Congress Spends $550 Million on a Fleet of Private Jets - Update: Jet Order Cut in Half

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Can you say, “massive, overweening chutzpah?”

With 14 million Americans still out of work, Congress is seeking $550 million for eight new aircraft that would increase the fleet the Air Force uses to ferry senators and representatives to war zones such as Iraq and Afghanistan as well less dangerous locations like London, Paris and the Galapagos.

No question, congressional travel is on the upswing. Overseas trips by lawmakers has increased almost tenfold since 1995. Last year, members of Congress spent $13 million in travel expenses, not counting airfare. So the Obama administration requested $220 million in its budget to buy four passenger jets for congressional use, including two that are currently being leased by the Air Force.

For some reason, the House Appropriations Committee thought that wasn’t enough. So just before lawmakers left for August recess, the House doubled the order to eight aircraft, at a cost of $550 million.

UPDATE at 8/11/09 12:42:39 pm:

After the plan was exposed, House Dems decided it didn’t really look good, so they reduced the order by half: Murtha Says VIP Jets Will Be Cut From $636.3 Billion Measure.

Aug. 11 (Bloomberg) — U.S. House leaders say they will drop plans to purchase four more VIP jets than were requested by the Department of Defense to transport government officials on foreign trips.

Representative John Murtha, the Pennsylvania Democrat who leads the House defense appropriations subcommittee, said he would cut the additional aircraft from legislation that would provide $636.3 billion for the U.S. military in fiscal 2010.

“If the Department of Defense does not want these aircraft, they will be eliminated from the bill,” Murtha said in a statement issued yesterday.

That’s much better. So they’re only spending $220 million now. A measly little $220 million for private jets. Who could begrudge them that?

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259 comments
1 [deleted]  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 12:37:29pm
2 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 12:37:37pm

Bastards!

3 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 12:38:20pm

Confused..
[Link: news.yahoo.com…]

4 ArmyWife  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 12:38:43pm

I need to seek out the link, but didn’t Pelosi say this was ginned up by the Pentagon or something?

5 [deleted]  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 12:38:56pm
6 Dahveed  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 12:38:56pm

According to the front page of The Wall Street Journal it is now $220 million for 4 jets.

7 acwgusa  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 12:39:08pm

Remember! We’re Congress! We know whats good for you!

8 MandyManners  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 12:39:31pm

I heard yesterday that the order has been dropped.

9 Spider Mensch  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 12:39:39pm

re: #6 Dahveed

According to the front page of The Wall Street Journal it is now $220 million for 4 jets.

yes..[Link: online.wsj.com…]

10 Radicchio ad Absurdum  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 12:39:41pm

Brackish water and moldy bread is too good for our public servants in congress

11 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 12:39:45pm

re: #6 Dahveed

Oh. That’s all? Well, then…okay.

Bastards!

12 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 12:40:22pm

Yes, it appears I did say it twice.

13 wiffersnapper  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 12:40:29pm

Private jets. Because Congress is doing such a wonderful job!

14 avanti  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 12:40:36pm

re: #6 Dahveed

According to the front page of The Wall Street Journal it is now $220 million for 4 jets.

Yes, the plan was dropped.

Jets

15 MJ  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 12:40:48pm

re: #1 buzzsawmonkey

The carbon! Won’t somebody please think of the carbon?

Does carbon paper contribute to global warming?

16 wee fury  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 12:40:52pm

I linked to this article last night — WASHINGTON (Reuters) - U.S. House leaders have dropped plans to spend $550 million in the Air Force budget on passenger jets used by lawmakers and senior government officials, officials said on Monday.

The House of Representatives reversed the move to upgrade the executive jet fleet after public criticism, opposition from other lawmakers and the Defense Department had said it did not need more planes that it had requested.

17 wiffersnapper  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 12:40:54pm

/sarc

;)

18 Occasional Reader  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 12:40:57pm
as well less dangerous locations like London, Paris and the Galapagos.

Who says the Galapagos aren’t dangerous? Why, I hear entire species have been wiped out there!

19 Kosh's Shadow  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 12:40:59pm

re: #5 buzzsawmonkey

I’m sure the only reason they are doing this is to save or create jobs in the aircraft industry.

Well, if these are the Gulfstreams I’ve heard of, they are largely built by Israel Aircraft Industries, and the interiors are installed in the US.
I wonder if Saudi Arabia allows the planes to fly there?

20 MandyManners  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 12:41:23pm

There are people out there who would harm the leaders of both bodies.

21 Oh no...Sand People!  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 12:41:31pm

The bastards have to cordon themselves off from ‘we the peasants’.

22 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 12:41:31pm

re: #1 buzzsawmonkey

OT: Repost from last thread, in case you missed it:

I spotted this the other day, and immediately thought of you, and the way you caution people about revealing too much personal info on the web.

If you absolutely, positively, must have a Facebook/MySpace page, please have the common sense not to add your boss as a “Friend”.

23 wiffersnapper  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 12:41:37pm

Dude, where’s my private jet?

24 Cato the Elder  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 12:41:50pm

OK, now it’s pitchfork time.

Can anyone tell me how many GOPers voted against this measure?

25 Occasional Reader  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 12:42:01pm

re: #5 buzzsawmonkey

I’m sure the only reason they are doing this is to save or create jobs in the aircraft industry.

I can think of an excellent plan to do just that. It’s called, “don’t axe F-22 production”.

(Insert “don’t axe, don’t tell” pun here… c’mon, you know you want to)

26 ArmyWife  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 12:42:15pm

re: #20 MandyManners

Plus they smell.

27 American Sabra  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 12:42:41pm

re: #20 MandyManners

There are people out there who would harm the leaders of both bodies.

With video conferencing, instant messaging and the like, why do they have to go at all?

28 MandyManners  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 12:42:43pm

re: #23 wiffersnapper

Dude, where’s my private jet?

Your unicorn is flying it.

29 [deleted]  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 12:42:44pm
30 ArmyWife  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 12:43:01pm

re: #24 Cato the Elder

I don’t care if it’s Dems or Republicans - arrogance is not discriminatory.

31 [deleted]  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 12:43:20pm
32 Killgore Trout  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 12:43:30pm

re: #3 Cannadian Club Akbar

Confused..
[Link: news.yahoo.com…]

Yeah, last I heard they canceled it.

33 MandyManners  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 12:43:33pm

re: #26 ArmyWife

Plus they smell.

Pelosi reeks.

34 MandyManners  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 12:43:58pm

re: #27 American Sabra

With video conferencing, instant messaging and the like, why do they have to go at all?

I don’t know.

35 Charles Johnson  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 12:44:09pm

No — the order was not dropped. They just cut the extra four jets from the order, so now it’s a mere $220 million.

36 Honorary Yooper  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 12:44:28pm

Congress, buying the private jets they told the CEOs not to.

