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1 FurryOldGuyJeans  Sat, Aug 1, 2009 9:22:36pm

Kindle, kindle, who's got the kindle?

2 Noam Sayin'  Sat, Aug 1, 2009 9:29:36pm

I wonder if Bashar Assad has any of the same books.

3 sadhu  Sat, Aug 1, 2009 9:29:38pm

love my DX -- thanks for turning me onto it Charles, and thanks for your list!

4 Wasta  Sat, Aug 1, 2009 9:29:59pm

Basic Economics by Thomas Sowell would be a nice gift for Obama.

5 Pythagoras  Sat, Aug 1, 2009 9:32:57pm

Charles, my wife absolutely loves her DX and I would never have gotten it without your prodding. Thanks. The larger screen is a dream and the auto-rotate to landscape is sometimes a big plus.

I do wish the web browser could do more. Know any tricks? Specifically, I'd like to be able to call up maps from mapquest (or any other source) if I get stuck on the highway. This could come in handy in a pinch.

6 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Aug 1, 2009 9:33:51pm

re: #4 Wasta

Basic Economics by Thomas Sowell would be a nice gift for Obama.

He'd skim it, then throw it aside saying "These rules do not apply to me. I Am The One."

/spits on CBBHO

7 NJDhockeyfan  Sat, Aug 1, 2009 9:34:18pm

You guys seen the ObamaJoker posters popping up around LA?

8 BlueCanuck  Sat, Aug 1, 2009 9:36:20pm

*seethe*
I am dying to get one of those pieces of tech up here. My palm is good, but the Kindle looks better. I want! I want! I WANT! I WANT!

*sigh* It sometimes sucks to be a Canadian. So close to some cool stuff, yet so far away...

9 Noam Sayin'  Sat, Aug 1, 2009 9:38:07pm

Remember folks, when you order stuff at Amazon through a LGF link, Charles gets a piece of the action. So next time you're thinking of ordering anything from Amazon, throw out a link to it here, then use it to place your order. Bingo. You've just did Charles a solid for something you were going to do anyway.

10 Soona'  Sat, Aug 1, 2009 9:39:08pm

re: #6 Dark_Falcon

"These rules do not apply to me. I Am The One."

"Do not pay attention to the Democrats behind the curtain"!

11 sngnsgt  Sat, Aug 1, 2009 9:40:05pm

re: #7 NJDhockeyfan

LOL! I'm in Vegas, I hope they start making their way soon, I want one for the garage.

12 Gus  Sat, Aug 1, 2009 9:40:57pm

Kindle is just a plot so the Trilateral Commission can know what you are reading and if it determines that you shouldn't be reading it they will delete it from a remote location in Langley AFB. Then it will be used to round up dissident Kindle readers and put them into FEMA camps!

/Alex Jones: off

//

13 jaunte  Sat, Aug 1, 2009 9:41:53pm

Just finished Tim Powers' The Drawing of the Dark.
Finn McCool's Beer, The Heart of the West, Merlin and Arthur hold back Suleiman's Musselman hordes at Vienna.

14 sngnsgt  Sat, Aug 1, 2009 9:42:54pm

re: #7 NJDhockeyfan

You guys seen the ObamaJoker posters popping up around LA?

Just ran into this reply on a message board I found the poster at:

From boy wonder to joker in six months

15 Noam Sayin'  Sat, Aug 1, 2009 9:43:27pm

re: #8 BlueCanuck

Can't you do Kindle in Canada?

Have some Tragically Hip.

16 Soona'  Sat, Aug 1, 2009 9:43:41pm

re: #7 NJDhockeyfan

You guys seen the ObamaJoker posters popping up around LA?

Looks like maybe, at least, some in CA are starting to get it.

17 Racer X  Sat, Aug 1, 2009 9:45:26pm

re: #16 Soona'

Looks like maybe, at least, some in CA are starting to get it.

There's lots of us here in CA that get it.

18 acwgusa  Sat, Aug 1, 2009 9:45:39pm

I'm guessing not Orwell's 1984. Right, Charles?

/Ducks and runs.

19 zombie  Sat, Aug 1, 2009 9:46:43pm
Some recommended books I’m currently reading (or have just finished) on my Kindle, with one-line reviews:

Question: Charles, are these your reviews, or the pre-made reviews supplied by Amazon?

20 NJDhockeyfan  Sat, Aug 1, 2009 9:47:12pm

re: #14 sngnsgt

From boy wonder to joker in six months

LOL. Check out this video of The One being booed in Raleigh the other day. I've been seeing a few videos like this recently. I don't recall GWB getting this kind of treatment from anyone other than moonbats.

21 Dancing along the light of day  Sat, Aug 1, 2009 9:47:16pm

re: #7 NJDhockeyfan

You guys seen the ObamaJoker posters popping up around LA?

Too funny! That's the Highland Ave. on ramp to the 101 North! A VERY busy ramp! I drove it for many years on the way to work! It's near the center of Hollywood Liberal-ville. Very funny poster!

IIRC, there were Chief Gates* posters, not dissimilar to these 0bama ones.

*Former LAPD Chief, oversaw the dept. through the Rampart corruption scandal.

22 NJDhockeyfan  Sat, Aug 1, 2009 9:47:46pm

Oops...video here.

23 Killgore Trout  Sat, Aug 1, 2009 9:49:10pm

Baldy the Raccoon!!!

Yikes!

24 zombie  Sat, Aug 1, 2009 9:49:43pm

re: #5 Pythagoras

Charles, my wife absolutely loves her DX and I would never have gotten it without your prodding. Thanks. The larger screen is a dream and the auto-rotate to landscape is sometimes a big plus.

I do wish the web browser could do more. Know any tricks? Specifically, I'd like to be able to call up maps from mapquest (or any other source) if I get stuck on the highway. This could come in handy in a pinch.

This is EXACTLY what I predicted would happen: People are going to end up wanting their Kindles to act like computers, and their iPhones to act like Kindles, and their computers to act like iPhones, and in the not-very-distant future we'll have a single all-in-one product that will in fact do all the things of the mystery product described by Tom Waits in "Step Right Up."

25 legalpad  Sat, Aug 1, 2009 9:49:46pm

re: #18 acwgusa

I'm guessing not Orwell's 1984. Right, Charles?

/Ducks and runs.

Why not?

26 Soona'  Sat, Aug 1, 2009 9:50:00pm

re: #17 Racer X

There's lots of us here in CA that get it.

So, do you think these are put up by people who voted against the zero or people who voted for him, and finally saw what he really is.

27 sngnsgt  Sat, Aug 1, 2009 9:51:25pm

re: #23 Killgore Trout

Yikes! The hairy Raccoon doesn't know WTF to do...

28 Dancing along the light of day  Sat, Aug 1, 2009 9:51:26pm

re: #26 Soona'

So, do you think these are put up by people who voted against the zero or people who voted for him, and finally saw what he really is.

Or, people who use posters as a form of graffiti?
Which, is by many in LA, considered an art form.

29 Last Mohican  Sat, Aug 1, 2009 9:53:21pm

re: #26 Soona'

So, do you think these are put up by people who voted against the zero or people who voted for him, and finally saw what he really is.

My opinion: "socialism" would not be a dirty word to most people who voted for Obama, so they're probably not the ones who put up these signs. Nor would the idea of "socialism" be offensive to most people in California.

30 Vicious Babushka  Sat, Aug 1, 2009 9:53:36pm

Is it possible to rent a Kindle and use it for a while to decide if I want to buy one?

31 acwgusa  Sat, Aug 1, 2009 9:54:01pm
32 Killgore Trout  Sat, Aug 1, 2009 9:54:15pm

re: #20 NJDhockeyfan

I don't recall GWB getting this kind of treatment from anyone other than moonbats.


Bush got that at his inauguration.

33 Soona'  Sat, Aug 1, 2009 9:54:24pm

re: #28 Floral Giraffe

Or, people who use posters as a form of graffiti?
Which, is by many in LA, considered an art form.

Isn't the "artful" graffiti done with spray paint?

34 austin_blue  Sat, Aug 1, 2009 9:54:29pm

re: #23 Killgore Trout

Baldy the Raccoon!!!

[Video]

Yikes!

Sweet ham and eggs, that is one ugly case of alopecia!

35 BARACK THE VOTE  Sat, Aug 1, 2009 9:54:49pm

re: #25 legalpad

Why not?

A particular version of it (and 1984), purchased by customers, was auto-deleted by Amazon from people's Kindles because the company that was vending it didn't have the rights.

Paranoia and rage ensued. Pretty funny that it was Orwell titles!

36 Killgore Trout  Sat, Aug 1, 2009 9:55:07pm

re: #34 austin_blue

I couldn't sleep with that thing wandering around my yard.

37 BlueCanuck  Sat, Aug 1, 2009 9:55:20pm

re: #15 Noam Sayin'

Can't you do Kindle in Canada?

Have some Tragically Hip.

Have some more.

38 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Aug 1, 2009 9:55:36pm

re: #23 Killgore Trout

Baldy the Raccoon!!!

Yikes!

Feeding a raccoon is a very bad idea. They tend to keep trying for more food and they can be quite destructive. They also can carry rabies.

39 legalpad  Sat, Aug 1, 2009 9:55:42pm

re: #35 iceweasel

A particular version of it (and 1984), purchased by customers, was auto-deleted by Amazon from people's Kindles because the company that was vending it didn't have the rights.

Paranoia and rage ensued. Pretty funny that it was Orwell titles!

Oh, right. I remember.
Thanks

40 Dancing along the light of day  Sat, Aug 1, 2009 9:57:41pm

re: #33 Soona'

Someone, or a group of folks have used this poster type of "graffiti" before. I'm tired & the Gates poster is the only other one I can recall, right now, but I'm thinking there were 4-6 others...
They cropped up, overnight, and were very numerous. 100's or more...

41 Noam Sayin'  Sat, Aug 1, 2009 9:57:58pm

re: #24 zombie

Just lighten up and take the blue pill.

/

42 Dancing along the light of day  Sat, Aug 1, 2009 9:59:12pm

re: #30 Alouette

Is it possible to rent a Kindle and use it for a while to decide if I want to buy one?

I got to play with one today, & I wasn't really needful of one before. Now I WANT ONE! I could justify it, if I still traveled, but I do not. I still want one, though...

43 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Aug 1, 2009 9:59:16pm

re: #41 Noam Sayin'

Just lighten up and take the blue pill.

/

Don't you want to see how deep The Matrix goes?

/

44 BlueCanuck  Sat, Aug 1, 2009 9:59:18pm

re: #41 Noam Sayin'

Just lighten up and take the blue pill.

/

"I know kung-fu"
/

45 Noam Sayin'  Sat, Aug 1, 2009 10:02:00pm

re: #43 Dark_Falcon

Don't you want to see how deep The Matrix goes?

/

I wasn't sure which way to take that one: red pill, or blue pill?

re: #44 BlueCanuck

"I know kung-fu"
/

Show me.

46 ThingFish  Sat, Aug 1, 2009 10:02:05pm

re: #24 zombie


I love that song! And Tom Waits isn't bad either.

47 Dancing along the light of day  Sat, Aug 1, 2009 10:02:29pm

Heck, if Angeleyne can do billboards, in LA...
She's real, the pictures are way airbrushed.
Oh, and some consider her "famous"...
[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

48 BlueCanuck  Sat, Aug 1, 2009 10:02:33pm

Ooooh Bobcaygeon...

Now that's a Central Ontario winter.

/been there in the spring through the Trent-Severn canal system. Very beautiful.

49 Last Mohican  Sat, Aug 1, 2009 10:03:23pm

For those of you interested in music, cognitive psychology, and//or Bobby McFerrin, this little demonstration might be interesting.

50 mamacares  Sat, Aug 1, 2009 10:04:30pm

re: #30 Alouette

Some libraries have them available.

51 austin_blue  Sat, Aug 1, 2009 10:05:10pm

re: #36 Killgore Trout

I couldn't sleep with that thing wandering around my yard.

My 'hood is dirty with them. We have creeks three blocks east and two blocks west that dump into Town Lake, and those creekbeds are wildlife highways. In the past year, I have seen 'coons, 'possums, deer, one coyote, grey foxes, and armored dildos wandering through my yard.

Ended up with a dillo in my house one night. She Who Must Be Obeyed woke me up and said "There's something in the house." I grabbed the Mossberg and was ready to slay the intruder when I heard the clatter clatter clatter of long nailed feet skittering toward the back door, which was unaccountably open. I locked the door and had a whiskey.

Did you know that dillos can climb concrete stairs? Yes they can...

52 Gus  Sat, Aug 1, 2009 10:05:14pm

re: #28 Floral Giraffe

Or, people who use posters as a form of graffiti?
Which, is by many in LA, considered an art form.

Looks like a graphic manipulation* of the October 26, 2006 issue of Time magazine.

Before

After

Can't really call it Photoshopped since it looks like it was manually edited.

53 NJDhockeyfan  Sat, Aug 1, 2009 10:05:40pm

re: #32 Killgore Trout

Bush got that at his inauguration.

By who, Code Pink?

These are regular folks all over doing this. Here is where the video originated and a few pics from the protest. This is happening all over the country where O shows up. Big difference.

54 BlueCanuck  Sat, Aug 1, 2009 10:06:22pm

re: #50 mamacares

Some libraries have them available.

Some of our libraries had the Rocket eBook. the thing was clunky, heavy, and a limited number of novels you could request. Never signed one out after I got a full rundown and look from the librarian in charge.

55 Killgore Trout  Sat, Aug 1, 2009 10:07:27pm

re: #38 Dark_Falcon

They raid my backyard pond sometimes. They make a hell of a mess.

56 Fenway_Nation  Sat, Aug 1, 2009 10:07:43pm

Reccomended Reading Selections from Fenway's Book of the Week Every Other Year Club:

Issac's Storm by Erik Larson

Killing Pablo by Mark Bowden

57 BARACK THE VOTE  Sat, Aug 1, 2009 10:09:14pm

re: #51 austin_blue

My 'hood is dirty with them. We have creeks three blocks east and two blocks west that dump into Town Lake, and those creekbeds are wildlife highways. In the past year, I have seen 'coons, 'possums, deer, one coyote, grey foxes, and armored dildos wandering through my yard.

Ended up with a dillo in my house one night. She Who Must Be Obeyed woke me up and said "There's something in the house." I grabbed the Mossberg and was ready to slay the intruder when I heard the clatter clatter clatter of long nailed feet skittering toward the back door, which was unaccountably open. I locked the door and had a whiskey.

Did you know that dillos can climb concrete stairs? Yes they can...

Dude, my apologies, but I read 'dillo' as 'dildo' every time.

58 jaunte  Sat, Aug 1, 2009 10:10:09pm

re: #56 Fenway_Nation

Isaac's Storm was great. I read it by candlelight, during the storm and aftermath of Hurricane Ike.

59 acwgusa  Sat, Aug 1, 2009 10:10:17pm

re: #57 iceweasel

Dude, my apologies, but I read 'dillo' as 'dildo' every time.

"Honey, whats that whirring noise?"

"It sure as hell ain't no armadillo!"

60 Fenway_Nation  Sat, Aug 1, 2009 10:10:23pm

re: #57 iceweasel


Likewise.

61 Dancing along the light of day  Sat, Aug 1, 2009 10:10:30pm

re: #52 Gus 802

Nice finds!

62 NJDhockeyfan  Sat, Aug 1, 2009 10:11:04pm

re: #59 acwgusa

"Honey, whats that whirring noise?"

"It sure as hell ain't no armadillo!"

"It's climbing the stairs!"

63 Dancing along the light of day  Sat, Aug 1, 2009 10:11:45pm

re: #57 iceweasel

re: #60 Fenway_Nation

You people have gutter minds!

( I like that!)
;)

64 Gus  Sat, Aug 1, 2009 10:12:13pm

re: #61 Floral Giraffe

Found more. Looks like it was based on this:

[Link: www.flickr.com...]

[Link: www.flickr.com...]

Which was uploaded on January 18, 2009.

They blocked out all of the type and added the word socialism to the bottom.

65 NJDhockeyfan  Sat, Aug 1, 2009 10:12:23pm

re: #52 Gus 802

Looks like a graphic manipulation* of the October 26, 2006 issue of Time magazine.

Before

After

Can't really call it Photoshopped since it looks like it was manually edited.

Great catch!

Can you explain this?

Unusual Paintings of Obama Naked with Unicorns

66 acwgusa  Sat, Aug 1, 2009 10:12:27pm

re: #62 NJDhockeyfan

"It's climbing the stairs!"

Don't worry, its a slinky-dildo!

"It climbs up stairs, alone or in pairs!"

67 Fenway_Nation  Sat, Aug 1, 2009 10:13:16pm

re: #63 Floral Giraffe

Should I ask what the latest buzz is?

68 austin_blue  Sat, Aug 1, 2009 10:13:40pm

re: #57 iceweasel

Dude, my apologies, but I read 'dillo' as 'dildo' every time.

Doesn't everyone? Bizarre critters. They always have identical twins. When startled, they jump straight up, three feet. That may be affective in the wild, but not on highways. They don't do well against K-Whoppers or Peter-Cars. Those big ass radiators peg them into next week.

69 BARACK THE VOTE  Sat, Aug 1, 2009 10:14:03pm

re: #53 NJDhockeyfan

By who, Code Pink?

These are regular folks all over doing this. Here is where the video originated and a few pics from the protest. This is happening all over the country where O shows up. Big difference.

They're not 'regular folks'. It's orchestrated. They're following a rightwing memo about how to disrupt town halls.

Right-Wing Harassment Strategy Against Dems Detailed In Memo: ‘Yell,’ ‘Stand Up And Shout Out,’ ‘Rattle Him’

This morning, Politico reported that Democratic members of Congress are increasingly being harassed by “angry, sign-carrying mobs and disruptive behavior” at local town halls. For example, in one incident, right-wing protesters surrounded Rep. Tim Bishop (D-NY) and forced police officers to have to escort him to his car for safety.

This growing phenomenon is often marked by violence and absurdity. Recently, right-wing demonstrators hung Rep. Frank Kratovil (D-MD) in effigy outside of his office. Missing from the reporting of these stories is the fact that much of these protests are coordinated by public relations firms and lobbyists who have a stake in opposing President Obama’s reforms.

The lobbyist-run groups Americans for Prosperity and FreedomWorks, which orchestrated the anti-Obama tea parties earlier this year, are now pursuing an aggressive strategy to create an image of mass public opposition to health care and clean energy reform. A leaked memo from Bob MacGuffie, a volunteer with the FreedomWorks website Tea Party Patriots, details how members should be infiltrating town halls and harassing Democratic members of Congress

Of course there are legitimate criticisms of Obama and legitimate anger, but these demonstrations are anything but spontaneous.

70 Gus  Sat, Aug 1, 2009 10:14:52pm

re: #65 NJDhockeyfan

Great catch!

Can you explain this?

Unusual Paintings of Obama Naked with Unicorns

Not at the moment. Stalin, Obama and that actor from House? Is that like Obama is the crusader for health with Stalinism on the left and House on the right?

71 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Aug 1, 2009 10:16:13pm

re: #65 NJDhockeyfan

Great catch!

Can you explain this?

Unusual Paintings of Obama Naked with Unicorns

Some artist needs to lay off the LSD.

72 BARACK THE VOTE  Sat, Aug 1, 2009 10:16:29pm

re: #67 Fenway_Nation

re: #66 acwgusa

Don't worry, its a slinky-dildo!

"It climbs up stairs, alone or in pairs!"

re: #62 NJDhockeyfan

"It's climbing the stairs!"

You guys (and gals?) are all killing me with laughter!

73 Killgore Trout  Sat, Aug 1, 2009 10:16:44pm

re: #53 NJDhockeyfan

By who, Code Pink?

These are regular folks all over doing this. Here is where the video originated and a few pics from the protest. This is happening all over the country where O shows up. Big difference.

Not really.

They don't spell too good either.

See my post from earlier today: The Tea Party become Code Pink...

I know it's a downer but this is exactly the same as what the LLL did for the past 8 years.

74 BlueCanuck  Sat, Aug 1, 2009 10:16:45pm

re: #69 iceweasel

Too be fair, none of the protests and booing of Dubya were spontaneous as well. What's good for the goose, is good for the gander.

75 srb1976  Sat, Aug 1, 2009 10:17:23pm

Evenin' folks...I could have gone my whole life without seeing those Obama and unicorn pics, and been perfectly happy...unfortunately, you can't unsee something

76 NJDhockeyfan  Sat, Aug 1, 2009 10:18:13pm

re: #75 srb1976

Evenin' folks...I could have gone my whole life without seeing those Obama and unicorn pics, and been perfectly happy...unfortunately, you can't unsee something

My apologies.

Heh.

77 Killgore Trout  Sat, Aug 1, 2009 10:18:31pm

re: #69 iceweasel

Ah, you beat me to that one.
;)

78 BARACK THE VOTE  Sat, Aug 1, 2009 10:18:56pm

re: #74 BlueCanuck

Too be fair, none of the protests and booing of Dubya were spontaneous as well. What's good for the goose, is good for the gander.

Oh there definitely were organised protests of Dubya-- tons. This is a little different-- it's being staged to give the appearance of 'just folks'.

Same happened with the tea parties, btw-- they were co-opted and funded by various movements.

79 Gus  Sat, Aug 1, 2009 10:18:59pm

re: #76 NJDhockeyfan

My apologies.

Heh.

Apparently that painter is known for portraits with pancakes atop heads. Or something.

80 BARACK THE VOTE  Sat, Aug 1, 2009 10:19:59pm

re: #77 Killgore Trout

Ah, you beat me to that one.
;)

Hee. Have to be fast to beat KT to anything!

You can whip out (so to speak) all the evidence about the teaparties being astroturfed, etc. :)

81 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Aug 1, 2009 10:20:21pm

re: #69 iceweasel

Of course there are legitimate criticisms of Obama and legitimate anger, but these demonstrations are anything but spontaneous.

I approve of the strategy being used. Get in the adversary's face, make him fear your power. Convince moderate Dems that to side with Obama on health care is electoral death. It is not nice, but it works.

82 Fenway_Nation  Sat, Aug 1, 2009 10:20:27pm
The lobbyist-run groups Americans for Prosperity and FreedomWorks, which orchestrated the anti-Obama tea parties earlier this year, are now pursuing an aggressive strategy to create an image of mass public opposition to health care and clean energy reform.

Bull fucking shit. I'm not on some mailing list to find out that cap and trade is a bad idea and would cripple America economically. I'll even play this stupid-ass game and pretend climate change is as real and as dangerous as the AGW racket makes it out to be- cap and trade would basically be like the White Star officers and stewards charging Titanic passengers admission to lifeboats that aren't there.

I don't have lobbyists whispering in my ear on how to orchestrate my every move- I think the mre some of this shit sees the light of day, the angrier the people will get.

83 solomonpanting  Sat, Aug 1, 2009 10:21:12pm

Castro to U.S.: communist Cuba will not change

Truer words were never written.

84 acwgusa  Sat, Aug 1, 2009 10:21:28pm

I wish someone had told me deviantArt sold prints sooner! They have some great stuff in their Photography Prints department!

/Took me a minute to get past the name. Glad I did.

85 srb1976  Sat, Aug 1, 2009 10:21:40pm

re: #79 Gus 802

Apparently that painter is known for portraits with pancakes atop heads. Or something.

A picture of a pancake on a head

Nothing to add to the discussion, just love the picture

86 Gus  Sat, Aug 1, 2009 10:22:13pm

re: #85 srb1976

A picture of a pancake on a head

Nothing to add to the discussion, just love the picture

Pancake bunny beret!

//

87 Killgore Trout  Sat, Aug 1, 2009 10:22:22pm

ODS is the new BDS
Acorn is the new Haliburton
FreedomWorks is the new MoveOn
Tea Partiers are the new Code Pink
Nothing has really changed.

88 Fenway_Nation  Sat, Aug 1, 2009 10:22:37pm

re: #75 srb1976

Evenin' folks...I could have gone my whole life without seeing those 0bama and unicorn pics, and been perfectly happy ...unfortunately, you can't unsee something

Fixed that for ya...

89 austin_blue  Sat, Aug 1, 2009 10:22:53pm

re: #85 srb1976

A picture of a pancake on a head

Nothing to add to the discussion, just love the picture

The bunny seems content, at peace. Perhaps this pancake therapy will catch on.

90 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Aug 1, 2009 10:23:06pm

re: #74 BlueCanuck

Too be fair, none of the protests and booing of Dubya were spontaneous as well. What's good for the goose, is good for the gander.

Quite Concur. We want to win, we can't afraid to be unpleasant. Obama's socialist plans deserve no respect and should be given none.

91 Soona'  Sat, Aug 1, 2009 10:23:28pm

re: #65 NJDhockeyfan

Great catch!

Can you explain this?

Unusual Paintings of Obama Naked with Unicorns

{gak!}

92 BlueCanuck  Sat, Aug 1, 2009 10:23:36pm

re: #78 iceweasel

And weren't most of the early protests in GWB first term? People that weren't willing to go to war to die? I am sorry, but both sides are guilty of astroturfing. I wish that we could all, politically, approach things as adults. Unfortunately most of the adult population isn't very mature.

93 NY Nana  Sat, Aug 1, 2009 10:23:51pm

G'nite and sweet dreams, Lizards.

For anyone who has a problem going to sleep?

Here is some help!

94 srb1976  Sat, Aug 1, 2009 10:24:23pm

re: #89 austin_blue

The bunny seems content, at peace. Perhaps this pancake therapy will catch on.

I don't know...when I do pancake therapy, it usually is not stacking the pancake on my head...plus it involves butter and syrup (way to messy to try to get out of you hair!)

95 Noam Sayin'  Sat, Aug 1, 2009 10:24:35pm

re: #85 srb1976

I don't think that's a real pancake.

Everyone else saw the bunny, right?

96 Last Mohican  Sat, Aug 1, 2009 10:24:50pm

re: #82 Fenway_Nation

I don't have lobbyists whispering in my ear on how to orchestrate my every move- I think the mre some of this shit sees the light of day, the angrier the people will get.

Wrong! You only think you oppose cap and trade of your own free will. Actually your thoughts are being controlled by powerful corporations that are funded by Big Tobacco, and under the direction of Dick Cheney.

/thinkprogress.org

97 BARACK THE VOTE  Sat, Aug 1, 2009 10:24:59pm

re: #82 Fenway_Nation

Bull fucking shit. I'm not on some mailing list to find out that cap and trade is a bad idea and would cripple America economically. I'll even play this stupid-ass game and pretend climate change is as real and as dangerous as the AGW racket makes it out to be- cap and trade would basically be like the White Star officers and stewards charging Titanic passengers admission to lifeboats that aren't there.

I don't have lobbyists whispering in my ear on how to orchestrate my every move- I think the mre some of this shit sees the light of day, the angrier the people will get.

Oh Fenway-- as I said, there ARE legitimate criticisms to make of Obama, and legitimate anger at Obama. I often use your own points about cap and trade in discussion with others, esp on the left, as I've mentioned here before.

But let's be aware when grass roots movements aren't really grass roots, whether it's on the left or the right.

BTW, one lobbyist firm forged letters from the NAACP in opposition to cap and trade. That's going a little too far, IMO.
(And I am not a fan of cap and trade).

98 Killgore Trout  Sat, Aug 1, 2009 10:25:37pm

re: #85 srb1976

61 things on my cat

99 Dancing along the light of day  Sat, Aug 1, 2009 10:25:49pm

re: #94 srb1976

Hi srb, MMM butter & syrup!
I won't go into any more detail!
///

100 BARACK THE VOTE  Sat, Aug 1, 2009 10:27:06pm

re: #92 BlueCanuck

And weren't most of the early protests in GWB first term? People that weren't willing to go to war to die? I am sorry, but both sides are guilty of astroturfing. I wish that we could all, politically, approach things as adults. Unfortunately most of the adult population isn't very mature.

Yes, and add to it that politics is a dirty business, and both parties and their operatives cynically manipulate people on their own side, and their own consitutents, all the time. Constantly. As well as the public.

101 Noam Sayin'  Sat, Aug 1, 2009 10:27:39pm

re: #2 Noam Sayin'

I wonder if Bashar Assad has any of the same books.

I was going for a Diane Sawyer thing there, if anybody didn't catch it.

102 NJDhockeyfan  Sat, Aug 1, 2009 10:27:57pm

re: #91 Soona'

{gak!}

From the same blog:

Incredible Pictures Formed by Thousands of US Soldiers

Much better to look at.

103 Noam Sayin's Sock Puppet  Sat, Aug 1, 2009 10:28:48pm

re: #101 Noam Sayin'

I was going for a Diane Sawyer thing there, if anybody didn't catch it.

Perhaps it just wasn't that funny...

104 BlueCanuck  Sat, Aug 1, 2009 10:29:02pm

re: #98 Killgore Trout

Poor cat, I think I would be hiding my shoes for the next month or so after that stunt.

/hair balls suck.

105 BARACK THE VOTE  Sat, Aug 1, 2009 10:29:13pm

re: #87 Killgore Trout

ODS is the new BDS
Acorn is the new Haliburton
FreedomWorks is the new MoveOn
Tea Partiers are the new Code Pink
Nothing has really changed.

Yes, exactly. Well, mostly. :)

Nothing's changed and nothing is likely to.

106 Fenway_Nation  Sat, Aug 1, 2009 10:29:26pm

re: #97 iceweasel

Any page refers to cap and trade and the subsequent annhialation small businesses as clean energy reform forefits any expectation of me to take them seriously. No exceptions.

[Same with any page that categorizes card check as Woker's Rights or refers to it by it's 'proper' (yet deceptive) title of The Employee Free Choice Act. Union Thug Enrichment Act is more like it...]

Full Stop.

107 Soona'  Sat, Aug 1, 2009 10:29:40pm

re: #87 Killgore Trout

ODS is the new BDS
Acorn is the new Haliburton
FreedomWorks is the new MoveOn
Tea Partiers are the new Code Pink
Nothing has really changed.

But ask yourself. Which ones are the voices for freedom and constitutional law?

108 realwest  Sat, Aug 1, 2009 10:30:16pm

re: #87 Killgore Trout

ODS is the new BDS
Acorn is the new Haliburton
FreedomWorks is the new MoveOn
Tea Partiers are the new Code Pink
Nothing has really changed.

Except that we are MUCH DEEPER IN DEBT!

109 srb1976  Sat, Aug 1, 2009 10:30:25pm

re: #98 Killgore Trout

We have a cat that's pretty tolerant (important with small children in the house)...but I don't think she would make it past the playing cards

110 acwgusa  Sat, Aug 1, 2009 10:30:37pm

re: #84 acwgusa

I wish someone had told me deviantArt sold prints sooner! They have some great stuff in their Photography Prints department!

/Took me a minute to get past the name. Glad I did.

Dammit! So many good city scenes!

/Credit Card, going to catch on fire from overuse!

111 Dancing along the light of day  Sat, Aug 1, 2009 10:30:53pm

re: #107 Soona'

re: #87 Killgore Trout

ODS is the new BDS
Acorn is the new Haliburton
FreedomWorks is the new MoveOn
Tea Partiers are the new Code Pink
Nothing has really changed.

But ask yourself. Which ones are the voices for freedom and constitutional law?

DING DING DING!!!

112 sngnsgt  Sat, Aug 1, 2009 10:30:55pm

re: #108 realwest

Spot on.

113 BlueCanuck  Sat, Aug 1, 2009 10:30:56pm

re: #106 Fenway_Nation


[Same with any page that categorizes card check as Woker's Rights or refers to it by it's 'proper' (yet deceptive) title of The Employee Free Choice Act. Union Thug Enrichment Act is more like it...]

Full Stop.

Well that's not nice of you. I stand by my wok often. Chinese food rules...

114 srb1976  Sat, Aug 1, 2009 10:31:46pm

re: #113 BlueCanuck

Well that's not nice of you. I stand by my wok often. Chinese food rules...

Yeah, but you don't have to join the union (or a band) to Wok!

115 acwgusa  Sat, Aug 1, 2009 10:32:02pm

re: #113 BlueCanuck

Well that's not nice of you. I stand by my wok often. Chinese food rules...

The bad thing about Woker's Rights...You're hungry again an hour later.

116 NJDhockeyfan  Sat, Aug 1, 2009 10:32:14pm

re: #108 realwest

Except that we are MUCH DEEPER IN DEBT!

And many more are UNEMPLOYED.

117 austin_blue  Sat, Aug 1, 2009 10:32:27pm

re: #98 Killgore Trout

61 things on my cat

[Video]

Cats: One hell of a nice animal frequently mistaken for a meat loaf.

B. Kliban

118 BlueCanuck  Sat, Aug 1, 2009 10:32:33pm

re: #114 srb1976

Yeah, but you don't have to join the union (or a band) to Wok!

True and you can wok out any time you want.

119 BARACK THE VOTE  Sat, Aug 1, 2009 10:32:35pm

re: #106 Fenway_Nation

Any page refers to cap and trade and the subsequent annhialation small businesses as clean energy reform forefits any expectation of me to take them seriously. No exceptions.

[Same with any page that categorizes card check as Woker's Rights or refers to it by it's 'proper' (yet deceptive) title of The Employee Free Choice Act. Union Thug Enrichment Act is more like it...]

Full Stop.

But Fenway, the name of the act IS American Clean Energy and Security Act.

Don't discount people just for calling it by the name, no matter how orwellian you find it. I wouldn't automatically refuse to read news about Afghanistan that referred to "Operation Enduring Freedom" or whatever it was.

Really, I'm on the same side as you about this, believe it or not.

120 Soona'  Sat, Aug 1, 2009 10:32:38pm

re: #107 Soona'

But ask yourself. Which ones are the voices for freedom and constitutional law?

I might add capitalism in there too.

121 Dancing along the light of day  Sat, Aug 1, 2009 10:32:39pm

re: #108 realwest

Hi Realwest!
So very nice to see you here!
Big hug! {{{RW}}}
(squirm all you want, take the dang hug!)

122 acwgusa  Sat, Aug 1, 2009 10:32:42pm

re: #114 srb1976

Yeah, but you don't have to join the union (or a band) to Wok!

Those who are about to Wok, We saute you!

123 BARACK THE VOTE  Sat, Aug 1, 2009 10:33:46pm

re: #118 BlueCanuck

True and you can wok out any time you want.

You can wok out anytime you want...but you can never leave. :(

124 BlueCanuck  Sat, Aug 1, 2009 10:33:58pm

re: #121 Floral Giraffe

Hi Realwest!
So very nice to see you here!
Big hug! {{{RW}}}
(squirm all you want, take the dang hug!)

Watch his hands, he's not trying to get away. ;)

/good evening realwest, not trying to besmirch your honour or anything. Honest.

125 realwest  Sat, Aug 1, 2009 10:34:21pm

re: #116 NJDhockeyfan

And many more are UNEMPLOYED.


Yeah, that's the sad truth.

And more are UNDERemployed.

126 Killgore Trout  Sat, Aug 1, 2009 10:34:55pm

re: #107 Soona'

But ask yourself. Which ones are the voices for freedom and constitutional law?


I can honestly say neither.

127 Fenway_Nation  Sat, Aug 1, 2009 10:35:10pm

re: #97 iceweasel

re: #82 Fenway_Nation

BTW, one lobbyist firm forged letters from the NAACP in opposition to cap and trade. That's going a little too far, IMO.
(And I am not a fan of cap and trade).

Why forge when Barbra Boxer can obligingly step in it vis-a-vis the NAACP and cap & trade?

Call her 'Senator' Shitstain...

128 srb1976  Sat, Aug 1, 2009 10:35:16pm

re: #108 realwest

Except that we are MUCH DEEPER IN DEBT!

Evenin' RW...good to see ya!! (hope you're doing ok)

129 realwest  Sat, Aug 1, 2009 10:35:32pm

re: #121 Floral Giraffe
Hell {Floral Giraffe} I'll take hugs from you anytime!

130 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Aug 1, 2009 10:36:07pm

re: #108 realwest

Except that we are MUCH DEEPER IN DEBT!

Exactly. Moreover, ACORN is a genuine malfactor, and Haliburton is not. Haliburton generates wealth, ACORN eats wealth and produces nothing of value.

131 Macker  Sat, Aug 1, 2009 10:36:58pm

re: #7 NJDhockeyfan

You guys seen the ObamaJoker posters popping up around LA?

RACIST!

132 Dancing along the light of day  Sat, Aug 1, 2009 10:37:11pm

re: #129 realwest

You betcha!
;)

133 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Aug 1, 2009 10:37:16pm

re: #127 Fenway_Nation

Why forge when Barbra Boxer can obligingly step in it vis-a-vis the NAACP and cap & trade?

Call her 'Senator' Shitstain...

I simply prefer to call her a shrieking bitch.

134 Fenway_Nation  Sat, Aug 1, 2009 10:37:25pm

re: #119 iceweasel

If you're trying to set the narrative that 100% of the opposition to 0bama's policies are the result of is the carefully manipulated machinations of lobbyists and corporate interests, you'll forgive me if I have my doubts.

135 Soona'  Sat, Aug 1, 2009 10:37:26pm

re: #122 acwgusa

Those who are about to Wok, We saute you!

You're really cookn' tonight, aren't you?

136 songbird  Sat, Aug 1, 2009 10:37:33pm

I hate to post and run, but it is very late for me and I am tired.
There was nothing about this on Snopes. Have any of you seen another source for this information?

First Lady requires more than twenty attendants

The e-mail I received this from also had this comment:

There has never been anyone in the White House at any time that has created such an army of staffers whose sole duties are the facilitation of the First Lady's social life. One wonders why she needs so much help, at taxpayer expense, when even Hillary, only had three; Jackie Kennedy one; Laura Bush one; and prior to Mamie Eisenhower social help came from the President's own pocket.
Note: This does not include makeup artist Ingrid Grimes-Miles, 49, and "First Hairstylist" Johnny Wright, 31, both of whom travelled aboard Air Force One to Europe.

137 realwest  Sat, Aug 1, 2009 10:38:07pm

re: #124 BlueCanuck
Hey Blue, (thanks, thanks a lot...just when I had my hands almost where I wanted 'em, too)
I just dropped by to read up on stuff and I'm too tired to argue with you Blue!

138 BlueCanuck  Sat, Aug 1, 2009 10:38:18pm

re: #135 Soona'

You're really cookn' tonight, aren't you?

Nah, it's just a flash in the pan...

139 WindHorse  Sat, Aug 1, 2009 10:38:19pm

Barbara Boxer, you are a miserable piece of shit.

Thank you.

140 acwgusa  Sat, Aug 1, 2009 10:38:31pm

re: #135 Soona'

You're really cookn' tonight, aren't you?

Yes, I've brought my A game to the front burner. I'm really cooking with gas. Its out of the frying pan, into the fryer tonight.

141 BARACK THE VOTE  Sat, Aug 1, 2009 10:38:40pm

re: #127 Fenway_Nation

Why forge when Barbra Boxer can obligingly step in it vis-a-vis the NAACP and cap & trade?

Call her 'Senator' Shitstain...

So, totally unrrelated point. Got it.

PS your link has nothing to do with the NAACP.

142 BlueCanuck  Sat, Aug 1, 2009 10:38:53pm

re: #137 realwest

No need to argue with me. Just relax, rest, and get better.

143 Fenway_Nation  Sat, Aug 1, 2009 10:38:55pm

re: #130 Dark_Falcon

I've been mulling it over- Should I get my little nephew a framed Halliburton stock certificate in his name for his birthday?

I know his moonbat parents would LOVE that...

144 Soona'  Sat, Aug 1, 2009 10:38:57pm

re: #126 Killgore Trout

I can honestly say neither.

Then I guess I'd have to say that you're not paying attention.

145 Killgore Trout  Sat, Aug 1, 2009 10:39:03pm

re: #136 songbird

We talked about that one a few months ago. As I recall we concluded that it's the normal size staff for the first lady.

146 realwest  Sat, Aug 1, 2009 10:39:25pm

re: #128 srb1976
Hey thank you! It's good to see you too and I'm doing ok, but I just gotta get some sleep here!

147 acwgusa  Sat, Aug 1, 2009 10:39:43pm

re: #143 Fenway_Nation

I've been mulling it over- Should I get my little nephew a framed Halliburton stock certificate in his name for his birthday?

I know his moonbat parents would LOVE that...

Get him a GM stock certificate. Tell him GM actually meant something, once.

148 NJDhockeyfan  Sat, Aug 1, 2009 10:40:18pm

This is weird...someone at HuffPo calling for O to release his birth certificate.

The Only Thing Weirder Than The Birthers...

