Overnight Open Thread

Charles Johnsonfollow me on twitter
Open • Wed Aug 5, 2009 at 11:28 pm PDT • Views: 133

Everything should be made as simple as possible, but no simpler.

Albert Einstein

Advertisement

1487 comments

  • Comments do not necessarily reflect the views of Little Green Footballs.
  • Obscene, abusive, silly, or annoying remarks may be deleted, but the fact that particular comments remain on the site in no way constitutes an endorsement of their views by Little Green Footballs.
  • Posts that contain phone numbers, street addresses, email addresses or other personal information will also be deleted, as will posts that consist only of a variation on the word, "First!"
  • Comments that advocate violence will be cause for immediate banning with no appeal.
  • Disagreement and debate are welcome, but insults and abuse are not, and may cause your account to be blocked.
  • REMEMBER: posting comments at LGF is a privilege, not a right. Abuse that privilege, and your account will be blocked.

Hide comments | Jump to bottom

1 Sharmuta  Wed, Aug 5, 2009 11:31:06pm
Everything should be made as simple as possible, but no simpler.

Try telling Congress that.

2 Bob Dillon  Wed, Aug 5, 2009 11:31:47pm

You've been invited to Google Voice

That was simple - got a new master number and kept all my other numbers.

Thanks Charles

3 srb1976  Wed, Aug 5, 2009 11:34:00pm

That's good advice for those of us (me) that tend to over-simplify

4 Syrah  Wed, Aug 5, 2009 11:36:41pm
Everything should be made as simple as possible, but no simpler.

— Albert Einstein

Hallelujah and Amen!

5 Dancing along the light of day  Wed, Aug 5, 2009 11:38:17pm

I would like to have Einsteins help figuring out what is truly simple & what isn't!

6 Lawrior  Wed, Aug 5, 2009 11:38:33pm

I'm still listening to the Dawkins interview, currently on part six. That man's patience alone is to be commended. I have already screamed at my monitor several times.

7 freetoken  Wed, Aug 5, 2009 11:39:33pm

HD video is not so simple, but it is beautiful.

Some of my favorites from Vimeo (be sure to click on the videos and watch full screen at HD), which use time lapse recording:

8 pat  Wed, Aug 5, 2009 11:39:37pm

I am told I have a knack to simplify the complex. I wish it were true. lol

9 Dancing along the light of day  Wed, Aug 5, 2009 11:42:12pm

re: #8 pat

I am told I have a knack to simplify the complex. I wish it were true. lol

Better to have the knack to simplify the complex, than the knack to complexify the simple.

Is complexify a word? It should be!

10 Lawrior  Wed, Aug 5, 2009 11:42:57pm

re: #9 Floral Giraffe

Perhaps not currently in the lexicon per se, but governments have shown a natural ability to do just that for years.

11 MrPaulRevere  Wed, Aug 5, 2009 11:43:00pm

re: #9 Floral Giraffe

Sounds like a 'Bushism' to me!!

12 calcajun  Wed, Aug 5, 2009 11:43:52pm

re: #8 pat

I am told I have a knack to simplify the complex. I wish it were true. lol

Especially your name. It's too long./

13 MrPaulRevere  Wed, Aug 5, 2009 11:44:07pm

re: #11 MrPaulRevere

Never misunderestimate the ability to complexify.

14 srb1976  Wed, Aug 5, 2009 11:44:14pm

re: #9 Floral Giraffe

Better to have the knack to simplify the complex, than the knack to complexify the simple.

Is complexify a word? It should be!

I like it! I'll be using "complexify" in a sentence at least once a day until it catches on = )

15 Pianobuff  Wed, Aug 5, 2009 11:45:07pm

Wanted
$10,000 reward.
Schroedinger's Cat.
Dead or Alive

16 calcajun  Wed, Aug 5, 2009 11:46:12pm

re: #15 Pianobuff

Schroedinger's Cat?

Yeah, we can fix that.

17 pat  Wed, Aug 5, 2009 11:47:14pm

re: #9 Floral Giraffe

"Complexify" The use of language, communicative devices, and mathematics to simply the lives of Americans and make them understand the needs of society and the intelligentsia, as opposed to primitive concerns of the masses.


The Democratic Dictionary

18 Pianobuff  Wed, Aug 5, 2009 11:47:14pm

Albert Einstein had been working on his theory of relativity a lot and he was just about finished. He was almost ready to publish his work. However, he was under a lot of stress so he thought he would go on vacation to Mexico.
Albert had a glorious two-week vacation and was having the time of his life. On the last night he was staying there, he decided to take a walk along the beach and watch the sunset.
As he watched the sun go down, he thought of the light of the sun and then the speed of light. You see, he had been using the speed of light in a lot of his calculations but he didn't decided on what symbol to use for it. Greek had been so overused.
Just at that moment, Senior Wensez was also walking along the beach in the opposite direction. Albert caught him out of the corner of his eye and remarked suddenly, "Do you not zink zat zee speed of light is very fast?"
Senior Wensez paused for a moment and replied, "Si."

19 redc1c4  Wed, Aug 5, 2009 11:51:48pm

re: #8 pat

I am told I have a knack to simplify the complex. I wish it were true. lol

i too have a knack for simplifying the complex.

'round these parts we call it a chainsaw.

20 srb1976  Wed, Aug 5, 2009 11:53:39pm

re: #19 redc1c4

i too have a knack for simplifying the complex.

'round these parts we call it a chainsaw.

A chainsaw is probably a very good substitute if explosives are hard to come by = )

21 Dancing along the light of day  Wed, Aug 5, 2009 11:53:53pm

re: #19 redc1c4

LOL!
Hi Red!

22 calcajun  Wed, Aug 5, 2009 11:54:25pm

re: #19 redc1c4

I call it "Mr. Chainsaw". And for more complex problems, there's "Mr. Mossberg"

23 redc1c4  Wed, Aug 5, 2009 11:54:43pm

re: #20 srb1976

A chainsaw is probably a very good substitute if explosives are hard to come by = )

i live in the big city... even chainsaws are suspect.

24 redc1c4  Wed, Aug 5, 2009 11:55:36pm

re: #21 Floral Giraffe

LOL!
Hi Red!

parts is parts... hey yer ownself. hows tricks?

/school suxors.

25 Dancing along the light of day  Wed, Aug 5, 2009 11:55:48pm

Well, I'm just about off.
Packed for the week long vacation.
Gotta get up at O Dark Thirty.
It'll be worth it, lots of fun planned.

So, y'all play nice now...

26 redc1c4  Wed, Aug 5, 2009 11:56:16pm

re: #22 calcajun

I call it "Mr. Chainsaw". And for more complex problems, there's "Mr. Mossberg"

i prefer Mr. Dan Wesson... in his 454 Rhino costume.

27 redc1c4  Wed, Aug 5, 2009 11:56:48pm

re: #25 Floral Giraffe

Well, I'm just about off.
Packed for the week long vacation.
Gotta get up at O Dark Thirty.
It'll be worth it, lots of fun planned.

So, y'all play nice now...

vaya con Elvis!

28 redc1c4  Wed, Aug 5, 2009 11:57:37pm

re: #25 Floral Giraffe

Well, I'm just about off.
Packed for the week long vacation.
Gotta get up at O Dark Thirty.
It'll be worth it, lots of fun planned.

So, y'all play nice now...

btw... wtf is "planned fun"?

29 Dancing along the light of day  Wed, Aug 5, 2009 11:58:38pm

re: #28 redc1c4

btw... wtf is "planned fun"?

Watch out for the wedgies?
They are behind you.
Right about NOW!
;)

30 Sharmuta  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 12:01:47am

Comments: 7,530,010
Today: 0
Yesterday: 4,699

Not often you see that.

31 Dancing along the light of day  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 12:03:02am

re: #28 redc1c4

Silly, it's not "planned fun" that's Obamanasty-ish. It's "fun planned" like doing something fun. Driving north from SF through the Redwood forrest, it's very beautiful. Doesn't look like LA at ALL! It's green. And going to visit friends. It'll be great.

32 redc1c4  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 12:03:32am

re: #29 Floral Giraffe

Watch out for the wedgies?
They are behind you.
Right about NOW!
;)

haha! i just got out of the pool and am poasting n3k1d...

/apologies for the eye damage and such. %-)

33 srb1976  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 12:04:11am

re: #32 redc1c4

haha! i just got out of the pool and am poasting n3k1d...

/apologies for the eye damage and such. %-)

Damn! and me without dollar bills to throw = )

34 Dancing along the light of day  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 12:06:01am

re: #32 redc1c4

PLEASE do fix the latest wedgie.
Thank you, ever so...

Here, have a beer! That'll help!

35 Pianobuff  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 12:08:02am

re: #25 Floral Giraffe

Well, I'm just about off.
Packed for the week long vacation.
Gotta get up at O Dark Thirty.
It'll be worth it, lots of fun planned.

So, y'all play nice now...

Where are you going? Someplace fun I hope.

36 redc1c4  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 12:09:11am

re: #31 Floral Giraffe

Silly, it's not "planned fun" that's Obamanasty-ish. It's "fun planned" like doing something fun. Driving north from SF through the Redwood forrest, it's very beautiful. Doesn't look like LA at ALL! It's green. And going to visit friends. It'll be great.

ah yes... the annual drug run to Mendocino and and points north... get some for me! %-)

37 redc1c4  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 12:10:35am

re: #33 srb1976

Damn! and me without dollar bills to throw = )

your last four meals and various toe nails are more likely...

38 srb1976  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 12:15:40am

re: #37 redc1c4

your last four meals and various toe nails are more likely...

I've been thinking about how to answer that...but all I can come up with is
"I have no response to that" = )

39 gmsc  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 12:16:27am

Don't visit Vegas!

They say this town is built on service? Ha! It's built on service alright. It's also built on dead mobsters. And much like the dead mobsters, the service in this town is buried so fuckin' deep that there's no reasonable chance of you finding in your lifetime!

40 Dancing along the light of day  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 12:18:01am

re: #35 Pianobuff

Driving north from SF through the Redwood forrest, it's very beautiful. Doesn't look like LA at ALL! It's green. And going to visit friends. It'll be great.

And, everything is less expensive! Lower tax rates. Yes, Mendocino & Humbolt County will be driven through, but they don't have roadside stands with dope for sale. That, or we're driving too fast ;)

41 redc1c4  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 12:19:22am

re: #38 srb1976

I've been thinking about how to answer that...but all I can come up with is
"I have no response to that" = )

%-)

42 Dancing along the light of day  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 12:19:30am

M'Kay. Bug on the site.

When I post, then go to upding, I get bounced back to the front page.
Hmmm. Maybe I'm updinging too much?

43 srb1976  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 12:19:55am

re: #39 gmsc

Don't visit Vegas!

They say this town is built on service? Ha! It's built on service alright. It's also built on dead mobsters. And much like the dead mobsters, the service in this town is buried so fuckin' deep that there's no reasonable chance of you finding in your lifetime!

When we lived there, better half always used to say that if someone was nice to you, they wanted something...hang onto your wallet = )

44 redc1c4  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 12:21:26am

school in a few hours...

hasta ya'll and happy trails to the petaled pencil neck geek & company.

L8r!

45 gmsc  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 12:21:45am

re: #43 srb1976

When we lived there, better half always used to say that if someone was nice to you, they wanted something...hang onto your wallet = )

If that's true, then there wasn't a single person today who wanted something from me today. Apparently, my wallet didn't need watching today.

46 Pianobuff  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 12:22:03am

Sounds like a wonderful time. Drive safely and have fun.

Incidentally, your post contained one of the most creative uses of the passive voice I've seen in some time.

47 srb1976  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 12:25:28am

re: #45 gmsc

If that's true, then there wasn't a single person today who wanted something from me today. Apparently, my wallet didn't need watching today.

Eh, your biggest problem is being local...
Nobody's nice to locals, locals do NOT make the world go 'round = )

48 Dancing along the light of day  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 12:28:14am

re: #46 Pianobuff

Sounds like a wonderful time. Drive safely and have fun.

Incidentally, your post contained one of the most creative uses of the passive voice I've seen in some time.

I don't know what "the passive voice" is.
Can you help me out with an explanation?

Vacation will be great.
Beats working!

49 gmsc  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 12:30:17am

re: #47 srb1976

Eh, your biggest problem is being local...
Nobody's nice to locals, locals do NOT make the world go 'round = )

I wonder how much they'd take notice if the locals stopped showing up for work.

50 srb1976  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 12:31:16am

re: #49 gmsc

I wonder how much they'd take notice if the locals stopped showing up for work.

= )
Reminds me of why we left...that, and we wanted to own a house someday (Vegas was expensive!)

51 gmsc  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 12:32:44am

I swear, before I even start getting ready to go to work on Friday, I'm going to call in. Do we have any product to sell? Has the f'in phone bill finally been paid so we can take credit cards again? Can you supply me with what I need to promote the business on my shift?

No? Sorry, I'm sick. Besides, why bother going to work when it's going to take me 3 hours to get home from work anyway?

52 Dancing along the light of day  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 12:35:00am

re: #51 gmsc

Because it is the right thing to do.
And YOU will do it, because it is what you should do.
For yourself, not for anyone else...
(Yes, it still sucks...)

53 Pianobuff  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 12:35:09am

re: #48 Floral Giraffe

I don't know what "the passive voice" is.
Can you help me out with an explanation?

Vacation will be great.
Beats working!

As my mother used to say to me when I was 3 and she was tucking me into bed.

Your a poet
and you didn't know it
but your feet show it...
They're Longfellows

Passive voice - you said this..."Yes, Mendocino & Humbolt County will be driven through, but they don't have roadside stands with dope for sale. That, or we're driving too fast ;)"

Here's a simple active vs. passive voice example.

I wrote the previous post (active)
The last post was written by me (passive)

Hope I explained this ok.

54 gmsc  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 12:38:58am

re: #52 Floral Giraffe

Because it is the right thing to do.
And YOU will do it, because it is what you should do.
For yourself, not for anyone else...
(Yes, it still sucks...)

What's the right thing to do? Go in and sell a product we don't have in stock, and to which I can't attract attention to in the first place because I don't have the promotional materials I need?

I'm sorry, but standing there like an idiot with no money, no ability to promote, limited means to get money should it be offere, and not making money because I'm on commission is not high on my list of things to do.

55 srb1976  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 12:39:52am

re: #54 gmsc

Sounds like a good day to call in sick to me...

56 gmsc  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 12:43:49am

re: #55 srb1976

Sounds like a good day to call in sick to me...

Exactly. The icing on the cake (No surprisingly that day and the 3 hour trip home was not the icing on the cake) was the fact that the business owner's wife was supposed to get the supplies and deliver the stock, as the business owner himself is trying to open up a branch in California.

So what does the wife do? Completely forget the supplies, delivers no restock, AND (here comes the punchline) goes off to join him in California!

They better be real successful opening up that second branch in California, because it might be there only branch if this keeps up.

57 Dancing along the light of day  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 12:44:43am

re: #54 gmsc

Everything I'm typing, isn't sounding right.
You are a good fellow & will do what is best.
THAT I am confident of.

Take care, I wish for the best for you!

58 Dancing along the light of day  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 12:46:46am

re: #53 Pianobuff

I think you did a good job.
I'm just tired, and in need of a break.
Thanks for the info.

Namaste

59 srb1976  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 12:46:50am

re: #56 gmsc


Oh, my!
Sounds horrible, is that normal for them? (I hope not)
Wish you the best of luck anyway!

60 gmsc  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 12:48:25am

re: #57 Floral Giraffe

Everything I'm typing, isn't sounding right.
You are a good fellow & will do what is best.
THAT I am confident of.

Take care, I wish for the best for you!

re: #58 Floral Giraffe

I think you did a good job.
I'm just tired, and in need of a break.
Thanks for the info.

Namaste

No, you sounded just fine, and I appreciate the support. You've caught me when I'm still angry, and still in a mood. Thanks for the support, BTW.

61 Dancing along the light of day  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 12:49:49am

re: #60 gmsc

Sometimes, all you need is love!
{{{gmsc}}}

62 Dancing along the light of day  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 12:51:21am

re: #60 gmsc

BTW, Mom always said "People are the funniest people in the world".
Used to really piss me of, when I'd had a bad day. But you know? Mom was right!

63 gmsc  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 12:51:25am

re: #59 srb1976

Oh, my!
Sounds horrible, is that normal for them? (I hope not)
Wish you the best of luck anyway!

The business owner himself is at least somewhat responsible (he could handle the business more effectively, but that can be said of a lot of business owners). As soon as we at the business heard that the wife was in charge of stocking, we all knew something like this would happen (not this exact thing, but something would fall apart in short order).

She's a friggin' flake. I wouldn't be surprised to find out she forgot to leave someone in charge of taking care of the kids (or assumed that the 5 year old was responsible enough to take care of the 3 year old).

64 gmsc  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 12:52:08am

re: #61 Floral Giraffe

Sometimes, all you need is love!
{{{gmsc}}}

65 Dancing along the light of day  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 12:55:40am

re: #63 gmsc

My first job, I never did figure out.
The biz owners wife was the secretary.
He'd split at 4 pm. She went too.
The rest of the staff sent me, the newbie, off to buy beer.
( I was 16 at the time)
I never figured out if the staff were bad, when the owner was gone because the owner was an asshole.
-OR-
If the owner was an asshole because his staff was bad.

I quit after the first wek.

66 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 1:00:29am

WTF? Okay, so I won't be eating eggs for at least a month.

Can you imagine the unholy shit-storm that would be unleashed if such a product was advertised on TV here in the U.S.? People would go nuts.

67 gmsc  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 1:01:33am

re: #65 Floral Giraffe

My first job, I never did figure out.
The biz owners wife was the secretary.
He'd split at 4 pm. She went too.
The rest of the staff sent me, the newbie, off to buy beer.
( I was 16 at the time)
I never figured out if the staff were bad, when the owner was gone because the owner was an asshole.
-OR-
If the owner was an asshole because his staff was bad.

I quit after the first wek.

In magic, we have a saying. There are no bad tricks, there are only bad magicians. Sometimes I wonder if this applies to employees and managers, as well.

68 srb1976  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 1:03:56am

re: #66 Slumbering Behemoth

WTF? Okay, so I won't be eating eggs for at least a month.

Can you imagine the unholy shit-storm that would be unleashed if such a product was advertised on TV here in the U.S.? People would go nuts.

First...wow...
Second, it's not that we don't advertise "personal" type products here, we just like 'em more...subtle
You've seen the one from trojan haven't you? More of a chick thing but...

69 Dancing along the light of day  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 1:06:04am

Hello, excrement from a Bat's rear private part!!

70 gmsc  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 1:06:09am

re: #55 srb1976

Sounds like a good day to call in sick to me...

Sounds like a good day to call in dead to me!

71 freetoken  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 1:07:38am

re: #66 Slumbering Behemoth

Those crazy Japanese...

The last line is best translated as: "Please have fun!"

72 srb1976  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 1:07:53am

re: #70 gmsc

Sounds like a good day to call in dead to me!

"I won't be in today, there's been death in the family"

"Oh, I'm sorry...whose"

"Mine"

---click---

73 Dancing along the light of day  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 1:08:16am

re: #66 Slumbering Behemoth

I don't down ding easily. But, WTF.
And, I haven't down dinged, yet on this.

74 Syrah  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 1:08:22am

re: #70 gmsc

Sounds like a good day to call in dead to me!

Do you have any leverage?

If you tell them that you will return to work when they get their act together, will they get their act together?

75 BatGuano  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 1:09:21am

re: #67 gmsc

Hi, gmsc. Sorry you had a rotten day(s), especially after a record day you had recently, iirc. You know, I've never known you to be angry; lot of support here. :)

76 Dancing along the light of day  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 1:09:56am

Best wishes, gmsc.
Namaste, alll.

See you in a week!

77 BatGuano  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 1:10:08am

re: #69 Floral Giraffe

Hello, excrement from a Bat's rear private part!!

Ahh, you're making me blush!

78 gmsc  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 1:10:15am

re: #76 Floral Giraffe

Best wishes, gmsc.
Namaste, alll.

See you in a week!

G'Nte, FG! Thanks again!

79 BatGuano  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 1:10:40am

re: #76 Floral Giraffe

Goodnight, Floral!

80 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 1:11:06am

re: #68 srb1976

Yeah, I've seen several Trojan commercials, but none with a full-on.. uh.. banana demonstration.

Honestly, though, I am pretty impressed with that "egg's" elasticity and strength. Considering the country it's being sold in, I bet you can find them pretty cheap in vending machines all over the place.

81 srb1976  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 1:11:35am

re: #76 Floral Giraffe

Best wishes, gmsc.
Namaste, alll.

See you in a week!

Goodnight Floral Giraffe...or checkered capybara...or whatever your name is
= )

82 srb1976  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 1:12:44am

re: #80 Slumbering Behemoth

Yeah, I've seen several Trojan commercials, but none with a full-on.. uh.. banana demonstration.

Honestly, though, I am pretty impressed with that "egg's" elasticity and strength. Considering the country it's being sold in, I bet you can find them pretty cheap in vending machines all over the place.

Like I said...more..."subtle"...
Innuendo over demonstration = )

83 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 1:12:55am

re: #71 freetoken

The last line is best translated as: "Please have fun!"

Yes, because most people need to be reminded to have fun during such activities.
/

84 gmsc  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 1:13:15am

re: #74 Syrah

Do you have any leverage?

If you tell them that you will return to work when they get their act together, will they get their act together?

Actually, considering the low number of employees, and the fact that I can pretty much guarantee that I'll make more than half the total weekly sales amount on my own shift (without working half the shifts), I might have some leverage.

re: #75 BatGuano

Hi, gmsc. Sorry you had a rotten day(s), especially after a record day you had recently, iirc. You know, I've never known you to be angry; lot of support here. :)

Yep - that recent record day was Monday, strangely enough.

If the wife hadn't flaked out, I could've guaranteed at least double the sales I had today , if not much more.

85 Dancing along the light of day  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 1:13:16am

G'Night Lizards. Take care of yourselves. Pay attention to the important things, the rest will take care of itself. Or, not!
{{{hugs}}}

86 srb1976  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 1:14:06am

re: #82 srb1976

Like I said...more..."subtle"...
Innuendo over demonstration = )

And I meant This commercial

87 gmsc  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 1:16:05am

re: #82 srb1976

Like I said...more..."subtle"...
Innuendo over demonstration = )

Yeah, real subtle:

88 gmsc  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 1:17:00am

re: #85 Floral Giraffe

G'Night Lizards. Take care of yourselves. Pay attention to the important things, the rest will take care of itself. Or, not!
{{{hugs}}}

Spend less time sweating the petty things, and more time petting the sweaty things!

89 srb1976  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 1:17:50am

re: #87 gmsc

Yeah, real subtle:


Did you see the commercial he posted? Compared to that...those 2 are the essence of subtle = )

90 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 1:18:27am

re: #73 Floral Giraffe

I don't down ding easily. But, WTF.
And, I haven't down dinged, yet on this.

Down ding away, won't hurt my feelings. I just thought I'd share a strange video I happened upon*.

And why an egg shape? Wouldn't a cylinder or an orb of that material serve the same purpose?

*almost typed "came upon", but considering the context...

91 TheMatrix31  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 1:19:41am

The 21 year old in me is curious.

92 gmsc  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 1:23:03am

OK, he's watched Harry Potter too much, but I can relate:

93 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 1:23:07am

re: #86 srb1976

And I meant This commercial

Heh. Sisters are doin' it for themselves.

94 BatGuano  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 1:25:15am

re: #92 gmsc

Hmmm, The pot looked like CO2 sublimating.

95 srb1976  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 1:25:56am

re: #93 Slumbering Behemoth

Heh. Sisters are doin' it for themselves.

Something like that = )

96 gmsc  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 1:26:23am

re: #94 BatGuano

Hmmm, The pot looked like CO2 sublimating.

Time for 0bamus Rededucatus?
;)

97 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 1:29:02am

Madness?

98 BatGuano  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 1:29:21am

re: #96 gmsc

Time for 0bamus Rededucatus?
;)


Veritatus.

99 gmsc  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 1:31:44am

re: #97 Slumbering Behemoth

Madness?

Did someone say Madness?

100 BatGuano  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 1:33:13am

re: #95 srb1976

I'm a capitalist, but I don't wanna be competetion. I hope it doesn't cook breakfast in the morning.

101 srb1976  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 1:33:27am

re: #97 Slumbering Behemoth

Madness?

Even better half thought that was funny

102 BatGuano  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 1:34:26am

re: #99 gmsc

gmsc, you magnificent Bastard, I was gonna do that!

103 srb1976  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 1:35:29am

re: #100 BatGuano

I'm a capitalist, but I don't wanna be competetion. I hope it doesn't cook breakfast in the morning.

You cook breakfast in the morning? (I usually have to do that too)

104 gmsc  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 1:35:31am

re: #102 BatGuano

gmsc, you magnificent Bastard, I was gonna do that!

Are you forgetting my near-instantaneous access to pretty much every music video out there?
;)

105 BatGuano  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 1:36:45am

re: #100 BatGuano

I don't want competition. PIMF

106 gmsc  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 1:37:08am

I'm trying to find something to make me laugh.

This did it - especially the line, "Imagine! Balloon planets from another people!"

107 callahan23  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 1:37:15am

re: #97 Slumbering Behemoth

Madness?

Ah this movie quote!

108 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 1:39:11am

re: #99 gmsc

I am rather inclined to like this one.

109 callahan23  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 1:39:53am

re: #93 Slumbering Behemoth

Heh. Sisters are doin' it for themselves.

Wasn't that a line from the Weathergirls song 'It's raining men' ?

110 BatGuano  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 1:41:40am

re: #103 srb1976

Yes, I love to cook. It's the only way I can be assured of a good breakfast, lunch or dinner. And it's fun. It's Smetimes stressful depending on who is coming over, but no complaints in 30 years.

111 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 1:42:16am

re: #101 srb1976

Speaking of altered signs, I spotted this website [NSFW] today. Whoever spots Miss Manners next, please pass that on to her.

112 gmsc  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 1:43:24am

re: #109 callahan23

Wasn't that a line from the Weathergirls song 'It's raining men' ?

Frostie prefers Ray Charles:

113 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 1:43:45am

re: #109 callahan23

Wasn't that a line from the Weathergirls song 'It's raining men' ?

Look closely, I've hidden the link in the punctuation. I do that sometimes.
/often

114 srb1976  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 1:44:49am

re: #109 callahan23

Wasn't that a line from the Weathergirls song 'It's raining men' ?

I think it was it's own song...This one

115 BatGuano  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 1:45:44am

re: #104 gmsc

No, you freak of nature. You have mind melded with the internets and all the databases of the world just to make me appear inadequate and useless just as did that finger thingy commercial did. :)

116 gmsc  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 1:47:46am

re: #115 BatGuano

No, you freak of nature. You have mind melded with the internets and all the databases of the world just to make me appear inadequate and useless just as did that finger thingy commercial did. :)

You call a guy who can recall 400 digits of Pi a freak of Nature? You call a guy who can take the date your were born on and instantly name the day of the week on which it fell a freak of nature?

Well . . . yeah.

117 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 1:49:07am

re: #112 gmsc

Ha! When I was a kid, my mom had a bird that would get all excited like that whenever my grandma would sing (usually hymnals).

It did my grandma's ego no good to find that the only other singer that bird got excited for was Miss Piggy from the Muppet Show.

118 srb1976  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 1:49:45am

re: #111 Slumbering Behemoth

Speaking of altered signs, I spotted this website [NSFW] today. Whoever spots Miss Manners next, please pass that on to her.

I kinda like this site...(language warning, but cute animal pics)
Fupenguin

119 srb1976  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 1:50:29am

re: #116 gmsc

You call a guy who can recall 400 digits of Pi a freak of Nature? You call a guy who can take the date your were born on and instantly name the day of the week on which it fell a freak of nature?

Well . . . yeah.

You can do that? The day of the week thing? Cool

120 BatGuano  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 1:50:49am

re: #116 gmsc

Ha! But can you fart Volare?

121 callahan23  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 1:50:54am

re: #113 Slumbering Behemoth

Look closely, I've hidden the link in the punctuation. I do that sometimes.
/often

C'est gènial !

122 gmsc  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 1:52:06am

re: #120 BatGuano

Ha! But can you fart Volare?

Oh - o!

123 BatGuano  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 1:52:11am

re: #121 callahan23

C'est gènial !

Ok. Genital

124 gmsc  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 1:52:28am

BTW

Today in History, August 6th:

Highlights of this day in history: The United States drops an atomic bomb on Hiroshima, Japan during World War II; LBJ signs the Voting Rights Act; Pope Paul VI dies; Scientist Alexander Fleming born; Funk singer Rick James dies.

Other notable August 6th events include:

1787 – Sixty proof sheets of the Constitution of the United States are delivered to the Constitutional Convention.

1819 – Norwich University is founded in Vermont as the first private military school in the United States.

1912 – The Bull Moose Party meets at the Chicago Coliseum.

1926 – Gertrude Ederle becomes first woman to swim across the English Channel.

1926 – Harry Houdini performs his greatest feat, spending 91 minutes underwater in a sealed tank before escaping.

1964 – Prometheus, the world's oldest tree, is cut down.

125 gmsc  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 1:54:38am

re: #119 srb1976

You can do that? The day of the week thing? Cool

Yep - I've stunned a few people with it.

I once worked with a girl who, for her first two weeks, was sure I was Rain Man or something.

126 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 1:54:42am

re: #116 gmsc

Sure, you're a freak of nature. But, we love you so.

127 gmsc  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 1:57:09am

re: #126 Slumbering Behemoth

Sure, you're a freak of nature. But, we love you so.

Not just any freak . . .

re: #124 gmsc

BTW

Today in History, August 6th:

Highlights of this day in history: The United States drops an atomic bomb on Hiroshima, Japan during World War II; LBJ signs the Voting Rights Act; Pope Paul VI dies; Scientist Alexander Fleming born; Funk singer Rick James dies.

. . . but a Superfreak!

/Just doing this becuase BatGuano was going to!

128 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 1:58:26am

re: #121 callahan23

C'est gènial !

Don't be Frenchy with me, Bearnaise!
/wait, doesn't quite work

129 gmsc  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 1:59:11am

re: #128 Slumbering Behemoth

Don't be Frenchy with me, Bearnaise!
/wait, doesn't quite work

Don't get Grey with me, Poupon! (?)

130 srb1976  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 2:00:06am

re: #128 Slumbering Behemoth

Don't be Frenchy with me, Bearnaise!
/wait, doesn't quite work


Saucy dammit! Don't get saucy with me Bearnaise!

131 littleoldlady  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 2:00:08am

Good morning, afternoon, evening *everyone*!™

Fruitcup is on the buffet → → → → →
Help yourselves!

132 BatGuano  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 2:00:14am

re: #127 gmsc


Headphones on.

133 Sharmuta  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 2:00:37am

re: #131 littleoldlady

Thank you, {lol}!

134 BatGuano  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 2:00:54am

re: #131 littleoldlady

Good morning, afternoon, evening *everyone*!™

Fruitcup is on the buffet → → → → →
Help yourselves!

Thank you, littleoldlady!

135 gmsc  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 2:01:44am

re: #131 littleoldlady

Good morning, afternoon, evening *everyone*!™

Fruitcup is on the buffet → → → → →
Help yourselves!

Hiroshima anniversary fruitcake! Yum!

136 callahan23  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 2:01:58am

Good morning Littleoldlady!
Thanks for the fruitcup.
Slurp ... AHHH

137 gmsc  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 2:02:10am

re: #135 gmsc

Hiroshima anniversary fruitcakecup! Yum!

FTFM

138 littleoldlady  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 2:02:49am

Sharmuta! :-)

BatGuano! :-)

gmsc! :-)

callahan! :-)

139 callahan23  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 2:03:09am

re: #135 gmsc

Hiroshima anniversary fruitcake! Yum!

The glow in 'The-Dark-Fruitcup' .

140 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 2:03:29am

Gotta knock off for the night, time to headbutt a pillow.

I've had so little time lately to hang with y'all lately, what with meat-world stuff occupying most of my time. Doesn't mean I don't love y'all (or at least most of you).

Later Lizards.

141 littleoldlady  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 2:03:56am

re: #137 gmsc

It's da bomb!

142 gmsc  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 2:04:00am

re: #140 Slumbering Behemoth

Gotta knock off for the night, time to headbutt a pillow.

I've had so little time lately to hang with y'all lately, what with meat-world stuff occupying most of my time. Doesn't mean I don't love y'all (or at least most of you).

Later Lizards.

G'nite! Enjoy your slumbering, Behemoth!

143 srb1976  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 2:04:16am

re: #131 littleoldlady

Good morning, afternoon, evening *everyone*!™

Fruitcup is on the buffet → → → → →
Help yourselves!

Good morning and thanks for the fruitcup! = )

144 callahan23  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 2:04:33am

re: #140 Slumbering Behemoth

Good night 'n good sleep, SB.

145 gmsc  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 2:04:52am

re: #141 littleoldlady

It's da bomb!

Why were you able to find that so quickly?
;)

146 littleoldlady  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 2:05:19am

Slumbering is actually going to slumber?

/probably shouldn't link that
//half asleep myself :-/

147 BatGuano  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 2:05:38am

re: #125 gmsc

Yep - I've stunned a few people with it.

I once worked with a girl who, for her first two weeks, was sure I was Rain Man or something.

That's interesting. I've been called the same thing but not for my mathematical ability: Just because I remember some things well. But you are a "High Functioning" rain man. :)

/(You know that a candy bar doesn't cost a hundred dollars, right?)

148 littleoldlady  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 2:05:39am

srb! :-)

149 TheMatrix31  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 2:06:03am

Thank you!

150 littleoldlady  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 2:06:07am

re: #145 gmsc

Why were you able to find that so quickly?
;)

All your database belong to me. ;-)

151 littleoldlady  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 2:06:36am

Matrix! :-)

You're welcome!

/that was for me, right? ;-)

152 TheMatrix31  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 2:07:15am

re: #151 littleoldlady

Matrix! :-)

You're welcome!

/that was for me, right? ;-)

Yes, I thought I quoted your post ;)

153 gmsc  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 2:07:51am

re: #147 BatGuano

That's interesting. I've been called the same thing but not for my mathematical ability: Just because I remember some things well. But you are a "High Functioning" rain man. :)

The difference is, I purposely developed that ability. It's not natural. But hey, when you can do it in 3 seconds, it looks natural enough!

Remember, I'm the guy who solves 15 puzzles so that they add up to 30 in every direction, because I figured it was too easy to solve it the other way.

/(You know that a candy bar doesn't cost a hundred dollars, right?)

Well, once you get off the strip, sure . . .

154 gmsc  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 2:11:30am

re: #150 littleoldlady

All your database belong to me. ;-)

Somebody set up you the bomb?

155 BatGuano  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 2:13:14am

re: #153 gmsc

Spent many a hot august night on the strip. I liked Fitzgerald's (downtown) for some reason. I remember the thermometer at Circus Circus,j ust before sunrise ,reading 82 degrees. Brutal.

156 srb1976  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 2:14:35am

re: #155 BatGuano

Spent many a hot august night on the strip. I liked Fitzgerald's (downtown) for some reason. I remember the thermometer at Circus Circus,j ust before sunrise ,reading 82 degrees. Brutal.

Fiztgeralds isn't bad...I always liked Boulder Station if better half and I were "going gambling" and Main Street Station for the ENORMOUS strawberry shortcake...yum!

157 gmsc  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 2:14:43am

re: #155 BatGuano

Spent many a hot august night on the strip. I liked Fitzgerald's (downtown) for some reason. I remember the thermometer at Circus Circus,j ust before sunrise ,reading 82 degrees. Brutal.

The sun was shining on the sea,
shining with all his might.
He did his very best,
to make the billows smooth and bright.
And this was odd, because it was
the middle of the night!

158 littleoldlady  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 2:15:42am

re: #154 gmsc

Somebody set up you the bomb?

Huh?

/where's that IV?!

159 srb1976  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 2:16:41am

re: #157 gmsc

The sun was shining on the sea,
shining with all his might.
He did his very best,
to make the billows smooth and bright.
And this was odd, because it was
the middle of the night!

"The time has come" the Walrus said...
(I know it's not the next line...but it's been awhile)

160 BatGuano  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 2:18:20am

re: #159 srb1976

The time has come the walrus said,
to speak of many things,
of shoes and ships and sealing wax,
of cabbages and kings.

161 BatGuano  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 2:18:49am

re: #160 BatGuano

Close?

162 srb1976  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 2:19:30am

re: #160 BatGuano

The time has come the walrus said,
to speak of many things,
of shoes and ships and sealing wax,
of cabbages and kings.

Perfect!

And why the sea is boiling hot, and whether pigs have wings =)

163 BatGuano  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 2:22:57am

re: #162 srb1976

Some things I remember well. The line you supplied, I didn't!

164 srb1976  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 2:25:31am

re: #163 BatGuano

Some things I remember well. The line you supplied, I didn't!

Too much time spent watching the cartoon as a kid...Like the walrus and the carpenter better even than Alice in Wonderland...but not as well as Jabberwocky

165 gmsc  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 2:25:46am

re: #156 srb1976

Fiztgeralds isn't bad...I always liked Boulder Station if better half and I were "going gambling" and Main Street Station for the ENORMOUS strawberry shortcake...yum!

Remember the El Rancho? It was really the first place in Vegas that had the idea - "Hey! Why don't we have casinos, shows and restaurants all in one place, so nobody has to go anywhere!"

After it closed, it became little more than a dark brown eyesore on the strip. When the property was bought by the people who put up Turnberry Place, they made sure to tear the El Rancho down, mentioning that they didn't want an empty, half-built, eye-sore of a casino to ruin the view from their condos.

They didn't build condos on the El Rancho land itself, however. They sold it to Fontainebleau, who began developing a beautiful modern casino there.

Well, they started to, anyway. Fontainebleau just filed for bankruptcy. So, until that is sorted out, guess what Turnberry Place has in front of it on the old El Rancho land?

An empty, half-built, eye-sore of a casino!

166 gmsc  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 2:26:57am

re: #160 BatGuano

The time has come the walrus said,
to speak of many things,
of shoes and ships and sealing wax,
of cabbages and kings.

re: #162 srb1976

Perfect!

And why the sea is boiling hot, and whether pigs have wings =)

167 gmsc  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 2:27:21am

re: #164 srb1976

Too much time spent watching the cartoon as a kid...Like the walrus and the carpenter better even than Alice in Wonderland...but not as well as Jabberwocky

168 BatGuano  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 2:27:23am

I just popped back to the previous thread and Ludwigvanquixote, Salamantis and Pianobuff are still going at it. LGF is a beautiful thing.

169 Sharmuta  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 2:28:03am

re: #168 BatGuano

{LGF}

170 BatGuano  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 2:30:45am

re: #169 Sharmuta

{LGF}

I raise my glass to honest, intellectual debate, all in good humor.

171 srb1976  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 2:31:58am

re: #170 BatGuano

I raise my glass to honest, intellectual debate, all in good humor.

Most especially the good humor = )

172 littleoldlady  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 2:32:00am

What are they fighting about?

173 Sharmuta  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 2:32:44am

re: #172 littleoldlady

Climate change.

174 BatGuano  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 2:33:42am

re: #172 littleoldlady

What are they fighting about?

AGW. Still.

175 callahan23  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 2:33:59am

re: #172 littleoldlady

What are they fighting about?

I think it is AGW i.e. Global Warming. But pssshh!

176 TheMatrix31  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 2:35:16am

If I was bad ass enough to actually be able to effect the world's climate, I'd be a happy man.

Unfortunately, I don't think I am.

177 gmsc  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 2:35:17am

re: #173 Sharmuta

Climate change.

What's to argue about? When it's time to change, you've got to rearrange . . .

178 TheMatrix31  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 2:35:30am

affect* argh

179 callahan23  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 2:35:50am

Some errands to run. BBIAW

180 littleoldlady  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 2:36:32am

Well! That's a refreshing change from creationism! ;-)

I can actually solve that one...no matter if "climate change" is man made or G-d made, there's not much we can do about it.

/the end!
//fin!
///ta da!

181 BatGuano  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 2:37:56am

re: #178 TheMatrix31

/Ohhh, I was about to pounce on you for that one.

182 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 2:38:50am

Global Warming? YOU CAN HELP!!!
[Link: news.yahoo.com...]

183 gmsc  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 2:39:04am

re: #180 littleoldlady

Well! That's a refreshing change from creationism! ;-)

I can actually solve that one...no matter if "climate change" is man made or G-d made, there's not much we can do about it.

/the end!
//fin!
///ta da!

George Carlin on Saving the Planet (Do I really need to give a language warning?):

184 laZardo  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 2:40:31am

Aaaand how is everyone this evening?

185 Sharmuta  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 2:41:11am

re: #184 laZardo

Ducky.

186 BatGuano  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 2:42:02am

re: #177 gmsc

No offense, but I didn't start the video. I thought it was going to be "reflections of my Life".

187 TheMatrix31  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 2:42:08am

re: #181 BatGuano

/Ohhh, I was about to pounce on you for that one.

Hahaha...I'm well aware, just around my friends right now so totally distracted.

188 laZardo  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 2:44:14am

re: #183 gmsc

The irony? He voiced a hippie Volkswagen Bus in that Pixar movie Cars.

189 littleoldlady  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 2:44:28am

re: #183 gmsc

OMG! Perfect! :-)

190 BatGuano  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 2:44:40am

re: #184 laZardo

Aaaand how is everyone this evening?

I feel fine!

191 laZardo  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 2:46:11am

re: #190 BatGuano

Given the conditions, I don't blame you.

/le! nerd! burn! steen!

192 srb1976  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 2:46:35am

re: #190 BatGuano

I feel fine!


How about It's the end of the world as we know it

193 TheMatrix31  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 2:47:06am

re: #192 srb1976

How about It's the end of the world as we know it

Birthday party, cheesecake, jelly bean -- BOOM!

194 srb1976  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 2:47:33am

re: #191 laZardo

Heh...

195 laZardo  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 2:48:33am

re: #192 srb1976

GMTA

196 gmsc  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 2:50:57am

re: #182 Cannadian Club Akbar

Global Warming? YOU CAN HELP!!!
[Link: news.yahoo.com...]

I'm doing my part.

"Don't you want to leave the Earth better for your kids?"

"I don't have any kids. The planet just has to last long enough for me. After that, f**k it."

197 BatGuano  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 2:53:53am

re: #196 gmsc

I'm doing my part.

"Don't you want to leave the Earth better for your kids?"

"I don't have any kids. The planet just has to last long enough for me. After that, f**k it."

I have just as many kids as I require: No more no less.

198 gmsc  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 2:54:02am

re: #165 gmsc

Remember the El Rancho? It was really the first place in Vegas that had the idea - "Hey! Why don't we have casinos, shows and restaurants all in one place, so nobody has to go anywhere!"

After it closed, it became little more than a dark brown eyesore on the strip. When the property was bought by the people who put up Turnberry Place, they made sure to tear the El Rancho down, mentioning that they didn't want an empty, half-built, eye-sore of a casino to ruin the view from their condos.

They didn't build condos on the El Rancho land itself, however. They sold it to Fontainebleau, who began developing a beautiful modern casino there.

Well, they started to, anyway. Fontainebleau just filed for bankruptcy. So, until that is sorted out, guess what Turnberry Place has in front of it on the old El Rancho land?

An empty, half-built, eye-sore of a casino!

Oh, besides the economic downturn a fewer visitors to Vegas (thanks, 44!), Turnberry Place also just lost a major renter. The penthouse of all the Turnberry Place condos were leased by Michael Jackson.

199 laZardo  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 2:54:02am

re: #182 Cannadian Club Akbar

Well, how come China's not the natural paradise like the old scrolls depict?

/Confucius had a saying. I just don't know what he'd say though.

200 gmsc  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 2:54:13am

re: #197 BatGuano

I have just as many kids as I require: No more no less.

Same here.

201 laZardo  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 2:54:58am

re: #198 gmsc

Well, the parents had to drop their kids off somewhere when the video arcades were full.

/good evening, bad taste!

202 gmsc  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 2:55:04am

re: #199 laZardo

Well, how come China's not the natural paradise like the old scrolls depict?

/Confucius had a saying. I just don't know what he'd say though.

Man who fart in church sit in his own pew?

203 srb1976  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 2:55:43am

re: #197 BatGuano

I have just as many kids as I require: No more no less.

Heh...better half and I stopped at replacement levels
(2 of us, 2 kids) mostly because we can't afford to spoil any more than that = )

204 gmsc  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 3:00:10am

re: #201 laZardo

Well, the parents had to drop their kids off somewhere when the video arcades were full.

/good evening, bad taste!

When Farrah Fawcett died, she was well received in Heaven.

God greeted her, "Farrah, we're thrilled to welcome you to Heaven. Your beauty helped bring joy to millions, and you even helped create a renewed respect for angels. I don't do this for everyone, but I would like to grant you one wish. You can wish for anything at all, but do take time to think about."

After thinking a while, Farrah replied, "I believe I know what I'd like. I wish all the world's children would be kept safe from harm for all time."

God replied, "Farrah, that is a beautiful and heartfelt wish, and was well thought out. For you, I'm going to grant that wish." God snapped his fingers and said, "It is done!"

Farrah was somewhat confused, and asked, "What exactly did you do?"

God replied, "Michael Jackson is now dead."

205 gmsc  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 3:01:24am

Whoah! 3 AM already?

Good night, all!

206 BatGuano  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 3:02:47am

re: #203 srb1976

Heh...better half and I stopped at replacement levels
(2 of us, 2 kids) mostly because we can't afford to spoil any more than that = )

You need one more to exceed replacement level.

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

And my reference was to Amadeus about notes:

207 littleoldlady  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 3:03:17am

'Night, gmsc! :-)

208 laZardo  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 3:03:18am

re: #204 gmsc

I remember posting that and getting something like 8 updings. Then Red said I owed him that karma because he wanted to post the joke earlier but it was "too soon."

/i do recall using that exact same sarctag line as well. 8D

209 BatGuano  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 3:03:36am

re: #205 gmsc

Whoah! 3 AM already?

Good night, all!

G'night gmsc. I hope you have a better day at work!

210 TheMatrix31  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 3:03:55am

Later, GM!

211 haakondahl  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 3:04:17am

Shar, I got PBJ's mail, but not yours. And what are you people doing up at this hour anyway? It's 3AM in San Diego!

212 srb1976  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 3:04:34am

I think I'm gonna call it a night too...better half is awake for some reason, and I might as well hang out with him = )

213 Sharmuta  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 3:04:49am

re: #211 haakondahl

Because I didn't get your correct addy.

214 BatGuano  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 3:05:46am

re: #212 srb1976

Goodnight, srb.

215 laZardo  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 3:06:28am

re: #211 haakondahl

It's 6:06 pm in rainy Manila. q; I should be eating dinner.

216 littleoldlady  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 3:08:30am

'Night, srb! :-)

217 haakondahl  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 3:09:55am

Test.

218 Sharmuta  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 3:11:38am

re: #217 haakondahl

That gave me the same bad email as before. Try clicking through and seeing it for yourself.

219 laZardo  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 3:14:06am

brb, dinnar.

220 BatGuano  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 3:21:36am

Fucking weird (pardon my french, littleoldlady), the previous thread is Lizard Vs. Lizard and Quixote and Salamantis are still at it. Charles is prescient.
I think this is a death match.

221 littleoldlady  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 3:25:00am

re: #220 BatGuano

Bwahaha!

Did I ever tell you I was a waitress for many, many years? ;-)

222 BatGuano  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 3:27:42am

re: #221 littleoldlady

Yeah, I forgot. It's my upbringing.

223 callahan23  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 3:28:48am

re: #217 haakondahl

Hi HaakonD, did you arrive save and sound in the States? How was the last leg of your flight?

224 littleoldlady  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 3:28:58am

re: #222 BatGuano

S'okay. I love you for it!

/it was the LADY part that threw you off, right? ;-)

225 BatGuano  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 3:33:13am

re: #224 littleoldlady

S'okay. I love you for it!

/it was the LADY part that threw you off, right? ;-)

226 haakondahl  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 3:36:30am

re: #218 Sharmuta

That gave me the same bad email as before. Try clicking through and seeing it for yourself.

I just got the mail I sent myself. Try mailing to that address from outside the lizard system, eh?

227 freetoken  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 3:36:47am

re: #220 BatGuano

They're both very reasonable people... I have faith that they will come out of it better than ever.

228 BatGuano  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 3:39:07am

re: #227 freetoken

They're both very reasonable people... I have faith that they will come out of it better than ever.

I've been following this off and on for 3 or 4 hours and I' sure they will.

My # 170
I raise my glass to honest, intellectual debate, all in good humor.

229 BlueCanuck  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 3:40:01am

Good morning all. Just a drive by till I have to get ready and go to work. Woo Hoo, it's payday.

/all my bill collectors are happier then me. :)

230 Sharmuta  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 3:40:15am

re: #226 haakondahl

For some reason- I am getting a bad email address for you. :(

Perhaps PBJ can get it forwarded to me?

231 littleoldlady  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 3:40:34am

BlueCanuck! :-) :-) :-)

232 BlueCanuck  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 3:41:41am

Wait what? Ludwig and Sal are STILL going at it? They started before I went to bed last night. Over eight hours?!?!?!

233 BlueCanuck  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 3:42:24am

re: #231 littleoldlady

Good morning bearer of the cups of fruit. Long time no see.

/already grabbed one. :)

234 AuntAcid  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 3:43:42am

re: #229 BlueCanuck

Good morning all. Just a drive by till I have to get ready and go to work. Woo Hoo, it's payday.

/all my bill collectors are happier then me. :)

And a global warming morning to you!

235 BatGuano  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 3:44:42am

re: #232 BlueCanuck

Wait what? Ludwig and Sal are STILL going at it? They started before I went to bed last night. Over eight hours?!?!?!

Yuppers, It's the Forever War.

236 BlueCanuck  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 3:45:22am

re: #234 AuntAcid

And a global warming morning to you!

Well I don't know about that. Might finally get a heat wave this weekend. If the forecast is right...

Oh, and good morning.

237 BatGuano  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 3:46:48am

re: #235 BatGuano

Yuppers, It's the Forever War.

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

238 littleoldlady  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 3:48:39am

Has anyone notified Guinness?

Anyhoo, I've just suffered my first FireFox crash of the day...

/FUN! FUN! FUN!
//NOT

Good day, ALL!™

239 BatGuano  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 3:50:50am

re: #238 littleoldlady

Has anyone notified Guinness?

Anyhoo, I've just suffered my first FireFox crash of the day...

/FUN! FUN! FUN!
//NOT

Good day, ALL!™

Good day littleoldlady. I was about to do a play-by-play on the Lizard V. Lizard thread. Most fascinating.

240 freetoken  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 3:50:55am

re: #232 BlueCanuck

Over eight hours?!?!?!

Hey, some of us guys last longer than others ;-O

241 AuntAcid  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 3:52:42am

re: #236 BlueCanuck

Well I don't know about that. Might finally get a heat wave this weekend. If the forecast is right...

Oh, and good morning.

I check here [Link: www.weatheroffice.gc.ca...] to try to understand the climate. It seems a bit cool for summer.

242 callahan23  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 4:00:58am

re: #237 BatGuano

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

Have you seen this item? Seems promising:

On October 12 2008, Ridley Scott confirmed that after a 25 year wait for the rights to become available, he is making a return to science fiction with a film adaptation of the book. He is currently looking for a script writer.
243 BatGuano  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 4:02:50am

re: #240 freetoken

Cosell: This is the battle of the century! Neither one taking a step back. Two titans standing toe-to toe in a war of attrition! This is a re-enactment of the battle of Thermopylae, where implacable adversaries are throwing everything they have at each other to a denouement that we know not. Oh, the humanity!

244 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 4:04:15am

I hope this won't be a real "argu-ie" day. I don't like to watch lizards that I admire fight with each other.

Yesterday, I was the "Brave Sir Robin"..

Brave Sir Robin ran away. Bravely ran away, away!
When danger reared its ugly head, He bravely turned his tail and fled.
Yes, brave Sir Robin turned about, And gallantly he chickened out.
Bravely taking to his feet, He beat a very brave retreat,
Bravest of the brave, Sir Robin!

245 3 wood  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 4:04:43am

Good morning.

The market futures are indicating a stalling market this morning, based on anticipated bad unemployment numbers and poor profit reports. Such as:


Cisco reports 46% drop in quarterly profit

SAN FRANCISCO (MarketWatch) -- Cisco Systems late Wednesday reported a 46% drop in profit in a quarter that Chief Executive John Chambers said could turn out to be the "tipping point" when things turned around for the tech giant.

But Cisco's shares (CSCO 22.17, -0.27, -1.20%) fell more than 3% after hours after the company said it expects sales for the current quarter to fall 15% to 17% from the year-earlier-period.

The San Jose, Calif.-based networking gear maker reported a fiscal fourth-quarter profit of $1.1 billion, or 19 cents a share, compared with a profit of $2 billion, or 33 cents a share for the year-earlier period.


As of yet, I see no signs of growing real GDP or increasing employment.

But guns and ammo sales are hitting record levels.

246 laZardo  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 4:05:39am

re: #245 3 wood

"It's the right wing survivalist militias trying to retake America and turn it into one big DMZ!"

/should get the graphic novel, sounds like a good read

247 BlueCanuck  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 4:05:47am

re: #241 AuntAcid

I check here [Link: www.weatheroffice.gc.ca...] to try to understand the climate. It seems a bit cool for summer.

LOL, same source I go to as well. Well, it's that time again. See most of you in an hour or so. Work beckons.

/good thing with the cooler weather is that I don't sweat as much on my walk to work...

248 BatGuano  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 4:06:45am

re: #242 callahan23

The devil you say! After 25 years. Let it be so. Let the the Lord keep Cameron far away from the project. Great News. Thank you!

249 3 wood  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 4:09:12am

William Jefferson convicted in freezer cash case

Federal prosecutors said Jefferson could be sentenced to more than 20 years in prison. Prosecutors asked U.S. District Judge T.S. Ellis III to jail the 62-year-old Louisiana Democrat, but Ellis allowed him to remain free on bail pending an appeal.

Quiz time:

Guess how many major news broadcasts reported on this story last night?

?
?
?
Answer: zero.

250 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 4:09:46am

re: #245 3 wood

But guns and ammo sales are hitting record levels.

Met a fellow a couple of days ago who makes his own bullets. Lives in the middle of effing nowhere.

Ready for a surprise; he doesn't trust the government. Fortunately, is purely a defensive guy. Ain't planning nothing other than protecting him and his.

The most startling thing for me... Not a survivalist backwoods type. The nicest guy I've ever met. I mean Mr. Rogers nice.

251 BatGuano  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 4:10:25am

re: #244 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Shit! I'm supposed to do the Monte Python references.But okay you did it well.
Hi, FBV!

252 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 4:11:26am

re: #245 3 wood

Oh, and Mornin' Wood!

253 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 4:12:27am

re: #249 3 wood

William Jefferson convicted in freezer cash case


Quiz time:

Guess how many major news broadcasts reported on this story last night?

?
?
?
Answer: zero.


IIRC, he also used the National Guard in NOLA to go to his house in the aftermath of Katrina.

[Link: abcnews.go.com...]

254 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 4:13:55am

re: #249 3 wood

re: #253 Cannadian Club Akbar

I saw it here. Don't even watch the news anymore.

I am just glad that the bad actor gets to "exit left".

255 3 wood  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 4:14:48am

House Orders Up Three Elite Jets

Last year, lawmakers excoriated the CEOs of the Big Three automakers for traveling to Washington, D.C., by private jet to attend a hearing about a possible bailout of their companies.

But apparently Congress is not philosophically averse to private air travel: At the end of July, the House approved nearly $200 million for the Air Force to buy three elite Gulfstream jets for ferrying top government officials and Members of Congress.

The Air Force had asked for one Gulfstream 550 jet (price tag: about $65 million) as part of an ongoing upgrade of its passenger air service.

