Friday Night Music: Pat Metheny, ‘Don’t Know Why’
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This solo guitar arrangement of Norah Jones’ “Don’t Know Why” is from Pat Metheny’s One Quiet Night.
352 comments
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Macker Fri, Aug 7, 2009 8:05:19pm |
See, I LIKE these music videos you put up, Charles. They help me unwind from a rough day at work. Thank you!
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Truck Monkey Fri, Aug 7, 2009 8:07:36pm |
Nice arrangement, beautifully done. Thanks for a little serenity Charles.
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Jimmah Fri, Aug 7, 2009 8:08:42pm |
Later with Jools Holland is the best UK music show.
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Dark_Falcon Fri, Aug 7, 2009 8:12:20pm |
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Sharmuta Fri, Aug 7, 2009 8:15:03pm |
I didn’t really get into Norah Jones until her second album, but just about everything she’s done that I’ve heard I’ve liked. It’s nice to see such a respected artist like Mr Metheny think highly enough of her work to cover it.
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Charles Johnson Fri, Aug 7, 2009 8:18:08pm |
Just had a flounce in the Geller thread. Highly dramatic. Now deleted.
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Fri, Aug 7, 2009 8:19:47pm |
re: #11 Charles
Just had a flounce in the Geller thread. Highly dramatic. Now deleted.
I don’t suppose there were any particularly entertaining bits you could bring out for us to snack on?
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legalpad Fri, Aug 7, 2009 8:20:39pm |
OK - so what do lizards have to do with footballs?
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jaunte Fri, Aug 7, 2009 8:21:27pm |
re: #13 legalpad
Their grippy claws provide a perfect spiral throw.
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livefreeor die Fri, Aug 7, 2009 8:22:51pm |
re: #11 Charles
Just had a flounce in the Geller thread. Highly dramatic. Now deleted.
Darn it. I miss all the good stuff.
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Charles Johnson Fri, Aug 7, 2009 8:23:14pm |
The New York Times fired Ben Stein as a business columnist today, by the way.
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jaunte Fri, Aug 7, 2009 8:23:15pm |
re: #10 Sharmuta
That was very nice. Thanks for the recommendation.
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Dark_Falcon Fri, Aug 7, 2009 8:24:08pm |
re: #16 Charles
The New York Times fired Ben Stein as a business columnist today, by the way.
What got him the gate?
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Desert Dog Fri, Aug 7, 2009 8:24:27pm |
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swamprat Fri, Aug 7, 2009 8:25:32pm |
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Randall Gross Fri, Aug 7, 2009 8:25:40pm |
Ben E King at Montreaux
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Charles Johnson Fri, Aug 7, 2009 8:26:03pm |
re: #18 Dark_Falcon
What got him the gate?
He was hawking a shady credit report company, in violation of his contract.
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Jimmah Fri, Aug 7, 2009 8:26:12pm |
re: #13 legalpad
OK - so what do lizards have to do with footballs?
You have to go back to the easter bunny and the egg - it’s all related.
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legalpad Fri, Aug 7, 2009 8:26:38pm |
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itellu3times Fri, Aug 7, 2009 8:27:12pm |
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Jimmah Fri, Aug 7, 2009 8:28:02pm |
re: #19 Desert Dog
I was going to post that next but you beat me to it :)
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Dark_Falcon Fri, Aug 7, 2009 8:28:31pm |
re: #22 Charles
He was hawking a shady credit report company, in violation of his contract.
Then I must agree with the decision. The NYT should maintain high standards for its columnists. That they often do not hold to such standards is a serious problem, but in this case I am glad they enforced the proper standards.
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Desert Dog Fri, Aug 7, 2009 8:28:40pm |
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Desert Dog Fri, Aug 7, 2009 8:29:18pm |
re: #26 Jimmah
I was going to post that next but you beat me to it :)
I saw them as Camper and then as Cracker…great bands, both of them…
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itellu3times Fri, Aug 7, 2009 8:29:33pm |
re: #28 Dark_Falcon
Then I must agree with the decision. The NYT should maintain high standards for its columnists. That they often do not hold to such standards is a serious problem, but in this case I am glad they enforced the proper standards.
The NYT is calling someone else sleazy?
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The Shadow Do Fri, Aug 7, 2009 8:29:51pm |
re: #1 Sharmuta
The Norah Jones version live:
Awesome. I met her. My daughter went to the same High School. What an inspiration she is to the kids at BTWHS.
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Jimmah Fri, Aug 7, 2009 8:30:38pm |
re: #22 Charles
He was hawking a shady credit report company, in violation of his contract.
To think that the maker of ‘Expelled’ should be capable of such dishonesty…shocking/
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swamprat Fri, Aug 7, 2009 8:31:43pm |
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Unakite Fri, Aug 7, 2009 8:32:50pm |
re: #28 Dark_Falcon
Then I must agree with the decision. The NYT should maintain high standards for its columnists. That they often do not hold to such standards is a serious problem, but in this case I am glad they enforced the proper standards.
I totally agree. However, I also agree that it is a serious problem that they don’t always hold up to their standards (or they don’t have any).
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Dark_Falcon Fri, Aug 7, 2009 8:33:39pm |
re: #31 itellu3times
The NYT is calling someone else sleazy?
Yep, apparently the blind squirrel has found a creationist nut.
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Desert Dog Fri, Aug 7, 2009 8:34:03pm |
re: #35 Unakite
I totally agree. However, I also agree that it is a serious problem that they don’t always hold up to their standards (or they don’t have any).
Making up sh*t - OK
Hawking sleazy companies - NOT OK
got it now?
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Sharmuta Fri, Aug 7, 2009 8:35:45pm |
re: #32 The Shadow Do
Awesome. I met her. My daughter went to the same High School. What an inspiration she is to the kids at BTWHS.
How nice. She strikes me as down to earth.
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Dark_Falcon Fri, Aug 7, 2009 8:37:03pm |
Just ran across this:
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Desert Dog Fri, Aug 7, 2009 8:38:45pm |
re: #38 Sharmuta
How nice. She strikes me as down to earth.
Got the music gene from Dad and the looks from Mom…good thing for her too! :-)
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The Shadow Do Fri, Aug 7, 2009 8:39:44pm |
re: #38 Sharmuta
How nice. She strikes me as down to earth.
She is.
The only reason I met her was that I was picking up my daughter early for a dentist appointment. She came to the HS to visit the teachers and students. There was no media, none of that. She just wanted to come and see the school and maybe talk to a few kids. She is something else.
Booker T. is an Arts Magnet School in Dallas. Wonderful place. Budding musicians, actors and artists.
No football team. In Texas.
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Last Mohican Fri, Aug 7, 2009 8:39:49pm |
Why are two of Pat Metheny’s guitar strings a different color?
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Jimmah Fri, Aug 7, 2009 8:41:07pm |
On the same edition of ‘Later’ that Cracker appeared on (they did a good set but doesn’t appear to be on you tube), was this:
Ali Farka Toure - Diaraby
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Desert Dog Fri, Aug 7, 2009 8:41:33pm |
re: #39 Dark_Falcon
Just ran across this:
Chris Matthew is an idiot. He is asking where the “pro-healthcare” supporters are…like these people all mad and yelling are against healthcare. Newsflash Chris…the people all mad and foaming at the mouth are trying to protect their healthcare.
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Jack Burton Fri, Aug 7, 2009 8:43:16pm |
re: #22 Charles
He was hawking a shady credit report company, in violation of his contract.
Intelligent Credit Design?
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KingKenrod Fri, Aug 7, 2009 8:43:23pm |
I’ve been enjoying “The Bird and the Bee” that Charles featured the other night:
[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com…]
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Desert Dog Fri, Aug 7, 2009 8:44:12pm |
re: #43 Jimmah
On the same edition of ‘Later’ that Cracker appeared on (they did a good set but doesn’t appear to be on you tube), was this:
Ali Farka Toure - Diaraby
[Video]
That is really nice…I love that “African vibe”…great percusion
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Dark_Falcon Fri, Aug 7, 2009 8:45:10pm |
re: #44 Desert Dog
Chris Matthew is an idiot. He is asking where the “pro-healthcare” supporters are…like these people all mad and yelling are against healthcare. Newsflash Chris…the people all mad and foaming at the mouth are trying to protect their healthcare.
Matthews is still feeling leg tingles for Obama. He’ll do whatever he can to paint those who oppose Obama in a bad light. In that he aids in the demise of the MSM as a trustworthy news source.
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Irenicum Fri, Aug 7, 2009 8:45:16pm |
Too busy listening to the new Derek Webb CD, Stockholm Syndrome. Will get back later.
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albusteve Fri, Aug 7, 2009 8:47:05pm |
re: #41 The Shadow Do
She is.
The only reason I met her was that I was picking up my daughter early for a dentist appointment. She came to the HS to visit the teachers and students. There was no media, none of that. She just wanted to come and see the school and maybe talk to a few kids. She is something else.
Booker T. is an Arts Magnet School in Dallas. Wonderful place. Budding musicians, actors and artists.
No football team. In Texas.
had to read that twice…oh well, music is the next most important thing in life
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Desert Dog Fri, Aug 7, 2009 8:47:36pm |
re: #48 Dark_Falcon
Matthews is still feeling leg tingles for Obama. He’ll do whatever he can to paint those who oppose Obama in a bad light. In that he aids in the demise of the MSM as a trustworthy news source.
He is still hoping to work in the WH again…replace Gibbs perhaps?
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Randall Gross Fri, Aug 7, 2009 8:47:44pm |
Marcus Johnson - Maxin
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KingKenrod Fri, Aug 7, 2009 8:47:53pm |
re: #39 Dark_Falcon
Just ran across this:
The left will always be light years beyond the right in organizing. That’s why conservatives show up and scream in frustration at the last minute when it is too late - no organization, no leadership.
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albusteve Fri, Aug 7, 2009 8:48:12pm |
re: #42 Last Mohican
Why are two of Pat Metheny’s guitar strings a different color?
maybe some are metal and others nylon?
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Jimmah Fri, Aug 7, 2009 8:49:18pm |
re: #47 Desert Dog
That is really nice…I love that “African vibe”…great percusion
Yes - and guitar. He was rated no 76 in Rolling Stone’s top 100 guitarists.
Here’s another from that same edition of ‘Later’:
Cocteau Twins - Summerhead
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KingKenrod Fri, Aug 7, 2009 8:49:29pm |
Congressional approval: 14%
[Link: www.rasmussenreports.com…]
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Dark_Falcon Fri, Aug 7, 2009 8:49:57pm |
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Fri, Aug 7, 2009 8:50:26pm |
Why does George Soros have to use his billions to manipulate the US political system for government health care instead of just giving his money to a clinic somewhere?
Voila. Instant healthcare.
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Van Helsing Fri, Aug 7, 2009 8:50:51pm |
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Randall Gross Fri, Aug 7, 2009 8:51:33pm |
There’s a lot of legit reasons to criticize the health care plan, but personally I think the “Obama wants to kill your grandparents” bit is over the top:
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Van Helsing Fri, Aug 7, 2009 8:53:29pm |
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The Shadow Do Fri, Aug 7, 2009 8:54:12pm |
re: #50 albusteve
BTWHS in Dallas was the official black HS for many years. In the halls are old photos of the long gone all black football teams.
Now? The class photos on the wall look like the United Nations. I find it reassuring. Times do change, and not always for the worse as we are too often want to perceive on a day to day basis.
America is a damn fine place.
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MandyManners Fri, Aug 7, 2009 8:54:13pm |
[Link: online.wsj.com…]
[Link: money.cnn.com…]
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jaunte Fri, Aug 7, 2009 8:54:40pm |
re: #61 EmmmieG
Why does George Soros have to use his billions to manipulate the US political system for government health care instead of just giving his money to a clinic somewhere?
Voila. Instant healthcare.
It’s not the health care, it’s the action.
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Charles Johnson Fri, Aug 7, 2009 8:55:45pm |
re: #64 Thanos
There’s a lot of legit reasons to criticize the health care plan, but personally I think the “Obama wants to kill your grandparents” bit is over the top:
Sarah Palin lost me a while back.
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albusteve Fri, Aug 7, 2009 8:57:11pm |
re: #68 The Shadow Do
BTWHS in Dallas was the official black HS for many years. In the halls are old photos of the long gone all black football teams.
Now? The class photos on the wall look like the United Nations. I find it reassuring. Times do change, and not always for the worse as we are too often want to perceive on a day to day basis.
America is a damn fine place.
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Jimmah Fri, Aug 7, 2009 8:57:19pm |
I’m just about to run out of booze. Bed time anyway I suppose.
