Because I criticized the mob behavior at several health care town hall meetings, the denizens of Free Republic have decided: Charles Johnson of LGF supports violence against American citizens.
Free Republic, of course, is where hundreds (possibly thousands) of commenters applauded the murder of Dr. George Tiller by an anti-abortion fanatic.
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Gang of One Sat, Aug 8, 2009 11:08:42am |
Anyone with a even a spark of intellectual honesty will see this to be an insanely bogus accusation.
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jcm Sat, Aug 8, 2009 11:10:33am |
I have proof Charles supports sax an violins!
oh! Nevermind
/Emily Latella
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solomonpanting Sat, Aug 8, 2009 11:11:01am |
To: pmedia
I went to LGF, and now that I'm out of the shower, I think you have grossly misrepresented CJ's post. He is just being his usual RINO idiot self in decrying what he calls mob behavior at the townhalls, but he in no way supported violence. Unless you can provide substatiation for your claims by a link and an excerpt, this post will be pulled.
Oh, and the racism claim was really lame as well.
16 posted on Saturday, August 08, 2009 10:20:26 AM by Admin Moderator
With "friends" like this...
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unrealizedviewpoint Sat, Aug 8, 2009 11:11:16am |
One needs suffer from some major personality disorder to carry so much hate as that piece displays.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Sat, Aug 8, 2009 11:12:45am |
re: #20 Shiplord Kirel
Since I've spent a big part of the last 40 years condemning the methods of the left, I am not about to endorse them for anyone else.
Just in case you missed it last thread...
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Shiplord Kirel Sat, Aug 8, 2009 11:13:37am |
Remember 2004, when Freeper "Buckhead" called out the Bush TANG documents just minutes after they were posted at the SeeBS website?
Lo, how the mighty are fallen!
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Desert Dog Sat, Aug 8, 2009 11:13:45am |
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KingKenrod Sat, Aug 8, 2009 11:14:29am |
Charles, they are pointing to your comment in a previous thread:
If the talking point is going to be that the demonstrators were just exercising their right to free speech and they were unjustly attacked by union thugs, I'm sorry, but I'm not gonna jump on that train.
There may have been union thugs there, but what I see in these videos of the event is a whole lot of people acting like idiots, shouting down speakers, ranting like loons, and behaving a lot like ... yes, a mob. A lot of those people clearly went there with the intention of disrupting the event.
So when you disagree with with "unjustly attacked" and then point out the mobs bad behavior, it makes you sound like they were justly attacked.
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Pianobuff Sat, Aug 8, 2009 11:18:03am |
“The worthiest people are the most injured by slander, as is the best fruit which the birds have been pecking at”
- Jonathan Swift
Sorry this happened, Charles.
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Charles Johnson Sat, Aug 8, 2009 11:18:56am |
re: #15 KingKenrod
Charles, they are pointing to your comment in a previous thread:
So when you disagree with with "unjustly attacked" and then point out the mobs bad behavior, it makes you sound like they were justly attacked.
That's a shameless, stupid distortion of what I wrote. I did NOT approve of anyone being attacked. What bullshit.
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MandyManners Sat, Aug 8, 2009 11:19:57am |
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Shiplord Kirel Sat, Aug 8, 2009 11:20:53am |
re: #12 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
re: #20 Shiplord Kirel
Just in case you missed it last thread...
Many thanks, FBV. Sometimes I really feel old (turned 60 in June).
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MandyManners Sat, Aug 8, 2009 11:21:59am |
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DEZes Sat, Aug 8, 2009 11:22:20am |
If mind bending contortions were an Olympic event, freepers would bring home the gold.
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Joshua Cohen Sat, Aug 8, 2009 11:22:45am |
At the moment it looks like many people losing it.
Fatah: Return all of Jerusalem before talks go on.
(jp)"According to the report, a document adopted by the Fatah delegates of the assembly declared that Palestinians would "continue to be sacrificed until residents of Jerusalem are free of settlements and settlers." The document went on to state that all of Jerusalem, including the surrounding villages, belonged to the Palestinians, and lands conquered following the Six Day War shared the same status as those located within the Green Line."
Thx for embolding these idiots Mr. President.
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researchok Sat, Aug 8, 2009 11:23:26am |
And the Freepers wonder why they considered marginal and irrelevant by most people.
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jaunte Sat, Aug 8, 2009 11:23:27am |
re: #9 solomonpanting
With "friends" like this...
Strange that decrying mob behavior is seen as a sign of RINOness.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Sat, Aug 8, 2009 11:23:28am |
re: #21 Shiplord Kirel
No, thank you. A perfect sentiment for these times.
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Shiplord Kirel Sat, Aug 8, 2009 11:23:36am |
Freeper mods pulled another Mob-related post earlier today, one that reported the death threat to SEIU headquarters. Seems the post met with too much bloodthirsty approval from the multitudes.
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DEZes Sat, Aug 8, 2009 11:24:00am |
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Sat, Aug 8, 2009 11:24:58am |
Charles! What do you have against mobs?
Oh, wait, you explained that already. Never mind.
(And my name's already Emily, even.)
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VegasRick Sat, Aug 8, 2009 11:25:29am |
re: #24 DEZes
If mind bending contortions were an Olympic event, freepers would bring home the gold.
Gold, Silver and Bronze.
