An incredible new 12.1 megapixel digital camera from Nikon has an ultra-small built-in projector capable of beaming images from 5 to 40 inches in size, with a brightness rating of 10 lumens: Nikon Coolpix S1000pj 12.1MP Digital Camera with Built-in Projector and 5x Wide Angle Optical Vibration Reduction (VR) Zoom.
Nikon’s promo film:
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Shug Tue, Aug 4, 2009 8:58:36pm |
WOW that thing is amazing!
At 1:11 in the before and after shots of that little girl , it actually made her Smile in the after image
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Noam Sayin' Tue, Aug 4, 2009 8:58:42pm |
Photoshop. The guy's moving but the picture on the wall isn't.
/yeah, I know it's a commercial.
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Last Mohican Tue, Aug 4, 2009 8:58:48pm |
Well, it's definitely a cool toy. But can't I already "show my pictures to anyone, anytime, anywhere" just by showing them the LCD screen on the back of my camera?
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Desert Dog Tue, Aug 4, 2009 8:59:49pm |
I know, OT in the first few threads, but I just saw this on BBC
Released Journalists on the way home with President Clinton.
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FurryOldGuyJeans Tue, Aug 4, 2009 9:00:07pm |
re: #6 Last Mohican
Well, it's definitely a cool toy. But can't I already "show my pictures to anyone, anytime, anywhere" just by showing them the LCD screen on the back of my camera?
Hard to bore a crowd of relatives with your vacation pictures one at a time your way.
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Desert Dog Tue, Aug 4, 2009 9:01:22pm |
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srb1976 Tue, Aug 4, 2009 9:02:12pm |
re: #10 Desert Dog
Duh-O! That's what I get for not checking!
Don't feel bad...this is the first I've heard of it either
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pegcity Tue, Aug 4, 2009 9:03:21pm |
i remember them showing this tech off at the consumer electronics show in 2007
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karmic_inquisitor Tue, Aug 4, 2009 9:03:39pm |
Now there will be no escape -
You can no longer escape the obnoxious neighboor who must show you the pictures from the last vacation. You will be trapped - like a timeshare presentation. The slideshow will grind on and on - "Oh - and here is little Jimmy going down the water slide! Isn't he just so cute?!" They will trap you in your own home. Use your own walls. Life as we knew it is over.
/
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jaunte Tue, Aug 4, 2009 9:03:52pm |
I was wondering why Nikon cameras have Nikkor lenses:
The Nikkor brand was introduced by Nippon Kogaku K.K. (Nikon's original corporate name) in 1932. Nikon originally reserved the Nikkor designation for its highest-quality imaging optics, but in recent history almost all Nikon lenses are so branded.
[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]
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Last Mohican Tue, Aug 4, 2009 9:04:21pm |
re: #5 Noam Sayin'
Photoshop. The guy's moving but the picture on the wall isn't.
/yeah, I know it's a commercial.
Yeah, at 0:32, the guy holding the camera is moving it all around, but the "projected image" isn't moving at all! Plus there's a weird irregular dark border around the projected image -- I can't imagine why or how the camera would do that.
At the end, there's some fine print that says "Projected images may look different in actual use. Images and monitor information are for illustrative purposes only." I'm still really curious. I guess I'm gonna have to go down to an actual store and see how good the projected images really look.
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Noam Sayin' Tue, Aug 4, 2009 9:04:33pm |
I imagine a video camera with the same feature is not far behind.
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FurryOldGuyJeans Tue, Aug 4, 2009 9:04:37pm |
re: #13 karmic_inquisitor
Now there will be no escape -
You can no longer escape the obnoxious neighboor who must show you the pictures from the last vacation. You will be trapped - like a timeshare presentation. The slideshow will grind on and on - "Oh - and here is little Jimmy going down the water slide! Isn't he just so cute?!" They will trap you in your own home. Use your own walls. Life as we knew it is over.
/
AHEM! #8 ;)
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Last Mohican Tue, Aug 4, 2009 9:05:37pm |
re: #8 FurryOldGuyJeans
Hard to bore a crowd of relatives with your vacation pictures one at a time your way.
Yeah, that's a good point. Now I can trap the cousin who formerly would sit in the back of the crowd, saying "yeah, that's great, really great" even though he couldn't actually see the little pictures on my camera at all.
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Noam Sayin' Tue, Aug 4, 2009 9:05:38pm |
re: #15 Last Mohican
You know that's going to be demo'd in every store this Christmas season.
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Charles Johnson Tue, Aug 4, 2009 9:07:04pm |
re: #16 Noam Sayin'
I imagine a video camera with the same feature is not far behind.
This camera shoots video too...
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Dark_Falcon Tue, Aug 4, 2009 9:07:59pm |
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FurryOldGuyJeans Tue, Aug 4, 2009 9:08:19pm |
re: #21 Charles
This camera shoots video too...
Oh, a real easy way to trap those recalcitrant relatives, show 'em vacation videos.
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Last Mohican Tue, Aug 4, 2009 9:08:35pm |
re: #21 Charles
This camera shoots video too...
Do you know if it can project video? My guess is no, or they would have shown that in the promo.
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HelloDare Tue, Aug 4, 2009 9:08:42pm |
Cool. Now you can project a photo of a horses butt onto Al Franken's head.
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Dancing along the light of day Tue, Aug 4, 2009 9:08:47pm |
Nikon products are so great!
Now, if they'd just get to be user friendly!
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FurryOldGuyJeans Tue, Aug 4, 2009 9:09:14pm |
re: #26 HelloDare
Cool. Now you can project a photo of a horses butt onto Al Franken's head.
There would be no change of appearance.
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avanti Tue, Aug 4, 2009 9:09:33pm |
Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic.
Arthur C. Clarke
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FurryOldGuyJeans Tue, Aug 4, 2009 9:09:46pm |
re: #27 Floral Giraffe
Nikon products are so great!
Now, if they'd just get to be user friendly!
What? You want something even Microsoft can't produce?!?
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Charles Johnson Tue, Aug 4, 2009 9:10:40pm |
re: #25 Last Mohican
Do you know if it can project video? My guess is no, or they would have shown that in the promo.
Yes -- the description at the Amazon link above says both photos and video can be projected.
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Last Mohican Tue, Aug 4, 2009 9:11:50pm |
You know what this is for? This is for sneaking into the bathroom between periods, taking photos of various lewd things, and then later projecting them onto your teacher's back while he or she has turned to face the chalkboard.
If I were the NEA, I'd be lobbying against this thing.
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HelloDare Tue, Aug 4, 2009 9:11:55pm |
Also makes a good flashlight. What's the battery life?
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Dancing along the light of day Tue, Aug 4, 2009 9:12:12pm |
re: #30 FurryOldGuyJeans
Both companies COULD produce user friendly products, IF they really wanted to. Big IF.
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legalpad Tue, Aug 4, 2009 9:12:14pm |
re: #25 Last Mohican
Do you know if it can project video? My guess is no, or they would have shown that in the promo.
My son has a camera that does that. We have Iraq missions in video on my computer. That was his 2004 tour. I think they can do it in some cameras today.
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legalpad Tue, Aug 4, 2009 9:13:48pm |
re: #35 legalpad
My son has a camera that does that. We have Iraq missions in video on my computer. That was his 2004 tour. I think they can do it in some cameras today.
