It’s one of those days when the weirdness piles up and all you can do is work that shovel.
I feel strangely honored to find a link to Little Green Footballs at the bottom of the website for the Weekly World News, home of the world famous Bat Boy franchise. (Also honored: Hot Air.)
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pre-Boomer Marine brat Sun, Aug 9, 2009 6:30:20pm |
Don't know that web site (Thank G*d), but I get the idea.
Could it be sarc on their part?
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itellu3times Sun, Aug 9, 2009 6:32:06pm |
Wot? Where? Why?
[Link: weeklyworldnews.com...]
not there ...
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itellu3times Sun, Aug 9, 2009 6:32:33pm |
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Digital Display Sun, Aug 9, 2009 6:32:54pm |
I can't believe I am watching pre season football...
Help me lord...There should be a law..
/Hiya Lizards!
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MandyManners Sun, Aug 9, 2009 6:33:37pm |
'SPACE ALIEN PET FOUND'
They've been visiting with Kucinich again?
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DEZes Sun, Aug 9, 2009 6:34:13pm |
re: #7 MandyManners
'SPACE ALIEN PET FOUND'
They've been visiting with Kucinich again?
I leave the door open just one time...
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itellu3times Sun, Aug 9, 2009 6:34:14pm |
oh there it is, under links:
Bored At Work
COED Magazine
College Humor
DBB Sports
Deadspin
Fark
Five Feet of Fury
Freaking News
Hot Air
Little Green Footballs
National Lampoon
NobleWorks
Perez Hilton
Pink is the New Blog
Politics-360
Pop Culture Madness
The Onion
Tropic Thunder
Weird New Jersey
WordPress.com
WordPress.org
I dunno, bat boy made them do it.
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CyanSnowHawk Sun, Aug 9, 2009 6:34:27pm |
re: #5 HoosierHoops
I can't believe I am watching pre season football...
Help me lord...There should be a law..
/Hiya Lizards!
It's the most wonderful time of the year.
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livefreeor die Sun, Aug 9, 2009 6:34:50pm |
re: #5 HoosierHoops
I can't believe I am watching pre season football...
Help me lord...There should be a law..
/Hiya Lizards!
I know how you feel. I was watching a rerun (shortened) of the Buffalo-Tennessee playoff game from 2000. I don't cheer for either team!
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Crimsonfisted Sun, Aug 9, 2009 6:36:49pm |
Terror of the Hag looks like the Swedish girl ad from the previous thread.
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sattv4u2 Sun, Aug 9, 2009 6:38:43pm |
CHARLES
I feel strangely honored to find a link to Little Green Footballs at the bottom of the website
It;s because LGF are "home" of the Zombie and DEZ (a known alien)
Those are topics right up their alley!
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sattv4u2 Sun, Aug 9, 2009 6:39:17pm |
re: #5 HoosierHoops
I can't believe I am watching pre season football...
Help me lord...There should be a law..
/Hiya Lizards!
Red Sox/ Yankees on ESPN
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karmic_inquisitor Sun, Aug 9, 2009 6:39:40pm |
Congrats, Charles.
The internet is now complete.
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soxfan4life Sun, Aug 9, 2009 6:39:50pm |
re: #16 sattv4u2
CHARLES
I feel strangely honored to find a link to Little Green Footballs at the bottom of the websiteIt;s because LGF are "home" of the Zombie and DEZ (a known alien)
Those are topics right up their alley!
Don't forget spacejesus, he must fit into one of their favorite categories.
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Digital Display Sun, Aug 9, 2009 6:40:30pm |
re: #11 livefreeor die
I know how you feel. I was watching a rerun (shortened) of the Buffalo-Tennessee playoff game from 2000. I don't cheer for either team!
John Madden has 5 grandkids...What a wonderful man...Nice time to retire..
We will never hear John call another game in our lives...
There always be a special time when he cried out Boom! Bam! I will never forget...
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JammieWearingFool Sun, Aug 9, 2009 6:40:41pm |
Don't feel bad. I've got traffic from those weirdos at Media Matters the last couple of days.
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Erik The Red Sun, Aug 9, 2009 6:40:43pm |
re: #5 HoosierHoops
I can't believe I am watching pre season football...
Help me lord...There should be a law..
/Hiya Lizards!
I am looking forward to my first full season of NFL in over 23 years. :)
I need some help here Lizards. Who to support? I have no real allegiance, so you all convince me on which team I should shout for.
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DEZes Sun, Aug 9, 2009 6:41:11pm |
re: #16 sattv4u2
CHARLES
I feel strangely honored to find a link to Little Green Footballs at the bottom of the websiteIt;s because LGF are "home" of the Zombie and DEZ (a known alien)
Those are topics right up their alley!
Your abduction is now scheduled.
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Crimsonfisted Sun, Aug 9, 2009 6:41:20pm |
re: #5 HoosierHoops
I can't believe I am watching pre season football...
Help me lord...There should be a law..
/Hiya Lizards!
And there should be a law that Christmas advertising should start AFTER Thanksgiving, and that winter clothes are sold during winter.
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sattv4u2 Sun, Aug 9, 2009 6:41:30pm |
re: #17 sattv4u2
Red Sox/ Yankees on ESPN
Speaking of which
I thought we were in a recession!
Yankee Stadium is packed. The "LEGENDS" seats go for $2500 !!
$2500!! DOLLARS ,,, USA Currency !!
$2500
(and thats before a scalper!)
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livefreeor die Sun, Aug 9, 2009 6:42:01pm |
re: #22 Erik The Red
I am looking forward to my first full season of NFL in over 23 years. :)
I need some help here Lizards. Who to support? I have no real allegiance, so you all convince me on which team I should shout for.
I think you should be "Erik the Redskins fan".
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Erik The Red Sun, Aug 9, 2009 6:42:17pm |
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David Simon Sun, Aug 9, 2009 6:43:00pm |
re: #7 MandyManners
'SPACE ALIEN PET FOUND'
They've been visiting with Kucinich again?
I pose a question to you and the rest of the female lizardia: How did that nutty little twerp land a statuesque redhead half his age (and twice his height)?
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sattv4u2 Sun, Aug 9, 2009 6:43:19pm |
re: #22 Erik The Red
I am looking forward to my first full season of NFL in over 23 years. :)
I need some help here Lizards. Who to support? I have no real allegiance, so you all convince me on which team I should shout for.
Well,, seeing how you've come to America now to live, there's only one answer
the PATRIOTS!
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soxfan4life Sun, Aug 9, 2009 6:43:45pm |
re: #22 Erik The Red
I am looking forward to my first full season of NFL in over 23 years. :)
I need some help here Lizards. Who to support? I have no real allegiance, so you all convince me on which team I should shout for.
Whoever is playing the Dallas Cowboys, or the New England Patriots. NE, Pittsburgh, and San Diego are likely the favorites to win the AFC with Indy close behind, but questionable because of the new coach.
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Crimsonfisted Sun, Aug 9, 2009 6:43:55pm |
re: #29 David Simon
I pose a question to you and the rest of the female lizardia: How did that nutty little twerp land a statuesque redhead half his age (and twice his height)?
ummm. do the math. What else would be larg...
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MandyManners Sun, Aug 9, 2009 6:44:16pm |
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sattv4u2 Sun, Aug 9, 2009 6:44:30pm |
re: #29 David Simon
I pose a question to you and the rest of the female lizardia: How did that nutty little twerp land a statuesque redhead half his age (and twice his height)?
They were sittimng across the room from each other. She looked at Dennis. He looked back and licked his eyebrows!
BAD SATT ,,, BAD BAD BAD
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David Simon Sun, Aug 9, 2009 6:44:32pm |
re: #32 Crimsonfisted
ummm. do the math. What else would be larg...
Oh no, I really don't need that image in my head.
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livefreeor die Sun, Aug 9, 2009 6:44:42pm |
re: #29 David Simon
I pose a question to you and the rest of the female lizardia: How did that nutty little twerp land a statuesque redhead half his age (and twice his height)?
Hmmm. I'm not $ure.
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JammieWearingFool Sun, Aug 9, 2009 6:44:58pm |
Sox haven't scored since garbage time Thursday night. I'd say they're due.
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David Simon Sun, Aug 9, 2009 6:45:05pm |
re: #35 sattv4u2
They were sittimng across the room from each other. She looked at Dennis. He looked back and licked his eyebrows!
BAD SATT ,,, BAD BAD BAD
Hookay, I've got no one to blame but me.
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CyanSnowHawk Sun, Aug 9, 2009 6:45:07pm |
re: #34 esch
Oh so many smart-ass remarks to suppress.
We're just the sarcasm inherent in the system.
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Erik The Red Sun, Aug 9, 2009 6:46:56pm |
re: #30 sattv4u2
Well,, seeing how you've come to America now to live, there's only one answer
the PATRIOTS!
LOL. I have supported the Pats over the last few years. But not a die hard fan. A Browns fan by birth. Living in Florida now I think it may be the Jaguars, Bucs or Dolphins.
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MandyManners Sun, Aug 9, 2009 6:47:09pm |
re: #8 DEZes
I leave the door open just one time...
Speaking of pets, the baby lizard that has been coming into the kitchen through a hole I've yet to find got squashed under the rug in front of the sink. Poor baby.
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Crimsonfisted Sun, Aug 9, 2009 6:47:54pm |
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Digital Display Sun, Aug 9, 2009 6:48:00pm |
re: #22 Erik The Red
I am looking forward to my first full season of NFL in over 23 years. :)
I need some help here Lizards. Who to support? I have no real allegiance, so you all convince me on which team I should shout for.
Two great teams in Florida...Jacksonville is in our Division...I swear to God this Winter I'll Hate Jacksonville with all my heart twice...
Its the law..*Wink*
We live in Indiana but I am a huge 49er fan...Don't tell anyone...But even the bathroom towels are Red and Gold...
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CyanSnowHawk Sun, Aug 9, 2009 6:48:03pm |
re: #33 MandyManners
Is that you, Andy?
With pipes like his, I wouldn't need to work in the defense industry. I type much better than I sing.
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DEZes Sun, Aug 9, 2009 6:48:22pm |
re: #42 MandyManners
Speaking of pets, the baby lizard that has been coming into the kitchen through a hole I've yet to find got squashed under the rug in front of the sink. Poor baby.
You stepped on a hatchling?
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VioletTiger Sun, Aug 9, 2009 6:48:38pm |
There is also a link to 'Weird New Jersey'.
I know for a fact that there is nothing weird here./
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mich-again Sun, Aug 9, 2009 6:49:16pm |
Charles my man, you hit the bigtime now. Lizard man meets bat boy.
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DEZes Sun, Aug 9, 2009 6:49:21pm |
re: #47 VioletTiger
There is also a link to 'Weird New Jersey'.
I know for a fact that there is nothing weird here./
Then I should fit right in.
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CyanSnowHawk Sun, Aug 9, 2009 6:49:50pm |
re: #29 David Simon
I pose a question to you and the rest of the female lizardia: How did that nutty little twerp land a statuesque redhead half his age (and twice his height)?
An example of what some women will put up with to be close to that kind of power. Or maybe Satt was right.
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jaunte Sun, Aug 9, 2009 6:49:52pm |
Even now that we have all kinds of graphic design computer tools, the Weekly World News still looks like it's put together with rubber cement and razor blades.
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DEZes Sun, Aug 9, 2009 6:50:31pm |
re: #52 jaunte
Even now that we have all kinds of graphic design computer tools, the Weekly World News still looks like it's put together with rubber cement and razor blades.
Software and machines cost money. ;)
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livefreeor die Sun, Aug 9, 2009 6:51:25pm |
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DEZes Sun, Aug 9, 2009 6:51:47pm |
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JacksonTn Sun, Aug 9, 2009 6:51:50pm |
re: #29 David Simon
I pose a question to you and the rest of the female lizardia: How did that nutty little twerp land a statuesque redhead half his age (and twice his height)?
DS ... money ...
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Crimsonfisted Sun, Aug 9, 2009 6:51:53pm |
re: #42 MandyManners
Speaking of pets, the baby lizard that has been coming into the kitchen through a hole I've yet to find got squashed under the rug in front of the sink. Poor baby.
I scream, and call for Mr Fisted to get the damn thing out of the house safely. I stepped on one once on my porch by mistake. Heard its little body pop. I felt TERRIBLE. It tried to beat my foot as it was coming down. I couldn't stop my foot. Even thought they creep me out, they eat bugs, so...
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sattv4u2 Sun, Aug 9, 2009 6:51:58pm |
Ah well freinds
Thanks for keeping me enteratined for the last 12 hours
Heading home, will be back for another 12 tomorrow
Cya !
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Killgore Trout Sun, Aug 9, 2009 6:52:19pm |
OT: I'm experimenting with a slow smoked pork loin using a wood fire instead of coals in my Big Green Egg. I only started 20 minutes ago and so far two people walking by have asked their companions, "What smells so good?" I hope it lives up to expectations.
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MandyManners Sun, Aug 9, 2009 6:52:21pm |
re: #45 CyanSnowHawk
With pipes like his, I wouldn't need to work in the defense industry. I type much better than I sing.
The singing engineer!
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Erik The Red Sun, Aug 9, 2009 6:52:32pm |
re: #59 sattv4u2
Ah well freinds
Thanks for keeping me enteratined for the last 12 hours
Heading home, will be back for another 12 tomorrow
Cya !
Later satt.
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sattv4u2 Sun, Aug 9, 2009 6:52:42pm |
re: #59 sattv4u2
Ah well freinds
Thanks for keeping me
enteratinedfor the last 12 hoursHeading home, will be back for another 12 tomorrow
Cya !
ENTERTAINED even
I's Tired!
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MandyManners Sun, Aug 9, 2009 6:52:45pm |
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sattv4u2 Sun, Aug 9, 2009 6:53:34pm |
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DEZes Sun, Aug 9, 2009 6:54:06pm |
re: #64 MandyManners
I DIDN'T MEAN TO!
You always manage to make me smile, hatchlings are not so lucky. ;)
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Killgore Trout Sun, Aug 9, 2009 6:54:27pm |
re: #65 sattv4u2
I'll bet the little ones are tasty fired. I don't think I've ever eaten lizard before.
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DEZes Sun, Aug 9, 2009 6:54:40pm |
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MandyManners Sun, Aug 9, 2009 6:54:48pm |
re: #50 Killgore Trout
Awww.
It tore me up when I took the rug out to shake it after finishing the dishes. It's widdle, squished body was pressed on the under-side of the rug.
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Erik The Red Sun, Aug 9, 2009 6:54:51pm |
re: #60 Killgore Trout
OT: I'm experimenting with a slow smoked pork loin using a wood fire instead of coals in my Big Green Egg. I only started 20 minutes ago and so far two people walking by have asked their companions, "What smells so good?" I hope it lives up to expectations.
I hope you are using a wood that leaves a good flavour. Otherwise it will just taste like burnt smoke. Best to smoke at the start of the cooking and let the wood burn down to coals.
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DEZes Sun, Aug 9, 2009 6:55:29pm |
re: #67 Killgore Trout
I'll bet the little ones are tasty fired. I don't think I've ever eaten lizard before.
Cannibal. ;)
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livefreeor die Sun, Aug 9, 2009 6:55:48pm |
re: #69 MandyManners
It tore me up when I took the rug out to shake it after finishing the dishes. It's widdle, squished body was pressed on the under-side of the rug.
I'm sorry, Mandy. It must have been awful to find that.
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Almost Killed by Space Hookers Sun, Aug 9, 2009 6:56:02pm |
I loved weekly world news. They were a parody and they knew it.
There was a great one I have with a cover of Bill Clinton's new three breasted intern...
And yes, they knew their Douglas Adams.
I miss them. They were like the National Lampoon of National Enquirer.
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MandyManners Sun, Aug 9, 2009 6:56:27pm |
re: #58 Crimsonfisted
I scream, and call for Mr Fisted to get the damn thing out of the house safely. I stepped on one once on my porch by mistake. Heard its little body pop. I felt TERRIBLE. It tried to beat my foot as it was coming down. I couldn't stop my foot. Even thought they creep me out, they eat bugs, so...
I have a bunch around the yard, especially skinks. I don't mind them at all. I've even tried to help The Kid to catch one.
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Crimsonfisted Sun, Aug 9, 2009 6:56:36pm |
re: #70 Erik The Red
I hope you are using a wood that leaves a good flavour. Otherwise it will just taste like burnt smoke. Best to smoke at the start of the cooking and let the wood burn down to coals.
We finish in the oven. 18 hours, slow cooked. Too MUCH smoke, bad.
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Sun, Aug 9, 2009 6:56:48pm |
I missed my goal to get a copy of the Hillary's Alien Lover cover signed by her.
I dunno, I think she would.
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CyanSnowHawk Sun, Aug 9, 2009 6:57:39pm |
re: #55 livefreeor die
And graphic design also requires talent.
So does GUI design. I designed the GUI for an MP3 player for a previous company that I worked for. I told them to bring in a human/computer interface designer, but did they listen to me? It got reviewed in a major computer magazine. They were not kind.
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sattv4u2 Sun, Aug 9, 2009 6:58:02pm |
re: #67 Killgore Trout
I'll bet the little ones are tasty fired. I don't think I've ever eaten lizard before.
Closest I've had is frog and rattelsnake
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VioletTiger Sun, Aug 9, 2009 6:58:05pm |
re: #74 MandyManners
I have a bunch around the yard, especially skinks. I don't mind them at all. I've even tried to help The Kid to catch one.
One of my neighbor's kids caught a toad and they kept it as a pet. That was 7 years ago and the darn thing is still alive. I never knew they lived so long.
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livefreeor die Sun, Aug 9, 2009 6:58:16pm |
re: #75 Crimsonfisted
We finish in the oven. 18 hours, slow cooked. Too MUCH smoke, bad.
Have you ever tried a water smoker? I got my husband one for his birthday two years ago. The smoke flavor it gives meat and chicken is fantastic.
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mich-again Sun, Aug 9, 2009 6:59:08pm |
re: #79 VioletTiger
One of my neighbor's kids caught a toad and they kept it as a pet. That was 7 years ago and the darn thing is still alive. I never knew they lived so long.
They don't. Its undead.
/
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CyanSnowHawk Sun, Aug 9, 2009 6:59:24pm |
re: #61 MandyManners
The singing engineer!
Not this one. When they fire up the Karaoke at the Christmas parties you can see a smoke outline where I used to be.
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Scion9 Sun, Aug 9, 2009 7:00:09pm |
It's definitely 'too soon', but their story on John Hughes is hilarious.
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DEZes Sun, Aug 9, 2009 7:00:16pm |
re: #76 EmmmieG
I missed my goal to get a copy of the Hillary's Alien Lover cover signed by her.
I dunno, I think she would.
3 million light years to reach Earth, and an alien gets busy with Hillary?
Stupid little grey. ;)
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VioletTiger Sun, Aug 9, 2009 7:00:40pm |
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Crimsonfisted Sun, Aug 9, 2009 7:00:46pm |
re: #80 livefreeor die
Have you ever tried a water smoker? I got my husband one for his birthday two years ago. The smoke flavor it gives meat and chicken is fantastic.
I have not heard of a water smoker. hmmm... new.toy.have.not.heard.of.transfixed.transmogrified.
Researching...
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DEZes Sun, Aug 9, 2009 7:00:48pm |
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David Simon Sun, Aug 9, 2009 7:01:09pm |
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livefreeor die Sun, Aug 9, 2009 7:01:48pm |
re: #88 David Simon
Mrs. Kucinich can top that.
Brain bleach! I must have brain bleach! And a barf bag...
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MandyManners Sun, Aug 9, 2009 7:02:16pm |
re: #60 Killgore Trout
OT: I'm experimenting with a slow smoked pork loin using a wood fire instead of coals in my Big Green Egg. I only started 20 minutes ago and so far two people walking by have asked their companions, "What smells so good?" I hope it lives up to expectations.
I had thin sirloin steaks slowly simmered with freshly picked red green bell peppers and store-bought red bell peppers and Vidalia onion for dinner tonight. I served it with freshly-picked purple-hull peas with the bread-and-butter pickles that I made last week, peaches-and-cream corn just cut off the cob, freshly picked fried okra (I let my dad cook that--I hate okra), stewed new potatoes and freshly picked tomatoes.
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MandyManners Sun, Aug 9, 2009 7:03:03pm |
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VioletTiger Sun, Aug 9, 2009 7:03:38pm |
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MandyManners Sun, Aug 9, 2009 7:03:41pm |
re: #66 DEZes
You always manage to make me smile, hatchlings are not so lucky. ;)
He zigged when he shoulda' zagged.
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livefreeor die Sun, Aug 9, 2009 7:04:35pm |
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Digital Display Sun, Aug 9, 2009 7:04:52pm |
Tony Dungy joined NBC...I can't think of one bad thing to say about that man..
Trust me...I've been thinking...But I can't think of one bad thing to say about him...I really respect him
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Killgore Trout Sun, Aug 9, 2009 7:05:00pm |
re: #70 Erik The Red
I'm using pear wood tonight. I have also smoked with bamboo which works very well too.
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Sun, Aug 9, 2009 7:05:16pm |
To weigh in on the Kucinich thing--it's not money, or the other suggestion, it's something much, much more seductive.
Power.
He is a US Senator, and she sounds like a woman devoted to her cause.
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mich-again Sun, Aug 9, 2009 7:05:39pm |
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MandyManners Sun, Aug 9, 2009 7:05:43pm |
re: #72 livefreeor die
I'm sorry, Mandy. It must have been awful to find that.
No blood or gore but, dead is dead.
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MandyManners Sun, Aug 9, 2009 7:06:23pm |
Are they really letting that sorry motherfucker Michael Vick back into football?
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livefreeor die Sun, Aug 9, 2009 7:06:49pm |
re: #96 HoosierHoops
Tony Dungy joined NBC...I can't think of one bad thing to say about that man..
Trust me...I've been thinking...But I can't think of one bad thing to say about him...I really respect him
You must feel about him like we Skins fans feel about Joe Gibbs.
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Erik The Red Sun, Aug 9, 2009 7:07:20pm |
re: #97 Killgore Trout
I'm using pear wood tonight. I have also smoked with bamboo which works very well too.
Never used bamboo to smoke. What kind of flavour does it give the meat. And don't say bamboo flavour, I have no clue what Bamboo tastes like. :)
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MandyManners Sun, Aug 9, 2009 7:07:29pm |
re: #79 VioletTiger
One of my neighbor's kids caught a toad and they kept it as a pet. That was 7 years ago and the darn thing is still alive. I never knew they lived so long.
Seven years?! How big did it get?
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Killgore Trout Sun, Aug 9, 2009 7:07:54pm |
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MandyManners Sun, Aug 9, 2009 7:07:58pm |
re: #82 CyanSnowHawk
Not this one. When they fire up the Karaoke at the Christmas parties you can see a smoke outline where I used to be.
I bet you can dance real nice.
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Crimsonfisted Sun, Aug 9, 2009 7:08:16pm |
re: #95 livefreeor die
Here's the link for the one we have. The water keeps the food from drying out while it is slow cooked/ smoked for several hours.
I asked Mr Fisted if he had heard of one - of COURSE the king of fire heard of it - and we are discussing now. BBQ, grilling, cooking, favorite topics of discussion in the Fisted home! Thanks for the link!
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livefreeor die Sun, Aug 9, 2009 7:08:18pm |
re: #101 MandyManners
Are they really letting that sorry motherfucker Michael Vick back into football?
I think he's having trouble finding a team who wants him.
If even the Oakland Raiders don't want you, you are going to be waiting for a call for long time.
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Erik The Red Sun, Aug 9, 2009 7:08:19pm |
re: #101 MandyManners
Are they really letting that sorry motherfucker Michael Vick back into football?
'fraid so 2M. Although I don't think a team has picked him up yet.
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soxfan4life Sun, Aug 9, 2009 7:08:43pm |
re: #101 MandyManners
Are they really letting that sorry motherfucker Michael Vick back into football?
He paid his price to society, and having a limited time to earn money from football it only seems fair. Maybe Goodell should make him donate a percentage to ASPCA or another animal rescue organization.
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David Simon Sun, Aug 9, 2009 7:08:44pm |
re: #98 EmmmieG
To weigh in on the Kucinich thing--it's not money, or the other suggestion, it's something much, much more seductive.
Power.
He is a US Senator, and she sounds like a woman devoted to her cause.
Yep, I think you nailed it.
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CyanSnowHawk Sun, Aug 9, 2009 7:09:02pm |
re: #101 MandyManners
Are they really letting that sorry motherfucker Michael Vick back into football?
He paid his debt through the legal system. His employer doesn't need to add to it.
As to whether or not any team wants the distraction that comes with him, that's another story.