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Shiplord Kirel Sat, Aug 8, 2009 11:26:14am |
On the subject of Charles being a RINO (Republican in name only), iirc Charles has never declared a party affiliation of any kind and is therefore not a Republican even in name. Please correct me if I am wrong.
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DEZes Sat, Aug 8, 2009 11:26:24am |
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Oh no...Sand People! Sat, Aug 8, 2009 11:26:29am |
That's unbelievable. In the entire blogosphere this site operator, Charles Johnson, is quite possibly the most level headed human on the internet. For loose cannons like myself this site helps keep me in check.
Stark raving nonsense from some intellectually dishonest people.
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trryhin Sat, Aug 8, 2009 11:28:17am |
re: #22 MandyManners
The mod is gonna' yank that post?
Nope. Someone quoted Charles post over there (see #15 on this thread) and the admin agreed he supported violence. Wow.
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VegasRick Sat, Aug 8, 2009 11:29:00am |
I gotta run folks. BBL. Don't let the mob get ya!
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Charles Johnson Sat, Aug 8, 2009 11:29:46am |
re: #35 Shiplord Kirel
On the subject of Charles being a RINO (Republican in name only), iirc Charles has never declared a party affiliation of any kind and is therefore not a Republican even in name. Please correct me if I am wrong.
You're not wrong. I've never made any secret of the fact that I consider myself independent and not by any means a "partisan."
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Sat, Aug 8, 2009 11:30:39am |
re: #42 Charles
Charles? Why do you hate partisans?
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DEZes Sat, Aug 8, 2009 11:31:55am |
They know we are discussing them, how very clever they must feel.
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dwells38 Sat, Aug 8, 2009 11:32:47am |
The only good thing about that pos little post by the idiot at FR is that it's so completely stupid and juvenile that no one in their right mind would take it seriously.
Note the complete lack of any attempt at links to back up the preposterous accusations of racism, bigotry and sadism.
That post is purely vindictive evil because you won't toe the conservative line when they want go all wild-eyed creationist and anti-abortion.
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jcm Sat, Aug 8, 2009 11:33:28am |
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DEZes Sat, Aug 8, 2009 11:34:21am |
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voirdire Sat, Aug 8, 2009 11:34:22am |
The idea had been growing in my brain for some time: TRUE force. All the king's men cannot put it back together again.
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dwells38 Sat, Aug 8, 2009 11:37:36am |
re: #46 jcm
LOL! Gotta be careful here. That time I almost had miso soup coming out my nose.
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Joshua Cohen Sat, Aug 8, 2009 11:37:47am |
Its craziness all over the world!
EVERY Israeli is a LEGITIMATE MILITARY TARGET, declared a senior delegate of Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas' Fatah organization in a
WND interview. WORLDNETDAILY.COM: "I don't believe there are civilians in Israel. All of Israeli society is a military society and therefore a military target," Rashideh al-Mughrabi said in an in-person interview. She is the sister of Dalal al-Mughrabi, one of the most infamous anti-Israel terrorists in history. Dalal led an attack in March 1978 that killed 36 Israelis, Wounding 70. Songs and poems in her honor are routinely broadcast on Fatah television and radio.
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Walter L. Newton Sat, Aug 8, 2009 11:42:01am |
Charles doesn't support mob anything. That should be evident from two threads ago.
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Mr. E. Train Sat, Aug 8, 2009 11:43:49am |
People are confused, afraid and even outraged over this whole Obama-care C-F. They should attend these town meetings and let their congress'critter know how they feel.
But acting like professional wrestlers only hurts the cause.
Be angry but dont be a jerk. It only takes a thimble full of piss to ruin the punchbowl.
This once again shows why sites should have at least a nominal leader and moderator. Sites like the Freeps will always tend to follow their ideology beyond reason.
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Charles Johnson Sat, Aug 8, 2009 11:44:54am |
re: #53 dddave
Bye now! Have fun storming the castle.
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horse Sat, Aug 8, 2009 11:48:04am |
...and another sleeper sock puppet bites the dust.
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solomonpanting Sat, Aug 8, 2009 11:51:11am |
re: #22 MandyManners
The mod is gonna' yank that post?
Perhaps after it simmers and stews for, oh, what time does hell freeze over?
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Mr. E. Train Sat, Aug 8, 2009 11:55:15am |
to be totally OT and personal...
Reina, this is the 4th time in 8 weeks you havent shown for work! I know you've had reasonable excuses for all of them, but I dont care if you are in the downtown lockup for a traffic warrent. I swear Im gonna fire you for making me come into work today!
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jcm Sat, Aug 8, 2009 11:55:40am |
re: #58 solomonpanting
Perhaps after it simmers and stews for, oh, what time does hell freeze over?
/;-)
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pat Sat, Aug 8, 2009 11:56:59am |
That is just plain fallacious. LGF posted the film of the black merchant being attacked by the union thugs.
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Charles Johnson Sat, Aug 8, 2009 11:57:24am |
Oh, for Pete's sake. I just clicked through to Free Republic again, and now they're posting screenshots of my comment, because they're just sure I'm going to delete it to try to hide the evidence. Morons.
Here's the comment. I stand by every word in it.
[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]
If the talking point is going to be that the demonstrators were just exercising their right to free speech and they were unjustly attacked by union thugs, I'm sorry, but I'm not gonna jump on that train.
There may have been union thugs there, but what I see in these videos of the event is a whole lot of people acting like idiots, shouting down speakers, ranting like loons, and behaving a lot like ... yes, a mob. A lot of those people clearly went there with the intention of disrupting the event.
