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1 gmsc  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 2:16:22pm

Wait - Joe Biden doesn’t count?

2 Fenway_Nation  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 2:18:13pm

Can we trade in this whole administration?

3 Shug  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 2:19:10pm

Clunkers thrown under the clunker

4 irongrampa  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 2:19:21pm

re: #1 gmsc

No retail value.

5 albusteve  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 2:19:30pm

89 Porsche Carrera…huh?…SCRAP IT PETE!

6 Cato the Elder  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 2:19:34pm

As I said earlier today:

I wonder how many buyers convinced themselves they could afford the payments ‘cause of the “free money” and will end up having their shiny new so-called high-mpg rides repo’d.

7 Fenway_Nation  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 2:20:00pm

re: #6 Cato the Elder

Subprime auto lending…

8 albusteve  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 2:20:19pm

no Avanti’s are listed…extreme bummer

9 cronus  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 2:20:48pm

But are we stuck with this 2008 Hope-N-Change with the defective worldview?

10 Shug  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 2:20:50pm

Henrietta Hughes has already traded in her 1977 Lincoln Town Car for a new Bentley.

Ignore the fine print about that balloon payment, Henrietta

11 midwestgak  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 2:21:27pm

Just posted this on the previous thread. Do not login to cars.gov. You eventually reach an “agree” screen which basically says your computer and all information on it will become the property of the government.

12 irongrampa  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 2:21:34pm

So there goes viable transportation for people who can’t afford new, but would benefit from a good used vehicle. Not to mention the ripple effects—repair parts sales. etc.

Can you say unintended consequences?

13 wahabicorridor  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 2:21:52pm

There was some guy on Cavuto saying that when Germany tried a similar pgm, AT LEAST 10% of the clunkers that were supposed to be destroyed ended up in places in South America, etc.

No black market there, no sirree.

14 Fenway_Nation  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 2:22:01pm

re: #8 albusteve

An drcordells, just my views or Austin blues?

15 Kragar  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 2:22:01pm

How much will they give me for my bitchin’ Camarro?

16 Honorary Yooper  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 2:22:06pm

re: #8 albusteve

no Avanti’s are listed…extreme bummer

Too old, but I was surprised at some of the cars on the list, and some of the cars removed from this list.

17 CynicalConservative  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 2:22:06pm

re: #11 midwestgak

Just posted this on the previous thread. Do not login to cars.gov. You eventually reach an “agree” screen which basically says your computer and all information on it will become the property of the government.

WTF?

18 unrealizedviewpoint  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 2:22:11pm

A friend of mine desperately needs a new car and wanted to take advantage of the clunker program. Her car caught fire and the insurance company totaled it, and paid her $6000. Then she bought it back from them as salvage for a few hundred, had it repaired, then re-registered it in her name. No problem right? Nope. Because the vehicle was out of her name, not registered continuously for the last 12 months the vehicle doesn’t qualify.

19 gmsc  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 2:22:13pm

re: #9 cronus

But are we stuck with this 2008 Hope-N-Change with the defective worldview?

Well, sure there have been a few problems…

20 Shug  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 2:22:36pm

re: #14 Fenway_Nation

An drcordells, just my views or Austin blues?

they fall into the Cash for Wankers program

21 cronus  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 2:22:39pm

re: #10 Shug

Henrietta Hughes has already traded in her 1977 Lincoln Town Car for a new Bentley.

Ignore the fine print about that balloon payment, Henrietta

A pretty well designed program for putting consumers deeper into debt than they already were.

22 Fast Eddie  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 2:23:13pm

Just imagine how much new cars sales are going to crater once this program is over.

23 albusteve  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 2:23:41pm

re: #15 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

How much will they give me for my bitchin’ Camarro?

this one?…less than nothing

Image: 67Camaro_resized.jpg

24 CynicalConservative  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 2:24:14pm

re: #22 Fast Eddie

Just imagine how much new cars sales are going to crater once this program is over.

It will never be over with the D’s in power, extend, extend, extend; rinse; repeat.

25 opnion  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 2:24:52pm

Obama does one dumb as a stone program after another & his minions still consider him brilliant.

26 CynicalConservative  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 2:25:05pm

re: #24 CynicalConservative

It will never be over with the D’s in power, extend, extend, extend; rinse; repeat.

Gotta keep buying votes on the backs of the producer class.

27 Shug  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 2:25:33pm

re: #22 Fast Eddie

Just imagine how much new cars sales are going to crater once this program is over.

Think of the jobs creation for Repo men

28 gmsc  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 2:25:38pm

re: #23 albusteve

this one?…less than nothing

[Link: blog.hemmings.com…]

But there is hope, according to an ad I just saw …

“Hi friends, Goldie Wilson III for Wilson Hover Conversion Systems. You know, when my Grandpa was Mayor of Hill Valley, he had to worry about traffic problems. But now, you don’t have to worry about traffic. I’ll hover convert your old road car into a skyway flyer! For only $39,999.95. So come on down and see me Goldie Wilson III, at any one of our 29 convenient locations. Remember, keep ‘em flying!”

29 irongrampa  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 2:25:43pm

re: #23 albusteve

Heh. I’ve seen worse than that restored.

30 Mikey_Dallas  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 2:25:44pm

Anybody know why Infiniti’s are not on any of the lists? Either the OK list or the Not OK list. No Infiniti’s of any model.

31 karmic_inquisitor  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 2:25:51pm

More Cash for Clunkers this week after the Obama Admin sent the Palestinians more money last week under their “Cash for Clenchers” program.

32 Eowyn2  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 2:25:53pm

re: #15 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

How much will they give me for my bitchin’ Camarro?


Oh MG. Are you my son? He would love to get rid of his Camarro!

33 Honorary Yooper  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 2:26:29pm

re: #30 Mikey_Dallas

Anybody know why Infiniti’s are not on any of the lists? Either the OK list or the Not OK list. No Infiniti’s of any model.

Nissan still makes Infinitis?
/sarc

34 calcajun  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 2:26:42pm

None of the cars I ever owned would make the list. Sigh.

35 P. Aaron  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 2:26:53pm

TEACHABLE MOMENT: STOP ELECTING DEMOCRATS!

36 albusteve  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 2:26:54pm

give ya $3500 for that piece of shit


[Link: www.seriouswheels.com…]

37 mikalm  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 2:27:09pm

re: #15 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

How much will they give me for my bitchin’ Camarro?

You just had to give me another excuse to post a video, didn’t you?

(Beware of bad language and tasteless humor!)

38 KenJen  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 2:27:25pm

re: #32 Eowyn2

Oh MG. Are you my son? He would love to get rid of his Camarro!

I can’t remember the last time I’ve seen a Camero. Do they still make them?

39 irongrampa  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 2:27:52pm

None of our vehicles would qualify.

Like I really give a shit.

40 Mikey_Dallas  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 2:27:56pm

re: #33 Honorary Yooper

Nissan still makes Infinitis?
/sarc

Sure they do. I have an ‘97 I30. On the same wheel base as the Nissan Maxima. They don’t make the I30 anymore, but Infiniti still is made by Nissan.

41 Dianna  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 2:28:06pm

re: #11 midwestgak

Just posted this on the previous thread. Do not login to cars.gov. You eventually reach an “agree” screen which basically says your computer and all information on it will become the property of the government.

I’m on the site right now. Please tell me where to click so I can investigate this.

42 CynicalConservative  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 2:28:08pm

re: #38 KenJen

I can’t remember the last time I’ve seen a Camero. Do they still make them?

Just started again this year.

43 wintercat  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 2:28:10pm

I don’t understand the program. Are these cars they will give you money to turn in and cars they won’t give you money to turn in? Or are these cars they will pay you to buy?

44 Fenway_Nation  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 2:28:32pm

re: #13 wahabicorridor

Japan does this all the time w/SUVs from Toyota, Mitsubishi or Suzuki- I think by making it almost imposible to own a vehicle more than 3-5 years at a time with stringent inspections.

Alot of them wind up in South America, too. The thing is, the Japanese drive on the ‘wrong’ side of the road (like the UK or Australia) while the countries they wind up in (Bolivia, Peru) drive on the same side of the road as we do…so in those countries there’s a cottage industry on swapping out lefthand/righthand side steering and gauges on the Japanese cars…

/learned this watching a special on El Camino de Muerte in Bolivia, the world’s most dangerous highway.

45 Honorary Yooper  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 2:28:41pm

re: #38 KenJen

I can’t remember the last time I’ve seen a Camero. Do they still make them?

They were discontinued in the late 1990s (Camero and Firebird), and the Camero was recently brought back as a 2010 model.

46 DEZes  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 2:28:47pm

re: #38 KenJen

I can’t remember the last time I’ve seen a Camero. Do they still make them?

2009 Camaro

47 Eowyn2  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 2:29:01pm

re: #31 karmic_inquisitor

More Cash for Clunkers this week after the Obama Admin sent the Palestinians more money last week under their “Cash for Clenchers” program.

You have hit upon the solution.
Cars for Clenchers. No need to worry about what to do with all those cars. The clenchers will do car swarms on them and recycle everything.

48 CynicalConservative  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 2:29:03pm

re: #38 KenJen

I can’t remember the last time I’ve seen a Camero. Do they still make them?

[Link: www23.chevrolet.com…]

49 albusteve  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 2:29:05pm

re: #29 irongrampa

Heh. I’ve seen worse than that restored.

you can buy the entire body after factory…nobody would restore that pile…unless they were clinically bored

50 Cato the Elder  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 2:29:13pm

Also mentioned this before:

I came across a new term yesterday: “carbon-tainted”.

That would be anything that, in the opinion of the self-appointed CO2 monitor in question, requires “too much” carbon to produce, transport, purchase, store, or maintain.

Probably includes a good portion of the non-PC population, as well.

Being a carbon-based life form, I instantly reached for my revolver.

Now I’ve looked it up on Google and find a total of 210 hits, not all of them meant in the sense used here.

The wave of eco-fascism in our future will include “shaming” of consumers who buy “carbon-tainted” products. Mostly poor people, I’m guessing, who can’t afford to shop at farmer’s markets.

51 pink freud  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 2:29:16pm

re: #41 Dianna

I’m on the site right now. Please tell me where to click so I can investigate this.

Bottom right, ‘dealers’, I believe

52 Shug  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 2:29:17pm

Can you imagine if we normalize relations with Cuba…


Clunkers as far as the eye can see !

53 Mikey_Dallas  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 2:29:23pm

re: #43 wintercat

I don’t understand the program. Are these cars they will give you money to turn in and cars they won’t give you money to turn in? Or are these cars they will pay you to buy?

If you own an approved car, then you can get treated at hospitals. If you don’t, too freakin bad, go die somewhere quietly.

54 gmsc  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 2:29:30pm

I see my Canyonero didn’t make the list.

55 VegasRick  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 2:29:49pm

re: #38 KenJen

I can’t remember the last time I’ve seen a Camero. Do they still make them?

Think “Transformers”.

56 albusteve  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 2:30:02pm

re: #38 KenJen

I can’t remember the last time I’ve seen a Camero. Do they still make them?

2010 and they are bad ass…faster than a speeding bullet

57 wintercat  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 2:30:05pm

re: #53 Mikey_Dallas

If you own an approved car, then you can get treated at hospitals. If you don’t, too freakin bad, go die somewhere quietly.

Oh, ok. Thanks.
/

58 kansas  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 2:30:14pm

re: #52 Shug

Can you imagine if we normalize relations with Cuba…

Clunkers as far as the eye can see !

How’s pollution down there?

59 wrenchwench  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 2:30:34pm

Shoot. Thought it was going to be about your Schwinn.

60 cronus  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 2:30:52pm

re: #54 gmsc

CANYONEROOO

61 Fenway_Nation  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 2:30:54pm

re: #54 gmsc

I see my Canyonero didn’t make the list.

‘Those unexplained fires are a matter for the courts…’

62 HoosierHoops  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 2:31:02pm

General Motors needs to change their Domain name to gm.gov

63 KenJen  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 2:31:03pm

re: #43 wintercat

I don’t understand the program. Are these cars they will give you money to turn in and cars they won’t give you money to turn in? Or are these cars they will pay you to buy?

It’s simple really. You turn in your old car and get free health care for the rest of your life.

64 midwestgak  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 2:31:08pm

re: #41 Dianna

I’m on the site right now. Please tell me where to click so I can investigate this.

At the home page, click the second icon on the right hand side. Be careful.

65 Dianna  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 2:31:11pm

re: #51 pink freud

Bottom right, ‘dealers’, I believe

Off to test.

I will return with a report.

66 Honorary Yooper  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 2:31:30pm

One of the few cars I see missing from the list is the Wagon Queen Family Truckster.

If you think you hate it now, wait till you drive it!

67 opnion  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 2:31:44pm

I think taking that clunker cash from the government is crazy.
I’m holdiing out to recieve an email from a Nigerian Prince to give
me millions for my old car.
I’ll just give him a little personal info & then wait for him to come pick up
the car & give me the cash.

68 albusteve  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 2:31:47pm
69 wiffersnapper  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 2:31:49pm

But my clunker can eat your prius

70 unrealizedviewpoint  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 2:31:51pm

re: #11 midwestgak

Just posted this on the previous thread. Do not login to cars.gov. You eventually reach an “agree” screen which basically says your computer and all information on it will become the property of the government.

When I first read this I thought you were kidding. I suppose you mean that dealers who use the system are clicking away their privacy rights to their computer systems when the log on?

71 midwestgak  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 2:31:53pm

re: #65 Dianna

Off to test.

I will return with a report.

Brave Dianna.

72 Lincolntf  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 2:31:55pm

The Clunker plan was great when it was unveiled!
It was great when it failed!
It’s great now that it’s back!

Anyone else seeing a pattern here?

73 J.S.  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 2:32:10pm

Wonder if Americans living abroad are eligible…(just joking). (CNN says you have to act fast, since this program appears to be running out of money…and, it’ll probably get scuttled).

74 Mikey_Dallas  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 2:32:30pm

Obamacare or Obamacar - just as long as you know that Obamacares

75 Honorary Yooper  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 2:32:58pm

re: #73 J.S.

Wonder if Americans living abroad are eligible…(just joking). (CNN says you have to act fast, since this program appears to be running out of money…and, it’ll probably get scuttled).

Detroit said they’d need at least $4 billion to make it work. As usual, Washington fails to listen to reality.

76 KenJen  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 2:32:59pm

Nap time. Have a great weekend everyone.

77 Kragar  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 2:33:21pm

So when do they plan to list the disqualified conditions for the Obamacare program?

78 turn  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 2:33:23pm

The only clunker I want to get rid of is up my right nostril right now. Later lizards, time to go walk the lab along the American.

79 arethusa  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 2:33:41pm

And we should trust the government with things like health insurance?

80 unrealizedviewpoint  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 2:33:41pm

re: #63 KenJen

It’s simple really. You turn in your old car and get free health care for the rest of your life.

Isn’t that the idea behind GM (Govt Motors), free lifetime healthcare for your automobile?

81 Dianna  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 2:34:29pm

OK, so far, all I’ve found is a “sign up for info” page. Which I did.

This is all I got:

Your information has been submitted. Thanks!
A confirmation email is on its way and should arrive shortly.

Note: To ensure proper delivery of our emails, take a moment now and add us - info@cars.gov - to your address book, trusted sender list, or company white list.

I see nothing about my computer becoming government property?

Should I look elsewhere?

82 Mikey_Dallas  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 2:34:31pm

Dealers better be careful. Nancy Pee (“urine the money”) Losi will soon be ranting against the greedy car salesmen who get a bonus for selling a lot of cares through this deal.

83 wrenchwench  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 2:34:36pm

re: #76 KenJen

Nap time. Have a great weekend everyone.

Great weekend? Gonna be a long nap?

/Enjoy!

84 opnion  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 2:34:55pm

re: #72 Lincolntf

The Clunker plan was great when it was unveiled!
It was great when it failed!
It’s great now that it’s back!

Anyone else seeing a pattern here?

Yeah, we never said that the stimulus woud jolt the economy, just cause we said that it would jolt the economy.
Who said anything about Jolt?

85 HoosierHoops  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 2:34:55pm

I need to get the Gov’t grant to buy a new Yellow Convertible Beemer…
My wife says she’ll divorce me if do..So it’s really a win-win situation.
*wink*

86 Dianna  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 2:35:20pm

re: #70 unrealizedviewpoint

When I first read this I thought you were kidding. I suppose you mean that dealers who use the system are clicking away their privacy rights to their computer systems when the log on?

I can’t find anything that looks even vaguely what midwestgak is writing about.

87 midwestgak  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 2:35:49pm

re: #81 Dianna

OK, so far, all I’ve found is a “sign up for info” page. Which I did.

This is all I got:

I see nothing about my computer becoming government property?

Should I look elsewhere?

Try the second icon on the right.

88 [deleted]  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 2:35:52pm
89 Dianna  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 2:36:01pm

re: #71 midwestgak

Brave Dianna.

Where did you get this? Do you have anything more specific?

Are you sure this isn’t a joke?

90 Lincolntf  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 2:36:07pm

re: #84 opnion

Great!

91 kynna  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 2:36:09pm

If only conservatives had supported the plan it would have worked.
//

92 HoosierHoops  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 2:36:17pm

re: #86 Dianna

I can’t find anything that looks even vaguely what midwestgak is writing about.

Let me try the site map Dianna..BRB

93 Shug  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 2:36:27pm

re: #58 kansas

How’s pollution down there?

There is no pollution comrade!

94 SixDegrees  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 2:36:28pm

re: #30 Mikey_Dallas

Anybody know why Infiniti’s are not on any of the lists? Either the OK list or the Not OK list. No Infiniti’s of any model.

This is the EPA Fuckup List, not the list of eligible vehicles.

You have to use mileage figures obtained from the EPA website in order to determine eligibility for the program. The website has been up for a while now, and deals have been being struck since the first of the month, although the paperwork stream didn’t open up until the 24th. Just a few days ago, lots of cars on the list had their mileage changed, without explanation; this hosed over some deals that had already been made that were waiting for the paperwork to go through. Several other cars were added to the list that had been ineligible before. The EPA and the Administration, of course, never even thought about making good on those deals that suddenly went sour because of the unexplained data change; those who had cut early deals found themselves screwed.

Anyway, there are over 3000 cars on the list altogether; the couple hundred on this list are just the ones that changed mileage in midstream. Google “Cash for Clunkers” and you’ll get to the entire listing.

95 gmsc  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 2:36:39pm

re: #52 Shug

Can you imagine if we normalize relations with Cuba…

Clunkers as far as the eye can see !

Cars that should really qualify for this program:

Frankenbumper
Finally Found A Use For Jonas Bros. CD
Words Fail Me
Sunroof’s Stuck
Handbrake Or Anti-Theft Device?
That Chain Lock Will Keep Them Out
Put That Poor Car Out Of Its Misery

96 Dianna  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 2:36:43pm

re: #87 midwestgak

Try the second icon on the right.

Which page, what icon?

97 gmsc  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 2:37:49pm

re: #87 midwestgak

Try the second icon on the right.

…and straight on ‘til morning!

98 CyanSnowHawk  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 2:37:59pm

re: #22 Fast Eddie

Just imagine how much new cars sales are going to crater once this program is over.

Why do you think they just pumped another $2Billion into it? They know.

99 albusteve  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 2:38:28pm

re: #85 HoosierHoops

I need to get the Gov’t grant to buy a new Yellow Convertible Beemer…
My wife says she’ll divorce me if do..So it’s really a win-win situation.
*wink*

get real…Beemers are for sissies

100 Shug  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 2:39:32pm

I need a new Car next Spring . I’m gonna get a Ford.

they didn’t go begging after all.

101 Kragar  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 2:39:35pm

re: #99 albusteve

get real…Beemers are for sissies

Why do you think the wife wants a divorce?

/sorry, could not just let that one slide by

102 SixDegrees  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 2:39:39pm

re: #11 midwestgak

Just posted this on the previous thread. Do not login to cars.gov. You eventually reach an “agree” screen which basically says your computer and all information on it will become the property of the government.

Please post the URL of this alleged screen. I smell bullshit.

103 yochanan  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 2:39:44pm

well now we know what to look for at the junk yard

at least the junk yard dogs will make $$$

104 calcajun  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 2:39:50pm

How about the Wagon Queen Family Truckster— did it make the list?

