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Colonel Tom Edwards: Why is it so important that you want to contact the governments of our earth?

Eros: Because of death. Because all you of Earth are idiots.

Jeff Trent: Now you just hold on, Buster.

Eros: No, you hold on. First was your firecracker, a harmless explosive. Then your hand grenade: you began to kill your own people, a few at a time. Then the bomb. Then a larger bomb: many people are killed at one time. Then your scientists stumbled upon the atom bomb, split the atom. Then the hydrogen bomb, where you actually explode the air itself. Now you can arrange the total destruction of the entire universe served by our sun: The only explosion left is the Solaranite.

Colonel Tom Edwards: Why, there’s no such thing.

— Plan 9 from Outer Space

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1029 comments
1 mrshankly01  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 11:30:05pm

- i need to see that

2 Sharmuta  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 11:30:29pm

My favorite Plan 9 from Outer Space quote:

Modern women!

Yeah- they've been like that all through the ages.

3 mfarmer1  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 11:30:54pm

Makes more sense than Birthers/Nirhters or Moonthers, or whatever the latter are called.

4 Sharmuta  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 11:32:00pm

re: #1 mrshankly01

You can watch it here and not even leave LGF!

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

5 Gus  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 11:32:19pm

re: #3 mfarmer1

Makes more sense than Birthers/Nirhters or Moonthers, or whatever the latter are called.

Moon Hoaxers

I just call 'em kooks.

6 Fenway_Nation  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 11:32:29pm

How did the other eight plans from outer space work out exactly?

7 gmsc  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 11:32:55pm

re: #1 mrshankly01

- i need to see that

Here you go!

Google Video
8 Fenway_Nation  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 11:33:07pm

re: #5 Gus 802

Some astronauts call them punching bags.

9 gmsc  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 11:33:27pm

re: #6 Fenway_Nation

How did the other eight plans from outer space work out exactly?

About as well as WDs 1 through 39 and Preparations A through G.

10 freetoken  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 11:33:42pm

Someone ought to call up Alex Jones and rant about a secret government program to develop "Solaranite" as part of the alternate energy portion of the Cap and Trade bill... and see if he buys it.

11 gmsc  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 11:34:00pm

re: #4 Sharmuta

You can watch it here and not even leave LGF!

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

re: #7 gmsc

Here you go!


[Video]

GMTA!

12 mrshankly01  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 11:34:11pm

re: #4 Sharmuta

thanks sharmuta and gmsc. i will.

13 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 11:34:44pm

Fucking call PETA, I just killed a moth.

14 calcajun  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 11:35:09pm

re: #13 Walter L. Newton

MURDERER!

15 gmsc  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 11:35:10pm

re: #13 Walter L. Newton

Fucking call PETA, I just killed a moth.

What would you like me to call PETA?

16 Gus  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 11:35:21pm

re: #8 Fenway_Nation

Some astronauts call them punching bags.

/The Buzz Aldrin right hook.

17 calcajun  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 11:36:44pm

re: #10 freetoken

Someone ought to call up Alex Jones and rant about a secret government program to develop "Solaranite" as part of the alternate energy portion of the Cap and Trade bill... and see if he buys it.

No, BHO was elected as part of some nefarious plot to bring Eddie Murphy's career back from the dead! Beverly Hills Cop IV?

18 Silvergirl  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 11:37:42pm

Coca-Cola's plan, which may or may not be from outer space, involves fizzy milk.

At first I said ick, then I remembered my long ago love for a purple cow. All grape juicy and milky. But I don't remember it fizzing.

I think I'd try the Tropical Colada first as I tested the fizzy waters of Vio. Why is the 'i' upside down?

19 calcajun  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 11:37:52pm

re: #16 Gus 802

/The Buzz Aldrin right hook.

And that one connected. Never screw with a septuagenarian astronaut!

20 Gus  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 11:37:58pm

re: #17 calcajun

No, BHO was elected as part of some nefarious plot to bring Eddie Murphy's career back from the dead! Beverly Hills Cop IV?

Bubble Hill was a sekrit Masonic temple with an underground tunnel to the NY Federal Reserve. /

21 calcajun  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 11:38:40pm

re: #18 Silvergirl

Yoo Hoo comes to mind-- the fizzy chocolate beverage.

22 pat  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 11:38:55pm

Colonel Tom Edwards was correct. There is no such thing.

23 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 11:39:28pm

re: #21 calcajun

Yoo Hoo comes to mind-- the fizzy chocolate beverage.

Yoo Hoo is not fizzy, there is no carbonation.

24 The Left  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 11:39:33pm

re: #3 mfarmer1

Makes more sense than Birthers/Nirhters or Moonthers, or whatever the latter are called.

The fact that people persist in denying the existence of Solaranite only PROVES that Solaranite exists!!11!!! WHAT ARE THEY HIDING!

/nirther logic

25 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 11:39:35pm

re: #16 Gus 802

/The Buzz Aldrin right hook.

That was a great clip. Its just lovely to watch a pompous windbag get slugged for insulting the wrong person. Sadly, I doubt the windbag learned anything from the experience.

Goodnight, all.

26 Gus  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 11:40:35pm

re: #25 Dark_Falcon

That was a great clip. Its just lovely to watch a pompous windbag get slugged for insulting the wrong person. Sadly, I doubt the windbag learned anything from the experience.

Goodnight, all.

Bart Sibrel is one of the stupidest kooks out there.

Later DF.

27 mrshankly01  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 11:40:43pm

same here, night all.

28 calcajun  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 11:40:46pm

re: #22 pat

Colonel Tom Edwards was correct. There is no such thing.

Colonel Tom Edwards: Why is it so important that you want to contact the governments of our earth?
Eros: Because of death. Because all you of Earth are idiots

29 Sharmuta  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 11:40:55pm

They sent the god of love to stop a war- how apropos.

30 gmsc  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 11:41:27pm

re: #12 mrshankly01

thanks sharmuta and gmsc. i will.

Here's a better way to watch it.

31 calcajun  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 11:41:37pm

re: #23 Walter L. Newton

What am I thinking of--there was a carbonated chocolate drink out there

32 Fenway_Nation  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 11:41:49pm

re: #10 freetoken

Do the troofers, nirthers and moon hoaxers have like a Mad-Libs like template into which they format their conspiracy theories?

' [___ insert event here] was actually an elaborate plan concoted by the [___ insert government agency here] in co-operation with [___insert corpartion's name here] to distract [___ insert nation or group here]'s attention from [___ insert other, concurrent event here]...'

33 Silvergirl  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 11:42:22pm

re: #13 Walter L. Newton

Fucking call PETA, I just killed a moth.

You and that Obama are in league to destroy our air kittehs.

I left my window open a bit tonight and I have several winged creatures on my lampshade and on the monitor. They haven't bothered me yet, but if they get in my face I'll have to get in theirs.

34 The Left  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 11:43:07pm

re: #29 Sharmuta

They sent the god of love to stop a war- how apropos.

Make love not war!

:)

35 Fenway_Nation  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 11:43:43pm

re: #25 Dark_Falcon

re: #16 Gus 802


That was a great clip. Its just lovely to watch a pompous windbag get slugged for insulting the wrong person. Sadly, I doubt the windbag learned anything from the experience.

Goodnight, all.

The Right Stuff Hook

G'nite, Dark falcon!

36 iLikeCandy  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 11:43:48pm

re: #18 Silvergirl

About the fizzy milk, they've got something like it in whatever part of the world you call it that includes Turkey, Iran, and some Arab countries. It's called doogh and it's made by mixing fizzy water and yoghurt. You can buy it in Iranian groceries. It's hard to describe it -- smooth, tart, refreshing. I like it.

37 Silvergirl  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 11:44:10pm

re: #31 calcajun

What am I thinking of--there was a carbonated chocolate drink out there

I'm having a vague memory of one now that you've mentioned it, but I'm not seeing a label. My psychic powers are severely lacking.

38 Gus  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 11:45:36pm

re: #32 Fenway_Nation

Do the troofers, nirthers and moon hoaxers have like a Mad-Libs like template into which they format their conspiracy theories?

' [___ insert event here] was actually an elaborate plan concoted by the [___ insert government agency here] in co-operation with [___insert corpartion's name here] to distract [___ insert nation or group here]'s attention from [___ insert other, concurrent event here]...'

I think they sell those forms at TIA (Troofers Institute of America). /

39 Silvergirl  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 11:45:41pm

re: #36 iLikeCandy

About the fizzy milk, they've got something like it in whatever part of the world you call it that includes Turkey, Iran, and some Arab countries. It's called doogh and it's made by mixing fizzy water and yoghurt. You can buy it in Iranian groceries. It's hard to describe it -- smooth, tart, refreshing. I like it.

I wonder what milk the yogurt is made of? Goat? Camel? I don't like goat milk and I've never had camel milk.

40 axegrinder  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 11:45:58pm

Ed Wood was the greatest director that ever lived up until M. Night Shamealoon burst on the scene. I like Plane 9 only because it has Bela in it.

41 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 11:46:17pm

re: #31 calcajun

What am I thinking of--there was a carbonated chocolate drink out there

A chocolate cream soda, as you use to get in a soda shop, was a combination of chocolate syrup, carbonated water and sometimes a egg yolk to thicken it. When made with the egg yolk, it was commonly call an egg cream soda.

42 calcajun  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 11:46:44pm

re: #40 axegrinder

Ed Wood was the greatest director that ever lived up until M. Night Shamealoon burst on the scene. I like Plane 9 only because it has Bela in it.

Even that's not Bela--it's his chiropractor.

43 calcajun  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 11:47:41pm

re: #41 Walter L. Newton

A chocolate cream soda, as you use to get in a soda shop, was a combination of chocolate syrup, carbonated water and sometimes a egg yolk to thicken it. When made with the egg yolk, it was commonly call an egg cream soda.

I remember the Rexall's near my house made those. I was thinking of a mass-produced product.

44 iLikeCandy  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 11:48:05pm

re: #39 Silvergirl

I wonder what milk the yogurt is made of? Goat? Camel? I don't like goat milk and I've never had camel milk.

I think it's cow juice, unless you're way outside the cities. The stuff in groceries is cow.

45 axegrinder  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 11:49:25pm

re: #42 calcajun

Even that's not Bela--it's his chiropractor.

Aw damn.

46 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 11:49:36pm

re: #43 calcajun

I remember the Rexall's near my house made those. I was thinking of a mass-produced product.

Hmmm, then I don't know off hand.

47 gmsc  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 11:50:15pm

re: #42 calcajun

Even that's not Bela--it's his chiropractor.

re: #45 axegrinder

Aw damn.

Actually, Bela Lugosi is in it. Whenever you can see the full face, it's Bel Lugosi. In the scenes where he keeps his face covered, it's the chiropractor.

48 Fenway_Nation  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 11:50:25pm

Don't Cry For Me Argentina- I'm Doing Just Fine Thanks To Some Shady Real Estate Deals.

-As Composed and Performed by Cristina Fernandez de Kirchner; president of Argentina and composer of show-stopping tunes like "Damn Farmers and Their Abundant Profits"

49 SixDegrees  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 11:50:30pm

re: #6 Fenway_Nation

How did the other eight plans from outer space work out exactly?

Not very well, if they needed Plan 9.

50 calcajun  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 11:50:38pm

re: #46 Walter L. Newton

Hmmm, then I don't know off hand.

I'll give it to my son for a research project.

How's the rain today?

51 Silvergirl  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 11:50:46pm

Does anyone live where they still have an old-fashioned drugstore type soda fountain? They're a little before my own memories but I love the scenes in plays and movies featuring soda jerks in their paper hats and bow ties.

52 calcajun  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 11:51:47pm

re: #51 Silvergirl

There's still a Rexall here in Pacific Beach --I think it has a soda fountain.

53 Macker  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 11:52:41pm

And then there's the colorized version...which I have!

Youtube Video
54 gmsc  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 11:52:51pm

re: #51 Silvergirl

Does anyone live where they still have an old-fashioned drugstore type soda fountain? They're a little before my own memories but I love the scenes in plays and movies featuring soda jerks in their paper hats and bow ties.

Here in Vegas there's a White Cross drug store where you can still order and get served from an old-fashioned soda fountain.

55 Fenway_Nation  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 11:53:00pm

"Dear Penthouse Forum-

I never thought this could happen to a petty criminal like me..."

56 Silvergirl  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 11:53:44pm

re: #44 iLikeCandy

I think it's cow juice, unless you're way outside the cities. The stuff in groceries is cow.

I wasn't expecting that stuff called doogh to be made of cow milk.

Does it comes in different flavors?

57 Gus  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 11:53:47pm

re: #48 Fenway_Nation

Don't Cry For Me Argentina- I'm Doing Just Fine Thanks To Some Shady Real Estate Deals.

-As Composed and Performed by Cristina Fernandez de Kirchner; president of Argentina and composer of show-stopping tunes like "Damn Farmers and Their Abundant Profits"

They're a strange couple. It's late so I'll even say they look weird. Thank goodness they're losing political ground.

58 SixDegrees  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 11:54:26pm

re: #18 Silvergirl

Coca-Cola's plan, which may or may not be from outer space, involves fizzy milk.

At first I said ick, then I remembered my long ago love for a purple cow. All grape juicy and milky. But I don't remember it fizzing.

I think I'd try the Tropical Colada first as I tested the fizzy waters of Vio. Why is the 'i' upside down?

Our Detroit variant, the Brown Cow, was chocolate milk mixed with Vernor's gingerale. Years ago, Vernor's was hyper-carbonated and fizzed like crazy, a feature it's lost in modern incarnations.

It sounds offputting when described, but it's very good.

59 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 11:54:39pm

Powell: Both Gates, police could have handled things better

Ok, here we have another person who wasn't at the scene, stating what should have happened at the scene. Basically the same a Obama did.

What the fuck does Former Secretary of State Colin Powell think he is doing?

Here he goes again sucking up to the Obama administration.

[Link: www.cnn.com...]

60 Silvergirl  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 11:55:10pm

re: #54 gmsc

Here in Vegas there's a White Cross drug store where you can still order and get served from an old-fashioned soda fountain.

Fun! I like those mixers with the big stainless steel cup for whipping up milkshakes. I'll have a chocolate banana malted!

61 sngnsgt  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 11:55:21pm

re: #51 Silvergirl

I just moved from Erie, PA, there was an old Eckards store there that used to serve them just for the sake of serving them because as long as the building had been there, it was always a drug store and was until the owner died. It had an old jukebox and everything.

62 gmsc  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 11:55:45pm

re: #48 Fenway_Nation

Don't Cry For Me Argentina- I'm Doing Just Fine Thanks To Some Shady Real Estate Deals.

-As Composed and Performed by Cristina Fernandez de Kirchner; president of Argentina and composer of show-stopping tunes like "Damn Farmers and Their Abundant Profits"

Chart: Countries that should and should not cry for me.
;)

63 Fenway_Nation  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 11:55:52pm

re: #57 Gus 802


She has that 'Spanish-Teacher-That-Must've-Been -Smokin'-Hot- 20-Years-Ago-But-Still-Looks-Pretty-Good' vibe to her.

That's offset by her tacit alliegence to Hugo Chavez, however.

64 sngnsgt  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 11:56:13pm

re: #54 gmsc

Hello from Vegas ;-)

65 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 11:57:06pm

re: #50 calcajun

I'll give it to my son for a research project.

How's the rain today?

Not much rain, spotty, a few short showers, east on the plains, a big thunder storm was moving toward Kanas as I was coming home from work at the theatre, about 10:30pm tonight.

But cloudy all day, damp, foggy and currently 47 degrees at the Secret Mountain Lair in the Rockies at 8000 feet.

A little lightning around the area off an on.

Strange weather for July in Colorado.

66 calcajun  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 11:57:47pm

re: #55 Fenway_Nation

We all derided that one until some people too offense of other making light of rape.

Still I recall "The Life of Brian";

Brian:

Mom, you mean you were raped?


Mrs. Cohen:

At first, yeah

.

67 gmsc  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 11:57:53pm

Best fizzy drink out there:

Youtube Video
68 Gus  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 11:58:14pm

re: #63 Fenway_Nation

She has that 'Spanish-Teacher-That-Must've-Been -Smokin'-Hot- 20-Years-Ago-But-Still-Looks-Pretty-Good' vibe to her.

That's offset by her tacit alliegence to Hugo Chavez, however.

She basically invited Zelaya to Buenos Aires. If I'm not mistaken she was also on that plane when he tried to make his return to Honduras.

69 Silvergirl  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 11:58:16pm

re: #58 SixDegrees

Our Detroit variant, the Brown Cow, was chocolate milk mixed with Vernor's gingerale. Years ago, Vernor's was hyper-carbonated and fizzed like crazy, a feature it's lost in modern incarnations.

It sounds offputting when described, but it's very good.

I love the strong ginger taste of Reed's. Vernor's is about equal with Canada Dry, et al.

70 Silvergirl  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 11:59:33pm

re: #67 gmsc

Best fizzy drink out there:

Yes but that element of danger is there because you end up floating to the ceiling where those wicked fan blades will get you.

71 calcajun  Tue, Jul 28, 2009 11:59:41pm

re: #65 Walter L. Newton

Not much rain, spotty, a few short showers, east on the plains, a big thunder storm was moving toward Kanas as I was coming home from work at the theatre, about 10:30pm tonight.

But cloudy all day, damp, foggy and currently 47 degrees at the Secret Mountain Lair in the Rockies at 8000 feet.

A little lightning around the area off an on.

Strange weather for July in Colorado.

Looks like all the rain is stopping there and Texas is drying up. You might get an early fall.

72 gmsc  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 12:00:00am

Today in History, July 29th:

Youtube Video

Highlights of this day in history: Britain's Prince Charles marries Lady Diana Spencer; Italy's fascist dictator Benito Mussolini born; President Dwight Eisenhower signs an act creating NASA; Artist Vincent Van Gogh dies.

Other notable July 29th events include:

1836 – Inauguration of the Arc de Triomphe in Paris.

1901 – The Socialist Party of America founded.

1921 – Adolf Hitler becomes leader of the National Socialist German Workers Party.

1957 – The International Atomic Energy Agency is established.

1959 – First United States Congress elections in Hawaii as a state of the Union.

1996 – The controversial child protection portion of the Communications Decency Act is struck down as too broad by a U.S. federal court.

73 zombie  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 12:00:03am
Eros: No, you hold on. First was your firecracker, a harmless explosive. Then your hand grenade: you began to kill your own people, a few at a time. Then the bomb. Then a larger bomb: many people are killed at one time. Then your scientists stumbled upon the atom bomb, split the atom. Then the hydrogen bomb, where you actually explode the air itself. Now you can arrange the total destruction of the entire universe served by our sun: The only explosion left is the Solaranite.

I nominate Eros to be Science Czar!

74 freetoken  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 12:00:22am

re: #32 Fenway_Nation

The script was written for them over 40 years ago... they just follow the script:

Youtube Video

/prefer this clip to the one I posted earlier

/Ice cream!

75 gmsc  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 12:00:32am

re: #70 Silvergirl

Yes but that element of danger is there because you end up floating to the ceiling where those wicked fan blades will get you.

Well, if you're going to pick out every little flaw, there is that . . .

76 zombie  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 12:01:03am

re: #72 gmsc

72 gmsc 7/29/09 12:00:00 am

Now that is precision!

77 gmsc  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 12:01:51am

re: #76 zombie

72 gmsc 7/29/09 12:00:00 am

Now that is precision!

I try! I try!
:)

78 Gus  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 12:02:00am

re: #76 zombie

72 gmsc 7/29/09 12:00:00 am

Now that is precision!

Downright Teutonic. /

79 zombie  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 12:02:25am

re: #42 calcajun

Even that's not Bela--it's his chiropractor.

Just the second half I thought. Weren't there a few scenes with the real Bela before he kicked the bucket?

80 calcajun  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 12:02:50am

re: #76 zombie

Their PC is hooked into an atomic co...clock, yeah clock.

81 Fenway_Nation  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 12:03:17am

re: #68 Gus 802


Oh? I was studying up on her and her husband's political tendencies before that situation in Honduras broke. I wasn't sure if they were out and out lefties or were trying to play the USA off of Hugo Chavez so they could try and get concessions from both.

Given her criticism of farmers turning a profit (and having the audacity of hope to complain about an overnight increase of 14% in export tarriffs) I'm not surprised.

I hope Morales and Chavez become just as popular in their countries as she is in hers right now.

/If there were brewers complaing about the increased tarriffs, would that make it The Audacity of Hops?

82 calcajun  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 12:03:25am

re: #79 zombie

The only scene with Bela is in the beginning outside the garage.

83 zombie  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 12:03:30am

re: #78 Gus 802

Downright Teutonic. /

I nominate gmsc to be Director of Italian Railways under Mussolini!

84 gmsc  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 12:04:12am

In 1953, there was a western released called The Charge at Feather River. In it, a character named Wilhelm is shot, and he screams as he is dying.

You may or may not remember that character or movie, but I guarantee you've heard Wilhelm's scream over and over again in many of your favorite movies:

Youtube Video
85 Last Mohican  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 12:04:21am

re: #59 Walter L. Newton

Powell: Both Gates, police could have handled things better

Ok, here we have another person who wasn't at the scene, stating what should have happened at the scene. Basically the same a Obama did.

What the fuck does Former Secretary of State Colin Powell think he is doing?

Here he goes again sucking up to the Obama administration.

[Link: www.cnn.com...]

I brought up this article in the last thread, and expressed my outrage at Powell's baseless statement that Sergeant Crowley's actions were racially motivated.

Oddly enough, I'm currently being hammered over there for supposedly saying that all cops are racists.

Just goes to show you... something, I guess.

86 calcajun  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 12:04:58am

re: #84 gmsc

In hundred of movies-- including Star Wars.

87 gmsc  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 12:05:10am

re: #82 calcajun

The only scene with Bela is in the beginning outside the garage.

It's pretty easy to tell: Full face - Bela Lugosi. Face hidden by cape - Chiropractor

88 SixDegrees  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 12:05:26am

re: #69 Silvergirl

I love the strong ginger taste of Reed's. Vernor's is about equal with Canada Dry, et al.

You may be thinking of something else. Vernors has a very strong ginger flavor; Canada Dry has none, as far as I can tell.

I've never had Reeds, but I've heard it mentioned as being comparable to Vernors. Reeds isn't sold around here, that I've ever noticed, but I'll see if I can find some for comparison.

89 zombie  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 12:05:32am

re: #82 calcajun

The only scene with Bela is in the beginning outside the garage.

OK, so the last 3/4s is the chiropractor. But not the entire film!

When study Woodology, precision is everything!

90 gmsc  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 12:05:54am

re: #86 calcajun

In hundred of movies-- including Star Wars.

Yeah, apparently Wilhelm was promoted to stormtrooper under Vader.

91 Gus  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 12:06:12am

re: #81 Fenway_Nation

Oh? I was studying up on her and her husband's political tendencies before that situation in Honduras broke. I wasn't sure if they were out and out lefties or were trying to play the USA off of Hugo Chavez so they could try and get concessions from both.

Given her criticism of farmers turning a profit (and having the audacity of hope to complain about an overnight increase of 14% in export tarriffs) I'm not surprised.

I hope Morales and Chavez become just as popular in their countries as she is in hers right now.

/If there were brewers complaing about the increased tarriffs, would that make it The Audacity of Hops?

Yeah, they're always milking the lefties and communists.

News search:

[Link: news.google.com...]

During a recent press conference:

Image: zelaya-kirchner-436.jpg

92 calcajun  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 12:07:19am

re: #89 zombie

OK, so the last 3/4s is the chiropractor. But not the entire film!

When study Woodology, precision is everything!

I thought angora was. Silly me.

93 TheMatrix31  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 12:07:24am

Mussolini, Hitler joins NSDP, Socialist Party of US formed?

That's a nervewracking day.

94 Sharmuta  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 12:07:43am

Shatner Inspired by Palin

95 Gus  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 12:07:48am

re: #92 calcajun

I thought angora was. Silly me.

Is that angora Dora?

/

96 Racer X  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 12:08:01am

re: #60 Silvergirl

Fun! I like those mixers with the big stainless steel cup for whipping up milkshakes. I'll have a chocolate banana malted!

How would you like to go to your favorite fast food place and have a choice of over 100 drinks on the soda fountain?

Coca-Cola's 100-Flavor Interactive Freestyle Soda Fountain in Action [video]

This looks cool!

97 Last Mohican  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 12:08:43am

re: #88 SixDegrees

You may be thinking of something else. Vernors has a very strong ginger flavor; Canada Dry has none, as far as I can tell.

I've never had Reeds, but I've heard it mentioned as being comparable to Vernors. Reeds isn't sold around here, that I've ever noticed, but I'll see if I can find some for comparison.

Thirty-two brands of ginger ale/beer, available for mailorder.

98 calcajun  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 12:08:48am

Nite, y'all.

99 gmsc  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 12:09:07am

re: #76 zombie

72 gmsc 7/29/09 12:00:00 am

Now that is precision!

You may want to go back and see some of my previous "Today in History" posts - most of them are posted at either 12:00:00 or 12:00:01.

100 Sharmuta  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 12:09:12am

re: #72 gmsc

A glorious day for fascists, it seems.

101 gmsc  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 12:09:20am

re: #98 calcajun

Nite, y'all.

Niters, calcajun!

102 freetoken  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 12:09:31am

re: #84 gmsc

Ay... The Wilhelm Scream.


If Charles would add sound effects to this blog, there would be never ending use of the Wilhelm scream!

103 Gus  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 12:09:48am
Kiss my aura . . . Dora . . .
M-M-M . . . it's real angora
Would y'all like some more-a?
Right here on the flora?
An' how 'bout you, Fauna?
Y'wanna?

Zappa

104 Fenway_Nation  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 12:10:10am

re: #98 calcajun

G'nite person of the Acadian persuasion presumbaly residing somewhere in California!

105 Silvergirl  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 12:12:18am

re: #88 SixDegrees

You may be thinking of something else. Vernors has a very strong ginger flavor; Canada Dry has none, as far as I can tell.

I've never had Reeds, but I've heard it mentioned as being comparable to Vernors. Reeds isn't sold around here, that I've ever noticed, but I'll see if I can find some for comparison.

I've only had Vernor's in cans, and haven't been impressed with a real bite of ginger.

106 Last Mohican  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 12:12:44am

re: #104 Fenway_Nation

G'nite person of the Acadian persuasion presumbaly residing somewhere in California!

A song I like about about a person of the Acadian persuasion who resides in California. (sorry, it's only a snippet. Here are the lyrics and a translation).

107 gmsc  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 12:13:57am

re: #100 Sharmuta

A glorious day for fascists, it seems.

I noticed that, so I couldn't help but sneak the Hawaii anniversary in there.
;)


/"Is the correct pronunciation 'Hawaii' or 'Havaii'?"
//"Havaii."
///"Thank you."
///"You're velcome."

108 gmsc  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 12:14:47am

re: #106 Last Mohican

A song I like about about a person of the Acadian persuasion who resides in California. (sorry, it's only a snippet. Here are the lyrics and a translation).

"Acadia, Acadia. Have you met Acadia? Acadia, the tattooed lady . . ."

109 Fenway_Nation  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 12:15:15am

re: #106 Last Mohican

Oh thank god...I thought it was some sort of Britney Spears reference...

110 Last Mohican  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 12:16:38am

re: #109 Fenway_Nation

Oh thank god...I thought it was some sort of Britney Spears reference...

No! Is there a Britney Spears song about a similar subject?

On second thought, if there is, I probably don't need to know.

111 Silvergirl  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 12:17:01am

re: #97 Last Mohican

Thirty-two brands of ginger ale/beer, available for mailorder.

Thirty-two bottles of ale on the wall, thirty-two bottles of ale . . .

112 Last Mohican  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 12:17:45am

re: #111 Silvergirl

Thirty-two bottles of ale on the wall, thirty-two bottles of ale . . .

If some of those bottles should happen to be temporarily out of stock...

113 Last Mohican  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 12:18:10am

Okay, the overnight thread is traditionally my cue that it's time for me to go to sleep.

Good night, all.

114 Fenway_Nation  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 12:19:08am

re: #110 Last Mohican

Nah- Spears herself is from louisiana...which means some people assume that she's of Cajun background.

115 SixDegrees  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 12:19:24am

re: #105 Silvergirl

I've only had Vernor's in cans, and haven't been impressed with a real bite of ginger.

Originally, it was bottled at about twice the pressure of today's sodas; the extra CO2 gave it an intense fizziness that has been lost entirely in modern incarnations; I don't think modern cans would hold the pressure. As far as the taste goes, I can't compare, but I'll see if I can locate some; Reed's site claims there are local distributors, but their list is very out of date and has lots of stores on it that no longer exist.

Too bad they don't offer a diet version. Sugar and I don't get along well, but a single soda won't be a problem.

116 Silvergirl  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 12:20:47am

re: #96 Racer X

How would you like to go to your favorite fast food place and have a choice of over 100 drinks on the soda fountain?

Coca-Cola's 100-Flavor Interactive Freestyle Soda Fountain in Action [video]

This looks cool!

Not as cool as a paper hat and a bow tie, but it looks fun in a cold modernistic way.

I like Dr. Pepper, but they don't have the cherry DP at most restaurants.

117 Gus  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 12:20:53am

Colorful Boeing C-17 Globemaster for Qatar Emiri Air Force

Rather unusual.

118 Fenway_Nation  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 12:21:15am

OK...all this talk about Ginger Ale.

Am I the only one who remembers Birch Beer?

Fondly?

119 gmsc  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 12:22:17am

Funniest quote from the previous thread:

re: #370 mrshankly01

Excerpt:
Rationing has to occur. This sounds cold and cruel, but it is reality. A=A. If you have a material good or service, like health care, that is ever increasing in quality, and therefore cost . . .

Yep. That's exactly why I've stuck with my vinyl records, analog radio, 64K computer and 8-bit game system for more than 25 years now. Sure, we have products that have increased in quality, but they've also increased in cost beyond all those things.

I guess we better start rationing those computers, DVDs, iPods . . .

120 TheMatrix31  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 12:23:25am

Disgusting

121 Gus  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 12:24:03am

re: #119 gmsc

Funniest quote from the previous thread:

Yep. That's exactly why I've stuck with my vinyl records, analog radio, 64K computer and 8-bit game system for more than 25 years now. Sure, we have products that have increased in quality, but they've also increased in cost beyond all those things.

I guess we better start rationing those computers, DVDs, iPods . . .

DVD insurance?

"Article 12 of the 2nd Bill of Rights -- All citizens have a right to adequate DVDs, iPods, and computers."

//

122 gmsc  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 12:26:11am

re: #121 Gus 802

DVD insurance?

"Article 12 of the 2nd Bill of Rights -- All citizens have a right to adequate DVDs, iPods, and computers."

//

We should have technology insurance before 0bama leaves office, so I'm not sure if I'd joke about it.

123 Gus  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 12:27:13am

re: #122 gmsc

We should have technology insurance before 0bama leaves office, so I'm not sure if I'd joke about it.

I know.

Technology as a means to economic freedom.

/For the disenfranchised.

/

124 gmsc  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 12:27:39am

re: #120 TheMatrix31

Disgusting

Actually, it's quite handy. Instead of subjecting her to the expense of an X-ray machine, they can just hold her up to 100-watt bulb.

125 Silvergirl  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 12:28:08am

re: #120 TheMatrix31

Disgusting

Can that be real? What is causing her veins to bulge like that?

126 Gus  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 12:29:19am

re: #124 gmsc

Actually, it's quite handy. Instead of subjecting her to the expense of an X-ray machine, they can just hold her up to 100-watt bulb.

Shouldn't that be a 23-Watt compact fluorescent 100-Watt equivalent?

/

127 gmsc  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 12:29:30am

re: #126 Gus 802

Shouldn't that be a 23-Watt compact fluorescent 100-Watt equivalent?

/

No.

128 Silvergirl  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 12:30:49am

re: #118 Fenway_Nation

OK...all this talk about Ginger Ale.

Am I the only one who remembers Birch Beer?

Fondly?

I don't know of it. I just looked it up and read that it's kind of like root beer.

129 Gus  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 12:31:33am

re: #127 gmsc

No.

I saw that image of Madonna this morning over at the Daily Mail. Sinewy. I'm trying to figure out where I saw those arms before. Some actor in a war movie or something. ;)

130 gmsc  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 12:32:35am

re: #129 Gus 802

I saw that image of Madonna this morning over at the Daily Mail. Sinewy. I'm trying to figure out where I saw those arms before. Some actor in a war movie or something. ;)

They're the Wilhelm arms.

///

131 Gus  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 12:37:32am

re: #130 gmsc

They're the Wilhelm arms.

///

Here's her dermatologist.

Strange looking dude.

132 sngnsgt  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 12:37:41am

re: #120 TheMatrix31

Disgusting

E-e-yuk!

133 gmsc  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 12:40:44am

re: #131 Gus 802

Here's her dermatologist.

Strange looking dude.

I know I've seen him somewhere before. Where was it?

Oh, yeah . . .

Youtube Video
134 Gus  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 12:42:27am

re: #133 gmsc

I know I've seen him somewhere before. Where was it?

Oh, yeah . . .


[Video]

Plastic head man! /

135 gmsc  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 12:43:08am

re: #134 Gus 802

Plastic head man! /

Better assortment of clips:

Youtube Video
136 Gus  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 12:45:39am

re: #135 gmsc

Better assortment of clips:

[Video]

Here he is without the make-up.

137 Silvergirl  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 12:45:39am

No late night for me tonight; can't make fruitcup. :-(

Good-night, lizards!

138 jvic  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 12:47:32am

The synopsis sounds like Plan 9 really could have been the worst movie ever made. (But just think what Plan 10 would be like!)

This caught my eye:

Plan 9 from Outer Space is considered by many to be the worst film ever made, and is referenced often in popular culture. But reception from professional critics was generally positive: the review site Rotten Tomatoes reported that 62% of critics gave the film positive reviews. When the film Battlefield Earth was reviewed by the New York Times, film critic Elvis Mitchell referred to it as being "Plan Nine From Outer Space for a new generation."[5] The Bell Labs successor to the Unix operating system was named Plan 9 from Bell Labs in honor of the film.[6] In the film Charlie and the Chocolate Factory, the Oompa-Loompas use the same gesture to salute Willy Wonka as the aliens in Plan 9 from Outer Space use to salute their leader.[7]

Every generation thinks it's the Ultimate Generation. (It seems unlikely to me, but maybe in another 50 years critical opinion of Plan 9 will have swung again.)