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Danny Sat, Aug 8, 2009 11:59:50am |
re: #63 Charles
Heh, saw that. Pmedia also tells Admin Moderator that "Johnson posted much worse than that and purged it."
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Charles Johnson Sat, Aug 8, 2009 12:00:52pm |
re: #65 Danny
Heh, saw that. Pmedia also tells Admin Moderator that "Johnson posted much worse than that and purged it."
Pmedia is probably "Rodan." Same illiterate style of writing.
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debutaunt Sat, Aug 8, 2009 12:01:21pm |
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pat Sat, Aug 8, 2009 12:01:58pm |
re: #63 Charles
That may be true, but the fellow who was attacked was not acting like a mob. He was a merchant of anti-Obamacare merchandise who decided to give it away free. He was talking to a woman when he was belligerently confronted and then hit by a union thug. When first attacked he had not even left his table. He was subsequently attacked by a total of five people, all with union shirts.
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Taqyia2Me Sat, Aug 8, 2009 12:02:08pm |
All these arguments about arguments sure do dilute the expensive (in more ways than financial) fact that, like cap n trade, the healthcare proposal is a massive big gov't power grab.
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Pvt Bin Jammin Sat, Aug 8, 2009 12:03:50pm |
re: #65 Danny
Heh, saw that. Pmedia also tells Admin Moderator that "Johnson posted much worse than that and purged it."
I saw that too. I have never seen Charles delete his own posts. Crazy. The only time I have ever seen a thread deleted was, for instance, one of my posts that Charles picked up on. We found out later the info I had found was not correct.
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esch Sat, Aug 8, 2009 12:05:03pm |
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Mr. E. Train Sat, Aug 8, 2009 12:05:33pm |
If this keeps up Ill only be able to follow Lileks, Boing Boing and this site. sigh...
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Ojoe Sat, Aug 8, 2009 12:07:52pm |
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Danny Sat, Aug 8, 2009 12:08:14pm |
re: #71 pat
Mine's mocking me because I don't own a bush hog. BBL
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Pvt Bin Jammin Sat, Aug 8, 2009 12:10:30pm |
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Pete-billy Sat, Aug 8, 2009 12:15:45pm |
''Because I criticized the mob behavior...''
This statement sounds to me like a playback from last interview Pelosi's !
-->
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esch Sat, Aug 8, 2009 12:16:22pm |
From the little time I've been on this site, I've seen Charles consistently be a voice for reason and moderation no matter who the players are in the latest scandal. It's why I'm still around.
To try to paint his calling for calm, reasoned debate on this important issue as support for thuggery is...despicable lunacy imho.
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Crimsonfisted Sat, Aug 8, 2009 12:17:45pm |
re: #78 esch
Yours are the words I was looking for!
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Shiplord Kirel Sat, Aug 8, 2009 12:19:31pm |
No doubt the usual suspects in the lefty blogosphere will want to gloat about "civil war on the right" or some such nonsense.
This does have to do with civil war, the real one we are trying to head off in the streets and not a rhetorical flamewar among internet posters. As some of us said yesterday, it is only a matter of time before these townhall conflicts result in lethal force.
When the left threatens violence, they are talking about hitting you with a bong or having their thugs allies beat up some defenseless protestor. Occasionally, some nematode will blow himself up in mom's basement with his home-made bomb. When they are really high on their revolutionary rhetoric, they indulge in fantasies about burglarizing National Guard armories to steal weapons they don't a clue how to use.
When the right threatens violence, it is simply a matter of reaching for the hardware, and you had better damn well be paying attention. I am, and will continue to be.
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pete(detroit) Sat, Aug 8, 2009 12:21:03pm |
re: #7 jcm
I have proof Charles supports sax an violins!
oh! Nevermind
/Emily Latella
thought that was 'Saxon Violets', from your favorite Sumo Florist..
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fire at night Sat, Aug 8, 2009 12:21:35pm |
re: #4 Gang of One
It's Freep. There is little objectivity or thought in many of the posts. It's just a right wing version of DU (democraticunderground) these days.
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esch Sat, Aug 8, 2009 12:22:21pm |
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calcajun Sat, Aug 8, 2009 12:28:09pm |
Count de Monet ; Sire -- they peasants are revolting!
King Louis XVI; You bet -they stink on ice.
--History of the World, Part I
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Gang of One Sat, Aug 8, 2009 12:29:30pm |
re: #82 fire at night
It's Freep. There is little objectivity or thought in many of the posts. It's just a right wing version of DU (democraticunderground) these days.
Yah. I got that impression when I once waded through that swamp.
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Summersong Sat, Aug 8, 2009 12:30:14pm |
Pmedia cares so little about Charles and LGF that it can't stop posting about it...
Pmedia never reads LGF and that's how it found the post it's ranting about...
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opnion Sat, Aug 8, 2009 12:32:15pm |
re: #68 pat
That may be true, but the fellow who was attacked was not acting like a mob. He was a merchant of anti-Obamacare merchandise who decided to give it away free. He was talking to a woman when he was belligerently confronted and then hit by a union thug. When first attacked he had not even left his table. He was subsequently attacked by a total of five people, all with union shirts.
The presence of SEIU members makes any situation worse. Lots of Union guys loathe them.
When SEIU was dispatched to the Town Halls, Obama & the rest at the White House knew what to expect.
