Dan Rather Calls on Obama to Save the Media

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The irrepressible Dan Rather wants President Barack Obama to form a commission and save the media.

Former CBS News anchor Dan Rather called on President Barack Obama to form a White House commission to help save the press Tuesday night in an impassioned speech at the Aspen Institute.

“I personally encourage the president to establish a White House commission on public media,” the legendary newsman said.

Such a commission on media reform, Rather said, ought to make recommendations on saving journalism jobs and creating new business models to keep news organizations alive. At stake, he argued, is the very survival of American democracy.

“A truly free and independent press is the red beating heart of democracy and freedom,” Rather said in an interview yesterday afternoon. “This is not something just for journalists to be concerned about, and the loss of jobs and the loss of newspapers, and the diminution of the American press’ traditional role of being the watchdog on power. This is something every citizen should be concerned about.”

The irony is glacier-thick; this is the guy who was caught red-handed pushing obviously phony documents on his 60 Minutes show, in an outrageous attempt to affect a presidential election in the final days before the vote.

The article by Andrew Travers in the Aspen Daily News does not even mention this little indiscretion, of course.

Speaking at the posh Aspen Meadows resort in Colorado, Dan the Phony Document Man was so torn up at the predicament of the press that he began to weep.

Tears welled in the lifelong reporter’s eyes as he discussed the dwindling number of war correspondents.

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540 comments
1 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Jul 30, 2009 10:57:38am

Courage.

2 Randall Gross  Thu, Jul 30, 2009 10:57:55am

Dan wants to be Media Czar

3 LGoPs  Thu, Jul 30, 2009 10:58:09am

Rather is asking for the MFM to be turned into Pravda. What an ass.

4 SasquatchOnSteroids  Thu, Jul 30, 2009 10:58:25am

Words fail me...

5 Only The Lurker Knows  Thu, Jul 30, 2009 10:58:57am

Fake, but accurate.

6 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Jul 30, 2009 10:58:59am

I want to make a joke, but don't want a time out.

7 tradewind  Thu, Jul 30, 2009 10:59:08am

The PPP?***
President's Press Posse

8 doppelganglander  Thu, Jul 30, 2009 10:59:11am

Halp us, Burock Obammuh! We are loosing munny!

9 LGoPs  Thu, Jul 30, 2009 10:59:11am
“A truly free and independent press is the red beating heart of democracy and freedom,” Rather said in an interview yesterday afternoon. “This is not something just for journalists to be concerned about, and the loss of jobs and the loss of newspapers, and the diminution of the American press’ traditional role of being the watchdog on power. This is something every citizen should be concerned about.”

What fucking planet does this asshole live on?

10 Charles Johnson  Thu, Jul 30, 2009 10:59:23am

re: #2 Thanos

Dan wants to be Media Czar

He might be angling for the czar slot.

11 vxbush  Thu, Jul 30, 2009 10:59:39am

Personally, I'm loving this. I love how Rather is so blinded by his own viewpoint that he cannot be objective about this, despite all his protests about the objectivity of the media. It's just beautiful.

12 pegcity  Thu, Jul 30, 2009 10:59:47am

Media to Obama, "you owe us buddy"

13 Kragar  Thu, Jul 30, 2009 11:00:04am

You've got to wonder if Dan hums the "Superman" theme to himself if he comes up with this crap.

Tears welled in the lifelong reporter’s eyes as he discussed the dwindling number of war correspondents.

One question for Dan. What do you think of Michael Yon?

14 [deleted]  Thu, Jul 30, 2009 11:00:25am
15 tradewind  Thu, Jul 30, 2009 11:00:29am

re: #2 Thanos

Yeah, that'd make him as happy as a speckled pup in a manure pile.

16 Randall Gross  Thu, Jul 30, 2009 11:01:29am
Tears welled in the lifelong reporter’s eyes as he discussed the dwindling number of war correspondents.

Tears of courage in the face of a lifetime of being independent and wrong...

17 LGoPs  Thu, Jul 30, 2009 11:01:29am

This bastard has done more to undermine the 'watchdog' role of the press than anyone I can think of. He is the epitome of what's wrong with journalism. I am speechless at his lack of self reflection.

18 Desert Dog  Thu, Jul 30, 2009 11:01:35am

Bones to Capt. Kirk:

"...it's too late Jim, it's dead"

19 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Thu, Jul 30, 2009 11:01:52am

Just wow.

20 Only The Lurker Knows  Thu, Jul 30, 2009 11:02:29am

re: #13 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)


"One question for Dan. What do you think of Michael Yon?"

Well since he reports the facts and not the hype that the MSM bigwigs want and he also uses the Internet to disseminate his reports, he probably dismisses him out of hand.

21 JustABill  Thu, Jul 30, 2009 11:02:38am

Funny, talk radio, and the internet seem to be doing fine. Even Fox news is in pretty good shape.

Might be a lesson there...

22 funky chicken  Thu, Jul 30, 2009 11:02:44am

re: #9 LGoPs

LOLZ

23 [deleted]  Thu, Jul 30, 2009 11:03:08am
24 MrSilverDragon  Thu, Jul 30, 2009 11:03:27am

But, but, but... what about the children?! Won't somebody please think about the children?!

Dan, I suggest reading Orwell someday.

/random thoughts

25 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Jul 30, 2009 11:03:35am

Irony: Mary Mapes announced as the new Media Czar

26 quickjustice  Thu, Jul 30, 2009 11:03:36am

Dan Rather certainly is in a position to lecture Charles and the rest of us! /

27 Randall Gross  Thu, Jul 30, 2009 11:03:59am

re: #10 Charles

He might be angling for the czar slot.

“I personally encourage the president to establish a White House commission on public media,headed by Me, ME, ME!” the legendary newsman said.

28 Desert Dog  Thu, Jul 30, 2009 11:04:14am

Hey Dan, it's "WATCHDOG", not "LAPDOG"...I think you and your buddies got that mixed up.

29 Cato the Elder  Thu, Jul 30, 2009 11:05:13am

I know, let's nationalize the newspapers!

30 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Jul 30, 2009 11:05:38am

re: #25 Cannadian Club Akbar

Irony: Mary Mapes announced as the new Media Czar

Linky?

31 Randall Gross  Thu, Jul 30, 2009 11:05:44am

Notice the fawning words here "Legendary"... legendary in fraud?

32 [deleted]  Thu, Jul 30, 2009 11:06:01am
33 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Jul 30, 2009 11:06:16am

re: #30 Walter L. Newton

Linky?

Jokie...

34 Mad Al-Jaffee  Thu, Jul 30, 2009 11:06:32am

What frequency should the new media use, Kenneth?

35 Kragar  Thu, Jul 30, 2009 11:07:13am

re: #29 Cato the Elder

I know, let's nationalize the newspapers!

If all the news goes thru a central source, we can verify the facts before misinformation gets out there.

/

36 quickjustice  Thu, Jul 30, 2009 11:07:17am

Rather became famous as CBS White House correspondent during the Presidency of Lyndon Johnson. He and Johnson both were alumni of Southwest Texas State Teachers College, and Johnson liked him.

Rather also would fly to the site of natural disasters and hurricanes to report on the evening news. That was his gimmick.

Forged documents? Hey, anything to destroy Bush, right???

But we do owe Rather thanks for inadvertently elevating Charles Johnson to national prominence.

37 eschew_obfuscation  Thu, Jul 30, 2009 11:07:38am

Getting awfully close to a constitutional issue here...

"Congress shall make no law...abridging freedom of speech, or of the press..."

38 Leonidas Hoplite  Thu, Jul 30, 2009 11:07:52am

Let 'em FAIL

39 Cato the Elder  Thu, Jul 30, 2009 11:08:07am

Personally, I can't wait for my local paper to go ahead and die already. It's a travesty, a pale, stuttering, limping, Chicago-Tribune-owned ghost of its former self. The local free "alternative" weekly does more investigative journalism than the old daily anymore.

Maybe Dan would like to start by trying to revive that corpse. Then we can see about czarism.

40 MrSilverDragon  Thu, Jul 30, 2009 11:09:05am

re: #39 Cato the Elder

Personally, I can't wait for my local paper to go ahead and die already. It's a travesty, a pale, stuttering, limping, Chicago-Tribune-owned ghost of its former self. The local free "alternative" weekly does more investigative journalism than the old daily anymore.

Maybe Dan would like to start by trying to revive that corpse. Then we can see about czarism.

I read czarism as sarcasm. I think both work here.

41 quickjustice  Thu, Jul 30, 2009 11:09:29am

Propping up failing businesses and washed-up television news anchors: the mission of the Obama Administration.

42 opnion  Thu, Jul 30, 2009 11:09:35am

What's the frequency Kenneth?

43 WindHorse  Thu, Jul 30, 2009 11:09:43am

talk about stuck on stupid!

This guy doesn't know when to quit does he?

44 Kragar  Thu, Jul 30, 2009 11:09:58am

Dan Rather and the trenchcoat

45 turn  Thu, Jul 30, 2009 11:10:12am

"This is something every citizen should be concerned about"

pssst Dan, No there is this sekrit source of true journalism called "blogs" and it's available on this amazing thing called the "internets" that the government doesn't have to help regulate (yet). When will this guy ever get a clue. Incidentally I understand Cronkite couldn't stand Dannyboy, not that that's an endorsement of Cronkite or anything.

[Link: www.washingtonpost.com...]

46 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Jul 30, 2009 11:10:12am

re: #36 quickjustice

Rather became famous as CBS White House correspondent during the Presidency of Lyndon Johnson. He and Johnson both were alumni of Southwest Texas State Teachers College, and Johnson liked him.

Rather also would fly to the site of natural disasters and hurricanes to report on the evening news. That was his gimmick.

Forged documents? Hey, anything to destroy Bush, right???

But we do owe Rather thanks for inadvertently elevating Charles Johnson to national prominence.


I remember him clutching a pole during a hurricane in the Florida panhandle. Don't remember the hurricane name. A bit windy, though.

47 lawhawk  Thu, Jul 30, 2009 11:10:16am

Hey Dan,

Nice to see that you're still keeping yourself busy all these months after trying to pass off completely bogus documents as the real deal. How'd that work out for you and the rest of the industry, which tries to this day to ignore the fact that the media was trying to throw the 2004 election for Kerry and against President Bush.

Now, you want the government to help out the industry? Yeah, how about saving the industry from itself first - by treating the news objectively instead of pushing opinion journalism as news. How about treating political scandals objectively and fairly - name that party anyone?

How about adhering to the very codes of conduct that the various media outlets espouse to hold aloft as signs of their primacy as providers of information? You know - like sourcing stories and providing facts instead of pushing agendas?

How about respecting national security instead of trying to play gotcha journalism with a politician to score points?

Oh, I could go on, but everyone else gets the idea. I just know that you wouldn't (and don't).

Cheers!
lawhawk

48 eschew_obfuscation  Thu, Jul 30, 2009 11:10:22am

re: #41 quickjustice

Propping up failing businesses and washed-up television news anchors: the mission of the Obama Administration.

Hey! I have an idea! Let's subsidize failure. That way we can have more of it.
//

49 Cato the Elder  Thu, Jul 30, 2009 11:10:41am

Let me try again:

"I know, let's put on a show! Why, Dan here can paint the sets, and Mary can make the costumes. And...and...we can sell tickets on this new Internet thing they're talking about. We can do it! We can save the high-school paper!"

50 Idle Drifter  Thu, Jul 30, 2009 11:10:49am

Dan Rather standing up there crying reminds me of that preacher that proclaimed "I have sinned!" on television with all the same sincerity.

51 DaddyG  Thu, Jul 30, 2009 11:11:08am

Oh Danny boy, the network types are falling
From rags to rags, a downward market slide
Old Walters gone, and network powers are dying
'Tis you, 'tis you must go your face to hide.
But come ye back when hell feels cool and mellow
Or when the devils playing in the snow
'Cause I'll be here with fake TANG memo throbbing
Oh Danny boy, oh Danny boy, you too must go.

And if you come, when all the networks dying
And they are dead, as dead I they can be
You'll come and find the treasury is piling
up stacks of stimulus for buggy whips and thee.

52 [deleted]  Thu, Jul 30, 2009 11:12:43am
53 subsailor68  Thu, Jul 30, 2009 11:12:51am

re: #31 Thanos

Notice the fawning words here "Legendary"... legendary in fraud?

Hi Thanos! Heh, here's a little irony from Merriam Webster:

Main entry: leg·end·ary
Pronunciation:
ˈle-jən-ˌder-ē, -ˌde-rē
Function:
adjective
Date:
circa 1587

1 : of, relating to, or characteristic of legend or a legend 2 : well-known, famous
synonyms: see fictitious

Maybe it's an apt term after all!

;-)

54 Randall Gross  Thu, Jul 30, 2009 11:13:25am

re: #50 Idle Drifter

Dan Rather standing up there crying reminds me of that preacher that proclaimed "I have sinned!" on television with all the same sincerity.

Maybe he'd get more press on this stuff if he put on mascara as thick as Tammy Faye

55 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Thu, Jul 30, 2009 11:13:29am
“A truly free and independent press is the red beating heart of democracy and freedom,”

Beating heart or throbbing heart, Dan?

It's been throbbing at least since Uncle Walter broadcast that the Tet Offensive was a defeat for the United States.

56 Silvergirl  Thu, Jul 30, 2009 11:13:48am

If we've come to a point where our country has to depend on the MSM for our survival, we're doomed.

57 [deleted]  Thu, Jul 30, 2009 11:14:35am
58 Kragar  Thu, Jul 30, 2009 11:15:05am

re: #57 buzzsawmonkey

And when we start to distill that bullshit for the methane, we will achieve energy independence! It's all part of the Obama Master Plan.

If Obama is Master, who is Blaster?

59 [deleted]  Thu, Jul 30, 2009 11:15:21am
60 KansasMom  Thu, Jul 30, 2009 11:15:53am

Welcome to the internet age, Dan. Now we have blogs serving as watchdogs on the MSM's power. We need 'em, too, because of shenanigans like yours.

61 solomonpanting  Thu, Jul 30, 2009 11:16:29am
Tears welled in the lifelong reporter’s eyes as he discussed the dwindling number of war correspondents.

There ain't no way to hide your lyin' eyes

62 butterick  Thu, Jul 30, 2009 11:16:31am

Fox ought to hire him as Glenn Beck's co host so they can both burst into tears at the slightest provocation. Give them a big crying statue of liberty for a prop, like the editorial cartoons in The Onion. Call it The Waterworks Report.

63 calcajun  Thu, Jul 30, 2009 11:16:47am

re: #10 Charles

He might be angling for the czar slot.

Asylums should not be run by the occupants.
Hen houses should not be overseen by foxes and other predators.
Captain Louis Reynaud should not be in charge of gambling enforcement.
Dan Rather should be kept far away from running what is sure to be come our own Pravda.

64 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Jul 30, 2009 11:16:53am

Connect...

“I personally encourage the president to establish a White House commission on public media,” the legendary newsman said.


Disconnect...

“A truly free and independent press is the red beating heart of democracy and freedom,” Rather said in an interview yesterday afternoon.

How does "White House commission" and "independent" work? How in the hell could the press would really be a "watchdog?" Sounds more like a lapdog.

65 calcajun  Thu, Jul 30, 2009 11:17:13am

re: #58 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

If Obama is Master, who is Blaster?

Rahm? Nah-- to small.

66 vxbush  Thu, Jul 30, 2009 11:17:37am

re: #64 Walter L. Newton

Connect...

How does "White House commission" and "independent" work? How in the hell could the press would really be a "watchdog?" Sounds more like a lapdog.

And how would that be different from now?

67 Kronocide  Thu, Jul 30, 2009 11:17:39am

Dan, Just Admit It.

68 Van Helsing  Thu, Jul 30, 2009 11:17:41am

re: #55 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Beating heart or throbbing heart, Dan?

It's been throbbing at least since Uncle Walter broadcast that the Tet Offensive was a defeat for the United States.

For that I truly learned to despise Cronkite.
Loved his space program reporting, not enough to like the man.

69 KenJen  Thu, Jul 30, 2009 11:17:52am

Can't post. Laughing too hard.

70 Idle Drifter  Thu, Jul 30, 2009 11:18:05am

re: #54 Thanos

Maybe he'd get more press on this stuff if he put on mascara as thick as Tammy Faye

My eyes just exploded from that thought.

71 turn  Thu, Jul 30, 2009 11:18:10am

re: #47 lawhawk

That post reminded me of the Stephen Glass movie I watched last weekend LH. It was pretty entertaining to see the level that some phony journalists will sink to in an effort to cover for a bogus story.
[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

72 SasquatchOnSteroids  Thu, Jul 30, 2009 11:18:17am

Let it go, man.
You're retired, go play your golf with your buddies, cheat on your score, whatever.
Just leave us be.

73 Mad Al-Jaffee  Thu, Jul 30, 2009 11:18:31am

Meanwhile, Ted Kennedy's getting a Medal of Freedom (freedom of self from a submerged car?)

[Link: firstread.msnbc.msn.com...]

74 Kragar  Thu, Jul 30, 2009 11:18:54am

Pelosi lashes out against insurance companies

"It's almost immoral what they are doing," Pelosi said to reporters, referring to insurance companies. "Of course they've been immoral all along in how they have treated the people that they insure," she said, adding, "They are the villains. They have been part of the problem in a major way. They are doing everything in their power to stop a public option from happening."

Funny, I could say the same about Congress.

75 F451  Thu, Jul 30, 2009 11:19:00am

I have no problem with news-readers getting federal subsidies, provided that -- while performing their official duties -- they wear stiletto heels, a bustier, and bright red lipstick...

...like all the other whores.

76 Dianna  Thu, Jul 30, 2009 11:19:28am

re: #50 Idle Drifter

Dan Rather standing up there crying reminds me of that preacher that proclaimed "I have sinned!" on television with all the same sincerity.

Jimmy Swaggart? "The Crying Preacher"?

77 Kragar  Thu, Jul 30, 2009 11:19:31am

re: #67 BigPapa

Dan, Just Admit It.

I'M NOT LISTENING! NANANANANANANA!

78 Van Helsing  Thu, Jul 30, 2009 11:19:49am

re: #74 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Pelosi lashes out against insurance companies

Funny, I could say the same about Congress.


Projection?

79 calcajun  Thu, Jul 30, 2009 11:20:20am

re: #38 Leonidas Hoplite

Let 'em FAIL

--When you make a product no one is buying, do you

A. reformulate your business plan and tailor it to the market demands

B Blame the competition for unfair practices

c. Seek the government's help to allow you to continue doing "business as usual.

80 Dianna  Thu, Jul 30, 2009 11:20:36am

re: #74 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Pelosi lashes out against insurance companies

Funny, I could say the same about Congress.

Eeep!

81 John Neverbend  Thu, Jul 30, 2009 11:20:38am

re: #21 JustABill

Funny, talk radio, and the internet seem to be doing fine. Even Fox news is in pretty good shape.

Might be a lesson there...

Quite. It would be ironic if this hypothetical commission came to the conclusion that a good model to follow for the survival of the media was that of Limbaugh, Hannity, Beck and even, chas vechalila, Michael Savage.

82 Silvergirl  Thu, Jul 30, 2009 11:20:47am

Princess Dan.

He's channeling Princess Leia with his "Obi-wan Kenobi; you're my only hope!" routine.

83 Cato the Elder  Thu, Jul 30, 2009 11:20:48am

re: #76 Dianna

Jimmy Swaggart? "The Crying Preacher"?

At least he admitted it. I respect him not at all, but that's more than I do Dan...

84 vxbush  Thu, Jul 30, 2009 11:20:57am

re: #79 calcajun

--When you make a product no one is buying, do you

A. reformulate your business plan and tailor it to the market demands

B Blame the competition for unfair practices

c. Seek the government's help to allow you to continue doing "business as usual.

d. Run to the government for money so you can reformulate your business without filing for bankruptcy coverage.

85 Shiplord Kirel  Thu, Jul 30, 2009 11:21:12am

Contrary to Dan's blatherings, media and journalism as such are thriving; in the blogs, talk radio, and other alternate media. New business models, created with no help from government other than to stay out of the way, are a big part of the success of these new media.

It is only the dinosaur media establishment, of which Dan is a made member, that is in danger of well-deserved extinction.

A generation ago, it would have been unthinkable for the all-powerful media industrial complex to submit to government control. Now that their power and profits are being challenged, they are actually demanding it.

86 turn  Thu, Jul 30, 2009 11:21:19am

re: #56 Silvergirl

If we've come to a point where our country has to depend on the MSM for our survival, we're doomed.

Fortunately it's the other way around, and that's why print media is dead.

87 JHW  Thu, Jul 30, 2009 11:21:44am

I'm surprised Dan hasn't gotten together with another "legendary" reporter,
Peter Arnett.

88 eschew_obfuscation  Thu, Jul 30, 2009 11:21:44am

re: #74 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Pelosi lashes out against insurance companies

Funny, I could say the same about Congress.

Why are insurance companies bad, Nancy?
What's that? Oh, you need something else to regulate...not enough power yet.

89 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Jul 30, 2009 11:22:39am

OT - From CNN on the garden party at the White House. (but on topic considering the press is in Obama's pocket)

Whalen's call -- now clearly the well-intentioned act of a passerby -- ignited a firestorm over race and police relations...

No. Barry bringing this up, with out the facts, ignited a firestorm. Obama is not going to own up to any of this, and the press is helping him out every step of the way.

90 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Thu, Jul 30, 2009 11:23:24am

re: #68 Van Helsing

For that I truly learned to despise Cronkite.
Loved his space program reporting, not enough to like the man.

And in spite of Vietnam, I was truly happy for him when he was photographed laughing like a kid at the wheel of USS Constitution, mid-Nineties, when she sailed under her own power. I just could not bring myself to disparage him in that context.

/point is, for me, it took something like that

91 Kragar  Thu, Jul 30, 2009 11:24:26am

2 words for San Fran Nan, Tort Reform

92 Idle Drifter  Thu, Jul 30, 2009 11:24:39am

re: #76 Dianna

Jimmy Swaggart? "The Crying Preacher"?

