Steele: Obama is a ‘US Citizen’

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RNC chairman Michael Steele risks the wrath of the Nirth Certifikit horde.

Chairman Steele believes that this is an unnecessary distraction and believes that the president is a U.S. citizen. Chairman Steele wants to move beyond this conversation and continue discussing the real and immediate concerns that face American families like the economy and health care. Americans are concerned with President Obama’s health care plan, a failed stimulus package and a ballooning deficit. Chairman Steele has many other issues to take up with the president that have to do with policy, not a birth certificate.

Steele needs to make sure his memo is read by The Birthers in Congress.

Sen. Jim Inhofe, R-Okla.: Probably the know-nothingest member of the Senate, Inhofe thinks climate change is “the greatest hoax ever perpetrated on the American people.” Coming in second, presumably, is the current fraudulent presidency. The Oklahoma conservative recently told Politico that the Birthers “have a point,” adding, “I don’t discourage it … But I’m going to pursue defeating [Obama] on things that I think are very destructive to America.” In a later clarification, he accused the White House of not doing “a very good job of dispelling the concerns of these citizens.”

Sen. Richard Shelby, R-Ala.: Asked about the president’s eligibility at an Alabama town hall meeting back in February, Shelby said, “Well, his father was Kenyan and they said he was born in Hawaii, but I haven’t seen any birth certificate. You have to be born in America to be president.” Almost immediately afterward, his spokesperson was saying that the local paper had distorted what happened, adding, “While [Shelby] hasn’t personally seen the president’s birth certificate, he is confident that the matter has been thoroughly examined.”

Rep. Marsha Blackburn, R-Tenn.: This Tennessee politician, a co-sponsor of the Posey bill, trusts that the president is a natural-born citizen, says a spokesperson. She just thinks it’s mighty odd that candidates for office don’t have to meet “the same basic identifying standard as a 16-year-old Tennessean aspiring to a driver’s license.” Obviously, as government bloats and journalism withers, the DMV is much easier to trick than the international media.

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658 comments
1 turn  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 9:27:49am

I sure hope the GOP can put this nirther embarrassment behind them come 2010 but it’s going to leave a scar at the very least.

2 Jack Burton  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 9:28:12am

Calls for him to step down by talk radio hosts in 5, 4, 3, 2…

3 Ben Hur  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 9:29:15am

Yes, but is Steele?

4 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 9:29:42am

Picking #186

5 CIA Reject  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 9:29:45am

I admire Mr. Steele a lot, and I hope this is the start of him telling certain people in the GOP to STFD and STFU - because they SEVERELY need telling!

6 Killgore Trout  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 9:30:38am
7 Ben Hur  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 9:31:42am

I am not a Nirther.

But I will tell you that the amount of and type of attention this is getting compared to the attention given to the 9/11 Troofers is infuriating.

Where are those guys today, anyway?

8 Killgore Trout  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 9:31:49am

re: #5 CIA Reject

I admire Mr. Steele a lot, and I hope this is the start of him telling certain people in the GOP to STFD and STFU - because they SEVERELY need telling!

Steele is hanging on by a thread. He almost got booted for pissing off Rush a few months ago. Even this might get him booted.

9 DaddyG  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 9:31:55am

In other news fish gotta swim, birds gotta fly and black holes still suck.

/Is that racist?

10 DaddyG  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 9:32:22am

re: #7 Ben Hur

I am not a Nirther.

But I will tell you that the amount of and type of attention this is getting compared to the attention given to the 9/11 Troofers is infuriating.

Where are those guys today, anyway?

If we told you we’d have to kill you. /

11 CIA Reject  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 9:32:22am

re: #8 Killgore Trout

Steele is hanging on by a thread. He almost got booted for pissing off Rush a few months ago. Even this might get him booted.

I’m hoping not.

12 reine.de.tout  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 9:32:33am

re: #5 CIA Reject

I admire Mr. Steele a lot, and I hope this is the start of him telling certain people in the GOP to STFD and STFU - because they SEVERELY need telling!

I hope Steele finds his voice, too. Somebody needs to …

13 shiplord kirel  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 9:32:43am

In retrospect, Steele should have spoken out about this months ago but reasonable people could not have predicted this insanity would persist at all, let alone continue to grow until it became a serious electoral liability.

14 Ben Hur  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 9:33:16am

And I’m 100% convinced that if McCain were POTUS, teh left would be up to their noses in this type of sh*t, and it would be taken a lot more seriously, with the MSM whipping out “questions still remain” BS.

15 SlartyBartfast  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 9:33:20am

The Nirthers need to be grouped with the Troofers and Whoopie Goldberg. The media will surely attempt the following characterization:

Republican = Nirther
Nirther = Nut
Ergo,
Republican = Nut.

16 ExPatriot  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 9:33:28am

why won’t obama release his long-form birth certificate? i find this bashing of “nirthers” to be distasteful. look, it may be excessive, but I think it is based more on well-deserved skepticism of Obama than the kind of unhinged stupidity that some try to pose it as. why won’t he release it? not a nirther, but would love an explanation. thanks.

17 Jack Burton  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 9:33:45am

re: #7 Ben Hur

I am not a Nirther.

But I will tell you that the amount of and type of attention this is getting compared to the attention given to the 9/11 Troofers is infuriating.

Where are those guys today, anyway?

Many of the 9/11 troofers are nirthers.

18 badger1970  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 9:33:46am

John Hinderaker sums it up the best:

“Moreover, it’s too late: any birther who seriously thinks that President Obama will someday be marched out of the White House by policemen, the *real* circumstances of his birth having been revealed, is as crazy as a truther.

So, birthers, give it a rest. Focus on President Obama’s ideological errors and his many policy blunders. We conservatives are better than our opponents. Let’s keep it that way.”

19 DaddyG  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 9:33:48am

re: #8 Killgore Trout

Steele is hanging on by a thread. He almost got booted for pissing off Rush a few months ago. Even this might get him booted.


I am a GOP loyalist because I fear braking the party apart would fragment the conservative vote for the forseeable future. However, if they booted Steele for common sense I’d have some grave reservations about staying. (Where is that WHIG party office?)

20 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 9:33:53am

re: #7 Ben Hur

I am not a Nirther.

But I will tell you that the amount of and type of attention this is getting compared to the attention given to the 9/11 Troofers is infuriating.

Where are those guys today, anyway?

The same place they always are, Ben: In their mothers’ basements, eating pizza and drinking Mt. Dew, whilst posting rambling, incoherent screeds against The Man (tm).

/And I’m only half-sarcastic… see if you can figure out which half.

21 Ben Hur  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 9:34:23am

I’d rather see his grades.

22 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 9:34:26am

Think the MFMSM coverage is bad now, wait ‘til the ‘10 elections.

23 jaunte  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 9:34:42am

Stop the self-abuse, nirthers. You’ll go blind.

24 SasquatchOnSteroids  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 9:34:56am

This will be interesting to see how much power the Nirthers think they wield vs. how much power I think they wield.

I will not delude myself. If he’s forced to step down, well, shit.

25 DaddyG  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 9:35:33am

re: #22 Cannadian Club Akbar

Think the MFMSM coverage is bad now, wait ‘til the ‘10 elections.

Most cannibals sympathize with GOP on political issues… story at 11. /

26 [deleted]  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 9:36:06am
27 shane  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 9:36:12am

This will work out good for the democrats. They can say we are all idoits and loons and point to this stupid conspiracy about birth certificates and they will be right. Christ what would it matter at this point if he was born over seas? Isn’t Obama’s extremely socialist agenda easy enough to attack? Shouldn’t we focus on the stupidity and corruption of the democrats instead of chasing f”’kin bigfoot?

28 Dianna  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 9:36:16am

Good for him.

Here’s to his drip-dry titanium vest and all who sail in her!

29 DaddyG  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 9:36:26am

Its been a fun cup o noodles and a 15 minute break but I’m back to the salt mines. Later!

30 Honorary Yooper  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 9:36:31am

re: #21 Ben Hur

I’d rather see his grades.

I’d have rather seen his papers he wrote before the election. Those would be more telling, IMHO.

Oh well, it doesn’t much matter now.

31 turn  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 9:36:43am

oh boy only took 16, here they come. bbl to see what gets whacked.

32 Desert Dog  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 9:36:48am

re: #7 Ben Hur

I am not a Nirther.

But I will tell you that the amount of and type of attention this is getting compared to the attention given to the 9/11 Troofers is infuriating.

Where are those guys today, anyway?

Well, they don’t make the Republicans look bad anymore, so “bu-bye” to them. The Nirthers, on the other hand, make them look really bad, so let’s roll them out every time they burp.

We have some idiots in Congress giving these Birth Certificate idiots some credibility, and, of course, the actual brainless loonies themselves running around screaming, but here’s the Chairman of the Republican National Committee saying it’s a bunch of crap. Yet, this is still considered “Official Policy of the Republican Party” by some people. Newsflash, it’s not.

33 Ben Hur  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 9:37:11am

I’m just sayin that the Troofer movement, that accused a US President, etc of collusion with foreign terrorists (or Israel) in the mass murder of 3000 American civilians, was no where near as mocked as these people are.

34 Idle Drifter  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 9:37:41am

About time, this nirther ghoul should have been staked a long time.

35 capitalist piglet  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 9:37:50am

re: #21 Ben Hur

I’d rather see his grades.

Not going to happen. It might interfere with the Smartest President Ever™ meme, and they need to keep that one going.

36 [deleted]  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 9:37:51am
37 Ben Hur  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 9:38:15am

Now, if they could prove that it was a virgin birth…

38 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 9:38:36am

re: #33 Ben Hur

I’m just sayin that the Troofer movement, that accused a US President, etc of collusion with foreign terrorists (or Israel) in the mass murder of 3000 American civilians, was no where near as mocked as these people are.

It does depend on the circles you run in. I read Screw Loose Change regularly, and believe me, there’s a good number of people that make it a daily business to mercilessly rip these people apart. That being said, I do also agree that they could use a bit more of a public expose.

39 Ben Hur  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 9:39:11am

re: #17 ArchangelMichael

Many of the 9/11 troofers are nirthers.


Noorfers?
Trirthers?
WTF are we gonna call the hybrids?

40 ExPatriot  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 9:39:21am

can someone advise why he won’t release his long-form birth certificate?

41 CIA Reject  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 9:39:26am

re: #12 reine.de.tout

I hope Steele finds his voice, too. Somebody needs to …


Hi Reine!

IMHO what the GOP needs now is a SERIOUS dose of reality to understand that they live under constant scrutiny of a hostile news media, a simple straightforward coherent message that the hostile media will have difficulty distorting, and some firm discipline to keep everybody on-message and out of “rubber room territory”.

Some serious opposition research on the hostile media wouldn’t hurt either.

42 Honorary Yooper  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 9:39:35am

re: #37 Ben Hur

Now, if they could prove that it was a virgin birth…

Don’t tempt the Democrats. ;-)

43 [deleted]  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 9:39:42am
44 jaunte  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 9:39:43am

re: #39 Ben Hur

“Alex Jones”

45 [deleted]  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 9:40:01am
46 Ben Hur  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 9:40:06am

re: #40 ExPatriot

can someone advise why he won’t release his long-form birth certificate?

Because he probably wasn’t born in the US.

47 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 9:40:08am

re: #44 jaunte

“Alex Jones”

One thousand updings be upon you for that one.

48 ExPatriot  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 9:40:27am

you’re not answering my question. not a nirther here, but you’re making me think i should be one

49 Idle Drifter  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 9:40:38am

re: #44 jaunte

“Alex Jones”

Breakout the silver bullets.

50 Creeping Eruption  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 9:41:03am

re: #39 Ben Hur

Noorfers?
Trirthers?
WTF are we gonna call the hybrids?

Troo-Nirthers - Hyphens are all the rage after all.

51 midwestgak  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 9:41:07am

The political alchemy of birtherism
By Joel B. Pollak
I’ve seen how conspiracy theories can threaten a democracy.

In 2005, when I was working as a speechwriter in the South African parliament, a far-left faction of the ruling African National Congress spun a yarn that accused the leader of the opposition, the intelligence minister, and the Mossad of colluding to frame Jacob Zuma, the faction’s chosen presidential candidate.

Intelligence agents loyal to Zuma bugged the opposition’s parliamentary offices and produced a bogus document that they claimed was a transcript of Internet chats between Zuma’s supposed opponents.

It was all nonsense, but the conspiracy theory galvanized Zuma’s supporters, who soon pushed him to the top of the ruling party and the country, trampling the rule of law in the process.

Here in the United States, the conspiracy theory that alleges that President Barack Obama faked his American birth is likewise troubling. Rather than propelling Republicans to power, however, the “Birther” theory is being used by Democrats and their media allies to isolate and undermine the opposition.

52 vxbush  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 9:41:14am

re: #46 Ben Hur

Because he probably wasn’t born in the US.

Are you serious, Ben? That puts you into nirther territory.

53 Honorary Yooper  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 9:41:53am

re: #48 ExPatriot

you’re not answering my question. not a nirther here, but you’re making me think i should be one

Why does he need to release the long-form? He’s released what is necessary, and the State of Hawai’i (including the GOP governor) has confirmed it.

54 Bloodnok  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 9:42:05am

re: #43 MikeySDCA

Almost undoubtedly the original certificate has a “Race” box, in which he is listed as White.

“Almost undoubtedly”? This one is on its way to being as bad as “born outside the US”.

55 experiencedtraveller  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 9:42:29am

OT: Tomorrow is the 40 day anniversery of the death of Neda Agha-Soltan. Important date in Shia mourning etc.

Opposition leader strongly calls for public event.

Coming soon to a HDTV near you…

56 Ben Hur  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 9:42:34am

re: #52 vxbush

Shh!

57 ExPatriot  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 9:42:37am

you’re still not answering my question. why hasn’t he released it?

58 Jack Burton  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 9:42:41am

re: #39 Ben Hur


WTF are we gonna call the hybrids?

“People who listen to Alex Jones Radio show” the one word version of that for me is: “kook”

59 reine.de.tout  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 9:42:54am

re: #41 CIA Reject

Hi Reine!

IMHO what the GOP needs now is a SERIOUS dose of reality to understand that they live under constant scrutiny of a hostile news media, a simple straightforward coherent message that the hostile media will have difficulty distorting, and some firm discipline to keep everybody on-message and out of “rubber room territory”.

Some serious opposition research on the hostile media wouldn’t hurt either.

Yes!
Who is this person?
Where is this person?
You and I can contribute in small part, by contacting our legislators and congress-critters, but where is the strong leader who will come out and do just these things?

60 SasquatchOnSteroids  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 9:43:12am

re: #17 ArchangelMichael

Many of the 9/11 troofers are nirthers.

Storm troofers and Nirth herders. What is this, Star Wars VII ?

61 [deleted]  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 9:43:24am
62 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 9:43:31am

In Florida, you don’t chose a “RACE” box. But you MUST pick a Jimmy Buffet song.
/

63 JustABill  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 9:43:33am

re: #9 DaddyG

In other news fish gotta swim, birds gotta fly and black holes still suck.

/Is that racist?

as long as you don’t have to love one man till you die, your ok…

/too obscure?

64 SlartyBartfast  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 9:43:36am

re: #40 ExPatriot

can someone advise why he won’t release his long-form birth certificate?

One possibility, as Mikey said, “Almost undoubtedly the original certificate has a “Race” box, in which he is listed as White.”

Maybe the document number ends in “666”. Wouldn’t that cause a stir?

Maybe it says the baby has a really large pair of ears…maybe, maybe, maybe…

Releasing the long form is not a requirement. It’s subject to some privacy protection.

65 Idle Drifter  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 9:43:36am

re: #57 ExPatriot

you’re still not answering my question. why hasn’t he released it?

Go ask him.

66 lawhawk  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 9:43:38am

re: #36 buzzsawmonkey

Troofer the price of one!

And Alex Jones gets the group discount on crazy-stupid.

67 Honorary Yooper  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 9:43:40am

re: #57 ExPatriot

you’re still not answering my question. why hasn’t he released it?

See my #53.

68 [deleted]  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 9:43:45am
69 vxbush  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 9:43:57am

re: #60 SasquatchOnSteroids

Storm troofers and Nirth herders. What is this, Star Wars VII ?

Oh, Bravo! Multiple updings if I could.

70 Desert Dog  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 9:44:01am

re: #15 SlartyBartfast

The Nirthers need to be grouped with the Troofers and Whoopie Goldberg. The media will surely attempt the following characterization:

Republican = Nirther
Nirther = Nut
Ergo,
Republican = Nut.

They are no longer attempting, they have succeeded…just like the tags of “racist”, “Nazis”, “out of touch”, “fringe” and other assorted slurs and outright lies have sunken from the neverending constant drumbeat…

Based on what I have read lately, because I am a Republican, I apparently also want dirty water, dirty air, the earth to die, nuclear waste, war with everyone, old people to die, young people to starve…AND, I am a Nazi, a racist, a cold-hearted fatcat that hates the little people, kook that thinks Obama is a Sekrit Muslim & non-citizen and a prisoner to profits over all else. It must really suck to be me…Why on earth would I want to be a Republican…they are all evil!

/

71 BlueCanuck  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 9:44:12am

re: #39 Ben Hur

Noorfers?
Trirthers?
WTF are we gonna call the hybrids?

Nutty Buddies?

72 CIA Reject  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 9:44:14am

re: #59 reine.de.tout

Yes!
Who is this person?
Where is this person?
You and I can contribute in small part, by contacting our legislators and congress-critters, but where is the strong leader who will come out and do just these things?

I think Steele is going to give it his best shot- I wish him all the luck in the world because I think he’ll need most of it!

73 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 9:44:15am

re: #62 Cannadian Club Akbar

choose…PIMF

74 jaunte  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 9:44:17am

re: #57 ExPatriot

He hasn’t released it to keep the opposition off balance. As long as the focus is on his birth certificate, that much attention is taken off off his policies.

75 jaunte  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 9:44:39am

of

76 JustABill  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 9:44:53am

re: #37 Ben Hur

Now, if they could prove that it was a virgin birth…

But then he wouldn’t be any percent black/african.

77 reine.de.tout  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 9:45:29am

re: #40 ExPatriot

can someone advise why he won’t release his long-form birth certificate?

What he has has been released.
And what he has is perfectly acceptable for any reason a person would need a birth certificate (social security number, passport,etc).
I know this because what I have is the same thing he has, a Certificate of Live Birth, because my “long form” was lost many many many years ago.
And the replacement they issued to me was my state’s version of the Certificate of Live Birth that Obama has, and which has been released.

Why is that so hard to understand?

78 CyanSnowHawk  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 9:45:36am

re: #16 ExPatriot

why won’t obama release his long-form birth certificate? i find this bashing of “nirthers” to be distasteful. look, it may be excessive, but I think it is based more on well-deserved skepticism of Obama than the kind of unhinged stupidity that some try to pose it as. why won’t he release it? not a nirther, but would love an explanation. thanks.

Even if it still exists, releasing the long form cert is against Obama’s interests. A disturbingly large group of very tenacious critics are completely bound up chasing a red herring. Take away the herring and they might find something valid and pursue it with the same tenacity, and that ignores the value of the discredit that the Nirthers bring to Obama’s other opponents.

79 ExPatriot  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 9:45:39am

if he had nothing to hide, he’d release it.

80 Flyovercountry  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 9:45:52am

This is the problem with the conservative movement in America today. Just when we find an avenue to win in the arena of ideas and with the merits of our intellectual arguments, along comes a nirther or a creationist, or a whatever carrying a picture of an aborted fetus. Nuts exist on both sides of the aisle. I am much more annoyed by the nuts on my side than on the other. I am looking forward to the formation of the Sane party, (which I believe was posited here at LGF.) Whoever is in charge of that, please get started.

81 Creeping Eruption  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 9:46:09am

re: #77 reine.de.tout

What he has has been released.
And what he has is perfectly acceptable for any reason a person would need a birth certificate (social security number, passport,etc).
I know this because what I have is the same thing he has, a Certificate of Live Birth, because my “long form” was lost many many many years ago.
And the replacement they issued to me was my state’s version of the Certificate of Live Birth that Obama has, and which has been released.

Why is that so hard to understand?

But …but . .

82 aggieann  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 9:46:22am

re: #7 Ben Hur

I am not a Nirther.

But I will tell you that the amount of and type of attention this is getting compared to the attention given to the 9/11 Troofers is infuriating.

Where are those guys today, anyway?

What I don’t understand is why they’re not going after the documents that really do need scrutiny, such as o’s grades, academic papers, etc.

83 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 9:46:27am

re: #79 ExPatriot

So you’re President Obama now? You know exactly what he’d do?

84 CIA Reject  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 9:46:38am

re: #79 ExPatriot

if he had nothing to hide, he’d release it.

Why do you think he’s not releasing it?

85 Ben Hur  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 9:46:39am

re: #76 JustABill

But then he wouldn’t be any percent black/african.

Image: black_jesus_screen.jpg

86 MandyManners  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 9:46:47am

re: #79 ExPatriot

Oh, for pity’s sake.

87 Idle Drifter  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 9:46:55am

re: #79 ExPatriot

if he had nothing to hide, he’d release it.

Just drop it already ya kook.

88 HoosierHoops  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 9:46:56am

re: #48 ExPatriot

you’re not answering my question. not a nirther here, but you’re making me think i should be one


oh jeez..Do a search here…That question has been answered a million times…
/but maybe you should be a nither…Just remember it’s more fun to jump of a cliff than walk off one.
// have a nice flight

89 ExPatriot  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 9:46:58am

look, i don’t really give a shit about his birth certificate, but i think it is silly to attack people for being skeptical about a guy who has proven that he is full of shit

90 vxbush  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 9:47:07am

re: #79 ExPatriot

if he had nothing to hide, he’d release it.

He does have something to hide: his real agenda. That’s why he’s pushing all these bills through the House and Senate as fast as he can without allowing people to read them (with the help of Reid and Pelosi, of course).

91 jaunte  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 9:47:08am

“Dance, nirthers, dance.”
— Barack Obama

92 unrealizedviewpoint  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 9:47:44am

What does “ExPatriot” mean?

93 wiffersnapper  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 9:47:54am

Thanks for using some common sense, Mr. Steele.

94 ExPatriot  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 9:48:04am

having fun making fun of nirthers, that’s what this is about. you guys complain and complain, but isn’t it great feeling superior to all those wackos out there? that’s what this is about.

95 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 9:48:20am

Our resident troll has 12 total posts, half of them in this thread. I’m calling GAZE.

96 reine.de.tout  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 9:48:20am

re: #90 vxbush

He does have something to hide: his real agenda. That’s why he’s pushing all these bills through the House and Senate as fast as he can without allowing people to read them (with the help of Reid and Pelosi, of course).

And all the focus on silly birth certificate issues is a distraction from those very real and serious issues.

97 SasquatchOnSteroids  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 9:48:21am

re: #71 BlueCanuck

Nutty Buddies?

Aww, man, I love those damn things, I think they’re called Nutter Butters.
I won’t be able to eat them without thinking about that now.
But I will get over it,
nomnomnomnom.

98 SixDegrees  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 9:48:23am

re: #57 ExPatriot

you’re still not answering my question. why hasn’t he released it?

Why haven’t you released yours?

More to the point: why haven’t the nirthers released any actual evidence that 0 was born anywhere but in the US? He’s already proven that he’s a US citizen to the satisfaction of all reasonable people; ranting “Well, I say he isn’t; prove me WRONG!” is a demand for a negative prove (a logical fallacy) as well as a demand for proof of innocence (a legal non-starter). If there’s actual evidentiary proof that he’s NOT a citizen, let’s see it. Otherwise, please move to the corner where the Bigfoot supporters, Troofers and Bilderberg advocates are publicly masturbating.

99 capitalist piglet  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 9:48:41am

re: #72 CIA Reject

I think Steele is going to give it his best shot- I wish him all the luck in the world because I think he’ll need most of it!

I was rooting for Steele when the votes were taking place, and I was extremely disappointed that he sat there nodding, glassy-eyed, when liberal talk show hosts were accusing the GOP of being racist. He didn’t even attempt to object, which was shocking, in my view.

He seems to have found a better groove recently, so I’m hopeful.

100 Honorary Yooper  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 9:48:41am

re: #79 ExPatriot

if he had nothing to hide, he’d release it.

OK, after you’ve been told why, you persist in being obtuse. I suspect you of trolling.

GAZE, dipstick.

