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1 BatGuano  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 6:33:12pm

Paulian, of course.

2 quickjustice  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 6:34:12pm

Not bright enough for a Brownshirt.

3 Erik The Red  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 6:34:25pm

Who did you vote for? Could only be one person. :((

4 Sharmuta  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 6:35:56pm

"God's going to judge you!"

That's out of line, imo. Using God to bully people is an ugly tactic.

5 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 6:35:57pm

Did Matthews feel a tingle watching Obama's performance?

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6 _RememberTonyC  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 6:36:29pm

Dear Mr President:
You accuse your opponents of fearmongering and spreading falsehoods about Obamacare, but why are we constantly bombarded with the number "47,000,000 Americans without health insurance" when we know only about a third of that number are actually unable to afford insurance? Why don't we fix the problem for the 17-20 millions Americans in need as opposed to remaking a system that serves over 300,000,000 satisfied Americans?

7 JammieWearingFool  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 6:37:13pm

The chump with the gun will really help the cause.

/dumbass...

8 livefreeor die  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 6:37:53pm

re: #6 _RememberTonyC

Dear Mr President:
You accuse your opponents of fearmongering and spreading falsehoods about Obamacare, but why are we constantly bombarded with the number "47,000,000 Americans without health insurance" when we know only about a third of that number are actually unable to afford insurance? Why don't we fix the problem for the 17-20 millions Americans in need as opposed to remaking a system that serves over 300,000,000 satisfied Americans?

100 updings!

9 itellu3times  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 6:38:05pm

Something tells me it's all happening at the zoo.

10 Mich-again  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 6:38:11pm

"God's gonna get you for that!"

11 jorline  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 6:39:22pm

This was one pissed off attendee and I don't think he belonged to any mob.
All and all there were a lot of good hard questions for Arlen Sphincter which kept him on his heels most of the hour.

IMHO...Me thinks Arlen will have a tough election next year.

alright...next question. Who had number 18?

12 jcm  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 6:39:34pm

BAIT AND SWITCH!
BAIT AND SWITCH!

I was expecting a cute zoo baby!

;-P

13 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 6:40:01pm

Hey, there's an ad for NorCalSocialism up at the top of the page.

Brother, did they ever come knocking on the wrong door...

14 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 6:40:04pm

re: #3 Erik The Red

Who did you vote for? Could only be one person. :((

LUAP NOR!

15 tedzilla99  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 6:40:10pm

Here's how a real mob operates:
SEIU marching orders

16 snowcrash  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 6:40:27pm

LGF's fake Town Hall was better. I'd like to see how Spector would address our concerns.

17 BignJames  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 6:40:56pm

re: #9 itellu3times

Something tells me it's all happening at the zoo.

I do believe it. I do believe it's true.

18 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 6:41:00pm

re: #6 _RememberTonyC

Dear Mr President:
You accuse your opponents of fearmongering and spreading falsehoods about Obamacare, but why are we constantly bombarded with the number "47,000,000 Americans without health insurance" when we know only about a third of that number are actually unable to afford insurance? Why don't we fix the problem for the 17-20 millions Americans in need as opposed to remaking a system that serves over 300,000,000 satisfied Americans?

Stop making rational arguments. The talking point is "Obama is going to to kill your mama personally."

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19 karmic_inquisitor  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 6:41:15pm

re: #9 itellu3times

Something tells me it's all happening at the zoo.

I do beleive it.

20 tedzilla99  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 6:41:25pm

re: #16 snowcrash

LGF's fake Town Hall was better. I'd like to see how Spector would address our concerns.

You would have to give him enough time to switch back to the GOP.

21 Kragar  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 6:41:34pm

re: #13 SanFranciscoZionist

Hey, there's an ad for NorCalSocialism up at the top of the page.

Brother, did they ever come knocking on the wrong door...

But we love socialists!

They're great on the grill.

22 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 6:41:36pm

re: #12 jcm

BAIT AND SWITCH!
BAIT AND SWITCH!

I was expecting a cute zoo baby!

;-P

Me too. Gawd, have you seen the meercats? So damn cute.

23 Noam Sayin'  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 6:41:45pm

The Paulian brought a gun to a town hall?

Irresponsible gun owners give the rest of us a bad name.

24 BatGuano  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 6:41:54pm

Why is Matthews talking to this guy? and who brought that "Tree of liberty" sign? Unfortunately he can quote Heinlein.

25 karmic_inquisitor  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 6:42:18pm

re: #17 BignJames

I do believe it. I do believe it's true.

GSGFTA

(Great Simon & Garfunkle Fans Think Alike)

26 macofromoc  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 6:42:45pm

I've never seen so many townhalls. And the congressmen know that it's coming. It sure looks like these guys are looking for cover/reasons to vote against the bill. If you have the Presidency, House, Senate, and proclaim a mandate are these townhalls necessary.

27 livefreeor die  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 6:43:03pm

re: #9 itellu3times

Something tells me it's all happening at the zoo.

Well, we'll probably be better off with veterinarians if Obamacare passes.

28 _RememberTonyC  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 6:43:03pm

re: #18 SanFranciscoZionist

Stop making rational arguments. The talking point is "Obama is going to to kill your mama personally."

///

My mama would whack him in the shoulder with her purse "Aunt Esther Style."

29 Sharmuta  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 6:43:11pm

I appreciate the man in red thanking Senator Specter for his time before politely stating his problem with the bill. He was polite and I agreed with much of he said. He's a role model.

30 jcm  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 6:43:22pm

re: #15 tedzilla99

Here's how a real mob operates:
SEIU marching orders

HCAN (Health Care for American Now)

Who are they?
ACORN
SEIU
and fellow travelers.

31 BatGuano  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 6:43:23pm

re: #4 Sharmuta

He's a frustrated citizen blowing off steam. I think it's forgivable.

32 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 6:43:29pm

re: #23 Noam Sayin'

The Paulian brought a gun to a town hall?

Irresponsible gun owners give the rest of us a bad name.

He might have been eaten by a bear if he left it at home.
/

33 Noam Sayin'  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 6:43:46pm

re: #32 SanFranciscoZionist

Good point.

34 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 6:43:55pm

re: #24 BatGuano

Why is Matthews talking to this guy? and who brought that "Tree of liberty" sign? Unfortunately he can quote Heinlein.

Heinlein? Sorry, can't play the vids from here.

35 Sharmuta  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 6:45:05pm

Ron Paul!

36 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 6:45:14pm

re: #28 _RememberTonyC

My mama would whack him in the shoulder with her purse "Aunt Esther Style."

Yeah, I wouldn't bet on him in a fight with some of these ladies.

37 BatGuano  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 6:45:34pm

re: #34 SanFranciscoZionist

Kostric said, "An armed society is a polite society"- Henlein

38 Charles Johnson  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 6:46:02pm

It takes a special kind of stupid to show up at a meeting with the President of the US carrying a loaded handgun, then try to pretend there's nothing odd about it.

39 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 6:46:05pm

re: #4 Sharmuta

"God's going to judge you!"

That's out of line, imo. Using God to bully people is an ugly tactic.

People throw the accusation of "Taking the Lord's name in vain" about far to much, and far too liberally.

What you quote there, in my mind, is exactly what is meant by taking the Lord's name in vain, and not someone yelling "gawt-damnit" when they stub their toe.

40 Mich-again  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 6:46:06pm

Cudos to Arlen Specter for how he handled the scene. And after the one ranting guy early on, I thought the people in the crowd displayed good behavior and the questions were respectful.

People are angry. Huge surprise.

41 macofromoc  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 6:46:28pm

yeah, What Would Ron Paul Do

42 Truck Monkey  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 6:47:04pm

re: #24 BatGuano

Why is Matthews talking to this guy? and who brought that "Tree of liberty" sign? Unfortunately he can quote Heinlein.

I'd be more impressed if he could quote Heinsohn.

43 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 6:47:09pm

re: #37 BatGuano

Kostric said, "An armed society is a polite society"- Henlein

Ah. That quote.

44 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 6:47:18pm

re: #38 Charles

It takes a special kind of stupid to show up at a meeting with the President of the US carrying a loaded handgun, then try to pretend there's nothing odd about it.

Quite Concur.

45 _RememberTonyC  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 6:47:22pm

re: #36 SanFranciscoZionist

Yeah, I wouldn't bet on him in a fight with some of these ladies.

older ladies can sniff out bullshit a mile away ... they have heard it all!

46 BignJames  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 6:47:42pm

re: #38 Charles

It takes a special kind of stupid to show up at a meeting with the President of the US with a loaded handgun, then try to pretend there's nothing odd about it.


As they say...ugly's skin deep, stupid's to the bone.

47 avanti  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 6:47:45pm

re: #38 Charles

It takes a special kind of stupid to show up at a meeting with the President of the US with a loaded handgun, then try to pretend there's nothing odd about it.

I think he was looking for a confrontation to "prove" Obama will take away our guns.

48 jvic  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 6:48:04pm

re: #16 snowcrash

LGF's fake Town Hall was better. I'd like to see how Spector would address our concerns.

Interesting point (which may have been made during the LGF town hall). I wonder if anyone would come if Charles invited them.

John Kerry is probably not a promising candidate...just a guess...

49 jcm  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 6:49:46pm

re: #38 Charles

It takes a special kind of stupid to show up at a meeting with the President of the US with a loaded handgun, then try to pretend there's nothing odd about it.

I carry often.

I would not carry to a town with POTUS.

No brainer.

50 BatGuano  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 6:49:50pm

For some reason , Kostric reminds me of Cosmo Kramer.

51 Sharmuta  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 6:49:51pm

re: #31 BatGuano

He's a frustrated citizen blowing off steam. I think it's forgivable.

It's emotional and irrational. The gentleman in red did a much better job convincing me of his position than the first guy or the lady going off like a paulbot.

52 jcm  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 6:50:04pm

re: #49 jcm

I carry often.

I would not carry to a town with POTUS.

No brainer.

PIMF town hall...

53 avanti  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 6:50:24pm

re: #48 jvic

Interesting point (which may have been made during the LGF town hall). I wonder if anyone would come if Charles invited them.

John Kerry is probably not a promising candidate...just a guess...

Spector was horrible at the town hall, I was not impressed with him at all. I don't agree with the way he was treated, but he just was not well spoken on the issues.

54 snowcrash  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 6:50:33pm

re: #48 jvic
All the heat and emotion is gone, just questions and answers. It would be really interesting.

55 albusteve  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 6:50:33pm

guns?...no big deal, sorry

56 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 6:50:51pm

re: #47 avanti

I think he was looking for a confrontation to "prove" Obama will take away our guns.

All he proven is that he's a idiot. Now he's the story, instead of Obama's plan. Hope you enjoy your 15 minutes, jackass.

57 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 6:51:29pm

re: #50 BatGuano

For some reason , Kostric reminds me of Cosmo Kramer.

Who is Kostric?

58 MandyManners  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 6:51:34pm

I thought this thread was gonna' be about those cute baby animals that Charles sometimes posts about.

59 Charles Johnson  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 6:51:43pm

re: #49 jcm

I carry often.

I would not carry to a town with POTUS.

No brainer.

I'd hope all responsible gun owners would condemn this kind of idiocy.

60 Sharmuta  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 6:52:07pm

Good for Chris to push the birther issue.

61 jcm  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 6:52:13pm

re: #58 MandyManners

I thought this thread was gonna' be about those cute baby animals that Charles sometimes posts about.

re: #12 jcm

BAIT AND SWITCH!
BAIT AND SWITCH!

I was expecting a cute zoo baby!

;-P

GMTA!

62 NukeAtomrod  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 6:52:51pm

These people are angry and have legitimate concerns. If the GOP or any other right wing group was organizing these protesters, they would pick people that were slicker, more able to express themselves. These guys are obviously showing up independently and are angry and frightened about the vague yet life-changing plans that Obama has for our country. They are so worked up that they are doing things that are counter-productive to their goals. That's the way honest people behave when they confront an overwhelming authority that they feel threatened by.

63 avanti  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 6:53:02pm

re: #59 Charles

I'd hope all responsible gun owners would condemn this kind of idiocy.

Someone pointed out, he probably tied up some law enforcement that had to watch him full time.

64 Kragar  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 6:53:27pm

re: #59 Charles

I'd hope all responsible gun owners would condemn this kind of idiocy.

Hope hasn't been exactly doing that good for the last few months

65 avanti  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 6:53:28pm

re: #62 NukeAtomrod

These people are angry and have legitimate concerns. If the GOP or any other right wing group was organizing these protesters, they would pick people that were slicker, more able to express themselves. These guys are obviously showing up independently and are angry and frightened about the vague yet life-changing plans that Obama has for our country. They are so worked up that they are doing things that are counter-productive to their goals. That's the way honest people behave when they confront an overwhelming authority that they feel threatened by.

66 NukeAtomrod  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 6:53:49pm

re: #38 Charles

It takes a special kind of stupid to show up at a meeting with the President of the US carrying a loaded handgun, then try to pretend there's nothing odd about it.

Yeah. That's just stupid.

67 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 6:53:51pm

BTW, and OT, for those of you who've been wondering what Code Pink is up to, one of the things they're up to is hassling Ahava, an Israeli company that makes skin- and hair-care products using minerals from the Dead Sea.

Check out their campaign. For those of you who have some spare change, and were thinking you might order some fancy sunblock some time soon, they have very nice products. Might I discreetly suggest a purchase of a nice Ahava product, followed by notes to the company and Code Pink, letting them know why you're patronizing them?

They have a new line of botanical body washes in trendy scents!

68 BatGuano  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 6:53:55pm

re: #51 Sharmuta

In debate, emotion is irrational. I was giving him a pass because he's not a professional ass hat like snarlin' Arlen.

69 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 6:53:58pm

re: #60 Sharmuta

Good for Chris to push the birther issue.

Matthews isn't stupid, even though he has sometimes acted that way. He knows that Paulians love letting loose with the Crazy, so he lets them do so. Give a Paulian enough rope and he'll hang himself.

70 BatGuano  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 6:54:24pm

BBL

71 Noam Sayin'  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 6:54:34pm

re: #59 Charles

I'd hope all responsible gun owners would condemn this kind of idiocy.

Absolutely. Why put the Secret Service through extra measures even if you mean the Pres no harm?

72 albusteve  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 6:54:36pm

re: #59 Charles

I'd hope all responsible gun owners would condemn this kind of idiocy.

I would probably leave mine behind but as for others that's their choice...there are armed people everywhere

73 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 6:55:00pm

re: #47 avanti

I think he was looking for a confrontation to "prove" Obama will take away our guns.

I don't know about Obama, but the Secret Service certainly will if you get too close to their protectee.

74 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 6:55:07pm

re: #67 SanFranciscoZionist

BTW, and OT, for those of you who've been wondering what Code Pink is up to, one of the things they're up to is hassling Ahava, an Israeli company that makes skin- and hair-care products using minerals from the Dead Sea.

Check out their campaign. For those of you who have some spare change, and were thinking you might order some fancy sunblock some time soon, they have very nice products. Might I discreetly suggest a purchase of a nice Ahava product, followed by notes to the company and Code Pink, letting them know why you're patronizing them?

They have a new line of botanical body washes in trendy scents!

Buy Ahava at the Zionist Mall!

75 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 6:55:21pm

re: #67 SanFranciscoZionist

BTW, and OT, for those of you who've been wondering what Code Pink is up to, one of the things they're up to is hassling Ahava, an Israeli company that makes skin- and hair-care products using minerals from the Dead Sea.

Check out their campaign. For those of you who have some spare change, and were thinking you might order some fancy sunblock some time soon, they have very nice products. Might I discreetly suggest a purchase of a nice Ahava product, followed by notes to the company and Code Pink, letting them know why you're patronizing them?

They have a new line of botanical body washes in trendy scents!

Code Pink = Shills for Islamist Terror

/spits

76 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 6:55:25pm

re: #55 albusteve

guns?...no big deal, sorry

Yeah, but loaded gun+that protest sign+nearby POTUS=big deal.

77 avanti  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 6:55:29pm

Odd #65 was not me.

78 Sharmuta  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 6:56:20pm

I hope this gun toting moron is now on a list of potential right-wing extremists. What a nut job! People who continue to deny right-wing extremism are delusional.

79 albusteve  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 6:56:31pm

re: #76 Slumbering Behemoth

Yeah, but loaded gun+that protest sign+nearby POTUS=big deal.

all the have to do is restrict firearms at these events...if it's that important

80 Noam Sayin'  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 6:57:23pm

re: #79 albusteve

Can't agree with you on this one, steve. One simply doesn't bring their carry weapon to the same place the President will be.

81 jorline  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 6:57:51pm

re: #38 Charles

It takes a special kind of stupid to show up at a meeting with the President of the US with a loaded handgun, then try to pretend there's nothing odd about it.

A man carried a handgun strapped to his leg to a town hall meeting being held by President Obama in Portsmouth, New Hampshire on Tuesday.

It's legal for him to have the gun as long as it is unconcealed, the police told MSNBC. The man was on private property -- church ground on the roadway leading to the high school where Obama would speak. The church gave the man permission to be there. However, according to police officers, he is under constant surveillance and is not anywhere near where the president will speak.

Charles, it sounds like he was further away from the President then most child molesters are legally permitted from school yards.