I don't know. I'm also looking for the Al Bundy video when he did the same thing at his Man's Church after a video was played of him enjoying a night out with Peggy.

93 Kronocide  Thu, Jul 30, 2009 11:24:44am

re: #85 Shiplord Kirel

Contrary to Dan's blatherings, media and journalism as such are thriving; in the blogs, talk radio, and other alternate media. New business models, created with no help from government other than to stay out of the way, are a big part of the success of these new media.

Media is changing, not dying. He can't understand the difference.

94 Dianna  Thu, Jul 30, 2009 11:24:44am

re: #83 Cato the Elder

At least he admitted it. I respect him not at all, but that's more than I do Dan...

I've played with using a Swaggart-like character in a novel. The man's just so strange.

95 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Thu, Jul 30, 2009 11:25:01am

re: #85 Shiplord Kirel

Contrary to Dan's blatherings, media and journalism as such are thriving; in the blogs, talk radio, and other alternate media. New business models, created with no help from government other than to stay out of the way, are a big part of the success of these new media.

It is only the dinosaur media establishment, of which Dan is a made member, that is in danger of well-deserved extinction.

A generation ago, it would have been unthinkable for the all-powerful media industrial complex to submit to government control. Now that their power and profits are being challenged, they are actually demanding it.

They have made themselves into the Froth Estate.

96 BlueCanuck  Thu, Jul 30, 2009 11:25:26am

re: #92 Idle Drifter

Ah, the "Church of No Ma'am".

97 Cato the Elder  Thu, Jul 30, 2009 11:25:41am

By the way, in case no one else has nominated it, my hot tip for tonight's brew to be served at the Oval Office Beer Bash is Collaboration not Litigation.

This beer typifies the spirit of the craft brewing community. Vinnie Cilurzo of Russia River Brewing and Adam Avery of Avery Brewing realized they both had beers named Salvation. Showing a selfish disregard for the financial health of America’s lawyers, the two brewers decided that instead of suing each other, they’d team up to brew this bold beer.

Can't we all just get along?

98 vxbush  Thu, Jul 30, 2009 11:25:54am

re: #94 Dianna

I've played with using a Swaggart-like character in a novel. The man's just so strange.

Oh, Paul speaks of being a fool for the gospel, but I don't think he had Swaggart in mind.

99 solomonpanting  Thu, Jul 30, 2009 11:26:57am
“I feel particularly strong about coverage of the wars,” he said, noting that covering the war in Afghanistan is his top priority on his HDNet program. “No apologies, both as a journalist and as a citizen I just can’t stand to leave those guys out there, fighting, dying, bleeding, getting torn up and say, ‘Look, it’s page 14 news.’ Or ‘Sorry, not on tonight’s newscast.’ It’s an example of the problem, that and not having the watchdogs.”


Well, if there's any good news stories coming from the war front, the MSM won't report them. They're only interested in those stories that denigrate the military, make the US look bad and blame Bush.
Have there been many, if any, stories praising the troops for turning over to Iraqis the responsiblity for their own security, or just the constant blather of "bring the troops home"?

100 lawhawk  Thu, Jul 30, 2009 11:27:47am

re: #88 eschew_obfuscation

It's not insurance companies aren't already heavily regulated. It's not like insurance companies aren't under enough pressure as it is to provide access to health care.

And yet Pelosi thinks that the insurance companies are the bogeymen? What about all the onerous regulations that make providing health care so incredibly expensive? What about the government distortion of the marketplace that prevents insurance companies from offering plans that might not have all the bells and whistles that the state insurance regulators want, but which would serve the needs of those who want them?

101 JohnnyReb  Thu, Jul 30, 2009 11:28:02am

Dan "I'm not quite dead yet" Rather need to go on a very long vacation and STFU.

102 Oh no...Sand People!  Thu, Jul 30, 2009 11:28:02am

Sure someone upthread has said this,

Dan should be made the Czar, hmmm what to call the newly formed beauracracy...oh, I see it now, aw yes, here it is, Ministry of Truth.

103 Dianna  Thu, Jul 30, 2009 11:28:12am

re: #98 vxbush

Oh, Paul speaks of being a fool for the gospel, but I don't think he had Swaggart in mind.

Me, neither. But Swaggart fascinates me. I'm always intrigued by people who are both sincere and wildly hypocritical. How one would write that so it makes some kind of psychological sense? I'm not that good.

104 Shiplord Kirel  Thu, Jul 30, 2009 11:28:19am

"Red beating heart" or "red throbbing memo," Dan?

105 SasquatchOnSteroids  Thu, Jul 30, 2009 11:29:08am

Dan must have a picture of himself hanging over his own fireplace.
Gees.

106 vxbush  Thu, Jul 30, 2009 11:29:33am

re: #103 Dianna

Me, neither. But Swaggart fascinates me. I'm always intrigued by people who are both sincere and wildly hypocritical. How one would write that so it makes some kind of psychological sense? I'm not that good.

I have no ideas as to who has done that well. I'm sure someone has, but I can't think of an author at hand.

107 experiencedtraveller  Thu, Jul 30, 2009 11:32:09am

They myth of

American press’ traditional role

was established in the 1950's with the advent of television-for-the-masses when a limited elite controlled the three extant networks.

These business' developed a veneer of political neutrality as good business sense as a hedge against the charge of monopoly. It was immensely profitable for decades.

The internet, cable tv and the blogs destroyed the model and the monopoly.

108 reine.de.tout  Thu, Jul 30, 2009 11:32:51am

re: #103 Dianna

Me, neither. But Swaggart fascinates me. I'm always intrigued by people who are both sincere and wildly hypocritical. How one would write that so it makes some kind of psychological sense? I'm not that good.

Swaggart is part of a family of charismatic entertainment-types.
He just chose preaching.

109 Oh no...Sand People!  Thu, Jul 30, 2009 11:33:31am

re: #74 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Pelosi lashes out against insurance companies

"It's almost immoral what they are doing," Pelosi said to reporters, referring to insurance companies. "Of course they've been immoral all along in how they have treated the people that they insure," she said, adding, "They are the villains. They have been part of the problem in a major way. They are doing everything in their power to stop a public option from happening."

Immoral? I love how she throws that word around... makes me think she is teaching in a sunday school class.

110 Idle Drifter  Thu, Jul 30, 2009 11:33:40am

re: #102 Oh no...Sand People!

Sure someone upthread has said this,

Dan should be made the Czar, hmmm what to call the newly formed beauracracy...oh, I see it now, aw yes, here it is, Ministry of Truth.

2 + 2 = 5

111 eschew_obfuscation  Thu, Jul 30, 2009 11:34:01am

re: #100 lawhawk

It's not insurance companies aren't already heavily regulated. It's not like insurance companies aren't under enough pressure as it is to provide access to health care.

And yet Pelosi thinks that the insurance companies are the bogeymen? What about all the onerous regulations that make providing health care so incredibly expensive? What about the government distortion of the marketplace that prevents insurance companies from offering plans that might not have all the bells and whistles that the state insurance regulators want, but which would serve the needs of those who want them?

Indeed. My wife just bought a policy from BCBS for about $350/mo... less than half of what she was paying American Community for her old policy. One difference is that the new policy doesn't cover mental illness and pregnancy related care ... neither of which, I'm happy to say, is an issue for us. But to get the new policy, she had to sign off on those issues in a special waiver required by the state. Some time ago, I remember hearing discussion of requiring such coverage on all policies as a part of the new health care "reform".

One third of my business comes from regulation from government. I'm happy to have it, but it's a big load on insurance companies and their clients.

112 John Neverbend  Thu, Jul 30, 2009 11:34:13am

re: #106 vxbush

I have no ideas as to who has done that well. I'm sure someone has, but I can't think of an author at hand.

VDH provides some possible examples.

Our Angry Aristocracy

113 saylorfam  Thu, Jul 30, 2009 11:34:31am

re: #92 Idle Drifter


Al and his mens group NO MA'AM decide to form their own church in order to avoid paying beer tax. When Marcy and her women's group FANG expose Al's plan to the public, NO MA'AM surprisingly receives sympathy and donations from thousands of long-suffering married men in America which makes it possible for them to open their church. Al becomes a televangelist and preaches the NO MA'AM way of life.

114 Van Helsing  Thu, Jul 30, 2009 11:34:33am

re: #110 Idle Drifter

2 + 2 = 5

Oceania has always been at war with Eastasia.

115 Cato the Elder  Thu, Jul 30, 2009 11:34:33am

My Moonbat Brother (MMT™) still thinks the 60 Minutes memos forgery has either "never been proven" or (fallback position) "but it doesn't matter, the point was that Bush blahblahblah..." He still can't see the incalculable damage it did to CBS's credibility.

It's one of a long, long list of things I won't talk to him about anymore.

116 opnion  Thu, Jul 30, 2009 11:34:45am

Rather is just amazing. He & Mapes foist a bogus smear document on the public to influence an election. Even after it was prove false right here, he clung to it's accuracy as long as he could. When that was no longer tenable he reverted to "Fake but accurate"
He is not the guy to revive the MSM, he did so much to destroy it.

117 Mad Al-Jaffee  Thu, Jul 30, 2009 11:35:11am

re: #103 Dianna

Me, neither. But Swaggart fascinates me. I'm always intrigued by people who are both sincere and wildly hypocritical. How one would write that so it makes some kind of psychological sense? I'm not that good.

It's interesting to me that Swaggart and Jerry Lee Lewis are cousins. I think Mickey Gilley is also related to them.

118 solomonpanting  Thu, Jul 30, 2009 11:35:34am

re: #109 Oh no...Sand People!

Immoral? I love how she throws that word around... makes me think she is teaching in a sunday school class.

A teaching moment.

119 Idle Drifter  Thu, Jul 30, 2009 11:36:02am

re: #113 saylorfam

That was a funny episode.

120 Cathypop  Thu, Jul 30, 2009 11:37:09am

Would some one please take this man on a one-way fishing trip? Pretty Please?

121 JohnnyReb  Thu, Jul 30, 2009 11:37:16am

re: #109 Oh no...Sand People!

Immoral? I love how she throws that word around... makes me think she is teaching in a sunday school class.

This is going to go down in flames just like amnesty. The Dems are already frothing at the mouth and calling out bogeymen and scape goats. The irony of Pelosi not getting the fact it is such a bad bill that she can't get it passed when the Dems control all 3 branches is telling.

122 reine.de.tout  Thu, Jul 30, 2009 11:37:32am

re: #115 Cato the Elder

My Moonbat Brother (MMT™) still thinks the 60 Minutes memos forgery has either "never been proven" or (fallback position) "but it doesn't matter, the point was that Bush blahblahblah..." He still can't see the incalculable damage it did to CBS's credibility.

It's one of a long, long list of things I won't talk to him about anymore.

Unbelievable.
I would assume that your very own brother would be as intellectually gifted as you are; and to hear that a very very smart person has been taken in by that leaves me speechless.

123 Cato the Elder  Thu, Jul 30, 2009 11:37:49am

re: #108 reine.de.tout

Swaggart is part of a family of charismatic entertainment-types.
He just chose preaching.

I prefer his cousin, Jerry Lee "Great Balls of Fire" Lewis, an honest 13-year-old-first-cousin-marryin' American legend.

124 reine.de.tout  Thu, Jul 30, 2009 11:38:08am

re: #117 Mad Al-Jaffee

It's interesting to me that Swaggart and Jerry Lee Lewis are cousins. I think Mickey Gilley is also related to them.

Yep, another cousin. They are all cousins. All charismatic in their own way. All in the entertainment business.

125 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Jul 30, 2009 11:38:12am

re: #120 Cathypop

Would some one please take this man on a one-way fishing trip? Pretty Please?

What's a one-way fishing trip?

126 BlueCanuck  Thu, Jul 30, 2009 11:38:37am

re: #120 Cathypop

Would some one please take this man on a one-way fishing trip? Pretty Please?

I would but I don't think I could even get sharks with him along...

//

127 Silvergirl  Thu, Jul 30, 2009 11:38:45am

That great article by Michael S. Malone, written in Oct last year deserves a reread. Here's a piece of it:

Sure, being a child of the '60s I saw a lot of subjective "New" Journalism, and did a fair amount of it myself, but that kind of writing, like columns and editorials, was supposed to be segregated from "real" reporting, and, at least in mainstream media, usually was. The same was true for the emerging blogosphere, which by its very nature was opinionated and biased.

But my complacent faith in my peers first began to be shaken when some of the most admired journalists in the country were exposed as plagiarists, or worse, accused of making up stories from whole cloth.

I'd spent my entire professional career scrupulously pounding out endless dreary footnotes and double-checking sources to make sure that I never got accused of lying or stealing someone else's work -- not out of any native honesty, but out of fear: I'd always been told to fake or steal a story was a firing offense … indeed, it meant being blackballed out of the profession.

And yet, few of those worthies ever seemed to get fired for their crimes -- and if they did they were soon rehired into even more prestigious jobs. It seemed as if there were two sets of rules: one for us workaday journalists toiling out in the sticks, and another for folks who'd managed, through talent or deceit, to make it to the national level.

If the MSM is dying, then helping it along would be in our best interests as a nation. Let the true reporters and journalists emerge.

128 reine.de.tout  Thu, Jul 30, 2009 11:39:00am

re: #123 Cato the Elder

I prefer his cousin, Jerry Lee "Great Balls of Fire" Lewis, an honest 13-year-old-first-cousin-marryin' American legend.

The whole lot of 'em are nutty.

129 albusteve  Thu, Jul 30, 2009 11:39:05am

OT...but urgent...
[Link: new.music.yahoo.com...]

130 Idle Drifter  Thu, Jul 30, 2009 11:39:21am

re: #114 Van Helsing

Oceania has always been at war with Eastasia.

I had never been more depressed watching a movie. I don't think I could read the book.

131 Van Helsing  Thu, Jul 30, 2009 11:39:31am

re: #111 eschew_obfuscation

If the state(s) would require insurance companies to cover such things as mental health (although I'm glad mine does), addictions, hairplugs, etc. people could get reasonable coverage for a reasonable price.

Alas, that would mean people would be responsible for their decision to decline such coverage and we know how the state feels about that.

The people might start getting uppity and thinking they don't need so much government.

132 MrSilverDragon  Thu, Jul 30, 2009 11:39:57am

re: #122 reine.de.tout

Unbelievable.
I would assume that your very own brother would be as intellectually gifted as you are; and to hear that a very very smart person has been taken in by that leaves me speechless.

You can't always assume that. My sister went to see Jurassic Park years ago, and when she walked out of the theater, she told her husband, "Gee, I wonder how they trained the dinosaurs for the movie."

No sarc tag, this really happened.

133 Shiplord Kirel  Thu, Jul 30, 2009 11:41:07am

re: #125 Walter L. Newton

What's a one-way fishing trip?

Fredo in Godfather II

134 Cygnus  Thu, Jul 30, 2009 11:41:31am

re: #34 Mad Al-Jaffee

What frequency should the new media use, Kenneth?

121.5 (for all you pilots out there).

135 Buster  Thu, Jul 30, 2009 11:41:31am

Dan fails to understand that it is uneticlal "professionals", like himself, that are largly responsible for the paridime shift in the desemination of news. The public has found credible alternatives on-line and on cable.

What's the frequency Kennith? There is none...it's all gone digital.

136 Kragar  Thu, Jul 30, 2009 11:41:45am

re: #129 albusteve

OT...but urgent...
[Link: new.music.yahoo.com...]

Step over here for a minute.

*SLAP*

137 Ojoe  Thu, Jul 30, 2009 11:41:57am

Save me!

Bail me out!

Stimulate me!

Take care of me!

Help help I'm being oppressed!


What a bunch of nanny-dependent f***ing pussies we are becoming.

138 SummerSong  Thu, Jul 30, 2009 11:42:09am

Disgraced Former CBS News anchor Dan Rather ...

There. I fixed it for ya, Andy.

139 John Neverbend  Thu, Jul 30, 2009 11:42:16am

re: #129 albusteve

OT...but urgent...
[Link: new.music.yahoo.com...]

Dear Duff, I prithee, contradict thyself and say it is not so.

140 vxbush  Thu, Jul 30, 2009 11:42:34am

re: #135 Buster

Dan fails to understand that it is uneticlal "professionals", like himself, that are largly responsible for the paridime shift in the desemination of news. The public has found credible alternatives on-line and on cable.

What's the frequency Kennith? There is none...it's all gone digital.

But he doesn't seem himself as unethical. He doesn't realize what he has done. The memos fit a meme that he truly believed.

141 reine.de.tout  Thu, Jul 30, 2009 11:42:57am

re: #132 MrSilverDragon

You can't always assume that. My sister went to see Jurassic Park years ago, and when she walked out of the theater, she told her husband, "Gee, I wonder how they trained the dinosaurs for the movie."

No sarc tag, this really happened.

haha!
Why am I laughing? That actually sounds like something I might say.

142 JohnnyReb  Thu, Jul 30, 2009 11:43:06am

re: #137 Ojoe

Save me!

Bail me out!

Stimulate me!

Take care of me!

Help help I'm being oppressed!


What a bunch of nanny-dependent f***ing pussies we are becoming.

I thought you were being repressed not oppressed?

143 Mad Al-Jaffee  Thu, Jul 30, 2009 11:43:16am

re: #132 MrSilverDragon

You can't always assume that. My sister went to see Jurassic Park years ago, and when she walked out of the theater, she told her husband, "Gee, I wonder how they trained the dinosaurs for the movie."

No sarc tag, this really happened.

My sister in law used to work with a woman who could not understand why it would be 6:00 in Europe while it's 12:00 here. She just didn't understand time zones.

I think some coworkers tried to explain it to her with a globe and a flashlight, but that didn't help.

144 reine.de.tout  Thu, Jul 30, 2009 11:43:37am

re: #140 vxbush

But he doesn't seem himself as unethical. He doesn't realize what he has done. The memos fit a meme that he truly believed.

And that he still believes.

145 Cato the Elder  Thu, Jul 30, 2009 11:43:54am

re: #122 reine.de.tout

Unbelievable.
I would assume that your very own brother would be as intellectually gifted as you are; and to hear that a very very smart person has been taken in by that leaves me speechless.

My brother is extremely smart, in the I'm-a-librarian (he is) sense of the word, and can pull factoids out of his fundament faster than a Bible literalist resolving an insoluble contradiction, but there's something lacking in the "understanding humans" department. If I want to talk about Chaldean archeology or Indo-European metaphorical topoi, he's the guy I buy a beer to loosen up his tongue. If I want an honest debate on the merits of Cap'n Trade - arrgh, matey! - I go elsewhere.

146 Kragar  Thu, Jul 30, 2009 11:44:28am

re: #137 Ojoe

Reminds me of an old joke for some reason.

What did Pinochio's girlfriend say on their date?

TELL THE TRUTH! TELL A LIE! TELL THE TRUTH! TELL A LIE!

I now return you to the thread already in progress

147 vxbush  Thu, Jul 30, 2009 11:44:58am

re: #143 Mad Al-Jaffee

My sister in law used to work with a woman who could not understand why it would be 6:00 in Europe while it's 12:00 here. She just didn't understand time zones.

I think some coworkers tried to explain it to her with a globe and a flashlight, but that didn't help.

Oh, man...

I tried to explain the idea of charting a curve on a graph, and she can't get that. But she simply does not get mathematics. At all. She's not stupid, but she can't grasp visual information like that.

148 Cato the Elder  Thu, Jul 30, 2009 11:45:23am

re: #146 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Hilarious.

149 Van Helsing  Thu, Jul 30, 2009 11:45:36am

re: #131 Van Helsing

If the state(s) would wouldn't require insurance companies to cover such things as mental health (although I'm glad mine does), addictions, hairplugs, etc. people could get

PIMF

150 Aye Pod  Thu, Jul 30, 2009 11:45:38am

I wonder if Rather's plans would result in the journalistic equivalent of the EU's butter mountains?

151 reine.de.tout  Thu, Jul 30, 2009 11:45:38am

re: #143 Mad Al-Jaffee

My sister in law used to work with a woman who could not understand why it would be 6:00 in Europe while it's 12:00 here. She just didn't understand time zones.

I think some coworkers tried to explain it to her with a globe and a flashlight, but that didn't help.

I worked with a woman who had to complete and send in her section's monthly vehicle reports, which included miles travelled, amount of gasoline purchased, and average MPG for the month.

She insisted the MPG figures had to be wrong because each month, there was some of last month's gasoline left over in the gas tanks.

152 Ojoe  Thu, Jul 30, 2009 11:45:47am

re: #142 JohnnyReb

I will have to watch The Holy Grail yet again!

153 SasquatchOnSteroids  Thu, Jul 30, 2009 11:46:17am

re: #137 Ojoe

Save me!

Bail me out!

Stimulate me!

Take care of me!

Help help I'm being oppressed!

What a bunch of nanny-dependent f***ing pussies we are becoming.

FTR, I am not and never plan on being a NDFP.

154 quickjustice  Thu, Jul 30, 2009 11:46:23am

re: #127 Silvergirl

How do you feel about Tom Wolfe?

155 Targetpractice  Thu, Jul 30, 2009 11:46:29am

It's called survival of the fittest, Dan. When an animal can no longer adapt to a changing environment, it dies out. The dead tree media has made it clear that it has no intentions of adapting, but instead feels that their readers should pay for the honor, nay the privilege, of reading online the same things printed in their newspapers for the exact same price. It's not a sustainable business model, it's doomed to failure, and those papers who can't figure that out are doomed to extinction.

156 Cygnus  Thu, Jul 30, 2009 11:46:44am

re: #105 SasquatchOnSteroids

Dan must have a picture of himself hanging over his own fireplace.
Gees.

No, he has a flower-bedecked picture of himself on his home shrine.

157 SasquatchOnSteroids  Thu, Jul 30, 2009 11:46:48am

re: #137 Ojoe

Save me!

Bail me out!

