Paulian, of course.

Not bright enough for a Brownshirt.

Who did you vote for? Could only be one person. :((

"God's going to judge you!"

That's out of line, imo. Using God to bully people is an ugly tactic.

Did Matthews feel a tingle watching Obama's performance?

///

Dear Mr President:
You accuse your opponents of fearmongering and spreading falsehoods about Obamacare, but why are we constantly bombarded with the number "47,000,000 Americans without health insurance" when we know only about a third of that number are actually unable to afford insurance? Why don't we fix the problem for the 17-20 millions Americans in need as opposed to remaking a system that serves over 300,000,000 satisfied Americans?

The chump with the gun will really help the cause.

/dumbass...

re: #6 _RememberTonyC

Dear Mr President:
You accuse your opponents of fearmongering and spreading falsehoods about Obamacare, but why are we constantly bombarded with the number "47,000,000 Americans without health insurance" when we know only about a third of that number are actually unable to afford insurance? Why don't we fix the problem for the 17-20 millions Americans in need as opposed to remaking a system that serves over 300,000,000 satisfied Americans?

100 updings!

Something tells me it's all happening at the zoo.

"God's gonna get you for that!"

This was one pissed off attendee and I don't think he belonged to any mob.
All and all there were a lot of good hard questions for Arlen Sphincter which kept him on his heels most of the hour.

IMHO...Me thinks Arlen will have a tough election next year.

alright...next question. Who had number 18?

BAIT AND SWITCH!
BAIT AND SWITCH!

I was expecting a cute zoo baby!

;-P

Hey, there's an ad for NorCalSocialism up at the top of the page.

Brother, did they ever come knocking on the wrong door...

re: #3 Erik The Red

Who did you vote for? Could only be one person. :((

LUAP NOR!

Here's how a real mob operates:
SEIU marching orders

LGF's fake Town Hall was better. I'd like to see how Spector would address our concerns.

re: #9 itellu3times

Something tells me it's all happening at the zoo.

I do believe it. I do believe it's true.

re: #6 _RememberTonyC

Dear Mr President:
You accuse your opponents of fearmongering and spreading falsehoods about Obamacare, but why are we constantly bombarded with the number "47,000,000 Americans without health insurance" when we know only about a third of that number are actually unable to afford insurance? Why don't we fix the problem for the 17-20 millions Americans in need as opposed to remaking a system that serves over 300,000,000 satisfied Americans?

Stop making rational arguments. The talking point is "Obama is going to to kill your mama personally."

///

re: #9 itellu3times

Something tells me it's all happening at the zoo.

I do beleive it.

re: #16 snowcrash

LGF's fake Town Hall was better. I'd like to see how Spector would address our concerns.

You would have to give him enough time to switch back to the GOP.

re: #13 SanFranciscoZionist

Hey, there's an ad for NorCalSocialism up at the top of the page.

Brother, did they ever come knocking on the wrong door...

But we love socialists!

They're great on the grill.

re: #12 jcm

BAIT AND SWITCH!
BAIT AND SWITCH!

I was expecting a cute zoo baby!

;-P

Me too. Gawd, have you seen the meercats? So damn cute.

The Paulian brought a gun to a town hall?

Irresponsible gun owners give the rest of us a bad name.

Why is Matthews talking to this guy? and who brought that "Tree of liberty" sign? Unfortunately he can quote Heinlein.

re: #17 BignJames

I do believe it. I do believe it's true.

GSGFTA

(Great Simon & Garfunkle Fans Think Alike)

I've never seen so many townhalls. And the congressmen know that it's coming. It sure looks like these guys are looking for cover/reasons to vote against the bill. If you have the Presidency, House, Senate, and proclaim a mandate are these townhalls necessary.

re: #9 itellu3times

Something tells me it's all happening at the zoo.

Well, we'll probably be better off with veterinarians if Obamacare passes.

re: #18 SanFranciscoZionist

Stop making rational arguments. The talking point is "Obama is going to to kill your mama personally."

///

My mama would whack him in the shoulder with her purse "Aunt Esther Style."

I appreciate the man in red thanking Senator Specter for his time before politely stating his problem with the bill. He was polite and I agreed with much of he said. He's a role model.

re: #15 tedzilla99

Here's how a real mob operates:
SEIU marching orders

HCAN (Health Care for American Now)

Who are they?
ACORN
SEIU
and fellow travelers.

re: #4 Sharmuta

He's a frustrated citizen blowing off steam. I think it's forgivable.

re: #23 Noam Sayin'

The Paulian brought a gun to a town hall?

Irresponsible gun owners give the rest of us a bad name.

He might have been eaten by a bear if he left it at home.
/

re: #32 SanFranciscoZionist

Good point.

re: #24 BatGuano

Why is Matthews talking to this guy? and who brought that "Tree of liberty" sign? Unfortunately he can quote Heinlein.

Heinlein? Sorry, can't play the vids from here.

Ron Paul!

re: #28 _RememberTonyC

My mama would whack him in the shoulder with her purse "Aunt Esther Style."

Yeah, I wouldn't bet on him in a fight with some of these ladies.

re: #34 SanFranciscoZionist

Kostric said, "An armed society is a polite society"- Henlein

It takes a special kind of stupid to show up at a meeting with the President of the US carrying a loaded handgun, then try to pretend there's nothing odd about it.

re: #4 Sharmuta

"God's going to judge you!"

That's out of line, imo. Using God to bully people is an ugly tactic.

People throw the accusation of "Taking the Lord's name in vain" about far to much, and far too liberally.

What you quote there, in my mind, is exactly what is meant by taking the Lord's name in vain, and not someone yelling "gawt-damnit" when they stub their toe.

Cudos to Arlen Specter for how he handled the scene. And after the one ranting guy early on, I thought the people in the crowd displayed good behavior and the questions were respectful.

People are angry. Huge surprise.

yeah, What Would Ron Paul Do

re: #24 BatGuano

Why is Matthews talking to this guy? and who brought that "Tree of liberty" sign? Unfortunately he can quote Heinlein.

I'd be more impressed if he could quote Heinsohn.

re: #37 BatGuano

Kostric said, "An armed society is a polite society"- Henlein

Ah. That quote.

re: #38 Charles

It takes a special kind of stupid to show up at a meeting with the President of the US carrying a loaded handgun, then try to pretend there's nothing odd about it.

Quite Concur.

re: #36 SanFranciscoZionist

Yeah, I wouldn't bet on him in a fight with some of these ladies.

older ladies can sniff out bullshit a mile away ... they have heard it all!

re: #38 Charles

It takes a special kind of stupid to show up at a meeting with the President of the US with a loaded handgun, then try to pretend there's nothing odd about it.

As they say...ugly's skin deep, stupid's to the bone.

re: #38 Charles

It takes a special kind of stupid to show up at a meeting with the President of the US with a loaded handgun, then try to pretend there's nothing odd about it.

I think he was looking for a confrontation to "prove" Obama will take away our guns.

re: #16 snowcrash

LGF's fake Town Hall was better. I'd like to see how Spector would address our concerns.