139 Fenway_Nation  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 12:48:32am

re: #120 TheMatrix31

I'll have to try and counter that with some 50+ brain bleach.

140 gmsc  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 12:48:36am

re: #138 jvic

Every generation thinks it's the Ultimate Generation. (It seems unlikely to me, but maybe in another 50 years critical opinion of Plan 9 will have swung again.)

That's the problem. Mine thought it was the Pepsi Generation.
:%P%

141 Dancing along the light of day  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 12:50:02am

Hello, Honco Lizards!
What's the scoop of the day??
Hope y'all are well?

142 gmsc  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 12:50:48am

re: #139 Fenway_Nation

I'll have to try and counter that with some 50+ brain bleach.

They call that eye candy? I clicked "Christina Ricci" and what do I get?

"This is what Christina Ricci looks like coming out of a shopping mall from the right side with her left foot forward."

"This is what Christina Ricci looks like coming out of a shopping mall from the right side with her right foot forward."

"Now, let's see the same thing again from the left side . . ."

143 TheMatrix31  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 12:51:46am

re: #139 Fenway_Nation

I'll have to try and counter that with some 50+ brain bleach.

Woohoo

144 BignJames  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 12:51:46am

re: #115 SixDegrees

If you really like ginger ale...try this

145 freetoken  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 12:52:39am

re: #138 jvic

I've never been able to sit through a complete screening of Plan 9. I doubt I ever will.

146 BignJames  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 12:54:10am

re: #118 Fenway_Nation

OK...all this talk about Ginger Ale.

Am I the only one who remembers Birch Beer?

Fondly?

I like Birch Beer...haven't had one in 40+ yrs. tho...

147 gmsc  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 12:55:04am

re: #145 freetoken

I've never been able to sit through a complete screening of Plan 9. I doubt I ever will.

When MST3K won't touch a movie, it must be bad . . .

148 Dancing along the light of day  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 12:55:30am

I'm having major fart-lock on this computer.
Would have liked to stay & play, but the connectivity is getting in the way.
Hope to see y'all soon, and play nicely!

149 Fenway_Nation  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 12:56:36am

re: #146 BignJames

I had one earlier this month...Polar Birch Beer- at a Hannaford's in upstate NY.

About as good as I remembered it.

150 gmsc  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 12:58:01am

re: #148 Floral Giraffe

I'm having major fart-lock on this computer.
Would have liked to stay & play, but the connectivity is getting in the way.
Hope to see y'all soon, and play nicely!

Night, fart-lo . . . er, Floral Giraffe!

/I hate how when I'm typing while I type, I accidentally type a word I'm saying

151 jvic  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 12:58:17am

re: #140 gmsc

That's the problem. Mine thought it was the Pepsi Generation. :%P%

Heh. Worse, I'm a 60s boomer. In both senses now. ;-(

If not for my two years of typing at an Army base in GA, I don't think I could hold my head up in public after the Great Boomer Tantrum of the 1960s.

152 jvic  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 1:03:40am

re: #145 freetoken

I've never been able to sit through a complete screening of Plan 9. I doubt I ever will.

Did Mystery Science Theater ever feature it? (Btw, I wish that MST DVDs weren't so expensive.)

153 jvic  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 1:04:21am

Oops, I missed gmsc's post.

Time to try and get some sleep...

154 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 1:07:36am

I have an idea for the nirthers. Maybe they can stay busy trying to prove that black race baiter Gibbs and police officer Crowley are related.

Oh wait, they are...

[Link: abcnews.go.com...]

155 gmsc  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 1:09:11am

re: #154 Walter L. Newton

I have an idea for the nirthers. Maybe they can stay busy trying to prove that black race baiter Gibbs and police officer Crowley are related.

Oh wait, they are...

[Link: abcnews.go.com...]

Hey, if you go back far enough, we all are . . .

156 Fenway_Nation  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 1:10:50am

re: #142 gmsc

Meh...I don't get my hopes up too high with any stalker-azzi site.

Having said that, I'm pleasantly surprised at how good Jennifer Tilly looks at the half-century mark...looks like the 'little black dress' photos were taken at the Kentucky Derby this year or last year. P

/Plus there's something about a sultry, buxom, squeaky-voiced World Series of Poker winner...

157 Gus  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 1:12:03am

re: #154 Walter L. Newton

I have an idea for the nirthers. Maybe they can stay busy trying to prove that black race baiter Gibbs and police officer Crowley are related.

Oh wait, they are...

[Link: abcnews.go.com...]

You mean Gates. I've avoided reading this until now. Interesting. You know, looking at the side by side. You can see some similar features.

158 freetoken  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 1:15:56am

re: #156 Fenway_Nation

I must be getting older... I don't recognize over 80% of the names on that list.

159 Fenway_Nation  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 1:20:33am

re: #157 Gus 802

This is all going to go away after Gates, Crowley and the used-car-salesman-in-chief break bread open a cold one Thursday.

0bama thought he had a golden opportunity for him and his ivy-league whackademic race-baiting friends to lecture the public on how racist America is as a society and how they must do something to remedy the situation.

Since he's in the wrong, this means he can't frame the debate on his terms and instead of a 'teachable lesson' on jumping to conclusions, it will disappear.

Which really is too bad, because the more he steps his foot into a matter that would barely make the police blotter of a small-town newspaper, the less time he has to screw the pooch regarding Pakistan, 0bamacare, Israel, a second stimulus, Latin America, card check, Russia, cap and trade, etc etc.

160 Gus  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 1:21:37am

re: #142 gmsc

They call that eye candy? I clicked "Christina Ricci" and what do I get?

"This is what Christina Ricci looks like coming out of a shopping mall from the right side with her left foot forward."

"This is what Christina Ricci looks like coming out of a shopping mall from the right side with her right foot forward."

"Now, let's see the same thing again from the left side . . ."

You, know. I've been looking through those and there sure is a lot of shopping going on and a lot of large expensive cars. And these are the same folks telling us to "go green" or be "less materialistic" in some goofy late night talk show rant.

161 Fenway_Nation  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 1:22:19am

re: #158 freetoken

I'd like to think I'm not that old and I think I only recognize 5% of the names listed there, freetoken.

162 Karridine  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 1:24:20am

Plan 7-Point-3, beta

has arrived!

Hold your applause...

163 Fenway_Nation  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 1:25:26am

re: #162 Karridine

Plan 7-Point-3, beta

has arrived!

Hold your applause...

You're late- we're already up to plan 10.3...

164 Gus  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 1:25:50am

re: #159 Fenway_Nation

That's true, it's a useful diversion. Although I have to admit I would like to see it go away. There's been a lot of over reaction on many sides. Glad the Cambridge PD spoke their mind and I hope many will see Sgt. Crowley in a different light as a result since the stigma of being called a racist is a heavy burden even if it's a false accusation. Time to cut the man some slack. Also, after suffering through that Jena 6 fraud I think we need to move on.

165 TheMatrix31  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 1:27:06am

LMAO.

I just conducted a "joke interview" with this female that I like...and it ended like this...

[01:24AM] --- : You're not a real journalist, you slimy green hairball Democrat!


...I'm IN LOVE.

166 Fenway_Nation  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 1:30:04am

re: #165 TheMatrix31


But can she drive an 18-wheeler? Win $158,000 in a poker tournament?

/

167 TheMatrix31  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 1:33:16am

re: #166 Fenway_Nation

But can she drive an 18-wheeler? Win $158,000 in a poker tournament?

/

Probably not, but I'll settle for anyone who can make random comments about hating Democrats.

168 Karridine  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 1:41:06am

re: #163 Fenway_Nation

Dang.

back to the chalkboard...

Howzit, Fenway? :D

169 Fenway_Nation  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 1:42:21am

Pretty good- printing up a few copies of my resume before heading off to bed.

170 Gus  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 1:45:01am

Later folks.

171 TheMatrix31  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 1:45:31am

Later Gus.

172 Fenway_Nation  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 1:50:16am

Bye gus!

173 littleoldlady  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 1:50:20am

tap! tap! tap!

174 Fenway_Nation  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 1:52:08am

Oh...I thought I scared off the lizard-ettes with my blatant misogyny.

175 littleoldlady  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 1:53:27am

Lizard-ettes sounds like handbag material...

176 TheMatrix31  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 1:54:33am

re: #175 littleoldlady

Lizard-ettes sounds like handbag material...

The material in my car is "leatherette", lmao.

177 Fenway_Nation  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 1:54:36am

I thought handbags would be more gator-ette.

178 gmsc  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 1:55:38am

Paging Sarah Connorre: #173 littleoldlady

tap! tap! tap!

Howdy, littleoldlady!

179 littleoldlady  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 1:56:11am

re: #177 Fenway_Nation

Only rich people can afford gator-ette.

But I hear Florida has an...um...interesting snake problem so we may see a nice reduction in price in skin handbags soon.

180 littleoldlady  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 1:56:33am

gmsc! :-)

181 Fenway_Nation  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 1:57:38am

re: #179 littleoldlady

Either that or an increase in the availability of exotic meats.

182 BignJames  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 1:59:36am

re: #179 littleoldlady

Only rich people can afford gator-ette.

But I hear Florida has an...um...interesting snake problem so we may see a nice reduction in price in skin handbags soon.


Some scientists (well I guess they're scientists) in Aiken SC have some of those snakes in an enclosure to determine if they can survive this far north. That's not too far from here.

183 gmsc  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 1:59:43am

Paging Sarah Connor

Maybe I have watched too many movies, but it just does not seem like this will end well:

In its recently released “Unmanned Aircraft Systems Flight Plan 2009-2047″ report, the US Air Force details a drone that could fly over a target and then make the decision whether or not to launch an attack, all without human intervention. The Air Force says that increasingly, humans will monitor situations, rather than be deciders or participants, and that “advances in AI will enable systems to make combat decisions and act within legal and policy constraints without necessarily requiring human input.”

I will eschew some obvious Terminator clips and go a little old school

Youtube Video

The original version of this scene actually did not make the theaters because it was too violent for the time. If you want the full gore, [you can see it below]. The clip begins with the theatrical release, and then it replays the whole thing with the deleted bits.

Full gore version:

Youtube Video
184 littleoldlady  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 2:00:03am

Good morning, afternoon, evening *everyone*!™

Fruitcup is on the buffet --->
Help yourselves!

185 Fenway_Nation  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 2:00:04am

Any exotic meat in tonight's fruitcup?

186 gmsc  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 2:00:20am

re: #184 littleoldlady

Good morning, afternoon, evening *everyone*!™

Fruitcup is on the buffet --->
Help yourselves!

Yummy!

187 littleoldlady  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 2:01:04am

re: #182 BignJames

BignJames! :-)

WHY?!

188 gmsc  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 2:01:26am

Nothing like a full bloody and gory video right before fruitcup, eh?
;)

189 littleoldlady  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 2:01:31am

Fenway! :-)

I sure hope NOT!

190 Fenway_Nation  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 2:01:48am

re: #188 gmsc

Them's good eatin'?

191 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 2:02:10am

re: #179 littleoldlady

Only rich people can afford gator-ette.

But I hear Florida has an...um...interesting snake problem so we may see a nice reduction in price in skin handbags soon.

They caught a 14 foot python 300 yards from a day care. Dude crawled 25 feet into a pipe to capture it.

192 littleoldlady  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 2:02:27am

gmsc,

Only if one actually WATCHES it.

/thanks for the warning... ;-)

193 BignJames  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 2:02:55am

re: #187 littleoldlady

BignJames! :-)

WHY?!

So you won't be surprised if you see one in your chicken coop?

194 gmsc  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 2:03:41am

re: #190 Fenway_Nation

Them's good eatin'?

Or "ED-ing" in this case.

195 Fenway_Nation  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 2:04:08am

re: #191 Cannadian Club Akbar

Pythons aren't indegenous, but the conditions in Florida aren't that different from wherever the hell they came from that they're starting to thrive I guess.

196 theheat  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 2:04:11am

re: #185 Fenway_Nation

Try some blue rat with fruitcup.

197 gmsc  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 2:04:27am

re: #192 littleoldlady

gmsc,

Only if one actually WATCHES it.

/thanks for the warning... ;-)

The first video isn't so bad. The worst you see is gunfire at the end.

It's the 2nd that contains the blood and guts.

198 littleoldlady  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 2:05:29am

re: #191 Cannadian Club Akbar

Cannadian Club Akbar! :-)

So I should change that to nightmarish snake problem. :-(

199 theheat  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 2:05:31am

re: #184 littleoldlady

I'm having the blue M&Ms with my fruitcup. Been reading about the blue dye and spinal injuries tonight. Pretty interesting.

200 srb1976  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 2:06:19am

Morning everyone! Coffee is almost ready, better half's nephew and grand-nephew (nephew's kid) are here to visit, so, of course, I have to be at work long before they get up = )

201 littleoldlady  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 2:06:25am

re: #193 BignJames

Kill 'em while they're still in Florida!

202 Fenway_Nation  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 2:06:27am

re: #196 theheat

Start culling numbers of Canadian Geese in the north and the escaped pythons thriving in the south and offer them up as delicacies.

203 BignJames  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 2:07:13am

re: #195 Fenway_Nation

Pythons aren't indegenous, but the conditions in Florida aren't that different from wherever the hell they came from that they're starting to thrive I guess.


Yeah, they have established a sustaining population...now how far north can they survive? Remember, fire ants and killer bees were from South America...spooky.

204 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 2:07:24am

re: #195 Fenway_Nation

Pythons aren't indegenous, but the conditions in Florida aren't that different from wherever the hell they came from that they're starting to thrive I guess.

SE Asia. I have heard numbers of 175,000 in the Everglades.

205 littleoldlady  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 2:07:27am

theheat! :-)

Any color M&Ms will do, thankyewverymuch!

/pass 'em over

srb! :-)

206 TheMatrix31  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 2:07:32am

Thanks, LoL!

207 littleoldlady  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 2:07:57am

Matrix! :-)

208 gmsc  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 2:08:04am

re: #199 theheat

I'm having the blue M&Ms with my fruitcup. Been reading about the blue dye and spinal injuries tonight. Pretty interesting.

Wait until you learn about that ever-popular medical condition known as "Smilin' Mighty Jesus".

209 TheMatrix31  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 2:08:18am

re: #183 gmsc

Paging Sarah Connor

I will eschew some obvious Terminator clips and go a little old school


[Video]

The FIRST thing I thought about when I heard this story was Skynet.

210 Fenway_Nation  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 2:08:21am

re: #204 Cannadian Club Akbar

re: #203 BignJames

You say 'invasive species', I say 'niche market'

211 BignJames  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 2:09:10am

re: #201 littleoldlady

Kill 'em while they're still in Florida!

Sounds like a plan...

212 gmsc  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 2:10:09am

re: #209 TheMatrix31

The FIRST thing I thought about when I heard this story was Skynet.

I'd love to hear the congressional briefing about this drone, especially if a Congressman asks, "So, this drone could, say, make sure someone named Sarah Connor is present before it decides to attack?"

213 littleoldlady  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 2:10:23am

re: #210 Fenway_Nation

That's using the ole noggin'!

/Profit Centers 'R Us™

214 Fenway_Nation  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 2:10:25am

Of course,,,now that I think about it, how many of the Gators down south make it to somebody's dinner plate? Or luggage? or shoes? or handbags?

215 BignJames  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 2:10:47am

re: #210 Fenway_Nation

re: #203 BignJames

You say 'invasive species', I say 'niche market'


And it's ON SALE!

216 freetoken  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 2:11:22am

re: #184 littleoldlady

Fruitcup is on the buffet --->

Ummm... you didn't happen to fluoridate the fruitcup, did you?

217 Fenway_Nation  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 2:11:23am

re: #215 BignJames

Or Floridians can try and pull their own from a drainage pipe.

/results may vary

218 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 2:11:35am

re: #201 littleoldlady

Kill 'em while they're still in Florida!

I think they are only sending out reptile experts to catch them at this point. Wait 'til the rednecks down here get the green light.

219 TheMatrix31  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 2:11:38am

re: #212 gmsc

I'd love to hear the congressional briefing about this drone, especially if a Congressman asks, "So, this drone could, say, make sure someone named Sarah Connor is present before it decides to attack?"

Libs will only cheer if it's Sarah Palin present.

Pissed me off...during the election last year, the possibilities for John/Sarah Terminator puns were off the fucking charts!

220 BignJames  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 2:12:05am

re: #214 Fenway_Nation

Of course,,,now that I think about it, how many of the Gators down south make it to somebody's dinner plate? Or luggage? or shoes? or handbags?


Not 'cause we didn't try...dadgum Feds.

221 Fenway_Nation  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 2:13:31am

re: #220 BignJames

Of course, the reason we might see the 'reduced prices' (as it were) on that webiste is a sudden domestically available source of pythons.

222 littleoldlady  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 2:14:04am

re: #216 freetoken

freetoken! :-)

Nope. Snakeade.

/it's not just for breakfast...

223 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 2:14:31am

There is a spot down here called Boca Grande, someone dropped off 2 iguanas about 20 years ago. Beautiful place, 'cept for the iguanas.

224 TheMatrix31  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 2:15:17am

John and Sarah -- Come With Us If You Want To Live

225 gmsc  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 2:17:47am

Check out the charts at this link:

What California`s terrible numbers mean for America

226 Fenway_Nation  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 2:19:18am

I have some ground bison meat in the fridge, come to think of it.

Got it at the grocery store, so I'm not sure how 'exotic' that makes it.

227 littleoldlady  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 2:20:12am

re: #223 Cannadian Club Akbar

There is a spot down here called Boca Grande, someone dropped off 2 iguanas about 20 years ago. Beautiful place, 'cept for the iguanas.

My aunt had a place on Miami Beach about two blocks from the beach. The city built a really pretty park - native plants and trees, wood deck walkways - that you had to walk through to get to the beach.

Then the "snowbirds" started dropping off their cats there on their way out of town.

/oy. :-(

228 srb1976  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 2:20:30am

re: #226 Fenway_Nation

re: #226 Fenway_Nation

Have you tried any yet? Just wondering if it's any good...
(our local grocery store doesn't carry it, but they do carry rabbit...so maybe that counts for something)

229 Fenway_Nation  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 2:20:38am

re: #223 Cannadian Club Akbar

What about the frogs that go 'Bud', then "wise" and "errr"? Are the iguanas conspiring to whack them?

230 TheMatrix31  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 2:21:21am

re: #224 TheMatrix31

John and Sarah -- Come With Us If You Want To Live

And it's kind of parallel too. The Terminators (Dem operatives) were sent to "kill" Sarah Palin through terrorizing her through media, etc, all in an attempt to prevent John from assuming the role of the "resistance", in this case the Presidency.

/see, I can be a douchebag philosopher too!

231 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 2:21:47am

re: #226 Fenway_Nation

I have some ground bison meat in the fridge, come to think of it.

Got it at the grocery store, so I'm not sure how 'exotic' that makes it.

Bison is suppose to be tasty and low fat. I'll stick to chickenpigcow.

232 littleoldlady  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 2:22:25am

re: #225 gmsc

We're headed for pie charts?!

/oh noes!

233 theheat  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 2:22:44am

re: #228 srb1976

Back when I ate meat, we had buffalo burgers and steaks fairly often. Good stuff, lean, and flavorful.

(Now I just chase them on horses, I don't eat them.)

234 Fenway_Nation  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 2:22:50am

re: #228 srb1976

Yes...caveat empor. This stuff is very lean, which means it will burn very easily on the grill or a frying pan if you try and cook it at 'normal' temps.

235 TheMatrix31  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 2:23:12am

re: #225 gmsc

Check out the charts at this link:

What California`s terrible numbers mean for America

Great link, dude.

236 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 2:23:25am

re: #229 Fenway_Nation


I am helping the iguanas. I kill as many Bud-Wise-eers as I can.

237 theheat  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 2:24:22am

re: #225 gmsc

Ugh.

238 gmsc  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 2:25:04am

re: #232 littleoldlady

We're headed for pie charts?!

/oh noes!

I could send you to pi charts!

239 Fenway_Nation  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 2:25:36am

re: #225 gmsc

As long as DeVore doesn't bring those charts along for his radio appearence like Kucinich did, I think we'll be OK.

240 littleoldlady  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 2:25:42am

re: #238 gmsc

I'm looking for the blueberries...

241 gmsc  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 2:27:48am

re: #240 littleoldlady

I'm looking for the blueberries...

You got it!

242 Fenway_Nation  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 2:28:39am

Thanks for the link, pi-chart guy.

Well lizards...it's getting late and I have a rare workday coming up, so I really should've been off two hours ago be off.

Take care everybody!

243 srb1976  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 2:29:11am

re: #242 Fenway_Nation

Later Fenway! Have a great day!

244 BignJames  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 2:29:22am

See ya, Fenway.

245 gmsc  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 2:29:56am

re: #242 Fenway_Nation

Thanks for the link, pi-chart guy.

Well lizards...it's getting late and I have a rare workday coming up, so I really should've been off two hours ago be off.

Take care everybody!

G'Nite, Fenway!

246 theheat  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 2:30:09am

re: #242 Fenway_Nation

'Night, Fenway.

247 BignJames  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 2:30:25am

re: #240 littleoldlady

I'm looking for the blueberries...


So you can find your thrill?

248 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 2:30:34am

re: #240 littleoldlady

I'm looking for the blueberries...

I have blackberry patches in my field. You have to bring a stick and shake the bushes to chase away the snakes that are chasing field mice if you want to pick the berries.

249 TheMatrix31  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 2:30:41am

GN Fenway...

250 freetoken  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 2:30:44am

re: #222 littleoldlady

Nope.


Whew... good. I was afraid my precious bodily fluids might become affected...

251 SixDegrees  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 2:31:26am

re: #231 Cannadian Club Akbar

Bison is suppose to be tasty and low fat. I'll stick to chickenpigcow.

Bison is very good. It's easy to come by in the Dakotas/Yellowstone region of the country, not so much elsewhere. But it's growing in popularity thanks to it's cholesterol content being lower than chicken's.

I've heard that grass-fed beef is pretty much the same. Haven't tried that yet, though.

252 littleoldlady  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 2:31:28am

re: #241 gmsc

Bwahahaha!

/figures you'd find that ;-)

253 BignJames  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 2:32:21am

re: #248 Cannadian Club Akbar

I have blackberry patches in my field. You have to bring a stick and shake the bushes to chase away the snakes that are chasing field mice if you want to pick the berries.


We call 'em briar patches down here.

254 theheat  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 2:33:12am

re: #240 littleoldlady

As long as you're buying them and not growing them ;-) Speaking of, here's a web site just for you: Deer Departed.

255 littleoldlady  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 2:33:22am

'Night, Fenway! :-)

re: #247 BignJames

Probably kill me at my advanced age.

;-)

re: #248 Cannadian Club Akbar

Good thing I don't like blackberries as much as I love blueberries.

/'cause those suckers are staying on those bushes! ;-)

256 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 2:33:50am

In Sarasota, they have Mote Marine Labratory. They nursed a hurt dolphin for 4 or so months, then released it. Then it was attacked by 2 sharks. D'oh!

257 littleoldlady  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 2:34:26am

re: #254 theheat

Great! Bookmarked. Thank you!

258 TheMatrix31  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 2:34:26am

This guy DeVore seems pretty good. I wonder if he even has a snowballs chance in hell against that ___ Barbara Boxer

259 theheat  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 2:37:12am

re: #257 littleoldlady

When I first saw this thing called Aimer-Guard, I thought it was some kind of motion activated thing that shot tennis balls at them or something.

No, it's more passive than that. Methinks I could design one a little more formidable. Tennis balls, bowling balls, cannon balls... you get the idea.

260 gmsc  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 2:38:56am

re: #258 TheMatrix31

This guy DeVore seems pretty good. I wonder if he even has a snowballs chance in hell against that ___ Barbara Boxer

He could win legally and constitutionally, but whether he could win during an 0bama administration is a completely different matter.

261 wahabicorridor  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 2:39:34am

morning lizardia

re: #251 SixDegrees

I've heard that grass-fed beef is pretty much the same. Haven't tried that yet, though.

The cooking rule for any grass-fed meat is low and slow. Braising is a very good technique. I was watching Barefoot Contessa yesterday and she was making meatballs with grass-fed ground beef. She had an interesting technique I hadn't thought of. For 2 lbs of meat, she mixed in 3 Tbl of olive oil.

I'm pretty sure the same would be trure for bison and ostrich

262 theheat  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 2:40:08am

re: #257 littleoldlady

OMG! Here it is in action! Watch 'em scatter!

Youtube Video
263 littleoldlady  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 2:40:26am

re: #259 theheat

I've seen that thing, or something like it, but not the solar version.

My luck it would attack ME when I go into the garden.

/and the deer would be asking for a towel and bar of soap... ;-)

264 gmsc  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 2:41:27am

re: #258 TheMatrix31

This guy DeVore seems pretty good. I wonder if he even has a snowballs chance in hell against that ___ Barbara Boxer

If he did win, 0bama would simply fail to recognize him as a legitimate senator:

respect for the Rule of Law

The Honduras constitution, acknowledging how coups take place, makes it illegal for the president to pontificate about extra terms.

The left-wing Honduran president violated the constitution, so the Honduran Supreme Court removed him.

Obama and Hillary dislike the rule of law, so they’re fighting the Honduran Supreme Court.

The latest:

[Link: apnews.myway.com...]

WASHINGTON (AP) - The Obama administration has revoked the diplomatic visas of four Honduran officials working in its interim government and is reviewing the visa status of other officials and their families, the State Department said Tuesday…

“We don’t recognize Roberto Micheletti as the president of Honduras,” he told reporters. “We recognize Manuel Zelaya. And so, in keeping with that policy of nonrecognition, we have decided to revoke official diplomatic visas, or A-Visas, of four individuals who are members of (Micheletti’s) regime.”

Well, heck, Democrats don’t obey our own constitution, why should they respect the Honduran one?

265 littleoldlady  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 2:41:30am

re: #262 theheat

So was it the device or a person taking the video?

266 theheat  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 2:43:12am

re: #265 littleoldlady

Apparently, a person was filming the unit in action.

Imagine how much more exciting if it was lobbing tennis balls at them. It'd be like a day at the batting cage.

267 srb1976  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 2:43:22am

Turns out this "having your job phased out" thing may not be so bad...spent a 1/2 day yesterday learning to drive a 9 speed truck...kinda fun even though I look very silly doing it = )

268 TheMatrix31  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 2:44:10am

re: #264 gmsc

Freakin' dumb. I dont know anything about the Honduras conflict though.

269 littleoldlady  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 2:44:13am

re: #266 theheat

I'd worry about crushing the pepper plants...

270 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 2:45:27am

re: #267 srb1976

Did you use a Hi-Low shifter?

271 srb1976  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 2:45:34am

re: #269 littleoldlady

I'd worry about crushing the pepper plants...

Hmmm...and usually crushed pepper is pretty stinkin' good = )

272 theheat  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 2:45:42am

re: #269 littleoldlady

Of course, there was the protoype from Robocop...

273 gmsc  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 2:46:43am

re: #272 theheat

Of course, there was the protoype from Robocop...

Yeah, but how do you tell a deer they have 40 seconds to comply?

274 srb1976  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 2:47:09am

re: #270 Cannadian Club Akbar

Did you use a Hi-Low shifter?

It has one, but with a speed limit onsite of 15mph, I guess they don't use it much (no need for anything past 4th gear really)...I don't normally drive a stick at all...and never anything this big...so it was a lot of fun = )

275 theheat  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 2:48:00am

re: #273 gmsc

Simple. They need to press 1 for English, 2 for Spanish.

276 srb1976  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 2:50:33am

Someone took a really nice picture of a spider just like the one I found living on my deck the other day (really pretty spider) and their picture is better than the ones I took...

Cool bug ID site

277 gmsc  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 2:51:49am

How not to report on the burning of marijuana plants . . .

Youtube Video
278 littleoldlady  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 2:52:19am

I need to get an early start on this day...

/feh! pui!

Good day, ALL!™

279 gmsc  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 2:52:58am

re: #278 littleoldlady

I need to get an early start on this day...

/feh! pui!

Good day, ALL!™

Sounds good - good night, all!

280 TheMatrix31  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 2:54:11am

See ya, LoL.

GN, GM

281 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 2:54:19am

re: #277 gmsc

How not to report on the burning of marijuana plants . . .



Get that guy a pizza, STAT!

282 theheat  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 2:54:21am

re: #278 littleoldlady

Goodnight.

re: #279 gmsc

And another good night.

283 wahabicorridor  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 2:56:04am

good lord. There's been a car bombing in Spain of barracks of the Guard. Apparently no one was seriously hurt, but you should see the pic -

the place looks like Oklahoma City

284 theheat  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 3:00:35am

re: #283 wahabicorridor

Holy crap. It says no one was killed, but it's hard to believe from the photo.

285 TheMatrix31  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 3:01:17am

re: #283 wahabicorridor

good lord. There's been a car bombing in Spain of barracks of the Guard. Apparently no one was seriously hurt, but you should see the pic -

the place looks like Oklahoma City

Wow.

286 wahabicorridor  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 3:06:48am

the dead tree papers have arrived and the java is ready - back in a few hours

287 theheat  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 3:08:20am

Okay, I'm skinching out early to get some work done. Good night, All.

288 srb1976  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 3:09:37am

Later folks...back to work...at least it's my friday!

289 Render  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 3:17:02am

re: #283 wahabicorridor

No warning, all that damage, and yet...no deaths. Incredible.

MIRACULOUS
EVEN,
R

290 TheMatrix31  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 3:20:49am

WTF...Stephen A. Smith is on Fox News as a contributor?!

291 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 3:21:45am

re: #290 TheMatrix31

The guy from ESPN?

292 TheMatrix31  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 3:25:30am

re: #291 Cannadian Club Akbar

The guy from ESPN?

Yeah, lol. WTF.

293 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 3:31:36am

re: #292 TheMatrix31

Yeah, lol. WTF.

I hate him. But not as much as I hate Skip Whatshisnuts from the Sacremento Bee.

294 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 3:33:24am

re: #293 Cannadian Club Akbar

Skip Bayless?

295 TheMatrix31  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 3:36:19am

I like to call him Skip Baseless.

Apparently, SAS isn't even on ESPN anymore. Believe it or not, he wasn't too bad on FNC right now, made some decent points.

296 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 3:38:55am

re: #295 TheMatrix31

Do you get to listen to Rome on the radio? I know it is about bedtime for ya.

297 TheMatrix31  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 3:39:57am

re: #296 Cannadian Club Akbar

Do you get to listen to Rome on the radio? I know it is about bedtime for ya.

Nah, no Rome for me. I get annoyed with his slow, segmented style of speaking.

He came into my Baskin-Robbins once, though. He speaks the same way even when ordering his ice cream!

"Yeah--Gimme a mint chocolate chip please--on a cone"

298 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 3:42:45am

re: #297 TheMatrix31

Nah, no Rome for me. I get annoyed with his slow, segmented style of speaking.

He came into my Baskin-Robbins once, though. He speaks the same way even when ordering his ice cream!

"Yeah--Gimme a mint chocolate chip please--on a cone"

I used to listen from about '96 to about 2000. I always loved the smack-offs.

299 The Other Les  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 3:44:58am

re: #6 Fenway_Nation

How did the other eight plans from outer space work out exactly?

Badly.

300 The Other Les  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 3:45:29am

Thought for the Day

A thought occurred to me yesterday as I was leaving the tire store:

The stated goal of Scientology is to clear the planet of mental illness, the actual effect is to clear the wallets and bank accounts of its followers.

The stated goal of Obamatology is to clear the planet of the effects of Capitalism, the actual effect is to clear the wallets and bank accounts of American citizens.

What are your questions on this block of instruction?

301 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 3:49:12am

re: #300 The Other Les

Scientology beliefs don't make it easier for Al Queda to use a WMD against the US. Wait, that wasn't a question.

302 TheMatrix31  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 3:50:09am

re: #298 Cannadian Club Akbar

I used to listen from about '96 to about 2000. I always loved the smack-offs.

During that time period, I was 9-13. I would listen to guys like Mike Wall, Arnie Spanier, Papa Joe, and John Renshaw. Used to LOVE falling asleep to sports radio.

303 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 3:54:56am

re: #302 TheMatrix31

During that time period, I was 9-13. I would listen to guys like Mike Wall, Arnie Spanier, Papa Joe, and John Renshaw. Used to LOVE falling asleep to sports radio.


Who was the guy that always sounded like he was hitting a bong? Dude was a spaz. But popular.

304 rightside  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 3:58:26am

Morning Lizards.

305 TheMatrix31  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 3:59:00am

re: #303 Cannadian Club Akbar

Who was the guy that always sounded like he was hitting a bong? Dude was a spaz. But popular.

No idea, lol. Arnie had a really deep, raspy voice. I don't remember the other voices off the top of my head.

306 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 4:00:22am

re: #304 rightside

Morning.

307 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 4:01:06am

re: #305 TheMatrix31

No idea, lol. Arnie had a really deep, raspy voice. I don't remember the other voices off the top of my head.

Medication got rid of the voices?
/

308 TheMatrix31  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 4:06:44am

re: #307 Cannadian Club Akbar

Medication got rid of the voices?
/

I hear them time to time. Maybe I should enlist Dr. Jack Daniels to help out?

309 rightside  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 4:06:52am

re: #306 Cannadian Club Akbar

Good morning. I just noticed the two "n"s in your nic.

310 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 4:13:46am

[Link: www.nytimes.com...]

Fuckers. Does anyone know where to get a "Free Iran" Tshirt like the avatars of some lizards here? I googled, but came up empty.

311 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 4:15:07am

re: #309 rightside

Good morning. I just noticed the two "n"s in your nic.

I waited 2 years to join. When the window opened, I was so geeked, I misspelled. Oops.

312 rightside  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 4:17:57am

re: #311 Cannadian Club Akbar

There's a few like that here, lol.

313 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 4:26:46am

re: #312 rightside

One thing I noticed was Charles opened the door for about 3-4 months regularly. Then he slowed it down. And the amount of people getting the Stinky Boot increased afterwards. I wish we could have a list with dates of these people. But I think Charles has enough to do.

314 Leonidas Hoplite  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 4:42:01am

Interesting...

Money quote...