But the House Appropriations Committee, at its own initiative, added to the 2010 Defense appropriations bill another $132 million for two more airplanes and specified that they be assigned to the D.C.-area units that carry Members of Congress, military brass and top government officials.


I guess of you are a Bank CEO this is a bad thing to do, but if you are a member of the Democrat controlled Congress it's just peachy

256 3 wood  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 4:15:33am

re: #250 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

The most startling thing for me... Not a survivalist backwoods type. The nicest guy I've ever met. I mean Mr. Rogers nice.

The White House wants you to report him, comrade.

257 3 wood  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 4:16:10am

re: #252 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Mornin' Veg

258 BatGuano  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 4:16:45am

re: #253 Cannadian Club Akbar

IIRC, he also used the National Guard in NOLA to go to his house in the aftermath of Katrina.

[Link: abcnews.go.com...]

You remember correctly. He did co-opt them to guard his whore house.

259 3 wood  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 4:17:48am

Congrats to Slick Willie for his efforts to get the two reporters out of political prison.

260 AuntAcid  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 4:18:02am

"...but Ellis allowed him to remain free on bail pending an appeal."

See you in Haiti, sucka!

261 laZardo  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 4:18:19am

re: #255 3 wood

All three particular officials were probably Republicans.

/ wait for it...wait for it...

262 BatGuano  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 4:19:14am

re: #259 3 wood

Congrats to Slick Willie for his efforts to get the two reporters out of political prison.

Amen. How it happened...

263 laZardo  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 4:19:15am

re: #259 3 wood

All it took was a little magic to make the world a little safer.

/ C:

264 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 4:19:23am

re: #256 3 wood

The White House wants you to report him, comrade.

Are you nuts?! I'm moving in with him.

265 3 wood  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 4:21:50am

With regard to inflation:

Issing Says Officials May Have to Ignore Political ‘Screams’


Aug. 6 (Bloomberg) -- Otmar Issing, former chief economist of the European Central Bank, said inflation will pick up as soon as the financial crisis has passed unless governments and central banks remove economic stimulus measures promptly.

“Politicians and industry might scream” when the measures are withdrawn, “but this should not be an argument for central banks and fiscal policies,” Issing said in a telephone interview from Frankfurt yesterday. The exit “has to happen at a time when unemployment is still high or even still rising, because of the lagged effect of the crisis on labor markets.”


Anybody here think Obamawill stop deficit spending?

Me neither.

266 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 4:23:13am

re: #259 3 wood

Congrats to Slick Willie for his efforts to get the two reporters out of political prison.

I am glad that it turned out okay.

Question...

If my brother or sister or employee gets arrested by Iran, Burma, NOK, China, Cuba, Venezuela... etc... will a former President go and get them out for me?

267 SixDegrees  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 4:26:15am

re: #265 3 wood

With regard to inflation:

Issing Says Officials May Have to Ignore Political ‘Screams’

90% of the "stimulus" money is still sitting mouldering, without even having been allocated yet. Dems are salivating over this gigantic campaign slush fund provided by the taxpayers, and will eagerly begin to deploy it beginning in 2010, just in time for the midterm elections. And also at the time when the economy will be most vulnerable to inflationary pressures.

Think Congress will be able to resist and do what's right for the economy? Or do you think they'll feather their own nests with all that dough on hand?

OT - Citigoup took a 10% jump yesterday. What happened? Did somebody pay their credit card bill on time?

268 BatGuano  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 4:26:38am

re: #266 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

What's in your wallet?

269 3 wood  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 4:26:53am

I linked this last night, but for those who missed it:
Private-sector sheds 371,000 jobs in July, ADP says


WASHINGTON (MarketWatch) -- In another sign that the labor market remains weak even as the economic downturn is moderating, private-sector employment in the United States fell by an estimated 371,000 jobs in the July ADP employment index, the smallest decline since October.

The goods-producing sector lost 169,000 jobs, while the service sector lost 202,000, according to ADP.

"Despite recent indications that overall economic activity is stabilizing, employment, which usually trails overall economic activity, is likely to decline for at least several more months," ADP said in a statement.

For June, private-sector jobs fell by a revised 463,000, ADP said. Job losses peaked at 736,000 in March, according to ADP. Read the full report.

Goods-producing industries cut 262,000 jobs after a loss of 324,000 in March, ADP said. Manufacturing companies cut 159,000 jobs and 95,000 were lost in construction. Services cut 229,000 jobs in April after 384,000 were lost in March. It was the first month since October in which goods-producing industries cut more jobs than the services did.


The left wing spin will be that this is actually a good thing, that the rate of job destruction is slowing down, things are getting better, it takes time and it's all Bush's fault.

270 3 wood  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 4:27:55am

re: #266 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

If my brother or sister or employee gets arrested by Iran, Burma, NOK, China, Cuba, Venezuela... etc... will a former President go and get them out for me?

Is he a member of the left wing media and work for Al Gore?

If not, then probably not.

271 AuntAcid  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 4:28:07am

re: #266 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I am glad that it turned out okay.

Question...

If my brother or sister or employee gets arrested by Iran, Burma, NOK, China, Cuba, Venezuela... etc... will a former President go and get them out for me?

If it's in 2013, Bambi could go.

272 SixDegrees  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 4:28:31am

re: #266 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I am glad that it turned out okay.

Question...

If my brother or sister or employee gets arrested by Iran, Burma, NOK, China, Cuba, Venezuela... etc... will a former President go and get them out for me?

Apparently not. Neither Willy nor the White House uttered as much as a syllable about the many Japanese hostages kidnapped by NK over the last several years, most of whom are believed to still be alive somewhere within NK. Japan, understandably, is completely pissed over this differential treatment by an ally over what is arguably a much more heinous crime.

273 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 4:29:45am

re: #272 SixDegrees

The son of a bitches thing that everything they do is hermetically sealed and doesn't ripple.

274 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 4:30:06am

re: #271 AuntAcid

infinite dings...

275 3 wood  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 4:31:00am

Got to run to work early. Later.

By the way, I'm working my way through all 1,000 pages of the drafted HR3200 for health care. I'll provide my analysis of it when I'm done, (probably sometime next week). The overall tone is that everything about your health care will be dictated and controlled by some new bureau of the federal government.

This is a full employment for government officials act.

276 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 4:32:21am

re: #275 3 wood

Mornin' Wood. Again, good to see you back.

277 laZardo  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 4:35:15am

re: #272 SixDegrees

Apparently not. Neither Willy nor the White House uttered as much as a syllable about the many Japanese hostages kidnapped by NK over the last several years, most of whom are believed to still be alive somewhere within NK. Japan, understandably, is completely pissed over this differential treatment by an ally over what is arguably a much more heinous crime.

And which president was the only one in recent memory to at least break the silence?

Hmm...

278 BatGuano  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 4:38:03am

re: #277 laZardo

It wasn't until Bush that I knew this had happened,

279 BatGuano  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 4:40:10am

re: #275 3 wood

I'm going to have to report you for that. It sounds "fishy".

280 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 4:42:30am

re: #279 BatGuano

I'm going to have to report you for that. It sounds "fishy".

I was thinking about forwarding all my porno spam to them.

281 BatGuano  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 4:44:54am

re: #280 Cannadian Club Akbar

If that will keep them from spying on law abiding citizens, do it. :)

282 JamesTKirk  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 4:46:10am

Everything should be made as simple as possible, but no simpler.

re: #1 Sharmuta

Try telling Congress that.

Are you kidding? That's the perfect description of the brain of a Congressman!

283 TheMatrix31  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 4:56:06am

re: #280 Cannadian Club Akbar

I was thinking about forwarding all my porno spam to them.

Do it! That'd be awesome.

284 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 5:00:22am

re: #275 3 wood

I'll bet it's like reading stereo instructions.

285 MandyManners  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 5:03:07am

re: #277 laZardo

And which president was the only one in recent memory to at least break the silence?

Hmm...

I miss W..

286 apachegunner  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 5:03:52am

re: #280 Cannadian Club Akbar I am curious if any of our discussions will end up in that office and what reaction might be taken.

287 MandyManners  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 5:04:06am

What is he up to nowadays?

288 BlueCanuck  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 5:04:15am

And I am back. Good morning to all that have logged in my commute to work. I like Shanks Ponies. More dependable then transit.

289 3 wood  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 5:04:23am

re: #284 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I'll bet it's like reading stereo instructions.


I've read a lot of legislation in my time, and I've written some too.

This stuff is off the charts as far as unduly complicated wording. This is going to be a major cluster ***.

290 apachegunner  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 5:04:38am

what are the repurcussions of bad mouthing the program anyway.

291 apachegunner  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 5:05:01am

re: #288 BlueCanuck

And I am back. Good morning to all that have logged in my commute to work. I like Shanks Ponies. More dependable then transit.


geee, did ya run?

292 laZardo  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 5:05:21am

re: #287 MandyManners

Probably being thankful he isn't President anymore, by the sound (or lack thereof?) of things.

293 3 wood  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 5:05:58am

re: #267 SixDegrees

Think Congress will be able to resist and do what's right for the economy? Or do you think they'll feather their own nests with all that dough on hand?


They will spend it like the proverbial drunk sailor on shore leave.

294 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 5:06:36am

re: #286 apachegunner

I am curious if any of our discussions will end up in that office and what reaction might be taken.

I hope to hell I get on Obama's hit list. Come and get me suckers. Best thing that could ever happen to me. I'll fall in the category of all the other fools who make a financial killing from their 15 minutes of fame.

295 Spenser (with an S)  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 5:07:16am

re: #284 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I'll bet it's like reading stereo instructions.

Yes, but wood gets that little extra jolt when he reads something in the bill picturing people he loves dealing with the new Big Brother HMO Health Plan (Heinous Mother Of a Health Plan). You don't get that with stereo instructions.

296 laZardo  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 5:07:40am

re: #293 3 wood

"Better than them spending it to kill people in the evil foreign country of the week!"

/I should make a BINGO card of these excuses. Or a drinking game.

297 BlueCanuck  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 5:08:19am

re: #291 apachegunner

geee, did ya run?

Run? Hell no. I am a fast walker and work is only 3 miles from home. Do it in about 35 minutes non-stop.

/I blame my infantry days...

298 apachegunner  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 5:10:11am

re: #297 BlueCanuck

Run? Hell no. I am a fast walker and work is only 3 miles from home. Do it in about 35 minutes non-stop.

/I blame my infantry days...

well good on you then :>)

299 3 wood  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 5:10:45am

re: #279 BatGuano

I'm going to have to report you for that. It sounds "fishy".


You know, if the Republicans had posted something like that, it would have led the network news last night, the left wing spin sites would be screaming about it, the ACLU would be screaming into microphones and filing pleas for stop and desist and injunctions and so on. Last night I even heard skeletor (yes, he still has a show somewhere) justifying this on his radio show, he of "free speech" fame.

The hypocrisy is astounding.

300 nonic  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 5:12:21am

I'm sitting here thinking what a shame education has been so dumbed down -- we're seeing the fruits of it now. As many young people have no clue what's going on or why it matters.

And then I'm thinking that God for homeschooling, where at least people have a chance to teach their kids history, government, and civics.

And then it hits me. This fall when Obama launches his "massive overhaul" of the country's system, he is going to try to destroy homeschooling.

He's already anounced that he intends to make college a universal entitlement. Surely, support for that fiasco idea has already been bought from academia.

You watch. You will see preparation laid in the liberal rags, demonizing homeschooling parents -- along with "tea bag goons" and "town hall mobs" (NYT writer today).

301 BatGuano  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 5:12:41am

re: #288 BlueCanuck

And I am back. Good morning to all that have logged in my commute to work. I like Shanks Ponies. More dependable then transit.

Could that be what my mom used to call Jake's mule: Meaning on foot?

302 3 wood  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 5:13:10am

re: #294 Walter L. Newton

I hope to hell I get on Obama's hit list. Come and get me suckers. Best thing that could ever happen to me. I'll fall in the category of all the other fools who make a financial killing from their 15 minutes of fame.

Agreed, I think there are a whole bunch of lawyers out there looking for work who would love to take a case like that on spec, er, contingency.

303 nonic  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 5:13:48am

correction to #300

should say

THANK God for homeschooling

304 laZardo  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 5:14:33am

re: #299 3 wood

I keep suspecting that they're operating "Democrat by default" rules. The only reason Republicans get so much negative coverage by that reasoning would be because they're just too used to people from that party doing bad things that they just stop paying attention.

305 nonic  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 5:16:00am

correction to #300

should say

Obama's massive overhaul of country's EDUCATION system

306 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 5:17:06am

Anybody see the disconnect?

"Toyota's Corolla sedan overtook the Ford Focus as the best-selling vehicle in the "clunker" program. Toyota had two other passenger cars, the Prius hybrid and the Camry, in the top five. The Honda Motor Co Civic was No. 3."
[]
"... the program, which is mainly aimed at boosting U.S. sales overall and helping General Motors Co and Chrysler Group recover from bankruptcy."

[Link: money.cnn.com...]

307 BlueCanuck  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 5:17:07am

re: #301 BatGuano

Could that be what my mom used to call Jake's mule: Meaning on foot?

Yep, that's what my mom and grandfather called it. In the army it was "Black Cadillacs". The symbol on our drill boots instep looked like the Cadillac symbol, hence the moniker. Another one was Leather APCs. APC was a shortening of the Quebec swear phrase Apres est chalice.

/might have spelt that phrase wrong, could curse it quite well though...

308 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 5:17:25am

re: #305 nonic

correction to #300

should say

Obama's massive overhaul of country's EDUCATION system

Keep them stupid and they will depend on the guvment.

309 BatGuano  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 5:17:29am

re: #299 3 wood

Absolutely right. The objected to GWB's policies that were directed toward potential terrorists. Obama's policies are directed toward the citizenry.

310 Charpete67  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 5:17:54am

re: #290 apachegunner

what are the repurcussions of bad mouthing the program anyway.

re-education camps?...small room with MSNBC 24/7

311 laZardo  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 5:18:34am

re: #309 BatGuano

"Dubya wanted to arrest the citizenry and ship them off to Gitmo! Obama wants to give the citizenry better education and public services! Can't you see the difference?"

/should probably file this under the "B" column on the Bingo card...

312 MandyManners  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 5:18:45am

re: #300 nonic

I'm sitting here thinking what a shame education has been so dumbed down -- we're seeing the fruits of it now. As many young people have no clue what's going on or why it matters.

And then I'm thinking that God for homeschooling, where at least people have a chance to teach their kids history, government, and civics.

And then it hits me. This fall when Obama launches his "massive overhaul" of the country's system, he is going to try to destroy homeschooling.

He's already anounced that he intends to make college a universal entitlement. Surely, support for that fiasco idea has already been bought from academia.

You watch. You will see preparation laid in the liberal rags, demonizing homeschooling parents -- along with "tea bag goons" and "town hall mobs" (NYT writer today).

I believe it's already started in California.

313 Spenser (with an S)  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 5:18:56am

re: #303 nonic

correction to #300

should say

THANK God for homeschooling

We do not have the temperament or abilities to teach our 4 at home, but I'll add "Thank God for our Christian schools and our church for making it affordable".

/and the science teachers know the earth isn't 10k years old, by the way.

314 SasquatchOnSteroids  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 5:19:27am

Mobsters throwing soccer balls at their reps and senators isn't The Chicago way. Tell the MFM.

315 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 5:19:52am

re: #306 Walter L. Newton

Anybody see the disconnect?

"Toyota's Corolla sedan overtook the Ford Focus as the best-selling vehicle in the "clunker" program. Toyota had two other passenger cars, the Prius hybrid and the Camry, in the top five. The Honda Motor Co Civic was No. 3."
[]
"... the program, which is mainly aimed at boosting U.S. sales overall and helping General Motors Co and Chrysler Group recover from bankruptcy."

[Link: money.cnn.com...]

(Avanti jumps in 5,4,3,2...)

316 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 5:20:24am

re: #310 Charpete67

re-education camps?...small room with MSNBC 24/7

That's not funny but then again MSNBC might finally get some viewers.

317 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 5:20:49am

re: #313 Spenser (with an S)

We do not have the temperament or abilities to teach our 4 at home, but I'll add "Thank God for our Christian schools and our church for making it affordable".

/and the science teachers know the earth isn't 10k years old, by the way.

Of course it's not, it's 6k year old, everyone knows that.
/

318 Charpete67  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 5:21:20am

re: #316 Cannadian Club Akbar

That's not funny but then again MSNBC might finally get some viewers.

It would dovetail nicely with Dan Rather's plea for government intervention to save the news media.

319 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 5:21:43am

re: #300 nonic

Honestly? I'm still not sure about home schooling. Many, many times no problem. Parents are bright, engaging and capable.

What about stupid parents? They do exist. And I am sure they think that they are bright, engaging and capable.

320 Spenser (with an S)  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 5:22:04am

re: #310 Charpete67

re: #290 apachegunner

what are the repurcussions of bad mouthing the program anyway.

re-education camps?...small room with MSNBC 24/7

And a gun with one bullet, I hope.

/for the tv, of course. We've got to stick around to fight.

321 SasquatchOnSteroids  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 5:23:06am

I saw one lady in rollers and bunny slippers. Taze her.
Off to make somebody some moolah.

322 laZardo  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 5:23:33am

re: #314 SasquatchOnSteroids

Mobsters throwing soccer balls at their reps and senators isn't The Chicago way. Tell the MFM.

Beware that Dodge Caravan tailing you along your daily drive...

323 3 wood  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 5:23:43am

Here's one tasty item in the proposed legislation.

‘‘SEC. 1173A. STANDARDIZE ELECTRONIC ADMINISTRATIVE
11 TRANSACTIONS

which starts on page 57 deals with setting up everything electronicly. On page 58 you get this:

‘‘(D) enable the real-time (or near real6
time) determination of an individual’s financial
7 responsibility at the point of service and, to the
8 extent possible, prior to service, including
9 whether the individual is eligible for a specific
10 service with a specific physician at a specific fa11
cility, which may include utilization of a ma12
chine-readable health plan beneficiary identi13
fication card;

The only way I know of for them to do that is to have access to yur bank accounts. I believe there is language later in the legislation authorizing them to do just that.

324 Charpete67  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 5:23:52am

re: #319 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Honestly? I'm still not sure about home schooling. Many, many times no problem. Parents are bright, engaging and capable.

What about stupid parents? They do exist. And I am sure they think that they are bright, engaging and capable.

it's called personal responsibility...but, I know what you mean. We have run across a couple of families that should not be homeschooling, but the vast majority are really committed. In fact, it's almost impossible to continue unless you are really committed.

325 Pullus Iulius  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 5:24:02am

re: #320 Spenser (with an S)

And a gun with one bullet, I hope.

/for the tv, of course. We've got to stick around to fight.

That's how Elvis woulda done it.

326 Spenser (with an S)  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 5:24:11am

re: #317 Walter L. Newton

re: #313 Spenser (with an S)

We do not have the temperament or abilities to teach our 4 at home, but I'll add "Thank God for our Christian schools and our church for making it affordable".

/and the science teachers know the earth isn't 10k years old, by the way.

Of course it's not, it's 6k year old, everyone knows that.

Oops. Please don't report me as "fishy" to the Discovery Institute.

327 Charpete67  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 5:24:59am

re: #326 Spenser (with an S)

Oops. Please don't report me as "fishy" to the Discovery Institute.

...don't worry, I'm not even sure which czar to email...there are so many.

328 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 5:25:31am

re: #324 Charpete67

I can only imagine.

The fact that I had four years of both Grammar I and Algebra I led me to the conclusion that home-schooling was not going to be for us.

329 laZardo  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 5:25:47am

re: #327 Charpete67

Just refer to your phone directory to find the nearest field marshall and they'll do the rest for you.

330 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 5:26:06am

re: #327 Charpete67

...don't worry, I'm not even sure which czar to email...there are so many.

Send one to Czar Nicholas. I'm sure it will get as much attention.

331 3 wood  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 5:26:43am

re: #306 Walter L. Newton

Anybody see the disconnect?

I've been saying that for days here.

Prepare for the left wing taking points to start up

332 BatGuano  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 5:26:50am

re: #307 BlueCanuck

That is fascinating. How did a phrase get from rural Oklahoma of the twenties to Canada (or vice versa)?

333 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 5:26:58am

re: #323 3 wood

Here's one tasty item in the proposed legislation.


The only way I know of for them to do that is to have access to yur bank accounts. I believe there is language later in the legislation authorizing them to do just that.

I'll used cash. Screw 'em.

334 Spenser (with an S)  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 5:27:32am

re: #327 Charpete67

...don't worry, I'm not even sure which czar to email...there are so many.

Speaking of that, I've read a lot about FDR's counselors during WWII. Regardless of what you think of them, many of them worked for $1/ yr. since the country was in such rough shape and they wanted to help. What are we paying these tools, anyway?

335 BlueCanuck  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 5:27:45am

re: #323 3 wood

Here in Ontario we have health cards. Have had them for about a good 20 years approximately. All they are used for is medical records and OHIP billing. I also have to show a drivers liscence to prove that it's me. Don't know how they would set it up down there.

336 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 5:29:36am

re: #335 BlueCanuck

Here in Ontario we have health cards. Have had them for about a good 20 years approximately. All they are used for is medical records and OHIP billing. I also have to show a drivers liscence to prove that it's me. Don't know how they would set it up down there.

It wouldn't. Supporters of illegals would scream racism for needing an ID.

337 BlueCanuck  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 5:29:59am

re: #332 BatGuano

Well, my grandfather is from a pioneering family. I also had a grand parent that lived in the Praries during the farming expansion back in the early part of the 20th century. A lot of cross pollination of terms through the farmer folks, media, and literature as well.

338 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 5:30:08am

re: #323 3 wood

‘‘enable the real-time (or near real time) determination of an individual’s financial responsibility at the point of service and, to the extent possible, prior to service, including whether the individual is eligible for a specific service with a specific physician at a specific facility, which may include utilization of a machine-readable health plan beneficiary identification card"

Cleaned up to make more legible?

339 OldLineTexan  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 5:31:53am

re: #324 Charpete67

it's called personal responsibility...but, I know what you mean. We have run across a couple of families that should not be homeschooling, but the vast majority are really committed. In fact, it's almost impossible to continue unless you are really committed.

In a free country, children are the parents' responsibility. This has good and bad side effects, but that is one price of liberty.

340 BlueCanuck  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 5:32:03am

re: #336 Cannadian Club Akbar

It wouldn't. Supporters of illegals would scream racism for needing an ID.

You wouldn't believe the counterfeiting of Health cards up here. They have had to change them twice in order to try and halt that problem. Besides illegals can get medical service by going to clinics and emergency rooms. No one is turned away.

341 apachegunner  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 5:32:10am

re: #319 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Honestly? I'm still not sure about home schooling. Many, many times no problem. Parents are bright, engaging and capable.

What about stupid parents? They do exist. And I am sure they think that they are bright, engaging and capable.

there are many associations of home schoolers willing to assist those who aren't tooo smart in this type education offering a lot to those parents.

342 apachegunner  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 5:32:43am

re: #320 Spenser (with an S)

And a gun with one bullet, I hope.

/for the tv, of course. We've got to stick around to fight.


thanks for qualifying that S

343 laZardo  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 5:33:09am

re: #340 BlueCanuck

"Because the right to be treated for a sickness is a human right, not a luxury!"

/almost got a whole diagonal on that card...

344 OldLineTexan  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 5:33:29am

re: #338 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

‘‘enable the real-time (or near real time) determination of an individual’s financial responsibility at the point of service and, to the extent possible, prior to service, including whether the individual is eligible for a specific service with a specific physician at a specific facility, which may include utilization of a machine-readable health plan beneficiary identification card"

Cleaned up to make more legible?

ha, that will make the heads of champions of open borders explode if it ever comes to pass

wanna vote? no problem

wanna see the doc? nevermind your face, show me your card

345 thedopefishlives  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 5:33:47am

Morning Lizards.

346 apachegunner  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 5:34:03am

re: #325 Pullus Iulius

That's how Elvis woulda done it.


errr, dontcha know he is still alive?

347 Charpete67  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 5:35:18am

re: #339 OldLineTexan

In a free country, children are the parents' responsibility. This has good and bad side effects, but that is one price of liberty.

It's not for everyone and even if you wanted to or were able to, that doesn't mean it's the best for your children.

I was a huge skeptic for a number of reasons. That has obviously changed.

Out of curiosity, what do you see as the "bad" side effects? Are you referring to the individual child or society.

348 3 wood  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 5:35:21am

Here's another tidbit from HR 3200. This is classic left wing moonbat economic thinking. It eliminates any incentive to control costs:

on page 24 you find:

17 SEC. 116. ENSURING VALUE AND LOWER PREMIUMS.
18 (a) IN GENERAL.—A qualified health benefits plan
19 shall meet a medical loss ratio as defined by the Commis20
sioner. For any plan year in which the qualified health
21 benefits plan does not meet such medical loss ratio, QHBP
22 offering entity shall provide in a manner specified by the
23 Commissioner for rebates to enrollees of payment suffi24
cient to meet such loss ratio.


Like I say, there is no reason to control costs, just keep pumping out the money. Then they go even further into their moonbat thinking. On page 25 you get this:


1 (b) BUILDING ON INTERIM RULES.—In imple
2 menting subsection (a), the Commissioner shall build on
3 the definition and methodology developed by the Secretary
4 of Health and Human Services under the amendments
5 made by section 161 for determining how to calculate the
6 medical loss ratio. Such methodology shall be set at the
7 highest level medical loss ratio possible that is designed
8 to ensure adequate participation by QHBP offering enti
9 ties, competition in the health insurance market in and
10 out of the Health Insurance Exchange, and value for con
11 sumers so that their premiums are used for services
.


They actually think that forcing providers to not try to control costs will increase competition. All this will do is eliminate competition cause only the public option will have the ability to cover costs with the Federal checkbook. Why take the risk if you are a private provider?

And the bolded part shows that they actually think that spending money equates with providing services. that is exactly the same diseased thinking that has destroyed the public education system.

349 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 5:38:06am

re: #348 3 wood

Here's another tidbit from HR 3200. This is classic left wing moonbat economic thinking. It eliminates any incentive to control costs:

on page 24 you find:


Like I say, there is no reason to control costs, just keep pumping out the money. Then they go even further into their moonbat thinking. On page 25 you get this:

1 (b) BUILDING ON INTERIM RULES.—In imple
2 menting subsection (a), the Commissioner shall build on
3 the definition and methodology developed by the Secretary
4 of Health and Human Services under the amendments
5 made by section 161 for determining how to calculate the
6 medical loss ratio. Such methodology shall be set at the
7 highest level medical loss ratio possible that is designed
8 to ensure adequate participation by QHBP offering enti
9 ties, competition in the health insurance market in and
10 out of the Health Insurance Exchange, and value for con
11 sumers so that their premiums are used for services
.

They actually think that forcing providers to not try to control costs will increase competition. All this will do is eliminate competition cause only the public option will have the ability to cover costs with the Federal checkbook. Why take the risk if you are a private provider?

And the bolded part shows that they actually think that spending money equates with providing services. that is exactly the same diseased thinking that has destroyed the public education system.

But I don't understand. Iceweasel says there is NOTHING in this "proposal" that would lead to only a single payer public option. Iveweasel says he read the whole bill, and there is no portion of the bill that will eventually cause private insurers to be squeezed out of the business. Iceweasel says...

///

350 thedopefishlives  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 5:38:42am

re: #348 3 wood


And the bolded part shows that they actually think that spending money equates with providing services. that is exactly the same diseased thinking that has destroyed the public education system.

This, in particular, hits close to home for me. The state of public education has been my pet cause for a number of years now, and this statement really is the truth. Throwing money at a problem really does not make it go away. It's HOW the money is used that makes a difference.

351 3 wood  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 5:38:43am

re: #338 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I'm including the specific line numbers so anyone who wants to backtrack can see right where I'm getting this. I'm copying it word for word direct from the legislation as written.

352 Charpete67  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 5:39:38am

re: #341 apachegunner

there are many associations of home schoolers willing to assist those who aren't tooo smart in this type education offering a lot to those parents.

Last year there were 1.1 million children homeschooled according to a National Center for Education Statistics survey...more than most people, including myself, realized. There are a ton of teaching co-ops for things like music, foreign language, science, etc. As the kids get older, they often will audit the higher level classes at the local HS or community college.

353 3 wood  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 5:39:46am

re: #349 Walter L. Newton

Yeah well, Ice says a lot of stuff that makes no sense.

354 Pianobuff  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 5:40:26am

50

That's The One's approval % according to the latest Quinnipiac poll...


Aug. 6 (Bloomberg) -- President Barack Obama’s approval rating is falling amid concerns about the U.S. economy and his push to revamp the U.S. health-care system, a Quinnipiac University poll shows.

Exactly half of the registered voters surveyed from July 27 to Aug. 3 by Quinnipiac said they approve of the job Obama is doing, compared with 42 percent who disapprove. That’s down from 57 percent approval and 33 percent disapproval in a poll taken in late June, according to results released today.

Americans are upset about rising unemployment and worried that health-care plans making their way through Congress will add to the U.S. budget deficit, said Peter Brown, assistant director of the Hamden, Connecticut-based polling institute. The combination has helped drive down the president’s ratings.

A “willingness to give him the benefit of the doubt is, among some voters, evaporating,” Brown told reporters in Washington yesterday.

The poll found that voters disapprove of the way Obama is handling the economy by 49 percent to 45 percent. On his effort to overhaul of the health-care system, 52 percent disapprove of his handling of the issue while 39 percent approve.

Only foreign policy offered a bright spot: 52 percent of poll respondents approved of his job on this front, compared with 38 percent who disapproved.

Quinnipiac took the poll in the middle of a controversy over Obama’s remarks about the arrest of Harvard University scholar Henry Louis Gates Jr. Gates, who is black, was arrested on a disorderly conduct charge after a confrontation at his home in Cambridge, Massachusetts, with a white police officer.

Obama, asked about the incident during a July 22 news conference, said police “acted stupidly” in making the arrest. In the poll, voters by 49 percent to 33 percent said Obama acted “stupidly” when he waded into the matter. Even so, 55 percent said they approved of the way Obama is handling race relations.

The poll surveyed 2,409 registered voters nationwide and has a margin of error of plus or minus 2 percentage points.

355 yochanan  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 5:40:30am

re: #307 BlueCanuck

Apres est chalice
what does this mean in WHITE?

356 midwestgak  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 5:40:45am

re: #348 3 wood

Will existing HSA and FSA accounts be eliminated? Or just not offered going forward?

357 TheMatrix31  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 5:40:58am

3Wood, you're awesome. Are you going to do a report/analysis for the whole bill?

358 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 5:41:32am

re: #351 3 wood

Oh, I know... but the numbers messed it up for me. Figured I might not be the only dumb-ass.

If you had infinite time, I'm sure you could "layman's terms" it for us.

But, unless "Ludicrous Speed" is available to you (both typing and reading) I guess I'll just have to keep struggling to read the damn thing.

359 laZardo  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 5:42:26am

re: #348 3 wood

"Serves the private health insurance industry right for competing to find ways just to screw the public out of healthcare while charging ever-growing premiums!"

/shit! i've almost got four corners!

//should also continue reading that Milton Freeman essay...

360 OldLineTexan  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 5:42:32am

re: #347 Charpete67

It's not for everyone and even if you wanted to or were able to, that doesn't mean it's the best for your children.

I was a huge skeptic for a number of reasons. That has obviously changed.

Out of curiosity, what do you see as the "bad" side effects? Are you referring to the individual child or society.

No, it's not for everyone - I couldn't do it - and it doesn't mean it's best for your children.

But it is the parents' right to decide, and should be in a free country.

Bad side effects? Both - the child may get a skimpy or lopsided education; society will be affected by any child's education and socialization ... I don't think more description is necessary, but let's go for the low-hanging fruit.

Let's say I am as much of a racist as the LLL would have me be (after all, I am a conservative). Let's say I teach my child the most incredibly racist version of EVERY subject, including theories once held dear by libs. Let's say I ensure that my child is kept away from any school or school function that might allow him/her to experience people of other races for themselves. At eighteen, I set that child free of my constraints into society ...

And this is the dark grain of truth at the center of lies surrounding homeschooling ... if your kids aren't in the public schools, they are insulated from the libs' lovely "village". The "village" is not all bad; it is not all good.

/PLEASE note I am neither a racist nor a homeschooler

361 FrogMarch  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 5:42:39am

re: #348 3 wood


They actually think that forcing providers to not try to control costs will increase competition. All this will do is eliminate competition cause only the public option will have the ability to cover costs with the Federal checkbook. Why take the risk if you are a private provider?

And the bolded part shows that they actually think that spending money equates with providing services. that is exactly the same diseased thinking that has destroyed the public education system.

I couldn't agree more. /But 3 Wood - it will be "free!"
It's all a Trojan horse for single payer.

362 apachegunner  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 5:43:06am

re: #354 Pianobuff

50

That's The One's approval % according to the latest Quinnipiac poll...

the people that support that man are vermin at best, in my mind anyway.

363 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 5:43:08am

re: #355 yochanan

Apres est chalice
what does this mean in WHITE?

After the cup?

364 3 wood  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 5:43:43am

re: #350 thedopefishlives

Throwing money at a problem really does not make it go away. It's HOW the money is used that makes a difference.

but you see, that money funds Democratic Party political strogholds.

One aspect of this legislation is it will creat another huge money making machine for the Democratic party, and a whole lot of jobs to dole out.

The Chicago Machine has come to Washington.

365 TheMatrix31  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 5:44:34am

re: #362 apachegunner

the people that support that man are vermin at best, in my mind anyway.

I hate feeling this way, because I know it's not the right way to feel, but I seriously have contempt for anyone who did and continues to support this guy.

366 3 wood  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 5:45:03am

re: #354 Pianobuff

Expect to have left wing talking points provided shortly as to why that poll means nothing.

367 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 5:45:46am

re: #364 3 wood

Occurred to me yesterday that "end of life" will be determined by government people who know how much "death tax benefit" the government will get.

368 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 5:45:49am

re: #355 yochanan

Apres est chalice
what does this mean in WHITE?

And what do you mean by "WHITE?"

369 apachegunner  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 5:45:50am

re: #365 TheMatrix31

I hate feeling this way, because I know it's not the right way to feel, but I seriously have contempt for anyone who did and continues to support this guy.


surely, as do I

370 Leonidas Hoplite  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 5:45:56am

re: #362 apachegunner

the people that support that man are vermin at best, in my mind anyway.

Some are, but I think many are just regular people in denial - they don't want to beleive they were snookered into voting for the guy and now can't face the fact that all his rhetoric was just empty promises

371 laZardo  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 5:46:00am

re: #361 FrogMarch

"The only people paying for it are the people who deserve to pay for it."

/aren't most of the top 25 highest-paying jobs in America in the skilled medical profession?

372 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 5:46:09am

re: #365 TheMatrix31

I hate feeling this way, because I know it's not the right way to feel, but I seriously have contempt for anyone who did and continues to support this guy.

Just ask them why they support him. Use logic and reason to destroy their argument, if they have one.

373 BlueCanuck  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 5:46:13am

re: #355 yochanan

Apres est chalice
what does this mean in WHITE?

Quebecois curse phrase. Means "by the chalice" or something like that. Other phrases are "Sacrament", "Este Tabernac", "Tabernac Este". There's a few others that I have forgotten. The army is great for picking up new languages, eh?

374 laZardo  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 5:46:57am

re: #373 BlueCanuck

Other phrases are "Sacrament", "Este Tabernac", "Tabernac Este".

Sacrebl-

/punched in face

375 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 5:47:25am

re: #373 BlueCanuck

Quebecois curse phrase. Means "by the chalice" or something like that. Other phrases are "Sacrament", "Este Tabernac", "Tabernac Este". There's a few others that I have forgotten. The army is great for picking up new languages, eh?

As I stated above, it literally translates "after the cup" otherwise it would normally be read as "after the drink."

376 apachegunner  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 5:47:31am

re: #370 Leonidas Hoplite

Some are, but I think many are just regular people in denial - they don't want to beleive they were snookered into voting for the guy and now can't face the fact that all his rhetoric was just empty promises


those people are those who are "sheeple"

377 3 wood  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 5:47:36am

re: #356 midwestgak

Will existing HSA and FSA accounts be eliminated? Or just not offered going forward?

Not sure yet, but I'm getting the clear impression that they want to eliminate Medicare and Medicaid and fold that in to this.

Think about that one for a minute, seniors.

378 yochanan  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 5:47:59am

re: #368 Walter L. Newton

THE QUEBEC NATIONALIST say to speak english is to speak white.

379 TheMatrix31  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 5:48:44am

re: #372 Cannadian Club Akbar

Just ask them why they support him. Use logic and reason to destroy their argument, if they have one.

Not even worth it.

re: #370 Leonidas Hoplite

Some are, but I think many are just regular people in denial - they don't want to beleive they were snookered into voting for the guy and now can't face the fact that all his rhetoric was just empty promises

And ironically, we hate him because he became everything we knew he was.

380 Leonidas Hoplite  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 5:48:45am

re: #376 apachegunner

those people are those who are "sheeple"

Agreed

381 FrogMarch  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 5:48:54am

re: #371 laZardo

"The only people paying for it are the people who deserve to pay for it."

/aren't most of the top 25 highest-paying jobs in America in the skilled medical profession?

So the dreaded members of the skilled medical profession will be paying their increased taxation so they can treat their patients for less money.
Eventually, as in Europe, the pool of folks in those upper tax brackets gets smaller - and the system runs out of folks to tax. Oh joy.

382 BlueCanuck  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 5:48:54am

re: #375 Walter L. Newton

As I stated above, it literally translates "after the cup" otherwise it would normally be read as "after the drink."

I might have mis-spelled it, I always heard it never saw it written down. The chalice is the one used for communion.

383 lincolntf  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 5:49:33am

Morning all.

It seems that the MA universal health care plan has taken a familiar path...
So many cousins, so few slots

384 nonic  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 5:49:39am

Thinking out loud...

One of the sad things, maybe tragic, even, about the Obama presidency and his attack on American values and institutions and citizenry is that he is forever destroying what might have been true pride in "the first African-American president of the United States."

385 Charpete67  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 5:49:44am

re: #360 OldLineTexan

No, it's not for everyone - I couldn't do it - and it doesn't mean it's best for your children.

But it is the parents' right to decide, and should be in a free country.

Bad side effects? Both - the child may get a skimpy or lopsided education; society will be affected by any child's education and socialization ... I don't think more description is necessary, but let's go for the low-hanging fruit.

Let's say I am as much of a racist as the LLL would have me be (after all, I am a conservative). Let's say I teach my child the most incredibly racist version of EVERY subject, including theories once held dear by libs. Let's say I ensure that my child is kept away from any school or school function that might allow him/her to experience people of other races for themselves. At eighteen, I set that child free of my constraints into society ...

And this is the dark grain of truth at the center of lies surrounding homeschooling ... if your kids aren't in the public schools, they are insulated from the libs' lovely "village". The "village" is not all bad; it is not all good.

/PLEASE note I am neither a racist nor a homeschooler

fair enough...as I said..or at least inferred...I'm not one of those people that advocates home schooling for every kid...I'm also well aware of the possibility of the scenario you outlined above (or some other wing nut education). I think I, like many home school parents, don't like to be pegged in a certain way or have someone assume that we are doing it to avoid the "village"...there are many reasons to home school and in my personal opinion, and for us, the reasons have very little to do with any religious reasons or sheltering reasons.

386 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 5:49:45am

re: #373 BlueCanuck

Quebecois curse phrase. Means "by the chalice" or something like that. Other phrases are "Sacrament", "Este Tabernac", "Tabernac Este". There's a few others that I have forgotten. The army is great for picking up new languages, eh?

Explain. "Apres" is after, not "by." And technically "est" is "is."

387 3 wood  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 5:49:47am

re: #357 TheMatrix31

Are you going to do a report/analysis for the whole bill?

Ultimately yes. but I'm also providing key sections here word for word to provide you all with the specific references to deal with the spinning that might appear.

388 OldLineTexan  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 5:50:02am

OT: Lib talkshow host wishes for Glenn Beck to commit suicide (by gun) on camera

Next time you're told what a nasty, swastika-carrying extremist you are for opposing Obamacare, take heart. The people that hate you are really, really nice.

/

389 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 5:50:09am

re: #378 yochanan

THE QUEBEC NATIONALIST say to speak english is to speak white.

And you are a "THE QUEBEC NATIONALIST?"

390 reine.de.tout  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 5:50:32am

re: #377 3 wood

Not sure yet, but I'm getting the clear impression that they want to eliminate Medicare and Medicaid and fold that in to this.

Think about that one for a minute, seniors.

Why wouldn't they fold those into this?
If there is one primary health plan, and it is the government's health plan, it would only make sense to fold in older existing government health plans into the new one.

3wood - do you have any sense of what's going to happen? Is this boodoggle going to be approved by Congress?

391 BatGuano  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 5:50:50am

Goodnight, everyone. Stay ectothermic.

392 Leonidas Hoplite  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 5:50:58am

re: #381 FrogMarch

So the dreaded members of the skilled medical profession will be paying their increased taxation so they can treat their patients for less money.
Eventually, as in Europe, the pool of folks in those upper tax brackets gets smaller - and the system runs out of folks to tax. Oh joy.

That's when we'll start importing cheap labor - I mean, more cheap labor - to prop up the house of cards. It's not working out so well in Europe.

393 FrogMarch  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 5:51:04am

re: #383 lincolntf

Morning all.

It seems that the MA universal health care plan has taken a familiar path...
So many cousins, so few slots

But but but - we need all those high paid government bureaucrat managers.

394 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 5:51:16am

re: #384 nonic

Absolutely. Hell I said that before inauguration that I hoped he would be great, for that very reason. Because if he wasn't, we may not see another black man in the White House for a very long time.

395 3 wood  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 5:51:25am

re: #359 laZardo

"Serves the private health insurance industry right for competing to find ways just to screw the public out of healthcare while charging ever-growing premiums!"

Gordon, is that you?

396 OldLineTexan  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 5:51:36am

re: #385 Charpete67

Of course; almost all the homeschoolers I know are doing it out of dedication and love.

But I know what the no-choice people say.

397 laZardo  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 5:52:07am

re: #381 FrogMarch

"Why not? They took their oath to help people, not to profit off them!"

/I wonder if I can go for a complete blot-out in two threads...

398 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 5:52:36am

re: #388 OldLineTexan

OT: Lib talkshow host wishes for Glenn Beck to commit suicide (by gun) on camera

Next time you're told what a nasty, swastika-carrying extremist you are for opposing Obamacare, take heart. The people that hate you are really, really nice.

/

The left sure is classy, huh?
/

399 Pianobuff  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 5:52:47am

re: #388 OldLineTexan

OT: Lib talkshow host wishes for Glenn Beck to commit suicide (by gun) on camera

Next time you're told what a nasty, swastika-carrying extremist you are for opposing Obamacare, take heart. The people that hate you are really, really nice.

/

This is just the kind of "fishy" talk that cannot stand. I'm telling the White House on you.

/s

400 3 wood  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 5:52:57am

re: #390 reine.de.tout

3wood - do you have any sense of what's going to happen? Is this boodoggle going to be approved by Congress?

They are going to pass something, they have to politically, or else they have completely kneecapped their Messiah.

Just how crazy it is will depend a lot on what happens at various public/congresscritter meetings this month.

401 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 5:53:48am

re: #398 Cannadian Club Akbar

The fanatic left sure is classy, huh?
/

Coming from both fringe ends.

402 BlueCanuck  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 5:53:52am

re: #386 Walter L. Newton

Explain. "Apres" is after, not "by." And technically "est" is "is."

Yes you are right. Unfortunately I failed French in High School. All the phrases I picked up were post and they were all learned by ear. When you have a Quebecer Master Corporal screaming at you on a near daily basis it tends to soak in.

/what was funnier was listening to him speak english. :)
//Mandy would have been shocked...

403 yochanan  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 5:54:02am

it would seem to be a anti church thing implying doing something with the priest.
in the past Quebec was very much run by the church and the most anti semitic place in north America.

404 yochanan  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 5:54:32am

re: #389 Walter L. Newton

it was a joke DUH EH

405 laZardo  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 5:54:36am

re: #395 3 wood

...Freeman?

406 nonic  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 5:54:37am

re: #313 Spenser (with an S)

We do not have the temperament or abilities to teach our 4 at home, but I'll add "Thank God for our Christian schools and our church for making it affordable".

/and the science teachers know the earth isn't 10k years old, by the way.

Me, too. I raised 5 boys and could NEVER have homeschooled them. I was lucky enough to be able to send them to Catholic school, where they had excellent science education, btw. But I greatly admire parents who have the courage and ENERGY to teach their kids at home. I knew some. And I believe it is their RIGHT to do so.

407 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 5:55:09am

re: #400 3 wood


They are going to pass something, they have to politically, or else they have completely kneecapped their Messiah.

heh... They'll change the name of a program and call it HealthCare legislation.

408 Charpete67  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 5:55:48am

re: #396 OldLineTexan

Of course; almost all the homeschoolers I know are doing it out of dedication and love.

But I know what the no-choice people say.

We live across the street from a public school teacher who had a big Obama sign in the yard last fall. They are our best friends on the block and we have a beer or two with them almost every week and their kids are our kids best friends.

We've never talked politics (other than an occasional joke)...but, I wonder what she thinks.

409 TheMatrix31  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 5:56:54am

re: #387 3 wood

Ultimately yes. but I'm also providing key sections here word for word to provide you all with the specific references to deal with the spinning that might appear.

You're awesome, dude.

410 lincolntf  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 5:57:39am

re: #399 Pianobuff

I've seen people at blogs say they've been sending in tons of Internet crap to the "Flag" site (how fucking creepy is that name? It's worse than "Serve.Gov"), but it's hard to know if they're BS'ing or not.
I think it would be hilarious if they got 10,000 e-mails of Rick Astley to every "genuine" complaint, but I'm wondering if people can get in trouble for that kind of stuff.

411 OldLineTexan  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 5:57:50am

re: #399 Pianobuff

;)

412 Charpete67  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 5:58:31am

re: #410 lincolntf

I've seen people at blogs say they've been sending in tons of Internet crap to the "Flag" site (how fucking creepy is that name? It's worse than "Serve.Gov"), but it's hard to know if they're BS'ing or not.
I think it would be hilarious if they got 10,000 e-mails of Rick Astley to every "genuine" complaint, but I'm wondering if people can get in trouble for that kind of stuff.

...Rick Roll the WH...nice.

413 TheMatrix31  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 5:59:13am

re: #388 OldLineTexan

OT: Lib talkshow host wishes for Glenn Beck to commit suicide (by gun) on camera

Next time you're told what a nasty, swastika-carrying extremist you are for opposing Obamacare, take heart. The people that hate you are really, really nice.

/

What a piece of shit.

414 HoosierHoops  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 5:59:18am

Good Morning Lizards! How is everyone today?
Day 5 on vacation and I still haven't wrecked the boat on the lake...
/

415 OldLineTexan  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 5:59:38am

re: #408 Charpete67

We live across the street from a public school teacher who had a big Obama sign in the yard last fall. They are our best friends on the block and we have a beer or two with them almost every week and their kids are our kids best friends.

We've never talked politics (other than an occasional joke)...but, I wonder what she thinks.

I am fortunate to live in a fairly traditional small-town school district. I have no idea of the teachers' politics. It's wonderful.

416 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 5:59:46am

re: #412 Charpete67

...Rick Roll the WH...nice.

Do it live!

417 nonic  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 6:00:13am

re: #319 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Honestly? I'm still not sure about home schooling. Many, many times no problem. Parents are bright, engaging and capable.

What about stupid parents? They do exist. And I am sure they think that they are bright, engaging and capable.

I know in my state, and I think in most states, homeschooling parents have to submit plans to local education authorities, cover a prescribed list of subjects, use certain texts, and the kids have to pass standardized tests like everyone else.

Homeschool kids actually have a higher college acceptance rate than public school kids.

418 OldLineTexan  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 6:00:24am

re: #413 TheMatrix31

What a piece of shit.

Glenn Beck IS inciting people to violence.

Unfortunately, it seems to include the Libs.

419 Charpete67  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 6:00:55am

re: #416 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Do it live!

...! coffee spew...

420 apachegunner  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 6:01:05am

re: #394 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Absolutely. Hell I said that before inauguration that I hoped he would be great, for that very reason. Because if he wasn't, we may not see another black man in the White House for a very long time.

nope, a woman is next I bet. Just pray that it isn't one of the nitwits from California!

421 3 wood  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 6:01:12am

Here's another tidbit from HR 3200 for your consideration:

On page 26 you find

SEC. 122. ESSENTIAL BENEFITS PACKAGE DEFINED

. Under subsection (b) MINIMUM SERVICES TO BE COVERED., part 4 you find this


(4) Such services, equipment, and supplies inci
4 dent to the services of a physician’s or a health pro
5 fessional’s delivery of care in institutional settings,
6 physician offices, patients’ homes or place of resi
7 dence, or other settings,

as appropriate.

"as appropriate"? Defined by who? Near as I can tell, ultimately the Health Plan Commissioner, that's who. And who will be a political appointment by the Messiah.

Rev. Wright is unemployed, maybe he will get the job and decide your health care future for you.

422 thedopefishlives  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 6:01:26am

re: #414 HoosierHoops

Good Morning Lizards! How is everyone today?
Day 5 on vacation and I still haven't wrecked the boat on the lake...
/

Morning Hoops. Doing well, glad to know you're still afloat. Heh.

Does anyone know if spam ("unsolicited bulk email") is outlawed in the United States? If so, then it's conceivably possible that someone might try to make a case for busting the people Rickrolling the WH Big Brother email address.

423 Charpete67  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 6:01:51am

re: #416 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Do it live!

...I love the fact that he doesn't stop until the whole song is over

424 Leonidas Hoplite  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 6:02:13am

re: #414 HoosierHoops

Good Morning Lizards! How is everyone today?
Day 5 on vacation and I still haven't wrecked the boat on the lake...
/

I can't wait for my vacation - going to Gloucester, MA and sit on Good Harbor Beach for a week.

425 OldLineTexan  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 6:02:19am

re: #419 Charpete67

...! coffee spew...

Good voice.

426 laZardo  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 6:02:34am

re: #414 HoosierHoops

Checking out these North Korean agitprop cartoon series someone posted on the 'Tube and finding the gratuitous violence both entertaining (kung fu fightin' squirrels with guns. FUN!) and highly disturbing (this is what North Korean children are indoctrinated with every day. Think about it...).

427 Pianobuff  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 6:03:07am

re: #410 lincolntf

I've seen people at blogs say they've been sending in tons of Internet crap to the "Flag" site (how fucking creepy is that name? It's worse than "Serve.Gov"), but it's hard to know if they're BS'ing or not.
I think it would be hilarious if they got 10,000 e-mails of Rick Astley to every "genuine" complaint, but I'm wondering if people can get in trouble for that kind of stuff.

I have a feeling that some administrator dealing with incoming has already let out the scream that can only mean "I've been goat se'd".

428 apachegunner  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 6:03:15am

re: #400 3 wood

They are going to pass something, they have to politically, or else they have completely kneecapped their Messiah.

Just how crazy it is will depend a lot on what happens at various public/congresscritter meetings this month.


It is my understanding that most of the meetings are being cancelled and the demoncrats are hiding behind closed doors.

429 Leonidas Hoplite  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 6:03:48am

re: #428 apachegunner

It is my understanding that most of the meetings are being cancelled and the demoncrats are hiding behind closed doors.


Cowards. Unbeleivable.

430 laZardo  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 6:03:55am

re: #421 3 wood

"Defined by, oh, the HOSPITAL HEAD STAFF?"

/I need to print out new cards, but I think I've killed enough trees today. q;

431 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 6:03:55am

re: #418 OldLineTexan

"They say that rock and roll music leads to violence. And they're right, Nickelback music makes me want to kill Nickelback."
-Brian Posehn

432 laZardo  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 6:04:24am

re: #431 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

"They say that rock and roll music leads to violence. And they're right, Nickelback music makes me want to kill Nickelback."
-Brian Posehn

CAUSE WE ALL JUSTAWANNA BE BIG ROCK STARS

/shit's catchy, bro

433 Spenser (with an S)  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 6:04:34am

re: #352 Charpete67


re: #341 apachegunner

there are many associations of home schoolers willing to assist those who aren't tooo smart in this type education offering a lot to those parents.

Last year there were 1.1 million children homeschooled according to a National Center for Education Statistics survey...more than most people, including myself, realized. There are a ton of teaching co-ops for things like music, foreign language, science, etc. As the kids get older, they often will audit the higher level classes at the local HS or community college.

Our good friends homeschool and their son got #2 in the National Spelling Bee a couple of months ago.

434 BlueCanuck  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 6:04:45am

re: #427 Pianobuff

I have a feeling that some administrator dealing with incoming has already let out the scream that can only mean "I've been goat se'd".

Imagine the poor bastard that gets "two girls..."

/much worse

435 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 6:05:00am

re: #428 apachegunner

It is my understanding that most of the meetings are being cancelled and the demoncrats are hiding behind closed doors.

Kathy Castor is having one in Tampa today. She voted for the tabbakkie tax that put 500 Tampa residents out of work.

436 HoosierHoops  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 6:05:55am

re: #426 laZardo

Checking out these North Korean agitprop cartoon series someone posted on the 'Tube and finding the gratuitous violence both entertaining (kung fu fightin' squirrels with guns. FUN!) and highly disturbing (this is what North Korean children are indoctrinated with every day. Think about it...).

good morning friend...I can't get any video thru my VPN up here...
Maybe we could have a contest...What is more disturbing...Gaza Cartoons or NOKO cartoons...
probably a close contest

437 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 6:05:56am

re: #432 laZardo

/shit's catchy, bro

So's H1N1.

438 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 6:06:29am

re: #435 Cannadian Club Akbar

Kathy Castor is having one in Tampa today. She voted for the tabbakkie tax that put 500 Tampa residents out of work.

Cigar rollers?

439 Leonidas Hoplite  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 6:06:32am

re: #437 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

So's H1N1.

Can someone remind me why I'm not supposed to call it Swine Flu?

440 laZardo  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 6:06:49am

re: #437 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Hence, shit's catchy.

441 [deleted]  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 6:07:49am
442 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 6:08:28am

re: #438 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Cigar rollers?

Cigar manufacturing. Not sure if they roll them, but they might.

443 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 6:09:01am

re: #431 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

oops... correct quote...

"Music doesn't make people violent. Bad music makes people violent. For example: Nickelback makes me want to kill... Nickelback."

-Brian Posehn

444 lincolntf  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 6:09:11am

re: #429 Leonidas Hoplite

Yeah. Imagine if your bosses all wanted to talk to you about a huge job and you locked yourself in the office and refused to come out or take calls? You'd be flippin' burgers in no time flat. These cowardly wretches in Congress will just take an extra junket.

445 laZardo  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 6:10:06am

re: #436 HoosierHoops

Gaza cartoons probably. At least in NoKo cartoons the furries are taking it out on each other. q;

446 nonic  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 6:10:31am

re: #356 midwestgak

Will existing HSA and FSA accounts be eliminated? Or just not offered going forward?

Hell! Rememer when Pelosi wanted to CONFISCATE 401(k)s?

447 OldLineTexan  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 6:10:39am

re: #426 laZardo

Checking out these North Korean agitprop cartoon series someone posted on the 'Tube and finding the gratuitous violence both entertaining (kung fu fightin' squirrels with guns. FUN!) and highly disturbing (this is what North Korean children are indoctrinated with every day. Think about it...).

That chipmunk waterboarded that crow!

I'm telling flag!

/

448 HoosierHoops  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 6:10:44am

re: #422 thedopefishlives

Morning Hoops. Doing well, glad to know you're still afloat. Heh.

Does anyone know if spam ("unsolicited bulk email") is outlawed in the United States? If so, then it's conceivably possible that someone might try to make a case for busting the people Rickrolling the WH Big Brother email address.