Interesting point (which may have been made during the LGF town hall). I wonder if anyone would come if Charles invited them.

John Kerry is probably not a promising candidate...just a guess...

re: #38 Charles

It takes a special kind of stupid to show up at a meeting with the President of the US with a loaded handgun, then try to pretend there's nothing odd about it.

I carry often.

I would not carry to a town with POTUS.

No brainer.

For some reason , Kostric reminds me of Cosmo Kramer.

re: #31 BatGuano

He's a frustrated citizen blowing off steam. I think it's forgivable.

It's emotional and irrational. The gentleman in red did a much better job convincing me of his position than the first guy or the lady going off like a paulbot.

re: #49 jcm

I carry often.

I would not carry to a town with POTUS.

No brainer.

PIMF town hall...

re: #48 jvic

Interesting point (which may have been made during the LGF town hall). I wonder if anyone would come if Charles invited them.

John Kerry is probably not a promising candidate...just a guess...

Spector was horrible at the town hall, I was not impressed with him at all. I don't agree with the way he was treated, but he just was not well spoken on the issues.

re: #48 jvic
All the heat and emotion is gone, just questions and answers. It would be really interesting.

guns?...no big deal, sorry

re: #47 avanti

I think he was looking for a confrontation to "prove" Obama will take away our guns.

All he proven is that he's a idiot. Now he's the story, instead of Obama's plan. Hope you enjoy your 15 minutes, jackass.

re: #50 BatGuano

For some reason , Kostric reminds me of Cosmo Kramer.

Who is Kostric?

I thought this thread was gonna' be about those cute baby animals that Charles sometimes posts about.

re: #49 jcm

I carry often.

I would not carry to a town with POTUS.

No brainer.

I'd hope all responsible gun owners would condemn this kind of idiocy.

Good for Chris to push the birther issue.

re: #58 MandyManners

I thought this thread was gonna' be about those cute baby animals that Charles sometimes posts about.

re: #12 jcm

BAIT AND SWITCH!
BAIT AND SWITCH!

I was expecting a cute zoo baby!

;-P

GMTA!

These people are angry and have legitimate concerns. If the GOP or any other right wing group was organizing these protesters, they would pick people that were slicker, more able to express themselves. These guys are obviously showing up independently and are angry and frightened about the vague yet life-changing plans that Obama has for our country. They are so worked up that they are doing things that are counter-productive to their goals. That's the way honest people behave when they confront an overwhelming authority that they feel threatened by.

re: #59 Charles

I'd hope all responsible gun owners would condemn this kind of idiocy.

Someone pointed out, he probably tied up some law enforcement that had to watch him full time.

re: #59 Charles

I'd hope all responsible gun owners would condemn this kind of idiocy.

Hope hasn't been exactly doing that good for the last few months

re: #62 NukeAtomrod

These people are angry and have legitimate concerns. If the GOP or any other right wing group was organizing these protesters, they would pick people that were slicker, more able to express themselves. These guys are obviously showing up independently and are angry and frightened about the vague yet life-changing plans that Obama has for our country. They are so worked up that they are doing things that are counter-productive to their goals. That's the way honest people behave when they confront an overwhelming authority that they feel threatened by.

re: #38 Charles

It takes a special kind of stupid to show up at a meeting with the President of the US carrying a loaded handgun, then try to pretend there's nothing odd about it.

Yeah. That's just stupid.

BTW, and OT, for those of you who've been wondering what Code Pink is up to, one of the things they're up to is hassling Ahava, an Israeli company that makes skin- and hair-care products using minerals from the Dead Sea.

Check out their campaign. For those of you who have some spare change, and were thinking you might order some fancy sunblock some time soon, they have very nice products. Might I discreetly suggest a purchase of a nice Ahava product, followed by notes to the company and Code Pink, letting them know why you're patronizing them?

They have a new line of botanical body washes in trendy scents!

re: #51 Sharmuta

In debate, emotion is irrational. I was giving him a pass because he's not a professional ass hat like snarlin' Arlen.

re: #60 Sharmuta

Good for Chris to push the birther issue.

Matthews isn't stupid, even though he has sometimes acted that way. He knows that Paulians love letting loose with the Crazy, so he lets them do so. Give a Paulian enough rope and he'll hang himself.

BBL

re: #59 Charles

I'd hope all responsible gun owners would condemn this kind of idiocy.

Absolutely. Why put the Secret Service through extra measures even if you mean the Pres no harm?

re: #59 Charles

I'd hope all responsible gun owners would condemn this kind of idiocy.

I would probably leave mine behind but as for others that's their choice...there are armed people everywhere

re: #47 avanti

I think he was looking for a confrontation to "prove" Obama will take away our guns.

I don't know about Obama, but the Secret Service certainly will if you get too close to their protectee.

re: #67 SanFranciscoZionist

BTW, and OT, for those of you who've been wondering what Code Pink is up to, one of the things they're up to is hassling Ahava, an Israeli company that makes skin- and hair-care products using minerals from the Dead Sea.

Check out their campaign. For those of you who have some spare change, and were thinking you might order some fancy sunblock some time soon, they have very nice products. Might I discreetly suggest a purchase of a nice Ahava product, followed by notes to the company and Code Pink, letting them know why you're patronizing them?

They have a new line of botanical body washes in trendy scents!

Buy Ahava at the Zionist Mall!

re: #67 SanFranciscoZionist

BTW, and OT, for those of you who've been wondering what Code Pink is up to, one of the things they're up to is hassling Ahava, an Israeli company that makes skin- and hair-care products using minerals from the Dead Sea.

Check out their campaign. For those of you who have some spare change, and were thinking you might order some fancy sunblock some time soon, they have very nice products. Might I discreetly suggest a purchase of a nice Ahava product, followed by notes to the company and Code Pink, letting them know why you're patronizing them?

They have a new line of botanical body washes in trendy scents!

Code Pink = Shills for Islamist Terror

/spits

re: #55 albusteve

guns?...no big deal, sorry

Yeah, but loaded gun+that protest sign+nearby POTUS=big deal.

Odd #65 was not me.

I hope this gun toting moron is now on a list of potential right-wing extremists. What a nut job! People who continue to deny right-wing extremism are delusional.

re: #76 Slumbering Behemoth

Yeah, but loaded gun+that protest sign+nearby POTUS=big deal.

all the have to do is restrict firearms at these events...if it's that important

re: #79 albusteve

Can't agree with you on this one, steve. One simply doesn't bring their carry weapon to the same place the President will be.

re: #38 Charles

It takes a special kind of stupid to show up at a meeting with the President of the US with a loaded handgun, then try to pretend there's nothing odd about it.

A man carried a handgun strapped to his leg to a town hall meeting being held by President Obama in Portsmouth, New Hampshire on Tuesday.

It's legal for him to have the gun as long as it is unconcealed, the police told MSNBC. The man was on private property -- church ground on the roadway leading to the high school where Obama would speak. The church gave the man permission to be there. However, according to police officers, he is under constant surveillance and is not anywhere near where the president will speak.