Stimulate me!

Take care of me!

Help help I'm being oppressed!

What a bunch of nanny-dependent f***ing pussies we are becoming.

Oh, and well said. Cuts to the bone.

158 opnion  Thu, Jul 30, 2009 11:46:52am

re: #132 MrSilverDragon

You can't always assume that. My sister went to see Jurassic Park years ago, and when she walked out of the theater, she told her husband, "Gee, I wonder how they trained the dinosaurs for the movie."

No sarc tag, this really happened.

I think that the dinosaurs trained at Julliard. I did think that the T Rex emoted too much.

159 MrSilverDragon  Thu, Jul 30, 2009 11:47:10am

re: #143 Mad Al-Jaffee

My sister in law used to work with a woman who could not understand why it would be 6:00 in Europe while it's 12:00 here. She just didn't understand time zones.

I think some coworkers tried to explain it to her with a globe and a flashlight, but that didn't help.

I we all know those people. My example was with an orange and a flashlight. They couldn't understand why it would be daytime in London when it was nighttime in Los Angeles. Scary.

I say let natural selection take over. Remove all warning labels and let nature take its course. /only slightly on that.

160 JohnnyReb  Thu, Jul 30, 2009 11:47:17am

re: #140 vxbush

But he doesn't seem himself as unethical. He doesn't realize what he has done. The memos fit a meme that he truly believed.

The problem stems from the 1960s and Cronkite was a big part of making it happen with his Vietnam is lost speech. Once the media realized they could in fact influence current events instead of just reporting on them, they lost any credibility. It just snowballed over the years and Rather was the result. They truly believe they know what is best for America and by golly they are going to make it happen.

161 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Thu, Jul 30, 2009 11:47:24am

re: #134 Cygnus

121.5 (for all you pilots out there).

And, appropriately, no one would ever hear it.

"The decision to terminate the processing of 121.5/243 MHz signals is in response to ..."

(not a pilot, but figured it out)

162 calcajun  Thu, Jul 30, 2009 11:47:36am

re: #125 Walter L. Newton

What's a one-way fishing trip?


Ask Fredo Corleone.

163 reine.de.tout  Thu, Jul 30, 2009 11:47:57am

re: #158 opnion

I think that the dinosaurs trained at Julliard. I did think that the T Rex emoted too much.

I think the dinosaurs are trained at the CReation Museum

164 Ojoe  Thu, Jul 30, 2009 11:48:39am

re: #153 SasquatchOnSteroids

NDFP, now those initials could go somewhere.

But now, I will write:

BBL

165 calcajun  Thu, Jul 30, 2009 11:48:44am

re: #154 quickjustice

How do you feel about Tom Wolfe?

Only Good Humor reps and asylum attendants get to wear white?

166 Cygnus  Thu, Jul 30, 2009 11:49:06am

re: #125 Walter L. Newton

What's a one-way fishing trip?

A rocket ship to the constellation Pisces?

167 Ojoe  Thu, Jul 30, 2009 11:49:15am

re: #157 SasquatchOnSteroids

Thanks.

BBL

168 MrSilverDragon  Thu, Jul 30, 2009 11:49:25am

re: #159 MrSilverDragon

I think we all know those people. My example was with an orange and a flashlight. They couldn't understand why it would be daytime in London when it was nighttime in Los Angeles. Scary.

Dangit, I'm dropping words again. Time to re-up the dosage.

169 acwgusa  Thu, Jul 30, 2009 11:49:35am

re: #74 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Pelosi lashes out against insurance companies


Funny, I could say the same about Congress.

Well, of course they're bad, San Fran Nan! They're trying to stay afloat against the biggest enemy of capitalism of all time, The Obama United States Federal Goverment - Slogan - Failure isn't an Option, it's Mandatory!

170 Rexatosis  Thu, Jul 30, 2009 11:49:35am

Maybe is the MSM would report the "Who, What, When, and Where" of a story instead skipping straight to the spin cycle people might buy their product.

171 Aye Pod  Thu, Jul 30, 2009 11:49:55am

re: #130 Idle Drifter

[Video]

I had never been more depressed watching a movie. I don't think I could read the book.

The book is actually very uplifting with a light, mischievous sense of humour./

172 BlueCanuck  Thu, Jul 30, 2009 11:50:22am

re: #164 Ojoe

NDFP, now those initials could go somewhere.

But now, I will write:

BBL

Hmmm, could use them up here in the Great White North. New Democrat Fuckin Party.

/lead by "Taliban" Jack Layton.

173 solomonpanting  Thu, Jul 30, 2009 11:50:23am

Rather's anchor got stuck in the rocks and helped bring down the CBS flagship. Now this pathetic has-been is trolling for a bailout in Barack Shoals.

174 Gus  Thu, Jul 30, 2009 11:50:33am

Ironic isn't it? Over-payed, multi-millionaire speaking at the posh, resort like Aspen Institute in Aspen, Colorado and begging the government to "save the media."

175 calcajun  Thu, Jul 30, 2009 11:51:02am

re: #128 reine.de.tout

The whole lot of 'em are nutty.

Especially the off-spring./

176 nikis-knight  Thu, Jul 30, 2009 11:51:11am

re: #137 Ojoe

Save me!

Bail me out!

Stimulate me!

Take care of me!

Help help I'm being oppressed!


What a bunch of nanny-dependent f***ing pussies we are becoming.


That's why I get pissed off by all those radio adds I heard this year along the lines of "The government is bailing out buisiness--now it's your turn!" or "Where's my bail-out?"

Is no one proud of self-sufficiency anymore?

177 Cato the Elder  Thu, Jul 30, 2009 11:51:16am

re: #151 reine.de.tout

I worked with a woman who had to complete and send in her section's monthly vehicle reports, which included miles travelled, amount of gasoline purchased, and average MPG for the month.

She insisted the MPG figures had to be wrong because each month, there was some of last month's gasoline left over in the gas tanks.

They once did a study asking people to indicate the level of the water in a tipping glass. Went like this. A picture of a glass two-thirds full of water was tilted this way and that. The respondents were told to use a stick to indicate which way the surface of the water would point in reality for any given angle of tilt.

Half the people thought it would stay even with the walls of the glass no matter which way you turned it.

Which would mean, if you tipped it upside-down, the water would stay in the glass.

178 Targetpractice  Thu, Jul 30, 2009 11:51:28am

re: #129 albusteve

OT...but urgent...
[Link: new.music.yahoo.com...]

Oh shit, say it ain't so! Next, you'll tell me the Oscars are rigged!

///

179 Silvergirl  Thu, Jul 30, 2009 11:51:49am

re: #154 quickjustice

How do you feel about Tom Wolfe?

The author of The Right Stuff? What I know about him, I like. I'm not truly knowledgeable on him. Why?

180 Shiplord Kirel  Thu, Jul 30, 2009 11:52:11am

re: #160 JohnnyReb

The problem stems from the 1960s and Cronkite was a big part of making it happen with his Vietnam is lost speech. Once the media realized they could in fact influence current events instead of just reporting on them, they lost any credibility. It just snowballed over the years and Rather was the result. They truly believe they know what is best for America and by golly they are going to make it happen.

This is exactly what I mean when I say that the establishment media are not the free press of the Founding Fathers, but an un-elected and unaccountable shadow government.

181 SasquatchOnSteroids  Thu, Jul 30, 2009 11:52:18am

re: #177 Cato the Elder

They once did a study asking people to indicate the level of the water in a tipping glass. Went like this. A picture of a glass two-thirds full of water was tilted this way and that. The respondents were told to use a stick to indicate which way the surface of the water would point in reality for any given angle of tilt.

Half the people thought it would stay even with the walls of the glass no matter which way you turned it.

Which would mean, if you tipped it upside-down, the water would stay in the glass.

ROFLMAO.

182 LGoPs  Thu, Jul 30, 2009 11:52:42am
“I personally encourage the president to establish a White House commission on public media,” the legendary newsman said.

Such a commission on media reform, Rather said, ought to make recommendations on saving journalism jobs and creating new business models to keep news organizations alive. At stake, he argued, is the very survival of American democracy.
“A truly free and independent press is the red beating heart of democracy and freedom,” Rather said in an interview yesterday afternoon.

I agree with the Danster on that part because our system is dependent on the press providing citizens the information they need to make informed decisions. He must've learned this in school...unfortunately I think he must have gone to the fucking bathroom when they taught the rest of the formula, which is that it only works with a free press, not a government controlled one...
Sheesh

183 Aye Pod  Thu, Jul 30, 2009 11:52:54am

re: #171 Jimmah

Especially that 'room 101' scene - classic farce.

184 Cato the Elder  Thu, Jul 30, 2009 11:53:27am

re: #49 Cato the Elder

Let me try again:

"I know, let's put on a show! Why, Dan here can paint the sets, and Mary can make the costumes. And...and...we can sell tickets on this new Internet thing they're talking about. We can do it! We can save the high-school paper!"

Forgot to add: I'm channeling Mickey Rooney, not Andy...

185 mrkwong  Thu, Jul 30, 2009 11:53:37am

"A truly free and independent press is the red beating heart of democracy and freedom"

Dan, keep up the irony, but you can cut down on the starch a bit.

186 calcajun  Thu, Jul 30, 2009 11:53:54am

re: #180 Shiplord Kirel

That's not exactly true. The press has always been about shaping and influencing public opinion-- all the way back to Paine's "Common Sense" which was run in papers and sold as a pamphlet.

187 Russkilitlover  Thu, Jul 30, 2009 11:54:08am

re: #51 DaddyG

Oh Danny boy, the network types are falling
From rags to rags, a downward market slide
Old Walters gone, and network powers are dying
'Tis you, 'tis you must go your face to hide.
But come ye back when hell feels cool and mellow
Or when the devils playing in the snow
'Cause I'll be here with fake TANG memo throbbing
Oh Danny boy, oh Danny boy, you too must go.

And if you come, when all the networks dying
And they are dead, as dead I they can be
You'll come and find the treasury is piling
up stacks of stimulus for buggy whips and thee.

Well done!

188 ladycatnip  Thu, Jul 30, 2009 11:55:40am

Obama stimulus money going to fund porn.

Now we know why he called it a stimulus package.

189 wrenchwench  Thu, Jul 30, 2009 11:56:04am

Yes!

IT THROBS!

190 BlueCanuck  Thu, Jul 30, 2009 11:56:49am

re: #188 ladycatnip

re: #189 wrenchwench

Ah the positioning of those two posts is perfect. :D

191 Killgore Trout  Thu, Jul 30, 2009 11:56:51am

Why you shouldn't get financial news from right wing blogs...
UH OH: Weak Treasury Auctions Raise Worries About US Debt Burden.

Meanwhile...
U.S. Stocks Rally, S&P 500 Nears Nine-Month High, on Earnings

U.S. stocks rose and the Standard & Poor’s 500 Index approached a nine-month high as companies from Motorola Inc. to MasterCard Inc. posted better-than-estimated results and jobless claims held below June levels. Treasuries erased losses on a better-than-forecast auction of 7-year notes.

192 jcm  Thu, Jul 30, 2009 11:56:57am

re: #177 Cato the Elder

They once did a study asking people to indicate the level of the water in a tipping glass. Went like this. A picture of a glass two-thirds full of water was tilted this way and that. The respondents were told to use a stick to indicate which way the surface of the water would point in reality for any given angle of tilt.

Half the people thought it would stay even with the walls of the glass no matter which way you turned it.

Which would mean, if you tipped it upside-down, the water would stay in the glass.

This will blow their minds...

[Link: docs.google.com...]

193 Noam Chumpski  Thu, Jul 30, 2009 11:57:00am

It's funny that you mention him tearing up - Rather cries a lot. Just saying.

194 lawhawk  Thu, Jul 30, 2009 11:57:15am

re: #111 eschew_obfuscation

It also goes to portability. Some states don't want to accept insurance plans that were approved elsewhere because they're not nearly as comprehensive (and therefore not nearly as expensive).

Instead of opening up more competition that would drive down prices and let more people get health insurance, this is a limiting factor.

195 Gus  Thu, Jul 30, 2009 11:57:48am

Oh look! Mo' money.

Total net assets for "The Aspen Institute" alone was $160,589,414 in 2007. Plus my BS radar went off: they call themselves non-partisan. Right.

Yeah, they're not Dan Rather but still. It's another example of alarmist limousine liberals attempting to further entrench a state run society.

196 Mad Al-Jaffee  Thu, Jul 30, 2009 11:57:52am

re: #189 wrenchwench

Yes!

IT THROBS!

That's what she said

(too easy)

197 jcm  Thu, Jul 30, 2009 11:57:57am

re: #192 jcm

This will blow their minds...

[Link: docs.google.com...]

Opps wrong link... bad thumbs, bad, bad.

198 ArchangelMichael  Thu, Jul 30, 2009 11:58:15am

re: #191 Killgore Trout

Why you shouldn't get financial news from right wing blogs...
UH OH: Weak Treasury Auctions Raise Worries About US Debt Burden.

Meanwhile...
U.S. Stocks Rally, S&P 500 Nears Nine-Month High, on Earnings

You do realize that the market rallying for no reason at all is not a good thing... right?

199 ladycatnip  Thu, Jul 30, 2009 11:58:40am

#190 BlueCanuck

Ah the positioning of those two posts is perfect. :D

A post about leg tingling would have been the icing.

200 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Thu, Jul 30, 2009 11:58:43am

Just got back from the dentist--new filling.

The nirther channel comes in much clearer now.

201 SasquatchOnSteroids  Thu, Jul 30, 2009 11:58:52am

re: #188 ladycatnip

Obama stimulus money going to fund porn.

Now we know why he called it a stimulus package.

But some of the NEA's grants are spicing up more than the economy. A few of their more risque choices have some taxpayer advocates hot under the collar, including a $50,000 infusion for the Frameline film house, which recently screened Thundercrack, "the world's only underground kinky art porno horror film, complete with four men, three women and a gorilla."

Under things you do NOT want to be .

Guy #4.

202 Targetpractice  Thu, Jul 30, 2009 11:59:46am

re: #188 ladycatnip

Obama stimulus money going to fund porn.

Now we know why he called it a stimulus package.

Honestly, who's really surprised? It's been no secret for years that much of the money from the Endowment of the Arts goes to a lot of pointless BS. Piss Christ, anyone?

203 Buster  Thu, Jul 30, 2009 11:59:57am

re: #97 Cato the Elder

By the way, in case no one else has nominated it, my hot tip for tonight's brew to be served at the Oval Office Beer Bash is Collaboration not Litigation.

Can't we all just get along?

I'm thinking Black n Tan. They can pour the traditional Guinness and Harp to celebrate the common Irish ancestry of both Gates and (I assume) Crowley. The alternative would be to use American micro brews like Rogue Shakespeare Stout and Sweetwater 420.

204 JHW  Thu, Jul 30, 2009 12:00:04pm

re: #177 Cato the Elder

I saw you liked the Penn and Teller videos. Here's a good one, they get people to sign a petition to ban water.
Ban the Stuff

205 Russkilitlover  Thu, Jul 30, 2009 12:00:18pm

re: #191 Killgore Trout

Why you shouldn't get financial news from right wing blogs...
UH OH: Weak Treasury Auctions Raise Worries About US Debt Burden.

Meanwhile...
U.S. Stocks Rally, S&P 500 Nears Nine-Month High, on Earnings

I saw both of those stories - the first one, which you attribute to a "right wing blog" was on MSN.

Take a look at economic news on all the outlets, every day it's conflicting data and stories. Apropos this thread, many in the media and their "experts" are opining on the economy, no one really has a clue.

WSJ best source for such data.

206 opnion  Thu, Jul 30, 2009 12:00:25pm

re: #193 Noam Chumpski

It's funny that you mention him tearing up - Rather cries a lot. Just saying.

He does seem to. I recall Rather alleging years ago that he was kidnapped by a Chicago cab driver. Nobody believed him.

207 lawhawk  Thu, Jul 30, 2009 12:00:27pm

re: #191 Killgore Trout

One is a long range outlook, while short term doesn't jibe. Funny, but even Obama is downplaying the fact that the recession is over (via Newsweek, which Obama slammed for its cover saying that the recession is over).

For every data point that you say shows that the economy is perking up, I could find one that shows things are getting worse - or not improving.

The single biggest factor showing that the economic outlook is poor - the booming and looming federal deficit. At some point, those who extended credit to the US will come a calling, and that will mean inflation is a distinct possibility.

208 doppelganglander  Thu, Jul 30, 2009 12:00:30pm

re: #159 MrSilverDragon

I we all know those people. My example was with an orange and a flashlight. They couldn't understand why it would be daytime in London when it was nighttime in Los Angeles. Scary.

I say let natural selection take over. Remove all warning labels and let nature take its course. /only slightly on that.

Yesterday I was picking up medication for my dog. I was told I'd get a seven day supply. Indeed, the bottle contained 7 pills, but the dosage was one-half a pill each day. I told the assistant how delighted I was to get a two week supply. She just stared at me blankly and said, "No, there's 7 pills, it says so right on the label." I said, "Well, it's 7 pills, but at half a pill each day, it's 14 doses, so it's a two week supply." She honestly had no idea what I was talking about.

209 Oh no...Sand People!  Thu, Jul 30, 2009 12:00:53pm

re: #202 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Honestly, who's really surprised? It's been no secret for years that much of the money from the Endowment of the Arts goes to a lot of pointless BS. Piss Christ, anyone?

Any artist who has the balls to push out the 'Piss Koran'...then I'll take notice...

210 Killgore Trout  Thu, Jul 30, 2009 12:01:00pm

re: #198 ArchangelMichael

Stock prices are not rallying for no reason. The auction went well, companies are reporting good earnings and jobless rates are falling.

211 vxbush  Thu, Jul 30, 2009 12:01:20pm

re: #197 jcm

Very cool.

212 Dianna  Thu, Jul 30, 2009 12:01:21pm

re: #191 Killgore Trout

Aren't both information?

It's true that the Treasury auction was worrisome. It's also true that the markets were up on earnings.

If you read only one of those articles, I guess you might be mis-informed. But - if you're one of those people for whom the financial pages are a deep fascination, anyway - surely one reads both?

213 lawhawk  Thu, Jul 30, 2009 12:01:46pm

re: #201 SasquatchOnSteroids

The janitor.

214 Shiplord Kirel  Thu, Jul 30, 2009 12:01:52pm

re: #186 calcajun

That's not exactly true. The press has always been about shaping and influencing public opinion-- all the way back to Paine's "Common Sense" which was run in papers and sold as a pamphlet.

The last thing I am saying is that bias is anything new. The whole idea of an objective, neutral press would have been quite alien to the Founding Fathers. It is an impossibility, in fact; but the pretense of neutrality, originated by wire services in the 19th century, led to unlimited authority and power and to the abuse of that power. Where the current media differ from the traditional free press is in the attempt to conceal their agenda. This sub rosa exercise of influence is what empowers them, since their various styles of influence will not work if the purpose is stated openly.

215 Crimsonfisted  Thu, Jul 30, 2009 12:02:39pm

Whoppee!! I love to see The Frequency Kenny's Animated Gif!

216 Charles Johnson  Thu, Jul 30, 2009 12:02:40pm

Andrew McCarthy comes out as a Nirther at National Review today. Sigh.

217 Oh no...Sand People!  Thu, Jul 30, 2009 12:03:02pm

re: #210 Killgore Trout

Stock prices are not rallying for no reason. The auction went well, companies are reporting good earnings and jobless rates are falling.

New Jobless Claims Rise More Than Expected to 584,000

...alrighty then...

218 vxbush  Thu, Jul 30, 2009 12:03:18pm

re: #208 doppelganglander

Yesterday I was picking up medication for my dog. I was told I'd get a seven day supply. Indeed, the bottle contained 7 pills, but the dosage was one-half a pill each day. I told the assistant how delighted I was to get a two week supply. She just stared at me blankly and said, "No, there's 7 pills, it says so right on the label." I said, "Well, it's 7 pills, but at half a pill each day, it's 14 doses, so it's a two week supply." She honestly had no idea what I was talking about.

GAH!!! Basic math knowledge is dead, and it just pains me every time I see it.

219 Shiplord Kirel  Thu, Jul 30, 2009 12:03:28pm

re: #216 Charles

Andrew McCarthy comes out as a Nirther at National Review today. Sigh.

Jumping aboard a sinking ship. Good bye, Andrew.

220 MrSilverDragon  Thu, Jul 30, 2009 12:04:05pm

re: #216 Charles

Andrew McCarthy comes out as a Nirther at National Review today. Sigh.

But, but, but... what if they're right?!?!

///

(please don't smack me with the stick. i'll be good, honest!)

221 opnion  Thu, Jul 30, 2009 12:04:06pm

re: #203 Buster

I'm thinking Black n Tan. They can pour the traditional Guinness and Harp to celebrate the common Irish ancestry of both Gates and (I assume) Crowley. The alternative would be to use American micro brews like Rogue Shakespeare Stout and Sweetwater 420.

Obama claims Irish blood as well, you know Paddy O'bama.
They should drink Black & Tans & listen to Irish Rebel tunes.
These guys could make it a regular thing.
Next time that could go to Boston, get liquored up & turn on the Siren in a CPD car.

222 Aye Pod  Thu, Jul 30, 2009 12:04:16pm

re: #210 Killgore Trout

Stock prices are not rallying for no reason. The auction went well, companies are reporting good earnings and jobless rates are falling.

KT, why do you have to be such a downer? ;-)

223 DaddyG  Thu, Jul 30, 2009 12:04:17pm

re: #150 Jimmah

I wonder if Rather's plans would result in the journalistic equivalent of the EU's butter mountains?

Pretty soon we will all be singing about the big rock candy mountain.

224 Idle Drifter  Thu, Jul 30, 2009 12:04:43pm

re: #197 jcm

Opps wrong link... bad thumbs, bad, bad.



Badass, nuff said.