The only thing weirder than the Birthers are the anti-Birthers, who blame the Birthers for being conspiracy theorists yet actively feed the conspiracy by refusing to call for President Obama to release his birth certificate.

The state official in Hawaii who manages such things has reiterated that there is indeed an original birth certificate on file which would confirm President Obama's having been born in Hawaii and that she has seen it, but state law won't allow her to release it unless the president authorizes it.

So what's the problem here? Release the original and let's be done with this madness.

149 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Aug 1, 2009 10:40:38pm

re: #7 NJDhockeyfan

You guys seen the ObamaJoker posters popping up around LA?

Great stuff! Obama is disinterested in rules and refuses to acknowledge any views other than his own. In those ways he is like the Joker. The cardinal differences are that Obama is not murderous and the he does not "want to want the world burn." He wants to bring the world around to his way of thinking. In that, he is foolish and wrong, but not malevolent or evil.

150 Fenway_Nation  Sat, Aug 1, 2009 10:40:54pm

re: #141 iceweasel

Does the first link have the video of Boxer telling the head of the National Black Chamber of Commerce 'Well the NAACP issued this statement in full support of this legislation'?

151 Soona'  Sat, Aug 1, 2009 10:42:11pm

re: #140 acwgusa

Yes, I've brought my A game to the front burner. I'm really cooking with gas. Its out of the frying pan, into the fryer tonight.

Then you'll get your just desserts.

152 realwest  Sat, Aug 1, 2009 10:43:23pm

re: #145 Killgore Trout
REALLY?! The First Lady - ANY First Lady needs 20 attendants NOT including her make up artist and Hair stylist?
Geesh, I wonder what the heck they all do all day?

153 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Aug 1, 2009 10:43:28pm

re: #143 Fenway_Nation

I've been mulling it over- Should I get my little nephew a framed Halliburton stock certificate in his name for his birthday?

I know his moonbat parents would LOVE that...

Do it. Watching moonbats freak out is fun.

154 BARACK THE VOTE  Sat, Aug 1, 2009 10:43:35pm

re: #134 Fenway_Nation

If you're trying to set the narrative that 100% of the opposition to 0bama's policies are the result of is the carefully manipulated machinations of lobbyists and corporate interests, you'll forgive me if I have my doubts.

Sweet Cthulu on a cracker, haven't i said in every single post about this that there ARE legitimate criticisms about Obama, and legitimate objections?

Haven't I already SPECIFIED that I'm on your side about this issue?

Haven't I carefully pointed out that "TEH LEFT" (which is not the monolithic entity you want to pretend it is) has also engaged in astroturfing?

No, you want to pretend I'm saying something else entirely, and argue with some fantasy about what 'iceweasel thinks' or some fantasy about what liberals think.

Have at it.

155 Last Mohican  Sat, Aug 1, 2009 10:43:53pm

re: #145 Killgore Trout

We talked about that one a few months ago. As I recall we concluded that it's the normal size staff for the first lady.

In that case, maybe we should save money by only electing bachelor presidents from now on.

By the way, there has only been one bachelor president. Can you name him without googling?

156 acwgusa  Sat, Aug 1, 2009 10:44:12pm

re: #151 Soona'

Then you'll get your just desserts.

Let the dessert jokes commence!

157 Fenway_Nation  Sat, Aug 1, 2009 10:44:23pm

re: #113 BlueCanuck

Live by the typo, die by the typo...

158 Gus  Sat, Aug 1, 2009 10:45:02pm

re: #157 Fenway_Nation

Live by the typo, die by the typo...

The typo is mightier than the sword! /

159 Soona'  Sat, Aug 1, 2009 10:45:07pm

re: #153 Dark_Falcon

Do it. Watching moonbats freak out is fun.

re: #143 Fenway_Nation

I've been mulling it over- Should I get my little nephew a framed Halliburton stock certificate in his name for his birthday?

I know his moonbat parents would LOVE that...

Excellent idea.

160 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Aug 1, 2009 10:45:16pm

re: #148 NJDhockeyfan

This is weird...someone at HuffPo calling for O to release his birth certificate.

The Only Thing Weirder Than The Birthers...

Oh, brother. Could this stupid issue just go away?! All bring it up does is feed the Bad Craziness.

161 Fenway_Nation  Sat, Aug 1, 2009 10:45:28pm

re: #158 Gus 802

With Cod as my witness/

162 BlueCanuck  Sat, Aug 1, 2009 10:45:35pm

re: #157 Fenway_Nation

Live by the typo, die by the typo...

Just another steak to the heart...

/um, errr wait, what? :)

163 Last Mohican  Sat, Aug 1, 2009 10:45:44pm

re: #143 Fenway_Nation

I've been mulling it over- Should I get my little nephew a framed Halliburton stock certificate in his name for his birthday?

I know his moonbat parents would LOVE that...

How about a framed portrait of GWB?

Better yet, how about a portrait of GWB printed on peel-and-stick paper. With really strong adhesive. Give it to your nephew when mom and dad aren't around, and see where he decides to display it.

164 Dancing along the light of day  Sat, Aug 1, 2009 10:46:23pm

re: #152 realwest

REALLY?! The First Lady - ANY First Lady needs 20 attendants NOT including her make up artist and Hair stylist?
Geesh, I wonder what the heck they all do all day?

Duh, get their hair & makeup done, and go pose for "teh peoples" "news" pictures!
///

165 Gus  Sat, Aug 1, 2009 10:46:28pm

re: #161 Fenway_Nation

With Cod as my witness/

Cod speed! /

166 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Aug 1, 2009 10:46:43pm

re: #156 acwgusa

Let the dessert jokes commence!

Those jokes are just pie in the sky. :)

167 srb1976  Sat, Aug 1, 2009 10:46:56pm

re: #165 Gus 802

Cod speed! /

Not Cod Peace?

168 BlueCanuck  Sat, Aug 1, 2009 10:47:23pm

re: #167 srb1976

Not Cod Peace?

There is no Cod.

169 swamprat  Sat, Aug 1, 2009 10:47:43pm

re: #166 Dark_Falcon

When I hear this sort of thing, I scream.

170 Gus  Sat, Aug 1, 2009 10:47:47pm

re: #168 BlueCanuck

There is no Cod.

Acodiest!

/

171 Dancing along the light of day  Sat, Aug 1, 2009 10:47:58pm

re: #161 Fenway_Nation

With Cod as my witness/

And, just for the halibut...

172 Macker  Sat, Aug 1, 2009 10:48:43pm

re: #149 Dark_Falcon

Long story short: in my book he's still a Dirty Fuckin' ommunist!

173 BlueCanuck  Sat, Aug 1, 2009 10:48:54pm

re: #170 Gus 802

Acodiest!

/

Well, I am just floundering around. Perching on the fence you might say. Or it could all be bassless.

174 Fenway_Nation  Sat, Aug 1, 2009 10:49:00pm

re: #171 Floral Giraffe

I'm getting schooled.

175 Soona'  Sat, Aug 1, 2009 10:49:14pm

re: #166 Dark_Falcon

Those jokes are just pie in the sky. :)

Jello? Jello? Is somebody there?

176 Killgore Trout  Sat, Aug 1, 2009 10:49:25pm

re: #155 Last Mohican

By the way, there has only been one bachelor president. Can you name him without googling?


Hmmm...tough one. I think that knowledge is in my brain somewhere but I can't find it. I suspect it'll be one of those things that I'll remember when you tell me.

177 realwest  Sat, Aug 1, 2009 10:49:43pm

re: #164 Floral Giraffe

Duh, get their hair & makeup done, and go pose for "teh peoples" "news" pictures!
///


Duh, actually that was a serious question! I mean ok, hair and make up I can understand. But I can't imagine what the hell I'd do if I had 20 additional servants attendents waiting on me!
What send someone out for a milkshake or something? Wouldn't that make the other 19 jealous?!

178 Killgore Trout  Sat, Aug 1, 2009 10:49:51pm

re: #152 realwest

How are you feeling tonight?

179 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Aug 1, 2009 10:49:55pm

re: #172 Macker

Long story short: in my book he's still a Dirty Fuckin' ommunist!

Agreed.

180 pink freud  Sat, Aug 1, 2009 10:50:07pm

re: #129 realwest

Hell {Floral Giraffe} I'll take hugs from you anytime!

Can I get a piece of that action? ;-)

HUGS Realwest! GREAT to see you here!

181 Dancing along the light of day  Sat, Aug 1, 2009 10:50:08pm

re: #174 Fenway_Nation

Trout you are!

182 Gus  Sat, Aug 1, 2009 10:50:20pm

re: #173 BlueCanuck

Well, I am just floundering around. Perching on the fence you might say. Or it could all be bassless.

Do you swear to tell the whole truth and. nothing but the truth, so help you Cod? /

183 ShanghaiEd  Sat, Aug 1, 2009 10:50:27pm

re: #74 BlueCanuck

Too be fair, none of the protests and booing of Dubya were spontaneous as well. What's good for the goose, is good for the gander.

Blue: "None"? How do you know that? "To be fair?" :)

There's no way for any human being to know the motivations of thousands of people over a period of years.

184 srb1976  Sat, Aug 1, 2009 10:50:40pm

re: #176 Killgore Trout

I haven't looked (I promise) but I want to say Cleveland? Probably wrong though

185 Dancing along the light of day  Sat, Aug 1, 2009 10:51:03pm

re: #180 pink freud

Hiya Pink Freud!
*waves wildly*
(Doesn't know any other way to wave!)

186 realwest  Sat, Aug 1, 2009 10:51:06pm

re: #176 Killgore Trout

Hmmm...tough one. I think that knowledge is in my brain somewhere but I can't find it. I suspect it'll be one of those things that I'll remember when you tell me.


ROTFL! Yeah, me too! Hope he tells us soon though, I gotta get some sleep here peeps!

187 Irenicum  Sat, Aug 1, 2009 10:51:08pm

re: #98 Killgore Trout

That is brilliant! I am totally facebooking that!

188 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Aug 1, 2009 10:51:10pm

re: #175 Soona'

Jello? Jello? Is somebody there?

Jokes are the Key Lime to everything.

189 austin_blue  Sat, Aug 1, 2009 10:51:22pm

re: #148 NJDhockeyfan

This is weird...someone at HuffPo calling for O to release his birth certificate.

The Only Thing Weirder Than The Birthers...

The Nirthers are relentless. If the original was released (again), it would be widely claimed to be a forgery because...wait for it...HE WASN'T BORN HERE!!!

There's a weird internal logic to that kind of insanity.

190 Killgore Trout  Sat, Aug 1, 2009 10:52:00pm

re: #177 realwest

As I recall we looked up the whitehouse payrolls for previous years. There's all kinds of administrative staff, press officers, protocol officers, etc that are permanent positions as the first lady's staff.

191 austin_blue  Sat, Aug 1, 2009 10:52:03pm

re: #176 Killgore Trout

Hmmm...tough one. I think that knowledge is in my brain somewhere but I can't find it. I suspect it'll be one of those things that I'll remember when you tell me.

Mrs. Garfield. His daughter acted as the First Lady.

192 Soona'  Sat, Aug 1, 2009 10:52:06pm

re: #181 Floral Giraffe

Trout you are!

There's something fishy about this thread.

193 realwest  Sat, Aug 1, 2009 10:52:19pm

re: #178 Killgore Trout
I'm doing ok, thanks, but really tired! I'm giving Last Mohican about one more minute and then I'm outta here!

194 Last Mohican  Sat, Aug 1, 2009 10:52:43pm

re: #184 srb1976

I haven't looked (I promise) but I want to say Cleveland? Probably wrong though

No, earlier than that.

He was the last president to be born in the eighteenth century, and the last to serve before the Civil War.

195 Killgore Trout  Sat, Aug 1, 2009 10:52:44pm

re: #187 Irenicum

It's actually a really catchy song too.

196 Fenway_Nation  Sat, Aug 1, 2009 10:53:07pm

re: #154 iceweasel

It's kind of a tough sell when you keep pointing out how sinister, disengenuous and easily manipulated anybody opposed to 0bama's policies are...

Besides cap and trade, what are some of the Big 0's policies you say you're opposed to?

I think you brought up wiretapping, but I can't remember much else...

197 realwest  Sat, Aug 1, 2009 10:53:09pm

re: #180 pink freud
Why thanks pink freud! Glad to see you too!

198 Killgore Trout  Sat, Aug 1, 2009 10:53:21pm

re: #191 austin_blue

Mrs. Garfield. His daughter acted as the First Lady.

Hmmm, I never would have guessed that.

199 BlueCanuck  Sat, Aug 1, 2009 10:53:25pm

re: #183 ShanghaiEd

Too many groups and organizations with their own agendas. Too many people protesting any time of the day. Why do conservative protests seem small? Because they all have jobs. :)

200 Dancing along the light of day  Sat, Aug 1, 2009 10:53:28pm

re: #192 Soona'

Rock Lobster!
(You were going there, eventually!)

201 Last Mohican  Sat, Aug 1, 2009 10:53:46pm

re: #191 austin_blue

Mrs. Garfield. His daughter acted as the First Lady.

Mrs. Garfield?

202 Fenway_Nation  Sat, Aug 1, 2009 10:54:30pm

Hurrah! The neighbor's party avoided getting a noise complaint called in from me by playing the Cult...

203 Dancing along the light of day  Sat, Aug 1, 2009 10:54:44pm

re: #192 Soona'

I'm boning up on it!

204 BlueCanuck  Sat, Aug 1, 2009 10:54:49pm

re: #200 Floral Giraffe

Rock Lobster!
(You were going there, eventually!)

[Video]

No, but soona will be crabbing anyway.

205 Fenway_Nation  Sat, Aug 1, 2009 10:55:29pm

re: #200 Floral Giraffe

Nevermind rock lobstah- getchya some Maine Lobstah while it's good and cheap!

206 pink freud  Sat, Aug 1, 2009 10:55:36pm

re: #185 Floral Giraffe

Hiya Pink Freud!
*waves wildly*
(Doesn't know any other way to wave!)

Hi sweetheart! Nice to see you. :-)

You been keeping everyone in line, I hope.

207 Last Mohican  Sat, Aug 1, 2009 10:55:38pm

re: #193 realwest

I'm doing ok, thanks, but really tired! I'm giving Last Mohican about one more minute and then I'm outta here!

James Buchanan. And apparently his niece was the first woman to be referred to as "first lady." She was apparently quite the socialite, doing a lot of high-budget entertaining.

I guess that kills my theory about saving money by only electing bachelor presidents.

208 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Aug 1, 2009 10:55:39pm

re: #202 Fenway_Nation

Hurrah! The neighbor's party avoided getting a noise complaint called in from me by playing the Cult...

Which song and did it need more cowbell? :D

209 Dancing along the light of day  Sat, Aug 1, 2009 10:56:08pm

re: #204 BlueCanuck

Sharkin', absolutely sharkin'!

210 Fenway_Nation  Sat, Aug 1, 2009 10:56:16pm

re: #208 Dark_Falcon

Sweet Soul Sister

211 realwest  Sat, Aug 1, 2009 10:56:57pm

OK, I'm gonna have to wiki it I suppose. Tomorrow.
Right now I'm going to sleep - hope y'all have a great evening/early morning and that I get the chance to see you all down the road!


Good night, you all!

212 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Aug 1, 2009 10:57:20pm

re: #211 realwest

OK, I'm gonna have to wiki it I suppose. Tomorrow.
Right now I'm going to sleep - hope y'all have a great evening/early morning and that I get the chance to see you all down the road!

Good night, you all!

Sleep well, Realwest.

213 NJDhockeyfan  Sat, Aug 1, 2009 10:57:21pm

re: #202 Fenway_Nation

Hurrah! The neighbor's party avoided getting a noise complaint called in from me by playing the Cult...

I love The Cult!

214 Fenway_Nation  Sat, Aug 1, 2009 10:57:27pm

re: #211 realwest

G'nite realwest!

215 pink freud  Sat, Aug 1, 2009 10:57:40pm

re: #211 realwest

G'nite real west. Sleep well, see you in the morning.

216 Dancing along the light of day  Sat, Aug 1, 2009 10:57:42pm

re: #206 pink freud

HAH! Like herding cats, to keep this bunch in line!
I don't even try.
I coral them with my puns!

217 Last Mohican  Sat, Aug 1, 2009 10:57:53pm

re: #211 realwest

Good night!

218 swamprat  Sat, Aug 1, 2009 10:58:07pm

re: #167 srb1976

Not Cod Peace?

No cod
No peace

Know cod
Know peace

219 pink freud  Sat, Aug 1, 2009 10:58:23pm

re: #216 Floral Giraffe

HAH! Like herding cats, to keep this bunch in line!
I don't even try.
I coral them with my puns!

I love that video. LOL

220 BlueCanuck  Sat, Aug 1, 2009 10:58:29pm

Night realwest, see you down the road.

221 Gus  Sat, Aug 1, 2009 10:58:49pm

re: #208 Dark_Falcon

Which song and did it need more cowbell? :D

Cowbell...

Grand Funk Railroad - We're An American Band

Mountain - Mississippi Queen

222 austin_blue  Sat, Aug 1, 2009 10:58:54pm

re: #201 Last Mohican

Mrs. Garfield?

Ack! Mrs. Buchanan, not Garfield! (the other James) It's what folks in Washington called him during his administration. The last of the Whigs and totally useless. The lead up to the War of Yankee Aggression occurred under his watch. Lincoln succeeded him.

223 Dancing along the light of day  Sat, Aug 1, 2009 10:59:08pm

re: #218 swamprat

No Codpiece? Oh, dear...

224 Fenway_Nation  Sat, Aug 1, 2009 10:59:23pm

re: #218 swamprat

Please- A little louder for the hard of herring.

225 swamprat  Sat, Aug 1, 2009 10:59:40pm

re: #209 Floral Giraffe

Sharkin', absolutely sharkin'!

Sharkin?
Not stirred?

226 Soona'  Sat, Aug 1, 2009 11:01:43pm

re: #200 Floral Giraffe

Ugh! I think that just put music back 200 years. The lead male singer looks like John Holmes.

227 Last Mohican  Sat, Aug 1, 2009 11:03:18pm

re: #222 austin_blue

Ack! Mrs. Buchanan, not Garfield! (the other James) It's what folks in Washington called him during his administration.

I didn't know they called him that. Do you know why? Apparently there is good reason to believe that Buchanan was gay, but I don't think that's what the "Mrs. Buchanan" thing would have been about.

228 austin_blue  Sat, Aug 1, 2009 11:03:24pm

Good God I'm a ditz tonight. Buchanan was a Democrat, not a Whig. He is generally regarded as the Worst President in History.

I am sure many on this board have a *new* Dem candidate for that position!

229 Dancing along the light of day  Sat, Aug 1, 2009 11:04:11pm

re: #226 Soona'

If you say so!
///

230 BARACK THE VOTE  Sat, Aug 1, 2009 11:04:12pm

re: #199 BlueCanuck

Too many groups and organizations with their own agendas. Too many people protesting any time of the day. Why do conservative protests seem small? Because they all have jobs. :)

Not so. Conservatives (thus far) just suck at grassroots and activism. I'm not just talking about offline, but also online.

It's interesting to note that the right owns talk radio, and the left owns the net. One reason is that old trope "ask three liberals, get 4 opinions". The left loves to argue, most of all among themselves. This is why they excel at the net-- it spawns content and many, many blogs.

The right has a more top-down approach and consequently owns talk radio.

It'll be interesting to see how that changes now, given that the GOP is fracturing, many true conservatives are disgusted with the GOP, and the GOP leadership is in a shambles.

We're really poised to see a big shift in the GOP and messaging, and it will be interesting to see what happens.

231 ShanghaiEd  Sat, Aug 1, 2009 11:04:13pm

re: #199 BlueCanuck

Too many groups and organizations with their own agendas. Too many people protesting any time of the day. Why do conservative protests seem small? Because they all have jobs. :)

In other words, you're guessing, and it's strictly hyperbole. All the liberals I know, except one, have full-time jobs, and have had them for years. The one exception is a guy who was laid off 2 weeks ago when his department was downsized.

I don't like generalized slurs against people with a different set of political beliefs than you.

It's comforting to think that way, I guess. But it's not true.

And it sure as hell isn't productive, when you step outside your circle of similar-thinking cheerleaders. Or is "pissing off the libs" considered a full-time job now?

232 Fenway_Nation  Sat, Aug 1, 2009 11:05:05pm

re: #228 austin_blue

Oh...no reason to jump to conclusions after only six months. Right now I'll just leave it at 'Worst president in my lifetime' and see where it goes from there...

/And I was technically alive for Carter

233 pink freud  Sat, Aug 1, 2009 11:05:58pm

re: #230 iceweasel

Not so. Conservatives (thus far) just suck at grassroots and activism. I'm not just talking about offline, but also online.

It's interesting to note that the right owns talk radio, and the left owns the net. One reason is that old trope "ask three liberals, get 4 opinions". The left loves to argue, most of all among themselves. This is why they excel at the net-- it spawns content and many, many blogs.

The right has a more top-down approach and consequently owns talk radio.

It'll be interesting to see how that changes now, given that the GOP is fracturing, many true conservatives are disgusted with the GOP, and the GOP leadership is in a shambles.

We're really poised to see a big shift in the GOP and messaging, and it will be interesting to see what happens.

Keep singin' it. Your audience is dwindling.

234 BARACK THE VOTE  Sat, Aug 1, 2009 11:07:00pm

re: #231 ShanghaiEd

Or is "pissing off the libs" considered a full-time job now?

It's not merely considered a job now, it's considered sufficient for endorsing a position or a person.

"I really love X because it/he/she makes liberals heads explode" is a common sentiment on the right now. God forbid I ever pick my positions or my candidates based purely on how much it makes someone else angry.

That being said, BlueCanuck is, i believe, engaging in some hyperbole there and doesn't genuinely believe that.

235 swamprat  Sat, Aug 1, 2009 11:07:52pm

re: #228 austin_blue

Worse than Hoover?
He really sucked.
Perhaps you remember him; he did a little thing called,
"the crash!"
He had people lining up,
even though they were depressed.

But we're all over that, now.

236 capitalist piglet  Sat, Aug 1, 2009 11:07:54pm

re: #233 pink freud

Keep singin' it. Your audience is dwindling.

Of course, when a group of elderly people trying to talk to Diane Feinstein about the healthcare legislation outside her office get escorted away by police, it's easy to say they "suck" at activism.

237 srb1976  Sat, Aug 1, 2009 11:07:54pm

re: #232 Fenway_Nation

Oh...no reason to jump to conclusions after only six months. Right now I'll just leave it at 'Worst president in my lifetime' and see where it goes from there...

/And I was technically alive for Carter

Me too...but don't remember much (was 4 when reagan was elected) = )

238 Soona'  Sat, Aug 1, 2009 11:08:38pm

re: #232 Fenway_Nation

Oh...no reason to jump to conclusions after only six months. Right now I'll just leave it at 'Worst president in my lifetime' and see where it goes from there...

/And I was technically alive for Carter

Trust me. What Carter wrecked in four years has only taken six months for the zero. (and the rest of the dems)

239 Fenway_Nation  Sat, Aug 1, 2009 11:08:49pm

re: #237 srb1976


Same here...

240 swamprat  Sat, Aug 1, 2009 11:09:19pm

re: #231 ShanghaiEd


Just a hobby.

241 BARACK THE VOTE  Sat, Aug 1, 2009 11:09:29pm

re: #233 pink freud

Keep singin' it. Your audience is dwindling.

According to the polls and the election results, you're the one with the dwindling audience honey. :)

GOP Losses Span Nearly All Demographic Groups

I love your electoral strategy of "Clap Louder". It might have worked for Tinkerbelle; doesn't look so good as an electoral strategy.

242 austin_blue  Sat, Aug 1, 2009 11:10:14pm

re: #227 Last Mohican

I didn't know they called him that. Do you know why? Apparently there is good reason to believe that Buchanan was gay, but I don't think that's what the "Mrs. Buchanan" thing would have been about.

Not completely sure. There is this:

In his book, Lies Across America, James W. Loewen points out that in May 1844, during one of the interruptions in Buchanan and King's relationship that resulted from King's appointment as minister to France, Buchanan wrote to a Mrs. Roosevelt about his social life, "I am now 'solitary and alone', having no companion in the house with me. I have gone a wooing to several gentlemen, but have not succeeded with any one of them. I feel that it is not good for man to be alone, and [I] should not be astonished to find myself married to some old maid who can nurse me when I am sick, provide good dinners for me when I am well, and not expect from me any very ardent or romantic affection."[23][24][25]

243 Irenicum  Sat, Aug 1, 2009 11:10:19pm

re: #218 swamprat

Oh, Cod that's terrible!

244 Fenway_Nation  Sat, Aug 1, 2009 11:10:45pm

OK...theparty down the street went from the Cult to the Stones...to the Macarena.

Now I'm going to ask that they send a SWAT team with shoot-to-kill orders- starting with the speakers.

245 Dancing along the light of day  Sat, Aug 1, 2009 11:11:06pm

re: #230 iceweasel

Not so. Conservatives (thus far) just suck at grassroots and activism. I'm not just talking about offline, but also online.

It's interesting to note that the right owns talk radio, and the left owns the net. One reason is that old trope "ask three liberals, get 4 opinions". The left loves to argue, most of all among themselves. This is why they excel at the net-- it spawns content and many, many blogs.

The right has a more top-down approach and consequently owns talk radio.

It'll be interesting to see how that changes now, given that the GOP is fracturing, many true conservatives are disgusted with the GOP, and the GOP leadership is in a shambles.

We're really poised to see a big shift in the GOP and messaging, and it will be interesting to see what happens.

I would not agree. Interesting, yes, but conclusions here, well, no.
I don't know that "The right has a more top-down approach and consequently owns talk radio." Aren't the radio hosts independently producing their shows & airilng their viewpoints? Why would they take talking points from "the right" or "the left"?

246 pink freud  Sat, Aug 1, 2009 11:11:09pm

re: #236 capitalist piglet

Of course, when a group of elderly people trying to talk to Diane Feinstein about the healthcare legislation outside her office get escorted away by police, it's easy to say they "suck" at activism.

Or when those with no association whatsoever with Luap Nor or his ilk attend gatherings formally known as "tea parties" and are lambasted as possible extremists or worse when their only motivation is to have their collective voice heard regarding the effect this administration is having on their lives.

247 Last Mohican  Sat, Aug 1, 2009 11:11:14pm

re: #228 austin_blue

The fact that Buchanan was the only bachelor president is one of only two things I remember from my high school American History class.

The other one is that Warren Harding supposedly had a particularly ugly wife.

Apologies to Mrs. Harding's ghost, if she's logged in. I never saw a picture or anything, that's just what my teacher said.

248 BARACK THE VOTE  Sat, Aug 1, 2009 11:11:50pm

re: #244 Fenway_Nation

OK...theparty down the street went from the Cult to the Stones...to the Macarena.

Now I'm going to ask that they send a SWAT team with shoot-to-kill orders- starting with the speakers.

This is one case where this fervent lib and civil libertarian will be quite happy to support you. :)

249 srb1976  Sat, Aug 1, 2009 11:12:05pm

Her Royal Stoutness is up...poor thing...but she's once again trying to take years off my life (She's learning to climb up on things, and isn't happy unless she's sitting right on the edge of something, and bouncing)

250 swamprat  Sat, Aug 1, 2009 11:12:43pm

re: #243 Irenicum

Oh, Cod that's terrible!

Your criticism has me floundering

251 pink freud  Sat, Aug 1, 2009 11:12:58pm

re: #244 Fenway_Nation

OK...theparty down the street went from the Cult to the Stones...to the Macarena.

Now I'm going to ask that they send a SWAT team with shoot-to-kill orders- starting with the speakers.

Maybe you could submit a request? ;-)

252 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Aug 1, 2009 11:14:15pm

re: #244 Fenway_Nation

OK...theparty down the street went from the Cult to the Stones...to the Macarena.

Now I'm going to ask that they send a SWAT team with shoot-to-kill orders- starting with the speakers.

Just when you think people have taste, they put on a musical atrocity. It prefer to send them a mini fuel-air bomb.

/kidding

253 austin_blue  Sat, Aug 1, 2009 11:14:16pm

re: #235 swamprat

Worse than Hoover?
He really sucked.
Perhaps you remember him; he did a little thing called,
"the crash!"
He had people lining up,
even though they were depressed.

But we're all over that, now.

Well, Hoover was a Republican, so he can't be the worst!

;-)

(Little known fact. Hoover carried Texas in 1928, the first 'Pub to do so since Reconstruction and the last to do so before Reagan. Why the anomaly? Simple. He was running against Al Smith, who was Catholic.)

254 Soona'  Sat, Aug 1, 2009 11:14:21pm

re: #235 swamprat

Worse than Hoover?
He really sucked.
Perhaps you remember him; he did a little thing called,
"the crash!"
He had people lining up,
even though they were depressed.

But we're all over that, now.

Did you forget your sarc tag? I took it as sarcasm, but...

255 swamprat  Sat, Aug 1, 2009 11:15:23pm

re: #244 Fenway_Nation

OK...theparty down the street went from the Cult to the Stones...to the Macarena.

Now I'm going to ask that they send a SWAT team with shoot-to-kill orders- starting with the speakers.

"the Macarena."

Go down there with an ax.
There's not a jury in the world would convict you.

256 Dancing along the light of day  Sat, Aug 1, 2009 11:15:26pm

re: #241 iceweasel

Iceweasel, I like a lot of your input, and viewpoint. I personally think you could make an effort to be nicer/politer in the way you frame your responses! This from one who has been called "blunt to the point of brutality" in personnel reviews. If you care enough to try.

257 BlueCanuck  Sat, Aug 1, 2009 11:16:03pm

re: #231 ShanghaiEd

Okay, I might be engaging in a some hyperbole. I am just going by what I have seen. I have seen far more left wing protests then I have right wing. It's endemic all over. The parts that piss me off are how well the left is organized. I was really turned off this past December up here when we were going through a government crisis. This is what I saw and wrote about. Any way. I am invoking the IronFist rule and logging off and going to bed.

Have a good night folks and see you all later.

258 Fenway_Nation  Sat, Aug 1, 2009 11:16:51pm

re: #251 pink freud


Maybe they should send a black or hispanic officer so I can accuse him (or her) of profiling Innebriated-Americans...get into a shouting match with him or her, get locked up for disorderly conduct, run crying to my friend the mayor/governor/president, say untrue things about the officer then get invited to the White House to smooth things over a couple of Cuba Libres...

/what could possibly go wrong?

259 Last Mohican  Sat, Aug 1, 2009 11:17:18pm

re: #255 swamprat

"the Macarena."

Go down there with an ax.
There's not a jury in the world would convict you.

Actually, playing "the Macarena" in public is a felony in at least ten or twelve states.

260 capitalist piglet  Sat, Aug 1, 2009 11:18:26pm

Some interesting numbers from Rasmussen.

In a survey in November 2007, 41% of Americans described themselves as fiscally conservative. Forty-three percent (43%) said they were fiscally moderate and 12% said liberal. Thirty-seven percent (37%) said they were conservative when it comes to “social issues like abortion, public prayer, and church-state topics.” On those social issues, 30% said they were moderate and 30% said liberal.

261 solomonpanting  Sat, Aug 1, 2009 11:18:39pm

I've got it! A completely new explanation! Never before uttered, written, or even imagined! It's a...a...a...a...a
Vast Right Wing Conspiracy!

262 Last Mohican  Sat, Aug 1, 2009 11:19:03pm

re: #258 Fenway_Nation

Cuba Libres at the White House?

Not with this president, you won't.

263 pink freud  Sat, Aug 1, 2009 11:19:31pm

re: #258 Fenway_Nation

Maybe they should send a black or hispanic officer so I can accuse him (or her) of profiling Innebriated-Americans...get into a shouting match with him or her, get locked up for disorderly conduct, run crying to my friend the mayor/governor/president, say untrue things about the officer then get invited to the White House to smooth things over a couple of Cuba Libres...

/what could possibly go wrong?

Oh fer Pete's sake ...just go over and ask 'em to play some Richard Thompson.

264 srb1976  Sat, Aug 1, 2009 11:19:41pm

Yay...she got down without a head injury!!!

265 BARACK THE VOTE  Sat, Aug 1, 2009 11:19:47pm

re: #245 Floral Giraffe

I would not agree. Interesting, yes, but conclusions here, well, no.
I don't know that "The right has a more top-down approach and consequently owns talk radio." Aren't the radio hosts independently producing their shows & airilng their viewpoints? Why would they take talking points from "the right" or "the left"?

"Top-down" in the sense that the content generated is generated top-down from the host or personality. The message is constrained on a daily basis by the host and all calls are pre-screened. It's the opposite of the net-ethos.

The net, on the other hand, is total wildwest, because the conversation is taken over by the commentators, -- it's the nature of the format. Sites that don't allow comments at all aren't taking advantage of the full opportunities of the format.

The unruly, rowdy, ideologically diverse nature of 'the left' in the US means that they're culturally, ideologically, and dispositionally suited to the net. They(we) can hit the ground running. The right is playing catchup.

Here's something I notice: the left has for years made online activism easy and streamlined. I can think of at least 5 places offhand that have action alerts and you automatically get emails about how to participate. Enter your zipcode and your name and you can sign a petition, etc. You don't even need to know who your congresspeople are. It takes literally one minute a day to particpate in say, 5 different actions.

On the right-- nothing like that. A few places that send you an email telling you that for a donation, they'll mail a teabag to congress or something equally farcical.

The left owns online activism. Hopefully the right will catch up.

266 Fenway_Nation  Sat, Aug 1, 2009 11:20:08pm

re: #262 Last Mohican

Or Honduras Libres, Venezuela Libres or Nicaragua Libres...

267 swamprat  Sat, Aug 1, 2009 11:21:11pm

re: #254 Soona'

The depression was pretty grim.
If you want to defend Hoover, jump in.
It could honestly be said that the depression domino'd from one country to another and that it was America's turn in the barrel, but I was not being sarcastic, I was being facitious jovial

funny.

268 tradewind  Sat, Aug 1, 2009 11:21:33pm

News got you snoozing? Auto tune it...

269 Fenway_Nation  Sat, Aug 1, 2009 11:22:19pm

re: #265 iceweasel

You don't even need to know who your congresspeople are. It takes literally one minute a day to particpate in say, 5 different actions.

Ignorance on the left!!?!? Color me shocked...

270 RunningBare  Sat, Aug 1, 2009 11:22:52pm

re: #265 iceweasel

Here's something I notice: the left has for years made online activism easy and streamlined. I can think of at least 5 places offhand that have action alerts and you automatically get emails about how to participate. Enter your zipcode and your name and you can sign a petition, etc. You don't even need to know who your congresspeople are. It takes literally one minute a day to particpate in say, 5 different actions.

Ah. I see. Make it easy for the people who dont' give a shit... who cna't even be bothered to know who their congresscritter is. Wow. What could possibly go wrong.

271 ShanghaiEd  Sat, Aug 1, 2009 11:22:54pm

re: #247 Last Mohican

The fact that Buchanan was the only bachelor president is one of only two things I remember from my high school American History class.

The other one is that Warren Harding supposedly had a particularly ugly wife.

Apologies to Mrs. Harding's ghost, if she's logged in. I never saw a picture or anything, that's just what my teacher said.

LM: Well, I wouldn't say Mrs. Harding was ugly. Intense, maybe? Striking? :)

Image: FlorenceHarding.jpg

272 pink freud  Sat, Aug 1, 2009 11:24:24pm

re: #265 iceweasel

"Top-down" in the sense that the content generated is generated top-down from the host or personality. The message is constrained on a daily basis by the host and all calls are pre-screened. It's the opposite of the net-ethos.

The net, on the other hand, is total wildwest, because the conversation is taken over by the commentators, -- it's the nature of the format. Sites that don't allow comments at all aren't taking advantage of the full opportunities of the format.

The unruly, rowdy, ideologically diverse nature of 'the left' in the US means that they're culturally, ideologically, and dispositionally suited to the net. They(we) can hit the ground running. The right is playing catchup.

Here's something I notice: the left has for years made online activism easy and streamlined. I can think of at least 5 places offhand that have action alerts and you automatically get emails about how to participate. Enter your zipcode and your name and you can sign a petition, etc. You don't even need to know who your congresspeople are. It takes literally one minute a day to particpate in say, 5 different actions.

On the right-- nothing like that. A few places that send you an email telling you that for a donation, they'll mail a teabag to congress or something equally farcical.

The left owns online activism. Hopefully the right will catch up.

I wonder what Sun Tzu would think about your wishing for the opposition to succeed. Seems a bit odd.

273 Soona'  Sat, Aug 1, 2009 11:24:56pm

re: #256 Floral Giraffe

Iceweasel, I like a lot of your input, and viewpoint. I personally think you could make an effort to be nicer/politer in the way you frame your responses! This from one who has been called "blunt to the point of brutality" in personnel reviews. If you care enough to try.

Hey Floral. I love brutally blunt. (most of the time) ;)

274 RunningBare  Sat, Aug 1, 2009 11:25:29pm

re: #272 pink freud

I wonder what Sun Tzu would think about your wishing for the opposition to succeed. Seems a bit odd.

He's probably cough the centuries of dust out of his throat, and ask for a glass of water... ;)

275 Dancing along the light of day  Sat, Aug 1, 2009 11:26:53pm

re: #270 RunningBare

Ah. I see. Make it easy for the people who dont' give a shit... who cna't even be bothered to know who their congresscritter is. Wow. What could possibly go wrong.

Sad, but true. And, it works in reverse! My congresscritter doesn't know (or care!) who I am, or what I want. It votes it's own way. HOW is this representation???

276 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Aug 1, 2009 11:27:15pm

I'm fading now, so I'm going to sign off. Goodnight, all.

277 Fenway_Nation  Sat, Aug 1, 2009 11:27:57pm

re: #276 Dark_Falcon

Fare thee well, avian raptor of the earthy-tone-ish persuasion...

278 Dancing along the light of day  Sat, Aug 1, 2009 11:28:13pm

re: #273 Soona'

"I yam what I yam!"
Popeye!

Gimmee that can of spinnach!

279 BARACK THE VOTE  Sat, Aug 1, 2009 11:28:32pm

re: #272 pink freud

I wonder what Sun Tzu would think about your wishing for the opposition to succeed. Seems a bit odd.

It's only odd if you're one of the assholes who thinks in terms of party warfare, instead of what's good for the country.

Me, I think it's really unhealthy for a democracy to only have one viable party. Me, I don't like having one party in charge of all branches of gov't-- no matter who that party is.

You apparently see nothing wrong with that. You apparently think that Sun Tzu was writing about democracy.

Says a lot about how you feel about other Americans, and people who don't share your point of view. Seems more than a bit odd.

280 RunningBare  Sat, Aug 1, 2009 11:28:35pm

re: #275 Floral Giraffe

Sad, but true. And, it works in reverse! My congresscritter doesn't know (or care!) who I am, or what I want. It votes it's own way. HOW is this representation???


Listen pal, our betters are in charge now. They KNOW what's best for us. So just shut up, bend over, spread those cheeks and allow the liberal ideology to fill you to the rim with socialist goodness.

281 capitalist piglet  Sat, Aug 1, 2009 11:29:09pm

(Bare, do you remember that? I though you were the one who told me.)
re: #275 Floral Giraffe

Sad, but true. And, it works in reverse! My congresscritter doesn't know (or care!) who I am, or what I want. It votes it's own way. HOW is this representation???

The other day, Bare told me about some Democrat in congress who said something about his constituents that was pretty much the sentiment you described.

(Who was that, Bare?)

282 pink freud  Sat, Aug 1, 2009 11:29:34pm

re: #278 Floral Giraffe

"I yam what I yam!"
Popeye!

Gimmee that can of spinnach!

OH! SPINACH!

(How could I have forgotten spinach! CP, yer snoozin' on me here.) ;-)

283 Fenway_Nation  Sat, Aug 1, 2009 11:30:44pm

re: #282 pink freud

Spinach fruitcup? No thanks...

284 Soona'  Sat, Aug 1, 2009 11:31:19pm

re: #267 swamprat

The depression was pretty grim.
If you want to defend Hoover, jump in.
It could honestly be said that the depression domino'd from one country to another and that it was America's turn in the barrel, but I was not being sarcastic, I was being facitious jovial

funny.

I forgot who posted it. It was either upthread or in the last thread, an article on the millions of Americans about to come to the end of their unemployment benefits and with no economic relief in sight. We are about to enter a period that may be just as bad or worse than anything claimed to have been caused by Hoover.

