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1 Sharmuta  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 2:24:22pm

Spoiler Alert: Shiplord Kirel was right!

2 KenJen  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 2:25:57pm

He's got the voice down pat.

3 Dahveed  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 2:26:20pm

Cylon! It all becomes clear.

4 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 2:26:57pm

re: #2 KenJen

He's got the voice down pat.


And the body language. Pay attention to the hands.

5 filetandrelease  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 2:27:21pm

Sasquash!!! I new it!!

6 callahan23  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 2:29:17pm

re: #5 filetandrelease

Sasquash!!! I new it!!

We've got our in-house Sasquash(on Steroids).

7 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 2:31:42pm

If he were a Sacha Baron Cohen character, he wouldn't need the teleprompter.

8 Sharmuta  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 2:32:10pm

The Truth Is Out There.

9 Killgore Trout  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 2:32:54pm

"Ok, let's talk vampires..."

10 Sharmuta  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 2:33:58pm

I Want to Believe.

11 Dianna  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 2:34:26pm

Eep!

12 KenJen  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 2:35:01pm

I vant to suck your blood.

13 Sharmuta  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 2:35:13pm

Damnit, get me Fox Mulder!

14 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 2:35:21pm

Every black comedian out there who is good with voices has got to be grateful for President Obama.

15 Dianna  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 2:35:38pm

I miss Barnabas Collins.

16 DEZes  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 2:35:56pm

Cylon's are nuclear powered, that's not gonna set well with the eco-nuts.

17 Truth Stick  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 2:36:47pm

He could be a daywalker, I'm not saying, I'm just saying

18 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 2:36:58pm

Watched that a bit ago. Did he say, "Let me be clear?"

19 Dianna  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 2:37:00pm

Pulsing red lights showing on the spine during intercourse?

20 BlueRoses  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 2:37:16pm

I still don't believe him...hehehehe

21 DEZes  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 2:37:18pm

re: #15 Dianna

I miss Barnabas Collins.

Dark Shadows, The vampire Soap.

22 HoosierHoops  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 2:37:19pm

re: #13 Sharmuta

Damnit, get me Fox Mulder!

He's in the back room watching p0rn..
/I don't write the scripts! *wink*

23 BlueCanuck  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 2:38:02pm

re: #8 Sharmuta

The Truth Is Out There.

Along with the nutcases. I wish they would just stay OUT THERE. They tend to stink up the inside...

24 turn  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 2:38:04pm

re: #12 KenJen

I vant to suck your blood.

I'm with your first comment jen, he has the voice down pat. As for this comment, it's anemic. Extreme drive by, later lizards - time to go walk the lab along the American.

25 Dianna  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 2:38:08pm

re: #21 DEZes

Dark Shadows, The vampire Soap.

My mom was home and saw the very first episode ever of Dark Shadows.

26 Truth Stick  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 2:38:16pm

re: #19 Dianna

Pulsing red lights showing on the spine during intercourse?

The all go to green when the O is about come

27 [deleted]  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 2:38:34pm
28 BlueRoses  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 2:38:39pm

Naughty naughty

29 HoosierHoops  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 2:38:55pm

re: #19 Dianna

Pulsing red lights showing on the spine during intercourse?

LOL
If that isn't a rotating title I don't know what is...Genius Dianna

30 esch  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 2:39:11pm

re: #14 EmmmieG

Every black comedian out there who is good with voices has got to be grateful for President Obama.

I'm hoping that over time he sounds more and more like Kirk. He already kind of reminds me when I hear him speak; he's got that 'stumbling down a hill' cadence going.

31 Dianna  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 2:39:26pm

re: #26 Truth Stick

The all go to green when the O is about come

I thought the big O was already covered simply by his presence?

32 eon  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 2:39:39pm

He's not a vampire.

He may be an overbearing, swaggering, tin-plated dictator with delusions of godhood, but he's not a vampire.

/Campaigned as Picard, can't even manage to be a bad Kirk imitation.

cheers

eon

33 johnnygriswold  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 2:39:48pm

FunnyOrDie?

I choose "OrDie"

34 Ben Hur  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 2:40:01pm

What do you do?

Suck out the poison.
Suck out de poithon.
Suck out the poison.


Snake bite!
Snake bite!

35 DEZes  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 2:40:21pm

re: #25 Dianna

My mom was home and saw the very first episode ever of Dark Shadows.

I had a buddy that never missed that show, me, never watched it.

36 Dianna  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 2:40:31pm

re: #33 johnnygriswold

FunnyOrDie?

I choose "OrDie"

Comedy is hard.

37 BlueRoses  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 2:40:50pm

Good piece but he's missing the ears that stick straight out.

38 HoosierHoops  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 2:40:59pm

re: #34 Ben Hur

What do you do?

Suck out the poison.
Suck out de poithon.
Suck out the poison.

Snake bite!
Snake bite!

/The movie Banana's?

39 aboo-Hoo-Hoo  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 2:41:06pm

LOL #*%!* hilarious.

40 midwestgak  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 2:41:20pm

re: #2 KenJen

He's got the voice down pat.

This actor does have the cadence, the hand gestures, nods, all of the obamaisms "down pat" as you stated.

Not quoting the video, but making a point:

Obama: I would like to STATE, that my views are CRITICAL of the security of this NATION. You can see my REFLECTION in the bills before the House and Senate.

You're gonna have to trust me.

Aloha, America.

41 Dianna  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 2:41:23pm

re: #35 DEZes

I had a buddy that never missed that show, me, never watched it.

I think I saw Kate Jackson flatten the actor who played Barnabas with the wrong end of a breakaway vase. I was about 3, so don't quote me on that.

42 KenJen  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 2:41:24pm

re: #24 turn

I'm with your first comment jen, he has the voice down pat. As for this comment, it's anemic. Extreme drive by, later lizards - time to go walk the lab along the American.

Wait. I'm not letting yuo get away so easy.

43 Ben Hur  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 2:41:34pm

re: #38 HoosierHoops

Si.

44 Killgore Trout  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 2:41:52pm

I haven't been following this story...
White House uses Web against Drudge attack

A lot of right wing blogs ran with that video too. Is it bogus?

45 eon  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 2:42:58pm

re: #35 DEZes

I had a buddy that never missed that show, me, never watched it.

I watched that show after school every day for its entire run, even before Barnabas showed up. It was creepy enough even without him; The Munsters or The Addams Family without the laughs.

cheers

eon

46 DEZes  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 2:43:34pm

re: #41 Dianna

I think I saw Kate Jackson flatten the actor who played Barnabas with the wrong end of a breakaway vase. I was about 3, so don't quote me on that.

I am not sure what year that show 1st aired, late 60's or early 70's?

47 notutopia  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 2:43:47pm

Aloha, technical Obama.

48 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 2:43:52pm

re: #44 Killgore Trout

I haven't been following this story...
White House uses Web against Drudge attack

A lot of right wing blogs ran with that video too. Is it bogus?

They said he put snippets together...Drudge fires back
[Link: www.breitbart.tv...]

49 Noam Sayin'  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 2:43:56pm

He looks different when he's not doing press conferences.

50 esch  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 2:45:37pm

re: #44 Killgore Trout

A lot of right wing blogs ran with that video too. Is it bogus?

Well, disregarding the fact that if it were a fabrication they'd be hearing the shrieking in Outer Mongolia.

What do you think? I am seriously interested in hearing your view, KT.

51 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 2:45:45pm

re: #36 Dianna

Comedy is hard.

Lieutenant Steven Hauk: I understand you're pretty funny as a dee-jay and, well, comedy is kind of a hobby of mine. Well, actually, it's a little more than just a hobby, Reader's Digest is considering publishing two of my jokes.
-Good Morning Vietnam

52 Dianna  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 2:46:04pm

re: #46 DEZes

I am not sure what year that show 1st aired, late 60's or early 70's?

Early 60's. My mom was home because she had my brother in November of 62, and me in October of 63.

I am an Irish twin.

53 Charpete67  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 2:46:04pm

I'm still gonna ask for a demonstration with some garlic and a wooden stake before I believe...I just can't let the whole vampire thing go.

54 Buster  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 2:48:29pm

Since we now know that he is a cyborg, my concern shifts to who built him and what is their motive? I sure hope they are friendly, but I have my suspicions.

55 Killgore Trout  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 2:49:00pm

re: #50 esch

What do you think? I am seriously interested in hearing your view, KT.

The videos look legit to me but I've only started following this story 5 minutes ago so my opinion is hardly informed.

56 Learned Mother of Zion  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 2:49:37pm

Where's avanti?

Happy days are here again.

57 esch  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 2:50:40pm

re: #55 Killgore Trout

Fair enough. I was just curious.

58 Dianna  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 2:51:08pm

re: #55 Killgore Trout

The videos look legit to me but I've only started following this story 5 minutes ago so my opinion is hardly informed.

I couldn't put my home computer on all weekend, so I'm way, way behind on all the stories. I heard the clip, that's all; I was under the impression that the whole 40 seconds are uncut?

I only saw a one-paragraph summary, and I'm not sure where.

59 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 2:51:12pm

re: #55 Killgore Trout

The videos look legit to me but I've only started following this story 5 minutes ago so my opinion is hardly informed.

The White House said Zero never asked for a single payer system. Drudge countered with Brietbart..

60 Killgore Trout  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 2:53:22pm

re: #58 Dianna

Here's the original clip that has been floating around...
SHOCK UNCOVERED: Obama IN HIS OWN WORDS saying His Health Care Plan will ELIMINATE private insurance

61 capitalist piglet  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 2:53:29pm

re: #59 Cannadian Club Akbar

The White House said Zero never asked for a single payer system. Drudge countered with Brietbart..

I've seen the video. I don't see how the White House could issue a denial like that...but I guess we'll see.

62 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 2:53:31pm

re: #59 Cannadian Club Akbar

[Link: news.yahoo.com...]

63 Dolphin  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 2:53:43pm

Haven't posted recently. If keithgabryelski is still on - is this what you were thinking of? [Link: rightwingnuthouse.com...] It was posted this morning (that's when I read it) and found it interesting also. Also, has this been discussed? [Link: republicans.oversight.house.gov...]

64 Charpete67  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 2:54:45pm

re: #55 Killgore Trout

The videos look legit to me but I've only started following this story 5 minutes ago so my opinion is hardly informed.

How could anyone question it's legitimacy?...it kind of is what it is.

65 SixDegrees  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 2:55:01pm

re: #15 Dianna

I miss Barnabas Collins.

Upding for the Dark Shadows reference.

66 Ben Hur  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 2:55:05pm
"taking sentences and phrases out of context, and they're cobbling them together to leave a very false impression."

Michael Moore. Farenheit 911. Charlton Heston speeches spliced together. He's wearing different shirts.

Here? Not so much.

But at least there making progress with the project sh*t.

67 eon  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 2:55:20pm

re: #46 DEZes

I am not sure what year that show 1st aired, late 60's or early 70's?

First aired; 22 June 1966

Last; 2 April 1971

Barnabas showed up about three months in. The ratings were so low that ABC told Dan Curtis (the producer) that if they didn't pick up in the next six weeks, it was cancellation time. Curtis, a serious supernatural horror buff, decided "what have we got to lose?" and added Jonathan Frid as Barnabas Collins, a full-on classic Vampyr. The gimmick being that, as in the best vampire fiction, Barnabas was careful not to let anyone figure out that he was a vampire until he was sure he had them under control. Gradually his "backstory" was revealed, i.e., how he became a vampire, his real connection to the Collins family (founding member, basically), and why he came back- to have it out once and for all with the entity who had condemned him to unlife, one Angelique, a full-on witch of the Morgan le Fey School of Etiquette and Revenge.

The Barnabas/ Angelique war, with all of its sideblast (werewolves, time travel, you name it) made Dark Shadows one of the highest-rated "daytime dramas" in TV history.

Other (later) soaps tried to do similar things (Days of Our Lives and General Hospital, to name only two), but without Dark Shadows' ambiance of the supernatural plus general weirdness, it just didn't work. Like the original Star Trek, Dark Shadows was a one-in-a-million shot that worked.

cheers

eon

68 KenJen  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 2:55:45pm

Later Lizards. Headed home. Hope my basement is dry.

69 Dianna  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 2:56:32pm

re: #60 Killgore Trout

I see how that can be called "cherry picking".

However, I can also see why people would react very, very negatively to what they're seeing in that.

70 Kragar  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 2:56:45pm

I'll have to wait and see Orly Taitz opinion on this before I can comment further.

71 Shug  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 2:57:14pm

It was FAKE MIRROR! Obama is vampire!

--Orly Taitz

72 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 2:57:15pm

0bama turns 48 tomorrow. I turn 47 in two weeks.

Whew. For a minute there I thought he and I would share an age.

73 Dianna  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 2:59:10pm

re: #67 eon

Then why was my mom home? Because she always indicated it was between my brother's birth and mine?

Huh. Have to ask her that sometime.

74 Kragar  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 2:59:47pm

re: #72 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

0bama turns 48 tomorrow. I turn 47 in two weeks.

Whew. For a minute there I thought he and I would share an age.

You're lucky, I got to share my birthday with Yasser Arafat

75 Dianna  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 3:01:03pm

re: #74 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

You're lucky, I got to share my birthday with Yasser Arafat

I share my birthday with Lee Harvey Oswald's second daughter, month, day and year.

It's not significant, but it feels weird.

76 Truth Stick  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 3:01:09pm

re: #72 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

0bama turns 48 tomorrow. I turn 47 in two weeks.

Whew. For a minute there I thought he and I would share an age.

I'm just glad he was not born 6 days later...phew, I lucked out there

77 avanti  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 3:01:57pm

re: #56 Alouette

Where's avanti?

Happy days are here again.

Right here, but jobs are not expected to recover until the 4th quarter at best. The only good news about job losses, is that the numbers is going down every month, but jobs trail a recovery by six months.

78 Ringo the Gringo  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 3:02:20pm

He does Obama's voice and mannerisms quite well.

And the mole on the side of his nose is a nice touch too.

79 avanti  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 3:03:07pm

re: #72 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

0bama turns 48 tomorrow. I turn 47 in two weeks.

Whew. For a minute there I thought he and I would share an age.

I think it was today, you'll love the news coverage.

Birthday.

80 opnion  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 3:03:19pm

This Birther stuff is such nonsense. Come on, the guy was born in a manger in Bethlehem. Anybody that doubts it is just a straight up racist.

81 Silvergirl  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 3:04:36pm

re: #2 KenJen

He's got the voice down pat.

Yes he does. His speech patterns are so clear-cut and distinctive that they're fairly easy to imitate. I've about got it down myself, though I'd have to take up smoking in order to get my voice deep enough.

82 BlueCanuck  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 3:05:34pm

re: #74 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

You're lucky, I got to share my birthday with Yasser Arafat

Got you beat, share mine with AH. :p

83 Rancher  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 3:06:15pm

Obama will never release the actual birth certificate, he's having way too much fun watching the kooks damage the GOP.

84 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 3:06:40pm

re: #83 Rancher

Obama will never release the actual birth certificate, he's having way too much fun watching the kooks damage the GOP.

I'm sure he's got the popcorn out.

85 [deleted]  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 3:06:44pm
86 scion9  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 3:06:51pm

re: #74 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

You're lucky, I got to share my birthday with Yasser Arafat

On your next birthday you can celebrate the fact that no one will be celebrating another one for Arafat ever again.

87 doppelganglander  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 3:07:15pm

re: #67 eon

The week Dark Shadows went off the air was also the week my family's dog had to be put to sleep. I was a traumatized little 8-year-old.

88 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 3:08:23pm
89 doppelganglander  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 3:08:50pm

re: #75 Dianna

I share my birthday with Lee Harvey Oswald's second daughter, month, day and year.

It's not significant, but it feels weird.

You're a year younger than I am. I was born during the Cuban missile crisis.

90 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 3:09:16pm

re: #74 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

You're lucky, I got to share my birthday with Yasser Arafat

Elvis died on my 15th birthday. I have the exact same birthday as Steve Carell.

Test? What is my birthday.

91 esch  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 3:10:11pm

re: #61 capitalist piglet

I've seen the video. I don't see how the White House could issue a denial like that...but I guess we'll see.

Sheer chutzpah. Get the MFMSM to repeat it enough and some people will wrap themselves up in the fuzzy dissonance.

"OUT OF CONTEXT!"

92 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 3:10:33pm

re: #78 Ringo the Gringo


And the mole on the side of his nose is a nice touch too.

I've got an Obama mole!

93 DEZes  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 3:10:40pm

re: #90 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Elvis died on my 15th birthday. I have the exact same birthday as Steve Carell.

Test? What is my birthday.

Aug. 16th 1972

94 DEZes  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 3:10:55pm

re: #93 DEZes

Aug. 16th 1972

!962
pimf.

95 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 3:11:11pm

My daughter was born the day before the Oklahoma City bombings. The day of, I obviously wasn't watching TV, and couldn't figure out why the staff seemed so preoccupied.

96 DEZes  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 3:11:20pm

GAH!

97 esch  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 3:11:52pm

re: #93 DEZes

re: #94 DEZes

Third time's the charm?

/

98 AuntAcid  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 3:11:56pm

MIA since 01/20/09

Code Pink

"Support the Troops
Bring them Home" bumper stickers

"War is not the Answer" bumper stickers

Anti-war demonstrations w/flag burnings

99 DEZes  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 3:12:29pm

re: #95 EmmmieG

My daughter was born the day before the Oklahoma City bombings. The day of, I obviously wasn't watching TV, and couldn't figure out why the staff seemed so preoccupied.

My birthday is the same day my home state was admitted to the union.
Fortunately not the same year. ;)

100 doppelganglander  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 3:12:30pm

re: #90 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Elvis died on my 15th birthday. I have the exact same birthday as Steve Carell.

Test? What is my birthday.

I spent the day Elvis died visiting the World Trade Center and attending a Yankees game. I was a mere lass of 14 and three quarters.

101 DEZes  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 3:12:48pm

re: #97 esch

re: #94 DEZes

Third time's the charm?

/

hell with it. ;)

102 Killian Bundy  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 3:14:08pm

New Sherlock Holmes Film to Explore Homoerotic Relationship Between Lead Characters

Guy Ritchie's plan to put a gay spin on the relationship of Sherlock Holmes and Dr. Watson in his new movie about the detective and his sidekick could backfire.

Robert Downey Jr., who plays Holmes, has revealed the crimebuster will sleep with and have sweaty grappling scenes with Watson, played by Jude Law, in "Sherlock Holmes," due out Christmas Day.

"We're two men who happen to be roommates, wrestle a lot and share a bed. It's bad-ass," Downey told Britain's News of the World. Added much-in-the-news Law: "Guy wanted to make this about the relationship between Watson and Holmes. They're both mean and complicated."

/fun for the whole family!

103 eon  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 3:14:35pm

re: #69 Dianna

I see how that can be called "cherry picking".

However, I can also see why people would react very, very negatively to what they're seeing in that.

It's another example of how opinions that are just considered, well, sensible and mainstream in "progressive" circles don't look the same to anyone outside of same. The progressive world of academia, government, MSM newsrooms, and cocktail parties is one of the most perfectly hermetically-sealed echo chambers since the Vatican under Leo X (aka Giovanni de'Medici), who reacted rather badly to a debate on indulgences at Wittenburg announced by a list of 95 questions tacked to the university's bulletin board in 1509 by a monk named Martin Luther.

Obama, or anyone else of similarly liberal bent, can say things like that (appears to be) in their normal environment, and get nods, murmurs of agreement, and the odd "that's tellin' it, mannn!" from their audience. But when somebody from, say, the Junior Chamber of Commerce in Kansas City, Mo. hears it, they tend to react a bit differently, because they can see (a) what it would cost financially, (b) what it would cost in terms of their rights as a citizen, and (c) that based on previous attempts, it probably wouldn't actually work.

At which point, said individual says, "Hey, wait a minute".

To which the standard progressive response is "You're a stupid, reactionary (insert favorite epithet here)."

The One's response to this is entirely predictable. He dislikes having to explain himself to people who do not think as he does. This forces him to do so.

No wonder he now has his "associates" looking for ways to administer some "career counseling" to Drudge.

/Chicago style, that is.

cheers

eon

104 Shug  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 3:14:47pm

whats up DEZes

105 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 3:15:03pm

re: #93 DEZes

Aug. 16th 1972

Uh... YES! YES! THAT'S IT! DING DING.

Okay, nobody google!

106 esch  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 3:15:07pm

re: #101 DEZes

hell with it. ;)

LMAO (which really made my boss wonder)

107 albusteve  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 3:18:32pm

re: #64 Charpete67

How could anyone question it's legitimacy?...it kind of is what it is.

I saw the vid early this morning...I accept the fact that politicians lie and/or tell you two different things at two different times...BO is a liar...ho hum

108 DEZes  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 3:18:52pm

re: #104 Shug

whats up DEZes

The power was off when I woke up this morning, so I was an hour late for work.
We had 6 inches of rain in just a few hours, and I had a flat tire when I got off work.
I am doing great...
How you doing Shug?

109 doppelganglander  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 3:19:15pm

re: #102 Killian Bundy

New Sherlock Holmes Film to Explore Homoerotic Relationship Between Lead Characters

/fun for the whole family!

It's Robert Downey Jr. and Jude Law. I'm not seeing the problem here.

110 DEZes  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 3:19:38pm

re: #106 esch

LMAO (which really made my boss wonder)

Just tell the boss its my fault.

111 snowcrash  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 3:19:40pm

re: #99 DEZes

My birthday is the same day my home state was admitted to the union.
Fortunately not the same year. ;)


I don't think the hints are supposed to be that difficult. lol

112 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 3:19:41pm

re: #109 doppelganglander

I'm totally straight. But...umm...

113 RELOADINGISNOTAHOBBY  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 3:19:50pm

OK photo shoppers!
Here's a fun assignment..
Obama,Clinton, Emanuel,Rangel the whole damn crew of them
as Huns...armor,weapons , sweat the whole shibang!
The "Pillage People" Sacking one nation at a time!!

114 Shug  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 3:20:07pm

re: #108 DEZes

not too bad. I just racked up my 20,000th upding. you had your chances my oft-updinging friend.

must have been all that rain and lack of power. heh

115 esch  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 3:20:16pm

re: #102 Killian Bundy

New Sherlock Holmes Film to Explore Homoerotic Relationship Between Lead Characters

/fun for the whole family!

So they were romantically inclined, is what they're claiming?

