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1 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 1:18:54pm

Elbow room, elbow room,
Gotta gotta get me some elbow room...

2 Creeping Eruption  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 1:19:21pm

Ahh . . a nice clear spot to sun myself.

3 NonNativeTexan  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 1:19:21pm

87 in Dallas, last week in July, Sweeettt!

4 Kragar  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 1:19:24pm

Dawn of War II, good game but too short, I'd give it a grade of B+

5 Sharmuta  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 1:19:46pm
6 LatinGent  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 1:20:31pm

Obfuscation is one of Zeros favorite tools. Like having a beer with someone instead of apologizing to him. Hey, its an open thread.

7 Targetpractice  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 1:21:19pm

re: #5 Sharmuta

Fed job approval rating lower than IRS: Gallup poll

ron paul!

Man, it's bad when you're less liked than the IRS.

8 [deleted]  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 1:21:48pm
9 Ben Hur  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 1:22:09pm

To doubt everything or to believe everything are two equally convenient solutions; both dispense with the necessity of reflection.
Henri Poincare

10 vxbush  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 1:22:10pm

re: #7 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Man, it's bad when you're less liked than the IRS.

Absolutely. The IRS has never been on my happy list.

11 albusteve  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 1:22:15pm

post racial...hope it stays that way

12 LatinGent  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 1:22:24pm

re: #8 buzzsawmonkey

If he can make Crowley his best Bud, it's a weiser move.

Of boy...

13 vxbush  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 1:22:29pm

re: #9 Ben Hur

To doubt everything or to believe everything are two equally convenient solutions; both dispense with the necessity of reflection.
Henri Poincare

Upding for quoting a famous mathematician.

14 SasquatchOnSteroids  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 1:22:47pm

We bicker, we ding, we link.

Blinkers is plotting while we're busy.

15 Servo Cicero  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 1:22:56pm

Watching Washington operate is like seeing a donkey show. It repulses you, yet you can't take your eyes off of Kinky Kelly and the Sexy Stud.

16 outsidephilly  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 1:22:57pm

re: #6 LatinGent

Obfuscation is one of Zeros favorite tools. Like having a beer with someone instead of apologizing to him. Hey, its an open thread.


Think reporters/cameras will there, also?

17 Sharmuta  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 1:23:05pm

re: #9 Ben Hur

To doubt everything or to believe everything are two equally convenient solutions; both dispense with the necessity of reflection.
Henri Poincare

That's pretty profound.

18 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 1:23:06pm

re: #11 albusteve

post racial...hope it stays that way

You can have my oreos when you pry them from my cold, dead, hands.

We will probably have already spilled the milk by wrestling over it.

19 LatinGent  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 1:23:11pm

re: #12 LatinGent

Of boy...

Yes, but it could open the flood Gates.

20 TheMatrix31  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 1:23:14pm

Wow...

My professor is discussing War in Iraq and he said;

"I was cynical at the time, but I really give credence to the thought now that regime change/spreading democracy was the reason for going in, especially seeing recent developments there."

I didn't know a college professor was capable of such rational thinking.

21 HelloDare  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 1:23:19pm

re: #5 Sharmuta

Fed job approval rating lower than IRS: Gallup poll

Wow, that's even worse than Obama!

The Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential Tracking Poll for Tuesday shows that 32% of the nation's voters now Strongly Approve of the way that Barack Obama is performing his role as President. Forty percent (40%) Strongly Disapprove giving Obama a Presidential Approval Index rating of -8
22 freedombilly  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 1:23:26pm

Heading for a tour of the Alamo in about five minutes. Love me some San Antonio.

23 Killgore Trout  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 1:23:36pm

re: #5 Sharmuta

Fed job approval rating lower than IRS: Gallup poll

ron paul!

That's odd. The Fed is certainly getting a lot of bad press but they're actually doing a very good job. I'm a little worried about their printing spree but maybe they can pull it off.

24 badger1970  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 1:23:52pm

re: #3 NonNativeTexan

Come a little more south on I-35, triple digits yet again. My parents (WI) are giving me hell for giving them hell last winter. I wouldn't mind a break from the heat.

25 Creeping Eruption  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 1:24:03pm

re: #20 TheMatrix31

Wow...

My professor is discussing War in Iraq and he said;

"I was cynical at the time, but I really give credence to the thought now that regime change/spreading democracy was the reason for going in, especially seeing recent developments there."

I didn't know a college professor was capable of such rational thinking.

What school?

26 Desert Dog  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 1:24:21pm

re: #8 buzzsawmonkey

If he can make Crowley his best Bud, it's a weiser move.

Hey, can it with the beer puns

27 Ben Hur  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 1:24:31pm

re: #13 vxbush

Upding for quoting a famous mathematician.

Downding for lifting it off a NY subway advertisement!

28 SasquatchOnSteroids  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 1:24:41pm

re: #22 freedombilly

Heading for a tour of the Alamo in about five minutes. Love me some San Antonio.

Nice.

29 Desert Dog  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 1:24:53pm

re: #22 freedombilly

Heading for a tour of the Alamo in about five minutes. Love me some San Antonio.

Look for PeeWee's bike in the basement, will ya?

30 badger1970  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 1:25:42pm

re: #22 freedombilly

Make sure you sit through the lecture, pretty profound.

31 TheMatrix31  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 1:25:46pm

re: #25 Creeping Eruption

What school?

UCLA. Shocking, huh?

32 freedombilly  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 1:25:50pm

re: #29 Desert Dog

Look for PeeWee's bike in the basement, will ya?

Will do!

33 albusteve  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 1:25:55pm

re: #29 Desert Dog

Look for PeeWee's bike in the basement, will ya?

PeeWee/Alamo?...good LORD!...don't come near me

34 vxbush  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 1:26:07pm

re: #27 Ben Hur

Downding for lifting it off a NY subway advertisement!

Oh. Yeah, you deserve that downding, then. But I won't change my vote. I still like it.

35 Desert Dog  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 1:26:11pm

Wow, I have to actually work now. Y'all have fun, y'hear? See later on if the little Mrs. lets me.

36 Creeping Eruption  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 1:26:25pm

re: #31 TheMatrix31

UCLA. Shocking, huh?

No shit. Hope your prof. has tenure or he/she may not last too long with those opinions.

37 Kosh's Shadow  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 1:26:31pm

re: #20 TheMatrix31

Wow...

My professor is discussing War in Iraq and he said;

"I was cynical at the time, but I really give credence to the thought now that regime change/spreading democracy was the reason for going in, especially seeing recent developments there."

I didn't know a college professor was capable of such rational thinking.

He'll never get tenure now.

38 Sharmuta  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 1:26:34pm

re: #23 Killgore Trout

That's odd. The Fed is certainly getting a lot of bad press but they're actually doing a very good job. I'm a little worried about their printing spree but maybe they can pull it off.

It's the mainstreaming of this "audit the Fed" nonsense. My guess is most paulbots couldn't tell you what the Fed does or why auditing it would help. It's deflection and demonizing- deflect from the real source of government fiscal irresponsibility (Congress) by demonizing something else (the Fed).

39 acwgusa  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 1:26:58pm

re: #20 TheMatrix31

Wow...

My professor is discussing War in Iraq and he said;

"I was cynical at the time, but I really give credence to the thought now that regime change/spreading democracy was the reason for going in, especially seeing recent developments there."

I didn't know a college professor was capable of such rational thinking.

Groupthink Rejecting Fired Professor in 3...2...1.

40 freedombilly  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 1:26:59pm

re: #30 badger1970

Make sure you sit through the lecture, pretty profound.

Will check it out. Saw the IMAX movie earlier about the Alamo which was pretty amazing stuff.

41 Neutral President  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 1:27:09pm

re: #23 Killgore Trout

That's odd. The Fed is certainly getting a lot of bad press but they're actually doing a very good job. I'm a little worried about their printing spree but maybe they can pull it off.

If they asked the people taking that poll if they knew exactly what the Fed does, it wouldn't surprise me if the percentage of people answering correctly was lower than their approval numbers.

42 Ben Hur  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 1:27:17pm

re: #34 vxbush

Oh. Yeah, you deserve that downding, then. But I won't change my vote. I still like it.

I couldn't bear the thought of people thinking I knew that from any intellectual endeavor.

That would be dishonest!

43 Servo Cicero  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 1:27:27pm

re: #29 Desert Dog

Look for PeeWee's bike in the basement, will ya?

Pee Wee: I wanna talk to Francis!
Butler: You can't, he's having his bath.
Pee Wee: Oh Really!?!? Where are they hosing him down!?!?!?

44 TheMatrix31  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 1:28:46pm

Hahaha...he's a pretty good professor, I have to say. Pretty fair. Especially for a native Russian teaching a Post-1945 US Foreign Policy class.

45 Neutral President  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 1:28:48pm

re: #43 Servo Cicero

"I don't make monkeys. I just train them."

46 albusteve  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 1:29:25pm

re: #40 freedombilly

Will check it out. Saw the IMAX movie earlier about the Alamo which was pretty amazing stuff.

the HBO movie was killer

47 Truck Monkey  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 1:30:43pm

re: #22 freedombilly

Heading for a tour of the Alamo in about five minutes. Love me some San Antonio.

Remember to not piss on the walls.
;-)

48 razorbacker  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 1:30:55pm

My daughter, the brat, just called to mention that she is in New Orleans and plans to pinch tails and suck heads tonight.

I told her that was alright, that when she was a child that I used to keep Oreos and ice cream in every cabinet that was too high for her to reach.

She said that was alright, that when I get too old and feeble to live on my own and had to move in with her that she intended to keep quality liquor and medical marijuana in a locked cabinet with unbreakable Plexiglas doors.

I'm calling a friend of mine down in Little Rock to see about buying one of those fancy battery powered lock picks.

I'll show her.

49 Kragar  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 1:31:08pm

re: #37 Kosh's Shadow

He'll never get tenure now.

Or he just got it

50 albusteve  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 1:31:20pm

re: #47 Truck Monkey

Remember to not piss on the walls.
;-)

wtf?...piss on the walls?

51 Sharmuta  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 1:31:25pm

re: #38 Sharmuta

It's the mainstreaming of this "audit the Fed" nonsense. My guess is most paulbots couldn't tell you what the Fed does or why auditing it would help. It's deflection and demonizing- deflect from the real source of government fiscal irresponsibility (Congress) by demonizing something else (the Fed).

P.S.- this demonizing/deflection tactic is very popular on a whole host of issues.

52 Truck Monkey  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 1:32:47pm

re: #50 albusteve

wtf?...piss on the walls?

Ozzy Osbourne.

53 Targetpractice  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 1:32:53pm

re: #44 TheMatrix31

Hahaha...he's a pretty good professor, I have to say. Pretty fair. Especially for a native Russian teaching a Post-1945 US Foreign Policy class.

"And then in 1973, the capitalist pig-dogs ran away from Vietnam, allowing the workers to finally win over the gangster government of South Vietnam and unite the entire country into a glorious paradise!"

/

54 sattv4u2  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 1:33:09pm

re: #48 razorbacker

My daughter, the brat, just called to mention that she is in New Orleans and plans to pinch tails and suck heads tonight.

I could be bad. I could be very VERY bad. But I'm all grown up now, so i'll refrain!!!

///

55 Pianobuff  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 1:33:11pm

re: #23 Killgore Trout

That's odd. The Fed is certainly getting a lot of bad press but they're actually doing a very good job. I'm a little worried about their printing spree but maybe they can pull it off.

I'm pretty disappointed in the Fed's performance for a number of years. What performance indicators lead you to your opinion that they are doing a very good job?

56 wahabicorridor  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 1:33:24pm

re: #31 TheMatrix31

UCLA. Shocking, huh?

My guess is that he already has tenure!

57 Sharmuta  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 1:33:36pm

re: #20 TheMatrix31

Wow...

My professor is discussing War in Iraq and he said;

"I was cynical at the time, but I really give credence to the thought now that regime change/spreading democracy was the reason for going in, especially seeing recent developments there."

I didn't know a college professor was capable of such rational thinking.

Really? All of my professors were rational people whether I agreed with them or not. Just because someone comes to a different conclusion than you doesn't necessarily mean they're irrational.

58 SasquatchOnSteroids  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 1:33:41pm

re: #52 Truck Monkey

Ozzy Osbourne.

In a dress.

59 sattv4u2  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 1:33:59pm

re: #51 Sharmuta

P.S.- this demonizing/deflection tactic is very popular on a whole host of issues.

It's been going on for decades

60 Ward Cleaver  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 1:34:26pm

re: #3 NonNativeTexan

87 in Dallas, last week in July, Sweeettt!

Yeah, but the humidity after yesterday's rain... Had about 1.5in. at my house.

61 Creeping Eruption  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 1:34:28pm

re: #50 albusteve

wtf?...piss on the walls?

I cannot believe you did not know that. He was banned from Texas for life.

62 razorbacker  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 1:34:33pm

re: #54 sattv4u2

My daughter, the brat, just called to mention that she is in New Orleans and plans to pinch tails and suck heads tonight.

I could be bad. I could be very VERY bad. But I'm all grown up now, so i'll refrain!!!

///

What? Don't you know how to make friends?

63 TheMatrix31  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 1:34:46pm

re: #53 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

"And then in 1973, the capitalist pig-dogs ran away from Vietnam, allowing the workers to finally win over the gangster government of South Vietnam and unite the entire country into a glorious paradise!"

/

LOL.

Now he's going over criticisms of the Bush Doctrine from Fukuyama, etc.

64 doppelganglander  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 1:35:12pm

re: #56 wahabicorridor

My guess is that he already has tenure!

But he sure won't have anyone want to sit with him in the faculty lunchroom.

65 albusteve  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 1:35:20pm

re: #58 SasquatchOnSteroids

In a dress.

wtf?...I have no clue...to me the Alamo is sacred ground and you don't fuck around with it...Ozzie Osbourne in a dress...well fuck that

66 Kragar  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 1:35:35pm

Hamas launches 'virtue campaign' in Gaza

The campaign was started despite previous promises not to impose an Islamic way of life on the strip's 1.5 million people.

Hamas have been patrolling the beach asking men to cover up bear chests and separating groups of single people congregating together.

The Religious Affairs Ministry is in charge of overseeing the campaign. Among its reported regulations is a request that men and women celebrate separately at wedding parties.

Abdullah Abu Jarbou, the deputy religious affairs minister, said: "We have to encourage people to be virtuous and keep them away from sin."

Officials say the campaign's guidelines are currently voluntary but Abu Jarbou, the deputy minister predicted that Islamic law would eventually be imposed.

67 SixDegrees  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 1:35:39pm

re: #5 Sharmuta

Fed job approval rating lower than IRS: Gallup poll

ron paul!

30% approval rating - bad, but close to twice as good as Congress, last time I checked.

68 albusteve  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 1:36:09pm

re: #58 SasquatchOnSteroids

In a dress.

I don't know anything about the guy...why would I?

69 cygnus  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 1:36:26pm

re: #1 EmmmieG

Elbow room, elbow room,
Gotta gotta get me some elbow room...

Lebensraum!

70 midwestgak  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 1:36:33pm

What a day, but now, calm. Two cats are on my right. One has mostly black fur with a white bib and underbelly and four white paws. The other, also sleeping, is kinda like a tiger cat but with fur so soft you would think it was angora.

Some moments are priceless.

71 SasquatchOnSteroids  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 1:36:46pm

re: #65 albusteve

wtf?...I have no clue...to me the Alamo is sacred ground and you don't fuck around with it...Ozzie Osbourne in a dress...well fuck that

February 1982, Ozzy visits the Alamo, a national shrine in Texas. Drunk in his hotel room he decides to dress up as a woman and go outside to snap some pictures. During film reloading, Ozz felt the need to relieve himself. He walks over to this half knocked down wall and starts taking a leak. That piece of wall turned out to be part of the Alamo building. Ozzy was thrown in jail and banned from ever playing in San Antonio, Texas again. (a ban which was lifted in 1992)

72 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 1:37:01pm

Open thread, is that racist?

73 Truck Monkey  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 1:37:13pm

re: #65 albusteve

wtf?...I have no clue...to me the Alamo is sacred ground and you don't fuck around with it...Ozzie Osbourne in a dress...well fuck that

He actually might have been under the influence of something at the time.

74 Creeping Eruption  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 1:37:19pm

re: #65 albusteve

wtf?...I have no clue...to me the Alamo is sacred ground and you don't fuck around with it...Ozzie Osbourne in a dress...well fuck that

In February of 1982, Ozzy was arrested in downtown San Antonio after urinating on a piece of the historical landmark The Alamo, in a green dress no less.

An effort to keep Ozzy from getting too drunk before his show in the afternoon resulted in Sharon Osbourne hiding Ozzy's clothes to keep him from leaving their hotel. The determination of the rocker was such that he donned a dress and high heels belonging to Sharon in order to make his public presence legal.

A decade later, and after a charitable donation to the Daughters of the Republic of Texas, Osbourne's ban was lifted and he returned to San Antonio for his 1992 Farewell Tour.

75 albusteve  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 1:38:09pm

re: #71 SasquatchOnSteroids

I would have beat that clown senseless...he'd still be in a coma

76 Kragar  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 1:38:30pm

re: #72 Walter L. Newton

Open thread, is that racist?

We'll have to look at the underlying thought behind it first

77 Russkilitlover  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 1:38:46pm

re: #70 midwestgak

What a day, but now, calm. Two cats are on my right. One has mostly black fur with a white bib and underbelly and four white paws. The other, also sleeping, is kinda like a tiger cat but with fur so soft you would think it was angora.

Some moments are priceless.

I have a puppy napping on my feet. It's 83 degrees and he needs to cuddle. And I just drank the last of my iced tea. Priceless moments can be expensive!

78 Cygnus  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 1:39:00pm

re: #24 badger1970

Come a little more south on I-35, triple digits yet again. My parents (WI) are giving me hell for giving them hell last winter. I wouldn't mind a break from the heat.

It's going to be in the upper 90s in Everett WA tomorrow. Good grief, we just ain't used to that around here.

79 SasquatchOnSteroids  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 1:39:03pm

re: #75 albusteve

I would have beat that clown senseless...he'd still be in a coma

He came out of it ?

When did this happen !?

80 DEZes  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 1:39:07pm
81 sattv4u2  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 1:39:15pm

re: #72 Walter L. Newton

Open thread, is that racist?

A closed one could be,,, depending on who it was closed too

82 Creeping Eruption  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 1:39:16pm

re: #75 albusteve

I would have beat that clown senseless...he'd still be in a coma

And you think that would have had any discernible effect?/

83 Killgore Trout  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 1:39:29pm

re: #41 ArchangelMichael

If they asked the people taking that poll if they knew exactly what the Fed does, it wouldn't surprise me if the percentage of people answering correctly was lower than their approval numbers.

I think that's a big part of the problem.

84 Ward Cleaver  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 1:39:52pm

re: #61 Creeping Eruption

I cannot believe you did not know that. He was banned from Texas for life.

Those old ladies from the DRT don't put up with that.

85 Creeping Eruption  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 1:40:38pm

re: #84 Ward Cleaver

Those old ladies from the DRT don't put up with that.

Unless you give them a contribution, of course.

86 wrenchwench  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 1:40:48pm

re: #78 Cygnus

It's going to be in the upper 90s in Everett WA tomorrow. Good grief, we just ain't used to that around here.

Count your blessings. I left Everett in 1995 because in July, 1993 it never got over 69 degrees.

/I had a lot of stuff to pack.

//

87 Sharmuta  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 1:40:51pm

re: #41 ArchangelMichael

If they asked the people taking that poll if they knew exactly what the Fed does, it wouldn't surprise me if the percentage of people answering correctly was lower than their approval numbers.

ron paul told them it was bad and they believed it. See #9.

88 SasquatchOnSteroids  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 1:40:56pm

re: #80 DEZes

A Floral Aurora Corona

Sweet.

whooaaa. That made me DEZzy for a sec.

89 Ojoe  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 1:42:04pm

Mr. President, where can I get a job?

—Firesign Theater

90 Kragar  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 1:42:10pm

Muslim NHS dentist 'tried to force patients to wear traditional Islamic dress'

Omer Butt, 32, whose brother Hassan used to be spokesman for the banned radical Muslim group Al Muhajiroun, ordered female patients to wear headscarves and forced men to take off gold jewellery before allowing them into the dentists' chair.

He even kept a box full of hijabs at his practice so he could lend them to women before checking their teeth.

91 DEZes  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 1:42:24pm

re: #88 SasquatchOnSteroids

whooaaa. That made me DEZzy for a sec.

Dont get Sassy. ;)

92 albusteve  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 1:42:33pm

re: #79 SasquatchOnSteroids

He came out of it ?

When did this happen !?

I love Texas..resistance is in my blood...America is what it is today because people fought back...Crockett rules in my world

93 albusteve  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 1:43:38pm

re: #84 Ward Cleaver

Those old ladies from the DRT don't put up with that.

I would have shook him down for a few million...after he woke up

94 SasquatchOnSteroids  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 1:44:19pm

re: #91 DEZes

Dont get Sassy. ;)

Nice. I didn't even see it coming.

95 Truck Monkey  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 1:44:25pm

re: #92 albusteve

I love Texas..resistance is in my blood...America is what it is today because people fought back...Crockett rules in my world

Tubbs wasn't bad either.

96 Kragar  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 1:44:29pm

re: #92 albusteve

Crockett rules in my world

What about Tubbs?

97 Cygnus  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 1:44:38pm

re: #66 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)


Hamas have been patrolling the beach asking men to cover up bear chests...

Good idea. Some of them are quite hairy. Ick. :)

98 aggieann  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 1:44:39pm

re: #72 Walter L. Newton

Open thread, is that racist?

Not unless Charles is threadjudiced.

99 Kosh's Shadow  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 1:44:41pm

re: #89 Ojoe

Mr. President, where can I get a job?

—Firesign Theater

Many people ask about the job displacement market program, here in the city of the future.
Well, if we're lucky, we won't have to answer questions like that any more.
---Firesign Theatre

100 Kragar  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 1:44:46pm

re: #95 Truck Monkey

Tubbs wasn't bad either.

GMTA

101 Russkilitlover  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 1:44:59pm

re: #90 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Muslim NHS dentist 'tried to force patients to wear traditional Islamic dress'

Heh. H-ass-an Butt?

102 Truck Monkey  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 1:45:11pm

re: #96 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

What about Tubbs?

Beat you by (thumb to forefinger) that much.

103 Creeping Eruption  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 1:45:17pm

re: #90 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Muslim NHS dentist 'tried to force patients to wear traditional Islamic dress'

No doubt he will be lauded for helping break down cultural barriers in helping spread islamic traditions. ///(Need I?)

104 badger1970  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 1:45:48pm

re: #95 Truck Monkey

Sacrilege. / ;)

105 Ojoe  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 1:45:49pm

re: #99 Kosh's Shadow

Quite predictive, those guys were.

106 albusteve  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 1:46:24pm

re: #83 Killgore Trout

I think that's a big part of the problem.

people don't even know their senators and reps...voters are some of the least informed citizens in the country...AmIdol politics

107 Kragar  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 1:46:30pm

re: #101 Russkilitlover

Heh. H-ass-an Butt?

They come from a long line of Butts.

108 sattv4u2  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 1:46:45pm

re: #87 Sharmuta

ron paul told them it was bad and they believed it. See #9.

For someone that won 0 states in the primaries, came in second in 10 and third in 17 out of what essentially was a 4 man race, with a grand total of 35 delegates (1.6%) you give him way too much "credit", imho

109 Creeping Eruption  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 1:47:31pm

re: #107 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

They come from a long line of Butts.

Talk about mud flaps, my dentists' got em'?

110 TheMatrix31  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 1:47:31pm

Talking about European "distaste" for cowboy style diplomacy and unilateralism.

...maybe my prof doesn't know how in-bed countries like France, Germany, and Russia were with Iraq and the UN?

111 Digital Display  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 1:47:55pm

Great article about Lance Armstrong and his courage..
[Link: online.wsj.com...]

112 albusteve  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 1:48:21pm

re: #96 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

What about Tubbs?

there's country and there's western

113 Sharmuta  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 1:48:24pm

re: #108 sattv4u2

For someone that won 0 states in the primaries, came in second in 10 and third in 17 out of what essentially was a 4 man race, with a grand total of 35 delegates (1.6%) you give him way too much "credit", imho

That must be why he has so many co-sponsors on his audit the Fed legislation- he has no cred. Or- it could be he's managed to mainstream this notion.

114 [deleted]  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 1:48:29pm
115 SasquatchOnSteroids  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 1:48:39pm

re: #109 Creeping Eruption

Talk about mud flaps, my dentists' got em'?

Spinal Tap references are automatic points.
Ding.

116 Kenneth  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 1:49:30pm

"What the Thunder Said: Reflections of a Canadian Officer in Kandahar."

The battlefield of the logistics soldier lies so heavily entrenched in the realm of the mind - the psychological plane. Unlike our brothers in the combat arms we rarely go on the offensive. There is no cathartic release for the logistician that an attack can permit the infantryman. The logistic soldier in Kandahar rides with passive optimism that he or she will come up swinging after the attack. But whether you live or die, whether you get to come up fighting, depends not on your physical fitness, your intellect, or you prowess with the rifle. Instead, your survival hangs on such random factors as vehicle armour, proximity to the blast, and pure luck. Providence. That is hard to accept. The first move in a convoy fight belongs to the enemy and that is terrifically unsettling. Soon every Toyota that strays too close to your truck resembles a bomb, every colourful kite is a semaphore signal, and every smile from an Afghan pedestrian betrays a sinister secret. Ground convoys extract a continuous toll on the psychological reserves of a logistics unit.

An interesting look at an often overlooked component of the military.

117 vxbush  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 1:49:38pm

re: #115 SasquatchOnSteroids

Spinal Tap references are automatic points.
Ding.

A movie I have never seen. And I'm not sure that I would enjoy it, to be honest.

118 capitalist piglet  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 1:50:15pm

re: #112 albusteve

there's country and there's western

And there's Buddy Rich's last words, while being wheeled into surgery:

Attendant: "Mr. Rich, are you allergic to anything?"

Buddy Rich: "Yeah. Country and western."

119 [deleted]  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 1:50:21pm
120 sattv4u2  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 1:50:31pm

re: #113 Sharmuta

That must be why he has so many co-sponsors on his audit the Fed legislation- he has no cred. Or- it could be he's managed to mainstream this notion.

OR ,,,maybe like a stopped watch, he could be correct once or twice!

Don;'t get me wrong, I am the farthest person from ma Paulian you'll find. But just because he gets his name atached to something doesn;t mean that "something" is automatically a bad idea

121 Truck Monkey  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 1:50:53pm

re: #115 SasquatchOnSteroids

Spinal Tap references are automatic points.
Ding.

I was just singing 'Stonehenge' about 2 hours ago. I don't know why either.

122 vxbush  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 1:50:56pm

re: #119 buzzsawmonkey

If you don't try new things, you miss some of life's greatest disappointments.

Another quote seen in the subway? :D

123 [deleted]  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 1:51:16pm
124 capitalist piglet  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 1:51:55pm

re: #117 vxbush

A movie I have never seen. And I'm not sure that I would enjoy it, to be honest.

I love it, but I can't imagine why anyone who isn't a musician would get it at all. But many do.

125 [deleted]  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 1:51:57pm
126 Kosh's Shadow  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 1:52:15pm

re: #114 buzzsawmonkey

Many people have asked me about the job displacement situation. Hopefully, in the city of the future we will not be bothered by questions like yours ever again.

Wow, I posted before buzzsawmonkey!
re: #99 Kosh's Shadow

Many people ask about the job displacement market program, here in the city of the future.
Well, if we're lucky, we won't have to answer questions like that any more.
---Firesign Theatre

127 Sharmuta  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 1:52:17pm

re: #110 TheMatrix31

Talking about European "distaste" for cowboy style diplomacy and unilateralism.

...maybe my prof doesn't know how in-bed countries like France, Germany, and Russia were with Iraq and the UN?

European political thinking is vastly different than it's American counterpart. Thomas Sowell's A Conflict of Visions is the book to read if you want to better understand the differences not just between euro-thinking and American thinking, but to understand the foundational reasons why the thinking is such a departure of one from the other.

128 albusteve  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 1:52:39pm

re: #111 HoosierHoops

Great article about Lance Armstrong and his courage..
[Link: online.wsj.com...]

courage is triumph over fear...what was he afraid of?...failure?...highly competitive would better describe it

129 vxbush  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 1:52:41pm

re: #124 capitalist piglet

I love it, but I can't imagine why anyone who isn't a musician would get it at all. But many do.