I don't agree with the guy...clearly his agenda was not health care.

82 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 6:57:51pm

re: #72 albusteve

I would probably leave mine behind but as for others that's their choice...there are armed people everywhere

To be fair, steve; The President is a special case. It is entirely appropriate for the Secret Service to allow no ne not under their control to bear arms near POTUS. The risk is just too great, even if its very small. And as Charles has pointed out, Obama has been threatened more than most.

83 Charles Johnson  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 6:58:23pm

I'm a gun owner, by the way. The retired sergeant who taught my ROTC gun safety class in high school would have beaten that Ron Paul-voting "sovereign citizen" loser into a pulp, the first time he showed a sign of acting like that.

84 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 6:58:47pm

re: #47 avanti

I think he was looking for a confrontation to "prove" Obama will take away our guns.

This guy is a complete whack job who probably can't think beyond his next breath.

85 yochanan  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 6:59:17pm

great choice ZERO.
ranks up there.

why honor a known anti semite. maybe because he doesn't see it as a problem.

86 Killgore Trout  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 6:59:19pm

This is not going to end well. I thought the original tea Party protests were bad but this is much much worse.

87 Sharmuta  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 6:59:33pm

The Federal Reserve Bank is the problem- of course! [eye-roll]

88 Wendya  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 6:59:56pm

re: #23 Noam Sayin'

The Paulian brought a gun to a town hall?

Irresponsible gun owners give the rest of us a bad name.

He didn't enter the property with it. He was on private property with the permission of the owners holding a sign and carrying an unconcealed firearm. He didn't break any laws, he just exercised exceptionally shitty judgment both by carrying a firearm to a protest and by the actual quote on the sign.

89 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 7:00:06pm

re: #83 Charles

I'm a gun owner, by the way. The retired sergeant who taught my ROTC gun safety class in high school would have beaten that "sovereign citizen" loser into a pulp, the first time he showed a sign of acting like that.

I'm reading two of the top articles that came up at google and I seem to be missing two points I would like to know about.

The date of the town hall meeting that he was protesting at and was he arrested?

90 jcm  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 7:00:33pm

re: #73 SanFranciscoZionist

I don't know about Obama, but the Secret Service certainly will if you get too close to their protectee.

They are very good at spotting too.

I spent a morning at the range then went to a boat show, RWR was POTUS and Michael Reagan was presenting about his boat racing. I didn't know Michael Reagan was there. I stepped into the presentation hall to see what was up, and a USSS agent politely asked me to leave it behind if I was going to watch Reagan.

I was wearing loose clothing with nothing visible, and was still tagged by USSS, I've never been tagged by anyone else that I was carrying in 30 years of doing so.

91 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 7:01:16pm

re: #79 albusteve

all the have to do is restrict firearms at these events...if it's that important

I'm sure they do. He wasn't at the event, but on church property facing the road to the event.

Oswald wasn't in the Kennedy motorcade, but he was in a book repository near it's route.

Obviously the guy in the above video didn't cause any harm, but he sure wasn't using his damn brain. It's likely that he was a highly trained hair trigger away from losing his life that day.

92 albusteve  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 7:02:15pm

re: #80 Noam Sayin'

Can't agree with you on this one, steve. One simply doesn't bring their carry weapon to the same place the President will be.

I would not...but he's allowed to by law and that's the bottom line...out of propriety for security reasons he should have left it home, but the fact that he didn't is his business...I'm only looking at what the law says

93 _RememberTonyC  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 7:02:50pm

if some nut (G-d forbid) were to take a shot at the POTUS, the violent backlash that would break out in this country would make Watts, Detroit, and the Rodney King riots look like recess at an elementary school. This hysteria needs to be stopped in its tracks before it gets out of control.

94 Sharmuta  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 7:02:54pm

"Clearly I'm not advocating violence" *wink wink*

95 albusteve  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 7:04:16pm

I've stepped in the shit again...

96 Wendya  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 7:04:32pm

re: #78 Sharmuta

I hope this gun toting moron is now on a list of potential right-wing extremists. What a nut job! People who continue to deny right-wing extremism are delusional.

Sharmuta, he's an idiot but he was exercising constitutional rights on both counts.

97 Wendya  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 7:05:05pm

re: #86 Killgore Trout

This is not going to end well. I thought the original tea Party protests were bad but this is much much worse.

I agree. When people are ignored, marginalized and called liars, BAD things happen.

98 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 7:05:17pm

re: #89 Walter L. Newton

I'm reading two of the top articles that came up at google and I seem to be missing two points I would like to know about.

The date of the town hall meeting that he was protesting at and was he arrested?

Never mind, I got it, had to dig a little more.

99 Flyovercountry  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 7:05:36pm

This idiot couldn't have done more to hurt our side if he were specifically hired by Obama for that purpose. One way to lose this debate is to be what they are accusing us of being. Really dummy, what was the gun going to accomplish anyhow? Peacefully asking qeustions for which there are no good answers is worth gold in this debate. Taking a gun to a town hall meeting is beyond worthless. It lends credibility to statements that an unruly mob is infiltrating these meetings. One idiot can destroy the effect of a large group of actually outraged Americans.

100 albusteve  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 7:05:57pm

re: #94 Sharmuta

"Clearly I'm not advocating violence" *wink wink*

armed citizens have little record of violence as opposed to criminals

101 itellu3times  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 7:06:03pm

re: #96 Wendya

Sharmuta, he's an idiot but he was exercising constitutional rights on both counts.

Can't seem to reconcile the idea of freedom with outlawing idiocy, durn it.

102 Wendya  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 7:06:45pm

re: #89 Walter L. Newton

I'm reading two of the top articles that came up at google and I seem to be missing two points I would like to know about.

The date of the town hall meeting that he was protesting at and was he arrested?

He was protesting from the sidelines of one of Obama's town halls. He was not arrested because being stupid isn't against the law.

103 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 7:07:18pm

re: #95 albusteve

I've stepped in the shit again...

Meh. Scrape it off, rinse the shoe (I hope you were wearing shoes), and you'll be fine.

You were speaking literally, right?
/

104 BignJames  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 7:07:22pm

re: #99 Flyovercountry

This idiot couldn't have done more to hurt our side if he were specifically hired by Obama for that purpose. One way to lose this debate is to be what they are accusing us of being. Really dummy, what was the gun going to accomplish anyhow? Peacefully asking qeustions for which there are no good answers is worth gold in this debate. Taking a gun to a town hall meeting is beyond worthless. It lends credibility to statements that an unruly mob is infiltrating these meetings. One idiot can destroy the effect of a large group of actually outraged Americans.


Can I start yelling

false flag

, now?

105 itellu3times  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 7:07:54pm

re: #102 Wendya

He was protesting from the sidelines of one of Obama's town halls. He was not arrested because being stupid isn't against the law.

Yeah, but at some point it turns out to be against the law of the survival of the not stupidest.

106 albusteve  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 7:08:02pm

re: #103 Slumbering Behemoth

Meh. Scrape it off, rinse the shoe (I hope you were wearing shoes), and you'll be fine.

You were speaking literally, right?
/

like KT says I stink

107 yochanan  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 7:08:16pm

re: #93 _RememberTonyC

if some nut (G-d forbid) were to take a shot at the POTUS, the violent backlash that would break out in this country would make Watts, Detroit, and the Rodney King riots look like recess at an elementary school. This hysteria needs to be stopped in its tracks before it gets out of control.

that is quite true, in fact i heard a few rumors on that subject this morning on the bus. some one wanted to start a race war in America (Nazi' or islamist or some other nut case) that is what they would do.

I personally hope the zero serves his full 4 years and has a long uneventful life after that.

108 NukeAtomrod  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 7:08:21pm

re: #99 Flyovercountry

This idiot couldn't have done more to hurt our side if he were specifically hired by Obama for that purpose. One way to lose this debate is to be what they are accusing us of being. Really dummy, what was the gun going to accomplish anyhow? Peacefully asking qeustions for which there are no good answers is worth gold in this debate. Taking a gun to a town hall meeting is beyond worthless. It lends credibility to statements that an unruly mob is infiltrating these meetings. One idiot can destroy the effect of a large group of actually outraged Americans.

Which is why Chris Matthews put him on his show. If this idiot's antics gain traction, maybe people will be deterred from going to these town hall meetings.

109 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 7:08:36pm

re: #6 _RememberTonyC

Dear Mr President:
You accuse your opponents of fearmongering and spreading falsehoods about Obamacare, but why are we constantly bombarded with the number "47,000,000 Americans without health insurance" when we know only about a third of that number are actually unable to afford insurance? Why don't we fix the problem for the 17-20 millions Americans in need as opposed to remaking a system that serves over 300,000,000 satisfied Americans?


Gosh-ding!

110 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 7:09:22pm

re: #102 Wendya

He was protesting from the sidelines of one of Obama's town halls. He was not arrested because being stupid isn't against the law.

Thanks, I finally found the references in an article.

Which brings me to WHY I had trouble finding out some stuff at first. This guy did nothing wrong. I was skimming the articles and wondering, he's on MSNBC, wasn't he arrested, how come there is nothing about an arrest and so on.

Oh, he did nothing wrong.

Probably stupid, but nothing wrong.

111 BignJames  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 7:09:32pm

re: #104 BignJames

Quote function be messin' wid my posts.

112 jcm  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 7:09:47pm

re: #102 Wendya

He was protesting from the sidelines of one of Obama's town halls. He was not arrested because being stupid isn't against the law.

We'll see if he gets charged.

The sign and the fact he was carrying can be construed as a threat to POTUS.
Scooping him up and letting him cool off for 48 hours isn't the end of the world.

USSS has no room for error in protecting the POTUS.

I'm as pro 2nd as they come.

113 Sharmuta  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 7:10:00pm

re: #96 Wendya

Sharmuta, he's an idiot but he was exercising constitutional rights on both counts.

Did I say something contrary to that? Would law enforcement be out of line to monitor this man after his comments and actions?

114 Gella  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 7:10:07pm

have u seen Daily Presidential Tracking Poll
[Link: www.rasmussenreports.com...]
i dont know how true this is, just wondering

115 jaunte  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 7:11:22pm

Unrepentant idiocy on parade.

116 ladycatnip  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 7:11:47pm

#99 Flyovercountry

This idiot couldn't have done more to hurt our side if he were specifically hired by Obama for that purpose.

Hmmm, he definitely looked and sounded stupid enough to be a leftist. Maybe we should read Alinsky's rules to see whether this is a tactic or not, as I wouldn't put this past them - a little digging would shed the light on this.

Either way, left-nut or right-wingnut, he should be in jail for taking a gun to the location where our president would be. I'd see that as a definite threat.

117 sngnsgt  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 7:12:03pm

re: #114 Gella

It expresses my feelings, it should be even lower.

118 albusteve  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 7:12:19pm

re: #113 Sharmuta

Did I say something contrary to that? Would law enforcement be out of line to monitor this man after his comments and actions?

yes

119 CyanSnowHawk  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 7:12:27pm

re: #104 BignJames

, now?

False flag? Not likely. Paulians seem to have their own special brand of stupid, which is plenty to explain this guy.

To use another Heinlein quote, "You have attributed conditions to villainy that simply result from stupidity."

120 NelsFree  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 7:12:54pm

re: #104 BignJames

, now?


Good evening all,

Clearly, this ONE LONE PERSON has become the focus of this thread (and the focii of many posters) which takes the focus off the real problem; Obama care is going to foc us all.

121 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 7:13:00pm

re: #113 Sharmuta

Did I say something contrary to that? Would law enforcement be out of line to monitor this man after his comments and actions?

If you mean down the road, in the future, yes.

122 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 7:13:12pm

re: #102 Wendya

He was protesting from the sidelines of one of Obama's town halls. He was not arrested because being stupid isn't against the law.

It should be. And it should hurt.
/
NSFW

123 RememberSekhmet?  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 7:13:48pm

Making sure your earrings are out and you're wearing your steel-toed boots in case some arsehole starts trouble is prudent (hey, I don't think those SEIU choads would refrain from hitting a girl). Bringing a gun is so dumb I can't pick my jaw up off the floor to form words about it.

124 jaunte  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 7:13:49pm

I'm surprised this guy didn't claim we started down the wrong road in 1789 by paying for a Navy.

125 jcm  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 7:14:27pm

re: #113 Sharmuta

Did I say something contrary to that? Would law enforcement be out of line to monitor this man after his comments and actions?

They will.

They make visits to individuals who have made threats in the past when POTUS visits the local they live in.

126 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 7:14:55pm

re: #106 albusteve

like KT says I stink

Nah, dude. You're alright as far as I'm concerned. I might not agree with you all the time, but you're cool.

127 jcm  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 7:15:03pm

re: #124 jaunte

I'm surprised this guy didn't claim we started down the wrong road in 1789 by paying for a Navy.

I blame the Dread Pirate Bush!

128 Charles Johnson  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 7:15:30pm

re: #124 jaunte

I'm surprised this guy didn't claim we started down the wrong road in 1789 by paying for a Navy.

Yep. It's all been dowhill since 1789.

129 jaunte  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 7:15:39pm

re: #127 jcm

It's the Privateer sector!

130 NelsFree  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 7:15:48pm

re: #114 Gella

have u seen Daily Presidential Tracking Poll
[Link: www.rasmussenreports.com...]
i dont know how true this is, just wondering

linear extrapolation puts him at 40% by May '10.
/Jus' sayin'

131 ladycatnip  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 7:16:14pm

re my #116

I'm a HUGE 2nd Amendment fan, but for anyone to take a gun to the president's location has to be dumber than dirt.

132 yochanan  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 7:16:21pm

re: #122 Slumbering Behemoth

can i have my 30 secs back?

133 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 7:16:57pm

re: #114 Gella

have u seen Daily Presidential Tracking Poll
[Link: www.rasmussenreports.com...]
i dont know how true this is, just wondering

Probably accurate. Rasmussen only polls likely voters, which makes his polls the most reliable.

134 Gella  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 7:17:04pm

re: #130 NelsFree

linear extrapolation puts him at 40% by May '10.
/Jus' sayin'

ya don't forget +/-3% for statistical inaccuracy

135 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 7:17:59pm

re: #100 albusteve

armed citizens have little record of violence as opposed to criminals

What distinguishes an armed citizen from a criminal, besides violence?
And citizenship, possibly.
/

136 jorline  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 7:18:00pm

These guys scare the shit out of me.

Rifles now, or pitchforks later. It's decision time. They need to be afraid of us. I'm not saying we need to be violent, but they need to be afraid of our potential for violence.

137 NelsFree  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 7:18:09pm

re: #129 jaunte

It's the Privateer sector!

ARrrrgh! We be startin' a Piyratt pun thread, me hearties!
/Rrrr

138 Wendya  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 7:18:12pm

re: #110 Walter L. Newton

Thanks, I finally found the references in an article.

Which brings me to WHY I had trouble finding out some stuff at first. This guy did nothing wrong. I was skimming the articles and wondering, he's on MSNBC, wasn't he arrested, how come there is nothing about an arrest and so on.

Oh, he did nothing wrong.

Probably stupid, but nothing wrong.

Absolutely mind numbingly stupid, at least from my perspective, but not even remotely illegal. Yet, there is a flurry of panic about him bringing a gun to a town hall meeting. He didn't ever attempt to enter the property. He wasn't at the town hall meeting, he was on private property.

139 Zorro  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 7:18:50pm

At least he didn't show up in a wheelchair, like that clansman.

140 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 7:18:55pm

re: #122 Slumbering Behemoth

Yochanan, I don't actually believe the cops should beat someone up because they say something stupid. I just took Wendya's post as an opportunity to link something funny, that's all.

141 RememberSekhmet?  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 7:19:21pm

I think 0bama is an A-class choad, but he is still the President, and threatening his life should gain one a serious talking-to, if not an ass-kicking from, the Secret Service.

142 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 7:19:48pm

re: #123 RememberSekhmet?

Making sure your earrings are out and you're wearing your steel-toed boots in case some arsehole starts trouble is prudent (hey, I don't think those SEIU choads would refrain from hitting a girl). Bringing a gun is so dumb I can't pick my jaw up off the floor to form words about it.

I also recommend making sure your keys are not in your pants pockets, and having ID.

143 Cato the Elder  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 7:20:19pm

Might as well serve up my daily limerick an hour or two earlier.

The cryptofascistic Ann Coulter
Whines of all of the things that revolt her.
Since the list is so long, Ann,
Just give us a song, and
A blonde, stiff salute from the shoulder.

144 Spare O'Lake  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 7:20:27pm

The guy with the gun made mince meat out of Matthews.
Considering his extreme disadvantage in the interview, I thought he was calm, cool and brilliant compared to the ranting, drooling fool Matthews.
Having said that, I disagreed with almost everything the polite armed fellow said.

145 tedzilla99  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 7:20:48pm

re: #141 RememberSekhmet?

I think 0bama is an A-class choad, but he is still the President, and threatening his life should gain one a serious talking-to, if not an ass-kicking from, the Secret Service.

You're right, and as soon as somebody does, I'm sure it will happen. However, that is not the case here.

146 Killgore Trout  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 7:20:58pm

I have confidence that the Secret Service could handle the situation but I do seriously fear for the safety of our president.