Whoops- no - not project -
reading more carefully in the future -
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FurryOldGuyJeans Tue, Aug 4, 2009 9:14:27pm |
re: #34 Floral Giraffe
Both companies COULD produce user friendly products, IF they really wanted to. Big IF.
The problem in the case of MS would be all the money lost from people having to get all the MS certifications. Those things are a HUGE revenue stream.
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HelloDare Tue, Aug 4, 2009 9:14:46pm |
re: #26 HelloDare
Cool. Now you can project a photo of a horses butt onto Al Franken's head.
Or vice versa.
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Last Mohican Tue, Aug 4, 2009 9:14:50pm |
re: #31 Charles
Yes -- the description at the Amazon link above says both photos and video can be projected.
Okay, it's getting cooler...
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srb1976 Tue, Aug 4, 2009 9:15:32pm |
OT/
There is something very strange going on with our power here...lights keep flickering and answering machine keeps resetting, but no breakers tripping or real power outage...kinda freaky
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FurryOldGuyJeans Tue, Aug 4, 2009 9:15:54pm |
re: #39 HelloDare
Or vice versa.
One would be an improvement, the other an insult. Horses don't react well to being insulted.
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Last Mohican Tue, Aug 4, 2009 9:16:12pm |
re: #41 srb1976
OT/
There is something very strange going on with our power here...lights keep flickering and answering machine keeps resetting, but no breakers tripping or real power outage...kinda freaky
Rolling brownout?
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FurryOldGuyJeans Tue, Aug 4, 2009 9:16:50pm |
re: #41 srb1976
OT/
There is something very strange going on with our power here...lights keep flickering and answering machine keeps resetting, but no breakers tripping or real power outage...kinda freaky
That happens here all the time. Freaks out my video conversion software.
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Noam Sayin' Tue, Aug 4, 2009 9:17:27pm |
re: #21 Charles
D'oh! I should have considered that - seeing as my Canon Powershot A620 does.
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Bobblehead Tue, Aug 4, 2009 9:17:52pm |
Speaking of pictures:
Norks sends out
their most appropriate drill team
to greet Bill Clinton
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Dark_Falcon Tue, Aug 4, 2009 9:19:40pm |
re: #46 Bobblehead
Speaking of pictures:
Norks sends out
their most appropriate drill team
to greet Bill Clinton
They'd need kneepads to be his favorite team.
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FurryOldGuyJeans Tue, Aug 4, 2009 9:20:14pm |
re: #46 Bobblehead
Speaking of pictures:
Norks sends out
their most appropriate drill team
to greet Bill Clinton
Where's the cigars?
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srb1976 Tue, Aug 4, 2009 9:20:25pm |
re: #43 Last Mohican
Rolling brownout?
I don't know...I suspect better half has been tinkering with the power to his shop again (although he didn't do anything today)
All I'm sure of is that nothing is on fire, and I don't have to reset the clocks = )
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avanti Tue, Aug 4, 2009 9:21:06pm |
re: #46 Bobblehead
Speaking of pictures:
Norks sends out
their most appropriate drill team
to greet Bill Clinton
Ah yes, the Norkettes.
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pink freud Tue, Aug 4, 2009 9:21:29pm |
re: #32 Last Mohican
You know what this is for? This is for sneaking into the bathroom between periods, taking photos of various lewd things, and then later projecting them onto your teacher's back while he or she has turned to face the chalkboard.
If I were the NEA, I'd be lobbying against this thing.
Little Jimmy, is that you?
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esch Tue, Aug 4, 2009 9:22:06pm |
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NJDhockeyfan Tue, Aug 4, 2009 9:23:06pm |
re: #41 srb1976
OT/
There is something very strange going on with our power here...lights keep flickering and answering machine keeps resetting, but no breakers tripping or real power outage...kinda freaky
Sounds like what happened in the movie Close Encounters of the Third Kind.
Did ya go outside and look up?
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jcm Tue, Aug 4, 2009 9:24:08pm |
re: #46 Bobblehead
Speaking of pictures:
Norks sends out
their most appropriate drill team
to greet Bill Clinton
How they get Bill to come back?
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Last Mohican Tue, Aug 4, 2009 9:24:24pm |
re: #41 srb1976
OT/
There is something very strange going on with our power here...lights keep flickering and answering machine keeps resetting, but no breakers tripping or real power outage...kinda freaky
Wait a second. You didn't by any chance disobey Glenn Beck's instructions and click on that CARS.gov site, did you?
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FurryOldGuyJeans Tue, Aug 4, 2009 9:24:27pm |
re: #53 NJDhockeyfan
Sounds like what happened in the movie Close Encounters of the Third Kind.
Did ya go outside and look up?
Make sure you wear your tinfoil hat like they did in Signs.
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Bobblehead Tue, Aug 4, 2009 9:25:33pm |
re: #54 jcm
How they get Bill to come back?
Exactly! Of course they are carrying some mighty big swords. He'll need to be careful, very careful.
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FurryOldGuyJeans Tue, Aug 4, 2009 9:26:03pm |
re: #56 FurryOldGuyJeans
Make sure you wear your tinfoil hat like they did in Signs.
Is he off his-anti-stupidity meds again?
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jcm Tue, Aug 4, 2009 9:26:17pm |
re: #41 srb1976
OT/
There is something very strange going on with our power here...lights keep flickering and answering machine keeps resetting, but no breakers tripping or real power outage...kinda freaky
Any black helicopters hovering outside?
;-P
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srb1976 Tue, Aug 4, 2009 9:26:30pm |
re: #53 NJDhockeyfan
Sounds like what happened in the movie Close Encounters of the Third Kind.
Did ya go outside and look up?
Actually, yeah...but nothing there...disappointing really
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FurryOldGuyJeans Tue, Aug 4, 2009 9:27:16pm |
re: #59 jcm
Any black helicopters hovering outside?
;-P
As a matter of fact there are a few fly-overs happening in the area right now from the Air Force base.
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srb1976 Tue, Aug 4, 2009 9:27:33pm |
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FurryOldGuyJeans Tue, Aug 4, 2009 9:28:06pm |
re: #60 srb1976
Actually, yeah...but nothing there...disappointing really
That is just the false memory they planted after they did their probe.
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Bobblehead Tue, Aug 4, 2009 9:28:13pm |
re: #53 NJDhockeyfan
Sounds like what happened in the movie Close Encounters of the Third Kind.
Did ya go outside and look up?
The internet snitches are staging an operations test. Looks like srb is a prime target.
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jcm Tue, Aug 4, 2009 9:28:33pm |
re: #57 Bobblehead
Exactly! Of course they are carrying some mighty big swords. He'll need to be careful, very careful.
I'm partial to Pyongyang's Traffic signals myself...
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FurryOldGuyJeans Tue, Aug 4, 2009 9:28:49pm |
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mattm Tue, Aug 4, 2009 9:29:40pm |
OT
2009/10 Hybrids now in Cash for Clunkers
[Link: www.edmunds.com...]
Glad we got those gas guzzlers off the road.
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Last Mohican Tue, Aug 4, 2009 9:31:00pm |
re: #67 mattm
I think that's the list of new vehicles that you can purchase, not the list of old vehicles that you can trade in, isn't it?
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FurryOldGuyJeans Tue, Aug 4, 2009 9:31:13pm |
re: #67 mattm
OT
2009/10 Hybrids now in Cash for Clunkers
[Link: www.edmunds.com...]