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Cato the Elder Sun, Aug 9, 2009 7:09:02pm |
Funny. I've been trying for two days to post a comment on HuffPo about the irony of Bill "Religulous" Maher quoting the great G.K. Chesterton, who was one of those people of faith Bill loves to mock. Two other, nugatory comments of mine have gone up within minutes.
Does HuffPo have a problem with articulate believers? It would seem so.
Anyway, Mr Maher, you are living proof that smart + funny ≠ wise.
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VioletTiger Sun, Aug 9, 2009 7:09:37pm |
re: #104 MandyManners
Seven years?! How big did it get?
It didn't really grow much--it's just a couple of inches. Must be bored in that cage, but apparently, not bored to death.
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shiplord kirel Sun, Aug 9, 2009 7:10:38pm |
A confession, or boast as the case may be. I was on the staff at WWN in its heyday. We had a lot of fun. I like to think of it as the unappreciated precursor to The Onion and Scrappleface.
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Pvt Bin Jammin Sun, Aug 9, 2009 7:10:55pm |
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JacksonTn Sun, Aug 9, 2009 7:10:56pm |
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livefreeor die Sun, Aug 9, 2009 7:11:40pm |
re: #112 CyanSnowHawk
He paid his debt through the legal system. His employer doesn't need to add to it.
As to whether or not any team wants the distraction that comes with him, that's another story.
For home games, the team will get PETA protests going on outside the stadium. And I don't want to think about the signs and what gets thrown on the field during away games...
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DEZes Sun, Aug 9, 2009 7:11:45pm |
re: #93 MandyManners
He zigged when he shoulda' zagged.
Under a rug he went undercover
He laid in wait only to discover
That from his crush, he will never recover
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CyanSnowHawk Sun, Aug 9, 2009 7:11:51pm |
re: #106 MandyManners
I bet you can dance real nice.
Mrs. Hawk made me a promise. After the wedding dance, she would never ask me to dance again. I was never a dancer.
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Digital Display Sun, Aug 9, 2009 7:12:25pm |
re: #101 MandyManners
Are they really letting that sorry motherfucker Michael Vick back into football?
Oh Mandy...
I can't imagine any person in the whole world that would let a dog suffer and live in pain or death.
We give second chances to talented Athletes..because they have talent.
This is our world...It sucks..By 2010 He'll sign a 75 million dollar contract somewhere... Sad...but true
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Erik The Red Sun, Aug 9, 2009 7:12:35pm |
Later Lizards. New book tonight to fall asleep to. :)
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Killgore Trout Sun, Aug 9, 2009 7:12:45pm |
re: #103 Erik The Red
Never used bamboo to smoke. What kind of flavour does it give the meat. And don't say bamboo flavour, I have no clue what Bamboo tastes like. :)
It's actually a very light smoked flavor. If you mix green and dried bamboo it gives off a natural meat tenderizer. Very pleasant.
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DEZes Sun, Aug 9, 2009 7:13:08pm |
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soxfan4life Sun, Aug 9, 2009 7:13:37pm |
re: #118 livefreeor die
For home games, the team will get PETA protests going on outside the stadium. And I don't want to think about the signs and what gets thrown on the field during away games...
The first time he rips off a long run or leads the team to a victory the home fans will put a stop to the PETA protests real quick.
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Pianobuff Sun, Aug 9, 2009 7:13:56pm |
re: #113 Cato the Elder
Funny. I've been trying for two days to post a comment on HuffPo about the irony of Bill "Religulous" Maher quoting the great G.K. Chesterton, who was one of those people of faith Bill loves to mock. Two other, nugatory comments of mine have gone up within minutes.
Does HuffPo have a problem with articulate believers? It would seem so.
Anyway, Mr Maher, you are living proof that smart + funny ≠ wise.
Could the quote have been from Chesterton's earlier years when he was not quite so orthodox in his beliefs, giving Maher an alibi?
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Dr. Shalit Sun, Aug 9, 2009 7:15:11pm |
re: #101 MandyManners
Are they really letting that sorry motherfucker Michael Vick back into football?
Mandy -
Of COURSE they are - He can Play - so far as any Team in the NFL can attest to - Pre-Incarceration. NOW may be different.
Time will tell - as always - "...Follow the Money..." - Deep Throat, 1973.
That is all.
-S-
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mich-again Sun, Aug 9, 2009 7:15:32pm |
re: #113 Cato the Elder
Who is Bill Maher? Is that name supposed to ring a bell.
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Aye Pod Sun, Aug 9, 2009 7:15:44pm |
"bong bong biddy beng beng giddy woyoing ge na be de hem"
It must be Eek-A-Mouse - up to no good as well by the sound of it...
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Crimsonfisted Sun, Aug 9, 2009 7:15:48pm |
re: #123 Killgore Trout
It's actually a very light smoked flavor. If you mix green and dried bamboo it gives off a natural meat tenderizer. Very pleasant.
Very interesting. We will have to try that.
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esch Sun, Aug 9, 2009 7:16:51pm |
re: #128 mich-again
Who is Bill Maher? Is that name supposed to ring a bell.
He's kind of like Jon Stewart. Only less money, more smirk.
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MandyManners Sun, Aug 9, 2009 7:17:04pm |
re: #105 Killgore Trout
That sounds nice. I was going to attempt to make pickles this year but my cucumber crop kinda sucked. I'm making Tzatziki with them instead.
Oh, that looks delicious. I've had it before. Have fun!
I'm thinking of pickling some green tomatoes for my father but, that takes FOUR DAYS according to my grandmother's recipe. She useta' put up those and whole, ripe tomatoes. And, her own b-and-b pickles, dill pickles, green beans, corn, jams, jellies and preserves--a whole room was filled with her stuff. They had fresh stuff all year long.
Man, I wish I had her energy.
She also made biscuits from scratch--using lard-every morning before sunrise. My grandfather would eat those with ham and red-eyed gravy for breakfast. He dropped dead in his tracks when he was about 60--massive coronary from utterly and completely blocked arteries.
He knew he would die from it but, he said he'd rather die as the result of something he loved instead of being hit by a bus after popping a bunch of BP meds. What a philosophy!
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Dr. Shalit Sun, Aug 9, 2009 7:17:22pm |
re: #128 mich-again
Who is Bill Maher? Is that name supposed to ring a bell.
mich-again -
DING, DING, DING, DING, DING!
That is all.
-S-
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jaunte Sun, Aug 9, 2009 7:18:05pm |
re: #113 Cato the Elder
Maher has a very narrow vision of what constitutes 'smart.'
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pbird Sun, Aug 9, 2009 7:18:16pm |
re: #29 David Simon
I pose a question to you and the rest of the female lizardia: How did that nutty little twerp land a statuesque redhead half his age (and twice his height)?
Its just a job? He's paying her? I knew a couple like that.
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MandyManners Sun, Aug 9, 2009 7:18:31pm |
re: #132 MandyManners
He wasn't fat, either. He had a slight paunch but, he could fit into his WWII uniform, the one he wore while kicking Japanese ass all over the Pacific.
I guess after doing that, blocked arteries is no big deal.
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DEZes Sun, Aug 9, 2009 7:19:58pm |
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Dr. Shalit Sun, Aug 9, 2009 7:20:13pm |
re: #134 jaunte
Maher has a very narrow vision of what constitutes 'smart.'
jaunte -
Maher's Vision is that anyone living outside a Major Metropolitan area is DUMB. Bad analysis if I may say so myself as a "Once Removed" New Yorker.
-S-
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Pianobuff Sun, Aug 9, 2009 7:20:17pm |
re: #131 esch
He's kind of like Jon Stewart. Only less money, more smirk.
And occasional B-list invitee to Hef's mansion where he has to hang on Mini-Me's coattails to get noticed by the talent.
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MandyManners Sun, Aug 9, 2009 7:20:25pm |
re: #108 livefreeor die
I think he's having trouble finding a team who wants him.
If even the Oakland Raiders don't want you, you are going to be waiting for a call for long time.
I have zero sympathy for that jerk. None. Zilch. Nada. The same amount of sympathy he had for those dogs. Fucking sociopath.
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soxfan4life Sun, Aug 9, 2009 7:20:33pm |
re: #138 taxfreekiller
William Ayers never even served one day for his crimes.
Neither did Edward Kennedy.
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Dark_Falcon Sun, Aug 9, 2009 7:20:41pm |
re: #113 Cato the Elder
Funny. I've been trying for two days to post a comment on HuffPo about the irony of Bill "Religulous" Maher quoting the great G.K. Chesterton, who was one of those people of faith Bill loves to mock. Two other, nugatory comments of mine have gone up within minutes.
Does HuffPo have a problem with articulate believers? It would seem so.
Anyway, Mr Maher, you are living proof that smart + funny ≠ wise.
Quite Concur.
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Gella Sun, Aug 9, 2009 7:20:52pm |
re: #141 Pianobuff
And occasional B-list invitee to Hef's mansion where he has to hang on Mini-Me's coattails to get noticed by the talent.
with a grass addiction
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CyanSnowHawk Sun, Aug 9, 2009 7:21:05pm |
re: #128 mich-again
Who is Bill Maher? Is that name supposed to ring a bell.
Stand up comic, actor. Very cynical in his delivery. Very anti-religious.
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esch Sun, Aug 9, 2009 7:21:17pm |
re: #132 MandyManners
He knew he would die from it but, he said he'd rather die as the result of something he loved instead of being hit by a bus after popping a bunch of BP meds. What a philosophy!
Wise man.
Besides that, cut it out! I'm drooling here. The thought of homemade bnb pickles is driving me crazy.
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MandyManners Sun, Aug 9, 2009 7:21:39pm |
re: #110 soxfan4life
He paid his price to society, and having a limited time to earn money from football it only seems fair. Maybe Goodell should make him donate a percentage to ASPCA or another animal rescue organization.
I'm sorry but, society still has tools at its disposal to deal with cretins once they've "paid their price" via the legal system. He needs a good, old-fashioned shunning.
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The Shadow Do Sun, Aug 9, 2009 7:21:46pm |
re: #78 sattv4u2
Closest I've had is frog and rattelsnake
I suggest stir fry since they are a bit small for BBQ or slow roast.
Mice on the menu...
I suggest you reserve the tails for a sort of garnish on the rice pilaff.
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Digital Display Sun, Aug 9, 2009 7:22:03pm |
re: #127 Dr. Shalit
Mandy -
Of COURSE they are - He can Play - so far as any Team in the NFL can attest to - Pre-Incarceration. NOW may be different.
Time will tell - as always - "...Follow the Money..." - Deep Throat, 1973.
That is all.-S-
Vick is so fast...The only QB of all time to rush for a 1000 yds in a season..
(all time)
But he is somewhat frail..He got the crap knocked out of him every week...He is a hybrid athlete... I mean crap any QB that times out at 4.2 you give the ball to...Yet Both Mannings will end up in the Hall of Fame and they are slower than shit...But they can play the position of QB...
It's weird in Football Speed kills...Yet the greatest players were kindof slow...But just great players...
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livefreeor die Sun, Aug 9, 2009 7:22:13pm |
re: #142 MandyManners
I have zero sympathy for that jerk. None. Zilch. Nada. The same amount of sympathy he had for those dogs. Fucking sociopath.
I couldn't even read the details of his crimes after one sentence of them in an article. It literally made me sick to my stomach.
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soxfan4life Sun, Aug 9, 2009 7:22:39pm |
re: #148 MandyManners
I'm sorry but, society still has tools at its disposal to deal with cretins once they've "paid their price" via the legal system. He needs a good, old-fashioned shunning.
So should he be allowed to earn a living or be on the dole for the rest of his life?
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Dark_Falcon Sun, Aug 9, 2009 7:22:43pm |
re: #101 MandyManners
Are they really letting that sorry motherfucker Michael Vick back into football?
Yep. I hope he ends up with the Packers. The last time he player the Bears, they beat the shit out of him and I'd love to see that happen again.
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MandyManners Sun, Aug 9, 2009 7:22:46pm |
re: #112 CyanSnowHawk
He paid his debt through the legal system. His employer doesn't need to add to it.
As to whether or not any team wants the distraction that comes with him, that's another story.
What kind of message does it send to kids when somone who KILLED animals is given another chance after he's spent a short time in prison?
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Killgore Trout Sun, Aug 9, 2009 7:22:48pm |
re: #130 Crimsonfisted
Very interesting. We will have to try that.
Just make sure to split the bamboo first. Bamboo stalks are separated into "culms" which are little air tight chambers. Unless you split the bamboo or cut the culms in half the will explode (no good).
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Sun, Aug 9, 2009 7:22:53pm |
re: #132 MandyManners
Mandy--I hope you find this funny. If not, ignore it.
Myron and Mary were married for sixty years, and lived to 85, when they were killed together in a tragic accident.
They had been good people, and so the angels were giving them a tour of heaven. They saw all the wonderful things to see and do, and then they arrived at their mansion. The buffet was all laid out with wonderful things to eat.
"It will always be here," the angels said, "as much as you can eat and you never get fat."
Myron burst into sobs. His wife turned to him, "What is wrong?"
"You and your stupid bran muffins. We could have been here ten years ago."
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MandyManners Sun, Aug 9, 2009 7:23:13pm |
re: #114 VioletTiger
It didn't really grow much--it's just a couple of inches. Must be bored in that cage, but apparently, not bored to death.
What did it eat?
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The Shadow Do Sun, Aug 9, 2009 7:23:17pm |
re: #87 DEZes
Rattle snake is decent eating.
On a fishing trip, the fishing was not so good but there were lots of rattlers for the taking.
So we breakfasted on snake and eggs.
Not bad!
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DEZes Sun, Aug 9, 2009 7:24:30pm |
re: #148 MandyManners
I'm sorry but, society still has tools at its disposal to deal with cretins once they've "paid their price" via the legal system. He needs a good, old-fashioned shunning.
Agreed, he paid his dept in the courts, albeit all to short.
Let him suffer like a rabid hyena.
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Dark_Falcon Sun, Aug 9, 2009 7:24:30pm |
re: #151 taxfreekiller
John F. Kerry attended a meeting in Oklahoma City where a vote was taken to shoot and kill U.S. Senators and Congressmen.
Vick is sick.
Has he learned any thing is the question.
Is he still sick?
He's likely still sick. He's got a huge ego, and it was likely bruised but not deflated. That why I what the Bears defense to have a chance to pound on his ass.
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livefreeor die Sun, Aug 9, 2009 7:24:34pm |
re: #155 Dark_Falcon
Yep. I hope he ends up with the Packers. The last time he player the Bears, they beat the shit out of him and I'd love to see that happen again.
Or put him on a team with Terrel Owens. That's a special level of hell for any quarterback.
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mich-again Sun, Aug 9, 2009 7:24:48pm |
re: #138 taxfreekiller
William Ayers never even served one day for his crimes.
His case was dismissed because of illegal activities during investigation, including wiretaps, break-ins and mail interceptions.
Rules for Radicals #4:
"Make the enemy live up to its own book of rules. You can kill them with this, for they can no more obey their own rules than the Christian church can live up to Christianity."
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MandyManners Sun, Aug 9, 2009 7:24:50pm |
re: #119 DEZes
Under a rug he went undercover
He laid in wait only to discover
That from his crush, he will never recover
Bravo!
Yes, he was crushed. Flat.
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Dr. Shalit Sun, Aug 9, 2009 7:25:19pm |
re: #150 HoosierHoops
Hoo-Hoo -
Follow the MONEY. This is the NFL we are talking about. If VICK makes money, HE is at worst "OK" - If he does NOT - He is GONE!
-S-
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Aye Pod Sun, Aug 9, 2009 7:25:24pm |
Speaking of weird...one of Glenn Becks more revealing rants -
Teh New World Order iz comin teh git meh!
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VioletTiger Sun, Aug 9, 2009 7:25:51pm |
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The Shadow Do Sun, Aug 9, 2009 7:26:19pm |
re: #150 HoosierHoops
Vick is so fast...The only QB of all time to rush for a 1000 yds in a season..
(all time)
But he is somewhat frail..He got the crap knocked out of him every week...He is a hybrid athlete... I mean crap any QB that times out at 4.2 you give the ball to...Yet Both Mannings will end up in the Hall of Fame and they are slower than shit...But they can play the position of QB...
It's weird in Football Speed kills...Yet the greatest players were kindof slow...But just great players...
Elway didn't win a Superbowl until he was pretty much a cripple.
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Irenicum Sun, Aug 9, 2009 7:27:21pm |
re: #171 Charles
I especially like the scene in part five where...oh never mind!
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MandyManners Sun, Aug 9, 2009 7:27:21pm |
I've been pounding my keyboard again. Gotta' push back from the desk for a few. bbiab
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Dr. Shalit Sun, Aug 9, 2009 7:27:38pm |
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DEZes Sun, Aug 9, 2009 7:27:39pm |
re: #160 The Shadow Do
On a fishing trip, the fishing was not so good but there were lots of rattlers for the taking.
So we breakfasted on snake and eggs.Not bad!
My Grand father on my dads side was full blooded Cherokee, He died about the time I was born, But dad passed on many things he had shared with his father, rattlers were one of those things.
I had them deep fried.
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Crimsonfisted Sun, Aug 9, 2009 7:28:05pm |
re: #157 Killgore Trout
Just make sure to split the bamboo first. Bamboo stalks are separated into "culms" which are little air tight chambers. Unless you split the bamboo or cut the culms in half the will explode (no good).
Great tip - thanks!
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Cato the Elder Sun, Aug 9, 2009 7:28:06pm |
re: #126 Pianobuff
Could the quote have been from Chesterton's earlier years when he was not quite so orthodox in his beliefs, giving Maher an alibi?
The line is from Chesterton's first book of essays, The Defendant (1901), from the chapter "A Defence of Patriotism":
"'My country, right or wrong,' is a thing that no patriot would think of saying. It is like saying, 'My mother, drunk or sober.'"
As far as I know he was firmly in the Christian camp by then, though he did not complete his journey to Catholicism until 1922.
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Pianobuff Sun, Aug 9, 2009 7:28:40pm |
re: #171 Charles
Fast living.
Excellent character development, though the pace dropped off a little much for my taste from :03-:04.
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Dark_Falcon Sun, Aug 9, 2009 7:28:47pm |
re: #164 livefreeor die
Or put him on a team with Terrel Owens. That's a special level of hell for any quarterback.
That would very unfair.. to Owens. Vick hasn't got the arm that a WR like Owens needs his QB to have to be effective.
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DEZes Sun, Aug 9, 2009 7:29:07pm |
re: #166 MandyManners
Bravo!
Yes, he was crushed. Flat.
I thought you missed it, and was gonna let it just pass.
a poet, I am not. ;)
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Pianobuff Sun, Aug 9, 2009 7:29:54pm |
re: #178 Cato the Elder
As far as I know he was firmly in the Christian camp by then, though he did not complete his journey to Catholicism until 1922.
Sounds right to me.
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livefreeor die Sun, Aug 9, 2009 7:30:03pm |
re: #180 Dark_Falcon
That would very unfair.. to Owens. Vick hasn't got the arm that a WR like Owens needs his QB to have to be effective.
And then TO will get upset...and then he'll start stewing...and then he'll start ranting to the press about his quarterback's problems...
Mwahahaha!
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Crimsonfisted Sun, Aug 9, 2009 7:30:19pm |
re: #171 Charles
Fast living.
Now I am depressed.
I did not see ONE BBQ in that clip. Therefore, it cannot be real.
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The Shadow Do Sun, Aug 9, 2009 7:30:33pm |
Michael Vick is a rotten human being.
I know that saying that makes me a racist in some quarters.
The man is a low life, anyone capable of doing what he did is beyond redemption. You don't just recover from depravity. I hope some team signs him, and I hope that team fails miserably.
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The Shadow Do Sun, Aug 9, 2009 7:32:07pm |
re: #176 DEZes
My Grand father on my dads side was full blooded Cherokee, He died about the time I was born, But dad passed on many things he had shared with his father, rattlers were one of those things.
I had them deep fried.
A little flour and bacon grease, no poison please, and you have a mighty fine meal.
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livefreeor die Sun, Aug 9, 2009 7:32:22pm |
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DEZes Sun, Aug 9, 2009 7:33:09pm |
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Irenicum Sun, Aug 9, 2009 7:33:44pm |
re: #189 DEZes
Actually, I've always wanted to try it. I just never had the chance. Sounds good!
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Truck Monkey Sun, Aug 9, 2009 7:33:54pm |
I can't believe that Roger Goodall re-instated Michael Vick. I have posted that I believe that Michael Vick would have received better treatment from the fans had he committed a murder instead of abusing and killing dogs. I thought that the NFL would never reinstate him. I was wrong. I just wonder if there is a team out there that will give him a shot.
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Dark_Falcon Sun, Aug 9, 2009 7:34:37pm |
re: #183 livefreeor die
And then TO will get upset...and then he'll start stewing...and then he'll start ranting to the press about his quarterback's problems...
Mwahahaha!
You're referring to TO memorably reading Tony Romo the Riot Act after Romo's then-girlfriend Jessica Simpson's attendance at Cowboys games had become a major distraction.
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Idle Drifter Sun, Aug 9, 2009 7:34:39pm |
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SteveC Sun, Aug 9, 2009 7:34:41pm |
re: #69 MandyManners
It tore me up when I took the rug out to shake it after finishing the dishes. It's widdle, squished body was pressed on the under-side of the rug.
You ripped out my heart, and stomped that sucker flat,
you just sorta
stepped on my aorta...
- John Denver
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Dark_Falcon Sun, Aug 9, 2009 7:36:15pm |
re: #185 The Shadow Do
Michael Vick is a rotten human being.
I know that saying that makes me a racist in some quarters.
The man is a low life, anyone capable of doing what he did is beyond redemption. You don't just recover from depravity. I hope some team signs him, and I hope that team fails miserably.
That's why I want him on the Packers. Go Bears!
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livefreeor die Sun, Aug 9, 2009 7:36:35pm |
re: #192 Dark_Falcon
You're referring to TO memorably reading Tony Romo the Riot Act after Romo's then-girlfriend Jessica Simpson's attendance at Cowboys games had become a major distraction.
Also remembering TO's years with the Eagles. It was total mayhem in the press around here during that time.
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DEZes Sun, Aug 9, 2009 7:36:40pm |
re: #190 Irenicum
Actually, I've always wanted to try it. I just never had the chance. Sounds good!
Its been about 30 years since Dad deep fried a snake for me, and rattlers are not easy to come by in Indiana.
But its a memory I cherish, and I miss those days.
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Dark_Falcon Sun, Aug 9, 2009 7:37:01pm |
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Truck Monkey Sun, Aug 9, 2009 7:37:17pm |
re: #192 Dark_Falcon
You're referring to TO memorably reading Tony Romo the Riot Act after Romo's then-girlfriend Jessica Simpson's attendance at Cowboys games had become a major distraction.
TO also talked to the press about Jeff Garcias sexual preference after he (TO) departed SF. TO is a total no class douce nozzle. Buffalo will find this out.
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Irenicum Sun, Aug 9, 2009 7:37:23pm |
re: #198 DEZes
That's cool. It's a great thing to be able to have that.
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DEZes Sun, Aug 9, 2009 7:37:48pm |
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Truck Monkey Sun, Aug 9, 2009 7:38:27pm |
re: #200 Truck Monkey
TO also talked to the press about Jeff Garcias sexual preference after he (TO) departed SF. TO is a total no class douce nozzle. Buffalo will find this out.
That would be DOUCHE nozzle.
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VioletTiger Sun, Aug 9, 2009 7:38:39pm |
re: #197 livefreeor die
Also remembering TO's years with the Eagles. It was total mayhem in the press around here during that time.
TO was talented, but too much of a distraction for the team. Glad he's no longer in Philly.
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The Shadow Do Sun, Aug 9, 2009 7:39:08pm |
Snake tastes like, well, snake.
Alligator but not as chewy tough? Sorta. Chicken it ain't.
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SteveC Sun, Aug 9, 2009 7:39:32pm |
re: #200 Truck Monkey
TO is a total no class douce nozzle. Buffalo will find this out.
Meh. He's just a wart on the ass of humanity, not worth your attention.
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Dr. Shalit Sun, Aug 9, 2009 7:39:48pm |
re: #169 taxfreekiller
illegals from south american are heavy into chicken and dog fighting
gambling, drugs, and chicken and dogs fighting and it is very very sick
it is spreading nation wide now
taxfreekiller -
Sounds like all'y'all are talking about the "Bazillions of Brazilians" who showed up in the 1990's to lay Hardwood Floors.
Most that I met were Entrepreneurs in the Best Sense - willing to work absolutely STUPID hours to earn money to establish themselves in the USA. AND THEN - Party Hardy.
Whether "del Norte" or "del Sur" - I respected the hell out of those people. People who refused to say "NO" when it came to their advancement. They reminded me, perhaps too much, of my Grandparents.