147 NelsFree  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 7:21:14pm

re: #134 Gella

ya don't forget +/-3% for statistical inaccuracy

ARRrrrgh! Ye bein' accusin' me o' inaccuracy, Matey! Draw yer weapon!
I'll cut yer decimal off yer bones faster than skin falls off a Leper on a vibratin' bed!!
/Arr, I copied that last bit.

148 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 7:21:32pm

re: #146 Killgore Trout

I have confidence that the Secret Service could handle the situation but I do seriously fear for the safety of our president.

They're very, very good at what they do. We can only hope for the best.

149 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 7:21:43pm

re: #138 Wendya

Absolutely mind numbingly stupid, at least from my perspective, but not even remotely illegal. Yet, there is a flurry of panic about him bringing a gun to a town hall meeting. He didn't ever attempt to enter the property. He wasn't at the town hall meeting, he was on private property.

And that was my point. He had a point to make, and he did a wonderful job of making it and staying in the bounds of the law. Excellent lesson in constitutional rights and who our freedoms work.

Terrible lesson in choices one makes to present an opinion and a point of view.

But over all, what we are all about worked in this situation and that's amazing.

Could you imagine this in any other country?

Personally, I'm proud of us.

Not him.

150 albusteve  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 7:22:30pm

re: #141 RememberSekhmet?

I think 0bama is an A-class choad, but he is still the President, and threatening his life should gain one a serious talking-to, if not an ass-kicking from, the Secret Service.

who did that?...the man was armed, which is his right...he didn't threaten anybody, and there were probably many other armed citizens around as well

151 brookly red  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 7:22:39pm

re: #147 NelsFree

ARRrrrgh! Ye bein' accusin' me o' inaccuracy, Matey! Draw yer weapon!
I'll cut yer decimal off yer bones faster than skin falls off a Leper on a vibratin' bed!!
/Arr, I copied that last bit.

copied or pirated??

152 Wendya  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 7:22:44pm

re: #113 Sharmuta

Did I say something contrary to that? Would law enforcement be out of line to monitor this man after his comments and actions?

No, they wouldn't. Being a dumbass doesn't make him a potential threat to the President but his stupid, ill thought out actions will divert money and manpower to tracking him when he may be nothing more than just a blowhard.

153 Flyovercountry  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 7:22:48pm

re: #131 ladycatnip

re my #116

I'm a HUGE 2nd Amendment fan, but for anyone to take a gun to the president's location has to be dumber than dirt.

By the way, the 2nd amendment will not save you from the wrath of the Secret Service when venturing into the location or proximity of those they are protecting. This is a special kind of Stupid. There is a complete lack of humor in these matters. This idiot will spend the rest of his life on a special list of morons to be rounded up anytime anyone with protection pops by. He doesn't realize it yet, but he'll get it one day. During a presidential campaign in say, 27 years or so.

154 Killgore Trout  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 7:22:54pm

I also find it very disheartening to see so many people supporting a white nationalist showing up with a loaded gun to protest our President.

155 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 7:23:13pm

re: #136 jorline

These guys scare the shit out of me.

Oh. My. God. That statement is so stupid its hard to keep your jaw from hitting the floor. What difference is there between that and what Hamas says? Answer: Not much difference at all.

156 Kosh's Shadow  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 7:23:45pm

Boy has Ben Stein gone downhill, now appearing in an ad for one of those sleazy credit report sites.

157 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 7:24:05pm

re: #123 RememberSekhmet?

As others have pointed out, the man acted within his legal rights, but he was damn stupid doing it the way he did.

I have the legal, constitutional right to walk into a biker bar and yell "People who wear leather and ride bikes are homos", but you better believe I am no where dumb enough to actually do that.

158 quickjustice  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 7:24:15pm

re: #124 jaunte

We didn't start paying for the Navy until Jefferson ordered the six frigates to fight the Barbary Pirates. Before that, we paid tribute.

159 _RememberTonyC  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 7:24:18pm

have a good night, all. thanks for the updings and rational discussion.

160 Cato the Elder  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 7:24:31pm

"One day God's going to stand before you."

Um, point of order?

I believe, theologically speaking, it's the other way round.

161 NelsFree  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 7:25:06pm

re: #151 brookly red

copied or pirated??

ARRRrrrgh!!!

162 jorline  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 7:25:08pm

re: #155 Dark_Falcon

Oh. My. God. That statement is so stupid its hard to keep your jaw from hitting the floor. What difference is there between that and what Hamas says? Answer: Not much difference at all.

LUAP NOR supporters.

163 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 7:25:18pm

re: #154 Killgore Trout

I also find it very disheartening to see so many people supporting a white nationalist showing up with a loaded gun to protest our President.

I'm support our laws and our law keepers. The police and all the other law enforcement officials, evidently the secret service, and generally all involved, acted with in the law, the constitution, and nothing happened.

And the jerk, well, he was with in his rights too.

I'm supporting our country, good job.

164 Wendya  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 7:25:22pm

re: #149 Walter L. Newton

And that was my point. He had a point to make, and he did a wonderful job of making it and staying in the bounds of the law. Excellent lesson in constitutional rights and who our freedoms work.

Terrible lesson in choices one makes to present an opinion and a point of view.

But over all, what we are all about worked in this situation and that's amazing.

Could you imagine this in any other country?

Personally, I'm proud of us.

Not him.

No, absolutely not him but your point about our ability to peacefully exercise our rights is well stated.

Some people seem to miss the fact that he was violating no laws. We've become a country that seems to think what we feel should dictate what is legal.

165 albusteve  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 7:25:58pm

re: #154 Killgore Trout

I also find it very disheartening to see so many people supporting a white nationalist showing up with a loaded gun to protest our President.

I support the rule of law...I leave the assumptions to other mind readers...is the guy smart?, probably not...that does not make him and extremist killer

166 Racer X  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 7:26:01pm

Ron Paul supporter.

All I need to know.

167 Spare O'Lake  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 7:26:02pm

re: #146 Killgore Trout

I have confidence that the Secret Service could handle the situation but I do seriously fear for the safety of our president.

Agreed, Obama like every POTUS since Kennedy, really needs to watch himself and avoid risky settings.
Allowing armed civilians without security clearance to be within range of a president is just plain nuts.

168 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 7:26:08pm

re: #160 Cato the Elder

"One day God's going to stand before you."

Um, point of order?

I believe, theologically speaking, it's the other way round.

Exactly. This guy is going to have to answer to Jesus for his crazy actions, and won't he be surprised when he learns what Jesus thinks of them.

169 karmic_inquisitor  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 7:26:59pm

Well there is a media library of the evolution of a protest movement here. It too got out of control even though a great many on the left still admire it.

Plenty of instances of one side shouting down the other in public forums.

Plenty of instances of groups taking up arms.

Principled grievance evolving into self righteous idiocy and ultimately destruction. Then and now.

170 Racer X  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 7:27:31pm

"New Hampshire - Live Free Or Die"

171 quickjustice  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 7:27:55pm

B/T/W, I voted for the idiot McCain. Still no regrets.

172 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 7:28:11pm

re: #67 SanFranciscoZionist

BTW, and OT, for those of you who've been wondering what Code Pink is up to, one of the things they're up to is hassling Ahava, an Israeli company that makes skin- and hair-care products using minerals from the Dead Sea.

Check out their campaign. For those of you who have some spare change, and were thinking you might order some fancy sunblock some time soon, they have very nice products. Might I discreetly suggest a purchase of a nice Ahava product, followed by notes to the company and Code Pink, letting them know why you're patronizing them?

They have a new line of botanical body washes in trendy scents!

I just added the sunblock and the trendy botanical body washes.

173 NelsFree  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 7:28:11pm

re: #155 Dark_Falcon

From the Constitution of the United States, Second Amendment:
" A well-regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."

175 wee fury  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 7:28:38pm

Henry Repeating Arms had a commercial on FNC (O'Reilly). Also ran on CNN (Dobbs).

176 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 7:29:15pm

re: #172 Alouette

I just added the sunblock and the trendy botanical body washes.

Thank you greatly!

177 Cato the Elder  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 7:30:30pm

"I'm prepared to keep single payer on the table as a matter of consideration and flexibility."

Nonononononono. We can't have sanity leaking into this discussion.

178 Wendya  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 7:31:44pm

re: #177 Cato the Elder

"I'm prepared to keep single payer on the table as a matter of consideration and flexibility."

And as a way to drive private insurance companies out of business.

179 quickjustice  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 7:32:02pm

re: #177 Cato the Elder

Explain. You like single payer because . . .?

180 RememberSekhmet?  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 7:32:03pm

re: #150 albusteve

who did that?...the man was armed, which is his right...he didn't threaten anybody, and there were probably many other armed citizens around as well

Hey, to be fair, I think he was arming himself more against the union goons than against the President, but there ain't no Psi Corps working for the Secret Service to let them know the difference, so no guns near the POTUS, period.

181 calcajun  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 7:32:14pm

I am a gun owner.

I am a strong believer not only in the Second Amendment right of the individual to own firearms, but, under proper circumstances, individuals should be allowed to carry their weapons.

But, this guy is either a complete idiot (in the literal sense) or he is an anti-gun agent provocateur. No one can be that stupid to carry a gun and have a placard about watering the tree of liberty--at an event where the POTUS is going to be speaking. It's akin to yelling "Fire" in a crowded movie house and claiming free speech. This is a man that did more damage today to gun owners than imaginable.

As for Sen. Specter, he had to know what he was getting into. There was a mixed bag in that crowd, to be sure. I think the concerned citizens outnumber the plants and if you look, you can spot both sides. But, this is got to be resonating with Washington--the American people do not want this and they certainly don't want it jammed down their throats.

182 Cato the Elder  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 7:32:57pm

That guy in the white shirt and tie managing the microphone is obviously a kneecapping SEIU thug.

183 calcajun  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 7:33:00pm

re: #151 brookly red

copied or pirated??

Oh, I will not be hooked into this.

184 NelsFree  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 7:33:07pm

re: #169 karmic_inquisitor

Well there is a media library of the evolution of a protest movement here. It too got out of control even though a great many on the left still admire it.

Plenty of instances of one side shouting down the other in public forums.

Plenty of instances of groups taking up arms.

Principled grievance evolving into self righteous idiocy and ultimately destruction. Then and now.

You appear to have left out the Communist influence behind much of the leftist rhetoric.

185 brookly red  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 7:34:56pm

I just can't figure out how it is the taxes taken from what, 200 million people can be a single payer...

186 NelsFree  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 7:35:16pm

re: #183 calcajun

Oh, I will not be hooked into this.

ARgh, come on, let yer kids play in the back yard-arm!
/R

187 Cato the Elder  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 7:35:26pm

I'd rather have corporate telephone monkeys in charge of my life, any day. They're so chirpy and sexy on the phone.

188 jaunte  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 7:35:38pm

re: #181 calcajun

I'm pretty sure he is, and remains, a complete idiot. And his politics and intention are probably represented by this Ron Paul forum comment jorline linked earlier up at 136:

Rifles now, or pitchforks later. It's decision time. They need to be afraid of us. I'm not saying we need to be violent, but they need to be afraid of our potential for violence.

189 karmic_inquisitor  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 7:35:42pm

re: #184 NelsFree

You appear to have left out the Communist influence behind much of the leftist rhetoric.

Well there is white nationalist rhetoric fueling a certain "bring you gun to the protest" guy these days. And then there is the whole Ron Paul thing with the Jooos.

Nuts seeking other nuts find trees.

190 brookly red  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 7:35:45pm

re: #183 calcajun

Oh, I will not be hooked into this.

too late

191 Cato the Elder  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 7:37:12pm

Of course, illegal aliens are the root of any health care problems in this great nation.

192 RememberSekhmet?  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 7:37:13pm

re: #187 Cato the Elder

I'd rather have corporate telephone monkeys in charge of my life, any day. They're so chirpy and sexy on the phone.

Being a professional telephone monkey for many years--trust me, you don't want us making those kinds of decisions for you. If you want to meet people who have learned to hate humanity, just listen to some phone monkeys who just got off work.

193 Red Lion  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 7:37:27pm

What was that crazoid doing on television? As Matthews pointed out, his presence with a gun and a sign constituted a threat against the president's life. He should have been clapped in leg irons and thrown in a dungeon ...

194 Truck Monkey  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 7:37:37pm

re: #185 brookly red

I just can't figure out how it is the taxes taken from what, 200 million people can be a single payer...

The really think that the money you are making is yours? You are lucky that the Gubment allows you to keep as much of it as you do.
/I wish I was being sarcastic.

195 quickjustice  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 7:37:46pm

re: #187 Cato the Elder

Not answering my question about your love for single payer because . . .?

196 Mich-again  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 7:38:16pm

I think the American taxpayers have a potential class action lawsuit against Congress for malpractice.

197 NelsFree  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 7:39:11pm

re: #189 karmic_inquisitor

Well there is white nationalist rhetoric fueling a certain "bring you gun to the protest" guy these days. And then there is the whole Ron Paul thing with the Jooos.

Nuts seeking other nuts find trees.

Please provide example(s) of White Nationalism present at the Town Hall meetings in protest of Health Care Reform. It is my opinion that any "Ron Paul thing with the Jooos" is irrelevant; I question why you brought that up.
/Perhaps you forgot your /sarc tag???

198 Cato the Elder  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 7:39:15pm

re: #195 quickjustice

Not answering my question about your love for single payer because . . .?

Of the way you posed it.

199 albusteve  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 7:40:19pm

re: #198 Cato the Elder

Of the way you posed it.

was a werd misspelled?...for shame!

200 quickjustice  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 7:40:22pm

re: #196 Mich-again

I'm hoping the voters throw the rascals out at the next opportunity. But you're flattering them. Only professionals can commit malpractice. Everyone else is merely reckless or negligent.

201 calcajun  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 7:40:23pm

re: #150 albusteve

who did that?...the man was armed, which is his right...he didn't threaten anybody, and there were probably many other armed citizens around as well

Buddy, there are a number of "don't"s in life. Among them are:

Don't wear a speedo to church
Don't wear white after Labor Bay.
Don't bring bacon-wrapped sausage balls to an Orthodox bar mitzvah
Don't mix plaids and stripes.
Don't eat chicken unless it's cooked to 185 degrees
Don't get involved in a land war in Asia
Don't go up against a Sicilian when death is on the line
and Do Not bring a fire arm--anything that looks like a gun--to an event where the POTUS is speaking (not unless you want to be gang tackled by Secret Services types)

These are things you just don't do.

202 jaunte  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 7:40:25pm

re: #196 Mich-again

I think the American taxpayers have a potential class action lawsuit against Congress for malpractice.

Congress has a sovereign remedy for that.

203 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 7:40:56pm

I've always noticed how the constitution sucks to progressives. Millions of people in this country elect politicians, judges, law makers, the whole ball of wax, and then these public officials come along and make law, and most of the time the laws are formed with the will of the people behind them.

You see, this guy was 100 percent with in his rights, and it is evident that he very carefully used every right that was afforded to him to make his point.

He wasn't stupid, he knew what he was doing. Do I suggest that this should be the modus operandi for anyone that wants to make points? No I don't. If anything, it's disruptive, dangerous, stretches resources and it is too close for comfort when the president is involved.

But still, he was with in his constitutional right, the laws of New Hampshire, of the town, and of the people who put these laws in place.

But progressives, they know nothing about what is really behind this mans craziness, they just "feel" that this is wrong, so that makes it wrong in their mind. Progressives will attempt to ignore anything, the will of the people, the laws, most anything if their feelings are hurt. It's almost a fear, a fear of the truth, fear that they are not the only ones who count, a fear of narrow vision.

Too bad.

204 albusteve  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 7:41:09pm

re: #196 Mich-again

I think the American taxpayers have a potential class action lawsuit against Congress for malpractice.

that's pretty revolutionary

205 brookly red  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 7:41:12pm

re: #200 quickjustice

I'm hoping the voters throw the rascals out at the next opportunity. But you're flattering them. Only professionals can commit malpractice. Everyone else is merely reckless or negligent.

or corupt...

206 Infidel  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 7:41:20pm

For the most part, the gun guy in the second video made perfect sense. The bit about the Progressives' war on the Constitution is right on the mark. The Federal Reserve was largely responsible for the Great Depression and it has also been instrumental in our present mess. Regardless of what sub-paragraph 3 on page 856 of the Healthcare bill says, further government control means an increase in demand without a corresponding increase in supply. And that can have only one result.

207 calcajun  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 7:41:46pm

re: #186 NelsFree

ARgh, come on, let yer kids play in the back yard-arm!
/R

No-- I am too busy fashioning another plank for our political platform.

208 newsread5  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 7:41:46pm

Not defending his "stupid" actions but he really did hold up well against the tingly Mathews.

209 quickjustice  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 7:41:46pm

re: #198 Cato the Elder

Do you actually know anything about health care policy? Or are you merely siding with the Administration because it's the Administration?

210 Charles Johnson  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 7:42:04pm

re: #203 Walter L. Newton

No responsible gun owner will defend what this person did, I promise you.

211 Spare O'Lake  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 7:42:05pm

re: #193 Red Lion

What was that crazoid doing on television? As Matthews pointed out, his presence with a gun and a sign constituted a threat against the president's life. He should have been clapped in leg irons and thrown in a dungeon ...

Why wasn't he (and everyone else) stopped, searched and disarmed at the door/entrance?