37 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 12:44:41pm

re: #32 Killgore Trout

Yeah, last I heard they canceled it.

I would love to go Emily Latella on this. Really, I don’t have to be right in my indignation.

38 American Sabra  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 12:44:45pm

re: #22 Slumbering Behemoth

OT: Repost from last thread, in case you missed it:

I spotted this the other day, and immediately thought of you, and the way you caution people about revealing too much personal info on the web.

If you absolutely, positively, must have a Facebook/MySpace page, please have the common sense not to add your boss as a “Friend”.

Moron of a woman. My husband calls it “natural selection.”

39 Radicchio ad Absurdum  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 12:44:45pm

re: #33 MandyManners

Pelosi reeks.

Is it all the formaldehyde used to preserve that lovely skin?

40 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 12:44:46pm

Ho Hum. This and a lot of other stories will be coming out during the break and the Democrats will make sure they get a lot of play. This is all a bunch of false flag stuff to try to keep the conservatives away from the subject of health care.

Yes, i think this is a big waste of money and not needed, but the amount of money they are talking about is not really worth our time and effort to complain about.

Keep your eye on health care.

41 Occasional Reader  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 12:44:52pm

So I guess this means they’ll be giving up their reserved parking spaces at Reagan National, right?

[crickets]

42 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 12:44:54pm

So, leaders of industry shouldn’t fly jets because their company is running a deficit, but elected officials…Aw, forget it.

43 MandyManners  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 12:44:59pm

re: #35 Charles

No — the order was not dropped. They just cut the extra four jets from the order, so now it’s a mere $220 million.

Is that all?

44 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 12:45:10pm

re: #37 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Did I say that twice too?

45 ArmyWife  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 12:45:24pm

re: #35 Charles

Murtha states those are to replace aging planes with mechanical issues. Why would they trot Murtha out to be the spokescreep for this stuff?

46 MandyManners  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 12:45:27pm

re: #39 Radicchio ad Absurdum

Is it all the formaldehyde used to preserve that lovely skin?

That and the over-abundance of Botox.

47 doppelganglander  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 12:45:42pm
Update: Jet Order Cut in Half


What are they going to do with eight half jets? And are they getting front ends or back ends?

48 NukeAtomrod  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 12:45:45pm

They should be flying coach. They do not need to spend our money to jet around in luxury.

49 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 12:45:50pm

re: #45 ArmyWife

Murtha states those are to replace aging planes with mechanical issues. Why would they trot Murtha out to be the spokescreep for this stuff?

Check his district?

50 [deleted]  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 12:45:52pm
51 Racer X  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 12:45:55pm

And these assholes in congress wonder why citizens show up at town halls and yell at them?

52 quiet man  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 12:45:58pm

Murtha does need planes for his airport…

53 Charles Johnson  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 12:46:08pm

I’m not sure why Congressmen can’t fly on the same military transports soldiers use.

54 Occasional Reader  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 12:46:08pm

re: #40 Walter L. Newton

This is all a bunch of false flag stuff to try to keep the conservatives away from the subject of health care.

I think you’re trying too hard to find a conspiracy here. It would be a lousy strategy for them to “distract the public”… by making themselves look like greedy, callous idiots.

55 zombie  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 12:46:17pm
With 14 million Americans still out of work, Congress is seeking $550 million for eight new aircraft that would increase the fleet the Air Force uses to ferry senators

Especially ironic because my Senator, Barbara Boxer, earned her reputation (while still a congresswoman in the ’80s) uncovering unnecessary and expensive government and miliitary expenditures (the most famous one being a $500 hammer).

I’ll take a $500 hammer over a $500 million fleet of planes with cushy seats for the Senators’ asses.

56 MandyManners  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 12:46:20pm

re: #41 Occasional Reader

So I guess this means they’ll be giving up their reserved parking spaces at Reagan National, right?

[crickets]

How many reserved spots?

57 Oh no...Sand People!  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 12:46:27pm

How about we just give each one a damn throne and a group of ‘constituents’ to hold it up on their shoulders.

58 Radicchio ad Absurdum  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 12:46:30pm

re: #47 doppelganglander

What are they going to do with eight half jets? And are they getting front ends or back ends?

What if they split them down the middle? Leave it to the gov to order all left sides./

59 Killgore Trout  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 12:46:35pm

re: #35 Charles

Ah, I missed the nuance. Maybe I was distracted by the busty blond on the sidebar.

60 MandyManners  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 12:46:40pm

re: #41 Occasional Reader

So I guess this means they’ll be giving up their reserved parking spaces at Reagan National, right?

[crickets]

Wait a minute. I thought they rode in limos.

61 [deleted]  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 12:46:44pm
62 quiet man  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 12:47:00pm

re: #53 Charles
No room service om military…maybe the C5..bnut that plane is hard to make puddle jumps with

63 wee fury  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 12:47:19pm

re: #48 NukeAtomrod

They should be flying coach. They do not need to spend our money to jet around in luxury.

That’s right, by G-d! Let them spend 6 hours on the tarmac waiting for a useable gate like the rest of us.

64 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 12:47:33pm
That’s much better. So they’re only spending $220 million now. A measly little $220 million for private jets. Who could begrudge them that?

Is that all? I spend more than that on beer and pr0n in a week.
/not really, I gets all my pr0n for free

65 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 12:47:40pm

re: #54 Occasional Reader

I think you’re trying too hard to find a conspiracy here. It would be a lousy strategy for them to “distract the public”… by making themselves look like greedy, callous idiots.

They are not making themselves look like greedy, callous idiots, they already are.

66 CyanSnowHawk  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 12:47:42pm

It’s a stimulus for the jet manufacturers that they fucked over when they made such a big issue of private companies using private jets.
/

67 Dianna  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 12:47:43pm
That’s much better. So they’re only spending $220 million now. A measly little $220 million for private jets. Who could begrudge them that?

Me?

68 quiet man  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 12:47:48pm

re: #63 wee fury
How about overnight with babies,,

that is in the news..

69 zombie  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 12:47:51pm

re: #53 Charles

I’m not sure why Congressmen can’t fly on the same military transports soldiers use.

Because the military transport planes don’t have massage tables, Quadraphonic Sound, or condom dispensers.

70 NukeAtomrod  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 12:48:00pm

I wonder how many private jets the Federal Office of Health Care will need to operate ineffectively.

71 Occasional Reader  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 12:48:13pm

re: #56 MandyManners

How many reserved spots?

I don’t know, I’ve never counted them.

72 tradewind  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 12:48:14pm

Wow, these are cost-conscious SOB’s! I’m impressed, and now I’m ready to jump on board with Obamacare. They’ve shown they can handle the money.

73 MandyManners  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 12:48:16pm

re: #53 Charles

I’m not sure why Congressmen can’t fly on the same military transports soldiers use.

Because they’re SPAYSHUL SNOWFLAKES!