Night all - have a good one:)
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Dark_Falcon Fri, Aug 7, 2009 8:58:33pm |
re: #61 EmmmieG
Why does George Soros have to use his billions to manipulate the US political system for government health care instead of just giving his money to a clinic somewhere?
Voila. Instant healthcare.
That would not achieve his desired remaking of America. He wants to use ObamaCare to extend government control in America.
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albusteve Fri, Aug 7, 2009 8:58:36pm |
re: #74 albusteve
bad fu..
.America has been damned good to me…and it’s a fantastic playground too…still plenty for me to see and do
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legalpad Fri, Aug 7, 2009 8:58:50pm |
Somehow I’ve increased the size of the font on this page to the point where it’s irritating. I’m out and back in hoping that it will revert.
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TheMatrix31 Fri, Aug 7, 2009 8:59:40pm |
re: #64 Thanos
There’s a lot of legit reasons to criticize the health care plan, but personally I think the “Obama wants to kill your grandparents” bit is over the top:
Palin said they wanna kill our grandparents?
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albusteve Fri, Aug 7, 2009 9:00:10pm |
re: #78 legalpad
Somehow I’ve increased the size of the font on this page to the point where it’s irritating. I’m out and back in hoping that it will revert.
that happened to me out of the blue yesterday…went to ‘view’ on the toolbar to fix it
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livefreeor die Fri, Aug 7, 2009 9:00:43pm |
re: #78 legalpad
Somehow I’ve increased the size of the font on this page to the point where it’s irritating. I’m out and back in hoping that it will revert.
Did you accidentally hit the zoom feature in the right hand bottom corner instead of hitting the scroll down feature right next to it? I’ve done that.
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DrNaughty Fri, Aug 7, 2009 9:01:49pm |
re: #79 TheMatrix31
Palin said they wanna kill our grandparents?
Clearly age will be a factor when the the government decides it has to cut the cost of healthcare
Look at how underfunded Cash for Clunkers is…
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JCM Fri, Aug 7, 2009 9:02:46pm |
re: #78 legalpad
Somehow I’ve increased the size of the font on this page to the point where it’s irritating. I’m out and back in hoping that it will revert.
Crtl - decrease font.
Crtl + increase.
Also Ctrl scroll wheel for + and - font size.
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TheMatrix31 Fri, Aug 7, 2009 9:02:59pm |
re: #82 DrNaughty
Clearly age will be a factor when the the government decides it has to cut the cost of healthcare
Look at how underfunded Cash for Clunkers is…
Well obviously that’s the case, but I’m not getting the connection with his post. Posting that people say Obama wants to kill your grandparents then posting about Palin saying the plan is evil…I don’t know.
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DrNaughty Fri, Aug 7, 2009 9:03:48pm |
re: #84 TheMatrix31
Well obviously that’s the case, but I’m not getting the connection with his post. Posting that people say Obama wants to kill your grandparents then posting about Palin saying the plan is evil…I don’t know.
Paliln is the new Dick Cheney for leftists.. Demean any and all threats.. especially since she’s a woman and the anti-Hillary
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Fri, Aug 7, 2009 9:03:55pm |
re: #76 Dark_Falcon
That would not achieve his desired remaking of America. He wants to use ObamaCare to extend government control in America.
Why do I get the feeling that when he sees the government controlling people (to control America is to control Americans) he exempts himself?
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calcajun Fri, Aug 7, 2009 9:04:11pm |
re: #11 Charles
You should make a posting of the “Most Dramatic Flounces”.
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albusteve Fri, Aug 7, 2009 9:05:17pm |
re: #83 JCM
Crtl - decrease font.
Crtl + increase.Also Ctrl scroll wheel for + and - font size.
cool…I didn’t know that, but then again there are all kinds of features I don’t know about
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DrNaughty Fri, Aug 7, 2009 9:05:17pm |
re: #86 EmmmieG
Why do I get the feeling that when he sees the government controlling people (to control America is to control Americans) he exempts himself?
Because the ruling class doesn’t have to worry about the proletariat …
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Randall Gross Fri, Aug 7, 2009 9:05:19pm |
Gary Lucas - Rise up To Be
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Dark_Falcon Fri, Aug 7, 2009 9:05:25pm |
re: #87 calcajun
You should make a posting of the “Most Dramatic Flounces”.
I second that suggestion.
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Dark_Falcon Fri, Aug 7, 2009 9:06:14pm |
re: #86 EmmmieG
Why do I get the feeling that when he sees the government controlling people (to control America is to control Americans) he exempts himself?
Because he sees his rightful place as the puppetmaster controlling others.
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KingKenrod Fri, Aug 7, 2009 9:06:14pm |
re: #82 DrNaughty
Clearly age will be a factor when the the government decides it has to cut the cost of healthcare
Look at how underfunded Cash for Clunkers is…
Not any more - Obama just signed a bill for $2,000,000,000 more. I think part of that money was going to be used for my hip replacement in about 20 years. I guess they’ll just have to take me out and shoot me instead.
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JCM Fri, Aug 7, 2009 9:07:01pm |
re: #88 albusteve
cool…I didn’t know that, but then again there are all kinds of features I don’t know about
Those are browser commands, works on any web page. Nice for when you get into one of those 8pt type sites or you forget your &%$#@* reading glasses.
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albusteve Fri, Aug 7, 2009 9:07:16pm |
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solomonpanting Fri, Aug 7, 2009 9:07:54pm |
re: #93 KingKenrod
Not any more - Obama just signed a bill for $2,000,000,000 more. I think part of that money was going to be used for my hip replacement in about 20 years. I guess they’ll just have to take me out and shoot me instead.
In 20 years you’ll be a clunker. Don’t give up hope just yet.
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Randall Gross Fri, Aug 7, 2009 9:07:57pm |
re: #84 TheMatrix31
Well obviously that’s the case, but I’m not getting the connection with his post. Posting that people say Obama wants to kill your grandparents then posting about Palin saying the plan is evil…I don’t know.
I bumper stickered her face book post where she talks about facing his “death panels” etc. It’s what she is implying.
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albusteve Fri, Aug 7, 2009 9:08:03pm |
re: #94 JCM
Those are browser commands, works on any web page. Nice for when you get into one of those 8pt type sites or you forget your &%$#@* reading glasses.
thanks…there is so much I don’t know…that makes me wise eh?
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DrNaughty Fri, Aug 7, 2009 9:08:28pm |
re: #93 KingKenrod
Not any more - Obama just signed a bill for $2,000,000,000 more. I think part of that money was going to be used for my hip replacement in about 20 years. I guess they’ll just have to take me out and shoot me instead.
I pity the 20-something smokers who will come down with cancer and heart disease in their 50s… Who will learn what the price of their stupidity for supporting Obama in their 20s really is…
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legalpad Fri, Aug 7, 2009 9:08:40pm |
re: #83 JCM
Crtl - decrease font.
Crtl + increase.Also Ctrl scroll wheel for + and - font size.
Thanks - stumbled across that. I feel better.
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legalpad Fri, Aug 7, 2009 9:09:28pm |
re: #81 livefreeor die
Did you accidentally hit the zoom feature in the right hand bottom corner instead of hitting the scroll down feature right next to it? I’ve done that.
Don’t know, but I fixed with Ctrl -
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albusteve Fri, Aug 7, 2009 9:09:45pm |
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JCM Fri, Aug 7, 2009 9:10:00pm |
re: #100 legalpad
Thanks - stumbled across that. I feel better.
I do it accidentally pretty often… don’t feel bad.
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legalpad Fri, Aug 7, 2009 9:10:22pm |
re: #80 albusteve
that happened to me out of the blue yesterday…went to ‘view’ on the toolbar to fix it
cool - it’s there too. thanks
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legalpad Fri, Aug 7, 2009 9:11:12pm |
re: #105 JCM
I do it accidentally pretty often… don’t feel bad.
*ahem* This never happened to me before!
/
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DrNaughty Fri, Aug 7, 2009 9:12:11pm |
What I really really hate about the windows desktop is when the task bar flips up to the side and I can’t grab a corner to put it back down along the bottom
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midwestgak Fri, Aug 7, 2009 9:15:31pm |
re: #89 DrNaughty
Because the ruling class doesn’t have to worry about the proletariat …
Had to look it up.
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JCM Fri, Aug 7, 2009 9:17:44pm |
re: #108 legalpad
*ahem* This never happened to me before!
/
I have fat finger disease. I’ll hit a key combo and have to sit back and think WTF did I just do?
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albusteve Fri, Aug 7, 2009 9:18:06pm |
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swamprat Fri, Aug 7, 2009 9:18:33pm |
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Desert Dog Fri, Aug 7, 2009 9:21:25pm |
re: #93 KingKenrod
Not any more - Obama just signed a bill for $2,000,000,000 more. I think part of that money was going to be used for my hip replacement in about 20 years. I guess they’ll just have to take me out and shoot me instead.
Ice floes are free
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OldLineTexan Fri, Aug 7, 2009 9:21:57pm |
re: #117 Desert Dog
Ice floes are free
Dude, the polar bears are all drownded, so ice floes are out.
/
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Desert Dog Fri, Aug 7, 2009 9:22:58pm |
re: #118 OldLineTexan
Dude, the polar bears are all drownded, so ice floes are out.
/
SAVE the Ice Floes! (We’ll be needing them soon!)
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OldLineTexan Fri, Aug 7, 2009 9:24:01pm |
re: #119 Desert Dog
SAVE the Ice Floes! (We’ll be needing them soon!)
i’m having a sky burial like Grandfather in Little Big Man
/even though my new snake wife does NOT make excellent dog
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Desert Dog Fri, Aug 7, 2009 9:24:02pm |
re: #113 albusteve
“I burned my boobs,” Miller admitted
[Link: www.foxnews.com…]
thread worthy?
We’ll need to study that further, please email us the pictures.
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Mich-again Fri, Aug 7, 2009 9:26:15pm |
re: #113 albusteve
“We burned Sienna’s breasts, she didn’t burn them, we did it,” he said proudly. “We’ve all seen them since then and they look fine.”
Hello!
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Desert Dog Fri, Aug 7, 2009 9:26:45pm |
re: #120 OldLineTexan
i’m having a sky burial like Grandfather in Little Big Man
/even though my new snake wife does NOT make excellent dog
Yes, I told my wife that when I finally go, I want a Viking funeral, repleat with all my treasure, armor, and booty loaded on to the funeral pyre ship…and of course, my wife, she’ll need to be with me in Valhalla.
She told me to have a nice time, and she would catch up with me later…
I think I might be in Valhalla alone…
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OldLineTexan Fri, Aug 7, 2009 9:27:54pm |
re: #123 Desert Dog
Yes, I told my wife that when I finally go, I want a Viking funeral, repleat with all my treasure, armor, and booty loaded on to the funeral pyre ship…and of course, my wife, she’ll need to be with me in Valhalla.
She told me to have a nice time, and she would catch up with me later…
I think I might be in Valhalla alone…
to go to valhalla, we must die in battle
follow me! we are off to a town meeting to astroturf some ass
/
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Desert Dog Fri, Aug 7, 2009 9:30:31pm |
re: #124 OldLineTexan
to go to valhalla, we must die in battle
follow me! we are off to a town meeting to astroturf some ass
/
We’ll take of them bastards with us…as a gift to Odin!
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OldLineTexan Fri, Aug 7, 2009 9:31:23pm |
re: #121 Desert Dog
We’ll need to study that further, please email us the pictures.
This one time, at band camp …
seriously, I mean it …
a very pale girl of seventeen named Kim went topless sunbathing with her swarthier girlfriends waaay down the river and toasted her ta-tas to a cherry red.
She had to wear tube tops to school in lieu of the then-required foundation garment, which required a note from her mother excusing her burned boobs’ brash bralessness.
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Desert Dog Fri, Aug 7, 2009 9:31:32pm |
re: #125 Desert Dog
We’ll take of SOME them bastards with us…as a gift to Odin!
pimf…
Arrogant Bastards kicking in…this is a pre-emptive apology for my spelling and grammar
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OldLineTexan Fri, Aug 7, 2009 9:31:54pm |
re: #125 Desert Dog
We’ll take of them bastards with us…as a gift to Odin!
now you are talking
let’s give ‘em a thor ass, too
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Desert Dog Fri, Aug 7, 2009 9:33:32pm |
re: #126 OldLineTexan
This one time, at band camp …
seriously, I mean it …
a very pale girl of seventeen named Kim went topless sunbathing with her swarthier girlfriends waaay down the river and toasted her ta-tas to a cherry red.
She had to wear tube tops to school in lieu of the then-required foundation garment, which required a note from her mother excusing her burned boobs’ brash bralessness.