Glad we got those gas guzzlers off the road.
Can't let anyone drive a non-Government Motors vehicle. And we get taxed for the privilege of upgrading everyone.
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Shug Tue, Aug 4, 2009 9:32:03pm |
re: #67 mattm
OT
2009/10 Hybrids now in Cash for Clunkers
[Link: www.edmunds.com...]
Glad we got those gas guzzlers off the road.
the hybrids are the new cars not the clunkers
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srb1976 Tue, Aug 4, 2009 9:32:03pm |
re: #67 mattm
OT
2009/10 Hybrids now in Cash for Clunkers
[Link: www.edmunds.com...]
Glad we got those gas guzzlers off the road.
Maybe scrapping all these perfectly good cars will drive steel scrap prices down? (trying to find a bright side)
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jaunte Tue, Aug 4, 2009 9:32:28pm |
re: #68 Last Mohican
I think that's the list of new vehicles that you can purchase, not the list of old vehicles that you can trade in, isn't it?
Yup.
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Last Mohican Tue, Aug 4, 2009 9:34:56pm |
re: #72 jaunte
Yup.
It's the first time I've seen the list.
How is it that rewarding people for buying a Chevy Suburban is supposed to reduce fuel consumption again?
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jaunte Tue, Aug 4, 2009 9:35:50pm |
re: #73 Last Mohican
I'm not smart enough to be a Congressman, but I think it's a really dumb program.
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Sharmuta Tue, Aug 4, 2009 9:37:22pm |
re: #75 jaunte
I'm not smart enough to be a Congressman, but I think it's a really dumb program.
You're too smart to be a Congressman.
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Shug Tue, Aug 4, 2009 9:37:55pm |
90 dollars for a plain cheese pizza
an even bigger rip off than Roy Williams.
LOL
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Dark_Falcon Tue, Aug 4, 2009 9:38:04pm |
re: #66 FurryOldGuyJeans
Considering I got the wrong quote, I was asking about Beck.
Actually, when he was on O'Reilly tonight Beck was surprisingly well behaved. He even managed to be rational about Bill Clinton. I suspect that O'Reilly's staff quietly gave Beck an injection of anti-psychotics. Hopefully, they last for a few days.
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realwest Tue, Aug 4, 2009 9:38:47pm |
Evening y'all - may need a little tech help here with my computer - any volunteers?
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FurryOldGuyJeans Tue, Aug 4, 2009 9:39:16pm |
Government Motors can't keep an inventory, government runs a program that runs out in days instead of the months originally planned for. So far nothing assures me all the other programs OMO wants to run will be even as efficient as what they already have their fingers in.
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esch Tue, Aug 4, 2009 9:39:18pm |
re: #71 srb1976
Man was RAH a freaking genius. Excerpt from Door into Summer(1957):
But I got along. The job I found was crushing new ground limousines so that they could be shipped back to Pittsburgh as scrap. Cadillacs, Chryslers, Eisenhowers, Lincolns-all sorts of great, big, new powerful turbobuggies without a kilometer on their clocks. Drive `em between the jaws, then crunch! smash! Crash!-scrap iron for blast furnaces.
It hurt me at first, since I was riding the Ways to work and didn't own so much as a gravJumper. I expressed my opinion of it and almost lost my job . . . until the shift boss remembered that I was a Sleeper and really didn't understand.
"It's a simple matter of economics, son. These are surplus cars the government has accepted as security against price-support loans. They're two years old now and they can never be sold, so the government junks them and sells them back to the steel industry. You can't run a blast furnace just on ore; you have to have scrap iron as well. You ought to know that even if you are a Sleeper. Matter of fact, with high-grade ore so scarce, there's more and more demand for scrap. The steel industry needs these cars."
"But why build them in the first place if they can't be sold? It seems wasteful."
"It just seems wasteful. You want to throw people out of work? You want to run down the standard of living?"
"Well, why not ship them abroad? It seems to me they could get more for them on the open market abroad than they are worth as Scrap."
"What!-and ruin the export market? Besides, if we started dumping cars abroad we'd get everybody sore at us-Japan, France, Germany, Great Asia, everybody. What are you aiming to do? Start a war?" He sighed and went on in a fatherly tone. "You go down to the public library and draw out some books. You don't have any right to opinions on these things until you know something about them."
Emphasis mine.
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Killgore Trout Tue, Aug 4, 2009 9:39:39pm |
I just finished watching more videos of crazy wing nuts disrupting town hall meetings. Not good. We're screwed.
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mattm Tue, Aug 4, 2009 9:39:44pm |
re: #72 jaunte
Yup.
My mistake. But look at what is ON the list, I see Suburbans, Dodge Rams, Explorers, F-150/250's, and the H3 HUMMER.
Hmmm...maybe time to get the government to buy me a HUMMER.
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Dancing along the light of day Tue, Aug 4, 2009 9:40:00pm |
re: #80 realwest
Hi Realwest!
I'm a techtard, but can give a mean (hug) to you!
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Dark_Falcon Tue, Aug 4, 2009 9:40:02pm |
re: #77 Shug
90 dollars for a plain cheese pizza
an even bigger rip off than Roy Williams.
LOL
I think I'd rather stay home. I don't care how good it is, a pizza would have to be 6 feet wide before I'd think $90 was a fair price for it.
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FurryOldGuyJeans Tue, Aug 4, 2009 9:40:28pm |
re: #78 Dark_Falcon
Actually, when he was on O'Reilly tonight Beck was surprisingly well behaved. He even managed to be rational about Bill Clinton. I suspect that O'Reilly's staff quietly gave Beck an injection of anti-psychotics. Hopefully, they last for a few days.
It probably helped that O'Reilly got read the riot act by Murdoch considering his feud with Olbermann at MSNBC.
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jcm Tue, Aug 4, 2009 9:40:34pm |
re: #80 realwest
Evening y'all - may need a little tech help here with my computer - any volunteers?
SIR!
Ready and willing to help!
SIR!
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NY Nana Tue, Aug 4, 2009 9:40:41pm |
re: #71 srb1976
The tragedy is that they must remove and destroy all the parts, also...and the industry feels it will actually make cars more expensive. I wonder how many cars and their parts were even made in the USA.
/The One is so full of it, his eyes are even brown.
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Last Mohican Tue, Aug 4, 2009 9:41:11pm |
re: #86 Dark_Falcon
I think I'd rather stay home. I don't care how good it is, a pizza would have to be 6 feet wide before I'd think $90 was a fair price for it.
That price is only for pizzas served in the luxury suites, where everyone's on a corporate expense account anyway.
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realwest Tue, Aug 4, 2009 9:41:26pm |
re: #85 Floral Giraffe
Hey there {Floral Giraffe} big hugs back to ya! Wish you were a tech type right now though!
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Dancing along the light of day Tue, Aug 4, 2009 9:41:30pm |
re: #87 Killgore Trout
Oh dear, not your neighbor?
///
Being silly, not mean!
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srb1976 Tue, Aug 4, 2009 9:41:39pm |
re: #82 esch
Great quote, yes he was a genius, and I had almost forgotten that book = )
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FurryOldGuyJeans Tue, Aug 4, 2009 9:41:52pm |
re: #90 NY Nana
The tragedy is that they must remove and destroy all the parts, also...and the industry feels it will actually make cars more expensive. I wonder how many cars and their parts were even made in the USA.