105 Dianna  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 2:40:12pm

Well, I’m going to go have a glass of wine before I run home.

I have braved the dangers of Cars.gov but not found the crouching tiger.

Talk to you all on Monday. No chance to even look at a computer this weekend.

Take care!

106 pink freud  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 2:40:43pm

Doppleganglander has done some digging on that Kos poll and posted on the last thread:
[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com…]

I went to Research 2000’s web site: [Link: research2000.us…] They are hardly the non-partisan polling firm they claim to be. The president of the company, Delair Ali, has a blog on the front page. Here’s the current entry:

Between the birthers, daily racism and xenophobia that pollutes the discourse in our great nation, I was thinking that the phrase “the inmates are running the asylum” defines the present situation best. However, it seems to obvious so I thought about what the late and brilliant play writer, Eugene Ionesco would be thinking if he were alive today. Mr Ionesco was one the brilliant writers of The Theater of the Absurd which was a best seller and was one of Broadway’s funniest plays historically when it first premiered in 1961. In a nutshell, the play focused on a culture that as “characters caught in hopeless situations forced to do repetitive or meaningless actions; dialogue full of cliches, wordplay, and nonsense; plots that are cyclical or absurdly expansive; either a parody or a dismissal of realism”. Ah, Yes, “a dismissal of realism” comes to mind when I watch the you tube at the town hall meeting in Delaware. Congressman Mike Castle, an honorable man and public servant looked horrified when a woman, who resembled the late Magna Goebells bellowed her vile accusation that Barack Obama is not an American citizen. This claim is supported as of this writing by nine members of Congress and of course America’s Racist of the airwaves, Rush Limbaugh and other advocates of hate.

And then there’s this gem, referring to Rush Limbaugh:

Let me make it clear that I will continue to be the same non partisan pollster as I have been for over the past 20 years when it comes to the quality of my work. If that is not good enough for our clients or prospective clients, then to hell with all of you, particularly if you feel that way after you read the list. In fact, I hope my media clients will go after this cowardly slob and take him down once and for all.


He then proceeds to list 10 “quotes” Rush never said. (Some of them I recognize as similar to things Rush actually said, but they are highly distorted to make Rush appear racist.) Real non-partisan, huh?

The site is unprofessional. It’s done in Wordpress and is for the most part badly out of date. There are no links to the actual polls with internals, as you’d find at Gallup or Rasmussen, only links to the stories about the polls (basically republishing their press releases). So it’s impossible to evaluate the validity of the poll. I can see no reason to consider this a credible organization.

107 opnion  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 2:41:11pm

re: #88 buzzsawmonkey

The same government which cannot be trusted with your library records (see “Patriot Act”) is perfectly safe to trust with your entire health history.

If Obamacare goes through I can imagine the public service commercials.
“As members of the Glorious new public health plan you have certain duties, foremost of which is do not get sick or injured. Either action is extremely selfish & deprives your fellow approved Americans of their due.
Should you thoughtlessly get seriously ill or injured be aware that your patriotic duty is to quitely pass on. Have a nice evening.”

108 albusteve  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 2:41:33pm

re: #101 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Why do you think the wife wants a divorce?

/sorry, could not just let that one slide by

hahaha!…nyuk nyuk

109 opnion  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 2:41:57pm

re: #90 Lincolntf

Great!

Gracious

110 littleoldlady  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 2:42:44pm

Tax dollars used to bailout automakers.
Tax dollars used to assure bailed out automakers have a market for their products.
Program ends. Sales dry up.
Automaker is in financial trouble again.

Rinse and repeat.

More tax dollars used to bailout automakers.
More tax dollars used to assure bailed out automakers have a market for their…

Isn’t there a more efficient way to destroy our economy?

/this is going to take too long

111 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 2:42:52pm

re: #106 pink freud

Those pussies are gonna take down Rush Limbaugh? I’m sure he and his $54 mil are shaking.

112 gmsc  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 2:43:06pm

re: #98 CyanSnowHawk

Why do you think they just pumped another $2Billion into it? They know.

And now, for Cash For Clunkers new from the blogfather:

ANOTHER MIS-STEP ON THE RECOVERY PLAN: AP sources: Govt to suspend ‘cash for clunkers’.

Congressional officials say the government plans to suspend the popular “cash for clunkers” program amid concerns it could quickly use up the $1 billion in rebates for new car purchases.

The Transportation Department called congressional offices late Thursday to alert them to the decision to halt the program, which offered owners of old cars and trucks $3,500 or $4,500 toward a new, more fuel-efficient vehicle.

Hmm. So the program ran through the money faster than they thought. I wonder how their healthcare plan will work out? …

Remember, people respond to economic incentives.


—-

“CASH FOR CLUNKERS” RUNNING WITH TRUE GOVERNMENTAL EFFICIENCY:

Dealers reported problems with the government’s online system to get the transactions approved by the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA), which is running the program.

Scott Lambert, vice president of the Minnesota Auto Dealers Association, said he was “astounded” to learn at a meeting Tuesday representing about 150 Minnesota dealers that not one has had a deal approved.

“We had dealers representing 1,500 to 2,000 transactions,” he said. “We asked how many had a deal approved yet, and not one hand went up.”

Lambert said the government has created a program that’s “so big and cumbersome that it can’t find a way to accept anything. We’re sending in good, reliable deals.”

It’s nerve-racking for the dealers, he said, because they have given the customer $4,500 and now the dealers need to be reimbursed.

Don’t worry, though — I’m sure they’ll do a better job with your prostate.

UPDATE: Moe Lane is not surprised. “Note that the program started on July 1, they only published the actual rules Friday, and they’re still working out how to get the dealers their money. If you’re shrugging over that, consider this: what’s essentially happening here is that car dealerships are giving $4,500 interest-free, unguaranteed loans to the federal government… and the determination of whether or not those loans get paid off is more or less going to be at the discretion of mid-level bureaucrats at the NHTSA. Even if they do repay every loan, it’s apparently going to take time for the system to smooth out; it’s an open question whether it’ll straighten out before the official end of the program in November. And the car dealerships – the only producers of goods in this particular equation, and the ones that the government is ostensibly trying to help – get all the headaches.”

Producers can’t catch a break under this Administration.

113 Lincolntf  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 2:43:10pm

re: #98 CyanSnowHawk

Amazing how they can find a free and easy two billion bucks to cover their own asses whenever it’s convenient.

If Obama ever accidentally ventures into the real world he’s in for a hell of a surprise.

114 jamgarr  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 2:43:27pm

I haven’t been around much lately but I haven’t seen RW for more than a week. Anyone know how he’s doing?

115 SixDegrees  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 2:43:28pm

re: #87 midwestgak

Try the second icon on the right.

Go to the page you’re talking about, and copy the address out of your browser navbar; paste it into a reply.

As far as I can tell, there is no such page, and the claim reeks of bullshit. There is also nowhere to “login” to the site.

116 CyanSnowHawk  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 2:43:40pm

re: #94 SixDegrees

This is the EPA Fuckup List, not the list of eligible vehicles.

Edmunds.com has a list of all eligible vehicles. They are currently updating it with the new data from the EPA, but it’s mostly correct.

117 unrealizedviewpoint  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 2:44:22pm

re: #110 littleoldlady

Isn’t there a more efficient way to destroy our economy?

/this is going to take too long

Too long for the right sidebar rotating title ?

118 HoosierHoops  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 2:44:24pm

re: #87 midwestgak

Try the second icon on the right.

No..Forget that.. Read the privacy statement…It is chilling and if this is a real Gov’t website and not a spoof…The Hoopster is going to have fun with this…
Let me provide direct quotes here…BTW…The next step is to see if this is real..
What We Automatically Collect Online
We collect information about your visit that does not identify you personally. We can tell the computer, browser, and web service you are using. We also know the date, time, and pages you visit. Collecting this information helps us design the site to suit your needs. In the event of a known security or virus threat, we may collect information on the web content you view.

Other Information We May Collect
When you visit our website, we may request and collect the following categories of personal information from you:

Contact information
IDs and passwords
___
We collect information to:

Respond to your complaints
Reply to your “feedback comments”
Manage your access to restricted areas of the website
Fulfill requests for reports and other similar information
Register you for a member account
___
It only get’s better Lizards..Read the so-called official Government privacy policy on the bottom of cars.gov
Off to do alittle tracking

119 Eowyn2  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 2:44:27pm

Every time I hear of the cash for clunkers, I start laughing.
The Obama Administration. Extraordinary Pre-Owned Car Salesmen.

120 Cato the Elder  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 2:44:35pm

re: #50 Cato the Elder

The point about the 210 Google hits is, this is a brand-new holier-than-thou eco-Nazi term. Look for it to spread like kudzu.

121 Erik The Red  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 2:44:38pm

re: #110 littleoldlady

Tax dollars used to bailout automakers.
Tax dollars used to assure bailed out automakers have a market for their products.
Program ends. Sales dry up.
Automaker is in financial trouble again.

Rinse and repeat.

More tax dollars used to bailout automakers.
More tax dollars used to assure bailed out automakers have a market for their…

Isn’t there a more efficient way to destroy our economy?

/this is going to take too long

{lol} any fruitcup left from this morning?

122 [deleted]  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 2:44:42pm
123 yochanan  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 2:44:51pm
RIGHT NOW THE QUICK MONEY IS IN THE CLUNKERS FOR CASH
get a clunker for the junk yard get 4,500$ from the gov’t
124 Bob Dillon  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 2:45:00pm

re: #77 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

So when do they plan to list the disqualified conditions for the Obamacare program?

QALY: Quality-Adjusted Life Year. A formula devised by left-wing policy wonks that purports to measure the worth of your life by assigning a numerical value to each year of your existence.

more: [Link: en.wikipedia.org…]

125 littleoldlady  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 2:46:11pm

re: #117 unrealizedviewpoint

Too long for the right sidebar rotating title ?

I think so. ;-)

re: #121 Erik The Red

{lol} any fruitcup left from this morning?

Did I MAKE fruitcup this morning?!

/it was so long ago I forget…

126 Cato the Elder  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 2:46:13pm

The whole “clunkers” terminology is seriously misleading. What they mean is “politically incorrect gas mileage”.

My car would qualify as a “clunker” because of the crappy mileage, but it’s paid for and has under 50k miles. The carbon-Nazis can bite me.

127 wrenchwench  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 2:46:23pm

re: #114 jamgarr

I haven’t been around much lately but I haven’t seen RW for more than a week. Anyone know how he’s doing?

Only one post from last Monday.

128 Eowyn2  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 2:46:26pm

re: #55 VegasRick

Think “Transformers”.

BUMBLEBEE

129 SixDegrees  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 2:46:42pm

re: #116 CyanSnowHawk

Edmunds.com has a list of all eligible vehicles. They are currently updating it with the new data from the EPA, but it’s mostly correct.

www.cars.gov is the gold standard; they walk you through a few pages based on year, make and model to arrive at an answer. This is where your dealer will check, as well.

130 unrealizedviewpoint  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 2:46:49pm

re: #123 yochanan

RIGHT NOW THE QUICK MONEY IS IN THE CLUNKERS FOR CASH
get a clunker for the junk yard get 4,500$ from the gov’t


Needs be continuously registered for 12 months prior.

131 gmsc  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 2:46:55pm

re: #123 yochanan

RIGHT NOW THE QUICK MONEY IS IN THE CLUNKERS FOR CASH
get a clunker for the junk yard get 4,500$ from the gov’t

No, you get it from the dealer. It remains to be seen whether the dealers can get reimbursed by the government.

132 CyanSnowHawk  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 2:47:08pm

re: #113 Lincolntf

Amazing how they can find a free and easy two billion bucks to cover their own asses whenever it’s convenient.

If Obama ever accidentally ventures into the real world he’s in for a hell of a surprise.

A billion here a couple billion there, before you know it, you’re talking about real money.

133 jamgarr  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 2:47:21pm

re: #127 wrenchwench

Thanks

134 Honorary Yooper  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 2:47:22pm

re: #120 Cato the Elder

The point about the 210 Google hits is, this is a brand-new holier-than-thou eco-Nazi term. Look for it to spread like kudzu.

And the term “carbon-tainted” will be just as bad a kudzu.

135 albusteve  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 2:48:02pm

I’ve owned alot of foreign cars, for one reason or another…I really loved my 02 6cyl Accord Coup…fast and smooth…but when it comes to balls to the walls speed, power, and OMG road grabbin, there are many outstanding American cars that will eat Beemers for lunch…sorry Hoops…here’s just one…

Image: 2009-ford-mustang-shelby-gt500-3.jpg

136 yochanan  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 2:48:08pm

remember in japan 60,000 is mostly urban driving not a hell of a lot of open space on dem islands.

137 Honorary Yooper  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 2:48:23pm

re: #131 gmsc

No, you get it from the dealer. It remains to be seen whether the dealers can get reimbursed by the government.

They’re worried right now that they may not get reimbursed.

138 gmsc  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 2:48:52pm

re: #132 CyanSnowHawk

A billion here a couple billion there, before you know it, you’re talking about real money.

Thank you, Everett Dirksen.

139 [deleted]  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 2:48:53pm
140 gmsc  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 2:48:59pm

re: #137 Honorary Yooper

They’re worried right now that they may not get reimbursed.

Exactly.

141 unrealizedviewpoint  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 2:49:11pm

re: #114 jamgarr

I haven’t been around much lately but I haven’t seen RW for more than a week. Anyone know how he’s doing?

I hope he’s okay. I’ll email him.

142 Shug  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 2:49:42pm

re: #137 Honorary Yooper

They’re worried right now that they may not get reimbursed.

Who, China ?

143 SixDegrees  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 2:49:53pm

re: #113 Lincolntf

Amazing how they can find a free and easy two billion bucks to cover their own asses whenever it’s convenient.

If Obama ever accidentally ventures into the real world he’s in for a hell of a surprise.

Well, there’s about $700 billion in stimulus funds that have yet to be spent. One could hope it was simply moved over from that already-allocated pile of money.

But one could also be misguided, thinking such a thing.

144 Wendya  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 2:50:00pm

re: #12 irongrampa

So there goes viable transportation for people who can’t afford new, but would benefit from a good used vehicle. Not to mention the ripple effects—repair parts sales. etc.

Can you say unintended consequences?

This takes perfectly good car parts out of the market and drives up the price for people who keep and maintain older cars. That’s just brilliant in a recession.

145 Kragar  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 2:50:02pm

And here we go with the bait and switch again:

Hamas leader: We will accept a Palestinian state on the 1967 borders

Hamas leader-in-exile Khaled Meshal says the Islamic militant group is ready to accept a Palestinian state based on the 1967 lines, according to an interview with the Wall Street Journal published on Friday.

“We along with other Palestinian factions in consensus agreed upon accepting a Palestinian state on the 1967 lines,” Meshal told the Wall Street Journal, adding “this is the national program. This is our program. This is a position we stand by and respect.”

Nothing about an actual cease fire or peace deal. Just that they’ll take the state. But our Liberals and State dept will eat this up.

146 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 2:50:15pm

re: #141 unrealizedviewpoint

I hope he’s okay. I’ll email him.

I got one from him a bit ago. Just tired and so on.

147 opnion  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 2:50:39pm

re: #142 Shug

Who, China ?

No, the Piizza delivery guys from St. Louis.

148 gmsc  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 2:50:55pm

re: #142 Shug

Who, China ?

Yes, Hu in China is worried about being reimbursed.

149 albusteve  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 2:51:35pm

re: #145 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

And here we go with the bait and switch again:

Hamas leader: We will accept a Palestinian state on the 1967 borders

Nothing about an actual cease fire or peace deal. Just that they’ll take the state. But our Liberals and State dept will eat this up.

VICTORY!…
Miller time…good goin y’all

150 Mikey_Dallas  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 2:51:42pm

re: #124 Bobibutu

QALY: Quality-Adjusted Life Year. A formula devised by left-wing policy wonks that purports to measure the worth of your life by assigning a numerical value to each year of your existence.

more: [Link: en.wikipedia.org…]

There is also the QARY - Quality Adjusted Remaining Years.

I love Obama. I have always loved Obama. I will always love Obama. Obama, you’re my hero. Now is Obama Oceana or Eurasia. I forget ever since they put the rat cage over my head.

151 gmsc  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 2:51:55pm

re: #137 Honorary Yooper

Wait - Honorary Yooper? You don’t really live in upper Michigan?

152 yochanan  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 2:51:58pm

anyone know were the carbon valley that JOHN GALT is building in? and can working people join his society?

153 Kragar  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 2:52:28pm

re: #151 gmsc

Wait - Honorary Yooper? You don’t really live in upper Michigan?

LIES AND TREACHERY MOST FOUL!

154 SixDegrees  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 2:52:30pm

re: #144 Wendya

This takes perfectly good car parts out of the market and drives up the price for people who keep and maintain older cars. That’s just brilliant in a recession.

If they continue to extend it, it’ll drive up the cost of all cars, period. Dealers will start building the “discount” into the asking price, just as they did long ago with the rebates consumers have come to demand.

155 Equable  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 2:52:40pm

So my 1965 Nova SS doesn’t qualify? Bummer!

Heh like I’d trade it in for anything, much less a Prius.

156 yochanan  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 2:52:54pm

re: #150 Mikey_Dallas

There is also the QARY - Quality Adjusted Remaining Years.

I love Obama. I have always loved Obama. I will always love Obama. Obama, you’re my hero. Now is Obama Oceana or Eurasia. I forget ever since they put the rat cage over my head.

WE HAVE ALWAYS BEEN AT WAR WITH OCEANA

157 VegasRick  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 2:52:54pm

re: #139 buzzsawmonkey

“When you steal from Peter to pay Paul, you will always have a supporter in Paul”. The dick dems just have to make sure there are more “Pauls” than “Peters”.
*That last line sounds kinda kinky.

158 unrealizedviewpoint  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 2:52:57pm

re: #152 yochanan

anyone know were the carbon valley that JOHN GALT is building in? and can working people join his society?

He’s working his speech …he’ll let ya know.

159 VioletTiger  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 2:53:23pm

re: #6 Cato the Elder

As I said earlier today:

I wonder how many buyers convinced themselves they could afford the payments ‘cause of the “free money” and will end up having their shiny new so-called high-mpg rides repo’d.


I hope you are wrong, but I fear you are right.

160 Idle Drifter  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 2:53:36pm

Throwing more good money after bad. Or should this be considered throwing more nonexistent money after bad.

161 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 2:53:45pm

re: #155 Equable

So my 1965 Nova SS doesn’t qualify? Bummer!

Heh like I’d trade it in for anything, much less a Prius.

327?

162 SasquatchOnSteroids  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 2:53:47pm

re: #145 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

And here we go with the bait and switch again:

Hamas leader: We will accept a Palestinian state on the 1967 borders

Nothing about an actual cease fire or peace deal. Just that they’ll take the state. But our Liberals and State dept will eat this up.

Fuck them. All they want to do is make Israel 10 miles wide.
Same old song and dance. You’re right, though, O will eat it up.

163 Honorary Yooper  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 2:54:26pm

re: #151 gmsc

Wait - Honorary Yooper? You don’t really live in upper Michigan?

No, I went to college there. I’m in the SW ‘burbs of Chicago. Far SW ‘burbs.

164 yochanan  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 2:54:37pm

re: #158 unrealizedviewpoint

The more I see obamastan the more i think this place is gone moonbatshit crazy.

165 gmsc  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 2:54:39pm

re: #6 Cato the Elder

As I said earlier today:

I wonder how many buyers convinced themselves they could afford the payments ‘cause of the “free money” and will end up having their shiny new so-called high-mpg rides repo’d.

…and one that sums it up:

166 VioletTiger  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 2:54:55pm

re: #25 opnion

Obama does one dumb as a stone program after another & his minions still consider him brilliant.

Notice that he painting this thing as rousing success. It’s the only thing he can pin his hat on right now.

167 Mikey_Dallas  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 2:55:03pm

re: #156 yochanan

WE HAVE ALWAYS BEEN AT WAR WITH OCEANA

Thanks, yochanan. I AM SO CONFUSED

There’s one for you 19 for me,
Cause I’m Henry Waxman
Yeah I’m the Waxman
And I’m doing all of this for you…

168 SixDegrees  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 2:55:22pm

re: #6 Cato the Elder

As I said earlier today:

I wonder how many buyers convinced themselves they could afford the payments ‘cause of the “free money” and will end up having their shiny new so-called high-mpg rides repo’d.

