Jihad in North Carolina - Update
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A video report from North Carolina’s WRAL TV, on the detention hearing for Daniel Patrick Boyd and six other alleged homegrown jihadis arrested last week:
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NelsFree Tue, Aug 4, 2009 8:03:26pm |
I live near here, there are many Muslims in the area. There have been no problems with any Islam-related matters at all
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FurryOldGuyJeans Tue, Aug 4, 2009 8:07:40pm |
re: #1 NelsFree
I live near here, there are many Muslims in the area. There have been no problems with any Islam-related matters at all
All it takes is a few whack-a-doos.
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Sharmuta Tue, Aug 4, 2009 8:09:01pm |
Home grown jihadis are why fascists want to ban islam. It's not a race.
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Mich-again Tue, Aug 4, 2009 8:09:41pm |
re: #1 NelsFree
I live near here, there are many Muslims in the area. There have been no problems with any Islam-related matters at all
Until the crazy cracker convert came along.
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FurryOldGuyJeans Tue, Aug 4, 2009 8:10:02pm |
re: #4 Sharmuta
Home grown jihadis are why fascists want to ban islam. It's not a race.
The fascist "cure" is worse than the disease. No thanks.
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esch Tue, Aug 4, 2009 8:12:04pm |
I don't know. I'm pretty down on the whole thing lately.
Especially after hearing my Muslim Representative's comments about not falling for the 'guilt-trap' of trying to keep Grandma alive.
I'm going to compose a really blistering statement to deliver in person.
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Shug Tue, Aug 4, 2009 8:15:45pm |
Surprised they are still allowing the J word in the new PC America.
Home grown inner strugglers seems more appropriate these days
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philip Tue, Aug 4, 2009 8:15:59pm |
re: #1 NelsFree
I live near here, there are many Muslims in the area. There have been no problems with any Islam-related matters at all
That's because Islam is, by and large, a peaceful and serene religion.
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NelsFree Tue, Aug 4, 2009 8:16:50pm |
re: #4 Sharmuta
Home grown jihadis are why fascists want to ban islam. It's not a race.
ANY kind of Jihadi is a problem. I've talked with some Muslims in the area. When I bring up the "contentious issues" of death and violence, they typically lie.
Now, I can tell they are lying when I have read the Hadith they deny, the translations of the Koran which they say are translated wrong, and the long, long record of violent attacks committed by Muslims around the world which they say are actually Muslims under attack everywhere. I have even met with some and presented documentation to counter their claims; they deny the validity and dismiss the documents as 'nothing'. This has been a consistent behavior based on my experiences.
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Shug Tue, Aug 4, 2009 8:17:24pm |
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Killgore Trout Tue, Aug 4, 2009 8:17:48pm |
There's an unusual amount of information being released about this case. Usually things are much more quiet.
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srb1976 Tue, Aug 4, 2009 8:18:08pm |
re: #12 philip
That's because Islam is, by and large, a peaceful and serene religion.
I must live a fairly sheltered life...I've only personally known 1 practicing muslim...hell of a good guy too. Not much of a sample though = )
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NelsFree Tue, Aug 4, 2009 8:19:09pm |
re: #15 Killgore Trout
There's an unusual amount of information being released about this case. Usually things are much more quiet.
Good Evening Joe -er, Killgore. Examples?
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Desert Dog Tue, Aug 4, 2009 8:19:35pm |
re: #13 NelsFree
ANY kind of Jihadi is a problem. I've talked with some Muslims in the area. When I bring up the "contentious issues" of death and violence, they typically lie.
Now, I can tell they are lying when I have read the Hadith they deny, the translations of the Koran which they say are translated wrong, and the long, long record of violent attacks committed by Muslims around the world which they say are actually Muslims under attack everywhere. I have even met with some and presented documentation to counter their claims; they deny the validity and dismiss the documents as 'nothing'. This has been a consistent behavior based on my experiences.
Those aren't the Muslims I know...I've heard that before somewhere...where was it??
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Vicious Michigan Union Thug Tue, Aug 4, 2009 8:20:34pm |
re: #12 philip
That's because Islam is, by and large, a peaceful and serene religion.
As long as they get their way.
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Desert Dog Tue, Aug 4, 2009 8:20:58pm |
re: #12 philip
That's because Islam is, by and large, a peaceful and serene religion.
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Macker Tue, Aug 4, 2009 8:21:20pm |
re: #4 Sharmuta
Home grown jihadis are why fascists want to ban islam. It's not a race.
Islamofascists do call anti-Islamic activities racist, because their goal is the subjugation of The Entire Human Race.
LAN ASTASLEM. I Will NOT Submit.
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NelsFree Tue, Aug 4, 2009 8:21:21pm |
The Mother of one of the defendants (wearing Western garb) stated, "This was a setup".
I guess living in denial works both ways.
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Killgore Trout Tue, Aug 4, 2009 8:22:13pm |
re: #17 NelsFree
With cases like Jose Padilla we heard the general outline of what he was up to but we never heard recorded conversations, statements, timelines, etc until the trial was over with.
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Desert Dog Tue, Aug 4, 2009 8:22:32pm |
re: #12 philip
That's because Islam is, by and large, a peaceful and serene religion.