74 Honorary Yooper  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 12:48:32pm

re: #53 Charles

I’m not sure why Congressmen can’t fly on the same military transports soldiers use.

I like that option better than making them fly in coach. IIRC, there’s few ammenities on those transports such as a lack of meal service, drink service, bring your own pillow, do your own baggage handling, etc. Do they even have washrooms on those transports?

75 doppelganglander  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 12:48:36pm

re: #48 NukeAtomrod

They should be flying coach. They do not need to spend our money to jet around in luxury.

Could you imagine the earful they’d get from their constituents if they flew coach? Who needs an in-flight movie when you’ve got that kind of entertainment?

76 Oh no...Sand People!  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 12:48:38pm

I am getting seriously miffed… gotta sign out.

Later all.

77 ArmyWife  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 12:48:39pm

re: #69 zombie

About those condom dispensers - they come in the form of 1SGs.

78 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 12:48:44pm

CHANGE!!

79 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 12:48:45pm

re: #53 Charles

I know why. Would you want to sit by a Marine you had recently referred to as a baby killing murderer?

80 quiet man  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 12:48:52pm

re: #69 zombie
We had 92 F-111s loaded with condomes and 8000 hard bound copies of the naked lunch


just in case they were needed.

81 Occasional Reader  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 12:48:53pm

re: #69 zombie

Because the military transport planes don’t have massage tables, Quadraphonic Sound, or condom dispensers.

I see you’ve checked out the schematics for Occasional Reader One.

Yeah, baby! Yeah, yeah!

82 American Sabra  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 12:49:06pm

re: #34 MandyManners

I don’t know.

lol I wasn’t asking you specifically. I just mean that we’ve done these kind of things to cut travel costs in my office.

Yea, I know, I’m blowing it out my wazoo, but I think I’ll write to my congressperson anyway.

83 CyanSnowHawk  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 12:49:12pm

re: #39 Radicchio ad Absurdum

Is it all the formaldehyde used to preserve that lovely skin?

It’s the epoxy they use to keep her eyeballs from falling out.

84 jones  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 12:49:19pm

What about Gaia?

85 doppelganglander  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 12:49:21pm

re: #58 Radicchio ad Absurdum

What if they split them down the middle? Leave it to the gov to order all left sides./

Clever. And may I also say, I love your nic.

86 quiet man  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 12:49:30pm

re: #79 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
The reps really would fly then..vietnam style

laugh

87 MandyManners  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 12:49:51pm

re: #71 Occasional Reader

I don’t know, I’ve never counted them.

I wonder if each member has one. That’s a lot of spots.

88 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 12:50:14pm

re: #69 zombie

Because the military transport planes don’t have massage tables, Quadraphonic Sound, or condom dispensers.

Why would they need condom dispensers? All they ever do is fuck themselves.

89 quiet man  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 12:50:28pm

re: #88 Walter L. Newton

and us

90 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 12:50:43pm

re: #88 Walter L. Newton

Why would they need condom dispensers? All they ever do is fuck themselves.

And us.

91 Occasional Reader  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 12:50:44pm

Later.

92 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 12:50:45pm

re: #81 Occasional Reader

How big’s the rubber band?

93 Honorary Yooper  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 12:50:48pm

re: #88 Walter L. Newton

Why would they need condom dispensers? All they ever do is fuck themselves.

No, they fuck us, over and over again.

94 ArmyWife  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 12:50:49pm

re: #88 Walter L. Newton

I don’t know, Walter. I’m feeling a bit defiled by this group as of late.

95 MandyManners  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 12:50:59pm

re: #79 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I know why. Would you want to sit by a Marine you had recently referred to as a baby killing murderer?

DING!

96 zombie  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 12:50:59pm

re: #81 Occasional Reader

I see you’ve checked out the schematics for Occasional Reader One.

Yeah, baby! Yeah, yeah!

But…condoms block the necessary exchange of precious bodily fluids! How else can we balance our yin and yang without a regular chi exchange?

97 Racer X  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 12:51:07pm

re: #53 Charles

I’m not sure why Congressmen can’t fly on the same military transports soldiers use.

Why would a politician need to go at all? Other than a photo op?

98 quiet man  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 12:51:17pm

leading the “and us” parade…again

99 doppelganglander  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 12:51:23pm

re: #81 Occasional Reader

I see you’ve checked out the schematics for Occasional Reader One.

Yeah, baby! Yeah, yeah!

I’m picturing Tony Stark’s plane in “Iron Man,” with the stewardesses in retro uniforms pole dancing and serving cocktails. Which, if I were a man, I would probably think is really cool.

100 MikeAlv77  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 12:51:52pm

re: #99 doppelganglander

I’m picturing Tony Stark’s plane in “Iron Man,” with the stewardesses in retro uniforms pole dancing and serving cocktails. Which, if I were a man, I would probably think is really cool.

I’m a man… and it is really cool…

101 Racer X  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 12:52:07pm

re: #64 Slumbering Behemoth

Is that all? I spend more than that on beer and pr0n in a week.
/not really, I gets all my pr0n for free

Link?

/

102 MandyManners  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 12:52:24pm

re: #82 American Sabra

lol I wasn’t asking you specifically. I just mean that we’ve done these kind of things to cut travel costs in my office.

Yea, I know, I’m blowing it out my wazoo, but I think I’ll write to my congressperson anyway.

Write to both rep and sen.

103 NukeAtomrod  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 12:52:37pm

re: #75 doppelganglander

Could you imagine the earful they’d get from their constituents if they flew coach? Who needs an in-flight movie when you’ve got that kind of entertainment?

They’d have a nice quiet flight, just as soon as they started doing the job we elected them for.

104 Dianna  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 12:52:43pm

re: #96 zombie

But…condoms block the necessary exchange of precious bodily fluids! How else can we balance our yin and yang without a regular chi exchange?

Come visit my dojang, zombie!

105 Honorary Yooper  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 12:52:45pm

re: #97 Racer X

Why would a politician need to go at all? Other than a photo op?

True, we should make them drive their own cars, no mileage reimbursement.

106 Blanche DeTritus  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 12:52:45pm
With 14 million Americans still out of work, Congress is seeking $550 million for eight new aircraft that would increase the fleet the Air Force uses to ferry senators and representatives to war zones such as Iraq and Afghanistan as well less dangerous locations like London, Paris and the Galapagos.

The person who wrote this does not know Paris!

The George V can be very dangerous when a sale is happening.

The worst are the wives of the dictators of small countries. They will have their body guards run over anyone who gets in the way and when people complain they scream “immunity!”

So the wives of the Senators and Congressmen should be sure to make their husbands buy some Hummers too!

107 quiet man  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 12:52:47pm

re: #100 MikeAlv77
I too, might like that level of service in the air..

El Meuy Macho lives!!