I don't like shouting down a speaker, but assualt & battery trump that every time.
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pete(detroit) Sat, Aug 8, 2009 12:32:56pm |
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BARACK THE VOTE Sat, Aug 8, 2009 12:33:19pm |
re: #80 Shiplord Kirel
No doubt the usual suspects in the lefty blogosphere will want to gloat about "civil war on the right" or some such nonsense.
Bullshit. I'm a proud netizen of the leftysphere, and I can assure you that no one thinks of the Freepers as representative of the rightysphere-- and still less as representative of LGF, which is its very own thing. (Btw, LGF gets respect on the left).
Trust me. We're all busy mocking the Freepers over their last nirther embarassment, and continuing to mock and google bomb the shrieking harpy every day.
The threads are lovely dark and deep
But we have polls to freep
and miles to go before we sleep.
| 90 |
Gella Sat, Aug 8, 2009 12:33:55pm |
i am not sure if anybody posted this or not, but this is wrong
Congress Gets an Upgrade
$550 Million Slated for Purchase of Eight More Planes as Lawmakers' Travel Soars
[Link: online.wsj.com...]
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BlackFedora Sat, Aug 8, 2009 12:34:33pm |
Yeah... since Charles supporting violence against American citizens isn't a bizarre logical leap at all.
/sarcasm
Hey... speaking of insane. Get a load of Alex Jones...
I'm scared now.
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gymnast Sat, Aug 8, 2009 12:39:14pm |
Perhaps if the news media were doing a better job of objectively and honestly reporting the news and the plans and pronouncements of the Administration there would be less occasion for "mobs" to expression their frustration and perhaps the Administration would be more reluctant to trample on the people and the constitution. The fourth estate has moved beyond being a fifth column and has become an obvious threat to the Republic.
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Mich-again Sat, Aug 8, 2009 12:39:33pm |
re: #90 Gella
$550 Million Slated for Purchase of Eight More Planes as Lawmakers' Travel Soars
Private jets for the people who villified corporate CEO's for having private jets.
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esch Sat, Aug 8, 2009 12:41:00pm |
re: #93 Mich-again
Private jets for the people who villified corporate CEO's for having private jets.
Those were 'little people'. Different.
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Mich-again Sat, Aug 8, 2009 12:41:39pm |
re: #92 gymnast
Perhaps if the news media were doing a better job of objectively and honestly reporting the news and the plans and pronouncements of the Administration there would be less occasion for "mobs" to expression their frustration and perhaps the Administration would be more reluctant to trample on the people and the constitution.
I wouldn't go so far to blame the media for people acting like thugs.
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pete(detroit) Sat, Aug 8, 2009 12:47:54pm |
The problem, as I see it, with so-called "rational debate" is that it requires two rational parties.
What we are seeing is a manifestation of the arrogant 'we're going to shove this down your throat, whether you like it or not' coming up against 'no way in bloody effing hell' response.
Many people see the bill, as written, as evil, plain and simple (the abortion funding sure helps).
The is no compromises w/ Evil. They want it stopped, and stopped now.
Not interested in hearing the Party Line on how it's going to be all happy joy-joy for all of us, only interested in communicating that they want it stopped, and stopped now.
I agree that the so-called 'town hall meetings' are not the best venue to stage a protest, but with most congress critters hiding this 'home' season, it's tough to find them.
Perhaps protest rallies outside their (empty) offices would garner some attention, I don't know.
I was at the Dingel meeting in Romulus, I was not fortunate to get nearly close enough to get in for either the first or 2nd session. There WERE supporters also waiting in the crowd, 'normal' looking folks like the rest of us. One of them got into a shouting match w/ another guy in line - he was all for socialism, convinced it was the best thing since canned beer, and would hear no different. The other participant was of the "I want two things from my gov't - protect the borders, and leave me alone" persuasion.
How in the name of anything decent are these two going to have a "rational debate"?
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Mich-again Sat, Aug 8, 2009 12:48:02pm |
re: #89 iceweasel
(Btw, LGF gets respect on the left)
Yeah sure lots of it. Hidden somewhere deep beneath the common lefty descriptions of LGF as a racist, islamophobic, wingnut, fascist site.
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gymnast Sat, Aug 8, 2009 12:49:15pm |
re: #95 Mich-again
You fail to recognize that the media is in many cases complicit with the Administration in acting like thugs. The SEIU employees outside Representative Carnahans meeting did not drop from heavan thought one would have thought so based on the reporting of the St Louis Post Dispatch. The police arrested an SEIU employee acting as a "Brownshirt" outside that meeting, not a protesting citizen.
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debutaunt Sat, Aug 8, 2009 12:49:25pm |
re: #90 Gella
i am not sure if anybody posted this or not, but this is wrong
Congress Gets an Upgrade
$550 Million Slated for Purchase of Eight More Planes as Lawmakers' Travel Soars
[Link: online.wsj.com...]
Oh geez. Now they'll be demanding some kind of uber health insurance.
| 100 |
Perplexed Sat, Aug 8, 2009 12:50:32pm |
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Gella Sat, Aug 8, 2009 12:51:54pm |
re: #99 debutaunt
Oh geez. Now they'll be demanding some kind of uber health insurance.
wait, i thought it was free for them??
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Taqyia2Me Sat, Aug 8, 2009 12:54:45pm |
re: #92 gymnast
I was raised and taught the news media was supposed to objective.
