HuffPo: Crazy About Health

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The new age quackery at the Huffington Post is starting to be obvious even to Salon: The Huffington Post is crazy about your health.

The Huffington Post is one of the most valuable pieces of real estate on the Internet these days. It operates mostly as a news aggregation site (it has featured Salon stories) and throws open its doors to a wide range of bloggers, who cover everything from politics to entertainment. “When it comes to health and wellness issues, our goal is to provide a diverse forum for a reasoned discussion of issues of interest and importance to our readers,” Arianna Huffington, the site’s namesake founder, author, socialite and pundit, told me.

I would like to believe her. But that diverse forum appears defined mostly by bloggers who are friends of Huffington or those who mirror her own advocacy of alternative medicine, described in her books and in many magazine profiles of her. Among others, the site has given a forum to Oprah Winfrey’s women’s health guru, Christiane Northrup, who believes women develop thyroid disease due to an inability to assert themselves; Deepak Chopra, who mashes up medicine and religion into self-help books and PBS infomercials; and countless others pitching cures that range from herbs to blood electrification to ozonated water to energy scans.

As a physician, I am not necessarily opposed to alternative health treatments. But I do want to be responsible and certain that what I prescribe to patients is safe and effective and not a waste of their time and money. A recent Associated Press investigation stated the federal government has spent $2.5 billion of our tax dollars to determine whether alternative health remedies — including ones promoted on the Huffington Post — work. It found next to none of them do. The site also regularly grants space to proponents of the thoroughly disproven conspiracy that childhood vaccines have caused autism. In short, the Huffington Post is hardly a site that promotes “a reasoned discussion,” in its founder’s words, of health and medicine.

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417 comments
1 pink freud  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 7:59:33pm

If Huffpo is what is considered "valuable" these days, we're in for a world of hurt.

2 danrudy  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 8:00:06pm

OT...I have posted this on several threads becasue I think people will enjoy. FOrgive me for the multiple postings...I thnk the LGF crouwd will enjoy this...

FOlks ...THIS is damn FUNNY...I came across this in another blog. The guy typed up a letter like the rather /bush memo regarding the Nirther conspiracy.
He got more hits on his blog then ever before and had to add a disclaimer at a later date that a joke becasue some fools were taking it seriously. It is Very funny!
[Link: blog.robballen.com...]

3 quickslow87  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 8:01:23pm

The HuffPost is interesting but not something I would want to read on a daily basis.

4 Sharmuta  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 8:02:13pm
Among others, the site has given a forum to Oprah Winfrey’s women’s health guru, Christiane Northrup, who believes women develop thyroid disease due to an inability to assert themselves

Women like this give feminists a bad name. Embarrassing.

5 MandyManners  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 8:02:16pm

I wonder if the Huffers love Van Jones.

6 Sharmuta  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 8:02:50pm

re: #2 danrudy

It was already posted here on the front page.

7 fizzlogic  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 8:03:20pm

I have to admit, I sort of have a crush on Tara Stiles over at HuffPo. :)

8 danrudy  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 8:03:30pm

I believe it was Oregon (maybe wrong state) that has their own version of socialized medicine. Apparantly they wont pay for liver transplants but I bet they will pay for reflexology and chiropractic...

oh boy...I better start making plans to go to cuba for my annual check ups

9 mikalm  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 8:03:47pm

As I've said before about Arianna Nothington: I wonder how much of this stems from her ongoing involvement with John-Roger Hinkins and the MSIA cult. J-R & MSIA are major promoters of all sorts of pseudoscientific tomfoolery.

10 SasquatchOnSteroids  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 8:03:58pm

Blood electrification ?

I think I'll pass.

11 danrudy  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 8:04:50pm

re: #6 Sharmuta


Good grief...Did I miss that?...very embarrassed. I thought that the guys typed up letter was so funny that I posted it in multiple threads for the LGF crowd.
...back to my hole

12 American Sabra  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 8:05:04pm

re: #4 Sharmuta

Women like this give feminists a bad name. Embarrassing.

Especially The Oprah. I have never been a fan. Sometimes merely saying that makes folks pretty cranky.

13 HelloDare  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 8:05:06pm

Wonder if it occurred to the good doctor that the HuffPost might be whacked when it comes to other topics and not just health.

14 tradewind  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 8:05:11pm

Colon cleansing for swine flu prevention?
Well, I will grant them one thing... they are soo full of shiite.

15 MrPaulRevere  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 8:05:32pm

re: #9 mikalm

Fascinating stuff, I'd never heard that, thanks.

16 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 8:06:40pm

re: #5 MandyManners

I wonder if the Huffers love Van Jones.

I dunno, but much of what gets posted there is Alex Jones-level crazy.

17 Sharmuta  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 8:06:42pm

It's not very reassuring that this anti-science/anti-intellectualism is prevalent on the left too. This means both sides of the aisle will want their elected officials pushing crap medicine and science on us. Not good.

18 danrudy  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 8:06:50pm

re: #6 Sharmuta

It was already posted here on the front page.

Sharmutta( my old nemesis). Can you help me out here? I dont see this on the front page. where???

19 Erik The Red  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 8:07:26pm

Sharmuta you have won. Listening to Nirvana Unplugged In New York. I forget how damn good Kurt was.:)

20 mikalm  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 8:09:01pm

re: #15 MrPaulRevere

Fascinating stuff, I'd never heard that, thanks.

If you're seriously interested in the subject, check out this book. There's a full chapter in it about Huffington's deep involvement with MSIA back when her then-hubby was trying to buy a U.S. Senate seat.

21 Sharmuta  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 8:09:02pm

re: #18 danrudy

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

22 American Sabra  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 8:12:04pm

When he says "alternative health remedies", I assume he's talking about holistic medicine, but that's still a pretty general term. I have friends that swear by acupuncture. One stopped smoking, the other had relief from back pain. Rubbing two crystals together and burying them in backyard, no, but some "alternative" things can help. Along with seeing your doc and asking his opinion.

I have another friend who refused chemo for his cancer. Flew overseas for alternative treatments and died shortly after. The incredibly sad part is that it was Hodgkin's lymphoma which is almost always completely curable by modern medicine. This is the real horror of relying on quackery.

23 SasquatchOnSteroids  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 8:12:11pm
A more regular Huffington Post blogger is Dr. Srinivasan Pillay. According to his biography, Pillay is everything from a "psychiatrist" to "certified master coach" to "brain-imaging researcher" to "public speaker." Last March, Pillay wrote a piece, "The Science of Distant Healing," which began with the following question and bold claim: "There is much written about how our good intentions help others. But can your good intentions really reach someone who is not physically present, and how do we know this? In this column, I will present the current evidence that discusses this phenomenon and provide some explanations as to why distant healing has a place in modern scientific thinking." He went on to cite a "well-designed study" that proves that people, by using their thoughts, can heal (or harm) others who are sick in other locations.

Terrific.

24 danrudy  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 8:12:11pm

re: #21 Sharmuta


Yup...that's it.
THanks.
SHeesh! you miss one little update...

Hilarious anyways...especially the folks who thought he was serious.

25 MandyManners  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 8:12:19pm

re: #13 HelloDare

Wonder if it occurred to the good doctor that the HuffPost might be whacked when it comes to other topics and not just health.

Read the link in mikalm's No. 9.

26 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 8:13:40pm

And Huffington has given a platform to Jim Carrey. From the article:

As if the circus tent couldn't get any bigger, this April, the site posted a piece, "The Judgment on Vaccines Is In???" by actor and comedian Jim Carrey. In addition to the usual anti-vaccine platitudes -- blaming doctors for being in bed with drug companies; attacking people instead of data -- Carrey offered arguments apparently composed by Ace Ventura:

"I've also heard it said that no evidence of a link between vaccines and autism has ever been found. That statement is only true for the CDC, the AAP and the vaccine makers who've been ignoring mountains of scientific information and testimony. There's no evidence of the Lincoln Memorial if you look the other way and refuse to turn around. But if you care to look, it's really quite impressive."

While we might expect loose analogies and logic from a celebrity blogger, we might also expect them to take a little care with the facts. Carrey's piece contains multiple mistakes. He writes, for example, that vaccines contain "ether, and anti-freeze." They don't. Still, the post went up and generated thousands of comments, including many that pointed out Carrey's errors. Huffington states that the site's "policy calls for factual errors in blog posts to be corrected by the blogger within 24 hours of the error being pointed." Carrey's post appeared on April 22 and still hasn't been corrected.

So now Ariana is in bed with anti-vaxers. I hope she has soaps that can wash the blood off her hands.

27 HelloDare  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 8:13:46pm

In other words, when you know the facts, you realize that the HuffPost spews nonsense and bile.

28 solomonpanting  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 8:14:42pm
In short, the Huffington Post is hardly a site that promotes “a reasoned discussion,” in its founder’s words, of health and medicine.

IOW, HuffPo is all it's quacked up to be.

29 Fenway_Nation  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 8:15:02pm

re: #26 Dark_Falcon

So now Ariana is in bed with anti-vaxers. I hope she has soaps that can wash the blood off her hands.

Lava's pretty good for that.

/or so I heard.

30 yesandno  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 8:15:29pm

I'm going to Huff and Puff and show you that concensus is science...because I say so

/Ariana

31 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 8:15:37pm

re: #28 solomonpanting

IOW, HuffPo is all it's quacked up to be.

Well, that's just ducky.

32 Kosh's Shadow  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 8:15:51pm

re: #22 American Sabra

My wife's back was helped tremendously by a chiropractor.
But then, if chiropractic can help anything, that would be the back.

Much of the stuff out there is completely bogus, though

33 solomonpanting  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 8:16:22pm

re: #31 Dark_Falcon

Well, that's just ducky.

Or else daffy.

34 mikalm  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 8:16:27pm

re: #22 American Sabra

Personally, I'm a big believer in chiropractic treatment as an adjunct to orthodox medical care. But the stuff promoted by HuffPo, Oprah and the like is largely worthless and occasionally quite dangerous.

35 Fenway_Nation  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 8:17:01pm

re: #31 Dark_Falcon

I'd like to try my hand at some duck puns, but I'd probably just lay an egg.

36 Sharmuta  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 8:17:09pm

re: #22 American Sabra

When he says "alternative health remedies", I assume he's talking about holistic medicine, but that's still a pretty general term. I have friends that swear by acupuncture. One stopped smoking, the other had relief from back pain. Rubbing two crystals together and burying them in backyard, no, but some "alternative" things can help. Along with seeing your doc and asking his opinion.

I have another friend who refused chemo for his cancer. Flew overseas for alternative treatments and died shortly after. The incredibly sad part is that it was Hodgkin's lymphoma which is almost always completely curable by modern medicine. This is the real horror of relying on quackery.

My only foray into what might be considered "alternative" medicine was massage therapy. My doctor wanted to give me muscle relaxers for my back spasms, but I went to a HS friend with a massage therapy license, and I'm glad I did. He helped my back, and I didn't need drugs.

37 HelloDare  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 8:17:16pm

re: #25 MandyManners

Read the link in mikalm's No. 9.

I remember that. John-Roger is a poisonous toad.

38 tradewind  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 8:18:01pm

re: #26 Dark_Falcon

That's because Jim Carrey's girlfriend is the leading antivaxer ditz in Hollywood, Jenny McCarthy, who blames immunizations for her child's autism.

39 Gearhead  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 8:18:07pm

re: #10 SasquatchOnSteroids

Blood electrification ?

Isn't that how Keith Richards keeps his boyish good looks?

40 Last Mohican  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 8:18:22pm

re: #1 pink freud

If Huffpo is what is considered "valuable" these days, we're in for a world of hurt.

True. But I'm keeping an open mind about HuffPo. I'm considering bestowing upon them the ringing endorsement that Charles recently awarded the New York Times: "Not Worthless."

I'm not sure yet, but I'm keeping an open mind.

41 MrPaulRevere  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 8:18:34pm

When they talk about 'herbal therapy' at HuffPo, I have a sneaky feeling they are focused on one herb, if you get my drift.

42 Fenway_Nation  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 8:18:41pm

re: #39 Gearhead


I thought thtat was by snorting a line of his father's ashes...

43 Sharmuta  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 8:19:04pm

re: #41 MrPaulRevere

When they talk about 'herbal therapy' at HuffPo, I have a sneaky feeling they are focused on one herb, if you get my drift.

Which does have medicinal value.

44 SasquatchOnSteroids  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 8:19:05pm

re: #39 Gearhead

Isn't that how Keith Richards keeps his boyish good looks?

I think you've got that confused with blood evacuation.

45 Irenicum  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 8:19:13pm

re: #41 MrPaulRevere

In the words of Jim Carrey, "Smokin'!"

46 albusteve  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 8:19:23pm

re: #36 Sharmuta

My only foray into what might be considered "alternative" medicine was massage therapy. My doctor wanted to give me muscle relaxers for my back spasms, but I went to a HS friend with a massage therapy license, and I'm glad I did. He helped my back, and I didn't need drugs.

if you suffer enough you will take drugs...there is a threshold

47 tradewind  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 8:19:43pm

re: #34 mikalm

Chiropractic treatment of spinal problems has resulted in stroke and aneurysm when the ' adjustment ' goes wrong. Just me, but I'm not that brave.

48 Cato the Elder  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 8:19:50pm

Speaking of wacko health nuts, you all really owe it to yourselves to read the NYT Magazine's recent story about how war criminal Radovan Karadzic hid out among the loonjobs in Serbia's alternative medicine demimonde.

He apparently had a special knack for reviving spermatozoa with hand rays, or something.

Not. Kidding.

[Link: www.nytimes.com...]

49 Kosh's Shadow  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 8:20:04pm

re: #31 Dark_Falcon

Well, that's just ducky.

A quack and a ducky? Calls for some Black Adder, where he goes to Dr. Leech:

Youtube Video
50 Gearhead  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 8:20:12pm

re: #44 SasquatchOnSteroids

I think you've got that confused with blood evacuation.

Oh, you're right.

If I was his blood, I'd want to get the hell out of there, too.

51 mikalm  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 8:20:21pm

re: #41 MrPaulRevere

When they talk about 'herbal therapy' at HuffPo, I have a sneaky feeling they are focused on one herb, if you get my drift.

LOL! And even that herb has legitimate medical uses.

52 Last Mohican  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 8:20:22pm

re: #39 Gearhead

Isn't that how Keith Richards keeps his boyish good looks?

It really is amazing how gracefully he has aged, isn't it?

53 Kosh's Shadow  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 8:20:40pm

re: #35 Fenway_Nation

I'd like to try my hand at some duck puns, but I'd probably just lay an egg.

Don't worry; no one will send you a bill.

54 albusteve  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 8:20:44pm

re: #39 Gearhead

Isn't that how Keith Richards keeps his boyish good looks?

Richards is a valuable commodity for science

55 itellu3times  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 8:21:03pm

Yah, I'm skeptical about skeptics about "alternative", too.

Some of the stuff works, and if conventional studies can't prove it, the studies are incompetent or lying.

Of course, a ton of the stuff is absolute garbage, and I wish the conventional studies were more helpful sorting it out.

As to Huffpo, that's all boguuus.

56 MandyManners  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 8:21:05pm

re: #48 Cato the Elder

Speaking of wacko health nuts, you all really owe it to yourselves to read the NYT Magazine's recent story about how war criminal Radovan Karadzic hid out among the loonjobs in Serbia's alternative medicine demimonde.

He apparently had a special knack for reviving spermatozoa with hand rays, or something.

Not. Kidding.

[Link: www.nytimes.com...]

He could juice up the ji aw, never mind.

57 NYNY  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 8:21:06pm

can we play conspiracy geography?
goes like this:
anti-vaccination -> nirther -> "real killer" (of JFK) -> Roswell -> ???

58 swamprat  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 8:21:24pm

re: #47 tradewind

Chiropractic treatment of spinal problems has resulted in stroke and aneurysm when the ' adjustment ' goes wrong. Just me, but I'm not that brave.

People have died from getting a root canal, but I still go to a dentist.