/The One is so full of it, his eyes are even brown.
But if you didn't destroy the parts, it wouldn't be really green, Capitalism be damned.
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pink freud Tue, Aug 4, 2009 9:42:11pm |
re: #92 realwest
Hey there {Floral Giraffe} big hugs back to ya! Wish you were a tech type right now though!
Tell us what's happening, Real. Maybe we can help.
| 97 |
realwest Tue, Aug 4, 2009 9:42:34pm |
re: #89 jcm
LOL!! No jcm, that's NOT the kind of "help" I've been looking for! Thanks anyway!
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jaunte Tue, Aug 4, 2009 9:42:42pm |
re: #90 NY Nana
I understand that some Cubans have a talent for maintaining old cars; maybe we should make an automotive gift to the people of Cuba.
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srb1976 Tue, Aug 4, 2009 9:43:25pm |
re: #89 jcm
I've had days I wished I could do that!
(Wish I could ding it more than once)
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jcm Tue, Aug 4, 2009 9:43:31pm |
re: #95 FurryOldGuyJeans
But if you didn't destroy the parts, it wouldn't be really green, Capitalism be damned.
I estimate some of he "savings" a couple of days ago. Impact of Cash for Clunkers given the size of the US auto fleet on emissions and fuel usage will be negligible.
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Last Mohican Tue, Aug 4, 2009 9:43:36pm |
re: #90 NY Nana
The tragedy is that they must remove and destroy all the parts, also...and the industry feels it will actually make cars more expensive. I wonder how many cars and their parts were even made in the USA.
I think they only need to destroy the engine, not the other parts, right?
| 102 |
Dark_Falcon Tue, Aug 4, 2009 9:43:40pm |
re: #83 Killgore Trout
I just finished watching more videos of crazy wing nuts disrupting town hall meetings. Not good. We're screwed.
Stop panicking Killgore. There are bound be a few kooks, but most of those who are shouting are actually quite sane. People are angry and that anger will provide the pressure needed to send Obamacare to the junkyard.
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Killgore Trout Tue, Aug 4, 2009 9:43:50pm |
re: #93 Floral Giraffe
She does walk around outside without pants on. I guess her size makes getting dressed difficult. It's not pretty.
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Dancing along the light of day Tue, Aug 4, 2009 9:43:51pm |
Cash for clunkers?
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jcm Tue, Aug 4, 2009 9:44:22pm |
re: #97 realwest
LOL!! No jcm, that's NOT the kind of "help" I've been looking for! Thanks anyway!
AWWW!
*safes and secure his weapon*
What's up with your 'puter?
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avanti Tue, Aug 4, 2009 9:44:34pm |
re: #90 NY Nana
The tragedy is that they must remove and destroy all the parts, also...and the industry feels it will actually make cars more expensive. I wonder how many cars and their parts were even made in the USA.
/The One is so full of it, his eyes are even brown.
Only the engine must be destroyed, they can sell most of the rest. Around here, they pull everything off the nicer cars, sometimes even the doors, hood and trunk and just crush the shell.
| 107 |
FurryOldGuyJeans Tue, Aug 4, 2009 9:45:05pm |
re: #100 jcm
I estimate some of he "savings" a couple of days ago. Impact of Cash for Clunkers given the size of the US auto fleet on emissions and fuel usage will be negligible.
This is all smoke and mirrors, fodder for consumption of the worshipful masses.
| 108 |
Dancing along the light of day Tue, Aug 4, 2009 9:45:41pm |
re: #103 Killgore Trout
I guess there is some truth to the saying that "good fences make good neighbors"! I hope yours is a good fence?
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avanti Tue, Aug 4, 2009 9:46:10pm |
re: #80 realwest
Evening y'all - may need a little tech help here with my computer - any volunteers?
Are you getting this:
"I'm afraid. I'm afraid, Dave. Dave, my mind is going. I can feel it. I can feel it. My mind is going. There is no question about it. I can feel it. I can feel it. I can feel it. I'm a... fraid. Good afternoon, gentlemen. I am a HAL 9000 computer. I became operational at the H.A.L. plant in Urbana, Illinois on the 12th of January 1992. My instructor was Mr. Langley, and he taught me to sing a song. If you'd like to hear it I can sing it for you."
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srb1976 Tue, Aug 4, 2009 9:46:22pm |
re: #102 Dark_Falcon
Stop panicking Killgore. There are bound be a few kooks, but most of those who are shouting are actually quite sane. People are angry and that anger will provide the pressure needed to send Obamacare to the junkyard.
We're not allowed to be angry...remember...we have to be quiet and polite
/
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FurryOldGuyJeans Tue, Aug 4, 2009 9:46:25pm |
re: #108 Floral Giraffe
I guess there is some truth to the saying that "good fences make good neighbors"! I hope yours is a good fence?
High would be the operative quality.
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Killgore Trout Tue, Aug 4, 2009 9:46:36pm |
re: #102 Dark_Falcon
People are angry and that anger will provide the pressure needed to send Obamacare to the junkyard.
That's the problem: They're angry. They not smart, they're angry. They're not reasonable, they're angry. They aren't expressing better ideas, they're angry. All anger, no substance. They'll be ignored and will probably turn off more people than anything else.
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jaunte Tue, Aug 4, 2009 9:46:57pm |
re: #80 realwest
Evening y'all - may need a little tech help here with my computer - any volunteers?
Hi realwest; what problems are you having?
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esch Tue, Aug 4, 2009 9:47:41pm |
re: #83 Killgore Trout
I just finished watching more videos of crazy wing nuts disrupting town hall meetings. Not good. We're screwed.
What's the alternative considering the circumstances?
I myself am livid that my fellow citizens would support something so abhorrent and murderous. Lots of people including MYSELF are going to die from the consequences of this bill when the health care system is eviscerated and cost controls are instituted.
That's euthanasia, KT. Ellison is already pimping for it.
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realwest Tue, Aug 4, 2009 9:47:48pm |
re: #96 pink freud
Hey thanks pink - well it's weird. My 'puter seems to be working fine, but every so often it seems to freeze up, especially on my e-mails. Since I'm enslaved to earthlink (unless I want to try a totally different nic and try to catch an open registration) I have to use something called Web Mail, cause Earthlink's prior e-mail service that I used, something called Earthlink TotalAccess doesn't interface with VISTA.
YES! I am running an H/P PC with VISTA - all the bells and whistles and 5 gig RAM. CDW and DVD player.
Anyway I only got this cause the Geek Squad and Best Buy couldn't fix my old XP-Pro.
Problem is sometimes Web mail works and sometimes it doesn't. Also had a slight problem raising LGF tonight.
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Dancing along the light of day Tue, Aug 4, 2009 9:48:08pm |
re: #112 Killgore Trout
Too true. Angry usually = illogical.
(Spock channeling off, now!)
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Dark_Falcon Tue, Aug 4, 2009 9:48:38pm |
re: #97 realwest
LOL!! No jcm, that's NOT the kind of "help" I've been looking for! Thanks anyway!
RealWest, did you see this:
Defense Officials: Russian Subs Patrolling off East Coast of United States
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NY Nana Tue, Aug 4, 2009 9:49:07pm |
re: #95 FurryOldGuyJeans
But if you didn't destroy the parts, it wouldn't be really green, Capitalism be damned.