A similar theory to my thoughts on "Galaxy Quest." If you're not a sci fi nut and Trekkie, you won't get half the humor.

130 Pianobuff  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 1:52:56pm

re: #120 sattv4u2

OR ,,,maybe like a stopped watch, he could be correct once or twice!

Don;'t get me wrong, I am the farthest person from ma Paulian you'll find. But just because he gets his name atached to something doesn;t mean that "something" is automatically a bad idea

I'm still trying to figure out if folks here think the Fed's decisions over the last 5-10 years have been good ones.

All I hear is "Ron Paul".

131 KingKenrod  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 1:53:11pm

Sen. Jim DeMint pushes back against birther nonsense:

"I may have disagreements with [the president] on issues," DeMint told the Huffington Post. "But he is my president, he deserves our respect, and we need forget that nonsense ...

"He is not only a citizen," he added, "he is our president."

[Link: www.huffingtonpost.com...]

132 Kragar  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 1:53:14pm

re: #117 vxbush

A movie I have never seen. And I'm not sure that I would enjoy it, to be honest.

But IMDB gives it an 11!

/

133 albusteve  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 1:53:30pm

re: #119 buzzsawmonkey

If you don't try new things, you miss some of life's greatest disappointments.

good one...so true

134 Sharmuta  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 1:54:02pm

re: #130 Pianobuff

I'm still trying to figure out if folks here think the Fed's decisions over the last 5-10 years have been good ones.

All I hear is "Ron Paul".

I think the issue isn't the Fed so much as Congress. They're the ones who spend the money. Audit Congress.

135 doppelganglander  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 1:54:03pm

re: #124 capitalist piglet

I love it, but I can't imagine why anyone who isn't a musician would get it at all. But many do.

Anyone who listened to rock music in the 60s and 70s should get it. I think it's hilarious.

136 capitalist piglet  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 1:54:04pm

re: #129 vxbush

A similar theory to my thoughts on "Galaxy Quest." If you're not a sci fi nut and Trekkie, you won't get half the humor.

I love that one too! "Miners, not minors!"

137 sattv4u2  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 1:54:19pm

re: #130 Pianobuff

one upding in your bank

138 DEZes  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 1:54:55pm

re: #119 buzzsawmonkey

If you don't try new things, you miss some of life's greatest disappointments.

Rotating title nominee.

139 KingKenrod  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 1:54:58pm

re: #121 Truck Monkey

I was just singing 'Stonehenge' about 2 hours ago. I don't know why either.

Maybe subliminal marketing. Spinal Tap is being released on Blu-ray today.

140 sattv4u2  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 1:55:18pm

re: #134 Sharmuta

I think the issue isn't the Fed so much as Congress. They're the ones who spend the money. Audit Congress.

But whats the downside of audting the Fed/ (and please, spare me the 'waste of time and money',,, all congress HAS is time and money!)

141 albusteve  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 1:55:23pm

re: #134 Sharmuta

I think the issue isn't the Fed so much as Congress. They're the ones who spend the money. Audit Congress.

every week while they are in session...hover over them, take notes, broadcast it on TV

142 Kosh's Shadow  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 1:55:24pm

re: #129 vxbush

A similar theory to my thoughts on "Galaxy Quest." If you're not a sci fi nut and Trekkie, you won't get half the humor.

A friend of mine commented on the scene near the beginning when someone is in the men's room with a bunch of fans dressed as aliens:
"Taking a leak with a bunch of Klingons? I've been there!"
(I've never been to a Star Trek convention, but went to several science fiction conventions, and even ran some in college, and ran the trips to Boskone of our college's SF society.)

143 Creeping Eruption  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 1:55:29pm

re: #121 Truck Monkey

I was just singing 'Stonehenge' about 2 hours ago. I don't know why either.

I pass by the real Shank Hall everyday.

144 sattv4u2  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 1:55:49pm

re: #141 albusteve

every week while they are in session...hover over them, take notes, broadcast it on TV

ummm,,CSPAN ,,,CSPAN 2

145 vxbush  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 1:56:09pm

re: #136 capitalist piglet

I love that one too! "Miners, not minors!"

And Alan Rickman, wearing the skullcap at his house...priceless.

146 [deleted]  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 1:56:31pm
147 Russkilitlover  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 1:56:34pm

re: #136 capitalist piglet

I love that one too! "Miners, not minors!"

"Don't just open that door! Is there air out there? You don't know!"

That movie makes me laugh every time I see it.

148 Kosh's Shadow  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 1:56:57pm

re: #145 vxbush

And Alan Rickman, wearing the skullcap at his house...priceless.

By Grabthar's Hammer! I shall be avenged!

149 Kragar  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 1:57:02pm

re: #129 vxbush

A similar theory to my thoughts on "Galaxy Quest." If you're not a sci fi nut and Trekkie, you won't get half the humor.

Lots of good performances there. I thought Sam Rockwell was great in it.

"I'm not even supposed to be here. I'm just "Crewman Number Six." I'm expendable. I'm the guy in the episode who dies to prove how serious the situation is. I've gotta get outta here."

150 Cygnus  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 1:57:18pm

re: #2 Creeping Eruption

Ahh . . a nice clear spot to sun myself.

A sunspot!

151 albusteve  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 1:57:48pm

re: #144 sattv4u2

ummm,,CSPAN ,,,CSPAN 2

I'm thinking more like Monday Night Congress

152 Neutral President  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 1:58:13pm

re: #108 sattv4u2

For someone that won 0 states in the primaries, came in second in 10 and third in 17 out of what essentially was a 4 man race, with a grand total of 35 delegates (1.6%) you give him way too much "credit", imho

And back then he was basically booed and almost yanked off of the stage with a big hook at the GOP primary debates and would have been yelled or laughed off of Sean Vanity's or any other FOX show. Now hes featured on FOX, along with other like minded kooks. Bill Maher was praising him back then too. I can almost guarantee that RP wouldn't get the fellatio treatment on that show now.

What happened back then, and what is happening now don't necessarily have anything to do with each other. Because he was the fringe wacko that got less than 1% of the vote is no reason to ignore him since he's made a full court press amongst the uninformed to get his ideas out.

153 Creeping Eruption  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 1:58:14pm

re: #151 albusteve

I'm thinking more like Monday Night Congress

I'd watch as long as it was fill contact.

154 DEZes  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 1:58:25pm

re: #148 Kosh's Shadow

By Grabthar's Hammer! I shall be avenged!

I didnt know anyone could get that loaded.

155 Creeping Eruption  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 1:58:29pm

re: #153 Creeping Eruption

I'd watch as long as it was fill full contact.

156 callahan23  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 1:58:36pm

re: #149 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Lots of good performances there. I thought Sam Rockwell was great in it.

"I'm not even supposed to be here. I'm just "Crewman Number Six." I'm expendable. I'm the guy in the episode who dies to prove how serious the situation is. I've gotta get outta here."

The proverbial red-shirt.

157 vxbush  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 1:58:47pm

re: #149 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Lots of good performances there. I thought Sam Rockwell was great in it.

"I'm not even supposed to be here. I'm just "Crewman Number Six." I'm expendable. I'm the guy in the episode who dies to prove how serious the situation is. I've gotta get outta here."

Look. It's stupid, but it's my job, and I'm going to do it, okay?"
/Sigourney Weaver

158 Russkilitlover  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 1:58:48pm

re: #148 Kosh's Shadow

By Grabthar's Hammer! I shall be avenged!

"Hey! Where's my limo?"

159 albusteve  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 1:59:14pm

re: #153 Creeping Eruption

I'd watch as long as it was fill contact.

we're getting somewhere now...

160 sattv4u2  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 1:59:17pm

re: #151 albusteve

I'm thinking more like Monday Night Congress

I'd put Vince McMahon in charge!

161 midwestgak  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 1:59:19pm

re: #129 vxbush

A similar theory to my thoughts on "Galaxy Quest." If you're not a sci fi nut and Trekkie, you won't get half the humor.


Galaxy Quest Cast

Tim Allen was great and who knew who Tony Shalhoub (Monk) was in 1999?

Tony Shalhoub was also on the sitcom Wings.

162 Dianna  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 1:59:35pm

re: #63 TheMatrix31

LOL.

Now he's going over criticisms of the Bush Doctrine from Fukuyama, etc.

As he should - while I don't agree with Fukuyama (and didn't from the time I read The End of History), he had a coherent argument.

163 capitalist piglet  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 1:59:58pm

re: #157 vxbush

Look. It's stupid, but it's my job, and I'm going to do it, okay?"
/Sigourney Weaver

"What is its motivation?"

I tried that one on Walter one night, but he hadn't seen the movie. It fell, ummm...flat. : )

164 badger1970  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 1:59:58pm

re: #155 Creeping Eruption

I believe that only comes on the South Korean feed.

165 Kragar  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 2:00:48pm

Those aren't historical documents. Surely you dont think Gilligan's Island is...

Oh, those poor people.

166 callahan23  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 2:00:49pm

re: #150 Cygnus

A sunspot!

A sunspot! A sunspot! Where? Where? Where? None to be seen.

167 Dianna  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 2:00:51pm

re: #117 vxbush

A movie I have never seen. And I'm not sure that I would enjoy it, to be honest.

Look up the Stonehenge scene. I'm sure it's on YouTube.

I almost fell out of a theater seat laughing at that scene.

168 Truck Monkey  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 2:00:53pm

re: #149 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Lots of good performances there. I thought Sam Rockwell was great in it.

"I'm not even supposed to be here. I'm just "Crewman Number Six." I'm expendable. I'm the guy in the episode who dies to prove how serious the situation is. I've gotta get outta here."

I have no idea what you guys are talking about but is sounds pretty damn funny!

169 vxbush  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 2:01:03pm

re: #163 capitalist piglet

"What is its motivation?"

I tried that one on Walter one night, but he hadn't seen the movie. It fell, ummm...flat. : )

Oh, man, that whole scene on "motivation" just had me rolling on the floor, it was so funny. I've worked summer theatre and we had discussions just like that...

170 Pianobuff  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 2:01:21pm

re: #134 Sharmuta

I think the issue isn't the Fed so much as Congress. They're the ones who spend the money. Audit Congress.

That would be fine with me, too. Whether a formal audit is in order for the Fed or not, they seem to be immune to much criticism because nobody wants to agree with Ron Paul about anything.

I do think there sometimes an under-appreciation of Fed policy on the overall health of the economy. Either through direct actions or "tipping" statements.

For instance, I don't think it was helpful (in fact it was harmful) to cut interest rates back to 1% in 2003 at the same time Greenspan was winking at ARM loans.

Of course, if you ask Greenspan now, it's the fault of foreign countries that the sub-prime bubble came to be and Fed policy had nothing to do with it. I don't believe that Fed wasn't a big contributor.

Monetary policy is a dry and sometimes arcane topic, yet it is very impactful.

Yeah, I know. Ron Paul.

171 Creeping Eruption  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 2:01:23pm

re: #164 badger1970

I believe that only comes on the South Korean feed.

One can always wish. Don't you think though, that we would get our youth into civics more, if politics was a full contact sport like in S. Kore.? They have some real bench clearing brawls. Its great.

172 albusteve  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 2:01:36pm

re: #160 sattv4u2

I'd put Vince McMahon in charge!

getting closer

173 Targetpractice  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 2:01:45pm

"There is no 'quantum flux'. There's no 'auxiliary.' THERE'S NO GODDAMNED SHIP. You got it?"

174 reloadingisnotahobby  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 2:01:47pm

Finally an open thread and then the boss says
"Let's not blow this thing up out of proportion"!!
Damn! I was already to blow "something" up!!
///
Hope everyones is staying cool calm and collected!

175 Cygnus  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 2:01:55pm

re: #166 callahan23

A sunspot! A sunspot! Where? Where? Where? None to be seen.

Very true. My Thousand Oaks solar filter is getting dusty, with nothing to look at.

176 SasquatchOnSteroids  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 2:02:26pm

Days done. Gonna go smack some golf balls around for a bit.
Maybe see ya's tonite.
Out.

177 Truck Monkey  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 2:02:28pm

re: #165 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Those aren't historical documents. Surely you dont think Gilligan's Island is...

Oh, those poor people.

Don't try and tell me that Gilligans Island wasn't real...

/

178 vxbush  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 2:02:40pm

re: #173 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

"There is no 'quantum flux'. There's no 'auxiliary.' THERE'S NO GODDAMNED SHIP. You got it?"

"Oh, I need to get me one of these."

"Did you see that door stick? I'll have some of my guys work on it."

"Oh, that's not right."

179 Creeping Eruption  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 2:02:54pm

re: #167 Dianna

Look up the Stonehenge scene. I'm sure it's on YouTube.

I almost fell out of a theater seat laughing at that scene.

If you go see a show at the real Shank Hall ("seats" about 150 people tops), they have a Spinal Tap size Stonehenge on stage - at least they used to.

180 Kosh's Shadow  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 2:03:16pm

re: #168 Truck Monkey

I have no idea what you guys are talking about but is sounds pretty damn funny!

Galaxy Quest
And it is VERY funny.

181 badger1970  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 2:03:28pm

re: #171 Creeping Eruption

It sure would eliminate 98-pound weaklings from the NE. The corn-fed boys from the Midwest would clean house.

182 DEZes  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 2:04:12pm

re: #178 vxbush

"Oh, I need to get me one of these."

"Did you see that door stick? I'll have some of my guys work on it."

"Oh, that's not right."

The "Oh thats not right scene" was classic.

183 Kragar  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 2:04:12pm

Guy Fleegman: I changed my mind. I wanna go back.
Sir Alexander Dane: After the fuss you made about getting left behind?
Guy Fleegman: Yeah, but that's when I thought I was the crewman that stays on the ship, and something is up there, and it kills me. But now I'm thinking I'm the guy who gets killed by some monster five minutes after we land on the planet.
Jason Nesmith: You're not gonna die on the planet, Guy.
Guy Fleegman: I'm not? Then what's my last name?
Jason Nesmith: It's, uh, uh - -I don't know.
Guy Fleegman: Nobody knows. Do you know why? Because my character isn't important enough for a last name, because I'm gonna die five minutes in.
Gwen DeMarco: Guy, you have a last name.
Guy Fleegman: DO I? DO I? For all you know, I'm "Crewman Number Six"! Mommy... mommy...

184 Creeping Eruption  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 2:04:27pm

re: #181 badger1970

It sure would eliminate 98-pound weaklings from the NE. The corn-fed boys from the Midwest would clean house.

Spoken like a true Badger. Wish I could find my "Fuck em' Bucky" shirt. Sigh . . .

185 TheMatrix31  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 2:04:54pm

re: #127 Sharmuta

European political thinking is vastly different than it's American counterpart. Thomas Sowell's A Conflict of Visions is the book to read if you want to better understand the differences not just between euro-thinking and American thinking, but to understand the foundational reasons why the thinking is such a departure of one from the other.

One of the books I'm assigned to read (don't know if I'll make it) for my Final Thursday is Uberpower by Joffe. Have you heard of it?

186 Targetpractice  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 2:05:25pm

re: #171 Creeping Eruption

One can always wish. Don't you think though, that we would get our youth into civics more, if politics was a full contact sport like in S. Kore.? They have some real bench clearing brawls. Its great.

I'd pay to watch that.

187 kansas  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 2:05:35pm

Here's what's going on at the hospital where my brother works.
He is 54 has a nice big retirement plan and with the chance of Obamacare decided to job share with another guy to keep his income under 200K.

188 Ben Hur  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 2:05:47pm

Let's get outta here before one of those things kills Guy!

(my favorite line)

189 vxbush  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 2:05:50pm

Why are those choppy things here? There's no logical reason for it! THIS SCENE WAS BADLY WRITTEN!

190 Creeping Eruption  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 2:05:50pm

re: #186 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

I'd pay to watch that.

Pay per view.

191 Targetpractice  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 2:06:22pm

"Whoever wrote this episode should die! "

192 Dianna  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 2:06:23pm

re: #152 ArchangelMichael

So did Ross Perot.

And please don't tell me he wasn't a nut. He may not have been some years before, but by the time he ran for president (twice), he definitely was.

193 Truck Monkey  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 2:07:43pm

re: #192 Dianna

So did Ross Perot.

And please don't tell me he wasn't a nut. He may not have been some years before, but by the time he ran for president (twice), he definitely was.

He gave us 8 years of Bubba, and for that we should be thankful.
/snark

194 Russkilitlover  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 2:08:16pm

re: #170 Pianobuff


For instance, I don't think it was helpful (in fact it was harmful) to cut interest rates back to 1% in 2003 at the same time Greenspan was winking at ARM loans.

And then raising them as soon as housing started to fumble. Greenspan's and now Bernanke's Fed policies, have too much direct influence on the economy. It wasn't just the ARM loans, Fed should have raised flags instantly at the rampant mortgage backed securities nonsense.

Nope, not a Paulian myself - could not even articulate any of his positions other than "audit the Fed," which I hear on LGF from time to time.

195 Kosh's Shadow  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 2:08:19pm

re: #192 Dianna

So did Ross Perot.

And please don't tell me he wasn't a nut. He may not have been some years before, but by the time he ran for president (twice), he definitely was.

He was a Ferengi.
When he was running, there were bumper stickers that said "Picard/Ryker". Obviously they came back in time to stop him from becoming President.
///

196 Ward Cleaver  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 2:08:39pm

Well dang. PCMag's Top 100 Web sites for 2009 is out, and LGF didn't make the list.

197 Kragar  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 2:08:40pm

Tommy Webber: Go for the eyes, like in episode 22!
Jason Nesmith: He doesn't have any eyes, Tommy!
Tommy Webber: Go for the mouth, then, the throat, his vulnerable spots!
Jason Nesmith: It's a rock! It doesn't have any vulnerable spots!
Guy Fleegman: I know! You construct a weapon. Look around, can you form some sort of rudimentary lathe?

198 Targetpractice  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 2:08:42pm

re: #193 Truck Monkey

He gave us 8 years of Bubba, and for that we should be thankful.
/snark

Yeah, I'll be sure to "thank" him if I ever get within swinging distance.

199 sattv4u2  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 2:08:46pm

re: #185 TheMatrix31

One of the books I'm assigned to read (don't know if I'll make it) for my Final Thursday is Uberpower by Joffe. Have you heard of it?

It's a good read. Puts the onus on Europe (and the rest of the world) for not keeping up with the USA as their reason(s) for disliking us, instead of blaming the USA for being too militarily and economically powerful

200 Neutral President  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 2:09:02pm

re: #192 Dianna

So did Ross Perot.

And please don't tell me he wasn't a nut. He may not have been some years before, but by the time he ran for president (twice), he definitely was.

For one to claim that Ross Perot was not a nut, would be illogical.

201 vxbush  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 2:09:09pm

Dane: I played Richard III.
Kwan: Five curtain calls...
Dane: There were five curtain calls. I was an actor once, damn it. Now look at me. Look at me! I won't go out there and say that stupid line one more time.

202 reloadingisnotahobby  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 2:09:30pm

re: #196 Ward Cleaver

It's my fault!
Ask my wife!

203 Fenway_Nation  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 2:10:01pm

re: #193 Truck Monkey

re: #192 Dianna


He gave us 8 years of Bubba, and for that we should be thankful.
/snark

Never mind W- after just 6 months of 0bama, I'm nostalgic for Bubba.

204 Kragar  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 2:10:09pm

re: #201 vxbush

Dane: I played Richard III.
Kwan: Five curtain calls...
Dane: There were five curtain calls. I was an actor once, damn it. Now look at me. Look at me! I won't go out there and say that stupid line one more time.

By Grapthar's hammer... what a saving.

205 code red 21  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 2:10:18pm

re: #167 Dianna

Look up the Stonehenge scene. I'm sure it's on YouTube.

I almost fell out of a theater seat laughing at that scene.

That has to be one of the funniest scenes ever in a movie.

206 callahan23  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 2:10:27pm

re: #197 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Tommy Webber: Go for the eyes, like in episode 22!
Jason Nesmith: He doesn't have any eyes, Tommy!
Tommy Webber: Go for the mouth, then, the throat, his vulnerable spots!
Jason Nesmith: It's a rock! It doesn't have any vulnerable spots!
Guy Fleegman: I know! You construct a weapon. Look around, can you form some sort of rudimentary lathe?

ROTFLOL a friggin "rudimentary lathe"!!!

207 TheMatrix31  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 2:10:29pm

re: #199 sattv4u2

It's a good read. Puts the onus on Europe (and the rest of the world) for not keeping up with the USA as their reason(s) for disliking us, instead of blaming the USA for being too militarily and economically powerful

That's good. I'm going to have to skim it over just in case its asked on Thursday.

208 vxbush  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 2:10:36pm

Have we run the Galaxy Quest thing into the ground? I still like this:

I remember that sound. That's a bad sound!

209 doppelganglander  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 2:10:45pm

re: #195 Kosh's Shadow

He was a Ferengi.
When he was running, there were bumper stickers that said "Picard/Ryker". Obviously they came back in time to stop him from becoming President.
///

That's ridiculous. Everyone knows Picard was born in France and is ineligible to serve.

210 Targetpractice  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 2:11:11pm

re: #208 vxbush

Have we run the Galaxy Quest thing into the ground?

Surely you can't be serious.

211 Dianna  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 2:11:19pm

re: #185 TheMatrix31

One of the books I'm assigned to read (don't know if I'll make it) for my Final Thursday is Uberpower by Joffe. Have you heard of it?

Oh, you have my sympathies.

Let me know when you begin bashing the book against the back of your head. That's when it becomes dangerous.

212 doppelganglander  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 2:12:02pm

re: #210 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Surely you can't be serious.

I am, and stop calling me Shirley.

213 Truck Monkey  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 2:12:05pm

re: #203 Fenway_Nation

Never mind W- after just 6 months of 0bama, I'm nostalgic for Bubba.

Hell... I'm nostalgic for Jimmah!

214 Neutral President  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 2:12:50pm

re: #192 Dianna

I would say, however, that Ross Perot had magical mainstream acceptance before the 92 election, and then went back to obscurity after. In RP's case, the opposite happened. Everyone knew he was a kook on 2008, in 2009 now he's a so-called conservative rock star.

That said, RP himself is not really the problem, it's his ideas... they are being embraced by a lot of people who should know better, and some of them might be Crossing-the-streams bad news for the GOP in 2012. I really don't expect RP to be a candidate in 2012, but I do expect Paulian Kookservatism to be on the ballot.

215 Charles Johnson  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 2:12:51pm
216 Truck Monkey  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 2:13:19pm

re: #210 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Surely you can't be serious.

Yes I'm serious... and stop calling me Shirley.
/can we talk about Naked Gun for awhile?

217 kansas  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 2:13:20pm

re: #213 Truck Monkey

Hell... I'm nostalgic for Jimmah!

Nixon is looking good. And he's dead.

218 Kragar  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 2:13:25pm

re: #208 vxbush

Have we run the Galaxy Quest thing into the ground? I still like this:

I remember that sound. That's a bad sound!

Did I just hear that the animal turned inside out, and then it EXPLODED?

219 vxbush  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 2:13:26pm

re: #210 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Surely you can't be serious.

You broke the ship. You broke the bloody ship!

220 Ben Hur  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 2:13:33pm

I've got one lousy job on this ship!

221 That's Mr. President to you  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 2:13:41pm

Please allow me to express my profound regret that this thread - which is already 200+ posts long - has only 2 posts with my name in it.

Just 2.

I have to ask you people - how are we supposed to affect change in this country and bring hoe to the world if everyone doesn't contribute by talking about how wonderful I am?

222 DEZes  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 2:13:52pm

re: #208 vxbush

Have we run the Galaxy Quest thing into the ground? I still like this:

I remember that sound. That's a bad sound!

Well, the Protector got super-accelerated coming out of the black hole, and it, like, nailed the atmosphere at Mach 15, which, you guys know, is pretty unstable, obviously, so we're gonna help Laredo guide it on the vox ultra-frequency carrier and use Roman candles for visual confirmation.

223 Dianna  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 2:13:55pm

re: #199 sattv4u2

It's a good read. Puts the onus on Europe (and the rest of the world) for not keeping up with the USA as their reason(s) for disliking us, instead of blaming the USA for being too militarily and economically powerful

That is the point, but...oh, getting there!

Dreadful writing!

224 TheMatrix31  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 2:14:09pm

re: #211 Dianna

Oh, you have my sympathies.

Let me know when you begin bashing the book against the back of your head. That's when it becomes dangerous.

Great, lol.

The other thing assigned was some "American Grand Strategy" thing by some dude named Chrstopher Layne. No idea who/what kind of bent it has.

225 albusteve  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 2:14:24pm

re: #213 Truck Monkey

Hell... I'm nostalgic for Jimmah!

you ain't seen nothing yet...wait til the polls crash and BO tries to fight his way back into favor...should be quite a show

226 vxbush  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 2:15:02pm

Gwen DeMarco: Alex, where are you going?
Sir Alexander Dane: To see if there's a pub.

227 reloadingisnotahobby  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 2:15:17pm

re: #215 Charles

The volcano ...Or the French Professor??

228 Russkilitlover  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 2:15:21pm

re: #222 DEZes

Well, the Protector got super-accelerated coming out of the black hole, and it, like, nailed the atmosphere at Mach 15, which, you guys know, is pretty unstable, obviously, so we're gonna help Laredo guide it on the vox ultra-frequency carrier and use Roman candles for visual confirmation.

"Well, at least he's outside."

229 Kragar  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 2:15:29pm

Guy Fleegman: Jason, are we doing episode 81 or not?
Jason Nesmith: It's a rough plan, Guy, what does it matter if we're doing episode 81 or not?
Guy Fleegman: BECAUSE I DIED... IN EPISODE 81!

230 Targetpractice  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 2:15:30pm

re: #221 That's Mr. President to you

Please allow me to express my profound regret that this thread - which is already 200+ posts long - has only 2 posts with my name in it.

Just 2.

I have to ask you people - how are we supposed to affect change in this country and bring hoe to the world if everyone doesn't contribute by talking about how wonderful I am?

Uhm, sir, you already brought a hoe to the world. Though we usually address her as "Madam First Lady."

/

231 code red 21  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 2:16:17pm

re: #221 That's Mr. President to you

Please allow me to express my profound regret that this thread - which is already 200+ posts long - has only 2 posts with my name in it.

Just 2.

I have to ask you people - how are we supposed to affect change in this country and bring hoe to the world if everyone doesn't contribute by talking about how wonderful I am?


Well why don't you just tell us how wonderful you are.

232 reloadingisnotahobby  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 2:16:56pm

re: #221 That's Mr. President to you

Mandymanners is in charge of name calling!!

233 kansas  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 2:16:56pm

Lava melts the cable? Send this to Rosie Odonnell.

234 DEZes  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 2:17:17pm

re: #229 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Guy Fleegman: Jason, are we doing episode 81 or not?
Jason Nesmith: It's a rough plan, Guy, what does it matter if we're doing episode 81 or not?
Guy Fleegman: BECAUSE I DIED... IN EPISODE 81!

Hey guys, there's a red-thingy moving toward the green-thingy.

235 SixDegrees  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 2:17:33pm

re: #221 That's Mr. President to you


I have to ask you people - how are we supposed to affect change in this country and bring hoe to the world if everyone doesn't contribute by talking about how wonderful I am?

See my comment in the thread downstairs; it would be cheaper to stimulate everybody by buying them hoes than the way it's being done now.

236 Kragar  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 2:17:50pm

re: #234 DEZes

Hey guys, there's a red-thingy moving toward the green-thingy.

Sure, they're cute now, but in a second they're gonna get mean, and they're gonna get ugly somehow, and there's gonna be a million more of them.

237 Russkilitlover  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 2:18:45pm

re: #234 DEZes

Hey guys, there's a red-thingy moving toward the green-thingy.

I think we're the green thingy.

238 vxbush  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 2:19:23pm

Okay, I've exhausted my supply of movie quotes, but we have that one at home. I may just have to see it tonight.

Later, everyone! Gotta go.

239 Ward Cleaver  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 2:19:29pm

re: #192 Dianna

So did Ross Perot.

And please don't tell me he wasn't a nut. He may not have been some years before, but by the time he ran for president (twice), he definitely was.

More charts!

240 Dianna  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 2:19:36pm

re: #224 TheMatrix31

Great, lol.

The other thing assigned was some "American Grand Strategy" thing by some dude named Chrstopher Layne. No idea who/what kind of bent it has.

The Peace of Illusions?

241 Fenway_Nation  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 2:20:49pm

re: #239 Ward Cleaver

re: #192 Dianna


More charts!