59 American Sabra  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 8:21:54pm

re: #32 Kosh's Shadow

My wife's back was helped tremendously by a chiropractor.
But then, if chiropractic can help anything, that would be the back.

Much of the stuff out there is completely bogus, though

Indeed. Chiropractic medicine was once considered holistic. Now it's covered by most insurance companies.

I do "alternative" things for minor ailments. For instance, applying pressure to some key body points (doesn't that sound like fun!) really helps headaches. I'm a migraine sufferer. The best point for me is about an inch below the inside of your elbow, where your arm bends. Press hard with your thumb. The fleshy part of your palm is another, under the thumb. Rubbing the bottom of your big toe is another (although that one doesn't work for me very well). Think I'm crazy? (Don't answer that). Try it next time you have a headache.

Hey, maybe I should post on HuffPo!

60 Kosh's Shadow  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 8:22:13pm

re: #54 albusteve

Richards is a valuable commodity for science

I think there is a picture in his attic that died years ago.

61 HelloDare  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 8:22:29pm

re: #39 Gearhead

Isn't that how Keith Richards keeps his boyish good looks?

Keith Richards has been dead for two years. Nobody wants to be the one to tell him.

62 Sharmuta  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 8:22:41pm

re: #51 mikalm

LOL! And even that herb has legitimate medical uses.

Yes it does. It's unfortunate it's been so demonized and stigmatized that legitimate research is difficult.

63 Cato the Elder  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 8:23:03pm

re: #48 Cato the Elder

Here's how Ratty Van was able to transform himself:

[Link: althouse.blogspot.com...]

I particularly dig the topknot. Classic misdirection!

64 albusteve  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 8:23:25pm

re: #59 American Sabra

Indeed. Chiropractic medicine was once considered holistic. Now it's covered by most insurance companies.

I do "alternative" things for minor ailments. For instance, applying pressure to some key body points (doesn't that sound like fun!) really helps headaches. I'm a migraine sufferer. The best point for me is about an inch below the inside of your elbow, where your arm bends. Press hard with your thumb. The fleshy part of your palm is another, under the thumb. Rubbing the bottom of your big toe is another (although that one doesn't work for me very well). Think I'm crazy? (Don't answer that). Try it next time you have a headache.

Hey, maybe I should post on HuffPo!

yes

65 Kosh's Shadow  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 8:23:27pm

re: #61 HelloDare

Keith Richards has been dead for two years. Nobody wants to be the one to tell him.

You sure he isn't taking a year dead for tax purposes?

66 SasquatchOnSteroids  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 8:23:50pm

re: #60 Kosh's Shadow

I think there is a picture in his attic that died years ago.

heh.

67 Killgore Trout  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 8:23:52pm

re: #1 pink freud

If Huffpo is what is considered "valuable" these days, we're in for a world of hurt.

It's a very sad state of affairs but Huffpo is one of the better blogs going these days. Their coverage of the Iranian uprising was excellent while right wing bloggers were frantically covering the Letterman insulting Palin scandal. As bad as the lefties are they aren't even close to the nonsense spewed by right wing blogs. Michelle Malkin has advocated every conspiracy theory to come down the pike in the past six months with the possible exception of Nirth Certifikit. She's never once posted and update or correction. Glenn Reynolds has written editorials praising Ron Paul, linked to Ron Paul articles, posted financial doomsday scenarios from Lew Rockwell's site and even linked to articles praising militias and libertarian arguments against democracy. FUCKING DEMOCRACY! Hot air is slightly better but not by much. Hot Air commenters frequently refer to the First Lady as "The First Wookie". Free Republic is indistinguishable from Stormfront.
The right wing blogosphere has gone AWOL and somebody had to step in to fill the void.

68 HelloDare  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 8:24:15pm

Keith Richards is like a shrunken head, all over.

69 Kosh's Shadow  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 8:24:19pm

Boy, the duck puns went down quickly.

70 Irenicum  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 8:24:20pm

re: #49 Kosh's Shadow

Ah, Black Adder. Never at a loss for a brilliant plan. Among my top ten shows indeed!

71 albusteve  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 8:24:45pm

re: #61 HelloDare

Keith Richards has been dead for two years. Nobody wants to be the one to tell him.

you wish...send us a picture of you beautiful self so we can compare, just to be fair

72 Last Mohican  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 8:24:47pm

re: #47 tradewind

Chiropractic treatment of spinal problems has resulted in stroke and aneurysm when the ' adjustment ' goes wrong. Just me, but I'm not that brave.

Arterial dissection, to be specific. Which can lead to pseudoaneurysm formation, but, also stroke, which is usually the bigger problem, and can be incredibly devastating.

73 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 8:24:58pm

re: #60 Kosh's Shadow

I think there is a picture in his attic that died years ago.

Upding for the Oscar Wilde reference.

74 HelloDare  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 8:25:18pm

re: #65 Kosh's Shadow

You sure he isn't taking a year dead for tax purposes?

England won't let him die. He still owes taxes.

75 Killgore Trout  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 8:25:30pm

re: #48 Cato the Elder

Very odd. The Russians have a strange knack for that stuff too.

76 danrudy  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 8:25:51pm

re: #34 mikalm

re: #47 tradewind

You are very true and I have seen this more then a handful of times in my career in health care
...having someone violently twist your neck with sudden acceleration motions isnot exactly what the bosy was designed for...my advice is DONT GO.

77 Kosh's Shadow  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 8:25:54pm

re: #70 Irenicum

Ah, Black Adder. Never at a loss for a brilliant plan. Among my top ten shows indeed!

"I've got a cunning plan, M'lord"
"Baldrick, you wouldn't know a cunning plan if it danced naked on a harpsichord singing 'cunning plans are here again'"

78 mikalm  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 8:26:00pm

re: #62 Sharmuta

Yes it does. It's unfortunate it's been so demonized and stigmatized that legitimate research is difficult.

On the other hand, it seems that every other person I meet in the Bay Area has an "MD's recommendation" for legal medical cannabis, for all imaginable manner of health or psychological complaints. I suppose it's better than most other forms of self-medication, though.

79 SasquatchOnSteroids  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 8:26:14pm

The Grim Reaper is ascared of Keef.

80 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 8:26:25pm

re: #69 Kosh's Shadow

Boy, the duck puns went down quickly.

Wood that they were better.

81 pink freud  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 8:26:36pm

re: #67 Killgore Trout

"The right wing blogosphere has gone AWOL and somebody had to step in to fill the void."

I think LGF has succeeded spectacularly.

82 Sharmuta  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 8:26:37pm

re: #46 albusteve

if you suffer enough you will take drugs...there is a threshold

This is a little condescending considering you don't know what sorts of pain I've been through.

83 albusteve  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 8:26:55pm

re: #68 HelloDare

Keith Richards is like a shrunken head, all over.

besides posting at LGF what have you accomplished?...I'll wait for the book

84 tradewind  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 8:27:08pm

re: #41 MrPaulRevere
There are herbs with proven medicinal value, like oil of oregano for infection prevention, and honey is now even being used in hospitals for some wounds to help them heal... but the problem is these naturalist healer types tend to throw out the science baby with the bath water and reject real medicine in favor of only ' natural ' cures. Hell, aspirin is ' herbal '.. it's made from tree bark extract... but you couldn't get those people to pop an aspirin pill. It's just silly.

85 American Sabra  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 8:27:11pm

re: #72 Last Mohican

Arterial dissection, to be specific. Which can lead to pseudoaneurysm formation, but, also stroke, which is usually the bigger problem, and can be incredibly devastating.

Actually, I'm afraid of chiropractors. I think I'd only go to one with a firm recommendation. I've heard too many stories.

86 MrPaulRevere  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 8:27:15pm

re: #79 SasquatchOnSteroids

I bet you could cut a diamond with a slice of Richards liver.

87 JacksonTn  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 8:27:22pm

re: #39 Gearhead

Isn't that how Keith Richards keeps his boyish good looks?

GH ... STOP PICKING ON KEITH! ...

Youtube Video
88 Last Mohican  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 8:27:58pm

re: #76 danrudy

re: #47 tradewind

You are very true and I have seen this more then a handful of times in my career in health care
...having someone violently twist your neck with sudden acceleration motions isnot exactly what the bosy was designed for...my advice is DONT GO.

Me too. Chiropractic manipulation of the neck is really, really bad news.

My impression is that chiropractors do lots of stuff other than jerking people's necks around. If you want to go to one, by all means do it, and see if they can help you. But do NOT let them "manipulate" your neck.

89 Sharmuta  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 8:28:04pm

re: #59 American Sabra

Indeed. Chiropractic medicine was once considered holistic. Now it's covered by most insurance companies.

I do "alternative" things for minor ailments. For instance, applying pressure to some key body points (doesn't that sound like fun!) really helps headaches. I'm a migraine sufferer. The best point for me is about an inch below the inside of your elbow, where your arm bends. Press hard with your thumb. The fleshy part of your palm is another, under the thumb. Rubbing the bottom of your big toe is another (although that one doesn't work for me very well). Think I'm crazy? (Don't answer that). Try it next time you have a headache.

Hey, maybe I should post on HuffPo!

For Charlie Horses, pinch the nerve between your nostrils.

90 The Shadow Do  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 8:28:15pm

Keith Richards is an amazing specimen. He is like a weed that grows in asphalt. You will not kill him.

Rock on Keith!

91 albusteve  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 8:28:16pm

re: #82 Sharmuta

This is a little condescending considering you don't know what sorts of pain I've been through.

sorry you feel that way...was not meant to be

92 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 8:28:42pm

re: #67 Killgore Trout

True but remember: HuffPo can be useful sometimes, but they're pretty out there themselves and they're not our friends. Sometimes they run a good story, but those will always be outnumbered by the moonbattery.

93 Killgore Trout  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 8:29:12pm

re: #81 pink freud

Possibly but the right doesn't have much interest in what Charles is posting about these days and the left still holds grudges over their past misconceptions. LGF still suits me quite fine.

94 solomonpanting  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 8:29:14pm
This spring, during the swine flu outbreak, I was searching the Web for news when a blog post on the Huffington Post caught my eye. Titled "Swine Flu: Protect Yourself and Your Loved Ones," its author, Kim Evans, offered a unique prescription for swine flu, one she believed could "save your life": deep-cleansing enemas.

I suggest a do-it-yourself car wash.
Use extra high pressure.

95 albusteve  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 8:30:25pm

re: #90 The Shadow Do

Keith Richards is an amazing specimen. He is like a weed that grows in asphalt. You will not kill him.

Rock on Keith!

yes, rock on...it will end soon enough

96 swamprat  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 8:30:34pm

re: #67 Killgore Trout

So now the right is embracing its inner loon.
Worked for the dems.
Banging head on keyboard.

/*no one has ever gone broke by banking on the stupidity of the average American

*Misquoted from P.T. Barnum

"Where's the egress?"

97 Erik The Red  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 8:30:37pm

re: #85 American Sabra

Actually, I'm afraid of chiropractors. I think I'd only go to one with a firm recommendation. I've heard too many stories.

Find a good one and you will feel like a new person. I would die for mine in S. Africa. I need to find a new one here in Florida. My crack doctor did his training in the USA and is looking for a good chiro for me here.

98 Fenway_Nation  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 8:31:56pm

Oww...some douchebag from Media Matters is talking.

Intelligence...seeping...from...body...with ...every...sylllable ...MMspokesdouche...utters...

/help. meee...

99 formercorpsman  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 8:32:10pm

re: #47 tradewind

I will make one post, and then to bed. I won't bash the chiro, as some folks find comfort in it, but my story is this.

The idea behind chiropractic care is that most disease stems from the mechanical misalignment of the spine, thus disrupting innervation.

A number of years ago, we had a fellow who could not walk due to intractable hip pain. He was seeing a chiropractor for a couple of months. Hip pain.

They took the spine films, he was out of alignment, and the adjustments ensued.

He got to point where he could not walk. His leg measurement supine was a couple of centimeters shorter than the other side.

We did an xray of the hip that was hurting, and he had a big old invasive lesion in his acetabulum, (hip socket) The ball essentially went through the socket, and pushed into the pelvis.

Long story short, it was metastatic lung cancer, we ended up doing a major pelvic reconstruction, and he lived for about a year.

It was terribly sad to watch it though.

100 tradewind  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 8:32:13pm

re: #58 swamprat

That's just silly, sorry. Any medical treatment can result in complications, but I am talking about someone without a medical degree causing a sudden and catastrophic injury that was unrelated to the problem for which you sought help. No thanks.

101 HelloDare  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 8:32:36pm

re: #71 albusteve

you wish...send us a picture of you beautiful self so we can compare, just to be fair

57th row, 43rd from the left.

102 swamprat  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 8:32:39pm

re: #77 Kosh's Shadow


"Baldrick, has it come to this? Must I slice you to slivers and tell everyone that you walked over a sharp cattleguard while wearing a heavy hat?

103 MandyManners  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 8:32:39pm

re: #83 albusteve

You're feeling a might pissy tonight.

104 tradewind  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 8:33:03pm

re: #97 Erik The Red

I would die for mine in S. Africa.
/More true than you realize/

105 Fenway_Nation  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 8:33:07pm

Whoa...not the desired effect there...

106 Sharmuta  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 8:33:20pm

re: #88 Last Mohican

Me too. Chiropractic manipulation of the neck is really, really bad news.

My impression is that chiropractors do lots of stuff other than jerking people's necks around. If you want to go to one, by all means do it, and see if they can help you. But do NOT let them "manipulate" your neck.

My massage therapist was a bit biased, obviously, but he told me many back issues dealt with by chiropractors were muscular in nature. It's the muscles pulling your back out of alignment. The chiropractor can fix your spine, but if your muscles are still jacked up, they will pull it right back out of alignment. He told me a good chiropractor should also be using massage therapy, and if they weren't- they were just bilking their patients for money.

107 pink freud  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 8:33:34pm

re: #93 Killgore Trout

Possibly but the right doesn't have much interest in what Charles is posting about these days and the left still holds grudges over their past misconceptions. LGF still suits me quite fine.

It's the loonies that have no interest, which is just fine with me. I enjoy the educated and thoughtful conservative discussion here and have no desire to visit any of the other "right-wing" places you mentioned. This group is the best of the blogosphere, right here in one place.

108 Gearhead  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 8:33:44pm

re: #87 JacksonTn

GH ... STOP PICKING ON KEITH! ...


OK, I give.

(grabs Keith by the ears) I knew this man. His name was Yorick, I think.

*cough* Gollum, Gollum *cough*

Ok, really, I'll stop now.

109 Erik The Red  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 8:33:50pm

re: #104 tradewind

I would die for mine in S. Africa.
/More true than you realize/

Ha, fucking, Ha. :)

110 danrudy  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 8:33:56pm

re: #88 Last Mohican

I think it is total rubbish. I have lectured and have had chiropractors in the audience asking me nonsense question (off the topic of lecture) about my opinions on certain maneuvers and their effect on heart disease or ability to control blood sugar. They seemed to be desperately seeking to broaden the things the could market to the unsuspecting (of course, I imagine a good many of them do not engage in this way out of their field behavior)
I consider it glorified massage school. It may occasionally feel good and help but it certainly isnt curing anything and is very poorly reproducible.

111 mikalm  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 8:34:08pm

re: #98 Fenway_Nation

Did someone say "douchebag"?

112 SasquatchOnSteroids  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 8:34:43pm

re: #97 Erik The Red

Find a good one and you will feel like a new person. I would die for mine in S. Africa. I need to find a new one here in Florida. My crack doctor did his training in the USA and is looking for a good chiro for me here.

I eventually found a good one.
The first one I made an appointment with because he was close had a sign in his window as I was hunch-walking up there that said "Cash Only".
I wish I was making that up.
I hunched back to the car and "missed" that appt.

113 HelloDare  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 8:34:44pm

re: #83 albusteve

besides posting at LGF what have you accomplished?...I'll wait for the book

What book? You related to Keith or something?

114 albusteve  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 8:34:51pm

re: #101 HelloDare

57th row, 43rd from the left.

aha!...your wearing brown socks with blue pants!...I knew it!