101 Idle Drifter  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 9:48:43am

re: #89 ExPatriot

Stop trolling with kook talking points.

102 Desert Dog  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 9:48:55am

re: #90 vxbush

He does have something to hide: his real agenda. That’s why he’s pushing all these bills through the House and Senate as fast as he can without allowing people to read them (with the help of Reid and Pelosi, of course).

This nirther nonsense is providing some much needed cover for him too…good job you asshatted loonies

103 SixDegrees  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 9:49:04am

re: #4 Cannadian Club Akbar

Picking #186

Boy, were you off. It only took ‘til #40.

104 jaunte  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 9:49:07am

Conspiracies are everywhere.

“I’m tempted to say it’s one huge joke,” Oleko said.

“But when you try to tell the victims that their penises are still there, they tell you that it’s become tiny or that they’ve become impotent. To that I tell them, ‘How do you know if you haven’t gone home and tried it’,” he said.
[Link: www.reuters.com…]

105 Idle Drifter  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 9:49:12am

re: #94 ExPatriot

Troll

106 jhrhv  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 9:49:18am

Steele seems like a really good man. I enjoy listening to him speak as he is one of the few leaders in the GOP who makes sense these days. I hope he can lead the party out of the wilderness.

107 Bloodnok  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 9:49:26am

re: #89 ExPatriot

look, i don’t really give a shit about his birth certificate, but i think it is silly to attack people for being skeptical about a guy who has proven that he is full of shit

Considering the fact that 6 of your 12 total comments at LGF are complaining that he has not released it I am tempted to say you might just give a s**t.

108 BlueCanuck  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 9:49:40am

re: #89 ExPatriot

look, i don’t really give a shit about his birth certificate, but i think it is silly to attack people for being skeptical about a guy who has proven that he is full of shit

Alright, he’s full of it. Trying to claim something that is pure silliness won’t win you friends or influence the people you want.

109 ExPatriot  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 9:49:51am

my view is that perhaps Charles should post some kind of definitive debunking of the nirther conspiracy and then be done with it. but then that would staunch all the self-righteous preening, right?

110 Kenneth  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 9:49:53am

“I stand with you, my fellow upper-middle class ivy-league educated best-selling author tricycle riding black men!” -BHO

111 jcm  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 9:50:17am

re: #92 unrealizedviewpoint

What does “ExPatriot” mean?

Expatriate?
Common usage someone who lives outside the US.

112 vxbush  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 9:50:44am

re: #109 ExPatriot

my view is that perhaps Charles should post some kind of definitive debunking of the nirther conspiracy and then be done with it. but then that would staunch all the self-righteous preening, right?

Wow, you didn’t even think about searching LGF, did you?

Loser.

113 SixDegrees  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 9:50:48am

re: #79 ExPatriot

if he had nothing to hide, he’d release it.

He’d release…nothing? Congratulations on outing your explicit demand for a negative proof and elucidating the fallacy behind your request, all in one sentence.

114 midwestgak  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 9:50:57am

re: #89 ExPatriot

hum. Expatriot. What a nic. Even Michelle Obama is now proud of her country. What gives?

115 CIA Reject  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 9:51:03am

re: #99 capitalist piglet

I was rooting for Steele when the votes were taking place, and I was extremely disappointed that he sat there nodding, glassy-eyed, when liberal talk show hosts were accusing the GOP of being racist. He didn’t even attempt to object, which was shocking, in my view.

He seems to have found a better groove recently, so I’m hopeful.

I think he’s growing into the job and I hope he’s spent the last few months doing his homework to organize an effective opposition. I also think he had to wait awhile for people in the GOP to show their true colors- which appears to be happening now…

116 Honorary Yooper  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 9:51:04am

re: #109 ExPatriot

my view is that perhaps Charles should post some kind of definitive debunking of the nirther conspiracy and then be done with it. but then that would staunch all the self-righteous preening, right?

He has, several times over, if you’d bother to look. You are trolling and nothing more. Whose sock puppet are you?

117 jcm  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 9:51:25am

re: #111 jcm

Expatriate?
Common usage someone who lives outside the US.

Opps missed miscreant.

In this case someone living outside sanity.

118 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 9:51:36am

re: #103 SixDegrees

Boy, were you off. It only took ‘til #40.

I know. I owe EVERYONE a beer.

119 ExPatriot  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 9:51:36am

re: #111 jcm

think it through dude. expatriate means i live outside the US. ExPatriot implies that I live outside the US, but still love my country

120 HoosierHoops  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 9:51:36am

re: #94 ExPatriot
You are a piece of work.. What version of the script are you using to post? Revision 4.6.1 has been out for several weeks…
You can go to any Ron Paul Site and get the upgrade.

121 Idle Drifter  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 9:51:53am

re: #109 ExPatriot

Nothing Charles can post will satisfy the nirthers. They’ll simply demand more proof or say Charles is a part of the conspiracy.

122 Pvt Bin Jammin  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 9:51:57am

Morning lizards. Meat for breakfast today?

123 fluffy bunny  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 9:52:11am

re: #80 Flyovercountry

Sane Person’s Party:

Article I
Nirther nitwittery will result in automatic ejection from the party.

124 Honorary Yooper  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 9:52:16am
ExPatriot

Karma: -37
Registered since: Feb 24, 2009 at 5:55 pm
(Logged in)

No. of comments posted: 15
No. of links posted: 0

Sockie, anyone?

125 BlueCanuck  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 9:52:30am

re: #109 ExPatriot

Obviously you haven’t seen any of the Nirth certifikate stories that Charles has been posting on since this subject reared it’s ugly head.

126 jaunte  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 9:52:31am

It’s a good thing for the administration’s agenda that this distraction be kept alive. Those who keep it alive are either useful dupes, or actively trolling to aid the administration.

127 ExPatriot  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 9:52:42am

re: #116 Honorary Yooper

actually, back from the bar and don’t post much here. used to really like this site, but have been dismayed by the mean-spirited bashing of late. would you believe I don’t even know what a “troll” or a “sock puppet” is?

128 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 9:52:46am

re: #120 HoosierHoops

You are a piece of work.. What version of the script are you using to post? Revision 4.6.1 has been out for several weeks…
You can go to any Ron Paul Site and get the upgrade.

I had to upding this because it hits so close to home. Dingbats always stick to a script; if you can force them off-script, they’re hosed. Then they bluster about “just asking questions” and eventually bugger off.

129 reine.de.tout  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 9:52:46am

re: #108 BlueCanuck

Alright, he’s full of it. Trying to claim something that is pure silliness won’t win you friends or influence the people you want.

I’m not a nirther, but
I don’t give a shit about the birth certificate, but

Whenever there’s a “but” in the sentence, you can be sure that what they say they’re not, is really what they are.

130 Ward Cleaver  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 9:52:58am

re: #2 ArchangelMichael

Calls for him to step down by talk radio hosts in 5, 4, 3, 2…

You can’t put Hugh Hewitt on that list. He was taking a dig at the nirthers (he even uses the term nirthers) on his show last week, along with James Lileks, questioning whether Lileks really was born in Fargo, North Dakota, and demanding to see Lileks’ birth certificate.

131 ExPatriot  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 9:53:24am

re: #121 Idle Drifter

actually no. do me a favor. just post a link to charles’s best explanation…

132 iceweasel  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 9:53:34am

re: #16 ExPatriot

why won’t obama release his long-form birth certificate? i find this bashing of “nirthers” to be distasteful. look, it may be excessive, but I think it is based more on well-deserved skepticism of Obama than the kind of unhinged stupidity that some try to pose it as. why won’t he release it? not a nirther, but would love an explanation. thanks.

I find the ongoing lunacy of nirthers and their defenders to be distasteful. Their demands are not based on ‘well-deserved scepticism’; they’re based on some kind of fantasy that Obama is somehow ‘not one of us’ and his presidency is somehow illegitimate.

Nothing will placate them. There is, quite literally, nothing Obama or anyone can say or do to placate them. This isn’t about his birth certificate. It’s been produced; it’s been verified.

Here’s a little gem I found at WingNut Daily yesterday (I refuse to link them):

Obama has not released his kindergarten records, Punahou school records, Occidental College records, Columbia University records, Columbia thesis, Harvard Law School records, Harvard Law Review articles, scholarly articles from the University of Chicago, passport, medical records, files from his years as an Illinois state senator, Illinois State Bar Association records, any baptism records and his adoption records.

The demands for the nirth certifikat will never end. They’ll always move the goalposts and demand something else. The not-so-sub subtext here is “Obama doesn’t deserve to be POTUS; Obama is not one of us”.

133 MandyManners  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 9:53:35am

re: #94 ExPatriot

Oh, go piss up a rope.

134 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 9:54:01am

re: #122 Pvt Bin Jammin

Morning lizards. Meat for breakfast today?

Yes. You’ll see it…

135 jcm  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 9:54:02am

re: #124 Honorary Yooper

Sockie, anyone?

Sweat sock; left in the locker unwashed all summer.

136 Honorary Yooper  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 9:54:08am

re: #131 ExPatriot

actually no. do me a favor. just post a link to charles’s best explanation…

Run a search, lazy troll.

137 Flyovercountry  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 9:54:09am

ExPatriot,

Here’s the problem. In order to be on the ballot in all 50 states, Obama had to show a valid Birth Certificate to the election officials in each state. The Birth Certificate he showed, to 50 sets of election officials, is considered a valid Birth Certificate by every conceivable official in this Nation. Any question of this document is beyond idiocy. Plainly and simply, it is craziness. It is difficult to be diplomatic, because the same idiotic statements and questions keep being asked. It is like a creationist asking the same, “questions,” which would have been answered in the most basic high school science courses. I am sorry, but people just get plain tired of repeatedly going over the same ground over and over and over again.

138 SixDegrees  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 9:54:25am

re: #109 ExPatriot

my view is that perhaps Charles should post some kind of definitive debunking of the nirther conspiracy and then be done with it. but then that would staunch all the self-righteous preening, right?

Actually, it’s incumbent on those making accusations to provide positive evidence in support of their claims; it is NOT the responsibility of those accused to provide proof of their own innocence, nor is it their responsibility to provide negative proofs (the demand for which are logically fallacious) of such accusations.

In other words, it’s up to the nirthers to either put up, or shut up.

139 ExPatriot  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 9:54:28am

re: #133 MandyManners

not sure what that means either, but I’m thinking you might have an idea

140 avanti  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 9:54:39am

re: #48 ExPatriot

you’re not answering my question. not a nirther here, but you’re making me think i should be one

Because it’s to his strategic advantage to make the entire right look stupid due to the actions of a tiny minority of idiots.

141 Jack Burton  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 9:54:45am

re: #79 ExPatriot

if he had nothing to hide, he’d release it.

Seriously…

Can you prove to me you are really a citizen if I claim your birth certificate is fake? Really CAN YOU?

For that matter could you prove to someone you are not a murderer if they made a wild accusation out of the blue, and weren’t expected to provide any evidence?

In this country, and this place Nirthers aren’t comfortable in called “reality”, the burden of proof is on those making the claim.

None of you g-d… morons, (sorry but this is FUCKING TIRESOME) have brought one single solitary shred, microbe, molecule of evidence forth supporting the idea that there’s “something to this”. If I was Emperor Zero, and my opponents were making complete asses of themselves, I’d just sit back and let it happen too.

His B/C was already made public end of story. Please go away and stop giving the left and the MSM more fodder for the “Conservatives are crazy idiots” meme.

142 JustABill  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 9:55:16am

re: #114 midwestgak

hum. Expatriot. What a nic. Even Michelle Obama is now proud of her country. What gives?


I think he used to play football in New England, before moving on to another team. Is that you Drew Bledsoe?

143 unrealizedviewpoint  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 9:55:17am

re: #119 ExPatriot

think it through dude. expatriate means i live outside the US. ExPatriot implies that I live outside the US, but still love my country

Was ‘expatriate’ already taken?
So where in the world are you?

144 Idle Drifter  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 9:55:25am

re: #127 ExPatriot

Oh, you’re such a martyr.

145 BlueCanuck  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 9:55:39am

re: #129 reine.de.tout

I’m not a nirther, but
I don’t give a shit about the birth certificate, but

Whenever there’s a “but” in the sentence, you can be sure that what they say they’re not, is really what they are.

Everytime a sentence or a phrase is followed by “BUT” , you have effectively cancelled everything you have said before it. Forget who told me that, it’s a good thing to learn to excise from ones vocabulary when debating.

146 Charpete67  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 9:55:42am

re: #131 ExPatriot

actually no. do me a favor. just post a link to charles’s best explanation…

how about Hillary Clinton’s cell phone #?

147 Bloodnok  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 9:55:44am

re: #127 ExPatriot

actually, back from the bar and don’t post much here. used to really like this site, but have been dismayed by the mean-spirited bashing of late. would you believe I don’t even know what a “troll” or a “sock puppet” is?

Slow down, I can only tic off cliches so fast here.

148 Idle Drifter  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 9:55:57am

re: #131 ExPatriot

actually no. do me a favor. just post a link to charles’s best explanation…

Do yourself a favor use the search engine provided.

149 CyanSnowHawk  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 9:56:13am

re: #48 ExPatriot

you’re not answering my question. not a nirther here, but you’re making me think i should be one

ExPatriot

(Logged in)
Registered since: Feb 24, 2009 at 5:55 pm
No. of comments posted: 17
No. of links posted: 0

Keep up this line of argument and you may find yourself an ExLizard. Really, you are headed that way.

150 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 9:56:16am

re: #139 ExPatriot

not sure what that means either, but I’m thinking you might have an idea

oh, buoy…

151 MandyManners  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 9:56:31am

re: #144 Idle Drifter

Oh, you’re such a martyr.

Give him a cookie!

152 iceweasel  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 9:56:31am

re: #138 SixDegrees

Actually, it’s incumbent on those making accusations to provide positive evidence in support of their claims; it is NOT the responsibility of those accused to provide proof of their own innocence, nor is it their responsibility to provide negative proofs (the demand for which are logically fallacious) of such accusations.

In other words, it’s up to the nirthers to either put up, or shut up.

Exactly. For example, I have it on good authority that ExPatriot is the offspring of David Ickes’ lizard people. Can he prove otherwise? The fact that he so strongly denies this only proves that he has something hide!

/nirther logic.

153 ExPatriot  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 9:56:34am

re: #138 SixDegrees

look, i’m not making any accusations here. i’m just saying that if you want to stop the “nirthers” and it seems most of you pose as if you really, really, want to do this, then stop throwing around invective and just explain to people why it is such a silly thing to believe in.

is that so unreasonable?

154 SlartyBartfast  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 9:56:35am

re: #137 Flyovercountry

There’s an old saying something like, “If you argue with a fool, bystanders soon have trouble telling which one is which…”

155 Noam Sayin'  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 9:56:36am

re: #109 ExPatriot

It’s been debunked by the release of his birth certificate - long ago. Can’t get much more debunkified than that.

156 midwestgak  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 9:56:56am

re: #127 ExPatriot

actually, back from the bar and don’t post much here. used to really like this site, but have been dismayed by the mean-spirited bashing of late. would you believe I don’t even know what a “troll” or a “sock puppet” is?

Yes.

157 debutaunt  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 9:56:56am

re: #79 ExPatriot

if he had nothing to hide, he’d release it.

Tra la, and then we could all embrace and endorse his policies.

158 reine.de.tout  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 9:56:57am

re: #145 BlueCanuck

Everytime a sentence or a phrase is followed by “BUT” , you have effectively cancelled everything you have said before it. Forget who told me that, it’s a good thing to learn to excise from ones vocabulary when debating.

Exactly.
My mom used to give me a compliment, and then every compliment was followed by “but … “.

I don’t think she ever knew how much I hated to hear that “but”.

159 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 9:57:08am

re: #141 ArchangelMichael

I had a moonbat friend once who, when I asked him to provide proof of his accusations on some theoretical topic, accused me of cheating at logic. Because I wouldn’t let him take his claims at face value and asked him to prove them rigorously. I wish I were joking.

160 Erik The Red  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 9:57:10am

re: #122 Pvt Bin Jammin

Morning lizards. Meat for breakfast today?

BBQ is warming up:)

161 jcm  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 9:57:18am

re: #119 ExPatriot

think it through dude. expatriate means i live outside the US. ExPatriot implies that I live outside the US, but still love my country

Showing the love by chasing hallucinations?

162 donna quixote  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 9:57:25am

A good point, Marsha! It seems pretty reasonable that candidates for president of the US show proof of citizenship.

163 MandyManners  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 9:57:34am

re: #149 CyanSnowHawk

ExPatriot

(Logged in)
Registered since: Feb 24, 2009 at 5:55 pm
No. of comments posted: 17
No. of links posted: 0

Keep up this line of argument and you may find yourself an ExLizard. Really, you are headed that way.

Its Karma is at -62 but I’ve a feeling it will go lower.

164 ExPatriot  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 9:57:34am

re: #143 unrealizedviewpoint


im in singapore. thanks for asking

165 Creeping Eruption  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 9:57:35am

Okay. Just back from the popcorn stand. Are the Nirthers still showing up? What did I miss?

166 reine.de.tout  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 9:57:43am

re: #153 ExPatriot

look, i’m not making any accusations here. i’m just saying that if you want to stop the “nirthers” and it seems most of you pose as if you really, really, want to do this, then stop throwing around invective and just explain to people why it is such a silly thing to believe in.

is that so unreasonable?

Here is why it is indeed unreasonable:
re: #155 Noam Sayin’

It’s been debunked by the release of his birth certificate - long ago. Can’t get much more debunkified than that.

167 Idle Drifter  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 9:57:53am

re: #153 ExPatriot

Use. The. LGF. Search. Engine. K.

168 Charpete67  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 9:58:01am

re: #153 ExPatriot

look, i’m not making any accusations here. i’m just saying that if you want to stop the “nirthers” and it seems most of you pose as if you really, really, want to do this, then stop throwing around invective and just explain to people why it is such a silly thing to believe in.

is that so unreasonable?

yes

169 MandyManners  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 9:58:12am

re: #153 ExPatriot

look, i’m not making any accusations here. i’m just saying that if you want to stop the “nirthers” and it seems most of you pose as if you really, really, want to do this, then stop throwing around invective and just explain to people why it is such a silly thing to believe in.

is that so unreasonable?

“POSE”?

170 ExPatriot  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 9:58:13am

re: #161 jcm

no, just watching my country go down the drain…

171 vxbush  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 9:58:16am

Charles’ articles on the Birth Certificate Nonsense

Go for those from around August to November.

172 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 9:58:17am

re: #162 donna quixote

A good point, Marsha! It seems pretty reasonable that candidates for president of the US show proof of citizenship.

The state of HI. did.

173 [deleted]  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 9:58:18am
174 Pvt Bin Jammin  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 9:58:59am

re: #160 Erik The Red

BBQ is warming up:)

Guess I’d better scramble a few eggs.

175 jcm  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 9:59:00am

re: #137 Flyovercountry

ExPatriot,

Here’s the problem. In order to be on the ballot in all 50 states, Obama had to show a valid Birth Certificate to the election officials in each state. The Birth Certificate he showed, to 50 sets of election officials, is considered a valid Birth Certificate by every conceivable official in this Nation. Any question of this document is beyond idiocy. Plainly and simply, it is craziness. It is difficult to be diplomatic, because the same idiotic statements and questions keep being asked. It is like a creationist asking the same, “questions,” which would have been answered in the most basic high school science courses. I am sorry, but people just get plain tired of repeatedly going over the same ground over and over and over again.

It’s a conspiracy dude, can’t you see?!
*inhale*
‘ere, it’s good shit man, want some cheetos?

176 SixDegrees  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 9:59:03am

re: #131 ExPatriot

actually no. do me a favor. just post a link to charles’s best explanation…

It isn’t up to the world to explain why your delusions are wrong. It’s up to you to prove to the world that they’re right.

So far, I’m not seeing any credible evidence that 0 was born in another country.

177 ExPatriot  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 9:59:31am

re: #163 MandyManners


oh, I get it, I can’t ask for information about something or I’m going to get banned? I thought liberals were the intolerant ones..

178 Ward Cleaver  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 9:59:43am

The nirthers need to be held up to ridicule, and laughed out of the party.

179 CynicalConservative  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 10:00:03am

Nodrog or rodan?

180 CIA Reject  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 10:00:12am

re: #178 Ward Cleaver

The nirthers need to be held up to ridicule, and laughed out of the party.

AMEN!

181 ExPatriot  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 10:00:24am

re: #167 Idle Drifter


tried that

182 itellu3times  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 10:00:27am

Meanwhile, Rush Limbaugh comes out in favor of the government offering catastrophic health insurance.

I don’t think Rush really knows what he’s saying, he isn’t so good on math problems. Not that I disagree, necessarily. Just shocked to hear it from him.

183 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 10:00:32am

re: #177 ExPatriot

oh, I get it, I can’t ask for information about something or I’m going to get banned? I thought liberals were the intolerant ones..

LOOK IT THE FUCK UP!!!

184 MandyManners  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 10:00:55am

re: #177 ExPatriot

oh, I get it, I can’t ask for information about something or I’m going to get banned? I thought liberals were the intolerant ones..

Oh, for fuck’s sake. Charles has posted numerous threads about this issue. READ.

185 Mad Al-Jaffee  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 10:01:04am

re: #60 SasquatchOnSteroids

Storm troofers and Nirth herders. What is this, Star Wars VII ?

I bet Porkins was a nirther.

Image: pic-10.jpg

186 BlueCanuck  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 10:01:06am

re: #135 jcm

Sweat sock; left in the locker unwashed all summer.

Yummm old socks have a flavour.

187 ExPatriot  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 10:01:13am

re: #183 Cannadian Club Akbar

STOP SCREAMING PLEASE

188 JustABill  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 10:01:15am

re: #163 MandyManners

Its Karma is at -62 but I’ve a feeling it will go lower.

Karma limbo. How low can you go…

189 avanti  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 10:01:25am

The 52 house Blue dogs have reached a health care deal, just on Fox, so no link yet.

190 midwestgak  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 10:01:27am

re: #158 reine.de.tout

Exactly.
My mom used to give me a compliment, and then every compliment was followed by “but … “.

I don’t think she ever knew how much I hated to hear that “but”.

{reine}

191 lawhawk  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 10:01:34am

re: #122 Pvt Bin Jammin

Morning lizards. Meat for breakfast today?

Troll… and a particularly feisty one at that.

No evidence was ever found at any step along the way that Obama was anything but a US citizen.

That includes all three times he ran for public office in Illinois through to the US presidential elections.

All this stuff does is drag the GOP into the crazy stupid.

And it reminds me plenty of the 9/11 trooferism (which I see mentioned around Ground Zero to crowds of people by folks holding signs and saying that there was a government coverup, etc.) It bothers me to no end.

192 vxbush  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 10:01:35am

re: #184 MandyManners

Oh, for fuck’s sake. Charles has posted numerous threads about this issue. READ.

I’ve tried to make it easy in 171.

193 HoosierHoops  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 10:01:36am

re: #152 iceweasel

Exactly. For example, I have it on good authority that ExPatriot is the offspring of David Ickes’ lizard people. Can he prove otherwise? The fact that he so strongly denies this only proves that he has something hide!

/nirther logic.

This is going to be fun…
/ Looking into pit..’ It put’s the lotion on the skin’

194 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 10:01:46am

re: #177 ExPatriot

oh, I get it, I can’t ask for information about something or I’m going to get banned? I thought liberals were the intolerant ones..

Have you considered the fact that you jumped in here, made a silly statement, and then when asked to explain and/or debate your position, you just started whining and feeling sorry for yourself?

It sort of makes you sound like a little child. Or maybe that’s the answer, you are.

Why don’t you try to get into a intelligent conversation on the topic and grow up.

195 reine.de.tout  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 10:01:49am

re: #177 ExPatriot

oh, I get it, I can’t ask for information about something or I’m going to get banned? I thought liberals were the intolerant ones..

Links have been posted.
re: #171 vxbush

Charles’ articles on the Birth Certificate Nonsense

Go for those from around August to November.

Also, it’s easy to do a search yourself.

Check it out; get informed.
Or continue on your merry uninformed way, which is what appears to be your desire.

196 Ward Cleaver  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 10:01:52am

re: #189 avanti

The 52 house Blue dogs have reached a health care deal, just on Fox, so no link yet.

Oh brother.

197 MandyManners  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 10:01:59am

re: #187 ExPatriot

STOP SCREAMING PLEASE

WHO MADE YOU HALL MONITOR?

