Here’s an excellent History Channel documentary titled “Nazi America: A Secret History,” in its entirety. Lots of information on the underground hate culture of white supremacism and neo-Nazism.
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Charles Johnson Sun, Aug 9, 2009 2:58:27pm |
"We come here to save our children from the mongloroids."
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zombie Sun, Aug 9, 2009 2:58:41pm |
They couldn't make a documentary about the underground hate culture of neo-Marxism because it's no longer underground.
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Sun, Aug 9, 2009 2:58:55pm |
I hate Illinois Nazis...
It has to be said...
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Jack Burton Sun, Aug 9, 2009 2:59:03pm |
When did the Hysteria Channel have time to squeeze this into their important lineup of UFO, Mayan Doomsday, Bigfoot, and Knights Templar conspiracy theory programming.
Maybe they fired the Paulians who were planning content.
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zombie Sun, Aug 9, 2009 3:01:04pm |
re: #3 Charles
"We come here to save our children from the mongloroids."
Hahahahaha!
It's shocking to see that there are still people who believe the complete whacko racial nonsense spewed in the late-19th-century up through the Nazi era. Some myths just refuse to die.
Incredible that they are still clinging to the old terminology ("mongolids"). Comical that they can't even spell it ("mongloroids").
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Charles Johnson Sun, Aug 9, 2009 3:01:08pm |
This documentary was made not too long before Irv Rubin was arrested for plotting to bomb the King Fahd Mosque in Culver City and kill Rep. Darrell Issa.
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Sun, Aug 9, 2009 3:01:18pm |
Does no one dig the Blues Brothers anymore?
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Sun, Aug 9, 2009 3:01:44pm |
The phrase "American Nazi" should be an oxymoron, I don't see how a person could be both. Sadly, it seems it is not an oxymoron. Just a bunch of toxic morons.
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Sun, Aug 9, 2009 3:02:12pm |
re: #12 LudwigVanQuixote
Sorry, I have to make some bit of humor before looking at scum like this.
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albusteve Sun, Aug 9, 2009 3:02:26pm |
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ag in houston Sun, Aug 9, 2009 3:02:32pm |
I saw this a while back. I can't watch again.
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Charles Johnson Sun, Aug 9, 2009 3:03:55pm |
Interesting that whenever there's a topic that mentions Nazis, Google Adsense serves up ads for anger management courses.
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Sun, Aug 9, 2009 3:04:12pm |
re: #10 zombie
You would also think that they would admire a "go-getter" like Ghengis Khan... Though to be fair too Ghengis, he was not particular racist or religiously intolerant. He just had this notion that if you had something shiny and he wanted it, there was nothing wrong with him and 50,000 of his closest buddies coming to take it.
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zombie Sun, Aug 9, 2009 3:04:36pm |
Speaking of which: one of the people who still clung to the old Nazi-era "improving the race" eugenics theories was Harrison Brown -- John Holdren's mentor and the primary source of his worldview.
If a right-winger had the same ideologicial connections, they'd be run out of town on a rail. But since he's a left-winger -- he's in the White House, directing policy.
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sattv4u2 Sun, Aug 9, 2009 3:04:59pm |
re: #6 LudwigVanQuixote
I hate Illinois Nazis...
It has to be said...
" I hate Nazis ,, ESPECIALLY Illinois Nazis" iirc
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albusteve Sun, Aug 9, 2009 3:05:27pm |
re: #19 Charles
Interesting that whenever there's a topic that mentions Nazis, Google Adsense serves up ads for anger management courses.
Big Therapy is watching
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Jack Burton Sun, Aug 9, 2009 3:05:29pm |
re: #19 Charles
Interesting that whenever there's a topic that mentions Nazis, Google Adsense serves up ads for anger management courses.
I see:
Is Transformers 2 Racist?
Mudflap And Skidz Are Just The Tip Of The Iceberg. Discuss.
Nazi robots...
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Sun, Aug 9, 2009 3:06:16pm |
Seriously, fuck these guys. You can't wave a nazi flag and call yourself American, as far as I am concerned.
*spit*
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albusteve Sun, Aug 9, 2009 3:09:02pm |
re: #25 Slumbering Behemoth
Seriously, fuck these guys. You can't wave a nazi flag and call yourself American, as far as I am concerned.
*spit*
exploitation of the worst kind...hiding behind the mighty 1st
spit x 2
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Athens Runaway Sun, Aug 9, 2009 3:09:11pm |
re: #24 ArchangelMichael
Nazi robots...
The Washington Times did make the argument that Transformers 2 had "fascist overtones." The piece also complained that the Transformers were working with the Brits and the US, and not with a non-Western nation such as Venezuela.
To be fair, they also had a write-up on Michael Jackson and how he was a fascist as well.
When your only tool is a hammer, all you see is nails...
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Irenicum Sun, Aug 9, 2009 3:09:26pm |
re: #12 LudwigVanQuixote
I almost bought the soundtrack yesterday. I love that movie!
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sattv4u2 Sun, Aug 9, 2009 3:09:30pm |
re: #26 buzzsawmonkey
This documentary is aimed more at the behind the scenes underground no names that spawned the current skin head and neo nazis rather than that far back in history , iirc
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Erik The Red Sun, Aug 9, 2009 3:09:47pm |
I wonder if any of these arseholes forefathers fought against the NAZI'S in WW2. Would be ironic.
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haakondahl Sun, Aug 9, 2009 3:12:06pm |
Get a load of the clowns at 2:20 attempting pathetically to execute a right flank.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Sun, Aug 9, 2009 3:13:08pm |
I am not entirely sure how accurate the following link is. It is a humor site, after all. But here goes:
Third Reich to Fortune 500: Five Popular Brands the Nazis Gave Us
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sattv4u2 Sun, Aug 9, 2009 3:13:27pm |
re: #32 buzzsawmonkey
K ,, I guess I watched a diffrent one on History Channel I'm referring too. Thanks
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Irenicum Sun, Aug 9, 2009 3:14:21pm |
re: #28 Athens Runaway
I don't put much, if any, credence to what the Washington Times prints. It's "news" arm of the Moonies. Moonies are seriously crazy.
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albusteve Sun, Aug 9, 2009 3:14:28pm |
re: #32 buzzsawmonkey
The part I am looking at is discussing Nazism as it took hold in Germany and in the US in the 1930s. Henry Ford (whom Hitler admired to the extent of having Ford's picture on his wall, and whose assembly-line systems Hitler emulated in the Final Solution) was a very large part of laying the groundwork for Nazism in Germany, and providing fertile soil for its antisemitic ideology here.
and his grandson still owns the Lions...trivia factoid
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Charles Johnson Sun, Aug 9, 2009 3:15:26pm |
We got mail:
I guess everyone who disagrees with you charles is a nazi. It is your
web site, but for someone who preaches tolerance you are sure a one way
man. You don't need a weatherman to know which way the wind blows.
Wha?!
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NelsFree Sun, Aug 9, 2009 3:15:34pm |
A Jewish lawyer for the ACLU defended the American Nazi Party's right to hold a parade in Skokie, IL some years ago.
[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]
Phil Donahue hosted both groups on his talk show at the time. I saw the show.
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Irenicum Sun, Aug 9, 2009 3:15:51pm |
re: #37 albusteve
Maybe that's why they can't win worth shit. Maybe God does have a sense of humor!
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sattv4u2 Sun, Aug 9, 2009 3:16:22pm |
re: #39 Charles
We got mail:
Wha?!
Someone that got the boot today, perhaps (during the AGW thread(s))
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Killian Bundy Sun, Aug 9, 2009 3:16:46pm |
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Sun, Aug 9, 2009 3:16:48pm |
re: #26 buzzsawmonkey
I also do not find any mention in this documentary of Henry Ford's dissemination of his antisemitic screed "The International Jew," both in the United States, and in Germany through his Ford agencies there, which helped to inflame the antisemitic passions in German society which Hitler and his followers exploited.
There is a story that I was told by my father who is quite the history buff. I have not ever tried to verify it, but I trust my old man. He is quite the history buff.
He said that after the war, George Marshall told several of the heads of American Jewish organizations that they could have congressional support for prosecuting American industrialists and financiers, or congressional support for the UN resolution creating the State of Israel - but not both.
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Irenicum Sun, Aug 9, 2009 3:17:25pm |
re: #39 Charles
A little self-centered huh? It's ALL ABOUT HIM!!! HAHAHAHA!!!
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albusteve Sun, Aug 9, 2009 3:17:39pm |
re: #41 Irenicum
Maybe that's why they can't win worth shit. Maybe God does have a sense of humor!
jus sayin...karma is a bitch
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albusteve Sun, Aug 9, 2009 3:18:43pm |
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sattv4u2 Sun, Aug 9, 2009 3:20:22pm |
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Sun, Aug 9, 2009 3:21:07pm |
re: #39 Charles
Who'da thunk you'd see someone waving a flag with a swastika, and have the audacity to call that someone a nazi. What nerve.
/
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HoosierHoops Sun, Aug 9, 2009 3:21:28pm |
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sattv4u2 Sun, Aug 9, 2009 3:23:56pm |
re: #56 HoosierHoops
Send us a postcard from Hotel California...
*wink*
heheh
You'll appreciate this. Just got a call from NASACR. They usually do a highlight/ interview broadcast for the media after each race.
So what they want me to do tonight is put up a slate on satellite that states the race was cancelled today so there will be no highlights
Ummm,, this show is for the MEDIA ,,, don't they think the MEDIA would KNOW there was no race therefor no HIGHLIGHTS !!
Ahh hell ,, 'customer is always right!"
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HoosierHoops Sun, Aug 9, 2009 3:24:24pm |
re: #57 Irenicum
That song still freaks me out!
It's only bad if you are one of those pretty boys she calls friends...
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DEZes Sun, Aug 9, 2009 3:25:52pm |
re: #59 HoosierHoops
It's only bad if you are one of those pretty boys she calls friends...
They stab it with their steely knives, but just cant kill the beast.
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earth56 Sun, Aug 9, 2009 3:25:56pm |
All I can think of is putting 20 Israeli elite paratroopers opposite their "Arayan" best and see who comes out on top.
Then we'll end this ludicrous Zeig Heil Bullcrap
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Sun, Aug 9, 2009 3:27:07pm |
re: #38 haakondahl
We might as well start the countdown now.
"LGF says christians are nazis" in 5...4...3...
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HoosierHoops Sun, Aug 9, 2009 3:27:08pm |
re: #58 sattv4u2
heheh
You'll appreciate this. Just got a call from NASACR. They usually do a highlight/ interview broadcast for the media after each race.
So what they want me to do tonight is put up a slate on satellite that states the race was cancelled today so there will be no highlights
Ummm,, this show is for the MEDIA ,,, don't they think the MEDIA would KNOW there was no race therefor no HIGHLIGHTS !!
Ahh hell ,, 'customer is always right!"
The race was called off hours ago! I'm coming home for lunch at noon monday...A little NASCAR for lunch
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Pvt Bin Jammin Sun, Aug 9, 2009 3:27:59pm |
re: #67 Slumbering Behemoth
We might as well start the countdown now.
"LGF says christians are nazis" in 5...4...3...