285 srb1976  Sat, Aug 1, 2009 11:31:23pm

I really need to have a talk with better half about what's going into HRS's sippy cup...never seen a toddler so spun at 1:30 AM...positively giddy

286 BARACK THE VOTE  Sat, Aug 1, 2009 11:31:31pm

re: #256 Floral Giraffe

Iceweasel, I like a lot of your input, and viewpoint. I personally think you could make an effort to be nicer/politer in the way you frame your responses! This from one who has been called "blunt to the point of brutality" in personnel reviews. If you care enough to try.

If I seemed snippy in that one to you, I'd suggest you check out the history of interaction in this one case, with this particular person.

287 Irenicum  Sat, Aug 1, 2009 11:31:45pm

re: #247 Last Mohican

Here's a wiki link to Florence Harding. I must admit, I knew nothing of her until now. She was definitely an interesting woman.

288 RunningBare  Sat, Aug 1, 2009 11:32:08pm

re: #281 capitalist piglet


The other day, Bare told me about some Democrat in congress who said something about his constituents that was pretty much the sentiment you described.

(Who was that, Bare?)


“There is no point in meeting with my constituents and [to] listen to them and have them listen to you…”–US Representative Tim Bishop (D-NY)

289 RunningBare  Sat, Aug 1, 2009 11:33:03pm

re: #284 Soona'

I forgot who posted it. It was either upthread or in the last thread, an article on the millions of Americans about to come to the end of their unemployment benefits and with no economic relief in sight. We are about to enter a period that may be just as bad or worse than anything claimed to have been caused by Hoover.

Oh God, I hope we dont' end up with Obamavilles scattered around the nation.

290 NJDhockeyfan  Sat, Aug 1, 2009 11:33:57pm

I like this t-shirt.

LOL

291 Irenicum  Sat, Aug 1, 2009 11:34:03pm

re: #250 swamprat

We should consider scaling back our comments and calling it fin.

292 Dancing along the light of day  Sat, Aug 1, 2009 11:35:05pm

re: #281 capitalist piglet

You can pry the guns out of my cold, dead hands.
*Applies to many of my constitutional liberties* Not just guns.

I find it amazing, the size of the document that is the US Constitution
( Thanks to PingJockey for referring me to Amazon, where a copy of the Constitution is under $10!) and the liberties & freedoms & lack of government, that our government was founded on, is a teeny tiny 5 page document! And, the FREEDOMS is promises! WOW! Can we change our current focus to freedom? I wish!

293 BARACK THE VOTE  Sat, Aug 1, 2009 11:35:24pm

re: #288 RunningBare

“There is no point in meeting with my constituents and [to] listen to them and have them listen to you…”–US Representative Tim Bishop (D-NY)

Out of context. he said that because of this:

[Link: thinkprogress.org...]

Right-Wing Harassment Strategy Against Dems Detailed In Memo: ‘Yell,’ ‘Stand Up And Shout Out,’ ‘Rattle Him’

“I had felt they would be pointless,” Rep. Tim Bishop (D-N.Y.) told POLITICO, referring to his recent decision to temporarily suspend the events in his Long Island district. “There is no point in meeting with my constituents and [to] listen to them and have them listen to you if what is basically an unruly mob prevents you from having an intelligent conversation.”

In Bishop’s case, his decision came on the heels of a June 22 event he held in Setauket, N.Y., in which protesters dominated the meeting by shouting criticisms at the congressman for his positions on energy policy, health care and the bailout of the auto industry.

Within an hour of the disruption, police were called in to escort the 59-year-old Democrat — who has held more than 100 town hall meetings since he was elected in 2002 — to his car safely.

294 pink freud  Sat, Aug 1, 2009 11:35:45pm

re: #279 iceweasel

It's only odd if you're one of the assholes who thinks in terms of party warfare, instead of what's good for the country.

Oh. You mean like 0bama, Pelois, Reid? Those assholes?

Me, I think it's really unhealthy for a democracy to only have one viable party. Me, I don't like having one party in charge of all branches of gov't-- no matter who that party is.

May I take this to mean you are unhappy then, with the current abysmal state of affairs? Oh ...in America, I mean.

You apparently see nothing wrong with that. You apparently think that Sun Tzu was writing about democracy.


No, not at all. He was writing about war. You know ...opponents, adversaries?

Says a lot about how you feel about other Americans, and people who don't share your point of view. Seems more than a bit odd.

Good! Those who know me as a regular poster are very familiar with my positions and my agenda and as my karma can attest to, obviously enjoy them.

295 Dancing along the light of day  Sat, Aug 1, 2009 11:36:33pm

re: #286 iceweasel

No, not snippy in any single case. Just Lizard to Lizard.
HEH! Not Mano on Mano!
;)

296 Fenway_Nation  Sat, Aug 1, 2009 11:37:41pm

re: #286 iceweasel

Sorry ice...still trying to wrap my head around your #265.

It's OK to be ignorant right down to exactly who you're filling our a form-letter/action alert to...so long as you're quick about it?

297 pink freud  Sat, Aug 1, 2009 11:37:55pm

re: #285 srb1976

I really need to have a talk with better half about what's going into HRS's sippy cup...never seen a toddler so spun at 1:30 AM...positively giddy

Spinach!

298 NJDhockeyfan  Sat, Aug 1, 2009 11:38:13pm

What kind of idiots do we have working at the TSA?

TSA seizes Disney World toys

NORTH MIAMI, Fla., July 29 (UPI) -- Florida's Disney World has agreed to replace a toy sword and a toy gun confiscated from two young boys at a Fort Lauderdale airport.

Michelle Chao of North Miami, Fla., said Transportation Security Administration officers confiscated the $6 toy sword and the bright red wooden gun from her 4-year-old son, Julien, and his cousin, Gerry Edge, who was visiting from North Carolina, WPLG-TV, Miami, reported Wednesday.

Chao said TSA officers told her realistic toy weapons are banned on planes.

"They're plastic. One has the words 'Jack Sparrow' written on the blade," she said.

She said TSA officers did not give her the option of moving the items to checked baggage.

"They just took them. They're just toys," she said.

Disney World has agreed to replace the toys for no cost, Chao said.

299 pink freud  Sat, Aug 1, 2009 11:38:40pm

re: #288 RunningBare

“There is no point in meeting with my constituents and [to] listen to them and have them listen to you…”–US Representative Tim Bishop (D-NY)

Wow. A peach, eh?

300 RunningBare  Sat, Aug 1, 2009 11:38:47pm

re: #293 iceweasel

Basically, for many democrats in office, they dont' want to hear opposing viewpoints. They dont' have to because, you know, they "won". Funny, though, you don't see politicians on the Right cancelling meetings and such when you KNOW Leftist groups like Code 2 in The Pink or whatever are gonna be there causing a disruption.

Bottom line? If his constituents agree with him, he'd be fine. But disagree? Well, cna't have that.

301 Dancing along the light of day  Sat, Aug 1, 2009 11:39:06pm

re: #294 pink freud
Pink Freud ROCKS. IMHO...

Good! Those who know me as a regular poster are very familiar with my positions and my agenda and as my karma can attest to, obviously enjoy them.

302 capitalist piglet  Sat, Aug 1, 2009 11:39:42pm

re: #289 RunningBare

Oh God, I hope we dont' end up with Obamavilles scattered around the nation.

Remember that meeting I attended with the Democrat county councilwoman - where the crowd was angry with her for what she was trying to do to their district, and she said something like, "I don't have to stand here and take this!"

She lost the next election. She should have stood there and taken it...and maybe given a shit what the citizens in her district were trying to tell her.

Same goes for the guy you posted about, imo. We elect them to hear us...even when we're mad.

303 Soona'  Sat, Aug 1, 2009 11:41:09pm

re: #289 RunningBare

Oh God, I hope we dont' end up with Obamavilles scattered around the nation.

But I've heard they'll be surrounded by nothing but sunshine and lollopops.

304 srb1976  Sat, Aug 1, 2009 11:41:11pm

re: #302 capitalist piglet

Remember that meeting I attended with the Democrat county councilwoman - where the crowd was angry with her for what she was trying to do to their district, and she said something like, "I don't have to stand here and take this!"

She lost the next election. She should have stood there and taken it...and maybe given a shit what the citizens in her district were trying to tell her.

Same goes for the guy you posted about, imo. We elect them to hear us...even when we're mad.


I would say Especially when we're mad...that tends to be when it matters

305 pink freud  Sat, Aug 1, 2009 11:41:28pm

re: #301 Floral Giraffe

Pink Freud ROCKS. IMHO...

Good! Those who know me as a regular poster are very familiar with my positions and my agenda and as my karma can attest to, obviously enjoy them.

The feeling is totally mutual, checkered capybara. ;-) Thank you!

306 BARACK THE VOTE  Sat, Aug 1, 2009 11:41:55pm

re: #294 pink freud

Oh. You mean like 0bama, Pelois, Reid? Those assholes?

The same people I have criticised here? I've publically said I can't stand Pelosi or Reid, and I have my own criticisms of Obama.

Those who know me as a regular poster are very familiar with my positions and my agenda and as my karma can attest to, obviously enjoy them.

Really? My Karma's looking OK, pink. And anyone who looks can find out that you continually downding me for simply saying hello. :) And I know quite a few regular posters are already aware of your Hate-On for me.

May I take this to mean you are unhappy then, with the current abysmal state of affairs? Oh ...in America, I mean.

Nice one! Am I not "American" enough for you? What's next, a demand for my birth certificate? My passport? :)

307 RunningBare  Sat, Aug 1, 2009 11:42:04pm

re: #302 capitalist piglet

Remember that meeting I attended with the Democrat county councilwoman - where the crowd was angry with her for what she was trying to do to their district, and she said something like, "I don't have to stand here and take this!"

She lost the next election. She should have stood there and taken it...and maybe given a shit what the citizens in her district were trying to tell her.

Same goes for the guy you posted about, imo. We elect them to hear us...even when we're mad.


Yup. I remember that to this very day. That place was PACKED with people - normal every day people, and not any big action group. Just every day joe and Jane Sixpack, letting her, and the activist group sharing the stage with her, that we disapproved. And, that quote was MONEY.

308 RunningBare  Sat, Aug 1, 2009 11:43:11pm

re: #304 srb1976

I would say Especially when we're mad...that tends to be when it matters


Not out here. It's been pretty much a one-party state since I've been here (a few decades). Ice Weasal would HATE it hehere, I'm guessing.

309 pink freud  Sat, Aug 1, 2009 11:43:44pm

re: #302 capitalist piglet

Remember that meeting I attended with the Democrat county councilwoman - where the crowd was angry with her for what she was trying to do to their district, and she said something like, "I don't have to stand here and take this!"

She lost the next election. She should have stood there and taken it...and maybe given a shit what the citizens in her district were trying to tell her.

Same goes for the guy you posted about, imo. We elect them to hear us...even when we're mad.

I think by being elected they believe they ascend to some sort of god-like status. This must change. Vote 'em all out and start all over ...and if the new gaggle can't see clear toward hearing the voices of those they represent, do it again until they get it right. Period.

310 austin_blue  Sat, Aug 1, 2009 11:44:05pm

re: #308 RunningBare

Not out here. It's been pretty much a one-party state since I've been here (a few decades). Ice Weasal would HATE it hehere, I'm guessing.

Where are you, in general terms?

311 RunningBare  Sat, Aug 1, 2009 11:44:26pm

re: #306 iceweasel

And I know quite a few regular posters are already aware of your Hate-On for me.

I had a Hate-On once. It was so angry, it spit at me. :(

312 srb1976  Sat, Aug 1, 2009 11:45:08pm

re: #308 RunningBare

Not out here. It's been pretty much a one-party state since I've been here (a few decades). Ice Weasal would HATE it hehere, I'm guessing.

Here too...but maybe for different reasons (Alabama is a pretty stinkin' red state)

313 pink freud  Sat, Aug 1, 2009 11:45:42pm

re: #306 iceweasel

Oh. You mean like 0bama, Pelois, Reid? Those assholes?

The same people I have criticised here? I've publically said I can't stand Pelosi or Reid, and I have my own criticisms of Obama.

Those who know me as a regular poster are very familiar with my positions and my agenda and as my karma can attest to, obviously enjoy them.

Really? My Karma's looking OK, pink. And anyone who looks can find out that you continually downding me for simply saying hello. :) And I know quite a few regular posters are already aware of your Hate-On for me.

May I take this to mean you are unhappy then, with the current abysmal state of affairs? Oh ...in America, I mean.

Nice one! Am I not "American" enough for you? What's next, a demand for my birth certificate? My passport? :)

Is this what passes for intellectual debate on all of those liberal websites you keep regaling us about?

314 Soona'  Sat, Aug 1, 2009 11:45:53pm

re: #298 NJDhockeyfan

What kind of idiots do we have working at the TSA?

TSA seizes Disney World toys

Disney also said they'd be sending the replacements to the childs local grade school.
//

315 RunningBare  Sat, Aug 1, 2009 11:46:07pm

re: #310 austin_blue

Where are you, in general terms?


Forget general. I am in the People's Soviet of Washington.

316 BARACK THE VOTE  Sat, Aug 1, 2009 11:46:49pm

re: #296 Fenway_Nation

Sorry ice...still trying to wrap my head around your #265.

It's OK to be ignorant right down to exactly who you're filling our a form-letter/action alert to...so long as you're quick about it?

No. Many people don't know the names of every single elected official in their district. Sometimes this means state reps, sometimes city council, sometimes something else. In some places family court judges are elected positions. District Attornies. Everything.

The left excels at online activism in part because so many sites streamline it. You sign up once for a list, you choose the issues that matter to you, you put in your zipcode, and you'll get a continual stream of emails every day that tell you everything going on for you-- not just on the national scale but the most local, and the microlocal. The right has nothing like that.

317 capitalist piglet  Sat, Aug 1, 2009 11:47:38pm

re: #309 pink freud

I think by being elected they believe they ascend to some sort of god-like status. This must change. Vote 'em all out and start all over ...and if the new gaggle can't see clear toward hearing the voices of those they represent, do it again until they get it right. Period.

This woman was a Democrat, as I mentioned, and this area tends to vote Democrat, as you know.

I think it truly stunned her that she was getting blowback on what she was doing - people were very angry, and you could see on her face that she had never gotten this kind of reaction or resistance before. If I remember correctly, another thing she said - well, yelled, really - was, "YOU HAVE TO LISTEN TO ME!"

She apparently didn't think she had to listen to us, however.

A conceptual problem, that.

318 pink freud  Sat, Aug 1, 2009 11:49:38pm

re: #317 capitalist piglet

This woman was a Democrat, as I mentioned, and this area tends to vote Democrat, as you know.

I think it truly stunned her that she was getting blowback on what she was doing - people were very angry, and you could see on her face that she had never gotten this kind of reaction or resistance before. If I remember correctly, another thing she said - well, yelled, really - was, "YOU HAVE TO LISTEN TO ME!"

She apparently didn't think she had to listen to us, however.

A conceptual problem, that.

That whole 'unclear on the concept' does seem to be rampant on the progressive side of things, doesn't it? (Although to be fair, the right has their own set of problems with that also.)

319 RunningBare  Sat, Aug 1, 2009 11:49:42pm

re: #317 capitalist piglet

If I remember correctly, another thing she said - well, yelled, really - was, "YOU HAVE TO LISTEN TO ME!"

She apparently didn't think she had to listen to us, however.

A conceptual problem, that.

You remember correctly. But, you have to understand, that's what it said in her Official State of Washington Elected Official's Handbook - we have to listen to her.

320 swamprat  Sat, Aug 1, 2009 11:49:43pm

re: #284 Soona'
You didn't see it on CNN. Yahoo has a story about how we are about to bounce back up. But when Bush had a a lesser "*malaise",
It was all about how it was "almost a recession". Worse now, and "we're about to go back up" ...soon ... any minute now ...
got to work, look at how much we borrowed ... that kind of stimulus don't come cheap... any minute now ... any minute


/* google Carters' "malaise", and see what a moderately left-wing ideological fuck-up can do, Carter was a good man, but not a good pres. Too gullible, too nice, didn't understand economics that well.

Oh lord.

321 RunningBare  Sat, Aug 1, 2009 11:50:41pm

re: #316 iceweasel


The right has nothing like that.


Yes we do. We just hide it. All part of our super secret cabal conspiracy.

322 BARACK THE VOTE  Sat, Aug 1, 2009 11:51:32pm

re: #313 pink freud

Is this what passes for intellectual debate on all of those liberal websites you keep regaling us about?

No. The quality of debate on liberal websites, and on LGF usually, is far higher than what you've just offered.

323 RunningBare  Sat, Aug 1, 2009 11:52:14pm

re: #320 swamprat

You didn't see it on CNN. Yahoo has a story about how we are about to bounce back up. But when Bush had a a lesser "*malaise",
It was all about how it was "almost a recession". Worse now, and "we're about to go back up" ...soon ... any minute now ...
got to work, look at how much we borrowed ... that kind of stimulus don't come cheap... any minute now ... any minute


/* google Carters' "malaise", and see what a moderately left-wing ideological fuck-up can do, Carter was a good man, but not a good pres. Too gullible, too nice, didn't understand economics that well.

Oh lord.

One can only hope a mean ornery swamp rabbit comes out of nowhere, and comes after Obama. That would be cool.

324 austin_blue  Sat, Aug 1, 2009 11:53:04pm

re: #315 RunningBare

Forget general. I am in the People's Soviet of Washington.

Ah, I understand. Everybody outside of Austin refers to us as the People's Republic of Travis County. Probably deserved at some level, given that my precinct voted for Obama 93-7.

325 pink freud  Sat, Aug 1, 2009 11:53:55pm

re: #322 iceweasel

No. The quality of debate on liberal websites, and on LGF usually, is far higher than what you've just offered.

I work with what you give me, IW.

326 RunningBare  Sat, Aug 1, 2009 11:54:03pm

re: #322 iceweasel

No. The quality of debate on liberal websites, and on LGF usually, is far higher than what you've just offered.


AAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA OMG! AAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA *wipes tears from eyes* AAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
*Looks at DemocraticUnderground and DailyKOS again* AAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA *farts*

327 BARACK THE VOTE  Sat, Aug 1, 2009 11:54:11pm

re: #324 austin_blue

Ah, I understand. Everybody outside of Austin refers to us as the People's Republic of Travis County. Probably deserved at some level, given that my precinct voted for Obama 93-7.

Well, you people also have that crazy SXSW festival. :)

328 pink freud  Sat, Aug 1, 2009 11:54:51pm

re: #326 RunningBare

AAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA OMG! AAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA *wipes tears from eyes* AAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
*Looks at DemocraticUnderground and DailyKOS again* AAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA *farts*

STOP! Hahahahahahahaha! Hahahaha! OMG LOL

329 swamprat  Sat, Aug 1, 2009 11:54:58pm

re: #314 Soona'

Seems a good call; toy sword and gun.

If it had been something that could play "it's a small, small world" over and over again, prison time should be mandated, as you could blackmail the crew into giving up control of the plane.

330 RunningBare  Sat, Aug 1, 2009 11:55:06pm

re: #324 austin_blue

Ah, I understand. Everybody outside of Austin refers to us as the People's Republic of Travis County. Probably deserved at some level, given that my precinct voted for Obama 93-7.


Yup. Austin has that rep, certainly. I feel for ya, buddy.

331 Soona'  Sat, Aug 1, 2009 11:55:25pm

re: #320 swamprat

You didn't see it on CNN. Yahoo has a story about how we are about to bounce back up. But when Bush had a a lesser "*malaise",
It was all about how it was "almost a recession". Worse now, and "we're about to go back up" ...soon ... any minute now ...
got to work, look at how much we borrowed ... that kind of stimulus don't come cheap... any minute now ... any minute


/* google Carters' "malaise", and see what a moderately left-wing ideological fuck-up can do, Carter was a good man, but not a good pres. Too gullible, too nice, didn't understand economics that well.

Oh lord.

Isn't it CNN that's claiming that the recession is over?

332 austin_blue  Sat, Aug 1, 2009 11:55:30pm

re: #323 RunningBare

One can only hope a mean ornery swamp rabbit comes out of nowhere, and comes after Obama. That would be cool.

Nah, he is in possession of the Holy Hand Grenade of Antioch. Granted, though, that rabbit is dynamite!

333 BARACK THE VOTE  Sat, Aug 1, 2009 11:55:32pm

re: #326 RunningBare

AAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA OMG! AAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA *wipes tears from eyes* AAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
*Looks at DemocraticUnderground and DailyKOS again* AAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA *farts*

What a stellar response. How brilliant. Really destroyed my point.

You do know that I've panned dKos and DU right?

No, you wouldn't.

334 BARACK THE VOTE  Sat, Aug 1, 2009 11:56:59pm

re: #332 austin_blue

Nah, he is in possession of the Holy Hand Grenade of Antioch. Granted, though, that rabbit is dynamite!

Heh.

335 RunningBare  Sat, Aug 1, 2009 11:57:31pm

re: #332 austin_blue

Nah, he is in possession of the Holy Hand Grenade of Antioch. Granted, though, that rabbit is dynamite!


But, it looks like an ordinary rabbit!

336 Soona'  Sat, Aug 1, 2009 11:58:26pm

re: #324 austin_blue

Ah, I understand. Everybody outside of Austin refers to us as the People's Republic of Travis County. Probably deserved at some level, given that my precinct voted for Obama 93-7.

Austin and the university thereof is Texas' Berkley.

337 swamprat  Sat, Aug 1, 2009 11:58:29pm

re: #326 RunningBare

!
^ ding

338 swamprat  Sat, Aug 1, 2009 11:59:12pm

re: #331 Soona'

Happy daze are here again..

339 RunningBare  Sat, Aug 1, 2009 11:59:40pm

re: #333 iceweasel

What a stellar response. How brilliant. Really destroyed my point.

You do know that I've panned dKos and DU right?

No, you wouldn't.

Sorry, English is my second, well actually third language, so you'll have to excuse me. Maybe you can help me learn the correct way to say "I find your point about the level of dicourse on liberal blogs to be quite ludicrous, and in fact humourous on some level. In fact, I find it so humourous that I literally laughed out loud when I saw it, which caused not only tears to well up in my eyes from laughing so hard, it also caused involuntary flatulence"

Thanks in advance. I appreciate it. :)

340 pink freud  Sat, Aug 1, 2009 11:59:55pm

re: #333 iceweasel

I distinctly remember a post here by you, something to the effect of, "I have been thinking about posting on DKos and Huffpo, 'I have been to LGF and they are us'.

Is my memory faulty?

341 Irenicum  Sun, Aug 2, 2009 12:00:20am

Oh no! It's time to go to bed. Well here's some Andrew Bird singing Oh No.

342 srb1976  Sun, Aug 2, 2009 12:00:49am

That's it for me folks...looks like HRS is safely asleep, time for me to follow

343 Fenway_Nation  Sun, Aug 2, 2009 12:01:07am

re: #342 srb1976


Bye srb!

344 BARACK THE VOTE  Sun, Aug 2, 2009 12:01:39am

re: #339 RunningBare

If you can't figure out why your post confirmed my point, rather than refuted it, your problem runs deeper than vocabulary, poor thing.. I suggest checking out irony.

345 swamprat  Sun, Aug 2, 2009 12:04:15am

re: #344 iceweasel

Forgive us.
You were refering perhaps to
the Huffington Post
?

346 RunningBare  Sun, Aug 2, 2009 12:05:22am

re: #344 iceweasel

If you can't figure out why your post confirmed my point, rather than refuted it, your problem runs deeper than vocabulary, poor thing.. I suggest checking out irony.

Oh, I know, It's because I'm stu... stu... stu... stupid. It's ok. I've accepted it.

347 Dancing along the light of day  Sun, Aug 2, 2009 12:06:26am

Goodnight, all.
It's been fun. I hope to play with you all, sometime soon!
For now, I need to get some rest!
Play nice!

348 RunningBare  Sun, Aug 2, 2009 12:06:36am

Excuse me, I thought too hard and now I gotta wipe the drool off my chin. BRB.

349 pink freud  Sun, Aug 2, 2009 12:07:12am

re: #347 Floral Giraffe

Goodnight, all.
It's been fun. I hope to play with you all, sometime soon!
For now, I need to get some rest!
Play nice!

Goodnight FG! Good seeing you. Sleep well. :-)

350 capitalist piglet  Sun, Aug 2, 2009 12:07:34am

re: #340 pink freud

I distinctly remember a post here by you, something to the effect of, "I have been thinking about posting on DKos and Huffpo, 'I have been to LGF and they are us'.

Is my memory faulty?

I'm still stuck on:

You do know that I've panned dKos and DU right?

Why the hell should he know that?

351 capitalist piglet  Sun, Aug 2, 2009 12:08:44am

re: #348 RunningBare

Excuse me, I thought too hard and now I gotta wipe the drool off my chin. BRB.

I think you used up all your brain cells working for two of the most prestigious software companies in the world, and on that space shuttle thingy you helped design.

352 pink freud  Sun, Aug 2, 2009 12:08:56am

re: #350 capitalist piglet

Why the hell should he know that?

Illusion of importance? Overinflated ego? Who knows.

353 austin_blue  Sun, Aug 2, 2009 12:10:06am

re: #327 iceweasel

Well, you people also have that crazy SXSW festival. :)

The best part about SXSW is that those bands travel, in may cases, from overseas and they are not here to play a single official showcase. The "not SXSW", totally unofficial, means that those same bands will be playing sets in little venues outside of the official sites. We have a little sushi restaurant down the street, Uchi, that had a Saturday event in their parking lot where six Japanese groups came in and played while the staff served Japanese street food. It was tremendous. And you didn't need a freakin' wrist band to get in.

354 RunningBare  Sun, Aug 2, 2009 12:10:49am

re: #351 capitalist piglet

I think you used up all your brain cells working for two of the most prestigious software companies in the world, and on that space shuttle thingy you helped design.

Durrr da durrr *drool* durrr drrr da durrr...

355 Soona'  Sun, Aug 2, 2009 12:11:00am

re: #351 capitalist piglet

I think you used up all your brain cells working for two of the most prestigious software companies in the world, and on that space shuttle thingy you helped design.

It's either all of that or the Mad Dog.
//;)

356 Fenway_Nation  Sun, Aug 2, 2009 12:12:28am

re: #347 Floral Giraffe

G'nite Zany Zebra!

357 Soona'  Sun, Aug 2, 2009 12:12:44am

re: #353 austin_blue

The best part about SXSW is that those bands travel, in may cases, from overseas and they are not here to play a single official showcase. The "not SXSW", totally unofficial, means that those same bands will be playing sets in little venues outside of the official sites. We have a little sushi restaurant down the street, Uchi, that had a Saturday event in their parking lot where six Japanese groups came in and played while the staff served Japanese street food. It was tremendous. And you didn't need a freakin' wrist band to get in.

I was there this last March. Loved "Japan Night".

358 Racer X  Sun, Aug 2, 2009 12:12:57am

re: #316 iceweasel

No. Many people don't know the names of every single elected official in their district. Sometimes this means state reps, sometimes city council, sometimes something else. In some places family court judges are elected positions. District Attornies. Everything.

The left excels at online activism in part because so many sites streamline it. You sign up once for a list, you choose the issues that matter to you, you put in your zipcode, and you'll get a continual stream of emails every day that tell you everything going on for you-- not just on the national scale but the most local, and the microlocal. The right has nothing like that.

Because we work for a living.

359 austin_blue  Sun, Aug 2, 2009 12:13:04am

re: #330 RunningBare

Yup. Austin has that rep, certainly. I feel for ya, buddy.

Don't get me wrong, I was one of the 93%. The thing I like about LGF is that different philosophies can get a fair hearing if they are polite and make their points with clarity and sanity. We can agree to disagree here, and that is a fine thing.

360 J.D.  Sun, Aug 2, 2009 12:13:06am

Good morning y'all.

Some scary stuff here!


ABC 20/20 Takes on Health Care Reform
361 BARACK THE VOTE  Sun, Aug 2, 2009 12:13:53am

re: #340 pink freud

I distinctly remember a post here by you, something to the effect of, "I have been thinking about posting on DKos and Huffpo, 'I have been to LGF and they are us'.

Is my memory faulty?

Do you? How interesting that you remember one post by me! And yet not any of the many saying DU is the Free republic of the left!

It's not interesting at all, of course, given that you reposted that comment at least once. Why was that? What's your objection to having someone tell people they should read LGF, I wonder?

BTW, Charles has recently linked kos polls and HuffPo. :)

362 RunningBare  Sun, Aug 2, 2009 12:15:06am

re: #359 austin_blue

Don't get me wrong, I was one of the 93%. The thing I like about LGF is that different philosophies can get a fair hearing if they are polite and make their points with clarity and sanity. We can agree to disagree here, and that is a fine thing.

In all seriousness, it is the excellent high level of discourse on LGF that attracted me to the place. The intellect, the humour, etc... is far better than you'd find most other places. So, even mentioning LGF as an equivalent of some liberal blog I found to be insulting.

363 BARACK THE VOTE  Sun, Aug 2, 2009 12:15:55am

re: #362 RunningBare

In all seriousness, it is the excellent high level of discourse on LGF that attracted me to the place. The intellect, the humour, etc... is far better than you'd find most other places. So, even mentioning LGF as an equivalent of some liberal blog I found to be insulting.

Then you need to read liberal blogs that aren't HuffPo, Kos, or DU.

Which is what I have always said in any case.

364 austin_blue  Sun, Aug 2, 2009 12:16:12am

re: #358 Racer X

Because we work for a living.

Well, that was a low blow. I work my ass off. That doesn't mean I'm a sub-human because I vote for the Democrat unless the Republican is a better candidate.

365 RunningBare  Sun, Aug 2, 2009 12:17:38am

re: #363 iceweasel

Then you need to read liberal blogs that aren't HuffPo, Kos, or DU.

Which is what I have always said in any case.

I have. I am often in need of an emetic ;)

366 pink freud  Sun, Aug 2, 2009 12:18:29am

re: #361 iceweasel

My objection -- and that of not a few others, I am sure -- was to you, with such aplomb and misplaced certainty, comparing what resides at DKos and Huffpo with the exceptional caliber of most of the people who post here. Yes, it stuck with me. Yes, indeed, it did.

367 RunningBare  Sun, Aug 2, 2009 12:19:05am

re: #364 austin_blue

Well, that was a low blow. I work my ass off. That doesn't mean I'm a sub-human because I vote for the Democrat unless the Republican is a better candidate.


I think he meant it in the context of "Left wing activists have so much time for activism and creating amazing online tools because being left-wing activists IS their job..." rather than a blanket statement about democrats, or people who vote democrat, in general.

I coul dbe wrong, but that wa my impression based on the conversation. :)

368 Racer X  Sun, Aug 2, 2009 12:19:23am

re: #364 austin_blue

Well, that was a low blow. I work my ass off. That doesn't mean I'm a sub-human because I vote for the Democrat unless the Republican is a better candidate.

Low blow? I was being serious. Who are all of these people setting up political action newsletters, and who is paying them?

BTW - I agree with ice - repubs are horrible at this.

369 Racer X  Sun, Aug 2, 2009 12:19:58am

re: #367 RunningBare

What he said.

370 austin_blue  Sun, Aug 2, 2009 12:20:00am

re: #362 RunningBare

In all seriousness, it is the excellent high level of discourse on LGF that attracted me to the place. The intellect, the humour, etc... is far better than you'd find most other places. So, even mentioning LGF as an equivalent of some liberal blog I found to be insulting.

It's why I'm here. I like the give and take. I don't hang at echo chamber Liberal sites and I suspect you don't hang at the echo chamber Conservative sites. What would be the point? Circle jerks are not edifying. They are just circle jerks.

371 Soona'  Sun, Aug 2, 2009 12:21:11am

re: #362 RunningBare

In all seriousness, it is the excellent high level of discourse on LGF that attracted me to the place. The intellect, the humour, etc... is far better than you'd find most other places. So, even mentioning LGF as an equivalent of some liberal blog I found to be insulting.

I agree. The liberal blogs I've seen are vicious in nature. (the fucking bastards)

372 RunningBare  Sun, Aug 2, 2009 12:22:01am

re: #370 austin_blue

echo chamber Conservative sites. What would be the point? Circle jerks are not edifying. They are just circle jerks.

Depends on how good a friends they are, and I think as long as you don't touch, it's ok. (I think I read that on a liberal blog once)

373 BARACK THE VOTE  Sun, Aug 2, 2009 12:22:48am

re: #366 pink freud

My objection -- and that of not a few others, I am sure -- was to you, with such aplomb and misplaced certainty, comparing what resides at DKos and Huffpo with the exceptional caliber of most of the people who post here. Yes, it stuck with me. Yes, indeed, it did.

Sorry, your 'objection' was based in your lack of reading comprehension.

I still plan to post about why progressives and people on the left should read LGF-- and I'd love to make sure it goes up on HuffPo and Kos, in order to ensure the widest audience reach and to the people who need it most. Those are people who think of the right the way you personally clearly think of the left: some monolithic frightening enemy to be hated.

I don't find that conducive to discourse.

374 capitalist piglet  Sun, Aug 2, 2009 12:23:28am

re: #372 RunningBare

Depends on how good a friends they are, and I think as long as you don't touch, it's ok. (I think I read that on a liberal blog once)

I can't take you anywhere.

375 pink freud  Sun, Aug 2, 2009 12:24:06am

re: #373 iceweasel

Complete misrepresentation of the post in question.

"...and they are us" is the pertinent phrase.

376 RunningBare  Sun, Aug 2, 2009 12:24:41am

re: #374 capitalist piglet

I can't take you anywhere.

Sure you can. Just not in public.

377 austin_blue  Sun, Aug 2, 2009 12:26:16am

re: #368 Racer X

Low blow? I was being serious. Who are all of these people setting up political action newsletters, and who is paying them?

BTW - I agree with ice - repubs are horrible at this.

I think there is a tremendous amount of student activism out there. It has always been so. Should they be applying more time to their studies? Probably. But as has been said, "never let your college interfere with your education."

Does that lead to stupid extremism in some cases? You bet. But you know, you are only young once. And what would you rather have, kids pushing their convictions (even if misguided), in a peaceful, respectful way, (which is how it normally happens) or drunken frat boys?

378 J.D.  Sun, Aug 2, 2009 12:26:38am

re: #7 NJDhockeyfan

You guys seen the ObamaJoker posters popping up around LA?

Now that's funny.

379 J.D.  Sun, Aug 2, 2009 12:27:27am

Oops!
I jumped threads.

So sorry.

380 BARACK THE VOTE  Sun, Aug 2, 2009 12:27:41am

re: #364 austin_blue

Well, that was a low blow. I work my ass off. That doesn't mean I'm a sub-human because I vote for the Democrat unless the Republican is a better candidate.

Exactly. I'm sick of this meme that 'teh left' don't work, and I'm sick of this meme that 'the only reason 'teh left' owns blogs, activism and the net is because someone's funding it.

Sorry, not true. The people on the left are doing it before work, after work, in between work, just like anyone else. When conservatives get their shit together and stop whining about an unfair media, a stolen election, and other shit, and get disgusted enough with their own party leadership, maybe they'll do the same.*

* BTW, that IS why the dems finally started winning some elections.

381 Soona'  Sun, Aug 2, 2009 12:29:54am

re: #377 austin_blue

I think there is a tremendous amount of student activism out there. It has always been so. Should they be applying more time to their studies? Probably. But as has been said, "never let your college interfere with your education."

Does that lead to stupid extremism in some cases? You bet. But you know, you are only young once. And what would you rather have, kids pushing their convictions (even if misguided), in a peaceful, respectful way, (which is how it normally happens) or drunken frat boys?

I'll take the drunken sorority girls.

382 BARACK THE VOTE  Sun, Aug 2, 2009 12:31:25am

re: #375 pink freud

Complete misrepresentation of the post in question.

"...and they are us" is the pertinent phrase.

Indeed it is. 'they are us' means THEY'RE NOT MONSTERS, THEY ARE PEOPLE WHO WANT WHAT THEY THINK IS BEST FOR THE COUNTRY, JUST LIKE WE DO.

Really, you could not possibly have given me a better illustration of your mindset: in your head all liberals are evil and manipulative, and therefore anyone trying to tell other people on the left "lgf is us" MUST mean "hey! they're evil too!"

I'm a progressive. Telling other people on the left that they should read LGF because 'they are us' is a compliment, not a slur.

Nice to see how much you hate the other side though--and hate having other opinions here.

383 Racer X  Sun, Aug 2, 2009 12:32:11am

re: #380 iceweasel

Wait, you're telling me it's NOT a huge conspiracy?

;-)

384 austin_blue  Sun, Aug 2, 2009 12:32:49am

re: #381 Soona'

I'll take the drunken sorority girls.

Well there is that!

Mating call of the UT Coed? "I'm so wasted!!"

If I have offended anyone by this post, I heartily apologize.

385 RunningBare  Sun, Aug 2, 2009 12:33:02am

re: #380 iceweasel

The people on the left are doing it before work, after work, in between work, just like anyone else.

Maybe the meme is bullshit, just like every other stereotype (you'll have to excuse me, I get this way when I've been drinking) is normally mostly BS, but sometimes based on a small kernal of truth...

To which my point is, I dont' know how it is where YOU live, but here I can pick up any one of the weekly alternative papers (or even the major mainstream media daily papers) and find a dozen or so "Earn money doing what you love now! $$$ Activists needed!" ads in the Help Wanted section - and every. single. one. is for some "progressive" cause.

Someone is hiring activists, and paying them to do it.

(This isn't an attack, just FYI. Just something I've noticed.)

386 BARACK THE VOTE  Sun, Aug 2, 2009 12:33:18am

re: #383 Racer X

Wait, you're telling me it's NOT a huge conspiracy?

;-)

Damn!

Uh...yes. It's all a conspiracy. Soros funded everything. Don't tell!

387 pink freud  Sun, Aug 2, 2009 12:34:12am

re: #382 iceweasel

Indeed it is. 'they are us' means THEY'RE NOT MONSTERS, THEY ARE PEOPLE WHO WANT WHAT THEY THINK IS BEST FOR THE COUNTRY, JUST LIKE WE DO.

Really, you could not possibly have given me a better illustration of your mindset: in your head all liberals are evil and manipulative, and therefore anyone trying to tell other people on the left "lgf is us" MUST mean "hey! they're evil too!"

I'm a progressive. Telling other people on the left that they should read LGF because 'they are us' is a compliment, not a slur.

Nice to see how much you hate the other side though--and hate having other opinions here.

Free rent, eh?

388 Soona'  Sun, Aug 2, 2009 12:34:42am

re: #382 iceweasel

Indeed it is. 'they are us' means THEY'RE NOT MONSTERS, THEY ARE PEOPLE WHO WANT WHAT THEY THINK IS BEST FOR THE COUNTRY, JUST LIKE WE DO.

Really, you could not possibly have given me a better illustration of your mindset: in your head all liberals are evil and manipulative, and therefore anyone trying to tell other people on the left "lgf is us" MUST mean "hey! they're evil too!"

I'm a progressive. Telling other people on the left that they should read LGF because 'they are us' is a compliment, not a slur.

Nice to see how much you hate the other side though--and hate having other opinions here.

Progressive=liberal

389 Racer X  Sun, Aug 2, 2009 12:35:15am

re: #386 iceweasel

Damn!

Uh...yes. It's all a conspiracy. Soros funded everything. Don't tell!

See? You're coming around. You'll earn your neocon badge soon.

390 BatGuano  Sun, Aug 2, 2009 12:35:17am

re: #386 iceweasel

Hi Ice. Can't stay. Just dropped in to see how everyone is doing. I'm off!

391 pink freud  Sun, Aug 2, 2009 12:35:48am

re: #385 RunningBare

Maybe the meme is bullshit, just like every other stereotype (you'll have to excuse me, I get this way when I've been drinking) is normally mostly BS, but sometimes based on a small kernal of truth...

To which my point is, I dont' know how it is where YOU live, but here I can pick up any one of the weekly alternative papers (or even the major mainstream media daily papers) and find a dozen or so "Earn money doing what you love now! $$$ Activists needed!" ads in the Help Wanted section - and every. single. one. is for some "progressive" cause.

Someone is hiring activists, and paying them to do it.

(This isn't an attack, just FYI. Just something I've noticed.)

I see the same, Bare.

ACORN, anyone?

392 capitalist piglet  Sun, Aug 2, 2009 12:35:54am

I'd like to see the definition of "progressive". What are we "progressing" towards, anyway?

I think I know. I just want to be sure.

394 BARACK THE VOTE  Sun, Aug 2, 2009 12:36:41am

re: #385 RunningBare

Maybe the meme is bullshit, just like every other stereotype (you'll have to excuse me, I get this way when I've been drinking) is normally mostly BS, but sometimes based on a small kernal of truth...