Maybe Dennis Kucinich could help prep some charts the next time Perot is interviewed by radio...

242 doppelganglander  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 2:21:10pm

re: #216 Truck Monkey

Yes I'm serious... and stop calling me Shirley.
/can we talk about Naked Gun for awhile?

That's "Airplane," but Naked Gun is cool too. Leslie Nielsen rocks.

243 That's Mr. President to you  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 2:21:13pm

You know, perhaps it is time to automate hoe.

Perhaps I should sign an Executive Order to bring back PimpBot 5000.

A more productive stimulus.

244 Kragar  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 2:21:23pm

Kucinich...Perot...THUNDERDOME!!!

245 John Neverbend  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 2:21:38pm

re: #161 midwestgak

Tim Allen was great and who knew who Tony Shalhoub (Monk) was in 1999?

Anybody who saw Men in Black (from 1997 onwards). He played Jack Jeebs.

246 Dianna  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 2:21:51pm

re: #240 Dianna

The Peace of Illusions?

I snagged the middle paragraph of the first editorial review. I haven't read the book, but I'm intrigued:

The Peace of Illusions intervenes in the ongoing debate about American grand strategy and the costs and benefits of "American empire." Layne urges the desirability of a strategy he calls "offshore balancing": rather than wield power to dominate other states, the U.S. government should engage in diplomacy to balance large states against one another. The United States should intervene, Layne asserts, only when another state threatens, regionally or locally, to destroy the established balance.

How a book intervenes, I'm not entirely sure.

247 Kosh's Shadow  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 2:22:17pm

re: #216 Truck Monkey

Yes I'm serious... and stop calling me Shirley.
/can we talk about Naked Gun for awhile?

OK.
Frank: "I'm lieutenant Drebbin, this is captain Hawkin; Police Squad."
Stripper: "Is this some kind of bust?"
Frank: "Yes, it's very impressive but we'd just like to ask a few questions."

248 callahan23  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 2:22:43pm

re: #245 John Neverbend

Anybody who saw Men in Black (from 1997 onwards). He played Jack Jeebs.

Wow that was a good call.

249 DEZes  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 2:23:08pm

re: #237 Russkilitlover

I think we're the green thingy.

Activate the Omega 13.

250 Truck Monkey  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 2:23:19pm

re: #247 Kosh's Shadow

OK.
Frank: "I'm lieutenant Drebbin, this is captain Hawkin; Police Squad."
Stripper: "Is this some kind of bust?"
Frank: "Yes, it's very impressive but we'd just like to ask a few questions."

'Nice beaver'.

251 Kragar  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 2:23:22pm

re: #247 Kosh's Shadow

OK.
Frank: "I'm lieutenant Drebbin, this is captain Hawkin; Police Squad."
Stripper: "Is this some kind of bust?"
Frank: "Yes, it's very impressive but we'd just like to ask a few questions."

Ed, I hear your wife is pregnant!
Yeah, and if I catch the son of a bitch...

252 CyanSnowHawk  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 2:23:31pm

re: #246 Dianna

How a book intervenes, I'm not entirely sure.

Normally when it is thrown at someone.

253 albusteve  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 2:23:32pm

determined tokers...

[Link: www.foxnews.com...]

254 TheMatrix31  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 2:23:51pm

re: #240 Dianna

The Peace of Illusions?

I think that's the one, yeah. I really don't wanna buy it though :-/

255 Kragar  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 2:24:02pm

re: #250 Truck Monkey

'Nice beaver'.

Thats a honey of an ankle bracelet.
Oh, did it slip down there again?

256 DEZes  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 2:24:15pm

re: #250 Truck Monkey

'Nice beaver'.

Thanks, I just had it mounted.

257 Kragar  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 2:24:30pm

re: #256 DEZes

Thanks, I just had it mounted.

stuffed

258 midwestgak  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 2:24:40pm

re: #245 John Neverbend

Anybody who saw Men in Black (from 1997 onwards). He played Jack Jeebs.

I recognize him now, but didn't know who he was in 1997. Fake accent and all.

259 Targetpractice  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 2:24:47pm

re: #247 Kosh's Shadow

OK.
Frank: "I'm lieutenant Drebbin, this is captain Hawkin; Police Squad."
Stripper: "Is this some kind of bust?"
Frank: "Yes, it's very impressive but we'd just like to ask a few questions."

"Doctors say that Nordberg has a 50/50 chance of living, though there's only a 10 percent chance of that. "

260 DEZes  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 2:25:26pm

re: #257 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

stuffed

Darn faulty memory

261 Dianna  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 2:25:28pm

re: #252 CyanSnowHawk

Normally when it is thrown at someone.

No, the thrower intervenes; the book is merely an object. Even in the sense that the book is discussing the debate regarding American power and its use, I still don't see how the book - or even its writer - intervenes.

Writing is going to hell, lately.

262 Kosh's Shadow  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 2:25:30pm

re: #259 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

"Doctors say that Nordberg has a 50/50 chance of living, though there's only a 10 percent chance of that. "

Remember when we used to feel sorry for OJ being dragged around under cars in the Police Squad movies?

263 John Neverbend  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 2:26:14pm

re: #248 callahan23

Wow that was a good call.

He has an unforgettable face.

264 DEZes  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 2:26:23pm

re: #262 Kosh's Shadow

Remember when we used to feel sorry for OJ being dragged around under cars in the Police Squad movies?

We did?

265 Targetpractice  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 2:26:24pm

re: #262 Kosh's Shadow

Remember when we used to feel sorry for OJ being dragged around under cars in the Police Squad movies?

That was my first thought too. Get out of my head!

266 haavamaal  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 2:26:34pm

re: #7 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

It's only time before we read "Gallup Poll: Fed approval rating less that used car sales man".

267 badger1970  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 2:27:09pm

re: #262 Kosh's Shadow

Yes, and in a wheelchair being pushed off Dodger stadium only to be marched on by the USC band playing, "Tusk".

268 Kragar  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 2:27:50pm

re: #259 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

"Doctors say that Nordberg has a 50/50 chance of living, though there's only a 10 percent chance of that. "

I'm boiling a roast. How hot and wet do you like it?

269 Russkilitlover  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 2:27:51pm

re: #253 albusteve

determined tokers...

[Link: www.foxnews.com...]

I don't know how I feel about this issue. On the one hand, I personally don't think pot is any worse than beer or wine. I certainly don't buy into the "gateway" drug thing. On the other hand...

270 sattv4u2  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 2:28:15pm

re: #262 Kosh's Shadow

Remember when we used to feel sorry for OJ being dragged around under cars in the Police Squad movies?

re: #264 DEZes

We did?

I rooted for the cars!

271 Truck Monkey  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 2:28:17pm

re: #267 badger1970

Yes, and in a wheelchair being pushed off Dodger stadium only to be marched on by the USC band playing, "Tusk".

He was actually punished in that movie far more than he ever was by the DAs office

272 CyanSnowHawk  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 2:28:22pm

re: #253 albusteve

determined tokers...

[Link: www.foxnews.com...]

Do you suppose this time they will submit all the signatures before the deadline?

273 Fenway_Nation  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 2:29:00pm

re: #267 badger1970

I thought that was Ricardo Montabaln... and wasn't there a steamroller in there somewhere?

/*sniff* 'That's the same way my old man went'

274 albusteve  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 2:29:17pm

re: #269 Russkilitlover

I don't know how I feel about this issue. On the one hand, I personally don't think pot is any worse than beer or wine. I certainly don't buy into the "gateway" drug thing. On the other hand...

pot should be legalized for personal use, period...no taxes, no feds

275 Targetpractice  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 2:29:45pm

re: #268 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

I'm boiling a roast. How hot and wet do you like it?

"Entering without a search warrant, destroying property, arson, sexual assault with a concrete dildo...? "

276 John Neverbend  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 2:29:47pm

I recently found out that Daniel Craig had appeared some years ago in a rather peculiar black comedy called Genghis Cohn. There's a compilation of scenes on Youtube. Here it is. If you can find the whole thing, it's worth watching.

277 CyanSnowHawk  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 2:29:56pm

re: #261 Dianna

No, the thrower intervenes; the book is merely an object. Even in the sense that the book is discussing the debate regarding American power and its use, I still don't see how the book - or even its writer - intervenes.

Writing is going to hell, lately.

Snark rarely survives close examination.

278 DEZes  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 2:30:00pm

re: #268 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

I'm boiling a roast. How hot and wet do you like it?

I know. You take a chance getting up in the morning, crossing the street or sticking your face in a fan.

279 Truck Monkey  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 2:30:05pm

re: #274 albusteve

pot should be legalized for personal use, period...no taxes, no feds

They would never legalize it if they couldn't tax it.

280 lobo91  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 2:30:19pm

re: #274 albusteve

pot should be legalized for personal use, period...no taxes, no feds

Why would they legalize anything they can't tax?

281 Ward Cleaver  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 2:30:45pm

re: #242 doppelganglander

That's "Airplane," but Naked Gun is cool too. Leslie Nielsen rocks.

"Employees Must Wash Hands Before Using Restroom".

282 Kragar  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 2:31:37pm

I dont know about you, but when I see 5 guys in robes stabbing a guy, I DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT!

They were doing Shakespeare in the Park. You killed 5 actors, good ones!

283 doppelganglander  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 2:31:44pm

re: #248 callahan23

Wow that was a good call.

Hi, callahan! I love spotting well-known actors in early, less prominent roles. I watched "Dark Victory" (1939) for the first time in ages and there were Humphrey Bogart as the horse trainer and Ronald Reagan as the playboy millionaire.

284 albusteve  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 2:32:45pm

re: #279 Truck Monkey

They would never legalize it if they couldn't tax it.

CA is so screwed...what are they going to do?, incarcerate pot growers while felons walk?...hahaha!...the laughingstock of the country...Pelosi's CA...bwahahahaha!

285 Kragar  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 2:32:51pm

re: #283 doppelganglander

Hi, callahan! I love spotting well-known actors in early, less prominent roles. I watched "Dark Victory" (1939) for the first time in ages and there were Humphrey Bogart as the horse trainer and Ronald Reagan as the playboy millionaire.

Watch the old Buck Rogers on hulu, they've got a couple moments like that.

286 turn  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 2:33:00pm

re: #269 Russkilitlover

I don't know how I feel about this issue. On the one hand, I personally don't think pot is any worse than beer or wine. I certainly don't buy into the "gateway" drug thing. On the other hand...

Hi Russ, I watched a great series about drugs in America this weekend. To prohibit pot the government enacted this phony stamp system where you could possess it if you had a stamp, only problem being you needed to turn in your pot to get a stamp and guess what? You would promptly get busted for possession before you got a stamp. Of all people, Timothy Leary was responsible for taking that law all the way to the supreme court and getting it struck down. Later all, time to go walk the lab along the American.

287 DEZes  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 2:33:00pm

re: #282 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

I dont know about you, but when I see 5 guys in robes stabbing a guy, I DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT!

They were doing Shakespeare in the Park. You killed 5 actors, good ones!

Frank: Interesting... almost as interesting as the photographs I saw today.
Jane: I was young! I needed the work!

288 sattv4u2  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 2:33:01pm

re: #283 doppelganglander

Hi, callahan! I love spotting well-known actors in early, less prominent roles. I watched "Dark Victory" (1939) for the first time in ages and there were Humphrey Bogart as the horse trainer and Ronald Reagan as the playboy millionaire.

The old Twighlight Zone episodes are a TREASURE TROVE for that!

289 lobo91  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 2:33:04pm

re: #283 doppelganglander

Hi, callahan! I love spotting well-known actors in early, less prominent roles. I watched "Dark Victory" (1939) for the first time in ages and there were Humphrey Bogart as the horse trainer and Ronald Reagan as the playboy millionaire.

I have a DVD around here someplace that has one of the WWII training films Reagan did on it.

290 badger1970  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 2:33:08pm

re: #273 Fenway_Nation

He was in it? Oh yeah, now I remember. OJ was in a wheelchair flying down the upper deck and flung forward out to the field?

Thanks for the correction.

291 callahan23  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 2:34:06pm

re: #283 doppelganglander

Hi, callahan! I love spotting well-known actors in early, less prominent roles. I watched "Dark Victory" (1939) for the first time in ages and there were Humphrey Bogart as the horse trainer and Ronald Reagan as the playboy millionaire.

Incredible you get to see movies that old. Very rarely shown on these shores. It is sad there is a lot of quality in them olden movies.

292 Kragar  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 2:35:07pm

re: #291 callahan23

Incredible you get to see movies that old. Very rarely shown on these shores. It is sad there is a lot of quality in them olden movies.

Probably why they don't play them as much, they don't want to invite the comparisons

293 Fenway_Nation  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 2:35:16pm

re: #283 doppelganglander

Not nearly as vintage, but there's Brad Pitt as the stoner roomate, Samuel L Jackson as an expendible pimp/drug dealer in the beginning and James Gandolfini as a mafia thug sent to retrieve the suitcase in True Romance...

And I'm probably missing a few more from the same movie.

294 ShanghaiEd  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 2:35:37pm

re: #281 Ward Cleaver

"Employees Must Wash Hands Before Using Restroom".

My vote for best Gahan Wilson cartoon ever:

An eight-foot tall, broad-shouldered German man stands beside the public restroom door. He wears Bavarian-style short pants, suspenders, a peaked hat with a feather, and holds a large scrub brush.

The sign beside him reads, "Hans must wash employees before returning to work."

295 Racer X  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 2:35:50pm

re: #284 albusteve

CA is so screwed...what are they going to do?, incarcerate pot growers while felons walk?...hahaha!...the laughingstock of the country...Pelosi's CA...bwahahahaha!

Medical marijuana facilities are opening up every day in CA lately. It is just not fair! I had to Some kids I knew growing up had to buy weed off some stoner living out of his van.

296 midwestgak  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 2:36:20pm

re: #288 sattv4u2

The old Twighlight Zone episodes are a TREASURE TROVE for that!

Elizabeth Montgomery, William Shatner come to mind.

297 Sharmuta  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 2:36:58pm

re: #170 Pianobuff

That would be fine with me, too. Whether a formal audit is in order for the Fed or not, they seem to be immune to much criticism because nobody wants to agree with Ron Paul about anything.

I do think there sometimes an under-appreciation of Fed policy on the overall health of the economy. Either through direct actions or "tipping" statements.

For instance, I don't think it was helpful (in fact it was harmful) to cut interest rates back to 1% in 2003 at the same time Greenspan was winking at ARM loans.

Of course, if you ask Greenspan now, it's the fault of foreign countries that the sub-prime bubble came to be and Fed policy had nothing to do with it. I don't believe that Fed wasn't a big contributor.

Monetary policy is a dry and sometimes arcane topic, yet it is very impactful.

Yeah, I know. Ron Paul.

He's a gynecologist- not an economist. And yes- I will continue to scrutinize all of his proposals because he's a quack with an agenda, and takes money from nazis, so yeah- I don't trust anything he says.

298 Racer X  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 2:38:07pm

re: #297 Sharmuta

He's a gynecologist- not an economist.

Oh man that screams rotating title.

299 doppelganglander  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 2:38:44pm

re: #288 sattv4u2

The old Twighlight Zone episodes are a TREASURE TROVE for that!

Absolutely. We usually watch part of the marathon on Sci Fi on New Year's Eve. re: #291 callahan23

Incredible you get to see movies that old. Very rarely shown on these shores. It is sad there is a lot of quality in them olden movies.

You need Turner Classic Movies. Ted Turner bought up the old MGM film library and established a channel that's nothing but, well, classic movies. It's not just MGM, of course. Despite Turner's reputation for desecrating old films by colorizing them (e.g. "Yankee Doodle Dandy"), most of them are shown as they were made, uncut and uninterrupted. It's heaven.

300 DEZes  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 2:38:52pm

re: #291 callahan23

Incredible you get to see movies that old. Very rarely shown on these shores. It is sad there is a lot of quality in them olden movies.

You might check out VEOH.
lots of old movies and TV shows.

301 [deleted]  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 2:39:00pm
302 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 2:39:03pm

re: #20 TheMatrix31

Wow...

My professor is discussing War in Iraq and he said;

"I was cynical at the time, but I really give credence to the thought now that regime change/spreading democracy was the reason for going in, especially seeing recent developments there."

I didn't know a college professor was capable of such rational thinking.

Apparently you're being educated...

303 Fenway_Nation  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 2:39:07pm

re: #297 Sharmuta


He's a gynecologist- not an economist

Dammit Jim! I'm a doctor, not an auditor!

304 Pianobuff  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 2:39:39pm

re: #194 Russkilitlover

And then raising them as soon as housing started to fumble. Greenspan's and now Bernanke's Fed policies, have too much direct influence on the economy. It wasn't just the ARM loans, Fed should have raised flags instantly at the rampant mortgage backed securities nonsense.

Nope, not a Paulian myself - could not even articulate any of his positions other than "audit the Fed," which I hear on LGF from time to time.

Heh. Ron Paul, as it turns out, is the biggest gift the Fed could have been given.

305 sattv4u2  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 2:39:52pm

re: #296 midwestgak

Elizabeth Montgomery, William Shatner come to mind.

Robert Duvall,,, Billy Mummy,,,Donna Douglas (later Ellie Mae on The Bev. Hillbillies)

306 Sharmuta  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 2:40:03pm

re: #298 Racer X

Nah. I'm not worthy.

307 [deleted]  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 2:40:33pm
308 midwestgak  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 2:42:26pm

re: #305 sattv4u2

Robert Duvall,,, Billy Mummy,,,Donna Douglas (later Ellie Mae on The Bev. Hillbillies)

Donna Douglas played in the creepy one where her head (someone's head) ended up in a jar (the ribbon gave it away). Do I have that right?

309 Pianobuff  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 2:42:31pm

re: #297 Sharmuta

He's a gynecologist- not an economist. And yes- I will continue to scrutinize all of his proposals because he's a quack with an agenda, and takes money from nazis, so yeah- I don't trust anything he says.

Who's talking about what he says? I'm trying to figure out if it's possible to have a critical discussion of monetary policy and the Fed without talking about Ron Paul. The sense I get from many is that to have criticisms of the Fed one must necessarily be a Paulite. IMO that seems to be the narrow view.

310 calcajun  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 2:42:46pm

re: #294 ShanghaiEd

My vote for best Gahan Wilson cartoon ever:

An eight-foot tall, broad-shouldered German man stands beside the public restroom door. He wears Bavarian-style short pants, suspenders, a peaked hat with a feather, and holds a large scrub brush.

The sign beside him reads, "Hans must wash employees before returning to work."

No. Better.

A wolf-like creature in a red suit is rampaging through a work shop with wooden toys shattered and strewn about. Some worried looking reindeer peer in a window and two elves cower in the corner. One elf says to the other, "When Christmas falls on a full moon, we've got problems."

The two Walter would enjoy are move related.

The first is a tiny director in a chair next to a camera, talking into the ear of a tied-down Gulliver, "OK, now you're this giant, see..."

The other is a film set in the foreground with the camera and sound man with worried looks on their faces. In the background are a pack of ravenous beasts in a frenzy over a fresh kill. The director looks at his clip board, scratching his head and says, "You know, this scene DID call for a stuntman."

311 Truck Monkey  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 2:42:51pm

re: #307 buzzsawmonkey

Ron Paul--trying to stirrup the electorate. Vote for the Private Part-y!

Heh.

He covers a broad speculum alright.

312 ShanghaiEd  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 2:43:05pm

re: #298 Racer X

Oh man that screams rotating title.

IANAG: I Am Not a Gynecologist

313 Kragar  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 2:43:27pm

re: #308 midwestgak

Donna Douglas played in the creepy one where her head (someone's head) ended up in a jar (the ribbon gave it away). Do I have that right?

I think that was an Alfred Hitchcock Presents.

314 calcajun  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 2:43:28pm

re: #296 midwestgak

Elizabeth Montgomery, William Shatner come to mind.

Charles Bronson, too. And James Coburn, too.

315 sattv4u2  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 2:43:45pm

re: #297 Sharmuta

He's a gynecologist- not an economist.

What does that have to do mwith anything? iirc you're a guiliani supporter. he was an attorney, not an economist, but i'm sure part of his appeal to you (as well as to me) was his fiscal policies!

316 calcajun  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 2:44:23pm

re: #297 Sharmuta

He's a gynecologist- not an economist

Dammit, Jim, I'm a...

317 sattv4u2  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 2:45:21pm

re: #308 midwestgak

Donna Douglas played in the creepy one where her head (someone's head) ended up in a jar (the ribbon gave it away). Do I have that right?

Nope ,, TZ ,.,, "Eye of the Beholder"

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

318 midwestgak  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 2:45:38pm

re: #313 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

I think that was an Alfred Hitchcock Presents.

Even better. What was your favorite Hitchcock Presents?

319 Kosh's Shadow  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 2:46:20pm

re: #305 sattv4u2

Robert Duvall,,, Billy Mummy,,,Donna Douglas (later Ellie Mae on The Bev. Hillbillies)

I'll watch for them.
My Twilight Zone set should arrive soon. Amazon had a one-day sale for $105 (list $299).
Being on their email list is worth it.

320 albusteve  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 2:46:25pm

re: #318 midwestgak

Even better. What was your favorite Hitchcock Presents?

I liked the tie I got one year very much

321 doppelganglander  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 2:46:31pm

re: #317 sattv4u2

Nope ,, TZ ,.,, "Eye of the Beholder"

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

Even the new TZ in the 80s had some future famous faces. Bruce Willis is one that I recall. (Willis also did an excellent episode of "Miami Vice" before he got "Moonlighting.")

322 capitalist piglet  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 2:47:00pm
323 DEZes  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 2:47:00pm

re: #318 midwestgak

Even better. What was your favorite Hitchcock Presents?

Someone mentioned your nic was a typo.
Midwestgal?

324 calcajun  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 2:47:18pm

re: #319 Kosh's Shadow

Bill Mummy-- the scariest bloody show in that series. God as a psychopathic child.

325 doppelganglander  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 2:47:25pm

re: #319 Kosh's Shadow

I'll watch for them.
My Twilight Zone set should arrive soon. Amazon had a one-day sale for $105 (list $299).
Being on their email list is worth it.

Sweet.

326 sattv4u2  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 2:47:29pm

re: #319 Kosh's Shadow

I'll watch for them.
My Twilight Zone set should arrive soon. Amazon had a one-day sale for $105 (list $299).
Being on their email list is worth it.

Cool..

327 [deleted]  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 2:47:39pm
328 Sharmuta  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 2:47:49pm

re: #309 Pianobuff

Who's talking about what he says? I'm trying to figure out if it's possible to have a critical discussion of monetary policy and the Fed without talking about Ron Paul. The sense I get from many is that to have criticisms of the Fed one must necessarily be a Paulite. IMO that seems to be the narrow view.

My focus is on Congress and their monetary policies. Things like- deficit spending and job crippling legislation like cap and trade.

329 Eowyn2  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 2:47:50pm

re: #5 Sharmuta

Fed job approval rating lower than IRS: Gallup poll

ron paul!


isn't the irs a fed position?

330 Neutral President  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 2:47:54pm

re: #309 Pianobuff

Who's talking about what he says? I'm trying to figure out if it's possible to have a critical discussion of monetary policy and the Fed without talking about Ron Paul. The sense I get from many is that to have criticisms of the Fed one must necessarily be a Paulite. IMO that seems to be the narrow view.

I have some criticism of the Fed and I'm not a Paulian. I'm not happy with how they have kept interest rates artificially low for a very long time, and it almost appears as thought they think it's their job to prop up markets rather than control inflation/deflation.

I am also not an economist, and have no solution to offer to problems I perceive with the Fed. Because of that I default to a reluctant supporter, especially against Paulian claims. I may not have have a better solution to the Fed, but I can spot a very bad "solution" when I see it.

331 Kosh's Shadow  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 2:48:45pm

re: #324 calcajun

Bill Mummy-- the scariest bloody show in that series. God as a psychopathic child.

I missed the end to that one last time it was on TV. Well, next week, I'll watch it.
Then there's "A Stop at Willoughby". I saw that one a few years ago when I was taking the commuter rail, and was falling asleep on it (as did many passengers). Never did dream of a stop at Willoughby, though.

332 calcajun  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 2:48:58pm

re: #327 buzzsawmonkey

Ron Paul--he knows the government's G-spot.

He's got his finger on something-- but it's not the pulse of the country!

333 dhg4  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 2:49:36pm

Aluf Benn wrote a pretty good op-ed in the NYT today. It was by no means perfect, but it was pretty good for a leftist.

Then comes Joe Klein with a response, which missed Benn's most important points. That was bad enough, but look at the comments. They are atrocious. Such vile anti-Israel (and I think it's safe to say antisemitic) sentiment at the website of what's considered a mainstream periodical. I wonder if Klein ever distances himself from these sentiments. Or does he harbor some sympathy for them?

334 Pianobuff  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 2:49:56pm

re: #328 Sharmuta

My focus is on Congress and their monetary policies. Things like- deficit spending and job crippling legislation like cap and trade.

I agree with you. These are also very important items. I do believe it's possible to multi-task though.

335 Kragar  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 2:50:03pm

re: #318 midwestgak

Even better. What was your favorite Hitchcock Presents?

I can't really recall ever watching it. Its another one of those useless tidbits floating around in my brain waiting to come out. Tales from the Dark Side was what I grew up with.

336 SixDegrees  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 2:50:06pm

re: #322 capitalist piglet

Uh oh.

Colin Powell to Skip Gates: “You don’t argue with a police officer”

But...but...but this is supposed to be a teachable moment! And Gates wasn't supposed to be the one learning anything!

337 midwestgak  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 2:50:23pm

re: #323 DEZes

Someone mentioned your nic was a typo.
Midwestgal?

Yes. I didn't want to miss the registration deadline (suspecting it was short) and I mistyped a k which is next to the l>

338 Targetpractice  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 2:50:43pm

re: #322 capitalist piglet

Uh oh.

Colin Powell to Skip Gates: “You don’t argue with a police officer”

First he says he's not happy with Obama's presidency, now he says Gates shouldn't have argue with a cop. He keeps up like this and the Left's gonna revoke his victim card again.

339 calcajun  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 2:52:00pm

re: #338 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Worst. They'll revoke his race card.///

340 Fenway_Nation  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 2:52:05pm

re: #338 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

When did they buyer's remorse set in? I missed that one...

341 DEZes  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 2:52:05pm

re: #337 midwestgak

Yes. I didn't want to miss the registration deadline (suspecting it was short) and I mistyped a k which is next to the l>

I have wondered more than once what gak was for, when someone mentioned typo I was enlightened.
Oh well, it happens. ;)

342 Neutral President  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 2:52:25pm

re: #338 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

First he says he's not happy with Obama's presidency

He didn't get a flying unicorn that shits rainbows like he was promised last fall?

343 Pianobuff  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 2:52:38pm

re: #329 Eowyn2

isn't the irs a fed position?

Treasury.

344 [deleted]  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 2:52:39pm
345 Sharmuta  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 2:52:39pm

re: #334 Pianobuff

I agree with you. These are also very important items. I do believe it's possible to multi-task though.

I guess the question is- how much does Congressional monetary policy affect the Fed's ability to deal with the economy?

346 Randall Gross  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 2:53:37pm

re: #324 calcajun

Bill Mummy-- the scariest bloody show in that series. God as a psychopathic child.

A Jerome Bixby fan I see.

347 sattv4u2  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 2:53:39pm

TWIGHLIGHT ZONE EPISODES WITH MAIN ACTORS.

You'll have to scroll thru and look at each episode, but the list is impressive

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

I had forgotton some, like Roddy McDowell, Jack Klugman, Ivan Dixon, Burgess Merideth, etc etc

348 [deleted]  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 2:53:47pm
349 midwestgak  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 2:53:57pm

re: #335 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

I can't really recall ever watching it. Its another one of those useless tidbits floating around in my brain waiting to come out. Tales from the Dark Side was what I grew up with.

Mid eighties programing.

350 albusteve  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 2:54:01pm

re: #328 Sharmuta

My focus is on Congress and their monetary policies. Things like- deficit spending and job crippling legislation like cap and trade.

just keep pounding your reps and senators, and make sure they understand your aversion to Paulian politics...it's all you can do...nothing will get resolved on a blog...enlightened, yes

351 callahan23  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 2:54:11pm

re: #337 midwestgak

Yes. I didn't want to miss the registration deadline (suspecting it was short) and I mistyped a k which is next to the l>

You are the main reason I added the "gals 'n guys" part in my sign offs. {midwestgak}

352 Fenway_Nation  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 2:55:07pm

re: #339 calcajun

I imagine officer Kelly King of the Cambridge Police Department is going to have her bona-fides as a black woman in law enforcement called into question by the intellectual luminaries such as the QuisKoslings or Paint Huffing-ton Post.