108 TheMatrix31  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 12:53:07pm

So what did the “intellectual genius” of a President that we’re “blessed” with say?

109 MandyManners  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 12:53:12pm

re: #84 jones

What about Gaia?

Is that the name of the stewardess flight attendant?

110 Coracle  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 12:53:13pm

I don’t understand why congressfolk can’t fly commercial. Or, if there are going to be several on a particular ‘mission’, the occasional charter. Don’t some/many of them commute from their home states to DC that way?

111 American Sabra  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 12:53:52pm

Question, did we just find out about this now? Apparently it’s been going on for some time no? Albeit smaller amounts… give or take some millions.

112 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 12:53:54pm

re: #48 NukeAtomrod

They should be flying coach. They do not need to spend our money to jet around in luxury.

Imagine how much time and money would be spent on security for something like that, and the increased inconvenience imposed on ordinary travelers like us if we had to share a flight with them. I cannot begrudge them private flights.

re: #53 Charles

I’m not sure why Congressmen can’t fly on the same military transports soldiers use.

This, however, sounds like a much better alternative, and comes with the added security already built in.

113 Radicchio ad Absurdum  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 12:54:01pm

re: #106 Blanche DeTritus

The person who wrote this does not know Paris!

The George V can be very dangerous when a sale is happening.

The worst are the wives of the dictators of small countries. They will have their body guards run over anyone who gets in the way and when people complain they scream “immunity!”

So the wives of the Senators and Congressmen should be sure to make their husbands buy some Hummers too!

I’m sure the congressmen buy plenty of hummers wherever they are./

114 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 12:54:17pm

re: #106 Blanche DeTritus

The person who wrote this does not know Paris!

The George V can be very dangerous when a sale is happening.

The worst are the wives of the dictators of small countries. They will have their body guards run over anyone who gets in the way and when people complain they scream “immunity!”

So the wives of the Senators and Congressmen should be sure to make their husbands buy some Hummers too!

Les Halles is dangerous on any given day. It’s the only place in Paris i can still get lost in.

115 [deleted]  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 12:54:27pm
116 Racer X  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 12:54:37pm

Honest question - why go at all?

America is in a deep financial crisis. We need to seriously stop spending money on stupid crap. This qualifies.

117 P. Aaron  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 12:54:37pm

Congress: “We have to print the money before we can spend it.”

118 Pianobuff  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 12:55:18pm

re: #106 Blanche DeTritus

The person who wrote this does not know Paris!

The George V can be very dangerous when a sale is happening.

The worst are the wives of the dictators of small countries. They will have their body guards run over anyone who gets in the way and when people complain they scream “immunity!”

So the wives of the Senators and Congressmen should be sure to make their husbands buy some Hummers too!

Especially for those trips to Gallerie Lafayette!

119 MandyManners  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 12:55:21pm

re: #106 Blanche DeTritus

The person who wrote this does not know Paris!

The George V can be very dangerous when a sale is happening.

The worst are the wives of the dictators of small countries. They will have their body guards run over anyone who gets in the way and when people complain they scream “immunity!”

So the wives of the Senators and Congressmen should be sure to make their husbands buy some Hummers too!

They can get those on any street corner in D.C..

120 quiet man  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 12:55:33pm

The idea of our idiots in the house and senate actually riding anywhere with our troops is both silly and wishful thinking…

Silly, because of the way our elected treats the military for political gain..and wishful thinking that they might actually honor the people who are on the front line of protecting our freedom and listening to their concerns as if they were American Citizens

121 JustABill  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 12:55:39pm

re: #36 Honorary Yooper

Congress, buying the private jets they told the CEOs not to.

Well now that the CEOs are de facto government employees, perhaps they can get to use one of these jets from time to time…

122 MandyManners  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 12:56:02pm

re: #113 Radicchio ad Absurdum

I’m sure the congressmen buy plenty of hummers wherever they are./

Beat me to it.

123 zombie  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 12:56:14pm

re: #104 Dianna

Come visit my dojang, zombie!

Sounds like one hell of a sexy dojang! Are the belt colors coded like 1970s-era “cruising” hankerchiefs? :

Green belt means I’m available.
Brown belt means I like it rough…

124 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 12:56:29pm

re: #101 Racer X

Link?

/

Link? Link? Why do you assume I have but one?
/

125 Shug  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 12:56:30pm

BRING BACK THE STOCKS!

I’d love to pelt Pelosi with rotten fruit!

126 Radicchio ad Absurdum  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 12:56:34pm

re: #122 MandyManners

Beat me to it.

Dirty minds think alike?

127 eschew_obfuscation  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 12:56:38pm

re: #45 ArmyWife

Murtha states those are to replace aging planes with mechanical issues. Why would they trot Murtha out to be the spokescreep for this stuff?

Murtha is the Chairman of the Defense Subcommittee of the House Appropriations Committee.

128 MandyManners  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 12:56:54pm

re: #106 Blanche DeTritus

Love the nic.

129 MandyManners  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 12:57:46pm

re: #115 taxfreekiller

they only wanted the 4 planes
the cut of the other four is to make it look like they cut something

Same thing will go on when they go back into session after the Aug. break.

All of a sudden the Trial Attys will announce they are taking some cut in tort cases, (it will be half of what they should cut) just enough to make people believe the Donks got them to cut something,, cooked books and lies.

BINGO! BINGO! BINGO!

130 Kosh's Shadow  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 12:58:13pm

re: #57 Oh no…Sand People!

How about we just give each one a damn throne and a group of ‘constituents’ to hold it up on their shoulders.

Don’t give them ideas. They’d consider this a new jobs program.

131 KenJen  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 12:58:29pm

Let them have their jets. It’s worth the money. Can you imagine sitting next to Pelosi or Reid on a long flight. I’d rather walk to my destination.

132 MandyManners  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 12:58:37pm

re: #126 Radicchio ad Absurdum

Dirty minds think alike?

Yep.

133 NukeAtomrod  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 12:58:51pm

re: #112 Slumbering Behemoth

This, however, sounds like a much better alternative, and comes with the added security already built in.

Oh please… Beyond the President, Vice President and maybe the speaker, none of these guys need security. These guys are our representatives, not movie stars. They have nothing to fear from the public and an obligation to live like their constituents.

134 Racer X  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 12:59:03pm

re: #124 Slumbering Behemoth

Link? Link? Why do you assume I have but one?
/

Just stop.

;-)

135 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 12:59:35pm
136 Kosh's Shadow  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 12:59:52pm

re: #62 quiet man

No room service om military…maybe the C5..bnut that plane is hard to make puddle jumps with

C-17’s. They could order a few more that the Air Force could use for military transport when needed.

137 Desert Dog  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 12:59:57pm

re: #131 KenJen

Let them have their jets. It’s worth the money. Can you imagine sitting next to Pelosi or Reid on a long flight. I’d rather walk to my destination.