-S-
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The Shadow Do Sun, Aug 9, 2009 7:39:55pm |
re: #206 VioletTiger
TO was talented, but too much of a distraction for the team. Glad he's no longer in Philly.
Or Dallas.
I think.
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Digital Display Sun, Aug 9, 2009 7:39:59pm |
re: #191 Truck Monkey
I can't believe that Roger Goodall re-instated Michael Vick. I have posted that I believe that Michael Vick would have received better treatment from the fans had he committed a murder instead of abusing and killing dogs. I thought that the NFL would never reinstate him. I was wrong. I just wonder if there is a team out there that will give him a shot.
We live in a world that if Vick could throw the ball half as good as Peyton there would be 25 teams beating themselves to sign him...Flat out.
It's Sad talent beats out morals in 2009 but that is just the way it is..
Vick is faster than hell..He signs somewhere doing something for millions of dollars...I promise you...
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Irenicum Sun, Aug 9, 2009 7:40:10pm |
re: #207 The Shadow Do
What if you marinate it in Guinness? Guinness makes everything better!
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DEZes Sun, Aug 9, 2009 7:40:21pm |
re: #205 Irenicum
I love that movie!
Same here, I went to the closet but was to lazy to search and popped in predator.
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Dark_Falcon Sun, Aug 9, 2009 7:40:38pm |
re: #206 VioletTiger
TO was talented, but too much of a distraction for the team. Glad he's no longer in Philly.
That why he's a nomad in the NFL. His talent leads team to want him, but after they've had for two seasons they find they can't stand him and send him on his way. He's the north end of a southbound horse.
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MandyManners Sun, Aug 9, 2009 7:41:14pm |
I was just rechecking The Kid's notes from school Friday and came across a diagram he drew. SCIENTIFIC METHOD: Observe, Ask a Question, Make a Prediction, Make a Plan, Follow the Plan, Record the Results, Try Again, Draw Conclusion.
Not bad for a fourth grade science class in a conservative, Evangelical church that teaches in chapel that God made it all. (Gotta' love his science teacher--she has a Ph.D. in neurobiology, an M.Ed. and a B.A. in comparative religion, and she's an Evangelical Christian. I've not asked her opinion of D.I. but, from what she's said so far, she wants the light of reason to lead the way on Earth.)
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Idle Drifter Sun, Aug 9, 2009 7:41:28pm |
re: #203 DEZes
I came real close to watching that movie tonight.
Here's the short version. Warning Heavy use of F-bombs.
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The Shadow Do Sun, Aug 9, 2009 7:41:44pm |
re: #212 Irenicum
What if you marinate it in Guinness? Guinness makes everything better!
I marinated myself in Guiness and it didn't help...
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Gus Sun, Aug 9, 2009 7:42:01pm |
Hello.
Is this where I can find the Perez Hilton, Hot Air, Little Green Footballs convergence?
//
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mich-again Sun, Aug 9, 2009 7:42:27pm |
Nice picture taken this afternoon of a Green frog that lives around the pond in our backyard.
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SteveC Sun, Aug 9, 2009 7:42:43pm |
re: #169 taxfreekiller
illegals from south american are heavy into chicken and dog fighting
gambling, drugs, and chicken and dogs fighting and it is very very sick
it is spreading nation wide now
Profile much?
Local news had a story on a dogfighting ring that was broken up last night. Twenty people, they all went in different directions but 7 of them weren't quite fast enough. One of the suspects arrested was a grandmother who tried to beat the cop off with her cane.
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CyanSnowHawk Sun, Aug 9, 2009 7:42:55pm |
re: #156 MandyManners
What kind of message does it send to kids when somone who KILLED animals is given another chance after he's spent a short time in prison?
Just about the same message that gets sent when any talented athlete gets a slap on the wrist for breaking the law. Money, fame, or talent will get you out of trouble if you are valuable to someone.
Paris Hilton backs into a car with her SUV leaves, no consequences.
Lindsey Lohan serves one day in jail for 2 DUI offenses.
Micheal Jackson buys his way out of prosecution for child molestation.
OJ gets away with murder.
The list goes on and on. I don't like it, you don't like it, I don't think anyone that believes in personal responsibility likes it.
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Irenicum Sun, Aug 9, 2009 7:43:40pm |
re: #217 The Shadow Do
Bet you were a little more tender afterwards!
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Sun, Aug 9, 2009 7:43:44pm |
Mark Sanford has stepped in it again.
[Link: www.foxnews.com...]
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livefreeor die Sun, Aug 9, 2009 7:44:02pm |
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DEZes Sun, Aug 9, 2009 7:44:30pm |
re: #216 Idle Drifter
Here's the short version. Warning Heavy use of F-bombs.
I invented the f-bomb..
Okay I made that up, but I am not timid about using it. :)
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swamprat Sun, Aug 9, 2009 7:44:35pm |
re: #123 Killgore Trout
It's actually a very light smoked flavor. If you mix green and dried bamboo it gives off a natural meat tenderizer. Very pleasant.
Just came in from planting some more bamboo. Couldn't come in right away because the sunset was doing a red and blue parfait with a few sprinkles of hummingbird, dove and songbird.
The dog barks at me if I don't watch.
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VioletTiger Sun, Aug 9, 2009 7:44:36pm |
re: #220 mich-again
Nice picture taken this afternoon of a Green frog that lives around the pond in our backyard.
Cute little guy. Bet he takes care of lots of bugs.
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revobob Sun, Aug 9, 2009 7:44:48pm |
re: #217 The Shadow Do
I marinated myself in Guiness and it didn't help...
Works best with the skin off...
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SteveC Sun, Aug 9, 2009 7:45:11pm |
re: #225 EmmmieG
Mark Sanford has stepped in it again.
The Honorable (?) Mr. Sanford doesn't just step in it, he pounds his foot down!
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Irenicum Sun, Aug 9, 2009 7:45:23pm |
re: #220 mich-again
Beautiful! But I have always liked frogs!
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DEZes Sun, Aug 9, 2009 7:46:26pm |
re: #232 Irenicum
Beautiful! But I have always liked frogs!
Tree frogs crack me up, suction cups for feet is just funny.
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SteveC Sun, Aug 9, 2009 7:46:36pm |
Makr Sanford thought he was going to get away with his affair. After all, you can't pin anything on a naked man!
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Crimsonfisted Sun, Aug 9, 2009 7:46:55pm |
re: #219 Charles
Moustache ride.
I think you have a little bit too much time on your hands! eww. We need to give you something to do, beside LGF.
And the rush through life video? I am 4 seconds into THAT video for real!! Oh my! Scary.
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mich-again Sun, Aug 9, 2009 7:46:58pm |
re: #229 VioletTiger
Cute little guy. Bet he takes care of lots of bugs.
I think (based on the size of the ear) that is a girl frog. I'm not sure what she eats but apparently its not mosquitoes.
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swamprat Sun, Aug 9, 2009 7:47:31pm |
re: #221 SteveC
Profile much?
Local news had a story on a dogfighting ring that was broken up last night. Twenty people, they all went in different directions but 7 of them weren't quite fast enough. One of the suspects arrested was a grandmother who tried to beat the cop off with her cane.
Now that's kinky!
Them old folks can still be players!
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The Shadow Do Sun, Aug 9, 2009 7:47:39pm |
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Dark_Falcon Sun, Aug 9, 2009 7:48:01pm |
re: #225 EmmmieG
Mark Sanford has stepped in it again.
[Link: www.foxnews.com...]
Could the South Carolina legislature please do the right thing and pitch this embarrassment out of office. He's a buffoon who uses government money to facilitate adultery and strings women along. Kick him out.
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Almost Killed by Space Hookers Sun, Aug 9, 2009 7:48:47pm |
Wow, and the climate BS goes on in two threads...
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Idle Drifter Sun, Aug 9, 2009 7:48:49pm |
re: #227 DEZes
I invented the f-bomb..
Okay I made that up, but I am not timid about using it. :)
I try to give a fair warning to all. Like the time I explained a "dead baby joke." That was a cold room.
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livefreeor die Sun, Aug 9, 2009 7:48:54pm |
re: #239 Dark_Falcon
Could the South Carolina legislature please do the right thing and pitch this embarrassment out of office. He's a buffoon who uses government money to facilitate adultery and strings women along. Kick him out.
And if they need suggestions on where they should kick him...
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Dark_Falcon Sun, Aug 9, 2009 7:49:02pm |
re: #234 SteveC
Makr Sanford thought he was going to get away with his affair. After all, you can't pin anything on a naked man!
Sure you can. It just hurts the naked man, that's all. >:D
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SteveC Sun, Aug 9, 2009 7:49:04pm |
re: #236 mich-again
I think (based on the size of the ear) that is a girl frog. I'm not sure what she eats but apparently its not mosquitoes.
Her (cuddling up close): Don't be scared, I'm all girl.
Me: I knew that when I saw your ears.
Her (Backing away): Take me home.
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Gus Sun, Aug 9, 2009 7:49:11pm |
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Almost Killed by Space Hookers Sun, Aug 9, 2009 7:49:29pm |
The BS being all manner of silliness about the science, not the threads themselves.
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Sun, Aug 9, 2009 7:50:04pm |
re: #246 Gus 802
Other UFO sightings:
Christopher Hitchens greets Paris Hilton
And another here.
He's thinking, "I can see right to the back of her skull."
Okay, that was mean. Bad Emmie!
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The Shadow Do Sun, Aug 9, 2009 7:50:46pm |
re: #239 Dark_Falcon
Could the South Carolina legislature please do the right thing and pitch this embarrassment out of office. He's a buffoon who uses government money to facilitate adultery and strings women along. Kick him out.
Sanford is beginning to describe "creepy"
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MandyManners Sun, Aug 9, 2009 7:51:13pm |
You have to scroll sideways, folks, to get the entire "oomph".
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DEZes Sun, Aug 9, 2009 7:51:16pm |
re: #242 Idle Drifter
I try to give a fair warning to all. Like the time I explained a "dead baby joke." That was a cold room.
Understand, that's only good decorum.
From now on you can just take it that I will not be offended.
But I appreciate your discretion.
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Gus Sun, Aug 9, 2009 7:51:57pm |
re: #249 EmmmieG
He's thinking, "I can see right to the back of her skull."
Okay, that was mean. Bad Emmie!
Maybe. Although I can probably "read" Hitchens' mind too in this case. ;)
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Killgore Trout Sun, Aug 9, 2009 7:52:16pm |
re: #228 swamprat
I've been growing clumping bamboo (Thamnocalamus tessellatus) For about 7 years. I couldn't live without the stuff. I cook with it, use it to build garden trellises. I even built a cat wheel out of the stuff. Hopefully my next house will have enough room to grow some of the larger running varieties.
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CyanSnowHawk Sun, Aug 9, 2009 7:52:24pm |
re: #234 SteveC
Makr Sanford thought he was going to get away with his affair. After all, you can't pin anything on a naked man!
I beg to differ.
/You have the internet, look it up.
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SteveC Sun, Aug 9, 2009 7:52:52pm |
re: #239 Dark_Falcon
Could the South Carolina legislature please do the right thing and pitch this embarrassment out of office. He's a buffoon who uses government money to facilitate adultery and strings women along. Kick him out.
The Republican control both houses here but are too busy fighting among themselves.They don't want Sanford to step down because that would give the Lt. Governor an advantage heading into our next election. The Democrats are being smart enough to sit back and let them all beat each other up.
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Killgore Trout Sun, Aug 9, 2009 7:52:59pm |
re: #252 MandyManners
You have to scroll sideways, folks, to get the entire "oomph".
Wow, I forgot about that one. Nice.
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Gus Sun, Aug 9, 2009 7:53:28pm |
re: #257 CyanSnowHawk
I beg to differ.
/You have the internet, look it up.
I haz internets!
//Welcome.
//You've got mail.
/
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SteveC Sun, Aug 9, 2009 7:54:03pm |
re: #251 The Shadow Do
Sanford is beginning to describe "creepy"
He's like the Classic Rock radio station. The hits just keep on coming!
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DEZes Sun, Aug 9, 2009 7:54:14pm |
re: #252 MandyManners
You have to scroll sideways, folks, to get the entire "oomph".
How can anyone not love APOD?
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livefreeor die Sun, Aug 9, 2009 7:54:27pm |
re: #257 CyanSnowHawk
I beg to differ.
/You have the internet, look it up.
Let's see-folsomstreetfair.com should do the trick.
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Irenicum Sun, Aug 9, 2009 7:54:29pm |
re: #252 MandyManners
Amazing! And gawgeous! I gotta get my NY on!
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Dancing along the light of day Sun, Aug 9, 2009 7:54:39pm |
DANG! I go on vacation & miss Bat boy meet Lizard Army!
Stay scaly, Lizards!
*waves*
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Dark_Falcon Sun, Aug 9, 2009 7:54:46pm |
re: #249 EmmmieG
He's thinking, "I can see right to the back of her skull."
Okay, that was mean. Bad Emmie!
He might think that but he won't say it. She's not worth his time in going after. I'm not going to call stupid though, because anyone who gets clubs to pay her six figures just to show up and party must have something figured out.
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Idle Drifter Sun, Aug 9, 2009 7:55:00pm |
re: #253 DEZes
Understand, that's only good decorum.
From now on you can just take it that I will not be offended.
But I appreciate your discretion.
Thanks, DEZes.
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Aye Pod Sun, Aug 9, 2009 7:55:41pm |
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SteveC Sun, Aug 9, 2009 7:56:30pm |
re: #257 CyanSnowHawk
I beg to differ.
/You have the internet, look it up.
I'm dating a woman who is about to be ordained a Presbyterian minister, so I try to stay away from that corner of the intertubes.
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CyanSnowHawk Sun, Aug 9, 2009 7:59:49pm |
re: #269 SteveC
I'm dating a woman who is about to be ordained a Presbyterian minister, so I try to stay away from that corner of the intertubes.
Good idea, you never know when one will clog and back up all over the laptop.
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Dr. Shalit Sun, Aug 9, 2009 8:02:27pm |
OK, Posit This - Hypothetically -
You are a Landlord, under current Immigration Law. You have a tenant who is an "illegal."
The tenant pays his rent, and except on "Sabadol" is rather quiet, even on Sabadol, he keeps it to a "Low Roar."
He has one problem, doesn't understand US law - to be more precise - local regulations -
regarding sub-lets - effectively contravening traditional Common Law on such matters, as well as COMMON SENSE.
Pray Tell - as Landlord, what do you do?
-S-
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swamprat Sun, Aug 9, 2009 8:02:38pm |
re: #256 Killgore Trout
I have three varieties. The first is actually a reed or grass I got from seed brushes. Then I found a huge (like up to inch and a half thick) variety, then some regular 3/4 inch bamboo. The bigger stuff looks like some that is known to be edible. Never thought of smoking it. Good ideas.
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Dark_Falcon Sun, Aug 9, 2009 8:02:50pm |
Just saw an anti-cap-and-taz ad on Animal Planet. Good data but it was too long and dry. Ads need to be short and catchy to be effective.
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SteveC Sun, Aug 9, 2009 8:04:22pm |
re: #274 Dark_Falcon
Just saw an anti-cap-and-taz ad on Animal Planet. Good data but it was too long and dry. Ads need to be short and catchy to be effective.
And on something besides Animal Planet, I would think. But if I understood advertising, I'd be gathering up the cash with a shovel.
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MrPaulRevere Sun, Aug 9, 2009 8:04:33pm |
re: #246 Gus 802
I can almost hear Hitchens thinking 'where is a burkha when you need one'?
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swamprat Sun, Aug 9, 2009 8:04:34pm |
re: #274 Dark_Falcon
Just saw an anti-cap-and-taz ad on Animal Planet. Good data but it was too long and dry. Ads need to be short and catchy to be effective.
Gore lied! Incomes died!
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Liberal Classic Sun, Aug 9, 2009 8:04:38pm |
Hey, you can't pick on Bat Boy anymore. He joined the Marines and served in Iraq and Afghanistan.
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avanti Sun, Aug 9, 2009 8:04:55pm |
re: #241 LudwigVanQuixote
Wow, and the climate BS goes on in two threads...
I'll tell you what, if any of my leftie friends start to talk about "ignorant" conservatives, I'll refer them to the AGW threads. There is a great deal of intelligent discussion going on and more than a few Lizards have done their home work.
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DEZes Sun, Aug 9, 2009 8:06:52pm |
re: #267 Idle Drifter
Thanks, DEZes.
Your welcome,
Lizards, my bailout check has not came in.
So I must get ready for work in the morning.
Thanks for being great company and good night.
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Racer X Sun, Aug 9, 2009 8:07:13pm |
re: #279 avanti
I'll tell you what, if any of my leftie friends start to talk about "ignorant" conservatives, I'll refer them to the AGW threads. There is a great deal of intelligent discussion going on and more than a few Lizards have done their home work.
Have we come to a consensus yet?
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swamprat Sun, Aug 9, 2009 8:07:44pm |
re: #269 SteveC
I'm dating a woman who is about to be ordained a Presbyterian ministress, so I try to stay away from that corner of the intertubes.
All fixed.
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Dark_Falcon Sun, Aug 9, 2009 8:07:56pm |
re: #276 MrPaulRevere
I can almost hear Hitchens thinking 'where is a burkha when you need one'?
Nah. She's not ugly, just vacuous. She's fine as eye candy.
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Digital Display Sun, Aug 9, 2009 8:08:00pm |
Congrad's the Bullet Bob Hayes for his election into the Hall of Fame...
Lie Collingsworth said tonight..What do you do when you are lined up against the fastest man on the Planet? 5 yards- 10 yards deep?
It's going to be a long afternoon... Congrad's Mr. Hayes...The world's fastest man
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Gus Sun, Aug 9, 2009 8:08:11pm |
re: #280 DEZes
Your welcome,
Lizards, my bailout check has not came in.
So I must get ready for work in the morning.
Thanks for being great company and good night.
The check is in the mail!
Later DEZ.
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revobob Sun, Aug 9, 2009 8:08:40pm |
re: #272 Dr. Shalit
OK, Posit This - Hypothetically -
You are a Landlord, under current Immigration Law. You have a tenant who is an "illegal."
The tenant pays his rent, and except on "Sabadol" is rather quiet, even on Sabadol, he keeps it to a "Low Roar."
He has one problem, doesn't understand US law - to be more precise - local regulations -
regarding sub-lets - effectively contravening traditional Common Law on such matters, as well as COMMON SENSE.
Pray Tell - as Landlord, what do you do?Well, how easy/ hard is it to replace him as a tenant? Your hypothetical refers to three violations of US laws, so if the tenant can be readily replaced that would probably be the smartest thing to do. If he is violating sub-let laws, who else is living there, what are they doing that may cause the landlord legal problems. If their low roar results in burning the plae down, will the insurance cover since the landlord knew the tenant is illegal?-S-
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MandyManners Sun, Aug 9, 2009 8:08:53pm |
re: #252 MandyManners
You have to scroll sideways, folks, to get the entire "oomph".
Whenever I see this photograph, the song "How Great thou Art" plays in my head.
(My church is a cappella and I'd love to find such a version on YouTube.)
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MandyManners Sun, Aug 9, 2009 8:09:52pm |
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Dark_Falcon Sun, Aug 9, 2009 8:10:04pm |
re: #281 Racer X
Have we come to a consensus yet?
Yes: Everyone but avanti agreed to the need to ban unicorn farts.
///
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Irenicum Sun, Aug 9, 2009 8:10:23pm |
re: #283 Dark_Falcon
Agreed. Very attractive. But not much happening aside from that.
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Gus Sun, Aug 9, 2009 8:10:38pm |
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SteveC Sun, Aug 9, 2009 8:11:41pm |
re: #291 Dark_Falcon
Yes: Everyone but avanti agreed to the need to ban unicorn farts.
///
That won't do a damn thing to positively affect Global Warming! We can probably get a stimulus check for it.
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Dr. Shalit Sun, Aug 9, 2009 8:11:50pm |
re: #279 avanti
I'll tell you what, if any of my leftie friends start to talk about "ignorant" conservatives, I'll refer them to the AGW threads. There is a great deal of intelligent discussion going on and more than a few Lizards have done their home work.
Avanti -
At the time PLANT life had its Apogee - the Carbon Dioxide Concentration in the Atmosphere is about THREE (3) TIMES what it is today. Go from there, Plant a Tree, Luxuriate in its Shade as it Grows, breathing that "CRUD" that Humans call Carbon Dioxide.
Refresh it as well with Di-Hydrogen Monoxide - a/k/a WATER! Quite enough tonight for apostasy, eh 'wot?
-S-
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Dark_Falcon Sun, Aug 9, 2009 8:12:04pm |
re: #286 revobob
Agreed. If its an illegal sub-let, have them evicted. Don't even bring up their immigration status. They broke the rules and thus broke their lease.
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Dark_Falcon Sun, Aug 9, 2009 8:14:31pm |
re: #294 SteveC
That won't do a damn thing to positively affect Global Warming! We can probably get a stimulus check for it.
That's all I want it to do. ;)
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Digital Display Sun, Aug 9, 2009 8:14:58pm |
re: #292 Irenicum
Agreed. Very attractive. But not much happening aside from that.
Thank Gawd Nobody here has ever seen the Paris Hilton Sex Tape on the Internet...That would be embarrassing...
/
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avanti Sun, Aug 9, 2009 8:15:06pm |
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avanti Sun, Aug 9, 2009 8:16:12pm |
re: #291 Dark_Falcon
Yes: Everyone but avanti agreed to the need to ban unicorn farts.
///
But they smell so sweet.
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Gus Sun, Aug 9, 2009 8:16:48pm |
re: #299 Bobblehead
Pretty little Lady Bugs. That was nice.
Yeah, tough little things too. I usually grab 'em and toss them out the patio door -- they go airborne from there.
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Dark_Falcon Sun, Aug 9, 2009 8:17:08pm |
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shiplord kirel Sun, Aug 9, 2009 8:17:22pm |
Well, looky here:
Lib orgs busted recruiting protestors on Craiglist.
While the media pointed their hypocritical fingers at town hall meeting protesters for supposedly being organized by conservative backers, they've conveniently ignored an aggressive recruiting campaign by liberal organizations looking to help President Obama get his agenda through Congress.
Take for example the following advertisement placed at the online website Craiglist for New York City Monday (h/t Patrick Ruffini):**TALENTED LEADERS needed to work for health care reform $11-16/hour**
One thing I like about Newsbusters (among many): They know that "media" is plural.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Sun, Aug 9, 2009 8:18:52pm |
Hey Night Lizards! It's a hot one in Near Iowa tonite.
Am watching Grindhouse with the kid. He seems to be enjoying the opening scene with Rose McGowan dancing around the pole. Although he would never admit it to his mother. --heh
How are you-all and what are we talking about?
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Dark_Falcon Sun, Aug 9, 2009 8:19:54pm |
re: #305 shiplord kirel
Well, looky here:
Lib orgs busted recruiting protestors on Craiglist.One thing I like about Newsbusters (among many): They know that "media" is plural.
I'd say that Obamacare's media image just blew an ankle on the astroturf.
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Gus Sun, Aug 9, 2009 8:20:18pm |
re: #306 Irenicum
Very cool!
You ever seen that up close. I haven't although I'm nearby where that was taped. I've seen cicada swarms back east.
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revobob Sun, Aug 9, 2009 8:20:25pm |
re: #307 ggt
Hey Night Lizards! It's a hot one in Near Iowa tonite.
Am watching Grindhouse with the kid. He seems to be enjoying the opening scene with Rose McGowan dancing around the pole. Although he would never admit it to his mother. --heh
How are you-all and what are we talking about?
Squashed hatchlings, unicorn farts, bamboo, and Paris Hilton sex videos...
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Gretchen G.Tiger Sun, Aug 9, 2009 8:20:27pm |
re: #308 Irenicum
Rose McGowan? That will make me rent it!
It's a Tarantino/Rodriquez collaboration. I totally enjoyed it, but it's not for the faint of heart.
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Mich-again Sun, Aug 9, 2009 8:21:00pm |
re: #295 Dr. Shalit
Plants are supposed to be the natural correction factor for the extra CO2 but we are deforesting the planet and the deserts keep creeping.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Sun, Aug 9, 2009 8:21:32pm |
I've put on my mental check-list to read the healthcare bills in the House and Senate this week. Well, peruse them.
Feel for me Lizards!
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swamprat Sun, Aug 9, 2009 8:21:56pm |
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Gretchen G.Tiger Sun, Aug 9, 2009 8:21:58pm |
re: #313 Mich-again
Plants are supposed to be the natural correction factor for the extra CO2 but we are deforesting the planet and the deserts keep creeping.
desertification does bother me. How do you combat it? Plant trees on the edges?
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Dark_Falcon Sun, Aug 9, 2009 8:22:05pm |
re: #308 Irenicum
Rose McGowan? That will make me rent it!