353 calcajun  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 2:55:48pm

re: #347 sattv4u2

TWIGHLIGHT ZONE EPISODES WITH MAIN ACTORS.

You'll have to scroll thru and look at each episode, but the list is impressive

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

I had forgotton some, like Roddy McDowell, Jack Klugman, Ivan Dixon, Burgess Merideth, etc etc

Johnathan Winters, Ross Martin, Kevin McCarthy, John Dehner, Jack Warden, Agnes Morehead, Telly Savalas.

354 albusteve  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 2:55:51pm

knowledge was power at one time...no more...gerrymandering and an absence of term limits defines power

355 Kragar  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 2:55:54pm

re: #349 midwestgak

Mid eighties programing.

The Grither episode scared the hell out of me as a kid.

356 sattv4u2  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 2:56:52pm

re: #353 calcajun

Johnathan Winters, Ross Martin, Kevin McCarthy, John Dehner, Jack Warden, Agnes Morehead, Telly Savalas.

amazing. Rod Serlings eye for talent combined with his producing/ directing skills

357 midwestgak  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 2:57:01pm

re: #341 DEZes

I have wondered more than once what gak was for, when someone mentioned typo I was enlightened.
Oh well, it happens. ;)

I don't remember which lizard made the comment after I had explained my error, but the lizard said something very funny.

"Did you go GAK when you saw your mistake?" It was funny to me because I did!

358 albusteve  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 2:57:05pm

conservative America does not vote...you want your govt back?...there is the solution

359 calcajun  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 2:57:36pm

re: #352 Fenway_Nation

I imagine officer Kelly King of the Cambridge Police Department is going to have her bona-fides as a black woman in law enforcement called into question by the intellectual luminaries such as the QuisKoslings or Paint Huffing-ton Post.

This is where racism dies-- when your ethnicity is incidental and not integral to your existence and your daily life.

360 sattv4u2  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 2:57:49pm

Ah well ,,, time to head home, take a lil snooze and be back here to work in 8 hours!

Cya Gang

361 calcajun  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 2:58:37pm

re: #346 Thanos

More like a Richard Matheson fan.

362 Targetpractice  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 2:58:41pm

re: #340 Fenway_Nation

When did they buyer's remorse set in? I missed that one...

It was something more along the lines of "you're doing too much too fast".

363 Athos  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 2:59:08pm

re: #350 albusteve

just keep pounding your reps and senators, and make sure they understand your aversion to Paulian politics...it's all you can do...nothing will get resolved on a blog...enlightened, yes

Exactly, and also remember to reinforce your aversion to Paulian's, Nirthers, and the other fringe nitwits by witholding donations and contributions to any representative, senator, and local politician / leadership group that does not clearly distance themselves from the fringe elements. Tell them why you refuse to donate.

364 midwestgak  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 2:59:47pm

re: #351 callahan23

You are the main reason I added the "gals 'n guys" part in my sign offs. {midwestgak}

{Callahan} I always enjoy seeing you.

365 Truck Monkey  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 2:59:59pm

re: #362 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

It was something more along the lines of "you're doing too much too fast".

It's the whole 'frog in a pot of boiling water' argument.

366 Dianna  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 3:00:37pm

re: #345 Sharmuta

I guess the question is- how much does Congressional monetary policy affect the Fed's ability to deal with the economy?

Lots.

But the Fed's rather secretive (and Congress isn't?), and that raises eyebrows among those to whom "secret" instantly equates to "sinister."

367 Sharmuta  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 3:00:40pm

re: #350 albusteve

just keep pounding your reps and senators, and make sure they understand your aversion to Paulian politics...it's all you can do...nothing will get resolved on a blog...enlightened, yes

Not a problem for me- my rep and senators are democrats.

368 callahan23  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 3:00:45pm

re: #364 midwestgak

Vice versa. ;-)

369 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 3:01:03pm

re: #103 Creeping Eruption

No doubt he will be lauded for helping break down cultural barriers in helping spread islamic traditions. ///(Need I?)

How modest can you be when someone has his hands in your mouth anyway?

370 opnion  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 3:01:08pm

I see talk about Alfed Hitchcock Presents upthread.
My favorite was the one where the woman murdered her husband with a frozen leg of lamb.
She thawed it while the police were investigating & served it to them for dinner. Problem solved

371 Targetpractice  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 3:01:17pm

re: #365 Truck Monkey

It's the whole 'frog in a pot of boiling water' argument.

Naturally. But, predictably, Obama hasn't listened to the good advice given to him and continues to try to push everything at once, probably because he knows the honeymoon is coming to a close and the natives are getting restless.

372 Sharmuta  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 3:01:35pm

re: #358 albusteve

conservative America does not vote...you want your govt back?...there is the solution

Conservative America needs something worthy of their vote first.

373 Kosh's Shadow  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 3:01:54pm

re: #370 opnion

I see talk about Alfed Hitchcock Presents upthread.
My favorite was the one where the woman murdered her husband with a frozen leg of lamb.
She thawed it while the police were investigating & served it to them for dinner. Problem solved

I liked the opening.
Goood evening.
Tonight, we have a very frightening story. It's about a sponsor...

374 callahan23  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 3:01:54pm

re: #370 opnion

I see talk about Alfed Hitchcock Presents upthread.
My favorite was the one where the woman murdered her husband with a frozen leg of lamb.
She thawed it while the police were investigating & served it to them for dinner. Problem solved

No CSI in those times ay?

375 Sharmuta  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 3:02:12pm

re: #366 Dianna

Lots.

But the Fed's rather secretive (and Congress isn't?), and that raises eyebrows among those to whom "secret" instantly equates to "sinister."

And Congress has the ability to change that- without an audit.

376 midwestgak  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 3:02:30pm

re: #353 calcajun

Johnathan Winters, Ross Martin, Kevin McCarthy, John Dehner, Jack Warden, Agnes Morehead, Telly Savalas.

Agnes Morehead. That episode with no dialog was brilliant. She made it believable.

377 calcajun  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 3:02:32pm

re: #370 opnion

I see talk about Alfed Hitchcock Presents upthread.
My favorite was the one where the woman murdered her husband with a frozen leg of lamb.
She thawed it while the police were investigating & served it to them for dinner. Problem solved

"Lamb to the Slaughter"

378 [deleted]  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 3:03:20pm
379 Truck Monkey  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 3:03:48pm

re: #371 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Naturally. But, predictably, Obama hasn't listened to the good advice given to him and continues to try to push everything at once, probably because he knows the honeymoon is coming to a close and the natives are getting restless.

380 DEZes  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 3:04:10pm

re: #374 callahan23

No CSI in those times ay?

Makes me think of the old cannibal joke.

Your husband makes a great stew.
Yes he does, I'm gonna miss him.

381 Pianobuff  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 3:04:14pm

re: #345 Sharmuta

I guess the question is- how much does Congressional monetary policy affect the Fed's ability to deal with the economy?

Clever, clever. Reminds me of old joke about the man who is sick of his wife always talking about herself. So she says, "Let's talk about YOU. What do YOU think of my hair."

I'll give it a rest for now, just try to be gentle on us non-Paulians who find monetary policy and critical thinking about the Fed to be important topics. One last note. As a technical correction, Congress does not set monetary policy. They spend the money, but they do not directly control the basic supply, availability, etc.

382 calcajun  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 3:04:19pm

re: #376 midwestgak

Agnes Morehead. That episode with no dialog was brilliant. She made it believable.

And we're forgetting Ed Wynn, Murray Hamilton and Peter Falk--who may not be with us much longer as Alzheimer's has claimed his mind.

383 calcajun  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 3:04:57pm

re: #380 DEZes

Makes me think of the old cannibal joke.

Your husband makes a great stew.
Yes he does, I'm gonna miss him.

Two cannibals eating a clown. One asks the other, "Does this taste funny to you?"

384 midwestgak  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 3:05:31pm

re: #356 sattv4u2

amazing. Rod Serlings eye for talent combined with his producing/ directing skills

I recall that he had written 200 or so short stories before anyone gave him the nod.

385 [deleted]  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 3:05:59pm
386 albusteve  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 3:05:59pm

the conservative ideology never changes...you can talk about it to death, scream for leadership, nuance everything, define it, redefine it, and put lipsick on it...strategize and plan and spout and complain all you want...none of it makes a damned bit of difference...until the vast majority of Americans wake up and learn what's in it for them...learn that they matter...learn that liberalism will kill them...there is no hope...the fringes run this country...a very few zealous people that work the system...we've been ACORNed...Ron Paul is nobody, Glenn beck is nobody...extremists are nobody...unless the vast majority of voters allow them to be...America slumbers while the bad guys take over...get a fallback plan

387 Kosh's Shadow  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 3:06:03pm

re: #380 DEZes

Makes me think of the old cannibal joke.

Your husband makes a great stew.
Yes he does, I'm gonna miss him.

Tom Lehrer's Irish Folk Song:
One day when she had nothing better to do
She cut her baby brother in two
And served him up as an Irish stew
And invited the neighbors in
And in and invited the neighbors in

388 DEZes  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 3:06:20pm

re: #383 calcajun

Two cannibals eating a clown. One asks the other, "Does this taste funny to you?"

Did you hear about the cannibal that passed his brother in the woods?

389 midwestgak  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 3:06:33pm

re: #355 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

The Grither episode scared the hell out of me as a kid.

I'm not familiar with that episode. What scared you?

390 opnion  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 3:06:34pm

re: #371 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Naturally. But, predictably, Obama hasn't listened to the good advice given to him and continues to try to push everything at once, probably because he knows the honeymoon is coming to a close and the natives are getting restless.

Obama sold the voters on the idea that he had all of the answers & fixing things would be easy. Now reality has set in & it looks like he may be clueless is or exercising a hidden agenda.
He either doesn't get that he is destroying the economy & his plan will destroy healthcare or he has a grand strategy.

391 albusteve  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 3:07:04pm

re: #367 Sharmuta

Not a problem for me- my rep and senators are democrats.

so are mine...everyone of them

392 Truck Monkey  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 3:07:32pm

re: #376 midwestgak

Agnes Morehead. That episode with no dialog was brilliant. She made it believable.

Here is an interesting tid bit. My dads company gave Agnes Moorehead her last limousine ride and her first ride in a hearse. Has done that quite a few times but I remember her name the most. She died at the Mayo Clinic in Rochester MN.

393 Kosh's Shadow  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 3:07:36pm

re: #385 buzzsawmonkey

"I always agreed with my mother-in-law, but she didn't agree with me."

Quilla June Holmes
Blood: Well, I'd certainly say she had marvelous judgment, Albert, if not particularly good taste.

394 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 3:08:09pm

re: #218 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Did I just hear that the animal turned inside out, and then it EXPLODED?

Cows turn themselves inside out all the time!

Moo MOO moo!

(OK, I switched shows...)

395 SixDegrees  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 3:08:16pm

re: #372 Sharmuta

Conservative America needs something worthy of their vote first.

Good point.

To date, no one from the GOP has contacted me or anyone I know to ask for opinions on party direction or voter sentiment toward the party. Finding out what voters want is a pretty critical step toward selecting policies and candidates that represent those desires.

I am not hopeful for 2010. The election season begins in earnest a month or two from now, and the preliminaries are already under way. But I'm not seeing any sign of national organization or strategy at this point.

396 calcajun  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 3:08:26pm

re: #387 Kosh's Shadow

That's not too funny with the mom that did that to her newborn in Texas. Sorry- can't laugh at that one today.

397 Sharmuta  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 3:08:28pm

re: #381 Pianobuff

Clever, clever. Reminds me of old joke about the man who is sick of his wife always talking about herself. So she says, "Let's talk about YOU. What do YOU think of my hair."

I'll give it a rest for now, just try to be gentle on us non-Paulians who find monetary policy and critical thinking about the Fed to be important topics. One last note. As a technical correction, Congress does not set monetary policy. They spend the money, but they do not directly control the basic supply, availability, etc.

Wasn't trying to be clever- it's a legitimate question, imo. Not trying to say the Fed is perfect and shouldn't face scrutiny, but it is my opinion that opportunists like ron paul are using the Fed to deflect attention away from Congressional fiscal scrutiny. Nor do I disagree with you that we can't do both- but where's an elected Federal official discussing Congress' role? Congress doesn't want us to think about their role in this- they know where their bread is buttered.

398 Kragar  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 3:08:30pm

Obama 2004: Bush Rushed Legislation Through Congress Without Allowing Time to Read Or Debate

To get the full flavor of the Obama hypocrisy, be sure to listen to the YouTube clip which also includes a video of MSNBC's Chuck Todd discussing why Rahm Emanuel felt the need to Rahm, I mean ram, legislation through congress. Here is the transcript which picks up at the 55 second mark:

BARACK OBAMA: ...When you rush these budgets that are a foot high and nobody has any idea what's in them and nobody has read them.

RANDI RHODES: 14 pounds it was!

BARACK OBAMA: Yeah. And it gets rushed through without any clear deliberation or debate then these kinds of things happen. And I think that this is in some ways what happened to the Patriot Act. I mean you remember that there was no real debate about that. It was so quick after 9/11 that it was introduced that people felt very intimidated by the administration.

399 Racer X  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 3:08:44pm

re: #386 albusteve

the conservative ideology never changes...you can talk about it to death, scream for leadership, nuance everything, define it, redefine it, and put lipsick on it...strategize and plan and spout and complain all you want...none of it makes a damned bit of difference...until the vast majority of Americans wake up and learn what's in it for them...learn that they matter...learn that liberalism will kill them...there is no hope...the fringes run this country...a very few zealous people that work the system...we've been ACORNed...Ron Paul is nobody, Glenn beck is nobody...extremists are nobody...unless the vast majority of voters allow them to be...America slumbers while the bad guys take over...get a fallback plan

Huh?

400 albusteve  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 3:09:15pm

re: #390 opnion

Obama sold the voters on the idea that he had all of the answers & fixing things would be easy. Now reality has set in & it looks like he may be clueless is or exercising a hidden agenda.
He either doesn't get that he is destroying the economy & his plan will destroy healthcare or he has a grand strategy.

he gets it...he knows exactly what he is doing and he will probably get away with it

401 calcajun  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 3:09:19pm

re: #394 SanFranciscoZionist

Cows turn themselves inside out all the time!

Moo MOO moo!

(OK, I switched shows...)

Wouldn't they go "Oom, oom, oom"?

402 Sharmuta  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 3:09:49pm

re: #395 SixDegrees

Good point.

To date, no one from the GOP has contacted me or anyone I know to ask for opinions on party direction or voter sentiment toward the party. Finding out what voters want is a pretty critical step toward selecting policies and candidates that represent those desires.

I am not hopeful for 2010. The election season begins in earnest a month or two from now, and the preliminaries are already under way. But I'm not seeing any sign of national organization or strategy at this point.

Yep- pretty depressing.

403 Targetpractice  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 3:09:51pm

re: #390 opnion

Obama sold the voters on the idea that he had all of the answers & fixing things would be easy. Now reality has set in & it looks like he may be clueless is or exercising a hidden agenda.
He either doesn't get that he is destroying the economy & his plan will destroy healthcare or he has a grand strategy.

It might have helped had he not shoved the "stimulus bill" through as an "emergency" bill, claiming it would do everything from fix the economy to whitening your teeth, and then moved on to pushing every other agenda item as "the thing that will fix the economy."

404 Ward Cleaver  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 3:10:00pm

re: #338 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

First he says he's not happy with Obama's presidency, now he says Gates shouldn't have argue with a cop. He keeps up like this and the Left's gonna revoke his victim card again.

What did he expect, when he endorsed 0bama? Sheesh.

405 Truck Monkey  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 3:10:15pm

re: #379 Truck Monkey

My post got gobbled up somehow, and now the moment is gone. I am sure it was bound to be insightful and pithy.

406 Dianna  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 3:10:51pm

re: #375 Sharmuta

And Congress has the ability to change that- without an audit.

Oh, very true.

I admit, it's fun watching Congress-critters behaving like schoolkids, pointing fingers at who they want blamed for the mess. What I find interesting is that even people who are signing on with the "Audit the Fed!" movement aren't fooled. I'm seeing a lot of people who think that the second such a business is opened, it will redound on the Congress.

Whether it will or not is quite another question. For one thing, so much will get lost in arcane accounting details that most people will find their eyes glazing over.

Of course, that is half the point, to my thinking.

407 midwestgak  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 3:10:54pm

re: #370 opnion

I see talk about Alfed Hitchcock Presents upthread.
My favorite was the one where the woman murdered her husband with a frozen leg of lamb.
She thawed it while the police were investigating & served it to them for dinner. Problem solved

Estelle Bel Geddes. One of my favs.

408 kansas  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 3:11:27pm

re: #395 SixDegrees

Good point.

To date, no one from the GOP has contacted me or anyone I know to ask for opinions on party direction or voter sentiment toward the party. Finding out what voters want is a pretty critical step toward selecting policies and candidates that represent those desires.

I am not hopeful for 2010. The election season begins in earnest a month or two from now, and the preliminaries are already under way. But I'm not seeing any sign of national organization or strategy at this point.

I got a call from the party today asking for money for Michael Steele to fight Obamacare. I told them I thought they were responsible for the problem in the first place and to buzz off.

409 Kragar  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 3:12:10pm

re: #389 midwestgak

I'm not familiar with that episode. What scared you?

I haven't watched it since then, lol. It had a Dad telling his kids a horror story abouth the Grither, a monster you lived at the North Pole, on Christmas Eve and ratcheted up tension till the very end and then they hit you in the last minute.

410 Truck Monkey  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 3:12:45pm
411 wrenchwench  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 3:13:13pm

re: #405 Truck Monkey

My post got gobbled up somehow, and now the moment is gone. I am sure it was bound to be insightful and pithy.

I'm sure #392 makes up for it.

412 Kosh's Shadow  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 3:13:25pm

re: #396 calcajun

That's not too funny with the mom that did that to her newborn in Texas. Sorry- can't laugh at that one today.

Sorry; I haven't been reading grisly stories like that until you mentioned it.

413 midwestgak  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 3:14:20pm

re: #382 calcajun

And we're forgetting Ed Wynn, Murray Hamilton and Peter Falk--who may not be with us much longer as Alzheimer's has claimed his mind.

I will always remember Peter Falk. Columbo and Princes Bride.

I know he did other acting, but the two above stand out in my mind.

414 albusteve  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 3:14:20pm

if your interests are not connected directly to some powerful lobby, save it...the GOP does not deserve your money...they have access to billions and little of it has anything to do with you...Steele is a bust

415 yochanan  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 3:15:02pm

rev wright raises major questions too bad the MSM never asked them. and because of that those at the margins ask the questions instead. which causes this problem. if the media had been doing its job the zero might still have been elected but these types of questions would have already been answered.

and then there is the question of why did obama rush to judgement on herr gates but no judgement on the iranian short shits murder.

???

416 albusteve  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 3:15:23pm

re: #402 Sharmuta

I will always and forever admire your spirit...I hope it's not wasted in vain

417 opnion  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 3:15:33pm

re: #400 albusteve

he gets it...he knows exactly what he is doing and he will probably get away with it

My thought is that he has an agenda. He is not schooled in economics & it shows but he gets the basics. It looks like his plan is to drive us to a Socialist economic system to spread the misery.
I find it aggravating that he advises sacrafice to everybody else while they spend like drunken sailors.
Just one example, when the family traveled to Paris with Obama, Michelle & the kids flew over to London for the day for fish & chips.
I wonder what that cost?

418 Truck Monkey  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 3:15:42pm

re: #411 wrenchwench

I'm sure #392 makes up for it.

A lot of VIP come up to Rochester in an effort to extend their lives. Some are not successful. The old man has some pretty interesting stories.

419 Racer X  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 3:16:05pm

I'll summarize:

Obama sucks.

As you were.

420 opnion  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 3:16:16pm

re: #407 midwestgak

Estelle Bel Geddes. One of my favs.


You got it. Very clever episode.

421 Targetpractice  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 3:16:32pm

re: #419 Racer X

I'll summarize:

Obama sucks.

As you were.

So say we all.

422 midwestgak  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 3:17:12pm

re: #392 Truck Monkey

Here is an interesting tid bit. My dads company gave Agnes Moorehead her last limousine ride and her first ride in a hearse. Has done that quite a few times but I remember her name the most. She died at the Mayo Clinic in Rochester MN.

Thanks for the tid bit {Truck}. Thanks for spelling her name correctly.

423 Truck Monkey  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 3:17:27pm

re: #415 yochanan

rev wright raises major questions too bad the MSM never asked them. and because of that those at the margins ask the questions instead. which causes this problem. if the media had been doing its job the zero might still have been elected but these types of questions would have already been answered.

and then there is the question of why did obama rush to judgement on herr gates but no judgement on the iranian short shits murder.

???

The questions, if asked, would have never been answered by The Won. An honest response to these very legitimate questions would have almost certainly cooked his goose.

424 albusteve  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 3:17:59pm

re: #417 opnion

My thought is that he has an agenda. He is not schooled in economics & it shows but he gets the basics. It looks like his plan is to drive us to a Socialist economic system to spread the misery.
I find it aggravating that he advises sacrafice to everybody else while they spend like drunken sailors.
Just one example, when the family traveled to Paris with Obama, Michelle & the kids flew over to London for the day for fish & chips.
I wonder what that cost?

you are being played like a fiddle amigo...you don't count, get used to it...those are just details you mention and he laughs it off...you cannot touch the president

425 callahan23  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 3:18:28pm

re: #413 midwestgak

I will always remember Peter Falk. Columbo and Princes Bride.

I know he did other acting, but the two above stand out in my mind.

Most memorable Peter Falk- Columbo episode was Rosebud.
The one with those scary Rothweilers.

426 kansas  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 3:19:03pm

Obama on Health Care: The wolf is at the door, the wolf is at the door!

Other recent wolf citings include:
The Stimulus Wolf
The Auto Industry Wolf
The Cap and Trade Wolf
The Bank Takeover Wolf

427 Sharmuta  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 3:19:05pm

re: #416 albusteve

I will always and forever admire your spirit...I hope it's not wasted in vain

Ask me sometime when I'm not feeling quite as depressed.

428 [deleted]  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 3:19:05pm
429 albusteve  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 3:19:10pm

term limits...Catch-22

430 Kragar  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 3:19:52pm

Trial set for anti-abortion activist in Kansas doctor's death

Scott Roeder, 51, pleaded not guilty after being bound over to trial on charges of first-degree murder in the death of Dr. George Tiller, who ran a women's clinic in which he performed abortions. Tiller was shot to death May 31 as services began at Reformation Lutheran Church. Roeder also faces two charges of aggravated assault for threatening church members Gary Hoepner and Keith Martin.

Sedgwick County Judge Warren Wilbert scheduled Roeder's trial for September 21.

During a preliminary hearing Tuesday, Gary Hoepner, an usher and 52-year member of the church, testified he was talking with Tiller before services when a man walked up to them, "put a gun right up to George's head and shot it."

431 midwestgak  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 3:19:59pm

re: #409 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

I haven't watched it since then, lol. It had a Dad telling his kids a horror story abouth the Grither, a monster you lived at the North Pole, on Christmas Eve and ratcheted up tension till the very end and then they hit you in the last minute.

{Kragar} I'll leave the light on tonight until you fall asleep.

432 [deleted]  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 3:20:03pm
433 Targetpractice  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 3:20:09pm

re: #429 albusteve

term limits...Catch-22

I don't know. I think if there were Congressional term limits, we might finally get some worthwhile legislation, rather than some of the BS they pass just to justify their paychecks.

434 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 3:20:36pm

re: #134 Sharmuta

I think the issue isn't the Fed so much as Congress. They're the ones who spend the money. Audit Congress.

Ack Ack Ack!

435 Digital Display  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 3:22:03pm

re: #427 Sharmuta

Ask me sometime when I'm not feeling quite as depressed.

Good evening Sharm! The American Spirit can not be broken...
I hope today finds you well

436 Truck Monkey  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 3:22:14pm

re: #417 opnion

My thought is that he has an agenda. He is not schooled in economics & it shows but he gets the basics. It looks like his plan is to drive us to a Socialist economic system to spread the misery.
I find it aggravating that he advises sacrafice to everybody else while they spend like drunken sailors.
Just one example, when the family traveled to Paris with Obama, Michelle & the kids flew over to London for the day for fish & chips.
I wonder what that cost?

That is probably an abuse of the system that I could question. OTOH when Barry wants to take his wife out to a show or a burger or a dinner, I do not begrudge him the cost of such things. WTF is he supposed to do? Sit in the fishbowl and not go anywhere? I could not imagine a worse place to live then the White House, and it is made even more intolerable because of the kids. You really have to be an ego-maniac to want that job. Everything you do is a major production that costs real $$$.
/sorry, rant off.

437 opnion  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 3:22:27pm

re: #403 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

It might have helped had he not shoved the "stimulus bill" through as an "emergency" bill, claiming it would do everything from fix the economy to whitening your teeth, and then moved on to pushing every other agenda item as "the thing that will fix the economy."

Yeah he is trying tio do too much.
When the pushed through the stimulus , that said that it would be a "jolt" to the economy. Now Biden says that "This will take time. Noone said that it would be a jolt to the economy."

438 kansas  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 3:23:01pm

re: #430 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

There was another article in the Kansas City paper today about this guy by Judy Thomas, a pretty good writer. The way I read it is that Roeder is and has been bat shit crazy for years.

439 Kragar  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 3:23:18pm

re: #437 opnion

Yeah he is trying tio do too much.
When the pushed through the stimulus , that said that it would be a "jolt" to the economy. Now Biden says that "This will take time. Noone said that it would be a jolt to the economy."

Well, no one who we would actually believe said it.

440 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 3:23:24pm

re: #434 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Ack Ack Ack!

Where's Rawmuse been? I miss the heck out of him.

Anybody know?

441 Sharmuta  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 3:23:45pm

re: #435 HoosierHoops

Hi, {Hoops}. Seeing you cheers me up. :)

442 opnion  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 3:24:30pm

re: #424 albusteve

you are being played like a fiddle amigo...you don't count, get used to it...those are just details you mention and he laughs it off...you cannot touch the president

Come on buddy , 2010 is rolling around. Take back the House.

443 TheMatrix31  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 3:24:36pm

re: #398 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Obama 2004: Bush Rushed Legislation Through Congress Without Allowing Time to Read Or Debate

This guy's the biggest fucking joke ever. ITS NOT APRIL FOOLS.

444 Truck Monkey  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 3:24:44pm

re: #441 Sharmuta

Hi, {Hoops}. Seeing you cheers me up. :)

What are we? Chopped Liver?
///

445 kansas  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 3:25:04pm

re: #432 buzzsawmonkey

Back when there were real wolves at the door, the most popular song in the nation was "Who's Afraid of the Big, Bad Wolf?"

Obama is the wolf, and conservative talk radio cried wolf for years.

446 CyanSnowHawk  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 3:25:07pm

Just a quick hit and run while my compiler churns away at my project at work.

I just read one of the funniest opinion pieces I have found in a long time. I posted it in the links, but thought it might be welcome here as well.

Enjoy.

447 Pianobuff  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 3:25:08pm

re: #397 Sharmuta

Wasn't trying to be clever- it's a legitimate question, imo. Not trying to say the Fed is perfect and shouldn't face scrutiny, but it is my opinion that opportunists like ron paul are using the Fed to deflect attention away from Congressional fiscal scrutiny. Nor do I disagree with you that we can't do both- but where's an elected Federal official discussing Congress' role? Congress doesn't want us to think about their role in this- they know where their bread is buttered.

I suspect that my congresswoman's staff knows my number by heart from the number of calls that her office gets from me, so I'm trying to keep up the pressure from both ends. Very little success with her but I keep trying.

There are probably more areas of agreement than disagreement between us on this topic and I'm glad this got sorted out a bit. My opinion of the Fed (re your poll) is not very high nor has it been for a while, and if nothing else your presentation of the poll allowed a few of us to try to distinguish legitimate criticism of the Fed from black helicopters.

Good day to you.

448 opnion  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 3:25:26pm

re: #439 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Well, no one who we would actually believe said it.

Exactly, they had to know. So what's the game?

449 Digital Display  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 3:25:26pm

re: #440 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Where's Rawmuse been? I miss the heck out of him.

Anybody know?