Unless of course, you have the "misfortune" of being born a woman into that relgion
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A Kiwi Infidel Tue, Aug 4, 2009 8:22:36pm |
re: #1 NelsFree
I live near here, there are many Muslims in the area. There have been no problems with any Islam-related matters at all
We have a saying down here:
"Dogs dont shit in their own backyard"
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Desert Dog Tue, Aug 4, 2009 8:23:36pm |
re: #24 Killgore Trout
With cases like Jose Padilla we heard the general outline of what he was up to but we never heard recorded conversations, statements, timelines, etc until the trial was over with.
That was under Bush and the GWOT was in full swing. Now, it's treated like the guy that knocked over the local liquor store...same thing...
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A Kiwi Infidel Tue, Aug 4, 2009 8:24:01pm |
re: #22 NelsFree
The Mother of one of the defendants (wearing Western garb) stated, "This was a setup and I am a cylon which is why I where the Hijab sose you cant tell".
I guess living in denial works both ways.
Needed amplification
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NelsFree Tue, Aug 4, 2009 8:24:41pm |
re: #23 taxfreekiller
I'm glad he is fighting the good fight. There are too many Legislators who form a "Ruling Elite" class, and should be ousted in 2010. If We The People can get enough fresh faces in, term limits should be a top priority.
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Desert Dog Tue, Aug 4, 2009 8:25:20pm |
re: #26 A Kiwi Infidel
We have a saying down here:
"Dogs dont shit in their own backyard"
I wish mine didn't...I think there's a "net increase" to the amount of food served and the amount of waste expelled.
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Sharmuta Tue, Aug 4, 2009 8:25:23pm |
re: #13 NelsFree
Actually- the largest percentage of the victims of jihad are muslims.
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Mich-again Tue, Aug 4, 2009 8:25:24pm |
From the indictment..
33. On or about October 7, 2008, defendant JUDE KENAN MOHAMMAD departed the United States to travel to Pakistan to engage in violent jihad.
34. On November 3, 2008, defendant DANIEL PATRICK BOYD, a/k/a "Saifullah," purchased a Mossburg 100 ATR .270 rifle and a Llama Comanche III .357 revolver.
35. On November 6, 2008, defendant DANIEL PATRICK BOYD, a/k/a "Saifullah," purchased a Century Arms AK Sporter 7.62 X 39 rifle.
36. On November 11, 2008, defendant DANIEL PATRICK BOYD, a/k/a "Saifullah," purchased a Ruger mini 30 7.62 X 39 rifle.
The whole indictment reads like that. A timeline of the accused ones' travels abroad to attempt to wage violent jihad, intermingled with the records of purchases of weapons back home. It seems kind of odd to me that the Feds were watching this all unfold. Yep, he's buying another weapon. Check. They must have been in a ready mode all that time.
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VioletTiger Tue, Aug 4, 2009 8:26:25pm |
re: #26 A Kiwi Infidel
We have a saying down here:
"Dogs dont shit in their own backyard"
Dam straight. My neighbor's dog shits in my yard!
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itellu3times Tue, Aug 4, 2009 8:26:29pm |
Um, one word I don't see here is "treason". Makes me wonder. Are they not being charged with conspiring against the US government or US citizens, and if not, well, to put it bluntly, what laws have they broken? Does the US have a law against terrorism of foreign countries, or murder of non-US residents or citizens? IOW, could they walk?
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Desert Dog Tue, Aug 4, 2009 8:26:55pm |
re: #33 Mich-again
From the indictment..
The whole indictment reads like that. A timeline of the accused ones' travels abroad to attempt to wage violent jihad, intermingled with the records of purchases of weapons back home. It seems kind of odd to me that the Feds were watching this all unfold. Yep, he's buying another weapon. Check. They must have been in a ready mode all that time.
Good thing nothing bad happened prior to the arrest then
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NelsFree Tue, Aug 4, 2009 8:27:03pm |
re: #26 A Kiwi Infidel
We have a saying down here:
"Dogs dont
shitpoo in their own backyard"
I believe there is a hadith or custom that Muslims should not wage Jihad in their home country. Therefore, Mr. Boyd and company trained and planned here, then went overseas to act.
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tradewind Tue, Aug 4, 2009 8:27:04pm |
re: #12 philip
The headline is ' Family, Friends Support Terror Suspects'.
Which is just so puzzling, given all the peace and serenity.
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FurryOldGuyJeans Tue, Aug 4, 2009 8:27:49pm |
re: #32 Sharmuta
Actually- the largest percentage of the victims of jihad are muslims.
Yup, Shi'ites and Sunnis hate each other with a passion that can only be described as holy. When they don't have Greater or Lesser Satan citizens handy to murder, they start killing each other.
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A Kiwi Infidel Tue, Aug 4, 2009 8:28:12pm |
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Desert Dog Tue, Aug 4, 2009 8:28:21pm |
re: #38 tradewind
The headline is ' Family, Friends Support Terror Suspects'.
Which is just so puzzling, given all the peace and serenity.
One man's peace and serenity is another's cold blooded murder, I guess
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NelsFree Tue, Aug 4, 2009 8:28:22pm |
re: #28 A Kiwi Infidel
Needed amplification
Thank you. I had to turn down my brightness control when you posted it.
/h
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tradewind Tue, Aug 4, 2009 8:29:53pm |
re: #42 Desert Dog
Uh oh, I forgot the sarc tag.
Well, consider it after -the- fact- implied.