198 JohnnyReb  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 10:02:11am

re: #137 Flyovercountry

ExPatriot,

Here’s the problem. In order to be on the ballot in all 50 states, Obama had to show a valid Birth Certificate to the election officials in each state. The Birth Certificate he showed, to 50 sets of election officials, is considered a valid Birth Certificate by every conceivable official in this Nation. Any question of this document is beyond idiocy. Plainly and simply, it is craziness. It is difficult to be diplomatic, because the same idiotic statements and questions keep being asked. It is like a creationist asking the same, “questions,” which would have been answered in the most basic high school science courses. I am sorry, but people just get plain tired of repeatedly going over the same ground over and over and over again.

Uh thats not correct, at least in CT. No one in CT has a legal requirement to validate a presidential candidates eligibility. There was a lawsuit here about Obama and the court ruled eligibility for president of the US is a federal matter, not a state matter and the state has no requirement to even check eligibility.

199 SixDegrees  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 10:02:15am

re: #153 ExPatriot

look, i’m not making any accusations here.

You certainly are; you’re claiming that 0 isn’t a US citizen.

It’s up to you to prove that. It isn’t up to him or to anyone else to prove that your accusations are wrong. You bear the burden of proving that they are true.

It’s a cruel Universe, and it’s toying with your pathetic insignificance. And enjoying it.

200 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 10:02:21am

re: #187 ExPatriot

STOP SCREAMING PLEASE

sorry, look it the fuck up:)

201 CynicalConservative  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 10:02:23am

re: #189 avanti

The 52 house Blue dogs have reached a health care deal, just on Fox, so no link yet.

Guess we’ll just have to wait for it to die a well deserved death in the Senate.

202 ExPatriot  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 10:02:24am

re: #194 Walter L. Newton

Would you like to call me any more names?

203 BlueCanuck  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 10:02:48am

re: #153 ExPatriot

Head meet brick wall. It’s been done ad-infinitum. Long form, short form, record of live birth, government policies on records, etc, etc, etc. Still not good enough for them.

204 Ward Cleaver  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 10:02:54am

re: #182 itellu3times

Meanwhile, Rush Limbaugh comes out in favor of the government offering catastrophic health insurance.

I don’t think Rush really knows what he’s saying, he isn’t so good on math problems. Not that I disagree, necessarily. Just shocked to hear it from him.

Sarcasm?

205 Noam Sayin'  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 10:02:54am

re: #187 ExPatriot

Stop being a dick and look through the LGF search link VXBush provided at #171. When you can refute the contents, come on back. We’ll be glad to engage you in honest debate. Until then, f*ck off.

206 MandyManners  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 10:03:03am

re: #192 vxbush

I’ve tried to make it easy in 171.

Why, yes, you did. Excellent. Let’s see if he or she goes for it.

207 avanti  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 10:03:13am

re: #202 ExPatriot

Would you like to call me any more names?

ExRational ?

208 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 10:03:23am

re: #202 ExPatriot

Would you like to call me any more names?

Would you like me to make a list?

209 _RememberTonyC  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 10:03:26am

if the RNC were to cut Michael Steele loose as Chairman, it would give credibility to every race hustler, political hack, and leftist pundit that has said the Republican party is not inclusive of minorities. the damage will be incalculable.

210 Idle Drifter  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 10:03:35am

re: #177 ExPatriot

No all the information Charles has posted on LGF is available through the SEARCH ENGINE. It takes just typing in Nirther or Obama’s birth certificate and maybe an hour of reading the old posts.

Nice straw man by the way.

211 CyanSnowHawk  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 10:03:43am

re: #163 MandyManners

Working on it.

212 Creeping Eruption  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 10:03:51am

re: #207 avanti

ExRational ?

Implies he/she was rational to begin with. Not ready to make that jump.

213 MandyManners  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 10:03:54am

re: #202 ExPatriot

NO. 171.

214 HoosierHoops  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 10:04:01am

re: #165 Creeping Eruption

Okay. Just back from the popcorn stand. Are the Nirthers still showing up? What did I miss?

*standing at Grill*
How do you like your burger Creeping? Also..Cheese on top?

215 Cato the Elder  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 10:04:06am

Chairman Steele’s statement is weak tea. Chairman Steele “believes” Obama is a citizen. Belief can be false. Chairman Steele needs to state unequivocally that the President is damn well a citizen of these United States and call the nutters out. By name.

216 BlackFedora  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 10:04:12am

Well good for Michael Steele. I respect the man even more now but this is surely going to drive the birthers mad to the point they’ll likely need electroshock.

217 Idle Drifter  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 10:04:13am

re: #181 ExPatriot

Bovine Scatology

218 MandyManners  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 10:04:26am

re: #200 Cannadian Club Akbar

sorry, look it the fuck up:)

You made me grin.

219 Pvt Bin Jammin  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 10:04:30am

re: #194 Walter L. Newton

Have you considered the fact that you jumped in here, made a silly statement, and then when asked to explain and/or debate your position, you just started whining and feeling sorry for yourself?

It sort of makes you sound like a little child. Or maybe that’s the answer, you are.

Why don’t you try to get into a intelligent conversation on the topic and grow up.

Yum, veal.

220 ExPatriot  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 10:04:31am

re: #199 SixDegrees

I’m claiming no such thing. actually, i thought i could just get some quick help trying to understand this issue. i thought i was messaging a bunch of like-minded conservatives who were keen to convince as many people as people as possible that this whole birth certificate controversy was a complete waste of time— and that they would back up this view with reasoned, substantial commentary.

instead, I got a lot of name-calling.

221 vxbush  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 10:04:45am

re: #202 ExPatriot

Would you like to call me any more names?

We would like you to stop posting for just a minute and review the list of information that Charles has put together on this. You asked if he had rebutted the claims, well he has.

The fact that you haven’t seemingly stopped posting long enough to say “thank you for making that available” or much less to read is conspicuous in making us think you are not honest about your desire to be educated in the matter.

222 jcm  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 10:04:55am

re: #177 ExPatriot

oh, I get it, I can’t ask for information about something or I’m going to get banned? I thought liberals were the intolerant ones..

Barack Obama was born to Stanley Anne Dunham Obama, a citizen of the United States of American, regardless of place of birth making her son a citizen of the United States.

The State of Hawaii has verified and certified that Barack Obama was born in Hawaii. Making him a citizen of the United States.

That’s all the information anyone, including a court would need to rule that Barack Obama is a citizen of the United States.

All else is a huge pile of male bovine scat.

223 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 10:04:57am

re: #218 MandyManners

You made me grin.

Any day that Mandy is grinning is a good day.

224 [deleted]  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 10:05:10am
225 avanti  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 10:05:21am

Blue dog update, they are marking up the bill in the next three hours. Must be trying to vote before the recess.

226 Charpete67  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 10:05:35am

re: #202 ExPatriot

Would you like to call me any more names?

yes…

227 Creeping Eruption  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 10:05:36am

re: #214 HoosierHoops

*standing at Grill*
How do you like your burger Creeping? Also..Cheese on top?

I like my burger still mooing, or in this case, still whining. No burger is complete without cheese. A nice sharp Cheddar or a smoked Gouda would do nicely, thank you.

May I offer to bring the beer?

228 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 10:05:40am

re: #220 ExPatriot

I’m claiming no such thing. actually, i thought i could just get some quick help trying to understand this issue. i thought i was messaging a bunch of like-minded conservatives who were keen to convince as many people as people as possible that this whole birth certificate controversy was a complete waste of time— and that they would back up this view with reasoned, substantial commentary.

instead, I got a lot of name-calling.

GAZE.

229 jcm  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 10:05:42am

re: #189 avanti

The 52 house Blue dogs have reached a health care deal, just on Fox, so no link yet.

I feel ill.

230 Lincolntf  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 10:05:47am

All I know is that I want to see the “Born on Date” of Crowley’s beer. What do they have to hide?

231 Ward Cleaver  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 10:06:03am

re: #203 BlueCanuck

Head meet brick wall. It’s been done ad-infinitum. Long form, short form, record of live birth, government policies on records, etc, etc, etc. Still not good enough for them.

At this point, there’s nothing that 0bama, the State of Hawaii, or anyone else, could do to get the nirthers off of their “quest”. The State of Hawaii could put the original long form on display and allow nirthers to examine it, and I’ll bet the nirthers would then pronounce it a “fake”.

232 Cato the Elder  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 10:06:16am

re: #57 ExPatriot

you’re still not answering my question. why hasn’t he released it?

Because he likes to pull your pud, fool.

233 lawhawk  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 10:06:16am

Charles has repeatedly linked to the Hawaii COLB, various individuals who have first hand information of Obama’s birth in Hawaii, and debunked various claims that he was not a US citizen (many of which started with Democrats like Phil Berg).

So, instead of taking that evidence - and it’s overwhelming that he’s a US citizen, you’re coming in here stinking up the joint with a claim that Charles hasn’t proffered proof that Obama is a US citizen?

What exactly is your proof that he isn’t a US citizen? That he hasn’t proffered a birth certificate to *your* satisfaction? What then is going to be to your satisfaction when Hawaiian officials consider what Obama provided satisfactory. The same goes for Secretaries of State around the nation who are responsible for elections and putting individuals on the ballot.

Claims against Obama have failed in court - no standing. No proof. Nothing. Just spurrious claims that speak more about the insanity of those pursuing the claims than about the target of the claims.

Step away from the crazy.

234 CynicalConservative  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 10:06:17am

re: #225 avanti

Blue dog update, they are marking up the bill in the next three hours. Must be trying to vote before the recess.

Yeah, because if they don’t pass it NOW, we’re all gonna DIE.

//

235 [deleted]  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 10:06:19am
236 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 10:06:41am

re: #227 Creeping Eruption

I like my burger still mooing, or in this case, still whining. No burger is complete without cheese. A nice sharp Cheddar or a smoked Gouda would do nicely, thank you.

May I offer to bring the beer?

Good grief, a cheddar-topped cheeseburger sounds good right about now. If I wasn’t watching the budget and the slowly-expanding waistline, I’d probably indulge myself.

237 [deleted]  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 10:06:45am
238 CIA Reject  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 10:06:47am

re: #220 ExPatriot

I’m claiming no such thing. actually, i thought i could just get some quick help trying to understand this issue. i thought i was messaging a bunch of like-minded conservatives who were keen to convince as many people as people as possible that this whole birth certificate controversy was a complete waste of time— and that they would back up this view with reasoned, substantial commentary.

instead, I got a lot of name-calling.

Well, what ARE you claiming anyway? You imply that the Mr. Obama is hiding something because he won’t release his original BC. What is it that you think he is hiding?

239 MandyManners  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 10:06:56am

re: #224 ExPatriot

stop being a *** and stop calling me a dick

READ NO. 171.

240 wrenchwench  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 10:07:01am

Just got here. Looks like we had a major GAZE failure.

241 Mad Al-Jaffee  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 10:07:10am

I posted this earlier today on the open thread:

[Link: frontpagemag.com…]

242 [deleted]  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 10:07:18am
243 Jack Burton  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 10:07:20am

re: #177 ExPatriot

oh, I get it, I can’t ask for information about something or I’m going to get banned? I thought liberals were the intolerant ones..

This whole issue has been debunked and blasted into the stone already. MANY times. We aren’t going to keep repeating ourselves ad nauseam every other day for every kook. Use the search function is you actually care, which I’m sure you don’t.

244 Ward Cleaver  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 10:07:40am

re: #229 jcm

I feel ill.

Do you want the red pill or the blue pill?

245 Idle Drifter  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 10:07:53am

re: #228 Walter L. Newton

GAZE.

Set Gazers to Shake’N’Bake.

246 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 10:07:55am

re: #230 Lincolntf

All I know is that I want to see the “Born on Date” of Crowley’s beer. What do they have to hide?

Long form. And BTW…DING!!

247 AuntAcid  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 10:08:08am

re: #216 BlackFedora

Well good for Michael Steele. I respect the man even more now but this is surely going to drive the birthers mad to the point they’ll likely need electroshock.

Hey…”If I had a hammer…”

248 Charles Johnson  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 10:08:08am

Classic troll behavior.

249 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 10:08:09am

re: #240 wrenchwench

Just got here. Looks like we had a major GAZE failure.

Meh. It’s early morning lizard entertainment.

250 Ward Cleaver  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 10:08:09am

ExPatriot is an ExLizard.

251 jaunte  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 10:08:15am

Spoon feeder.

252 Ward Cleaver  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 10:08:24am

It’s official.

253 Noam Sayin'  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 10:08:30am

re: #248 Charles

Is it a sockpuppet of someone else?

254 MandyManners  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 10:08:31am

*POOF*

It be gone.

255 Charles Johnson  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 10:08:36am

re: #220 ExPatriot

instead, I got a lot of name-calling.

And now your account is history.

256 MikeAlv77  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 10:08:45am

re: #137 Flyovercountry

ExPatriot,

Here’s the problem. In order to be on the ballot in all 50 states, Obama had to show a valid Birth Certificate to the election officials in each state. The Birth Certificate he showed, to 50 sets of election officials, is considered a valid Birth Certificate by every conceivable official in this Nation. Any question of this document is beyond idiocy. Plainly and simply, it is craziness. It is difficult to be diplomatic, because the same idiotic statements and questions keep being asked. It is like a creationist asking the same, “questions,” which would have been answered in the most basic high school science courses. I am sorry, but people just get plain tired of repeatedly going over the same ground over and over and over again.

This just shows how deep this conspiracy goes. Don’t you understand. Not just Hawaii is in on this, but all the states!!!

257 unrealizedviewpoint  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 10:08:48am
258 HoosierHoops  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 10:08:59am

re: #227 Creeping Eruption

I like my burger still mooing, or in this case, still whining. No burger is complete without cheese. A nice sharp Cheddar or a smoked Gouda would do nicely, thank you.

May I offer to bring the beer?


The beer is in the cooler..Help yourself…

259 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 10:09:05am

re: #255 Charles

And now your account is history.

Cue the whining about banning innocent people who were just asking questions in 3… 2… 1…

260 sattv4u2  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 10:09:05am

re: #224 ExPatriot

stop being a *** and stop calling me a dick

You’re right. We don’t know you, so “Dick” is too informal

How bout RICHARD, just until we get acquainted! !

261 Ward Cleaver  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 10:09:23am

re: #254 MandyManners

*POOF*

It be gone.

He went out like a cheap light bulb.

262 Noam Sayin'  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 10:09:34am

re: #255 Charles

I’m glad you did that. He brought nothing of value in here.

263 MandyManners  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 10:09:37am

Back to modelling dryer lint into Ron Paul figurines.

264 Ward Cleaver  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 10:10:07am

re: #263 MandyManners

Back to modelling dryer lint into Ron Paul figurines.

We want pictures.

265 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 10:10:14am

re: #260 sattv4u2

You’re right. We don’t know you, so “Dick” is too informal

How bout RICHARD, just until we get acquainted! !

to late…

266 sattv4u2  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 10:10:32am

re: #263 MandyManners

Back to modelling dryer lint into Ron Paul figurines.

I have a sweater I knitted from belly button lint!

267 unrealizedviewpoint  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 10:10:34am

re: #255 Charles

And now your account is history.

Stinky shouldn’t have to work so hard so early in the AM.

268 wrenchwench  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 10:10:38am

It’s not like the Ex-Expat was unfamiliar with distractions:

1531 ExPatriot3/19/2009 11:26:39 pm PDT

is this some sort of conspiracy to deflect attention from his real bowling score. he scored a 37, not a 129. i noticed because i’m ashamed to say 132 is my average—have just taken up the game, and 129 isn’t that bad. 37, on the other hand, is embarrassing. my four-year-old son bowls double that, though he does use the bumpers…

269 Bloodnok  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 10:10:43am

re: #220 ExPatriot

I’m claiming no such thing. actually, i thought i could just get some quick help trying to understand this issue. i thought i was messaging a bunch of like-minded conservatives who were keen to convince as many people as people as possible that this whole birth certificate controversy was a complete waste of time— and that they would back up this view with reasoned, substantial commentary.

instead, I got a lot of name-calling.

The classic “I guess I was wrong…” self-pityfest.

Are you reading a manual or something? At least be original. Let me guess. Soon to be followed with “Since none of you will debate me intelligently I’ll just go”, I trust.

270 Kenneth  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 10:10:45am

re: #220 ExPatriot

Here’s your help, then…

As stated up-thread, Obama already showed his birth certificate to all 50 state election offices.

Obama has released a copy of this birth certificate to the media. You can find it on the web.

Independent journalists found a birth notice about the birth of baby Barack in the Honolulu Examiner printed in 1961.

Officials of the State of Hawaii has declared Obama was born in Hawaii.

271 JustABill  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 10:10:46am

So did ExPat get a 5 yard penalty (delay of game) or a 15 yard unsportsmanlike conduct plus an ejection.

272 sattv4u2  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 10:10:49am

re: #265 Cannadian Club Akbar

to late…

I saw.. slow typer here !!

273 CyanSnowHawk  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 10:10:51am

re: #240 wrenchwench

Just got here. Looks like we had a major GAZE failure.

Sometimes a fray is just the thing to satisfy.

274 Creeping Eruption  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 10:10:59am

re: #266 sattv4u2

I have a sweater I knitted from belly button lint!

I am scared to ask what the buttons are made of./

275 MandyManners  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 10:10:59am

re: #264 Ward Cleaver

We want pictures.

His Mom took the Kodak away after he took a snap of his wahoo.

276 Idle Drifter  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 10:11:00am
277 Ojoe  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 10:11:01am

There are more important things to discuss than this certificate. The country is wasting time here.

278 HoosierHoops  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 10:11:08am

re: #255 Charles

And now your account is history.

Will be posting at LGF2 in 5-4-3-2-1

279 KansasMom  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 10:11:10am

re: #263 MandyManners

Back to modelling dryer lint into Ron Paul figurines.

They’d probably sell on Etsy!
(Right along with the Obama paper-towel holders…)

280 FrogMarch  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 10:11:12am

re: #187 ExPatriot

STOP SCREAMING PLEASE

Folks are screaming because our heads hurt from banging them against the wall. It’s over - Obama was born in Hawaii.

281 MandyManners  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 10:11:27am

re: #266 sattv4u2

I have a sweater I knitted from belly button lint!

I hesitate to ask this but, what does it smell like?

282 FrogMarch  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 10:11:45am

re: #263 MandyManners

Back to modeling dryer lint into Ron Paul figurines.

You do that too?

283 Flyovercountry  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 10:11:45am

RE: #198 JohnnyReb


Uh thats not correct, at least in CT. No one in CT has a legal requirement to validate a presidential candidates eligibility. There was a lawsuit here about Obama and the court ruled eligibility for president of the US is a federal matter, not a state matter and the state has no requirement to even check eligibility.

Point taken. Even with 49 states and the Fed, This is the single most proven citizen in the history of the USA. 30 seconds after this idea was first posited, it was time for it to be over. Now it can only be characterised and rediculous.

284 Ward Cleaver  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 10:11:58am

re: #271 JustABill

So did ExPat get a 5 yard penalty (delay of game) or a 15 yard unsportsmanlike conduct plus an ejection.

He’s banned from the league, for life.

285 American Sabra  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 10:12:09am

re: #132 iceweasel

The demands for the nirth certifikat will never end. They’ll always move the goalposts and demand something else. The not-so-sub subtext here is “Obama doesn’t deserve to be POTUS; Obama is not one of us”.

Oh but there are plenty of LGFers that want to see his school records (scroll up even). Maybe not as far back as kindergarten (good grief), but at least college.

What I find amazing is that some of the folks that are fans of Rush also want to see Obama’s college records. Rush, btw, is a state school dropout. I don’t think he made it through the first semester. He has no education beyond high school, but his word is God next to the Harvard grad, Law School Review President and Constitutional Professor.

286 SixDegrees  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 10:12:09am

re: #220 ExPatriot

I’m claiming no such thing. actually, i thought i could just get some quick help trying to understand this issue. i thought i was messaging a bunch of like-minded conservatives who were keen to convince as many people as people as possible that this whole birth certificate controversy was a complete waste of time— and that they would back up this view with reasoned, substantial commentary.

instead, I got a lot of name-calling.

You’ve got your answer: there’s nothing to discuss. No proof that 0 was born in a foreign country has ever been produced. End of story. Demands that he or anyone else should produce evidence to refute groundless speculation with no evidence whatsoever backing it up are pointless to respond to; they are an exercise in wasting time.

287 Creeping Eruption  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 10:12:17am

re: #282 FrogMarch

You do that too?

Better that I guess than ear wax

288 Noam Sayin'  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 10:12:21am

#235 Oops.

My second deletion. And I should know better.

289 sattv4u2  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 10:12:22am

re: #281 MandyManners

I hesitate to ask this but, what does it smell like?

I’ll lift my short so you can sniff my belly button!

290 CIA Reject  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 10:12:22am

re: #259 thedopefishlives

Cue the whining about banning innocent people who were just asking questions in 3… 2… 1…

Not to worry, I think it has a sock puppet lurking about

291 unrealizedviewpoint  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 10:12:29am

re: #277 Ojoe

There are more important things to discuss than this certificate. The country is wasting time here.

That’s the goal, diversion.

292 jcm  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 10:12:47am

re: #170 ExPatriot

no, just watching my country go down the drain…

Which is why BHO won’t release his BC.

Fools and tools run around sniffing eachs others butts looking for a nirth certifikat, while Obama / Reid / Pelosi push Porkulus, Crap-n-Fraud, Medifraud for all.


The circling the drain has a better chance of being plugged if you and others would pay attention to the game, and not the pile of dog doo on the sidelines.

293 avanti  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 10:12:49am

New low for Obama on Gallup, 53% today.

poll.

294 MandyManners  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 10:12:59am

re: #279 KansasMom

They’d probably sell on Etsy!
(Right along with the Obama paper-towel holders…)

And the Elvis-in-my-pancake photographs?

295 Ward Cleaver  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 10:13:06am

re: #283 Flyovercountry

RE: #198 JohnnyReb

Point taken. Even with 49 states and the Fed, This is the single most proven citizen in the history of the USA. 30 seconds after this idea was first posited, it was time for it to be over. Now it can only be characterised and rediculous.

The birth announcement in the Honolulu paper sealed it for me.

296 Ward Cleaver  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 10:13:32am

re: #293 avanti

New low for Obama on Gallup, 53% today.

poll.

Gallup? I thought they loved him?

297 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 10:13:37am

re: #285 American Sabra

Oh but there are plenty of LGFers that want to see his school records (scroll up even). Maybe not as far back as kindergarten (good grief), but at least college.

What I find amazing is that some of the folks that are fans of Rush also want to see Obama’s college records. Rush, btw, is a state school dropout. I don’t think he made it through the first semester. He has no education beyond high school, but his word is God next to the Harvard grad, Law School Review President and Constitutional Professor.

The only reason I’d like to see Obama’s college records (and it’s not a demand, just a nice-to-have) is because I’d love to debunk the “smartest President in American history” line. The man can’t open his mouth without sticking his foot in it; it’s even worse than Dan Quayle was ever made out to be.

298 SixDegrees  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 10:13:42am

re: #264 Ward Cleaver

We want pictures.

I want Ron Paul’s birth certificate. I don’t believe he was born on this planet.

299 reine.de.tout  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 10:13:57am

re: #270 Kenneth

Here’s your help, then…

As stated up-thread, Obama already showed his birth certificate to all 50 state election offices.

Obama has released a copy of this birth certificate to the media. You can find it on the web.

Independent journalists found a birth notice about the birth of baby Barack in the Honolulu Examiner printed in 1961.

Officials of the State of Hawaii has declared Obama was born in Hawaii.

Kenneth - how sad is it that even that would not be clear enough for some of these folks.

300 Desert Dog  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 10:14:03am

Welcome of Arizona, would you like to buy our Capitol Building?

Desperate state may sell Capitol building to raise money

I am so proud :-(

301 StillAMarine  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 10:14:10am

re: #153 ExPatriot

You want to know why? It is because it has been proven over and over and over again, to the point of extreme nausea, that Obama was born in the State of Hawaii. Last time I checked, Hawaii was indeed a state. Do you want me to prove it?

Nirthers, troofers, and other conspiracy theorists are just like the followers of some weird cult who insist on believing, even when the proof is right in front of them.

Ever try arguing with a flat earther?

Just be honest with yourself and face the facts that are being rammed into your face.