It will be an interesting test of whether or not banks have developed saner lending practices. If so, there will be many applicants who will be turned down.

169 albusteve  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 2:55:48pm

re: #155 Equable

So my 1965 Nova SS doesn’t qualify? Bummer!

Heh like I’d trade it in for anything, much less a Prius.

don’t even think about it…there is a higher order you know

170 yochanan  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 2:55:48pm

the memory hole is clogged and the shit keeps comming back to haunt them

171 SasquatchOnSteroids  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 2:56:00pm

re: #145 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

And here we go with the bait and switch again:

Hamas leader: We will accept a Palestinian state on the 1967 borders

Nothing about an actual cease fire or peace deal. Just that they’ll take the state. But our Liberals and State dept will eat this up.

Thread worthy, too.

172 opnion  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 2:56:12pm

re: #163 Honorary Yooper

No, I went to college there. I’m in the SW ‘burbs of Chicago. Far SW ‘burbs.

You went to Lewis University or Northern Illinois or Trinity?

173 Eowyn2  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 2:56:19pm

re: #106 pink freud

Doppleganglander has done some digging on that Kos poll and posted on the last thread:
[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com…]

I went to Research 2000’s web site: [Link: research2000.us…] They are hardly the non-partisan polling firm they claim to be. The president of the company, Delair Ali, has a blog on the front page. Here’s the current entry:

Between the birthers, daily racism and xenophobia that pollutes the discourse in our great nation, I was thinking that the phrase “the inmates are running the asylum” …when a woman, who resembled the late Magna Goebells ..

The inmates are definately running the asylum. Magna Goebells? My Lord, if that wasn’t dredged up to inspire hatred, I don’t know what could have been.
NO

174 albusteve  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 2:56:32pm

re: #161 Cannadian Club Akbar

327?

here she is…

Image: 65_Nova_SS_duece1.jpg

175 CyanSnowHawk  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 2:56:57pm

re: #152 yochanan

anyone know were the carbon valley that JOHN GALT is building in? and can working people join his society?

Click your heels together and say this three times, “I swear - by my life and my love of it - that I will never live for the sake of another man, nor ask another man to live for mine.

177 opnion  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 2:57:45pm

re: #166 VioletTiger

Notice that he painting this thing as rousing success. It’s the only thing he can pin his hat on right now.

They claim that his courageous Stimulus avoided the abyss.
How do you prove that it didn’t?

178 Eowyn2  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 2:57:52pm

re: #131 gmsc

No, you get it from the dealer. It remains to be seen whether the dealers can get reimbursed by the government.

UP TO 4500 bucks trade-in. Hmm

179 Charles Johnson  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 2:58:18pm

The cheese stands alone.

180 doppelganglander  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 2:58:36pm

re: #106 pink freud

If I updinged you as a thank you for reposting, is that updinging myself?

181 Equable  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 2:58:52pm

re: #161 Cannadian Club Akbar

327?

Under her hood? Not presently - she has a 406 growling in her den. I have the original motor stored safely and neatly, however.

182 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 2:58:54pm

re: #174 albusteve

here she is…

[Link: www.geocities.com…]

My neighbor has a 10K SF garage, 2 hydraulic lifts and about 750K in old Chevy’s

183 Noam Sayin'  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 2:59:31pm
1992 Jeep Comanche Pickup 4WD

I know for a fact there are about seven of those vehicles left on the road.

/

184 Killgore Trout  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 2:59:39pm

Does anybody have the roll call in the cash for clunkers vote? I’d like to see if any Republicans are supporting it.

185 Idle Drifter  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 2:59:48pm

re: #165 gmsc

I’m laughing and crying while dying on inside.

186 HoosierHoops  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 2:59:51pm

***
Interm Report on Cars.gov
Is this a spoof site? The privacy statement is completely Wack
***
So let’s check them out…cars.gov lives at 98.27.88.73 …OK cool…Public network..Let’s just hop over to this site and trace right in to the Gov’t routers and switches…weee let’s have fun!
So there I go and all of a sudden i get routed to Cleveland , oH. to a commercial network with a home IP address through a 65.24.14.222 Road runner Router…I can’t seem to find a government Route trace yet…
I’m now going to trace the public web site host to the Gov’t…I won’t post the name…Hosts always get fucked…And I generally respect our brothers and Sisters on the net…
This site may be a spoof…

187 SasquatchOnSteroids  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 2:59:59pm

I have to stop using the F-bomb so much.
It just snaps out there too easy these days.

188 Erik The Red  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 3:00:00pm

re: #180 doppelganglander

If I updinged you as a thank you for reposting, is that updinging myself?

That just sounds sooo BAD. :)

189 Equable  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 3:00:01pm

re: #169 albusteve

don’t even think about it…there is a higher order you know

I’d never forgive myself. And Equable Jr. wouldn’t forgive me either.

190 albusteve  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 3:00:45pm

re: #181 Equable

Under her hood? Not presently - she has a 406 growling in her den. I have the original motor stored safely and neatly, however.

keep it…those motors are becoming hard to get

191 LGoPs  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 3:00:53pm

All of this micro management of the economy smacks to me of the central planning that was such a big ‘success’ in the old Soviet Union…
///

192 LGoPs  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 3:01:27pm

re: #187 SasquatchOnSteroids

I have to stop using the F-bomb so much.
It just snaps out there too easy these days.

I know what you mean.

193 Cato the Elder  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 3:01:41pm

In the “Cato Duz Grammer” department:

One of our local politicians (prematurely) celebrated the dismissal of a corruption case against her with an email that read, in part:

“Dear Faithful & Steadfast Prayer Warriors, I wanted you to be among the first to know that our God, our mighty, mighty God, God that can do anything but fail has found favor with this child of his.”

Well. That’s certainly kind of her, and I’m sure God appreciates it.

“To find favor” with someone means to meet with that someone’s approval.

So this idiot is saying God is in her good graces.

I don’t know which thought is more distressing: that the local paper missed this altogether, or that someone caught it and didn’t think it was worth mocking.

Her case has been reopened, now. Does that mean God failed?

194 Erik The Red  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 3:02:04pm

BBL. Off on my quest to find the best pizza in town.

195 opnion  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 3:02:10pm

re: #191 LGoPs

All of this micro management of the economy smacks to me of the central planning that was such a big ‘success’ in the old Soviet Union…
///

“He who doesn’t learn from history…”

196 [deleted]  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 3:03:04pm
197 SasquatchOnSteroids  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 3:03:53pm

re: #192 LGoPs

I know what you mean.

Cheese and Crackers just isn’t as forceful.

198 SixDegrees  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 3:03:54pm

re: #166 VioletTiger

Notice that he painting this thing as rousing success. It’s the only thing he can pin his hat on right now.

If success is defined as meeting the goals the Administration set for the program, he’s absolutely correct, at least so far. It’s getting higher-mileage cars off the road and replacing them with more fuel efficient models; and it’s giving a much needed boost to the lagging auto industry. There have been a couple of snags - the EPA switching mileage listings in midstream, and burning through the cash much more quickly than anticipated. But overall, it’s done exactly what the Administration claimed it was going to do and done it well.

It’s reasonable to disapprove of the program altogether for a number of other reasons. But that’s not a failure of the program; that’s a disagreement with it.

I’ll offer this small bit of support for it: it could have been worse. A total asshole Leftard would have “fixed” the problem of low-mileage cars by penalizing owners who drove them, instead of rewarding them for desired behavior. I was near certain there would be a national mileage testing requirement imposed, with the aim of forcing people to trade in their cars through fear of penalties. Not much of a consolation, I’ll admit; I’d rather see no government involvement in the marketplace at all. But given that some government twiddling was nearly inevitable, this particular method is less unpleasant than others might have been.

199 Ojoe  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 3:04:02pm

My family just had to pay a lot of estate tax and the government spends it on this?

Grrr

200 yochanan  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 3:04:19pm

re: #179 Charles

sorry charles that was limburger

201 CyanSnowHawk  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 3:04:32pm

re: #195 opnion

“He who doesn’t learn from history…”

Can often be found with (D) after their name.

202 doppelganglander  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 3:04:36pm

re: #188 Erik The Red

That just sounds sooo BAD. :)

I usually try to keep that sort of thing behind closed doors.

203 CynicalConservative  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 3:04:41pm

re: #184 Killgore Trout

Does anybody have the roll call in the cash for clunkers vote? I’d like to see if any Republicans are supporting it.

I don’t have the roll call, but a lot of R’s voted for it when I was watching.

204 LGoPs  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 3:05:26pm

re: #195 opnion

“He who doesn’t learn from history…”

What libtards don’t understand is that even though they choose to ignore history, history will not ignore them. It will demand to be re-learned. The only problem is that we’re in the classroom with the fucking libtards as the lesson gets retaught.

205 pink freud  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 3:05:27pm

re: #180 doppelganglander

If I updinged you as a thank you for reposting, is that updinging myself?

I am impressed with your digging skills, dopplegangler. This effectively discredits that Kos poll. Upding, again. :-)

206 opnion  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 3:05:47pm

re: #196 buzzsawmonkey

“…is guaranteed a Czar spot in the new administration.”

Yeah baby! I have my application in to be the Beer Czar.
I think that BHO will be havings lots of these Rose Garden beer
fests to try to scrape it off of his shoe every time he steps in it.

207 albusteve  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 3:05:49pm

re: #189 Equable

I’d never forgive myself. And Equable Jr. wouldn’t forgive me either.

my BinL had a 67 Nova SS…L79, 327/350 reworked to 415hp…only a couple thousand made…$$$

208 doppelganglander  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 3:06:17pm

re: #193 Cato the Elder

I’m going to go out on a limb here and say if she’s sounding like a Wednesday night prayer meeting, she’s guilty.

209 yochanan  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 3:06:44pm

re: #206 opnion

remember the fresher it is the more it stinks when you step in it.

210 LGoPs  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 3:06:55pm

re: #206 opnion

Yeah baby! I have my application in to be the Beer Czar.
I think that BHO will be havings lots of these Rose Garden beer
fests to try to scrape it off of his shoe every time he steps in it.

He stepped in drcordell too?
/

211 albusteve  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 3:07:40pm

re: #207 albusteve

my BinL had a 67 Nova SS…L79, 327/350 reworked to 415hp…only a couple thousand made…$$$

and further…any 65 Nova SS with an original VIN has to be worth a ton of money…3/4 ton, whatever

212 unrealizedviewpoint  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 3:07:56pm

re: #210 LGoPs

He stepped in drcordell 2?
/

213 opnion  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 3:08:09pm

re: #201 CyanSnowHawk

Can often be found with (D) after their name.

A common phenomenon

214 opnion  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 3:09:03pm

re: #209 yochanan

remember the fresher it is the more it stinks when you step in it.

And he will always have the fres stuff to deal with.

215 HoosierHoops  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 3:09:22pm

re: #186 HoosierHoops

***
Interm Report on Cars.gov
Is this a spoof site? The privacy statement is completely Wack
***
So let’s check them out…cars.gov lives at 98.27.88.73 …OK cool…Public network..Let’s just hop over to this site and trace right in to the Gov’t routers and switches…weee let’s have fun!
So there I go and all of a sudden i get routed to Cleveland , oH. to a commercial network with a home IP address through a 65.24.14.222 Road runner Router…I can’t seem to find a government Route trace yet…
I’m now going to trace the public web site host to the Gov’t…I won’t post the name…Hosts always get fucked…And I generally respect our brothers and Sisters on the net…
This site may be a spoof…

Crap! It’s not a spoof..It’s the real thing! cars.gov…
If you want a laugh go read the official government privacy statement on the bottom of the page…we need to cache it

216 VegasRick  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 3:09:31pm

re: #212 unrealizedviewpoint

He must be a real dick. Owned the bottom 10 comments all by himself.

217 CynicalConservative  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 3:10:03pm

re: #216 VegasRick

He must be a real dick. Owned the bottom 10 comments all by himself.

Check the overnight, around 1200…

218 Equable  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 3:10:06pm

re: #207 albusteve

my BinL had a 67 Nova SS…L79, 327/350 reworked to 415hp…only a couple thousand made…$$$

Should I ever hit the lottery I’ll go find myself a nice Yenko Nova. For some reason I have a penchant for those old girls.

219 Kragar  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 3:10:09pm

re: #210 LGoPs

He stepped in drcordell too?
/

drcordell too: Electric boogaloo

220 J.S.  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 3:11:06pm

re: #203 CynicalConservative

Reports indicate 77 Republicans voted for it (they Republicans who voted for this bill are primarily from states where many people are dependent on the car industry).

221 midwestgak  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 3:11:14pm

re: #215 HoosierHoops

Crap! It’s not a spoof..It’s the real thing! cars.gov…
If you want a laugh go read the official government privacy statement on the bottom of the page…we need to cache it

{Hoosier} Thanks for looking into this. You’re a smart fellow.

222 SasquatchOnSteroids  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 3:11:28pm

If you could be a Czar, what kind of Czar would you be ?

~Bawbwa Wawtas

223 SixDegrees  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 3:11:34pm

re: #215 HoosierHoops

Crap! It’s not a spoof..It’s the real thing! cars.gov…
If you want a laugh go read the official government privacy statement on the bottom of the page…we need to cache it

Link, please?

224 [deleted]  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 3:12:11pm
225 Killgore Trout  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 3:12:29pm

re: #191 LGoPs

All of this micro management of the economy smacks to me of the central planning that was such a big ‘success’ in the old Soviet Union…
///

I know this is going to fall on deaf ears but…
The GOP (and conservatives) are squandering a huge opportunity here. There’s actually a good chance that the cash for clunkers program is a good idea. It seems to be working. I know that’s unthinkable but maybe people should look at supporting the good ideas instead of blindly opposing everything. TARP is a good example. It worked but the right pretty much universally opposed it.

In two years the economy will probably be well into recovery. Some of the actions taken by Obama are going to work (gasp!). It would be nice if at least some Republicans were on record supporting the recovery of the economy.

People really need to start thinking long term. What’s the economy really going to look like in 2 years? 4 years? 8 years? I mean really, not Glenn beck/Rush Limbaugh fantasies. They’re still invested in the stock market. Chances are you are too because you know the economy is going to recover. Otherwise you’d cash out, invest in gold ingots and build a bomb shelter in the woods.

The economy is going to recover, we should participate in that.

226 CynicalConservative  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 3:12:31pm

re: #220 J.S.

Reports indicate 77 Republicans voted for it (they Republicans who voted for this bill are primarily from states where many people are dependent on the car industry).

Thanks for the detail. (Watched the vote, too lazy to lookup).

227 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 3:12:50pm

re: #220 J.S.

Reports indicate 77 Republicans voted for it (they Republicans who voted for this bill are primarily from states where many people are dependent on the car industry).

In 2 months when there are no car sales, they should be reminded.

228 LGoPs  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 3:14:47pm

re: #225 Killgore Trout

I know this is going to fall on deaf ears but…
The GOP (and conservatives) are squandering a huge opportunity here. There’s actually a good chance that the cash for clunkers program is a good idea. It seems to be working. I know that’s unthinkable but maybe people should look at supporting the good ideas instead of blindly opposing everything. TARP is a good example. It worked but the right pretty much universally opposed it.

In two years the economy will probably be well into recovery. Some of the actions taken by Obama are going to work (gasp!). It would be nice if at least some Republicans were on record supporting the recovery of the economy.

People really need to start thinking long term. What’s the economy really going to look like in 2 years? 4 years? 8 years? I mean really, not Glenn beck/Rush Limbaugh fantasies. They’re still invested in the stock market. Chances are you are too because you know the economy is going to recover. Otherwise you’d cash out, invest in gold ingots and build a bomb shelter in the woods.

The economy is going to recover, we should participate in that.

I think if it does recover, it will be a testament to the innate strength and superiority of the capitalist system. Despite the current efforts to kill it. Maybe it’s just a tough old beast for the very same reason that the human spirit is a tough old beast.

229 HoosierHoops  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 3:15:27pm

re: #223 SixDegrees

Link, please?

cars.gov
click on the bottom of the page..Privacy statement…I’m still laughing…
It’s a real fucking government *laughing* web site…
we have*laughing* the right to your password and ID *laughing*
You can’t make this shit up

230 J.S.  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 3:16:12pm

re: #225 Killgore Trout

I was just reading (from the MinnPost) though, that the program is rumoured to be ready to run out of money — in two weeks…”The fix, however, could be very short term. If the program’s popularity continues, some worried on Friday that the fund would still run out within two weeks.”

231 DEZes  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 3:16:36pm

re: #216 VegasRick

He must be a real dick. Owned the bottom 10 comments all by himself.

Major league prick, Space Cadet is in love.

232 opnion  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 3:16:54pm

re: #224 buzzsawmonkey

Things are already so beerczar in the Administration that I am not sure there is an opening.

Ok then, I need a fall back.

233 LGoPs  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 3:17:48pm

I’m not an economist and know probably just enough to be dangerous but I do think that the economy is a force of nature, driven by millions if not billions of decisions made on a daily basis. Anyone who thinks he can harness these decisions and command the economy is a fool. Just like those who think they can affect the weather.

234 LGoPs  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 3:19:04pm

re: #224 buzzsawmonkey

Things are already so beerczar in the Administration that I am not sure there is an opening.

Are you being czarcastic? Hey there’s a thought - I want to be the Czar of Czarcasm

235 Cheechako  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 3:19:18pm

Cars for Clunkers - everyone is thinking this is a good way to get back some of their tax dollars, the car dealers just got some more dollars to play with in coming to a final deal, AND NOBODY REALIZES THE TOTAL COST IS BEING ADDED TO THE NATIONAL CREDIT CARD!

236 HoosierHoops  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 3:19:20pm

re: #229 HoosierHoops

cars.gov
click on the bottom of the page..Privacy statement…I’m still laughing…
It’s a real fucking government *laughing* web site…
we have*laughing* the right to your password and ID *laughing*
You can’t make this shit up

I quote ”
Other Information We May Collect
When you visit our website, we may request and collect the following categories of personal information from you:

Contact information
IDs and passwords

unquote…There is gold in them thar hills! Everytime i go back i laugh…
It’s better than Ron White and a fifth

237 jhrhv  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 3:19:31pm

Cash for clunkers or $4,500 for your $300 car. Oh and that $4,500 is borrowed from China and the other $20 + K that you borrowed from the bank to pay for it is also stimulus cash from China. So we are solving this debt crisis and auto industry crisis by burring our heads in debt. Yep makes sense to me.

Signed,
Zero ///

238 SixDegrees  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 3:19:40pm

re: #229 HoosierHoops

cars.gov
click on the bottom of the page..Privacy statement…I’m still laughing…
It’s a real fucking government *laughing* web site…
we have*laughing* the right to your password and ID *laughing*
You can’t make this shit up

I don’t see anything objectionable on this page. Everything they discuss is practiced by nearly every website on the Internet, whether they tell you about it or not.

Is there some specific clause you’re objecting to?

239 CyanSnowHawk  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 3:20:05pm

re: #230 J.S.

I was just reading (from the MinnPost) though, that the program is rumoured to be ready to run out of money — in two weeks…”The fix, however, could be very short term. If the program’s popularity continues, some worried on Friday that the fund would still run out within two weeks.”

Here is the latest from WSJ.

The House voted Friday to transfer $2 billion in emergency funding from the economic stimulus plan to the “cash for clunkers” program, but the extension faces a tougher path in the Senate.

The House moved rapidly to pass the measure after learning Thursday that the initial $1 billion allocated to the clunkers program may have been close to exhausted after just one week. The new legislation would shift $2 billion from the $787 billion stimulus plan to the program.

240 VioletTiger  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 3:20:19pm

re: #198 SixDegrees

Good points.

241 Racer X  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 3:20:23pm

What has a larger carbon footprint?

A. Keep your old car as long as it runs ok. Tune it up and inflate the tires. Maintain it properly until it dies, then replace it with something more efficient.

or

B. Go buy a brand new Prius (one that took lots of carbon gases to produce). Sell your still-functioning clunker to some other poor slob, or better yet give it to the government to turn into scrap metal.

?

242 Lincolntf  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 3:20:40pm

re: #225 Killgore Trout

You seem to define “working” as “conforming to Obama’s wishes”. Regular people define “working” as actually helping the economy.
Destroying millions of dollars in value (the traded-in cars) in exchange for ethereal debt (the rebate check) is horrible economics as well as being transparent pandering to the Centralized economy crowd.