She's in both Grindhouse movies. So is Quintin Tarentino. In Planet Terror his character dies and in Death Proof her character dies. Both are worth watching for fun.
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Digital Display Sun, Aug 9, 2009 8:22:33pm |
re: #307 ggt
Hey Night Lizards! It's a hot one in Near Iowa tonite.
Am watching Grindhouse with the kid. He seems to be enjoying the opening scene with Rose McGowan dancing around the pole. Although he would never admit it to his mother. --heh
How are you-all and what are we talking about?
Hey you! Nice seeing you this hot summer night...
/Which beats the hell out of saying nice seeing you but there is 12 inches of snow in the driveway...I hate those posts...
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Gretchen G.Tiger Sun, Aug 9, 2009 8:22:40pm |
re: #317 Dark_Falcon
She's in both Grindhouse movies. So is Quintin Tarentino. In Planet Terror his character dies and in Death Proof her character dies. Both are worth watching for fun.
Good laughs too!
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Gretchen G.Tiger Sun, Aug 9, 2009 8:22:59pm |
re: #318 HoosierHoops
Hey you! Nice seeing you this hot summer night...
/Which beats the hell out of saying nice seeing you but there is 12 inches of snow in the driveway...I hate those posts...
I'd rather have the 12 inches of snow.
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Irenicum Sun, Aug 9, 2009 8:24:26pm |
re: #310 Gus 802
Me too on the Cicadas. I remember thousands (prob. millions) on Staten Island. Never seen the swarm of ladybugs though. It'd be cool to experience.
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swamprat Sun, Aug 9, 2009 8:24:41pm |
re: #281 Racer X
Have we come to a consensus yet?
Absolutely. Both sides agree that their opponents are lying, deceitful idiots.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Sun, Aug 9, 2009 8:25:09pm |
re: #321 Irenicum
Me too on the Cicadas. I remember thousands (prob. millions) on Staten Island. Never seen the swarm of ladybugs though. It'd be cool to experience.
Ladybugs are a PITA!!! They haven't been that bad the last couple of years, but there was a time when we were vacuuming them off the walls and ceilings.
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revobob Sun, Aug 9, 2009 8:25:12pm |
re: #316 ggt
desertification does bother me. How do you combat it? Plant trees on the edges?
That is at best a temporary help, because getting the trees to survive is expensive and difficult- they need water, and most areas where desertification is happening don't offer much economic leverage to invite the investment.
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Mich-again Sun, Aug 9, 2009 8:25:58pm |
re: #316 ggt
desertification does bother me. How do you combat it? Plant trees on the edges?
China is the forefront of the battle. They have tried everything you could imagine.
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Digital Display Sun, Aug 9, 2009 8:27:06pm |
re: #320 ggt
I'd rather have the 12 inches of snow.
What?
We are finalizing the GPS Coordinates to your house for the Tomahawk Missle... Just for safety sake would you mind standing outside with your Cell phone? The higher you hold it the better...
*wink*
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formercorpsman Sun, Aug 9, 2009 8:27:50pm |
re: #305 shiplord kirel
Ship I have been reading up on that now for about an hour.
Nice ad in the Philadelphia Craigslist for the same thing as well.
It seems obvious who is paying these people, but there is going to be a money trail somewhere with this.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Sun, Aug 9, 2009 8:27:58pm |
re: #324 revobob
That is at best a temporary help, because getting the trees to survive is expensive and difficult- they need water, and most areas where desertification is happening don't offer much economic leverage to invite the investment.
I know that the trees put down deep roots and their offspring and dead leaves contribute to create soil. As I understand it, it doesn't take all that long for them to help create non-desert --20 years? So it seems that the investment is relatively short-term and the eventual output would be lucrative --if eventually --50 years, farmland is the result.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Sun, Aug 9, 2009 8:28:26pm |
re: #327 HoosierHoops
What?
We are finalizing the GPS Coordinates to your house for the Tomahawk Missle... Just for safety sake would you mind standing outside with your Cell phone? The higher you hold it the better...
*wink*
I don't do heat --at all.
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Irenicum Sun, Aug 9, 2009 8:28:29pm |
Rose McGowan is smokin' hot. She's really smart too. I love her reviews of movies on TMC (?)
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Dark_Falcon Sun, Aug 9, 2009 8:29:01pm |
re: #326 Mich-again
China is the forefront of the battle. They have tried everything you could imagine.
I'm not sure what they can do to stop the Gobi. It been advancing for well over a thousand years.
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Killgore Trout Sun, Aug 9, 2009 8:29:26pm |
re: #317 Dark_Falcon
She's in both Grindhouse movies. So is Quintin Tarentino. In Planet Terror his character dies and in Death Proof her character dies. Both are worth watching for fun.
I loved both those movies. Planet Terror was brilliant. Charles linked to the final scene of Death Proof earlier today...
I was literally on my feet for the last 1o minutes of the movie.
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The Shadow Do Sun, Aug 9, 2009 8:29:47pm |
re: #284 HoosierHoops
Congrad's the Bullet Bob Hayes for his election into the Hall of Fame...
Lie Collingsworth said tonight..What do you do when you are lined up against the fastest man on the Planet? 5 yards- 10 yards deep?
It's going to be a long afternoon... Congrad's Mr. Hayes...The world's fastest man
Waaay overdue.
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Gus Sun, Aug 9, 2009 8:29:53pm |
re: #321 Irenicum
Me too on the Cicadas. I remember thousands (prob. millions) on Staten Island. Never seen the swarm of ladybugs though. It'd be cool to experience.
Was odd to see the cicadas in such numbers. Especially since they're so hard to see under normal circumstances other than hearing them in summer. I remember seeing perhaps millions as you suggest in New Jersey.
We have some here in Colorado although they're a different variety. I know an acquaintance that can't hear them -- I think his higher frequency hearing is shot. He even refuses to believe that there are any in Colorado but there are:
[Link: www.ext.colostate.edu...]
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Dr. Shalit Sun, Aug 9, 2009 8:30:19pm |
re: #302 avanti
But they smell so sweet.
avanti -
'Yo "Stude" - you NAILED it again. You (We?) are dealing with folks who get into a snit about "smelly" or "coarse" stuff. Sorry, all'y'all - the world IS at times COARSE and SMELLY.
Better that than Human life being as BRUTAL and SHORT as it was in the 19th Century C.E. - A Century that REEKED of the SMELL of Horse Manure,as well as the COARSENESS of Wars for Resources (a/k/a Imperialism), and to which technology we would be consigned under the "Snit Folks." 'Nuff Said?
-S-
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Aye Pod Sun, Aug 9, 2009 8:30:27pm |
re: #293 Gus 802
I wish I could remember why I know what they taste like. Must be something my brain has repressed for good reason.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Sun, Aug 9, 2009 8:31:48pm |
re: #326 Mich-again
China is the forefront of the battle. They have tried everything you could imagine.
I know there was some concern about the planet (well, humans) needing the trees to produce oxygen. Do you know where we stand on that?
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Gus Sun, Aug 9, 2009 8:31:55pm |
re: #339 Jimmah
I wish I could remember why I know what they taste like. Must be something my brain has repressed for good reason.
You mean from when you were a child? Maybe so. :)
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Killgore Trout Sun, Aug 9, 2009 8:32:06pm |
Grindhouse: Planet Terror Knife Fighting Scene
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Irenicum Sun, Aug 9, 2009 8:32:12pm |
re: #336 Gus 802
My sister has an abiding phobia of them. Scares the shit out of her!
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Aye Pod Sun, Aug 9, 2009 8:32:14pm |
re: #334 Killgore Trout
I loved both those movies. Planet Terror was brilliant. Charles linked to the final scene of Death Proof earlier today...
I was literally on my feet for the last 1o minutes of the movie.
Genius.
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Dr. Shalit Sun, Aug 9, 2009 8:32:33pm |
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Dark_Falcon Sun, Aug 9, 2009 8:33:00pm |
re: #334 Killgore Trout
I loved both those movies. Planet Terror was brilliant. Charles linked to the final scene of Death Proof earlier today...
[Video]I was literally on my feet for the last 1o minutes of the movie.
I like Death Proof as well, though I still cannot get entirely past the utter foolishness of the girls chasing after Stuntman Mike. Very bad idea to give chase to a criminal unless you're a cop. If you actually do catch and kill him, its Murder 2.
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Sharmuta Sun, Aug 9, 2009 8:33:49pm |
re: #346 Bat Boy
What can I say? I like it here... I lurk, there for I am.
This was a thread just screaming for your presence.
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MittDoesNotCompute Sun, Aug 9, 2009 8:34:40pm |
re: #347 Dark_Falcon
I like Death Proof as well, though I still cannot get entirely past the utter foolishness of the girls chasing after Stuntman Mike. Very bad idea to give chase to a criminal unless you're a cop. If you actually do catch and kill him, its Murder 2.
Don't inject logic into a movie plot...it kills the fun (which Death Proof is).
///don't harsh my mellow ;-P
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Digital Display Sun, Aug 9, 2009 8:34:58pm |
re: #331 ggt
I don't do heat --at all.
LOL
Born and Raised in California...I had no idea it could get so frigging cold in Indiana..I'm still not use to the whole idea of half the year it is frigging hell mode yet..What The Heck was i thinking?
/At least they love ball here...Otherwise...:)
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Gus Sun, Aug 9, 2009 8:35:00pm |
re: #343 Irenicum
My sister has an abiding phobia of them. Scares the shit out of her!
Really? I wonder why. I always thought they looked like little boats.
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revobob Sun, Aug 9, 2009 8:35:06pm |
re: #329 ggt
I know that the trees put down deep roots and their offspring and dead leaves contribute to create soil. As I understand it, it doesn't take all that long for them to help create non-desert --20 years? So it seems that the investment is relatively short-term and the eventual output would be lucrative --if eventually --50 years, farmland is the result.
I believe the problem is more complicated (although last climatology course was 40 years ago) before there is usually atmospheric circulatory change involved. If you can't get rain to fall there it will likely never be great farmland. As Mich said, China is trying lots of approaches, and they may well have the most resources and motivation to find answers. I hope they do, because that would probably reduce population pressures that may fuel expansionism in the future.
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avanti Sun, Aug 9, 2009 8:35:35pm |
re: #305 shiplord kirel
Well, looky here:
Lib orgs busted recruiting protestors on Craiglist.One thing I like about Newsbusters (among many): They know that "media" is plural.
I don't know if anyone was "busted". I could post a ad like that on Craig's list, anyone can. The link goes to a lobbying group similar to ones the health insurance companies use on the other side of the argument. That's assuming the ad is not a plant, just like the one that pointed to the National Guard "interment" jobs.
Here's the link the real or planted Craig's list goes to.
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shiplord kirel Sun, Aug 9, 2009 8:35:44pm |
re: #346 Bat Boy
What can I say? I like it here... I lurk, there for I am.
Excellent! I wish I had been the one to invent discover you while I was working at WWN. My specialties were UFOs, Bigfoot, and old ships/planes/cars being found in odd places (a B-24 on Mars, for example).
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Aye Pod Sun, Aug 9, 2009 8:36:30pm |
re: #347 Dark_Falcon
I like Death Proof as well, though I still cannot get entirely past the utter foolishness of the girls chasing after Stuntman Mike. Very bad idea to give chase to a criminal unless you're a cop. If you actually do catch and kill him, its Murder 2.
It's thinking like that that stopped you from being Quentin Tarantino.
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Irenicum Sun, Aug 9, 2009 8:36:33pm |
re: #334 Killgore Trout
Holy shit! I finally watched it. Kick ass definitely defines that scene!
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Mich-again Sun, Aug 9, 2009 8:37:20pm |
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Irenicum Sun, Aug 9, 2009 8:38:43pm |
re: #352 Gus 802
I think it's the noise they make. That, and my brothers who pretty much tortured her. She's a little emotional.
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shiplord kirel Sun, Aug 9, 2009 8:39:22pm |
re: #354 avanti
I don't know if anyone was "busted". I could post a ad like that on Craig's list, anyone can. The link goes to a lobbying group similar to ones the health insurance companies use on the other side of the argument. That's assuming the ad is not a plant, just like the one that pointed to the National Guard "interment" jobs.
Here's the link the real or planted Craig's list goes to.
Newsbusters' point is that only one side is being pilloried for this in the media. The linked group looks legit, btw.
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Gus Sun, Aug 9, 2009 8:40:52pm |
re: #359 Irenicum
I think it's the noise they make. That, and my brothers who pretty much tortured her. She's a little emotional.
Yeah, they sort of have that "built in" 50s sci-fi sound to them. ;)
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Dark_Falcon Sun, Aug 9, 2009 8:41:13pm |
re: #356 Jimmah
It's thinking like that that stopped you from being Quentin Tarantino.
Very true. I'm a cautious, conservative soul and I'm happy that way.
Adventure: Somebody else in deep trouble far, far, away.
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solomonpanting Sun, Aug 9, 2009 8:41:49pm |
From the link:
ATTACK OF THE 50 FT. PALIN
Now that would be a tall drink of water.
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shiplord kirel Sun, Aug 9, 2009 8:42:35pm |
"Astroturfing" is a disgusting and frankly un-American practice but with Washington long since overrun by paid lobbyists, there is little point in trying to stop the same thing at the grassroots level.
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formercorpsman Sun, Aug 9, 2009 8:42:58pm |
re: #354 avanti
It is the hypocrisy Avanti. I know you know that.
High ranking folks in elected office pointing fingers, and accusing the opposition of not protesting in earnest. A big scheme if you will.
Well, this is organized from the other side.
Double standard in the least.
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Pianobuff Sun, Aug 9, 2009 8:43:25pm |
re: #363 solomonpanting
From the link:
ATTACK OF THE 50 FT. PALIN
Now that would be a tall drink of water.
... but she could see Minsk from her backyard...ta-da-duh.
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Irenicum Sun, Aug 9, 2009 8:43:28pm |
re: #361 Gus 802
And my siblings all grew up on that. Definitely plays with your head.
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Dark_Falcon Sun, Aug 9, 2009 8:44:12pm |
re: #366 formercorpsman
It is the hypocrisy Avanti. I know you know that.
High ranking folks in elected office pointing fingers, and accusing the opposition of not protesting in earnest. A big scheme if you will.
Well, this is organized from the other side.
Double standard in the least.
True but we all know the left has no shame. They acknowledge no rules save those that help them win.
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Dr. Shalit Sun, Aug 9, 2009 8:44:55pm |
re: #358 Mich-again
Mich-again -
SEE - Israel - Read Up on Keren Ami, and the Jewish National Fund. When I barely knew the difference between Boys and Girls, I was putting pennies into the Blue and White Box to plant trees in Israel.
Was also "hustling" for UNICEF on Halloween, with the Orange and Black Milk Carton Like box. As I grew up BOTH were considered ways to accomplish "Tikun Olam."
I would prefer that BOTH were and COULD be considered such today.
-S-
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formercorpsman Sun, Aug 9, 2009 8:46:15pm |
re: #370 Dark_Falcon
The group that is placing the ad for this employment?
[Link: www.thedailybeast.com...]
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Irenicum Sun, Aug 9, 2009 8:46:52pm |
re: #367 Pianobuff
Hey, while I've got you. Thanks for that flying human squirrels link. It's my fav. that I've shown to many friends. And they're all blown away!
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solomonpanting Sun, Aug 9, 2009 8:46:58pm |
re: #367 Pianobuff
... but she could see Minsk from her backyard...ta-da-duh.
Even when seated on her AlasCan.
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Racer X Sun, Aug 9, 2009 8:47:43pm |
Republicans are terrorists! Just like Hamas!
Olberman can suck my (_)*(_)
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Dark_Falcon Sun, Aug 9, 2009 8:48:48pm |
re: #372 formercorpsman
The group that is placing the ad for this employment?
[Link: www.thedailybeast.com...]
Nasty. More vile leftist hypocrisy in full bloom. They talk about making things better for employees while treating their employees like dirt.
/spits
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formercorpsman Sun, Aug 9, 2009 8:48:58pm |
re: #372 formercorpsman
The last paragraph in that link...
In a separate case in 2006, the office of the Labor Commissioner of the State of California determined that the Fund had denied rest breaks to a worker, awarding a cash payment. The Fund subsequently changed its policies to provide overtime pay. In 2009, it agreed to settle the class-action suit.
How nice of them. Funny, I thought that just might be a law one of the groups they support, might have lobbied for at one time.
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Pianobuff Sun, Aug 9, 2009 8:49:16pm |
re: #364 shiplord kirel
"Astroturfing" is a disgusting and frankly un-American practice but with Washington long since overrun by paid lobbyists, there is little point in trying to stop the same thing at the grassroots level.
I wish I could remember the name of the book I read since it's been a few years. It's a volume on American Political History. The author's main thesis is that if we think that today's systems that shape and manage political thought are corrupt, we are fooling ourselves. Examples from media (e.g. newspapers were pretty much overtly politically biased without apology. Community organization was a rough and tumble business. In fact, the author goes to some length to point out that the advent of so-called "unbiased journalism" is a relatively new venture with some inherent flaws.
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Aye Pod Sun, Aug 9, 2009 8:49:37pm |
Speaking of Tarantino, Inglourious Basterds is opening very soon:
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Pianobuff Sun, Aug 9, 2009 8:50:09pm |
re: #373 Irenicum
Hey, while I've got you. Thanks for that flying human squirrels link. It's my fav. that I've shown to many friends. And they're all blown away!
No prob. I thought it was a hoot too. Wouldn't catch me doing that though. Scaredy-cat.
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Dr. Shalit Sun, Aug 9, 2009 8:50:18pm |
re: #375 Racer X
Racer X -
All'y'all mean KEITH OLBERMAN, of the show "Countdown to Cancellation?"
Just Wondering. That is all.
-S-
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Dark_Falcon Sun, Aug 9, 2009 8:50:34pm |
re: #375 Racer X
Republicans are terrorists! Just like Hamas!
Olberman can suck my (_)*(_)
Are you crazy, RacerX. You want that diseased, filthy mouth on anything of yours. Said better:
Oldermann can take his screed and shove it where only Barney Frank will find it.
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shiplord kirel Sun, Aug 9, 2009 8:50:35pm |
re: #375 Racer X
Republicans are terrorists! Just like Hamas!
Olberman can suck my (_)*(_)
I'll believe that when some gang of rednecks starts lobbing rockets into Berkeley and James Inhofe votes them money to pay for it.
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Irenicum Sun, Aug 9, 2009 8:50:44pm |
re: #379 Jimmah
Can't wait! I really need to see Nazis killed!
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yochanan Sun, Aug 9, 2009 8:50:49pm |
re: #291 Dark_Falcon
YOU SHOULD LIGHT UNICORN FARTS. they glow in the dark
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SteveC Sun, Aug 9, 2009 8:51:49pm |
HERO ALERT!
Rangers lead the way! - even after death
"How can you have a better heart?" said a grateful Judy Meikle, 57, of Winnetka, Ill., who is still recovering from the surgery. "I have the heart of a 21-year-old Army Ranger war hero beating in me."
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Walter L. Newton Sun, Aug 9, 2009 8:53:06pm |
I've actually been reading through the health care proposals and it is a real eye opener. Some highlights and my opinions on it.
1) There are a lot of title and sections that are extensions of current programs that already allow the government to intrude on our private lives. You just don't know how intrusive their CURRENT reach is. One of the clever aspects of this proposal is the gathering of already existing health care material that reside in Social Security and other Federal programs and giving them a more intrusive nature by locking them into this new proposed bill.
2) There are sections in this proposal that can amend and change existing titles and sections in existing bills (such as changes and amendments to Social Security). That's like holding a constitutional convention without ever bringing the constitution into the proceedings.
3) There is a whole section on taxing private health care benefits. And, if this section is retained, it will certainly make it more and more expensive over the years for any employer to offer private health insurance or for an American citizen to retain their own private health insurance. This proposed bill is a direct hit on all aspects of the private health care business.
4) A very large part of this proposal, a major title in the proposed bill, will set up a Federal Health Care Corp (doctors, nurses, administration personal, health care clinics etc.) that will be in direct competition with private health care industry. And, having the Federal government behind this Federal Health Care Corp, there is no way the private health care industry will be able to compete against all the government propped up parts of this programs. This Federal Health Care Corp will have massive rights to intrude into many aspects of daily life, both private citizens and private business, in order to fulfill their stated mission.
5) In general, this proposal does absolutely nothing to prevent the eventual demise of the private health care industry. The creation alone of the Federal Health Care Corps would be equivalent to private industry trying to set up a competing military force, they may be able to do it better, but it will never happen.
6) There is NOTHING in the bill that prevents the creation of a single payer government health care system. For a matter of fact, almost everything I've read so far in this proposal is designed to facilitate that final goal.
7) This proposal didn't appear out of thin air. It is well thought out and it's titles and sections are well constructed legalese, with one final goal in mind. The total Federal control of health services and your personal health concerns.
Read this thing, you'll be a step ahead of most of the politicians that claim to represent you. Truth to knowledge, use it.
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Kreuzueber Halbmond Sun, Aug 9, 2009 8:54:01pm |
The birds are planting hackberries - sometimes on my car. The squirrels are planting oaks and pecans on the former Texas Coastal Prairie. They are oxygenating our world. We will survive.
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Dark_Falcon Sun, Aug 9, 2009 8:56:18pm |
re: #389 Walter L. Newton
I've actually been reading through the health care proposals and it is a real eye opener. Some highlights and my opinions on it.
1) There are a lot of title and sections that are extensions of current programs that already allow the government to intrude on our private lives. You just don't know how intrusive their CURRENT reach is. One of the clever aspects of this proposal is the gathering of already existing health care material that reside in Social Security and other Federal programs and giving them a more intrusive nature by locking them into this new proposed bill.
2) There are sections in this proposal that can amend and change existing titles and sections in existing bills (such as changes and amendments to Social Security). That's like holding a constitutional convention without ever bringing the constitution into the proceedings.
3) There is a whole section on taxing private health care benefits. And, if this section is retained, it will certainly make it more and more expensive over the years for any employer to offer private health insurance or for an American citizen to retain their own private health insurance. This proposed bill is a direct hit on all aspects of the private health care business.
4) A very large part of this proposal, a major title in the proposed bill, will set up a Federal Health Care Corp (doctors, nurses, administration personal, health care clinics etc.) that will be in direct competition with private health care industry. And, having the Federal government behind this Federal Health Care Corp, there is no way the private health care industry will be able to compete against all the government propped up parts of this programs. This Federal Health Care Corp will have massive rights to intrude into many aspects of daily life, both private citizens and private business, in order to fulfill their stated mission.
5) In general, this proposal does absolutely nothing to prevent the eventual demise of the private health care industry. The creation alone of the Federal Health Care Corps would be equivalent to private industry trying to set up a competing military force, they may be able to do it better, but it will never happen.
6) There is NOTHING in the bill that prevents the creation of a single payer government health care system. For a matter of fact, almost everything I've read so far in this proposal is designed to facilitate that final goal.
7) This proposal didn't appear out of thin air. It is well thought out and it's titles and sections are well constructed legalese, with one final goal in mind. The total Federal control of health services and your personal health concerns.
Read this thing, you'll be a step ahead of most of the politicians that claim to represent you. Truth to knowledge, use it.
Updinged and favorited. That comment deserves it own thread! Well done, Walter!
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Killian Bundy Sun, Aug 9, 2009 8:57:00pm |
re: #365 Yankee Division Son
Deficit grew by $181 billion... in July
Geithner Asks Congress to Increase Federal Debt Limit
"It is critically important that Congress act before the limit is reached so that citizens and investors here and around the world can remain confident that the United States will always meet its obligations," Mr. Geithner said in a letter to lawmakers.
Mr. Geithner said the that it is "clearly a moment in our history" that requires support from both Democrats and Republicans for the increase.
"Congress has never failed to raise the debt limit when necessary," Mr. Geithner said.
The non-partisan Congressional Budget Office said Thursday the federal government's budget deficit reached $1.3 trillion through the first ten months of fiscal 2009, on track to reach a record high of $1.8 trillion for the 12-month period.
/and when the Chinese stop buying our debt?
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Aye Pod Sun, Aug 9, 2009 8:57:49pm |
re: #385 Irenicum
Can't wait! I really need to see Nazis killed!
Same here. Nazis being killed by American jews. I don't think I've seen anyone do the well deserved killing thing as enjoyably as Tarantino.
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Gus Sun, Aug 9, 2009 8:57:52pm |
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realwest Sun, Aug 9, 2009 8:58:20pm |
re: #389 Walter L. Newton
Hi Walter! Great comment. I know there's a section on Medicare (with which I have a vested interest, but it is somewhat difficult to understand because of cross references and etc.) Does the Federal Health Care Corp get involded with Medicare, replace it, supplement it, what - do you know?