"Hardly anyone can 'do it' more than twice. So basically the flat rate is mostly for the free beer."
315 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 4:45:52am

re: #311 Cannadian Club Akbar

That's spelled wrong?

316 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 4:46:02am

re: #314 Leonidas Hoplite

Interesting...

Money quote...


So, you get free beer if you pay for sex? Usually you pay for beer to get free sex. Guess I'm getting old.

317 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 4:47:57am

re: #315 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

That's spelled wrong?

Two N's in Canadian. Not 3 like I have.

318 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 4:50:54am

re: #317 Cannadian Club Akbar

Oh! Canadian. I thought it was a scotch from the Clan Cannaday.

319 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 4:53:20am

re: #318 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Canadian Club is a Whiskey blend. I can't do Scotch.

320 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 4:54:47am

re: #319 Cannadian Club Akbar

yeah, but the joke worked better with scotch.

321 Leonidas Hoplite  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 4:55:19am

re: #316 Cannadian Club Akbar

So, you get free beer if you pay for sex? Usually you pay for beer to get free sex. Guess I'm getting old.

Either way, you pay.

322 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 4:57:23am

Saw on a t-shirt

Beer. Helping ugly people have sex since 1921.

Methinks it's been around a bit longer.

323 BlueCanuck  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 5:01:25am

re: #319 Cannadian Club Akbar

Canadian Club is a Whiskey blend. I can't do Scotch.

Poor bastard. I can do scotch but I can't do CC. More blackouts and other stuff on rye then everything else combined.

Good morning all.

324 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 5:02:47am

re: #322 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Saw a funny on the internet, gonna get it on a shirt:

My girlfriend said we had to watch our money and I would have to stop drinking beer.
Then she came home one day with a bunch of make-up.
I asked why I had to give up something but she didn't.
She said she needed the make-up to look pretty for me.
I told her that is what the beer was for.
I don't think she is coming back.

325 rightside  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 5:04:46am

re: #323 BlueCanuck

Morning BC.

326 BlueCanuck  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 5:05:30am

re: #325 rightside

Morning rightside. How's things in your neck of the world?

327 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 5:05:45am

re: #323 BlueCanuck

I used to go to a fancy bar in Miami. One side of the menu was nothing but Scotch. You would have loved it.

328 TheMatrix31  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 5:06:16am

re: #324 Cannadian Club Akbar

Saw a funny on the internet, gonna get it on a shirt:

My girlfriend said we had to watch our money and I would have to stop drinking beer.
Then she came home one day with a bunch of make-up.
I asked why I had to give up something but she didn't.
She said she needed the make-up to look pretty for me.
I told her that is what the beer was for.
I don't think she is coming back.

LMAO.

329 rightside  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 5:10:10am

re: #326 BlueCanuck

Pretty good, usually this time of year the temps are around 40C, but lately, it's only been around 27C. How about you?

330 rain of lead  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 5:10:56am

morning guys
time for a gorebull warming solar update

no sunspots, 18 days since last official sunspot
solar wind output 355 km/s

331 BlueCanuck  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 5:11:57am

re: #329 rightside

About the same, yesterday reached seasonal norms finally. 27C third day this month. Was out last night with my friends dog tossing the ball around. Had to give up before we were both carried away by the skeeters. Can't wait to see what August brings.

332 rain of lead  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 5:13:44am

re: #331 BlueCanuck

oh hell, if temps are this cool in the middle of summer then I am betting we
are in for one cold mofo of a winter

333 rightside  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 5:15:22am

re: #332 rain of lead

There was one day in the middle of this past January, that hit over 70F

334 BlueCanuck  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 5:15:38am

re: #332 rain of lead

My thoughts exactly. The Great Lakes probably aren't warming up as much as they usually do so that will make things even more interesting. I got my shovel ready, just need to find a pair of snowshoes now.

335 rain of lead  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 5:16:59am

re: #333 rightside

? what part of the world are you in?
here in middle tenn it is 72 and raining.

336 jvic  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 5:18:21am

re: #310 Cannadian Club Akbar

[Link: www.nytimes.com...]

Fuckers. Does anyone know where to get a "Free Iran" Tshirt like the avatars of some lizards here? I googled, but came up empty.

Related material here (via the LGF lefthand column:

Iraqi Forces Reportedly Open Fire, Beat Iranian Exiles

BAGHDAD — Iraqi forces raided a camp housing members of an Iranian opposition group north of Baghdad on Tuesday in a move that ran contrary to U.S. wishes and prompted clashes.
...
Iraq's government has stepped up pressure to get the People's Mujahedeen Organization of Iran to leave the country as it seeks to protect its friendly relations with Tehran. But it has not decided how to oust the exiles, and the United States insists they should be treated humanely and not be forcibly deported to a country where they could face persecution.

The Iraqis are our grateful friends. Just like the Saudis.

337 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 5:18:49am

An Englishman, an Irishman, and a Scotsman go out to a pub and order 3 pints. They each find a fly floating on the top of their brews. The Englishman says, "Barman, can I have a spoon?" and quietly fishes the fly from his pint. The Irishman says, "Get out of there!" and flicks the fly away with a finger. The Scotsman picks up the fly with his fingers and says, "Alright ya wee bastid. Spit it out!"

338 rightside  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 5:19:07am

re: #335 rain of lead

eastern Virginia

339 rain of lead  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 5:20:54am

see this trend chart Your text to link...here
solar activity has been dropping they "expect" it to climb again
but for the last 18 mo has been only going down

340 Mad Al-Jaffee  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 5:22:19am

Mornin' everyone. It's nice to see an anti-nirther article on Frontpage today. Unfortunately, most of the comments are pretty nutty.

[Link: frontpagemag.com...]

341 Mad Al-Jaffee  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 5:23:24am

re: #337 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I've always liked that one, but in the version I heard the Englishman demands a new pint.

342 Mad Al-Jaffee  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 5:25:06am

re: #337 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

An Irish man walks into a pub. The bartender asks him, "what'll you have?"
The man says, "Give me three pints of Guinness please."

So the bartender brings him three pints and the man proceeds to alternately sip one, then the other, then the third until they're gone. He then orders three more.

The bartender says, "Sir, I know you like them cold. You don't have to order three at a time. I can keep an eye on it and when you get low I'll bring you a fresh cold one."

The man says, "You don't understand. I have two brothers, one in Australia and one in the States. We made a vow to each other that every Saturday night we'd still drink together. So right now, my brothers have three Guinness Stouts too, and we're drinking together.
The bartender thought that was a wonderful tradition.

Every week the man came in and ordered three beers. Then one week he came in and ordered only two. He drank them and then ordered two more.

The bartender said to him, "I know what your tradition is, and I'd just like to say that I'm sorry that one of your brothers died."

The man said, "Oh, me brothers are fine---I just quit drinking."

343 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 5:25:49am

re: #341 Mad Al-Jaffee

I've heard it several ways... we were talking about scotch... and well... I thought of a joke that had nothing to do with it, so I posted it.

344 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 5:27:01am

re: #342 Mad Al-Jaffee


Heard the same joke, only the guy joins a Southern Baptist Church and is a cowboy.

345 TheMatrix31  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 5:28:39am

Anyone wanna help with a funny politically-LGF charged fantasy football team name?

346 Mad Al-Jaffee  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 5:29:07am

re: #344 Cannadian Club Akbar

Heard the same joke, only the guy joins a Southern Baptist Church and is a cowboy.

And he drinks Guinness?!

347 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 5:31:17am

re: #346 Mad Al-Jaffee

No, Budweiser. But I used to drink Black and Tan.

348 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 5:31:47am

re: #344 Cannadian Club Akbar

Heard the same joke, only the guy joins a Southern Baptist Church and is a cowboy.

The way I heard it, the guy belonged to the Illuminati.

349 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 5:32:30am

re: #345 TheMatrix31

Anyone wanna help with a funny politically-LGF charged fantasy football team name?

Stinky B's sock puppet bat?

350 TheMatrix31  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 5:35:01am

re: #349 Cannadian Club Akbar

Stinky B's sock puppet bat?

Might be more appropriate for baseball, no?

351 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 5:35:07am

re: #345 TheMatrix31

Anyone wanna help with a funny politically-LGF charged fantasy football team name?

LGFuckyou troll?

352 freetoken  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 5:36:51am

And still they come...

/look downstairs at the nirther thread

353 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 5:37:43am

re: #344 Cannadian Club Akbar

Heard the same joke, only the guy joins a Southern Baptist Church and is a cowboy.

(After a joke bombed)
"I'm going to tell that same joke tomorrow night, but it will get a huge laugh. I’m gonna fix it by taking out all those words and adding new ones and a new punchline."
-Mitch Hedberg
RIP

354 SasquatchOnSteroids  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 5:37:55am

re: #352 freetoken

And still they come...

/look downstairs at the nirther thread

So what ?

Let them get whacked.

355 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 5:38:46am

re: #348 Walter L. Newton

Carrying a joke two days forward? Nice, Walter.

Good morning!

356 TheMatrix31  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 5:38:47am

re: #351 Cannadian Club Akbar

LGFuckyou troll?

First and Fruitcup?

357 BlueCanuck  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 5:39:50am

re: #352 freetoken

Another sign on insanity. Probably time to break out the whacking sticks.

358 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 5:41:47am

re: #355 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Carrying a joke two days forward? Nice, Walter.

Good morning!

Morning. Forty five degrees and holding at the Secret Mountain Lair in the Rockies.

359 SasquatchOnSteroids  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 5:43:30am

John Conyers is an absolute disgrace.
But that's the pattern we're seeing with the Dems.
Tax,Spend, and fuck reading anything.
Enjoy the party in power.

360 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 5:44:45am

re: #356 TheMatrix31

First and Fruitcup?

Might give the wrong impression. Lurking Lizard?

361 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 5:45:49am

re: #358 Walter L. Newton

Walter? I don't know why I thought of you when I read this Mitch Hedberg line...


I don't have a girlfriend. But I do know a woman who'd be mad at me for saying that.

362 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 5:46:33am

re: #359 SasquatchOnSteroids

Enjoy the party in power.

Cue Mandy...

363 TheMatrix31  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 5:47:00am

re: #360 Cannadian Club Akbar

Might give the wrong impression. Lurking Lizard?

Meh, I dont even have a team waiting to be drafted yet. Right now I'm basically trying everything not to sit down and read a book that I need to read for my final on Thursday.

364 wahabicorridor  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 5:47:48am

Ok, this is very weird. Larry Franklin, convicted of spying for Israel, maintains he was actually a double agent for the FBI and betrayed by them.

Talking to a U.S. newspaper for the first time since his arrest five years ago, Franklin told The Washington Times that he wore a portable recording device for the FBI to capture conversations between Keith Weissman, a lobbyist for the American Israel Public Affairs Committee (AIPAC), and Israeli Embassy official Naor Gilon and that he cooperated on other matters during a 10-week period in 2004.

He said he never sought to spy for Israel and felt betrayed when the same FBI agents whom he had assisted suddenly told him to get an attorney and threatened to send him to prison for disclosing classified information to AIPAC officials and the Israeli Embassy.

Defense analyst in spy case was FBI double agent

The piece was written by Bill Gertz who writes on defense issues and for whom I have a lot of respect. But, man, what a strange tale.

365 lincolntf  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 5:48:32am

Morning all.

Reading the local paper about the NC jihadis. A Muslim bass fishing enthusiast with a Support Our Troops bumper sticker. That'll screw up the profilers.

366 wahabicorridor  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 5:49:08am

re: #359 SasquatchOnSteroids

John Conyers is an absolute disgrace.
But that's the pattern we're seeing with the Dems.
Tax,Spend, and fuck reading anything.
Enjoy the party in power.

Heh. Have you heard about his wife, Monica? She's on the Detroit City Council - or was before she got arrested for bribery.

367 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 5:49:26am

re: #363 TheMatrix31

Good job thus far.

368 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 5:51:03am

re: #366 wahabicorridor

Heh. Have you heard about his wife, Monica? She's on the Detroit City Council - or was before she got arrested for bribery.

IIRC, she was convicted.

369 TheMatrix31  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 5:51:08am

re: #367 Cannadian Club Akbar

Good job thus far.

Heh...I'm a professional at it by now!

370 SasquatchOnSteroids  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 5:51:59am

re: #366 wahabicorridor

Heh. Have you heard about his wife, Monica? She's on the Detroit City Council - or was before she got arrested for bribery.

re: #368 Cannadian Club Akbar

IIRC, she was convicted.

I'm shocked, SHOCKED I tells ya.

371 wahabicorridor  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 5:54:44am

re: #368 Cannadian Club Akbar

IIRC, she was convicted.

That was quick. What did she do, cop a plea?

372 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 5:55:40am

He is married to Monica Conyers, who is former President Pro-Tempore of the Detroit City Council and the subject of an ongoing FBI investigation into political corruption in the city,[1] and who has pled guilty to conspiring to commit bribery.[2]

Wiki...

373 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 5:57:39am

re: #372 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Thank you, FBV.

374 SasquatchOnSteroids  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 5:59:12am

re: #372 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

He is married to Monica Conyers, who is former President Pro-Tempore of the Detroit City Council and the subject of an ongoing FBI investigation into political corruption in the city,[1] and who has pled guilty to conspiring to commit bribery.[2]

Wiki...

How goes it ?
Anyone ask for their free chit the last couple of days ?

375 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 6:00:03am

re: #370 SasquatchOnSteroids

I'm shocked, SHOCKED I tells ya.

In his defense (I can't believe I just said that) many times spouses of powerful people try to use their influence without the spouses knowledge.

I know nothing about it, but maybe she wanted to be bribeable too!

376 Kenneth  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 6:01:39am

Good morning folks,

From the 9/16/2008 debate on healthcare at Rockefeller Plaza in NYC. Paul Krugman decides to show everyone how great socialized medicine is by asking the Canadians in the room about it...

Of the 7 Canadians present in the audience, all 7 agreed Canada has a terrible health care system.

Youtube Video

Another liberal myth collides with reality.

377 Sharmuta  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 6:01:48am

re: #356 TheMatrix31

First and Fruitcup?

I like it.

378 Desert Dog  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 6:01:59am

re: #375 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

In his defense (I can't believe I just said that) many times spouses of powerful people try to use their influence without the spouses knowledge.

I know nothing about it, but maybe she wanted to be bribeable too!

I have no idea what you are talking about.

Signed, Winnie Mandela

379 SasquatchOnSteroids  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 6:03:25am

re: #375 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

In his defense (I can't believe I just said that) many times spouses of powerful people try to use their influence without the spouses knowledge.

I know nothing about it, but maybe she wanted to be bribeable too!

That's possible, of course, but she's married to him, and that's gonna stick like peanut butter on Mr Eds' gums.

380 Desert Dog  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 6:03:30am

re: #376 Kenneth

Good morning folks,

From the 9/16/2008 debate on healthcare at Rockefeller Plaza in NYC. Paul Krugman decides to show everyone how great socialized medicine is by asking the Canadians in the room about it...

Of the 7 Canadians present in the audience, all 7 agreed Canada has a terrible health care system.


Another liberal myth collides with reality.

"...bad move by my part" Nobel Prize, eh?

381 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 6:03:48am

re: #374 SasquatchOnSteroids

Yep. Seriously. Called them out too.

It was great. The conversation was...

FBV, "You voted for Obama, right?"
Stupid Human, "Yes, I did."
FBV, "Waiting on all the free stuff the government is going to give away?"
Stupid Human, "Well..."
FBV (interrupting), "He was a liar. He is not going to give you anything. Ever. Have a great day!"

Had a little spring in my step walking back to the car.

382 Sharmuta  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 6:04:09am

Paris Hilton is screwed:

Study: Tanning beds as deadly as arsenic

International cancer experts have moved tanning beds and other sources of ultraviolet radiation into the top cancer risk category, deeming them as deadly as arsenic and mustard gas. For years, scientists have described tanning beds and ultraviolet radiation as "probable carcinogens."

A new analysis of about 20 studies concludes the risk of skin cancer jumps by 75 percent when people start using tanning beds before age 30. Experts also found that all types of ultraviolet radiation caused worrying mutations in mice, proof the radiation is carcinogenic. Previously, only one type of ultraviolet radiation was thought to be lethal.

383 wahabicorridor  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 6:04:15am

re: #376 Kenneth

Well, it didn't collide wirth Krugman, apparently, as his economic insanities seem to have remained unscathed.

Stimulus not working? IT'S NOT BIG ENOUGH!

384 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 6:05:18am

re: #379 SasquatchOnSteroids

Dude's been in Congress since I was 2 years old. He could be caught with a dead woman or a live child and still be elected.

385 wahabicorridor  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 6:05:36am

re: #381 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

FBV (interrupting), "He was is a liar.

fixed

386 SasquatchOnSteroids  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 6:05:49am

re: #381 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Yep. Seriously. Called them out too.

It was great. The conversation was...

FBV, "You voted for Obama, right?"
Stupid Human, "Yes, I did."
FBV, "Waiting on all the free stuff the government is going to give away?"
Stupid Human, "Well..."
FBV (interrupting), "He was a liar. He is not going to give you anything. Ever. Have a great day!"

Had a little spring in my step walking back to the car.

Heh. You the man.

387 Desert Dog  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 6:06:13am

re: #383 wahabicorridor

Well, it didn't collide wirth Krugman, apparently, as his economic insanities seem to have remained unscathed.

Stimulus not working? IT'S NOT BIG ENOUGH!

He failed the first lesson in making meetings matter: Stack the Deck and get your questions before you start.

388 freetoken  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 6:06:46am

re: #382 Sharmuta

Paris Hilton is screwed:

Study: Tanning beds as deadly as arsenic

As well as half of Southern California.

389 Mad Al-Jaffee  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 6:08:54am

If any of you are fans of Daniel Silva, check out his latest novel, The Defector. I'm about 2/3 through it and it's a very enjoyable book. Even though his Gabriel Allon books are very formulaic, I like them all, and this one is no exception. It's very tense and very pro-Israel.

390 Kenneth  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 6:09:24am

re: #316 Cannadian Club Akbar

Latest research reveals:

A glass or two of red wine may increase a woman's libido, new research has found, Roger Dobson writes in The Daily Telegraph. “Researchers concluded that levels of sexual desire were higher in women who were moderate drinkers of red wine than in their counterparts who preferred other alcoholic drinks or were teetotal. One theory put forward by the team of Italian doctors who carried out the study is that chemical compounds found in red wine may improve sexual functioning by increasing blood flow to key areas of the body.”

No kidding.

391 reloadingisnotahobby  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 6:09:52am

re: #382 Sharmuta
They should outlaw the damn tanning beds!!
If the babes want a tan ...they have to lay out
where WE can see them!!
///

392 lincolntf  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 6:11:04am

re: #390 Kenneth

Apparently, "they" have entirely run out of things to research. Good, no more grants.

393 wahabicorridor  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 6:11:12am

re: #389 Mad Al-Jaffee

If any of you are fans of Daniel Silva, check out his latest novel, The Defector. I'm about 2/3 through it and it's a very enjoyable book. Even though his Gabriel Allon books are very formulaic, I like them all, and this one is no exception. It's very tense and very pro-Israel.

I finished it over the weekend. Great book - his previous 'Moscow Rules' is even better.

For those of you unaware, the main character, Gabriel Allon, is a Mossad assissin.

394 Sharmuta  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 6:11:24am

re: #388 freetoken

A lot of folks use tanning beds.

And I'm not surprised by this study- it seems to be common sense. It never struck me as a good idea, so I've never used one.

395 Desert Dog  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 6:11:27am

re: #382 Sharmuta

I live in a place that has 340+ days per year of sunshine, yet there are tanning salons all over the city. I still wonder why lighter skinned people want to be tan and darker people want to be lighter. Caucasians spend millions trying to look darker and many darker skinned people spend an equal amount trying to lighten their skin. I am a white guy of northern European heritage, when I go out for extended period in the sun, I put on SPF 50. I have three skin colors: white, red and peeling pink. I try to avoid the latter ones. My wife has beautiful brown skin (she's a filipina). She she goes out in the sun, she covers up big time...because she does not want to get darker.

396 Sharmuta  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 6:12:05am

re: #391 reloadingisnotahobby

They should outlaw the damn tanning beds!!
If the babes want a tan ...they have to lay out
where WE can see them!!
///

Why did you use sarc tags? ;)

397 KenJen  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 6:12:55am

re: #382 Sharmuta

Paris Hilton is screwed:

Study: Tanning beds as deadly as arsenic

Scary. I used tanning beds when I was in my late teens, early twenties. I go to my dermatologist every year and have her check me head to toe. She even checks my scalp. Sad thing is most people who use tanning beds will not see this article or won't care. Having a tan today is more important than getting cancer in the future. The tanning bed salon next to my grocery store is always busy. People waiting in the lounge to get in a bed.

398 Desert Dog  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 6:13:14am

re: #394 Sharmuta

A lot of folks use tanning beds.

And I'm not surprised by this study- it seems to be common sense. It never struck me as a good idea, so I've never used one.

You want to keep that lovely blue skin just the way it is, eh?

399 reloadingisnotahobby  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 6:14:22am

re: #396 Sharmuta

Why did you use sarc tags? ;)


to avoid offending anyone??
I'm not a voyeur...Damn it! I'm married!

400 Kenneth  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 6:15:15am

re: #380 Desert Dog

I've heard Democrats claiming Canada has a wonderful health care system and we all love it. Well, I'm Canadian & I've had some experience with our system and it is seriously flawed. Long wait times, brief superficial service, dirty hospitals, outdated equipment... do you really want that? Looking at the proposed Obamacare plan, I am beginning to suspect it will be even worse, and cost you a hell of a lot more.

401 MikeAlv77  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 6:15:21am

re: #382 Sharmuta

Paris Hilton is screwed:

Isn't that a redundant statement...

402 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 6:15:27am

re: #397 KenJen

Scary. I used tanning beds when I was in my late teens, early twenties. I go to my dermatologist every year and have her check me head to toe. She even checks my scalp. Sad thing is most people who use tanning beds will not see this article or won't care. Having a tan today is more important than getting cancer in the future. The tanning bed salon next to my grocery store is always busy. People waiting in the lounge to get in a bed.

I'm gonna go out on a limb here and say any mag with that article in it is no where to be found in the waiting room.

403 wahabicorridor  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 6:16:08am

Crimeny, those tanning beds drive me nuts. My husband was born and raised on a dairy farm and farmed himself for quite a few years.

We got the melanoma diagnosis in March 2000.

Fortunately, we got it early - our get out of jail card comes in March of 2010.

Believe me, you do not EVER want to deal with this one.

404 Kenneth  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 6:16:23am

re: #392 lincolntf

I would love to do some more research on that topic. Don't think the wife would approve...

405 Desert Dog  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 6:16:59am

re: #400 Kenneth

I've heard Democrats claiming Canada has a wonderful health care system and we all love it. Well, I'm Canadian & I've had some experience with our system and it is seriously flawed. Long wait times, brief superficial service, dirty hospitals, outdated equipment... do you really want that? Looking at the proposed Obamacare plan, I am beginning to suspect it will be even worse, and cost you a hell of a lot more.

I am sure many of the same people pushing for a singler payer system are aware of the flaws, but that still won't stop them from trying to install the same thing here. Makes you wonder WHY?

406 Pullus Iulius  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 6:17:15am

re: #382 Sharmuta

LONDON - International cancer experts have moved tanning beds and other sources of ultraviolet radiation into the top cancer risk category, deeming them as deadly as arsenic and mustard gas.
What quaint comparisons. I suppose that would make tanning beds more dangerous than laudanum but less dangerous than being thrashed with a buggy whip. Twenty-three skidoo.

407 reloadingisnotahobby  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 6:17:24am

re: #402 Cannadian Club Akbar

Health dept.. warning poster is probably behind a LARGER
poster of a tanned goddess...

408 songbird  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 6:19:25am

re: #390 Kenneth

Latest research reveals:

No kidding.

I guess that is why my husband's favorite wine is merlot...

409 Mad Al-Jaffee  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 6:19:31am

re: #393 wahabicorridor

I finished it over the weekend. Great book - his previous 'Moscow Rules' is even better.

For those of you unaware, the main character, Gabriel Allon, is a Mossad assissin.

I've read Moscow Rules, and all of Silva's other books.

Allon is not just a Mossad assassin, he was one of the assassins involved in Operation Wrath of God (Israel's response to the Munich massacre) and the worlds foremost art restorer.

I wonder where Silva will go when he finally runs out of Allon stories to tell.

410 Sharmuta  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 6:19:58am

re: #395 Desert Dog

I'm fair skinned too, so I also work the sunblock. I'd rather be considered pale than be a cancer patient. Vanity isn't worth the cost in this case.

411 songbird  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 6:20:27am

re: #404 Kenneth

I would love to do some more research on that topic. Don't think the wife would approve...

The wine is for HER, not for you!

412 Desert Dog  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 6:20:31am

re: #406 Pullus Iulius

LONDON - International cancer experts have moved tanning beds and other sources of ultraviolet radiation into the top cancer risk category, deeming them as deadly as arsenic and mustard gas.
What quaint comparisons. I suppose that would make tanning beds more dangerous than laudanum but less dangerous than being thrashed with a buggy whip. Twenty-three skidoo.

Arsenic occurs naturally and poses a problem in places like well water and run off from farm fields...how does mustard gas come into that conversation? Is there a huge cloud of the stuff floating around from WWI still?

I agree with the conclusions though...people are foolish to irradiate themselves to "look better"...tan today, wrinkled up and cancerous tomorrow...sounds like a bad deal.

413 KenJen  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 6:20:41am

re: #399 reloadingisnotahobby

to avoid offending anyone??
I'm not a voyeur...Damn it! I'm married!

Speaking of voyeurs. Years ago I was getting out of a tanning bed, happened to look up and saw a young man peeking over the wall into my room. I got dressed, knocked on his door and asked him what the hell he was doing. He said his buddy was supposdedly there tanning and he needed to talk to him. I said bullshit and got the manager. They called the police and ended up arresting the guy. Said he'd been doing the same thing all over town.

414 Desert Dog  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 6:21:43am

re: #411 songbird

The wine is for HER, not for you!

The old "Ply her with Alcohol" trick, eh? It's been around since the cavemen discovered fermented fruits.

415 njdhockeyfan  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 6:21:53am

re: #381 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Yep. Seriously. Called them out too.

It was great. The conversation was...

FBV, "You voted for Obama, right?"
Stupid Human, "Yes, I did."
FBV, "Waiting on all the free stuff the government is going to give away?"
Stupid Human, "Well..."
FBV (interrupting), "He was a liar. He is not going to give you anything. Ever. Have a great day!"

Had a little spring in my step walking back to the car.

Good morning FBV! Did I tell you about my customer in the window business?

416 Kenneth  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 6:22:33am

How We’ll Win in Afghanistan
Gen. Petraeus knows how to defeat an insurgency. But he will need congressional support.

War is not complicated. You have to separate the guerrilla forces from the population and kill them until they no longer want to continue. Al Qaeda, dominated by Arabs, is finished inside Afghanistan. The Taliban are Afghans, to be dealt with by Afghans. As he did in Iraq, Gen. Petraeus wants to recruit local forces to protect their own villages. That will expand the Afghan forces to 300,000 and stabilize the situation. On patrols, Afghan soldiers spot the enemy 10 times more frequently than do coalition solders. Afghan soldiers are brave, hardy, ill-disciplined, individualistic, temperamental and trustworthy.

417 Mad Al-Jaffee  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 6:22:39am

re: #395 Desert Dog

I don't tan. I go from pale white to bright red within minutes of being in the sun. I keep my shirt on at the beach (except when I'm swimming) and strongly believe in sunscreen and hats.

I have gotten a little tan on my arms since I've been biking a lot. When I'm on the trails (most of which are very shady) I never get burned. If I'm on a road trip I use sunscreen.

418 wahabicorridor  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 6:23:13am

re: #405 Desert Dog

Makes you wonder WHY?

equality. Right down to the lowest common denominator.

Here's Dalrymple on 'the right to healthcare'

Universality is closely allied as an ideal, ideologically, to that of equality. But equality is not desirable in itself. To provide everyone with the same bad quality of care would satisfy the demand for equality. (Not coincidentally, British survival rates for cancer and heart disease are much below those of other European countries, where patients need to make at least some payment for their care.)

In any case, the universality of government health care in pursuance of the abstract right to it in Britain has not ensured equality. After 60 years of universal health care, free at the point of usage and funded by taxation, inequalities between the richest and poorest sections of the population have not been reduced. But Britain does have the dirtiest, most broken-down hospitals in Europe.

419 Charpete67  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 6:23:17am

re: #405 Desert Dog

I am sure many of the same people pushing for a singler payer system are aware of the flaws, but that still won't stop them from trying to install the same thing here. Makes you wonder WHY?

power, control...vote for me and I won't cut your health care...it takes a village...you choose.

conservative=reason
liberal=emotion

420 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 6:23:50am

re: #413 KenJen

Speaking of voyeurs. Years ago I was getting out of a tanning bed, happened to look up and saw a young man peeking over the wall into my room. I got dressed, knocked on his door and asked him what the hell he was doing. He said his buddy was supposdedly there tanning and he needed to talk to him. I said bullshit and got the manager. They called the police and ended up arresting the guy. Said he'd been doing the same thing all over town.

Good for you. Freaks like that require a firm response.

421 Kenneth  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 6:24:00am

re: #411 songbird

I'm aware of the scientific method. It's verifying the hypotheses on a broad sample group that my wife would object to.

422 FrogMarch  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 6:24:03am

re: #59 Walter L. Newton

Powell: Both Gates, police could have handled things better

Ok, here we have another person who wasn't at the scene, stating what should have happened at the scene. Basically the same a Obama did.

What the fuck does Former Secretary of State Colin Powell think he is doing?

Here he goes again sucking up to the Obama administration.

[Link: www.cnn.com...]

Again - it is totally undermining and inappropriate for these "leaders" to pretend they know better. I'm reminded of what a black female police officer has to say about it.

423 Desert Dog  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 6:24:18am

re: #417 Mad Al-Jaffee

I don't tan. I go from pale white to bright red within minutes of being in the sun. I keep my shirt on at the beach (except when I'm swimming) and strongly believe in sunscreen and hats.

I have gotten a little tan on my arms since I've been biking a lot. When I'm on the trails (most of which are very shady) I never get burned. If I'm on a road trip I use sunscreen.

My wife calls me a red and white zebra...my arms, neck, face and legs are reddish (I wear shorts all summer long) and the rest is white.

424 midwestgak  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 6:25:13am

www.americanthinker.com...]>Why public health care is philosophically wrong

425 Mad Al-Jaffee  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 6:25:22am

re: #398 Desert Dog

You want to keep that lovely blue skin just the way it is, eh?

She doesn't want it all smurfed up.

426 SixDegrees  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 6:26:20am

re: #405 Desert Dog

I am sure many of the same people pushing for a singler payer system are aware of the flaws, but that still won't stop them from trying to install the same thing here. Makes you wonder WHY?

Because it gives politicians direct control over 1/6 of the country's economy.

427 Mad Al-Jaffee  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 6:26:35am

re: #401 MikeAlv77

The South Park episode about Paris Hilton is hilarious. I love how they skewer celebrities.

428 Sharmuta  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 6:27:40am

re: #397 KenJen

Scary. I used tanning beds when I was in my late teens, early twenties. I go to my dermatologist every year and have her check me head to toe. She even checks my scalp. Sad thing is most people who use tanning beds will not see this article or won't care. Having a tan today is more important than getting cancer in the future. The tanning bed salon next to my grocery store is always busy. People waiting in the lounge to get in a bed.

I've never used a tanning bed because it seemed obvious to me they couldn't be good for your skin. But for some people, vanity trumps reason.

I do know a young lady working on her medical degree, and she decided to go with dermatology. Looks like she choose wisely, as she'll likely have a steady stream of revenue in light of this report.

429 songbird  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 6:27:45am

re: #414 Desert Dog

The old "Ply her with Alcohol" trick, eh? It's been around since the cavemen discovered fermented fruits.

"Have some Madiera, m'dear!"

Youtube Video
430 rightside  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 6:27:54am

re: #415 njdhockeyfan

he was a pane in the ass?

could see right through him?

431 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 6:28:09am

re: #419 Charpete67

power, control...vote for me and I won't cut your health care...it takes a village...you choose.

conservative=reason
liberal=emotion

Very good WWII Disney cartoon on point here:

Youtube Video


Note: I am not, repeat, NOT trying to compare Obama to Hitler by posting this.

432 KenJen  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 6:28:13am

re: #420 Dark_Falcon

Good for you. Freaks like that require a firm response.

Yep. Voyeurism leads to really bad things.

433 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 6:29:49am

Off to work. Back tonight.

434 Mad Al-Jaffee  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 6:30:00am

re: #430 rightside

he was a pane in the ass?

could see right through him?

Your posts should be screened before they're allowed to appear here.

435 njdhockeyfan  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 6:30:02am

Heh. The press won't show that side of the debate. I wish Ronald Reagan was still around to give his opinion.

Here is an oldie but goodie...

Ronald Reagan Speaks Out Against Socialized Medicine

From the 1961 Operation Coffee Cup Campaign against Socialized Medicine as proposed by the Democrats, then a private citizen Ronald Reagan Speaks out against socialized medicine. There is no video because this was an LP sent out by the American Medical Association

Youtube Video
436 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 6:30:09am

re: #415 njdhockeyfan

Yep. Made me sad, but happy to know I'm not alone.

437 njdhockeyfan  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 6:30:48am

re: #434 Mad Al-Jaffee

Your posts should be screened before they're allowed to appear here.

That could cause a storm of protests.

438 Mad Al-Jaffee  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 6:31:04am

re: #437 njdhockeyfan

That could cause a storm of protests.

I'm not siding with you.

439 njdhockeyfan  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 6:31:22am

re: #436 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Yep. Made me sad, but happy to know I'm not alone.

I'm waiting for someone to tell me O is going to pay for their cable.

440 FrogMarch  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 6:31:37am

Why are the Socialist/Democrats so afraid of Free Markets?

The New York Times calls it "possibly the most complex legislation in modern history." The health care "reform" currently being hammered out by the Democratic leadership of the House of Representatives already clocks in at $1 trillion and 1,000 pages—and it's nowhere near done. But one thing is clear: the legislation attempts to substitute top-down mandates from a centralized bureaucracy for the distributed decisions made by millions of consumers, physicians, and insurers acting in a marketplace. This will fail.