I give it twenty minutes, LOL.
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doppelganglander Sun, Aug 9, 2009 3:28:13pm |
re: #26 buzzsawmonkey
I also do not find any mention in this documentary of Henry Ford's dissemination of his antisemitic screed "The International Jew," both in the United States, and in Germany through his Ford agencies there, which helped to inflame the antisemitic passions in German society which Hitler and his followers exploited.
My daughter went to a college that had a group of buildings endowed by old Henry. She lived in one of the two dorms named for his daughters. Should I feel bad about this?
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Charles Johnson Sun, Aug 9, 2009 3:28:23pm |
re: #42 sattv4u2
Someone that got the boot today, perhaps (during the AGW thread(s))
No, doesn't seem to be a banned user.
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sattv4u2 Sun, Aug 9, 2009 3:28:43pm |
re: #68 HoosierHoops
The race was called off hours ago! I'm coming home for lunch at noon monday...A little NASCAR for lunch
I know , thats my point. What it means is that NASCAR was getting calls asking when the highlights would be shown tonight!
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Ojoe Sun, Aug 9, 2009 3:29:43pm |
re: #67 Slumbering Behemoth
Nazis were often occultists.
There is an OP book, "The Occult and the Third Reich". It is an eye opener.
The "Occult" is demonic stuff, watch out.
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sattv4u2 Sun, Aug 9, 2009 3:29:55pm |
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doppelganglander Sun, Aug 9, 2009 3:31:18pm |
re: #73 buzzsawmonkey
I don't see why.
Thanks. I never felt bad about it, nor did anyone else at the college.
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Ojoe Sun, Aug 9, 2009 3:31:55pm |
re: #49 buzzsawmonkey
I'm not even Jewish & I try not to ever buy German stuff even now.
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doppelganglander Sun, Aug 9, 2009 3:32:09pm |
re: #74 Ojoe
Nazis were often occultists.
There is an OP book, "The Occult and the Third Reich". It is an eye opener.
The "Occult" is demonic stuff, watch out.
It's also the subject of another History Channel program. I recommend it highly.
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sattv4u2 Sun, Aug 9, 2009 3:33:53pm |
re: #78 Ojoe
I'm not even Jewish & I try not to ever buy German stuff even now.
Do you also not buy Japanese products?
Italian? Hungarian? Romanian?
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MJ Sun, Aug 9, 2009 3:34:21pm |
re: #40 NelsFree
A Jewish lawyer for the ACLU defended the American Nazi Party's right to hold a parade in Skokie, IL some years ago.
[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]
Phil Donahue hosted both groups on his talk show at the time. I saw the show.
I was lived in Skokie at the time.
I also did some of my grad work in Constitutional Law with Donald Downs who wrote:
[Link: www.biblio.com...]
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Ojoe Sun, Aug 9, 2009 3:35:32pm |
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MJ Sun, Aug 9, 2009 3:35:50pm |
re: #49 buzzsawmonkey
Sounds plausible.
I would add that American Jews of my parents' generation still were reluctant to buy Fords as late as the 1960s because of Henry Ford, even though the old bastard was by that time long dead. That's pretty much faded now, but 40 years ago there was still strong feeling about this.
I wouldn't go that far. I still won't by a Ford.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Sun, Aug 9, 2009 3:35:55pm |
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Sun, Aug 9, 2009 3:36:23pm |
re: #40 NelsFree
A Jewish lawyer for the ACLU defended the American Nazi Party's right to hold a parade in Skokie, IL some years ago.
[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]
Phil Donahue hosted both groups on his talk show at the time. I saw the show.
That's true the lawyer defended their right to march and he was Jewish.
It is an astonishing stand on many levels. The ACLU (in those days, and it is a much different organization today than it was then) saw the first amendment rights of even Nazi scum outweighing the pain and suffering such a march would have caused the residents of Skokie - many of whom were camp survivors.
He saw it as the ultimate test of believing in the First Amendment. I obviously believe in the principle, but not the application.
Historically what happened was that the Nazi bastards got the right to march. However, they were informed by numerous back channels that if they did march, the residents of Skokie would express their free speech rights with baseball bats.
That Nazi's chickened out.
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Sun, Aug 9, 2009 3:36:57pm |
re: #49 buzzsawmonkey
Sounds plausible.
I would add that American Jews of my parents' generation still were reluctant to buy Fords as late as the 1960s because of Henry Ford, even though the old bastard was by that time long dead. That's pretty much faded now, but 40 years ago there was still strong feeling about this.
Bastard got an Iron Cross for helping to rebuild the Krupp works... go figure.
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Our Precious Bodily Fluids Sun, Aug 9, 2009 3:37:58pm |
Clearly, Barack Obama is a white supremacist neo-Nazi.
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midwestgak Sun, Aug 9, 2009 3:38:33pm |
re: #78 Ojoe
I'm not even Jewish & I try not to ever buy German stuff even now.
What "German stuff" is sold in America that you knowingly "try not to ever buy? Just askin'. Even now.
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Ojoe Sun, Aug 9, 2009 3:38:46pm |
re: #84 Slumbering Behemoth
If you do church work you will see some pretty strange stuff; I personally cannot discount the reality of that which you refer to.
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sattv4u2 Sun, Aug 9, 2009 3:39:17pm |
re: #87 negativ
Clearly, you either
A) forgot your SARC tag
or
B) don't value your account
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MJ Sun, Aug 9, 2009 3:40:01pm |
re: #85 LudwigVanQuixote
That's true the lawyer defended their right to march and he was Jewish.
It is an astonishing stand on many levels. The ACLU (in those days, and it is a much different organization today than it was then) saw the first amendment rights of even Nazi scum outweighing the pain and suffering such a march would have caused the residents of Skokie - many of whom were camp survivors.
He saw it as the ultimate test of believing in the First Amendment. I obviously believe in the principle, but not the application.
Historically what happened was that the Nazi bastards got the right to march. However, they were informed by numerous back channels that if they did march, the residents of Skokie would express their free speech rights with baseball bats.
That Nazi's chickened out.
That Nazi - Frank Collin-a convicted pedophile whose father was Jewish, is still around:
[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]
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Ojoe Sun, Aug 9, 2009 3:40:16pm |
re: #88 midwestgak
No merceeds or porches in my hot wheel collection is one example.
Even though they are made in Indonesia.
I lost ancestors in both world wars .
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yochanan Sun, Aug 9, 2009 3:40:51pm |
were i like leftist and muslim anti semites are a lot more common than the neo fascist kind.
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Sun, Aug 9, 2009 3:41:42pm |
re: #39 Charles
We got mail:
Wha?!
Well, let me break down the crazy...
You see Charles you have committed the sin of not completely buying the right wing fanaticism on AGW (hence the whether reference) and these guys feel persecuted now, because they are bravely defending the truth from the forces of an evil scientific conspiracy.
Then you posted a Nazi link.
So you see, the two must be linked. You don't share their denialist delusions, and you hate Nazis, and since the deniers are a persecuted minority of good folks, you must be persecuting them even more by calling them Nazis.
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calcajun Sun, Aug 9, 2009 3:41:44pm |
OK-- Darwin was wrong.
Having grown up around Klan-types, I have an understanding (limited) of these people. As I have been saying elsewhere, fear is the fuel that drives them, that coupled with a feeling of a loss of control. When we take counsel of our fears, we become capable of the most horrific acts.
As for the bases of their beliefs, I suspect that this is equal parts willful ignorance (ie, looking no further than the materials that support your world view) and actual malice. The sad part is that this is the human condition.
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NelsFree Sun, Aug 9, 2009 3:41:54pm |
re: #74 Ojoe
Nazis were often occultists.
There is an OP book, "The Occult and the Third Reich". It is an eye opener.
The "Occult" is demonic stuff, watch out.
Hermann Goerring used some of Nostradamus' The Centuries to support Hitler's rise to power.
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calcajun Sun, Aug 9, 2009 3:42:14pm |
re: #82 Ojoe
No, just German
I hate being part of the baby boom too, it is too crowded.
You won't have that feeling much longer as the boomers begin to die off.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Sun, Aug 9, 2009 3:42:15pm |
re: #89 Ojoe
If you do church work you will see some pretty strange stuff; I personally cannot discount the reality of that which you refer to.
I've seen a lot of strange people, but no such phenomenon that would conclusively define the paranormal or supernatural as "reality".
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MJ Sun, Aug 9, 2009 3:42:25pm |
re: #44 LudwigVanQuixote
There is a story that I was told by my father who is quite the history buff. I have not ever tried to verify it, but I trust my old man. He is quite the history buff.
He said that after the war, George Marshall told several of the heads of American Jewish organizations that they could have congressional support for prosecuting American industrialists and financiers, or congressional support for the UN resolution creating the State of Israel - but not both.
Marshall didn't support the creation of Israel.
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yochanan Sun, Aug 9, 2009 3:42:39pm |
re: #85 LudwigVanQuixote
i got arrested back then for fighting the nazi's and frankly I have had no use for the ACLU since then.
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calcajun Sun, Aug 9, 2009 3:43:24pm |
re: #87 negativ
I think I speak for everyone when I say, "Huh?"
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NelsFree Sun, Aug 9, 2009 3:44:12pm |
Oh, wait, was it Goerring or Himmler? It's all German to me...
/
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doppelganglander Sun, Aug 9, 2009 3:45:33pm |
re: #98 calcajun
You won't have that feeling much longer as the boomers begin to die off.
They'll never die. They'll spend all their children's inheritance on exotic medical treatments to keep themselves alive. They are so used to being the center of America's attention that they will cling to life just to get a Time magazine cover that says "90 is the new 80."
/just barely a baby boomer, but I will deny it.
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Ojoe Sun, Aug 9, 2009 3:46:45pm |
re: #105 doppelganglander
Man when it's my turn I'm gonna welcome it.
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yochanan Sun, Aug 9, 2009 3:47:19pm |
re: #94 yochanan
were i like leftist and muslim anti semites are a lot more common than the neo fascist kind.
LIVE not like ooops PIMF.
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doppelganglander Sun, Aug 9, 2009 3:48:23pm |
re: #107 Ojoe
Man when it's my turn I'm gonna welcome it.
It's sad when you put it that way. I wish you many years of good health and happiness.
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callahan23 Sun, Aug 9, 2009 3:49:02pm |
re: #108 yochanan
were i like leftist and muslim anti semites are a lot more common than the neo fascist kind.LIVE not like ooops PIMF.
Same where I live, Germany. :-(
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Sun, Aug 9, 2009 3:49:30pm |
re: #92 MJ
That Nazi - Frank Collin-a convicted pedophile whose father was Jewish, is still around:
[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]
WOW... WOW... WOW... I never knew that his father was Jewish...
Well, when Jews say that the worst anti-Semites are the self haters... WOW WOW WOW
I am still in shock.
THe only good news is that it was his father... I can actually make a no true Scotsman argument, because this asshole isn't.
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Ojoe Sun, Aug 9, 2009 3:49:44pm |
re: #109 doppelganglander
Probably it will be a long time, thanks.
But just think, not to have to put up with the foolishness of politics anymore...
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Sun, Aug 9, 2009 3:50:33pm |
re: #100 MJ
Marshall didn't support the creation of Israel.