115 albusteve  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 8:35:19pm

re: #103 MandyManners

You're feeling a might pissy tonight.

nobody disses Keef and gets away with it

116 Dr. Shalit  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 8:35:32pm

Yo Everyone -

WABC Radio has become POLITICALLY CORRECT - with Curtis Sliwa on the air.
If Curtis knew - he would be "Mucho Pissed." Made a comment about Palestinians being unable to drink a White House Beer with Israelis and was blocked from posting - YES it WAS more than that - but NOT MUCH and was blocked from posting with an excuse about my e-mail address, which was typed in PERFECTLY CORRECTLY. Feh! on you ABC!

-S-

117 Macker  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 8:35:39pm

From nirther thread: Who's preggers?

118 swamprat  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 8:35:46pm

re: #100 tradewind

That's just silly, sorry. Any medical treatment can result in complications, but I am talking about someone without a medical degree causing a sudden and catastrophic injury that was unrelated to the problem for which you sought help. No thanks.


Friends daughter got an adjustment. Her grass allergies vanished and she could roll in the grass like a normal child for the first time in her life. Make your choices. Life is choices.

119 Erik The Red  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 8:36:02pm

re: #106 Sharmuta

My massage therapist was a bit biased, obviously, but he told me many back issues dealt with by chiropractors were muscular in nature. It's the muscles pulling your back out of alignment. The chiropractor can fix your spine, but if your muscles are still jacked up, they will pull it right back out of alignment. He told me a good chiropractor should also be using massage therapy, and if they weren't- they were just bilking their patients for money.

Mine would spend about 20 minutes with massage and 10 in the manipulation. I would walk out of his rooms on cloud nine.

120 albusteve  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 8:36:17pm

re: #113 HelloDare

What book? You related to Keith or something?

when is your autobiography coming out?

121 MandyManners  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 8:36:42pm

re: #115 albusteve

nobody disses Keef and gets away with it

It was not a diss about his talent.

122 tradewind  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 8:36:54pm

re: #99 formercorpsman

It's sad. I am not saying that chiropractors should be illegal or that they don't ever help anyone, (but the placebo effect is huge with any treatment), just that they aren't trained to diagnose and treat medical conditions as are physicians.
At the least, get an underlying problem ruled out before using them.

123 SasquatchOnSteroids  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 8:37:12pm

re: #117 Macker

From nirther thread: Who's preggers?

Hey, What is ole OctoUterus up to these days anyway ?

124 American Sabra  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 8:37:25pm

re: #89 Sharmuta

For Charlie Horses, pinch the nerve between your nostrils.

Really? I'll remember that. Oh I have another. 100% Hiccup cure. Take a spoon (your thumb will do if you don't have one) and press it up against the roof of your mouth for maybe 5 seconds. Not the hard part of your mouth, back a little where it's fleshy.

125 Macker  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 8:37:44pm

re: #119 Erik The Red

Mine would spend about 20 minutes with massage and 10 in the manipulation. I would walk out of his rooms on cloud nine.

Wish I could say the same. My pelvis was thrown out of alignment last Tuesday night and since then, after a week of adjustments (including massage), it still hurts like frak.

126 Fenway_Nation  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 8:37:58pm

re: #123 SasquatchOnSteroids

God help us all, I think she's getting her own reality show.

127 albusteve  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 8:38:11pm

re: #121 MandyManners

It was not a diss about his talent.

they said he looked dead, I'm offended...he only looks...used

128 Macker  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 8:38:23pm

re: #123 SasquatchOnSteroids

Hey, What is ole OctoUterus up to these days anyway ?

Please don't say it's Octomom again.

129 HelloDare  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 8:38:53pm

re: #120 albusteve

when is your autobiography coming out?

It's out. I published it anonymously. I'm shy.

130 formercorpsman  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 8:38:59pm

re: #88 Last Mohican

I can tell you this, I have had a ronguer with an excellent bite on a lumbar spinous process, (arthrodesis surgery) and have tried pulling even after dissecting 90% of the surrounding soft tissues. As well, I am not a small individual.

It would not budge.

Now, imagine trying to manipulate though all the layers of soft tissue about the flank.

131 Cato the Elder  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 8:39:09pm

Chiropractic: bogus and dangerous

Homeopathy: bogus and useless

Acupuncture: definitely useful for some pain management purposes (I know a pain specialist who uses it as adjunctive therapy all the time) and possibly for quelling addiction cravings, but don't let anyone tell you it can cure your skin problem, depression, or your dog's constipation. I wasted a good deal of money on it at one time for a condition the practitioner had no business trying to treat. When I began to question the efficacy, she dropped me like a smelly date.

Massage therapy: relaxing and refreshing, completely harmless, and curative in the sense that all good treatment is. It may take you a while to find the right masseur/masseuse. Good for animals, too. Nothing magical about it and you shouldn't pay more than 60/hour max.

Meditation: go for it.

Anything with energy fields, orgone, pyramids, or crystals: criminally bogus, but if you're obtuse enough to buy into that stuff, you deserve to be robbed.

132 danrudy  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 8:39:25pm

re: #125 Macker


why do you say it was thrown "out of alignment"? sounds like chiro lingo.
What actually happened to cause the pain?

133 Sharmuta  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 8:40:23pm

re: #124 American Sabra

Really? I'll remember that. Oh I have another. 100% Hiccup cure. Take a spoon (your thumb will do if you don't have one) and press it up against the roof of your mouth for maybe 5 seconds. Not the hard part of your mouth, back a little where it's fleshy.

Absolutely works. Down at the base. Pinch hard.

People are always surprised when I tell them this trick (when someone gets a CH in front of me). They're surprised because it works.

134 danrudy  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 8:40:24pm

re: #131 Cato the Elder

excellent summarization!

135 Gearhead  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 8:40:25pm

re: #128 Macker

Please don't say it's Octomom again.


You know, there was a Bond film...

136 formercorpsman  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 8:40:46pm

re: #122 tradewind

Yes, if the chief complaint was hip pain, image the hip in question.

137 SasquatchOnSteroids  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 8:40:53pm

re: #126 Fenway_Nation

God help us all, I think she's getting her own reality show.

yeesh. I'm glad I'm not an attention whore.

138 solomonpanting  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 8:40:55pm
In the New Yorker, Conrad revealed that Huffington has undergone "mercury detoxification, fire-walking, est, microdermabrasion, infrared saunas" and a long list of fad diets. In "On Being Fearless," she gave a description of her own experience with mercury detox, saying she was "stunned to find how much mercury I had in my body."

So, mercury displaces wisdom?

139 American Sabra  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 8:41:14pm

re: #97 Erik The Red

Find a good one and you will feel like a new person. I would die for mine in S. Africa. I need to find a new one here in Florida. My crack doctor did his training in the USA and is looking for a good chiro for me here.

You have a doctor that gives you crack? :)

140 Erik The Red  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 8:41:20pm

re: #131 Cato the Elder

Dude, don't dis my crack doctor.

141 itellu3times  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 8:41:25pm

re: #131 Cato the Elder

Nutrition and supplements: some good, some very good, others not good.

Even basic nutrition is so overlooked by most medical programs.

Not to mention weight control ...

142 albusteve  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 8:41:35pm

re: #129 HelloDare

It's out. I published it anonymously. I'm shy.

I'm still writing mine...I'm stalled at fifty pages...

143 itellu3times  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 8:42:14pm

re: #138 solomonpanting

So, mercury displaces wisdom?

I'll bet a lot of posters on Huffpo are full of it. Mercury, I mean.

144 tradewind  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 8:42:20pm

re: #118 swamprat

Glad she is better, but she may have been anyway. Allergies and chiropractic just don't make sense.
Then again, neither does voodoo, but people swear it works. The mind is a powerful thing.

145 Sharmuta  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 8:42:53pm

re: #131 Cato the Elder

Massage therapy: relaxing and refreshing, completely harmless, and curative in the sense that all good treatment is. It may take you a while to find the right masseur/masseuse. Good for animals, too. Nothing magical about it and you shouldn't pay more than 60/hour max.

Absolutely.

146 SasquatchOnSteroids  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 8:43:23pm

re: #140 Erik The Red

Dude, don't dis my crack doctor.

Dude, I thought he killed me the first time he cracked me. I just layed there making sure my toes would still wiggle. Sounded like a tree falling in the forest.

147 danrudy  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 8:44:15pm

re: #136 formercorpsman


the problem is that the chiro's also charge for an xray and they have no idea how to read them.
Trust me...I have had to re-read a few of them as a radiologist.
I even had a patient presnet for a CT of a chest for a "lung lesion" from a cxr that a chiro did and read (he actually created a report).
THe patient had a completely unnecessary CT for a benign calcified granuloma that any first year med student would have diagnosed after one week on a radiology rotation.
But, with this new administration I half expect the next surgeon general to be double boarded in Reflexology and Chiropractic medicine.

148 tradewind  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 8:45:09pm

re: #138 solomonpanting
But the side effects... her Greek accent becomes thicker every year she stays in America. Funny how that works...

149 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 8:45:09pm

Thyroid disease is due to an inability to assert ourselves?

My grandmother had thyroid disease in her 40's. The woman was the definition of an alpha female.*

*farm girl version

150 Erik The Red  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 8:46:09pm

re: #146 SasquatchOnSteroids

Dude, I thought he killed me the first time he cracked me. I just layed there making sure my toes would still wiggle. Sounded like a tree falling in the forest.

That sound is very scary the first time you hear it. :)

151 formercorpsman  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 8:47:21pm

re: #147 danrudy

It very well may be.

I'll admit up front, I don't know if they are allowed to even obtain an H&P.

If someone wants to use one, fine, go for it. But I consider them in the realm of ancillary, not primary or specialty.

152 mikalm  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 8:47:38pm

re: #141 itellu3times

Regular exercise: great, but be careful not to overdo it. There are inexpensive training programs available at the Y and elsewhere to get you started.

153 albusteve  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 8:47:42pm

we jest, forth and back...
rock on brothers and sisters

154 The Shadow Do  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 8:47:43pm

re: #131 Cato the Elder

I once rented an apartment to a 'holistic doctor'. Yes, he had his MD but seemed completely content to live as he did which is to say he and a group of friends would gather on his/my crappy little patio nightly and sing "Kumbia". I am not kidding.

I do not think I would use this Dr.
Seemed to be a perfectly nice chap, but I don't think I would entertain putting my life in his hands. At least not before he learned to sing on key!

155 formercorpsman  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 8:48:08pm

Have a good night.

156 dwells38  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 8:48:37pm

Deepak Chopra. Hah. He's a charlatan. A snake oil salesman only a level or 2 above Jonathan Edwards who takes peoples money by pretending to talk to their dead loved ones.

Isn't it funny how there are no alternative medicine cures for things that can quickly and easily be verified? Such as an AM medication to prevent pregnancy? It's always for something nebulous and undefined as poor digestion or chronic fatigue.

Anyone who says we can have an affect on our aging by directing the way our bodies metabolize time is flat full of crap and an audacious and ambitious fraud.

157 Sharmuta  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 8:49:04pm

re: #78 mikalm

On the other hand, it seems that every other person I meet in the Bay Area has an "MD's recommendation" for legal medical cannabis, for all imaginable manner of health or psychological complaints. I suppose it's better than most other forms of self-medication, though.

Ever know someone coming off of prozac?

158 Cato the Elder  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 8:49:11pm

re: #88 Last Mohican

Me too. Chiropractic manipulation of the neck is really, really bad news.

My impression is that chiropractors do lots of stuff other than jerking people's necks around. If you want to go to one, by all means do it, and see if they can help you. But do NOT let them "manipulate" your neck.

I knew an ex-Marine who would do the neck-cracking thing for free when you were drunk at the bar.

I trusted him as much as I would a chiro.

To claim that faulty spinal alignment is the source of so many disorders is right up there with reflexology and auras. Sadly, people spent tons of money and some come away injured or misdiagnosed - see Formercorpsman's frightening story above.

Massage is much safer, more pleasant and is based on muscle tension rather than some fictitious spinal alignment BS.

When I hear the words "natural" or "holistic" I reach for my revolver.

159 danrudy  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 8:49:15pm

re: #151 formercorpsman

exactly...now if only they would agree

160 Cato the Elder  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 8:49:47pm

re: #152 mikalm

Regular exercise: great, but be careful not to overdo it. There are inexpensive training programs available at the Y and elsewhere to get you started.

Start with swimming. Worked for me.

161 Erik The Red  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 8:49:59pm

He is my crack doctors web site. He has written a number of books.
Just Being-Success

Bookmark it and look at it when you have time.

162 tradewind  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 8:50:30pm

re: #149 EmmmieG
Barbara Bush and Hilary Clinton both have thyroid disease, and I can't really see either one of them as a shrinking violet whose expression has been stifled...

163 Cato the Elder  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 8:51:16pm

re: #140 Erik The Red

Dude, don't dis my crack doctor.

Bogus, pernicious, dangerous pseudo-science. There. Sue me.

164 reine.de.tout  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 8:51:27pm

re: #124 American Sabra

Really? I'll remember that. Oh I have another. 100% Hiccup cure. Take a spoon (your thumb will do if you don't have one) and press it up against the roof of your mouth for maybe 5 seconds. Not the hard part of your mouth, back a little where it's fleshy.

No, no no!
hiccup cure is a spoonful of sugar.
100% works every time.

165 solomonpanting  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 8:51:29pm

If Oprah Winfrey married Deepak Chopra she'd be Oprah Chopra.

166 The Shadow Do  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 8:51:56pm

I knew a young lady who swore by her chiropractor. I was quite impressed with the fact he made her back feel better, in fact she said she never felt better than after her chiro visits which she had weekly...until I learned he was screwing her that is.

/she was wife No.1 by the way

167 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 8:52:01pm

re: #164 reine.de.tout

No, no no!
hiccup cure is a spoonful of sugar.
100% works every time.

I don't suppose it could be a square of fine chocolate?

No? Well, worth a try.

168 Bloodnok  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 8:52:06pm

re: #164 reine.de.tout

No, no no!
hiccup cure is a spoonful of sugar.
100% works every time.

No, that just makes the medicine go down. :p

169 danrudy  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 8:52:14pm

re: #161 Erik The Red

wow...5 years after being the head phys ed teacher he had opened his chiropracic office.

170 Erik The Red  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 8:52:52pm

re: #158 Cato the Elder

I knew an ex-Marine who would do the neck-cracking thing for free when you were drunk at the bar.

I trusted him as much as I would a chiro.

To claim that faulty spinal alignment is the source of so many disorders is right up there with reflexology and auras. Sadly, people spent tons of money and some come away injured or misdiagnosed - see Formercorpsman's frightening story above.

Massage is much safer, more pleasant and is based on muscle tension rather than some fictitious spinal alignment BS.

When I hear the words "natural" or "holistic" I reach for my revolver.

I tend to agree. But chiro is different. I am not into the whole holistic BS.

171 MandyManners  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 8:52:54pm

re: #166 The Shadow Do

I knew a young lady who swore by her chiropractor. I was quite impressed with the fact he made her back feel better, in fact she said she never felt better than after her chiro visits which she had weekly...until I learned he was screwing her that is.

/she was wife No.1 by the way

Talk about your alignments!

172 tradewind  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 8:53:16pm

re: #166 The Shadow Do
You gotta love it when those massage stories turn out to have happy endings...

173 horse  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 8:53:31pm

Perhaps following Huffpo's medical forum is how Obamacare will lower health care costs. How expensive can some fragrance, magnets, hot rocks and sharp needles be? It's everything you need to feel "well".
/

174 reine.de.tout  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 8:54:07pm

re: #167 EmmmieG

I don't suppose it could be a square of fine chocolate?

No? Well, worth a try.

Chocolate cures anything and everything!

175 Sharmuta  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 8:54:08pm

re: #164 reine.de.tout

No, no no!
hiccup cure is a spoonful of sugar.
100% works every time.

I do the upside down water thing I learned on Sesame Street, but I'm going to try the spoon thing too.

176 Sharmuta  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 8:54:28pm

We get hiccups because of evolution, BTW.