To which my point is, I dont' know how it is where YOU live, but here I can pick up any one of the weekly alternative papers (or even the major mainstream media daily papers) and find a dozen or so "Earn money doing what you love now! $$$ Activists needed!" ads in the Help Wanted section - and every. single. one. is for some "progressive" cause.

Someone is hiring activists, and paying them to do it.

(This isn't an attack, just FYI. Just something I've noticed.)

Truthfully? I'd suggest calling those ads-- I think they're just like the net ads that say "Work from home! Make 5K a week as a housewife working part-time!"

They're geared to an internet and young pop, many of whom did work for Obama, and to all of whom "activist" sounds cool. they're probably ads for telemarketing shit or scams. Or for 'volunteering' like for greenpeace petitions-- that's been around forever.
(I promise you, if there were big jobs in progressive activism I'd know! ha)

395 Soona'  Sun, Aug 2, 2009 12:36:44am

re: #384 austin_blue

Well there is that!

Mating call of the UT Coed? "I'm so wasted!!"

If I have offended anyone by this post, I heartily apologize.

:D

396 BARACK THE VOTE  Sun, Aug 2, 2009 12:37:33am

re: #393 J.D.

Oh yes. Rasmussen. *cough*

397 RunningBare  Sun, Aug 2, 2009 12:37:45am

re: #391 pink freud

I see the same, Bare.

ACORN, anyone?

Yeah, but now ACORN (or whatever their NEW name is ROTFL) will be doing this with taxpayer money.

398 BARACK THE VOTE  Sun, Aug 2, 2009 12:38:41am

re: #387 pink freud

Free rent, eh?

Continuing the "librhuls don't work" meme? :)

399 Fenway_Nation  Sun, Aug 2, 2009 12:38:52am

re: #397 RunningBare

Didn't they Unionize and become the International Association of Community Organizers Local #743 or something?

400 Fenway_Nation  Sun, Aug 2, 2009 12:39:26am

And isn't an open overnight thread supposed to appear by now?

401 BARACK THE VOTE  Sun, Aug 2, 2009 12:39:55am

re: #390 BatGuano

Hi Ice. Can't stay. Just dropped in to see how everyone is doing. I'm off!

Have fun, Bat-Man. be well. :)

402 RunningBare  Sun, Aug 2, 2009 12:40:31am

re: #394 iceweasel

Truthfully? I'd suggest calling those ads-- I think they're just like the net ads that say "Work from home! Make 5K a week as a housewife working part-time!"

They're geared to an internet and young pop, many of whom did work for Obama, and to all of whom "activist" sounds cool. they're probably ads for telemarketing shit or scams. Or for 'volunteering' like for greenpeace petitions-- that's been around forever.
(I promise you, if there were big jobs in progressive activism I'd know! ha)

Yeah, teh greenpeace ones I remember. Not a big fan of theirs - But I hate them slightly less than the the racist indian-hating Paul Watson and his Sea Shitbirds group. I hate that guy like Happy Gilmore hates Bob Barker.

But these ads are for various things- ACORN, and othe community groups. Low-paying jobs, but they are paying part-time jobs for essentially "professional activists" - show up, get handed a sign, act liek Islamic RageBoy for a few hours, get back on the bus and head home, leaving all yoru garbage behind. ;)

403 Racer X  Sun, Aug 2, 2009 12:40:32am

OK, I have to admit. The left is kicking our ass. "Progressive" is a very attractive slogan, I mean, how could it be negative? The GOP is falling apart.

And yet Obama has been seriously dropping in the polls lately. Right near the same level as Bush. Liberals hated Bush six months in. Ouch. Thats gotta hurt just a little.

404 capitalist piglet  Sun, Aug 2, 2009 12:41:37am
405 pink freud  Sun, Aug 2, 2009 12:41:59am

re: #398 iceweasel

Continuing the "librhuls don't work" meme? :)

LOL

406 Soona'  Sun, Aug 2, 2009 12:42:17am

re: #399 Fenway_Nation

Didn't they Unionize and become the International Association of Community Organizers Local #743 or something?

No. They became the SYWWO. (Screw You We Won Organization)

407 RunningBare  Sun, Aug 2, 2009 12:42:17am

re: #399 Fenway_Nation

Didn't they Unionize and become the International Association of Community Organizers Local #743 or something?

That might be it. I remember seeing them once going out to a protest. Marching (yes, they were marching. It was silly in a Sandinista Labor Day Parade way) to the place they had picked out - a big sea of red moving towards us. I remember looking up and saying, "God? Can we borrow Moses for a few?"

408 capitalist piglet  Sun, Aug 2, 2009 12:43:08am

re: #403 Racer X

OK, I have to admit. The left is kicking our ass. "Progressive" is a very attractive slogan, I mean, how could it be negative? The GOP is falling apart.

And yet Obama has been seriously dropping in the polls lately. Right near the same level as Bush. Liberals hated Bush six months in. Ouch. Thats gotta hurt just a little.

He's tanking. He doesn't know how to be a president, and he's further left than voters realized in November. People are starting to pick up on that.

409 J.D.  Sun, Aug 2, 2009 12:43:45am

re: #396 iceweasel

Oh yes. Rasmussen. *cough*

O-K.
*cough*

410 Soona'  Sun, Aug 2, 2009 12:44:18am

re: #402 RunningBare

Yeah, teh greenpeace ones I remember. Not a big fan of theirs - But I hate them slightly less than the the racist indian-hating Paul Watson and his Sea Shitbirds group. I hate that guy like Happy Gilmore hates Bob Barker.

But these ads are for various things- ACORN, and othe community groups. Low-paying jobs, but they are paying part-time jobs for essentially "professional activists" - show up, get handed a sign, act liek Islamic RageBoy for a few hours, get back on the bus and head home, leaving all yoru garbage behind. ;)

Don't forget fainting in front of the cameras at zero rallies.

411 BARACK THE VOTE  Sun, Aug 2, 2009 12:44:39am

re: #403 Racer X

OK, I have to admit. The left is kicking our ass. "Progressive" is a very attractive slogan, I mean, how could it be negative? The GOP is falling apart.

And yet Obama has been seriously dropping in the polls lately. Right near the same level as Bush. Liberals hated Bush six months in. Ouch. Thats gotta hurt just a little.

The word 'progressive' for a US political movement has been around since the early 20th century.

progressive != liberal, btw. Many conservatives and libertarians consider themselves 'classical liberals', after all.

Obama will continue to drop somewhat, and will plummet depending on what happens with health care. (the only variable here is how slowly or quickly he drops, not whether he drops.)
(BTW, all you people hating on progressives-- that's where some of the best criticism of Obama is coming from)

412 capitalist piglet  Sun, Aug 2, 2009 12:44:51am

re: #407 RunningBare

That might be it. I remember seeing them once going out to a protest. Marching (yes, they were marching. It was silly in a Sandinista Labor Day Parade way) to the place they had picked out - a big sea of red moving towards us. I remember looking up and saying, "God? Can we borrow Moses for a few?"

Was that ACORN out there, when we went to see Bush in Medina? The police were so happy to see people with American flags...remember?

413 RunningBare  Sun, Aug 2, 2009 12:45:18am

re: #396 iceweasel

Oh yes. Rasmussen. *cough*

Bad cough. Rasmussen wont' work. Try Robitussen, instead.

No need to thank me. I'm a giver.

414 RunningBare  Sun, Aug 2, 2009 12:45:53am

re: #410 Soona'

Don't forget fainting in front of the cameras at zero rallies.

Hey, Obama is so fab, he's like the Fab Four all in one!

415 pink freud  Sun, Aug 2, 2009 12:46:06am

re: #408 capitalist piglet

Some aren't as clueless as some think.

416 BatGuano  Sun, Aug 2, 2009 12:46:19am

Siigning off. Good night all.

417 RunningBare  Sun, Aug 2, 2009 12:46:36am

re: #412 capitalist piglet

Was that ACORN out there, when we went to see Bush in Medina? The police were so happy to see people with American flags...remember?

Yeah, all those people in red? The big marching group? That was ACORN.

418 Racer X  Sun, Aug 2, 2009 12:47:51am
Obama's revealing body language (updated and expanded))


C'mon Obama. Gates is your friend. You let that mean racist policeman get all the props for helping him down the stairs?

Ah, I see how it is. Talk a lot about helping your friends and neighbors, then when it comes time to actually DO it, you turn your back so someone else has to step up. I see how this works.

419 pink freud  Sun, Aug 2, 2009 12:48:09am

re: #416 BatGuano

Good night Bat. Sleep well.

420 Soona'  Sun, Aug 2, 2009 12:48:38am

re: #411 iceweasel

The word 'progressive' for a US political movement has been around since the early 20th century.

progressive != liberal, btw. Many conservatives and libertarians consider themselves 'classical liberals', after all.

Obama will continue to drop somewhat, and will plummet depending on what happens with health care. (the only variable here is how slowly or quickly he drops, not whether he drops.)
(BTW, all you people hating on progressives-- that's where some of the best criticism of Obama is coming from)

Yeah. They're bitching because he's not communist enough.

421 capitalist piglet  Sun, Aug 2, 2009 12:48:43am

re: #417 RunningBare

Yeah, all those people in red? The big marching group? That was ACORN.

Probably some of the same people who registered Mickey Mouse and Donald Duck to vote in Washington state.

Bastards.

422 BARACK THE VOTE  Sun, Aug 2, 2009 12:48:54am

re: #402 RunningBare

Yeah, teh greenpeace ones I remember. Not a big fan of theirs - But I hate them slightly less than the the racist indian-hating Paul Watson and his Sea Shitbirds group. I hate that guy like Happy Gilmore hates Bob Barker.

But these ads are for various things- ACORN, and othe community groups. Low-paying jobs, but they are paying part-time jobs for essentially "professional activists" - show up, get handed a sign, act liek Islamic RageBoy for a few hours, get back on the bus and head home, leaving all yoru garbage behind. ;)

Sure about that? I ask because "teh left" isn't getting on buses or marching with signs right now.

They're doing what they always did in the case of greenpeace-- harassing passerby to sign petitions, cold calling, knocking on doors.
It's likely telemarketing for various opinion services, seriously. They'll couch it as "activism!" because that's a hot word right now-- but they've always hired college students for temp jobs, you know?

423 BARACK THE VOTE  Sun, Aug 2, 2009 12:49:42am

re: #420 Soona'

Yeah. They're bitching because he's not communist enough.

Bullshit. Sorry. Not happening.

424 RunningBare  Sun, Aug 2, 2009 12:50:21am

re: #418 Racer X

C'mon Obama. Gates is your friend. You let that mean racist policeman get all the props for helping him down the stairs?

I saw that pic, and I thought, "Damn! He arrested him AGAIN!"

425 austin_blue  Sun, Aug 2, 2009 12:51:05am

re: #382 iceweasel

Indeed it is. 'they are us' means THEY'RE NOT MONSTERS, THEY ARE PEOPLE WHO WANT WHAT THEY THINK IS BEST FOR THE COUNTRY, JUST LIKE WE DO.

Really, you could not possibly have given me a better illustration of your mindset: in your head all liberals are evil and manipulative, and therefore anyone trying to tell other people on the left "lgf is us" MUST mean "hey! they're evil too!"

I'm a progressive. Telling other people on the left that they should read LGF because 'they are us' is a compliment, not a slur.

Nice to see how much you hate the other side though--and hate having other opinions here.

I've been watching this smackdown tonight and will have to agree with Ice. Not because we think alike (I am sure there are some issues on which we would vehemently disagree) but because she has called Pink Freud out (great nic, by the way) on a fundamental accusation of bullying. I think she has a point.

If you disagree with another poster's *position on a specific issue*, by all means refute it with whatever viable facts you can muster. But if you are attacking them gratuitously, just because they're philosophy is "on the other side", then you have violated the spirit of this board. There are idiotarians on every side of every issue. Make your case honestly and without cherry picking. We should encourage *more* respectful conversation, not piling on to folks with well thought out arguments that disagree with the majority opinion of the board.

That being said, the minority members of this community, myself included, need to keep ourselves in check. We do ourselves no favors by twisting off when we receive gratuitous attacks. I did that a while back and when I read my posts the next morning, was mortified. I immediately apologized to the affected party and received a positive response.

Just my .02 on an early Sunday morning and with deepest respect for all of you.

426 Racer X  Sun, Aug 2, 2009 12:51:45am

So, Obama is successful at what so far?

427 RunningBare  Sun, Aug 2, 2009 12:51:58am

re: #422 iceweasel

Sure about that? I ask because "teh left" isn't getting on buses or marching with signs right now.

They're doing what they always did in the case of greenpeace-- harassing passerby to sign petitions, cold calling, knocking on doors.
It's likely telemarketing for various opinion services, seriously. They'll couch it as "activism!" because that's a hot word right now-- but they've always hired college students for temp jobs, you know?

You know, Obama will enjoy a honeymoon period with "teh left", but eventually, he's gonna be on the receiving end of endless Paper Mache Puppets like you wouldn't believe.

428 pink freud  Sun, Aug 2, 2009 12:52:04am
429 Racer X  Sun, Aug 2, 2009 12:52:19am

re: #424 RunningBare

I saw that pic, and I thought, "Damn! He arrested him AGAIN!"

You owe me some Windex.

430 RunningBare  Sun, Aug 2, 2009 12:53:31am

re: #421 capitalist piglet

Probably some of the same people who registered Mickey Mouse and Donald Duck to vote in Washington state.

Bastards.

Oh, you know it. Luckily, they registered enough fictinal characters to get Gregoire elected. Lucky us.

431 BARACK THE VOTE  Sun, Aug 2, 2009 12:53:35am

re: #428 pink freud


Video: MSNBC psychotic lesbian Rachel Maddow complains Obama cabinet not communist enough

The fact that you think ANY link calling Maddow, or anyone else, a "psychotic lesbian" is something worth posting says everything I need to know about you.

You're a bully, and a freak.
We're done.

432 J.D.  Sun, Aug 2, 2009 12:53:36am

re: #418 Racer X

C'mon Obama. Gates is your friend. You let that mean racist policeman get all the props for helping him down the stairs?

Ah, I see how it is. Talk a lot about helping your friends and neighbors, then when it comes time to actually DO it, you turn your back so someone else has to step up. I see how this works.

One can tell quite a lot about the character of each President from those pictures alone.

433 capitalist piglet  Sun, Aug 2, 2009 12:54:04am

re: #420 Soona'

Yeah. They're bitching because he's not communist enough.

That's the complaint I've seen on lefty blogs. He's not far left enough.

434 freetoken  Sun, Aug 2, 2009 12:54:36am

re: #425 austin_blue

We do ourselves no favors by twisting off...

435 Fenway_Nation  Sun, Aug 2, 2009 12:54:40am

re: #426 Racer X

Nationalizing banks and automakers...umm...speaking out on matters in which he's poorly informed...driving his teleprompter to commit suicide?

436 pink freud  Sun, Aug 2, 2009 12:54:58am

re: #431 iceweasel

The fact that you think ANY link calling Maddow, or anyone else, a "psychotic lesbian" is something worth posting says everything I need to know about you.

You're a bully, and a freak.
We're done.

Oh! Wait, don't go!

You forgot "We'll just have to agree to disagree!"

437 BARACK THE VOTE  Sun, Aug 2, 2009 12:55:41am

re: #427 RunningBare

You know, Obama will enjoy a honeymoon period with "teh left", but eventually, he's gonna be on the receiving end of endless Paper Mache Puppets like you wouldn't believe.

Of course he will. Partly because our MSM is more interested in vacuous crap and chasing any nebulous 'story' than in reporting.

They'll turn on Obama too. It's their nature.

438 BARACK THE VOTE  Sun, Aug 2, 2009 12:57:43am

re: #436 pink freud

Oh! Wait, don't go!

You forgot "We'll just have to agree to disagree!"

How's this working out for you? Being a bully?

439 RunningBare  Sun, Aug 2, 2009 12:58:29am

re: #437 iceweasel

Of course he will. Partly because our MSM is more interested in vacuous crap and chasing any nebulous 'story' than in reporting.

They'll turn on Obama too. It's their nature.

True. And there are certain liberal/progressive/leftist/rainbow-poopers (or whatever teh name du jour the folks on yoru side of the aisle prefer to be called nowadays) blogs that think Obama isn't moving leftward enough, and/or fast enough. They'll help.

440 Racer X  Sun, Aug 2, 2009 12:58:47am

Obama - six months in:

1. Offended the Queen of England .
2. Bowed to the King of Saudi Arabia .
3. Praised the Marxist Daniel Ortega.
4. Kissed Hugo Chavez on the cheek.
5. Endorsed the Socialist Evo Morales of Bolivia .
6. Announced we would meet with Iranians with no pre-conditions.
7. Gave away billions to AIG also without pre-conditions.
8. Expanded the bailouts.
9. Insulted everyone who has ever loved a Special Olympian.
10. Doubled our national debt..
11. Announced a termination of the space defense system the day after the North Koreans launched an ICBM.
12. Despite the urgings of his own CIA director and the prior 4 CIA directors, released information on intelligence gathering.
13. Accepted without public comment the fact that five of his cabinet members cheated on their taxes and two others withdrew after they couldn't take the heat.
14. Appointed a Homeland Security Chief who quickly identified as "dangers to the nation", groups including veterans of the military, and opponents to abortion on demand, and who ordered that the word "terrorism" no longer be used but instead referred to such acts as "man made disasters".
15. Circled the globe so he could openly apologize for America's greatness.
16. Told Mexicans the violence in their country was because of us.
17. Politicized the census by moving it into the White House from its Department of Commerce origins..
18. Appointed as Attorney General the man who orchestrated the forced removal and expulsion from America to Cuba of a nine-year old whose mother died trying to bring him to a life of freedom in the United States and approved the pardon of Marc Rich so Clinton could let the felon go free.
19. Salutes as heroes three Navy SEALS who took down three terrorists who threatened one American life and the next day announces members of the Bush administration will likely stand trial for "torturing" a terrorist, who had played a part in killing 3000 Americans, by pouring water up their nose.
20. Flew Air Force One over New York City causing panic at a cost of $400,000 to get a photo you can make with Photo Shop for less than a dollar.
21. Sent his National Defense Advisor to Europe to assure Europe that the US will no longer treat Israel in a special manner and they might be on their own with the Muslims
22.Began the process of nationalizing the Auto Industry and the Insurance industry.
23 Announced that for intent and purposes the Health Insurance Industry will be nationalized.
24 Sided with Hugo Chavez instead of the Rule of Law as Honduras legally deposed Zelaya and installed Roberto Micheletti as President. It must be noted that the army did so following a lawful order of the Honduras Supreme Court.
25 Called an entire police department "stupid" before bothering to gather the facts.

And finally

26 Travels around the globe apologizing FOR America, yet he cannot apologize to ONE American cop?

441 BARACK THE VOTE  Sun, Aug 2, 2009 12:58:58am

re: #425 austin_blue

Well said austin_blue. Good points. Thank you.

442 austin_blue  Sun, Aug 2, 2009 12:59:36am

re: #393 J.D.

May 4, 2007
Democrats in America are evenly divided on the question of whether George W. Bush knew about the 9/11 terrorist attacks in advance. Thirty-five percent (35%) of Democrats believe he did know, 39% say he did not know, and 26% are not sure. ...
I had forgotten how widespread this was back then. Hell, it probably still is.
Wow.

Okay. Here is the August 6th, 2001 memo that was given to GW. I don't know how the question was asked in that 2007 poll, but if you were the President, and you got his intel brief in August, '01, would you clear brush or order tightened security?

[Link: www.cnn.com...]

443 Fenway_Nation  Sun, Aug 2, 2009 12:59:50am

re: #437 iceweasel


Counting down the days on my calendar...since it's not like I'm working right now or anything.

It'll be interesting to see if and when that does happen who Gibbs will blame; maybe the utraconservative zealotry of John Stewart and the Daily Show...or infamous right-wing smearmongers Keith Olbermann.

444 Desert Dog  Sun, Aug 2, 2009 1:00:01am

re: #411 iceweasel

The word 'progressive' for a US political movement has been around since the early 20th century.

progressive != liberal, btw. Many conservatives and libertarians consider themselves 'classical liberals', after all.

Obama will continue to drop somewhat, and will plummet depending on what happens with health care. (the only variable here is how slowly or quickly he drops, not whether he drops.)
(BTW, all you people hating on progressives-- that's where some of the best criticism of Obama is coming from)

When I was earning my degree back in the 80's, I got into debates, arguments and virtual death matches with many classmates that seem to have very similar political leanings as you, Ice. They called themselves liberal. I called myself conservative. Then, something odd happened. The word "liberal" somehow got tainted. My guess is the extremists from the liberal movement made a bad name for the rest of them. Ronald Reagan also used the word as a insult and that seemed to get some traction as well. The first time I heard the world "progressive" in it's current incarnation was when Clinton got in. The people formerly known as liberals suddenly became "progressives". The ideas are the same, the goals and tactics are the same, and the two labels are indistinguishable as far as I am concerned.

Today's progressives bear no resemblance to the original progressives from the late 1800's and early 1900's.

445 Soona'  Sun, Aug 2, 2009 1:00:09am

re: #430 RunningBare

Oh, you know it. Luckily, they registered enough fictinal characters to get Gregoire elected. Lucky us.

Get used to it. As long as ACORN is in charge of the election process, we'll have lots of Gregoire's and non-funny comedians from Minnesota. Just think of what they'll do with the 2010 census.

446 BARACK THE VOTE  Sun, Aug 2, 2009 1:01:15am

re: #439 RunningBare

True. And there are certain liberal/progressive/leftist/rainbow-poopers (or whatever teh name du jour the folks on yoru side of the aisle prefer to be called nowadays) blogs that think Obama isn't moving leftward enough, and/or fast enough. They'll help.

Oh sure. But saying he's not left enough isn't the same thing as saying he isn't communist enough.

I'm sorry, but that's no better than people on the left saying that Republicans wanted McCain to be more fascist.

BTW, there are differences between liberals, progressives, and others on the left. I can't speak for the rainbow poopers; I haven't gotten my daily fax from them yet. :)

447 Soona'  Sun, Aug 2, 2009 1:01:46am

re: #438 iceweasel

How's this working out for you? Being a bully?

Don't worry, Pink. I've got your six.

448 capitalist piglet  Sun, Aug 2, 2009 1:02:22am

re: #447 Soona'

Don't worry, Pink. I've got your six.

I don't think Pink is worried. ; )

449 austin_blue  Sun, Aug 2, 2009 1:02:26am

re: #425 austin_blue

I've been watching this smackdown tonight and will have to agree with Ice. Not because we think alike (I am sure there are some issues on which we would vehemently disagree) but because she has called Pink Freud out (great nic, by the way) on a fundamental accusation of bullying. I think she has a point.

If you disagree with another poster's *position on a specific issue*, by all means refute it with whatever viable facts you can muster. But if you are attacking them gratuitously, just because they're philosophy is "on the other side", then you have violated the spirit of this board. There are idiotarians on every side of every issue. Make your case honestly and without cherry picking. We should encourage *more* respectful conversation, not piling on to folks with well thought out arguments that disagree with the majority opinion of the board.

That being said, the minority members of this community, myself included, need to keep ourselves in check. We do ourselves no favors by twisting off when we receive gratuitous attacks. I did that a while back and when I read my posts the next morning, was mortified. I immediately apologized to the affected party and received a positive response.

Just my .02 on an early Sunday morning and with deepest respect for all of you.

Sweet baby jeebuz, did I put a they're in there for a their? I am mortified. Just shoot me now.

450 RunningBare  Sun, Aug 2, 2009 1:02:32am

re: #436 pink freud

Oh! Wait, don't go!

You forgot "We'll just have to agree to disagree!"

I updinged this like I promised. So... this means you're not gonna hit me now, right? You said...

451 Fenway_Nation  Sun, Aug 2, 2009 1:02:40am

re: #440 Racer X

Is that all? What a wild and crazy 6 months it's been...

Don't forget the DVD set given to Gordon Brown!

452 pink freud  Sun, Aug 2, 2009 1:03:17am

re: #433 capitalist piglet

That's the complaint I've seen on lefty blogs. He's not far left enough.

Yes, so have I, CP. Not just lately, either, but all the way back to where he hung the gay population out to dry, after all the support they gave him.

453 Racer X  Sun, Aug 2, 2009 1:03:59am

Is there a list of Obama's accomplishments somewhere? I'd like to compare. Side by side.

It took him six months to pick out a dog! He wants to shove healthcare up our ass?

454 Fenway_Nation  Sun, Aug 2, 2009 1:04:44am

re: #453 Racer X

Has he found another church yet? Doesn't Rev. Wright's church have a branch in DC?

455 pink freud  Sun, Aug 2, 2009 1:05:18am

re: #440 Racer X

I hereby dub you Teh Keeper of the List! :-)

456 RunningBare  Sun, Aug 2, 2009 1:06:14am

re: #446 iceweasel

Oh sure. But saying he's not left enough isn't the same thing as saying he isn't communist enough.


Sorry, I was being polite and avoided using the word "communist"... mostly because that wasn't the word used - usually it was "marxist". Sorry for teh confusion.


BTW, there are differences between liberals, progressives

Ummm... Not really. Same product, prettier packaging.

457 Desert Dog  Sun, Aug 2, 2009 1:06:17am

re: #453 Racer X

Is there a list of Obama's accomplishments somewhere? I'd like to compare. Side by side.

It took him six months to pick out a dog! He wants to shove healthcare up our ass?

He broke the all time deficit record in less than six months. That is quite impressive. Especially since he spent his entire campaign hitting Bush about his spending.

458 pink freud  Sun, Aug 2, 2009 1:06:19am

re: #444 Desert Dog

Good points, DD.

459 BARACK THE VOTE  Sun, Aug 2, 2009 1:06:27am

re: #444 Desert Dog

When I was earning my degree back in the 80's, I got into debates, arguments and virtual death matches with many classmates that seem to have very similar political leanings as you, Ice. They called themselves liberal. I called myself conservative. Then, something odd happened. The word "liberal" somehow got tainted. My guess is the extremists from the liberal movement made a bad name for the rest of them. Ronald Reagan also used the word as a insult and that seemed to get some traction as well.
.

the word 'liberal' got tainted fatally during dukakis' failed run, IMO. And it was indeed used as an insult and a slur for many years.

As to my actual political leanings-- you don't even know them. A lot of people here assume they 'know' what I think on issues. They're often wrong, or surprised.

For example, I'm not a Democrat. :)

460 Racer X  Sun, Aug 2, 2009 1:06:36am

re: #455 pink freud

I hereby dub you Teh Keeper of the List! :-)

We're gonna need a larger quote box.

461 J.D.  Sun, Aug 2, 2009 1:07:04am

re: #442 austin_blue

Okay. Here is the August 6th, 2001 memo that was given to GW. I don't know how the question was asked in that 2007 poll, but if you were the President, and you got his intel brief in August, '01, would you clear brush or order tightened security?

[Link: www.cnn.com...]

We had this discussion ad nauseum here in years gone by.
Go read the archives to find out what I think in excruciating detail.

462 capitalist piglet  Sun, Aug 2, 2009 1:07:13am

re: #453 Racer X

Is there a list of Obama's accomplishments somewhere? I'd like to compare. Side by side.

It took him six months to pick out a dog! He wants to shove healthcare up our ass?

Here's the really rotten thing, to me.

Senior citizens show up at Democrat Diane Feinstein's office, and want to talk to her about health care. They're scared. They want answers. They need them. She won't talk to them...they end up escorted from outside her office by police. Senior citizens.

Somebody needs to explain that shit.

463 solomonpanting  Sun, Aug 2, 2009 1:07:23am

re: #453 Racer X

He wants to shove healthcare up our ass?

"Know Thy Enema"

464 pink freud  Sun, Aug 2, 2009 1:07:28am

re: #447 Soona'

Don't worry, Pink. I've got your six.

I appreciate it, Soona. The sentiment is mutual.

465 Racer X  Sun, Aug 2, 2009 1:07:59am

re: #462 capitalist piglet

Here's the really rotten thing, to me.

Senior citizens show up at Democrat Diane Feinstein's office, and want to talk to her about health care. They're scared. They want answers. They need them. She won't talk to them...they end up escorted from outside her office by police. Senior citizens.

Somebody needs to explain that shit.

Thats a different list.

;-)

466 RunningBare  Sun, Aug 2, 2009 1:08:19am

re: #453 Racer X

Is there a list of Obama's accomplishments somewhere? I'd like to compare. Side by side.

It took him six months to pick out a dog! He wants to shove healthcare up our ass?


*Running Bare makes a note to get a 'Exit Only' street sign tattoo right above his ass*

467 freetoken  Sun, Aug 2, 2009 1:08:24am

re: #440 Racer X

Obama - six months in:

2. Bowed to the King of Saudi Arabia .

... sigh...


14. Appointed a Homeland Security Chief who quickly identified as "dangers to the nation", groups including veterans of the military, and opponents to abortion on demand, and who ordered that the word "terrorism" no longer be used but instead referred to such acts as "man made disasters".


... double sigh...

468 Soona'  Sun, Aug 2, 2009 1:08:33am

re: #440 Racer X

Obama - six months in:

1. Offended the Queen of England .
2. Bowed to the King of Saudi Arabia .
3. Praised the Marxist Daniel Ortega.
4. Kissed Hugo Chavez on the cheek.
5. Endorsed the Socialist Evo Morales of Bolivia .
6. Announced we would meet with Iranians with no pre-conditions.
7. Gave away billions to AIG also without pre-conditions.
8. Expanded the bailouts.
9. Insulted everyone who has ever loved a Special Olympian.
10. Doubled our national debt..
11. Announced a termination of the space defense system the day after the North Koreans launched an ICBM.
12. Despite the urgings of his own CIA director and the prior 4 CIA directors, released information on intelligence gathering.
13. Accepted without public comment the fact that five of his cabinet members cheated on their taxes and two others withdrew after they couldn't take the heat.
14. Appointed a Homeland Security Chief who quickly identified as "dangers to the nation", groups including veterans of the military, and opponents to abortion on demand, and who ordered that the word "terrorism" no longer be used but instead referred to such acts as "man made disasters".
15. Circled the globe so he could openly apologize for America's greatness.
16. Told Mexicans the violence in their country was because of us.
17. Politicized the census by moving it into the White House from its Department of Commerce origins..
18. Appointed as Attorney General the man who orchestrated the forced removal and expulsion from America to Cuba of a nine-year old whose mother died trying to bring him to a life of freedom in the United States and approved the pardon of Marc Rich so Clinton could let the felon go free.
19. Salutes as heroes three Navy SEALS who took down three terrorists who threatened one American life and the next day announces members of the Bush administration will likely stand trial for "torturing" a terrorist, who had played a part in killing 3000 Americans, by pouring water up their nose.
20. Flew Air Force One over New York City causing panic at a cost of $400,000 to get a photo you can make with Photo Shop for less than a dollar.
21. Sent his National Defense Advisor to Europe to assure Europe that the US will no longer treat Israel in a special manner and they might be on their own with the Muslims
22.Began the process of nationalizing the Auto Industry and the Insurance industry.
23 Announced that for intent and purposes the Health Insurance Industry will be nationalized.
24 Sided with Hugo Chavez instead of the Rule of Law as Honduras legally deposed Zelaya and installed Roberto Micheletti as President. It must be noted that the army did so following a lawful order of the Honduras Supreme Court.
25 Called an entire police department "stupid" before bothering to gather the facts.

And finally

26 Travels around the globe apologizing FOR America, yet he cannot apologize to ONE American cop?

A definite up-ding!

469 pink freud  Sun, Aug 2, 2009 1:09:00am

re: #450 RunningBare

I updinged this like I promised. So... this means you're not gonna hit me now, right? You said...

Ok, if you insist. ;-)

470 Fenway_Nation  Sun, Aug 2, 2009 1:10:01am

re: #467 freetoken

26 X *sigh*...

471 Soona'  Sun, Aug 2, 2009 1:10:12am

re: #449 austin_blue

Sweet baby jeebuz, did I put a they're in there for a their? I am mortified. Just shoot me now.

Can't. The TSA took away my red plastic pistol.

472 Racer X  Sun, Aug 2, 2009 1:10:26am

Look, I'm not trying to offend our progressive friends. They bring quite a bit to the discussion, and honestly keep some of us from going batshit insane drinking the RP Koolaid.

But seriously, at what point do you admit - oops, this may not work out like we hoped?

473 BARACK THE VOTE  Sun, Aug 2, 2009 1:10:33am

re: #449 austin_blue

Sweet baby jeebuz, did I put a they're in there for a their? I am mortified. Just shoot me now.

It gave me a chance to upding you again!

Good points, really. When one is in the minority here, there's a greater burden to be tolerant, careful, respectful, polite. I certainly don't always measure up to that. But there it is.

474 Desert Dog  Sun, Aug 2, 2009 1:11:33am

re: #459 iceweasel

the word 'liberal' got tainted fatally during dukakis' failed run, IMO. And it was indeed used as an insult and a slur for many years.

As to my actual political leanings-- you don't even know them. A lot of people here assume they 'know' what I think on issues. They're often wrong, or surprised.

For example, I'm not a Democrat. :)

Well, you are correct there Ice, I can only assume your political orientation based on what you post here. So far, I can safely say you are squarely on the left on most issues. You have inferred you are a Progressive. So, I just wanted you to know how I feel about that label. It is not fair to pigeon hole, so I will resist that urge.

But, I like your honesty, even if I disagree with you. So, keep telling us what you think about things, and we will tell you back.

475 Racer X  Sun, Aug 2, 2009 1:11:34am

re: #467 freetoken

... double sigh...

OK.

We can scratch those two off the list. I'm OK with that.

476 pink freud  Sun, Aug 2, 2009 1:12:01am

re: #453 Racer X

Is there a list of Obama's accomplishments somewhere? I'd like to compare. Side by side.

Found it!

477 RunningBare  Sun, Aug 2, 2009 1:12:59am

I like the word "Taint". It's a funny word.

478 BARACK THE VOTE  Sun, Aug 2, 2009 1:13:20am

re: #472 Racer X

Look, I'm not trying to offend our progressive friends. They bring quite a bit to the discussion, and honestly keep some of us from going batshit insane drinking the RP Koolaid.

But seriously, at what point do you admit - oops, this may not work out like we hoped?

There are many criticisms of Obama from the left.

1. Civil liberties.
2. DOMA/DADT: gay rights
3. Cap & Trade
4. Health care
5-- ad infiniteum. (sp)

Jesus. Tons. What do you want?

479 pink freud  Sun, Aug 2, 2009 1:13:28am

re: #462 capitalist piglet

Here's the really rotten thing, to me.

Senior citizens show up at Democrat Diane Feinstein's office, and want to talk to her about health care. They're scared. They want answers. They need them. She won't talk to them...they end up escorted from outside her office by police. Senior citizens.

Somebody needs to explain that shit.

She won.

480 BARACK THE VOTE  Sun, Aug 2, 2009 1:15:03am

re: #474 Desert Dog

Well, you are correct there Ice, I can only assume your political orientation based on what you post here. So far, I can safely say you are squarely on the left on most issues. You have inferred you are a Progressive. So, I just wanted you to know how I feel about that label. It is not fair to pigeon hole, so I will resist that urge.

But, I like your honesty, even if I disagree with you. So, keep telling us what you think about things, and we will tell you back.

Thanks.

No quarrel with that, and if I wanted an echo chamber I have plenty to pick from.

I will continue to object to bullying and call bullies out, and I'm not going anywhere.

481 Racer X  Sun, Aug 2, 2009 1:15:05am

I gotta go - this earache is killing me.

Nite everyone!

482 austin_blue  Sun, Aug 2, 2009 1:15:13am

re: #452 pink freud

Yes, so have I, CP. Not just lately, either, but all the way back to where he hung the gay population out to dry, after all the support they gave him.

Please respond to my 425, my man. We really need to hash this out. There is *way* too much drama on this board.

483 Desert Dog  Sun, Aug 2, 2009 1:15:30am

wow, it's really 115am here? Time for bed...have fun y'all and play nice.

484 Fenway_Nation  Sun, Aug 2, 2009 1:16:09am

Did the Big 0we's proposal to make wounded vets pay for their service-related disabilities out of pocket w/private insurance make the list of the president's accomplishments?

Even if he backed away from that one, it's still awfully hard for even the staunchest 0bamanaut for mitigate that...

485 BARACK THE VOTE  Sun, Aug 2, 2009 1:16:12am

re: #482 austin_blue

Please respond to my 425, my man. We really need to hash this out. There is *way* too much drama on this board.

Seriously. Way too much and it destroys discourse. Not cool.

A microcosm of what's wrong with the US debate as a whole, to be honest.

486 RunningBare  Sun, Aug 2, 2009 1:16:16am

re: #481 Racer X

I gotta go - this earache is killing me.

Nite everyone!


Earache? EARACHE MY EYE!


Nite!

487 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Aug 2, 2009 1:16:38am

re: #427 RunningBare

You know, Obama will enjoy a honeymoon period with "teh left", but eventually, he's gonna be on the receiving end of endless Paper Mache Puppets like you wouldn't believe.

The puppets are already out there, believe you me.

488 pink freud  Sun, Aug 2, 2009 1:16:51am

re: #481 Racer X

I gotta go - this earache is killing me.

Nite everyone!

Goodnight Racer!

489 capitalist piglet  Sun, Aug 2, 2009 1:19:09am

re: #479 pink freud

She won.

Yes, she did, and she will again, most likely. Because people - and I'm not just talking politicians - that are hell bent on pushing this bill don't really give a rat's ass about seniors, it would seem.

"Thank you for your vote. Now STFU."

490 pink freud  Sun, Aug 2, 2009 1:20:33am

re: #489 capitalist piglet

Yes, she did, and she will again, most likely. Because people - and I'm not just talking politicians - that are hell bent on pushing this bill don't really give a rat's ass about seniors, it would seem.

"Thank you for your vote. Now STFU."

"...consuming valuable resources better spent on the young" blah blah blah

491 Soona'  Sun, Aug 2, 2009 1:22:17am

re: #478 iceweasel

There are many criticisms of Obama from the left.

1. Civil liberties.
2. DOMA/DADT: gay rights
3. Cap & Trade
4. Health care
5-- ad infiniteum. (sp)

Jesus. Tons. What do you want?

Criticisms from the left. Okay:

1. Civil liberties---we still have way too many.
2. Gay rights---there's still heteros out there.
3. Cap & Tax---doesn't go far enough.
4. National Healthcare---kill everyone over fifty.
5. Ad infinitem---bow down to the O. He won.

492 RunningBare  Sun, Aug 2, 2009 1:25:25am

[Link: www.worklessparty.org...]

Awesome. I may move to canada. ;)

493 austin_blue  Sun, Aug 2, 2009 1:27:41am

re: #488 pink freud

Goodnight Racer!

494 austin_blue  Sun, Aug 2, 2009 1:28:35am

re: #490 pink freud

"...consuming valuable resources better spent on the young" blah blah blah

Crickets?

495 capitalist piglet  Sun, Aug 2, 2009 1:28:44am

re: #492 RunningBare

[Link: www.worklessparty.org...]

Awesome. I may move to canada. ;)

I know almost nothing about Canadian politics - what are the equivalents of Republicans and Democrats there?

*cough*

P.S. You aren't moving to Canada. They won't take you...you're Mohawk, and that spells T-R-O-U-B-L-E up there. ; )

496 BARACK THE VOTE  Sun, Aug 2, 2009 1:28:51am

re: #491 Soona'

Criticisms from the left. Okay:

1. Civil liberties---we still have way too many.
2. Gay rights---there's still heteros out there.
3. Cap & Tax---doesn't go far enough.
4. National Healthcare---kill everyone over fifty.
5. Ad infinitem---bow down to the O. He won.

Yeah, that's right. We're all DFH's and when we're not smoking pot, hating America, and bowing five times a day towards DC we're performing gay marriages, having abortions, and euthanising the elderly.

We'd do them all at once, but the pot has wrecked our ability to multi-task. It's a short-term memory thing. I can't hate America AND remember where my bong is all at the same time.

497 RunningBare  Sun, Aug 2, 2009 1:30:29am

re: #495 capitalist piglet

I know almost nothing about Canadian politics - what are the equivalents of Republicans and Democrats there?

*cough*

P.S. You aren't moving to Canada. They won't take you...you're Mohawk, and that spells T-R-O-U-B-L-E up there. ; )


Here's the parties at the federal level:

[Link: www.altstuff.com...]

There are also parties that are specific to different provinces.

And yeah, I can't even visit there without getting a ration of shit... and a car taken apart. Grrr...