There are certain private networks that outlaw it...But we use stacks of proof point servers on the Enterprise to stop spam...If there was a law there would be a shit load of people behind bars... I hate spam..
/And no it's not because somebody keeps telling me my wee wee is to small and for 19.95 I can be John Holmes...I don't feel insecure at all...
//

449 OldLineTexan  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 6:11:01am

re: #446 nonic

Hell! Rememer when Pelosi wanted to CONFISCATE 401(k)s?

You put that in the past tense, like she's changed her mind.

/

450 apachegunner  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 6:11:15am

re: #429 Leonidas Hoplite

Cowards. Unbeleivable.

yes, and just watch them vote for the healthcare bill and the bastards will vote for them in the next election without a thought.

451 thedopefishlives  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 6:11:36am

re: #448 HoosierHoops

Ok, so it's at a network level rather than a legal mandate. FIRE UP THE MAIL SERVER, MAUDE!

452 laZardo  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 6:13:20am

re: #439 Leonidas Hoplite

It's neither kosher nor halal.

/as it happens...

453 3 wood  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 6:13:34am

Here's another goodie from HR 3200, then I have to get busy with other things:

On page 30 it talks about SEC. 123. HEALTH BENEFITS ADVISORY COMMITTEE.

So what is this and who is on it?

12 (a) ESTABLISHMENT.—
13 (1) IN GENERAL.—There is established a pri14
vate-public advisory committee which shall be a
15 panel of medical and other experts to be known as
16 the Health Benefits Advisory Committee to rec17
ommend covered benefits and essential, enhanced,
18 and premium plans.
19 (2) CHAIR.—The Surgeon General shall be a
20 member and the chair of the Health Benefits Advi21
sory Committee.
22 (3) MEMBERSHIP.—The Health BenefitsAdv
i23 sory Committee shall be composed of the following
24 members, in addition to the Surgeon General:

(now on page 31)


1 (A) 9 members who are not Federal em
2 ployees or officers and who are appointed by
3 the President.

4 (B) 9 members who are not Federal em
5 ployees or officers and who are appointed by
6 the Comptroller General of the United States
in
7 a manner similar to the manner in which the
8 Comptroller General appoints members to the
9 Medicare Payment Advisory Commission under
10 section 1805(c) of the Social Security Act.
11 (C) Such even number of members (not to
12 exceed 8) who are Federal employees and offi
13 cers, as the President may appoint.


so how long do they serve?

(4) TERMS.—Each member of the Health Bene18
fits Advisory Committee shall serve a 3-year term on
19 the Committee, except that the terms of the initial
20 members shall be adjusted in order to provide for a
21 staggered term of appointment for all such mem22
bers.

and what is their focus?

23 (5) PARTICIPATION.—The membership of the
24 Health Benefits Advisory Committee shall at least
25 reflect providers, consumer representatives, employ-
1 ers, labor, health insurance issuers, experts in health
2 care financing and delivery, experts in racial and
3 ethnic disparities,
experts in care for those with dis4
abilities, representatives of relevant governmental
5 agencies. and at least one practicing physician or
6 other health professional and an expert on children’s
7 health
and shall represent a balance among various
8 sectors of the health care system so that no single
9 sector unduly influences the recommendations of
10 such Committee.


So with all the left wing special interest groups pursuing their interests, they are allowing one, count 'em, "at least one practicing physician or other health professional" on this monstrosity to determine yourhealth care future.

Oh, their duties, you ask?

(b) DUTIES.—
12 (1) RECOMMENDATIONS ON BENEFIT STAND13
ARDS.—The Health Benefits Advisory Committee
14 shall recommend to the Secretary of Health and
15 Human Services (in this subtitle referred to as the
16 ‘‘Secretary’’) benefit standards (as defined in para17
graph (4)), and periodic updates to such standards.
18 In developing such recommendations, the Committee
19 shall take into account innovation in health care and
20 consider how such standards could reduce health dis21
parities.

Nothing less than your benefit standards. Now go back up and read the list of people who will be determining this and who they answer to.

Do you see anywhere in there where you have any say about anything about your own health care?

454 realwest  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 6:14:36am

Good Morning y'all - from a pleasant (70 degrees going up to 88 dgrees) bright and sunny Charlotte!
Mom and I are doing well and I hope y'all are too!

455 Salamantis  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 6:14:46am

re: #441 mksmash

Charles refuses to leave a tern unstoned, and an idiotarianism unaddressed, whether it's an idiotarianism mainly embraced by leftists, by rightists, or is an equal opportunity memetic crap infection. It's what this site does.

456 SixDegrees  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 6:15:05am

re: #306 Walter L. Newton

Anybody see the disconnect?

"Toyota's Corolla sedan overtook the Ford Focus as the best-selling vehicle in the "clunker" program. Toyota had two other passenger cars, the Prius hybrid and the Camry, in the top five. The Honda Motor Co Civic was No. 3."
[]
"... the program, which is mainly aimed at boosting U.S. sales overall and helping General Motors Co and Chrysler Group recover from bankruptcy."

[Link: money.cnn.com...]

I commented earlier this week that the domestic auto company with the best showing in CFC - Ford - was also the only domestic auto company that didn't take Federal funding. They're also the only company to show a year-over-year sales increase, and have been expanding their market share at the expense of their two domestic pseudo-rivals, as well.

Over across the pond, Barclay's bank announced a 5 billion dollar profit for the last quarter - the only British bank to do so, and also the only British bank that opted out of bailout funds.

Odd, that. It seems as though the key to survival and success is...sound management. Who woulda thunk?

457 Pianobuff  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 6:15:52am

re: #453 3 wood

Here's another goodie from HR 3200, then I have to get busy with other things:

On page 30 it talks about SEC. 123. HEALTH BENEFITS ADVISORY COMMITTEE.

So what is this and who is on it?

Nothing less than your benefit standards. Now go back up and read the list of people who will be determining this and who they answer to.

Do you see anywhere in there where you have any say about anything about your own health care?


Thanks for sharing. Can't wait to see your analysis!

458 nonic  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 6:16:26am

re: #377 3 wood

Not sure yet, but I'm getting the clear impression that they want to eliminate Medicare and Medicaid and fold that in to this.

Think about that one for a minute, seniors.

That's where the big time rationing comes in.

I would have thought rationing would have started with 80-year-olds. But apparently, it starts at 65 and even 59 for some treataments.

459 Mad Al-Jaffee  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 6:17:01am

re: #426 laZardo

Checking out these North Korean agitprop cartoon series someone posted on the 'Tube and finding the gratuitous violence both entertaining (kung fu fightin' squirrels with guns. FUN!) and highly disturbing (this is what North Korean children are indoctrinated with every day. Think about it...).

I wish I could watch that at work. I'll have to remember to check it out tonight. Is it anything like Worker & Parasite?

Oh, and good morning scaly egg layers.

460 FrogMarch  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 6:17:15am

I hear Obama do this a lot: He smugly says 'No more debate, we need this reform", then essentially laughs and mocks those who are on Medicare who are concerned about its sustainability. 'See - you like government run health care - so whats the problem?'
Whatever Obama. You jerk.

Seniors defend Medicare plan Obama calls 'wasteful'

461 nonic  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 6:18:02am

I wish that some one would start an effective campaign simply to force the president, Congress, and federal employees into the same system they dump us peons into.

That's all. Just that.

Make it apply to them, too.

WTF shouldn't it?!

462 realwest  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 6:18:23am

re: #453 3 wood
Good morning 3 wood! I don't see where I have any say about it, NOR DO I SEE WHERE MY DOCTOR HAS ANY SAY ABOUT IT EITHER!

463 Spenser (with an S)  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 6:19:03am

re: #455 Salamantis

re: #441 mksmash

Charles refuses to leave a tern unstoned, and an idiotarianism unaddressed, whether it's an idiotarianism mainly embraced by leftists, by rightists, or is an equal opportunity memetic crap infection. It's what this site does

Correct, but Charles also asked that we not play "Gang up on the stupid Christian who until now has seemed like a rational anti-jihadist and has added much to the discussion here."

It has made some of us old-earth Christians uncomfortable.

464 Pianobuff  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 6:19:29am

WAPO says Senate Healthcare Bill Moving Toward the Center


The emerging Finance Committee bill would shave about $100 billion off the projected trillion-dollar cost of the legislation over the next decade and eventually provide coverage to 94 percent of Americans, according to participants in the talks. It would expand Medicaid, crack down on insurers, abandon the government insurance option that President Obama is seeking and, for the first time, tax health-care benefits under the most generous plans. Backers say the bill would also offer the only concrete plan before Congress for reining in the skyrocketing cost of federal health programs over the long term.

Three Democrats and three Republicans from the Senate Finance Committee will brief Obama on Thursday about the progress of their sometimes arduous talks, which are now set to extend through the August recess. The negotiators are holding the details close as they continue to debate key issues, and it could be a challenge for them to meet the Sept. 15 deadline set by the committee's chairman, Max Baucus (D-Mont.), for a deal.

Even if the partnership does not result in legislation, Democratic leaders are already contemplating ways to preserve much of what it produces as they look to unite their party and pick up Republican votes when the health-care debate moves to the Senate floor in the fall. The Finance Committee coalition is seeking compromise on some of the most complex issues facing Congress, including how to compel employers to continue providing insurance to their workers; how to more fairly distribute government subsidies for coverage; and who and how many should be allowed to remain uninsured.

465 lincolntf  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 6:20:21am

re: #461 nonic

Might as well ask them to send their kids to public school, live in a public housing development or use public transportation. They run the stuff, they don't actually use it.

466 Leonidas Hoplite  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 6:20:45am

re: #450 apachegunner

yes, and just watch them vote for the healthcare bill and the bastards will vote for them in the next election without a thought.

Alas, I beleive you are correct.

467 quiet man  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 6:21:02am

re: #461 nonic

This trap springs on our congress too...when choice is eliminated, there will be a snap back in quality and procedures. Those who see themselves as our goverment elites will always have different healthcare than the peasants. The laws never apply to out elected elite and they never will.

468 laZardo  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 6:21:05am

re: #454 realwest

Oh, hello. (:

469 3 wood  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 6:21:42am

re: #405 laZardo

Nah, it's probably before your time but "Gordon", AKA Nodrog, was a lefty troll that we used to have fun with around here.

You could conjure him up out of his hole every day just by posting csomehting complimentary about Charles. i used to do it a lot to liven up a slow afternoon, worked alsmost every time.

Actually I think "Gordon" was a password shared on a Poly Sci Dept on a left coast university campus. There were very clearly several speech patterns and response styles at different times of the day from the same nic.

470 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 6:22:03am

re: #462 realwest

Good morning 3 wood! I don't see where I have any say about it, NOR DO I SEE WHERE MY DOCTOR HAS ANY SAY ABOUT IT EITHER!

You can't be trusted to have any say in it. Sorry, Real.

471 Leonidas Hoplite  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 6:22:21am

re: #452 laZardo

It's neither kosher nor halal.

/as it happens...


Ugh. Have the bounds of PCness no limit?

472 quiet man  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 6:22:51am

re: #471 Leonidas Hoplite
No limit I can see from here

473 TheMatrix31  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 6:23:25am

My friend asked me today about my thoughts on the healthcare stuff. He's going into medical school and not up to snuff on politics. I didn't really get into it because my super-liberal, pro-socialized medicine friend was there so I didn't want to turn it into a debate, not to mention I didn't have my full resources available to me.

He's worried about how it's going to affect him in the future as a medical practitioner. I don't blame him. Wish he'd come read LGF.

474 realwest  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 6:23:28am

And in case it hasn't been posted yet, only an additional 69,000 people claimed unevmployment benefits, bring tht total to 6.3 million! The goverment says tht the number of newly-laid off workers seeking unemployment benefits last week fell, fresh evidence that layoffs are easing.
Only 550,000 people filed initial joblems beneftis, down from an upwardly revised figure of 588,000.

475 3 wood  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 6:23:42am

re: #407 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

heh... They'll change the name of a program and call it HealthCare legislation.

At the risk of sounding morbid, I think they will wait until Ted Kennedy passes from his health problems (and I'm not wishing for that, by the way), and then pass something in his name

476 laZardo  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 6:23:50am

re: #459 Mad Al-Jaffee

Morning Mad.

Should be that much more glorious. q;

477 TheMatrix31  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 6:24:16am

Nice to see you around, Real...hope you're feeling alright!

478 thedopefishlives  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 6:24:24am

re: #474 realwest

And in case it hasn't been posted yet, only an additional 69,000 people claimed unevmployment benefits, bring tht total to 6.3 million! The goverment says tht the number of newly-laid off workers seeking unemployment benefits last week fell, fresh evidence that layoffs are easing.
Only 550,000 people filed initial joblems beneftis, down from an upwardly revised figure of 588,000.

Sounds like something my CEO would say. "The economy isn't getting worse as fast as it was, so that means it's improving!" ...*boggles*

479 apachegunner  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 6:24:30am

re: #461 nonic

I wish that some one would start an effective campaign simply to force the president, Congress, and federal employees into the same system they dump us peons into.

That's all. Just that.

Make it apply to them, too.

WTF shouldn't it?!

it's call universal, correct?

480 laZardo  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 6:24:40am

re: #469 3 wood

Oh, that guy. Think I may remember him/them(?) from my early LGF days.

481 Spenser (with an S)  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 6:24:45am

re: #467 quiet man


This trap springs on our congress too...when choice is eliminated, there will be a snap back in quality and procedures. Those who see themselves as our goverment elites will always have different healthcare than the peasants. The laws never apply to out elected elite and they never will

Until the lack of research on procedures and drugs takes its toll on the whole world who has been getting a free ride on our "for-profit" companies pushing this care forward at an incredible pace.

482 realwest  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 6:24:45am

re: #474 realwest
Ooops, sorry, link is [Link: enews.earthlink.net...]

483 HoosierHoops  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 6:25:21am

re: #462 realwest

Good morning 3 wood! I don't see where I have any say about it, NOR DO I SEE WHERE MY DOCTOR HAS ANY SAY ABOUT IT EITHER!

Good Morning Realwest!
Glad to hear you and mom are feeling well today

484 MandyManners  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 6:25:33am

re: #464 Pianobuff

WAPO says Senate Healthcare Bill Moving Toward the Center

I say that WAPO is full of a buncha' commie crap.

485 Mad Al-Jaffee  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 6:25:41am

re: #476 laZardo

I forwarded the url to my home email. I'll watch it tonight.

There's a really good documentary about North Korea. I can't remember the title, but I once got it from Netflix. I'll see if I can find it.

486 Spider Mensch  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 6:26:07am

re: #463 Spenser (with an S)

Correct, but Charles also asked that we not play "Gang up on the stupid Christian who until now has seemed like a rational anti-jihadist and has added much to the discussion here."

It has made some of us old-earth Christians uncomfortable.

and don't gang up on the golden children who see's nazis and ronpaulians hiding in garbage cans, ala oscar the grouch, at every republican gathering...a big no no...
/wait a second, I think i did see a paulian going thru the trash at the local Rep headquarters, he was going for a half eaten eclair...hmmm...

487 quiet man  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 6:26:23am

re: #481 Spenser (with an S)
For duty and humanity!

Most Americans are willing to pay for the things they want in life..it is the other side of the coin from working to achieve the things you want.

488 Pianobuff  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 6:26:28am

re: #475 3 wood

At the risk of sounding morbid, I think they will wait until Ted Kennedy passes from his health problems (and I'm not wishing for that, by the way), and then pass something in his name

The Chappaquiddick Act?

489 Salamantis  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 6:26:51am

re: #463 Spenser (with an S)

Correct, but Charles also asked that we not play "Gang up on the stupid Christian who until now has seemed like a rational anti-jihadist and has added much to the discussion here."

It has made some of us old-earth Christians uncomfortable.

Actually, that comment by Charles was in last night's overnight thread, and had to do with wingers ganging up on Iceweasel, a moderate centrist, for not being 'ideologically pure' enough.

490 Pianobuff  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 6:26:51am

re: #484 MandyManners

I say that WAPO is full of a buncha' commie crap.

And how are YOU this fine morning? heh

491 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 6:26:53am

re: #475 3 wood

At the risk of sounding morbid, I think they will wait until Ted Kennedy passes from his health problems (and I'm not wishing for that, by the way), and then pass something in his name

"The Edward Kennedy Medicare (same as the old Medicare) HealthCare Reform Act"?

Something like that?

492 Charpete67  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 6:27:11am

...just heard a report on FOX that Rial Hunter (sp?)...mistress of John Edwards just entered a courthouse in N. Carolina to appear in front of the grand jury. It's tied to the accusations of his mis-use of campaign funds. They are seeking an indictment...I have no idea if he's guilty...but, I hope they nail that bastard...

493 3 wood  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 6:27:22am

re: #428 apachegunner

It is my understanding that most of the meetings are being cancelled and the demoncrats are hiding behind closed doors.

Well, neither Dick "the turban" Durbin (D - al Quida) nor Burris are having any in Illinois. Of course, we all know how they are going to vote.

494 reine.de.tout  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 6:27:45am

re: #473 TheMatrix31

My friend asked me today about my thoughts on the healthcare stuff. He's going into medical school and not up to snuff on politics. I didn't really get into it because my super-liberal, pro-socialized medicine friend was there so I didn't want to turn it into a debate, not to mention I didn't have my full resources available to me.

He's worried about how it's going to affect him in the future as a medical practitioner. I don't blame him. Wish he'd come read LGF.

Print out 3woods posts and give 'em to him.

495 laZardo  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 6:27:53am

Anyhoo...

"23 (5) PARTICIPATION.—The membership of the
24 Health Benefits Advisory Committee shall at least
25 reflect providers, consumer representatives, employ-
1 ers, labor, health insurance issuers, experts in health
2 care financing and delivery,
experts in racial and
3 ethnic disparities, experts in care for those with dis4
abilities
, representatives of relevant governmental
5 agencies. and at least one practicing physician or
6 other health professional and an expert on children’s
7 health and shall represent a balance among various
8 sectors of the health care system so that no single
9 sector unduly influences the recommendations of
10 such Committee."

"Most congressmen feed at the trough of the big insurance companies. It's about time that people who really represent those who are denied their healthcare - and not those greedy ambulance chasers - are given their voice on the national podium!"

/running out of ink...

496 laZardo  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 6:28:55am

re: #485 Mad Al-Jaffee

I forwarded the url to my home email. I'll watch it tonight.

There's a really good documentary about North Korea. I can't remember the title, but I once got it from Netflix. I'll see if I can find it.

Would that happen to be Undercover Inside North Korea, hosted by Laura Ling's sister Lisa on National Geographic?

/suddenly it all makes sense...

497 Salamantis  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 6:30:00am

re: #489 Salamantis

Actually, that comment by Charles was in last night's overnight thread, and had to do with wingers ganging up on Iceweasel, a moderate centrist, for not being 'ideologically pure' enough.

Here's a post from the same thread that makes it clear:

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

498 apachegunner  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 6:30:21am

re: #475 3 wood

At the risk of sounding morbid, I think they will wait until Ted Kennedy passes from his health problems (and I'm not wishing for that, by the way), and then pass something in his name

yeah, let's not go there or I'd get banned :>(

499 3 wood  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 6:30:32am

re: #433 Spenser (with an S)

Our good friends homeschool and their son got #2 in the National Spelling Bee a couple of months ago.

My eldest got her Bachelors cum laude and said she breezed through college cause she was home schooled by us.

#2 daughter is in her Ssenior college year and crusing also due to that. Daughter

#3 is not quite 18 and is nearing sophomore status in college, and in a month or 2 will be a licensed CNA.

So in our case, home schooling worked quite well.

500 Mad Al-Jaffee  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 6:30:35am

re: #496 laZardo

No, it's called North Korea: A Day in the Life

[Link: www.imdb.com...]

Netflix also has the National Geographic one. I'll have to put that on my queue.

501 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 6:31:42am

re: #499 3 wood

I'm shocked! Shocked I tells ya!

/

502 legalpad  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 6:31:48am

re: #453 3 wood

Here's another goodie from HR 3200, then I have to get busy with other things:

On page 30 it talks about SEC. 123. HEALTH BENEFITS ADVISORY COMMITTEE.

So what is this and who is on it?

Nothing less than your benefit standards. Now go back up and read the list of people who will be determining this and who they answer to.

Do you see anywhere in there where you have any say about anything about your own health care?

Maybe

503 realwest  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 6:31:55am

re: #468 laZardo
Hello laZardo my friend, how are you today, hmmm?

504 MandyManners  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 6:32:22am

re: #490 Pianobuff

And how are YOU this fine morning? heh

Finer than fresh-spun cotton candy. How are you?

505 apachegunner  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 6:32:32am

re: #486 Spider Mensch

and don't gang up on the golden children who see's nazis and ronpaulians hiding in garbage cans, ala oscar the grouch, at every republican gathering...a big no no...
/wait a second, I think i did see a paulian going thru the trash at the local Rep headquarters, he was going for a half eaten eclair...hmmm...


no, I think that was George wasn't it? Love that show!

506 Pianobuff  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 6:33:03am

Any Paul Krugman fans out there?

Hmmm...

Krugman Disses Rasmussen Poll - But Forgets to Fact-Check

Here's how the article closes...

Krugman, named in January by Forbes.com as the most influential liberal in the U.S. media, was the winner last year of the Nobel Prize for Economics and is a regular columnist for the New York Times. Earlier this year, however, when Rasmussen Reports polled on several representative Krugman quotes, the columnist's views were generally at odds with those of most Americans.

For example, Krugman asserted that you should “write off anyone who asserts that it’s always better to cut taxes than to increase government spending because taxpayers, not bureaucrats, are the best judges of how to spend their money.” But the survey found that 53% said it’s always better to cut taxes while just 24% shared Krugman’s view.

507 turn  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 6:33:06am

re: #497 Salamantis

Here's a post from the same thread that makes it clear:

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

Morning all, hey sal thanks for posting that link. I went back and updinged Rose. The constant ragging on ice was getting really annoying to me too.

508 HoosierHoops  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 6:33:31am

re: #504 MandyManners

Finer than fresh-spun cotton candy. How are you?

Mandy is sweeter than fresh spun candy...
/I'm a poet!

509 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 6:33:45am

re: #505 apachegunner

no, I think that was George wasn't it? Love that show!

It was right there on top...

510 BlueCanuck  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 6:33:46am

Good morning realwest. Glad to see you and your mom are doing well this morning. Every morning you wake up is a good one IMHO. :)

511 Spenser (with an S)  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 6:34:02am

re: #504 MandyManners

Finer than fresh-spun cotton candy. How are you?

Why does a perky Mandy make me more nervous than an angry Mandy?

/It's quiet... too quiet

512 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 6:34:09am

have to pay daughters tuition this morning. Five years ago, 800.00 for the son's first semester community college (that's the way we roll, first Community College, then onward)...

Daughter, same credits, 1,400.00.

I know it's cheap, but still, up by 40% in five years?

513 Spider Mensch  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 6:34:15am

re: #505 apachegunner

no, I think that was George wasn't it? Love that show!


he was the inspiration...lol

514 laZardo  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 6:34:17am

re: #500 Mad Al-Jaffee

I watched the National Geographic one, they make a reference to A Day In The Life. ADITL is, as the reference notes, saturated with NK propaganda to the point where it could actually be taken as a film about how saturated NK life is with propaganda...

515 dahveed  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 6:34:24am

The Democrats are busy complaining about the protests regarding healthcare. They are pretty much criticizing the protesters. I really haven't heard any of the talking heads say (perhaps they have, but I haven't heard it) that the issue should stand on its own legs. If the healthcare reform is so brilliant and fantastic that everyone will want it, why do they care about the protests. Their message should overwhelm any protester complaints just on its own merits.

516 Pianobuff  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 6:34:26am

re: #504 MandyManners

Finer than fresh-spun cotton candy. How are you?

Tired but can't sleep. Had eye surgery on Tuesday. Painkillers are amping me up. Haven't slept since Monday night.

517 apachegunner  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 6:34:31am

re: #489 Salamantis

Actually, that comment by Charles was in last night's overnight thread, and had to do with wingers ganging up on Iceweasel, a moderate centrist, for not being 'ideologically pure' enough.

I like Ice but do you really think shes a moderate centrist? I feel she is closer to progressive, with a lot of class.

518 3 wood  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 6:35:00am

re: #462 realwest

Good morning 3 wood! I don't see where I have any say about it, NOR DO I SEE WHERE MY DOCTOR HAS ANY SAY ABOUT IT EITHER!

Most of those people are not even required to be medical personnel did you see that the Comptroller gets to appoint some? My gosh, a bean counter will have more say about your health care than you own doctor.

519 FrogMarch  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 6:35:22am

re: #464 Pianobuff

WAPO says Senate Healthcare Bill Moving Toward the Center

Three Democrats and three Republicans from the Senate Finance Committee will brief Obama on Thursday about the progress of their sometimes arduous talks, which are now set to extend through the August recess. The negotiators are holding the details close as they continue to debate key issues, and it could be a challenge for them to meet the Sept. 15 deadline set by the committee's chairman, Max Baucus (D-Mont.), for a deal.


I say - contact these people and tell them the only compromise is to get the government out the health care business.
We need Markets, Not Mandates

520 Salamantis  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 6:35:24am

re: #507 turn

Morning all, hey sal thanks for posting that link. I went back and updinged Rose. The constant ragging on ice was getting really annoying to me too.

Then you might wanna upding Charles for laying down the law:

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

521 laZardo  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 6:35:25am

re: #503 realwest

A little better than normal, classes got rained out today. Other'n that, just being myself. q;

522 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 6:35:33am

re: #518 3 wood

Most of those people are not even required to be medical personnel did you see that the Comptroller gets to appoint some? My gosh, a bean counter will have more say about your health care than you own doctor.

I hate Indiana Bean Counters.

523 _RememberTonyC  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 6:35:42am

Mornin' Lizards ... I nearly fell over this morning when I saw a story in my Hartford, CT newspaper about a gathering in suburban Simsbury where the congressman (Chris Murphy) got an earful (on the healthcare deal) from the peeps at a local supermarket yesterday. If people in Simsbury (a wealthy suburb in a deep blue state) are pissed, this citizen revolt is catching fire. Lots of people were ripping into Chris Dodd, which is staggering to me. Hot damn!

524 apachegunner  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 6:35:56am

re: #493 3 wood

Well, neither Dick "the turban" Durbin (D - al Quida) nor Burris are having any in Illinois. Of course, we all know how they are going to vote.


yeah, couple of true losers. bet the "turbin" gets voted back into office next time around.

525 realwest  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 6:35:58am

re: #483 HoosierHoops
Why thank you Hoops! How are you and yours doing today?

526 Pianobuff  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 6:35:58am

re: #517 apachegunner

I like Ice but do you really think shes a moderate centrist? I feel she is closer to progressive, with a lot of class.

I think Ice has described herself as leftie/prog.

527 FrogMarch  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 6:36:14am

re: #506 Pianobuff

Any Paul Krugman fans out there?

Hmmm...

Krugman Disses Rasmussen Poll - But Forgets to Fact-Check

Here's how the article closes...

Krugman is a Keynesian loser.

528 Spenser (with an S)  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 6:36:27am

re: #507 turn

The constant ragging on ice was getting really annoying to me too.

I don't think I was there for that part and I agree that personal attacks are verboten but man, Ice was in a stubborn, angry mood yesterday.

529 Charpete67  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 6:36:28am

re: #515 dahveed

The Democrats are busy complaining about the protests regarding healthcare. They are pretty much criticizing the protesters. I really haven't heard any of the talking heads say (perhaps they have, but I haven't heard it) that the issue should stand on its own legs. If the healthcare reform is so brilliant and fantastic that everyone will want it, why do they care about the protests. Their message should overwhelm any protester complaints just on its own merits.

...the democrats are against community organizing?

did anyone hear the Pelosi video saying that the protesters are carrying swasitca's to the town halls?

[Link: www.realclearpolitics.com...]

530 BlueCanuck  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 6:36:33am

re: #512 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Here in Ontario. 1992 two semesters of college cost me $1200 for tuition. Fast forward to 1997 it cost me the same for one semester. Go figure.

/our colleges and universities are partially subsidised by provincial and federal governments.

531 laZardo  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 6:36:39am

re: #515 dahveed

"They're not protesters! They're mobs fed on propaganda that don't realize they're perpetuating the problem!"

/OH, WAIT.

532 turn  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 6:36:51am

re: #520 Salamantis

Then you might wanna upding Charles for laying down the law:

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

Done.

533 Mad Al-Jaffee  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 6:36:56am

re: #514 laZardo

I watched the National Geographic one, they make a reference to A Day In The Life. ADITL is, as the reference notes, saturated with NK propaganda to the point where it could actually be taken as a film about how saturated NK life is with propaganda...

Yeah, from what I remember, it's kind of like Triumph of the Will. Pure propaganda about the glory of the state, but easy to see through if you pay attention.

534 MandyManners  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 6:37:16am

re: #516 Pianobuff

Tired but can't sleep. Had eye surgery on Tuesday. Painkillers are amping me up. Haven't slept since Monday night.

Good grief! If you haven't already done so, call your doctor. This is not healthy.

Speaking of sleep, I'm going back to bed. The Kid is off frolicking with my dad and the house is quiet. Very quiet. Oh, so quiet.

Later, sweet taters!

535 TheMatrix31  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 6:37:52am

re: #512 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

have to pay daughters tuition this morning. Five years ago, 800.00 for the son's first semester community college (that's the way we roll, first Community College, then onward)...

Daughter, same credits, 1,400.00.

I know it's cheap, but still, up by 40% in five years?

That's an expensive ass community college! I can't remember ever paying that much, and I went to community college up until last year when I transferred!

536 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 6:37:56am

Just got back from walking the dogs. Looks like the bears went out to eat last night. Trash bins up the dirt road all strewn about, garbage everywhere, people getting a little extra exercise.

We didn't get a visit. Our trash hauler comes on Friday. So, the bears may be back for desert tomorrow morning.

537 3 wood  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 6:37:58am

re: #470 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

You can't be trusted to have any say in it. Sorry, Real.

But we do have some "end of life" counseling for you. Let me introduce you to your counselor, Dr. Kevorkian, Jr.

538 keithgabryelski  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 6:38:06am

re: #515 dahveed

The Democrats are busy complaining about the protests regarding healthcare. They are pretty much criticizing the protesters. I really haven't heard any of the talking heads say (perhaps they have, but I haven't heard it) that the issue should stand on its own legs. If the healthcare reform is so brilliant and fantastic that everyone will want it, why do they care about the protests. Their message should overwhelm any protester complaints just on its own merits.

This has been talking about on nearly all news shows I've seen over the last few days.

The issue doesn't seem to be a problem with Democrats preventing open discussion, but the problem is more that conservative groups are organizing small numbers of people to yell during these discussions so that debate will be shut down.

539 HoosierHoops  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 6:38:14am

re: #525 realwest

Why thank you Hoops! How are you and yours doing today?

Nice to see you are feeling well today...
One more beer and it's time to drive the boat like a wildman and scare all the fish...
/I'm sorry..It's how I roll on vacation
LOL

540 nonic  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 6:38:17am

re: #479 apachegunner

it's call universal, correct?

Yeah, but I hope you don't think that means it is. When a Republican tried to add an amendment requiring that Congress has to be covered by the new plan, it was immediately squashed with no discussion.

541 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 6:38:20am

*stalking in to post a @%#$& rant*

Just saw an AP/Yahoo headline announcing that the PA health club shooter had posted videos on the Web. The article described them and told readers where to find them. (I'd rather be damned than link to it.)

This is giving that asshole PRECISELY what he wanted -- recognition, "immortality" of a sort. There is news, and there is news. How much will all this detailed publicity increase the likelihood of copycats?

There's a relevant scene in Eastwood's Dirty Harry "The Dead Pool". An emotionally-damaged kook claims to be the killer and is about to set himself on fire, before the TV camera, simply so people will remember him. The heroine makes the right choice. Our MSM (not to mention readership) is making the other.

*really pissed, stalking from the room*

542 Mad Al-Jaffee  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 6:38:50am

re: #534 MandyManners


Speaking of sleep, I'm going back to bed. The Kid is off frolicking with my dad and the house is quiet. Very quiet. Oh, so quiet.

!

TOO quiet?

543 apachegunner  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 6:38:52am

re: #509 Cannadian Club Akbar

It was right there on top...

ha,ha,ha

544 BlueCanuck  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 6:39:20am

re: #527 FrogMarch

Krugman is a Keynesian loser.

You could data mine him with glee. While the economy was booming he was predicting doom and gloom. EIGHT years ago. Donald Luskin has fun toying with him all the time.

545 turn  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 6:39:31am

re: #523 _RememberTonyC

Mornin' Lizards ... I nearly fell over this morning when I saw a story in my Hartford, CT newspaper about a gathering in suburban Simsbury where the congressman (Chris Murphy) got an earful (on the healthcare deal) from the peeps at a local supermarket yesterday. If people in Simsbury (a wealthy suburb in a deep blue state) are pissed, this citizen revolt is catching fire. Lots of people were ripping into Chris Dodd, which is staggering to me. Hot damn!

Those people were mobs of crazy right wing plants.

/

546 Spider Mensch  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 6:39:36am

re: #536 Walter L. Newton

Just got back from walking the dogs. Looks like the bears went out to eat last night. Trash bins up the dirt road all strewn about, garbage everywhere, people getting a little extra exercise.

We didn't get a visit. Our trash hauler comes on Friday. So, the bears may be back for desert tomorrow morning.


Teddy bear picnic!

547 _RememberTonyC  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 6:39:42am

re: #529 Charpete67

...the democrats are against community organizing?

did anyone hear the Pelosi video saying that the protesters are carrying swasitca's to the town halls?

[Link: www.realclearpolitics.com...]


saw it on FOX ... pelosi is the most arrogant politician i have ever seen.

548 laZardo  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 6:39:49am

re: #535 TheMatrix31

Was $3,000 for Cali community college. Thankfully I managed to get residency for the last year, making it free.

549 apachegunner  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 6:39:54am

re: #511 Spenser (with an S)

Why does a perky Mandy make me more nervous than an angry Mandy?

/It's quiet... too quiet


it's that bat, thats what it is :>)

550 dahveed  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 6:40:08am

re: #474 realwest

And in case it hasn't been posted yet, only an additional 69,000 people claimed unevmployment benefits, bring tht total to 6.3 million! The goverment says tht the number of newly-laid off workers seeking unemployment benefits last week fell, fresh evidence that layoffs are easing.
Only 550,000 people filed initial joblems beneftis, down from an upwardly revised figure of 588,000.

I never know what to make of that statistic. I knew of a man that owned a road construction business. When business was on hiatus because of winter weather, he filed a claim for unemployment and got it. This guy made upwards of $300K-$400K per year. Certainly not someone who needed unemployment. But, also, someone who technically was not unemployed.

Granted it is probably a rare case, but I have to wonder if there are a lot of other people gaming the system.

551 realwest  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 6:40:15am

re: #510 BlueCanuck
Hi Blue! Yep, everymorning I wake up on the right side of the grass and am not in significant pain is a good morning.
How are you doing today?

552 Leonidas Hoplite  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 6:40:36am

re: #548 laZardo

Was $3,000 for Cali community college. Thankfully I managed to get residency for the last year, making it free.

TANSTAAFL

553 Pianobuff  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 6:40:55am

After 6 Months, More View Obama's Presidency as a 'Failure' Than Bush's

A rather surprising finding from the newly released CNN poll. Question three on the national survey of 1,136 adults (which includes an oversample of African-Americans) asks, "Do you consider the first six months of the Obama administration to be a success or a failure?"

Thirty-seven percent (37%) said they believe the Obama administration is a "failure," while 51% consider it a "success" and 11% say it's still "too soon to tell."

An identical question was asked of the Bush administration in an August 2001 CNN/Gallup/USA Today survey. At the time, 56% said the Bush administration was a "success" while only 32% considered it a "failure."

554 Charpete67  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 6:41:13am

Obama bigger failure than Bush

[Link: realclearpolitics.blogs.time.com...]

had to rub my eyes when I saw it on CNN and they even pointed out it over sampled African Americans...I found it curious that they pointed that out.

555 redstateredneck  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 6:41:47am

Good morning, {all y'all}. It's Thursday and that's a good thing.
:-)

556 Killian Bundy  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 6:41:48am

/a little too close to the edge, get well Steve

557 turn  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 6:41:59am

re: #528 Spenser (with an S)

I don't think I was there for that part and I agree that personal attacks are verboten but man, Ice was in a stubborn, angry mood yesterday.

Morning spenser. Her stubbornness might have a lot to do with getting constantly ragged on. Let's see if things change.

558 apachegunner  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 6:42:13am

re: #526 Pianobuff

I think Ice has described herself as leftie/prog.

bingo!

559 Salamantis  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 6:42:15am

re: #553 Pianobuff

After 6 Months, More View Obama's Presidency as a 'Failure' Than Bush's

A rather surprising finding from the newly released CNN poll. Question three on the national survey of 1,136 adults (which includes an oversample of African-Americans) asks, "Do you consider the first six months of the Obama administration to be a success or a failure?"

Thirty-seven percent (37%) said they believe the Obama administration is a "failure," while 51% consider it a "success" and 11% say it's still "too soon to tell."

An identical question was asked of the Bush administration in an August 2001 CNN/Gallup/USA Today survey. At the time, 56% said the Bush administration was a "success" while only 32% considered it a "failure."

And that was even before 9-11 bumped Dubya's popularity.

560 Spenser (with an S)  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 6:42:25am

re: #534 MandyManners

Speaking of sleep, I'm going back to bed. The Kid is off frolicking with my dad and the house is quiet. Very quiet. Oh, so quiet.

Later, sweet tater

Picture my house, Mandy. All 4 kids off to Gramma and Grampa's house for the week! Darling bride is sleeping in, working out, getting projects done and then we go to some free concerts and grab a bite to eat. Cleanup is a snap and the bathroom stays much cleaner than it does when my 3 "sharpshooter" boys are using the toilet all day.

/I do miss them, I swear

561 BlueCanuck  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 6:42:33am

re: #538 keithgabryelski

This has been talking about on nearly all news shows I've seen over the last few days.

The issue doesn't seem to be a problem with Democrats preventing open discussion, but the problem is more that conservative groups are organizing small numbers of people to yell during these discussions so that debate will be shut down.

I see, something like Code Pink, ANSWER, ACORN...

/turn about is fair play.

562 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 6:42:37am

re: #546 Spider Mensch

Teddy bear picnic!

Cute old song.

563 HoosierHoops  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 6:43:03am

re: #555 redstateredneck

Good morning, {all y'all}. It's Thursday and that's a good thing.
:-)

Hey you! good Morning! It's already Thursday.I'm on vacation and the time is flying by...Dang it!

564 laZardo  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 6:43:03am

re: #533 Mad Al-Jaffee

The cartoon series I mentioned earlier is actually quite intriguing in that it doesn't actually focus on "GRORIOUS JUCHE ARMIES REPERRING INVADERS." I'm about 15 episodes in and so far the plot actually involves the 'protagonist' and associated allies posing as a defector and turning the enemy armies against each other whilst sabotaging their plans.

This is what NoKo kids learn(ed?) growing up! Very disturbing indeed.

565 dahveed  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 6:43:09am

re: #538 keithgabryelski

This has been talking about on nearly all news shows I've seen over the last few days.

The issue doesn't seem to be a problem with Democrats preventing open discussion, but the problem is more that conservative groups are organizing small numbers of people to yell during these discussions so that debate will be shut down.

And what I've seen is criticism of the people rather than talking up the merits of the reform plan. Like I said, perhaps I just haven't been paying close attention.

566 FrogMarch  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 6:43:23am

re: #544 BlueCanuck

You could data mine him with glee. While the economy was booming he was predicting doom and gloom. EIGHT years ago. Donald Luskin has fun toying with him all the time.

Scrolling down a bit you find this:

THE RIGHT DIAGNOSIS Setting aside for horrible immorality of forcing people to buy health insurance whether they want it or not, taxing one person to pay for another's insurance, and putting government in competition with private insurance -- yes, beyond all that! -- is the fundamental rotten heart of Obamacare: that it takes the fundamental dysfunction in American health care and makes it worse.


and...

567 apachegunner  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 6:43:24am

re: #536 Walter L. Newton

Just got back from walking the dogs. Looks like the bears went out to eat last night. Trash bins up the dirt road all strewn about, garbage everywhere, people getting a little extra exercise.

We didn't get a visit. Our trash hauler comes on Friday. So, the bears may be back for desert tomorrow morning.


be careful Walter, never trust a bear!

568 laZardo  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 6:43:25am

re: #552 Leonidas Hoplite

TANSTAAFL

...wha?

569 realwest  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 6:43:44am

re: #518 3 wood
Yeah, I did notice that point as well. But it's not a bill yet, just a proposal, so if you finish your analysis in time, we can all read it and then e-mail our thoughts to our congresscritters - or at least those up for re-election in 2010 - they might actually read our concerns!

570 laZardo  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 6:44:13am

re: #555 redstateredneck

Morning rsr.

571 Spider Mensch  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 6:44:49am

re: #562 Walter L. Newton

Cute old song.


trout fishing in america did a great version of it, but I can't find a free down load of it.

572 _RememberTonyC  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 6:44:53am

re: #545 turn

Those people were mobs of crazy right wing plants.

/


what amazes me is that there are not MORE people from Connecticut that are pissed. The insurance business is the largest employer in the Hartford area, and the demonization of the industry by Obama and his dem followers will surely cost many jobs in this area. I can't believe that more locals don't realize it.

573 laZardo  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 6:45:22am

re: #568 laZardo

Oh, wait.

"There Are No Such Things As Free Lunches."

/fff-

574 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 6:45:35am

re: #553 Pianobuff

After 6 Months, More View Obama's Presidency as a 'Failure' Than Bush's

A rather surprising finding from the newly released CNN poll. Question three on the national survey of 1,136 adults (which includes an oversample of African-Americans) asks, "Do you consider the first six months of the Obama administration to be a success or a failure?"

Thirty-seven percent (37%) said they believe the Obama administration is a "failure," while 51% consider it a "success" and 11% say it's still "too soon to tell."

An identical question was asked of the Bush administration in an August 2001 CNN/Gallup/USA Today survey. At the time, 56% said the Bush administration was a "success" while only 32% considered it a "failure."

But, if you consider an adjustment for actual voters versus the non-voters that they probably polled, and the fact that CNN always trends high on these polls, plus the poll was taken in the middle of the week, where the only people available to answer polls are pregnant house wife's, this poll is suspect.
/

575 spare o'lake  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 6:45:52am

re: #463 Spenser (with an S)

Correct, but Charles also asked that we not play "Gang up on the stupid Christian who until now has seemed like a rational anti-jihadist and has added much to the discussion here."

It has made some of us old-earth Christians uncomfortable.

There are a very few folks around here, including both atheists and believers, who seem to relish every opportunity to try to shove their own particular points of view down the throats of others and to belittle those who disagree with them.
Moral self-certainty is one thing, but degrading and insulting the intelligence of others is quite another.

So kindly listen up, you bunch of fucking morons.

576 TheMatrix31  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 6:46:08am

re: #548 laZardo

Was $3,000 for Cali community college. Thankfully I managed to get residency for the last year, making it free.

I can't remember ever paying more than like, 350 or 400 bucks for a semester.

577 _RememberTonyC  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 6:46:15am

re: #551 realwest

Hi Blue! Yep, everymorning I wake up on the right side of the grass and am not in significant pain is a good morning.
How are you doing today?


Hi realwest ... glad to hear you're having a good day.

578 Pianobuff  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 6:46:17am

re: #574 Walter L. Newton

But, if you consider an adjustment for actual voters versus the non-voters that they probably polled, and the fact that CNN always trends high on these polls, plus the poll was taken in the middle of the week, where the only people available to answer polls are pregnant house wife's, this poll is suspect.
/

Hmmm... You aren't nick-jacking today, are you?

579 FrogMarch  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 6:46:21am

re: #536 Walter L. Newton

Just got back from walking the dogs. Looks like the bears went out to eat last night. Trash bins up the dirt road all strewn about, garbage everywhere, people getting a little extra exercise.

We didn't get a visit. Our trash hauler comes on Friday. So, the bears may be back for desert tomorrow morning.

Better the trash cans than your house.

580 Learned Mother of Zion  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 6:46:22am

re: #530 BlueCanuck

Here in Ontario. 1992 two semesters of college cost me $1200 for tuition. Fast forward to 1997 it cost me the same for one semester. Go figure.

/our colleges and universities are partially subsidised by provincial and federal governments.

I went through college on Pell grants.

581 marge45b  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 6:46:42am

re: #460 FrogMarch

The Medical Supplemental plans work wonders for Seniors. Both My parents had cancer and were both treated at "The City of Hope." With out those plans they could not get the surgery needed and survive 5 years now!

582 realwest  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 6:47:14am

re: #547 _RememberTonyC

saw it on FOX ... pelosi is the most arrogant politician i have ever seen.


And the most ignorant Speaker of the House in my lifetime.

583 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 6:47:21am

re: #567 apachegunner

be careful Walter, never trust a bear!

I've had enough close proximity to bears off an on during my life, I know the rules. I've had the little critters walk right through my tent, when I was in it. Didn't move an inch. Thanks for the reminder.

584 BlueCanuck  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 6:47:36am

re: #551 realwest

Doing good. Damndest thing happened this morning though. Got woken up by a dog bark. Trouble is there is no dog in my apartment, landlords residence, and all my windows were closed. Wasn't even dreaming about dogs.

585 laZardo  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 6:48:21am

re: #576 TheMatrix31

Note, CALIFORNIA community college. q;

586 Learned Mother of Zion  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 6:48:40am

re: #584 BlueCanuck

Doing good. Damndest thing happened this morning though. Got woken up by a dog bark. Trouble is there is no dog in my apartment, landlords residence, and all my windows were closed. Wasn't even dreaming about dogs.

It wouldn't surprise me if the noise of my neighbor's dogs carried all the way to Canada.

587 reine.de.tout  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 6:49:02am

re: #584 BlueCanuck

Doing good. Damndest thing happened this morning though. Got woken up by a dog bark. Trouble is there is no dog in my apartment, landlords residence, and all my windows were closed. Wasn't even dreaming about dogs.


Poltergeists.

588 nonic  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 6:49:04am

re: #572 _RememberTonyC

what amazes me is that there are not MORE people from Connecticut that are pissed. The insurance business is the largest employer in the Hartford area, and the demonization of the industry by Obama and his dem followers will surely cost many jobs in this area. I can't believe that more locals don't realize it.

Obama cut deals with the insurance companies for their sukpport.

Anyway, it's the insurance companies (including AARP, which is an insurance company, in case you don't know) that process Medicare claims.

So. Even a universal government-run program will probably only mean MORE jobs at insurance companies, processing MORE claims.

589 realwest  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 6:49:08am

re: #553 Pianobuff
That disparity has to be racist in nature.

590 turn  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 6:49:09am

re: #555 redstateredneck

Good morning, {all y'all}. It's Thursday and that's a good thing.
:-)

Morning {red}. Yep, just a couple more days then the weekend.

591 FrogMarch  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 6:49:16am

re: #566 FrogMarch

and...

Arther Laffer says about ObamaCare (FannieMed):

The proposals currently on offer fail to address the fundamental driver of health-care costs: the health-care wedge.

The health-care wedge is an economic term that reflects the difference between what health-care costs the specific provider and what the patient actually pays. When health care is subsidized, no one should be surprised that people demand more of it and that the costs to produce it increase. Mr. Obama’s health-care plan does nothing to address the gap between the price paid and the price received. Instead, it’s like a negative tax: Costs rise and people demand more than they need...The bottom line is that when the government spends money on health care, the patient does not. The patient is then separated from the transaction in the sense that costs are no longer his concern. And when the patient doesn’t care about costs, only those who want higher costs—like doctors and drug companies—care.

Thus, health-care reform should be based on policies that diminish the health-care wedge rather than increase it. Mr. Obama’s reform principles—a public health-insurance option, mandated minimum coverage, mandated coverage of pre-existing conditions, and required purchase of health insurance—only increase the size of the wedge and thus health-care costs.

592 TheMatrix31  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 6:49:28am

re: #585 laZardo

Note, CALIFORNIA community college. q;

I live in CA too!

593 legalpad  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 6:49:33am

re: #582 realwest

And the most ignorant Speaker of the House in my lifetime.

Morning West - You got that right. Barbara Boxer seems to have her role in the Senate.

594 HoosierHoops  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 6:49:52am

re: #585 laZardo

Note, CALIFORNIA community college. q;

I have no issues with the Community Colleges in California.. I spent 2 years at Napa JUCO..Great school...

595 quiet man  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 6:50:01am

Hillary said it is a shame the US isnt in the ICC

596 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 6:50:03am

re: #579 FrogMarch

Better the trash cans than your house.

Yea, I guess you are referring to that recent house invasion by a bear? There's a house pet you don't want to wake up to. It appears that this house was built to understand the local wildlife. All accessible windows are high up, making it a bit more difficult for a critter to try to smash it in and enter.

597 spare o'lake  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 6:50:24am

re: #584 BlueCanuck

Doing good. Damndest thing happened this morning though. Got woken up by a dog bark. Trouble is there is no dog in my apartment, landlords residence, and all my windows were closed. Wasn't even dreaming about dogs.

Ah yes, the dreaded dog-bark fart.
LOLOL.

598 reine.de.tout  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 6:50:25am

re: #555 redstateredneck

Good morning, {all y'all}. It's Thursday and that's a good thing.
:-)

Hiya, Red.
Congrats on the BIG WIN yesterday!

599 laZardo  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 6:50:30am

re: #592 TheMatrix31

Oh. 0: I was paying 'out-of-state' fees then, having moved there from finishing High School over here.

600 Pianobuff  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 6:50:59am

re: #589 realwest

That disparity has to be racist in nature.

Heh...which reminds me. What's the official ruling on the Obama/Joker picture? Racist or non-racist?

601 spare o'lake  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 6:51:39am

re: #575 spare o'lake

There are a very few folks around here, including both atheists and believers, who seem to relish every opportunity to try to shove their own particular points of view down the throats of others and to belittle those who disagree with them.
Moral self-certainty is one thing, but degrading and insulting the intelligence of others is quite another.

So kindly listen up, you bunch of fucking morons.

/

602 realwest  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 6:51:49am

re: #574 Walter L. Newton
ROTFLMAO!! Good morning Walter!

603 _RememberTonyC  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 6:51:54am

re: #582 realwest

And the most ignorant Speaker of the House in my lifetime.


she is warped for sure. i don't know if it's living in the bay area or being the daughter of a baltimore machine politician ... or the combination of both. [Link: www.ustimes.us...]

604 SixDegrees  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 6:52:05am

re: #554 Charpete67

Obama bigger failure than Bush

[Link: realclearpolitics.blogs.time.com...]

had to rub my eyes when I saw it on CNN and they even pointed out it over sampled African Americans...I found it curious that they pointed that out.

CNN and other mainstream media outlets are slowly turning up the negative reporting on The 0ne. It's all about profits; with poll after poll showing 0's approval ratings steadily dropping and approaching or already below the 50% mark, it makes a lot less sense to extoll the virtues of someone fewer and fewer people like or support. So their coverage is shifting to feature more negative news about the Administration, simply because more of their viewership/readership agrees with such news.

The polling is also the reason for the huge kickstart given to nationwide "get out the message" and "attack the opposition" campaigns now underway. Politicians aren't entirely stupid; to quote the Honorable Governor William J. LePetomaine,

Gentlemen, We Have To Save Our Phony Baloney Jobs!!

Public opinion still matters to some in Congress.

605 quiet man  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 6:52:08am

re: #600 Pianobuff
Itb was deemed par for the course

606 turn  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 6:52:40am

re: #572 _RememberTonyC

what amazes me is that there are not MORE people from Connecticut that are pissed. The insurance business is the largest employer in the Hartford area, and the demonization of the industry by Obama and his dem followers will surely cost many jobs in this area. I can't believe that more locals don't realize it.

The Alinsky tactics Pelosi et al are trying to use on these citizens that have a genuine concern are despicable.

607 realwest  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 6:53:28am

re: #577 _RememberTonyC
Good morning back atcha! Yep, we have company coming in about a half an hour and I expect it to be a very pleasant day!
How are you doing today?

608 quiet man  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 6:53:40am

re: #604 SixDegrees
It has to be cash, since morals, ethics, and journalism were sacrificed on the Altar of Obama

609 laZardo  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 6:53:48am

re: #601 spare o'lake

You didn't need a sarc tag to get my upding. q;

610 FrogMarch  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 6:53:56am

re: #596 Walter L. Newton

Yea, I guess you are referring to that recent house invasion by a bear? There's a house pet you don't want to wake up to. It appears that this house was built to understand the local wildlife. All accessible windows are high up, making it a bit more difficult for a critter to try to smash it in and enter.

Yep. IIRC - the bear ripped the front door off. Yikes.

611 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 6:54:12am

re: #602 realwest

ROTFLMAO!! Good morning Walter!

Morning, glad I could lighten up your morning. Of course, I probably took the thunder out of our residence progressives. Funny they are not here right now. Oh, I know, sleeping in late, will wake up later and check the family trust funds portfolio before rushing off to Starbucks.

612 turn  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 6:55:26am

re: #582 realwest

And the most ignorant Speaker of the House in my lifetime.

Good morning real, glad to see ya up and about. I gave you a ding for the blinky bash.

613 keithgabryelski  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 6:56:37am

re: #565 dahveed

And what I've seen is criticism of the people rather than talking up the merits of the reform plan. Like I said, perhaps I just haven't been paying close attention.

There has been a lot of talk on both those things. When you hear criticism about "the people" it is, currently (from what i can see), about trying to remove the manufactured out-rage from people who are truly interested in debate.

614 _RememberTonyC  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 6:56:56am

re: #588 nonic

Obama cut deals with the insurance companies for their sukpport.

Anyway, it's the insurance companies (including AARP, which is an insurance company, in case you don't know) that process Medicare claims.

So. Even a universal government-run program will probably only mean MORE jobs at insurance companies, processing MORE claims.

really? if the govt is in the insurance biz, it will help private insurance companies? maybe I'm dumb, but can you explain how that will go down?

615 redstateredneck  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 6:57:23am

re: #563 HoosierHoops

Hey you! good Morning! It's already Thursday.I'm on vacation and the time is flying by...Dang it!

way to rub it it.

616 realwest  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 6:57:34am

re: #593 legalpad
Good morning pad! I dunno, dumb as she is, I can think of several who could challenge her for that role in the Senate. Several.

617 redstateredneck  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 6:58:02am

re: #570 laZardo

Morning rsr.

Hey! How's your evening?

618 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 6:58:19am

"Slump boosts Colorado OT tab - Jobless claims strain workforce at Labor Dept. - The recession has been an absolute boon for at least one group of state employees."

Unbelievable, let's put a positive spin on the unemployment situation in Colorado. Our progressive paper of note, the Denver Post, does a wonderful job of making this shit sound like gold.

[Link: www.denverpost.com...]

619 turn  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 6:58:21am

re: #585 laZardo

Note, CALIFORNIA community college. q;

Morning zardo, what CC? I went two years at Sac City CC then transferred to UCD. At that time CC was free (except for books) because I lived in the school district, if you can believe that. Some of my best professors were at Sac City.

620 quiet man  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 6:58:27am

re: #614 _RememberTonyC
And nonic assumes that the quality level will remain the same..on what government run "anything" could one base that opinion on??

621 _RememberTonyC  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 6:58:37am

re: #607 realwest

Good morning back atcha! Yep, we have company coming in about a half an hour and I expect it to be a very pleasant day!
How are you doing today?


all is well, real! 70 degrees in Connecticut and every window in the house is open. I'm off today but have to work Saturday, but no biggie! thanks for asking ... and I hope you enjoy your guests

622 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 6:58:38am

re: #537 3 wood

But we do have some "end of life" counseling for you. Let me introduce you to your counselor, Dr. Kevorkian, Jr.

*Rubbing hands together* then *Reaching for calculator*...

"Let's go ahead and pre-plan your Death Tax responsibility..."

623 HoosierHoops  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 6:59:00am

re: #615 redstateredneck

way to rub it it.

