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1 Silvergirl  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 3:30:29pm

Why is she wearing pajamas?

2 Fat Jolly Penguin  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 3:31:46pm

O RLY?

3 Killgore Trout  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 3:31:58pm

At one point in the clip the anchors say something about how she refused to accept a ride to the studio because the driver was Muslim.

4 Mich-again  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 3:33:02pm
5 Kragar  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 3:33:16pm

Who run Birther Town?

I can see her with a samurai helmet getting a piggy back ride from Glen Beck.

6 tradewind  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 3:33:48pm

With few exceptions, such as this one... being mocked by MSNBC is usually a sign that you're doing something right.

7 Kragar  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 3:34:26pm

And again the chain barking starts up.

8 Sharmuta  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 3:34:30pm

I feel sorry for the journalists having to baby sit this woman.

9 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 3:35:16pm

Charles is gonna get so much hate mail. Hope he makes it a thread.

10 Sharmuta  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 3:35:40pm

Wow- what's the story with the driver?

11 Last Mohican  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 3:35:44pm

Woo hoo! The video got its own thread!

Okay, who's gonna hook me up with the repeating loop of Orly saying "Let me, let me, let me answer!" at 4:36?

12 reine.de.tout  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 3:37:01pm

What a complicated story she's ... made up? found? People lying, news agencies being manipulated, etc.

13 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 3:37:16pm

re: #10 Sharmuta

Wow- what's the story with the driver?

Wow, MSMBC must of had to try really hard to dig up a Muslim driver in Tel Aviv. They did it on purpose.
/

14 Last Mohican  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 3:37:21pm

re: #10 Sharmuta

Wow- what's the story with the driver?

Indeed. Sounds like bullsh*t to me. When a company sends a car, you usually don't get the name of the driver. You get at most the name of the company, and a car number.

15 tradewind  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 3:37:58pm

re: #3 Killgore Trout

I don't see how she knew before getting into the vehicle,... unless maybe the driver knocked the gin and tonic right out of her hand...

16 Sharmuta  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 3:38:06pm

That was painful. You know it's bad when even coulter thinks you're a loon.

17 calcajun  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 3:38:12pm

re: #12 reine.de.tout

The Kennedy Assassination Conspiracy is tinker toys compared to this.

18 Killgore Trout  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 3:38:14pm

re: #10 Sharmuta

It might have been a coincidence but I wouldn't put it past the producers to send her black or Muslim drivers just to see how she'd react.

19 Bob Dillon  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 3:38:51pm

They're all nuts but Schuster is an absolute ass with his tisking and lip smacking while providing "journalistic responsibility".

20 Last Mohican  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 3:39:10pm

The comments at the end about racism are totally uncalled for.

21 calcajun  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 3:39:25pm

re: #6 tradewind

With few exceptions, such as this one... being mocked by MSNBC is usually a sign that you're doing something right.

Well, look on the bright side-- still not many people watch MSNBC.

22 Flyovercountry  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 3:39:28pm

Forgive me for asking this, but is Orly a citizen of the U.S.? This has to be a setup of some sort. This woman is clearly someone who should be ignored, and not taken seriously. We need a Reagan, or a Newt to appear again, soon!

23 jaunte  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 3:39:34pm

Stop the madness.

24 SixDegrees  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 3:39:58pm

Mockery is good.

25 Randall Gross  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 3:40:57pm

Oh my.

26 Last Mohican  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 3:41:00pm

re: #18 Killgore Trout

It might have been a coincidence but I wouldn't put it past the producers to send her black or Muslim drivers just to see how she'd react.

Well that's an excellent point. Obviously they brought her on so that they could ambush her and beat the crap out of her. It's not journalism, but it's what MSNBC does, and a great way to stir the pot would be to have a driver put on a name badge that said "Hussein" or something.

27 Sharmuta  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 3:41:12pm

Orly get my coveted early Idiotarian of the Year nomination.

28 calcajun  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 3:41:31pm

re: #5 Kragar (proud to be kafir)

Who run Birther Town?

I can see her with a samurai helmet getting a piggy back ride from Glen Beck.

and Mel Gibson would be played by Mel Gibson?

29 [deleted]  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 3:41:36pm
30 reine.de.tout  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 3:41:59pm

re: #17 calcajun

The Kennedy Assassination Conspiracy is tinker toys compared to this.

LOL.
It's tinker toys ONLY if you haven't bought into Edward T. Haslam's "Dr. Mary's Monkey" theory of the conspiracy against JFK.

31 [deleted]  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 3:42:54pm
32 SixDegrees  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 3:43:38pm

re: #26 Last Mohican

Well that's an excellent point. Obviously they brought her on so that they could ambush her and beat the crap out of her. It's not journalism, but it's what MSNBC does, and a great way to stir the pot would be to have a driver put on a name badge that said "Hussein" or something.

Actually, she's like that all the time. Every single clip I've ever seen of her has her going off the deep end, with the sole exception of her appearance on The Colbert Report, where she merely appears confused and unaware of the fact that she is being openly mocked.

This woman is a rabid, drooling loon. She deserves nothing but derision, and certainly doesn't deserve any defense from anyone.

33 Randall Gross  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 3:43:39pm

Maybe we can get Dan Blather to interview her for The Comedy Network...

34 Truck Monkey  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 3:45:34pm

Meet the rights Cindy Sheehan. Who's responsible for sticking this bleating bird in front of the cameras?

35 TheMatrix31  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 3:45:35pm

Dems Plan to Push Healthcare Bill - With or Without Republicans

Then do it and shut the fuck up, assholes.

36 Sharmuta  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 3:45:38pm

Ashton Kutcher could have a lot of fun punking this woman.

37 jaunte  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 3:46:08pm

Sideshow Orly keeps the attention away from Congress.

38 sattv4u2  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 3:46:45pm

Now now now ,,, the woman DOES have a point!

39 tradewind  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 3:46:47pm

re: #21 calcajun

True, they're usually singing to the choir barking to the pack.
I do like that Morning Joe show, though... Scarborough is funny when he argues with Mike Barnicle and its fun to watch him yank that nitwit Mika Bzrezinski's very short chain.

40 sattv4u2  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 3:46:58pm

and if she wears a hat , we won't notice !!

41 dominic yeso  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 3:47:27pm

I've been avoiding this topic up until now and now require some education from our community of Lizards ... questions -> has O released his birth certificate for public examination? If so what is the issue?

42 SixDegrees  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 3:47:29pm

For those who haven't seen The Colbert Report episode featuring Squirrely, you must watch it.

43 Last Mohican  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 3:47:51pm

re: #32 SixDegrees

This woman is a rabid, drooling loon. She deserves nothing but derision, and certainly doesn't deserve any defense from anyone.

No argument here! In fact, I'm gonna deride her even more, as soon as I can put a name on the muppet voice that she totally reminds me of.

But I'm just pointing out that MSNBC's treatment of her wasn't actual journalism. They brought her on to ridicule her, and they ridiculed her. Not that it was difficult to do so -- she's almost self-ridiculing.

44 sattv4u2  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 3:47:56pm

re: #34 Truck Monkey

Meet the rights Cindy Sheehan. Who's responsible for sticking this bleating bird in front of the cameras?

Those that have a vested interest in making the 'right" look wrong

45 tradewind  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 3:48:12pm

re: #41 dominic yeso

The first dog, Bo, ate the original.

46 jaunte  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 3:48:44pm

re: #35 TheMatrix31

re: #35 TheMatrix31

A filibuster-proof majority means there is no cover.

47 theheat  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 3:48:57pm

"And here's your Muslim driver. Be careful, I hear he may drive over the edge of the flat earth with you. They're like that. They like to do that to people like you. Yup, they'll drive right next to the edge, just to scare you."

It's a day of all-out crazy.

48 Sharmuta  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 3:49:38pm

re: #37 jaunte

Sideshow Orly keeps the attention away from Congress.

So that's what Killgore meant on the last thread when he called her a Ukrainian Big Bird on Quaaludes. Watch the birdie!

49 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 3:49:41pm

re: #41 dominic yeso

I've been avoiding this topic up until now and now require some education from our community of Lizards ... questions -> has O released his birth certificate for public examination? If so what is the issue?

Righty kooks have to be more kooky than lefty kooks.

50 Bob Dillon  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 3:49:50pm

This kind of crap is precisely why I rarely if ever watch MSM newscasts.

Ah, for the TV of the 50s.

51 [deleted]  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 3:51:32pm
52 tradewind  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 3:52:30pm

re: #46 jaunte

The health plan is not gonna hunt with the blue dogs. They have to try to repeat the stroke of luck that landed them in Congress when Dubya's numbers tanked and get reelected in their conservative districts.
They may have sixty hypothetical votes, but for this plan so far the real ones aren't there.

53 shiplord kirel  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 3:53:27pm

Good.
Grief.
What a clown. I am starting to believe this Soros/media black ops stuff, nobody could be that ridiculous except on purpose.

54 tradewind  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 3:54:02pm

re: #50 Bobibutu

There are two channels that play nothing but oldie tv. One's called RETRO, I forget the other one.

55 dominic yeso  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 3:54:24pm

ok some help ... so why doesn't O just put a team of folks on this to compile the necessary evidence and present it? It seems likes its O's responsibility to ensure that this thing dies a proper death before it gets out of control and comes to the point where innuendo delegitimizes his administration.

56 jaunte  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 3:54:42pm

re: #52 tradewind

Yes, though I get a kick out of Schumer complaining that it's the Republicans who won't cooperate.

57 Flyovercountry  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 3:56:08pm

re: #35 TheMatrix31

Here is their dilemna, they don't want sole responsibility for this mess once it is done. With the filabuster proof senate, control of the house, and theit guy as POTUS, they don't have anybody to share blame with. They know these agenda items will haunt them, and they desperately need at least on republican to share blame with. If they get more, so much the better. The Democrats in congress want to claim the mantle of bi-partisanship to give them a shot at re-election. Obama really doesn't care. The good congress folk are starting to recognize that their leader could care less about protecting his fellow Democrats, along with Pelosi, Reid, et al. It's like watching Jimmy Carter all over again. Come to think of it, I think I've read about other similarities with the Carter Administration right here on LGF.

58 Sharmuta  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 3:56:11pm

re: #55 dominic yeso

ok some help ... so why doesn't O just put a team of folks on this to compile the necessary evidence and present it? It seems likes its O's responsibility to ensure that this thing dies a proper death before it gets out of control and comes to the point where innuendo delegitimizes his administration.

No- actually. The responsibility is on the nirthers to present just cause for their claim. Obama is innocent until proven guilty. He doesn't have to produce squat.

59 tradewind  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 3:56:21pm

re: #53 shiplord kirel

Now we know how the belief spread through some Dem camps that Reverend Wright was on the payroll of the McCain campaign.

60 sattv4u2  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 3:56:23pm

re: #55 dominic yeso

ok some help ... so why doesn't O just put a team of folks on this to compile the necessary evidence and present it? It seems likes its O's responsibility to ensure that this thing dies a proper death before it gets out of control and comes to the point where innuendo delegitimizes his administration.

{sigh}

It's to his distinct advantage to have "the right' frothing at the bit about this and havintg the MSM following the "right" frothing at the bit about this instead of having issues and policies discussed

61 [deleted]  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 3:56:26pm
62 jaunte  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 3:56:36pm

re: #55 dominic yeso

Politically, you have it backwards. The birth certificate 'innuendo' is delegitimizing any critic associated with it. It's playing into the hands of anyone who wants to paint conservatives as nut jobs.

63 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 3:56:40pm

re: #55 dominic yeso

ok some help ... so why doesn't O just put a team of folks on this to compile the necessary evidence and present it? It seems likes its O's responsibility to ensure that this thing dies a proper death before it gets out of control and comes to the point where innuendo delegitimizes his administration.

Because if kooks yell enough, everyone looks at them, therefore taking the spotlight off of his failed policies. And it is a non-issue.

64 capitalist piglet  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 3:57:40pm

re: #4 Mich-again

O RLY?

LOL! I've been thinking of that ever since I first saw the name. I've also been thinking, since I saw the screen shot on HotAir, of a line from an Austin Powers movie. (But I will keep it to myself for a change.)

65 dominic yeso  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 3:57:53pm

re: #58 Sharmuta

In a moral world yes, but after what happened to Bush its clear that the game has changed. Why not just head them off and make them look like the fools that they are instead of allowing this stuff to fester?

66 shiplord kirel  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 3:58:14pm

re: #55 dominic yeso

ok some help ... so why doesn't O just put a team of folks on this to compile the necessary evidence and present it? It seems likes its O's responsibility to ensure that this thing dies a proper death before it gets out of control and comes to the point where innuendo delegitimizes his administration.

It's the opposition that is in danger of being delegitimized. I think O is waiting around to see if the real GOP leadership bites on this. He can probably spring the original "Long form," hand-written birth certificate whenever he thinks it will do the most damage to the opposition's credibility.

67 Bob Dillon  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 3:59:05pm

re: #54 tradewind

There are two channels that play nothing but oldie tv. One's called RETRO, I forget the other one.

Thanks - I just don't enjoy watching and hearing scenes like this one. Degrading to all involved. Loons or not - I found it profoundly disgusting.

68 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 3:59:08pm

re: #65 dominic yeso

In a moral world yes, but after what happened to Bush its clear that the game has changed. Why not just head them off and make them look like the fools that they are instead of allowing this stuff to fester?

What happened to Bush, exactly?

69 dominic yeso  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 3:59:09pm

re: #62 jaunte

Ok, starting to see the light.

70 tradewind  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 3:59:11pm

re: #38 sattv4u2

Yes indeed, and it's sitting right on top of her head...