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MandyManners Sun, Aug 9, 2009 8:58:25pm |
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yochanan Sun, Aug 9, 2009 8:58:36pm |
re: #375 Racer X
Republicans are terrorists! Just like Hamas!
Olberman can suck my (_)*(_)
racer x he can do yours i wouldn't let him anywere near mine
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Yankee Division Son Sun, Aug 9, 2009 8:59:32pm |
re: #394 Killian Bundy
/and when the Chinese stop buying our debt?
We're basically screwed. Credit is a wonderful thing, but sooner or later, the bill comes due.
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SteveC Sun, Aug 9, 2009 8:59:33pm |
re: #398 MandyManners
Oh, dear. Beyond words.
Thank you for posting that, Steve.
I am glad the article says the young man rests at Arlington. If he didn't, I'd dig him up myself and get him there.
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Pianobuff Sun, Aug 9, 2009 8:59:48pm |
re: #389 Walter L. Newton
I've actually been reading through the health care proposals and it is a real eye opener. Some highlights and my opinions on it.
1) There are a lot of title and sections that are extensions of current programs that already allow the government to intrude on our private lives. You just don't know how intrusive their CURRENT reach is. One of the clever aspects of this proposal is the gathering of already existing health care material that reside in Social Security and other Federal programs and giving them a more intrusive nature by locking them into this new proposed bill.
2) There are sections in this proposal that can amend and change existing titles and sections in existing bills (such as changes and amendments to Social Security). That's like holding a constitutional convention without ever bringing the constitution into the proceedings.
3) There is a whole section on taxing private health care benefits. And, if this section is retained, it will certainly make it more and more expensive over the years for any employer to offer private health insurance or for an American citizen to retain their own private health insurance. This proposed bill is a direct hit on all aspects of the private health care business.
4) A very large part of this proposal, a major title in the proposed bill, will set up a Federal Health Care Corp (doctors, nurses, administration personal, health care clinics etc.) that will be in direct competition with private health care industry. And, having the Federal government behind this Federal Health Care Corp, there is no way the private health care industry will be able to compete against all the government propped up parts of this programs. This Federal Health Care Corp will have massive rights to intrude into many aspects of daily life, both private citizens and private business, in order to fulfill their stated mission.
5) In general, this proposal does absolutely nothing to prevent the eventual demise of the private health care industry. The creation alone of the Federal Health Care Corps would be equivalent to private industry trying to set up a competing military force, they may be able to do it better, but it will never happen.
6) There is NOTHING in the bill that prevents the creation of a single payer government health care system. For a matter of fact, almost everything I've read so far in this proposal is designed to facilitate that final goal.
7) This proposal didn't appear out of thin air. It is well thought out and it's titles and sections are well constructed legalese, with one final goal in mind. The total Federal control of health services and your personal health concerns.
Read this thing, you'll be a step ahead of most of the politicians that claim to represent you. Truth to knowledge, use it.
You know, Walter, you may be on to something here. Imagine if, instead of focusing on jeering, etc. in these townhalls, every person took it upon themselves to become very familiar with a specific section of the bill, chapter and verse. Now imagine all of the questions posed by individuals to their elected officials at the townhall reference page numbers, exact wording, etc.
There could be a couple of effects of this approach. First, it would become stunningly apparent which officials have studied the legislation and which have not. Perhaps a way of shaming them that would be more powerful than shouting and chanting? Secondly, it would provide a very specific context for questions and answers, instead of allowing for generic talking points.
What do you think, Walter?
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realwest Sun, Aug 9, 2009 9:00:43pm |
re: #387 SteveC
Hi SteveC - thank you SO MUCH for that comment and link.
For some reason, my monitor's a little fuzzy right now.
But THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
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Dark_Falcon Sun, Aug 9, 2009 9:01:49pm |
re: #387 SteveC
HERO ALERT!
Realwest sometimes uses this song for stories like this. I'm not him but I still say "Thank you, Corporal Kopp. You served your nation superbly and and your valor and selflessness are shining examples to us all."
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Walter L. Newton Sun, Aug 9, 2009 9:02:56pm |
re: #397 realwest
Hi Walter! Great comment. I know there's a section on Medicare (with which I have a vested interest, but it is somewhat difficult to understand because of cross references and etc.) Does the Federal Health Care Corp get involded with Medicare, replace it, supplement it, what - do you know?
It appears that the Federal Health Care Corps would be the place you go for Medicare covered services.
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SteveC Sun, Aug 9, 2009 9:03:58pm |
re: #403 realwest
Hi SteveC - thank you SO MUCH for that comment and link.
For some reason, my monitor's a little fuzzy right now.
But THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
Strange, I'm having a similar problem... but for sure, that story is going to be a post on my heart defect blog in a few days!
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Gretchen G.Tiger Sun, Aug 9, 2009 9:04:56pm |
I had to step away for a few, what happened?
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realwest Sun, Aug 9, 2009 9:05:06pm |
re: #402 Pianobuff
Well I know you asked this of Walter, but as I've been trying to slog my way through this bill, the two things I noticed were, in many places, a lack of specificity(which in some cases is understandable; agencies and regulations have to be put into place to effect some of what's proposed) and there are so many effin' cross references, that it's easy enough for someone to side step those kinds of questions.
I'd rather see someone ask a Congresscritter who voted for it, why the bill had to be so convoluted and so incredibly long.
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Killian Bundy Sun, Aug 9, 2009 9:05:23pm |
re: #405 Walter L. Newton
It appears that the Federal Health Care Corps would be the place you go for Medicare covered services.
/will we have to march?
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realwest Sun, Aug 9, 2009 9:06:01pm |
re: #405 Walter L. Newton
Huh. Whatever happened to "you get to keep your own doctor" and all - or was that just for private insurance company coverage?
| 412 |
swamprat Sun, Aug 9, 2009 9:07:02pm |
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Desert Dog Sun, Aug 9, 2009 9:07:15pm |
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Last Mohican Sun, Aug 9, 2009 9:08:20pm |
Attention fans of jaw-dropping irony:
You're going to love this one. If you go to this page on the web site of the Service Employees International Union, you'll see at least three or four links where you can click to learn how evil right-wing lobbying groups are "astroturfing": organizing people to protest against Obamacare.
Above those links, you can click a much bigger button, marked "join nationwide health care events: locate events near you during the congressional recess." And there you'll see a list of about 20 events where you can go, pick up pre-printed signs and pamphlets made by SEIU, and demonstrate in favor of Obamacare.
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Dark_Falcon Sun, Aug 9, 2009 9:08:29pm |
re: #408 realwest
Well I know you asked this of Walter, but as I've been trying to slog my way through this bill, the two things I noticed were, in many places, a lack of specificity(which in some cases is understandable; agencies and regulations have to be put into place to effect some of what's proposed) and there are so many effin' cross references, that it's easy enough for someone to side step those kinds of questions.
I'd rather see someone ask a Congresscritter who voted for it, why the bill had to be so convoluted and so incredibly long.
The answer is: To make their powergrab as opaque as possible. They don't want us to see their plan coming. But thanks to people like Walter, we have seen and we are not deceived. And now Obama and crew will pay for their little try for an end run. Their bill is going down in flames. The public hates it and will not be gainsaid.
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SteveC Sun, Aug 9, 2009 9:08:31pm |
re: #405 Walter L. Newton
It appears that the Federal Health Care Corps would be the place you go for Medicare covered services.
I'm seeing my Cardiologist, come hell, high water, or Barak Obama. Not no gubbamint paper pusher.
My doc has literally SAVED MY ASS at least twice.
| 417 |
Walter L. Newton Sun, Aug 9, 2009 9:08:50pm |
re: #402 Pianobuff
You know, Walter, you may be on to something here. Imagine if, instead of focusing on jeering, etc. in these townhalls, every person took it upon themselves to become very familiar with a specific section of the bill, chapter and verse. Now imagine all of the questions posed by individuals to their elected officials at the townhall reference page numbers, exact wording, etc.
There could be a couple of effects of this approach. First, it would become stunningly apparent which officials have studied the legislation and which have not. Perhaps a way of shaming them that would be more powerful than shouting and chanting? Secondly, it would provide a very specific context for questions and answers, instead of allowing for generic talking points.
What do you think, Walter?
Of course this would be the way to go. I will give you an example. I've read two hundred pages of this proposal already. Why? Because I heard a talk show host say that a title and section of the proposal would allow health care workers to come into the homes of at risk pregnant mothers and tell the mothers who they are going to raise their baby.
So, I wanted to see this actual language. It appears that this is simply a codification and continuation of CURRENT government practices, now grouped into this proposal.
So, it's not new, it's things that the government already does in through other programs, but it is being address and included in this proposal.
Bottom line, the talk show host was fear mongering and not being honest. But, the over all powers this section and title gives the government is still a concern to me.
I think if anything, everyone who is concerned with this should try to read it. It's not that hard, almost every section has a funding part that you can just skip over, and it's typical double spaced, large print (LOL) legalese.
Very good idea.
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Pianobuff Sun, Aug 9, 2009 9:08:53pm |
re: #408 realwest
Well I know you asked this of Walter, but as I've been trying to slog my way through this bill, the two things I noticed were, in many places, a lack of specificity(which in some cases is understandable; agencies and regulations have to be put into place to effect some of what's proposed) and there are so many effin' cross references, that it's easy enough for someone to side step those kinds of questions.
I'd rather see someone ask a Congresscritter who voted for it, why the bill had to be so convoluted and so incredibly long.
That is certainly true and those questions could probably be also placed directly in context of the legislation. I just wonder what it would be like if the congresscritter was standing in front of people who knew the legislation better than him/her. It seems a strong alternative to what's going on today, which I don't envision as being sustainable in any positive way although I do understand the anger.
| 419 |
Dark_Falcon Sun, Aug 9, 2009 9:09:28pm |
re: #414 Last Mohican
Attention fans of jaw-dropping irony:
You're going to love this one. If you go to this page on the web site of the Service Employees International Union, you'll see at least three or four links where you can click to learn how evil right-wing lobbying groups are "astroturfing": organizing people to protest against Obamacare.
Above those links, you can click a much bigger button, marked "join nationwide health care events: locate events near you during the congressional recess." And there you'll see a list of about 20 events where you can go, pick up pre-printed signs and pamphlets made by SEIU, and demonstrate in favor of Obamacare.
Once again: The left has no shame.
| 420 |
swamprat Sun, Aug 9, 2009 9:10:04pm |
I wonder if the tort lawyers realize what a threat Obamacare is to them.
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Last Mohican Sun, Aug 9, 2009 9:11:01pm |
re: #420 swamprat
I wonder if the tort lawyers realize what a threat Obamacare is to them.
Why would it be a threat to them? Not disagreeing, just asking.
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Walter L. Newton Sun, Aug 9, 2009 9:11:32pm |
re: #416 SteveC
I'm seeing my Cardiologist, come hell, high water, or Barak Obama. Not no gubbamint paper pusher.
My doc has literally SAVED MY ASS at least twice.
It doesn't out right state that you go to the Federal Health Care Corp for all your services. I should have clarified that the way this agency is set up in the proposal, it appears to me that it will eventually become the place to go for any Federally funded health care.
‘‘Subpart XII—Public Health Workforce
15 ‘‘SEC. 340L. PUBLIC HEALTH WORKFORCE CORPS.
16 ‘‘(a) ESTABLISHMENT.—There is established, within
17 the Service, the Public Health Workforce Corps (in this
18 subpart referred to as the ‘Corps’), for the purpose of en19
suring an adequate supply of public health professionals
20 throughout the Nation. The Corps shall consist of—
21 ‘‘(1) such officers of the Regular and Reserve
22 Corps of the Service as the Secretary may designate;
23 and
24 ‘‘(2) such civilian employees of the United
25 States as the Secretary may appoint.
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Dark_Falcon Sun, Aug 9, 2009 9:12:33pm |
re: #421 Last Mohican
Why would it be a threat to them? Not disagreeing, just asking.
Because Obamacare's government health services are likely to have rules to prevent them from being sued, thus causing the lawyers to lose their gravy train.
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Walter L. Newton Sun, Aug 9, 2009 9:12:56pm |
re: #422 Walter L. Newton
It doesn't out right state that you go to the Federal Health Care Corp for all your services. I should have clarified that the way this agency is set up in the proposal, it appears to me that it will eventually become the place to go for any Federally funded health care.
‘‘Subpart XII—Public Health Workforce
15 ‘‘SEC. 340L. PUBLIC HEALTH WORKFORCE CORPS.
16 ‘‘(a) ESTABLISHMENT.—There is established, within
17 the Service, the Public Health Workforce Corps (in this
18 subpart referred to as the ‘Corps’), for the purpose of en19
suring an adequate supply of public health professionals
20 throughout the Nation. The Corps shall consist of—
21 ‘‘(1) such officers of the Regular and Reserve
22 Corps of the Service as the Secretary may designate;
23 and
24 ‘‘(2) such civilian employees of the United
25 States as the Secretary may appoint.
As you can see above, this is a complete health care industry being set up by the federal government. Private health care will be push right out of business.
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MrPaulRevere Sun, Aug 9, 2009 9:12:57pm |
Some background on Obama administration mouthpiece Linda Douglass, this is an eye opener: "Douglass and Phillips also became close with Webb Hubbell, the Justice Department official who stole from his old law firm and cheated on his taxes. Douglass and Phillips dined and socialized with Hubbell and his wife, Suzy, and the couples even took a trip to the Greek islands together." [Link: www.washingtonexaminer.com...]
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swamprat Sun, Aug 9, 2009 9:14:08pm |
re: #414 Last Mohican
Go there.
Get all the pamplets and signs
you can.
Get a big marker.
Draw a giant circle bisected with a diagonal line.
Use the signs against the originators.
| 427 |
Walter L. Newton Sun, Aug 9, 2009 9:14:49pm |
1 ‘‘(b) ADMINISTRATION.—Except as provided in sub2
section (c), the Secretary shall carry out this subpart act3
ing through the Administrator of the Health Resources
4 and Services Administration.
5 ‘‘(c) PLACEMENT AND ASSIGNMENT.—The Secretary,
6 acting through the Director of the Centers for Disease
7 Control and Prevention, shall develop a methodology for
8 placing and assigning Corps participants as public health
9 professionals. Such methodology may allow for placing and
10 assigning such participants in State, local, and tribal
11 health departments and Federally qualified health centers
12 (as defined in section 1861(aa)(4) of the Social Security
13 Act).
14 ‘‘(d) APPLICATION OF CERTAIN PROVISIONS.—The
15 provisions of subpart II shall, except as inconsistent with
16 this subpart, apply to the Public Health Workforce Corps
17 in the same manner and to the same extent as such provi18
sions apply to the National Health Service Corps estab19
lished under section 331.
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Last Mohican Sun, Aug 9, 2009 9:14:50pm |
re: #423 Dark_Falcon
Because Obamacare's government health services are likely to have rules to prevent them from being sued, thus causing the lawyers to lose their gravy train.
D'ya think? Maybe a government-run health care agency would just be another deep pocket to go after. E.g. if you're a slimeball ambulance-chaser like Jonathan Edwards, you can now sue not just the doctor and the hospital, but now the doctor, the hospital, and the federal government.
| 429 |
realwest Sun, Aug 9, 2009 9:14:54pm |
re: #418 Pianobuff
Well if you see #416 by SteveC and if I add in my own two cents about staying with my oncologist and Cancer Clinic Team, then I don't see that anger abating any at all.
And while I do think it's a good tactic, I think the outcome is in fact a forgone conclussion: President Obama and Senate Majority Leader Reid have said, in no uncertain terms, that this bill WILL BE PASSED INTO LAW no matter whether or not any Republicans vote for it.
And come January or thereabouts, when I will NEED certain tests, and probably radiation treatment, if I can't get them without any significant time delay and get them from the doctors familiar with my case
then the simple facts of the matter are that my cancer will spread and I will die because of that.
And I am hardly the only person in that particular boat.
| 430 |
swamprat Sun, Aug 9, 2009 9:15:48pm |
re: #421 Last Mohican
Why would it be a threat to them? Not disagreeing, just asking.
I could be wrong, but I think it will be harder to sue the government.
| 431 |
Pvt Bin Jammin Sun, Aug 9, 2009 9:16:24pm |
Los Angeles lizards, we have a Town Hall meeting coming up on Tuesday.
;-) [Link: action.seiu721.org...]
| 432 |
Gretchen G.Tiger Sun, Aug 9, 2009 9:17:09pm |
re: #417 Walter L. Newton
Of course this would be the way to go. I will give you an example. I've read two hundred pages of this proposal already. Why? Because I heard a talk show host say that a title and section of the proposal would allow health care workers to come into the homes of at risk pregnant mothers and tell the mothers who they are going to raise their baby.
So, I wanted to see this actual language. It appears that this is simply a codification and continuation of CURRENT government practices, now grouped into this proposal.
So, it's not new, it's things that the government already does in through other programs, but it is being address and included in this proposal.
Bottom line, the talk show host was fear mongering and not being honest. But, the over all powers this section and title gives the government is still a concern to me.
I think if anything, everyone who is concerned with this should try to read it. It's not that hard, almost every section has a funding part that you can just skip over, and it's typical double spaced, large print (LOL) legalese.
Very good idea.
It's on my mental checklist for this week.
| 433 |
realwest Sun, Aug 9, 2009 9:17:47pm |
re: #424 Walter L. Newton
and #422 Walter - thank you for the clarification. But I don't see how ANYONE can say, with a straight face, that this is not set up to become - in perhaps a year or two's time, a primarily single payer sytem run by the Federal Government.
I find that somewhat less than reassuring.
| 434 |
Desert Dog Sun, Aug 9, 2009 9:17:47pm |
re: #431 Pvt Bin Jammin
Los Angeles lizards, we have a Town Hall meeting coming up on Tuesday.
;-) [Link: action.seiu721.org...]
Bring your video cameras and be sure to taunt the Union Goons!
| 435 |
Walter L. Newton Sun, Aug 9, 2009 9:18:21pm |
Here's the complete outline of the Public Health Care Workforce.
---
DIVISION C—PUBLIC HEALTH AND WORKFORCE DEVELOPMENT
TITLE I—COMMUNITY HEALTH CENTERS
TITLE II—WORKFORCE
Subtitle A—Primary Care Workforce
Subtitle B—Nursing Workforce
Subtitle C—Public Health Workforce
Subtitle D—Adapting Workforce to Evolving Health System Needs
TITLE III—PREVENTION AND WELLNESS
TITLE IV—QUALITY AND SURVEILLANCE
TITLE V—OTHER PROVISIONS
Subtitle A—Drug Discount for Rural and Other Hospitals
Subtitle B—School-Based Health Clinics
Subtitle C—National Medical Device Registry
Subtitle D—Grants for Comprehensive Programs To Provide Education to
Nurses and Create a Pipeline to Nursing
Subtitle E—States Failing To Adhere to Certain Employment Obligations
---
This is a COMPLETE health care industry being set up by the government, including schooling, hiring, government clinics, health care centers (hospitals) etc.
It's community based clinics, school based clinics and if you dig into the sections above, you will even see where they we be coming into your home with home based care.
| 436 |
Walter L. Newton Sun, Aug 9, 2009 9:19:22pm |
re: #433 realwest
and #422 Walter - thank you for the clarification. But I don't see how ANYONE can say, with a straight face, that this is not set up to become - in perhaps a year or two's time, a primarily single payer sytem run by the Federal Government.
I find that somewhat less than reassuring.
Here is the purpose of the Health Corp.
1 DIVISION A—AFFORDABLE
2 HEALTH CARE CHOICES
3 SEC. 100. PURPOSE; TABLE OF CONTENTS OF DIVISION;
4 GENERAL DEFINITIONS.
5 (a) PURPOSE.—
6 (1) IN GENERAL.—The purpose of this division
7 is to provide affordable, quality health care for all
8 Americans and reduce the growth in health care
9 spending.
| 437 |
realwest Sun, Aug 9, 2009 9:19:24pm |
re: #434 Desert Dog
Um, I'm not so sure it's a good idea to "taunt the Union goons" - not unless you're carrying and willing to use a Taser bro'!
/sorta
| 438 |
Pvt Bin Jammin Sun, Aug 9, 2009 9:20:37pm |
re: #434 Desert Dog
Bring your video cameras and be sure to taunt the Union Goons!
My kid wants to go with me as a citizen concerned about the HC proposals. Alas, she made the unfortunate mistake of joining that bunch when she took her last job. I'll have to get her a good disguise.
| 439 |
realwest Sun, Aug 9, 2009 9:20:42pm |
re: #436 Walter L. Newton
LOL! Now c'mon Walter, you didn't really type that with a straight face, did you?
| 440 |
Desert Dog Sun, Aug 9, 2009 9:20:58pm |
re: #437 realwest
Um, I'm not so sure it's a good idea to "taunt the Union goons" - not unless you're carrying and willing to use a Taser bro'!
/sorta
That bouncer nonsense has to stop...those guys are pathetic
| 441 |
Last Mohican Sun, Aug 9, 2009 9:21:04pm |
re: #426 swamprat
Go there.
Get all the pamplets and signs
you can.
Get a big marker.
Draw a giant circle bisected with a diagonal line.
Use the signs against the originators.
But do it at your own risk. The SEIU are thugs, and they've already shown that they're not above violence.
I used to work in a hospital where the nurses, nurses' aides, and the like were SEIU. I saw a lot of patients who suffered needlessly, or literally were killed, because the union made it impossible to fire incompetent people. It was chilling to watch. These are not good people.
| 442 |
Dark_Falcon Sun, Aug 9, 2009 9:21:33pm |
re: #429 realwest
Well if you see #416 by SteveC and if I add in my own two cents about staying with my oncologist and Cancer Clinic Team, then I don't see that anger abating any at all.
And while I do think it's a good tactic, I think the outcome is in fact a forgone conclussion: President Obama and Senate Majority Leader Reid have said, in no uncertain terms, that this bill WILL BE PASSED INTO LAW no matter whether or not any Republicans vote for it.
And come January or thereabouts, when I will NEED certain tests, and probably radiation treatment, if I can't get them without any significant time delay and get them from the doctors familiar with my case
then the simple facts of the matter are that my cancer will spread and I will die because of that.
And I am hardly the only person in that particular boat.
Realwest, we CAN still win this battle. The bill's support amoung Democrats is waning. If its poll numbrs continue their freefall it will not pass in its current form. Even if we can't stop the bill entirely, we can prune it back into something that can be undone in time. And that is a victory worth fighting for.
| 443 |
SteveC Sun, Aug 9, 2009 9:22:05pm |
re: #431 Pvt Bin Jammin
Los Angeles lizards, we have a Town Hall meeting coming up on Tuesday.
;-) [Link: action.seiu721.org...]
Hmmm... take your pick:
Naughty naughty, loud and bawdy, t-t-t-t-tease me
Take it easy, hug and squeeze
A naughty naughty, naughty, I'm a naughty naughty guy
Or...
"Galactica Actual, Starbuck's going in! Repeat, Starbuck's going to take on all seven!"
| 444 |
Walter L. Newton Sun, Aug 9, 2009 9:23:10pm |
re: #439 realwest
LOL! Now c'mon Walter, you didn't really type that with a straight face, did you?
I didn't type it, I clipped and pasted it from the actual proposal.
| 446 |
Pvt Bin Jammin Sun, Aug 9, 2009 9:23:53pm |
re: #441 Last Mohican
I'll see if I can find the link I saw yesterday. The SEIU tried to scare the CNA at some kind of union convention a couple of years ago. Apparently the CNA is for patients rights.
| 447 |
realwest Sun, Aug 9, 2009 9:24:09pm |
re: #440 Desert Dog
That bouncer nonsense has to stop...those guys are pathetic
I agree with you, but I'm confused and upset about something - wasn't there a time, not too long ago, either, when large public gatherings such as these, were left to the appropriate POLICE DEPARTMENTS to maintain public order?
Where the hell are the COPS?!
| 450 |
Dark_Falcon Sun, Aug 9, 2009 9:25:22pm |
re: #441 Last Mohican
But do it at your own risk. The SEIU are thugs, and they've already shown that they're not above violence.
I used to work in a hospital where the nurses, nurses' aides, and the like were SEIU. I saw a lot of patients who suffered needlessly, or literally were killed, because the union made it impossible to fire incompetent people. It was chilling to watch. These are not good people.
In that case, we should bring a few trick of our own. I've got a good MagLight for such matters and other clubs and peeper spray would prove useful. No blades or guns, but I think given the unions proclivity to violence a non-lethal defensive force option would be in order.
| 451 |
DesertSage Sun, Aug 9, 2009 9:26:12pm |
re: #449 realwest
Hey hi there Sage - how are you doing?
Hi RW! I'm doing alright. I owe you an email. :')
| 452 |
Dark_Falcon Sun, Aug 9, 2009 9:26:27pm |
re: #443 SteveC
Or...