Charles, it sounds like he was further away from the President then most child molesters are legally permitted from school yards.

I don't agree with the guy...clearly his agenda was not health care.

re: #72 albusteve

I would probably leave mine behind but as for others that's their choice...there are armed people everywhere

To be fair, steve; The President is a special case. It is entirely appropriate for the Secret Service to allow no ne not under their control to bear arms near POTUS. The risk is just too great, even if its very small. And as Charles has pointed out, Obama has been threatened more than most.

I'm a gun owner, by the way. The retired sergeant who taught my ROTC gun safety class in high school would have beaten that Ron Paul-voting "sovereign citizen" loser into a pulp, the first time he showed a sign of acting like that.

re: #47 avanti

I think he was looking for a confrontation to "prove" Obama will take away our guns.

This guy is a complete whack job who probably can't think beyond his next breath.

why honor a known anti semite. maybe because he doesn't see it as a problem.

This is not going to end well. I thought the original tea Party protests were bad but this is much much worse.

The Federal Reserve Bank is the problem- of course! [eye-roll]

re: #23 Noam Sayin'

The Paulian brought a gun to a town hall?

Irresponsible gun owners give the rest of us a bad name.

He didn't enter the property with it. He was on private property with the permission of the owners holding a sign and carrying an unconcealed firearm. He didn't break any laws, he just exercised exceptionally shitty judgment both by carrying a firearm to a protest and by the actual quote on the sign.

re: #83 Charles

I'm a gun owner, by the way. The retired sergeant who taught my ROTC gun safety class in high school would have beaten that "sovereign citizen" loser into a pulp, the first time he showed a sign of acting like that.

I'm reading two of the top articles that came up at google and I seem to be missing two points I would like to know about.

The date of the town hall meeting that he was protesting at and was he arrested?

re: #73 SanFranciscoZionist

I don't know about Obama, but the Secret Service certainly will if you get too close to their protectee.

They are very good at spotting too.

I spent a morning at the range then went to a boat show, RWR was POTUS and Michael Reagan was presenting about his boat racing. I didn't know Michael Reagan was there. I stepped into the presentation hall to see what was up, and a USSS agent politely asked me to leave it behind if I was going to watch Reagan.

I was wearing loose clothing with nothing visible, and was still tagged by USSS, I've never been tagged by anyone else that I was carrying in 30 years of doing so.

re: #79 albusteve

all the have to do is restrict firearms at these events...if it's that important

I'm sure they do. He wasn't at the event, but on church property facing the road to the event.

Oswald wasn't in the Kennedy motorcade, but he was in a book repository near it's route.

Obviously the guy in the above video didn't cause any harm, but he sure wasn't using his damn brain. It's likely that he was a highly trained hair trigger away from losing his life that day.

re: #80 Noam Sayin'

Can't agree with you on this one, steve. One simply doesn't bring their carry weapon to the same place the President will be.

I would not...but he's allowed to by law and that's the bottom line...out of propriety for security reasons he should have left it home, but the fact that he didn't is his business...I'm only looking at what the law says

if some nut (G-d forbid) were to take a shot at the POTUS, the violent backlash that would break out in this country would make Watts, Detroit, and the Rodney King riots look like recess at an elementary school. This hysteria needs to be stopped in its tracks before it gets out of control.

"Clearly I'm not advocating violence" *wink wink*

I've stepped in the shit again...

re: #78 Sharmuta

I hope this gun toting moron is now on a list of potential right-wing extremists. What a nut job! People who continue to deny right-wing extremism are delusional.

Sharmuta, he's an idiot but he was exercising constitutional rights on both counts.

re: #86 Killgore Trout

This is not going to end well. I thought the original tea Party protests were bad but this is much much worse.

I agree. When people are ignored, marginalized and called liars, BAD things happen.

re: #89 Walter L. Newton

I'm reading two of the top articles that came up at google and I seem to be missing two points I would like to know about.

The date of the town hall meeting that he was protesting at and was he arrested?

Never mind, I got it, had to dig a little more.

This idiot couldn't have done more to hurt our side if he were specifically hired by Obama for that purpose. One way to lose this debate is to be what they are accusing us of being. Really dummy, what was the gun going to accomplish anyhow? Peacefully asking qeustions for which there are no good answers is worth gold in this debate. Taking a gun to a town hall meeting is beyond worthless. It lends credibility to statements that an unruly mob is infiltrating these meetings. One idiot can destroy the effect of a large group of actually outraged Americans.

re: #94 Sharmuta

"Clearly I'm not advocating violence" *wink wink*

armed citizens have little record of violence as opposed to criminals

re: #96 Wendya

Sharmuta, he's an idiot but he was exercising constitutional rights on both counts.

Can't seem to reconcile the idea of freedom with outlawing idiocy, durn it.

re: #89 Walter L. Newton

I'm reading two of the top articles that came up at google and I seem to be missing two points I would like to know about.

The date of the town hall meeting that he was protesting at and was he arrested?

He was protesting from the sidelines of one of Obama's town halls. He was not arrested because being stupid isn't against the law.

re: #95 albusteve

I've stepped in the shit again...

Meh. Scrape it off, rinse the shoe (I hope you were wearing shoes), and you'll be fine.

You were speaking literally, right?
/

re: #99 Flyovercountry

This idiot couldn't have done more to hurt our side if he were specifically hired by Obama for that purpose. One way to lose this debate is to be what they are accusing us of being. Really dummy, what was the gun going to accomplish anyhow? Peacefully asking qeustions for which there are no good answers is worth gold in this debate. Taking a gun to a town hall meeting is beyond worthless. It lends credibility to statements that an unruly mob is infiltrating these meetings. One idiot can destroy the effect of a large group of actually outraged Americans.

Can I start yelling

false flag

, now?

re: #102 Wendya

He was protesting from the sidelines of one of Obama's town halls. He was not arrested because being stupid isn't against the law.

Yeah, but at some point it turns out to be against the law of the survival of the not stupidest.

re: #103 Slumbering Behemoth

Meh. Scrape it off, rinse the shoe (I hope you were wearing shoes), and you'll be fine.

You were speaking literally, right?
/

like KT says I stink

re: #93 _RememberTonyC

if some nut (G-d forbid) were to take a shot at the POTUS, the violent backlash that would break out in this country would make Watts, Detroit, and the Rodney King riots look like recess at an elementary school. This hysteria needs to be stopped in its tracks before it gets out of control.

that is quite true, in fact i heard a few rumors on that subject this morning on the bus. some one wanted to start a race war in America (Nazi' or islamist or some other nut case) that is what they would do.

I personally hope the zero serves his full 4 years and has a long uneventful life after that.

re: #99 Flyovercountry

This idiot couldn't have done more to hurt our side if he were specifically hired by Obama for that purpose. One way to lose this debate is to be what they are accusing us of being. Really dummy, what was the gun going to accomplish anyhow? Peacefully asking qeustions for which there are no good answers is worth gold in this debate. Taking a gun to a town hall meeting is beyond worthless. It lends credibility to statements that an unruly mob is infiltrating these meetings. One idiot can destroy the effect of a large group of actually outraged Americans.