71 sattv4u2  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 3:59:49pm

re: #65 dominic yeso

SEE #60

72 [deleted]  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 4:00:00pm
73 shiplord kirel  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 4:00:04pm

re: #59 tradewind

Now we know how the belief spread through some Dem camps that Reverend Wright was on the payroll of the McCain campaign.

Hey, that was a good operation! It's not my fault it didn't stick to the Zero.

74 sattv4u2  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 4:00:07pm

re: #70 tradewind

Yes indeed, and it's sitting right on top of her head...

SEE #40

75 Sharmuta  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 4:00:18pm

re: #65 dominic yeso

In a moral world yes, but after what happened to Bush its clear that the game has changed. Why not just head them off and make them look like the fools that they are instead of allowing this stuff to fester?

Because it would set bad legal and political precedent.

76 tradewind  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 4:00:49pm

re: #67 Bobibutu

Me either. I got the gist from the thread and won't put myself through the wincing.

77 Last Mohican  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 4:01:15pm

re: #55 dominic yeso

ok some help ... so why doesn't O just put a team of folks on this to compile the necessary evidence and present it? It seems likes its O's responsibility to ensure that this thing dies a proper death before it gets out of control and comes to the point where innuendo delegitimizes his administration.

He did compile the necessary evidence and presented it. It's done. Presented. He done did it. The innuendo isn't delegitimizing anyone except the people creating it. And the political party with which they're being linked.

You know, Orly Taitz is so over the top, I could almost be talked into one of those Alex Jonesian "false flag" arguments about her.

78 captdiggs  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 4:01:15pm

The only reason this gets so much play is---Obama.
There were numerous rumors about Bush, Cheney, not to mention Mccain's alleged infidelity ( never proven, nor apologized for ).
The fact is that it didn't help when Obama's Kenyan relatives claimed he was born in Kenya. I see democratic talking heads still claiming that the Iraq war was "for Israel", and the Rassmussen poll showing that 35% of democrats think that Bush and Cheney knew about 9/11 in advance.---yet none of that crap gets any news play.

79 capitalist piglet  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 4:01:44pm

re: #66 shiplord kirel

It's the opposition that is in danger of being delegitimized. I think O is waiting around to see if the real GOP leadership bites on this. He can probably spring the original "Long form," hand-written birth certificate whenever he thinks it will do the most damage to the opposition's credibility.

I thought Michael Steele already established the GOP position; I thought there was a thread on it. Did I dream that?

80 tradewind  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 4:02:11pm

re: #74 sattv4u2

yep. Just the same, only different...
:)

81 Last Mohican  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 4:02:14pm

re: #67 Bobibutu

Degrading to all involved.

I watched it. That's precisely what it was. There's nobody on that video that doesn't make an ass of himself or herself.

82 LionOfDixon  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 4:02:19pm

Geez...this is what Courtney Love is gonna look like when she hits 65.

83 Cato the Elder  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 4:02:28pm

re: #78 captdiggs

The only reason this gets so much play is---Obama.
There were numerous rumors about Bush, Cheney, not to mention Mccain's alleged infidelity ( never proven, nor apologized for ).
The fact is that it didn't help when Obama's Kenyan relatives claimed he was born in Kenya. I see democratic talking heads still claiming that the Iraq war was "for Israel", and the Rassmussen poll showing that 35% of democrats think that Bush and Cheney knew about 9/11 in advance.---yet none of that crap gets any news play.

"Yet" is but another word for "but".

84 dominic yeso  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 4:02:41pm

re: #68 Cannadian Club Akbar

A lot of BS that was left unchallenged or unsuccessfully challenged and that eventually became "fact" in some political circles.

85 sattv4u2  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 4:02:58pm

re: #82 LionOfDixon

Geez...this is what Courtney Love is gonna look like when she hits 65.

HEH,,, like she'll ever see 65 with her lifestyle !

86 Flyovercountry  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 4:03:17pm

re: #66 shiplord kirel

Of course, the mere fact that he had to prove eligibility to be on the ballot 50 separate times to begin with means nothing to these kooks. This entire thing is pointless. By the way, the NYT tried this idiocy with John McCain immediately after he locked up the nomination. The big difference, none of the Democrat Leadership was dumb enough to give this a second's thought. It is mighty embarrasing indeed to think that we conservatives as a whole are willing to propogate something the Liberals were smart enough to pass by.

87 eon  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 4:03:59pm

re: #41 dominic yeso

I've been avoiding this topic up until now and now require some education from our community of Lizards ... questions -> has O released his birth certificate for public examination? If so what is the issue?

The document in question has been shown in public, in fact it was linked here on LGF a few days ago. Unfortunately, the "Nirthers" simply don't believe it.

Their philosophy is sort of a reverse of the "No true Scotsman" non sequiter. They believe that, since President Obama seems to be factually challenged on so many issues (I'm trying to be polite, here), he is incapable of telling the truth about anything. Therefore, the birth certificate must be falsified, since it cannot, by definition, be factual.

This has not been helped by the way the GOP has been playing up to the "Nirthers", in much the same way they've been schmoozing the YECkies and the IDiots. I've pretty much concluded that the RNC has decided that to win elections, they need their own little bands of hardcore and frankly dysfunctional radicals to counter those on the Democrats' side; a sort of "fight fire with fire" mindset. (They should consider that Nixon had a similar idea behind the Committee to Re-ElEct the President, aka CREEP; they should also remember how that turned out in the end.)

What surprises me is that the Nirthers haven't come up with the most obvious "explanation" for such a supposedly false document, namely a variant of the old "anchor baby" gambit in immigration fraud. But they are probably as ignorant of immigration law as they are everything else.

The one thing that is certain is that as long as the Nirthers are running off at the mouth, Obama can dismiss anyone who disagrees with him as "crazy" and "stupid" by the "guilt by association" method, and the MSM will be only too happy to help him do so. Which probably explains this dog-and-pony show on MSNBC.

/just IMHO

cheers

eon

88 callahan23  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 4:04:30pm

How on earth is someone to believe that kind of bullshit. One has to be completely delusional.
Yet there is people out there that entirely bought into the crookery of young-earth creation, just as delusional as believing against all evidence to the contrary that 9/11 was an inside-job.
I sincerely would like medical science to make scans of such delusionist and compare them to the normally functioning brain.
/ probably a big DOH will light-up in the scans

89 sattv4u2  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 4:04:41pm

re: #84 dominic yeso

A lot of BS that was left unchallenged or unsuccessfully challenged and that eventually became "fact" in some political circles.

And no matter what proof is offered many won't change their minds (think 9/11,,, think Bush invaded Iraq for oil ,,)

Again, this is GOOD for Obama. It detracts from REAL SHIT! Why would he want to quash it???

90 tradewind  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 4:05:14pm

re: #78 captdiggs

I'l say this, regardless of where he was born, for him to have been born and or raised in all the places speculated, for a teenaged, middle-class white girl from Kansas in the 60's...O's mom was a world=class globe trotter. Most unusual.

91 capitalist piglet  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 4:05:28pm

re: #78 captdiggs

The only reason this gets so much play is---Obama.
There were numerous rumors about Bush, Cheney, not to mention Mccain's alleged infidelity ( never proven, nor apologized for ).
The fact is that it didn't help when Obama's Kenyan relatives claimed he was born in Kenya. I see democratic talking heads still claiming that the Iraq war was "for Israel", and the Rassmussen poll showing that 35% of democrats think that Bush and Cheney knew about 9/11 in advance.---yet none of that crap gets any news play.

I seem to recall they even marked his "birthplace" right after the election. I wonder what the poll results there would be like. LOL

92 gregb  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 4:05:45pm

Whoah. Shrill. I have to go get some ice for my ears.

I hadn't heard the conspiracy theory about the social security numbers. :-)

93 haakondahl  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 4:06:21pm

I think we're going to need an Idiotarian of the Month award, and then select from those for the yearly award winner.

94 [deleted]  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 4:07:17pm
95 haakondahl  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 4:07:20pm

re: #55 dominic yeso

ok some help ... so why doesn't O just put a team of folks on this to compile the necessary evidence and present it? It seems likes its O's responsibility to ensure that this thing dies a proper death before it gets out of control and comes to the point where innuendo delegitimizes his administration.

Well, if the kooks on the right weren't self-destructing over this, I'm sure he would. If I were him, I'd be watching this with popcorn, and a room full of USSS.

96 Cato the Elder  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 4:07:25pm

re: #93 haakondahl

I think we're going to need an Idiotarian of the Month award, and then select from those for the yearly award winner.

This year, at least, we'll be hard put to find a liberal who can compete.

97 Sharmuta  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 4:07:53pm

re: #93 haakondahl

I think we're going to need an Idiotarian of the Month award, and then select from those for the yearly award winner.

Someone else is going to have to bring some major stupid to the table to beat this chick this year. I think she's a lock.

98 sattv4u2  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 4:07:58pm

re: #93 haakondahl

I think we're going to need an Idiotarian of the Month award, and then select from those for the yearly award winner.

getting to the point we need one DAILY

Start with 365, pair that diown to 52
52 gets to 12
12 gets you a winner

(sort of like March Madness)

99 Bob Dillon  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 4:08:30pm

re: #81 Last Mohican

I watched it. That's precisely what it was. There's nobody on that video that doesn't make an ass of himself or herself.

Gotta confess - that was the first time I saw or heard of the MSNBC folks. My last as well.

Ah, Walter, right or wrong - I do miss your style.

100 LionOfDixon  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 4:08:30pm

re: #85 sattv4u2

She'll probably turn out to be one of those Keith Richards types...the more they abuse their bodies, the stronger they get.

101 calcajun  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 4:08:42pm

Well, since we're doing Blackadder quotes on the other thread -- this seems fitting for this topic:

Blackadder:

'Everything goes over your head, doesn't it, George? You should go to Jamaica and become a limbo dancer.'
102 tradewind  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 4:08:42pm

re: #95 haakondahl

It's the old ' when your enemy is digging his own grave, let him. '
A concept the Dems have never seemed to grasp until now.

103 capitalist piglet  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 4:09:09pm

re: #96 Cato the Elder

This year, at least, we'll be hard put to find a liberal who can compete.

Oh, I don't know...if the screaming and mourning the trees in the forest video is any indication, there is never any real shortage of kooks on the left.

104 dominic yeso  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 4:09:17pm

OK folks - well done. I think I'm up to speed on this now.

Thxs -

105 sattv4u2  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 4:09:18pm

re: #96 Cato the Elder

This year, at least, we'll be hard put to find a liberal who can compete.

Why ,,, did Joe Biden die?
Nancy Pelosi?
Sebeilus?
Giethner?

106 haakondahl  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 4:09:19pm

re: #85 sattv4u2

HEH,,, like she'll ever see 65 with her lifestyle !

She hit 65 a decade ago. She's ahead of her time.

107 shiplord kirel  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 4:09:25pm

re: #79 capitalist piglet

I thought Michael Steele already established the GOP position; I thought there was a thread on it. Did I dream that?

Steele is the formal head of the party. This is not the same as the real leadership, which is a collective of present and former office holders and influential consultants. If they are so foolish as to embrace nirtherism, Steele's statement will be meaningless.
We saw those GOP congressmen (not front rank but not small-fry either) waffling and dodging on this issue. That indicates to me that there is still some indecision in the higher levels of the GOP about which way to handle this.
Of course, If I can see the trap, big-time politicians presumably can as well; but they have made mistakes before. For his part, Obama loses nothing by continuing to play it along in the hope they will bite on it.

108 LionOfDixon  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 4:09:42pm

re: #97 Sharmuta

Dan Rather is trying hard to receive top honors, asking for a Presidential Counsel on the Media. I think they tried that idea in the USSR and got something called Pravda.

109 SixDegrees  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 4:09:46pm

Meanwhile, over in Entitlement Crazy Land...

I wonder when MSNBC will be having Ms. Thompson on?

110 Sharmuta  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 4:10:25pm

re: #108 LionOfDixon

How about that BNP, huh?

111 LionOfDixon  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 4:10:41pm

re: #106 haakondahl

No wonder Cobain pulled the trigger...he found out he was schtupping a senior citizen!

112 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 4:10:48pm

re: #103 capitalist piglet

Oh, I don't know...if the screaming and mourning the trees in the forest video is any indication, there is never any real shortage of kooks on the left.

I love that video. I wish they made video bumper stickers.

113 Mauser  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 4:10:55pm

I don't get it. I made a comment the other day that said that Nirther's and Creationists use the same kind of logical fallacy, and Charles down-dinged it.

114 albusteve  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 4:11:24pm

I'm happy to be above all this nonsense...what a bunch of claptrap...it has implications but at this point I don't much care...I ask again, if there are no nirthers or Paulians or creationists, who will defeat BO?...interesting that nobody responds

115 [deleted]  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 4:11:31pm
116 haakondahl  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 4:11:49pm

re: #102 tradewind

It's the old ' when your enemy is digging his own grave, let him. '
A concept the Dems have never seemed to grasp until now.

Oh, and if the right weren't up in arms over BS, we would be winning on jobs, cars, taxes, health care, foreign policy, and whatever else you can think of that even people who voted for the President are unhappy about.

But n-o-o-o.

117 LionOfDixon  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 4:12:49pm

re: #110 Sharmuta

Gunga Dan is so much more fun to ridicule, though.

118 [deleted]  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 4:13:00pm
119 Danny  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 4:13:03pm

Granted, Taitz is a total wack job, but Schuster and Hall are, well... ugh.

120 haakondahl  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 4:13:14pm

re: #113 Mauser

I don't get it. I made a comment the other day that said that Nirther's and Creationists use the same kind of logical fallacy, and Charles down-dinged it.