Sunburns are painful…I’ve got white, white, white skin…I should know. And, I live in AZ where the UV index is usually similar to the surface of the sun. So, I carry lots of SPF 80 with me, wherever I go.
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Killgore Trout Fri, Aug 7, 2009 9:37:23pm |
re: #97 Thanos
I saw that too. Also the praise of Michelle Bachmann is an indication of where she’s headed. Despite some misgivings the Paulians are entertaining the possibility of embracing her. It looks like she’s willing to embrace back. Very dark times ahead for conservatism.
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Desert Dog Fri, Aug 7, 2009 9:40:46pm |
re: #130 Killgore Trout
I saw that too. Also the praise of Michelle Bachmann is an indication of where she’s headed. Despite some misgivings the Paulians are entertaining the possibility of embracing her. It looks like she’s willing to embrace back. Very dark times ahead for conservatism.
Almost as bleak as the Democrats future…but not quite that bad.
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Killgore Trout Fri, Aug 7, 2009 9:40:59pm |
re: #130 Killgore Trout
Hot Air commenters offer no hope for rational thought becoming stylish any time soon…
Quote of the day
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Killgore Trout Fri, Aug 7, 2009 9:42:31pm |
re: #131 Desert Dog
Not even close. If the economic recovery continues the GOP is screwed. Their only hope at this point is some sort of disaster. I hope they don’t get it.
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Fenway_Nation Fri, Aug 7, 2009 9:43:56pm |
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DrNaughty Fri, Aug 7, 2009 9:44:00pm |
re: #132 Killgore Trout
Hot Air commenters offer no hope for rational thought becoming stylish any time soon…
Quote of the day
Rational thought is anathema to Democrats…
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albusteve Fri, Aug 7, 2009 9:46:05pm |
re: #133 Killgore Trout
Not even close. If the economic recovery continues the GOP is screwed. Their only hope at this point is some sort of disaster. I hope they don’t get it.
don’t underestimate the power of ODS
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Randall Gross Fri, Aug 7, 2009 9:46:47pm |
Creepy at the EPA
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Desert Dog Fri, Aug 7, 2009 9:47:24pm |
re: #133 Killgore Trout
Not even close. If the economic recovery continues the GOP is screwed. Their only hope at this point is some sort of disaster. I hope they don’t get it.
Obama is providing the disaster…this healthcare bill and his reckless spending will retard any real relief.
I want the economy to pick up, I am hoping and praying it does…and when it does, it will be spite of Obama’s best efforts to destroy it.
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albusteve Fri, Aug 7, 2009 9:49:07pm |
re: #138 Desert Dog
Obama is providing the disaster…this healthcare bill and his reckless spending will retard any real relief.
I want the economy to pick up, I am hoping and praying it does…and when it does, it will be spite of Obama’s best efforts to destroy it.
I want my vast wealth back…I lost 40% of my market value
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Fenway_Nation Fri, Aug 7, 2009 9:49:08pm |
re: #138 Desert Dog
Don’t forget Card Check and Cap & Trade…and oh yes…even if the economy is recorvering, murmurings of a 2nd stimulus. None of which will be read by the congresscritters…
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SummerSong Fri, Aug 7, 2009 9:50:07pm |
Killgore - Earlier today you posted about the July 14, 2006 TERRY LYNN KIMBALL, PLAINTIFF, v. ST. LOUIS METROPOLITAN POLICE DEPARTMENT, P.O. KENNETH GLADNEY, P.O. CLAUDE CROCKER AND METRO DUTY SERGEANT, DEFENDANTS case. I wanted to let you know that the outcome of that case reads as follows (per Pacer):
Pursuant to the jury’s verdict returned November 8, 2006,
IT IS HEREBY ORDERED, ADJUDGED AND DECREED that judgment
is entered in favor of defendant P.O. Kenneth Gladney and against
plaintiff on all claims asserted against defendant Gladney in
plaintiff’s complaint.
Dated this 8th day of November, 2006.
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Fenway_Nation Fri, Aug 7, 2009 9:51:39pm |
re: #139 albusteve
I’m only slightly ahead of the game because I bought some shares while everything was low…however, being unemployed tends to eat into whatever gains I’ve managed to make.
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Occasional Reader Fri, Aug 7, 2009 9:52:01pm |
Yo.
I can pretty unreservedly recommend The Hurt Locker. I groaned when the epigraph at the film’s opening was by lying scumbag Chris Hedges; but this was NOT a bash-the-US-military film, at all. It could have used slightly tighter editing, but the EOD scenes and battle scenes were superb; and in general it shows our guys as brave and dedicated, and the insurgents as bad guys. Two scaly lizardoid appendages up.
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Killgore Trout Fri, Aug 7, 2009 9:53:13pm |
re: #141 SummerSong
Ah, thanks. Not surprising. Through all the legalese in the complaint it looks like a drunk fell out of his chair at the police station.
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Fenway_Nation Fri, Aug 7, 2009 9:53:31pm |
re: #143 Occasional Reader
Excellent…curious about that and District 9…
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Desert Dog Fri, Aug 7, 2009 9:55:34pm |
re: #140 Fenway_Nation
Don’t forget Card Check and Cap & Trade…and oh yes…even if the economy is recorvering, murmurings of a 2nd stimulus. None of which will be read by the congresscritters…
Obama will be a one term President if he continues the way he is now. Not one of his goals or plans address the current business climate of this country. He wants to tax the crap out of people to pay of all of his social programs. There is not enough money to pay for it all. Raising taxes in the middle of this economy is about the stupidest thing the government could do right now.
I own a small shipping company. I’ve had as many as 15 employees and now I am down to 4. I am going to make it 3 if things to not improve soon. There is not one performing sector of the economy right now. My bread and butter is semiconductors, printers and trade shows. All of them are down, down, down with no end in sight.
If he wants to help out the poor and destitute, give them a job. And the government cannot give everyone a job. And those jobs have to come from people like me and companies like mine.
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JCM Fri, Aug 7, 2009 9:55:58pm |
re: #140 Fenway_Nation
Don’t forget Card Check and Cap & Trade…and oh yes…even if the economy is recorvering, murmurings of a 2nd stimulus. None of which will be read by the congresscritters…
I’ve seen stuff online that Reid has stuffed Card Check into the Health reform bill, I have not confirmed it, but it sure sounds plausible.
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eddiespaghetti Fri, Aug 7, 2009 9:56:03pm |
re: #138 Desert Dog
True, any economic recovery now is in spite of any fiscal policy from the WH.
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Desert Dog Fri, Aug 7, 2009 9:56:59pm |
re: #145 Fenway_Nation
Excellent…curious about that and District 9…
Me too, that looks like it could either be really good or really bad…I am hoping it’s good…South African locales, unknown actors…oh well, Peter did pretty good with LOTR.
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Fenway_Nation Fri, Aug 7, 2009 9:57:24pm |
re: #147 JCM
I heard somewhere that there was talk of a union exemption from 0bamacare as well…we might be talking about the same provision, tho’.
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pink freud Fri, Aug 7, 2009 9:57:51pm |
re: #146 Desert Dog
Obama will be a one term President if he continues the way he is now. Not one of his goals or plans address the current business climate of this country. He wants to tax the crap out of people to pay of all of his social programs. There is not enough money to pay for it all. Raising taxes in the middle of this economy is about the stupidest thing the government could do right now.
I own a small shipping company. I’ve had as many as 15 employees and now I am down to 4. I am going to make it 3 if things to not improve soon. There is not one performing sector of the economy right now. My bread and butter is semiconductors, printers and trade shows. All of them are down, down, down with no end in sight.
If he wants to help out the poor and destitute, give them a job. And the government cannot give everyone a job. And those jobs have to come from people like me and companies like mine.
You will look back at this post in two years and wonder how it could have gotten so bad, so fast. ‘Then’ will have no resemblance to ‘now’. None.
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eddiespaghetti Fri, Aug 7, 2009 9:57:53pm |
re: #143 Occasional Reader
Have heard the same thing from bro’s of Hurt Locker. Have not seen it yet, but looking forward to it, plus District 9 looks bad ass on preview…
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JCM Fri, Aug 7, 2009 9:57:59pm |
re: #146 Desert Dog
I work in semi conductors, we’re looking flat for Q3, Q4 is looking slightly up.
*Crosses fingers*
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albusteve Fri, Aug 7, 2009 9:58:48pm |
re: #142 Fenway_Nation
I’m only slightly ahead of the game because I bought some shares while everything was low…however, being unemployed tends to eat into whatever gains I’ve managed to make.
I got hammered, work dried up, medical bills knocked me for a loop…any talk of a recovery at this point is premature…I suppose you can debate the definition of recovery…I won’t…in fact the worst may yet come when so many mortgages go under water this coming year…recovery is just a pipedream right now
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JCM Fri, Aug 7, 2009 9:59:17pm |
re: #150 Fenway_Nation
I heard somewhere that there was talk of a union exemption from 0bamacare as well…we might be talking about the same provision, tho’.
That’s the thing with this and Crap-n-Fraud, last minute addendum’s, and place holders.
F’n pig in a poke.
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Killgore Trout Fri, Aug 7, 2009 9:59:40pm |
re: #153 JCM
I hope someday you can work up from semi-conductors the the real thing. Best of luck to you.
/
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Fri, Aug 7, 2009 10:00:19pm |
My congressman is holding town hall meetings all next week. One of them is in a hospital.
Good luck with that.
(Of course, it’s a Portland hospital, so he may just be okay.)
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jaunte Fri, Aug 7, 2009 10:00:19pm |
re: #147 JCM
I’ve seen stuff online that Reid has stuffed Card Check into the Health reform bill, I have not confirmed it, but it sure sounds plausible.
This says it’s still back and forth:
Service Employees International Union President Andy Stern — who has participated in the Senate talks — said in a statement earlier this year that no matter what deal clears the Senate, the voting provisions would be included “in the final bill or by amendment in both houses of Congress.”
But Democrats said any deal that Harkin is able to get with moderates in the Senate will have to be the final word on the legislation — at least for now — and that no major changes could be made if it is expected to become law.
“It’s … the kind of thing that the House would have to eat,” a Democratic aide said, explaining that Democrats in the Senate will need union officials to make the case to Pelosi that she should pass the bill “as is.” The hope is that union officials will accept an imperfect bill as better than nothing. [Link: www.rollcall.com…]
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esch Fri, Aug 7, 2009 10:00:43pm |
re: #146 Desert Dog
There is not enough money to pay for it all. Raising taxes in the middle of this economy is about the stupidest thing the government could do right now.
Ruinous inflation or ruinous taxation. Drastic spending cuts aren’t going to happen, so it’ll be one of those 2.
Most hated black man in American History. Wait for it.
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Desert Dog Fri, Aug 7, 2009 10:00:47pm |
re: #153 JCM
I work in semi conductors, we’re looking flat for Q3, Q4 is looking slightly up.
*Crosses fingers*
Intel, Intel, Intel…they drive it for me. If they sneeze, all of my customers catch a cold. I hope people start buying PC’s and electronics soon.
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Fenway_Nation Fri, Aug 7, 2009 10:00:56pm |
re: #149 Desert Dog
Yep…I’m guessing District 9 will be Apartheid: With Aliens! Just hope it isn’t too heavy-handed about it…
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Occasional Reader Fri, Aug 7, 2009 10:01:01pm |
re: #145 Fenway_Nation
Excellent…curious about that and District 9…
No idea about District 9... looks a little silly to me in the commercials.
I’d be interested to hear what former LGFer (and EOD tech) reaganite thinks about The Hurt Locker. I’m overdue to get in touch with him anyway.
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SummerSong Fri, Aug 7, 2009 10:01:15pm |
re: #144 Killgore Trout
Ah, thanks. Not surprising. Through all the legalese in the complaint it looks like a drunk fell out of his chair at the police station.
Interesting what pops up. Kimball also filed another “civil rights” case in 2004, but it has nothing to do with Gladney.
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Fri, Aug 7, 2009 10:01:16pm |
re: #160 Desert Dog
Intel, Intel, Intel…they drive it for me. If they sneeze, all of my customers catch a cold. I hope people start buying PC’s and electronics soon.
They’ve got my house price, too. (I live very close to a major campus.)
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Desert Dog Fri, Aug 7, 2009 10:03:31pm |
re: #161 Fenway_Nation
Yep…I’m guessing District 9 will be Apartheid: With Aliens! Just hope it isn’t too heavy-handed about it…
It was even filmed in an old shanty town section of Jo-Burg. We’ll see…it looks original, I hope it’s good
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albusteve Fri, Aug 7, 2009 10:03:35pm |
re: #160 Desert Dog
Intel, Intel, Intel…they drive it for me. If they sneeze, all of my customers catch a cold. I hope people start buying PC’s and electronics soon.