212 NelsFree  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 7:42:08pm

Dear Cato,

You posted some critical comments earlier about Sarah Palin. Tonight I see a derogatory limerick about Ann Coulter. You seem to have a 'thing' about attractive Conservative women. So, what's your 'thing'?

Love and hugs,
NelsFree

213 Cato the Elder  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 7:42:12pm

I wish Arlen had the stones to tell Mr. Reasonable that illegal aliens are not the problem with health care.

214 Mr. Sandman  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 7:42:53pm

re: #163 Walter L. Newton

I'm support our laws and our law keepers. The police and all the other law enforcement officials, evidently the secret service, and generally all involved, acted with in the law, the constitution, and nothing happened.

And the jerk, well, he was with in his rights too.

I'm supporting our country, good job.

What would you say if a few dozen of these nuts showed up with loaded guns at these events, perhaps arguably technically within the absurd laws of the state, but likely beyond the capacity for police to safely manage? This guy is no doubt going to be a major inspiration for others to bring their guns; let's hope this doesn't end up causing a horrible event.

215 Cato the Elder  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 7:43:13pm

re: #212 NelsFree

Dear Cato,

You posted some critical comments earlier about Sarah Palin. Tonight I see a derogatory limerick about Ann Coulter. You seem to have a 'thing' about attractive Conservative women. So, what's your 'thing'?

Love and hugs,
NelsFree

You're the next subject. Enjoy.

216 brookly red  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 7:43:37pm

re: #213 Cato the Elder

I wish Arlen had the stones to tell Mr. Reasonable that illegal aliens are not the problem with health care.

/well they don't help much either...

217 Pianobuff  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 7:43:56pm

Does anybody know if AARP is now officially endorsing the bill, as Obama suggested in the town hall today?

218 Mich-again  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 7:44:03pm

re: #212 NelsFree

Maybe he's really Helen Thomas.

219 Gella  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 7:44:14pm

re: #201 calcajun

Buddy, there are a number of "don't"s in life. Among them are:

Don't wear a speedo to church
Don't wear white after Labor Bay.
Don't bring bacon-wrapped sausage balls to an Orthodox bar mitzvah
Don't mix plaids and stripes.
Don't eat chicken unless it's cooked to 185 degrees
Don't get involved in a land war in Asia
Don't go up against a Sicilian when death is on the line
and Do Not bring a fire arm--anything that looks like a gun--to an event where the POTUS is speaking (not unless you want to be gang tackled by Secret Services types)

These are things you just don't do.

correction on one, you can actually wear white after Labor day

220 BignJames  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 7:44:20pm

re: #201 calcajun

Don't fry bacon in the nude.

221 albusteve  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 7:44:27pm

re: #201 calcajun

Buddy, there are a number of "don't"s in life. Among them are:

Don't wear a speedo to church
Don't wear white after Labor Bay.
Don't bring bacon-wrapped sausage balls to an Orthodox bar mitzvah
Don't mix plaids and stripes.
Don't eat chicken unless it's cooked to 185 degrees
Don't get involved in a land war in Asia
Don't go up against a Sicilian when death is on the line
and Do Not bring a fire arm--anything that looks like a gun--to an event where the POTUS is speaking (not unless you want to be gang tackled by Secret Services types)

These are things you just don't do.

well he did...so is he an extremist killer Paulian bot?...did he shoot up a bunch of people?, did he say he intended to?...people are stupid, they got BO in office...it does not mean they have malice in their heart

222 Spare O'Lake  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 7:44:41pm

re: #208 newsread5

Not defending his "stupid" actions but he really did hold up well against the tingly Mathews.

Yup, he kicked Matthews' ass.
Which just goes to show what a shithead Matthews is.

223 calcajun  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 7:44:43pm

re: #203 Walter L. Newton

You think that's scary. An author I liked, Joseph Ellis wrote a piece saying to effect that the time is coming to do away with the Jeffersonian ideal of small less-intrusive government because our society is too complex--more than the founding generation could have imagined.

Ellis sells out?

224 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 7:44:45pm

re: #210 Charles

No responsible gun owner will defend what this person did, I promise you.

And did I defend what he did? No, of course not.

225 Wendya  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 7:44:48pm

re: #188 jaunte

I'm pretty sure he is, and remains, a complete idiot. And his politics and intention are probably represented by this Ron Paul forum comment jorline linked earlier up at 136:

Talk of armed insurrection is asinine. Our system still works. We still have free elections, right on schedule. Our government, however imperfect it might be at times, still places limits on government. There is no action they can take that can't be corrected or modified. Let your politicians know you are not happy, hold them accountable for what they say and then act on it at the ballot box

226 Mr. Sandman  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 7:44:53pm

re: #97 Wendya

I agree. When people are ignored, marginalized and called liars, BAD things happen.

Is that a threat or a promise? I think you are inverting cause and effect. If one of these freaks ends up shooting someone, are you going to blame Obama and tacitly defend the shooter?

227 Ojoe  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 7:45:04pm

re: #210 Charles

Yes he was a moron, signed, Ojoe, who does have one of those politically incorrect items.

228 Charles Johnson  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 7:45:17pm

There really is going to be a limit to how much support for extremism I allow to be posted at LGF, by the way.

229 doppelganglander  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 7:45:24pm

re: #213 Cato the Elder

I wish Arlen had the stones to tell Mr. Reasonable that illegal aliens are not the problem with health care.

The people who used to work at the hospitals in the Southwest that were forced to close because they couldn't afford to provide free care to illegal aliens and their offspring would beg to differ with you.

230 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 7:45:26pm

re: #214 Mr. Sandman

What would you say if a few dozen of these nuts showed up with loaded guns at these events, perhaps arguably technically within the absurd laws of the state, but likely beyond the capacity for police to safely manage? This guy is no doubt going to be a major inspiration for others to bring their guns; let's hope this doesn't end up causing a horrible event.

Well, we will have to see, won't we. Freedom sucks huh?

231 Charles Johnson  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 7:46:30pm

re: #224 Walter L. Newton

And did I defend what he did? No, of course not.

Yes, you are defending him.

You see, this guy was 100 percent with in his rights, and it is evident that he very carefully used every right that was afforded to him to make his point.

He wasn't stupid, he knew what he was doing. Do I suggest that this should be the modus operandi for anyone that wants to make points? No I don't. If anything, it's disruptive, dangerous, stretches resources and it is too close for comfort when the president is involved.

But still, he was with in his constitutional right, the laws of New Hampshire, of the town, and of the people who put these laws in place.

Don't blow smoke up my ass.

232 Ojoe  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 7:46:37pm

re: #228 Charles

Good.

233 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 7:46:42pm

re: #228 Charles

There really is going to be a limit to how much support for extremism I allow to be posted at LGF, by the way.

Charles, I don't support what he did, I said that above a number of times.

234 Cato the Elder  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 7:46:48pm

Yep. We're turning into Russia. And jackbooted ACORN commando cadres lead the way!

235 Sharmuta  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 7:46:55pm

Some very angry down dingers...

236 calcajun  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 7:47:09pm

re: #219 Gella

Oh, all right. Winter white--in certain circumstances. But no seersucker.

237 Wendya  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 7:47:30pm

re: #206 Infidel

And that can have only one result.


Rationing.

238 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 7:47:54pm

re: #231 Charles

Don't blow smoke up my ass.

I'll take you advice and stay out of this conversation. Sorry.

239 Coracle  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 7:48:23pm

re: #237 Wendya

Rationing.

Gun rationing? How many do I get?

240 NelsFree  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 7:48:51pm

re: #215 Cato the Elder

You're the next subject. Enjoy.

So, you ONCE AGAIN did not answer the question.
/The pattern continues...
//[GAZE on standby]

241 Wendya  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 7:49:10pm

re: #226 Mr. Sandman

Is that a threat or a promise? I think you are inverting cause and effect. If one of these freaks ends up shooting someone, are you going to blame Obama and tacitly defend the shooter?

Good, grief! Where in the hell did you get that?

I am not advocating violence, I am pointing out a historical fact.

Some of you need to stop reading your secret feelings into what I have or have not said.

242 MandyManners  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 7:49:19pm

You be well within your rights but still be stupid.

243 avanti  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 7:49:24pm

re: #203 Walter L. Newton

I've always noticed how the constitution sucks to progressives. Millions of people in this country elect politicians, judges, law makers, the whole ball of wax, and then these public officials come along and make law, and most of the time the laws are formed with the will of the people behind them.

You see, this guy was 100 percent with in his rights, and it is evident that he very carefully used every right that was afforded to him to make his point.

He wasn't stupid, he knew what he was doing. Do I suggest that this should be the modus operandi for anyone that wants to make points? No I don't. If anything, it's disruptive, dangerous, stretches resources and it is too close for comfort when the president is involved.

But still, he was with in his constitutional right, the laws of New Hampshire, of the town, and of the people who put these laws in place.

But progressives, they know nothing about what is really behind this mans craziness, they just "feel" that this is wrong, so that makes it wrong in their mind. Progressives will attempt to ignore anything, the will of the people, the laws, most anything if their feelings are hurt. It's almost a fear, a fear of the truth, fear that they are not the only ones who count, a fear of narrow vision.

Too bad.

I feel the same way about the gun toter near the President, as I would seeing someone burn the flag at a vets funeral. Both are within their constitutional rights, both are making a point, and the point is "I'm a dumb ass" I'm not impressed.

244 MandyManners  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 7:49:41pm

CAN

245 Mich-again  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 7:50:01pm

re: #225 Wendya

Let your politicians know you are not happy, hold them accountable for what they say and then act on it at the ballot box

Yup.

246 jaunte  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 7:50:12pm

I don't see how people who complained about intimidation when a Black Panther showed up with a billy club for political theater at a polling place can support someone who's carrying a gun for political theater near a Presidential appearance.

247 karmic_inquisitor  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 7:50:41pm

re: #197 NelsFree

Please provide example(s) of White Nationalism present at the Town Hall meetings in protest of Health Care Reform. It is my opinion that any "Ron Paul thing with the Jooos" is irrelevant; I question why you brought that up.
/Perhaps you forgot your /sarc tag???


Easy.

The nut who brought the gun has a page on MySpace.

Hero? Randy Weaver.

248 calcajun  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 7:51:16pm

re: #238 Walter L. Newton

WLN,

If I may, this is a circumstance where someone was "technically" correct in what they were saying, but completely wrong on how they were saying it. No matter how valid this guys point might have been, he undermined his position in the manner in which he made the point.

249 Killgore Trout  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 7:51:20pm

I think a lot of people are missing the reality of the situation. This guy fits the "right wing extremist" label. The DHS memo was written because people like him. This is the kind of person who's going to attempt to assassinate the President or go on a politically inspired killing spree.
When/if he does, he's going to be linked to the Tea Parties and the Republicans. You can point at ACORN or claim that he's an undercover leftist but people are only going to laugh at you. This is a very serious and potentially deadly problem with very serious political repercussions. The price for failing to alienate these people will be paid. That's a fact.

250 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 7:51:51pm

re: #230 Walter L. Newton

Well, we will have to see, won't we. Freedom sucks huh?

Walter, don't talk that. Charles is seriously against it and you're getting close to inciting a dangerous situation. As someone who likes you and wants you here, i advise you to take a break for an hour and simmer down. This is not a hill you want your account to die on.

251 calcajun  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 7:52:02pm

re: #242 MandyManners

You be well within your rights but still be stupid.

Go figure-- you said it better than I did.

252 Spare O'Lake  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 7:52:53pm

re: #213 Cato the Elder

I wish Arlen had the stones to tell Mr. Reasonable that illegal aliens are not the problem with health care.

How much do they cost in free/subsidized care and how many medical resources do they consume?
I doubt it's chickenfeed.

253 Noam Sayin'  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 7:54:26pm

Slightly OT. I took my S&W 686 .357 to the range this weekend. My gosh, I haven't shot one indoors before. It is so loud - and the muzzle flash... wow!

Actually, I took all my handguns. I got a pass for two and a rental for buying the S&W. Rented a HK P30 to add to the PPK and the Taurus 9mm. The P30 is a nice, well-balanced weapon.

254 Cato the Elder  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 7:54:40pm

Well, there's 13:06 I'll never get back.

At least it gave my bottle of vinho verde time to chill in the freezer.

Back in a jiff, gladiator fans.

255 Wendya  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 7:54:47pm

re: #246 jaunte

I don't see how people who complained about intimidation when a Black Panther showed up with a billy club for political theater at a polling place can support someone who's carrying a gun for political theater near a Presidential appearance.

I would not have done it. I have a little more respect for the job the USSS and local law enforcement are tasked with than I have for my "right" to make a statement. When I and others point out what he did was legal, we are being accused of thinking it's cool to strap on a .45 and greet the President with a sign quoting Jefferson on the Tree of Liberty. I will defend legal rights but I'm not defending stupidity. I know some people aren't able to undestand what that means.

256 Mauser  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 7:54:48pm

I like this guy's philosophy.

257 calcajun  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 7:56:08pm

re: #253 Noam Sayin'

Nice. Picking up another Mosin this weekend. need to clean it well before taking it to the range. Thought about getting a scope, but would have to get a new bolt assembly.

258 NelsFree  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 7:56:10pm

re: #237 Wendya

Rationing.


Rationing during World War 2:

[Link: www.ameshistoricalsociety.org...]

Gasoline was rationed:
"The green 'B' sticker was for driving deemed essential to the war effort; industrial war workers, for example, could purchase eight gallons a week. Red 'C' stickers indicated physicians, ministers, mail carriers and railroad workers. 'T' was for truckers, and the rare 'X' sticker went to members of Congress and other VIPs. Truckers supplying the population with supplies had a T sticker for unlimited amounts of fuel."

/The more things change, the more they remain the same.

260 spidly  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 7:57:12pm

re: #38 Charles

It takes a special kind of stupid to show up at a meeting with the President of the US carrying a loaded handgun, then try to pretend there's nothing odd about it.

I couldn't have carried a gun to David Wu's town hall at a police dept, but at the library I could. When Bill Clinton was at PSU I was packing... just annoyed I had to trek halfway down the park blocks to get to the other side of campus. I don't really even think about it most of the time; if I'm not armed I notice, like getting across town and realizing you dont have on your watch or left the cell.
I suppose it may be different in the states where the guns have not been tamed and they still jump up and attack without warning.

261 Wendya  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 7:57:15pm

re: #249 Killgore Trout

The price for failing to alienate these people will be paid. That's a fact.


You keep harping on this. Can you tell us exactly how we can prevent these people from voting (R) and attending "conservative" events? Unless it's on private property, it's damned near impossible to get rid of kooks as the left and right have seen.

262 Mauser  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 7:57:34pm

re: #239 Coracle

Gun rationing? How many do I get?

One gun a month, for a Family of Four...

Depending on how the Administration redefines Family.

263 wee fury  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 7:58:00pm

re: #256 Mauser

I like this guy's philosophy.


[Video]

I like this guy's philosophy better.

264 Noam Sayin'  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 7:58:42pm

re: #257 calcajun

What are they getting for them where you're at? A place in Minneapolis had a box of old ones for less than $200 apiece recently.

265 ladycatnip  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 7:58:53pm

#236 calcajun

Oh, all right. Winter white--in certain circumstances. But no seersucker.

Is that still around?

266 Mich-again  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 7:59:05pm

re: #258 NelsFree

Truckers supplying the population with supplies had a T sticker for unlimited amounts of fuel."

Gramps had one of them stickers on his truck.

267 brookly red  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 7:59:15pm

re: #259 Pianobuff

Little girl at Obama town hall has not-so-random political connections

/when in doubt hide behind children...

268 Mauser  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 7:59:58pm

re: #260 spidly

I don't really even think about it most of the time; if I'm not armed I notice, like getting across town and realizing you don't have on your watch or left the cell.

I'm exactly the same way. It's only notable in its absence.

269 Flyovercountry  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 8:00:11pm

re: #249 Killgore Trout

I think a lot of people are missing the reality of the situation. This guy fits the "right wing extremist" label. The DHS memo was written because people like him. This is the kind of person who's going to attempt to assassinate the President or go on a politically inspired killing spree.
When/if he does, he's going to be linked to the Tea Parties and the Republicans. You can point at ACORN or claim that he's an undercover leftist but people are only going to laugh at you. This is a very serious and potentially deadly problem with very serious political repercussions. The price for failing to alienate these people will be paid. That's a fact.

You nailed this on the head. The only good thing is that the Secret Service has his name and address, and by now his known associates written in their little files forever. This clown, by the way was not even close to being within his rights. By carrying that firearm to where he did, he caused the people who protect the POTUS to reasonably suspect him of threatening the President. That in itself is a serious matter. Try going into an airport and saying the word bomb. this is a similar circumstance, but a hundred times worse. For the rest of his life, he will be incarcerated any time a person with protection visits his neck of the woods. Have fun moron, you've earned it.

270 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 8:00:19pm

And Fox, after doing its level best to fan the flames of hysteria now basks in the spectacle.

How repugnant. Nothing like decaying the foundations of the Republic for ratings.

Why is a guy who brought a firearm anywhere near an event hosted by any elected official not in jail?

And BTW the contention that the left was just as bad during the Bush years is hogwash. Utter hogwash. However annoying or ridiculous they were, it was nothing like this zoo.