How long until the 2012 primaries?

243 Killgore Trout  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 3:20:53pm

re: #230 J.S.

I know, It’s really hard to tell what’s really going and we’re only really going to know what worked and what didn’t well after the crisis and recovery are over with. It’ll be years. Some people will stay in denial and other will create an alternate history but some of these things are going to work, other won’t. It would be nice if conservatives actually support the good ideas instead of universally opposing everything.

244 Conservative in Liberal Hands  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 3:21:17pm

re: #225 Killgore Trout

Ihe question is when will the economy recover and how long will it take. There are quite a few folks that think the worst is behind us. I am inclined to agree, with the exception of the commercial real estate market (shopping centers, regional malls, etc.) However, I do not foresee a quick recovery. The damage done by the Democrat Economy - the Democratic party has controlled the Senate and Congress since Bush’s midterm - may not be over for five or even ten years. The stock market notwithstanding, the “economy” may take the glacially slow path that Japan’s economy took.

Hard times will persist…

245 [deleted]  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 3:21:25pm
246 HoosierHoops  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 3:21:40pm

re: #238 SixDegrees

I don’t see anything objectionable on this page. Everything they discuss is practiced by nearly every website on the Internet, whether they tell you about it or not.

Is there some specific clause you’re objecting to?

#236 No website and esp. the Government never has the right to my ID or password…

247 SixDegrees  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 3:22:12pm

re: #236 HoosierHoops

I quote ”
Other Information We May Collect
When you visit our website, we may request and collect the following categories of personal information from you:

Contact information
IDs and passwords

unquote…There is gold in them thar hills! Everytime i go back i laugh…
It’s better than Ron White and a fifth

Lots and lots of sites - including this very one, in fact - require you to enter a user ID and password for access to certain features.

I’m not seeing the problem here.

248 unrealizedviewpoint  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 3:22:55pm

re: #246 HoosierHoops

#236 No website and esp. the Government never has the right to my ID or password…

If you as a dealer want to participate in this voluntary program, you might consider it.

249 HoosierHoops  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 3:23:04pm

re: #247 SixDegrees

Lots and lots of sites - including this very one, in fact - require you to enter a user ID and password for access to certain features.

I’m not seeing the problem here.

Did I mis read it?
Crap! I’m on vacation

250 unrealizedviewpoint  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 3:23:38pm

Charles,
I demand my ID and password be returned to me.

251 unrealizedviewpoint  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 3:24:23pm

re: #250 unrealizedviewpoint

/

252 kynna  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 3:25:13pm

re: #228 LGoPs

I think if it does recover, it will be a testament to the innate strength and superiority of the capitalist system. Despite the current efforts to kill it. Maybe it’s just a tough old beast for the very same reason that the human spirit is a tough old beast.

I certainly hope you’re right.

You know when people started trading in their gas guzzlers for more fuel efficient cars? Yep. When “evil oil companies” had to raise their prices so high. It’s called the free market. Some people prefer to think the government can fix things, particularly when a Dem is in charge of the fixing. But they can’t — no matter the party. They are only “fixing” those things that are screwed as a result of their meddling in the first place.

This program is stupid. People don’t support it because it’s stupid. Not because Obama came up with it.

253 HoosierHoops  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 3:25:50pm

re: #250 unrealizedviewpoint

Charles,
I demand my ID and password be returned to me.

Ok OK Maybe..just maybe..and my lawyers says to say nothing..Thaat maybe..maybe I misread the privacy statement..
I really need to work harder on my conspiracy theory shit…

254 SasquatchOnSteroids  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 3:25:50pm

re: #250 unrealizedviewpoint

Charles,
I demand my ID and password be returned to me.

Ok, simma down naa. We’ve had quite enough problems with ID’s this week.

255 CyanSnowHawk  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 3:25:55pm

re: #242 Lincolntf

You seem to define “working” as “conforming to Obama’s wishes”. Regular people define “working” as actually helping the economy.
Destroying millions of dollars in value (the traded-in cars) in exchange for ethereal debt (the rebate check) is horrible economics as well as being transparent pandering to the Centralized economy crowd.

How long until the 2012 primaries?

Probably sometime in mid-2011 if the States start with their ‘me-first’ bullshit again.

256 Shug  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 3:26:03pm

Just inflate your tires and get regular tune ups.

257 cliffster  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 3:26:21pm

re: #243 Killgore Trout

I know, It’s really hard to tell what’s really going and we’re only really going to know what worked and what didn’t well after the crisis and recovery are over with. It’ll be years. Some people will stay in denial and other will create an alternate history but some of these things are going to work, other won’t. It would be nice if conservatives actually support the good ideas instead of universally opposing everything.

For me the question is not one of “working” or “not working”, it’s that I don’t want the federal government getting involved in things at this level. Delivering the mail and fighting wars was a good rule of thumb. Now, there’s just no limit on what the federal government does. “Seems like a good idea” doesn’t mean, “seems like something DC should do”.

258 unrealizedviewpoint  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 3:27:19pm

re: #256 Shug

Just inflate your tires…

You sound like a presidential candidate

259 LGoPs  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 3:27:36pm

re: #252 kynna

I certainly hope you’re right.

You know when people started trading in their gas guzzlers for more fuel efficient cars? Yep. When “evil oil companies” had to raise their prices so high. It’s called the free market. Some people prefer to think the government can fix things, particularly when a Dem is in charge of the fixing. But they can’t — no matter the party. They are only “fixing” those things that are screwed as a result of their meddling in the first place.

This program is stupid. People don’t support it because it’s stupid. Not because Obama came up with it.

The next brilliant government program I see coming is offering me money to trade in my uneaten cheeseburger for a coupon to go to Whole Foods and buy arugula…
/

260 kynna  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 3:27:48pm

re: #243 Killgore Trout

I know, It’s really hard to tell what’s really going and we’re only really going to know what worked and what didn’t well after the crisis and recovery are over with. It’ll be years. Some people will stay in denial and other will create an alternate history but some of these things are going to work, other won’t. It would be nice if conservatives actually support the good ideas instead of universally opposing everything.

I will be happy to support a good idea when one comes along. Cash for clunkers doesn’t qualify. My non-support of CfC is not partisan. I’d think it was stupid if Bush came up with it.

261 Conservative in Liberal Hands  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 3:28:05pm

I wonder at the timing of the program. Now that GM is Government Motors and Chrysler is out of the picture - so to speak…

262 SixDegrees  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 3:29:08pm

re: #246 HoosierHoops

#236 No website and esp. the Government never has the right to my ID or password…

You have to type in your ID and password to access certain features. That’s the “personal information they request from you” in order to grant access.

You can’t use a lot of the features on LGF without first providing a user ID and password on Charles’ registration form. And subsequently, you can’t access all features of the site without providing those pieces of information again - or setting your browser to provide them automatically when you revisit the page.

Also, the site hasn’t been updated since August 2007, and the particular item you’re referring to hasn’t changed in an even longer period of time; I’m too lazy to dredge through the list of updates to see if it ever has.

I’m just not seeing a problem here.

263 SixDegrees  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 3:29:50pm

re: #249 HoosierHoops

Did I mis read it?
Crap! I’m on vacation

I think you did; I don’t see anything wrong with it.

Hope you’re somewhere pleasant. Enjoy!

264 DEZes  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 3:29:51pm

re: #260 kynna

I will be happy to support a good idea when one comes along. Cash for clunkers doesn’t qualify. My non-support of CfC is not partisan. I’d think it was stupid if Bush came up with it.

I see me going to work to help pay for some leaches new car.

265 SixDegrees  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 3:31:23pm

re: #261 Conservative in Liberal Hands

I wonder at the timing of the program. Now that GM is Government Motors and Chrysler is out of the picture - so to speak…

For what it’s worth, Ford seems to be reaping the largest rewards so far. And as far as stimulus goes, now would be the time to apply it. Especially in the automotive sector.

266 The Shadow Do  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 3:31:47pm

re: #256 Shug

Just inflate your tires and get regular tune ups.


Actually that little advisory makes some sense, unlike buying back cars at a huge premium that already have one wheel well in the grave with my tax dollars.

Obamanomics just gets more and more interesting.

267 kynna  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 3:32:00pm

re: #259 LGoPs

The next brilliant government program I see coming is offering me money to trade in my uneaten cheeseburger for a coupon to go to Whole Foods and buy arugula…
/

Easier to make it illegal to eat an unregistered cheeseburger. Registration costs $25 quarterly.

Oops. A lightbulb just went off over the head of a government lurker. o_O

268 [deleted]  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 3:32:11pm
269 Lincolntf  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 3:33:16pm

re: #260 kynna

If things go really awry for Obama and the MSM, Hillary herself could use this issue against Obama in a primary. It’s the first time we’ve seen Obama fail so publicly and massively.
Sounds crazy until you look at Obama’s ski-slope of an approval graph. He’s always gotten a free-pass for leaving every place he’s ever worked worse off than when he got there.
He can’t get away with that in this job.

270 CyanSnowHawk  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 3:33:53pm

re: #268 buzzsawmonkey

Can someone tell me what this is supposed to accomplish? Is this some sort of half-assed “conservation” measure to get people buying new cars (government motors bailout) and theoretically using less gas?

Well, hell; if the cars pass inspection, and the people can buy the gas, why not spend the same money increasing our domestic oil production? Or better yet—not spend the money, and let the oil companies that are champing at the bit to do the increase go ahead and do it?

Oil production’s bad, m’kay?

271 solomonpanting  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 3:34:02pm

re: #259 LGoPs

The next brilliant government program I see coming is offering me money to trade in my uneaten cheeseburger for a coupon to go to Whole Foods and buy arugula…
/

A tax on sodas.

A one-penny-per-ounce tax is a start towards a black market in sodas…

272 kynna  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 3:34:16pm

re: #268 buzzsawmonkey

Can someone tell me what this is supposed to accomplish? Is this some sort of half-assed “conservation” measure to get people buying new cars (government motors bailout) and theoretically using less gas?

Well, hell; if the cars pass inspection, and the people can buy the gas, why not spend the same money increasing our domestic oil production? Or better yet—not spend the money, and let the oil companies that are champing at the bit to do the increase go ahead and do it?

Sssshhh! That might entail the government getting out of the way of recovery! How can they use the crisis if even a bit of the crisis is averted?
//

273 [deleted]  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 3:34:59pm
274 CyanSnowHawk  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 3:35:19pm

re: #269 Lincolntf

If things go really awry for Obama and the MSM, Hillary herself could use this issue against Obama in a primary. It’s the first time we’ve seen Obama fail so publicly and massively.

What? It happens to everyone once in a while.

/snicker

275 Mikey_Dallas  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 3:35:36pm

re: #267 kynna

Easier to make it illegal to eat an unregistered cheeseburger. Registration costs $25 quarterly.

Oops. A lightbulb just went off over the head of a government lurker. o_O

You mean a CFL bulb. Get your mind right, boy

276 Racer X  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 3:35:41pm

re: #271 solomonpanting

A tax on sodas.

A one-penny-per-ounce tax is a start towards a black market in sodas…

Yeah because drinking 12 Cokes a day will not make you fat, and taxing all soft drinks will make you thin.

277 debutaunt  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 3:35:58pm

re: #2 Fenway_Nation

Can we trade in this whole administration?

Does it have eligible or ineligible clunkiness?

278 J.S.  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 3:36:05pm

re: #239 CyanSnowHawk

According to the article, even with the additional 2 billion to prop it up, the program could be out of money in another two weeks…link to article here.

279 solomonpanting  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 3:36:21pm

re: #273 buzzsawmonkey

I’m surprised they haven’t increased tax on sodas on the grounds they release carbon dioxide into the atmosphere.

Seriously.

Thanks a lot for giving the Feds another reason for a tax.

280 DEZes  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 3:36:26pm

re: #273 buzzsawmonkey

I’m surprised they haven’t increased tax on sodas on the grounds they release carbon dioxide into the atmosphere.

Seriously.

If they do add more taxes to soda, it will be a fat tax, more politely called a health tax.
And you can bet its coming soon.

281 Russkilitlover  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 3:36:48pm

“Stimulus” sounds so good to a bureaucrat. Especially a Dem, but also too many Reps. It gives the appearance of actually helping, lending a boosting hand, using government resources to “drive” the economy forward. The only thing that drives the American economy forward is the initiative of the private sector. The risk takers, not the tax takers. It has been proven time and time again and it’s a lesson the Dems fail to even recognize, let alone adopt.

The Great Depression is the end all/be all for Dems. They want to look at all the “stimulus” jobs created by this vast public spending. They do not look at the reality that if not for WWII, our Great Depression economy would have languished in a debt-laden recession economy for decades (think the “Lost Decade” in Japan writ larger).

282 [deleted]  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 3:36:56pm
283 Russkilitlover  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 3:37:38pm

re: #281 Russkilitlover

Err… Meant to write the “New Deal,” not the Great Depression. Hopefully, ya’ll knew what I meant.

284 [deleted]  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 3:38:18pm
285 SasquatchOnSteroids  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 3:39:33pm

re: #282 buzzsawmonkey

That just shows the extent of the problem. We have to act now, people!

*Curls lip up like Carl Spackler.

License to kill gophers by the government of the United Nations. Man, free to kill gophers at will. To kill, you must know your enemy, and in this case my enemy is a varmint. And a varmint will never quit - ever. They’re like the Viet Cong - Varmint Cong. So you have to fall back on superior intelligence and superior firepower. And that’s all she wrote.

How’s that ?

286 CyanSnowHawk  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 3:41:24pm

re: #278 J.S.

According to the article, even with the additional 2 billion to prop it up, the program could be out of money in another two weeks…link to article here.

I didn’t miss the line in the WSJ article that said it had almost burned through $1Billion after 1 week.

287 Ojoe  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 3:41:26pm
288 DEZes  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 3:41:27pm

re: #285 SasquatchOnSteroids

*Curls lip up like Carl Spackler.

License to kill gophers by the government of the United Nations. Man, free to kill gophers at will. To kill, you must know your enemy, and in this case my enemy is a varmint. And a varmint will never quit - ever. They’re like the Viet Cong - Varmint Cong. So you have to fall back on superior intelligence and superior firepower. And that’s all she wrote.

How’s that ?

Were you an extra in Caddy Shack?

289 LGoPs  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 3:42:12pm

re: #281 Russkilitlover

“Stimulus” sounds so good to a bureaucrat. Especially a Dem, but also too many Reps. It gives the appearance of actually helping, lending a boosting hand, using government resources to “drive” the economy forward. The only thing that drives the American economy forward is the initiative of the private sector. The risk takers, not the tax takers. It has been proven time and time again and it’s a lesson the Dems fail to even recognize, let alone adopt.

The Great Depression is the end all/be all for Dems. They want to look at all the “stimulus” jobs created by this vast public spending. They do not look at the reality that if not for WWII, our Great Depression economy would have languished in a debt-laden recession economy for decades (think the “Lost Decade” in Japan writ larger).

I recall a couple of ‘stimulus’ payments forced through by Democrats during the Bush administration. One of them consisted of $300 per perosn. I remember cause I got one. At the risk of sounding elitist, the only industry this handout stimulated was the pizza take out industry.
Nobody was going to go out and buy a car or a house or even an electronic device on that amount, let alone take the money and create jobs.
But I remember the democrats feeling very good about themselves. And it was all a bunch of bullshit.
I don’t have a fancy Harvard degree but I did learn a long time ago that I’ve never gotten a job from a poor man. God bless the poor man, but he’s not going to give you or me a job.
Sheesh.

290 kynna  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 3:43:11pm

re: #275 Mikey_Dallas

You mean a CFL bulb. Get your mind right, boy

I haven’t been called a boy since seventh grade. *sniffs*

I admit, I didn’t specify the proper lighting equipment. A solar light would be even more efficient, and adequately reflect the level of brightness needed to come up with the idea of registering cheeseburgers.

Now, my son wants me to get off the computer so he can play. I know who’s in charge so, adios, ma’am. ;D

291 solomonpanting  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 3:43:19pm

I’m starting to wonder how bad four years with no President would be.

292 LGoPs  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 3:43:21pm

re: #268 buzzsawmonkey

Can someone tell me what this is supposed to accomplish? Is this some sort of half-assed “conservation” measure to get people buying new cars (government motors bailout) and theoretically using less gas?

Well, hell; if the cars pass inspection, and the people can buy the gas, why not spend the same money increasing our domestic oil production? Or better yet—not spend the money, and let the oil companies that are champing at the bit to do the increase go ahead and do it?

Drill baby, drill.

293 Lincolntf  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 3:43:49pm

re: #291 solomonpanting

We’re finding out right now.

294 CyanSnowHawk  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 3:44:02pm

re: #288 DEZes

Were you an extra in Caddy Shack?

That was back when he was known as GopherOnSteriods.

295 SasquatchOnSteroids  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 3:44:16pm

re: #288 DEZes

Were you an extra in Caddy Shack?

One of the bushes.

296 VegasRick  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 3:44:29pm

re: #286 CyanSnowHawk

I didn’t miss the line in the WSJ article that said it had almost burned through $1Billion after 1 week.

222,222 cars sold in a week?
I think there is a hole in that boatload of money.

297 Russkilitlover  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 3:44:41pm

re: #289 LGoPs

You would think that a sane person’s alarm bells would have been ringing at Obama’s boast about growing the economy from the “bottom up.”

298 solomonpanting  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 3:44:52pm

re: #295 SasquatchOnSteroids

One of the bushes.

Dubya?

299 _RememberTonyC  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 3:45:35pm

all your clunkers are belong to us

300 SasquatchOnSteroids  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 3:46:27pm

re: #296 VegasRick

222,222 cars sold in a week?
I think there is a hole in that boatload of money.

Hey, it’s in good hands.
Yah.

301 SasquatchOnSteroids  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 3:47:00pm

Sashya.

302 SasquatchOnSteroids  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 3:48:02pm

re: #298 solomonpanting

Dubya?

Sashya. damn, chopped it.

303 SasquatchOnSteroids  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 3:49:28pm

Clunker Czar - The gov’t worker ripping your old car apart looking for loose change.

304 CyanSnowHawk  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 3:49:46pm

re: #298 solomonpanting

Dubya?

You looked good in this shot.

305 Throbert McGee  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 3:50:12pm

re: #254 SasquatchOnSteroids

We’ve had quite enough problems with ID’s this week.

It’s those dang SUPEREGOs that get on my nerves — always hanging around just itching for an excuse to harangue you with a stern lecture…

♪♫
But IDs, just wanna have fuh-hun…
Oh, IDs, just wanna have fun!
♪♫

306 DEZes  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 3:50:59pm

re: #295 SasquatchOnSteroids

One of the bushes.

307 CynicalConservative  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 3:51:37pm

re: #293 Lincolntf

We’re finding out right now.

Is he ever going to stop campaigning? As much as I hate it, fuck, he won.

308 The Shadow Do  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 3:51:41pm

If you are a car salesman, this buy back program is great!

A great idea, if you are running a car dealership. Come on down to Obama Motors!

What a scam.

Chow down America.

Your tax dollars at work, of course.

/Obama would look great on late night TV in a checkered sport coat with a polka dot tie, running his mouth.

309 CyanSnowHawk  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 3:52:11pm

re: #303 SasquatchOnSteroids

Clunker Czar - The gov’t worker ripping your old car apart looking for loose change.

Speaking of which, would there be a good way to track all these cars to their “required to be scrapped” end? Just think the scandal the media could ignore if these cars found their way back onto the streets.

310 SasquatchOnSteroids  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 3:52:36pm

re: #306 DEZes

One of the bushes>/blockquote>


[Video]

That’s not porn, is it ?

//

311 DEZes  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 3:53:02pm

re: #310 SasquatchOnSteroids

Might be for gophers.

312 Racer X  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 3:53:02pm

re: #308 The Shadow Do

/Obama would look great on late night TV in a checkered sport coat with a polka dot tie, running his mouth.

…but wait there’s more!

313 LGoPs  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 3:54:29pm

re: #307 CynicalConservative

Is he ever going to stop campaigning? As much as I hate it, fuck, he won.