Intel has hundreds of permanent layoffs in ABQ…Westinghouse is dumping 400 more jet engine parts jobs…the movie racket is way down here…housing is dead…there is no recovery in ABQ
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Desert Dog Fri, Aug 7, 2009 10:05:53pm |
re: #166 albusteve
Intel has hundreds of permanent layoffs in ABQ…Westinghouse is dumping 400 more jet engine parts jobs…the movie racket is way down here…housing is dead…there is no recovery in ABQ
Phoenix took it in the shorts too…harder than most places I am guessing. This place boomed for almost 20 years…I hope the “bust” cycle is shorter. My house has lost over $275,000 in value the past three years.
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JCM Fri, Aug 7, 2009 10:06:21pm |
re: #156 Killgore Trout
I hope someday you can work up from semi-conductors the the real thing. Best of luck to you.
/
ROFL!
I work in nanovolts.
Conductors are measured in megavolts.
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eddiespaghetti Fri, Aug 7, 2009 10:06:39pm |
re: #161 Fenway_Nation
I am worried it will be Gitmo (the aliens) with Amnesty International to the rescue. Plus a little 28 days later on the Amnesty guys.
Either way, love Peter Jackson. Can’t wait for him to produce The Hobbit. When is that gonna happen?
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The Shadow Do Fri, Aug 7, 2009 10:06:57pm |
re: #153 JCM
I work in semi conductors, we’re looking flat for Q3, Q4 is looking slightly up.
*Crosses fingers*
I work in chemicals. Q3 is death. Q4 is not much better. Q1 ‘10 will be a bloodbath. Bad, bad, bad. That is the future.
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JCM Fri, Aug 7, 2009 10:07:18pm |
re: #167 Desert Dog
Phoenix took it in the shorts too…harder than most places I am guessing. This place boomed for almost 20 years…I hope the “bust” cycle is shorter. My house has lost over $275,000 in value the past three years.
We were “lucky” in the semi industry, only 10% layoffs, some of the others in the industry took a 30% hit.
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Fri, Aug 7, 2009 10:07:47pm |
re: #167 Desert Dog
Phoenix took it in the shorts too…harder than most places I am guessing. This place boomed for almost 20 years…I hope the “bust” cycle is shorter. My house has lost over $275,000 in value the past three years.
I have this neighbor who keeps trying to sell for about $30,000 too much. Not going to happen, but she keeps trying.
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Desert Dog Fri, Aug 7, 2009 10:08:08pm |
re: #169 eddiespaghetti
I am worried it will be Gitmo (the aliens) with Amnesty International to the rescue. Plus a little 28 days later on the Amnesty guys.
Either way, love Peter Jackson. Can’t wait for him to produce The Hobbit. When is that gonna happen?
The Hobbit should be great…
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albusteve Fri, Aug 7, 2009 10:08:16pm |
re: #167 Desert Dog
Phoenix took it in the shorts too…harder than most places I am guessing. This place boomed for almost 20 years…I hope the “bust” cycle is shorter. My house has lost over $275,000 in value the past three years.
I have a nice Coleman, with a vestibule
jus kidding
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KingKenrod Fri, Aug 7, 2009 10:08:45pm |
re: #133 Killgore Trout
Not even close. If the economic recovery continues the GOP is screwed. Their only hope at this point is some sort of disaster. I hope they don’t get it.
I hope there is a recovery, but I’m not so sure the GOP is screwed. Obama will have to run as a tax-and-spend liberal in 2012 if he is successful with his agenda - and polls show that viewpoint is still way out of the mainstream. To counter this perception, Obama and Congress are hoping to pass legislation where the “pain” will be felt after 2012. This will give them time to cement whatever cap-n-trade and Obamacare packages they pass.
If the economy recovers, people will turn the attention to other things - foreign policy, fiscal policy, and various social issues. You can already see people (independents, not just conservatives) are worrying about the huge deficits even though the deficits are being created for economic recovery.
Related, here’s an interesting short story about TIPS and the tightrope Obama and Fed must walk to avoid economic disaster in the longer term:
[Link: latimesblogs.latimes.com…]
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swamprat Fri, Aug 7, 2009 10:09:17pm |
re: #139 albusteve
I want my vast wealth back…I lost 40% of my market value
So now you’re only half-vast wealthy?
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JCM Fri, Aug 7, 2009 10:09:21pm |
re: #170 The Shadow Do
I work in chemicals. Q3 is death. Q4 is not much better. Q1 ‘10 will be a bloodbath. Bad, bad, bad. That is the future.
We are turning into a major player in touch screen devices, next big thing. We maintained our R&D expenditures take a huge hit over the last few quarters to do it, but looking to catch any up swing.
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Desert Dog Fri, Aug 7, 2009 10:10:32pm |
re: #174 albusteve
I have a nice Coleman, with a vestibule
jus kidding
I still have the house, and I can go down to one employee - ME. So, I will make it…It kills me to lay people off though. Some of these guys have been with me for 10-15 years
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albusteve Fri, Aug 7, 2009 10:10:47pm |
re: #176 swamprat
So now you’re only half-vast wealthy?
I used to light my joints with $20 bills…now I use $10s…do the math
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eddiespaghetti Fri, Aug 7, 2009 10:11:31pm |
re: #173 Desert Dog
Agreed, if Peter Jackson does it. I know there is some sort of legal battle for the rights to The Hobbit. I’m just looking for continuity with LOTR, which was done as well as can be expected. I have heard 2011, but that was just word of mouth.
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albusteve Fri, Aug 7, 2009 10:11:58pm |
re: #178 Desert Dog
I still have the house, and I can go down to one employee - ME. So, I will make it…It kills me to lay people off though. Some of these guys have been with me for 10-15 years
I had a remodel business up north in MI…every winter I had to let people go…bummer
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KingKenrod Fri, Aug 7, 2009 10:13:16pm |
re: #153 JCM
I work in semi conductors, we’re looking flat for Q3, Q4 is looking slightly up.
*Crosses fingers*
That’s interesting - I also work in semiconductors. We saw a jump in orders at the end of 2Q and we are ramping up for a strong 3Q and 4Q. We are very cautious as there is a distinct possibility the surge in orders was due to over-conservative ordering from our customers in previous quarters, and the bump may not last.
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albusteve Fri, Aug 7, 2009 10:14:02pm |
re: #180 eddiespaghetti
Agreed, if Peter Jackson does it. I know there is some sort of legal battle for the rights to The Hobbit. I’m just looking for continuity with LOTR, which was done as well as can be expected. I have heard 2011, but that was just word of mouth.
I’d like to see him dive into the Silmarillion…lots of good stuff there…the Hobbit is sort of ho hum for me
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Desert Dog Fri, Aug 7, 2009 10:15:21pm |
re: #172 EmmmieG
I have this neighbor who keeps trying to sell for about $30,000 too much. Not going to happen, but she keeps trying.
Wishful thinking from your neighbor. We all have to wait for the bottom to hit. Once the bank owned and other foreclosures and short sales end…the prices and the buying and selling should increase. The prices got way to high, but now they are getting way to low. I hope some kind of balance comes to this roller coaster
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The Shadow Do Fri, Aug 7, 2009 10:16:09pm |
re: #177 JCM
We are turning into a major player in touch screen devices, next big thing. We maintained our R&D expenditures take a huge hit over the last few quarters to do it, but looking to catch any up swing.
You could be in front of the curve. As for the rest of us? Toilet city.
I work for a company so large that it wants to see the present as opportunity. Wait for a Q or two more of trashed profits and then see what is what.
Optimism has no place whatsover in this environment.
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eddiespaghetti Fri, Aug 7, 2009 10:16:49pm |
re: #183 albusteve
As long as Jackson produces it, I will go.
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Fri, Aug 7, 2009 10:16:49pm |
re: #184 Desert Dog
Wishful thinking from your neighbor. We all have to wait for the bottom to hit. Once the bank owned and other foreclosures and short sales end…the prices and the buying and selling should increase. The prices got way to high, but now they are getting way to low. I hope some kind of balance comes to this roller coaster
She bought the house with someone, but he left, so now she has a house too big for her and her daughter and a payment I am sure is too big. I’ll bet she can’t eat the difference. I feel bad for her, but lots of other are in this boat.
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SummerSong Fri, Aug 7, 2009 10:17:10pm |
re: #167 Desert Dog
Phoenix took it in the shorts too…harder than most places I am guessing. This place boomed for almost 20 years…I hope the “bust” cycle is shorter. My house has lost over $275,000 in value the past three years.
Depends on when you bought, doesn’t it? I live in CA. I bought in 1998. The market gave me a 200% increase in 9 years. It’s taken back about 25% off that.
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albusteve Fri, Aug 7, 2009 10:18:36pm |
re: #188 SummerSong
Depends on when you bought, doesn’t it? I live in CA. I bought in 1998. The market gave me a 200% increase in 9 years. It’s taken back about 25% off that.
the downside is, it’s in CA…I’d flee and head for Portland where everything is looking rosey
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eddiespaghetti Fri, Aug 7, 2009 10:19:17pm |
Q3, Q4 and next fiscal are looking great for me! Sales are up, steady business, huge market potential. I guess I don’t conform to market forces, alas.
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Fenway_Nation Fri, Aug 7, 2009 10:19:49pm |
re: #189 Desert Dog
Good night, Canid of the arid climatic persuasion!
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Fri, Aug 7, 2009 10:19:54pm |
re: #190 albusteve
the downside is, it’s in CA…I’d flee and head for Portland where everything is looking rosey
We bought in 2000, and the house is still worth half again what we paid for it, even with the drop.
The downside is—you have to be able to live with clouds and liberals.
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Fri, Aug 7, 2009 10:21:58pm |
Since I seem to have killed the thread, I will now head off to bed and plot of more evil deeds of thread killings.
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JCM Fri, Aug 7, 2009 10:23:19pm |
re: #182 KingKenrod
That’s interesting - I also work in semiconductors. We saw a jump in orders at the end of 2Q and we are ramping up for a strong 3Q and 4Q. We are very cautious as there is a distinct possibility the surge in orders was due to over-conservative ordering from our customers in previous quarters, and the bump may not last.
We’re still conservative, but restructuring for what the top dogs think is happening.
Personally I think we’re in waters not charted since the 30’s.
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The Shadow Do Fri, Aug 7, 2009 10:23:44pm |
re: #191 eddiespaghetti
Q3, Q4 and next fiscal are looking great for me! Sales are up, steady business, huge market potential. I guess I don’t conform to market forces, alas.
And your business is?…
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JCM Fri, Aug 7, 2009 10:24:12pm |
re: #191 eddiespaghetti
Q3, Q4 and next fiscal are looking great for me! Sales are up, steady business, huge market potential. I guess I don’t conform to market forces, alas.
I’ve reported you to flag@whitehouse.gov, a tax increase will fix your a**!
/// ;-P
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SummerSong Fri, Aug 7, 2009 10:26:46pm |
re: #190 albusteve
the downside is, it’s in CA…I’d flee and head for Portland where everything is looking rosey
Ugh, No. I am a 3rd generation native of CA who had to live elsewhere for decades. I am finally back home. I love CA.
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Syrah Fri, Aug 7, 2009 10:28:55pm |
WASHINGTON – President Barack Obama on Friday welcomed a dip in unemployment as evidence “the worst may be behind us” with the recession well into its second year. Earlier, however, the White House said that the president still expects unemployment to hit 10 percent sometime later this year.White House press secretary Robert Gibbs said the two positions don’t contradict each other.
Fun times.
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HelloDare Fri, Aug 7, 2009 10:29:01pm |
Daniel Hannan, Member of E.U Parliament, on ObamaCare:
“Are you people insane”?
“… we have 1.4 million people employed by our national health service. It is the third biggest employer in the world after the Red Army in China and the India National Railways — most of those 1.4 million people are administrators. The managers outnumber the doctors and nurses and that is the electoral block that makes it almost impossible to get rid of. So if you do this thing … don’t imagine that you can come back in a few years and change your minds.”
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albusteve Fri, Aug 7, 2009 10:29:02pm |
re: #200 SummerSong
Ugh, No. I am a 3rd generation native of CA who had to live elsewhere for decades. I am finally back home. I love CA.
home has to be somewhere…Turnaround Trout hails from Portland…I jested
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swamprat Fri, Aug 7, 2009 10:33:10pm |
re: #196 JCM
We’re still conservative, but restructuring for what the top dogs think is happening.
Personally I think we’re in waters not charted since the 30’s.
Interesting comment, since the Republicans are now acting like 1930’s socialists. We are so far behind it isn’t even funny. We are stealing from a playbook that belongs in the antiquities dept of a museum. We are trying to use the democrat strategies against them, but the strategies are outdated. If the dems really mess up, at this rate Ronpaul will be our next pres.