177 MandyManners  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 8:54:30pm

re: #173 horse

Perhaps following Huffpo's medical forum is how Obamacare will lower health care costs. How expensive can some fragrance, magnets, hot rocks and sharp needles be? It's everything you need to feel "well".
/

Did you read the thread about FCBBHO's latest czar, Van Jones?

178 mikalm  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 8:54:39pm

re: #157 Sharmuta

Ever know someone coming off of prozac?

Hell, I take the stuff daily, so I know what withdrawl is like. It's worked like a charm over the years, but I'm afraid to go off it.

179 The Shadow Do  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 8:54:51pm

re: #171 MandyManners

Talk about your alignments!

Yes, he even set me straight!

180 Erik The Red  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 8:55:06pm

re: #164 reine.de.tout

No, no no!
hiccup cure is a spoonful of sugar.
100% works every time.

I am into scarring the shit out of people with hiccups. :) It may not always work, but can be funny as hell.

181 Bloodnok  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 8:55:07pm

re: #176 Sharmuta

We get hiccups because of evolution, BTW.

I get them because of beer.

182 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 8:55:07pm

re: #173 horse

Perhaps following Huffpo's medical forum is how Obamacare will lower health care costs. How expensive can some fragrance, magnets, hot rocks and sharp needles be? It's everything you need to feel "well".
/

Then lets try medicine like that on Obama, just to see if it works.

183 Cato the Elder  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 8:55:19pm

re: #161 Erik The Red

He is my crack doctors web site. He has written a number of books.
Just Being-Success

Bookmark it and look at it when you have time.

Pardon me while I laugh to the point of vomiting.

Just Being-Success is an integrative and holistic approach to our Health and Well Being. Only by implementing a balanced and holistic approach to life, can you enjoy sustainable results in all areas of your life. Dr Warren van Zyl integrates our left brain conscious mind with our right brain subconscious mind through the Just Being-Success Process.

Oh, my ribs! I need an adjustment! In my bill, too, please!

“Awareness is consciousness without thought! We are not aware that we are not aware because our minds are occupied with too much ‘thinking’. We need to utilize our other natural states of consciousness to make the changes we desire as Einstein indicated.”

Poor old Einstein.

Your "crack doctor". Does he take crack, or give it to you? Or do you smoke it together?

Ow! My belly hurts! Pass the pipe.

184 MandyManners  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 8:56:31pm

re: #179 The Shadow Do

Yes, he even set me straight!

Wasn't there a professional association you could've reported him to?

185 Jack Burton  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 8:56:40pm

re: #176 Sharmuta

We get hiccups because of evolution, BTW.

Why do you hate the hiccups that god intended for us?!

/

186 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 8:56:55pm

re: #176 Sharmuta

We get hiccups because of evolution, BTW.

No, hiccups were intelligently designed to keep us humble!

/Disco Institute

187 Erik The Red  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 8:57:27pm

re: #169 danrudy

wow...5 years after being the head phys ed teacher he had opened his chiropracic office.

Finish the rest of his bio. Don't cherry pick what you want do.
After qualifying as a Doctor of Chiropractic in the USA he went on to open up his own practice in 1994 and worked largely with South African sports teams including the Springboks and Proteas and provincial rugby and cricket teams.

He obtained his International Chiropractic Sports Science Diploma in 1999. Dr van Zyl currently provides Chiropractic treatment and is a Well Being Consultant for the Sharks rugby team.

Dr Warren van Zyl has been teaching mind-body approaches to release stress and tension for the past fourteen years and offers corporate business seminars and mind-body performance and goal setting in sport. Dr van Zyl went on to complete his Diploma in Hypnotherapy through the Hypnotherapy Association of South Africa in 2001.

In 2003 he received Fundamental, Intermediate and Advanced training in Ericksonian Hypnosis and in 2004 he attended the Ninth International Congress on Ericksonian Approaches to Hypnosis and Psychotherapy held in Phoenix, Arizona, USA. During 2005 Dr van Zyl received further training in Ego State Therapy through the Milton Erickson Institute of South Africa. In March 2006 he published his inspiring book JUST Being... who you really are! followed in 2007 by Celebrity Chiropractic.

188 Sharmuta  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 8:57:29pm

re: #178 mikalm

Hell, I take the stuff daily, so I know what withdrawl is like. It's worked like a charm over the years, but I'm afraid to go off it.

I think there are people who have legitimate need for psychotropic medicines, but I think they're over prescribed. If it's helped you- that's great. That you're afraid to go off it is... well- you knew what I meant and I know what you mean.

189 Sharmuta  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 8:57:48pm

re: #181 Bloodnok

I get them because of beer.

Beer give me burps.

190 Gearhead  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 8:58:04pm

re: #166 The Shadow Do

I knew a young lady who swore by her chiropractor. I was quite impressed with the fact he made her back feel better, in fact she said she never felt better than after her chiro visits which she had weekly...until I learned he was screwing her that is.

/she was wife No.1 by the way

I feel rather crass asking this, but did the health insurance cover his services?

191 LC LaWedgie  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 8:58:42pm
Youtube Video

Velvet Underground - Heroin

192 horse  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 8:58:50pm

re: #177 MandyManners

Did you read the thread about FCBBHO's latest czar, Van Jones?

No, where is it?

193 Cato the Elder  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 8:59:01pm

re: #169 danrudy

wow...5 years after being the head phys ed teacher he had opened his chiropracic office.

And if you like his site, there's a link at the bottom to get one designed by Yola, too.

194 Sharmuta  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 8:59:12pm

re: #185 ArchangelMichael

re: #186 Dark_Falcon

Funny, you two.

195 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 8:59:12pm

re: #177 MandyManners

Did you read the thread about FCBBHO's latest czar, Van Jones?

Where can I find it?

196 The Shadow Do  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 8:59:27pm

re: #178 mikalm

Hell, I take the stuff daily, so I know what withdrawl is like. It's worked like a charm over the years, but I'm afraid to go off it.

Don't. I have horror stories of my wife trying to quit the stuff. I think it is a blessing of science though. I understand, I think, the psychology of not wanting to use it. I believe it truly does normalize the brain though if it was me I would always wonder if it was not truly "me" while using it.

197 Bloodnok  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 8:59:36pm

re: #189 Sharmuta

Beer give me burps.

Actually I don't think I've had hiccups since I was a little kid. Perhaps it's because I walk around with a spoon in my mouth?

198 Cato the Elder  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 8:59:54pm

re: #190 Gearhead

I feel rather crass asking this, but did the health insurance cover his services?

Just the latex coverage. Spermicide was out-of-pocket.

199 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 9:00:54pm

re: #194 Sharmuta

re: #186 Dark_Falcon

Funny, you two.

Nothing like hurling a little mud at creationists to help unwind at night.

200 American Sabra  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 9:01:04pm

re: #164 reine.de.tout

No, no no!
hiccup cure is a spoonful of sugar.
100% works every time.

I heard of it, but never tried it. I'm learning so much! lol

201 mikalm  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 9:01:11pm

re: #188 Sharmuta

I think there are people who have legitimate need for psychotropic medicines, but I think they're over prescribed. If it's helped you- that's great. That you're afraid to go off it is... well- you knew what I meant and I know what you mean.

I accept the fact that I'm a clinical depressive, and need the stuff to function. It's probably a paternal genetic trait, as my dad also has it, and the stories about his dad make it sound as if he had it too.

202 solomonpanting  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 9:01:46pm

re: #189 Sharmuta

Beer give me burps.

Obama gives me heartburn.

203 Idle Drifter  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 9:02:07pm

re: #166 The Shadow Do

Ouch.

204 The Shadow Do  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 9:02:08pm

re: #184 MandyManners

Wasn't there a professional association you could've reported him to?

No need to bother. Turns out he was not the only one. She was great sex, in fact that is why I married her (I was young and,er, impressionable i.e. honest). She knocked me out...along with a few others it turned out.

205 swamprat  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 9:02:28pm

re: #198 Cato the Elder

Mah wife is taking indian lessons. It helps her headaches.

King of the hill reference. The John Redcorn Effect.

206 Macker  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 9:03:04pm

re: #132 danrudy

why do you say it was thrown "out of alignment"? sounds like chiro lingo.
What actually happened to cause the pain?

I was reaching for something in the frakking fridge, bending over for it, when I felt my left hip go POP.

207 Idle Drifter  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 9:03:04pm

re: #173 horse

Perhaps following Huffpo's medical forum is how Obamacare will lower health care costs. How expensive can some fragrance, magnets, hot rocks and sharp needles be? It's everything you need to feel "well".
/

I'll take the red pill.

208 American Sabra  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 9:03:07pm

re: #176 Sharmuta

We get hiccups because of evolution, BTW.

Your blinding me with science you know.

Youtube Video
209 mikalm  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 9:03:16pm

re: #196 The Shadow Do

Don't. I have horror stories of my wife trying to quit the stuff. I think it is a blessing of science though. I understand, I think, the psychology of not wanting to use it. I believe it truly does normalize the brain though if it was me I would always wonder if it was not truly "me" while using it.

Oh, I'm still "me." But the Prozac'ed "me" doesn't fall into a deep depression and want to commit suicide every time something goes wrong.

210 MandyManners  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 9:03:32pm

re: #192 horse

No, where is it?

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

211 MandyManners  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 9:04:06pm

re: #195 Dark_Falcon

Where can I find it?

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

212 Sharmuta  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 9:04:17pm

re: #197 Bloodnok

Actually I don't think I've had hiccups since I was a little kid. Perhaps it's because I walk around with a spoon in my mouth?

Is it silver? ;)

213 MandyManners  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 9:04:21pm

re: #204 The Shadow Do

(((shadow)))

214 The Shadow Do  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 9:04:57pm

re: #190 Gearhead

I feel rather crass asking this, but did the health insurance cover his services?

Honestly don't know. It was her thing. My insurance was separate. College age. Married 6 months.

215 Sharmuta  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 9:05:11pm

re: #208 American Sabra

It's Neil Shubin's fault- I swear!

216 NY Nana  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 9:05:39pm

re: #177 MandyManners

Did you read the thread about FCBBHO's latest czar, Van Jones?

Did you see him?

Youtube Video
217 Bloodnok  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 9:05:39pm

re: #212 Sharmuta

Is it silver? ;)

No, it usually contains a scoop of ice cream.

218 American Sabra  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 9:06:52pm

Nighty-nite lizards. Sleep well :)

219 dwells38  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 9:07:07pm

I would like to comment on the massage therapy and chiro discussion. I should say I've never needed a chiro and so never visited one. Like everyone I've heard stories from people I know that convinces me they can provide at least temporarly relief with their skeletal alignment techniques.

I'm 46 and I have regularly exercised (about 4 times a week now, 40 minute running sessions usually) through most my forties. In the few times I've stopped exercising I notice after about a week and a half or two as atrophy starts to have it's affect I get bad back aches when sitting for long periods. Of course with my regular running I have some other joint soreness. But it seems like the vigorous activity helps to align my body naturally or at least that's my working theory with the absence of any contrary evidence. Sometimes at the beginning of a run or on an elliptical my hip will pop about 5 minutes into the workout and it feels great. I also notice head colds are infrequent and not as severe.

So to me that makes sense that aligning the skeleton either thru exercise or manually like a chiro could be helpful to relieve discomfort but only temporarily as I have to keep exercising or I lose the benefit. And if you CAN'T exercise and the problem can't be fixed by surgery then chiros serve a good purpose.

220 Dr. Shalit  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 9:07:29pm

Yo Everyone -

Bottom Line - IT IS NOT About "Healthcare" - or Health Insurance for that matter. IT IS ABOUT CONTROL. Control of your Lifestyle - Too Fat - Too Bad, Too Old - Too Bad, and so on and so forth. He or She that can prove me wrong on this one, Please Comment. Thank you.

-S-

221 MandyManners  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 9:07:44pm

re: #216 NY Nana

Did you see him?

Youtube Video

How much do you wanna' bet he, too, is a watermelon?

222 Cato the Elder  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 9:08:15pm

re: #141 itellu3times

Nutrition and supplements: some good, some very good, others not good.

Even basic nutrition is so overlooked by most medical programs.

Not to mention weight control ...

True dat.

There's nothing magical about supplements, though. My father is big on vitamin D now. I take that, a multivitamin (Centrum Silver, the old fart's formula) and Omega 3 fish/flax/borage. All on doctor's recommendations. If someone hard-sells it on TV (not that I'd know, I don't watch TV anymore) or the wondernets, I steer clear.

223 Gearhead  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 9:08:24pm

re: #214 The Shadow Do

Honestly don't know. It was her thing. My insurance was separate. College age. Married 6 months.

I would just hate to think the money for that would have come out of your pocket.

Sorry you had to go thru that.

224 Erik The Red  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 9:08:33pm

For you Sharmuta. I am listening to this now.
nirvana - come as you are - unplugged 93

225 MrPaulRevere  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 9:10:29pm

Back in the day people just went away after they were disgraced: Dan Rather wants Obama to help save the news [Link: www.aspendailynews.com...]

226 Cato the Elder  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 9:10:58pm

re: #219 dwells38

I would like to comment on the massage therapy and chiro discussion. I should say I've never needed a chiro and so never visited one. Like everyone I've heard stories from people I know that convinces me they can provide at least temporarly relief with their skeletal alignment techniques.

I'm 46 and I have regularly exercised (about 4 times a week now, 40 minute running sessions usually) through most my forties. In the few times I've stopped exercising I notice after about a week and a half or two as atrophy starts to have it's affect I get bad back aches when sitting for long periods. Of course with my regular running I have some other joint soreness. But it seems like the vigorous activity helps to align my body naturally or at least that's my working theory with the absence of any contrary evidence. Sometimes at the beginning of a run or on an elliptical my hip will pop about 5 minutes into the workout and it feels great. I also notice head colds are infrequent and not as severe.

So to me that makes sense that aligning the skeleton either thru exercise or manually like a chiro could be helpful to relieve discomfort but only temporarily as I have to keep exercising or I lose the benefit. And if you CAN'T exercise and the problem can't be fixed by surgery then chiros serve a good purpose.

You've never been to one, but you've heard stories, and they make sense, so they serve a good purpose?

Couldn't you say the same exact thing about auras or crystals?

I would hope you'd do a little more research than just listening to anecdotes from enthusiastic dupes.

227 Gearhead  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 9:11:31pm

re: #220 Dr. Shalit

Yo Everyone -

Bottom Line - IT IS NOT About "Healthcare" - or Health Insurance for that matter. IT IS ABOUT CONTROL. Control of your Lifestyle - Too Fat - Too Bad, Too Old - Too Bad, and so on and so forth. He or She that can prove me wrong on this one, Please Comment. Thank you.

-S-

IMHO, it's also about a President hoping to have a big legislative victory (even a hollow, ultimately harmful one) to wave around during his re-election campaign.

228 Bloodnok  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 9:12:01pm

Good night all you good Lizards.

229 Sharmuta  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 9:12:46pm

re: #224 Erik The Red

Lake of Fire

Youtube Video
230 Dr. Shalit  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 9:12:51pm

re: #227 Gearhead

IMHO, it's also about a President hoping to have a big legislative victory (even a hollow, ultimately harmful one) to wave around during his re-election campaign.

Gearhead -

Garbage In - Garbage Out - Still Garbage. That is all.

-S-

231 NY Nana  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 9:13:26pm

re: #221 MandyManners

How much do you wanna' bet he, too, is a watermelon?

Now cut that out! ;) I ♥ watermelon! He looks like he was at Woodstock about 40 years ago (he is probably too young for that, but he looks like he lives in a commune, so help me.)

232 danrudy  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 9:13:53pm

re: #206 Macker

Sounds to me that you may have pulled/torn/ruptured a muscle/tendon.
MRI would have helped diagnose that right away. Manipulating a pulled/torn/muscle is kind of contrary to letting it rest and heal. Of course, if it were ruptured and depending on which muscle it were it might require the knife

233 MandyManners  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 9:14:53pm

re: #231 NY Nana

Now cut that out! ;) I ♥ watermelon! He looks like he was at Woodstock about 40 years ago (he is probably too young for that, but he looks like he lives in a commune, so help me.)