Which is why Chris Matthews put him on his show. If this idiot's antics gain traction, maybe people will be deterred from going to these town hall meetings.

re: #6 _RememberTonyC

Dear Mr President:
You accuse your opponents of fearmongering and spreading falsehoods about Obamacare, but why are we constantly bombarded with the number "47,000,000 Americans without health insurance" when we know only about a third of that number are actually unable to afford insurance? Why don't we fix the problem for the 17-20 millions Americans in need as opposed to remaking a system that serves over 300,000,000 satisfied Americans?

Gosh-ding!

re: #102 Wendya

He was protesting from the sidelines of one of Obama's town halls. He was not arrested because being stupid isn't against the law.

Thanks, I finally found the references in an article.

Which brings me to WHY I had trouble finding out some stuff at first. This guy did nothing wrong. I was skimming the articles and wondering, he's on MSNBC, wasn't he arrested, how come there is nothing about an arrest and so on.

Oh, he did nothing wrong.

Probably stupid, but nothing wrong.

re: #104 BignJames

Quote function be messin' wid my posts.

re: #102 Wendya

He was protesting from the sidelines of one of Obama's town halls. He was not arrested because being stupid isn't against the law.

We'll see if he gets charged.

The sign and the fact he was carrying can be construed as a threat to POTUS.
Scooping him up and letting him cool off for 48 hours isn't the end of the world.

USSS has no room for error in protecting the POTUS.

I'm as pro 2nd as they come.

re: #96 Wendya

Sharmuta, he's an idiot but he was exercising constitutional rights on both counts.

Did I say something contrary to that? Would law enforcement be out of line to monitor this man after his comments and actions?

have u seen Daily Presidential Tracking Poll
[Link: www.rasmussenreports.com...]
i dont know how true this is, just wondering

Unrepentant idiocy on parade.

#99 Flyovercountry

This idiot couldn't have done more to hurt our side if he were specifically hired by Obama for that purpose.

Hmmm, he definitely looked and sounded stupid enough to be a leftist. Maybe we should read Alinsky's rules to see whether this is a tactic or not, as I wouldn't put this past them - a little digging would shed the light on this.

Either way, left-nut or right-wingnut, he should be in jail for taking a gun to the location where our president would be. I'd see that as a definite threat.

re: #114 Gella

It expresses my feelings, it should be even lower.

re: #113 Sharmuta

Did I say something contrary to that? Would law enforcement be out of line to monitor this man after his comments and actions?

yes

re: #104 BignJames

, now?

False flag? Not likely. Paulians seem to have their own special brand of stupid, which is plenty to explain this guy.

To use another Heinlein quote, "You have attributed conditions to villainy that simply result from stupidity."

re: #104 BignJames

, now?

Good evening all,

Clearly, this ONE LONE PERSON has become the focus of this thread (and the focii of many posters) which takes the focus off the real problem; Obama care is going to foc us all.

re: #113 Sharmuta

Did I say something contrary to that? Would law enforcement be out of line to monitor this man after his comments and actions?

If you mean down the road, in the future, yes.

re: #102 Wendya

He was protesting from the sidelines of one of Obama's town halls. He was not arrested because being stupid isn't against the law.

It should be. And it should hurt.
/
NSFW

Making sure your earrings are out and you're wearing your steel-toed boots in case some arsehole starts trouble is prudent (hey, I don't think those SEIU choads would refrain from hitting a girl). Bringing a gun is so dumb I can't pick my jaw up off the floor to form words about it.

I'm surprised this guy didn't claim we started down the wrong road in 1789 by paying for a Navy.

re: #113 Sharmuta

Did I say something contrary to that? Would law enforcement be out of line to monitor this man after his comments and actions?

They will.

They make visits to individuals who have made threats in the past when POTUS visits the local they live in.

re: #106 albusteve

like KT says I stink

Nah, dude. You're alright as far as I'm concerned. I might not agree with you all the time, but you're cool.

re: #124 jaunte

I'm surprised this guy didn't claim we started down the wrong road in 1789 by paying for a Navy.

I blame the Dread Pirate Bush!

re: #124 jaunte

I'm surprised this guy didn't claim we started down the wrong road in 1789 by paying for a Navy.

Yep. It's all been dowhill since 1789.

re: #127 jcm

It's the Privateer sector!

re: #114 Gella

have u seen Daily Presidential Tracking Poll
[Link: www.rasmussenreports.com...]
i dont know how true this is, just wondering

linear extrapolation puts him at 40% by May '10.
/Jus' sayin'

re my #116

I'm a HUGE 2nd Amendment fan, but for anyone to take a gun to the president's location has to be dumber than dirt.

re: #122 Slumbering Behemoth

can i have my 30 secs back?

re: #114 Gella

have u seen Daily Presidential Tracking Poll
[Link: www.rasmussenreports.com...]
i dont know how true this is, just wondering

Probably accurate. Rasmussen only polls likely voters, which makes his polls the most reliable.

re: #130 NelsFree

linear extrapolation puts him at 40% by May '10.
/Jus' sayin'

ya don't forget +/-3% for statistical inaccuracy

re: #100 albusteve

armed citizens have little record of violence as opposed to criminals

What distinguishes an armed citizen from a criminal, besides violence?
And citizenship, possibly.
/

These guys scare the shit out of me.

Rifles now, or pitchforks later. It's decision time. They need to be afraid of us. I'm not saying we need to be violent, but they need to be afraid of our potential for violence.

re: #129 jaunte

It's the Privateer sector!

ARrrrgh! We be startin' a Piyratt pun thread, me hearties!
/Rrrr

re: #110 Walter L. Newton

Thanks, I finally found the references in an article.

Which brings me to WHY I had trouble finding out some stuff at first. This guy did nothing wrong. I was skimming the articles and wondering, he's on MSNBC, wasn't he arrested, how come there is nothing about an arrest and so on.

Oh, he did nothing wrong.

Probably stupid, but nothing wrong.

Absolutely mind numbingly stupid, at least from my perspective, but not even remotely illegal. Yet, there is a flurry of panic about him bringing a gun to a town hall meeting. He didn't ever attempt to enter the property. He wasn't at the town hall meeting, he was on private property.

At least he didn't show up in a wheelchair, like that clansman.

re: #122 Slumbering Behemoth

Yochanan, I don't actually believe the cops should beat someone up because they say something stupid. I just took Wendya's post as an opportunity to link something funny, that's all.

I think 0bama is an A-class choad, but he is still the President, and threatening his life should gain one a serious talking-to, if not an ass-kicking from, the Secret Service.

re: #123 RememberSekhmet?

Making sure your earrings are out and you're wearing your steel-toed boots in case some arsehole starts trouble is prudent (hey, I don't think those SEIU choads would refrain from hitting a girl). Bringing a gun is so dumb I can't pick my jaw up off the floor to form words about it.