302 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 10:14:12am

re: #293 avanti

New low for Obama on Gallup, 53% today.

poll.

Doesn’t really mean much, it’s normal for someone who is doing a crappy-assed job to poll low. Gallup is just stating the obvious. Nothing to see here, move on.

303 Creeping Eruption  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 10:14:14am

re: #296 Ward Cleaver

Gallup? I thought they loved him?

Yeah, they’ll just trot out any numbers for him.

304 American Sabra  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 10:14:25am

re: #153 ExPatriot

look, i’m not making any accusations here. i’m just saying that if you want to stop the “nirthers” and it seems most of you pose as if you really, really, want to do this, then stop throwing around invective and just explain to people why it is such a silly thing to believe in.

is that so unreasonable?

Not that it hasn’t already been stated 1000+ times here. It’s proven. He was born a U.S. citizen. He’s eligible to be President. Hawaii is listed as POB on his birth certificate.

What other evidence do you want?

305 MandyManners  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 10:14:29am

re: #282 FrogMarch

You do that too?

No, the ExLizard does. It breaks the tedium of waiting to call his mom when the dryer stops in her dank basement.

306 vxbush  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 10:14:35am

Gotta scoot for lunch, but I wanted to say Thank You, Charles, for taking care of today’s troll.

307 MandyManners  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 10:14:43am

re: #289 sattv4u2

I’ll lift my short so you can sniff my belly button!

You are one sick puppy.

308 Charpete67  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 10:14:55am

re: #296 Ward Cleaver

Gallup? I thought they loved him?

Rasmussen has had him at 49 for a couple of days.

309 jaunte  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 10:15:03am

re: #299 reine.de.tout

Well, those Hawaiians are only recently Americans, right?
///

310 Ojoe  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 10:15:10am

re: #19 DaddyG

Join the whigs at:

Join page

Whig website:

The Modern Whig Party

311 Jack Burton  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 10:15:21am

Let me see…
“Just asking questions” CHECK
“I’m not a nirther, BUT…” CHECK
“Why doesn’t he just show it anyway…” CHECK

The kook troll trifecta.

312 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 10:15:40am

re: #300 Desert Dog

Welcome of Arizona, would you like to buy our Capitol Building?

Desperate state may sell Capitol building to raise money

I am so proud :-(

I’m buying it with foreign money. Opening a strip club. See you there.

313 Ward Cleaver  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 10:15:48am

re: #298 SixDegrees

I want Ron Paul’s birth certificate. I don’t believe he was born on this planet.

First, they have to translate it out of Martian.

314 avanti  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 10:15:51am

re: #296 Ward Cleaver

Gallup? I thought they loved him?

Nope, but he polls about a bit higher on Gallup then Rasmussen.

315 CIA Reject  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 10:16:16am

Well, I gotta get back to work. It was fun playing Whack-A-Troll with y’all

/later

316 KingKenrod  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 10:16:23am

re: #296 Ward Cleaver

Gallup? I thought they loved him?

If Clinton were president, he’d be lobbing a couple of smart bombs at some miscreant right about now.

I wonder what Obama will do?

317 Jack Burton  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 10:16:44am

re: #298 SixDegrees

I want Ron Paul’s birth certificate. I don’t believe he was born on this planet.

Mars doesn’t release the long form either.

318 Kenneth  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 10:16:46am

re: #285 American Sabra

According to his bio at wiki, “For twelve years, Obama served as a professor of constitutional law at the University of Chicago Law School; as a Lecturer from 1992 to 1996, and as a Senior Lecturer from 1996 to 2004.”

Did he publish anything during that academic career? Publish or perish is the watchword of the academic, yet Obama lectures on law for 12 years and managed to publish nothing. Not one paper. He could not get elected chairman of the Faculty of Law with a record like that. In fact, he wouldn’t even make tenure. So what gives? The people of the United States elect him as President instead.

319 HoosierHoops  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 10:16:48am

re: #284 Ward Cleaver

He’s banned from the league, for life.


Obvious Troll Behavior…Short timer with -162 dings in few postings..
I may be wrong but I think the time-out is for a respected members here that had a meltdown from emotions or a disagreement gone bad.
It’s like when the Commish gives you a 1 game suspension…As opposed to the lifelong ban

320 avanti  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 10:16:59am

re: #302 Walter L. Newton

Doesn’t really mean much, it’s normal for someone who is doing a crappy-assed job to poll low. Gallup is just stating the obvious. Nothing to see here, move on.

Walter, why the knock of Bush ? :)

321 turn  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 10:17:01am

ha, it got the stick …

322 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 10:17:01am

re: #316 KingKenrod

If Clinton were president, he’d be lobbing a couple of smart bombs at some miscreant right about now.

I wonder what Obama will do?

If I had to guess, he’d probably pull a Carter and head for the Middle East for an attempt at whirled peas.

323 iceweasel  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 10:17:04am

re: #285 American Sabra

Oh but there are plenty of LGFers that want to see his school records (scroll up even). Maybe not as far back as kindergarten (good grief), but at least college.

What I find amazing is that some of the folks that are fans of Rush also want to see Obama’s college records. Rush, btw, is a state school dropout. I don’t think he made it through the first semester. He has no education beyond high school, but his word is God next to the Harvard grad, Law School Review President and Constitutional Professor.

It’s the same syndrome. Ridiculous. And the same people demanding Obama’s school transcripts would have fiercely decried demands for Palin’s multiple, incomplete transcripts as ‘elitism’.

324 Desert Dog  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 10:17:13am

re: #314 avanti

Nope, but he polls about a bit higher on Gallup then Rasmussen.

Well, the good people over at Gallup love him, but it seems the people they are polling are just not as smitten as before.

325 [deleted]  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 10:17:19am
326 KenJen  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 10:17:25am

re: #285 American Sabra

Oh but there are plenty of LGFers that want to see his school records (scroll up even). Maybe not as far back as kindergarten (good grief), but at least college.

What I find amazing is that some of the folks that are fans of Rush also want to see Obama’s college records. Rush, btw, is a state school dropout. I don’t think he made it through the first semester. He has no education beyond high school, but his word is God next to the Harvard grad, Law School Review President and Constitutional Professor.

He don’t need no education.

327 gmsc  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 10:17:38am

re: #312 Cannadian Club Akbar

I’m buying it with foreign money. Opening a strip club. See you there.

Good idea - that would greatly reduce the amount of whores in the capitol.

328 unrealizedviewpoint  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 10:18:10am

re: #316 KingKenrod

If Clinton were president, he’d be lobbing a couple of smart bombs at some miscreant right about now.

I wonder what Obama will do?

IIRC that miscreant was Osama bin Laden.

329 iLikeCandy  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 10:18:17am

Rep. Marsha Blackburn, R-Tenn.: This Tennessee politician, a co-sponsor of the Posey bill, trusts that the president is a natural-born citizen

How does that make her a birther?

330 jcm  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 10:18:26am

Obama in Raleigh:

Even as we worked to address the crisis in our banking sector, our housing market, and our auto industry, we also began attacking our economic crisis on a broader front. Less than one month after taking office, we enacted the most sweeping economic recovery package in history – and we did so without any of the earmarks that waste tax dollars on pet projects.
331 Creeping Eruption  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 10:18:26am

re: #327 gmsc

Good idea - that would greatly reduce the amount of whores in the capitol.

Or increase their prices to cover the rent.

332 Desert Dog  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 10:18:33am

re: #325 buzzsawmonkey

Making the legislators do a virtual commute will make it tough for lobbyists. In the meantime,

The condo in the dome
The condo in the dome
I’ll buy the Capitol
Build condos in the dome

They should turn it into a brothel and make it official, rather than going about it in the clandestine manner they have…either that or a “House of Horrors”

333 Charpete67  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 10:18:40am

re: #324 Desert Dog

Well, the good people over at Gallup love him, but it seems the people they are polling are just not as smitten as before.

they just called the wrong people…poll will go up tomorrow…

334 Spare O'Lake  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 10:18:54am
“Chairman Steele believes that this is an unnecessary distraction and believes that the president is a U.S. citizen.”

Pardon me if I am being picky, but IIRC the issue is not whether Obama is a US citizen, but rather whether he was born in the USA.
Accordingly, I am amazed that Steele would say that he believes that Obama is a citizen when that is not the issue.
Lou Dobbs did the same thing on CNN.

WTF is the matter with these people?

335 iceweasel  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 10:18:56am

re: #318 Kenneth

According to his bio at wiki, “For twelve years, Obama served as a professor of constitutional law at the University of Chicago Law School; as a Lecturer from 1992 to 1996, and as a Senior Lecturer from 1996 to 2004.”

Did he publish anything during that academic career? Publish or perish is the watchword of the academic, yet Obama lectures on law for 12 years and managed to publish nothing. Not one paper. He could not get elected chairman of the Faculty of Law with a record like that. In fact, he wouldn’t even make tenure. So what gives? The people of the United States elect him as President instead.

Obama was offered a tenure track position at UChi multiple times, and turned it down. This is the equivalent, in the world of legal academia, of several times winning the Lotto and deciding to give your winning ticket away.

336 MikeAlv77  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 10:19:01am

re: #263 MandyManners

Back to modelling dryer lint into Ron Paul figurines.

Can I get one of those bronzed… Kind of like a Remington sculpture?

337 jcm  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 10:19:15am

re: #298 SixDegrees

I want Ron Paul’s birth certificate. I don’t believe he was born on this planet.

No true earthling!

338 SixDegrees  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 10:19:23am

re: #313 Ward Cleaver

First, they have to translate it out of Martian.

The climate on Mars has been warming for the last several years. I’m pretty sure that makes it a Republican stronghold, and information from there is not to be trusted as a result.

339 SasquatchOnSteroids  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 10:19:30am

re: #300 Desert Dog

Welcome of Arizona, would you like to buy our Capitol Building?

Desperate state may sell Capitol building to raise money

I am so proud :-(

I want a law that makes the HOR and the Senate members wear suits like Nascar. I want to know who they’re biggest sponsors are. It’s all so damn shady.

340 Daria Emmons  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 10:19:35am

What the hell is wrong with these Birther people???

Honestly, they make me physically ill.

Obama is selling the country down the river, and the Birthers are letting him do it, because any legitimate and real discussion of his policies have been obscured by lunatic theories about his birth certificate.

The Birthers are allowing Obama to have a free reign to wreck havoc, because they are destroying all legitimacy of his opposition.

It is disgusting and sick.

341 [deleted]  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 10:19:39am
342 unrealizedviewpoint  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 10:19:45am

re: #333 Charpete67

they just called the wrong people…poll will go up tomorrow…

That’s only NYT polls.

343 jaunte  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 10:19:58am

re: #338 SixDegrees

The climate on Mars has been warming for the last several years. I’m pretty sure that makes it a Republican stronghold, and information from there is not to be trusted as a result.

It is the Redstate planet.

344 calcajun  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 10:20:03am

re: #298 SixDegrees

I want Ron Paul’s birth certificate. I don’t believe he was born on this planet.

Oh, Nirthers… Dear Nirthers, you are so mercifully free of the ravages of intelligence.

I am Ron Paul. Paul existed long before Good. I made myself. I cannot be unmade. *I* am all powerful!

Little spin on “Time Bandits”

345 JustABill  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 10:20:07am

re: #338 SixDegrees

The climate on Mars has been warming for the last several years. I’m pretty sure that makes it a Republican stronghold, and information from there is not to be trusted as a result.

It is the red planet…

346 avanti  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 10:20:15am

re: #333 Charpete67

they just called the wrong people…poll will go up tomorrow…

It is a daily poll, and goes up and down over a 2-4 point range, but this is the first dip to 53 % and the trend has been lower.

347 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 10:20:25am

BBIAB.

348 Desert Dog  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 10:21:01am

re: #327 gmsc

Good idea - that would greatly reduce the amount of whores in the capitol.

GMTA

349 jvic  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 10:21:29am

re: #293 avanti

New low for Obama on Gallup, 53% today.

poll.

I bet he’d be polling better if the Republicans had their act together—because he wouldn’t dare try half the stuff he’s done. Of course he would never have been elected if the GOP had its act together.

I question whether O’s sinking numbers will translate into electoral gains for the GOP, especially in 2012. Once the voters take a hard look at the alternative… (If things keep going as they are, which hopefully they won’t.)

350 calcajun  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 10:21:57am

re: #298 SixDegrees

I want Ron Paul’s birth certificate. I don’t believe he was born on this planet.

His name is really “John” Paul and he’s a Red Lectroid from Planet 10

351 Kenneth  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 10:22:00am

re: #335 iceweasel

I didn’t know that. Thank you. Now do you have knowledge of any scholarly work he published or does the University of Chicago often offer tenure to non-published lecturers without an advanced degree?

Very fishy.

352 SixDegrees  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 10:22:01am

re: #345 JustABill

It is the red planet…

See?

353 Danny  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 10:22:20am

The Salon article seems a bit slanted to the left to me.

354 reine.de.tout  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 10:22:43am

re: #285 American Sabra

Oh but there are plenty of LGFers that want to see his school records (scroll up even). Maybe not as far back as kindergarten (good grief), but at least college.

What I find amazing is that some of the folks that are fans of Rush also want to see Obama’s college records. Rush, btw, is a state school dropout. I don’t think he made it through the first semester. He has no education beyond high school, but his word is God next to the Harvard grad, Law School Review President and Constitutional Professor.

Rush is not my cup o’ tea, and I have no desire to see anybody’s transcripts.

But your implication that people who have no education beyond High School must necessarily be idiotically stupid is a bit elitist for my taste.

Using that criteria as to whose voice should be heard as credible, then I would bet there are many here who you think should just shut up and go away.

355 Kenneth  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 10:22:46am

Is Obama an alien?

The evidence is overwhelming…

356 calcajun  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 10:23:11am

re: #353 Danny

The Salon article seems a bit slanted to the left to me.

Salon? slanted? Color me shocked.

357 Cato the Elder  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 10:23:14am

re: #94 ExPatriot

having fun making fun of nirthers, that’s what this is about. you guys complain and complain, but isn’t it great feeling superior to all those wackos out there? that’s what this is about.

Poor guy, he’ll never understand how true that is.

358 debutaunt  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 10:23:31am

re: #314 avanti

Nope, but he polls about a bit higher on Gallup then Rasmussen.

Differing criteria, I’d bet.

359 Spare O'Lake  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 10:23:36am

re: #340 Daria Emmons

What the hell is wrong with these Birther people???

Honestly, they make me physically ill.

Obama is selling the country down the river, and the Birthers are letting him do it, because any legitimate and real discussion of his policies have been obscured by lunatic theories about his birth certificate.

The Birthers are allowing Obama to have a free reign to wreck havoc, because they are destroying all legitimacy of his opposition.

It is disgusting and sick.

What you say is not accurate. There is plenty of legitimate and real discussion of Obama’s policies to go along with the nirther red herring.

360 Creeping Eruption  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 10:23:41am

OT: Barak to allow cement into Gaza for first time since Cast Lead

The Defense Ministry stressed that the supplies would be transferred directly to UNRWA, not Hamas, and that they would be used for UN buildings.

Well . . in that case, there surely is no problem, because . . you know … UNRWA has no connection with hamas whatsoever …

361 sattv4u2  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 10:23:59am

re: #329 iLikeCandy

Your avatar. What is it? A photo of a polar bear in a snow storm!?!?!?

362 karmic_inquisitor  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 10:24:00am

I understand that Republican Party big wigs are meeting over the next few days to plot strategy and tinker with the primary process.

Well here is an idea for them:

How about focusing on what Obama is rather than what he isn’t?

He isn’t a sekrit muslim born in a foreign land. And even if he were, those things wouldn’t do the damage to the country that he is doing by being who he is.

Who is he?

An inexperienced and deeply partisan socialist bent on dismantling the market economy in the name of attaining some “virtues” that few Americans embrace.

That is an easy, fat target to hit. And he has no defenses whatsoever on any of those points.

But keep up the nirtherisms, conspiracies and the other irrelevancies that appeal only to people who already don’t like the guy.

363 Son of the Black Dog  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 10:24:00am

re: #79 ExPatriot

if he had nothing to hide, he’d release it.

This particular horse flat-lined a long time ago.

364 CyanSnowHawk  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 10:24:01am

re: #298 SixDegrees

I want Ron Paul’s birth certificate. I don’t believe he was born on this planet.

Robots don’t have birth certs.

RP reminds me of the robot at the Pentagon that goes nuts over the Loch Nar in the first Heavy Metal movie and gets sucked back into the spaceship.

I tried to find a pic on Google image, but only found the ship.

365 eschew_obfuscation  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 10:24:21am

re: #297 thedopefishlives

The only reason I’d like to see Obama’s college records (and it’s not a demand, just a nice-to-have) is because I’d love to debunk the “smartest President in American history” line. The man can’t open his mouth without sticking his foot in it; it’s even worse than Dan Quayle was ever made out to be.

Well, we all know how making it through law school makes you smarter than college drop-outs… and better at understanding politics … //

366 Desert Dog  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 10:24:36am

re: #349 jvic

I bet he’d be polling better if the Republicans had their act together—because he wouldn’t dare try half the stuff he’s done. Of course he would never have been elected if the GOP had its act together.

I question whether O’s sinking numbers will translate into electoral gains for the GOP, especially in 2012. Once the voters take a hard look at the alternative… (If things keep going as they are, which hopefully they won’t.)

If Obama continues to do as he has done so far, the Republicans will get back some seats in the House and the Senate. If he keeps spending like he has been and his policies backfire, he’ll be looking at a much harder re-election in 2012 as well. This rush to pass stuff is going on because he knows he will not have the political capital to do it in the future.

“Why waste a good crisis” as one well-known associate has stated.

367 Charpete67  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 10:24:47am

re: #358 debutaunt

Differing criteria, I’d bet.

likely voter vs voting age

Rass is likely and Gallup is voting age…Rass was the closest in predictng the last election

368 [deleted]  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 10:24:53am
369 MikeAlv77  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 10:25:13am

re: #350 calcajun

His name is really “John” Paul and he’s a Red Lectroid from Planet 10

Buckaroo Banzai!!! What a great movie… definitely a guilty pleasure..

No matter where you go, there will be Nirthers…

370 Spenser (with an S)  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 10:25:24am

OT- does anyone know about the Bayh-Risch Letter referred to below by a mental incompetent?

The letter, which is the top item on the “Take Action” page on the AIPAC website, focuses exclusively on President Obama’s call for Arab states to take steps to normalize relations with Israel, making no mention of the president’s call for Israel to stop settlement activity (and implying that steps Israel has already taken - like removing some checkpoints and PM Netanyahu’s belated support for the two-state solution - are sufficient demonstration of Israel’s commitment to the peace process).

371 capitalist piglet  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 10:25:26am

re: #318 Kenneth

According to his bio at wiki, “For twelve years, Obama served as a professor of constitutional law at the University of Chicago Law School; as a Lecturer from 1992 to 1996, and as a Senior Lecturer from 1996 to 2004.”

Did he publish anything during that academic career? Publish or perish is the watchword of the academic, yet Obama lectures on law for 12 years and managed to publish nothing. Not one paper. He could not get elected chairman of the Faculty of Law with a record like that. In fact, he wouldn’t even make tenure. So what gives? The people of the United States elect him as President instead.

I find it odd that people with so much confidence in Obama’s intellect have such strong objection to curiosity about his academic past.

That seems contradictory to me.

372 Idle Drifter  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 10:25:44am

re: #363 Son of the Black Dog

This particular horse flat-lined a long time ago.

And its bones were made into a xylophone.

373 SixDegrees  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 10:26:08am

re: #364 CyanSnowHawk

Robots don’t have birth certs.

Then I want his serial number.

374 Desert Dog  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 10:26:45am

re: #357 Cato the Elder

Poor guy, he’ll never understand how true that is.

For one, I bet your brain (and mine) does not hurt when you “start to ciphering stuff”. Unlike some of our reality challenged “friends” over at NirtherCentral.

375 [deleted]  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 10:27:08am
376 Daria Emmons  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 10:27:55am

re: #359 Spare O’Lake

What you say is not accurate. There is plenty of legitimate and real discussion of Obama’s policies to go along with the nirther red herring.

I am not saying such discussion is not going on. But this discussion is being hidden by the barrage of “Birth certificate” craziness.

We should all be hunkering down and going after Obama where he in fact is wrong, and not waste valuable political capital peddling craziness. Because lest we forget, the “mainstream media” is lumping opponents of Obama into one big mushy ball.

377 Jack Burton  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 10:27:55am

re: #365 eschew_obfuscation

Well, we all know how making it through law school makes you smarter than college drop-outs… and better at understanding politics … //

Most of the lawyers who go into politics are the smartest dumb people in the country.

378 Desert Dog  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 10:28:01am

re: #373 SixDegrees

Then I want his serial number.

If you look at his right foot, stamped near the heel, it reads: CYBERDYNE SYSTEMS

379 CyanSnowHawk  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 10:28:10am

re: #369 MikeAlv77

Buckaroo Banzai!!! What a great movie… definitely a guilty pleasure..

No matter where you go, there will be Nirthers…

Laugh while you can Nirther boy!

380 debutaunt  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 10:28:11am

re: #335 iceweasel

Obama was offered a tenure track position at UChi multiple times, and turned it down. This is the equivalent, in the world of legal academia, of several times winning the Lotto and deciding to give your winning ticket away.

I’m sure that makes sense to someone.

381 [deleted]  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 10:28:38am
382 John Neverbend  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 10:28:40am

re: #16 ExPatriot

why won’t obama release his long-form birth certificate?

See The Birth Certificate, the Editorial. This is the best argument that I have read for not pursuing the question of Obama’s birth certificate.

383 MandyManners  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 10:28:47am

re: #354 reine.de.tout

Rush is not my cup o’ tea, and I have no desire to see anybody’s transcripts.

But your implication that people who have no education beyond High School must necessarily be idiotically stupid is a bit elitist for my taste.

Using that criteria as to whose voice should be heard as credible, then I would bet there are many here who you think should just shut up and go away.

That’s what earned my down-ding.

384 American Sabra  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 10:28:57am

re: #297 thedopefishlives

The only reason I’d like to see Obama’s college records (and it’s not a demand, just a nice-to-have) is because I’d love to debunk the “smartest President in American history” line. The man can’t open his mouth without sticking his foot in it; it’s even worse than Dan Quayle was ever made out to be.

I heartedly disagree, but I’ll leave it at that :)

Getting back to the article and moving away from the kooky Ex, it’s interesting that Steele is addressing this. Positive? or Negative? I don’t really know. Most politicians distance themselves from these people. And for good reason, they’re kooky and nothing you can do will satisfy them anyway. Probably why Bush ignored the Troothers. At any rate, it happens to all politicians, Right, Left and Center. Either their kids get attacked, or their spouses, something. Most ignore it and just move on.

I don’t know if calling attention to it is good or bad. Maybe Steele is saying this to try to 1) reel in the party/the crazies or those who may possibly join the crazies or 2) hoping others will come out and join him (speak against the Nirthers).

385 Ward Cleaver  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 10:29:02am

I looked on the GOP Web site (it’s currently under redesign), and couldn’t find any way to email Steele. I wish we had an email address where we could send notes of support, and ask him to unequivocally denounce the nirthers.

I did find a “GOP Leadership” page, but it was out of date (showed Bush, Cheney, and Mike Duncan on it).

386 jvic  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 10:29:04am

re: #335 iceweasel

Obama was offered a tenure track position at UChi multiple times, and turned it down. This is the equivalent, in the world of legal academia, of several times winning the Lotto and deciding to give your winning ticket away.

I have to agree, Ice. I presume that tenure is not automatic at the Chicago Law School, but they recruited him and IMO it’s extremely unlikely that somebody, especially a black candidate, who was Managing Editor of the Harvard Law Review would be turned down.

387 BlueRoses  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 10:29:20am

Good for Steele. I like the man and the crazies had better lay off or there won’t be a Repub part anymore.

388 Noam Sayin'  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 10:29:42am

re: #375 haavamaal

What do you have up on your blog?

389 subsailor68  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 10:30:02am

Afternoon all! Hope everyone’s well today.

Just thought I should point out that “Lunar Op” is an anagram for Ron Paul. Coincidence? Perhaps…perhaps not.

;-)

390 sattv4u2  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 10:30:13am

re: #380 debutaunt

I’m sure that makes sense to someone.