498 RunningBare  Sun, Aug 2, 2009 1:31:18am

re: #496 iceweasel

Yeah, that's right. We're all DFH's and when we're not smoking pot, hating America, and bowing five times a day towards DC we're performing gay marriages, having abortions, and euthanising the elderly.

We'd do them all at once, but the pot has wrecked our ability to multi-task. It's a short-term memory thing. I can't hate America AND remember where my bong is all at the same time.


It's about fucking time.

499 austin_blue  Sun, Aug 2, 2009 1:32:28am

re: #491 Soona'

Criticisms from the left. Okay:

1. Civil liberties---we still have way too many.
2. Gay rights---there's still heteros out there.
3. Cap & Tax---doesn't go far enough.
4. National Healthcare---kill everyone over fifty.
5. Ad infinitem---bow down to the O. He won.

Poifect example! Pick two fingers!

Hyperbole (pronounced /haɪˈpɜrbəliː/ hye-PER-bə-lee[1], from ancient Greek "ὑπερβολή", meaning excess or exaggeration) is a figure of speech in which statements are exaggerated. It may be used to evoke strong feelings or to create a strong impression, but is rarely meant to be taken literally.

I hope you are good with that.

;-)

500 BARACK THE VOTE  Sun, Aug 2, 2009 1:32:48am

re: #498 RunningBare

It's about fucking time.

Don't worry. I have my ACORN proxies standing by to hate America FOR me while I look for the bong. Soros is paying us, of course.

///

501 austin_blue  Sun, Aug 2, 2009 1:34:25am

re: #488 pink freud

Goodnight Racer!

Still waiting.

502 RunningBare  Sun, Aug 2, 2009 1:35:57am

re: #499 austin_blue

Poifect example! Pick two fingers!

Hyperbole (pronounced /haɪˈpɜrbəliː/ hye-PER-bə-lee[1], from ancient Greek "ὑπερβο λή", meaning excess or exaggeration) is a figure of speech in which statements are exaggerated. It may be used to evoke strong feelings or to create a strong impression, but is rarely meant to be taken literally.

I hope you are good with that.

;-)

That's what I regret most now that Obama has won. It was so nice politically for 8 some-odd years - like we had conquered the partisan divide, and reached out to each other with understanding and grace. But after Bushitler left office, suddenly it's all mean. That gives me teh sadz.

503 Soona'  Sun, Aug 2, 2009 1:36:09am

re: #496 iceweasel

Yeah, that's right. We're all DFH's and when we're not smoking pot, hating America, and bowing five times a day towards DC we're performing gay marriages, having abortions, and euthanising the elderly.

We'd do them all at once, but the pot has wrecked our ability to multi-task. It's a short-term memory thing. I can't hate America AND remember where my bong is all at the same time.

You have to admit. When the leftists criticize the O, it's because he's not going far enough with his agenda.

504 capitalist piglet  Sun, Aug 2, 2009 1:38:27am

Rules for Radicals:

RULE 5: "Ridicule is man's most potent weapon." There is no defense. It's irrational. It's infuriating. It also works as a key pressure point to force the enemy into concessions.

505 J.D.  Sun, Aug 2, 2009 1:40:06am
506 Soona'  Sun, Aug 2, 2009 1:40:50am

re: #504 capitalist piglet

Rules for Radicals:

RULE 5: "Ridicule is man's most potent weapon." There is no defense. It's irrational. It's infuriating. It also works as a key pressure point to force the enemy into concessions.

Heh heh.

507 BARACK THE VOTE  Sun, Aug 2, 2009 1:44:57am

re: #501 austin_blue

Still waiting.

You'll never get an answer. I was utterly serious when I said there was a history with this person. This person is a bully. This person has repeatedly tried to run off other posters it doesn't agree with. I caught this person very early on trying to stir up rumours and lies and whip up a witch hunt about me and another poster:

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

This is but one example. There are many.

508 austin_blue  Sun, Aug 2, 2009 1:45:08am

re: #502 RunningBare

That's what I regret most now that Obama has won. It was so nice politically for 8 some-odd years - like we had conquered the partisan divide, and reached out to each other with understanding and grace. But after Bushitler left office, suddenly it's all mean. That gives me teh sadz.

Sweet! That's funny.

509 solomonpanting  Sun, Aug 2, 2009 1:45:28am

re: #503 Soona'

You have to admit. When the leftists criticize the O, it's because he's not going far enough with his agenda.

Not unlike

Love Me, I'm a Liberal
Phil Ochs

I cried when they shot Medgar Evers
Tears ran down my spine
I cried when they shot Mr. Kennedy
As though I'd lost a father of mine
But Malcolm X got what was coming
He got what he asked for this time
So love me, love me, love me, I'm a liberal

I go to civil rights rallies
And I put down the old D.A.R.
I love Harry and Sidney and Sammy
I hope every colored boy becomes a star
But don't talk about revolution
That's going a little bit too far
So love me, love me, love me, I'm a liberal

I cheered when Humphrey was chosen
My faith in the system restored
I'm glad the commies were thrown out
of the A.F.L. C.I.O. board
I love Puerto Ricans and Negros
as long as they don't move next door
So love me, love me, love me, I'm a liberal

The people of old Mississippi
Should all hang their heads in shame
I can't understand how their minds work
What's the matter don't they watch Les Crain?
But if you ask me to bus my children
I hope the cops take down your name
So love me, love me, love me, I'm a liberal

I read New republic and Nation
I've learned to take every view
You know, I've memorized Lerner and Golden
I feel like I'm almost a Jew
But when it comes to times like Korea
There's no one more red, white and blue
So love me, love me, love me, I'm a liberal

I vote for the democratic party
They want the U.N. to be strong
I go to all the Pete Seeger concerts
He sure gets me singing those songs
I'll send all the money you ask for
But don't ask me to come on along
So love me, love me, love me, I'm a liberal

Once I was young and impulsive
I wore every conceivable pin
Even went to the socialist meetings
Learned all the old union hymns
But I've grown older and wiser
And that's why I'm turning you in
So love me, love me, love me, I'm a liberal

510 pink freud  Sun, Aug 2, 2009 1:45:49am

re: #504 capitalist piglet

Rules for Radicals:

RULE 5: "Ridicule is man's most potent weapon." There is no defense. It's irrational. It's infuriating. It also works as a key pressure point to force the enemy into concessions.

RULE 12: Pick the target, freeze it, personalize it, and polarize it." Cut off the support network and isolate the target from sympathy. Go after people and not institutions; people hurt faster than institutions.

511 BARACK THE VOTE  Sun, Aug 2, 2009 1:47:38am

re: #504 capitalist piglet

Rules for Radicals:

RULE 5: "Ridicule is man's most potent weapon." There is no defense. It's irrational. It's infuriating. It also works as a key pressure point to force the enemy into concessions.

Indeed. It's one reason why the left owns the internet. :)

512 austin_blue  Sun, Aug 2, 2009 1:48:27am

re: #510 pink freud

RULE 12: Pick the target, freeze it, personalize it, and polarize it." Cut off the support network and isolate the target from sympathy. Go after people and not institutions; people hurt faster than institutions.

Still waiting.

513 capitalist piglet  Sun, Aug 2, 2009 1:48:40am

re: #511 iceweasel

Indeed. It's one reason why the left owns the internet. :)

RULE 1: "Power is not only what you have, but what the enemy thinks you have." Power is derived from 2 main sources - money and people. "Have-Nots" must build power from flesh and blood.

514 BARACK THE VOTE  Sun, Aug 2, 2009 1:49:55am

re: #512 austin_blue

Still waiting.

ha! But you just got your answer!

re: #510 pink freud

RULE 12: Pick the target, freeze it, personalize it, and polarize it." Cut off the support network and isolate the target from sympathy. Go after people and not institutions; people hurt faster than institutions.

Indeed.

515 austin_blue  Sun, Aug 2, 2009 1:52:26am

re: #510 pink freud

RULE 12: Pick the target, freeze it, personalize it, and polarize it." Cut off the support network and isolate the target from sympathy. Go after people and not institutions; people hurt faster than institutions.

Are you going to man up or not?

My 425 is hanging out there, waiting...

I hate to use terms like this, but I really want to know what you think!

516 BARACK THE VOTE  Sun, Aug 2, 2009 1:54:04am

re: #513 capitalist piglet

RULE 1: "Power is not only what you have, but what the enemy thinks you have." Power is derived from 2 main sources - money and people. "Have-Nots" must build power from flesh and blood.

I think it would be fabulously instructive if all of alinsky's rules for radicals were posted here.

517 pink freud  Sun, Aug 2, 2009 1:54:51am

re: #515 austin_blue

Are you going to man up or not?

My 425 is hanging out there, waiting...

I hate to use terms like this, but I really want to know what you think!

Stop being a bully, austin blue. You do not set the terms for discourse around here, nor do I. I choose who I respond to, as do you. Grow up.

518 BARACK THE VOTE  Sun, Aug 2, 2009 1:56:20am

re: #517 pink freud

Stop being a bully, austin blue. You do not set the terms for discourse around here, nor do I. I choose who I respond to, as do you. Grow up.

You're the bully, and you're crying now because you've been called out for it.

Austin blue asked you legitimate questions in a VERY respectful way. Why won't you answer?

519 Soona'  Sun, Aug 2, 2009 1:59:41am

re: #517 pink freud

Stop being a bully, austin blue. You do not set the terms for discourse around here, nor do I. I choose who I respond to, as do you. Grow up.

They're just pissed because Alinsky's rules can work both ways.

520 littleoldlady  Sun, Aug 2, 2009 2:00:12am

Good morning, afternoon, evening *everyone*!™

Fruitcup is on the buffet → → → → →
Help yourselves!

521 BARACK THE VOTE  Sun, Aug 2, 2009 2:00:25am

re: #519 Soona'

They're just pissed because Alinsky's rules can work both ways.

Post them. They're wonderfully instructive!

522 Fenway_Nation  Sun, Aug 2, 2009 2:00:58am

Good afternoon, good morning and good evening-
Fruitcup is now on the buffet --->

/If not me, then who?

523 austin_blue  Sun, Aug 2, 2009 2:01:08am

re: #517 pink freud

Stop being a bully, austin blue. You do not set the terms for discourse around here, nor do I. I choose who I respond to, as do you. Grow up.

No, sir, that doesn't work. You are not the victim here. Please answer my 425.

524 pink freud  Sun, Aug 2, 2009 2:01:19am

re: #519 Soona'

They're just pissed because Alinsky's rules can work both ways.

Instruction works both ways, even if unintended.

525 BARACK THE VOTE  Sun, Aug 2, 2009 2:02:00am

re: #524 pink freud

Instruction works both ways, even if unintended.

You bet it does.

526 pink freud  Sun, Aug 2, 2009 2:02:05am

re: #520 littleoldlady

Good morning, afternoon, evening *everyone*!™

Fruitcup is on the buffet → → → → →
Help yourselves!

Good morning littleoldlady! I've missed you!

How the heck have you you been?

527 littleoldlady  Sun, Aug 2, 2009 2:02:34am

re: #522 Fenway_Nation

I AM STANDING UP!

528 capitalist piglet  Sun, Aug 2, 2009 2:02:44am

re: #507 iceweasel

You'll never get an answer. I was utterly serious when I said there was a history with this person. This person is a bully. This person has repeatedly tried to run off other posters it doesn't agree with. I caught this person very early on trying to stir up rumours and lies and whip up a witch hunt about me and another poster:

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

This is but one example. There are many.

I'm really trying not to involve myself in this, but I have to say: I haven't been around as long as a lot of other people, but I've never seen Pink Freud try to run anyone off, whether she agrees with them or not.

I don't even know how one would do that here.

She has a good reputation, and she didn't get it by trying to hound others off of LGF.

In any case, even if that were her goal, it isn't working - you've only been here a little over a couple of months, and you already have more posts to your credit than I do, and I've been here two and-a-half years.

So it doesn't seem to me you are being stifled from sharing your opinion in any way. You are just being opposed - and maybe you're not accustomed to that, but that goes with the territory here. We are all opposed at one time or another. I have been at the bottom of a dogpile a time or two myself.

Just my two cents.

529 BARACK THE VOTE  Sun, Aug 2, 2009 2:03:04am

re: #520 littleoldlady

Good morning littleoldlady. I hope you and talloldman are doing very well today.

530 littleoldlady  Sun, Aug 2, 2009 2:03:10am

pink! :-)

531 pink freud  Sun, Aug 2, 2009 2:04:06am

re: #527 littleoldlady

I AM STANDING UP!

So *you* say! ;-)

532 King of the Douche, now you may bow  Sun, Aug 2, 2009 2:04:10am

re: #522 Fenway_Nation

Good afternoon, good morning and good evening-
Fruitcup is now on the buffet --->

/If not me, then who?


LoL beat you by 46 seconds. Dude, you better be extra nice to her:)

533 pink freud  Sun, Aug 2, 2009 2:06:04am

re: #528 capitalist piglet

I'm really trying not to involve myself in this, but I have to say: I haven't been around as long as a lot of other people, but I've never seen Pink Freud try to run anyone off, whether she agrees with them or not.

I don't even know how one would do that here.

She has a good reputation, and she didn't get it by trying to hound others off of LGF.

In any case, even if that were her goal, it isn't working - you've only been here a little over a couple of months, and you already have more posts to your credit than I do, and I've been here two and-a-half years.

So it doesn't seem to me you are being stifled from sharing your opinion in any way. You are just being opposed - and maybe you're not accustomed to that, but that goes with the territory here. We are all opposed at one time or another. I have been at the bottom of a dogpile a time or two myself.

Just my two cents.

I am humbled by your support and kind and fair words, CP. Thank you for standing for me.

534 BARACK THE VOTE  Sun, Aug 2, 2009 2:07:28am

re: #528 capitalist piglet

I'm really trying not to involve myself in this, but I have to say: I haven't been around as long as a lot of other people, but I've never seen Pink Freud try to run anyone off, whether she agrees with them or not.

I don't even know how one would do that here.

She has a good reputation, and she didn't get it by trying to hound others off of LGF.

In any case, even if that were her goal, it isn't working - you've only been here a little over a couple of months, and you already have more posts to your credit than I do, and I've been here two and-a-half years.

So it doesn't seem to me you are being stifled from sharing your opinion in any way. You are just being opposed - and maybe you're not accustomed to that, but that goes with the territory here. We are all opposed at one time or another. I have been at the bottom of a dogpile a time or two myself.

Just my two cents.


I have no quarrel with you.

There is a specific problem with this poster, and it's not restricted to me. And there's a shitload of evidence to support it.

And you're right, I'm not being stifled-- I'm here. And this person's opposition isn't working-- I'm not isolated.

So I wonder, why is this person freaking out and calling austin_blue a bully, when he wants to engage in a legitimate discussion--and he did so very respectfully, even apologetically?

535 Soona'  Sun, Aug 2, 2009 2:07:34am

re: #520 littleoldlady

Good morning, afternoon, evening *everyone*!™

Fruitcup is on the buffet → → → → →
Help yourselves!

AAAhhh. Fruitcup. Mornin' LOL.

536 littleoldlady  Sun, Aug 2, 2009 2:09:02am

re: #523 austin_blue

No, sir, that doesn't work. You are not the victim here. Please answer my 425.

This is what comes from not being around LGF very much...

Question: Are there new rules here? When one demands an answer one must get an answer? Or does it only apply to you?

I ask because recently a few people were demanding an answer from another poster - golly! I believe it was iceweasel, in fact! - and did not receive it.

537 littleoldlady  Sun, Aug 2, 2009 2:09:28am

Soona'! :-)

538 BARACK THE VOTE  Sun, Aug 2, 2009 2:10:02am

re: #536 littleoldlady

This is what comes from not being around LGF very much...

Question: Are there new rules here? When one demands an answer one must get an answer? Or does it only apply to you?

I ask because recently a few people were demanding an answer from another poster - golly! I believe it was iceweasel, in fact! - and did not receive it.

About what?

539 littleoldlady  Sun, Aug 2, 2009 2:12:33am

re: #538 iceweasel

About your citizenship.

540 Soona'  Sun, Aug 2, 2009 2:14:50am

re: #539 littleoldlady

About your citizenship.

Actually, Ice. I remember having a few questions myself about that at one time. (A couple of weekends ago, if I'm correct)

541 austin_blue  Sun, Aug 2, 2009 2:14:55am

re: #539 littleoldlady

About your citizenship.

Iceweasel! Give up your birth certificate!

542 BARACK THE VOTE  Sun, Aug 2, 2009 2:16:03am

re: #539 littleoldlady

About your citizenship.

Some people were harrassing me demanding to know my citizenship, where I currently live, what my party affiliation is, who I have voted for, and how many times I've voted.

The really funny thing is that I've volunteered all that information on LGF-- I just stopped answering when I was asked the same thing over and over again.

543 capitalist piglet  Sun, Aug 2, 2009 2:16:16am

re: #534 iceweasel

I have no quarrel with you.

There is a specific problem with this poster, and it's not restricted to me. And there's a shitload of evidence to support it.

And you're right, I'm not being stifled-- I'm here. And this person's opposition isn't working-- I'm not isolated.

So I wonder, why is this person freaking out and calling austin_blue a bully, when he wants to engage in a legitimate discussion--and he did so very respectfully, even apologetically?

Honestly, I don't see her "freaking out".

As for the austin_blue thing - we don't force each other to answer posts. I think if someone posted over and over to me, demanding a reply as he has done to her, I might be resistant to giving one too. She's a very intelligent woman. She's not refusing to debate because she can't...believe me, she can.

544 Soona'  Sun, Aug 2, 2009 2:17:40am

re: #540 Soona'

Actually, Ice. I remember having a few questions myself about that at one time. (A couple of weekends ago, if I'm correct)

Correction. It was your gender in which I was enquiring. You were a little snotty about that, too.

545 BARACK THE VOTE  Sun, Aug 2, 2009 2:18:58am

re: #541 austin_blue

Iceweasel! Give up your birth certificate!

As I informed the most persistent of my questioners, when he informed me he was a lawyer-- "great, internet lawyer. I'll await your internet subpoena. Until then? Tough".

Yes, iceweasel is a seekrit Yurp-pee-un. *rolls eyes*

546 austin_blue  Sun, Aug 2, 2009 2:19:11am

re: #543 capitalist piglet

Honestly, I don't see her "freaking out".

As for the austin_blue thing - we don't force each other to answer posts. I think if someone posted over and over to me, demanding a reply as he has done to her, I might be resistant to giving one too. She's a very intelligent woman. She's not refusing to debate because she can't...believe me, she can.

Then she chooses not to. Okay. I'm cool with that. But I wish she would. She has said some not so nice things.

547 littleoldlady  Sun, Aug 2, 2009 2:20:02am

re: #541 austin_blue

Ha ha! You know what, I really don't care. Plenty of people from all over the world here at LGF. That's one of the things that makes it so great.

However, when one has a long conversation with someone regarding "OUR healthcare system being broken", and then that person won't answer the question as to whether or not she's actually an "OUR"...

/I say hmmm...

548 BARACK THE VOTE  Sun, Aug 2, 2009 2:20:22am

re: #544 Soona'

Correction. It was your gender in which I was enquiring. You were a little snotty about that, too.

I probably was snotty. My apologies. :) Honestly, a lot of people were beating up on me all at once a few weeks ago.

I'm female.

549 BARACK THE VOTE  Sun, Aug 2, 2009 2:21:40am

re: #547 littleoldlady

Ha ha! You know what, I really don't care. Plenty of people from all over the world here at LGF. That's one of the things that makes it so great.

However, when one has a long conversation with someone regarding "OUR healthcare system being broken", and then that person won't answer the question as to whether or not she's actually an "OUR"...

/I say hmmm...

Well, i did answer you about that...

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

550 austin_blue  Sun, Aug 2, 2009 2:22:14am

re: #548 iceweasel

I probably was snotty. My apologies. :) Honestly, a lot of people were beating up on me all at once a few weeks ago.

I'm female.

And if you didn't suss that out by clicking her nic...

551 littleoldlady  Sun, Aug 2, 2009 2:22:38am

iceweasel,

Yes, Killian was being his usual, lovable self ;-) but haakondahl very kindly and very gently explained why he wanted to know and you did not answer.

brb...I have to go ream someone out who just walked in the door at 5:21 am

552 Soona'  Sun, Aug 2, 2009 2:23:21am

re: #548 iceweasel

I probably was snotty. My apologies. :) Honestly, a lot of people were beating up on me all at once a few weeks ago.

I'm female.

Yes. I know. You finally told me. It was such a simple question.

553 BARACK THE VOTE  Sun, Aug 2, 2009 2:24:23am

re: #543 capitalist piglet

Honestly, I don't see her "freaking out".

But you've already admitted you don't post as much or see as much of what goes on here.

Again, no prob with you per se...but if you look at austin_blue's post, there was nothing at all combative or untoward about that post. It asked good questions and did so in an extremely respectful manner.

554 BARACK THE VOTE  Sun, Aug 2, 2009 2:25:02am

re: #551 littleoldlady

iceweasel,

Yes, Killian was being his usual, lovable self ;-) but haakondahl very kindly and very gently explained why he wanted to know and you did not answer.

brb...I have to go ream someone out who just walked in the door at 5:21 am

I did answer haak. Possibly a few hours later, or when you weren't there.

555 BARACK THE VOTE  Sun, Aug 2, 2009 2:25:54am

re: #550 austin_blue

And if you didn't suss that out by clicking her nic...

Right. Exactly.

//I'm hiding information! Oh noes!

jesus christ.

:)

556 Soona'  Sun, Aug 2, 2009 2:26:09am

re: #550 austin_blue

And if you didn't suss that out by clicking her nic...

C'mon. I was hungry, angry, and tired. I...just...wasn't... thinking...clearly.

557 Fenway_Nation  Sun, Aug 2, 2009 2:27:11am

re: #520 littleoldlady

Boy...is my face red. Spy froze up on me and I thought the thread had gone dead...

558 austin_blue  Sun, Aug 2, 2009 2:27:35am

re: #556 Soona'

C'mon. I was hungry, angry, and tired. I...just...wasn't... thinking...clearly.

That shit will most definitely happen! I suggest more beer and Power Bars.

559 BARACK THE VOTE  Sun, Aug 2, 2009 2:29:09am

re: #556 Soona'

C'mon. I was hungry, angry, and tired. I...just...wasn't... thinking...clearly.

Nothing wrong with that-- but then can't you give me a break for being somewhat snappish with you when a load of people were demanding my citizenship and my voting record and more for a while?

We can all get along here, mostly, right? Why be here if not to talk?

560 littleoldlady  Sun, Aug 2, 2009 2:32:33am

re: #554 iceweasel

I did answer haak. Possibly a few hours later, or when you weren't there.

Well that's a relief! At least haakon knows...

561 littleoldlady  Sun, Aug 2, 2009 2:32:44am

Fenway! :-)

562 Soona'  Sun, Aug 2, 2009 2:33:29am

re: #559 iceweasel

Nothing wrong with that-- but then can't you give me a break for being somewhat snappish with you when a load of people were demanding my citizenship and my voting record and more for a while?

We can all get along here, mostly, right? Why be here if not to talk?

I only wanted to know if you were a chick or not. I didn't know about any of the other stuff.

563 capitalist piglet  Sun, Aug 2, 2009 2:33:57am

re: #546 austin_blue

Then she chooses not to. Okay. I'm cool with that. But I wish she would. She has said some not so nice things.

So have others here tonight. LGF requires a thick skin.

If you sincerely want a reply from someone, I would suggest, kindly, that nagging them for one every time you have confirmation they're still on the thread is probably not going to get you the desired result.

564 BARACK THE VOTE  Sun, Aug 2, 2009 2:34:50am

re: #560 littleoldlady

Well that's a relief! At least haakon knows...

And everyone else who read the thread.

Here's what I'm confused by. If I refer to "our" country, or "our" healthcare plan, in talking about the US...why is the default assumption that I'm lying?

Why do I have to prove I'm 'really' American? I find that incredibly offensive.

565 austin_blue  Sun, Aug 2, 2009 2:36:09am

re: #563 capitalist piglet

So have others here tonight. LGF requires a thick skin.

If you sincerely want a reply from someone, I would suggest, kindly, that nagging them for one every time you have confirmation they're still on the thread is probably not going to get you the desired result.

Agreed. It won't happen again.

566 capitalist piglet  Sun, Aug 2, 2009 2:38:10am

re: #553 iceweasel

But you've already admitted you don't post as much or see as much of what goes on here.

Again, no prob with you per se...but if you look at austin_blue's post, there was nothing at all combative or untoward about that post. It asked good questions and did so in an extremely respectful manner.

No, I didn't "admit" that. I meant to indicate that for the amount of time you've been here, you've had a lot to say - and you have had the freedom to say it.

I said nothing about how much I read LGF, or how much I have observed.

As for the rest: I'm just not that interested in whether austin_blue gets a reply to his question from Pink or not. It just doesn't fascinate me all that much...sorry.

567 austin_blue  Sun, Aug 2, 2009 2:39:04am

re: #562 Soona'

I only wanted to know if you were a chick or not. I didn't know about any of the other stuff.

Cruisin' for Internet babes? I get the feeling that Ice is a double handful (not that there is anything wrong with that!). Just get your "yes, ma'am" face in place.

568 Fenway_Nation  Sun, Aug 2, 2009 2:40:32am

re: #556 Soona'


Dude- you left out jet-lagged...

569 capitalist piglet  Sun, Aug 2, 2009 2:40:44am

re: #565 austin_blue

Agreed. It won't happen again.

That's the spirit! If someone doesn't reply to me, I usually just think, "Ahh, screw it. Who cares?" ; )

Unless it's buzz. Then I pout. LOL

570 austin_blue  Sun, Aug 2, 2009 2:40:47am

re: #567 austin_blue

Cruisin' for Internet babes? I get the feeling that Ice is a double handful (not that there is anything wrong with that!). Just get your "yes, ma'am" face in place.

Oops. ;-)

571 austin_blue  Sun, Aug 2, 2009 2:42:39am

re: #569 capitalist piglet

That's the spirit! If someone doesn't reply to me, I usually just think, "Ahh, screw it. Who cares?" ; )

Unless it's buzz. Then I pout. LOL

Buzz is definitely the Sage on the Page whenever he is on the board. He and OR just slay me.

572 BARACK THE VOTE  Sun, Aug 2, 2009 2:44:01am

re: #562 Soona'

I only wanted to know if you were a chick or not. I didn't know about any of the other stuff.

Chick. Sorry for being snappish. BTW, have updinged you in other threads tonight, just so you know. I thought you were a chick, for some reason?

re: #567 austin_blue

I get the feeling that Ice is a double handful (not that there is anything wrong with that!). Just get your "yes, ma'am" face in place.

Hmm... Dunno what a 'yes ma'am' face would be, exactly. hee.

573 littleoldlady  Sun, Aug 2, 2009 2:45:32am

re: #564 iceweasel

Disclaimer: I am not on LGF 24/7...

The part of the thread that I saw, ice, had Killian asking (okay, he wasn't terribly nice ;-) and haakon asking (he WAS very nice about it) whether or not you were an American. I did not see anyone asking you to prove it.

Personally, if anyone asks me if I'm an American I'm not at all offended. In fact, I'm thrilled to be able to admit to it.

Point of fact, for anyone who wants to know...I am first generation American. My parents were born in Europe; my dad got out in the late 30's before the war hit Czechoslovakia, my mother wasn't so lucky. My father served in the South Pacific and I believe (no paper trail to check) that was before his citizenship papers came through.

See? Easy!

574 King of the Douche, now you may bow  Sun, Aug 2, 2009 2:46:27am

re: #572 iceweasel

All men know the "yes, ma'am" face. Make life easier:)

575 babes  Sun, Aug 2, 2009 2:47:53am

Folks - if you haven't figured it out by now- iceweasel is a pompous bore.

She's been chased out of every other group she has ever tried to interact with.

576 Soona'  Sun, Aug 2, 2009 2:48:31am

re: #567 austin_blue

Cruisin' for Internet babes? I get the feeling that Ice is a double handful (not that there is anything wrong with that!). Just get your "yes, ma'am" face in place.

"Double handful" is an entendre that I'd never make. How crude and unvarnished.

577 austin_blue  Sun, Aug 2, 2009 2:48:43am

re: #572 iceweasel

Hmm... Dunno what a 'yes ma'am' face would be, exactly. hee.

Aw, that's the one you keep for Sister Mary Beatrice (she of of the steel edged ruler) so you don't disappoint and get a WHACK from the Mandy stick. I use it a lot with She Who Must Be Obeyed. Domestic harmony, dontcha know.

578 BARACK THE VOTE  Sun, Aug 2, 2009 2:49:12am

re: #573 littleoldlady

Disclaimer: I am not on LGF 24/7...

The part of the thread that I saw, ice, had Killian asking (okay, he wasn't terribly nice ;-) and haakon asking (he WAS very nice about it) whether or not you were an American. I did not see anyone asking you to prove it.

Personally, if anyone asks me if I'm an American I'm not at all offended. In fact, I'm thrilled to be able to admit to it.

Point of fact, for anyone who wants to know...I am first generation American. My parents were born in Europe; my dad got out in the late 30's before the war hit Czechoslovakia, my mother wasn't so lucky. My father served in the South Pacific and I believe (no paper trail to check) that was before his citizenship papers came through.

See? Easy!

Good for you, congrats! One of the many things that makes America so unique--the very individual stories of each person. Thank you for sharing yours!

BTW: you're here for about an hour a day. On the day in question, KB had been extremely not nice to me about this for a long time, and you left before I answered Haak. Neither are my fault.

579 Soona'  Sun, Aug 2, 2009 2:49:47am

re: #568 Fenway_Nation

Dude- you left out jet-lagged...

Oh yeah. That too. ;)

580 King of the Douche, now you may bow  Sun, Aug 2, 2009 2:50:01am

re: #575 babes

Folks - if you haven't figured it out by now- iceweasel is a pompous bore.

She's been chased out of every other group she has ever tried to interact with.

And yet she is still here. Weird.

581 austin_blue  Sun, Aug 2, 2009 2:50:15am

re: #575 babes

Folks - if you haven't figured it out by now- iceweasel is a pompous bore.

She's been chased out of every other group she has ever tried to interact with.

Oh, that's harsh.

582 austin_blue  Sun, Aug 2, 2009 2:52:10am

re: #576 Soona'

"Double handful" is an entendre that I'd never make. How crude and unvarnished.

Ouch. Guilty. I've got a freakin' Okie teaching me manners! I am shattered! I'm in tatters!

583 BARACK THE VOTE  Sun, Aug 2, 2009 2:54:03am

re: #575 babes

Folks - if you haven't figured it out by now- iceweasel is a pompous bore.

She's been chased out of every other group she has ever tried to interact with.

Thanks for your input. I shall weep into my pillow every night over your opinion.

584 Soona'  Sun, Aug 2, 2009 2:54:57am

re: #572 iceweasel

Hmm... Dunno what a 'yes ma'am' face would be, exactly. hee.

You should say, "I thought you were a chick, SIR".

585 littleoldlady  Sun, Aug 2, 2009 2:56:48am

re: #578 iceweasel

As I said...I'm very relieved that haakon was satisfied.

;-)

586 nonic  Sun, Aug 2, 2009 2:57:54am

re: #573 littleoldlady

That makes you second generation. First generation is the ones who came here.

587 littleoldlady  Sun, Aug 2, 2009 2:59:54am

re: #586 nonic

nonic! :-)

Hiya! How's by you?!

So, if my mother wasn't a citizen when I was born but my father was, does that make me 1-1/2 generation? ;-)

588 austin_blue  Sun, Aug 2, 2009 3:01:26am

Adios muchachos. I am going to Dan Forte's wedding tomorrow! He was Guitar Player magazine's chief writer for years. Charles has probably bumped into him once or twice over the years. The music should be killer bee!

589 TheMatrix31  Sun, Aug 2, 2009 3:02:49am

What the fuck is going on here?

590 Throbert McGee  Sun, Aug 2, 2009 3:03:05am

re: #68 austin_blue

Doesn't everyone? Bizarre critters. They always have identical twins. When startled, they jump straight up, three feet.

Actually, identical quadruplets -- and as far as I know, this only applies to the nine-banded armored dildos found in Texas and elsewhere in the American Southwest -- all the other species of these critters (including the three-banded armadillo that is able to role itself into a ball as depicted in cartoons) have more normal modes of reproduction.

Hmm, scratch that -- according to wiki, most armadillo species within the genus Dasypus (9-banders are D. novemcinctus) have identical quadruplets. However, the remaining dozen or so species in other genuses genera don't reproduce this way, and in fact the Dasypus genus is the only example among all mammals of identical "twinning" being the normal rule and not the rare exception.

Another notable armored dildo fun fact: they are among the few non-human mammals that can catch leprosy. This, along with the genetically-identical litters and the abundant numbers of these critters in the Southwest, have made D. novemcinctus a sometimes valuable laboratory species.

591 Soona'  Sun, Aug 2, 2009 3:03:09am

re: #587 littleoldlady

nonic! :-)

Hiya! How's by you?!

So, if my mother wasn't a citizen when I was born but my father was, does that make me 1-1/2 generation? ;-)

Either that, or Mexican.

592 littleoldlady  Sun, Aug 2, 2009 3:04:05am

re: #591 Soona'

I'm AN AMERICAN, dammit! ;-)

593 nonic  Sun, Aug 2, 2009 3:05:00am

re: #587 littleoldlady

It's about when they came here from somewhere else, not about when or whether ever they became citizens.

How's S&CYL?

594 haakondahl  Sun, Aug 2, 2009 3:05:21am

re: #573 littleoldlady

See? Easy!

Yes, Ma'am.

595 freetoken  Sun, Aug 2, 2009 3:05:42am

re: #589 TheMatrix31

What the fuck is going on here?

LGF is becoming The Carnival of Souls?

596 Soona'  Sun, Aug 2, 2009 3:06:10am

re: #592 littleoldlady

I'm AN AMERICAN, dammit! ;-)

:D

597 Throbert McGee  Sun, Aug 2, 2009 3:07:25am

And now I suppose I should go wade through the responses to my confession about having had a few "buddies" (IYKWIMAITTYD) who were on the DL...

598 littleoldlady  Sun, Aug 2, 2009 3:08:03am

re: #593 nonic

Just walked in from being out at a party.

/I'm still running upstairs every 5 minutes to scream some more... ;-)

I wouldn't object except she has to be at work by 10 and she's not much good without her sleep.

How's your family?

599 haakondahl  Sun, Aug 2, 2009 3:08:09am

re: #575 babes

Folks - if you haven't figured it out by now- iceweasel is a pompous bore.

She's been chased out of every other group she has ever tried to interact with.

So, those would be groups of assholes, and which you have not been chased out of?

600 haakondahl  Sun, Aug 2, 2009 3:08:45am

re: #597 Throbert McGee

And now I suppose I should go wade through the responses to my confession about having had a few "buddies" (IYKWIMAITTYD) who were on the DL...

Wasn't much that I saw.

601 BARACK THE VOTE  Sun, Aug 2, 2009 3:10:05am

re: #595 freetoken

LGF is becoming The Carnival of Souls?

American souls, dammit!

Great movie, btw.

602 nonic  Sun, Aug 2, 2009 3:13:52am

re: #598 littleoldlady

Everybody's fine. Doing well. The first grandchild is a little cutie at 3 months now. But, boy, am I glad I don't have to go through all that again. Hmm. In general, I wouldn't want to be young today.

603 TheMatrix31  Sun, Aug 2, 2009 3:14:12am

re: #598 littleoldlady

Just walked in from being out at a party.

/I'm still running upstairs every 5 minutes to scream some more... ;-)

I wouldn't object except she has to be at work by 10 and she's not much good without her sleep.

How's your family?

Just came back from a party at 6am? Wild one ;)

604 haakondahl  Sun, Aug 2, 2009 3:14:15am

re: #573 littleoldlady

The part of the thread that I saw, ice, had Killian asking (okay, he wasn't terribly nice ;-) and haakon asking (he WAS very nice about it) whether or not you were an American.

When I feel like getting in touch with my inner Killian Bundy, I go and abuse Salamantis. Now *there's* a pompous bore. He's not a bad guy, I just can't stand him. There's something about being lectured at length in tortuous non sequitur arguments by a blowhard who thinks I'm anti-intellectual that just sets me off. And I'm okay with that.

I'm not anti-intellectual--I'm anti name-dropping windbag. And I'm considering becoming anti- [user:babes]. We'll see.

605 freetoken  Sun, Aug 2, 2009 3:14:26am

re: #601 iceweasel

Free for downloading at the Internet Archives to which I linked!

606 haakondahl  Sun, Aug 2, 2009 3:15:13am

re: #597 Throbert McGee

And now I suppose I should go wade through the responses to my confession about having had a few "buddies" (IYKWIMAITTYD) who were on the DL...

"truly"?

607 BARACK THE VOTE  Sun, Aug 2, 2009 3:16:22am

re: #606 haakondahl

"truly"?

"think that"

:)

608 haakondahl  Sun, Aug 2, 2009 3:16:52am

All right. Off to another briefing. This one will probably cover how to recline the seat on one of these modern "jet" aircraft.

Return of the Hesperus.

609 haakondahl  Sun, Aug 2, 2009 3:17:15am

re: #607 iceweasel

"think that"

:)

Ah. That works.

610 haakondahl  Sun, Aug 2, 2009 3:17:43am

Was working on "truly think". Perhaps that's a bit, uh, flashy.

611 Erik The Red  Sun, Aug 2, 2009 3:18:19am

Morning Lizards. {lol} thanks for fruitcup.

612 BARACK THE VOTE  Sun, Aug 2, 2009 3:18:24am

re: #610 haakondahl

Was working on "truly think". Perhaps that's a bit, uh, flashy.

Oh, I didn't even get it when you said that--- 'truly'

I like that better, actually.

613 haakondahl  Sun, Aug 2, 2009 3:18:32am

Hey, look. "babes" is a pompous bore who's been chased off of this thread.

614 littleoldlady  Sun, Aug 2, 2009 3:18:48am

re: #604 haakondahl

Selective abuse!

/that works! ;-)

Never assume on LGF, that's my motto. Because even though I'm "only on for about an hour a day" (tis true!) I have been here since 2002.

/establishing my credentials ;-)

615 littleoldlady  Sun, Aug 2, 2009 3:19:23am

Erik! :-)

616 haakondahl  Sun, Aug 2, 2009 3:20:23am

Lizards--I will be in San Diego in the very near future, for maybe a week, and would like to meet up. Will keep putting this notice up, and will coordinate contact info over a private thread, as the opportunity presents.

Beer's on me. Trust me, I have money.

617 BARACK THE VOTE  Sun, Aug 2, 2009 3:20:40am

re: #614 littleoldlady

Selective abuse!

/that works! ;-)

Never assume on LGF, that's my motto. Because even though I'm "only on for about an hour a day" (tis true!) I have been here since 2002.

/establishing my credentials ;-)

Look, Don't get offended, please, because I merely pointed out that you missed the beginning of the incident you referred to, and were gone before the end of it. No disrespect was intended.

618 Soona'  Sun, Aug 2, 2009 3:20:45am

re: #603 TheMatrix31

Just came back from a party at 6am? Wild one ;)

As I recall, there was someone upthread complaining about all the noise y'all were making.

619 littleoldlady  Sun, Aug 2, 2009 3:21:09am

re: #616 haakondahl

Trust me, I have money.

Will you be coming through Philadelphia?

620 haakondahl  Sun, Aug 2, 2009 3:21:44am

re: #614 littleoldlady

Selective abuse!

/that works! ;-)

Never assume on LGF, that's my motto. Because even though I'm "only on for about an hour a day" (tis true!) I have been here since 2002.

/establishing my credentials ;-)

LoL, nobody checks your credentials. You're the issuing agency.

I pity the fool!

621 littleoldlady  Sun, Aug 2, 2009 3:21:52am

re: #603 TheMatrix31

Just came back from a party at 6am? Wild one ;)

Sometimes.

/this is one of those times ;-)

622 haakondahl  Sun, Aug 2, 2009 3:22:31am

re: #619 littleoldlady

Will you be coming through Philadelphia?

Uh, fraid not.

623 haakondahl  Sun, Aug 2, 2009 3:22:54am

Sorry, I really hafta go.

624 BARACK THE VOTE  Sun, Aug 2, 2009 3:23:20am

re: #623 haakondahl

Sorry, I really hafta go.

Later, haak! Take care!

625 littleoldlady  Sun, Aug 2, 2009 3:23:31am

re: #617 iceweasel

I don't do "offended" here.

/something else I learned, lo these many years.

I do "amused" fairly often, though.