441 Kenneth  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 6:32:01am

re: #437 njdhockeyfan

That could cause a storm of protests.

That depends on how you frame it.

442 SasquatchOnSteroids  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 6:32:10am

re: #438 Mad Al-Jaffee

I'm not siding with you.

I'm just going to eavesdrop on this wordplay.

443 KenJen  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 6:32:19am

re: #434 Mad Al-Jaffee

Your posts should be screened before they're allowed to appear here.

Dont have a temper transom over it.

444 Sharmuta  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 6:32:20am

re: #412 Desert Dog

Arsenic occurs naturally and poses a problem in places like well water and run off from farm fields...how does mustard gas come into that conversation? Is there a huge cloud of the stuff floating around from WWI still?

I agree with the conclusions though...people are foolish to irradiate themselves to "look better"...tan today, wrinkled up and cancerous tomorrow...sounds like a bad deal.

Ever see one of those leather faced women? Why would someone want to do that to themselves? They look 20 years older than they probably are. As for me- I'm always told I look younger than my age. I can handle that.

445 turn  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 6:32:25am

Morning fellow lizards,

What are we talking about? Oh the tanning bed story. I read that and said "duh", prolonged exposure to UV can cause cancer don't you know. Turn had a couple of basal cell melanoma cancers removed, one on my forehead and one on my hand. Being born and raised in Sac I've been in the sun my whole life. I've got red hair and a fair completion and used to try and get a friggin tan when I was a kid, back before anybody knew anything about sunblock. STUPID. Today I've got a very rutted complexion because of it and I turn beet red in the sun. Today I take precautions, shade hat and block.

Hey has anybody seen real around or heard from OR in Paris?

446 Mad Al-Jaffee  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 6:33:05am

re: #439 njdhockeyfan

I wonder if 0 ever found a home for this press conference prop woman.

[Link: www.cnn.com...]

447 Kenneth  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 6:33:35am

Iran, Islam and the Rule of Law by Francis Fukuyama

Political scientists categorize the Islamic Republic of Iran as an “electoral authoritarian” regime of a new sort. They put it in the same basket as Hugo Chávez’s Venezuela or Vladimir Putin’s Russia. By this view, Iran is fundamentally an authoritarian regime run by a small circle of clerics and military officials who use elections to legitimate themselves.

Others think of Iran as a medieval theocracy. Its 1979 constitution vests sovereignty not in the people, but in God, and establishes Islam and the Quran as the supreme sources of law.

...One does not have to go back to the Middle Ages to find historical precedents for this type of constitution. The clearest parallel would be the German Constitution adopted after the country was unified in the 1870s. Pre-World War I Germany had an elected parliament, or Reichstag, but reserved important powers for an unelected Kaiser, particularly in foreign policy and defense. This constitution got Germany into big trouble. The unelected part of the leadership controlled the armed forces. Eventually, though, it came to be controlled by the armed forces. This seems to be what’s unfolding in Iran today.

448 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 6:33:36am

re: #439 njdhockeyfan

I'm waiting for someone to tell me O is going to pay for their cable.

If Zero pays for cable, Fox News is a goner.

449 Mad Al-Jaffee  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 6:33:59am

re: #443 KenJen

Dont have a temper transom over it.

I hope this thread doesn't end up in the gutter.

450 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 6:34:22am

re: #442 SasquatchOnSteroids

I'm just going to eavesdrop on this wordplay.

These puns are pane-fully bad.

451 turn  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 6:34:39am

re: #434 Mad Al-Jaffee

Your posts should be screened before they're allowed to appear here.

A window pun thread? Sash a crazy thing.

452 Mad Al-Jaffee  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 6:35:43am

re: #450 NJDhockeyfan

These puns are pane-fully bad.

Some of them should be shuttered. Sometimes makes me wish I was blind.

453 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 6:35:57am

re: #452 Mad Al-Jaffee

Some of them should be shuttered. Sometimes makes me wish I was blind.

That was off the grid.

454 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 6:36:04am

Bye!

455 midwestgak  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 6:36:08am

re: #442 SasquatchOnSteroids

I'm just going to eavesdrop on this wordplay.

Is this gutter talk?

456 turn  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 6:36:25am

re: #445 turn

That's carcinoma you dumb shit turn, melanoma is way, way worse. Fortunately you don't have that - yet

457 wahabicorridor  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 6:36:49am

re: #409 Mad Al-Jaffee

I wonder where Silva will go when he finally runs out of Allon stories to tell.

I have all his books too. I dunno - there are certainly hints that the Allon series will end - but I would be so berift.

458 rightside  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 6:37:04am

re: #452 Mad Al-Jaffee

Trying to be sill(y)? I don't see your (glazers) point

459 midwestgak  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 6:37:20am

re: #445 turn

Morning {turn}. Haven't seen real this morning yet.

460 Sharmuta  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 6:37:23am

re: #445 turn

The tanning beds seem like a no-brainer to me. I thought I'd share it because I figured LGFers would want to know, for one, and would be able to spread the news to friends and family.

In more worldly news:

Nigerian troops battle Islamic militants in north

Troops exchanged fire with Islamic militants in northern Nigeria on Wednesday, fighting that prompted many people to flee their homes, a witness said.

The report came a day after President Umaru Yar'Adua insisted the military had the situation under control.

Olugbenga Akinbule, a local journalist, said he saw fighting Wednesday morning outside the suspected hideout of a radical Muslim leader accused of orchestrating three days of violence in Africa's most populous nation. He also said more people in the city of Maiduguri were fleeing, in addition to 3,000 people he said Tuesday had been displaced.

461 Mad Al-Jaffee  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 6:38:27am

re: #457 wahabicorridor

I have all his books too. I dunno - there are certainly hints that the Allon series will end - but I would be so berift.

I think he'll take Shamron's place as the head of "The Office," and one of the younger agents will take on his more active ops role.

Or maybe Silva will start a new series with new characters. As I'm sure you know, he did a series about a CIA agent before the Allon books.

462 Erik The Red  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 6:38:39am

Good Morning Lizards. I hope everyone has a great day. We are sliding into the weekend:)

463 FrogMarch  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 6:39:25am

Hi all.
Romney-Care is a bust, too.

Amid negotiations with leading Democrats over health-care reform, Iowa senator Chuck Grassley, ranking Republican on the Senate Finance Committee, commented, “The federal government is in the process of nationalizing banks, nationalizing General Motors — I’m going to make sure we don’t nationalize health insurance, and the ‘public option’ is the first step to doing that.”

Grassley is correct, and conservatives are right to oppose Pres. Barack Obama’s proposal to create a “Fannie Med.” But when it comes to nationalizing health insurance, there is more than one way to skin the patient. Indeed, there is talk on Capitol Hill that Grassley and other Senate Republicans may be close to a deal that would nationalize health care smack dab in the middle of the private sector. For an example of how that can be done, look to Massachusetts.

In 2006, Gov. Mitt Romney teamed up with Beacon Hill Democrats and the Heritage Foundation to enact the most sweeping health-care reform in the nation. Governor Romney made Massachusetts the first state to require that its residents purchase health insurance under penalty of law (the “individual mandate”) and the second state (after Hawaii) to require that employers make a minimum level of health insurance part of employee compensation (the “employer mandate”). Romney created new government subsidies and expanded Medicaid to help residents comply with those mandates. He also created a health-insurance “exchange” — a government-managed marketplace — called the Commonwealth Connector.

Although Romneycare included no insurance program explicitly run by the government, it gave Beacon Hill politicians so much power over the health care of Massachusetts residents that it might as well have. The individual and employer mandates, operating entirely within the private sector, imposed what amount to new tax burdens, gave government the power to regulate all aspects of health insurance and medical practice, and subjected residents’ access to medical care to political calculation.

464 Kenneth  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 6:39:28am

re: #445 turn

real sent me an email yesterday saying he needed to take a break. Not a crisis but he could use our prayers.

465 Charpete67  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 6:39:30am

re: #431 Dark_Falcon

...I can't imagine that will make it's way to the Cartoon network anytime soon...

466 Mad Al-Jaffee  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 6:39:30am

re: #458 rightside

Trying to be sill(y)? I don't see your (glazers) point

You're on a ledge this morning. Soon it will be curtains for these puns.

467 KenJen  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 6:39:53am

re: #455 midwestgak

Is this gutter talk?

We'll try to keep that kinda talk at bay.

468 turn  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 6:39:56am

re: #459 midwestgak

Morning {turn}. Haven't seen real this morning yet.

Hey morning {gal}. Was real here yesterday? I was in and out and missed him I guess. How about OR?

469 Sharmuta  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 6:40:05am

Car bomb in Spain destroys police barracks

A powerful car bomb destroyed a police barracks housing officers and their families in northern Spain on Wednesday, injuring about 60 people and causing major damage in the surrounding area. The attack was blamed on the Basque separatist group ETA.

ETA did not phone in a warning as it typically does before most attacks, so authorities had no time to evacuate the 14-story building in Burgos, police said. There were around 120 people in the barracks and surrounding buildings, a third of them children, when the explosion went off at 4 a.m. (0200 GMT, 10 p.m. EDT Tuesday).

470 Mad Al-Jaffee  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 6:40:44am

re: #462 Erik The Red

Good Morning Lizards. I hope everyone has a great day. We are sliding into the weekend:)

Yeah, it's hump day! I was really disappointed when I first found out what that really meant.

471 Kenneth  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 6:40:58am

re: #445 turn

And if OR is hanging out on LGF while he's in Paris, he doesn't deserve to be there.

472 Bloodnok  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 6:41:21am

re: #444 Sharmuta

Ever see one of those leather faced women? Why would someone want to do that to themselves? They look 20 years older than they probably are. As for me- I'm always told I look younger than my age. I can handle that.

I'm told I look tall for my hair color.

473 midwestgak  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 6:41:22am

Shingles are painful.re: #468 turn

If real was here I missed him. OR? I don't know.

474 Mad Al-Jaffee  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 6:41:54am

re: #471 Kenneth

And if OR is hanging out on LGF while he's in Paris, he doesn't deserve to be there.

Hilton?

475 turn  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 6:42:01am

re: #460 Sharmuta

The tanning beds seem like a no-brainer to me. I thought I'd share it because I figured LGFers would want to know, for one, and would be able to spread the news to friends and family.

In more worldly news:

Nigerian troops battle Islamic militants in north

Morning Sharm, yes it doesn't hurt to warn people of the obvious. I wish my parents had taken as much precaution with my exposure to the sun as I do with my two boys. I'm going to have to stop calling them boys I guess, turnspawn turned 25 yesterday.

476 turn  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 6:42:36am

re: #464 Kenneth

real sent me an email yesterday saying he needed to take a break. Not a crisis but he could use our prayers.

ok, thanks Kenneth. I'll email him today and say hi.

477 lincolntf  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 6:43:06am

re: #463 FrogMarch

Romney's plan was the result of a compromise with zealots. He was fighting against the total Socialization of the system. I was living there for the whole debate and enactment, and I think he really did do the best he could. It's a mess up there.

478 Erik The Red  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 6:43:27am

re: #470 Mad Al-Jaffee

Yeah, it's hump day! I was really disappointed when I first found out what that really meant.

LOL. I was going to call it Hump Day but was not sure if that term is widely known here in the US. To early for me to be ripped :)

479 turn  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 6:43:28am

re: #471 Kenneth

And if OR is hanging out on LGF while he's in Paris, he doesn't deserve to be there.

haha, but I bet you he checks in.

480 Sharmuta  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 6:43:29am

re: #472 Bloodnok

I'm told I look tall for my hair color.

Now that is weird.

481 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 6:44:17am

Here is another Ronald Regan speech.

Reagan - A Time For Choosing

Youtube Video

Great quote on appeasement: " I would rather die on my feet than live on my knees."

482 turn  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 6:44:36am

re: #473 midwestgak

Shingles are painful.

If real was here I missed him. OR? I don't know.

Shingles, never had them. But poor turnspawn2 had the chicken pox at 16 last year - oh man it was painful to watch.

483 Mad Al-Jaffee  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 6:45:01am

re: #481 NJDhockeyfan

Here is another Ronald Regan speech.

Reagan - A Time For Choosing

Youtube Video

Great quote on appeasement: " I would rather die on my feet than live on my knees."

That's also a line from Repo Man!

484 midwestgak  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 6:46:30am

re: #482 turn

Shingles, never had them. But poor turnspawn2 had the chicken pox at 16 last year - oh man it was painful to watch.

Shingles. Was meant to be a pun. sorry about your boy. Glad he's okay now.

485 Sharmuta  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 6:46:50am

Iran's first trials of protesters to begin

Iran on Wednesday announced that the first trials of postelection protesters will begin this weekend, as anger grew even among some government supporters over abuse of those detained in the more than 6-week-old crackdown.

Accounts emerged from released prisoners about beatings and brutality during their detention. One told of being crammed with 200 other protesters in a pitch-black cell as guards waded in, beating them. Another said he and other detainees were forced to lick toilet bowls.

In recent days, there have been several deaths of young activists in prison — including the son of a prominent conservative. The announcement of trials is likely to anger the opposition, which says that detainees are being tortured into making false confessions to be used against them in court.

Can we have preconditions now, Mr President?

486 Bloodnok  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 6:46:51am

re: #477 lincolntf

Romney's plan was the result of a compromise with zealots. He was fighting against the total Socialization of the system. I was living there for the whole debate and enactment, and I think he really did do the best he could. It's a mess up there.

I agree. It was going to pass one way or another as his veto would be worthless with the extra-super-duper majority that exists in both houses here. He could have gotten out of the way, but the plan would have been even worse.

487 FrogMarch  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 6:47:45am

re: #477 lincolntf

Romney's plan was the result of a compromise with zealots. He was fighting against the total Socialization of the system. I was living there for the whole debate and enactment, and I think he really did do the best he could. It's a mess up there.

In uber-lib MA it's understandable. But the rest of the nation should take notice. Even when conservatives force a mandated scheme - it's destined to be a big inefficient corrupt mess.

488 turn  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 6:48:35am

re: #484 midwestgak

Shingles. Was meant to be a pun. sorry about your boy. Glad he's okay now.

Oh duh, sometimes my head is as thick as dry wall. Thanks about t2, well he did recover but unfortunately it left some facial scars.

489 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 6:48:37am

re: #485 Sharmuta

Iran's first trials of protesters to begin

Can we have preconditions now, Mr President?

Did they force the protester to put underwear on their heads? Now that would be really bad.

//

490 FrogMarch  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 6:49:19am

re: #487 FrogMarch

In uber-lib MA it's understandable. But the rest of the nation should take notice. Even when conservatives force a mandated scheme - it's destined to be a big inefficient corrupt mess.

-- and I'm talking less about Romney and more about Iowa senator Chuck Grassley. We should keep an eye on him. He could screw us all over.

491 Mad Al-Jaffee  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 6:49:48am

re: #482 turn

Shingles, never had them. But poor turnspawn2 had the chicken pox at 16 last year - oh man it was painful to watch.

I had chicken pox when I was 16 or 17. It started the first or second day of summer vacation. Sucked.

492 vxbush  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 6:50:22am

re: #473 midwestgak

Shingles are painful.

Oh, I know that. I had them about eight years ago. I couldn't work for about a month, and I felt like I had boiling oil going up and down my neck. Not fun.

And, on that happy note, morning, everyone! /sarc

493 turn  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 6:50:43am

re: #491 Mad Al-Jaffee

I had chicken pox when I was 16 or 17. It started the first or second day of summer vacation. Sucked.

That's too bad mad. Hey if you don't mind, did it leave any permanent scars?

494 Sheila Broflovski  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 6:52:38am

re: #485 Sharmuta

Iran's first trials of protesters to begin

Can we have preconditions now, Mr President?

Only for Israel.

495 Mad Al-Jaffee  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 6:53:34am

re: #493 turn

That's too bad mad. Hey if you don't mind, did it leave any permanent scars?

No, at least not physical ones. :)

My brother got to miss the last two weeks of school when he had them. I missed the begining of summer vacation.

496 KenJen  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 6:53:39am

re: #485 Sharmuta

Iran's first trials of protesters to begin


Can we have preconditions now, Mr President?

"No we can't. Quit asking. Also, I don't know all the facts but these protesters acted stupidly".--Obama

497 yochanan  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 6:53:44am

re: #485 Sharmuta

now if they had just been HERR GATES then the zero would have said the police and thugs had behaved stupidly. but since the zero wants to shake the blood covered hand of the iranian short shit he says next to nothing and then only after 10 days

498 turn  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 6:54:27am

re: #485 Sharmuta

Iran's first trials of protesters to begin


Can we have preconditions now, Mr President?

Are you insinuating that o would rush to judgment and condemn someone without having all the facts?

499 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 6:55:18am

The idiots running the country are fighting each amongst each other. Popcorn anyone?

Waters warns Blue Dogs to beware 2010

Liberal frustration started to boil over in the House on Tuesday as negotiations over healthcare reform with centrist Blue Dog Democrats dragged into a second week.

The delay prompted Rep. Maxine Waters (D-Calif.) to lash out at the Blue Dogs as hypocritical and even hint that more liberal Democrats might challenge them in primaries.

“On the one hand they don’t want to spend money, but on the other hand they want to spend money when it benefits them or their district,” Waters said on MSNBC, referring to Blue Dogs’ demand to increase Medicare reimbursements for rural physicians.

Seven Blue Dogs on the House Energy and Commerce Committee have effectively blocked the panel from working on the bill for more than a week, saying it’s too expensive and puts too much of a burden on small employers.

Asked if she would recruit more liberal candidates to run against Blue Dogs, Waters said, “That’s normally not done.”

But she added: “There may be people out there listening and observing all of this who may get motivated based on what they’re seeing and throw their hat into the ring.”

She also criticized White House Chief of Staff Rahm Emanuel for recruiting many of the House’s more conservative members when he headed the House Democrats’ campaign arm. Now, she said, “The chickens are coming home to roost.”

Heh.

500 wahabicorridor  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 6:55:30am

Washington Times had a good editorial about the 'assisted euthanasia' bust up - which we're all being told we're over-reacting to.

In an April 28 New York Times interview, the president spoke of having government guide a "very difficult democratic conversation" about "those toward the end of their lives [who] are accounting for potentially 80 percent of the total health care bill out here
[ ]
It is in that light that House Republicans warn against draft Section 1233 of the House Democratic health care bill as an area of deep concern. It provides for seniors, every five years, to be provided "advance care planning consultation" for "end-of-life services."
[ ]
The situation is even worse in Oregon, which has legalized "assisted suicide." As radio host and author Mark Levin has publicized in his best-seller "Liberty and Tyranny," the Oregon health plan last year refused to pay for a recognized drug to prolong the life of lung cancer patient Barbara Wagner even after her oncologist prescribed it. Yet the same bureaucrats told Ms. Wagner that the plan would indeed cover doctor-assisted suicide if she chose that option.
[ ]
For instance, until he raised a ruckus, 53-year-old prostate cancer patient Randy Stroup of Dexter, Ore., was denied new treatments but offered full payment if he would just agree to be killed.

501 turn  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 6:56:06am

re: #495 Mad Al-Jaffee

No, at least not physical ones. :)

My brother got to miss the last two weeks of school when he had them. I missed the begining of summer vacation.

I got them at about 7 on a vacation back to Oak Creek CO. That sucked too, ruined the vacation for me.

502 vxbush  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 6:56:15am

Okay, I am REALLY ANNOYED at the paving people. They've decided they have to repave the roads around my building. That's fine. But they are completely screwing with traffic and making it impossible to get in and out. Right now, the parking lot is completely blocked off in all directions. We cannot leave our building, even if we want to.

*fume*

503 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 6:56:37am

I asked this earlier when everyone was sleeping. Does anyone know where to get a Free Iran shirt like people have on their avatars? Can't find one. The green one.

504 wahabicorridor  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 6:57:04am

re: #499 NJDhockeyfan

Go ahead, you dumbass. Run lib dems in conservative dem districts.

/bring it

505 vxbush  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 6:57:08am

re: #501 turn

I got them at about 7 on a vacation back to Oak Creek CO. That sucked too, ruined the vacation for me.

I had measles at Christmas. Worst. Holiday. Ever.

506 Spare O'Lake  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 6:57:36am

Good Morning LGF.

507 wahabicorridor  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 6:58:09am

re: #502 vxbush

start a fire in your yard and call the fire dept. That should clear a path right quick

/kidding

508 notutopia  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 6:58:09am

Line by line provisions of the Obama Healthcare Plan.
Peter Fleckstein (aka Fleckman) is reading it and has been posting on Twitter his findings . This is from his postings (Note: All comments are Fleckman's)

Pg 22 of the HC Bill MANDATES the Govt will audit books of ALL EMPLOYERS that self insure!!

Pg 30 Section 123 of HC Bill - THERE WILL BE A GOVERNMENT COMMITTEE that decides what treatments/benefits you get

Pg 29 Lines 4-16 of the HC Bill - YOUR HEALTHCARE IS RATIONED!!!

Pg 42 of the HC Bill - The Health Choices Commissioner will choose YOUR HEALTHCARE Benefits for you. You have no choice!

Pg 50 Section 152 of the HC Bill - HEALTHCARE will be provided to ALL non US citizens, illegal or otherwise

Pg 58 of the HC Bill - Government will have real-time access to individuals finances & a National ID Healthcard will be issued!

Pg 59 Lines 21-24 of the HC Bill - Government will have direct access to your bank accounts for electronic fund transfers

Pg 65 Section 164 of the HC Bill - Payoff subsidized plan for retirees and their families in Unions & Community Organizations (ACORN)

Pg 72 Lines 8-14 of the HC Bill - Government is creating an HC Exchange to bring private HC plans under Government control

Pg 84 Section 203 of the HC Bill - Government mandates ALL benefit packages for private HC plans in the Exchange Pg 85 Line 7 of the HC Bill - Specs of Benefit Levels for Plans = The Government will ration your HC!

Pg 91 Lines 4-7 of the HC Bill - Government t mandates linguistic appropriate services - Example: Translation for illegal aliens

Pg 95 Lines 8-18 of the HC Bill - The Government will use groups i.e., ACORN & Americorps to sign up individuals for Government HC plan

Pg 102 Lines 12-18 of the HC Bill - Medicaid Eligible Individuals will be automatically enrolled in Medicaid. No Choice

Pg 124 Lines 24-25 of the HC Bill - No company can sue the Government on price fixing. No "judicial review" against Government Monopoly

Pg 127 Lines 1-16 of the HC Bill - Doctors/AMA - The Government will tell YOU what you can make

Pg 145 Lines 15-17 of the HC Bill - An Employer MUST auto enroll employees into public option plan. NO CHOICE

Pg 126 Lines 22-25 of the HC Bill - Employers MUST pay for HC for part time employees AND their families

Pg 149 Lines 16-24 of the HC Bill - ANY Employer with a payroll of $400k and above who does not provide the Public Option must pay 8% tax on all payroll

PG 150 Lines 9-13 of the HC Bill - Businesses with payrolls between $251k and $ 400k that don't provide the Public Option must pay 2-6% tax on all payroll

Pg 167 Lines 18-23 of the HC Bill - ANY individual who doesnt have acceptable HC according to Government will be taxed 2.5% of income

Pg 170 Lines 1-3 of the HC Bill - Any NONRESIDENT Alien is exempt from individual taxes (Americans will pay)

Pg 195 of the HC Bill - Officers and Employees of HC Administration (GOVT) will have access to ALL Americans financial/personal records

Pg 203 Lines 14-15 of the HC Bill - "The tax imposed under this section shall not be treated as tax". Yes, it says that

Pg 239 Lines 14-24 of the HC Bill - Government will reduce physician services for Medicaid. Seniors, low income, poor affected

Pg 241 Lines 6-8 of the HC Bill - Doctors, doesnt matter what specialty you have, will all be paid the same

Pg 253 Lines 10-18 of the HC Bill - Government sets the value of Doctor's time, professional judgement, etc. Literally value of humans

Pg 265 Section 1131 of the HC Bill - Government mandates and controls productivity for private HC industries

Pg 268 Section 1141 of the HC Bill - Federal Government regulates rental & purchase of power driven wheelchairs

Pg 272 Section 1145 of the HC Bill - TREATMENT OF CERTAIN CANCER HOSPITALS - Cancer patients, welcome to rationing!

Pg 280 Section 1151 of the HC Bill - The Government will penalize hospitals for what the Government deems preventable readmissions

cont'd

509 Charpete67  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 6:58:14am

re: #481 NJDhockeyfan

some group should buy some air time and just play some of his speeches. I've gone back and listened to many of them and they are still so true today...timeless.

510 Desert Dog  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 6:58:27am

re: #504 wahabicorridor

Go ahead, you dumbass. Run lib dems in conservative dem districts.

/bring it

What, you mean the current Democrat majority is not permanent? /

511 midwestgak  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 6:58:35am

re: #494 Alouette

Only for Israel.


Where are all of Obama's Jewish boosters now?

Ed Lasky
Criticism of Barack Obama's stance towards Israel has gone mainstream, and has appeared in media outlets and from Jewish groups across the spectrum. T

These include, the New York Post, all the Israeli papers, the Wall Street Journal, the New York Times (in a recent op-ed), Commentary Magazine, statements from Abe Foxman of the Anti-Defamation League, David Harris of the American Jewish Committee, and a statement issued by The Conference of Presidents of Major Jewish Organizations, Washington Post columnists, and the Washington Times.

Criticism has even appeared at the liberal New Republic, including from Marty Peretz who, during the campaign, wholeheartedly supported Obama and deflected criticism that he would not be a supporter of Israel. James Kirchick, an editor at the magazine has been especially insightful (see, for example, "Israel Betrayed" regarding the damage Obama has already caused to the American-Israel relationship).

Even Democratic Congressmen have begun to speak out regarding Obama's approach towards Israel, including Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, Senator Robert Menendez of New Jersey, and Congresswoman Shelley Berkley of Nevada.

So a question naturally arises. Where have Barack Obama's Jewish defenders been hiding?

512 Sharmuta  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 6:58:40am

This is a couple weeks old, but I haven't seen this mentioned (maybe I missed it, so pardons if I have):

World Jewish Congress leader calls on Bernie Ecclestone to resign after Hiltler comments

World Jewish Congress President Ronald Lauder called on Formula One boss Bernie Ecclestone to resign after being quoted as saying that Adolf Hitler "got things done."

Lauder said he is no longer fit to serve in his role.

In an interview with The Times in London published on Saturday, Ecclestone, a 78-year-old billionaire, expressed preference for "strong leaders," while saying democracy had done little for Britain over the years.

"In a lot of ways, terrible to say this I suppose, but apart from the fact that Hitler got taken away and persuaded to do things that I have no idea whether he wanted to do or not, he was in the way that he could command a lot of people, able to get things done," Ecclestone said.

Think he's a Holocaust denier?

513 Spenser (with an S)  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 6:58:42am

re: #496 KenJen

re: #485 Sharmuta

Iran's first trials of protesters to begin


Can we have preconditions now, Mr President?

"No we can't. Quit asking. Also, I don't know all the facts but these protesters acted stupidly".--Obama

"Targeting religious police simply because of the color of their robes has been a problem in Iran for years."

514 turn  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 6:59:06am

re: #500 wahabicorridor

This is outrageous ...

515 Kenneth  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 6:59:22am

Iran and the Taliban, allies against America

Over the past several years, US military officials have repeatedly pointed out that the Iranian regime provides assistance to the Taliban in Afghanistan. In particular, US officials have noted that the Iranians have shipped arms, including anti-aircraft missiles, to the Taliban on numerous occasions.

...Even one-time enemies like the Taliban and Iran can conspire when it comes to countering their mutual enemy: America. And, somewhat surprisingly, they had begun to plan their countermeasures even before the September 11 attacks prompted America's response in the region.

516 notutopia  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 6:59:49am

Pg 298 Lines 9-11 of the HC Bill - Doctors that treat a patient during initial admission that results in a readmission - The Government will penalize you

Pg 317 Lines 13-20 of the HC Bill - OH MY GOD!!! - PROHIBITION on ownership/investment. The Government tells Doctors what/how much they can own

Pgs 317-318 Lines 1-3 and 21-25 of the HC Bill - PROHIBITION on expansion - Government is mandating that hospitals cannot expand

Pg 321 Lines 2-13 of the HC Bill - Hospitals have opportunigy to apply for exception BUT community input required. Can you say ACORN?!!

Pg 335 Lines 16-25 and Pgs 336-339 of the HC Bill - Governmtent mandates establishment of outcome based measures. HC the way they want. Rationing

Pg 341 Lines 3-9 of the HC Bill - Government has authority to disqualify Medicare Advanced Plans, HMOs, etc. Forcing people into the Government Plan

Pg 354 Section 1177 of the HC Bill - Government will RESTRICT enrollment of Special needs people!

Pg 379 Section 1191 of the HC Bill - Government creates more bureaucracy - Telehealth Advisory Committee. Can you say HC by phone?

Pg 425 Lines 4-12 of the HC Bill - Government mandates Advance Care Planning Consultant. Think Senior Citizens and the end of their life!
Pg 425 Lines 17-19 of the HC Bill - Government will instruct and consult regarding living wills, durable powers of attorney, etc. Mandatory!

Pg 425 Lines 22-25 and Pg 426 Lines 1-3 of the HC Bill - Government provides approved list of end of life resources, guiding you into death

Pg 427 Lines 15-24 of the HC Bill - Government mandates program for orders for end of life. The Government has a say in how your life ends

Pg 429 Lines 1-9 of the HC Bill - An "advanced care planning consultant" will be used frequently as patients health deteriorates

Pg 429 Lines 10-12 of the HC Bill - "advanced care consultation" may include an ORDER for end of life plans. AN ORDER from GOVERNMENT!

Pg 429 Lines 13-25 of the HC Bill - The Government will specify which Doctors can write an end of life order

Pg 430 Lines 11-15 of the HC Bill - The Government will decide what level of treatment you will have at end of life

Pg 469 of the HC Bill - Community Based Home Medical Services = Non profit Organizations. Hello, ACORN Medical Services has arrived!!!
Pg 472 Lines 14-17 of the HC Bill - PAYMENT TO COMMUNITY-BASED ORGANIZATIONS. 1 monthly payment to a community based organizations. ACORN?

Pg 489 Section 1308 of the HC Bill - The Government will cover Marriage and Family therapy. Which means they will insert Government into your marriage

Pgs 494-498 of the HC Bill - Government will cover Mental Health Services including defining, creating, rationing those services

Here's the full Health Care bill that sits in the House.

I posted this info synopsis on the front page links and am getting negative hits. Please intervene if you deem it valid to do so.
Thank you.

517 midwestgak  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 7:00:24am

re: #502 vxbush

Okay, I am REALLY ANNOYED at the paving people. They've decided they have to repave the roads around my building. That's fine. But they are completely screwing with traffic and making it impossible to get in and out. Right now, the parking lot is completely blocked off in all directions. We cannot leave our building, even if we want to.

*fume*

Must be a government project.

518 FrogMarch  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 7:01:13am

re: #508 notutopia

Fannie Med. Because the governmetn is good at f*cking. it. all. up.
/for the common good

519 vxbush  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 7:01:45am

re: #508 notutopia

You know, I'm so angry about all this I'm starting to combust. I'm going to set off the fire alarms and the sprinklers if this doesn't stop.

520 turn  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 7:02:32am

re: #505 vxbush

I had measles at Christmas. Worst. Holiday. Ever.

dang {vx}. Hey how is your energy level, any better?

521 wahabicorridor  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 7:02:44am

re: #516 notutopia

Keep posting in the spinoffs - the negatvie hits are for the content - everybody thinks this stuff sucks.

522 SixDegrees  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 7:03:55am

re: #519 vxbush

You know, I'm so angry about all this I'm starting to combust. I'm going to set off the fire alarms and the sprinklers if this doesn't stop.

Actually, you should call the police and fire departments immediately. Blocking off access and the ability to exit is dangerous and is almost certainly a violation of local ordinances.

523 turn  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 7:03:59am

re: #508 notutopia

Haven't read them all yet but this one alone is a show stopper for turn:

"Pg 30 Section 123 of HC Bill - THERE WILL BE A GOVERNMENT COMMITTEE that decides what treatments/benefits you get"

524 Spenser (with an S)  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 7:04:07am

Posted this in yesterday's OT, but nobody laughed.

I grilled whole rainbow trout for dinner. The kids asked "Rainbow Fish? Like the book?" (stupid, socialist, share it all book). I said "Yep, Rainbow Fish was weak from never competing in games and never learning how to take care of himself that he was easy to catch. Remember kids, 2nd place is 1st loser."

525 Gang of One  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 7:04:14am

Good morning everyone from cloudy, northern NJ. Was reading some the posts about tanning and UV radiation. I allowed myself to get a pretty severe sunburn on Sunday at the Jersey Shore® and was in agony for two days. This morning, it just itches like mad and I'm peeling like a dry onion. Will remember not to use tanning oil and that it washes off in the surf.

/intelligence sans common sense.

526 vxbush  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 7:04:25am

re: #517 midwestgak

Must be a government project.

It might even be paid for with stimulus money. I'm not sure. But it's driving all of us nuts here.

527 yochanan  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 7:04:49am

re: #508 notutopia

Line by line provisions of the Obama Healthcare Plan.
Peter Fleckstein (aka Fleckman) is reading it and has been posting on Twitter his findings . This is from his postings (Note: All comments are Fleckman's)

Pg 22 of the HC Bill MANDATES the Govt will audit books of ALL EMPLOYERS that self insure!!

Pg 30 Section 123 of HC Bill - THERE WILL BE A GOVERNMENT COMMITTEE that decides what treatments/benefits you get

Pg 29 Lines 4-16 of the HC Bill - YOUR HEALTHCARE IS RATIONED!!!

Pg 42 of the HC Bill - The Health Choices Commissioner will choose YOUR HEALTHCARE Benefits for you. You have no choice!

Pg 50 Section 152 of the HC Bill - HEALTHCARE will be provided to ALL non US citizens, illegal or otherwise

Pg 58 of the HC Bill - Government will have real-time access to individuals finances & a National ID Healthcard will be issued!

Pg 59 Lines 21-24 of the HC Bill - Government will have direct access to your bank accounts for electronic fund transfers

Pg 65 Section 164 of the HC Bill - Payoff subsidized plan for retirees and their families in Unions & Community Organizations (ACORN)

Pg 72 Lines 8-14 of the HC Bill - Government is creating an HC Exchange to bring private HC plans under Government control

Pg 84 Section 203 of the HC Bill - Government mandates ALL benefit packages for private HC plans in the Exchange Pg 85 Line 7 of the HC Bill - Specs of Benefit Levels for Plans = The Government will ration your HC!