225 nikis-knight  Thu, Jul 30, 2009 12:04:44pm

On the subject of stupid people, my friends were talking about Borat, or maybe a sketch that comedian did, going to a school and rallying support for ending womans sufferage.
One poor girls friends were quite confused why she would mind them opposing the suffering of women.

226 Oh no...Sand People!  Thu, Jul 30, 2009 12:04:54pm

re: #219 Shiplord Kirel

Jumping aboard a sinking ship. Good bye, Andrew.

ALL ABOARD!!

227 Dianna  Thu, Jul 30, 2009 12:04:57pm

re: #210 Killgore Trout

Do you read the Wall Street Journal? Because their business and financial sections have severe doubts.

228 KenJen  Thu, Jul 30, 2009 12:05:02pm

re: #216 Charles

Andrew McCarthy comes out as a Nirther at National Review today. Sigh.

Someone needs to come up with a vaccine quickly. This thing is spreading at an alarming rate.

229 MandyManners  Thu, Jul 30, 2009 12:05:02pm

800 MandyManners
7/30/2009 7:33:55 am PDT 1downupfavoritereport

re: #715 VioletTiger

I want to try making pickles this summer. How do you make yours?

This is not a pickle recipe. It's a recipe for bread-and-butter pickle relish. I slice about 30 cukes and dice eight large onions and bell peppers. I mix them with 1/2 cup of salt, cover it all in ice then stick it in the fridge over night. The next day, I drain it all and then boil five cups of vinegar, five cups of sugar, one tsp. of tumeric, 1/2 tsp. of cloves, 1 Tbs. celery seed, one Tbs. ginger and two Tbs. mustard seed. Then, I add the veggies and heat it through without boiling. Then, I put it into sterilized jars.

It's awesome with peas.

TWO LARGE BELL PEPPERS. TWO. NOT EIGHT. TWO.

BBL

230 ArchangelMichael  Thu, Jul 30, 2009 12:05:03pm

re: #210 Killgore Trout

Stock prices are not rallying for no reason. The auction went well, companies are reporting good earnings and jobless rates are falling.

They have been rallying for 2 weeks for no reason and on ridiculously low volume. That's usually the big money players doing "bag-holder recruitment."

231 Russkilitlover  Thu, Jul 30, 2009 12:05:04pm

re: #210 Killgore Trout

Stock prices are not rallying for no reason. The auction went well, companies are reporting good earnings and jobless rates are falling.

KT rides his unicorn under the rainbow skies through the lollipop forest.

232 quickjustice  Thu, Jul 30, 2009 12:05:06pm

re: #165 calcajun

Good Humor ice cream? Where do you live?

233 Killgore Trout  Thu, Jul 30, 2009 12:05:07pm

re: #205 Russkilitlover

Agreed, a google search on Treasury Auction yields a variety of headlines. I've been noticing for quite a while that you can't find good financial news on right wing blogs. They'll only link to articles about how bad things are.
Challenge: find an positive article about the economy on a right wing blog today. The Dow is up, somebody out there has got to be covering it.

234 CyanSnowHawk  Thu, Jul 30, 2009 12:05:19pm

re: #204 JHW

I saw you liked the Penn and Teller videos. Here's a good one, they get people to sign a petition to ban water.
Ban the Stuff

The old dihydrogen monoxide gag.

Dangerous stuff dihydrogen monoxide.
In the right dose, it's a deadly poison.
It's an almost universal solvent.
It's in almost everything in our environment.

235 Crimsonfisted  Thu, Jul 30, 2009 12:05:20pm

Call me stupid, but I always thought that the "freedom of the press" was a right reserved for We, The People, and not applied to a select group filled with Courics and the like.

Blogs are the exercise of that guaranteed INDIVIDUAL right.

But that's just me.

236 Dianna  Thu, Jul 30, 2009 12:05:29pm

re: #216 Charles

Andrew McCarthy comes out as a Nirther at National Review today. Sigh.

What?! Nooo!

237 doppelganglander  Thu, Jul 30, 2009 12:05:37pm

re: #218 vxbush

GAH!!! Basic math knowledge is dead, and it just pains me every time I see it.

Even I can do simple arithmetic. This girl was frightening. She was probably no more than a year or two out of high school, where she clearly learned nothing. I hope she sticks to working with animals.

238 MandyManners  Thu, Jul 30, 2009 12:06:02pm

re: #229 MandyManners

If someone sees VioletTiger, would you please direct her to this post? Thanks in advance1

239 experiencedtraveller  Thu, Jul 30, 2009 12:06:21pm

re: #205 Russkilitlover

WSJ best source for such data.

And Bloomberg...

240 Eowyn2  Thu, Jul 30, 2009 12:06:25pm

Corporate and political influence on newsrooms, along with the conflation of news and entertainment, has created what Rather called “the dumbing down and sleazing up of what we see on the news.”

Interesting that Dan never noticed the dumbing down and sleazing up of the news until he went too far.

Perhaps he doesn't understand that 'government control' and 'freedom of the press' are not synonymous

241 Oh no...Sand People!  Thu, Jul 30, 2009 12:06:29pm

re: #228 KenJen

Someone needs to come up with a vaccine quickly. This thing is spreading at an alarming rate.

H1N1.. does the 'N' stand for Nirth?

242 quickjustice  Thu, Jul 30, 2009 12:06:32pm

re: #179 Silvergirl

He invented New Journalism. I think he's quite good.

243 Targetpractice  Thu, Jul 30, 2009 12:06:43pm

re: #209 Oh no...Sand People!

Any artist who has the balls to push out the 'Piss Koran'...then I'll take notice...

The Endowment would never pay for it. And whoever did it would quickly join Rushdie on the short list of people with fatwas on their heads.

244 Killgore Trout  Thu, Jul 30, 2009 12:06:47pm

re: #207 lawhawk

and that will mean inflation is a distinct possibility.


Agreed. We should be happy when inflation starts to kick in again. That's what will happen when the economy recovers.

245 Dad O' Blondes  Thu, Jul 30, 2009 12:06:50pm

Save the media?

But Dan, the media has already been saved. By the blogosphere.

You know, the one's who caught your phony document story, and righted a historic wrong. Just in time for a Presidential election.

.

246 apachegunner  Thu, Jul 30, 2009 12:07:06pm

re: #159 MrSilverDragon
many, many people are too stupid to live, most of them voted for nobama

247 jvic  Thu, Jul 30, 2009 12:07:10pm

Dan's intentions are good but his proposal is limited.

In the interest of global harmony, the world's media should be overseen by the United Nations. Robert Fisk is a strong candidate for the first UN Media Administrator. Rather can run the US office. George Galloway can handle Europe.

Interested, Aspen Institute? I am available to share my vision for say $50K plus expenses.

248 Dianna  Thu, Jul 30, 2009 12:07:16pm

re: #215 Crimsonfisted

Please, that's not funny. The guy who assaulted Rather killed someone later.

Rather's an ass, but that particular incident? Not funny.

249 mrkwong  Thu, Jul 30, 2009 12:07:34pm

re: #160 JohnnyReb

The problem stems from the 1960s and Cronkite was a big part of making it happen with his Vietnam is lost speech.

Nah.

Same thing happened then that happened under Bush 43.

Westmoreland, McNamara, Rostow et al ran around telling everyone "We're winning, we're winning, looky here, we've got all the metrics" and then the VC did something that the US brass had been saying for years was impossible. It was a military failure, but it finally brought to the surface Middle America's suspicion that the poobahs had been lying.

We had the same situation in Iraq - a fraction of the force necessary to control the place, leadership more concerned with avoiding casualties than getting the job done, trying to sell people on cherry-picked bits of progress while things go to hell off-screen. Bush gets a few points for finally clearing out Rumsfeld and bringing in new brass, but a man more confident in his leadership and expertise would have done it three years earlier. And someone who understood use of military force would NEVER have agreed to go in with 150K troopers in the first place.

250 NelsFree  Thu, Jul 30, 2009 12:07:40pm

"A truly free and independent press is the red beating heart of democracy and freedom..."

The dull brown palpitating heart of the State-run, Mainstream Media needs to be ripped out and stomped upon.
/My apologies for ending a sentence on a preposition
//I am NOT advocating violence, violas, or any stringed instruments of any sort

251 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Jul 30, 2009 12:07:57pm

re: #133 Shiplord Kirel

Fredo in Godfather II

Never saw it. Was Cathypop suggestion that Rather be...

252 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Thu, Jul 30, 2009 12:08:06pm

To state what should be clearly obvious: The government should not have anything to do with the press, beyond reporting what must be reported and giving reporters reasonable access to what is not classified.

We dance to the tune of the one who pays the piper.

253 Rancher  Thu, Jul 30, 2009 12:08:14pm

Wouldn't that be the nail in our Obama coffin, government control of the MSM? At least right now it's voluntary.

254 Targetpractice  Thu, Jul 30, 2009 12:08:29pm

re: #233 Killgore Trout

Agreed, a google search on Treasury Auction yields a variety of headlines. I've been noticing for quite a while that you can't find good financial news on right wing blogs. They'll only link to articles about how bad things are.
Challenge: find an positive article about the economy on a right wing blog today. The Dow is up, somebody out there has got to be covering it.

As opposed to the last eight years, where the only economic news you found on Left wing blogs was "Country in a recession, maybe even a depression!!!1111"? I'm not talking within the last year, I'm talking from the moment the man walked into the White House til the day he left it.

255 Eowyn2  Thu, Jul 30, 2009 12:08:32pm

re: #191 Killgore Trout

Why you shouldn't get financial news from right wing blogs...
UH OH: Weak Treasury Auctions Raise Worries About US Debt Burden.

Meanwhile...
U.S. Stocks Rally, S&P 500 Nears Nine-Month High, on Earnings

I'm thinking that earnings are up because expenses have been slashed which includes employee salaries.

256 Oh no...Sand People!  Thu, Jul 30, 2009 12:08:36pm

re: #243 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

The Endowment would never pay for it. And whoever did it would quickly join Rushdie on the short list of people with fatwas on their heads.

Exactly. Anything that would stir REAL controversy...they ignore and pretend it doesn't exist... gutless wonders...

257 DaddyG  Thu, Jul 30, 2009 12:08:39pm

re: #225 nikis-knight

On the subject of stupid people, my friends were talking about Borat, or maybe a sketch that comedian did, going to a school and rallying support for ending womans sufferage.
One poor girls friends were quite confused why she would mind them opposing the suffering of women.


The Man Show did a great skit with an "End Womens Sufferage" protest and petition. I've looked for it on U tube but only found imitators.

258 vxbush  Thu, Jul 30, 2009 12:09:12pm

re: #237 doppelganglander

Even I can do simple arithmetic. This girl was frightening. She was probably no more than a year or two out of high school, where she clearly learned nothing. I hope she sticks to working with animals.

She probably listened to Barbie say "Math is hard," and believed her.

259 Dad O' Blondes  Thu, Jul 30, 2009 12:09:14pm

re: #221 opnion

Obama claims Irish blood as well, you know Paddy O'bama.
They should drink Black & Tans & listen to Irish Rebel tunes.
These guys could make it a regular thing.
Next time that could go to Boston, get liquored up & turn on the Siren in a CPD car.


Hey, knock that off --

You're racially profiling and stereotyping Irish people, just like O'Bama did when he invited Crowley over for a "beer" --

(duck).

260 Russkilitlover  Thu, Jul 30, 2009 12:09:24pm

re: #233 Killgore Trout

I've been noticing for quite a while that you can't find good financial news on right wing blogs.

That's because "right wing" also includes many "conservatives," especially fiscal ones who are in deep concern about O's policies, the crushing debt, the coming inflation, and the massive MIDDLE CLASS taxes needed to pay for it all.

261 Crimsonfisted  Thu, Jul 30, 2009 12:09:32pm

re: #248 Dianna

Please, that's not funny. The guy who assaulted Rather killed someone later.

Rather's an ass, but that particular incident? Not funny.


I did NOT know that! Wow! Thanks for the update!

262 Mad Al-Jaffee  Thu, Jul 30, 2009 12:09:40pm

re: #221 opnion

Obama claims Irish blood as well, you know Paddy O'bama.
They should drink Black & Tans & listen to Irish Rebel tunes.
These guys could make it a regular thing.
Next time that could go to Boston, get liquored up & turn on the Siren in a CPD car.

I can see them piss drunk*, singing along to The Pogues' "Body of an American," like in The Wire.

*0 after two and a half Bud Lites and a Zima.

263 Cygnus  Thu, Jul 30, 2009 12:09:41pm

re: #202 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Honestly, who's really surprised? It's been no secret for years that much of the money from the Endowment of the Arts goes to a lot of pointless BS. Piss Christ, anyone?

Or Elephant Dung Virgin Mary? Disgusting.

264 Dianna  Thu, Jul 30, 2009 12:10:02pm

re: #233 Killgore Trout

Ruski pointed out that the article you linked was from (gulp!) MSN.

When did they become right wing?

265 lawhawk  Thu, Jul 30, 2009 12:10:33pm

re: #244 Killgore Trout

I don't think it means what you think it means.

Some inflation is good. The inflation I'm worried about isn't the kind that you think is good. I'm concerned that with all the paper printed by the Treasury, it's going to result in devaluing the dollar even more than it already is.

266 opnion  Thu, Jul 30, 2009 12:10:35pm

re: #244 Killgore Trout

Agreed. We should be happy when inflation starts to kick in again. That's what will happen when the economy recovers.

KT, if we get hyper-inflation , it won't be pretty.
The thirties in Germany come to mind.

267 Yashmak  Thu, Jul 30, 2009 12:10:35pm

re: #188 ladycatnip

Obama stimulus money going to fund porn.

Now we know why he called it a stimulus package.

If that's really about a grand total of some $100k, out of the over a billion S.F. receives in federal money every year, one could really spin it as an example of government efficiency. I mean, the total being mentioned in the article is but a small fraction of a penny per taxpayer.

I suspect the amount of money being spent on nonsense is far higher.

268 Aye Pod  Thu, Jul 30, 2009 12:11:24pm

From the UK: Homes 'may rise in value in 2009'

[Link: news.bbc.co.uk...]

The Nationwide's latest house price survey showed prices rose by 1.3% in July compared with the previous month.

The average UK home costs £158,871, with the annual rate of property value falls slowing sharply to 6.2%, it said.

The three-month on three-month comparison of property prices - considered a less volatile measure than the monthly data - rose from 1% in June to 2.6% in July.

This was the highest level seen since February 2007, when the housing market was booming.

269 FrogMarch  Thu, Jul 30, 2009 12:11:27pm

re: #10 Charles

He might be angling for the czar slot.

*shudder*

270 Dianna  Thu, Jul 30, 2009 12:11:36pm

re: #244 Killgore Trout

Agreed. We should be happy when inflation starts to kick in again. That's what will happen when the economy recovers.

Gah! No!

Inflation kills! I hate inflation! It only benefits the irresponsible who don't save!

271 DaddyG  Thu, Jul 30, 2009 12:11:38pm

re: #255 Eowyn2

I'm thinking that earnings are up because expenses have been slashed which includes employee salaries.


"Employees are our most valuable asset. We can fire them at any time and make our profit margin rise. It's like printing money." - Dilberts pointy haired boss.

272 Mad Al-Jaffee  Thu, Jul 30, 2009 12:11:59pm

re: #234 CyanSnowHawk

The old dihydrogen monoxide gag.

Dangerous stuff dihydrogen monoxide.
In the right dose, it's a deadly poison.
It's an almost universal solvent.
It's in almost everything in our environment.

I'm addicted to it!

273 opnion  Thu, Jul 30, 2009 12:12:03pm

re: #259 Dad O' Blondes

Hey, knock that off --

You're racially profiling and stereotyping Irish people, just like O'Bama did when he invited Crowley over for a "beer" --

(duck).

I can do it, I'm Irish. I"m juist pissed that I'm not invited for the kegger party.

274 KansasMom  Thu, Jul 30, 2009 12:12:20pm

re: #257 DaddyG

The Man Show did a great skit with an "End Womens Sufferage" protest and petition. I've looked for it on U tube but only found imitators.

THAT was a classic.
Does it make me less of a woman that The Man Show was one of my favorites? Don't answer that!

275 Yashmak  Thu, Jul 30, 2009 12:12:32pm

re: #257 DaddyG

The Man Show did a great skit with an "End Womens Sufferage" protest and petition. I've looked for it on U tube but only found imitators.

I remember that. It tricked me into watching the show for a couple of episodes, but turned out to be about the only funny thing they ever did.

276 Dianna  Thu, Jul 30, 2009 12:12:38pm

re: #239 experiencedtraveller

And Bloomberg...

KT would regard Bloomberg as right wing, I think.

277 MrSilverDragon  Thu, Jul 30, 2009 12:12:57pm

re: #246 apachegunner

many, many people are too stupid to live, most of them voted for nobama

Smart people can still make stupid choices. As long as they learn from the mistakes...

278 Russkilitlover  Thu, Jul 30, 2009 12:13:29pm

Killgore Troutt - Inflation. Is. No. Good. Not for anyone in any economic strata. It's an economy killer.

279 Jewels (AKA Julian)  Thu, Jul 30, 2009 12:13:36pm

Gunga Dan really needs to wake up and smell the SoyKaf. CBS will never admit they were wrong in court of law (not that they need to. He was such a tool and his antipathy towards the Bush Family is well known, that his credibility is shot in the news business.

and no one is going to listen to some old news queen anymore whose been shown to be a party apparatchik

Go away Dan. Take the money you have and while away your life. Yer done

280 DaddyG  Thu, Jul 30, 2009 12:13:51pm

re: #266 opnion

KT, if we get hyper-inflation , it won't be pretty.
The thirties in Germany come to mind.

...but the public works projects resulted in a world class highway system. /

281 Eowyn2  Thu, Jul 30, 2009 12:14:01pm

re: #237 doppelganglander

Even I can do simple arithmetic. This girl was frightening. She was probably no more than a year or two out of high school, where she clearly learned nothing. I hope she sticks to working with animals.

Had one like that myself one day. Arbys.
Cash register went on the fritz.
Gave her 11.00 for a 5.49 meal. she gave me back 5 dollar bills and 51 cents.

Went to Shopko one night before Christmas some years ago.
Cashier "did you find everything you was looking for.

Me "No, I was looking for a husband but when I checked your Men's department I didn't see anything I liked"

Cashier: "You couldn't find him in the men's department"

Me "There were no good men in the men's department"

Cashier "Sorry?"

Me "I said I was looking for a husband but your men's department doesn't have any good ones"

Cashier "What's his name and I will page him for you"

/If I have to explain this to anyone on the board, we're sending you to Dan Rather's 'Smartening Up' classes.

282 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Jul 30, 2009 12:14:17pm

re: #276 Dianna

KT would regard Bloomberg as right wing, I think.

I'm getting a bit confused here. Is the term "right wing" being used to tag the crazy conservatives or just conservatives?

283 quickjustice  Thu, Jul 30, 2009 12:14:25pm

re: #216 Charles

I think the Nirthers have it backwards. Obama was born in Hawaii. I speculate that Obama nonetheless applied for scholarships, etc., falsely claiming he was foreign-born. I surmise that the eventual scandal will emerge from Obama's falsifications. It's reminiscent of Clinton, who wasn't really born in Hope, and who fabricated at every turn.

284 Aye Pod  Thu, Jul 30, 2009 12:14:51pm

New species of avian skinhead discovered:

[Link: news.bbc.co.uk...]

285 nikis-knight  Thu, Jul 30, 2009 12:14:53pm

re: #271 DaddyG

"Employees are our most valuable asset. We can fire them at any time and make our profit margin rise. It's like printing money." - Dilberts pointy haired boss.

Hitting close to home for me this months, though I was spared.

286 NelsFree  Thu, Jul 30, 2009 12:14:56pm

I'm unable to ding up or down. BBL.

287 Shiplord Kirel  Thu, Jul 30, 2009 12:14:56pm

It is not bias per se that is the problem, it is the increasingly ludicrous pretense of being unbiased.

Keep in mind that Rather's sleazy doc ploy was based on a fundamental deception: The pretense that he was an objective, neutral observer reporting vital news to the people. If a known and acknowledged Democratic party operative had produced the same documents, the chance of it actually throwing the election would have been zero. With Rather's implicit claim of objectivity to give it credibility, it almost changed history.

Back in the 70s and 80s, I would amuse myself by tracking how anti-US-military propaganda would migrate from Red Star(an official Soviet publication) to the Daily Worker to various talking heads on CBS and the other alphabet networks. Striking examples that I remember include a claim that the proposed space station (today's ISS) was actually intended as a command and control center for "Star Wars" and a series of articles about massive environmental damage and sunken fishing boats being attributable to US submarine activity.
Coming from Red Star, these would be laughed at by the American public. Coming from CBS, they were something else altogether.

288 lawhawk  Thu, Jul 30, 2009 12:15:01pm

re: #216 Charles

Frak! What the heck have the conservatives been drinking? Heck, NRO just posted on the nirther nonsense this week slamming the nirtherism. Sad.

He was one of the guys who understood the threat posed by the jihadis and the ensuing lawfare.

I wish more would straighten up and fly right. The nirthers are undermining chances for success in 2010 and beyond.

289 avanti  Thu, Jul 30, 2009 12:15:01pm

Leave it to one really racist cop to muddy the waters on the real issues in Gatesgate.

Jungle Monkey.

290 Oh no...Sand People!  Thu, Jul 30, 2009 12:15:07pm

re: #266 opnion

KT, if we get hyper-inflation , it won't be pretty.
The thirties in Germany come to mind.

Sing it with me!

Mugabe, *go* *go*, Mugabe!
Robert, *go* *go*, Mugabe!

291 calcajun  Thu, Jul 30, 2009 12:15:13pm

re: #214 Shiplord Kirel

What they wanted was a press free from censorship and government control. They knew full well the reach and influence of the printed word and could have easily foreseen how progress would only compound it. Likewise, there had always been papers with particular points of view. You knew exactly where the paper stood because of its publisher's particular bent. Thsi carried over into the broadcast word and the TV images. Again, bias is nothing new.