Linky?

121 dominic yeso  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 4:13:25pm

re: #114 albusteve


Perhaps O will fail on his own. His policies put him on the path to failure without help from anyone.

122 Jimmah  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 4:13:44pm

This "Orly Taitz" is the new Sacha Baron Cohen character, right?

123 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 4:13:55pm

re: #114 albusteve

I'm happy to be above all this nonsense...what a bunch of claptrap...it has implications but at this point I don't much care...I ask again, if there are no nirthers or Paulians or creationists, who will defeat BO?...interesting that nobody responds

The first one that tells all kooks that they are kooks, both left and right.

124 gregb  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 4:14:01pm

re: #115 buzzsawmonkey

She kind of sounds like Arianna.

Okay, so after 3.75 Trillion dollars, Obama figures he can't win a second term, so he admits to being born in Kenya and the whole first term gets erased as a bad memory? (I'm working on a theme for my new Vonnegut story).

125 jcm  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 4:14:13pm

The Death of Corazon Aquino, Saint of People Power, 1933-2009

The arc of Corazon Aquino's life lent itself to maxims, but two hard-nosed ones seem particularly worth pointing out. First, political sainthood is a gift from heaven with a Cinderella deadline - once past midnight, you are a pumpkin. Second, personal virtues are never a guarantee of effective or successful governance. What was truly shocking about Aquino's tumultuous six-year term as President of the Philippines was that those maxims proved untrue. Midnight always threatened Aquino but never struck; and she was a good woman whose goodness alone, at the very end, was what proved enough, if only by an iota, to save her country.

The exact opposite was foretold by the husband whose murder she vowed to avenge and whose political legacy she promised to preserve. Anyone who succeeded Ferdinand Marcos, Benigno Aquino declared, would smell like horse manure six months after taking power. The residual effects of the dictatorship of Marcos and his wife Imelda, he said, could guarantee no success - only disaster, despair and failure. (See Aquino's life in photos.)

But after a popular rebellion in 1986 overthrew Marcos and proclaimed her President in his stead, Benigno Aquino's widow lasted more than six months; indeed, she lasted her entire six-year term. Furthermore, she retained a whiff of sanctity even as her government rotted, even as Filipinos worked hard to prove George Orwell's aphorism that saints are guilty until proven innocent. As Aquino ruled, every month seemed to diminish the political miracle of her astonishing rise to power, but she survived. And her survival guaranteed the continuation of democracy in her homeland. (Read TIME's 1986 Woman of the Year cover story on Aquino.)

126 [deleted]  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 4:14:20pm
127 Truck Monkey  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 4:14:42pm

re: #121 dominic yeso

Perhaps O will fail on his own. His policies put him on the path to failure without help from anyone.

FTFY

128 albusteve  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 4:15:18pm

re: #123 Cannadian Club Akbar

The first one that tells all kooks that they are kooks, both left and right.

you underestimate the voting power of these collective lunatics...they are the GOP at this point...jus askin

129 eon  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 4:15:24pm

re: #117 LionOfDixon

Gunga Dan is so much more fun to ridicule, though.

The problem with Rather is that like his hero, Jimmy Carter, just when you think up a good parody of him, he goes out and actually does something even more bizarrely inexplicable in reality.

It's sort of like trying to out-Stooge, Larry, Curly, and Moe all at once.

cheers

eon

130 jaunte  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 4:15:47pm

Maybe Penn and Teller will do a 'Bullshit' episode on the birth certificate issue.
Orly could snag another 15 minutes of fame.

131 Irish Rose  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 4:16:35pm

Wow, that one gave me a headache... Excedrin time.

132 Sharmuta  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 4:17:14pm

re: #113 Mauser

I don't get it. I made a comment the other day that said that Nirther's and Creationists use the same kind of logical fallacy, and Charles down-dinged it.

Maybe it's because your previous comments before that were stinky.

133 sattv4u2  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 4:17:18pm

re: #113 Mauser

I downdinged you on this one for whining!

134 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 4:17:31pm

re: #128 albusteve

you underestimate the voting power of these collective lunatics...they are the GOP at this point...jus askin

I think there are enough level headed people on both sides, plus Indies. Just saying. The one who stands there as both sides are screaming and talks normal.

135 albusteve  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 4:17:39pm

re: #127 Truck Monkey

FTFY

these are the very people that will vote against him...hahaha!...choose up, BO or raving kooks...I love America, don't you?

136 Cato the Elder  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 4:17:46pm

How many people are fooled by lying bullshit like "both parents have to be US citizens"?

The Constitution is a short document, people. Look it up.

And by the way, this hysterical, screeching moonbat of the right reminds me of a Russian girlfriend I once had. Whew.

137 debutaunt  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 4:17:59pm

re: #93 haakondahl

I think we're going to need an Idiotarian of the Month award, and then select from those for the yearly award winner.

It's quite possible that it will have to be on a weekly basis.

138 LionOfDixon  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 4:18:01pm

re: #129 eon

Spot on...
The ability to out-beclown oneself is the true sine qu non of an Idiotarian.

139 eon  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 4:18:07pm

re: #130 jaunte

Maybe Penn and Teller will do a 'Bullshit' episode on the birth certificate issue.
Orly could snag another 15 minutes of fame.

Upding for a good idea. I bet they'd love to get her on the hot seat.

cheers

eon

140 Cato the Elder  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 4:18:18pm

re: #133 sattv4u2

Me too.

141 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 4:18:30pm

Oh my G-d... Why G-d, Why did this one have to be Israeli? Why?

Please tell me why you think that the Jews need this?

Talk about bringing the race down...

142 Salamantis  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 4:18:34pm

To Whom It May Concern:

Please do not blame Charles for bringing these idiotic imbecilic morons to our attention; rather, blame the idiotic imbecilic morons who push this bullshit, and the other idiotic imbecilic morons in the Republican rank and file who gullibly assign it any believable credence.

143 Cato the Elder  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 4:19:30pm

re: #103 capitalist piglet

Oh, I don't know...if the screaming and mourning the trees in the forest video is any indication, there is never any real shortage of kooks on the left.

Must've missed that.

144 albusteve  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 4:19:34pm

re: #134 Cannadian Club Akbar

I think there are enough level headed people on both sides, plus Indies. Just saying. The one who stands there as both sides are screaming and talks normal.

53% voted for BO...they are less than level headed...do these people hurt the GOP or help them?...

145 haakondahl  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 4:19:46pm

re: #129 eon

The problem with Rather is that like his hero, Jimmy Carter, just when you think up a good parody of him, he goes out and actually does something even more bizarrely inexplicable in reality.

It's sort of like trying to out-Stooge, Larry, Curly, and Moe all at once.

cheers

eon

These guys got him, though. Prepare to laugh your ass off.

146 Flyovercountry  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 4:19:59pm

re: #115 buzzsawmonkey

I don't blam Orly entirely. There are an awful lot of morons following. What hapened to Drill Here Drill Now, 44 czars usurping constitutional authority, Cap and Marxism, Communist Health Care, the firing of Inspector Generals,...? The conservative movement has had a plethora of winning issues for quite a number of years, but we chose instead to try pandoring to Liberal voters by trying to steal Liberal thunder. This latest shelacking at the polls is well deserved. As long as the conservative movement tries to pandor to this lowest common denominator, we will deserve that shelacking. The onus is also on us, for falling for this nonsense. When we run on our core principles, we win. When we stray, we lose. It is that simple.

147 Killgore Trout  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 4:21:14pm

re: #143 Cato the Elder

Must've missed that.

It's a real gem...

148 jcm  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 4:21:15pm

re: #143 Cato the Elder

Must've missed that.

Here 'ya go...

149 sattv4u2  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 4:21:40pm

re: #146 Flyovercountry

When we run on our core principles, we win. When we stray, we lose. It is that simple.

Thank you, Mr Sean Hannity!

150 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 4:21:52pm

re: #144 albusteve

53% voted for BO...they are less than level headed...do these people hurt the GOP or help them?...


The kooks hurt. But the 53% that voted for him don't know why. But they will.

151 Cato the Elder  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 4:22:11pm

re: #141 LudwigVanQuixote

Oh my G-d... Why G-d, Why did this one have to be Israeli? Why?

Please tell me why you think that the Jews need this?

Talk about bringing the race down...

Be comforted - she's probably one of the many phony Jews who've sneaked into Israel from Russia in the last decades. It's the economy.

152 jcm  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 4:22:20pm

re: #147 Killgore Trout

It's a real gem...

[Video]

Get out of my bookmarks!

;-P

153 Killgore Trout  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 4:22:24pm

re: #148 jcm

Heh, close one.

154 haakondahl  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 4:23:05pm

re: #149 sattv4u2


When we run on our core principles, we win. When we stray, we lose. It is that simple.

Thank you, Mr Sean Hannity!

If Hannity managed to stumble over this obvious truth, he was peeling it from Reagan.

155 Killgore Trout  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 4:23:07pm

re: #152 jcm

Bookmarks? Cheater! I had to google.
;)

156 haakondahl  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 4:23:43pm

re: #151 Cato the Elder

Be comforted - she's probably one of the many phony Jews who've sneaked into Israel from Russia in the last decades. It's the economy.

You mean she nae a trrrue Scot?

157 albusteve  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 4:23:52pm

so to remove liberal, soft socialism from power you need to align yourself with kooks and nirthers...if there is another way forward I'm interested

158 sattv4u2  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 4:23:55pm

re: #147 Killgore Trout

NOTE TO SELF ,,,

NEVER send those ladies a bouquet of fresh CUT flowers

159 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 4:24:35pm

re: #144 albusteve

53% voted for BO...they are less than level headed...do these people hurt the GOP or help them?...

Listen whenever you get the chance..

160 jcm  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 4:24:50pm

re: #155 Killgore Trout

Bookmarks? Cheater! I had to google.
;)

LOL!

161 sattv4u2  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 4:25:03pm

re: #154 haakondahl

If Hannity managed to stumble over this obvious truth, he was peeling it from Reagan.

He says it daily

162 jcm  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 4:25:43pm

re: #158 sattv4u2

NOTE TO SELF ,,,

NEVER send those ladies a bouquet of fresh CUT flowers

I wonder what they eat?

163 Flyovercountry  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 4:25:57pm

re: #149 sattv4u2

That's funny, I haven't listened to Hannity in years. I used to find myself on the same side of many issues for differing reasons. I was never comfortable with his creationsist slant on every issue. Has he grown up? Maybe I should give him a try again.

164 haakondahl  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 4:26:07pm

re: #161 sattv4u2

He says it daily

While preening in the mirror, perhaps.

165 albusteve  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 4:26:21pm

in other words...laugh at them and condemn them all you want...this is the GOP...2010 is coming up really soon

166 haakondahl  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 4:26:30pm

re: #163 Flyovercountry

That's funny, I haven't listened to Hannity in years. I used to find myself on the same side of many issues for differing reasons. I was never comfortable with his creationsist slant on every issue. Has he grown up? Maybe I should give him a try again.

Fame has not treated him well.

167 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 4:26:58pm

I just feel ill...

Suppose all of your life, as a Jew, you had heard all of the negative stereotypes of Jews, and had them thrown in your face.

Suppose you know that you aren't like that, no one in your family is like that and no-one you know in your community is like that.

Now suppose you encounter a shrieking, classless psychotic who will happily use the Holocaust as an excuse to talk crazy and silence reason, become the worst stereotype of a fake blonde Jewish woman with too much make up and do it all with a thick Israeli accent - from Tel Aviv no less - making it look like the average Israeli buys this shit also.

I want to be ill.

She could not be a better poster girl for the Left's hatred of Jews.

Right, the Left would paint us a irrational religious nuts who use the Holocaust as a weapon. They would paint us as the ones who can not be reasoned with.

And along comes Orly... What a special neshama she must have...

168 Jimmah  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 4:27:08pm

re: #147 Killgore Trout

It's a real gem...

A comedy classic.

169 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 4:27:26pm

re: #151 Cato the Elder

Be comforted - she's probably one of the many phony Jews who've sneaked into Israel from Russia in the last decades. It's the economy.

No true Scottsman...

170 haakondahl  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 4:27:49pm

re: #158 sattv4u2

NOTE TO SELF ,,,

NEVER send those ladies a bouquet of fresh CUT flowers

Asparagus tips at 3/4".

171 [deleted]  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 4:28:03pm
172 Cato the Elder  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 4:28:50pm

re: #148 jcm

Here 'ya go...

"This rock that has so much life." (And more wit than she could stub her toe on.)

Oh, my ribs!

If you dropped these people into real old-growth forest with every possible bit of equipment, food, maps, and compasses, they'd need rescuing within a week.

And they'd piss on the GPS technology that saved 'em.

How many of them drove to that little encounter group, I wonder?

173 tradewind  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 4:29:20pm

First I wondered why she was being called a ' Queen Bee ', and then I remembered, the queen sits on her butt all day and lays eggs.
Now if we can just reeducate all the drones...

174 Salamantis  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 4:29:46pm

Do antiabortionist Vegans criticize the eating of corn, peas and beans?

/I won't even get into egg-eating...

175 dominic yeso  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 4:30:13pm

re: #163 Flyovercountry

I think that Hannity gets too focused on things that ran their course - Bill Ayers for example. I say run the course in the general public sense where the issue lacks a critical mass of resonance.

176 albusteve  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 4:30:15pm

fiscal conservatives better move extremely fast...find some leadership and get the message out...otherwise the creationists and nirthers will be carrying GOP water...ain't that somethin

177 haakondahl  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 4:30:41pm

re: #171 buzzsawmonkey

I couldn;t watch more than a minute of that nonsense. Even if she were ex-Soviet, she should know better than to ignore all the socialism and just attack the paper.
She's self-promoting in what I hope is a spectacularly unsuccessful fashion.