You forgot your sarc mark! ;)
Actually I feel a bit green, but this kind of green requires a barf bag.
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realwest Tue, Aug 4, 2009 9:49:12pm |
re: #105 jcm
I know how you feel! (about securing your weapon, I mean!).
But see my #96 for a beginning point.
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Sharmuta Tue, Aug 4, 2009 9:49:46pm |
re: #83 Killgore Trout
I just finished watching more videos of crazy wing nuts disrupting town hall meetings. Not good. We're screwed.
The crazies have an advantage because they're more motivated to go to meetings than sane folks.
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avanti Tue, Aug 4, 2009 9:49:49pm |
re: #77 Shug
90 dollars for a plain cheese pizza
an even bigger rip off than Roy Williams.
LOL
I once had a $75.00 Kobe beef hot dog at the casino using my food comp.
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FurryOldGuyJeans Tue, Aug 4, 2009 9:50:24pm |
re: #97 realwest
LOL!! No jcm, that's NOT the kind of "help" I've been looking for! Thanks anyway!
Dang!
/ switches off the 120 Mega-joule electro-magnet.
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Killgore Trout Tue, Aug 4, 2009 9:52:19pm |
Michelle Malkin attempts to excuse the recent right wing poor behavior by linking to videos of libs disrupting "conservative" events...
This is what mob rule looks like
Note the second video is libs disrupting Tancredo's speech at a White Nationalist student group.
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realwest Tue, Aug 4, 2009 9:53:07pm |
re: #117 Dark_Falcon
Yes my friend I did see that, but since I can't fix my own computer and don't swim very well, I don't know what I can do about two Russian attack subs. They were in international waters and so I don't think the Navy can do anything either!
If they were Boomers I'd be more concerned.
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Sharmuta Tue, Aug 4, 2009 9:53:20pm |
re: #126 Killgore Trout
When in doubt, deflect all attention on the enemy. Never claim your own mistakes.
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pink freud Tue, Aug 4, 2009 9:53:23pm |
re: #119 realwest
Well, Realwest, you may be in luck. I have been an earthlink user since 96 and even though it's not my primary server any longer, I do have Earthlink email configuration information for Vista if you want me to try to walk you through it. I see your nic is blue ...may I contact you and we can see if we can get this working for you?
All you will need in order to configure is your username and password.
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Killgore Trout Tue, Aug 4, 2009 9:53:32pm |
re: #114 esch
Yes, the overblown and hysterical counter arguments are a serious obstacle. Nobody pays attention to them.
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avanti Tue, Aug 4, 2009 9:53:32pm |
re: #112 Killgore Trout
That's the problem: They're angry. They not smart, they're angry. They're not reasonable, they're angry. They aren't expressing better ideas, they're angry. All anger, no substance. They'll be ignored and will probably turn off more people than anything else.
That's the way I saw it spun on the news tonight. They talked about a organized campaign by the right to shout down the speakers at the town halls. One group even followed a congressman out to his car. It could backfire, who knows.
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Killgore Trout Tue, Aug 4, 2009 9:54:32pm |
re: #128 Sharmuta
I really wonder how much she know what she's doing.
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Sharmuta Tue, Aug 4, 2009 9:54:51pm |
re: #132 Killgore Trout
I really wonder how much she know what she's doing.
All of it- she's not stupid.
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Ward Cleaver Tue, Aug 4, 2009 9:55:12pm |
Is that a TI DLP Pico projector? They're going into cellphones and other handheld devices.
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esch Tue, Aug 4, 2009 9:55:45pm |
re: #125 Sharmuta
Hyperbole much?
No. I wish it were, Sharm.
I'm lucky to be alive as it is. Destroying my ability to get good medical care and medications is quite literally a death sentence for me. I wasn't expecting to make it to 35, and I know of a number of people who didn't.
Considering all this, I believe I have a right to be angry.
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realwest Tue, Aug 4, 2009 9:55:47pm |
re: #129 pink freud
Well see there's the problem; earthlinks "configuration for Vista" isn't the same as Vista compatible - you can't use it as a regular e-mail send, receive, addy book.
Gah.
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NY Nana Tue, Aug 4, 2009 9:55:50pm |
re: #114 esch
At age 71? We are considered detritus...off to an ice floe to float away...and be gone. We fear so much for our kids and grandkids...they will really be hit, and 2 of my little granddaughters require medical care, ages 7 and 9...and I have not even asked our Dhimmicrat
kids if they regret voting Dummy.
I read something my daughter tweeted, and see that she still loves The One. Gevalt...and she is a very bright woman, except for this one imperfection..
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avanti Tue, Aug 4, 2009 9:56:30pm |
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Dark_Falcon Tue, Aug 4, 2009 9:56:33pm |
re: #112 Killgore Trout
That's the problem: They're angry. They not smart, they're angry. They're not reasonable, they're angry. They aren't expressing better ideas, they're angry. All anger, no substance. They'll be ignored and will probably turn off more people than anything else.
There are plenty of good ideas that have come out of the GOP on Health Care. Senator DeMint was on O"Reilly talking about them and Senator Coburn has been pushing hard also. The key is to support the protesters and in this Dick Morris has the best idea. He's been rattling the cup for donations to put up TV ads opposing Obamacare.
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Killgore Trout Tue, Aug 4, 2009 9:56:36pm |
re: #131 avanti
We'll have to wait and see but I don't think it's going to go well. When the Libs did this stuff a few years ago against the Iraq war. They could mobilize massive marches or a million people and they made no difference. A handful of lunatics at a town hall meeting is just a sideshow.
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esch Tue, Aug 4, 2009 9:57:23pm |
re: #130 Killgore Trout
Yes, the overblown and hysterical counter arguments are a serious obstacle. Nobody pays attention to them.
FUCK YOU
Want a note from my fucking doctor, you arrogant piece of shit?
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Killgore Trout Tue, Aug 4, 2009 9:57:40pm |
re: #133 Sharmuta
You're probably right. She still allows VDARE to post her articles. I think that says a lot.
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Dark_Falcon Tue, Aug 4, 2009 9:57:57pm |
re: #127 realwest
Yes my friend I did see that, but since I can't fix my own computer and don't swim very well, I don't know what I can do about two Russian attack subs. They were in international waters and so I don't think the Navy can do anything either!
If they were Boomers I'd be more concerned.
Just wanted to run it by you. Your instincts are always good so I value your opinions.
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Killgore Trout Tue, Aug 4, 2009 9:58:15pm |
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Dancing along the light of day Tue, Aug 4, 2009 9:58:31pm |
OT, but I AM ON VACATION!
I'm enjoying every minute!
Rant over...
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Sharmuta Tue, Aug 4, 2009 9:58:53pm |
re: #147 esch
I better leave now before I really blow my stack.
Yeah- Congressman Ellison is here with a pillow. Run.
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Last Mohican Tue, Aug 4, 2009 10:00:10pm |
re: #126 Killgore Trout
Michelle Malkin attempts to excuse the recent right wing poor behavior by linking to videos of libs disrupting "conservative" events...
This is what mob rule looks like
Note the second video is libs disrupting Tancredo's speech at a White Nationalist student group.