My cancelled newspaper subscriptions and failure to watch a nightly network newscast in over 8 years are my reactions to the obvious line of crap I was taught
| 103 |
jcm Sat, Aug 8, 2009 12:55:34pm |
re: #101 Gella
wait, i thought it was free for them??
They work so hard for us they deserve a few perks.
Like the unemployment line in '10.
| 104 |
Killgore Trout Sat, Aug 8, 2009 12:55:52pm |
OT: I finally got around to watching Grindhouse and Death Proof. I can't believe how underrated those movies are. I put off watching them because I wasn't that thrilled with the Kill Bill movies and figured Terantino's best days were behind him.
Grind House and Death Proof are both brilliant movies although you have to give GrindHouse some time before it really gets going. Well worth watching. Classics.
| 105 |
jcm Sat, Aug 8, 2009 12:56:50pm |
re: #102 Taqyia2Me
I was raised and taught the news media was supposed to objective.
My cancelled newspaper subscriptions and failure to watch a nightly network newscast in over 8 years are my reactions to the obvious line of crap I was taught
Media objectivity died Feb. 27, 1968.
It died after a long illness.
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The Curmudgeon Sat, Aug 8, 2009 12:57:35pm |
FR used to be a good Republican chat forum, up until about 4 or 5 years ago. It arrived on the internet early, and for a while it was pretty much the only game in town. It was also a place where a great variety of views were freely discussed. Then, gradually, issue by issue, the owner of the site began to impose his own opinions on the place, and those who thought otherwise were either banned or left to follow their banned friends to other sites. Purge by purge, FR declined to what it is today -- a reflection of little more than the site owner's mindset.
| 107 |
Shiplord Kirel Sat, Aug 8, 2009 12:57:42pm |
re: #89 iceweasel
Bullshit. I'm a proud netizen of the leftysphere, and I can assure you that no one thinks of the Freepers as representative of the rightysphere-- and still less as representative of LGF, which is its very own thing. (Btw, LGF gets respect on the left).
Trust me. We're all busy mocking the Freepers over their last nirther embarassment, and continuing to mock and google bomb the shrieking harpy every day.
The threads are lovely dark and deep
But we have polls to freep
and miles to go before we sleep.
Awfully broad denial, ice, and please note that I only referred to the usual suspects and not the whole lefty blogosphere. Please start with this LGF string from May, then check out blog comments here and here, among a host of others.
| 108 |
WinterCat Sat, Aug 8, 2009 12:58:24pm |
Oh for Pete's Sake. Charles is not advocating violence against the protesters. I don't go to Free Republic. I assume that is what a Freeper is. Correct? Remind me to continue not to go to that blog.
Anyway, somewhat OT:
Fascinating photojournalist series. Who is astroturfing?
Originally in the links by someone whose name I can't recall but it's a pretty good photo essay. Appears to be honest in its depiction of events.
| 109 |
_RememberTonyC Sat, Aug 8, 2009 12:58:27pm |
Because the MSM has a certain prejudice against conservatives, it reminds me somewhat of being from a certain religious group that many people are always accusing of terrible things. For members of that religious group, they have to live up to a higher set of standards in order to try and "prove" their worthiness to society. And right now, conservatives are in that boat. Since they will be accused of many transgressions both real and imagined, they need to force themselves to live up to a higher standard in order to be seen as worthy of respect. Charles is trying to set that example on this board. Is it fair for this to be the case? Hell no. But "it is what it is," and we have to deal with it.
| 111 |
Egregious Philbin Sat, Aug 8, 2009 1:05:47pm |
By and large, Freepers think the earth is 6000 years old, that Malcom X is Obama's father, and that he is the antichrist, that we didn't go to the moon, that kids in school should be forced into saying Christian prayers, a family turning off life support to someone that had strict instructions for no rescusitation are murderers, and that hurricanes, earthquakes and the like are God punishing people.
There are a lot of very stupid people over there, but Jim Robinson is the lead idiot. But, I give him this, he can convince the morons that he needs $240,000 a year to run a slow, outdated website.
One born every minute.
| 112 |
Ayeless in Ghazi Sat, Aug 8, 2009 1:06:19pm |
From the comments:
CJ went totally nuts with Obama
Projection on a massive scale.
| 113 |
debutaunt Sat, Aug 8, 2009 1:06:35pm |
re: #101 Gella
wait, i thought it was free for them??
Free and way better than anything we'll ever see.
| 115 |
unrealizedviewpoint Sat, Aug 8, 2009 1:09:30pm |
re: #114 C.Jones
He did not see it yet... must have his guard down... Lol
| 116 |
unrealizedviewpoint Sat, Aug 8, 2009 1:10:21pm |
| 118 |
Killgore Trout Sat, Aug 8, 2009 1:10:39pm |
...and here we go...
Citing safety concerns, U. City cancels McCaskills event
The school district sent a news release this afternoon stating that the “reasons for the cancellation by the school district are due to concerns for the safety and security of its staff, community members attending the event, and for the students who would be on campus during that time.”
There is no word on whether McCaskill will find a new venue or keep a second town hall forum scheduled for later the same day in Jefferson County.
Either way, its hard not to notch the decision as a signal of the growing influence of the Tea Party coalition, who had succeeded at heckling Carnahan at two earlier meetings.