271 The Shadow Do  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 8:00:45pm

a. Arlen Specter is past his expiration date but will not let go.
Politicians are just like ticks. Once burrowed in they are almost impossible to remove. A hot poker in the ass works on wood ticks, makes them back out, not that I am advocating branding Mr. Spedcters old white butt or anyting like that, just sayin'

b. The creeep with the pistol should be tailed from now forward until he spits on the sidewalk, then give him life...
/non-sarc, this was an out and out threat. I believe felony menacing is a possible charge.

272 calcajun  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 8:01:09pm

re: #262 Mauser

One gun a month, for a Family of Four...

Depending on how the Administration redefines Family.

Corleone? Gambino? Geneovese?

273 victor_yugo  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 8:01:09pm

re: #246 jaunte

I don't see how people who complained about intimidation when a Black Panther showed up with a billy club for political theater at a polling place can support someone who's carrying a gun for political theater near a Presidential appearance.

If 1% of the voters in Philly had brought their guns, the Black Panthers would have hidden their clubs, and themselves.

The Second Amendment is about defending the civil rights of the law-abiding citizenry ("the security of a free state"). It's a safe bet that's not what the Black Panthers were about on Election Day.

274 Killgore Trout  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 8:02:00pm

re: #261 Wendya

You keep harping on this. Can you tell us exactly how we can prevent these people from voting (R) and attending "conservative" events?


I wouldn't be caught dead within 100 yards of an armed dickhead at a Presidential appearance waving a reference to shedding the blood of tyrants. Take responsibility for yourself and people you associate with. His fellow protesters were completely unfazed by his presence. That's the problem.
He should have been told to go home. At the very least he should have been standing alone.

275 calcajun  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 8:02:02pm

re: #265 ladycatnip

#236 calcajun

Is that still around?

Yep-- there are still suckers who buy'em at Sears.

276 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 8:02:06pm

re: #132 yochanan

can i have my 30 secs back?

Ha! They were yours to spend, Lizard, not mine. I didn't hold a gun to your head, I didn't force you to watch it. So, no, you can't have your 30 seconds back.

277 Cato the Elder  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 8:02:09pm

re: #240 NelsFree

So, you ONCE AGAIN did not answer the question.
/The pattern continues...
//[GAZE on standby]

A lizard who went by NelsFree
Was as dense as a blogger can be.
He asked why I pillory
Pundit girls right of Hillary.
It's because there's so many. You see?

278 jaunte  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 8:02:25pm

re: #273 victor_yugo

I think they were doing some street theater, and so was he.

279 ladycatnip  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 8:02:46pm

#271 The Shadow Do

Had to upding you for that - first belly laugh of the day!

280 tedzilla99  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 8:03:28pm

re: #203 Walter L. Newton

I've always noticed how the constitution sucks to progressives. Millions of people in this country elect politicians, judges, law makers, the whole ball of wax, and then these public officials come along and make law, and most of the time the laws are formed with the will of the people behind them.

You see, this guy was 100 percent with in his rights, and it is evident that he very carefully used every right that was afforded to him to make his point.

He wasn't stupid, he knew what he was doing. Do I suggest that this should be the modus operandi for anyone that wants to make points? No I don't. If anything, it's disruptive, dangerous, stretches resources and it is too close for comfort when the president is involved.

But still, he was with in his constitutional right, the laws of New Hampshire, of the town, and of the people who put these laws in place.

But progressives, they know nothing about what is really behind this mans craziness, they just "feel" that this is wrong, so that makes it wrong in their mind. Progressives will attempt to ignore anything, the will of the people, the laws, most anything if their feelings are hurt. It's almost a fear, a fear of the truth, fear that they are not the only ones who count, a fear of narrow vision.

Too bad.

Freedom and individual rights are kryptonite to progressives, leftists, liberals, whatever. When they preach "freedom of choice", it's only for the choices that they make for you. When they preach "freedom of speech", it's only for speech that they agree with.

Walter, your post quoted above is absolutely brilliant and it should be updinged until the end of the internets.

281 The Shadow Do  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 8:03:29pm

re: #274 Killgore Trout

I wouldn't be caught dead within 100 yards of an armed dickhead at a Presidential appearance waving a reference to shedding the blood of tyrants. Take responsibility for yourself and people you associate with. His fellow protesters were completely unfazed by his presence. That's the problem.
He should have been told to go home. At the very least he should have been standing alone.

He should have been arrested.

282 Spare O'Lake  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 8:03:42pm

re: #228 Charles

There really is going to be a limit to how much support for extremism I allow to be posted at LGF, by the way.

Pardon my ignorance, but as a Canadian, I am amazed that there seems to be a concensus that a US citizen without security clearance has the right to be armed withn range and in the presence of the President.
Is this really the law of the land?
If so, how can it be called extremism?
If not, how can the secret service expose the POTUS to this risk?
I just don't get it - it seems almost schizoid.

283 Charles Johnson  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 8:04:29pm

re: #280 tedzilla99

Piss off. I'm finished indulging people who make excuses for the kind of behavior you see above.

284 Wendya  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 8:04:34pm

re: #259 Pianobuff

Little girl at Obama town hall has not-so-random political connections

Why on earth would anyone call on a child during a town hall discussing health care? Children generally echo their parents political ideology. They repeat what they've heard at home or even at school.

285 Sharmuta  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 8:05:16pm

The intellectual dishonesty and hypocrisy are stunning.

286 Maui Girl  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 8:05:21pm

Matthews is an ass. HOw many times does the guy he's interviewing need to say He doesn't have an issue with the prez's legitimacy.

287 NelsFree  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 8:05:27pm

re: #277 Cato the Elder

A lizard who went by NelsFree
Was as dense as a blogger can be.
He asked why I pillory
Pundit girls right of Hillary.
It's because there's so many. You see?

Ad hominem attack instead of factual reply.
GAZE

288 Pianobuff  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 8:05:49pm

re: #284 Wendya

Why on earth would anyone call on a child during a town hall discussing health care? Children generally echo their parents political ideology. They repeat what they've heard at home or even at school.

Well in this case, I think you answered your own question. ;-)

289 Mr. Sandman  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 8:05:52pm

re: #241 Wendya

Good, grief! Where in the hell did you get that?

I am not advocating violence, I am pointing out a historical fact.

Some of you need to stop reading your secret feelings into what I have or have not said.

O.K., so you're saying it's a promise then. I count your comments in relation to this as a passive-aggressive defense of extremists, as you are trying to victimize them.

290 Killgore Trout  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 8:06:07pm

re: #281 The Shadow Do

He should have been arrested.

Maybe. However, the political fallout of Tea Party/FOX news claims of arresting "innocent" opponents of Obama's healthcare plan might have been a problem. Civil unrest is becoming a consideration. Imagine if an armed Muslim with the same sign showed up at a Bush appearance. The outcome would have been very different.

291 calcajun  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 8:06:16pm

re: #274 Killgore Trout

Agreed.

The issue someone brought , and this needs to be brought out, is this is not someone who, as I understand it, either a concealed carry or an open carry permit.

Now, if in NH, they have open carry, then this guy was right AND wrong. Right to excerise his right to carry. Wrong to do it at that event. It was a direct challenge to authority to do what he did. That sort of stupid provacation was uncalled for.

292 victor_yugo  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 8:06:17pm

re: #278 jaunte

I think they were doing some street theater, and so was he.

I won't speak to the idiot with Chris "Tingle up my Leg" Matthews. I'm only talking about the Black Panthers (who may yet get theirs, when it's found the investigations were improperly suspended).

293 doppelganglander  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 8:06:29pm

re: #259 Pianobuff

Little girl at Obama town hall has not-so-random political connections

Just as I suspected. It will take a day or two, but the rest of the plants will soon be outed.

294 tradewind  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 8:06:37pm

Flying Pig Alert...
Daily Show's Jon Stewart actually just went through a mocking montage of Democrats attempting to explain the health care legislation.
But for the fact that they're going to push something through anyway, the spot would be hilarious.

295 yochanan  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 8:07:01pm

re: #276 Slumbering Behemoth

oh well i tried.

296 calcajun  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 8:07:35pm

Going home now--nite.

297 victor_yugo  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 8:07:44pm

re: #287 NelsFree

Ad hominem attack instead of factual reply.
GAZE

First you accuse him of improper silence, then you accuse him of improper comment.

Damned if you do...

298 Neutral President  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 8:07:49pm

re: #225 Wendya

Talk of armed insurrection is asinine. Our system still works. We still have free elections, right on schedule. Our government, however imperfect it might be at times, still places limits on government. There is no action they can take that can't be corrected or modified. Let your politicians know you are not happy, hold them accountable for what they say and then act on it at the ballot box

Every time some joker talks about revolution or secession, this needs to be screamed at them. There is no room for civil disobedience and armed insurrection if you can still speak without getting arrested and can still vote.

299 Infidel  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 8:08:23pm

"Why is a guy who brought a firearm anywhere near an event hosted by any elected official not in jail?"

Because, before someone can be sent to jail they must first break the law. Engaging in questionable behavior to make a political point is not illegal.

300 Cato the Elder  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 8:08:46pm

OK, now the Matthews segment.

Idiot: "That's for Orly Taitz to decide."

301 JPL17  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 8:08:55pm

re: #9 itellu3times

Something tells me it's all happening at the zoo.

re: #17 BignJames

I do believe it. I do believe it's true.

re: #19 karmic_inquisitor

I do beleive it.

re: #25 karmic_inquisitor

GSGFTA

(Great Simon & Garfunkle Fans Think Alike)

Let's not forget the other great, immortal line from that S&G song, i.e., "Orangutangs are skeptical of changes in their cages." (Which, come to think of it, explains a lot about this whole health care debate.)

302 doppelganglander  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 8:09:40pm

re: #274 Killgore Trout

I wouldn't be caught dead within 100 yards of an armed dickhead at a Presidential appearance waving a reference to shedding the blood of tyrants. Take responsibility for yourself and people you associate with. His fellow protesters were completely unfazed by his presence. That's the problem.
He should have been told to go home. At the very least he should have been standing alone.

You didn't answer her question.

303 tradewind  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 8:09:43pm

re: #203 Walter L. Newton
Well, you're absolutely right, Walter, and as the only person who could actually save this health care plan has warned us...
[Link: www.kiefer-rocks.com...]

304 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 8:09:59pm

Hey Lizards! It still hot in Near Iowa.

Speaking of Zoos. . . . "Aw, Mooom!"

I'll be in and out all night. So, if you ask a question and I don't answer right away, don't feel slighted. I'll get back soon enough.

How are you-all and what are we talking about?

305 Neutral President  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 8:10:05pm

re: #299 Infidel

Engaging in questionable behavior to make a political point is not illegal.

No it's not but that stop it from being a bad idea, wrong, or just flat out stupid. A lot of asinine shit is legal.

306 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 8:10:10pm

re: #283 Charles

Piss off. I'm finished indulging people who make excuses for the kind of behavior you see above.

Our first Paulian meltdown of the evening. I'll go put on the charcoal. Grilled Ted will be ready in 40 minutes.

307 brookly red  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 8:10:28pm

re: #293 doppelganglander

Just as I suspected. It will take a day or two, but the rest of the plants will soon be outed.

you had to know they would bring out the children sooner or later, but I didn't think it would be so early.

308 jaunte  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 8:10:47pm

re: #292 victor_yugo

I won't speak to the idiot with Chris "Tingle up my Leg" Matthews. I'm only talking about the Black Panthers (who may yet get theirs, when it's found the investigations were improperly suspended).

In their case, there is a law that covers their behavior. In gneral, I think it's a bad idea to try to intimidate your domestic political opponents; it just leads to escalation.

309 avanti  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 8:10:49pm

re: #281 The Shadow Do

He should have been arrested.

OK, maybe not arrested, but taken aside and briefed on the reality of the security situation. Perhaps arrest is what he was looking for.

310 Neutral President  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 8:10:50pm

re: #305 ArchangelMichael

that does not stop it

PIMF

311 Mr. Sandman  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 8:11:09pm

re: #230 Walter L. Newton

Well, we will have to see, won't we. Freedom sucks huh?

So would a violent deadly event constitute in your view a vindication of "freedom?" If not, then why are you so eager to defend those engaging in such extreme irresponsible acts that could lead to such an event?

312 Cato the Elder  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 8:11:50pm

re: #299 Infidel

"Why is a guy who brought a firearm anywhere near an event hosted by any elected official not in jail?"

Because, before someone can be sent to jail they must first break the law. Engaging in questionable behavior to make a political point is not illegal.

I agree. Surprised?

What he really ought to do is get laid and stop confusing his piece with his pud.

313 Sharmuta  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 8:11:51pm

re: #308 jaunte

In their case, there is a law that covers their behavior. In gneral, I think it's a bad idea to try to intimidate your domestic political opponents; it just leads to escalation.

If I didn't know any better, I'd think there were people who might welcome escalation.

314 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 8:11:53pm

Really. Never expected to post a Marilyn Manson video...

Seems kind of appropriate.

We're all stars
In the Dope Show.

315 3 wood  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 8:12:13pm

I've been reading HR 3200 as much as possible. I'm not quite ready yet to put together a final take on it, but I am starting to get concerned about how Medicare is being changed in the proposed legislation.

I want to read it through again to make sure I'm putting it together correctly, but right now it seems to me that reimbursements under Medicare are going to be limited/cut significantly and I suspect that this is where the Democrats are trying to find some money to pay for the expansion of health care benefits to those now uninsured.

It may take me another day or two to finish reading this monstrosity through and put it all together. I'm stopping about every 2 or 3 pages and writing notes, and that takes a longtime to do.

I also see where there is this Health Insurance Exchange where private insurance is supposed to "compete" with the public option. But how does a private entity "compete" against an entity that can use the public check book to eat it's losses?


Oh and there is a provision providing for the auditing at will of the private plans by the government...and the private plan has to reimburse the government for the cost.

316 Wendya  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 8:12:22pm

re: #274 Killgore Trout


He should have been told to go home. At the very least he should have been standing alone.

For the sake of argument, what do you do when a kook is asked to leave and refuses? Do you call off your event and go home?

317 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 8:12:37pm

re: #299 Infidel

"Why is a guy who brought a firearm anywhere near an event hosted by any elected official not in jail?"

Because, before someone can be sent to jail they must first break the law. Engaging in questionable behavior to make a political point is not illegal.

Infidel, cool it. Walter was smart enough to know when he was pushing it and backed off. You need to do the same. Charles is not going to put up with excusing this nut's actions.

318 Macker  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 8:12:46pm
319 Charles Johnson  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 8:13:36pm

re: #316 Wendya

For the sake of argument, what do you do when a kook is asked to leave and refuses? Do you call off your event and go home?

You tell the kook to get the hell away from you, and if he doesn't you call the police and have him arrested for disorderly conduct.

320 jaunte  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 8:13:46pm

re: #313 Sharmuta

If I didn't know any better, I'd think there were people who might welcome escalation.


If they think that will work out fine, it shows they just can't imagine how bad things can get.

321 The Shadow Do  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 8:13:56pm

re: #286 Maui Girl

Matthews is an ass. HOw many times does the guy he's interviewing need to say He doesn't have an issue with the prez's legitimacy.

He may be an ass, but he made a legitimate point or three with this nut ball.

Good grief, I just defended Chris Mathews. Getting chilly in Hell I hear.

322 calcajun  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 8:14:04pm

Actually, what are NH's laws on firearms? Is it open carry or permitted concealed carry? If neither, then this guy probably broke a few laws--including a veiled threat against the POTUS.

Dumb.

323 tradewind  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 8:14:27pm

/Okay, so nuance doesn't constitute a sarc tag/

324 yesandno  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 8:14:32pm

Haven't seen Chris in a long time...love the comb over.

325 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 8:14:45pm

re: #315 3 wood


I also see where there is this Health Insurance Exchange where private insurance is supposed to "compete" with the public option. But how does a private entity "compete" against an entity that can use the public check book to eat it's losses?

Oh and there is a provision providing for the auditing at will of the private plans by the government...and the private plan has to reimburse the government for the cost.

Obama intends to kill private health care via a thousand cuts. He figures that the death will be be less noticeable that way.

326 karmic_inquisitor  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 8:14:46pm

Any lawyers on line?

Found an appeal of a conviction of William A. Kostrick.

Cocaine distribution in 1989.

[Link: cases.justia.com...]

Same guy?

327 jaunte  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 8:15:02pm

re: #321 The Shadow Do

Good grief, I just defended Chris Mathews. Getting chilly in Hell I hear.


Weird times.

328 Coracle  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 8:15:06pm

re: #280 tedzilla99

Freedom and individual rights are kryptonite to progressives, leftists, liberals, whatever the ideological group I oppose. When they preach "freedom of choice", it's only for the choices that they make for you. When they preach "freedom of speech", it's only for speech that they agree with.

FIFY

329 The Shadow Do  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 8:15:17pm

re: #290 Killgore Trout

Maybe. However, the political fallout of Tea Party/FOX news claims of arresting "innocent" opponents of Obama's healthcare plan might have been a problem. Civil unrest is becoming a consideration. Imagine if an armed Muslim with the same sign showed up at a Bush appearance. The outcome would have been very different.

Sad cynical but I suspect true.