I know. He also didn't support putting people like Henry Ford or Prescott Bush in jail.
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calcajun Sun, Aug 9, 2009 3:51:39pm |
re: #64 earth56
All I can think of is putting 20 Israeli elite paratroopers opposite their "Arayan" best and see who comes out on top.
Then we'll end this ludicrous Zeig Heil Bullcrap
Nah. All you need is a couple of singers in black suits in a 1973 Plymouth Fury Sedan-- with cop motor, cop shocks, cop brakes.
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yochanan Sun, Aug 9, 2009 3:53:15pm |
[Link: www.nypost.com...]
THIS BOTHERS ME A HELL OF A LOT MORE.
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doppelganglander Sun, Aug 9, 2009 3:54:16pm |
re: #112 Ojoe
Probably it will be a long time, thanks.
But just think, not to have to put up with the foolishness of politics anymore...
When you put it that way, it sounds kind of attractive.
They'll have to drag me kicking and screaming out of this world. There are so many things I'd like to do before I go. My last words will probably be "But I'm not finished yet..."
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sattv4u2 Sun, Aug 9, 2009 3:54:47pm |
re: #114 calcajun
Nah. All you need is a couple of singers in black suits in a 1973 Plymouth Fury Sedan-- with cop motor, cop shocks, cop brakes.
cop out
cop a feel
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Sharmuta Sun, Aug 9, 2009 3:56:29pm |
Thank you for posting this, Charles. I think it's very important that people begin to take these bigots very seriously, and they are not only mainstreaming themselves in Europe, but here in the United States as well. An important component of this is getting to know who it is they are first. If you don't know your enemy's history, you cannot know their present.
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yochanan Sun, Aug 9, 2009 3:56:36pm |
re: #117 sattv4u2
WELL I also hate ill. nazi's but right now islmo fascists are more of a problem esp since iran is trying to get nukes.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Sun, Aug 9, 2009 3:57:45pm |
re: #116 doppelganglander
Don't go quietly...
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sattv4u2 Sun, Aug 9, 2009 3:58:16pm |
re: #119 yochanan
WELL I also hate ill. nazi's but right now islmo fascists are more of a problem esp since iran is trying to get nukes.
I have no idea what that had to do with my 117, but
RIGHT ON BROTHER!
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Sun, Aug 9, 2009 3:58:32pm |
re: #64 earth56
All I can think of is putting 20 Israeli elite paratroopers opposite their "Arayan" best and see who comes out on top.
Then we'll end this ludicrous Zeig Heil Bullcrap
You make a very interesting point about how perceptions of Jews have changed with the creation of Israel.
In various nations around the world, Jewish soldiers and sailors had served with distinction for some time. There were many German Jewish veterans of WW1, who had an Iron Cross and who were none the less killed by the Nazis.
Even so, the image of the Jew then was of a coward and a weakling. The right wing types, with their fascist notions of strength used this stereotype relentlessly against Jews in those days.
The Israel was formed, and yet another generation of Jews fought bravely and with distinction, but since it was an actually Jewish army, the world could not pretend that Jewish capacity on the battlefield didn't exist.
In some corners, this has helped the image of Jews greatly.
In others, well, now the image is that Jews are blood thirsty badasses who crush innocents with their military might, and the Left uses that stereotype relentlessly against Jews these days.
Being Jewish always means that both the far right and the far left hate you.
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MJ Sun, Aug 9, 2009 3:59:11pm |
re: #102 buzzsawmonkey
By the way...I'm into the war years on the documentary now, and I note that it has completely glossed over the fear of homegrown American fascism which pervaded the 1936 Presidential election, which prompted Sinclair Lewis to write his novel of a Nazi/fascist takeover of America, "It Can't Happen Here."
Huey Long, assassinated shortly after that election, was considered a homegrown American fascist, and was somewhat the model for Berzelius ("Buzz") Windrip (i.e., "fart"), the fascist Senator who wins the Presidency in Lewis' novel.
More to the point, Long's associate Gerald LK Smith, of whom I have yet to hear mention in this documentary, was considered a bridge between Long and postwar American fascism.
Buzz, ever read Under Cover by John Roy Carlson (Avedis Boghos Derounian)?
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Sharmuta Sun, Aug 9, 2009 3:59:59pm |
From the Archives:
As some well-known “anti-jihad” writers and bloggers continue to defend the Belgian Vlaams Belang party against a mountain of well-documented charges that they are a fascist group, it’s very revealing to read the definition of “fascism” that concludes Robert Paxton’s comprehensive scholarly work, The Anatomy of Fascism.
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sattv4u2 Sun, Aug 9, 2009 4:01:27pm |
OKAY ,,, OKAY ,,, Thankfully I'm wrong
I didn;t post it but I thought to myself that by post #125 we'd get the "TODAYS NAZIS ARE REALLY LEFT WINGERS" crowd!
I've never been so happy to be wrong!
(my wife, otoh is always thrilled by it, and reminds me of those times frequently!!))
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yochanan Sun, Aug 9, 2009 4:01:30pm |
re: #121 sattv4u2
Nah. All you need is a couple of singers in black suits in a 1973 Plymouth Fury Sedan-- with cop motor, cop shocks, cop brakes.
the line was from the blues brothers i.e. singers in black with a cop car.
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opnion Sun, Aug 9, 2009 4:01:38pm |
Remember the I hate Illinois Nazis in the Blues Brothers?
They really did exist in the area Marquette Park, where the scene took place.
I was driving past their headquarters years ago on a Summer day.
They were standing outside with , the door open & you could see a pool table.
They had their uniforms & armbands on. They seemed like a bunch of pathetic little creeps.
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sattv4u2 Sun, Aug 9, 2009 4:02:09pm |
re: #128 yochanan
Nah. All you need is a couple of singers in black suits in a 1973 Plymouth Fury Sedan-- with cop motor, cop shocks, cop brakes.
the line was from the blues brothers i.e. singers in black with a cop car.
K ,, sorry ,,, didn't put 2 and 2 together
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NelsFree Sun, Aug 9, 2009 4:02:19pm |
From Nostradamus' The Centuries, Second Century, Quatrain 24:
"Bestes farouches de faim fleuves tranner,
Plus part du champ encontre Hister sera.
En caige de fer le grand fera treisner,
Qand rien enfant de Germain observera."
Translation by Erika Cheetham:
"Beasts wild with hunger will cross the rivers,
the greater part of the battlefield will be against Hitler.
He will drag the leader in a cage of iron,
when the child of Germany observes no law."
Note: Hister is the former name of the Danube River. Hitler was born near this river. Goebbels used this and other quatrains to propagandize Hitler. (Not Goerring, not Himmler, sheesh)
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Sun, Aug 9, 2009 4:03:00pm |
I wish I still had a copy of "Return to Castle Wolfenstein". I have an overwhelming urge to jump into Blazkowicz's boots and do some serious damage.
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opnion Sun, Aug 9, 2009 4:03:09pm |
re: #119 yochanan
WELL I also hate ill. nazi's but right now islmo fascists are more of a problem esp since iran is trying to get nukes.
They are creeps, but you are right about the priority.
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NelsFree Sun, Aug 9, 2009 4:03:28pm |
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MJ Sun, Aug 9, 2009 4:03:32pm |
re: #126 buzzsawmonkey
No, I'm not familiar with it.
Get a copy. Here's Wiki on it:
[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]
It's not an academic book but in some ways much better.
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sattv4u2 Sun, Aug 9, 2009 4:04:01pm |
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NelsFree Sun, Aug 9, 2009 4:05:24pm |
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Earth56 Sun, Aug 9, 2009 4:06:19pm |
"LudwigVanQuixote
8/09/09 3:58:32 pm reply quote 2downupfavoritereport
"In others, well, now the image is that Jews are blood thirsty badasses who crush innocents with their military might, and the Left uses that stereotype relentlessly against Jews these days.
Being Jewish always means that both the far right and the far left hate you."
The worst are self hating Jews or "I want to be seen as fair so I'll join the other side" Jews. I despise them as much or more than the actual enemy.
My answer to those Jews is 'Khish my tuchas'
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NelsFree Sun, Aug 9, 2009 4:07:01pm |
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NelsFree Sun, Aug 9, 2009 4:08:40pm |
re: #138 buzzsawmonkey
The History Channel says, "the residents referred to Skokie as a village, and the camraderie stemmed from the high concentration of Holocaust survivors..."
No.
Skokie is referred to as "a village" because that is how it is incorporated as a political entity, just like Oak Park, River Forest, and most of the other Chicago suburbs. And, while Skokie surely has, or had, a high concentration of Holocaust survivors, this (and its "camraderie") was due to its having, quite simply, a high percentage of Jewish population.
Who the hell writes this crap?
M. Night Shyamalan, of course...
[Link: www.imdb.com...]
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Our Precious Bodily Fluids Sun, Aug 9, 2009 4:09:02pm |
Well I'm about to get sick
From watchin' my TV
Been checkin' out the news
Until my eyeballs fail to see
I mean to say that every day
Is just another rotten mess
And when it's gonna change, my friend
Is anybody's guess
So I'm watchin' and I'm waitin'
Hopin' for the best
Even think I'll go to prayin'
Every time I hear 'em sayin'
That there's no way to delay
That trouble comin' every day
No way to delay
That trouble comin' every day
Wednesday I watched the riots
Seen the cops out on the street
Watched 'em throwin' rocks and stuff
And chokin' in the heat
Listened to reports
About the whisky passin' 'round
Seen the smoke and fire
And the markets burnin' down
Watched while everybody
On his street would take a turn
To stomp and smash and bash and crash
And slash and bust and burn
And I'm watchin' and I'm waitin'
Hopin' for the best
Even think I'll go to prayin'
Every time I hear 'em sayin'
That there's no way to delay
That trouble comin' every day
No way to delay
That trouble comin' every day
Well, you can cool it,
You can heat it
'Cause, baby, I don't need it
Take your TV tube and eat it
'N all that phony stuff on sports
'N all the unconfirmed reports
You know I watched that rotten box
Until my head begin to hurt
From checkin' out the way
The newsman say they get the dirt
Before the guys on channel so-and-so
And further they assert
That any show they'll interrupt
To bring you news if it comes up
They say that if the place blows up
They will be the first to tell,
Because the boys they got downtown
Are workin' hard and doin' swell,
And if anybody gets the news
Before it hits the street,
They'll say that no one blabs it faster
Their coverage can't be beat
And if another woman driver
Gets machine-gunned from her seat
They'll send some joker with a Brownie
And you'll see it all complete
So I'm watchin' and I'm waitin'
Hopin' for the best
Even think I'll go to prayin'
Every time I hear 'em sayin'
That there's no way to delay
That trouble comin' every day
No way to delay
That trouble comin' every day
Hey, you know something people?
I'm not black
But there's a whole lotsa times
I wish I could say I'm not white!
Well, I seen the fires burnin'
And the local people turnin'
On the merchants and the shops
Who used to sell their brooms and mops
And every other household item
Watched the mob just turn and bite 'em
And they say it served 'em right
Because a few of them are white,
And it's the same across the nation
Black and white discrimination
Yellin' "You can't understand me!"