I also recommend making sure your keys are not in your pants pockets, and having ID.

Might as well serve up my daily limerick an hour or two earlier.

The cryptofascistic Ann Coulter
Whines of all of the things that revolt her.
Since the list is so long, Ann,
Just give us a song, and
A blonde, stiff salute from the shoulder.

The guy with the gun made mince meat out of Matthews.
Considering his extreme disadvantage in the interview, I thought he was calm, cool and brilliant compared to the ranting, drooling fool Matthews.
Having said that, I disagreed with almost everything the polite armed fellow said.

re: #141 RememberSekhmet?

I think 0bama is an A-class choad, but he is still the President, and threatening his life should gain one a serious talking-to, if not an ass-kicking from, the Secret Service.

You're right, and as soon as somebody does, I'm sure it will happen. However, that is not the case here.

I have confidence that the Secret Service could handle the situation but I do seriously fear for the safety of our president.

re: #134 Gella

ya don't forget +/-3% for statistical inaccuracy

ARRrrrgh! Ye bein' accusin' me o' inaccuracy, Matey! Draw yer weapon!
I'll cut yer decimal off yer bones faster than skin falls off a Leper on a vibratin' bed!!
/Arr, I copied that last bit.

re: #146 Killgore Trout

I have confidence that the Secret Service could handle the situation but I do seriously fear for the safety of our president.

They're very, very good at what they do. We can only hope for the best.

re: #138 Wendya

Absolutely mind numbingly stupid, at least from my perspective, but not even remotely illegal. Yet, there is a flurry of panic about him bringing a gun to a town hall meeting. He didn't ever attempt to enter the property. He wasn't at the town hall meeting, he was on private property.

And that was my point. He had a point to make, and he did a wonderful job of making it and staying in the bounds of the law. Excellent lesson in constitutional rights and who our freedoms work.

Terrible lesson in choices one makes to present an opinion and a point of view.

But over all, what we are all about worked in this situation and that's amazing.

Could you imagine this in any other country?

Personally, I'm proud of us.

Not him.

re: #141 RememberSekhmet?

I think 0bama is an A-class choad, but he is still the President, and threatening his life should gain one a serious talking-to, if not an ass-kicking from, the Secret Service.

who did that?...the man was armed, which is his right...he didn't threaten anybody, and there were probably many other armed citizens around as well

re: #147 NelsFree

ARRrrrgh! Ye bein' accusin' me o' inaccuracy, Matey! Draw yer weapon!
I'll cut yer decimal off yer bones faster than skin falls off a Leper on a vibratin' bed!!
/Arr, I copied that last bit.

copied or pirated??

re: #113 Sharmuta

Did I say something contrary to that? Would law enforcement be out of line to monitor this man after his comments and actions?

No, they wouldn't. Being a dumbass doesn't make him a potential threat to the President but his stupid, ill thought out actions will divert money and manpower to tracking him when he may be nothing more than just a blowhard.

re: #131 ladycatnip

re my #116

I'm a HUGE 2nd Amendment fan, but for anyone to take a gun to the president's location has to be dumber than dirt.

By the way, the 2nd amendment will not save you from the wrath of the Secret Service when venturing into the location or proximity of those they are protecting. This is a special kind of Stupid. There is a complete lack of humor in these matters. This idiot will spend the rest of his life on a special list of morons to be rounded up anytime anyone with protection pops by. He doesn't realize it yet, but he'll get it one day. During a presidential campaign in say, 27 years or so.

I also find it very disheartening to see so many people supporting a white nationalist showing up with a loaded gun to protest our President.

re: #136 jorline

These guys scare the shit out of me.

Oh. My. God. That statement is so stupid its hard to keep your jaw from hitting the floor. What difference is there between that and what Hamas says? Answer: Not much difference at all.

Boy has Ben Stein gone downhill, now appearing in an ad for one of those sleazy credit report sites.

re: #123 RememberSekhmet?

As others have pointed out, the man acted within his legal rights, but he was damn stupid doing it the way he did.

I have the legal, constitutional right to walk into a biker bar and yell "People who wear leather and ride bikes are homos", but you better believe I am no where dumb enough to actually do that.

re: #124 jaunte

We didn't start paying for the Navy until Jefferson ordered the six frigates to fight the Barbary Pirates. Before that, we paid tribute.

have a good night, all. thanks for the updings and rational discussion.

"One day God's going to stand before you."

Um, point of order?

I believe, theologically speaking, it's the other way round.

re: #151 brookly red

copied or pirated??

ARRRrrrgh!!!

re: #155 Dark_Falcon

Oh. My. God. That statement is so stupid its hard to keep your jaw from hitting the floor. What difference is there between that and what Hamas says? Answer: Not much difference at all.

LUAP NOR supporters.

re: #154 Killgore Trout

I also find it very disheartening to see so many people supporting a white nationalist showing up with a loaded gun to protest our President.

I'm support our laws and our law keepers. The police and all the other law enforcement officials, evidently the secret service, and generally all involved, acted with in the law, the constitution, and nothing happened.

And the jerk, well, he was with in his rights too.

I'm supporting our country, good job.

re: #149 Walter L. Newton

And that was my point. He had a point to make, and he did a wonderful job of making it and staying in the bounds of the law. Excellent lesson in constitutional rights and who our freedoms work.

Terrible lesson in choices one makes to present an opinion and a point of view.

But over all, what we are all about worked in this situation and that's amazing.

Could you imagine this in any other country?

Personally, I'm proud of us.

Not him.

No, absolutely not him but your point about our ability to peacefully exercise our rights is well stated.

Some people seem to miss the fact that he was violating no laws. We've become a country that seems to think what we feel should dictate what is legal.

re: #154 Killgore Trout

I also find it very disheartening to see so many people supporting a white nationalist showing up with a loaded gun to protest our President.

I support the rule of law...I leave the assumptions to other mind readers...is the guy smart?, probably not...that does not make him and extremist killer

Ron Paul supporter.

All I need to know.

re: #146 Killgore Trout

I have confidence that the Secret Service could handle the situation but I do seriously fear for the safety of our president.

Agreed, Obama like every POTUS since Kennedy, really needs to watch himself and avoid risky settings.
Allowing armed civilians without security clearance to be within range of a president is just plain nuts.

re: #160 Cato the Elder

"One day God's going to stand before you."

Um, point of order?

I believe, theologically speaking, it's the other way round.

Exactly. This guy is going to have to answer to Jesus for his crazy actions, and won't he be surprised when he learns what Jesus thinks of them.

Well there is a media library of the evolution of a protest movement here. It too got out of control even though a great many on the left still admire it.

Plenty of instances of one side shouting down the other in public forums.

Plenty of instances of groups taking up arms.

Principled grievance evolving into self righteous idiocy and ultimately destruction. Then and now.