330 calcajun  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 8:15:18pm

re: #321 The Shadow Do

I don't know about that, but some pre-bacon just flew by my window.

331 Sharmuta  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 8:15:20pm

re: #320 jaunte

If they think that will work out fine, it shows they just can't imagine how bad things can get.

I wonder how many have taken the time to follow their trains of thought to their logical conclusions.

332 Cato the Elder  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 8:15:30pm

"I do know history. Mine. No girl would look at me twice after I mentioned the faked moon landing. This seemed like a good way to meet chicks."

And you know what? His phone is ringing off the hook (gawd, if that doesn't date me!) with Stormfront sluts offering to father his spawn.

333 NelsFree  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 8:15:34pm

Well, I must retire. Thank you all for, once again, an interesting blogversation. My Three Affectations:
Charles: thank you for frankness and courtesy in precarious balance
Mich-again: Date night with Gramps' truck!
Cato: *Whack!* What are you hiding?!
G'nite all.

334 victor_yugo  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 8:15:37pm

re: #298 ArchangelMichael

Every time some joker talks about revolution or secession, this needs to be screamed at them. There is no room for civil disobedience and armed insurrection if you can still speak without getting arrested and can still vote.

Uh, Black Panthers anyone?

Oh, and one of our own Monitor Lizards witnessed how much illegal polling activity by ACORN?

If any election in our living memory counts as "stolen," this is it.

335 Infidel  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 8:15:59pm

Re: 305,

Exactly, that's why he's not in jail. And again, he had valid points in the discussion. I'm not a "Paulian;" but, when someone makes an accurate statement on our rapidly declining liberty, he's right regardless of who he voted for.

336 Mauser  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 8:16:02pm

re: #298 ArchangelMichael

Every time some joker talks about revolution or secession, this needs to be screamed at them. There is no room for civil disobedience and armed insurrection if you can still speak without getting arrested and can still vote.

Exactly. There's some list of "Boxes", Soapbox, Ballot Box, Jury Box, ... ending with Cartridge Box.

Those who talk about shooting politicians before all those other options have been exhausted are Jumping the Gun, so to speak...

Anyone running around wanting to be the first one to get a shot off in the "Coming Revolution" is more than likely to be one of the first casualties, and deservedly so.

337 rwmofo  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 8:16:04pm

The positive I took from this is Matthews expected to be shooting fish in a barrel. This gun-toter surprisingly reminded me of Al Sharpton for being a little smoother than Matthews thought he would be.

But, like, he carried a gun where?

338 The Shadow Do  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 8:16:52pm

re: #299 Infidel

"Why is a guy who brought a firearm anywhere near an event hosted by any elected official not in jail?"

Because, before someone can be sent to jail they must first break the law. Engaging in questionable behavior to make a political point is not illegal.

He should be in jail. Charge? Dangerously stupid.

339 karmic_inquisitor  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 8:17:18pm

re: #326 karmic_inquisitor

Any lawyers on line?

Found an appeal of a conviction of William A. Kostrick.

Cocaine distribution in 1989.

[Link: cases.justia.com...]

Same guy?


Scratch that - found his booking - was 42 at time of arrest in 89. Would be 62 now.

340 Sharmuta  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 8:17:19pm

"But"

/Drink!

341 Killgore Trout  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 8:17:24pm

re: #316 Wendya

For the sake of argument, what do you do when a kook is asked to leave and refuses? Do you call off your event and go home?


You go to the other side of the street. You move the protest around the block. The possibilities are endless. Take personal responsibility. You are not forced to associate with armed White Nationalists and I'm not required to solve your problems for you. Take responsibility for yourself or be lazy and stupid. I don't care. You'll suffer the consequences or reap the benefits of your own behaviour. I'm not going to do it for you and you shouldn't expect me to.

342 Mich-again  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 8:17:35pm

I'm sure some people came to the town hall meetings with the intent of asking a serious question.

But I'm guessing most the people who showed up just wanted to show their disgust with Congresscritter Fillintheblank and they hooted and hollered from the peanut gallery.

And then there are a minority of people who are bold/dumb enough to think the best thing to do is get in front of the mic and rant and rave and invoke the wrath of God upon said Congresscritter. Jeesh.

But, there are a select few genuinely dangerous lunatics who think the best thing to do is brandish a weapon, hold up a poster board with a threat on it, and hang out on Church property along a Presidential motorcade route.

That guy should have been approached, apprehended, and then whisked away. Sorry but its not your constitutional right to pretend to be Lee Harvey Asshole.

343 jorline  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 8:17:51pm

re: #201 calcajun

Buddy, there are a number of "don't"s in life. Among them are:

Don't wear a speedo to church
Don't wear white after Labor Bay.
Don't bring bacon-wrapped sausage balls to an Orthodox bar mitzvah
Don't mix plaids and stripes.
Don't eat chicken unless it's cooked to 185 degrees
Don't get involved in a land war in Asia
Don't go up against a Sicilian when death is on the line
and Do Not bring a fire arm--anything that looks like a gun--to an event where the POTUS is speaking (not unless you want to be gang tackled by Secret Services types)

These are things you just don't do.

Forgot these:
You don't tug on superman's cape
You don't spit into the wind
You don't pull the mask off that old lone ranger
And you don't mess around with jim

344 Spare O'Lake  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 8:18:45pm

re: #312 Cato the Elder

I agree. Surprised?

What he really ought to do is get laid and stop confusing his piece with his pud.

So it's legal for a person without security clearance to openly carry at a political event in range of the POTUS? Wow.
But if so, how could the Secret Service expose the President to the risk?
Were their hands tied too?
WTF!

345 tradewind  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 8:19:01pm

re: #338 The Shadow Do

So you want to throw the majority of Congress into the slammer?
It'd never work... California is letting the criminals out. There's no room...
///

346 Sharmuta  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 8:19:30pm

re: #342 Mich-again

Sorry but its not your constitutional right to pretend to be Lee Harvey Asshole.

Clearly, you're being paid by the insurance companies. ///

347 Silvergirl  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 8:19:40pm

re: #51 Sharmuta

It's emotional and irrational. The gentleman in red did a much better job convincing me of his position than the first guy or the lady going off like a paulbot.

I can't figure why this earns down dings. Do the downdingers not agree that staying calm and halfway polite is preferable?

348 victor_yugo  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 8:19:43pm

re: #322 calcajun

Actually, what are NH's laws on firearms? Is it open carry or permitted concealed carry? If neither, then this guy probably broke a few laws--including a veiled threat against the POTUS.

Dumb.

From Wikipedia:

New Hampshire does not require a license for Open Carry, but carry in a motor vehicle or otherwise concealed does require a license. Note that the NH license is issued for carry of a "pistol or revolver," and is not a license to carry "weapons" as exists in some other states. The NH license is issued by the local police dept at a cost of $10 for residents, and by the NH State Police at a cost of $100 for non-residents. Turn around time is generally 1 – 2 weeks, with 14 days being the maximum time allowed by law.

349 [deleted]  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 8:19:54pm
350 Charles Johnson  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 8:19:58pm

re: #335 Infidel

Re: 305,

Exactly, that's why he's not in jail. And again, he had valid points in the discussion. I'm not a "Paulian;" but, when someone makes an accurate statement on our rapidly declining liberty, he's right regardless of who he voted for.

He's a white nationalist and Ron Paul follower, who carried a loaded gun to a presidential appearance. He's not even in the same universe as "right."

351 Cato the Elder  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 8:20:18pm

Matthews: "Where did we go wrong?"

Idiot: "Um...freeing the n***rs?"

352 tradewind  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 8:20:22pm

re: #343 jorline

Anna Wintour has spoken... white after Labor Day is perfectly fine.
Especially with all the warming going on.
Just saying.

353 3 wood  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 8:20:31pm

re: #325 Dark_Falcon

Obama intends to kill private health care via a thousand cuts. He figures that the death will be be less noticeable that way.

Could be, but I'm really starting to worry about how Medicare ends up in all this. What are the truly elderly supposed to do if Medicare reimbursements are cut? I found a provision in there that cuts Medicare payments to hospitals for repeated readmissions. That concerns me.

My aunt went in and out of the hospital many times about 5 years before she passed away, then stabilized for a few years, and then suddenly died.

354 Neutral President  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 8:20:33pm

re: #334 victor_yugo

Uh, Black Panthers anyone?

Oh, and one of our own Monitor Lizards witnessed how much illegal polling activity by ACORN?

If any election in our living memory counts as "stolen," this is it.

Wow... just... wow. Is the sky blue on your planet too?

355 NY Nana  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 8:20:39pm

re: #282 Spare O'Lake

I am not a fan of guns. In the wrong hands? How many mad men have killed large numbers of people? If they were illegal? It would probably never happen. And people walking around with visible guns frighten the life out of me.

My 3 sons were not allowed even a water pistol when they were little. They solved that by using their wooden Playschool blocks. My daughter never even tried that. Now that they are adults, and 3 are parents? They are very pro gun control, and 1 son is a lawyer. My son in law and daughters in law all are, too.

How many schools, universities, work places, and last weeks' health club killings?

If a State does not have strict gun control laws, where each owner must pass all sorts of tests, including mental exams, they they should be held liable for any massacres. Way too many of them.

I will now duck under my computer table.

356 calcajun  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 8:20:50pm

Another interesting point to ponder.

The saying goes, "never let a good crisis go to waste". Now, there is a lot of fear and uncertainty in the public over this health care issue. One would think that the POTUS and his minions might try to do something to alleviate it. But, the impression is that they are pouring fuel on the fire. What are they hoping to gain by exploiting this tension? Of course, the hope is the GOP will spontaneously combust. But, there is the equal chance that the Dems will get burned as well.

Just wondering what the game is, that's all.

357 The Shadow Do  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 8:20:56pm

re: #309 avanti

OK, maybe not arrested, but taken aside and briefed on the reality of the security situation. Perhaps arrest is what he was looking for.

I strongly suspect that happened.

But! Felony menacing is a real deal charge and should have been brought. Would he beat it since the threat was not explicit? Probably. Charge him anyway, message sent.

358 rwmofo  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 8:21:11pm

re: #343 jorline

...and don't say "No, it's all that chocolate you've been eating" when she asks, "Does this outfit make my ass look fat?"

359 Sharmuta  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 8:21:18pm

re: #347 Silvergirl

I can't figure why this earns down dings. Do the downdingers not agree that staying calm and halfway polite is preferable?

I was wondering about that myself. The only thing I can conclude is the down dingers want to get their rage on. Anyone calling for moderation is a traitor.

360 Charles Johnson  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 8:21:34pm

What's wrong with this picture?

"Sure, he may be a white nationalist, but you know, he made a great point there."

361 Killgore Trout  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 8:22:35pm

re: #360 Charles

What's wrong with this picture?

"Sure, he may be a white nationalist, but you know, he made a great point there."

Do the trains still run on time if the clock is broken?
/

362 Infidel  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 8:22:36pm

Re: 317,

I'm not excusing this guy's behavior. I certainly would not have done what he did. I could make my disagreement to the Democrats' healthcare agenda clear without packing heat. I'm just observing that he made much sense in the interview and did not come across as a kook. He came across as someone passionate about his individual rights. That's all.

363 tradewind  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 8:22:41pm

re: #356 calcajun

Never thought I would ever say this, but actually Jon Stewart had the most sane take on it.
Not one senator or rep had anywhere near the same or for that matter, a coherent explanation of what was being contemplated.
It made a great remix.

364 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 8:22:46pm

re: #350 Charles

Seriously, why is he not in jail?

365 calcajun  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 8:22:52pm

re: #348 victor_yugo

OK-- so he's not breaking the law with an open carry. But he's dumb for provoking a response here.

366 Cato the Elder  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 8:23:15pm

"Sometimes, when people are mired in their position...it helps to point a gun at their heads."

367 Ojoe  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 8:23:29pm

re: #258 NelsFree

The "A" gas ticket got you 3 gallons per week.

We are way soft now compared to how we were then.

Rationing went on for some time after VJ day.

My mom and dad got rationing tickets for some of their wedding presents in 1948 so they could drive on their honeymoon.

Now, do we pull together? No, and we have a president who sets us one group against another.

368 Gus  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 8:23:36pm

re: #360 Charles

What's wrong with this picture?

"Sure, he may be a white nationalist, but you know, he made a great point there."

You know that will be by and large the result of this. William Kostric will be idolized by a certain segment and become the latest sacred cow and/or litmus test.

369 The 1SG  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 8:23:51pm

re: #363 tradewind

It is truly amazing that the only sane person in the room is the Daily show.

370 Sharmuta  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 8:24:18pm

re: #366 Cato the Elder

"Sometimes, when people are mired in their position...it helps to point a gun at their heads."

But I'm not advocating violence! *wink*

371 outsidephilly  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 8:24:47pm

re: #353 3 wood

Could be, but I'm really starting to worry about how Medicare ends up in all this. What are the truly elderly supposed to do if Medicare reimbursements are cut? I found a provision in there that cuts Medicare payments to hospitals for repeated readmissions. That concerns me.

My aunt went in and out of the hospital many times about 5 years before she passed away, then stabilized for a few years, and then suddenly died.


I think of the residents living in retirement communities...

The possible limitations placed on Medicare would surely put a those facilities in jeopardy...

372 Sharmuta  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 8:24:56pm

re: #368 Gus 802

You know that will be by and large the result of this. William Kostric will be idolized by a certain segment and become the latest sacred cow and/or litmus test.

Funny how white nationalists keep ending up as litmus tests for some folks, isn't it?

373 Macker  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 8:25:05pm

re: #360 Charles

What's wrong with this picture?

"Sure, he may be a white nationalist, but you know, he made a great point there."

It's that big BUT in this statement.

374 [deleted]  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 8:25:06pm
375 Last Mohican  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 8:25:12pm

re: #362 Infidel

Re: 317,

I'm not excusing this guy's behavior. I certainly would not have done what he did. I could make my disagreement to the Democrats' healthcare agenda clear without packing heat. I'm just observing that he made much sense in the interview and did not come across as a kook. He came across as someone passionate about his individual rights. That's all.

Hi everyone, I'm just tuning in.

I watched the video. He didn't make sense in the interview. He came off as a kook, who is passionate about his individual rights.

And by the way, I thought Chris Matthews came off as kind of a jerk too.

376 Pianobuff  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 8:25:15pm

re: #369 The 1SG

It is truly amazing that the only sane person in the room is the Daily show.

IIRC, rated as most trusted journalist in America by 43% of the public vs. 7% for Katy Couric.

377 The Shadow Do  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 8:25:27pm

re: #330 calcajun

I don't know about that, but some pre-bacon just flew by my window.

Headed for the bunker. ballistic pig ejaculate on the fly?

Holy moly! We're in trouble now Batman!

378 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 8:25:32pm

Reasons why you do not carry a guy into a meeting where the US President will be:

1. Ronald Reagan
2. Bobby Kennedy (He was campaigning)
3. John F. Kennedy
4. James A. Garfield
5. William McKinley
6. Abraham Lincoln

and

7. Common Sense

379 tradewind  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 8:25:37pm

re: #364 LudwigVanQuixote

Because of his expertise in global climate crisis management. He's just too valuable to rot in jail.
//

380 SFGoth  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 8:25:38pm

Must - bail - on - GOP

381 Ojoe  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 8:26:31pm

re: #380 SFGoth

try the modern whig party

www dot modernwhig dot org

Good night all.

382 rwmofo  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 8:26:44pm

Matthews failed because he wanted this guy to be a conservative Republican - not a Ron Paul-follower. A pre-interview could have eliminated him from appearing. Matthews clearly wanted to paint all Republicans as this guy.

383 Infidel  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 8:26:45pm

Re: 350,

I saw no indication that he was a "white nationalist" on the video. What is your source for this assertion? And does voting for Paul ipso facto make one his "follower?" Myself, I voted for McCain while holding my nose.

384 Gus  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 8:27:21pm

re: #372 Sharmuta

Funny how white nationalists keep ending up as litmus tests for some folks, isn't it?

Yeah, rather odd ain't it?

These are his meetup images that he uploaded. Notice the Republicans in the Absolut bottle.

Kostric is a full fledged Paulian and after reading some of his comments on his Myspace page I'm pretty sure he's also troofer.

385 The 1SG  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 8:27:22pm

re: #355 NY Nana

So I appreciate your point of view. I am curious to know, what you would do if the 250lb two time violent felon broke into your home in the middle of dinner? Also what would you do if your next door neighbor pleaded for help whilst being molested or murdered on your door step with same said villain?

386 EaterOfFood  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 8:27:22pm

re: #335 Infidel

Re: 305,

Exactly, that's why he's not in jail. And again, he had valid points in the discussion. I'm not a "Paulian;" but, when someone makes an accurate statement on our rapidly declining liberty, he's right regardless of who he voted for.

And Che Guevara's beret was cool. Who cares? This man threatened the life of the president. That sort of thing trumps anything he may have to say.

387 Macker  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 8:27:35pm

re: #383 Infidel

Re: 350,

I saw no indication that he was a "white nationalist" on the video. What is your source for this assertion? And does voting for Paul ipso facto make one his "follower?" Myself, I voted for McCain while holding my nose.

Even quite a lot of us Republicans did the same.