'N all that other jazz they hand me
In the papers and TV
And all that mass stupidity
That seems to grow more every day
Each time you hear some nitwit say
He wants to go and do you in
Because the color of your skin
Just simdon't appeal to him
(No matter if it's black or white)
Because he's out for blood tonight
You know we got to sit around at home
And watch this thing begin
But I bet there won't be many live
To see it really end
'Cause the fire in the street
Ain't like the fire in the heart
And in the eyes of all these people
Don't you know that this could start
On any street in any town
In any state if any clown
Decides that now's the time to fight
For some ideal he thinks is right
And if a million more agree
There ain't no Great Society
As it applies to you and me
Our country isn't free
And the law refuses to see
If all that you can ever be
Is just a lousy janitor
Unless your uncle owns a store
You know that five in every four
Just won't amount to nothin' more
Gonna watch the rats go across the floor
And make up songs about being poor
Blow your harmonica, son!
---
IT CAN'T HAPPEN HERE.
[Link: video.yahoo.com...]
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zombie Sun, Aug 9, 2009 4:09:19pm |
re: #138 buzzsawmonkey
Who the hell writes this crap?
Ignorant twentysomething recent college graduates who do lazy "research" on the Web or Lexis-Nexis. Believe me, I've encountered sriptwriters for documentary TV shows before and the level of non-knowledge is terrifying. It's all done by rote, like someone mouthing the words of a foreign language without really knowing what it means syntactically.
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sattv4u2 Sun, Aug 9, 2009 4:10:09pm |
re: #142 negativ
after your last (drivel) post, you REALLY don't expect any of us to read all of that do you?
Is there a Cliff Notes version available??
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Randall Gross Sun, Aug 9, 2009 4:10:28pm |
re: #32 buzzsawmonkey
The part I am looking at is discussing Nazism as it took hold in Germany and in the US in the 1930s. Henry Ford (whom Hitler admired to the extent of having Ford's picture on his wall, and whose assembly-line systems Hitler emulated in the Final Solution) was a very large part of laying the groundwork for Nazism in Germany, and providing fertile soil for its antisemitic ideology here.
Yes, but it's tracing the main roots of the current movement, from Franz "The Great One" Kuhn, leader of the German Bund and American Fuehrer all the way to and past the Brinks robbery to near present times. It leaves off before David Duke, Stormfront, Lew Rockwell, Paul Weyrich, and the ties to the neoconfederacy.
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yochanan Sun, Aug 9, 2009 4:10:31pm |
re: #138 buzzsawmonkey
i got arrested fighting those nazi's my wife had to come bail me out of jail and she was 10.5 months preg. with twins. lets just say she wasn't all that pleased.
well when my case went to trial it seems my lawyer, the judge and states att. all went to the same shul and they were haveing an interesting conv. in yiddish about me. lets just say i got off.
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MJ Sun, Aug 9, 2009 4:12:16pm |
re: #138 buzzsawmonkey
The History Channel says, "the residents referred to Skokie as a village, and the camraderie stemmed from the high concentration of Holocaust survivors..."
No.
Skokie is referred to as "a village" because that is how it is incorporated as a political entity, just like Oak Park, River Forest, and most of the other Chicago suburbs. And, while Skokie surely has, or had, a high concentration of Holocaust survivors, this (and its "camraderie") was due to its having, quite simply, a high percentage of Jewish population.
Who the hell writes this crap?
Skokie bills itself as the "World's largest Village". It's idiotic.
This show is not very good. In fact, it's terrible.
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Our Precious Bodily Fluids Sun, Aug 9, 2009 4:12:42pm |
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Earth56 Sun, Aug 9, 2009 4:13:37pm |
re: #143 zombie
you mean just having a degree these days doesn't give you the right to label yourself a genuis ?
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Randall Gross Sun, Aug 9, 2009 4:13:49pm |
re: #129 opnion
Remember the I hate Illinois Nazis in the Blues Brothers?
They really did exist in the area Marquette Park, where the scene took place.
I was driving past their headquarters years ago on a Summer day.
They were standing outside with , the door open & you could see a pool table.
They had their uniforms & armbands on. They seemed like a bunch of pathetic little creeps.
The guy they got to play the part in the blues brother movie looks strikingly like the guy in the documentary too.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Sun, Aug 9, 2009 4:14:12pm |
re: #150 negativ
Oh, fuck your condescension. I know humor, and you ain't funny.
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sattv4u2 Sun, Aug 9, 2009 4:14:13pm |
re: #150 negativ
Here you go:
[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]
/pat pat
Old comedic axiom
It wasn;t funny if you had to 'splain it
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midwestgak Sun, Aug 9, 2009 4:15:02pm |
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yochanan Sun, Aug 9, 2009 4:15:27pm |
re: #149 MJ
skokie is just next door to the part of chicago i live in. just one of a number of subs. lincolnwood, skokie, evanston, chicago all come together and unless you have a map or live here you really don't know were one is vs. the others.
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sattv4u2 Sun, Aug 9, 2009 4:16:05pm |
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Randall Gross Sun, Aug 9, 2009 4:16:17pm |
I've always wondered if GL Rockwell and Lew are related by more than ideology, does anyone know if there's a family connection?
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Randall Gross Sun, Aug 9, 2009 4:17:51pm |
re: #158 buzzsawmonkey
Yeah, but it's a long history with lots of material as we all know. They are sticking to the mainline so they can fit it into two hours. I'm going to cut them some slack.
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Sharmuta Sun, Aug 9, 2009 4:17:56pm |
Again from the archives:
British Fascists and 'Christian' Racism
This pseudo-historical belief system allows white nationalists to claim that the Bible is a book written by Europeans, about Europeans, and for Europeans, for according to this theory, Europeans are the Biblical Israelites. British Israelism, then, is a ‘Christian’ religion that promotes Eurocentricism and opposes ‘race mixing’ as an affront to ‘God’s plan’.
Since these fascists think they're good Christians, I felt this old thread fit.
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RebelDebater Sun, Aug 9, 2009 4:18:07pm |
they remind me of nancy and harry (our "leaders")...seeing as they're interested in eugenics and such things as well
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midwestgak Sun, Aug 9, 2009 4:18:20pm |
re: #159 sattv4u2
my #144 wasn;'t !?!?!?!
Whhaaa!!!
Sorry {satt} missed it. Went back a looked.
Good one.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Sun, Aug 9, 2009 4:19:04pm |
re: #164 RebelDebater
Linky?
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Randall Gross Sun, Aug 9, 2009 4:19:44pm |
One thing I do know - that guy who rushed the stage at the 20K Nazi rally in Madison Square Garden had courage that can't be described adequately.
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sattv4u2 Sun, Aug 9, 2009 4:20:05pm |
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MJ Sun, Aug 9, 2009 4:20:58pm |
re: #157 yochanan
skokie is just next door to the part of chicago i live in. just one of a number of subs. lincolnwood, skokie, evanston, chicago all come together and unless you have a map or live here you really don't know were one is vs. the others.
My parents moved to Skokie in 1947.
I was born in Skokie in 1951. I was there before Old Orchard was built, before Niles North, before Niles West. I well remember going to the circus in a marsh area which later became Niles North. In fact, Edens wasn't yet finished.
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yochanan Sun, Aug 9, 2009 4:21:03pm |
re: #167 Thanos
JEWISH MOBSTERS used to break up bund meetings back in nyc
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midwestgak Sun, Aug 9, 2009 4:22:06pm |
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NelsFree Sun, Aug 9, 2009 4:22:12pm |
Thank you all, fellow Lizards, for an enlightening exchange of ideas.
BBL
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Randall Gross Sun, Aug 9, 2009 4:22:23pm |
I was but wasn't surprised to learn that the Columbine massacre took place on Hitler's birthday, did that show up in Moore's documentary? (I refuse to pay money to see it.)
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midwestgak Sun, Aug 9, 2009 4:23:03pm |
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Sharmuta Sun, Aug 9, 2009 4:23:28pm |
re: #162 Thanos
Yeah, but it's a long history with lots of material as we all know. They are sticking to the mainline so they can fit it into two hours. I'm going to cut them some slack.
Indeed. The History Channel has, in the past, created films of this nature that can only be described as a mini-series. Their incredible film on the American Revolution, for example, was 10 hours. They could certainly cover more area, but given the time frame, they had to make choices. It shouldn't take away from the accuracy of the remaining information.
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sattv4u2 Sun, Aug 9, 2009 4:23:44pm |
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wee fury Sun, Aug 9, 2009 4:25:09pm |
re: #142 negativ
Perhaps you should take a break and watch some old Brady Bunch sitcoms.
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midwestgak Sun, Aug 9, 2009 4:25:13pm |
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Shiplord Kirel Sun, Aug 9, 2009 4:26:03pm |
"Dis is about the wight of evewy Amewican to pwactice fwee speech..."
If these inbred bastards represent a superior race, how come so many of them have trouble speaking clearly?
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MJ Sun, Aug 9, 2009 4:26:31pm |
re: #173 yochanan
i live in west rodgers park
I used to live there. Near Lunt and Western Ave near Indian Boundary Park.
How's things in Rodgers Park?
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midwestgak Sun, Aug 9, 2009 4:26:52pm |
| 184 |
Macker Sun, Aug 9, 2009 4:27:11pm |
re: #181 Shiplord Kirel
"Dis is about the wight of evewy Amewican to pwactice fwee speech..."
If these inbred bastards represent a superior race, how come so many of them have trouble speaking clearly?
You sure that isn't Pontius Pilate?
| 185 |
sattv4u2 Sun, Aug 9, 2009 4:27:33pm |
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yochanan Sun, Aug 9, 2009 4:27:38pm |
the grand mufti of Jerusalem was a Nazi and there are other direct connections between euro fascism and islmo fascism.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Sun, Aug 9, 2009 4:28:18pm |
Aw geez, why didn't I think to link this earlier.
| 189 |
Irenicum Sun, Aug 9, 2009 4:28:42pm |
Just watching this literally turns my stomach. It's good that we become more familiar with these assholes. But it still makes me sick.
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MJ Sun, Aug 9, 2009 4:30:10pm |
This show is crap. It makes it sound as if the JDL was the main organization opposed to Frank Collin. That's not true.
Where is mention of Mayor Al Smith?
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Sun, Aug 9, 2009 4:30:31pm |
re: #164 RebelDebater
they remind me of nancy and harry (our "leaders")...seeing as they're interested in eugenics and such things as well
Really, I'll ask again, got a linky?
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debutaunt Sun, Aug 9, 2009 4:30:52pm |
re: #19 Charles
Interesting that whenever there's a topic that mentions Nazis, Google Adsense serves up ads for anger management courses.
hahahahahahahahahahahhahaahhaaa
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Shiplord Kirel Sun, Aug 9, 2009 4:31:24pm |
I would swear that first monkey, the one in the black shirt, said "decoration" rather than "Declaration" of independence.
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midwestgak Sun, Aug 9, 2009 4:31:36pm |
re: #182 MJ
I used to live there. Near Lunt and Western Ave near Indian Boundary Park.
How's things in Rodgers Park?
MJ, didn't know you were at one time a local.