I've seen videos of left-wing crazies disrupting presentations by rational, credible conservative speakers, too. And I believe there have been several examples of students rioting and destroying things in order to prevent Israeli politicians from being able to speak on college campuses.
I guess I'm saying that there's a point to be made, even if Michelle Malkin isn't picking the best examples to make it. Using intimidation or violence to suppress political speech is wrong.
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srb1976 Tue, Aug 4, 2009 10:00:19pm |
I am resisting the urge to call better half @ the hospital...with any luck he's sleeping,
Unfortunately, I expected to be @ work right now, slept all day and everything, so now, wide awake with nothing to do...
(whining)
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Dancing along the light of day Tue, Aug 4, 2009 10:00:41pm |
re: #150 Killgore Trout
Um, kind sir, please, don't the workers EVER get a break?
///
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jcm Tue, Aug 4, 2009 10:02:53pm |
re: #145 Dark_Falcon
Just wanted to run it by you. Your instincts are always good so I value your opinions.
Russians never have run boomers (SSBNs) or SSGNs (cruise missile boats) up close to our coast, only SSNs. To provocative, boomers could use a depressed trajectory shot of the coast and reduce warning time to a couple of minutes, same with the SSGNs. They have run SSNs, the attack boats up close, testing defenses and scouting.
You can also bet they have shadows, either a 688 class or 21 class.
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Dancing along the light of day Tue, Aug 4, 2009 10:02:54pm |
re: #153 srb1976
Heh! Call the nurses station. You can get there thru the main hospital number, tell them what floor your husband is on. They'll tell you the truth!
(And whether he's awake or not!)
Do NOT remind him what can be done with Jello and a plastic spoon, under ANY circumstances! :)
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Last Mohican Tue, Aug 4, 2009 10:05:00pm |
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srb1976 Tue, Aug 4, 2009 10:05:57pm |
re: #156 Floral Giraffe
Yeah, they've been keeping him pretty busy with tests...I'm just hoping he's got a break...
Not too worried really, just a little at loose ends here...can't sleep, not working...eh
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Sharmuta Tue, Aug 4, 2009 10:06:18pm |
re: #144 Killgore Trout
You're probably right. She still allows VDARE to post her articles. I think that says a lot.
It does for me, anyways.
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iceweasel Tue, Aug 4, 2009 10:06:34pm |
re: #142 Killgore Trout
We'll have to wait and see but I don't think it's going to go well. When the Libs did this stuff a few years ago against the Iraq war. They could mobilize massive marches or a million people and they made no difference. A handful of lunatics at a town hall meeting is just a sideshow.
I wish I shared your optimism. Unfortunately this is well-planned and orchestrated. The GOP and the insurance companies and the pharmaceutical companies now have the summer to whip up fear and opposition, and they're going full speed ahead.
Add to that the resistance to reform on both sides of the aisle...I'm feeling quite pessimistic.
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jaunte Tue, Aug 4, 2009 10:07:45pm |
Re: esch & Killgore:
There is a real reason for anyone with an unusual condition or expensive treatment to be concerned with a move toward a national heath program.
Expensive drugs help pay for research; if the government health care bureaucracy says they are too expensive, they will be phased out for possibly less effective treatments, and less research. The way this happens is clear from looking at national health care programs in other countries. This will affect some people like my daughter, who needs an unusual drug that costs $900 a month to continue breathing. It's not surprising that people get upset at this prospect.
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Dancing along the light of day Tue, Aug 4, 2009 10:08:33pm |
re: #158 srb1976
Now is a good time to pay attention to YOU. For a change!
Do what makes you feel rested. As much as you can.
Especially while the kiddos are snoozing!
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realwest Tue, Aug 4, 2009 10:09:49pm |
Well crap - typical of Vista and Windows -NOW everything seems to be fine.
And re: #130 Killgore Trout - I don't understand you; the language regarding at a once every five years "consultation" on end of life alternatives is still in the healthcare legislation passed by the House. And now Sen. Schumer has said he'd liked the Senate to pass it with bipartisan support but if the Repub's don't go for it, fuck 'em the Dems will just go nuclear, get the majority vote they need and voila! So while esch may not have phrased it really well, I DO think it's a concern. I have what is probably terminal cancer and I'm 64 years old. I TOO wonder how much healthcare will be available for me - radiation thereapy? Maybe a trial with the new drug the Mayo Clinic has come up with which purports to cure prostate cancer, all under Medicare? Or how about my mom - going to be 85 in November, also on Medicare and a type II diabetic. Why are you so POSITIVE that a cost/benfit analysis wouldn't say No treatment either for realwest or his Mom? And if you don't understand why folks are WORRIED about this, just say so.
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srb1976 Tue, Aug 4, 2009 10:10:27pm |
re: #162 Floral Giraffe
Now is a good time to pay attention to YOU. For a change!
Do what makes you feel rested. As much as you can.
Especially while the kiddos are snoozing!
= ), that's sweet! I was thinking, now would be a good time to get some laundry and house cleaning done, since I probably won't be going to work tomorrow either = )
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jaunte Tue, Aug 4, 2009 10:11:25pm |
Goodnight all. Time to get ready for work tomorrow.
Here's a thought from Thomas Sowell:
"To those with the unconstrained vision, to say that people are innately equal, but that vast differences in economic and social results exist, and that privileges are both taken for granted and repaid only in arrogance, is to say that the existing society is intolerably unjust and must be drastically changed. Some would say that such a system must be changed "at all costs" or by "whatever means necessary."
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Dark_Falcon Tue, Aug 4, 2009 10:11:33pm |
re: #155 jcm
Russians never have run boomers (SSBNs) or SSGNs (cruise missile boats) up close to our coast, only SSNs. To provocative, boomers could use a depressed trajectory shot of the coast and reduce warning time to a couple of minutes, same with the SSGNs. They have run SSNs, the attack boats up close, testing defenses and scouting.
You can also bet they have shadows, either a 688 class or 21 class.
I have no doubt they have shadows and I draw comfort from that fact. I'd be surprised if they ever sent boomers though. The Delta IV class is in poor condition. They do have an operational Typhoon and are refitting two others but those don't need to come close. They could hit us from the Barnets Sea.
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Jack Burton Tue, Aug 4, 2009 10:13:14pm |
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jcm Tue, Aug 4, 2009 10:13:25pm |
re: #115 realwest
Hey thanks pink - well it's weird. My 'puter seems to be working fine, but every so often it seems to freeze up, especially on my e-mails. Since I'm enslaved to earthlink (unless I want to try a totally different nic and try to catch an open registration) I have to use something called Web Mail, cause Earthlink's prior e-mail service that I used, something called Earthlink TotalAccess doesn't interface with VISTA.
YES! I am running an H/P PC with VISTA - all the bells and whistles and 5 gig RAM. CDW and DVD player.
Anyway I only got this cause the Geek Squad and Best Buy couldn't fix my old XP-Pro.
Problem is sometimes Web mail works and sometimes it doesn't. Also had a slight problem raising LGF tonight.
So you use a web base email, and it's other web stuff that's hanging up?
Which web browser are you using? Internet Explorer 8 or something else?
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realwest Tue, Aug 4, 2009 10:13:37pm |
Hey y'all - I haven't been around really since the DT today - any thread or comments about the possibility of the Fed's putting a VAT in place?