He did? I wonder if he knows?
*Major league fucking sarcasm…sarcasm so big that if it was a country it would be…China*

314 SasquatchOnSteroids  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 3:54:58pm

re: #309 CyanSnowHawk

Speaking of which, would there be a good way to track all these cars to their “required to be scrapped” end? Just think the scandal the media could ignore if these cars found their way back onto the streets.

Gov’t Auction In Your Area !

(800)BUY-USED.

315 _RememberTonyC  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 3:55:05pm

how much will Obama pay me for this clunker?

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com…]

316 LGoPs  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 3:55:42pm

re: #308 The Shadow Do

If you are a car salesman, this buy back program is great!

A great idea, if you are running a car dealership. Come on down to Obama Motors!

What a scam.

Chow down America.

Your tax dollars at work, of course.

/Obama would look great on late night TV in a checkered sport coat with a polka dot tie, running his mouth.

And white shoes. He needs to wear white shoes.

317 Killgore Trout  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 3:56:17pm

Bad news, everybody…It’s good news
U.S. stocks gain; best monthly Dow rise since ‘02

318 solomonpanting  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 3:56:31pm

re: #315 _RememberTonyC

how much will Obama pay me for this clunker?

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com…]

It’s not eligible because it still gets great mileage in the world press.

319 _RememberTonyC  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 3:56:47pm

re: #309 CyanSnowHawk

Speaking of which, would there be a good way to track all these cars to their “required to be scrapped” end? Just think the scandal the media could ignore if these cars found their way back onto the streets.

can you say “Chop Shop in Staten Island?”

320 LGoPs  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 3:57:34pm

Gaze

321 SasquatchOnSteroids  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 3:57:37pm

re: #315 _RememberTonyC

how much will Obama pay me for this clunker?

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com…]

$200,000,000

322 _RememberTonyC  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 3:57:45pm

re: #318 solomonpanting

It’s not eligible because it still gets great mileage in the world press.

I dunno … I heard he was going pay hamas about $900 million for it.

323 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 3:57:48pm

re: #315 _RememberTonyC

how much will Obama pay me for this clunker?

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com…]

Bet he’ll give you Israel.

324 yochanan  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 3:58:13pm

re: #281 Russkilitlover

at least slick willie’s stimulus program only ended up costing a few million.

325 Killgore Trout  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 3:58:23pm

re: #309 CyanSnowHawk

Speaking of which, would there be a good way to track all these cars to their “required to be scrapped” end? Just think the scandal the media could ignore if these cars found their way back onto the streets.

I’m curious about that. I’m pretty sure it’s a myth that the cars are supposed to sent off to the crusher. Is that in the bill? I’m pretty sure those cars are to be resold by the dealerships. Can anyone verify that?

326 VegasRick  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 3:58:34pm

re: #320 LGoPs

Gaze

KT?

327 CynicalConservative  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 3:59:24pm

re: #317 Killgore Trout

Bad news, everybody…It’s good news
U.S. stocks gain; best monthly Dow rise since ‘02

Next up, mark to market for individual investors. Daily taxes due on market upticks.

I appreciate the information KT, but tire of the Bad News, it’s Good news meme you use, I think it’s beneath you honestly.

328 LGoPs  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 3:59:35pm

re: #326 VegasRick

KT?

Don’t wanna say…but yeah.

329 CyanSnowHawk  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 4:00:05pm

re: #308 The Shadow Do

If you are a car salesman, this buy back program is great!

A great idea, if you are running a car dealership. Come on down to Obama Motors!

What a scam.

Chow down America.

Your tax dollars at work, of course.

/Obama would look great on late night TV in a checkered sport coat with a polka dot tie, running his mouth.

It’s Barack Obama and his dog Spot!
If you want a car or truck, see Barack,
if you want to save a buck, see Barack,
He will stand upon his head,
til his ears are turning red,
see Barack,
see Barack,
see Barack

If you wanna sell your car, see Barack

330 CynicalConservative  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 4:00:14pm

re: #320 LGoPs

Gaze

Beer?

331 LGoPs  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 4:00:36pm

re: #330 CynicalConservative

Beer?

I’d love one…
:)

332 solomonpanting  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 4:00:44pm

re: #322 _RememberTonyC

I dunno … I heard he was going pay hamas about $900 million for it.

Yes, but he won’t retire it. (Well, new tires would help.)
It still runs on Israeli blood.

333 DEZes  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 4:01:15pm

re: #331 LGoPs

I’d love one…
:)

I have one, slides one to LGOPs.

334 CynicalConservative  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 4:01:16pm

re: #331 LGoPs

I’d love one…
:)

Have a few on me.

335 CyanSnowHawk  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 4:01:25pm

re: #329 CyanSnowHawk

It’s Barack Obama and his dog Spot!
If you want a car or truck, see Barack,
if you want to save a buck, see Barack,
He will stand upon his head,
til his ears are turning red,
see Barack,
see Barack,
see Barack

If you wanna sell your car, see Barack

Whoops, pay no attention to the left over brainstorming notes.

336 debutaunt  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 4:01:27pm

re: #264 DEZes

I see me going to work to help pay for some leaches new car.

You are so nice to pay for their new house and new car.

337 Killgore Trout  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 4:02:02pm

re: #325 Killgore Trout

I’m curious about that. I’m pretty sure it’s a myth that the cars are supposed to sent off to the crusher. Is that in the bill? I’m pretty sure those cars are to be resold by the dealerships. Can anyone verify that?

Wrong…
What happens to the vehicle I trade in?


The CARS Act requires that the trade-in vehicle be crushed or shredded so that it will not be resold for use in the United States or elsewhere as an automobile. The entity crushing or shredding the vehicles in this manner will be allowed to sell some parts of the vehicle prior to crushing or shredding it, but these parts cannot include the engine or the drive train.


That does seem stupid to me. It would be better for the economy to fold those cars back into the market place.

338 LGoPs  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 4:02:08pm

re: #333 DEZes

I have one, slides one to LGOPs.

Thanks buddy. Gulp…gulp…gurgle…Aaaah!
:)

339 solomonpanting  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 4:02:16pm

re: #331 LGoPs

I’d love one…
:)

Beauty is in the eye of the beer holder.

340 SasquatchOnSteroids  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 4:02:30pm

re: #331 LGoPs

I’d love one…
:)

I’m at the “leave the bottle” point.

341 Charpete67  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 4:03:04pm
342 Shug  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 4:03:09pm

re: #315 _RememberTonyC

how much will Obama pay me for this clunker?

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com…]

oh about 5 million is the average

343 JCM  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 4:03:10pm

Cash for Clunkers.

Currently 62 million cars on the road, how many are clunkers? No clue.

Cash for clunkers $1B, paying $3,500 to $4,500 each. Let’s split the difference and call the average payout $4,000 (makes the math easier too!). That works out to 250,000 clunkers.

What’s the overhead? How much of the $1B is actually going out the door to buy clunkers. Let’s be generous and keep the math simple, 20% over head (I’d bet it’s closer to 50%), leaves $800M to buy clunkers, or 200,000 cars.

So the $1B clash for clunkers will remove a whopping 0.32% of the cars from the road. An additional $2B for a total of $3B gets 0.96% of the cars off the road.

Each of those cars removed is replace by a new one. So the actual net of cars on the road doesn’t change.

A quick high level summary of emission. Let’s make some quick broad assumption. 1) the 1% (rounding up) of cars removed contribute 5% total auto emissions (WAG). 2) The cars have 80% less emissions. So for 3 billion we reduce auto emission by a grand total of 4%.

CAFE Standard is 27.5, and clunker is 19mpg (IIRC). In 2005 the US average mpg was 21 mpg. Converting a mere 1% of the total US vehicle fleet to 27.5 mpg CAFE standard is going to have a negligible effect. 19mpg to 27.5mpg, approximately 50% improvement, but applied to 1% of the fleet nets a 0.50% improvement for the total average. If we use a better case, 14mpg cars to 27.5 cars on average for a 100% increase the net’s 1% across the fleet.

The average 21mpg jumps to 21.21mpg all for $3,000,000,000.00.

For $12 Billion dollars we can get to 22mpg.

344 DEZes  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 4:03:26pm

re: #336 debutaunt

You are so nice to pay for their new house and new car.

Soon I’ll be paying for their health care too.
Cant wait till I get to help pay for their vacations.

345 VegasRick  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 4:03:51pm

re: #340 SasquatchOnSteroids

I’m at the “leave the bottle” point.

I don’t even put the cap back on anymore.

346 _RememberTonyC  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 4:04:01pm

re: #332 solomonpanting

Yes, but he won’t retire it. (Well, new tires would help.)
It still runs on Israeli blood.

it’s a nice metaphor for his foreign policy …

347 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 4:04:17pm

re: #325 Killgore Trout

I’m curious about that. I’m pretty sure it’s a myth that the cars are supposed to sent off to the crusher. Is that in the bill? I’m pretty sure those cars are to be resold by the dealerships. Can anyone verify that?


Q: What will happen to the car I trade in?

A: The car will be sent to the salvage yard. Some parts may be kept but the engine and drive-train must be destroyed. Specifically the engine will be injected with a liquid glass solution to permanently disable the engine and it will be the responsibility of the dealer to make sure this is done to the engine.

348 CynicalConservative  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 4:04:25pm

re: #337 Killgore Trout

That does seem stupid to me. It would be better for the economy to fold those cars back into the market place.

I honestly thought (think) the program is about carbon vs. stimulus, hence the shredding vs. resale.

349 CyanSnowHawk  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 4:04:54pm

re: #337 Killgore Trout

That does seem stupid to me. It would be better for the economy to fold those cars back into the market place.

Not if the one of the underlying reasons for this program is to pull low mpg cars/trucks off the road. It may not be sold as such, but it’s pretty obvious that this was intended.

350 solomonpanting  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 4:05:02pm

re: #343 JCM

Currently 62 million cars on the road

Over 250,000,000.

351 Racer X  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 4:05:40pm

re: #317 Killgore Trout

Bad news, everybody…It’s good news
U.S. stocks gain; best monthly Dow rise since ‘02

Why is this bad news?

352 SasquatchOnSteroids  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 4:05:41pm

re: #344 DEZes

Soon I’ll be paying for their health care too.
Cant wait till I get to help pay for their vacations.

Yep. I get one decent one a year, they’ll get…more than that.

Wheee.

353 The Shadow Do  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 4:05:43pm

re: #317 Killgore Trout

Bad news, everybody…It’s good news
U.S. stocks gain; best monthly Dow rise since ‘02

Not bad news at all, it is a testament to the inherent strength of the American economy. Something that when said previously brought great derision to that awful Bush guy.

354 callahan23  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 4:06:19pm

re: #333 DEZes

I have one, slides one to LGOPs.

Pass me another if you will. I could use one my friend.
Hi Lizardia!

355 BlueCanuck  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 4:06:37pm

re: #343 JCM

Nice massaging of the numbers.

356 yochanan  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 4:06:37pm

re: #347 Cannadian Club Akbar

yeah sure. enough crooks out there will end up re seling the thing at the junk yard or else were.

357 HoosierHoops  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 4:06:43pm

re: #354 callahan23

Pass me another if you will. I could use one my friend.
Hi Lizardia!

What up!

358 CynicalConservative  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 4:06:58pm

re: #351 Racer X

Why is this bad news?

He says it’s bad news because we may just have to give credit to the current administration for doing something right; hence “bad news”. A tiring meme.

359 DEZes  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 4:07:13pm

re: #354 callahan23

Pass me another if you will. I could use one my friend.
Hi Lizardia!

You sure you dont want top shelf scotch?

(Callahan)

360 Killgore Trout  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 4:07:16pm

re: #337 Killgore Trout

Interesting to read the bill here: TITLE XIII—CONSUMER ASSISTANCE TO RECYCLE AND SAVE PROGRAM (pdf)

361 Racer X  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 4:07:20pm

re: #337 Killgore Trout

That does seem stupid to me. It would be better for the economy to fold those cars back into the market place.

Wouldn’t that defeat the whole purpose of the program?

362 _RememberTonyC  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 4:08:05pm

re: #317 Killgore Trout

Bad news, everybody…It’s good news
U.S. stocks gain; best monthly Dow rise since ‘02


you make the mistake of thinking we’re like those scumbag leftists who rooted against our collective financial interests out of hatred for the POTUS. I’m a nice guy, so I won’t tell you to shove it, but many of us do NOT roll that way.

363 BlueCanuck  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 4:08:20pm

re: #353 The Shadow Do

The bad news is that the majority of the Stimulus spending hasn’t been spent yet. People were panicking and now things are on the upswing.

364 VegasRick  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 4:08:58pm

re: #358 CynicalConservative

He says it’s bad news because we may just have to give credit to the current administration for doing something right; hence “bad news”. A tiring meme.

I think the market going up is a direct result of Wall Street seeing “0” losing ground on all of his asshole policies.

365 Killgore Trout  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 4:09:32pm

re: #351 Racer X

Why is this bad news?

I’m just making light of the doom and gloom economic predictions.

366 callahan23  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 4:09:52pm

re: #357 HoosierHoops

re: #359 DEZes

You sure you dont want top shelf scotch?

(Callahan)

You are right. On your advice I just unscrewed my bottle Paddys. Hmmmh, theat smell, brightens my mood and of course the lot of you.

367 SixDegrees  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 4:10:08pm

re: #296 VegasRick

222,222 cars sold in a week?
I think there is a hole in that boatload of money.

Actually, deals have been struck for this program since July 1; they couldn’t be consummated until the 24th, but there were a lot of deals sitting in the pipeline beforehand. It’s a lot more than a single week’s worth of deals.

Continuing to extend the program because it’s wildly popular, though, is a huge mistake. If it’s going to be extended, that extension needs to be justified by some sort of economic calibration matching expected benefit against the outlays. I’m not seeing that part happening, and there are downsides to allowing the program to run for a long period of time.

368 LGoPs  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 4:10:09pm

CK on Hugh hewitt right now talking about the Cars Program. Says that it requires the turned in cars to be destroyed which will create a shortage in the used cars and parts market making it harder on poor people.
Says it’s in service of the religion of global warming.
Jeez loooeez.

369 The Shadow Do  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 4:10:28pm

re: #363 BlueCanuck

The bad news is that the majority of the Stimulus spending hasn’t been spent yet. People were panicking and now things are on the upswing.

Too bad there is no way I know of to pull that money back. Huge, huge waste of my money and our collective future.

370 HoosierHoops  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 4:10:41pm

re: #366 callahan23

re: #359 DEZes

You are right. On your advice I just unscrewed my bottle Paddys. Hmmmh, theat smell, brightens my mood and of course the lot of you.

Let’s get this party started!
/Good evening

371 bill in tx  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 4:10:54pm

At the top of the list is a 1987 Alfa Romeo GTV. There was never any such car sold in the USA. Leave it to the gub’ ment.

372 BlueCanuck  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 4:11:12pm

re: #365 Killgore Trout

I’m just making light of the doom and gloom economic predictions.

I know that I am speaking for a lot of lizards here, can you please stop it? It’s gotten rather tired and stale. I don’t mind the odd bit of good news, and the way you present it is part of the issue.

373 CynicalConservative  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 4:11:29pm

=re: #364 VegasRick

I think the market going up is a direct result of Wall Street seeing “0” losing ground on all of his asshole policies.

Any reason for market uptick is OK by me. Better if it’s egg on 0’s face, but that’s a personal thing.

374 CynicalConservative  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 4:11:56pm

re: #365 Killgore Trout

I’m just making light of the doom and gloom economic predictions.

Gallows humor? ;-)

375 aboo-Hoo-Hoo  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 4:11:59pm

Turn-in that working gas-hog clunker then go into debt with a new car loan on a hybrid.

Vunderbar. Makes perfect sense to me.

376 Racer X  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 4:12:37pm

re: #365 Killgore Trout

I’m just making light of the doom and gloom economic predictions.

Ahh.

*looks around room*

I don’t see many Paulians here.

We are all invested in seeing America prosper. There are very few here that are rooting for our economy to fail because it makes Obama look bad. Obama will look bad no matter what the economy does. If the economy does well, my stock portfolio does well.

377 Killgore Trout  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 4:13:04pm

re: #372 BlueCanuck

I know that I am speaking for a lot of lizards here, can you please stop it?


No. Get used to good economic news.
/Inshallah

378 VegasRick  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 4:13:08pm

re: #375 aboo-Hoo-Hoo

Turn-in that working gas-hog clunker then go into debt with a new car loan on a hybrid.

Vunderbar. Makes perfect sense to me.

“Can’t we all just get aloan!”

379 jcm  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 4:13:19pm

re: #350 solomonpanting

Over 250,000,000.

Opps, grabbed a screwball number.

Reduce my results by a factor of 4! Even less results for the money.

380 The Shadow Do  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 4:13:21pm

re: #365 Killgore Trout

I’m just making light of the doom and gloom economic predictions.

I wouldn’t pooh pooh the doom and gloom just yet. We’ve been down so long it looks like up is an old saying with a bit of truth to it.

Lots of hopeful people out there.

381 CynicalConservative  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 4:13:37pm

re: #378 VegasRick

“Can’t we all just get aloan!”

Oh no, you didn’t…

382 debutaunt  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 4:14:51pm

re: #331 LGoPs

I’d love one…
:)

You are the official LGF beer czar.

383 callahan23  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 4:14:57pm

re: #368 LGoPs

CK on Hugh hewitt right now talking about the Cars Program. Says that it requires the turned in cars to be destroyed which will create a shortage in the used cars and parts market making it harder on poor people.
Says it’s in service of the religion of global warming.
Jeez loooeez.

Really bad juju. Same thing is being tried since at least half a year in Germany, practically killed the used car market. All the independent used car dealers who made a good living are now on the dole.
All the turned in cars where required to be destroyed.
Really bad economics.

384 LGoPs  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 4:14:57pm

re: #376 Racer X

Ahh.

*looks around room*

I don’t see many Paulians here.

We are all invested in seeing America prosper. There are very few here that are rooting for our economy to fail because it makes Obama look bad. Obama will look bad no matter what the economy does. If the economy does well, my stock portfolio does well.

In stark contrast to the Left which really wanted America to lose in Iraq and Afghanistan…just to score points against Bush. There is a world of difference between us and them. One side puts country first. The other puts their partisan Democratic political interests first.
*Spit*

385 Racer X  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 4:15:04pm

re: #377 Killgore Trout

No. Get used to good economic news.
/Inshallah

The question is - will the economy do well because of what O does, or in spite of it?

386 LGoPs  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 4:15:39pm

re: #383 callahan23

Really bad juju. Same thing is being tried since at least half a year in Germany, practically killed the used car market. All the independent used car dealers who made a good living are now on the dole.
All the turned in cars where required to be destroyed.
Really bad economics.

Fucking central planning. I hate it.

387 The Shadow Do  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 4:15:40pm

How to get a spike in the market -

Put a stake in the heart of the stimulas spending orgy.

388 VegasRick  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 4:16:10pm

re: #381 CynicalConservative

Oh no, you didn’t…

“I did, I did!”

389 CynicalConservative  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 4:16:13pm

re: #382 debutaunt

You are the official LGF beer czar.

We really should have him submit his tax returns, if he’s not delinquent, he’s not eligible for this position.

390 Racer X  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 4:16:28pm

re: #384 LGoPs

In stark contrast to the Left which really wanted America to lose in Iraq and Afghanistan…just to score points against Bush. There is a world of difference between us and them. One side puts country first. The other puts their partisan Democratic political interests first.
*Spit*

We need a “Fuckin’ A!” button to click.

Upding.

391 Killgore Trout  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 4:16:28pm

re: #361 Racer X

As JCM pointed out upthread it’s not even making a dent in the number of gas guzzlers on the road. I don’t think it could even realistically expanded enough to even make a difference in that respect. It’s stupid.
However, as a stimulus measure to get people buying cars, spending money, etc it might be effective. As a means to remove certain cars from the road it’ll be a failure.

392 LGoPs  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 4:16:30pm

re: #382 debutaunt

You are the official LGF beer czar.

I’ll hop right to the task.
:)

393 DEZes  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 4:16:32pm

re: #366 callahan23

re: #359 DEZes

You are right. On your advice I just unscrewed my bottle Paddys. Hmmmh, theat smell, brightens my mood and of course the lot of you.

re: #366 callahan23

re: #359 DEZes

You are right. On your advice I just unscrewed my bottle Paddys. Hmmmh, theat smell, brightens my mood and of course the lot of you.