"New Hampshire - Live Free Or Die"

B/T/W, I voted for the idiot McCain. Still no regrets.

re: #67 SanFranciscoZionist

BTW, and OT, for those of you who've been wondering what Code Pink is up to, one of the things they're up to is hassling Ahava, an Israeli company that makes skin- and hair-care products using minerals from the Dead Sea.

Check out their campaign. For those of you who have some spare change, and were thinking you might order some fancy sunblock some time soon, they have very nice products. Might I discreetly suggest a purchase of a nice Ahava product, followed by notes to the company and Code Pink, letting them know why you're patronizing them?

They have a new line of botanical body washes in trendy scents!

I just added the sunblock and the trendy botanical body washes.

re: #155 Dark_Falcon

From the Constitution of the United States, Second Amendment:
" A well-regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."

Piss on politics.

Here is the Towercam sunset. Note that it says "View to the northeas."San Gabriel Mountains of Claifornia, Pacific time zone.

Henry Repeating Arms had a commercial on FNC (O'Reilly). Also ran on CNN (Dobbs).

re: #172 Alouette

I just added the sunblock and the trendy botanical body washes.

Thank you greatly!

"I'm prepared to keep single payer on the table as a matter of consideration and flexibility."

Nonononononono. We can't have sanity leaking into this discussion.

re: #177 Cato the Elder

"I'm prepared to keep single payer on the table as a matter of consideration and flexibility."

And as a way to drive private insurance companies out of business.

re: #177 Cato the Elder

Explain. You like single payer because . . .?

re: #150 albusteve

who did that?...the man was armed, which is his right...he didn't threaten anybody, and there were probably many other armed citizens around as well

Hey, to be fair, I think he was arming himself more against the union goons than against the President, but there ain't no Psi Corps working for the Secret Service to let them know the difference, so no guns near the POTUS, period.

I am a gun owner.

I am a strong believer not only in the Second Amendment right of the individual to own firearms, but, under proper circumstances, individuals should be allowed to carry their weapons.

But, this guy is either a complete idiot (in the literal sense) or he is an anti-gun agent provocateur. No one can be that stupid to carry a gun and have a placard about watering the tree of liberty--at an event where the POTUS is going to be speaking. It's akin to yelling "Fire" in a crowded movie house and claiming free speech. This is a man that did more damage today to gun owners than imaginable.

As for Sen. Specter, he had to know what he was getting into. There was a mixed bag in that crowd, to be sure. I think the concerned citizens outnumber the plants and if you look, you can spot both sides. But, this is got to be resonating with Washington--the American people do not want this and they certainly don't want it jammed down their throats.

That guy in the white shirt and tie managing the microphone is obviously a kneecapping SEIU thug.

re: #151 brookly red

copied or pirated??

Oh, I will not be hooked into this.

re: #169 karmic_inquisitor

Well there is a media library of the evolution of a protest movement here. It too got out of control even though a great many on the left still admire it.

Plenty of instances of one side shouting down the other in public forums.

Plenty of instances of groups taking up arms.

Principled grievance evolving into self righteous idiocy and ultimately destruction. Then and now.

You appear to have left out the Communist influence behind much of the leftist rhetoric.

I just can't figure out how it is the taxes taken from what, 200 million people can be a single payer...

re: #183 calcajun

Oh, I will not be hooked into this.

ARgh, come on, let yer kids play in the back yard-arm!
/R

I'd rather have corporate telephone monkeys in charge of my life, any day. They're so chirpy and sexy on the phone.

re: #181 calcajun

I'm pretty sure he is, and remains, a complete idiot. And his politics and intention are probably represented by this Ron Paul forum comment jorline linked earlier up at 136:

Rifles now, or pitchforks later. It's decision time. They need to be afraid of us. I'm not saying we need to be violent, but they need to be afraid of our potential for violence.

re: #184 NelsFree

You appear to have left out the Communist influence behind much of the leftist rhetoric.

Well there is white nationalist rhetoric fueling a certain "bring you gun to the protest" guy these days. And then there is the whole Ron Paul thing with the Jooos.

Nuts seeking other nuts find trees.

re: #183 calcajun

Oh, I will not be hooked into this.

too late

Of course, illegal aliens are the root of any health care problems in this great nation.

re: #187 Cato the Elder

I'd rather have corporate telephone monkeys in charge of my life, any day. They're so chirpy and sexy on the phone.

Being a professional telephone monkey for many years--trust me, you don't want us making those kinds of decisions for you. If you want to meet people who have learned to hate humanity, just listen to some phone monkeys who just got off work.

What was that crazoid doing on television? As Matthews pointed out, his presence with a gun and a sign constituted a threat against the president's life. He should have been clapped in leg irons and thrown in a dungeon ...

re: #185 brookly red

I just can't figure out how it is the taxes taken from what, 200 million people can be a single payer...

The really think that the money you are making is yours? You are lucky that the Gubment allows you to keep as much of it as you do.
/I wish I was being sarcastic.

re: #187 Cato the Elder

Not answering my question about your love for single payer because . . .?

I think the American taxpayers have a potential class action lawsuit against Congress for malpractice.

re: #189 karmic_inquisitor

Well there is white nationalist rhetoric fueling a certain "bring you gun to the protest" guy these days. And then there is the whole Ron Paul thing with the Jooos.

Nuts seeking other nuts find trees.

Please provide example(s) of White Nationalism present at the Town Hall meetings in protest of Health Care Reform. It is my opinion that any "Ron Paul thing with the Jooos" is irrelevant; I question why you brought that up.
/Perhaps you forgot your /sarc tag???

re: #195 quickjustice

Not answering my question about your love for single payer because . . .?

Of the way you posed it.

re: #198 Cato the Elder

Of the way you posed it.

was a werd misspelled?...for shame!

re: #196 Mich-again

I'm hoping the voters throw the rascals out at the next opportunity. But you're flattering them. Only professionals can commit malpractice. Everyone else is merely reckless or negligent.

re: #150 albusteve

who did that?...the man was armed, which is his right...he didn't threaten anybody, and there were probably many other armed citizens around as well

Buddy, there are a number of "don't"s in life. Among them are:

Don't wear a speedo to church
Don't wear white after Labor Bay.
Don't bring bacon-wrapped sausage balls to an Orthodox bar mitzvah
Don't mix plaids and stripes.
Don't eat chicken unless it's cooked to 185 degrees
Don't get involved in a land war in Asia
Don't go up against a Sicilian when death is on the line
and Do Not bring a fire arm--anything that looks like a gun--to an event where the POTUS is speaking (not unless you want to be gang tackled by Secret Services types)

These are things you just don't do.

re: #196 Mich-again

I think the American taxpayers have a potential class action lawsuit against Congress for malpractice.

Congress has a sovereign remedy for that.

I've always noticed how the constitution sucks to progressives. Millions of people in this country elect politicians, judges, law makers, the whole ball of wax, and then these public officials come along and make law, and most of the time the laws are formed with the will of the people behind them.

You see, this guy was 100 percent with in his rights, and it is evident that he very carefully used every right that was afforded to him to make his point.