Sorry...There should be a law against drinking cold beer on vacation..
I'll write Obama and Congress.
hope you are well today

624 redstateredneck  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 6:59:41am

re: #582 realwest

And the most ignorant Speaker of the House in my lifetime.

and a stupid biotch

625 Salamantis  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 6:59:43am

Just a heads up; tonight is the season finale of the quite excellent TV series Burn Notice on the USA Network, and after Jeffrey Donovan, who plays Michael Westen, got busted for DUI, I fear for its continuance.

626 quiet man  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 6:59:45am

Well, I screwed up..I got angry before anyone sent me a check..I havent even heard from the insurance guys and they must be paying huge

627 laZardo  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 6:59:46am

re: #617 redstateredneck

Just trying to relax and get my ass in gear for term finals. I made the Dean's List for having honors through all the terms last year, so there'll be a little "convocation" tomorrow evening.

I'm trying not to make a big deal of it though. Kinda got sibling envy for my littlest bro (18 y.o.) who performed at this massive upcoming college band gig last week.

628 realwest  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 6:59:58am

re: #595 quiet man
Huh? You do know that membership in the International Criminal Court is unconstitutional don't you?
I mean, in the ICC, you can be tried twice for the same crime (double-jeopardy) have no right to counsel, have no right to confront witnesses against you, have no right to a jury trial, etc. etc.
Do you have a link to where Hillary said that?

629 turn  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 6:59:58am

re: #594 HoosierHoops

I have no issues with the Community Colleges in California.. I spent 2 years at Napa JUCO..Great school...

Morning Hoops, same here with Sac City. The only way to go if you ask me.

630 redstateredneck  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 7:00:22am

re: #590 turn

Morning {red}. Yep, just a couple more days then the weekend.

WOOT!

631 redstateredneck  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 7:00:51am

re: #598 reine.de.tout

Hiya, Red.
Congrats on the BIG WIN yesterday!

Girl, you were hot on my heels!

632 laZardo  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 7:01:33am

re: #619 turn

Cosumnes River College, north from Elk Grove. Resided with an aunt whose son is attending Cal Poly IIRC.

633 HoosierHoops  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 7:01:58am

re: #619 turn

Morning zardo, what CC? I went two years at Sac City CC then transferred to UCD. At that time CC was free (except for books) because I lived in the school district, if you can believe that. Some of my best professors were at Sac City.

Yup ..I went to Napa JUCO for free also...Our Colleges never played each other back in the day did they? I can't recall one time we met up with Sac City CC.. too bad..We could have trashed talked each other...:)

634 quiet man  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 7:02:07am

re: #628 realwest

I know that accepting being in there supercedes our own constitution and given the way the UN operates it will be a dedicated room for constant claims against Israel..probably a foorball field for the US

635 laZardo  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 7:02:35am

re: #614 _RememberTonyC

Processing more claims with the same bureaucracy that is denying so many people coverage?

Not sarc this time, but suddenly it kinda makes sense.

636 lincolntf  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 7:02:43am

re: #614 _RememberTonyC

The reasoning that they'll be hiring because they'll be "processing more claims" reminds me of the punchline of this old SNL "ad".

637 redstateredneck  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 7:02:46am

re: #623 HoosierHoops

Sorry...There should be a law against drinking cold beer on vacation..
I'll write Obama and Congress.
hope you are well today

I'm pretty good. I upped my sleep number and woke up feeling a lot better!

638 quiet man  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 7:02:59am

NAIROBI, Kenya (AP) - U.S. Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton says it is a "great regret" that the United States is not a member of the International Criminal Court.

Clinton spoke Thursday in Kenya during a seven-nation tour of Africa.

The court is the first permanent institution authorized to try individuals for genocide, crimes against humanity and war crimes when national courts are unable or unwilling to do so.

The U.S. formally rejected U.S. participation in May 2002. A main concern was that American servicemen hunting down terrorists abroad might not be safe from politically motivated prosecutions.

Clinton said it is "a great regret but it is a fact that we are not yet a signatory. But we have supported the court and continue to do so."


[Link: apnews.myway.com...]

639 _RememberTonyC  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 7:03:15am

re: #620 quiet man

And nonic assumes that the quality level will remain the same..on what government run "anything" could one base that opinion on??

the military ... and that's it!

640 redstateredneck  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 7:03:40am

re: #627 laZardo

Just trying to relax and get my ass in gear for term finals. I made the Dean's List for having honors through all the terms last year, so there'll be a little "convocation" tomorrow evening.

I'm trying not to make a big deal of it though. Kinda got sibling envy for my littlest bro (18 y.o.) who performed at this massive upcoming college band gig last week.

Congrats on the honors! We're proud of ya', kiddo!

641 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 7:03:40am

hey! Just forwarded to me... From the DNC!

Dear Friend,

Rep. Kratovil hanged in effigy There's been a lot of media coverage about organized mobs intimidating lawmakers, disrupting town halls, and silencing real discussion about the need for real health insurance reform.

The truth is, it's a sham. These "grassroots protests" are being organized and largely paid for by Washington special interests and insurance companies who are desperate to block reform. They're trying to use lies and fear to break the President and his agenda for change.

Health insurance reform is about our lives, our jobs, and our families -- we can't let distortions and intimidation get in the way. We need to expose these outrageous tactics, and we're counting on you to help. Can you read these "5 facts about the anti-reform mobs," then pass them along to your friends and family?

5 facts about the anti-reform mobs

1. These disruptions are being funded and organized by out-of-district special-interest groups and insurance companies who fear that health insurance reform could help Americans, but hurt their bottom line. A group run by the same folks who made the "Swiftboat" ads against John Kerry is compiling a list of congressional events in August to disrupt. An insurance company coalition has stationed employees in 30 states to track where local lawmakers hold town-hall meetings.

2. People are scared because they are being fed frightening lies. These crowds are being riled up by anti-reform lies being spread by industry front groups that invent smears to tarnish the President's plan and scare voters. But as the President has repeatedly said, health insurance reform will create more health care choices for the American people, not reduce them. If you like your insurance or your doctor, you can keep them, and there is no "government takeover" in any part of any plan supported by the President or Congress.

3. Their actions are getting more extreme. Texas protesters brought signs displaying a tombstone for Rep. Lloyd Doggett and using the "SS" symbol to compare President Obama's policies to Nazism. Maryland Rep. Frank Kratovil was hanged in effigy outside his district office. Rep. Tim Bishop of New York had to be escorted to his car by police after an angry few disrupted his town hall meeting -- and more examples like this come in every day. And they have gone beyond just trying to derail the President's health insurance reform plans, they are trying to "break" the President himself and ruin his Presidency.

4. Their goal is to disrupt and shut down legitimate conversation. Protesters have routinely shouted down representatives trying to engage in constructive dialogue with voters, and done everything they can to intimidate and silence regular people who just want more information. One attack group has even published a manual instructing protesters to "stand up and shout" and try to "rattle" lawmakers to prevent them from talking peacefully with their constituents.

5. Republican leadership is irresponsibly cheering on the thuggish crowds. Republican House Minority Leader John Boehner issued a statement applauding and promoting a video of the disruptions and looking forward to "a long, hot August for Democrats in Congress."

It's time to expose this charade, before it gets more dangerous. Please send these facts to everyone you know. You can also post them on your website, blog, or Facebook page.

Now, more than ever, we need to stand strong together and defend the truth.

Thanks,

Jen

Jen O'Malley Dillon
Executive Director
Democratic National Committee

642 quiet man  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 7:04:23am

re: #639 _RememberTonyC

agreed..the Military.. and one of the legitimate requirements of a government

643 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 7:04:24am

re: #641 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Notice they didn't post "Five Facts about HealthCare Reform"?

644 turn  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 7:04:33am

re: #632 laZardo

Cosumnes River College, north from Elk Grove. Resided with an aunt whose son is attending Cal Poly IIRC.

My bro when there the first year it opened. I took a night class in computer programming there. Right on. So you know the Sac area then, cool.

645 avanti  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 7:04:38am

re: #574 Walter L. Newton

But, if you consider an adjustment for actual voters versus the non-voters that they probably polled, and the fact that CNN always trends high on these polls, plus the poll was taken in the middle of the week, where the only people available to answer polls are pregnant house wife's, this poll is suspect.
/

Morning all, I think the poll has a simpler explanation. The safest path for a POTUS is to not make waves, not change a lot of things, a conservative position if you will, as Bush did.
If you come in with a plan to make a lot of liberal changes, you'll make people uncomfortable, voters fear change even as they say they want it.
A lame analogy would be my wife's resistance to using e-mail. She fought me tooth and nail, but once she started, she loves it.
It's the same with Obama's health care plan for example. The voters wanted it by large margins when they voted for Obama, but now they are scared. If health care passes, and works, the POTUS will benefit, if not, they'll want conservatives and less change next time around.

646 realwest  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 7:04:42am

re: #630 redstateredneck
Hey good mornign {red} glad to see you're your usual cheerful self!

647 keithgabryelski  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 7:05:08am

re: #625 Salamantis

Just a heads up; tonight is the season finale of the quite excellent TV series Burn Notice on the USA Network, and after Jeffrey Donovan, who plays Michael Westen, got busted for DUI, I fear for its continuance.

When you're a spy, it is critical to think your entire night's plan through before beginning any operation. Like a night out dining and drinking: instead of driving home hammered like floorboard nail, consider spending the price of one cocktail on the cost of cab ride home.

648 quiet man  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 7:05:18am

re: #641 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

sounds fishy..send it to Obama

649 Kosh's Shadow  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 7:06:03am

Our "peace partners"
Fatah adopts resolution blaming Israel for Arafat's death
Any more remarks I have on this need to be deleted if I want to keep posting here.

650 laZardo  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 7:06:38am

re: #644 turn

Was back in '05 though. I know the general area (mostly around E.G. not metro Sacramento), though things have, well, changed. q;

651 turn  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 7:06:58am

re: #633 HoosierHoops

Yup ..I went to Napa JUCO for free also...Our Colleges never played each other back in the day did they? I can't recall one time we met up with Sac City CC.. too bad..We could have trashed talked each other...:)

haha. I don't know if they met up, I really wasn't into sports much. Sac City did have a beautiful stadium though, Hughes stadium.

652 FrogMarch  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 7:07:16am

re: #618 Walter L. Newton

"Slump boosts Colorado OT tab - Jobless claims strain workforce at Labor Dept. - The recession has been an absolute boon for at least one group of state employees."

Unbelievable, let's put a positive spin on the unemployment situation in Colorado. Our progressive paper of note, the Denver Post, does a wonderful job of making this shit sound like gold.

[Link: www.denverpost.com...]

Walter - we can all work for the "new energy economy". There are enough jobs for everyone! //We can all work at Vestas or install weather stripping. Walk towards the light.
I'm all for wind and solar, but the D's sound so ridiculous when the only answer they can come up with is - "get a job at Vestas". OK. sure.

653 realwest  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 7:07:25am

re: #634 quiet man
Ah, NO. Being in there is UNCONSTITUTIONAL. That means if SCOTUS (even if Sotomayor is seated by then) got a case from someone objecting to the US's participation in the ICC, I have no doubts at all that they would strike down as illegal (unconstitutional) our participation in it.

654 redstateredneck  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 7:07:25am

re: #641 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Lucky, you! You're on their mailing list. I used to be, but I got tired of Howard Dean sending me "friendly" emails, so I had myself removed. Guess they figure if they say it enough times, this crap will stick.

655 lincolntf  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 7:07:28am

re: #641 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

It's amazing how quickly they resort to villification and extremist language whenever their position is questioned.
No matter what someone's politics are, the fear and loathing of debate being displayed by the Dems on health care should be an eye-opener.

656 apachegunner  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 7:07:45am

re: #551 realwest

Hi Blue! Yep, everymorning I wake up on the right side of the grass and am not in significant pain is a good morning.
How are you doing today?


Glad to hear that RW and your mom to huh? The prayers must be working.

657 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 7:07:45am

Hey, just occurred to me.

The 11th of next month begins to total and complete responsibility of the Obama Administration for absolutely everything that happens in America.

658 laZardo  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 7:08:00am

re: #641 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I don't think I'm the only person who pronounces it "BO-ner" and not "BAY-ner."

659 Spider Mensch  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 7:08:11am

re: #611 Walter L. Newton

Morning, glad I could lighten up your morning. Of course, I probably took the thunder out of our residence progressives. Funny they are not here right now. Oh, I know, sleeping in late, will wake up later and check the family trust funds portfolio before rushing off to Starbucks.


oh I'd bet dollars to donuts that at least one of them is lurking right now.."oooh they're talking about me!! let them say what they want, stupid mouth breathing conservatives...even when I'm not there, I'm the most popular and smartest person around.. "
hehehe..

660 Mad Al-Jaffee  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 7:08:13am

re: #600 Pianobuff

Heh...which reminds me. What's the official ruling on the Obama/Joker picture? Racist or non-racist?

RACIST of course! ANY criticism/mocking of dear unicorn master is RACISSST!!!

///

661 redstateredneck  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 7:08:29am

re: #646 realwest

Hey good mornign {red} glad to see you're your usual cheerful self!

That's me...like a little ray of sunshine!
:D

662 realwest  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 7:08:36am

re: #638 quiet man
Thank you very much for that link! Too bad Hillary isn't a lawyer!

663 turn  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 7:08:38am

re: #641 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

BS

664 SasquatchOnSteroids  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 7:08:45am

re: #582 realwest

And the most ignorant Speaker of the House in my lifetime.

*Blink*
Good, morning, real. Glad to see you and your mother are fine this morning.

665 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 7:08:48am

re: #654 redstateredneck

No! Was forwarded to me. I did send back a pretty short response to the "forwarder".

666 Kosh's Shadow  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 7:08:52am

re: #652 FrogMarch

Walter - we can all work for the "new energy economy". There are enough jobs for everyone! //We can all work at Vestas or install weather stripping. Walk towards the light.
I'm all for wind and solar, but the D's sound so ridiculous when the only answer they can come up with is - "get a job at Vestas". OK. sure.

We'll get jobs pedaling generators, until someone figures out the carbon footprint of people (including food production) is too high.
Now, should I take the red pill or the blue pill?
/

667 legalpad  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 7:08:55am

re: #641 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

hey! Just forwarded to me... From the DNC!

Dear Friend,

Rep. Kratovil hanged in effigy There's been a lot of media coverage about organized mobs intimidating lawmakers, disrupting town halls, and silencing real discussion about the need for real health insurance reform.

The truth is, it's a sham. These "grassroots protests" are being organized and largely paid for by Washington special interests and insurance companies who are desperate to block reform. They're trying to use lies and fear to break the President and his agenda for change.

Health insurance reform is about our lives, our jobs, and our families -- we can't let distortions and intimidation get in the way. We need to expose these outrageous tactics, and we're counting on you to help. Can you read these "5 facts about the anti-reform mobs," then pass them along to your friends and family?

5 facts about the anti-reform mobs

1. These disruptions are being funded and organized by out-of-district special-interest groups and insurance companies who fear that health insurance reform could help Americans, but hurt their bottom line. A group run by the same folks who made the "Swiftboat" ads against John Kerry is compiling a list of congressional events in August to disrupt. An insurance company coalition has stationed employees in 30 states to track where local lawmakers hold town-hall meetings.

2. People are scared because they are being fed frightening lies. These crowds are being riled up by anti-reform lies being spread by industry front groups that invent smears to tarnish the President's plan and scare voters. But as the President has repeatedly said, health insurance reform will create more health care choices for the American people, not reduce them. If you like your insurance or your doctor, you can keep them, and there is no "government takeover" in any part of any plan supported by the President or Congress.

3. Their actions are getting more extreme. Texas protesters brought signs displaying a tombstone for Rep. Lloyd Doggett and using the "SS" symbol to compare President Obama's policies to Nazism. Maryland Rep. Frank Kratovil was hanged in effigy outside his district office. Rep. Tim Bishop of New York had to be escorted to his car by police after an angry few disrupted his town hall meeting -- and more examples like this come in every day. And they have gone beyond just trying to derail the President's health insurance reform plans, they are trying to "break" the President himself and ruin his Presidency.

4. Their goal is to disrupt and shut down legitimate conversation. Protesters have routinely shouted down representatives trying to engage in constructive dialogue with voters, and done everything they can to intimidate and silence regular people who just want more information. One attack group has even published a manual instructing protesters to "stand up and shout" and try to "rattle" lawmakers to prevent them from talking peacefully with their constituents.

5. Republican leadership is irresponsibly cheering on the thuggish crowds. Republican House Minority Leader John Boehner issued a statement applauding and promoting a video of the disruptions and looking forward to "a long, hot August for Democrats in Congress."

It's time to expose this charade, before it gets more dangerous. Please send these facts to everyone you know. You can also post them on your website, blog, or Facebook page.

Now, more than ever, we need to stand strong together and defend the truth.

Thanks,

Jen

Jen O'Malley Dillon
Executive Director
Democratic National Committee

Yeah - right - The crying old woman I saw in the protest was an actress. These Democrats could roll a tank right over her head and say they didn't. Barbara Boxer referred to the protesters as "those people", and dismissed them. I'm watching a perfectly serious ad right now with them calling them "mobs".

668 laZardo  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 7:08:55am

re: #647 keithgabryelski

I just read that in a Michael Westin voice. Heh.

669 redstateredneck  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 7:09:30am

re: #648 quiet man

sounds fishy..send it to Obama

LOL!

This morning on Fox & Friends, Steve Doocey had an email from a viewer who said they were going to turn in Joe Biden.

670 quiet man  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 7:09:34am

re: #653 realwest
No surprise to me that Hillary os for it then..Obama probably is too.
The constitution is a hinderance to liberals, because of what it really is..
the protection of the people of the US from their form of rule.

671 FrogMarch  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 7:10:00am

re: #641 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

That feels like a melt-down.
"eeek - angry hoards of special interest groups and swiftboaters are out to hurt our Messiah - stop them"

672 Irish Rose  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 7:10:17am

Good morning, lizards.

673 turn  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 7:10:44am

re: #650 laZardo

Was back in '05 though. I know the general area (mostly around E.G. not metro Sacramento), though things have, well, changed. q;

Things chage for sure. I remember when they built Consumnes it was way out in the boondocks, all by itself.

674 quiet man  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 7:11:13am

re: #669 redstateredneck
I fear Biden might get the Marilyn Monroe treatment for his big mouth...

/grin

675 HoosierHoops  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 7:11:17am

re: #637 redstateredneck

I'm pretty good. I upped my sleep number and woke up feeling a lot better!

Sleep number? Holy cow...You can dial up the sleep number? What a wonderful world we live in...LOL
It's funny...When we bought the fishing cabin we stocked it will all the shit we would throw away..Old bed? To the Cabin..Crappy TV's? Dishes? cheap furniture? It all goes to the cabin...Remember that bed you hated years ago and could not sleep at night in it? Yup..last night I couldn't sleep in it...
Nothing gets thrown out..It goes to the Cabin...This viscous cycle must stop!

676 redstateredneck  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 7:11:36am

re: #665 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

No! Was forwarded to me. I did send back a pretty short response to the "forwarder".

I clicked on the DNC site during the campaigns of last election and BAM(!), I'm on their mailing list.

677 quiet man  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 7:11:40am

re: #672 Irish Rose
Good morning to you

678 lincolntf  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 7:12:01am

re: #665 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

What do you want to bet that more Libs will read that e-mail than will ever read a single word of the actual bill? Which is exactly what the DNC wants/expects.
Keeping their little knots of malcontents dumb, poor and angry is Job #1..

679 laZardo  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 7:12:07am

I consider myself leaning liberal, but I hang around LGF mainly because living in the Philippines (and around our heinously shameful bureaucracy) as long has I have has taught me to call BS on government bureaucracy-boosters like this health care plan. >__>

/just puttin that out there.

680 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 7:12:08am

re: #676 redstateredneck

I never click on anything logged in to anything.

681 Spenser (with an S)  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 7:12:41am

re: #652 FrogMarch

re: #618 Walter L. Newton

"Slump boosts Colorado OT tab - Jobless claims strain workforce at Labor Dept. - The recession has been an absolute boon for at least one group of state employees."

Unbelievable, let's put a positive spin on the unemployment situation in Colorado. Our progressive paper of note, the Denver Post, does a wonderful job of making this shit sound like gold.

[Link: [Link: www.denverpost.com...]...]

Walter - we can all work for the "new energy economy". There are enough jobs for everyone! //We can all work at Vestas or install weather stripping. Walk towards the light.
I'm all for wind and solar, but the D's sound so ridiculous when the only answer they can come up with is - "get a job at Vestas". OK. sure.

I'll look for the link, but there was actually a helpful, interactive unemployment map put out by the NYT (!?). Showed county by county. A county in our thumb (MI) has 20% official unemployment. Unofficial probably 35% or more.

682 _RememberTonyC  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 7:12:46am

re: #649 Kosh's Shadow

Our "peace partners"
Fatah adopts resolution blaming Israel for Arafat's death
Any more remarks I have on this need to be deleted if I want to keep posting here.


i still believe arafat died of AIDS and france helped cover up the evidence. all those years of "alternate lifestyle" activity caught up to arafish.

683 redstateredneck  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 7:13:08am

re: #675 HoosierHoops

Sleep number? Holy cow...You can dial up the sleep number? What a wonderful world we live in...LOL
It's funny...When we bought the fishing cabin we stocked it will all the shit we would throw away..Old bed? To the Cabin..Crappy TV's? Dishes? cheap furniture? It all goes to the cabin...Remember that bed you hated years ago and could not sleep at night in it? Yup..last night I couldn't sleep in it...
Nothing gets thrown out..It goes to the Cabin...This viscous cycle must stop!

We did that for years, too. Then mrhighechredneck decided the cabin needed a makeover. Now we've got better stuff there than at home!

684 Kosh's Shadow  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 7:13:32am

And then some good news out of Israel; well, it is bad that they need this, but good that they have it:
Trophy tank defense system operational

The IDF Ground Forces Command has declared the Trophy anti-tank missile defense system operational after it underwent a series of tests last week that surpassed expectations regarding the system's capability.
The Trophy system, developed by Rafael, creates a hemispheric protected zone around armored vehicles such as the Merkava tank, which operated prominently in Lebanon. The system is designed to detect and track a threat and counters it with a launched projectile that intercepts the anti-tank missile.


They have a different system they use to protect armored personnel carriers:

While the Trophy will be installed on tanks, the IDF recently announced plans to equip the Namer armored personnel carrier with the Iron Fist missile defense system, developed by Israel Military Industries.
The Iron Fist consists of a radar and passive optical system that detect incoming threats and destroy them by using a combustible blast interceptor within a fraction of a second. Unlike the Trophy which fires off a large number of projectiles, the Iron Fist intercepts incoming threats by using a rocket the shape of a mortar that destroys the threat by using a blast effect which crushes its soft components or deflects the missile or kinetic rod in their flight.
685 apachegunner  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 7:13:37am

re: #641 Fat Bastard Vegetarian thanks for that!

686 quiet man  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 7:13:51am

re: #679 laZardo
Doesn't the history of the Philippines make you lean away from liberalism rather than into it??

687 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 7:13:51am

re: #672 Irish Rose

Hiya Rose.

688 redstateredneck  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 7:14:26am

re: #680 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I never click on anything logged in to anything.

I'm learning that lesson the hard way.

689 KenJen  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 7:14:33am

re: #649 Kosh's Shadow

Our "peace partners"
Fatah adopts resolution blaming Israel for Arafat's death
Any more remarks I have on this need to be deleted if I want to keep posting here.

Estranged PLO leader+Strange dead Palestinian Authority Chairman+ Deathbed document=conspiracy.

690 apachegunner  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 7:15:04am

re: #645 avanti

Morning all, I think the poll has a simpler explanation. The safest path for a POTUS is to not make waves, not change a lot of things, a conservative position if you will, as Bush did.
If you come in with a plan to make a lot of liberal changes, you'll make people uncomfortable, voters fear change even as they say they want it.
A lame analogy would be my wife's resistance to using e-mail. She fought me tooth and nail, but once she started, she loves it.
It's the same with Obama's health care plan for example. The voters wanted it by large margins when they voted for Obama, but now they are scared. If health care passes, and works, the POTUS will benefit, if not, they'll want conservatives and less change next time around.


no one ever wanted health care "in large numbers". I totally disagree with that, never.

691 Kosh's Shadow  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 7:15:05am

re: #682 _RememberTonyC

i still believe arafat died of AIDS and france helped cover up the evidence. all those years of "alternate lifestyle" activity caught up to arafish.

He deserved even worse.

692 realwest  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 7:15:06am

re: #641 Fat Bastard Vegetarian You know, with just a few changes, that coulda come from the RNC during Bush's term in office!
God forbid people organize to object to a massive shift in our health care policies and products. And if it's against Obama it MUST BE no good, right?
I just pointed that out for all y'all who think deviousness and political machinations are the sole province of the GOP. The Dems do it more often and with much more alacrity! Course, they've had more practice with it and have ACORN to help them figure out the best way to assassinate the character of all those who protest the President's ideas.

693 FrogMarch  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 7:15:19am

re: #682 _RememberTonyC

i still believe arafat died of AIDS and france helped cover up the evidence. all those years of "alternate lifestyle" activity caught up to arafish.

Speaking of which - Hamas certainly partakes in the alternative lifestyle.
Sick.

694 lawhawk  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 7:15:26am

Greets and saluts from the dank and humid NYC metro area.

The news on the economy isn't exactly encouraging either. A cheerful spin is being put out on the latest unemployment data, but bear in mind that recent revisions in the unemployment figures keeps increasing the numbers - not decreasing them.

The Labor Department said that initial claims for jobless benefits dropped to a seasonally adjusted 550,000 for the week ending Aug. 1, down from an upwardly revised figure of 588,000 in the previous week.

That's much lower than analysts' estimates of 580,000, according to a survey by Thomson Reuters. The four-week average of claims, which smooths out fluctuations, dropped to 555,250, its lowest level since late January.

So, while this week's claims appear to be down from estimates, watch for the number to be revised above the current figure.

The estimates keep undercounting the true unemployment figures - and bear in mind that half a million people keep filing new claims.

As bad as that is, it's nothing compared to the long term woe resulting from the consideration that nearly 50% of homeowners will be underwater on their mortgages by 2011. That affects all aspects of the economy, but none harder than all industries related to home building, sales, home improvement, and furnishings.

695 KansasMom  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 7:15:51am

Good morning, all. Are we playing nice today?

696 turn  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 7:15:52am

re: #672 Irish Rose

Good morning, lizards.

Morning Rose, Salamantis linked to your comment about ice yesterday, I went back and updinged you. I'm one of those people Charles suggested might be getting turned away by the constant bickering and bullying.

697 3 wood  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 7:16:03am

One last goodie from HR 320 for the day beofre I get busy doing other things.

On page 98 you get to the topic of "subsidized individuals"

8 (B) SUBSIDIZED INDIVIDUALS DE9
SCRIBED.—An individual described in this sub

10paragraph is an Exchange-eligible individual
11 who is either of the following:
12 (i) AFFORDABILITY CREDIT ELIGIBLE
13 INDIVIDUALS.—The individual—
14 (I) has applied for, and been de
15 termined eligible for, affordability
16 credits under subtitle C;
17 (II) has not opted out from re
18 ceiving such affordability credit; and
19 (III) does not otherwise enroll in
20 another Exchange-participating health
21 benefits plan.


This is going to be a black hole for money. You can forget about any kind of cost controlling going on, when we subsidize folks too.

698 spare o'lake  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 7:16:05am

re: #682 _RememberTonyC

i still believe arafat died of AIDS and france helped cover up the evidence. all those years of "alternate lifestyle" activity caught up to arafish.

No way! And I thought it was terminal beard stubble.

699 Mad Al-Jaffee  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 7:16:15am

re: #682 _RememberTonyC

i still believe arafat died of AIDS and france helped cover up the evidence. all those years of "alternate lifestyle" activity caught up to arafish.

No, the Jooos gave him AIDS! They put it in his breakfast cereal and he caught it that way!

700 FrogMarch  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 7:17:11am

re: #641 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

hey! Just forwarded to me... From the DNC!

Dear Friend,

Rep. Kratovil hanged in effigy There's been a lot of media coverage about organized mobs intimidating lawmakers, disrupting town halls, and silencing real discussion about the need for real health insurance reform.

The truth is, it's a sham. These "grassroots protests" are being organized and largely paid for by Washington special interests and insurance companies who are desperate to block reform. They're trying to use lies and fear to break the President and his agenda for change.

Health insurance reform is about our lives, our jobs, and our families -- we can't let distortions and intimidation get in the way. We need to expose these outrageous tactics, and we're counting on you to help. Can you read these "5 facts about the anti-reform mobs," then pass them along to your friends and family?

5 facts about the anti-reform mobs

1. These disruptions are being funded and organized by out-of-district special-interest groups and insurance companies who fear that health insurance reform could help Americans, but hurt their bottom line. A group run by the same folks who made the "Swiftboat" ads against John Kerry is compiling a list of congressional events in August to disrupt. An insurance company coalition has stationed employees in 30 states to track where local lawmakers hold town-hall meetings.

2. People are scared because they are being fed frightening lies. These crowds are being riled up by anti-reform lies being spread by industry front groups that invent smears to tarnish the President's plan and scare voters. But as the President has repeatedly said, health insurance reform will create more health care choices for the American people, not reduce them. If you like your insurance or your doctor, you can keep them, and there is no "government takeover" in any part of any plan supported by the President or Congress.

3. Their actions are getting more extreme. Texas protesters brought signs displaying a tombstone for Rep. Lloyd Doggett and using the "SS" symbol to compare President Obama's policies to Nazism. Maryland Rep. Frank Kratovil was hanged in effigy outside his district office. Rep. Tim Bishop of New York had to be escorted to his car by police after an angry few disrupted his town hall meeting -- and more examples like this come in every day. And they have gone beyond just trying to derail the President's health insurance reform plans, they are trying to "break" the President himself and ruin his Presidency.

4. Their goal is to disrupt and shut down legitimate conversation. Protesters have routinely shouted down representatives trying to engage in constructive dialogue with voters, and done everything they can to intimidate and silence regular people who just want more information. One attack group has even published a manual instructing protesters to "stand up and shout" and try to "rattle" lawmakers to prevent them from talking peacefully with their constituents.

5. Republican leadership is irresponsibly cheering on the thuggish crowds. Republican House Minority Leader John Boehner issued a statement applauding and promoting a video of the disruptions and looking forward to "a long, hot August for Democrats in Congress."

It's time to expose this charade, before it gets more dangerous. Please send these facts to everyone you know. You can also post them on your website, blog, or Facebook page.

Now, more than ever, we need to stand strong together and defend the truth.

Thanks,

Jen

Jen O'Malley Dillon
Executive Director
Democratic National Committee


hmmm - They can dish it.

701 Pianobuff  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 7:17:18am

re: #690 apachegunner

no one ever wanted health care "in large numbers". I totally disagree with that, never.

That skewed NYT(?) Poll from about 6 weeks ago is the centerpiece of the left's claims for a mandate... and yes they are dragging that tired little poll out at every available opportunity in spite of umpteen dozen polls showing otherwise.

702 redstateredneck  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 7:17:20am

re: #689 KenJen

Good Morning from the dachshund pack.

703 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 7:17:35am

re: #645 avanti

Morning all, I think the poll has a simpler explanation. The safest path for a POTUS is to not make waves, not change a lot of things, a conservative position if you will, as Bush did.
If you come in with a plan to make a lot of liberal changes, you'll make people uncomfortable, voters fear change even as they say they want it.
A lame analogy would be my wife's resistance to using e-mail. She fought me tooth and nail, but once she started, she loves it.
It's the same with Obama's health care plan for example. The voters wanted it by large margins when they voted for Obama, but now they are scared. If health care passes, and works, the POTUS will benefit, if not, they'll want conservatives and less change next time around.

Yep, that was simple. LOL :)

"voters fear change even as they say they want it." And Iceweasel say the president lies to the progressives, it's really confusing, isn't it.

"...wife's resistance to using e-mail." Yes, because email, good, nationalized single payer health care, bad.

So, in your world everything is good, and if it goes bad, well, too bad. In my world, I think out issues, look at the possibilities and make intelligent decisions, I don't live life through a "well, if it works out" process.

But, you, have fun.

704 quiet man  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 7:17:51am

I must go earn my crust of bread.

later!!

705 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 7:17:59am

KenJen? you out there. you soggy?

706 spare o'lake  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 7:18:06am

re: #694 lawhawk

Greets and saluts from the dank and humid NYC metro area.

The news on the economy isn't exactly encouraging either. A cheerful spin is being put out on the latest unemployment data, but bear in mind that recent revisions in the unemployment figures keeps increasing the numbers - not decreasing them.


So, while this week's claims appear to be down from estimates, watch for the number to be revised above the current figure.

The estimates keep undercounting the true unemployment figures - and bear in mind that half a million people keep filing new claims.

As bad as that is, it's nothing compared to the long term woe resulting from the consideration that nearly 50% of homeowners will be underwater on their mortgages by 2011. That affects all aspects of the economy, but none harder than all industries related to home building, sales, home improvement, and furnishings.

Bailout Part II.

707 Kosh's Shadow  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 7:18:14am

re: #699 Mad Al-Jaffee

No, the Jooos gave him AIDS! They put it in his breakfast cereal and he caught it that way!

Funny, I thought the CIA and the Mossad created AIDS to keep the black man down.
/Rev. Wright mode off

708 redstateredneck  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 7:18:17am

re: #695 KansasMom

Good morning, all. Are we playing nice today?

So far nobody has been sent to time out.

709 HoosierHoops  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 7:18:28am

re: #683 redstateredneck

We did that for years, too. Then mrhighechredneck decided the cabin needed a makeover. Now we've got better stuff there than at home!

That's a dream..Awesome
When you only spend a bout a month a year somewhere It's hard to do anything but stock it with second hand stuff...Your place sounds real nice...
I took Winston on a walk yesterday and he met his first horse...He was flipping out.. It was cute watching him get so excited to run around that great big horsey...

710 laZardo  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 7:18:52am

re: #686 quiet man

Not necessarily. Ferdinand Marcos was Reagan's boy (RIP Cory Aquino), not some Soviet puppet, even though we like to claim that People Power began the series of peaceful revolutions that ended the Cold War. And the Philippine Catholic Church (among other denominations) often dips its hands into local politics deeper than it should.

Away from phony populism as seen with election campaigns here, most certainly. But from a government that for once is actually extending a helping hand to the poor (as tainted as it currently is), not really.

/unlike a lot of leftists here, I have a quiet respect for Gloria Arroyo. >_>

711 realwest  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 7:18:56am

re: #672 Irish Rose
Good morning Irish Rose - hope you're doing well today!

712 HoosierHoops  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 7:19:21am

re: #672 Irish Rose

Good morning, lizards.

Good morning Irish..
Very nice post yesterday...

713 apachegunner  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 7:19:36am

re: #701 Pianobuff

That skewed NYT(?) Poll from about 6 weeks ago is the centerpiece of the left's claims for a mandate... and yes they are dragging that tired little poll out at every available opportunity in spite of umpteen dozen polls showing otherwise.


they are trying to connect with "change" which was mandated by less than a large half of the population.

714 laZardo  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 7:19:41am

re: #699 Mad Al-Jaffee

No, the Jooos planted AIDS in the pool where Arafat liked to take relaxing swims!

/obscure 4chan meme q;

715 _RememberTonyC  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 7:20:02am

re: #691 Kosh's Shadow

He deserved even worse.


hopefully he's in a place where he's expeiencing being on the "bottom" with a ron jeremy clone on top.

716 lawhawk  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 7:20:30am

re: #649 Kosh's Shadow

Let me pick up where you've left off.

Fatah has no interest in peace with Israel. They want to supplant Israel just as surely as Hamas does, but are more willing to be patient and use the papercuts method to achieve their goal of destroying Israel and eliminating what they view as a cancer on the region.

They'll let Hamas do the fighting, while they benefit from the terrorists' actions. It's a triangle offense.

The Palestinians do not seek peace with Israel - and they hardly seek a 2-state solution. They want a one-state solution, and that doesn't mean Israel exists.

They'll use anything and everything at their disposal to whip the Palestinian street into a frenzy, including making asinine claims that Arafat was killed by Israel.

The fact is that the world is better off with Arafat dead.

717 avanti  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 7:20:43am

re: #655 lincolntf

It's amazing how quickly they resort to villification and extremist language whenever their position is questioned.
No matter what someone's politics are, the fear and loathing of debate being displayed by the Dems on health care should be an eye-opener.

I don't oppose the questioning, but yelling down either side and refusing to listen to the speakers is bad PR IMHO. If they went to the town halls, asked questions, and expressed their concerns in a civil manner, they might get the answers they seek.
But asking a question, then getting a answer you disagree with and yelling out "Liar !" hanging congressmen in effigy, SS symbols and the rest will just get you negative press in the MSM.
Many think the right is loony, with the tea parties and the rest, organized disruptions just reinforce it and the left will use it against the normal conservitves.

718 thedopefishlives  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 7:20:47am

re: #714 laZardo

No, the Jooos planted AIDS in the pool where Arafat liked to take relaxing swims!

/obscure 4chan meme q;

AIDS is a joooish bio-warfare weapon.

/Come on, if you're going to drink the Kool-aid, might as well go bottoms-up...

719 realwest  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 7:20:53am

Well y'all I'd love to stay and play but I gotta go now!
Hope you all have a great day and that I get the chance to see you all down the road!

720 turn  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 7:21:05am

re: #697 3 wood

Good morning 3 wood. Do you know if there are any provisions in the legislation that would require beneficiaries to show proof of US citizenship?

721 laZardo  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 7:21:11am

re: #693 FrogMarch

Speaking of which - Hamas certainly partakes in the alternative lifestyle.
Sick.

It wasn't a mass child wedding! Gaza only now got word of Michael Jackson's death because the Israeli blockade is preventing the spread of worth information!

/oh, wait.

722 Pianobuff  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 7:21:14am

Juan Williams on the tube is glumly conceding that Obama does not have the public behind him on healthcare.

Juan was wearing a nice suit. Very dashing.

723 _RememberTonyC  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 7:21:24am

re: #693 FrogMarch

Speaking of which - Hamas certainly partakes in the alternative lifestyle.
Sick.


OMG ...

724 Mad Al-Jaffee  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 7:21:54am

re: #714 laZardo

No, the Jooos planted AIDS in the pool where Arafat liked to take relaxing swims!

/obscure 4chan meme q;

Relaxing nude "swims" with his teenage male "assistant"?

725 Kosh's Shadow  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 7:22:09am

And this shows how good the IAF is, and not just their fighter pilots:
IAF takes first place in biannual American Hercules competition

RODEO, a biannual event that brings transport and mobility air crews from around the world together for several days of competitions, tests the teams' expertise in landing, locating drop zones and parachuting equipment.
...
Twelve air crews from eight countries, including the US, Germany, Spain and Belgium, participated in the competition. Saudi Arabia and Oman also sent air crews, to observe the competition.

The competition consisted of three flights, during which the teams were to navigate to specific positions and parachute both heavy and light payloads onto exact coordinates. Avshalom, a veteran navigator and a member of the first Israeli crew to win the competition in 1990, flew to the US last week to join the IAF team once again and lead it to victory.

One of the categories the teams were tested in is the amount of time they spend over a drop zone, with the objective to stay for as little time as possible. In a total of four drops, the Israeli crew loitered over the zones for a total of six seconds.

"Coming in [at] first place shows the world that the IAF is one of the best," Avshalom said Tuesday. "The US commander sent a team onto our plane to see how we succeeded in doing it."


Interesting that Saudi Arabia was observing. Now they know what they're up against.

726 _RememberTonyC  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 7:22:48am

re: #699 Mad Al-Jaffee

No, the Jooos gave him AIDS! They put it in his breakfast cereal and he caught it that way!


fruit loops?

727 redstateredneck  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 7:22:54am

re: #709 HoosierHoops

That's a dream..Awesome
When you only spend a bout a month a year somewhere It's hard to do anything but stock it with second hand stuff...Your place sounds real nice...
I took Winston on a walk yesterday and he met his first horse...He was flipping out.. It was cute watching him get so excited to run around that great big horsey...


This is our place. You can scroll through and see some other pics.

728 CynicalConservative  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 7:23:06am

re: #708 redstateredneck

So far nobody has been sent to time out.

Thought for sure that some would go yesterday.

729 turn  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 7:23:08am

re: #702 redstateredneck

Good Morning from the dachshund pack.

Aww, they're so cute!

730 laZardo  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 7:23:13am

re: #724 Mad Al-Jaffee

brb, barf break

731 Pianobuff  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 7:23:27am

re: #717 avanti

I don't oppose the questioning, but yelling down either side and refusing to listen to the speakers is bad PR IMHO. If they went to the town halls, asked questions, and expressed their concerns in a civil manner, they might get the answers they seek.
But asking a question, then getting a answer you disagree with and yelling out "Liar !" hanging congressmen in effigy, SS symbols and the rest will just get you negative press in the MSM.
Many think the right is loony, with the tea parties and the rest, organized disruptions just reinforce it and the left will use it against the normal conservitves.

What about the people there that say they are Democrats? I remember a guy stating he was a Dem to Steny and Steny still being ticked.

732 KenJen  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 7:23:37am

re: #702 redstateredneck

Good Morning from the dachshund pack.

Sooo cute. Yesterday I was working in the front yard. Went to check on the pups in the back. They were lined up behind the gate looking for me. Five in a row, shortest to tallest. It would have made a great picture.

733 Kosh's Shadow  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 7:23:49am

re: #693 FrogMarch

Speaking of which - Hamas certainly partakes in the alternative lifestyle.
Sick.

I wonder how many were named Aisha.
The Prophet (pork and bacon upon him) would approve.

734 justabill  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 7:23:56am

re: #700 FrogMarch

There was an e-mail set up where you can forward dis-information about the health care plan. I am too lazy to look it up, but you can find it in yesterdays threads. You should forward the DNC e-mail there...

735 redstateredneck  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 7:24:16am

re: #719 realwest

Well y'all I'd love to stay and play but I gotta go now!
Hope you all have a great day and that I get the chance to see you all down the road!

There goes the busiest retired man I know!

736 _RememberTonyC  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 7:24:44am

re: #719 realwest

Well y'all I'd love to stay and play but I gotta go now!
Hope you all have a great day and that I get the chance to see you all down the road!

be well, young man :)

737 johnnyreb  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 7:24:52am

re: #638 quiet man

Just shows me that they are desperate and know that their pet program is DOA.

738 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 7:24:57am

re: #717 avanti

I don't oppose the questioning, but yelling down either side and refusing to listen to the speakers is bad PR IMHO. If they went to the town halls, asked questions, and expressed their concerns in a civil manner, they might get the answers they seek.
But asking a question, then getting a answer you disagree with and yelling out "Liar !" hanging congressmen in effigy, SS symbols and the rest will just get you negative press in the MSM.
Many think the right is loony, with the tea parties and the rest, organized disruptions just reinforce it and the left will use it against the normal conservitves.

Maybe some conservatives took a part of the progressives playbook? The progressives spent a lot of time and energy disrupting conservative events before the election. Remember?

No, doesn't make it right, but, fight fire with fire. The progressives have lead the pack with nasty tactics, and I'm glad to see some conservative not backing down, being cowed into being quiet little sheep, which is exactly what the left is trying to do.

Shut us up, "calm" us down, tell us we are seething and raging and squabbling. Well, guess what, I am, I will and nothing you say (or any other progressive) will stop me.

Be prepared, it's going to be a rocky ride. Too bad, so sad. Beef up.

739 redstateredneck  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 7:25:14am

re: #728 CynicalConservative

Thought for sure that some would go yesterday.


Good thing I was busy yesterday and not on!

740 BlueCanuck  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 7:25:45am

re: #684 Kosh's Shadow

And then some good news out of Israel; well, it is bad that they need this, but good that they have it:
Trophy tank defense system operational

Sounds similar to the point defense systems on the tanks from "Hammer's Slammers".

741 redstateredneck  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 7:25:49am

re: #729 turn

Aww, they're so cute!

I never intended to have four dogs. It just happened.

742 KenJen  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 7:26:01am

re: #705 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

KenJen? you out there. you soggy?

*Removes snorkel* I'm here. Thankfully didn't get any water damage at my house. Some people I know had 6 feet of water in their basements.

743 legalpad  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 7:26:17am

re: #671 FrogMarch

That feels like a melt-down.
"eeek - angry hoards of special interest groups and swiftboaters are out to hurt our Messiah - stop them"

Good summary.

744 turn  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 7:26:33am

re: #741 redstateredneck

I never intended to have four dogs. It just happened.

I can see why.

745 Lincolntf  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 7:26:34am

re: #717 avanti

The most vociferous of the protesters have been Dems at Dem events. The "angry mob" fear-mongering and attempts at marginilazation might fly on Daily Kos, but gimme a flippin' break.
You insult the intelligence of everyone reading this with that crap. Read the polls. Look at the crowds. Talk to people. If the "fringe" is 65% of the population, then it's not the freakin' fringe!

746 albusteve  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 7:26:39am

re: #717 avanti

I don't oppose the questioning, but yelling down either side and refusing to listen to the speakers is bad PR IMHO. If they went to the town halls, asked questions, and expressed their concerns in a civil manner, they might get the answers they seek.
But asking a question, then getting a answer you disagree with and yelling out "Liar !" hanging congressmen in effigy, SS symbols and the rest will just get you negative press in the MSM.
Many think the right is loony, with the tea parties and the rest, organized disruptions just reinforce it and the left will use it against the normal conservitves.

from who?...the people know more about the bill than the legislators, one of the reasons they are pissed in the first place...playing nice is a waste of time

747 redstateredneck  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 7:26:52am

re: #732 KenJen

Sooo cute. Yesterday I was working in the front yard. Went to check on the pups in the back. They were lined up behind the gate looking for me. Five in a row, shortest to tallest. It would have made a great picture.

My younger daughter took that picture of them on her bed. She took a lot to get one of everybody looking at the camera at the same time!

748 FrogMarch  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 7:26:59am

re: #734 justabill

There was an e-mail set up where you can forward dis-information about the health care plan. I am too lazy to look it up, but you can find it in yesterdays threads. You should forward the DNC e-mail there...

Flag@Whitehouse.gov

749 Pianobuff  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 7:27:05am

re: #731 Pianobuff

What about the people there that say they are Democrats? I remember a guy stating he was a Dem to Steny and Steny still being ticked.

I should have added that there's hardly any Republicans left anymore. With well over 50% firmly opposed to Obamacare, the numbers simply don't allow for the opposition to be just lunatic R's. There must be some certifiable Nazi indies and batshit hate-mongering democrats in their that are insanely against Obamacare for fishy reasons, wouldn't you say?

750 avanti  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 7:27:15am

re: #690 apachegunner

no one ever wanted health care "in large numbers". I totally disagree with that, never.

I could provide polling, but you'd likely ignore it. Don't forget even McCain had to push health care because it was popular with the voters. It was a popular, now many of those that wanted it are rightly scared after reading some of negative spin and the polling show support dropping.

751 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 7:27:31am

re: #717 avanti

The left think that they own shrill.

But, a hundred bucks we won't send in naked larged scrotumed people to protest. A hundred bucks.

752 spare o'lake  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 7:27:37am

re: #733 Kosh's Shadow

I wonder how many were named Aisha.
The Prophet (pork and bacon upon him) would approve.

...and now it hurts to know the truth..//

753 albusteve  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 7:27:50am

re: #722 Pianobuff

Juan Williams on the tube is glumly conceding that Obama does not have the public behind him on healthcare.

Juan was wearing a nice suit. Very dashing.

BO does not need the public...he needs the votes...representative govt is fading away

754 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 7:27:56am

re: #742 KenJen

Glad yer okay.

755 HoosierHoops  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 7:28:16am

re: #727 redstateredneck

This is our place. You can scroll through and see some other pics.

Awesome place! I'll take some pics of the low rent joint up here and post them to you..
Love your place!

756 apachegunner  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 7:28:50am

re: #750 avanti

I could provide polling, but you'd likely ignore it. Don't forget even McCain had to push health care because it was popular with the voters. It was a popular, now many of those that wanted it are rightly scared after reading some of negative spin and the polling show support dropping.


ha! negative spin? gimme a positive spin, go ahead!

757 justabill  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 7:28:54am

re: #738 Walter L. Newton

Does anyone have documentation of Nazi symbols at these town halls. I'd love to see a photo. And I'd love to see info on who they find in the photo.

I know that the Rep party has more than its share of crazies, are they really that stupid? If such things have occured, they smell like false flag operations to me.

758 Kosh's Shadow  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 7:29:07am

re: #740 BlueCanuck

Sounds similar to the point defense systems on the tanks from "Hammer's Slammers".

Somewhat, yes. BTW, I'm about halfway through "The Tank Lords", on the mobipocket reader on my Blackberry.

759 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 7:29:20am

re: #750 avanti

I think that everyone wants some healthcare reform. I think that everybody also has a different definition of healthcare reform.

Me? Start with "tort".

Ain't gonna happen, so I'm pissed.

760 redstateredneck  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 7:29:34am

re: #738 Walter L. Newton

Maybe some conservatives took a part of the progressives playbook? The progressives spent a lot of time and energy disrupting conservative events before the election. Remember?

No, doesn't make it right, but, fight fire with fire. The progressives have lead the pack with nasty tactics, and I'm glad to see some conservative not backing down, being cowed into being quiet little sheep, which is exactly what the left is trying to do.

Shut us up, "calm" us down, tell us we are seething and raging and squabbling. Well, guess what, I am, I will and nothing you say (or any other progressive) will stop me.

Be prepared, it's going to be a rocky ride. Too bad, so sad. Beef up.

I think a lot of people are just so frustrated that it's impossible to just sit there and listen to the crap. From what I understand, this is the first time a lot of these people have attended these types of town halls, etc. They're scared, they're mad as hell, and THEY'RE NOT GONNA TAKE IT ANY MORE! ! !

761 Pianobuff  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 7:29:37am

re: #750 avanti

I could provide polling, but you'd likely ignore it. Don't forget even McCain had to push health care because it was popular with the voters. It was a popular, now many of those that wanted it are rightly scared after reading some of negative spin and the polling show support dropping.

So you don't think that maybe... like... spending TRILLIONS of dollars in the interim made some people a little wobbly on spending a ton more money, or is it just really good fear-mongering at work?

762 Kosh's Shadow  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 7:29:43am

re: #741 redstateredneck

I never intended to have four dogs. It just happened.

We have seven - three standard poodles, three toys, and one "tiny".

763 turn  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 7:29:43am

bbl - "work"

764 Spenser (with an S)  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 7:29:48am

re: #741 redstateredneck

I never intended to have four dogs. It just happened.

I never intended to have 4 kids. It just happened.

/as soon as I figured out how, I took care of that problem

765 apachegunner  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 7:30:11am

re: #757 justabill

Does anyone have documentation of Nazi symbols at these town halls. I'd love to see a photo. And I'd love to see info on who they find in the photo.

I know that the Rep party has more than its share of crazies, are they really that stupid? If such things have occured, they smell like false flag operations to me.


yeah, and the CIA lied to her and congress, they do it all the time.

766 avanti  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 7:30:56am

re: #731 Pianobuff

What about the people there that say they are Democrats? I remember a guy stating he was a Dem to Steny and Steny still being ticked.

I'm not familiar with that one, but if he was a Dem, or a Republican just asking a question and Steny got ticked, that's dead wrong.

767 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 7:30:57am

re: #762 Kosh's Shadow

three standard poodles

I have a "below-standard" mutt.

768 Pianobuff  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 7:31:16am

re: #757 justabill

Does anyone have documentation of Nazi symbols at these town halls. I'd love to see a photo. And I'd love to see info on who they find in the photo.

I know that the Rep party has more than its share of crazies, are they really that stupid? If such things have occured, they smell like false flag operations to me.

Nancy Pelosi identified the swastika brandishing folks as being the astroturfers. Is it just me, or she just making crap up?

769 redstateredneck  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 7:31:51am

re: #755 HoosierHoops

Awesome place! I'll take some pics of the low rent joint up here and post them to you..
Love your place!

Thanks! We started out at the lake sleeping in the back of the pickup with a camper shell on an old mattress . Moved up to an old travel trailer and on and on.

770 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 7:32:04am

re: #738 Walter L. Newton

Maybe some conservatives took a part of the progressives playbook? The progressives spent a lot of time and energy disrupting conservative events before the election. Remember?

No, doesn't make it right, but, fight fire with fire. The progressives have lead the pack with nasty tactics, and I'm glad to see some conservative not backing down, being cowed into being quiet little sheep, which is exactly what the left is trying to do.

Shut us up, "calm" us down, tell us we are seething and raging and squabbling. Well, guess what, I am, I will and nothing you say (or any other progressive) will stop me.

Be prepared, it's going to be a rocky ride. Too bad, so sad. Beef up.

And on that note, don't be fooled into being quiet. There is a concerted effort happening, right now, to shut down intelligent debate on socialist versus conservative issues.

In some cases, we, the conservatives started it, by letting our wacko-wing get so much public attention. And the left is using that stepping stone as a way to claim that EVERYTHING we do or say is far right wing, crazy, dangerous and it need to be stopped.

It happens here on LGF on a daily basis. Pay close attention.

Well, it doesn't need to stop. They are going to try to convince you that you are a "mob" and that you are doing something "fishy." They are using every available outlet to try to make you look foolish.

The only way you will look foolish is if you let them win. Every conservative should be speaking out as loud. If your message is crazy, you will be recognized for crazy, if your message is intelligent and fact filled, then you will be seen as someone who has a valid point to make.

But if you say nothing, you will never be seen.

771 acwgusa  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 7:32:15am

re: #714 laZardo

No, the Jooos planted AIDS in the pool where Arafat liked to take relaxing swims!

/obscure 4chan meme q;

Ah, 4chan. Making rabid Internet Conspiracy Theorists look sane by comparision. They make forum flamewars look like high tea and cookies.

772 Irish Rose  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 7:32:34am

re: #558 apachegunner

bingo!

Honestly, if you want to know her political ideology, why don't you ask her yourself? Pretty simple, really. I know ice quite well; she's an extremely decent person, and a very kind individual. If you take the time to get to know her you'll find this out for yourself.

She's clearly not afraid to defend herself when backed into a corner, however, and that's a quality that I have a lot of respect for.

773 Lincolntf  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 7:33:31am

re: #768 Pianobuff

Probably.
Having already established herself as a liar on matters of national defense, what would a little fib about Nazi's be to her?

774 Pianobuff  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 7:33:34am

re: #766 avanti

I'm not familiar with that one, but if he was a Dem, or a Republican just asking a question and Steny got ticked, that's dead wrong.

This man (the self-identified Dem) actually had a good line. He asked why with every piece of important legislation Dems had to jam it through quickly but it took months for Dear Leader to select his dog. I thought it was funny anyway.

775 Salamantis  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 7:33:37am

re: #760 redstateredneck

I think a lot of people are just so frustrated that it's impossible to just sit there and listen to the crap. From what I understand, this is the first time a lot of these people have attended these types of town halls, etc. They're scared, they're mad as hell, and THEY'RE NOT GONNA TAKE IT ANY MORE! ! !

Umm...maybe Howard Beale isn't our best role model? First, he was batguano crayzee, raving and wildly gesticulating before undergoing seizures and collapsing on the floor. Then, after Power spoke global Troof to him, he slavishly embraced the corporate suck and counseled submission to the inevitable.

776 VioletTiger  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 7:33:47am

re: #641 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Lousy liars!
I can't believe they would stoop so low as to claim that ordinary citizens are an 'organized mob'.
It's so Chicago style politics.

777 laZardo  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 7:33:53am

re: #771 acwgusa

And that's what makes them so fun to hang around.

/mmm, flirting with danger

778 Kosh's Shadow  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 7:33:54am

re: #759 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I think that everyone wants some healthcare reform. I think that everybody also has a different definition of healthcare reform.

Me? Start with "tort".

Ain't gonna happen, so I'm pissed.

I think most people would support something like the Massachusetts system, where everyone has to get health insurance, and if you really can't afford it, then it is subsidized.
But even that turns out to be expensive, and would be more expensive if they didn't let people who make too much for the subsidies, but too little to afford insurance, not get insurance.
However, the health care industry in Mass is huge, and a strong lobby, and also, health care here is expensive.