178 Cato the Elder  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 4:31:26pm

re: #167 LudwigVanQuixote

I just feel ill...

Suppose all of your life, as a Jew, you had heard all of the negative stereotypes of Jews, and had them thrown in your face.

Suppose you know that you aren't like that, no one in your family is like that and no-one you know in your community is like that.

Now suppose you encounter a shrieking, classless psychotic who will happily use the Holocaust as an excuse to talk crazy and silence reason, become the worst stereotype of a fake blonde Jewish woman with too much make up and do it all with a thick Israeli accent - from Tel Aviv no less - making it look like the average Israeli buys this shit also.

I want to be ill.

She could not be a better poster girl for the Left's hatred of Jews.

Right, the Left would paint us a irrational religious nuts who use the Holocaust as a weapon. They would paint us as the ones who can not be reasoned with.

And along comes Orly... What a special neshama she must have...

That is NOT an Israeli accent. Pure, unadulterated Russian crazy-bitch talk.

Not that Joe Sixpack will know the difference, but let's be clear about it.

179 haakondahl  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 4:31:42pm

re: #176 albusteve

fiscal conservatives better move extremely fast...find some leadership and get the message out...otherwise the creationists and nirthers will be carrying GOP water...ain't that somethin

I liked Giuliani and Romney, in that order.

180 eon  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 4:32:17pm

re: #145 haakondahl

These guys got him, though. Prepare to laugh your ass off.

Thanks. When I got up off the floor, I remembered why I avoided watching CBS News when Gunga Dan was in charge.

These days, I get the feeling that he's mortally offended by the fact that in spite of all his prognostications of destruction, we have neither given him and those like him the absolute power they are obsessed with, or just collectively killed ourselves.

"How can you live without My guidance? Why have you not sacrificed yourself to me?"

The fact that we haven't done either one seems to be progressively unhinging what little mind he has left.

/Is schadenfreude immoral in such a situation? Just wondering.

cheers

eon

181 haakondahl  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 4:32:24pm

re: #178 Cato the Elder

That is NOT an Israeli accent. Pure, unadulterated Russian crazy-bitch talk.

Not that Joe Sixpack will know the difference, but let's be clear about it.

Breathe. Brreeathhe. She's out of your life.

182 the_thermonuclear_pickle  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 4:32:38pm

How is it that I am forced by virtue of birth to be of the same stock as this nitwit?

(Russian Jew)

Can someone just take Orly Taitz out back, give her a good talking too and set her on some real important issues, like prevention of women looking like dolled-up prostitutes on MSNBC.

183 Jack Burton  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 4:32:49pm

re: #97 Sharmuta

Someone else is going to have to bring some major stupid to the table to beat this chick this year. I think she's a lock.

The only 2 on the left that come anywhere close so far are Ariana Huffington with her anti-vaxxer and other woo-woo new age bullshit alternative medicine stuff, and Dan Rather with his "I think the government should run the media and appoint me Media CommiCzar" moment.

184 [deleted]  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 4:32:50pm
185 Salamantis  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 4:33:30pm

re: #177 haakondahl

I couldn;t watch more than a minute of that nonsense. Even if she were ex-Soviet, she should know better than to ignore all the socialism and just attack the paper.
She's self-promoting in what I hope is a spectacularly unsuccessful fashion.

It's the National Enquirer model followed by the stars:

These days, there is no such thing as bad publicity, because notoriety gets you even more public attention, which you can charge lucrative appearance fees to feed.

186 haakondahl  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 4:34:08pm

We have met the enemy who "just can't help themselves", and they are us.

187 haakondahl  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 4:34:41pm

re: #185 Salamantis

It's the National Enquirer model followed by the stars:

These days, there is no such thing as bad publicity, because notoriety gets you even more public attention, which you can charge lucrative appearance fees to feed.

[SIGH]

I'm afraid you're right.

188 sattv4u2  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 4:34:47pm

re: #179 haakondahl

I liked Giuliani and Romney, in that order.

From what I'm seeing, you'll get your chance at one of them in 2012

189 dominic yeso  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 4:34:58pm

re: #179 haakondahl

From what I've heard from Newt Gingrich lately I would say he's an excellent spokesperson for the cause. I doubt that he's re-electable but he's a fine resource to carry on until we get the right persons in place.

190 rightymouse  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 4:35:07pm

re: #146 Flyovercountry

There are morons and then there are, well...

191 albusteve  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 4:35:08pm

re: #179 haakondahl

I liked Giuliani and Romney, in that order.

me too...exactly like that...but how do fiscal conservatives ingest the votes but reject the creationism and nirther ideology?...better start getting a plan together

192 Jimmah  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 4:35:48pm

re: #167 LudwigVanQuixote

Here's something to put you in a better mood, Ludwig:

193 LionOfDixon  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 4:35:52pm

re: #145 haakondahl

"A tide of human violence and misery" goes well when interspersed with Dan asking the all-important question "Raincoat ---on or off?" for 40 minutes.

194 Christopher Luebcke  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 4:36:54pm

I like this issue. Just like 9/11 Trooferism, it's an "I'm An Idiot" badge that people happily put on.

I'm also unsympathetic to the appeal to meta-conspiracy--that not only is the conspiracy true, but the conspirators continually plant phony evidence to in support of it, only to be able to point out later that only an idiot would believe the evidence. You're a sucker either way, but you just keep digging yourself deeper, that's fine.

195 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 4:37:08pm

re: #178 Cato the Elder

That is NOT an Israeli accent. Pure, unadulterated Russian crazy-bitch talk.

Not that Joe Sixpack will know the difference, but let's be clear about it.

Well yes and no. I assure you that is not a Muscovite accent. She has the kind of Israeli accent that Russians who emigrated there have. But I will happily concede the pure, unadulterated Russian crazy bitch talk.

196 albusteve  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 4:37:41pm

re: #194 Christopher Luebcke

I like this issue. Just like 9/11 Trooferism, it's an "I'm An Idiot" badge that people happily put on.

I'm also unsympathetic to the appeal to meta-conspiracy--that not only is the conspiracy true, but the conspirators continually plant phony evidence to in support of it, only to be able to point out later that only an idiot would believe the evidence. You're a sucker either way, but you just keep digging yourself deeper, that's fine.

so what?...what's next?...think ahead amigo

197 Flyovercountry  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 4:37:55pm

re: #171 buzzsawmonkey

Well written, I conceed on many points. She should show much more sense. She is shrill, and why is she even involving herself in American Politics anyhow?

I will say, after spending way too much time in court, the facts matter a lot less than you would hope. People don't need facts to raise allegations in court. there are an awful lot of people giving this bubble headed excuse for an attorney a forum. There are a lot more listening to this drivel and ignoring the man behind the curtain. I wish Orly would desist, I wish even harder that those listening would snap out of it. If Orly kept blathering and nobody listened, the Dems would be dead in 2010. It is those providing the forum and those listening who are the real disappointment.

198 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 4:37:56pm

re: #178 Cato the Elder

That is NOT an Israeli accent. Pure, unadulterated Russian crazy-bitch talk.

Not that Joe Sixpack will know the difference, but let's be clear about it.

P.S. my ancestry is Russian Jewish

199 LionOfDixon  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 4:39:26pm

We wouldn't be in this mess if everyone had just voted for Fred Thompson.

200 albusteve  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 4:39:42pm

re: #197 Flyovercountry

Well written, I conceed on many points. She should show much more sense. She is shrill, and why is she even involving herself in American Politics anyhow?

I will say, after spending way too much time in court, the facts matter a lot less than you would hope. People don't need facts to raise allegations in court. there are an awful lot of people giving this bubble headed excuse for an attorney a forum. There are a lot more listening to this drivel and ignoring the man behind the curtain. I wish Orly would desist, I wish even harder that those listening would snap out of it. If Orly kept blathering and nobody listened, the Dems would be dead in 2010. It is those providing the forum and those listening who are the real disappointment.

if wishes were horses, beggers would ride

201 the_thermonuclear_pickle  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 4:39:47pm

re: #191 albusteve

but how do fiscal conservatives ingest the votes but reject the creationism and nirther ideology?

Oh that's easy. Dump the religious right-wing movement and nirther kooks and pick up the middle-ground voters that now vote Democrat. Pick up the homosexual vote too - the Christian right is kidding themselves if they think that preventing gay marriage or gay rights is going to prevent one gay man bending another gay man over in the comfort and safety of their bedroom.

The Republicans would have to become a party of individual liberty and family values with a conservative economic policy, a non-isolationist foreign policy and a strict science-based theme - no creationism, no AGW mitigation strategies, no cap-and-trade, no god-squad bible-bashing and no nirtherism.

202 [deleted]  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 4:40:08pm
203 sattv4u2  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 4:40:37pm

re: #199 LionOfDixon

We wouldn't be in this mess if everyone had just voted for Fred Thompson could have stayed awake during the primnaries.

ftfy

204 Salamantis  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 4:40:52pm

Orly Taitz: The Far-Right's version of Cindy Sheehan.

/I would have said Cynthis McKinney, but she's been elected to public office; there the comparison is to Michelle Bachman.

205 albusteve  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 4:41:22pm

re: #201 the_thermonuclear_pickle

Oh that's easy. Dump the religious right-wing movement and nirther kooks and pick up the middle-ground voters that now vote Democrat. Pick up the homosexual vote too - the Christian right is kidding themselves if they think that preventing gay marriage or gay rights is going to prevent one gay man bending another gay man over in the comfort and safety of their bedroom.

The Republicans would have to become a party of individual liberty and family values with a conservative economic policy, a non-isolationist foreign policy and a strict science-based theme - no creationism, no AGW mitigation strategies, no cap-and-trade, no god-squad bible-bashing and no nirtherism.

sounds nice...the shrinking tent theory, but it won't win elections

206 haakondahl  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 4:41:22pm

re: #189 dominic yeso

From what I've heard from Newt Gingrich lately I would say he's an excellent spokesperson for the cause. I doubt that he's re-electable but he's a fine resource to carry on until we get the right persons in place.

Agreed. Newt is an outstanding spokesman, and he will be far more effective if he stops trying to use uncertainty about running as a force multiplier. He should declare himself a front-bencher, but not in contention. That will let real contenders bring him fully aboard.

207 albusteve  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 4:41:55pm

re: #202 buzzsawmonkey

What if they were Studebakers?

with Caddy seats...sweet

208 LionOfDixon  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 4:42:36pm

re: #203 sattv4u2

Confucious say: Crowd never questions sleeping man's birthplace.

209 haakondahl  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 4:42:55pm

re: #191 albusteve

me too...exactly like that...but how do fiscal conservatives ingest the votes but reject the creationism and nirther ideology?...better start getting a plan together

Agreed. The next nominee had better push hard for a big-tent camp, or Nominee will be the only title awarded.

210 JarHeadLifer  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 4:43:27pm

Orly is a a one-woman circus side show, who probably shouldn't be taken seriously on any subject, let alone as one as complicated as Constitutional law.

Having said that, what is the American media doing targeting, mocking and marginalizing a private citizen who's engaged in America's most protected right - the right of free speech specifically as it pertains to criticism of the government. We have gone from an environment where the sitting president couldn't order lunch without media scrutiny and criticism, to an atmosphere where the sitting American president can call a under-paid, hard working civil servant a racist without a single shred of evidence that supports such an allegation. And, Obama gets a pass for it in the traditional media. Scary stuff folks.

211 haakondahl  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 4:44:16pm

re: #199 LionOfDixon

We wouldn't be in this mess if everyone had just voted for Fred Thompson.

No, we would be in a far different mess. But at least we'd get to watch him call people stupid in a far more entertaining manner.

212 the_thermonuclear_pickle  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 4:45:16pm

re: #205 albusteve

sounds nice...the shrinking tent theory, but it won't win elections

You'll be surprised. Read the history of your country (I'm assuming you're American). Before the 60s, the Republicans were the liberals - it was a Republican president and a Republican governor who integrated black kids into white schools. It was a Republican president who fought the civil war. It was the Democrats who appealed to racism, to xenophobia, to the religious right.

And then the Republicans flipped with Nixon and still won elections.

Don't underestimate the appreciation people have (especially Americans) for positive change. It will be rewarded.

213 LionOfDixon  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 4:45:28pm

re: #210 JarHeadLifer

Bravo.

214 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 4:45:35pm

re: #197 Flyovercountry

Well written, I conceed on many points. She should show much more sense. She is shrill, and why is she even involving herself in American Politics anyhow?

I will say, after spending way too much time in court, the facts matter a lot less than you would hope. People don't need facts to raise allegations in court. there are an awful lot of people giving this bubble headed excuse for an attorney a forum. There are a lot more listening to this drivel and ignoring the man behind the curtain. I wish Orly would desist, I wish even harder that those listening would snap out of it. If Orly kept blathering and nobody listened, the Dems would be dead in 2010. It is those providing the forum and those listening who are the real disappointment.

She might have dual citizenship.

215 Sharmuta  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 4:45:39pm

re: #210 JarHeadLifer

Having said that, what is the American media doing targeting, mocking and marginalizing a private citizen who's engaged in America's most protected right - the right of free speech specifically as it pertains to criticism of the government.

She's been "targeted" because she's pushing a bogus kookspiracy. She's earning every bit or mockery being heaped upon her.

216 eon  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 4:45:54pm

re: #202 buzzsawmonkey

What if they were Studebakers?