Let them fly in the cargo hold…stuffed in a box with some air holes cut in…the pampered little princes and princess’

/

138 1SG(ret)  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 1:00:01pm

re: #108 TheMatrix31
ah, duh,ah..ah..let me be clear!

139 tradewind  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 1:00:04pm

re: #112 Slumbering Behemoth

98% of Congressmen are unrecognized by the US population, and in my former life as a flight attendant I had lots of them as pxs… never a ripple. Since I quit shortly after 9-11, I don’t know how they are treated now, maybe with increased press coverage a small percentage of them would be hassled… but not most.
Face it: They don’t want the hassle of commercial. Tough, who does?
But for Congress, Reagan National would have been closed long ago… they keep it as their private air strip.
So use it, already.

140 avanti  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 1:00:27pm

re: #127 eschew_obfuscation

Murtha is the Chairman of the Defense Subcommittee of the House Appropriations Committee.

Yep, and it’s the Pentagon that wanted the first jets, before congress tried to sweeten the deal. Now they are back to just approving the Pentagon’s request to replace some old planes.

141 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 1:00:32pm

re: #131 KenJen

Let them have their jets. It’s worth the money. Can you imagine sitting next to Pelosi or Reid on a long flight. I’d rather walk to my destination.

No, no. I WANT to sit next to them.

142 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 1:00:57pm

re: #134 Racer X

No.

143 Shiplord Kirel  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 1:01:06pm

“Suppose you were a congressman, and suppose you were an idiot. But, I repeat myself.”
-Mark Twain

144 Dianna  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 1:01:22pm

re: #123 zombie

Sounds like one hell of a sexy dojang! Are the belt colors coded like 1970s-era “cruising” hankerchiefs? :

Green belt means I’m available.
Brown belt means I like it rough…

Not…quite.

145 Lincolntf  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 1:01:27pm

I wish there was a Republican in the White House so we could get the handy dandy chart on what 220 million dollars equals in terms of domestic spending.

One hundred million hot lunches stolen from schoolchildren’s mouths, oh my!!!

146 Coracle  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 1:02:20pm

re: #131 KenJen

Let them have their jets. It’s worth the money. Can you imagine sitting next to Pelosi or Reid on a long flight. I’d rather walk to my destination.

Why would you want to pass up the opportunity for a one-on-one town hall? Come armed with facts and civility and could have more influence on a congressperson in two hours than half their entire district in months.

147 KenJen  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 1:02:42pm

re: #141 Cannadian Club Akbar

No, no. I WANT to sit next to them.

Why? Harry looks like he has bad breath and Nancy looks like one to over do the perfume.

148 quiet man  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 1:02:56pm

re: #131 KenJen

Right now..it would be them who would hate to be sitting next to a citizen for a few hours..especially one of the loud, unamerican, swastika carrying KKKers

149 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 1:03:00pm

re: #146 Coracle

Why would you want to pass up the opportunity for a one-on-one town hall? Come armed with facts and civility and could have more influence on a congressperson in two hours than half their entire district in months.


Um…coffee klatches. You are supposed to pay to be heard.

150 MandyManners  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 1:03:14pm

re: #133 NukeAtomrod

Oh please… Beyond the President, Vice President and maybe the speaker, none of these guys need security. These guys are our representatives, not movie stars. They have nothing to fear from the public and an obligation to live like their constituents.

Obama, Biden, Pelosi and Reid.

151 Racer X  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 1:03:35pm

re: #145 Lincolntf

One hundred million hot lunches stolen from schoolchildren’s mouths, oh my!!!

Oh man if only that would become a talking point for every piece of crap pork expense that they try to push on us.

152 tradewind  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 1:03:43pm

re: #146 Coracle

Oh, please… have mercy. Even Congressmen deserve a peaceful flight.
Even the ones I can’t stand… wait til they land, then tail them out of the airport.

153 Killgore Trout  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 1:03:50pm
154 Jack Burton  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 1:04:14pm

Can’t we just get all these rat bastards DSL or Cable internet and have them telecommute. They need to be together in a building in DC all the time about as much as I need an Audi R8.

155 [deleted]  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 1:05:15pm
156 MandyManners  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 1:05:27pm

re: #152 tradewind

Oh, please… have mercy. Even Congressmen deserve a peaceful flight.
Even the ones I can’t stand… wait til they land, then tail them out of the airport.

They deserve eveything the rest of us get.

157 tradewind  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 1:05:29pm

re: #154 ArchangelMichael

No, I want them there under the C-Span cameras. Otherwise we’d never have any idea what was going on.

158 Coracle  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 1:05:49pm

re: #152 tradewind

Oh, please… have mercy. Even Congressmen deserve a peaceful flight.
Even the ones I can’t stand… wait til they land, then tail them out of the airport.

Heh. You have a point. Wait until they need to go to the bathroom.

159 KenJen  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 1:05:51pm

re: #146 Coracle

Why would you want to pass up the opportunity for a one-on-one town hall? Come armed with facts and civility and could have more influence on a congressperson in two hours than half their entire district in months.

They are not listening to the American people now. Why would listen on a flight?

160 TheMatrix31  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 1:06:09pm

re: #152 tradewind

Oh, please… have mercy. Even Congressmen deserve a peaceful flight.
Even the ones I can’t stand… wait til they land, then tail them out of the airport.

Why do they deserve a peaceful flight when they’re flying us off the fucking cliff?

161 Jack Burton  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 1:06:18pm

re: #157 tradewind

No, I want them there under the C-Span cameras. Otherwise we’d never have any idea what was going on.

Out the CSPAN camera in their local offices.

162 Shug  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 1:06:23pm

forget private jets.
forget military transport aircraft
forget first class on Delta or United.
forget Amtrak

let those bastards Go Greyhound

163 Jack Burton  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 1:06:36pm

re: #161 ArchangelMichael

Put

PIMF

164 reloadingisnotahobby  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 1:06:39pm

We …meaning U.S. are flying thousands of LARGE AIRCRAFT
to all those places each year!
Well maybe not the Galapagos…But…
Hitch a ride on any of them any time!
Fly the way our Sons and Daughters in the Military fly !!
Arrogant F&*(tards!

165 tradewind  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 1:06:42pm

re: #156 MandyManners

Which in most cases is a flight free from button- holers, as long as your book is wide enough. I agree.

166 KenJen  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 1:06:50pm

re: #153 Killgore Trout

OT: Baby elephant stuck after falling down manhole in Thailand (video)
Awww, poor ‘lil guy.

I can’t watch. Did they get him out?

167 saberry0530  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 1:07:06pm

SInce they are short planes, as long as they paint them high visibility yellow, i got no problem with it!

168 Killgore Trout  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 1:07:13pm

re: #166 KenJen

Yeah, it has a happy ending.

169 Charles Johnson  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 1:07:14pm

re: #145 Lincolntf

I wish there was a Republican in the White House…

If this was a Republican administration, the original order would have been for 16 jets and they would have reduced it to 12.