What is new is that the myth of "impartiality". The media has tried to sell that one for years and no one is really buying it anymore. It was refreshing--though not surprising--when NBC endorsed BHO last fall. The network no longer makes a pretense of where it stands.

ahh-- the salt mines call.

292 DaddyG  Thu, Jul 30, 2009 12:15:17pm

re: #275 Yashmak

I remember that. It tricked me into watching the show for a couple of episodes, but turned out to be about the only funny thing they ever did.


They had their moments but you are right about the overall lack of them.

293 doppelganglander  Thu, Jul 30, 2009 12:15:33pm

re: #258 vxbush

She probably listened to Barbie say "Math is hard," and believed her.

To be honest, math is hard for some of us. I fell behind around second grade. Somehow, I was not placed in the correct math class and I arrived in 5th grade a few years later with no idea that such a thing as multiplication existed. I was given a times table and told to get with the program. Because I excelled in other areas, no one thought I needed any more help than that. I eventually figured it out, but it poisoned my experience with math for years. It was never easy or intuitive for me and I avoided it as much as possible. One of the happiest days of my life was when the adviser at the college I graduated from said my transfer credit in statistics was enough to fulfill my graduation requirement. No more math!

294 Eowyn2  Thu, Jul 30, 2009 12:16:22pm

re: #250 NelsFree

"A truly free and independent press is the red beating heart of democracy and freedom..."

The dull brown palpitating heart of the State-run, Mainstream Media needs to be ripped out and stomped upon.
/My apologies for ending a sentence on a preposition
//I am NOT advocating violence, violas, or any stringed instruments of any sort


how do you feel about woodwinds?

295 ArchangelMichael  Thu, Jul 30, 2009 12:17:39pm

re: #270 Dianna

Gah! No!

Inflation kills! I hate inflation! It only benefits the irresponsible who don't save!

Inflation being created with economic growth is ok as long as it does not get out of control. The Fed needs to raise interest rates when this happens. If they keep the rates in cartoonish multiple decimal point near zero land, we are in deep shit. If inflation starts rolling in with no growth, we are in deeper shit.

I respect KT on many issues, but he did spend an entire afternoon arguing with us claiming that treasury bonds were not government debt, so I part company with him here.

296 Yashmak  Thu, Jul 30, 2009 12:17:44pm

re: #293 doppelganglander

To be honest, math is hard for some of us.

I'm a mechanical engineer, meaning I've completed through Differential Equations. Even so, I can vouch for this statement. Many of my peers had to re-take the upper level math courses more than once to get a passing grade.

297 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Jul 30, 2009 12:17:48pm

re: #289 avanti

Leave it to one really racist cop to muddy the waters on the real issues in Gatesgate.

Jungle Monkey.

Leave it to one Democratic politician to muddy the waters...

Carolyn Maloney Slams Kirsten Gillibrand, Uses N Word Quote To Illustrate Point

[Link: www.huffingtonpost.com...]

298 Killgore Trout  Thu, Jul 30, 2009 12:17:56pm

re: #266 opnion

KT, if we get hyper-inflation , it won't be pretty.


Agreed. However I strongly suspect that the predictions of hyper inflation are hyper bogus.

299 nikis-knight  Thu, Jul 30, 2009 12:17:59pm

re: #281 Eowyn2

Had one like that myself one day. Arbys.
Cash register went on the fritz.
Gave her 11.00 for a 5.49 meal. she gave me back 5 dollar bills and 51 cents.


At the risk of showing myself stupid, what's the problem? That she didn't give you a 5 bill?

300 JustABill  Thu, Jul 30, 2009 12:18:05pm

re: #237 doppelganglander

Even I can do simple arithmetic. This girl was frightening. She was probably no more than a year or two out of high school, where she clearly learned nothing. I hope she sticks to working with animals.

I used to work as a cashier at a grocery store. Its sad how far downhill cashiers have come in the last 20 or so years. I don't like to carry around a lot of change so I'll often add a couple coins to the bill(s) I am paying with to get in return an an even dollar amount or, just quarters in change. Heaven help me if I do this after the cashier has entered the bill I am paying with already. Usually confuses the hell out of them...

301 doppelganglander  Thu, Jul 30, 2009 12:18:15pm

re: #281 Eowyn2

I admit I did the math on the Arby's problem 3 times just to make sure I wasn't missing the joke.

302 hous bin pharteen  Thu, Jul 30, 2009 12:18:30pm

It depends who you are to make phony doctored pictures that are ok.

303 Kragar  Thu, Jul 30, 2009 12:18:37pm

re: #301 doppelganglander

I admit I did the math on the Arby's problem 3 times just to make sure I wasn't missing the joke.

Same here

304 Dianna  Thu, Jul 30, 2009 12:18:47pm

re: #282 Walter L. Newton

I'm getting a bit confused here. Is the term "right wing" being used to tag the crazy conservatives or just conservatives?

Lately, I don't know.

Bloomberg, to my mind, is a very cautious site when it comes to financial news, and I read it with attention. The rest? Well...ask someone else. KT's views are confusing me, lately.

305 Yashmak  Thu, Jul 30, 2009 12:19:07pm

re: #298 Killgore Trout

Agreed. However I strongly suspect that the predictions of hyper inflation are hyper bogus.

I imagine it depends on how much money the fed is printing into existence out of nothing. I have heard no real figures on the matter.

306 VioletTiger  Thu, Jul 30, 2009 12:19:16pm

re: #228 KenJen

Someone needs to come up with a vaccine quickly. This thing is spreading at an alarming rate.


It's an infestation. Squash one Nirther, and a dozen more crawl out from under the desk.

307 CyanSnowHawk  Thu, Jul 30, 2009 12:19:20pm

re: #281 Eowyn2

Had one like that myself one day. Arbys.
Cash register went on the fritz.
Gave her 11.00 for a 5.49 meal. she gave me back 5 dollar bills and 51 cents.

Went to Shopko one night before Christmas some years ago.
Cashier "did you find everything you was looking for.

Me "No, I was looking for a husband but when I checked your Men's department I didn't see anything I liked"

Cashier: "You couldn't find him in the men's department"

Me "There were no good men in the men's department"

Cashier "Sorry?"

Me "I said I was looking for a husband but your men's department doesn't have any good ones"

Cashier "What's his name and I will page him for you"

/If I have to explain this to anyone on the board, we're sending you to Dan Rather's 'Smartening Up' classes.

Send that to Scott Adams. A classic example of an in'duh'vidual.

308 Spider Mensch  Thu, Jul 30, 2009 12:19:33pm

Dan's wife must kick him out of the house every morning..can you imagine this dunder head around the house all day? she probably chases him out with a broom right after breakfast.

309 Randall Gross  Thu, Jul 30, 2009 12:19:43pm

McCarthy's article just from a skim seems intent on fermenting the "Obama's a sekret muslim" angle.

/ All aboard the Nirther train, don't have a ticket? Your Nirth Certifikit will do - Woo Woo ! Alll aboard the Bellvillebound train! Wooo Wooo...

310 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Jul 30, 2009 12:20:02pm

re: #299 nikis-knight

At the risk of showing myself stupid, what's the problem? That she didn't give you a 5 bill?

I'm glad you asked, because I'm confused too.

311 Yashmak  Thu, Jul 30, 2009 12:20:18pm

re: #310 Walter L. Newton

I'm glad you asked, because I'm confused too.

Me too.

312 vxbush  Thu, Jul 30, 2009 12:20:29pm

re: #293 doppelganglander

To be honest, math is hard for some of us. I fell behind around second grade. Somehow, I was not placed in the correct math class and I arrived in 5th grade a few years later with no idea that such a thing as multiplication existed. I was given a times table and told to get with the program. Because I excelled in other areas, no one thought I needed any more help than that. I eventually figured it out, but it poisoned my experience with math for years. It was never easy or intuitive for me and I avoided it as much as possible. One of the happiest days of my life was when the adviser at the college I graduated from said my transfer credit in statistics was enough to fulfill my graduation requirement. No more math!

And from what I've seen, most people lose their interest in math in elementary school. They are taught by teachers who often (not always, but often) went the route of elementary ed so they didn't have to worry with math. They share their frustration with math with their students, accidently in most cases.

I was working ahead in math textbooks in second grade and they *stopped* me because I was going to get out of hand.

313 quickjustice  Thu, Jul 30, 2009 12:20:36pm

re: #295 ArchangelMichael

A stable currency is best. A tiny bit of inflation is OK as long as real economic growth is consistent with it, and the money supply is approximating that growth.

314 Kragar  Thu, Jul 30, 2009 12:20:39pm

re: #308 Spider Mensch

Dan's wife must kick him out of the house every morning..can you imagine this dunder head around the house all day? she probably chases him out with a broom right after breakfast.

How else would she be able to blog in peace?

315 Eowyn2  Thu, Jul 30, 2009 12:20:50pm

re: #289 avanti

Leave it to one really racist cop to muddy the waters on the real issues in Gatesgate.

Jungle Monkey.

and he sent it in a mass email.
Is he walking upright yet?

316 Killgore Trout  Thu, Jul 30, 2009 12:20:54pm

re: #264 Dianna

It was from CNBC. You'll also notice that even Reuters has a doom and gloom version and a good news version. Right wing outlets won't link to a good news article so they need to have a variety of headlines.

317 Mad Al-Jaffee  Thu, Jul 30, 2009 12:21:04pm

re: #294 Eowyn2

how do you feel about woodwinds?

I don't feel like reeding any instrument puns today.

318 jvic  Thu, Jul 30, 2009 12:21:26pm

Blog headline at the Christian Science Monitor:

Optimism fades among small-business owners in US

These are the people who generate jobs.

319 FrogMarch  Thu, Jul 30, 2009 12:21:38pm

re: #216 Charles

Andrew McCarthy comes out as a Nirther at National Review today. Sigh.

Nirther koolaid dies hard.

320 vxbush  Thu, Jul 30, 2009 12:21:46pm

re: #296 Yashmak

I'm a mechanical engineer, meaning I've completed through Differential Equations. Even so, I can vouch for this statement. Many of my peers had to re-take the upper level math courses more than once to get a passing grade.

Like a friend of mine who took calculus four times. I did not want him on any engineering job I knew about.

321 BlueCanuck  Thu, Jul 30, 2009 12:22:02pm

re: #310 Walter L. Newton

re: #311 Yashmak

Okay you two are the latest. I think it was because the change was in $1 bills when a $5 bill would have been appropitate. Otherwise the payment of $11 was a little redundant.

322 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Jul 30, 2009 12:22:10pm

re: #304 Dianna

Lately, I don't know.

Bloomberg, to my mind, is a very cautious site when it comes to financial news, and I read it with attention. The rest? Well...ask someone else. KT's views are confusing me, lately.

He won't answer me. I've tried to apologize to him for any past indiscretions on my part, but I guess it's not going to work. I really am sorry.

Anyone can tell me what is being referred to when I see "right wing" mentioned here?

323 Kragar  Thu, Jul 30, 2009 12:22:10pm

re: #317 Mad Al-Jaffee

I don't feel like reeding any instrument puns today.

Sax to be you then.

324 nikis-knight  Thu, Jul 30, 2009 12:22:10pm

re: #310 Walter L. Newton

I'm glad you asked, because I'm confused too.

I suspect a typo...

325 Dianna  Thu, Jul 30, 2009 12:22:26pm

re: #295 ArchangelMichael

I respect KT on many issues, but he did spend an entire afternoon arguing with us claiming that treasury bonds were not government debt, so I part company with him here.

I'm really glad I missed that. That's very upsetting.

326 doppelganglander  Thu, Jul 30, 2009 12:22:55pm

re: #312 vxbush

And from what I've seen, most people lose their interest in math in elementary school. They are taught by teachers who often (not always, but often) went the route of elementary ed so they didn't have to worry with math. They share their frustration with math with their students, accidently in most cases.

I was working ahead in math textbooks in second grade and they *stopped* me because I was going to get out of hand.

While I was so far ahead in reading in first grade, they had to bring over books from the upper elementary school for me. In fact, that's why they put me, as a 2nd grader, in a 3rd-4th grade class at the upper elementary school, and probably why I got lost in math.

327 KenJen  Thu, Jul 30, 2009 12:23:03pm

re: #317 Mad Al-Jaffee

I don't feel like reeding any instrument puns today.

Is that kazoo sick of them?

328 KansasMom  Thu, Jul 30, 2009 12:23:16pm
At the risk of showing myself stupid, what's the problem? That she didn't give you a 5 bill?

They probably passed the exact same $1 bill back and forth. Wonder if she put it in the cash register and then removed it to give back to him?

329 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Jul 30, 2009 12:23:19pm

re: #321 BlueCanuck

re: #311 Yashmak

Okay you two are the latest. I think it was because the change was in $1 bills when a $5 bill would have been appropitate. Otherwise the payment of $11 was a little redundant.

Nothing was mentioned about how the change was distributed. The remark doesn't not make sense as it was typed.

330 Yashmak  Thu, Jul 30, 2009 12:23:21pm

re: #321 BlueCanuck


Okay you two are the latest. I think it was because the change was in $1 bills when a $5 bill would have been appropitate. Otherwise the payment of $11 was a little redundant.

Ah, that makes sense.

331 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Thu, Jul 30, 2009 12:24:18pm

re: #329 Walter L. Newton

Nothing was mentioned about how the change was distributed. The remark doesn't not make sense as it was typed.

No, it was five $1 bills. I didn't get it then, but now I do.

332 BlueCanuck  Thu, Jul 30, 2009 12:24:31pm

re: #329 Walter L. Newton

Actually it was.

Had one like that myself one day. Arbys.
Cash register went on the fritz.
Gave her 11.00 for a 5.49 meal. she gave me back 5 dollar bills and 51 cents.

333 Oh no...Sand People!  Thu, Jul 30, 2009 12:24:54pm

re: #327 KenJen

Is that kazoo sick of them?

They hurt my organs.

334 avanti  Thu, Jul 30, 2009 12:25:00pm

re: #297 Walter L. Newton

Leave it to one Democratic politician to muddy the waters...

Carolyn Maloney Slams Kirsten Gillibrand, Uses N Word Quote To Illustrate Point

[Link: www.huffingtonpost.com...]

Yep, she never should have quoted anyone that used the N word directly, but I quoted jungle monkey from the link, and I'm far from a racist since I would never use the words as a slur.

335 nikis-knight  Thu, Jul 30, 2009 12:25:06pm

I kind of enjoy math now, not to the point of doing it for fun, but when it comes up I try to see how fast I can do simple arithmatic in my head or how close an estimation is. It's kind of neat to see relationships between numbers.

336 vxbush  Thu, Jul 30, 2009 12:25:06pm

re: #326 doppelganglander

While I was so far ahead in reading in first grade, they had to bring over books from the upper elementary school for me. In fact, that's why they put me, as a 2nd grader, in a 3rd-4th grade class at the upper elementary school, and probably why I got lost in math.

But they let you read ahead. Because they already could keep up. I wasn't allowed to get ahead in math, because no one could keep up with me.

337 ArchangelMichael  Thu, Jul 30, 2009 12:25:08pm

re: #316 Killgore Trout

It was from CNBC. You'll also notice that even Reuters has a doom and gloom version and a good news version. Right wing outlets won't link to a good news article so they need to have a variety of headlines.

CNBC is full of Wall Street Shills and permabulls. They were telling people to load up the truck with stocks when the DJIA was at 14000. They were also making almost Beckian claims of armageddon at 6500 and telling people to sell everything.

They are supposed to report financial news, not act like cheerleaders on up days, and sad clowns on down days.

338 lincolntf  Thu, Jul 30, 2009 12:25:34pm

So the first week in Obama's career in which negative commentary about him was able to permeate the mass media and Danny boy comes up with a plea for him to take over that same media.
Dan Rather, evil genius?

339 Killgore Trout  Thu, Jul 30, 2009 12:25:59pm

re: #295 ArchangelMichael

I respect KT on many issues, but he did spend an entire afternoon arguing with us claiming that treasury bonds were not government debt, so I part company with him here.


Of course you know that's a bald faced lie. Care to back that up with a link, sport?

I argued (correctly) that t-bonds are not a loan.

340 Eowyn2  Thu, Jul 30, 2009 12:26:02pm

re: #296 Yashmak

I'm a mechanical engineer, meaning I've completed through Differential Equations. Even so, I can vouch for this statement. Many of my peers had to re-take the upper level math courses more than once to get a passing grade.

What kind of inginer are you that you didn't have to take Engineering Math 401 and 402? Differential Equations were Sophmore level at the engineering school I went to. After Diff-E-Qs, I decided I would not become an engineer due to having to take a course more difficult than Math 208. It was horrid. I was lost on the first page of the little tiny book when they said that it was easy to derive the 7 variable, 16 stage equation into one that was upper level Calculus. I had to work my way backwards to see where they came up with it. Basic calculators only. No preprogrammed formula ones.

341 nikis-knight  Thu, Jul 30, 2009 12:26:10pm

re: #331 EmmmieG

No, it was five $1 bills. I didn't get it then, but now I do.


I'll only call her slow if we know that there were five dollar bills in the register, though.

342 Oh no...Sand People!  Thu, Jul 30, 2009 12:26:12pm

re: #330 Yashmak

Ah, that makes sense.

Couldn't resist!

343 FrogMarch  Thu, Jul 30, 2009 12:26:13pm

Capitalist takes a piss all over capitalism - wins first prize with anti-capitalists.

Oink.

344 Killgore Trout  Thu, Jul 30, 2009 12:26:16pm

re: #325 Dianna

He's lying.

345 Dianna  Thu, Jul 30, 2009 12:26:19pm

re: #298 Killgore Trout

Agreed. However I strongly suspect that the predictions of hyper inflation are hyper bogus.

Please explain to me how the truly insane level of debt created by TARP and the ongoing "stimulus" are not going to cause a really frightening degree of inflation?

I'm not (yet) predicting hyperinflation. Mostly because the earliest indications are not yet there - though I will defer to anyone with a deeper expertise in finance that I have on this point - but I am very, very concerned about various money supply indicators.

346 JustABill  Thu, Jul 30, 2009 12:26:22pm

re: #301 doppelganglander

I admit I did the math on the Arby's problem 3 times just to make sure I wasn't missing the joke.

In non-fast food restaurants, that same thing happens all the time to me. They do it on purpose. The waiter/waitress wants to make sure you have plenty of ones to leave as a tip.

It drives me crazy when I make it clear that I don't want ones as she did and still get them. Good wait staff should be thinking about what the customer wants, not what will get them a good tip. Usually it works out better for them that way anyways...

347 Randall Gross  Thu, Jul 30, 2009 12:26:39pm

KT, if you are under the impression that you can trust either the traditional right or the traditional left on matters of the economy you probably have a fundamental misunderstanding of the source of their major differences.

348 truth stick  Thu, Jul 30, 2009 12:27:19pm

re: #88 eschew_obfuscation

I'm thinking that earnings are up because expenses have been slashed which includes employee salaries.


True, all we are seeing is the cost savings of not paying peoples salaries, they will actually have to sell something to somebody to grow revenue, and that is still a way off in a lot of peoples minds.

349 FrogMarch  Thu, Jul 30, 2009 12:28:07pm

re: #337 ArchangelMichael

CNBC is full of Wall Street Shills and permabulls. They were telling people to load up the truck with stocks when the DJIA was at 14000. They were also making almost Beckian claims of armageddon at 6500 and telling people to sell everything.

They are supposed to report financial news, not act like cheerleaders on up days, and sad clowns on down days.

For what it's worth - my financial guy tells me to stay away from the advise given by CNBC. If I remember correctly - he trusts Bloomberg.

350 jill e  Thu, Jul 30, 2009 12:28:30pm

The idea that media is there to educate us, or to inform us, is ridiculous because that's about tenth or eleventh on their list. —Abbie Hoffman

351 Killgore Trout  Thu, Jul 30, 2009 12:28:36pm

re: #347 Thanos

KT, if you are under the impression that you can trust either the traditional right or the traditional left on matters of the economy you probably have a fundamental misunderstanding of the source of their major differences.


My point is that right wing blogs used to be much more trust worthy. There are very few right wing blogs that I take seriously anymore and when it comes to financial information I just don't believe anything they have to say anymore.

352 opnion  Thu, Jul 30, 2009 12:28:36pm

re: #280 DaddyG

...but the public works projects resulted in a world class highway system. /

Yeah, but it produced Hitler & he had such a bad attitude, not a people person.

353 avanti  Thu, Jul 30, 2009 12:28:43pm

re: #315 Eowyn2

and he sent it in a mass email.
Is he walking upright yet?

The good news is his fellow cops reported it, so I'd guess he was a exception.

354 ArchangelMichael  Thu, Jul 30, 2009 12:28:47pm

re: #339 Killgore Trout

Of course you know that's a bald faced lie. Care to back that up with a link, sport?

I argued (correctly) that t-bonds are not a loan.

I'm not backing up a a FACTUAL claim that everyone knows to be correct and I'm not starting a fucking semantics game with you as to what exactly the difference between a loan and "being in debt is".

A T-Bill, and such treasury securities are government debt, move on.

355 Dianna  Thu, Jul 30, 2009 12:28:48pm

My computer has decided it hates me. Excuse me. I have no idea what the problem is, but it's beginning to worry me.

I will close down one more time, hoping to recover all my network connections.

356 Eowyn2  Thu, Jul 30, 2009 12:29:08pm

re: #299 nikis-knight

At the risk of showing myself stupid, what's the problem? That she didn't give you a 5 bill?

yes. And the fact that she really didn't understand that I had given her the 11 so that I could get a 5 back.

357 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Jul 30, 2009 12:29:16pm

re: #334 avanti

Yep, she never should have quoted anyone that used the N word directly, but I quoted jungle monkey from the link, and I'm far from a racist since I would never use the words as a slur.

My comment was not geared toward you. You linked to a racist comment by a cop, I linked to a racist comment by a Democrat. Turnaround is fair play. This wasn't directed at you. It's not all about you.