He wasn't stupid, he knew what he was doing. Do I suggest that this should be the modus operandi for anyone that wants to make points? No I don't. If anything, it's disruptive, dangerous, stretches resources and it is too close for comfort when the president is involved.

But still, he was with in his constitutional right, the laws of New Hampshire, of the town, and of the people who put these laws in place.

But progressives, they know nothing about what is really behind this mans craziness, they just "feel" that this is wrong, so that makes it wrong in their mind. Progressives will attempt to ignore anything, the will of the people, the laws, most anything if their feelings are hurt. It's almost a fear, a fear of the truth, fear that they are not the only ones who count, a fear of narrow vision.

Too bad.

re: #196 Mich-again

I think the American taxpayers have a potential class action lawsuit against Congress for malpractice.

that's pretty revolutionary

re: #200 quickjustice

I'm hoping the voters throw the rascals out at the next opportunity. But you're flattering them. Only professionals can commit malpractice. Everyone else is merely reckless or negligent.

or corupt...

For the most part, the gun guy in the second video made perfect sense. The bit about the Progressives' war on the Constitution is right on the mark. The Federal Reserve was largely responsible for the Great Depression and it has also been instrumental in our present mess. Regardless of what sub-paragraph 3 on page 856 of the Healthcare bill says, further government control means an increase in demand without a corresponding increase in supply. And that can have only one result.

re: #186 NelsFree

ARgh, come on, let yer kids play in the back yard-arm!
/R

No-- I am too busy fashioning another plank for our political platform.

Not defending his "stupid" actions but he really did hold up well against the tingly Mathews.

re: #198 Cato the Elder

Do you actually know anything about health care policy? Or are you merely siding with the Administration because it's the Administration?

re: #203 Walter L. Newton

No responsible gun owner will defend what this person did, I promise you.

re: #193 Red Lion

What was that crazoid doing on television? As Matthews pointed out, his presence with a gun and a sign constituted a threat against the president's life. He should have been clapped in leg irons and thrown in a dungeon ...

Why wasn't he (and everyone else) stopped, searched and disarmed at the door/entrance?

Dear Cato,

You posted some critical comments earlier about Sarah Palin. Tonight I see a derogatory limerick about Ann Coulter. You seem to have a 'thing' about attractive Conservative women. So, what's your 'thing'?

Love and hugs,
NelsFree

I wish Arlen had the stones to tell Mr. Reasonable that illegal aliens are not the problem with health care.

re: #163 Walter L. Newton

I'm support our laws and our law keepers. The police and all the other law enforcement officials, evidently the secret service, and generally all involved, acted with in the law, the constitution, and nothing happened.

And the jerk, well, he was with in his rights too.

I'm supporting our country, good job.

What would you say if a few dozen of these nuts showed up with loaded guns at these events, perhaps arguably technically within the absurd laws of the state, but likely beyond the capacity for police to safely manage? This guy is no doubt going to be a major inspiration for others to bring their guns; let's hope this doesn't end up causing a horrible event.

re: #212 NelsFree

Dear Cato,

You posted some critical comments earlier about Sarah Palin. Tonight I see a derogatory limerick about Ann Coulter. You seem to have a 'thing' about attractive Conservative women. So, what's your 'thing'?

Love and hugs,
NelsFree

You're the next subject. Enjoy.

re: #213 Cato the Elder

I wish Arlen had the stones to tell Mr. Reasonable that illegal aliens are not the problem with health care.

/well they don't help much either...

Does anybody know if AARP is now officially endorsing the bill, as Obama suggested in the town hall today?

re: #212 NelsFree

Maybe he's really Helen Thomas.

re: #201 calcajun

Buddy, there are a number of "don't"s in life. Among them are:

Don't wear a speedo to church
Don't wear white after Labor Bay.
Don't bring bacon-wrapped sausage balls to an Orthodox bar mitzvah
Don't mix plaids and stripes.
Don't eat chicken unless it's cooked to 185 degrees
Don't get involved in a land war in Asia
Don't go up against a Sicilian when death is on the line
and Do Not bring a fire arm--anything that looks like a gun--to an event where the POTUS is speaking (not unless you want to be gang tackled by Secret Services types)

These are things you just don't do.

correction on one, you can actually wear white after Labor day

re: #201 calcajun

Don't fry bacon in the nude.

re: #201 calcajun

Buddy, there are a number of "don't"s in life. Among them are:

Don't wear a speedo to church
Don't wear white after Labor Bay.
Don't bring bacon-wrapped sausage balls to an Orthodox bar mitzvah
Don't mix plaids and stripes.
Don't eat chicken unless it's cooked to 185 degrees
Don't get involved in a land war in Asia
Don't go up against a Sicilian when death is on the line
and Do Not bring a fire arm--anything that looks like a gun--to an event where the POTUS is speaking (not unless you want to be gang tackled by Secret Services types)

These are things you just don't do.

well he did...so is he an extremist killer Paulian bot?...did he shoot up a bunch of people?, did he say he intended to?...people are stupid, they got BO in office...it does not mean they have malice in their heart

re: #208 newsread5

Not defending his "stupid" actions but he really did hold up well against the tingly Mathews.

Yup, he kicked Matthews' ass.
Which just goes to show what a shithead Matthews is.

re: #203 Walter L. Newton

You think that's scary. An author I liked, Joseph Ellis wrote a piece saying to effect that the time is coming to do away with the Jeffersonian ideal of small less-intrusive government because our society is too complex--more than the founding generation could have imagined.

Ellis sells out?

re: #210 Charles

No responsible gun owner will defend what this person did, I promise you.

And did I defend what he did? No, of course not.

re: #188 jaunte

I'm pretty sure he is, and remains, a complete idiot. And his politics and intention are probably represented by this Ron Paul forum comment jorline linked earlier up at 136:

Talk of armed insurrection is asinine. Our system still works. We still have free elections, right on schedule. Our government, however imperfect it might be at times, still places limits on government. There is no action they can take that can't be corrected or modified. Let your politicians know you are not happy, hold them accountable for what they say and then act on it at the ballot box

re: #97 Wendya

I agree. When people are ignored, marginalized and called liars, BAD things happen.

Is that a threat or a promise? I think you are inverting cause and effect. If one of these freaks ends up shooting someone, are you going to blame Obama and tacitly defend the shooter?

re: #210 Charles

Yes he was a moron, signed, Ojoe, who does have one of those politically incorrect items.

There really is going to be a limit to how much support for extremism I allow to be posted at LGF, by the way.

re: #213 Cato the Elder

I wish Arlen had the stones to tell Mr. Reasonable that illegal aliens are not the problem with health care.

The people who used to work at the hospitals in the Southwest that were forced to close because they couldn't afford to provide free care to illegal aliens and their offspring would beg to differ with you.

re: #214 Mr. Sandman

What would you say if a few dozen of these nuts showed up with loaded guns at these events, perhaps arguably technically within the absurd laws of the state, but likely beyond the capacity for police to safely manage? This guy is no doubt going to be a major inspiration for others to bring their guns; let's hope this doesn't end up causing a horrible event.