Barry could have had a “cushy” tenured professorship at the University of Chicago

391 Kenneth  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 10:30:20am

re: #375 haavamaal

If there arose any serious questions as to the legitimacy of any POTUS, or his or her continuing ability to discharge his duties, it would be up to congress to impeach the president.

392 Spare O'Lake  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 10:30:27am

re: #376 Daria Emmons

I am not saying such discussion is not going on. But this discussion is being hidden by the barrage of “Birth certificate” craziness.

We should all be hunkering down and going after Obama where he in fact is wrong, and not waste valuable political capital peddling craziness. Because lest we forget, the “mainstream media” is lumping opponents of Obama into one big mushy ball.

Agreed.
And if you’ll pardon my fwench, FUCK THE MSM!

393 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 10:30:29am

A few people are starting to say we should drop the Nirther stuff and talk about more substantive things. The fact is, Charles has committed at least a part of LGF’s resources to combating the insanity that is creeping in from the far-right corners of the Republican domain. If we don’t denounce the idiots among us, we have no right to complain when those idiots cost us our chance at putting this country back on track.

394 American Sabra  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 10:30:45am

re: #318 Kenneth

According to his bio at wiki, “For twelve years, Obama served as a professor of constitutional law at the University of Chicago Law School; as a Lecturer from 1992 to 1996, and as a Senior Lecturer from 1996 to 2004.”

Did he publish anything during that academic career? Publish or perish is the watchword of the academic, yet Obama lectures on law for 12 years and managed to publish nothing. Not one paper. He could not get elected chairman of the Faculty of Law with a record like that. In fact, he wouldn’t even make tenure. So what gives? The people of the United States elect him as President instead.

Still beats the hell out of a radio talk show whore, drug addict that couldn’t get through one semester of state college, yet said blowhard has probably as many followers as Obama.

395 karmic_inquisitor  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 10:30:47am

BTW -

It is my 20th wedding anniversary today.

Please think a kind thought for my wife who has put up with me all of these years.

396 SasquatchOnSteroids  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 10:30:49am

re: #385 Ward Cleaver

I looked on the GOP Web site (it’s currently under redesign), and couldn’t find any way to email Steele. I wish we had an email address where we could send notes of support, and ask him to unequivocally denounce the nirthers.

I did find a “GOP Leadership” page, but it was out of date (showed Bush, Cheney, and Mike Duncan on it).

I was going to do the same thing. Thanks for the heads up. I’ll poke around after lunch and maybe we can find one.

397 Danny  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 10:31:42am

re: #395 karmic_inquisitor

Congrats! You’re both lucky to have each other as long as you have.

398 Mad Al-Jaffee  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 10:31:44am

I want PROOF that OBAMA didn’t FAKE THE MOON LANDING!!!

399 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 10:31:50am

re: #278 HoosierHoops

Will be posting at LGF2 in 5-4-3-2-1

Probably was there first, then waited for an open reg window.

400 sattv4u2  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 10:31:52am

re: #395 karmic_inquisitor

BTW -

It is my 20th wedding anniversary today.

Please think a kind thought for my wife who has put up with me all of these years.

CONGRATS,,, (what was the original sentence, 20 to life???)) ((j/k))

401 Killgore Trout  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 10:31:58am

re: #395 karmic_inquisitor

Congratulations.

402 SasquatchOnSteroids  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 10:32:15am

re: #395 karmic_inquisitor

BTW -

It is my 20th wedding anniversary today.

Please think a kind thought for my wife who has put up with me all of these years.

Dear, Lord, Give that woman a prize and some patience.

//

Congrats !

403 KenJen  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 10:32:23am

re: #335 iceweasel

Obama was offered a tenure track position at UChi multiple times, and turned it down. This is the equivalent, in the world of legal academia, of several times winning the Lotto and deciding to give your winning ticket away.

re: #380 debutaunt

I’m sure that makes sense to someone.


Duh. It means Obama ran track for ten years at UChi. He won the Powerball several times and gave his tickets to charity.

404 John Neverbend  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 10:32:24am

re: #375 haavamaal

Let, just for the sake or argument, say that the Nirther’s claims prove true: What are they going to do about it? Impeach the 1st black president? Arrest him? The whole argument is f’n insane.

This conjures up a vision of a Honduras-like situation where Obama is whisked off in his pyjamas in the middle of the night to Mexico. Thereafter he sets up camp on the border and copies the antics of “Mel” Zelaya, going back and forth between the US and Mexico.

405 haavamaal  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 10:32:59am

re: #388 Noam Sayin’

Do I need a blog to have an opinion? Don’t go fascist on me.

406 Cato the Elder  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 10:33:02am

What gets me is how new nirthers and other whackaloons fall out every time Charles shakes the tree. You’d think they’d be scarce birds by now, at least here.

407 BlueRoses  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 10:33:03am

re: #391 Kenneth

If there arose any serious questions as to the legitimacy of any POTUS, or his or her continuing ability to discharge his duties, it would be up to congress to impeach the president.

Well that wouldn’t happen with Democratic control of everything so there goes that idea.

408 iceweasel  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 10:33:10am

re: #354 reine.de.toutbut su

Rush is not my cup o’ tea, and I have no desire to see anybody’s transcripts.

But your implication that people who have no education beyond High School must necessarily be idiotically stupid is a bit elitist for my taste.

Using that criteria as to whose voice should be heard as credible, then I would bet there are many here who you think should just shut up and go away.

FWIW, I did not read her as implying that someone without academic credentials must be idiots or stupid, but that it’s weird and inconsistent to think both that academic credentials are no measure of intelligence when in comes to Rush (for Rush fans), but suddenly vitally important when it comes to Obama.

I think the hunt for Obama’s school transcripts is silly, because we all know that formal education is no measure of intelligence. Some of the dumbest people I know have PhD’s from Ivy League unis, and one of the smartest and most well-read people I have ever met is a highschool dropout.

409 rightside  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 10:33:22am

re: #394 American Sabra

Typical lib. When you can’t win in the arena of ideas, resort to gratuitous ad-hominem attacks.

410 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 10:33:48am

re: #394 American Sabra

Still beats the hell out of a radio talk show whore, drug addict that couldn’t get through one semester of state college, yet said blowhard has probably as many followers as Obama.

Are you talking about a drug he took after surgery? The one they said wasn’t addictive? The drug that has class action law suits against the drug maker because it made people addicted? Just wondering.

411 calcajun  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 10:33:49am

re: #398 Mad Al-Jaffee

I want PROOF that OBAMA didn’t FAKE THE MOON LANDING!!!

Well, from what I heard from the girls, it was Michelle who faked a few things…//

412 turn  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 10:33:57am

re: #384 American Sabra

They already have joined him and spoke against the nirthers, all of them:

[Link: tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com…]

413 capitalist piglet  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 10:34:09am

re: #394 American Sabra

Still beats the hell out of a radio talk show whore, drug addict that couldn’t get through one semester of state college, yet said blowhard has probably as many followers as Obama.

If I were an Obama supporter, I would be careful flinging the “drug” references around.

414 CynicalConservative  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 10:34:16am

re: #405 haavamaal

Do I need a blog to have an opinion? Don’t go fascist on me.

Not at all, just that Charles doesn’t like to be told what to post on his blog. Go start your own blog so we can tell you what to post on it.

415 eschew_obfuscation  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 10:34:24am

re: #383 MandyManners

That’s what earned my down-ding.

Just out of curiosity, why would you down-ding for that?

416 Dianna  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 10:34:29am

Good for him.

Here’s to his drip-dry titanium vest and all who sail in her!

417 wrenchwench  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 10:34:49am

re: #405 haavamaal

Do I need a blog to have an opinion? Don’t go fascist on me.

You need a blog to discuss only those topics you deem “worthy.”

418 calcajun  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 10:35:07am

re: #413 capitalist piglet

If I were an Obama supporter, I would be careful flinging the “drug” references around.

Best if no one goes “sniffing” around that./

419 doppelganglander  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 10:35:07am

re: #395 karmic_inquisitor

BTW -

It is my 20th wedding anniversary today.

Please think a kind thought for my wife who has put up with me all of these years.

Congratulations!

420 Kenneth  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 10:35:26am
421 Spare O'Lake  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 10:35:31am

Let’s drop the nirther stuff, it is just plain crazy.

BTW, Barack Obama was born in a manger in Bethlehem on the West Bank, and that is why he is against Israeli settlements.

422 CyanSnowHawk  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 10:35:46am

re: #390 sattv4u2

Barry could have had a “cushy” tenured professorship at the University of Chicago

Ambitious men rarely settle for the ‘cushy’ option, and of the positive things that might be said of Obama, ambitious is one of them.

423 Cato the Elder  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 10:36:07am

re: #416 Dianna

Good for him.

Here’s to his drip-dry titanium vest and all who sail in her!

I have no idea what you’re talking about, but it reminds me of Connie in one of the Smiley books.

“Damn you, George Smiley. Damn you and all who sail in you.”

424 MandyManners  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 10:36:16am

re: #405 haavamaal

Do I need a blog to have an opinion? Don’t go fascist on me.

Don’t get pissy on Noam.

425 eschew_obfuscation  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 10:36:18am

re: #394 American Sabra

Still beats the hell out of a radio talk show whore, drug addict that couldn’t get through one semester of state college, yet said blowhard has probably as many followers as Obama.

Looks like he hit a nerve…

426 Spenser (with an S)  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 10:36:28am

re: #394 American Sabra

Still beats the hell out of a radio talk show whore, drug addict that couldn’t get through one semester of state college, yet said blowhard has probably as many followers as Obama.

Rush declares almost daily that he is not an intellectual or a college grad yet you sound like you’re breaking this news to us. You also sound like a very angry ivy-league grad without a job.

427 JohnnyReb  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 10:36:31am

re: #413 capitalist piglet

If I were an Obama supporter, I would be careful flinging the “drug” references around.

But he stayed away from the “hard” stuff…
/

428 capitalist piglet  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 10:36:46am

re: #418 calcajun

Best if no one goes “sniffing” around that./

SNORT! ; )

429 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 10:37:11am

re: #418 calcajun

Best if no one goes “sniffing” around that./

Wouldn’t want to inhale the scent of rodent.

430 iceweasel  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 10:37:18am

re: #386 jvic

I have to agree, Ice. I presume that tenure is not automatic at the Chicago Law School, but they recruited him and IMO it’s extremely unlikely that somebody, especially a black candidate, who was Managing Editor of the Harvard Law Review would be turned down.

Not only that, but a faculty position at UChi in legal academia is the just about the most prestigious position you can get in legal academia. They’re not passing them out like party favours and they aren’t filling quotas.

No need to take my word for it; talk to anyone you know who is a law professor.

If I knew enough about sports I could find a better analogy that people would get. :)

431 MandyManners  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 10:37:52am

re: #415 eschew_obfuscation

Just out of curiosity, why would you down-ding for that?

Because I read it the same way that Reine did.

432 wrenchwench  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 10:38:02am

re: #426 Spenser (with an S)

Rush declares almost daily that he is not an intellectual or a college grad yet you sound like you’re breaking this news to us. You also sound like a very angry ivy-league grad without a job.

American Sabra is a very sensitive Democrat. Given what Rush says daily about Democrats, I can understand her reaction.

433 reine.de.tout  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 10:38:27am

re: #408 iceweasel

but su

FWIW, I did not read her as implying that someone without academic credentials must be idiots or stupid, but that it’s weird and inconsistent to think both that academic credentials are no measure of intelligence when in comes to Rush (for Rush fans), but suddenly vitally important when it comes to Obama.

I think the hunt for Obama’s school transcripts is silly, because we all know that formal education is no measure of intelligence. Some of the dumbest people I know have PhD’s from Ivy League unis, and one of the smartest and most well-read people I have ever met is a highschool dropout.

Absolutely true, formal education (or where you got that education) is no measure of intelligence.

And perhaps I did read it wrong, but it did sound very “elitist”, whereas the way you wrote it:


it’s weird and inconsistent to think both that academic credentials are no measure of intelligence when in comes to Rush (for Rush fans), but suddenly vitally important when it comes to Obama.

does not.

434 Cato the Elder  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 10:38:33am

re: #422 CyanSnowHawk

Ambitious men rarely settle for the ‘cushy’ option, and of the positive things that might be said of Obama, ambitious is one of them.

Ambition by itself is neutral. Given the frequency of certain other aspects of human nature that tend to accompany it, it often tends toward the negative in effect.

435 SasquatchOnSteroids  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 10:38:36am

re: #394 American Sabra

Still beats the hell out of a radio talk show whore, drug addict that couldn’t get through one semester of state college, yet said blowhard has probably as many followers as Obama.

Not pedigreed enough for ya ?
That always makes me laugh.

436 John Neverbend  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 10:38:36am

re: #385 Ward Cleaver

I looked on the GOP Web site (it’s currently under redesign), and couldn’t find any way to email Steele. I wish we had an email address where we could send notes of support, and ask him to unequivocally denounce the nirthers.

I wonder if he’d also speak out in favour of neo-Darwinism (he asked, expecting the answer “no”).

437 MandyManners  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 10:38:44am

re: #423 Cato the Elder

I have no idea what you’re talking about, but it reminds me of Connie in one of the Smiley books.

“Damn you, George Smiley. Damn you and all who sail in you.”

Oh, goodness. I might have to re-evaluate my opinon of you.

438 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 10:38:55am

re: #360 Creeping Eruption

OT: Barak to allow cement into Gaza for first time since Cast Lead

Well . . in that case, there surely is no problem, because . . you know … UNRWA has no connection with hamas whatsoever …

We can trust the UN that they would never allow Hamas to use their buildings for weapons depots, or as hideouts for Hamas honchos.

/

439 eschew_obfuscation  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 10:38:56am

re: #431 MandyManners

Because I read it the same way that Reine did.

My bad… I thought (without looking) that you referred to HER post…

440 HoosierHoops  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 10:38:58am

re: #395 karmic_inquisitor

BTW -

It is my 20th wedding anniversary today.

Please think a kind thought for my wife who has put up with me all of these years.


Congrad’s on the 20 years.
/She doesn’t read the gun threads here does she? :)

441 iceweasel  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 10:39:00am

re: #413 capitalist piglet

If I were an Obama supporter, I would be careful flinging the “drug” references around.

What exactly is that supposed to mean?

442 American Sabra  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 10:39:07am

re: #354 reine.de.tout

Rush is not my cup o’ tea, and I have no desire to see anybody’s transcripts.

But your implication that people who have no education beyond High School must necessarily be idiotically stupid is a bit elitist for my taste.

Using that criteria as to whose voice should be heard as credible, then I would bet there are many here who you think should just shut up and go away.

Oh please, half the people here think I should just shut up and go away.

I do not have a college degree. I landed a good paying job out of high school and have kept it for many years. On the other hand, I don’t have a national radio show or website that spouts off ridiculous lies about the President. When I get such a show, then you can come on it and tell me what a moron I am. I don’t have a following. I influence no one. Both Obama and Rush do and when I look at men like them, men I really have no personal knowledge of, I have to go to their background and see what have they done in their lives to make a judgment if I should listen to them. I’ll take the nerd any day.

443 [deleted]  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 10:39:30am
444 FrogMarch  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 10:39:41am

re: #330 jcm

Obama in Raleigh:

The man is a liar.

445 Charpete67  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 10:40:10am

re: #443 buzzsawmonkey

I’ll take an honest media whore over a political Gramscian whore any day.

I think Air America wishes they had better whores…

446 CyanSnowHawk  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 10:40:22am

re: #424 MandyManners

Don’t get pissy on Noam.

Nobody likes the smell of a wet Noam.

447 Jack Burton  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 10:40:28am

re: #394 American Sabra

Still beats the hell out of a radio talk show whore, drug addict that couldn’t get through one semester of state college, yet said blowhard has probably as many followers as Obama.

If the aforementioned blowhard had finished school would it make a difference? If he had got a degree in communications or broadcasting would it really made a difference? Would he make a few hundred million a year instead of 50 or whatever? I’m pretty sure he could have sat through a Bio 101 class and still came out a creationist, so that wouldn’t matter either. Having a BA in Broadcasting would not make him any more of an authority on the subjects he talks about than not having one does.

A college education is not for everyone. If you want to be a scientist or an engineer obviously you need it. If you want to be a stand up comedian, and actor, or a TV/radio personality… it can be done, and done well without college. Those that figure it out early and decide to not waste their money, might even be “smarter” for doing so.

448 jvic  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 10:40:28am

re: #386 jvic

fre: #380 debutaunt

re: #335 iceweasel

Obama was offered a tenure track position at UChi multiple times, and turned it down. This is the equivalent, in the world of legal academia, of several times winning the Lotto and deciding to give your winning ticket away.

I’m sure that makes sense to someone.

It makes sense to me. In the unlikely event (see my #386 cited above) that he was denied tenure at Chicago, he would more or less automatically wind up with a tenured position at a second-tier university.

449 Killgore Trout  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 10:40:38am

A new report from Michael Yon: Night Into Day

My favorite is the “time to feed the cows” picture.

450 HoosierHoops  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 10:40:38am

re: #430 iceweasel

Not only that, but a faculty position at UChi in legal academia is the just about the most prestigious position you can get in legal academia. They’re not passing them out like party favours and they aren’t filling quotas.

No need to take my word for it; talk to anyone you know who is a law professor.

If I knew enough about sports I could find a better analogy that people would get. :)

mmm..300 million people in the US and only 32 starting pro quarterbacks?
/I tried

451 Desert Dog  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 10:40:49am

re: #430 iceweasel

Not only that, but a faculty position at UChi in legal academia is the just about the most prestigious position you can get in legal academia. They’re not passing them out like party favours and they aren’t filling quotas.

No need to take my word for it; talk to anyone you know who is a law professor.

If I knew enough about sports I could find a better analogy that people would get. :)

Get one for the Gipper?

Go Yankees, score a Touchdown!


:-)

452 debutaunt  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 10:40:50am

re: #430 iceweasel

Not only that, but a faculty position at UChi in legal academia is the just about the most prestigious position you can get in legal academia. They’re not passing them out like party favours and they aren’t filling quotas.

No need to take my word for it; talk to anyone you know who is a law professor.

If I knew enough about sports I could find a better analogy that people would get. :)

The contradiction in all of it, is his lack of published legal works. It’s confusing.

453 HelloDare  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 10:41:06am

What I wish Steele had said:

President Obama is a U.S. citizen and the chairman of the Republican party is not a creationist.

I haven’t been able to find out if Steele is a creationist. I have my suspicions, nothing more.

454 rightside  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 10:42:08am

re: #453 HelloDare

Email him, and ask.

455 [deleted]  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 10:42:10am
456 Dianna  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 10:43:12am

re: #423 Cato the Elder

I have no idea what you’re talking about, but it reminds me of Connie in one of the Smiley books.

“Damn you, George Smiley. Damn you and all who sail in you.”

It’s a flat-out steal from Dorothy Dunnett, Dolly and the Doctor Bird.

457 iceweasel  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 10:43:29am

re: #409 rightside

Typical lib. When you can’t win in the arena of ideas, resort to gratuitous ad-hominem attacks.

Uh, I have to point out that saying ‘typical lib’ is also an ad hominem attack.

458 Mad Al-Jaffee  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 10:43:43am

re: #395 karmic_inquisitor

BTW -

It is my 20th wedding anniversary today.

So you say! We want proof! Where’s your official narraige license?!!

459 badger1970  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 10:43:47am

re: #421 Spare O’Lake

No, wrong. He was born to a single mother who had a too close encounter with mediclorines on the Planet Tatooine. The rest is history. /

460 SasquatchOnSteroids  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 10:44:01am

re: #453 HelloDare

What I wish Steele had said:

President Obama is a U.S. citizen and the chairman of the Republican party is not a creationist.

I haven’t been able to find out if Steele is a creationist. I have my suspicions, nothing more.

As long as he doesn’t want to push it in school, I don’t care if he believes in Ra the Sun God.
I haven’t heard him say anything like that, though.

461 Kenneth  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 10:44:11am

re: #441 iceweasel

What exactly is that supposed to mean?

In college, Obama smoked pot and did the occasional line of coke.

462 LGoPs  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 10:44:28am

re: #442 American Sabra

Oh please, half the people here think I should just shut up and go away.

You just earned an upding from me for that astute observation.

463 [deleted]  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 10:44:31am
464 unrealizedviewpoint  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 10:44:33am

re: #441 iceweasel

What exactly is that supposed to mean?

Stoner

465 rightside  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 10:44:35am

I rest my case.

466 John Neverbend  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 10:44:35am

re: #453 HelloDare

What I wish Steele had said:

President Obama is a U.S. citizen and the chairman of the Republican party is not a creationist.

I haven’t been able to find out if Steele is a creationist. I have my suspicions, nothing more.

Fortunately, it’s not yet de rigueur to be a creationist if you’re Republican.

467 iceweasel  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 10:45:00am

re: #451 Desert Dog

Get one for the Gipper?

Go Yankees, score a Touchdown!

:-)

Heh. You see why I wouldn’t try to make a sports analogy. :)

/I’m not quite that bad, but close!

468 unrealizedviewpoint  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 10:45:20am
469 rightside  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 10:45:20am

re: #464 unrealizedviewpoint

Dude, where’s my economy?

470 HelloDare  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 10:45:34am

re: #454 rightside

Email him, and ask.

I have at least three times.

471 rightside  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 10:46:44am

re: #470 HelloDare

Good for you. I’d be suspicious too. I’d drive up to his house, but I try to avoid the peoples republic of maryland as much as I can.

472 karmic_inquisitor  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 10:46:45am

Thanks everyone for the kind thoughts.

Gotta attend to other stuff (flowers, surprise dinner, etc). See ya later.

473 SasquatchOnSteroids  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 10:46:59am

re: #470 HelloDare

I have at least three times.

What’s his contact address ?
I need it.

474 Desert Dog  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 10:47:01am

re: #442 American Sabra

Oh please, half the people here think I should just shut up and go away.

I do not have a college degree. I landed a good paying job out of high school and have kept it for many years. On the other hand, I don’t have a national radio show or website that spouts off ridiculous lies about the President. When I get such a show, then you can come on it and tell me what a moron I am. I don’t have a following. I influence no one. Both Obama and Rush do and when I look at men like them, men I really have no personal knowledge of, I have to go to their background and see what have they done in their lives to make a judgment if I should listen to them. I’ll take the nerd any day.

Hate him all you wish, he is successful for a reason. He is very good at what he does. I don’t agree with him all the time, but usually, I do. I have respect for our President as well. I just disagree with about everything he stands for, but I can see he is not stupid and is worthy of admiration.

I wish he would have taken that Professor position in Chicago rather than transform this country into something it has never been though.

475 quiet man  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 10:47:18am

if you do not know about Obama illegal drug use, you need to thank the LSM and then wonder what else they kept back in their reporting

476 Leonidas Hoplite  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 10:47:19am

re: #468 unrealizedviewpoint

Stoner?

I wonder if he got a free bowl of soup with that hat…or maybe a bag of Cheetos.

477 right_wing2  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 10:47:44am

re: #402 SasquatchOnSteroids

Congrats!

I’m not even at my 30 DAY anniversary yet! 7/4/2009

478 Honorary Yooper  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 10:48:27am

re: #459 badger1970

No, wrong. He was born to a single mother who had a too close encounter with mediclorines on the Planet Tatooine. The rest is history. /

According to the Dems, that was Cheney.

479 quiet man  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 10:48:29am

re: #476 Leonidas Hoplite
He must have got the cheetos because I think he is dangerously cheesy

480 iceweasel  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 10:49:08am

re: #461 Kenneth

In college, Obama smoked pot and did the occasional line of coke.

So did a lot of people. Let’s not pretend that Obama’s drug use was weird, excessive, or even unprecedented by a POTUS.

George W. Bush tried to turn aside more questions Friday about whether he has used illegal drugs, saying the message for the “baby boom” generation to send their children is: “Do not use drugs.”

Bush Thursday denied using illegal drugs over the past 25 years, but refused to discuss his younger years for fear of sending “a signal to children that whatever I may have done is okay”

[Link: www.cnn.com…]

I’m tired of the pretense that doing coke a couple of times (like Bush, like Obama) or smoking pot makes a person some kind of drug addict.

481 HelloDare  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 10:49:36am

re: #473 SasquatchOnSteroids

What’s his contact address ?
I need it.

[Link: www.gop.com…]

Email at the top left of the page. Mailing address at the bottom.

482 jvic  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 10:49:50am

re: #455 buzzsawmonkey

Tenure, of course, is always offered or awarded based upon the strictest academic criteria and the closest possible personal vetting. Just ask Ward Churchill if you have any doubts.