Well you know what they say,

There's no face like holmes

116 [deleted]  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 3:20:56pm
117 teleskiguy  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 3:21:09pm

He's a dohecadedron from the planet Arkturus!

118 RELOADINGISNOTAHOBBY  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 3:21:16pm

re: #108 DEZes

Here!
Sounds like you need a drink!
Help yourself...the fridge is full.

119 eon  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 3:21:20pm

re: #102 Killian Bundy

New Sherlock Holmes Film to Explore Homoerotic Relationship Between Lead Characters

/fun for the whole family!

Oh, please. Watson was married twice (widowed once) and Holmes obviously was going steady with Mrs. Hudson, who while a widow was a young widow, who lost her husband in Afghanistan about the same time Watson took a Jezail musket ball in the collarbone there.

Ref- Sherlock Holmes' War of the Worlds by Manly Wade Wellman and Wade Wellman, based on notes by Sir Arthur Conan Doyle himself and authorized by the Conan Doyle estate, specifically Sir Arthur's son, Adrian.

Try again, Ritchie. On second thought, go back to making out with Madonna.

/Longtime Holmesian here

cheers

eon

120 Dianna  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 3:21:23pm

re: #109 doppelganglander

It's Robert Downey Jr. and Jude Law. I'm not seeing the problem here.

I don't mind looking at either man, stripped to the waist. But...do I have to think about Holmes and Watson having sex?

I really, really don't want to. For one thing, I'm pretty sure Holmes was pretty much a-sexual.

121 opnion  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 3:21:25pm

re: #107 albusteve

I saw the vid early this morning...I accept the fact that politicians lie and/or tell you two different things at two different times...BO is a liar...ho hum

He sat in a pew for twenty years while the Reverend went into racist, anti-semitic & anti Amreican rants & never heard a thing.
As appaling as it was that he tried to sell that story it was even worse
that adults bought it.

122 SixDegrees  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 3:21:40pm

re: #74 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

You're lucky, I got to share my birthday with Yasser Arafat

I share mine with Richard Nixon.

Well, I did.

123 3 wood  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 3:22:01pm

More stuff on the clunkers program:

Four of Top ‘Clunkers’ Model Purchases Are Foreign (Update3)

Aug. 4 (Bloomberg) -- Four of the top five models sold so far under the U.S. “cash for clunkers” program, aimed at boosting the auto industry, are made by foreign automakers, according to Transportation Department data.

Ford Motor Co.’s Focus was the top seller, followed by Toyota Motor Corp.’s Corolla, Honda Motor Co.’s Civic and Toyota’s Prius and Camry, data from the department showed today.

Initial clunkers legislation sponsored by Representative Betty Sutton, an Ohio Democrat, would have barred discounts for new vehicles manufactured overseas and offered higher payments for cars and trucks produced in the U.S. than for those made in Canada and Mexico. The “Buy American” provision was dropped from the final legislation because of opposition from foreign automakers and free-trade advocates who said it would conflict with U.S. obligations to the World Trade Organization.

Nice to know that the WTO id dictating policy like that.

124 keithgabryelski  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 3:22:15pm

re: #63 Dolphin

Haven't posted recently. If keithgabryelski is still on - is this what you were thinking of? [Link: rightwingnuthouse.com...] It was posted this morning (that's when I read it) and found it interesting also. Also, has this been discussed? [Link: republicans.oversight.house.gov...]

nope. that is indeed interesting, but not what i was thinking of.
I've combed through haakondahl's posts with no avail.

There seem to be a lot of people "favoriting" the specific post I am talking about.

125 [deleted]  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 3:22:24pm
126 keithgabryelski  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 3:22:54pm

re: #63 Dolphin

Haven't posted recently. If keithgabryelski is still on - is this what you were thinking of? [Link: rightwingnuthouse.com...] It was posted this morning (that's when I read it) and found it interesting also. Also, has this been discussed? [Link: republicans.oversight.house.gov...]

btw, thanks for the response.

127 doppelganglander  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 3:23:25pm

re: #115 esch

So they were romantically inclined, is what they're claiming?

Well you know what they say,

There's no face like holmes

I think they're exaggerating. RDJ is known for saying outrageous things. This Sherlock Holmes is supposed to be more action oriented, judging from the trailers, but I am pretty sure he is not gay for Watson.

128 [deleted]  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 3:23:51pm
129 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 3:23:55pm

re: #123 3 wood

Don't be so harsh. We have an administration that (imagine the calmest voice you've ever heard) "listens".

Really, do I have to?

130 Dianna  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 3:24:26pm

re: #125 buzzsawmonkey

It was the habitual cocaine use.

That, I am told, merely makes you hyper, paranoid and impotent (not that it removes the desire).

As Robin Williams said, "MMM! Yeah! Get me more of that!"

I am so glad I never once tried cocaine.

131 albusteve  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 3:24:29pm

re: #121 opnion

He sat in a pew for twenty years while the Reverend went into racist, anti-semitic & anti Amreican rants & never heard a thing.
As appaling as it was that he tried to sell that story it was even worse
that adults bought it.

the voters don't want the burden of being on the wrong side of BO and his agenda...alot of lying going around this admin and his bots

132 VioletTiger  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 3:25:02pm

re: #15 Dianna

I miss Barnabas Collins.


OMG, did you watch that too?
LOVED that series, even though I was pretty young for it.

133 RELOADINGISNOTAHOBBY  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 3:25:29pm

re: #123 3 wood

At least the F&^*ing UAW is paying attention!
My Nissan Titan was built here!
Would I have preffered a major American Truck?
Yup! They couldn't beat the deal!

134 3 wood  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 3:25:30pm

U.S. Markets Wrap: S&P 500 Rises on Home Sales; Bonds Decline


U.S. stocks rose for a fourth day after pending sales of existing homes increased more than forecast in June. Treasuries fell, while the dollar traded near the weakest level against the euro this year.

Ten-year Treasury notes fell as the pending home sales report added to signs that the U.S. recession is easing. The yield on the benchmark 10-year note increased 0.05 percentage point to 3.69 percent at 4:50 p.m. New York time.

The 10 year rate was 2.6% in March.

135 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 3:25:47pm

re: #119 eon

Jeffery Deaver put together a couple of short story books...
Twisted
and
More Twisted.

I really enjoyed it. There's a "Holmes" story. It's pretty good.

136 VioletTiger  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 3:26:16pm

re: #53 Charpete67

I'm still gonna ask for a demonstration with some garlic and a wooden stake before I believe...I just can't let the whole vampire thing go.

Yeah, the vampires on Twilight have relections!

137 [deleted]  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 3:26:26pm
138 SixDegrees  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 3:26:49pm

re: #123 3 wood

More stuff on the clunkers program:

Four of Top ‘Clunkers’ Model Purchases Are Foreign (Update3)

Nice to know that the WTO id dictating policy like that.

Interesting, too, that the top seller is made by the only American car company to turn down government aid, making fulfillment of the goal of boosting troubled domestic auto makers that much weaker.

But to be fair, it isn't the WTO dictating policy; it's Congress and previous Administrations. The US is bound by several ratified treaties in these matters; violating them would open a huge worm can for international relations.

139 DEZes  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 3:27:30pm

re: #111 snowcrash

I don't think the hints are supposed to be that difficult. lol

Ok, here goes.
DEZ is an abbreviation for a month in the German language'
Pipers were piping.
And HoosierHoops is a neighbor.

The year, I will keep that to myself. ;)

140 opnion  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 3:27:34pm

re: #131 albusteve

the voters don't want the burden of being on the wrong side of BO and his agenda...alot of lying going around this admin and his bots

There is a lot of paranoia going around, whether justified or not.
More than a few people I know ,who are not given to extremes think that BHO will have the next election rigged & that there is a coming crackdown on some civil liberties.

141 doppelganglander  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 3:27:37pm

re: #120 Dianna

I don't mind looking at either man, stripped to the waist. But...do I have to think about Holmes and Watson having sex?

I really, really don't want to. For one thing, I'm pretty sure Holmes was pretty much a-sexual.

Apparently Holmes is more, um, active in this version. There's one moment in the trailer where he appears nekkid but for a strategically placed pillow, handcuffed to the bed. Watson is no where in sight. I will be seeing this opening day (Christmas). so I'll report back about just how homoerotic it really is.

142 Silvergirl  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 3:27:54pm

re: #102 Killian Bundy

New Sherlock Holmes Film to Explore Homoerotic Relationship Between Lead Characters

/fun for the whole family!

This gives new meaning to "My dear Watson."

Okay, okay Sherlock fans, I know that "Elementary, my dear Watson" is not an accurate quote.

143 3 wood  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 3:28:03pm

re: #133 RELOADINGISNOTAHOBBY

At least the F&^*ing UAW is paying attention!
My Nissan Titan was built here!
Would I have preffered a major American Truck?
Yup! They couldn't beat the deal!

I just find it interesting that we are taking on long term debt to "stimulate" mainly foreign auto makers. I guess there's something wrong with me, but I find that not very productive.

144 solomonpanting  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 3:28:15pm

re: #123 3 wood

More stuff on the clunkers program:

Four of Top ‘Clunkers’ Model Purchases Are Foreign (Update3)


Nice to know that the WTO id dictating policy like that.

Top Ten Lists

145 Dianna  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 3:28:48pm

re: #132 VioletTiger

OMG, did you watch that too?
LOVED that series, even though I was pretty young for it.

As a very small child, there were two shows I would not miss:

Dark Shadows and The Green Hornet.

Screaming Bruce Lee fan from something close to baby-hood.

146 DEZes  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 3:28:59pm

re: #118 RELOADINGISNOTAHOBBY

Here!
Sounds like you need a drink!
Help yourself...the fridge is full.

I have one sitting on my desk. ;)

147 3 wood  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 3:29:19pm

re: #138 SixDegrees

The US is bound by several ratified treaties in these matters; violating them would open a huge worm can for international relations.

Well, we sure wouldn't want to upset our international neighbors, now would we?

148 Dianna  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 3:30:47pm

I'm out.

Take care, lizards!

149 opnion  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 3:31:07pm

re: #142 Silvergirl

This gives new meaning to "My dear Watson."

Okay, okay Sherlock fans, I know that "Elementary, my dear Watson" is not an accurate quote.

I woder if Holmes will say, "Watson old chap. I just can't seem to quit you."

150 RELOADINGISNOTAHOBBY  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 3:31:17pm

re: #143 3 wood

I find nothing about the cash for clunkers productive !
Perfectly good vehicle being destroyed/rendered undrivable
I agree with you, but my distane for unions runs deep!

151 albusteve  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 3:31:45pm

re: #140 opnion

There is a lot of paranoia going around, whether justified or not.
More than a few people I know ,who are not given to extremes think that BHO will have the next election rigged & that there is a coming crackdown on some civil liberties.

I think ACORN is in BOs pocket...they are primed to be a game changer of some sort...rigged can mean various things I guess, but as a resource they are huge...who knows

152 yochanan  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 3:31:55pm

[Link: www.vanityfair.com...]
bush as joker.

153 [deleted]  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 3:31:58pm
154 scion9  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 3:32:06pm

re: #102 Killian Bundy

From the article...

Playing up the homoerotic undercurrents in 'The Talented Mr. Ripley' worked rather well.

If anything the homosexual content in the movie was downplayed from the novel on that one, where there is no ambiguity between Ripley wanting to be with a man and wanting to be that man. That line is the entire theme of the movie, by contrast. I don't think the guy being quoted even read the book.

As for the Holmes adaptation, Guy Ritchie is already really hit or miss and I don't expect a lot from it regardless of graphic cinematic manlove being present or not. It will not be a faithful adaptation either way.

155 midwestgak  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 3:32:32pm

re: #142 Silvergirl

This gives new meaning to "My dear Watson."

Okay, okay Sherlock fans, I know that "Elementary, my dear Watson" is not an accurate quote.

Mr. Watson and Sherlock come home.

There's a lemon on the door.

Holmes asks, "What does this mean?"

Sherlock: My dear Watson, it's not a door, it's a lemon entry.

156 itellu3times  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 3:32:34pm

Geithner Vents at Regulators as Overhaul Stumbles

BY DAMIAN PALETTA AND DEBORAH SOLOMON
WASHINGTON -- Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner blasted top U.S. financial regulators in an expletive-laced critique last Friday as frustration grows over the Obama administration's faltering plan to overhaul U.S. financial regulation, according to people familiar with the meeting.
...

The Forehead of Sauron again fails to impress.

157 VioletTiger  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 3:32:59pm

re: #145 Dianna

As a very small child, there were two shows I would not miss:

Dark Shadows and The Green Hornet.

Screaming Bruce Lee fan from something close to baby-hood.

I can still hum 'Quentin's Song'.

158 albusteve  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 3:33:09pm

re: #153 buzzsawmonkey

Joking aside, the retro-sexualizing of classic characters to conform to modern-day obsessions is pretty damned distasteful.

It's pretty sad that so many allegedly creative types today cannot look beyond their divining rods--and must grave-rob because they have nothing to talk about beyond their own sexual fixations.

you speak for me...spit

159 Truck Monkey  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 3:33:15pm

re: #75 Dianna

I share my birthday with Lee Harvey Oswald's second daughter, month, day and year.

It's not significant, but it feels weird.

Talk about Spooky. I share the same birthday as Lee Harvey Oswald and was born (like you) in 1963.

160 3 wood  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 3:33:19pm

No worries. The Fed's think it might be nice to have some employees who know what they are doing.
Fed to Strengthen Bank Examinations With Expert Teams (Update1)


Aug. 4 (Bloomberg) -- The Federal Reserve plans to strengthen its examinations of banks’ lending practices and financial health with new teams composed of experts in everything from law to economics and markets.


Any time now would be nice.

161 Learned Mother of Zion  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 3:33:32pm

re: #98 AuntAcid

MIA since 01/20/09

Code Pink

"Support the Troops
Bring them Home" bumper stickers

"War is not the Answer" bumper stickers

Anti-war demonstrations w/flag burnings

Code Stink protesting Israeli cosmetics industry.

162 snowcrash  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 3:33:55pm

re: #139 DEZes
Ok, Dec 11 and I guess mid 1950's to early 1960's. Seems many lizards fit in that range. Maybe.

163 callahan23  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 3:34:09pm

re: #139 DEZes

Ok, here goes.
DEZ is an abbreviation for a month in the German language'
Pipers were piping.
And HoosierHoops is a neighbor.
-
The year, I will keep that to myself. ;)

December - as Dezember
- - -
Indiana

December, 11th /1816

164 albusteve  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 3:34:32pm

re: #154 scion9

From the article...

If anything the homosexual content in the movie was downplayed from the novel on that one, where there is no ambiguity between Ripley wanting to be with a man and wanting to be that man. That line is the entire theme of the movie, by contrast. I don't think the guy being quoted even read the book.

As for the Holmes adaptation, Guy Ritchie is already really hit or miss and I don't expect a lot from it regardless of graphic cinematic manlove being present or not. It will not be a faithful adaptation either way.

who could possibly give a shit...the whole concept is voyeuristic and creepy

165 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 3:34:37pm

re: #145 Dianna

Holmes did have a woman in his life, more than one...

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

166 SixDegrees  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 3:34:53pm

re: #147 3 wood

Well, we sure wouldn't want to upset our international neighbors, now would we?

It's more than simply a matter of upsetting them. Breaking treaties is illegal at several different levels, from domestic to international. It's not something to take lightly.

I'm no fan of CFC, but I don't see any practical way to have implemented it without running into exactly the result that has been produced. In my opinion, we would have been better off if it hadn't been implemented at all.

167 RELOADINGISNOTAHOBBY  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 3:35:15pm

re: #163 callahan23

Oh ...Your gunna pay for that!!
LOL

168 avanti  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 3:35:50pm

re: #144 solomonpanting

Top Ten Lists

The US market share is normally 45 %, so 47 % US brands is not bad especially considering the imports dominate the small car market and the US industry was weak. Many of the foreign brands have more American content then some of the domestics.
I was surprised to see how many SUV's were dumped for small cars though.

169 opnion  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 3:36:09pm

re: #151 albusteve

I think ACORN is in BOs pocket...they are primed to be a game changer of some sort...rigged can mean various things I guess, but as a resource they are huge...who knows

That ACORN is still getting Federal money with all that is known about them, can't be good.
Obama comes out of Cook County politics where they do not like to take chances on elections.
In natrional elections it was customary under the original Mayor Daley to hold back voting totals until downstste came in. That way they would know how many votes the needed.

170 DEZes  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 3:36:17pm

re: #162 snowcrash

Ok, Dec 11 and I guess mid 1950's to early 1960's. Seems many lizards fit in that range. Maybe.


1958, good guess.

re: #163 callahan23

December - as Dezember
- - -
Indiana

December, 11th /1816

I knew you would get it. ;)

171 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 3:36:30pm

Is this the Cylon of the Lambs? ... or on the lam?
Is he running on all Cylonders?
Is he Cylon the ship of state into a whirlpool of CharredBodies?
Personally, I betcha he went to school in Cylon instead of Indonesia.

/perhaps I better shut up and run like hell

172 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 3:37:16pm

re: #143 3 wood

Nope. Nothing wrong with you.

Rest of the world is on crazy pills.

173 VioletTiger  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 3:37:27pm

Looks like Rahm is ticking people off.

Issa to Emanuel: Back Off!
August 4, 2009

WASHINGTON. D.C. – Following reports that White House Chief of Staff Rahm Emanuel has been orchestrating an effort to intimidate members of Congress and Governors who raise legitimate concerns regarding the effectiveness of the stimulus, House Committee on Oversight and Government Reform Ranking Member Darrell Issa (R-CA) sent a letter to Emanuel saying “While this type of scare tactic may work In Chicago, it will not work to intimidate me or other Members of the United States Congress.”

“I and others have dared to bring these facts to the attention of President Obama, the Congress and the American people,” Issa wrote. “You’ve unfortunately reacted by once again resorting to the playbook of the Chicago political machine.”

174 callahan23  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 3:38:07pm

re: #167 RELOADINGISNOTAHOBBY

Oh ...Your gunna pay for that!!
LOL

Snowcrash and I came in with our answers within a 20 second period. Two here who've beaten you. ;-)

175 albusteve  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 3:38:45pm

re: #168 avanti

The US market share is normally 45 %, so 47 % US brands is not bad especially considering the imports dominate the small car market and the US industry was weak. Many of the foreign brands have more American content then some of the domestics.
I was surprised to see how many SUV's were dumped for small cars though.

the whole thing is wrong...it's theft and pandering...no surprise you vigorously endorse such a thing

176 [deleted]  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 3:38:46pm
177 tradewind  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 3:38:55pm

Shocka... Robert Gibbs caught in another lie for his boss...
[Link: thehill.com...]

178 DEZes  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 3:39:05pm

re: #174 callahan23

Snowcrash and I came in with our answers within a 20 second period. Two here who've beaten you. ;-)

I thought the pipers piping might be to vague, I was wrong. ;)

179 TheMatrix31  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 3:39:17pm

So, is Clinton getting the two women freed his greatest foreign policy success ever? He sure didn't do a good job protecting us from our current enemies back then.

180 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 3:39:18pm

re: #153 buzzsawmonkey

I thought the "League of Extraordinary Gentlemen" sahucked!

181 solomonpanting  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 3:40:01pm

re: #168 avanti

I was surprised to see how many SUV's were dumped for small cars though.

Some of that may be due to children growing up and parents no longer needing a large vehicle.
Jess Speculatin'

182 RELOADINGISNOTAHOBBY  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 3:40:11pm

re: #168 avanti

Here in Utah they call them Mormon School Buses...
Well if they find some more money I can finally get rid
of that damn all original 1969 Hemi Super Bee in my garage!!
Sucks fuel so bad...it only has 21,000 miles on It!!!
///

183 SixDegrees  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 3:40:19pm

re: #173 VioletTiger

Looks like Rahm is ticking people off.

I'd guess there will be more of this kind of pushback in the weeks to come. The Administration's Invincibility Armor was badly dented by Democratic infighting over Cap and Trade and the health care bill, together with their slow progress. Coupled with 0's falling approval rating, look for a bolder opposition.

184 DEZes  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 3:40:21pm

re: #180 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I thought the "League of Extraordinary Gentlemen" sahucked!

Wanna buy a copy?...Cheap.

185 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 3:41:05pm

re: #179 TheMatrix31

So, is Clinton getting the two women freed his greatest foreign policy success ever? He sure didn't do a good job protecting us from our current enemies back then.

Didn't he just take a flight over and pick up the ladies? Did he have anything to do with getting them freed?

186 opnion  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 3:41:29pm

re: #179 TheMatrix31

So, is Clinton getting the two women freed his greatest foreign policy success ever? He sure didn't do a good job protecting us from our current enemies back then.

Clinton wouldn't take advantage of their gratitude & hit on them, would he? Naaah

187 Mr Spiffy  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 3:41:31pm

re: #32 eon

He's not a vampire.

He may be an overbearing, swaggering, tin-plated dictator with delusions of godhood, but he's not a vampire.

/Campaigned as Picard, can't even manage to be a bad Kirk imitation.

cheers

eon

Upding for the "Tribbles" reference

188 tradewind  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 3:42:09pm

Waaahhh. They can dish it out, but they can't take it:
[Link: briefingroom.thehill.com...]

189 [deleted]  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 3:42:24pm
190 SixDegrees  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 3:42:27pm

re: #180 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I thought the "League of Extraordinary Gentlemen" sahucked!

Like a Hoover.

Please tell me this isn't going to be Sean Connery's Final Film. It would be a horrid way to end his career.

191 solomonpanting  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 3:42:31pm

re: #182 RELOADINGISNOTAHOBBY

Here in Utah they call them Mormon School Buses...
Well if they find some more money I can finally get rid
of that damn all original 1969 Hemi Super Bee in my garage!!
Sucks fuel so bad...it only has 21,000 miles on It!!!
///

What does it get, 15 gpm?

192 albusteve  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 3:42:34pm

re: #177 tradewind

Shocka... Robert Gibbs caught in another lie for his boss...
[Link: thehill.com...]

get used to it...just a little mixup in wordage...move along

193 FurryOldGuyJeans  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 3:42:41pm

re: #160 3 wood

No worries. The Fed's think it might be nice to have some employees who know what they are doing.
Fed to Strengthen Bank Examinations With Expert Teams (Update1)

Any time now would be nice.