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esch Tue, Aug 4, 2009 8:30:08pm |
re: #40 FurryOldGuyJeans
Sounds like we need an island to isolate them on to resolve it. How about New Zealand?
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Desert Dog Tue, Aug 4, 2009 8:30:21pm |
re: #44 tradewind
Uh oh, I forgot the sarc tag.
Well, consider it after -the- fact- implied.
Got it, even without the tag
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Spare O'Lake Tue, Aug 4, 2009 8:30:26pm |
In my mind they come from Carolina,
Can't you see your son dyin'
Can't you just hear the lead flyin'
And ain't it just like a friend of mine
To stab you from behind
'Cause they come from Carolina in my mind.
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A Kiwi Infidel Tue, Aug 4, 2009 8:30:51pm |
re: #43 NelsFree
Thank you. I had to turn down my brightness control when you posted it.
/h
No, that was Cylon glare boring through cyberspace and controlling your mind.
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itellu3times Tue, Aug 4, 2009 8:30:54pm |
re: #35 itellu3times
from the indictment:
Title 18, United States Code, Section 956, (Conspiracy to murder, kidnap, maim or injure persons in a foreign country),
OK then.
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A Kiwi Infidel Tue, Aug 4, 2009 8:31:06pm |
re: #45 esch
Sounds like we need an island to isolate them on to resolve it. How about New Zealand?
Piss orf
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NelsFree Tue, Aug 4, 2009 8:31:14pm |
re: #32 Sharmuta
Actually- the largest percentage of the victims of jihad are muslims.
Would you please provide evidence to support your position? I believe that this site:
[Link: www.thereligionofpeace.com...]
would tend to show that Muslims typically attack Kafiri (non-believers)
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Desert Dog Tue, Aug 4, 2009 8:31:31pm |
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FurryOldGuyJeans Tue, Aug 4, 2009 8:31:36pm |
re: #45 esch
Sounds like we need an island to isolate them on to resolve it. How about New Zealand?
Present day Muslims are no worse than Temple days Jews or pre-Reformation Christians.
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pbird Tue, Aug 4, 2009 8:32:04pm |
re: #53 FurryOldGuyJeans
Present day Muslims are no worse than Temple days Jews or pre-Reformation Christians.
Huh?
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Walter L. Newton Tue, Aug 4, 2009 8:32:27pm |
re: #53 FurryOldGuyJeans
Present day Muslims are no worse than Temple days Jews or pre-Reformation Christians.
Explain?
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A Kiwi Infidel Tue, Aug 4, 2009 8:32:37pm |
re: #37 NelsFree
I believe there is a hadith or custom that Muslims should not wage Jihad in their home country. Therefore, Mr. Boyd and company trained and planned here, then went overseas to act.
I'll call it poo if its over there but, dammit, I'll call it SHIT if I stand in it and it doesnt belong to my dog!
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NelsFree Tue, Aug 4, 2009 8:32:52pm |
re: #47 Spare O'Lake
OOhh, a cruel upding for that! James Taylor does not wear a turban, even if it would cover up his bald spot...
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avanti Tue, Aug 4, 2009 8:33:11pm |
re: #24 Killgore Trout
With cases like Jose Padilla we heard the general outline of what he was up to but we never heard recorded conversations, statements, timelines, etc until the trial was over with.
Today, the news says they played a tape where Jihad was discussed as the duty of every Muslim. They said the common western definition is a Holy war The defense will have fun with that, and the mere fact that he owned guns. I hope the government has a strong case, or some potential bad guys could get off on reasonable doubt. He has waged real Holy war in the past, against the Russians in Afghanistan, so he's no Boy Scout.
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Mich-again Tue, Aug 4, 2009 8:33:11pm |
re: #36 Desert Dog
Good thing nothing bad happened prior to the arrest then
I'm guessing they were watching every move. But if not, and Boyd changed tack and attacked locally I would hazard a guess all that surveillance information would not have been released. I think the whole situation points out how strong a case Federal prosecutors think they need going in.
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Vicious Michigan Union Thug Tue, Aug 4, 2009 8:33:41pm |
re: #53 FurryOldGuyJeans
Present day Muslims are no worse than Temple days Jews or pre-Reformation Christians.
The Judean People's Front and the People's Front of Judea were terrorist monsters, especially their Crack Suicide Squad.
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FurryOldGuyJeans Tue, Aug 4, 2009 8:33:42pm |
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A Kiwi Infidel Tue, Aug 4, 2009 8:34:15pm |
re: #52 Desert Dog
Tasmania then? :-)
Excellent suggestion, although I will offer this one New Zealand island as an option.
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Sharmuta Tue, Aug 4, 2009 8:34:22pm |
Yeah- all those Iraqis and Afghanis dying aren't muslims.
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jaunte Tue, Aug 4, 2009 8:34:35pm |
re: #52 Desert Dog
Send them to "Holiday" Island:
[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]
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Shug Tue, Aug 4, 2009 8:34:38pm |
Good thing those Ancient Jews and Christians didn't have access to 767's !
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Desert Dog Tue, Aug 4, 2009 8:34:38pm |
re: #61 Alouette
The Judean People's Front and the People's Front of Judea were terrorist monsters, especially their Crack Suicide Squad.