Then they'd be buckboards or surreys. (Studebaker predated the automobile by several decades; among their earliest products were four-wheeled spring-suspension horsedrawn ambulances for the Union Army.)

And on that historical note, I must call it a day. (Got up at four, and my eyes are starting to look bedward whether I like it or not.)

Good Night, Lizards.

Sleep tight.

cheers

eon

217 haakondahl  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 4:46:04pm

re: #201 the_thermonuclear_pickle

Oh that's easy. Dump the religious right-wing movement and nirther kooks and pick up the middle-ground voters that now vote Democrat. Pick up the homosexual vote too - the Christian right is kidding themselves if they think that preventing gay marriage or gay rights is going to prevent one gay man bending another gay man over in the comfort and safety of their bedroom.

The Republicans would have to become a party of individual liberty and family values with a conservative economic policy, a non-isolationist foreign policy and a strict science-based theme - no creationism, no AGW mitigation strategies, no cap-and-trade, no god-squad bible-bashing and no nirtherism.

I always liked the Log Cabin Republicans. Those are some folks who have made hard decisions about priorities.

218 rightymouse  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 4:47:11pm

re: #203 sattv4u2

ftfy

And we got a rock star on socialist steroids instead.

219 Cato the Elder  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 4:47:50pm

re: #195 LudwigVanQuixote

Well yes and no. I assure you that is not a Muscovite accent. She has the kind of Israeli accent that Russians who emigrated there have. But I will happily concede the pure, unadulterated Russian crazy bitch talk.

You probably detect a difference that escapes me. To these ears, she sounds like every non-Jewish Russian with a tin ear for English who ever stepped straight off the boat and headed for Brighton Beach.

But I sure do feel your pain. Poor Israel.

220 Salamantis  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 4:47:55pm

re: #217 haakondahl

I always liked the Log Cabin Republicans. Those are some folks who have made hard decisions about priorities.

Just curious; was this pun intentional or un-?

221 Flyovercountry  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 4:47:59pm

re: #199 LionOfDixon

Fred Thompson is fine for Tennessee. I am a little leary of the folks that came from the Nixon Whithouse. Then, there is the whole association with Spencer Abraham thing. I'd be happier with Newt as a conservative spokesperson.

222 haakondahl  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 4:48:06pm

re: #205 albusteve

sounds nice...the shrinking tent theory, but it won't win elections

No, nobody needs to be rebuked for beliefs, just made to understand that no single pet cause gets to dictate the shape of the party. This is Big-Tent politics.

223 teleskiguy  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 4:48:45pm
224 [deleted]  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 4:49:00pm
225 A Man for all Seasons  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 4:49:56pm

Hi Lizards!
Hope you are well...

226 albusteve  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 4:50:31pm

re: #209 haakondahl

Agreed. The next nominee had better push hard for a big-tent camp, or Nominee will be the only title awarded.

if blogs are so important, if LGF has any cred, than maybe we should start thinking a way to revive some legit opposition to the donks...Republicans better start thinking about how to live with these fringe kooks, instead of spending a million words on what we already know...it's a fair topic and I don't diss Charles for posting this stuff but a nirther slam fest gets nothing accomplished...it looks like they are here to stay...I could be wrong...Steele was way late, a lack of cohesive leadership is killing the GOP...voters are gonna have to make choices again between bad and worse...I just ask questions hoping to find some solutions

227 Vicious Michigan Union Thug  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 4:50:36pm

re: #167 LudwigVanQuixote

I just feel ill...

Suppose all of your life, as a Jew, you had heard all of the negative stereotypes of Jews, and had them thrown in your face.

Suppose you know that you aren't like that, no one in your family is like that and no-one you know in your community is like that.

Now suppose you encounter a shrieking, classless psychotic who will happily use the Holocaust as an excuse to talk crazy and silence reason, become the worst stereotype of a fake blonde Jewish woman with too much make up and do it all with a thick Israeli accent - from Tel Aviv no less - making it look like the average Israeli buys this shit also.

I want to be ill.

She could not be a better poster girl for the Left's hatred of Jews.

Right, the Left would paint us a irrational religious nuts who use the Holocaust as a weapon. They would paint us as the ones who can not be reasoned with.

And along comes Orly... What a special neshama she must have...

She has a thick RUSSIAN accent, no [true] Israeli talks like that. She sounds like Adam Sandler in "The Zohan."

228 tradewind  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 4:51:16pm

re: #202 buzzsawmonkey

You could trade 'em in for a 4500 clunker credit.
Seriously... has anyone questioned why the cars being junked aren't, in many cases, donated to needy people/causes? I understand that the Dems are a tad short in the charity gene department, but this should have been a no-brainer.
Give a new parolee a suit , ten bucks, and a clunker!
Give an illegal immigrant a clunker !
The possibilities are endless.

229 LionOfDixon  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 4:51:26pm

re: #221 Flyovercountry

Either is vastly superior to the poseur currently occupying the White House.

230 callahan23  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 4:51:56pm

re: #225 HoosierHoops

Hi Lizards!
Hope you are well...

Well, yes thank you buddy.
How was fishing or whatever endeavor you took to today?

231 albusteve  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 4:52:07pm

re: #212 the_thermonuclear_pickle

You'll be surprised. Read the history of your country (I'm assuming you're American). Before the 60s, the Republicans were the liberals - it was a Republican president and a Republican governor who integrated black kids into white schools. It was a Republican president who fought the civil war. It was the Democrats who appealed to racism, to xenophobia, to the religious right.

And then the Republicans flipped with Nixon and still won elections.

Don't underestimate the appreciation people have (especially Americans) for positive change. It will be rewarded.

Nixons silent majority...I've ragged about these voters all along...how do you get them to the polls?

232 haakondahl  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 4:52:17pm

re: #220 Salamantis

Just curious; was this pun intentional or un-?

It's only a pun if you're laughing at them. Likewise with the term "Log Cabin". I think of it as a Lincoln reference, of the social and faithful-to-origins variety, not the kooky attempted gay-Lincoln revision variety.

233 JarHeadLifer  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 4:52:59pm

re: #215 Sharmuta

She's been "targeted" because she's pushing a bogus kookspiracy. She's earning every bit or mockery being heaped upon her.

I don't care if she immolates on the steps of the US Supreme Court. While the US broadcast networks, cable networks and major print outlets go out of their way to mock people as birthers, nuts and whackos, they don't spend a critical minute examining Obama's own misleading statements, obfuscation and downright lies in his attempt to wrest control of 1/6th of America's economy from the hands of private enterprise. That's the story of the day. Not some nutbird California dentist and her idiotic claims.

The New York Times has had multiple stories in recent weeks on this "birther" movement. But, they don't a SINGLE story on their website or the print edition on the firing of Gerald Walpin. If you don't know who Gerald Walpin is, I've proved my point.

234 Dancing along the light of day  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 4:53:23pm

re: #225 HoosierHoops

HH! Are you on vacation?

235 A Man for all Seasons  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 4:53:33pm

re: #230 callahan23

Well, yes thank you buddy.
How was fishing or whatever endeavor you took to today?

Hello my friend...Drove around the lake..watched NASCAR...The party is just getting started...
Hope you are well

236 haakondahl  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 4:53:52pm

re: #229 LionOfDixon

Either is vastly superior to the poseur currently occupying the White House.

Neither will ever be elected, unlike the incumbent.

237 tradewind  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 4:53:54pm

re: #223 teleskiguy

I made that mistake in an earlier thread as well. Actually, he is saying he is not a nirther, he believes the Hawaiin hospital's report, but that all the nirthyness is distracting and O should put a stop to it.

238 Salamantis  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 4:53:55pm

re: #232 haakondahl

It's only a pun if you're laughing at them. Likewise with the term "Log Cabin". I think of it as a Lincoln reference, of the social and faithful-to-origins variety, not the kooky attempted gay-Lincoln revision variety.

Actually, from what I understand, "Log Cabin" is a double entendre, also obliquely referring to the colon.

239 tradewind  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 4:54:59pm

re: #231 albusteve

There's this pesky little fact of the nation's changing demographics. Has a lot to do with changing voting patterns.

240 capitalist piglet  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 4:56:01pm

re: #143 Cato the Elder

Must've missed that.

I see Killgore and jcm took care of this (thanks you guys). I laugh and laugh whenever I see that thing. Oh my...tears in my eyes.

241 [deleted]  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 4:56:11pm
242 albusteve  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 4:56:19pm

better get used to the idea of living with nirthers, Paulians, and konspirokrats...someone got a better idea that wins elections?

243 callahan23  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 4:56:26pm

re: #235 HoosierHoops

Hello my friend...Drove around the lake..watched NASCAR...The party is just getting started...
Hope you are well

Just great, some friends and I took part tonight in our usual pub-quiz. We've won. Yeah.

244 tradewind  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 4:56:27pm

PIMF
dammit, Hawaiian.

245 Sharmuta  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 4:57:04pm

re: #233 JarHeadLifer

I don't care if she immolates on the steps of the US Supreme Court. While the US broadcast networks, cable networks and major print outlets go out of their way to mock people as birthers, nuts and whackos, they don't spend a critical minute examining Obama's own misleading statements, obfuscation and downright lies in his attempt to wrest control of 1/6th of America's economy from the hands of private enterprise. That's the story of the day. Not some nutbird California dentist and her idiotic claims.

The New York Times has had multiple stories in recent weeks on this "birther" movement. But, they don't a SINGLE story on their website or the print edition on the firing of Gerald Walpin. If you don't know who Gerald Walpin is, I've proved my point.

Bitch to some one else. Or maybe discuss Officer Crowley some more with someone. There's plenty of bullshit keeping critical eyes off Congress, but this woman and her movement are killing the one thing that can stop the democrats in Washington- any chance for the gop to win seats in 2010.

246 tradewind  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 4:57:26pm

re: #241 buzzsawmonkey

I thought the log cabin reference was an inside joke that stemmed from the insert tab a into slot b instructions in Lincoln logs.

247 horse  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 4:57:53pm

And Taitz's spirit, ranging for revenge,
With Ate by her side come hot from hell,
Shall in these confines with a birther's voice
Cry 'Havoc,' and let slip the dogs of wacky conspiracies

248 haakondahl  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 4:57:54pm

re: #238 Salamantis

Christ. Isn't that what I just said, albeit and MANIFESTLY not in such terms? You don't have to explain everything in such flaming detail. I specifically did not want to get into explications of gay puns. It doesn't bode well for a big-tent party.

249 A Man for all Seasons  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 4:58:21pm

re: #234 Floral Giraffe

HH! Are you on vacation?

Hey you! Vacation is good...Hope you are well...
/you see that progress bar? That's my batteries being recharged

250 tradewind  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 4:58:27pm

re: #242 albusteve

nirthers, Paulians, and konspirokrats..

...
Oh My.

251 [deleted]  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 4:58:53pm
252 teleskiguy  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 4:59:01pm

re: #237 tradewind
If Chuck Norris is posting on WorldNutDaily asking the president to produce a nirth certifikit, he's a nirther in my mind. Though he is polite in tone, he even finishes the letter off with a hearty "Happy Birthday Mr. President!"

253 haakondahl  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 4:59:59pm

Not that I think Sal is anti-gay. Far from it.

254 albusteve  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 5:00:10pm

re: #239 tradewind

There's this pesky little fact of the nation's changing demographics. Has a lot to do with changing voting patterns.

just who are you referring to?...voters in this country continuously vote against their own best interests

255 Salamantis  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 5:01:53pm

re: #253 haakondahl

Not that I think Sal is anti-gay. Far from it.

I have three gay cousins, two male and one female. They are family, I love them, and want them to have all the opportunities available to them that us straight folks have in America.

256 Sharmuta  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 5:02:23pm

re: #224 buzzsawmonkey

You make some valid points about the larger sorry state of accountability today, and about the right of free speech.

That said, however, the fact that coverage of Orly and her cohorts crowds out any genuine accountability does not make me want to grant her any laurels whatsoever as the free speech poster girl.

Who is violating her free speech?

257 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 5:03:00pm

re: #227 Alouette

She has a thick RUSSIAN accent, no [true] Israeli talks like that. She sounds like Adam Sandler in "The Zohan."

See my comment to Cato on this. She certainly is originally a Russian. She however speaks English like a Russian who learned English in Israel.

In any case, she's clearly Jewish enough to have a very Hebrew name and she was being interviewed from TA. Please, please believe that I wish there was some way we could declaim her.

Which is an awesome irony if you think about it... I want to prove her birth certificate is from somewhere else too.

258 Russkilitlover  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 5:03:09pm

re: #242 albusteve

better get used to the idea of living with nirthers, Paulians, and konspirokrats...someone got a better idea that wins elections?

Not a good thing to dwell on. The Republican party seems to be trying to separate itself from these kooks but the MSM won't let them. They know is a good goading tool - a hot poker to keep the opposition off balance. Don't fall for it! It's far beyond its shelf life!

Health care is being prepared to be rammed down our throats outside of congressional procedure, Cash for Clunkers is a fucking joke - and no more a "stimulus" than the breaks given to unqualified homebuyers for the past several years. (Yes, chickens WILL come home to roost on this scam as well.) Afghanistan is turning into a death spiral.

Nirthers? Birthers? Pffft!!! Marginalize them already and get back on topic!

259 kiwiviv  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 5:04:08pm

Bill O'Reilly is slamming the conservatives over the birth certificate issue - telling them it is crazy and will hurt them in the future

260 tradewind  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 5:04:24pm

re: #252 teleskiguy

That's because a) tomorrow IS the president's birthday, and b) it's Norris' wife's as well.

261 A Man for all Seasons  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 5:04:36pm

re: #255 Salamantis

I have three gay cousins, two male and one female. They are family, I love them, and want them to have all the opportunities available to them that us straight folks have in America.