I'd almost be tempted to say better late than never, but the latter seems to be the operative vein until attention gets focused on the cluelessness of those in charge.

194 VioletTiger  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 3:43:06pm

re: #183 SixDegrees

I'd guess there will be more of this kind of pushback in the weeks to come. The Administration's Invincibility Armor was badly dented by Democratic infighting over Cap and Trade and the health care bill, together with their slow progress. Coupled with 0's falling approval rating, look for a bolder opposition.

And I think that Joker poster is just the warning shot across the bow that Obama is no longer immune to spoofing and fun-making. Is that ever making liberal heads explode.

196 DEZes  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 3:43:41pm

re: #186 opnion

Clinton wouldn't take advantage of their gratitude & hit on them, would he? Naaah

Clinton was hitting on Kim, who said "back off, its not a girls name, now, take 2 of these and call me in the morning"

197 midwestgak  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 3:43:48pm

re: #155 midwestgak

Mr. Watson and Sherlock come home.

There's a lemon on the door.

Holmes asks, "What does this mean?"

Sherlock: My dear Watson, it's not a door, it's a lemon entry.

Good joke told badly.

They come home to a door that is shaped like a lemon.

arg

198 opnion  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 3:44:08pm

re: #189 buzzsawmonkey

I didn't see it.

I've gotten to the point where I can barely stand to watch current movies, unless there's a reasonable chance there are no special effects. If half the loving detail lavished on slo-mo explosions were expended on decent dialogue, you could actually see something interesting without having to give up 3 hours of your life and walking out half-deafened.

Just saw Harry Potter, "The Half Blood Prince." Really well done, but pretty dark.

199 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 3:44:08pm

re: #188 tradewind

Waaahhh. They can dish it out, but they can't take it:
[Link: briefingroom.thehill.com...]

Just talking a little tactic from the "rahm it to you" playbook.

200 callahan23  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 3:44:11pm

re: #178 DEZes

I thought the pipers piping might be to vague, I was wrong. ;)

'twas the hint about the entry of the state into the Union. Plus Hoosier is thy neighbor. ;-)

201 albusteve  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 3:44:12pm

re: #169 opnion

That ACORN is still getting Federal money with all that is known about them, can't be good.
Obama comes out of Cook County politics where they do not like to take chances on elections.
In natrional elections it was customary under the original Mayor Daley to hold back voting totals until downstste came in. That way they would know how many votes the needed.

2000...deja vu all over again?...hahaha!...would serve us right

202 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 3:44:43pm

re: #199 Walter L. Newton

Just talking a little tactic from the "rahm it to you" playbook.

talking = taking

203 Rancher  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 3:44:57pm

re: #179 TheMatrix31

So, is Clinton getting the two women freed his greatest foreign policy success ever? He sure didn't do a good job protecting us from our current enemies back then.


Sure was a domestic success for the Dear Leader having a former President come crawling. Next stop Iran to release the idiots that hiked into Ahmadinejad's backyard.

204 FurryOldGuyJeans  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 3:45:08pm

re: #190 SixDegrees

Like a Hoover.

Please tell me this isn't going to be Sean Connery's Final Film. It would be a horrid way to end his career.

Just as with Peter Sellers' real last film being a suckorama (Being There was 2nd), I prefer to ignore such trash and consider the last good film to be good actors' legacy.

205 albusteve  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 3:45:21pm

re: #194 VioletTiger

And I think that Joker poster is just the warning shot across the bow that Obama is no longer immune to spoofing and fun-making. Is that ever making liberal heads explode.

awsome poster...I mailed it to everybody I know

206 tradewind  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 3:45:30pm

re: #195 Sharmuta

Well Duh, as the kids say.
It's the star player in their D&D department.
** distract and divert

207 FurryOldGuyJeans  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 3:45:42pm

re: #199 Walter L. Newton

Just talking a little tactic from the "rahm it to you" playbook.

The Capone/Chicago way is in full swing again.

208 Fenway_Nation  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 3:45:46pm

re: #188 tradewind

From the link:

It is remarkably callous and extraordinarily out-of-touch for the White House and the Democrats to call the genuine concern over President Obama's government-run health care plan "manufactured." American families, small business owners, doctors, veterans, and seniors have real and serious concerns over the president's risky and costly government-run health care experiment. And they should — taxpayers will pay for this costly health care experiment because it will raise taxes without decreasing costs, increase the deficit and lead to less choice and lower-quality health coverage

Apparently opposition to any of 0bama's policies is 'manufactured' these days...

209 Truck Monkey  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 3:45:55pm

re: #179 TheMatrix31

So, is Clinton getting the two women freed his greatest foreign policy success ever? He sure didn't do a good job protecting us from our current enemies back then.

My guess is he could have picked up a couple a women in the US. He didn't have to go to North Korea to do it.

210 Dancing along the light of day  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 3:46:03pm

re: #196 DEZes

Where's the mind bleach? GAH!

211 eon  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 3:46:14pm

re: #135 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Jeffery Deaver put together a couple of short story books...
Twisted
and
More Twisted.

I really enjoyed it. There's a "Holmes" story. It's pretty good.

Thanks, I'll check them out.

Holmes stories ("pastiches") can be either very good or very bad. One of the best collections of same was edited by Adrian Conan Doyle, who selected ones he was pretty sure his father would have liked.

The movie A Study In Terror (1965) was based on one of the best examples, a novel written by "Ellery Queen" (Frederick Dannay and Manfred B. Lee). The "conceit" was that EQ (not a bad 'tec himself- see The French Powder Mystery, which deserves to be a movie) was given Watson's notes on Holmes' involvement in the Whitechapel Serial Killer Case of 1888- better known (inaccurately) as "Jack the Ripper". The result was one of the better variations of the story that became the "accepted" explanation for the murders until the 1990s, when further research determined that no, no one connected to the Royals was involved in any way. Murder by Decree (1979) was another variant of the same theory, starring Christopher Plummer as Holmes and James Mason as Watson, and actually based on The Ripper File, a two-hour "docudrama" episode of the British police TV show, Barlow at Large, from 1973. From Hell (2001) with Johnny Depp as Inspector Frederick Abberline, and based on Alan (Watchmen) Moore's graphic novel, was another variant of the same story.

cheers

eon

212 Kragar  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 3:46:46pm

re: #180 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I thought the "League of Extraordinary Gentlemen" sahucked!

Well, the fact it sucked likely had something to do with that line of reasoning.

213 TheMatrix31  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 3:46:47pm

re: #185 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Didn't he just take a flight over and pick up the ladies? Did he have anything to do with getting them freed?

I thought he went to negotiate the release?

214 opnion  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 3:46:57pm

re: #196 DEZes

Clinton was hitting on Kim, who said "back off, its not a girls name, now, take 2 of these and call me in the morning"

I think that Clinton still has those old proclivities.
If you had some drinks with him & got him talking, I'll bet he could really entertain.

215 SixDegrees  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 3:47:07pm

re: #188 tradewind

Waaahhh. They can dish it out, but they can't take it:
[Link: briefingroom.thehill.com...]

The same story was being played out on NPR today; the DNC obviously sent this talking point out to the rank and file. Keep an eye on it, and watch this story grow over the next couple of days. Then remember eight years of Republican speakers shouted off stages and physically assaulted, in many cases, all without comment by the media. Oh, and can we talk about pieing, while we're at it? A practice that was practically mainstream when there were Republicans at the podium

216 DEZes  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 3:47:22pm

re: #210 Floral Giraffe

Where's the mind bleach? GAH!

I keep a 55 gallon drum on hand at all times. ;)

217 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 3:47:47pm

Saw an old friend on Facebook this morning, haven't seen her in 30 years. We're meeting in a few minutes to catch up.

Can't wait to see the look in her eyes when I walk up.

I had a 29 in waist in high school and was 6 inches shorter.

This is going to be fun!

218 opnion  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 3:48:21pm

re: #201 albusteve

2000...deja vu all over again?...hahaha!...would serve us right

Oh history never repeats, repeats, repeats...

219 callahan23  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 3:48:21pm

re: #216 DEZes

I keep a 55 gallon drum on hand at all times. ;)

Comes handy in the Lizard 'trade'.

220 Truck Monkey  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 3:48:31pm

re: #215 SixDegrees

The same story was being played out on NPR today; the DNC obviously sent this talking point out to the rank and file. Keep an eye on it, and watch this story grow over the next couple of days. Then remember eight years of Republican speakers shouted off stages and physically assaulted, in many cases, all without comment by the media. Oh, and can we talk about pieing, while we're at it? A practice that was practically mainstream when there were Republicans at the podium

Oh Come on! That's different!
/

221 DEZes  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 3:48:35pm

re: #214 opnion

I think that Clinton still has those old proclivities.
If you had some drinks with him & got him talking, I'll bet he could really entertain.

Clinton was a smooth one, no doubt about that.

222 FurryOldGuyJeans  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 3:48:41pm

re: #205 albusteve

awsome poster...I mailed it to everybody I know

I find the poster to be juvenile, but the outrage about it is just so hypocritical considering Bush was "parodied" in the same fashion a year ago, and the media thought it was high art.

Both "works of art" are just so unimaginative.

223 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 3:48:56pm

re: #213 TheMatrix31

heh. That's funny.

The "Marginalization of Hillary" continues.

224 Dancing along the light of day  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 3:49:36pm

re: #194 VioletTiger

It's interesting to me that the only picture of that Joker poster is the same location, except the photoshopped Chicken restaurant.

I would have expected them to be all over the place.
The Daryl Gates ( LAPD chief) ones were everywhere!

225 albusteve  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 3:49:37pm

re: #195 Sharmuta

Birthers' flap discourages scrutiny of other areas of Obama's resume

like what?...his school transcripts?

226 callahan23  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 3:49:41pm

re: #217 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Saw an old friend on Facebook this morning, haven't seen her in 30 years. We're meeting in a few minutes to catch up.

Can't wait to see the look in her eyes when I walk up.

I had a 29 in waist in high school and was 6 inches shorter.

This is going to be fun!

Good luck and have fun.

227 avanti  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 3:49:52pm

re: #181 solomonpanting

Some of that may be due to children growing up and parents no longer needing a large vehicle.
Jess Speculatin'

You might be right, for me it was the 12-15 MPG in my pickup that made me dump it. Funny thing, two days after it was put down, I could have used a pickup for the first time in months, my friends borrowed it more than I used it though.

228 SteveC  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 3:50:14pm

re: #34 Ben Hur

What do you do?

Suck out the poison.
Suck out de poithon.
Suck out the poison.

Snake bite!
Snake bite!

Badger, badger, badger... snake! it's a snaaake!

229 [deleted]  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 3:50:22pm
230 VioletTiger  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 3:50:47pm

re: #188 tradewind

Waaahhh. They can dish it out, but they can't take it:
[Link: briefingroom.thehill.com...]

Cry me a river. Poor babies.

231 opnion  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 3:50:51pm

re: #221 DEZes

Clinton was a smooth one, no doubt about that.

Oh yeah.

232 albusteve  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 3:51:08pm

re: #207 FurryOldGuyJeans

The Capone/Chicago way is in full swing again.

break out the Louisville Slugger...how bout dem boyz in Philly at the polls?...cut loose by the feds

233 LudwigVanQuixote  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 3:51:13pm

He's a CYLON!!!

FRAK!

FRAK!

Get Galactica actual online!

FRAK!

We're all gonna die!

So say we all...

234 yochanan  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 3:51:24pm

re: #188 tradewind

calling the wambulance

235 Kragar  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 3:51:41pm

Gojra attacks were pre-planned: HRCP

LAHORE: Last week’s attacks on the Christian community in Gojra were not a spontaneous reaction to allegations of blasphemy but planned in advance, a fact-finding mission of the Human Rights Commission of Pakistan (HRCP) said on Tuesday.

The mission’s report said announcements made from mosques in Gojra on July 31 urged Muslims to gather and “make mincemeat of the Christians” over allegation of desecration of the Holy Quran a week earlier. Witnesses told HRCP that when they informed the police about the announcements, the police officials also confirmed hearing the announcements.

On August 1, around 1,000 people gathered in the area and marched towards Christian Colony the HRCP said, adding that a police contingent present in the neighbourhood did not try to stop the mob, which included a number of masked men.

Witnesses said the attackers appeared trained for rioting and arson, the commission reported.

236 TheMatrix31  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 3:52:01pm

re: #223 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

heh. That's funny.

The "Marginalization of Hillary" continues.

Bill negotiates a...uh..."release"...on a daily basis though, so I don't know what's new.

237 VioletTiger  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 3:52:12pm

Just watched that a-hole Gibbs say that the outrage expressed in Town Hall meetings is manufactured.
They are really in for rude awakening.

238 opnion  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 3:52:16pm

re: #229 buzzsawmonkey

I read the book; I've given up seeing the films. Again, too much time lavished on the effects. The books are overlong and clunky, the films, in my opinion, also.

I take a look at films done 40, 50, 60 years ago and marvel at how a few well-crafted lines of dialog and some intelligent cutting takes care of exposition that in a film made today takes twenty or thirty minutes of turgid grinding, long meaningful looks, and muttered monosyllables.

It was the rare feature film that went over an hour and a half back in the day; it is the rare feature film which runs under 2 hours now, and many run much longer. But that length shows no growth in scene framing, film cutting, or, as I have said, dialog--and I find the idea of paying $10 plus to sit in a shoebox and watch these things grind relentlessly on to be torture.

I thought that JK Rowling was better in the early Potter books, the ones that I read to my daughter.
She has gotten a little too dark.

239 albusteve  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 3:52:21pm

re: #222 FurryOldGuyJeans

I find the poster to be juvenile, but the outrage about it is just so hypocritical considering Bush was "parodied" in the same fashion a year ago, and the media thought it was high art.

Both "works of art" are just so unimaginative.

unimaginative?...well rest assure someone is working up something even for you

240 Fenway_Nation  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 3:52:45pm

re: #235 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Wonder if Pakistan's ISI Directorate has their fingerprints on this...

241 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 3:53:24pm

re: #208 Fenway_Nation

Apparently opposition to any of 0bama's policies is 'manufactured' these days...

IMHO, cap-L (far left) Liberals in general are so accustomed to dealing in various formulations of victimology, it's become a knee-jerk which some of them can't do without. Habit forming.

242 opnion  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 3:53:29pm

See ya!

243 tradewind  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 3:53:32pm

Whoah... the Joker poster has branched out...
I especially like the one of the ' prompter.
[Link: www.moonbattery.com...]
(Disclaimer in case the site stinks: I followed the link to it on The Hill. )

244 BlueCanuck  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 3:53:37pm

re: #238 opnion

Heard the best description of the last couple of books by one of my friends. Rowlings was writing her own fan-fic...

245 albusteve  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 3:53:39pm

re: #237 VioletTiger

Just watched that a-hole Gibbs say that the outrage expressed in Town Hall meetings is manufactured.
They are really in for rude awakening.

of course...stupidly they just threw gas on the fire

246 Sharmuta  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 3:53:55pm
247 FurryOldGuyJeans  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 3:54:01pm

re: #230 VioletTiger

Cry me a river. Poor babies.

Sucks to be in the party charge when the public starts waking up to just how clueless the Dems are acting.

248 Kragar  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 3:54:09pm

re: #240 Fenway_Nation

Wonder if Pakistan's ISI Directorate has their fingerprints on this...

Wouldn't be suprised. On the bright side, there was this as well.

Amid the assaults, the commission also noted that some Muslims in the neighbourhood provided shelter to Christian women fleeing the violence.

249 callahan23  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 3:54:19pm

re: #228 SteveC

Badger, badger, badger... snake! it's a snaaake!

Damn, that song is in a loop.
Gotta close the window or I am a mushroom myself.

250 albusteve  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 3:55:00pm

re: #243 tradewind

Whoah... the Joker poster has branched out...
I especially like the one of the ' prompter.
[Link: www.moonbattery.com...]
(Disclaimer in case the site stinks: I followed the link to it on The Hill. )

oh man...somebody's gonna have a stroke...I love it

251 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 3:55:20pm

re: #238 opnion

I thought that JK Rowling was better in the early Potter books, the ones that I read to my daughter.
She has gotten a little too dark.

I know nothing about Potter stories or books, but, I know a young Potter fanatic, and I'm told that Rowling planned the books to be read as a person grew up (and so does Potter), so, it was her plan to make the books more dark as the reader matured.

Just saying, it seems to be the way she planned it, both as a literary device and a marketing device.

252 solomonpanting  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 3:55:21pm

re: #227 avanti

You might be right, for me it was the 12-15 MPG in my pickup that made me dump it. Funny thing, two days after it was put down, I could have used a pickup for the first time in months, my friends borrowed it more than I used it though.

I still have an '85 F-150 I bought in '87. I rarely use it, think I should sell it, but know the minute I do I'll need it.

253 avanti  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 3:55:29pm

re: #225 albusteve

like what?...his school transcripts?

I just have to ask, what the fuck is it with the fascination with his school transcripts ? Do you think Harvard faked his graduation with honors or what ? You are a conservative, where in the constitution does it mention school grades required to be POTUS.

254 eon  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 3:55:35pm

re: #180 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I thought the "League of Extraordinary Gentlemen" sahucked!

Hate to tell you this, but I liked it. Much, much better than I liked the original GN.

I still haven't quite forgiven Alan Moore for what he did to Alan Quatermain in the GN. Connery's version was much more to my liking. And Peta Wilson was perfect as Mina.

I did like the GN version of Nemo a bit more than the movie's, but that's a minor quibble. Putting Tom Sawyer in as a U.S. Secret Service agent ala' Jim West was unexpected, but not bad.

/What can I say? I have weird tastes in entertainment.

cheers

eon

255 SixDegrees  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 3:55:44pm

re: #204 FurryOldGuyJeans

Just as with Peter Sellers' real last film being a suckorama (Being There was 2nd), I prefer to ignore such trash and consider the last good film to be good actors' legacy.

Apparently, Connery turned down the role of Saruman in The Lord of the Rings series, saying that he read the books and couldn't understand them. Pity, although it was awfully nice to see Christopher Lee back in action. And then there was the controversy over Lee being entirely cut from the third film, leaving a gaping plot hole in his place.

And you're correct, of course. Connery has a huge repertoire of outstanding performances to be proud of.

256 Fenway_Nation  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 3:56:06pm
257 DEZes  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 3:56:49pm

re: #251 Walter L. Newton

I know nothing about Potter stories or books, but, I know a young Potter fanatic, and I'm told that Rowling planned the books to be read as a person grew up (and so does Potter), so, it was her plan to make the books more dark as the reader matured.

Just saying, it seems to be the way she planned it, both as a literary device and a marketing device.

I read the same.

258 VioletTiger  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 3:57:57pm

re: #224 Floral Giraffe

It's interesting to me that the only picture of that Joker poster is the same location, except the photoshopped Chicken restaurant.

I would have expected them to be all over the place.
The Daryl Gates ( LAPD chief) ones were everywhere!


Perhaps they are trying to get the base ruffled up over how awful people are treating the One.
In this case it back-fired. That is one ingenious poster. It is going viral.
'Why so socialist?'

259 LudwigVanQuixote  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 3:58:11pm

By the way, I am curious and wish to make a quick informal poll...

Best TV Sci Fi

A) Battlestar Galactica (modern version)

B) Babylon 5

C) Firefly

D) Star Trek original series

E) Star Trek Next Gen and derivatives

F) Doctor Who (pick your favorite doctor)

G) Twilight Zone (when doing SF)

H) The Star Wars Christmas Special and the Ewok series.

[ed. note] if you answer H, you are a nerd god.

260 Sharmuta  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 3:58:33pm

re: #238 opnion

I thought that JK Rowling was better in the early Potter books, the ones that I read to my daughter.
She has gotten a little too dark.

I think the books are brilliant. Of course they've gotten darker- it's good vs. evil. But they're a brilliant parable to tribalism, and I can't recommend them enough. The films are not as good as the books, but then- what films are?

261 [deleted]  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 3:58:49pm
262 SteveC  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 3:58:56pm

re: #189 buzzsawmonkey

I didn't see it.

I've gotten to the point where I can barely stand to watch current movies, unless there's a reasonable chance there are no special effects. If half the loving detail lavished on slo-mo explosions were expended on decent dialogue, you could actually see something interesting without having to give up 3 hours of your life and walking out half-deafened.

Whatever happened to telling a good story?

"Of all the gin joints, in all the towns, in all the world, she walks into mine."

263 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 3:59:15pm

re: #240 Fenway_Nation

Wonder if Pakistan's ISI Directorate has their fingerprints on this...

I suspect the ISI would consider it a matter which could well be handled by the local experts. In other words, ... I doubt it.

264 DEZes  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 3:59:42pm

re: #259 LudwigVanQuixote

By the way, I am curious and wish to make a quick informal poll...

Best TV Sci Fi

A) Battlestar Galactica (modern version)

B) Babylon 5

C) Firefly

D) Star Trek original series

E) Star Trek Next Gen and derivatives

F) Doctor Who (pick your favorite doctor)

G) Twilight Zone (when doing SF)

H) The Star Wars Christmas Special and the Ewok series.

[ed. note] if you answer H, you are a nerd god.

Gonna go with G.

265 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 3:59:44pm

re: #259 LudwigVanQuixote

By the way, I am curious and wish to make a quick informal poll...

Best TV Sci Fi

A) Battlestar Galactica (modern version)

B) Babylon 5

C) Firefly

D) Star Trek original series

E) Star Trek Next Gen and derivatives

F) Doctor Who (pick your favorite doctor)

G) Twilight Zone (when doing SF)

H) The Star Wars Christmas Special and the Ewok series.

[ed. note] if you answer H, you are a nerd god.

LOST - hands down, and the last five seasons, the viewership and awards is proof of that. Yes, LOST is consider science fiction.

266 albusteve  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 3:59:51pm

re: #246 Sharmuta

Birthers Versus Truthers

the MSM is helping to draw these people into the mainstream...same as they did with the BDS maniacs...same reason to, to help write the political language...I hate the MSM with a passion

267 SteveC  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 3:59:51pm

re: #233 LudwigVanQuixote

He's a CYLON!!!

FRAK!

FRAK!

Get Galactica actual online!

FRAK!

We're all gonna die!

So say we all...

Jump us out of here, Starbuck!

268 avanti  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 3:59:55pm

re: #252 solomonpanting

I still have an '85 F-150 I bought in '87. I rarely use it, think I should sell it, but know the minute I do I'll need it.