Life of Brian updings
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Killgore Trout Tue, Aug 4, 2009 8:34:42pm |
re: #51 NelsFree
Would you please provide evidence to support your position? I believe that this site:
[Link: www.thereligionofpeace.com...]
would tend to show that Muslims typically attack Kafiri (non-believers)
2009.08.03 (Kabylie, Algeria) - Four civilians are cut to pieces by automatic weapons fire from Islamic fundamentalists.
2009.08.03 (Iskandariya, Iraq) - A Shiite pilgrim is murdered by suspected Sunnis
2009.08.03 (Hilla, Iraq) - Islamic terrorists bomb two passenger buses, killing six innocents.
2009.08.03 (Fallujah, Iraq) - Car bombers take out five Iraqis.
2009.08.03 (Heart, Afghanistan) - A woman and a 12-year-old girl are among a dozen Afghanis blown apart by Sunni bombers along a city street.
2009.08.03 (Ghazni, Afghanistan) - A civilian is killed by a Taliban bomb.
Uh the site you link to shows most Islamic terrorist attacks are against fellow Muslims.
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Macker Tue, Aug 4, 2009 8:35:14pm |
re: #62 FurryOldGuyJeans
Judaism and Christianity have their history of bloodshed just as worse as any perpetrated by Muslims, all in the name of their respective religion.
And Islam has to get past their bloody history too. If they don't...
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FurryOldGuyJeans Tue, Aug 4, 2009 8:35:21pm |
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Sharmuta Tue, Aug 4, 2009 8:35:25pm |
re: #69 Killgore Trout
Dude- you are totally blowing his jihad watch meme.
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Walter L. Newton Tue, Aug 4, 2009 8:35:29pm |
re: #62 FurryOldGuyJeans
Judaism and Christianity have their history of bloodshed just as worse as any perpetrated by Muslims, all in the name of their respective religion.
History, history, what does your comment have to do with contemporary times?
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pbird Tue, Aug 4, 2009 8:35:50pm |
re: #62 FurryOldGuyJeans
Judaism and Christianity have their history of bloodshed just as worse as any perpetrated by Muslims, all in the name of their respective religion.
Neither Jews or Christians were ever required to kill any who would not convert. I think you've got a nonstarter there.
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Macker Tue, Aug 4, 2009 8:35:54pm |
re: #69 Killgore Trout
BTW folks, Ramadan starts on the 22nd of this month.
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Shug Tue, Aug 4, 2009 8:36:27pm |
re: #75 Macker
BTW folks, Ramadan starts on the 22nd of this month.
sweeet. more food for me on the lunch buffet
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Desert Dog Tue, Aug 4, 2009 8:36:50pm |
re: #66 jaunte
Send them to "Holiday" Island:
[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]
I vote for Komodo Island. Home of the Komodo Dragon. Even giant lizards need to eat, ya know.
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MrPaulRevere Tue, Aug 4, 2009 8:36:51pm |
Crazy Pam has joined Newsmax...Oh well its a 3rd tier site anyway.
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avanti Tue, Aug 4, 2009 8:36:55pm |
re: #33 Mich-again
From the indictment..
The whole indictment reads like that. A timeline of the accused ones' travels abroad to attempt to wage violent jihad, intermingled with the records of purchases of weapons back home. It seems kind of odd to me that the Feds were watching this all unfold. Yep, he's buying another weapon. Check. They must have been in a ready mode all that time.
More then that, he fired the weapons on private property, again, not enough to lock him up, so there must be more. You can't lock up every gun owner that actually likes to shoot. They must have proof of a plan, no plan, no conspirancy to plan.
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A Kiwi Infidel Tue, Aug 4, 2009 8:37:05pm |
re: #75 Macker
BTW folks, Ramadan starts on the 22nd of this month.
So, we can expect a fast then? Perhaps no violence for a month?
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NelsFree Tue, Aug 4, 2009 8:37:16pm |
re: #54 Sharmuta
Isn't that the site that smeared Charles?
I do not recall editorials pertaining to Charles there. If an article did malign our Moderator, I would not mind if the link were deleted. The site contains a list, updated regularly, of attacks committed by Muslims around the world since 9/11. The list is very, very long. There is a separate list of attacks committed by Muslims in the US. You may peruse it at your leisure.
PS Sharmuta, the spell checker wanted to rename you "Shamus". I declined.
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FurryOldGuyJeans Tue, Aug 4, 2009 8:37:20pm |
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Spare O'Lake Tue, Aug 4, 2009 8:38:19pm |
re: #62 FurryOldGuyJeans
Judaism and Christianity have their history of bloodshed just as worse as any perpetrated by Muslims, all in the name of their respective religion.
Wrong. The Jews took over the world by cleverness, so bloodshed was not necessary.
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Macker Tue, Aug 4, 2009 8:38:23pm |
re: #82 FurryOldGuyJeans
Yeah, they'd have to go with Fourthmeal.
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NelsFree Tue, Aug 4, 2009 8:40:01pm |
re: #69 Killgore Trout
Uh the site you link to shows most Islamic terrorist attacks are against fellow Muslims.
You listed ten out of 13,736. Perhaps you should spend more time researching.
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Desert Dog Tue, Aug 4, 2009 8:40:16pm |
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Desert Dog Tue, Aug 4, 2009 8:40:48pm |
re: #79 avanti
More then that, he fired the weapons on private property, again, not enough to lock him up, so there must be more. You can't lock up every gun owner that actually likes to shoot. They must have proof of a plan, no plan, no conspirancy to plan.