We asked about last night.. Last I heard he went on Vacation to Napa Valley...
Maybe he has a bad wine hangover...
You know the wine hangover...First you are afraid you are going to die..Then you are afraid you might live

450 SixDegrees  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 3:25:29pm

re: #437 opnion

Yeah he is trying tio do too much.
When the pushed through the stimulus , that said that it would be a "jolt" to the economy. Now Biden says that "This will take time. Noone said that it would be a jolt to the economy."

Maybe if they actually SPENT SOME OF THE STIMULUS MONEY it would actually stimulate something. To date, less than 10% has been allocated, and even less has actually been spent.

The remaining 90% are enormous campaign slush funds that won't hit the economy until the third quarters of 2010 and 2012.

451 albusteve  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 3:25:38pm

the slow crawl back to our Forefathers representative govt, if there is a crawl, will take generations beyond our lifetime...maybe the planets will shift but I don't think so...there will be blood on the streets of America as the extremists continue their rise to power...it's too big, the beast is out of control...laugh at me all you want...but tell me how it will be different...people are stupid, people don't vote in their best interests...BO is POTUS...explain that

452 Dianna  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 3:25:44pm

I'm going to pack it in and head for home. When I get there, I'm going to spend way too long on the phone with Mom.

If tomorrow, I'm snapping heads off, you will know the reason why.

Take care.

453 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 3:26:54pm

re: #441 Sharmuta

Hi, {Hoops}. Seeing you cheers me up. :)

I think you meant that for me. It's okay. I know.

454 kansas  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 3:27:39pm

Obama 2004: Bush Rushed Legislation Through Congress Without Allowing Time to Read Or Debate

Obama 2009: Oh, I get it now.

Conyers 2009: Whats the use in reading legislation that is over 1000 pages and requires 2 lawyers to understand?

Citizens 2009: Whats the use writing it?

455 midwestgak  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 3:28:04pm

re: #425 callahan23

Most memorable Peter Falk- Columbo episode was Rosebud.
The one with those scary Rothweilers.

My favorite is the fellow who owned a vineyard with his idiot brother. Killed him and was about to be blackmailed by his female assistant whom he could not stomach. He went to jail because of his actions, but felt that was a better prison than being under the control of his blackmailer. If you've never seen the episode, no further description will matter.

456 Sharmuta  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 3:28:06pm

re: #444 Truck Monkey

{Your Nic Here}

re: #453 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Because I love you -- [finger]

457 Kragar  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 3:28:08pm

re: #448 opnion

Exactly, they had to know. So what's the game?

If you can't win them over with charm, baffle them with bullshit.

Believe me, it works.

458 Killgore Trout  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 3:28:27pm

I can haz watermelon?

Om nom nom!

459 opnion  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 3:28:30pm

re: #450 SixDegrees

Maybe if they actually SPENT SOME OF THE STIMULUS MONEY it would actually stimulate something. To date, less than 10% has been allocated, and even less has actually been spent.

The remaining 90% are enormous campaign slush funds that won't hit the economy until the third quarters of 2010 and 2012.

Yup, they are managing the funds for political purposes. Do ya think Congressional districts with at risk Democrats might get some of the money?

460 albusteve  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 3:28:35pm

re: #435 HoosierHoops

Good evening Sharm! The American Spirit can not be broken...
I hope today finds you well

bravado...not for every single person, no...look around you

461 Cathypop  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 3:28:47pm

re: #434 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Ack Ack Ack!


I am so watching that movie tonight!

462 Killgore Trout  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 3:29:07pm

re: #440 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Where's Rawmuse been? I miss the heck out of him.

Anybody know?

I haven't seen Occasional Reader around for a while either.

463 calcajun  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 3:29:17pm

re: #425 callahan23

Most memorable Peter Falk- Columbo episode was Rosebud.
The one with those scary Rothweilers.

I liked the ones where he played opposite Patrick McGoohan-- they were close friends.

464 Kragar  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 3:29:29pm

re: #454 kansas

Obama 2004: Bush Rushed Legislation Through Congress Without Allowing Time to Read Or Debate

Obama 2009: Oh, I get it now.

Conyers 2009: Whats the use in reading legislation that is over 1000 pages and requires 2 lawyers to understand?

Citizens 2009: Whats the use writing it?

Ever feel like the consultants from Office Space?

"Congressman, what is it you say that you do do here?"

465 calcajun  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 3:30:07pm

re: #462 Killgore Trout

They weren't caught up in the massacre of last week, were they?

466 Gus  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 3:31:01pm

Well what do you know. I try to avoid referencing HuffPo but I just came across this headline:

Blue Dog Democrats Reach Out To GOP "About Joining Forces To Slow" Health Care

The Blue Dog revolt against the House leadership's health care overhaul took a new turn Tuesday morning, when a several members of the centrist faction made overtures to House Republicans about joining forces to slow and reshape the bill.

Republican aides said there was great interest among GOP lawmakers in trying to work with dissidents in the 52-member Blue Dog Coalition to try to stop the legislation. "Blue Dogs will be the main event all week," said one GOP aide, referring to efforts by Republicans to woo Blue Dogs.

Needless to say there are some exploding heads in the comments section and some references to "DINOs."

Link to article.

467 opnion  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 3:31:34pm

re: #457 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

If you can't win them over with charm, baffle them with bullshit.

Believe me, it works.

Got him elected, but he may be overplaying his hand.
One huge mistake imo is all of this exposure that he is getting.
It gets really tiresome to constantly be listening to him drone on.

468 Killgore Trout  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 3:31:39pm

re: #458 Killgore Trout

Huh, video didn't post right. Let me try that again: Freaky cat eats watermelon...

469 calcajun  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 3:31:39pm

re: #466 Gus 802

Well what do you know. I try to avoid referencing HuffPo but I just came across this headline:

Blue Dog Democrats Reach Out To GOP "About Joining Forces To Slow" Health Care

Needless to say there are some exploding heads in the comments section and some references to "DINOs."

Link to article.

Anybody check the daily temperature in Hell?

470 [deleted]  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 3:31:47pm
471 Killgore Trout  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 3:32:00pm

re: #465 calcajun

I don't think so.

472 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 3:32:38pm

re: #462 Killgore Trout

Saw OR just a day or two ago.

473 Gus  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 3:32:40pm

re: #469 calcajun

Anybody check the daily temperature in Hell?

Record low temps!

/But there's a drought in Texas.

/

474 Cathypop  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 3:32:49pm

re: #468 Killgore Trout

If at first you don't succeed, try, try again

475 Killgore Trout  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 3:33:08pm

Huh. that video won't embed for some reason. Direct link: Freaky cat eats watermelon

476 kansas  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 3:33:09pm

re: #464 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

"Congressman, what is it you say that you do do here?"

I vote for the bills my assistants write. I am a god damned people person.

477 Jewels (AKA Julian)  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 3:33:10pm

and now...some Evil

478 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 3:33:13pm

re: #465 calcajun

Nah.

479 [deleted]  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 3:33:20pm
480 Dianna  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 3:33:20pm

re: #471 Killgore Trout

I don't think so.

Occasional Reader's in Paris; I don't think Rawmuse could get banned, and (for people mentioning hangovers) I believe he's said he doesn't drink.

481 yochanan  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 3:33:30pm

[Link: www.boston.com...]

this is if you are rich and don't want a lawn.

482 J.S.  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 3:33:32pm

re: #468 Killgore Trout

still seems to be some problem..

483 Killgore Trout  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 3:33:33pm

re: #472 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Ah, ok.

484 callahan23  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 3:33:47pm

re: #465 calcajun

They weren't caught up in the massacre of last week, were they?

Definitely not. Occasional Reader was logged in only last Sunday for a lone post from Paris /France.

485 SixDegrees  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 3:33:48pm

re: #459 opnion

Yup, they are managing the funds for political purposes. Do ya think Congressional districts with at risk Democrats might get some of the money?

They can't be quite so blatant about it. But they can ramp up spending nationally with the amount of money we're talking about, spike the economy to make people think they've actually accomplished something, then take credit, win office and hunker down before the inflationary wave they've created washes ashore. At least, that will work for 2010.

Meanwhile, a lot of the money that is being spent is going to pay for items already allocated as part of the normal Federal budget - VA hospital repairs, food bank programs and the like. This will distort the actual budgeting process - with all these normal expenditures shifted from the ordinary budget onto the stimulus package (moving them to a different set of books) they'll claim that the difference is actually a "savings" and represents "reduced spending" even though it's just spending that's been shuffled into a different spreadsheet.

486 midwestgak  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 3:34:01pm

re: #463 calcajun

I liked the ones where he played opposite Patrick McGoohan-- they were close friends.

They did compliment each other.

487 Killgore Trout  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 3:34:26pm

re: #480 Dianna

Occasional Reader's in Paris;


Nice. I wish I was in Paris.

488 calcajun  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 3:34:28pm

re: #473 Gus 802

Record low temps!

/But there's a drought in Texas.

/

And according to Walter, it's a veritable monsoon in CO. Very odd.

489 kansas  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 3:35:10pm

re: #487 Killgore Trout

Nice. I wish I was in Paris.

That's lob shot. Who's gonna take it?

490 albusteve  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 3:35:13pm

cool slide show

491 Gus  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 3:35:23pm

Rawmuse is still registered. I think he just stopped coming to LGF.

492 J.S.  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 3:35:33pm

re: #480 Dianna

Rawmuse hasn't been around for months now...

493 Truck Monkey  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 3:36:05pm

re: #487 Killgore Trout

Nice. I wish I was in Paris.

Must. Resist.

494 yochanan  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 3:36:23pm

re: #469 calcajun

DINO & RINO'S UNITE!!
you have nothing to loose but the nuts.

495 Gus  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 3:36:30pm

re: #488 calcajun

And according to Walter, it's a veritable monsoon in CO. Very odd.

Coolest and rainiest I've ever seen. 70s for the rest of the week. Not that I mind. ;)

496 Kragar  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 3:36:48pm

re: #489 kansas

That's lob shot. Who's gonna take it?

Too easy.

Paris I mean.

497 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 3:37:18pm

re: #492 J.S.

I sure do like him.

498 Targetpractice  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 3:37:28pm

re: #466 Gus 802

Well what do you know. I try to avoid referencing HuffPo but I just came across this headline:

Blue Dog Democrats Reach Out To GOP "About Joining Forces To Slow" Health Care

Needless to say there are some exploding heads in the comments section and some references to "DINOs."

Link to article.

"It is said the people are revolting."

499 callahan23  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 3:37:34pm

re: #491 Gus 802

Rawmuse is still registered. I think he just stopped coming to LGF.

Rawmuse posted his last comment here on May 1st

500 opnion  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 3:37:35pm

re: #436 Truck Monkey

That is probably an abuse of the system that I could question. OTOH when Barry wants to take his wife out to a show or a burger or a dinner, I do not begrudge him the cost of such things. WTF is he supposed to do? Sit in the fishbowl and not go anywhere? I could not imagine a worse place to live then the White House, and it is made even more intolerable because of the kids. You really have to be an ego-maniac to want that job. Everything you do is a major production that costs real $$$.
/sorry, rant off.


It is the hypocricy. He lectured us about living the high life & eating whatever we want. He flies guy's in from ST. Louis to make Chicago pizza for one of his Wednesdy dinner patrties. He spends $40,000 for a summer rental on Mathas vineyard & makes the Sectret Service kick in.
Frieds of Michelle & her mothers friends are flown into DC for lunch on government aircraft.
It is really outrageous.

501 Gus  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 3:37:56pm

re: #488 calcajun

And according to Walter, it's a veritable monsoon in CO. Very odd.

Looking at the 9News forecast. Low of 49 for Wednesday night! Wow.

502 Kragar  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 3:38:37pm

re: #498 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

"It is said the people are revolting."

You said it, they stink on ice.

503 yochanan  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 3:38:38pm

DINO'S RINO'S & PUMA'S

504 CyanSnowHawk  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 3:39:12pm

re: #503 yochanan

DINO'S RINO'S & PUMA'S

Oh my.

505 SixDegrees  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 3:39:15pm

re: #466 Gus 802

Well what do you know. I try to avoid referencing HuffPo but I just came across this headline:

Blue Dog Democrats Reach Out To GOP "About Joining Forces To Slow" Health Care

Needless to say there are some exploding heads in the comments section and some references to "DINOs."

Link to article.

This is a critical step for the GOP to take; they have to realize that they cannot win, and can't even have any impact, without building coalitions with like-minded Democrats. Obviously, this will come at a cost. But that's the way the game is played. Offer some assistance in areas near and dear to Blue Dog hearts, and get this disastrous health care bill off the rails - and punch a symbolic hole in the White House aura of invincibility and predestination.

The fantasy scenario would be Waxman making good on his threat to take the bill to the floor and bypassing the E&C Committee where so many of the Blue Dogs are members, and having a large enough bloc of BD Dems decide to switch parties and throw majority back to the GOP.

Not gonna happen. But a more realistic partnering is certainly possible.

506 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 3:40:07pm

re: #417 opnion

My thought is that he has an agenda. He is not schooled in economics & it shows but he gets the basics. It looks like his plan is to drive us to a Socialist economic system to spread the misery.
I find it aggravating that he advises sacrafice to everybody else while they spend like drunken sailors.
Just one example, when the family traveled to Paris with Obama, Michelle & the kids flew over to London for the day for fish & chips.
I wonder what that cost?

Probably quite cheap--it's a very short hop by air.

507 Digital Display  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 3:40:08pm

re: #460 albusteve

bravado...not for every single person, no...look around you


Hi Steve.It's not bravado.. This isn't even the first Quarter of Obama's term...
We aren't even to half time...It takes strength, Foresight, Training and dedication to win any game..I don't know much about politics...But I know there is a price to paid to be a winner in any game...any situation...any

508 albusteve  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 3:41:08pm

I'm gonna keep posting this til you get it...
Grace Potter...
there is more to life than a continuous bitchfest...find a groove


509 midwestgak  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 3:41:53pm

re: #493 Truck Monkey

Must. Resist.

I spent ten minutes writing something that will never be posted.

Must. Resist.

510 Kragar  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 3:41:57pm

re: #503 yochanan

DINO'S RINO'S & PUMA'S

Can we trade them in for a couple of Cougars?

511 Kragar  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 3:42:40pm

re: #509 midwestgak

I spent ten minutes writing something that will never be posted.

Must. Resist.

Spill it. You know you want to.

512 opnion  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 3:42:42pm

re: #485 SixDegrees

That's why they say that 46 Million people insured in the government health plan will save money.
Seriously, I think that they intend to find savings by more denial of care under Medicare.

513 [deleted]  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 3:43:34pm
514 Digital Display  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 3:44:05pm

re: #509 midwestgak

I spent ten minutes writing something that will never be posted.

Must. Resist.


LOL
I know the feeling! I cut more posts than I really post here...

515 Sharmuta  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 3:44:08pm

A Beck fan is on a ding down spree downstairs.

516 [deleted]  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 3:44:47pm
517 Gus  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 3:44:48pm

re: #505 SixDegrees

This is a critical step for the GOP to take; they have to realize that they cannot win, and can't even have any impact, without building coalitions with like-minded Democrats. Obviously, this will come at a cost. But that's the way the game is played. Offer some assistance in areas near and dear to Blue Dog hearts, and get this disastrous health care bill off the rails - and punch a symbolic hole in the White House aura of invincibility and predestination.

The fantasy scenario would be Waxman making good on his threat to take the bill to the floor and bypassing the E&C Committee where so many of the Blue Dogs are members, and having a large enough bloc of BD Dems decide to switch parties and throw majority back to the GOP.

Not gonna happen. But a more realistic partnering is certainly possible.

I'm glad to see the Blue Dogs take a non-partisan approach and the GOP offering an alliance. It's been a while since we've seen some independence of thinking in congress since for a time it has been rather partisan and seemingly less than democratic at times. What comes of this remains to be seen. However, Blue Dogs tend to share a lot ideas with the GOP with respect to gun rights, abortion, free markets, etc.

518 Killgore Trout  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 3:45:23pm

Simon's Cat

519 opnion  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 3:45:45pm

re: #506 SanFranciscoZionist

Probably quite cheap--it's a very short hop by air.

No the first ladies aircraft has wing cover , secret service & an entourage.
I saw photos of them arriving. Lots of vehicles & cleared streets.

520 Sharmuta  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 3:45:49pm

Dinger: flbob10 - I wonder if he's ever posted a comment?

521 callahan23  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 3:46:08pm

re: #515 Sharmuta

A Beck fan is on a ding down spree downstairs.

Ooh, I detest down-dingers and see it only as a last resort dinging down.
%-)

522 albusteve  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 3:46:09pm

Taj
roots

523 callahan23  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 3:47:31pm

re: #520 Sharmuta

Dinger: flbob10 - I wonder if he's ever posted a comment?

Here is its stats:

flbob10
Karma: 5
Registered since: Dec 30, 2008 at 7:51 pm
No. of comments posted: 11
524 opnion  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 3:47:35pm

re: #513 buzzsawmonkey

Nah, they'll make the costs up in volume sales, like the suitmaker in the old joke.

There is a shortage of doctors right now, particularly GP's.
Under Obamacare med schools will have lots of empty seats.

525 Athos  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 3:47:37pm

re: #515 Sharmuta

A Beck fan is on a ding down spree downstairs.

A ding dong on a down ding spree, eh?

526 SixDegrees  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 3:47:41pm

re: #512 opnion

That's why they say that 46 Million people insured in the government health plan will save money.
Seriously, I think that they intend to find savings by more denial of care under Medicare.

In real life, there are no savings to be found down that road. Well, some. But chump change in relation to what would be needed to cover proposed costs.

527 Sharmuta  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 3:48:01pm

re: #525 Athos

A ding dong on a down ding spree, eh?

LOL!

528 SixDegrees  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 3:48:32pm

re: #517 Gus 802

I'm glad to see the Blue Dogs take a non-partisan approach and the GOP offering an alliance. It's been a while since we've seen some independence of thinking in congress since for a time it has been rather partisan and seemingly less than democratic at times. What comes of this remains to be seen. However, Blue Dogs tend to share a lot ideas with the GOP with respect to gun rights, abortion, free markets, etc.

Completely agree. The Devil's in the details, as always, but I view this as a potentially positive development, and hope for the best.

529 calcajun  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 3:49:49pm

re: #407 midwestgak

That's "Barbara"-- Miss Ellie from Dallas.

530 opnion  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 3:50:16pm

re: #526 SixDegrees

In real life, there are no savings to be found down that road. Well, some. But chump change in relation to what would be needed to cover proposed costs.

End of life care is very expensive & with Obama talking about pain pills & hospice I think that he plans to deny a lot of care.

531 callahan23  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 3:50:52pm

re: #529 calcajun

That's "Barbara"-- Miss Ellie from Dallas.

Sure 'nuff

532 CyanSnowHawk  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 3:51:03pm

re: #520 Sharmuta

Dinger: flbob10 - I wonder if he's ever posted a comment?

flbob10

Karma: 5
Registered since: Dec 30, 2008 at 7:51 pm
(Logged in)

No. of comments posted: 11
No. of links posted: 0

533 _RememberTonyC  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 3:52:07pm

also posted on the dead thread:
===
I find it interesting that the article said the north carolina jihadis were plotting terrorism overseas. I have heard about the jihadis looking for more western looking operatives in europe who arouse less suspicion than middle easterners. Did we just do europe a huge favor?

534 DEZes  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 3:52:22pm

re: #532 CyanSnowHawk

flbob10

Karma: 5
Registered since: Dec 30, 2008 at 7:51 pm
(Logged in)

No. of comments posted: 11
No. of links posted: 0

Looks like a job foe stinky.

535 opnion  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 3:53:21pm

re: #533 _RememberTonyC

also posted on the dead thread:
===
I find it interesting that the article said the north carolina jihadis were plotting terrorism overseas. I have heard about the jihadis looking for more western looking operatives in europe who arouse less suspicion than middle easterners. Did we just do europe a huge favor?

From the photos that I have seen, these guys don't look Western.

536 Sharmuta  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 3:54:09pm

re: #523 callahan23

re: #532 CyanSnowHawk

Thanks!

537 albusteve  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 3:54:46pm

no surprise there are no Taj Mahal fans here


538 _RememberTonyC  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 3:54:47pm

re: #535 opnion

From the photos that I have seen, these guys don't look Western.

two of them look western to me. the others, no. but even one can be lethal.

539 Gus  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 3:55:44pm

re: #534 DEZes

Looks like a job foe stinky.

I've noticed that a lot the serial dingers are future flouncers and end up getting blocked.

540 doppelganglander  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 3:56:08pm

re: #533 _RememberTonyC

also posted on the dead thread:
===
I find it interesting that the article said the north carolina jihadis were plotting terrorism overseas. I have heard about the jihadis looking for more western looking operatives in europe who arouse less suspicion than middle easterners. Did we just do europe a huge favor?

I think it means they did their plotting overseas. Boyd and his brother spent a lot of time in Pakistani training camps.

541 wrenchwench  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 3:56:09pm

re: #534 DEZes

Looks like a job foe stinky.

I don't think a ding-spree alone should be cause for the stick. Its first 6 comments are innocent enough.

542 Sharmuta  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 3:56:20pm

re: #516 buzzsawmonkey

Look on the bright side, Sharmuta--it keeps him off the street.

What's the street value of a down ding these days?

543 opnion  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 3:56:29pm

re: #538 _RememberTonyC

two of them look western to me. the others, no. but even one can be lethal.

I musn't have seen photos of those two. They could alll get life.
See ya.

544 Kragar  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 3:56:33pm

Anger after Bible defaced in British gallery

Artist Jane Clarke, a minister at the Metropolitan Community Church, asked visitors to annotate the Bible with stories and reflections, as a way of making it more inclusive.

But visitors to the gallery took the invitation a bit further than she had anticipated.

"This is all sexist pish, so disregard it all," wrote one person, while another described the Bible as "the biggest lie in human history" and a third wrote: "Mick Jagger and David Bowie belong in here."

On the first page of Genesis, the first book of the Bible, someone had written: "I am Bi, Female and Proud. I want no god who is disappointed in this."

Clarke said: "I had hoped that people would show respect for the Bible, for Christianity and indeed for the Gallery of Modern Art. I am saddened that some people have chosen to write offensive messages.

"Writing our names in the margins of a Bible was to show how we have been marginalised by many Christian churches, and also our desire to be included in God's love.

"As a young Christian I was encouraged by my church to write my own insights in the margins of the Bible I used for my daily devotions -- this was an extension of that idea."

545 _RememberTonyC  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 3:57:08pm

callahan ... what do you know about lightskinned jihadis in europe? is the german media doing stuff on it?

546 Kronocide  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 3:57:21pm

ALL YOUR DOWN DINGS ARE BERONG TO ARSE.

547 [deleted]  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 3:57:57pm
548 Tarkus289  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 3:58:05pm

14 or fight.

549 albusteve  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 3:58:21pm

re: #542 Sharmuta

What's the street value of a down ding these days?

heh...good one

550 Killgore Trout  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 3:58:30pm

Some interesting details...
Eighth suspect sought in North Carolina terrorism case

Sabrina Boyd, the wife of Daniel Patrick Boyd and the mother of the two younger Boyds, said the charges have not been substantiated.

"We are decent people who care about other human beings," Sabrina Boyd said in a statement read on her behalf by Khalilah Sabra.

"I have raised my sons to be good people, and we are a good family," she said, according to Sabra, the North Carolina director of the Muslim American Society's Freedom Foundation, a civic and human rights group.

Sabrina Boyd said in the statement that her husband had fought the Soviets in Afghanistan with the "full backing" of the U.S. government.

According to the indictment, Daniel Boyd and his sons left the United States for Israel in June 2007 to "engage in violent jihad but ultimately returned to the United States after failing in their efforts."

It said that Yaghi and Hassan had also traveled to Israel in June 2007 and that Daniel Boyd had lied to Customs and Border Protection agents at the Atlanta, Georgia, and Raleigh airports about intending to meet the two men in the Jewish state.

The indictment also said Daniel Boyd had traveled to Gaza in March 2006 "to introduce his son to individuals who also believed that violent jihad was a personal obligation on the part of every good Muslim."

The indictment mentions mentions other trips: by Sherifi to Kosovo in July 2008, by Yaghi to Jordan in October 2006, and by the unidentified defendant to Pakistan in October 2008.

All the trips were taken to "engage in violent jihad," the indictment alleges, without providing details.

Muslim American Society Freedom Foundation

Despite Islam's growth in America, there are certain groups in and outside of America that have long used bigoted distortions of Islam; portraying Muslims in America as seditious, dangerous, and totally incompatible with American life. Since the Sept. 11th tragedy, these same forces have intensified this vile propaganda with reckless abandonment.

Lol.

551 Sharmuta  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 3:58:35pm

5 down dings gets you a bag of crack, maybe?

552 Kronocide  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 3:58:45pm

re: #547 buzzsawmonkey

An interesting question, for which I have no answer.

Dude? 42 man. 42! Come on BSM!

553 SixDegrees  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 3:59:23pm

re: #530 opnion

End of life care is very expensive & with Obama talking about pain pills & hospice I think that he plans to deny a lot of care.

One problem with that approach: old people have the highest voter turnout of any demographic group. Try pulling something like that, and you'll see voter-imposed term limits kick in overnight.

554 DEZes  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 3:59:32pm

re: #541 wrenchwench

I don't think a ding-spree alone should be cause for the stick. Its first 6 comments are innocent enough.

I will leave that to the higher ups,

555 [deleted]  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 3:59:59pm
556 Killgore Trout  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 4:00:06pm

re: #537 albusteve

no surprise there are no Taj Mahal fans here

[Video]

Nobody liked my cat videos either. Tough crowd.

557 [deleted]  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 4:01:31pm
558 wrenchwench  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 4:01:36pm

re: #554 DEZes

I will leave that to the higher ups,

Of course. As it should be.

559 _RememberTonyC  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 4:02:16pm

re: #540 doppelganglander

I think it means they did their plotting overseas. Boyd and his brother spent a lot of time in Pakistani training camps.

killgore's post said another suspect was in kosovo. the balkans have been rumored to be providing the bulk of the lightskinned jihadis I mentioned. so that's why i think these guys could be connected to that network of terrorists.

560 callahan23  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 4:02:45pm

re: #545 _RememberTonyC

callahan ... what do you know about lightskinned jihadis in europe? is the german media doing stuff on it?

The German media is covering this new story only slightly.
The current story of rage/'uproar' is rather old, politicians as well as the state TV stations mouth off the Terrorist Finance Tracking Program (TFTP) and denounce it without further clarifying what it is about. "A typical storm in the water glass." Classical summer recess slow news news.

561 Racer X  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 4:03:07pm

re: #556 Killgore Trout

Nobody liked my cat videos either. Tough crowd.

I could not get it to play!

I did like the cat wheel in one link though.

:-)

562 wrenchwench  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 4:03:10pm

re: #556 Killgore Trout

Nobody liked my cat videos either. Tough crowd.

The watermelon one wouldn't even play at the direct link.

As for Taj, I saw him 3 times. Once he was great, once he was good, and once he phoned it in.

563 albusteve  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 4:03:48pm

downding this...


564 CyanSnowHawk  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 4:04:04pm

re: #551 Sharmuta

5 down dings gets you a bag of crack, maybe?

Sometimes that's not all bad.

Other times, it is.

565 Killgore Trout  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 4:04:30pm

re: #562 wrenchwench

The watermelon one wouldn't even play at the direct link.


That's odd. There must be something goofy with the format of that video.

566 albusteve  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 4:04:39pm

re: #556 Killgore Trout

Nobody liked my cat videos either. Tough crowd.

no shit...I liked your cat vid, I should have said so...I'm surfin...post on bro

567 Randall Gross  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 4:04:48pm

Woohoo! Dollhouse is coming back for a second season.

[Link: www.comicbookresources.com...]

568 _RememberTonyC  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 4:05:30pm

re: #560 callahan23

thanks callahan ... appreciate your perspective

569 Cathypop  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 4:06:14pm

re: #556 Killgore Trout
HEH! I up-dinged the cat video and Taj Mahal

570 albusteve  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 4:06:25pm

I open every vid and every link...takes time
albusteve

571 _RememberTonyC  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 4:06:47pm

the red sox are retiriing Jim Rice's #14 in boston right now. he was a great player and a much better man than the boston media portrayed him during his career.

572 Killgore Trout  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 4:07:27pm

Ugh, it's 105 degrees here in Portland today. Too hot to even move.