Or the guy down the street will. Mine was a 91 F-150, but it was pretty beat up, and not worth $4500. I almost was going to go for a 10K base model, but ended spending more. A friend did buy a cheapir, and paid the 6K difference at 0% for 36 months.

269 Kragar  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 4:00:00pm

re: #259 LudwigVanQuixote

By the way, I am curious and wish to make a quick informal poll...

Best TV Sci Fi

A) Battlestar Galactica (modern version)

B) Babylon 5

C) Firefly

D) Star Trek original series

E) Star Trek Next Gen and derivatives

F) Doctor Who (pick your favorite doctor)

G) Twilight Zone (when doing SF)

H) The Star Wars Christmas Special and the Ewok series.

[ed. note] if you answer H, you are a nerd god.

Red Dwarf

Farscape

270 FurryOldGuyJeans  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 4:00:02pm

re: #255 SixDegrees

Apparently, Connery turned down the role of Saruman in The Lord of the Rings series, saying that he read the books and couldn't understand them. Pity, although it was awfully nice to see Christopher Lee back in action. And then there was the controversy over Lee being entirely cut from the third film, leaving a gaping plot hole in his place.

And you're correct, of course. Connery has a huge repertoire of outstanding performances to be proud of.

Lee was much better than Connery would have been in the role, and being distantly related to Tolkien didn't hurt either.

You need to see the extended versions if you haven't already to better appreciate the movies. Christopher Lee does have a greatly expanded role in them, including a very good death scene.

271 Sharmuta  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 4:00:22pm

re: #251 Walter L. Newton

I know nothing about Potter stories or books, but, I know a young Potter fanatic, and I'm told that Rowling planned the books to be read as a person grew up (and so does Potter), so, it was her plan to make the books more dark as the reader matured.

Just saying, it seems to be the way she planned it, both as a literary device and a marketing device.

I like the fact the books get more complex as you progress in the series. Rowling is a great writer, and I come to appreciate the books more as I re-read them. She's done a great service getting kids into reading.

272 SixDegrees  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 4:00:24pm

re: #229 buzzsawmonkey

I read the book; I've given up seeing the films. Again, too much time lavished on the effects. The books are overlong and clunky, the films, in my opinion, also.

I take a look at films done 40, 50, 60 years ago and marvel at how a few well-crafted lines of dialog and some intelligent cutting takes care of exposition that in a film made today takes twenty or thirty minutes of turgid grinding, long meaningful looks, and muttered monosyllables.

It was the rare feature film that went over an hour and a half back in the day; it is the rare feature film which runs under 2 hours now, and many run much longer. But that length shows no growth in scene framing, film cutting, or, as I have said, dialog--and I find the idea of paying $10 plus to sit in a shoebox and watch these things grind relentlessly on to be torture.

Mostly agree, but keep in mind that the films we still watch from a half-century ago are still around because those are the cream of the crop. The studios pumped out vast amounts of dreck during all periods; most of it is thankfully forgotten. But a relative handful are so good that they stick around, enthralling audiences generation after generation.

273 LudwigVanQuixote  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 4:00:51pm

re: #265 Walter L. Newton

LOST - hands down, and the last five seasons, the viewership and awards is proof of that. Yes, LOST is consider science fiction.

Fair enough. I'm collecting opinions. Do you think I should have added X-files to the list as well?

274 yochanan  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 4:01:02pm

re: #222 FurryOldGuyJeans

I find the poster to be juvenile, but the outrage about it is just so hypocritical considering Bush was "parodied" in the same fashion a year ago, and the media thought it was high art.

Both "works of art" are just so unimaginative.

[Link: www.vanityfair.com...]

275 FurryOldGuyJeans  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 4:01:20pm

re: #259 LudwigVanQuixote

By the way, I am curious and wish to make a quick informal poll...

Best TV Sci Fi

A) Battlestar Galactica (modern version)

B) Babylon 5

C) Firefly

D) Star Trek original series

E) Star Trek Next Gen and derivatives

F) Doctor Who (pick your favorite doctor)

G) Twilight Zone (when doing SF)

H) The Star Wars Christmas Special and the Ewok series.

[ed. note] if you answer H, you are a nerd god.

Ummm, which TZ versions? Either the original or that option needs to be dropped from the list.

276 Fenway_Nation  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 4:01:42pm

re: #259 LudwigVanQuixote

None of the Above

F]- The Venture Brothers

277 [deleted]  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 4:01:49pm
278 FurryOldGuyJeans  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 4:02:13pm

re: #274 yochanan

[Link: www.vanityfair.com...]

I've posted that link several times previously. I don't want to be a repetitive link whore, especially for VF. ;)

279 LudwigVanQuixote  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 4:02:13pm

re: #269 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Red Dwarf

Farscape

Ohhh good choices!

I love Red Dwarf, but I wasn't really considering comedy when I thought of the list. Farscape though should definitely be on the list as well as Lost though. For that matter, I should prolly add Space Above and Beyond.

280 callahan23  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 4:02:25pm

re: #259 LudwigVanQuixote

By the way, I am curious and wish to make a quick informal poll...

Best TV Sci Fi
A) Battlestar Galactica (modern version)
B) Babylon 5
C) Firefly
D) Star Trek original series
E) Star Trek Next Gen and derivatives
F) Doctor Who (pick your favorite doctor)
G) Twilight Zone (when doing SF)
H) The Star Wars Christmas Special and the Ewok series.

[ed. note] if you answer H, you are a nerd god.

I'll go with Walter here, for me it is Lost and then E)

281 snowcrash  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 4:03:04pm

re: #259 LudwigVanQuixote

By the way, I am curious and wish to make a quick informal poll...

Best TV Sci Fi

A) Battlestar Galactica (modern version)

B) Babylon 5

C) Firefly

D) Star Trek original series

E) Star Trek Next Gen and derivatives

F) Doctor Who (pick your favorite doctor)

G) Twilight Zone (when doing SF)

H) The Star Wars Christmas Special and the Ewok series.

[ed. note] if you answer H, you are a nerd god.

Torchwood BBC spin off Dr. Who

282 VioletTiger  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 4:03:06pm

re: #253 avanti

I just have to ask, what the fuck is it with the fascination with his school transcripts ? Do you think Harvard faked his graduation with honors or what ? You are a conservative, where in the constitution does it mention school grades required to be POTUS.

No need for profanity.
It would be interesting to see what he did in school. What classes did he take? What thesis did he write? These are basic things available on just about anybody else. You can go to the school library and find my thesis. You can find people who remember me, hung out with me, were in the same clubs as me. For some reason, nobody knows any of this about Obama. It has nothing to do with faked anything. We really don't know much about this man, that's all.

283 Kragar  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 4:03:19pm

re: #276 Fenway_Nation

None of the Above

F]- The Venture Brothers

"RELEASE THE BUTTERFLIES!"

284 FurryOldGuyJeans  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 4:03:22pm

re: #279 LudwigVanQuixote

Ohhh good choices!

I love Red Dwarf, but I wasn't really considering comedy when I thought of the list. Farscape though should definitely be on the list as well as Lost though. For that matter, I should prolly add Space Above and Beyond.

Add Crusade (B5 spinoff) and Sliders (first 3 seasons) if your adding.

285 LudwigVanQuixote  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 4:03:25pm

re: #275 FurryOldGuyJeans

Ummm, which TZ versions? Either the original or that option needs to be dropped from the list.

I meant the original, but several of the second incarnation of TZ had Harlan Ellison writing them. They were quite good. I have heard that there was a briefly lived third incarnation, but I never saw it.

286 albusteve  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 4:03:27pm

re: #253 avanti

I just have to ask, what the fuck is it with the fascination with his school transcripts ? Do you think Harvard faked his graduation with honors or what ? You are a conservative, where in the constitution does it mention school grades required to be POTUS.

the question was raised in the link Sarmuta posted...what is your fascination with the CfC rip off?...where in the Constitution does it give the feds the right to help sell cars?...why do you never address the underlying socialist premise to this ridiculous scam?...you are part of the problem, not the solution...you have zero moral ground in terms of citizens wanting to see BOs records...make me laugh again

287 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 4:03:42pm

re: #271 Sharmuta

I like the fact the books get more complex as you progress in the series. Rowling is a great writer, and I come to appreciate the books more as I re-read them. She's done a great service getting kids into reading.

Well, like I say, I don't know, never rad one, and only saw the "Prisoner" movie once, at home, and was drunk, so I don't remember much. I don't like fantasy at all.

But, I have a young person who is my go to on anything fantasy, such as LOTR and Potter. This person knows things about the books that the authors didn't even know.

288 Kragar  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 4:04:15pm

re: #279 LudwigVanQuixote

Ohhh good choices!

I love Red Dwarf, but I wasn't really considering comedy when I thought of the list. Farscape though should definitely be on the list as well as Lost though. For that matter, I should prolly add Space Above and Beyond.

Stargate franchise as well.

289 FurryOldGuyJeans  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 4:04:33pm

re: #285 LudwigVanQuixote

I meant the original, but several of the second incarnation of TZ had Harlan Ellison writing them. They were quite good. I have heard that there was a briefly lived third incarnation, but I never saw it.

Oh, The Prisoner! We can't forget THAT cult favorite! ;)

290 TheMatrix31  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 4:05:11pm

LOL

291 Dancing along the light of day  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 4:05:15pm

re: #277 buzzsawmonkey

Well, Casablanca was a happy accident--a perfect-storm convergence of the studio system, the communist Popular Front, US patriotism, and a little bit of Talmud.

And Bogart & Bacall!

292 Fenway_Nation  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 4:05:21pm

re: #283 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

"OK...who's turn was it to feed the butterflies?"

293 avanti  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 4:05:51pm

re: #261 buzzsawmonkey

The fascination with his school transcripts is that they represent the only (allegedly) solid achievement in his life, except for being elected to office.

Aren't you even a mite curious as to how the mind of the man running the country was formed--other than his managing to sit in a racist church for 20 years?

Curious perhaps, but none of my business, he graduated with honors, I'll settle for that. If you want to see how he formed his liberalism, just read his books. I don't even care about what he was thinking 25-30 years ago, the time to watch him is the next 4-8 years and stop dwelling on the past.

294 [deleted]  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 4:05:56pm
295 DEZes  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 4:06:08pm

re: #292 Fenway_Nation

"OK...who's turn was it to feed the butterflies?"

Feed them to what. ;)

296 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 4:07:03pm

re: #277 buzzsawmonkey

BTW, Buzz, have you seen The Scarlet Pimpernel version with Anthony Andrews and Jane Seymour?

297 Kragar  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 4:07:03pm

re: #292 Fenway_Nation

"OK...who's turn was it to feed the butterflies?"

The Henchmen prep for battle:

298 FurryOldGuyJeans  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 4:07:13pm

re: #286 albusteve

the question was raised in the link Sarmuta posted...what is your fascination with the CfC rip off?...where in the Constitution does it give the feds the right to help sell cars?...why do you never address the underlying socialist premise to this ridiculous scam?...you are part of the problem, not the solution...you have zero moral ground in terms of citizens wanting to see BOs records...make me laugh again

He wants to tell us what is acceptable yet again. We keep taking him off his daily talking points memo and that drives him bonkers since he has no ready answer except to curse.

299 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 4:07:27pm

re: #293 avanti

Curious perhaps, but none of my business, he graduated with honors, I'll settle for that. If you want to see how he formed his liberalism, just read his books. I don't even care about what he was thinking 25-30 years ago, the time to watch him is the next 4-8 years and stop dwelling on the past.

And you didn't care about Bushes service record? You could honestly say the same thing about Bush as you say above about Obama?

300 Sharmuta  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 4:07:36pm

re: #287 Walter L. Newton

Well, like I say, I don't know, never rad one, and only saw the "Prisoner" movie once, at home, and was drunk, so I don't remember much. I don't like fantasy at all.

But, I have a young person who is my go to on anything fantasy, such as LOTR and Potter. This person knows things about the books that the authors didn't even know.

I started reading the Potter books because I was at a girlfriends one Thanksgiving. The next morning, I was the first one up, so I grabbed her daughter's first Potter book to pass some time. Thought I'd see what the kids were into, you know? I really enjoyed it, so I kept reading. As I did so, I became fond of Rowling's ability to enrich and complicate her tale. They're well done books and I believe they'll stand the test of time.

301 TheMatrix31  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 4:08:00pm

re: #293 avanti

Curious perhaps, but none of my business, he graduated with honors, I'll settle for that. If you want to see how he formed his liberalism, just read his books. I don't even care about what he was thinking 25-30 years ago, the time to watch him is the next 4-8 years and stop dwelling on the past.

What he learned 25-30 years ago is what dictates what he does in the next 4-8 years. What's so fucking hard to understand about that?

302 LudwigVanQuixote  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 4:08:12pm

re: #284 FurryOldGuyJeans

Add Crusade (B5 spinoff) and Sliders (first 3 seasons) if your adding.

Given how much Crusade got screwed over by the studios, I have a hard time putting it up next to B5 - and believe me, I love JMS.

Addendum to list

I) Lost

J) Quantum Leap

K) Logan's Run (the series)

L) Torchwood

M) Sliders

N) Farscape

O) Stargate

303 Sharmuta  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 4:08:32pm

re: #302 LudwigVanQuixote

I loved Sliders!

304 Kragar  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 4:08:55pm

re: #295 DEZes

Feed them to what. ;)

SILENCE! Or you will feel the deadly sting of THE MONARCH! Just like the deadly Monarch butterfly whose name I have taken!

305 DEZes  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 4:09:15pm

re: #303 Sharmuta

I loved Sliders!

Its the onions... Oh never mind.

306 SteveC  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 4:09:23pm

re: #291 Floral Giraffe

And Bogart & Bacall!

You land Bogart and Bacall for your movie, you're almost
gar-an-damn-teed at least one Oscar.

307 LudwigVanQuixote  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 4:09:45pm

re: #289 FurryOldGuyJeans

Oh, The Prisoner! We can't forget THAT cult favorite! ;)

I AM A MAN NOT A NUMBER!!!

However, does psychedelia count as sci fi?

308 DEZes  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 4:09:55pm

re: #305 DEZes

Its the onions... Oh never mind.

Egad, its Mothra...

309 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 4:10:10pm

re: #301 TheMatrix31

What he learned 25-30 years ago is what dictates what he does in the next 4-8 years. What's so fucking hard to understand about that?

Oh come on. The progressives were never worried about Bushes military service record, or how well he ran a baseball team he owned, or his association with Skull and Bones, or his "C" average in college or his...

310 snowcrash  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 4:10:30pm

Wasn't there much discussion about Kerry's and Bushes GPA while at Yale? They were similar I think.

311 albusteve  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 4:10:37pm

re: #293 avanti

Curious perhaps, but none of my business, he graduated with honors, I'll settle for that. If you want to see how he formed his liberalism, just read his books. I don't even care about what he was thinking 25-30 years ago, the time to watch him is the next 4-8 years and stop dwelling on the past.

what do you care about avanti?...would you agree with your liberal allies here that we are racist because of our curiosity?...I don't need to read his books because you are a perfect reflection of BOs socialistic/Marxist ideology...it's odd to me what you consider "your business"

312 Silvergirl  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 4:10:38pm

re: #246 Sharmuta

Birthers Versus Truthers

The piece from your link that I particularly liked:

Today, conservatives and liberals can vacation together or join dating services to court only the like minded. At night, one side watches only MSNBC and the other side only Fox News. And when people are around likeminded individuals, one study found, their viewpoints only become that much more extreme.

The fact that conservatives and liberals and those in between somewhere can blog here with a certain degree of give-and-take helps overcome the extremism referred to above. I also believe we can do more in the way of listening to each other before flying off the handle and filling the comment box with expletives.

313 midwestgak  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 4:11:00pm

re: #292 Fenway_Nation

"OK...who's turn was it to feed the butterflies?"

The group Heart. The Dog and the . . .

. . . up in the air the fly.

314 FurryOldGuyJeans  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 4:11:42pm

re: #293 avanti

You swallow the most egregious crap the administration flunkies spew without even batting an eyelid, yet constantly whine and complain when some people complain about the stench.

315 Sharmuta  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 4:12:05pm

re: #312 Silvergirl

The fact that conservatives and liberals and those in between somewhere can blog here with a certain degree of give-and-take helps overcome the extremism referred to above. I also believe we can do more in the way of listening to each other before flying off the handle and filling the comment box with expletives.

WTF do you mean by that?!1! ;)

316 [deleted]  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 4:12:07pm
317 avanti  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 4:12:28pm

re: #282 VioletTiger

No need for profanity.
It would be interesting to see what he did in school. What classes did he take? What thesis did he write? These are basic things available on just about anybody else. You can go to the school library and find my thesis. You can find people who remember me, hung out with me, were in the same clubs as me. For some reason, nobody knows any of this about Obama. It has nothing to do with faked anything. We really don't know much about this man, that's all.

Sorry about the F word, I though that was SOP on LGF, but I'll stop. There are plenty of folks that talked about Obama in college, and some of the personal stuff he shared in his books was very unusual for a potential politician. i.e. his drug use, some radical associations and the rest. My main point is, like the nirther issue, why dwell on it, nothing you will learn will change the fact that he was elected POTUS and now, there are bigger fish to fry.

318 albusteve  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 4:13:05pm

re: #298 FurryOldGuyJeans

He wants to tell us what is acceptable yet again. We keep taking him off his daily talking points memo and that drives him bonkers since he has no ready answer except to curse.

setting the rules of the dialog...like some others here...they feed off each other...when pressed they ignore the question and go hug each other...spit

319 DEZes  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 4:13:08pm

re: #293 avanti

"the time to watch him is the next 4-8 years and stop dwelling on the past."

Ignore history, good plan.
///

320 LudwigVanQuixote  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 4:13:09pm

re: #272 SixDegrees

Mostly agree, but keep in mind that the films we still watch from a half-century ago are still around because those are the cream of the crop. The studios pumped out vast amounts of dreck during all periods; most of it is thankfully forgotten. But a relative handful are so good that they stick around, enthralling audiences generation after generation.

That is so true.

I figure that a good year for movies has two to three really good ones and maybe another two or three just good ones, as opposed to dozens of pieces of crap. A bad year for movies has one or two that weren't completely stupid and dozens of pieces of crap. Great use of the word dreck BTW.

In case any non Yiddish using lizards didn't know, dreck means shit.

321 [deleted]  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 4:13:11pm
322 Silvergirl  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 4:13:33pm

re: #294 buzzsawmonkey

Buzz, if you don't know of this blog, you might want to take a look. It's a favorite of mine.

323 Sharmuta  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 4:13:55pm

Now I'm in the mood for a Harry Potter book.

324 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 4:14:05pm

re: #316 buzzsawmonkey

I will put this as politely as I can: shut the hell up about "graduated with honors," already. Those of us who went to universities of the caliber that Obama attended know what a hollow fraud those "honors" can be. Your constant genuflection to that empty phrase is touching, but suggests that you have absolutely no basis for assessing its worth.

I don't know what "forming his liberalism" means; I would like to know what he studied, and with whom, because that means a lot more than the fact that he got "honors"--more, it actually allows one to assess whether those "honors" have any genuine substance or not. Which is, I suspect, precisely why you and others of your political stripe are so vehemently opposed to the material being made public.

His books are self-promoting puff pieces; I want to see what is behind them. And I want to find out about his past because the past is prologue, and I want to be able to gauge, from his past, precisely how badly he's going to stick us in the present and future.

One word "AYERS."

325 Silvergirl  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 4:14:12pm

re: #315 Sharmuta

WTF do you mean by that?!1! ;)

You're good!

326 formercorpsman  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 4:14:38pm

re: #316 buzzsawmonkey

But he graduated with honors.

327 Sharmuta  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 4:14:56pm

Question for Potter fans: which book is your favorite and why?

328 [deleted]  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 4:15:24pm
329 albusteve  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 4:16:01pm

re: #317 avanti

Sorry about the F word, I though that was SOP on LGF, but I'll stop. There are plenty of folks that talked about Obama in college, and some of the personal stuff he shared in his books was very unusual for a potential politician. i.e. his drug use, some radical associations and the rest. My main point is, like the nirther issue, why dwell on it, nothing you will learn will change the fact that he was elected POTUS and now, there are bigger fish to fry.

like what?...maintaining this mysterious messiah personna is no small thing

330 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 4:16:17pm

re: #293 avanti

Curious perhaps, but none of my business, he graduated with honors, I'll settle for that. If you want to see how he formed his liberalism, just read his books. I don't even care about what he was thinking 25-30 years ago, the time to watch him is the next 4-8 years and stop dwelling on the past.

I wonder if you would apply this same "logic" to the person marrying your daughter?

331 SteveC  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 4:16:21pm

re: #326 formercorpsman

But he graduated with honors.

I assume he got a degree? I graduated with 100 degrees. I had a fever!

332 Fenway_Nation  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 4:16:26pm

Oh my...this is reassuring.

The White House is worried about the 'manufactured' outrage over 0bamacare and needs our help in tracking down the source of all this manufactured 'rumors'.

There is a lot of disinformation about health insurance reform out there, spanning from control of personal finances to end of life care. These rumors often travel just below the surface via chain emails or through casual conversation. Since we can’t keep track of all of them here at the White House, we’re asking for your help. If you get an email or see something on the web about health insurance reform that seems fishy, send it to flag-AT-whitehouse.gov.

333 DEZes  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 4:17:08pm

re: #330 Walter L. Newton

ZING.

334 eon  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 4:17:16pm

re: #259 LudwigVanQuixote

By the way, I am curious and wish to make a quick informal poll...

Best TV Sci Fi

A) Battlestar Galactica (modern version)

B) Babylon 5

C) Firefly

D) Star Trek original series

E) Star Trek Next Gen and derivatives

F) Doctor Who (pick your favorite doctor)

G) Twilight Zone (when doing SF)

H) The Star Wars Christmas Special and the Ewok series.

[ed. note] if you answer H, you are a nerd god.

I've never seen the new BG, as I hated the original. Now that it's out on DVD, I might just sit through it.

B5 was excellent throughout; possibly the best "Hard SF" TV series to date.

Firefly was OK- but I really couldn't get into it. If it had gotten a second season, it might have actually found its voice, as they say. (Serenity, the movie, showed what might have been.)

Star Trek- TOS? I love it, in spite of its faults. (As a longtime Trekkie, going back to the original airing of "Where No Man Has Gone Before" on 22 Sept 1966, I can criticize with a clear conscience.)