His belief that we can create enough "green" jobs to lift millions out of poverty is a wild as his belief in remote healing.

234 MandyManners  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 9:15:11pm

I'm headed to bed. Good night, Lizards!

235 Jack Burton  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 9:15:11pm

re: #229 Sharmuta

Lake of Fire

Isn't that where we are supposed to end up for believing in evilution?

///

236 Fenway_Nation  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 9:15:42pm

re: #233 MandyManners

That's the sandy foundation that the cap and trade house of cards is built on in the first place...

237 Dr. Shalit  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 9:15:56pm

re: #231 NY Nana

Now cut that out! ;) I ♥ watermelon! He looks like he was at Woodstock about 40 years ago (he is probably too young for that, but he looks like he lives in a commune, so help me.)

NY Nana -

I missed Woodstock because I had the Opportunity to earn Overtime, 1.5 and 2 X time that weekend to pay for school. Perhaps my bad.

-S-

238 Sharmuta  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 9:16:02pm

re: #235 ArchangelMichael

See- you got what I was trying to do there.

239 horse  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 9:16:29pm

re: #211 MandyManners

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

Thanks for the link, I had missed that thread. Wow, that guy is a great example of why government needs to stay out of most areas of society and let the actual experts in those areas manage it themselves. When government gets involved in non-government areas, amateurs and quacks end up running the show and wasting the cash.

Watching this administration is like watching your small high school coaching staff try to take an NFL team through an entire season without external assistance. You just know they're going to lose big and someone is probably going to get hurt.

240 Erik The Red  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 9:17:32pm

re: #232 danrudy

Sounds to me that you may have pulled/torn/ruptured a muscle/tendon.
MRI would have helped diagnose that right away. Manipulating a pulled/torn/muscle is kind of contrary to letting it rest and heal. Of course, if it were ruptured and depending on which muscle it were it might require the knife

Hey dan are you a doctor?

241 capitalist piglet  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 9:18:03pm

Oh man. No comment (necessary).

50 Most Beautiful 2009 - Top 10

Gah. Number five. I was with them on one, two, and four.

242 Erik The Red  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 9:18:09pm

re: #234 MandyManners

I'm headed to bed. Good night, Lizards!

Sleep tight 2M.

243 danrudy  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 9:18:35pm

re: #187 Erik The Red

yep...i had read all that and was utterly unimpressed.
"obtaining" his international certificate probably means he paid a fee to some BS credentialling organization. I doubt it required testing and studying (but maybe I am worng...just my gut).
But, then...after studying the "science" of chiropractic he was was suddenly an expert in "mind body" stuff. THen it was off to being certified in "hypnotherapy".
sounds to much granola and not enought rigorous science to me.
sorry.

244 danrudy  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 9:18:58pm

re: #240 Erik The Red
yes

245 Erik The Red  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 9:19:19pm

re: #243 danrudy

yep...i had read all that and was utterly unimpressed.
"obtaining" his international certificate probably means he paid a fee to some BS credentialling organization. I doubt it required testing and studying (but maybe I am worng...just my gut).
But, then...after studying the "science" of chiropractic he was was suddenly an expert in "mind body" stuff. THen it was off to being certified in "hypnotherapy".
sounds to much granola and not enought rigorous science to me.
sorry.

Once again are you a doctor?

246 Erik The Red  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 9:19:46pm

re: #244 danrudy

yes

Doctor of what?

247 Ojoe  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 9:20:39pm

I'll eat when I'm hungry
I'll drink when I'm dry
If a tree don't fall on me
I'll live 'till I die.

—From The American Mother Goose

Good Night All

248 danrudy  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 9:21:24pm

re: #246 Erik The Red

doctor of medicine. Radiology.
And I have diagnosed more then a few vertebral artery dissections from chipractic manipulation and seen more then enough easily missed lesions on xrays that shouldnever have been done in their office.
Sorry, I am very down on them as a group.

249 Desert Dog  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 9:21:33pm

re: #241 capitalist piglet

Oh man. No comment (necessary).

50 Most Beautiful 2009 - Top 10

Gah. Number five. I was with them on one, two, and four.

Amazing...did the 50 Most Beautiful list somehow get mixed up with the 50 Most Fugly?

250 Noam Sayin'  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 9:21:41pm

re: #164 reine.de.tout

No, no no!
hiccup cure is a spoonful of sugar.
100% works every time.

Does it have to be an actual spoonful of sugar? For instance, could I use a simple syrup, perhaps steeped in some mint?

And if I'm not keen on the pure sweetness, could I add the juice of one lime?

And if I wanted some fresh minty goodness, could I also muddle this syrup, with the lime juice, into some fresh mint?

And if I wanted to consumer this remedy cold, could I pour it over a short glass of ice?

251 NY Nana  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 9:23:14pm

re: #233 MandyManners

His belief that we can create enough "green" jobs to lift millions out of poverty is a wild as his belief in remote healing.

Good grief!

/Can I sell you a bridge?

I hope someone sees him in a verrry chic restaurant chomping down on a steak, etc., and gets photos.

If only real life were that simple, but it isn't. Does he actually believe his own crap? He would have made a perfect snake oil salesman.

252 Cato the Elder  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 9:23:26pm

From Wiki:

For most of its existence, chiropractic has battled with mainstream medicine, sustained by ideas such as subluxation[10] that are not based on solid science.[11] Vaccination remains controversial among chiropractors.[12] The American Medical Association called chiropractic an "unscientific cult"[13] and boycotted it until losing a 1987 antitrust case.[14] Chiropractic has had a strong political base and sustained demand for services; in recent decades, it has gained more legitimacy and greater acceptance among medical physicians and health plans in the U.S.,[14] and evidence-based medicine has been used to review research studies and generate practice guidelines.[15] Many studies of treatments used by chiropractors have been conducted, with conflicting results. Collectively, systematic reviews of this research have not demonstrated that spinal manipulation is effective, with the possible exception of treatment of back pain.[11]

But they get to call themselves "doctor" and if your problems aren't solved by yanking your vertebrae around, Dr van Zyl will happily hypnotize your ass into feeling better about paying his bill.

Oh, my aching stomach! I haven't laughed so hard since the cat got into the beehive.

253 Erik The Red  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 9:23:34pm

re: #248 danrudy

doctor of medicine. Radiology.
And I have diagnosed more then a few vertebral artery dissections from chipractic manipulation and seen more then enough easily missed lesions on xrays that shouldnever have been done in their office.
Sorry, I am very down on them as a group.

Sorry if I am more than skeptical. You are a radiologist. Not a GP, but a reader of photos.

254 Dr. Shalit  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 9:24:04pm

re: #250 Noam Sayin'

Does it have to be an actual spoonful of sugar? For instance, could I use a simple syrup, perhaps steeped in some mint?

And if I'm not keen on the pure sweetness, could I add the juice of one lime?

And if I wanted some fresh minty goodness, could I also muddle this syrup, with the lime juice, into some fresh mint?

And if I wanted to consumer this remedy cold, could I pour it over a short glass of ice?

Noam Sayin'

So Far - So Good - Where s the Jack Daniels? Pray Tell.

-S-

255 The Shadow Do  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 9:24:31pm

re: #209 mikalm

Oh, I'm still "me." But the Prozac'ed "me" doesn't fall into a deep depression and want to commit suicide every time something goes wrong.

A blessing for sure.

256 Killgore Trout  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 9:25:35pm

re: #241 capitalist piglet

That's actually kinda mean of them to put her on the list. They're obviously making some sort of joke out of it.

257 NY Nana  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 9:25:39pm

re: #237 Dr. Shalit

Don't even think about that. You made the right decision. I admire you.

258 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 9:25:40pm

re: #225 MrPaulRevere

Back in the day people just went away after they were disgraced: Dan Rather wants Obama to help save the news [Link: www.aspendailynews.com...]

Eat throbbing memos, Rather!

259 reine.de.tout  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 9:25:50pm

re: #250 Noam Sayin'

Does it have to be an actual spoonful of sugar? For instance, could I use a simple syrup, perhaps steeped in some mint?

And if I'm not keen on the pure sweetness, could I add the juice of one lime?

And if I wanted some fresh minty goodness, could I also muddle this syrup, with the lime juice, into some fresh mint?

And if I wanted to consumer this remedy cold, could I pour it over a short glass of ice?

some people just insist on making things difficult
*sigh*
An actual spoonful of sugar.
Then you can follow it with whatever you want.

260 danrudy  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 9:26:34pm

re: #252 Cato the Elder

Cato...
You have to watch the Penn and Teller show caled "Bullshit"
THey did an episode on alternative medicines (reflexology, chiro etc). It was so damn funny.
You shoudl be able to find it on web...worth it!

261 mikalm  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 9:26:38pm

re: #255 The Shadow Do

A blessing for sure.

Indeed. Anti-depressants do get over-prescribed, but for those of us with genuine serotonin issues, they work like nothing else.

262 swamprat  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 9:26:58pm

re: #226 Cato the Elder

While standing in front of a crane as a young man working constuction, I realised that every one of my co-workers had a messed up back. Each one had had surgery and each one regretted it. I privately vowed that I would avoid the problems they had at all costs if I ever had that problem.
Years later, it was my turn. I sought out a chiropractor, took the massage and alignments, returned to normal life. No regrets.
Someone on this thread said they would seek chiro, "if surgery didn't work"! I view that as insane. I would, with great tredipation resort to surgery, if nothing else worked, because of all the pain I have seen from spinal operations.
This is why I feel the way I do about chiro.

263 Erik The Red  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 9:27:27pm

re: #252 Cato the Elder

From Wiki:

But they get to call themselves "doctor" and if your problems aren't solved by yanking your vertebrae around, Dr van Zyl will happily hypnotize your ass into feeling better about paying his bill.

Oh, my aching stomach! I haven't laughed so hard since the cat got into the beehive.

Hey Cato, I don't give a flying fuck about his "holistic" shit. When may neck and back hurt so bad I wanted to cry like a baby and coul'td stand up straight he was able to sort me out in half an hour. NO DRUGS.

264 Noam Sayin'  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 9:27:40pm

re: #254 Dr. Shalit

*ding*

We were looking for rum, but that will do. We would have also accepted Kentucky bourbon.

Tell him what he wins, Donnn Pardo!

265 dwells38  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 9:27:48pm

re: #226 Cato the Elder

You've never been to one, but you've heard stories, and they make sense, so they serve a good purpose?

Do you disagree pain relief is good? Or are you doubting that seeming millions receiving relief are actually experiencing it?

Couldn't you say the same exact thing about auras or crystals?


My boss didn't just tell me the other day that her aura doctor helped her with her chronic back problem and warned her that after a few months she'll need another visit and sure enough it came to pass. And sure enough the the next visit brought relief. I was skeptical for a long time too but too many I know personally experience it. You're too quick to paint me as some bubble-headed bimbo. I didn't say cure, I said temporary relief.

I would hope you'd do a little more research than just listening to anecdotes from enthusiastic dupes.

I realize chiros aren't back doctors and can't accomplish what surgery does. That doesn't necessarily make them quacks though. My point was when a permanent cure is not an option (such as through surgery or therapy) and self maintenance is not an option (such as through exercise) and if it does truly provide relief for these folks then it seems a useful alterternative.

266 Cato the Elder  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 9:28:46pm

re: #253 Erik The Red

Sorry if I am more than skeptical. You are a radiologist. Not a GP, but a reader of photos.

You're skeptical of a radiologist, but not of someone who boasts about some vague "mind-body" expertise and has taken courses in something called Ego State Therapy?

Although covert ego states do not normally become open and observable except in true multiple personality disorder, they are hypnotically activated and made accessible for communication with by a therapist. Various psychotherapeutic techniques such as behavioral, cognitive, analytic, or humanistic techniques may then be employed in a kind of internal diplomacy. This approach has demonstrated that complex psychodynamic problems can often be resolved in a much shorter period than with analytic therapies.

This is some very entertaining BS.

267 danrudy  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 9:29:33pm

re: #253 Erik The Red

Sorry you dont know much about medicine and the role radiologist play and their training (which by the way, included praciticing general medicine or surgery). Think about this...I spend my day being a consultant to all fields of medicine. In order to be a consultant to a specialist in a field dont you think I might need to know a little bit about his field in order to be a useful consultant.
Otherwise, i would have no value.

268 Noam Sayin'  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 9:29:47pm

re: #264 Noam Sayin'

Tell him what he wins, Donnn Pardo!

Ooh! Nice one, Charles. I forgot about that feature.

I had about nine 'n's on that one.

269 Noam Sayin'  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 9:30:13pm

Alright, back to bed.

270 NY Nana  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 9:31:19pm

re: #253 Erik The Red

And the GP depends on the Radiologist for a valid diagnosis. Radiology is a specialty. My cousin zt"l was the Chief of Radiology, and I know how much he did for people here, and in other countries where he was sent to help educate new generations of Radiologist.

I am a retired RN, and know just how critical they are in making a diagnosis. And it is not only GP's that need them...specialists also do.

271 swamprat  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 9:31:34pm

re: #262 swamprat
trepidation
realized

272 Cato the Elder  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 9:31:58pm

re: #263 Erik The Red

Hey Cato, I don't give a flying fuck about his "holistic" shit. When may neck and back hurt so bad I wanted to cry like a baby and coul'td stand up straight he was able to sort me out in half an hour. NO DRUGS.

Nothing a good massage couldn't have accomplished.

273 Erik The Red  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 9:32:15pm

re: #267 danrudy

Sorry you dont know much about medicine and the role radiologist play and their training (which by the way, included praciticing general medicine or surgery). Think about this...I spend my day being a consultant to all fields of medicine. In order to be a consultant to a specialist in a field dont you think I might need to know a little bit about his field in order to be a useful consultant.
Otherwise, i would have no value.

So you are a qualified GP and a surgeon.

274 The Shadow Do  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 9:32:42pm

re: #223 Gearhead

I would just hate to think the money for that would have come out of your pocket.

Sorry you had to go thru that.

Broke my heart. Truly. I think about that woman often, I was really smitten. My next wife asked me to marry her and I was so cynical by then that I said, uh, OK. That one didn't turn out to good either by the way.

Wife No. 3? Now that is a different story. Damn I love this lady - 25 years and counting.

275 Erik The Red  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 9:33:24pm

re: #272 Cato the Elder

Nothing a good massage couldn't have accomplished.

20 minutes of his 30 minute session was massage. Heat, hands etc...

276 TheMatrix31  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 9:34:00pm

Dan Rather is a SUPREME motherfucker.

277 Pvt Bin Jammin  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 9:34:25pm

re: #241 capitalist piglet

Oh man. No comment (necessary).

50 Most Beautiful 2009 - Top 10

Gah. Number five. I was with them on one, two, and four.

OMG That's unreal.

278 Erik The Red  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 9:34:59pm

re: #272 Cato the Elder

Nothing a good massage couldn't have accomplished.

Also I go for a massage twice a month. I have to go to a chiro about every 4 months or so.

279 capitalist piglet  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 9:35:16pm

re: #256 Killgore Trout

That's actually kinda mean of them to put her on the list. They're obviously making some sort of joke out of it.

You know, I didn't take it that way originally (I only looked up to number five at first), but now that I look at the rest of the list, I think you might be right. Everyone else is pretty young.

Why would they do that to her? They had eight Democrats, one Republican, and one independent...so one would get the impression they like Democrats. Why hate on Maxine?

280 Erik The Red  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 9:36:14pm

re: #276 TheMatrix31

Dan Rather is a SUPREME motherfucker.

LOL. What a what to change the subject.

281 The Shadow Do  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 9:36:37pm

re: #261 mikalm

Indeed. Anti-depressants do get over-prescribed, but for those of us with genuine serotonin issues, they work like nothing else.

Amen

282 Racer X  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 9:37:11pm

re: #241 capitalist piglet

Oh man. No comment (necessary).

50 Most Beautiful 2009 - Top 10

Gah. Number five. I was with them on one, two, and four.