573 debutaunt  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 4:07:53pm

re: #370 opnion

I see talk about Alfed Hitchcock Presents upthread.
My favorite was the one where the woman murdered her husband with a frozen leg of lamb.
She thawed it while the police were investigating & served it to them for dinner. Problem solved

But she was caught later when she tried it again and the lamb leg had defrosted!

574 wrenchwench  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 4:08:39pm

re: #570 albusteve

I open every vid and every link...takes time
albusteve

I have 4 YouTubes cued up for later when I have time, which seems to never arrive.

Later.

575 Racer X  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 4:09:06pm

re: #572 Killgore Trout

Ugh, it's 105 degrees here in Portland today. Too hot to even move.

Its only 95 here in L.A.

So glad Global Warmening is finally over!

576 yochanan  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 4:09:12pm

first warm day this month in chi town and it just got up to what is the normal late july temp.

577 BatGuano  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 4:09:13pm

Hi lizards, speaking of down dings, is there an "official" policy on that? Obviously, serially down dinging is pointless, but are there guidelines?

578 [deleted]  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 4:09:37pm
579 Kragar  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 4:09:54pm

re: #577 BatGuano

Hi lizards, speaking of down dings, is there an "official" policy on that? Obviously, serially down dinging is pointless, but are there guidelines?

Yeah, dont be a douchebag

580 debutaunt  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 4:10:21pm

re: #577 BatGuano

Hi lizards, speaking of down dings, is there an "official" policy on that? Obviously, serially down dinging is pointless, but are there guidelines?

Just use common sense and take it easy on me.

581 yochanan  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 4:10:57pm

re: #577 BatGuano

i don't do it but isn't it just a form of free speech?

582 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 4:11:09pm

re: #519 opnion

No the first ladies aircraft has wing cover , secret service & an entourage.
I saw photos of them arriving. Lots of vehicles & cleared streets.

Pricey, then. I wasn't thinking, they can't just fly the commuter hop, can they? But heck, it costs a fortune to get them over there anyhow...

583 Desert Dog  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 4:11:17pm

re: #572 Killgore Trout

Ugh, it's 105 degrees here in Portland today. Too hot to even move.

Wow, cool :-) I wish we had that

584 albusteve  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 4:11:44pm

re: #578 buzzsawmonkey

I love the 4 You Tubes. I have all their CDs.

ooohh...pithy

how about these guys

585 debutaunt  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 4:12:30pm

re: #572 Killgore Trout

Ugh, it's 105 degrees here in Portland today. Too hot to even move.


How old are the records being broken?

586 albusteve  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 4:12:44pm

the Tubes suck...really bad shit

587 albusteve  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 4:13:54pm

re: #585 debutaunt

How old are the records being broken?

I really protect my old records...I consider them priceless

588 Digital Display  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 4:14:25pm

re: #586 albusteve

the Tubes suck...really bad shit

they had a couple of good songs...

589 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 4:14:31pm

re: #533 _RememberTonyC

also posted on the dead thread:
===
I find it interesting that the article said the north carolina jihadis were plotting terrorism overseas. I have heard about the jihadis looking for more western looking operatives in europe who arouse less suspicion than middle easterners. Did we just do europe a huge favor?

Dunno. It seems to me that Chechens would be easier to recruit than Americans--Bosnians too, but Bosnians haven't shown much interest in jihadding.

590 debutaunt  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 4:14:34pm

re: #587 albusteve

I really protect my old records...I consider them priceless

78's ?

591 albusteve  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 4:14:48pm

re: #577 BatGuano

Hi lizards, speaking of down dings, is there an "official" policy on that? Obviously, serially down dinging is pointless, but are there guidelines?

don't ding...works for me

592 albusteve  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 4:15:20pm

re: #590 debutaunt

78's ?

78s 79s...all of them

593 albusteve  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 4:15:43pm

re: #588 HoosierHoops

they had a couple of good songs...

no they didn't

594 Gus  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 4:16:06pm

re: #585 debutaunt

How old are the records being broken?

000
SXUS76 KPQR 280325 CCA
RERPQR

RECORD EVENT REPORT...CORRECTED VANCOUVER RECORD
NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE PORTLAND OREGON
728 PM PDT MON JUL 27 2009

...RECORD SETTING HEAT TODAY FOR THE INTERIOR VALLEYS...

TEMPERATURES SOARED ACROSS SOUTHWEST WASHINGTON AND NORTHWEST OREGON
THIS AFTERNOON AS A STRONG UPPER LEVEL RIDGE OF HIGH PRESSURE BUILT
ACROSS THE REGION. NEARLY ALL REPORTING STATIONS IN THE INLAND
VALLEYS HAVE REACHED 100 DEGREES TODAY. PREVIOUS JULY HEAT WAVES IN
1958 AND 1998 HAVE SET THE RECORDS FAIRLY HIGH FOR JULY 27...
THEREFORE JUST A FEW SITES HAVE BROKEN THEIR RECORDS AT THIS POINT.

THESE ARE PRELIMINARY HIGH TEMPERATURES AS OF 7 PM PDT.

...NEW RECORDS FOR JULY 27...

LOCATION NEW RECORD OLD RECORD
===
PORTLAND AIRPORT 103 102 (SET IN 1958)

...OTHER HIGH TEMPERATURES NEAR RECORDS TODAY...

LOCATION HIGH TODAY EXISTING RECORD
AS OF 7 PM
===
PORTLAND DOWNTOWN 102 104 (SET IN 1958)

595 Gus  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 4:16:59pm

re: #585 debutaunt

How old are the records being broken?

1958

596 Desert Dog  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 4:18:00pm

re: #594 Gus 802

That is hot for you guys...wow. I am so numbed to the heat here right now...one 110+ after another for us poor desert dwellers lately. Oh well, it is supposed to be that hot now.

597 Digital Display  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 4:18:16pm

re: #593 albusteve

no they didn't

Music and wine are similar.. Everyone can disagree but everyone can be right at the same time...
She's a one in a million..a one in a million girl..
I liked that song...

598 Gus  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 4:18:19pm

re: #596 Desert Dog

That is hot for you guys...wow. I am so numbed to the heat here right now...one 110+ after another for us poor desert dwellers lately. Oh well, it is supposed to be that hot now.

I'm in Denver. ;)

599 debutaunt  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 4:18:20pm

re: #594 Gus 802

The deadly 1958 global warming must have been awful.

600 albusteve  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 4:18:35pm

I love these Sunday afternoon threads...

601 albusteve  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 4:19:38pm

re: #597 HoosierHoops

Music and wine are similar.. Everyone can disagree but everyone can be right at the same time...
She's a one in a million..a one in a million girl..
I liked that song...

shake it off...get back in the game

602 Pvt Bin Jammin  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 4:19:49pm

Hi lizards. I don't know what the general consensus is here with regard to Mike Gallagher but if you go to his site and click on the eagle there is a health care petition. They need a million signatures:

[Link: www.mikeonline.com...]

603 Gus  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 4:20:11pm

re: #596 Desert Dog

That is hot for you guys...wow. I am so numbed to the heat here right now...one 110+ after another for us poor desert dwellers lately. Oh well, it is supposed to be that hot now.

We've had a few 100 degree days here in the past. I stay indoors. Once it hit 113 and I didn't have any AC. My brain melted and the beer just made matters worse.

604 Killgore Trout  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 4:20:13pm

re: #585 debutaunt

Not too old. The previous record was 101 in 1998.

605 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 4:21:39pm

Vay's mir--now Gates and Crowley are cousins.

Brief note on what is otherwise a goofy and goopy story--basically everyone with any Irish ancestry is descended from Niall of the Nine Hostages, or whoever that guy actually was (it's a genetic line that seems to start at the right time, but it's still speculation)--like Genghis Khan, he has so many descendents that it's sort of not worth counting the descent as family per se.

606 Killgore Trout  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 4:21:56pm

re: #594 Gus 802

Hmm. It seems Weather Underground is full of shit.

607 BatGuano  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 4:22:33pm

re: #591 albusteve

don't ding...works for me

Me too. I rarely down ding. I down ding only in egregious cases of racism, intentional disruption of a discussion, etc. Some down ding just because they disagree with a point.

608 Killgore Trout  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 4:23:18pm

Time lapse video of yesterday on Coos Bay (WMV file). It takes a little while to load but it's a pretty cool one.

609 Gus  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 4:23:32pm

re: #606 Killgore Trout

Hmm. It seems Weather Underground is full of shit.

I'm using NOAA:

[Link: www.weather.gov...]

Check on "Record Event Report" on the left, highlight Portland, and then click "Archived Data" on the right and pick a date.

610 Pvt Bin Jammin  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 4:24:03pm

re: #607 BatGuano

Me too. I rarely down ding. I down ding only in egregious cases of racism, intentional disruption of a discussion, etc. Some down ding just because they disagree with a point.

I don't down ding very much either and if I do it usually has to do with attitude.

611 Gus  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 4:24:08pm

For other weather stations start here:

[Link: www.nws.noaa.gov...]

612 Racer X  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 4:24:24pm

re: #597 HoosierHoops

Music and wine are similar.. Everyone can disagree but everyone can be right at the same time...
She's a one in a million..a one in a million girl..
I liked that song...

But don't fall in love.

She's a Beauty

I like the Tubes.

613 debutaunt  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 4:24:40pm

re: #604 Killgore Trout

Not too old. The previous record was 101 in 1998.

And 1958 prior to that?

614 callahan23  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 4:27:11pm

re: #612 Racer X

But don't fall in love.

She's a Beauty

I like the Tubes.

Aw, shucks I can't watch it: "This video is not available in your country due to copyright restrictions."
Darn them Olde Europeans.

615 Killgore Trout  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 4:27:23pm

re: #613 debutaunt

Gus' info is better.

616 Gus  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 4:27:56pm

re: #615 Killgore Trout

Gus' info is better.

NOAA =)

617 LGoPs  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 4:29:10pm
.
618 _RememberTonyC  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 4:29:17pm

I just read a little bit about Robespierre. And there are some similarities between he and Barack Obama.

619 albusteve  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 4:29:23pm

re: #612 Racer X

But don't fall in love.

She's a Beauty

I like the Tubes.

you can like anybody you want...the beauty of America...but to disregard Taj Mahal in favor of the Tubes is so bizarre and beyond my vibe, it's actually alien...the Tubes and their fans are aliens...they don't come from where I come from...no offense

620 Spenser (with an S)  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 4:29:24pm

Had grilled whole Rainbow Trout for dinner. Yum. The kids said "Rainbow Fish?" (happy, crappy, share it all kids book). I said "Yep, he got so weak from never competing in games and learning how to survive that he was easy to catch. Remember, second place is first loser".

621 Gus  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 4:29:29pm

re: #617 LGoPs

..

622 LGoPs  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 4:30:14pm

re: #621 Gus 802

..

I was just trying to make a point.
:)

623 BatGuano  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 4:30:17pm

re: #612 Racer X

My favorite Tubes song, from high my school years. A live version of "Don't Touch me There"

624 debutaunt  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 4:30:17pm

re: #615 Killgore Trout

Gus' info is better.

The Bill Ayers group is unreliable?

625 Gus  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 4:30:52pm

re: #622 LGoPs

I was just trying to make a point.
:)

I added a second point. ;)

626 Gus  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 4:31:34pm

I guess someone didn't like that.

627 LGoPs  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 4:32:01pm

re: #626 Gus 802

I guess someone didn't like that.

Jeez Loueeez...

628 Racer X  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 4:32:06pm

re: #619 albusteve

you can like anybody you want...the beauty of America...but to disregard Taj Mahal in favor of the Tubes is so bizarre and beyond my vibe, it's actually alien...the Tubes and their fans are aliens...they don't come from where I come from...no offense

"Your music sucks. No offense."

LOL!

629 yochanan  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 4:32:10pm

re: #617 LGoPs

that is getting old been done around here a bit too much.

630 LGoPs  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 4:32:52pm

re: #626 Gus 802

I guess someone didn't like that.

Same with mine. And I thought it was such a small uncontentious point...
:(

631 Gus  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 4:33:24pm

re: #630 LGoPs

Same with mine. And I thought it was such a small uncontentious point...
:(

Like they say, there's always a critic. /

632 albusteve  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 4:33:47pm

re: #628 Racer X

"Your music sucks. No offense."

LOL!

GUARDS!...off to the Manilow ReEd Center!...enjoy your stay!

633 LGoPs  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 4:34:14pm

re: #629 yochanan

that is getting old been done around here a bit too much.

Ok. Next time I'll jump into a thread with a loud and hearty *Thwump*

634 yochanan  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 4:34:23pm

< the critic

635 Racer X  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 4:34:24pm

re: #623 BatGuano

I saw The Tubes live - they put on an awesome show.

636 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 4:35:32pm

re: #632 albusteve

GUARDS!...off to the Manilow ReEd Center!...enjoy your stay!

Cool! I'm a Fanilow!

637 albusteve  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 4:35:54pm

re: #635 Racer X

I saw The Tubes live - they put on an awesome show.

I saw the Stones live-they put on an awsome show...your turn

638 BatGuano  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 4:35:58pm

re: #635 Racer X

I would have loved to have seen that.

639 Digital Display  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 4:36:06pm

re: #632 albusteve

GUARDS!...off to the Manilow ReEd Center!...enjoy your stay!

I heard a comedian once say...What kind of world do we live in where somebody can shoot Lennon yet they let Barry Manilow live?

640 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 4:36:57pm

re: #639 HoosierHoops

Not funny.

And, Dennis Leary.

641 yochanan  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 4:37:05pm

re: #639 HoosierHoops

I heard a comedian once say...What kind of world do we live in where somebody can shoot Lennon yet they let Barry Manilow live?

and they let yoho ono live too.

642 Racer X  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 4:37:22pm

re: #637 albusteve

I saw the Stones live-they put on an awsome show...your turn

Excuse me while I whip this out...

643 Gus  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 4:37:59pm

re: #639 HoosierHoops

I heard a comedian once say...What kind of world do we live in where somebody can shoot Lennon yet they let Barry Manilow live?

Hmmm. Did Barry Manilow have an alibi for that day? /

644 Digital Display  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 4:38:08pm

re: #640 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Not funny.

And, Dennis Leary.

I'm just quoting here...But when he said it..the way he said it...was pretty funny...

645 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 4:38:11pm

re: #641 yochanan

and they let yoho ono live too.

"Wouldn't this world be better off if that guy had aimed just a little to his left?"
-Judy Tenuta

646 albusteve  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 4:38:12pm

re: #639 HoosierHoops

I heard a comedian once say...What kind of world do we live in where somebody can shoot Lennon yet they let Barry Manilow live?

because Manilow doesn't count for anything...he's totally forgettable...Lennon was a target because he mattered

647 callahan23  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 4:38:14pm

I am gonna call it a day. Need to be alert tomorrow as I will see an old-time friend. She is a good looking. ;-)
Gals 'n guys, Lizards and 'menschen'. See y'all down the road.
I love you (Lizardim} - mostly. Really!

648 Sharmuta  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 4:38:24pm

re: #639 HoosierHoops

I heard a comedian once say...What kind of world do we live in where somebody can shoot Lennon yet they let Barry Manilow live?

That was Dennis Leary but he said it about John and Yoko. On Manilow he said, "Here's ten dollars, bring me the head of Barry Manilow".

Sorry, FBV.

649 yochanan  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 4:38:33pm

re: #642 Racer X

Excuse me while I whip this out...

self love is better than none at all...

650 Gus  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 4:38:45pm

re: #647 callahan23

I am gonna call it a day. Need to be alert tomorrow as I will see an old-time friend. She is a good looking. ;-)
Gals 'n guys, Lizards and 'menschen'. See y'all down the road.
I love you (Lizardim} - mostly. Really!

Later Callahan.

651 DEZes  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 4:38:47pm

re: #647 callahan23

I am gonna call it a day. Need to be alert tomorrow as I will see an old-time friend. She is a good looking. ;-)
Gals 'n guys, Lizards and 'menschen'. See y'all down the road.
I love you (Lizardim} - mostly. Really!

Take care buddy.

652 albusteve  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 4:39:00pm

re: #642 Racer X

Excuse me while I whip this out...

let me grab my magnifying glass...oh my!...yes you do!

653 DEZes  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 4:39:13pm

re: #649 yochanan

self love is better than none at all...

TMI. ;)

654 yochanan  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 4:39:57pm

re: #653 DEZes

girls don't do that YEAH RIGHT

655 Racer X  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 4:40:13pm

re: #652 albusteve

let me grab my magnifying glass...oh my!...yes you do!

Hey!

LOL!

656 Spenser (with an S)  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 4:40:21pm

re: #645 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

"Wouldn't this world be better off if that guy had aimed just a little to his left?"
-Judy Tenuta

And what if Mama Cass had shared her ham sandwich with Karen Carpenter?

657 JacksonTn  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 4:40:21pm

Room Service! ...

Hey ya'll ... Happy Tuesday ...

658 DEZes  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 4:41:00pm

re: #654 yochanan

girls don't do that YEAH RIGHT

Heh.

659 Digital Display  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 4:41:19pm

re: #657 JacksonTn

Room Service! ...

Hey ya'll ... Happy Tuesday ...

Hey you! Hope today finds you well!

660 Gus  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 4:41:39pm

re: #642 Racer X

Excuse me while I whip this out...

I always thought it was scuse me while I whip this out.

661 snowcrash  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 4:41:42pm

Bye Cal. Have fun.

662 JacksonTn  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 4:41:57pm

re: #659 HoosierHoops

Hey you! Hope today finds you well!

HH ... yes good ... hungry ...

663 albusteve  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 4:42:33pm

re: #660 Gus 802

I always thought it was scuse me while I whip this out.

no it's...'scuse me while I kiss this guy

664 FrogMarch  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 4:42:51pm
665 Gus  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 4:42:53pm

re: #663 albusteve

no it's...'scuse me while I kiss this guy

SKY!

//

666 _RememberTonyC  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 4:43:31pm

Here's a must read piece from someone who has been in iran recently.

[Link: www.frontpagemag.com...]

It notes that on July 30th, it is the 40th day since the killing of Neda. And that 40th day after a death is a day for commemoration in islam. So Thursday could be very interesting in iran.

667 DEZes  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 4:43:53pm

re: #663 albusteve

no it's...'scuse me while I kiss this guy

Not something I wanna see.

668 Taqyia2Me  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 4:44:04pm

re: #664 FrogMarch

Hi all.
Big Daddy Government is ruining New Jersey.

Their governor is a native Illinoisan, 'nuff said.

669 Gus  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 4:44:42pm

re: #664 FrogMarch

Hi all.
Big Daddy Government is ruining New Jersey.

Italian problem? Oh boy, I can see the letters now.

670 Tarkus289  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 4:45:00pm

re: #666 _RememberTonyC

Wow, that was 38 days ago, time is flying these days.
R.I.P. Neda.

671 yochanan  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 4:45:31pm

re: #664 FrogMarch

Hi all.
Big Daddy Government is ruining New Jersey.

RIVIT RIVIT translation very good post frogmarch

672 Truck Monkey  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 4:45:31pm

re: #660 Gus 802

I always thought it was scuse me while I whip this out.

Let's go to the videotape!

*channeling Warner Wolf*

673 DEZes  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 4:46:24pm

I better get Lizards.
Thanks for the company.

674 Gus  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 4:46:30pm

re: #672 Truck Monkey

Let's go to the videotape!

[Video]

*channeling Warner Wolf*

Ah, so it is excuse me.

/Nevermind

675 Gus  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 4:46:49pm

re: #673 DEZes

I better get Lizards.
Thanks for the company.

Have a good one DEZes.

676 _RememberTonyC  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 4:47:27pm

re: #673 DEZes

I better get Lizards.
Thanks for the company.

cya 'dude

677 Truck Monkey  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 4:47:56pm

re: #673 DEZes

I better get Lizards.
Thanks for the company.

What do you think you might need them for?

678 Wide Right  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 4:48:45pm

Anyone wanna go out drinkin?

679 snowcrash  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 4:49:07pm

CYA later, DEZ.

680 CyanSnowHawk  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 4:49:21pm

re: #664 FrogMarch

Hi all.
Big Daddy Government is ruining New Jersey.

I thought Don Garlits got out of politics when his Congressional run in FL ended in defeat.

681 _RememberTonyC  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 4:49:29pm

re: #647 callahan23

I am gonna call it a day. Need to be alert tomorrow as I will see an old-time friend. She is a good looking. ;-)
Gals 'n guys, Lizards and 'menschen'. See y'all down the road.
I love you (Lizardim} - mostly. Really!

sweet dreams

682 albusteve  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 4:50:56pm

the Tubes...NOT

Del Mac

683 tradewind  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 4:53:35pm

Flying Pig Alert:
That this came from CNN boggles the mind, but kudos to them anyway. It's obvious now that TOTUS and his friend Henry Gates literally invented a racial profiling incident... but why? To add to O's portfolio of ' teachable moments' ?
[Link: newsbusters.org...]

684 Capitalistincharge  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 4:53:38pm

Evening Lizards; Of note...The State Dept. has revoked the visa's of the Honduran Diplomats. I am stunned that America would revoke visa's of diplomats of the "interim" Government, who is democratic, yet not revoke AhmadinnerJacket or Chavez! And so I got curious as to why...
Lizards, Google "Soros and Zelaya" and be as horrified as I was. Start connecting the dots for one, great big, huge...WTF!!??!!!

685 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 4:54:11pm

I just saw a healthcare commercial.

The President and the Congress have put together a plan... Glad I didn't have a hard object to throw. Damn 55" flatscreen Samsung.

It's nice.

686 FrogMarch  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 4:54:13pm

re: #669 Gus 802

Italian problem? Oh boy, I can see the letters now.

Maybe not the best choice for a title.

687 FrogMarch  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 4:54:43pm

ooo look pretty.

688 Gus  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 4:54:45pm

re: #686 FrogMarch

Maybe not the best choice for a title.

Probably not. I know that's caused a ruckus before.

689 medaura18586  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 4:55:23pm

I finally overcame my months-long block and published a small blog post -- a baby step in preparation for a big piece. It feels like giving birth... Millionaires' surtax, anyone?

690 yochanan  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 4:56:42pm

re: #684 Capitalistincharge

Evening Lizards; Of note...The State Dept. has revoked the visa's of the Honduran Diplomats. I am stunned that America would revoke visa's of diplomats of the "interim" Government, who is democratic, yet not revoke AhmadinnerJacket or Chavez! And so I got curious as to why...
Lizards, Google "Soros and Zelaya" and be as horrified as I was. Start connecting the dots for one, great big, huge...WTF!!??!!!

this will be a clusterfuck

691 tradewind  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 4:57:18pm

And more GateGate:
It's getting to be codified that in order to be a FOO**, you must be in trouble with the IRS.
[Link: taxprof.typepad.com...]

692 albusteve  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 4:58:33pm

you out there JacksonTen?...dig this

693 CyanSnowHawk  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 4:59:59pm

re: #691 tradewind

And more GateGate:

Please tell me the media isn't using that one.

694 ArmyWife  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 5:00:02pm

Hola, Honcos! Another storming evening in VA!

695 tradewind  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 5:00:06pm

re: #663 albusteve

... ever leave your pizza burnin'?

696 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 5:00:33pm

re: #618 _RememberTonyC

I just read a little bit about Robespierre. And there are some similarities between he and Barack Obama.

Robespierre was decapitated by thet thar new-fangled beheading machine.

697 Catttt  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 5:01:08pm

Fangirling with girls from India, Israel, NY, NJ (Muslim girl), and Philippines. We have Adam Lambert and Kradam in common. We are totally sistas, y'all.

World will never be the same - the genie is out of the bottle.

698 calcajun  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 5:01:13pm

re: #642 Racer X

Excuse me while I whip this out...

Hmm. What are you trying to say here? Kosher Vienna Sausage? I don't think so.

699 tradewind  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 5:01:36pm

re: #693 CyanSnowHawk

Dunno, but if they do they'll have to pay me royalties.
/not/...
Was really being sarcastic re how every single scandal now ends in gate. Kinda cool that Henry Louis has that last name, though. Fits him well...

700 mksmash  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 5:01:44pm

This would be entered under the heading "I don't know what you do with that information, but..."

So on this forum they are discussing some comments about DNA testing made by Prof. Gates of Cambridge. There is some doubt about whether race can be dermined by DNA testing and the give and take becomes somewhat heated.

In the middle of all this, one poster declares: "There is no scientific basis for white people."

I have been contemplating the cosmic significance of that statement for three days now.

701 calcajun  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 5:01:50pm

re: #696 Alouette

Robespierre was decapitated by thet thar new-fangled beheading machine.

Early French version of the Slap-chopper?

702 Truck Monkey  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 5:02:16pm

re: #695 tradewind

... ever leave your pizza burnin'?

Exactly what part of me is my 'pizza'?
/

703 albusteve  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 5:02:24pm

re: #695 tradewind

... ever leave your pizza burnin'?

all the time...it's all about the music

704 FrogMarch  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 5:02:37pm

re: #688 Gus 802

Probably not. I know that's caused a ruckus before.

Lousy title - but the fact remains.: Big government always attracts corruption, and kills local economies.

705 ArmyWife  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 5:03:03pm

re: #618 _RememberTonyC

WHAT?!? you mean it's worse than being Kenyan? He's...he's...FRENCH?

706 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 5:03:11pm

re: #700 mksmash

This would be entered under the heading "I don't know what you do with that information, but..."

So on this forum they are discussing some comments about DNA testing made by Prof. Gates of Cambridge. There is some doubt about whether race can be dermined by DNA testing and the give and take becomes somewhat heated.

In the middle of all this, one poster declares: "There is no scientific basis for white people."

I have been contemplating the cosmic significance of that statement for three days now.

Well, bumblebees can't fly, according to physicists, but they continue to do it anyway--similarly, I persist in being white despite the lack of science behind it...

Wait, did they solve the bumblebee thing?

707 _RememberTonyC  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 5:03:36pm

re: #696 Alouette

Robespierre was decapitated by thet thar new-fangled beheading machine.

yes he was ... but it was what he was prior to that where the parallels with POTUS can be seen.

708 Racer X  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 5:03:38pm
Alberto Contador's Comments Reveal True Feelings for Lance Armstrong

With the Tour de France over, Alberto Contador didn't hold back from commenting on Lance Armstrong and showing how he really felt about his Astana teammate. Contador maintained three weeks of near silence about his tense relationship with Armstrong, but it was only a matter of time before he spoke out.

"My relationship with Lance is zero," Contador said at a news conference. "He is a great rider and had completed a great race, but it is another thing on a personal level, where I never had great admiration for him and I never will."

One day after winning his second Tour, the Spanish rider said it's good that they'll be moving on. Armstrong, a seven-time Tour winner, will ride for new Team RadioShack after the close of this season. Contador also wants to sign with another team.

"On this Tour, the days in the hotel were harder than those on the road," Contador added. "The situation was tense and delicate because the relationship between myself and Lance extended to the rest of the staff."

It didn't take long for Lance to respond to Contador's criticism, via his Twitter of course. On Monday night, Armstrong tweeted the following: "Seeing these comments from AC. If I were him I'd drop this drivel and start thanking his team. w/o them, he doesn't win."

Emphasis mine. Lance has always been gracious to thank his teammates. Good luck winning #3 Alberto.

709 tradewind  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 5:03:44pm

re: #702 Truck Monkey

The beast part.

710 CyanSnowHawk  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 5:03:51pm

re: #699 tradewind

Dunno, but if they do they'll have to pay me royalties.
/not/...
Was really being sarcastic re how every single scandal now ends in gate. Kinda cool that Henry Louis has that last name, though. Fits him well...

There was some backlash over *gate use last year, but this one may to good to resist for some talking head trying to look clever.

711 calcajun  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 5:04:47pm

Good news -- Brett Farve is staying retired this year. One less bit of drama.

712 Racer X  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 5:04:50pm

re: #698 calcajun

Hmm. What are you trying to say here? Kosher Vienna Sausage? I don't think so.

Steve wanted to start a pissing match over who's music was better. I didn't want to show up empty handed.

;-)

713 CyanSnowHawk  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 5:05:32pm

re: #701 calcajun

Early French version of the Slap-chopper?

You're gonna love my nuts!

714 _RememberTonyC  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 5:05:33pm

re: #705 ArmyWife

WHAT?!? you mean it's worse than being Kenyan? He's...he's...FRENCH?

hah ... both were smooth talking lawyers, inexperienced in real leadership who wanted to transform the system

715 ArmyWife  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 5:06:25pm

re: #706 SanFranciscoZionist

Yes. No one TOLD the bumblebee's they couldn't fly, so they continue to do so. Now we've been told we can't exist. Oh dear.