Although what the move portends for democracy — that citizens can’t gather for a public forum without fears of descending into fisticuffs? — may be up for debate.
| 119 |
Shiplord Kirel Sat, Aug 8, 2009 1:12:15pm |
re: #110 C.Jones
I'm offended that I wasn't portrayed in this.
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esch Sat, Aug 8, 2009 1:14:23pm |
re: #111 Egregious Philbin
And on the left side of the aisle, there are people who believe things just as wacky and some of them believe in purging society of their ideological enemies.Lots of people of Ayers/Dohrn's generation sympathized with them.
OTOH, Obama's admin is throwing fuel on the fire of 'keep the government scared' righties. They're encouraging this, not engaging in responsible representative government.
We know where this is going. How do we as (relatively speaking) reasonable right or left leaning moderates defuse this 'time to get it on' attitude growing ON BOTH SIDES?
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Ayeless in Ghazi Sat, Aug 8, 2009 1:14:51pm |
re: #97 Mich-again
Yeah sure lots of it. Hidden somewhere deep beneath the common lefty descriptions of LGF as a racist, islamophobic, wingnut, fascist site.
I'll give you one sterling (pun intended) example : Harry's Place. Centre-left, but left all the same, and very sympathetic to LGF these days. I've also seen comments in a few other places considered to be left wing that indicate attitudes are changing. The centre is being squeezed at the moment; historically, this has always been a bad thing. I think it's important that the moderates who share so much anti-idiotarian common ground stick together, whether left or right leaning.
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Ayeless in Ghazi Sat, Aug 8, 2009 1:16:32pm |
re: #66 Charles
Pmedia is probably "Rodan." Same illiterate style of writing.
That's what I thought too.
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Ayeless in Ghazi Sat, Aug 8, 2009 1:19:25pm |
re: #104 Killgore Trout
OT: I finally got around to watching Grindhouse and Death Proof. I can't believe how underrated those movies are. I put off watching them because I wasn't that thrilled with the Kill Bill movies and figured Terantino's best days were behind him.
Grind House and Death Proof are both brilliant movies although you have to give GrindHouse some time before it really gets going. Well worth watching. Classics.
Absolutely. I though maybe Tarantino was beginning to lose his way then - bam! Deathproof. What a movie!
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Shiplord Kirel Sat, Aug 8, 2009 1:20:44pm |
Re: #125 et al.
You see, C, that's what you get for leaving me out of the video. I mean Sharmuta and Kilgore were there. Sheesh!
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Killgore Trout Sat, Aug 8, 2009 1:20:54pm |
Right wing blogs are crowing over this one...
POLS SPEAK ON SLY TO AVOID HECKLERS
...several area lawmakers are taking steps to minimize the chance that health-care critics will be able to protest.
* Rep. Steve Israel (D-LI) held a health-care "roundtable" Thursday night, but made the event "invitation only."
An Israel staffer who had been asked in advance about any planned town-hall meetings didn't respond to a Post inquiry until after the event was over.
* Rep. Scott Murphy of the Albany area didn't send out a release about a Tuesday health meeting until the next day, after the event was over.
The release described the event as a "small business roundtable" with business leaders.
The event wasn't included in the public schedule Murphy's office put out in advance.
...
...in North Carolina, Congressman Brad Miller received a death threat for his support of health-care reform.
Wingnuts seem very proud of their work.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Sat, Aug 8, 2009 1:21:05pm |
re: #104 Killgore Trout
Fantastic. Kurt Russell was great!
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Killgore Trout Sat, Aug 8, 2009 1:21:59pm |
re: #126 Jimmah
I still can't believe that it wasn't more popular. Much better that Kill Bill..
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Pvt Bin Jammin Sat, Aug 8, 2009 1:22:15pm |
That thoughts on god thing still shows in spy.
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Ayeless in Ghazi Sat, Aug 8, 2009 1:24:21pm |
re: #128 Killgore Trout
Right wing blogs are crowing over this one...
POLS SPEAK ON SLY TO AVOID HECKLERS
Wingnuts seem very proud of their work.
"Wingnuts:1 Rational discourse: 0 Yaay!"
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Killgore Trout Sat, Aug 8, 2009 1:25:30pm |
re: #132 Jimmah
If they can't act like adults they won't be invited to sit at the big table.
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Charles Johnson Sat, Aug 8, 2009 1:26:34pm |
OK, that's three out of the woodwork today so far.
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Ayeless in Ghazi Sat, Aug 8, 2009 1:27:14pm |
re: #133 Killgore Trout
If they can't act like adults they won't be invited to sit at the big table.
Absolutely.
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esch Sat, Aug 8, 2009 1:29:10pm |
re: #128 Killgore Trout
Right wing blogs are crowing over this one...
POLS SPEAK ON SLY TO AVOID HECKLERS
Wingnuts seem very proud of their work.
Representatives are answerable to their constituents. Avoiding this is indefensible. Wingnuts preventing any discussion at all at an organized event is also indefensible. Death threats are beyond indefensible. Catch them and put them in jail.
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Killgore Trout Sat, Aug 8, 2009 1:30:43pm |
Hot Air commenters...
Gutless: Dems holding "stealth" town-halls
They really think they've achieved some sort of victory.
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Ben G. Hazi Sat, Aug 8, 2009 1:31:54pm |
re: #63 Charles
Oh, for Pete's sake. I just clicked through to Free Republic again, and now they're posting screenshots of my comment, because they're just sure I'm going to delete it to try to hide the evidence. Morons.