But I think this is the kind of plan most people could support, not one where the government controls everything.
Romney could be in good shape to propose this after Obamacare fails miserably. (I'm hoping it fails to pass, yes.)
Mitt, are you listening?

779 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 7:34:00am

re: #757 justabill

Does anyone have documentation of Nazi symbols at these town halls. I'd love to see a photo. And I'd love to see info on who they find in the photo.

I know that the Rep party has more than its share of crazies, are they really that stupid? If such things have occured, they smell like false flag operations to me.

Scientology tactics? :)

780 KenJen  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 7:34:08am

re: #741 redstateredneck

I never intended to have four dogs. It just happened.

I was just doing some math. My dogs, in total, weigh more than I do. 5 dogs equal 280lbs. One Jen equals 130lbs.

781 redstateredneck  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 7:34:23am

re: #764 Spenser (with an S)

I never intended to have 4 kids. It just happened.

/as soon as I figured out how, I took care of that problem

LOL! That reminds me of a conversation mrhightechredneck and I had not long ago. I was talking about how I looked forward to grandchildren and he said, "Grandkids! Hell, I didn't want the kids!"
He was just kidding...I think.

782 avanti  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 7:34:24am

re: #756 apachegunner

ha! negative spin? gimme a positive spin, go ahead!

I rather see the see no spin from either side, but I'll accept spin over lies about the bill. Scaring the elderly with lies about end of life counseling is not spin for example, it's a lie.

783 Irish Rose  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 7:34:25am

re: #696 turn

Thanks, turn.

784 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 7:34:32am

re: #770 Walter L. Newton

Prepare for a ding-fest, Walter. Well said.

785 johnnyreb  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 7:34:43am

re: #757 justabill

Does anyone have documentation of Nazi symbols at these town halls. I'd love to see a photo. And I'd love to see info on who they find in the photo.

I know that the Rep party has more than its share of crazies, are they really that stupid? If such things have occured, they smell like false flag operations to me.

I have not seen any pictures of that or anyone hanging in effigy. It has been two days, if it was done there would be pictures all over CNN and MSNBC, they just aren't there.

786 acwgusa  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 7:34:59am

re: #777 laZardo

And that's what makes them so fun to hang around.

/mmm, flirting with danger

Danger? Dammit, who let Danger out of the caga again?!

787 SFGoth  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 7:35:12am

Just wanted to point out all the love I got yesterday at the S.F. Chronicle website for a comment critical of Congress. [Link: www.sfgate.com...]

(I use a slightly different name, but Lizards are smart enough to figure it out.)

788 albusteve  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 7:35:20am

I can't believe I'm hearing this...maximum intrusion and perfectly legal

[Link: www.washingtonexaminer.com...]

789 BlueCanuck  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 7:35:42am

re: #758 Kosh's Shadow

One of the first Adult science fiction series I read. About the only thing it changed in my thinking was not to join the armoured corp. :)

790 3 wood  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 7:35:44am

re: #720 turn

Good morning 3 wood. Do you know if there are any provisions in the legislation that would require beneficiaries to show proof of US citizenship?

I can;t find the section at the moment, but it uses language (I'm paraphrasing) about people legally in the country. Now, how they define that term, I'm not sure yet.

791 redstateredneck  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 7:36:17am

re: #766 avanti

I'm not familiar with that one, but if he was a Dem, or a Republican just asking a question and Steny got ticked, that's dead wrong.

Think it's this one.

792 acwgusa  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 7:36:32am

re: #781 redstateredneck

LOL! That reminds me of a conversation mrhightechredneck and I had not long ago. I was talking about how I looked forward to grandchildren and he said, "Grandkids! Hell, I didn't want the kids!"
He was just kidding...I think.

That's why you never ask men about our opinions. Your likely to get the unvarnished truth.

/That's a fight starter, full stop.

793 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 7:36:37am

re: #787 SFGoth

RubyRedSlippers had a pretty good response too.

794 acwgusa  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 7:37:01am

re: #786 acwgusa

Danger? Dammit, who let Danger out of the caga again?!


Caga? Cage, you lackwit typist.

795 albusteve  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 7:37:39am

re: #772 Irish Rose

Honestly, if you want to know her political ideology, why don't you ask her yourself? Pretty simple, really. I know ice quite well; she's an extremely decent person, and a very kind individual. If you take the time to get to know her you'll find this out for yourself.

She's clearly not afraid to defend herself when backed into a corner, however, and that's a quality that I have a lot of respect for.

there are other, equally valid points of view...

796 redstateredneck  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 7:37:51am

re: #775 Salamantis

Umm...maybe Howard Beale isn't our best role model? First, he was batguano crayzee, raving and wildly gesticulating before undergoing seizures and collapsing on the floor. Then, after Power spoke global Troof to him, he slavishly embraced the corporate suck and counseled submission to the inevitable.

LOL...a figure of speech!

797 apachegunner  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 7:37:56am

re: #772 Irish Rose

Honestly, if you want to know her political ideology, why don't you ask her yourself? Pretty simple, really. I know ice quite well; she's an extremely decent person, and a very kind individual. If you take the time to get to know her you'll find this out for yourself.

She's clearly not afraid to defend herself when backed into a corner, however, and that's a quality that I have a lot of respect for.

Irish, I believe what I said was quite different that what you read. I didn't call her anything bad, I called her "progressive" and that I thought she was quite intelligent. Do you think she'd argue or disagree with that? I like Ice, not her politics but her nature and intelligence. Gimme a break huh?

798 legalpad  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 7:38:14am

re: #738 Walter L. Newton

Maybe some conservatives took a part of the progressives playbook? The progressives spent a lot of time and energy disrupting conservative events before the election. Remember?

No, doesn't make it right, but, fight fire with fire. The progressives have lead the pack with nasty tactics, and I'm glad to see some conservative not backing down, being cowed into being quiet little sheep, which is exactly what the left is trying to do.

Shut us up, "calm" us down, tell us we are seething and raging and squabbling. Well, guess what, I am, I will and nothing you say (or any other progressive) will stop me.

Be prepared, it's going to be a rocky ride. Too bad, so sad. Beef up.

Well put. I know lot's of people that could make my avatar look like Mother Teresa, and none of them are Nazis. In fact, they hate Nazis. They are not going to go quietly into the night. Those silly "progressives." What were they thinking?

799 Irish Rose  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 7:38:16am

re: #712 HoosierHoops

Good morning Irish..
Very nice post yesterday...

Thanks, but you know me Hoops.
It drives me nuts to see someone being targeted, mobbed and bullied.

Unless of course, the target is a one-post wonder with an attitude and an agenda.

800 redstateredneck  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 7:38:45am

re: #780 KenJen

I was just doing some math. My dogs, in total, weigh more than I do. 5 dogs equal 280lbs. One Jen equals 130lbs.

As long as you don't piss them off, you should be okay.

801 BlueCanuck  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 7:39:13am

re: #799 Irish Rose

Thanks, but you know me Hoops.
It drives me nuts to see someone being targeted, mobbed and bullied.

Unless of course, the target is a one-post wonder with an attitude and an agenda.

Like our friend the good dr?

802 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 7:39:19am

re: #800 redstateredneck

As long as you don't piss them off, you should be okay.

heh... kenjenchow...

803 _RememberTonyC  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 7:39:48am

re: #757 justabill

Does anyone have documentation of Nazi symbols at these town halls. I'd love to see a photo. And I'd love to see info on who they find in the photo.

I know that the Rep party has more than its share of crazies, are they really that stupid? If such things have occured, they smell like false flag operations to me.


I think speaker blinky was refering to this: Image: scan7.jpg

she's lost a little bit off her fastball

804 albusteve  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 7:40:30am

re: #803 _RememberTonyC

I think speaker blinky was refering to this: [Link: www.calvin.edu...]

she's lost a little bit off her fastball

her curve is hanging

805 laZardo  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 7:40:36am

Headin' to bed. Cheers!

806 avanti  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 7:40:44am

re: #759 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I think that everyone wants some healthcare reform. I think that everybody also has a different definition of healthcare reform.

Me? Start with "tort".

Ain't gonna happen, so I'm pissed.

I'd love some tort reform in the health care bill myself.

807 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 7:41:20am

re: #801 BlueCanuck

Like our friend the good dr?

He comes in trying to start a fight. I find Ice to be very cordial (unless attacked).

I disagree with almost everything she says (other than the many, many times she has referred to me as "damn sexy"), but I like her very much.

808 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 7:41:45am

re: #807 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

He comes in trying to start a fight. I find Ice to be very cordial (unless attacked).

I disagree with almost everything she says (other than the many, many times she has referred to me as "damn sexy"), but I like her very much.

Her is a he.

809 Salamantis  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 7:41:51am

re: #799 Irish Rose

Thanks, but you know me Hoops.
It drives me nuts to see someone being targeted, mobbed and bullied.

Unless of course, the target is a one-post wonder with an attitude and an agenda.

I, too, have gotten tired of seeing Iceweasel gratuitously slagged. Avanti, too.

810 Pianobuff  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 7:42:03am

re: #803 _RememberTonyC

I think speaker blinky was refering to this: [Link: www.calvin.edu...]

she's lost a little bit off her fastball

Forbidden

You don't have permission to access /academic/cas/gpa/images/pt36/scan7.jpg on this server.

Additionally, a 404 Not Found error was encountered while trying to use an ErrorDocument to handle the request.
Apache/2.0.63 (Unix) mod_ssl/2.0.63 OpenSSL/0.9.7a DAV/2 PHP/5.2.8 mod_jk/1.2.26 Server at [Link: www.calvin.edu...] Port 80

811 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 7:42:13am

re: #808 Walter L. Newton

Her is a he.

DOH!

812 redstateredneck  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 7:42:51am

Gotta do some work.
>:-[
BBL, y'all!

813 Lincolntf  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 7:42:55am

Just curious about something. What do you think happens if someone really sends in a report to the Flag site. Or what did they intend to happen when they conceived and funded the site? I mean this seriously. I'm debating various options.

Do they read them all just to try to get a sense of the opposition for political reasons?
Do they actually contact the person who was "disinforming" people on the Internet?
Do they "target-market" the offender with e-mails. pro-Obama spam, etc.?

I'm really dying to know what they had in mind when they came up with this horror show of a surveillance program. Anyone know or have any guesses?

814 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 7:43:05am

re: #808 Walter L. Newton

Seriously? Ice is a dude?

Well, raise my rent.

815 apachegunner  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 7:44:03am

re: #782 avanti

I rather see the see no spin from either side, but I'll accept spin over lies about the bill. Scaring the elderly with lies about end of life counseling is not spin for example, it's a lie.


It appears that is what it says, ask 3Wood, he has been going over it line by line. I havn't read any of your interpretations of this rot.

816 3 wood  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 7:44:40am

re: #717 avanti

Many think the right is loony, with the tea parties and the rest, organized disruptions just reinforce it and the left will use it against the normal conservitves.

I would offer this for consideration.

When the left "organized" protests via ACORN and other groups last year I did not hear this concern for calm debate. In fact I remember someone named Obama encouraging it and saying that dissent was patriotic. But now that th e left is in power, it seems to be a different story.

Quite a few of these people showing up are actually Democrats according to their self identification, who are fed up already.

Just sayin...

817 Spenser (with an S)  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 7:45:22am

re: #803 _RememberTonyC

I think speaker blinky was refering to this: [Link: [Link: www.calvin.edu...]...]

she's lost a little bit off her fastball

What was this? This is the small college I graduated from. Can't access link.

818 Salamantis  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 7:45:24am

Some folks used to try to slag on me when I first showed up here.

That didn't last long...;~)

819 bloodnok  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 7:45:38am

re: #814 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Seriously? Ice is a dude?

Well, raise my rent.

No. Ice is a she.

820 Irish Rose  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 7:46:05am

re: #797 apachegunner

Irish, I believe what I said was quite different that what you read. I didn't call her anything bad, I called her "progressive" and that I thought she was quite intelligent. Do you think she'd argue or disagree with that? I like Ice, not her politics but her nature and intelligence. Gimme a break huh?

I'm sorry if I offended you with my comment, it was not my intention to do so.

821 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 7:46:16am

re: #813 Lincolntf

Just curious about something. What do you think happens if someone really sends in a report to the Flag site. Or what did they intend to happen when they conceived and funded the site? I mean this seriously. I'm debating various options.

Do they read them all just to try to get a sense of the opposition for political reasons?
Do they actually contact the person who was "disinforming" people on the Internet?
Do they "target-market" the offender with e-mails. pro-Obama spam, etc.?

I'm really dying to know what they had in mind when they came up with this horror show of a surveillance program. Anyone know or have any guesses?

Please, click on my name, go to my website, get my email address and then send them information that I am some sort of right wing idiot. Clip and paste some of my posts here. Please,. please, do that for me.

For a matter of fact, any Lizard that wants to do that (progressives, this is a golden opportunity), please, do it. Email them, tell them I am a crazy conservative, make something up, I don't care.

I need my 15 minutes of fame.

822 SFGoth  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 7:46:42am

re: #819 bloodnok

No. Ice is a she.

We're veering off into Monty Python territory here.

823 truth stick  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 7:46:55am

re: #655 lincolntf

It's amazing how quickly they resort to villification and extremist language whenever their position is questioned.
No matter what someone's politics are, the fear and loathing of debate being displayed by the Dems on health care should be an eye-opener.

When your plan is so flawed that you cannot defend it, just attack the opposition.

/Dem Think Off/

824 Spenser (with an S)  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 7:47:20am

re: #816 3 wood

In fact I remember someone named Obama encouraging it

From his very first job on upward to the POTUS. But it's bad now.

825 saberry0530  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 7:47:30am

re: #821 Walter L. Newton

Please, click on my name, go to my website, get my email address and then send them information that I am some sort of right wing idiot. Clip and paste some of my posts here. Please,. please, do that for me.

For a matter of fact, any Lizard that wants to do that (progressives, this is a golden opportunity), please, do it. Email them, tell them I am a crazy conservative, make something up, I don't care.

I need my 15 minutes of fame.

Just report yourself. I did.

826 apachegunner  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 7:47:51am

re: #808 Walter L. Newton

Her is a he.

no walt i think he is a her.

827 avanti  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 7:47:57am

re: #785 johnnyreb

I have not seen any pictures of that or anyone hanging in effigy. It has been two days, if it was done there would be pictures all over CNN and MSNBC, they just aren't there.

I saw it on the national news last night, and the left is using

it.

828 albusteve  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 7:48:02am

re: #813 Lincolntf

Just curious about something. What do you think happens if someone really sends in a report to the Flag site. Or what did they intend to happen when they conceived and funded the site? I mean this seriously. I'm debating various options.

Do they read them all just to try to get a sense of the opposition for political reasons?
Do they actually contact the person who was "disinforming" people on the Internet?
Do they "target-market" the offender with e-mails. pro-Obama spam, etc.?

I'm really dying to know what they had in mind when they came up with this horror show of a surveillance program. Anyone know or have any guesses?

IRS...unleash the Beast

829 SFGoth  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 7:48:08am

Time to get my east coast NFL training camp update. I love the Pacific time zone.

830 3 wood  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 7:48:21am

re: #759 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I think that everyone wants some healthcare reform. I think that everybody also has a different definition of healthcare reform.

Me? Start with "tort".

Agreed, plus I would like to see public posting pf prices for services and medications so we can price compare.

831 Pianobuff  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 7:48:34am

re: #821 Walter L. Newton

Please, click on my name, go to my website, get my email address and then send them information that I am some sort of right wing idiot. Clip and paste some of my posts here. Please,. please, do that for me.

For a matter of fact, any Lizard that wants to do that (progressives, this is a golden opportunity), please, do it. Email them, tell them I am a crazy conservative, make something up, I don't care.

I need my 15 minutes of fame.

Would you settle for a beer at the picnic table?

832 irongrampa  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 7:48:40am

re: #813 Lincolntf

I'd bet they'll make a compendium of all the replies, and use bits and pieces to portray the right as divisive,unhinged, etc.
I question the legality of retaining this info, is there anyone who can shed light on it?

833 apachegunner  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 7:49:32am

re: #820 Irish Rose

I'm sorry if I offended you with my comment, it was not my intention to do so.


s'ok, we agree Ice is a good person.

834 VioletTiger  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 7:49:47am

re: #816 3 wood

I would offer this for consideration.

When the left "organized" protests via ACORN and other groups last year I did not hear this concern for calm debate. In fact I remember someone named Obama encouraging it and saying that dissent was patriotic. But now that th e left is in power, it seems to be a different story.

Quite a few of these people showing up are actually Democrats according to their self identification, who are fed up already.

Just sayin...

Weren't they supposed to 'get in our faces'?
I remember that like it was yesterday...

835 BlueCanuck  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 7:50:11am

re: #827 avanti

I saw it on the national news last night, and the left is using

it.

Okay, just like they have hung many Republicans in effigy. Lot of outrage from the right over some of them. Especially the Hallowe'en hanging of a Palin effigy. How many times have we seen it done at protests with GWB or Cheney?

836 KenJen  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 7:50:22am

re: #816 3 wood

I would offer this for consideration.

When the left "organized" protests via ACORN and other groups last year I did not hear this concern for calm debate. In fact I remember someone named Obama encouraging it and saying that dissent was patriotic. But now that th e left is in power, it seems to be a different story.

Quite a few of these people showing up are actually Democrats according to their self identification, who are fed up already.

Just sayin...

Have you noticed how the MSM is calling "health protests". As in against health.

837 albusteve  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 7:50:24am

re: #832 irongrampa

I'd bet they'll make a compendium of all the replies, and use bits and pieces to portray the right as divisive,unhinged, etc.
I question the legality of retaining this info, is there anyone who can shed light on it?

[Link: www.washingtonexaminer.com...]

838 HoosierHoops  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 7:50:42am

re: #799 Irish Rose

Thanks, but you know me Hoops.
It drives me nuts to see someone being targeted, mobbed and bullied.

Unless of course, the target is a one-post wonder with an attitude and an agenda.

It's very nice to have such respectful posters here..We can examine all points of an issue without personal attacks...
I'll never forget what Charles said when he allowed Cog back on the board after a meltdown...'I like the edge he brings to the board'
Charles likes well rounded debate on the issues here.. Left, Center and Right.
90% of us are middle to right Conservatives on this blog..We are grownups in this world.. It's time some start acting like it...Idea's stand on their own..one need not cut the knees off in personal attacks on a liberal poster..
I'm glad Charles is standing up for ALL THE LIZARDS!
/Also...Remember that edge you thought Cog brought to the room?
Charles realized that it wasn't an edge..It was a K-Bar..:)

839 eschew_obfuscation  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 7:51:38am

re: #808 Walter L. Newton

Her is a he.

Don't think so Walter... check out Irish Rose's post at #772.

840 irongrampa  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 7:51:53am

re: #837 albusteve

Couldn't open the link. May be a problem with my computer?

841 Salamantis  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 7:51:58am

re: #832 irongrampa

I'd bet they'll make a compendium of all the replies, and use bits and pieces to portray the right as divisive,unhinged, etc.
I question the legality of retaining this info, is there anyone who can shed light on it?

I'll bet they use it to polish their oppo talking points. Find out what folks on the other side are criticizing, and how, and craft snappy counters.

/If you were HOPING they'd use them as guides for CHANGE, forget it!

842 johnnyreb  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 7:51:59am

re: #816 3 wood

I would offer this for consideration.

When the left "organized" protests via ACORN and other groups last year I did not hear this concern for calm debate. In fact I remember someone named Obama encouraging it and saying that dissent was patriotic. But now that th e left is in power, it seems to be a different story.

Quite a few of these people showing up are actually Democrats according to their self identification, who are fed up already.

Just sayin...


I got a robo call from AARP last night at 1800. Seems I was on the pre-approved list to talk to my rep about health care reform. I had no idea this meeting was happening. It was by invitation to AARP members only, and it was phone in only. There was no actual meeting just a private conference call. You were allowed one question ask with no followup. When I answered the phone I thought it was a tele-marketer due to the delay and I hung the phone up. As I was hanging the phone up my answering machine picked up the message. I never got to ask a question. Darn!

That is no way to hear from your constituents. I would bet $50 that AARP was censoring the questions.

843 avanti  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 7:52:45am

re: #815 apachegunner

It appears that is what it says, ask 3Wood, he has been going over it line by line. I havn't read any of your interpretations of this rot.

I've talked about end of life counseling before, but I'll do it again.
The bill will pay you to see your doctor if you like for end of life counseling starting at age 65, but only once every five years after. The coverage was asked for and endorsed by the AARP so that citizens can discuss possible hospice care, and the rest.

844 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 7:52:56am

re: #839 eschew_obfuscation

Don't think so Walter... check out Irish Rose's post at #772.

I've thought just recently Ice referred to itself as a "he." I guess it doesn't matter.

845 avanti  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 7:53:32am

re: #830 3 wood

Agreed, plus I would like to see public posting pf prices for services and medications so we can price compare.

Another good idea.

846 FrogMarch  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 7:53:32am

dang. gotta get to werk.

have a great day, everyone.

847 Pianobuff  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 7:53:32am

Does anybody remember protestors bringing protestors bringing a UNC event to a halt (complete with a broken window) because they disagreed with the politician's view on immigration?

Does anybody remember hearing loud cheering when a certain ex-President had to duck to avoid being hit by a footwear projectile?

Why the sudden aversion to vocal and visible dissent?

848 Kosh's Shadow  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 7:53:44am

re: #822 SFGoth

We're veering off into Monty Python territory here.

So, should we be fighting the Romans for iceweasel's right to have babies, or can iceweasel actually have them?
(No disrespect to iceweasel meant)

849 irongrampa  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 7:53:52am

re: #841 Salamantis

The only hope I have is that we'll survive the next 3.5 years in some recognizeable form.

850 albusteve  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 7:53:55am

some reform looming in Alaska...

[Link: www.miamiherald.com...]

851 3 wood  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 7:54:33am

re: #807 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I disagree with almost everything she says (other than the many, many times she has referred to me as "damn sexy"), but I like her very much.

Agreed.

852 aboo-Hoo-Hoo  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 7:55:37am

Doug Ross(Directorblue)re: #821 Walter L. Newton

Please, click on my name, go to my website, get my email address and then send them information that I am some sort of right wing idiot. Clip and paste some of my posts here. Please,. please, do that for me.

For a matter of fact, any Lizard that wants to do that (progressives, this is a golden opportunity), please, do it. Email them, tell them I am a crazy conservative, make something up, I don't care.

I need my 15 minutes of fame.

Walter, turn yourself in. Confess...your not a liberal and you do not go along with the Admin's programs/Obamacare.

853 irongrampa  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 7:55:39am

re: #847 Pianobuff

Cause the wrong party's protesting.

854 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 7:55:40am

re: #847 Pianobuff

Does anybody remember protestors bringing protestors bringing a UNC event to a halt (complete with a broken window) because they disagreed with the politician's view on immigration?

Does anybody remember hearing loud cheering when a certain ex-President had to duck to avoid being hit by a footwear projectile?

Why the sudden aversion to vocal and visible dissent?

Because it is standard part of the progressive playbook to vilify the other side, even when they are using the same tactic that you approve of. Obama said "get in their faces" but this doesn't count for conservatives, in matter like this health care.

855 Pianobuff  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 7:55:45am

re: #848 Kosh's Shadow

So, should we be fighting the Romans for iceweasel's right to have babies, or can iceweasel actually have them?
(No disrespect to iceweasel meant)

I'm having a flashback to a recurring SNL character named "Pat".

856 acwgusa  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 7:55:46am

re: #847 Pianobuff

Does anybody remember protestors bringing protestors bringing a UNC event to a halt (complete with a broken window) because they disagreed with the politician's view on immigration?

Does anybody remember hearing loud cheering when a certain ex-President had to duck to avoid being hit by a footwear projectile?

Why the sudden aversion to vocal and visible dissent?

Because the Democrats are in control, and they know what's good for you.

857 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 7:55:52am

Alan Colmes was saying the other night that the tort aspect of healthcare is way overblown. Was only considering pay-outs.

What percentage of MRI's, CAT scans, Xrays, and Lab work are tort CYA?

Dumb-ass.

858 Lincolntf  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 7:55:59am

re: #834 VioletTiger

Yup. Back when Obama was a "community organizer" protesting and "speaking truth to power"was the highest calling imaginable.
Today, whenever Americans want their voices to be heard they're just a racist mob.
Typical Lib double-standard garbage.

859 Spenser (with an S)  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 7:56:10am

re: #803 _RememberTonyC

Hi RememberTonyC, I really am curious about your link to Calvin college but it shows as "unauthorized". What was it? Good or bad? I graduated from there and live about 4 miles away.

860 Spider Mensch  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 7:57:20am

re: #814 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Seriously? Ice is a dude?

Well, raise my rent.


now that there is right damn funny...fbv was getting all red for a guy...lol..sorry I know I'm being mean..but that is funny...lol

hey if i call you "damn sexy"..will you like me too?? you know..in that way?? wink wink..not that there's anything wrong with that.. mwahahahaha!!!

861 apachegunner  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 7:57:30am

re: #843 avanti

I've talked about end of life counseling before, but I'll do it again.
The bill will pay you to see your doctor if you like for end of life counseling starting at age 65, but only once every five years after. The coverage was asked for and endorsed by the AARP so that citizens can discuss possible hospice care, and the rest.


yes and I see the AARP is becoming quite unpopular with their members, many are burning their cards. The AARP is in the game for money and politics, not for the aged.

862 VioletTiger  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 7:57:40am

You may have seen the add that the DNC put together that is the visual to that nasty, lying letter posted above claiming that the health care protests are astro turf. It does include a clip of the bozy waiving her birth certificate at a congressman. Not that we needed any proof that Charles was right about the harm these idiots are doing, but there it is.
Thanks a lot nirthers.

863 Pianobuff  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 7:57:42am

re: #854 Walter L. Newton

Because it is standard part of the progressive playbook to vilify the other side, even when they are using the same tactic that you approve of. Obama said "get in their faces" but this doesn't count for conservatives, in matter like this health care.

Ahhh... that must also explain why The Joker became a racial dog whistle in the last 12 months too. Am I catching on?

864 3 wood  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 7:57:56am

re: #821 Walter L. Newton

I need my 15 minutes of fame.

Heck with the fame, I'll take the money for the violation of my rights to free speech.

865 albusteve  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 7:57:56am

re: #840 irongrampa

Couldn't open the link. May be a problem with my computer?

hmmm...posted upthread as well...I get a 404...you can find it at Breitbart

866 Irish Rose  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 7:58:05am

I'm always pleased to see someone with more progressive ideas on board here at LGF, because I think that they add a lot to the debate. And I'm glad to see that Charles think so, too.

If they're decent folks who respect Charles, respect this site, treat others with dignity and know how to express their ideas in a courteous and respectful manner, then in my opinion they're more than welcome.

And honestly, think about it... what kind of place would this be, if we all shared the same religious/moral/ethical/political ideologies?

Pretty damned dull, if you ask me.

867 KenJen  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 7:58:29am

re: #843 avanti

I've talked about end of life counseling before, but I'll do it again.
The bill will pay you to see your doctor if you like for end of life counseling starting at age 65, but only once every five years after. The coverage was asked for and endorsed by the AARP so that citizens can discuss possible hospice care, and the rest.

I get that. What I don't get is why taxpayers should foot the bill for this.

868 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 7:58:32am

re: #843 avanti

Avanti, why are the progressive complaining about the conservatives that are showing up at certain events and protesting the Obama health care bill? I'm curious.

869 SixDegrees  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 7:59:00am

re: #641 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

hey! Just forwarded to me... From the DNC!

Dear Friend,

Rep. Kratovil hanged in effigy There's been a lot of media coverage about organized mobs intimidating lawmakers, disrupting town halls, and silencing real discussion about the need for real health insurance reform.

The truth is, it's a sham. These "grassroots protests" are being organized and largely paid for by Washington special interests and insurance companies who are desperate to block reform. They're trying to use lies and fear to break the President and his agenda for change.

Health insurance reform is about our lives, our jobs, and our families -- we can't let distortions and intimidation get in the way. We need to expose these outrageous tactics, and we're counting on you to help. Can you read these "5 facts about the anti-reform mobs," then pass them along to your friends and family?

5 facts about the anti-reform mobs

1. These disruptions are being funded and organized by out-of-district special-interest groups and insurance companies who fear that health insurance reform could help Americans, but hurt their bottom line. A group run by the same folks who made the "Swiftboat" ads against John Kerry is compiling a list of congressional events in August to disrupt. An insurance company coalition has stationed employees in 30 states to track where local lawmakers hold town-hall meetings.

2. People are scared because they are being fed frightening lies. These crowds are being riled up by anti-reform lies being spread by industry front groups that invent smears to tarnish the President's plan and scare voters. But as the President has repeatedly said, health insurance reform will create more health care choices for the American people, not reduce them. If you like your insurance or your doctor, you can keep them, and there is no "government takeover" in any part of any plan supported by the President or Congress.

3. Their actions are getting more extreme. Texas protesters brought signs displaying a tombstone for Rep. Lloyd Doggett and using the "SS" symbol to compare President Obama's policies to Nazism. Maryland Rep. Frank Kratovil was hanged in effigy outside his district office. Rep. Tim Bishop of New York had to be escorted to his car by police after an angry few disrupted his town hall meeting -- and more examples like this come in every day. And they have gone beyond just trying to derail the President's health insurance reform plans, they are trying to "break" the President himself and ruin his Presidency.

4. Their goal is to disrupt and shut down legitimate conversation. Protesters have routinely shouted down representatives trying to engage in constructive dialogue with voters, and done everything they can to intimidate and silence regular people who just want more information. One attack group has even published a manual instructing protesters to "stand up and shout" and try to "rattle" lawmakers to prevent them from talking peacefully with their constituents.

5. Republican leadership is irresponsibly cheering on the thuggish crowds. Republican House Minority Leader John Boehner issued a statement applauding and promoting a video of the disruptions and looking forward to "a long, hot August for Democrats in Congress."

It's time to expose this charade, before it gets more dangerous. Please send these facts to everyone you know. You can also post them on your website, blog, or Facebook page.

Now, more than ever, we need to stand strong together and defend the truth.

Thanks,

Jen

Jen O'Malley Dillon
Executive Director
Democratic National Committee

Can we talk about the eight years worth of Republicans being shouted off stages, having microphones commandeered, and pieings that all took place without once being decried by the Democrats? Cry me a fucking river.

870 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 7:59:05am

Later guys!

871 FurryOldGuyJeans  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 7:59:09am

re: #857 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Alan Colmes was saying the other night that the tort aspect of healthcare is way overblown. Was only considering pay-outs.

What percentage of MRI's, CAT scans, Xrays, and Lab work are tort CYA?

Dumb-ass.

Please don't forget the high premiums providers have to pay for malpractice insurance so as to appease the ambulance chasers. Just like health insurance increased/increases costs, malpractice insurance just streamlined the shakedown process making it more lucrative to sue.

872 apachegunner  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 7:59:30am

re: #854 Walter L. Newton

Because it is standard part of the progressive playbook to vilify the other side, even when they are using the same tactic that you approve of. Obama said "get in their faces" but this doesn't count for conservatives, in matter like this health care.


thats pure Alinsky

873 Irish Rose  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 7:59:38am

re: #838 HoosierHoops

Very well stated, Hoops.

874 acwgusa  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 7:59:53am

re: #866 Irish Rose

I'm always pleased to see someone with more progressive ideas on board here at LGF, because I think that they add a lot to the debate. And I'm glad to see that Charles think so, too.

If they're decent folks who respect Charles, respect this site, treat others with dignity and know how to express their ideas in a courteous and respectful manner, then in my opinion they're more than welcome.

And honestly, think about it... what kind of place would this be, if we all shared the same religious/moral/ethical/political ideologies?

Pretty damned dull, if you ask me.

Progressive ideas are fine, but refusal to see governmental power grabs for what they are not a progressive idea.

875 HoosierHoops  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 8:00:10am

re: #844 Walter L. Newton

I've thought just recently Ice referred to itself as a "he." I guess it doesn't matter.

Trust me on this one...I'm still trying to figure out if the topless photo's of her on the Spanish Rivera are photoshopped...
/I owed you that one Ice from the locker room photo exchange...*wink*

876 albusteve  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 8:00:11am

secret list...


[Link: www.washingtonexaminer.com...]

877 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 8:01:02am

re: #872 apachegunner

thats pure Alinsky

And that's why I am telling ALL CONSERVATIVES, crazy or not, don't shut up. That's what they want you to do. The crazy will shake out, and valid fact filled positions will win.

878 albusteve  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 8:01:41am

re: #876 albusteve

secret list...

[Link: www.washingtonexaminer.com...]

won't link...oh well

879 VioletTiger  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 8:01:45am

re: #869 SixDegrees

I wonder if we could put together a montage of video clips of all of that, along with Obama saying 'get in their faces'.

...I think I have my rainy day project for the weekend.

880 Mad Al-Jaffee  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 8:02:02am

How come there's been no discussion about the most important story in the recent news? - Paula Abdul is leaving American Idol!!!

881 acwgusa  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 8:02:21am

re: #877 Walter L. Newton

And that's why I am telling ALL CONSERVATIVES, crazy or not, don't shut up. That's what they want you to do. The crazy will shake out, and valid fact filled positions will win.

Better start shaking then, we seem to have a LOT of crazy. And the crazy is vocal, too.

882 reloadingisnotahobby  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 8:02:24am

re: #859 Spenser (with an S)

Hi RememberTonyC, I really am curious about your link to Calvin college but it shows as "unauthorized". What was it? Good or bad? I graduated from there and live about 4 miles away.

Are you refering to Calvin College in Grand Rapids?
My mother and father met there!
1946 when dad took advatage of his Vet Bill...
He and two other sailors went in for dinner...Each one pointed out the girl they would ask on a date!
All three married the girl they picked!
And still are!
My folks have been married 61 years...

883 apachegunner  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 8:02:28am

re: #877 Walter L. Newton

And that's why I am telling ALL CONSERVATIVES, crazy or not, don't shut up. That's what they want you to do. The crazy will shake out, and valid fact filled positions will win.

I'm wit ya on this Walt.

884 justabill  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 8:02:37am

re: #854 Walter L. Newton

Because it is standard part of the progressive playbook to vilify the other side, even when they are using the same tactic that you approve of. Obama said "get in their faces" but this doesn't count for conservatives, in matter like this health care.

We need a montage, old Obama/new Obama, add in some old/new Pelosi for fun.

885 Kosh's Shadow  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 8:02:49am

re: #855 Pianobuff

I'm having a flashback to a recurring SNL character named "Pat".

I had that at another job.
A new employee started, even larger than "Pat", and with long hair (common for both genders in the software industry).
The person was introduced as a name that sounded like "Don".
Fortunately, I never used a pronoun because later, she was referred to as "she"; her name was Dawn.
I didn't get embarrassed, fortunately, as I had said nothing gender-specific.

886 Pianobuff  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 8:03:06am

re: #869 SixDegrees

And after Queen Nancy's accusations of astro-turfing, the DNC has already pushed out the following to party faithful:


Friend –

I wanted to send you an urgent invitation to an important Town Hall with Sen. Jeanne Shaheen on Thursday morning. She’ll be talking to constituents and gathering feedback — this is an ideal opportunity to make sure your support of health insurance reform is seen and heard at exactly the right time to make a huge difference.

Our congressional representatives are back home this month, and they’re facing more and more pressure from special interests on health insurance reform. It’s critical that we get out there and show them where we stand.

I hope you can join us.

What: Health Care Town Hall with
Sen. Jeanne Shaheen

Where: Grafton Town Hall
E Grafton Rd.
Grafton, NH 03240

When: Thursday, August 6th
10:00 a.m. - 12:00 p.m.

RSVP

Our representatives are under attack by Washington insiders, insurance companies, and well-financed special interests who don’t go a day without spreading lies and stirring up fear. We need to show that we’re sick and tired of it, and that we’re ready for real change, this year.

Please come to the Town Hall, and make sure that the most powerful voices in this debate are those calling for real reform, not angrily clamoring for the status quo.

RSVP here:

[Link: nh.barackobama.com...]

Thanks,

Tim

Tim Arsenault
New Hampshire Field Director
Organizing for America

P.S. — Before the event, please print off a flyer to display and make sure that your support is visible.

887 Kosh's Shadow  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 8:03:20am

re: #861 apachegunner

yes and I see the AARP is becoming quite unpopular with their members, many are burning their cards. The AARP is in the game for money and politics, not for the aged.

Besides, I get spam from them.

888 irongrampa  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 8:03:20am

re: #869 SixDegrees

No, we can't.

Doesn't fit the current narrative.

889 Salamantis  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 8:03:47am

re: #866 Irish Rose

I'm always pleased to see someone with more progressive ideas on board here at LGF, because I think that they add a lot to the debate. And I'm glad to see that Charles think so, too.

If they're decent folks who respect Charles, respect this site, treat others with dignity and know how to express their ideas in a courteous and respectful manner, then in my opinion they're more than welcome.

And honestly, think about it... what kind of place would this be, if we all shared the same religious/moral/ethical/political ideologies?

Pretty damned dull, if you ask me.

Some folks might consider it to be echo chamber Heaven, but I wouldn't wanna spend an eternity in such a place. In fact, it likely wouldn't take long for it to start feeling like an eternity to me...;~)

890 avanti  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 8:04:04am

re: #861 apachegunner

yes and I see the AARP is becoming quite unpopular with their members, many are burning their cards. The AARP is in the game for money and politics, not for the aged.

I don't know if it's many, but certainly some. It follows that there are some seniors that oppose health care reform, but it would not be in the AARP's self interest to not support the majority of seniors wishes.

891 acwgusa  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 8:04:17am

re: #887 Kosh's Shadow

Besides, I get spam from them.

So do I, and I just hit 31.

892 justabill  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 8:05:27am

re: #879 VioletTiger

I wonder if we could put together a montage of video clips of all of that, along with Obama saying 'get in their faces'.

...I think I have my rainy day project for the weekend.

You beat me too it. GMTA.

893 Irish Rose  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 8:05:58am

re: #881 acwgusa

Better start shaking then, we seem to have a LOT of crazy. And the crazy is vocal, too.

And you ain't just whistlin' Dixie ;).

894 HoosierHoops  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 8:06:09am

re: #880 Mad Al-Jaffee

How come there's been no discussion about the most important story in the recent news? - Paula Abdul is leaving American Idol!!!

Do you blame her? 10 million bucks a year for 8 hrs of work a week..
What a rip-off!
Let's see where Paula ends up after being on the most popular TV show of all time...I hope her new agent just didn't buy a new house in Beverly Hills

895 3 wood  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 8:06:16am

re: #847 Pianobuff

Why the sudden aversion to vocal and visible dissent?

Cause the Democrats are now in control and dissent makes you an enemy of the State.

So far, the ACLU seems amazingly quiet on the topic.

896 FurryOldGuyJeans  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 8:06:17am

re: #878 albusteve

won't link...oh well

They don't allow redirects, the link does work. Dirty rotten techy nerds! ;)

897 Spenser (with an S)  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 8:07:22am

re: #882 reloadingisnotahobby

re: #859 Spenser (with an S)

Hi RememberTonyC, I really am curious about your link to Calvin college but it shows as "unauthorized". What was it? Good or bad? I graduated from there and live about 4 miles away.

Are you refering to Calvin College in Grand Rapids?
My mother and father met there!
1946 when dad took advatage of his Vet Bill...
He and two other sailors went in for dinner...Each one pointed out the girl they would ask on a date!
All three married the girl they picked!
And still are!
My folks have been married 61 years...

Yes, that's the one! What a great story your parents have. It's still a high-quality Christian school. Even took a bit of heat a few years ago for their bio and astronomy profs stating the obvious (the earth is very, very old). Same liberal nuts as most colleges, but the alumn are solid.

898 albusteve  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 8:07:35am

re: #896 FurryOldGuyJeans

They don't allow redirects, the link does work. Dirty rotten techy nerds! ;)

it's a conspiracy

899 FurryOldGuyJeans  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 8:07:49am

re: #895 3 wood

Cause the Democrats are now in control and dissent makes you an enemy of the State.

So far, the ACLU seems amazingly quiet on the topic.

I don't find it amazing one whit they are silent, at times they were/are at the forefront of Statistism advocacy.

900 Irish Rose  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 8:08:27am

re: #889 Salamantis

Some folks might consider it to be echo chamber Heaven, but I wouldn't wanna spend an eternity in such a place. In fact, it likely wouldn't take long for it to start feeling like an eternity to me...;~)

That's exactly how I feel, after about five seconds taking screenshots over at Deuce.

901 VioletTiger  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 8:10:01am

re: #886 Pianobuff

And after Queen Nancy's accusations of astro-turfing, the DNC has already pushed out the following to party faithful:


Wow. They are doing everything they can to get the most favorable crowd.
The polls are against them. It's going to be an uphill swim.
I just hope people see through all of their lies.

902 SecondComing  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 8:10:06am

Watch this, you're gonna love my nuts.

903 FurryOldGuyJeans  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 8:10:19am

re: #887 Kosh's Shadow

Besides, I get spam from them.

Save it so you can eat it when the inflation really kicks in.

Oh, not that time of spam. Dang.

904 KenJen  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 8:10:22am

re: #894 HoosierHoops

Do you blame her? 10 million bucks a year for 8 hrs of work a week..
What a rip-off!
Let's see where Paula ends up after being on the most popular TV show of all time...I hope her new agent just didn't buy a new house in Beverly Hills

I hope she doesn't start "singing" again.

905 SixDegrees  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 8:10:34am

re: #894 HoosierHoops

Do you blame her? 10 million bucks a year for 8 hrs of work a week..
What a rip-off!
Let's see where Paula ends up after being on the most popular TV show of all time...I hope her new agent just didn't buy a new house in Beverly Hills

The Vicodin people must be mourning the loss of all that free advertising she provided.

906 reloadingisnotahobby  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 8:10:41am

re: #897 Spenser (with an S)

That's too cool!
My mother was allready a Freshman on her 16th Birthday!
Wow! How'd that part of the gene miss me!LOL
My brother went there (1.5 years older) Heard about the crappy winters so whem they offered to send me there I passed!
Went to college in Calif...
Bro still lives in Grand Rapids!

907 VioletTiger  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 8:11:19am

re: #892 justabill

You beat me too it. GMTA.

I'll post links to anything I find.

908 FurryOldGuyJeans  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 8:11:22am

re: #901 VioletTiger

Wow. They are doing everything they can to get the most favorable crowd.
The polls are against them. It's going to be an uphill swim.
I just hope people see through all of their lies.

The VRWC meme worked so well when Clinton was in office, why not revive the classic that worked?

909 albusteve  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 8:11:26am

dissident database

[Link: www.powerlineblog.com...]

910 3 wood  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 8:11:55am

re: #886 Pianobuff

So, it's OK when the left organizes for a town hall meeting, but not the Right.

Am I getting that straight?

911 avanti  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 8:12:08am

re: #854 Walter L. Newton

Because it is standard part of the progressive playbook to vilify the other side, even when they are using the same tactic that you approve of. Obama said "get in their faces" but this doesn't count for conservatives, in matter like this health care.

Here's the "get in their faces clip", if you want to use it..

912 Lincolntf  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 8:12:52am

re: #899 FurryOldGuyJeans

Up in MA, the longtime head of the ACLU (Madnick, I think) used to show up in the paper with a lengthy quote/predictions of legal action, etc. for every single story that the Lib press could possibly present as being in the realm of free speech.
For every "conservative" story he'd simply say that it wasn't their role to comment because they hadn't been contacted about the issue. It was hilarious when he'd end up in the same day's issue of the paper saying the two opposite things.

913 HoosierHoops  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 8:13:34am

re: #904 KenJen

I hope she doesn't start "singing" again.

I was hanging on the beach in Hawaii in 1991 when Paula and a few body guards..( I think) Walked down the beach...My Lord...What a beautiful woman..
She was stunning in a bikini...

914 FurryOldGuyJeans  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 8:13:47am

re: #910 3 wood

So, it's OK when the left organizes for a town hall meeting, but not the Right.

Am I getting that straight?

I'm surprised you have to ask. That is straight out of the Socialist/Anarchist handbook.

915 SixDegrees  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 8:14:08am

re: #910 3 wood

So, it's OK when the left organizes for a town hall meeting, but not the Right.

Am I getting that straight?

Your re-edcuation is progressing well, comrade.

916 lawhawk  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 8:14:29am

re: #905 SixDegrees


They've got Greg House as a fallback.

917 Learned Mother of Zion  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 8:14:48am

re: #693 FrogMarch

Speaking of which - Hamas certainly partakes in the alternative lifestyle.
Sick.

Not to be a buzzkill or a "Hamas lover" or anything, but The Learned Elder of Ziyon has claimed that the little girls are stand-ins for the "real brides" who must be hidden away and not seen.

Hamas is nothing if not media savvy and it's hard to believe they would orchestrate a mass event like this if they really intended to rape the little girls.

918 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 8:15:05am

re: #911 avanti

Avanti, why are the progressive complaining about the conservatives that are showing up at certain events and protesting the Obama health care bill? I'm curious.

919 FurryOldGuyJeans  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 8:15:21am

re: #915 SixDegrees

Your re-edcuation is progressing well, comrade.

I bet he will enjoy the bill he gets for his re-education.

920 albusteve  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 8:16:03am

re: #918 Walter L. Newton

Avanti, why are the progressive complaining about the conservatives that are showing up at certain events and protesting the Obama health care bill? I'm curious.

Image: brownbrickwall_tileable.jpg

921 SixDegrees  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 8:16:03am

re: #916 lawhawk

They've got Greg House as a fallback.

True. No rack, though.

922 Irish Rose  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 8:16:07am

re: #854 Walter L. Newton

Because it is standard part of the progressive playbook to vilify the other side,

Respectfully Walter, I visit quite a few conservative blogs on a daily basis. And I see the right wing of the Republican party doing this very same thing, 24/7.

923 3 wood  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 8:16:17am

re: #914 FurryOldGuyJeans

I'm surprised you have to ask. That is straight out of the Socialist/Anarchist handbook.

I'm just driving a tack with a sledgehammer.

924 Salamantis  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 8:16:30am

re: #914 FurryOldGuyJeans

I'm surprised you have to ask. That is straight out of the Socialist/Anarchist handbook.

From Gramski's mouth to Alinsky's ears.

925 albusteve  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 8:17:10am

re: #922 Irish Rose

re: #854 Walter L. Newton

Respectfully Walter, I visit quite a few conservative blogs on a daily basis. And I see the right wing of the Republican party doing this very same thing, 24/7.

it's called payback...all's fair

926 Spenser (with an S)  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 8:17:32am

re: #906 reloadingisnotahobby

Well, you were correct about the winters, as I'm sure you know. Is your bro lizard-like in his thinking? We love it as a smallish city that has big city benefits (health centers, entertainment, etc.) due to the 3 billionaires that have been very generous to their hometown.

927 FurryOldGuyJeans  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 8:17:38am

re: #918 Walter L. Newton

Avanti, why are the progressive complaining about the conservatives that are showing up at certain events and protesting the Obama health care bill? I'm curious.

I'm just repeating what you say, Walter, so it makes it hard for the man to ignore the question. I too am curious about the reasons.

Avanti, why are the progressive complaining about the conservatives that are showing up at certain events and protesting the Obama health care bill? I'm curious.

928 lawhawk  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 8:17:47am

Ouch. Down goes Twitter. Down goes Twitter.

The service has an outage, and no word on return to operational service.

929 FurryOldGuyJeans  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 8:18:13am

re: #923 3 wood

I'm just driving a tack with a sledgehammer.

Trying to open an envelope with a nuke, eh?

930 Pianobuff  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 8:18:21am

re: #901 VioletTiger

Wow. They are doing everything they can to get the most favorable crowd.
The polls are against them. It's going to be an uphill swim.
I just hope people see through all of their lies.

This is certainly the most "desperate" I've seen the Obama machine and it's an unsavory sight. Since this is a "new look" I wonder if the media will cover this with their customary lips-on-buttocks style or whether they may use this as an opportunity to knock the mask down a little bit. 6Degrees had an interesting post on this earlier in the thread.

931 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 8:18:33am

re: #922 Irish Rose

re: #854 Walter L. Newton

Respectfully Walter, I visit quite a few conservative blogs on a daily basis. And I see the right wing of the Republican party doing this very same thing, 24/7.

Good news, and I hope they keep it up. Progressives take no prisoners when it comes to "shouting down" the people that don't agree with them.

932 aboo-Hoo-Hoo  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 8:18:42am

Doug Ross(Directorblue) published a list a few days ago complied by Law Professor Matthew Staver: Democrat Government Care Plan Details

If you have a copy of the ObamaCare©(pdf warning) it is certainly a handy guide, excerpt:

Pg 22 of the HC Bill MANDATES the Government will audit the books of ALL EMPLOYERS that self insure!

Pg 29 lines 4-16 in the HC Bill - YOUR HEALTH CARE IS RATIONED!!

Pg 30 Sec 123 of HC Bill - THERE WILL BE A GOVERNMENT COMMITTEE that decides what treatments/benefits you get

Pg 42 of HC Bill - The Health Choices Commissioner will choose your benefits for you. You have no choice!

Pg 50 Section 152 in HC Bill - HC will be provided to ALL non-U.S. citizens, illegal or otherwise

Pg 58 HC Bill – Government will have real-time access to individual’s finances and a National ID Health Care Card will be issued!

YOU HAVE ALL BEEN REPORTED!!! ;)

933 Lincolntf  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 8:18:43am

re: #928 lawhawk

Too much "disinformation" about health care I presume.

934 KenJen  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 8:18:46am

This should be the new Hoverround commercial. Check out 45 seconds in. This is from Tuesday in Louisville.

935 albusteve  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 8:18:57am

re: #926 Spenser (with an S)

Well, you were correct about the winters, as I'm sure you know. Is your bro lizard-like in his thinking? We love it as a smallish city that has big city benefits (health centers, entertainment, etc.) due to the 3 billionaires that have been very generous to their hometown.

my daughter loves GR...she attended GVSC...fine town

936 esch  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 8:19:17am

re: #910 3 wood

So, it's OK when the left organizes for a town hall meeting, but not the Right.

Am I getting that straight?

Only the morally righteous true believers are allowed to organize and express anger. The oppressive bourgeoisie need to sit down and shut up.

937 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 8:19:30am

re: #925 albusteve

it's called payback...all's fair

No shit. And that's good news. I don't want quiet conservatives.

938 Irish Rose  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 8:19:31am

re: #925 albusteve

it's called payback...all's fair

Nope, it's called "driving respectful (and effective) political discourse to the sewers, and keeping it there".

939 eschew_obfuscation  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 8:19:33am

re: #909 albusteve

dissident database

[Link: www.powerlineblog.com...]

I'm pretty sure we'll be hearing screaming from the direction of the ACLU in just a few minutes...
//

940 SixDegrees  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 8:19:50am

re: #919 FurryOldGuyJeans

I bet he will enjoy the bill he gets for his re-education.

Faithful party members are rewarded according to their needs, in return for contributing to the best of their ability.

941 FurryOldGuyJeans  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 8:19:55am

re: #930 Pianobuff

This is certainly the most "desperate" I've seen the Obama machine and it's an unsavory sight. Since this is a "new look" I wonder if the media will cover this with their customary lips-on-buttocks style or whether they may use this as an opportunity to knock the mask down a little bit. 6Degrees had an interesting post on this earlier in the thread.

This is and was SOP during the campaign, so why not use what worked then. Too bad OMO is running the country, not just an election campaign.

942 Irish Rose  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 8:21:02am

re: #931 Walter L. Newton

Good news, and I hope they keep it up. Progressives take no prisoners when it comes to "shouting down" the people that don't agree with them.

Apples for oranges?

943 avanti  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 8:22:31am

re: #901 VioletTiger

Wow. They are doing everything they can to get the most favorable crowd.
The polls are against them. It's going to be an uphill swim.
I just hope people see through all of their lies.

They are trying to get supporters out so that they can counter the rights effort to pack the events with screamers. Many of the town hall are models of civil discourse, but the ones with the shouting down make the news.
IMHO, the Dems should let them have at it, it's only a matter of time before someone goes far enough off the rails for them to use it. Just as Palin leaned to cool the "pals around with terrorists" line when the Secret Service spoke up, the left needs another sound bite about health care and the SS and effigy stuff is just a start..

944 albusteve  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 8:22:35am

re: #938 Irish Rose

Nope, it's called "driving respectful (and effective) political discourse to the sewers, and keeping it there".

sounds fairly accusatory and aggressive...that's cool

945 ladycatnip  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 8:23:12am

Pelosi accuses town hall protesters of carrying swastikas.

So typical of this administration and of the leftists - demonize anyone who disagrees.

946 SixDegrees  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 8:24:43am

re: #945 ladycatnip

Pelosi accuses town hall protesters of carrying swastikas.

So typical of this administration and of the leftists - demonize anyone who disagrees.

You mean she's upset that protesters are making comparisons between the Administration and Hitler? Gosh, that would be the first time ever that anyone has ever done that wouldn't it?

947 Pianobuff  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 8:25:11am

re: #943 avanti

They are trying to get supporters out so that they can counter the rights effort to pack the events with screamers. Many of the town hall are models of civil discourse, but the ones with the shouting down make the news.
IMHO, the Dems should let them have at it, it's only a matter of time before someone goes far enough off the rails for them to use it. Just as Palin leaned to cool the "pals around with terrorists" line when the Secret Service spoke up, the left needs another sound bite about health care and the SS and effigy stuff is just a start..

You keep repeating this line about "the right's effort" but there are Dems speaking up at those meetings too, so I'm not sure if that strategy would work.

948 Truth Stick  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 8:25:50am

re: #921 SixDegrees

True. No rack, though.


well maybe we could get Cuddy in a package deal with House then

949 FurryOldGuyJeans  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 8:26:30am

Clinton suggests US could join war crimes court
Aug 6, 6:03 AM (ET)

NAIROBI, Kenya (AP) - U.S. Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton says it is a "great regret" that the United States is not a member of the International Criminal Court.

950 eschew_obfuscation  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 8:26:32am

Does anyone have any evidence that the "Right" is packing democrat congressmen's town hall meetings with screamers?

So far, all I've seen is unsubstantiated allegations. Let's have some names. Who, specifically is organizing these 'screamers' (names and evidence).

I'm not suggesting that it can't be happening, but I want some proof.

951 Spenser (with an S)  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 8:26:58am

re: #938 Irish Rose

re: #925 albusteve

it's called payback...all's fair

Nope, it's called "driving respectful (and effective) political discourse to the sewers, and keeping it there".

It doesn't have to be one or the other. How about loud, but not personally attacking? Engaged, but not with blinders on? Not putting up with crap, but not joining them in the sewer?

952 Lincolntf  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 8:27:51am

re: #931 Walter L. Newton

It doesn't bother me a bit for people to give their Congresscritters a tongue-lashing every once in a while. And I'm hoping conservatives finally exercise that right.
That said, I'm not willing to concede that the Health Care protesters and the Acorn types are analogous. The Health Care people are largely yelling because their Rep's are flat-out refusing to answer their questions. You'll note that most of the disruptions come when the speaker says something about having to move fast, not having read the bill, refusing to explain specific sections, etc. In short, the HC protesters are trying to get information.
The Acorn protesters had a different goal: disruption.
They wanted to halt speech, the H.C. folks want to hear speech. Big difference in my book.

953 Salamantis  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 8:29:40am

re: #938 Irish Rose

Nope, it's called "driving respectful (and effective) political discourse to the sewers, and keeping it there".

When WE start doing it, we lose all moral standing to non-hypocritically bitch and moan about THEM doing it.

954 FurryOldGuyJeans  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 8:29:40am

re: #943 avanti

Manufacture a "crisis", then mount a hugely coordinated effort to combat that crisis by intimidation and disruption.

I see you consider dissent no longer patriotic.

955 Irish Rose  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 8:30:38am

I'm not saying that left-leaning progressives are right.