Republican need to stop trying to act like democrats, and start acting like like they care more about America than politics.
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eddiespaghetti Fri, Aug 7, 2009 10:33:27pm |
re: #200 SummerSong
10 year transplant, I love the weather, but hate the politics. I love the people in the rural areas but it matters not. I revel in the fact that this state is going down in flames because of itself.
Plus, I don’t pay state taxes so I can be an objective observer (sarc).
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freetoken Fri, Aug 7, 2009 10:36:05pm |
Well, I go out for a nice leisurely walk to the store and back… I come to check LGF and see that we are still arguing over the same old things.
Guys… it’s been a whole hour. I would have thought you would have solved all these national and world problems by now.
/I feel old age creeping up on me…
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SummerSong Fri, Aug 7, 2009 10:36:10pm |
re: #204 albusteve
home has to be somewhere…Turnaround Trout hails from Portland…I jested
I knew what Robert Plant felt when he sang, “There’s a feeling I get when I look to the west and my spirit is crying for leaving”.
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JCM Fri, Aug 7, 2009 10:36:47pm |
re: #205 swamprat
Interesting comment, since the Republicans are now acting like 1930’s socialists. We are so far behind it isn’t even funny. We are stealing from a playbook that belongs in the antiquities dept of a museum. We are trying to use the democrat strategies against them, but the strategies are outdated. If the dems really mess up, at this rate Ronpaul will be our next pres.
Republican need to stop trying to act like democrats, and start acting like like they care more about America than politics.
DING!
The political spectrum has shifted. I recall fondly will liberals like Daniel Patrick Moynihan, and moderates like Scoop Jackson ruled the (D)s. Where would they be now?
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albusteve Fri, Aug 7, 2009 10:39:19pm |
re: #208 SummerSong
I knew what Robert Plant felt when he sang, “There’s a feeling I get when I look to the west and my spirit is crying for leaving”.
I simply could not live anywhere else other than Albuquerque…I know how you feel…it’s more than a place, it’s a vibe
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SummerSong Fri, Aug 7, 2009 10:39:37pm |
re: #206 eddiespaghetti
10 year transplant, I love the weather, but hate the politics. I love the people in the rural areas but it matters not. I revel in the fact that this state is going down in flames because of itself.
Plus, I don’t pay state taxes so I can be an objective observer (sarc).
Ha! Tell me about it. My next door neighbor had a baby shower for her most recent husband’s daughter and ended up drunk and yelling, “F all Republicans”. LOL!
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eddiespaghetti Fri, Aug 7, 2009 10:40:03pm |
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Killgore Trout Fri, Aug 7, 2009 10:41:00pm |
re: #205 swamprat
Republican need to stop trying to act like democrats, and start acting like like they care more about America than politics.
Thanks for posting that.
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SummerSong Fri, Aug 7, 2009 10:41:54pm |
re: #210 albusteve
I simply could not live anywhere else other than Albuquerque…I know how you feel…it’s more than a place, it’s a vibe
Yes! It is where I feel alive!
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Killgore Trout Fri, Aug 7, 2009 10:43:05pm |
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Syrah Fri, Aug 7, 2009 10:43:40pm |
“The major sectors that have pulled us out before are not happening this time — housing, durables, exports,” says economist Heidi Shierholz of the Economic Policy Institute.Friday’s unemployment report is likely to show that the economy is shedding fewer jobs but it’s not creating many either. Analysts expect the government to report that 320,000 jobs were lost in July, far fewer than in previous months. But the unemployment rate is expected to inch up to 9.6 percent, the highest in 26 years.
What sectors will pull us out?
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Syrah Fri, Aug 7, 2009 10:44:29pm |
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albusteve Fri, Aug 7, 2009 10:45:13pm |
re: #209 JCM
DING!
The political spectrum has shifted. I recall fondly will liberals like Daniel Patrick Moynihan, and moderates like Scoop Jackson ruled the (D)s. Where would they be now?
the toxic allure of liberalism is strong…the beast consumes the will and softens American fighting spirit, personal liberties dwindle away until you never know you had them…too many people, too many self interests…it’s a feast for the power mongers and professional pols…I despise liberalism
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Austin_blue Fri, Aug 7, 2009 10:50:03pm |
re: #159 esch
Ruinous inflation or ruinous taxation. Drastic spending cuts aren’t going to happen, so it’ll be one of those 2.
Most hated black man in American History. Wait for it.
Wow. Willie Horton must be quaking.
I mean really. I’ve seen gratuitous racist statements on this board (most of the posters who made them have been banned), but that is absolutely outrageous.
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albusteve Fri, Aug 7, 2009 10:51:56pm |
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eddiespaghetti Fri, Aug 7, 2009 10:54:32pm |
re: #221 albusteve
Liberalism Progressive, Abortion right to choose / reproductive rights, Global Warming climate change, Tax increase Revenue source…
It appears that the control of language is important.
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swamprat Fri, Aug 7, 2009 10:55:01pm |
Going to sleep, to dream of chocolate robot puppies.
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Syrah Fri, Aug 7, 2009 10:55:53pm |
re: #225 albusteve
the govt sector is doing well
They seem to be.
How does government create wealth?
My limited understanding of economics leads me to understand that government can’t create wealth at all. Printing money does not create wealth, it only dilutes what wealth already exists. Redistributing wealth is at best, zero-sum.
Can government create wealth?
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Killgore Trout Fri, Aug 7, 2009 10:56:10pm |
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hous bin pharteen Fri, Aug 7, 2009 10:56:12pm |
OT:
Read “Open afternoon thread. Comment 754. ”
Every doctor and nurse who knows me, tells me there is a reason I came back
If the are right, that may be one of the reasons. Good night lizards. Have a nice weekend.
Sunday I have to watch them damn NASCAR boys run where I can’t this year. All I can do this year is drool on the TV.
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Austin_blue Fri, Aug 7, 2009 10:57:18pm |
re: #229 Syrah
They seem to be.
How does government create wealth?
My limited understanding of economics leads me to understand that government can’t create wealth at all. Printing money does not create wealth, it only dilutes what wealth already exists. Redistributing wealth is at best, zero-sum.
Can government create wealth?
Ummm… have you taken a look at the Defense Department?
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JCM Fri, Aug 7, 2009 10:58:19pm |
re: #221 albusteve
the toxic allure of liberalism is strong…the beast consumes the will and softens American fighting spirit, personal liberties dwindle away until you never know you had them…too many people, too many self interests…it’s a feast for the power mongers and professional pols…I despise liberalism
Liberalism is easy, no responsibility, no consequences.
Conservatism is hard, it’s all on the individual, success, failure, the individual owns it.
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freetoken Fri, Aug 7, 2009 10:58:26pm |
re: #227 eddiespaghetti
Global Warmingclimate change,
That is such a …
“Climate change” as a term has been around for a while. It is more appropriate that “global warming” as the latter in many peoples’ minds will simply imply changes in temperature, where in reality changes in precipitation are just as important.
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albusteve Fri, Aug 7, 2009 10:58:27pm |
re: #227 eddiespaghetti
LiberalismProgressive,Abortionright to choose / reproductive rights,Global Warmingclimate change,Tax increaseRevenue source…It appears that the control of language is important.
if you control the language, you control the dialog…pretty simple
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albusteve Fri, Aug 7, 2009 11:00:04pm |
re: #229 Syrah
They seem to be.
How does government create wealth?
My limited understanding of economics leads me to understand that government can’t create wealth at all. Printing money does not create wealth, it only dilutes what wealth already exists. Redistributing wealth is at best, zero-sum.
Can government create wealth?
a socialist govt can create wealth…otherwise no, and it shouldn’t…bad idea
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Syrah Fri, Aug 7, 2009 11:01:44pm |
re: #232 Austin_blue
Ummm… have you taken a look at the Defense Department?
They make things that go “Boom.” The Defense Department is a wealth destroying agency. Destroying wealth, even if is someone elses wealth, is still destroying wealth.
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albusteve Fri, Aug 7, 2009 11:02:09pm |
re: #234 JCM
Liberalism is easy, no responsibility, no consequences.
Conservatism is hard, it’s all on the individual, success, failure, the individual owns it.
yes, simplicity is the ultimate sophistication
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Syrah Fri, Aug 7, 2009 11:02:43pm |
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JCM Fri, Aug 7, 2009 11:03:03pm |
re: #232 Austin_blue
Ummm… have you taken a look at the Defense Department?
DoD protects the wealth creation.
Also one of the few Constitutional mandates for government, provide for the common defense.
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eddiespaghetti Fri, Aug 7, 2009 11:03:36pm |
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Syrah Fri, Aug 7, 2009 11:04:24pm |
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albusteve Fri, Aug 7, 2009 11:04:33pm |
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Austin_blue Fri, Aug 7, 2009 11:05:35pm |
re: #234 JCM
Liberalism is easy, no responsibility, no consequences.
Conservatism is hard, it’s all on the individual, success, failure, the individual owns it.
Oh, have mercy. The preamble to the Constitution starts “We the people”, not “I the individual”. Our Constitution is based on a Social Contract between the people and the government.
Do you think it is a coincidence that Ron Paul’s son, who announced for political office yesterday, is named Rand?
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Syrah Fri, Aug 7, 2009 11:06:22pm |
re: #245 albusteve
control resources by law…or simply nationalize them…you’re in business!
If that works, why were the soviets not wealthy beyond the dreams of Midas?
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albusteve Fri, Aug 7, 2009 11:07:34pm |
ironic how Arnold out in CA is pressing to get after the oil out there to feed state revenue…not out of principle but out of desperation to turn a buck…haha!…hilarious…what is that called?, positive blowback?
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fizzlogic Fri, Aug 7, 2009 11:07:48pm |
re: #72 Charles
It’s a rehashing of the Terry Schiavo arguments.
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albusteve Fri, Aug 7, 2009 11:08:41pm |
re: #247 Syrah
If that works, why were the soviets not wealthy beyond the dreams of Midas?
corruption and stupidity…communism and making money are polar opposites
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eddiespaghetti Fri, Aug 7, 2009 11:09:56pm |
re: #245 albusteve
Dude, socialism totally works! Unless you want to wipe your ass…
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Syrah Fri, Aug 7, 2009 11:11:07pm |
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Fenway_Nation Fri, Aug 7, 2009 11:11:39pm |
re: #248 albusteve
ironic how Arnold out in CA is pressing to get after the oil out there to feed state revenue…not out of principle but out of desperation to turn a buck…haha!…hilarious…what is that called?, positive blowback?
Before cap and trade goes into effect, obviously…
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JCM Fri, Aug 7, 2009 11:12:22pm |
re: #246 Austin_blue
Oh, have mercy. The preamble to the Constitution starts “We the people”, not “I the individual”. Our Constitution is based on a Social Contract between the people and the government.
Do you think it is a coincidence that Ron Paul’s son, who announced for political office yesterday, is named Rand?
The Constitution is a contract between The People and the government, it limits government, not the people. Government has for too long exceeded the contract. We the People is comprised of individuals, who recognizes certain things require a central government, but that government has to recognize it’s limits.
The individual is sovereign even under our Constitution, it’s called consent of the governed. Sovereign Individuals, entering into a mutual contract.
We have a government of the people for the people by the people, not a government ruling and providing for the people.
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austin_blue Fri, Aug 7, 2009 11:13:33pm |
re: #241 JCM
DoD protects the wealth creation.
Also one of the few Constitutional mandates for government, provide for the common defense.
F-22. Feh.
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freetoken Fri, Aug 7, 2009 11:13:48pm |
re: #243 eddiespaghetti
Well… ok, but a more technically correct term such as “human-caused climate perturbations” is not only a mouthful but will likely leave many people scratching their heads.
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albusteve Fri, Aug 7, 2009 11:14:33pm |
re: #252 Syrah
So how does or can concentrating ownership control in the hands of the state (#245) create wealth?
if the state mines the resources and sells them at a profit, it has created wealth…Hugo Chavez has done this with his oil, or close to it…the House of Saud owns their oil…they contract to find it and drill it but they own it
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Jack Burton Fri, Aug 7, 2009 11:17:53pm |
re: #256 freetoken
Well… ok, but a more technically correct term such as “human-caused climate perturbations” is not only a mouthful but will likely leave many people scratching their heads.
I prefer Human-Enhanced (or accelerated perhaps?) Climate Perturbations thank you very much.
We are increasing, by how much is debatable, the frequency and amplitude of the average global temperature wave, not causing the wave in the first place.
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jcm Fri, Aug 7, 2009 11:17:55pm |
re: #255 austin_blue
F-22. Feh.