626 littleoldlady  Sun, Aug 2, 2009 3:24:51am

re: #620 haakondahl

LoL, nobody checks your credentials. You're the issuing agency.

I pity the fool!

Awww, come on! I'm a pussycat! EVERYONE knows that!

627 nonic  Sun, Aug 2, 2009 3:24:58am

Over and out.

628 Erik The Red  Sun, Aug 2, 2009 3:25:22am

re: #626 littleoldlady

Awww, come on! I'm a pussycat! EVERYONE knows that!

On steroids. ROTF

629 BARACK THE VOTE  Sun, Aug 2, 2009 3:27:11am

re: #613 haakondahl

Hey, look. "babes" is a pompous bore who's been chased off of this thread.

Such a shock. Sockpuppet? Why yes, yes I think so.

630 TheMatrix31  Sun, Aug 2, 2009 3:27:21am

re: #621 littleoldlady

Sometimes.

/this is one of those times ;-)

Awesome. I'm not a big partier at ALL.

Nothin' like spending a night at home with a Pepsi and some classic shows or a ballgame on.

631 Soona'  Sun, Aug 2, 2009 3:29:03am

re: #626 littleoldlady

Awww, come on! I'm a pussycat! EVERYONE knows that!

LOL!

632 littleoldlady  Sun, Aug 2, 2009 3:30:32am

re: #630 TheMatrix31

She is her father's daughter. Life is one big party.

/except when her mom's DNA kicks in and the Reality of Responsibilities™ rears its ugly head. ;-)

633 TheMatrix31  Sun, Aug 2, 2009 3:31:31am

re: #632 littleoldlady

She is her father's daughter. Life is one big party.

/except when her mom's DNA kicks in and the Reality of Responsibilities™ rears its ugly head. ;-)

Hahaha...I love to have fun, just never really into the whole big party/club thing. Once in a GREAT while.

634 Erik The Red  Sun, Aug 2, 2009 3:32:14am
635 wahabicorridor  Sun, Aug 2, 2009 3:33:03am

good morning lizardia

so, I have a question. I have a few yahoo email accounts I use for online purchases and such. About a week ago I got a message saying that because of 'congestion' yahoo had to delete a number of accounts and I was one of them unless I provided the following

Dear Account User,
This Email is from Yahoo Customer Care and we are sending it to every Yahoo Email User Accounts Owner for safety.We are having congestions due to the anonymous registration of Yahoo accounts so we are shutting down some Yahoo accounts and your account was among those to be deleted.We are sending you this email to so that you can verify and let us know if you still want to use this account.If you are still interested please confirm your account by filling the space below.Your User name,password,secret question,secret answer,date of birth and your country information would be needed to verify your account. Due to the congestion in all Yahoo users and removal of all unused Accounts, Yahoo will be shutting down all unused Accounts, You will have to confirm your E-mail by filling out your Login Information below after clicking the reply button, or your account will be suspended within 24 hours for security reasons.


* YOUR NAME:

*USER NAME:

*E-MAIL ID:

*PASSWORD:

*VERIFY PASSWORD:

*SECRET QUESTION:

*SECRET ANSWER:

*ALTERNATE EMAIL ADDRESS:

*DATE OF BIRTH:

*Occupation:

*COUNTRY/TERRITORY:


Warning!!! Account owner that refuses to update his/her account after two weeks of receiving this warning will lose his or her account permanently. We apologize.
Yahoo Account Service

Team Admin...

so I sent this reply

Oh, yahoo customer service has an email account at earthlink? And you need my password?

Riiight.

And I get this - haven't opened yet. From something called 'Verify Center" (previously the email came in as 'Yahoo') the title says

WARNING!!! WARNING!!! WARNING!!!YAHOO!!!Unused account removal confirm your account

Well, first of all, that account has never been unused and anyone who asks me for my password getting jack.

Just thought I'd let you guys know

636 Erik The Red  Sun, Aug 2, 2009 3:34:54am

re: #635 wahabicorridor

good morning lizardia

so, I have a question. I have a few yahoo email accounts I use for online purchases and such. About a week ago I got a message saying that because of 'congestion' yahoo had to delete a number of accounts and I was one of them unless I provided the following

Well, first of all, that account has never been unused and anyone who asks me for my password getting jack.

Just thought I'd let you guys know

Sounds like a scam to me. Have you contacted Yahoo about this?

637 littleoldlady  Sun, Aug 2, 2009 3:34:54am

re: #635 wahabicorridor

wahabi! :-)

Phishing.

/I HATE phishing!

638 King of the Douche, now you may bow  Sun, Aug 2, 2009 3:35:26am

re: #635 wahabicorridor

When I get those I tell them my password is FUCKOFF. Not sure if they get the joke.

639 Soona'  Sun, Aug 2, 2009 3:38:09am

re: #635 wahabicorridor

Unfortunatally, someone is going to fall for this scam.

640 wahabicorridor  Sun, Aug 2, 2009 3:39:11am

re: #636 Erik The Red

Sounds like a scam to me. Have you contacted Yahoo about this?

I can't find a 'contact' thingy - they've changed their layout.

I think it's hilarious. But I wanted to post in case anyone else is getting this crap. I also get stuff on my earthlink acct - 'update your account info' that askes me for my credit card info and password.

I mean - srsrly? - do I LOOK stoopid?

Ah, the Fat Beagle has come to get me. MOM! Come back to bed.

Dogs. Packs. Alphas. All that

641 Fenway_Nation  Sun, Aug 2, 2009 3:39:27am

re: #635 wahabicorridor

I got an unsolicited text message saying that it was purportedly from my bank and that there was some sort of vague and ambiguous problem with my account...except they never identidied what bank it was specifically.

For shits and giggles, I called the toll-free number left behind in the message, called from a public payphone and randomly punched a bunch of numbers on the keypad when I was prompted to divulge my account number...

642 Soona'  Sun, Aug 2, 2009 3:39:42am

re: #639 Soona'

Unfortunatally, someone is going to fall for this scam.

Unfortunately...(damn)

643 King of the Douche, now you may bow  Sun, Aug 2, 2009 3:49:08am

FNC just had a news alert saying Scott Spicher's remains have been found. If I spelled his name wrong, sorry. He was 1st shot down in Gulf War 1.

644 freetoken  Sun, Aug 2, 2009 3:50:02am

Did gmsc do his daily recounting of history?

Anyway, I got to thinking about how much can change in 200 years. For example, 1809 was the year that the first patent (in the US) was awarded to a woman.

Also in 1809 were two notable births of inventive souls, Cyrus Hall McCormick who invented the mechanical reaper, and Louis Braille who improved the system of raised dots for blind people.

So, now this is 2009... and I wonder, what will happen this year that will be remembered in 2209?

Here is an assignment I'll give to the late night crowd to chew on for a day or two: What will life in the year 2209 be like (in the US, in the world)? And, what in that vision of 2209 will be traceable back to our day?

645 Soona'  Sun, Aug 2, 2009 3:51:41am

re: #643 Cannadian Club Akbar

FNC just had a news alert saying Scott Spicher's remains have been found. If I spelled his name wrong, sorry. He was 1st shot down in Gulf War 1.

Where?

646 King of the Douche, now you may bow  Sun, Aug 2, 2009 3:53:28am

re: #643 Cannadian Club Akbar

FNC just had a news alert saying Scott Spicher's remains have been found. If I spelled his name wrong, sorry. He was 1st shot down in Gulf War 1.

Speicher. They used dental records thus far. DNA in the next few days.

647 BARACK THE VOTE  Sun, Aug 2, 2009 3:55:59am

re: #641 Fenway_Nation

I got an unsolicited text message saying that it was purportedly from my bank and that there was some sort of vague and ambiguous problem with my account...except they never identidied what bank it was specifically.

For shits and giggles, I called the toll-free number left behind in the message, called from a public payphone and randomly punched a bunch of numbers on the keypad when I was prompted to divulge my account number...

That's really frightening. How many people (especially older people) are going to fall for that sort of thing? Probably a lot. It's sad.

648 Soona'  Sun, Aug 2, 2009 3:56:00am

re: #644 freetoken

Did gmsc do his daily recounting of history?

Anyway, I got to thinking about how much can change in 200 years. For example, 1809 was the year that the first patent (in the US) was awarded to a woman.

Also in 1809 were two notable births of inventive souls, Cyrus Hall McCormick who invented the mechanical reaper, and Louis Braille who improved the system of raised dots for blind people.

So, now this is 2009... and I wonder, what will happen this year that will be remembered in 2209?

Here is an assignment I'll give to the late night crowd to chew on for a day or two: What will life in the year 2209 be like (in the US, in the world)? And, what in that vision of 2209 will be traceable back to our day?

I can think of one now. In 2209, Stinky will still be banning trolls and sockpuppets from LGF. (Stinky is immortal)

649 littleoldlady  Sun, Aug 2, 2009 3:56:15am

Bad thunder! BAD!

/I ALMOST made it two full hours here today... ;-)

Good day, ALL!™

650 King of the Douche, now you may bow  Sun, Aug 2, 2009 3:56:18am

re: #645 Soona'

Where?

Anbar Province.

651 Fenway_Nation  Sun, Aug 2, 2009 3:57:24am

re: #649 littleoldlady


Bye LoL...I'm outta here myself!

Play nice, lizards!

652 BARACK THE VOTE  Sun, Aug 2, 2009 3:57:25am

re: #649 littleoldlady

Have a nice day. Cheers.

653 Erik The Red  Sun, Aug 2, 2009 3:57:37am

re: #649 littleoldlady

Bad thunder! BAD!

/I ALMOST made it two full hours here today... ;-)

Good day, ALL!™

Bye {lol} have a great Sunday. Don't come down on jewpublican to hard. We were all young once :)

654 Soona'  Sun, Aug 2, 2009 3:57:53am

re: #646 Cannadian Club Akbar

Speicher. They used dental records thus far. DNA in the next few days.

Exactly where did they find the remains?

655 King of the Douche, now you may bow  Sun, Aug 2, 2009 4:00:44am

re: #654 Soona'

Exactly where did they find the remains?

Anbar Province. I also don't think this would be out there is they just had remains. Remeber, Saddam buried Kurds with their ID's and kept records.

656 Soona'  Sun, Aug 2, 2009 4:04:14am

re: #655 Cannadian Club Akbar

Anbar Province. I also don't think this would be out there is they just had remains. Remeber, Saddam buried Kurds with their ID's and kept records.

Hope they are his. He'll be able to finally come home now.

657 Soona'  Sun, Aug 2, 2009 4:06:21am

I'm outta' here folks. It's been fun.

658 King of the Douche, now you may bow  Sun, Aug 2, 2009 4:08:15am

re: #656 Soona'

Hope they are his. He'll be able to finally come home now.

Now FNC is saying they already did DNA. Final results in 24 hours.

659 Erik The Red  Sun, Aug 2, 2009 4:24:10am

Did everyone go back to bed? Maybe a good idea.

660 King of the Douche, now you may bow  Sun, Aug 2, 2009 4:26:15am

re: #659 Erik The Red

Did everyone go back to bed? Maybe a good idea.


Did you ever find good pizza?

661 Erik The Red  Sun, Aug 2, 2009 4:27:29am

re: #660 Cannadian Club Akbar

Did you ever find good pizza?

Not yet. The last place got a 6, so my quest continues.

662 BARACK THE VOTE  Sun, Aug 2, 2009 4:34:16am

re: #660 Cannadian Club Akbar

Did you ever find good pizza?

Hey, CCA. Did you call that guy about the the ecigs?

663 King of the Douche, now you may bow  Sun, Aug 2, 2009 4:37:43am

re: #662 iceweasel

Hey, CCA. Did you call that guy about the the ecigs?

No. Got distracted. But it isn't in the paper anymore.

664 King of the Douche, now you may bow  Sun, Aug 2, 2009 4:40:09am

One of the guys that does our M-F morning news talk is an big time smoker. If the Ecig people had brains, they would set him up. He would talk about it on the show, without a doubt.

665 Erik The Red  Sun, Aug 2, 2009 4:40:36am

re: #663 Cannadian Club Akbar

No. Got distracted. But it isn't in the paper anymore.

I can give you a link to a S.African supplier. It has become pretty big over there.

666 Erik The Red  Sun, Aug 2, 2009 4:41:41am

re: #664 Cannadian Club Akbar

One of the guys that does our M-F morning news talk is an big time smoker. If the Ecig people had brains, they would set him up. He would talk about it on the show, without a doubt.

I have tried it. It did not do much for me, but maybe I just needed to give it more time.

667 King of the Douche, now you may bow  Sun, Aug 2, 2009 4:43:02am

re: #665 Erik The Red

I can give you a link to a S.African supplier. It has become pretty big over there.

IW says her friends used it in Europe and it worked (they were trying to quit) I guess I might have to try one before I drop a bunch of loot.

668 BARACK THE VOTE  Sun, Aug 2, 2009 4:47:06am

re: #667 Cannadian Club Akbar

IW says her friends used it in Europe and it worked (they were trying to quit) I guess I might have to try one before I drop a bunch of loot.

I only know three people who have used it, and it helped them to quit. But I'd definitely recommend getting more user opinions, via Erick and everyone else you can who have used it.

I thought it was illegal in the US still (or at least, not FDA approved!!!) and anyone looking at it should check out cost and availability of the replacement cartridges, of course.

669 Erik The Red  Sun, Aug 2, 2009 4:49:34am

re: #667 Cannadian Club Akbar

IW says her friends used it in Europe and it worked (they were trying to quit) I guess I might have to try one before I drop a bunch of loot.

Here is what it is called in S.Africa and some info about it. Twisp

670 BARACK THE VOTE  Sun, Aug 2, 2009 4:50:22am

re: #666 Erik The Red

I have tried it. It did not do much for me, but maybe I just needed to give it more time.

I think it might also matter how much you smoked-- I should check with my friends and find out how heavy a smoker each was. I bet that matters.

671 King of the Douche, now you may bow  Sun, Aug 2, 2009 4:54:08am

re: #670 iceweasel

I think it might also matter how much you smoked-- I should check with my friends and find out how heavy a smoker each was. I bet that matters.

See, since I have been out of work, I smoke more now. I also drink a hell of a lot more coffee.

672 BlueRoses  Sun, Aug 2, 2009 4:57:26am

Not a classic among them:(

673 Flyers1974  Sun, Aug 2, 2009 5:05:24am

Good morning everyone.

674 BARACK THE VOTE  Sun, Aug 2, 2009 5:07:09am

re: #671 Cannadian Club Akbar

See, since I have been out of work, I smoke more now. I also drink a hell of a lot more coffee.

From what I recall, it doesn't work like the patch-- you don't have to totally go off smoking immediately. You can use e-cigs to radically cut down your smoking and then end it. i can't remember. The rules are probably different because the nicotine concentration differs too, by country. Erik probably knows more.

From my friends' testimonies, the great thing about them is that it provides all the same physical stuff, about inhaling, and so on.

But I know from the brief time I smoked that it was very psychological and physcial-- it was an addiction to certain comforting routines, in a way.

This would be a hard time to quit for you...it's one reason I'd suggest checking out the money factor. That might motivate you too. It's such a problem, because smoking relieves tension, smokers almost always crave a cigarette with coffee, and being out of work gives you all this downtime and is one of the most tension-producing things possible. You're in this real feedback loop. :(

675 yochanan  Sun, Aug 2, 2009 5:10:53am

the evil empire goes down
[Link: www.chicagotribune.com...]

676 BARACK THE VOTE  Sun, Aug 2, 2009 5:11:14am

re: #672 BlueRoses

Not a classic among them:(

How was the pool? :)

677 Flyers1974  Sun, Aug 2, 2009 5:12:03am

re: #674 iceweasel

We're discussing quitting smoking I see. Forget relieving tension, I can't even think properly without nicotine in my system. Bad stuff.

678 King of the Douche, now you may bow  Sun, Aug 2, 2009 5:13:20am

re: #675 yochanan

the evil empire goes down
[Link: www.chicagotribune.com...]

As a Rays fan, let me say...yippee!!! I hate the Yankees.

679 BARACK THE VOTE  Sun, Aug 2, 2009 5:20:04am

re: #677 Flyers1974

We're discussing quitting smoking I see. Forget relieving tension, I can't even think properly without nicotine in my system. Bad stuff.

Yeah, it's bad.

I started a bit of a fight here the other day on an overnight thread simply by agreeing with an exsmoker who said that he struggled after he ate and when drinking.

I said this was a good rationale for supporting (owner or operater initiated) bans on smoking in bars and restaurants-- a rationale conservatives could like. Not because "smoking offends others", but because these are genuinely areas where a ban helps people who want to quit, or who have quit, continue to stay quit.

My opinion only.

680 yochanan  Sun, Aug 2, 2009 5:20:07am

re: #678 Cannadian Club Akbar

if we win today we swept them at home.

681 King of the Douche, now you may bow  Sun, Aug 2, 2009 5:21:53am

Scanning over the classified ads. Sous chef position available at a French restaurant named...Miguel's. Ain't America great?

682 yochanan  Sun, Aug 2, 2009 5:22:30am

re: #679 iceweasel

indoor smoking I have a problem with but locally they are even banning out door smoking at outdoor cafe's even if said cafe is right next to a very busy road with lots of cars.

683 yochanan  Sun, Aug 2, 2009 5:23:32am

re: #681 Cannadian Club Akbar

how about a mexican halal place ???

684 Flyers1974  Sun, Aug 2, 2009 5:26:29am

re: #679 iceweasel

Yeah, it's bad.

I started a bit of a fight here the other day on an overnight thread simply by agreeing with an exsmoker who said that he struggled after he ate and when drinking.

I said this was a good rationale for supporting (owner or operater initiated) bans on smoking in bars and restaurants-- a rationale conservatives could like. Not because "smoking offends others", but because these are genuinely areas where a ban helps people who want to quit, or who have quit, continue to stay quit.

My opinion only.

My opinion - bars are a place of "sin." It should be the one place where smoking is allowed. Not a scientific argument, I admit. As an aside, the bartenders I've talked to seem to like the bans, for what that's worth. IW, I've been on an unintentional news black out - been unusually busy. Haven't kept up with politics or posted much here - I bearly know what happened with the Cop/Professor/Obama/beer thing.

685 King of the Douche, now you may bow  Sun, Aug 2, 2009 5:27:03am

re: #682 yochanan

indoor smoking I have a problem with but locally they are even banning out door smoking at outdoor cafe's even if said cafe is right next to a very busy road with lots of cars.

I think Eddie Murphy said it best. If your mom caught you smoking, she would bust your ass. But she would let you breathe the fumes of the ice cream truck for 5 minutes to get her a fudge bar.

686 SixDegrees  Sun, Aug 2, 2009 5:29:54am

OK - last week on the overnight thread, we got into a discussion about ginger ales.

I managed to find some Blenheim ginger ale locally. I can't say it was a thrilling experience. Very gingery to the point of being hot, but oddly lacking in actual taste. I wouldn't say it was bad. But it wasn't a standout.

Still looking for Reed's. So far, no luck.

Frankly, I doubt anything will match up to Vernors in my book, just because it's the ginger ale I grew up with. It has the added cachet of having originated in Detroit, so our roots are entangled. And, of course, it's aged in oak barrels for four years - or it used to be. I doubt they make it this way anymore. They certainly don't pump it full of CO2 like they used to - nearly double the normal carbonization of other soft drinks, modern cans wouldn't hold up to the pressure.

Like others, I don't see how Canada Dry can call itself ginger ale; there's nothing remotely gingery about it that I can detect. It isn't bad; I just can't count it as ginger ale. And then there's the whole question of why Canada Dry's Tonic Waer does this under a black light, which is vaguely disturbing.

687 BARACK THE VOTE  Sun, Aug 2, 2009 5:31:45am

re: #684 Flyers1974

My opinion - bars are a place of "sin." It should be the one place where smoking is allowed. Not a scientific argument, I admit. As an aside, the bartenders I've talked to seem to like the bans, for what that's worth. IW, I've been on an unintentional news black out - been unusually busy. Haven't kept up with politics or posted much here - I bearly know what happened with the Cop/Professor/Obama/beer thing.

Makes sense that the bartenders like it. Honestly, it's hard for them to work in a place that is that smoky all the time. Even when they're smokers themselves, they're getting way more exposure than their own smoking gives them-- by virtue of working in that place.

Not much up in re: GatesGate. About what you'd expect. Anything you want to know about in particular? Hit me!

I'm up to speed, pretty much--more on lib/prog stuff and outside world than here.

688 King of the Douche, now you may bow  Sun, Aug 2, 2009 5:32:56am

re: #686 SixDegrees

I don't know if you know this. If you go into a restaurant and order Ginger Ale and they don't have it, they will tell you they do then give you half coke and half sprite. Not kidding.

689 yochanan  Sun, Aug 2, 2009 5:33:31am

re: #684 Flyers1974

well at least the bar owner should be given a choice I personally would not go to a smokey bar

690 Flyers1974  Sun, Aug 2, 2009 5:34:12am

re: #687 iceweasel

My uninformed take - Obama f'ed up - didn't know the facts? Main damage is sucking air from health care, as for the gates thing in and of itself, no lasting damage?

691 BlueRoses  Sun, Aug 2, 2009 5:35:47am

re: #676 iceweasel

How was the pool? :)

It was great. I love living in Florida and that pool keeps the body temp somewhere near normal :))

692 BARACK THE VOTE  Sun, Aug 2, 2009 5:35:51am

re: #686 SixDegrees

Upding for the freakishly pedantic post on ginger ale (and I mean that description as a total compliment).

Also for the scary black light picture.

693 Flyers1974  Sun, Aug 2, 2009 5:36:21am

re: #689 yochanan

I agree about the bar owner choice issue.

694 SixDegrees  Sun, Aug 2, 2009 5:37:07am

re: #688 Cannadian Club Akbar

I don't know if you know this. If you go into a restaurant and order Ginger Ale and they don't have it, they will tell you they do then give you half coke and half sprite. Not kidding.

I've never run across that tidbit.

I've also developed curiousity about ginger beer, which I've never had. I suspect our local alcoholic beverage specialty establishment may have some, so perhaps I'll try to hunt that down, too.

695 SasquatchOnSteroids  Sun, Aug 2, 2009 5:39:42am

One of those mornings where you put salt in your coffee and sugar on your eggs.

696 Flyers1974  Sun, Aug 2, 2009 5:40:00am

re: #687 iceweasel

Makes sense that the bartenders like it. Honestly, it's hard for them to work in a place that is that smoky all the time. Even when they're smokers themselves, they're getting way more exposure than their own smoking gives them-- by virtue of working in that place.

Not much up in re: GatesGate. About what you'd expect. Anything you want to know about in particular? Hit me!

I'm up to speed, pretty much--more on lib/prog stuff and outside world than here.

One of these days you have to learn me about the lib/prog distinction. Until your postings, I thought they were different names for the same thing. Shit's getting complicated.

697 SixDegrees  Sun, Aug 2, 2009 5:40:11am

re: #692 iceweasel

Upding for the freakishly pedantic post on ginger ale (and I mean that description as a total compliment).

Also for the scary black light picture.

The conversation began over a comparison between Purple Cows (chocolate milk mixed with grape soda) versus Brown Cows (same thing, with Vernors substituted for the grape). Vernors has a unique taste that's part of my childhood; there isn't a substitute for it, although the formulation and even the mouth feel has changed since I was younger.

698 Erik The Red  Sun, Aug 2, 2009 5:43:33am

re: #695 SasquatchOnSteroids

One of those mornings where you put salt in your coffee and sugar on your eggs.

Ouch. Sorry about that. :)

699 SasquatchOnSteroids  Sun, Aug 2, 2009 5:46:22am

re: #698 Erik The Red

Ouch. Sorry about that. :)

Slowly waking up.

One
Cell
At
A
Time.

The important thing is, isn't today the day for you ?
Hooray !

700 BARACK THE VOTE  Sun, Aug 2, 2009 5:49:57am

re: #690 Flyers1974

My uninformed take - Obama f'ed up - didn't know the facts? Main damage is sucking air from health care, as for the gates thing in and of itself, no lasting damage?

Truth about what's going on? Here we go:

Yeah. Total bullshit and lets all chase this story for a week kind of thing.

Main damage: Obama called a presser about health care, answered all these q's about hc, and all anyone talked about was the last question, which was about Gates.

As a result, the entire media has been baying about Gates.

Also as a result, now there won't be any vote on HC until September. Surprise, surprise-- eyes were off the birdie, and Congress is now OUT of session-- leaving months for the Blue Dogs and Repubs and insurance companies to fear monger. They're starting. Massive freak out emails originating from the fringe right are landing in seniors email boxes. I spent a shitload of time yesterday debunking one that's now on 358,000 websites and counting.

Gates/Crowley= yes, they luv each other now. They're having lunch soon. Really.

In other news: a blogger started a rumour that the Palins were divorcing. Sarah Palin's spokesperson decided the best way to deal with this was to issue a press release, talk to the media, and post on SP's facebook, thereby ensuring that the entire world now knows about the rumour.

Palin needs to fire Meg Stapleton.

I guess this is my news for now that is non-LGF.

You can find out that Glenn Beck thinks that the gubbmint is taking over our computers, and a poll about how nirthers now rule the GOP here. (both true, btw)

Yes, I'll be downdinged, but this is what's going on.

701 BARACK THE VOTE  Sun, Aug 2, 2009 5:53:56am

re: #690 Flyers1974

Massive freak out emails originating from the fringe right are landing in seniors email boxes. I spent a shitload of time yesterday debunking one that's now on 358,000 websites and counting.

I don't mean here, obviously-- I mean in my real life. Which is often political, etc. (no surprise)

Yes, lib and prog are different.

702 King of the Douche, now you may bow  Sun, Aug 2, 2009 5:54:29am

re: #700 iceweasel

You forgot to add that Nancy Pelosi said she is gonna take insurance company profits. Guess she doesn't get the fact that regular folk have 401(k)s

703 Erik The Red  Sun, Aug 2, 2009 5:56:00am

re: #699 SasquatchOnSteroids

Slowly waking up.

One
Cell
At
A
Time.

The important thing is, isn't today the day for you ?
Hooray !

Yes it is thanks. Been a long time since I have been as excited as I am today.

704 Flyers1974  Sun, Aug 2, 2009 5:56:23am

re: #700 iceweasel

Truth about what's going on? Here we go:

Yeah. Total bullshit and lets all chase this story for a week kind of thing.

Main damage: Obama called a presser about health care, answered all these q's about hc, and all anyone talked about was the last question, which was about Gates.

As a result, the entire media has been baying about Gates.

Also as a result, now there won't be any vote on HC until September. Surprise, surprise-- eyes were off the birdie, and Congress is now OUT of session-- leaving months for the Blue Dogs and Repubs and insurance companies to fear monger. They're starting. Massive freak out emails originating from the fringe right are landing in seniors email boxes. I spent a shitload of time yesterday debunking one that's now on 358,000 websites and counting.

Gates/Crowley= yes, they luv each other now. They're having lunch soon. Really.

In other news: a blogger started a rumour that the Palins were divorcing. Sarah Palin's spokesperson decided the best way to deal with this was to issue a press release, talk to the media, and post on SP's facebook, thereby ensuring that the entire world now knows about the rumour.

Palin needs to fire Meg Stapleton.

I guess this is my news for now that is non-LGF.

You can find out that Glenn Beck thinks that the gubbmint is taking over our computers, and a poll about how nirthers now rule the GOP here. (both true, btw)

Yes, I'll be downdinged, but this is what's going on.

Do we know why Obama bit on that question? Just an impulsive f' up or bad tactical move? Weird, he's nothing if not cautious. Glad love is in the air between the cop/professor. Does anyone think health care reform will ever get passed? I love Palin.

705 bbuddha  Sun, Aug 2, 2009 5:57:25am

Good Morning All

Iceweasel, No down ding. I think you are wrong about congress stepping into healthcare being a good thing. you are right about the scaremongering. Personally I thing telling the truth is enough, but that's just me

706 BARACK THE VOTE  Sun, Aug 2, 2009 5:57:49am

re: #702 Cannadian Club Akbar

You forgot to add that Nancy Pelosi said she is gonna take insurance company profits. Guess she doesn't get the fact that regular folk have 401(k)s

I hate Nancy Pelosi. And I have a SHITLOAD of good criticisms to spring on the health care issue, believe me.

I assumed Flyers wanted the dirt on 'what's up in the lib/prog sphere" kind of way-- stuff he wouldn't find from checking LGF or reading the papers.

707 Flyers1974  Sun, Aug 2, 2009 6:00:31am

re: #706 iceweasel

I hate Nancy Pelosi. And I have a SHITLOAD of good criticisms to spring on the health care issue, believe me.

I assumed Flyers wanted the dirt on 'what's up in the lib/prog sphere" kind of way-- stuff he wouldn't find from checking LGF or reading the papers.

Exactly. I had no clue they were different things.

708 King of the Douche, now you may bow  Sun, Aug 2, 2009 6:00:57am

re: #706 iceweasel

I hate Nancy Pelosi. And I have a SHITLOAD of good criticisms to spring on the health care issue, believe me.

I assumed Flyers wanted the dirt on 'what's up in the lib/prog sphere" kind of way-- stuff he wouldn't find from checking LGF or reading the papers.

I know. Also, one of the guys at CITI Bank that had nothing to do with running it into the ground is getting $100 million as a bonus. The part the guy runs is actually doing well.

709 Erik The Red  Sun, Aug 2, 2009 6:03:21am

re: #708 Cannadian Club Akbar

I know. Also, one of the guys at CITI Bank that had nothing to do with running it into the ground is getting $100 million as a bonus. The part the guy runs is actually doing well.

I thought it was a guy from AIG? Could be wrong. He was a trader who specialised in energy trading. I hope he gets the money. It was in his work contract. He is due the $$$.

710 SixDegrees  Sun, Aug 2, 2009 6:04:56am

re: #702 Cannadian Club Akbar

You forgot to add that Nancy Pelosi said she is gonna take insurance company profits. Guess she doesn't get the fact that regular folk have 401(k)s

It will be interesting to see how Pelosi's future unfolds. She has seriously damaged her credibility as Speaker over the health care bill, and it was shaky to begin with. She has a real talent for alienating all the parties involved and at inciting divisiveness.

She's also a major roadblock standing in the way of the Administration's proposed attacks on California, such as withholding their stimulus funds over the imposition of a cut in state union worker's pay. Once the WH figured out that they weren't actually in the palace of an Emperor and would need to get Congressional approval to enact a rewrite of the already-passed stimulus bill, Nancy's opposition to such punitive action became yet another stone around her neck.

Lots of enemies and very few friends.

711 bbuddha  Sun, Aug 2, 2009 6:06:28am

re: #709 Erik The Red

Exactly, a deal is a deal. one of the things the msm forgot to mention when they were castigating the aig execs for taking bonuses was that a couple of them were working for an annual salary of $1. that bonus was definately due to them

712 King of the Douche, now you may bow  Sun, Aug 2, 2009 6:06:52am

re: #709 Erik The Red

I thought it was a guy from AIG? Could be wrong. He was a trader who specialised in energy trading. I hope he gets the money. It was in his work contract. He is due the $$$.

I think the CITI guy was an energy trader as well.

713 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sun, Aug 2, 2009 6:08:57am

Good Morning Lizards! It's a pleasant, sunny and coolish August morning in the Very Far western Suburbs of Chicagoland.

A drive-by to wish you all a great Sunday!

714 SixDegrees  Sun, Aug 2, 2009 6:09:16am

re: #709 Erik The Red

I thought it was a guy from AIG? Could be wrong. He was a trader who specialised in energy trading. I hope he gets the money. It was in his work contract. He is due the $$$.

Correct, in the sense that bonus compensation is typically governed by contract, and if the terms of the contract are met then it needs to be honored. Period. If new information reveals the terms to be unpleasant to one side or the other, that information can be taken into account when future contracts are negotiated. But trying to change the rules after one party has already received the stated benefits of the agreement and not fulfilling the other party's terms is criminal.

715 BARACK THE VOTE  Sun, Aug 2, 2009 6:12:18am

re: #704 Flyers1974

Do we know why Obama bit on that question? Just an impulsive f' up or bad tactical move? Weird, he's nothing if not cautious. Glad love is in the air between the cop/professor. Does anyone think health care reform will ever get passed? I love Palin.

Again, I'll get downdinged for this, but here is the real deal---

The Gates arrest happened on July 16th. It was big news for people in academia and people in the lib/prog sphere, and people in the civil rights community.

It was talked about all over the place; it was already national news within these communites.And had made some national headlines.

But many people, and certainly many people here, never heard about it until Obama mentioned it. Many people didn't know who Gates was at all until this happened.
(NOTE: I am NOT criticising people for that, just pointing out that there's this disparity in information loops,)

Obama mentioned it because it WAS already national news and had been since the 16th-- and he was asked a question, at the presser, by lynn sweet of the chicago-- (tribune? I think? or sun-times?)-- it was literally the last question asked, and I feel she asked it because all the other good questions had been asked. in the presser.

Obama responded impulsively and emotionally-- it was really the most emotion he displayed in the presser.

I'll leave it at this for the moment.

716 bbuddha  Sun, Aug 2, 2009 6:13:47am

Gotta go, yardwork to do do before it starts raining...again!

717 SasquatchOnSteroids  Sun, Aug 2, 2009 6:14:59am

Anyone seen 3-wood lately ?
Missing his posts.

718 SixDegrees  Sun, Aug 2, 2009 6:16:35am

re: #717 SasquatchOnSteroids

Anyone seen 3-wood lately ?
Missing his posts.

He's been absent for the last week or so. I'm guessing vacation, although he never mentioned anything.

719 Flyers1974  Sun, Aug 2, 2009 6:17:54am

re: #715 iceweasel

I see what your saying. I'm guessing he didn't have any evil intent, and at any rate it seems way overblown. But whatever the case, given that there was/is no way to prove what happened there, he put himself into a pretty difficult position. I just wonder why he wasn't prepared for the possibility that question would be asked and have a harmless response at the ready, i.e., love peace happiness, blah, blah, blah.

720 SasquatchOnSteroids  Sun, Aug 2, 2009 6:18:02am

re: #718 SixDegrees

He's been absent for the last week or so. I'm guessing vacation, although he never mentioned anything.

Could be. That time of the year.

721 Flyers1974  Sun, Aug 2, 2009 6:24:03am

re: #719 Flyers1974

I see what your saying. I'm guessing he didn't have any evil intent, and at any rate it seems way overblown. But whatever the case, given that there was/is no way to prove what happened there, he put himself into a pretty difficult position. I just wonder why he wasn't prepared for the possibility that question would be asked and have a harmless response at the ready, i.e., love peace happiness, blah, blah, blah.

Or at least punted, i.e., this press conference is limited to health care, ask me again later or something.

722 BARACK THE VOTE  Sun, Aug 2, 2009 6:24:53am

re: #719 Flyers1974

I see what your saying. I'm guessing he didn't have any evil intent, and at any rate it seems way overblown. But whatever the case, given that there was/is no way to prove what happened there, he put himself into a pretty difficult position. I just wonder why he wasn't prepared for the possibility that question would be asked and have a harmless response at the ready, i.e., love peace happiness, blah, blah, blah.


Well-- but his answer wasn't overblown. Wasn't weird. Would have been accepted if made by another politician.

Crowley should not have arrested Gates. And in another time, conservatives would have completely agreed with that.

Here's libertarian Reason and also Hitchens pointing out the real issue: nothing to do with race, everything to do with police power:

The Henry Louis Gates "Teaching Moment"
Put the race talk aside: the issue here is abuse of police power, and misplaced deference to authority

A Man's Home Is His Constitutional Castle

IMO, the best things written on this whole debacle

723 SasquatchOnSteroids  Sun, Aug 2, 2009 6:26:30am

re: #721 Flyers1974

Or at least punted, i.e., this press conference is limited to health care, ask me again later or something.

I'm glad he answered it. The mask slips a bit further.

724 SixDegrees  Sun, Aug 2, 2009 6:27:23am

re: #719 Flyers1974

I see what your saying. I'm guessing he didn't have any evil intent, and at any rate it seems way overblown. But whatever the case, given that there was/is no way to prove what happened there, he put himself into a pretty difficult position. I just wonder why he wasn't prepared for the possibility that question would be asked and have a harmless response at the ready, i.e., love peace happiness, blah, blah, blah.

Two things: first, it was the content of his answer that caused problems - his statement that he didn't have all the facts, but the police were stupid, indicated an unpleasant prejudice to his answer. It instantly turned it into an Al Sharpton moment. The nature of the answer was viewed by a whole lot of people as a toss of the race card onto the table, from a President they hoped had moved beyond such things.

Second, I believe he was well prepared to answer the question. But he's surrounded himself with people of a particular bent who exclude views unlike their own, and his answer was formulated to appeal to them instead of to the public at large. He's in the process of walling himself off from the public - staging questions at press conferences; controlling attendance and comments at "town hall" meetings that are anything but open; he's withdrawing into an echo chamber. When even Helen Thomas castigates him for doing end runs behind the media, something is clearly amiss.

725 A Man for all Seasons  Sun, Aug 2, 2009 6:28:24am

Good Morning Lizards!
How is everyone this fine day?

726 JacksonTn  Sun, Aug 2, 2009 6:29:11am

re: #431 iceweasel

The fact that you think ANY link calling Maddow, or anyone else, a "psychotic lesbian" is something worth posting says everything I need to know about you.

You're a bully, and a freak.
We're done.

IW ... Pink is not a bully or a freak ...

727 albusteve  Sun, Aug 2, 2009 6:30:18am

good news for illegal aliens and La Raza


[Link: www.chron.com...]

728 BARACK THE VOTE  Sun, Aug 2, 2009 6:30:33am

re: #725 HoosierHoops

Good Morning Lizards!
How is everyone this fine day?

Hoops! Have you checked your email?

How's your weekend?

In other news, I am hoping I can be one of the ghostwriters for your autobiography.

"The Audacity of Hoop" seemed like a good title to me.

//

729 SasquatchOnSteroids  Sun, Aug 2, 2009 6:32:53am

re: #725 HoosierHoops

Good Morning Lizards!
How is everyone this fine day?

Urgent Send Help Immediately Stop Unruly Dog and Crazed Child trashing my house Stop Coffee IV not working Stop

Good, Hoops, how's your morning ?

730 BARACK THE VOTE  Sun, Aug 2, 2009 6:33:39am

re: #726 JacksonTn

IW ... Pink is not a bully or a freak ...

Wanna call Maddow a "psychotic lesbian", like she did?

Sorry. Anyone who thinks it's normal to call Rachel Maddow a "psychotic lesbian" is a freak. And yes, Pink is a bully.

731 A Man for all Seasons  Sun, Aug 2, 2009 6:35:06am

re: #728 iceweasel

Hoops! Have you checked your email?

How's your weekend?

In other news, I am hoping I can be one of the ghostwriters for your autobiography.

"The Audacity of Hoop" seemed like a good title to me.

//

Good Morning...Thanks for the email..very nice...
I'll be at the cabin this evening up north..Fly out at 4pm
Speaking of Hoops...I'm trying to talk Larry Bird into doing a Pacer Preseason game for Charity for our troops by donating the proceeds to
buy gifts to send overseas to our hero's..
I'm calling it hoops for troops.

732 A Man for all Seasons  Sun, Aug 2, 2009 6:36:45am

re: #729 SasquatchOnSteroids

Urgent Send Help Immediately Stop Unruly Dog and Crazed Child trashing my house Stop Coffee IV not working Stop

Good, Hoops, how's your morning ?

LOL! I'm on Vacation! Drink more coffee!
Glad you are well

733 albusteve  Sun, Aug 2, 2009 6:38:24am

re: #730 iceweasel

Wanna call Maddow a "psychotic lesbian", like she did?

Sorry. Anyone who thinks it's normal to call Rachel Maddow a "psychotic lesbian" is a freak. And yes, Pink is a bully.

at least Maddow not a nirther...they really are insane!...right?

734 BARACK THE VOTE  Sun, Aug 2, 2009 6:38:45am

re: #731 HoosierHoops

Good Morning...Thanks for the email..very nice...
I'll be at the cabin this evening up north..Fly out at 4pm
Speaking of Hoops...I'm trying to talk Larry Bird into doing a Pacer Preseason game for Charity for our troops by donating the proceeds to
buy gifts to send overseas to our hero's..
I'm calling it hoops for troops.

That's awesome! And I LOVE the name!

I can't remember but I think you've posted about your various charity efforts for the troops before; do you have a paypal or something for this? I'm sure lots of people here would want to donate to that too!