Nice Post...and very brave. My little sis is gay..I will defend her with my life...This is family we are talking about...Leave your bigotry at the door..Please...

262 [deleted]  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 5:04:46pm
263 Last Mohican  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 5:05:00pm

re: #252 teleskiguy

If Chuck Norris is posting on WorldNutDaily asking the president to produce a nirth certifikit, he's a nirther in my mind. Though he is polite in tone, he even finishes the letter off with a hearty "Happy Birthday Mr. President!"

I thought it was nice how Chuck Norris started his nirther letter to the president by making some friendly small talk. You know, just to be cordial.

Dear Mr. President:

First, happy birthday. I do hope Aug. 4 is an enjoyable day for you and your family. Coincidentally, I also will be celebrating this week the birth of someone dear to me, my beloved wife, Gena, whose birthday is on Aug. 9.

Speaking of birthdays...

264 kiwiviv  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 5:06:28pm

O'Reilley thinks the nirthers are as crazy as the truthers - most lizards would agree with O'Reilly on this one.

265 SixDegrees  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 5:06:30pm

re: #256 Sharmuta

Who is violating her free speech?

No one, that I can see. She's speakin' up a storm.

266 albusteve  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 5:06:30pm

re: #258 Russkilitlover

Not a good thing to dwell on. The Republican party seems to be trying to separate itself from these kooks but the MSM won't let them. They know is a good goading tool - a hot poker to keep the opposition off balance. Don't fall for it! It's far beyond its shelf life!

Health care is being prepared to be rammed down our throats outside of congressional procedure, Cash for Clunkers is a fucking joke - and no more a "stimulus" than the breaks given to unqualified homebuyers for the past several years. (Yes, chickens WILL come home to roost on this scam as well.) Afghanistan is turning into a death spiral.

Nirthers? Birthers? Pffft!!! Marginalize them already and get back on topic!

how do you marginalize so many voters?...do you disregard the polls and these threads Charles puts up?

267 sattv4u2  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 5:06:39pm

re: #238 Salamantis

Actually, from what I understand, "Log Cabin" is a double entendre, also obliquely referring to the colon.

Nope. The original group started in California and wanted to call themselves the "Lincoln Club", but there already was a California organization by tyhat name, so they took Log Cabin as their name. When it spread, the national organization adopted the name

268 callahan23  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 5:07:40pm

re: #255 Salamantis

I have three gay cousins, two male and one female. They are family, I love them, and want them to have all the opportunities available to them that us straight folks have in America.


re: #261 HoosierHoops

Nice Post...and very brave. My little sis is gay..I will defend her with my life...This is family we are talking about...Leave your bigotry at the door..Please...

I have friends who are some of the nicest people I know and as small and untrained in hand-to-hand combat I am I'd jump into the fray defending them.

269 Sharmuta  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 5:07:45pm

re: #262 buzzsawmonkey

JarHeadLifer brought up her free speech and you agreed with him. I'm wondering where the problem is.

270 rwmofo  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 5:08:42pm

So MSNBC is agreeing with Ann Coulter? Multiple heads are simultaneously exploding.

271 Roger  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 5:09:20pm

I was born on a couch in a one room cinder-block building my folks were remodeling and adding to to make a split-level home in rural Pennsylvania. No birth certificate; just a note scribbled by my mom's doctor. Guess I should never run for POTUS.

272 Russkilitlover  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 5:09:58pm

re: #266 albusteve

how do you marginalize so many voters?...do you disregard the polls and these threads Charles puts up?

Yes! To the extent that it keeps us seething and otherwise occupied from current events. This is a marginal issue and the MSM is USING YOU and all others who keep this Nirther topic front and center. Marginalize it or die by it. It's the long range 3-pt. shot of politics. There is SO MUCH more to hammer this administration on, which, in light of recent Town Hall Meetings is resonating with constitutents FAR more than this Nirther/Birther crap.

Don't Take The Bait!

273 Roger  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 5:10:31pm

re: #271 Roger

cont. Oh and the good Doc wasn't there when I was born.

274 jcm  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 5:10:48pm

Seattle's Moonbats Love the Blue Angels!

*NOT*

Spiffy D wrote:

Fighter jets are made to kill people, so when I hear or see one, that's what I think of.
It's not appropriate for war machines to be included in a supposedly family-friendly civic celebration for the purpose of military recruitment.

Kathy B.wrote:

From the Blue Angels website:
"The Blue Angels' mission is to enhance Navy and Marine Corps recruiting efforts and to represent the naval service to the United States, its elected leadership and foreign nations. "
It is bad enough that military recruiters have to have access to minors in schools...having this arrogant display of militarism and resource wasting in the face of closing schools and mounting debt is disgusting. It is not the sound of freedom.

KeepYourHeadsInTheSand wrote:

It's the sound of thousands of gallons of finite petroleum being consumed.
It's the sound of millions of taxpayers' dollars being turned into a circus performance to entertain the drunken drones.
It's the sound of a rare bird being pureed by a jet engine for no other reason that to mollify the mindless masses.
It's the sound of a homeless child crying because she has no food.
It's the sound of a blue-collar worker sighing as he looks over his mounting health-care costs.

275 Salamantis  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 5:10:59pm

re: #267 sattv4u2

Nope. The original group started in California and wanted to call themselves the "Lincoln Club", but there already was a California organization by that name, so they took Log Cabin as their name. When it spread, the national organization adopted the name

Thanks for the education; I obviously didn't know that.

LGF has always and ever been, and still remains, a rich learning experience - a main reason for its continued popularity, I believe.

276 A Man for all Seasons  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 5:11:36pm

re: #271 Roger

I was born on a couch in a one room cinder-block building my folks were remodeling and adding to to make a split-level home in rural Pennsylvania. No birth certificate; just a note scribbled by my mom's doctor. Guess I should never run for POTUS.

Sorry Roger...POTUS is out of the Question...
A position at the UN should open soon

277 [deleted]  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 5:11:56pm
278 haakondahl  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 5:12:51pm

re: #258 Russkilitlover

Afghanistan is turning into a death spiral.

Horse Shit.

The media is having fun, as it does from time to time, examining a shiny object. Afghanistan is difficult, as any honest person will admit, and will remain difficult for quite some time. Expect to see advances and setbacks. Expect to see every little bit of negative news from there magnified either by our enemies or their enablers in the MSM. And expect us to remain there for a long, long time.

I am just coming back from my first tour there. I am currently in Kuwait, waiting on plane. I will probably go back at some point, either in the military, or with some other agency (looking at options to serve).

You will hear a lot of complaining about things, and a lot of that is quite valid. We are fucking up some incredibly important things, and many of those are being addresses, some better than others. Others still are getting little attention.

We did not win WWII or any other war through an unbroken series of battlefield victories and sound strategic decisions. We won every war we ever won through soul-numbing, clenched-teeth determination, in the huts, on the battlefield, and all the way up to the White House. It's hard to stay focused when the enemy succeeds. It's even harder when we screw things up through what you might call unforced errors. But it's the only thing that works.

Afghanistan will not be won in a year, or in five, or in ten. It may be a lot better in ten years, and I certainly hope so. This is one of those "hinge of the world" problems, and we had better treat it as the long-term, difficult priority that it is.

Death Spiral, my ass.

279 Sharmuta  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 5:13:10pm

re: #272 Russkilitlover

Yes! To the extent that it keeps us seething and otherwise occupied from current events. This is a marginal issue and the MSM is USING YOU and all others who keep this Nirther topic front and center. Marginalize it or die by it. It's the long range 3-pt. shot of politics. There is SO MUCH more to hammer this administration on, which, in light of recent Town Hall Meetings is resonating with constitutents FAR more than this Nirther/Birther crap.

Don't Take The Bait!

That's how some felt last week, but to no avail.

280 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 5:13:25pm

re: #274 jcm

Seattle's Moonbats Love the Blue Angels!

*NOT*

OK, anyone who doesn't like fighter jets is simply messed up. Particularly any boy.

281 Salamantis  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 5:13:41pm

re: #277 buzzsawmonkey

He said that he finds it distressing that someone is being mocked for exercising her free speech, when so much other stuff is being ignored.

If you reread my post, you will note that I agreed with him that accountability has indeed gone to pot, and that Taitz is indeed exercising her right of free speech--and that, that said, I did not want her to be the poster girl for free speech because she is off her nut.

None of which boils down to my saying that anyone is suppressing her right of free speech in any way.

In fact, we are exercizing the selfsame right of free speech when we mock her nirther lunacy that she is exercising when she promotes it.

282 sattv4u2  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 5:13:55pm

re: #275 Salamantis

Thanks for the education; I obviously didn't know that.

LGF has always and ever been, and still remains, a rich learning experience - a main reason for its continued popularity, I believe.

It was me who was educated. I know the Georgia chapters President

283 [deleted]  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 5:14:12pm
284 Russkilitlover  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 5:14:15pm

re: #279 Sharmuta

That's how some felt last week, but to no avail.

How so? I don't know what you are telling me.

285 albusteve  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 5:14:39pm

re: #272 Russkilitlover

Yes! To the extent that it keeps us seething and otherwise occupied from current events. This is a marginal issue and the MSM is USING YOU and all others who keep this Nirther topic front and center. Marginalize it or die by it. It's the long range 3-pt. shot of politics. There is SO MUCH more to hammer this administration on, which, in light of recent Town Hall Meetings is resonating with constitutents FAR more than this Nirther/Birther crap.

Don't Take The Bait!

a marginal issue?...and the MSM does not use me, nor does the GOP or the feds for that matter...I ask again...will you align yourself with the kooks or not?...if not are you willing to have BO for a second term?...it is a mistake to dismiss these people as insignificant

286 Sharmuta  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 5:15:50pm

re: #281 Salamantis

In fact, we are exercizing the selfsame right of free speech when we mock her nirther lunacy that she is exercising when she promotes it.

I agree, and like it or not, the msm is exercising their right to expose this fraud.

287 Vicious Michigan Union Thug  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 5:16:18pm

re: #257 LudwigVanQuixote

See my comment to Cato on this. She certainly is originally a Russian. She however speaks English like a Russian who learned English in Israel.

In any case, she's clearly Jewish enough to have a very Hebrew name and she was being interviewed from TA. Please, please believe that I wish there was some way we could declaim her.

Which is an awesome irony if you think about it... I want to prove her birth certificate is from somewhere else too.

Agreed, she is a freaking embarrassment.

288 Russkilitlover  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 5:16:33pm

re: #278 haakondahl

Horse Shit.
Afghanistan will not be won in a year, or in five, or in ten. It may be a lot better in ten years, and I certainly hope so. This is one of those "hinge of the world" problems, and we had better treat it as the long-term, difficult priority that it is.

Death Spiral, my ass.

I agree with your sentiments. However, do you think the American people, exhausted as they are, will withstand 5-10 years more of Afghanistan? Long term thought in an ADD society. Hmmm. I'm not so confidenit.

289 Salamantis  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 5:16:41pm

re: #286 Sharmuta

I agree, and like it or not, the msm is exercising their right to expose this fraud.

As is Charles.

290 A Man for all Seasons  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 5:17:40pm

re: #280 LudwigVanQuixote

OK, anyone who doesn't like fighter jets is simply messed up. Particularly any boy.


So you are a Russian Jew? I have one goal in life and that is to trash a Russian in Chess...Don't mess up my life...It's better that you have never played before...:)
I'm going pawn to King 4.. I swear if you finchatoo the queen side Bishop by move 6 I will be so pissed off...LOL
Regards..

291 Gus  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 5:18:05pm

What the...

Are these people for real? Might as well get Alan Keyes for this circus -- they make a perfect pair.

Who's bank rolling this stupidity?

292 jcm  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 5:18:42pm

re: #280 LudwigVanQuixote

OK, anyone who doesn't like fighter jets is simply messed up. Particularly any boy.

Then there's this gem from a few years ago...

On page 106 of the guide, co-author Ann Pelo details an activism project she initiated at a Seattle preschool after her students spotted a Blue Angels rehearsal overhead as they played in a local park. "Those are Navy airplanes," Pelo lectured the toddlers. "They're built for war, but right now, there is no war, so the pilots learn how to do fancy tricks in their planes." The kids returned to playing, but Pelo wouldn't let it rest. The next day she pushes the children to "communicate their feelings about the Blue Angels."

Pelo proudly describes her precociously politicized students' handiwork:

"They drew pictures of planes with Xs through them: 'This is a crossed-off bombing plane.' They drew bomb factories labeled: 'No.'

"Respect our words, Blue Angels. Respect kids' words. Don't kill people."

"If you blow up our city, we won't be happy about it. And our whole city will be destroyed. And if you blow up my favorite library, I won't be happy because there are some good books there that I haven't read yet."

293 rightymouse  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 5:18:58pm

re: #280 LudwigVanQuixote

OK, anyone who doesn't like fighter jets is simply messed up. Particularly any boy.

I think the guys who fly the fighter jets HOT!

294 Russkilitlover  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 5:19:30pm

re: #285 albusteve

a marginal issue?...and the MSM does not use me, nor does the GOP or the feds for that matter...I ask again...will you align yourself with the kooks or not?...if not are you willing to have BO for a second term?...it is a mistake to dismiss these people as insignificant

No, no, no, no!! I am with you on this point. But hammering about on the fringes of issues negates real discourse of current issues. These people need to be brought to heel. How? I don't know. But continuing to discuss them gives them more credence and elevates their position.

Stay ON TOPIC! There is so much about this Administration that resonates negatively with Americans. We don't need to harp on the fringe shit. Hit them on the current events/real shit!