388 Neutral President  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 8:27:36pm

re: #373 Macker

It's that big BUT in this statement.

Standard kook/troll 'but'

I'm not a [insert kook type here]/don't believe [insert kook belief here], BUT...

Is the dead giveaway that they are full of shit and trying to give unwarranted legitimacy to whatever asinine thing they are about to say.

389 tradewind  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 8:28:04pm

re: #369 The 1SG
I know.
Should be required viewing, especially since there are a lot of people who could use a good laugh about now.

390 The 1SG  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 8:28:22pm

re: #376 Pianobuff

IIRC, rated as most trusted journalist in America by 43% of the public vs. 7% for Katy Couric.

YIKES!!!

391 Last Mohican  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 8:28:26pm

re: #378 Emmmieg

And if you feel absolutely compelled to bring a firearm to an event where the president will be, it's probably best not to carry a sign implying that you think the president should be killed.

392 SFGoth  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 8:28:50pm

What is the difference between the Modwhigs and the Libertarian party?

393 calcajun  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 8:29:04pm

re: #360 Charles

Other than the iceberg thingy, it was a lovely voyage Captain Smith.

Other than that Mrs. Kennedy, how was Dallas?/

394 Macker  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 8:29:20pm

re: #388 ArchangelMichael

Anyone who uses the word "BUT" in a statement wants you to forget everything they said prior to that word; it isn't exclusive to Ronulans or the el cubos.

395 karmic_inquisitor  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 8:29:54pm

Hey - everyone who thinks "bring a gun to protest the president" is just another wholesome American activity, Lew Rockwell has posting space for you.

396 Mich-again  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 8:30:04pm

re: #382 rwmofo

Matthews clearly wanted to paint all Republicans as this guy.

Its the "He MUST be a Scotsman!" argument.

397 calcajun  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 8:30:15pm

re: #380 SFGoth

Must - bail - on - GOP

I think it's bailing on us. That cloud of dust you see is the lemming stampede toward the cliff.

398 The 1SG  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 8:30:33pm

re: #389 tradewind

I know.
Should be required viewing, especially since there are a lot of people who could use a good laugh about now.

there is the key brothers and sisters, LAUGHTER. Not to make light of our rights but hey the politicians they gotta be foolish, its like in the contract right?

399 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 8:30:38pm

re: #383 Infidel

Re: 350,

I saw no indication that he was a "white nationalist" on the video. What is your source for this assertion? And does voting for Paul ipso facto make one his "follower?" Myself, I voted for McCain while holding my nose.

There: #136 jorline

These guys scare the shit out of me.

400 Mich-again  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 8:30:50pm

re: #391 Last Mohican

And if you feel absolutely compelled to bring a firearm to an event where the president will be, it's probably best not to carry a sign implying that you think the president should be killed.

Your post says that you think Obama is a tyrant.

401 albusteve  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 8:31:43pm

woohoo!...it's finally over!


[Link: www.foxnews.com...]

402 3 wood  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 8:32:04pm

re: #374 taxfreekiller

3- wood

we are attempting to help some congress critters figure who wrote this thing.

one language Prof. thinks it may have origins in Europe or France due to some of the way the words are used.

As you read see if you think its that or west coast atty talk
Or where...


Not sure at the moment, but I can tell you that no one person wrote this thing. It's cobbled together from other documents, repetitive pasting of previous phrases. And it is not designed to be read smoothly.

Reminds me of the old joke that a camel is a horse built by a committee.

Same result.

403 Last Mohican  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 8:32:17pm

re: #400 Mich-again

Your post says that you think Obama is a tyrant.

No, it doesn't.

404 [deleted]  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 8:32:27pm
405 Silvergirl  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 8:32:40pm

re: #77 avanti

Odd #65 was not me.

I was wondering why you were quoting #62 without making commentary of your own.

406 karmic_inquisitor  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 8:32:47pm

re: #391 Last Mohican

And if you feel absolutely compelled to bring a firearm to an event where the president will be, it's probably best not to carry a sign implying that you think the president should be killed.


And the ear piece. As in "let me maintain contact with the other guys" ear piece.

Nope - the Secret Service won't get itchy seeing that.

Why didn't the guy just bring a "grassy knoll" with him to prove his "right to bear grassy knolls" while he was at it?

407 The 1SG  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 8:32:56pm

re: #401 albusteve

Wait, that was just the end of round one, DING!!

408 timhinhou  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 8:34:07pm

re: #400 Mich-again

I don't see that in the post but do believe that is what the gun-totting kook was implying.

409 spidly  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 8:34:08pm

re: #360 Charles

What's wrong with this picture?

"Sure, he may be a white nationalist, but you know, he made a great point there."

Totally unrelated to this guy lets say:
Arafish had come out and said "That whole Mohammed al-Dura thing was BS cooked up by Palestinian agitators."

should I, as a matter of reaction to Arafish having been a complete POS, jumped on his views, or assessed them independently of his POS-ness?

Just commenting on the logic of your argument

410 [deleted]  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 8:34:13pm
411 Macker  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 8:34:48pm

re: #395 karmic_inquisitor

Why the frak would you link to that piece of shit!

412 victor_yugo  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 8:35:13pm

re: #360 Charles

What's wrong with this picture?

"Sure, he may be a white nationalist, but you know, he made a great point there."

If Charles Manson tells you that George W. Bush is a heterosexual, it counts for nothing, because after all, it's Charles Manson talking.

But that doesn't mean the statement itself is wrong.

413 Charles Johnson  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 8:35:24pm

re: #409 spidly

Totally unrelated to this guy lets say:
Arafish had come out and said "That whole Mohammed al-Dura thing was BS cooked up by Palestinian agitators."

should I, as a matter of reaction to Arafish having been a complete POS, jumped on his views, or assessed them independently of his POS-ness?

Just commenting on the logic of your argument

I wouldn't believe someone like this if they told me the sky was blue.

414 zelnaga  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 8:35:37pm

I'm not too familiar with Obama's health care proposal, but it was my understanding that it would basically be like a group insurance policy where the insurer isn't a private company but rather the government. If that's what it is, than I don't see that at all as being socialistic. Microsoft employees have a group insurance policy that operates completely independently of Google's group insurance policy. Google employees don't pay for Microsoft employees to have insurance and vice versa. In that same vein, a government-sponsored group insurance policy for the otherwise-non-insured shouldn't affect those who choose to use other insurance policies. Those insured by the government would have their costs distributed out to the others on that same plan who didn't take advantage of that plans benefits and as such, cheaper rates would follow.

Of course, that does raise the question... will Obama's insurance plan (if even that's what it's best understood as) utilize copayments? Insurance companies have them to "prevent moral hazards" (to quote from wikipedia.org's article on the subject) - to "prevent people from seeking medical care that may not be necessary".

On a similar note, does enrollment in Medicare and Medicaid mean you can't take advantage of the government health care plan being proposed right now or would you, instead, be enrolled in that and in Medicare / Medicaid simultaneously? Does Medicare / Medicaid even have copayments?

415 The 1SG  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 8:35:50pm

re: #410 taxfreekiller

Huh?

416 tradewind  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 8:36:00pm

re: #277 Cato the Elder

Meter and Cadence...
They're not just for mountain bikes.

417 Spare O'Lake  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 8:36:11pm

re: #406 karmic_inquisitor

And the ear piece. As in "let me maintain contact with the other guys" ear piece.

Nope - the Secret Service won't get itchy seeing that.

Why didn't the guy just bring a "grassy knoll" with him to prove his "right to bear grassy knolls" while he was at it?

Why wasn't the Secret Service guilty of dereliction of duty for not taking this guy's gun away until after the event?

418 victor_yugo  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 8:36:32pm

re: #402 3 wood

Reminds me of the old joke that a camel is a horse built by a committee.

A rhinoceros is a horse built to milspec.

419 Cato the Elder  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 8:36:58pm

re: #416 tradewind

Meter and Cadence...
They're not just for mountain bikes.

You have a complaint? I think I'm within the limits. ;^)

420 Charles Johnson  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 8:37:06pm

re: #412 victor_yugo

If Charles Manson tells you that George W. Bush is a heterosexual, it counts for nothing, because after all, it's Charles Manson talking.

But that doesn't mean the statement itself is wrong.

But when a white nationalist starts telling you about the Constitution, if you sit there and listen and nod your head you're an idiot.

421 avanti  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 8:37:07pm

The left is already digging the dirt on the Kostric guy, and he's got some baggage. ( Sorry for the Kos link)

Kostric...

422 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 8:37:34pm

re: #409 spidly

Hey, stupid: Insulting Charles is not smart.

423 The Shadow Do  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 8:37:36pm

re: #355 NY Nana

I am not a fan of guns. In the wrong hands? How many mad men have killed large numbers of people? If they were illegal? It would probably never happen. And people walking around with visible guns frighten the life out of me.

My 3 sons were not allowed even a water pistol when they were little. They solved that by using their wooden Playschool blocks. My daughter never even tried that. Now that they are adults, and 3 are parents? They are very pro gun control, and 1 son is a lawyer. My son in law and daughters in law all are, too.

How many schools, universities, work places, and last weeks' health club killings?

If a State does not have strict gun control laws, where each owner must pass all sorts of tests, including mental exams, they they should be held liable for any massacres. Way too many of them.

I will now duck under my computer table.

Nana, there is no need to duck. I think we all understand the revulsion to mindless violence. But you do need to ask yourself just who those people were who perpetrated the massacres. They were, as you say, monsters. The corrollary is that they had no concern about breaking gun laws. They no doubt knew their killer fantasy was likely unchecked.

Many of these horrendous mass killings could have been cut short by one person with a concealed carry permit.

424 3 wood  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 8:37:38pm

Trading volume slumps to lowest yet this year on the NYSE
One technician sees bearish signals in decline, others not so much


A sharp drop in U.S. stock market trading volume could signal a looming test of the year's lows or merely illustrate investor inactivity in a summer month, just ahead of the Federal Reserve's policy announcement Wednesday.

The diminished trade had overall volume on the New York Stock Exchange on Monday falling to just under 1.1 billion, down 25% from its three-week moving average.

"The overall volume yesterday was the lowest for the year. I would attribute it to it being a Monday and August after earnings season, which tends to lend itself to lackluster volume in the first place, so I would be less inclined to use yesterday's volume as a tea leaf one way or the other," said Art Hogan, chief market strategist, Jefferies & Co.

425 Pianobuff  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 8:38:02pm

re: #412 victor_yugo

If Charles Manson tells you that George W. Bush is a heterosexual, it counts for nothing, because after all, it's Charles Manson talking.

But that doesn't mean the statement itself is wrong.

How does Manson know about Bush's sex life in the first place?

/JK

426 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 8:38:06pm

re: #420 Charles

But if a white nationalist starts telling you about the Constitution, if you sit there and listen and nod your head you're an idiot.

Nod your head, keep a carefully neutral expression, and leave as soon a possible. (I usually have children with me.)

427 [deleted]  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 8:38:14pm
428 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 8:38:19pm

re: #409 spidly

Totally unrelated to this guy lets say:
Arafish had come out and said "That whole Mohammed al-Dura thing was BS cooked up by Palestinian agitators."

should I, as a matter of reaction to Arafish having been a complete POS, jumped on his views, or assessed them independently of his POS-ness?

Just commenting on the logic of your argument

I'd think it was just weird that a dead guy could talk.

429 The 1SG  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 8:38:57pm

re: #420 Charles

Well, shouldn't we be saying "any" nationalist starts talking about the Constitution and we should be reaching for the exit.

430 victor_yugo  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 8:39:05pm

re: #420 Charles

But if a white nationalist starts telling you about the Constitution, if you sit there and listen and nod your head you're an idiot.

I'm only nodding my head to amuse him (and myself). Behind his back, I'm laughing and telling people stories about him.

I'll find out about the Constitution by reading the Constitution. That's why I have it bookmarked.

431 John Neverbend  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 8:39:13pm

re: #394 Macker

Anyone who uses the word "BUT" in a statement wants you to forget everything they said prior to that word; it isn't exclusive to Ronulans or the el cubos.

Hence, the But Monkey.

432 doppelganglander  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 8:39:31pm

re: #401 albusteve

woohoo!...it's finally over!

[Link: www.foxnews.com...]

Sure it is.

Obama said last week that the "worst may be behind us," and the Labor Department on Tuesday seemed to bolster that notion, reporting that productivity surged in the spring by the largest amount in almost six years while labor costs plunged at the fastest pace in nine years.

Productivity is a key ingredient for rising living standards because it means that companies can pay their workers more with the wage increases financed by rising output.


If labor costs plunged, companies obviously are not paying their workers more. Who is going to buy all that rising output? Certainly not the underpaid workers, or the 16% of workers who are unemployed, underemployed, or discouraged and not even looking anymore. Seriously, am I missing something here?

433 Cato the Elder  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 8:39:56pm

re: #421 avanti

The left is already digging the dirt on the Kostric guy, and he's got some baggage. ( Sorry for the Kos link)

Kostric...

Hmm. Another guy somehow affected with the German/Bunyanite mania for capitalizing Nouns.

Add that to the list, along with bad web design, of openthroated lunacy.

434 victor_yugo  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 8:40:12pm

re: #425 Pianobuff

How does Manson know about Bush's sex life in the first place?

/JK

"Celibacy is hereditary. If your parents didn't have sex, chances are neither will you."

435 Gus  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 8:40:16pm

William Kostric's Youtube Channel

Not much to see other than some of his favorites:

THE FEDERAL RESERVE IS A FRAUD - NOT
Wake Up Call - New World Order
War...Debt...Greed... and some oompa Loompas
American Drug War: The Last White Hope
The Militarization of Our Police
Is your Presidental Candidate an Anti-American NWO Supporter

And of course a lot of Ron Paul videos.

436 The 1SG  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 8:40:40pm

re: #427 taxfreekiller

Ah, gotcha (must be the lack of meds from the VA...ha ha ha).

437 Charles Johnson  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 8:40:47pm

I have no interest in parsing out what this moron said to Chris Matthews.

The minute he showed up at a presidential appearance with a loaded gun and a threatening sign, he lost any claim to my attention or my sympathy.

438 Last Mohican  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 8:40:58pm

re: #421 avanti

The left is already digging the dirt on the Kostric guy, and he's got some baggage. ( Sorry for the Kos link)

Kostric...

I'm cringing in advance, waiting for the first Republican politician who comes out and says "Kostric was right."

439 quickjustice  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 8:41:18pm

re: #424 3 wood

To your point about Medicare, Wood, the estimated unfunded liability now stands at $38 trillion. The Democrats must address this. Dragging the entire nation, kicking and screaming, into the funding "solution" is how they propose to do it. And of course they must cut Medicare benefits big-time.

Their proposal to nationalize the entire system is political cover for this dirty, and rather large, secret.

440 The Shadow Do  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 8:41:21pm

re: #382 rwmofo

Matthews failed because he wanted this guy to be a conservative Republican - not a Ron Paul-follower. A pre-interview could have eliminated him from appearing. Matthews clearly wanted to paint all Republicans as this guy.


Ron Paul is a Republican. Embrace the suck!

441 swamprat  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 8:41:26pm

re: #428 Alouette

I'd think it was just weird that a dead guy could talk.


They vote in Chicago. And that just shows you how effective those Chicago community organizers can be!

442 jaunte  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 8:41:28pm

re: #421 avanti

The left is already digging the dirt on the Kostric guy, and he's got some baggage. ( Sorry for the Kos link)

Kostric...

Well that comment at reason.com sounds like he's eager for trouble.

William Kostric %P% April 17, 2008, 11:52pm %P% #
It looks the cops ran into the first amendment while violating the fourth. That's the way it's supposed to work.

If people can't wake up and see why it's immoral to trespass and destroy someones property, kidnap and lock them in a cage for growing a plant in their backyard then perhaps a body count is what's required for change.

I personally feel zero sympathy for those cops. I reserve my sympathy for the victims of the nonsense they initiate.
[Link: www.reason.com...]

443 NY Nana  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 8:41:38pm

re: #385 The 1SG

As we are in an apartment building in a in a NY city commuter area, in the 'burbs, that is locked, and you must be buzzed in, after we get a buzz and ask who it is, on the intercom, and refuse to buzz anyone in that is not someone we know? And we can see the UPS delivery truck, etc.? And even though we are on the first floor, it is elevated, and the balcony is too high to climb over even if you are 8 feet tall? And we have garden boxes on the balcony? Not afraid.

And there has been 1 murder here in the 37 years we live in this building...in a garden apartment blocks away.

I just checked on Google to be sure.

444 Cato the Elder  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 8:41:42pm

"I must bring my gun to an national town hall meeting because someone might try to kill the president."

445 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 8:42:44pm

re: #444 Cato the Elder

"I must bring my gun to an national town hall meeting because someone might try to kill the president."

Because, you know, the USSS aren't one of the most professional, best trained organizations in America.

///---> to infinity

446 Last Mohican  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 8:43:08pm

re: #435 Gus 802

William Kostric's Youtube Channel

Not much to see other than some of his favorites:

And of course a lot of Ron Paul videos.

You didn't enjoy the video of the women brandishing firearms?

447 Sharmuta  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 8:43:14pm

re: #421 avanti

The left is already digging the dirt on the Kostric guy, and he's got some baggage. ( Sorry for the Kos link)

Kostric...