*puke*

283 Macker  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 9:37:47pm

re: #154 The Shadow Do

I once rented an apartment to a 'holistic doctor'. Yes, he had his MD but seemed completely content to live as he did which is to say he and a group of friends would gather on his/my crappy little patio nightly and sing "Kumbia". I am not kidding.

I do not think I would use this Dr.
Seemed to be a perfectly nice chap, but I don't think I would entertain putting my life in his hands. At least not before he learned to sing on key!

Did any of them yell out "FUCK!"

284 dwells38  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 9:38:37pm

re: #276 TheMatrix31

Dan Rather is a SUPREME motherfucker.

Well there's a pretty uncontroversial topic here!

I'll second that. Rather's a pontificating, self-important ass! AND a bad journalist.

Ah, that felt good.

285 TheMatrix31  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 9:38:39pm

re: #280 Erik The Red

LOL. What a what to change the subject.

LOL. That link posted above about him pleading with The One to save public media got me so pissed off I didn't know what else to do.

286 reine.de.tout  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 9:38:52pm

The answer is: Yoga.
It will stretch and align your spine.
It will restore flexibility and range of motion.
It will strengthen and tone.
It will help you to "just be", and be "in the moment". Well, honestly, that part hasn't worked particularly well for me.

I had some pain in my lower neck, from arthritis. It was like a permanent crick in my neck, it had been there for years, and my range of motion was limited. I started doing yoga, and within 6 weeks, the pain was gone. I'm still doing yoga, my range of motion has improved, and the pain is still gone.

287 Desert Dog  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 9:39:32pm

Fear not Lizards, it could be worse.

You could be this guy:

Police: South Carolina Man Charged With Having Sex With Horse

288 Macker  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 9:40:23pm

re: #287 Desert Dog

GOD! That is SICK.

289 Killgore Trout  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 9:41:01pm

re: #279 capitalist piglet


Why hate on Maxine?


Yeah, I don't get it either but they can't be serious. Maybe they did it with good intentions but it really doesn't look very good. They didn't even get a flattering pic of her.

290 MrPaulRevere  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 9:41:23pm

re: #285 TheMatrix31

DNC Dan is pissed he doesn't have a place at the stimulus trough, that's all.

291 Erik The Red  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 9:41:56pm

re: #286 reine.de.tout

The answer is: Yoga.
It will stretch and align your spine.
It will restore flexibility and range of motion.
It will strengthen and tone.
It will help you to "just be", and be "in the moment". Well, honestly, that part hasn't worked particularly well for me.

I had some pain in my lower neck, from arthritis. It was like a permanent crick in my neck, it had been there for years, and my range of motion was limited. I started doing yoga, and within 6 weeks, the pain was gone. I'm still doing yoga, my range of motion has improved, and the pain is still gone.

My wife swears by it. Me? I would die after 20 minutes of it. :)

292 TheMatrix31  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 9:42:03pm

re: #287 Desert Dog

Fear not Lizards, it could be worse.

You could be this guy:

Police: South Carolina Man Charged With Having Sex With Horse

Maybe for punishment, he can be hung...like a horse?

/

293 Desert Dog  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 9:42:24pm

re: #289 Killgore Trout

Yeah, I don't get it either but they can't be serious. Maybe they did it with good intentions but it really doesn't look very good. They didn't even get a flattering pic of her.

It's beauty on the inside, man. (Although, I don't see any there either myself)

294 Cato the Elder  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 9:42:35pm

re: #263 Erik The Red

Hey Cato, I don't give a flying fuck about his "holistic" shit. When may neck and back hurt so bad I wanted to cry like a baby and coul'td stand up straight he was able to sort me out in half an hour. NO DRUGS.

You don't give a f.f. about his bogus self-aggrandizing nonsensical tripe, but then you quote his BS bio in extenso above as some kind of proof of his qualifications. And you treat a real doctor here like he's on the same level as someone who has "received Fundamental, Intermediate and Advanced training in Ericksonian Hypnosis". Please pardon my failure to be impressed.

re: #275 Erik The Red

20 minutes of his 30 minute session was massage. Heat, hands etc...

As I said - massage. Nothing that requires a pseudo-"doctor" title or any of the rest of it.

Let me be clear: If it works for you, I'm glad. My masseuse could probably do the same for you without the poseur prose and posturing preening puffery. Or the pumped-up price. But whatever makes you feel comfortable.

Night, all. Don't let any ex-Marines (or phys. ed. teachers) crack your neck at the bar.

295 Racer X  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 9:43:17pm

re: #272 Cato the Elder

Dude, everyone is different.

I suffered with really painful TMJ for years. I could hardly open my mouth to eat some days. When I hurt my back at work I went to see a chiropractor. He fixed my back AND my TMJ went away! I still have a bad back (from the injury / genetics / old age) but I no longer have the bad TMJ.

Your schtick of "you're not like me so you must suck" is getting old. Embrace a little diversity for crissake.

296 danrudy  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 9:43:36pm

re: #273 Erik The Red

You need to read it again.
I don't need to sit here and educate you on what the role of a radiologist is in clinical medicine. You can look that up on the web for yourself. Heck, many of the chiro's who actually ask me to go over their films for them can tell you that. But if you think my profession is silly that's ok, my feelings wont be hurt.

If you want to go to the glorified massage therpaist, hypnotist, deepack chopra "doctor" then more power to you. IF he makes you feel better then do it again. I can only only relay the science. I can't argue against facts that can't be reverified.
BTW, I tutored some of the chiro students in college to help them get higher enough grades to get into chiro school. They offred me free chiro care for life. I passed on it.

297 The Shadow Do  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 9:45:35pm

re: #262 swamprat

While standing in front of a crane as a young man working constuction, I realised that every one of my co-workers had a messed up back. Each one had had surgery and each one regretted it. I privately vowed that I would avoid the problems they had at all costs if I ever had that problem.
Years later, it was my turn. I sought out a chiropractor, took the massage and alignments, returned to normal life. No regrets.
Someone on this thread said they would seek chiro, "if surgery didn't work"! I view that as insane. I would, with great tredipation resort to surgery, if nothing else worked, because of all the pain I have seen from spinal operations.
This is why I feel the way I do about chiro.

Doesn't mean a damn thing, but I had a friend who sought relief for years with chiropractors for his back and each visit provided temporary relief. Eventually he submitted to surgery and after 6-8 months recuperation the problem was gone - permanently.

My thinking is that spinal realignment, or whatever the heck a chiro purportedly does, is evidently a temporary fix requiring treatment after treatment. Pretty good deal if you are the provider.

298 mikalm  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 9:46:01pm

re: #286 reine.de.tout

Yoga? Too passive. Give me a sweaty, limb-pounding 35-minute workout on the elliptical trainer and the strength-building machines any day.

299 swamprat  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 9:47:25pm

re: #294 Cato the Elder

I view them as trained massagers, that can crack backs in a skilled way. No interest in any other areas. And if any were to suggest treating me for anything other than back problems, I would leave.

300 capitalist piglet  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 9:48:22pm

re: #249 Desert Dog

Amazing...did the 50 Most Beautiful list somehow get mixed up with the 50 Most Fugly?

It's weird. Most are attractive, but there are a couple of people on it - not just Maxine - that I certainly wouldn't expect to see on a "Most Beautiful" list. The lone Republican is nice looking, at least.

301 swamprat  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 9:49:03pm

re: #297 The Shadow Do


Well, it has been many years.

302 MrPaulRevere  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 9:49:37pm

After following the comments here about the various forms of medicine I have two observations: 1) I am profoundly grateful I have never been in any of the situations described above. 2) Whatever works for you, go with that.

303 Desert Dog  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 9:49:52pm

re: #295 Racer X

Dude, everyone is different.

I suffered with really painful TMJ for years. I could hardly open my mouth to eat some days. When I hurt my back at work I went to see a chiropractor. He fixed my back AND my TMJ went away! I still have a bad back (from the injury / genetics / old age) but I no longer have the bad TMJ.

Your schtick of "you're not like me so you must suck" is getting old. Embrace a little diversity for crissake.

My Dad and my older brother are both diabetic and go to a "holistic" Doctor. I am not sure what his training is, but I know he is an MD of sorts. He concentrates on diet, exercise, massage, and yoga. Both of their blood sugar levels are now at the most controlled they have ever been. They still test after meals, but they do not have to inject insulin as much as before. The transformation has been amazing. He seems like a straight shooter...no crystals, energy beams or vortex in sight.

304 Desert Dog  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 9:50:57pm

re: #300 capitalist piglet

It's weird. Most are attractive, but there are a couple of people on it - not just Maxine - that I certainly wouldn't expect to see on a "Most Beautiful" list. The lone Republican is nice looking, at least.

Maxine Waters is an accomplish woman and I should not make fun of her looks. But, I think you are right, this is some kind of odd joke or something.

305 The Shadow Do  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 9:51:17pm

re: #283 Macker

Did any of them yell out "FUCK!"

Oh My!

306 NY Nana  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 9:51:43pm

G'night, Lizards! Sweet dreams.

I am off to sleep, as the same problems with my health are still there.

I forgot to add that we live on the first floor, and there are sets of rather fancy stairs that I would have to get down in order to walk to the car...and that the elevator only goes to the first floor, as there is a rather large rock in the basement that has a very steep set of stairs. We contacted the State of NY re whether the ADA kicks in when new sidewalks and stairs in the front of the building was enough to make them put in stairs for the handicapped. Alas it is not, and some others are also unable to get outside, as they are wheel chair bound. We have lived here for 37 years this month, and never expected this to happen. We are under rent control, and finding an apartment in this area is impossible. Nearly all the apartment buildings are co-ops. When it did, not enough tenants wanted to buy, so we were safe.

Please think about this before you move anywhere...

/No one ever expects the Spanish Inquisition!

Again, g'nite, all!

307 Cato the Elder  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 9:51:45pm

re: #295 Racer X

Twit.

Read Formercorpsman's story above.

Chiropractic is puffed-up, hyperventilating massage therapy with a dangerous propensity to arrogate all kinds of curative abilities to itself that it simply doesn't have.

If it makes you feel good, bully for you, and Erik. That enough of a diversity embrace for you?

Just don't expect others to suck up to its pseudo-scientific claims or respect its preposterous theories. The fact that someone who learns how to tweak spines can parade around with the title "doctor" in front of his name is a national disgrace.

308 Erik The Red  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 9:51:55pm

re: #296 danrudy

You need to read it again.
I don't need to sit here and educate you on what the role of a radiologist is in clinical medicine. You can look that up on the web for yourself. Heck, many of the chiro's who actually ask me to go over their films for them can tell you that. But if you think my profession is silly that's ok, my feelings wont be hurt.

If you want to go to the glorified massage therpaist, hypnotist, deepack chopra "doctor" then more power to you. IF he makes you feel better then do it again. I can only only relay the science. I can't argue against facts that can't be reverified.
BTW, I tutored some of the chiro students in college to help them get higher enough grades to get into chiro school. They offred me free chiro care for life. I passed on it.

Sorry dan, I will not put you on a pedestal. You read photos and interpret them. The GP or specialist than make the real decisions about what you think. If my daughters specialist had to rely on a radiologists reading she would be DEAD.

309 Racer X  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 9:52:07pm

6 Minutes 42 Seconds

310 danrudy  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 9:52:14pm

re: #299 swamprat

I have met plenty that venture beyond the back.

My goal is not to denigrate (although I probably have). Suffice it to say that depite multiple offers from multiple chiro's (even beyong the guys fro college that I mentioned above) I have always passed. TO dangerous in my opinion. I would rather have a straight massage .
Sometime the body naturally heals itself. In fact, I have seen HUGE disc protrusions (HNP's) that were accutely symptomatic that have reverted to near normal without surgical intervention. Sometimes we just get better whether someone is cutting us, manipulating us or ignoring us.

ANyways...off to bed..good night all.

311 LC LaWedgie  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 9:52:14pm

re: #216 NY Nana

"Van Jones has a unique ability to inspire people of all colors, classes and generations to uplift vulnerable people, while protecting our vulnerable planet. His sparkling intelligence, powerful vision and deep empathy are all on full display in The Green-Collar Economy." -- Nancy Pelosi

/the perfect messianic sidekick

312 Racer X  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 9:53:48pm

re: #307 Cato the Elder

Blow me.

Douche.

313 Pvt Bin Jammin  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 9:54:28pm

re: #306 NY Nana

G'night, Lizards! Sweet dreams.

I am off to sleep, as the same problems with my health are still there.

I forgot to add that we live on the first floor, and there are sets of rather fancy stairs that I would have to get down in order to walk to the car...and that the elevator only goes to the first floor, as there is a rather large rock in the basement that has a very steep set of stairs. We contacted the State of NY re whether the ADA kicks in when new sidewalks and stairs in the front of the building was enough to make them put in stairs for the handicapped. Alas it is not, and some others are also unable to get outside, as they are wheel chair bound. We have lived here for 37 years this month, and never expected this to happen. We are under rent control, and finding an apartment in this area is impossible. Nearly all the apartment buildings are co-ops. When it did, not enough tenants wanted to buy, so we were safe.

Please think about this before you move anywhere...

/No one ever expects the Spanish Inquisition!

Again, g'nite, all!

{{{Nana}}} Sweet dreams. You are in my prayers.

314 sngnsgt  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 9:54:46pm

re: #287 Desert Dog

Fear not Lizards, it could be worse.

You could be this guy:

Police: South Carolina Man Charged With Having Sex With Horse

So that's where the saying, "hold yer horses" came from. /

315 Desert Dog  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 9:54:53pm

I wish Phoenix would make the headlines for something good for a change.

Arizona girl's attack sheds light on rape in Liberia

316 capitalist piglet  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 9:54:56pm

re: #304 Desert Dog

Maxine Waters is an accomplish woman and I should not make fun of her looks. But, I think you are right, this is some kind of odd joke or something.

I didn't even think of it until Killgore mentioned it.

317 Cato the Elder  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 9:55:25pm

re: #308 Erik The Red

Sorry dan, I will not put you on a pedestal. You read photos and interpret them. The GP or specialist than make the real decisions about what you think. If my daughters specialist had to rely on a radiologists reading she would be DEAD.

But you expect us to be impressed by the drecky prose of a former phys. ed. teacher who knows how to pound vertebrae. Very interesting.

Best wishes to you, nevertheless.

318 tradewind  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 9:57:37pm

re: #287 Desert Dog
Nothing could make me click that link...

319 The Shadow Do  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 9:57:45pm

re: #303 Desert Dog

My Dad and my older brother are both diabetic and go to a "holistic" Doctor. I am not sure what his training is, but I know he is an MD of sorts. He concentrates on diet, exercise, massage, and yoga. Both of their blood sugar levels are now at the most controlled they have ever been. They still test after meals, but they do not have to inject insulin as much as before. The transformation has been amazing. He seems like a straight shooter...no crystals, energy beams or vortex in sight.


Does said Dr. have a guitar? Just wonderin'

320 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 9:57:56pm

re: #307 Cato the Elder

re: #312 Racer X

[Dark_Falcon clunks Racer X and Cato's heads together]

Cool it you two.

321 Desert Dog  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 9:59:03pm

It's Link-O-Rama night for Desert Dog

Stop buying the dried up ugly looking fruit because:

Organic 'has no health benefits'

322 Desert Dog  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 10:00:02pm

re: #319 The Shadow Do

Does said Dr. have a guitar? Just wonderin'

Not sure, he drives a Porsche 911 and has a "hot" wife though

323 Racer X  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 10:00:20pm

There are some good chiropractors and there are plenty who are quacks. Just like there are some people who will benefit from chiropractic adjustments and some who will not. Everyone's needs are different.

324 danrudy  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 10:00:42pm

re: #308 Erik The Red

Once again my friend...you appear to be very ignorant about the field of radiology and the role it has in diagnosing (and treating) ailments.
if you think your GP or the ER physician or surgeon is making decisions in many cases how to treat, what to treat and whether to operate without needing my input then someone better explain to me why I am up all night when on call reading CT's and MRI's and discussing the results and implictions with the physicians.
I am not a consultant for you. I am the consultant for your physician.
I am no better or worse then your GP or surgeon. We each have our role since not everyone can be an expert on everything.
I hope you arent putting anyone on a pedestal although you do seem very impressed with the extensive training in hypnotherapy and mind body healing that your chiropractor has. Listen, do whatevermakes you feel better. Its your choice.