358 Throbert McGee  Thu, Jul 30, 2009 12:29:29pm
The irrepressible Dan Rather

Maybe the man can't be repressed, but let no one dare claim that we didn't give it the ol' college try...

359 Rancher  Thu, Jul 30, 2009 12:29:35pm

re: #233 Killgore Trout


Challenge: find an positive article about the economy on a right wing blog today. The Dow is up, somebody out there has got to be covering it.


The ton of money taken out of the market as well as the ton of money being printed has exerted an inordinate amount of upward pressure on the stock market. Add to that the low interest rate on other investments such as bonds and the market will rise on the slightest good news, such as the cap and trade bill being stopped or health care reform being postponed. The real bad news will come when the resulting high inflation and high interest rates kick in. They have to finance the risky debt somehow, the Chinese wont accept a minuscule rate of return forever and they will also have to print more money to finance the new trillions in debt from the porkulus bill. Things are going to get much worse, in this case the market is only a short term leading indicator of things to come.

360 Yashmak  Thu, Jul 30, 2009 12:29:44pm

re: #340 Eowyn2

What kind of inginer are you that you didn't have to take Engineering Math 401 and 402?

Mechanical. It's probably a matter of different schools labelling the math courses differently. As far as I know, the only degrees requiring completion of math above the level I completed are actual Mathematics degrees and graduate level physics degrees.

Also, requirements may have changed. I got my degree 14 years ago.

361 nikis-knight  Thu, Jul 30, 2009 12:30:30pm

re: #345 Dianna

Please explain to me how the truly insane level of debt created by TARP and the ongoing "stimulus" are not going to cause a really frightening degree of inflation?

I'm not (yet) predicting hyperinflation. Mostly because the earliest indications are not yet there - though I will defer to anyone with a deeper expertise in finance that I have on this point - but I am very, very concerned about various money supply indicators.

See, I don't really know much about economics. But it seems certain that there is a point at which running the printing machines is suicidal, and another point at which it is trivial. And I'll be shocked if Trillions is not closer to suicidal than trivial. Pleasantly shocked, since it is already done, but it will certainly demonstrate to me how little I know if this stimulus turns out to have been a good idea 5-10 years down the road.

362 Randall Gross  Thu, Jul 30, 2009 12:30:41pm

re: #351 Killgore Trout

My point is that right wing blogs used to be much more trust worthy. There are very few right wing blogs that I take seriously anymore and when it comes to financial information I just don't believe anything they have to say anymore.

I will agree that most of them are more likely to point at the negative economic articles rather than the positive as they were wont to do when Bush was in office. It is a minor form of hypocrisy that in the end could turn out to hurt their biggest donors. Talking down the economy has now become the bent of certain talk show hosts.

363 Son of the Black Dog  Thu, Jul 30, 2009 12:31:01pm

re: #270 Dianna

Gah! No!

Inflation kills! I hate inflation! It only benefits the irresponsible who don't save!

Inflation is how the Democrats are going to wipe out savings.
Part of their strategy of destroying the middle class.

364 jill e  Thu, Jul 30, 2009 12:31:25pm

I've tried everything. I can say to you with confidence, I know a fair amount about LSD. I've never been a social user of any of these things, but my curiosity has carried me into a lot of interesting areas. —Dan Rather

Dan's having a series of flashbacks.

365 doppelganglander  Thu, Jul 30, 2009 12:31:32pm

re: #336 vxbush

But they let you read ahead. Because they already could keep up. I wasn't allowed to get ahead in math, because no one could keep up with me.

And that's one of the things I think is most wrong with the typical public school. Have you encountered "mastery learning" with your kids? In its purest form, the entire class is held back until the very last kid understands the material. My younger daughter was taught math that way in elementary school, but the kids were pre-tested and tracked for ability prior to each unit. Without tracking, it's a nightmare for the average-to-bright kids.

366 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Thu, Jul 30, 2009 12:31:42pm

Totally OT--

Benjamin Franklin has a mind like a juggernaut.

Just saying.

367 FrogMarch  Thu, Jul 30, 2009 12:32:01pm

re: #364 jill e

"I've tried everything. I can say to you with confidence, I know a fair amount about LSD. I've never been a social user of any of these things, but my curiosity has carried me into a lot of interesting areas." —Dan Rather

Dan's having a series of flashbacks.


Explains much.

368 Mad Al-Jaffee  Thu, Jul 30, 2009 12:32:07pm

re: #343 FrogMarch

Capitalist takes a piss all over capitalism - wins first prize with anti-capitalists.

Oink.

Good God! He looks like Chris Farley (in his final days) in that photo!

369 DaddyG  Thu, Jul 30, 2009 12:32:14pm

re: #352 opnion

Yeah, but it produced Hitler & he had such a bad attitude, not a people person.

Plus he really killed the whole Charlie Chaplain moustache look. /

370 mrkwong  Thu, Jul 30, 2009 12:32:21pm

re: #288 lawhawk

Frak! What the heck have the conservatives been drinking? Heck, NRO just posted on the nirther nonsense this week slamming the nirtherism. Sad.

No, McCarthy's piece does not embrace the nirther-conspiracy.

But he does, lugubriously, fall into the trap of arguing that it's somehow in the opposition interest to continue public flogging of Obama on the secrecy of his background.

A lot of America suspected that McNamara et al had been lying about 'progress' in Vietnam; the Tet offensive might have been a military disaster for the VC but it gave Americans a hook on which to hang their discontent.

A fraction of America suspects that Obama has been less than honest about his background, and some of them have embraced the birth-certificate thing as a rallying point.

I do believe he's been more than tolerably dishonest and secretive about his background, but I don't buy into the nirther foolishness.

371 Sheila Broflovski  Thu, Jul 30, 2009 12:33:33pm

re: #281 Eowyn2

Had one like that myself one day. Arbys.
Cash register went on the fritz.
Gave her 11.00 for a 5.49 meal. she gave me back 5 dollar bills and 51 cents.

And the problem with that is?

372 avanti  Thu, Jul 30, 2009 12:33:47pm

re: #351 Killgore Trout

My point is that right wing blogs used to be much more trust worthy. There are very few right wing blogs that I take seriously anymore and when it comes to financial information I just don't believe anything they have to say anymore.

If the market continues to go up, look for Fox business to switch to fears of inflation, anything to indicate failure
of the POTUS's liberal policies.

373 lawhawk  Thu, Jul 30, 2009 12:33:54pm

re: #233 Killgore Trout

Okay. (from mine) How about the fact that home prices are now coming back in line with historical pricing - making them far more affordable so long as the government doesn't screw things up and attempt to make foreclosures more difficult - a driving force in correcting prices in overheated markets.

Housing prices aren't the end-all, but the more affordable they are without any other government programs to distort the markets and artificially create demand, the better and healthier the market is.

Sales may be down from historic highs, but that too is a good thing because the sales factor was artificially created with unreasonably low interest rates and pressure from Congress to lenders to issue loans to those who couldn't afford to repay.

374 CyanSnowHawk  Thu, Jul 30, 2009 12:34:15pm

re: #360 Yashmak

Mechanical. It's probably a matter of different schools labelling the math courses differently. As far as I know, the only degrees requiring completion of math above the level I completed are actual Mathematics degrees and graduate level physics degrees.

Also, requirements may have changed. I got my degree 14 years ago.

That sounds about right. Diff Eq was the highest I needed for my Electrical Engineering degree in '95.

375 [deleted]  Thu, Jul 30, 2009 12:34:16pm
376 ErnieG  Thu, Jul 30, 2009 12:35:20pm

re: #371 Alouette

And the problem with that is?

I think that he was looking for a $5 bill.

377 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Jul 30, 2009 12:35:43pm

re: #372 avanti

If the market continues to go up, look for Fox business to switch to fears of inflation, anything to indicate failure
of the POTUS's liberal policies.

Honestly, Barry is doing a very good job of screwing things up on his own, which supplies the conservative media with all the fodder they need.

378 vxbush  Thu, Jul 30, 2009 12:35:51pm

re: #365 doppelganglander

And that's one of the things I think is most wrong with the typical public school. Have you encountered "mastery learning" with your kids? In its purest form, the entire class is held back until the very last kid understands the material. My younger daughter was taught math that way in elementary school, but the kids were pre-tested and tracked for ability prior to each unit. Without tracking, it's a nightmare for the average-to-bright kids.

No, thank goodness. My kids are out of school. They tried to segregate the more math-capable kids for a while in junior high to see if they could learn at their own pace, but I got tripped up by percentages because the books taught three different formulas instead of just one and showed how to manipulate the one equation to find the other two. Someone who was a true math teacher might have been able to see this and teach me, but we had someone babysit us who, again, didn't have any math ability.

I tried desperately with my kids to teach them enough math at home that they wouldn't have trouble in school. I actually taught my daughter pre-algebra over the summer so she could start in algebra in the fall. She didn't like me as a teacher. :D

379 KansasMom  Thu, Jul 30, 2009 12:36:17pm

re: #340 Eowyn2

What kind of inginer are you that you didn't have to take Engineering Math 401 and 402? Differential Equations were Sophmore level at the engineering school I went to. After Diff-E-Qs, I decided I would not become an engineer due to having to take a course more difficult than Math 208. It was horrid. I was lost on the first page of the little tiny book when they said that it was easy to derive the 7 variable, 16 stage equation into one that was upper level Calculus. I had to work my way backwards to see where they came up with it. Basic calculators only. No preprogrammed formula ones.

You were allowed to use a calculator?!?!?! Dang, I went to school just a couple years too early. Funny how I can do the advanced math correctly, but still get the answer wrong because I'll trip over the basic arithmetic.

380 the phantom  Thu, Jul 30, 2009 12:36:23pm

re: #103 Dianna

Me, neither. But Swaggart fascinates me. I'm always intrigued by people who are both sincere and wildly hypocritical. How one would write that so it makes some kind of psychological sense? I'm not that good.

Ayn Rand was faced with a similar problem:

The 35th anniversary edition of the book [Atlas Shrugged] includes an introduction of sorts by Dr. Leonard Peikoff. He includes a number of enlightening passages from Ayn Rand’s notes on the book, one of which mentions a character she ultimately cut from the final version of the story: “Father Amadeus.”

Father Amadeus, Peikoff comments, “was [Jim] Taggart’s priest, to whom he confessed his sins. The priest was supposed to be a positive character, honestly devoted to the good but practicing consistently the morality of altruism. Miss Rand dropped him… when she found that it was impossible to make such a character convincing.”

381 opnion  Thu, Jul 30, 2009 12:36:54pm

re: #353 avanti

The good news is his fellow cops reported it, so I'd guess he was a exception.

I love how he said that he didn't mean it in a racist way.
Well, he cleared that up

382 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Jul 30, 2009 12:36:55pm

re: #372 avanti

He's doing a real good job of screwing up on his own...

1) Can't keep your promise to pass a health care reform bill (or what ever it's called today) before the summer recess.

2) You find that almost everything you said about the arrest of your friend Gates, had no basis in truth.

3) Your poll number are going down, down, down and Nate Silver doesn't even get into the debate. "Hey Nate, how come you haven't weighed in on the recent poll numbers?"

4) It crosses your mind that every single dictator that you have tried to make some diplomatic progress with has ignored everything you have said and even your threats have fallen on deaf ears.

5) As you look over the financial state of the nation, it becomes more and more evident that economically things look better, the same way a gambler looks better when he is still flush with borrowed money. As soon as those who benefited by the bailouts and stimulus money spend it all, we will not find much change or process in our financial health.

6) The unemployment rate won't go down no matter how many times you say it's going to get better.

7) And last but not least, after inviting Crowley and Gates to a party at the White House, you are still stressed because you have no idea if you open a Budweiser with a "twist" or a bottle opener.

383 avanti  Thu, Jul 30, 2009 12:37:29pm

re: #357 Walter L. Newton

My comment was not geared toward you. You linked to a racist comment by a cop, I linked to a racist comment by a Democrat. Turnaround is fair play. This wasn't directed at you. It's not all about you.

I guess you missed the comparison of quoting a slur, and using it. I don't think her quoting a slur makes here any more a racist then me just doing the same in my post.

384 CyanSnowHawk  Thu, Jul 30, 2009 12:37:33pm

re: #368 Mad Al-Jaffee

Good God! He looks like Chris Farley (in his final days) in that photo!

I had always suspected him of being a member of the Hutt clan.

385 mrkwong  Thu, Jul 30, 2009 12:37:58pm

re: #372 avanti

If the market continues to go up, look for Fox business to switch to fears of inflation, anything to indicate failure
of the POTUS's liberal policies.

You could argue that markets are rising because it's increasingly looking like the worst of the Obama/Pelosi agenda - carbon regulation - is going nowhere.

Today's treasury market results provide a good hanger on which to hang inflation fears if someone wanted to whip some up.

386 lincolntf  Thu, Jul 30, 2009 12:38:08pm

re: #367 FrogMarch

That does explain a lot.
Hell = The poor suck who must have had to sit with Dan Rather during those three day coke benders back in the Seventies.

(If I find out that Mike Huckabee has been freebasing, I'm entirely giving up on the media.)

387 DaddyG  Thu, Jul 30, 2009 12:38:58pm

re: #372 avanti

If the market continues to go up, look for Fox business to switch to fears of inflation, anything to indicate failure
of the POTUS's liberal policies.


As a State employee who does not get cost of living adjustments and who's compensation has been frozen for several years, on top of recent required furloughs to balance the budget. Inflation of any kind scares the stuffing out of me. I don't need Fox news to tell me if there is a limited supply of milk and eggs and someone prints and distributes two dollers for every one already in the economy without requiring real goods and services in return (see bail-out and stimulus $) that the price of milk and eggs will double.

388 Killgore Trout  Thu, Jul 30, 2009 12:39:05pm

re: #354 ArchangelMichael

I'm not backing up a a FACTUAL claim that everyone knows to be correct


Ok, I'll just accept that as admission that you're lying and let it go then.

389 Son of the Black Dog  Thu, Jul 30, 2009 12:39:05pm

re: #298 Killgore Trout

Agreed. However I strongly suspect that the predictions of hyper inflation are hyper bogus.

You don't think the enormous deficits being run up by the Obama administration can't result in Carter-like inflation? That's hyper enough for me.

390 Dianna  Thu, Jul 30, 2009 12:39:23pm

re: #339 Killgore Trout

Of course you know that's a bald faced lie. Care to back that up with a link, sport?

I argued (correctly) that t-bonds are not a loan.

?!

KT, of course they're loans. How do you argue they're not?

Loans are sold on, all the time.

Commercial bonds and government bonds, both, are called "debt instruments", and they are loans.

391 saberry0530  Thu, Jul 30, 2009 12:39:27pm

re: #386 lincolntf

That does explain a lot.
Hell = The poor suck who must have had to sit with Dan Rather during those three day coke benders back in the Seventies.

(If I find out that Mike Huckabee has been freebasing, I'm entirely giving up on the media.)


Well, that would explain the massive weight loss
///

392 Rancher  Thu, Jul 30, 2009 12:39:47pm

re: #309 Thanos

McCarthy's article just from a skim seems intent on fermenting the "Obama's a sekret muslim" angle.

/ All aboard the Nirther train, don't have a ticket? Your Nirth Certifikit will do - Woo Woo ! Alll aboard the Bellvillebound train! Wooo Wooo...

Read it closer, he isn't saying Obama is a Muslim he is saying that Obama has been lying about who he is from the time he wrote his biography. He played up his Muslim connections when he thought it would help him and then downplayed them when he thought it would hurt. He has thrown in allot of lies that wouldn't have seen the light of day if it were not for the birther bull and the resulting scrutiny of his life because the MSM was more intent on protecting Obama than reporting on Obama.

The fact is that Obama’s account of his background is increasingly revealed as a fabrication, not his life as lived; his utterances reflect the expediencies of the moment, not the truth. What is supposed to save the country from fraudulence of this sort is the media. Here, though, the establishment press is deep in Obama’s tank — so much so that they can’t even accurately report his flub of a ceremonial opening pitch lest he come off as something less than Sandy Koufax. Astonishingly, reporters see their job not as reporting Obama news but as debunking Obama news, or flat-out suppressing it.
393 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Jul 30, 2009 12:39:51pm

re: #383 avanti

I guess you missed the comparison of quoting a slur, and using it. I don't think her quoting a slur makes here any more a racist then me just doing the same in my post.

Oh, I'm sorry. So, you are saying that it was ok for her to use the "n" word since she was quoting a person from Puerto Rico?

394 wiffersnapper  Thu, Jul 30, 2009 12:40:07pm

Are they war correspondents, or obama cheerleaders?

395 avanti  Thu, Jul 30, 2009 12:40:17pm

re: #377 Walter L. Newton

Honestly, Barry is doing a very good job of screwing things up on his own, which supplies the conservative media with all the fodder they need.

BTW Walter, the POTUS is at the 52% level on Gallup today that we discussed a few weeks ago. If it goes lower then his percentage of the vote, I think that will be significant and indicate more agree with you.

396 opnion  Thu, Jul 30, 2009 12:40:49pm

re: #372 avanti

If the market continues to go up, look for Fox business to switch to fears of inflation, anything to indicate failure
of the POTUS's liberal policies.


Avanti, it's jobs. I know that jobs are the last thing to recover , but we are still losing jobs.
To say .that the July job loss was not as great as June, begs the question, we are still losing, not gaining.

397 Dianna  Thu, Jul 30, 2009 12:41:01pm

re: #380 the phantom

That's because Ayn Rand really wasn't a very good writer.

A priest would preach altruism, whether this was - from Rand's pov - a good thing.

398 Gus  Thu, Jul 30, 2009 12:41:42pm

Perfume sets off events in Fort Worth that put 34 in hospitals
BY BILL MILLER AND ANTHONY SPANGLER

FORT WORTH — A rush of hysteria over what was initially reported as a gas leak likely resulted in 34 people being sent to area hospitals Wednesday afternoon.

But the actual culprit was perfume, brand unknown.

That’s right — perfume.

Lt. Kent Worley, a Fire Department spokesman, suggested that the situation escalated because of "psychosomatic behavior."

...

I wonder what the trial attorney count will be with this one.

399 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Jul 30, 2009 12:41:53pm

re: #393 Walter L. Newton

Oh, I'm sorry. So, you are saying that it was ok for her to use the "n" word since she was quoting a person from Puerto Rico?

And the congressperson seems to think she made a mistake...

"It's no excuse but I was so caught up in relaying the story exactly as it was told to me that, in doing so, I repeated a word that should never be repeated," she said."

Funny that everyone in this situation thinks it was wrong to use that word except you.

400 [deleted]  Thu, Jul 30, 2009 12:42:21pm
401 ArchangelMichael  Thu, Jul 30, 2009 12:42:25pm

re: #388 Killgore Trout

Ok, I'll just accept that as admission that you're lying and let it go then.

What you are asking for I already did (back in the thread we argued this before). This is besides the fact you are asking me for a link to show you that the sky is blue for all intents and purposes.

Nice try Lao Che.

402 Eowyn2  Thu, Jul 30, 2009 12:42:32pm

re: #343 FrogMarch

Capitalist takes a piss all over capitalism - wins first prize with anti-capitalists.

Oink.


Tickets will be free?

403 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Jul 30, 2009 12:42:34pm

re: #395 avanti

BTW Walter, the POTUS is at the 52% level on Gallup today that we discussed a few weeks ago. If it goes lower then his percentage of the vote, I think that will be significant and indicate more agree with you.

I meet you at the bottom.

404 ErnieG  Thu, Jul 30, 2009 12:42:34pm

re: #281 Eowyn2

That reminds me of the time I handed the young lady at McDonald's $5.07 for a $4.82 order, hoping to get a quarter in change.

Have you ever seen a deer in headlights?

405 Killgore Trout  Thu, Jul 30, 2009 12:42:39pm

re: #372 avanti

If the market continues to go up, look for Fox business to switch to fears of inflation, anything to indicate failure
of the POTUS's liberal policies.

Actually nobody took me up on my challenge to find a right wing site discussing good economic news. Fox Business page actually isn't too bad. They're covering today's surge on the market, the treasury auction and the possibility of economic recovery.
One the whole I think we'll be well out of the economic crisis and years into recovery and the wight will never acknowledge it.

406 Randall Gross  Thu, Jul 30, 2009 12:42:46pm

The quickest way out of debt would be to Boom the economy. There are a few ways to do that across several sectors:

1. Cut gov't red tape on nuclear energy
2. allow more offshore drilling
3. Coast to Coast high speed freight rail
4. Open some land in the West for homesteading
5. Deregulate Shipping and Ship building
6. Allow commercial nuclear powered shipping
7. Revise what's conventional and non conventional for FHA loans with an eye toward new century building.
8. Electrify all interstates

Those are just a few I came up with that in less than two minutes. All have potential regardless of what naysayers might coo about.

407 Dianna  Thu, Jul 30, 2009 12:42:55pm

re: #373 lawhawk

Further: foreclosure is a reality check.

It's not a pleasant experience, but it teaches painful lessons without (hopefully, anyway) bloodshed.

408 avanti  Thu, Jul 30, 2009 12:43:08pm

re: #385 mrkwong

You could argue that markets are rising because it's increasingly looking like the worst of the Obama/Pelosi agenda - carbon regulation - is going nowhere.

Today's treasury market results provide a good hanger on which to hang inflation fears if someone wanted to whip some up.

I don't know since the days that cap and trade did well in Congress, the market did not show any interest. I've seen many a prediction on here about a coming drop in reaction to one policy or another, yet it keeps trending up based on market news, not politics.

409 vxbush  Thu, Jul 30, 2009 12:43:13pm

re: #398 Gus 802

Perfume sets off events in Fort Worth that put 34 in hospitals
BY BILL MILLER AND ANTHONY SPANGLER

I wonder what the trial attorney count will be with this one.

Some asthmatics--including me--find some perfumes just as bad, if not worse, than tobacco smoke. And some mens' aftershaves. I'm not saying that 34 people would be thus affected, but it can be annoying.