Here's the comment. I stand by every word in it.
[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]
What'd you expect from a bunch of drooling moronic imbeciles who wouldn't know a reasoned, cogent argument if it bit them on the ass, took a picture, and showed it to them?
/and y'all can quote me, Freepers...
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Ayeless in Ghazi Sat, Aug 8, 2009 1:32:07pm |
Hey 'unrealizedviewpoint', since you're on, I noticed that you downdinged every single post I made on the music thread last night? The posts were all either about music, ot just me saying goodnight, that sort of thing. Care to explain?
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SixDegrees Sat, Aug 8, 2009 1:33:23pm |
re: #128 Killgore Trout
Right wing blogs are crowing over this one...
POLS SPEAK ON SLY TO AVOID HECKLERS
If someone were attempting to inflame the situation even more than it already is, I can't think of a better way to toss gasoline and a match onto it than this.
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Killgore Trout Sat, Aug 8, 2009 1:33:41pm |
re: #136 esch
Sorry but the death threats are too much to deal with. It's a public safety issue and these small town can't afford all the police, metal detectors, bomb sniffing dogs etc. to deal with a potentially violent crowd or assassination attempts. Even the RoP couldn't shut down open political discussion in this country after 9-11. Wingnuts should be proud of themselves.
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Ayeless in Ghazi Sat, Aug 8, 2009 1:34:39pm |
re: #137 Killgore Trout
Hot Air commenters...
Gutless: Dems holding "stealth" town-hallsThey really think they've achieved some sort of victory.
Those who destroy any chance of discussion with mere numbers and screaming are the ones who are gutless IMO. Who ever heard of a brave mob?
| 144 |
Ben G. Hazi Sat, Aug 8, 2009 1:38:19pm |
re: #86 Summersong
Pmedia cares so little about Charles and LGF that it can't stop posting about it...
Pmedia never reads LGF and that's how it found the post it's ranting about...
Like Charles said, it's most likely the stalker Rodan from the Deuce, judging by the writing style...
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Ben G. Hazi Sat, Aug 8, 2009 1:39:02pm |
re: #126 Jimmah
Absolutely. I though maybe Tarantino was beginning to lose his way then - bam! Deathproof. What a movie!
Love Deathproof...
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SixDegrees Sat, Aug 8, 2009 1:39:16pm |
re: #136 esch
Representatives are answerable to their constituents. Avoiding this is indefensible. Wingnuts preventing any discussion at all at an organized event is also indefensible. Death threats are beyond indefensible. Catch them and put them in jail.
I agree. We had a series of city council meetings a number of years ago that got rather...heated. Not unlike what's going on at these meetings. The solution was a strong show of force by the state and local police, and the instant removal of anyone who disrupted the meeting by speaking out of turn. The council, to their credit, sat there well past the middle of the night to make sure that everyone who wanted to speak got their chance at the microphone (for a strictly limited period of time; five minutes, as I recall) but anyone who shouted, interrupted, went over their time limit or engaged in personal attacks was immediately frog-marched out of the chamber and held on disorderly conduct charges until the meeting adjourned and the parking lot was empty.
I would strongly suggest that similar measures be taken in this instance. Hiding is only going to throw fuel on the fire.
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esch Sat, Aug 8, 2009 1:40:37pm |
re: #142 Killgore Trout
Sorry but the death threats are too much to deal with. It's a public safety issue and these small town can't afford all the police, metal detectors, bomb sniffing dogs etc. to deal with a potentially violent crowd or assassination attempts. Even the RoP couldn't shut down open political discussion in this country after 9-11. Wingnuts should be proud of themselves.
They are too much to deal with. No argument there.
However, conservatives in general are feeling active resistance and sabotage of representation. My own Rep Ellison had a 'town hall' where he failed to answer any questions, including 'are you going to answer any questions?'! This is symptomatic of what's happening all over.
Congress and the WH are actively pushing a radical transformative agenda and won't brook any questions or dissent. They're feeding this.
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tidford Sat, Aug 8, 2009 1:41:31pm |
It's not a coincidence that you have to be 100% pro Rush-Republicanism to be accepted into that group of koolaid drinkers.
Pragmatism, not idealism is what will return the moderate right to power in the US.
/Canadian
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pete(detroit) Sat, Aug 8, 2009 1:43:18pm |
re: #149 taxfreekiller
Americans win wars, and it is not because Americans accept being pushed around by any body, to include an out of control U.S. Senate, House and Executive .
We can only hope
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SixDegrees Sat, Aug 8, 2009 1:43:20pm |
re: #147 esch
They are too much to deal with. No argument there.
However, conservatives in general are feeling active resistance and sabotage of representation. My own Rep Ellison had a 'town hall' where he failed to answer any questions, including 'are you going to answer any questions?'! This is symptomatic of what's happening all over.
Congress and the WH are actively pushing a radical transformative agenda and won't brook any questions or dissent. They're feeding this.
I largely agree. It's important to keep in mind, in such situations, that although the host may be unreachable, you are also speaking to the audience as a whole. A calm, rational presentation will win over many, especially if fact-based. And a representative who refuses to listen to his constituents, even those he disagrees with, will not go unnoticed, either.
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esch Sat, Aug 8, 2009 1:43:36pm |
re: #146 SixDegrees
Completely reasonable.
So long as the officials actually answer the questions posited.