"Galactica Actual, Starbuck's going in! Repeat, Starbuck's going to take on all seven!"
So we're back to "Obama is a Cylon", are we? ;)
| 453 |
Desert Dog Sun, Aug 9, 2009 9:26:30pm |
re: #447 realwest
I agree with you, but I'm confused and upset about something - wasn't there a time, not too long ago, either, when large public gatherings such as these, were left to the appropriate POLICE DEPARTMENTS to maintain public order?
Where the hell are the COPS?!
The right needs to stop with the temper tantrums and the left needs to call off the attack dogs and let's have an actual debate. Of course, Obama does not want that...he wants the public to open up and swallow it whole.
| 454 |
realwest Sun, Aug 9, 2009 9:27:03pm |
re: #442 Dark_Falcon
Dark_Falcon, you know I like and respect you - very much actually - but I have to ask you where you see those polling numbers? Which Dem SENATORS seem to be getting wobbly? I think a vote in the House is a foregone conclussion that the Dems will win it.
| 455 |
SteveC Sun, Aug 9, 2009 9:28:07pm |
re: #452 Dark_Falcon
So we're back to "Obama is a Cylon", are we? ;)
Life here began out there, man. Haven't you ever read the scrolls? ;)
Some people!
| 456 |
realwest Sun, Aug 9, 2009 9:28:28pm |
re: #451 DesertSage
Well actually I think you do owe me an e-mail, but listen my friend, tend to anything more important than that first, ok.
But I would dearly love to hear from you.
| 457 |
realwest Sun, Aug 9, 2009 9:29:36pm |
re: #453 Desert Dog
I agree with you but you still haven't answered my question - where the hell are the COPS?!
| 458 |
Desert Dog Sun, Aug 9, 2009 9:30:12pm |
re: #457 realwest
I agree with you but you still haven't answered my question - where the hell are the COPS?!
I am guessing they will be there in greater numbers for future meetings.
| 459 |
shiek al beif salami Sun, Aug 9, 2009 9:31:31pm |
re: #453 Desert Dog
The problem is that no matter what health care reform bill they end up with, it will be too big to fail, which also means it will be too big to succeed.
The whole point of federalism was to avoid the kinds of political monstrosities that the federal government keeps on producing.
Krauthammer got it right: control medical malpractice litigation and delink health insurance from employment
| 460 |
Syrah Sun, Aug 9, 2009 9:31:47pm |
re: #450 Dark_Falcon
In that case, we should bring a few trick of our own. I've got a good MagLight for such matters and other clubs and peeper spray would prove useful. No blades or guns, but I think given the unions proclivity to violence a non-lethal defensive force option would be in order.
No weapons of any sort. Not even stiff paper with sharp edges.
If SEIU wants to play the role of thugs, let them. Just get it all on video.
Let the other side be seen as brutal thugs beating up average citizens. That is far more effective then emulating SEIU's tactics.
| 461 |
Wendya Sun, Aug 9, 2009 9:32:36pm |
re: #441 Last Mohican
But do it at your own risk. The SEIU are thugs, and they've already shown that they're not above violence.
I used to work in a hospital where the nurses, nurses' aides, and the like were SEIU. I saw a lot of patients who suffered needlessly, or literally were killed, because the union made it impossible to fire incompetent people. It was chilling to watch. These are not good people.
What I detest the most about unions is that they con employees into thinking the union is more important than their employer who is then cast as the "enemy".
I would close my doors before I allowed my business to be unionized.
| 462 |
realwest Sun, Aug 9, 2009 9:32:40pm |
re: #458 Desert Dog
I honestly don't think we should guess that they will be there. When any of us learn of a townhall meeting or whatever they may call it in the future where the employers of those congresscritters get to question their employee's performance, then we ought to call the appropriate PD and ensure that there are cops there.
| 463 |
Desert Dog Sun, Aug 9, 2009 9:33:05pm |
re: #459 shiek al beif salami
The problem is that no matter what health care reform bill they end up with, it will be too big to fail, which also means it will be too big to succeed.
The whole point of federalism was to avoid the kinds of political monstrosities that the federal government keeps on producing.
Krauthammer got it right: control medical malpractice litigation and delink health insurance from employment
I can see the latter being adopted, but the Dems will NEVER agree to any real tort reform. And, that fact is pathetic
| 464 |
Wendya Sun, Aug 9, 2009 9:34:02pm |
re: #453 Desert Dog
The right needs to stop with the temper tantrums and the left needs to call off the attack dogs and let's have an actual debate. Of course, Obama does not want that...he wants the public to open up and swallow it whole.
In order to have a debate, you need elected officials who are willing to listen to people who may not have voted for them and don't support their agenda. That's not possible in today's climate.
| 465 |
freetoken Sun, Aug 9, 2009 9:35:00pm |
re: #459 shiek al beif salami
The whole point of federalism was to avoid the kinds of political monstrosities that the federal government keeps on producing.
Hmmm... you might want to check that point...
| 466 |
Dark_Falcon Sun, Aug 9, 2009 9:35:06pm |
re: #454 realwest
Dark_Falcon, you know I like and respect you - very much actually - but I have to ask you where you see those polling numbers? Which Dem SENATORS seem to be getting wobbly? I think a vote in the House is a foregone conclusion that the Dems will win it.
The poll numbers were from Rasmussen and Laura Ingram had them up on The O'Reilly Factor on Friday. As for Senators, I fully expect Conrad Burns to demand major changes, and we might pick off one of Colorado's senators as well. Those two examples were off the top of my head. My best friend does more poll watching than me and I'll ask him later this week about Senate pick-offs.
| 467 |
Desert Dog Sun, Aug 9, 2009 9:35:38pm |
re: #464 Wendya
In order to have a debate, you need elected officials who are willing to listen to people who may not have voted for them and don't support their agenda. That's not possible in today's climate.
That is also a tragic fact. What happened to Obama's pledge to end the partisan politics that have plagued Washington? I guess "I won" and "we'll pass it without the Republicans" is the new rules?
| 468 |
Walter L. Newton Sun, Aug 9, 2009 9:36:24pm |
I'm heading for bed. Please, download the PDF of the health care proposal bill, look at the table of contents and find a section that interests you and read it. Like I mentioned above, the document is a lot of pages, but it is not that dense, it's double spaced and there are many pages that are funding information that you can skip and get right to the hard facts.
I read 200 pages in an hour, mainly from around pages 750 to 950, a lot on the Federal Health Care Corps, which interested me.
It's important that we understand what's in there. Right here on LGF, we have had a number of commenters trying to shut us up, make us look stupid and reactionary, and shut down the debate on LGF.
Don't let that happen, read some of it, become familiar with it and then start asking questions. In your community and even here on LGF. Let the progressives here know that you are paying attention. Don't stop speaking out. The town halls don't just belong to the progressives. They belong to all of us.
| 469 |
realwest Sun, Aug 9, 2009 9:36:51pm |
re: #460 Syrah
Hi Syrah - listen, I'm not advocating violence. But when you say:
"If SEIU wants to play the role of thugs, let them. Just get it all on video.
Let the other side be seen as brutal thugs beating up average citizens. That is far more effective then emulating SEIU's tactics."
I can't but help wonder a) does the other side CARE how they're portrayed (after all, "they" didn't do it, some thugs did it on their own) and b)believe it might be more effective, unless, of course, you're one of the ones who gets beaten up.
| 470 |
Pianobuff Sun, Aug 9, 2009 9:38:05pm |
re: #466 Dark_Falcon
The poll numbers were from Rasmussen and Laura Ingram had them up on The O'Reilly Factor on Friday. As for Senators, I fully expect Conrad Burns to demand major changes, and we might pick off one of Colorado's senators as well. Those two examples were off the top of my head. My best friend does more poll watching than me and I'll ask him later this week about Senate pick-offs.
Durbin is supposedly a little wobbly on the public option, but his fall-back would likely be some kind of co-op as opposed to eliminating it altogether.
Some of the R senators are beginning to reject the co-op as an alternative public option, saying it's too Fanny/Freddie-like.
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Dark_Falcon Sun, Aug 9, 2009 9:39:06pm |
re: #460 Syrah
No weapons of any sort. Not even stiff paper with sharp edges.
If SEIU wants to play the role of thugs, let them. Just get it all on video.
Let the other side be seen as brutal thugs beating up average citizens. That is far more effective then emulating SEIU's tactics.
I don't agree. The best course would be a show of resolve. Let them know that thuggish actions will carry a price. We should not go looking for a fight, nor continue one one second longer than needed. I hate fighting but I'd rather fight than get pounded on.
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realwest Sun, Aug 9, 2009 9:39:50pm |
re: #466 Dark_Falcon
Hey my friend, I hope you do ask your friend and if possible could y'all e-mail me with what he says? I'm off and on LGF irregularly at best and I'd hate to miss that.
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shiek al beif salami Sun, Aug 9, 2009 9:40:28pm |
re: #465 freetoken
I guess I don't understand your comment.
The political monstrosities this country suffers from are the result of the federal government's usurption of power from the states. The original intent of federalism was to disperse power throughout the country. Our current all or nothing system puts all the political and policy eggs in basket.
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Dark_Falcon Sun, Aug 9, 2009 9:40:58pm |
re: #468 Walter L. Newton
I'm heading for bed. Please, download the PDF of the health care proposal bill, look at the table of contents and find a section that interests you and read it. Like I mentioned above, the document is a lot of pages, but it is not that dense, it's double spaced and there are many pages that are funding information that you can skip and get right to the hard facts.
I read 200 pages in an hour, mainly from around pages 750 to 950, a lot on the Federal Health Care Corps, which interested me.
It's important that we understand what's in there. Right here on LGF, we have had a number of commenters trying to shut us up, make us look stupid and reactionary, and shut down the debate on LGF.
Don't let that happen, read some of it, become familiar with it and then start asking questions. In your community and even here on LGF. Let the progressives here know that you are paying attention. Don't stop speaking out. The town halls don't just belong to the progressives. They belong to all of us.
I'll be sure to do that in the next few days. You are right: It needs to be done.
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Dark_Falcon Sun, Aug 9, 2009 9:42:41pm |
re: #472 realwest
Hey my friend, I hope you do ask your friend and if possible could y'all e-mail me with what he says? I'm off and on LGF irregularly at best and I'd hate to miss that.
I will of course do so. It will be by Wednesday. On Thursday morning, I head to GenCon in Indianapolis and will not be back till Saturday. I'll be gaming most of the time and will be on LGF very little if at all.
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solomonpanting Sun, Aug 9, 2009 9:43:24pm |
Some food for thought:
Medicare provides service for ~ 45 million people and its expenses account for 13% of total budget expenditures.
If that 45 million doubles or triples or...
you figure it out.
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MrPaulRevere Sun, Aug 9, 2009 9:43:47pm |
The Pelosi/Hoyer editorial is up, it starts with a false premise: "Americans have been waiting for nearly a century for quality, affordable health care." Hard to take what follows seriously... [Link: blogs.usatoday.com...]
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SteveC Sun, Aug 9, 2009 9:44:46pm |
Georgia Democrat yells at local doctor over health care
Dr. Hill asked Mr. Scott why he was going to vote for a health care plan similar to that implemented in Massachusetts "that is shown not to work" and if he supported a government-provided health care insurance option.
The congressman replied by accusing the doctor of "hijacking" his event.
"I'm listening to my constituents, OK?" Scott said, "These are people who live in the 13th Congressional district, who vote in this district. That’s who I’ve got to respond to … So what you’ve got to understand, those of you who are here, who have taken and came and hijacked this event we dealing with here, this is not a health care event."
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realwest Sun, Aug 9, 2009 9:45:03pm |
Huh, if y'all want to know what we are up against with SEIU take a look here: [Link: en.wikipedia.org...]
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shiek al beif salami Sun, Aug 9, 2009 9:45:21pm |
re: #477 MrPaulRevere
A better promise would be that progressives have wanted to control health care for nearly a century.
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Syrah Sun, Aug 9, 2009 9:45:24pm |
re: #469 realwest
Hi Syrah - listen, I'm not advocating violence. But when you say:
"If SEIU wants to play the role of thugs, let them. Just get it all on video.Let the other side be seen as brutal thugs beating up average citizens. That is far more effective then emulating SEIU's tactics."
I can't but help wonder a) does the other side CARE how they're portrayed (after all, "they" didn't do it, some thugs did it on their own) and b)believe it might be more effective, unless, of course, you're one of the ones who gets beaten up.
Street politics is a very dirty game. Sometimes, it can get very ugly. You might even find yourself in the awful position where getting beat-up is better then being seen to fight back because you can not allow the other side to portray you to be the instigator of the violence.
Street politics is as much about stagecraft as it is about philosophy. The street/town halls are the stage. The SEIU thugs and the citizens that are getting beat up are actors on that stage. They are showing the rest of the citizenry something about the debate, something that is emotionally persuasive.
If the video is bad enough, its a Rodney King event.
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freetoken Sun, Aug 9, 2009 9:45:27pm |
re: #473 shiek al beif salami
It just seemed to me to be a bit too sweeping of a generalization of "federalism". Federalism doesn't necessary preclude large efforts by a central government. E.g., the idea of a standing federal army and navy was adopted early on, as was a postal service. The initial Republican party had as one of its goals the federal government sponsoring a transcontinental railroad. And so forth...
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Dark_Falcon Sun, Aug 9, 2009 9:45:56pm |
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realwest Sun, Aug 9, 2009 9:48:06pm |
re: #476 solomonpanting
Hi solomonpanting - you also, however, have to factor in the amount of money Medicare brings in to the government: I pay a little over $750 a month (and I'm on SSDI) and my Mom pays a little over $600 a month.
I'm not saying that Medicare isn't a big expense, but it's a big expense for those who must rely on it.
What answer can there be to that?
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Silvergirl Sun, Aug 9, 2009 9:48:07pm |
I was watching a clip of Rachel Maddow where her voice was dripping with derision over the idea that people are calling it Obamacare. I don't know why that's so bad. Why can't he take the credit or blame over something that was front and center in his campaign? Isn't he the driving force?
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Pianobuff Sun, Aug 9, 2009 9:48:20pm |
re: #477 MrPaulRevere
The Pelosi/Hoyer editorial is up, it starts with a false premise: "Americans have been waiting for nearly a century for quality, affordable health care." Hard to take what follows seriously... [Link: blogs.usatoday.com...]
Lot's of nice flowery promises. I'm looking for the part that says how much it's going to cost and how we will pay for it. Still looking...still looki...
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Ojoe Sun, Aug 9, 2009 9:48:58pm |
Charles it is a signal honor to be listed in the Weekly World News.
It really is a much better and more reliable newspaper than all the rest.
No kidding.
Congratulations!
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Pianobuff Sun, Aug 9, 2009 9:49:03pm |
re: #483 Dark_Falcon
And the fun part: The doctor was from Scott's district.
And a Democrat too, IIRC.
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SteveC Sun, Aug 9, 2009 9:49:57pm |
Oh my. This gets even better!
He doesn't even know what kind of bill it is!
“Why are you voting for a health care plan that is shown not to work in Massachusetts and why are you going to institute that in a nation-wide manner?”
With a look of confusion on his face, the congressman first quietly asked an aide, “Is that the type of bill they got going on?” Then, reassured by staff that the bill Hill referenced was, in fact, the bill before Congress, Scott proceeded to respond, insomuch as the Congressman’s angry tirade may be called a response.
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realwest Sun, Aug 9, 2009 9:51:55pm |
re: #481 Syrah
I agree with that Syrah, but how the nation sees that is decided upon by the MSM.And let's not forget that those cops walked away free from those police brutality charges against them.
And frankly, so far, the MSM is playing this as an organized astroturfing (which it most assuredly is not) and being fairly dismissive of it. Could the MSM change it's coverage? Sure. Right after someone pries them out of Obama's pocket - his BACK pocket.
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Gus Sun, Aug 9, 2009 9:54:23pm |
June 30, 2009
SEIU Protestors Taken Into Custody At Statehouse
Illinois State House:
SEIU workers sitting in front of House chamber’s door, urging lawmakers to pass a tax increase. […]
Sec of St police have taken into custody about 8 to 10 SEIU workers who were rallying in front of the House chamber. […]
SEIU Ill. Pres Keith Kelleher urges an inc. tax increase outside security office in Capital basement. No word on SEIU workers yet. […]
Kelleher said SEIU workers deliberately got arrested in order to pressure lawmakers on a tax increase.
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shiek al beif salami Sun, Aug 9, 2009 9:56:45pm |
re: #482 freetoken
The federal government was given very specific powers in the Constitution. National defense is clearly one of those powers and for good reason. 50 state armies would be silly. But issues closest to the people should come at the political levels closest to the people. The Fed simply is not responsive enough or capable of coping with the diversity of situations in this country.
Health care reform intrudes into our lives intimately. If a state plan is implemented, and I don't like it, I can move to another state. If the federal government implements a health plan I don't like, then what? I must either overthrow the government or move to another country. I'm not sure I like those choices.
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realwest Sun, Aug 9, 2009 9:57:24pm |
re: #481 Syrah
In furtherance of my comment #490, see the comment #478 by SteveC.
How who gets labled in this COUNTRY is largely determined by the MSM. And it doesn't really matter to them (as I know you know) how accurate they are.
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Syrah Sun, Aug 9, 2009 9:57:28pm |
re: #490 realwest
I agree with that Syrah, but how the nation sees that is decided upon by the MSM.And let's not forget that those cops walked away free from those police brutality charges against them.
And frankly, so far, the MSM is playing this as an organized astroturfing (which it most assuredly is not) and being fairly dismissive of it. Could the MSM change it's coverage? Sure. Right after someone pries them out of Obama's pocket - his BACK pocket.
The internet, with things like Youtube, changes the dynamics somewhat from the days when the media could just pretend that the other side of the story did not exist.
Even in Iran, they could not completely suppress everything.
One thing to keep in mind about the media is that they are a little bit like sharks. If there is blood in the water, they will feed in a frenzy, forgetting friend and foe.
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Dark_Falcon Sun, Aug 9, 2009 9:57:32pm |
re: #490 realwest
I agree with that Syrah, but how the nation sees that is decided upon by the MSM.And let's not forget that those cops walked away free from those police brutality charges against them.
And frankly, so far, the MSM is playing this as an organized astroturfing (which it most assuredly is not) and being fairly dismissive of it. Could the MSM change it's coverage? Sure. Right after someone pries them out of Obama's pocket - his BACK pocket.
Then we need paid ads to get the story out. he MSM is not the be-all and end-all; they can be beaten. Rathergate proved that.
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realwest Sun, Aug 9, 2009 9:59:21pm |
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Dark_Falcon Sun, Aug 9, 2009 9:59:38pm |
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Gus Sun, Aug 9, 2009 10:00:00pm |
Union Official Allegedly Liaison Between Governor, Obama Team
Blagojevich Apparently Hoped for Job Leading Labor Group
Among the revelations contained in the complaint brought against Illinois Gov. Rod Blagojevich yesterday was the description of an official with the Service Employees International Union acting as an apparent intermediary between the governor and Barack Obama's camp in discussions over Obama's Senate seat.
The alleged role of the SEIU official was surprising, given that the union had not figured publicly in the investigation into Blagojevich (D). But on another level, the SEIU's apparent involvement is an indication of the extent to which it has, under the leadership of its ambitious and controversial president, Andrew L. Stern, become an omnipresent force in Democratic politics.
With organized labor holding such high expectations for the Obama administration -- notably, hopes for legislation fiercely opposed by business leaders that would make it easier to form unions -- officials of other unions were hoping yesterday that the SEIU's apparent involvement in the Illinois scandal would not undermine their cause in Washington...
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solomonpanting Sun, Aug 9, 2009 10:00:12pm |
re: #484 realwest
Hi solomonpanting - you also, however, have to factor in the amount of money Medicare brings in to the government: I pay a little over $750 a month (and I'm on SSDI) and my Mom pays a little over $600 a month.
I'm not saying that Medicare isn't a big expense, but it's a big expense for those who must rely on it.
What answer can there be to that?
It doesn't look promising.
I tell my family that all people and situations have a breaking point.
Hope you're well.
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DesertSage Sun, Aug 9, 2009 10:01:00pm |
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Dark_Falcon Sun, Aug 9, 2009 10:01:34pm |
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Syrah Sun, Aug 9, 2009 10:02:51pm |
re: #494 realwest
In furtherance of my comment #490, see the comment #478 by SteveC.
How who gets labled in this COUNTRY is largely determined by the MSM. And it doesn't really matter to them (as I know you know) how accurate they are.
Yet, from SteveC's post, we can see that some of the truth is getting out. We are all reading Pravda now. The subject peoples of the Soviet Union had the Samizdat, We have the internet.
We have tools that we can use.
Remember, it was not the MSM that brought Dan Rather down.
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shiek al beif salami Sun, Aug 9, 2009 10:03:02pm |
re: #501 DesertSage
As in red necks, white socks, and Blue Ribbon beer?
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SteveC Sun, Aug 9, 2009 10:03:19pm |
*Sigh* Anyone want to trade County Councils?
Down... Set... 21...33... Hike that tax!
Kershaw County Council on Tuesday will consider asking residents whether they want to raise the county sales tax an additional 1 percent.
The CITY Council is in the midst of blessing us with a "Hospitality Tax." Doesn't seem very hospitable to me.
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MrPaulRevere Sun, Aug 9, 2009 10:03:25pm |
re: #491 Gus 802
"Kelleher said SEIU workers deliberately got arrested in order to pressure lawmakers on a tax increase." Welcome to the new America.
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Gus Sun, Aug 9, 2009 10:03:40pm |
Later on November 5, Blagojevich said to Advisor A, “I’ve got this thing and it’s [expletive] golden, and, uh, uh, I’m just not giving it up for [expletive] nothing. I’m not gonna do it. And, and I can always use it. I can parachute me there,” the affidavit states.
Two days later, in a three-way call with Harris and Advisor B, a consultant in Washington, Blagojevich and the others allegedly discussed the prospect of a three-way deal for the Senate appointment involving an organization called “Change to Win,” which is affiliated with various unions including the Service Employees International Union (SEIU).
On November 10, Blagojevich, his wife, Harris, Governor General Counsel, Advisor B and other Washington-based advisors participated at different times in a two-hour phone call in which they allegedly discussed, among other things, a deal involving the SEIU. Harris said they could work out a deal with the union and the President-elect where SEIU could help the President-elect with Blagojevich’s appointment of Senate Candidate 1, while Blagojevich would obtain a position as the National Director of the Change to Win campaign and SEIU would get something favorable from the President-elect in the future. Also during that call, Blagojevich agreed it was unlikely that the President-elect would name him Secretary of Health and Human Services or give him an ambassadorship because of all of the negative publicity surrounding him.
Search for SEIU in that USDOJ document.
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Gus Sun, Aug 9, 2009 10:04:29pm |
re: #507 MrPaulRevere
"Kelleher said SEIU workers deliberately got arrested in order to pressure lawmakers on a tax increase." Welcome to the new America.
Yeah, another union that's as "pure as the driven snow." Right. ;)
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Dark_Falcon Sun, Aug 9, 2009 10:04:32pm |
re: #499 Gus 802
Union Official Allegedly Liaison Between Governor, Obama Team
Blagojevich Apparently Hoped for Job Leading Labor Group
That is Good News. Tying SEIU to Blago will make it clear what a bunch of corrupt assholes they really are. The MSM may ignore such a story (though the Chicago Tribune will not, due to their intense hatred of Blagojevich), but we can still tell it to those who will listen and link to it to help others learn. Bit by bit, we will grind them down, and their bill with them.
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Dark_Falcon Sun, Aug 9, 2009 10:05:43pm |
re: #496 Dark_Falcon
Then we need paid ads to get the story out. he MSM is not the be-all and end-all; they can be beaten. Rathergate proved that.
re: #504 Syrah
Yet, from SteveC's post, we can see that some of the truth is getting out. We are all reading Pravda now. The subject peoples of the Soviet Union had the Samizdat, We have the internet.
We have tools that we can use.
Remember, it was not the MSM that brought Dan Rather down.
GMTA
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realwest Sun, Aug 9, 2009 10:06:04pm |
re: #495 Syrah
"One thing to keep in mind about the media is that they are a little bit like sharks. If there is blood in the water, they will feed in a frenzy, forgetting friend and foe." I know what you mean, but can't help but think that, so far, the "blood" that's been spilled in the water has been that of folks who are questioning the Health Care Bill.
Of course this is a problem we face today, because the United States of America is being run, lock, stock and barrel by ONE party only.
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esch Sun, Aug 9, 2009 10:06:58pm |
In case no one's seen it, the future of Obamacare:
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Gus Sun, Aug 9, 2009 10:07:14pm |
re: #511 Dark_Falcon
That is Good News. Tying SEIU to Blago will make it clear what a bunch of corrupt assholes they really are. The MSM may ignore such a story (though the Chicago Tribune will not, due to their intense hatred of Blagojevich), but we can still tell it to those who will listen and link to it to help others learn. Bit by bit, we will grind them down, and their bill with them.