I AM saying that far too many right-wing conservatives are using the same type of demonizing political discourse as the left, while simultaneously complaining about it when the left demonizes them. Does that make sense to you?

The extreme wings of both parties are directly responsible for the political polarization that we have in this country. Until both sides start treating each other with respect, stop demonizing each other and start working together to solve the problems that we face as Americans, nothing is going to change.

My two cents.

956 JohnnyReb  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 8:31:12am

re: #950 eschew_obfuscation

Does anyone have any evidence that the "Right" is packing democrat congressmen's town hall meetings with screamers?

So far, all I've seen is unsubstantiated allegations. Let's have some names. Who, specifically is organizing these 'screamers' (names and evidence).

I'm not suggesting that it can't be happening, but I want some proof.

I would just like a link or two with the guys carrying Nazi stuff and hanging these effigies. I said it before, it's been two days and I have not seen any news source with pictures or videos of these events.

someone tried to post a .edu link above that had something but it was broken.

957 albusteve  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 8:32:15am

re: #951 Spenser (with an S)

It doesn't have to be one or the other. How about loud, but not personally attacking? Engaged, but not with blinders on? Not putting up with crap, but not joining them in the sewer?

the people are wielding their clue by four and they should...this is what happens when they are lied to and beaten down by their reps...if the donks want civility maybe they should show some legislative respect...as for myself I'm a revolting peasant and I don't answer to anybody

958 Pianobuff  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 8:33:01am

re: #952 Lincolntf

It doesn't bother me a bit for people to give their Congresscritters a tongue-lashing every once in a while. And I'm hoping conservatives finally exercise that right.
That said, I'm not willing to concede that the Health Care protesters and the Acorn types are analogous. The Health Care people are largely yelling because their Rep's are flat-out refusing to answer their questions. You'll note that most of the disruptions come when the speaker says something about having to move fast, not having read the bill, refusing to explain specific sections, etc. In short, the HC protesters are trying to get information.
The Acorn protesters had a different goal: disruption.
They wanted to halt speech, the H.C. folks want to hear speech. Big difference in my book.

I remember seeing the Specter/Sibelius video where he talked about splitting the bill up and folks reading a piece because things need to move so fast. It ought to have been embarrassing moment but Sibelius had a puss on that was screaming "You're not worthy of my time you low-rent whiners".

I had never really imagined a time in political history where our most outrageous request is to have legislators actually read the laws that they are passing.

959 Pianobuff  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 8:34:21am

re: #956 JohnnyReb

I would just like a link or two with the guys carrying Nazi stuff and hanging these effigies. I said it before, it's been two days and I have not seen any news source with pictures or videos of these events.

someone tried to post a .edu link above that had something but it was broken.

And according to Nancy, it's the swastika-bearers that are the insurance company shills/astroturfers. C'mon... like Blue Cross is going to do the Iron Cross? Gimme a break.

960 Irish Rose  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 8:34:24am

re: #951 Spenser (with an S)

It doesn't have to be one or the other. How about loud, but not personally attacking? Engaged, but not with blinders on? Not putting up with crap, but not joining them in the sewer?

American politics, as it should be.

961 Kragar  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 8:34:48am

Anyone else having issues with logging in thru the home page?

962 SixDegrees  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 8:34:52am

re: #954 FurryOldGuyJeans

Manufacture a "crisis", then mount a hugely coordinated effort to combat that crisis by intimidation and disruption.

I see you consider dissent no longer patriotic.

That, and you also manufacture an excuse to shut down debate and vote against public sentiment by belittling any expression of opposition as "extremism."

It also masks the problems the Dems are having within their own party, with health care proposals drifting inexorably rightward and the most extreme of the Left's proposals being rejected by significant blocs within their own party. Despite controlling both houses of Congress and the White House by undefeatable majorities, the Dems are still trying to blame the GOP for their inability to govern.

Sorry to disappoint, but the Dems own the Federal government; if they're unable to pass what they consider their flagship piece of legislation, they've got no one to blame but themselves.

963 Spenser (with an S)  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 8:35:32am

re: #957 albusteve

as for myself I'm a revolting peasant and I don't answer to anybody

Yeah! Like Sam Adams and the Sons of Liberty.

964 Pianobuff  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 8:38:25am

re: #962 SixDegrees

That, and you also manufacture an excuse to shut down debate and vote against public sentiment by belittling any expression of opposition as "extremism."

It also masks the problems the Dems are having within their own party, with health care proposals drifting inexorably rightward and the most extreme of the Left's proposals being rejected by significant blocs within their own party. Despite controlling both houses of Congress and the White House by undefeatable majorities, the Dems are still trying to blame the GOP for their inability to govern.

Sorry to disappoint, but the Dems own the Federal government; if they're unable to pass what they consider their flagship piece of legislation, they've got no one to blame but themselves.

And that, my friend, is one of the most surreal parts of this whole episode. One would think by the way things are being framed that the R's are this disciplined, effective and ruthless power-wielding influential group and if only the R's got out of the way than the D's would be able to great things for the country.

965 justabill  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 8:38:57am

re: #956 JohnnyReb

I would just like a link or two with the guys carrying Nazi stuff and hanging these effigies. I said it before, it's been two days and I have not seen any news source with pictures or videos of these events.

someone tried to post a .edu link above that had something but it was broken.

You can open the link by copying the address into a new window. It was just an old picture of Hitler at some function from years ago. Ment as a joke I suspect.

966 albusteve  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 8:38:59am

re: #960 Irish Rose

American politics, as it should be.

in your world...if the fight is in the sewer so be it...you want civility, go to the opera...the liberals dropped any pretense of polite politics with their alarming and dangerous BDS and anti war ferver...do unto others, that sort of thing

967 FurryOldGuyJeans  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 8:39:03am

re: #962 SixDegrees

That, and you also manufacture an excuse to shut down debate and vote against public sentiment by belittling any expression of opposition as "extremism."

It also masks the problems the Dems are having within their own party, with health care proposals drifting inexorably rightward and the most extreme of the Left's proposals being rejected by significant blocs within their own party. Despite controlling both houses of Congress and the White House by undefeatable majorities, the Dems are still trying to blame the GOP for their inability to govern.

Sorry to disappoint, but the Dems own the Federal government; if they're unable to pass what they consider their flagship piece of legislation, they've got no one to blame but themselves.

Maybe soon another "Sorry World" website will be started, this time apologizing for electing such a blatantly obvious clown, yet be targeted at the American people. I know a number of people who just last month who were very pro-Obama supporters who are having not just second thoughts about what they back in November.

968 avanti  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 8:39:07am

re: #918 Walter L. Newton

Avanti, why are the progressive complaining about the conservatives that are showing up at certain events and protesting the Obama health care bill? I'm curious.

Showing up is not a issue. many show up on there on their own to ask questions. It's like the astrotuffing of the tea parties, and some of it is not grass roots. When they are organized by the tea party guys, or right wing blogs, and told to shout and make noise, it's about disrupting the discussion not having one.
Like the tea parties, in the end, I think rude behavior will backfire. BTW, I'm talking about shouting down conservative speakers at liberal colleges and the like as well. Americans typically don't like ganging up on a invited speaker, disagree, fine, yell so they can't speak, not so much.

969 [deleted]  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 8:39:25am
970 JohnnyReb  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 8:39:33am

re: #959 Pianobuff

And according to Nancy, it's the swastika-bearers that are the insurance company shills/astroturfers. C'mon... like Blue Cross is going to do the Iron Cross? Gimme a break.

I guarantee you if all that stuff had actually happened it would be all over the MSM and it would be viral on you tube and the like. It would be front page on every news outlet on the web, but it isn't. They are lying yet again. And Pelosi should know better than to lie after she got her hands smacked on the CIA issue.

971 justabill  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 8:40:04am

re: #963 Spenser (with an S)

Yeah! Like Sam Adams and the Sons of Liberty.

I'll drink to that./

972 Pianobuff  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 8:40:48am

re: #970 JohnnyReb

I guarantee you if all that stuff had actually happened it would be all over the MSM and it would be viral on you tube and the like. It would be front page on every news outlet on the web, but it isn't. They are lying yet again. And Pelosi should know better than to lie after she got her hands smacked on the CIA issue.

It's pathological with her. I can't explain her behavior any other way.

973 KenJen  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 8:41:01am

re: #961 Kragar (proud to be kafir)

Anyone else having issues with logging in thru the home page?

Yes. Had to log on at bottom of comment section.

974 FurryOldGuyJeans  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 8:41:02am

re: #968 avanti

You sure got your talking points down pat. Nothing but DNC propaganda from start to finish.

Nice to see you no longer consider dissent as being patriotic.

975 Irish Rose  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 8:41:11am

When it comes to personal introspection, a lot of "conservatives" in this country have a serious problem with diversion and obfuscation.

Moderate: the "right" is adopting the same ugly communication tactics as the "left"... it's counterproductive and degrading, and it has to stop...

Right-winger: Look! Over there! It's Elvis!

976 turn  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 8:41:12am

re: #961 Kragar (proud to be kafir)

Anyone else having issues with logging in thru the home page?

Yes, just now. Plus the auto thingy no worky.

977 albusteve  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 8:41:56am

re: #964 Pianobuff

And that, my friend, is one of the most surreal parts of this whole episode. One would think by the way things are being framed that the R's are this disciplined, effective and ruthless power-wielding influential group and if only the R's got out of the way than the D's would be able to great things for the country.

controlling the language, controlling the dialog...happens here every day

978 Spenser (with an S)  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 8:43:12am

re: #971 justabill

I'll drink to that./

Mmm... Beer.

979 itellu3times  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 8:43:29am
Everything should be made as simple as possible, but no simpler.

Present!

980 scottishbuzzsaw  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 8:43:32am

Just a quick drive-by...did you see this in the spin-off links?

Unions To Take On Conservative Groups Health Care Town Halls

[Link: www.huffingtonpost.com...]

981 VegasRick  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 8:43:50am

re: #961 Kragar (proud to be kafir)

Anyone else having issues with logging in thru the home page?

Yes. I had to go to a link to log in.

982 Kragar  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 8:44:25am

Charles, getting the following Error with IE

Line: 24
Char: 531
Error: Object doesn't support this action
Code: 0

Please report away on this comment so Charles can see it.

983 Mad Al-Jaffee  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 8:44:43am

Surprise, surprise, The Washington Post finds the 0 Joker poster racist:

Superimpose that idea, through the Joker's makeup, onto Obama's face, and you have subtly coded, highly effective racial and political argument. Forget socialism, this poster is another attempt to accomplish an association between Obama and the unpredictable, seeming danger of urban life. It is another effort to establish what failed to jell in the debate about Obama's association with Chicago radical William Ayers and the controversy over the racially charged sermons of the Rev. Jeremiah Wright.

Obama, like the Joker and like the racial stereotype of the black man, carries within him an unknowable, volatile and dangerous marker of urban violence, which could erupt at any time. The charge of socialism is secondary to the basic message that Obama can't be trusted, not because he is a politician, but because he's black.

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

984 FurryOldGuyJeans  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 8:45:16am

re: #964 Pianobuff

And that, my friend, is one of the most surreal parts of this whole episode. One would think by the way things are being framed that the R's are this disciplined, effective and ruthless power-wielding influential group and if only the R's got out of the way than the D's would be able to great things for the country.

When the R's were in charge they were nothing but a army of Rush drones and idiotic boobs, singing Hosannas to enact Bush's Theocracy with a blank group mind. NOW the R's are master planners and insurrectionists.

Finding external enemies/reasons to distract from one's own deficiencies is typical Leftist crap.

985 quiet man  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 8:45:24am

re: #968 avanti

The loading of the town halls was accepted by liberals, even when it was their pown candidates who loaded them...and the tea parties were far less loaded than an ACORN event ever was...

and right now, the elected liberal elites are far more condescending to the people they have encountered with legit questions and comp[laints than any republican ever was...

Any chance that could be folded in to the conversation??

986 Pianobuff  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 8:45:39am

re: #980 scottishbuzzsaw

Just a quick drive-by...did you see this in the spin-off links?

Unions To Take On Conservative Groups Health Care Town Halls

[Link: www.huffingtonpost.com...]

Aren't the major unions going to keep their own gold-plated plans and the legislation will largely leave them untouched? What's their stake in this...?

987 FurryOldGuyJeans  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 8:46:22am

re: #982 Kragar (proud to be kafir)

Charles, getting the following Error with IE

Line: 24
Char: 531
Error: Object doesn't support this action
Code: 0

Please report away on this comment so Charles can see it.

Looks like Charles is up early and doing some code mashing, improving the lgf experience.

988 albusteve  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 8:46:23am

re: #975 Irish Rose

When it comes to personal introspection, a lot of "conservatives" in this country have a serious problem with diversion and obfuscation.

Moderate: the "right" is adopting the same ugly communication tactics as the "left"... it's counterproductive and degrading, and it has to stop...

Right-winger: Look! Over there! It's Elvis!

it will stop on it's own when politicians represent the voters with honesty and less intrusive govt...some of the problem is people telling others how to behave...I'm a firm believer in minding my own business and when people insist on rooting around into my private affairs I can get pissy about it

989 itellu3times  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 8:46:40am

re: #949 FurryOldGuyJeans

Clinton suggests US could join war crimes court
Aug 6, 6:03 AM (ET)

NAIROBI, Kenya (AP) - U.S. Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton says it is a "great regret" that the United States is not a member of the International Criminal Court.

Yeah, like my cousin is a member of the Harvard Medical School. His skeleton hangs in the student lounge.

990 [deleted]  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 8:47:23am
991 itellu3times  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 8:47:24am

re: #987 FurryOldGuyJeans

Looks like Charles is up early and doing some code mashing, improving the lgf experience.

It broke last night.

992 quiet man  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 8:47:34am

re: #984 FurryOldGuyJeans

Not only typical but required..the left needs an enemy to democize..if they do not have one, they will lie and invent one.

The current invention is the pushing of the nirther issue

993 VegasRick  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 8:48:20am

re: #988 albusteve

it will stop on it's own when politicians represent the voters with honesty and less intrusive govt...some of the problem is people telling others how to behave...I'm a firm believer in minding my own business and when people insist on rooting around into my private affairs I can get pissy about it

Bingo!

Nail, meet hammer.

994 FurryOldGuyJeans  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 8:48:41am

re: #986 Pianobuff

Aren't the major unions going to keep their own gold-plated plans and the legislation will largely leave them untouched? What's their stake in this...?

This whole fight from the Left is all about power and money. You got it? They want it, all of it.

995 Pianobuff  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 8:48:44am

re: #983 Mad Al-Jaffee

Surprise, surprise, The Washington Post finds the 0 Joker poster racist:

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

2007 - President done up as the Joker: Great satire. Biting and witty. Humorous commentary on the executive branch.

2009 - President done up as the Joker: RACIST

996 Desert Dog  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 8:49:23am

re: #985 quiet man

The loading of the town halls was accepted by liberals, even when it was their pown candidates who loaded them...and the tea parties were far less loaded than an ACORN event ever was...

and right now, the elected liberal elites are far more condescending to the people they have encountered with legit questions and comp[laints than any republican ever was...

Any chance that could be folded in to the conversation??

Nope...sorry...put down that swastika, and take your Brooks Brothers suit and rudeness out of here!

/sheep only please

997 itellu3times  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 8:49:34am

re: #990 buzzsawmonkey

Apropos yesterday's Dawkins/Wright faceoff, I really wish that there were a concerted effort from the science community to say that

1) It is no problem that there have been errors on the road to our current level of scientific knowledge; science has the duty to be wrong on the way to being right. The issue is not whether there have been errors, but whether there is an ongoing process of correction.

2) Science is not concerned with morality. To the extent that creationists attempt to lay moral consequences onto neutral fact, they are not attacking science but admitting their own failure to teach morality--including a morality which can withstand the "assault" of verifiable fact.

3) To the extent creationism is concerned with morality, it is not science--wholly independent of its rejection of particular facts and analysis.

4) And, because of the foregoing, creationists have removed themselves from any serious consideration for inclusion in any discussion of science.

I suggest these things because it was clear from the tape that Wright was simply ignoring/rejecting any scientific data that did not fit on her Procrustean bed--and the above suggestions are a way of slapping her onto her own Procrustean bed and holding her to her own standards.

#3 is the key.

Science is concerned with the facts.

Morality has to live within the facts. Does Wright (sic) mean that, if Darwin is right, she is going to go out tomorrow and murder people?

998 avanti  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 8:50:39am

re: #947 Pianobuff

You keep repeating this line about "the right's effort" but there are Dems speaking up at those meetings too, so I'm not sure if that strategy would work.

Not the right speaking, but the ones sent just to disrupt.
Like the tea parties, there are many honest, sincere, citizens at the town halls, but the press will focus on the organized shouters sent out to kill any discussion.

999 quiet man  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 8:50:47am

re: #996 Desert Dog

I am just sorry I cant get my 'publican check for having "approved" opinions...I want to be astroturfed in cash! where is the line for that??

1000 lawhawk  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 8:51:09am

re: #995 Pianobuff

Double standards? What double standards?

1001 quiet man  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 8:52:02am

re: #998 avanti

Actually the press with little exceptioon sends out their people rarely..and when they do they conform to the liberal template required of them by their Masters

1002 albusteve  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 8:52:05am

re: #994 FurryOldGuyJeans

This whole fight from the Left is all about power and money. You got it? They want it, all of it.

and they want us to smile when the dirty deed goes down

1003 eschew_obfuscation  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 8:52:07am

re: #968 avanti

Showing up is not a issue. many show up on there on their own to ask questions. It's like the astrotuffing of the tea parties, and some of it is not grass roots. When they are organized by the tea party guys, or right wing blogs, and told to shout and make noise, it's about disrupting the discussion not having one.
Like the tea parties, in the end, I think rude behavior will backfire. BTW, I'm talking about shouting down conservative speakers at liberal colleges and the like as well. Americans typically don't like ganging up on a invited speaker, disagree, fine, yell so they can't speak, not so much.

Do you have ANY evidence for these allegations?

1004 quiet man  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 8:53:07am

re: #1003 eschew_obfuscation
Libs do not really need evidence..what they believe is obvious a priori

1005 Pianobuff  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 8:53:09am

re: #998 avanti

Not the right speaking, but the ones sent just to disrupt.
Like the tea parties, there are many honest, sincere, citizens at the town halls, but the press will focus on the organized shouters sent out to kill any discussion.

Well my guess is that, just like when shooting a movie, we'll have dailies throughout August that will keep the conversation lively here.

1006 jill e  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 8:53:34am

re: #945 ladycatnip

Pelosi accuses town hall protesters of carrying swastikas.

So typical of this administration and of the leftists - demonize anyone who disagrees.

Maybe this needs to be reported as "fishy." Sounds fishy to me: flag@whitehouse.gov

I sent this as "fishy":

Fishy: The first substantive provision in H.R. 3200, under the section title “SEC. 102. PROTECTING THE CHOICE TO KEEP CURRENT COVERAGE,” actually prohibits individuals from purchasing a new private health insurance policy. The self employed will have their current plan or the “public option” as their only options. The newly self employed will be stuck with choice of the “public option” or going uninsured and paying fines. Is this intended to “keep the insurance companies honest” or put them out of business?

SEC. 102. PROTECTING THE CHOICE TO KEEP CURRENT COVERAGE.
(a) Grandfathered Health Insurance Coverage Defined- Subject to the succeeding provisions of this section, for purposes of establishing acceptable coverage under this division, the term `grandfathered health insurance coverage’ means individual health insurance coverage that is offered and in force and effect before the first day of Y1 if the following conditions are met:
(1) LIMITATION ON NEW ENROLLMENT-
(A) IN GENERAL- Except as provided in this paragraph, the individual health insurance issuer offering such coverage does not enroll any individual in such coverage if the first effective date of coverage is on or after the first day of Y1.

1007 FurryOldGuyJeans  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 8:53:41am

re: #998 avanti

How do you know what the intent of the people are? Ever consider many are just well past frustrated with being shit on by a government and administration that says one thing and then does anything but what they said?

You have made some VERY serious allegations, you need to either show PROOF, or shut up spewing the talking points.

1008 Desert Dog  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 8:54:16am

re: #995 Pianobuff

2007 - President done up as the Joker: Great satire. Biting and witty. Humorous commentary on the executive branch.

2009 - President done up as the Joker: RACIST

Well Buff, President Obama happens to be 1/2 "black", so, please turn to page Two of the standards to see how to handle that. Page One is for white people, page Two of the double standard is for "non-white" citizens. Of course, if the person of "non-white" status happens to be a conservative, you can ignore page Two if you so chose. I hope that clears it up for you.

/

1009 quiet man  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 8:54:28am

re: #1005 Pianobuff
Funny no liberals were all that concerned about ACORNs rent a mob being bussed from place to place...that is one of the lies you must accept to remain a liberal these days..one of many

1010 FurryOldGuyJeans  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 8:54:34am

re: #1003 eschew_obfuscation

Do you have ANY evidence for these allegations?

Yeah, the latest talking points memo from the DNC and the WH Informant website.

1011 Learned Mother of Zion  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 8:54:44am

re: #949 FurryOldGuyJeans

Clinton suggests US could join war crimes court
Aug 6, 6:03 AM (ET)

Sounds like she really wants to join that pile-on of Israel.

1012 FurryOldGuyJeans  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 8:56:39am

re: #1011 Alouette

Sounds like she really wants to join that pile-on of Israel.

It would be a two-fer. A chance to finally prosecute US troops for War Crimes, and get Israel.

1013 albusteve  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 8:56:43am

re: #1008 Desert Dog

Well Buff, President Obama happens to be 1/2 "black", so, please turn to page Two of the standards to see how to handle that. Page One is for white people, page Two of the double standard is for "non-white" citizens. Of course, if the person of "non-white" status happens to be a conservative, you can ignore page Two if you so chose. I hope that clears it up for you.

/

ahaa!

1014 [deleted]  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 8:56:52am
1015 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 8:56:54am

I'm in and out right now, have the DirectTV guy here.

1016 VegasRick  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 8:57:11am

re: #998 avanti

Not the right speaking, but the ones sent just to disrupt.
Like the tea parties, there are many honest, sincere, citizens at the town halls, but the press will focus on the organized shouters sent out to kill any discussion.

You are so full of shit. Repeat the lib talking points over and over again. Maybe you just don't get it ( the anger) because as you have pointed out before you really do look forward to our new overlords. Most people don't and when they voice their opinions you and the lib assholes make it sound like they are some kind of "hired guns" to shout everything down. Wake up man!

1017 Desert Dog  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 8:57:14am

re: #1007 FurryOldGuyJeans

How do you know what the intent of the people are? Ever consider many are just well past frustrated with being shit on by a government and administration that says one thing and then does anything but what they said?

You have made some VERY serious allegations, you need to either show PROOF, or shut up spewing the talking points.

These crowds look like constituents to me, nothing more. There may be the odd "ringer" and "rabble-rouser" brought in, but I would bet these are just regular people scared sh*tless of their future. They are cancelling Town Hall meetings right and left. If the Democrats in Congress are so sure of this plan, why not talk to the people that elected them?

1018 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 8:57:22am

Did AVANTI every answer my comment...

"Avanti, why are the progressive complaining about the conservatives that are showing up at certain events and protesting the Obama health care bill? I'm curious."

1019 quiet man  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 8:57:26am

re: #1011 Alouette
I think Hillary wants to show people that she is still as far left as ever...ICC court indeed..
The USA will be just behind Israel in the million suit march of European style justice

1020 eschew_obfuscation  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 8:57:48am

re: #1011 Alouette

Sounds like she really wants to join that pile-on of Israel.

Or prosecute GWB and Dick Cheney for war crimes.

1021 FurryOldGuyJeans  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 8:57:57am

re: #995 Pianobuff

2007 - President done up as the Joker: Great satire. Biting and witty. Humorous commentary on the executive branch.

2009 - President done up as the Joker: RACIST

The Bush as Joker was 2008, not 2007.

1022 unrealizedviewpoint  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 8:58:09am

re: #992 quiet man

Not only typical but required..the left needs an enemy to democize..if they do not have one, they will lie and invent one.

The current invention is the pushing of the nirther issue


and:

Barbara Boxer said:

"By the way, I saw the clips of people storming these town hall meetings. The last time I saw well-dressed people doing this was when Al Gore asked me to go down to Florida, when they were recounting the ballots. I was confronted by the same type of people. They were there screaming and yelling 'Go back to California.'"

...and Nancy Pelosi telling the media that the people showing up to protest government health care are "carrying swastikas."

1023 Russkilitlover  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 8:58:12am

re: #952 Lincolntf

UpDING! You are so right - the people I have heard and seen on web videos are screaming for ANSWERS - and not getting them. The Dems and the Administration are really trying to paint and dissent from their socialist agenda as something "far right extremism." The demonizing of dissent by this Administration and the Dems in congress is disgusting. And it's clearly pissing people off.

1024 quiet man  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 8:58:29am

re: #1014 buzzsawmonkey
I think the Obama joker face should say
Do I look like I have a plan?

instead of the S word

1025 albusteve  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 8:58:45am

re: #1018 Walter L. Newton

Did AVANTI every answer my comment...

"Avanti, why are the progressive complaining about the conservatives that are showing up at certain events and protesting the Obama health care bill? I'm curious."

not really

1026 kansas  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 8:58:59am

re: #998 avanti

Not the right speaking, but the ones sent just to disrupt.
Like the tea parties, there are many honest, sincere, citizens at the town halls, but the press will focus on the organized shouters sent out to kill any discussion mind numbing repetition of Obama talking points.

1027 jill e  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 8:59:05am

"This is the age in which thin and theoretic minorities can cover and conquer unconscious and untheoretic majorities."—GK Chesterton

1028 FurryOldGuyJeans  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 8:59:29am

re: #1018 Walter L. Newton

Did AVANTI every answer my comment...

"Avanti, why are the progressive complaining about the conservatives that are showing up at certain events and protesting the Obama health care bill? I'm curious."

His "answer" was to say the R's are being paid provocateurs whose sole intent is to disrupt.

So no, he never truly answered the question, he just in typical fashion deflected it.

1029 Killgore Trout  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 8:59:41am

Beck to nutjobs: "It is not time to blow anything up", "You are too stupid to really understand" (audio)

"When will someone stand up and say traitor!?"
...
"The American way of life is being systematically dismantled and destroyed. The Republic is in danger. We are tired of everyone in the U.S. Congress, Democrats, Republicans, everyone, and they don't care, but believe me, they better start. Otherwise, as I said on O'Reilly last night, we are entering the most dangerous time in American history."

"It is not time to pick up guns . . . It is not time to blow anything up"

1030 Pianobuff  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 8:59:42am

re: #1008 Desert Dog

Well Buff, President Obama happens to be 1/2 "black", so, please turn to page Two of the standards to see how to handle that. Page One is for white people, page Two of the double standard is for "non-white" citizens. Of course, if the person of "non-white" status happens to be a conservative, you can ignore page Two if you so chose. I hope that clears it up for you.

/

I could be wrong about this, but I sometimes wonder if, given the frequency and range of circumstances that the word "racist" is thrown about, we will see this word become more and more meaningless. At some point will people who are called racists for any reason under the sun become emotionally immune to the label given its reckless use?

Of course, if this does happen the real shame of it will be that victims of real racism may not be heard. That would be tragic.

1031 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 8:59:44am

re: #1025 albusteve

not really

Figures. Like I say, I'm in and out, Direct TV guy here, I'm loosing track of this thread.

1032 quiet man  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 8:59:46am

re: #1022 unrealizedviewpoint
Can she really hate those she represents so very much??

Do any of them care about who hired them and why??

I just do not know.

1033 kansas  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 8:59:54am

re: #1015 Walter L. Newton

I'm in and out right now, have the DirectTV guy here.

This is not good, I'm waiting for the Directv guy to change over from Comcast.

1034 VegasRick  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 9:00:17am

re: #1018 Walter L. Newton

Did AVANTI every answer my comment...

"Avanti, why are the progressive complaining about the conservatives that are showing up at certain events and protesting the Obama health care bill? I'm curious."

Of course not!

1035 unrealizedviewpoint  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 9:00:33am
1036 [deleted]  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 9:00:37am
1037 kansas  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 9:00:44am

re: #1028 FurryOldGuyJeans

His "answer" was to say the R's are being paid provocateurs whose sole intent is to disrupt.

So no, he never truly answered the question, he just in typical fashion deflected it.

How do I get one of those paid provocateur gigs?

1038 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 9:00:57am

re: #1028 FurryOldGuyJeans

His "answer" was to say the R's are being paid provocateurs whose sole intent is to disrupt.

So no, he never truly answered the question, he just in typical fashion deflected it.

good, job creation. Damn bit better than the Dems are doing. Where do I get one of those jobs? (by the way, unemployment will be up .10 percent tomorrow to 9.6)

1039 FurryOldGuyJeans  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 9:01:34am

re: #1034 VegasRick

Of course not!

Au contraire, he DID answer in a uber-typical Leftoid fashion: deflect, obfuscate, and accuse.

1040 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 9:01:55am

re: #1039 FurryOldGuyJeans

Au contraire, he DID answer in a uber-typical Leftoid fashion: deflect, obfuscate, and accuse.

You mean D.O.A?

1041 FurryOldGuyJeans  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 9:02:27am

re: #1037 kansas

re: #1038 Walter L. Newton

When I get my next provocateur check, I'll let you know. ;)

1042 quiet man  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 9:02:29am

re: #1036 buzzsawmonkey

It says socialism...I only wish Obama was as funny as Alfred.

1044 kansas  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 9:02:42am

re: #1038 Walter L. Newton

good, job creation. Damn bit better than the Dems are doing. Where do I get one of those jobs? (by the way, unemployment will be up .10 percent tomorrow to 9.6)

Walter this is excellent news as the rate of increase in unemployment has decreased./

1045 albusteve  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 9:02:56am

re: #1039 FurryOldGuyJeans

Au contraire, he DID answer in a uber-typical Leftoid fashion: deflect, obfuscate, and accuse.

FWENSH!

1046 reine.de.tout  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 9:02:58am

re: #968 avanti

Showing up is not a issue. many show up on there on their own to ask questions. It's like the astrotuffing of the tea parties, and some of it is not grass roots. When they are organized by the tea party guys, or right wing blogs, and told to shout and make noise, it's about disrupting the discussion not having one.
Like the tea parties, in the end, I think rude behavior will backfire. BTW, I'm talking about shouting down conservative speakers at liberal colleges and the like as well. Americans typically don't like ganging up on a invited speaker, disagree, fine, yell so they can't speak, not so much.

Avanti - do you think its necessary for something to be "grass-roots" to be legitimate? You didn't say exactly that, but it somehow seems implied in your comment. Not all "organizing" of a group to attend an event is done for the purpose of "shouting down".

I agree with you that speakers are colleges should be allowed to speak, and not shouted down. However, although I have no links at hand to prove anything at the moment, it seems to many of us conservatives that the shouting down of conservative speakers at colleges IS actually tolerated and results in the removal of the speaker (or lack of invitation in the first place, or even a disinvitation); whereas those who might be inclined to "shout down" liberal speakers at colleges are shut down before they even get started. Which is exactly what should happen to ANY group wanting to use the "shout 'em down" tactic, but it seeems it isn't applied at all when the speaker is conservative.

1047 Mad Al-Jaffee  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 9:03:26am

re: #1014 buzzsawmonkey

Depicting Obama as the Joker is lame. Obama should instead be depicted as Two-Face--not only because he is half-black and half-white, but because he plays the race card and the race-healing cards alternately as they suit his purpose.

Also because he says one thing and does another. And because, like the original Two-Face, he once had a fleeting connection with the legal profession.

But should he be depicted as the Aaron Eckhart Harvey Dent or the Billy Dee Williams Harvey Dent?

1048 Pianobuff  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 9:03:39am

re: #1029 Killgore Trout

Beck to nutjobs: "It is not time to blow anything up", "You are too stupid to really understand" (audio)

And in the meantime Mike Malloy (liberal radio host) is pulling for Beck to commit suicide.

1049 unrealizedviewpoint  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 9:03:45am

re: #1032 quiet man

Can she really hate those she represents so very much??

Do any of them care about who hired them and why??

I just do not know.

Don't you know? We don't know what's good for us.

1050 quiet man  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 9:03:50am

re: #1035 unrealizedviewpoint
Pelosi mixed up the swastika for the American flag..hard to say which one she holds in more contempt

1051 eschew_obfuscation  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 9:04:02am

I'm calling Blue Cross & Blue Shield ... I want a job disrupting town hall meetings. Should be fun and I might get some good food.
//

1052 [deleted]  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 9:04:18am
1053 albusteve  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 9:05:06am

re: #1043 unrealizedviewpoint

Barbara Boxer: Well dressed people storming town hall meetings to hurt our President.

total disconnect...and the Regan thing!...w00t!

1054 onslow  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 9:05:24am
1055 eschew_obfuscation  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 9:05:28am

re: #1043 unrealizedviewpoint

Barbara Boxer: Well dressed people storming town hall meetings to hurt our President.

[Video]

Well, its sure a good thing they're well-dressed.

I mean, if they were wearing ratty old jeans and a T-shirt, well, that'd be different... I think.
//

1056 [deleted]  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 9:05:31am
1057 quiet man  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 9:05:34am

re: #1051 eschew_obfuscation good food?? Maybe..
Just verify that the city the meeting you go to is has enough cash to bury the john does

1058 Killgore Trout  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 9:05:40am

re: #1048 Pianobuff

And in the meantime Mike Malloy (liberal radio host) is pulling for Beck to commit suicide.

I was just listening to that...
Lib Talker Malloy's Hateful Diatribe (audio)

1059 kansas  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 9:06:35am

re: #1052 buzzsawmonkey

Girl goes crazy 'bout those well-dressed men.

--ZZ Top

Puffy lips
Tight face
Buggy eyes staring out into space
Everybody lies just as fast as they can
Everybody's crazy for the girl called Nan.

1060 midwestgak  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 9:06:45am

Why I became a conservative so fast
By Robin of Berkeley

. . . And then two years later, Obama came on the scene. He felt creepy; and I saw before my eyes that the sick, evil fringe of the far left had invaded the Democratic Party. As though I'd been slapped across the face, I snapped out of my trance. The last vestiges of my liberalism flew the coop, and the rest, as they say, is history.

1061 unrealizedviewpoint  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 9:07:08am

re: #1055 eschew_obfuscation

Well, its sure a good thing they're well-dressed.

I mean, if they were wearing ratty old jeans and a T-shirt, well, that'd be different... I think.
//

'Well dressed' is code word for republican fear monger/activist/plants.

1062 SasquatchOnSteroids  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 9:07:14am

The Mob's coming.
In a Chrysler Town and Country.
Both side doors open for easy exits.

1063 FurryOldGuyJeans  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 9:07:17am

re: #1043 unrealizedviewpoint

Barbara Boxer: Well dressed people storming town hall meetings to hurt our President.

[Video]

So Boxer is saying that democracy is not a threat against OMO?!?

Mexico can have California, the inmates keep running the asylum.

1064 Pianobuff  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 9:07:26am

re: #1043 unrealizedviewpoint

Barbara Boxer: Well dressed people storming town hall meetings to hurt our President.

[Video]

And the last time she was in the news was for putting that man (president of the AA Chamber of Commerce) in his "racial penalty box", right?

Man, every time she opens her mouth, something strange comes out.

1065 Mad Al-Jaffee  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 9:07:31am

re: #1056 buzzsawmonkey

I can't help you there. On the other hand, Joe Biden has made so many cryptic utterances that he could easily be depicted as the Riddler.

I personally would go with Billy Dee Williams.

"Works every time!"

1066 Desert Dog  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 9:07:34am

re: #1030 Pianobuff

I could be wrong about this, but I sometimes wonder if, given the frequency and range of circumstances that the word "racist" is thrown about, we will see this word become more and more meaningless. At some point will people who are called racists for any reason under the sun become emotionally immune to the label given its reckless use?

Of course, if this does happen the real shame of it will be that victims of real racism may not be heard. That would be tragic.

I think after years of abuse from race hustlers, guilt ridden white people and a PC riddled society, the world racist has been watered down. I also think that America, by in large, is no longer "racist". We have come a very long way from 1960's. That fact makes me extremely proud to be an American. We had a problem, a serious problem, and we collectively rose up and solved it. That is what makes America great in my mind.

What cheapens that victory is some people still wallowing in victimhood, while others are enabling that to continue. If it was ever true that you get out of what you put into something, it is an individual's success in this country. There are no institutional roadblocks, there are no artifical limitations to blame. There is no other place on earth that offers opportunity to all people, regardless of race, sex, religion, sexual orientation, etc, etc, like the USA does.

1067 wrenchwench  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 9:07:59am

Not all the "mobs" are against socialized medicine:

BISBEE — It was a long wait for about two dozen people who wanted to let their congresswoman know how they feel about national health care.

But the protesters were unlike some who Democratic U.S. Rep. Gabrielle Giffords faced earlier in Douglas. The Douglas protesters shouted and tried to drown her out during one of her “Congress on Your Corner” meetings at the border community’s Safeway.

The Bisbee group, standing outside Cafe Roka, wanted a national health care plan, but not the one the congresswoman favors.

Holding signs calling on Arizona’s 8th Congressional District representative to make patients first and profits second and to support a single-payer health plan, the friendly crowd waited for nearly 90 minutes beyond when Giffords was supposed to arrive.

[...]

She [Giffords] said there are five health care reform bills floating though Congress, and what the final one will look like is still unknown.

One thing she said she wants is for a health care reform measure to have a “public option” care provision.

“I will only vote for a bill that includes a public option,” she said.

She said any health care bill also will have to include ways to pay for its costs.

That led a couple of women in the audience of more than 70 people to yell out: “Tax the rich, tax the rich.”

1068 Kragar  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 9:08:04am

re: #1052 buzzsawmonkey

Girl goes crazy 'bout those well-dressed men.

--ZZ Top

Sharp dressed man

1069 avanti  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 9:08:30am

re: #1035 unrealizedviewpoint

Pelosi: Town Hall Protesters Are "Carrying Swastikas"


[Video]

She was wrong, it was a SS Nazi sign.

1070 gregb  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 9:08:42am

re: #1050 quiet man

Pelosi mixed up the swastika for the American flag..hard to say which one she holds in more contempt

She can't even spin correctly without lying. If there were swastikas, I would think it would be a statement of the "force government upon us" approach policy her and her colleagues are pursuing.

1071 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 9:09:08am

re: #1044 kansas

Walter this is excellent news as the rate of increase in unemployment has decreased./

And that is exactly how the news articles are spinning it. Higher unemployment, but not as high as they expected. Tell that to the new 300,000 unemployed how great that is.

1072 FurryOldGuyJeans  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 9:09:09am

re: #1061 unrealizedviewpoint

'Well dressed' is code word for republican fear monger/activist/plants.

Just contrast it with the required Leftoid protest uniform.

This ain't a proper protest, there are not giant paper-mache heads anywhere in sight.

1073 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 9:09:54am

re: #1072 FurryOldGuyJeans

Just contrast it with the required Leftoid protest uniform.

This ain't a proper protest, there are not giant paper-mache heads anywhere in sight.

Pink, lots of pink!

1074 Pianobuff  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 9:10:07am

re: #1066 Desert Dog

I think after years of abuse from race hustlers, guilt ridden white people and a PC riddled society, the world racist has been watered down. I also think that America, by in large, is no longer "racist". We have come a very long way from 1960's. That fact makes me extremely proud to be an American. We had a problem, a serious problem, and we collectively rose up and solved it. That is what makes America great in my mind.

What cheapens that victory is some people still wallowing in victimhood, while others are enabling that to continue. If it was ever true that you get out of what you put into something, it is an individual's success in this country. There are no institutional roadblocks, there are no artifical limitations to blame. There is no other place on earth that offers opportunity to all people, regardless of race, sex, religion, sexual orientation, etc, etc, like the USA does.

Well, I do agree with you in many ways. However, incidents of racism do happen and they are deplorable. As with the boy who cried wolf, if we become too numb to the R word due to its overuse and abuse, we could end up ignoring real racism where there are real victims. That would be a tragic unintended consequence.

1075 Killgore Trout  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 9:11:00am

re: #1069 avanti

She was wrong, it was a SS Nazi sign.

Is there a pic of it out there somewhere?

1076 unrealizedviewpoint  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 9:11:35am

re: #1069 avanti

She was wrong, it was a SS Nazi sign.

I actually don't know what she is referring to. I just thought it was loon talk. Please expand. What do you know of this SS Nazi sign?

1077 pingjockey  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 9:12:05am

Mornin' lizards, Rush talking about this 'crowd' of antiobamabi protestors, apperently Pelousi is accusing protestors showing up wearing swastikas!

1078 Pianobuff  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 9:12:11am

re: #1075 Killgore Trout

Is there a pic of it out there somewhere?

Someone had posted a link upthread somewhere but I was having access forbidden issues with it.

1079 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 9:12:15am

re: #1069 avanti

She was wrong, it was a SS Nazi sign.

And she has proof of this? Explain.

1080 VegasRick  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 9:12:17am

re: #1069 avanti

She was wrong, it was a SS Nazi sign.

Fake but accurate Avanti. You really do suck.

1081 kansas  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 9:12:29am

re: #1071 Walter L. Newton

And that is exactly how the news articles are spinning it. Higher unemployment, but not as high as they expected. Tell that to the new 300,000 unemployed how great that is.

Wonder if Dear Leader could see his way clear to produce a month in which there is actually a net gain in jobs? Can you imagine the headlines with that one?

1082 FurryOldGuyJeans  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 9:12:31am

re: #1071 Walter L. Newton

And that is exactly how the news articles are spinning it. Higher unemployment, but not as high as they expected. Tell that to the new 300,000 unemployed how great that is.

I saw one news report that was gushing about how great it is new unemployment claims are less than was predicted, and in the next sentence the talking head talked about how the total number of unemployed is increasing more than predicted. There was a momentary look of comprehension at the utter disconnect between the two statements on her face. Priceless!

1083 SixDegrees  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 9:13:06am

re: #1043 unrealizedviewpoint

Barbara Boxer: Well dressed people storming town hall meetings to hurt our President.

[Video]

"Bushitler!"

Oh, wait...er, wrong Administration. Wrong party. My bad. No one on the Left has ever stopped to comparing opposition policies to those used by the Nazis.

Nothing to see here; move along.

1084 avanti  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 9:13:44am

re: #1028 FurryOldGuyJeans

His "answer" was to say the R's are being paid provocateurs whose sole intent is to disrupt.

So no, he never truly answered the question, he just in typical fashion deflected it.

Please don't misrepresent what I said. I never said "paid "but many were sent just to disrupt. Follow some of the links mentioned in the MSM yourself.
here's one news piece with some links to the conservative sites.

NYT

1085 [deleted]  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 9:14:15am
1086 Pianobuff  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 9:14:31am

Maybe one of the history buffs will know the answer to this question since it's sort of weirdly related to some of the discussions on this thread.

Was there ever a government healthcare system in Nazi Germany?

1087 gregb  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 9:15:05am

re: #1060 midwestgak

Why I became a conservative so fast
By Robin of Berkeley

Well, you know, classic liberalism is all about individual freedoms. In the 90's, all the conservative contract with American and welfare reforms were classic-liberal ideas that came out of the conservative wing of the GOP. The only thing coming out of so-labeled "liberals" was collectivist socialism.

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]
"a form of liberalism stressing individual freedom, free markets, and limited government. This includes the importance of human rationality, individual property rights, natural rights, the protection of civil liberties, individual freedom from restraint, equality under the law, constitutional limitation of government, free markets, and a gold standard to facilitate global free trade and place fiscal constraints on government."

Where do you see that in today's left? To me, conservatism is protecting the life, limb, and property rights for those who can't speak for themselves.

1088 Desert Dog  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 9:15:08am

re: #1082 FurryOldGuyJeans

I saw one news report that was gushing about how great it is new unemployment claims are less than was predicted, and in the next sentence the talking head talked about how the total number of unemployed is increasing more than predicted. There was a momentary look of comprehension at the utter disconnect between the two statements on her face. Priceless!

When God give you lemons, you make lemonade. When your pollsters give you a negative, turn it into a positive!

1089 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 9:15:13am

re: #1082 FurryOldGuyJeans

I saw one news report that was gushing about how great it is new unemployment claims are less than was predicted, and in the next sentence the talking head talked about how the total number of unemployed is increasing more than predicted. There was a momentary look of comprehension at the utter disconnect between the two statements on her face. Priceless!

I've posted, three days running, articles which totally contradict each other, sometimes in the same article. Both on health care and the cash for good, viable, still running, inexpensive cars program.

The spin that is coming out of Washington and the MSM is happening so fast that they can't even keep up with it.

(Hell, Avanti can't even keep up with it. :)

1090 pingjockey  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 9:15:21am

Limbaugh now doing a comparison of obambis health care logo to some damn nazi logo. Sheesh. Nazis left, nazis right, find something else for an analogy!

1091 FurryOldGuyJeans  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 9:15:37am

re: #1084 avanti

Ah, so all the rest I said you agree with, eh?

Nice to know you now consider democracy and citizen participation in it to be unpatriotic.

1092 CyanSnowHawk  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 9:15:42am

re: #1047 Mad Al-Jaffee

But should he be depicted as the Aaron Eckhart Harvey Dent or the Billy Dee Williams Harvey Dent?

Both?
/

1093 KingKenrod  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 9:15:51am

re: #1075 Killgore Trout

Is there a pic of it out there somewhere?

It was at the Lloyd Doggett protest.

About two minutes in you can see a guy with a small, hand-drawn sign that says "SStop" something...the "SS" is in Nazi style SS letters.

1094 MJ  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 9:15:52am

President Fuck the Jews:

Obama Needed This Like a Hole in the Head

I give him the benefit of a doubt. He may not himself have made the decision to honor the contemptible Mary Robinson, arguably a real bigot, with the Medal of Freedom. But, then, there is someone in his entourage who is leading him astray, gravely astray. And that someone has it in for Israel and for American Jews, too. The fact is that there is only so much that can be explained..


[Link: blogs.tnr.com...]

And this guy supported him.

1095 pingjockey  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 9:16:05am

re: #1085 buzzsawmonkey
That is very true. Forgot about that!

1096 VegasRick  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 9:16:46am

re: #1084 avanti

Please don't misrepresent what I said. I never said "paid "but many were sent just to disrupt. Follow some of the links mentioned in the MSM yourself.
here's one news piece with some links to the conservative sites.

NYT

Republicanbots! Arise! March to town hall meetings! Disrupt! Yell loudly! Don't forget to wear your swaztikas!

1097 albusteve  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 9:17:10am

re: #1083 SixDegrees

"Bushitler!"

Oh, wait...er, wrong Administration. Wrong party. My bad. No one on the Left has ever stopped to comparing opposition policies to those used by the Nazis.

Nothing to see here; move along.

respect me because Regan was a Californian and so am I...

1098 FurryOldGuyJeans  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 9:17:40am

re: #1084 avanti

BTW, you really do need to read the WHOLE talking points memos you are getting. PAID is the new meme for the Leftoid position as espoused by Queen Bee herself.

1099 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 9:17:40am

re: #1084 avanti

Please don't misrepresent what I said. I never said "paid "but many were sent just to disrupt. Follow some of the links mentioned in the MSM yourself.
here's one news piece with some links to the conservative sites.

NYT

Hey, I really don't care if they are paid, special interest or what. I don't care if they are loud, soft, annoying or what. I'm just damn glad that the progressives are finally getting a little of what they developed so wonderfully over the years.

It's your playbook, we stole from it. Keep up the good work. It is evident that it is having an effect since the White House is spinning on a daily basis.

I've posted, three days running, articles which totally contradict each other, sometimes in the same article. Both on health care and the cash for good, viable, still running, inexpensive cars program.

The spin that is coming out of Washington and the MSM is happening so fast that they can't even keep up with it.

1100 SixDegrees  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 9:17:47am

re: #1075 Killgore Trout

Is there a pic of it out there somewhere?

It might have been something like this.

Or perhaps this.

Or maybe something along these lines.

But I haven't actually seen it yet, so it's hard to say.

1101 kansas  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 9:17:53am

re: #869 SixDegrees

Can we talk about the eight years worth of Republicans being shouted off stages, having microphones commandeered, and pieings that all took place without once being decried by the Democrats? Cry me a fucking river.

No, we can not talk about that...

1102 Killgore Trout  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 9:17:58am

re: #1093 KingKenrod

Thanks.

1103 Charles Johnson  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 9:18:49am

re: #463 Spenser (with an S)

Correct, but Charles also asked that we not play "Gang up on the stupid Christian who until now has seemed like a rational anti-jihadist and has added much to the discussion here."

It has made some of us old-earth Christians uncomfortable.

What complete crap. I said no such thing -- that's your distorted mischaracterization.

1104 quiet man  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 9:18:50am

if the DNC cannot send you out to cause trouble in a debate you have no opinion on..why do you think the GOP can send out anyone??

1105 Killgore Trout  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 9:18:59am

re: #1100 SixDegrees

Those are tasteless and offensive too.

1106 J.D.  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 9:19:12am

re: #1096 VegasRick

Republicanbots! Arise! March to town hall meetings! Disrupt! Yell loudly! Don't forget to wear your swaztikas!


Oh, yeah. My e-mail is flooded with that stuff!
/

1107 itellu3times  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 9:19:14am

re: #1036 buzzsawmonkey

I'm not sure what the "S word" is; I guess I'm behind the curve.

SOCIALISM

it's the word on the poster beneath the grin

1108 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 9:19:18am

BBIAB - don't stop. Don't let the left cower you into silence.

1109 Altermite  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 9:19:23am

re: #1087 gregb

Well, you know, classic liberalism is all about individual freedoms. In the 90's, all the conservative contract with American and welfare reforms were classic-liberal ideas that came out of the conservative wing of the GOP. The only thing coming out of so-labeled "liberals" was collectivist socialism.

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]
"a form of liberalism stressing individual freedom, free markets, and limited government. This includes the importance of human rationality, individual property rights, natural rights, the protection of civil liberties, individual freedom from restraint, equality under the law, constitutional limitation of government, free markets, and a gold standard to facilitate global free trade and place fiscal constraints on government."

Where do you see that in today's left? To me, conservatism is protecting the life, limb, and property rights for those who can't speak for themselves.


Upding for clarifying classical liberalism from the left. The democrat party is only liberal on a handful of points.

I have to disagree that the current conservative america has been any more in favor of classical liberalism, though.

1110 Desert Dog  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 9:19:52am

re: #1093 KingKenrod

It was at the Lloyd Doggett protest.


About two minutes in you can see a guy with a small, hand-drawn sign that says "SStop" something...the "SS" is in Nazi style SS letters.

That is the Nazi sign? Bad news for you Nancy. That guy was calling YOU an Nazi. He was not there as a representative of Nazis Against Socialized Healthcare!

1111 kansas  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 9:19:58am

Directv scheduled between 8 and 12. So up early, and 3 1/2 hours later...not a good sign.

1112 FurryOldGuyJeans  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 9:20:02am

re: #1099 Walter L. Newton

He only wants Leftist protesters to be paid. THAT is true Democracy for Socialist.

1113 Irish Rose  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 9:20:06am

Have a great day, lizards... lots of work to be done here, and I must get to it.

1114 midwestgak  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 9:20:14am

re: #1088 Desert Dog

When God give you lemons, you make lemonade. When your pollsters give you a negative, turn it into a positive!

Like this?

1115 avanti  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 9:20:19am

re: #1091 FurryOldGuyJeans

Ah, so all the rest I said you agree with, eh?

Nice to know you now consider democracy and citizen participation in it to be unpatriotic.

Again, what is it with twisting my words to come up with that BS, I don't appreciate the snark.

1116 Kragar  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 9:20:38am

Fatah charges Israel in Arafat death

WASHINGTON (JTA) -- Fatah officials charged Israel with assassinating Yasser Arafat, yet conceded they had no proof.

They made the charges Wednesday during a stormy congress of the mainstream Palestinian national movement, the first in 20 years and since Arafat's death in 2004, in the West Bank city of Bethlehem.

Arafat died in Paris after being rushed there for emergency treatment. Israel had effectively imprisoned the longtime Palestinian leader in his headquarters in Ramallah in his final years because it held him responsible for the violence of the second Intifada.

French doctors said the cause of death was undetermined but dismissed poisoning, suggesting instead it was an infection. His widow, Suha, refused an autopsy.

Officials at the Fatah congress said Wednesday that they would leave the case open and asked for international assistance to determine the cause of death.

1117 Pianobuff  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 9:21:41am

re: #1110 Desert Dog

That is the Nazi sign? Bad news for you Nancy. That guy was calling YOU an Nazi. He was not there as a representative of Nazis Against Socialized Healthcare!

Here's the front page headline: Protester Uses Subversive Font

1118 Desert Dog  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 9:21:49am

re: #1114 midwestgak

Like this?

The Lord giveth and the government taketh away...

1119 CyanSnowHawk  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 9:23:02am

re: #1069 avanti

She was wrong, it was a SS Nazi sign.

Sure that's not just Kiss fans, they are reaching retirement age about now.
/

1120 wahabicorridor  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 9:23:25am

re: #1086 Pianobuff

Maybe one of the history buffs will know the answer to this question since it's sort of weirdly related to some of the discussions on this thread.

Was there ever a government healthcare system in Nazi Germany?

Private physicians remained private physcians. However, I think that some companies offered subsidized health care under the Nazi regime (that would have been done under Robert Ley, I believe was his name, who had the labor dossier)

1121 MJ  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 9:23:29am

re: #1116 Kragar (proud to be kafir)

This Is What Evenhandedness Looks Like

...As Khaled Abu Toameh reported at the Fatah general conference currently underway in Bethlehem, “Many Fatah operatives, including some of Abbas’s closest allies in Ramallah, have made it known that they would oppose any move to abandon the ‘armed struggle’ option.” At the conference, “Fatah leaders responded with loud applause when two terrorists who committed the worst terror attack in Israel’s history were referred to as heroic martyrs by former PA Prime Minister Abu Alaa.”

Arab member of Knesset Ahmed Tibi declared that the West Bank must be completely cleansed of Jewish residents and senior Fatah official Jibril Rajoub said that “resistance [terrorism] was and is a tactical and strategic option of the struggle [sic] are part of Fatah’s policy.”

...The Israeli ambassador to the United States, Michael Oren, has twice been summoned by the Obama administration to be lectured, first about an apartment building in East Jerusalem owned by a Jew and then about an Israeli court decision on the legal ownership of two East Jerusalem houses. Jews living in East Jerusalem are treated by the administration as a crisis with the potential to destroy the peace process; the repeated declarations over the past two weeks by high-level Palestinian officials endorsing the destruction of Israel, celebrating terrorism, and vowing “armed resistance” merit not even the slightest protest. Obama remains perfectly silent as this wave of hatred and incitement gains strength. At this juncture, a little evenhandedness would be a refreshing development.

[Link: www.commentarymagazine.com...]

1122 FurryOldGuyJeans  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 9:23:48am

re: #1115 avanti

You keep deflecting and obfuscating. Wonderful work. Try answering Walter's question.

1123 Kosh's Shadow  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 9:23:55am

re: #1081 kansas

Wonder if Dear Leader could see his way clear to produce a month in which there is actually a net gain in jobs? Can you imagine the headlines with that one?

Well, all those people the insurance companies are hiring to disrupt meetings on health care, count, don't they?
///

1124 reloadingisnotahobby  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 9:24:31am

re: #926 Spenser (with an S)
Spenser...
Had to do some work...Can ya believe that!
Yes my Bro is a conserv...
G.R. is a beautiful City...
My maternal roots are from The Ilse of Texell,Netherlands
can over after the Civil War on the "Plague Ship" Forgot the
name...Buried at sea some 200 immigrants...
G.G. Granddad was named Ellman Quarantined at Ellis...
Settled near Holland Mich...

The other side of the maternal roots go back to
New Amsterdam...Long interesting story
Are you Dutch?

1125 Irish Rose  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 9:24:35am

re: #1103 Charles

Good morning, Charles.