170 DaddyG  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 1:07:20pm

re: #53 Charles

I’m not sure why Congressmen can’t fly on the same military transports soldiers use.

Yup. If they are travelling on their own time tell them to strap their butts in the back of the C-17 Globemaster with the other paid professionals and bill their offices for the seat. If the travel is because of a White House or State Department request then bill it to the Executive Branch.

171 voirdire  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 1:07:48pm

Isn’t this kind of bad news for the defense budget? Like where they bury all the shovels and stuff after a forest fire so they can requisition more to keep the budget from going down.

172 Coracle  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 1:07:48pm

re: #159 KenJen

They are not listening to the American people now.

Reasonable people can disagree on that. I would also prefer not to overgeneralize.

Why would listen on a flight?

You never know until you try.

173 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 1:07:50pm

re: #167 saberry0530

SInce they are short planes, as long as they paint them high visibility yellow, i got no problem with it!

That is freaking funny right there!

174 tradewind  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 1:07:57pm

re: #160 TheMatrix31

Because they’re off the effing clock?
Hey, I don’t like them anymore than you do. I’m just making a humanitarian plea for peace on a confined space traveling 38k up at 600mph.

175 MandyManners  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 1:07:59pm

re: #165 tradewind

Which in most cases is a flight free from button- holers, as long as your book is wide enough. I agree.

Flight attendants can make sure they’re left alone.

176 avanti  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 1:08:16pm

Rep. Senator comments on Palin’s death panel.


Palin.

177 Shiplord Kirel  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 1:08:20pm

re: #53 Charles

I’m not sure why Congressmen can’t fly on the same military transports soldiers use.

Indeed. There are plenty of early model C-130s at the boneyard in Arizona. For smaller junkets, the C-7 Caribou was a great rough field plane in its time. We could save on airport fees by landing them on the nearest suitable stretch of dirt road.

178 eschew_obfuscation  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 1:08:26pm

re: #169 Charles

If this was a Republican administration, the original order would have been for 16 jets and they would have reduced it to 12.

Are you suggesting that Obama told Gates not to ask for more?

179 tradewind  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 1:08:58pm

re: #158 Coracle

There ya go…
:)
No Restroom Sanctuary!

180 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 1:09:06pm

OT.

DrCordell?

Congrats on sweeping the bottom 10 again.

Your pleasuring yourself to it right now.

Enjoy.

181 MandyManners  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 1:09:15pm

Private jets and better health care than their bosses will get.

182 TheMatrix31  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 1:09:18pm

re: #174 tradewind

Because they’re off the effing clock?
Hey, I don’t like them anymore than you do. I’m just making a humanitarian plea for peace on a confined space traveling 38k up at 600mph.

They can fly first class if they want.

183 karmic_inquisitor  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 1:09:28pm

re: #169 Charles

If this was a Republican administration, the original order would have been for 16 jets and they would have reduced it to 12.

And production would have to be moved to either Texas or Mississippi.

184 Dianna  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 1:09:38pm

re: #153 Killgore Trout

OT: Baby elephant stuck after falling down manhole in Thailand (video)
Awww, poor ‘lil guy.

Before I click, did they get him out safely?

185 MandyManners  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 1:10:01pm

re: #180 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

OT.

DrCordell?

Congrats on sweeping the bottom 10 again.

Your pleasuring yourself to it right now.

Enjoy.

*snicker*

186 eschew_obfuscation  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 1:10:06pm

re: #184 Dianna

Before I click, did they get him out safely?

Yeah… it’s really pretty cute.

187 avanti  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 1:10:11pm

re: #169 Charles

If this was a Republican administration, the original order would have been for 16 jets and they would have reduced it to 12.

How about a fiscal conservative in the WH, or are they extinct ?

188 tradewind  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 1:10:23pm

re: #182 TheMatrix31

(Oh yeah, that’ll fly).
Anyway, domestic first class nowdays, isn’t.

189 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 1:10:34pm

If I were an elected official, and there was a seat on a military transport, and a seat on the private jet, I would give the seat to a vet, and take the transport.

You wouldn’t even have to publicize it. Do it enough, and word gets around.

190 Kenneth  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 1:10:36pm

$220 million? How many F-22’s would that buy?

191 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 1:10:39pm

re: #166 KenJen

I can’t watch. Did they get him out?

I know what you mean. I can’t either.

192 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 1:11:25pm

re: #191 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I know what you mean. I can’t either.


Go ahead and click.

193 DaddyG  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 1:11:28pm

re: #187 avanti

How about a fiscal conservative in the WH, or are they extinct ?


Tonight on Discovery “Proto-conservatives. The missing link of American politics.” /

194 karmic_inquisitor  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 1:11:35pm

re: #178 eschew_obfuscation

Are you suggesting that Obama told Gates not to ask for more?

I think Charles is alluding to the fact that many of us voted for fiscal conservatism when we voted for Republicans and got the spendthrift K street project coupled with social conservatism instead.

Which is a big reason why credibility is a major issue.

195 Desert Dog  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 1:11:38pm

re: #187 avanti

How about a fiscal conservative in the WH, or are they extinct ?

Well, good thing the “adults” are in charge now…otherwise they would be spending us into oblivion.

196 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 1:11:43pm

re: #180 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Dang it! You’re!

Grammar much?

197 TheMatrix31  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 1:12:02pm

re: #188 tradewind

(Oh yeah, that’ll fly).
Anyway, domestic first class nowdays, isn’t.

Eh. Hope and change. That’s the answer.

198 Killgore Trout  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 1:12:11pm

re: #184 Dianna

Yes, they rescue him.

199 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 1:12:18pm

Dental appointment. Rather stay here.

200 Dianna  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 1:12:19pm

re: #169 Charles

If this was a Republican administration, the original order would have been for 16 jets and they would have reduced it to 12.

Given the way congress behaved over the past decade or so? Oh, yeah!

201 tradewind  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 1:12:26pm

re: #145 Lincolntf

I wish there was a Republican in the White House…


Not I… there’s no good outcome for any president in this economy and with this set of world circumstances. Let the Dems placehold this one and then clean out the whole mess.

202 Coracle  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 1:12:36pm

re: #190 Kenneth

$220 million? How many F-22’s would that buy?

1.6

203 DaddyG  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 1:12:51pm

re: #199 EmmmieG

Dental appointment. Rather stay here.


We will be rooting for you. Grin and bear it.

204 Killgore Trout  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 1:12:51pm
205 reloadingisnotahobby  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 1:12:57pm

re: #190 Kenneth
1.42…
Maybe!
As I understand it …the Pentagon Gulfstreams are not
as well appointed as the ” Nancy Pelosi ” Model!

206 JCM  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 1:13:28pm

My amendment for congressional travel.