Sting operation, perhaps?
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Scion9 Tue, Aug 4, 2009 8:41:31pm |
re: #62 FurryOldGuyJeans
Judaism and Christianity have their history of bloodshed just as worse as any perpetrated by Muslims, all in the name of their respective religion.
Heh. Yes, violent Muslim radicals in the 21st first century are roughly equivalent to medieval Crusaders. That is really more of an indictment though.
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Mich-again Tue, Aug 4, 2009 8:41:32pm |
re: #79 avanti
They must have proof of a plan, no plan, no conspirancy to plan.
Thats the tricky part. If you wait till there is "proof", it might be too late to stop it.
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Dark_Falcon Tue, Aug 4, 2009 8:42:26pm |
re: #69 Killgore Trout
Uh the site you link to shows most Islamic terrorist attacks are against fellow Muslims.
That does not matter. Islamists kill fellow Muslims to terrorize them into compliance with the Islamist's extreme version of Islam. They are just as much victims as anyone else.
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srb1976 Tue, Aug 4, 2009 8:42:43pm |
re: #83 Spare O'Lake
Wrong. The Jews took over the world by cleverness, so bloodshed was not necessary.
Maybe so, but the christians are not so innocent (Inquisition anyone?)
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Ojoe Tue, Aug 4, 2009 8:43:28pm |
re: #90 Scion9
As all humans have been around the same amount of time it must be that the jihadis are the most retarded at giving up murder, etc.
We all have had the same number of eons to learn the lessons.
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FurryOldGuyJeans Tue, Aug 4, 2009 8:43:43pm |
re: #94 srb1976
Maybe so, but the christians are not so innocent (Inquisition anyone?)
Ask the Philistines and the citizens of Jericho how peaceful things were.
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Scion9 Tue, Aug 4, 2009 8:43:48pm |
re: #94 srb1976
I've hear bad things about the Inquisition, but your link has me reexamining what I've been taught...
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Dark_Falcon Tue, Aug 4, 2009 8:43:54pm |
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NJDhockeyfan Tue, Aug 4, 2009 8:44:37pm |
re: #91 Mich-again
Thats the tricky part. If you wait till there is "proof", it might be too late to stop it.
You don't think they were (GULP) wiretapped?
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NelsFree Tue, Aug 4, 2009 8:45:11pm |
re: #62 FurryOldGuyJeans
Judaism and Christianity have their history of bloodshed just as worse as any perpetrated by Muslims, all in the name of their respective religion.
This issue has been discussed numerous times at LGF and in other places. The Old Testament contains passages where God tells the Jewish people to wage war against certain tribes living on land declared by God to be for the Jews. The New Testament does not contain injunctions to inflict violence against non-believers.
The Koran, Sunnah, and many Hadith contain specific statements to wage war (qital, to fight) unbelievers everywhere, on an ongoing basis. Please let's not get bogged down on this again.
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Desert Dog Tue, Aug 4, 2009 8:45:12pm |
re: #94 srb1976
Maybe so, but the christians are not so innocent (Inquisition anyone?)
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FurryOldGuyJeans Tue, Aug 4, 2009 8:45:51pm |
re: #99 NJDhockeyfan
You don't think they were (GULP) wiretapped?
It was never stopped when Obama took office, just lots of talking about it.
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AuntAcid Tue, Aug 4, 2009 8:46:13pm |
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Dark_Falcon Tue, Aug 4, 2009 8:46:19pm |
re: #94 srb1976
Maybe so, but the christians are not so innocent (Inquisition anyone?)
I like this version better:
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Desert Dog Tue, Aug 4, 2009 8:46:48pm |
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srb1976 Tue, Aug 4, 2009 8:47:57pm |
re: #106 Dark_Falcon
Also very good...I just wanted the "Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisition" line...
History of the World Part 1 was hilarious!
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Noam Sayin' Tue, Aug 4, 2009 8:47:59pm |
At least 4 dead, 10 wounded in mass shooting at Collier gym
Sorry if this has been posted. Seemed important enough to double.
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hous bin pharteen Tue, Aug 4, 2009 8:48:01pm |
re: #98 Dark_Falcon
OH NO!!
That sounds like a new TV show for the fall! Do not give Hollywood any new ideas!
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Walter L. Newton Tue, Aug 4, 2009 8:48:24pm |
re: #94 srb1976
Maybe so, but the christians are not so innocent (Inquisition anyone?)
Yes, but let's put this to bed, alright. The ANCIENT history of Judaism was replete with incidents of Israel conquering cities, towns and land, and using a religion as a motivation. The same thing can be said of Christianity.
But, that is ancient history. Both religions and associated cultures has had their fair share of "reformations," both religiously and culturally.
Islam has not, and they are still following a desert and tribal cultural mores which don't consort with modern human rights and cultural advancements.
There is NO COMPARISON. Period.
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avanti Tue, Aug 4, 2009 8:48:24pm |
re: #91 Mich-again
Thats the tricky part. If you wait till there is "proof", it might be too late to stop it.
The government had been watching them for 3 years, I hope they can prove intent.
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AuntAcid Tue, Aug 4, 2009 8:49:05pm |
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Shug Tue, Aug 4, 2009 8:49:09pm |
re: #104 FurryOldGuyJeans
It was never stopped when Obama took office, just lots of talking about it.