Beers to you

394 SasquatchOnSteroids  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 4:16:41pm

I sleep well at night. I neither need nor want any government help with my life. Some people are rightfully disabled or unable to work and I will gladly pay my taxes to help those people.
It’s Mr Gimme I’ve got an issue with, and there only seems to be more of them every day. Obama’s going to pay this, he’s going to do that, I don’t have to pay my mortgage anymore, and THANK YOU OBAMA FOR VISITING US TODAY, HALLELUJAH ! Any wonder why the rolls are getting full and the real taxpayers are getting pissed ?
But I’m still going to go to work, save my money, not rely on SS for my retirement and be as little burden on anyone but my boss (That’s the fun part of the day).

I sleep just fine at night.

395 JHW  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 4:17:06pm

re: #365 Killgore Trout

KT, I’ve a source you might be interested in , although the economic forecasts and discussions are beyond me. They are, in general, pretty gloomy. Several PDFs available on revenues and expenditures, most states are desperately trying to tax their way to balance, which seems more than counter-productive to me.
National Association of State Budget Officers

Not light reading, but there is a lot of information at this site.

396 HoosierHoops  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 4:17:10pm

re: #382 debutaunt

You are the official LGF beer czar.

Hey! what? I thought that was my job on Friday nights!
I’m calling Barry…This Beer summit has just begun.
/

397 CynicalConservative  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 4:17:13pm

re: #385 Racer X

The question is - will the economy do well because of what O does, or in spite of it?

I would expect the latter.

398 albusteve  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 4:17:31pm

re: #325 Killgore Trout

I’m curious about that. I’m pretty sure it’s a myth that the cars are supposed to sent off to the crusher. Is that in the bill? I’m pretty sure those cars are to be resold by the dealerships. Can anyone verify that?

399 DEZes  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 4:17:34pm

re: #370 HoosierHoops

Let’s get this party started!
/Good evening

Hell yeah, hows the vacation so far.

400 debutaunt  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 4:18:09pm

re: #344 DEZes

Soon I’ll be paying for their health care too.
Cant wait till I get to help pay for their vacations.

Free vacation in Maui, on DEZes!

401 CynicalConservative  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 4:18:22pm

re: #391 Killgore Trout

As JCM pointed out upthread it’s not even making a dent in the number of gas guzzlers on the road. I don’t think it could even realistically expanded enough to even make a difference in that respect. It’s stupid.
However, as a stimulus measure to get people buying cars, spending money, etc it might be effective. As a means to remove certain cars from the road it’ll be a failure.

Agree. Stimulus, somewhat. Carbon reduction - Joke.

402 albusteve  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 4:18:32pm

re: #377 Killgore Trout

No. Get used to good economic news.
/Inshallah

NO!

403 VegasRick  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 4:18:36pm

re: #394 SasquatchOnSteroids

I sleep well at night. I neither need nor want any government help with my life. Some people are rightfully disabled or unable to work and I will gladly pay my taxes to help those people.
It’s Mr Gimme I’ve got an issue with, and there only seems to be more of them every day. Obama’s going to pay this, he’s going to do that, I don’t have to pay my mortgage anymore, and THANK YOU OBAMA FOR VISITING US TODAY, HALLELUJAH ! Any wonder why the rolls are getting full and the real taxpayers are getting pissed ?
But I’m still going to go to work, save my money, not rely on SS for my retirement and be as little burden on anyone but my boss (That’s the fun part of the day).

I sleep just fine at night.

Bravo!

404 callahan23  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 4:18:49pm

re: #386 LGoPs

Fucking central planning. I hate it.

And of course all for the greater good. Those pesky independent car dealers where in the market only for the baaad buck, ooh we can’t have capitalism. It is way better to subsidize the industrial ‘worker’. Hammer and sickle, anyone?

405 DEZes  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 4:19:19pm

re: #400 debutaunt

Free vacation in Maui, on DEZes!

Crap, better get that 3rd job.

406 albusteve  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 4:19:34pm

how can we connive BOs downfall if the markets go up?…

407 Racer X  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 4:19:42pm

re: #391 Killgore Trout

As JCM pointed out upthread it’s not even making a dent in the number of gas guzzlers on the road. I don’t think it could even realistically expanded enough to even make a difference in that respect. It’s stupid.
However, as a stimulus measure to get people buying cars, spending money, etc it might be effective. As a means to remove certain cars from the road it’ll be a failure.

Agreed. But isn’t one of the selling points about reducing our carbon fartprint?

408 HoosierHoops  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 4:20:04pm

re: #399 DEZes

Hell yeah, hows the vacation so far.


Thanks…It’s going great!
Hope you are well DEZ

409 Killgore Trout  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 4:20:41pm

re: #385 Racer X

The question is - will the economy do well because of what O does, or in spite of it?

We’ll leave that up to the historians and economists to sort out later but I can guarantee you that Obama is doing somethings correctly, others not so much. The only thing I’m certain of is that the decisions being made now to save the economy are being made by Dems and universally opposed by Republicans. I don’t think it’s going to look good when we look back on all this in 4-6 years.
Even if Obama does make some serious mistake the Republicans can’t really get credit for opposing him because they’re opposing everrything including the good ideas (whatever they may be).

410 LGoPs  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 4:20:50pm

re: #394 SasquatchOnSteroids

I sleep well at night. I neither need nor want any government help with my life. Some people are rightfully disabled or unable to work and I will gladly pay my taxes to help those people.
It’s Mr Gimme I’ve got an issue with, and there only seems to be more of them every day. Obama’s going to pay this, he’s going to do that, I don’t have to pay my mortgage anymore, and THANK YOU OBAMA FOR VISITING US TODAY, HALLELUJAH ! Any wonder why the rolls are getting full and the real taxpayers are getting pissed ?
But I’m still going to go to work, save my money, not rely on SS for my retirement and be as little burden on anyone but my boss (That’s the fun part of the day).

I sleep just fine at night.

Hoooah! Major upding.

411 callahan23  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 4:20:50pm

re: #393 DEZes

Beers to you

Thanks (DEZes)

412 DEZes  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 4:21:30pm

re: #408 HoosierHoops

Thanks…It’s going great!
Hope you are well DEZ

Its Friday, the beers cold and my Lizard friends are here.
Life is good.

413 Killgore Trout  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 4:21:30pm

re: #395 JHW

Good link but that stuff is waaay over my head.

414 VegasRick  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 4:21:49pm

re: #406 albusteve

how can we connive BOs downfall if the markets go up?…

Easy!
Healthcare BS fails - Markets go up!
Cap and Tax fails - Markets go up!
Etc, etc, etc.

415 albusteve  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 4:22:13pm

re: #409 Killgore Trout

We’ll leave that up to the historians and economists to sort out later but I can guarantee you that Obama is doing somethings correctly, others not so much. The only thing I’m certain of is that the decisions being made now to save the economy are being made by Dems and universally opposed by Republicans. I don’t think it’s going to look good when we look back on all this in 4-6 years.
Even if Obama does make some serious mistake the Republicans can’t really get credit for opposing him because they’re opposing everrything including the good ideas (whatever they may be).

you got your unicorn didn’t you?…save the economy?…from what?…from who?

416 SasquatchOnSteroids  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 4:23:02pm

re: #405 DEZes

Crap, better get that 3rd job.

I’ll take a pepperoni and sausage.

417 albusteve  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 4:23:05pm

re: #414 VegasRick

Easy!
Healthcare BS fails - Markets go up!
Cap and Tax fails - Markets go up!
Etc, etc, etc.

when it finally crashes to the bottom…
we’ll all be rich again!

418 Erik The Red  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 4:23:19pm

My quest will continue. Wings get a 6. Pizza also a 6. My true test for pizza is when it is cold so I may down grade it tomorrow.

419 BlueCanuck  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 4:23:21pm

re: #409 Killgore Trout

He’s had some good ideas? Really? Going to have to go back and see if I can find some.

420 _RememberTonyC  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 4:23:22pm

I saw Michael Steele on TV today. I finally saw a bit of emotion and fire. It’s about time … Bravo Michael … keep it up.

421 capitalist piglet  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 4:23:56pm

re: #106 pink freud

Wow. Good digging there. Nice job, dopple, if you’re around.

422 CynicalConservative  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 4:24:00pm

re: #409 Killgore Trout

We’ll leave that up to the historians and economists to sort out later but I can guarantee you that Obama is doing somethings correctly, others not so much. The only thing I’m certain of is that the decisions being made now to save the economy are being made by Dems and universally opposed by Republicans. I don’t think it’s going to look good when we look back on all this in 4-6 years.
Even if Obama does make some serious mistake the Republicans can’t really get credit for opposing him because they’re opposing everrything including the good ideas (whatever they may be).

That’s a well thought out and clearly delivered statement. Can you provide any examples of the last statement

including the good ideas (whatever they may be)

. Not trying to be a jerk, just really interested in what you think has been a good idea.

423 jcm  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 4:24:01pm

re: #407 Racer X

Agreed. But isn’t one of the selling points about reducing our carbon fartprint?

Shut down congress, single largest source of CO2 known to man.

424 LGoPs  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 4:24:05pm

re: #416 SasquatchOnSteroids

I’ll take a pepperoni and sausage.

LOL…

425 BlueCanuck  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 4:24:22pm

re: #418 Erik The Red

Ah, the proper test of any pizza. That’s why Pizza Hut always gets a failing grade from me. :)

426 JHW  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 4:24:27pm

re: #413 Killgore Trout

Yeah me too, and it would probably cure my insomnia. I’ll just leave a link to one of their more easy to digest articles at that site that highlights the problem.
US States Taxing Their Way Out of Fiscal Crisis

427 albusteve  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 4:24:49pm

re: #420 _RememberTonyC

I saw Michael Steele on TV today. I finally saw a bit of emotion and fire. It’s about time … Bravo Michael … keep it up.

he let a valuable year go by…he raises money, remember?

428 DEZes  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 4:25:15pm

re: #416 SasquatchOnSteroids

I’ll take a pepperoni and sausage.

8 years of collage down the drain.

429 LGoPs  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 4:25:18pm

re: #420 _RememberTonyC

I saw Michael Steele on TV today. I finally saw a bit of emotion and fire. It’s about time … Bravo Michael … keep it up.

We need more fire in the belly.

430 _RememberTonyC  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 4:25:27pm

re: #422 CynicalConservative

. Not trying to be a jerk, just really interested in what you think has been a good idea.


Buying a beer for a Cop is his best idea so far.

431 DEZes  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 4:25:37pm

re: #424 LGoPs

LOL…

What are you laughing at co-pilot?

432 _RememberTonyC  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 4:26:05pm

re: #427 albusteve

he let a valuable year go by…he raises money, remember?

they said on FNC that he’s actually doing OK in that area.

433 LGoPs  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 4:26:35pm

re: #428 DEZes

8 years of collage down the drain.

Yeah but I thought you were Pre-Law? Or was that Pre-Med? Never mind…what’s the difference?
:)

434 debutaunt  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 4:26:35pm

re: #389 CynicalConservative

We really should have him submit his tax returns, if he’s not delinquent, he’s not eligible for this position.

The cool thing about the czars is they don’t need vetting. I think that is why Obama started with all the czaring.

435 albusteve  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 4:27:02pm

re: #429 LGoPs

We need more fire in the belly.

drink some Beam…

436 SasquatchOnSteroids  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 4:27:03pm

re: #418 Erik The Red

My quest will continue. Wings get a 6. Pizza also a 6. My true test for pizza is when it is cold so I may down grade it tomorrow.

BIG TIME UPDING. Cold pizza is the true test of its value.
My kind of gourmet.

437 LGoPs  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 4:27:12pm

re: #431 DEZes

What are you laughing at co-pilot?

The image he put in my head, my friend.
Nyuk, nyuk.
:)

438 DEZes  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 4:27:14pm

re: #433 LGoPs

Yeah but I thought you were Pre-Law? Or was that Pre-Med? Never mind…what’s the difference?
:)

My mothers gonna kill me.

439 _RememberTonyC  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 4:27:22pm

re: #429 LGoPs

We need more fire in the belly.

fire in the belly + good ideas + legit criticism of Dems = Future Victories

440 DEZes  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 4:27:55pm

re: #437 LGoPs

The image he put in my head, my friend.
Nyuk, nyuk.
:)

You know how to get a guy with a third job off your porch?

441 albusteve  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 4:28:30pm

re: #432 _RememberTonyC

they said on FNC that he’s actually doing OK in that area.

I ragged about this a year ago…opinion then was he’s no spokesman

442 CynicalConservative  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 4:28:38pm

re: #434 debutaunt

The cool thing about the czars is they don’t need vetting. I think that is why Obama started with all the czaring.

As much as I appreciate the sentiment, it’s been shown here that Obama is not the first to appoint Czars, no convenient link though. He may be taking it over the top though.

443 BlueCanuck  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 4:28:53pm

re: #430 _RememberTonyC

Buying a beer for a Cop is his best idea so far.

Yeah, unfortunately it was an attempt to remove his foot from his mouth. He only gets half an up ding for that.

444 CyanSnowHawk  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 4:29:17pm

re: #433 LGoPs

Yeah but I thought you were Pre-Law? Or was that Pre-Med? Never mind…what’s the difference?
:)

collage?

Sounds more like craft store to me.

445 LGoPs  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 4:29:23pm

re: #440 DEZes

You know how to get a guy with a third job off your porch?

I’ll bite. How?

446 SasquatchOnSteroids  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 4:29:42pm

re: #431 DEZes

What are you laughing at co-pilot?

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.
I got tears…

heeheee.

447 DEZes  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 4:30:11pm

re: #445 LGoPs

I’ll bite. How?

Pay him for the pizza.

448 HoosierHoops  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 4:30:17pm

re: #418 Erik The Red

My quest will continue. Wings get a 6. Pizza also a 6. My true test for pizza is when it is cold so I may down grade it tomorrow.

Ahhh the quest for the Secret Grail of Pizza…This is a journey only you can take…The fun part is finding the best pizza joint in town…
:)

449 LGoPs  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 4:30:35pm

re: #447 DEZes

Pay him for the pizza.

LOL…
:)

450 DEZes  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 4:32:18pm

re: #446 SasquatchOnSteroids

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.
I got tears…

heeheee.

Big foots dont cry…

451 albusteve  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 4:32:22pm

re: #443 BlueCanuck

Yeah, unfortunately it was an attempt to remove his foot from his mouth. He only gets half an up ding for that.

no…zip, zero

452 Racer X  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 4:32:26pm

re: #409 Killgore Trout

The only thing I’m certain of is that the decisions being made now to save the economy are being made by Dems and universally opposed by Republicans.

Really?

I thought it was republicans who first proposed the bank bailouts? Obama tripled down, and threw in all kinds of other crap.

Oh, and what exactly is Obama doing well?

453 Alberta Oil Peon  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 4:33:26pm

re: #173 Eowyn2

And her name was Magda, not Magna.

454 debutaunt  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 4:33:41pm

re: #442 CynicalConservative

As much as I appreciate the sentiment, it’s been shown here that Obama is not the first to appoint Czars, no convenient link though. He may be taking it over the top though.

Absolutely. I’m referring to the new quantity of czars.

455 SasquatchOnSteroids  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 4:33:52pm

re: #450 DEZes

Big foots dont cry…

That one just caught me right. I needed that laugh.

456 CynicalConservative  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 4:35:05pm

re: #454 debutaunt

Absolutely. I’m referring to the new quantity of czars.

Got it. Thanks. We are in full agreement.

457 DEZes  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 4:35:14pm

re: #455 SasquatchOnSteroids

That one just caught me right. I needed that laugh.

Friendly snarks can be fun. ;)

458 Killgore Trout  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 4:36:00pm

re: #422 CynicalConservative

. Not trying to be a jerk, just really interested in what you think has been a good idea.


TARP comes to mind. It worked. It saved our financial infrastructure. The government even made money off the deal…

Goldman already paid $318 million in preferred dividends on the $10 billion in TARP funds it received, which it repaid in full last month.

Combined with the warrant repurchases, Goldman has paid the government $1.42 billion, for an annualized return of 23 percent.

I think when economists look back at the crisis TARP will be accepted as a good idea. Conservatives rabidly opposed it. There are thousands of pictures of Tea Party protesters waving signs about not bailing out the banks. The Wall Street Journal op-ed page(along with Fox news and many conservatives blogs) told us it was a secret plan for Obama to nationalize the economy and that TARP would never be allowed to be repaid.
It was a good idea, the correct thing to do and was rabidly opposed by the right.

459 Erik The Red  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 4:36:18pm

re: #448 HoosierHoops

Ahhh the quest for the Secret Grail of Pizza…This is a journey only you can take…The fun part is finding the best pizza joint in town…
:)

Yeah that and putting on 20 pounds. :)

460 SasquatchOnSteroids  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 4:36:52pm

re: #457 DEZes

Friendly snarks can be fun. ;)

So where’s my Fuckin’ pizza, dude. I’ts almost $3.00 off time.

//

461 albusteve  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 4:37:20pm

re: #457 DEZes

Friendly snarks can be fun. ;)

here’s some snark…

462 Killgore Trout  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 4:37:53pm

re: #452 Racer X

Bush was correct to start TARP. It’s debatable but it might have been a mistake to allow Lehman Bros to fail. Obama was correct to continue TARP.

463 DEZes  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 4:37:57pm

re: #460 SasquatchOnSteroids

So where’s my Fuckin’ pizza, dude. I’ts almost $3.00 off time.

//

Its on the porch, you stiffed me on the tip last time..

464 callahan23  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 4:38:02pm

re: #459 Erik The Red

Yeah that and putting on 20 pounds. :)

That fast? You are in the States since when again?
;-)

465 albusteve  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 4:39:03pm

re: #462 Killgore Trout

Bush was correct to start TARP. It’s debatable but it might have been a mistake to allow Lehman Bros to fail. Obama was correct to continue TARP.

end it there…

466 SasquatchOnSteroids  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 4:40:42pm

re: #463 DEZes

Its on the porch, you stiffed me on the tip last time..

Sorry about that. I should actually say thanks and slide you a drink.
Cheers.

467 CynicalConservative  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 4:41:09pm

re: #458 Killgore Trout

I think when economists look back at the crisis TARP will be accepted as a good idea. Conservatives rabidly opposed it. There are thousands of pictures of Tea Party protesters waving signs about not bailing out the banks. The Wall Street Journal op-ed page(along with Fox news and many conservatives blogs) told us it was a secret plan for Obama to nationalize the economy and that TARP would never be allowed to be repaid.
It was a good idea, the correct thing to do and was rabidly opposed by the right.

Not sure if I agree that it worked, also don’t know if the alternative of nothing would have been better or worse. I do agree with the assertion that historians will think it was a good idea, action is often looked on as a positive vs. inaction; regardless of the end result.

468 Erik The Red  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 4:41:25pm

re: #464 callahan23

That fast? You are in the States since when again?
;-)

Fortunately the only fast food I do is pizza. I hate the rest. My wife and I can both cook well.

469 Racer X  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 4:41:45pm

re: #462 Killgore Trout

Bush was correct to start TARP. It’s debatable but it might have been a mistake to allow Lehman Bros to fail. Obama was correct to continue TARP.

Well, history will tell.

But in my mind, the government should stay the heck away from bailing everyone and their brother out of bad financial decisions. Sends the wrong message - “screw up and big brother will fix it”.

Just ask EF Hutton. He no longer speaks.

470 DEZes  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 4:41:50pm

re: #466 SasquatchOnSteroids

Sorry about that. I should actually say thanks and slide you a drink.
Cheers.

Cheers mate.

471 HoosierHoops  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 4:42:08pm

re: #459 Erik The Red

Yeah that and putting on 20 pounds. :)

If you scrap everything off a pizza and only eat the veggies and meat you will never get fat…
The Carbs from the crust are deadly… That’s why I like pizza pies…I never eat the crust…
/I have no scientific evidence…Just a college experience…
*wink*

472 albusteve  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 4:43:22pm

re: #468 Erik The Red

Fortunately the only fast food I do is pizza. I hate the rest. My wife and I can both cook well.

if you live in metro Orlando there should be plenty of good pizza…there is no pizza in ABQ that I know of, or Italian

473 [deleted]  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 4:43:48pm
474 Alberta Oil Peon  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 4:44:35pm

re: #198 SixDegrees

Of course, the owners of low-mileage cars are penalized, every time they fill the tank.