All congress critters are required to use commercial flights.
Coach.
Standby.

TSA would also be mandated to profile congress critters.
Full meal deal searches.

207 JustABill  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 1:13:40pm

re: #177 Shiplord Kirel

Indeed. There are plenty of early model C-130s at the boneyard in Arizona. For smaller junkets, the C-7 Caribou was a great rough field plane in its time. We could save on airport fees by landing them on the nearest suitable stretch of dirt road.

Who needs road, just shove them out. If they voted againt cutting the F22, give them a chute, otherwise…

208 Shiplord Kirel  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 1:13:43pm

At one time the Irish airline Aer Lingus had a Carvair (DC-4 with a nose door) that had been specially fitted to transport horses and other livestock, including the requisite hose connections for washing it out. That would seem to be ideal.

209 reloadingisnotahobby  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 1:13:48pm

re: #199 EmmmieG

Say Ah!

210 eschew_obfuscation  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 1:14:06pm

re: #190 Kenneth

$220 million? How many F-22’s would that buy?

About .0006. at $370,000,000,000 each.

211 Curt  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 1:14:26pm

re: #159 KenJen

They are not listening to the American people now. Why would listen on a flight?

They’d probably demand a sky marshall on each side of them…or one side and claim they had to have the window seat…so no “mob” assaulted them.

212 eschew_obfuscation  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 1:14:31pm

re: #194 karmic_inquisitor

I think Charles is alluding to the fact that many of us voted for fiscal conservatism when we voted for Republicans and got the spendthrift K street project coupled with social conservatism instead.

Which is a big reason why credibility is a major issue.

Agreed, definitely.

213 Kenneth  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 1:14:34pm

re: #202 Coracle

It’s a trick question, of course. It depends on how many you order. The price drops per plane the more you order. But no 2 ways about it, the F-22 is a very expensive bird.

214 DaddyG  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 1:14:48pm

Hmmm… at a total cost = to 1.6 F-22s this may be a good argument for bringing back Kamakaze missions. With Senators piloting we’re talking win/win. ///

215 Desert Dog  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 1:15:00pm

re: #208 Shiplord Kirel

At one time the Irish airline Aer Lingus had a Carvair (DC-4 with a nose door) that had been specially fitted to transport horses and other livestock, including the requisite hose connections for washing it out. That would seem to be ideal.

Yes, the crew would already be wearing hip waders to keep all the BS off their shoes.

216 Spider Mensch  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 1:16:26pm

pelosi don’t need her plane no more..she says her broom is working fine..

217 tradewind  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 1:16:37pm

re: #205 reloadingisnotahobby

Oh yeah… the one with all the new wrinkles that had every kink ironed out before it was released.

218 [deleted]  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 1:17:54pm
219 aboo-Hoo-Hoo  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 1:18:10pm
220 JCM  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 1:18:12pm

re: #208 Shiplord Kirel

At one time the Irish airline Aer Lingus had a Carvair (DC-4 with a nose door) that had been specially fitted to transport horses and other livestock, including the requisite hose connections for washing it out. That would seem to be ideal.

Ernest K. Gann, in Hostage to Fortune wrote about flying a load of sheep IIRC…

221 reloadingisnotahobby  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 1:19:03pm

re: #217 tradewind

Your right!
Give the Bitch an old B-52…They allways look
better in flight …( and from a distance)!

222 aboo-Hoo-Hoo  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 1:19:27pm

re: #162 Shug

forget private jets.
forget military transport aircraft
forget first class on Delta or United.
forget Amtrak

let those bastards Go Greyhound

Better yet: Don’t let the bastards go anywhere.

223 Ojoe  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 1:19:58pm

If the congressmen walked, they might get a better idea of what is going on in the country. Let them walk.

224 Coracle  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 1:20:58pm

re: #213 Kenneth

It’s a trick question, of course. It depends on how many you order. The price drops per plane the more you order. But no 2 ways about it, the F-22 is a very expensive bird.

Ah! I ddin’t know you were talking bulk F-22s. For you I make special price. 1.95 for $220 million, but I warn you, you’re taking food from the mouths of my children!

225 Ojoe  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 1:21:06pm

re: #143 Shiplord Kirel

“American has no native criminal class, except for Congress.”

—Mark Twain

226 tradewind  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 1:21:31pm

re: #175 MandyManners
Yeah, there’s always time for babysitting.
///

227 JCM  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 1:21:32pm

re: #218 buzzsawmonkey

We used one of those years and years ago, but I can’t remember when. Might have been to cross the Channel, might have been on a domestic cross-country flight.

Loftleiðir now Icelandair, had the cheapest fairs in the late 60’s early 70’s spent a looong London, Reykjavik, New York flight on a DC-6.

228 Ojoe  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 1:22:56pm

re: #227 JCM

Yes, with radial piston engines stressed to within an inch of their life.

229 Flyovercountry  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 1:23:00pm

While it is easy to point at the Democrats and proclaim this to be their fault, I don’t believe for one second that our Republican congress folk would have not placed this order. There are a whole bunch of drunken sailors on both sides of the aisle. One thing people are really good at is rationalizing their rotten decisions. I deserve or need this because… The folks who go to Washington and survive the first two years with their personality intact are too few indeed.

230 TedStriker  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 1:23:32pm

re: #221 reloadingisnotahobby

Your right!
Give the Bitch an old B-52…They allways look
better in flight …( and from a distance)!

Why waste a perfectly good BUFF on Pelosi (a modern day Norma Desmond, if I ever saw one)?

/”All right, Mr. DeMille, I’m ready for my close-up”

231 KenJen  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 1:24:53pm

I’m actually suprised Congress didnt use the old global warming excuse. The newer planes will be better for the environment old trick. Guess they knew that wouldn’t fly.

232 Kenneth  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 1:24:57pm

re: #210 eschew_obfuscation

About .0006. at $370,000,000,000 each.

That’s the total cost of the project to date including design & development. That is not the production cost per plane.

233 reloadingisnotahobby  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 1:25:14pm

re: #228 Ojoe

Gotta wonder about an engine that has 30 % of it’s fuel capacity
In OIL!!
Burned like a 30 year old Renault…

234 CyanSnowHawk  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 1:25:18pm

re: #190 Kenneth

$220 million? How many F-22’s would that buy?

1.5 IIRC. Production cost is about $150m.

235 Shiplord Kirel  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 1:25:24pm

re: #227 JCM

Loftleiðir now Icelandair, had the cheapest fairs in the late 60’s early 70’s spent a looong London, Reykjavik, New York flight on a DC-6.

re: #228 Ojoe

Yes, with radial piston engines stressed to within an inch of their life.


I had the dubious privilege of flying a DC-6 from Tokyo to San Francisco. It took 29 hours, with two engine changes. One was at Wake Island, a fascinating place that no longer has air service facilities. The other was in Hawaii so it wasn’t a gigantic hardship.