1126 Pianobuff  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 9:24:50am

re: #1119 CyanSnowHawk

Sure that's not just Kiss fans, they are reaching retirement age about now.
/

Thanks... I just spit up some coffee. You know Lee Majors is a spokesperson for hearing aids. I see no reason why Gene Simmons can't hawk a senior product as well.

ROTFL

1127 wahabicorridor  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 9:25:16am

re: #1094 MJ

Samantha Powers recommended Robinson. She is now married to Cass Sunstein, of his his czars.

1128 CyanSnowHawk  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 9:25:57am

re: #1090 pingjockey

Limbaugh now doing a comparison of obambis health care logo to some damn nazi logo. Sheesh. Nazis left, nazis right, find something else for an analogy!

They were evil European white guys. Can't get any more politically correct for a bad guy to compare your enemies to.

1129 unrealizedviewpoint  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 9:25:58am

re: #1076 unrealizedviewpoint

I actually don't know what she is referring to. I just thought it was loon talk. Please expand. What do you know of this SS Nazi sign?

Avanti, please answer this question. You mentioned the SS Nazi sign. What of it?

1130 FurryOldGuyJeans  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 9:26:11am

re: #1115 avanti

I find it interesting that I take your very words at face value and YOU consider it bullshit.

1131 Kosh's Shadow  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 9:26:28am

re: #1127 wahabicorridor

Samantha Powers recommended Robinson. She is now married to Cass Sunstein, of his his czars.

Figures; Powers hates Israel, and probably Jews as well.
I wonder how she and Rahm Emmanuel get along.

1132 Irish Rose  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 9:26:36am

Of course, the daughter is not ready to go shopping yet.. guess I'll hang for a bit...

1133 pingjockey  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 9:26:53am

So it's okay for movon.org and ACORN to raise millions and influence elections etc...but a bunch of folks concerned avbout health care and the ballooning nat'l debt is right out?! I see, free speech for thee but not for me. Fuck the left, Pelosi, obambi, and the oxcart they came in on.

1134 VegasRick  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 9:26:59am

[Link: www.foxnews.com...]

Wapo apologizes for "bitch" ref to Clinton. Think Palin would have got the same?

1135 avanti  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 9:26:59am

re: #1096 VegasRick

Republicanbots! Arise! March to town hall meetings! Disrupt! Yell loudly! Don't forget to wear your swaztikas!

I'm sure the guy with the SS logo was not told to make the sign, and may well have not come from suggestions to from any web site. Folks are being told to yell and disrupt, but I'll concede the sign guy was probably on his own. The interesting thing is, it was one tiny sign, at one event, by one loon, and it's national news. That's what happens when you promote the yelling and the rest, some will push the envelope.

1136 SixDegrees  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 9:27:09am

re: #1105 Killgore Trout

Those are tasteless and offensive too.

Glad to hear you say so; I heartily agree, and also abhor any speaker being shouted down during their allotted time. It doesn't matter to me who does it - it's wrong in the second instance, and juvenile in the first.

However, it's funny as hell to see the Left suddenly coming to this realization after a solid eight years of practicing exactly such tactics themselves, without so much as a peep out of the same leadership that now finds itself appalled by such behavior. "Hypocrisy" doesn't even come close to describing it without qualifiers like "extreme" or "gross".

And there's the added, delicious irony of seeing the Democrats now reaping what they so carefully sowed.

Summary: the Dems own the Federal government, top to bottom, port to starboard and stem to stern. Trying to shift blame onto the GOP for the collapse of unity within their own pary while trying to pass massively lopsided Leftist agendas that even their own constituents don't support is a development that makes me laugh and laugh at the forked tongues involved.

Like I said earlier: cry my a river.

1137 Pianobuff  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 9:27:18am

re: #1120 wahabicorridor

Private physicians remained private physcians. However, I think that some companies offered subsidized health care under the Nazi regime (that would have been done under Robert Ley, I believe was his name, who had the labor dossier)

Wow. Thanks for the info. Wasn't there actually a large US defense contractor that did a lot of healthcare innovation during WWII? Something makes me think it was the predecessor of Kaiser. Am I close?

1138 SasquatchOnSteroids  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 9:27:20am

What happened to those elderly protesters that the police removed a few days ago in front of Blinkers office ?

1139 [deleted]  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 9:27:45am
1140 unrealizedviewpoint  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 9:27:52am

re: #1133 pingjockey

So it's okay for movon.org and ACORN to raise millions and influence elections etc...but a bunch of folks concerned avbout health care and the ballooning nat'l debt is right out?! I see, free speech for thee but not for me. Fuck the left, Pelosi, obambi, and the oxcart they came in on.

1141 FurryOldGuyJeans  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 9:28:13am

re: #1135 avanti

Yup, Leftists are and were told to disrupt. "Get in their face" was the idea, wasn't it?

1142 Pianobuff  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 9:28:34am

re: #1133 pingjockey

So it's okay for movon.org and ACORN to raise millions and influence elections etc...but a bunch of folks concerned avbout health care and the ballooning nat'l debt is right out?! I see, free speech for thee but not for me. Fuck the left, Pelosi, obambi, and the oxcart they came in on.

Well, if we were really following the Left's playbook wouldn't we have billy clubs? That's apparently not a problem since the charges were dropped, right?

1143 Occasional Reader  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 9:28:49am

re: #1014 buzzsawmonkey

Obama should instead be depicted as Two-Face--not onlyat all because he is half-black and half-white

I think this is what you meant to say, buzz.

1144 pingjockey  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 9:29:26am

re: #1142 Pianobuff
Don't forget giant paper mache' heads!

1145 avanti  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 9:29:28am

re: #1119 CyanSnowHawk

Sure that's not just Kiss fans, they are reaching retirement age about now.
/

Remember the Kiss, = Kids In Satan's Service flap ?

1146 tfc3rid  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 9:29:31am

Dissent is patriotic... Pass it on!

1147 wahabicorridor  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 9:29:32am

re: #1137 Pianobuff

Wow. Thanks for the info. Wasn't there actually a large US defense contractor that did a lot of healthcare innovation during WWII? Something makes me think it was the predecessor of Kaiser. Am I close?

no clue, sorry.

1148 VegasRick  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 9:29:49am

re: #1135 avanti

I'm sure the guy with the SS logo was not told to make the sign, and may well have not come from suggestions to from any web site. Folks are being told to yell and disrupt, but I'll concede the sign guy was probably on his own. The interesting thing is, it was one tiny sign, at one event, by one loon, and it's national news. That's what happens when you promote the yelling and the rest, some will push the envelope.

MFMSM reports what they want to report not what is actually going on. That is how that happens.

1149 FurryOldGuyJeans  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 9:30:06am

re: #1135 avanti

Are you ever going to answer Walter's question?

1150 wahabicorridor  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 9:30:31am

re: #1139 buzzsawmonkey

Lest we forget, Samantha Powers is the one who, some years back, advocated that the US send in troops to force the Israelis to give the "Palestinians" a state.

And if I recall correctly, Cass Sunstein recently floated some suggestions for making blog owners liable for their commenters' statements.


ooo, let me go get my Cass links. BRB

1151 avanti  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 9:31:17am

re: #1141 FurryOldGuyJeans

Yup, Leftists are and were told to disrupt. "Get in their face" was the idea, wasn't it?

I posted the get in the faces video for you to use if you think it was sinister.

1152 Scion9  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 9:31:24am

re: #1135 avanti

Avanti, I've been to numerous protests here in DC as a spectator. I've never been to one where I couldn't spot a Swastika or some other fascist icon used in slogans or art to compare the thing being protested to Nazis. It's ridiculously common.

1153 aboo-Hoo-Hoo  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 9:31:40am

From: Mitch Stewart, BarackObama.com
Subject: Beating the scare tactics

Members of Congress have been home for just a few days, and they're already facing increased pressure from insurance companies, special interests, and partisan attack organizations that are spending millions to block health insurance reform.

These groups are using scare tactics and spreading smears about the President's plan for reform, trying to incite constituents into lashing out at their representatives and disrupting their events.

The goal of these disruptions is for a few people to get a lot of media attention and hijack the entire public discourse. If they succeed, all Americans -- Democrats, Republicans, and Independents -- will continue to struggle under the broken status quo.

It's up to us to show Congress that those loudly opposing reform are a tiny minority being stirred up by special interests, and that a huge majority strongly supports enacting real health insurance reform in 2009.

Your representative, Ron Paul, needs to hear that voters are demanding health insurance reform this year. Can you call the local office in Jackson? Let the person who answers know that you're a constituent. Then tell them: "Please fight for real health insurance reform in 2009. Americans are suffering under the current system and need change."

According to our records, you live in Texas's 14th congressional district. Please call:

Rep. Ron Paul at XXX-XXX-XXX

Once you've made your call, click here to report it.

1154 CyanSnowHawk  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 9:32:20am

re: #1126 Pianobuff

Thanks... I just spit up some coffee. You know Lee Majors is a spokesperson for hearing aids. I see no reason why Gene Simmons can't hawk a senior product as well.

ROTFL

Given Gene's propensity for marketing anything and everything he can, expect it. The guy seriously knows how to make a buck on fame.

1155 wahabicorridor  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 9:32:27am
1156 Occasional Reader  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 9:32:48am

re: #1139 buzzsawmonkey

And if I recall correctly, Cass Sunstein recently floated some suggestions for making blog owners liable for their commenters' statements.

We could put him in charge of the Special Blog Courts. And when he enters the courtroom, the bailiff would intone, "all rise... Here Comes The Sunstein. It's alright... "

1157 avanti  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 9:32:51am

re: #1149 FurryOldGuyJeans

Are you ever going to answer Walter's question?

Which one did I miss, I thought I did ?

1158 Irish Rose  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 9:32:54am

re: #1149 FurryOldGuyJeans

Are you ever going to answer Walter's question?

He did.
Didn't you read the links he posted?

1159 [deleted]  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 9:33:10am
1160 FurryOldGuyJeans  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 9:33:11am

re: #1151 avanti

The only sinister thing happening is that NOW such things are not allowed by the opposition. Can't show any disrespect to OMO and his heavenly commandments.

1161 Kosh's Shadow  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 9:33:17am

I wonder what North Korea has to say about this:
South Korea Set For First Orbital Launch Attempt

South Korea's space agency has announced it will attempt to fly its first satellite launcher next week, pending final reviews and tests.
If successful, the milestone flight would put South Korea in an elite club of spacefaring nations with a domestic orbital launch capability.

The new rocket, made from Russian and South Korean parts, could lift off as soon as Aug. 11 from the new Naro Space Center at the southern tip of the Korean peninsula, about 300 miles south of Seoul.

Engineers plan to move the 108-foot-tall rocket to the launch pad about two days prior to liftoff, where the vehicle will be lifted vertically by an erector system.

A practice countdown is on tap the day before launch, according to South Korean news reports.

The rocket can take off between Aug. 11 and Aug. 18, officials said.

Officials will try to orbit a 219-pound technology demonstration satellite using the new hybrid booster, which is called the Korea Space Launch Vehicle 1.

The KSLV 1 uses a first stage developed by Moscow-based Khrunichev, the builder of Russia's Proton rocket.

1162 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 9:33:31am

re: #1115 avanti

Again, what is it with twisting my words to come up with that BS, I don't appreciate the snark.

Seething, snark, squabbling, raging. I'm making a list. Can you help?

1163 Altermite  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 9:33:58am

re: #1099 Walter L. Newton

It's your playbook, we stole from it.

No. Its nobody's damn playbook. Its the same playbook that has been used for the past few thousand years, ever since there were enough of us around to have political factions.

Anyone pretending that shouting down, disrupting other parties meetings, mocking, protesting, etc is some sort of new phenomenon that "They" started and "we" just learned from them is deceiving themselves. Its politics. Real politics, as it has existed in just about every country, everywhere, ever since the roman empire republic, and probably even before.


The 'they' started it and 'we' just learned it from them is a symptom itself. Villify them, and cast yourself as some sort of anti-hero who has to resort to the 'foul tactics of the enemy'.

Hell, 'he started it' has been found on elementary school playgrounds since Flavius found little Brutus and baby Antony squabbling outside the senate.

1164 VegasRick  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 9:34:51am

re: #1162 Walter L. Newton

Seething, snark, squabbling, raging. I'm making a list. Can you help?

lieing

1165 Irish Rose  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 9:34:59am

re: #1154 CyanSnowHawk

Given Gene's propensity for marketing anything and everything he can, expect it. The guy seriously knows how to make a buck on fame.

Any way to make use of that tongue? It's a freakin' goldmine!

/did I really say that on a public forum?

1166 avanti  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 9:35:04am

re: #1152 Scion9

Avanti, I've been to numerous protests here in DC as a spectator. I've never been to one where I couldn't spot a Swastika or some other fascist icon used in slogans or art to compare the thing being protested to Nazis. It's ridiculously common.

I agree, and it's silly by either side. I only mentioned it when I corrected the comment about it being a swastika by Pelosi.

1167 redstateredneck  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 9:35:29am

re: #1152 Scion9

Avanti, I've been to numerous protests here in DC as a spectator. I've never been to one where I couldn't spot a Swastika or some other fascist icon used in slogans or art to compare the thing being protested to Nazis. It's ridiculously common.


I can't tell you how many emails I received from my lib brother that were Bush is Hitler, Cheney is a Fascist, blah, blah, blah.

1168 Pianobuff  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 9:35:47am

re: #1154 CyanSnowHawk

Given Gene's propensity for marketing anything and everything he can, expect it. The guy seriously knows how to make a buck on fame.

Gene no doubt is tucked away at KISS Army headquarters plotting his takeover of the clapper and home elevator industry.

On a kind of sad note, I had heard that Peter Criss ended up homeless in Venice, CA. Not sure if he is even alive these days.

Dressed to Kill, Destroyer, Love Gun... ahhh the good old days. with platform shoes, pancake makeup and lots of dripping fake blood.

1169 CyanSnowHawk  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 9:35:52am

re: #1134 VegasRick

[Link: www.foxnews.com...]

Wapo apologizes for "bitch" ref to Clinton. Think Palin would have got the same?

Probably not, FoxNew$ only reported the first two words they said, here is the whole thing, "We're sorry, we thought you were talking about Palin."

1170 SasquatchOnSteroids  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 9:36:05am

re: #1159 buzzsawmonkey

Isn't he selling something which is alleged to provide significant male tongue enhancement?

Taster's Choice ?

1171 HoosierHoops  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 9:36:09am

re: #1138 SasquatchOnSteroids

What happened to those elderly protesters that the police removed a few days ago in front of Blinkers office ?

You mean the senior citizens removed from Sen Feinstein's office?
The one's that were offered a personal appointment today if they would just come back...today...
But the Pub on removing grandma and grandpa from a United States Senator's office is powerful mojo.
How dare the police remove grandma?
/personally for sit in's I prefer College students...You would think Senior citizens would call ahead for an appointment...Pretend it's a tee-time or something...
/

1172 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 9:36:09am

re: #1163 Altermite

No. Its nobody's damn playbook. Its the same playbook that has been used for the past few thousand years, ever since there were enough of us around to have political factions.

Anyone pretending that shouting down, disrupting other parties meetings, mocking, protesting, etc is some sort of new phenomenon that "They" started and "we" just learned from them is deceiving themselves. Its politics. Real politics, as it has existed in just about every country, everywhere, ever since the roman empire republic, and probably even before.

The 'they' started it and 'we' just learned it from them is a symptom itself. Villify them, and cast yourself as some sort of anti-hero who has to resort to the 'foul tactics of the enemy'.

Hell, 'he started it' has been found on elementary school playgrounds since Flavius found little Brutus and baby Antony squabbling outside the senate.

I know that, I'm just putting this in a contemporary context. Progressives would shit in their pants if we conducted real politics the way they have been carried out in the past.

Anyone up for a duel?

1173 formercorpsman  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 9:36:40am

re: #1115 avanti

I will admit, I just signed on. I have checked a couple of times to see if there might have been a response to something I posted in response to you just the other day.

You claiming something like this is rich.

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

1174 FurryOldGuyJeans  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 9:36:41am

Oh yeah, Time is once again at the forefront of the cutting edge of investigative journalism, getting to the heart of issues of deep concern to most Americans, by devoting considerable space to Obama's golf game:

The First Duffer

1175 Occasional Reader  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 9:37:06am

re: #1161 Kosh's Shadow

The new rocket, made from Russian and South Korean parts,

Part Zaporozhets, part Hyundai... what could possibly go wrong?

/

1176 JohnnyReb  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 9:37:32am

re: #1135 avanti

I'm sure the guy with the SS logo was not told to make the sign, and may well have not come from suggestions to from any web site. Folks are being told to yell and disrupt, but I'll concede the sign guy was probably on his own. The interesting thing is, it was one tiny sign, at one event, by one loon, and it's national news. That's what happens when you promote the yelling and the rest, some will push the envelope.


No that is what happens when the speaker of the house, number three in line for the President lies through her teeth and makes it national news. We had nearly 8 years of the Bush/Hitler line that was never called out by anyone in power, yet this one tiny sign in one rally becomes national news? Come on, she wants to distract the country away from a crappy bill that she can't get passed even with a super majority of her own part in power.

1177 reine.de.tout  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 9:37:50am

re: #1084 avanti

Please don't misrepresent what I said. I never said "paid "but many were sent just to disrupt. Follow some of the links mentioned in the MSM yourself.
here's one news piece with some links to the conservative sites.

Avanti - in that piece, I see that people were encouraged to attend, to ask questions, etc. Perhaps there were instructins to "disrupt", but I don't see it in the article.

NYT

Organized effort vs. grass-roots effort is wrong . . . how?

Mr. Doggett said: “This is not a grass-roots effort. This is a very coordinated effort where the local Republican Party, the local conservative meet-up groups sent people to my event.”


Encouraging people to ask questions is wrong . . . how?

The effort to flood events held by Democratic lawmakers appears to be part of a concerted strategy that began earlier in the spring at the behest of conservative, libertarian and antitax groups.

Having a "concerted strategy" is wrong . . . how?

One group, called Right Principles, which sent protesters to an event in May held by Representative Jim Himes, a freshman Democrat from Connecticut, has distributed a memorandum laying out strategies to “pack the hall” and pummel lawmakers with questions.


Encouraging voters and citizens to make their views known is wrong . . . how?

In Virginia, Bill Wilson, the president of Americans for Limited Government, a conservative group, issued a clarion call on Monday for protests against Representative Tom Periello, another freshman Democrat. Mr. Wilson urged residents of Mr. Periello’s district to “hold rallies, demonstrations, tea parties and protests in opposition to Barack Obama’s insidious efforts to take over the health system.


Asking these questions and expecting an answer is wrong . . . how?

In Washington, Amy Menefee, a spokeswoman for Americans for Prosperity, said her group was encouraging members to attend town-hall-style meetings and ask questions, including whether the lawmaker has read the entire health care bill. Ms. Menefee said her group was encouraging its members to “be respectful.”
1178 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 9:38:00am

Did anyone find a link to some photographic proof of Polosi's claims about Nazi symbols? Or some sort of proof other than her saying it. Hell, she could be lying.

1179 [deleted]  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 9:38:07am
1180 avanti  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 9:38:18am

re: #1160 FurryOldGuyJeans

The only sinister thing happening is that NOW such things are not allowed by the opposition. Can't show any disrespect to OMO and his heavenly commandments.

Ok, we are talking past each other. Opposition is fine, but the town hall equivalent of piling on and shutting down discussion is wrong no matter who is in power, and I'm sick of the we're no worse then the other guy lament.

1181 FurryOldGuyJeans  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 9:38:41am

re: #1158 Irish Rose

He did.
Didn't you read the links he posted?

Had already read them, long before he posted them. More justification than explanation.

1182 wahabicorridor  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 9:38:51am

re: #1169 CyanSnowHawk

Probably not, FoxNew$ only reported the first two words they said, here is the whole thing, "We're sorry, we thought you were talking about Palin."

WaPo not only apologized, they killed the whole idea. "It wasn't as funny as we thought it would be"

YA THINK?!

1183 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 9:39:00am

re: #1177 reine.de.tout

Because it's conservative that are doing this, silly.

1184 Ward Cleaver  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 9:39:04am

I was just looking at Fox's site, and I see that Beck has a title for Linda Douglass - "disinformation czar". I know that Beck's a kook, but he's dead-on with that one.

1185 VegasRick  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 9:39:05am

re: #1177 reine.de.tout

It's called Sunshine. The libs hate it.

1186 Kosh's Shadow  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 9:39:39am

re: #1175 Occasional Reader

Part Zaporozhets, part Hyundai... what could possibly go wrong?

/

The Zaporozhets looks like a Chevy Corvair - and has the same arrangement (rear engine, air cooled).

1187 CyanSnowHawk  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 9:39:52am

re: #1145 avanti

Remember the Kiss, = Kids In Satan's Service flap ?

I went to a Catholic elementary school and wore one of those big oval belt buckles so popular in the 70s with Kiss logos on it. I heard all about that kind of stuff. Only from the other kids though, the adults couldn't care less.

1188 [deleted]  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 9:39:58am
1189 Pianobuff  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 9:40:07am

re: #1174 FurryOldGuyJeans

Oh yeah, Time is once again at the forefront of the cutting edge of investigative journalism, getting to the heart of issues of deep concern to most Americans, by devoting considerable space to Obama's golf game:

The First Duffer

Excellent story choice considering the magazine. In fact, the editorial staff over at Time could probably devote half of the story just to ball-washing.

1190 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 9:40:32am

re: #1180 avanti

Ok, we are talking past each other. Opposition is fine, but the town hall equivalent of piling on and shutting down discussion is wrong no matter who is in power, and I'm sick of the we're no worse then the other guy lament.

No it's not. Why? Tell me, other than just saying it's wrong. Give me a coherent reason.

1191 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 9:40:58am

re: #1184 Ward Cleaver

I was just looking at Fox's site, and I see that Beck has a title for Linda Douglass - "disinformation czar". I know that Beck's a kook, but he's dead-on with that one.

Do not quote anything from Beck.
///

1192 reloadingisnotahobby  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 9:41:14am

re: #1178 Walter L. Newton

The Eight Ball Say's...
Sadly ,Odds are against it!

1193 FurryOldGuyJeans  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 9:41:20am

re: #1180 avanti

Why is it wrong NOW?

1194 Desert Dog  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 9:41:22am

re: #1093 KingKenrod

It was at the Lloyd Doggett protest.


About two minutes in you can see a guy with a small, hand-drawn sign that says "SStop" something...the "SS" is in Nazi style SS letters.

A poorly handwritten sign with "SS" on it. It was calling the Democrats Nazis. Somehow, Nancy converted that into something else.

1195 Irish Rose  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 9:41:44am

Not leaving, but I am making myself a BLT.
Just thought I'd mention.

BBQ chips, anyone? Fresh bag!

1196 Desert Dog  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 9:42:11am

re: #1186 Kosh's Shadow

The Zaporozhets looks like a Chevy Corvair - and has the same arrangement (rear engine, air cooled).

I bet it pumps in loads of CO into the car like the Corvair did too

1197 Pianobuff  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 9:42:35am

re: #1178 Walter L. Newton

Did anyone find a link to some photographic proof of Polosi's claims about Nazi symbols? Or some sort of proof other than her saying it. Hell, she could be lying.

There's a youtube upthread of some people chanting "just say no" at some healthcare event. About halfway through it a sign comes into view with a couple of words beginning with "S" (socialism might be one of the words). The font style for the s is that angular kind that one would see in "SS" lettering.

I don't know if there is anything else but that's all I've seen so far.

1198 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 9:42:36am

re: #1192 reloadingisnotahobby

The Eight Ball Say's...
Sadly ,Odds are against it!

I don't understand, do we know for sure someone was flashing Nazi symbols?

1199 Ward Cleaver  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 9:42:36am

re: #1178 Walter L. Newton

Did anyone find a link to some photographic proof of Polosi's claims about Nazi symbols? Or some sort of proof other than her saying it. Hell, she could be lying.

Somebody upthread said it was an SS logo. It could have been in the context of 0bama's "flag" thing re 0bamacare.

1200 avanti  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 9:42:44am

re: #1178 Walter L. Newton

Did anyone find a link to some photographic proof of Polosi's claims about Nazi symbols? Or some sort of proof other than her saying it. Hell, she could be lying.

It was the SS symbol on one small sign by one fruitcup, see the link upthread.

1201 [deleted]  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 9:43:06am
1202 FurryOldGuyJeans  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 9:43:36am

re: #1201 buzzsawmonkey

What does the "OMO" reference stand for?

Our Man Obama.

1203 redstateredneck  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 9:43:36am

Did everybody go to lunch or what?

1204 reine.de.tout  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 9:44:10am

re: #1203 redstateredneck

Did everybody go to lunch or what?

I'm having lunch rat cheer.

1205 VegasRick  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 9:44:33am

re: #1193 FurryOldGuyJeans

Why is it wrong NOW?

The libs are in power.

1206 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 9:44:59am

re: #1197 Pianobuff

There's a youtube upthread of some people chanting "just say no" at some healthcare event. About halfway through it a sign comes into view with a couple of words beginning with "S" (socialism might be one of the words). The font style for the s is that angular kind that one would see in "SS" lettering.

I don't know if there is anything else but that's all I've seen so far.

Then in that case, I would say very clever. Graphic art and symbiotic examples like that are strong messages. I would say spot on. It's no different than suggesting that Obama has socialistic tendencies, which we have heard over and over, here and other places.

If that what the dust up is all about, I'd say right on.

1207 midwestgak  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 9:45:08am

re: #1177 reine.de.tout

Wow. Well done, {reine}.

1208 avanti  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 9:45:17am

re: #1178 Walter L. Newton

Did anyone find a link to some photographic proof of Polosi's claims about Nazi symbols? Or some sort of proof other than her saying it. Hell, she could be lying.

2:03 in, by the stop sign in the background. Much ado about one fruitcup.

SS..

1209 Scion9  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 9:45:22am

It's really ironic that Pelosi's rebuttal for being basically called a Nazi is to insinuate the ones making the claim are in fact the Nazis. Am not! You are!

1210 Desert Dog  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 9:45:24am

re: #1204 reine.de.tout

I'm having lunch rat cheer.

rats? I hope you are putting lots and lots of that cajun spice and Tabasco on them! :-)

1211 SasquatchOnSteroids  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 9:45:46am

re: #1203 redstateredneck

Did everybody go to lunch or what?

Someone finally broke open the Pinata.

C-A-N-D-Y !

1212 CyanSnowHawk  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 9:45:48am

re: #1159 buzzsawmonkey

Isn't he selling something which is alleged to provide significant male tongue enhancement?

There's an Onion news story in there somewhere. Maybe even SNL could do something funny with it (if they tried real hard not to be stupid).

1213 Ward Cleaver  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 9:45:48am

re: #1186 Kosh's Shadow

The Zaporozhets looks like a Chevy Corvair - and has the same arrangement (rear engine, air cooled).

The stlying of the later models is somewhat reminiscent of the early ('60-'63) Ford Falcon, at least the sides.

1214 HoosierHoops  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 9:46:03am

re: #1195 Irish Rose

Not leaving, but I am making myself a BLT.
Just thought I'd mention.

BBQ chips, anyone? Fresh bag!

I hate Bacon..But replace that with roasted Turkey with lettuce and tomato and pepper and mayo..On 7 grain bread.. I'm in heaven...No chips thanks..A dill pickle! Heaven...

1215 Desert Dog  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 9:46:17am

re: #1209 Scion9

It's really ironic that Pelosi's rebuttal for being basically called a Nazi is to insinuate the ones making the claim are in fact the Nazis. Am not! You are!

Oh yea? Well, I'm rubber and you're glue, whatever you say bounces off me and sticks on you! :-P

1216 reine.de.tout  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 9:46:24am

re: #1210 Desert Dog

rats? I hope you are putting lots and lots of that cajun spice and Tabasco on them! :-)

Tabasco on everything.
And "rat cheer" = "right here"

1217 redstateredneck  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 9:46:59am

re: #1204 reine.de.tout

I'm having lunch rat cheer.

My page wasn't reloading. I thought I was all by myself!

1218 jcm  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 9:47:08am

re: #1133 pingjockey

So it's okay for movon.org and ACORN to raise millions and influence elections etc...but a bunch of folks concerned avbout health care and the ballooning nat'l debt is right out?! I see, free speech for thee but not for me. Fuck the left, Pelosi, obambi, and the oxcart they came in on.

The left a few years ago... Dissent is Patriotic.

The left now... Dissent is a Mob.

1219 Desert Dog  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 9:47:38am

re: #1216 reine.de.tout

Tabasco on everything.
And "rat cheer" = "right here"

I know...I was just teasing...I can understand your colorful regional slang. :-)

1220 Ward Cleaver  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 9:47:38am

re: #1216 reine.de.tout

Tabasco on everything.
And "rat cheer" = "right here"

And as Justin Wilson would say, "rat now".

1221 Kosh's Shadow  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 9:47:43am

re: #1213 Ward Cleaver

The stlying of the later models is somewhat reminiscent of the early ('60-'63) Ford Falcon, at least the sides.

Another POS. I had a relative who bought a 62 Falcon, and got rid of it after 2 years (instead of her usual 4)

1222 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 9:47:47am

re: #1200 avanti

It was the SS symbol on one small sign by one fruitcup, see the link upthread.

No, it was just told to me that it was a symbiotic use of the style of representing the letters "SS" to say something about "Socialism ?"

Big difference. It would be the same as the Obama poster, which was used SO much by the left, showing the red and blue image of Obama in a "Che" sort of mode.

Once again, a smart use of symbiotic art to bring a message right to the front of your brain. And the left LOVED that poster (and the right complained).

Good for the man who made that poster.

1223 HoosierHoops  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 9:47:59am

re: #1216 reine.de.tout

Tabasco on everything.
And "rat cheer" = "right here"

Hey you! I'm now starving...

1224 formercorpsman  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 9:48:20am

It is useless.

1225 redstateredneck  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 9:48:47am

re: #1216 reine.de.tout

Tabasco on everything.
And "rat cheer" = "right here"

Kinda like, "Djeet yet?"

1226 Desert Dog  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 9:48:53am

re: #1218 jcm

I think that screeed by Hillary cost her the election. She came across like the Wicked Witch of the West in that...I get pains just thinking about that...ahhh!

1227 Pianobuff  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 9:48:59am

re: #1209 Scion9

It's really ironic that Pelosi's rebuttal for being basically called a Nazi is to insinuate the ones making the claim are in fact the Nazis. Am not! You are!

Not only Nazis... but she says that the swastika-bearers are actually the ones sent by the insurance companies IIRC.

1228 VegasRick  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 9:49:32am

re: #1218 jcm

My ears are now bleeding from the Hillary rant.

1229 J.D.  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 9:49:36am

re: #1224 formercorpsman

It is useless.

Futile.

1230 FurryOldGuyJeans  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 9:49:46am

re: #1214 HoosierHoops

I hate Bacon..But replace that with roasted Turkey with lettuce and tomato and pepper and mayo..On 7 grain bread.. I'm in heaven...No chips thanks..A dill pickle! Heaven...

You need Bacon Salt, "Everything should taste like bacon".

Certified Kosher! ;)

1231 redstateredneck  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 9:49:49am

re: #1220 Ward Cleaver

And as Justin Wilson would say, "rat now".

reine will get this one...
Price LeBlanc would say, "dahhhlin'"
:D

1232 reine.de.tout  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 9:49:54am

re: #1225 redstateredneck

Kinda like, "Djeet yet?"

One of my personal faves - really great catchall - is:
fixena -
"I'm fixena go to the store".

1233 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 9:50:00am

re: #1227 Pianobuff

Not only Nazis... but she says that the swastika-bearers are actually the ones sent by the insurance companies IIRC.

Wait, now I'm confused again. Was there a symbiotic use of the letters "SS" or was there a swastika?

1234 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 9:50:22am

BBIAB - got to help the Direct TV guy.

1235 redstateredneck  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 9:51:12am

re: #1221 Kosh's Shadow

Another POS. I had a relative who bought a 62 Falcon, and got rid of it after 2 years (instead of her usual 4)

'64 Falcon was my older brother's present for college graduation!

1236 FurryOldGuyJeans  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 9:51:33am

re: #1227 Pianobuff

Not only Nazis... but she says that the swastika-bearers are actually the ones sent by the insurance companies IIRC.

Capitalism is the enemy to American Socialism, or so has Queen Bee said recently.

1237 J.D.  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 9:51:33am

re: #1232 reine.de.tout

One of my personal faves - really great catchall - is:
fixena -
"I'm fixena go to the store".

I like this one I heard in Panama City when we were getting on the elevator:
"Watcheorm".

1238 redstateredneck  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 9:51:54am

re: #1232 reine.de.tout

One of my personal faves - really great catchall - is:
fixena -
"I'm fixena go to the store".

Unless you're south of I-10 and then it's "gonna pass by and make groceries"

1239 saberry0530  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 9:52:03am

just got this in an email. Found it interesting. ANybody know about the Dr. Vaknin??
Dr. Vaknin states, "I must confess I was impressed by Sen.
Barack Obama from the first time I saw him. At first I was
excited to see a black candidate. He looked youthful, spoke
well, appeared to be confident - a wholesome presidential
package. I was put off soon, not just because of his shallow-
ness but also because there was an air of haughtiness in his
demeanor that was unsettling. His posture and his body
language were louder than his empty words. Obama's
speeches are unlike any political speech we have heard in
American history. Never a politician in this land had such quasi
"religious" impact on so many people. The fact that Obama is
a total incognito with zero accomplishment, makes this inexplic-
able infatuation alarming. Obama is not an ordinary man. He
is not a genius. In fact, he is quite ignorant on most important
subjects." Barack Obama is a narcissist.

Dr. Sam Vaknin, the author of the "Malignant Self Love"
believes "Barack Obama appears to be a narcissist." Vaknin
is a world authority on narcissism. He understands narcissism
and describes the inner mind of a narcissist like no other person.
When he talks about narcissism everyone listens. Vaknin says
Obama's language, posture and demeanor and the testimonies
of his closest, dearest and nearest suggest that the Senator is
either a narcissist or he may have narcissistic personality
disorder (NPD). Narcissists project a grandiose but false
image of themselves.

Jim Jones, the charismatic leader of 'People's Temple ', the man
Temple ', the man who led over 900 of his followers to cheerfully
commit mass suicide and even murder their own children was
also a narcissist. David Koresh, Charles Manson, Joseph Koni,
Shoko Asahara, Stalin, Saddam, Mao, Kim Jong III and Adolph
Hitler are a few examples of narcissists of our time. All these
men had a tremendous influence over their fanciers. They
created a personality cult around themselves and with their
blazing speeches elevated their admirers, filled their hearts with
enthusiasm and instilled in their minds a new zest for life. They
gave them hope! They promised them the moon, but alas,
invariably they brought them to their doom.

1240 KenJen  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 9:52:04am

I had an idea last night. Tell me if this sounds good. A fried green tomato BLT? BLFGT. My tomatoes in the garden have refused to turn red.

1241 SasquatchOnSteroids  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 9:52:22am

re: #1225 redstateredneck

Kinda like, "Djeet yet?"

Reminds me of when I was a squatch and played one of the three firemen at our church's Christmas play.
One of our relatives was visiting and asked afterwards why we weren't the 3 wise men.
Well, it says in the good book that 3 men came from A Far.

/local talkin'

1242 midwestgak  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 9:52:24am

re: #1229 J.D.

Futile.

Talking about resistance?/

1243 [deleted]  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 9:52:40am
1244 Pianobuff  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 9:52:44am

re: #1233 Walter L. Newton

Wait, now I'm confused again. Was there a symbiotic use of the letters "SS" or was there a swastika?

No swastika. The point was that Queen Nan had a stack of errors, not just one.

1245 albusteve  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 9:52:46am

re: #1224 formercorpsman

It is useless.

yup

1246 FurryOldGuyJeans  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 9:52:53am

re: #1240 KenJen

I had an idea last night. Tell me if this sounds good. A fried green tomato BLT? BLFGT. My tomatoes in the garden have refused to turn red.

I blame it all on alGore. ;)

1247 avanti  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 9:53:22am

re: #1222 Walter L. Newton

No, it was just told to me that it was a symbiotic use of the style of representing the letters "SS" to say something about "Socialism ?"

Big difference. It would be the same as the Obama poster, which was used SO much by the left, showing the red and blue image of Obama in a "Che" sort of mode.

Once again, a smart use of symbiotic art to bring a message right to the front of your brain. And the left LOVED that poster (and the right complained).

Good for the man who made that poster.

I don't agree that a Nazi SS symbol has any association with the health care bill, and is a offensive and harmful symbol for either side to use. Good for the man that made the poster ? It would be a wet dream for the left to have more like him.

1248 Desert Dog  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 9:53:28am

re: #1246 FurryOldGuyJeans

I blame it all on alGore. ;)

Global warming, Global cooling, your choice

1249 J.D.  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 9:54:26am

re: #1242 midwestgak

Talking about resistance?/


Riiight./

1250 Buck  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 9:54:27am

re: #1248 Desert Dog

Global warming, Global cooling, your choice

Global CHANGE!

1251 wahabicorridor  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 9:55:22am

re: #1239 saberry0530

I have his book - someone, iceweasel, I think, pointed out that he is not a psychologist - I think he's a sociologist. He self-publishes the book, so it's not cheap. I liked it tho'

1252 HoosierHoops  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 9:55:29am

re: #1230 FurryOldGuyJeans

You need Bacon Salt, "Everything should taste like bacon".

Certified Kosher! ;)

LOL
Good day Jean guy!
That is just so wrong...Bacon Salt!
:)
/They will never find me dead some day with my hands clutched to a bottle of Bacon Salt...

1253 redstateredneck  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 9:55:49am

re: #1239 saberry0530

Where was this guy before the election?

1254 VegasRick  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 9:55:54am

re: #1248 Desert Dog

Global warming, Global cooling, your choice

Gorebull drooling!

1255 reloadingisnotahobby  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 9:56:00am

re: #1191 Walter L. Newton

I listen to Beck every now and then.
I think he's halarious,Nuts,a little over the top!
75% of what he's accused of saying was toge in cheek.

1256 FurryOldGuyJeans  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 9:56:03am

re: #1243 buzzsawmonkey

Thank you. I was hoping "OMO" was something Melvillian, but Obama really isn't the type for that.

Blame the OMO on me. So many see the man as the essence of 60's spy cool it was a natural coining.

Having just started an I, Spy DVD marathon when I first typed it might also have had something to do with it. ;)

1257 Desert Dog  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 9:56:29am

re: #1247 avanti

I don't agree that a Nazi SS symbol has any association with the health care bill, and is a offensive and harmful symbol for either side to use. Good for the man that made the poster ? It would be a wet dream for the left to have more like him.

Calling the Democrats Nazis is a dream come true? That is what that guy was doing, you realize, yes? That sign did not say: "Nazi's Against Socialized Medicine" It said "SSTop this Heathare plan" or something along those lines. Insinuating that the Democrats in congress are acting like Nazis.

1258 saberry0530  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 9:56:31am

re: #1251 wahabicorridor

I have his book - someone, iceweasel, I think, pointed out that he is not a psychologist - I think he's a sociologist. He self-publishes the book, so it's not cheap. I liked it tho'

Thanks. Have to get the book now and read it.

1259 HoosierHoops  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 9:56:44am

re: #1240 KenJen

I had an idea last night. Tell me if this sounds good. A fried green tomato BLT? BLFGT. My tomatoes in the garden have refused to turn red.

Yummy...With turkey..A big bird sandwich

1260 unrealizedviewpoint  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 9:57:10am

re: #1184 Ward Cleaver

I was just looking at Fox's site, and I see that Beck has a title for Linda Douglass - "disinformation czar". I know that Beck's a kook, but he's dead-on with that one.

Beck happens to be dead-on with a lot. Unfortunately many dismiss him entirely because his shtick is so overwhelming.

1261 wahabicorridor  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 9:57:13am

re: #1240 KenJen

I had an idea last night. Tell me if this sounds good. A fried green tomato BLT? BLFGT. My tomatoes in the garden have refused to turn red.

Oh, our local produce store got green tomatoes in last week. I've been making them every day. You DO know to fry them in bacon fat, right? Mom used an egg dip, but I prefer buttermilk.

1262 keithgabryelski  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 9:57:19am

re: #1177 reine.de.tout

Organized effort vs. grass-roots effort is wrong . . . how?

In this case, the problem is that people are posing a concerned citizens when it seems the organizing group has given them a lot of false information (like: the government will kill your grandmother).

In addition, A grass roots efforts typically means from the local community up -- about a specific issue that directly affects that community, not from a national organization which attempts to organize and claim it is only from the local community.

... But you probably knew that.

Encouraging people to ask questions is wrong . . . how?

No one is claiming that. They are asking that people ask those questions and let others ask questions and let the people you ask questions of "answer those questions".

... But you probably knew that.

Having a "concerted strategy" is wrong . . . how?

No one is claiming that. Having a concerted strategy TO DISRUPT LEGITIMATE DEBATE is the issue.

... But you probably knew that.

Encouraging voters and citizens to make their views known is wrong . . . how?

No one is claiming that. It's about preventing others from making their views known that is the problem.

... But you probably knew that.

Asking these questions and expecting an answer is wrong . . . how?

No one is claiming that. Asking a question then getting your group to yell over the speaker so the answer can't be given is the problem.

... But you probably knew that, too

1263 SixDegrees  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 9:57:23am

re: #1247 avanti

Good for the man that made the poster ? It would be a wet dream for the left to have more like him.

Uh - the Left already has hundreds of thousands just like him. Stuff "Bushitler" into Google Images and see what turns up.

The thick glaze of irony and hypocrisy that comes with the Left's denouncement of such tactics is a source of delight to me, as much as I deplore the tactics themselves.

1264 [deleted]  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 9:57:56am
1265 redstateredneck  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 9:58:01am

re: #1248 Desert Dog

Global warming, Global cooling, your choice

You didn't get the memo? It's temperature change now.

1266 midwestgak  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 9:58:19am

re: #1249 J.D.

Riiight./

Seen Milton's stapler lately?

1267 Kosh's Shadow  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 9:58:33am

re: #1252 HoosierHoops

LOL
Good day Jean guy!
That is just so wrong...Bacon Salt!
:)
/They will never find me dead some day with my hands clutched to a bottle of Bacon Salt...

I'm afraid someday they'll find me
Stretched out on my bed
With a handful of Pringle's potato chips
And a Ding Dong by my head

By daytime, I'm Mr. Natural, just as healthy as you can be
But at night, I'm a junk food junkie, good L-rd, have pity on me

1268 FurryOldGuyJeans  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 9:58:48am

re: #1252 HoosierHoops

LOL
Good day Jean guy!
That is just so wrong...Bacon Salt!
:)
/They will never find me dead some day with my hands clutched to a bottle of Bacon Salt...

I found out about the product only because my local grocery store had it and is now trying to get rid of it after they discontinued ordering more. Asked the stocker about it, seeing it and a LARGE discontinued sticker on the shelf, and he said not a single unit had sold in nearly six months.

1269 reloadingisnotahobby  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 9:58:49am

re: #1198 Walter L. Newton

Blinky is claiming Nazi's showed up right?
But the question is ...were the signs calling this Admin Nazis!
Have I got that right Walter...
Sorry,I've been in and out all morning...
But!
SHE IS A DIM BULB!!

1270 CyanSnowHawk  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 10:00:06am

re: #1195 Irish Rose

Not leaving, but I am making myself a BLT.
Just thought I'd mention.

BBQ chips, anyone? Fresh bag!

Everything's better with bacon!

You know what's so good about Jews and Muslims not eating bacon?
More for me!

1271 FurryOldGuyJeans  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 10:00:55am

re: #1269 reloadingisnotahobby

Blinky is claiming Nazi's showed up right?
But the question is ...were the signs calling this Admin Nazis!
Have I got that right Walter...
Sorry,I've been in and out all morning...
But!
SHE IS A DIM BULB!!

She's a wet match in a damp cave.

/ Spongebob Squarepants reference.

1272 Scion9  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 10:01:01am

re: #1247 avanti

I agree, it is dumb. The link I posted above is obviously to a satire site, but it's disturbingly spot on. It's amazing how just about any person or any position is dangerously close to Hitler or Nazism, depending on who you are talking to

1273 reloadingisnotahobby  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 10:01:12am

re: #1270 CyanSnowHawk

HOG!!!
/

1274 Desert Dog  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 10:01:26am

re: #1271 FurryOldGuyJeans

SpongeBob always merits an upding

1275 SixDegrees  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 10:01:30am

re: #1263 SixDegrees

Uh - the Left already has hundreds of thousands just like him. Stuff "Bushitler" into Google Images and see what turns up.

The thick glaze of irony and hypocrisy that comes with the Left's denouncement of such tactics is a source of delight to me, as much as I deplore the tactics themselves.

I can't help but be reminded of this:

1276 FurryOldGuyJeans  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 10:02:18am

re: #1274 Desert Dog

SpongeBob always merits an upding

Heh. ;)

1277 avanti  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 10:02:25am

re: #1263 SixDegrees

Uh - the Left already has hundreds of thousands just like him. Stuff "Bushitler" into Google Images and see what turns up.

The thick glaze of irony and hypocrisy that comes with the Left's denouncement of such tactics is a source of delight to me, as much as I deplore the tactics themselves.

Again, the "other guys did it" rational for disgusting behavior. I'd love to spent the day explaining why I'm not found of unwarranted Nazi associations by anyone, but I have other things to do, so I'm off to get something productive done.

1278 HoosierHoops  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 10:02:40am

re: #1268 FurryOldGuyJeans

I found out about the product only because my local grocery store had it and is now trying to get rid of it after they discontinued ordering more. Asked the stocker about it, seeing it and a LARGE discontinued sticker on the shelf, and he said not a single unit had sold in nearly six months.

Why not save all that bacon grease in a big bowl and microwave it and drink it straight? yummy...favor!
/I am in so much trouble...Reine..I'm justa teasing...
//Oh Noes! ouch!

1279 MandyManners  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 10:03:39am

re: #1239 saberry0530

I had FCBBHO pegged very quickly.

1280 [deleted]  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 10:03:40am
1281 SixDegrees  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 10:03:51am

re: #1277 avanti

Again, the "other guys did it" rational for disgusting behavior. I'd love to spent the day explaining why I'm not found of unwarranted Nazi associations by anyone, but I have other things to do, so I'm off to get something productive done.

Apparently, you're too busy to actually bother reading what I wrote.

1282 SasquatchOnSteroids  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 10:03:52am

re: #1270 CyanSnowHawk

Everything's better with bacon!

You know what's so good about Jews and Muslims not eating bacon?
More for me!

Mini me has this annoying habit whenever we go out for breakfast of snatching your bacon if you look elsewhere. Just waiting for the right moment. I have to eat it first now.

1283 Kragar  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 10:04:01am

re: #1274 Desert Dog

SpongeBob always merits an upding

ALL HAIL THE MAGIC CONCH! ULULULULULULULULU!

1284 Kosh's Shadow  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 10:04:06am

Ya think?
Bibi's Ministers: No Chance for Peace with PA

Senior members of the cabinet despaired of the chance for peace between Israel and the Palestinian Authority on Thursday, following Fatah's decision to accuse Israel of killing former PA Chairman Yasser Arafat. The accusation was made during the Fatah international leadership convention in Bethlehem.

The accusation casts serious doubts on Israel's ability to make progress in negotiations with Fatah head Mahmoud Abbas, who also heads the PA, said ministers Eli Yishai and Yisrael Katz.

"The Fatah conference and the decision regarding Arafat prove that [Abbas] is not a leader, but rather, is led, towards bizarre and extremist anti-Israel positions,” Katz told Ynet.


It surprised me it took them so long to figure it out!

1285 saberry0530  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 10:05:11am

re: #1284 Kosh's Shadow

Ya think?
Bibi's Ministers: No Chance for Peace with PA


It surprised me it took them so long to figure it out!

Israel is at war with Pennsylvania?

///

1286 SasquatchOnSteroids  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 10:05:26am

re: #1283 Kragar (proud to be kafir)

ALL HAIL THE MAGIC CONCH! ULULULULULULULULU!

A squirrel living under the sea. What the hell is she running from ?

/

1287 wahabicorridor  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 10:05:27am

HEY PIANOBUFF!

I may have found something about Kaiser, healthcare, WWII.

Kaiser was an engineer who had the company that built Hoover Dam. He teamed up with a physician by the name of Garfield.

1288 Kragar  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 10:05:35am

re: #1284 Kosh's Shadow

Ya think?
Bibi's Ministers: No Chance for Peace with PA


It surprised me it took them so long to figure it out!

Didn't they get Obama's memo or listen to the Cairo speech?

1289 J.D.  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 10:05:45am

re: #1266 midwestgak

Seen Milton's stapler lately?

Milton?

1290 Windhorse  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 10:06:16am

astro-turf my ass.

1291 CyanSnowHawk  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 10:06:17am

re: #1265 redstateredneck

You didn't get the memo? It's temperature change now.

Uh oh, it's just a matter of time before they break out the big thermometer and try to stick it somewhere 'unpleasant.'

1292 reloadingisnotahobby  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 10:06:18am

re: #1285 saberry0530

LOL
Of course! Aren't you!
/

1293 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 10:06:37am

re: #1247 avanti

I don't agree that a Nazi SS symbol has any association with the health care bill, and is a offensive and harmful symbol for either side to use. Good for the man that made the poster ? It would be a wet dream for the left to have more like him.

You never answered the second part of my comment. So, you must have thought that the red and blue "che" styled poster that became so popular among the left was offensive and harmful symbol for the left to use?

1294 Millicent Islam  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 10:06:44am

re: #1247 avanti

I don't agree that a Nazi SS symbol has any association with the health care bill, and is a offensive and harmful symbol for either side to use. Good for the man that made the poster ? It would be a wet dream for the left to have more like him.

Indeed. And the SS symbol associated with the health care bill absolutely is being done on purpose, to tie in with the lies about euthanisia the GOP is currently spreading to terrify people. Williful misreading of sec 1233.

1295 Kosh's Shadow  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 10:07:09am

re: #1285 saberry0530

Israel is at war with Pennsylvania?

///

I know you know who it refers to, the misnamed Palestinian "Authority".
Why do I now have this image of Abbas riding a Big Wheel, telling people "You must respect mah authority!"

1296 reine.de.tout  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 10:07:14am

re: #1278 HoosierHoops

Why not save all that bacon grease in a big bowl and microwave it and drink it straight? yummy...favor!
/I am in so much trouble...Reine..I'm justa teasing...
//Oh Noes! ouch!

hehehe.
HH - a dab of bacon grease truly makes almost any vegetable tastier.
It really does.
I will admit I have to take cholesterol med . . . maybe that's why eh?

1297 FurryOldGuyJeans  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 10:07:52am

re: #1277 avanti

If you weren't so busy trying to stoke the issue in such a blatantly self-serving manner you might find a lot more people agreeing with "it is bad no matter who".

1298 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 10:08:14am

re: #1277 avanti

Again, the "other guys did it" rational for disgusting behavior. I'd love to spent the day explaining why I'm not found of unwarranted Nazi associations by anyone, but I have other things to do, so I'm off to get something productive done.

re: #1294 iceweasel

Indeed. And the SS symbol associated with the health care bill absolutely is being done on purpose, to tie in with the lies about euthanisia the GOP is currently spreading to terrify people. Williful misreading of sec 1233.

Can you say timing?

1299 MJ  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 10:08:16am

re: #1284 Kosh's Shadow

It will not matter. There is nothing the Palestinians could do that would derail the Obama Administration from creating a terror state next to Israel ( though the Obama Administration would prefer that it replace Israel).

The State Dept. will not even bother to condemn this this move.

1300 jcm  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 10:08:17am

re: #1279 MandyManners

I had FCBBHO pegged very quickly.

You had insider info, being reformed and all!

1301 Irenike  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 10:08:19am

Is anybody out there worried that the White House wants citizens to inform on other citizens who spread "disinformation" about Obamacare? The links to articles are on Drudge. Texas Republican Cornyn sent a memo to the White House, arguing that such "enemy list" tactics chill free speech.

Here is the article.

Thank God somebody is standing up against such Fascist tactics. And Pelosi has the nerve to call anti-Obamacare protesters nazis. What a bitch.

1302 reine.de.tout  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 10:08:29am

re: #1231 redstateredneck

reine will get this one...
Price LeBlanc would say, "dahhhlin'"
:D

Preceded by "****ry sasage too!".
You know they really do give out sausage with a purchase?

1303 Kosh's Shadow  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 10:08:31am

re: #1296 reine.de.tout

hehehe.
HH - a dab of bacon grease truly makes almost any vegetable tastier.
It really does.
I will admit I have to take cholesterol med . . . maybe that's why eh?

Jews use chicken fat instead.
Just schmaltz everything up. No wonder so many Jews became cardiologists.

1304 CIA Reject  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 10:08:31am

re: #1291 CyanSnowHawk

Uh oh, it's just a matter of time before they break out the big thermometer and try to stick it somewhere 'unpleasant.'

Old FD/EMS joke from back home:

Q: What's the difference between an oral thermometer and a rectal thermometer?

A: The taste!

1305 FurryOldGuyJeans  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 10:09:03am

re: #1298 Walter L. Newton

Can you say timing?

Tag team talking points regurgitation.

1306 Millicent Islam  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 10:09:10am

re: #1298 Walter L. Newton

Can you say timing?

Yeah, my Soros-funded batphone went off. "Lib posting on LGF! Beep beep!"

1307 CyanSnowHawk  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 10:09:18am

re: #1285 saberry0530

Israel is at war with Pennsylvania?

///

Well, it ain't Ma Kettle's husband they're talking about.

1308 SasquatchOnSteroids  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 10:09:19am

re: #1304 CIA Reject

Old FD/EMS joke from back home:

Q: What's the difference between an oral thermometer and a rectal thermometer?

A: The taste!

yeee.

1309 Irish Rose  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 10:09:58am

re: #1298 Walter L. Newton

Can you say timing?

You never quit, do you?

1310 wahabicorridor  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 10:10:33am

re: #1301 Irenike

You know what I think? I doubt the WH and any idea how this was going to come across. I'll bet they were think of web sites that, like Drudge, are aggregators that they aren't aware of or something.

They are so clueless.

1311 gymmom  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 10:10:34am

re: #1296 reine.de.tout

I grew up in WV and our vegetables ALWAYS had bacon grease on them. No wonder I grew up eating all my veggies. First time I cooked green beans on my own I was at a loss since I didn't have a can of bacon grease in the fridge. Do now though. My kids love their veggies too. Ane they love bacon gravy - just throw flour into the grease, once it's thick add milk, salt and pepper. Pour over anything.

1312 Kosh's Shadow  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 10:10:35am

re: #1304 CIA Reject

Old FD/EMS joke from back home:

Q: What's the difference between an oral thermometer and a rectal thermometer?

A: The taste!

Under Obamacare, that we'll change.
Because we'll all get it up the ass.

1313 SasquatchOnSteroids  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 10:10:57am

Justyn Tyme.

Lunch has arrived.

1314 Desert Dog  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 10:11:07am

re: #1294 iceweasel

Indeed. And the SS symbol associated with the health care bill absolutely is being done on purpose, to tie in with the lies about euthanisia the GOP is currently spreading to terrify people. Williful misreading of sec 1233.

You're right. From now on, if we hear some evil Republicans cooking up some "fishy" stories about Healthcare, we should turn them in immediately! :-)

1315 FurryOldGuyJeans  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 10:11:31am

re: #1301 Irenike

Worried? No.

Absolutely livid about the blatant hypocrisy on display regarding erosion of Constitutional protection in pursuit of an agenda, yes.

1316 Kosh's Shadow  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 10:12:03am

re: #1313 SasquatchOnSteroids

Justyn Tyme.

Lunch has arrived.

Justin Thyme.
I had to spice it up a bit.

1317 SixDegrees  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 10:12:26am

re: #1297 FurryOldGuyJeans

If you weren't so busy trying to stoke the issue in such a blatantly self-serving manner you might find a lot more people agreeing with "it is bad no matter who".

I agreed with him, and he completely ignored it, turning around and accusing me of doing what I had just denounced.