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realwest Tue, Aug 4, 2009 10:15:44pm |
re: #168 jcm
Hey jcm, I'm using Internet 7 - inadvertantly downloaded IE 8 (it's in Service Pack 2) but got a live person on the phone at HP and she talked me through getting rid of it!
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Dancing along the light of day Tue, Aug 4, 2009 10:16:42pm |
re: #163 realwest
Did you know that you are on the "Special Lizard List" (trademark thiingy goes here). And that IF it can be done, it WILL be done, and the Lizards will help you with it.
So there.
(((RW)))
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iceweasel Tue, Aug 4, 2009 10:21:38pm |
re: #163 realwest
Well crap - typical of Vista and Windows -NOW everything seems to be fine.
And - I don't understand you; the language regarding at a once every five years "consultation" on end of life alternatives is still in the healthcare legislation passed by the House.
Hey RW-- the stuff involving end of life care is all in sec. 1233. All it does is provide for a meeting every 5 years that will be paid for. There's no requirement for the patient to even take them up on it, by the way.
It's a way of ensuring that seniors and others can have those consultations paid for, and if they wish, they'll have assistance in signing orders about their life sustaining treatments, writing a living will, naming a proxy should they be incapacitated, and so on.
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srb1976 Tue, Aug 4, 2009 10:23:07pm |
re: #172 iceweasel
So does that mean you've read more of the bill than the people voting on it?
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capitalist piglet Tue, Aug 4, 2009 10:24:39pm |
re: #142 Killgore Trout
We'll have to wait and see but I don't think it's going to go well. When the Libs did this stuff a few years ago against the Iraq war. They could mobilize massive marches or a million people and they made no difference. A handful of lunatics at a town hall meeting is just a sideshow.
A handful? There is example after example of packed halls of moms, dads, grandparents...all kinds of regular citizens, and they do not WANT this. They probably aren't even all conservatives. This is still America, and we the people still get to tell our government what we want.
I can't believe anyone would want to discourage regular citizens from telling their representatives what they think of this bill.
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realwest Tue, Aug 4, 2009 10:25:28pm |
re: #160 iceweasel Well if y'all would kindly take a look at my #163 above, you might be able to understand MY concerns, personal though they may be, with Obamacare and with Chuck Schumer's threat of ramming it through the Senate, I'm glad that there's SOME oppositon (other than all the damn Senators (8) and congressmen (11) whom I've e-mailed about this problem and have received One Senator's response and one House members response - the Senator Reps my state and is up for re-election in 2010 and the House member rep's my district.
But - I don't understand you're statement that there's resistance to reform on BOTH sides of the aisle?
And although I'm in the Minority Party, I'm personally glad that THIS ONE piece of legistlation WILL get some scrutiny (the Cap and Trade might also) instead of the RUSH, RUSH, RUSH Congress has been given in the past six months.
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jcm Tue, Aug 4, 2009 10:25:39pm |
re: #170 realwest
Hey jcm, I'm using Internet 7 - inadvertantly downloaded IE 8 (it's in Service Pack 2) but got a live person on the phone at HP and she talked me through getting rid of it!
Since your issues seem to be web based, you might think about giving Firefox or Chrome a try and see if it makes a difference.
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Dancing along the light of day Tue, Aug 4, 2009 10:26:21pm |
re: #172 iceweasel
I find the "end of life care" part, well, distressing. This given that my elderly Uncle, who had spent 7.5 years in an Alzheimer's care facility, passed in early July. The "end of life care" STUFF is IMHO decisions that folks who are in need on "end of life care" aren't capable of making.
I'm just revolted about this whole thing.
Soylent green gave these people f*ing ideas.
And now they're making me swear.
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capitalist piglet Tue, Aug 4, 2009 10:28:50pm |
re: #161 jaunte
Re: esch & Killgore:
There is a real reason for anyone with an unusual condition or expensive treatment to be concerned with a move toward a national heath program.
Expensive drugs help pay for research; if the government health care bureaucracy says they are too expensive, they will be phased out for possibly less effective treatments, and less research. The way this happens is clear from looking at national health care programs in other countries. This will affect some people like my daughter, who needs an unusual drug that costs $900 a month to continue breathing. It's not surprising that people get upset at this prospect.
You may know this, but in Oregon, a woman who needed a cancer drug was denied it by their system. They offered her, instead, suicide assistance. The (EVIL) drug company found out about her case, and gave her the drug free of charge.
This is a real concern, for real reasons.
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Dancing along the light of day Tue, Aug 4, 2009 10:30:35pm |
re: #178 capitalist piglet
Thank you for posting that.
I read it somewhere else today.
Apalling isn't a strong enough word.
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Pvt Bin Jammin Tue, Aug 4, 2009 10:32:24pm |
re: #179 Floral Giraffe
Thank you for posting that.
I read it somewhere else today.
Apalling isn't a strong enough word.
Indeed.
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realwest Tue, Aug 4, 2009 10:32:56pm |
re: #172 iceweasel
Yes BUT - why would such consults be necessary AT ALL if the end game wasn't to get some folks - well, frankly, dead and no longer a drag on the healthcare system? I didn' see ANYTHING in that bill (though Lord knows I tried but the damned thing is LONG!) that EXPLICITY PROVIDES that notwithstanding anything contained in Sec. 1233, any and all treatments deemed advisable by the patients DOCTOR will prevail.
I mean (other than the fact that I've paid WAY more into Soc. Sec and Medicare than I will ever live to use up) IF I turn out to be eligible for radiation therapy, I'd have a 90% chance of living 5 years or more. But to get there will cost considerable health care funds and I'm not ever gonna be considered a productive member of society.
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Dancing along the light of day Tue, Aug 4, 2009 10:35:28pm |
re: #181 realwest
I'm not iceweasel, nor did I stay in a holiday inn express last night.
BUT.
I give a mean hug :)
{{{Realwest}}}
So, take that!
And, like it!
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realwest Tue, Aug 4, 2009 10:36:06pm |
re: #176 jcm Well ok, I've tried FF 2 when I had XP and really didn't care for it and have never heard of Chrome but I will look into my friend - thanks!
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realwest Tue, Aug 4, 2009 10:39:38pm |
re: #176 jcm
Ah, an addendum to my #183- does Chrome come with a "web mail" type of application?
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jcm Tue, Aug 4, 2009 10:42:07pm |
re: #178 capitalist piglet
You may know this, but in Oregon, a woman who needed a cancer drug was denied it by their system. They offered her, instead, suicide assistance. The (EVIL) drug company found out about her case, and gave her the drug free of charge.
This is a real concern, for real reasons.
Oregon Health Plan sent her a letter telling her the cancer treatment was not approved.Instead, the letter said, the plan would pay for comfort care, including "physician aid in dying," better known as assisted suicide.
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Dancing along the light of day Tue, Aug 4, 2009 10:42:56pm |
Warren Zevon, werewolves of London.
Put on your dancing shoes!
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jcm Tue, Aug 4, 2009 10:44:21pm |
re: #185 realwest
Ah, an addendum to my #183- does Chrome come with a "web mail" type of application?
Web mail is server side you access via a browser, Chrome or any browser "should" work.
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realwest Tue, Aug 4, 2009 10:49:58pm |
re: #182 Floral Giraffe
I DO LIKE IT {{{Floral Giraffe}}} thank you very much!