716 calcajun  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 5:06:46pm

re: #713 CyanSnowHawk

I have so got to get one of those!

717 Gus  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 5:07:03pm

re: #704 FrogMarch

Lousy title - but the fact remains.: Big government always attracts corruption, and kills local economies.

Yeah, although corruption is almost a tradition in New Jersey. There tends to be a great deal of insular groupings. I will say that New Jersey has a Corzine-Problem. If Christie wins he might get control of the taxation nightmare in NJ. The corruption matter will always be a tough nut to crack.

My first job in NJ one of our client's father was "knocked off" after they released him from prison. Apparently he "sung like a bird" for a reduced sentence and they weren't too happy about it.

718 _RememberTonyC  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 5:07:39pm

'puter is about to die ... later all!

719 calcajun  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 5:07:57pm

re: #714 _RememberTonyC

hah ... both were smooth talking lawyers, inexperienced in real leadership who wanted to transform the system

Psychopaths-- don't forget they were psychopaths with the whole "gotta break a few eggs" mentality.

720 Catttt  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 5:07:58pm

Anyone see William Shatner reciting Gov. Palin's speech as a poem? It was awesome, keeping in mind that I'm a huge Shatner fan.

721 ArmyWife  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 5:08:04pm

re: #714 _RememberTonyC

May their fates be as opposite as they can be.

722 lobo91  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 5:08:19pm

re: #715 ArmyWife

Yes. No one TOLD the bumblebee's they couldn't fly, so they continue to do so. Now we've been told we can't exist. Oh dear.

Is that like the way Wile E. Coyote doesn't fall until he looks down and sees that he's in mid-air?

723 albusteve  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 5:08:24pm

non musical...that's cool

724 tradewind  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 5:08:55pm

Well, GatesGate**... not sure about how clever they'd look . Don't have to go far for that one.
But hell's bells... it's more of a fit than most of the MSM stretches we're fed, so GatesGate is okay.
**(Forgot the 's' last post)

725 FrogMarch  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 5:08:58pm

re: #717 Gus 802

Yeah, although corruption is almost a tradition in New Jersey. There tends to be a great deal of insular groupings. I will say that New Jersey has a Corzine-Problem. If Christie wins he might get control of the taxation nightmare in NJ. The corruption matter will always be a tough nut to crack.

My first job in NJ one of our client's father was "knocked off" after they released him from prison. Apparently he "sung like a bird" for a reduced sentence and they weren't too happy about it.

I find it hard to understand why the folks don't revolt at the ballot box.
I agree - once big daddy government gets in, it's hard to get him out.

726 CyanSnowHawk  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 5:09:42pm

re: #720 Cattt

Anyone see William Shatner reciting Gov. Palin's speech as a poem? It was awesome, keeping in mind that I'm a huge Shatner fan.

I prefer the fit and athletic, early Capt. Kirk Shatner myself, but to each their own.
/

727 calcajun  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 5:09:50pm

re: #720 Cattt

Anyone see William Shatner reciting Gov. Palin's speech as a poem? It was awesome, keeping in mind that I'm a huge Shatner fan.

The man's speaking cadence
is
like an
ee cummings
poem

728 Truck Monkey  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 5:10:02pm

re: #720 Cattt

Anyone see William Shatner reciting Gov. Palin's speech as a poem? It was awesome, keeping in mind that I'm a huge Shatner fan.

Then you will appreciate this.

729 calcajun  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 5:10:25pm

re: #726 CyanSnowHawk

I prefer the fit and athletic, early Capt. Kirk Shatner myself, but to each their own.
/


Yeah-- the two-legged high kick is a howler.

730 Digital Display  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 5:10:41pm

re: #721 ArmyWife

May their fates be as opposite as they can be.

Army wife! always nice seeing you here!
How is that stud hero of a husband?
Hope you are well

731 Gus  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 5:10:52pm

re: #725 FrogMarch

I find it hard to understand why the folks don't revolt at the ballot box.
I agree - once big daddy government gets in, it's hard to get him out.

It's because large groups of people become dependent on the state. They are either dependent on entitlements or employment. I'm sure you know how that goes.

732 Sgt K  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 5:11:15pm

Check this out! Once in a great while the New York Times does something right.
[Link: www.nytimes.com...]

733 calcajun  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 5:11:22pm

re: #728 Truck Monkey

I could have
done
without that
image.

734 Gus  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 5:11:32pm

Time for some ice on a tooth and a nap. BBL

735 Van Helsing  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 5:12:01pm

Anybody have any good links to one those 'what career I would be good at' test thingies?

I'm burned out on the alleged engineering my company is doing and decided that a cut in pay is better than a lobotomy.

Don't tell me that a bottle in front of me will work, either. That's what led to the decision to try something different.

As my son told me, "drunk, smart, and unhappy is no way to go through life, dad"

So I'm looking for resources.

736 albusteve  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 5:12:34pm

re: #731 Gus 802

It's because large groups of people become dependent on the state. They are either dependent on entitlements or employment. I'm sure you know how that goes.

the largest group of non voters are neither...reach out to them and take back the govt...it's no secret or mystery...duh!

737 JacksonTn  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 5:12:37pm

re: #732 Sgt K

Check this out! Once in a great while the New York Times does something right.
[Link: www.nytimes.com...]

Sgt ... we know him! ... WAY TO GO MAN! ...

738 lobo91  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 5:13:03pm

re: #731 Gus 802

It's because large groups of people become dependent on the state. They are either dependent on entitlements or employment. I'm sure you know how that goes.

See also: California

739 Digital Display  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 5:13:05pm

re: #726 CyanSnowHawk

I prefer the fit and athletic, early Capt. Kirk Shatner myself, but to each their own.
/

I saw a great movie the other day with Val Kilmer playing in the movie the Doors...Genius role..perfect...But damn..That boy has gotten fat lately...
Eat less pancakes Val! You feel and look better...

740 Catttt  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 5:13:08pm

re: #728 Truck Monkey

Then you will appreciate this.

[Video]

I had a first edition copy of Transformed Man. I had Nimoy's stuff too. Totally Trekkie. Trekkie Forever.

741 FrogMarch  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 5:13:13pm

re: #731 Gus 802

It's because large groups of people become dependent on the state. They are either dependent on entitlements or employment. I'm sure you know how that goes.

Yes. Creating that depedent class is the game plan. It provides power and job security to the parasite political elites.

742 albusteve  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 5:13:40pm

re: #737 JacksonTn

Sgt ... we know him! ... WAY TO GO MAN! ...

left you a song up thread...killer

743 tradewind  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 5:14:22pm

re: #720 Cattt

I actually heard some Dem-leaning pundit predict that four years from now Palin's speech was going to be reworked into red meat talking points for the Republican nomination that would strike a positive chord with the general electorate, whose members will be mentally exhausted from Obama's fubar'ed administration.

744 ArmyWife  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 5:14:50pm

re: #730 HoosierHoops

Hi there, friend! He is fine, took some soldiers to the range today to practice, had his replacement come in to do some left seat, right seat stuff for his transition out - he is going into another 1SG slot at Ft. Lee, we found out. At this very moment he went to the Country Club with my Daddy and stepmother for dinner (he is living with them until he transitions to VA). In honor of that, the girls and I made fillet this evening. How's your family? And cutie Winston?

745 Sgt K  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 5:15:20pm

re: #737 JacksonTn

We were in the same company (A Co. 2-135 Inf) in the sandbox. Nice guy!

746 Catttt  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 5:15:54pm

Tweet Quote:

i just found out that the parrots i have at home are lesbians!

747 itellu3times  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 5:16:04pm

re: #706 SanFranciscoZionist

Well, bumblebees can't fly, according to physicists, but they continue to do it anyway--similarly, I persist in being white despite the lack of science behind it...

Wait, did they solve the bumblebee thing?

Yes they did, pretty much, fluid properties of gases on a tiny scale more sticky blah blah blah

748 JacksonTn  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 5:16:08pm

re: #745 Sgt K

We were in the same company (A Co. 2-135 Inf) in the sandbox. Nice guy!

SGT ... he use to be here ... I am so happy for him! ...

749 [deleted]  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 5:16:17pm
750 JacksonTn  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 5:17:02pm

re: #742 albusteve

left you a song up thread...killer

albusteve ... sweet ... listening now ...

751 ArmyWife  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 5:17:06pm

re: #737 JacksonTn

Where has he been? I enjoyed chatting with him.

752 Catttt  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 5:17:15pm

re: #743 tradewind

I actually heard some Dem-leaning pundit predict that four years from now Palin's speech was going to be reworked into red meat talking points for the Republican nomination that would strike a positive chord with the general electorate, whose members will be mentally exhausted from Obama's fubar'ed administration.

Well, they should get Mr. Shatner to do commercials. He makes it awesome. He can totally sell those lines.

753 itellu3times  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 5:17:33pm

Micro-hoo deal imminent

Microsoft and Yahoo going to get biblical with each other.

754 JacksonTn  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 5:17:50pm

re: #751 ArmyWife

Where has he been? I enjoyed chatting with him.

AW ... don't know but that story made me cry ... good tears ...

755 calcajun  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 5:17:50pm

re: #746 Cattt

Tweet Quote:

The love that dare not squawk its name.

756 tradewind  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 5:18:16pm

re: #732 Sgt K

Anyone looking to donate money to a wonderful cause should check out the fund that provides service assistance dogs to Iraq/Afghanistan vets. Such a worthwhile project, and so expensive that it is out of reach to most who need it.
[Link: www.foxnews.com...]

757 ArmyWife  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 5:18:16pm

re: #754 JacksonTn

Well, if he's lurking - Hi!

758 Digital Display  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 5:18:32pm

re: #735 Van Helsing

Anybody have any good links to one those 'what career I would be good at' test thingies?

I'm burned out on the alleged engineering my company is doing and decided that a cut in pay is better than a lobotomy.

Don't tell me that a bottle in front of me will work, either. That's what led to the decision to try something different.

As my son told me, "drunk, smart, and unhappy is no way to go through life, dad"

So I'm looking for resources.

Wait a while my friend...I work for one of the largest global companies in the world with 440,000 employees...I checked...We have 5 job openings across the Globe..Hang in there a bit...There will be hiring in 2010...Just hang right now...
That's all I can tell you..Good luck!

759 tradewind  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 5:18:39pm

re: #746 Cattt

Well, you know those Amazons...

760 yochanan  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 5:18:49pm

re: #666 _RememberTonyC

Here's a must read piece from someone who has been in iran recently.

[Link: www.frontpagemag.com...]

It notes that on July 30th, it is the 40th day since the killing of Neda. And that 40th day after a death is a day for commemoration in islam. So Thursday could be very interesting in iran.

expect the MSM to have m. jackson coverage on thursday. 24/7

761 FrogMarch  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 5:20:08pm

re: #708 Racer X


Contador didn't have to say that. He might live to regret his lousy remarks. Good luck finding team-mates who trust you and want to help you, Contador. *dick*

762 tradewind  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 5:20:15pm

re: #758 HoosierHoops

There's a service in Atlanta that gives a highly rated test for that...
[Link: www.jocrf.org...]

763 calcajun  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 5:21:13pm

re: #761 FrogMarch

They are a high-strung bunch, ain't they.

764 jcm  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 5:22:07pm

Sweltering in the Great Northwet.

96.0 °F
Clear
Humidity: 36%
Dew Point: 65 °F
Wind: 5.0 mph from the NNW
Wind Gust: 10.0 mph
Pressure: 29.76 in (Falling)
Heat Index: 99 °F

92° in the house!
Tuna salad sandwiches for dinner, damn if I'm cooking ('cause we already are).

Forecast 100° + for the next 2-3 days.

Yippee!

*melt*

765 yochanan  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 5:22:13pm

re: #732 Sgt K

way to go logman hip hip horay.

766 Pvt Bin Jammin  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 5:22:30pm

re: #754 JacksonTn

Is that logboy?

767 yochanan  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 5:23:05pm

re: #766 Pvt Bin Jammin

yes YES DID I SAY YES

768 Digital Display  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 5:23:56pm

re: #744 ArmyWife

Hi there, friend! He is fine, took some soldiers to the range today to practice, had his replacement come in to do some left seat, right seat stuff for his transition out - he is going into another 1SG slot at Ft. Lee, we found out. At this very moment he went to the Country Club with my Daddy and stepmother for dinner (he is living with them until he transitions to VA). In honor of that, the girls and I made fillet this evening. How's your family? And cutie Winston?

Awesome.. I'm so happy for your family...Winston is doing great and quite frankly I can't wait till mama gets off of swing shift doing logistics work...
Lucky I have you fine folks to chat with...

769 JacksonTn  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 5:24:42pm

re: #766 Pvt Bin Jammin

Is that logboy?

PBJ ... pretty sure ... and not blowing his cover cuz he posted his log rolling here before with video ...

770 FrogMarch  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 5:24:44pm

re: #763 calcajun

They are a high-strung bunch, ain't they.

Some of them, yes. I always thought Lance was very complimentary and gracious to his team-mates.

771 Pvt Bin Jammin  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 5:24:56pm

re: #767 yochanan

yes YES DID I SAY YES

W00T! We miss you, man. Way to go.

772 ArmyWife  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 5:25:20pm

Is being stupid a requirement for the position of politician?

It doesn’t look like it to me,” House Ways and Means Committee Chairman Charles Rangel said in an interview. “I really hoped that we could have gotten a bill out of here by now,” he said, adding that he has a “heavy political heart.”

along with a fat political ass

and speaking of fat political asses:

Massachusetts Senator John Kerry said he was “relatively confident” the panel will reach agreement by week’s end.

Kerry said his plan to tax “Cadillac” health benefits is gaining support. “There’s certainly consensus building now that it’s fair to ask the most expensive plans to contribute something” to help finance the overhaul, he told reporters.


Because, of course, this won't result in people and/or companies dropping these "Cadillac" plans in favor of a Honda plan to avoid additional taxes.

773 [deleted]  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 5:25:21pm
774 Pvt Bin Jammin  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 5:25:47pm

re: #769 JacksonTn

PBJ ... pretty sure ... and not blowing his cover cuz he posted his log rolling here before with video ...

Gotcha. Thanks.

775 snowcrash  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 5:25:55pm

re: #769 JacksonTn
I thought of him, he described his injuries once.

776 tradewind  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 5:26:02pm

re: #764 jcm

Sounds like normal July for here, but we're in a cold snap: not out of the 80's for three days running. Unheard of.

777 yochanan  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 5:26:05pm

re: #732 Sgt K

Check this out! Once in a great while the New York Times does something right.
[Link: www.nytimes.com...]

HOW ABOUT A THREAD ON THIS lizard makes good,.

778 FrogMarch  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 5:26:35pm

re: #764 jcm

Sweltering in the Great Northwet.

96.0 °F
Clear
Humidity: 36%
Dew Point: 65 °F
Wind: 5.0 mph from the NNW
Wind Gust: 10.0 mph
Pressure: 29.76 in (Falling)
Heat Index: 99 °F

92° in the house!
Tuna salad sandwiches for dinner, damn if I'm cooking ('cause we already are).

Forecast 100° + for the next 2-3 days.

Yippee!

*melt*

Mostly cloudy, scattered showers, and cool here in CO. I don't think the temperature rose out of the 70's today.
I love the pacific northwest!

779 Ojoe  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 5:26:50pm

re: #720 Cattt

Palin will be the first female president of the United States IMHO.

Do you have a link for the text of the speech?

780 jcm  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 5:27:08pm

re: #753 itellu3times

Micro-hoo deal imminent

Microsoft and Yahoo going to get biblical with each other.

1st Commandment of the new MS OS.
“Thou shalt have no other search engines before Yahoo.”

781 Pvt Bin Jammin  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 5:27:12pm

re: #777 yochanan

HOW ABOUT A THREAD ON THIS lizard makes good,.

I hit the "recommend" button.

782 Van Helsing  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 5:27:18pm

re: #772 ArmyWife

Yes.

783 freetoken  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 5:27:21pm

re: #735 Van Helsing

Anybody have any good links to one those 'what career I would be good at' test thingies?

I never found those type of things to be too helpful. Despite the psychological insight that one might find in taking tests, the one thing that those tests can't do is tell you which doors will open before you.

Do you know what you want to do? I'm not necessarily speaking of a particular job/career, but of goals you've set for yourself.

784 JacksonTn  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 5:27:29pm

re: #777 yochanan

HOW ABOUT A THREAD ON THIS lizard makes good,.

Yoch ... I remember his avatar was a Purple Heart ...

785 tradewind  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 5:28:08pm

re: #772 ArmyWife

Sns.Kerry and Rockefeller are sniping at each other over the health care thang.
Things are looking up, lizards...

786 lobo91  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 5:28:24pm

re: #772 ArmyWife

Is being stupid a requirement for the position of politician?


Because, of course, this won't result in people and/or companies dropping these "Cadillac" plans in favor of a Honda plan to avoid additional taxes.

I wonder how many of the people with those "Cadillac" plans are union members?

787 Catttt  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 5:29:24pm

re: #779 Ojoe

Palin will be the first female president of the United States IMHO.

Do you have a link for the text of the speech?

Here is the full text: [Link: www.talkingpointsmemo.com...]

788 FrogMarch  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 5:29:41pm

re: #772 ArmyWife

Is being stupid a requirement for the position of politician?

Short answer: Yes.
Long answer: Yes.

789 Tarkus289  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 5:29:46pm

Good news, our friend the "Gaza Rooster" apparently has a job doing the Ambien CR commercials.

790 jcm  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 5:30:13pm

re: #776 tradewind

Sounds like normal July for here, but we're in a cold snap: not out of the 80's for three days running. Unheard of.

Seattle is weather wimps. Below 40 and above 80 we're complanin' Because of it, few homes have AC. I don't, got a room AC for the kids room, we all sleep in there on days like this.

791 Ojoe  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 5:30:18pm

re: #743 tradewind

I'm mentally exhusted from it already.

There's very little work.

792 jcm  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 5:30:40pm

re: #784 JacksonTn

Yoch ... I remember his avatar was a Purple Heart ...

He earned it too.

793 Ojoe  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 5:30:45pm

re: #787 Cattt

Thank you Cattt.

794 yochanan  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 5:30:47pm

re: #788 FrogMarch

Short answer: Yes.
Long answer: Yes.

also being able to lie with a smile on your face
the back stabber

795 tradewind  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 5:32:08pm

re: #783 freetoken
The value in the Johnson-O'Connor service I posted (which is not just an aptitude test) is that they let people know where their talents and aptitudes truly lie, no matter what their interests may be, and encourage them to refocus away from a path for which they may not be temperamentally or intellectually suited.

796 Van Helsing  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 5:32:10pm

re: #783 freetoken

Do you know what you want to do? I'm not necessarily speaking of a particular job/career, but of goals you've set for yourself.

No, I really enjoyed embedded systems design. Hardware, software, production test stuff...

It's just that now the company I work seems to outsourcing the work and I just review it. When I tell them things are wrong they tell me deadlines are more important.

Looking for the kind of work I DID do, well, opportunities are spotty at best. Dunno, I'm just a bit depressed.

I know I should just man up and keep drawing a paycheck, but it becomes difficult to even get out of bed and go to work.

I don't know what else I'd do... haven't had to consider the question for 30 years.

797 yochanan  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 5:32:37pm

re: #790 jcm

was there one summer and they were b'tch when it was 80 degrees acting like it was a heat wave it was hotter in chi town when i caught the plane to seattle at 6 am than seattle high for the day.

798 ArmyWife  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 5:33:25pm

re: #735 Van Helsing

From an HR perspective, career changes are difficult. Not impossible, but difficult. If you decide you want to change, it is typically better to go with a career not completely unrelated to your current one - say teaching Engineering or switching from Process Engineering into R&D. If you go whole hog and change it all up, get a professional resume writer to highlight the skills you have that will be applicable to your new career (ex. design skills, analytical ability, strong math acumen, etc.).

IF you can swing it, work with a consultant or coach to talk you through interviewing for new roles, what to say, how to present yourself, things like that. Think of it as staging a home to sell - only you are staging you!

799 itellu3times  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 5:33:55pm

re: #796 Van Helsing

Tell me about it.

IT, any kind of engineering, sux these days, 80% is outsourced, and not coincidentally, "good enough" is generally the target.

800 austin_blue  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 5:34:16pm

Very interesting op-ed in the NYT today:

[Link: www.nytimes.com...]

I am in agreement with Benn on this. This Admin needs to balance.

801 Ojoe  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 5:34:25pm

re: #787 Cattt

WOW.

802 jcm  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 5:35:10pm

re: #797 yochanan

was there one summer and they were b'tch when it was 80 degrees acting like it was a heat wave it was hotter in chi town when i caught the plane to seattle at 6 am than seattle high for the day.

Yep! That's us!

803 FrogMarch  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 5:36:25pm

re: #794 yochanan

also being able to lie with a smile on your face
the back stabber

Yes. They are smart enough to be incredibly deceptive.

804 SasquatchOnSteroids  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 5:36:26pm

re: #773 buzzsawmonkey

Apropos of nothing in particular, I note that the show on which Glenn Beck appeared in the previous thread is called "Fox and Friends."

"Fox and His Friends" is a film by Rainer Werner Fassbinder, about an unsophisticated working-class homosexual who is exploited by a number of rapacious, "cultivated" upper-class homosexuals.

I wonder what the network's idea was when they chose the name.

Probably.Not.That.

805 Van Helsing  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 5:36:38pm

re: #798 ArmyWife

Thanks for that. These are things I probably wouldn't have thought of until falling on my face a few times.

806 ArmyWife  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 5:37:12pm

re: #805 Van Helsing

Anytime. Seriously, if I can help, let me know.

807 [deleted]  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 5:38:39pm
808 Digital Display  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 5:38:49pm

re: #796 Van Helsing

Hey! You have a great skill set! There is always room in the Tech world and System design and testing...Set a plan...See your goal and set a time..The economy will be changing in IT.. It always does...
You have a great horizon in front of you.Don't be sad..be glad!
It may take 6-9 months.It ain't happening next week...
Go Fucking get that goal!

809 itellu3times  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 5:40:41pm

re: #808 HoosierHoops

Hey! You have a great skill set! There is always room in the Tech world and System design and testing...Set a plan...See your goal and set a time..The economy will be changing in IT.. It always does...
You have a great horizon in front of you.Don't be sad..be glad!
It may take 6-9 months.It ain't happening next week...
Go Fucking get that goal!

HH, do you have any actual connection to today's IT world?

810 pingjockey  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 5:40:57pm

Good afternoon/evening lizards. Hotter than hell here in the Pacific Northwest and they've had a tornado over in Idaho, which doesn't happen! But did, I blame manbearpig farts.

811 Digital Display  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 5:42:12pm

re: #809 itellu3times

HH, do you have any actual connection to today's IT world?

I am a System Admin for a GWAN...My dept. has 230 Admins..
So a little bit...How are you this fine night?

812 SasquatchOnSteroids  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 5:43:03pm

Looks like Randy Johnson might be done for the year. Tearing in his rotator cuff.

813 jcm  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 5:43:04pm

re: #796 Van Helsing

No, I really enjoyed embedded systems design. Hardware, software, production test stuff...

It's just that now the company I work seems to outsourcing the work and I just review it. When I tell them things are wrong they tell me deadlines are more important.

Looking for the kind of work I DID do, well, opportunities are spotty at best. Dunno, I'm just a bit depressed.

I know I should just man up and keep drawing a paycheck, but it becomes difficult to even get out of bed and go to work.

I don't know what else I'd do... haven't had to consider the question for 30 years.

Keep an eye here, we're replacing attrition only right now, but orders are picking up. Embedded experience would be a plus.

814 yochanan  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 5:43:13pm

re: #800 austin_blue

haartz is israel's left and even they don't trust the zero.

815 pingjockey  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 5:43:46pm

OMG...a vid of Beck wearing lederhosen. Could've done without that little visual.

816 jcm  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 5:44:12pm

re: #810 pingjockey

Good afternoon/evening lizards. Hotter than hell here in the Pacific Northwest and they've had a tornado over in Idaho, which doesn't happen! But did, I blame manbearpig farts.

96° here, you must be 103-105°.

817 SasquatchOnSteroids  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 5:44:22pm

re: #815 pingjockey

OMG...a vid of Beck wearing lederhosen. Could've done without that little visual.

heh. Freaky,ain't it ?

818 VegasRick  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 5:44:34pm

re: #810 pingjockey

Good afternoon/evening lizards. Hotter than hell here in the Pacific Northwest and they've had a tornado over in Idaho, which doesn't happen! But did, I blame manbearpig farts.

Were only 112 here in Vegas. It's a dry heat!

819 freetoken  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 5:44:36pm

re: #796 Van Helsing

No, I really enjoyed embedded systems design. Hardware, software, production test stuff...

It's just that now the company I work seems to outsourcing the work and I just review it. When I tell them things are wrong they tell me deadlines are more important.

Been there, done that. The process of farming out to ever cheaper subcontractors is a hard war to fight. When we went from doing some of the work to just monitoring what others did... that was the last straw for many.

Yes, embedded systems work is tight right now... you are in California? On occasion I look at who is hiring and there is a stark difference between today and say 25 years ago, when SoCal had plenty of embedded work (due to the aerospace/DoD industry.)

Hate to see you give up what you admit you love doing.

Are you at an age where you can take an early retirement? Many have done that. But I will tell you... if you go down that route, you are now stuck with the issue of "what do I do with the rest of my life?"

Best wishes on wrestling with this... many of us do.

820 pingjockey  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 5:45:49pm

re: #816 jcm

re: #818 VegasRick
Heh. if it's a 100 in Seattle we're smoking over here.
Rick, Vegas is in the frakkin' desert! It's supposed to be 112'!

821 pingjockey  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 5:47:01pm

re: #817 SasquatchOnSteroids
Looked like he escaped from tourist central here in Wa state. Leavenworth is a bavarian themed tourist trap.

822 SasquatchOnSteroids  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 5:47:12pm

re: #818 VegasRick

Were only 112 here in Vegas. It's a dry heat!

Good Lord, that's not even funny

823 yochanan  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 5:47:24pm

re: #818 VegasRick

i was in Vegas in the winter and the temp was nice but it was way too f*** dry

824 albusteve  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 5:47:25pm

re: #816 jcm

96° here, you must be 103-105°.

94deg in ABQ at 7pm...six weeks near or over 100 everyday

825 kansas  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 5:47:35pm

re: #810 pingjockey

Good afternoon/evening lizards. Hotter than hell here in the Pacific Northwest and they've had a tornado over in Idaho, which doesn't happen! But did, I blame manbearpig farts.

Coldest July in Chicago since 1942, cool here in Kansas. Manbearpig must be near you.

826 pingjockey  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 5:48:30pm

re: #825 kansas
I wish he'd go hang out with the polar bears and stay there!

827 albusteve  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 5:48:36pm

re: #818 VegasRick

Were only 112 here in Vegas. It's a dry heat!

I feel for you bro...NOT!...hahaha!...hit the casinos

828 wrenchwench  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 5:48:39pm

re: #824 albusteve

OK, the Grace Potter vid was good. Thanks.

829 Van Helsing  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 5:48:56pm

re: #813 jcm

Thank you. I've even worked Cypress PSoCs...

And it gives me the thought that checking vendor's sites for job openings...

830 yochanan  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 5:49:14pm

re: #825 kansas

well the reason they say it is the coolest since 1942 is they moved the weather station from the lake front to midway air port in 42 i suspect if they had not moved it this year would be the coldest one.

831 tradewind  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 5:49:36pm

re: #788 FrogMarch
Not sure that stupid is the most important quality, butan ad might read something like this:
Politician wanted:

must be able to lie with straight face, cry on demand, and suspend disbelief at will.
WordPerfect, Excel not necessary, but must be proficient with Teleprompter and have working knowledge of Twitter. Fashionista wife and moppets a plus...back taxes no problem. To apply, scrub your Facebook and Myspace pages, doublecheck your club memberships for politically offensive associations, obtain necessary confidentiality agreement signatures from associates, send any illegal household workers packing, and refresh Botox as necessary...
832 Digital Display  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 5:50:16pm

re: #825 kansas

Coldest July in Chicago since 1942, cool here in Kansas. Manbearpig must be near you.

I hear ya..Chilly here south of you...July is almost over...I don't recall one time jumping into a pool..
Damn you Al Gore! Stop healing the earth already!
/

833 jcm  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 5:50:38pm

re: #829 Van Helsing

Thank you. I've even worked Cypress PSoCs...

And it gives me the thought that checking vendor's sites for job openings...