It’s an imperfect world.

483 SasquatchOnSteroids  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 10:49:55am

re: #481 HelloDare

[Link: www.gop.com…]

Email at the top left of the page. Mailing address at the bottom.

thx.

484 Desert Dog  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 10:50:12am

re: #467 iceweasel

Heh. You see why I wouldn’t try to make a sports analogy. :)

/I’m not quite that bad, but close!

Everytime I watch the NFL, my wife comes in and asks, “Are Dolphins on TV today?”. Finally, after a few years, I asked her why a person born in Manila, Philippines, raised in N. California and currently residing in Arizona likes the Miami Dolphins? She told me she just loves the color of their uniforms.

485 S'latch  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 10:50:17am

I completely agree with GOP Chairman Michael Steele that the issue of Obama’s citizenship is an unnecessary distraction. It is a colossal waste of time.

486 iceweasel  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 10:50:38am

re: #480 iceweasel


I’m tired of the pretense that doing coke a couple of times (like Bush, like Obama) or smoking pot makes a person some kind of drug addict.

BTW, Kenneth, I’m certainly not implying that you’re one of those people propagating that!

487 Charles Johnson  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 10:50:39am

re: #453 HelloDare

What I wish Steele had said:

President Obama is a U.S. citizen and the chairman of the Republican party is not a creationist.

I haven’t been able to find out if Steele is a creationist. I have my suspicions, nothing more.

I’d be willing to bet that if he’s ever pinned down on the question, he’ll say he’s in favor of teaching creationism alongside evolution. This is the GOP position. Many state platforms spell it out explicitly.

488 pingjockey  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 10:50:46am

re: #480 iceweasel

Gonna have to upding you for that!

489 Leonidas Hoplite  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 10:50:46am

re: #479 quiet man

He must have got the cheetos because I think he is dangerously cheesy

his policies certainly have the odiferous qualities of over-ripe camembert

490 Charpete67  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 10:51:09am

re: #480 iceweasel

[Link: www.cnn.com…]

I’m tired of the pretense that doing coke a couple of times (like Bush, like Obama) or smoking pot makes a person some kind of drug addict.

It’s when they try to lie about it that bothers me more…the “I didn’t inhale” thing was ridiculous.

491 subsailor68  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 10:51:20am

Well, I keep checking to see if there is any more detail about the Blue Dog Democrat “compromise” - but so far nothing. They’re fiscal conservatives, so one may assume it has something to do with how to pay for it, but who knows for sure?

So the bill portion in Energy and Commerce is now going through mark-up.

I’m very uncomfortable with the idea that a “compromise” has been reached, as the entire bill is a disaster for both health care in this country and the economy in general.

492 quiet man  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 10:51:38am

re: #480 iceweasel

You should know that Obama admits to the use…Bush doesn’t.

493 iceweasel  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 10:52:08am

re: #492 quiet man

You should know that Obama admits to the use…Bush doesn’t.

I do know that. Some would give Obama points for his honesty!

494 Dianna  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 10:52:09am

re: #489 Leonidas Hoplite

his policies certainly have the odiferous qualities of over-ripe camembert

Is there such a thing?!

Asked as a woman who has been known to fall upon small rounds of camembert and eat them with fruit.

495 HoosierHoops  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 10:52:19am

re: #480 iceweasel

[Link: www.cnn.com…]

I’m tired of the pretense that doing coke a couple of times (like Bush, like Obama) or smoking pot makes a person some kind of drug addict.


I saw an interview with Obama in the primaries when the reporter asked him if he inhaled..
Obama on queue said.. I thought that was the whole idea was to inhale.
I feel of the couch laughing…Clever answer…

496 [deleted]  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 10:52:20am
497 Targetpractice  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 10:52:44am

re: #487 Charles

I’d be willing to bet that if he’s ever pinned down on the question, he’ll say he’s in favor of teaching creationism alongside evolution. This is the GOP position. Many state platforms spell it out explicitly.

Which is complete and utter lunacy in this day and age, not to mention one of the many reason why the GOP continues to hemorrhage moderate voters. Steele and the rest of the leadership needs to realize that the “base” isn’t going anywhere and that coddling them isn’t going to bring in the new blood the party needs.

498 pingjockey  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 10:52:44am

re: #487 Charles
How sure are you of that Charles? Is it on a bunch? Damn, now I have to go check the WA state party platform, frakkin’ asshats.

499 experiencedtraveller  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 10:52:52am

re: #362 karmic_inquisitor

I understand that Republican Party big wigs are meeting over the next few days to plot strategy and tinker with the primary process.

Well here is an idea for them:

How about focusing on what Obama is rather than what he isn’t?

He isn’t a sekrit muslim born in a foreign land. And even if he were, those things wouldn’t do the damage to the country that he is doing by being who he is.

Who is he?

An inexperienced and deeply partisan socialist bent on dismantling the market economy in the name of attaining some “virtues” that few Americans embrace.

That is an easy, fat target to hit. And he has no defenses whatsoever on any of those points.

But keep up the nirtherisms, conspiracies and the other irrelevancies that appeal only to people who already don’t like the guy.

ITS THE SPENDING STUPID!

500 Leonidas Hoplite  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 10:53:19am

re: #493 iceweasel

I do know that. Some would give Obama points for his honesty!

It’s easier to be honest when you know the media won’t hold your feet to the fire over it.

501 quiet man  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 10:53:40am

re: #493 iceweasel

His honesty would have to emcompass far more about his past to get any real points

502 iceweasel  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 10:54:36am

re: #490 Charpete67

It’s when they try to lie about it that bothers me more…the “I didn’t inhale” thing was ridiculous.

Totally agree. I much prefer Obama’s “Of course I inhaled. That was the point!” :)

For that matter, I also prefer Bush’s refusal to lie; he just didn’t want to discuss it.

It’s nice that we’ve (most of us) moved on a bit and can be less hysterical about this issue.

503 American Sabra  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 10:54:52am

re: #432 wrenchwench

American Sabra is a very sensitive Democrat. Given what Rush says daily about Democrats, I can understand her reaction.

Very sensitive. Ok. Let me ask you, do you post on any leftie sites?

504 shiplord kirel  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 10:55:14am

We’re on Free Republic again.

“These idiots, like Steele, are part of the cover up.”

505 wrenchwench  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 10:55:49am

re: #503 American Sabra

Very sensitive. Ok. Let me ask you, do you post on any leftie sites?

I only comment here.

506 capitalist piglet  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 10:56:11am

re: #492 quiet man

You should know that Obama admits to the use…Bush doesn’t.

The point of my original comment was that a person in Obama’s corner, using prescription drug abuse as a rhetorical weapon against Rush Limbaugh, is treading on some pretty thin ice in light of Obama’s recreational drug use.

If I were trying to compare Obama favorably to Rush, I wouldn’t go there.

507 Desert Dog  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 10:56:15am

re: #491 subsailor68

Well, I keep checking to see if there is any more detail about the Blue Dog Democrat “compromise” - but so far nothing. They’re fiscal conservatives, so one may assume it has something to do with how to pay for it, but who knows for sure?

So the bill portion in Energy and Commerce is now going through mark-up.

I’m very uncomfortable with the idea that a “compromise” has been reached, as the entire bill is a disaster for both health care in this country and the economy in general.

I am guessing thumb screws and extreme arm twisting were involved…and a little you scratch my back and I’ll scratch yours…and, of course, some good old fashioned “if you do not vote for his, you are done in this house”…

We are S-C-R-E-W-E-D…nice knowing you USA…I hope the “new and improved version” is a success.

508 unrealizedviewpoint  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 10:56:19am

re: #500 Leonidas Hoplite

It’s easier to be honest when you know the media won’t hold your feet to the fire over it.

It’s just easier when you know the media won’t hold your feet to the fire over ANYTHING.

509 quiet man  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 10:56:26am

I always thought that when Clinton said he didnt inhale, all the hippies he was smoking with probably said “I knew he was a phoney!!”

510 Targetpractice  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 10:56:55am

re: #504 shiplord kirel

We’re on Free Republic again.

“These idiots, like Steele, are part of the cover up.”

I open the link and the first “advertisement” I see is FR demanding donations. Are you sure this was a link to FR, because it looks like DU.

511 iceweasel  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 10:57:02am

re: #488 pingjockey

Gonna have to upding you for that!

Cheers, mate! I updinged you before I forgot because I’m high right now.

/kidding.

//or am I?

:)

512 Arthur McGowan  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 10:57:08am

My understanding is that a “birther” is someone who says that Obama has not released his birth certificate, i.e., his long-form CertificATE of Live Birth.

And he hasn’t.

So, why the hysterical hostility to “birthers”?

513 albusteve  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 10:57:24am

re: #508 unrealizedviewpoint

It’s just easier when you know the media won’t hold your feet to the fire over ANYTHING.

I’ll wager BO flunked econ 101

514 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 10:57:31am

re: #504 shiplord kirel

We’re on Free Republic again.

“These idiots, like Steele, are part of the cover up.”

Someone asked, “When did Birthers become Nirthers?”
BWHAHAHAHAHA…

515 Leonidas Hoplite  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 10:57:39am

Here we go…

516 Killgore Trout  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 10:58:16am

re: #504 shiplord kirel

Freeper comment…

Steele (our token black chairman) needs to be thrown out of the RNC along with all the other RINOs. They add NOTHING to the GOP and we are FAR better off without them


Lovely people.
/

517 HelloDare  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 10:58:20am

re: #487 Charles

That’s what I think, too.

Every time a politician’s ad appears on LGF, I call and ask if he is a creationists. (Okay, I did it twice.) Never got an answer. I was passed around the office one time, finally got a woman who said that they don’t answer questions from people who aren’t constituents. (What about reporters?) I told her that is a rather shortsighted policy since I contribute to republicans all across the country. Silence ensued. Forget who the politician was. He was from Northern California.

518 reine.de.tout  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 10:58:25am

re: #512 Arthur McGowan

My understanding is that a “birther” is someone who says that Obama has not released his birth certificate, i.e., his long-form CertificATE of Live Birth.

And he hasn’t.

So, why the hysterical hostility to “birthers”?

The real question is … why the hysterical hostility of the “birthers” to the fact that Obama has released a legal birth certificate?

519 JohnnyReb  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 10:58:27am

re: #512 Arthur McGowan

My understanding is that a “birther” is someone who says that Obama has not released his birth certificate, i.e., his long-form CertificATE of Live Birth.

And he hasn’t.

So, why the hysterical hostility to “birthers”?

We need some Purple Smoke over here!

520 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 10:58:27am

Stoke the coals in the barbecue. We got ourselves a live one.

521 Desert Dog  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 10:58:30am

re: #509 quiet man

I always thought that when Clinton said he didnt inhale, all the hippies he was smoking with probably said “I knew he was a phoney!!”

Clinton did inhale…he just forgot to exhale

522 wrenchwench  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 10:58:33am

re: #512 Arthur McGowan

My understanding is that a “birther” is someone who says that Obama has not released his birth certificate, i.e., his long-form CertificATE of Live Birth.

And he hasn’t.

So, why the hysterical hostility to “birthers”?

Wrong. A birther says he hasn’t proved that he is a citizen.

523 Charpete67  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 10:58:37am

re: #502 iceweasel

Totally agree. I much prefer Obama’s “Of course I inhaled. That was the point!” :)

For that matter, I also prefer Bush’s refusal to lie; he just didn’t want to discuss it.

It’s nice that we’ve (most of us) moved on a bit and can be less hysterical about this issue.

If I see a photo of BHO in the white house eating frozen pizza’s and HO HO’s, at 2 in the morning, I’ll be concerned.

524 quiet man  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 10:58:50am

re: #506 capitalist piglet

and you are correct..Rush was using legal pain killers..probably nothing fun about it. Still, that comparison is typical for the left, since leaving out the meat of the thing is far too often just fine for them.

525 BlueCanuck  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 10:58:55am

re: #512 Arthur McGowan

*sigh* Because it’s flogging a dead horse.

526 unrealizedviewpoint  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 10:58:56am

re: #512 Arthur McGowan

My understanding is that a “birther” is someone who says that Obama has not released his birth certificate, i.e., his long-form CertificATE of Live Birth.

And he hasn’t.

So, why the hysterical hostility to “birthers”?


ATE? …stirring the pot. huh?

527 pingjockey  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 10:59:10am

re: #511 iceweasel
Mwahahaha! I may be sooner than later. Got a connection hooked up for when the chemo treatment really starts icking my ass! The problem is, what do I tell an 18, 16, 9 yr old young men why dad is smoking pot?!

528 HoosierHoops  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 10:59:22am

re: #511 iceweasel

Cheers, mate! I updinged you before I forgot because I’m high right now.

/kidding.

//or am I?

:)


Did you inhale?
[] Yes
[] No
[] I forget

529 Charpete67  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 10:59:27am

re: #512 Arthur McGowan

My understanding is that a “birther” is someone who says that Obama has not released his birth certificate, i.e., his long-form CertificATE of Live Birth.

And he hasn’t.

So, why the hysterical hostility to “birthers”?

…we got a live one here…

530 Killgore Trout  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 10:59:41am

re: #516 Killgore Trout

Another freeper…

I guess he’s black first… republican last…
531 wrenchwench  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 10:59:53am

re: #527 pingjockey

Mwahahaha! I may be sooner than later. Got a connection hooked up for when the chemo treatment really starts icking my ass! The problem is, what do I tell an 18, 16, 9 yr old young men why dad is smoking pot?!

Simple. It is medicine to you.

532 shiplord kirel  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 11:00:00am

re: #516 Killgore Trout

Freeper comment…


Lovely people.
/

A sad and sorry comment on the current state of a party that was founded for the specific purpose of fighting slavery.

533 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 11:00:01am

re: #512 Arthur McGowan

That’s hysterical !

534 Ward Cleaver  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 11:00:03am

The name Arthur MacGowan sounds like should be used in a limerick. Anyone want to take a crack?

535 albusteve  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 11:00:07am

re: #522 wrenchwench

Wrong. A birther says he hasn’t proved that he is a citizen.

that’s a birthist…different than a birther who claims BO was never actually born

536 Targetpractice  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 11:00:19am

re: #512 Arthur McGowan

My understanding is that a “birther” is someone who says that Obama has not released his birth certificate, i.e., his long-form CertificATE of Live Birth.

And he hasn’t.

So, why the hysterical hostility to “birthers”?

Because of the insistence that said form either A) Does not exist or B) Does not back up the assertion that Obama is a natural-born citizen. Both are absolute BS, because several people, including the Director of the Hawaiian Department of Health, not to mention the Republican governor of the state, have stated that it exists and the man is indeed a citizen.

It all comes down to who you believe: A group of people who have no reason (so far proven to me) to lie about the man having a long-form certificate of live birth and thus being a US citizen…or the same nuts who swear up and down to me that 9/11 was an inside job and Obama’s working on setting himself as El Presidente For Life.

537 Desert Dog  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 11:00:22am

re: #528 HoosierHoops

Did you inhale?
[] Yes
[] No
[] I forget


Are you:

[ ] stoned

or

[ ] stupid

538 Leonidas Hoplite  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 11:00:25am

re: #523 Charpete67

If I see a photo of BHO in the white house eating frozen pizza’s and HO HO’s, at 2 in the morning, I’ll be concerned.

I might be a little relieved…if he is suffering from a pot hangover everyday then he’ll be less able to get anything done. And he’ll get fat.

539 Jack Burton  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 11:00:28am

re: #504 shiplord kirel

We’re on Free Republic again.

“These idiots, like Steele, are part of the cover up.”

Oh cute…

Stuff it you fucking kooks. Isn’t there a moon landing or UFO crash “cover up” you need to be trying to expose from your grandmother’s basement?

3rd comment on that… calling for Steele to be tossed out. I’m surprised it took that long.

540 subsailor68  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 11:00:33am

Good grief. Max Baucus - here’s one of his latest:

Sen. Max Baucus, the Democrat leading the negotiations among three Democrats and three Republicans, said new estimates from the Congressional Budget Office show the plan that’s taking shape would cover 95 percent of Americans by 2015, and cost about $900 billion over 10 years — under the unofficial $1 trillion target the White House has set.

Health care progress reported in Congress

Hey Baucus, you’re happy with the idea that it is only projected to cost $900 billion - NOT a trillion? BFD. And by the way, take a look at the original projected cost for Medicare, and what it has actually turned out to be.

Then go look up the word “bankrupt.”

541 albusteve  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 11:00:58am

re: #530 Killgore Trout

Another freeper…

now that one does piss me off…no excuse

542 BlueCanuck  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 11:00:58am

re: #520 thedopefishlives

Stoke the coals in the barbecue. We got ourselves a live one.

May have to pass, the last one was a little too gamey. Anyone have some spare Rolaids™?

543 pingjockey  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 11:01:00am

re: #531 wrenchwench
There’s a thought. We’ve had the discussion before.

544 [deleted]  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 11:01:12am
545 Jack Burton  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 11:01:42am

re: #512 Arthur McGowan

Oh look… another one. How quaint.

546 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 11:02:01am

re: #527 pingjockey

Mwahahaha! I may be sooner than later. Got a connection hooked up for when the chemo treatment really starts icking my ass! The problem is, what do I tell an 18, 16, 9 yr old young men why dad is smoking pot?!

You explain it. They will understand. Then threaten to kill them if they take your stash.

547 pingjockey  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 11:02:02am

re: #544 buzzsawmonkey
Mwahahaha! That’ll work.

548 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 11:02:04am

re: #542 BlueCanuck

May have to pass, the last one was a little too gamey. Anyone have some spare Rolaids™?

But gamey buttocks are what we feast on.

549 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 11:02:12am

re: #534 Ward Cleaver

The name Arthur MacGowan sounds like should be used in a limerick. Anyone want to take a crack?

Naw. Let’s not stoop that low.
Let him immolate his own self.

550 sattv4u2  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 11:02:39am

re: #512 Arthur McGowan

My understanding is that a “birther” is someone who says that Obama has not released his birth certificate, i.e., his long-form CertificATE of Live Birth.

And he hasn’t.

So, why the hysterical hostility to “birthers”?

uugghh..
A) it’s a non issue
B) it makes conservatives look “hysterical”
C) I’d rather see theCONSPIRACY kooks all to the left of me (HALIBURTON ,,, CHENEY .,,, ROVE ,,,CHEMTRAILS )
D) {sigh}

551 iceweasel  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 11:02:40am

re: #512 Arthur McGowan

My understanding is that a “birther” is someone who says that Obama has not released his birth certificate, i.e., his long-form CertificATE of Live Birth.

And he hasn’t.

So, why the hysterical hostility to “birthers”?

My understanding is that a “birther” is someone who refuses to accept that Obama is American and refuses to accept any evidence they’re given to the contrary.

Here’s a question for you:
Why the hysterical insistence that Obama isn’t really a citizen?

552 BlueCanuck  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 11:03:37am

re: #548 thedopefishlives

True, unfortunately they can get a little too gamey. Maybe there wasn’t enough Cheetos in his diet.

553 Desert Dog  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 11:03:50am

re: #540 subsailor68

Good grief. Max Baucus - here’s one of his latest:

Sen. Max Baucus, the Democrat leading the negotiations among three Democrats and three Republicans, said new estimates from the Congressional Budget Office show the plan that’s taking shape would cover 95 percent of Americans by 2015, and cost about $900 billion over 10 years — under the unofficial $1 trillion target the White House has set.

Health care progress reported in Congress

Hey Baucus, you’re happy with the idea that it is only projected to cost $900 billion - NOT a trillion? BFD. And by the way, take a look at the original projected cost for Medicare, and what it has actually turned out to be.

Then go look up the word “bankrupt.”

Nevermind that, what is important is that we rush through this and cram a gigantic government program down the throats of the citizenry before the summer break.

We can read about it later, you know, after it’s the law of the land and we are stuck with it and on the hook for yet another trillion dollars we don’t have…

554 American Sabra  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 11:04:18am

re: #433 reine.de.tout

does not.

I love reading IceWeasel. She’s far more patient and eloquent than I am. It’s also nice that I happen to agree with her.

It’s ok. You all can insult me. What else would do without me to earn you monstrous updings.

555 Kenneth  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 11:04:34am

re: #480 iceweasel

I didn’t say he was ever a drug addict. My post was in response to your post, which was in response to somebody else post which was in response to Am Sabra’s snark against that drug addict radio show host, Rush.

556 pingjockey  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 11:04:56am

Good lord! Is the next thread a lulu for a title!?

557 Dianna  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 11:05:07am

re: #512 Arthur McGowan

Oh, not another one!

558 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 11:05:44am

18 months and five comments.
Whatcha wanna bet someone’s socking it to us?

559 American Sabra  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 11:05:44am

re: #505 wrenchwench

I only comment here.

Spend a month or two at KOS or maybe Huffington posts and then come back and call me thin skinned.

It’s not easy to sit and talk amongst people that disagree with you on so many levels.

560 BlueCanuck  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 11:05:45am

re: #556 pingjockey

Going for a trifecta me thinks. Heading on over.

561 Targetpractice  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 11:05:52am

re: #540 subsailor68

Good grief. Max Baucus - here’s one of his latest:

Sen. Max Baucus, the Democrat leading the negotiations among three Democrats and three Republicans, said new estimates from the Congressional Budget Office show the plan that’s taking shape would cover 95 percent of Americans by 2015, and cost about $900 billion over 10 years — under the unofficial $1 trillion target the White House has set.

Health care progress reported in Congress

Hey Baucus, you’re happy with the idea that it is only projected to cost $900 billion - NOT a trillion? BFD. And by the way, take a look at the original projected cost for Medicare, and what it has actually turned out to be.

Then go look up the word “bankrupt.”

Yeah, only $900 billion, like the “stimulus bill” is only $787 billion…until you factor in interest, not to mention all the unfunded mandates. But hey, they’re under Obama’s target cost, so obviously it’s a good thing.

/do I really need it?

562 Son of the Black Dog  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 11:06:07am

re: #390 sattv4u2

Barry could have had a “cushy” tenured professorship at the University of Chicago

If he was offered a tenure-track position, he would have had to produce a considerable number of accepted publications to get tenure, or even to keep his position. That might have been difficult for him, considering his total lack of having published anything beyond his two autobiographical books.

563 CynicalConservative  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 11:06:30am

re: #554 American Sabra

I love reading IceWeasel. She’s far more patient and eloquent than I am. It’s also nice that I happen to agree with her.

It’s ok. You all can insult me. What else would do without me to earn you monstrous updings.

You’d be a lot more interesting to read if you stopped begging for martyr cookies. I enjoy reading opinions from the other side whether or not I agree with it; the whiny woe is me stuff, not so much.

564 califleftyb  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 11:06:35am

Under US law the burden of proof rests with the accuser. But the people pushing this citizenship nonsense keep inventing new allegations and demanding Obama prove them wrong. Folks, that approach is the Napoleonic code of justice, which died with, well, Napoleon.

565 Leonidas Hoplite  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 11:06:38am

re: #551 iceweasel

My understanding is that a “birther” is someone who refuses to accept that Obama is American and refuses to accept any evidence they’re given to the contrary.

Here’s a question for you:
Why the hysterical insistence that Obama isn’t really a citizen?

Come now, Weasel, you know the answer to that. If Obambi isn’t a natural born US citizen, he can’t be President. They’re obviously grasping at straws, but if Obambi wasn’t born here and there was some proof of that…Joe Biden would be President! Think of the treasure trove of gaffes! He’d make Bush look like freakin’ Einstein!

566 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 11:06:49am

re: #557 Dianna

{Dianna}
How are you today, lady?

567 sattv4u2  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 11:07:34am

re: #559 American Sabra

Spend a month or two at KOS or maybe Huffington posts and then come back and call me thin skinned.

It’s not easy to sit and talk amongst people that disagree with you on so many levels.

Feh ,, I’ve been doing it for 20 plus years

Started the day after I said “I DO”!!!

568 Kenneth  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 11:07:51am

re: #512 Arthur McGowan

Did John McCain ever release his “long-form birth certificate”? How about G. W. Bush? Bill Clinton? G. H. Bush? Ronald Reagan? J. Carter?

I don’t know that any of them did.

569 lobo91  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 11:09:21am

re: #561 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Yeah, only $900 billion, like the “stimulus bill” is only $787 billion…until you factor in interest, not to mention all the unfunded mandates. But hey, they’re under Obama’s target cost, so obviously it’s a good thing.