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jaunte Sun, Aug 9, 2009 4:32:07pm |
According to this, Nazi leader Frank Collin did only three years in prison for molesting two ten year old boys. A fine representative of the movement.
[Link: www.flavinscorner.com...]
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Shiplord Kirel Sun, Aug 9, 2009 4:34:01pm |
I hate Illinois Idaho Denver Lubbock all Nazis.
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3 wood Sun, Aug 9, 2009 4:37:41pm |
Good evening:
I just got back from a mini vacation and wanted to make a few comments on the unemployment rate.
Unemployment scales back in July; trucking loses 6,800 jobs
I'm sure that this was discussed Friday, But I had a few thoughts for those interested:
1. While the slowing rate of job destruction is a good thing, we are still losing a quarter of a million jobs jobs a month. The needs to turn around and become 150,000 to 200,000 jobs to the positive every month to stabilize the economy.
When the economy is healthy, employers need to add a net total of around 125,000 jobs a month just to keep the unemployment rate stable. And to push the jobless rate down to a more normal 5 percent range, it would take stronger job growth — of at least 200,000 jobs a month. Economists say it might take until 2013 to drive down the unemployment rate to 5 percent.
2. The unemployment rate dropped to 9.4% and the market jumped on that news. Understand though that the rate dropped cause a whole bunch of people left the labor pool. Hundreds of thousands of unemployed people gave up hope and stopped looking. Therefore, they don not count in the statistics. That is not a good thing. You will then see unemployment jump sometime down the road when the economy actually does improve and they start looking again.
The dip in the unemployment rate was the first since April 2008. One of the reasons the rate declined, though, was that hundreds of thousands of people left the labor force. The labor force includes only those who are either employed or are looking for work.
If laid-off workers who have given up looking for new jobs or have settled for part-time work are included the unemployment rate would have been 16.3 percent in July. That's down from 16.5 percent in June, which was the highest on records dating to 1994. All told, 14.5 million were out of work in July.
I still think we will see unemployment of 10% or better before this si all said an done.
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MJ Sun, Aug 9, 2009 4:37:43pm |
re: #195 midwestgak
MJ, didn't know you were at one time a local.
I still make a monthly run for skirt steaks and rye bread and bagels ( at Kaufman's ) since you can't really find decent ones in Wisconsin.
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yochanan Sun, Aug 9, 2009 4:38:05pm |
these scum bag fascists are only one problem at this point they are still a very minor one. the islmo fascists run a state and soon will have access to nukes with nukes the Iranians could have a second Holocaust.
hezballah, hamas and others are just the arab version of today's nazi.
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Shiplord Kirel Sun, Aug 9, 2009 4:38:16pm |
re: #200 Irenicum
They can all go to hell.
Many of them already have; Stalingrad, Falais Gap, the Nuremberg gallows...
Not enough though.
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Shiplord Kirel Sun, Aug 9, 2009 4:40:46pm |
re: #204 yochanan
these scum bag fascists are only one problem at this point they are still a very minor one. the islmo fascists run a state and soon will have access to nukes with nukes the Iranians could have a second Holocaust.
hezballah, hamas and others are just the arab version of today's nazi.
These idiots could well hook up with the Iranians eventually. With Iranian arms and money, and a wide open southern border to bring it in, they could do a lot of damage.
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MJ Sun, Aug 9, 2009 4:41:12pm |
re: #196 jaunte
According to this, Nazi leader Frank Collin did only three years in prison for molesting two ten year old boys. A fine representative of the movement.
[Link: www.flavinscorner.com...]
Right. Frank Collin is convicted pedophile.
He peddles himself as "neo-pagan" and is the author of such classics as
The Destruction of Atlantis: Compelling Evidence of the Sudden Fall of the Legendary Civilization and edits The Ancient American magazine, which promotes the theory of diffusion of peoples in and out of the Americas in prehistoric times. He goes by the name of Frank Joseph.
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Cato the Elder Sun, Aug 9, 2009 4:42:29pm |
re: #164 RebelDebater
they remind me of nancy and harry (our "leaders")...seeing as they're interested in eugenics and such things as well
You should be ashamed of yourself. Sententia illa stultior esse non potest. Your opinion is dumber than dirt.
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Pianobuff Sun, Aug 9, 2009 4:42:39pm |
re: #202 3 wood
Good evening:
I just got back from a mini vacation and wanted to make a few comments on the unemployment rate.
Unemployment scales back in July; trucking loses 6,800 jobs
I'm sure that this was discussed Friday, But I had a few thoughts for those interested:
1. While the slowing rate of job destruction is a good thing, we are still losing a quarter of a million jobs jobs a month. The needs to turn around and become 150,000 to 200,000 jobs to the positive every month to stabilize the economy.
I still think we will see unemployment of 10% or better before this si all said an done.
Thanks as always for your insights.
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midwestgak Sun, Aug 9, 2009 4:43:07pm |
re: #203 MJ
I still make a monthly run for skirt steaks and rye bread and bagels ( at Kaufman's ) since you can't really find decent ones in Wisconsin.
Skokie or Dempster Ave. in Chicago?
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Shiplord Kirel Sun, Aug 9, 2009 4:44:49pm |
re: #209 buzzsawmonkey
I'm saying that while it does contain some factual information, it actually is piss-poor as far as setting Nazi sympathies in America into any intelligent context is concerned--particularly as it pretends to do so, going back to the Depression era to provide "context" which entirely ignores the homegrown American fascist movement which was the context in which the Bund flourished.
As such, it provides "facts" in an extremely simpleminded noncontext, and, with sixteen minutes of this thing to go, I'd have to say that this piece does not live up to its billing as "secret history."
Yep, Father Coughlin, Charles Lindbergh, and a very large part of the isolationist/peace movement of the time.
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Syrah Sun, Aug 9, 2009 4:45:29pm |
re: #202 3 wood
Understand though that the rate dropped cause a whole bunch of people left the labor pool. Hundreds of thousands of unemployed people gave up hope and stopped looking. Therefore, they don not count in the statistics.
This is something that always bothered me. Perhaps you can help me understand.
How do these people leave the labor pool? When it is said that they have given up looking for work, how are they subsisting?
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right_on_target Sun, Aug 9, 2009 4:46:28pm |
re: #191 buzzsawmonkey
As I have observed above, the "accuracy" of the information it presents is pretty soft in spots, to put it kindly--and the tone of the documentary, when it talks sobbingly about the "hysteria" involved in confining a mere 10,000 German immigrants and German-Americans (compare that with the hundreds of thousands of Japanese and Nisei interned), is, quite frankly, pretty sickening.
+++++++++++++++++++++++++
10,000 is quite a lot. Actually, how does one identify a NAZI? Not by looks. How many here actually know any REAL NAZIs and can point out the difference between them and the rest of the crowd?
That's why there were 20 times more incarcerated Japanese and Nisei than Germans; easy to spot.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Sun, Aug 9, 2009 4:47:55pm |
Ouch. Oh, teh irony:
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DEZes Sun, Aug 9, 2009 4:48:13pm |
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sattv4u2 Sun, Aug 9, 2009 4:48:45pm |
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3 wood Sun, Aug 9, 2009 4:49:11pm |
U.S. Economy May Be on Brink of Recovery, Tyson, Krugman Say
Aug. 10 (Bloomberg) -- The U.S. economy may be on the cusp of a recovery and the impact of the nation’s stimulus plan should increase this quarter, said Laura Tyson, an adviser to President Barack Obama.
“We may have hit stability, we may be in the beginning of an upturn” based on the latest economic data, Tyson, a member of the White House’s Economic Recovery Advisory Board, said yesterday during an interview in Kuala Lumpur. Nobel Prize- winning economist Paul Krugman said the deepest slump since the Great Depression may be ending.
“It’s quite possible, though not certain, that retrospectively, we’ll say that the recession ended in July or August, maybe September,” Krugman said in a separate interview in the Malaysian capital. “My guess is that we’ve bottomed out now, that August was probably the trough month.”
Krugman, 56, cited last week’s government report showing that the pace of U.S. job losses slowed more than forecast in July and the unemployment rate dropped for the first time in 15 months. He also pointed to reports by the Institute of Supply Management that manufacturing, while still contracting, is on the mend.
Tyson, 62, cautioned that declining housing values and an overhang of unsold homes pose threats to a recovery, and it’s too early to say the jobs report is the beginning of a trend.
“We’ve had one number that’s been slightly stronger than expected,” she said. “It’s pretty hard to read a single month as creating a trend. Most of the forecasts are still that the unemployment rate rises through till the end of the year.”
Also, bear in kind:
1. Most recession last about 12 months. This one is now 20 months long. Eventually the down turn stops. Do not confuse stopping the down turn with growth. You want to see GDP growing over 2% a year and employment growing by about 150,000 jobs a month on average, 200,000 would be better.
2 Krugman had been forecasting a recession every year since 2000. Consider the source when you hear from him.
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brookly red Sun, Aug 9, 2009 4:49:56pm |
re: #215 Syrah
This is something that always bothered me. Perhaps you can help me understand.
How do these people leave the labor pool? When it is said that they have given up looking for work, how are they subsisting?
It can mean a lot of things, sometimes it means public assistance & some times people find work for cash & just drop off the grid.
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DEZes Sun, Aug 9, 2009 4:50:25pm |
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callahan23 Sun, Aug 9, 2009 4:51:02pm |
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Pianobuff Sun, Aug 9, 2009 4:51:48pm |
re: #221 3 wood
U.S. Economy May Be on Brink of Recovery, Tyson, Krugman Say
Also, bear in kind:
1. Most recession last about 12 months. This one is now 20 months long. Eventually the down turn stops. Do not confuse stopping the down turn with growth. You want to see GDP growing over 2% a year and employment growing by about 150,000 jobs a month on average, 200,000 would be better.
2 Krugman had been forecasting a recession every year since 2000. Consider the source when you hear from him.
Is Krugman pushing for a 2nd stimulus package? He was pretty outspoken that the 1st one was way too small and unambitious, IIRC.
OT: Drudge Teaser: Pelosi/Hoyer op-ed in Monday USATODAY calls townhall protesters 'un-American'... Developing...
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Syrah Sun, Aug 9, 2009 4:51:55pm |
re: #222 brookly red
It can mean a lot of things, sometimes it means public assistance & some times people find work for cash & just drop off the grid.
So we should be able to see a corresponding increase in public assistance payouts?
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DEZes Sun, Aug 9, 2009 4:52:07pm |
re: #225 callahan23
It's called Lizard LevitationLGF
Well now its following me around, its a bit unnerving.
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albusteve Sun, Aug 9, 2009 4:52:17pm |
NFL Hall of Fame Game
10 min
football is life!
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3 wood Sun, Aug 9, 2009 4:52:21pm |
re: #215 Syrah
How do these people leave the labor pool? When it is said that they have given up looking for work, how are they subsisting?
Living on savings, pensions, family, whatever they can find. You have to actively be looking for work to be counted as unemployed. When folks give up hope and stop looking, they are no longer counted and the unemployment rate, all other things held constant, drops.
The point is, just cause the unemployment rate dropped is not all that important. You have to know why it dropped. It did not drop cause a whole bunch of new jobs were created, it dropped cause a whole lot of unemployed people gave up hope and stopped looking.