Look around the world.
Wealth is not created where investments are not protected. Through politic stability, and physical protection.
Why do think 5% of the worlds population has created 25% of the worlds product?
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eddiespaghetti Fri, Aug 7, 2009 11:18:14pm |
re: #256 freetoken
As a rational man, I will then have to conclude that every other ‘perterbation’ (millions, mind you) were not ‘man-made’. Call me a skeptic, I have free thought, love science and will not conform to “settled science”. Such a rebel I am (yoda speak).
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Jack Burton Fri, Aug 7, 2009 11:19:28pm |
re: #259 jcm
Look around the world.
Wealth is not created where investments are not protected. Through politic stability, and physical protection.
Why do think 5% of the worlds population has created 25% of the worlds product?
The Man® Keeping them down!
//
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albusteve Fri, Aug 7, 2009 11:19:45pm |
re: #259 jcm
Look around the world.
Wealth is not created where investments are not protected. Through politic stability, and physical protection.
Why do think 5% of the worlds population has created 25% of the worlds product?
plus she’s just too hot not to build
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albusteve Fri, Aug 7, 2009 11:20:44pm |
re: #261 ArchangelMichael
The Man® Keeping them down!
//
he sure did in Detroit, for example…nice town eh?
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Jack Burton Fri, Aug 7, 2009 11:22:17pm |
re: #264 albusteve
he sure did in Detroit, for example…nice town eh?
All I’ve seen of Detroit was in Robocop… and that was filmed in Dallas anyway.
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albusteve Fri, Aug 7, 2009 11:22:52pm |
LibMan!…the destroyer!
CA is goin down…next!
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jcm Fri, Aug 7, 2009 11:24:13pm |
re: #262 albusteve
plus she’s just too hot not to build
True dat!
1000mph without burners.
1600mph max speed.
Stealth.
Interlinked combat systems.
Anything else in the air is a sitting duck.
If anything the guys with muddy boots deserve clear skies overhead.
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austin_blue Fri, Aug 7, 2009 11:25:31pm |
re: #254 JCM
The Constitution is a contract between The People and the government, it limits government, not the people. Government has for too long exceeded the contract. We the People is comprised of individuals, who recognizes certain things require a central government, but that government has to recognize it’s limits.
The individual is sovereign even under our Constitution, it’s called consent of the governed. Sovereign Individuals, entering into a mutual contract.
We have a government of the people for the people by the people, not a government ruling and providing for the people.
Now. *this* is a conversation we should all be having without screaming at the top of our lungs at our elected representatives.
Let’s take a look at your individual statement:
“Government has for too long exceeded the contract.”
How? If the basic tenet is a social contract, how has it been exceeded? If the preamble is correct, and the purpose of the country is to promote the common good and create a more perfect union, how can you argue against the government policy now proposed?
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Jack Burton Fri, Aug 7, 2009 11:25:35pm |
re: #266 albusteve
LibMan!…the destroyer!
CA is goin down…next!
Crush the citizens, see them driven before you, hear the lamentation of the taxpayers.
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albusteve Fri, Aug 7, 2009 11:26:03pm |
re: #265 ArchangelMichael
All I’ve seen of Detroit was in Robocop… and that was filmed in Dallas anyway.
when I was a kid, Detroit was the forth biggest city in the country…a manufacturing powerhouse…after 40yrs of liberal and union rule it has become a dangerous wasteland
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albusteve Fri, Aug 7, 2009 11:27:04pm |
re: #267 jcm
True dat!
1000mph without burners.
1600mph max speed.Stealth.
Interlinked combat systems.
Anything else in the air is a sitting duck.
If anything the guys with muddy boots deserve clear skies overhead.
letting that bird go is an insult…a vast perversion of reality
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eddiespaghetti Fri, Aug 7, 2009 11:28:30pm |
re: #267 jcm
Unfortunately, she’s done. Legislative branch has spoken (via Gates/McCain/WH). It’s over.
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albusteve Fri, Aug 7, 2009 11:29:08pm |
re: #268 austin_blue
Now. *this* is a conversation we should all be having without screaming at the top of our lungs at our elected representatives.
Let’s take a look at your individual statement:
“Government has for too long exceeded the contract.”
How? If the basic tenet is a social contract, how has it been exceeded? If the preamble is correct, and the purpose of the country is to promote the common good and create a more perfect union, how can you argue against the government policy now proposed?
why don’t you concentrate on the successes of liberalism in America?…just drop the bullshit and cut to the chase…how’s that war on poverty working out?
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Syrah Fri, Aug 7, 2009 11:30:15pm |
re: #257 albusteve
if the state mines the resources and sells them at a profit, it has created wealth…Hugo Chavez has done this with his oil, or close to it…the House of Saud owns their oil…they contract to find it and drill it but they own it
I will think further on that.
It seems to suggest that the economics between nation-states is inherently free-market, even if the economies of their subject peoples may be even as oppressive as chattel slavery.
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Jack Burton Fri, Aug 7, 2009 11:31:52pm |
re: #268 austin_blue
If the preamble is correct, and the purpose of the country is to promote the common good and create a more perfect union, how can you argue against the government policy now proposed?
Aside from the fact that it’s an unworkable boondoggle which will bankrupt the country post haste, its not kosher in the parts of the text of the Constitution that matter, like the enumerated powers clauses. Meaning regardless of whether you think its a “good idea” that will “solve” some problem, it’s not the government’s place to do so. There is a role for government. Taking care of everybody’s medical bills is not part of that role.
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albusteve Fri, Aug 7, 2009 11:32:32pm |
re: #274 Syrah
I will think further on that.
It seems to suggest that the economics between nation-states is inherently free-market, even if the economies of their subject peoples may be even as oppressive as chattel slavery.
you have flint, I have skins…lets talk
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austin_blue Fri, Aug 7, 2009 11:33:42pm |
re: #273 albusteve
why don’t you concentrate on the successes of liberalism in America?…just drop the bullshit and cut to the chase…how’s that war on poverty working out?
Thank you for throwing a complete non sequiter into the conversation!
Nice to see that people on this board are willing to throw brickbats into what would otherwise be a constructive conversation.
GAZE.
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jcm Fri, Aug 7, 2009 11:34:38pm |
re: #268 austin_blue
Now. *this* is a conversation we should all be having without screaming at the top of our lungs at our elected representatives.
Let’s take a look at your individual statement:
“Government has for too long exceeded the contract.”
How? If the basic tenet is a social contract, how has it been exceeded? If the preamble is correct, and the purpose of the country is to promote the common good and create a more perfect union, how can you argue against the government policy now proposed?
Emanations of a penumbra.
The Constitution has provisions for amendments.
Read the Federalist papers for “common good” what you call common good is a perversion.
Basically, the common good benefits all equally. It is not Marx’s “from each according to his ability, to each according to his needs.” It is we all shoulder a equal share proportionately, for equal benefit.
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eddiespaghetti Fri, Aug 7, 2009 11:35:03pm |
re: #268 austin_blue
Life, liberty and the PERSUIT of happiness…
Being an active verb, not the right to equity of result, not the right to the department of ‘happiness’, ‘happy stamps’ or any other progressive attempt to tear down the doers for the sake of the non-doers.
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jcm Fri, Aug 7, 2009 11:35:13pm |
re: #272 eddiespaghetti
Unfortunately, she’s done. Legislative branch has spoken (via Gates/McCain/WH). It’s over.
*spit*
We’ll regret it.
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Syrah Fri, Aug 7, 2009 11:37:07pm |
re: #276 albusteve
you have flint, I have skins…lets talk
Some economies can end up nasty, brutish and short.
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jcm Fri, Aug 7, 2009 11:38:09pm |
It’s late.
I’ve a pint of Stone 13th Anniversary on board.
I’m outta here.
Night all.
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Jack Burton Fri, Aug 7, 2009 11:38:19pm |
To get to the core of the issue. Leftists who claim that there is or should be a “right” to health care ignore the fact that health care has to come from somewhere. It does not just fall out of the sky. People, with jobs, called doctors provide the service and it costs them a lot to do so. If you have a right to claim their service for free that means in lieu of a government to steal money from everyone to pay that doctor for you, you would have the right to force the doctor to work for you and provide his service for free. That sounds an awful lot like something very disgusting.
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albusteve Fri, Aug 7, 2009 11:38:43pm |
re: #277 austin_blue
Thank you for throwing a complete non sequiter into the conversation!
Nice to see that people on this board are willing to throw brickbats into what would otherwise be a constructive conversation.GAZE.
you want to impress me with some “perfect union” non sense?…intellectualize it to death until the reality is a bunch of mish mash spin?…I’m not your guy…just you tell me what happened to MI and CA and MASS…that’s where the rubber hits the road, not with some elitists dialog that you can’t control with me…answer my questions and I’ll consider answering yours…don’t dash off all misty eyed
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Syrah Fri, Aug 7, 2009 11:39:24pm |
re: #281 eddiespaghetti
If China roars, then we will.
Taiwan is nothing but a tasty morsel for their taking at this point. Obama would do less than nothing to stop them.
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eddiespaghetti Fri, Aug 7, 2009 11:40:03pm |
re: #284 ArchangelMichael
I have a ‘right’ to a cool car, a hot hoochie and a dope pad.
Make it happen!
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albusteve Fri, Aug 7, 2009 11:41:16pm |
re: #287 eddiespaghetti
I have a ‘right’ to a cool car, a hot hoochie and a dope pad.
Make it happen!
when my turn comes, I’m ready…
Image: 1967ChevelleSS018.jpg
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Wendya Fri, Aug 7, 2009 11:41:45pm |
re: #246 Austin_blue
Oh, have mercy. The preamble to the Constitution starts “We the people”, not “I the individual”. Our Constitution is based on a Social Contract between the people and the government.
The rights protected by the constitution are individual rights, not group rights. They are not dependent on the whims of the collective.
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eddiespaghetti Fri, Aug 7, 2009 11:42:01pm |
re: #286 Syrah
True, but I think they are pretty smart and have a huge time horizon. Your grand-kids may have to worry about it.
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albusteve Fri, Aug 7, 2009 11:43:28pm |
re: #286 Syrah
Taiwan is nothing but a tasty morsel for their taking at this point. Obama would do less than nothing to stop them.
don’t even think about it…an epic disaster…actually I hope somebody IS thinking about it
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Wendya Fri, Aug 7, 2009 11:44:57pm |
re: #268 austin_blue
How? If the basic tenet is a social contract, how has it been exceeded? If the preamble is correct, and the purpose of the country is to promote the common good and create a more perfect union, how can you argue against the government policy now proposed?
The constitution was written to limit the powers of the government and protect the rights of the individual citizens. The preamble is nothing more than a foreword from the authors.
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albusteve Fri, Aug 7, 2009 11:45:26pm |
re: #289 Wendya
The rights protected by the constitution are individual rights, not group rights. They are not dependent on the whims of the collective.
classic socialist
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Wendya Fri, Aug 7, 2009 11:47:03pm |
re: #284 ArchangelMichael
To get to the core of the issue. Leftists who claim that there is or should be a “right” to health care ignore the fact that health care has to come from somewhere. It does not just fall out of the sky. People, with jobs, called doctors provide the service and it costs them a lot to do so. If you have a right to claim their service for free that means in lieu of a government to steal money from everyone to pay that doctor for you, you would have the right to force the doctor to work for you and provide his service for free. That sounds an awful lot like something very disgusting.
It’s not a “right” if another individual is forced to give something up in order to provide it.
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Syrah Fri, Aug 7, 2009 11:47:20pm |
re: #292 albusteve
don’t even think about it…an epic disaster…actually I hope somebody IS thinking about it
I worry that HRC or some other Administration clod will publicly say that the US will do nothing in such a situation.
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albusteve Fri, Aug 7, 2009 11:50:57pm |
re: #296 Syrah
I worry that HRC or some other Administration clod will publicly say that the US will do nothing in such a situation.
I’ve posted before that someone in this admin will fly over the top and shock almost everybody…we’ve already heard some pretty controversial and highly provocative BS from BO himself…the worst may be yet to come…I won’t be surprised
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austin_blue Fri, Aug 7, 2009 11:51:54pm |
re: #275 ArchangelMichael
Aside from the fact that it’s an unworkable boondoggle which will bankrupt the country post haste, its not kosher in the parts of the text of the Constitution that matter, like the enumerated powers clauses. Meaning regardless of whether you think its a “good idea” that will “solve” some problem, it’s not the government’s place to do so. There is a role for government. Taking care of everybody’s medical bills is not part of that role.
I have read your post five times- really- and I think I have an idea what it means. But I’m not clear.
Here is clarity.
The United States is the only country in the Western World that does not have socialized health care.