Pg 91 Lines 4-7 of the HC Bill - Government t mandates linguistic appropriate services - Example: Translation for illegal aliens

Pg 95 Lines 8-18 of the HC Bill - The Government will use groups i.e., ACORN & Americorps to sign up individuals for Government HC plan

Pg 102 Lines 12-18 of the HC Bill - Medicaid Eligible Individuals will be automatically enrolled in Medicaid. No Choice

Pg 124 Lines 24-25 of the HC Bill - No company can sue the Government on price fixing. No "judicial review" against Government Monopoly

Pg 127 Lines 1-16 of the HC Bill - Doctors/AMA - The Government will tell YOU what you can make

Pg 145 Lines 15-17 of the HC Bill - An Employer MUST auto enroll employees into public option plan. NO CHOICE

Pg 126 Lines 22-25 of the HC Bill - Employers MUST pay for HC for part time employees AND their families

Pg 149 Lines 16-24 of the HC Bill - ANY Employer with a payroll of $400k and above who does not provide the Public Option must pay 8% tax on all payroll

PG 150 Lines 9-13 of the HC Bill - Businesses with payrolls between $251k and $ 400k that don't provide the Public Option must pay 2-6% tax on all payroll

Pg 167 Lines 18-23 of the HC Bill - ANY individual who doesnt have acceptable HC according to Government will be taxed 2.5% of income

Pg 170 Lines 1-3 of the HC Bill - Any NONRESIDENT Alien is exempt from individual taxes (Americans will pay)

Pg 195 of the HC Bill - Officers and Employees of HC Administration (GOVT) will have access to ALL Americans financial/personal records

Pg 203 Lines 14-15 of the HC Bill - "The tax imposed under this section shall not be treated as tax". Yes, it says that

Pg 239 Lines 14-24 of the HC Bill - Government will reduce physician services for Medicaid. Seniors, low income, poor affected

Pg 241 Lines 6-8 of the HC Bill - Doctors, doesnt matter what specialty you have, will all be paid the same

Pg 253 Lines 10-18 of the HC Bill - Government sets the value of Doctor's time, professional judgement, etc. Literally value of humans

Pg 265 Section 1131 of the HC Bill - Government mandates and controls productivity for private HC industries

Pg 268 Section 1141 of the HC Bill - Federal Government regulates rental & purchase of power driven wheelchairs

BAD VERY VERY BAD!

528 Kenneth  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 7:05:35am

Confirmed: Obama sent letters to Arab heads of state... and they were ignored

Obama's Middle East accomplishments so far:

1. Alienated Israel
2. Encouraged Hamas
3. Sucked up to Syria
4. Grovelled to Iran
5. Ignored by Arab allies

Heck of a job, Barry!

529 wahabicorridor  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 7:06:01am

re: #514 turn

This is outrageous ...

no. It isn't. And I'll tell you why.

BECAUSE IT WAS ABSOLUTELY PREDICTABLE AND PEOPLE ALLOWED THEMSELVES TO BE LIED TO.

That is the outrage.

530 Gang of One  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 7:07:22am

re: #511 midwestgak

Where are all of Obama's Jewish boosters now?

So a question naturally arises. Where have Barack Obama's Jewish defenders been hiding?

Out in the Hamptons, working on their tans.

531 midwestgak  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 7:07:43am

re: #526 vxbush

It might even be paid for with stimulus money. I'm not sure. But it's driving all of us nuts here.

Being impeded by such road work is maddening.

532 wahabicorridor  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 7:07:59am

re: #524 Spenser (with an S)

So did they eat it?

oh, noes, we can't eat Bambi, type thingy?

533 turn  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 7:08:18am

re: #527 yochanan

Pg 95 Lines 8-18 of the HC Bill - The Government will use groups i.e., ACORN & Americorps to sign up individuals for Government HC plan

No wonder it's going to be so expensive, I just can't imagine how much it must cost to provide health care service for dead people.

534 sattv4u2  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 7:08:49am

re: #528 Kenneth

Confirmed: Obama sent letters to Arab heads of state... and they were ignored

Obama's Middle East accomplishments so far:


Heck of a job, Barry!

That's a perfect score! Not easily done!

535 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 7:09:01am

re: #525 Gang of One

I think tanning oil will make you burn. Sun block should be in your future. Use a high SPF.

536 Kenneth  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 7:09:04am

“Be very, very careful what you put into that head, because you will never, ever get it out.”

– Cardinal Wolsey

537 Mad Al-Jaffee  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 7:09:06am

re: #524 Spenser (with an S)

Good one. And I had something similar for dinner last night, homemade grilled fish tacos. Very easy to make, damn good for you and tasty!

[Link: www.chow.com...]

538 vxbush  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 7:09:11am

re: #520 turn

dang {vx}. Hey how is your energy level, any better?

Ah, turn, you're so sweet to ask!

Today, yes, I have some energy. I wasn't ready when the alarm clock went off, but last night I was able to mop my floors last night. I haven't been able to do that in about a month.

My latest doctor appointment has me rearranging my meds a bit, so we'll see if that helps, too. I think it might, based on our discussion. It might take a month for me to see results, though.

539 wahabicorridor  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 7:09:23am

ok, gotta get food.

BBL

540 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 7:09:32am

John Holdren is still getting some press about his book.

Obama’s Science Czar Said a Born Baby ‘Will Ultimately Develop Into a Human Being’

(CNSNews.com) - President Obama’s top science adviser said in a book he co-authored in 1973 that a newborn child “will ultimately develop into a human being” if he or she is properly fed and socialized.

“The fetus, given the opportunity to develop properly before birth, and given the essential early socializing experiences and sufficient nourishing food during the crucial early years after birth, will ultimately develop into a human being,” John P. Holdren, director of the White House Office of Science and Technology Policy, wrote in “Human Ecology: Problems and Solutions.”

Holdren co-authored the book with Stanford professors Paul R. Ehrlich and Anne H. Ehrlich. The book was published by W.H. Freeman and Company.

At the time “Human Ecology” was published, Holdren was a senior research fellow at the California Institute of Technology. Paul Ehrlich, currently president of The Center for Conservation Biology at Stanford, is also author of the 1968 bestseller, “The Population Bomb,” a book The Washington Post said “launched the popular movement for zero population growth.”

“Human Ecology: Problems and Solutions” argued that the human race faced dire consequences unless human population growth was stopped.

“Human values and institutions have set mankind on a collision course with the laws of nature,” wrote the Ehrlichs and Holdren. “Human beings cling jealously to their prerogative to reproduce as they please—and they please to make each new generation larger than the last—yet endless multiplication on a finite planet is impossible. Most humans aspire to greater material prosperity, but the number of people that can be supported on Earth if everyone is rich is even smaller than if everyone is poor.”

The specific passage expressing the authors’ view that a baby “will ultimately develop into a human being” is on page 235 in chapter 8 of the book, which is titled “Population Limitation.”

541 turn  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 7:09:49am

re: #529 wahabicorridor

no. It isn't. And I'll tell you why.

BECAUSE IT WAS ABSOLUTELY PREDICTABLE AND PEOPLE ALLOWED THEMSELVES TO BE LIED TO.

That is the outrage.

touche!

542 Mad Al-Jaffee  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 7:11:43am

re: #532 wahabicorridor

So did they eat it?

oh, noes, we can't eat Bambi, type thingy?

Save the sea kittehs!!!

543 Spare O'Lake  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 7:11:47am

re: #512 Sharmuta

This is a couple weeks old, but I haven't seen this mentioned (maybe I missed it, so pardons if I have):

World Jewish Congress leader calls on Bernie Ecclestone to resign after Hiltler comments


Think he's a Holocaust denier?

Nah, based on your link he said Hitler just got "taken" (= carried?) away.
So he's not a holocaust denier, he's a Hitler denier.

544 Gang of One  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 7:12:04am

re: #535 Cannadian Club Akbar

I think tanning oil will make you burn. Sun block should be in your future. Use a high SPF.

Always have, especially when I lived in Mexico and spent mucho tiempo en Acapulco. Somehow, I just short-circuited, thinking the oil would be OK and the GF and I were only in the sun for two hours. Epic fail on my part.

545 KenJen  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 7:12:11am

re: #524 Spenser (with an S)

Posted this in yesterday's OT, but nobody laughed.

I grilled whole rainbow trout for dinner. The kids asked "Rainbow Fish? Like the book?" (stupid, socialist, share it all book). I said "Yep, Rainbow Fish was weak from never competing in games and never learning how to take care of himself that he was easy to catch. Remember kids, 2nd place is 1st loser."

re: #540 NJDhockeyfan

He is a very sick man.

546 Spenser (with an S)  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 7:12:30am

re: #532 wahabicorridor

re: #524 Spenser (with an S)

So did they eat it?

oh, noes, we can't eat Bambi, type thingy?

Yes, they did. They're not real troubled by that kind of thing. Even my daughter. I got a bb gun just to tweak the bunnies that were eating our veggies and flowers. One night I pumped it a little too much and put one through a rabbit's heart and dropped him. My daughter thought for 2 seconds and said "Well, he won't be eating our flowers anymore, will he".

547 turn  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 7:13:11am

re: #538 vxbush

Good luck. I can sympathize with you because the turnwife has been sick lately and has zero energy. She has an appointment with the doctor today, I think she has a low grade infection in her eyes and one ear.

548 vxbush  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 7:13:26am

re: #544 Gang of One

Always have, especially when I lived in Mexico and spent mucho tiempo en Acapulco. Somehow, I just short-circuited, thinking the oil would be OK and the GF and I were only in the sun for two hours. Epic fail on my part.

Had a friend in high school who thought baby oil was sun block. Shall we charitable and say she wasn't the brightest light in the closet? She burned so bad she had to go to the hospital for third degree burns. Sheets would peel off her back for weeks.

549 FrogMarch  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 7:13:50am

Yahoo Headline: Health care "reform" -- Obama is recalibrating his deceptive language.

Just kidding. Real headline: Obama says health plan to include consumer protections

Want to protect the consumer? Stay out of it.

550 vxbush  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 7:14:00am

re: #547 turn

Good luck. I can sympathize with you because the turnwife has been sick lately and has zero energy. She has an appointment with the doctor today, I think she has a low grade infection in her eyes and one ear.

Ouch! {turnwife} You take good care of her, okay?

551 Spare O'Lake  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 7:14:14am

re: #528 Kenneth

Confirmed: Obama sent letters to Arab heads of state... and they were ignored

Obama's Middle East accomplishments so far:


Heck of a job, Barry!

He's going to Barry himself.

552 justabill  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 7:14:19am

re: #533 turn

Pg 95 Lines 8-18 of the HC Bill - The Government will use groups i.e., ACORN & Americorps to sign up individuals for Government HC plan

No wonder it's going to be so expensive, I just can't imagine how much it must cost to provide health care service for dead people.

It all makes sense now, at the same time the govt official has the periodic meeting to discuss with older patients how much they cost and how they should consider painkillers in place of real treatment, they can register to vote in Chicago. And you all thought government couldn't be efficient.

553 albusteve  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 7:14:39am

the Gates tapes...he's been outed...surprise!


[Link: spectator.org...]

554 The Left  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 7:14:43am

re: #535 Cannadian Club Akbar

I think tanning oil will make you burn. Sun block should be in your future. Use a high SPF.

Yep. Reapply the sunblock every time you get out of the water, and every hour or so.

And if you burn anyway, moisturize, moisturize, moisturize. It won't really help the pain, but it will keep you from peeling.

/very pale person here; obsessive about skin cancer.

555 KenJen  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 7:15:09am

re: #545 KenJen

re: #540 NJDhockeyfan

He is a very sick man.

Didn't stop the post in time. Ignore the rainbow trout stuff.

556 turn  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 7:15:22am

re: #540 NJDhockeyfan

President Obama’s top science adviser said in a book he co-authored in 1973 that a newborn child “will ultimately develop into a human being” if he or she is properly fed and socialized.

Hey NJD, tell me why we need a science adviser to come to this obvious conclusion? Am I missing something about this?

557 midwestgak  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 7:15:25am

re: #547 turn

Tell Mrs. turn we are concerned for her.

558 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 7:15:31am

The Narcissist-in-Chief gave the Chinese a signed basketball.

China's Takeaway From Talks in DC: An Obama-Signed Basketball

ABC News' Kirit Radia and Matt Jaffe report: Secretary of State Hillary Clinton and Treasury Secretary Tim Geithner today wrapped up two days of senior dialogue with Chinese officials – the broadest such discussions in the history of Sino-American relations – by praising the progress they had made on matters as broad as security, economics, energy, and climate change.

Though the main goal this week was simply to launch the dialogue, it would appear that no concrete agreements were reached on any of the myriad topics on the table.

In fact, China’s most tangible take away from the meetings may be the signed basketball they received from President Obama, which one Chinese official raised above his head during the policy-makers’ closing remarks.

I wonder if he also gave them an Ipod loaded with his speeches?

559 Gang of One  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 7:16:05am

re: #548 vxbush

Had a friend in high school who thought baby oil was sun block. Shall we charitable and say she wasn't the brightest light in the closet? She burned so bad she had to go to the hospital for third degree burns. Sheets would peel off her back for weeks.

Ay yi yi. Baby oil ... might as well sit under a magnifying glass. I remember the locals on Icacos Beach walking up and down selling coconut oil in recycled bottled of Salsa Bufalo to the turistas -- that concoction did the same thing.

560 turn  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 7:17:03am

re: #550 vxbush

ok, thanks. I'll let you know tomorrow what the doctor said.

561 vxbush  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 7:17:23am

re: #522 SixDegrees

Actually, you should call the police and fire departments immediately. Blocking off access and the ability to exit is dangerous and is almost certainly a violation of local ordinances.

Thankfully, someone else called the appropriate authorities and is getting more information now. She has registered our concerns and has made it clear that this is affecting not only us but also our customers.

562 reine.de.tout  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 7:17:28am

re: #516 notutopia

Just put this up on my FB page and "tagged" a bunch of people to make sure they see it - also e-mailed a bunch of people. I don't know where you got this (did you put it together yourself?) but it's very important information.

I agree with WahabbiCorridor - people are downdinging for the content, I think, but I did go back up and upding it.

563 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 7:17:46am

re: #554 iceweasel

I have about 25 Aloe plants near my front door. Then again, I wear a long sleeve shirt while mowing yard. And I saw JAWS at age 9, so I don't go into the water at the beach.:)

564 turn  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 7:18:17am

re: #552 justabill

We can only hope this boondoggle gets voted down.

565 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 7:18:23am

re: #556 turn

President Obama’s top science adviser said in a book he co-authored in 1973 that a newborn child “will ultimately develop into a human being” if he or she is properly fed and socialized.

Hey NJD, tell me why we need a science adviser to come to this obvious conclusion? Am I missing something about this?

If you want me to explain decisions by O, I can't help you. I do not have the ability to think that way.

566 [deleted]  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 7:18:41am
567 turn  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 7:19:12am

re: #557 midwestgak

Tell Mrs. turn we are concerned for her.

Thanks so much.

568 vxbush  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 7:19:26am

re: #562 reine.de.tout

Just put this up on my FB page and "tagged" a bunch of people to make sure they see it - also e-mailed a bunch of people. I don't know where you got this (did you put it together yourself?) but it's very important information.

I agree with WahabbiCorridor - people are downdinging for the content, I think, but I did go back up and upding it.

I updinged it because I want it to end up on the top-ten list to get maximum coverage!

569 lincolntf  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 7:19:36am

Well, the Gates thing has been blown off the front page of my (old) local newspaper by yet another Massachusetts staple.
Violent criminal released on a "continued without a finding" after beating his 7 months pregnant girlfriend last month. Her corpse was found in a closet yesterday with the baby removed. He's being questioned.
Bleeding hearts kill people.
MA is for Murder

570 Gang of One  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 7:19:50am

re: #564 turn

We can only hope this boondoggle gets voted down.

Have not been watching the TV, but I was under the impression that the usual suspects in the alfabet media are infomercialing this thing adnauseum. Is this so?

571 [deleted]  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 7:20:25am
572 notutopia  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 7:20:49am

re: #562 reine.de.tout

The info contained in this monstrosity is what is important.
Any synopsis that is credible is worthy of the read.
Thank you Reine for posting it.
: )

573 Sharmuta  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 7:21:35am

re: #554 iceweasel

Yep. Reapply the sunblock every time you get out of the water, and every hour or so.

And if you burn anyway, moisturize, moisturize, moisturize. It won't really help the pain, but it will keep you from peeling.

/very pale person here; obsessive about skin cancer.

Not just at the beach. Sport styled sun screen for non-swimming activities like golf are also important. Lip balm too.

574 Charpete67  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 7:21:35am

Obama at AARP yesterday

"re: #558 NJDhockeyfan

I wonder how you say "dumbass" in Chinese...

575 vxbush  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 7:22:27am

re: #569 lincolntf

Well, the Gates thing has been blown off the front page of my (old) local newspaper by yet another Massachusetts staple.
Violent criminal released on a "continued without a finding" after beating his 7 months pregnant girlfriend last month. Her corpse was found in a closet yesterday with the baby removed. He's being questioned.
Bleeding hearts kill people.
MA is for Murder

Oh. My. That is unthinkable. No words.

576 turn  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 7:22:37am

re: #570 Gang of One

Have not been watching the TV, but I was under the impression that the usual suspects in the alfabet media are infomercialing this thing adnauseum. Is this so?

Surprisingly the TV news I've been watching at night this week seems to still be focused on the Gates story.

577 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 7:22:47am

Whale-Watching Ship Hits, Impales Whale

Vancouver (AP) - It wasn't a pretty sight, but whale watchers on a cruise ship in Canada got more than they bargained for when they arrived at the port of Vancouver -- a dead whale stuck to the bow.

The vessel apparently struck the 70-ton fin whale in the ocean and unknowingly carried it wedged to the bow from Alaskan waters to the Canadian port. The adult whale was an estimated 70 feet (21 meters) long.

The Princess Cruise Lines' Sapphire Princess was docked at the Canada Place terminal Saturday with the whale stuck to it.

578 vxbush  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 7:23:14am

Argh. Darn it, work has to be done. Later.

579 songbird  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 7:23:39am

re: #516 notutopia

Thanks for posting this list. I reposted the comments on my blog with gratitude to you.

580 turn  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 7:23:44am

re: #578 vxbush

Argh. Darn it, work has to be done. Later.

Same here, bbl

581 Gang of One  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 7:24:03am

re: #576 turn

Surprisingly the TV news I've been watching at night this week seems to still be focused on the Gates story.

The 'look!-a-shiny-thing!' ploy?

582 bloodnok  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 7:25:03am

re: #573 Sharmuta

Not just at the beach. Sport styled sun screen for non-swimming activities like golf are also important. Lip balm too.

I got a sunburn just walking around this weekend (ver fair skinned as well). I am wearing a green shirt today and look like an X-mas decoration.

583 songbird  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 7:25:13am

re: #540 NJDhockeyfan

So Holdren thinks babies are not human beings?

584 KenJen  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 7:25:13am

re: #558 NJDhockeyfan

The Narcissist-in-Chief gave the Chinese a signed basketball.

China's Takeaway From Talks in DC: An Obama-Signed Basketball

Would be funny if it shows up on Ebay.

585 albusteve  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 7:25:29am

Chigago gangsters on their summer rampage...more running gunfights etc

[Link: cbs2chicago.com...]

586 calcajun  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 7:25:47am

re: #577 NJDhockeyfan

Whale-Watching Ship Hits, Impales Whale

"Today, we have a treat for you sushi lovers. In the Sea View Lounge, Chef Lars has prepared..."

587 BlueCanuck  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 7:26:29am

re: #577 NJDhockeyfan

Whale-Watching Ship Hits, Impales Whale

Irony...

588 JCM  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 7:26:40am

Key Republican says on "edge" of US healthcare deal

Republican and Democratic senators negotiating financial details of healthcare reform have made great progress and are on the verge of a deal, a key Republican senator said on Wednesday.

"We have made great progress. Every day we make some progress," Senator Charles Grassley, one of the three Republicans from Senate Finance Committee involved in the talks to overhaul the healthcare system, told NPR radio.

Thanks for nuthin'.

US Government spending as percent of GDP, 32%.
Health Care spending as percent of GDP. 17%

Medicare deficit and funded mandates, $28 Trillion.
Total government obligations, unfunded mandates and deficits, $64 Trillion.
US annual GDP $14 Trillion.

Why is giving half the entire economy to a government that has dug a $64 Trillion hole ($214,000 for every man, woman and child in the US) a good idea?

589 sattv4u2  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 7:26:41am

re: #581 Gang of One

The 'look!-a-shiny-thing!' ploy?

The angle now is that Gates and the cop are actually REALTED!

[Link: abcnews.go.com...]

Strangely enough, he and the Cambridge, Mass., police officer who arrested him, Sgt. James Crowley, both trace their ancestry back to the legendary Niall of the Nine Hostages.

590 sattv4u2  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 7:27:26am

re: #589 sattv4u2

RELATED ,,, not REALTED!!

PIMF

591 JCM  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 7:27:37am

re: #577 NJDhockeyfan

Whale-Watching Ship Hits, Impales Whale

Meats back on the menu boys!

*I'm bad, very, very bad*

592 sattv4u2  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 7:28:14am

re: #591 JCM

Meats back on the menu boys!

*I'm bad, very, very bad*

"Lucy ,,, You got some SPLAININ to dooo!!!""

593 Gang of One  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 7:28:15am

re: #589 sattv4u2

The angle now is that Gates and the cop are actually REALTED!

[Link: abcnews.go.com...]

Strangely enough, he and the Cambridge, Mass., police officer who arrested him, Sgt. James Crowley, both trace their ancestry back to the legendary Niall of the Nine Hostages.

Somewhere in the past aren't we all related?

594 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 7:28:35am

WOW...what a video.

Noah Logue Asks Dem Officials: Will Handicapped People Like Me Get Medical Services Under Obamacare?

This is powerful. Noah Logue is a deaf student at a local special needs college in St. Louis. Noah currently is able to afford the equipment necessary for him to communicate and lead an independent life. Under Obamacare Noah may not qualify since he is special needs citizen. Noah asked Dem operatives if he is going to be punished under Obamacare.

Youtube Video
595 Kenneth  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 7:28:43am

It has been reported that the man arrested in North Carolinaon charges of recruiting jihadis, Daniel Boyd, once fought the Soviets in Afghanistan, "with the backing of the US", as Boyd himself claims.

Authorities believe Boyd's roots in terrorism run deep. When he was in Pakistan and Afghanistan from 1989 through 1992, he had military-style training in terrorist camps and fought the Soviets, who were ending their occupation of Afghanistan, according to the indictment.

There is a problem with that claim:

Boyd is 39 years old today. The Soviet-Afghan War ended in February 1989, when Boyd would have been no older that 19. The report claims he fought the Soviets from 1989 to 1992. But the last Russian troops withdrew from Afghanistan in February 1989.

The story just doesn't add up.

596 sattv4u2  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 7:28:44am

re: #593 Gang of One

Somewhere in the past aren't we all related?

I'll ask Bonzo the Chimp

597 The Left  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 7:28:51am

re: #589 sattv4u2

The angle now is that Gates and the cop are actually REALTED!

[Link: abcnews.go.com...]

Strangely enough, he and the Cambridge, Mass., police officer who arrested him, Sgt. James Crowley, both trace their ancestry back to the legendary Niall of the Nine Hostages.

I just saw that! Isn't it weird?

598 wahabicorridor  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 7:29:21am

re: #565 NJDhockeyfan

If you want me to explain decisions by O, I can't help you. I do not have the ability to think that way lie my ass off.

599 JCM  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 7:29:48am

re: #593 Gang of One

Somewhere in the past aren't we all related?

But, but, I'm SPECIAL!

//

600 sattv4u2  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 7:30:21am

re: #597 iceweasel

I just saw that! Isn't it weird?

Not weird at all. It's an attempt to show that Gates could NOT be prejudice or a racist because, well hell, he has WHITE roots just then The 0ne!!

601 Gang of One  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 7:30:25am

re: #596 sattv4u2

I'll ask Bonzo the Chimp

Who went and checked their genealogies? Just sounds a bit coincidental to me. What do you think?

602 calcajun  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 7:30:26am

re: #590 sattv4u2

RELATED ,,, not REALTED!!

PIMF

"Gee, my ancestors owned your ancestors," is NOT the way to break to ice in a conversation about race./

603 Sharmuta  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 7:30:35am

re: #582 bloodnok

I got a sunburn just walking around this weekend (ver fair skinned as well). I am wearing a green shirt today and look like an X-mas decoration.

I wonder if there is some sort of quasi-sexist perception that only women are supposed to consider sun exposure? Men should care about their skin too, and it's not "girly" to use a facial moisturizer with SPF designed for men's use. I'm not that bad- I can go out for short spells in the sun and not get burned, but more than a couple hours and I get pink. But I use my SPF 15 facial moisturizer every day- and we all should regardless of gender.

So because I luvs ya- get some sunscreen.

604 sattv4u2  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 7:30:57am

re: #601 Gang of One

Who went and checked their genealogies? Just sounds a bit coincidental to me. What do you think?

see my 600

605 wahabicorridor  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 7:31:04am

re: #583 songbird

So Holdren thinks babies are not human beings?

Apparently not until they can vote.

606 quickjustice  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 7:31:09am

Hey, President Obama is having a beer with Crowley and Gates tomorrow at the White House! And Gates is Crowley's long-lost cousin! Who wudda thunk it? Next to this, all that "breaking and entering" and "white cops are stupid" stuff just pales in comparison. This is one big family reunion! ;-)

607 SixDegrees  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 7:31:13am

re: #573 Sharmuta

Not just at the beach. Sport styled sun screen for non-swimming activities like golf are also important. Lip balm too.

As someone who burns when looking at photographs of the sun, I'll add three words:

Wide.

Brimmed.

Hats.

Not always feasible, of course. But when they are, they're invaluable.

You still need to use sunblock, though. I've gotten my face burned by sunlight reflected from surrounding buildings, despite sitting in deep shade.

608 calcajun  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 7:31:20am

re: #593 Gang of One

Somewhere in the past aren't we all related?

And in some areas of Georgia, it's not that long ago,///

609 lincolntf  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 7:31:40am

re: #593 Gang of One

"both trace their ancestry back to the legendary Niall of the Nine Hostages. "

"Who were the Hostages, and why isn't Crowley willing to pay reparations to their descendants?...Next on NPR..."

610 John Neverbend  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 7:31:45am

re: #73 zombie

I nominate Eros to be Science Czar!

I second that.

"Then the hydrogen bomb, where you actually explode the air itself." I think Edward Teller missed that, when he designed the mechanism.

611 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 7:31:58am

Rasmussen's Presidential Approval Index has Zero back in negative double digits.

612 quickjustice  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 7:32:09am

re: #583 songbird

Babies are human beings. It's when that first hormone surge hits in their early teens that they turn sub-human.

613 KenJen  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 7:32:10am

re: #601 Gang of One

Who went and checked their genealogies? Just sounds a bit coincidental to me. What do you think?

Maybe they could have blood tests done and reveal the results on the Maury Povich show.

614 Sharmuta  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 7:32:13am

re: #597 iceweasel

I just saw that! Isn't it weird?

Go back far enough and lots of folks are related. IIRC- both Clinton and Dole were related to Princess Diana.

615 Gang of One  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 7:32:24am

re: #604 sattv4u2

see my 600

Missed that. I think you're spot on.

616 Sheila Broflovski  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 7:32:30am

re: #591 JCM

Meats back on the menu boys!

*I'm bad, very, very bad*

Those whales, they're sex fiends. To a whale, a cruise ship is just a booty call!

617 The Left  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 7:33:07am

re: #614 Sharmuta

Go back far enough and lots of folks are related. IIRC- both Clinton and Dole were related to Princess Diana.

I know, it's still amusing.

Obama and Cheney are related too.

618 FrogMarch  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 7:33:18am

re: #588 JCM

Key Republican says on "edge" of US healthcare deal

Republican and Democratic senators negotiating financial details of healthcare reform have made great progress and are on the verge of a deal, a key Republican senator said on Wednesday.

"We have made great progress. Every day we make some progress," Senator Charles Grassley, one of the three Republicans from Senate Finance Committee involved in the talks to overhaul the healthcare system, told NPR radio.




Charles Grassley(R) - is going to sell us down the river.

Related:

Grassley is correct, and conservatives are right to oppose Pres. Barack Obama’s proposal to create a “Fannie Med.” But when it comes to nationalizing health insurance, there is more than one way to skin the patient. Indeed, there is talk on Capitol Hill that Grassley and other Senate Republicans may be close to a deal that would nationalize health care smack dab in the middle of the private sector. For an example of how that can be done, look to Massachusetts.

If the Republicans won't fight for us - and they can win by saying "NO" btw - they we really are screwed.

619 Kenneth  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 7:34:30am

re: #543 Spare O'Lake

More like an apologizer for Hitler.

Scissors Beat Paper

620 quickjustice  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 7:34:32am

re: #613 KenJen

The "dirty" little secret of African-Americans is that 99% of them have white blood. That's something white southerners fought hard to conceal because of its implications.

621 FrogMarch  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 7:35:04am

re: #618 FrogMarch

PIMF correction:
If the Republicans won't fight for us - and they can win by saying "NO" btw - then we really are screwed.

622 The Left  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 7:35:21am

re: #618 FrogMarch

Charles Grassley(R) - is going to sell us down the river.

Related:

Grassley is correct, and conservatives are right to oppose Pres. Barack Obama’s proposal to create a “Fannie Med.” But when it comes to nationalizing health insurance, there is more than one way to skin the patient. Indeed, there is talk on Capitol Hill that Grassley and other Senate Republicans may be close to a deal that would nationalize health care smack dab in the middle of the private sector. For an example of how that can be done, look to Massachusetts.

If the Republicans won't fight for us - and they can win by saying "NO" btw - they we really are screwed.

BTW, given the talk about throwing out the public option and the employer mandate, this morning's news from the progressive sphere is that it might be better to completely kill the health care bill rather than pass the mess that's being put together.

Just thought folks would like to know that.

623 Sharmuta  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 7:35:43am

re: #607 SixDegrees

As someone who burns when looking at photographs of the sun, I'll add three words:

Wide.

Brimmed.

Hats.

Not always feasible, of course. But when they are, they're invaluable.

You still need to use sunblock, though. I've gotten my face burned by sunlight reflected from surrounding buildings, despite sitting in deep shade.

I use SPF moisturizer daily. Men need to start using daily moisturizers with SPFs. It's not "girly", it's smart.

Also- this isn't just in summer. Winter can be bad as well because of snow reflecting sunlight.

624 calcajun  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 7:36:09am

re: #620 quickjustice

They way that got that white blood is, in many instances, shameful to both sides.

625 The Left  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 7:36:17am

re: #623 Sharmuta

I use SPF moisturizer daily. Men need to start using daily moisturizers with SPFs. It's not "girly", it's smart.

Also- this isn't just in summer. Winter can be bad as well because of snow reflecting sunlight.

Absolutely. I've gotten sunburns from skiing.

626 reine.de.tout  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 7:36:27am

re: #623 Sharmuta

I use SPF moisturizer daily. Men need to start using daily moisturizers with SPFs. It's not "girly", it's smart.

Also- this isn't just in summer. Winter can be bad as well because of snow reflecting sunlight.

"Snow"?
What is this "snow"?

627 songbird  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 7:37:04am

re: #612 quickjustice

Babies are human beings. It's when that first hormone surge hits in their early teens that they turn sub-human.

I've always said that 13 year old girls and 14 year old boys are NOT human!

More human than human!

Youtube Video
628 lincolntf  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 7:37:15am

re: #611 NJDhockeyfan

The numbers look pretty ugly for Obama right now, but they're not quite at critical mass yet. If he has another week like the last one, this slide could turn into a headlong tumble down the polls. At the very least, we know the honeymoon (among the public, not the press) is officially over.

629 CynicalConservative  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 7:37:31am

re: #626 reine.de.tout

"Snow"?
What is this "snow"?

Snow has been outlawed due to AGW. That is all.

630 Sharmuta  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 7:37:32am

re: #626 reine.de.tout

"Snow"?
What is this "snow"?

It's that stuff that knocks out your power down there when you get trace amounts. ;p

631 calcajun  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 7:38:12am

re: #626 reine.de.tout

"Snow"?
What is this "snow"?

Something ya not gonna hafta worry 'bout, cher.

632 FrogMarch  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 7:38:37am

Contact this pin-head and tell him his Government run Health Care scheme is not what we want.

[Link: grassley.senate.gov...]

633 sattv4u2  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 7:39:04am

re: #626 reine.de.tout

"Snow"?
What is this "snow"?

You know,,, it's that stuff that accumulates up to an 1/8th of an inch every 4 years or so and closes down Atlanta for a week!

634 calcajun  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 7:39:26am

bbl

635 wahabicorridor  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 7:39:27am

re: #622 iceweasel

news from the progressive sphere is that it might be better to completely kill the health care bill rather than pass the mess that's being put together.

Did you catch Matt Taibbi's complete meltdown?

The reason a real health-care bill is not going to get passed is simple: because nobody in Washington really wants it. There is insufficient political will to get it done. It doesn’t matter that it’s an urgent national calamity, that it is plainly obvious to anyone with an IQ over 8 that our system could not possibly be worse and needs to be fixed very soon, and that, moreover, the only people opposing a real reform bill are a pitifully small number of executives in the insurance industry who stand to lose the chance for a fifth summer house if this thing passes.

636 avanti  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 7:39:45am

Morning Lizards, hope everyone is well. BTW, I am not a semi expert on the cash for clunkers deal. I scrapped my 94 Ford PU, and walked a friend through on a 87 Oldsmobile.

637 sattv4u2  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 7:40:12am

ATTENTION:

DUE TO GLOBAL WARMING,, SNOW WILL BE TAXED ON A PER INCH BASIS

Al Gore

638 FrogMarch  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 7:40:41am

re: #632 FrogMarch

Contact this pin-head and tell him his Government run Health Care scheme is not what we want.

[Link: grassley.senate.gov...]

Contact form has phone & fax numbers.
[Link: grassley.senate.gov...]