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realwest Tue, Aug 4, 2009 10:50:55pm |
re: #189 jcm
Hey thanks a lot jcm, I truly appreciate it!
And tomorrow when I'm more awake, I'll give Chrome a try!
Thanks!
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realwest Tue, Aug 4, 2009 10:52:42pm |
Well, no iceweasel around here - and I asked for her on the next thread - maybe she responded there!
Have a great evening y'all and I hope I get a chance to see you all down the road!
Good night, all
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jcm Tue, Aug 4, 2009 10:53:43pm |
re: #192 realwest
Hey thanks a lot jcm, I truly appreciate it!
And tomorrow when I'm more awake, I'll give Chrome a try!
Thanks!
If it doesn't work you can try another one.
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jcm Tue, Aug 4, 2009 10:54:10pm |
re: #193 realwest
Night Real, God bless you and yours, sleep well.
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iceweasel Tue, Aug 4, 2009 10:54:27pm |
re: #175 realwest
But - I don't understand you're statement that there's resistance to reform on BOTH sides of the aisle?.
Yes, primarily from the Blue Dogs, but there are enough other Dems that are beholden to insurance co's and the like.
I do understand people's concerns about this, but if you look at the language of sec 1233, it's not scary. The reason fro providing the consultations (which are optional btw) is to ensure that the patient is informed of all options, and that the patient's wishes are what's respected. Sadly, many people never make their wishes known, and then it's too late if they become incapactitated.
sec 5a(ii) this is what an "order" is:
‘‘(ii) effectively communicates the individual’s preferences regarding life sustaining treatment, including an indication of the treatment and care desired by the individual.
I did check this out very thoroughly for some friends of mine who are seniors and are very concerned. BTW, so far the AARP has approved this, (so has the AMA) and the AARP would hardly be likely to approve it if it were promoting euthanasia or designed to deny care.
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iceweasel Tue, Aug 4, 2009 10:55:10pm |
re: #193 realwest
Oh shoot-- sorry, I was busy and missed you.
i did just respond and then saw this-- goodnight, take care! good luck with the computer issues too
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capitalist piglet Tue, Aug 4, 2009 11:02:52pm |
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realwest Tue, Aug 4, 2009 11:11:40pm |
re: #196 iceweasel
Um I do understand what you're saying but must be too tired to write clearly. Those consultations - if they are only what you propose - still doesn't deal with my concerns of health care rationing which I elucidated in my #163 above and IF health care rationing ISN'T INTENDED, why couldn't language like that,together with the patients treatment for terminal diseases and other matters shall be made and implemented by the Patient and the Doctor(s), regardless of their cost and the length of life which the patient may have subsequent to such treatment(s). The cost of which will be made based upon the rules CURRENTLY in effect in Medicare? IF THAT IS CONGRESS' INTENTION, SPELLING IT OUT LIKE THAT CAN'T HURT THE HEALTH REFORM BILL THE WAY YOU'VE DESCRIBED SEC. 233 OR ANY OTHER SECTION could it?
I'll check back in with you tomorrow on the next thread over! THANK YOU!
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iceweasel Tue, Aug 4, 2009 11:28:47pm |
re: #199 realwest
Um I do understand what you're saying but must be too tired to write clearly. Those consultations - if they are only what you propose - still doesn't deal with my concerns of health care rationing which I elucidated in my #163 above and IF health care rationing ISN'T INTENDED, why couldn't language like that,together with the patients treatment for terminal diseases and other matters shall be made and implemented by the Patient and the Doctor(s), regardless of their cost and the length of life which the patient may have subsequent to such treatment(s). The cost of which will be made based upon the rules CURRENTLY in effect in Medicare? IF THAT IS CONGRESS' INTENTION, SPELLING IT OUT LIKE THAT CAN'T HURT THE HEALTH REFORM BILL THE WAY YOU'VE DESCRIBED SEC. 233 OR ANY OTHER SECTION could it?
I'll check back in with you tomorrow on the next thread over! THANK YOU!
But it does say that, RW. I'm not exactly sure what you want from the bill. Should it spell out everything it DOESN'T do, to reassure the people who don't understand the language of the bill, don't factcheck, and would rather believe the worst of it, and Obama?
I suggest you read the bill and do your own fact-checking.
BTW, it's also not going to ration healthcare.
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realwest Wed, Aug 5, 2009 6:45:04am |
re: #200 iceweasel
I should read the entire healthcare bill before the Senate even passes IT'S version? Why don't the DEMOCRATIC Congresscritters read it BEFORE they vote on it?
And when it has a provision such as section 233 YES, it should say "notwithstanding the foregoing, there shall be no rationing of healthcare for the eldery or terminally ill and the legal basis for their treatment should be between the patient and the patient's doctors ONLY. Why stick in #233 at all if you're not gonna clarify it UNLESS you intend to ration healthcare.
They can write a fucking 1000 page opus on Health care but can't spare the thirty or so words which would make it clear that terminally ill people and elderly people WILL GET THE HEALTH CARE - NOT EUTHANASIA - if that's what they chose. For crying out loud iceweasel, I DO NOT believe that you are not smart enough to see that if you put in a provision requiring mandatory counseling (and no it's NOT voluntary) about end of life decisions that you necessarily NEED to put in language such as that which I've proposed.
That IS the bottom line with Obamacare - medical treatment for terminal patients (e.g., radiation treatments that might give me a 90% chance of living for 5 more years [during which, let us pray, medical science comes up with some sort of cure] is EXPENSIVE. Caring for the elderly is EXPENSIVE so how do we pay for Obamacare if we still continue to pay for the health care requisite to live in an ever aging population?
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medaura18586 Wed, Aug 5, 2009 7:48:20am |
Late to the thread, as always.
Charles, you're big into cool gadgets. Have you heard of the Gigapan robot and the cool stuff you can do with it? (... such as this)
[Link: gigapan.org...]
My hubby just bought one and is going gaga over it. We need a better camera to make it worth it though.
As for this built-in-projector, well, let's just say 'that don't impress me much,' but that's because my entertainment center is based on a huge wall projector to begin with.
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iceweasel Wed, Aug 5, 2009 9:05:33am |
re: #201 realwest
I should read the entire healthcare bill before the Senate even passes IT'S version?
Yes, if you want to freak out and claim it says things it doesn't say. Yes. Read it.
Otherwise, there is genuinely no point in discussing it-- because you don't want to discuss it. You want to discuss a lunatic fantasy of what it might say, what it might mean. This is like having a conversation about the meaning of a book with a schizophrenic homeless guy who has never even read the book, but is sure it's all about him and about the gubbmint beaming rays into his head.
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medaura18586 Wed, Aug 5, 2009 10:28:52am |
re: #200 iceweasel
But it does say that, RW. I'm not exactly sure what you want from the bill. Should it spell out everything it DOESN'T do, to reassure the people who don't understand the language of the bill, don't factcheck, and would rather believe the worst of it, and Obama?
I suggest you read the bill and do your own fact-checking.
BTW, it's also not going to ration healthcare.
I have not read the entire 1,000+ pages bill, and my jaw would drop if you had either. What I have read are specific highlights, and they are disastrous. Not denying a lot of people on the Right are getting hysterical about it, but this bill is horrible in its own right.
Uh, and it would ration care.
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BethesdaDog Wed, Aug 5, 2009 9:42:49pm |
This would be cooler...
or this
or even this
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