Star Trek; The Next Generation was, IMHO, much less interesting than Enterprise, and far less interesting than Deep Space Nine. As for Voyager, I gave up on it early on; only Seven of Nine (Jeri Ryan) convinced me to watch any of the later episodes.

Doctor Who- Favorite Doctor(s); John Pertwee, Sylvester McCoy, and Tom Baker. Least favorite; Colin Baker and the new guy. Overall, I liked the show "way back when"- shoehorning it into one-hour (actually 43-minute) slots is killing it. Oh, PS- favorite Companions; Leela, Martha, Ace, and K-9.

Twilight Zone did some of the best SF ever put on TV, with episodes like "Third From the Sun", "The Rip Van Winkle Caper", "Number 12 Looks Just Like You", and "The Monsters Are Due On Maple Street". Serling bridged the "gap" between horror and SF very effectively. ("Number 12", based on a Charles Beaumont story, "The Beautiful People", would have scared the hell out of Aldous Huxley and George Orwell both.)

I saw the Star Wars Christmas Special, and studiously avoided the Ewok show. What I mainly learned from the special is that, while she's quite beautiful, Carrie Fisher did not inherit any appreciable amount of her mother's singing talent; good, but not great like Debbie.

How did I do?

cheers

eon

335 Silvergirl  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 4:17:35pm

re: #330 Walter L. Newton

I wonder if you would apply this same "logic" to the person marrying your daughter?

Guess who's coming to dinner?

336 FurryOldGuyJeans  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 4:17:48pm

re: #320 LudwigVanQuixote

That is so true.

I figure that a good year for movies has two to three really good ones and maybe another two or three just good ones, as opposed to dozens of pieces of crap. A bad year for movies has one or two that weren't completely stupid and dozens of pieces of crap. Great use of the word dreck BTW.

In case any non Yiddish using lizards didn't know, dreck means shit.

1939 was an exceptional year that many a good film is still largely unknown, like Ninotchka.

337 Sharmuta  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 4:17:58pm

I also liked Quantum Leap.

338 albusteve  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 4:18:14pm

re: #332 Fenway_Nation

Oh my...this is reassuring.

The White House is worried about the 'manufactured' outrage over 0bamacare and needs our help in tracking down the source of all this manufactured 'rumors'.

Big Brother...rat out your neighbor...I'm on the verge I tell ya

339 [deleted]  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 4:18:15pm
340 LudwigVanQuixote  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 4:18:16pm

re: #296 pre-Boomer Marine brat

BTW, Buzz, have you seen The Scarlet Pimpernel version with Anthony Andrews and Jane Seymour?

When I was younger, I had such a crush on Jane Seymour (the actress, not the queen). She's Jewish too.

In fact I will date myself, but, between her on the original BSG and Princess Leia in the metal bikini, girls went from ucky to fascinating.

341 FurryOldGuyJeans  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 4:18:18pm

re: #335 Silvergirl

Guess who's coming to dinner?

VERY good movie, even if a bit dated.

342 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 4:18:33pm

re: #332 Fenway_Nation

Oh my...this is reassuring.

The White House is worried about the 'manufactured' outrage over 0bamacare and needs our help in tracking down the source of all this manufactured 'rumors'.

I thought all you needed to do was pass the information on to your block captain?

343 FurryOldGuyJeans  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 4:18:55pm

re: #339 buzzsawmonkey

Lauren Bacall was not in Casablanca. Her first film with Bogart was To Have and Have Not.

Ingrid Bergman played opposite Bogart in Casablanca--though frankly it's Bogart's and Rains's movie.

Bogart and Rains, very weird love story. ;)

344 avanti  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 4:19:16pm

re: #299 Walter L. Newton

And you didn't care about Bushes service record? You could honestly say the same thing about Bush as you say above about Obama?

Walter, some of those issues raised during a election campaign make a lot of sense. Once the voters have made up their minds, it's simply a waste of time, Bush or Obama unless you suspect a impeachable offense.
No, I did not care about Bush's service record after he was elected.

345 SteveC  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 4:19:45pm

re: #337 Sharmuta

I also liked Quantum Leap.

Oh, boy!

346 FurryOldGuyJeans  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 4:19:47pm

re: #342 Walter L. Newton

I thought all you needed to do was pass the information on to your block captain?

The City Kommisars haven't gotten around to appoint the block captains, yet.

347 TheMatrix31  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 4:20:25pm

re: #332 Fenway_Nation

Oh my...this is reassuring.

The White House is worried about the 'manufactured' outrage over 0bamacare and needs our help in tracking down the source of all this manufactured 'rumors'.

That's so fucking creepy. I'm really sick of this crap.

348 Silvergirl  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 4:20:36pm

re: #337 Sharmuta

I also liked Quantum Leap.

I may have to admit to a Scott Bakula infatuation, but the show was one of my favorites too.

349 solomonpanting  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 4:20:44pm

re: #317 avanti

Sorry about the F word, I though that was SOP on LGF

That is not "standard" here. My unscientific best guesstimate would be that less than ten percent, and probably many fewer, of posters here drop the F bomb.
Not f*cking fair of you.

350 albusteve  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 4:20:46pm

re: #344 avanti

Walter, some of those issues raised during a election campaign make a lot of sense. Once the voters have made up their minds, it's simply a waste of time, Bush or Obama unless you suspect a impeachable offense.
No, I did not care about Bush's service record after he was elected.

which issues made sense?

351 Sharmuta  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 4:20:52pm

re: #345 SteveC

My vote would have to go to the Original Star Trek, though. It set the standard.

352 FurryOldGuyJeans  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 4:21:03pm

re: #344 avanti

YOU think it's a waste of time, which shows how much crap you are willing to swallow.

And that's all I say on this.

353 [deleted]  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 4:21:28pm
354 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 4:21:44pm

re: #321 buzzsawmonkey

Jane Seymour? I didn't know Henry VIII allowed his wife to act.

Seriously, though--no.

("With her head .. tucked .. underneath her arm ... ")

This one's tone is far different from that of the 30's classic. It's well worth a look-see. Fine acting. A bit of a melodramatic swashbuckler, but melodrama done deliberately (and well done) for effect. Ian McKellan creates a wonderful villain.

355 albusteve  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 4:22:10pm

"I don't plan profanity, it just rolls right off my tongue"

356 esch  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 4:22:23pm

re: #347 TheMatrix31

That's so fucking creepy. I'm really sick of this crap.

Oh, it's going to get a hell of a lot worse than this. I'm waiting for the 'hints' to start.

357 formercorpsman  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 4:22:34pm

re: #317 avanti

Actually Avanti, yourself and others like twisting this argument.

Your response has nothing to do with the justification Buzz just gave you as it relates to this particular matter.

It a tap dance that you, and some others do on here while never really answering what people opine on.

I can only speak for myself, but wanting to see his credentials (college transcripts) has nothing to do with using them to oust him from office. He was elected, that is that.

As well, implying such a thing is nothing more than an attempt to tarnish anyone who will actually give enough of their own time to assess what is in front of them, other than just being fed the hope & change regurgitation like a baby bird.

As well, his books were not all that long ago.

He said it himself.

Transparency.

358 LudwigVanQuixote  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 4:22:51pm

re: #334 eon

I wasn't quizing with a right or wrong, but, you have proven that you can hang with us sci fi folks with great prowess. Is you nic a Greg Bear ref?

If you liked B5, and I LOVE it, then you will truly love the new BSG for it's hard sci fi aspects. Also the new BSG is the only science fiction that I have seen where the space military looks, acts and reacts like a real military. BSG is dark, gritty and all to real about the human condition. It also maintains consistent rules for it's physics, and because of that, it has tactics to explore and the ability to show a really great commander coming up with a really great plan - and conversely, bad commanders screwing up and getting people killed.

359 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 4:23:10pm

re: #336 FurryOldGuyJeans

1939 was an exceptional year that many a good film is still largely unknown, like Ninotchka.

"I kissed the Polish lancer too."
I love that line, in its context.

360 jamgarr  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 4:23:43pm

re: #327 Sharmuta

Question for Potter fans: which book is your favorite and why?

The first (introduction to that world)
and
The last (the second-half was non-putdownable!)

361 FurryOldGuyJeans  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 4:23:45pm

Since we are on about SciFi TV series, how about SciFi movies that set the standard?

Forbidden Planet comes to mind.

362 avanti  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 4:23:52pm

re: #330 Walter L. Newton

I wonder if you would apply this same "logic" to the person marrying your daughter?

Absolutely, I'd would not judge a 48 year old suitor for his youthful behavior, nor demand his college transcripts. My son is 28 years old, and a totally different man then he was even 10 years ago.

363 yochanan  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 4:24:55pm

re: #275 FurryOldGuyJeans

G

364 [deleted]  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 4:25:09pm
365 SteveC  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 4:25:19pm

re: #335 Silvergirl

Guess who's coming to dinner?

Another WONDERFUL Movie: In the Heat of the Night

"I got the motive which is money and the body which is dead!"

366 FurryOldGuyJeans  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 4:25:19pm

re: #359 pre-Boomer Marine brat

"I kissed the Polish lancer too."
I love that line, in its context.

I finally saw the movie a couple of weeks ago and now semi-regret having not seen it sooner. The original tagline says all one needs to know about the movie:

Garbo Laughs

367 3 wood  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 4:25:28pm

Well Biden found a microphone again.

Get ready for it:


Biden: Economic Stimulus 'Is Working'

*snicker*...

*snort*...


Bwwaaahaaahaaa.


Vice President Biden cited more positive economic data on Tuesday, using it to buttress the Obama administration's argument that its $787 billion stimulus program is doing its job and revving up the economy.

"I can tell you today, without reservation, the Recovery Act is working," Biden told reporters after a White House meeting about the stimulus program with members of the administration's economic team. President Obama was not present.

Nearly six months after Obama signed the stimulus program into law, the administration is trying to counter criticism, as well as perceptions, that the program has failed to create thousands of promised jobs.

Nationwide unemployment has risen every month since the stimulus took effect in February, climbing in June to a 26-year high of 9.5 percent. The July rate, which the government will announce Friday, was expected to be even higher.


I predict another attack by the MSM on Palin to counter.

368 FurryOldGuyJeans  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 4:25:45pm

re: #363 yochanan

G

Y? ;)

369 DEZes  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 4:25:45pm

re: #361 FurryOldGuyJeans

Since we are on about SciFi TV series, how about SciFi movies that set the standard?

Forbidden Planet comes to mind.

Excellent, Forbidden Planet broke alot of new ground.

370 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 4:25:51pm

re: #340 LudwigVanQuixote

When I was younger, I had such a crush on Jane Seymour (the actress, not the queen). She's Jewish too.

In fact I will date myself, but, between her on the original BSG and Princess Leia in the metal bikini, girls went from ucky to fascinating.

You "date" yourself?
Go sit in the corner, young 'un!
For me it was Annette Funicello ... ON THE MICKEY MOUSE CLUB !

371 avanti  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 4:26:03pm

re: #349 solomonpanting

That is not "standard" here. My unscientific best guesstimate would be that less than ten percent, and probably many fewer, of posters here drop the F bomb.
Not f*cking fair of you.

To be honest, that's a bit unfair, one or two posters use it daily without a word of protest, but I will agree to stop and hope that others will to.

372 FurryOldGuyJeans  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 4:26:31pm

re: #367 3 wood

Well Biden found a microphone again.

Get ready for it:

Biden: Economic Stimulus 'Is Working'

*snicker*...

*snort*...

Bwwaaahaaahaaa.


I predict another attack by the MSM on Palin to counter.

Expect another resurrection of the Bush Boogie Man wedged in there somewhere.

373 Irish Rose  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 4:27:09pm

Is it just me, or is there more than the usual amount of mudslinging on the blog tonight?

374 TheMatrix31  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 4:27:20pm

re: #362 avanti

Absolutely, I'd would not judge a 48 year old suitor for his youthful behavior, nor demand his college transcripts. My son is 28 years old, and a totally different man then he was even 10 years ago.

Except Barack Obama is proven to be exactly the same as what he was and what he was influenced by so long ago.

375 Scion9  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 4:27:26pm

re: #344 avanti

You know he's going to run again in a few years right?

376 wrenchwench  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 4:28:10pm

re: #373 Irish Rose

Is it just me, or is there more than the usual amount of mudslinging on the blog tonight?

It's certainly not you. You are not slinging your share.

/

377 LudwigVanQuixote  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 4:28:21pm

re: #361 FurryOldGuyJeans

Since we are on about SciFi TV series, how about SciFi movies that set the standard?

Forbidden Planet comes to mind.

Blade Runner

Aliens (better than the original IMHO, and lots of the gadgets are actually now deployed)

Star Wars IV-VI (even if it is absolutely space opera, it is THE space opera, and it certainly set the standard)

Day the Earth Stood Still (the original of course!)

Close Encounters of the Third Kind

Clockwork Orange

1984 version of 1984

378 jamgarr  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 4:28:23pm

re: #361 FurryOldGuyJeans

Since we are on about SciFi TV series, how about SciFi movies that set the standard?

Forbidden Planet comes to mind.

"Would 50 gallons be sufficient?"

379 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 4:28:26pm

re: #366 FurryOldGuyJeans

I finally saw the movie a couple of weeks ago and now semi-regret having not seen it sooner. The original tagline says all one needs to know about the movie:

Garbo Laughs

Have you seen Scarlet Earrings, with Dietrich and Ray Milland?

/and if you ask who I mean by "Dietrich", I'm gonna ... !

380 Silvergirl  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 4:28:27pm

re: #365 SteveC

Another WONDERFUL Movie: In the Heat of the Night

"I got the motive which is money and the body which is dead!"

The slap heard round the world.

381 Irish Rose  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 4:28:46pm

re: #376 wrenchwench

It's certainly not you. You are not slinging your share.

/

What?

382 LudwigVanQuixote  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 4:29:00pm

re: #370 pre-Boomer Marine brat

You "date" yourself?
Go sit in the corner, young 'un!
For me it was Annette Funicello ... ON THE MICKEY MOUSE CLUB !

Fabulous!

383 SteveC  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 4:29:36pm

re: #373 Irish Rose

Is it just me, or is there more than the usual amount of mudslinging on the blog tonight?

It's LGF movie night. Some of us want the classics, a couple want action/adventure, one or two want romance, and someone wants The Life and Times Of Barak Obama

384 eon  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 4:29:51pm

re: #306 SteveC

You land Bogart and Bacall for your movie, you're almost
gar-an-damn-teed at least one Oscar.

The Big Sleep, along with The Maltese Falcon probably the best film noir' of them all.

I was watching the DVD release of Clint Eastwood's "Dirty Harry" movie Sudden Impact (1983) the other day (having just bought it), and it hit me that unlike the other "DH" films, which are police actioners, SI is in fact a classic film noir', being essentially a revenge melodrama with Harry in the role' of the detective who, in trying to run down a murderer, uncovers some secrets the locals would prefer stay hidden. And in the end, he sides with the killer, on the grounds that she was just getting "rough justice", that being the only kind available. Add in the California locations, and it's practically a Bogart movie.

Sudden Impact could be considered one of the earliest examples of what is now called "neo noir'", that is a film noir' set in the modern world as opposed to the 1930s-50s, and in color instead of black and white.

cheers

eon

385 Dancing along the light of day  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 4:29:52pm

re: #339 buzzsawmonkey

Whoops!
Thanks for fixing that.

386 wrenchwench  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 4:30:05pm

re: #381 Irish Rose

What?

failed sarc

Sling some more mud, damn it!

///

387 FurryOldGuyJeans  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 4:30:07pm

re: #369 DEZes

Excellent, Forbidden Planet broke alot of new ground.

Terminator, and T2. Especially the extended version of T2.

The Abyss.

2001: A Space Odyssey

Original Planet of the Apes, not the barfy remake. (*vomit*)

When Worlds Collide

Conquest of Space

This Island Earth

388 avanti  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 4:30:09pm

re: #352 FurryOldGuyJeans

YOU think it's a waste of time, which shows how much crap you are willing to swallow.

And that's all I say on this.

That's why Obama won't release all of the stuff the right asks for, he likes you to spent time with your eye off the ball IMHO. He can only hope that Hannity does the Ayers/Wright manta in 2012 too.

389 callahan23  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 4:30:13pm

re: #361 FurryOldGuyJeans

Since we are on about SciFi TV series, how about SciFi movies that set the standard?

Forbidden Planet comes to mind.

Also Alien and Blade Runner set some very valuable standards.

390 LudwigVanQuixote  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 4:30:14pm

re: #361 FurryOldGuyJeans

Since we are on about SciFi TV series, how about SciFi movies that set the standard?

Forbidden Planet comes to mind.

And of course, forbidden Planet is awesome. It is the Tempest after all.

391 snowcrash  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 4:30:14pm

re: #373 Irish Rose
Haven't noticed.

392 Silvergirl  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 4:30:30pm

Speaking of movies, you Netflix fans might enjoy this peek into the operations.

393 jamgarr  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 4:30:44pm

re: #369 DEZes

Excellent, Forbidden Planet broke alot of new ground.


Except for that Tempest thing

394 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 4:30:53pm

re: #373 Irish Rose

Is it just me, or is there more than the usual amount of mudslinging on the blog tonight?

Well, ... we could talk about suntanning ...

/... that is, if I wanted to die fast and dreadfully ... :D

395 LudwigVanQuixote  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 4:30:57pm

And how could I forget 2001!

396 solomonpanting  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 4:31:00pm

re: #371 avanti

To be honest, that's a bit unfair, one or two posters use it daily without a word of protest, but I will agree to stop and hope that others will to.

I think you missed my point. And that is I'm not demanding an end to the use of the F word, rather, it's not SOP.

397 [deleted]  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 4:31:05pm
398 3 wood  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 4:31:29pm

re: #317 avanti

Sorry about the F word, I though that was SOP on LGF, but I'll stop.

Just speaking for myself, you have never seen me curse here and you never will.

399 Learned Mother of Zion  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 4:31:54pm

Lizards, I have a problem.

I checked the stats for my website (not the Vicious Babushka blog, but my other website which hosts the Zionist Mall and history site) and I am getting about 30-40 hits a day from some porn site, probably hotlinking a graphic on my server. (No I do not have any porn on my server)

Is there any way I can find out from my stats which graphic they are hotlinking, without actually going to that link? Or is there some brave Lizard who will volunteer to investigate?

400 Fenway_Nation  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 4:31:54pm

Oh come on...nobody mentioned Blade Runner?

401 FurryOldGuyJeans  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 4:32:05pm

re: #379 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Have you seen Scarlet Earrings, with Dietrich and Ray Milland?

/and if you ask who I mean by "Dietrich", I'm gonna ... !

No (adds to Netflix queue if on DVD).

I hope you are referring to Marlene. She was good in Judgment at Nuremberg

402 formercorpsman  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 4:32:16pm

I curse every once in a while.

Guilty.

403 avanti  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 4:32:20pm

re: #394 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Well, ... we could talk about suntanning ...

/... that is, if I wanted to die fast and dreadfully ... :D

Yes, but you'll make a handsome corpse with that copper glow.

404 3 wood  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 4:32:29pm

re: #371 avanti

To be honest, that's a bit unfair, one or two posters use it daily without a word of protest, but I will agree to stop and hope that others will to.

One or two = SOP?

405 [deleted]  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 4:32:37pm
406 Killgore Trout  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 4:32:44pm

re: #373 Irish Rose

Is it just me, or is there more than the usual amount of mudslinging on the blog tonight?

People were squabbling this morning but it seem ok now. I've seen worse.

407 TheMatrix31  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 4:33:18pm

I curse too much. Oh well.

408 DEZes  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 4:34:14pm

re: #389 callahan23

Also Alien and Blade Runner set some very valuable standards.

Ah, very good movies, I was thinking close encounters.
Your picks are more worthy.

409 Killgore Trout  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 4:34:33pm

re: #402 formercorpsman

I try to keep my cursing until after happy hour. 26 minutes and counting...

410 avanti  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 4:34:34pm

re: #398 3 wood

Just speaking for myself, you have never seen me curse here and you never will.

Good, I'll join you on the no F bomb list. If I slip up, call me on it please.

412 FurryOldGuyJeans  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 4:36:22pm

re: #388 avanti

Dude, get a clue. I am not the one obsessing about the transcripts, you are. I am just commenting on your very obvious attempts at deflection.

413 Scion9  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 4:36:35pm

re: #400 Fenway_Nation

Oh come on...nobody mentioned Blade Runner?

I don't remember where I read it, but apparently PKD ranted and raved about all the crazy changes that Scott was doing to his story and how it would be nothing like what he had imagined. Upon seeing the workprint of the film, he was extremely pleased, saying that it was just like what he had imagined when writing it.

414 Killgore Trout  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 4:37:24pm

I feel bad for the kids down the street. Terrible, mean and dysfunctional family. They never laugh when they're out playing, just screaming and crying.

415 avanti  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 4:37:32pm

re: #404 3 wood

One or two = SOP?

Well, one that uses it more in a day, then I do in a few weeks. No excuse for me to pick up the habit though, and I apologize yet again.

416 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 4:37:59pm

re: #401 FurryOldGuyJeans

No (adds to Netflix queue if on DVD).

I hope you are referring to Marlene. She was good in Judgment at Nuremberg

OF COURSE I MEAN MARL*whacks self*
Sorry, yes, I do mean the world's sexiest grandmother.

Yes, she made a good "daughter of the military" in that movie. I do an unmanly swoon when she does a double-take at Tracy, then gently asks if he'd like more coffee.

417 DEZes  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 4:38:00pm

re: #400 Fenway_Nation

Oh come on...nobody mentioned Blade Runner?

Callahan did in post 389.

418 avanti  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 4:38:11pm

re: #414 Killgore Trout

I feel bad for the kids down the street. Terrible, mean and dysfunctional family. They never laugh when they're out playing, just screaming and crying.

Torchwood !!

419 FurryOldGuyJeans  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 4:38:21pm

re: #400 Fenway_Nation

Oh come on...nobody mentioned Blade Runner?

I am semi-surprised no one has mentioned Metropolis.

420 albusteve  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 4:38:43pm

re: #406 Killgore Trout

People were squabbling this morning but it seem ok now. I've seen worse.

Defenders of the Truth never rest amigo...THY WILL BE DONE!

421 DEZes  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 4:39:30pm

re: #419 FurryOldGuyJeans

I am semi-surprised no one has mentioned Metropolis.