He doesn't want his legacy to include a couple of thousand ( or lots more ) dead Americans. Good idea
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Mad Al-Jaffee Tue, Aug 4, 2009 8:49:23pm |
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Noam Sayin' Tue, Aug 4, 2009 8:49:31pm |
re: #109 Noam Sayin'
A gunman walked into an aerobics room at a Collier fitness center, turned out the lights and opened fire Tuesday evening, leaving at least four dead and 10 wounded.
Allegheny County police Superintendent Charles Moffatt said "there's a good belief" the dead included the shooter, who witnesses said walked into the LA Fitness center in Great Southern Shopping Center along Washington Pike shortly after 8 p.m.
"He kept firing and firing," said Dennis Curry, 28, of Scott, who said he was working out on an elliptical machine upstairs when he heard the gunfire. "There was chaos. I ran out the back door, saw a girl lying there with a gunshot wound. I put a shirt on her to try and stop (the bleeding). There was blood everywhere."
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Mich-again Tue, Aug 4, 2009 8:49:33pm |
re: #112 avanti
The government had been watching them for 3 years, I hope they can prove intent.
3 years of recorded conversations should be plenty of rope.
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solomonpanting Tue, Aug 4, 2009 8:50:01pm |
And on a related note:
Obama an entry in latest slang dictionary
"obama," meaning cool, as in "You so obama."
Cool means zero?
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FurryOldGuyJeans Tue, Aug 4, 2009 8:51:00pm |
re: #117 Mich-again
3 years of recorded conversations should be plenty of rope.
Would OMO want the country know he yet again broke a campaign promise and kept yet another hated Bush initiative?
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srb1976 Tue, Aug 4, 2009 8:51:29pm |
re: #111 Walter L. Newton
I'm not arguing your point at all...in fact I wholeheartedly agree. (that looks weird, but spell check says it's right).
My point was simply that everyone has their share of bloody history, some are trying to move past it, and some are trying to hang on to it...that being the difference...
(Wow, I hope that came out the way it was supposed to)
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NelsFree Tue, Aug 4, 2009 8:51:49pm |
re: #94 srb1976
Maybe so, but the christians are not so innocent (Inquisition anyone?)
Another canard. One hundred years after Mo's death, two-thirds of the Christain Holy Land was under Muslim control, conquered by force. Names of towns were changed to eliminate their Christian and Jewish history. Jerusalem say the Dome of the Rock built on the ruins of the Jewish temple. Muslims were harassing Christian pilgrims and slowly destroying the Eastern Christian empire. The Crusades were a response to Islamic aggression. There were no Biblical passages to support military action, though. The Pope authorized it to protect the Holy places.
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avanti Tue, Aug 4, 2009 8:52:01pm |
re: #117 Mich-again
3 years of recorded conversations should be plenty of rope.
Yep, all they need is one specific plan on tape.
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Scion9 Tue, Aug 4, 2009 8:52:20pm |
re: #118 solomonpanting
I have a strong feeling that it won't catch on.
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Desert Dog Tue, Aug 4, 2009 8:52:21pm |
re: #118 solomonpanting
And on a related note:
Obama an entry in latest slang dictionary
Cool means zero?
Or, in a Bull Fighting Arena.
"Hey Juan, watch out for all that Obama all over the ground"
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Mich-again Tue, Aug 4, 2009 8:52:49pm |
re: #119 FurryOldGuyJeans
Would OMO want the country know he yet again broke a campaign promise and kept yet another hated Bush initiative?
Not if it worked. Nope, he'll take full credit. Thats what politicians do.
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Shug Tue, Aug 4, 2009 8:53:22pm |
re: #118 solomonpanting
And on a related note:
Obama an entry in latest slang dictionary
Cool means zero?
It replaces "you're so dope"
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FurryOldGuyJeans Tue, Aug 4, 2009 8:53:42pm |
re: #126 Mich-again
Not if it worked. Nope, he'll take full credit. Thats what politicians do.
The far left base would go ballistic, though.
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hous bin pharteen Tue, Aug 4, 2009 8:53:48pm |
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Mich-again Tue, Aug 4, 2009 8:54:00pm |
re: #122 avanti
Yep, all they need is one specific plan on tape.
I think all they really need is enough connect-the-dots to convince a jury.
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srb1976 Tue, Aug 4, 2009 8:54:39pm |
re: #127 Shug
It replaces "you're so dope"
Wishful thinking...almost thought that said "you're such a dope" for a second
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Walter L. Newton Tue, Aug 4, 2009 8:54:46pm |
re: #120 srb1976
I'm not arguing your point at all...in fact I wholeheartedly agree. (that looks weird, but spell check says it's right).
My point was simply that everyone has their share of bloody history, some are trying to move past it, and some are trying to hang on to it...that being the difference...
(Wow, I hope that came out the way it was supposed to)
Yes it did. But it did sound like you were supporting a contemporary comparison between Judaism, Christianity and Islam. Sorry, I read it the wrong way.
But my point still stands. What Judaism and Christianity (and other religions) have done in the historical past has nothing to do with the current state of Islam and it's on going commands from the Koran to CONTINUE to use violence and even death to subdue the planet for Allah.
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swamprat Tue, Aug 4, 2009 8:54:52pm |
re: #18 Desert Dog
Those aren't the Muslims I know...I've heard that before somewhere...where was it??