1318 wahabicorridor  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 10:12:27am

re: #1311 gymmom

just throw flour into the grease, once it's thick add milk buttermilk, salt and pepper.


Better.

1319 FurryOldGuyJeans  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 10:12:28am

re: #1294 iceweasel

Indeed. And the SS symbol associated with the health care bill absolutely is being done on purpose, to tie in with the lies about euthanisia the GOP is currently spreading to terrify people. Williful misreading of sec 1233.

Time for you to inform on anyone showing any resistance to the agenda.

1320 midwestgak  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 10:12:35am

re: #1289 J.D.

Milton?

Reference to "Office Space." Milton Waddams mumbled when he talked.

Your use of riiight reminded me of it.

1321 keithgabryelski  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 10:12:41am

re: #1177 reine.de.tout

Organized effort vs. grass-roots effort is wrong . . . how?

Grass roots typically notes a movement by the local community on a subject of specific interest to that community. Not, as we seem to be seeing here, a national organization getting groups together to claim themselves as local activists. This is called "concern trolling" on forums.

There also seems to be a serious problem with the national organization feeding incredibly bogus information to these people to rile them up (the government will kill your grandmother, for instance).

... But you probably already knew that.

Encouraging people to ask questions is wrong . . . how?

No one is claiming that. The problem comes when people are instructed to disrupt others from asking questions and from the speaker answering any question asked.

... But you probably already knew that.

Having a "concerted strategy" is wrong . . . how?

No one is claiming that. The problem of small groups of people distrupting a larger group that is attempting legetimate debate but shouting down any opinion that isn't closely tied to their own.

... But you probably already knew that.

Encouraging voters and citizens to make their views known is wrong . . . how?

No one is claiming that is "not wrong". There is, however, a concerted effort in these groups to only allow one side to present their arguments and people are asked to "shut down" and "shout down" any other discussion (or answers). That is wrong.

... But you probably already knew that.

Asking these questions and expecting an answer is wrong . . . how?

No one is claiming that, but shouting down a speaker before they are allowed to answer a question is not "legitamate discussion".

... But you probably already knew that, too.

1322 SasquatchOnSteroids  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 10:12:58am

re: #1316 Kosh's Shadow

Justin Thyme.
I had to spice it up a bit.

Better. Half a cheesesteak to you.

1323 Desert Dog  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 10:13:05am

I am off to make obscene profits and crush the little guy...wish me luck!

1324 Irish Rose  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 10:13:16am

re: #1311 gymmom

Ane they love bacon gravy - just throw flour into the grease, once it's thick add milk, salt and pepper. Pour over anything.

Biscuits with milk gravy, HELL yeah!

1325 HoosierHoops  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 10:13:34am

re: #1296 reine.de.tout

hehehe.
HH - a dab of bacon grease truly makes almost any vegetable tastier.
It really does.
I will admit I have to take cholesterol med . . . maybe that's why eh?

I knew I was in trouble when I posted that...I was just teasing you Reine...
But Bacon Grease? LOL
/You know I hate 90% of all food...Right? It's just me..I love da reine!

1326 Kragar  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 10:13:34am

re: #1304 CIA Reject

Old FD/EMS joke from back home:

Q: What's the difference between an oral thermometer and a rectal thermometer?

A: The taste!

A nurse passes a doctor and asks him, "Doctor, why do you have a thermometer tucked behind your ear?"

The doctor checks, "Damn, some asshole has my pen!"

1327 [deleted]  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 10:13:46am
1328 J.D.  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 10:13:49am

re: #1323 Desert Dog

I am off to make obscene profits and crush the little guy...wish me luck!

You go!

1329 Millicent Islam  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 10:13:57am

re: #1296 reine.de.tout

hehehe.
HH - a dab of bacon grease truly makes almost any vegetable tastier.
It really does.
I will admit I have to take cholesterol med . . . maybe that's why eh?

I must say some of the best food I have ever! had in my life was all in the american South.

1330 aboo-Hoo-Hoo  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 10:14:38am
1331 J.D.  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 10:14:40am

re: #1320 midwestgak

Duh.

1332 gymmom  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 10:14:44am

I forgot to mention, I have one living Grandfather - almost 110 - and another grandmother who lived to 95. The other two died of cancer in their mid 70's. Breast and Lung - smoker. No problems from the bacon grease if you eat all your veggies! ; )

1333 MandyManners  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 10:14:46am

re: #1300 jcm

You had insider info, being reformed and all!

Oh, yes for his politics but, his narcissistic personality disorder stood out for those who'd done a bit of research into PD's.

1334 FurryOldGuyJeans  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 10:15:08am

re: #1323 Desert Dog

I am off to make obscene profits and crush the little guy...wish me luck!

Just make sure you do your patriotic duty and give all over to the gubmint in taxes. Only they know how to run, well, EVERYTHING!.

1335 wahabicorridor  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 10:15:12am

re: #1329 iceweasel

I must say some of the best food I have ever! had in my life was all in the american South.

Oh yeah! Red beans and rice, gumbo, oh my goodness.

1336 Leonidas Hoplite  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 10:15:19am

re: #1323 Desert Dog

I am off to make obscene profits and crush the little guy...wish me luck!

You must be a member of congress...

1337 Gus  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 10:15:35am

re: #1294 iceweasel

Indeed. And the SS symbol associated with the health care bill absolutely is being done on purpose, to tie in with the lies about euthanisia the GOP is currently spreading to terrify people. Williful misreading of sec 1233.

When you say "this is being done on purpose" you're implying that it is a theme at these town hall event. One (1) man with one quickly hand made sign with the word "stop" utilizing the SS symbol for the first letter does not make a movement.

This is irrelevant and it being used by the DNC to discredit the opposition. Furthermore, as distasteful as it may seem to some it is protected speech and this individual had every right under the Constitution to express himself in this manner.

1338 SixDegrees  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 10:15:53am

re: #1330 aboo-Hoo-Hoo

This is the infamous SS symbol?

These people are the horrible storm-troopers.

geesh

They must be; they're pretty well dressed, if you ask me. Suspicious.

1339 HoosierHoops  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 10:15:54am

re: #1329 iceweasel

I must say some of the best food I have ever! had in my life was all in the american South.

I'm very picky Ice...Hey I teased you so bad upthread I'm still laughing...
hope today finds you well

1340 SasquatchOnSteroids  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 10:15:57am

re: #1327 buzzsawmonkey

Crushed little guys spread nicely on freshly baked bread.

With just a touch of Miracle Whipped.
*crack

1341 Millicent Islam  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 10:16:05am

re: #1319 FurryOldGuyJeans

Time for you to inform on anyone showing any resistance to the agenda.

There's been a concerted effort to spread lies, distortions, and misinformation about health care reform. That's not 'resistance to the agenda'. People are being lied to about what the agenda even is.

1342 CIA Reject  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 10:16:29am

re: #1326 Kragar (proud to be kafir)

A nurse passes a doctor and asks him, "Doctor, why do you have a thermometer tucked behind your ear?"

The doctor checks, "Damn, some asshole has my pen!"

LOL!

1343 J.D.  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 10:16:37am

re: #1341 iceweasel

There's been a concerted effort to spread lies, distortions, and misinformation about health care reform. That's not 'resistance to the agenda'. People are being lied to about what the agenda even is.

Yeah.
We know.

1344 Gus  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 10:16:52am

re: #1338 SixDegrees

They must be; they're pretty well dressed, if you ask me. Suspicious.

Judging people by how well they are dressed. Hmmm, isn't that profiling?

//Run for the hills!

/

1345 SixDegrees  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 10:17:01am

re: #1341 iceweasel

There's been a concerted effort to spread lies, distortions, and misinformation about health care reform. That's not 'resistance to the agenda'. People are being lied to about what the agenda even is.

By both sides.

1346 avanti  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 10:17:08am

re: #1317 SixDegrees

I agreed with him, and he completely ignored it, turning around and accusing me of doing what I had just denounced.

I owe you a apology, I misread your comment as excusing the SS thing because the left did it. My bad, again, sorry. Now I really need to go.

1347 Millicent Islam  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 10:17:13am

re: #1335 wahabicorridor

Oh yeah! Red beans and rice, gumbo, oh my goodness.

Jambalaya! Biscuits and gravy! just everything!

1348 MandyManners  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 10:18:06am

re: #1284 Kosh's Shadow

The accusation was made during the Fatah international leadership convention in Bethlehem.

Some would call that a target-rich environment.

1349 HoosierHoops  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 10:18:30am

re: #1340 SasquatchOnSteroids

With just a touch of Miracle Whipped.
*crack

There should be a law against Miracle whip.. unless you can prove you are a little old grandma torturing your grandkids...Then by all means...

1350 keithgabryelski  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 10:18:33am

re: #1337 Gus 802

This is irrelevant and it being used by the DNC to discredit the opposition. Furthermore, as distasteful as it may seem to some it is protected speech and this individual had every right under the Constitution to express himself in this manner.

You seem to be allowing for the sign-holder's first amendment rights but not the right of the DNC to have and present an opposing position to him.

1351 Millicent Islam  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 10:18:37am

re: #1339 HoosierHoops

I'm very picky Ice...Hey I teased you so bad upthread I'm still laughing...
hope today finds you well

Hey cutie!

I haven't read the whole thread yet by a long shot! Where were you teasing me, you naughty thing?

hope you're well!
(love me some Hoops!)

1352 Irish Rose  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 10:18:54am

re: #1347 iceweasel

Jambalaya! Biscuits and gravy! just everything!

A big batch of greens with smoked ham and seasonings... mmm

1353 wahabicorridor  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 10:19:17am

re: #1347 iceweasel

Jambalaya! Biscuits and gravy! just everything!

collard greens and southern fried chicken! (which ALSO requires buttermilk. heh)

1354 Kosh's Shadow  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 10:19:31am

re: #1352 Irish Rose

A big batch of greens with smoked ham and seasonings... mmm

This is turning into the non-kosher food thread.
Fortunately, I just ate.

1355 Dianna  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 10:19:39am

My stomach hurts too much for this whole food thread.

1356 FurryOldGuyJeans  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 10:19:40am

re: #1341 iceweasel

There's been a concerted effort to spread lies, distortions, and misinformation about health care reform. That's not 'resistance to the agenda'. People are being lied to about what the agenda even is.

I also see a vast concerted effort to spread hope and change BS about the issue, starting at 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue.

The Vast Right Wing Conspiracy meme, so popular with the Clinton administration, lives on.

1357 John Neverbend  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 10:19:44am

Is it just my browser IE v. 6, but I can't login using the fields at the top left hand corner of the opening page, as the login button doesn't stand up? It also didn't work last night on my laptop which is IE v. 7.

1358 unrealizedviewpoint  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 10:20:06am

re: #1341 iceweasel

There's been a concerted effort to spread lies, distortions, and misinformation about health care reform. That's not 'resistance to the agenda'. People are being lied to about what the agenda even is.

What you and they are saying is the lie. My God man!

1359 MandyManners  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 10:20:12am

Will protest against FCBBHO's attempt to destroy our nation's medical establishment now be called "fascist"?

1360 Irish Rose  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 10:20:17am

re: #1354 Kosh's Shadow

This is turning into the non-kosher food thread.
Fortunately, I just ate.

It's my fault, I mentioned bacon.
Sorry lol.

1361 Gus  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 10:20:41am

re: #1350 keithgabryelski

You seem to be allowing for the sign-holder's first amendment rights but not the right of the DNC to have and present an opposing position to him.

Well, since you bring that up I suppose you're right.

1362 sngnsgt  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 10:20:49am

After 6 Months, More View Obama's Presidency as a 'Failure' Than Bush's

Real Clear Politics

1363 [deleted]  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 10:20:51am
1364 wahabicorridor  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 10:21:17am

re: #1357 John Neverbend

Is it just my browser IE v. 6, but I can't login using the fields at the top left hand corner of the opening page, as the login button doesn't stand up? It also didn't work last night on my laptop which is IE v. 7.

I'm using IE 6 and it's fine. I was upgraded to IE 7 last week and it 'broke' LGF among other sites, so I had it backed out.

1365 redstateredneck  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 10:21:19am

re: #1296 reine.de.tout

hehehe.
HH - a dab of bacon grease truly makes almost any vegetable tastier.
It really does.
I will admit I have to take cholesterol med . . . maybe that's why eh?

Southern style veggies have a higher fat content that a lot of other main dishes.

1366 Dianna  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 10:21:31am

re: #1357 John Neverbend

I don't know. I think a lot of folks use IE of various vintages.

Did you sign in in the field at the bottom? I've had to do that in Firefox on my home machine, but I've suspected my machine, more than the program.

1367 MandyManners  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 10:21:46am

Is everyone protesting a dupe?

1368 Leonidas Hoplite  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 10:21:51am

re: #1360 Irish Rose

It's my fault, I mentioned bacon.
Sorry lol.

Did someone say BACON?

1369 Millicent Islam  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 10:22:11am

re: #1356 FurryOldGuyJeans

I also see a vast concerted effort to spread hope and change BS about the issue, starting at 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue.

The Vast Right Wing Conspiracy meme, so popular with the Clinton administration, lives on.

I'm not seeing it. I checked this out fairly thoroughly. Not an expert on it-- the legislation is HUGE, and ongoing-- but fairly up to speed on it.

In any case, I think it's quite unlikely to pass--especially in its current format.

1370 FurryOldGuyJeans  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 10:22:14am

re: #1354 Kosh's Shadow

This is turning into the non-kosher food thread.
Fortunately, I just ate.

Bacon Salt, it's Kosher!

"Everything tastes better with bacon"

1371 Learned Mother of Zion  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 10:22:15am

re: #1354 Kosh's Shadow

This is turning into the non-kosher food thread.
Fortunately, I just ate.

We don't eat milk with meat or bacon, and yet we have great food!

Yesterday I made from-scratch falafel, deep fried, with tahina and hot pepper spread.
The night before I made broiled wings, marinated in teriyaki and white wine, and home fried.
Haven't decided what's on the menu for this evening, but I'm thinking mushroom lasagna.

1372 CyanSnowHawk  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 10:22:19am

re: #1367 MandyManners

Is everyone protesting a dupe?

Every time they protest one of Obama's policy they are.

1373 Kragar  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 10:23:00am

'Negotiations on Mars have a better chance of materializing than talks in our region'

Minister Katz, who had already spoken out against the congress before it had convened, added to his enraged response that Israel's government should announce that the Palestinians will not be considered partners for peace talks "until the decision is withdrawn and the Palestinians announce their intention to recognize Israel as a Jewish state and cede the right of return".

"Seeing as the Palestinians have revealed their true colors, Israel should toughen its stance on security except for gestures towards them," Katz added. "Abu Mazen and his friends have proved with this decision, as with their renewed cry for armed resistance against Israel, that they don't want peace but are looking for any way to destroy Israel as a Jewish state."

1374 John Neverbend  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 10:23:13am

re: #1364 wahabicorridor

I'm using IE 6 and it's fine. I was upgraded to IE 7 last week and it 'broke' LGF among other sites, so I had it backed out.

Interesting. The problem seems to be limited to my particular configuration at home and work. I'll try a different browser at home.

1375 Gus  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 10:23:25am

re: #1367 MandyManners

Is everyone protesting a dupe?

UNCLE? ;)

1376 CyanSnowHawk  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 10:23:33am

re: #1368 Leonidas Hoplite

Did someone say BACON?

OMG.

File-> Send Link -> to the home email account.

1377 wahabicorridor  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 10:23:50am

re: #1371 Alouette

Hi there! The book and DVD I ordered from Zionist Mall arrived yesterday. Nice turnaround!

1378 Millicent Islam  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 10:24:00am

re: #1363 buzzsawmonkey


It is the concept of the government running people's lives and making their decisions for them that is the problem, wholly apart from any of these details.

Yeah, this is the concern that would have merit-- if it were true. It isn't.

1379 Scion9  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 10:24:02am

re: #1350 keithgabryelski

You seem to be allowing for the sign-holder's first amendment rights but not the right of the DNC to have and present an opposing position to him.

This is the most unintentionally hilarious thing anyone has ever posted here.

1380 Irish Rose  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 10:24:18am

re: #1365 redstateredneck

Southern style veggies have a higher fat content that a lot of other main dishes.

Down with turkey bacon!
Up! with pork side meat, and applewood-smoked thick cut bacon!

No substitutions, dammit!

1381 redstateredneck  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 10:24:23am

re: #1347 iceweasel

Jambalaya! Biscuits and gravy! just everything!

Biscuits and tomato gravy. Now you're talkin'!

1382 VioletTiger  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 10:25:14am

re: #1337 Gus 802

When you say "this is being done on purpose" you're implying that it is a theme at these town hall event. One (1) man with one quickly hand made sign with the word "stop" utilizing the SS symbol for the first letter does not make a movement.

This is irrelevant and it being used by the DNC to discredit the opposition. Furthermore, as distasteful as it may seem to some it is protected speech and this individual had every right under the Constitution to express himself in this manner.


The DEMS can try to paint the protests as astroturf all they want. The polls are saying that Americans do not want this. The Tiger household had this poll last night.

1383 Irish Rose  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 10:25:20am

re: #1368 Leonidas Hoplite

Did someone say BACON?

... damn, that looks good!

1384 HoosierHoops  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 10:25:27am

re: #1351 iceweasel

Hey cutie!

I haven't read the whole thread yet by a long shot! Where were you teasing me, you naughty thing?

hope you're well!
(love me some Hoops!)

Hello Ice..Sorry I teased you...Somebody thought you were a guy and of course I have the piks of you on the Beach topless...I promised not to post them if you don't post my pics...Deal?
LOL
Hope you are well

1385 redstateredneck  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 10:25:35am

re: #1349 HoosierHoops

There should be a law against Miracle whip.. unless you can prove you are a little old grandma torturing your grandkids...Then by all means...

My children agree. When we go to Missouri to visit relatives and they can't get mayo and sweet tea, the bitchin' comences!

1386 wahabicorridor  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 10:25:49am

re: #1381 redstateredneck

Biscuits and tomato gravy. Now you're talkin'!

Tomato gravy? recipe, please!

1387 JohnnyReb  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 10:25:52am

re: #1310 wahabicorridor

You know what I think? I doubt the WH and any idea how this was going to come across. I'll bet they were think of web sites that, like Drudge, are aggregators that they aren't aware of or something.

They are so clueless.

This administration reminds me of the Robo cop # 2 movie (or is it #3) where they have the touchy feely meeting where everyone gets to have input on Robo's memory, and he literally melts down. They just come up with what someone thinks is a good idea, call each other brilliant and put it out there.

They are not stupid, after all, they did win right?

1388 John Neverbend  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 10:25:56am

re: #1366 Dianna

I don't know. I think a lot of folks use IE of various vintages.

Did you sign in in the field at the bottom? I've had to do that in Firefox on my home machine, but I've suspected my machine, more than the program.

Yes, that's the only way I could sign in by going to the end of a non-private thread.

While we're on the subject, I noticed that links sometimes appear in a comment in bold blue text only but at other times there is the word "Link" in square brackets. How does one post a link in a thread such as this one with the word "Link", other than manually typing [Link:] before the blue text?

1389 Millicent Islam  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 10:25:58am

re: #1380 Irish Rose

Down with turkey bacon!
Up! with pork side meat, and applewood-smoked thick cut bacon!

No substitutions, dammit!

No bacon, no peace!

I'm a lib. If we're having a protest I'll help organise the signs and slogans!

1390 SixDegrees  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 10:26:03am

re: #1368 Leonidas Hoplite

Did someone say BACON?

Don't forget the Bacon Flowchart.

1391 [deleted]  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 10:26:07am
1392 keithgabryelski  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 10:26:39am

re: #1359 MandyManners

Will protest against FCBBHO's attempt to destroy our nation's medical establishment now be called "fascist"?

Oh PUHLEASE. You understand the issues, here, right.?

If someone physically attacks a U.S. congressman at one of these rallies to suppress attempts to describe and disseminate information on this healthcare plan and you are against that being called fascism, well ... your argument is with the dictionary.

1393 Buck  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 10:27:26am

re: #1348 MandyManners

The accusation was made during the Fatah international leadership convention in Bethlehem.

Some would call that a target-rich environment.

Well, if I were them, I wouldn't drink the water... if you know what I mean.

1394 jcm  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 10:27:31am

re: #1341 iceweasel

There's been a concerted effort to spread lies, distortions, and misinformation about health care reform. That's not 'resistance to the agenda'. People are being lied to about what the agenda even is.

Like the (D)s have never done that. It's politics, its not pretty, but that's what it is.

I don't give a rats ass what's in or not in the Health care bill, especially since the bills not finished and we don't know what's in there, and God knows how many place holders and how many hundreds of pages will be appended at 3:00am the day of the vote.
It's the largest nationalization of the private sector economy in history.
We simply cannot afford it, CBO's conclusion not mine.
Finally most importantly it is the largest diminution of Individual Liberty since the New Deal.

1395 Millicent Islam  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 10:27:48am

re: #1384 HoosierHoops

Hello Ice..Sorry I teased you...Somebody thought you were a guy and of course I have the piks of you on the Beach topless...I promised not to post them if you don't post my pics...Deal?
LOL
Hope you are well

I'd never post your pics, Hoops-- I want to keep them all to myself!

(Ix-nay on my each-bay oobs-bay pix! shhh...)

1396 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 10:27:49am

Did everybody see my 614?

1397 Gus  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 10:27:52am

re: #1382 VioletTiger

The DEMS can try to paint the protests as astroturf all they want. The polls are saying that Americans do not want this. The Tiger household had this poll last night.

Odd isn't it? The King of Astro Turfing, David Axelrod, is sitting in the White House and the DNC is telling us that this is astro turfing. Meanwhile polls suggest an opposition or suspicion to the health care proposals being pushed by the Democrats.

1398 VegasRick  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 10:27:55am

re: #1378 iceweasel

Yeah, this is the concern that would have merit-- if it were true. It isn't.

Why do you say that?

1399 Kragar  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 10:28:12am

For the real bacon lovers, there is bacon lube

1400 keithgabryelski  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 10:28:45am

re: #1379 Scion9

This is the most unintentionally hilarious thing anyone has ever posted here.

In what way is it hilarious? BTW, did you notice the person I was responding to agreed with my observation?

1401 Dianna  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 10:28:48am

re: #1388 John Neverbend

I always use the dialog box, so the happy bold blue text appears where one sees "Your Text to Link".

1402 Irish Rose  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 10:28:51am

re: #1389 iceweasel

No bacon, no peace!

I'm a lib. If we're having a protest I'll help organise the signs and slogans!

Can I help with the giant papier-mache puppet heads?

1403 apachegunner  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 10:28:58am

re: #1384 HoosierHoops

Hello Ice..Sorry I teased you...Somebody thought you were a guy and of course I have the piks of you on the Beach topless...I promised not to post them if you don't post my pics...Deal?
LOL
Hope you are well

yeah, and I said you were HOT

1404 apachegunner  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 10:29:14am

not Hoops but ICE

1405 FurryOldGuyJeans  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 10:29:14am

re: #1392 keithgabryelski

Oh, so now a physical attack is being talked to harshly.

/ gotta get the new talking points memo, otherwise I might just use the rule of law as the sole reference.

1406 redstateredneck  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 10:29:15am

re: #1386 wahabicorridor

Tomato gravy? recipe, please!

Hmmm, recipe...
You just take your skillet after you've fried bacon or sausage and pour off some of the grease, brown a couple tablespoons of flour, pour in a can of stewed tomatoes or better yet, home canned and let it cook down until it thickens. Bake you up some biscuits and dig in!

1407 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 10:29:20am

re: #1309 Irish Rose

You never quit, do you?

I suspect (although I can't be sure, but I will be told) that Ice understands me and humorous sarcasm. In fact, if you noticed, he/she posted a humorous return to my comment.

So there :)

1408 John Neverbend  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 10:29:23am

re: #1388 John Neverbend

How does one post a link in a thread such as this one with the word "Link", other than manually typing [Link:] before the blue text?

OK, I figured it out. Just don't use the links icon.

1409 Millicent Islam  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 10:29:44am

re: #1382 VioletTiger

The DEMS can try to paint the protests as astroturf all they want. The polls are saying that Americans do not want this. The Tiger household had this poll last night.

They are astroturfed.
[Link: thinkprogress.org...]

And it's working. The people who 'don't want' health care reform are people who don't know, or understand, what reforms are even being proposed.

1410 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 10:30:16am

re: #1407 Walter L. Newton

Is "Nyah!" the correct spelling?

Or do you just go, "neener"?

1411 Russkilitlover  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 10:31:07am

re: #1341 iceweasel

ThePeople are being lied to about what the agenda even is.

You finally figured it out?! Good for you, you're on to this Admini's bevy of scams. It's your first step toward enlightenment. ;)

1412 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 10:31:19am

re: #1410 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Is "Nyah!" the correct spelling?

Or do you just go, "neener"?

"So there" is so much more sofistacatted.

1413 Scion9  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 10:31:20am

re: #1392 keithgabryelski


If someone physically attacks a U.S. congressman at one of these rallies to suppress attempts to describe and disseminate information on this healthcare plan and you are against that being called fascism, well ... your argument is with the dictionary.

Dude, you are so over the top it's comical.

1414 Millicent Islam  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 10:31:37am

re: #1407 Walter L. Newton

I suspect (although I can't be sure, but I will be told) that Ice understands me and humorous sarcasm. In fact, if you noticed, he/she posted a humorous return to my comment.

So there :)

You're cool, Walter. At least, I think you are, and I feel like we get each other. :)

I should hate you forever for getting me addicted to LOST, though. Damn you!

1415 redstateredneck  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 10:31:38am

re: #1406 redstateredneck

Note to 'mater gravy recipe:

You may have to add a little water if your tomatoes aren't juicy enough.

1416 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 10:32:00am

re: #641 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Oh Crap! 641!

1417 Dianna  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 10:32:15am

Wait, is someone saying that a congresscritter has been physically assaulted at a town hall? You're not serious, are you?

1418 Mad Al-Jaffee  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 10:32:23am

re: #1222 Walter L. Newton

No, it was just told to me that it was a symbiotic use of the style of representing the letters "SS" to say something about "Socialism ?"

Maybe he was just a fan of Suzanne Summers. :)

1419 Gus  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 10:33:01am

re: #1409 iceweasel

They are astroturfed.
[Link: thinkprogress.org...]

And it's working. The people who 'don't want' health care reform are people who don't know, or understand, what reforms are even being proposed.

I noticed that article was posted by Lee Fang:

Lee Fang
Researcher

Lee Fang is a Researcher for The Progress Report and ThinkProgress.org at the Center for American Progress Action Fund. Lee is a lifelong resident of Prince George’s County, Maryland, and holds a B.A. in government and politics from the University of Maryland, College Park. Previously, Lee interned with ThinkProgress and worked as a researcher for Progressive Accountability. During college, Lee held internships with Media Matters for America, Congresswoman Stephanie Tubbs Jones (D-OH), and Westin Rinehart.

Astro turfing the astro turf.

1420 CyanSnowHawk  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 10:33:45am

re: #1399 Kragar (proud to be kafir)

For the real bacon lovers, there is bacon lube

Check the date on that post.

/I so wanted it to be real.

1421 wahabicorridor  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 10:33:45am

re: #1396 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Did everybody see my 614?

I didn't. What did you say?

1422 redstateredneck  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 10:34:26am

re: #1417 Dianna

Wait, is someone saying that a congresscritter has been physically assaulted at a town hall? You're not serious, are you?

Think he was making a bit of a leap there.

1423 FurryOldGuyJeans  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 10:34:37am

re: #1409 iceweasel

Think Progress. Now there's a middle of the road centrist site.

//

1424 Scion9  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 10:35:15am

re: #1417 Dianna

Wait, is someone saying that a congresscritter has been physically assaulted at a town hall? You're not serious, are you?

Yes, he's serious, although not 'serious' in the sense that his statement is factual. Also, a guy holding a sign comparing the healthcare plan to a Nazi program is preventing the DNC their "Right" to an opposing view.

Also, the lumpenprole Communist revolutionaries at the turn of the last century were Fascists, according to the dictionary. I've learned much.

1425 Irish Rose  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 10:35:34am

re: #1399 Kragar (proud to be kafir)

For the real bacon lovers, there is bacon lube

I could get into that.

1426 FurryOldGuyJeans  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 10:35:58am

re: #1409 iceweasel

They are astroturfed.
[Link: thinkprogress.org...]

And it's working. The people who 'don't want' health care reform are people who don't know, or understand, what reforms are even being proposed.

Gee, and our Representatives who are voting on the bill do know what all the provisions are? They won't even bother reading the fool thing!

1427 wahabicorridor  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 10:36:02am

re: #1415 redstateredneck

Note to 'mater gravy recipe:

You may have to add a little water if your tomatoes aren't juicy enough.

Thank you!

1428 VioletTiger  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 10:36:08am

re: #1409 iceweasel

They are astroturfed.
[Link: thinkprogress.org...]

And it's working. The people who 'don't want' health care reform are people who don't know, or understand, what reforms are even being proposed.

I think they know and understand more than you think and they know and understand what it will do to the deficit. Even the CBO will they us that much.
I am sure some of the protesters were organized, but I don't see what is wrong with that.
Look at all of the organizating that went into the Obama campaign.
Now the shoe is on the other foot. (And I must get back to work).

1429 Millicent Islam  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 10:36:18am

re: #1394 jcm

Like the (D)s have never done that. It's politics, its not pretty, but that's what it is.

I don't give a rats ass what's in or not in the Health care bill, especially since the bills not finished and we don't know what's in there, and God knows how many place holders and how many hundreds of pages will be appended at 3:00am the day of the vote.
It's the largest nationalization of the private sector economy in history.
We simply cannot afford it, CBO's conclusion not mine.
Finally most importantly it is the largest diminution of Individual Liberty since the New Deal.

CBO has walked back their initial claims about the money.
It's also not a 'nationalisation' of the health care system.
Finally, I'm not seeing the diminishing of individual liberties that you're claiming.

However, I do agree with you that all kinds of amendments and changes are going to be made to the current proposal. Also, I seriously doubt much of anything will be passed, ultimately. There's too much resistance to it on both sides of the aisle.

Now I have to go check out the top of the thread where people were apparently talking about those pix Hoops has of me. Dammit!

1430 wahabicorridor  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 10:36:46am

re: #1416 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Oh Crap! 641!

didn't see that one either

:)

1431 Dianna  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 10:36:53am

re: #1422 redstateredneck

Think he was making a bit of a leap there.

Good, because that's seriously unacceptable.

1432 Millicent Islam  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 10:37:17am

re: #1416 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Oh Crap! 641!

Favourited. Thanks, FBV!

1433 pink freud  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 10:37:18am

re: #1251 wahabicorridor

I have his book - someone, iceweasel, I think, pointed out that he is not a psychologist - I think he's a sociologist. He self-publishes the book, so it's not cheap. I liked it tho'

Doctorate in philosophy

1434 redstateredneck  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 10:37:26am

re: #1427 wahabicorridor

Thank you!

You'll want your tomatoes kind of crushed up. Experiment. Salt & pepper to taste, of course.

1435 apachegunner  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 10:37:48am

Hoops, the Hall of Fame game is Sunday nite, Aug 9, Tennessee vs Buffalo. I thought I'd heard that, yeaaa the NFL is back!!!

1436 HoosierHoops  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 10:38:12am

re: #1414 iceweasel

You're cool, Walter. At least, I think you are, and I feel like we get each other. :)

I should hate you forever for getting me addicted to LOST, though. Damn you!

Walter is megacool! He sent me a 4 billion year old Meteor from Africa..A coin from 3rd Century Rome and a 1000 year old Chinese Coin...
I held those coins in my hand and wondered how many thousands of souls have touched the coins...a thousand years...Mind blowing

1437 apachegunner  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 10:38:47am

hmmm, is this dammed thing working?

1438 Charpete67  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 10:39:01am

re: #1409 iceweasel

They are astroturfed.
[Link: thinkprogress.org...]

And it's working. The people who 'don't want' health care reform are people who don't know, or understand, what reforms are even being proposed.

don't make generalizations...it's probably more likely that these people don't want socialism and understand that the government can't run any program more efficiently than a private company.

and the people who seem to know the least are the politicians who haven't even read the bill.

Lastly, it's not that they don't want health care reform...it's that they don't want government controlled insurance. Remember...85% have insurance, 80% of them are happy with their insurance and the remaining 15% who don't have insurance are not just Americans that can't get or afford it, there is a sizable portion who are not citizens or they could get insurance, but don't.

1439 aggieann  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 10:39:11am

re: #1232 reine.de.tout

One of my personal faves - really great catchall - is:
fixena -
"I'm fixena go to the store".

Death and destruction didn't quite have the same impact after the author of a book I recently read said that Nostradamus was "fixing to" do something or other!

I wonder what the 16th century French equivalent of "y'all" was?

1440 Millicent Islam  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 10:39:19am

re: #1423 FurryOldGuyJeans

Think Progress. Now there's a middle of the road centrist site.

//

The piece in question has the memo and links to all the supporting info about it.
Facts don't get cooties on them because of where they're from, as Charles recently observed.

1441 formercorpsman  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 10:39:28am

re: #1409 iceweasel

Astroturfed.

Rachel, do I hear you calling dear?

1442 keithgabryelski  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 10:40:27am

re: #1424 Scion9

Yes, he's serious, although not 'serious' in the sense that his statement is factual.

I'm looking for the article I read yesterday on this. If it was a false report, well, I retract the specific position, but the fact that a minority of people are trying to suppress legitimate conversation on health-care reform is happening and everyone should consider this a problem.

Also, a guy holding a sign comparing the healthcare plan to a Nazi program is preventing the DNC their "Right" to an opposing view.

Read the thread again. I was talking about Gus's post. And Gus agreed with my assessment.

1443 JustABill  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 10:40:56am

re: #1290 Windhorse

astro-turf my ass.

Just be careful what glue you use./

1444 HoosierHoops  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 10:41:02am

re: #1435 apachegunner

Hoops, the Hall of Fame game is Sunday nite, Aug 9, Tennessee vs Buffalo. I thought I'd heard that, yeaaa the NFL is back!!!

Football is back!
I played exactly one practice in my life...I got run over by a bulldozer..
The one and only time for me on the field...

1445 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 10:41:10am

re: #1414 iceweasel

You're cool, Walter. At least, I think you are, and I feel like we get each other. :)

I should hate you forever for getting me addicted to LOST, though. Damn you!

Correct. Yes, there are times when I will totally oppose what you espouse, but I will never think less of you for it. But, sometimes I will pull no punches. And, at the same time, satire and sarcasm is part and parcel of American politics and I rarely refrain from a good round of that.

1446 Millicent Islam  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 10:41:34am

re: #1438 Charpete67

don't make generalizations...it's probably more likely that these people don't want socialism and understand that the government can't run any program more efficiently than a private company.

and the people who seem to know the least are the politicians who haven't even read the bill.

Lastly, it's not that they don't want health care reform...it's that they don't want government controlled insurance. Remember...85% have insurance, 80% of them are happy with their insurance and the remaining 15% who don't have insurance are not just Americans that can't get or afford it, there is a sizable portion who are not citizens or they could get insurance, but don't.

Check out FBV's 641. And by the way, it's no surprise that 80% of the people who DO have insurance are happy with their insurance. This is about the 46 million or so who don't have it.

1447 wahabicorridor  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 10:41:46am

re: #1429 iceweasel

CBO has walked back their initial claims about the money.

Really? The last I heard they came out withTWO devastating reports.

?

1448 Gus  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 10:42:51am

Well, nothing else to add.

I'm hungry.

BBL

1449 wahabicorridor  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 10:43:05am

re: #1433 pink freud


Hi ya pink!

1450 CyanSnowHawk  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 10:43:17am

re: #1429 iceweasel

CBO has walked back their initial claims about the money.
It's also not a 'nationalisation' of the health care system.
Finally, I'm not seeing the diminishing of individual liberties that you're claiming.

However, I do agree with you that all kinds of amendments and changes are going to be made to the current proposal. Also, I seriously doubt much of anything will be passed, ultimately. There's too much resistance to it on both sides of the aisle.

Now I have to go check out the top of the thread where people were apparently talking about those pix Hoops has of me. Dammit!

What part about the government, the same body that regulates the health insurance industry, competing directly with the health insurance industry sounds like a good idea to you? And how does it not eventually lead to nationalized health care through a series of real or imagined crises?

BTW, you got a purty smile.

1451 apachegunner  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 10:43:50am

re: #1444 HoosierHoops

Football is back!
I played exactly one practice in my life...I got run over by a bulldozer..
The one and only time for me on the field...


Oooops, I thought you were a big fan, now I remember NBA right? I was quite a player, football, in my time, played a little Bball too. OK, I guess I am the only excited lizard. I'll have my NFL chilli ready Sunday!

1452 wahabicorridor  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 10:43:52am

re: #1434 redstateredneck

You'll want your tomatoes kind of crushed up. Experiment. Salt & pepper to taste, of course.

crushed red pepper

1453 Millicent Islam  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 10:44:39am

re: #1419 Gus 802

Astro turfing the astro turf.

Dude. The article is true. You can hate on the author all you want, but it is.

1454 wahabicorridor  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 10:45:29am

gotta go. later

1455 keithgabryelski  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 10:45:39am

re: #1426 FurryOldGuyJeans

Gee, and our Representatives who are voting on the bill do know what all the provisions are? They won't even bother reading the fool thing!

This is a canard.

1) the bill is not complete.
2) when you help write a bill for months and months and constantly get updates on changes, you know what is in the bill even if you have re-read from cover to cover the last inception of it
3) bills are filled with a lot of legalese that is not necessary to read to get a full understanding of what the bill actually does (providing you can trust the legalese is correctly written)

1456 redstateredneck  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 10:46:09am

re: #1452 wahabicorridor

crushed red pepper

Works for me!

1457 redstateredneck  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 10:48:34am

Going upstairs.^^^

1458 Charpete67  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 10:48:38am

re: #1446 iceweasel

Check out FBV's 641. And by the way, it's no surprise that 80% of the people who DO have insurance are happy with their insurance. This is about the 46 million or so who don't have it.

?...

Jen

Jen O'Malley Dillon
Executive Director
Democratic National Committee

You mean the letter from Jen?...Executive Director of the DNC?

Please, there are kooks everywhere, but the bottom line is that resistance is building because they're taking a harder look at what it means. How can you possibly offer care to 46 million people without adding doctors, not rationing care or spending more money?

And again, you need to look at who those 46 million are and what their average time is without health insurance.

1459 HoosierHoops  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 10:51:18am

re: #1451 apachegunner

Oooops, I thought you were a big fan, now I remember NBA right? I was quite a player, football, in my time, played a little Bball too. OK, I guess I am the only excited lizard. I'll have my NFL chilli ready Sunday!

What position did you play?
I always played PG in Basketball...But one time in high school I tried out to be a boxer..I'll never forget getting into the ring thinking I was a stud and getting the living hell beat out of me...The only way I'll jump into a ring again is if you throw the winning lotto ticket into the Center...Other than that..I learned my lesson.

1460 keithgabryelski  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 10:51:29am

re: #1417 Dianna

Wait, is someone saying that a congresscritter has been physically assaulted at a town hall? You're not serious, are you?

The original article was on "roll call" which I don't have access to (paid service). Google search for:

Freshman Democratic lawmaker ‘physically assaulted at a local event’ by activists.

1461 Altermite  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 10:53:42am

re: #1453 iceweasel

Dude. The article is true. You can hate on the author all you want, but it is.


It is true. The authour being astroturf, so to speak, doesn't say anything as to the vailidity of the authour's claims, just the purity of their motives.

However, the same does hold true for the folks the authour is saying are astroturf. They might be fake, but that just means they have suspect motives- it doesn't, by itself, invalidate any concerns.

1462 apachegunner  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 10:54:29am

re: #1459 HoosierHoops

What position did you play?
I always played PG in Basketball...But one time in high school I tried out to be a boxer..I'll never forget getting into the ring thinking I was a stud and getting the living hell beat out of me...The only way I'll jump into a ring again is if you throw the winning lotto ticket into the Center...Other than that..I learned my lesson.

amazing, I won the golden gloves, light heavy weight, two years in a row, novice and open, in Peoria, Ill. That was the same building I played forward against Cassie Russell in the Illinois Super Sectional in 1961 and I was an all state QB and MLB in 61 and 62.

1463 Learned Mother of Zion  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 10:54:56am

re: #1377 wahabicorridor

Hi there! The book and DVD I ordered from Zionist Mall arrived yesterday. Nice turnaround!

The Zionist Mall is actually a portal to the best of Judaica and Israeli products on the web, so please thank the vendor for the service you received, and mention you found their products at Jewish-history.com (as we are known to our partner vendors)

1464 Altermite  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 10:57:38am

re: #1172 Walter L. Newton

I know that, I'm just putting this in a contemporary context. Progressives would shit in their pants if we conducted real politics the way they have been carried out in the past.

Anyone up for a duel?


I hope that most people would.

Sabers DHS reports at dawn?

1465 templar  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 11:11:08am

re: #1429 iceweasel

I believe that jcm called it a nationalization, not a 'nationalisation'. Only the Brits spell it that way. Which sort of begs the question of whether you're an American, and if not you're not an American why do you care what the US does with our health-care system.

In my opinion having the government run our health-care system would be an unmitigated disaster. After all, just look at the VA health-care system. Alternatively, you could ask yourself why Medicaid is going bankrupt. The government has not been able to prove that their ideas would save costs or expand coverage while at the same time maintaining the level of care.

1466 formercorpsman  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 11:18:54am

re: #1465 templar

Moreover, they used language in defending this current legislation, that it would tackle the problems they face with the 2 current attempts at government health care, being Medicare & Medicaid.

The left side refuses to actually debate the facts of this issue.

1467 Bubblehead II  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 11:21:22am

re: #1357 John Neverbend

Do what I did. Get and use Safari. Took care of 99.99% of my web browsing problems.

HT to Sharmuta for the advice.

1468 keithgabryelski  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 11:27:33am

re: #1424 Scion9

re: #1422 redstateredneck

re: #1431 Dianna

Here is a reference to the article I was speaking of. The details are little.

[Link: www.rollcall.com...]

Connolly said he spoke to at least one freshman Democrat who was physically assaulted at a local event.
1469 eschew_obfuscation  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 11:30:12am

re: #1429 iceweasel

CBO has walked back their initial claims about the money.
It's also not a 'nationalisation' of the health care system.
Finally, I'm not seeing the diminishing of individual liberties that you're claiming.

However, I do agree with you that all kinds of amendments and changes are going to be made to the current proposal. Also, I seriously doubt much of anything will be passed, ultimately. There's too much resistance to it on both sides of the aisle.

Now I have to go check out the top of the thread where people were apparently talking about those pix Hoops has of me. Dammit!


I think the 'nationalization' claim comes from the government option feature. Private industry won't be able to compete with the government, especially when government gets to tell private industry what coverages must be included in private plans in order for them to qualify. Over time, the fear is that the government, having to make no profit to stay in business, will run private insurers out of the market.

The diminishing of individual liberties, at a minimum, comes from forcing everyone to buy health insurance IMHO.

1470 Millicent Islam  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 11:40:46am

re: #1465 templar

I believe that jcm called it a nationalization, not a 'nationalisation'. Only the Brits spell it that way. Which sort of begs the question of whether you're an American, and if not you're not an American why do you care what the US does with our health-care system.

Jesus Christ. Are we already at the part of the day when people start demanding my birth ceritificate, and asking if I know the lyrics to God Bless America?

Piss off, wanker. Is that British enough for you?

I'm not responding further to these sorts of attacks.

1471 apachegunner  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 11:43:58am

re: #1470 iceweasel

Jesus Christ. Are we already at the part of the day when people start demanding my birth ceritificate, and asking if I know the lyrics to God Bless America?

Piss off, wanker. Is that British enough for you?

I'm not responding further to these sorts of attacks.

I'm starting to think you a Brit Ice. Seems that wanker comment comes natural :>)

1472 Millicent Islam  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 11:44:28am

re: #1469 eschew_obfuscation

I think the 'nationalization' claim comes from the government option feature. Private industry won't be able to compete with the government, especially when government gets to tell private industry what coverages must be included in private plans in order for them to qualify. Over time, the fear is that the government, having to make no profit to stay in business, will run private insurers out of the market.

The diminishing of individual liberties, at a minimum, comes from forcing everyone to buy health insurance IMHO.

Correct. This is a reasonable worry. Will a public option run private insurers out of the market.
I don't believe so, but I don't know.
It's also questionable whether we'll have a public option at all. Obama has said he won't sign legislation that doesn't include one, but we'll see.

People wouldn't be forced to buy health insurance, but they would be penalised if they do not, under the current proposal.

The nightmare scenario is one where people still can't afford insurance, and get charged penalities on top for not doing so.

1473 apachegunner  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 11:44:43am

that is spoken in a kind way, by the way.

1474 Millicent Islam  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 11:45:16am

re: #1471 apachegunner

I'm starting to think you a Brit Ice. Seems that wanker comment comes natural :>)

Heh. Well, if wanking isn't natural, what is? :)

1475 apachegunner  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 11:46:55am

re: #1472 iceweasel

Correct. This is a reasonable worry. Will a public option run private insurers out of the market.
I don't believe so, but I don't know.
It's also questionable whether we'll have a public option at all. Obama has said he won't sign legislation that doesn't include one, but we'll see.

People wouldn't be forced to buy health insurance, but they would be penalised if they do not, under the current proposal.

The nightmare scenario is one where people still can't afford insurance, and get charged penalities on top for not doing so.


We were speaking of that yesterday Ice. When an employer has a choice of two policies or three and one is cheaper, supported by the tax of americans, which will he choose? The cheap one I believe. You move to a new job and are not allowed to purchase a private one but are forced the public option and there goes the private one.

1476 apachegunner  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 11:47:19am

re: #1474 iceweasel

Heh. Well, if wanking isn't natural, what is? :)

don't be bad ;>)

1477 Millicent Islam  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 11:51:44am

re: #1475 apachegunner

We were speaking of that yesterday Ice. When an employer has a choice of two policies or three and one is cheaper, supported by the tax of americans, which will he choose? The cheap one I believe. You move to a new job and are not allowed to purchase a private one but are forced the public option and there goes the private one.

Well...employers already go with cheapest option they can, obviously.
The worry about private insurance being driven out of business only makes sense if the public option ruthlessly undercut the insurance companies all the time. But no-one actually wants to drive the private insurers out of business, least of all the gov't. Private insurance is big business, and a big campaign contributer. Also why would you not be allowed to buy private insurance?

(I'm bad, I know. But that's part of what makes me so good! :) )

1478 Honorary Yooper  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 11:51:59am

re: #1470 iceweasel

Jesus Christ. Are we already at the part of the day when people start demanding my birth ceritificate, and asking if I know the lyrics to God Bless America?

Piss off, wanker. Is that British enough for you?

I'm not responding further to these sorts of attacks.

Did someone want your 'nirth certificate, Ice?

I've got it right here for you.

1479 apachegunner  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 11:55:45am

re: #1477 iceweasel

Well...employers already go with cheapest option they can, obviously.
The worry about private insurance being driven out of business only makes sense if the public option ruthlessly undercut the insurance companies all the time. But no-one actually wants to drive the private insurers out of business, least of all the gov't. Private insurance is big business, and a big campaign contributer. Also why would you not be allowed to buy private insurance?

(I'm bad, I know. But that's part of what makes me so good! :) )

But I've seen video of the bamster discussing the single bill payer and his plans for it. was he lying then or now, that was 2004 I believe? and the badder the gooder luv.

1480 Pianobuff  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 12:00:52pm

re: #1477 iceweasel

Well...employers already go with cheapest option they can, obviously.
The worry about private insurance being driven out of business only makes sense if the public option ruthlessly undercut the insurance companies all the time. But no-one actually wants to drive the private insurers out of business, least of all the gov't. Private insurance is big business, and a big campaign contributer. Also why would you not be allowed to buy private insurance?

(I'm bad, I know. But that's part of what makes me so good! :) )

Ice - I just have to disagree with you here. There are simply too many statements made by Obama, Frank, et al where they are on record indicating an ultimate goal of single payer with more moderate legislation being a transitional step towards that goal. Even if you don't agree with me on this I would ask you to at least give legitimacy to those who disbelieve the administration when they spin to the contrary. We have a valid concern and to dismiss it out of hand just doesn't cut it. There are some very good reasons (and they are on videotape) for people like me to believe that any legislation presented today is the proverbial camel's nose. Were it not the case, it ought to be very easy to accept amendments prohibiting single-payer as a future option, but those amendments have not been accepted.

1481 Millicent Islam  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 12:22:27pm

re: #1478 Honorary Yooper

Did someone want your 'nirth certificate, Ice?

I've got it right here for you.

Oh my god, that's awesome! Thanks for the link. I think I'm going to use that in the future.

It's true. I've been suppressing the release of my birth certificate because it will reveal my given name is Iceweasel Hussein X.

BTW folks-- somethings up with my computer. I'm not ignoring you & will answer asap.

1482 apachegunner  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 12:24:04pm

re: #1481 iceweasel

Oh my god, that's awesome! Thanks for the link. I think I'm going to use that in the future.

It's true. I've been suppressing the release of my birth certificate because it will reveal my given name is Iceweasel Hussein X.

BTW folks-- somethings up with my computer. I'm not ignoring you & will answer asap.

oh yeah? ya got about 30 minutes I've a meeting with the CG

1483 Pianobuff  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 12:25:50pm

re: #1481 iceweasel

Oh my god, that's awesome! Thanks for the link. I think I'm going to use that in the future.

It's true. I've been suppressing the release of my birth certificate because it will reveal my given name is Iceweasel Hussein X.

BTW folks-- somethings up with my computer. I'm not ignoring you & will answer asap.

No worries. Hope the puter is ok.

1484 templar  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 12:28:18pm

re: #1470 iceweasel

I didn't think I was attacking you, unless being British is some sort of insult nowadays. Your choice of spelling just caught my eye, that's all.

I don't trust Obama and the rest of his crew. They seem to insist on intruding into every aspect of our lives. It only proves C.S. Lewis's maxim more right every day. Those who rule you for your own good will never leave you alone.

1485 apachegunner  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 12:28:41pm

ciao guys and girls

1486 Millicent Islam  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 12:28:44pm

re: #1479 apachegunner

re: #1480 Pianobuff

Ice - I just have to disagree with you here. There are simply too many statements made by Obama, Frank, et al where they are on record indicating an ultimate goal of single payer with more moderate legislation being a transitional step towards that goal. Even if you don't agree with me on this I would ask you to at least give legitimacy to those who disbelieve the administration when they spin to the contrary. We have a valid concern and to dismiss it out of hand just doesn't cut it. There are some very good reasons (and they are on videotape) for people like me to believe that any legislation presented today is the proverbial camel's nose. Were it not the case, it ought to be very easy to accept amendments prohibiting single-payer as a future option, but those amendments have not been accepted.

I understand what you're saying. I'm one of those people who would like to see a single payer system, but that isn't what's being proposed. I also don't see this legislation as being a step towards that. The statements you're referring to, if I'm up on all of them, are ones where people (like Obama) have said they're proponents of that sort of system-- in the same way that I am. But I can't find anything in the legislation proposed that would lead to it, and I can't find any (good) reason to believe that it would. I'll definitely listen to your reasons for thinking so though.

If I thought it would lead to it, I'd certainly say so. Maybe you'll convince me.
(BTW, have to check out for a bit but will check back)

1487 Pianobuff  Thu, Aug 6, 2009 12:40:50pm

re: #1486 iceweasel

re: #1480 Pianobuff

I understand what you're saying. I'm one of those people who would like to see a single payer system, but that isn't what's being proposed. I also don't see this legislation as being a step towards that. The statements you're referring to, if I'm up on all of them, are ones where people (like Obama) have said they're proponents of that sort of system-- in the same way that I am. But I can't find anything in the legislation proposed that would lead to it, and I can't find any (good) reason to believe that it would. I'll definitely listen to your reasons for thinking so though.

If I thought it would lead to it, I'd certainly say so. Maybe you'll convince me.
(BTW, have to check out for a bit but will check back)

And of course at the end of the day this is somewhat of a judgment call. Although this legislation certainly does not contain single payer language, it does cede program design elements to the government, who will be responsible for setting the exchange parameters and approving programs. So for someone like me, that's a point firmly in favor of the government being able to steer the program towards conditions that would be most favorable to the public option.

Also, amendments to prohibit future single payer have been rejected. The easiest way to allay concerns would be to allow those amendments into the bill.

Thirdly, it's the most logical way one would go about getting to single payer. As Michael Corleone would say, it's the smart play, the strategy I would use/recommend if under current conditions were I hoping to advance an ultimate single payer plan.

Lastly, it's what they have said in their own words with no coaching or context to misunderstand. Obama and Frank in particular are pretty articulate about this. You could argue to me that Obama's position has evolved. And giving you the benefit of the doubt it is theoretically possible - but to take them at their words is not a delusional act for the skeptics.

You may come down on the opposite side in your conclusions, but is hard to argue that some number of reasonable people could come to this conclusion legitimately. Frankly, I would rather hear Obama say his position evolved than to be accused of misunderstanding what's in plain sight in front of me. It only makes me more suspicious.

Anyway, thanks for listening.


This article has been archived.
Comments are closed.

^ back to top ^

Name:

Pass:

Register Forgot Your Password? Re-send Confirmation (To log in, cookies must be enabled in your browser!)

Turn off ads by subscribing!
For about 33 cents a day, our subscription option turns off all advertisements at LGF!
Read more...


► LGF Headlines

  • Loading...

► Tweeted Articles

  • Loading...

► Tweeted Pages

  • Loading...

► Top 10 Comments

  • Loading...

► Bottom Comments

  • Loading...

► Recent Comments

  • Loading...

► Tools/Info

► Tag Cloud

► Contact

You must have Javascript enabled to use the contact form.
Your email:

Subject:

Message:


Messages may be published in our weblog, unless you request otherwise.
Tech Note:
Using the Contact Form

More Partners

Compare Electricity Prices in your area. Texas Electricity is deregulated; you have the right to choose Texas Electric Rates from among many Texas Electric Companies.

It's not a bug, it's a filter.

TwitterFacebook
LGF Pages
Recent Pages

Channeling Confucius
The 7 Most Terrifying Archaeological Discoveries
16 minutes ago
Views: 14 • Comments: 0
Tweets: 0 • Rating: 0

Aigle
Ha'aretz, Lost in Translation
1 hour, 12 minutes ago
Views: 53 • Comments: 3
Tweets: 0 • Rating: 0

Randall Gross
Government Employment Drops Under Obama, but Media Run With Romney Myth Anyway
3 hours, 2 minutes ago
Views: 115 • Comments: 0
Tweets: 3 • Rating: 1

researchok
French Philosopher Alain Badiou on the Real Expression of Love: 'If You Limit Yourself to Sexual Pleasure It's Narcissistic'
7 hours, 6 minutes ago
Views: 83 • Comments: 0
Tweets: 0 • Rating: 0

Haywood Jabloeme
Closing the Racial and Generational Divides
10 hours, 56 minutes ago
Views: 89 • Comments: 0
Tweets: 0 • Rating: 1

Aziz Poonawalla
I Speak for Myself: All-American
14 hours, 52 minutes ago
Views: 135 • Comments: 0
Tweets: 0 • Rating: 5

Mostly sane, most of the time.
So wake up and notice already
2 days, 10 hours ago
Views: 294 • Comments: 0
Tweets: 2 • Rating: 7

Daniel Ballard
Late Afternoon Light-Kalanchoe
3 days, 14 hours ago
Views: 268 • Comments: 0
Tweets: 0 • Rating: 5

Eclectic Infidel
City College of San Francisco Budget Update
3 days, 15 hours ago
Views: 319 • Comments: 0
Tweets: 0 • Rating: 1

MichaelJ
Apple TV Slated to Debut in December?
4 days, 21 hours ago
Views: 371 • Comments: 0
Tweets: 0 • Rating: 1

 Frank says:

We'll get back to the wimp, and his low-budget conception of personal freedom, in just a moment -- Thing-Fish.