Every little bit helps. In this case there are obvious ties which is nothing new. The Blagojevich/Illinois/SEIU connection should be caustic.
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shiek al beif salami Sun, Aug 9, 2009 10:07:34pm |
re: #514 MikeySDCA
Now I'm thinking Darth Obama.
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Syrah Sun, Aug 9, 2009 10:07:55pm |
re: #513 realwest
"One thing to keep in mind about the media is that they are a little bit like sharks. If there is blood in the water, they will feed in a frenzy, forgetting friend and foe." I know what you mean, but can't help but think that, so far, the "blood" that's been spilled in the water has been that of folks who are questioning the Health Care Bill.
Of course this is a problem we face today, because the United States of America is being run, lock, stock and barrel by ONE party only.
It is a little scary.
I can only wonder what the history text's will say of this period one thousand years from now.
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MrPaulRevere Sun, Aug 9, 2009 10:09:30pm |
Does any reader really believe that the Obama administration would investigate any allegations of illegality by the SEIU? I don't.
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Dark_Falcon Sun, Aug 9, 2009 10:10:10pm |
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shiek al beif salami Sun, Aug 9, 2009 10:10:23pm |
re: #518 Syrah
Thankfully, one party states always eat themselves alive, eventually.
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SteveC Sun, Aug 9, 2009 10:10:35pm |
re: #517 shiek al beif salami
Now I'm thinking Darth Obama.
"The job's yours now, kid." - Darth Cheney.
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Gus Sun, Aug 9, 2009 10:11:03pm |
Another one...
USDOJ
FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
March 3, 2006 For Information, Contact Public Affairs
In 2002, Ludlow was part of a hotly contested race to fill the 10th District seat on the Los Angeles City Council. According to court documents, Ludlow went to his friend Humphries, who at the time was president of SEIU Local 99, for help in the campaign. The two allegedly developed a plan to funnel money into Ludlow's campaign by placing campaign workers on the union's payroll. The campaign workers allegedly were paid more than $30,000 in salary and benefits.
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freetoken Sun, Aug 9, 2009 10:11:39pm |
re: #493 shiek al beif salami
Understand your concern... yet I don't think discussing whether the health care debate fits under federalism is very productive (unless you are concerned about specific division of responsibilities between states and the federal government, e.g., in regulating insurance companies.)
Your concern is about the boundary between the individual and the "state" (whether that be the federal government or a State government.)
The spectrum of responsibilities/rights:
individual---%P%---state
has had a moving barrier (the vertical line) for quite some time, with the growth of government post civil war.
Thanos linked to a concise article by Frum (up in the spinoffs) in which Frum mentions the idea of removing the employer from the equation. That is, having individuals buy health care plans straight from insurance companies (using pre-tax income), and having laws that ensure that such policies be transportable. Interesting idea (though one which also has problems), which addresses the idea of "responsibility" directly.
Much to discuss on this topic...
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shiek al beif salami Sun, Aug 9, 2009 10:11:52pm |
re: #524 SteveC
At least we have JarJar Biden for comic relief.
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Dark_Falcon Sun, Aug 9, 2009 10:12:14pm |
re: #523 shiek al beif salami
Thankfully, one party states always eat themselves alive, eventually.
Yeah, but they eat their citizens first. That's what scares me.
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Syrah Sun, Aug 9, 2009 10:13:45pm |
re: #523 shiek al beif salami
Thankfully, one party states always eat themselves alive, eventually.
The problem is that the people end up being the hors doeuvres before the feast.
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Syrah Sun, Aug 9, 2009 10:15:23pm |
re: #529 Dark_Falcon
Damn. Its like you are reading over my shoulder.
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realwest Sun, Aug 9, 2009 10:15:47pm |
re: #496 Dark_Falcon
Yes, Rathergate did prove that the MSM can be held in check by a determined, intelligent and honest citizen, namely our own Charles.
But my reading of this is that Charles believes as do Obama, Pelosi and Reid, that the townhall meetings so far have been the results of "astroturfing" and that plain, regular everyday American Citizens are not ANGRY about this Health Care bill and are being led by the Insurance Industry (amongst others) to go to these meetings and create chaos for it's own sake. I disagree with Charles about this, but only someone with Charles' reputation can stop this freight train called Health Care from reaching the station.
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NY Nana Sun, Aug 9, 2009 10:16:00pm |
re: #520 MrPaulRevere
Anyone who believes anything coming out of The One and his fellow-commies is either a Demonrat or an idiot.
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Gus Sun, Aug 9, 2009 10:18:55pm |
Twitter entry from Andy Stern president of SEIU:
Change in health care is not a spectator sport. Full contact and team effort. We can win! Join HCAN, OFA, and SEIU's field campaign NOW!
Thus on July 24th he was calling it a "full contact" effort. That implies physical contact in my opinion.
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Silvergirl Sun, Aug 9, 2009 10:19:31pm |
re: #532 realwest
Yes, Rathergate did prove that the MSM can be held in check by a determined, intelligent and honest citizen, namely our own Charles.
But my reading of this is that Charles believes as do Obama, Pelosi and Reid, that the townhall meetings so far have been the results of "astroturfing" and that plain, regular everyday American Citizens are not ANGRY about this Health Care bill and are being led by the Insurance Industry (amongst others) to go to these meetings and create chaos for it's own sake. I disagree with Charles about this, but only someone with Charles' reputation can stop this freight train called Health Care from reaching the station.
It really comes down to what concerns a person. I'm pretty sure Charles wrote somewhere that he hadn't made up his mind about the whole health care thing. Those of us who have made up our minds and don't want this whole mess have more understanding of motivation for protesting it.
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Aye Pod Sun, Aug 9, 2009 10:20:17pm |
[Link: www.hurryupharry.org...]
Eurabian dreams
The BBC have published a debunking of a You Tube hit suggesting that much of Europe is going to become a majority Muslim region. It contains lies:
But the video doesn’t just rely on statistics, it also uses an official Government statement. It quotes it as saying: “The fall in German population can no longer be stopped. Its downward spiral is no longer reversible. It will be a Muslim state by the year 2050.”
The statement in question was made by then vice-president of the Federal Statistics Office, Walter Radermacher, who is now chief statistician of the European Union. He says that while it is true he said Germany’s population was in decline, the last part of the quote [in italics] is just an invention. He said nothing about Germany becoming a Muslim state.
“The quotation which reads as if the German government believed that Germany will become a Muslim state is simply not true,” he says. “There is no source which can be quoted that the German government has published such an expression or opinion.”
Inexact science
The video also claims the German government believes the number of Muslims in Europe will double to 104 million.
Mr Radermacher adds: “That is not true. The German government does not believe that the Muslim population will double in the next 40 or 50 years. There are no reliable sources that give a proof for that assumption.”
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shiek al beif salami Sun, Aug 9, 2009 10:20:47pm |
re: #526 freetoken
I don't disagree with Thanos' idea, but that is a policy direction that wouldn't require vast indebtedness and massive bureaucracy.
The approach that we are now taking is infinitely more risky. The more centralized decision making becomes, the more likely it is to collapse on itself. As I said earlier, we are witnessing the potential creation of an entity so huge that it will be uncontrollable from it's inception. We are literally betting the farm that these guys can get it correct right out of the gate, and there is absolutely no way to guarantee that they will.
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Dark_Falcon Sun, Aug 9, 2009 10:21:14pm |
re: #532 realwest
Yes, Rathergate did prove that the MSM can be held in check by a determined, intelligent and honest citizen, namely our own Charles.
But my reading of this is that Charles believes as do Obama, Pelosi and Reid, that the townhall meetings so far have been the results of "astroturfing" and that plain, regular everyday American Citizens are not ANGRY about this Health Care bill and are being led by the Insurance Industry (amongst others) to go to these meetings and create chaos for it's own sake. I disagree with Charles about this, but only someone with Charles' reputation can stop this freight train called Health Care from reaching the station.
Then we need to find such a man, although Charles is intellectually honest enough to believe the truth if supported by sufficient evidence. John Stossel of ABC could also serve as such a truth teller, but could he be persuaded to take the story?
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NY Nana Sun, Aug 9, 2009 10:21:35pm |
re: #534 Gus 802
Why did I look? Now I will have trouble sleeping...unions? Feh.
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Gus Sun, Aug 9, 2009 10:22:49pm |
re: #540 NY Nana
Why did I look? Now I will have trouble sleeping...unions? Feh.
Sorry. ;) Yeah, they have his Twitter link up on his Wiki page. And there it was...
Full contact!
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Dark_Falcon Sun, Aug 9, 2009 10:23:48pm |
re: #537 Jimmah
[Link: www.hurryupharry.org...]
Eurabian dreams
The BBC have published a debunking of a You Tube hit suggesting that much of Europe is going to become a majority Muslim region. It contains lies:
But the video doesn’t just rely on statistics, it also uses an official Government statement. It quotes it as saying: “The fall in German population can no longer be stopped. Its downward spiral is no longer reversible. It will be a Muslim state by the year 2050.”
The statement in question was made by then vice-president of the Federal Statistics Office, Walter Radermacher, who is now chief statistician of the European Union. He says that while it is true he said Germany’s population was in decline, the last part of the quote [in italics] is just an invention. He said nothing about Germany becoming a Muslim state.
“The quotation which reads as if the German government believed that Germany will become a Muslim state is simply not true,” he says. “There is no source which can be quoted that the German government has published such an expression or opinion.”
Inexact scienceThe video also claims the German government believes the number of Muslims in Europe will double to 104 million.
Mr Radermacher adds: “That is not true. The German government does not believe that the Muslim population will double in the next 40 or 50 years. There are no reliable sources that give a proof for that assumption.”
Of course the BBC will say that. They tend to avoid unpleasant facts as much as possible, Iran excepted.
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shiek al beif salami Sun, Aug 9, 2009 10:24:43pm |
re: #529 Dark_Falcon
As a former resident of Zimbabwe, I often ask myself why humanity has so little capacity to learn from the mistakes of others. One party states and centralized decision-making never works and never will work. So why does humanity keep trying it? We keep doing this destructive loop - it must be hardwired into our genes.
| 546 |
MrPaulRevere Sun, Aug 9, 2009 10:27:07pm |
re: #541 Gus 802
From his twitter feed: "Time is not a friend of change.America has wAited 233 years for real reform. The Senate must act or history will judge them poorly." I'm not quite sure what to make of that, but one might suspect he finds our founding to be well, flawed.
| 547 |
Dark_Falcon Sun, Aug 9, 2009 10:27:47pm |
re: #544 shiek al beif salami
As a former resident of Zimbabwe, I often ask myself why humanity has so little capacity to learn from the mistakes of others. One party states and centralized decision-making never works and never will work. So why does humanity keep trying it? We keep doing this destructive loop - it must be hardwired into our genes.
We keep doing it because of ego. People convince themselves that they will be the one to beat the odds and make the thing work. Sometimes this attitude brings great achievements, most times it ends in disaster.
| 548 |
NY Nana Sun, Aug 9, 2009 10:28:16pm |
re: #541 Gus 802
Sorry. ;) Yeah, they have his Twitter link up on his Wiki page. And there it was...
Full contact!
It seems that everyone on the planet now Tweets! I wonder if The One will have spies reading it and FaceBook, and taking people out of their homes in the middle of the night and putting them in prison camps in Alaska.
| 549 |
shiek al beif salami Sun, Aug 9, 2009 10:28:20pm |
re: #545 MikeySDCA
Sometimes I wonder if my sole reason for existence is to serve as a warning to others. Then I realize how futile that would be, since no one would heed the warning. sigh.
| 550 |
Gus Sun, Aug 9, 2009 10:28:32pm |
re: #546 MrPaulRevere
From his twitter feed: "Time is not a friend of change.America has wAited 233 years for real reform. The Senate must act or history will judge them poorly." I'm not quite sure what to make of that, but one might suspect he finds our founding to be well, flawed.
I saw that too. Being that he was a "student leftist" I will say you are correct. Probably sees the USA from the perspective of Howard Zinn.
| 552 |
shiek al beif salami Sun, Aug 9, 2009 10:30:55pm |
re: #546 MrPaulRevere
America has waited for 233 years for health care reform? Huh???
These guys can't even keep the level of the oceans from rising, as they promised. And by the looks of Gary, Indiana, the earth has started to heal itself yet, either.
| 553 |
Dark_Falcon Sun, Aug 9, 2009 10:32:23pm |
re: #534 Gus 802
Twitter entry from Andy Stern president of SEIU:
Thus on July 24th he was calling it a "full contact" effort. That implies physical contact in my opinion.
Here's another bit of Demonrat filth:
| 554 |
Gus Sun, Aug 9, 2009 10:32:53pm |
re: #551 MikeySDCA
Or of Stalin.
Or Leon Trotsky. He seems to be the darling of the idealist American left.
| 555 |
pat Sun, Aug 9, 2009 10:33:12pm |
re: #544 shiek al beif salami
No. It is hardwired in people that feel a need to control the world. And their enablers like Boxer, Reid, and Pelosi. Dimwits that think denigrating those around them, their own country, lends them an air of intelligence or authority. The bait is always the same: unearned riches. Preferably someones you have been taught to hate.
| 557 |
shiek al beif salami Sun, Aug 9, 2009 10:33:59pm |
re: #550 Gus 802
At five percent approval, or whatever the approval rating of Congress is lately, history has already judged them. If they simply went on junkets and never voted on anything, the republic would be the better for it.
| 558 |
realwest Sun, Aug 9, 2009 10:34:42pm |
re: #535 Silvergirl
"I'm pretty sure Charles wrote somewhere that he hadn't made up his mind about the whole health care thing. Those of us who have made up our minds and don't want this whole mess have more understanding of motivation for protesting it."
Well I certainly hope you're correct and I've been misunderstanding what Charles is saying out here.
But I do confess to having a vested interest in this entire health care business; right now Medicare is the only thing slowing down the progress of my cancer and MAY at some point, put it in remission again long enough for the Mayo Clinic to finish it's full tilt boogie trial run of a new drug which CURES even Advanced Prostate cancer and get the drug out to the doctors. So that's a major part of MY bias on this. But I'm also biased because of statments made by Obama and Reid (and Shumer) to the effect of We (the Democrats) have the ability to make this health care "reform law" into law, whether or not ANY Republicans agree with it. Reforming health care in our complex society I think requires a lot more time and a lot more study to accomplish. And frankly, the idea of it being crammed into my life as my health care, whether or not I like it OR HAVE ANY SAY IN IT bothers me enormously.
But I do hope you're right. If Charles decides that there is a lot of angry, upset Americans who are angry and upset because they either don't understand the health care bill or because they do, NOT because they are being astroturfed, then perhaps he'll be able to rein in the MSM once again.
| 559 |
shiek al beif salami Sun, Aug 9, 2009 10:34:46pm |
re: #555 pat
The looters, as Ayn Rand called them.
| 560 |
Gus Sun, Aug 9, 2009 10:36:13pm |
re: #557 shiek al beif salami
At five percent approval, or whatever the approval rating of Congress is lately, history has already judged them. If they simply went on junkets and never voted on anything, the republic would be the better for it.
With those new corporate jets they're about to order that should bring new meaning to congressional junkets. Odd, I always thought those things were bad for the environment. You would think they'd consider something more reasonable along the lines of a turboprop.
| 561 |
realwest Sun, Aug 9, 2009 10:37:03pm |
re: #539 Dark_Falcon
I like and admire John Stossel a great deal, but would still rather have Charles in my corner.
| 563 |
MrPaulRevere Sun, Aug 9, 2009 10:37:29pm |
re: #550 Gus 802
You read my mind on the Howard Zinn influence.
| 564 |
Gus Sun, Aug 9, 2009 10:37:40pm |
re: #553 Dark_Falcon
Here's another bit of Demonrat filth:
Un-American. Right. What was it that dear leader said along the lines of "keeping their mouthes shut" or staying out of the way?
| 565 |
Dark_Falcon Sun, Aug 9, 2009 10:39:01pm |
re: #558 realwest
"I'm pretty sure Charles wrote somewhere that he hadn't made up his mind about the whole health care thing. Those of us who have made up our minds and don't want this whole mess have more understanding of motivation for protesting it."
Well I certainly hope you're correct and I've been misunderstanding what Charles is saying out here.
But I do confess to having a vested interest in this entire health care business; right now Medicare is the only thing slowing down the progress of my cancer and MAY at some point, put it in remission again long enough for the Mayo Clinic to finish it's full tilt boogie trial run of a new drug which CURES even Advanced Prostate cancer and get the drug out to the doctors. So that's a major part of MY bias on this. But I'm also biased because of statments made by Obama and Reid (and Shumer) to the effect of We (the Democrats) have the ability to make this health care "reform law" into law, whether or not ANY Republicans agree with it. Reforming health care in our complex society I think requires a lot more time and a lot more study to accomplish. And frankly, the idea of it being crammed into my life as my health care, whether or not I like it OR HAVE ANY SAY IN IT bothers me enormously.
But I do hope you're right. If Charles decides that there is a lot of angry, upset Americans who are angry and upset because they either don't understand the health care bill or because they do, NOT because they are being astroturfed, then perhaps he'll be able to rein in the MSM once again.
We'll find a way to get that drug to you, RW. I don't know how, but it'll happen. It HAS to happen; Because without you the world would be a good bit poorer.
| 566 |
Killian Bundy Sun, Aug 9, 2009 10:39:36pm |
'Un-American' attacks can't derail health care debateBy Nancy Pelosi and Steny Hoyer
Un-American?
/unbelievable, these ass boils are way beyond annoying now
| 567 |
shiek al beif salami Sun, Aug 9, 2009 10:39:39pm |
re: #560 Gus 802
Or how about flying first class, or - shudder - business class. The $500 million is just the cost of purchasing the planes. Then comes fuel, maintenance, personnel, etc & etc.
It is said that buying corporate aircraft is one of the death shudders of a failing enterprise. But I guess that applies only to the private sector.
| 568 |
Gus Sun, Aug 9, 2009 10:39:51pm |
re: #562 MikeySDCA
Silly you!
I know. :)
Here's what they should get.
[Link: www.hawkerbeechcraft.com...]
Might still be too much for what they deliver.
| 569 |
realwest Sun, Aug 9, 2009 10:40:24pm |
re: #553 Dark_Falcon
Here's another bit of Demonrat filth:
That is EXACTLY WHAT I MEAN. I'M HARDLY UNAMERICAN - I've served my nation in the Army Infantry in Vietnam, I've assisted many Americans through Charitable works that I do and I AM AN AMERICAN, THROUGH AND THROUGH.
| 570 |
srb1976 Sun, Aug 9, 2009 10:40:41pm |
re: #565 Dark_Falcon
We'll find a way to get that drug to you, RW. I don't know how, but it'll happen. It HAS to happen; Because without you the world would be a good bit poorer.
Quoted just to second that thought = )
| 571 |
Dark_Falcon Sun, Aug 9, 2009 10:40:42pm |
re: #561 realwest
I like and admire John Stossel a great deal, but would still rather have Charles in my corner.
So would I, but we can't be too wedded to one person to do the work. We need someone honest and not rabidly partisan and we need such a person soon.
| 573 |
Gus Sun, Aug 9, 2009 10:41:21pm |
re: #567 shiek al beif salami
Or how about flying first class, or - shudder - business class. The $500 million is just the cost of purchasing the planes. Then comes fuel, maintenance, personnel, etc & etc.
It is said that buying corporate aircraft is one of the death shudders of a failing enterprise. But I guess that applies only to the private sector.
There you go. Or they can hitch a ride on a military transport. Ride the jump seat, etc.
| 574 |
Gus Sun, Aug 9, 2009 10:42:03pm |
| 575 |
pat Sun, Aug 9, 2009 10:42:23pm |
This song encapsulates it all:
Tears For Fears - Everybody Wants To Rule The World: Video
I think of this all the time when I feel close to the line. Others do not.
| 576 |
shiek al beif salami Sun, Aug 9, 2009 10:42:43pm |
re: #573 Gus 802
I forgot to include warm nuts in my list of aircraft expenses.
| 577 |
realwest Sun, Aug 9, 2009 10:43:00pm |
Well y'all it's been real. But I have to get to sleep now. I hope you all have a great evening and that I do get the chance to see you down the road!
Good night, all.
| 579 |
esch Sun, Aug 9, 2009 10:43:38pm |
re: #566 Killian Bundy
Un-American?
/unbelievable, these ass boils are way beyond annoying now
I'm certainly not calling for this to get worse. But they certainly seem to be doing everything they can to stoke this.
| 580 |
Dark_Falcon Sun, Aug 9, 2009 10:43:40pm |
re: #569 realwest
That is EXACTLY WHAT I MEAN. I'M HARDLY UNAMERICAN - I've served my nation in the Army Infantry in Vietnam, I've assisted many Americans through Charitable works that I do and I AM AN AMERICAN, THROUGH AND THROUGH.
I know you are, and Pelosi and Hoyer's blind indifference to your service and the service of others is why I called them Demonrats. Those two aren't worthy to tie your shoes, so they make up lies to run you down so you don't make them feel inadequate.
| 582 |
esch Sun, Aug 9, 2009 10:44:21pm |
re: #577 realwest
Well y'all it's been real. But I have to get to sleep now. I hope you all have a great evening and that I do get the chance to see you down the road!
Good night, all.
Nite RW.
| 584 |
Gus Sun, Aug 9, 2009 10:44:25pm |
re: #576 shiek al beif salami
I forgot to include warm nuts in my list of aircraft expenses.
A bag of chips, barf bag, and some ear plugs.
Maybe we can create a "Congressional Class" for the airlines. Modeled after Ryanair. Standing room only. ;)
| 586 |
Syrah Sun, Aug 9, 2009 10:45:36pm |
How are these town halls being "astroturfed?"
Are there paid protesters there?
| 587 |
pat Sun, Aug 9, 2009 10:45:50pm |
Being Gracious does not mean one is "polite". Now think of Obama, Pelosi , and Reid in the context of gracious. A mental exercise.
| 589 |
shiek al beif salami Sun, Aug 9, 2009 10:46:37pm |
re: #584 Gus 802
It's just not fair that the Speaker of the House and Senate don't get an Air Force Three and Four, even if we can only afford, like, a couple of 2006 747's.
| 590 |
Gus Sun, Aug 9, 2009 10:46:48pm |
re: #585 MikeySDCA
Too expensive.
True, but think of the money we could save while they're stuck behind freight traffic for days at a time.
| 591 |
srb1976 Sun, Aug 9, 2009 10:47:08pm |
re: #587 pat
Being Gracious does not mean one is "polite". Now think of Obama, Pelosi , and Reid in the context of gracious. A mental exercise.
There is an art to being very sweet and downright nasty at the same time...I think they only teach the advanced courses in the south = )
| 592 |
Dark_Falcon Sun, Aug 9, 2009 10:47:20pm |
re: #575 pat
This song encapsulates it all:
Tears For Fears - Everybody Wants To Rule The World: VideoI think of this all the time when I feel close to the line. Others do not.
Great point and a truly great song. Humility is the quality that you have that those others lack, Pat.
| 593 |
Syrah Sun, Aug 9, 2009 10:47:24pm |
| 594 |
shiek al beif salami Sun, Aug 9, 2009 10:47:37pm |
re: #587 pat
What I really struggle with is not picturing them with Tom Hanks in a hot tub.
| 595 |
MrPaulRevere Sun, Aug 9, 2009 10:48:51pm |
I agree with Charles that folks attending the health care town forums should make their case in a civil way. I also agree with the sentiments expressed in this column: "I have no illusions about protesters at the recent town hall meetings on health care.
Advertisement
Some are fueled by angry conservative groups. Some are hopped up on radio hosts' rants and ravings. Some are Barack Obama haters. Some use one piece of wrong information to smear an entire event.
And some just think the whole idea of government health care stinks.
But all of them -- all of them -- have the right to be there, and the right to their point of view. Liberal-minded thinkers who regularly speak up for the poor and underprivileged cannot suddenly yank the rug when it comes to free speech for others." [Link: freep.com...]
| 597 |
shiek al beif salami Sun, Aug 9, 2009 10:49:09pm |
re: #591 srb1976
The Yemeni do it well: everybody totes a loaded AK47 and everybody is very polite.
| 598 |
esch Sun, Aug 9, 2009 10:49:15pm |
re: #593 Syrah
So why is the term "astroturfing" being used?
Seems to be that they can't wrap their mind around the idea of someone showing up to engage in the political process without being paid for it. It's the only thing they understand.
| 599 |
Gus Sun, Aug 9, 2009 10:49:53pm |
re: #589 shiek al beif salami
It's just not fair that the Speaker of the House and Senate don't get an Air Force Three and Four, even if we can only afford, like, a couple of 2006 747's.