410 doppelganglander  Thu, Jul 30, 2009 12:43:22pm

re: #378 vxbush

No, thank goodness. My kids are out of school. They tried to segregate the more math-capable kids for a while in junior high to see if they could learn at their own pace, but I got tripped up by percentages because the books taught three different formulas instead of just one and showed how to manipulate the one equation to find the other two. Someone who was a true math teacher might have been able to see this and teach me, but we had someone babysit us who, again, didn't have any math ability.

I tried desperately with my kids to teach them enough math at home that they wouldn't have trouble in school. I actually taught my daughter pre-algebra over the summer so she could start in algebra in the fall. She didn't like me as a teacher. :D

It sounds like "learn at your own pace," in practice, became "we don't have anyone qualified to teach you." When I got bored, they gave me extra book reports to do. I got so disenchanted with academics that I barely passed high school.

It's very lucky you had the ability to give your kids the extra attention in math. I wish you'd been around when I was homeschooling my oldest and neither one of us understood it. ;)

411 Charpete67  Thu, Jul 30, 2009 12:43:32pm

re: #395 avanti

BTW Walter, the POTUS is at the 52% level on Gallup today that we discussed a few weeks ago. If it goes lower then his percentage of the vote, I think that will be significant and indicate more agree with you.

Rasmussen predicted the last election better than Gallup and they have BHO @ 48%. I know Rasmussen looks at likely voters which has tended to be more accurate...don't know what Gallup uses, but Gallup has always been a few points higher than Rasmussen.

412 JHW  Thu, Jul 30, 2009 12:44:09pm

re: #405 Killgore Trout

Belmont Club?

413 Pianobuff  Thu, Jul 30, 2009 12:44:19pm

re: #198 ArchangelMichael

You do realize that the market rallying for no reason at all is not a good thing... right?

Could it be that as Obamacare and Cap & Trade sink in public opinion that investors are getting hopeful?

414 Gus  Thu, Jul 30, 2009 12:44:27pm

re: #409 vxbush

Some asthmatics--including me--find some perfumes just as bad, if not worse, than tobacco smoke. And some mens' aftershaves. I'm not saying that 34 people would be thus affected, but it can be annoying.

Yep. But like you mentioned it is different in this case. 34 to the hospital and by ambulance. All for perfume.

Welcome to the modern world.

415 Sheila Broflovski  Thu, Jul 30, 2009 12:44:29pm

re: #402 Eowyn2

Tickets will be free?

I only watched one Michael Moore movie in my life (Bowling for Columbine) and it was on a DVD from the Moscow "pirate mall" so Fatso didn't benefit.

416 lawhawk  Thu, Jul 30, 2009 12:44:42pm

re: #405 Killgore Trout

A mirror image of the way the left portrayed the Bush years. Never acknowledged the recovery after 9/11 or that there was years of growth before the 2008-9 recession began.

417 Dianna  Thu, Jul 30, 2009 12:44:45pm

re: #383 avanti

Since Crowley didn't say it, nor was it said to Gates, it's not relevant.

418 SFGoth  Thu, Jul 30, 2009 12:44:55pm

What a fucking pussy.

419 Eowyn2  Thu, Jul 30, 2009 12:44:59pm

re: #329 Walter L. Newton

Nothing was mentioned about how the change was distributed. The remark doesn't not make sense as it was typed.

Apology accepted.

420 vxbush  Thu, Jul 30, 2009 12:45:07pm

re: #410 doppelganglander

It sounds like "learn at your own pace," in practice, became "we don't have anyone qualified to teach you." When I got bored, they gave me extra book reports to do. I got so disenchanted with academics that I barely passed high school.

It's very lucky you had the ability to give your kids the extra attention in math. I wish you'd been around when I was homeschooling my oldest and neither one of us understood it. ;)

I actually have had trouble teaching math below the level of algebra because it's just so obvious for me now. I don't understand why people can't see it. Why fractions are problematic is a mystery to me.

421 opnion  Thu, Jul 30, 2009 12:45:11pm

re: #390 Dianna

?!

KT, of course they're loans. How do you argue they're not?

Loans are sold on, all the time.

Commercial bonds and government bonds, both, are called "debt instruments", and they are loans.

Bonds place an obligation to repay with interest, so you are correct, they are debt instuments.

422 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Jul 30, 2009 12:45:43pm

re: #411 Charpete67

Rasmussen predicted the last election better than Gallup and they have BHO @ 48%. I know Rasmussen looks at likely voters which has tended to be more accurate...don't know what Gallup uses, but Gallup has always been a few points higher than Rasmussen.

Rasmussen was the MOST ACCURATE of all the pollers during the last election... (not Nate Silver).

[Link: www.fordham.edu...]

423 Gus  Thu, Jul 30, 2009 12:45:57pm

re: #405 Killgore Trout

Actually nobody took me up on my challenge to find a right wing site discussing good economic news. Fox Business page actually isn't too bad. They're covering today's surge on the market, the treasury auction and the possibility of economic recovery.
One the whole I think we'll be well out of the economic crisis and years into recovery and the wight will never acknowledge it.

Doesn't that depend on how you define "right." I doubt you'll find T Boone Pickens complaining if this pans out.

424 Randall Gross  Thu, Jul 30, 2009 12:46:20pm

re: #392 Rancher

It's just another way of saying "I'm not a nirther, however"...

He's opportunistically using it as a foil for his point, just as Obama is opportunistically familiar with Muslims when it serves him.

425 Eowyn2  Thu, Jul 30, 2009 12:46:29pm

re: #379 KansasMom

You were allowed to use a calculator?!?!?! Dang, I went to school just a couple years too early. Funny how I can do the advanced math correctly, but still get the answer wrong because I'll trip over the basic arithmetic.

damn slide rules.

I did use those in jr high but we had all the sin, cos, and tan tables in the back of our algebra II books.

426 CyanSnowHawk  Thu, Jul 30, 2009 12:46:53pm

re: #389 Son of the Black Dog

You don't think the enormous deficits being run up by the Obama administration can't result in Carter-like inflation? That's hyper enough for me.

Carter-like inflation, while bad, is hardly 'hyper.' Mugabe-like inflation qualifies for that term.

427 Dianna  Thu, Jul 30, 2009 12:47:10pm

re: #405 Killgore Trout

I didn't see a challenge? Which of your posts?

428 Killgore Trout  Thu, Jul 30, 2009 12:47:16pm

re: #416 lawhawk

Agreed. Also coverage of the Iraq war comes to mind. All through our victory in Iraq the left screamed constantly about how we were losing. The more we won the more they screamed. ODS and BDS are pretty much identical.

429 Eowyn2  Thu, Jul 30, 2009 12:47:34pm

re: #415 Alouette

I only watched one Michael Moore movie in my life (Bowling for Columbine) and it was on a DVD from the Moscow "pirate mall" so Fatso didn't benefit.

The only Michael M movie I've seen is An American Carole.

430 lincolntf  Thu, Jul 30, 2009 12:47:48pm

re: #422 Walter L. Newton

Silence!
Accuracy in polling is doubleplusungood. Report for your "beer" at the Central Information Office immediately.

431 avanti  Thu, Jul 30, 2009 12:48:00pm

re: #399 Walter L. Newton

And the congressperson seems to think she made a mistake...

"It's no excuse but I was so caught up in relaying the story exactly as it was told to me that, in doing so, I repeated a word that should never be repeated," she said."

Funny that everyone in this situation thinks it was wrong to use that word except you.

You must not read my posts. I agreed that the N word should seldom be used, or even quoted. I do not agree that her quote made her a racist. Calling a black man a jungle money does IMHO. In the overall scheme of things, racism exists on both sides, and one sides use of slurs, does not excuse the other.

432 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Jul 30, 2009 12:48:07pm

re: #423 Gus 802

Doesn't that depend on how you define "right." I doubt you'll find T Boone Pickens complaining if this pans out.

I asked Killgore to define "right wing" for me, but he is still mad at me for the dust up we had in the past. I've told him I am sorry, and I really mean it. I would like to know how he defines "right wing?" Is it the crazy conservatives like Buchanan or most conservatives, like Fox News and so forth.

Killgore, can we please be friends?

433 vxbush  Thu, Jul 30, 2009 12:48:31pm

re: #425 Eowyn2

damn slide rules.

I did use those in jr high but we had all the sin, cos, and tan tables in the back of our algebra II books.

So many people were used to calculating sines, cosines, and tangents using calculators that when they had to use tables to find values on the normal or chi-squared distributions they had to be taught from scratch how to use them.

I was taught once how to use log tables and slide rules, but it's been so long now I'm not sure I could do it.

434 Killgore Trout  Thu, Jul 30, 2009 12:49:01pm
435 beens21  Thu, Jul 30, 2009 12:49:09pm

OT, but where is Cindy Sheehan, Code Pink, attacks on military recruiters, protests against the war in Iraq, the surge in Afghanistan, this war is lost, attacks against the military, why aren't Obamas daughters joining the junior ROTC, editorials denouncing the illegal predator attacks in Pakistan? Did something change? Smell a whiff of hypocrisy out there?

436 avanti  Thu, Jul 30, 2009 12:49:09pm

re: #411 Charpete67

Rasmussen predicted the last election better than Gallup and they have BHO @ 48%. I know Rasmussen looks at likely voters which has tended to be more accurate...don't know what Gallup uses, but Gallup has always been a few points higher than Rasmussen.

Yep, you are dead nuts correct about the polling weighing.

437 CyanSnowHawk  Thu, Jul 30, 2009 12:50:09pm

re: #398 Gus 802

Perfume sets off events in Fort Worth that put 34 in hospitals
BY BILL MILLER AND ANTHONY SPANGLER

I wonder what the trial attorney count will be with this one.

I knew those perfume spraying cosmetics counter attendants were up to nefarious purposes!
/

438 Dianna  Thu, Jul 30, 2009 12:50:17pm

re: #421 opnion

Bonds place an obligation to repay with interest, so you are correct, they are debt instuments.

This differs from a loan, how?

Having (to my shock and horror) watched defaults on bonds, I've noted that (aside from the size of a "debt instrument" vice what most of us think of as loans) the same sort of things apply. Except that individuals just get sued and issuers suffer class-action lawsuits.

439 Kragar  Thu, Jul 30, 2009 12:50:22pm

I was always a C student when it came to Algebra, but suprisingly, I got A's in Calculus and Trig. Never could explain that and I've stayed away from math ever since.

440 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Jul 30, 2009 12:50:33pm

re: #431 avanti

You must not read my posts. I agreed that the N word should seldom be used, or even quoted. I do not agree that her quote made her a racist. Calling a black man a jungle money does IMHO. In the overall scheme of things, racism exists on both sides, and one sides use of slurs, does not excuse the other.

I don't think any of those terms should be used on either side, any side, by anyone, period. And there are plenty enough left leaning racist.

441 Killgore Trout  Thu, Jul 30, 2009 12:51:02pm

re: #435 beens21

Cindy's still floating around. I think she was going to try to camp out at Bush's ranch again this summer. Not sure if she actually did it though.

442 Randall Gross  Thu, Jul 30, 2009 12:51:30pm

re: #435 beens21

OT, but where is Cindy Sheehan, Code Pink, attacks on military recruiters, protests against the war in Iraq, the surge in Afghanistan, this war is lost, attacks against the military, why aren't Obamas daughters joining the junior ROTC, editorials denouncing the illegal predator attacks in Pakistan? Did something change? Smell a whiff of hypocrisy out there?

All those groups are focused on anti-Israel demonstrating, Obama owns Afghanistan and Iraq now, so of course they aren't going to be out in force against the wars anymore.

443 doppelganglander  Thu, Jul 30, 2009 12:51:37pm

re: #420 vxbush

I actually have had trouble teaching math below the level of algebra because it's just so obvious for me now. I don't understand why people can't see it. Why fractions are problematic is a mystery to me.

Funny, fractions are one thing I'm pretty good at. I can factor the heck out of a fraction and reduce it like crazy.

As we're talking about math phobia and innumeracy, it occurs to me that the best thing that ever happened to my math skills was playing cards with my dad. He got very impatient when I was slow at counting up my cards, so he taught me to make tens by pairing the cards - 4 +6 =10, 3+7 = 10, etc. My basic arithmetic skills got much better after that because I started looking for shortcuts and found my own way to do things.

444 opnion  Thu, Jul 30, 2009 12:51:47pm

re: #416 lawhawk

A mirror image of the way the left portrayed the Bush years. Never acknowledged the recovery after 9/11 or that there was years of growth before the 2008-9 recession began.

The Left never gave Bush any credit for lack of another attack on American soil after 9/11. Very credible people said that it was a certainty.
He took the total blame for Katrina, even theough he batted third after the mayor & governor. They really fouled things up, Nagion even let the buses flood that could hve gotten people out.
They never forgave Bush for the CFlorida recount, evem though imo it was Gore that was trying to steal it imo.

445 debutaunt  Thu, Jul 30, 2009 12:51:51pm

re: #237 doppelganglander

Even I can do simple arithmetic. This girl was frightening. She was probably no more than a year or two out of high school, where she clearly learned nothing. I hope she sticks to working with animals.

How the heck was she supposed to divide 7 pills by 50%? How many pills should be in the bottle? Sorry, didn't mean to add another math concept to the mix. Always doublecheck.

446 avanti  Thu, Jul 30, 2009 12:51:58pm

re: #440 Walter L. Newton

I don't think any of those terms should be used on either side, any side, by anyone, period. And there are plenty enough left leaning racist.

Note the date, we are in agreement.

447 Gus  Thu, Jul 30, 2009 12:52:00pm

re: #432 Walter L. Newton

I asked Killgore to define "right wing" for me, but he is still mad at me for the dust up we had in the past. I've told him I am sorry, and I really mean it. I would like to know how he defines "right wing?" Is it the crazy conservatives like Buchanan or most conservatives, like Fox News and so forth.

Killgore, can we please be friends?

=)

Yeah, I was sitting here trying to find a way to find other financial investors on the right. Let's see, I'm sure that the executives at Exxon would find a recovery something to cheer about. I doubt you'll find many liberals in that bunch.

So now I'm wondering. Can we gauge ideological temperament on anecdotal analysis of internet blogs? How so given that bloggers make up a microcosm of America?

Etc.

448 Dianna  Thu, Jul 30, 2009 12:52:04pm

re: #405 Killgore Trout

KT? You're swinging over into paranoid territory again, and creating a grand conspiracy where none exists.

449 Randall Gross  Thu, Jul 30, 2009 12:52:12pm

re: #441 Killgore Trout

Cindy's still floating around. I think she was going to try to camp out at Bush's ranch again this summer. Not sure if she actually did it though.

Code Pink now focused fully anti-Israel.

450 aggieann  Thu, Jul 30, 2009 12:52:28pm

re: #398 Gus 802

Perfume sets off events in Fort Worth that put 34 in hospitals
BY BILL MILLER AND ANTHONY SPANGLER

I wonder what the trial attorney count will be with this one.

Plenty, if the plaintiffs go through the right chanels.

451 DaddyG  Thu, Jul 30, 2009 12:52:35pm

re: #434 Killgore Trout

ODS sweeping the country...

Sweeping the country? WHen did the mainstream press and hollywood start treating Barak Obama like George Bush?

452 FrogMarch  Thu, Jul 30, 2009 12:52:58pm

re: #402 Eowyn2

Tickets will be free?

*chortle* - not quite. The fat anti-capitalist is a capitalist! A huge one. A huge hypocritical capitalist. Otherwise, yes, tickets would be free.

453 vxbush  Thu, Jul 30, 2009 12:53:02pm

re: #443 doppelganglander

Funny, fractions are one thing I'm pretty good at. I can factor the heck out of a fraction and reduce it like crazy.

As we're talking about math phobia and innumeracy, it occurs to me that the best thing that ever happened to my math skills was playing cards with my dad. He got very impatient when I was slow at counting up my cards, so he taught me to make tens by pairing the cards - 4 +6 =10, 3+7 = 10, etc. My basic arithmetic skills got much better after that because I started looking for shortcuts and found my own way to do things.

I had one good teacher who taught us all sorts of tricks for adding and multiplying quickly; how to easily find 15% tips; how to determine if a number is divisible by 3, etc. Very useful skills that should be taught to every single person.

454 debutaunt  Thu, Jul 30, 2009 12:53:08pm

re: #244 Killgore Trout

Agreed. We should be happy when inflation starts to kick in again. That's what will happen when the economy recovers.

Good luck with that plan.

455 beens21  Thu, Jul 30, 2009 12:53:22pm

re: #442 Thanos

All those groups are focused on anti-Israel demonstrating, Obama owns Afghanistan and Iraq now, so of course they aren't going to be out in force against the wars anymore.

yes I know, but it's amazing how all of that disappeared practically overnight.

456 Sheila Broflovski  Thu, Jul 30, 2009 12:53:29pm

re: #429 Eowyn2

The only Michael M movie I've seen is An American Carole.

That movie was not made by Michael Moore, it's a parody of MM movies.

457 Eowyn2  Thu, Jul 30, 2009 12:53:31pm

re: #382 Walter L. Newton

He's doing a real good job of screwing up on his own...


7) And last but not least, after inviting Crowley and Gates to a party at the White House, you are still stressed because you have no idea if you open a Budweiser with a "twist" or a bottle opener.

Twist

458 Gus  Thu, Jul 30, 2009 12:53:33pm

re: #450 aggieann

Plenty, if the plaintiffs go through the right chanels.

I would think so. I'm pretty sure we'll be seeing more perfume and cologne bans in offices in the future.

459 [deleted]  Thu, Jul 30, 2009 12:53:44pm
460 razorbacker  Thu, Jul 30, 2009 12:53:47pm

I guess that someone else has already noted, but this just in on the birth certificate.

Breaking news, shocking proof that Obama was not born in HI

from the fine folks at Sharp As A Marble.

461 Rancher  Thu, Jul 30, 2009 12:53:53pm

re: #424 Thanos

It's just another way of saying "I'm not a nirther, however"...

He's opportunistically using it as a foil for his point, just as Obama is opportunistically familiar with Muslims when it serves him.


True, I just wanted to point out that he believes Obama is a Christian and an American. And a liar.

462 Killgore Trout  Thu, Jul 30, 2009 12:54:02pm

re: #449 Thanos

It does seem to be their main cause these days. They seem to have lost their desire to oppose American wars with a Dem in the White House.

463 JustABill  Thu, Jul 30, 2009 12:54:10pm

re: #430 lincolntf

Silence!
Accuracy in polling is doubleplusungood. Report for your "beer" at the Central Information Office immediately.

I would rather have a bottle in front of me...

464 DaddyG  Thu, Jul 30, 2009 12:54:10pm

re: #441 Killgore Trout

Cindy's still floating around. I think she was going to try to camp out at Bush's ranch again this summer. Not sure if she actually did it though.

From the looks of her she wasn't careful hanging out at the ranch and stepped on a few rakes that W left lying around the wood pile. /

465 KansasMom  Thu, Jul 30, 2009 12:54:21pm

re: #433 vxbush

So many people were used to calculating sines, cosines, and tangents using calculators that when they had to use tables to find values on the normal or chi-squared distributions they had to be taught from scratch how to use them.

I was taught once how to use log tables and slide rules, but it's been so long now I'm not sure I could do it.

I once had a smart-ass teacher say that calculators weren't allowed for the test, but that anyone who wanted to bring a slide-rule was welcome. My father tried his best to teach me how to use his, but I just didn't get it.
I wish I had tried a little harder at it, would be a neat skill to have.

466 opnion  Thu, Jul 30, 2009 12:54:50pm

re: #434 Killgore Trout

ODS sweeping the country...
Iowa Woman Selling Her TVs - Reason: 'Obama On Every Channel and Station'

I can understand that. Listening him drone on a daily basis is tedious.

467 ErnieG  Thu, Jul 30, 2009 12:54:55pm

re: #433 vxbush

So many people were used to calculating sines, cosines, and tangents using calculators that when they had to use tables to find values on the normal or chi-squared distributions they had to be taught from scratch how to use them.

I was taught once how to use log tables and slide rules, but it's been so long now I'm not sure I could do it.

I use a slide rule all the time. In fact, there's a pocket-size circular slide rule on the desk in front of me right now. It's great to see ratios over a broad range. Although a slide rule won't tell you where the decimal place goes, it will never lie to you about precision. Most real world physical data is only good to about three places, so 12.5% is good; 12.4843% is nonsense.

468 Killgore Trout  Thu, Jul 30, 2009 12:55:35pm

re: #459 MikeySDCA

Re: Cindy

[Link: www.dallasnews.com...]

Lol! I love the pic of her arguing with a nine year old boy! Priceless!

469 lincolntf  Thu, Jul 30, 2009 12:55:49pm

re: #466 opnion

But he won a Grammy!!!

470 Charpete67  Thu, Jul 30, 2009 12:56:06pm

re: #436 avanti

Yep, you are dead nuts correct about the polling weighing.

If I recall, last time around there were a lot of assumptions about higher turnout among youth, black/minority and other typical democratic demographics, but none of that really materialized. I think Rasmussen stuck to his model of likely voters and it proved to still be accurate.

I also know there were some other concerns about telephone polls and a larger percentage of younger voters who use their cell phone as their primary phone, but I don't think that really materialized either.

471 Randall Gross  Thu, Jul 30, 2009 12:56:30pm

re: #461 Rancher

True, I just wanted to point out that he believes Obama is a Christian and an American. And a liar.

Yeah, but nirtherism in all it's forms, even the "however" parts, needs to be unequivocally smacked down whenever it rises. Using it makes McCarthy accomplice in milking the cranks.

472 FrogMarch  Thu, Jul 30, 2009 12:57:24pm

re: #402 Eowyn2

Tickets will be free?

And shouldn't left-wing hollywood have to prove their anti-capitalist bona fides buy agreeing to a 100% tax rate for themselves?

It's only fair.

473 Charpete67  Thu, Jul 30, 2009 12:57:29pm

re: #461 Rancher

True, I just wanted to point out that he believes Obama is a Christian and an American. And a liar.

wouldn't it be much easier to prove he's a communist?