Have a good night

325 Erik The Red  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 10:01:18pm

re: #317 Cato the Elder

But you expect us to be impressed by the drecky prose of a former phys. ed. teacher who knows how to pound vertebrae. Very interesting.

Best wishes to you, nevertheless.

Hey Cato, Fuck you. I am saying that he did wonders for my back. I am not into all his holistic stuff. WILL not have a disk fusion. If all it takes is a trip to a chiro's room once every 4 months so be it. I was told 10 years ago that I needed a disk fusion. I WILL NOT let anyone touch my spine with a knife.

BTW. Quote his whole bio. don't cherry pick the parts you like.

326 The Shadow Do  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 10:02:14pm

re: #322 Desert Dog

Not sure, he drives a Porsche 911 and has a "hot" wife though

Good 'nuff!

327 kay1212  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 10:04:36pm

Dr. Christiane Northrup is head of Usana's medical advisory board. It's a multi-level marketing firm. The founder renounced his US citizenship a decade ago, has his stock in an Isle of Mann corporation which is then owned by a Liechtenstein corporation according to the Wall St Jnl in 2007. Three or four of the top officers [and this is a publicly traded company] had false statements in their bios in SEC filings and one had to resign. He had made up an entire masters degree and received a PhD from a diploma mill and calls himself Dr. Denis Waitley to this day. Usana didn't discipline him, they extended his motivational speaking contract with the company.

These are the types of people and their associates that HuffPo wants you to take medical advice from. They're all selling books, sales tools, nutritional products, vitamins or other baloney.

328 Racer X  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 10:05:09pm

No way!

Early human relative predates the dinosaurs

Tree-dwelling vertebrate, just identified, lived 260 million years ago

I'm pretty sure they really meant 5,579 years ago.

329 Cato the Elder  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 10:06:10pm

re: #325 Erik The Red

[...] BTW. Quote his whole bio. don't cherry pick the parts you like.

Why, bless your heart, my foul-mouthed friend. What you do with your spine is of course entirely your business, and I wish you all the best.

As for the bio: You already quoted the whole thing.

And I'm still in stitches.

Thanks for the laughter - "the best medicine of all"!

330 Erik The Red  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 10:07:11pm

re: #324 danrudy

Once again my friend...you appear to be very ignorant about the field of radiology and the role it has in diagnosing (and treating) ailments.
if you think your GP or the ER physician or surgeon is making decisions in many cases how to treat, what to treat and whether to operate without needing my input then someone better explain to me why I am up all night when on call reading CT's and MRI's and discussing the results and implictions with the physicians.
I am not a consultant for you. I am the consultant for your physician.
I am no better or worse then your GP or surgeon. We each have our role since not everyone can be an expert on everything.
I hope you arent putting anyone on a pedestal although you do seem very impressed with the extensive training in hypnotherapy and mind body healing that your chiropractor has. Listen, do whatevermakes you feel better. Its your choice.

Have a good night

HE FIXES MY BACK. No more, no less. I don't buy into all his holistic stuff, and I don't care.

331 Racer X  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 10:07:48pm
Beluga whale 'saves' diver

A drowning diver has told how she was saved by a whale that pushed her back to the surface when she suffered crippling cramps.

Cool.

332 sngnsgt  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 10:09:00pm

Dan Rather wants Obama to help save the news. Why not, Rather helped lose it.

333 Desert Dog  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 10:09:48pm

re: #331 Racer X

Cool.

Very cool

334 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 10:09:52pm

re: #325 Erik The Red

Can we please drop this chiropractor issue? It's become an ugly food fight and its liable to earn someone a time-out.

335 Erik The Red  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 10:10:15pm

re: #329 Cato the Elder

Why, bless your heart, my foul-mouthed friend. What you do with your spine is of course entirely your business, and I wish you all the best.

As for the bio: You already quoted the whole thing.

And I'm still in stitches.

Thanks for the laughter - "the best medicine of all"!


Foul mouthed yes. Your friend? I don't think so. Are your ears so virgin that you have never heard the word fuck?

336 danrudy  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 10:10:34pm

re: #330 Erik The Red

I guess i wasnt ready to sleep yet.

He fixes your back? How many times does he need to fix your back until it is finally fixed.
If a surgeon told me he was taking out a guys appendinx fo rthe 5th time I might feel the need to refer him to the institutional review board.

Correction: he makes your back feel better, much like I feel after a massage.

337 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 10:10:49pm

re: #332 sngnsgt

Dan Rather wants Obama to help save the news. Why not, Rather helped lose it.

That got posted upthread, but it would be a good topic for a thread tomorrow.

338 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 10:12:40pm

Hello Night Lizards! It was another pleasant July day in Near Iowa.

I just finished reading (well, listening to) the book "Finding Iris Chang". Yes, it is a shameless spin-off plug. Strange because the author chronicle's Chang's bi-polar disorder and one of the main indications of her psychosis was the belief in conspiracy theories and the autism/vaccine myth. She delves into more about conspiracy theories in general which I found relevant to many of our discussions here. There is also good stuff about WWII history and asian-american history. Not your usual biography/memoir.

How are you-all and what are we talking about?

339 HelloDare  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 10:13:13pm

Wait till the Birthers hear about this:

Youtube Video

It was linked at Hot Air.

340 Cato the Elder  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 10:13:39pm

re: #260 danrudy

Cato...
You have to watch the Penn and Teller show caled "Bullshit"
THey did an episode on alternative medicines (reflexology, chiro etc). It was so damn funny.
You shoudl be able to find it on web...worth it!

Watching it now as a bedtime snack...that's some seriously funny bullshit!

341 Erik The Red  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 10:14:50pm

re: #336 danrudy

I guess i wasnt ready to sleep yet.

He fixes your back? How many times does he need to fix your back until it is finally fixed.
If a surgeon told me he was taking out a guys appendinx fo rthe 5th time I might feel the need to refer him to the institutional review board.

Correction: he makes your back feel better, much like I feel after a massage.

Give me the choice of seeing a chiro every 4 months vs having a knife millimeters from my spinal cord. Until I am in a chair and have no choice, I will always choose the crack man.

342 danrudy  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 10:15:25pm

re: #340 Cato the Elder

glad you found it. In general, I have really liked that series. They really take no prisoners whatever the topic.
It should be required viewing!

343 Cato the Elder  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 10:15:57pm

re: #334 Dark_Falcon

Can we please drop this chiropractor issue? It's become an ugly food fight and its liable to earn someone a time-out.

I'm done. Roasted to a turn. Stick a fork in me, Satan...

Sweet dreams, again, everyone. And I do mean everyone.

344 Racer X  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 10:16:42pm

Shave your Yeti

345 Erik The Red  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 10:16:48pm

re: #343 Cato the Elder

I'm done. Roasted to a turn. Stick a fork in me, Satan...

Sweet dreams, again, everyone. And I do mean everyone.

Later Cato. Sleep tight. :)

346 Desert Dog  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 10:17:39pm

re: #344 Racer X

Shave your Yeti

Hey Fellow Stumbler...I've seen that one :-)

347 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 10:18:38pm

Sometimes I think "holistic" doctors are useful because they get patients to do the obvious: eat breakfast, quit drinking soft-drinks, take a multi-vitamin and, at least, take a walk every day.

Some of the simplest and most obvious behavior changes improve health.

I do not think they can cure cancer or the common cold. I also think there it is difficult to determine who is qualified and dedicated and who is a charlatan.

In my life, chiropractors are basically physical therapists for whom I don't need a doctor's order and still take insurance. I do see a orthopedist, but I am never a candidate for surgery, only more PT and pain meds.

348 danrudy  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 10:19:01pm

re: #341 Erik The Red


That's why we have individual choice...well, at least for now unless Obama's health care bill passes. THen you can forget everything.
Just dont let him manipulate you to hard...and I am not only referring to the back.

349 danrudy  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 10:20:15pm

I am following cato this time for real...need to function tomorrow on my day off

Good night al!

350 Erik The Red  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 10:21:03pm

re: #348 danrudy

That's why we have individual choice...well, at least for unless Obama's health care bill passes. THen you can forget everything.
Just dont let him manipulate you to hard...and I am not only referring to the back.

We can agree on one thing. 44's health care solution SUCKS.

351 Erik The Red  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 10:21:22pm

re: #349 danrudy

I am following cato this time for real...need to function tomorrow on my day off

Good night al!

Later dan.

352 Desert Dog  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 10:22:17pm

I am off to sleep, but I will leave you with this little ditty:

Man freed thanks to penis lizard tattoo

353 Erik The Red  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 10:22:35pm

OK back to good music. I am open to suggestions. What should I put on now?

354 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 10:22:41pm

Speaking of Obamacare . . .

355 Erik The Red  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 10:23:00pm

re: #352 Desert Dog

I am off to sleep, but I will leave you with this little ditty:

Man freed thanks to penis lizard tattoo

Night 2D.

356 Erik The Red  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 10:25:23pm

How about some Chili Peppers?

357 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 10:25:39pm

re: #339 HelloDare

Bit of a reach on that one. Obama is not the Anti-Christ, just a Commie Bastard. And with that, I'll sign off. Sweet dreams, all.

358 mikalm  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 10:27:10pm

Looks like I'll be following the others into the Land of Nod. 'night, Lizards!

359 Erik The Red  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 10:27:42pm

re: #357 Dark_Falcon

Bit of a reach on that one. Obama is not the Anti-Christ, just a Commie Bastard. And with that, I'll sign off. Sweet dreams, all.

Good Night DF.

360 Erik The Red  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 10:28:36pm

re: #358 mikalm

Looks like I'll be following the others into the Land of Nod. 'night, Lizards!

Later mikalm.

361 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 10:28:47pm

Great, I get here and everyone decides to leave.

I am getting a complex.

/

362 TheMatrix31  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 10:28:52pm

From TextsFromLastNight---


(707): OMFG, I'm seriously about to get fairly unpolite with this guy.
(1-707): Wow. I bet he's shakin' in his boots.

...I bet Obama sent that text.

363 dwells38  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 10:28:53pm

re: #323 Racer X

There are some good chiropractors and there are plenty who are quacks. Just like there are some people who will benefit from chiropractic adjustments and some who will not. Everyone's needs are different.

I'm sensing a non sequitur in there. Are you suggesting the good chiros should hook up with those who will benefit and the quacks with those who don't? Sounds like a fiasco and the making of many lawsuits!

Naturally the quacks should be drummed out and not be taking advantage of people who can't benefit. You probably didn't mean that.

But chiros should disclose what they can and can't do. I said in another post that they could be useful if they can truly relieve pain. But they should be prosecuted and barred from practice if they imply like a bad stockbroker that they can deliver what they cannot. And are causing harm by encouraging people afraid of surgery to continue being treated just to get the money.

If the industry needs more regulation then so be it.

364 Erik The Red  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 10:29:59pm

re: #361 ggt

Great, I get here and everyone decides to leave.

I am getting a complex.

/

I am still here, if you can put up with the Chili Peppers.

365 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 10:31:02pm

re: #364 Erik The Red

I am still here, if you can put up with the Chili Peppers.

I don't mind, I don't have to listen. No offense, I'm in need of quiet.

What'sup?

366 swamprat  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 10:32:57pm

re: #357 Dark_Falcon

Bit of a reach on that one. Obama is not the Anti-Christ, just a Commie Bastard. And with that, I'll sign off. Sweet dreams, all.

How 'bout "the Anti-Reagan"?

367 JHW  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 10:35:24pm

I've worked as a logger most of my life. To say the work is strenuous is putting it mildly. Back pain is a recurring problem in this occupation. Chiros...went once, they remind me of a multi-marketing scheme or something, they want you to come back again and again to get "adjusted". Milk the cow to the last drop seems to be their motto, then go to dry milking if they can get away with it. After dozens and dozens of back pain episodes I firmly believe most of them (at least for me ) were muscular, not their spine manipulation nonsense. Rest, maybe massages, ice packs worked , chiro didn't.

Here on the coast a big thing for quite a while was Dimethyl Sulfoxide,DMSO
a by-product of forest product utilization. It's the damndest stuff I ever tried, its main use is as a solvent, and it penetrates the skin instantly and gives you garlic breath.I've seen guys drinking it instead of applying it on the pain site. That didn't help them socially but they swore it stopped back pain instantly. I'll pass, although I've tried it topically and it worked near instantly.Granges and such sell it marked for animal use only. The medical community seems to have mixed ideas on its effectiveness, as noted in my link.

368 Erik The Red  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 10:35:44pm

re: #365 ggt

I don't mind, I don't have to listen. No offense, I'm in need of quiet.

What'sup?


Not much. My girls arrive on Sunday and I am like a kid in a candy store happy. Six weeks is far to long to be apart. I may be in for an all nighter.

369 swamprat  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 10:37:32pm

"I'm not a Doctor, but I can say I am, and rub your back..."

How much extra if you claim to a pirate queen and breathe in my ear?

Say goodnight, Gracie.

370 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 10:38:19pm

re: #367 JHW

I've worked as a logger most of my life. To say the work is strenuous is putting it mildly. Back pain is a recurring problem in this occupation. Chiros...went once, they remind me of a multi-marketing scheme or something, they want you to come back again and again to get "adjusted". Milk the cow to the last drop seems to be their motto, then go to dry milking if they can get away with it. After dozens and dozens of back pain episodes I firmly believe most of them (at least for me ) were muscular, not their spine manipulation nonsense. Rest, maybe massages, ice packs worked , chiro didn't.

Here on the coast a big thing for quite a while was Dimethyl Sulfoxide,DMSO
a by-product of forest product utilization. It's the damndest stuff I ever tried, its main use is as a solvent, and it penetrates the skin instantly and gives you garlic breath.I've seen guys drinking it instead of applying it on the pain site. That didn't help them socially but they swore it stopped back pain instantly. I'll pass, although I've tried it topically and it worked near instantly.Granges and such sell it marked for animal use only. The medical community seems to have mixed ideas on its effectiveness, as noted in my link.

Every chiro I've ever been to was very minimal on bone cracking and realized my issues were soft-tissue issues. They had me doing all the exercises the PT had me doing and some some creative variations that helped. I guess it depend mostly on finding the right chiro.

In the Western burb's of Chicagoland we have a huge chiro college. That probably helps the overall quality of the chiro's in the area.

371 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 10:38:58pm

re: #368 Erik The Red

Not much. My girls arrive on Sunday and I am like a kid in a candy store happy. Six weeks is far to long to be apart. I may be in for an all nighter.

How are you going to spoil them?

372 zombie  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 10:42:03pm

From the original article Charles links to above:

But that diverse forum appears defined mostly by bloggers who are friends of Huffington or those who mirror her own advocacy of alternative medicine...

This is not exactly true. How do I know? Because I, me, was offered a spot as a Huffington Blogger. Yes, it's true. But it's not as important as it sounds: there are hundreds if not thousands of people who have Huffington blogs/columns spread across the various categories; most of these people don't even bother to blog regularly, because they don't have much to say to the world. And the key fact is: it doesn't pay. No money is involved -- your "payment" is the "privilege" and the "platform" of spewing whatever it is you want to spew with the Huffington stamp of approval.

Now, you may be wondering how "zombie" of all people would get this offer. But ah, that's the kicker: because it wasn't the "zombie" persona who was offered as a blogging spot, but rather the "real" me. The Huffington folks don't know thing one about zombietime and have no clue I run it. If they did, the offer would obviously be withdrawn.

Which brings me to my problem: Although I could right now post something on Huffington, I have never done so, even once. I have the password, the instructions, the whole deal. But the problem is, I'd have to do so as the "real me," and in that persona I really don't have anything to say that I think needs saying. Since the real me is not out of the tool closet as a non-moonbat, I can't really start ranting and raving about the issues that really concern me. So I'd be forced to either write lies, or write something namby-pamby and pointless. So I remain mute.