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Killgore Trout Sat, Aug 8, 2009 1:43:38pm |
re: #141 SixDegrees
If someone were attempting to inflame the situation even more than it already is, I can't think of a better way to toss gasoline and a match onto it than this.
Conservatives are responsible for their own rage, nobody else. The lesson to be learned is that debate and free speech will continue. If you can't be peaceful and orderly you will not be welcome to participate. If you act like a child you will be treated like a child. End of story. That the way the world works.
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SixDegrees Sat, Aug 8, 2009 1:45:18pm |
re: #152 esch
Completely reasonable.
So long as the officials actually answer the questions posited.
See above. Sometimes, you just have to take what you can get. In most cases, a Democratic representative is not going to be your friend or be swayed by your views. His other constituents, however, just might.
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SixDegrees Sat, Aug 8, 2009 1:47:05pm |
re: #153 Killgore Trout
Conservatives are responsible for their own rage, nobody else. The lesson to be learned is that debate and free speech will continue. If you can't be peaceful and orderly you will not be welcome to participate. If you act like a child you will be treated like a child. End of story. That the way the world works.
By invitation only "townhalls" don't facilitate debate or free speech, either. And it inflames those already incensed - rightly or wrongly - over exclusionary government. But see my other posts just above for a more practical solution that has worked in the past.
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satan sidekick Sat, Aug 8, 2009 1:47:07pm |
re: #118 Killgore Trout
How many times do people need to be told it wasn't the people attending the Town Halls that were the problem? It was the Union thugs.
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pete(detroit) Sat, Aug 8, 2009 1:47:19pm |
re: #153 Killgore Trout
If you act like a child you will be treated like a child. End of story. That the way the world works.
Well, the way it "should" work, anyway...
But w/ the socialist policies of 'penalize success, reward indolence' coming into play more and more daily...
The problem w/ paying attention to kids who throw tantrums is that it teaches more kids to throw tantrums.
The problem w/ pols who ONLY pay attention to kids who throw tantrums is that it teaches EVERY one to throw tantrums.
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Cheechako Sat, Aug 8, 2009 1:50:02pm |
re: #90 Gella
i am not sure if anybody posted this or not, but this is wrong
Congress Gets an Upgrade
$550 Million Slated for Purchase of Eight More Planes as Lawmakers' Travel Soars
[Link: online.wsj.com...]
If we were to elect Gov. Palin to POTUS would she advertise them for sale on E-Bay?
| 159 |
unrealizedviewpoint Sat, Aug 8, 2009 1:51:06pm |
re: #140 Jimmah
Hey 'unrealizedviewpoint', since you're on, I noticed that you downdinged every single post I made on the music thread last night? The posts were all either about music, ot just me saying goodnight, that sort of thing. Care to explain?
This might help. I'll go back and reverse them for you though. Sorry.
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esch Sat, Aug 8, 2009 1:54:11pm |
re: #153 Killgore Trout
It's not that simple.
What we are seeing in the WH and Congress is an expression of decades of liberal rage seeing their opportunity to finally force resolutions to everything they've loathed for decades. They switched to radical, inflammatory rhetoric literally overnight when they saw that threatened.
As government, you're always going to have angry whackjobs on the minority side. That's part of the job is keeping them relatively under control. They're failing miserably and feeding this.
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Ayeless in Ghazi Sat, Aug 8, 2009 2:02:43pm |
re: #159 unrealizedviewpoint
This might help. I'll go back and reverse them for you though. Sorry.
We may not agree on much, and yes, we will have occasion to downding each other from time to time, but I'd appreciate it if you keep it to the posts/ threads concerned in future. You are the one who comes off looking bad when you resort to this sort of thing.
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danrudy Sat, Aug 8, 2009 3:23:04pm |
Definitely a distortion of what Charles has said. Of course he does not support violence. Anyone reading here for more than 5 minutes will figure that out.
Now to my other point...
The reason these town halls may be so heated and becoming unruly is the sense of urgency. IF you want to take time to have a rational discussion, fine. However,the democrats are rushing this thing (like everything else) so fast and with such urgency is that it feels by the time we sit down to discuss the bill it will have been voted on, passed and enacted before we even got served Hor d'ovres.
When time is of the essence and people are stressed actions tend to be more severe. That just the way people react to stress.
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JPL17 Sat, Aug 8, 2009 4:18:27pm |
re: #146 SixDegrees
The solution was a strong show of force by the state and local police, and the instant removal of anyone who disrupted the meeting by speaking out of turn. The council, to their credit, sat there well past the middle of the night to make sure that everyone who wanted to speak got their chance at the microphone (for a strictly limited period of time; five minutes, as I recall) but anyone who shouted, interrupted, went over their time limit or engaged in personal attacks was immediately frog-marched out of the chamber and held on disorderly conduct charges...
I would strongly suggest that similar measures be taken in this instance. Hiding is only going to throw fuel on the fire.
What a refreshing blast of common sense.
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Ayeless in Ghazi Sat, Aug 8, 2009 6:37:07pm |
re: #159 unrealizedviewpoint
This might help. I'll go back and reverse them for you though. Sorry.
I notice you hung around for while, then logged off without reversing your downdings. Not that I give a fuck. Let them stand as a monument to your pettiness, if that's what you prefer.
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dsun Sun, Aug 9, 2009 4:48:17am |
sad world we live in Charles, people have no shame anymore, that kind of rethoric reminds of Ahmadinejad when he said there are no gays in iran (of course not they are being executed).
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