Remarkably enough, those that have socialized health seem to be generally happy with their health delivery systems. It has not ruined their economies.
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eddiespaghetti Fri, Aug 7, 2009 11:52:55pm |
re: #296 Syrah
Would do nothing if China invaded Tiawan? That would be a major policy change…
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Syrah Fri, Aug 7, 2009 11:54:36pm |
re: #299 eddiespaghetti
Would do nothing if China invaded Tiawan? That would be a major policy change…
Obama seems to be all about major policy changes.
Can you see him willing to go toe to toe with China over Taiwan?
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austin_blue Fri, Aug 7, 2009 11:55:02pm |
re: #289 Wendya
The rights protected by the constitution are individual rights, not group rights. They are not dependent on the whims of the collective.
Oh, that is so wrong.
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eddiespaghetti Fri, Aug 7, 2009 11:56:26pm |
re: #298 austin_blue
Are you serious? NHC is a f#$king joke in England / Canada, if you care to lift the rock. Unless you know somebody, nepotism wise. Then it’s the shit.
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austin_blue Fri, Aug 7, 2009 11:58:09pm |
re: #302 eddiespaghetti
Are you serious? NHC is a f#$king joke in England / Canada, if you care to lift the rock. Unless you know somebody, nepotism wise. Then it’s the shit.
Check the number of people who want to change it.
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eddiespaghetti Fri, Aug 7, 2009 11:58:23pm |
re: #300 Syrah
I honestly can’t see it either way. And I hope / pray I am correct. But I have a high confidence value, FWIW.
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eddiespaghetti Fri, Aug 7, 2009 11:59:39pm |
re: #303 austin_blue
I guess you know somebody.
Schedule me for a hip replacement in 2029, make it happen comrade!
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albusteve Sat, Aug 8, 2009 12:00:08am |
re: #298 austin_blue
I have read your post five times- really- and I think I have an idea what it means. But I’m not clear.
Here is clarity.
The United States is the only country in the Western World that does not have socialized health care.
Remarkably enough, those that have socialized health seem to be generally happy with their health delivery systems. It has not ruined their economies.
total bullshit…the Canadians flock to the US for treatments…and health care delivery in the UK is an unmitigated disaster…and besides that who gives a shit what other people have for health care?…ours is the finest in the world
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austin_blue Sat, Aug 8, 2009 12:03:11am |
re: #305 eddiespaghetti
I guess you know somebody.
Schedule me for a hip replacement in 2029, make it happen comrade!
Sweet! You have joined the folks who believe that your pain requires a 25% return on investment!
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Jack Burton Sat, Aug 8, 2009 12:03:26am |
re: #298 austin_blue
I have read your post five times- really- and I think I have an idea what it means. But I’m not clear.
Here is clarity.
The United States is the only country in the Western World that does not have socialized health care.
Remarkably enough, those that have socialized health seem to be generally happy with their health delivery systems. It has not ruined their economies.
Perpetually having double-digit unemployment, flat GDP growth, and having to have their defense underwritten by us doesn’t sound like a booming economy to me.
And “The United States is the only country in the Western World that does not have socialized health care.” is not clarity. It’s called Argumentum ad Populum… otherwise known as the bandwagon fallacy. I’ll tell you what any parent tells their child. “If everyone else was jumping off a cliff would you too?”
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Wendya Sat, Aug 8, 2009 12:04:35am |
re: #298 austin_blue
The United States is the only country in the Western World that does not have socialized health care.
Yet we have a higher overall cancer survival rate.
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Wendya Sat, Aug 8, 2009 12:05:18am |
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eddiespaghetti Sat, Aug 8, 2009 12:05:47am |
re: #307 austin_blue
I don’t even have any pain yet, I just know that it’s my ‘right’.
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austin_blue Sat, Aug 8, 2009 12:09:05am |
re: #308 ArchangelMichael
Perpetually having double-digit unemployment, flat GDP growth, and having to have their defense underwritten by us doesn’t sound like a booming economy to me.
And “The United States is the only country in the Western World that does not have socialized health care.” is not clarity. It’s called Argumentum ad Populum… otherwise known as the bandwagon fallacy. I’ll tell you what any parent tells their child. “If everyone else was jumping off a cliff would you too?”
No. But if everybody else has jumped off the cliff and it has decreased their percentage of health care respective to their GDP from 16% to 9% with no real decrease in care (despite the horror stories from thew insurance lobby- Who knew?) what is the downside?
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Jack Burton Sat, Aug 8, 2009 12:11:56am |
re: #312 austin_blue
No. But if everybody else has jumped off the cliff and it has decreased their percentage of health care respective to their GDP from 16% to 9% with no real decrease in care (despite the horror stories from thew insurance lobby- Who knew?) what is the downside?
LOL WUT?!?
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austin_blue Sat, Aug 8, 2009 12:13:17am |
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Jack Burton Sat, Aug 8, 2009 12:13:43am |
re: #312 austin_blue
So all those Canadian’s coming here when they need to get something dealt with fast before they die waiting in line is just an figment of everyone’s imagination.
The increase of costs of private insurance in the UK as an alternative to the NHS is astronomical. That’s an illusion too?
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eddiespaghetti Sat, Aug 8, 2009 12:15:27am |
re: #312 austin_blue
Wretch. Insurance lobby, filthy capitalists.
CT scans per capita, MRI’s per capita, mammograms per capita, terminal care…
Pesky facts, I fucking hate them.
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austin_blue Sat, Aug 8, 2009 12:20:00am |
re: #315 ArchangelMichael
So all those Canadian’s coming here when they need to get something dealt with fast before they die waiting in line is just an figment of everyone’s imagination.
The increase of costs of private insurance in the UK as an alternative to the NHS is astronomical. That’s an illusion too?
Which Canadiens? I hear a lot about them…
What I hear a lot more about is Americans going to India and Singapore for procedures because their insurance policies are inadequate.
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eddiespaghetti Sat, Aug 8, 2009 12:23:53am |
re: #318 austin_blue
I want to be a ward of the state from birth till death, sign me up dude.
I am from the government, I’m here to help you!
What could go wrong?
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Jack Burton Sat, Aug 8, 2009 12:26:37am |
Newsflash, since some seem to be unable to get it through their heads. Even if it was cheaper and “worked” I would oppose this because I have logical consistency in my underlying political philosophy. Limited government is not something I abandon when it is inconvenient. My basis for supporting government action is not sole based on whether it “seems like a good idea” or not. That is a few notches down on the list behind Constitutionality and whether it is the proper role of government. It is not the role of Government to provide cradle to grave medical services to everyone. It is the responsibility of the individual to take care of themselves.
Can’t afford to get a lung transplant or chemotherapy, stop smoking. Can’t afford a liver transplant, stop drinking Beer like its water. Can’t afford angioplasty and heart surgery, spot eating sour cream and salsa pork rinds. It is not my responsibility to pay for your irresponsibility.
I really just cant figure out how, leftists, who claim to be “liberal” and get in a tizzy about personal privacy at the top of a hat, and who claim to want the government to stay out of their private lives, want to open the floodgates to the worst intrusion of government into individual privacy ever conceived.
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Jack Burton Sat, Aug 8, 2009 12:27:50am |
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Syrah Sat, Aug 8, 2009 12:29:14am |
re: #319 eddiespaghetti
I want to be a ward of the state from birth till death, sign me up dude.
I am from the government, I’m here to help you!
What could go wrong?
When the government is in charge of how much money can be spent on a persons health care, the Doctor’s declaration of “There is nothing we can do for you.” may well be more about the limits of the government budget then about the abilities of medical science.
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Syrah Sat, Aug 8, 2009 12:31:16am |
re: #320 ArchangelMichael
It is their narcissism. They really don’t give a damn about anyone else. They want free stuff for themselves.
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iceweasel Sat, Aug 8, 2009 12:36:55am |
re: #323 Syrah
It is their narcissism. They really don’t give a damn about anyone else. They want free stuff for themselves.
No, ‘they’ want coverage for the millions of uninsured Americans and Americans who are underinsured.
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Jack Burton Sat, Aug 8, 2009 12:40:20am |
re: #325 iceweasel
No, ‘they’ want coverage for the millions of uninsured Americans and Americans who are underinsured.
Which is other people paying for their personal (ir)responsibility.
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Syrah Sat, Aug 8, 2009 12:48:23am |
re: #325 iceweasel
No, ‘they’ want coverage for the millions of uninsured Americans and Americans who are underinsured.
They want to compel some to support others.
Altruism is a funny thing. It is more often than not an expression of a compulsion to compel.
I may have been too inclusive on #325 to say that they want it only so they can have free stuff. I forgot about the altruism angle.
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iceweasel Sat, Aug 8, 2009 12:54:14am |
re: #326 ArchangelMichael
Which is other people paying for their personal (ir)responsibility.
No. Do you really think that all illnesses, medical conditions, or accidents are the result of personal irresponsibility? I understand how comforting it is to think so— it’s a way of believing such things can never happen to ourselves. But it isn’t so.
Did you know that health insurance companies in Ohio can deny insurance to babies born with Downs Syndrome— which they consider a ‘pre-existing condition’? You can pay your premiums forever, but god forbid your baby have Downs— he or she won’t be covered.
The industry as it is is broken.
[Link: obsidianwings.blogs.com…]
Margaret Demko, the mother of three-year-old Emily, testified before the Ohio Finance Committee on February 27, 2008, on how waiting for health care coverage has impacted Emily and her future.Emily was born with Down Syndrome. After receiving Emily’s diagnosis, the family decided that it was important for Margaret to stay home in order to best meet the needs of their child. They explored numerous options after losing their employer-sponsored coverage, but due to Emily’s pre-existing condition, the Demkos were denied private coverage. Luckily, they qualified for Medicaid. However, by their 6-month reauthorization meeting, the monthly family income was $135 over the allowable limits.
The medical bills, in excess of $3,500 a month, were devastating, forcing the family to make difficult decisions regarding therapy. Emily’s medical condition requires orthotic shoe inserts, physical therapy, and corrective eye treatments, as well as hearing and blood tests. The Demkos cannot afford to incur all the expenses at once.
And I really dislike the meme that “everyone who wants health reform is a lazy narcissist who wants something for nothing.” That’s as destructive to our discourse, and as unfair, as saying “Everyone who opposes health care reform is a selfish prick who hates the poor, and whose only guiding principle is “I got mine so fuck you.” ‘
Neither are true and both do a disservice to the good people on both sides of the debate, in my opinion.
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iceweasel Sat, Aug 8, 2009 12:58:39am |
re: #327 Syrah
Altruism is a funny thing. It is more often than not an expression of a compulsion to compel.
Sez who? Ayn Rand? I don’t buy it.
And I bet most here wouldn’t buy it either. Do you honestly believe all the many people who volunteer, donate, perform charity work are ‘expressing a compulsion to compel’?
Maybe I have somewhat more of an optimistic view of human nature than you do.
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Syrah Sat, Aug 8, 2009 12:59:34am |
re: #328 iceweasel
Do you think that the contract that the Demko’s entered into freely with out force or compulsion should be changed in their favor now that a situation has arisen outside of the scope of that contract?
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Syrah Sat, Aug 8, 2009 1:03:17am |
re: #329 iceweasel
Sez who? Ayn Rand? I don’t buy it.
And I bet most here wouldn’t buy it either. Do you honestly believe all the many people who volunteer, donate, perform charity work are ‘expressing a compulsion to compel’?
Maybe I have somewhat more of an optimistic view of human nature than you do.
People who volunteer, donate, and perform charity work are doing so of their own free will. More power to them. That they can do so without being compelled to do so is proof that they are free. If they were compelled to volunteer, donate, and perform charity work, they would not be free.
What you would do yourself of your own free will is one thing. What you would compel others to do is another thing altogether.
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iceweasel Sat, Aug 8, 2009 1:08:08am |
re: #330 Syrah
Do you think that the contract that the Demko’s entered into freely with out force or compulsion should be changed in their favor now that a situation has arisen outside of the scope of that contract?
They didn’t enter into a contract freely and then want to change the rules.
If you read the article, you’ll see that both of them worked, and the mother’s insurance was the family insurance (because it was better than the options for the father). After the baby was born, they decided the mother should stay home full time with her, because she was special needs and it would be the best thing for the baby. Then they couldn’t find a private insurer to insure them.
Do you think those are reasonable choices for a family to be faced with?
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Jack Burton Sat, Aug 8, 2009 1:14:59am |
re: #328 iceweasel
I never said that the current system wasn’t fucked up. I just refuse to accept socializing health care as the solution. It’s really that simple. I don’t abandon my principles when they are inconvenient. I don’t think there’s anyplace for government being able to indirectly dictate your lifestyle choices by holding your health care hostage in a free society based on enlightenment liberal democracy. I do on the other hand feel that those born with certain conditions should be given help via whatever means when they need it, even if some of it comes from the government. A child born with Downs Syndrome isn’t the same as a full grown adult who eats a bacon cheeseburger for every meal and smokes 2 packs a day.