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The Shadow Do Sun, Aug 9, 2009 4:52:48pm |
re: #202 3 wood
Good evening:
I just got back from a mini vacation and wanted to make a few comments on the unemployment rate.
Unemployment scales back in July; trucking loses 6,800 jobs
I'm sure that this was discussed Friday, But I had a few thoughts for those interested:
1. While the slowing rate of job destruction is a good thing, we are still losing a quarter of a million jobs jobs a month. The needs to turn around and become 150,000 to 200,000 jobs to the positive every month to stabilize the economy.
I still think we will see unemployment of 10% or better before this si all said an done.
Strictly anecdotal, but my very large company/employer which had intitially taken an aggressive continued growth position just did a 180 and is now in the process of closing a lot of marginal stores, some of which were opened only a year ago. This says to me that we are in for long term decline where treading water will suddenly look like up.
Jobs being lost now at the edges. I expect a bloodbath Jan 1 as the company sets sail on our new voyage to mediocrity.
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Sharmuta Sun, Aug 9, 2009 4:52:48pm |
re: #209 buzzsawmonkey
That may be fine and well for those of us who have studied further on this topic, but I doubt you and I or other Lizards were the typical viewer THC had in mind. You may find it lacking but for some- this may be their first encounter with the information presented. The curious will study more and learn for themselves. If this film made one person look deeper at American nazism, then I think it's a great film.
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sattv4u2 Sun, Aug 9, 2009 4:52:49pm |
re: #221 3 wood
Krugman salivated anytime a slightly negative economic report was released anytime between 2002-early 2008 of course blaming Bush (even though through most of that time the news was good to very good)
He'll do the same thing now with the slightest bit of good news crediting Obama instead of, as you stated, cyclical normalities
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pre-Boomer Marine brat Sun, Aug 9, 2009 4:53:24pm |
re: #229 DEZes
Well now its following me around, its a bit unnerving.
*whisper*
*whisper*
*whisper*
*whisper*
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brookly red Sun, Aug 9, 2009 4:53:46pm |
re: #228 Syrah
So we should be able to see a corresponding increase in public assistance payouts?
Yes and no, if the person remains in the same state then yes.
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reine.de.tout Sun, Aug 9, 2009 4:53:55pm |
re: #215 Syrah
This is something that always bothered me. Perhaps you can help me understand.
How do these people leave the labor pool? When it is said that they have given up looking for work, how are they subsisting?
From the Bureau of Labor Statistics FAQ, so I'm sure this is a simplified answer:
Unemployed persons. All persons who had no employment during the reference week, were available for work (except for temporary illness), and had made specific efforts to find employment some time during the 4 week-period ending with the reference week. Persons who were waiting to be recalled to a job from which they had been laid off need not have been looking for work to be classified as unemployed.
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callahan23 Sun, Aug 9, 2009 4:54:07pm |
re: #229 DEZes
Well now its following me around, its a bit unnerving.
Lizard Levitation LGF Version 19.84
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DEZes Sun, Aug 9, 2009 4:54:50pm |
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calcajun Sun, Aug 9, 2009 4:55:23pm |
re: #137 NelsFree
Righty tighty, lefty loosey.
/screw that!
You're in a state of flux-- but I wouldn't sweat it.
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pre-Boomer Marine brat Sun, Aug 9, 2009 4:55:24pm |
Charles, I just noticed the addition of (#) on the new comments button.
That is DAMNED NEAT!
Thank you!
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Scion9 Sun, Aug 9, 2009 4:55:48pm |
re: #227 Pianobuff
OT: Drudge Teaser: Pelosi/Hoyer op-ed in Monday USATODAY calls townhall protesters 'un-American'... Developing...
American Marines are also Nazis, but don't question Congressional Democrats patriotism.
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sattv4u2 Sun, Aug 9, 2009 4:55:48pm |
re: #230 albusteve
NFL Hall of Fame Game
10 min
football is life!
Red Sox/ Yankees on ESPN
NFL on NBC
What to do ,, what to do
OH ,, WAIT ,,, I'm at work,, I have access to, oh 700-800 channels at any one time!!
Nevahmind!
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MJ Sun, Aug 9, 2009 4:56:00pm |
re: #233 Sharmuta
That may be fine and well for those of us who have studied further on this topic, but I doubt you and I or other Lizards were the typical viewer THC had in mind. You may find it lacking but for some- this may be their first encounter with the information presented. The curious will study more and learn for themselves. If this film made one person look deeper at American nazism, then I think it's a great film.
The problem isn't just the woeful lack of information but the implication that the US Government acted no different then the fascists they were opposed to.
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calcajun Sun, Aug 9, 2009 4:56:26pm |
re: #230 albusteve
NFL Hall of Fame Game
10 min
football is life!
Yeasss! It's only preseason, but it's FOOTBALL!
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pre-Boomer Marine brat Sun, Aug 9, 2009 4:56:27pm |
re: #239 DEZes
Shhh. its only a lil test.
( I was trying to appear like something following you around ... :D )
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albusteve Sun, Aug 9, 2009 4:56:53pm |
re: #244 sattv4u2
Red Sox/ Yankees on ESPN
NFL on NBC
What to do ,, what to do
OH ,, WAIT ,,, I'm at work,, I have access to, oh 700-800 channels at any one time!!
Nevahmind!
NFL rools...I only have one brain, I have to use it wisely
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calcajun Sun, Aug 9, 2009 4:57:34pm |
re: #244 sattv4u2
I hate you and everyone that looks like you!///
I am at work--and no TV so to speak.
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DEZes Sun, Aug 9, 2009 4:57:35pm |
re: #247 pre-Boomer Marine brat
( I was trying to appear like something following you around ... :D )
You were whispering in my ear.
I kinda liked it...
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sattv4u2 Sun, Aug 9, 2009 4:57:36pm |
re: #248 albusteve
NFL rools...I only have one brain, I have to use it wisely
I too have only one brain, buit fortunately I have about 170 monitors in this room!
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realwest Sun, Aug 9, 2009 4:57:40pm |
re: #231 3 wood Hi 3 wood! This is a drive by post as dinner is ready, but I thought people only got x amount of weeks on unemployment insurance, and when that ran out, they were no longer counted as unemployed - that was certainly true in NYS in 2000, 2001.
Also, do you know of any way to calculate the number of underemployed - folks who were making say $75k a year and have taken jobs that pay $50 k a year for example?
I'll check back later for your answer!!
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callahan23 Sun, Aug 9, 2009 4:57:54pm |
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albusteve Sun, Aug 9, 2009 4:57:55pm |
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pre-Boomer Marine brat Sun, Aug 9, 2009 4:58:08pm |
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DEZes Sun, Aug 9, 2009 4:58:11pm |
re: #251 sattv4u2
I too have only one brain, buit fortunately I have about 170 monitors in this room!
And you call it work...
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sattv4u2 Sun, Aug 9, 2009 4:58:17pm |
re: #249 calcajun
I hate you and everyone that looks like you!///
I am at work--and no TV so to speak.
Trust me, if anyone looks like me, they hate it too!
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Sun, Aug 9, 2009 4:58:47pm |
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DEZes Sun, Aug 9, 2009 4:58:53pm |
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right_on_target Sun, Aug 9, 2009 4:59:48pm |
re: #223 buzzsawmonkey
The documentary describes the intense prior surveillance that actual Nazis were under. Ten thousand German/German-American internees is minuscule in light of the huge German/German-American population of the United States during WWII; it is certainly minuscule compared to the virtually total internment of the much smaller, though more visible, Japanese/Japanese-American population.
Which is not to argue in any way in favor of internment. What I object to is the weepy tone of the documentary on behalf of the internees, bemoaning the "hysteria" which prompted it. "Hysteria?" No.
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
My aunt was one of those under "surveillance" during WWII. She wasn't a spy but my great-uncle had to vouch for her a few times. If you got into trouble with the law during WWII and were originally German you were put on a list.
She gave my great-uncle hell.
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sattv4u2 Sun, Aug 9, 2009 4:59:56pm |
re: #256 DEZes
And you call it work...
hey ,,, I can't have a BEER while I'm here
Oh the hardships I have to endure !
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3 wood Sun, Aug 9, 2009 5:00:08pm |
Got to run. Later.
For those who jumped into the market on friday on the unemployment news, thanks for the profits and paying for my youngest daughters first year of college.
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pre-Boomer Marine brat Sun, Aug 9, 2009 5:00:14pm |
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Syrah Sun, Aug 9, 2009 5:00:16pm |
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esch Sun, Aug 9, 2009 5:00:21pm |
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DEZes Sun, Aug 9, 2009 5:01:14pm |
re: #261 sattv4u2
hey ,,, I can't have a BEER while I'm here
Oh the hardships I have to endure !
Slides a beer over.
;)
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huckfunn Sun, Aug 9, 2009 5:01:37pm |
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Scion9 Sun, Aug 9, 2009 5:01:45pm |
re: #245 MJ
As well as the notion that Nazism was exported from Germany to This Island America. In many ways the Neo-Nazis only appropriated the symbols of continental European fascists, the ideology was already here. That is even more true today now that the KKK is basically decapitated as a relevant/popular movement in the white supremacist community.
That entirely homegrown racist movement is almost entirely integrated into a much more homogeneous white supremacist movement that is still seen and presented as being distinctly Nazi in origin, which is a half truth at best. Ignoring the actual homegrown roots is what lets people like Pat Buchanan and Lew Rockwell walk practically unscathed; because they don't fit the model of what people think of when they think of white power groups. Those men fit the model of a Charles Lindbergh pretty well though.
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sattv4u2 Sun, Aug 9, 2009 5:05:01pm |
re: #233 Sharmuta
That may be fine and well for those of us who have studied further on this topic, but I doubt you and I or other Lizards were the typical viewer THC had in mind. You may find it lacking but for some- this may be their first encounter with the information presented. The curious will study more and learn for themselves. If this film made one person look deeper at American nazism, then I think it's a great film.
All the more reason why it should be well researched and factually accurate
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MJ Sun, Aug 9, 2009 5:06:25pm |
re: #268 Scion9
As well as the notion that Nazism was exported from Germany to This Island America. In many ways the Neo-Nazis only appropriated the symbols of continental European fascists, the ideology was already here. That is even more true today now that the KKK is basically decapitated as a relevant/popular movement in the white supremacist community.
That entirely homegrown racist movement is almost entirely integrated into a much more homogeneous white supremacist movement that is still seen and presented as being distinctly Nazi in origin, which is a half truth at best. Ignoring the actual homegrown roots is what lets people like Pat Buchanan and Lew Rockwell walk practically unscathed; because they don't fit the model of what people think of when they think of white power groups. Those men fit the model of a Charles Lindbergh pretty well though.
Lindbergh wasn't even mentioned in this documentary. Neither was Father Coughlin and the Christan Front. Buzz mentioned that Gerald L. K. Smith wasn't mentioned either.
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sattv4u2 Sun, Aug 9, 2009 5:06:49pm |
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avanti Sun, Aug 9, 2009 5:06:49pm |
re: #262 3 wood
Got to run. Later.