Stormfront?
'Cause some jihad is an internal struggle for peace, etc.
note the quote:
(from Post 13 on this thread)
ANY kind of Jihadi is a problem
How some guy practicin' the sweetness and light version of internal jihad is a "problem", is beyond my ken.
Now the other kind is a problem.
But I really don't want to hear that bullshit claim that all muslims are evil.
Makes a person sound like an ignorant, small minded, hate filled bigot.
I am sure NelsFree did not mean his comment the way some could take it. Perhaps he did not know of the two types of jihad.
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Mich-again Tue, Aug 4, 2009 8:55:17pm |
re: #128 FurryOldGuyJeans
The far left base would go ballistic, though.
I don't think they matter between election cycles.
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srb1976 Tue, Aug 4, 2009 8:56:43pm |
re: #132 Walter L. Newton
Yes it did. But it did sound like you were supporting a contemporary comparison between Judaism, Christianity and Islam. Sorry, I read it the wrong way.
But my point still stands. What Judaism and Christianity (and other religions) have done in the historical past has nothing to do with the current state of Islam and it's on going commands from the Koran to CONTINUE to use violence and even death to subdue the planet for Allah.
More than likely any misunderstanding is my fault...sometimes I fail to complete a thought = )
The only point I was trying to make is that the difference is more about acceptance of the violence than the history of it...and I didn't say it well
| 138 |
FurryOldGuyJeans Tue, Aug 4, 2009 8:56:43pm |
re: #134 Mich-again
I don't think they matter between election cycles.
Enough turn on him and he will be as successful as Jimmah was at getting re-elected, and there are the mid-term elections coming up that hang in the balance.
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NJDhockeyfan Tue, Aug 4, 2009 8:56:55pm |
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Altermite Tue, Aug 4, 2009 8:59:17pm |
re: #125 Desert Dog
Or, in a Bull Fighting Arena.
"Hey Juan, watch out for all that Obama all over the ground"
Obama means bad matador?
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hous bin pharteen Tue, Aug 4, 2009 9:00:56pm |
re: #132 Walter L. Newton
I agree. I find different religions worth studying. Hindu, Buddhist, etc. Not something to kill over.
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Salamantis Tue, Aug 4, 2009 9:01:56pm |
re: #121 NelsFree
re: #94 srb1976
Maybe so, but the christians are not so innocent (Inquisition anyone?)Another canard. One hundred years after Mo's death, two-thirds of the Christain Holy Land was under Muslim control, conquered by force. Names of towns were changed to eliminate their Christian and Jewish history. Jerusalem say the Dome of the Rock built on the ruins of the Jewish temple. Muslims were harassing Christian pilgrims and slowly destroying the Eastern Christian empire. The Crusades were a response to Islamic aggression. There were no Biblical passages to support military action, though. The Pope authorized it to protect the Holy places.
Someone seems to be confusing the Crusades with the Inquisition. The Crusades are defensible as a response to Islamic aggession; the Inquisition, not so much.
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hous bin pharteen Tue, Aug 4, 2009 9:03:36pm |
re: #135 Fenway_Nation
Be careful! If you turn on the news, you may leave one out that gets the toilet stuck. Then what?
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Dark_Falcon Tue, Aug 4, 2009 9:05:54pm |
re: #142 Salamantis
Someone seems to be confusing the Crusades with the Inquisition. The Crusades are defensible as a response to Islamic aggession; the Inquisition, not so much.
Quite Concur.
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NelsFree Tue, Aug 4, 2009 9:06:10pm |
re: #133 swamprat
How some guy practicin' the sweetness and light version of internal jihad is a "problem", is beyond my ken. Now the other kind is a problem. But I really don't want to hear that bullshit claim that all muslims are evil.
Makes a person sound like an ignorant, small minded, hate filled bigot.
I am sure NelsFree did not mean his comment the way some could take it. Perhaps he did not know of the two types of jihad.
I am aware of the two definitions of Jihad. I am also aware of "nasik wa mansuk" which means "the Abrogators and the Abrogated". Parts of the Koran written during the pre-hejirah phase in Mecca are abrogated by subsequent passages written in Yithrab (Medina) after Hejirah (migration or exodus). It is possible that a Muslim will quote, "there is no compulsion in religion" to a Kafir, even though that verse is null and void.
I do not recall making a claim about all Muslims are evil. I do believe that any accusation about bigotry should be balanced against one's knowledge and experience in a subject. What do you know about Islam?
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swamprat Tue, Aug 4, 2009 9:11:59pm |
re: #145 NelsFree
You said (Comment 13)
ANY kind of Jihadi is a problem. I've talked with some Muslims in the area. When I bring up the "contentious issues" of death and violence, they typically lie.
Now, not all muslims are jihadi, and some jihad is internal, and some is violent.
Please explain how internal jihad is a problem.
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esch Tue, Aug 4, 2009 9:12:44pm |
re: #75 Macker
BTW folks, Ramadan starts on the 22nd of this month.
Yep apparently my oldest's bf is taking off for the ME to celebrate it.
Here's to hoping he doesn't come back.