639 redstateredneck  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 7:40:42am

re: #631 calcajun

Something ya not gonna hafta worry 'bout, cher.

It happens.

640 albusteve  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 7:40:47am

re: #625 iceweasel

Absolutely. I've gotten sunburns from skiing.

which will look utterly ridiculous when you've been wearing goggles all day...a serious 'raccoon' effect...been there

641 justabill  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 7:40:52am

re: #616 Alouette

Those whales, they're sex fiends. To a whale, a cruise ship is just a booty call!

Thar she blows./

642 bloodnok  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 7:41:08am

re: #626 reine.de.tout

"Snow"?
What is this "snow"?

It makes people drive really slowly and also gets in your ears when the wind blows.

643 lincolntf  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 7:41:46am

re: #635 wahabicorridor

"...that our system could not possibly be worse... "

Yeah, with 90% insured and the best outcomes in the world, we're really behind the 8-ball, Zippy.

644 FrogMarch  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 7:41:55am

re: #622 iceweasel

BTW, given the talk about throwing out the public option and the employer mandate, this morning's news from the progressive sphere is that it might be better to completely kill the health care bill rather than pass the mess that's being put together.

Just thought folks would like to know that.

OK. The proggies are upset because they want the most left-wing solution possible. They should be happy - a Republican is going to give it to them, through the back door.

645 The Left  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 7:42:17am

I couldn't disagree more with Taibbi on some of his analysis in this post, but he gets this exactly right:


The Health Care Bill Dies

The reason a real health-care bill is not going to get passed is simple: because nobody in Washington really wants it. There is insufficient political will to get it done.
(snip)

It won’t get done, because that’s not the way our government works. Our government doesn’t exist to protect voters from interests, it exists to protect interests from voters. The situation we have here is an angry and desperate population that at long last has voted in a majority that it believes should be able to pass a health care bill. It expects something to be done. The task of the lawmakers on the Hill, at least as they see things, is to create the appearance of having done something. And that’s what they’re doing. Personally, I think they’re doing a lousy job even of that. I lauded Roddick for playing out the string with heart, and giving a good show. But these Democrats aren’t even pretending to give a shit, not really. I mean, they’re not even willing to give up their vacations.

646 quickjustice  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 7:42:18am

re: #624 calcajun

Fisk University in Nashville, traditionally black, was founded by a wealthy white planter with illegitimate mixed race children he wanted to educate.

It's now most famous for the Stieglitz collection, which it is trying to sell off.

647 [deleted]  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 7:42:23am
648 SasquatchOnSteroids  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 7:42:27am

re: #641 justabill

Thar she blows./

1st mate : Was that a Sperm whale ?

Capt : Apparently.

649 lincolntf  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 7:43:41am

re: #645 iceweasel

"Our government doesn’t exist to protect voters from interests, it exists to protect interests from voters."

Eh?

650 songbird  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 7:43:42am

re: #637 sattv4u2

ATTENTION:

DUE TO GLOBAL WARMING,, SNOW WILL BE TAXED ON A PER INCH BASIS

Al Gore

But who will pay?
Those upon whom the snow falls?

And therefore never send to know for whom the bell tolls snow falls; It tolls falls for thee. ...

Apologies to Earnest Hemingway

651 reine.de.tout  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 7:44:28am

re: #630 Sharmuta

re: #631 calcajun

We actually had a sneaux day before Christmas last year.

and yes, everything shut down.

652 avanti  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 7:44:54am

re: #645 iceweasel

I couldn't disagree more with Taibbi on some of his analysis in this post, but he gets this exactly right:


The Health Care Bill Dies

Personally, I like to see a limited bill pass, work the kinks out and come back to it later.

653 redstateredneck  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 7:45:25am

re: #651 reine.de.tout

re: #631 calcajun

We actually had a sneaux day before Christmas last year.

and yes, everything shut down.


I was so disappointed that you got it and we didn't.

654 Spenser (with an S)  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 7:45:41am

Daniel Hannan was on Hannity last week and his explanation about how the UK ended up in their mess made perfect sense. They were exiting a devastating war, the were used to rationing, they were used to the govt. having a huge part of their lives in the form of the armed forces, they couldn't rebuild their bombed cities without the govt., obviously. Plus, they had many injured servicemen getting govt. health care already. Game over.

655 Ojoe  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 7:45:54am

Ordinary Towercam Dawn.

BBL

656 Kenneth  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 7:46:13am

re: #650 songbird

But who will pay?
Those upon whom the snow falls?

And therefore never send to know for whom the bell tolls snow falls; It tolls falls for thee. ...

Apologies to Earnest Hemingway

You mean, apologies to John Donne

No man is an island,
Entire of itself.
Each is a piece of the continent,
A part of the main.
If a clod be washed away by the sea,
Europe is the less.
As well as if a promontory were.
As well as if a manner of thine own
Or of thine friend's were.
Each man's death diminishes me,
For I am involved in mankind.
Therefore, send not to know
For whom the bell tolls,
It tolls for thee.

657 SasquatchOnSteroids  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 7:46:21am

re: #649 lincolntf

"Our government doesn’t exist to protect voters from interests, it exists to protect interests from voters."

Eh?

I'm with you.

658 sattv4u2  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 7:46:24am

re: #652 avanti

Personally, I like to see a limited bill pass, work the kinks out and come back to it later.

foolish

Pass a flawed bill THEN fix it while it's in play.

What could POSSIBLY go wrong?

Mind boggling foolishness!

659 reine.de.tout  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 7:46:38am

re: #653 redstateredneck

I was so disappointed that you got it and we didn't.

It was wonderful. First time in, I don't know, 10 or 12 years.

660 The Left  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 7:46:58am

re: #644 FrogMarch

OK. The proggies are upset because they want the most left-wing solution possible. They should be happy - a Republican is going to give it to them, through the back door.

No, that isn't what's happening. What's so far limping through committee is worse than no change at all.

It would remove a public option.
It would kill the employer mandate.

It will penalise people without insurance who don't buy a plan.

So what we'd have is a situation where the insurance companies get new customers and the uninsured will still go without insurance because paying the penalties remains more affordable than buying a plan.

The rich will get richer, and the uninsured will still suffer. That's why this morning's thinking is that it's better to kill the bill entirely, because this is no kind of reform.

661 John Neverbend  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 7:47:52am

Here's some "cheery" news on Iran from the WSJ opinion section.

It's Crunch Time for Israel on Iran

662 quickjustice  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 7:48:32am

The philosophical divide on health care insurance is fundamental: Do you want to keep the veterinary system we have now, in which your employer or your government tells you what coverage it's willing to pay for (the shift Obama proposes is from employer-based to government-based, without eliminating the veterinary nature of the system), or do you want to choose and control your own health care, which is the system the GOP was moving toward with HSAs and high deductible insurance plans?

The current health care system is veterinary, because in a veterinary system, the pet's owner decides how much he/she wants to spend on health care for the pet.

663 The Left  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 7:48:53am

re: #649 lincolntf

"Our government doesn’t exist to protect voters from interests, it exists to protect interests from voters."

Eh?

Politicians on both sides of the aisle serve the interests of the economic elites: corporations, lobbyists, corporate donors.

664 songbird  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 7:48:54am

re: #656 Kenneth

Thank you for the correction!!!

665 Sharmuta  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 7:48:55am

re: #651 reine.de.tout

re: #631 calcajun

We actually had a sneaux day before Christmas last year.

and yes, everything shut down.

I remember when my Auntie lived in California for a few years, there was a winter they got snow in Malibu- trace amounts, maybe an inch. She told me she was glad they had a gas stove so she could still cook- she had to do it by flashlight.

We Yankees laugh at stories like these- not nice, but true.

666 wahabicorridor  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 7:49:02am

re: #645 iceweasel

Oh, bullshit. Guess what. My husband is a lobbyist who lobbies for the 'interests' of his clients.

Who happen to be farmers.

All citizens have 'interests' and we have the right to form associations and petition our gov't by whatever legal means available.

So fuck off.

667 kansas  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 7:49:45am

Krugman has an editorial in the local liberal rag. Says Obama has an "impressive" command of the facts regarding health care? He doesn't mention tort reform, or patient responsibility, but how can any serious health care reform that wants to control costs not address the costs of lawsuits and the fact that people are out of control? 200,000 for malpractice insurance for a neurosurgeon, somewhere near that for an OB/GYN doc, and when something happens a kazillion dollar reward and another John Edwards created so Larry the Lawyer never has to work again, which of course would be a good thing, but I digress. So now, the public going to pay for this, and according to Mr. Impressive, it will be the docs fault when fat people continue to wolf down twinkies, and double cheeseburgers.

New patient script:
Office:Doctor Roboto's office.
Patient:I need an appointment. I don't feel well.
Office: How tall are you.
Patient: 5 ft 3
Office:What do you weigh?
Patient: 320
Office: Hold on let me check. Right, Dr. Roboto will be able to see you in 4 years, would you like to make an appointment?

668 The Left  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 7:51:11am

re: #652 avanti

Personally, I like to see a limited bill pass, work the kinks out and come back to it later.

Not me. What makes you think they'd come back to it? Hell no. They wouldn't.

But let's see what changes are made while it works its way through Congress. Who knows what we'll get at the end. I'm not feeling very optimistic though.

669 avanti  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 7:51:20am

re: #658 sattv4u2

foolish

Pass a flawed bill THEN fix it while it's in play.

What could POSSIBLY go wrong?

Mind boggling foolishness!

I'm not suggesting a flawed bill, just a bill that does not try to do everything at once. Perhaps a bill without a public option, or not trying do a 100% overhaul at one time.

670 Sharmuta  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 7:52:00am

re: #666 wahabicorridor

No need to get nasty.

671 The Left  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 7:52:02am

re: #666 wahabicorridor

Oh, bullshit. Guess what. My husband is a lobbyist who lobbies for the 'interests' of his clients.

Who happen to be farmers.

All citizens have 'interests' and we have the right to form associations and petition our gov't by whatever legal means available.

So fuck off.

You're cranky this morning.

672 Kenneth  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 7:52:04am

re: #664 songbird

Hemingway took the last line of that poem for the title for his book, For Whom the Bell Tolls, about the Spanish Civil War.

673 calcajun  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 7:52:05am

re: #639 redstateredneck

I still can count on the fingers of one hand the number of times it has snowed and stuck in NOLA in my lifetime

674 FrogMarch  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 7:52:38am

re: #660 iceweasel

No, that isn't what's happening. What's so far limping through committee is worse than no change at all.

It would remove a public option.
It would kill the employer mandate.

It will penalise people without insurance who don't buy a plan.

So what we'd have is a situation where the insurance companies get new customers and the uninsured will still go without insurance because paying the penalties remains more affordable than buying a plan.

The rich will get richer, and the uninsured will still suffer. That's why this morning's thinking is that it's better to kill the bill entirely, because this is no kind of reform.

It would remove a public option.
It would kill the employer mandate.

Those are good things.

As for the rest - the whole idea that the government can control costs is a pipe dream. We need less government intrusion and more free market competition to bring down costs and improve access. We need "Markets Not Mandates"
While congressional reform efforts screech and shudder along, let's take a moment to dream: What would real reform look like? It would be consumer driven, transparent, and competitive.

675 SasquatchOnSteroids  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 7:53:11am

re: #661 John Neverbend

Here's some "cheery" news on Iran from the WSJ opinion section.

It's Crunch Time for Israel on Iran

There’s no reason Iran would suddenly now bow to Mr. Obama’s diplomatic efforts, especially after its embarrassing election in June. So with diplomacy out the door, how will Iran be tamed?

Indeed.

676 Kenneth  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 7:53:15am

ObamaCare Poster:

Patriotic Americans Know When to Die.

677 wahabicorridor  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 7:53:18am

smoke break

678 redstateredneck  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 7:53:19am

re: #659 reine.de.tout

It was wonderful. First time in, I don't know, 10 or 12 years.

We got a little on a Saturday morning in January, '08.

679 sattv4u2  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 7:53:36am

re: #670 Sharmuta

No need to get nasty.

he had me right up to the "f" part!

680 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 7:53:43am

re: #666 wahabicorridor

I'd ding if it wasn't for the little ugly monster that showed up at the end there. You're right, it's legal, and it is what it is.

681 wahabicorridor  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 7:54:13am

re: #670 Sharmuta

No need to get nasty.

I'm not nast - I don't 'do' stupid

682 albusteve  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 7:54:14am

re: #669 avanti

I'm not suggesting a flawed bill, just a bill that does not try to do everything at once. Perhaps a bill without a public option, or not trying do a 100% overhaul at one time.

well yes then...a conservative minded approach...got it

683 ArchangelMichael  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 7:54:18am

re: #652 avanti

Personally, I like to see a limited bill pass, work the kinks out and come back to it later.

"A bad bill is better than no bill" gets us into trouble. It's not the job of Congress to "just pass something!"

684 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 7:54:38am

re: #681 wahabicorridor

Go have a smoke, c'mon back!

685 redstateredneck  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 7:55:24am

re: #673 calcajun

I still can count on the fingers of one hand the number of times it has snowed and stuck in NOLA in my lifetime

But when it does, it's like a holiday!

686 avanti  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 7:55:47am

re: #682 albusteve

well yes then...a conservative minded approach...got it

Actually, yes.

687 Sheila Broflovski  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 7:55:48am

re: #647 buzzsawmonkey

A mixture of chocolate syrup and seltzer (salt-free carbonated water), without additions or thickeners, is called a chocolate phosphate.

I remember those! Damn, I'm older than dirt.

688 [deleted]  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 7:55:50am
689 lincolntf  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 7:55:50am

re: #663 iceweasel

By far, the most insidious and oppressive "interest group" effecting my life is the Government.

690 Bloodnok  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 7:56:02am

re: #666 wahabicorridor

Classy.

/

691 sattv4u2  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 7:56:02am

re: #669 avanti

I'm not suggesting a flawed bill

Yes you did !!

I like to see a limited bill pass, work the kinks out

Unless you consider KINKS a GOOD thing!

692 FrogMarch  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 7:56:20am

re: #683 ArchangelMichael

"A bad bill is better than no bill" gets us into trouble. It's not the job of Congress to "just pass something!"

Shades of Stimulus.
Thank you.

693 quickjustice  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 7:56:33am

re: #667 kansas

"Blame the doctors" for rising costs is not an impressive command of health care issues. This entire debate is cost-driven, because the current hybrid government-controlled and employer-controlled system is bankrupt.

We should dump it over the side, and replace it with an HSA/ high-deductible system for individuals that is completely portable and patient-controlled.

One more thing: we should be debating how to drive dramatic quality improvement in health care, which will drive down costs and improve quality of life for patients. We're not. Obama wants to get costs down. Period. That means rationing.

The government should be pouring billions into converting genome research into clinical treatments. One you can treat patients based upon their genetic profile, you can improve outcomes at a fraction of the current costs. That means a lot of money upfront for a dramatic improvement in quality plus cost reductions in future.

694 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 7:56:45am

Police use Taser on deaf, disabled Alabama man

MOBILE, Alabama (AP) — Police in Mobile, Ala., used pepper spray and a Taser on a deaf, mentally disabled man who they said wouldn't leave a store's bathroom.

The family of 37-year-old Antonio Love has filed a formal complaint over the incident on Friday.

Police tell the Press-Register of Mobile that officers shot pepper spray under the bathroom door after knocking several times. After forcing the door open, they used the stun gun on Love.

Police spokesman Christopher Levy says police didn't realize Love had a hearing impairment until after he was out of the bathroom. The officers' conduct is under investigation.

The newspaper says the officers attempted to book Love on charges including disorderly conduct, but a magistrate on duty wouldn't accept the charges.

695 kansas  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 7:56:57am

re: #683 ArchangelMichael

"A bad bill is better than no bill" gets us into trouble. It's not the job of Congress to "just pass something!"

It seems to be exactly the job of congress to just pass something, anything, as long as it screws the other party and the people./

696 albusteve  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 7:57:18am

re: #683 ArchangelMichael

"A bad bill is better than no bill" gets us into trouble. It's not the job of Congress to "just pass something!"

quite right...look at the record from 06 til 09...congress sat on it's ass while their confidence numbers crashed to single digit...all the while blaming Bush for this and that...what's changed?

697 calcajun  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 7:58:19am

re: #685 redstateredneck

But when it does, it's like a holiday!

More like "Morons on Ice"-- no one knows how to deal with an icy road. Terror is going across the Huey P in icy conditions with a 18-wheeler in the next lane.

698 ArchangelMichael  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 7:58:21am

re: #692 FrogMarch

Shades of Stimulus.
Thank you.

Medicare Prescription Drug Program
TARP
Stimulus
Amnesty Comprehensive Immigration Reform
And on and on...

699 quickjustice  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 7:58:41am

re: #694 NJDhockeyfan

" A policeman's lot is not a happy one."

700 calcajun  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 7:59:27am

time to go to work.

bbl

701 redstateredneck  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 7:59:49am

re: #697 calcajun

More like "Morons on Ice"-- no one knows how to deal with an icy road. Terror is going across the Huey P in icy conditions with a 18-wheeler in the next lane.

No kidding. I work for a trucking company. We tell them to shut them down if it starts getting icy.

702 reine.de.tout  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 8:02:04am

re: #697 calcajun

More like "Morons on Ice"-- no one knows how to deal with an icy road. Terror is going across the Huey P in icy conditions with a 18-wheeler in the next lane.

I will not cross that bridge without straddling the lanes, even in the best of weather.
It's the only way I'll drive across.

703 wahabicorridor  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 8:02:54am

re: #688 buzzsawmonkey

by this time Hemingway was thoroughly in the Communist camp, and a total apologist for Stalin.

Srsly?

I never liked Hemingway's stuff, so never learned much about him. (Never liked Fitzerald either)

704 albusteve  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 8:03:34am

re: #702 reine.de.tout

I will not cross that bridge without straddling the lanes, even in the best of weather.
It's the only way I'll drive across.

I grew up driving in snow and ice...no big deal...fear is what gets people in trouble

705 yochanan  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 8:04:19am

re: #569 lincolntf

UNTIL THE ZERO OPENED HIS MOUTH
the gates story was small potatoes the zero made it a real story

now this foolish bleeding hearts story is real news.

706 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 8:04:23am

re: #704 albusteve

I grew up driving in snow and ice...no big deal...fear is what gets people in trouble

Right! Well, fear... and other drivers.

707 avanti  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 8:04:51am

re: #691 sattv4u2

I'm not suggesting a flawed bill

Yes you did !!

I like to see a limited bill pass, work the kinks out

Unless you consider KINKS a GOOD thing!

I doubt any bill will be perfect without some real world tweaking once it's in effect.

708 albusteve  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 8:05:20am

re: #705 yochanan

UNTIL THE ZERO OPENED HIS MOUTH
the gates story was small potatoes the zero made it a real story

now this foolish bleeding hearts story is real news.

and the tapes are out...woops!

709 Kenneth  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 8:06:23am

re: #688 buzzsawmonkey

Have you read Eyeless in Gaza, by Aldous Huxley? It's partly about the pacifist movement in Britain in the 1930's. Huxley meant to praise them, but given the book was published in 1936, and everyone of the pacifist assumptions were soon destroyed by Hitler, Mussolini and Stalin, the book became an unintentional satire.

710 midwestgak  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 8:06:57am

re: #681 wahabicorridor

I'm not nast

Reminds me of a quote from Mel Brook's movie High Anxiety.

Nece? Don't tell me what's nece!

711 reine.de.tout  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 8:07:08am

re: #704 albusteve

I grew up driving in snow and ice...no big deal...fear is what gets people in trouble

Well, I don't disagree, but also lack of experience driving in those conditions plays a part, plus the fact we don't have the equipment necessary to clear the roads.

the particular bridge we're talking about - the lanes are so narrow, if a truck passes you, there's only like 2 inches of clearance. It's probably more, but that's what it seems like.

also, the bridge was built in two sections, each starting from one side of the river. when they got to the center, they realized they were off by several feet, and so in the middle of the bridge, there's this weird angle in it so that the 2 sides could meet up.

712 songbird  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 8:08:09am

re: #704 albusteve

I grew up driving in snow and ice...no big deal...fear is what gets people in trouble

I'm not afraid of driving in snow and ice. I'm more afraid of the folks scared of the snow and ice.

713 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 8:09:26am

re: #711 reine.de.tout

I highly recommend that you do not drive up Pike's Peak.

Road is 30 yards wide... feels like you're driving on something as wide as 8mm film.

They have races up that sonuvabitch too!

714 midwestgak  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 8:09:58am

re: #704 albusteve

I grew up driving in snow and ice...no big deal...fear is what gets people in trouble

Speed too.

715 Honorary Yooper  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 8:10:43am

re: #712 songbird

I'm not afraid of driving in snow and ice. I'm more afraid of the folks scared of the snow and ice.

Most agreed. If you don't know how to maintain speed in snow and ice on a freeway/tollway at 50-70mph, please get off the fricking road and let the rest of us enjoy our safe journey.

716 [deleted]  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 8:11:05am
717 Kenneth  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 8:11:27am

36 days on strike, 48,900 tonnes of trash, and for what?

Toronto mayor caves in to union.

718 sattv4u2  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 8:11:39am

re: #707 avanti

I doubt any bill will be perfect without some real world tweaking once it's in effect.

No, no bill os ever "perfect", but to pass one with KNOWN flaws is ludicrous

Tweak on a Studebaker all you want. Sell it "as is"! That affects ONE person (the buyer) who knowingly accepts it 'as is"

A bill that affects the nation, NOT SO MUCH!

719 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 8:11:47am

re: #714 midwestgak

Speed too.

Speed differential. The car going 25mph hits the car going 0mph (Looks like oomph!, perhaps that is the sound) because the 0mph guy freaked out 'cause he skidded a little.

720 [deleted]  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 8:11:49am
721 The Left  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 8:12:20am

re: #707 avanti

I doubt any bill will be perfect without some real world tweaking once it's in effect.

Well, sometimes passing a slightly flawed bill is better than passing none at all, especially when the political will is there to go back and tweak it.

Passing a bad bill is worse than passing none at all though. IMO.

722 Honorary Yooper  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 8:12:25am

re: #714 midwestgak

Speed too.

Yeah, the lack of it. If you can't go at leat 45-50mph on the expressway, please exit and let the rest of us who do know how to drive in such conditions do so.

723 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 8:12:43am

[Link: www.washingtontimes.com...]
Fucking loser...BDS

724 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 8:12:45am

re: #715 Honorary Yooper

If a Yooper doesn't know how to drive in snow and ice, he/she should simply learn to drive a UHaul after the thaw.

725 albusteve  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 8:13:02am

re: #711 reine.de.tout

Well, I don't disagree, but also lack of experience driving in those conditions plays a part, plus the fact we don't have the equipment necessary to clear the roads.

the particular bridge we're talking about - the lanes are so narrow, if a truck passes you, there's only like 2 inches of clearance. It's probably more, but that's what it seems like.

also, the bridge was built in two sections, each starting from one side of the river. when they got to the center, they realized they were off by several feet, and so in the middle of the bridge, there's this weird angle in it so that the 2 sides could meet up.

so easy a caveman could do it

726 acwgusa  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 8:13:24am

re: #718 sattv4u2

No, no bill os ever "perfect", but to pass one with KNOWN flaws is ludicrous

Tweak on a Studebaker all you want. Sell it "as is"! That affects ONE person (the buyer) who knowingly accepts it 'as is"

A bill that affects the nation, NOT SO MUCH!

We here in California have been passing bills with known flaws for years, and look at us we're ok...oh, wait.

727 Bloodnok  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 8:13:54am

re: #718 sattv4u2

No, no bill os ever "perfect", but to pass one with KNOWN flaws is ludicrous

Tweak on a Studebaker all you want. Sell it "as is"! That affects ONE person (the buyer) who knowingly accepts it 'as is"

A bill that affects the nation, NOT SO MUCH!

I think he was referring to working the kinks out before it passes -hence passing a "limited" version post "working out the kinks". The structure may not have been perfect, but I don't think he was suggesting passing the bill as is.

729 Kenneth  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 8:14:16am

re: #720 buzzsawmonkey

It's very good writing, but the smug pacifist naivety makes you shake your head. Don't skip ahead, but you won't believe your eyes when you read the last page.

730 sattv4u2  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 8:14:26am

re: #721 iceweasel

Well, sometimes passing a slightly flawed bill is better than passing none at all, especially when the political will is there to go back and tweak it.

Passing a bad bill is worse than passing none at all though. IMO.

Problem is, you have the order wrong

YOUand Avanti ,,, Write/ Pass/ Tweak

PREFER,,, Write/ Tweak / Pass

731 wahabicorridor  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 8:14:39am

re: #716 buzzsawmonkey

One of the reasons, btw, that Dos Passos today is less well known than he should be is that he became nearly an unperson to the literary establishment due to his swing to the right.


Oh, I believe it. In Dangerous Liasons, about Sartre and Beauvoir there's quite a bit about the 'intellectuals' in Europe and the U.S.

732 Spenser (with an S)  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 8:14:39am

re: #724 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

re: #715 Honorary Yooper

If a Yooper doesn't know how to drive in snow and ice, he/she should simply learn to drive a UHaul after the thaw in august.

733 yochanan  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 8:14:44am

re: #609 lincolntf

well the zero's related to slave owners but isn't related to any slaves so i guess he got to pay reperations to his wife and kiddies.

and then gates is 57% white so i guess he got to pay himself.

734 [deleted]  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 8:14:59am
735 sattv4u2  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 8:15:14am

re: #727 Bloodnok

I think he was referring to working the kinks out before it passes -hence passing a "limited" version post "working out the kinks". The structure may not have been perfect, but I don't think he was suggesting passing the bill as is.

Could bem but thats not how his original post read!

736 midwestgak  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 8:16:08am

re: #730 sattv4u2

Problem is, you have the order wrong

YOUand Avanti ,,, Write/ Pass/ Tweak

PREFER,,, Write/ Tweak / Pass

I prefer... Don't write/Don't tweak/Don't pass.

737 lincolntf  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 8:16:31am

re: #723 Cannadian Club Akbar

Even the most ideologically blinded Obama supporters must realize how weak the "Blame Bush" meme has gotten.
Guess what, Barry? You have your own problems now. And they are BIG, so deal with them, you freakin' wuss.

738 acwgusa  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 8:16:37am

re: #728 Killgore Trout

Koskidz: KKKonservatives hang Democrat in effigy to intimidate his vote on health care
Meh.

That was the headline, on the Daily Kos? I mean, I shouldn't be surprised, I know what a cesspool it is, but Savior on a Segway, that seems damned childish.

739 albusteve  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 8:16:58am

re: #728 Killgore Trout

Koskidz: KKKonservatives hang Democrat in effigy to intimidate his vote on health care
Meh.

reminds me of the Black Panthers in Philly...who's case got tossed...cry me a river

741 sattv4u2  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 8:17:12am

re: #736 midwestgak

I prefer... Don't write/Don't tweak/Don't pass.

I prefer your post

Uppitty Dingitty

742 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 8:17:16am

I wonder what it is like when you are president of the United States, and you...

1) Can't keep your promise to pass a health care reform bill (or what ever it's called today) before the summer recess.

2) You find that almost everything you said about the arrest of your friend Gates, had no basis in truth.

3) Your poll number are going down, down, down and Nate Silver doesn't even get into the debate. "Hey Nate, how come you haven't weighed in on the recent poll numbers?"

4) It crosses your mind that every single dictator that you have tried to make some diplomatic progress with has ignored everything you have said and even your threats have fallen on deaf ears.

5) As you look over the financial state of the nation, it becomes more and more evident that economically things look better, the same way a gambler looks better when he is still flush with borrowed money. As soon as those who benefited by the bailouts and stimulus money spend it all, we will not find much change or process in our financial health.

6) The unemployment rate won't go down no matter how many times you say it's going to get better.

7) And last but not least, after inviting Crowley and Gates to a party at the White House, you are still stressed becuase you have no idea if you open a Budwieser with a "twist" or a bottle opener.

Good luck.

743 Charpete67  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 8:18:38am

re: #742 Walter L. Newton

Just blame Bush...

744 _RememberTonyC  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 8:18:49am

here's a horrifying story about the treatment of detainees in iran following last month's election sham ...

[Link: www.nytimes.com...]

tomorrow is the 40th day since the murder of "Neda," which is an important day of commemoration of martyrs in the muslim religion. expect some action on the streets and pray for the brave souls who will be expressing their outrage.

745 Sharmuta  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 8:18:57am

re: #740 Killgore Trout

OMG!

746 wahabicorridor  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 8:19:02am

re: #734 buzzsawmonkey

BTW, Fitzgerald has his moments--both of beautiful prose and deep insight--and Hemingway, too, his flashes of greatness.

I do not, however, think Hemingway lives up to his billing.

Agreed. But really - I don't and never could give a damn about the people or issues Fitzgerald wrote about and I found Hemingway basically someone who doubted his testosterone level.

D.H. Lawrence, OTH...

747 The Left  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 8:19:04am

re: #730 sattv4u2

Problem is, you have the order wrong

YOUand Avanti ,,, Write/ Pass/ Tweak

PREFER,,, Write/ Tweak / Pass

Problem is, you're wrong to suggest that's what I'm saying about the health care bill...and I suspect you've misinterpreted avanti as well. See Bloodnok's post above.

748 acwgusa  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 8:19:50am

re: #742 Walter L. Newton

I wonder what it is like when you are president of the United States, and you...

1) Can't keep your promise to pass a health care reform bill (or what ever it's called today) before the summer recess.

2) You find that almost everything you said about the arrest of your friend Gates, had no basis in truth.

3) Your poll number are going down, down, down and Nate Silver doesn't even get into the debate. "Hey Nate, how come you haven't weighed in on the recent poll numbers?"

4) It crosses your mind that every single dictator that you have tried to make some diplomatic progress with has ignored everything you have said and even your threats have fallen on deaf ears.

5) As you look over the financial state of the nation, it becomes more and more evident that economically things look better, the same way a gambler looks better when he is still flush with borrowed money. As soon as those who benefited by the bailouts and stimulus money spend it all, we will not find much change or process in our financial health.

6) The unemployment rate won't go down no matter how many times you say it's going to get better.

7) And last but not least, after inviting Crowley and Gates to a party at the White House, you are still stressed because you have no idea if you open a Budweiser with a "twist" or a bottle opener.

Good luck.

Years ago, that would be classified in the DSM-IV, as narcissism with delusions of grandeur. Today its the platform of the Democratic Party.

749 Charpete67  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 8:20:48am

re: #740 Killgore Trout

...I knew it...
///

750 BlueCanuck  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 8:21:18am

re: #717 Kenneth

36 days on strike, 48,900 tonnes of trash, and for what?

Toronto mayor caves in to union.


And that was a surprise? The question really was how long it would take for him to cave. Has to look out for his voting base you know.

751 Mad Al-Jaffee  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 8:21:23am

re: #641 justabill

Thar she blows./

We're still talking about Paris Hilton?

752 JCM  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 8:21:26am

re: #704 albusteve

I grew up driving in snow and ice...no big deal...fear is what gets people in trouble

Seattle is NUTS in snow.

One morning driving my two wheel drive pickup with all season radials in snow, I head down a hill toward a light. Halfway down the hill, a guy in a Subaru zipps past me. The light changes, the car at the bottom stops for the light. The Subaru locks up all for wheels and slides right into the car at the bottom. I stop behind the Subaru ON THE HILL, leaving enough room in case some piles into me.

I get out to see if everyone is okay. The Subaru driver pops out, and exclaims, "I don't understand, I HAVE FOUR WHEEL DRIVE!"

753 vxbush  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 8:21:40am

re: #740 Killgore Trout

Oy. I wish people wouldn't do this. It's almost as bad as when they use numerology to prove Reagan was the Anti-Christ.

754 sattv4u2  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 8:22:17am

re: #747 iceweasel

Problem is, you're wrong to suggest that's what I'm saying about the health care bill...and I suspect you've misinterpreted avanti as well. See Bloodnok's post above.re: #721 iceweasel

sometimes passing a slightly flawed bill is better than passing none at all

Your words ,, not mine ,, so p,lease tell me where I'm in error?

755 Bloodnok  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 8:22:18am

re: #745 Sharmuta

OMG!

I would love to watch that, but I am at work. So who is it? It's not me, is it?

756 yochanan  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 8:22:21am

re: #744 _RememberTonyC

the MSM will find more news on M. Jackson instead of covering this.

757 acwgusa  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 8:22:28am

re: #752 JCM

Seattle is NUTS in snow.

One morning driving my two wheel drive pickup with all season radials in snow, I head down a hill toward a light. Halfway down the hill, a guy in a Subaru zipps past me. The light changes, the car at the bottom stops for the light. The Subaru locks up all for wheels and slides right into the car at the bottom. I stop behind the Subaru ON THE HILL, leaving enough room in case some piles into me.

I get out to see if everyone is okay. The Subaru driver pops out, and exclaims, "I don't understand, I HAVE FOUR WHEEL DRIVE!"

Californian's with half of an half an inch of rain. Oh NOES! ITS A FLOOD!

758 [deleted]  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 8:22:34am
759 Sharmuta  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 8:23:19am

re: #755 Bloodnok

I would love to watch that, but I am at work. So who is it? It's not me, is it?

You're off the hook -- this time. This is from the Freepers, so who do you think they would say is the anti-Christ? Just disgusting.

760 wahabicorridor  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 8:23:32am

re: #752 JCM

Here in the D.C. area it can spit a few flakes and the let the schools out. But when we do actually get stuff on the ground I like to watch the SUV drivers - who continurally fail to understand the relationship between mass and inertia.

761 The Left  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 8:23:59am

re: #754 sattv4u2

sometimes passing a slightly flawed bill is better than passing none at all

Your words ,, not mine ,, so p,lease tell me where I'm in error?

I've already said that the health care bill as is would be better off killed than passed.

But we don't actually have a bill yet, so let's see what Congress does to it.

762 JCM  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 8:24:32am

re: #742 Walter L. Newton

Hope-n-Change meets reality.

763 Kenneth  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 8:24:35am

re: #750 BlueCanuck

The only good thing to come out of this strike is the death of David Miller's political career. In the mayoral election in November, the taxpayers will come out en mass to vote against him. The city unions got what they want from him, but they certainly don't respect him. For the striking workers, 36 days on the picket lines wore out any affection they ever had for him. They will either vote against him or stay home.