For those who jumped into the market on friday on the unemployment news, thanks for the profits and paying for my youngest daughters first year of college.
I got in when it was in the high 6000's,7000's but I feel a little guilty for making more money in the market then when I had a store with 7 employees. In fact, I've done better on ebay by myself than when I was a brick and mortar business owner that got creamed by the big box stores. BTW I have no idea where to buy "real" stereo and home theater equipment in my area, no high ends stores survived.
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yochanan Sun, Aug 9, 2009 5:08:05pm |
Father Coughlin and the Christan Front. and his silver shirts were a mass movement interesting that this isn't mentioned as well as current fascist connections to islamists.
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DEZes Sun, Aug 9, 2009 5:09:26pm |
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MJ Sun, Aug 9, 2009 5:10:02pm |
re: #274 buzzsawmonkey
I will tell you that my grandparents, who had leftwing sympathies, were afraid to throw out a number of magazines (which I later found in their effects after my grandfather died) during WWII for fear that the FBI would find them while going through their garbage, and my father would thereby lose his security clearance and, thus, his job with the Project.
Everybody was under surveillance during the height of WWII, and if there were a few errors on the side of caution regarding the possibility of Nazi sympathies, I am not shedding a hell of a lot of tears.
The program makes it appear that Martin Dies was an extreme anti-Nazi. Martin Dies! Can you imagine that!
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pre-Boomer Marine brat Sun, Aug 9, 2009 5:11:02pm |
re: #275 yochanan
current fascist connections to islamists.
hmmm, why does the word "Iran" come to mind? ... I wonder ...
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Shiplord Kirel Sun, Aug 9, 2009 5:18:00pm |
Whatever his faults, J. Edgar Hoover's FBI did a fantastic job of preventing and stamping out subversion and sabotage during the war. The Nazis had a terrible time recruiting spies in this country, as did the other Axis powers.
An example:
Right after the Battle of Midway, isolationist traitors at the Chicago Tribune published what was arguably the biggest secret of the war, the breaking of the Japanese code that had set up the battle. President Roosevelt decided to ignore it, at least publicly, on the chance that enemy spies had missed it. On the basis of what he knew about Hoover's efforts, he reasoned that the enemy might miss the initial story but would certainly notice the blaze of publicity that would result from prosecuting the publishers. Sure enough, no Axis intelligence agency is known to have picked up an item that was published in one of the largest papers in the country.
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MJ Sun, Aug 9, 2009 5:18:07pm |
For those who may want to read some books on this period which are a hell of a lot better than this documentary, allow me to recommend the following:
Henry Ford and the Jews by Albert Lee
Voices of Protest: Huey Long, Father Coughlin and the Great depression by Alan Brinkley
Demagogues in the Depression by David Bennett
The Nazi Movement in the United States 1924-1941 by Sander A. Diamond
Gerald L. K. Smith Minister of Hate by Glen Jeansonne
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pre-Boomer Marine brat Sun, Aug 9, 2009 5:18:32pm |
Did I miss the word that everyone was going out for a beer?
/the top thread seemed to have died for several minutes
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brookly red Sun, Aug 9, 2009 5:18:36pm |
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sattv4u2 Sun, Aug 9, 2009 5:18:36pm |
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JacksonTn Sun, Aug 9, 2009 5:19:10pm |
Sunday evening music ...
I'm Just Your Fool ... angela strehli ... one of my favorite girls ...
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DEZes Sun, Aug 9, 2009 5:19:57pm |
re: #287 sattv4u2
weird ,,, 6 + minutes with NO posts
I pass out a few beers, and everyone passes out.
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calcajun Sun, Aug 9, 2009 5:20:10pm |
re: #262 3 wood
Got to run. Later.
For those who jumped into the market on friday on the unemployment news, thanks for the profits and paying for my youngest daughters first year of college.
We talking ivy league or the local JC?
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debutaunt Sun, Aug 9, 2009 5:20:17pm |
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quiet man Sun, Aug 9, 2009 5:20:24pm |
I just watered the astroturf...Did everyone bring their swastikas??
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pre-Boomer Marine brat Sun, Aug 9, 2009 5:20:45pm |
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sattv4u2 Sun, Aug 9, 2009 5:21:04pm |
re: #291 debutaunt
We all took the test. Where were you?
Where I always was for tests
in the pool hall and/ or cafeteria!
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callahan23 Sun, Aug 9, 2009 5:21:17pm |
re: #281 sattv4u2
where'd everyody go !?!?!?
'twas an eerie feelin'
All that time without the Lizard chatter.
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DEZes Sun, Aug 9, 2009 5:22:48pm |
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jaunte Sun, Aug 9, 2009 5:22:57pm |
re: #292 quiet man
It's raining here, but I 'watered' the swastika.
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quickjustice Sun, Aug 9, 2009 5:23:35pm |
Here in NYC, the German-American Bund used to meet regularly at the Jager House restaurant in the Yorkville section of Manhattan (East 80s): [Link: en.wikipedia.org...]
"One of its early initiatives was to counter, with propaganda, a Jewish boycott of businesses in the heavily German neighborhood of Yorkville, Manhattan. Simultaneously, an internal battle was fought for control of the Friends [of New Germany] in 1934; Sponknobel was ultimately ousted from leadership. At the same time, the Dickstein investigation concluded that the Friends supported a branch of German dictator Adolf Hitler's Nazi Party in America.
On March 19, 1936, Hitler placed an American citizen, Fritz Julius Kuhn, as the head of the party,[citation needed] hoping to gain some degree of American favor. The group's name was then changed to the German American Bund. At this time, the Bund established two training camps, Camp Nordland in Sussex County, New Jersey and Camp Siegfried in Yaphank, New York.
Arguably, the zenith of the Bund's history occurred on President's Day, February 19, 1939 at Madison Square Garden in New York City. Some 20,000 people attended and heard Kuhn criticize President Franklin D. Roosevelt by repeatedly referring to him as “Frank D. Rosenfeld”, calling his New Deal the "Jew Deal", and stating his belief of Bolshevik-Jewish American leadership. Most shocking to American sensibilities was the outbreak of violence between protesters and Bund storm troopers.
The Bund was one of several German-American heritage groups; however, it was one of the few to express National Socialist ideals."
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pre-Boomer Marine brat Sun, Aug 9, 2009 5:24:16pm |
re: #287 sattv4u2
weird ,,, 6 + minutes with NO posts
And did you notice that it happened on a thread about NAZIs?!
/uh oh ... maybe Charles has been ... *gasp* ... hiding something from us
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callahan23 Sun, Aug 9, 2009 5:24:45pm |
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Sharmuta Sun, Aug 9, 2009 5:25:12pm |
re: #269 buzzsawmonkey
I'm simply stunned it didn't address the root of it all- Darwinism!
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Randall Gross Sun, Aug 9, 2009 5:25:35pm |
Yoch and Buzz:
I agree with Sharmuta, this video will shock some who might have been born in the 80's to do some more looking. I think both of you have a lot of valuable knowledge about the connections and depths of the movement. I was thinking it might be a good idea to compile some of that. It's not that hard to put together a "powerpoint" youtube narrated vid, & you also have a great way with words. I would be interested if you did something on this together. Think on it.
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DEZes Sun, Aug 9, 2009 5:26:14pm |
re: #301 callahan23
I do hope that no Lizards were being hurt in the process of making that 'sexploitative' photo. ;-)
Just their pride, rejection sucks. ;)
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Sharmuta Sun, Aug 9, 2009 5:26:30pm |
re: #303 Thanos
Yoch and Buzz:
I agree with Sharmuta, this video will shock some who might have been born in the 80's to do some more looking. I think both of you have a lot of valuable knowledge about the connections and depths of the movement. I was thinking it might be a good idea to compile some of that. It's not that hard to put together a "powerpoint" youtube narrated vid, & you also have a great way with words. I would be interested if you did something on this together. Think on it.
That's a wonderful idea.
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avanti Sun, Aug 9, 2009 5:26:57pm |
Some of the Lizards were talking about the upside of global warming today and 86 degrees in the arctic that allowed the Eskimo's to go swimming could be one.
"In late July the mercury soared to almost 86 degrees Fahrenheit (30 degrees Celsius) in this settlement of 900 Inuvialuit, the name for western Arctic Eskimos.
"The water was really warm," Gruben said. "The kids were swimming in the ocean."
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MJ Sun, Aug 9, 2009 5:27:47pm |
re: #284 MJ
For those who may want to read some books on this period which are a hell of a lot better than this documentary, allow me to recommend the following:
Henry Ford and the Jews by Albert Lee
Voices of Protest: Huey Long, Father Coughlin and the Great depression by Alan Brinkley
Demagogues in the Depression by David Bennett
The Nazi Movement in the United States 1924-1941 by Sander A. Diamond
Gerald L. K. Smith Minister of Hate by Glen Jeansonne
A few others ( had to go into the back-room to get them)
Father Coughlin The Tumultuous Life of the Priest of the Little Flower by Sheldon Marcus
To Save a Nation by Geoffry S. Smith
Charles A. Lindbergh and the Battle Against American Intervention in World War II by Wayne S. Cole
( Don't by the newer Berg book. It's written by an apologist for Lindbergh's antisemitism)
Prophets of Deceit by Leo Lowenthal and Norbert Guterman
also,
Under Cover by John Roy Carlson who infiltrated a number of these hate groups.
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pre-Boomer Marine brat Sun, Aug 9, 2009 5:28:49pm |
re: #307 buzzsawmonkey
Well, maybe their documentary strategy can...evolve.
I wanna ask Sharm to provide the missing link for that post of hers.
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Sharmuta Sun, Aug 9, 2009 5:29:43pm |
re: #307 buzzsawmonkey
Well, maybe their documentary strategy can...evolve.
I think it's irreducibly complex and therefore in need of intelligent design.
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Randall Gross Sun, Aug 9, 2009 5:30:44pm |
re: #309 buzzsawmonkey
Another way to expend some nonexistent free time--but a suggestion sufficiently flattering to be worth considering.
Yes, I understand being in the same boat. My blog posting lately has been non existent.
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pre-Boomer Marine brat Sun, Aug 9, 2009 5:31:04pm |
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sattv4u2 Sun, Aug 9, 2009 5:31:31pm |
re: #227 Pianobuff
OT: Drudge Teaser: Pelosi/Hoyer op-ed in Monday USATODAY calls townhall protesters 'un-American'... Developing...
Well,, they say To The Victor Goes The Spoils
Pelosi et al won in November. Now they're acting spoiled!
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quickjustice Sun, Aug 9, 2009 5:31:52pm |
I ate at the Jager House back in the early 1980s. Lots of dark wood, steins on display, and large stuffed stag's heads, horns and all.
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pre-Boomer Marine brat Sun, Aug 9, 2009 5:33:12pm |
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quickjustice Sun, Aug 9, 2009 5:33:24pm |
Coming in from the rain, he changed from his galoshes into his galapagos!
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Randall Gross Sun, Aug 9, 2009 5:35:17pm |
Nancy is putting on a gala, she's inviting the blue dogs to the gala pay-gos.