295 ArmyWife  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 5:19:32pm

re: #290 HoosierHoops

Hiya, HH! And everyone else!

296 Kragar  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 5:19:44pm

re: #292 jcm

What a stupid twit

297 A Man for all Seasons  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 5:20:29pm

re: #295 ArmyWife

Hiya, HH! And everyone else!

Yea you! How goes it tonight?

298 albusteve  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 5:20:46pm

re: #294 Russkilitlover

No, no, no, no!! I am with you on this point. But hammering about on the fringes of issues negates real discourse of current issues. These people need to be brought to heel. How? I don't know. But continuing to discuss them gives them more credence and elevates their position.

Stay ON TOPIC! There is so much about this Administration that resonates negatively with Americans. We don't need to harp on the fringe shit. Hit them on the current events/real shit!

the topic is nirthers and their voting power

299 Jimmah  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 5:22:00pm

re: #269 Sharmuta

JarHeadLifer brought up her free speech and you agreed with him. I'm wondering where the problem is.

You are not alone in being puzzled here re why her freedom of speech was brought up. It did seem to me that JHL felt it was somehow being violated when he said:


Having said that, what is the American media doing targeting, mocking and marginalizing a private citizen who's engaged in America's most protected right - the right of free speech specifically as it pertains to criticism of the government.
300 ArmyWife  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 5:22:11pm

re: #297 HoosierHoops

Good! I actually had time to ride my horse! I guess that is why I didn't get called in the Virginia poll. Maybe I would have skewed the numbers with my at the ready answer which would be "You're kidding right? Socialist, yes. Scammer with foreign birth certificate? Nope." Darnnit. Maybe next time.

301 Roger  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 5:22:56pm

re: #278 haakondahl

[Link: www.journalgazette.net...]

302 jcm  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 5:23:27pm

re: #293 rightymouse

I think the guys who fly the fighter jets HOT!

Guys? They're not the only hot ones!

303 albusteve  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 5:23:54pm

so the next phase will be to try and determine how many nirthers and creationists there are...polls and studies...how long will that take?...and if the results are that creationists and nirthers are a significant percentage of GOP votes, then what?...talk them down on the blogs?

304 haakondahl  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 5:24:07pm

I had two good friends shot and killed while we were there. One of them worked in my shop and stayed in the same open-bay-style hut with me. We were as close as could be. We worked with some locals as well. They were just devastated by the news, when I told them, individually. These Afghan Muslim men pray for my friends, and call them Martyrs. Both of my friends were driving forces behind some of the more social/cultural interactions--teashing Afghan soldiers to play baseball, working out together, and such. Also, they both were involved in Humanitarian Aid missions and such, as well as coordinating charity shipments above and beyond the normal military channels.
These facts are not lost on Afghans in the area, and the memories of my friends are not gone from that country.
One of the locals we work with told me of a dream he had, and long story short, it was part of how his subconscious is coping with the loss.
You will not hear stories like this unless you go and look for them. Look for them.

305 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 5:25:05pm

re: #290 HoosierHoops

So you are a Russian Jew? I have one goal in life and that is to trash a Russian in Chess...Don't mess up my life...It's better that you have never played before...:)
I'm going pawn to King 4.. I swear if you finchatoo the queen side Bishop by move 6 I will be so pissed off...LOL
Regards..

OK, so that is one stereotype that is true. My father sat me down when I was two to teach me. He is a master. It took me until I was 14 to beat him. (He was very proud.) May I respectfully suggest that king pawn is very book... I always open queen pawn or if I am feeling like a grudge match, I go for King's Indian.

I'm of Russian Jewish descent... I'm fourth generation American, with both grandfathers doing their bit in the War and a birth certificate from PA to prove it. :) However, I've heard more than my share of the different accents from my great grandparents and my grandparent's friends and in the community in general.

306 The Shadow Do  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 5:25:12pm

Just popped in on O'Reilley (like a zoo visit to see the Nirther monkeys)...anyone see Juan Williams on "In Depth" on CSPAN Books this weekend?

I like him. He is a gentleman - and he seems a reasonable and thoroughly decent guy - though I will not always nor even often agree with him.

I am going to buy his latest book, just 'cause.

Anyone who is not a nut I find appealing these days.

307 ArmyWife  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 5:25:39pm

re: #303 albusteve

I think we are better served looking for a great candidate and talking them up, hoping they distance the party from the kooks. Maybe?

308 jcm  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 5:26:16pm

re: #304 haakondahl

I regret I have but one ding to give.

309 Salamantis  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 5:26:33pm

re: #305 LudwigVanQuixote

OK, so that is one stereotype that is true. My father sat me down when I was two to teach me. He is a master. It took me until I was 14 to beat him. (He was very proud.) May I respectfully suggest that king pawn is very book... I always open queen pawn or if I am feeling like a grudge match, I go for King's Indian.

I'm of Russian Jewish descent... I'm fourth generation American, with both grandfathers doing their bit in the War and a birth certificate from PA to prove it. :) However, I've heard more than my share of the different accents from my great grandparents and my grandparent's friends and in the community in general.

I'm an oddball; I usuaolly open with P-QB4 (The English).

310 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 5:27:59pm

re: #309 Salamantis

I'm an oddball; I usuaolly open with P-QB4 (The English).

If you play people that let you develop English, they get what they deserve... :)

311 avanti  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 5:28:35pm

If you a Saudi, don't brag about your sexual exploits.

death for bragging ?.

312 albusteve  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 5:28:47pm

re: #307 ArmyWife

I think we are better served looking for a great candidate and talking them up, hoping they distance the party from the kooks. Maybe?

sounds good...alot of useless rhetoric here...I'm pretty disappointed...the Paulians invading the tea parties seems to have taught us nothing...the GOP is a huge band of idiots...I'm looking for possible solutions but most people just want to point out the irrationality...we already know that

313 rightymouse  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 5:29:24pm

re: #302 jcm

Guys? They're not the only hot ones!

Huzzah! Hot chicks and guys flying fighter jets? What's not to like for ellybody?

314 callahan23  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 5:29:31pm

I am pretty certain that the average nirther isn't that completely unhinged as Orly Taitz is.
Many will and can be diverted from their current obsession by giving them real meat to chew on. Give the folks out there some good talking points as to the faults of the Obama administration and a lot will give up or put aside their nirtherism and the political discourse can be enlivened again.
I do desperately hope there is more intellect out there than the poll numbers are telling me. I want to be positive here. - I (may) have a dream.

315 Irish Rose  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 5:29:53pm

This just in: Rodans' grammar still sucks.

316 A Man for all Seasons  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 5:30:09pm

re: #305 LudwigVanQuixote

OK, so that is one stereotype that is true. My father sat me down when I was two to teach me. He is a master. It took me until I was 14 to beat him. (He was very proud.) May I respectfully suggest that king pawn is very book... I always open queen pawn or if I am feeling like a grudge match, I go for King's Indian.

I'm of Russian Jewish descent... I'm fourth generation American, with both grandfathers doing their bit in the War and a birth certificate from PA to prove it. :) However, I've heard more than my share of the different accents from my great grandparents and my grandparent's friends and in the community in general.

That is so cool...Ok I beat my teacher with a double Rook sacrifice...I once won with a 100 year old attack called the Collie sacrifice...It only works once...Bishop at King 3 attack...
I hope you are well...So I won't be beating you..thanks for that! *wink*

317 A Man for all Seasons  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 5:31:30pm

re: #309 Salamantis

I'm an oddball; I usuaolly open with P-QB4 (The English).

Thou opens the Queenside to attack...
Bad boy!

318 ArmyWife  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 5:31:37pm

re: #312 albusteve

I'm with you there. We can all see a problem. Viable solutions is where we need to focus energy.

319 jcm  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 5:31:39pm

re: #315 Irish Rose

This just in: Rodans' grammar still sucks.

Did you go through decon before coming back?

//;-P

320 jcm  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 5:32:43pm

re: #309 Salamantis

I'm an oddball; I usuaolly open with P-QB4 (The English).

I use the direct approach. Lay a 1911 next to the board and causally mention I don't like to lose.

///

321 albusteve  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 5:33:03pm

re: #318 ArmyWife

I'm with you there. We can all see a problem. Viable solutions is where we need to focus energy.

it's just another thread that allows people to spew...no answers or solutions

322 haakondahl  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 5:33:35pm

re: #288 Russkilitlover

I agree with your sentiments. However, do you think the American people, exhausted as they are, will withstand 5-10 years more of Afghanistan? Long term thought in an ADD society. Hmmm. I'm not so confidenit.

The American people are no more exhausted than Michael Phelps is. Don't listen to the Wax Moths (Thanks, Shar!).
Exhaustion is Bullshit. Fatigue is Bullshit. Weariness is Bullshit.
Winning is the only thing that matters, and Americans Always Win.
After all, even when we look at Vietnam, it's not as though a single square inch of America was invaded. Damn Walter Cronkite, Damn the Khmer Rouge, Damn Ho Chi Minh and the Viet Cong, but America won right up until it walked away.
Therefore, this is the only real danger regarding Afghanistan; that we buy into what the weeping broken toilets of the media have to offer, which is surrender, retreat, and defeat.

323 Salamantis  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 5:33:42pm

re: #320 jcm

I use the direct approach. Lay a 1911 next to the board and causally mention I don't like to lose.

///

"I suggest you try a new strategy; let the Wookie win."

324 ArmyWife  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 5:35:18pm

re: #321 albusteve

So I join you in an alliance to no longer spew. From this point forward, solutions, not reaffirmation of problems. Wanna shake on it? Should it be a SECRET shake? ;)

325 haakondahl  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 5:35:42pm

re: #285 albusteve

a marginal issue?...and the MSM does not use me, nor does the GOP or the feds for that matter...I ask again...will you align yourself with the kooks or not?...if not are you willing to have BO for a second term?...it is a mistake to dismiss these people as insignificant

Not going to align with kooks. Going to re-align the kooks.

Love your fellow man. Love, and put some pepper on the glove.

326 Roger  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 5:35:56pm

re: #311 avanti

Yes, he was giving other people ideas...

327 albusteve  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 5:37:03pm

re: #322 haakondahl

The American people are no more exhausted than Michael Phelps is. Don't listen to the Wax Moths (Thanks, Shar!).
Exhaustion is Bullshit. Fatigue is Bullshit. Weariness is Bullshit.
Winning is the only thing that matters, and Americans Always Win.
After all, even when we look at Vietnam, it's not as though a single square inch of America was invaded. Damn Walter Cronkite, Damn the Khmer Rouge, Damn Ho Chi Minh and the Viet Cong, but America won right up until it walked away.
Therefore, this is the only real danger regarding Afghanistan; that we buy into what the weeping broken toilets of the media have to offer, which is surrender, retreat, and defeat.

Afghanistan is a black hole...there is little will to win the fight militarily...when it becomes politically expediant, BO will cut it loose...bet me

328 Irish Rose  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 5:37:15pm

re: #307 ArmyWife

I think we are better served looking for a great candidate and talking them up, hoping they distance the party from the kooks. Maybe?

The GOP has been holding hands with (and allowing themselves to be funded by) extremists, kooks and nutballs for the last thirty years and they're never going to jettison the extreme right. Which is why I've made up my mind to leave the party after 25 years voting Republican... I just can't stomach it any more.

329 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 5:37:27pm

re: #320 jcm

I use the direct approach. Lay a 1911 next to the board and causally mention I don't like to lose.

///

Somehow, I couldn't do that when pop was teaching me chess...

330 Roger  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 5:38:08pm

In my younger years I started my chess game by tying on a blindfold...

331 albusteve  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 5:39:19pm

re: #324 ArmyWife

So I join you in an alliance to no longer spew. From this point forward, solutions, not reaffirmation of problems. Wanna shake on it? Should it be a SECRET shake? ;)

I wish it were that simple...keep your eye on the ball

332 haakondahl  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 5:39:31pm

The Blue Angels thread was closed.

333 Salamantis  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 5:41:17pm

re: #329 LudwigVanQuixote

Somehow, I couldn't do that when pop was teaching me chess...

In Russia, you would have laid a Makarov on the table...

334 ArmyWife  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 5:41:20pm

re: #328 Irish Rose

and vote for what? Dems? I can't. I won't. You know, many on this board have a voice that is listened too. Perhaps we tap into that more. Don't get me wrong, IR. If you've associated more with Dems, more power to you. I just can't take what they do to our military. Now I'm not interested in supporting the kook faction, and I won't get into an "ends justify the means" situation. I'm interested in saving the party from the kooks.

335 albusteve  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 5:41:27pm

re: #328 Irish Rose

The GOP has been holding hands with (and allowing themselves to be funded by) extremists, kooks and nutballs for the last thirty years and they're never going to jettison the extreme right. Which is why I've made up my mind to leave the party after 25 years voting Republican... I just can't stomach it any more.

likewise...heading for the beach but I'd like to open some eyes on my way out...I'm an old time Goldwater conservative...I have little patience for anything else, whatever they call it

336 callahan23  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 5:42:08pm

It is late again. I am gonna call it a day.
Gals 'n guys, Lizards and 'menschen'.
See y'all down the road.
I love you (Lizardim} - mostly. Really!

337 haakondahl  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 5:43:59pm

re: #327 albusteve

Afghanistan is a black hole...there is little will to win the fight militarily...when it becomes politically expediant, BO will cut it loose...bet me

I bet that if people like you who think that it's a black hole are thoroughly rebutted, we'll be just fine.
Afghanistan is America's credibility. Too late to take it off the line; there it is.

338 jcm  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 5:44:36pm

re: #333 Salamantis

In Russia, you would have laid a Makarov on the table...