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esch Tue, Aug 4, 2009 9:14:59pm |
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NelsFree Tue, Aug 4, 2009 9:15:47pm |
I thank Salamantis and Dark Falcon for pointing out my veering off on topic. I am not as familiar with the Inquisition as with the Crusades. The Inquisition was not justified on a Biblical basis, either. I think I was going to discuss both and inadvertantly stopped after the Crusades. Since it's late, I think I need to retire and try again tomorrow. Thank you all for a free exchange of ideas. Any contention should be handled in a respectful way, without the 'seething' common to the intolerant Muslim populations. Differences of viewpoint should always be supported by facts. Perhaps Furry Old Guy Jeans should research history so as to better inform himself about the major religions.
Good night all.
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Shug Tue, Aug 4, 2009 9:18:08pm |
How art thou, thou globby bottle of cheap, stinking chip oil?
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hous bin pharteen Tue, Aug 4, 2009 9:18:12pm |
Why worry about jihad now? [Link: www.frontpagemag.com...]
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swamprat Tue, Aug 4, 2009 9:19:42pm |
re: #145 NelsFree
I am aware of the two definitions of Jihad.
And both kinds are practiced.
Internal jihad is not abrogated.
Please explain how internal jihad is a "problem".
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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Aug 4, 2009 9:20:34pm |
re: #26 A Kiwi Infidel
We have a saying down here:
"Dogs dont shit in their own backyard"
I have owned dogs. That's not actually true.
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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Aug 4, 2009 9:22:30pm |
re: #53 FurryOldGuyJeans
Present day Muslims are no worse than Temple days Jews or pre-Reformation Christians.
Pre-Englightenment Christians, and even then you might get an argument. The sixteenth and seventeenth centuries were UGGGLY.
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A Kiwi Infidel Tue, Aug 4, 2009 9:22:40pm |
re: #153 SanFranciscoZionist
I have owned dogs. That's not actually true.
I know, but it a saying, here, wherein gangs and crims dont steal from their neighbourhood but from one further away so as not to attract attention to themselves, well, at least the cleverer of them (oxymoron, I know).
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funky chicken Tue, Aug 4, 2009 9:29:27pm |
re: #33 Mich-again
From the indictment..
The whole indictment reads like that. A timeline of the accused ones' travels abroad to attempt to wage violent jihad, intermingled with the records of purchases of weapons back home. It seems kind of odd to me that the Feds were watching this all unfold. Yep, he's buying another weapon. Check. They must have been in a ready mode all that time.
interesting timeline...a weapon a week
it seems like it would be difficult to get the rifles into another country, unless they recently came up with an alternative mode of transportation. I can just imagine the Lufthansa baggage handlers/X-ray machine operators getting an eyefull of that...
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yenta-fada Tue, Aug 4, 2009 9:34:22pm |
When I see a pair of women's eyes sticking out from a couple of yards of cloth, all I can think is 'you're not from around here'. Why would you live like that if you are not forced to? Women are NOT chattel in the West. Don't bring your primitive practices where women have fought long and hard to get the vote and develop economic independence.
It's a spit in the face. Nothing less.
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swamprat Tue, Aug 4, 2009 9:38:34pm |
re: #157 yenta-fada
How do you feel about a yamika? or a babushka?
Do any other ethnic apparel inspire rage?
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yenta-fada Tue, Aug 4, 2009 9:41:46pm |
re: #158 swamprat
How do you feel about a yamika? or a babushka?
Do any other ethnic apparel inspire rage?
You know that largely symbolic clothing and/or accessories are not the same as being completely cut off from the world around you. How would you like to not be allowed out of the house without some punky nephew (as I've seen in malls around Toronto) or have your husband's permission to step out the front door. No comparison. Headscarf, no big deal.
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meeshlr Tue, Aug 4, 2009 10:00:16pm |
re: #157 yenta-fada
When I see a pair of women's eyes sticking out from a couple of yards of cloth, all I can think is 'you're not from around here'. Why would you live like that if you are not forced to? Women are NOT chattel in the West. Don't bring your primitive practices where women have fought long and hard to get the vote and develop economic independence.
It's a spit in the face. Nothing less.
What's amazing to me is that quite a few of them are "from around here." Did you watch the video? Looks to me as if the wives are converts as well. How could a woman raised in America choose to convert to Islam AND to wear the niqab or burqa?
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yenta-fada Tue, Aug 4, 2009 10:08:32pm |
re: #160 meeshlr
Can't imagine why young women would convert to such an extreme practice. Identity crisis, shame based self-image, love, (or some version of it), poor parenting, gullibility, distorted idealism, rejection of Western culture? Having free will allows you to make strange choices. Lots of cults out there too.
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solomonpanting Tue, Aug 4, 2009 10:11:20pm |
re: #160 meeshlr
AND to wear the niqab or burqa?
It definitely saves time about wondering what to wear when dressing for the day.
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rumcrook Tue, Aug 4, 2009 10:46:40pm |
re: #132 Walter L. Newton
I would add one other thing to what you said, that is, in the new testament you will find not one passage or saying by jesus glorifying or exhorting his followers to cut off other peoples heads, or justifiying murder.
you will find mohamad doing that.
what ever evils have been done in the name of jesus were not done with his approval.
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pbird Tue, Aug 4, 2009 10:47:23pm |
re: #163 rumcrook
I would add one other thing to what you said, that is, in the new testament you will find not one passage or saying by jesus glorifying or exhorting his followers to cut off other peoples heads, or justifiying murder.
you will find mohamad doing that.
what ever evils have been done in the name of jesus were not done with his approval.
Absolutely.
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