I have to admit never seeing it, but I know how to fix that. ;)

422 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 4:39:46pm

re: #414 Killgore Trout

I feel bad for the kids down the street. Terrible, mean and dysfunctional family. They never laugh when they're out playing, just screaming and crying.

BTW, how's the lady next door doing?

423 Fenway_Nation  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 4:39:57pm

re: #417 DEZes

OK...so I'm only lagging by 11 posts or so

424 Silvergirl  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 4:40:40pm

re: #411 Killgore Trout

Strap-on mini helicopters the latest way to travel


[Video]

Now we're getting somewhere.

Though they do bring to mind a couple of old wringer washers.

425 FurryOldGuyJeans  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 4:41:19pm

re: #416 pre-Boomer Marine brat

OF COURSE I MEAN MARL*whacks self*
Sorry, yes, I do mean the world's sexiest grandmother.

Yes, she made a good "daughter of the military" in that movie. I do an unmanly swoon when she does a double-take at Tracy, then gently asks if he'd like more coffee.

Ku-el! Both Blonde Venus and Golden Earrings are at the local library, in a 2 disc collection of a couple of other Deitrich films. Queued!

426 formercorpsman  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 4:41:22pm

re: #409 Killgore Trout

I'm really bad when I work on the cars and stuff.

427 jamgarr  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 4:41:29pm

Logan's Run
Barbarella

428 ggt  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 4:41:42pm

Hello Lizards!

I just got one of those "Johns Hopkins Cancer Updates" in my email inbox. It has become such an urban myth that Johns Hopkins has devoted an webpage to it.

I can't believe what other people will believe!

ugh

429 callahan23  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 4:42:07pm

re: #408 DEZes

Ah, very good movies, I was thinking close encounters.
Your picks are more worthy.

Both Alien and Blade Runner set new standards for designs and optics. Alien was very strong in the suspense department and Blade Runner described pretty good a future society with a new twist on the 'I Robot' plot of Asimov. Though the idea is typical Philip K. Dick.

430 albusteve  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 4:42:08pm

fuck

431 LudwigVanQuixote  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 4:42:14pm

OK WORST sci fi movies you ever had the misfortune of seeing...

For me it was Mission to Mars which was touted as being advised by NASA and presented itself as something that would be hard sf. It delivered gravity defying m&m DNA strands that the characters identified as human, by eye, and with less than 50 base pairs to look at. It delivered momentum NOT being conserved. It delivered incorrect orbital mechanics. It delivered a truly mind numbingly bad script and mind numbingly bad acting - and it wrapped up with a dopey New Agey Hollywood ending. When I saw it in the theatre, people claped at one of the tear jerk moments when one of the astronauts died. Ironically, he could have been saved if only momentum were conserved in space...

My second on the list is The Core. It is equally mind numbingly stupid, however, there is a certain goofiness to it that allows me to laugh at it more than hate it.

My third most hated Sci Fi is Starship Troopers for taking one of the best sci fi books ever written and turing it into a farce with a message completely antithetical to the original story. The book was one of the best discussions of the philosophy and need for a military I have ever seen. Of course Verhoven hates all things military and had to make a sort of Eurotrash left wing take on it - in addition to completely taking away from the more interesting sci fi aspects of the novel by making the military stupid and under equipped.

432 Dancing along the light of day  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 4:42:28pm

Best elective class I took in college was "a history of fantasy, sci-fi and horror films". It was a ton of fun!
May I mention the original Godzilla?

433 DEZes  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 4:42:29pm

re: #427 jamgarr

Logan's Run
Barbarella

You like naked chicks, doncha. ;)

434 reine.de.tout  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 4:42:52pm

re: #430 albusteve

fuck

Any reason in particular, or just in general?

435 formercorpsman  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 4:43:04pm

re: #430 albusteve

I see your fuck, and raise you...

436 FurryOldGuyJeans  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 4:43:48pm

re: #421 DEZes

I have to admit never seeing it, but I know how to fix that. ;)

Fair Warning: Metropolis is a silent movie. But you will see one of the inspirations for Star Wars.

437 eon  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 4:44:05pm

re: #358 LudwigVanQuixote

I wasn't quizing with a right or wrong, but, you have proven that you can hang with us sci fi folks with great prowess. Is you nic a Greg Bear ref?

If you liked B5, and I LOVE it, then you will truly love the new BSG for it's hard sci fi aspects. Also the new BSG is the only science fiction that I have seen where the space military looks, acts and reacts like a real military. BSG is dark, gritty and all to real about the human condition. It also maintains consistent rules for it's physics, and because of that, it has tactics to explore and the ability to show a really great commander coming up with a really great plan - and conversely, bad commanders screwing up and getting people killed.

Vanity prods me to say "yes"on my nic (being a Bear fan, notably Strength of Stones and, yes, Eon), but honesty compels me to say "no"; in fact, it's an accident. Early in my online 'life', while signing up at the old Strategypage.com, I was signing in and mistakenly thought I was choosing a password as per the SOP at ATT/Yahoo. Having just read a book on the history of the James Bond films, made by Eon Productions, I thought "eonprod" would make an easy-to-remember password. I typed in "e-o-n"- and then accidentally hit the ENTER key with my right pinkie. "eon" was born, and I've used it ever since. (I don't believe in messing with fate.)

Just your description of the new BG is getting my interest up. My favorite modern SF writers are David Weber, Steve White, Eric Flint, and John Ringo. Weber's Honorverse and White's Starfire series are almost textbooks on how to realistically fight space battles. Weber & Ringo's Empire of Man aka Prince Roger series is another good example.

/for the record, the Royal Manticoran Navy (Weber) would eat most TV and movie "Star Fleets" for lunch.

cheers

eon

438 jamgarr  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 4:44:11pm

re: #433 DEZes

You like naked chicks, doncha. ;)


Some of them

439 snowcrash  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 4:44:21pm

Wow, I've missed a lot of movies! lol

440 FurryOldGuyJeans  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 4:44:26pm

re: #432 Floral Giraffe

Best elective class I took in college was "a history of fantasy, sci-fi and horror films". It was a ton of fun!
May I mention the original Godzilla?

Japanese version, sod the Raymond Burr abortion!

441 DEZes  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 4:44:31pm

re: #429 callahan23

Both Alien and Blade Runner set new standards for designs and optics. Alien was very strong in the suspense department and Blade Runner described pretty good a future society with a new twist on the 'I Robot' plot of Asimov. Though the idea is typical Philip K. Dick.

I have Blade Runner in my collection as well as all the alien movies.
Aliens (AKA alien 2) was one of the best fun movies of all time.
Yes I am twisted. ;)

442 Charles Johnson  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 4:44:33pm

re: #399 Alouette

Lizards, I have a problem.

I checked the stats for my website (not the Vicious Babushka blog, but my other website which hosts the Zionist Mall and history site) and I am getting about 30-40 hits a day from some porn site, probably hotlinking a graphic on my server. (No I do not have any porn on my server)

Is there any way I can find out from my stats which graphic they are hotlinking, without actually going to that link? Or is there some brave Lizard who will volunteer to investigate?

That's probably referrer spam (the stupidest form of spam), not a hotlink. Not much you can do about it...

443 formercorpsman  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 4:44:37pm

re: #435 formercorpsman

I'm done. I actually have made a conscious effort not to do that anymore.

Steve, my mom said I am not allowed to play anymore.

444 Silvergirl  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 4:44:43pm

re: #427 jamgarr

Logan's Run
Barbarella

John Phillip Law (RIP). Ahh.

I couldn't believe he was in that horrible Space Mutiny flick featured on MST3K.

445 Dancing along the light of day  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 4:44:45pm

re: #428 ggt

That is very sad, to see a great institution have to waste their resources refuting junk email.

446 ggt  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 4:44:52pm

re: #431 LudwigVanQuixote

OK WORST sci fi movies you ever had the misfortune of seeing...

For me it was Mission to Mars which was touted as being advised by NASA and presented itself as something that would be hard sf. It delivered gravity defying m&m DNA strands that the characters identified as human, by eye, and with less than 50 base pairs to look at. It delivered momentum NOT being conserved. It delivered incorrect orbital mechanics. It delivered a truly mind numbingly bad script and mind numbingly bad acting - and it wrapped up with a dopey New Agey Hollywood ending. When I saw it in the theatre, people claped at one of the tear jerk moments when one of the astronauts died. Ironically, he could have been saved if only momentum were conserved in space...

My second on the list is The Core. It is equally mind numbingly stupid, however, there is a certain goofiness to it that allows me to laugh at it more than hate it.

My third most hated Sci Fi is Starship Troopers for taking one of the best sci fi books ever written and turing it into a farce with a message completely antithetical to the original story. The book was one of the best discussions of the philosophy and need for a military I have ever seen. Of course Verhoven hates all things military and had to make a sort of Eurotrash left wing take on it - in addition to completely taking away from the more interesting sci fi aspects of the novel by making the military stupid and under equipped.

I'm with you on Starship Troopers. WTF@CK!

447 Killgore Trout  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 4:45:04pm

re: #422 pre-Boomer Marine brat

She seem to be doing much better. There was a flurry of activity of there fro a while with workmen fix up her house( I assume to accommodate her size), they added a handrail and wheelchair ramp to her front steps. People stop by every once in a while to check on her. They sometimes leave balloons on her door. The put a toy monkey hanging from her little tree in the front yard. They're doing a really nice job.

448 LudwigVanQuixote  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 4:45:29pm

re: #427 jamgarr

Logan's Run
Barbarella

Well, I think those movies fit with my Jane Seymour and Princess Leia revelations...

Young Jenny Agutter was incredibly fine...

449 sattv4u2  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 4:45:39pm

re: #442 Charles

That's probably referrer spam (the stupidest form of spam), not a hotlink. Not much you can do about it...

Does Monty Python know you're dissing them!?!?!

//

450 FurryOldGuyJeans  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 4:45:46pm

re: #431 LudwigVanQuixote

Yeah, Starship Troopers sure was an abortion and a half.

451 FurryOldGuyJeans  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 4:46:20pm

re: #449 sattv4u2

Does Monty Python know you're dissing them!?!?!

//

Are you a lumberjack and ok?

452 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 4:46:24pm

re: #425 FurryOldGuyJeans

Ku-el! Both Blonde Venus and Golden Earrings are at the local library, in a 2 disc collection of a couple of other Deitrich films. Queued!

Dietrich's gypsy might be like olives -- acquired taste. If so at first, hang very tough until the later scenes.

453 LudwigVanQuixote  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 4:46:55pm

re: #437 eon

Vanity prods me to say "yes"on my nic (being a Bear fan, notably Strength of Stones and, yes, Eon), but honesty compels me to say "no"; in fact, it's an accident. Early in my online 'life', while signing up at the old Strategypage.com, I was signing in and mistakenly thought I was choosing a password as per the SOP at ATT/Yahoo. Having just read a book on the history of the James Bond films, made by Eon Productions, I thought "eonprod" would make an easy-to-remember password. I typed in "e-o-n"- and then accidentally hit the ENTER key with my right pinkie. "eon" was born, and I've used it ever since. (I don't believe in messing with fate.)

Just your description of the new BG is getting my interest up. My favorite modern SF writers are David Weber, Steve White, Eric Flint, and John Ringo. Weber's Honorverse and White's Starfire series are almost textbooks on how to realistically fight space battles. Weber & Ringo's Empire of Man aka Prince Roger series is another good example.

/for the record, the Royal Manticoran Navy (Weber) would eat most TV and movie "Star Fleets" for lunch.

cheers

eon

OK, if you like Weber and White and David Drake et al... you will absofuckinglutely love the new BSG.

454 Dancing along the light of day  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 4:47:03pm

re: #440 FurryOldGuyJeans

I love it when English comes out of the actors mouths, moving in Japanese!

455 [deleted]  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 4:47:15pm
456 solomonpanting  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 4:47:22pm

re: #399 Alouette

Lizards, I have a problem.

I checked the stats for my website (not the Vicious Babushka blog, but my other website which hosts the Zionist Mall and history site) and I am getting about 30-40 hits a day from some porn site, probably hotlinking a graphic on my server. (No I do not have any porn on my server)

Is there any way I can find out from my stats which graphic they are hotlinking, without actually going to that link? Or is there some brave Lizard who will volunteer to investigate?

Sorry to hear that.
Is it foreign porn or porn in the USA?

457 Irish Rose  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 4:47:24pm

I'd like to cut down on my use of the word, but I can't.
I'm Irish... we're hardwired to throw "f" bombs.

458 jamgarr  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 4:47:32pm

For me Starship Troopers was one of those so bad it's good things - like Independence Day

459 FurryOldGuyJeans  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 4:47:51pm

re: #452 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Dietrich's gypsy might be like olives -- acquired taste. If so at first, hang very tough until the later scenes.

I love older movies that actually have plots and acting in them. Action films, especially with CGI up the wazoo, bore me to tears.

460 Fenway_Nation  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 4:48:09pm

re: #427 jamgarr

In the movie version of Logans Run, all the people are forced to evacuate their city of Crystal Spires And Togas, when the Evil AI that ran it is defeated. Despite the evil, it was a beautiful and decadent Utopia where no one had wants or needed to know a valuable skill or trade. The downside was it killed them at 30. To put it plainly, these humans are entirely dependent on machines to provide and don't even know what the Sun is. The Sun! Saying 90% of the thousands of refugees died in the winter would be optimistic, as they knew nothing about wilderness survival and had only one senile elder human to teach them how to survive.

461 ggt  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 4:48:19pm

re: #446 ggt

I'm with you on Starship Troopers. WTF@CK!

I thought their rebuttal was good. Anyone who is really considering the whacko approach will at least be referred to sources for good information.

Being a vegetarian and having practiced yoga for over a decade, I get exposed to a lot of this type of info and people. What suprises me is the people that send me email sometimes. They aren't vegan/yoga types.

462 reine.de.tout  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 4:48:28pm

Who's ready to laugh?
I posted this one morning a week or two ago, but I don't thank more than one or two people saw it. This in my opinion is one of the funniest things I've ever seen, although I will admit I was ashamed of myself for laughing so hard.

Cajun OnStar call - the OnStar guy deserves an award of some sort for staying as calm and professional as he did through this:

463 Sharmuta  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 4:48:31pm

re: #457 Irish Rose

I'd like to cut down on my use of the word, but I can't.
I'm Irish... we're hardwired to throw "f" bombs.

That's gotta be fuckin' rough.

464 tradewind  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 4:49:00pm

re: #431 LudwigVanQuixote

Did you catch the premier of that miniseries ' Defying Gravity '?

465 yochanan  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 4:49:03pm

re: #382 LudwigVanQuixote

shake it annette

466 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 4:49:11pm

re: #447 Killgore Trout

She seem to be doing much better. There was a flurry of activity of there fro a while with workmen fix up her house( I assume to accommodate her size), they added a handrail and wheelchair ramp to her front steps. People stop by every once in a while to check on her. They sometimes leave balloons on her door. The put a toy monkey hanging from her little tree in the front yard. They're doing a really nice job.

GREAT!
So she is finally networked in with people who'll look after her?!
*grin*

467 albusteve  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 4:50:59pm

I am a devout fuckist...but I refrain from using the fuck word because I need to work on my intellectual image...I don't want to sound like a no kooth fucking idiot

468 jamgarr  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 4:51:11pm

re: #460 Fenway_Nation


But they wore pastel see-thru hankies and had a cool robot!

469 FurryOldGuyJeans  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 4:51:39pm

re: #463 Sharmuta

That's gotta be fuckin' rough.

What a fuckin' shame such things can be so shittin' hard.

470 DEZes  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 4:51:54pm

re: #436 FurryOldGuyJeans

Fair Warning: Metropolis is a silent movie. But you will see one of the inspirations for Star Wars.

If memory serves, it was filmed in 1929.

471 reine.de.tout  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 4:52:18pm

re: #447 Killgore Trout

She seem to be doing much better. There was a flurry of activity of there fro a while with workmen fix up her house( I assume to accommodate her size), they added a handrail and wheelchair ramp to her front steps. People stop by every once in a while to check on her. They sometimes leave balloons on her door. The put a toy monkey hanging from her little tree in the front yard. They're doing a really nice job.

and these are the people you contacted on her behalf?

Let me say that again for those who are still upset at the terminology you used in the very first post I recall about your neighbor . . .


These people helping her are the folks YOU contacted on behalf your neighbor?

472 Learned Mother of Zion  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 4:52:40pm

re: #442 Charles

That's probably referrer spam (the stupidest form of spam), not a hotlink. Not much you can do about it...

I get referrer spam, but this particular link seems to be hotlinking a graphic.

I checked my image server requests and compared the graphic files requested, and found some old Photoshop spoofs I made years ago (and posted on Photoshop blogs like Fark) are being requested. I couldn't tell exactly which files, but by process of elimination identified the most likely culprits, and removed them from my server.

That may not stop the hotlinking, especially if it's on some blog, but at least they will get a red "x" not a file that is hosted on my server.

A while ago, I found out that some asshole on Stormfront was hotlinking one of my graphics for an avatar, and I pwn3d him with this swap.

473 lawhawk  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 4:52:42pm

re: #450 FurryOldGuyJeans

Yeah, Starship Troopers sure was an abortion and a half.

And they made two sequels. I kid you not.

474 ggt  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 4:52:43pm

re: #459 FurryOldGuyJeans

I love older movies that actually have plots and acting in them. Action films, especially with CGI up the wazoo, bore me to tears.

I was forced to sit thru Watchmen with my kid on IMAX. Is it just me or are more and more movies using what I call the "video game technique". Shifting from scene-to-scene without and apparent connection between them?

The viewer is left to figure out why and how the characters went from one location to another half-way across the globe and acquired thousands of dollars worth of equipment and cool new clothes?

It reminds me of the one episode of Power Rangers I watched while babysitting a neighbor kid years ago.

475 albusteve  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 4:53:57pm

I thought Toy Story was awsome...

476 ggt  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 4:54:03pm

re: #461 ggt

I thought their rebuttal was good. Anyone who is really considering the whacko approach will at least be referred to sources for good information.

Being a vegetarian and having practiced yoga for over a decade, I get exposed to a lot of this type of info and people. What suprises me is the people that send me email sometimes. They aren't vegan/yoga types.

I don't know what happened there. My apologizes to the Lizard to whom I was trying to reply. I think I'll only make it worse if I try to fix it.

sorry

477 BlueRoses  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 4:54:31pm

re: #114 Shug

How do you know how many updings you have?

478 reine.de.tout  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 4:54:40pm

re: #472 Alouette

. . .

A while ago, I found out that some asshole on Stormfront was hotlinking one of my graphics for an avatar, and I pwn3d him with this swap.

heh-heh.
nice.

479 eon  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 4:54:50pm

re: #419 FurryOldGuyJeans

I am semi-surprised no one has mentioned Metropolis.

Same here. Not to mention Things to Come, Destination Moon, the Quatermass films, and the lesser-known but great Kronos and The Monolith Monsters.

All of the picks I've seen were good, if not great. (I must admit being disappointed by both the movie and TV versions of Logan's Run, being a fan of the original novel and its sequels.) My vote for one of the more recent genuinely great, and occasionally downright intentionally hilarious, science fantasy films is Luc Besson's The Fifth Element; I admit you really have to be a Metal Hurlant/ Heavy Metal (magazine, not music) fan to appreciate it.

cheers

eon

480 DEZes  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 4:55:10pm

re: #477 BlueRoses

How do you know how many updings you have?

Left click your avatar.

481 Killgore Trout  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 4:55:35pm

re: #471 reine.de.tout

Yup, It took a few calls. Most charities I contacted wanted me to persuade her to contact them. I finally found someone who was willing to contact her with getting me involved. They got to work really quick too. Workmen started showing up about 2-3 week later.

482 LudwigVanQuixote  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 4:55:37pm

re: #419 FurryOldGuyJeans

I am semi-surprised no one has mentioned Metropolis.

You are absolutely right.

If you want to go way back and talk about what set standards, you must include the old serials for Flash Gordon and Buck Rogers also.

483 FurryOldGuyJeans  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 4:55:49pm

re: #470 DEZes

If memory serves, it was filmed in 1929.

1927. Part of the great German Expressionist movement in films at the time. The Cabinet of Dr. Caligari (1920) is a good example, also.

484 jamgarr  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 4:56:29pm

re: #474 ggt

I was forced to sit thru Watchmen with my kid on IMAX. Is it just me or are more and more movies using what I call the "video game technique". Shifting from scene-to-scene without and apparent connection between them?

The viewer is left to figure out why and how the characters went from one location to another half-way across the globe and acquired thousands of dollars worth of equipment and cool new clothes?

It reminds me of the one episode of Power Rangers I watched while babysitting a neighbor kid years ago.


One thing I've noticed (Transformers is a good example) is that the special effects are speeded up. I have a hard time distinguishing one CG thing from another when it's that fast. The kids with all their video game experience - not so much.

485 reine.de.tout  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 4:56:32pm

re: #481 Killgore Trout

Yup, It took a few calls. Most charities I contacted wanted me to persuade her to contact them. I finally found someone who was willing to contact her with getting me involved. They got to work really quick too. Workmen started showing up about 2-3 week later.

Good for you, Killgore.
Well done.

486 Scion9  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 4:56:34pm

re: #429 callahan23

I love everything about Dick. Not so much when people overhear me say that not knowing I'm talking about an author though...

I had heard about a year back they were adapting The Man in the High Castle, but haven't seen anything materialize.

487 DEZes  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 4:56:45pm

re: #483 FurryOldGuyJeans

1927. Part of the great German Expressionist movement in films at the time. The Cabinet of Dr. Caligari (1920) is a good example, also.

My memory needs an upgrade. ;)

488 LudwigVanQuixote  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 4:56:52pm

re: #479 eon

Same here. Not to mention Things to Come, Destination Moon, the Quatermass films, and the lesser-known but great Kronos and The Monolith Monsters.

All of the picks I've seen were good, if not great. (I must admit being disappointed by both the movie and TV versions of Logan's Run, being a fan of the original novel and its sequels.) My vote for one of the more recent genuinely great, and occasionally downright intentionally hilarious, science fantasy films is Luc Besson's The Fifth Element; I admit you really have to be a Metal Hurlant/ Heavy Metal (magazine, not music) fan to appreciate it.

cheers

eon

I lived 5th element and I learned to draw as a boy from Heavy Metal magazine...

And because I must now say it...

IT'S MY LOCH NAR!!!