The only rational way to look at it is to look at the total cost of ownership: fuel, maintenance, insurance, and finance charges. A 1995 pickup that gets only 15 mpg, but is fully paid for, might well have an overall cost of ownership that is lower than that of 2009 pickup that gets 29 mpg, and is being financed. That $400 per month finance charge will buy a lot of fuel, you know. And if you finance, you must have collision insurance, which is costly. Drive an older rig, and you can self-insure, and get crash parts, if needed from the junkyard or aftermarket.

And on the other side of the coin, with an older vehicle, the carbon footprint of its very manufacture has been largely amortized by the utility it has provided. A brand new vehicle sitting on a car lot has a huge carbon footprint, even before a tank of gas has been burned in it.

475 wrenchwench  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 4:45:06pm

re: #473 Lincolntf

Have you seen tfk’s results from his research into the Tea Parties?

476 callahan23  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 4:46:09pm

re: #468 Erik The Red

Fortunately the only fast food I do is pizza. I hate the rest. My wife and I can both cook well.

That’s great, so you’ll not only be my Orlando tour guide but also …
Tryin’ awfully for an invite. You’ve watered my mouth, my appetite is peaked. ;-)

477 SasquatchOnSteroids  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 4:46:12pm

re: #471 HoosierHoops

If you scrap everything off a pizza and only eat the veggies and meat you will never get fat…
The Carbs from the crust are deadly… That’s why I like pizza pies…I never eat the crust…
/I have no scientific evidence…Just a college experience…
*wink*

Very bad, I used to order Pan pizzas from the local Dominos with nothing on it but butter. It’s like a big English Muffin. Delicious and terribly fattening, but I was younger and burned those calories, so it wasn’t a big deal. Can’t do that anymore.

478 Lincolntf  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 4:47:16pm

re: #475 wrenchwench

Nope. I trust the real world. ‘Net surveys (whether they help or hurt my cause) are a sample of less than 1/100th of 1 percent of actual humans.
I’ll take the real world any day.

479 albusteve  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 4:47:54pm

re: #473 Lincolntf

Your ignorance (compounded by your incessant Nazi-site mining) has left you ill-informed about the Tea Parties. I don’t hope to educate you, that ship has long sailed.
I just wish you’d examine things fully before you render judgment on them. Kinda like I wish Obama would keep his racist spasms under wraps until he got the facts. Not gonna happen, I know.
Hopefully, most LGF readers see you as the third-rate shill for Leftism that you really are.

lighten up please…KT hit a bulls eye with regard to the tea parties…there are degrees of significance, but his research and predictions are not debatable…the rest is beneath you

480 CynicalConservative  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 4:48:02pm

re: #475 wrenchwench

Have you seen tfk’s results from his research into the Tea Parties?

I think KT is/was early right on this one. Took tons of flack too.

481 Bloodnok  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 4:48:30pm

re: #462 Killgore Trout

Bush was correct to start TARP. It’s debatable but it might would have been a mistake to allow Lehman Bros to fail. Obama was correct to continue TARP.

I agree.

482 Erik The Red  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 4:48:42pm

re: #472 albusteve

if you live in metro Orlando there should be plenty of good pizza…there is no pizza in ABQ that I know of, or Italian

Sucks to be me. 30 minutes North of metro. :(

483 wrenchwench  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 4:49:21pm

re: #478 Lincolntf

Nope. I trust the real world. ‘Net surveys (whether they help or hurt my cause) are a sample of less than 1/100th of 1 percent of actual humans.
I’ll take the real world any day.

TFK was an enthusiast, went to a bunch of meetings and an April Tea Party, but when he got back from the 4th of July one (this was in Texas, I don’t know whether that counts as “the real world” to you) he was opposed to them.

484 HoosierHoops  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 4:49:34pm

re: #477 SasquatchOnSteroids

Very bad, I used to order Pan pizzas from the local Dominos with nothing on it but butter. It’s like a big English Muffin. Delicious and terribly fattening, but I was younger and burned those calories, so it wasn’t a big deal. Can’t do that anymore.

For Gods Sakes…It’d rather be a bouncer at the 9th gate of hell than eat any Domino’s pizza…
*wink*

485 albusteve  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 4:50:15pm

re: #482 Erik The Red

Sucks to be me. 30 minutes North of metro. :(

home is where you hand your hat amigo…it takes me thirty minutes to cross town…and welcome home bro, you will find your pizza

486 callahan23  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 4:50:58pm

re: #477 SasquatchOnSteroids

Very bad, I used to order Pan pizzas from the local Dominos with nothing on it but butter. It’s like a big English Muffin. Delicious and terribly fattening, but I was younger and burned those calories, so it wasn’t a big deal. Can’t do that anymore.

Otherwise the SasquatchOnSteroids looks more like this.

487 albusteve  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 4:51:01pm

re: #478 Lincolntf

Nope. I trust the real world. ‘Net surveys (whether they help or hurt my cause) are a sample of less than 1/100th of 1 percent of actual humans.
I’ll take the real world any day.

then you should back up a bit…jus sayin

488 SasquatchOnSteroids  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 4:51:08pm

re: #484 HoosierHoops

For Gods Sakes…It’d rather be a bouncer at the 9th gate of hell than eat any Domino’s pizza…
*wink*

I had $6.00 and was humgry. Whatchgonna do ?

489 Erik The Red  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 4:51:18pm

re: #473 Lincolntf

Go have a beer Linc. We have lost to many good Lizards over this. Just put him on GAZE if you have to.

490 SasquatchOnSteroids  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 4:52:16pm

re: #486 callahan23

Otherwise the SasquatchOnSteroids looks more like this.

Siberspasse eated me.

491 Erik The Red  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 4:52:42pm

re: #476 callahan23

That’s great, so you’ll not only be my Orlando tour guide but also …
Tryin’ awfully for an invite. You’ve watered my mouth, my appetite is peaked. ;-)

I gave you one the other night. Anytime brother, anytime.

492 Shug  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 4:53:21pm

re: #225 Killgore Trout

I know this is going to fall on deaf ears but…
The GOP (and conservatives) are squandering a huge opportunity here. There’s actually a good chance that the cash for clunkers program is a good idea. It seems to be working. I know that’s unthinkable but maybe people should look at supporting the good ideas instead of blindly opposing everything. TARP is a good example. It worked but the right pretty much universally opposed it.

In two years the economy will probably be well into recovery. Some of the actions taken by Obama are going to work (gasp!). It would be nice if at least some Republicans were on record supporting the recovery of the economy.

People really need to start thinking long term. What’s the economy really going to look like in 2 years? 4 years? 8 years? I mean really, not Glenn beck/Rush Limbaugh fantasies. They’re still invested in the stock market. Chances are you are too because you know the economy is going to recover. Otherwise you’d cash out, invest in gold ingots and build a bomb shelter in the woods.

The economy is going to recover, we should participate in that.


Living in The Detroit Area, with 20-25% unemployment, I say whatever boosts the American car companies I am all for it.

If a republican had just said : 4500 cash no questions asked towards the purchase of a new car, I think a lot of people would have been on board.

Democrats hate the trickle down econ, but this is sort of what cash for clunkers is.

I’d rather see an across the board tax cut or incentive for everybody, than these targeted programs that excludes lots of people but I agree, republicans need to get on board good programs.

the democrats could help by not shutting republicans out of 100% of the legislative process though

493 DEZes  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 4:53:32pm

re: #486 callahan23

Otherwise the SasquatchOnSteroids looks more like this.

Page cant be found. :(

494 [deleted]  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 4:53:40pm
495 Racer X  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 4:55:32pm

re: #489 Erik The Red

KT is alright. I’d buy him a beer. I may not agree with everything he says but he is alright.

496 callahan23  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 4:56:31pm

re: #493 DEZes

Page cant be found. :(

Oops, my bad. Here again:
Otherwise the SasquatchOnSteroids looks more like this.

497 Van Helsing  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 4:56:32pm

re: #367 SixDegrees

Actually, deals have been struck for this program since July 1; they couldn’t be consummated until the 24th, but there were a lot of deals sitting in the pipeline beforehand. It’s a lot more than a single week’s worth of deals.

Continuing to extend the program because it’s wildly popular, though, is a huge mistake. If it’s going to be extended, that extension needs to be justified by some sort of economic calibration matching expected benefit against the outlays. I’m not seeing that part happening, and there are downsides to allowing the program to run for a long period of time.

The states love it because of sales tax, license and registration fees.
The auto dealers and manufacturers love it for obvious reasons.

498 Erik The Red  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 4:57:15pm

re: #495 Racer X

KT is alright. I’d buy him a beer. I may not agree with everything he says but he is alright.

I will cook or let KT cook for me any day. We will find common ground to have a drink over. It just will not be politics. :)

499 albusteve  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 4:57:46pm

re: #494 Lincolntf

I deal with the real world. I make my judgments on what I personally do or see.
Some 14-year old Nazi with a website isn’t gonna change what I know. I don’t think Killgore even pretends to know the people he quotes/cites in his attacks on the Tea Parties. It’s all Net-slop masquerading as “truth”.

why does he have to know the people he cites?…otherwise their stuff is all over the net…say what you will but KT was right all along…drop the hostility and save it for the lunatics…KT is no lunatic

500 SasquatchOnSteroids  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 4:58:00pm

re: #496 callahan23

Oops, my bad. Here again:
Otherwise the SasquatchOnSteroids looks more like this.

Snap ! Where do I sign up ?

501 CynicalConservative  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 4:58:02pm

re: #492 Shug


the democrats could help by not shutting republicans out of 100% of the legislative process though

Alas that I have but one Up-Ding to give. I’m one of those sick bastards who watches C-Span nearly daily (1, 2 or 3), the disenfranchisement is sickening. Full disclosure, I’m a new watcher so haven’t seen previous power shifts behavior, just the current. Sick regardless.

502 Shug  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 4:59:00pm

re: #489 Erik The Red

Go have a beer Linc. We have lost to many good Lizards over this. Just put him on GAZE if you have to.

seconded.

take the night off linc.

seriously

503 SasquatchOnSteroids  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 4:59:39pm

re: #496 callahan23

Oops, my bad. Here again:
Otherwise the SasquatchOnSteroids looks more like this.

Oh, and I wanna be the one on the left. Dude’s got perfect posture.

/

504 Killgore Trout  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 4:59:43pm

re: #498 Erik The Red

Happy hour has just arrived here on the left coast: Pop, sluuurp, ahhh…
/Cheers

505 wrenchwench  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 4:59:44pm

re: #494 Lincolntf

I deal with the real world. I make my judgments on what I personally do or see.
Some 14-year old Nazi with a website isn’t gonna change what I know. I don’t think Killgore even pretends to know the people he quotes/cites in his attacks on the Tea Parties. It’s all Net-slop masquerading as “truth”.

Here’s a report from the real world:

464 taxfreekiller7/05/2009 1:42:08 pm PDT

the Dallas tea party tfk helped with

to many Ron Pauls and nirthers,

some of the ones in charge are

Laup Nor’s
they even allowed the Laup Nors to hit up people inside the deal

they even allowed a “nither booth full of kooks”

tfk is done with them,

Cracked Tea Pot is what,

very big danger this kook
Ron Paul shit.

tfk ended up in a confrontation with the Laup Nors and left early
will not give them the time of day now, to bad, some of the people
are ok, just not enough power to stop it,

the talk show guys who helped need to get the word
on air about what they were doing as MC’s on stage
while the Laup Nor’s were hawking Ron’s looney shit
right behind the stage they were on…

IMO, the Dallas Tax Tea Party of July 4th 2099 sucked big time…

506 callahan23  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 5:00:27pm

re: #491 Erik The Red

I gave you one the other night. Anytime brother, anytime.

You are one good Lizard. Thanks. Don’t know yet how the green card lottery pans out. Time will tell. If nothing of that sort materializes I’ll certainly do a vacation in the States within the next two years.

507 Erik The Red  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 5:00:29pm

re: #504 Killgore Trout

Happy hour has just arrived here on the left coast: Pop, sluuurp, ahhh…
/Cheers

And back at you. :)

508 wrenchwench  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 5:00:56pm

re: #496 callahan23

Oops, my bad. Here again:
Otherwise the SasquatchOnSteroids looks more like this.

Those are the most cuddly long-horns I’ve ever seen.

509 albusteve  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 5:01:02pm

re: #504 Killgore Trout

Happy hour has just arrived here on the left coast: Pop, sluuurp, ahhh…
/Cheers

you are so…structured
Happy Hour is relative where I’m at

510 Alberta Oil Peon  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 5:01:06pm

re: #325 Killgore Trout

I’m curious about that. I’m pretty sure it’s a myth that the cars are supposed to sent off to the crusher. Is that in the bill? I’m pretty sure those cars are to be resold by the dealerships. Can anyone verify that?

Supposedly, the cars are to be crushed, and the engines rendered useless by draining the oil, filling the crankcase with sodium silicate solution, and running the engine until it seizes. As a gearhead, I find this to be about as morally objectionable as euthanizing a pet, simply because you’re tired of it.

I see a window of opportunity for backyard businesses to pre-prep “clunker-cash” eligible cars by stripping out good power trains, interiors, and easily-removed body panels, and replacing them with barely-functional junk from the scrapyards. You could about a thousand bucks worth of good parts from a so-called “clunker” and make it into a for-real clunker, and still get the four and half G’s from Obama.

511 CynicalConservative  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 5:01:36pm

re: #504 Killgore Trout

Happy hour has just arrived here on the left coast: Pop, sluuurp, ahhh…
/Cheers

We’re local, gotta trade beers sometime. Big into gardening/canning, interested in your hydro/aeroponics stuff. (Yeah, interested in politics too).

512 SasquatchOnSteroids  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 5:01:56pm

re: #505 wrenchwench

I did not see that. Thanks.

513 BlueCanuck  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 5:02:29pm

re: #504 Killgore Trout

Happy hour has just arrived here on the left coast: Pop, sluuurp, ahhh…
/Cheers

Hooray for beer, hooray for beer, that’s the reason that we are all here.
Hooray for beer, hooray for beer, the only thing we can agree on…

/part of a chorus for a song by same name. Band: Stratochief Album: In search of the Seven Foot Woman.

514 DEZes  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 5:02:43pm

This is the guy that keeps stiffing me on the pizza’s officer…
Hey whats with the white coat?

515 albusteve  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 5:02:55pm

re: #505 wrenchwench

thanks for that

516 wrenchwench  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 5:03:54pm

re: #512 SasquatchOnSteroids

I did not see that. Thanks.

It’s an eyeopener, if one is not willfully blind.

517 Shug  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 5:03:59pm

re: #418 Erik The Red

My quest will continue. Wings get a 6. Pizza also a 6. My true test for pizza is when it is cold so I may down grade it tomorrow.

cold pizza usually equals sobriety.

if they could serve cold pizza when you are drunk and warm freah pizza in the morning, that would be more fair

518 SasquatchOnSteroids  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 5:04:08pm

re: #514 DEZes

This is the guy that keeps stiffing me on the pizza’s officer…
Hey whats with the white coat?

Hey, there’s no reason to bring Chris Dodd into all of this.

519 albusteve  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 5:04:31pm

re: #510 Alberta Oil Peon

Supposedly, the cars are to be crushed, and the engines rendered useless by draining the oil, filling the crankcase with sodium silicate solution, and running the engine until it seizes. As a gearhead, I find this to be about as morally objectionable as euthanizing a pet, simply because you’re tired of it.

I see a window of opportunity for backyard businesses to pre-prep “clunker-cash” eligible cars by stripping out good power trains, interiors, and easily-removed body panels, and replacing them with barely-functional junk from the scrapyards. You could about a thousand bucks worth of good parts from a so-called “clunker” and make it into a for-real clunker, and still get the four and half G’s from Obama.

Road Warrior…egads

520 Sharmuta  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 5:04:55pm

re: #505 wrenchwench

Thank you for that. I missed it before, and I’m glad to see it.

tfk- +1

521 Killgore Trout  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 5:04:56pm

re: #509 albusteve

you are so…structured
Happy Hour is relative where I’m at

Since I work at home I do have to structure my day. Otherwise I’d sleep late, have wine with lunch, followed by a nap. I goof off a lot but if I didn’t impose some sort of structure I just wouldn’t get anything done. I went fishing 3-4 days a week for 6 months or so a few years back. Got nothing done and had to tighten my self discipline.

522 Shug  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 5:05:02pm

re: #513 BlueCanuck

Hooray for beer, hooray for beer, that’s the reason that we are all here.
Hooray for beer, hooray for beer, the only thing we can agree on…

/part of a chorus for a song by same name. Band: Stratochief Album: In search of the Seven Foot Woman.


I’ll drink to that you f’ing Canuck!

523 Shug  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 5:06:01pm

re: #521 Killgore Trout

Since I work at home I do have to structure my day. Otherwise I’d sleep late, have wine with lunch, followed by a nap. I goof off a lot but if I didn’t impose some sort of structure I just wouldn’t get anything done. I went fishing 3-4 days a week for 6 months or so a few years back. Got nothing done and had to tighten my self discipline.


or you could just go to work for the federal government and sleep late, have wine with lunch, nap, and goof off

think about it

524 CynicalConservative  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 5:06:12pm

re: #521 Killgore Trout

Since I work at home I do have to structure my day. Otherwise I’d sleep late, have wine with lunch, followed by a nap. I goof off a lot but if I didn’t impose some sort of structure I just wouldn’t get anything done. I went fishing 3-4 days a week for 6 months or so a few years back. Got nothing done and had to tighten my self discipline.

Hmmm, That’s where I’m at now. Damn, gotta buckle down.

525 Killgore Trout  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 5:06:14pm

re: #511 CynicalConservative

Somebody had a Portland lizard meetup a few years ago. I forget who put that one together.

526 callahan23  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 5:06:32pm

re: #508 wrenchwench

Those are the most cuddly long-horns I’ve ever seen.

Scottish Highland Cattle, them are. ;-)
Cute as hell.

527 CynicalConservative  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 5:07:02pm

re: #525 Killgore Trout

Somebody had a Portland lizard meetup a few years ago. I forget who put that one together.

Only been here for a year. Maybe the next one; not much of an organizer.

528 albusteve  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 5:07:27pm

re: #521 Killgore Trout

Since I work at home I do have to structure my day. Otherwise I’d sleep late, have wine with lunch, followed by a nap. I goof off a lot but if I didn’t impose some sort of structure I just wouldn’t get anything done. I went fishing 3-4 days a week for 6 months or so a few years back. Got nothing done and had to tighten my self discipline.

I’m in the exact same situation…scary huh?…FEAR NOT!…we will endeavor to persevere!…(drink!)

529 SasquatchOnSteroids  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 5:07:46pm

re: #526 callahan23

Scottish Highland Cattle, them are. ;-)
Cute as hell.

Horny bastards, though.

530 albusteve  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 5:07:56pm

re: #520 Sharmuta

Thank you for that. I missed it before, and I’m glad to see it.

tfk- +1

yes…me too

531 doppelganglander  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 5:08:49pm

re: #521 Killgore Trout

Any tips? I work at home, too. I’ve got lunch and happy hour under control, but instead of working, I dawdle on LGF all day. Help!

532 albusteve  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 5:09:42pm

re: #531 doppelganglander

Any tips? I work at home, too. I’ve got lunch and happy hour under control, but instead of working, I dawdle on LGF all day. Help!

just stay away from the brown acid…you’ll be fine

533 wrenchwench  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 5:09:55pm

re: #520 Sharmuta

Thank you for that. I missed it before, and I’m glad to see it.

tfk- +1

I’m always impressed when somebody feels strongly one way about something, like the enthusiasm tfk had for the tea parties, but when confronted with facts, is willing and able to change his mind. Publicly.

534 SasquatchOnSteroids  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 5:09:55pm

re: #531 doppelganglander

Any tips? I work at home, too. I’ve got lunch and happy hour under control, but instead of working, I dawdle on LGF all day. Help!

Quit working.

/

535 callahan23  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 5:10:19pm

re: #505 wrenchwench

Thanks for the digging and re-post of tfk’s poetic Laup Nor - Teaparty connection proof.

536 capitalist piglet  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 5:10:38pm

What do you guys know about the seniors (who wanted to discuss health care) that were escorted by police away from outside of Feinstein’s office today?

What was wrong with them being there? I don’t understand.