474 vxbush  Thu, Jul 30, 2009 12:57:31pm

re: #467 ErnieG

I use a slide rule all the time. In fact, there's a pocket-size circular slide rule on the desk in front of me right now. It's great to see ratios over a broad range. Although a slide rule won't tell you where the decimal place goes, it will never lie to you about precision. Most real world physical data is only good to about three places, so 12.5% is good; 12.4843% is nonsense.

Yes, that's something else that calculator-centric kids can't understand: that they may have answer but it may be completely meaningless. They can't determine what is a proper result or, as in the case you mention, how many decimal places are reasonable and could be accurate.

475 aggieann  Thu, Jul 30, 2009 12:57:38pm

re: #420 vxbush

I actually have had trouble teaching math below the level of algebra because it's just so obvious for me now. I don't understand why people can't see it. Why fractions are problematic is a mystery to me.

I scored in the 95th percentile on the verbal portion of the GRE and the 17th on the math portion. Fractions make no sense to me at all.

476 wrenchwench  Thu, Jul 30, 2009 12:58:07pm

When Andrew McCarthy says

Obama’s religious background also matters in terms of how he views American policies bearing on the Muslim world.

it is nirtheristic. I think what Obama says and, more importantly, does, matter so much more than whether he was ever a Muslim, that bringing up his religious background and claiming a right to see transcripts is nutty.

477 Gus  Thu, Jul 30, 2009 12:58:09pm

Studies show that Obamaphilia is a known cause of ODS.

There is one known cure.

Kill your TV.

//

478 Charpete67  Thu, Jul 30, 2009 12:58:47pm

re: #477 Gus 802

Studies show that Obamaphilia is a known cause of ODS.

There is one known cure.

Kill your TV.

//

[Link: carrollspaper.1upsoftware.com...]

479 opnion  Thu, Jul 30, 2009 12:59:11pm

re: #451 DaddyG

Sweeping the country? WHen did the mainstream press and hollywood start treating Barak Obama like George Bush?

Bush suffered more personal insults than Obama. Obama does get criticised for his narcissism it's true, but mostly he gets crticised for his nutty policies.
Nobody got personally attacked like Satrah Palin, so it seems to me the Left should approve if Barack & Michelle were treated with the same respect that Bush & Palin were (are)>

480 turn  Thu, Jul 30, 2009 12:59:25pm

re: #465 KansasMom

I once had a smart-ass teacher say that calculators weren't allowed for the test, but that anyone who wanted to bring a slide-rule was welcome. My father tried his best to teach me how to use his, but I just didn't get it.
I wish I had tried a little harder at it, would be a neat skill to have.

One very important thing it teaches you is approximately what number to expect, you have to know what ball park the answer will be in. Too many people (including newbie engineers) don't do this and blindly trust the value displayed on the calculator which can often be wrong due to a bad keystroke. In the first chemistry class I took in college slide rules were mandatory.

481 JustABill  Thu, Jul 30, 2009 12:59:26pm

re: #465 KansasMom

I once had a smart-ass teacher say that calculators weren't allowed for the test, but that anyone who wanted to bring a slide-rule was welcome. My father tried his best to teach me how to use his, but I just didn't get it.
I wish I had tried a little harder at it, would be a neat skill to have.

I was in college around the time programmable calculators first hit the scene. My chemistry prof had a test where he announced moments before the test that calculators would not be allowed, and that you didn't have to actually compute the results to the problems. Just set up the equations and say what variables you would solve for or otherwise detail how the result could be found. About 2/3 of the class failed as they had all programmed the formulas they were supposed to memorize into their calculators. Fortunately, I had an older calculator and had to actually learn the material.

482 Gus  Thu, Jul 30, 2009 1:00:04pm

re: #478 Charpete67

[Link: carrollspaper.1upsoftware.com...]

Link gives me: Service Unavailable

483 Mad Al-Jaffee  Thu, Jul 30, 2009 1:00:11pm

re: #468 Killgore Trout

Lol! I love the pic of her arguing with a nine year old boy! Priceless!

I would love to hear that argument.

484 DaddyG  Thu, Jul 30, 2009 1:00:19pm

re: #467 ErnieG

I use a slide rule all the time. In fact, there's a pocket-size circular slide rule on the desk in front of me right now. It's great to see ratios over a broad range. Although a slide rule won't tell you where the decimal place goes, it will never lie to you about precision. Most real world physical data is only good to about three places, so 12.5% is good; 12.4843% is nonsense.

You have obviously never tried to direct a star ship to Alpha Centauri. /

485 avanti  Thu, Jul 30, 2009 1:00:32pm

re: #422 Walter L. Newton

Rasmussen was the MOST ACCURATE of all the pollers during the last election... (not Nate Silver).

[Link: www.fordham.edu...]

Nate is not a poller, he's the

poll Nazi

486 opnion  Thu, Jul 30, 2009 1:01:12pm

re: #469 lincolntf

But he won a Grammy!!!

That was for the spoken word, right? As I recall it was his books on audio.
Couldn't take it without a shot of novicane.

487 DaddyG  Thu, Jul 30, 2009 1:01:27pm

re: #475 aggieann

I scored in the 95th percentile on the verbal portion of the GRE and the 17th on the math portion. Fractions make no sense to me at all.

So your academic record is only 1/2 bad? /

488 turn  Thu, Jul 30, 2009 1:01:41pm

re: #467 ErnieG

Cool, I haven't picked one up in years. You are right about that precision thing, which is another concept that totally escapes newbie engineers.

489 Killgore Trout  Thu, Jul 30, 2009 1:01:47pm

re: #483 Mad Al-Jaffee

"Poopyhead!"
"DoodyFace!"

490 Son of the Black Dog  Thu, Jul 30, 2009 1:02:02pm

re: #426 CyanSnowHawk

Carter-like inflation, while bad, is hardly 'hyper.' Mugabe-like inflation qualifies for that term.

Didn't think a mild sarc tag was necessary.

491 SixDegrees  Thu, Jul 30, 2009 1:02:18pm

re: #449 Thanos

Code Pink now focused fully anti-Israel.

Cindy's not really part of CP; they latched onto her, like so many other Leftist organizations, because she had the media spotlight and was a useful tool.

She's outlived her welcome, and Code Pink will flush her like a used tampon.

492 aggieann  Thu, Jul 30, 2009 1:02:31pm

re: #487 DaddyG

So your academic record is only 1/2 bad? /

Either that or 50% bad . . .

493 razorbacker  Thu, Jul 30, 2009 1:02:41pm

All I know is, whenever I'm accused of nerdish behavior, my favored response is to slap the offender across both cheeks with my pocket protector, then stab 'em with my slide rule.

Problem solved.

494 Charpete67  Thu, Jul 30, 2009 1:02:47pm

re: #482 Gus 802

Link gives me: Service Unavailable

works for me...

headline is "Carroll woman's answer to highly visible Obama: Selling her televisions"...it's on Drudge today.

495 vxbush  Thu, Jul 30, 2009 1:03:04pm

re: #484 DaddyG

You have obviously never tried to direct a star ship to Alpha Centauri. /

But that points out how amazing it is that Apollo 13 made it home. Their navigational computers were offline when they had to line up for earth and burn with no assistance.

496 vxbush  Thu, Jul 30, 2009 1:03:35pm

re: #493 razorbacker

All I know is, whenever I'm accused of nerdish behavior, my favored response is to slap the offender across both cheeks with my pocket protector, then stab 'em with my slide rule.

Problem solved.

And then you leave your calling card on the body: an old HP 11C...

497 Gus  Thu, Jul 30, 2009 1:05:01pm

re: #494 Charpete67

works for me...

headline is "Carroll woman's answer to highly visible Obama: Selling her televisions"...it's on Drudge today.

Oh, right, KT mentioned that. It's pretty funny and she sounds like a hoot.

In the $5.50 ad, Nissen tells readers she has two television sets for sale.

The reason: "Obama on every channel and station."

In an interview Nissen said she is serious about selling two TVs - and genuine about her disgust with what she believes to be an overexposed president.

"I just got tired of watching him on every channel," Nissen said. "I thought, my gosh, does he ever stay at the White House?"

Now she can use that money to buy cup cakes. /

498 razorbacker  Thu, Jul 30, 2009 1:05:15pm

re: #496 vxbush

And then you leave your calling card on the body: an old HP 11C...

Who was that dark stranger with the taped-bridge glasses?

499 doppelganglander  Thu, Jul 30, 2009 1:05:27pm

re: #445 debutaunt

How the heck was she supposed to divide 7 pills by 50%? How many pills should be in the bottle? Sorry, didn't mean to add another math concept to the mix. Always doublecheck.

I did. The label said 7 pills, I had 7 pills. The dose is one-half of a pill. In fact, the pills were precut for me. You're right, giving me 3 1/2 pills would have been problematic. She couldn't make that leap from 7 pills to 14 doses. I'm just glad the vet handled the prescription and all she did was take my money. (Debit card - she managed just fine.)

500 turn  Thu, Jul 30, 2009 1:05:43pm

re: #481 JustABill

I was in college around the time programmable calculators first hit the scene. My chemistry prof had a test where he announced moments before the test that calculators would not be allowed, and that you didn't have to actually compute the results to the problems. Just set up the equations and say what variables you would solve for or otherwise detail how the result could be found. About 2/3 of the class failed as they had all programmed the formulas they were supposed to memorize into their calculators. Fortunately, I had an older calculator and had to actually learn the material.


When I took the PE exam I was missing one tiny piece of information to come up with a numerical answer so I just carried the variable through and wrote an algebraic expression. I guess it worked, I have my PE.

501 Rancher  Thu, Jul 30, 2009 1:06:12pm

re: #471 Thanos

Yeah, but nirtherism in all it's forms, even the "however" parts, needs to be unequivocally smacked down whenever it rises. Using it makes McCarthy accomplice in milking the cranks.


He does smack them down but yes, he is also milking it.

re: #473 Charpete67

wouldn't it be much easier to prove he's a communist?

I told my wife he was but she voted more on emotion than fact. Many believed he was a centrist and Rasmussen aside many still see the blush on the rose. This in the face of government controlled banks, auto companies, and coming soon, health care. CBBHO

502 Eowyn2  Thu, Jul 30, 2009 1:06:25pm

re: #360 Yashmak

Mechanical. It's probably a matter of different schools labelling the math courses differently. As far as I know, the only degrees requiring completion of math above the level I completed are actual Mathematics degrees and graduate level physics degrees.

Also, requirements may have changed. I got my degree 14 years ago.

I got my degree in 91 from a school specializing in Mining, Geological and Petroleum Engineering. No Mechanical Engineers. The only engineering program they had that did not require math past the diffeq level was the Environmental Engineers.
It wasn't really the math that kept me from going for the engineer degree, it was the damn Chemistry table. Never liked it. Was always afraid of it. Chemiphobia? I could have stayed in college for one more year and gotten a math degree as well as the CS. I needed the 400 level math, two physics labs and upper level physics. Of course, by the time I was done with them, I'd only need a few engineering classes to be an engineer and so on and so on and so on.

503 Van Helsing  Thu, Jul 30, 2009 1:06:58pm

re: #450 aggieann

Plenty, if the plaintiffs go through the right chanels.

This Obsession with puns can be pure Poison...

504 Gus  Thu, Jul 30, 2009 1:07:48pm

re: #503 Van Helsing

This Obsession with puns can be pure Poison...

Not if you got through the right Chanel.

505 Charpete67  Thu, Jul 30, 2009 1:08:31pm

re: #504 Gus 802

Not if you got through the right Chanel.

Puns stink

506 debutaunt  Thu, Jul 30, 2009 1:09:23pm

re: #499 doppelganglander

I did. The label said 7 pills, I had 7 pills. The dose is one-half of a pill. In fact, the pills were precut for me. You're right, giving me 3 1/2 pills would have been problematic. She couldn't make that leap from 7 pills to 14 doses. I'm just glad the vet handled the prescription and all she did was take my money. (Debit card - she managed just fine.)

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAAA

507 DaddyG  Thu, Jul 30, 2009 1:09:26pm

re: #495 vxbush

But that points out how amazing it is that Apollo 13 made it home. Their navigational computers were offline when they had to line up for earth and burn with no assistance.

A-ha more proof the Apollo moon landings were faked! There is no way they could have done that without a working computer! /its the troof

508 ArchangelMichael  Thu, Jul 30, 2009 1:09:41pm

re: #388 Killgore Trout


Here reposted from: [Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

[Link: www.investopedia.com...]

The terms "debt" and "borrowing" are used quite a bit.

Bonds are debt, whereas stocks are equity. This is the important distinction between the two securities. By purchasing equity (stock) an investor becomes an owner in a corporation. Ownership comes with voting rights and the right to share in any future profits. By purchasing debt (bonds) an investor becomes a creditor to the corporation (or government).

Important info highlighted...

20 minutes of snail slow searching to find the thread, for you. Now take back the claims of lying.

509 eschew_obfuscation  Thu, Jul 30, 2009 1:09:50pm

re: #495 vxbush

But that points out how amazing it is that Apollo 13 made it home. Their navigational computers were offline when they had to line up for earth and burn with no assistance.

And even if they were online, those things weren't much better than a four-function calculator. They used old technology even for the day because it was reliable (usually - not so much in this case).

510 Charpete67  Thu, Jul 30, 2009 1:10:20pm

re: #507 DaddyG

A-ha more proof the Apollo moon landings were faked! There is no way they could have done that without a working computer! /its the troof

...Nevada desert my friends...google it...//

511 Eowyn2  Thu, Jul 30, 2009 1:10:46pm

re: #452 FrogMarch

*chortle* - not quite. The fat anti-capitalist is a capitalist! A huge one. A huge hypocritical capitalist. Otherwise, yes, tickets would be free.

It's only bad money when someone else has it.

512 vxbush  Thu, Jul 30, 2009 1:11:18pm

re: #509 eschew_obfuscation

And even if they were online, those things weren't much better than a four-function calculator. They used old technology even for the day because it was reliable (usually - not so much in this case).

Yes, and programming those computers took so many punchcards. Amazing.

513 eschew_obfuscation  Thu, Jul 30, 2009 1:13:06pm

re: #512 vxbush

Yes, and programming those computers took so many punchcards. Amazing.

Dropping your tray was the equivalent of a hard disk crash ;-)

514 Van Helsing  Thu, Jul 30, 2009 1:13:45pm

re: #512 vxbush

Yes, and programming those computers took so many punchcards. Amazing.

Punchcards... shudder.
Screw up something after typing 65 characters...
Thank goodness for the 'DUP' key.

515 Gus  Thu, Jul 30, 2009 1:14:46pm

Hasta later.

516 Digital Display  Thu, Jul 30, 2009 1:15:03pm

re: #453 vxbush

I had one good teacher who taught us all sorts of tricks for adding and multiplying quickly; how to easily find 15% tips; how to determine if a number is divisible by 3, etc. Very useful skills that should be taught to every single person.


Slip and flip saved me from complex fractions...whew!
I'm a big shortcut kindof guy..

517 Rancher  Thu, Jul 30, 2009 1:17:12pm

MythBusters took a look at all the "facts" surrounding the fake moon landings conspiracy and busted every one. I only had to ask how many people would be required to stay silent if it were indeed faked. In my town if two people know a secret it's not a secret.

518 Cato the Elder  Thu, Jul 30, 2009 1:18:12pm

re: #406 Thanos

The quickest way out of debt would be to Boom the economy. There are a few ways to do that across several sectors:

1. Cut gov't red tape on nuclear energy
2. allow more offshore drilling
3. Coast to Coast high speed freight rail
4. Open some land in the West for homesteading
5. Deregulate Shipping and Ship building
6. Allow commercial nuclear powered shipping
7. Revise what's conventional and non conventional for FHA loans with an eye toward new century building.
8. Electrify all interstates

Those are just a few I came up with that in less than two minutes. All have potential regardless of what naysayers might coo about.

Passenger rail, too, please. Coast-to-coast and intercity. There's no fappin' reason in the world why the only choices for going from San Diego to Santa Fe should be drive or fly.

519 Rancher  Thu, Jul 30, 2009 1:22:24pm

re: #514 Van Helsing

Punchcards... shudder.
Screw up something after typing 65 characters...
Thank goodness for the 'DUP' key.


Whats in those boxes? My program. I remember those days, along with the slide rule and the chariot.

520 Cato the Elder  Thu, Jul 30, 2009 1:26:39pm

re: #519 Rancher

Whats in those boxes? My program. I remember those days, along with the slide rule and the chariot.

You had chariots? We were happy to have feet.

521 Render  Thu, Jul 30, 2009 1:26:41pm

As far as I'm concerned there are but three "war correspondents" active in covering this war.

Bill Roggio, Michael Yon, and Michael Totten.

Anybody wanna bet that Phoney Document Dan doesn't know who any of them are and has never read a word or seen a photo of theirs?

=

You flushed your own career and led the wreck of industry that employed you Phoney Document Dan, how about you and Malfeasance Mapes go get jobs running the copy machines at the local Kinko's?

Oh wait...I doubt even Kinko's would hire a pair of exposed pathological liars.

SKATE
BOARD,
R

522 buster  Thu, Jul 30, 2009 1:29:37pm

re: #513 eschew_obfuscation

Dropping your tray was the equivalent of a hard disk crash ;-)

Then you could use them to make Christmas wreaths. All you needed was some tape, a stapler and gold (or silver) spray paint!

523 vxbush  Thu, Jul 30, 2009 1:36:21pm

re: #522 buster

Then you could use them to make Christmas wreaths. All you needed was some tape, a stapler and gold (or silver) spray paint!

Sequins. Gotta have sequins.

524 KansasMom  Thu, Jul 30, 2009 1:37:25pm

re: #480 turn

One very important thing it teaches you is approximately what number to expect, you have to know what ball park the answer will be in. Too many people (including newbie engineers) don't do this and blindly trust the value displayed on the calculator which can often be wrong due to a bad keystroke. In the first chemistry class I took in college slide rules were mandatory.

I agree completely! Significant digits and Free Body Diagrams don't appear to be on the engineering curriculum anymore.

525 eschew_obfuscation  Thu, Jul 30, 2009 1:38:17pm

re: #522 buster

Then you could use them to make Christmas wreaths. All you needed was some tape, a stapler and gold (or silver) spray paint!

I knew them as "5081 cards" (the form number, I believe). I had boxes of them for years in the late 70's, early 80's that I used for note cards.

526 Render  Thu, Jul 30, 2009 1:58:57pm

re: #491 SixDegrees

I was under the impression that she ran with the Code Pink crowd long before they became Code Pink.

I am also convinced beyond any shadow of a doubt that she is anti-Semitic and a troofer. That's documented.

EXPOSURE,
R

527 [deleted]  Thu, Jul 30, 2009 2:30:31pm
528 Kenneth  Thu, Jul 30, 2009 2:31:03pm

re: #475 aggieann

I scored in the 95th percentile on the verbal portion of the GRE and the 17th on the math portion. Fractions make no sense to me at all.

If fractions make no sense then the term "percentile" should not mean anything to you: it's a fraction.

529 ladycatnip  Thu, Jul 30, 2009 2:40:55pm

Rather: Save us Obi-Won Kenobi!

530 yochanan  Thu, Jul 30, 2009 2:57:50pm

dan blater as minister of propaganda

531 gDavid  Thu, Jul 30, 2009 3:03:33pm

I watched a movie back in the 60's that had something similar. Newspapers losing business. A reporter who reported facts on the local government people who happened to be friends with the editor, had to attend a class on journalism. The instructor was telling the students to make people happy and tell what was wanted to be heard. The "crusty reporter" got hot and told the instructor that the only way a newspaper could stay in business and be competitive was to hold to three tenants of being a reporter. The three tenants were, are, and always be, "Accuracy, Accuracy, and Accuracy." I feel that if this were pounded into the heads of reporters, editors, commentators, anyone in the news business that the newspapers would have a lot larger following.

532 dak  Thu, Jul 30, 2009 3:21:31pm

Funny how Socialism is installing itself so fast... Now the government has to fix every problem.

I guess the media is not so "fiercely independant" and speaking truth to power anymore... hey Dan?

533 EaterOfFood  Thu, Jul 30, 2009 3:28:41pm

re: #14 buzzsawmonkey

Saving the "free" press by making it the kept lapdog of the government?

Oh, yeah--that'll work.

Right up there with "war is peace, ignorance is strength, freedom is slavery."

534 EaterOfFood  Thu, Jul 30, 2009 3:29:10pm

re: #532 dak


I guess the media is not so "fiercely independant" and speaking truth to power anymore... hey Dan?

They've always been independent thinkers. They don't depend on the ability to think.

535 RexMundi  Thu, Jul 30, 2009 3:52:51pm

re: #103 Dianna

Me, neither. But Swaggart fascinates me. I'm always intrigued by people who are both sincere and wildly hypocritical. How one would write that so it makes some kind of psychological sense? I'm not that good.

Try the character of Giaus Baltar in Battlestar Galactica.

536 MittDoesNotCompute  Thu, Jul 30, 2009 4:24:43pm

re: #120 Cathypop

Would some one please take this man on a one-way fishing trip? Pretty Please?

So Dan is Fredo?

///

537 Right Brain  Thu, Jul 30, 2009 5:42:29pm

War correspondents? Like Michael Yon no doubt. [Link: www.michaelyon-online.com...]

538 Muadib  Thu, Jul 30, 2009 6:28:42pm

Note to Mr. Rather: Decades of reporting journalism community activism have come back to bite you fools in the ass. What is happening now is nothing less than poetic justice.

539 threnody  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 9:49:39am

So does Dan Rather want a free and independent press, or does he want the press to be in debt to the government? Or is he just counting on all of us being too stupid to recognize that you can't have both? I thought it was the job of a journalist to expose dishonesty, not to propagate it. Mr. Rather evidently thinks otherwise.

540 Ursus Maritimus  Sat, Aug 1, 2009 4:18:40am

I'd rather have one Yon than a hundred Rathers and Arnetts


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