489 jamgarr  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 4:57:05pm

re: #477 BlueRoses

How do you know how many updings you have?

Take off your pants

490 Sharmuta  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 4:57:12pm

re: #481 Killgore Trout

Yup, It took a few calls. Most charities I contacted wanted me to persuade her to contact them. I finally found someone who was willing to contact her with getting me involved. They got to work really quick too. Workmen started showing up about 2-3 week later.

I know you took a lot of shit because you didn't want to get involved, but you actually did get involved by finding a program to help her. That's more than a lot of people do for their neighbors. Bless you, Hon.

491 albusteve  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 4:57:26pm

re: #481 Killgore Trout

Yup, It took a few calls. Most charities I contacted wanted me to persuade her to contact them. I finally found someone who was willing to contact her with getting me involved. They got to work really quick too. Workmen started showing up about 2-3 week later.

a fine story...you get a short reprieve

492 FurryOldGuyJeans  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 4:57:35pm

re: #487 DEZes

My memory needs an upgrade. ;)

Order a second set, I'm in need as well. ;)

493 ggt  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 4:57:50pm

re: #486 Scion9

I love everything about Dick. Not so much when people overhear me say that not knowing I'm talking about an author though...

I had heard about a year back they were adapting The Man in the High Castle, but haven't seen anything materialize.

I like dick.

494 BlueRoses  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 4:57:54pm

re: #480 DEZes

Thanks :)

495 jamgarr  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 4:57:56pm

re: #477 BlueRoses

How do you know how many updings you have?


Sorry - don't know you and that may have been over the line

496 sattv4u2  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 4:58:18pm

re: #491 albusteve

a fine story...you get a short reprieve

How do you know the size of his repieve? Is he posting sans pants again?

497 [deleted]  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 4:58:28pm
498 Killgore Trout  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 4:58:55pm

re: #491 albusteve

Heh.

499 FurryOldGuyJeans  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 4:59:10pm

re: #479 eon

Same here. Not to mention Things to Come, Destination Moon, the Quatermass films, and the lesser-known but great Kronos and The Monolith Monsters.

All of the picks I've seen were good, if not great. (I must admit being disappointed by both the movie and TV versions of Logan's Run, being a fan of the original novel and its sequels.) My vote for one of the more recent genuinely great, and occasionally downright intentionally hilarious, science fantasy films is Luc Besson's The Fifth Element; I admit you really have to be a Metal Hurlant/ Heavy Metal (magazine, not music) fan to appreciate it.

cheers

eon

Maybe it was the print they had for the DVD I have, but Things to Come was bad, bad, bad, bad, B. A. D. As in HORRIBLE.

Just my IMNHO. ;)

500 formercorpsman  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 4:59:15pm

I'm out. Have a good night.

501 wrenchwench  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 4:59:29pm

re: #488 LudwigVanQuixote

I lived 5th element

Oooh, lucky guy...

502 [deleted]  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 4:59:44pm
503 BlueRoses  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 4:59:48pm

re: #489 jamgarr

Take off your pants

blattt blat!!!

Course you maybe onto something there :)

504 mksmash  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 5:00:12pm

re: #15 Dianna

I miss Barnabas Collins.

I remember that! After you missed him he pulled the arrow out and killed you.

505 LudwigVanQuixote  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 5:00:17pm

re: #474 ggt

I was forced to sit thru Watchmen with my kid on IMAX. Is it just me or are more and more movies using what I call the "video game technique". Shifting from scene-to-scene without and apparent connection between them?

The viewer is left to figure out why and how the characters went from one location to another half-way across the globe and acquired thousands of dollars worth of equipment and cool new clothes?

It reminds me of the one episode of Power Rangers I watched while babysitting a neighbor kid years ago.

Watchman is a very special case. I think that if you loved the comic, you will love the movie, and if you hadn't read the comic, the movie would not make as much sense. The scenes in it actually follow frames from the comic very closely in many places.

There were of course changes from the graphic novel, however, the people who made the movie set out to make the graphic novel into a movie and stay loyal to it.

506 Fenway_Nation  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 5:00:36pm

re: #489 jamgarr

What if we showed up pants-less?

507 LudwigVanQuixote  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 5:00:48pm

re: #501 wrenchwench

Oooh, lucky guy...

I wish I could type better.

508 sattv4u2  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 5:00:50pm

re: #500 formercorpsman

I'm out. Have a good night.

oh great. Now the pressures on me to "have a good night". What if i'm not up to having a good night, or i was planning on having a shitty one? What then? Do I dissapoint FORMER? Do I stay true to myself?

GGGAAAHHH!!!

509 ArmyWife  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 5:00:51pm

Evening crew! I'm late, and it's been stated, but the voice was GREAT. The look? Not so much.

510 FurryOldGuyJeans  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 5:01:04pm

re: #497 buzzsawmonkey

Camera angles actually suffered terribly when sound came in. The camera unfettered by primitive sound technology could go anywhere, and did--the camerawork in a film like Sunrise is amazing.

Sound ended up creating extremely stagebound films. One of the first sound films to break that mold was Rouben Mamoulian's Applause, which made a lot of use of montage--and Helen Morgan is excellent in it too.

It just took a few decades for the technology to improve enough to allow the camera work good cinematographers employ.

511 albusteve  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 5:01:14pm

re: #498 Killgore Trout

Heh.

I could have called you a good Christian...but I'm friendly

512 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 5:01:35pm

re: #481 Killgore Trout

heh ... a couple of years ago, I was still new here, I paid you a compliment after you'd apologized to someone. That impression has solidified.

/just sayin' ... :D

513 LudwigVanQuixote  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 5:02:19pm

re: #464 tradewind

Did you catch the premier of that miniseries ' Defying Gravity '?

No Ididn't. I haven't had much cahnce to watch TV lately. I spend all of my time either in the lab, with my lizard queen or writing papers, or writing here.

514 [deleted]  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 5:02:35pm
515 Silvergirl  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 5:02:55pm

re: #500 formercorpsman

I'm out. Have a good night.

Same here. I'm going to try to make it back to the overnight thread.

Thanks for the fun, one and all!

516 sattv4u2  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 5:03:23pm

re: #513 LudwigVanQuixote

No Ididn't. I haven't had much cahnce to watch TV lately. I spend all of my time either in the lab, with my lizard queen or writing papers, or writing here.

I once wrote a paper
It never wrote back
Scarred me deeply!

517 ArmyWife  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 5:03:34pm

re: #512 pre-Boomer Marine brat

What is this? Suck up to KT day? Sheessshhh.

///he is a good person, even when we disagree. Which is a lot. ;)

518 BlueCanuck  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 5:03:43pm

re: #506 Fenway_Nation

What if we showed up pants-less?

Surfer Doc? Is that you?

/LNDT running gag...

519 ggt  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 5:04:22pm

Mold Spores are very high for my area right now. I found this nifty site for finding out allergen levels for any area of the country.

520 FurryOldGuyJeans  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 5:05:02pm

re: #519 ggt

Mold Spores are very high for my area right now. I found this nifty site for finding out allergen levels for any area of the country.

Mmmm, lunch! ;)

521 albusteve  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 5:05:43pm

re: #517 ArmyWife

What is this? Suck up to KT day? Sheessshhh.

///he is a good person, even when we disagree. Which is a lot. ;)

we are all on the same path

522 wrenchwench  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 5:05:48pm

re: #513 LudwigVanQuixote

No Ididn't. I haven't had much cahnce to watch TV lately. I spend all of my time either in the lab, with my lizard queen or writing papers, or writing here.

Busy guy. Don't worry about your typing. Might cut into your posting time. Seriously. Sounds like you have well-ordered priorities.

523 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 5:05:56pm

re: #517 ArmyWife

What is this? Suck up to KT day? Sheessshhh.

///he is a good person, even when we disagree. Which is a lot. ;)

:D ... not sucking up ... he got a wee bit frosted way back then ... maybe I'm just giving him a friendly (and, in this thread's context) an admiring tweak.

524 itellu3times  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 5:06:28pm

re: #474 ggt

I was forced to sit thru Watchmen with my kid on IMAX. Is it just me or are more and more movies using what I call the "video game technique". Shifting from scene-to-scene without and apparent connection between them?

Yes.

I call it "attention deficit cinema".

For extra credit, hold the scenes just a little too briefly to let the viewer focus on, or even locate, the main character.

525 ArmyWife  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 5:06:39pm

re: #521 albusteve

ok. But where are we going?

526 DEZes  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 5:07:28pm

re: #525 ArmyWife

ok. But where are we going?

We're off to see the wizard...

527 FurryOldGuyJeans  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 5:07:28pm

Any lizards have an opinion about Protocols of Zion?

528 albusteve  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 5:07:35pm

re: #525 ArmyWife

ok. But where are we going?

only Charles knows that...

529 Killgore Trout  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 5:07:35pm

Crazy Pam got a gig writing for News Max. Her first article...

Obama Birth Certificate Issue Causing Needless Distractions


There might be something more sinister at work here, both specifically in the release of the spurious Kenya birth certificate and generally in the persistence of this issue. Perhaps all the documentation on Obama's birth certificate and citizenship is in order.
...
In what could be considered a psyop on the American people, the birth certificate issue is being used to smear the Republicans in general as "birthers," conspiracy nuts who have given themselves over to right-wing nuttery. Any mention of this issue inspires in many the same revulsion as being diagnosed with the clap did in the '50s. And the arrogance and fear on the right of being tainted by this issue has created such dissension and infighting that we're eating our young and the left is positively giddy.

We, the American people, are not the enemy here, we are not the guilty party. The media should stop blaming the victim. Remember: conservatives are not responsible for the birth certificate issue at all.

530 ArmyWife  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 5:08:07pm

re: #523 pre-Boomer Marine brat

I'm really teasing. I like KT! He is one of my favorites here. But don't tell him.

531 Sharmuta  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 5:08:45pm

re: #529 Killgore Trout

UNBELIEVABLE!

532 jcm  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 5:08:48pm

YEEEHAAA!

533 LudwigVanQuixote  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 5:08:52pm

re: #514 buzzsawmonkey

I believe "Watchmen" laid the groundwork--unwittingly--for the Troofer movement. Note that there is an intentional disaster in the movie that kills millions in New York for the purpose of "bringing the society together"; it would not surprise me if the young geeks who spawned Trooferism were familiar with the comic, and were all too ready to believe that life had mirrored art.

I think that's unfair...

1) People were going on about all manner of conspiracies like that since long before Watchman. How many Lusitania "troofers" were there for instance.

2) Troofers came out before the movie did. The sort of person who read Watchmen back in the late eighties was the sort of person to be hip to alternative comics, well educated and frankly not the sort to become a troofer.

534 itellu3times  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 5:08:53pm

re: #464 tradewind

Did you catch the premier of that miniseries ' Defying Gravity '?

Saw the first few minutes and it seemed a little slow getting going ... did you see any more?

535 albusteve  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 5:09:58pm

re: #529 Killgore Trout

Crazy Pam got a gig writing for News Max. Her first article...

Obama Birth Certificate Issue Causing Needless Distractions

gosh...she didn't define the issue!...what's the issue again?...so many fucking issues

536 Irish Rose  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 5:10:54pm
We, the American people, are not the enemy here, we are not the guilty party. The media should stop blaming the victim. Remember: conservatives are not responsible for the birth certificate issue at all.

Put down the crack pipe, Pamela.

537 ArmyWife  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 5:10:54pm

re: #529 Killgore Trout

It's BRILLIANT. It there a little link you click on at the end of the bold part for ominous music?

Seriously, what have I done wrong that she gets writing gigs and TV gigs? Wait, I think I recall waaayyy back putting my finger on it, having it confirmed and then needing brain bleach.

538 ggt  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 5:11:08pm

re: #535 albusteve

gosh...she didn't define the issue!...what's the issue again?...so many fucking issues

I'm tired of f@cking issues. I want oreos.

Is Charles going to open the sekret bunker tonight?

539 Killgore Trout  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 5:11:12pm

re: #531 Sharmuta

She fails to mention her theories that Obama's father was really Malcolm X. She was spearheading the Nirth Cert thing and now she's blaming the left for it. I wonder if she's still selling those Nirth Certifikit t-shirts.

540 Noam Sayin'  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 5:11:23pm

re: #498 Killgore Trout

You've been making a lot of typos that I've never seen you do before.

Just sayin'

541 wrenchwench  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 5:11:26pm

re: #529 Killgore Trout

Any mention of this issue inspires in many the same revulsion as being diagnosed with the clap did in the '50s.

I'll bet that's first hand knowledge.

(ok, that's ruder than using the "f" word. But I'm ok with that.)

542 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 5:12:02pm

re: #529 Killgore Trout

Crazy Pam got a gig writing for News Max. Her first article...

Obama Birth Certificate Issue Causing Needless Distractions

"It was a dark and stormy night ..."

/with sincerest regret to Schultz and Snoopy

543 Irish Rose  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 5:12:20pm

re: #531 Sharmuta

UNBELIEVABLE!

Documentation-worthy.

544 ilzito guacamolito  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 5:12:28pm

'Clunker' Debunker
Gah! More money stolen or printed and wasted.

Honoring An America-Hater
The US and Israel have so very much to fear from this Administration.

Ramirez!

545 Scion9  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 5:12:37pm

re: #514 buzzsawmonkey

That may be true in that scenario, but I'm sure Moore got the basic idea for his story from the Reichstag Fire, which is still pretty well known 'false flag' operation even among the pop culture saturated youth.

Also, in the graphic novel, Ozymandias genetically engineers a Lovecraftian tentacled monster. The world powers believe it is an alien and unite against the new threat. There is no bomb.

546 ggt  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 5:13:00pm

re: #524 itellu3times

Yes.

I call it "attention deficit cinema".

For extra credit, hold the scenes just a little too briefly to let the viewer focus on, or even locate, the main character.

I like "attention deficit cinema". Good one!

547 [deleted]  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 5:13:11pm
548 Irish Rose  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 5:13:20pm

re: #539 Killgore Trout

She fails to mention her theories that Obama's father was really Malcolm X. She was spearheading the Nirth Cert thing and now she's blaming the left for it. I wonder if she's still selling those Nirth Certifikit t-shirts.

She's a victim, can't you see?

549 Killgore Trout  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 5:13:20pm

re: #540 Noam Sayin'

I haven't even started drinking yet. Ooh, it's 5! Beer time!

550 Sharmuta  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 5:13:28pm

re: #539 Killgore Trout

She fails to mention her theories that Obama's father was really Malcolm X. She was spearheading the Nirth Cert thing and now she's blaming the left for it. I wonder if she's still selling those Nirth Certifikit t-shirts.

She's spread the nonsense that the birth announcements were planted by the CIA! And now she's pinning this on the msm. Shameless!

551 Dancing along the light of day  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 5:13:58pm

re: #541 wrenchwench

LOL!
Almost spewed my soda!

552 DEZes  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 5:14:05pm

re: #549 Killgore Trout

I haven't even started drinking yet. Ooh, it's 5! Beer time!

West coaster.

553 Killgore Trout  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 5:14:13pm

re: #550 Sharmuta

Hmmm...I wonder if she's scrubbed her archive.

554 ArmyWife  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 5:14:57pm

re: #550 Sharmuta

NO way. Seriously? Planted 48 years ago? In that case, let me stand in awe of the organization and collaboration.

555 DEZes  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 5:15:02pm

re: #553 Killgore Trout

Hmmm...I wonder if she's scrubbed her archive.

Is that what the kids are calling it these days?

556 jcm  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 5:15:09pm

re: #549 Killgore Trout

I haven't even started drinking yet. Ooh, it's 5! Beer time!

MMM, Beer o'clock!

557 FurryOldGuyJeans  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 5:15:11pm

re: #550 Sharmuta

She's spread the nonsense that the birth announcements were planted by the CIA! And now she's pinning this on the msm. Shameless!

Both sides love to blame the other for the problems of their own creation.

558 Sharmuta  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 5:15:13pm

re: #553 Killgore Trout

Hmmm...I wonder if she's scrubbed her archive.

Of her detailed analysis that the released BC is a forgery? Doubtful.

559 albusteve  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 5:15:18pm

re: #532 jcm

YEEEHAAA!


maniacs...I love it!

560 [deleted]  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 5:15:21pm
561 David Simon  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 5:15:48pm

The great blue state of Illinois is doing its part to reflate the housing bubble:

The HOME START Tax Credit Advance Loan helps first time homebuyers take advantage of the $8,000 federal tax credit refund in advance to use as a down payment on their first home. However, the maximum loan amount under the HOME START Tax Credit Advance Loan program is 3.5 percent of the purchase price up to a maximum of $6,000.

Within the initial period, the homebuyer will file their tax return requesting the federal tax credit. This tax credit can be used to repay the tax advance loan. If the loan is not repaid by June 30, 2010, then the remaining loan amount becomes a ten year amortizing loan at 0.5% above the rate on the Home Start 30 Year Fixed Rate Loan.

In other words, the buyer can blow the six grand instead of using it to pay back his "assistance" loan -- and, of course, be further in debt.

[Link: www.ihda.org...]

562 jcm  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 5:16:14pm

re: #559 albusteve

maniacs...I love it!

How much $$$ in ammo does that quad .50 burn a second?

LOL!

563 Scion9  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 5:16:33pm

re: #547 buzzsawmonkey

I have no idea what "troof" theories might have attended the sinking of the Lusitania.

That the Lusitania was sunk by the Allies in order to ramp up hatred of the Germans in the USA. Likewise, FDR knew about Pearl Harbor ahead of time and did nothing about it.

Both very old 'false flag' conspiracy theories that follow the mold of the 9/11 Truth movement.

564 snowcrash  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 5:16:35pm

re: #538 ggt

I'm tired of f@cking issues. I want oreos.

Is Charles going to open the sekret bunker tonight?


I want one of those lemon square bar things with powdered sugar on it. and coffee.

565 ArmyWife  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 5:17:10pm

re: #564 snowcrash

That sounds good. Or key lime pie.

566 DEZes  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 5:17:41pm

re: #562 jcm

How much $$$ in ammo does that quad .50 burn a second?

LOL!

I hate to think about it, but it sure looks like fun.

567 albusteve  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 5:17:43pm

re: #562 jcm

How much $$$ in ammo does that quad .50 burn a second?

LOL!

(rich) boyz and their toyz...wish I was there

568 David Simon  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 5:17:45pm

re: #529 Killgore Trout

Crazy Pam got a gig writing for News Max.

I'd rather clean toilets for a living than have to be her editor.

569 BlueRoses  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 5:18:14pm

re: #495 jamgarr

It's OK. :)

570 eon  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 5:18:34pm

re: #431 LudwigVanQuixote

All those you listed are on my Genuinely Sucks list. Which also includes;

Quintet (1974) (Paul Newman; if you haven't seen it, consider yourself lucky)

12 to the Moon (1959) (doesn't just violate the laws of physics, but ignores them completely; ditto for the laws of coherent storytelling)

A.I; Artificial Intelligence (2002) (Brain Aldiss should have smacked Spielberg for that one)

Minority Report (2003) (PKD should haunt Tom Cruise forever)

The Matrix and both of its sequels (2001-2005) (the Wachowski brothers need to study a few books on writing, and especially L. Sprague deCamp's Science Fiction Handbook)

And of course the "remake" of the Day The Earth Stood Still ( A bad three-way cross between The Man Who Fell to Earth, Independence Day, and The Matrix- is there any way to get Keanu Reeves out of the acting business?)

I know Sturgeon's Law states that 98% of everything is crap, but some of it is unnecessarily pungent.

cheers

eon

571 ArmyWife  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 5:18:56pm

This is not comforting.

AP sources: Russian subs patrolling off East Coast

via drudge

572 albusteve  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 5:19:32pm

re: #566 DEZes

I hate to think about it, but it sure looks like fun.

take that!...you commie watermellon!

573 [deleted]  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 5:19:40pm
574 DEZes  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 5:20:21pm

re: #572 albusteve

take that!...you commie watermellon!

LOL.

575 albusteve  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 5:20:26pm

re: #571 ArmyWife

This is not comforting.

AP sources: Russian subs patrolling off East Coast

via drudge

trolling for beer...it's the new chic

576 BlueRoses  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 5:21:11pm

re: #527 FurryOldGuyJeans

Yeah run it thru a shredder and use it to line the hamster cage.

577 eon  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 5:21:53pm

re: #488 LudwigVanQuixote

I lived 5th element and I learned to draw as a boy from Heavy Metal magazine...

And because I must now say it...

IT'S MY LOCH NAR!!!

And you are welcome to it. Glowing green balls are automatically considered grounds for Red Alert status in my universe.

/especially if they talk

cheers

eon

578 snowcrash  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 5:21:59pm

re: #570 eon
Not The Matrix. eon please! LOL

579 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 5:22:44pm

out for the night.
Everyone have a good evening.

580 albusteve  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 5:22:55pm

re: #574 DEZes

LOL.

I miss R. Lee...

581 BlueRoses  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 5:22:58pm

re: #565 ArmyWife

That sounds good. Or key lime pie.

Oh yeah. I gots me some sitting on the kitchen counter for later.

582 DEZes  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 5:22:58pm

re: #578 snowcrash

Not The Matrix. eon please! LOL

I liked the Matrix, 2 and 3, not even on my radar.

583 jcm  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 5:23:16pm

re: #571 ArmyWife

This is not comforting.

AP sources: Russian subs patrolling off East Coast

via drudge

They'll have trailers. SOSUS will pick them up in the GIUK gap, and they'll pick up a friend to keep an eye on 'em, same old game. They never were in our league.

584 [deleted]  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 5:23:18pm
585 callahan23  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 5:23:31pm

re: #579 pre-Boomer Marine brat

out for the night.
Everyone have a good evening.

Have a good one.
Love your new avatar.

586 LudwigVanQuixote  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 5:23:41pm

re: #547 buzzsawmonkey

I disagree. Yes, there have always been conspiracy theories, and there always will be--though I have no idea what "troof" theories might have attended the sinking of the Lusitania.

However, the film is not the issue. The comic book has been around for quite some time. You have a far higher estimate of the intelligence of comics devotees than I do, and I think it is a leap to assume that education is a bulwark against conspiracy theorizing.

1. False flag conspiracies have been with us for some time. There were plenty of pro-German Lusitania troofers back in 1917. There were isolationist U.S.S. Maine troofers a generation before. The fact is that whenever a national tragedy - that leads to conflict arises, you will always have some fringe element who assumes it was a set up.