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brookly red Sun, Aug 9, 2009 5:35:53pm |
re: #323 buzzsawmonkey
...not really up to par, I'd say, simply because it does not directly relate to the Galapagos. But the best I can come up with quickly.
I thought it was good... the best I had was, the horse is tired-she no galapagos.
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pre-Boomer Marine brat Sun, Aug 9, 2009 5:35:55pm |
I'd like to work in something about "galloping egos", but the meter just doesn't work with that dammed "ing" in there.
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DEZes Sun, Aug 9, 2009 5:36:39pm |
re: #315 pre-Boomer Marine brat
A six-pack to anyone who comes up with a first rate pun using Galapagos
When a horse is in full Galapagos faster than at a trot.
I hate to even post that. ;)
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pre-Boomer Marine brat Sun, Aug 9, 2009 5:37:10pm |
re: #323 buzzsawmonkey
...not really up to par, I'd say, simply because it does not directly relate to the Galapagos. But the best I can come up with quickly.
Don't worry, Buzz.
At least you didn't turn turtle on us.
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Jimmah Sun, Aug 9, 2009 5:38:05pm |
re: #132 Slumbering Behemoth
I wish I still had a copy of "Return to Castle Wolfenstein". I have an overwhelming urge to jump into Blazkowicz's boots and do some serious damage.
There's a new Wolfenstein game coming out in a week or two.
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pre-Boomer Marine brat Sun, Aug 9, 2009 5:38:05pm |
re: #330 DEZes
When a horse is in full Galapagos faster than at a trot.
I hate to even post that. ;)
AND WE HAVE A WINNER !
*BARF*
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esch Sun, Aug 9, 2009 5:38:31pm |
re: #315 pre-Boomer Marine brat
A six-pack to anyone who comes up with a first rate pun using Galapagos
How did Venkman reply in an interview why the Ghostbusters were so popular in the press lately?
"Well, we had our main competitor 'Collapse-A-Ghost', tort us"
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quiet man Sun, Aug 9, 2009 5:38:45pm |
Turtle jokes??
I wouldnt try to terrapin that on anyone
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DEZes Sun, Aug 9, 2009 5:39:03pm |
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DEZes Sun, Aug 9, 2009 5:39:33pm |
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sattv4u2 Sun, Aug 9, 2009 5:40:08pm |
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quiet man Sun, Aug 9, 2009 5:40:14pm |
re: #339 DEZes
Just try to keep up the carapace...things go fast around here
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DEZes Sun, Aug 9, 2009 5:41:30pm |
re: #341 quiet man
Just try to keep up the carapace...things go fast around here
sometimes a hare to fast.
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pre-Boomer Marine brat Sun, Aug 9, 2009 5:42:10pm |
re: #338 DEZes
Most worthy of a barf.
heh, it was pretty bad, but the elements of that type of pun were all there -- in sequence, without having to ignore any extraneous phonemena
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DEZes Sun, Aug 9, 2009 5:45:32pm |
re: #343 pre-Boomer Marine brat
heh, it was pretty bad, but the elements of that type of pun were all there -- in sequence, without having to ignore any extraneous phonemena
A sound theory.
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pre-Boomer Marine brat Sun, Aug 9, 2009 5:47:00pm |
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pre-Boomer Marine brat Sun, Aug 9, 2009 5:47:51pm |
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DEZes Sun, Aug 9, 2009 5:47:56pm |
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DEZes Sun, Aug 9, 2009 5:48:23pm |
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pre-Boomer Marine brat Sun, Aug 9, 2009 5:57:39pm |
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Sun, Aug 9, 2009 6:01:25pm |
re: #146 yochanan
i got arrested fighting those nazi's my wife had to come bail me out of jail and she was 10.5 months preg. with twins. lets just say she wasn't all that pleased.
well when my case went to trial it seems my lawyer, the judge and states att. all went to the same shul and they were haveing an interesting conv. in yiddish about me. lets just say i got off.
When was this? And well... sometimes a brother can get a break. I do hope you made them suffer.
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John Neverbend Sun, Aug 9, 2009 6:02:23pm |
re: #31 Erik The Red
I wonder if any of these arseholes forefathers fought against the NAZI'S in WW2. Would be ironic.
That's exactly what happened. In the video, Rockwell expressed his regret at having fought Nazi Germany, after he found out that Hitler "was a Christian."
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Sun, Aug 9, 2009 6:04:52pm |
re: #163 Sharmuta
Again from the archives:
British Fascists and 'Christian' Racism
Since these fascists think they're good Christians, I felt this old thread fit.
And to think that they believe that G-d is a Jew... I wonder how they reconcile that...
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EaterOfFood Sun, Aug 9, 2009 6:08:57pm |
The one tragedy never touched on in many of these documentaries is how Nazism became a boon to the intellectually lazy. "Nazi" is the stock insult for any disagreeable political doctrine, regardless of actual similarities to Hitler's beliefs.
And if you don't agree with that, you're a fascist.
/sarc
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EaterOfFood Sun, Aug 9, 2009 6:09:56pm |
re: #164 RebelDebater
they remind me of nancy and harry (our "leaders")...seeing as they're interested in eugenics and such things as well
I'll supply the rope. You supply the piss. Gravity will supply the "up". Add them together.
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Shiplord Kirel Sun, Aug 9, 2009 6:13:08pm |
Note: This doc was made several years ago, around 2000. William Pierce died in 2002, while"pastor" Richard Butler joined him in hell in 2004.
Appallingly (to me at least) both Butler and Pierce were aerospace engineers by training.
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MJ Sun, Aug 9, 2009 6:18:09pm |
re: #352 LudwigVanQuixote
Ludwig, not related to this topic but to one we were having a few days earlier:
[Link: www.nytimes.com...]
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RebelDebater Sun, Aug 9, 2009 6:18:33pm |
So I watch this and I think...well what now? What are we supposed to do to fight against these ideals in America? Is there an organization that you would recommend that isn't dominated by left wing nuts?
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Eclectic Infidel Sun, Aug 9, 2009 6:30:27pm |
re: #360 RebelDebater
So I watch this and I think...well what now? What are we supposed to do to fight against these ideals in America? Is there an organization that you would recommend that isn't dominated by left wing nuts?
With respect to standing up to anti-semitism, you could always join the organization Stand With Us, a pro-Israel organization. Become a member of a local chapter or form one yourself and stand up to anti-semitism where it rears its ugly head. One need not be crazy and wild-eyed to become an activist.
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David Simon Sun, Aug 9, 2009 6:31:13pm |
Interesting to note, FDR was able to execute Nazi saboteurs. But alas, that was before Hamdan (which was different than Johnson v. Eisentrager...how, Justice Kennedy?).
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RebelDebater Sun, Aug 9, 2009 6:35:27pm |
re: #361 eclectic infidel
That sounds good. But what about fighting fascism as a whole?
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Dr. Shalit Sun, Aug 9, 2009 7:04:16pm |
re: #362 David Simon
Interesting to note, FDR was able to execute Nazi saboteurs. But alas, that was before Hamdan (which was different than Johnson v. Eisentrager...how, Justice Kennedy?).
David Simon -
Difference IS - the sitting President was George W. Bush, an "R" if I recall. My real opinion of what should have been the treatment of "detainees" is almost unprintable and might get me banned.To make a long story short - no GERMAN Commander was ever tried for "War Crimes" for actions taken against members of the Resistance in Western Europe. Those actions were considered to be within the "Laws of War" as understood at the time.
Abraham Lincoln, the Great Emancipator, suspended the "Great Writ" of Habeus Corpus during the American (1860's) Civil War. Allowed the Hanging of about 50 Native Americans in Minnesota, on ONE DAY, as well to prove a POINT. Point being - No Rebellion against the US Federal Government will be tolerated. Lincoln, perhaps the Great Usurper of Civil Liberties, was only corrected - POST MORTEM - in the case of ex Parte McCardle - which same decision was more procedural than anything else.
Had that decision been taken DURING the War, I am sure Pres. Lincoln would have had the Justices - so ruling - arrested and removed.
Point of this whole diatribe is that GWB, as FDR, as Abraham Lincoln DID NOT believe that the US Constitution constituted a SUICIDE PACT.
That is All.
-S-
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Green Helmet Guy Sun, Aug 9, 2009 11:33:25pm |
That "white power" chicken dance @ ~5:53 was just plain scary.
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BlackFedora Mon, Aug 10, 2009 12:59:16am |
I've seen this many times. Its still relevant even though many of the people shown in that documentary are now dead like Richard Butler and William Luther Pierce but unfortunately their cancerous ideology continues to rot the brains and hearts of many and too frequently hitches its rickety wagon to right wingers who shut their eyes and plug their ears to their fellow travelers.
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BlackFedora Mon, Aug 10, 2009 1:03:10am |
What's sad is you hear that guy with the speech impediment a little more than 4 minutes in talking about his "fwee speech whights" but if those jack booted bully boys ever came to power they'd probably purge him as an undesirable because of his speech impediment...
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Green Helmet Guy Mon, Aug 10, 2009 2:26:20am |
According to Wikipedia-
Neo Nazi Frank Collin: Religion Jewish ancestry
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Green Helmet Guy Mon, Aug 10, 2009 6:39:18am |
re: #31 Erik The Red
I wonder if any of these arseholes forefathers fought against the NAZI'S in WW2. Would be ironic.
according to wiki:
was a Navy Reserve Commander (Naval Aviator) and founder of the American Nazi Party.
and in the documentary it says that he had cognitive dissonance because he had killed Nazis in WWII.
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Age Of Freedom Mon, Aug 10, 2009 11:55:18am |
Disturbing and deeply sickening. The ultimate evil.
It's interesting to see the initial faults by the the American host society such as welcoming, in the name of freedom of speech, sympathizers and german nazis - allowing their growth and strengthening in the U.S., or guarding the Bund's manhattan's convention right to speak freely, which lead the national newspaper magazines to parrot and publish their poison to be read all over by millions upon millions.
Just like today, when western newspapers allow op-eds of Hamas / PLO terrorists to take stage.
Why has LGF almost entirely left the focus off of Islamism / Jihad since last November? They are currently the operative threat to the world by a great margin (and I repeat NOT the only big threat of course!).
LGF was an incredibly staunch anti-left blog with daily posts of Memri TV material, with tons of work from Zombie, further exposing and analyzing Islamonazism, their western useful idiot consorts (that are in abundance) and anything that showed the true evasive face of CAIR, and their parallel terrorists sympathetic Islamic organizations.
This video is extremely alarming and is always "great" to see how truly bad things really were and are (even in the U.S.), but man, Charles -- you are an incredibly inspiring level headed guy -- why isn't LGF on the same very-determined course of exposing Islamism / liberal-PC agenda anymore? Is it gone? Are you that certain that showing that the republican party's split to the far right is enough to dump everything you've been hard at work at, and immediately claw onto anything that passes an inch over 'median' right?
Thanks for the video, nonetheless.
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Age Of Freedom Mon, Aug 10, 2009 1:05:25pm |
re: #92 MJ
That Nazi - Frank Collin-a convicted pedophile whose father was Jewish, is still around:
[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]
Looks like Jews shape up history in many ways!
When sons of Jews run Nazi parties, you know we control everything. :-)
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