Well, we will have to see, won't we. Freedom sucks huh?

re: #224 Walter L. Newton

And did I defend what he did? No, of course not.

Yes, you are defending him.

You see, this guy was 100 percent with in his rights, and it is evident that he very carefully used every right that was afforded to him to make his point.

He wasn't stupid, he knew what he was doing. Do I suggest that this should be the modus operandi for anyone that wants to make points? No I don't. If anything, it's disruptive, dangerous, stretches resources and it is too close for comfort when the president is involved.

But still, he was with in his constitutional right, the laws of New Hampshire, of the town, and of the people who put these laws in place.

Don't blow smoke up my ass.

re: #228 Charles

Good.

re: #228 Charles

There really is going to be a limit to how much support for extremism I allow to be posted at LGF, by the way.

Charles, I don't support what he did, I said that above a number of times.

Yep. We're turning into Russia. And jackbooted ACORN commando cadres lead the way!

Some very angry down dingers...

re: #219 Gella

Oh, all right. Winter white--in certain circumstances. But no seersucker.

re: #206 Infidel

And that can have only one result.

Rationing.

re: #231 Charles

Don't blow smoke up my ass.

I'll take you advice and stay out of this conversation. Sorry.

re: #237 Wendya

Rationing.

Gun rationing? How many do I get?

re: #215 Cato the Elder

You're the next subject. Enjoy.

So, you ONCE AGAIN did not answer the question.
/The pattern continues...
//[GAZE on standby]

re: #226 Mr. Sandman

Is that a threat or a promise? I think you are inverting cause and effect. If one of these freaks ends up shooting someone, are you going to blame Obama and tacitly defend the shooter?

Good, grief! Where in the hell did you get that?

I am not advocating violence, I am pointing out a historical fact.

Some of you need to stop reading your secret feelings into what I have or have not said.

You be well within your rights but still be stupid.

re: #203 Walter L. Newton

I've always noticed how the constitution sucks to progressives. Millions of people in this country elect politicians, judges, law makers, the whole ball of wax, and then these public officials come along and make law, and most of the time the laws are formed with the will of the people behind them.

You see, this guy was 100 percent with in his rights, and it is evident that he very carefully used every right that was afforded to him to make his point.

He wasn't stupid, he knew what he was doing. Do I suggest that this should be the modus operandi for anyone that wants to make points? No I don't. If anything, it's disruptive, dangerous, stretches resources and it is too close for comfort when the president is involved.

But still, he was with in his constitutional right, the laws of New Hampshire, of the town, and of the people who put these laws in place.

But progressives, they know nothing about what is really behind this mans craziness, they just "feel" that this is wrong, so that makes it wrong in their mind. Progressives will attempt to ignore anything, the will of the people, the laws, most anything if their feelings are hurt. It's almost a fear, a fear of the truth, fear that they are not the only ones who count, a fear of narrow vision.

Too bad.

I feel the same way about the gun toter near the President, as I would seeing someone burn the flag at a vets funeral. Both are within their constitutional rights, both are making a point, and the point is "I'm a dumb ass" I'm not impressed.

CAN

re: #225 Wendya

Let your politicians know you are not happy, hold them accountable for what they say and then act on it at the ballot box

Yup.

I don't see how people who complained about intimidation when a Black Panther showed up with a billy club for political theater at a polling place can support someone who's carrying a gun for political theater near a Presidential appearance.

re: #197 NelsFree

Please provide example(s) of White Nationalism present at the Town Hall meetings in protest of Health Care Reform. It is my opinion that any "Ron Paul thing with the Jooos" is irrelevant; I question why you brought that up.
/Perhaps you forgot your /sarc tag???

Easy.

The nut who brought the gun has a page on MySpace.

Hero? Randy Weaver.

re: #238 Walter L. Newton

WLN,

If I may, this is a circumstance where someone was "technically" correct in what they were saying, but completely wrong on how they were saying it. No matter how valid this guys point might have been, he undermined his position in the manner in which he made the point.

I think a lot of people are missing the reality of the situation. This guy fits the "right wing extremist" label. The DHS memo was written because people like him. This is the kind of person who's going to attempt to assassinate the President or go on a politically inspired killing spree.
When/if he does, he's going to be linked to the Tea Parties and the Republicans. You can point at ACORN or claim that he's an undercover leftist but people are only going to laugh at you. This is a very serious and potentially deadly problem with very serious political repercussions. The price for failing to alienate these people will be paid. That's a fact.

re: #230 Walter L. Newton

Well, we will have to see, won't we. Freedom sucks huh?

Walter, don't talk that. Charles is seriously against it and you're getting close to inciting a dangerous situation. As someone who likes you and wants you here, i advise you to take a break for an hour and simmer down. This is not a hill you want your account to die on.

re: #242 MandyManners

You be well within your rights but still be stupid.

Go figure-- you said it better than I did.

re: #213 Cato the Elder

I wish Arlen had the stones to tell Mr. Reasonable that illegal aliens are not the problem with health care.

How much do they cost in free/subsidized care and how many medical resources do they consume?
I doubt it's chickenfeed.

Slightly OT. I took my S&W 686 .357 to the range this weekend. My gosh, I haven't shot one indoors before. It is so loud - and the muzzle flash... wow!

Actually, I took all my handguns. I got a pass for two and a rental for buying the S&W. Rented a HK P30 to add to the PPK and the Taurus 9mm. The P30 is a nice, well-balanced weapon.

Well, there's 13:06 I'll never get back.

At least it gave my bottle of vinho verde time to chill in the freezer.

Back in a jiff, gladiator fans.

re: #246 jaunte

I don't see how people who complained about intimidation when a Black Panther showed up with a billy club for political theater at a polling place can support someone who's carrying a gun for political theater near a Presidential appearance.

I would not have done it. I have a little more respect for the job the USSS and local law enforcement are tasked with than I have for my "right" to make a statement. When I and others point out what he did was legal, we are being accused of thinking it's cool to strap on a .45 and greet the President with a sign quoting Jefferson on the Tree of Liberty. I will defend legal rights but I'm not defending stupidity. I know some people aren't able to undestand what that means.

I like this guy's philosophy.

re: #253 Noam Sayin'

Nice. Picking up another Mosin this weekend. need to clean it well before taking it to the range. Thought about getting a scope, but would have to get a new bolt assembly.

re: #237 Wendya

Rationing.

Rationing during World War 2:

[Link: www.ameshistoricalsociety.org...]

Gasoline was rationed:
"The green 'B' sticker was for driving deemed essential to the war effort; industrial war workers, for example, could purchase eight gallons a week. Red 'C' stickers indicated physicians, ministers, mail carriers and railroad workers. 'T' was for truckers, and the rare 'X' sticker went to members of Congress and other VIPs. Truckers supplying the population with supplies had a T sticker for unlimited amounts of fuel."

/The more things change, the more they remain the same.

Little girl at Obama town hall has not-so-random political connections