I know there are all kinds of horror stories about private insurance. I’m not going to argue that. I will say though, that the majority of medical problems in the United States are preventable. They are the result of bad choices. Heart disease and many cancers are preventable. Some people have a genetic propensity toward getting these conditions, but it still requires the environmental condition to make it happen. If you have genes that make it easy for you to come down with heart disease, but you are a vegan, vegetarian, or consume meat and oils sparingly, the chances of getting the disease are astronomical.
If you are on a hospital bed getting a quadruple bypass, you didn’t just end up there by accident.
I’m not the healthiest bloke on the block myself, but I’m fully aware that there are long term consequences to things I do, and I’m fully prepared to have to pay out of my own pocket, or though a catastrophic insurance policy if they should occur. If I need more help than that, that’s what my family is for. I will not ask taxpayers to subsidize my health.
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Syrah Sat, Aug 8, 2009 1:15:46am |
re: #332 iceweasel
They didn’t enter into a contract freely and then want to change the rules.
If you read the article, you’ll see that both of them worked, and the mother’s insurance was the family insurance (because it was better than the options for the father). After the baby was born, they decided the mother should stay home full time with her, because she was special needs and it would be the best thing for the baby. Then they couldn’t find a private insurer to insure them.
They made choices. Those choices had consequences.
Do you think those are reasonable choices for a family to be faced with?
Yes.
I am not saying that the outcome is pleasant in this case. The Demko’s are in a very unpleasant situation.
Are you more free or less free if the state can compel you to be financially liable for the choices that the Demko’s have made?
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iceweasel Sat, Aug 8, 2009 1:21:18am |
re: #333 ArchangelMichael
I never said that the current system wasn’t fucked up. I just refuse to accept socializing health care as the solution. It’s really that simple.
But no one is going to socialise health care.
None of the proposals being considered will ‘socialise’ health care. Single payer is off the table. At best, there will be a public option that will compete with private insurance plans. And that’s only if it makes its way into the final proposal. Which is still up in the air.
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iceweasel Sat, Aug 8, 2009 1:25:10am |
re: #334 Syrah
Yes.
I am not saying that the outcome is pleasant in this case. The Demko’s are in a very unpleasant situation.
Are you more free or less free if the state can compel you to be financially liable for the choices that the Demko’s have made?
But you’re already ‘financially liable’ for other people’s health care, to some extent. Medicare and Medicaid, for example. And you’re ‘financially liable’ for a whole host of other things as well, from the schools your neighbours kids attend, even if you don’t have kids yourself, to the roads people drive on, even if you don’t have a car.
Do you think it makes sense for the wealthiest country in the world to have so many Americans without health insurance, or underinsured?
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Jack Burton Sat, Aug 8, 2009 1:30:10am |
re: #335 iceweasel
But no one is going to socialise health care.
None of the proposals being considered will ‘socialise’ health care. Single payer is off the table. At best, there will be a public option that will compete with private insurance plans. And that’s only if it makes its way into the final proposal. Which is still up in the air.
A public option which competes with private insurance is socialized health care. Medicare is socialized health care. Taxpayers are collectively paying for it whether they use it or not. I’m opposed to the existence of both Medicare and Social Security. I don’t advocate making them “go away” overnight because that would hurt a lot of people but I’d be much happier with better working private systems, with government oversight, with minimal or no taxpayer funding.
In the UK, they have both private and public along side each other. The costs of private health care skyrocketed so only the extremely wealthy can get it. You practically have to have “Earl of Something” after your name in the UK to be able to afford a private “specialist”, or you are waiting in line at the NHS clinic for the doctors who couldn’t cut it in the private sector.
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Syrah Sat, Aug 8, 2009 1:31:29am |
re: #336 iceweasel
But you’re already ‘financially liable’ for other people’s health care, to some extent. Medicare and Medicaid, for example. And you’re ‘financially liable’ for a whole host of other things as well, from the schools your neighbours kids attend, even if you don’t have kids yourself, to the roads people drive on, even if you don’t have a car.
I don’t see how compounding a wrong makes it more right.
Does it make you more free to be compelled to be more financially liable for other peoples choices?
Do you think it makes sense for the wealthiest country in the world to have so many Americans without health insurance, or underinsured?
I think it makes sense for the wealthiest country in the world to let people make their own individual choices about the level of health insurance they can purchase of their own freewill from the limits of their own means. I do not believe that a nation that takes that choice away from the individual is making a wise choice.
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iceweasel Sat, Aug 8, 2009 1:37:54am |
re: #338 Syrah
I think it makes sense for the wealthiest country in the world to let people make their own individual choices about the level of health insurance they can purchase of their own freewill from the limits of their own means. I do not believe that a nation that takes that choice away from the individual is making a wise choice.
But since the option to purchase private insurance will be offered alongside a public option, (assuming we have a public option), this is about offering individuals more choice, not less.
AM, as to your point above in re: private insurance in the UK being prohibitive, that is one reason why under the US proposals all (new) private plans would have to participate in the Health Insurance Exchange and compete with the public option.
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Syrah Sat, Aug 8, 2009 1:45:08am |
re: #339 iceweasel
But since the option to purchase private insurance will be offered alongside a public option, (assuming we have a public option), this is about offering individuals more choice, not less.
An option that is not bound by actual costs. An option that can rely on tax dollars over premiums.
It is a rigged game.
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iceweasel Sat, Aug 8, 2009 2:00:05am |
re: #340 Syrah
An option that is not bound by actual costs. An option that can rely on tax dollars over premiums.
It is a rigged game.
What does this even mean? Are you pushing the idea that the public option, if even offered, will be designed to drastically undercut insurance companies and drive them out of business? Because that isn’t true. The whole reason single payer is off the table is because both the Dems and the Repubs are beholden to the insurance companies and the pharmaceutical industry.
BTW, just to clarify— I’m not saying “ObamaCare will be great!” We don’t even know what ObamaCare would look like in a final form yet, so I can’t have an informed judgement about it. Also I have infinite confidence in the capacity of gov’t to fuck things up.
But I can’t be automatically opposed to the very idea of reform because our current system certainly isn’t working.
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Syrah Sat, Aug 8, 2009 2:13:38am |
re: #341 iceweasel
What does this even mean? Are you pushing the idea that the public option, if even offered, will be designed to drastically undercut insurance companies and drive them out of business? Because that isn’t true.
It is true.
How can you expect insurance companies to compete against a government insurance option that is subsidized by the taxpayers?
The government option is a cheat from the first to the last word of the bill. It is not subject to any of the financial constraints that any of the insurance companies have to work with. It is designed to price solvent private insurance so high that only the very wealthy can afford it, leaving everyone else to suffer at the whims of capricious politicians who can see further into the future then the next election and aggressively disinterested bureaucracies to whom you are only a cipher on a spreadsheet and not an actual person.
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Syrah Sat, Aug 8, 2009 2:31:06am |
PIMF- Drat and blast! Way to sleepy.
Should be:
” … leaving everyone else to suffer at the whims of capricious politicians who can see no further into the future then the next election … “
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iceweasel Sat, Aug 8, 2009 2:41:55am |
re: #342 Syrah
It is true.
How can you expect insurance companies to compete against a government insurance option that is subsidized by the taxpayers?
Syrah, this is a lie being propagated by Republicans and by fake foundations like FreedomWorks that exist for little else but attacking the Dem agenda.
Senate Democrats Have Proposed That Public Health Care Should “Comply With All The Rules And Standards That Apply To Private Insurance” To Ensure That Private Insurance Can Compete. According to the New York Times: “In an effort to defuse the most explosive issue in the debate over comprehensive health care legislation, a top Senate Democrat has proposed that any new government-run insurance program comply with all the rules and standards that apply to private insurance. The proposal was made Monday by Senator Charles E. Schumer of New York, the third-ranking member of the Senate Democratic leadership, in a bid to address fears that a public program would drive private insurers from the market.” [New York Times, 5/5/09]
New York Times: Fears Of A Public Plan Putting Private Plans Out Of Business Are “Overblown.” According to the New York Times: “What many critics seem to fear most is that a new public plan would sweep away its private competitors and evolve over time into a full-fledged single-payer system (sometimes called Medicare for all). No matter how fair the competition between public and private plans might be at the start, they warn that the government would find it irresistible to rig the outcome through its regulatory and pricing powers and its ability, in a pinch, to subsidize the public plan with taxpayers’ money. That fear seems overblown. Innovative, nimble private plans with well-integrated service systems might outperform any government plan, just as some now outperform Medicare through better coordination of services, stronger preventive care and broader benefits. A new public plan is neither the cornerstone of health care reform nor the death knell of private insurance. It should be tried as one element of comprehensive reform.” [New York Times, 4/6/09; emphasis added]
Speaker Pelosi Is Looking For A Public Option To Make Private Insurers More Competitive. According to Bloomberg: “House Speaker Nancy Pelosi said the House this year will consider health-care legislation including an option for a government-run program that would compete with insurers. ‘This is a big agenda, and I believe it should have a public option in it for it to be really substantial,’ Pelosi told reporters at her weekly news conference in the U.S. Capitol. Pelosi said the Democratic-controlled House will be ‘aggressive’ in its approach to a health-care overhaul, which is a centerpiece of Obama’s agenda. She said a government role in health care will help U.S. companies be more competitive.” [Bloomberg, 3/26/09]
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hous bin pharteen Sat, Aug 8, 2009 7:16:59am |
I bet the new Obama health care will not apply to congressmen. They are going to have a private hospital with good health care. Not some poor public hospital. But at least there is a new job I can get with the new Obamacare!!
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iceweasel Sat, Aug 8, 2009 7:39:31am |
re: #345 hous bin pharteen
I bet the new Obama health care will not apply to congressmen. They are going to have a private hospital with good health care. Not some poor public hospital. But at least there is a new job I can get with the new Obamacare!!
Another lie being spread by republicans and fake foundations funded by insurance companies:
Senate HELP Committee Passed Amendment To “Require Members Of Congress To Enroll In The Government-Run Public Plan.” According to Congressional Quarterly, “the panel adopted by 12-11 an amendment by Tom Coburn, R-Okla., that would require members of Congress to enroll in the government-run public plan created by the legislation. ‘We should take the lead, sacrifice and demonstrate our faith on how good we think this will be, Coburn said.” [Congressional Quarterly, 7/14/09, subscription required]
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hous bin pharteen Sat, Aug 8, 2009 7:56:29am |
Righttt…You obviously did not read my other post. Your choice. Live or die. I have saved lives WITHOUT government funding of volunteer fire companies. Why not scrap that and require government funded fire companies. We need more taxes! And union fire companies, so we can go on strike without more pay. But government funded ones only are funded in democratic ruled cities. Not republican run towns.
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hous bin pharteen Sat, Aug 8, 2009 8:12:38am |
We also don’t get paid. We do it for free. “Rescue Me” on the cheap. It is funded by a yearly block party, donations, and a private, members only, bar. You can join by yearly membership and beer tabs. And bartenders (firemen) who do it for free. And to fellow lizards, Guinness, Coors light, and Yuengling on tap! I make a mean margarita, as well as Baileys with chopped ice! Sorry, we don’t have Harp on tap. Only bottles. But we have Jameson’s. And Smirnoff!
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hous bin pharteen Sat, Aug 8, 2009 8:19:21am |
And congress wont have there own jets. Republicans are lying! [Link: online.wsj.com…]
And hello Obama. The flat-lining economy was caused more from that intelligent democratic pushed Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac new lending plans.
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Syrah Sat, Aug 8, 2009 9:31:28am |
re: #344 iceweasel
It is not a lie.
It is basic high-school level economics.
A private business fails, goes bankrupt, if it cannot makes its books balance. A government enterprise has the taxpayer to fallback on. Government enterprises do not have to operate as if the bottom line matters at all because in reality, for them, it does not.
Having the private sector attempt to compete with a government enterprises that does not have to play by the same economic rules, in-fact has no need to respect economic factors as simple as making the books balance at the end of the day, is a cheat.
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esch Sat, Aug 8, 2009 10:28:53am |
re: #336 iceweasel
Do you think it makes sense for the wealthiest country in the world to have so many Americans without health insurance, or underinsured?
The overwhelming majority of those you refer to CHOOSE to go without insurance or could be gathered in under the umbrella of Medi*. The current bills aren’t really about that. This is about a complete takeover of medicine to compel behavioral changes society-wide.
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