I'll check internally also see if anything is available.

834 Van Helsing  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 5:50:51pm

re: #819 freetoken

I'm in Phoenix. It's pretty tight here, too.

835 albusteve  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 5:51:36pm

re: #828 wrenchwench

OK, the Grace Potter vid was good. Thanks.

I'd forgotten all about those guys...very non musical bunch here...they are into the Tubes and stuff like that...kids... but I hope you liked it

836 Van Helsing  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 5:52:05pm

Thanks all for your input. I must now go beat hangout with the grandkids.

837 yochanan  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 5:52:11pm

re: #831 tradewind

Not sure that stupid is the most important quality, butan ad might read something like this:
Politician wanted:

must be able to lie with straight face, cry on demand, and suspend disbelief at will.
WordPerfect, Excel not necessary, but must be proficient with Teleprompter and have working knowledge of Twitter. Fashionista wife and moppets a plus...back taxes no problem(ONLY APPLIES IF YOUR ARE RUNNING AS A DEMOCRAT). To apply, scrub your Facebook and Myspace pages, doublecheck your club memberships for politically offensive associations, obtain necessary confidentiality agreement signatures from associates, send any illegal household workers packing, and refresh Botox as necessary...

FTFY

838 itellu3times  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 5:52:19pm

re: #811 HoosierHoops

I am a System Admin for a GWAN...My dept. has 230 Admins..
So a little bit...How are you this fine night?

It's a lovely evening, though the roundball is out of season.

Just wondering where that rah-rah about IT stuff was coming from, I'm again in the talk-to-the-recruiters mode doing my development contracting thing. The IT field being in the state it's in, not entirely a epic fail mode, but durned close. Like, your 230 admins, about how many are working in this country?

839 SasquatchOnSteroids  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 5:52:44pm
840 Killgore Trout  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 5:53:26pm

If only there was some sort of grass roots movement to stop this madness...
Strip clubs, marijuana eyed during budget crunch

841 jim in virginia  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 5:53:38pm

Back in June the Weather Pundits were saying this could be the Year Without a Summer. Maybe in Chicago but it hit 90 here today. And it ain't no dry heat.

842 pingjockey  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 5:54:26pm

re: #840 Killgore Trout
Tax grass man! Far out, tubular taxes duuude!

843 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 5:54:29pm

Thanos posted an interesting survey about the liberalism of the scientific community. I commented there, but I wanted to repost here where people might actually see it.

Before anyone goes off and sees this as evidence of a vast liberal scientific conspiracy, or that scientists only do what they do for the funding (as provided by a vast liberal conspiracy, which given the last eight years is clearly preposterous) please consider the following facts.

First off, what kind of liberal are you talking about vs. what kind of conservative are you talking about? The poll gives no information on this.

As a scientist let me say...

Given that many "conservatives" these days are very strongly anti science in that they deny evolution and AGW or any science that they do not like for political or religious dogmatic reasons, as a scientist, if this were my measure - as in who actually likes actual science more, I would have to be called a liberal. However, this says nothing about my dissaproval of many of Obama's policies or my disdain for Pelosi.

Given that many "conservatives" see science as something subordinate to either the needs of big business or to the military, and not something valuable in it's own right, by that standard, I would have to be a liberal. But that says nothing about the fact that I support a strong military and that I do think that there is nothing wrong with making a profit out of better technology.

Given that many "conservatives" AGW aside, see nothing wrong with pollution if it is good for business, by that standard, I would have to be a liberal. But this does not mean I am anti business, it just means that I know how disgusting a CAFO is, that I like breathing fresh air more than smog and that I wouldn't want to live in Love Canal.

Given that education is one of the first things that many "conservatives" go to cut, by that standard I am a liberal. It is not that the Dems have a stellar record on education themselves, but they do not seem to have the animus for it that is seen in the GOP. And while we are at it, as a scientist, I'm sorry, I like the idea of having smart people as my representatives. As an educated person, listening to "folksy" ignorant politicians makes me cringe. Everyday folks are great. They're good people. That doesn't mean I want them running my country. Nope, I want the smartest, toughest, best informed, shrewdest and most honest SOB we can get. Policies aside, the GOP has quite the track record of running people who can't string together a coherent sentence and who would have gotten C's or worse in the classes I teach. I would like to think that my leaders know more and not less than me. However much you may like W. or Palin, please do not try to tell me that either is a particularly sharp individual.

Also while we are at it, there is much that "conservatives" have become that have nothing to do with classical conservatism. Given that most scientists do not have as an article of religious faith that abortion, or gay marriage are the most pressing problems in America, most of us simply don't tune into that wavelegnth. The second ammendment is another example. Even amongst those of us who own firearms and enjoy shooting (like me), almost none of us thinks that the second ammendment gives everyone the right to pack whatever heat they want whenever they want. By those standards, if that is your measure of conservative, we are liberals too.

Bottom line, this poll represents a backlash against what "conservatives" have become - not nescessarily against notions that used to matter to conservatives, like fiscal responsibility, pragmatic foreign policy and a strong military.

844 Fenway_Nation  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 5:54:35pm

re: #840 Killgore Trout

They're stripping away our freedoms one by one and acting like they're helping us. What a tease...

845 jim in virginia  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 5:55:44pm

re: #832 HoosierHoops

I hear ya..Chilly here south of you...July is almost over...I don't recall one time jumping into a pool..
Damn you Al Gore! Stop healing the earth already!
/


And the oceans have stopped rising.
Thank you Lord Obama!

846 freetoken  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 5:56:23pm

re: #840 Killgore Trout

If only there was some sort of grass roots movement to stop this madness...
Strip clubs, marijuana eyed during budget crunch

Republican state Sen. Jack Murphy's proposed "pole tax" would have charged patrons of strip clubs a $5 entrance fee. The bill was not approved.

Where's Throbert when you need him?

847 Killgore Trout  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 5:56:26pm

GOP afraid of Limbaugh?

Colin Powell suggest GOP leaders are afraid of Rush Limbaugh.
848 lobo91  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 5:56:28pm

re: #844 Fenway_Nation

They're stripping away our freedoms one by one and acting like they're helping us. What a tease...

I think we call people like that "Democrats."

849 Fenway_Nation  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 5:56:49pm

re: #845 jim in virginia

It's called low tide, idiot.
/

850 austin_blue  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 5:56:53pm

re: #814 yochanan

haartz is israel's left and even they don't trust the zero.

Yup. The numbers in those polls don't lie. While what he says may play well with many American Jews, tain't the same in Israel. Which is why I agree that this Admin needs to find a different narrative with Israel.

851 Killgore Trout  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 5:56:57pm

re: #842 pingjockey

Tax grass man! Far out, tubular taxes duuude!

Corporate weed is fascism, maaan!

852 albusteve  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 5:58:01pm

re: #840 Killgore Trout

If only there was some sort of grass roots movement to stop this madness...
Strip clubs, marijuana eyed during budget crunch

just think the heroin shooting tax...it will put junkies out of business!...seriously it's an all out tax attack on the people...law makers are desperate so they turn on the hand that feeds them, again...ain't socialism great?...sooner or later someone will snap

853 jaunte  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 5:58:08pm

re: #851 Killgore Trout

Corporate weed is fascism, maaan!

Image: 938-022~Marijuana-Posters.jpg

854 tradewind  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 5:59:18pm

re: #840 Killgore Trout


In Kentucky, new legislation puts a tax on cell phone ring tones.


Who knew the theme song from Dukes of Hazzard would turn out to be such a money maker?
:)

855 Digital Display  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 5:59:26pm

re: #838 itellu3times

It's a lovely evening, though the roundball is out of season.

Just wondering where that rah-rah about IT stuff was coming from, I'm again in the talk-to-the-recruiters mode doing my development contracting thing. The IT field being in the state it's in, not entirely a epic fail mode, but durned close. Like, your 230 admins, about how many are working in this country?

oh i see...Nice seeing you as always..
I guess my story with IT is different...I transfered here from Silly Cone Valley..
Don't quote me..But I'm pretty sure we have an Admin in every country on the face of the Earth...Last I heard we run the 5th largest GWAN in the world..Something like that.. I love tech threads and Sports..
I wish Charles did our web pages...

856 yochanan  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 5:59:44pm

re: #850 austin_blue

HE is used to the 'guilty white liberal jews' of hyde park/chicago frankly my views are much closer to the ave Israeli's

857 Killgore Trout  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 6:00:44pm

Walter Bagdasarian Convicted Of Making Racially-Charged Threats Against Then-Candidate Obama

A man has been convicted in San Diego of making racially charged comments on the Internet during the U.S. presidential campaign about killing Barack Obama.

Walter Bagdasarian of La Mesa posted the messages in October. Prosecutors say one on a Yahoo Finance board read, "He will have a 50 cal in the head soon." Authorities say they found a .50-caliber rifle in his home.

858 tradewind  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 6:00:57pm

re: #846 freetoken

That pole tax thing is some politician's naked ambition taken one toke over the line.

859 wrenchwench  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 6:01:01pm

re: #852 albusteve

...aaand Cowboy Mouth--you can keep 'im. But thanks for broadening my horizons.

860 kansas  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 6:01:02pm

re: #830 yochanan

well the reason they say it is the coolest since 1942 is they moved the weather station from the lake front to midway air port in 42 i suspect if they had not moved it this year would be the coldest one.

I did see that but did not consider it is likely warmer at Midway than the lake. Quick. Get manbearpig in there for gaseous emissions.

861 albusteve  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 6:01:22pm

re: #851 Killgore Trout

Corporate weed is fascism, maaan!

what about beer, and wine?...there is a grinding hypocricy that people like me find utterly intolerable...I've smoked more than my fair share of dope and maybe I will again...it's not the buzz it's the principle and people just dont fucking get it

862 austin_blue  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 6:02:02pm

re: #856 yochanan

HE is used to the 'guilty white liberal jews' of hyde park/chicago frankly my views are much closer to the ave Israeli's

Me too. I'm uncomfortable with this policy. He asks nothing from the Palis.

863 Randall Gross  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 6:02:11pm

So now that they are Obama's wars all of the anti war groups are protesting Israel instead of the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan.

discuss.

864 Noam Sayin'  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 6:02:49pm

re: #840 Killgore Trout

If only there was some sort of grass roots movement to stop this madness...
Strip clubs, marijuana eyed during budget crunch

First they came for the millionaires, but I said nothing...

865 albusteve  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 6:03:41pm

re: #859 wrenchwench

...aaand Cowboy Mouth--you can keep 'im. But thanks for broadening my horizons.

that's the important thing...I'm always on the prowl for new stuff...it's out there but you gotta find it...

866 calcajun  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 6:03:46pm

re: #843 LudwigVanQuixote

The general problem-- emphasis on "general" -- that (and I do not have time to cite references) is that there have been examples in my own life in litigation where I see "experts"; doctors, engineers, etc. give opinions that support a certain position. The look at the same facts, data, test results, etc. and have not just differing opinions-- but diametrically opposed opinions.

It is because of situations like these that many people are jaundiced by scientists who take a position. You are right in that science should be above it all-- but it is not. It is as susceptible to greed and corruption as any other human institution. So, when a scientist from a certain think-tank which has had "liberal" of left-leaning sympathies publishes a paper, the initial inclination is to suspect the paper of being some form of leftist propaganda in the guise of a scientific study.

I am not saying this is right-- but it is the perception that many people that I know have of the scientific community.

867 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 6:04:24pm

re: #863 Thanos

So now that they are Obama's wars all of the anti war groups are protesting Israel instead of the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan.

discuss.


What is there to discuss? Naked hypocrisy or hatered of Jews?

868 yochanan  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 6:04:58pm

re: #862 austin_blue

frankly I don't think there will ever be peace with islam. as islam can't accept dhimmi as equals.

869 Racer X  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 6:05:21pm

re: #840 Killgore Trout

If only there was some sort of grass roots movement to stop this madness...
Strip clubs, marijuana eyed during budget crunch

Here's an idea - spend less!

870 Gearhead  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 6:06:43pm

re: #863 Thanos

So now that they are Obama's wars all of the anti war groups are protesting Israel instead of the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan.

discuss.

Massive rationalization.

871 Killgore Trout  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 6:07:03pm

re: #861 albusteve

what about beer, and wine?


Nobody's forcing you to drink capitalist mass produced booze. Home brewing seems like a lot of fun, I haven't tried it yet but I'd love to learn how to do it.

872 BARACK THE VOTE  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 6:07:44pm

re: #843 LudwigVanQuixote


Bottom line, this poll represents a backlash against what "conservatives" have become - not nescessarily against notions that used to matter to conservatives, like fiscal responsibility, pragmatic foreign policy and a strong military.

I saw it! I'd commented up there too (and at more length), but let me say again: excellent analysis, thank you!

Here's the link to the actual pew poll, which also supports what you're saying.

[Link: pewresearch.org...]

(Bottom line: scientists didn't leave the Republican Party or conservatism; the GOP and what conservatism has become has left them).

873 Fenway_Nation  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 6:07:52pm

re: #854 tradewind

re: #840 Killgore Trout


Who knew the theme song from Dukes of Hazzard would turn out to be such a money maker?
:)

You'll have to pardon me for thinking of something else when I see Dukes of Hazard and 'moneymaker' in the same sentence.

874 austin_blue  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 6:08:08pm

re: #860 kansas

I did see that but did not consider it is likely warmer at Midway than the lake. Quick. Get manbearpig in there for gaseous emissions.

Can you all get some of that cool down here? Please? We normally have 12 days or so above 100 in Austin. Last year we had 50, but only 2 above 103. So far this year, we have had 41, and today was the 17th day over 103. The result?

[Link: drought.unl.edu...]

Oh, mercy, yes that big blob is "exceptional drought."

They are closing the last public boat ramp on Lake Travis tomorrow or Thursday. Since Sep '07, it has lost 53 feet in elevation and half its storage volume. It supplies drinking water for 1.1 million people.

875 Digital Display  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 6:08:32pm

re: #865 albusteve

that's the important thing...I'm always on the prowl for new stuff...it's out there but you gotta find it...

Ever read the book ' Children of the Blues'? A chapter on all the greats and their Kids that keep the music alive.. An amazing read...And a picture of every player...Bobby Rush blowing down the house..Delbert blowing harp...all of them
Amazing book

876 calcajun  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 6:08:32pm

Another reason why I sometimes laugh at the nature folks.

Final Destination--starring Flipper!

We had a humpback whaled beach itself here in SD some years back. Much fanfare was made of its rescue and rehab at Seaworld. They fitted the beastie will all sorts of tracking devices to monitor its progress--which it promptly shed within an hour of being released back into the wild.

It never called; it never wrote. Ungrateful bastard.

877 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 6:08:39pm

re: #866 calcajun

The general problem-- emphasis on "general" -- that (and I do not have time to cite references) is that there have been examples in my own life in litigation where I see "experts"; doctors, engineers, etc. give opinions that support a certain position. The look at the same facts, data, test results, etc. and have not just differing opinions-- but diametrically opposed opinions.

It is because of situations like these that many people are jaundiced by scientists who take a position. You are right in that science should be above it all-- but it is not. It is as susceptible to greed and corruption as any other human institution. So, when a scientist from a certain think-tank which has had "liberal" of left-leaning sympathies publishes a paper, the initial inclination is to suspect the paper of being some form of leftist propaganda in the guise of a scientific study.

I am not saying this is right-- but it is the perception that many people that I know have of the scientific community.

You are both right and wrong. The answer lies in the words "certain think tank."

People who work for political think tanks are political.

Actaul peer reviewd science is pretty immune from politics - untill politicians get involved with trying to push x or cut y. Even then, when the actual research gets done, it is hard to assign a political agenda to top quark interactions, measurements of gas concentrations, genetic sequences etc... Either the data is there or it isn't and in those cases where the data was flubbed, it always comes out sooner or later. One of the main reasons I love being a physicist, is that whatever my views are on anything, at the end of the day, I am in one of the few fields where I can know I was right or wrong.

878 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 6:10:56pm

re: #872 iceweasel

I saw it! I'd commented up there too (and at more length), but let me say again: excellent analysis, thank you!

Here's the link to the actual pew poll, which also supports what you're saying.

[Link: pewresearch.org...]

(Bottom line: scientists didn't leave the Republican Party or conservatism; the GOP and what conservatism has become has left them).


Thanks and I really like the way you phrased the bottom line.

879 austin_blue  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 6:10:57pm

re: #868 yochanan

frankly I don't think there will ever be peace with islam. as islam can't accept dhimmi as equals.

I am not as pessimistic as you. Your belief, if truly held, has only one obvious solution, and I refuse go there.

880 calcajun  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 6:13:02pm

re: #877 LudwigVanQuixote

Not just think tanks. Groups and committees that commission studies--any organization which "sponsors" research.

I understand about peer review--I've asked the question in depo of experts about their reports. Some have had the gall to say that they would. Other have become patronizing.

The point is that it has happened so much-- that the impartiality of the opinions have been called into question so many times--that people are reluctant to accept the verdict of science.

As a physicist, you're fortunate to work in a discipline with absolutes. The rest of us aren't so lucky.

881 Digital Display  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 6:14:06pm

re: #872 iceweasel

I saw it! I'd commented up there too (and at more length), but let me say again: excellent analysis, thank you!

Here's the link to the actual pew poll, which also supports what you're saying.

[Link: pewresearch.org...]

(Bottom line: scientists didn't leave the Republican Party or conservatism; the GOP and what conservatism has become has left them).


Ain't that the fucking truth...Between the IDers..YEC..Nirther...and the nuke the Muslim crowd...And those that have God's cell phone number.. It kindof pissed me off where the GOP went...I didn't go anywhere..especially to the cliff where a bunch of them dived off

882 freetoken  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 6:15:19pm

re: #877 LudwigVanQuixote

Actaul peer reviewd science is pretty immune from politics ...

Well, one hopes that would be the case. But as in the recent McClean/Carter paper in JGR has highlighted, the peer review process is not above being gamed by the crafty with a plan.

Over time though, and this is what many of the detractors of science ignore, the peer review process tends to correct errors because of the high premium placed on correcting errors. This is quite different from punditry, where yesterday's blog essay is quickly swept under the rug.

883 BARACK THE VOTE  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 6:17:44pm

re: #866 calcajun

The general problem-- emphasis on "general" -- that (and I do not have time to cite references) is that there have been examples in my own life in litigation where I see "experts"; doctors, engineers, etc. give opinions that support a certain position.

I think LVQ answered your comment perfectly at 866; I only have this to add: when you're talking about litigation and trial 'experts', these are people who are being paid for their testimony and time (in most cases). So it's not the same as the process of peer reviewed science that is, as LVQ says, largely immune from politics.

One could always find an individual 'expert', no matter how sleazy and how flimsy the credentials, who will be willing to testify to anything for a fee. Since the general public doesn't know how to evaluate competing scientific credentials (since they're not in the field), this translates into a general disgust for and suspicion of all so-called experts.

884 calcajun  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 6:20:24pm

re: #883 iceweasel

I understand-- and given my exposure to science, I have seen how data can be manipulated. My first thought is the fight between Rachel Carson and the folks at Dow over DDT-- and as I understand it, there is still no clear consensus on that issue.

885 jim in virginia  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 6:22:42pm

re: #843 LudwigVanQuixote
So many straw men, so little time.

Given that many "conservatives" AGW aside, see nothing wrong with pollution if it is good for business,


I've never heard anyone say there's nothing wrong with pollution if it is good for business. I would argue the need to weigh all the benefits of cutting pollution against all the costs.

Given that education is one of the first things that many "conservatives" go to cut, by that standard I am a liberal.

Given the waste in most state education budgets, it's an easy target. Fund teachers and programs that work. Don't fund more administrators. Could the Democrats ever actually stand up to the Teachers Unions?

Given that many "conservatives" see science as something subordinate to either the needs of big business or to the military

Would you rather have science funding based solely on the whims of pork barrel spending, seniority, and lobbyists, or have some basis in actual (or even perceived) needs? Funding for pure science is the easiest cut to make for any politican, Democrat, Republican, liberal or conservative. Imagine I'm a congressman: show me what your research will do for me. If it doesn't create jobs in my district it better do something really special.

I like the idea of having smart people as my representatives. Policies aside, the GOP has quite the track record of running people who can't string together a coherent sentence


Like Joe "I bet my iQ is higher than yours" Biden? Or Rangel or Conyers?

and who would have gotten C's or worse in the classes I teach.

As I recall, W had better college grades than Al Gore.

there is much that "conservatives" have become that have nothing to do with classical conservatism

. Agreed. And the labels liberal and conservative have been close to useless for at least twenty years.

886 austin_blue  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 6:23:16pm

re: #884 calcajun

I understand-- and given my exposure to science, I have seen how data can be manipulated. My first thought is the fight between Rachel Carson and the folks at Dow over DDT-- and as I understand it, there is still no clear consensus on that issue.

Well, here's the thing. Science said that unregulated use of DDT resulted in eggshell thinning among primary predator fish eating raptors (Bald Eagles and Ospreys), leading to huge population crashes. When DDT was removed from the environment, those populations recovered. That's a real QED.

887 BARACK THE VOTE  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 6:24:08pm

re: #884 calcajun

I understand-- and given my exposure to science, I have seen how data can be manipulated. My first thought is the fight between Rachel Carson and the folks at Dow over DDT-- and as I understand it, there is still no clear consensus on that issue.

I'm not up to speed on that, so I can't say. Another complicating issue is that there are (of course) so many areas of science where there are competing views and hypotheses and there isn't yet a complete consensus. So in addition to experts who aren't experts and are acting in bad faith, sometimes there is a legitimate scientific dispute at play when two trial experts offer conflicting opinions. (My understanding is that this can be what's going on when a trial judge decides to exclude all expert testimony on some scientific subject in a (criminal) trial )

888 jim in virginia  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 6:30:00pm

re: #840 Killgore Trout

If only there was some sort of grass roots movement to stop this madness...
Strip clubs, marijuana eyed during budget crunch


Legalize and tax prostitution.
A head tax.

889 midwestgak  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 6:30:48pm

re: #879 austin_blue

I am not as pessimistic as you. Your belief, if truly held, has only one obvious solution, and I refuse go there.

Read and know history. Then you might go there.

890 calcajun  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 6:36:00pm

re: #887 iceweasel

That can happen. It's rare, but under a Supreme Court case called Daubert v. Merrell Dow Pharmaceuticals, unless the scientific principles, theories and methods relied on by the testifying expert are generally accepted in the scientific community, the judge can exclude the testimony as being speculative and irrelevant. This is in the Federal system and many states have adopted it.

891 calcajun  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 6:36:35pm

re: #888 jim in virginia

Legalize and tax prostitution.
A head tax.

Anyone who sponsors that bill is going down.

892 calcajun  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 6:37:32pm

re: #886 austin_blue

But, has the same thing occurred in developing countries where the pesticide is still being used?

893 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 6:50:54pm

re: #872 iceweasel

I saw it! I'd commented up there too (and at more length), but let me say again: excellent analysis, thank you!

Here's the link to the actual pew poll, which also supports what you're saying.

[Link: pewresearch.org...]

So I took the little 12 question science quiz that was in that link. What upsets me is that only 10% of the public got these all correct, and honestly most of them are the sorts of questions I would ask someone if they had a recent head injury and I wanted to know if they were ok.

(Bottom line: scientists didn't leave the Republican Party or conservatism; the GOP and what conservatism has become has left them).

894 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 6:57:13pm

re: #880 calcajun

Not just think tanks. Groups and committees that commission studies--any organization which "sponsors" research.

I understand about peer review--I've asked the question in depo of experts about their reports. Some have had the gall to say that they would. Other have become patronizing.

The point is that it has happened so much-- that the impartiality of the opinions have been called into question so many times--that people are reluctant to accept the verdict of science.

As a physicist, you're fortunate to work in a discipline with absolutes. The rest of us aren't so lucky.

I hear you. Again, there is another distinction to make. There is a giant difference between the medical world/ social science world and the research world of the hard sciences.

Expert witnesses for a certain side are by definition part of the legal/political team for that side. This is also not always science. Real science makes the whole case and comes to a conclusion. By definition, people in these positions are making their case. That is not to say that all expert witnesses are shoddy or that they all lie, but what goes on in court rooms or hearings where money, and sometimes really big money is at stake, is a lot different than what goes on in the journals.

895 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 7:09:38pm

re: #882 freetoken

Well, one hopes that would be the case. But as in the recent McClean/Carter paper in JGR has highlighted, the peer review process is not above being gamed by the crafty with a plan.

Over time though, and this is what many of the detractors of science ignore, the peer review process tends to correct errors because of the high premium placed on correcting errors. This is quite different from punditry, where yesterday's blog essay is quickly swept under the rug.

I half agree with you. The fact is that there are preciesly two real questions asked in any real scientific debate.

They are:

1. Did you really see what you think you saw?

and

2. Does that really mean what you think it means?

If someone says something interesting in either question, like say finding a surprising new result, eveyone asks question one first.

If the result claimed is big enough to garner wide attention but just wrong, like say cold fusion, almost instantly, enough other scientists will do enough digging into question one to kill it if it is false. If someone actually cooked their data, they are pretty quickly tossed out of the community. This is one of the reasons why I never understood how anyone could do it. They always, sooner or later get caught. About the only way to not get caught is to write something in a journal so obscure that no one sees it untill after you die. At which point, what's the point?

As to question two, there is more room for debate because there is more of an issue of theory vs. experiment. Those debates all get settled in one of three ways. 1. more evidence comes in from a different experiment that verifies/disproves the initial idea. 2. Someone points out a mathematical error. 3. A better understanding of the mechanism makes the old model this is based on obsolete.

So that said, the scientific community is very self correcting and very self regulating. It needs to be not because we have a thing for error correction per se, but rather because getting our own work right, and our own understanding of things as individual scientists means understanding it and getting it right.

Now this is peer reviewd science done legit. A great example of the other type would be tabbacco doctors who were paid to tell you that smoking was not a health risk. That went on into the 80's and later. The peer reviewd science was settled on smoking back in the 50's

896 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 7:36:06pm

re: #885 jim in virginia

So many straw men, so little time.


. Agreed. And the labels liberal and conservative have been close to useless for at least twenty years.

If only you realized how well you made my own points for me.

Just to list off a few...

1. When you say "weigh all the benefits" with environmental decisions you mean if the profits are there, you will pollute. For most GOP types this has meant way way too much pollution.

2. Stand up to the teacher's union? Excuse me? Like we have too many teachers in this country or that they are overpaid? You must be kidding. If we really cared about education in this nation we would double teachers salaries to make certain we got really good people attracted to the job and we would also double or even triple the number of teachers. But I suppose that is more "wasteful" than all the other pork.

3. You completely made my point about corporate and military research by showing that you have no concept of the importance of fundamental research. The next big breakthrough always comes from fundamental research. It NEVER comes from trying to make a better television or tank. Because of this, the model you propose, as wasteful, actually guarantees no major scientific advances. No one would buy research into the properties of semiconductors in today's market, even though that gave us the transistor and the computer you are reading this on.

4. Please, you have got to be kidding about your comments about the intellectuality of Demcrats. Not that I think Biden is smart, but no one on the Dem side sees being a member of the intellectual elite as a bad thing, and no one in the scientific community (Democratic or Republican) sees folksy and ignorant as a selling point, while the GOP pushes that button very very hard.

And for the record, Biden's IQ was surely higher than the drunk he was shooting his mouth off at. Just not that much higher.

897 calcajun  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 7:37:01pm

re: #895 LudwigVanQuixote

Does that really mean what you think it means?

Your name is Quixote--not Montoya!//

898 A Kiwi Infidel  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 7:45:29pm

Careful what ya post, lizards, coz if its considered defamatory you could get ya ass sued off.

Which wouldnt be nice, just sayin'.

899 A Kiwi Infidel  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 7:48:02pm

And on that sage note I must away and get back to my intercompany balance sheet consolidation headache

900 calcajun  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 8:22:38pm

re: #898 A Kiwi Infidel

Opinion speech is protected-- and that smacks of an opinion. It will go no where.

901 BARACK THE VOTE  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 9:04:53pm

re: #893 LudwigVanQuixote

I just took that quiz because of you, and then looked at the stat breakdown-- This is what disturbed me most: in the multiple choice portion, the question which adults were least likely to answer correctly was this:

How are stem cells different from other cells?
They can develop into many different types of cells

Just 52% get that right. Given the prominence of this issue and the political hoopla over it I'm shocked. How many of the 48% who don't know what stemcells are nonetheless have deep convictions that stem cell research is wrong and oppose funding it? I'm guessing a LOT.


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