735 BARACK THE VOTE  Sun, Aug 2, 2009 6:39:23am

re: #733 albusteve

at least Maddow not a nirther...they really are insane!...right?

Yes, they are. Nirthers are insane.

736 BignJames  Sun, Aug 2, 2009 6:39:46am

re: #730 iceweasel

Wanna call Maddow a "psychotic lesbian", like she did?

Sorry. Anyone who thinks it's normal to call Rachel Maddow a "psychotic lesbian" is a freak. And yes, Pink is a bully.

I didn't see where Pink called Maddow that...Pink posted the link that called her that.

737 BARACK THE VOTE  Sun, Aug 2, 2009 6:41:49am

re: #736 BignJames

I didn't see where Pink called Maddow that...Pink posted the link that called her that.

Pink chose to title the link that. Pink chose to link to something that called Maddow that.

Sorry. Claiming "I only posted a link" doesn't work.

738 SasquatchOnSteroids  Sun, Aug 2, 2009 6:41:49am

Nirther Psychotic Lesbians of the Caliphate are oppressing me !

BIAB.

739 JacksonTn  Sun, Aug 2, 2009 6:42:19am

re: #730 iceweasel

Wanna call Maddow a "psychotic lesbian", like she did?

Sorry. Anyone who thinks it's normal to call Rachel Maddow a "psychotic lesbian" is a freak. And yes, Pink is a bully.

IW ... Maddow is a lesbian ... and if I want to call her a psychotic lesbian it is my right to do so ... but I have not ... and neither did Pink ... she only posted a link ...

740 albusteve  Sun, Aug 2, 2009 6:42:29am

re: #735 iceweasel

Yes, they are. Nirthers are insane.

what a juvenile double standard...get over yourself

741 A Man for all Seasons  Sun, Aug 2, 2009 6:43:43am

re: #734 iceweasel

That's awesome! And I LOVE the name!

I can't remember but I think you've posted about your various charity efforts for the troops before; do you have a paypal or something for this? I'm sure lots of people here would want to donate to that too!

Until the blood sucking lawyers are done fucking me I can't legally accept money for charity. We are about 90 days away or so...
My Charity will be for feeding children...
I had stars in my eyes when i started this...I'm pretty jaded at this point

742 BignJames  Sun, Aug 2, 2009 6:44:03am

re: #737 iceweasel

Pink chose to title the link that. Pink chose to link to something that called Maddow that.

Sorry. Claiming "I only posted a link" doesn't work.


Oh...ok.

743 BARACK THE VOTE  Sun, Aug 2, 2009 6:44:16am

re: #739 JacksonTn

IW ... Maddow is a lesbian ... and if I want to call her a psychotic lesbian it is my right to do so ... but I have not ... and neither did Pink ... she only posted a link ...

Bullshit.

And I'm done discussing this, as I said earlier, and should have stuck to.

BTW, why don't you keep posting that link with that title? I bet that will go over well.

744 BARACK THE VOTE  Sun, Aug 2, 2009 6:44:46am

re: #742 BignJames

Oh...ok.

Sorry, don't mean to be nasty to you about this.

745 Erik The Red  Sun, Aug 2, 2009 6:44:51am

re: #725 HoosierHoops

Good Morning Lizards!
How is everyone this fine day?

Hey 2H. All is great here. The clock does seem to be dragging this morning tho. Enjoy your fishing trip today. :)

746 albusteve  Sun, Aug 2, 2009 6:44:52am

Barak Obama is insane...he believes in ideas that are not real...he sees truth in falsehoods...flat out crazy

747 haakondahl  Sun, Aug 2, 2009 6:44:57am

re: #722 iceweasel

Well-- but his answer wasn't overblown. Wasn't weird. Would have been accepted if made by another politician.

Crowley should not have arrested Gates. And in another time, conservatives would have completely agreed with that.

Here's libertarian Reason and also Hitchens pointing out the real issue: nothing to do with race, everything to do with police power:

The Henry Louis Gates "Teaching Moment"
Put the race talk aside: the issue here is abuse of police power, and misplaced deference to authority

A Man's Home Is His Constitutional Castle

IMO, the best things written on this whole debacle

Sorry, but Gates did give his neighbors reason to call the police, and then proceeded to abuse the police when they got there. That earns you a trip to the pokey. Don't care who you are. You don't have to be a Harvard perfesser to know that you don't give the police a ration of crap.
And you don't have to be particularly intelligent to shut up about things you know nothing about.
Part of the home being the castle is knowing that if somebody is breaking in, the police are empowered to figure out what is going on, with no "your Mama" smack talk.

748 Gang of One  Sun, Aug 2, 2009 6:45:23am

Good morning all. Can I play, too?

749 JacksonTn  Sun, Aug 2, 2009 6:45:51am

re: #742 BignJames

Oh...ok.

BnJ ... no the video is titled that way ...

Video: MSNBC psychotic lesbian Rachel Maddow complains Obama cabinet not communist enough ..

Here is the link and I don't care if IW likes it or not it is in defense of Pink ...

[Link: www.mofopolitics.com...]

750 A Man for all Seasons  Sun, Aug 2, 2009 6:46:24am

re: #745 Erik The Red

Hey 2H. All is great here. The clock does seem to be dragging this morning tho. Enjoy your fishing trip today. :)

Doesn't your family fly in while I fly out? I'll bet you are excited today!

751 BARACK THE VOTE  Sun, Aug 2, 2009 6:46:38am

re: #741 HoosierHoops

Until the blood sucking lawyers are done fucking me I can't legally accept money for charity. We are about 90 days away or so...
My Charity will be for feeding children...
I had stars in my eyes when i started this...I'm pretty jaded at this point

Ugh, I'm so sorry to hear that!

Keep me posted. You know I'll have your back, as will many people here I'm sure!

752 Gang of One  Sun, Aug 2, 2009 6:46:41am

re: #746 albusteve

Barak Obama is insane...he believes in ideas that are not real...he sees truth in falsehoods...flat out crazy

Steve, do you think he's insane in a clinical sense, or just hopelessly naive and therefore dangerous?

753 reine.de.tout  Sun, Aug 2, 2009 6:47:00am

re: #736 BignJames

I didn't see where Pink called Maddow that...Pink posted the link that called her that.

I don't particularly like the title of that clip, but Pink has a point of view and she posts things in support of that point of view, as does everybody. I don't think that makes her a bully . . . I know Pink, she is not a bully; she has very strong opinions, yes, but she is not a bully.

754 CynicalConservative  Sun, Aug 2, 2009 6:47:43am

re: #752 Gang of One

Steve, do you think he's insane in a clinical sense, or just hopelessly naive and therefore dangerous?

Sounds like a good definition of a liberal/proggie to me.

755 BignJames  Sun, Aug 2, 2009 6:49:16am

re: #749 JacksonTn

Yeah, I know...just 'cuz I post a link doesn't mean I agree with the sentiments expressed within...unless I state as much...and I think Pink posted the link's title to make a point...it wasn't personal.

756 albusteve  Sun, Aug 2, 2009 6:49:31am

re: #752 Gang of One

Steve, do you think he's insane in a clinical sense, or just hopelessly naive and therefore dangerous?

clinically...he should be in a straight jacket, locked in a dark room...hahaha!...
who cares...that's just as dishonest as calling Pink a freak and a bully

757 albusteve  Sun, Aug 2, 2009 6:50:39am

re: #754 CynicalConservative

Sounds like a good definition of a liberal/proggie to me.

utterly perfect...for proof just look around you

758 A Man for all Seasons  Sun, Aug 2, 2009 6:51:03am

re: #753 reine.de.tout

Good Morning Reine!
Where is my gov't money...Cash for Beemers!

759 BARACK THE VOTE  Sun, Aug 2, 2009 6:53:14am

re: #749 JacksonTn

BnJ ... no the video is titled that way ...

Video: MSNBC psychotic lesbian Rachel Maddow complains Obama cabinet not communist enough ..

Here is the link and I don't care if IW likes it or not it is in defense of Pink ...

[Link: www.mofopolitics.com...]

Yes, a site called "mofo politics", with the banner "working to put Obama behind bars in Guantanamo Bay" is clearly a great source. Featuring videos calling rachel maddow a "psychotic lesbian" is just an accident.

Seriously, I suggest no one try to defend that site or that link. Let us drop it and move on in silence, ok?

I chose not to point out pink's source initially-- but you brought it up, so there you go.

Not a good link, not a good title, not a good site. Let's move on and not dwell.

760 [deleted]  Sun, Aug 2, 2009 6:54:28am
761 reine.de.tout  Sun, Aug 2, 2009 6:54:35am

re: #758 HoosierHoops

Good Morning Reine!
Where is my gov't money...Cash for Beemers!

Morning, HH!

In February, I traded in my Toyota for a Lincoln. But more solidly built car.
It was an '08 model, and the dealer had already taken $9000 off the price . . . I got my fully tricked-out Lincoln for less than what a new Toyota would have cost.

So I will NOT be taking advantage of the cash for clunkers deal. I got a better deal without it.

762 JacksonTn  Sun, Aug 2, 2009 6:55:03am

re: #759 iceweasel

Yes, a site called "mofo politics", with the banner "working to put Obama behind bars in Guantanamo Bay" is clearly a great source. Featuring videos calling rachel maddow a "psychotic lesbian" is just an accident.

Seriously, I suggest no one try to defend that site or that link. Let us drop it and move on in silence, ok?

I chose not to point out pink's source initially-- but you brought it up, so there you go.

Not a good link, not a good title, not a good site. Let's move on and not dwell.

IW ... so what ... you link to sites I think are crazy many times ... and since it is now known that the video was titled that way and Pink did not make it up ... maybe you owe Pink an apology ... no matter what the source was ...

763 Gang of One  Sun, Aug 2, 2009 6:55:14am

re: #754 CynicalConservative

Sounds like a good definition of a liberal/proggie to me.


re: #756 albusteve

clinically...he should be in a straight jacket, locked in a dark room...hahaha!...
who cares...that's just as dishonest as calling Pink a freak and a bully


re: #757 albusteve

utterly perfect...for proof just look around you


Ouch.

764 SasquatchOnSteroids  Sun, Aug 2, 2009 6:56:09am

Mich. woman's begging to get smokes ends in arrest

DECATUR TOWNSHIP, Mich. – A 49-year-old southwestern Michigan woman who asked a sheriff's deputy to lend her money for cigarettes after just being told to stop begging by the deputy ended up behind bars.

765 albusteve  Sun, Aug 2, 2009 6:56:26am

re: #759 iceweasel

Yes, a site called "mofo politics", with the banner "working to put Obama behind bars in Guantanamo Bay" is clearly a great source. Featuring videos calling rachel maddow a "psychotic lesbian" is just an accident.

Seriously, I suggest no one try to defend that site or that link. Let us drop it and move on in silence, ok?

I chose not to point out pink's source initially-- but you brought it up, so there you go.

Not a good link, not a good title, not a good site. Let's move on and not dwell.

nice dodge...it's not a bout the link...it's about your bad attitude and name calling

766 reine.de.tout  Sun, Aug 2, 2009 6:56:51am

re: #759 iceweasel

Yes, a site called "mofo politics", with the banner "working to put Obama behind bars in Guantanamo Bay" is clearly a great source. Featuring videos calling rachel maddow a "psychotic lesbian" is just an accident.

Seriously, I suggest no one try to defend that site or that link. Let us drop it and move on in silence, ok?

I chose not to point out pink's source initially-- but you brought it up, so there you go.

Not a good link, not a good title, not a good site. Let's move on and not dwell.

I don't see anybody "defending" the link.
People are defending Pink against your characterization of her as a bully and a freak.
She is neither.

767 BARACK THE VOTE  Sun, Aug 2, 2009 6:56:56am

re: #762 JacksonTn

IW ... so what ... you link to sites I think are crazy many times ... and since it is now known that the video was titled that way and Pink did not make it up ... maybe you owe Pink an apology ... no matter what the source was ...

Keep defending it. :) Really.

I think you should keep reposting it and defending it. With that title. Go for it.

768 realwest  Sun, Aug 2, 2009 6:57:02am

Good morning y'all - from a coolish (73 degrees, going up to 78 degrees) lightly raining Charlotte! Big time T-Storms supposedly headed our way today and tonight!
How is everyone doing this morning?

769 BARACK THE VOTE  Sun, Aug 2, 2009 6:58:00am

re: #766 reine.de.tout

I don't see anybody "defending" the link.
People are defending Pink against your characterization of her as a bully and a freak.
She is neither.

Read the thread.

And thank Jackson TN for dragging it up, and reposting that link.

770 A Man for all Seasons  Sun, Aug 2, 2009 6:58:16am

re: #761 reine.de.tout

Morning, HH!

In February, I traded in my Toyota for a Lincoln. But more solidly built car.
It was an '08 model, and the dealer had already taken $9000 off the price . . . I got my fully tricked-out Lincoln for less than what a new Toyota would have cost.

So I will NOT be taking advantage of the cash for clunkers deal. I got a better deal without it.

Nice! My dream car is a yellow convertible Beemer..Mrs. hoopster has threatened me with Divorce if I do.. So it's really a win-win situation..
*wink*

771 Gang of One  Sun, Aug 2, 2009 6:58:26am

Good morning Real! Good to see you back here. We have the same weather/forecast up here in the NYC/Northern NJ area. How are you feeling? How's your mom doing?

772 A Man for all Seasons  Sun, Aug 2, 2009 6:58:59am

re: #768 realwest

Good morning y'all - from a coolish (73 degrees, going up to 78 degrees) lightly raining Charlotte! Big time T-Storms supposedly headed our way today and tonight!
How is everyone doing this morning?

Good morning my friend..
How are you feeling today?

773 redstateredneck  Sun, Aug 2, 2009 6:59:02am

re: #768 realwest

Hey, {real}..just lurking as I ready myself for church. Raining here. I'd like to have slept in this morning but couldn't do that.

774 [deleted]  Sun, Aug 2, 2009 6:59:07am
775 Gus  Sun, Aug 2, 2009 6:59:19am

Someone needs a time out.

776 Gang of One  Sun, Aug 2, 2009 6:59:19am

re: #770 HoosierHoops

Nice! My dream car is a yellow convertible Beemer..Mrs. hoopster has threatened me with Divorce if I do.. So it's really a win-win situation..
*wink*

Perhaps it's the yellow. How about a more subdued color -- like silver?

777 Erik The Red  Sun, Aug 2, 2009 6:59:33am

re: #768 realwest

Good morning y'all - from a coolish (73 degrees, going up to 78 degrees) lightly raining Charlotte! Big time T-Storms supposedly headed our way today and tonight!
How is everyone doing this morning?

Hey rw. I hope you are doing well. You have been missed and asked about a lot over the last couple of days. God Bless and keep strong.

778 avanti  Sun, Aug 2, 2009 7:00:16am

Good morning all, did you see the news about the remains of the Navy pilot Michael "Scott" Speicher being found ?


link.

779 haakondahl  Sun, Aug 2, 2009 7:00:22am

Pink & all, I wouldn't post any more of that God-Awful site here. "MoFo" whatever looks like exactly the type of neanderthal crap Charles doesn't want around here, and a site with its racism so thinly veiled as to be another contempt in itself is not exactly contributing to our national conversation.

(Just thought I'd throw in some Obama verbage for extra sauce).

780 Henchman Ghazi-808  Sun, Aug 2, 2009 7:00:25am

re: #722 iceweasel

Well-- but his answer wasn't overblown. Wasn't weird. Would have been accepted if made by another politician.

Crowley should not have arrested Gates. And in another time, conservatives would have completely agreed with that.

Here's libertarian Reason and also Hitchens pointing out the real issue: nothing to do with race, everything to do with police power:

The Henry Louis Gates "Teaching Moment"
Put the race talk aside: the issue here is abuse of police power, and misplaced deference to authority

A Man's Home Is His Constitutional Castle

IMO, the best things written on this whole debacle

I only made it half way through the Reason article. I ironic that it was from a magazine called Reason: one if the worst articles I ever read from Reason. They were both right in that the issue had nothing to do about race, but they were both wrong in that 'it had everything to do with 'police power' and 'a man's constitutional castle.' Give me a break. This is another form of the assumption that free speech is being able to say anything you want at any time, in this case much more license since it's on your own property. Hitchens experiences with cops have nothing to do with the issue and have everything to do with putting the cops on trial.

For whatever reason the Cambridge Police decided to drop the Disorderly charge, that in and of itself did not mean it wasn't an 'arrestable moment.' Whether or not Gates was disorderly within the eyes of the law, in practicality he was being disorderly by definition and that is undeniable. Freedom of speech does not mean you have a right to be an asshole to a cop while he doing cop business: investigating a report of a crime. The incident seems to have started inside Gates' home and evolved outside: there is evidence Gates followed Crowley outside and continue the engagement even though Crowley was probably sure Gates was the homeowner.

He should have kept his damn mouth shut or calmed the hell down. Obama should have kept his mouth shut and I hope this was a teachable moment for himself as well. I'd like to hear what other politician (conservative) would have and could have said these things in another time to a different outcome.

781 realwest  Sun, Aug 2, 2009 7:00:42am

re: #771 Gang of One
Good morning - thanks! I'm doing ok - although I'm still tired and fatigued and trying to keep up with you youngin's out here! Mom is doing fine, thanks!

How are y'all doing?

782 A Man for all Seasons  Sun, Aug 2, 2009 7:01:02am

re: #776 Gang of One

Perhaps it's the yellow. How about a more subdued color -- like silver?

It's exactly the color...I can't let it go...LOL
/I tease her but I'd never drive a yellow car..I like driving her crazy

783 JacksonTn  Sun, Aug 2, 2009 7:01:04am

re: #769 iceweasel

Read the thread.

And thank Jackson TN for dragging it up, and reposting that link.

IW ... I dragged it up because you said something about someone that was not true and you know it ...

Now I am off to feed the tax machine ...

784 Gang of One  Sun, Aug 2, 2009 7:01:29am

re: #778 avanti

Good morning all, did you see the news about the remains of the Navy pilot Michael "Scott" Speicher being found ?

link.

R.I.P. Closure for the family.

785 realwest  Sun, Aug 2, 2009 7:01:30am

re: #772 HoosierHoops
Hey Hoops, good morning back atcha! How are ya today?

786 [deleted]  Sun, Aug 2, 2009 7:01:37am
787 haakondahl  Sun, Aug 2, 2009 7:01:39am

re: #768 realwest

Good morning y'all - from a coolish (73 degrees, going up to 78 degrees) lightly raining Charlotte! Big time T-Storms supposedly headed our way today and tonight!
How is everyone doing this morning?

Real! Howinnaheckarya?

788 SasquatchOnSteroids  Sun, Aug 2, 2009 7:01:49am

re: #768 realwest

Morning, big guy.

789 BARACK THE VOTE  Sun, Aug 2, 2009 7:01:54am

re: #779 haakondahl

Pink & all, I wouldn't post any more of that God-Awful site here. "MoFo" whatever looks like exactly the type of neanderthal crap Charles doesn't want around here, and a site with its racism so thinly veiled as to be another contempt in itself is not exactly contributing to our national conversation.

(Just thought I'd throw in some Obama verbage for extra sauce).


BINGO.

Also, liking the Obama verbiage mockery.

790 Flyers1974  Sun, Aug 2, 2009 7:02:19am

re: #724 SixDegrees

Two things: first, it was the content of his answer that caused problems - his statement that he didn't have all the facts, but the police were stupid, indicated an unpleasant prejudice to his answer. It instantly turned it into an Al Sharpton moment. The nature of the answer was viewed by a whole lot of people as a toss of the race card onto the table, from a President they hoped had moved beyond such things.

Second, I believe he was well prepared to answer the question. But he's surrounded himself with people of a particular bent who exclude views unlike their own, and his answer was formulated to appeal to them instead of to the public at large. He's in the process of walling himself off from the public - staging questions at press conferences; controlling attendance and comments at "town hall" meetings that are anything but open; he's withdrawing into an echo chamber. When even Helen Thomas castigates him for doing end runs behind the media, something is clearly amiss.

I've been out of the loop on this so I'm not in a position to have a strong opinion. My instinct tells me there are three obvious possibilities: the cop screwed up, the professor screwed up, or both screwed up. Politically, its hard to see how Obama didn't screw up - the purpose of the press conference was defeated and its impossible to convince those who aren't partisans in Obama's favor that it was the cop who screwed up. I think I disagree that Obama surrounds himself with those types of people - although I also think that presidents in this day and age do get "walled off," as you say from the people - but I think this is a reality of th eposition to some extent. Personally, I believe Obama would be happy if he never had to deal with racial issues ever again in his presidency - he can only stand to lose, not win, with any racial issue given electorial realities, I think.

791 wahabicorridor  Sun, Aug 2, 2009 7:02:28am

Good morning again lizardia! Here is the weekly prayer list. Please sent updates to prayerlist96@yahoo.com

Lizard Prayer List 8/02/09
Prayers for thanks, praise, comfort, strength, healing, and hope
Seeking Updates
Many thanks to Ben Z and Cap'n Doc for starting this.
Part 1 of 3:
Community issues:
Blessing and protection over all of us during these times.
Our government
Our troops
Israel
Georgia/Ossetia
Gilad Schalit, for his release.
The contractors still held hostage
Brian at Snapped Shot: for justice
The Iranian “dissidents”
Thanksgivings
mikeymom: sister recovering from a stroke; D-i-L’s stepdad – throat cancer; and
son of a good friend-50 yrs old- having 1/3 of face removed and reconstructed next week-cancer.
Uncle Rancher: 17-year-old nephew had treatment for melanoma
Afrocity Brown: outpatient surgery went very well
bbuddha: mother-in-law doing much better
HoosierHoops: son Jordan deployed to Japan instead of Afghanistan & grandchild on the way
Vxbush: health issues diagnosed
Wolfie: nephew (USAR-spec ops) got home from Iraq a couple of months ago safe and sound, and he and his wife are expecting their second child.
eschew_obfuscation: family’s health and happiness
Empire1: out of the hospital after suffering a stroke, practically fully recovered
Loppyd: future plans
Irish Rose – Son doing ok and out of danger from illness; automobile problems resolved.
MNSnowlizard - No need for further heart surgery, prayers for her and her family’s good health
Fluffy Bunny – tumor turned out to be benign!
RememberSekhmet – got a job!
Floral Giraffe - Mother just had successful pacemaker inplanted.

792 wahabicorridor  Sun, Aug 2, 2009 7:03:18am

Part 2 of 3 08/02/09
Health issues:
Mikeymom: husband’s cousin's hubby just diagnosed w/lung and brain cancer
loppyd: Brother’s knee injury and future m-i-l’s broken hip.
vagabond trader: friend’s mother fighting cancer
(cont'd)
littleoldlady: talloldman
Pietr: Aunt Doris in hospital with poor prognosis; b-i-l Roscoe undergoing Chemotherapy
J.D.: diagnosed friend's son as having a Glioma
Doppelganglander: Passing of sister, best friend Cindy diagnosed with MS
NY Nana: son-in-law’s mum, recovering from amputation
CapeCoddah: boss John R
Iron Fist: diabetes not improving
yma o hyd: glaucoma; may need surgery; arthritis
ArmyWife: FIL just diagnosed with leukemia; good friend’s daughter dealing with issues.
UberInfidel67 and other Lizards who are trying to quit smoking
Chicago Blonde: friend battling cancer
Macker: health issues and treatment
Hoppes: has sick children, lost her MIL, and is very stressed
UberInfidel67: brother’s health after polyps removal
Aussiemagpie: children with health issues
Walter Cronanty: son with recurrence of leukemia & recovering from bone marrow transplant.
logboy: recovery from injuries received in combat in Iraq
gettinby: sister diagnosed with Sjogren’s Syndrome
Pingjockey – cancer down by voice box.
tfc3rid: gf's 89 year old grandmother (suffered a large stroke and is in rehab) and her uncle who is suffering from throat cancer; and continued prayers for dad who has MS
twincitiesgirl: husband fighting cancer
Cato the elder: health issues
Josephine: daughter diagnosed with rare, chronic illness
jamsler: sister, just diagnosed with thyroid cancer; father, getting biopsy of a possible malignancy in his throat.
CoCo: mother paralyzed (due to strokes) and is now having new health problems
gop_patriot: friend’s 8-year-old son starting chemo
Pingjockey: friend Bob with a carcinoma, recovering from surgery
jorline: scleritis (eye disease), rheumatoid arthritis; father who has colon cancer
realwest: metastasizing prostate cancer; mom Type II diabetes
AKAK: Parkinson’s diagnosis confirmed
eaglewingz08: intestinal cancer; has bad case of Grave’s disease, thyroid disorder
Noamsayin: niece and dad battling cancer
Truck Monkey: Brady (11-year-old with brain cancer who is on the football team he coaches)
Shaky Louie: chronic pancriatitis, and an (as yet) undiagnosed liver problem.
newsjunkie_ky: Step-Dad
Sarah: dad (cancer);
Zonie: cancer and renal failure
kcladderman: father’s throat cancer; just finisher second round of radiation
Clutch: 82-year-old mom’s recovery from eye surgery
BBev: wife’s illness and great pain, having gone from bad to worse
Kenneth: beloved daughter "M" serious chronic illness.
Cartman: liver and other health problems
Irene NYC: mom’s cancer
Outsidephilly – recovering from BAD flu and pneumonia
/cont’d

793 realwest  Sun, Aug 2, 2009 7:03:19am

re: #773 redstateredneck
Hey {red} good to see you - say, is that a new Avatar?
Too bad you couldn't sleep in - heck have them hold church in your home!
:)

794 Sharmuta  Sun, Aug 2, 2009 7:03:55am

I don't know what the deal is, but I will personally vouch for iceweasel's character. She has helped me personally with some issues, and she's shown me the aspect of herself that matters most- she has a good heart. Take issue with her politics, but leave out the character assassinations. She's like Killgore in some respects- you might not always agree with KT but you know his heart is in the right spot. It's the same with iceweasel, folks. Can we play nice? Thanks.

795 wahabicorridor  Sun, Aug 2, 2009 7:04:06am

Lizard Prayer List, cont’d: 08/02/09
Family, friend, and life situations:
Fat Bastard Vegetarian – Mother’s cancer has returned
Kawfytawk: the Springle family, who lost their father in Iraq.
Dustyvet: sudden loss of sister
loppyd: friend’s personal problems
Kawfytawk: caring for father
Teacake: emotional healing
BaseballMom57: husband’s passing; prayers for especially for their children.
ChildofMary: passing of husband, ElderZionist
US Beast: passing of mother
Vxbush: Lesion on Liver near vein, MRI scheduled; and one Lizard friend dealing with big issues
Army Green since '92: post has lost three soldiers in Afghanistan;
yma o hyd: death of dear friend Annie; ease the grief of friend who lost her husband of 59 years
Taqiyyotomist: strength in difficult times
FBV: that the unknowns find fulfillment
Vxbush: daughter’s financial issues
Yochanan: son in IDF
Bcgirl: sponsored child, Alia in Egypt
Wyatt Earp: Uncle Joe; prostate cancer returned
West Texas: brother’s decision
Victor_yugo: job
BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey: mom home from the hospital but may be regressing
A Kiwi Infidel: Natasha and her husband mourning the loss of the younger child.
MandyManners: Mother seriously ill and in hospital.
Cast Iron Magnolia: nephew, David, who's a Marine serving in Iraq
HHC 2-2 SCR: for those we lost and their family and friends and for thanks for those that are finally back and one for the safety of those still waiting to return.
lightsout: to make a wise decision
BeerDrinking VictoryMonkey: strength to overcome a personal issue, and for wisdom in discerning another one
Flynmudd: son deployed to Middle East
x-wing: son diagnosed with Asperger’s (mild autism)
Mars Needs Neocons: job
jcm: new 7th month foster daughter (previous foster daughter went to live with her grandma)
Josephine: painful loss
Jammiewearingfool: sister’s passing
David Simon: mom (Alzheimer's)
Intrepid: Mom has Alzheimer's and Intrepid is caretaker
conservgirl: atheist SPM, that he finds the Lord
Coz: Brother in law and wife in horrible motorcycle accident; wife passed away.
Pvt Bin Jammin – BIL’s son has Liver Cancer
soxfan4life – Uncle had heart attack, undergoing by-pass surgery
3 wood – Dana, friend of 3 wood and family, passed of cancer and is now in the arms of the Lord. Please pray for her 2 small children and husband.

ChristheProfessor – lost his brother to cancer recently.
Floral Giraffe – Uncle passed away this past week
Mamacares – health issues for a family member
Conservatisimnow – kidney stones and other related matters.
Bbhudda – Mother-in Law passed away recently.
Hutchip – son in US Army, just shipped out to the Middle East where he’ll be in Harm’s way
Lizards with family issues
Irish Rose: One of Top 5 candidates for a GREAT job!
Noraono: colleagues laid off in building industry
antiislamist: in need of prayers
lone_wolf_in_illinois: friends and family in Israel
Dianna: - mother- best possible outcome is hoped for.
GotC: strength for kids and her dealing with EH.
Danger close: general
zulubaby, Carl in Jerusalem, Mr Pol, Golden Jerusalem, basically all the minion in eretz Yisrael
Noam Saying: comfort for a lost brother
Buckeye Abroad: in the belly of the beast of Eurabia
nonic: general
yank in EU: general
MdiM: general
.
In Memoriam
Dublin(CA)Dude
USMC 1968
ElderZion
Obi Wan
All our Troops who have died protecting our Freedom and their families.

796 redstateredneck  Sun, Aug 2, 2009 7:04:08am

re: #791 wahabicorridor

Thanks for taking this over, {wahabi}
I shall cut and paste so I can pray for {each and every one} on this list.

797 realwest  Sun, Aug 2, 2009 7:04:17am

re: #775 Gus 802
Hey WHAT? I just got out here! whaddya I say?!

798 Gang of One  Sun, Aug 2, 2009 7:04:36am

re: #782 HoosierHoops

It's exactly the color...I can't let it go...LOL
/I tease her but I'd never drive a yellow car..I like driving her crazy

Tell her you'll put a meter in it, charge $2.50 for the first 4/9 mile and .50 for each additional 1/9 mile. She'll see you working, the car will pay itself off in a few years [unless you have to shell out 250K for a medallion] and you'll both be happy.
/end of problem.

799 Henchman Ghazi-808  Sun, Aug 2, 2009 7:04:57am

re: #737 iceweasel

Pink chose to title the link that. Pink chose to link to something that called Maddow that.

Sorry. Claiming "I only posted a link" doesn't work.

Pink copy/pasted the link title, something I've done many times.

800 Gus  Sun, Aug 2, 2009 7:05:00am

re: #797 realwest

Hey WHAT? I just got out here! whaddya I say?!

Nothing. ;) I just got here to and was looking at something.

801 redstateredneck  Sun, Aug 2, 2009 7:05:12am

re: #793 realwest

Hey {red} good to see you - say, is that a new Avatar?
Too bad you couldn't sleep in - heck have them hold church in your home!
:)

I've been trying on new avatars lately. Can't settle on one, though. You know how we women are! ! !

802 haakondahl  Sun, Aug 2, 2009 7:05:18am

Repeat from a coupla hunnert posts ago. I'l be in San Diego in a couple of days, for maybe a week. Love to meet anybody I could. Will coordinate on private thread.

803 King of the Douche, now you may bow  Sun, Aug 2, 2009 7:05:35am

re: #782 HoosierHoops

It's exactly the color...I can't let it go...LOL
/I tease her but I'd never drive a yellow car..I like driving her crazy


You should sneak out and buy some BRIGHT yellow sneakers.

804 Gus  Sun, Aug 2, 2009 7:05:38am

re: #800 Gus 802

Nothing. ;) I just got here to too and was looking at something.

805 Gang of One  Sun, Aug 2, 2009 7:06:11am

re: #781 realwest

Good morning - thanks! I'm doing ok - although I'm still tired and fatigued and trying to keep up with you youngin's out here! Mom is doing fine, thanks!

How are y'all doing?

I'm doing fine, Real. Getting over a really bad sunburn from a day at the Jersey shore last Sunday. Been catching up on my reading and now getting a few things in place and organized for the upcoming school year. We start on 9/02.

806 Flyers1974  Sun, Aug 2, 2009 7:06:35am

re: #766 reine.de.tout

I don't see anybody "defending" the link.
People are defending Pink against your characterization of her as a bully and a freak.
She is neither.

Although I have read posts where Pink called Ice Weasel a bully, which would be no less untrue.

807 albusteve  Sun, Aug 2, 2009 7:06:37am

Hoops dream machine...not bad actually


Image: bmw_m3_yellow_drawing_wallpaper.jpg

808 haakondahl  Sun, Aug 2, 2009 7:07:03am

re: #794 Sharmuta

I don't know what the deal is, but I will personally vouch for iceweasel's character. She has helped me personally with some issues, and she's shown me the aspect of herself that matters most- she has a good heart. Take issue with her politics, but leave out the character assassinations. She's like Killgore in some respects- you might not always agree with KT but you know his heart is in the right spot. It's the same with iceweasel, folks. Can we play nice? Thanks.

KT's heart may or may not be in the right place, and his head ain't looking exactly well-located, and I do disagree with him almost all the time, and while he is a drunk and a goat-fondler, especially on Thursdays, that doesn't mean that I don't like him just fine.

809 A Man for all Seasons  Sun, Aug 2, 2009 7:07:09am

re: #801 redstateredneck

I've been trying on new avatars lately. Can't settle on one, though. You know how we women are! ! !

Try the little black evening dress.. you can never go wrong..
*wink*

810 [deleted]  Sun, Aug 2, 2009 7:07:25am
811 haakondahl  Sun, Aug 2, 2009 7:09:03am

re: #809 HoosierHoops

Try the little black evening dress.. you can never go wrong..
*wink*

Less is truly more.

812 redstateredneck  Sun, Aug 2, 2009 7:09:12am

re: #809 HoosierHoops

Try the little black evening dress.. you can never go wrong..
*wink*

With a string of pearls. That just might be what I need!

813 BARACK THE VOTE  Sun, Aug 2, 2009 7:09:15am

re: #799 BigPapa

Pink copy/pasted the link title, something I've done many times.


Look at this

Sorry, the words "psychotic lesbian" ought to have set off a warning alarm for any decent person-- even without the evidence of the site itself.

814 A Man for all Seasons  Sun, Aug 2, 2009 7:09:26am

re: #798 Gang of One

Tell her you'll put a meter in it, charge $2.50 for the first 4/9 mile and .50 for each additional 1/9 mile. She'll see you working, the car will pay itself off in a few years [unless you have to shell out 250K for a medallion] and you'll both be happy.
/end of problem.

I hadn't thought of the Taxi angle...There goes my dreams of the ultimate car.
Damn Taxi's...Ok I'll go Silver but I'm not going to like it!
/

815 Sharmuta  Sun, Aug 2, 2009 7:09:29am

re: #802 haakondahl

Repeat from a coupla hunnert posts ago. I'l be in San Diego in a couple of days, for maybe a week. Love to meet anybody I could. Will coordinate on private thread.

I wish I could, Hon. Would love to buy you a beer more than just about anyone.

816 wahabicorridor  Sun, Aug 2, 2009 7:09:58am

re: #796 redstateredneck

Thanks for taking this over, {wahabi}
I shall cut and paste so I can pray for {each and every one} on this list.

my pleasure. No reason to cut and past tho'. email prayerlist96@yahoo.com and I'll send you the doc, no problemo.

817 reine.de.tout  Sun, Aug 2, 2009 7:10:19am

re: #806 Flyers1974

Although I have read posts where Pink called Ice Weasel a bully, which would be no less untrue.

I don't like the name-calling, and I don't do it. I don't like it no matter who does it. Since I know Pink, she and I have had discussions about this - it hasn't had to play out in a thread.

818 [deleted]  Sun, Aug 2, 2009 7:10:25am
819 BARACK THE VOTE  Sun, Aug 2, 2009 7:11:02am

re: #806 Flyers1974

Although I have read posts where Pink called Ice Weasel a bully, which would be no less untrue.

Bullshit. Sorry. Discrepancy here.

820 haakondahl  Sun, Aug 2, 2009 7:11:28am

re: #810 taxfreekiller

IMO
iceweasel

Straw and Mud, misdirection and msm liberal rehashed talking points.

So does this mean that you sometimes disagree with iceweasel? :-)

Actually, so do I a lot of the time, but she'll do the hard work to earn her keep. She'll engage in a reasonable conversation (even if it is about unreasonable conclusions), and she'll climb down if you can convince her she's wrong, unlike, say, me.

821 realwest  Sun, Aug 2, 2009 7:12:19am

re: #791 wahabicorridor
and
re: #792 wahabicorridor
and
re: #795 wahabicorridor

Thanks wahabi! Just an outstanding job, even if I do say so myself!
And once again folks - if y'all have any changes to The List, please send 'em to wahabi at prayerlist96@yahoo.com

822 redstateredneck  Sun, Aug 2, 2009 7:13:27am

re: #816 wahabicorridor

Will do. Thanks. Gotta run now. I can't get beautiful with one eye on the laptop and one eye on my makeup mirror!
Later, lizards.

823 haakondahl  Sun, Aug 2, 2009 7:13:40am

re: #815 Sharmuta

I wish I could, Hon. Would love to buy you a beer more than just about anyone.

Oh, I'll be buying the beer anyway, since I'm doing the inviting. Think of it as an ice cold tax break.

824 [deleted]  Sun, Aug 2, 2009 7:14:16am
825 Sharmuta  Sun, Aug 2, 2009 7:16:06am

re: #823 haakondahl

If you were going to be closer, I'd move heaven and hell to get there. Plans for Chicago anytime soon? I could get there reasonably, but San Diego is too far.

826 realwest  Sun, Aug 2, 2009 7:17:43am

re: #801 redstateredneck
Oh sure, but do you go out and buy new shoes for each new avatar? And a handbag to match? Huh?!?!
:)

827 Knitwit  Sun, Aug 2, 2009 7:18:34am

re: #795 wahabicorridor
Thanks to both you and realwest for continuing this List.

It's a lovely tradition, and to those like me who don't post often and to newcomers, it's clear that a lot of LGF history is encapsulated in these prayer requests.

828 reine.de.tout  Sun, Aug 2, 2009 7:19:06am

re: #826 realwest

Oh sure, but do you go out and buy new shoes for each new avatar? And a handbag to match? Huh?!?!
:)

Well, I have. Doesn't everybody?

829 Flyers1974  Sun, Aug 2, 2009 7:19:23am

re: #819 iceweasel

Bullshit. Sorry. Discrepancy here.

I'm a bit slow this morning, so I didn't get your meaning. I saw you were catching some criticism for calling Pink a bully, thus felt that in all fairness, it should be pointed out that she called you the same thing just the other day.

830 BARACK THE VOTE  Sun, Aug 2, 2009 7:19:45am

re: #828 reine.de.tout

Well, I have. Doesn't everybody?

Not in this economy, not any more. :(

831 A Man for all Seasons  Sun, Aug 2, 2009 7:20:23am

re: #828 reine.de.tout

Well, I have. Doesn't everybody?

Well...Dang it...I don't...LOL

832 reine.de.tout  Sun, Aug 2, 2009 7:22:18am

re: #830 iceweasel

Not in this economy, not any more. :(

If you notice, a lot of places are having all sorts of "sales", with an additional percentage off all items including sale items.

I like Chicos,and I got an e-mail coupon the other day for 20% off an entire purchase. 20% is huge for non-sale items. I've gotten similar offers from Talbots and other places. I wish I needed something! I think retailers are trying to sell things any way they can.

833 wahabicorridor  Sun, Aug 2, 2009 7:22:43am

re: #827 Knitwit

Hey you! I was told to expect an email from you but I haven't seen anything?

'ssup?

834 BARACK THE VOTE  Sun, Aug 2, 2009 7:23:12am

re: #829 Flyers1974

I'm a bit slow this morning, so I didn't get your meaning. I saw you were catching some criticism for calling Pink a bully, thus felt that in all fairness, it should be pointed out that she called you the same thing just the other day.

Quite. It's a specialty of hers.

You'll notice she also resorts to crying and running away and calling someone a 'bully' for making this post in this thread.

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

835 [deleted]  Sun, Aug 2, 2009 7:23:19am
836 realwest  Sun, Aug 2, 2009 7:25:24am

re: #831 HoosierHoops

Well...Dang it...I don't...LOL


That's not what I heard!
/

837 A Man for all Seasons  Sun, Aug 2, 2009 7:25:47am

re: #835 taxfreekiller

What do the Russians call , snowmobiles?