537 doppelganglander  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 5:11:14pm

re: #534 SasquatchOnSteroids

Quit working.

/

If only! Unfortunately, they love me and pay me good money, although the checks are always late. Plus, the husband is unemployed.

538 BlueCanuck  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 5:11:26pm

re: #522 Shug

I’ll drink to that you f’ing Canuck!

*squints real hard* Is that you Dr.? ;)

/pours another shot…

539 CynicalConservative  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 5:11:57pm

re: #536 capitalist piglet

What do you guys know about the seniors (who wanted to discuss health care) that were escorted by police away from outside of Feinstein’s office today?

What was wrong with them being there? I don’t understand.

First I’ve heard of it but could be thead-worthy if there are links.

540 albusteve  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 5:12:23pm

re: #533 wrenchwench

I’m always impressed when somebody feels strongly one way about something, like the enthusiasm tfk had for the tea parties, but when confronted with facts, is willing and able to change his mind. Publicly.

tfk kicks ass…he is a large part of the reason I wanted to register here…we had some long, deep night talks…jus sayin

541 VegasRick  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 5:12:45pm

re: #536 capitalist piglet

What do you guys know about the seniors (who wanted to discuss health care) that were escorted by police away from outside of Feinstein’s office today?

What was wrong with them being there? I don’t understand.

“The peasants were revolting!”

542 CynicalConservative  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 5:13:26pm

re: #540 albusteve

tfk kicks ass…he is a large part of the reason I wanted to register here…we had some long, deep night talks…jus sayin

Took me a bit to “get” him, but now that I’ve got the internal decoder, it’s all cream cheese.

543 BlueCanuck  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 5:13:36pm

re: #541 VegasRick

“The peasants were revolting!”

Yes, yes they are. Give them some soap…

544 HoosierHoops  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 5:13:41pm

Speaking of food…
I’ll never forget the Friday Night Farmers Market’s on 3rd Street in Napa that you could buy freshly baked bread and hot butter…Heaven…It seemed like you could buy every kind of fresh baked bread in the world just by walking up 3rd to main…Just Heaven

545 CynicalConservative  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 5:13:48pm

re: #541 VegasRick

“The peasants were revolting!”

Yep, they stink on ice.

/

546 callahan23  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 5:13:52pm

re: #520 Sharmuta

Thank you for that. I missed it before, and I’m glad to see it.

tfk- +1

Ever since that post he gained a lot more respect I started to really ‘appreciate’ his poetic style. Though I readily admit that I don’t get a few posts of his.

547 tradewind  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 5:14:25pm

Okay lizards, this oughta do it. Just take this list, copy it and show it to any of your moonbat friends and relatives who actually want the Obamacare option. Now ask them to envision replacing the car models with medical procedures… These are the folks who change eligibilities at the drop of a hubcap… do you think your kid’s tonsillectomy will be any different?
The very first comment under the article nailed this concept:

The list is great! These are the same people who want to run your health care. So, you’re on the “table” and the end has been sawed off your femur—oops, the list just changed.
548 wrenchwench  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 5:14:31pm

re: #535 callahan23

Thanks for the digging and re-post of tfk’s poetic Laup Nor - Teaparty connection proof.

It was worth doing, since apparently some people missed it. It was a Sunday afternoon comment…

549 Killgore Trout  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 5:14:44pm

re: #531 doppelganglander

Try to keep a schedule. I spend to much time here when I should be working too but breaking up my day into sections does help.

550 DEZes  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 5:16:07pm

re: #541 VegasRick

“The peasants were revolting!”

They’ve always been revolting, now they are rebelling..
Thats a movie quote, just cant remember which movie. :(

551 SasquatchOnSteroids  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 5:16:09pm

re: #537 doppelganglander

If only! Unfortunately, they love me and pay me good money, although the checks are always late. Plus, the husband is unemployed.

I’ve never worked at home but I’ve from out of my house for the company I used to rep for. It’s very easy to get lazy and sleep an extra hour, take some time here and there. I finally wrote my schedule out and vowed to keep to it. Tough couple of weeks to begin but after that it was a breeze. Funny thing , after I got used to it I became very efficient and was usually done with my week before noon on Fridays. A nice little bonus.
Writing it down was probably the most important part of it looking back, though.

552 albusteve  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 5:16:27pm

re: #542 CynicalConservative

Took me a bit to “get” him, but now that I’ve got the internal decoder, it’s all cream cheese.

a ton of mojo, and it’s all pointed in one direction…personal freedom…dig that

553 albusteve  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 5:17:37pm

re: #544 HoosierHoops

Speaking of food…
I’ll never forget the Friday Night Farmers Market’s on 3rd Street in Napa that you could buy freshly baked bread and hot butter…Heaven…It seemed like you could buy every kind of fresh baked bread in the world just by walking up 3rd to main…Just Heaven

oh man…I want my mamma

554 Sharmuta  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 5:18:02pm

re: #533 wrenchwench

I’m always impressed when somebody feels strongly one way about something, like the enthusiasm tfk had for the tea parties, but when confronted with facts, is willing and able to change his mind. Publicly.

I agree. And thank you again for pointing it out, and bring the ‘fact checkin’ yer ass’ attitude. Always a good thing.

555 CynicalConservative  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 5:18:17pm

re: #550 DEZes

They’ve always been revolting, now they are rebelling..
Thats a movie quote, just cant remember which movie. :(

Mel Brooks: History of the World, Part I

556 capitalist piglet  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 5:19:10pm

re: #539 CynicalConservative

First I’ve heard of it but could be thead-worthy if there are links.

Video here (I saw the story at HotAir):

[Link: www.realclearpolitics.com…]

Not asking for a thread…just wondering what threat senior citizens could possibly be, that would justify their removal from a public place. Maybe they got rowdy or something. ; )

557 HoosierHoops  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 5:19:13pm

re: #553 albusteve

oh man…I want my mamma

Hi Steve! How goes it?

558 albusteve  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 5:19:50pm

re: #549 Killgore Trout

Try to keep a schedule. I spend to much time here when I should be working too but breaking up my day into sections does help.

that’s what I do…post, then work, then post again…I’m just finishing a load of patio furniture…I log off early and work at night…works for me

559 DEZes  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 5:20:34pm

re: #556 capitalist piglet

Video here (I saw the story at HotAir):

[Link: www.realclearpolitics.com…]

Not asking for a thread…just wondering what threat senior citizens could possibly be, that would justify their removal from a public place. Maybe they got rowdy or something. ; )

They were drinking prune juice and fixing to start some shit…

560 albusteve  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 5:20:47pm

re: #557 HoosierHoops

Hi Steve! How goes it?

sentiment…I can smell the fresh bread and butter

561 doppelganglander  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 5:21:01pm

re: #551 SasquatchOnSteroids

Thanks. I think it will get easier when my daughter goes back to school and my husband goes back to work. It’s always tough, but it’s worse during the summer and the holidays.

562 SasquatchOnSteroids  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 5:21:46pm

re: #559 DEZes

They were drinking prune juice and fixing to start some shit…

LMAO.

563 albusteve  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 5:22:53pm

re: #559 DEZes

They were drinking prune juice and fixing to start some shit…

Geritol and vodka…wook owt!

564 tradewind  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 5:23:29pm

re: #536 capitalist piglet

What was wrong with them being there?


They fell outside the guidelines for healthcare… under the Dem plan they would be reclassified as TOTTs.**
**Too Old To Treat
So it follows that they also fell into the subclass ’ the Invisibles’.
/Fight the Future!/

565 DEZes  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 5:23:50pm

re: #563 albusteve

Geritol and vodka…wook owt!

Walkers are gonna fly. ;)

566 SasquatchOnSteroids  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 5:24:31pm

re: #561 doppelganglander

Thanks. I think it will get easier when my daughter goes back to school and my husband goes back to work. It’s always tough, but it’s worse during the summer and the holidays.

Yep. Running interference between our schedules big time right now.
Just whacked out, but it always seems to work out in the end.
Perserverance and Patience. I don’t stress over many things anymore.
Well, until 1/20/09 that is, but we’ll survive.
Best of luck to you.

567 DEZes  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 5:26:01pm

re: #563 albusteve

Geritol and vodka…wook owt!

They were raising canes?

568 LGoPs  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 5:26:24pm

Later lizards

569 SasquatchOnSteroids  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 5:26:33pm

re: #565 DEZes

Walkers are gonna fly. ;)

Husband : We’re Not Gonna Take It !

Wife : What ?

H : I said, We’re Not Gonna Take It ?

W : Who are You ?

570 HoosierHoops  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 5:26:33pm

re: #560 albusteve

sentiment…I can smell the fresh bread and butter

I know my pops will probably hang out in a micro brewery on Main Street tonight in Napa…And drive home to an empty house…The loss of Mom has been devastating to our family…And Pops..I worry about him…He is so lonely

571 BlueCanuck  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 5:26:40pm

re: #567 DEZes

They were raising canes?

Depends…

572 CynicalConservative  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 5:26:40pm

re: #568 LGoPs

Later lizards

Caio.

573 callahan23  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 5:27:39pm

re: #568 LGoPs

Later lizards

Hasta la proxima, amigo. (LGoPs)

574 SasquatchOnSteroids  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 5:27:52pm

re: #570 HoosierHoops

I know my pops will probably hang out in a micro brewery on Main Street tonight in Napa…And drive home to an empty house…The loss of Mom has been devastating to our family…And Pops..I worry about him…He is so lonely

Darn, Hoops, sorry to hear that.
Strength, Bro.

575 DEZes  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 5:28:04pm

re: #571 BlueCanuck

Depends…

Touché. ;)

576 DEZes  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 5:28:27pm

re: #568 LGoPs

Later lizards

Later evil twin. ;)

577 BlueCanuck  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 5:29:20pm

re: #575 DEZes

What can I say? I get a little evil when I drink. It will all come out in the wash anyway.

578 DEZes  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 5:30:21pm

re: #577 BlueCanuck

What can I say? I get a little evil when I drink. It will all come out in the wash anyway.

Theres two of ya?
Oh vey.

579 callahan23  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 5:30:24pm

re: #570 HoosierHoops

I know my pops will probably hang out in a micro brewery on Main Street tonight in Napa…And drive home to an empty house…The loss of Mom has been devastating to our family…And Pops..I worry about him…He is so lonely

I wish him well. All the best to him.

580 DEZes  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 5:30:53pm

re: #570 HoosierHoops

I know my pops will probably hang out in a micro brewery on Main Street tonight in Napa…And drive home to an empty house…The loss of Mom has been devastating to our family…And Pops..I worry about him…He is so lonely

Sorry for the loss…

581 BlueCanuck  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 5:31:57pm

re: #578 DEZes

Theres two of ya?
Oh vey.

Nope just one. Well three if you count like I do. Me, myself, and I. And two of us are real bastards. *evil grin*

582 SixDegrees  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 5:33:17pm

re: #325 Killgore Trout

I’m curious about that. I’m pretty sure it’s a myth that the cars are supposed to sent off to the crusher. Is that in the bill? I’m pretty sure those cars are to be resold by the dealerships. Can anyone verify that?

No - that’s the whole point. To get low-mileage cars off the road forever. They are not going to be resold; they’re going to be crushed. This has been the cause of a good deal of criticism, because parts that have nothing to do with fuel consumption are also being destroyed instead of recycled, leading to an additional energy expenditure in the form of additional manufacturing activity.

No part of the car is supposed to be resold. It is to be completely removed from the marketplace.

583 DEZes  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 5:33:26pm

re: #581 BlueCanuck

Nope just one. Well three if you count like I do. Me, myself, and I. And two of us are real bastards. *evil grin*

Lgops calls me his evil twin, I was turning it on him.
How are you getting along this fine Friday?

584 albusteve  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 5:35:38pm

re: #570 HoosierHoops

I know my pops will probably hang out in a micro brewery on Main Street tonight in Napa…And drive home to an empty house…The loss of Mom has been devastating to our family…And Pops..I worry about him…He is so lonely

loneliness is killing my mom up in MI…she has all these friends and activities, but my dad is gone and she cannot get over it…63yrs is a long time

585 Erik The Red  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 5:36:50pm

Erik’s Friday tunes. Listening to Pink Floyd right now. The Wall disc 1.

586 wrenchwench  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 5:37:21pm

re: #584 albusteve

loneliness is killing my mom up in MI…she has all these friends and activities, but my dad is gone and she cannot get over it…63yrs is a long time

Maybe she’d like a trip to Napa? If only solutions were so easy…

587 albusteve  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 5:38:03pm

re: #585 Erik The Red

Erik’s Friday tunes. Listening to Pink Floyd right now. The Wall disc 1.

check out this gig…whoa

588 callahan23  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 5:39:48pm

re: #586 wrenchwench

Maybe she’d like a trip to Napa? If only solutions were so easy…

Yep, if .. only .. *sigh*

589 SasquatchOnSteroids  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 5:40:16pm

re: #584 albusteve

loneliness is killing my mom up in MI…she has all these friends and activities, but my dad is gone and she cannot get over it…63yrs is a long time

63 years. Just wow.

590 capitalist piglet  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 5:41:14pm

re: #582 SixDegrees

No - that’s the whole point. To get low-mileage cars off the road forever. They are not going to be resold; they’re going to be crushed. This has been the cause of a good deal of criticism, because parts that have nothing to do with fuel consumption are also being destroyed instead of recycled, leading to an additional energy expenditure in the form of additional manufacturing activity.

No part of the car is supposed to be resold. It is to be completely removed from the marketplace.

It does seem counterproductive in that it takes cars off the market that low income people could afford.

It reminds me of the Walmart Wars™ I used to see on DU; people with more money were chewing out those with less for shopping at Walmart, calling them traitors to Democrats. It would almost make you think a lot of them don’t give a rat’s ass about poor people at all.

591 albusteve  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 5:41:16pm

re: #586 wrenchwench

Maybe she’d like a trip to Napa? If only solutions were so easy…

she’s been all over the world…several times…she misses Charlie…me too, so much I could just cry sometimes…dad’s are like that sometimes

592 callahan23  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 5:44:31pm

re: #591 albusteve

Mine is alive ‘n kickin’. I treasure ‘im a lot. It is that with dads, I guess.

593 Shug  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 5:44:33pm

re: #570 HoosierHoops

I know my pops will probably hang out in a micro brewery on Main Street tonight in Napa…And drive home to an empty house…The loss of Mom has been devastating to our family…And Pops..I worry about him…He is so lonely


God Bless Him.

and your Mom too

594 wrenchwench  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 5:45:01pm

Good night {Lizards}

595 Erik The Red  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 5:45:21pm

re: #587 albusteve

check out this gig…whoa


They can still rock for old timers.

596 DEZes  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 5:45:24pm

re: #594 wrenchwench

Good night {Lizards}

Take good care Wrench.

597 HoosierHoops  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 5:45:59pm

re: #584 albusteve

loneliness is killing my mom up in MI…she has all these friends and activities, but my dad is gone and she cannot get over it…63yrs is a long time

It’s so sad to see time tear love apart…Nobody gets out alive..
Who we are in this moment in time will define us forever…
I miss you mom..And may God grant my dad strength and grace to carry on..
It’s all about that…

598 albusteve  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 5:46:21pm

re: #592 callahan23

Mine is alive ‘n kickin’. I treasure ‘im a lot. It is that with dads, I guess.

it is…we will say no more eh?

599 capitalist piglet  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 5:46:58pm

re: #591 albusteve

she’s been all over the world…several times…she misses Charlie…me too, so much I could just cry sometimes…dad’s are like that sometimes

Mine sure is. He’s been gone since ‘96, and I still dream about him, I still cry sometimes…he was a great man, but I never expected to be mourning after thirteen years, but I am. He left an awfully big void.

I’m sorry for your loss, Steve. And yours too, Hoops.

600 albusteve  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 5:47:18pm

re: #597 HoosierHoops

It’s so sad to see time tear love apart…Nobody gets out alive..
Who we are in this moment in time will define us forever…
I miss you mom..And may God grant my dad strength and grace to carry on..
It’s all about that…

it’s all about tomorrow

601 callahan23  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 5:47:32pm

re: #594 wrenchwench

Good night {Lizards}

Good Lizardess {wrenchwench}

602 BlueCanuck  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 5:47:59pm

re: #591 albusteve

she’s been all over the world…several times…she misses Charlie…me too, so much I could just cry sometimes…dad’s are like that sometimes

Glad you miss your dad. Wish I could miss mine. Give it time I guess. I will wait until it’s time. Unfortunately mine is still living.

/said story, but aren’t most of them?

603 horse  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 5:48:34pm

re: #458 Killgore Trout

I think when economists look back at the crisis TARP will be accepted as a good idea. Conservatives rabidly opposed it. There are thousands of pictures of Tea Party protesters waving signs about not bailing out the banks. The Wall Street Journal op-ed page(along with Fox news and many conservatives blogs) told us it was a secret plan for Obama to nationalize the economy and that TARP would never be allowed to be repaid.
It was a good idea, the correct thing to do and was rabidly opposed by the right.

KT, I know you mean well, but you are drawing a conclusion from a small portion of a another small portion of the TARP. It will be a few years until we actually know if all the money comes back and if we actually made a “profit” after consideration of unrecoverable assets, cost of capital etc… Not to mention there are democrats even now trying to pass laws to take the repaid TARP funds and spend it on other programs and not settle the debt the program created.

TARP was last fall, Obama had not been even elected yet. There were many on the “right” who were against it, but there were an equal amount who explained why it was necessary and supported it. The unique credit crunch in the fall was resolved using the first half of the TARP money. The second half in January was not needed, as can be seen by the large profits and multi-million dollar bonuses being paid as we speak. And while credit and cash flow exists, it has tightened significantly.

So, I would call TARP a mixed bag so far, it could have been considered successful if they didn’t go ahead and waste the extra $350 billion, and if we recover all the money plus interest in the years ahead. Time will tell, but not yet.

604 albusteve  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 5:48:34pm

one last time
DAD’S!


I’m cool

605 BlueCanuck  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 5:49:12pm

re: #594 wrenchwench

Good night {Lizards}

Night wrenchwench. A tune to carry you out the door.

606 albusteve  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 5:50:13pm

re: #605 BlueCanuck

Night wrenchwench. A tune to carry you out the door.


heh…I well remember those guys…thanks

607 albusteve  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 5:52:22pm

re: #603 horse

nice post

608 BlueCanuck  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 5:52:24pm

re: #606 albusteve

Some one linked it here about a year or so ago and I had it on my Youtube playlist. Had to go and dig it out again after it was removed one time. Just passing it back out and sharing it around.

609 DEZes  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 5:53:57pm

Gonna take my leave.
Thanks for the company (Lizards)

610 Shug  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 5:54:21pm

re: #609 DEZes

Gonna take my leave.
Thanks for the company (Lizards)

cheerio mate

611 albusteve  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 5:54:50pm

blues lovers

612 callahan23  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 5:56:50pm

re: #609 DEZes

Gonna take my leave.
Thanks for the company (Lizards)

Gute Nacht, my friend.

613 BlueCanuck  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 5:58:46pm

Night DEZes, have a good one.

614 Dancing along the light of day  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 6:00:03pm

re: #114 jamgarr

Jamgarr, if you’re still here?
I heard from Realwest today. He’s doing just OK.
He thought he might be on LGF tomorrow.

615 HoosierHoops  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 6:02:04pm

re: #614 Floral Giraffe

Jamgarr, if you’re still here?
I heard from Realwest today. He’s doing just OK.
He thought he might be on LGF tomorrow.

Realwest is the RealBest
great guy!

616 callahan23  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 6:07:28pm

re: #614 Floral Giraffe

Jamgarr, if you’re still here?
I heard from Realwest today. He’s doing just OK.
He thought he might be on LGF tomorrow.

Oh, what a relief. We were asking ourselves where he was and how he would do. Pink Freud and some others this morning.
Thanks for letting us know.

617 sjm_888  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 6:16:24pm

re: #587 albusteve

Saw recently on VH2 or MTV2 a special on Floyds Dark Side of the Moon album. David Gilmore over the years has had countless people tell him how blown away when they first head DSOTM and one regret he said is that he never got to experience that moment - the first time listening to that album.

618 Unakite  Fri, Jul 31, 2009 6:17:23pm

Government Suspends ‘Clunkers’ Program


I like this quote from a car salesman:

“If they can’t administer program like this, I’d be concerned about health insurance.”


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