2. As to comics people, it is not that I have faith in comics people, but rather, an understanding of the sorts of people who would have been drawn to something like Watchmen back in the day. And that really is the point, until the movie came out, Watchmen was one of those things for "people in the know." It is not at all your standard Spiderman kind of stuff. It came along with things like Dark Knight Returns and V for Vendetta, and it appealed to the sorts of angry, intelligent adolescents and college kids who liked gritty social commentary and adult themes (adult themes meaning ideas for adults, as opposed to sexual themes, though those were certainly there too). Straight up, this was something for a certain set of angry nerds (like I was). I am saying that the crowd who would be into that is very unlikely to become a troofer. If you find someone from that crowd who did, it is the exception and not the rule.

587 DEZes  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 5:23:56pm

re: #580 albusteve

He pass away?
I loved that guy.

588 LudwigVanQuixote  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 5:24:34pm

re: #577 eon

And you are welcome to it. Glowing green balls are automatically considered grounds for Red Alert status in my universe.

/especially if they talk

cheers

eon

or at least a trip to the doctor... :)

589 ggt  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 5:25:49pm

re: #564 snowcrash

I want one of those lemon square bar things with powdered sugar on it. and coffee.

Well, I'm going to make a fresh pot right now, but I can't bring it in until Charles unlocks the doors.

We have lemon squares too?

590 ggt  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 5:26:59pm

re: #570 eon

All those you listed are on my Genuinely Sucks list. Which also includes;

Quintet (1974) (Paul Newman; if you haven't seen it, consider yourself lucky)

12 to the Moon (1959) (doesn't just violate the laws of physics, but ignores them completely; ditto for the laws of coherent storytelling)

A.I; Artificial Intelligence (2002) (Brain Aldiss should have smacked Spielberg for that one)

Minority Report (2003) (PKD should haunt Tom Cruise forever)

The Matrix and both of its sequels (2001-2005) (the Wachowski brothers need to study a few books on writing, and especially L. Sprague deCamp's Science Fiction Handbook)

And of course the "remake" of the Day The Earth Stood Still ( A bad three-way cross between The Man Who Fell to Earth, Independence Day, and The Matrix- is there any way to get Keanu Reeves out of the acting business?)

I know Sturgeon's Law states that 98% of everything is crap, but some of it is unnecessarily pungent.

cheers

eon

There was absolutely no reason to create, edit, produce and market A.I.

591 esch  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 5:27:25pm

re: #431 LudwigVanQuixote

OK WORST sci fi movies you ever had the misfortune of seeing...

For me it was Mission to Mars which was touted as being advised by NASA and presented itself as something that would be hard sf. It delivered gravity defying m&m DNA strands that the characters identified as human, by eye, and with less than 50 base pairs to look at. It delivered momentum NOT being conserved. It delivered incorrect orbital mechanics. It delivered a truly mind numbingly bad script and mind numbingly bad acting - and it wrapped up with a dopey New Agey Hollywood ending. When I saw it in the theatre, people claped at one of the tear jerk moments when one of the astronauts died. Ironically, he could have been saved if only momentum were conserved in space...

My second on the list is The Core. It is equally mind numbingly stupid, however, there is a certain goofiness to it that allows me to laugh at it more than hate it.

My third most hated Sci Fi is Starship Troopers for taking one of the best sci fi books ever written and turing it into a farce with a message completely antithetical to the original story. The book was one of the best discussions of the philosophy and need for a military I have ever seen. Of course Verhoven hates all things military and had to make a sort of Eurotrash left wing take on it - in addition to completely taking away from the more interesting sci fi aspects of the novel by making the military stupid and under equipped.

Robot holocaust.

So far as ST goes:
1. Clancy Brown
2. Dina Meyer
3. The 'shower scene'

made up for quite a bit of the stinkiness of ST for me.

592 yochanan  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 5:27:26pm

re: #563 Scion9

crazy isn't a new thing, remember the elders of the protacals of zion is very old.

593 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 5:27:38pm

re: #580 albusteve

I miss R. Lee...

He's still around. He has a new show called "Lock and Load". Fairly good.

594 Scion9  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 5:27:50pm

re: #560 buzzsawmonkey

Yeah. I understand what you are saying, and The Watchmen is probably the most read work in its format/genre ever so it's a plausible inspiration. I'm just saying that the 9/11 Truth movement isn't exactly new or unique. We have a whole subculture in the US that has a hard-on for conspiracy theory and revisionist history.

595 yochanan  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 5:28:03pm

re: #568 David Simon

you mean your not into plastic?

596 jcm  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 5:28:11pm

Clunker Car Wash!

No rebate for you!

597 snowcrash  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 5:28:33pm

re: #582 DEZes
Always watch The Matrix when it is on TV. Have seen it about 10 times. Same with Hunt forRe d October. lol Both don't get old. Go figure.

598 ggt  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 5:28:58pm

bbiab --maybe Charles will have opened the bunker by then.

I hope I remember the passcode, Is it still Robert Heinlein's birthday?

599 ArmyWife  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 5:29:13pm

re: #575 albusteve

Trolling for something! Take that, Swim Suit Obama!

[Link: www.timesonline.co.uk...]

600 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 5:29:48pm

re: #583 jcm

They'll have trailers. SOSUS will pick them up in the GIUK gap, and they'll pick up a friend to keep an eye on 'em, same old game. They never were in our league.

That's not what scares me. Their Oscar-class SSGN carries quite a lot of of firepower, and the fact that Putin is waving that firepower in our face is unsettling.

601 DEZes  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 5:29:53pm

re: #597 snowcrash

Always watch The Matrix when it is on TV. Have seen it about 10 times. Same with Hunt forRe d October. lol Both don't get old. Go figure.

Both are in my collection.

Wolverines. ;)

602 albusteve  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 5:30:04pm

re: #593 Dark_Falcon

He's still around. He has a new show called "Lock and Load". Fairly good.

am waiting to see it...Mail Call was a classic hoot...grew his own water mellon commie targets...lots of juicy stuff there

603 wrenchwench  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 5:31:26pm

Well, I'm sorry to miss the lemon squares, but I gotta go now. Later, lizards!

604 DEZes  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 5:31:48pm

re: #603 wrenchwench

Well, I'm sorry to miss the lemon squares, but I gotta go now. Later, lizards!

Have a good one.

605 eon  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 5:32:31pm

re: #527 FurryOldGuyJeans

Any lizards have an opinion about Protocols of Zion?

It was a hoax perpetrated by a Czarist official hoping to curry favor with Czar Alexander III of Russia, by "proving" that a vast conspiracy was behind the assassination of his father, Alexander II, in 1881. Not an "opinion"- historical fact.

Just like the fact that it has been used since then as the "justification" for everything from the Holocaust to Iran's nuclear ambitions. It's the political equivalent of the "alien abduction" theory; an excuse for people to blame their own shortcomings on outside forces. Which probably explains its continued popularity in circles full of people with many self-inflicted problems who are engaged in a lifelong search for scapegoats.

Of course, no one is going around talking about nuking little grey guys or "driving them into the sea", either. That treatment is earmarked for real people, who actually exist, whose existence offends other people who apparently have a serious problem with taking responsibility for their own situations.

/IOW, the "believers" in the "Protocols" need to grow up

cheers

eon

606 callahan23  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 5:32:45pm

re: #603 wrenchwench

Well, I'm sorry to miss the lemon squares, but I gotta go now. Later, lizards!

G'night. {wrenchwench}

607 jcm  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 5:34:13pm

re: #600 Dark_Falcon

That's not what scares me. Their Oscar-class SSGN carries quite a lot of of firepower, and the fact that Putin is waving that firepower in our face is unsettling.

SSGN in close, yep, even boomers, with depressed trajectories. That's why they're using SSNs to trail down the coast, not rattle us too hard.

Bombers are probing again, now the sub games, the bad old days seem to be coming back.

608 jcm  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 5:35:11pm

re: #605 eon

It was a hoax perpetrated by a Czarist official hoping to curry favor with Czar Alexander III of Russia, by "proving" that a vast conspiracy was behind the assassination of his father, Alexander II, in 1881. Not an "opinion"- historical fact.

Just like the fact that it has been used since then as the "justification" for everything from the Holocaust to Iran's nuclear ambitions. It's the political equivalent of the "alien abduction" theory; an excuse for people to blame their own shortcomings on outside forces. Which probably explains its continued popularity in circles full of people with many self-inflicted problems who are engaged in a lifelong search for scapegoats.

Of course, no one is going around talking about nuking little grey guys or "driving them into the sea", either. That treatment is earmarked for real people, who actually exist, whose existence offends other people who apparently have a serious problem with taking responsibility for their own situations.

/IOW, the "believers" in the "Protocols" need to grow up

cheers

eon

*sigh*

Move Protocols from the non-fiction shelf to the fiction shelf...

///

609 rumcrook  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 5:35:13pm

O/T

the fact that leftard causes have been orchestrated by people who are not grasss roots and crowds populated by people who dont work or hold jobs unless you count professionally protesting, has remained a "secret" in the media, and as far as I know has never been reported by the msm is infuriating.

double that anger now that the first time this is reported it is against truelly normal and average working americans who are waking up to the alarming "change" about to rip down our country and showing up to demand answers from the "ruling class at townhall meetings

a screen shot of msnbc shows a disturbing bias showing just how low they have sunk, and what whores they have become

http://geekwitha45.blogspot.com/

610 lawhawk  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 5:35:26pm

re: #600 Dark_Falcon

The Russians play their games. We play ours (or so we hope). But this time, the Russians are doing missile drills while listening to the sound of our rock n' roll.

Then again, not only do we have the 688i's running in the Russian baffles, we've got a couple of Virginia class ships out there too.

And keep in mind that our forces have plenty of experience firing our weapons systems in real combat situations - whether it was the first Desert Storm or in support of Iraqi Freedom and thereafter. Nothing quite serves to drill technique as combat.

611 albusteve  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 5:35:47pm

it's a crap shoot...

612 ggt  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 5:35:55pm

Is the bunker open yet?

613 Scion9  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 5:37:34pm

re: #605 eon

His link is to a documentary about the rise of antisemitism in the US after 9/11, and how it is tied to Trooferism. I haven't seen it, but will check it out when I get the chance.

614 LudwigVanQuixote  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 5:37:53pm

re: #607 jcm

SSGN in close, yep, even boomers, with depressed trajectories. That's why they're using SSNs to trail down the coast, not rattle us too hard.

Bombers are probing again, now the sub games, the bad old days seem to be coming back.

Yep, Putin sees the posturing as a way to rebuild Russia. The only good news is however f'd up the situation is, we have the best navy in the world bar none.

I'd take a Virginia or a Seawolf up against one of their bad boys, any day.

615 callahan23  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 5:38:13pm

re: #605 eon

It was a hoax perpetrated by a Czarist official hoping to curry favor with Czar Alexander III of Russia, by "proving" that a vast conspiracy was behind the assassination of his father, Alexander II, in 1881. Not an "opinion"- historical fact.

Just like the fact that it has been used since then as the "justification" for everything from the Holocaust to Iran's nuclear ambitions. It's the political equivalent of the "alien abduction" theory; an excuse for people to blame their own shortcomings on outside forces. Which probably explains its continued popularity in circles full of people with many self-inflicted problems who are engaged in a lifelong search for scapegoats.

Of course, no one is going around talking about nuking little grey guys or "driving them into the sea", either. That treatment is earmarked for real people, who actually exist, whose existence offends other people who apparently have a serious problem with taking responsibility for their own situations.

/IOW, the "believers" in the "Protocols" need to grow up

cheers

eon

Plus that it was originally :

The original source has been identified as an 1864 book by Maurice Joly entitled 'The Dialogue in Hell Between Machiavelli and Montesquieu', which was written as a satirical attack against the ambitions and methods of French Emperor Napoleon III.

Wiki

616 Shug  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 5:38:28pm

re: #612 ggt

Is the bunker open yet?

I brought my 60 degree wedge just in case

617 albusteve  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 5:38:34pm

re: #610 lawhawk

The Russians play their games. We play ours (or so we hope). But this time, the Russians are doing missile drills while listening to the sound of our rock n' roll.

Then again, not only do we have the 688i's running in the Russian baffles, we've got a couple of Virginia class ships out there too.

And keep in mind that our forces have plenty of experience firing our weapons systems in real combat situations - whether it was the first Desert Storm or in support of Iraqi Freedom and thereafter. Nothing quite serves to drill technique as combat.

the Russians are fucked bigtime if they want to play underwater...debris

618 Salamantis  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 5:38:35pm

re: #514 buzzsawmonkey

I believe "Watchmen" laid the groundwork--unwittingly--for the Troofer movement. Note that there is an intentional disaster in the movie that kills millions in New York for the purpose of "bringing the society together"; it would not surprise me if the young geeks who spawned Trooferism were familiar with the comic, and were all too ready to believe that life had mirrored art.

I think that we've had this discussion before, Buzz. I'm of the opinion that the media pump that primed the popular acceptance of Trooferism was the television work of Chris Carter, particularly the series The X Files and Millennium. Any and all evil that occurred in them was unerringly portrayed as a result of shadowy and malevolent government conspiracies.

It long predates the Watchmen movie. And the Watchmen graphic novel only influenced the comic geeks who read it. Most likely including Chris Carter.

619 DEZes  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 5:39:11pm

re: #616 Shug

I brought my 60 degree wedge just in case

You call that a bunker buster?
//

620 Learned Mother of Zion  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 5:39:30pm

re: #563 Scion9

That the Lusitania was sunk by the Allies in order to ramp up hatred of the Germans in the USA. Likewise, FDR knew about Pearl Harbor ahead of time and did nothing about it.

Both very old 'false flag' conspiracy theories that follow the mold of the 9/11 Truth movement.

Remember the Maine conspiracy theory

621 Shug  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 5:39:49pm

re: #619 DEZes

You call that a bunker buster?
//

Depends on the lie

622 jamgarr  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 5:40:03pm

re: #616 Shug

I brought my 60 degree wedge just in case


Open-faced sand wedge. Hmmm.

623 albusteve  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 5:41:21pm

re: #621 Shug

Depends on the lie

Shugs Bunker Buster...
Image: Hand_Grenade_White_Size_500.jpg

624 lawhawk  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 5:41:21pm

Oh, and if we thought that Hizbullah had given up the ghost of jihad against Israel, you'd be wrong.

The current stability in the North is "in danger," Deputy Northern Command chief Brig.-Gen. Alon Friedman was quoted by the Times as saying Tuesday, adding that the peace could "explode at any minute."

Meanwhile, surveillance footage obtained by the British newspaper shows Hizbullah fighters trying to salvage rockets and other munitions from the suspected arms cache that exploded last month in southern Lebanon.

The video shows rockets and other munitions being retrieved from the bombed site, and a truck moving rockets from the apparent weapons depot. It then shows Hizbullah operatives emerging from an underground bunker.

Israel's ambassador to the UN, Gabriela Shalev, told the Security Council last week that the July 14 explosions that exposed the apparent Hizbullah arms cache demonstrated a "volatile reality" and reflected the threat posed by Iran throughout the Middle East.

Hizbullah is believed to have stockpiled up to 40,000 rockets, and Deputy Foreign Minister Danny Ayalon told the Times that "Hizbullah has not only replaced the munitions but upgraded their missiles. They are bragging now that they can hit Tel Aviv."

625 jcm  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 5:41:34pm

re: #614 LudwigVanQuixote

Yep, Putin sees the posturing as a way to rebuild Russia. The only good news is however f'd up the situation is, we have the best navy in the world bar none.

I'd take a Virginia or a Seawolf up against one of their bad boys, any day.

They still can't play with the Los Angeles, up against those it's not even close.

626 ggt  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 5:42:16pm

re: #609 rumcrook

I love geek!

627 DEZes  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 5:43:38pm

Well Lizards, its time for me to go.
Thanks for keeping me company.

628 Shug  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 5:43:43pm

re: #623 albusteve

Shugs Bunker Buster...
[Link: www.woodsballgear.com...]

It's all about the oil(can)

I can get it up and down from the ball washer

629 albusteve  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 5:45:25pm

re: #628 Shug

It's all about the oil(can)

I can get it up and down from the ball washer

ooohhh a Vokey!

630 kansas  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 5:45:49pm

re: #598 ggt

bbiab --maybe Charles will have opened the bunker by then.

I hope I remember the passcode, Is it still Robert Heinlein's birthday?

My home town is where Heinlein was born. Went by a sign pointing towards his birthplace my whole life. Boring town. Apparently he needed something to do.

631 snowcrash  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 5:46:57pm

re: #627 DEZes
Bye DEC. lol

632 ggt  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 5:47:16pm

Ok, no bunker buster needed--->!

633 LudwigVanQuixote  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 5:48:01pm

I apologize for back tracking to bad sci - fi, but, I must now list the so bad it's good variety... The movies that work well if you are at home with a bunch of buddies and mildly buzzed - and you make fun of them... All of these movies are chosen for a certain brain melt factor that causes you to feel both punchy and a little mentally violated.

Le bad cinema...

1. Battlefield Earth... John Travolta is a really, really mean alien super capitalist. $cientology galore!

2. Manos the Hands of Fate... yes MST3K did it up well, but, do you have the courage to see the original in all of it's glory?

3. The Forbidden Zone... this ground breaking movie introduced the "butt-f@ck cage of doom" - no, it's actually in the movie and it is actually called that. As a bonus, it has Herve Velasquez, the midget from Fantasy Island.

I dare you to watch these films...

634 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 5:49:54pm

re: #610 lawhawk

The Russians play their games. We play ours (or so we hope). But this time, the Russians are doing missile drills while listening to the sound of our rock n' roll.

Then again, not only do we have the 688i's running in the Russian baffles, we've got a couple of Virginia class ships out there too.

And keep in mind that our forces have plenty of experience firing our weapons systems in real combat situations - whether it was the first Desert Storm or in support of Iraqi Freedom and thereafter. Nothing quite serves to drill technique as combat.

Agreed. That said, I do worry that the next thing we'll see near our shores would be the Severodvinsk, first of the Yasen class. The scary thing about that one is that it could hammer us conventionally from a stand-off distance. That would give Putin some very useful leverage in a crisis in Georgia or Ukraine.

635 snowcrash  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 5:50:02pm

re: #633 LudwigVanQuixote
Thanks for all the movie picks and pans.

636 Mad Al-Jaffee  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 5:51:14pm

ALL HAIL OCTAVIA!!!

[Link: www.theonion.com...]

637 [deleted]  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 5:53:39pm
638 eon  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 5:54:47pm

re: #620 Alouette

Remember the Maine conspiracy theory

One of the more recent, and scientifically more plausible, theories about the Bunker A16 explosion is that a short circuit in the electric light system inside the bunker (a problem that was common in warships of that day) may have triggered a dust explosion- a phenomenon that was not recognized at the time, and remained poorly understood until relatively recently (when such explosions destroyed several commercial grain silos in the U.S. in the 1970s and early 1980s, with considerable loss of life).

A dust explosion could easily have detonated the main magazines, as due to a fundamental design flaw, the for'ard coal bunkers shared bulkheads with those magazines. (The concept of "isolation" to avoid such chain-reaction explosions was still twenty years in the future, after the Royal Navy's loss of three battlecruisers at Jutland in 1916.) To be fair, one can hardly fault BuShips for not designing in protection against a possible problem which, at the time, no one knew existed.

cheers

eon

639 LudwigVanQuixote  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 5:55:35pm

re: #637 buzzsawmonkey

re: #594 Scion9

re: #618 Salamantis

Just came back to get my hat...

You do make good points (much as it pains me to concede it), and I agree that there are certainly other potential bases for the Troofer movement, not least the rich vein of nuttiness that has always run through the culture.

I do, however, wish it were possible to take a Troofer core sample and find out if there is any detectable Watchmen influence on them.

That would be interesting. I would predict that most Watchman fans are in somewhat technical positions these days - either that or they are the total under-achiever types.

640 redneckkahfir  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 6:30:47pm

re: #332 Fenway_Nation

Oh my...this is reassuring.

There is a lot of disinformation about health insurance reform out there, spanning from control of personal finances to end of life care. These rumors often travel just below the surface via chain emails or through casual conversation. Since we can’t keep track of all of them here at the White House, we’re asking for your help. If you get an email or see something on the web about health insurance reform that seems fishy, send it to flag-AT-whitehouse.gov.

I thought i would send them something i found that was fishy, so I sent them a PDF copy of the health care monstrosity.

Your text to link...

maybe we should all do that...

641 FamHistoryGuy  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 6:47:49pm

re: #638 eon

Dust explosions were used as sabotage by the OSS in WWII. Shows how to set one up in my copy of the OSS manual.

642 Dustoff-507  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 6:50:49pm

ARE you kidding me. Charles please this is SO old. I don't care and to still beat this dead horse? If Obama had cared to show any of his records, which he seems NOT to!
Like say his education grades. None of this would matter.

643 Beller0ph1  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 6:57:02pm

re: #2 KenJen

He's got the voice down pat.

My wife went, "I can't listen to that guy, turn it off..."

644 Kaymad  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 7:06:30pm

eh, I lost interest at the opposite day part, none of it was really that funny.

645 zoidberg  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 7:50:10pm

I knew it! He's a Sacha Baron Cohen posing as a Cylon!

646 Dr. Shalit  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 8:05:37pm

OK Everyone -

'Nirthers are a Waste of Time and Effort. The President's MOM was a Native Born US Citizen - Case Closed. I oppose Pres. Obama about 80 or more % of the time. In the 2008 Election, my vote was really FOR Sarah Palin more than anything else. Would SHE were the President, rather than Pres. Obama.
That said, GET OVER IT - Barrack H. Obama IS Our President.
Work for "Conservative" Congressional Candidates in 2010, work for an electable candidate in 2012 to defeat him at that time. So long as Our Democracy - (small "D") - is in effect in 2010 and 2012 - I for One believe that our "Mistake" of 2008 will be corrected as were our similar "Mistakes" of 1976 and 1992. I worked for the 1976 "Mistake" - being young and STUPID at the time. By 1992, I knew better. That is all.

-S-

647 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, Aug 4, 2009 8:30:14pm

re: #254 eon

You gotta love that about art.

648 marsl  Wed, Aug 5, 2009 2:49:15pm

He is a Zion or a Cylon? For non-english speakers, there is some confusion...

But be not afraid, to jihadis is all the same. You must die. Or convert.


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