After a few Vodka's they call them Taxi's

838 jaunte  Sun, Aug 2, 2009 7:26:27am

аэросани

839 SasquatchOnSteroids  Sun, Aug 2, 2009 7:26:46am
840 BARACK THE VOTE  Sun, Aug 2, 2009 7:26:59am

re: #832 reine.de.tout

If you notice, a lot of places are having all sorts of "sales", with an additional percentage off all items including sale items.

I like Chicos,and I got an e-mail coupon the other day for 20% off an entire purchase. 20% is huge for non-sale items. I've gotten similar offers from Talbots and other places. I wish I needed something! I think retailers are trying to sell things any way they can.

I agree. Massive markdowns and direct mailing of coupons -- it's a little frightening, in a way. If you talk to people in retail or who own a retail business, it's very scary.

Someone here in economics will know how well this accords (or doesn't) with economic health, I guess...

841 A Man for all Seasons  Sun, Aug 2, 2009 7:27:23am

re: #836 realwest

That's not what I heard!
/

Does this dress make my ass look big? How the hell do women walk in high heels? I've got issues here.
/

842 broomer  Sun, Aug 2, 2009 7:28:18am

Sorry to go OT:
American Thinker wrote about Z-Street, the true Zionists answer to J-Street. I went over to their site and was impressed enough to join... until... I saw the bloglinks on the right side. AtlasShrugged is mentioned.

I've already posted on their website that their creditibily is destroyed even before getting off the ground. If Z-Street is important to you, please join me in convincing the Admin to disassociate with AtlasShrugged.
Z-Street

843 Henchman Ghazi-808  Sun, Aug 2, 2009 7:28:30am

re: #813 iceweasel

Look at this

Sorry, the words "psychotic lesbian" ought to have set off a warning alarm for any decent person-- even without the evidence of the site itself.

I don't know whether she's a lesbian or not but she does have a touch of Olberman's Disease and was going on another Guilty of Being Republican rant. I get your point but people say stupid hyberbolic shit all the time on the internet and you know that as well as I. I really haven't spent that much time there and don't know if I need to.

However, copy pasting the link didn't warrant Pink being called a freak. Spacejesus is a freak.

844 realwest  Sun, Aug 2, 2009 7:28:49am

re: #841 HoosierHoops

Does this dress make my ass look big? How the hell do women walk in high heels? I've got issues here.
/

I'll say! LOL! And no, that dress does NOT make your ass look big. At least no bigger than your other dresses do!

845 SasquatchOnSteroids  Sun, Aug 2, 2009 7:28:53am

re: #841 HoosierHoops

Does this dress make my ass look big? How the hell do women walk in high heels? I've got issues here.
/

Your slip is showing.

///

846 BlueRoses  Sun, Aug 2, 2009 7:30:07am

re: #778 avanti

Good morning all, did you see the news about the remains of the Navy pilot Michael "Scott" Speicher being found ?

link.

Too many good people lost.

847 avanti  Sun, Aug 2, 2009 7:30:36am

re: #835 taxfreekiller

What do the Russians call , snowmobiles?

Just reminded me of this:

"The United States supplied several thousand Studebaker 2.5 ton trucks to the USSR as Lend Lease equipment. The Studebaker was highly regarded by the Russians and was the favorite Fahrzeug for the BM-13 Katyusha rocket launcher. The word, Studebaker, became synonymous in Russian with truck."

848 Gang of One  Sun, Aug 2, 2009 7:30:48am

re: #841 HoosierHoops

Does this dress make my ass look big? How the hell do women walk in high heels? I've got issues here.
/

Nope. Your ass makes your ass look big. And the walking in heels takes balance and poise, it's not like regular walking. You gots ta swivel yer hips ...

849 [deleted]  Sun, Aug 2, 2009 7:31:36am
850 Henchman Ghazi-808  Sun, Aug 2, 2009 7:32:39am

re: #834 iceweasel

Ice, if you want to make a point, make it then link to the actual incident, not an editiorial post somebody else made about the incident.

However, I'd prefer to move on myself unless somebody is going to give me beer for getting involved.

851 realwest  Sun, Aug 2, 2009 7:33:02am

re: #832 reine.de.tout
Good morning reine! Hope you're well this morning!
And - although I've said it before, I think it bears repeating: this economy won't begin to turn around in any substantive way unless and until we can get people to work! There are far, FAR too many unemployed people and Far too many underemployed folks right now.
That's one reason why retailers appear to be giving stuff away at ridiculous prices; there just aren't as many folks around with disposable income and those that do are saving it because a lot of them are concerned about keeping their jobs.

852 realwest  Sun, Aug 2, 2009 7:34:37am

re: #839 SasquatchOnSteroids ROTFL!! Well that's one way to mass transit! LOL! How are you this morning my friend?

853 Mad Al-Jaffee  Sun, Aug 2, 2009 7:35:48am

Corazon Aquino RIP

[Link: www.google.com...]

854 wahabicorridor  Sun, Aug 2, 2009 7:36:21am

re: #843 BigPapa

I don't know whether she's a lesbian or not but she does have a touch of Olberman's Disease and was going on another Guilty of Being Republican rant. I get your point but people say stupid hyberbolic shit all the time on the internet and you know that as well as I. I really haven't spent that much time there and don't know if I need to.

However, copy pasting the link didn't warrant Pink being called a freak. Spacejesus is a freak.


Rachel is a lesbian. She set off my 'gaydar' the first time I saw her. Then, the Sunday NYT mag did a profile of her. She's very open about it. What I had not known is that she was a Rhoades scholar.

She seems to me to be someone I could have a beer with and enjoy the conversation.

But politcally, she is on Olberman's level. Olberman, as a matter of fact, was her mentor at MSNBC.

Which says a lot.

855 BlueRoses  Sun, Aug 2, 2009 7:36:45am

re: #842 broomer

Sorry to go OT:
American Thinker wrote about Z-Street, the true Zionists answer to J-Street. I went over to their site and was impressed enough to join... until... I saw the bloglinks on the right side. AtlasShrugged is mentioned.

I've already posted on their website that their creditibily is destroyed even before getting off the ground. If Z-Street is important to you, please join me in convincing the Admin to disassociate with AtlasShrugged.
Z-Street

What's wrong with Atlas Shrugged?

856 realwest  Sun, Aug 2, 2009 7:36:58am

re: #848 Gang of One
"You gots ta swivel yer hips ..." I assume this is something which you know about by, ah, observation?!

857 BlueRoses  Sun, Aug 2, 2009 7:37:27am

re: #848 Gang of One

Nope. Your ass makes your ass look big. And the walking in heels takes balance and poise, it's not like regular walking. You gots ta swivel yer hips ...

And not walk like a duck.

858 jaunte  Sun, Aug 2, 2009 7:37:32am

re: #851 realwest

Good morning realwest. Good to see you. Reading around the web about the healthcare debate I see a lot of venom directed at "profit-taking corporatist insurance companies." Maybe we'll be taking a look at government-run retail next.

859 SasquatchOnSteroids  Sun, Aug 2, 2009 7:37:59am

re: #851 realwest

Good morning reine! Hope you're well this morning!
And - although I've said it before, I think it bears repeating: this economy won't begin to turn around in any substantive way unless and until we can get people to work! There are far, FAR too many unemployed people and Far too many underemployed folks right now.
That's one reason why retailers appear to be giving stuff away at ridiculous prices; there just aren't as many folks around with disposable income and those that do are saving it because a lot of them are concerned about keeping their jobs.

Excellent. Those people get no press.

860 reine.de.tout  Sun, Aug 2, 2009 7:38:09am

re: #840 iceweasel

I agree. Massive markdowns and direct mailing of coupons -- it's a little frightening, in a way. If you talk to people in retail or who own a retail business, it's very scary.

Someone here in economics will know how well this accords (or doesn't) with economic health, I guess...

A lady I know who owns a boutique-style clothing shop told me that her July sales were down almost 40%. 40%!

She pays her bills, her suppliers, her employees, before she pays herself. If she can't pay herself, well, she'll have to go out of business, she can't live on nothing. And then the suppliers will have one less customer, her employees will be out of a job, the shopping center will have an empty store - it just rolls outward.

861 [deleted]  Sun, Aug 2, 2009 7:38:23am
862 haakondahl  Sun, Aug 2, 2009 7:38:43am

re: #855 BlueRoses

What's wrong with Atlas Shrugged?

So what do you think of Robert Spencer?

863 Gang of One  Sun, Aug 2, 2009 7:38:53am

re: #856 realwest

"You gots ta swivel yer hips ..." I assume this is something which you know about by, ah, observation?!

Yes.

864 realwest  Sun, Aug 2, 2009 7:39:00am

re: #850 BigPapa
Well it's a tad early for beer drinking, especially for an alcoholic like me, but I'll join you with an O'Douls!
Just for the sake of stopping conversation about someone who is no longer her to reply or defend herself, ya know?

865 Sharmuta  Sun, Aug 2, 2009 7:40:00am

re: #855 BlueRoses

What's wrong with Atlas Shrugged?

What's not wrong with pamela?

866 BARACK THE VOTE  Sun, Aug 2, 2009 7:40:12am

re: #850 BigPapa

Ice, if you want to make a point, make it then link to the actual incident, not an editiorial post somebody else made about the incident.

However, I'd prefer to move on myself unless somebody is going to give me beer for getting involved.

Blame JacksonTN for dragging it up.

You want to know why I called Pink a bully? Read the thread.

If you're a normal human being, like me and I'm sure most reading, this is all horribly boring. Have a beer and let's talk about anything else-- but don't blame ME for someone else dragging it up.

867 albusteve  Sun, Aug 2, 2009 7:40:19am

re: #851 realwest

Good morning reine! Hope you're well this morning!
And - although I've said it before, I think it bears repeating: this economy won't begin to turn around in any substantive way unless and until we can get people to work! There are far, FAR too many unemployed people and Far too many underemployed folks right now.
That's one reason why retailers appear to be giving stuff away at ridiculous prices; there just aren't as many folks around with disposable income and those that do are saving it because a lot of them are concerned about keeping their jobs.

BO knows nothing about unemployment...he has no real experience or memories that would go back to the Carter years or the late eighties...it's all new to him...just a bunch of numbers or somehting he read in a book...his overall feel for economics is a disaster, with unemployment squarely in the middle...totally of touch with the national psyche...

868 reine.de.tout  Sun, Aug 2, 2009 7:40:28am

re: #855 BlueRoses

What's wrong with Atlas Shrugged?

Other than Pam being bat-shit crazy?

869 SasquatchOnSteroids  Sun, Aug 2, 2009 7:41:13am

re: #852 realwest

ROTFL!! Well that's one way to mass transit! LOL! How are you this morning my friend?

No complaints at all.
Even the neighbors are behaving. Must be a new moon.

870 Gang of One  Sun, Aug 2, 2009 7:41:20am

re: #855 BlueRoses

What's wrong with Atlas Shrugged?

In a nutshell, Pam Geller has cast her lot with European fascists/white supremicists.

871 albusteve  Sun, Aug 2, 2009 7:41:26am

re: #854 wahabicorridor

Rachel is a lesbian. She set off my 'gaydar' the first time I saw her. Then, the Sunday NYT mag did a profile of her. She's very open about it. What I had not known is that she was a Rhoades scholar.

She seems to me to be someone I could have a beer with and enjoy the conversation.

But politcally, she is on Olberman's level. Olberman, as a matter of fact, was her mentor at MSNBC.

Which says a lot.

sounds like a psychotic lesbian to me

872 Occasional Reader  Sun, Aug 2, 2009 7:41:31am

Bonjour.

873 A Man for all Seasons  Sun, Aug 2, 2009 7:41:42am

re: #854 wahabicorridor

Rachel is a lesbian. She set off my 'gaydar' the first time I saw her. Then, the Sunday NYT mag did a profile of her. She's very open about it. What I had not known is that she was a Rhoades scholar.

She seems to me to be someone I could have a beer with and enjoy the conversation.

But politcally, she is on Olberman's level. Olberman, as a matter of fact, was her mentor at MSNBC.

Which says a lot.

I don't like her politics...She may be a lesbian...so is my little sister...
To be attacked for her sexual orientation is wrong...

874 haakondahl  Sun, Aug 2, 2009 7:41:44am

re: #853 Mad Al-Jaffee

Corazon Aquino RIP

[Link: www.google.com...]

This is going to be very big (although nobody in the States will know). Expect headlines of all sorts from the RP.

875 avanti  Sun, Aug 2, 2009 7:41:44am

re: #855 BlueRoses

What's wrong with Atlas Shrugged?

Pam Gellar is a nut. Just this week she suggested e-mailing the "porno" pictures of the POTUS's mother around. Of course, they are not porn, nor is anyone sure they are actually of her, and even if they were, what's the point.

876 midwestgak  Sun, Aug 2, 2009 7:42:54am

re: #864 realwest


Just for the sake of stopping conversation about someone who is no longer her to reply or defend herself, ya know?

Morning {real}. I've been away a couple of days. Who is no longer here to defend herself?

877 Occasional Reader  Sun, Aug 2, 2009 7:43:08am

What's all this about porno pictures of pre-noon beer-drinking psychotic lesbians?

878 BARACK THE VOTE  Sun, Aug 2, 2009 7:43:09am

re: #855 BlueRoses

What's wrong with Atlas Shrugged?

Nothing a heavy schedule of electroshock, institutionalisation, and medicine wouldn't cure.

Probably.

879 haakondahl  Sun, Aug 2, 2009 7:43:30am

re: #825 Sharmuta

Perhaps another time, then. Preferably with a bunch of folks--the more the merrier.

880 A Man for all Seasons  Sun, Aug 2, 2009 7:43:30am

re: #872 Occasional Reader

Bonjour.

How was paris you stud? Hope you are well!

881 Mich-again  Sun, Aug 2, 2009 7:44:03am

re: #849 taxfreekiller

Whenever a government program fails to accomplish what it set out to do, its because it didn't go far enough.

And Communism hasn't worked yet as a National economic system because its never been done right.
/

882 reine.de.tout  Sun, Aug 2, 2009 7:44:20am

re: #875 avanti

Pam Gellar is a nut. Just this week she suggested e-mailing the "porno" pictures of the POTUS's mother around. Of course, they are not porn, nor is anyone sure they are actually of her, and even if they were, what's the point.

Meanwhile, while people are focused on these photos, Obamacare keeps rolling along, everybody yelling about the photos, nobody contacting their congress-critters about Obamacare because they are focused on photos or Gates or Crowley or whatever the outrage du jour is.

883 haakondahl  Sun, Aug 2, 2009 7:44:34am

re: #865 Sharmuta

What's not wrong with pamela?

Well...

884 reine.de.tout  Sun, Aug 2, 2009 7:44:48am

re: #877 Occasional Reader

What's all this about porno pictures of pre-noon beer-drinking psychotic lesbians?

LOL!
How did you manage to roll the entire thread up into one sentence like that?

885 albusteve  Sun, Aug 2, 2009 7:44:50am

re: #877 Occasional Reader

What's all this about porno pictures of pre-noon beer-drinking psychotic lesbians?

oh, the usual...ho hum

886 jvic  Sun, Aug 2, 2009 7:45:09am

re: #784 Gang of One

re: #778 avanti

Good morning all, did you see the news about the remains of the Navy pilot Michael "Scott" Speicher being found ?

R.I.P. Closure for the family.

Closure for the country. I was worried that he died in Saddam's prisons.

My inadequate thanks for Speicher's last full measure of devotion. RIP.

887 wahabicorridor  Sun, Aug 2, 2009 7:45:15am

Wait. I'm reading upthread.

pink is a bully?

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

*snort*

good lord iceweasel, you're such a poof.

888 Gang of One  Sun, Aug 2, 2009 7:45:16am

re: #878 iceweasel

Nothing a heavy schedule of electroshock, institutionalisation, and medicine wouldn't cure.

Probably.

Hmmm. I think what Gellar and her fellow travelers need is a clue-by-four, which will come when the racists they overlook turn on them.

889 Gang of One  Sun, Aug 2, 2009 7:45:52am

re: #881 Mich-again

Whenever a government program fails to accomplish what it set out to do, its because it didn't go far enough.

And Communism hasn't worked yet as a National economic system because its never been done right.
/

Righty-Oh. Mistakes were made ...
///

890 NJDhockeyfan  Sun, Aug 2, 2009 7:46:29am

re: #877 Occasional Reader

What's all this about porno pictures of pre-noon beer-drinking psychotic lesbians?

Emily Litella, is that you?

891 Occasional Reader  Sun, Aug 2, 2009 7:47:00am

re: #789 iceweasel

BINGO.

Also, liking the Obama verbiage mockery.

We must, we shall, and we will continue to mock Obama's verbiage.

892 haakondahl  Sun, Aug 2, 2009 7:47:08am

re: #888 Gang of One

Hmmm. I think what Gellar and her fellow travelers need is a clue-by-four, which will come when the racists they overlook turn on them.

"Japanese to Ally with Genocidal White Supremacist Nazis in Well-Thought-Out Scheme" News at 11.

893 avanti  Sun, Aug 2, 2009 7:47:14am

re: #882 reine.de.tout

Meanwhile, while people are focused on these photos, Obamacare keeps rolling along, everybody yelling about the photos, nobody contacting their congress-critters about Obamacare because they are focused on photos or Gates or Crowley or whatever the outrage du jour is.

Yes, but Barry's mom was nekid.

894 BARACK THE VOTE  Sun, Aug 2, 2009 7:47:16am

re: #887 wahabicorridor

Wait. I'm reading upthread.

pink is a bully?

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

*snort*

good lord iceweasel, you're such a poof.

Think so? :)

Why don't you define poof for us all now? Really. I mean it.

895 realwest  Sun, Aug 2, 2009 7:47:18am

re: #858 jaunte
Hello juante! Hope you're well today! BTW, I posted early last Saturday morning (thought it was still Friday night) that Obamacare has cleared the last House subcommittee and - when the congresscritters come back, Nancy intends to give 'em their marching orders and vote that it be done!
BUT - one of the sops the last committee gave was to the drug companies - allowed them a 12 year exclusive (insuring higher prices) for life saving drugs for Cancer, Alzheimer's and other horrible and
usually terminal illnesses. And I gotta say - for personal reasons anyway, that SUCKS big time. And I don't frankly give a damn if it was the Democrats with or without Republican help; that provision has literally DOOMED many good folks to an early or at least earlier death than they would otherwise have suffered if they had access to those drugs.

896 haakondahl  Sun, Aug 2, 2009 7:47:51am

re: #891 Occasional Reader

We must, we shall, and we will continue to mock Obama's verbiage.

While I agree with you, you might want to pull that particular string a little more...

897 Mad Al-Jaffee  Sun, Aug 2, 2009 7:47:52am

re: #878 iceweasel

Nothing a heavy schedule of electroshock, institutionalisation, and medicine wouldn't cure.

Probably.

Do you mean the book or the website? I've never read Rand, but if she's that bad I won't bother.

:)

898 wahabicorridor  Sun, Aug 2, 2009 7:48:01am

re: #867 albusteve

BO knows nothing about unemployment...he has no real experience or memories that would go back to the Carter years or the late eighties...it's all new to him...just a bunch of numbers or somehting he read in a book...his overall feel for economics is a disaster, with unemployment squarely in the middle...totally of touch with the national psyche...

I beg to differ. This is the same conversation I have with my husband. Hubby thinks the O is stupid. I think he knows EXACTLY what he's doing. The arguement Hubby cannot answer is "Ok, you think he's just dumb. But if actually INTENDS to do all this, what would he do differently?"

No answer yet.

899 BARACK THE VOTE  Sun, Aug 2, 2009 7:48:04am

re: #891 Occasional Reader

We must, we shall, and we will continue to mock Obama's verbiage.

Let me be perfectly clear...
/

900 Miss Trixie  Sun, Aug 2, 2009 7:48:51am

&#9834 &#9836 Good moring, {lizards!} &#9836 &#9834

Quick question - Remember the experiment by a barking moonbat with bricks, paper and some chicken wire (?) that purportedly refuted the destruction of the twin towers? Charles had a post on that bit of hilarity and I simply can't find it - can anyone direct me to it?

A thousand upschwingadingies in advance - thanks. :D

901 realwest  Sun, Aug 2, 2009 7:48:54am

re: #861 taxfreekiller
Hey TFK! Take care my friend - and keep your eyes on the treeline.

902 Gang of One  Sun, Aug 2, 2009 7:48:56am

Completely OT. My monitor [flat screen] has been oscillating between its normal color output, and a yellowish tint to everything. It's not the monitor, because the exact same thing was happening with a previous flat screen. Any ideas, Lizards?

903 Sharmuta  Sun, Aug 2, 2009 7:50:01am

re: #872 Occasional Reader

Hola!

904 reine.de.tout  Sun, Aug 2, 2009 7:50:03am

re: #902 Gang of One

Completely OT. My monitor [flat screen] has been oscillating between its normal color output, and a yellowish tint to everything. It's not the monitor, because the exact same thing was happening with a previous flat screen. Any ideas, Lizards?

Mandy's not around, so . . .

SHOOT YER COMPUTER!

905 Sharmuta  Sun, Aug 2, 2009 7:50:41am

re: #891 Occasional Reader

We must, we shall, and we will continue to mock Obama's verbiage.

Just don't do it stupidly.

906 jaunte  Sun, Aug 2, 2009 7:50:44am

re: #895 realwest

I hear you. One of my daughters continues to breathe with the help of a drug that is rare, expensive, and likely destined for the 'experimental, not covered' category.

907 A Man for all Seasons  Sun, Aug 2, 2009 7:50:53am

re: #900 Miss Trixie

♪ ♬ Good moring, {lizards!} ♬ ♪

Quick question - Remember the experiment by a barking moonbat with bricks, paper and some chicken wire (?) that purportedly refuted the destruction of the twin towers? Charles had a post on that bit of hilarity and I simply can't find it - can anyone direct me to it?

A thousand upschwingadingies in advance - thanks. :D

Good morning! It is always nice having you in the house

908 haakondahl  Sun, Aug 2, 2009 7:50:59am

re: #902 Gang of One

Completely OT. My monitor [flat screen] has been oscillating between its normal color output, and a yellowish tint to everything. It's not the monitor, because the exact same thing was happening with a previous flat screen. Any ideas, Lizards?

1) Broken Cable $
2) Broken Video Card $$
3) Broken Mother Board $$$

909 realwest  Sun, Aug 2, 2009 7:51:10am

re: #872 Occasional Reader
Good morning Occasional Reader, how are you doing today?

910 albusteve  Sun, Aug 2, 2009 7:52:31am

re: #898 wahabicorridor

I beg to differ. This is the same conversation I have with my husband. Hubby thinks the O is stupid. I think he knows EXACTLY what he's doing. The arguement Hubby cannot answer is "Ok, you think he's just dumb. But if actually INTENDS to do all this, what would he do differently?"

No answer yet.

I don't think he is stupid...his Marxist touch for economics is a disaster...last year I raged he would intentionally wreck our economy...that was my first of many dust-up's with avanti...he, and others, thought that notion was crazy...and it's a fact he has no personal relevance to unemployment

911 realwest  Sun, Aug 2, 2009 7:52:49am

re: #876 midwestgak
Hi there {gak} - Pink Freud.
She checked out of this thread hours ago I think.

912 NJDhockeyfan  Sun, Aug 2, 2009 7:53:05am

re: #900 Miss Trixie

♪ ♬ Good moring, {lizards!} ♬ ♪

Quick question - Remember the experiment by a barking moonbat with bricks, paper and some chicken wire (?) that purportedly refuted the destruction of the twin towers? Charles had a post on that bit of hilarity and I simply can't find it - can anyone direct me to it?

A thousand upschwingadingies in advance - thanks. :D

Ahhh...the infamous experiment by some genius on DU.

Can a jet fuel/hydrocarbon fire collapse a steel structure? An experiment.

913 Gang of One  Sun, Aug 2, 2009 7:53:50am

re: #908 haakondahl

1) Broken Cable $
2) Broken Video Card $$
3) Broken Mother Board $$$


4) Broken savings: priceless

914 Occasional Reader  Sun, Aug 2, 2009 7:54:04am

re: #880 HoosierHoops

How was paris you stud? Hope you are well!

Paris was pretty damn great. For all our beloved French-bashing, it's really a fantastic city. Random impressions:

This was my first visit to Paris on which I spent much time around the Champs Elysee. Sure, I had been to the area before, but always tended to eschew it, thinking it's so... touristy, and I'm just too cool for that (etc.). Well... I can now humbly report that I was wrong for all those years; it's worth spending time on the CE, for the simple reason that it makes for absolutely superlative people-watching. And by "people", I mostly mean women, of course. There's just this constant parade of outlandishly beautiful women... simply breathtaking. Oh, and of course, the physical beauty of the area itself is worth the visit, too.

I never tire of the Ile de la Cite/Ile St. Louis historic center. Yes, it's full of tourists, too, but there's a reason people visit. I strongly encourage walking around this area after midnight; it's a totally different feeling.

Paris is frickkin' expensive; and hotels are wildly overpriced. To get a room with the creature comforts you'd expect from a good Holiday Inn in the US (a good modern bed, good air conditioning, modern bathroom, etc.) you have to spend at least US$250 a night. Of course, there are "charm" aspects to staying in, say, a 17th century building on Ile St. Louis that are hard to price.

Hmm, what else...

915 midwestgak  Sun, Aug 2, 2009 7:54:42am

re: #911 realwest

Hi there {gak} - Pink Freud.
She checked out of this thread hours ago I think.

Thanks. I misunderstood. Thought someone else got the stick.

916 Mad Al-Jaffee  Sun, Aug 2, 2009 7:55:12am

People always talk about saving money for a rainy day. Today's rainy as hell, I have some money in my savings account, but I don't want to go out and spend it! I just want to stay home and do nothing.

917 Henchman Ghazi-808  Sun, Aug 2, 2009 7:55:19am

re: #866 iceweasel

You want to know why I called Pink a bully? Read the thread.

If you're a normal human being, like me and I'm sure most reading, this is all horribly boring. Have a beer and let's talk about anything else-- but don't blame ME for someone else dragging it up.

You want me to read a whole thread to validate that a regular Lizard was a bully? I figured you'd link to the juicy part so I don't have to go reading through several hundred posts. You did link to somebody's opinion about the event, so I think it was fair enough to ask.

I really don't want to prolong or get involved, but then again I'd like to know if somebody was guilty of the charges of bullying. I'd expect the same if somebody made a similar charge about you. But if you wish to leave it be, that's fine too.

918 jaunte  Sun, Aug 2, 2009 7:56:00am

re: #906 jaunte

I hear you. One of my daughters continues to breathe with the help of a drug that is rare, expensive, and likely destined for the 'experimental, not covered' category.

The point being, if the government is in charge of making the decision, the drug will probably be taken off the market even if it's helping some people.
[Link: health.discovery.com...]

919 wahabicorridor  Sun, Aug 2, 2009 7:56:08am

re: #910 albusteve

I don't think he is stupid...his Marxist touch for economics is a disaster...last year I raged he would intentionally wreck our economy...that was my first of many dust-up's with avanti...he, and others, thought that notion was crazy...and it's a fact he has no personal relevance to unemployment

True. I gather he's never been on the dole. So we agree that this disaster is his intent?

920 SasquatchOnSteroids  Sun, Aug 2, 2009 7:56:11am

re: #916 Mad Al-Jaffee

People always talk about saving money for a rainy day. Today's rainy as hell, I have some money in my savings account, but I don't want to go out and spend it! I just want to stay home and do nothing.

Funny how the more you save, the less you want to spend it.
So true.

921 haakondahl  Sun, Aug 2, 2009 7:57:13am

BBIAB

922 avanti  Sun, Aug 2, 2009 7:57:20am

re: #910 albusteve

I don't think he is stupid...his Marxist touch for economics is a disaster...last year I raged he would intentionally wreck our economy...that was my first of many dust-up's with avanti...he, and others, thought that notion was crazy...and it's a fact he has no personal relevance to unemployment

We still disagree. Not only do I not agree that he's intentionally wrecking the economy, I see him turning it around. We should be on in recovery by years end, maybe by the end of this quarter. Only time will tell us who's correct.

923 A Man for all Seasons  Sun, Aug 2, 2009 7:59:11am

re: #914 Occasional Reader

Wow! That is so cool! I think Montreal has the most beautiful women in the world...To walk down Saint Cathrine's was like a stroll down the golden streets of heaven... I'll bet Paris rocks...
Welcome home

924 Occasional Reader  Sun, Aug 2, 2009 7:59:29am

More on Paris and France in general:

I encountered absolutely zero anti-American animosity. (I think the fact that I can stumble through with at least a certain amount of French helps.) People were either reasonably friendly, or as indifferent as one would expect in a big NYC-style city.

Pay toilets... good gawd! Where's all this frickkin' socialism when it comes time to take a piss?! Maybe if they had more free public toilets, fewer French men and boys would feel the need to, ah, "mark their territory" outdoors.

Did I mention that Paris is chock-full of outlandishly beautiful women?

Mont Saint-Michel, word of advise: Stay the night, on the island (yes, it's also too damn expensive, etc.). Do the "Promenade Nocturne" of the abbey (which is the summit of the island). Magic. Then, wander around the isle between, say, 12:30 pm - 1:30 am; you'll have the streets to yourself, literally. Quite a contrast to the throngs of tourists during the day.

925 Henchman Ghazi-808  Sun, Aug 2, 2009 8:00:08am

re: #902 Gang of One

Completely OT. My monitor [flat screen] has been oscillating between its normal color output, and a yellowish tint to everything. It's not the monitor, because the exact same thing was happening with a previous flat screen. Any ideas, Lizards?

You can try updating your video card driver, or your video card is going out.

Or you have some kind of 'quick key' video adjustment on your computer and you occasionally hit it.

926 albusteve  Sun, Aug 2, 2009 8:01:01am

re: #922 avanti

We still disagree. Not only do I not agree that he's intentionally wrecking the economy, I see him turning it around. We should be on in recovery by years end, maybe by the end of this quarter. Only time will tell us who's correct.

tax cuts...give people their own money back and leave the rest to the laws of nature...works every time...BO sat on his ass all winter schemeing up the porkulus bill which has been no help at all...we are still bleeding jobs...he has hurt the country bad already and the worst is probably yet to come...he wants control and to get it the economy must tank to a certain level...you deny reality

927 wahabicorridor  Sun, Aug 2, 2009 8:01:17am

hey haakondahl

The other day you and I were talking about economics and I was trying to find a quote from a book but I couldn't find the damn book.

found it. Thomas Sowell's Basic Economics. He uses Lionel Robbins definition

Economics is the study of the use of scarce resource which have alternative uses.

The problem I have ist that I can't think of a scarce resource that would be excluded based on the 'alternative uses' clause.

928 jaunte  Sun, Aug 2, 2009 8:01:30am

Doctors Are Opting Out of Medicare
Two trends are converging: there is a shortage of internists nationally — the American College of Physicians, the organization for internists, estimates that by 2025 there will be 35,000 to 45,000 fewer than the population needs — and internists are increasingly unwilling to accept new Medicare patients.

929 albusteve  Sun, Aug 2, 2009 8:01:39am

re: #919 wahabicorridor

True. I gather he's never been on the dole. So we agree that this disaster is his intent?

of course...to argue otherwise is just spinblab imo

930 BARACK THE VOTE  Sun, Aug 2, 2009 8:02:17am

re: #917 BigPapa

You want me to read a whole thread to validate that a regular Lizard was a bully? I figured you'd link to the juicy part so I don't have to go reading through several hundred posts. You did link to somebody's opinion about the event, so I think it was fair enough to ask.

I really don't want to prolong or get involved, but then again I'd like to know if somebody was guilty of the charges of bullying. I'd expect the same if somebody made a similar charge about you. But if you wish to leave it be, that's fine too.

I told you. It's in the thread. It's not one or three or five posts, unfortunately. It's several. And in my world, it'd be utterly unfairly to cut and paste those posts out of context-- because it's really too easy to make someone else look bad. Believe it or not, I'm trying to be fair to the person who was unfair to me.

Read the thread and you can make your own decision, unskewed by me or anyone. Or, be lazy and decide to believe what you want.

That's fine too.

You're the one that asked toknow. Remember that.

931 CynicalConservative  Sun, Aug 2, 2009 8:02:33am

re: #922 avanti

We still disagree. Not only do I not agree that he's intentionally wrecking the economy, I see him turning it around. We should be on in recovery by years end, maybe by the end of this quarter. Only time will tell us who's correct.

Can you give me the name and number of your optometrist? I'd really to get a pair of those rose colored glasses you are wearing.

932 NJDhockeyfan  Sun, Aug 2, 2009 8:03:24am

re: #925 BigPapa

You can try updating your video card driver, or your video card is going out.

Or you have some kind of 'quick key' video adjustment on your computer and you occasionally hit it.

Or could be a power supply going bad.

933 albusteve  Sun, Aug 2, 2009 8:03:47am

BO turning the economy around is a sophomoric illusion

934 avanti  Sun, Aug 2, 2009 8:03:55am

re: #926 albusteve

tax cuts...give people their own money back and leave the rest to the laws of nature...works every time...BO sat on his ass all winter schemeing up the porkulus bill which has been no help at all...we are still bleeding jobs...he has hurt the country bad already and the worst is probably yet to come...he wants control and to get it the economy must tank to a certain level...you deny reality

You simply deny my view of reality, and I respect that. Only time will tell if either of us is close to correct.

935 NJDhockeyfan  Sun, Aug 2, 2009 8:04:50am

re: #933 albusteve

BO turning the economy around is a sophomoric illusion

When he fails he will Blame Bush. Bet on it.

936 BARACK THE VOTE  Sun, Aug 2, 2009 8:05:08am

re: #934 avanti

You simply deny my view of reality, and I respect that. Only time will tell if either of us is close to correct.

Reality does have a well known liberal bias. :)

937 Occasional Reader  Sun, Aug 2, 2009 8:05:18am

Mark Steyn on Obamacare.

Basically, Obamacare in whatever form is the proverbial camel's nose under the tent.

On the price tag: It's often argued that, as a proportion of GDP, America spends more on health care than countries with government medical systems. But, as a point of fact, "America" doesn't spend anything on health care: Hundreds of millions of people make hundreds of millions of individual decisions about what they're going to spend on health care. Whereas up north a handful of bureaucrats determine what Canada will spend on health care – and that's that: Health care is a government budget item. If Joe Hoser in Moose Jaw wants to increase Canada's health care spending by $500 drawn from his savings account, he can't: The law prevents it. Unless, as many Canadians do, he drives south and spends it in a U.S. hospital for treatment he can't get in a timely manner in his own country.

On that bolded portion: So I assume the "keep your laws off my body!" crowd would therefore oppose such a thing, right?

/crickets

938 Miss Trixie  Sun, Aug 2, 2009 8:06:19am

{REALWEST!} *smoochie-smooch100 *huggles*

I'm very glad to see you today, luv. How are you?

{Hoosier} You always have the nicest things to say - thanks!

{wahabbi} Darls!

{NJD Hockey} Wow! That was fast! Now I'm going to don my hazmat suit, throw some garlic strings 'round me neck and I'm going in.

Yikes!

BBIAB - watch for the trail of crumbs should I be detained any longer than need be ... ... ...

939 Gang of One  Sun, Aug 2, 2009 8:06:25am

Thanks for the monitor trouble-shooting tips.
Sister came over with 7-year-old nephew going away to camp for first time. BBIAB

940 SixDegrees  Sun, Aug 2, 2009 8:06:30am

re: #873 HoosierHoops

I don't like her politics...She may be a lesbian...so is my little sister...
To be attacked for her sexual orientation is wrong...

I have to agree. I really don't give a shit what people do in their spare time.

To amplify this point a bit: Conservatism demands that people be left free to pursue their own interests to the greatest extent possible. It's especially odious to see self-proclaimed Conservatives chastising others because of their sexual orientation, because it is so fundamentally opposed to a Conservative philosophy.

941 Occasional Reader  Sun, Aug 2, 2009 8:07:01am

re: #924 Occasional Reader

Then, wander around the isle between, say, 12:30 pmam - 1:30 am

PIMF

942 CynicalConservative  Sun, Aug 2, 2009 8:07:16am

re: #936 iceweasel

Reality does have a well known liberal bias. :)

That right there is comedy gold.

943 avanti  Sun, Aug 2, 2009 8:07:38am

re: #931 CynicalConservative

Can you give me the name and number of your optometrist? I'd really to get a pair of those rose colored glasses you are wearing.

Only from the right do I not hear about all the early signs of a recovery. The stock market has had the fastest rise in 6 months since the 30's, home construction is increasing and more. We are not out yet, but the trends are up, follow the market.

944 realwest  Sun, Aug 2, 2009 8:07:40am

re: #906 jaunte Well, and nothing personal here juante, but I can sometimes understand why a drug or treatment MIGHT be considered "experimental" but this part of what may turn out to be Obamacare is talking about giving a monopoly on life saving drugs that are not in the experimental stage - and for 12 years, at that. And unfortunately, that's actually worse than the experimental stage - there are some exceptions/trials that can be done. This just means that ONE of my drugs, which I've been taking for 4+ years now and which costs over $525 a month (and yes I'm in the Medicare Gap) will continue to be that expensive and they'll be NO generic available for another 12 years. And there are NO TRIALS for this drug because it's already been in general use for over 5 years now.
And I'm very sorry to hear about your daughter my friend - I truly hope and pray that a new treatment that is covered by insurance will come along to make her life so much easier.
And while I'm thinking about it, IF the Government thinks IT can run healthcare or the drug companies or any associated medical items, then I honestly think every single congresscritter should have to live on Obamacare, NOT the platinum plated FREE healthcare we provide to 'em - including dental and eyecare.
Fuck it; let them live the way most of their constituents live - pay for their health insurance or Medicare as the case may be - out of their own pockets. Including deductibles.

945 jaunte  Sun, Aug 2, 2009 8:07:40am

re: #937 Occasional Reader

Sorry, it won't penetrate.

946 albusteve  Sun, Aug 2, 2009 8:07:53am

it depends on how you define 'the economy'
it depends on how you define 'debt and taxation'
it depends on how you define 'turnaround'

it just all depends

947 zombie  Sun, Aug 2, 2009 8:08:14am

A long time ago I once made a URL for a zombietime report that accidentally had a "forbidden" character in it that made the URL inaccessible for most people.

It was either an ampersand (&) or a plus (+).

Problem is, I can't remember which one it was.

As a result, I have ever since avoided using both ampersands and plusses, even though one of them is OK and the other isn't.

But now I wish I could use a symbol which meant "and."

Does anybody know which is allowed in URLs and which isn't? Or am I totally wrong in some way and they're both forbidden or both allowed?

948 A Man for all Seasons  Sun, Aug 2, 2009 8:08:21am

re: #938 Miss Trixie

{REALWEST!} *smoochie-smooch100 *huggles*

I'm very glad to see you today, luv. How are you?

{Hoosier} You always have the nicest things to say - thanks!

{wahabbi} Darls!

{NJD Hockey} Wow! That was fast! Now I'm going to don my hazmat suit, throw some garlic strings 'round me neck and I'm going in.

Yikes!

BBIAB - watch for the trail of crumbs should I be detained any longer than need be ... ... ...

Aren't you on vacation this week? So Am I! We can make fun of the lizards all week...Wink

949 BARACK THE VOTE  Sun, Aug 2, 2009 8:09:40am

re: #942 CynicalConservative

That right there is comedy gold.

Isn't it just???

950 albusteve  Sun, Aug 2, 2009 8:10:24am

re: #943 avanti

Only from the right do I not hear about all the early signs of a recovery. The stock market has had the fastest rise in 6 months since the 30's, home construction is increasing and more. We are not out yet, but the trends are up, follow the market.

how is BO responsible for any of that?...that was the issue...HE is not turning anything around

951 midwestgak  Sun, Aug 2, 2009 8:10:39am

re: #922 avanti

We still disagree. Not only do I not agree that he's intentionally wrecking the economy, I see him turning it around. We should be on in recovery by years end, maybe by the end of this quarter. Only time will tell us who's correct.

Take head out of sand.

. . . Second-quarter profits at companies from Caterpillar Inc. to Dow Chemical Co. reinforced signs a nine-quarter slump in earnings is ending. Today’s Commerce Department report, which included benchmark revisions to past years, showed that GDP has tumbled 3.9 percent since the second quarter of last year -- the biggest drop since quarterly records began in 1947. GDP has fallen four straight quarters, the longest ever.

952 avanti  Sun, Aug 2, 2009 8:10:47am

re: #946 albusteve

it depends on how you define 'the economy'
it depends on how you define 'debt and taxation'
it depends on how you define 'turnaround'

it just all depends

Of course it does, I know some on the right that thought the economy was bad during the Clinton years, simply because they were the Clinton years.