/do I really need it?

And, of course, we’re talking about a bill that’s in one committee of one house of Congress.

God only knows what it’ll look like after it passes the full Senate and is reconciled with whatever abomination the House passes.

570 turn  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 11:10:12am

re: #534 Ward Cleaver

The name Arthur MacGowan sounds like should be used in a limerick. Anyone want to take a crack?

There once was a puppet named McGowan,
Who refused to believe the records before him.
He’d obfuscate and say,
There is no proof to this day,
and that’s when Charles out him.

571 wrenchwench  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 11:10:37am

re: #559 American Sabra

Spend a month or two at KOS or maybe Huffington posts and then come back and call me thin skinned.

It’s not easy to sit and talk amongst people that disagree with you on so many levels.

Your logic is lacking. I don’t need to subject myself to Kos or huffers to know thin skin when I see it. You show it when you say, “People want me to leave!” If it hurts you to have people disagree with you, either be specific about what hurt you, or toughen up and let it slide. Either way is better than whining.

572 wahabicorridor  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 11:10:57am

re: #540 subsailor68

Good grief. Max Baucus - here’s one of his latest:

Sen. Max Baucus, the Democrat leading the negotiations among three Democrats and three Republicans, said new estimates from the Congressional Budget Office show the plan that’s taking shape would cover 95 percent of Americans by 2015, and cost about $900 billion over 10 years — under the unofficial $1 trillion target the White House has set.

Health care progress reported in Congress

Hey Baucus, you’re happy with the idea that it is only projected to cost $900 billion - NOT a trillion? BFD. And by the way, take a look at the original projected cost for Medicare, and what it has actually turned out to be.

Then go look up the word “bankrupt.”

We got email from a staffer who workds for one of the 6 on the Senate Finance committee.
He said that CNN, Fox (and apprently The Hill) have the story wrong. “Progress has been made” but a deal is still far away.

And I THINK what Bauchus was referring to was the Medicare Sustainable Growth Rate calculation they’re thinking about that they asked CBO to score.

573 iceweasel  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 11:11:27am

re: #496 buzzsawmonkey

True. Which is precisely why merely stating that Obama was offered a tenured position does not, by itself, mean a hell of a lot.

Buzz, you’re right. That’s why where he was offered tenure does mean a lot, and the fact that he was offered it multiple times there. Talk to friends who are law professors and ask them about UChi’s law school standing and getting a faculty position there. It is a major deal to be offered it there.

The real issue if you’re arguing with a blind Obama-lover ought to be, “Ok, I’ll grant you that he’s an excellent prof of constitutional law. That doesn’t mean he’s qualified to be the POTUS.”

574 Dianna  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 11:12:15am

re: #566 pre-Boomer Marine brat

{Dianna}
How are you today, lady?

Hanging in there.

575 Targetpractice  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 11:13:03am

re: #569 lobo91

And, of course, we’re talking about a bill that’s in one committee of one house of Congress.

God only knows what it’ll look like after it passes the full Senate and is reconciled with whatever abomination the House passes.

This, of course, is still assuming they can actually get it through the Senate. While I see “compromise,” I don’t see all the Blue Dogs jumping on the bandwagon yet. I’m still somewhat hopeful that, short Nancy and Harry doing a full-court press to have the vote at midnight Friday, that the Blue Dogs and Repubs have a chance to hear the displeasure of their constituents over the break and once again come down hard against this bill.

I know, I’m starting to grasp at straws here, but that’s all I really have anymore. A week ago, it looked like Obama was against the ropes and waiting for the knock-out blow, but now it’s looking like he might have played a Rope-A-Dope and will come out of this battered but still standing.

576 iceweasel  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 11:14:21am

re: #555 Kenneth

I didn’t say he was ever a drug addict. My post was in response to your post, which was in response to somebody else post which was in response to Am Sabra’s snark against that drug addict radio show host, Rush.

Oh, I replied to my own post almost right away amending it Kenneth, to say that I knew you weren’t saying that! Apologies again though—I didn’t mean you or anyone else to take it that I was implying that about you.

577 jbolty  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 11:15:37am

re: #48 ExPatriot

you’re not answering my question. not a nirther here, but you’re making me think i should be one

Because not releasing it serves to keep the nirther nuts in the news and drags all the attention away from lots of other things that should be covered.

I agree with Charles. The whole thing is stupid. There is no possible way that there is ever going to be an overturning of the election, even if there really was an issue with the certificate. It just provides a handy club to bash all conservatives.

578 Kenneth  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 11:15:54am

re: #573 iceweasel

But was he an excellent prof of law? What courses did he teach? Why didn’t he publish anything?

You have to admit, it’s a rare prof who can lecture at a leading university for 12 years, not publish a damn thing, and still get offered tenure several times. What gives?

579 subsailor68  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 11:15:56am

re: #572 wahabicorridor

We got email from a staffer who workds for one of the 6 on the Senate Finance committee.
He said that CNN, Fox (and apprently The Hill) have the story wrong. “Progress has been made” but a deal is still far away.

And I THINK what Bauchus was referring to was the Medicare Sustainable Growth Rate calculation they’re thinking about that they asked CBO to score.

Ah, that could be I suppose…the article wasn’t specific on that point. But was the SGR originally thought to be one trillion?? (Don’t know - I haven’t seen that breakdown.)

580 iceweasel  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 11:18:03am

re: #554 American Sabra

I love reading IceWeasel. She’s far more patient and eloquent than I am. It’s also nice that I happen to agree with her.

It’s ok. You all can insult me. What else would do without me to earn you monstrous updings.

Well, you’re kind to say I’m more eloquent than you (I am not), and I know I’m not patient. I wish I were.

I love your opinions and know it’s hard to be in the minority. Sometimes I feel overwhelmed and it makes me overreact.

Hang in here! Please! Most people here are really cool. All of us get passionate sometimes, but that’s why we’re here, right?

cheers, iDub

581 calcajun  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 11:18:34am

re: #487 Charles

Could be worse. They could be against fluoridation because it saps and impurifies our precious bodily fluids. //

582 American Sabra  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 11:19:47am

re: #563 CynicalConservative

You’d be a lot more interesting to read if you stopped begging for martyr cookies. I enjoy reading opinions from the other side whether or not I agree with it; the whiny woe is me stuff, not so much.

As of late, nothing I say seems to satifsy, but that’s ok. Whiney, not whiney. Conservatives can call Obama (our President btw) the nastiest vile things, accuse him of deception that doesn’t exist, but I call a talk show host, A TALK SHOW HOST, one of how many around the country? I call him a drug addict and folks here go to pieces.

583 calcajun  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 11:20:09am

re: #580 iceweasel

Here here!

There’s no idea or concept that cannot be discussed as long as it is kept on an intellectually honest playing field.

584 SixDegrees  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 11:21:12am

re: #335 iceweasel

Obama was offered a tenure track position at UChi multiple times, and turned it down. This is the equivalent, in the world of legal academia, of several times winning the Lotto and deciding to give your winning ticket away.

I’m not sure what universities you’re familiar with, but around here a “tenure track” position is simply an entry-level professorship that may eventually lead to a tenured post. It’s the default for pretty much anyone taking an initial professorship position; they all eventually lead to tenure, with the exception of adjunct faculty or part-time postings, which generally don’t provide any benefits or perqs to speak of.

Once on the “track” to tenure, the professor must still spend several years paying their dues, and especially publishing in order to meet the many criteria required to qualify for tenure. Tenure is not guaranteed; it has to be earned through diligence, hard work and persistence over a significant period of time. The precise requirements vary from one institution to another and from field to field, but they are not trivial and tenure is not guaranteed.

I’ll leave the nearly inevitable argument over whether law professors are actually qualified to teach law, or are the dregs left over who couldn’t cut it in private practice to another discussion. But I’ve never considered an offer of a tenure track position to be akin to winning a lottery ticket, or to be at all rare.

585 reine.de.tout  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 11:22:15am

re: #554 American Sabra

I love reading IceWeasel. She’s far more patient and eloquent than I am. It’s also nice that I happen to agree with her.

It’s ok. You all can insult me. What else would do without me to earn you monstrous updings.

I do not believe I have insulted you.

I disagreed with what appeared to be your assessment of those with HS education vs. those with college education.

If you find disagreement to be insulting, then there is nothing I can do about that.

586 jvic  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 11:23:26am

re: #496 buzzsawmonkey

True. Which is precisely why merely stating that Obama was offered a tenured position does not, by itself, mean a hell of a lot.

Maybe I’m misreading it, but that statement strikes me as so sour-minded that I do not find continued discussion worthwhile.
***
OT: I am opposed to affirmative action, at least in its current perverted form. However, when a friend who is a beneficiary hints at guilt, I tell them not to worry about it. As it were, “When life gives you a gratuitous break, take it. Because when the world gives you an undeserved kick in the ass, it is not going to come fussing around to make amends.”

587 American Sabra  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 11:24:02am

re: #571 wrenchwench

Your logic is lacking. I don’t need to subject myself to Kos or huffers to know thin skin when I see it. You show it when you say, “People want me to leave!” If it hurts you to have people disagree with you, either be specific about what hurt you, or toughen up and let it slide. Either way is better than whining.

Sorry dear, but Reine told me to “just shut up and go away” up thread before I ever said a word, but I guess you conveniently decided not to see that.

588 wrenchwench  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 11:24:10am

re: #582 American Sabra

As of late, nothing I say seems to satifsy, but that’s ok. Whiney, not whiney. Conservatives can call Obama (our President btw) the nastiest vile things, accuse him of deception that doesn’t exist, but I call a talk show host, A TALK SHOW HOST, one of how many around the country? I call him a drug addict and folks here go to pieces.

And if that bothered me the way it bothers you, I would try to find one commenter who has posted both a nasty thing about Obama, and a vigorous defense of Limbaugh, and put both comments in one box with the word “hypocrite.” Otherwise you are making a vague smear against the whole group, many of whom might have agreed with you.

589 wahabicorridor  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 11:24:46am

re: #579 subsailor68

Ah, that could be I suppose…the article wasn’t specific on that point. But was the SGR originally thought to be one trillion?? (Don’t know - I haven’t seen that breakdown.)

I don’t know. I don’t know what the CURRENT SGR is, let alone how any of the bills intended to modify it. I do know that AMA couphed their support because of promises to modify - i.e., increase the rate so they’d get paid more.

590 CynicalConservative  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 11:25:01am

re: #582 American Sabra

As of late, nothing I say seems to satifsy, but that’s ok. Whiney, not whiney. Conservatives can call Obama (our President btw) the nastiest vile things, accuse him of deception that doesn’t exist, but I call a talk show host, A TALK SHOW HOST, one of how many around the country? I call him a drug addict and folks here go to pieces.

Sorry to say, life is not fair. Hope you stick around.

591 American Sabra  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 11:25:59am

re: #585 reine.de.tout

I do not believe I have insulted you.

I disagreed with what appeared to be your assessment of those with HS education vs. those with college education.

If you find disagreement to be insulting, then there is nothing I can do about that.

Other than telling me to leave, you didn’t insult me. Others did that and I was talking to those folks really. I have never found disagreement to be insulting.

592 SixDegrees  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 11:26:08am

re: #564 califleftyb

Under US law the burden of proof rests with the accuser. But the people pushing this citizenship nonsense keep inventing new allegations and demanding Obama prove them wrong. Folks, that approach is the Napoleonic code of justice, which died with, well, Napoleon.

Even in countries where the legal system puts the burden of proof on the accused, prosecutors are still obligated to produce evidence to back up their accusations; they are not allowed to simply charge people with unsubstantiated speculation. It is this evidentiary proof that the accused may be required to overturn or offer alternative explanations for, but there must be a tangible basis for the charges to begin with.

Nirthers offer no such thing. They begin and end with pure speculation, and don’t offer a single shred of evidence to back up their claims, demanding instead that the accused “prove them wrong.” This is a demand for a negative proof, a logical impossibility that is explicitly disallowed in all courts and formal systems of argumentation for the simple reason that it is ridiculous.

593 iceweasel  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 11:26:14am

re: #578 Kenneth

But was he an excellent prof of law? What courses did he teach? Why didn’t he publish anything?

You have to admit, it’s a rare prof who can lecture at a leading university for 12 years, not publish a damn thing, and still get offered tenure several times. What gives?

The fact that he’s in legal academia, not humanities, social sciences, or science, is one leading differential.

And it isn’t unheard of for people to be offered a great position in academia even when they haven’t published. It happens to the best and brightest, basically.

Also, I should rephrase. UChi did NOT offer him tenure repeatedly; what they repeatedly offered him was the standard 3 year tenure track position. Tenure would have been conditional upon him meeting the tenure requirements (the publications) in those three years (and other reqs as well, teaching evals, the dept work, etc).

Being offered that kind of position once, let alone multiple times, is amazing. (by that place, that it).

Obama could have taken it, but then he would have had to become a fulltime academic.

594 reine.de.tout  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 11:26:20am

re: #587 American Sabra

Sorry dear, but Reine told me to “just shut up and go away” up thread before I ever said a word, but I guess you conveniently decided not to see that.

Whoa!
I do not recall saying that.
Please show me where.

595 wrenchwench  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 11:26:24am

re: #587 American Sabra

Sorry dear, but Reine told me to “just shut up and go away” up thread before I ever said a word, but I guess you conveniently decided not to see that.

Pleas provide a link to the comment you are referencing. If you had read every comment, you would know that I got here late.

596 reine.de.tout  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 11:27:01am

re: #595 wrenchwench

Pleas provide a link to the comment you are referencing. If you had read every comment, you would know that I got here late.

I do not recall making such a comment.
I’ve also asked for a link to it.

597 acwgusa  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 11:27:59am

re: #575 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

This, of course, is still assuming they can actually get it through the Senate. While I see “compromise,” I don’t see all the Blue Dogs jumping on the bandwagon yet. I’m still somewhat hopeful that, short Nancy and Harry doing a full-court press to have the vote at midnight Friday, that the Blue Dogs and Repubs have a chance to hear the displeasure of their constituents over the break and once again come down hard against this bill.

I know, I’m starting to grasp at straws here, but that’s all I really have anymore. A week ago, it looked like Obama was against the ropes and waiting for the knock-out blow, but now it’s looking like he might have played a Rope-A-Dope and will come out of this battered but still standing.

Since debate from the full House got pushed to September, there is every chance we can still kill this farce of “health care reform” dead in its tracks.

598 reine.de.tout  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 11:28:23am

Here is the comment to which I think Sabra refers.
In my last sentence, I say that “I would bet there are many here who you think should just shut up and go away”.

I never said Sabra should shut up and go away.

re: #354 reine.de.tout

Rush is not my cup o’ tea, and I have no desire to see anybody’s transcripts.

But your implication that people who have no education beyond High School must necessarily be idiotically stupid is a bit elitist for my taste.

Using that criteria as to whose voice should be heard as credible, then I would bet there are many here who you think should just shut up and go away.

599 SixDegrees  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 11:28:51am

re: #592 SixDegrees

Even in countries where the legal system puts the burden of proof on the accused, prosecutors are still obligated to produce evidence to back up their accusations; they are not allowed to simply charge people with unsubstantiated speculation. It is this evidentiary proof that the accused may be required to overturn or offer alternative explanations for, but there must be a tangible basis for the charges to begin with.

Nirthers offer no such thing. They begin and end with pure speculation, and don’t offer a single shred of evidence to back up their claims, demanding instead that the accused “prove them wrong.” This is a demand for a negative proof, a logical impossibility that is explicitly disallowed in all courts and formal systems of argumentation for the simple reason that it is ridiculous.

Since this comes up a lot, I’ll point out that the demand for negative proof is also known as an “Argument from Ignorance,” and there is a short, comprehensive article examining why is is a fallacy that is well worth reading. The bulk of the nirther argument is easily recognized - and dismissed - in the examples.

600 American Sabra  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 11:32:19am

re: #596 reine.de.tout

I do not recall making such a comment.
I’ve also asked for a link to it.

It was in #354, but I see you didn’t say that at all. I apologize. The last paragraph:

Using that criteria as to whose voice should be heard as credible, then I would bet there are many here who you think should just shut up and go away.

I totally misread you.

Yes, however, there are lots here I wish should shut up and go away. Charles, however, has banned most of them already.

601 SixDegrees  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 11:33:37am

re: #578 Kenneth

But was he an excellent prof of law? What courses did he teach? Why didn’t he publish anything?

You have to admit, it’s a rare prof who can lecture at a leading university for 12 years, not publish a damn thing, and still get offered tenure several times. What gives?

I don’t believe he was ever offered tenure. Just a position that might eventually lead to tenure several years down the road, if all the requirements were met. A “tenure track” position is just a position with the possibility of tenure at some point in the future; it’s pretty much the standard entry level position for full time instructors as they begin their academic career.

602 John Neverbend  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 11:34:51am

re: #487 Charles

I’d be willing to bet that if he’s ever pinned down on the question, he’ll say he’s in favor of teaching creationism alongside evolution. This is the GOP position. Many state platforms spell it out explicitly.

Yes, I’m sure that’s what he would say. We have to be fair to both sides of the “discussion”. The next logical step is to teach astrology alongside astronomy.

603 wrenchwench  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 11:35:07am

re: #587 American Sabra

but I guess you conveniently decided not to see that.

By the way, this is snide and uncalled for.

I don’t know why I’m spending any time telling you how you are shooting yourself in the foot anyway. Maybe because Haak thinks you are a conservative deep deep down where you don’t even know it.

604 iceweasel  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 11:35:58am

re: #584 SixDegrees

I didn’t see this when I responded at 593— which essentially says what you did, but less eloquently than you did.

Being offered a tenure-track position at UChi’s law school is amazing. Ask professors of law. It’s more prestigious than Harvard Law, or even Yale, in terms of faculty positions. (not in terms of how they’re ranked as a law school for a student, but in terms of how difficult it is to obtain a faculty position there and the intellectual respect accorded you once you attain it.)

I suggest people here talk to people who have faculty positions in legal academia, in order to understand what these offers meant.

(BTW, obv I agree with what you said, just pointing out that tenure track there isn’t easy to get, at all)

605 midwestgak  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 11:37:11am

re: #587 American Sabra

Sorry dear, but Reine told me to “just shut up and go away” up thread before I ever said a word, but I guess you conveniently decided not to see that.

reine did no such thing. btw if she did tell you to “just shut up and go away” … before your ever said a word… that makes no sense at all.

606 iceweasel  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 11:38:31am

re: #602 John Neverbend

Yes, I’m sure that’s what he would say. We have to be fair to both sides of the “discussion”. The next logical step is to teach astrology alongside astronomy.

Exactly. Teach the controversy! Next up: Why the sun revolves around the earth, and the Ptolemaic conception of the universe.

Hey, it’s just another ‘theory’, right?

///

607 midwestgak  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 11:39:54am

re: #605 midwestgak

reine did no such thing. btw if she did tell you to “just shut up and go away” … before your ever said a word… that makes no sense at all.

sorry. got a little emotional while typing and didn’t read what I typed before posting.

608 American Sabra  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 11:40:04am

re: #603 wrenchwench

By the way, this is snide and uncalled for.

I don’t know why I’m spending any time telling you how you are shooting yourself in the foot anyway. Maybe because Haak thinks you are a conservative deep deep down where you don’t even know it.

Wench, you are snide to me all the time. You constantly tell me I’m too thick skinned to take criticism, you call me a victim and a whiner and do whatever you can to insult me. I’m not going to allow someone to simply humiliate me for the spectacle of it.

609 debutaunt  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 11:41:10am

re: #578 Kenneth

But was he an excellent prof of law? What courses did he teach? Why didn’t he publish anything?

You have to admit, it’s a rare prof who can lecture at a leading university for 12 years, not publish a damn thing, and still get offered tenure several times. What gives?

“Well, if it doesn’t jell, it isn’t aspic.”

610 wrenchwench  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 11:41:36am

re: #608 American Sabra

Wench, you are snide to me all the time. You constantly tell me I’m too thick skinned to take criticism, you call me a victim and a whiner and do whatever you can to insult me. I’m not going to allow someone to simply humiliate me for the spectacle of it.

Links to me doing any of those things?

611 reine.de.tout  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 11:42:13am

re: #600 American Sabra

I totally misread you.

Yes, however, there are lots here I wish should shut up and go away. Charles, however, has banned most of them already.

Respectfully, I suggest you rethink that bolded part, and instead consider using your powers of persuasion on those folks.

612 John Neverbend  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 11:42:44am

re: #487 Charles

I’d be willing to bet that if he’s ever pinned down on the question, he’ll say he’s in favor of teaching creationism alongside evolution. This is the GOP position. Many state platforms spell it out explicitly.

This doesn’t shed much light on the matter, but it’s interesting nevertheless.

Michael Steele: Standing Up for Faith and Family

613 reine.de.tout  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 11:43:21am

re: #605 midwestgak

reine did no such thing. btw if she did tell you to “just shut up and go away” … before your ever said a word… that makes no sense at all.

{gak}
thanks.

614 American Sabra  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 11:43:27am

re: #610 wrenchwench

Links to me doing any of those things?

No links. I made the whole thing up. I picked you, innocently, out of all these people here to pick on.

Whatever.

This is boring. I’m done.

615 wrenchwench  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 11:44:13am

re: #614 American Sabra

No links. I made the whole thing up. I picked you, innocently, out of all these people here to pick on.

Whatever.

This is boring. I’m done.

This is what I get for trying to be nice. She’s all yours, Haakondahl.

616 American Sabra  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 11:46:22am

re: #611 reine.de.tout

Respectfully, I suggest you rethink that bolded part, and instead consider using your powers of persuasion on those folks.

Oh I don’t agree! I don’t think many folks here care about what I say.

But to you, I really am very sorry for my statements. I was kind of surprised actually, because I mostly like what you write and you don’t generally get nasty even when attacked (I tend to get nasty when attacked… why I envy people like you and Ice). Anyway, really, I’m sorry about that.

617 midwestgak  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 11:46:29am

re: #611 reine.de.tout

Respectfully, I suggest you rethink that bolded part, and instead consider using your powers of persuasion on those folks.

{reine} once again you are the peace maker. Your suggestion to American Sabra hits the mark. Wise and kind.

American Sabra. reine is not your enemy.

618 Ben Hur  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 11:48:18am

re: #46 Ben Hur

Because he probably wasn’t born in the US.

C’mon.

I was just telling him what he wanted to hear!

(I’m surprised only 5 of you downdinged my ass)

619 American Sabra  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 11:48:24am

re: #615 wrenchwench

This is what I get for trying to be nice. She’s all yours, Haakondahl.

Try 571 for starters.

620 American Sabra  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 11:49:14am

re: #617 midwestgak

{reine} once again you are the peace maker. Your suggestion to American Sabra hits the mark. Wise and kind.

American Sabra. reine is not your enemy.

Your timing really stinks today LOL Please be careful when crossing the street ;)

621 wrenchwench  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 11:50:51am

re: #619 American Sabra

Try 571 for starters.

That’s the one where I said you should be specific. So be specific. Did 571 hurt your feelings? What part of it?

622 Kenneth  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 11:51:44am

re: #593 iceweasel

My guess is he didn’t take the offer because he had other ambitions, ie. politics. It’s still odd he was offered. In the academic fields I’m familiar with, it’s not only rare, but unheard of for a lecturer, without an advance degree (ie a masters or a PhD), and who has never published a single academic article, to be offered a tenure track position.

623 midwestgak  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 11:52:35am

re: #620 American Sabra

Your timing really stinks today LOL Please be careful when crossing the street ;)

It usually does. Be well.

624 American Sabra  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 11:56:18am

re: #621 wrenchwench

That’s the one where I said you should be specific. So be specific. Did 571 hurt your feelings? What part of it?

I’m not talking about “hurt feelings”. I’m talking about what you said to me that you denied saying to me.


re: #608 American Sabra

Wench, you are snide to me all the time. You constantly tell me I’m too thick skinned to take criticism, you call me a victim and a whiner and do whatever you can to insult me. I’m not going to allow someone to simply humiliate me for the spectacle of it.


Links to me doing any of those things?

571 shows you calling me a victim and a whiner. And if I scrolled up I’d find more and from yesterday.

Can we stop this already? I don’t know how this became a personal attack on you when I never mentioned your name in any post, ever.

625 iceweasel  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 11:57:44am

re: #608 American Sabra

Some people here are snide, and some sometimes have a bad day, and often people misinterpret comments. And sometimes some people will pretend that you are the victim or whiner when you get defensive because people have been piling on you all day.