236 eschew_obfuscation  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 1:25:34pm

re: #232 Kenneth

That’s the total cost of the project to date including design & development. That is not the production cost per plane.

Well… of course … caught me not reading enough ;-)

237 JCM  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 1:25:41pm

re: #221 reloadingisnotahobby

Your right!
Give the Bitch an old B-52…They allways look
better in flight …( and from a distance)!

Don’t call it Big Ugly Fat F… fur nuthin’

238 Ojoe  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 1:26:36pm
239 KingKenrod  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 1:27:21pm

re: #176 avanti

Rep. Senator comments on Palin’s death panel.

Palin.

I don’t think Palin was making the point Isakson thinks she was making.

In the coming months you will hear a lot of criticism of Palin from the more moderate GOP (Isakson endorsed McCain early in the 2008 race).

240 reloadingisnotahobby  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 1:29:24pm

re: #238 Ojoe

I have an original engine shop Manual for the Lycoming 700 and 900 radial…circa 1942…
My dad has the good stuff…RollsRoyce ,Merlin,etc…
Cool stuff!

241 kansas  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 1:30:29pm

re: #162 Shug

forget private jets.
forget military transport aircraft
forget first class on Delta or United.
forget Amtrak

let those bastards Go Greyhound

Just a little correction.

242 JCM  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 1:30:40pm
243 eschew_obfuscation  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 1:30:41pm

re: #232 Kenneth

That’s the total cost of the project to date including design & development. That is not the production cost per plane.

O.K. … Let me try again … about 0.6 at $350 MM each.

244 Ojoe  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 1:31:36pm

re: #240 reloadingisnotahobby

Engines in general are brilliant things, embodying the understanding of nature; order, purpose & power & I am glad the Creator structured the universe in such a way as to allow engines.

Well, BBL

245 Ojoe  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 1:32:24pm

re: #242 JCM

Go to the Sounds page on the engine history website!

BBL Really

246 Kenneth  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 1:33:09pm

re: #234 CyanSnowHawk

What Does an F-22 Cost?

It seems to be a very simple question with a very complicated answer.

247 Kosh's Shadow  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 1:34:13pm

re: #244 Ojoe

Engines in general are brilliant things, embodying the understanding of nature; order, purpose & power & I am glad the Creator structured the universe in such a way as to allow engines.

Well, BBL

So did Kipling’s McAndrews (although in this case, it is a ship’s reciprocating steam engine):

From coupler-flange to spindle-guide I see Thy Hand, O God -
Predestination in the stride o’ yon connectin’-rod.
John Calvin might ha’ forged the same - enorrmous, certain, slow -
Ay, wrought it in the furnace-flame - my “Institutio.”

248 reloadingisnotahobby  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 1:34:40pm

re: #238 Ojoe

re: #244 Ojoe
Got my love for Airplanes from Lou Stolp…
Designer of the Stolp Starduster Acro…
Worked for and with him in Calif…Awesome man!

249 Conservative in Liberal Hands  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 1:35:35pm

Dear CongressCritter:

In the past, you’ve spoken about “feeling my pain” and “supporting the common worker”. I believe it is time that you, too, experienced unemployment. This is your Government Mandated Notice of Layoffs. You will no longer be entitled to a free ride on the backs of your constituents. You will no longer be entitled to hob-knob with Trial Lawyers, Union Bosses and other criminal types. And you should be very concerned about your pension. You’ve spent so much money that we cannot afford to pay you.

Sincerely,
Joe Voter.

250 Wendya  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 1:37:04pm

re: #13 wiffersnapper

Private jets. Because Congress is doing such a wonderful job!

You can’t possibly expect Nancy to fly commercial with the hoi polloi. /

251 Shiplord Kirel  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 1:38:59pm

re: #243 eschew_obfuscation

O.K. … Let me try again … about 0.6 at $350 MM each.

That figure is misleading in this context because it would not cost that much to add additional aircraft to the contract. Similarly, that amount would not be saved by deleting aircraft from the contract. This is not a volume discount or any other such nonsense, it reflects the actual production cost, which is the relevant cost datum when changes in the production numbers are considered.

252 Cato the Elder  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 1:39:01pm

re: #30 ArmyWife

I don’t care if it’s Dems or Republicans - arrogance is not discriminatory.

Actually, “discriminatory” would be one of the major corollaries of arrogance.

And I care insofar as the “party of fiscal responsibility” ought to be just that.

253 mattm  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 1:57:29pm

If I were a CEO with a spine in a company the gov’t doesn’t yet control, I would publicly announce that I would be using a private jet (owned or leased) for all corp. travel for any reason. IF you can have em, so can I.

254 Maui Girl  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 2:20:49pm

This country so badly needs to clean house. We need term limits. No more career politicians.

255 Spare O'Lake  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 2:42:53pm
OT:
Swastika Painted At Congressman’s Office:
Someone spray-painted a large swastika on a sign outside the office of a US congressman who was involved in a contentious argument over health care at a recent community meeting.

Democratic Rep. David Scott, who is black, said the swastika is the latest example of what he believes is an increasingly hateful and racist debate over reforming health care. The Atlanta lawmaker said he also has received mail in recent days that used racial slur references to him, and that characterized President Barack Obama as a Marxist.

Wonderful. Just fucking wonderful.


[Link: www.jpost.com…]

256 claire  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 3:59:23pm

Jets, huh?

I know a 2-star General that dispatched a Gulfstream to pick up his 20 year-old daughter from the east coast to NM when she was “upset” about something and couldn’t get home commercial. I’m not even sure he was a General yet at that time. Anyway, it was his perogative to do so, as a big-wig in the Air Force and a former hot shit Thunderbird.

Yes, he served his country faithfully and all that, but I’m not altogether sure I’m OK with the idea. OUR TAX DOLLARS AT WORK.

257 Solomon2  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 6:32:41pm

For decades congressmen have flown on commercial jets, their only perk being special parking areas at DC-area airports. Now they want to separate themselves from the hoi polloi entirely. Are they representing their constituency, or just themselves?

258 LieSeeker  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 9:58:50pm

First, Congress added money for a few jets. There were critics.
Then, money was added for many more jets. I was suspicious that it was a “fake cutback” trick.
Sure enough, they cut back from the huge amount and pretend that this smaller amount is reasonable, proper, and is not larger than what the Air Force had asked for. Liars.

259 Dad O' Blondes  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 5:32:43am

re: #36 Honorary Yooper

Congress, buying the private jets they told the CEOs not to.

Exactly!

They ROASTED the Big 3 auto chiefs — in public — for flying corp jets to the hearings where Congress abused and belittled them.

GM’s Waggoner should have driven a 2009 red Corvette to the hearings, screaming down highways at 85 mph, and pulled up in front of the Capital Building with a screech.

“I’m here to get fired, Mr. President”

.


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