I thought in Russia the players each started with a bottle of водка and the last one playing won.

339 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 5:45:00pm

re: #316 HoosierHoops

That is so cool...Ok I beat my teacher with a double Rook sacrifice...I once won with a 100 year old attack called the Collie sacrifice...It only works once...Bishop at King 3 attack...
I hope you are well...So I won't be beating you..thanks for that! *wink*

Oh you may well wipe the floor with me. It has been a long time since I have played competitively.

340 A Man for all Seasons  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 5:45:32pm

re: #330 Roger

In my younger years I started my chess game by tying on a blindfold...

When i was in grade school..We played blindfold..It was no fucking around..You know a french defense out to 20 moves or get the hell out..
It was not play school...It was war.. I wish I was a smart player but It was great fun...I was a C player...

341 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 5:45:46pm

re: #333 Salamantis

In Russia, you would have laid a Makarov on the table...

You seem to have missed the born in Pa. fourth gen American part...

342 albusteve  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 5:46:31pm

re: #337 haakondahl

I bet that if people like you who think that it's a black hole are thoroughly rebutted, we'll be just fine.
Afghanistan is America's credibility. Too late to take it off the line; there it is.

fight to win...period...
I do not trust BO...you know damned well why I have misgivings and it certainly is not for the lack of fighting spirit...show me the beef

343 Roger  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 5:51:28pm

re: #340 HoosierHoops

Yea, I did it so I could get some guys to play. I wasn't up against the best; it didn't seem to dawn on them that seeing the pieces wasn't a priority above knowing moves ahead [which in an instance of time] you couldn't see anyway and the amount of "force" applied till a "judo" throw.

344 SasquatchOnSteroids  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 5:55:11pm

re: #334 ArmyWife

I agree 100%. Steele made a play last week to call it out. Haven't seen the Power of the Nirthers to dislodge him yet. We lost the election, crazy people come out of the woodwork afterwards and spout their bullshit. Happens every time a party loses power. It's been 6 months since he's been in power. Way too early to talk about ditching for me. For the other side ? Yaaa. It's been an awesome 6 months.

*Drink.

345 MPH  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 5:55:34pm

painful...poor crazy woman. where did she go to law school?

Dr. Orly Taitz Esq?

346 A Man for all Seasons  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 5:58:13pm

re: #343 Roger

Yea, I did it so I could get some guys to play. I wasn't up against the best; it didn't seem to dawn on them that seeing the pieces wasn't a priority above knowing moves ahead [which in an instance of time] you couldn't see anyway and the amount of "force" applied till a "judo" throw.

What do people not understand about chess?
It's not the attack...Anybody can stop an attack...a great chess player knows when to retreat (big deal) And when to counterattack...
Most players have such great ego's that never retreat..That can't pull back...That is the fate of the normal chess player...Allow the attack..The Ego can never retreat..Sorry about your luck..You lose...Just like real life... I love Chess

347 MPH  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 5:58:14pm

re: #345 MPH

painful...poor crazy woman. where did she go to law school?

Dr. Orly Taitz Esq?

Oh wait -- she is a DDS too? A dentist lawyer?

348 Salamantis  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 6:01:30pm

My four fave chessmasters are Akiba Rubinstein, Aron Nimzovich, Jose Raul Capablanca, and Alexander Alekhine.

/I know; kinda old school - right at the classical-hypermodern convergence.

349 A Man for all Seasons  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 6:04:01pm

re: #348 Salamantis

My four fave chessmasters are Akiba Rubinstein, Aron Nimzovich, Jose Raul Capablanca, and Alexander Alekhine.

/I know; kinda old school - right at the classical-hypermodern convergence.

I'm a Nimzovich freak on defense...Always over defend a position..Fucking genus..Like WW2...And Capablanca was a pure genius in Chess...The most beautiful games ever recorded in all of History..Period

350 Salamantis  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 6:08:47pm

re: #349 HoosierHoops

I'm a Nimzovich freak on defense...Always over defend a position..Fucking genus..Like WW2...And Capablanca was a pure genius in Chess...The most beautiful games ever recorded in all of History..Period

Don't forget the other two.

Rubinstein's development of his pieces seamlessly and flawlessly flowed; nothing interfered, and everything cooperated.

And Alekine was a combinatorial genius; one of the most ferocious and insightful attacking players of all time.

351 A Man for all Seasons  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 6:14:11pm

re: #350 Salamantis

Don't forget the other two.

Rubinstein's development of his pieces seamlessly and flawlessly flowed; nothing interfered, and everything cooperated.

And Alekine was a combinatorial genius; one of the most ferocious and insightful attacking players of all time.

An Alekine attack combo was perhaps the most beautiful attacks ever recorded by man..But why are the Russian so great?
The fluid defense in the face of combo attacks has allowed the Russians to be dominate for years...The fluid defense on the flanks is almost unbeatable..
This is where the computer simulations are spending pedabytes of computation time..How do you solve the floating defense in chess?

352 SasquatchOnSteroids  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 6:19:05pm

re: #328 Irish Rose

The GOP Democratic Party has been holding hands with (and allowing themselves to be funded by) extremists, kooks and nutballs for the last thirty years and they're never going to jettison the extreme right left. Which is why I've made up my mind to leave the party after 25 years voting Republican Democratic... I just can't stomach it any more.

I used to be a Democrat, BTW.

353 Irenicum  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 7:03:54pm

re: #347 MPH

Hey, she's insisting she's telling the tooth, the whole tooth and nothing but the tooth! btw, finally watched the msnbc clip. She really is bat shit crazy.

354 Mad Al-Jaffee  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 7:09:37pm

That reminded me of a scene from South Park: Bigger, Longer and Uncut.

"Can I finish?! Can I finish?! Okay, I'm finished."

355 Shai  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 7:32:30pm

Um... if she's right that in Hawaii they published the announcements of birth in the newspapers, and that there are two types of birth certificates... Then she did effectively destroy the evidence that Obama was born there.

I am NOT a birther by the way. Just sayin'.

356 JarHeadLifer  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 7:40:41pm

re: #299 Jimmah

Apparently, you thing it's a great thing for the fourth estate to be engaged in mockery, ridicule and elitism in criticizing private citizens because the citizen dares to criticize a sitting president. I don't.

The media enjoys constitutional protections not because the founders wanted a propaganda arm for the Executive branch, but because they wanted to maintain an independent watchdog of government and the bureaucracy that it creates. Instead, with the birther movement, the tea party movement and more recently with the anti-socialized medicine movement, we've seen a healthy percentage of the media criticizing the President's enemies, rather than exploring, investigating and exposing the President's policies, programs and political appointments for the fraudulent, criminal and possibly unconstitutional actions that they purported or represent.

The President of the United States fired an Inspector General, who by a statute enacted by congress (co-sponsored by this President when he was Senator, no less) was protected from political retribution, and the media in it's broadcast or printed forms can't find the time to explore why this man was fired. They can, however, take an inordinate amount of time and page space to cover a crazy woman who received her law degree on-line. What kind of threat does she pose to the Republic? I'm guessing much less of a threat than a President acting with reckless disregard of US Law.

357 Sharmuta  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 7:41:51pm

re: #356 JarHeadLifer

She's not criticizing him- she's lying or delusional.

358 Ratbert  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 7:42:51pm

We miss Tamron in Chicago. I could watch her all day long.

359 JarHeadLifer  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 7:48:50pm

re: #357 Sharmuta

She's not criticizing him- she's lying or delusional.

One man's criticism is another man's delusion. If there's no merit to her case, then the courts will find for the defendant, discipline her for wasting the court's time and possibly even disbar her. And, I'd say good for them. But, It's telling that MSNBC has the time to interview nutbags, but they don't have time to interview Gerald Walpin. They don't have time to uncover the conflicts of interest that exist between numerous members of Obama's economic advisory team and Wall St.. And, they don't have time to explore the possibility of dedicated terrorists walking out of US courtrooms, merely on a technicality.

But they do have time to mock anti-tax demonstrators and supporters of free market health care solutions.

360 Sharmuta  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 7:52:52pm

re: #359 JarHeadLifer

There is no merit to her case! It has been repeatedly tossed out of court. You can wallow in victimhood and blame the media all you want to, but it doesn't change the fact the number of republicans following this woman is growing and it's insanity.

361 freetoken  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 7:54:43pm

re: #356 JarHeadLifer

Taitz is abusing the legal system by filing frivolous (and maybe even dishonest) lawsuits. Her fellow lawyers in CA are seeking to disbar her.

She ought to be made fun of.

362 Salamantis  Mon, Aug 3, 2009 9:10:52pm

re: #355 Shai

Um... if she's right that in Hawaii they published the announcements of birth in the newspapers, and that there are two types of birth certificates... Then she did effectively destroy the evidence that Obama was born there.

I am NOT a birther by the way. Just sayin'.

She's not right. Even in the head.

363 Ward Cleaver  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 7:09:55am

She looks like a desperate housewife.

364 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 9:13:13am

(in late, and leaving)

I don't tell "blonde" jokes, and don't think I can even recite any.
However, the old quip "ditzy blonde" springs to mind after watching Taitz.
She could have had a career in Hollywood's 1930s screwball comedies.

365 ed_gibbon  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 9:18:09am

re: #19 Bobibutu

They're all nuts but Schuster is an absolute ass with his tisking and lip smacking while providing "journalistic responsibility".


Shuster is what Hunter S Thompson used to refer to as a "half-smart amateur". He's so in the tank for the Democratic party, President Obama, et al, that he doesn't even bother to attempt to "appear" objective

366 JohnInTheWoods  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 9:53:29am

Somebody remind her that looking for Moose & Squirrel in the real priority.

367 RexMundi  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 10:20:08am

That was incredibly painful to watch. She looks like a burlap sack full of mashed potatoes with a voice that's as pleasant as Roseanne Barr's singing. And there are few things more annoying than some idiot trying to divert a discussion away from the question at hand--which is so typical of some of all conspiracy nuts. I really despise this...shrill-talking...thing...that they interviewed.

368 Right Brain  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 12:19:35pm

These reporters behaved badly, especially the Tamron Hall who was using the third person insult technique of "Ann Coulter says that you are cranks." Obviously this lawyer had little experience with the twenty-second sound bite technique being employed by the two partisan "reporters" but they didn't do themselves any favors, I actually felt sorry for this interviewee. Also she made a valid point that the birth announcements came in two types and was not necessarily furnished by the hospital.

369 littleben  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 1:39:33pm

I am not a "nirther" but I would classify myself as a "Nakistan".
We do not know anything about this man except what he put out in his autobiographies.
What was he doing in Pakistan at age 20? How did he get hosted by a prominent politician there? When did he give up his Indonesian citizenship?
Why was he unknown to any member of the Columbia U Black Students Union when he was allegedly attending courses there? What was his connection to the Ayers/Dhorn underground in the early 80's?

370 Salamantis  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 1:43:31pm

re: #368 Right Brain

These reporters behaved badly, especially the Tamron Hall who was using the third person insult technique of "Ann Coulter says that you are cranks." Obviously this lawyer had little experience with the twenty-second sound bite technique being employed by the two partisan "reporters" but they didn't do themselves any favors, I actually felt sorry for this interviewee. Also she made a valid point that the birth announcements came in two types and was not necessarily furnished by the hospital.

Umm, it was, and remains, common practice for hospitals to notify local newspapers of births. It was most certainly common practice in Hawaii during the time.

371 MTF  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 1:45:37pm

Who is a bigger kook: David Shuster or the Nirthistani. I pick Shuster myself, only because the crazy lady is just getting her fifteen minutes but MSNBC keeps bringing Dave back from suspension after suspension (three so far). With all the serious stuff going on in the world, I admit I cannot figure out why you keep highlighting this oddball stuff.

372 Salamantis  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 2:20:04pm

re: #371 MTF

Who is a bigger kook: David Shuster or the Nirthistani. I pick Shuster myself, only because the crazy lady is just getting her fifteen minutes but MSNBC keeps bringing Dave back from suspension after suspension (three so far). With all the serious stuff going on in the world, I admit I cannot figure out why you keep highlighting this oddball stuff.

The increasing trend of one of the two major US political parties to abandon reality for fantasy land is quite serious business, that could entail catastrophically devastating consequences for our country's future, whether the massively deluded prevail and govern according to utterly nonsensical pseudoprinciples, or whether they damage their party so severely in the general opinion that it is no longer taken seriously enough to be able to productively contribute to the national conversation, and the disastrous leftist positions that it opposes prevail by default.

373 jaydub  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 5:11:59pm

That was incredibly painful to watch. I don't feel particularly enlightened by either side of the debate - but if that's the best face the Nirthers can put forward, they're not doing anyone any favors. Wow.

374 Age Of Freedom  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 7:22:08pm

Sad.
Embarrassing.

375 philip  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 8:06:09pm

The birthers are the same types who are showing up to town hall meetings and yelling hateful lies about healthcare reform.

The "new crazy" movement is downright stupid.

376 charles_martel  Wed, Aug 5, 2009 8:03:28am

The whole nirther thing is a distraction. But I was (again) appalled by the snarkey racism reference at the end of the interview. The MSM is continuing to propagate the myth that any criticism of Obama is racism-based. Journalism in this country is a dead, stinking corpse.

377 philip  Wed, Aug 5, 2009 9:55:14am

re: #376 charles_martel

But I was (again) appalled by the snarkey racism reference at the end of the interview. The MSM is continuing to propagate the myth that any criticism of Obama is racism-based.

No it's not. You should instead be appalled at the racism that guides the birther inquiry (and much of the southern opposition to Obama). Most of the opposition is irrational.


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