764 yochanan  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 8:24:40am

50 ways to leave you computer
out the back jack
take the bus gus

see you all later alligator

765 albusteve  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 8:24:45am

re: #740 Killgore Trout

FreeRupublic: Did Jesus Reveal to us the name of the Anti-Christ?


whoa!...so who will step up and dispute this bombshell?

766 Charpete67  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 8:24:52am

re: #759 Sharmuta

You're off the hook -- this time. This is from the Freepers, so who do you think they would say is the anti-Christ? Just disgusting.

...although it would explain the tingling up my leg...
///

767 wahabicorridor  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 8:25:03am

re: #758 buzzsawmonkey

Done. Amazon's gonna love you.

768 sattv4u2  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 8:25:36am

re: #761 iceweasel

I've already said that the health care bill as is would be better off killed than passed.

But we don't actually have a bill yet, so let's see what Congress does to it.

So I was NOT in error when I stated that you (and Avanti) advocated pasing something, even if flawed, just to kick it off!

Thanks for clarifying!

769 acwgusa  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 8:25:40am

re: #761 iceweasel

I've already said that the health care bill as is would be better off killed than passed.

But we don't actually have a bill yet, so let's see what Congress does to it.

Loads it up with more crap to stiff business, tax the hell out of the people, run private health care out of business, and degrade health care in this county to the level of Somalia?

770 vxbush  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 8:25:42am

re: #753 vxbush

One other thing: I am a Christian, so I'll note that logically any antichrist has to meet *all* the criteria of Scripture, not just a few ones chosen to give us our "preferred" Antichrist of the day. And Obama ain't it.

771 calcajun  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 8:25:48am

re: #743 Charpete67

Bush stole the beer AND bottle opener?

772 Spenser (with an S)  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 8:25:56am

re: #742 Walter L. Newton

Lib friend of my wife told her that "No president has had to deal with what O has had to deal with!"

Now, this is not a young woman with a limited view of history. Problem is, she doesn't think much, she feels a lot. I don't know if she remembers 9/11 or if she's ever heard of those Presidents who governed during wars, assassinations, true global depressions, civil wars or the tenuous founding of our country but she's pretty sure the O has it the worst.

773 albusteve  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 8:25:59am

re: #752 JCM

Seattle is NUTS in snow.

One morning driving my two wheel drive pickup with all season radials in snow, I head down a hill toward a light. Halfway down the hill, a guy in a Subaru zipps past me. The light changes, the car at the bottom stops for the light. The Subaru locks up all for wheels and slides right into the car at the bottom. I stop behind the Subaru ON THE HILL, leaving enough room in case some piles into me.

I get out to see if everyone is okay. The Subaru driver pops out, and exclaims, "I don't understand, I HAVE FOUR WHEEL DRIVE!"

gravity trumps 4WD...every time

774 The Left  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 8:26:13am

re: #765 albusteve

whoa!...so who will step up and dispute this bombshell?

Not the Freepers. The thread over there is pretty horrifying:

Hey guys if you have any knowledge in prophecy there’s a lot more than this passage to point to Barack Obama as the Anti-Christ.

775 [deleted]  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 8:26:15am
776 vxbush  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 8:26:18am

re: #765 albusteve

whoa!...so who will step up and dispute this bombshell?

Did I do it?

777 calcajun  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 8:26:36am

re: #756 yochanan

the MSM will find more news on M. Jackson instead of covering this.

...or his missing nose.

778 JCM  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 8:26:54am

re: #757 acwgusa

Californian's with half of an half an inch of rain. Oh NOES! ITS A FLOOD!

Seattle has a reputation for rain, thing is it's 35" a year spread over 9 months of continuous drizzle. If we get an inch in a 24 hour period it can start to cause problems.

We've had several weeks of dry weather, every single driver in Seattle has already forgotten how to drive in the rain. Traffic's gonna' be a huge mess with the first rain.

779 lawhawk  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 8:27:02am

re: #711 reine.de.tout

We've got a couple bridges like that up here in the NYC metro area - particularly the Pulaski Skyway, Outerbridge Crossing and the Goethals Bridge. The Goethals is the worst of the three, and it's scheduled to be replaced sometime soon (depends on when the Port Authority gets around to actually putting shovels in the ground).

It's extremely narrow, bad sightlines, and can cause jitters in good weather - so when there's rain, let alone snow, you have white knuckle driving, particularly when there's 18-wheelers around.

The Pulaski would top the Goethals, except that they haven't allowed truck traffic in years (the bridge is obsolete and can't handle the weight). Also, the Pulaski is unique in that they've got on and off ramps from the left lane in the middle of the span (without sufficient space to accelerate or turn out).

All three lack breakdown lanes as well.

780 The Left  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 8:27:40am

re: #768 sattv4u2

So I was NOT in error when I stated that you (and Avanti) advocated pasing something, even if flawed, just to kick it off!

Thanks for clarifying!

No, you were in error. The current proposals are not 'slightly flawed', they are bad. If you read the thread you'd see that's what I'd said.

781 BlueCanuck  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 8:28:09am

re: #752 JCM

I get out to see if everyone is okay. The Subaru driver pops out, and exclaims, "I don't understand, I HAVE FOUR WHEEL DRIVE!"

I remember when four wheel drive was all the new rage. Heard a story about a tow truck operator that loved those types of vehicles. Asked why and he said that the people behind the wheel would get themselves into situations that would require twice the effort to get them out. Usually a double or triple tow charge. Having driven in all kinds of conditions, with both types of drives, I know that speed is the big thing that will get you into more trouble then anything else in dicy conditions.

782 albusteve  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 8:28:17am

re: #772 Spenser (with an S)

Lib friend of my wife told her that "No president has had to deal with what O has had to deal with!"

Now, this is not a young woman with a limited view of history. Problem is, she doesn't think much, she feels a lot. I don't know if she remembers 9/11 or if she's ever heard of those Presidents who governed during wars, assassinations, true global depressions, civil wars or the tenuous founding of our country but she's pretty sure the O has it the worst.

unfortunately so does he...history is dead

783 J.S.  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 8:28:34am

re: #734 buzzsawmonkey

Hemingway seemed to lack a sense of humor in his novels...(Hemingway also has that Toronto Star Weekly connection here)...

784 Sharmuta  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 8:29:06am

Gotta take care of some errands, Lizards. Have a great morning!

785 JCM  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 8:29:11am

re: #773 albusteve

gravity trumps 4WD...every time

Informal observation on my part. A high percentage of vehicles in ditches on snowy days are 4 wheel drive.

786 Kenneth  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 8:29:13am

re: #765 albusteve

They misspelled the word "height" in the video as "heigth".

Can anybody here verify or dispute the translations into Hebrew?

787 [deleted]  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 8:29:14am
788 albusteve  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 8:29:41am

Baw-Rawk O Bawmwa...
lightening from on high...
dig that!

789 Charpete67  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 8:30:10am

re: #782 albusteve

unfortunately so does he...history is dead

It won't be long before he's having more to deal with than any other president if he keeps spending money, apologizing to dictators and moving our country towards socialism.

790 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 8:30:21am

re: #734 buzzsawmonkey

BTW, Fitzgerald has his moments--both of beautiful prose and deep insight--and Hemingway, too, his flashes of greatness.

I do not, however, think Hemingway lives up to his billing.

Old Man and the Sea? Beautiful.

Couldn't read the first chapter of anything else.

791 Creeping Eruption  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 8:30:59am

re: #788 albusteve

Baw-Rawk O Bawmwa...
lightening from on high...
dig that!

I always thought that "Satan" in Hebrew was translated as "The Deceiver." I guess that works too/

792 wahabicorridor  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 8:31:00am

re: #787 buzzsawmonkey

Somebody needs to write a modern-day pulp story about a band of adventurers braving the neon jungle of Los Angeles to find the fabled Neverland, where they seek the Lost Nose of the Great Pop Idol.

Actually. No. Nobody. Needs. To. Write. That.

Ever.

793 [deleted]  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 8:31:09am
794 Creeping Eruption  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 8:31:34am

re: #790 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Old Man and the Sea? Beautiful.

Couldn't read the first chapter of anything else.

So every book you now read, you begin on Chapter 2?

795 justabill  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 8:31:39am

re: #704 albusteve

I grew up driving in snow and ice...no big deal...fear is what gets people in trouble

I must disagree, its the lack of fear, or even respect for the weather that gets people in trouble. You can drive in snow, you just need to slow down, allow greater following distances, build up a little momentum before going uphill.

Its those idiots in 4wd vehicles who think they can get thru anything that are the most dangerous, especially in Maryland/Virginia. 4WD doesn't do do anything for your stopping distance or ability to turn.

796 BlueCanuck  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 8:31:54am

re: #787 buzzsawmonkey

That one sounds like it would be ripe for satire. Hmmm, going to have to go check something. Needs a catchy title to seal the deal.

/I envision "The King" making an appearance somewhere in it...

797 wahabicorridor  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 8:32:02am

gotta go. avoiding paper work, surprisingly, doesn't make it go away.

798 Killgore Trout  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 8:32:11am

re: #788 albusteve

Baw-Rawk O Bawmwa...
lightening from on high...
dig that!

Zeus!

799 JCM  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 8:32:12am

re: #781 BlueCanuck

I remember when four wheel drive was all the new rage. Heard a story about a tow truck operator that loved those types of vehicles. Asked why and he said that the people behind the wheel would get themselves into situations that would require twice the effort to get them out. Usually a double or triple tow charge. Having driven in all kinds of conditions, with both types of drives, I know that speed is the big thing that will get you into more trouble then anything else in dicy conditions.

My van, has the Mercedes Benz traction skid control system. It actually scares me a bit. It works so well in preventing sliding, spinning wheels it gives the false perception traction on the road is better than it really is. It makes it easier to over drive conditions and get into a corner where physics trumps traction control.

800 Charpete67  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 8:32:17am

re: #791 Creeping Eruption

I always thought that "Satan" in Hebrew was translated as "The Deceiver." I guess that works too/

since I have Obama derangement syndrome, either "deceiver" or "Obama" works for me.
/

801 sattv4u2  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 8:32:30am

re: #780 iceweasel

No, you were in error. The current proposals are not 'slightly flawed', they are bad. If you read the thread you'd see that's what I'd said.

sometimes passing a slightly flawed bill is better than passing none at all

Again ,, your words ,, not mine, So I HAVE been "reading the thread"

Yes,, you did state the "current proposals are bad". But that doesn't negate advocating the passage of a flawed bill, as you also have!

802 lawhawk  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 8:32:31am

re: #754 sattv4u2

sometimes passing a slightly flawed bill is better than passing none at all

Your words ,, not mine ,, so p,lease tell me where I'm in error?

Passing a slightly flawed bill better than passing none at all? Really? What do you consider to be slightly flawed? The cost savings isn't there - which is the impetus for passing the damned thing in the first place. The key component of the bill is massive tax hikes, including on the middle class, which was something Obama said he wouldn't do.

Then, there's the unintended (or intended) consequences of passage that aren't going to get debated because Democrats want the damned thing done ASAP.

If this bill doesn't get done, it's not like millions will suddenly go without care. They can get care if they need it - just as always - but they'll bitch and moan about the cost. Just as they've always done.

The bills do not improve the quality of care, and will likely signal a significant decline that will not save money, or more importantly, lives. It will mean an even bigger bureaucracy, and less choice. Choice is going to be phased out - much of it in as little as a year after passage since private health plans come up for renewal annually. So, once the year is up, they'll get pushed into the government plan, which means less choice.

803 acwgusa  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 8:32:59am

re: #787 buzzsawmonkey

There used to be stories in the old pulps about journeying to lost cities deep in the jungle to find a fabulous jewel rumored to be inset in some idol's forehead.

Somebody needs to write a modern-day pulp story about a band of adventurers braving the neon jungle of Los Angeles to find the fabled Neverland, where they seek the Lost Nose of the Great Pop Idol.

Indiana Jones in the Hollywood Crusade: Quest for the Golden Nose of King Popmusician.

Yeah, I'm going to Hell.

804 albusteve  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 8:33:01am

re: #785 JCM

Informal observation on my part. A high percentage of vehicles in ditches on snowy days are 4 wheel drive.

there is no question about that...we had a record busting 14" here in ABQ two years ago...more snow than in anybodys lifetime...I putted around in my Jetta and 4WD off the roads were probably 4 to one...they don't get center of gravity/weight/power...

805 Sheila Broflovski  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 8:33:43am

re: #717 Kenneth

36 days on strike, 48,900 tonnes of trash, and for what?

Toronto mayor caves in to union.

My son told me he took his trash to the city dump, and found the driveway blocked by a picket line. So he took his garbage out of the car and joined an angry mob of garbage-wielding citizens who stormed the chain link fence and broke the picket line.

It was his first act of civil disobedience.

806 [deleted]  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 8:33:49am
807 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 8:33:59am

Had a flat tire in the swamps near the outer banks in NC. Two lanes... no shoulder... drove on a shredded tire for three miles to a pull out spot.

Changing the tire, cops stop to check on me. As they're leaving, they said, "Be careful sir." and nodded behind me. Big effing sign that I had not noticed said, "Watch for Bears".

Then they left. I finished changing the tire entirely by feel.

808 Gang of One  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 8:34:23am

re: #740 Killgore Trout

FreeRupublic: Did Jesus Reveal to us the name of the Anti-Christ?


KT, I know you are not one to make the Barak = Antichrist argument. And I think the Freepers are a little over the top with this. I just don't want to see Charles wake up Stinky and start tossing people and posts out ... several months ago he was quite clear about his disdain for the Barak = Antichrist meme. Not a warning, just don't want to see you get timed out or banned.

809 acwgusa  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 8:34:32am

re: #806 buzzsawmonkey

That would be Gary Indiana Jones, given the origins of the Jacksons.

Oh, Boo, Hiss. That was a horrible pun!

810 sattv4u2  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 8:34:40am

re: #802 lawhawk

Passing a slightly flawed bill better than passing none at all?

That was cut and pasted from IceWeasels #721

I was disputing it

811 John Neverbend  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 8:35:15am

re: #800 Charpete67

since I have Obama derangement syndrome, either "deceiver" or "Obama" works for me.
/

I think the more common translation for the small number of occurrences in Tanakh is "adversary", with the idea of a prosecuting counsel.

812 Desert Dog  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 8:35:19am

re: #805 Alouette

My son told me he took his trash to the city dump, and found the driveway blocked by a picket line. So he took his garbage out of the car and joined an angry mob of garbage-wielding citizens who stormed the chain link fence and broke the picket line.

It was his first act of civil disobedience.

I would take half to city hall and dump it and then take the other half to the union offices...what a bunch of bs

813 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 8:35:33am

re: #803 acwgusa

Yeah, I'm going to Hell.

See ya there.

814 lawhawk  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 8:35:38am

re: #810 sattv4u2

I understand that - I echo your sentiment - should have read up to find the original quote to reply.

815 lincolntf  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 8:35:56am

re: #802 lawhawk

That's all the Left really cares about, the permanence.
All the "flaws" will be "corrected" once they have their trillion dollar bureacracy in place. Yeah, right.
If this passes at anything near it's current scope, it'll be a disaster from which our economy (and our health care) will suffer indefinitely.

816 sattv4u2  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 8:35:57am

re: #814 lawhawk

I understand that - I echo your sentiment - should have read up to find the original quote to reply.

n/p

817 acwgusa  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 8:36:15am

re: #813 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

See ya there.

Dibbs on the Seventh Level!

818 albusteve  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 8:36:19am

Baw-Rawk is here...
Baw-Rawk has come for his children

819 Killgore Trout  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 8:36:19am

re: #808 Gang of One

I think I'm pretty safe on this one. It might even become a thread. I think it's probably ok as long as people here aren't advocating the idea.

820 JCM  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 8:36:30am

re: #804 albusteve

there is no question about that...we had a record busting 14" here in ABQ two years ago...more snow than in anybodys lifetime...I putted around in my Jetta and 4WD off the roads were probably 4 to one...they don't get center of gravity/weight/power...

I was out in my wife's Camry in 8" snow, all season radials, no chains, light turns green, being a cautious driver, I wait to see what's coming...

4 wheel drive, raised pickup, chains on all four wheels...

Slides sideways through the intersection.

821 reine.de.tout  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 8:36:47am

Good grief!

buzzing around the internet, I came across a site, theobamaforum.com.
I won't link to it. NOTE: It does not appear to have any sort of official tie to Obama; it seems to be a blog site for certain Obama supporters.

Here's what's on their home page:

Welcome to the official grassroots forum.
( NO WHITES ALLOWED )

From a thread called "Mass Compulsory Sterilization"


It is a burden on North America; those who choose to have families. The finest solution I see is a state apparatus that cares for children from cradle to grave; but directly taxes those who choose to procreate. Mothers with children as young as two can begin the process of handing over their children to the Foster Educator General; this will be alot of progress. Currently it takes 18 years for a human to become an adult. Under Obama's state apparatus, we can turn out an adult human in just short of a decade. Ready to tackle the world either working in a factory or by joining Obama's military,
Baby clothes and toys are luxury goods and should be heavily taxed; right along with state controled synthetic toddler milk substitutes. I beleive that the tax law as it resides encourages rampant indiscriminant childbearing.

Giving birth is a priveledge for women and it is only responsible that the parties involved in procreation are sufficiently taxed to offset the drain on society.


822 Sheila Broflovski  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 8:37:08am

re: #812 Desert Dog

I would take half to city hall and dump it and then take the other half to the union offices...what a bunch of bs

I told him he should have just hauled the load to Michigan. That where it's going to end up anyway.

823 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 8:37:16am

re: #808 Gang of One

I think Charles'd point that nut-job article out too.

Illustrations are important.

824 Mad Al-Jaffee  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 8:38:00am

re: #790 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Old Man and the Sea? Beautiful.

Couldn't read the first chapter of anything else.

I love his short stories.

825 _RememberTonyC  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 8:38:25am

re: #756 yochanan

the MSM will find more news on M. Jackson instead of covering this.


at least the NY Times covered the story ... I'm just surprised they didn't blame Bush for the repression in iran.

826 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 8:38:32am

re: #817 acwgusa

Shit. I was counting on the seventh level.

827 Gang of One  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 8:38:41am

re: #779 lawhawk

We've got a couple bridges like that up here in the NYC metro area - particularly the Pulaski Skyway, Outerbridge Crossing and the Goethals Bridge. The Goethals is the worst of the three, and it's scheduled to be replaced sometime soon (depends on when the Port Authority gets around to actually putting shovels in the ground).

It's extremely narrow, bad sightlines, and can cause jitters in good weather - so when there's rain, let alone snow, you have white knuckle driving, particularly when there's 18-wheelers around.

The Pulaski would top the Goethals, except that they haven't allowed truck traffic in years (the bridge is obsolete and can't handle the weight). Also, the Pulaski is unique in that they've got on and off ramps from the left lane in the middle of the span (without sufficient space to accelerate or turn out).

All three lack breakdown lanes as well.

I would add the corkscrews leading up to the GWB/I95 from I87 Major Deegan Xway. They suck in any weather.

828 The Left  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 8:39:30am

re: #801 sattv4u2

sometimes passing a slightly flawed bill is better than passing none at all

Again ,, your words ,, not mine, So I HAVE been "reading the thread"

Yes,, you did state the "current proposals are bad". But that doesn't negate advocating the passage of a flawed bill, as you also have!

No, I have not.

I have said that in some cases, it is better to pass a slightly flawed bill than none at all, especially when the political will is there to go back and fix it.

I have also said that passing a bad bill is worse than passing none, and said that the health care proposals as they are now are worse than passing none.

I have also said that there is no reason to believe that anyone would go back and tweak the health care legislation after it passes.

I was taking your side in this discussion, but rather than see that you seem intent on creating imaginary points to 'score' off your fantasy of what 'liberals think'.

Have a nice day.

829 lincolntf  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 8:39:44am

re: #821 reine.de.tout

Satire? Hoax?
It doesn't sound legit to me. Too pat, has spelling errors, etc.

830 BlueCanuck  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 8:39:47am

re: #803 acwgusa

Indiana Jones in the Hollywood Crusade: Quest for the Golden Nose of King Popmusician.

Yeah, I'm going to Hell.

I was thinking more along the lines of Alan Quartermain and the City of Lost Gold.

831 Desert Dog  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 8:39:57am

re: #815 lincolntf

That's all the Left really cares about, the permanence.
All the "flaws" will be "corrected" once they have their trillion dollar bureacracy in place. Yeah, right.
If this passes at anything near it's current scope, it'll be a disaster from which our economy (and our health care) will suffer indefinitely.

It's all about intentions. The intent of this healthcare track is to give everyone healthcare. It's a noble intent and all who are involved will feel really good about themselves. BUT, the reality is, this Obamacare will decrease the service levels and increase the price. It will make things worse in the long run. But, the unintended consequences and the end result does not matter to the ones pushing this...not at all.

832 [deleted]  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 8:40:04am
833 Kenneth  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 8:40:38am

Quantum Jumping!


“REVEALED: YOU have a hidden power that will transform you into a universe-hopping utopian being that can achieve any goal, master any skill, and command abundance, health & happiness.”

Ask your quack paranormal teacher if Quantum Jumping is for you.

834 albusteve  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 8:41:00am

re: #820 JCM

I was out in my wife's Camry in 8" snow, all season radials, no chains, light turns green, being a cautious driver, I wait to see what's coming...

4 wheel drive, raised pickup, chains on all four wheels...

Slides sideways through the intersection.

down to eight lives...

835 Bloodnok  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 8:41:11am

re: #801 sattv4u2

sometimes passing a slightly flawed bill is better than passing none at all

Again ,, your words ,, not mine, So I HAVE been "reading the thread"

Yes,, you did state the "current proposals are bad". But that doesn't negate advocating the passage of a flawed bill, as you also have!

She stated her opinion here:

The rich will get richer, and the uninsured will still suffer. That's why this morning's thinking is that it's better to kill the bill entirely, because this is no kind of reform.

If she made a point about bills in general (flawed might be better than nothing), fine. But this "gotcha!" game about what both she and Avanti think about the current bill is a bit odd.

836 J.S.  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 8:41:19am

re: #821 reine.de.tout

this could be a strained (read: failed) attempt at "satire."

837 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 8:41:21am

re: #823 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I think Charles'd point that nut-job article out too.

Illustrations are important.

Might even make it a thread!

I START THE BIDDING AT 15 ACCOUNTS BLOCKED!
10 SUSPENSIONS!

838 sattv4u2  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 8:41:23am

re: #827 Gang of One

I would add the corkscrews leading up to the GWB/I95 from I87 Major Deegan Xway. They suck in any weather.

HEH ,,,Before they redesigned it (partof the Big Dig project)
Boston, coming over the Mystic River Bridge into Boston (3 lanes ) merging with I 93 into Boston (3 lanes plus 2 HOV lanes) all into 2 lanes for about 1/4 mile until it opened back up into 3 lanes

839 Desert Dog  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 8:41:25am

re: #820 JCM

I was out in my wife's Camry in 8" snow, all season radials, no chains, light turns green, being a cautious driver, I wait to see what's coming...

4 wheel drive, raised pickup, chains on all four wheels...

Slides sideways through the intersection.

Over confidence and snow/ice rarely make a good combo. I used to pass by the idiots in their 4x4's stuck in a snowbank driving my little Datsun 210. THAT was a good snow car (as long as it was not too deep)

840 reine.de.tout  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 8:41:30am

re: #829 lincolntf

Satire? Hoax?
It doesn't sound legit to me. Too pat, has spelling errors, etc.

could very well be.
check out the photos the folks are using with their nics.
It doesn't seem real to me.

841 The Left  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 8:41:32am

re: #810 sattv4u2

Passing a slightly flawed bill better than passing none at all?

That was cut and pasted from IceWeasels #721

Yeah, and cut and pasted out of context, to try to imply that I think we should pass fundamentally flawed health care legislation. Not so.

842 [deleted]  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 8:41:38am
843 Mad Al-Jaffee  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 8:42:12am

re: #830 BlueCanuck

I was thinking more along the lines of Alan Quartermain and the City of Lost Gold Plastic.

844 acwgusa  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 8:42:21am

re: #826 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Shit. I was counting on the seventh level.

I can sublet! I have a Beach House on the Lake of Fire on the fourth level!

845 reine.de.tout  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 8:42:41am

re: #832 buzzsawmonkey

One has to wonder whether such a site is genuine or--more likely--a fake designed to play to fears and concerns raised elsewhere which, when revealed as a fake, will discredit those who relied on it.

Tread warily:

"Everyone should go careful in a city like this."
--The Third Man

Yes, that make a lot of sense.

846 ArchangelMichael  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 8:43:18am

re: #837 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Might even make it a thread!

I START THE BIDDING AT 15 ACCOUNTS BLOCKED!
10 SUSPENSIONS!

I'll start the bidding on first melt down comment: 27

847 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 8:43:20am

re: #842 buzzsawmonkey

That's scary. I was reading your post, was too far down to see who posted it, and said, "Hey, that's Buzz."

I was right.

OT! Vince just said, "You're gonna love my nuts!"

848 Mad Al-Jaffee  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 8:43:21am

re: #832 buzzsawmonkey

Upding for mentioning one of my favorite movies.

849 acwgusa  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 8:43:34am

re: #833 Kenneth

Quantum Jumping!


Ask your quack paranormal teacher if Quantum Jumping is for you.

Careful you don't quantum jump into a rock! Gives new meaning to Kidney stones!

850 Gang of One  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 8:44:33am

re: #819 Killgore Trout

I think I'm pretty safe on this one. It might even become a thread. I think it's probably ok as long as people here aren't advocating the idea.

I think you're right, KT. You clearly are not going down their road.

851 redstateredneck  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 8:45:03am

re: #806 buzzsawmonkey

That would be Gary Indiana Jones, given the origins of the Jacksons.

Okay, that made me laugh.

852 Killgore Trout  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 8:45:10am

re: #821 reine.de.tout

Hmmm...I'm looking at the site now. At first look it seems legit (there's a section on AIPAC, Health care, etc) but the posts seem to be parodies. I'm looking at one now that says "Your Future, White boy" with a picture of a concentration camp with a big FEMA sign.

I'm not sure who's goofing on who but somethings going on there.

853 Desert Dog  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 8:45:26am

re: #838 sattv4u2

HEH ,,,Before they redesigned it (partof the Big Dig project)
Boston, coming over the Mystic River Bridge into Boston (3 lanes ) merging with I 93 into Boston (3 lanes plus 2 HOV lanes) all into 2 lanes for about 1/4 mile until it opened back up into 3 lanes

Sounds like a masterpiece of traffic engineering...not just a funnel to stop traffic dead, but an hour glass! Very inventive.

854 The Left  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 8:45:31am

re: #835 Bloodnok

If she made a point about bills in general (flawed might be better than nothing), fine. But this "gotcha!" game about what both she and Avanti think about the current bill is a bit odd.

That's exactly what's happening. I made a point about bills in general, and noted that in some cases passing slightly flawed legislation is better than none. I have repeatedly stated that this is not the situation with health care reform.

It's not even like it's a 'gotcha' game. It's some kind of bizarre insistence on misreading me and trying to pretend that i really think something different about health care reform than what I'm actually said.

855 BlueCanuck  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 8:45:47am

re: #852 Killgore Trout

Who owns the domain?

856 Ben Hur  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 8:45:53am

Kilgore!

A Freeper Sleeper!

LOL!

857 turn  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 8:46:06am

re: #849 acwgusa

Careful you don't quantum jump into a rock! Gives new meaning to Kidney stones!

Yeah, and if you quatum jump on a hammer you could end up with hammer toe too.

858 [deleted]  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 8:46:11am
859 sattv4u2  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 8:46:15am

re: #828 iceweasel

No, I have not.

I have said that in some cases, it is better to pass a slightly flawed bill than none at all, especially when the political will is there to go back and fix it.

I have also said that passing a bad bill is worse than passing none, and said that the health care proposals as they are now are worse than passing none.

I have also said that there is no reason to believe that anyone would go back and tweak the health care legislation after it passes.

I was taking your side in this discussion, but rather than see that you seem intent on creating imaginary points to 'score' off your fantasy of what 'liberals think'.

Have a nice day.

I always have nice days.

And the way you "take a said" is to be difinitive. NOT couching your posts

'its good, unless it's bad, then it would be bad, unless it could be good!"

i.e.

I don't want a bad bill passed, but I would favor a flawed bill passed as to none at all


OOoookkkaaayyyY!!

860 JCM  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 8:46:16am

re: #807 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Had a flat tire in the swamps near the outer banks in NC. Two lanes... no shoulder... drove on a shredded tire for three miles to a pull out spot.

Changing the tire, cops stop to check on me. As they're leaving, they said, "Be careful sir." and nodded behind me. Big effing sign that I had not noticed said, "Watch for Bears".

Then they left. I finished changing the tire entirely by feel.

When I was about six, driving out to the village we lived in Iran we had a flat late one night.

My dad had me hold the flashlight. I hold the flashlight on the wheel but pretty soon I'd be facing 180° shining the light out into the desert. Dad would ask to shine the light on the wheel. After 4 or 5 times dad is getting exasperated with his light turning away.

He finally asks, "WHY do you keep turning around! I need the light HERE!"
I had a very logical answer for a six year old, "But dad, the Wolves are OUT THERE!"

861 Kenneth  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 8:46:23am

Baw-Rawk u Baw Maw has competition...

ANTICHRIST - PRINCE WILLIAM

Youtube Video
862 MJ  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 8:46:49am

Carter, Tutu to visit Middle East next month

An international group of veteran statesmen said Tuesday that it will send a delegation including former US president Jimmy Carter and Nobel peace laureate Desmond Tututo Israel, the West Bank and the Gaza Strip next month...


[Link: www.jpost.com...]


(Self-Deleted)

863 JCM  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 8:47:00am

re: #821 reine.de.tout

Good grief!

buzzing around the internet, I came across a site, theobamaforum.com.
I won't link to it. NOTE: It does not appear to have any sort of official tie to Obama; it seems to be a blog site for certain Obama supporters.

Here's what's on their home page:

Brave New World.

864 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 8:47:00am

re: #853 Desert Dog

Sounds like a masterpiece of traffic engineering...not just a funnel to stop traffic dead, but an hour glass! Very inventive.

They based the design on the fact that Boston drivers are the most patient and generous of all drivers in all big cities.

865 sattv4u2  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 8:47:23am

re: #841 iceweasel

Yeah, and cut and pasted out of context, to try to imply that I think we should pass fundamentally flawed health care legislation. Not so.

But it would be okay to pass one with flaws in it than none at all, because there's a political will to get one passed!

866 reine.de.tout  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 8:47:26am

re: #852 Killgore Trout

Hmmm...I'm looking at the site now. At first look it seems legit (there's a section on AIPAC, Health care, etc) but the posts seem to be parodies. I'm looking at one now that says "Your Future, White boy" with a picture of a concentration camp with a big FEMA sign.

I'm not sure who's goofing on who but somethings going on there.

Killgore - it has got to be a fake site. I don't have enough knowledge to know how to figure it out.

867 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 8:47:27am

re: #863 JCM

Brave my ass! I'm askeert.

868 acwgusa  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 8:47:38am

re: #857 turn

Yeah, and if you quatum jump on a hammer you could end up with hammer toe too.

Man, I don't even want to know what happens if you end up on a horny toad!

/Ducks as audience throws tomatoes, rocks, chairs...etc.

869 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 8:48:04am

re: #866 reine.de.tout

Ahem. If you can pull it up, it is not a fake site.

Hiya Toots!

870 vxbush  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 8:48:13am

re: #861 Kenneth

Baw-Rawk u Baw Maw has competition...

ANTICHRIST - PRINCE WILLIAM


[Video]

*slaps forehead* Oy.

871 turn  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 8:48:31am

re: #868 acwgusa

hahaha

872 Creeping Eruption  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 8:48:39am

re: #862 MJ

Carter, Tutu to visit Middle East next month


[Link: www.jpost.com...]

(Self-Deleted)

Carter should wear a tutu for all the credibility he has.

873 Killgore Trout  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 8:48:49am

re: #821 reine.de.tout

Ok, I poked around a little bit more. It's actually a very ugly racist right wing site parodying black Obama supporters. Ugh.

874 The Left  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 8:50:04am

re: #866 reine.de.tout

Killgore - it has got to be a fake site. I don't have enough knowledge to know how to figure it out.

It's fake. It's clearly being run by people who hate Obama and Obama supporters as their idea of a joke or parody, as KT says. It contains every crazy canard about 'what Obama supporters really want'.

875 Kenneth  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 8:50:06am

re: #870 vxbush

No kidding... apparently Prince William was cloned from DNA obtained from the Shroud of Turin. Sounds like a plot device discarded by Dan Brown as too nuts even for him.

876 lincolntf  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 8:50:39am

re: #862 MJ

Carter, Tutu to visit Middle East next month... to search for Michael Jackson's nose!

877 The Left  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 8:50:42am

re: #873 Killgore Trout

Ok, I poked around a little bit more. It's actually a very ugly racist right wing site parodying black Obama supporters. Ugh.

Exactly. I suspect Stormfront account holders.

878 Killgore Trout  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 8:50:44am

re: #866 reine.de.tout

I was going to look up who registered the domain but whois isn't working for me today.

879 Ben Hur  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 8:51:14am

The rich will get richer, and the uninsured will still suffer.

[Link: www.ibdeditorials.com...]

880 turn  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 8:51:20am

re: #872 Creeping Eruption

They just need one more to round out the tour group

Image: cynthia_mckinney.jpg

881 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 8:51:43am

re: #860 JCM

"There, wolf. There, castle. "
-Eyegore

882 jcm  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 8:51:52am

You are all wrong!

We have met the Anti-Christ and we are it!

WWW = 666: Is the Web the Antichrist?

883 Killgore Trout  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 8:51:53am

re: #877 iceweasel

Could be the Freepers too. They aren't much different these days.

884 Creeping Eruption  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 8:52:06am

Cool:

ISCAP Directs NSA to Release COMINT History

In 2005, the National Security Agency released a partially declassified (pdf) 1952 history of communications intelligence prior to Pearl Harbor with several passages censored. But this month, the NSA released the complete text (pdf) of the document after the Interagency Security Classification Appeals Panel (ISCAP) determined that there was no justification for continued classification of the withheld portions.

Glad I just dropped $20 at Amazon for Bamford's book./

885 vxbush  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 8:52:47am

re: #878 Killgore Trout

I was going to look up who registered the domain but whois isn't working for me today.