How about a used 1968 727 from Mojave? ;)
| 600 |
pat Sun, Aug 9, 2009 10:50:47pm |
Sometimes when you are about to be run over, it is wise to raise your hands and shout.
| 601 |
srb1976 Sun, Aug 9, 2009 10:50:47pm |
re: #597 shiek al beif salami
The Yemeni do it well: everybody totes a loaded AK47 and everybody is very polite.
I would be too...
| 602 |
shiek al beif salami Sun, Aug 9, 2009 10:51:10pm |
re: #595 MrPaulRevere
But it is also fueled by a sense that the political system in this country is out of control and other than an occasional vote that seems to make no difference, they have no other political outlet.
| 603 |
karmic_inquisitor Sun, Aug 9, 2009 10:52:30pm |
Just saw this at drudge ...
Pelosi/Hoyer op-ed in Monday USATODAY calls townhall protesters 'un-American'... Developing...
Umm. Are they calling some people unpatriotic?
| 604 |
Syrah Sun, Aug 9, 2009 10:52:56pm |
re: #598 esch
Seems to be that they can't wrap their mind around the idea of someone showing up to engage in the political process without being paid for it. It's the only thing they understand.
So when they send out the emails, hit the phone banks, and otherwise get their people to the meetings its called "community organizing." and when we do the same, its called "astroturfing?"
| 605 |
shiek al beif salami Sun, Aug 9, 2009 10:52:59pm |
re: #599 Gus 802
Is that your 'stang (the flying one) in your avatar?
| 606 |
Last Mohican Sun, Aug 9, 2009 10:53:12pm |
re: #595 MrPaulRevere
But all of them -- all of them -- have the right to be there, and the right to their point of view. Liberal-minded thinkers who regularly speak up for the poor and underprivileged cannot suddenly yank the rug when it comes to free speech for others." [Link: freep.com...]
It's funny how community organizing is suddenly considered evil and anti-American when it's not ACORN or International ANSWER who's doing it, huh?
| 609 |
Gus Sun, Aug 9, 2009 10:54:10pm |
re: #605 shiek al beif salami
Is that your 'stang (the flying one) in your avatar?
Nah, neither. Either one would be nice to own. That's just from an air show I went to.
| 611 |
MrPaulRevere Sun, Aug 9, 2009 10:55:45pm |
re: #595 MrPaulRevere
More from the column linked above: "What did Democrats expect with a bill like this? Roses and hosannas? Many who supported Obama's campaign promises of health care for everyone wouldn't have done so if they read how he now plans to pay for and administer it.
It may not be pretty, but shouting and confrontations are part of this country. They have been from the start. More manners would be better. But silence would be worse."
| 612 |
shiek al beif salami Sun, Aug 9, 2009 10:56:32pm |
re: #609 Gus 802
My idea of a good morning is to stand by the exhaust stacks of a v-12 Allison, and as I go deaf from the music of sweet American iron, to breath in the high-octane fumes.
| 613 |
Last Mohican Sun, Aug 9, 2009 10:56:37pm |
re: #604 Syrah
Looks like we had the same thought at the same time.
| 614 |
Syrah Sun, Aug 9, 2009 10:56:46pm |
re: #604 Syrah
I should add that every time I hear the term "astro-turfing", it keeps reminding me of something about a certain ex-president talking about having astro turf installed in the back of his El Camino.
| 615 |
Dark_Falcon Sun, Aug 9, 2009 10:56:47pm |
re: #606 Last Mohican
It's funny how community organizing is suddenly considered evil and anti-American when it's not ACORN or International ANSWER who's doing it, huh?
No surprise at all. To the left, if we do it, it is evil because we are evil. And we are evil because we oppose them. They see them selves as always the good guy, always the victim. I'm honest enough to know I've been the bad guy at times. I've done wrong, but I work keep my humility and learn to be better.
| 616 |
Dark_Falcon Sun, Aug 9, 2009 10:57:15pm |
re: #611 MrPaulRevere
More from the column linked above: "What did Democrats expect with a bill like this? Roses and hosannas? Many who supported Obama's campaign promises of health care for everyone wouldn't have done so if they read how he now plans to pay for and administer it.
It may not be pretty, but shouting and confrontations are part of this country. They have been from the start. More manners would be better. But silence would be worse."
Quite Concur.
| 618 |
Gus Sun, Aug 9, 2009 10:58:12pm |
re: #612 shiek al beif salami
My idea of a good morning is to stand by the exhaust stacks of a v-12 Allison, and as I go deaf from the music of sweet American iron, to breath in the high-octane fumes.
Would be nice and something to look forward to every morning. In that case I'd be up at 5 AM every day!
| 619 |
shiek al beif salami Sun, Aug 9, 2009 10:58:41pm |
re: #614 Syrah
I have a big tarp and six hundred gallons of water in the back of my El Camino. I call it living large during the dog days of summer.
Doesn't everybody?
| 620 |
The Left Sun, Aug 9, 2009 10:59:15pm |
re: #593 Syrah
So why is the term "astroturfing" being used?
Because rather than being a spontaneous expression generated by the people, it's massaged and guided by fake foundations like FreedomWorks and by various others who are concerned with opposition to the Dem agenda by any means necessary. People's understandable worries and concerns are being manipulated and whipped up into a frothy mess of outrage-- primarily with the objective of creating youtube videos to spread the appearance of this being 'grassroots'. We see opportunists like Palin spreading lies about euthanasia.
Consequently we see hysteria and delusion that bears no resemblance to reality-- seniors on Medicare shrieking about how they don't want government health care. It's sad.
One reason it's sad is that it's shutting down the opportunity for real debate and real understanding about what's being proposed and what isn't. When speakers are drowned out by chants of "Tyranny! Tyranny! Tyranny!" before they even begin to speak-- when their attempt to even answer a question is shouted down-- when they're chased to their cars by angry rabble-- all of this IS profoundly anti-democracy.
| 621 |
shiek al beif salami Sun, Aug 9, 2009 11:00:40pm |
re: #618 Gus 802
I used to have a '39 Piper J-5 Cub fuselage in my wife's laundry room, and saw it every morning on my way to work, but it just wasn't the same as listening to a v-12 Allison.
| 622 |
Syrah Sun, Aug 9, 2009 11:00:51pm |
re: #619 shiek al beif salami
I have a big tarp and six hundred gallons of water in the back of my El Camino. I call it living large during the dog days of summer.
Doesn't everybody?
I redneck swimming pool?
(It works people. It may look silly but it does work.)
Painters plastic works pretty good.
| 623 |
shiek al beif salami Sun, Aug 9, 2009 11:02:19pm |
re: #622 Syrah
Especially if you ordered your El Camino with the heavy-duty trailer towing package. Otherwise it tends to sag in the middle.
| 624 |
Last Mohican Sun, Aug 9, 2009 11:02:23pm |
re: #620 iceweasel
You're moving the goalposts, answering a question that wasn't asked, and ignoring the point.
| 625 |
srb1976 Sun, Aug 9, 2009 11:02:39pm |
re: #620 iceweasel
As far as the health care debate goes, the only really telling piece of information I have is this:
Better is covered by both the VA and medicare...and chooses to use my insurance as his primary, because he gets treated better
| 626 |
srb1976 Sun, Aug 9, 2009 11:02:59pm |
re: #625 srb1976
As far as the health care debate goes, the only really telling piece of information I have is this:
Better is covered by both the VA and medicare...and chooses to use my insurance as his primary, because he gets treated better
ACK!!! should be Better Half...sorry
| 627 |
Dark_Falcon Sun, Aug 9, 2009 11:03:20pm |
re: #620 iceweasel
Hello iceweasel. I hope you are well, though I disagree with you about the protesters. Sadly, I'll have to wait till tomorrow to express that disagreement. I'm fading fast and need to get to bed. Goodnight, all.
| 628 |
The Left Sun, Aug 9, 2009 11:03:29pm |
re: #624 Last Mohican
You're moving the goalposts, answering a question that wasn't asked, and ignoring the point.
The question was, why is this astroturfing? I have answered that.
| 629 |
Syrah Sun, Aug 9, 2009 11:03:40pm |
re: #620 iceweasel
So like I said, when the left does it, they just call it community organizing . . .
A rose by another name . . .
| 630 |
The Left Sun, Aug 9, 2009 11:04:11pm |
re: #627 Dark_Falcon
Hello iceweasel. I hope you are well, though I disagree with you about the protesters. Sadly, I'll have to wait till tomorrow to express that disagreement. I'm fading fast and need to get to bed. Goodnight, all.
Hey DF! *waves* sorry to have missed you-- sleep well and we'll catch up soon, I hope.
| 631 |
MrPaulRevere Sun, Aug 9, 2009 11:04:47pm |
re: #606 Last Mohican
You obviously don't get it. Opponents of health care 'reform' are not allowed to exchange e-mails or anything of that nature. ///
| 632 |
BatGuano Sun, Aug 9, 2009 11:04:47pm |
Good evening/morning everyone. I have no idea what is going on here. :)
| 633 |
Syrah Sun, Aug 9, 2009 11:05:59pm |
re: #631 MrPaulRevere
You obviously don't get it. Opponents of health care 'reform' are not allowed to exchange e-mails or anything of that nature. ///
Of course not. That would be "Fake" opposition.
| 634 |
shiek al beif salami Sun, Aug 9, 2009 11:06:35pm |
re: #628 iceweasel
The point is that congress and the president have screwed up the presentation of whatever it is they want to accomplish. It's like asking someone if they want a piece of chocolate cake and then squeezing it onto the plate. No matter how good the chocolate cake, no one is going to want it.
| 635 |
BatGuano Sun, Aug 9, 2009 11:06:36pm |
Ice! You changed you avatar. Did you run it past the Central committee?
| 636 |
srb1976 Sun, Aug 9, 2009 11:06:45pm |
re: #632 BatGuano
Good evening/morning everyone. I have no idea what is going on here. :)
Me neither...don't let that stop ya = )
| 638 |
NY Nana Sun, Aug 9, 2009 11:07:33pm |
Off to sleep I go!
G'nite, Lizards. Sweet dreams!
| 639 |
shiek al beif salami Sun, Aug 9, 2009 11:07:44pm |
re: #635 BatGuano
As in bat guano crazy? Rich in phosphates, that.
| 640 |
srb1976 Sun, Aug 9, 2009 11:09:07pm |
re: #637 BatGuano
Hi SRB!
Shhh...I'm supposed to be sleeping...starting days Tuesday (blech!)
Good to see ya = )
| 641 |
Last Mohican Sun, Aug 9, 2009 11:09:47pm |
re: #628 iceweasel
The question was, why is this astroturfing? I have answered that.
No, that's not really the question. The question is, why is it "astroturfing" when right-wing political groups establish email lists and encourage members to go and protest, whereas when left-wing political groups do it, it's "activism" or "community organizing" or "letting our voices be heard."
| 642 |
Gus Sun, Aug 9, 2009 11:10:00pm |
re: #620 iceweasel
Because rather than being a spontaneous expression generated by the people, it's massaged and guided by fake foundations like FreedomWorks and by various others who are concerned with opposition to the Dem agenda by any means necessary. People's understandable worries and concerns are being manipulated and whipped up into a frothy mess of outrage-- primarily with the objective of creating youtube videos to spread the appearance of this being 'grassroots'. We see opportunists like Palin spreading lies about euthanasia.
Consequently we see hysteria and delusion that bears no resemblance to reality-- seniors on Medicare shrieking about how they don't want government health care. It's sad.
One reason it's sad is that it's shutting down the opportunity for real debate and real understanding about what's being proposed and what isn't. When speakers are drowned out by chants of "Tyranny! Tyranny! Tyranny!" before they even begin to speak-- when their attempt to even answer a question is shouted down-- when they're chased to their cars by angry rabble-- all of this IS profoundly anti-democracy.
You can't judge a movement by the actions of a few and a couple of Youtube videos that have been posted on the web.
As far as 'astroturfing' is concerned the SEIU has been engaged on the front line of this whole "debate" for several years now. They are the masters of 'astroturfing' although that is not the name given to their organized activities that do not meet the criteria of the opposition.
At least Freedomworks doesn't have the distinction of being tied in with political corruption with the likes of Blagojevich, Ludlow, and Humphries as indicated above. That distinction of course belongs to the thugs at the SEIU.
You want "by any means necessary" and a "full contact" sport then you call who the DNC always calls when in need of political muscles: the AFL-CIO, AFSCME, SEIU, and any other union.
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Scion9 Sun, Aug 9, 2009 11:10:02pm |
The wikipedia entry on 'astroturfing'.
The term is overused imo. It's the new term for 'activism' essentially, when the definition is actually much narrower.
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DesertSage Sun, Aug 9, 2009 11:10:49pm |
Fvcking Pelosi is really, really starting to irritate me.
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srb1976 Sun, Aug 9, 2009 11:11:49pm |
re: #644 DesertSage
Fvcking Pelosi is really, really starting to irritate me.
Just starting? She reached the "sand in your swimsuit" level with me last year some time = )
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karmic_inquisitor Sun, Aug 9, 2009 11:12:31pm |
Washington Post is now publishing an accounting of how the war in Afghanistan may end up costing much more than Iraq.
[Link: www.washingtonpost.com...]
So where are all of the penny pinchers who said that freedom for Iraqis was too expensive and that the insurgents were freedom fighters and all of that.
Checked the street corners today - no protestors calling for an immediate end of war and brandishing peace signs.
I guess the morality of taking lives comes down to who gets the credit / who takes the blame. Not a new idea to the Left - ask Stalin.
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Syrah Sun, Aug 9, 2009 11:12:52pm |
re: #643 Scion9
The wikipedia entry on 'astroturfing'.
The term is overused imo. It's the new term for 'activism' essentially, when the definition is actually much narrower.
It is a pejorative term in a way that activism or community organizing is not.
Astroturfing is what you call it when the other side is doing it to you.
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Gus Sun, Aug 9, 2009 11:12:57pm |
Blagojevich Connected to SEIU Corruption
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DesertSage Sun, Aug 9, 2009 11:14:43pm |
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Scion9 Sun, Aug 9, 2009 11:15:01pm |
re: #643 Scion9
Also I wouldn't characterize these protests as astroturf. I'm sure there are some hardcore activists like the RP Revolution guys, and some insurance industry lobbyists as well, but it would be ridiculous to contend that a whole lot of regular people aren't seriously concerned over this.
Even if a radio host is blatantly lying to people to get them whipped up into a frenzy, that isn't astroturfing. Astroturfing is about creating the perception that such a frenzy exists when it does not. If you successfully caused an actual frenzy, you aren't an astroturfer.
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BatGuano Sun, Aug 9, 2009 11:16:15pm |
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Gus Sun, Aug 9, 2009 11:17:01pm |
[SEIU] Union Officials Threaten Nurses with Arrest, Jail, and Fines
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shiek al beif salami Sun, Aug 9, 2009 11:17:13pm |
re: #652 Scion9
astroturf is the completely artificial version of grassroots, which these protesters seem to be.
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Racer X Sun, Aug 9, 2009 11:17:21pm |
Extinct Walking Bat Found; Upends Evolutionary Theory
A walking bat in New Zealand took its marching orders from an ancestor, a new fossil-bat discovery reveals.
Scientists had long thought that the lesser short-tailed bat evolved its walking preference independently.
Since the bat's native habitat lacks predators, researchers reasoned that—much like flightless birds on isolated islands—the bat had adapted to its safer surroundings in part by walking.
But the discovery of fossils of a now extinct walking bat in northwestern Queensland, Australia, suggests that the modern-day bats descended from 20-million-year-old Australian relatives.
"We were amazed to find they were virtually identical to the bats in New Zealand today," said study leader Sue Hand, a paleontologist at the University of New South Wales in Sydney.
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Last Mohican Sun, Aug 9, 2009 11:18:14pm |
I'd like to take this opportunity to re-post a link that I posted earlier in this thread. It's the SEIU's page on health care, encouraging its members to "Take Part in August Health Care Recess Events Across the U.S."
It features a photo of exuberant SEIU members at a demonstration, waving pro-Obamacare placards that were pre-printed by the SEIU, and wearing T-shirts that the SEIU printed up with pro-Obamacare slogans. Next to that photo, there's a link where you can find a list of town hall meetings and other events in your area where the SEIU would like you to go and demonstrate. Below that, there are several lists of talking points that the SEIU would like you to repeat.
And, amongst all those, there's a little story about how terrible it is that the evil right-wingers are "astroturfing" by organizing anti-Obamacare demonstrations.
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MrPaulRevere Sun, Aug 9, 2009 11:18:53pm |
re: #648 Syrah
Thanks for your honesty. It all boils down to the 'my team is right, your team is wrong' mentality.
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Syrah Sun, Aug 9, 2009 11:21:41pm |
re: #652 Scion9
This stuff is as old as politics itself.
I have not heard of anyone being paid to attend those meetings. The attendees clearly care enough to show up at them.
Calling it astroturfing seems to be nothing more then the proponents of the Obamacare proposal trying to marginalize their opposition as being insincere.
Sincerity is very important to the unconstrained.
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Racer X Sun, Aug 9, 2009 11:21:51pm |
re: #659 Last Mohican
Right-wingers are NOT allowed to organize and protest! If they do they are surely terrorists!
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Fenway_Nation Sun, Aug 9, 2009 11:23:33pm |
re: #657 Racer X
It's good to see Helen Thomas re-united with her long-lost family members...
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esch Sun, Aug 9, 2009 11:25:14pm |
re: #620 iceweasel
Because rather than being a spontaneous expression generated by the people, it's massaged and guided by fake foundations like FreedomWorks and by various others who are concerned with opposition to the Dem agenda by any means necessary. People's understandable worries and concerns are being manipulated and whipped up into a frothy mess of outrage-- primarily with the objective of creating youtube videos to spread the appearance of this being 'grassroots'. We see opportunists like Palin spreading lies about euthanasia.
Bullshit.
I watched the local town hall with my Rep that I wasn't able to go to. This in one of the most liberal districts in the country. I recognized many of the people there. I didn't see any astroturf groups like you're referring to. I've read similar reports for town halls all around the country. Certainly it has happened, but it's not the majority.
You're being led around by your preconceptions.You're simply unable to comprehend that the majority of the public DON'T WANT THIS and see it as a grave assault on their freedom, if not their lives. Your attitude is precisely why this is rapidly spiraling out of control.
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Gus Sun, Aug 9, 2009 11:25:28pm |
Service Employees (SEIU)
National Headquarters
WASHINGTON, DC 20005
The Service Employees International Union (SEIU) represents 1.7 million employees in the U.S. Its president, Andrew Stern, is credited with (or blamed for) leading dissident unions to split away from the AFL-CIO in 2005 to create the Change To Win coalition.
Few Americans know much about the SEIU, but they should. Here's why:
Andrew Stern has called the AFL-CIO the Democratic Party's bank -- but his own union is regularly a top political spender, most recently through its powerful "527" committee, which gave millions to political candidates. In 2004, Stern spent at least $65 million of his members' money, much of which supported his favored (but ultimately unsuccessful) presidential candidates. A powerful local of Stern's SEIU budgeted another $35 million of its members' money on political advocacy in 2004, according to union activist and lawyer Nathan Newman.
SEIU Local 880 (which represents workers in Illinois) and Local 100 (representing New Orleans, Texas, and Arkansas) are both run by the often-in-trouble "community group" ACORN -- an organization that has been tied to government fraud, Teamsters election fraud, and recurring voter fraud. Local 100 is run by Wade Rathke, ACORN's head organizer and a chief strategist in the multi-union PR campaign attacking Wal-Mart.
Leadership
Top 10 International SEIU Leaders & Staff (by Salary)
Name Title Total Compensation
Andrew Stern International President $ 258,731
Anna Burger International Sec-treas $ 228,608
Marykay Henry Exec Vice President $ 206,217
Tom Woodruff Exec Vice President $ 197,166
Eliseo Medina Exec Vice President $ 194,336
Gina Glantz Sr Advisor To President $ 184,193
Gerald Hudson Exec Vice President $ 183,447
George Franciscojr. Executive Board $ 183,104
James Johnston Jr. Area Director $ 179,646
Larry Mcneil Dir, Institute For Change $ 171,080
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shiek al beif salami Sun, Aug 9, 2009 11:26:04pm |
re: #665 Fenway_Nation
Helen Thomas. Just as I was drifting off. It's going to be a long, sleepless night.
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shiek al beif salami Sun, Aug 9, 2009 11:27:42pm |
re: #667 Gus 802
The next name on the list is: Maria Sanchez, cleaner, Motel 6. $5.75 per hour.
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Gus Sun, Aug 9, 2009 11:29:38pm |
re: #669 shiek al beif salami
The next name on the list is: Maria Sanchez, cleaner, Motel 6. $5.75 per hour.
On that list? Maybe. Perhaps one of the undocumented workers at a congressperson's estate grounds as well. ;)
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Racer X Sun, Aug 9, 2009 11:29:55pm |
re: #666 esch
It is inconceivable to those on the left that right-wingers would actually take time off of work to go to a political protest.
It just has to be a devious plot.
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Last Mohican Sun, Aug 9, 2009 11:30:01pm |
re: #669 shiek al beif salami
The next name on the list is: Maria Sanchez, cleaner, Motel 6. $5.75 per hour.
And if Maria knows what's good for her, she'd better head down to the town-hall meeting demonstration and hand out the glossy pro-Obamacare pamphlets that the SEIU has spent her union dues to print up.
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shiek al beif salami Sun, Aug 9, 2009 11:32:11pm |
re: #673 Last Mohican
She can't; she's too busy doing the jobs Andrew Stern and Anna Berger (Anna Berger?) won't do.
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Silvergirl Sun, Aug 9, 2009 11:35:20pm |
re: #558 realwest
"I'm pretty sure Charles wrote somewhere that he hadn't made up his mind about the whole health care thing. Those of us who have made up our minds and don't want this whole mess have more understanding of motivation for protesting it."
Well I certainly hope you're correct and I've been misunderstanding what Charles is saying out here.
But I do confess to having a vested interest in this entire health care business; right now Medicare is the only thing slowing down the progress of my cancer and MAY at some point, put it in remission again long enough for the Mayo Clinic to finish it's full tilt boogie trial run of a new drug which CURES even Advanced Prostate cancer and get the drug out to the doctors. So that's a major part of MY bias on this. But I'm also biased because of statments made by Obama and Reid (and Shumer) to the effect of We (the Democrats) have the ability to make this health care "reform law" into law, whether or not ANY Republicans agree with it. Reforming health care in our complex society I think requires a lot more time and a lot more study to accomplish. And frankly, the idea of it being crammed into my life as my health care, whether or not I like it OR HAVE ANY SAY IN IT bothers me enormously.
But I do hope you're right. If Charles decides that there is a lot of angry, upset Americans who are angry and upset because they either don't understand the health care bill or because they do, NOT because they are being astroturfed, then perhaps he'll be able to rein in the MSM once again.
Sorry I missed you, realwest. You already said your good-night before I got back.
I was trying to go by memory on what Charles has posted about his feelings on health care, and he said it a little earlier than I had thought. I thought it was in a thread from yesterday. Anyway, here is the link where he says, "I'm undecided on the whole issue of national health care . . ."
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Gus Sun, Aug 9, 2009 11:37:44pm |
Speaking of health, still have this flu hovering over me... good night!
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esch Sun, Aug 9, 2009 11:38:36pm |
Oh, and in relation to Palin's 'Death Panel' :
Ezekiel Emanual, key Obama health care advisor has called for precisely that (if not in those words) in his Principles for Allocation of Scarce Medical Interventions proposal.
Hell, I've seen estimates that 15-20% of deaths in the Netherlands years past are a result of 'Physician assisted suicide without explicit medical request'. That's how they're trying to balance the books.link
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BatGuano Sun, Aug 9, 2009 11:44:59pm |
re: #657 Racer X
Evolutionary theory is always reversing itself. They need to go back to the drawing board.
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freetoken Mon, Aug 10, 2009 12:00:50am |
re: #657 Racer X
David Attenborough discusses the walking bats in one of the episodes of his "The Mammals" series. Interesting video.
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huckfunn Mon, Aug 10, 2009 6:36:49am |
Government Health Care in Stealth Mode
Good article by Michael Barone.
Schakowsky is a left-wing Democrat from the north side of Chicago and adjacent suburbs and, as chief deputy whip, part of the House Democratic leadership. The video shows her speaking to an enthusiastic group last April. She cites an insurance company spokesman as saying, "A public option will put the private insurance industry out of business and lead to single-payer." The audience cheers. "My single-payer friends," she goes on, "he was right." Later she adds, "This is not a principled fight. This is a fight about strategy for getting there, and I believe we will."
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