What a dilemma!

Not sure what I should do about it if anything at all. It's just so ironic to have direct access to the top blog in the world, and be unable to make use of it.

(And no, don't worry about me being "outed" by revealing this info: there are hundreds of people in my exact position, as Huffington guest blogger spots are handed out like candy to the "correct" people, of which I qualify I guess -- and most of those people don't ever or rarely take advantage of it. Plus, no Huffington admin is ever going to read this thread.)

373 Erik The Red  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 10:42:19pm

re: #371 ggt

How are you going to spoil them?

That is still in the planning stages. Just hugging them will be good for me.

374 JHW  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 10:42:48pm

re: #370 ggt

Yes, I would agree that there are differences in individual practitioners , maybe the size of my area is not the most attractive for the best professionals in any field. We have the same problem recruiting M.D.s, a preponderance of newly minted foreign graduates lately.

375 Erik The Red  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 10:43:16pm

Change of music. 3 Doors Down playing now.

376 GGMac  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 10:45:33pm

They've just announced - the infant excised from it's murdered mother has been found alive, and all right. A wee girl.

377 Killgore Trout  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 10:45:43pm

re: #372 zombie

Interesting. You could still post there as the real you and we'd never know it was the real you.

378 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 10:46:26pm

re: #372 zombie

From the original article Charles links to above:

This is not exactly true. How do I know? Because I, me, was offered a spot as a Huffington Blogger. Yes, it's true. But it's not as important as it sounds: there are hundreds if not thousands of people who have Huffington blogs/columns spread across the various categories; most of these people don't even bother to blog regularly, because they don't have much to say to the world. And the key fact is: it doesn't pay. No money is involved -- your "payment" is the "privilege" and the "platform" of spewing whatever it is you want to spew with the Huffington stamp of approval.

Now, you may be wondering how "zombie" of all people would get this offer. But ah, that's the kicker: because it wasn't the "zombie" persona who was offered as a blogging spot, but rather the "real" me. The Huffington folks don't know thing one about zombietime and have no clue I run it. If they did, the offer would obviously be withdrawn.

Which brings me to my problem: Although I could right now post something on Huffington, I have never done so, even once. I have the password, the instructions, the whole deal. But the problem is, I'd have to do so as the "real me," and in that persona I really don't have anything to say that I think needs saying. Since the real me is not out of the tool closet as a non-moonbat, I can't really start ranting and raving about the issues that really concern me. So I'd be forced to either write lies, or write something namby-pamby and pointless. So I remain mute.

What a dilemma!

Not sure what I should do about it if anything at all. It's just so ironic to have direct access to the top blog in the world, and be unable to make use of it.

(And no, don't worry about me being "outed" by revealing this info: there are hundreds of people in my exact position, as Huffington guest blogger spots are handed out like candy to the "correct" people, of which I qualify I guess -- and most of those people don't ever or rarely take advantage of it. Plus, no Huffington admin is ever going to read this thread.)

I always knew you were special!

379 pat  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 10:46:42pm

I wish I had been earlier here. As some may know, I enjoy these topics more than others. But I suspect all I would have said, has been said.

380 GGMac  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 10:47:29pm

re: #353 Erik The Red

OK back to good music. I am open to suggestions. What should I put on now?

I could go for some Tom Waits. Please turn it up so we all can hear!

381 The Shadow Do  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 10:49:03pm

Dan Rather wants Obama to help save the news

The free press, as established by the First Amendment to the Constitution, ought to operate as a public trust, not solely as a money-making endeavor, Rather argued, and it’s time the government make an effort to ensure the survival of the free press. If not the government, he suggested, then an organization like the Carnegie Foundation should take it on. Without action, he predicted, America will lose its independent media.

“If we do nothing more than stand back and hope that innovation alone will solve this crisis,” he said, “then our best-trained journalists will lose their jobs.”


- Dan Rather

/lose their jobs?

382 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 10:49:42pm

re: #374 JHW

Yes, I would agree that there are differences in individual practitioners , maybe the size of my area is not the most attractive for the best professionals in any field. We have the same problem recruiting M.D.s, a preponderance of newly minted foreign graduates lately.

We have a lot of that too. Actually, I think most, if not, all of my doctors are immigrants or minorities. But I think a large city attracts certain people who feel uncomfortable in rural america or small towns. There are also a lot of physicians still affiliated, in some way, with a major teaching hospital--I think there are about 5 I can think of--so they are also where the immigrants go for their education. And they don't move far after they graduate.

The only complaint I have (besides insurance) is the drive.

383 zombie  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 10:49:53pm

re: #377 Killgore Trout

Interesting. You could still post there as the real you and we'd never know it was the real you.

That's true! But I really can't think of anything to say! Of course, in this persona I'm in now, I could write forever and never run out of things to say. But the "real" me is like some kind of Buddhist monk or nun who has taken a vow of silence.

Even in interpersonal conversations in the real world I have mostly fallen mute. For several years now I've been dishonest and "gone with the flow" and acted like the pre-9/11 me whenever politics ever came up in a conversation, but less and less can I tolerate doing that. Now, I just exude the "I don't know or care about politics" vibe and that gets me out of most such conversations. Only with strangers or near strangers can I say something snarky and "counter-intuitive."

384 swamprat  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 10:50:28pm

re: #372 zombie

You could moby.

There was a book called "the devil's advocate" written before the one the movie was made about. It was about some beureucrats who deliberately set out to piss off the public, so as to forment revolt.

385 Erik The Red  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 10:51:45pm

re: #380 GGMac

I could go for some Tom Waits. Please turn it up so we all can hear!

I have over 250 gigs of music and I don't thing I have any Tom Waits. Give me a youtube link and I will see if I want to add to my library.

386 zombie  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 10:53:05pm

re: #378 ggt

I always knew you were special!

Yeah, special -- that's me.

/

It's actually degrading and insulting to be offered one of these spots, because you are expected to provide Arriana's content for her for FREE. As if one has nothing better to do than be Arriana's personal content-slave -- while she pockets the profits from the traffic you bring in. Therefore, a lot of people blog there just to promote something they're selling or some cause they're involved in.

387 Erik The Red  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 10:53:58pm

re: #383 zombie

Why? I know you have a talent. Can you not transfer that to real life?

388 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 10:54:20pm

re: #383 zombie

In a sens, you are your own sock puppet.

LOL

389 zombie  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 10:56:04pm

re: #384 swamprat

You could moby.

Interesting possibility. I've actually had a couple ideas along those lines, suggesting some insane moonbat thesis that I know they'd all jump at but which would discredit them (Huffingtonians) to most Americans.

However, my family and friends will probably read anything I write there (especially if it gets attention), so i'd have to live with the consequences. A difficult tightrope to walk.

390 zombie  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 10:57:36pm

re: #387 Erik The Red

Why? I know you have a talent. Can you not transfer that to real life?

Oh, I've got plenty of "talent" and success and so forth in my real life -- hence, why i was offered the blogging spot. I just can no longer write lies.

391 JHW  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 10:57:45pm

re: #382 ggt

Some of our best doctors have turned out to be immigrants that came here out of necessity and ended up staying because they liked the recreation opportunities and the scenery of the area and the small town ambiance, along with fairly up to date hospitals.

The first wave was a lot of refugees after WW2, a lot of physicians from the Baltic countries, Latvia, Lithuania, etc. Then there was a small wave after the Hungarian revolt in 1956, from Czechoslovakia, 1968. Now a lot of Indian and Pakistani immigrants. They seem to be well regarded in the community.

392 Erik The Red  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 10:58:05pm

re: #380 GGMac

I could go for some Tom Waits. Please turn it up so we all can hear!

OK found this;
Tom Waits - Chocolate Jesus

393 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 10:58:44pm

I really like this song, Charles posted a while back.

394 zombie  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 10:58:57pm

re: #388 ggt

In a sens, you are your own sock puppet.

LOL

I'm typing this very comment with my sockpuppet hand!

" 'S'alright, zombie?"

" 'S'alright!"

395 Holidays are Family Fun Time  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 10:59:48pm

I have to sleep, Lizards!

Good buy and weet dreams.

396 Erik The Red  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 11:00:33pm

re: #395 ggt

I have to sleep, Lizards!

Good buy and weet dreams.

Later ggt.

397 sngnsgt  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 11:10:57pm

I have Epilepsy. I was recently approved for disability. Now, I'm wondering what Barry-Care is going to do my situation..? Am I going to get stuck on Barry-care, or am I going to be able to keep the Neurologist I currently have on disability? Am I going to have to wait for a new Neuro on Barry-care? Before I was approved for disability, this past time I had re-filled my meds, I ordered them from Mexico. I received the same meds from Mexico that I have been taking, same brand, same packaging, same quantity. I have not had any seizures.

398 Fenway_Nation  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 11:15:25pm

OK- Who's dick has Allan Colmes been sucking? Because he still has a radio show, and I can't think of any other reason as to why it's still on the air.

399 Killgore Trout  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 11:15:27pm

re: #397 sngnsgt

Hang in there. I'm really not impressed with the healthcare reforms that have been floating around so far but they're still working on it. Try not to get too caught up in the scare tactics that people have been using. These are the same people who thought the DHS was going to round us all up into FEMA camps, silence dissent of the stimulus, TARP was socialism, closing Republican car dealerships, etc.
Say what you will, but the Dems are actually trying to do something good. Not sure how well it will work. We'll have to wait and see.

400 Fenway_Nation  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 11:20:49pm

re: #399 Killgore Trout

Why beat around the bush, KT? Since I think 0bamacare will suck as bad as cap and trade, card check or another stimulus, I must also be a Paulian nirther who's waiting for that knock on my door from FEMA before getting shipped off to a camp in the middle of the desert- do I have that about right?

The same people who brought us the 'stimulus' are now going to 'fix' the healthcare system. And they're going to devestate 'fix' the economy with cap and trade, too...[just not ours]

401 sngnsgt  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 11:22:56pm

re: #399 Killgore Trout

Hang in there. I'm really not impressed with the healthcare reforms that have been floating around so far but they're still working on it. Try not to get too caught up in the scare tactics that people have been using. These are the same people who thought the DHS was going to round us all up into FEMA camps, silence dissent of the stimulus, TARP was socialism, closing Republican car dealerships, etc.
Say what you will, but the Dems are actually trying to do something good. Not sure how well it will work. We'll have to wait and see.

I'm not holding my breath yet, like you said, we'll have to see what happens. I recently moved from dreary Erie, PA back to Las Vegas, NV and received a script from my Dr back in Erie. I haven't found a Dr here yet, but my Dr back in PA gave me 5 re-fills on my script. I'll be ordering them from Mexico if I don't find a Dr here any time soon. Only reason being, the cost of my meds here in the states. I'm not afraid of ordering them that way, they came with all the same info as I received in the states in sealed bottles at less than ⅓ of the cost.

402 TheMatrix31  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 11:23:37pm

re: #400 Fenway_Nation

Why beat around the bush, KT? Since I think 0bamacare will suck as bad as cap and trade, card check or another stimulus, I must also be a Paulian nirther who's waiting for that knock on my door from FEMA before getting shipped off to a camp in the middle of the desert- do I have that about right?

The same people who brought us the 'stimulus' are now going to 'fix' the healthcare system. And they're going to devestate 'fix' the economy with cap and trade, too...[just not ours]

Cheers.

403 Erik The Red  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 11:24:27pm

re: #400 Fenway_Nation

Hey FN, do like I am doing. Put on some good tunes and pour yourself a good drink. :)

404 Fenway_Nation  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 11:25:50pm

re: #403 Erik The Red

Funny you should mention that:

Faith No More- Epic

Ch. 9 on XM

405 freetoken  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 11:25:55pm

re: #401 sngnsgt

One of the advantages of living in San Diego county is if you can afford the roundtrip trolley fare ($5), you can walk across the border and buy medicine from a TJ pharmacy or doctor.

/how much one trusts what one receives...? Life is a roulette wheel...

406 sngnsgt  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 11:27:26pm

re: #401 sngnsgt

I should also say, my Dr back east is kinda' anal about brand-name only, he wrote dispense as written only (DAW) on the script. That can't be all bad.

407 Killgore Trout  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 11:34:02pm

re: #401 sngnsgt

We'll hopefully see a reduction in pharmaceutical costs out of this whole thing.

408 GGMac  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 11:43:57pm

re: #385 Erik The Red

I have over 250 gigs of music and I don't thing I have any Tom Waits. Give me a youtube link and I will see if I want to add to my library.


Sorry it took me so long - had to find a magnifying glass to read the URLs for the songs.

Since you're unfamiliar with Tom Waits...hmm...Understand that he has the absolute worst voice on the planet. He's not tone deaf - his pitch is probably perfect. His vocal chords, however, sound like glass imbedded in concrete, hit with a blowtorch, end for good measure, electrocuted. A terrible voice - but he is absolutely one of the best singers ever. He sings, and takes you into the depths of his sorrow and misery - or the the heights of his joy and irony. Here are two links for starters - on the mild side, so your ears won't be immediately assaulted.

Youtube Video
Youtube Video

If the links don't work, just type Tom Waits into you tube's search box, with (1st song) Hold On; (2nd song) Soldier's Things. For Soldier's Things, the video is titled 'Pearl Harbour Rememberance' and Waits begins at about 1:42

If these don't scare you off, just start browsing. I guess you'll either love him or hate him - hard to be neutral with that voice, but if you appreciate a weathered troubadour, you'll likely become a fan. I hope you do.

409 GGMac  Wed, Jul 29, 2009 11:56:05pm

re: #406 sngnsgt

I should also say, my Dr back east is kinda' anal about brand-name only, he wrote dispense as written only (DAW) on the script. That can't be all bad.

Your doctor is a gem - he's protecting you from the generic crap coming out of China.

410 Salamantis  Thu, Jul 30, 2009 12:42:50am

re: #125 Macker

Wish I could say the same. My pelvis was thrown out of alignment last Tuesday night and since then, after a week of adjustments (including massage), it still hurts like frak.

This mellow-thighed chick done put my spine out of place...

Youtube Video
411 Kenneth  Thu, Jul 30, 2009 5:55:20am

re: #410 Salamantis

Great Bowie tune for the morning!

412 FrogMarch  Thu, Jul 30, 2009 6:36:28am

Good day all.

413 Kenneth  Thu, Jul 30, 2009 6:50:04am

On the subject of quack alternative medicine scams, please be aware of Orthomolecular medicine.

Proponents claim to be able to cure all manner of diseases with mega doses of vitamins and minerals. Not only is this claim bogus and unsupported by any research, several people have actually died as a result of taking mega-doses of toxic vitamins. The OM quacks focus on bilking the most desperate: cancer patients, people with AIDs, and the mentally ill. And true to quack form, they insist there is a Conspiracy of the AMA and Big Pharma to shut them down.

414 DeathtotheSwiss  Thu, Jul 30, 2009 9:50:20am

Science. Ignored by both sides of the political spectrum since whenever it becomes useful.

415 nomorelies  Thu, Jul 30, 2009 12:50:20pm

I am a radical conservative and hate like hell that you align alternative medicine with a phony like Arianna Huffington. Sorry bud, but you so remind me of the doctor with the "Quackary" website. Medicinal herbs and alternative therapies are very promising and do not deserve to be kicked around in the political realm. The real radicals, liars and quacks are in the halls of congress, the senate and in the white house. Obama stinks to high heaven and I am not proud to be an American anymore.

Remember the Alamo.

Viva the Republic of Texas.

416 Throbert McGee  Thu, Jul 30, 2009 1:06:59pm

re: #49 Kosh's Shadow

A quack and a ducky? Calls for some Black Adder, where he goes to Dr. Leech...

"First, kill everyone else in the whole world! AH-HA-HA-HA-HA!"

/a wise old crone outlines a simple, foolproof plan to ensure that BlackAdder's homosexual fling with handsome young manservant "Bob" will never cause him social embarrassment...

417 redstateredneck  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 11:23:14am

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