There’s a double standard here. Because you’re expressing a minority opinion and an unpopular one you have to be more tolerant and more forebearing than those who attack you.

And because one is being attacked, it’s often easy to get angry or take umbrage at other people who didn’t necessarily mean their comments in the nastiest way possible.

At least, this is my experience. (i know because I do all the wrong things myself!)

I think it was really cool that you apologised more than once to reine because reine is a good example of someone who is intellectually honest and doesn’t hold a grudge, and who I often disagree with, even violently, but it stays civil and we respect each other.

Sorry if this comes off like I’m telling you what to do; I don’t mean to. I’ve been thinking a lot about the ‘commenting culture’ at LGF and the different strategies those of us on the left side employ. Avanti’s strategy is different from mine, for example. We all have to find what works for us. Sometimes it’s better to ignore certain posts. i remind myself of this all the time and don’t always do it.

Anyway, hope you don’t feel like no one wants you here, or appreciates you. Namaste.

626 iceweasel  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 12:02:01pm

re: #622 Kenneth

My guess is he didn’t take the offer because he had other ambitions, ie. politics. It’s still odd he was offered. In the academic fields I’m familiar with, it’s not only rare, but unheard of for a lecturer, without an advance degree (ie a masters or a PhD), and who has never published a single academic article, to be offered a tenure track position.

Kenneth, I’d totally agree with you about other fields, and about other lecturers, but it isn’t odd in this instance. All I can tell you is to talk to people in the field, in legal academia, and ask them (I did). I have my own criticisms of Obama, god knows, but there isn’t anything weird or funny going on here.

(also, the title of lecturer or senior lecturer at UChi law doesn’t mean what it does in other american unis. It’s more akin to the UK.)

627 Kenneth  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 12:05:13pm

re: #626 iceweasel

Ok. It’s not a huge deal, just an oddity to me. It suggests Obama was not the brilliant academic some people have suggested. It’s yet another data point in the big picture of Obama as an over-hyped, under-qualified politician.

628 wrenchwench  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 12:07:15pm

re: #624 American Sabra

571 shows you calling me a victim and a whiner. And if I scrolled up I’d find more and from yesterday.

Can we stop this already? I don’t know how this became a personal attack on you when I never mentioned your name in any post, ever.

Here is the text from #571, with my words in bold:

re: #559 American Sabra

Spend a month or two at KOS or maybe Huffington posts and then come back and call me thin skinned.

It’s not easy to sit and talk amongst people that disagree with you on so many levels.

Your logic is lacking. I don’t need to subject myself to Kos or huffers to know thin skin when I see it. You show it when you say, “People want me to leave!” If it hurts you to have people disagree with you, either be specific about what hurt you, or toughen up and let it slide. Either way is better than whining.

I don’t feel attacked. I feel you argue dishonestly. I was checking to see if you would argue honestly. You need work on your skills. I’m not trying to be mean. I want to see whether it’s worth discussing things with you. Looks like not.

I do apologize for pointing out to someone else why you react to Rush the way you do. That’s where this got started.

629 Bill Jefferson  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 12:07:35pm

Was Obama born in Hawaii, or if not, is he nonetheless a natural-born citizen? Are COLBs adequate as proof? Is there something he is hiding? And can Charles help put this all to rest?

1. Born in Hawaii? Probably. You can’t disprove a negative, but circumstantial evidence suggests the born-in-Kenya thing should not have legs. Why would a bigamist take his pregnant American teen second wife, while pregnant, to visit his family and other wife? Why would the knocked-up-at-17 daughter of a furniture salesman and wife of a foreign student travel to Africa in 1961 while pregnant? The African step-grandmothers statement was refuted as soon at it was uttered, and the interviewer was fishing for the misstatement rather than the truth.

2. Natural-born? Almost certainly. The statute that requires five years U.S. residence for one parent after age 14 seems to apply to Americans who had lived abroad, so even if the trip to Kenya happened, it might not apply. Nonetheless if the trip did happen, Obama could have and should have asked Congress to clarify as they did for the even-less-credible McCain issue.

3. COLB adequate? Not really, we should see the long form. That doesn’t mean the “short form not acceptable for a passport” story carries weight, since it goes without links and is promulgated by folks who hold on to the African grandma mistatement.

4. Hiding something? Could be. On page 26 of Dreams From My [Bigamist, Absentee, Commie] Father, Obama mentioned finding documents folded up along with his birth certificate, and focuses on one, a Honolulu newspaper article on Barack H. Obama Sr. There is reason to believe he still has the birth certificate he mentions in passing.

5. What Charles can do: Our fearless host and fauxtography expert should take a gander at what has been provided, images of the short form, and see if the “Photoshop signatures” others claim to see are there, or other artifacts of falsification.

630 wrenchwench  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 12:12:49pm

re: #629 Bill Jefferson

5. What Charles can do: Our fearless host and fauxtography expert should take a gander at what has been provided, images of the short form, and see if the “Photoshop signatures” others claim to see are there, or other artifacts of falsification.

He already did that! I can’t believe you missed it!

631 iceweasel  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 12:18:25pm

re: #627 Kenneth

Ok. It’s not a huge deal, just an oddity to me. It suggests Obama was not the brilliant academic some people have suggested. It’s yet another data point in the big picture of Obama as an over-hyped, under-qualified politician.

It’s being used that way, for sure, but I’ve checked this out. It definitely looks like an oddity if you’re not in the field. I said upthread that it’d be better to concede that he’s an excellent constitutional law prof, and then ask how that qualifies him to be POTUS.

(This is anecdotal, I know, but one of my sources in legal academia vis-a-vis UChi’s standing and the prestige of a tenure-track offer from them is a prof at an Ivy law school who isn’t a liberal and isn’t an Obama fan.)

I have sympathy with the whole “Obama isn’t the smartest president ever” idea, but attacking the UChi offers is not the way to show that.

As you say, it isn’t a huge issue and it’s not like there’s a shortage of other criticisms to make of Obama anyway.

632 American Sabra  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 12:24:06pm

re: #625 iceweasel

You’re a kind and good hearted person. And I see the others here, too. Anyway, thanks for your good words.

Maybe one day Wench and I will lay down the hatchet. It doesn’t particularly look like today is that day, however!

633 iceweasel  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 12:36:06pm

re: #632 American Sabra

You’re a kind and good hearted person. And I see the others here, too. Anyway, thanks for your good words.

Maybe one day Wench and I will lay down the hatchet. It doesn’t particularly look like today is that day, however!

Nah, I’m pretty snappish and snarky quite often. :)

I have to remind myself I’m at LGF. It’s interesting how different commenting cultures are on the right and on the left, and different again at LGF. There’s a lot of slang or references that are normal for me hanging out on the left that just wouldn’t be understood here at all. I’m constantly having to remind myself to ‘translate’. It’s interesting.

634 Land Shark  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 12:41:37pm

Good work by Steele standing strong for reason. Hopefully, enough nirther heads will explode and put an end to this most idiotic of issues. Or come to their senses and STFU.

Yeah, right, I’m dreamin, ain’t I? Nirthers, come to their senses? I’m getting a little carried away here…

635 American Sabra  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 12:43:09pm

re: #628 wrenchwench

You say I’m dishonest, but you deny saying things to me that you said not 5 minutes prior. Come on.

Many of us here would be happily sipping Skinny Vanilla Lattes around a table at Starbucks, listening to some reggae trio and having a terrific time if we were all face to face. Sometimes I forget what I write or the things I type come out sounding completely different than what’s in my head and sometimes my agenda gets in the way of what I think someone said to me. Sometimes I wish I had some SPEECH to actually express or expound on what I’m thinking. Some issues for me are crystal clear, some more fuzzy. I don’t think I’m alone in any of this so I try to be sympathetic to others. Doesn’t always work.

Really, that’s the best I can do presently.

636 Sharmuta  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 12:58:42pm

Anyone who says, “I’m not a nirther, but…” is a nirther.

637 shortshrift  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 1:00:35pm

re: #633 iceweasel

I feel that I am intruding on your and American Sabra’s private conversation, but I would really appreciate it if you could give me an example or two of the “slang or references” you use at leftist sites, that you sometimes have to “translate”. This is not a trap, nor a political jab. I am very interested in posting manners and mores.

638 gregb  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 1:04:33pm

I never really cared about the Nirthers, but after hearing the whitehouse press secretary address it in a briefing and seeing the constant one-upmanship…I have to admit that I’m thoroughly entertained and can’t wait to see what else they can come up with in the face of overwhelming evidence. It’s like a good bar shuffleboard match.

[Link: constitutionallyspeaking.wordpress.com…]

639 Salamantis  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 1:10:45pm

re: #410 Cannadian Club Akbar

Are you talking about a drug he took after surgery? The one they said wasn’t addictive? The drug that has class action law suits against the drug maker because it made people addicted? Just wondering.

She’s talking about Oxycontin, otherwise known as Hillbilly Heroin, which he bought in great quantities from multiple sources like Elvis Presley and Michael Jackson did with their narcotics of choice.

640 American Sabra  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 1:11:08pm

re: #633 iceweasel

Nah, I’m pretty snappish and snarky quite often. :)

I have to remind myself I’m at LGF. It’s interesting how different commenting cultures are on the right and on the left, and different again at LGF. There’s a lot of slang or references that are normal for me hanging out on the left that just wouldn’t be understood here at all. I’m constantly having to remind myself to ‘translate’. It’s interesting.

Snappy and snarky yes, but it’s somehow endearing when you do it LOL

I think I have 2 comments at HuffPo. Aren’t the posts in bright pink or something? It’s like impossible to read comments there. And maybe a handful scattered across the web at liberal sites, but what’s the point talking to Liberals? You only stretch your mind when you chat with those who see things different. I’ve never posted on other conservative sites. I can’t stomach any of them. I’ve never quite considered LGF a Conservative site though. I guess if you have to throw him in a bucket, but LGF has never been like the others.

641 American Sabra  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 1:13:31pm

re: #636 Sharmuta

Anyone who says, “I’m not a nirther, but…” is a nirther.

You might be a Nirther if…

I should write a book, go on stage, something.

642 wrenchwench  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 1:17:27pm

re: #635 American Sabra

You say I’m dishonest, but you deny saying things to me that you said not 5 minutes prior. Come on.

I did not call you a victim in #571 or anywhere else. I also did not call you a whiner. I gave examples of things better than whining. Am I dishonest for trying to imply you whined without calling you a whiner? I could accept that opinion.

What did I actually say to you that I then denied? If you don’t have an example, I am left with calling you dishonest, or else scrolling by. What else can I do?

Reine is nicer than I am, but I deserve the same level of honesty.

643 Lee Coller  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 1:30:15pm

Cost of certified Birth Certificate: $10
Cost of lawyers to prevent release of BC: $1,000,000
Having your ideological opponents wast time on wild conspiracy theories: Priceless

644 flyovercountry  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 2:10:19pm

re: #629 Bill Jefferson


3. COLB adequate? Not really, we should see the long form. That doesn’t mean the “short form not acceptable for a passport” story carries weight, since it goes without links and is promulgated by folks who hold on to the African grandma mistatement.

This is that perfect example of craziness that everyone is talking about. The, “COLB’” as you so dismissively put is is an accepted form of identification by every authoritative agency in every U.S. jurisdiction. Persuing this any further than that is nonsense. I am sorry to be this blunt, but what else can be said. The State of Hawaii has their laws and procedures, and is specifically not interested in the insane musings of people who refuse to believe that 2 + 2 does indeed equal 4.

645 garycooper  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 3:43:09pm

I don’t know about “climate change,” but AGW is probably the greatest hoax ever perpetrated on the American people. Not gonna argue about it, but it is right up there.

646 iceweasel  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 5:01:05pm

re: #637 shortshrift

I feel that I am intruding on your and American Sabra’s private conversation, but I would really appreciate it if you could give me an example or two of the “slang or references” you use at leftist sites, that you sometimes have to “translate”. This is not a trap, nor a political jab. I am very interested in posting manners and mores.

You’re not intruding at all!

It’s really interesting (to me)— the way there is this cultural divide between the two sides (on the internet). As American Sabra already said, I think LGF is unique. Also, like Sabra, I don’t feel any need to comment (much) on the other side—because I don’t find it useful to talk to people who mostly agree with me. And all the blogs I tend to like on the left don’t require registration…but interestingly, people use the same names anyway, and I see the same folks popping up on several blogs.

As for slang and references…one example I can give is that it’s very true that ‘the left’ blogosphere swears more than the right, and is far more florid and creative in its swearing. I think of LGF as ‘conservative’ sometimes in the sense that the community would utterly freak out if I responded in a way that would be natural on a ‘left’ site. I’m not talking about using epithets or saying ‘fuck you’ or ‘go fuck yourself’.

Here’s one: no one on the right seemed to know what ‘teabagging’ was. no one involved in the tea parties thought to run it through urban dictionary. That’s crazy.

Some less sexual references: there are pop culture references that are ‘normal’ on the left that don’t seem to be ‘normal’ on the right. Even today we had people not getting a ghostbusters reference. It’s odd. And Simpsons references! On the left, I can think of at least 3 other people who use ‘ice weasel’ as a nic, and everyone who reads it knows it’s a Simpsons ref—here, no one does. That was a huge shock to me.

It doesn’t seem to be an age thing, or a geography thing. I don’t know what it is. But it’s brought home to me that there are two different cultures, at least.

I can give you a list of idioms and expressions, if you want, that make sense on the left and that I can’t use here. Don’t know how useful that would be. (If you read a specific left web site and want to know the culture and references, I can help with that.)

647 iceweasel  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 5:04:01pm

re: #642 wrenchwench

I did not call you a victim in #571 or anywhere else. I also did not call you a whiner. I gave examples of things better than whining. Am I dishonest for trying to imply you whined without calling you a whiner? I could accept that opinion.

What did I actually say to you that I then denied? If you don’t have an example, I am left with calling you dishonest, or else scrolling by. What else can I do?

Reine is nicer than I am, but I deserve the same level of honesty.

You get what you give. Give respect, and then you’ll get it. You don’t ‘deserve’ honesty or respect when you don’t accord respect to others.

Reine isn’t only ‘nicer’ than you— she’s intellectually honest and respectful. That’s why others honour her and respect her.

648 shortshrift  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 5:09:38pm

re: #646 iceweasel

This is terrific. And I would like a list of idioms and expressions.
You are quite right about different cultures. I fear that soon there will not be a common language, or that the same words will have diametrically opposed meanings or connotations. I have been working out these ideas. (Sometimes on this site, which is not the best venue, perhaps!)

I have been called away. But will check in later, in case you have had the energy to supply more.

Thank you.

649 reine.de.tout  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 7:22:33pm

re: #647 iceweasel

You get what you give. Give respect, and then you’ll get it. You don’t ‘deserve’ honesty or respect when you don’t accord respect to others.

Reine isn’t only ‘nicer’ than you— she’s intellectually honest and respectful. That’s why others honour her and respect her.

Oh, Ice - while I appreciate your kind words about me, in reading wrenchwench’s post number 571, I saw the post doing exactly what she said she was doing, which is it laid out some constructive suggestions for how to navigate the LGF threads.
This advice:

If it hurts you to have people disagree with you, either be specific about what hurt you, or toughen up and let it slide.

Is perfect for really, anyone trying to make an impact on a thread.

650 jvic  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 9:33:17pm

re: #646 iceweasel

Here’s one: no one on the right seemed to know what ‘teabagging’ was. no one involved in the tea parties thought to run it through urban dictionary.

An alternative interpretation is that the culture which creates the terms in today’s urban dictionaries is decadent. Mind you, I’m not saying that is true, but I think it might be true. History will decide.

That’s crazy.

We completely disagree. It strikes me as crazy to suggest that mainstream middle-class people should check urban dictionaries to find out what words the hip snickering crowd has turned into double entendres. See my concern about decadence.

Some less sexual references: there are pop culture references that are ‘normal’ on the left that don’t seem to be ‘normal’ on the right. Even today we had people not getting a ghostbusters reference. It’s odd. And Simpsons references! On the left, I can think of at least 3 other people who use ‘ice weasel’ as a nic, and everyone who reads it knows it’s a Simpsons ref—here, no one does. That was a huge shock to me.

shrug I enjoy Rush Limbaugh if he happens to be on while I’m driving, but not enough to seek him out. Ditto, to a lesser extent, for the Simpsons.

It doesn’t seem to be an age thing, or a geography thing. I don’t know what it is. But it’s brought home to me that there are two different cultures, at least.

Unfortunately they both seem seriously flawed to me. From a secular perspective, I welcomed the rise of the religious right because it seemed a badly needed corrective to a left that has lost its compass. I viewed the rr as natural allies in the Big Tent. No need to say that my attitude has changed.

651 Ricblog  Thu, Jul 30, 2009 12:06:24am

Few argue citizen; many argue natural born citizen.
ric

652 iceweasel  Thu, Jul 30, 2009 1:22:46am

re: #648 shortshrift

This is terrific. And I would like a list of idioms and expressions.
You are quite right about different cultures. I fear that soon there will not be a common language, or that the same words will have diametrically opposed meanings or connotations. I have been working out these ideas. (Sometimes on this site, which is not the best venue, perhaps!)

I have been called away. But will check in later, in case you have had the energy to supply more.

Thank you.

Here’s a few references that aren’t dirty. They basically all mean the exact opposite of what they appear to say. Consider this a shorter guide to the liberal blogosphere. :)

cobag: colostomy bag. Used in place of douchebag as being gender neutral.

“i am/we are aware of all internet traditions”
(genesis here)

Related: “Shorter X”. Explanation at prior link.

“This is an argument that has never been made with such detail or care.”
Used in mockery; reference to Jonah Goldberg, aka the Doughy Pantload, who said this about his book liberal fascism…two years before it was written. Especially hilarious because of the tangled publication history (the launch date kept being pushed back because poor Jonah couldn’t finish it), and because Jonah’s idea of ‘research’ involved a blogpost saying : “I’m working on a chapter of the book which requires me to read a lot about and by Herbert Spencer. There’s simply no way I can read all of it, nor do I really need to. But if there are any real experts on Spencer out there—regardless of ideological affiliation—I’d love to ask you a few questions in case I’m missing something.”
Upon receiving emails from an actual scholar, the Pantload got pissy. So yeah: Liberal fascism= two words next to each other.

No one could have predicted…
Bush reference. “No one could have predicted…” means “any goddamn moron could have predicted, you fucking idiot and liar.”. Reference is to Katrina and the infamous: “No-one could have predicted that the levees would break”.

“Pasty” = Jeff Goldstein, blogger at protein wisdom, mocked as protein jizzdom. Also Cockslapper. “Pasty” is one of those pop culture references I mentioned earlier that are common currency elsewhere but not so much here. Short for ‘paste-eater’, Ralph Wiggum (simpsons). Someone not very bright.

There’s also a shitload of just general popculture references and internet geekery that I don’t see here. I don’t quite know how to explain the differences systematically.

653 iceweasel  Thu, Jul 30, 2009 1:31:44am

re: #650 jvic

It strikes me as crazy to suggest that mainstream middle-class people should check urban dictionaries to find out what words the hip snickering crowd has turned into double entendres. See my concern about decadence.

Well, I’m not suggesting we all need to read urban dictionary all the time. But in the internet age, I think it’s crazy for a political movement (or a company) to create a neologism or an acronym without googling it. There’s way too much slang out there and it proliferates so rapidly (to say nothing of text-speak)—to me this is just good sense.

It’s clear that there is a massive culture disconnect, and also a general cluelessness about the internet on the right. It’s weird that for about two weeks the entire left side of the blogosphere was in hysterics about the teaparty posts and signs saying “Teabag the Dems before they teabag you” and no one in the movement or blogging about it seemed to have a clue until Maddow did a piece on it. I’m not saying everyone ‘should have’ known that word, but that it’s really odd that the rightwingers blogging about it apparently don’t read anyone on the left. (We read them, which is why I think it’s weird. )

It’s interesting that the left owns the internet, just as the right owns talk radio.

654 iceweasel  Thu, Jul 30, 2009 1:42:55am

re: #652 iceweasel

Here’s a few references that aren’t dirty. They basically all mean the exact opposite of what they appear to say. Consider this a shorter guide to the liberal blogosphere. :)

cobag: colostomy bag. Used in place of douchebag as being gender neutral.

BTW, the point of “cobag” is to also mock ourselves and our own tendency to worry about politically correct speech.

It’s weird that the other terms I just mentioned are, in a way, all about irony and saying the opposite of what we appear to be saying. There’s this shared knowledge that renders the use of a sarc tag needless. Interesting.
Anyway, hope you see this, I would love to talk with you more sometime about your ideas about our separate linguistic communities.

655 jvic  Thu, Jul 30, 2009 4:49:51am

re: #653 iceweasel

grrr I accidentally deleted an extended response.

1. Struggle over language is part of the culture wars. I grant that a side, even if it doesn’t go along, should monitor how the other side is trying to change the rules.

2. I’m increasingly tuning out the entire political internet & moving toward fact, fiction and nonpartisan opinionating. I tuned out the left before the right. The Obama/UChi discussion here has been an eye-opener.

3. It’s hard to remember that even 15 years ago the GOP was the party of ideas.

4. Iirc the right had the Internet with Instapundit etc. Kos and the like came along later and took it away.

5. Maybe rightwing radio is not seriously contested because it drives away more votes than it attracts.

6. Iirc (in case you didn’t see it) this was motivated by one of your posts or updings. See this too.
***
Oh!…good morning, Ice…hope your day is a good one… :-)

656 iceweasel  Thu, Jul 30, 2009 5:35:08am

re: #655 jvic


2. I’m increasingly tuning out the entire political internet & moving toward fact, fiction and nonpartisan opinionating. I tuned out the left before the right. The Obama/UChi discussion here has been an eye-opener.

How so? curiosity on my part, not an attack of any sort.

4. Iirc the right had the Internet with Instapundit etc. Kos and the like came along later and took it away.

It’s very true. I think it peaked in 2004 though. Really, the best moment was Charles and rathergate. It’s a mystery to me that Time named Powerline blog of the year then— it ought to have been LGF.

more on this below:

5. Maybe rightwing radio is not seriously contested because it drives away more votes than it attracts.

But liberals just aren’t good at (political) talk radio in the US. I love talk radio and AirAmerica was awful. Just not fun to listen to, not interesting…I’d much rather listen to Rush and always do when I have a US roadtrip.

(although anyone who works at home and likes talk radio should be listening to Radio4, all day, every day. Especially if you like literature. IMO.)

I wonder why liberals dominate the internet now. I think it’s got something to do with the format. Talk radio is top-down content. The Internet is not. (esp if you have a comment section, which many on the right, like Instapundit, do not). The old joke is “ask 3 liberals, get 4 opinions” and it’s true— liberals love nothing more than arguing with each other. That philosophy perfectly suits the internet, and generates lots of content.


6. Iirc (in case you didn’t see it) this was motivated by one of your posts or updings. See this too.

I didn’t see! thanks! will check out!
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Oh!…good morning, Ice…hope your day is a good one… :-)

Back at you. :)

657 jvic  Thu, Jul 30, 2009 5:57:37am

re: #656 iceweasel

…The Obama/UChi discussion here has been an eye-opener.

How so? curiosity on my part, not an attack of any sort.

(No attack inferred.) I counted the updings to this post. Isaiah 6 9:10. (Heaven willing, I won’t tar myself with my own brush!)

It’s a mystery to me that Time named Powerline blog of the year then— it ought to have been LGF.

Subtle establishmentarian retaliation against Charles?

But liberals just aren’t good at (political) talk radio in the US. (*snip*) That philosophy perfectly suits the internet, and generates lots of content.

Good points.

I find the liberal look-and-feel more congenial than the conservative even though I agree with conservative intellectual wariness. Otoh, I consider myself more libertarian than conservative—and IMO libertarians are argumentative to a pathological, collectively self-destructive degree.

658 shortshrift  Thu, Jul 30, 2009 4:47:05pm

re: #652 iceweasel

You have been most kind to supply this material.
When I first started reading comments on this site - a long time before I posted one - I was greatly astonished by the amount of in-group expressions. I find the same on almost every site I visit - of whatever political view. It would be interesting to know how many expressions are site-specific. My experience tells me that this would be the case - as each site develops its own culture, especially when there is a well-established group of individuals who comment frequently and consciously see themselves as a community.
I appreciate your time. You have give me a lot to consider.


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