I got it:

Domain Name: THEOBAMAFORUM.COM
Registrar: DYNADOT, LLC
Whois Server: whois.dynadot.com
Referral URL: [Link: www.dynadot.com...]
Name Server: NS1.CP4DNS.COM
Name Server: NS2.CP4DNS.COM
Status: clientTransferProhibited
Updated Date: 21-jun-2009
Creation Date: 03-jun-2008
Expiration Date: 03-jun-2010
886 sattv4u2  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 8:53:15am

re: #882 jcm

You are all wrong!

We have met the Anti-Christ and we are it!

WWW = 666: Is the Web the Antichrist?

Thats why when a thread hits 650 posts, I keep away from the keyboard until AFTER I see #666 come up

I do NOT want to be the Anti Christ!

887 The Left  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 8:53:31am

re: #883 Killgore Trout

Could be the Freepers too. They aren't much different these days.

Definitely. And there's a lot of crossover crazy too-- people who post or visit both, read a little Malkin, check out Alex Jones sometimes.

The cross-pollination of crazy, we should call it.

888 [deleted]  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 8:53:34am
889 Digital Display  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 8:53:50am

Good Morning Lizards! Just about lunchtime here..My favorite part of the workday..
How is everyone?

890 reine.de.tout  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 8:54:01am

re: #873 Killgore Trout

Ok, I poked around a little bit more. It's actually a very ugly racist right wing site parodying black Obama supporters. Ugh.

ugh is not strong enough.

891 Charpete67  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 8:54:33am

re: #885 vxbush

Domain Name: theobamaforum.com
Registered at [Link: www.dynadot.com...]

Registrant:
A Anderson c/o Dynadot Privacy
PO Box 701
San Mateo, CA 94401
United States

Administrative Contact:
A Anderson c/o Dynadot Privacy
PO Box 701
San Mateo, CA 94401
United States
privacy@dynadot.com
[no phone numbers allowed]

Technical Contact:
A Anderson c/o Dynadot Privacy
PO Box 701
San Mateo, CA 94401
United States
privacy@dynadot.com
[no phone numbers allowed]

Record expires on 2010/06/03 UTC
Record created on 2008/06/03 UTC

Domain servers in listed order:
ns1.cp4dns.com
ns2.cp4dns.com

892 sattv4u2  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 8:54:33am

re: #885 vxbush

What does that tell us? I interwebby illiterate.

893 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 8:54:43am

re: #888 buzzsawmonkey

"Anne Tychreist" would be a fun pseudonym to write under.

I've met Uncle Jesus and Aunty Christ.

894 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 8:54:56am

re: #886 sattv4u2

My 864 was written with you in mind.

895 vxbush  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 8:55:03am

re: #885 vxbush

That was incredibly unhelpful. Rats.

896 SasquatchOnSteroids  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 8:55:07am

re: #888 buzzsawmonkey

"Anne Tychreist" would be a fun pseudonym to write under.

What would we do without you?

LOL.

897 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 8:55:13am

re: #889 HoosierHoops

Good Morning Lizards! Just about lunchtime here..My favorite part of the workday..
How is everyone?

Fine. Did you get that Chinese cash coin?

898 The Left  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 8:55:25am

re: #888 buzzsawmonkey

"Anne Tychreist" would be a fun pseudonym to write under.

There actually is a liberal blogger with the nic Ann T Chryst or something similar. I can't remember the exact spelling. Yours is better.

899 sattv4u2  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 8:55:47am

re: #894 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

My 864 was written with you in mind.

I'm stepping outside so I can blast my horn at you

900 vxbush  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 8:55:51am

re: #892 sattv4u2

What does that tell us? I interwebby illiterate.

That they registered the site via Dynadot, but Dynadot is keeping its secrets. I've never heard of that company before, so they are a small potatoes firm.

901 Digital Display  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 8:56:24am

re: #897 Walter L. Newton

Fine. Did you get that Chinese cash coin?

I guess you missed my gushing thank you's on Saturday..
Just frigging awesome.. Thank you Walter!

902 Charpete67  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 8:56:39am

re: #892 sattv4u2

it means they paid an extra $5 to make their registration anonymous.

903 sattv4u2  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 8:57:07am

re: #900 vxbush

re: #902 Charpete67

Thanks

904 MandyManners  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 8:57:13am

re: #821 reine.de.tout

I Googled Jeff Cherry.

905 lincolntf  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 8:57:29am

re: #902 Charpete67

So they obviously have deep pockets...

906 [deleted]  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 8:57:51am
907 albusteve  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 8:57:53am

whale to the rescue

[Link: www.foxnews.com...]

908 sattv4u2  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 8:57:58am

re: #902 Charpete67

it means they paid an extra $5 to make their registration anonymous.

So ,, it's established that they are whores, so if I send the host $50, think they'll give me the info?

909 vxbush  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 8:58:12am

re: #905 lincolntf

So they obviously have deep pockets...

I don't know. I mean, Zombie has done the same thing to keep its whois information private. I don't consider Zombie to have tons of money.

910 Charpete67  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 8:58:15am

re: #905 lincolntf

So they obviously have deep pockets...

...I'm not sure it's $5...it could be as high as $9...
///

911 sattv4u2  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 8:59:04am

re: #909 vxbush

I don't know. I mean, Zombie has done the same thing to keep its whois information private. I don't consider Zombie to have tons of money.

me thinks the "deep pockets" ($5 whole dollars spent) was tongue in cheek

912 [deleted]  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 8:59:08am
913 SFGoth  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 8:59:17am

re: #830 BlueCanuck

I was thinking more along the lines of Alan Quartermain and the City of Lost Gold.

It's "Quatermain" - Quater, not Quarter. Alan Quartermain was a character on General Hospital. ;->
[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]
[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

914 debutaunt  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 8:59:21am

re: #909 vxbush

I don't know. I mean, Zombie has done the same thing to keep its whois information private. I don't consider Zombie to have tons of money.

Abe was kidding ya.

915 Killgore Trout  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 8:59:26am

re: #885 vxbush

Thanks. No clues there.

916 lincolntf  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 8:59:51am

re: #910 Charpete67

Sounds like a Soros-style operation. Could be a trap.

917 Charpete67  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 9:00:46am

re: #916 lincolntf

Sounds like a Soros-style operation. Could be a trap.

...what?...dammit?...I was just buying in to it and getting really angry...
///

918 reine.de.tout  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 9:01:38am

re: #904 MandyManners

I Googled Jeff Cherry.

Who is Jeff Cherry?
he connected to that site?

919 sattv4u2  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 9:02:15am

re: #918 reine.de.tout

Who is Jeff Cherry?
he connected to that site?

He works for Ben And Jerry's

Jeff Cherry Garcia!

920 Kenneth  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 9:02:49am

The Land of the Spree

Household debt as a percent of GDP rose from 44% in 1982 to 98% in 2007. As all this debt was accumulating, consumer demand was goosing GDP growth. Consumers could carry more debt without a huge increase in their monthly payments, since interest rates fell from 15% to 20% in 1982 to generational lows in recent years. With short term rates near zero, this mountainous debt burden cannot be eased with lower rates. It will have to be paid off the old fashioned way - hard work over time. It's not going to be easy. Since 1982, household debt as a percent of disposable income (income after taxes) has risen from 60%, to 133% at the end of 2007. It has since eased to 128%. In May, the San Francisco Fed determined it would take 10 years to get the ratio down to 100%, and shave .75% off consumption growth every year. If consumers increase savings .7% a year, and pay down household debt, GDP growth will be 1% less annually for a decade.

Between 1993 and early 2008, the savings rate plunged to less than 1%. According to Christianson Capital Advisors, Americans saved $57.4 billion in 2007, and spent $92.3 billion on legalized gambling.

921 vxbush  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 9:02:55am

re: #914 debutaunt

Abe was kidding ya.

My sarc detector seems to be broken today. This could be trouble while I'm on LGF.

922 Charpete67  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 9:02:58am

...just to settle the whole cost thing...from the site...

Hide your contact info!
Domain Privacy
Only $2.00 per year!

923 Spenser (with an S)  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 9:03:30am

re: #917 Charpete67

re: #916 lincolntf

Sounds like a Soros-style operation. Could be a trap.

...what?...dammit?...I was just buying in to it and getting really angry...
///

Yeah.. I've already forwarded it like it's hot to my crazy in-laws who suspected just such plans.

///

924 Charpete67  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 9:04:23am

re: #923 Spenser (with an S)

Yeah.. I've already forwarded it like it's hot to my crazy in-laws who suspected just such plans.

///

...I just sent it to all my co-workers...is that bad?
///

925 MandyManners  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 9:04:59am

re: #918 reine.de.tout

Who is Jeff Cherry?
he connected to that site?

How to stop paying CHILD SUPPORT Jeff Cherry For Congress Anti-Defamation League Democratic Socialists for America

926 Charpete67  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 9:05:58am

re: #925 MandyManners

How to stop paying CHILD SUPPORT Jeff Cherry For Congress Anti-Defamation League Democratic Socialists for America

?...socialist don't have to pay child support?

927 Digital Display  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 9:06:46am

re: #926 Charpete67

?...socialist don't have to pay child support?


National Child care...That is next year.
/

928 Ben Hur  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 9:07:16am

Socialists have children?

929 right_wing2  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 9:07:37am

Sadly, Plan 9 isn't the worst movie I've ever seen. That (dis)honor goes to 'Manos: the Hands of Fate'.

930 Killgore Trout  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 9:07:38am

re: #918 reine.de.tout

Ok, Mystery solved: If you go to the "War on Racism" section of the site one of the admins put up a sticky post titled "Site Not working - go here". It leads to a Paulian/libertarian/Constitution party site as a backup for when their racist forum goes down.

931 Charpete67  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 9:07:38am

re: #927 HoosierHoops

National Child care...That is next year.
/

...so, I could finally afford to leave my wife?...
///

932 SasquatchOnSteroids  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 9:07:42am

re: #926 Charpete67

?...socialist don't have to pay child support?

Socialists don't have to pay for nuffin'

Wheee.

933 Desert Dog  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 9:07:56am

re: #928 Ben Hur

Socialists have children?

We are children to big brother...he takes care of us...

/

934 sattv4u2  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 9:08:27am

re: #921 vxbush

My sarc detector seems to be broken today. This could be trouble while I'm on LGF.

deadly!

Can't recall the screeename, but there was a poster here for awhile that would get livid if someone included a sarc // . She claimed that we should all be smart enough to recognize a post as sarc without the //

935 Digital Display  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 9:08:41am

re: #933 Desert Dog

We are children to big brother...he takes care of us...

/

It takes a village to raise a child
/

936 [deleted]  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 9:09:29am
937 VegasRick  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 9:09:35am

The 9-11 caller having a presser on FOX? This is a bad f'ing joke.

938 acwgusa  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 9:10:02am

re: #927 HoosierHoops

National Child care...That is next year.
/

Don't give them any ideas!

939 Kenneth  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 9:11:06am

The Truth Behind a "Recovery" in GDP

"We're going to get what looks like a V-shaped recovery in GDP, and it will pack the nutritional value of a Twinkee."

Why the so-called recovery the gov't claims is on the way won't last:

1. Industry has record over-capacity. That means they don't have to re-invest to ramp up business. That means no knock-on effect in new orders of heavy machinery, business equipment or office space.

2. Consumer spending will stay down for years. The need to payoff debt will reduce spending.

3. Unemployment will stay about 10% for at least a year, possibly longer.

940 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 9:11:13am

re: #929 right_wing2

Sadly, Plan 9 isn't the worst movie I've ever seen. That (dis)honor goes to 'Manos: the Hands of Fate'.

You've obviously never seen Gymkata!

941 Ben Hur  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 9:11:38am

re: #934 sattv4u2

deadly!

Can't recall the screeename, but there was a poster here for awhile that would get livid if someone included a sarc // . She claimed that we should all be smart enough to recognize a post as sarc without the //

I don't usually/.

Causes some fun with hatchlings that don't know me well.

942 reine.de.tout  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 9:11:54am

re: #930 Killgore Trout

Ok, Mystery solved: If you go to the "War on Racism" section of the site one of the admins put up a sticky post titled "Site Not working - go here". It leads to a Paulian/libertarian/Constitution party site as a backup for when their racist forum goes down.

Good digging!
The "leaders" of our local tea party movement are members of the "Constitution Party".

And one of the things I find so frightening about Ron Paul . . . so many of his supporters, as I've observed here where I am, are young folks. They are getting sucked in without knowing what they are getting sucked in to.

943 SasquatchOnSteroids  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 9:12:01am

re: #933 Desert Dog

We are children to big brother...he takes care of us...

/

I have 3 sisters. They caused me enough pain growing up.
If I did a 1/3 of what they claimed I had done, well, it's the stuff legends are made of.

944 saylorfam  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 9:12:07am

re: #940 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Worst movie I have ever seen was "Goodburger", It was painfull

945 Charpete67  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 9:12:07am

Sarcasm is a result of exasperation about the ridiculous reality we see around us...

946 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 9:12:08am

re: #933 Desert Dog

Shouldn't you capitalize "He" when referring to 0bama?

947 Digital Display  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 9:12:51am

re: #936 buzzsawmonkey

That's one heavy child. Maybe there is something to those childhood obesity studies after all.

Walk through any WAL-MART in Indiana...Lot's of overweight children..
Disturbing to say the least..

948 right_wing2  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 9:12:52am

If we get federally guaranteed health care this year, when do we have some overpaid bureaucrat looking at our grocery cart to make sure we get enough fruit & veggies in our diet? How long before Uncle Barack has P'Hut or McD's limit our purchases of double pepperoni pizza and Big Macs?

949 J.S.  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 9:12:57am

re: #862 MJ

there are several articles in the National Post today about specified antisemites...1) United "Church" of Canada -- front page; 2) "Losing its Halo" about Human so-called "Rights" Watch; 3) "United Against the Jewish State"; 4) and, of course, the "Elders" of the Protocols out for the celebration of murderers.

[must delete what I think of the above parties]

950 sattv4u2  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 9:13:13am

re: #941 Ben Hur

I don't usually/.

Causes some fun with hatchlings that don't know me well.

I don't usually / either

Half the time, I can't find that damn key!!!

951 MandyManners  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 9:13:30am

re: #930 Killgore Trout

Ok, Mystery solved: If you go to the "War on Racism" section of the site one of the admins put up a sticky post titled "Site Not working - go here". It leads to a Paulian/libertarian/Constitution party site as a backup for when their racist forum goes down.

Googling Jeff Cherry shows that he's running against RP.

952 right_wing2  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 9:13:39am

re: #940 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

You've obviously never seen Gymkata!

What about Jackie Chan in 'Fantasy Mission Force'?

953 The Left  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 9:13:45am

Hmm. Found video of a Dem running away when asked about health care. Not as funny (or maybe that should be 'sad') as the vid of all the Republicans running away from the nirther question, but still pretty crappy. (Made by the same guy who made the nirther vid too)

It's here if anyone's interested. Dan Lipinski , (IL)

Youtube Video
954 Charpete67  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 9:14:07am

re: #930 Killgore Trout

Ok, Mystery solved: If you go to the "War on Racism" section of the site one of the admins put up a sticky post titled "Site Not working - go here". It leads to a Paulian/libertarian/Constitution party site as a backup for when their racist forum goes down.

...dude...///?

955 Dianna  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 9:15:19am

re: #937 VegasRick

The 9-11 caller having a presser on FOX? This is a bad f'ing joke.

It's not fun to be accused of racism nationwide.

956 sattv4u2  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 9:15:28am

re: #942 reine.de.tout

so many of his supporters, as I've observed here where I am, are young folks.

Same here in Atlanta, and the REAL interesting thing is, except for their blind support for Paul, they are by and large "progressive" and/ or very liberal

957 jcm  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 9:15:34am

re: #935 HoosierHoops

It takes a village to raise a child
/

My four will be at your house for dinner then!

/

958 Mad Al-Jaffee  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 9:15:35am

re: #888 buzzsawmonkey

"Anne Tychreist" would be a fun pseudonym to write under.

There's a Robert Crumb character called "Cheezus K. Reist."

959 acwgusa  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 9:15:36am

re: #939 Kenneth

The Truth Behind a "Recovery" in GDP

"We're going to get what looks like a V-shaped recovery in GDP, and it will pack the nutritional value of a Twinkee."

Why the so-called recovery the gov't claims is on the way won't last:

1. Industry has record over-capacity. That means they don't have to re-invest to ramp up business. That means no knock-on effect in new orders of heavy machinery, business equipment or office space.

2. Consumer spending will stay down for years. The need to payoff debt will reduce spending.

3. Unemployment will stay about 10% for at least a year, possibly longer.

That's a big Twinkiee.

960 right_wing2  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 9:15:55am

re: #942 reine.de.tout

IMHO, Ron Paul has SOME good ideas, mostly on fiscal issues. Other than that, I think he's a loon.

961 jcm  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 9:16:00am

re: #955 Dianna

It's not fun to be accused of racism nationwide.

By The Won.

962 reine.de.tout  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 9:16:22am

re: #956 sattv4u2

so many of his supporters, as I've observed here where I am, are young folks.

Same here in Atlanta, and the REAL interesting thing is, except for their blind support for Paul, they are by and large "progressive" and/ or very liberal

Yes, I have found the same thing.

963 VegasRick  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 9:17:05am

re: #955 Dianna

It's not fun to be accused of racism nationwide.

I save that feeling for Crowley, not the caller.

964 Dianna  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 9:17:09am

re: #942 reine.de.tout

Good digging!
The "leaders" of our local tea party movement are members of the "Constitution Party".

And one of the things I find so frightening about Ron Paul . . . so many of his supporters, as I've observed here where I am, are young folks. They are getting sucked in without knowing what they are getting sucked in to.

They'll get over it, honest. I've noted about a 26-month turnover among both Paulbots and LaRouche-ites.

965 [deleted]  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 9:17:18am
966 MandyManners  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 9:17:27am

re: #959 acwgusa

That's a big Twinkiee.

Is that what you kids are calling it nowadays?

967 Mad Al-Jaffee  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 9:18:06am

It's lunch time. Back some time this afternoon.

968 The Left  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 9:18:12am

re: #959 acwgusa

That's a big Twinkiee.

Gotta upding any ghostbusters reference!

/dogs and cats living together, mass hysteria!

969 Kenneth  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 9:18:18am

re: #940 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

If you want to see a truly awful movie, look no further than Michael Jackson's "The Wiz".

970 reine.de.tout  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 9:18:38am

re: #964 Dianna

They'll get over it, honest. I've noted about a 26-month turnover among both Paulbots and LaRouche-ites.

That's a relief! I guess. The question is - where are they going after their Paul love affair turns sour?

971 acwgusa  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 9:18:53am

re: #966 MandyManners

Is that what you kids are calling it nowadays?

Ghostbusters quote, kind of like

"Dogs and Cats, living together! Mass Hysteria!"

972 SasquatchOnSteroids  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 9:19:12am

re: #965 buzzsawmonkey

Some people claim that there was a Great Flood of Laughter in the past, and that all subsequent humor is derived from the risibilities preserved in Noah's Sarc.

Other people claim that humor evolved naturally, over a long period of time, that Noah's Sarc never existed, and that what we know as sarcasm occurs through the juxtaposition of random elements.

You're not human, are you ?

973 DaddyG  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 9:19:31am

re: #932 SasquatchOnSteroids

Socialists don't have to pay for nuffin'

Wheee.

That soon runs up against another truism. You get what you pay for.

974 Son of the Black Dog  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 9:19:43am

re: #947 HoosierHoops

Walk through any WAL-MART in Indiana...Lot's of overweight children..
Disturbing to say the least..

Is it my imagination, or are there a lot more morbidly obese people than there were, say, 40 years ago?

And the ones that aren't at Wal*Mart are at the Dollar Store.

/not sarc

975 reine.de.tout  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 9:20:07am

re: #972 SasquatchOnSteroids

You're not human, are you ?

I would think it would be exhausting to be inside Buzz's brain.

976 acwgusa  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 9:20:07am

re: #971 acwgusa

Ghostbusters quote, kind of like

"Dogs and Cats, living together! Mass Hysteria!"

"Ray, if someone asks you if you're a god, you say YES!"

977 [deleted]  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 9:20:18am
978 BlueCanuck  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 9:20:27am

re: #972 SasquatchOnSteroids

You're not human, are you ?

His brain has this twist in it. Thus explaining how he can rise to any occassion and do that voodoo that he does so well.

979 SasquatchOnSteroids  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 9:20:34am

re: #975 reine.de.tout

I would think it would be exhausting to be inside Buzz's brain.

I question if he sleeps at all.

980 right_wing2  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 9:20:57am

re: #969 Kenneth

Haven't seen that one, but 'Fantasy Mission Force' starts off as a WWII movie, with Gen. Abraham Lincoln getting captured. The end of the flick looks like something out of 'Mad Max'. Very confusing. Jackie Chan MIGHT get 10 min of screen time.

981 sattv4u2  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 9:21:15am

BBIAB

982 acwgusa  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 9:21:22am

re: #974 Son of the Black Dog

Is it my imagination, or are there a lot more morbidly obese people than there were, say, 40 years ago?

And the ones that aren't at Wal*Mart are at the Dollar Store.

/not sarc

40 years ago, there wasn't brain-rotting things like reality TV, and Internet forums. Plus, jobs weren't as sedentary as they are today. Most people spend their day plunked in front of monitors.

983 DaddyG  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 9:21:27am

re: #965 buzzsawmonkey

Some people claim that there was a Great Flood of Laughter in the past, and that all subsequent humor is derived from the risibilities preserved in Noah's Sarc.

Other people claim that humor evolved naturally, over a long period of time, that Noah's Sarc never existed, and that what we know as sarcasm occurs through the juxtaposition of random elements.


If you think thats difficult to understand just wait till we get to the verse about the Tower of Pablum.

984 SasquatchOnSteroids  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 9:21:57am

re: #977 buzzsawmonkey

I'm not sure what you mean by this, but I'll assume that it's complimentary.

Of course, buzz. We loves ya.

985 CyanSnowHawk  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 9:22:10am

re: #959 acwgusa

That's a big Twinkiee.

And here is a historical formation of Twinkies.

986 Charpete67  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 9:22:15am

re: #978 BlueCanuck

His brain has this twist in it. Thus explaining how he can rise to any occassion and do that voodoo that he does so well.

...suddenly I don't find sarcasm funny anymore now that it's been explained...

987 acwgusa  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 9:22:32am

re: #983 DaddyG

If you think thats difficult to understand just wait till we get to the verse about the Tower of Pablum.

Is that near the Leaning Tower of Pisa, or the Tower of Babel?

988 turn  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 9:23:10am

re: #975 reine.de.tout

I would think it would be exhausting to be inside Buzz's brain.

Hell, just trying to get wrapped around it is more than turn can muster. ha

989 CyanSnowHawk  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 9:23:47am

re: #973 DaddyG

That soon runs up against another truism. You get what you pay for.

They get real upset when you point that out. That very line is at the root of the current row I have with my moonbat sister.

990 sattv4u2  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 9:24:12am

re: #982 acwgusa

40 years ago, there wasn't brain-rotting things like reality TV, and Internet forums. Plus, jobs weren't as sedentary as they are today. Most people spend their day plunked in front of monitors.

ALSO ,,, 40 years ago we weren't saturated with the plethora of fast processed foods 24/7 (everything from McDonalds 3 meals a day to complete frozen dinners for the entire family)
We made dinners from scratch, leftovers for lunch and eggs of cereal fro breakfast

991 DaddyG  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 9:24:24am

re: #982 acwgusa

40 years ago, there wasn't brain-rotting things like reality TV, and Internet forums. Plus, jobs weren't as sedentary as they are today. Most people spend their day plunked in front of monitors.

1,000,000 years from now we will have evolved into a race of gelatinous brain sac creatures with well developed thumbs and huge bladders.

992 reine.de.tout  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 9:24:30am

re: #984 SasquatchOnSteroids

Of course, buzz. We loves ya.

Buzz is an absolute gem.

993 BlueCanuck  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 9:24:59am

re: #986 Charpete67

...suddenly I don't find sarcasm funny anymore now that it's been explained...

That's not an explanation per se. More like an observation. Besides sarcasm is cutting, satire is cutting wit. He does more satire then sarcasm.

994 capitalist piglet  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 9:25:17am

re: #992 reine.de.tout

Buzz is an absolute gem.

NO BUZZ, NO PEACE.

995 Kenneth  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 9:25:24am

re: #985 CyanSnowHawk

Spam Henge

996 SasquatchOnSteroids  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 9:25:32am

re: #992 reine.de.tout

Buzz is an absolute gem.

And a Buzz is a terrible thing to waste.
Keep posting, buddy.

997 acwgusa  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 9:25:44am

re: #990 sattv4u2

ALSO ,,, 40 years ago we weren't saturated with the plethora of fast processed foods 24/7 (everything from McDonalds 3 meals a day to complete frozen dinners for the entire family)
We made dinners from scratch, leftovers for lunch and eggs of cereal fro breakfast

And it was considered safe to let your children play in the street, and after dark.

Now, I have three different missing children apps on my iPhone.

998 SlartyBartfast  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 9:25:51am

OT, but I'm just throwing out an idea here. At yesterday's AARP Tele-Tubbie-Town-Hall meeting, BHO said:

And I got a letter the other day from a woman; she said, I don't want government-run health care, I don't want socialized medicine, and don't touch my Medicare. (Laughter.) And I wanted to say, well, I mean, that's what Medicare is, is it's a government-run health care plan that people are very happy with...[blah, blah, blah...]

It seems that every time he gives a speech he refers to some letter he received begging for Gubmint help.

I've decided it's time he received at least one letter with a dissenting viewpoint. What think ye, Lizards? Is it worth the postage to send a genuine letter to our Dear Leader?

999 midwestgak  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 9:26:00am

re: #821 reine.de.tout

reine, say it isn't so. This is horrendous. Among other disgusting things written there, "Under Obama's state apparatus, we can turn out a human being in just under a decade."

Isn't that what families do now?

Please tell me this is a sarcastic spoof written by The Onion. Please.

1000 acwgusa  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 9:26:50am

re: #991 DaddyG

1,000,000 years from now we will have evolved into a race of gelatinous brain sac creatures with well developed thumbs and huge bladders.

I know some people who have done that now. They're World of Warcraft players.

1001 BlueCanuck  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 9:26:57am

re: #988 turn

Hell, just trying to get wrapped around it is more than turn can muster. ha

How I see buzz's mind at work...

1002 CyanSnowHawk  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 9:27:02am

re: #974 Son of the Black Dog

Is it my imagination, or are there a lot more morbidly obese people than there were, say, 40 years ago?

And the ones that aren't at Wal*Mart are at the Dollar Store.

/not sarc

Not your imagination. Remember back in school when there was the 'one' fat kid that everybody picked on? No longer. I see it everywhere, especially when at a crowded public place like Disneyland for instance.

1003 right_wing2  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 9:27:04am

re: #990 sattv4u2

Didn't have 'supersize' everything, either, from candy bars to burgers to 40 oz drinks

1004 CynicalConservative  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 9:27:58am

---> look, something shiny!

1005 cagney  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 9:28:09am

A revealing insight from a BNP supporting site about antisemitism.

[Link: isupporttheresistance.blogspot.com...]

1006 Kenneth  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 9:28:11am

re: #999 midwestgak

Worse. It's a stealth website run by Ron Paul fans.

1007 MandyManners  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 9:28:49am

CNN is carrying FCBBHO's "rally" for health care reform.

1008 reine.de.tout  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 9:29:22am

re: #999 midwestgak

reine, say it isn't so. This is horrendous. Among other disgusting things written there, "Under Obama's state apparatus, we can turn out a human being in just under a decade."

Isn't that what families do now?

Please tell me this is a sarcastic spoof written by The Onion. Please.

It is a spoof, but not by the Onion.
Here's Killgore's research

1009 DaddyG  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 9:29:24am

There once was a monkey named Buzz
Who posted on LGF 'Cuz
He liked to rhyme
sacrasm sublime
As twisted as his mind was.

1010 reine.de.tout  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 9:31:11am

re: #1008 reine.de.tout

It is a spoof, but not by the Onion.
Here's Killgore's research

Oops,wrong link
here it is.

1011 Digital Display  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 9:32:25am

re: #974 Son of the Black Dog

Is it my imagination, or are there a lot more morbidly obese people than there were, say, 40 years ago?

And the ones that aren't at Wal*Mart are at the Dollar Store.

/not sarc


What's with parents now-a-days? They let their kids sit on their ass
eating sweets and playing Video games.. By the time they are 14 you'd have to send em to boot camp to get the weight down to normal...
Shameful parenting.. The only thing worse would be to let the Gov't mandate care...

1012 GGMac  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 9:35:00am

re: #942 reine.de.tout

Good digging!
The "leaders" of our local tea party movement are members of the "Constitution Party".

And one of the things I find so frightening about Ron Paul . . . so many of his supporters, as I've observed here where I am, are young folks. They are getting sucked in without knowing what they are getting sucked in to.

Yes - and part of what sucks them in is their immature and unrealistic assumption that if one thing (aspect of Paulians) is good, it must all be good.

Pet peeve: anyone too intellectually lazy to do their own research into the history of any politician's statements, beliefs, associates, friends, etc - from Obama to their local city council members. And the 'young folks' you cite are perfect examples, whether those ramping it up for Ron Paul/associates or those who put their children in that horrific "song for Obama our glorious dear leader" video during the campaign.

:) Hi, reine!

1013 [deleted]  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 9:35:08am
1014 Charpete67  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 9:35:31am

re: #1007 MandyManners

CNN is carrying FCBBHO's "rally" for health care reform.

more preaching to the choir

1015 lawhawk  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 9:35:42am

re: #929 right_wing2

I'd have to go with Brain Damage as the worst I ever watched. It's not even so bad that it becomes cheesy good. It's just bad.

1016 Creeping Eruption  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 9:35:45am

re: #1013 buzzsawmonkey

The irony is that clothes are getting skimpier as people are getting larger. That sort of thing can't go on forever.

One can only hope.

1017 SFGoth  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 9:35:49am

re: #993 BlueCanuck

That's not an explanation per se. More like an observation. Besides sarcasm is cutting, satire is cutting wit. He does more satire then sarcasm.

The difference between sarcasm and satire is the difference between a one-liner and a monologue.

1018 aggieann  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 9:36:40am

re: #990 sattv4u2

ALSO ,,, 40 years ago we weren't saturated with the plethora of fast processed foods 24/7 (everything from McDonalds 3 meals a day to complete frozen dinners for the entire family)
We made dinners from scratch, leftovers for lunch and eggs of cereal fro breakfast

I encourage all Lizards to read "Good Calories, Bad Calories" by Gary Taubes and/or "In Defense of Food" by Michael Pollan. In a nutshell, if your great-great-grandparents wouldn't recognize it as food, don't eat it.

1019 SFGoth  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 9:36:47am

re: #1000 acwgusa

I know some people who have done that now. They're World of Warcraft players.

Funny, Eric Bloom of Blue Oyster Cult is an avid Warcraft player, and aside from a slightly bulging gut (he *is* 64 after all), doesn't look anything like that description.

1020 BlueCanuck  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 9:38:21am

re: #1018 aggieann

If it contains the words "food", "processed", or "product" in the short description it's not food.

/good rules to go by IMHO

1021 SFGoth  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 9:40:33am

re: #1018 aggieann

I encourage all Lizards to read "Good Calories, Bad Calories" by Gary Taubes and/or "In Defense of Food" by Michael Pollan. In a nutshell, if your great-great-grandparents wouldn't recognize it as food, don't eat it.

The problem is, our great-great-grandfathers had our great-great-grandmothers to spend all day cooking for them. Many of us do not have the time. For breakie today, I microwaved a bunch of frozen veggies and dumped it in a can of TJ's veggie chile, but I just do not have time to get fresh veggies and make my own chile. Dinner last night (wasn't too hungry) was some microwaved chicken breast strips (no coating), with sauerkraut and hummus, followed by a bowl of frozen fruit (again, no sugar added). Am I getting too much preservatives? Probably. Would my life be better if I spent more time slaving away in the kitchen? No. (BTW, I'm 5'8/162 and I do occasionally work out.)

1022 SFGoth  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 9:41:11am

re: #1020 BlueCanuck

If it contains the words "food", "processed", or "product" in the short description it's not food.

/good rules to go by IMHO

What? "Chinese food" isn't food? (What do they call Chinese food in China?)

1023 Creeping Eruption  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 9:43:23am

re: #1022 SFGoth

What? "Chinese food" isn't food? (What do they call Chinese food in China?)

Fewd

1024 acwgusa  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 9:50:21am

re: #1023 Creeping Eruption

Or, in LolCAT, Fud.

1025 GGMac  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 9:51:51am

re: #977 buzzsawmonkey

I'm not sure what you mean by this, but I'll assume that it's complimentary.


You are our very own National Lizardom Treasure, and not the least of that honor being due to your gift of knowing precisely when to interject wit, mere humor, harsh reality, spirituality, deep intellect, or silliness - and, most appreciated - you consistantly and graciously consider other Lizards' opinions. And - you know when to dish it out, and when to take it.

1026 Mad Al-Jaffee  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 9:53:22am

re: #985 CyanSnowHawk

[Link: www.carhenge.com...]

1027 Son of the Black Dog  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 10:05:26am

re: #1011 HoosierHoops

What's with parents now-a-days? They let their kids sit on their ass
eating sweets and playing Video games.. By the time they are 14 you'd have to send em to boot camp to get the weight down to normal...
Shameful parenting.. The only thing worse would be to let the Gov't mandate care...

I have a theory, for which I have absolutely no proof, that the rise in obesity (and a lot of other socially undesirable traits) is the result of the increased percentage of single parent families and/or families where both parents work full time. Where: 1) the number of single parent families has been caused by government policies (welfare, dramatic increase in unwed mothers, ease and acceptability of divorce, etc.); and 2) the number of families where both parents work has been caused by the increase in the total tax burden (income tax(es), FICA, property, sales, etc.).

1028 John Neverbend  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 10:21:20am

re: #1027 Son of the Black Dog

I have a theory, for which I have absolutely no proof...

Like Anne Elk, I have a theory, based upon some observations. In the US Congress, malignancy &#8733 1/height.

1029 Egregious Philbin  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 1:04:10pm

Just had a look at Freeperville...

Dum dum dum dum dummm

They have no idea how much they are hurting conservatism.


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