William Kostric %P% April 17, 2008, 11:52pm %P% #
It looks the cops ran into the first amendment while violating the fourth. That's the way it's supposed to work.

If people can't wake up and see why it's immoral to trespass and destroy someones property, kidnap and lock them in a cage for growing a plant in their backyard then perhaps a body count is what's required for change.

I personally feel zero sympathy for those cops. I reserve my sympathy for the victims of the nonsense they initiate.

Seems some people really do want escalation.

448 Killgore Trout  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 8:43:21pm

re: #442 jaunte

Yeesh!

449 Charles Johnson  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 8:43:22pm

Kostric should be in jail. The fact that he got away with this is very troubling. I wouldn't be surprised to see him do this again somewhere.

450 quickjustice  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 8:43:22pm

re: #444 Cato the Elder

Don't do it, Cato! The Secret Service might arrest you! Worse, they might ask you a question about health care policy! ;-)

451 Gus  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 8:43:51pm

re: #446 Last Mohican

You didn't enjoy the video of the women brandishing firearms?

Yeah, that was about the only normal thing he had up there.

452 Pianobuff  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 8:43:56pm

re: #442 jaunte

Man, that makes me sick just reading it.

453 The Shadow Do  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 8:44:05pm

re: #402 3 wood

Not sure at the moment, but I can tell you that no one person wrote this thing. It's cobbled together from other documents, repetitive pasting of previous phrases. And it is not designed to be read smoothly.

Reminds me of the old joke that a camel is a horse built by a committee.

Same result.

An awkward looking beast with a really nasty disposition?

454 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 8:45:44pm

re: #328 Coracle

Four legs good, two legs... well, you know the rest.

455 quickjustice  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 8:45:54pm

re: #453 The Shadow Do

On the other hand, the Declaration of Independence was written by a committee as well. Different committee.

456 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 8:46:29pm

re: #455 quickjustice

On the other hand, the Declaration of Independence was written by a committee as well. Different committee.


When your committee consists of three geniuses, you will do just fine.

457 Infidel  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 8:46:32pm

Re: 399,

I read nothing at the link you provided that demonstrates that the individual in the video is a racist. If I'm missing the smoking gun, please point it out to me. Accusing someone of being a "white nationalist" should require concrete evidence about the particular individual.

458 yesandno  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 8:47:09pm

Who would have thought that it would be so difficult for an average citizen to at least be heard?

They could at least put in an effort to "appear" to listen to the other side. This is what has people even more angry then the health care fiasco...the talking down your nose to your own constituents. There must be something in the water in DC because some really good men and women turn into stone when they get there.

No one in Congress has read the whole thing or they could explain it...and apparently they cannot. If it is that important, then time to get it right is important as well.

We don't want to fix healthcare--we already have great healthcare. What we want is to help people get access to healthcare if they want it (and some don't).

Tort reform could go a long way in lowering health care costs.

459 Cato the Elder  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 8:47:13pm

What, no one but SFZ liked my limerick at #143?

I'm going home in a HuffPo.

And my little dog, too.

460 The 1SG  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 8:47:31pm

re: #443 NY Nana

Cool, so What would you do?

Just to help out; lets say a live-in boy or girlfriend is allowing said meanie to reside behind your wall and now its on your front stoop.
I understand you don't want to answer the questions but this is why some people become sheep and are slaughtered behind their illusion of protection and others are sheep dogs and try (albeit desperately) to defend them with the tools that the sheep keep trying to steal (aka right to carry).

So I ask politely what would you do with said beastie at your door?

461 victor_yugo  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 8:48:02pm

re: #446 Last Mohican

You didn't enjoy the video of the women brandishing firearms?

Ghaddafi's bodyguards.

Yum.

462 Mich-again  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 8:48:19pm

re: #403 Last MohicanYou wrote this...

it's probably best not to carry a sign implying that you think the president should be killed.

Just carrying the gun and hanging out along the Presidential route should imply enough to get someone arrested. As for the sign, it features a 200 year old quote from a Founding Father and President. That was the least of his offenses in my opinion.

463 Pianobuff  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 8:48:19pm

re: #449 Charles

Kostric should be in jail. The fact that he got away with this is very troubling. I wouldn't be surprised to see him do this again somewhere.

I'd suspect that every move of his will be known for quite a while. What probably never occurred to this guy (among many many other things), is that his whole beef regarding taxes, etc. is going to actually have the opposite effect as he sucks up some amount of our tax dollars monitoring his ass all over the country.

Bet he never thought of that, though, the asshat.

464 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 8:48:25pm

re: #378 Emmmieg

Reasons why you do not carry a guy into a meeting where the US President will be:

1. Ronald Reagan
2. Bobby Kennedy (He was campaigning)
3. John F. Kennedy
4. James A. Garfield
5. William McKinley
6. Abraham Lincoln

and

7. Common Sense

Common Sense

465 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 8:49:03pm

re: #464 Slumbering Behemoth

Common Sense

And here I thought you were going to link to Thomas Paine...

Good pic, though...

466 timhinhou  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 8:49:05pm

re: #449 Charles

This along with the Black Panther intimidation last November will only embolden others (from both sides) to take it to the next level. Very dangerous path we are heading down when these incidents are allowed to occur.

467 Charles Johnson  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 8:49:24pm

re: #457 Infidel

Re: 399,

I read nothing at the link you provided that demonstrates that the individual in the video is a racist. If I'm missing the smoking gun, please point it out to me. Accusing someone of being a "white nationalist" should require concrete evidence about the particular individual.

His MySpace page lists white supremacist Randy Weaver as a "hero:"

[Link: www.myspace.com...]

468 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 8:49:29pm

re: #459 Cato the Elder

Here, use this.

469 Cato the Elder  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 8:49:56pm

re: #449 Charles

Kostric should be in jail. The fact that he got away with this is very troubling. I wouldn't be surprised to see him do this again somewhere.

Actually, Charles, I have to disagree. Under NH law, he was within his rights. States' rights, and all that. He didn't get away with anything - he's just dumber than dirt. And his carry was open.

470 [deleted]  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 8:50:02pm
471 Last Mohican  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 8:50:02pm

re: #449 Charles

Kostric should be in jail. The fact that he got away with this is very troubling. I wouldn't be surprised to see him do this again somewhere.

I'm currently reading Ronald Kessler's book about the Secret Service. Apparently one of the things that the agents do is make periodic friendly visits to the homes of kooks like this. They chat about stuff, how life is going, how many guns they have, how many voices they're hearing in their heads, etc. Sometimes these friendly visits go on for years.

Those are some patient people, those Secret Service agents.

472 Killgore Trout  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 8:50:16pm

re: #457 Infidel

Accusing someone of being a "white nationalist" should require concrete evidence about the particular individual.

Here's his facebook page. He lists White Nationalist Randy Weaver as one of his heroes. There's only one reason to have him on that list.

473 The Shadow Do  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 8:50:23pm

re: #443 NY Nana

As we are in an apartment building in a in a NY city commuter area, in the 'burbs, that is locked, and you must be buzzed in, after we get a buzz and ask who it is, on the intercom, and refuse to buzz anyone in that is not someone we know? And we can see the UPS delivery truck, etc.? And even though we are on the first floor, it is elevated, and the balcony is too high to climb over even if you are 8 feet tall? And we have garden boxes on the balcony? Not afraid.

And there has been 1 murder here in the 37 years we live in this building...in a garden apartment blocks away.

I just checked on Google to be sure.

Most of us don't live in a fort. The doorman at my house is a SW357 mag.

474 Mich-again  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 8:50:40pm

re: #466 timhinhou

...will only embolden others (from both sides) to take it to the next level.

Extemism breeds extremism.

475 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 8:50:57pm

Anybody want a nice warm cookie? The Princess just got home soaking wet from band camp (she decided to do flags), and popped some in the oven. I'll bet she'd share.

(I slaved over those. I lifted the heavy box from the freezer at Costco, pushed it through the store, and then lifted it into my freezer.)

476 Spare O'Lake  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 8:51:31pm

Thank you Charles and all of you for a fascinating discussion concerning the interplay between the right to bear arms and freedom of expression on the one hand, and the need to protect the POTUS from risk of assassination on the other hand.
Good night folks and God (if there is one) help the President.

477 Last Mohican  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 8:51:32pm

re: #467 Charles

His MySpace page lists white supremacist Randy weaver as a "hero:"

[Link: www.myspace.com...]

"Hey, just because he's my hero, doesn't mean I agree with everything he says!"

/s

478 The 1SG  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 8:51:41pm

re: #466 timhinhou

I can't find the link yet but Obama's group quietly dropped the charges of election intimidation. I don't know if it was in the interest of justices for other undisclosed reason but very suspicious by itself.

479 tradewind  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 8:51:41pm

re: #419 Cato the Elder

Hell's bells, not a complaint, Cato. It's just that you're usually such a picky perfectionista when it comes to posts that I didn't think you'd ever slip an odd syllable into even a single limerick, not to mention two in one night.
:)

480 CyanSnowHawk  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 8:52:19pm

re: #362 Infidel
But that was not all.

Did you miss the part about evading the 'birther' question. It took CM several direct questions to nail him down on that one and it damn sure didn't look like he told the truth when he finally answered.

He wasn't packing heat to make a point about health care legislation. He was emphasizing the point he was trying to make with that sign, the sign that unmistakably referred to the 'blood of tyrants.' I wonder who he thinks the tyrant is? (That was rhetorical, it's pretty damn obvious who he thinks that is.)

481 The Shadow Do  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 8:52:24pm

re: #449 Charles

Kostric should be in jail. The fact that he got away with this is very troubling. I wouldn't be surprised to see him do this again somewhere.

I don't know that they can nail him, but he certainly should be charged. To not do so is remiss and invites more of the same.

482 wee fury  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 8:52:28pm

The thing is . . . why are children at town meetings in the first place? They should be playing, having fun -- and just being kids.

483 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 8:52:51pm

re: #470 taxfreekiller

Stick to the issue at hand, tfk. We all know JfnK is a lousy polecat, but right now we need to do some policing of our own ranks. Any ideas on how to keep the nuts out our events?

484 Mich-again  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 8:52:58pm

re: #471 Last Mohican

Is that the book where LBJ's penchant for hanging out nude is mentioned? I think the local morning show radio guys were talking about that book the other day. Ha.

485 The 1SG  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 8:54:06pm

re: #473 The Shadow Do

At least there is a sheep dog at the door.

486 itellu3times  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 8:54:24pm

re: #418 victor_yugo

A rhinoceros is a horse built to milspec.

I like it!

And a unicorn is a horse designed by creationists?

And a guinea pig is a horse designed by environmentalists?

487 The Shadow Do  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 8:54:46pm

re: #455 quickjustice

On the other hand, the Declaration of Independence was written by a committee as well. Different committee.

with a different agenda, for sure

488 yesandno  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 8:54:48pm

re: #449 Charles

Kostric should be in jail. The fact that he got away with this is very troubling. I wouldn't be surprised to see him do this again somewhere.

Worse yet, there will be others...

Too bad his brother wasn't an only child.

489 Last Mohican  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 8:54:48pm

re: #484 Mich-again

Is that the book where LBJ's penchant for hanging out nude is mentioned? I think the local morning show radio guys were talking about that book the other day. Ha.

Yes, that's the one.

There's lots of stuff like that. Things I'm not really sure I needed to know about. Spiro Agnew's sexual escapades, for example.

490 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 8:55:05pm

re: #472 Killgore Trout

Here's his facebook page. He lists White Nationalist Randy Weaver as one of his heroes. There's only one reason to have him on that list.

Concur. Only a racist would have Randy Weaver as a 'hero'. There is nothing else notable about Weaver other than his craziness.

491 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 8:55:15pm

re: #413 Charles

I wouldn't believe someone like this if they told me the sky was blue.

I think that the biggest danger of people like this is that they mix just enough truth in with their crazy to make the crazy sound reasonable. It now seems obvious to me after watching this video that he got exactly what he was looking for by this provocative act - air time, to sound cogent to those who are susceptible to his - ohh so reasonable tone and declarations of love for our liberty.

And Fox gave it to him in a place where, Chris Matthews chews him out (for the honor of the fleet) while saying the obligatory, no I get that about the Second Amendment and making the guy seem like less than a total looser.

It is all very well choreographed crazy that makes crazy seem just a little more palatable.

And BTW, the fact that this fellow is not in prison after what he did is the strongest argument against public carry laws I have ever seen.

Honestly, does anyone feel safer in this society knowing that that guy is free to walk around with a loaded weapon - and thinks it is just ducky to take it to a rally that the president will be at with a revolutionary sign?

492 [deleted]  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 8:55:15pm
493 Pianobuff  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 8:55:19pm

re: #484 Mich-again

Is that the book where LBJ's penchant for hanging out nude is mentioned? I think the local morning show radio guys were talking about that book the other day. Ha.

Was that a rumor? I wonder if it's somehow related to the other rumor about LBJ.

494 Infidel  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 8:55:41pm

Re: 449

"Kostric should be in jail. The fact that he got away with this is very troubling. I wouldn't be surprised to see him do this again somewhere."

So, people should "be in jail" even if they haven't broken any laws? Since Kostric didn't break any laws, what, exactly, did he get away with? He did not threatened the president. Quoting Thomas Jefferson while engaging in otherwise lawful behavior is not a threat nor a crime. I also won't be surprised if he continues to carry a firearm as allowed by his state's law.

495 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 8:55:52pm

re: #475 EmmmieG

Sooo...

This one time, at band camp...
/

496 zelnaga  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 8:56:06pm

re: #467 Charles

His MySpace page lists white supremacist Randy Weaver as a "hero:"

[Link: www.myspace.com...]

Based on his myspace.com username, I guess he's a fan of The Usual Suspects...

497 jorline  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 8:56:19pm

re: #476 Spare O'Lake

Thank you Charles and all of you for a fascinating discussion concerning the interplay between the right to bear arms and freedom of expression on the one hand, and the need to protect the POTUS from risk of assassination on the other hand.
Good night folks and God (if there is one) help the President.

Above his pay grade.
/

498 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 8:56:19pm

re: #486 itellu3times

I like it!

And a unicorn is a horse designed by creationists?

And a guinea pig is a horse designed by environmentalists?

No, a unicorn is a horse designed by Obama that also farts rainbows.

/

499 The Shadow Do  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 8:56:22pm

re: #467 Charles

Hoo boy

500 Wendya  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 8:56:43pm

re: #344 re: #355 NY Nana

I am not a fan of guns. In the wrong hands? How many mad men have killed large numbers of people? If they were illegal? It would probably never happen. And people walking around with visible guns frighten the life out of me.

My 3 sons were not allowed even a water pistol when they were little. They solved that by using their wooden Playschool blocks. My daughter never even tried that. Now that they are adults, and 3 are parents? They are very pro gun control, and 1 son is a lawyer. My son in law and daughters in law all are, too.

How many schools, universities, work places, and last weeks' health club killings?

If a State does not have strict gun control laws, where each owner must pass all sorts of tests, including mental exams, they they should be held liable for any massacres. Way too many of them.

I will now duck under my computer table.

No ducking required.

I happen to believe my right to defend my life outweighs anyone elses fear or concerns about firearms. I wish people were more responsible, including many lawful gun owners. Part of my business includes teaching concealed carry classes. My husband has bumped people out of the class for exhibiting a "if you step one foot on my property, I'll kill you" mentality. We have zero tolerance for anyone who un-holsters a weapon unless their life is in imminent danger. We spend hours drilling shoot-don't shoot scenarios into our students heads. I accept that I can't change everyone's mentality but I can control who has a course completion certificate with our name on it.

As for open carry? Personally, I think it's stupid and I don't like it. For some people living in more restrictive states, it's their only legal option. I go to great lengths to prevent advertising my carry status when I'm in public. The last thing I want is a 'bad guy" taking a shot at me to get me the heck out of the way or worse.. disarming me. There is also the public perception part. It may be my legal right but it's going to alienate many people around me. I have no desire to stand out in the crowd, I'd rather not be noticed.

Making firearms illegal isn't going to take guns out of the hands of criminals, its going to make criminals out of people who refuse to disarm. Great Britain has extremely restrictive laws yet the criminals still have guns and those who do not have taken to carrying knives and clubs. Thugs, gangbangers and violent criminals have never been deterred by making weapons illegal.

501 [deleted]  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 8:56:53pm
502 jaunte  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 8:57:50pm

Kostric reminds me a little of the character Otto, in A Fish Called Wanda.
He would be an absurd Mittyesque philosopher-revolutionary,
if he weren't actually an armed psycho.

503 CyanSnowHawk  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 8:58:17pm

re: #391 Last Mohican

And if you feel absolutely compelled to bring a firearm to an event where the president will be, it's probably best not to carry a sign implying that you think the president should be killed.

Ya' think?

/That's like asking for a ticket to the 'pound me in the ass' kind of prison.

504 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 8:58:33pm

re: #496 zelnaga

Based on his myspace.com username, I guess he's a fan of The Usual Suspects...

He doesn't have Soze's brains, that's for sure. He's also the prisoner of his emotions, which Soze is not.

505 timhinhou  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 8:58:40pm

re: #478 The 1SG

I know the charges were dropped against the Panthers, which is why I believe this type of intimidation will occur again, probably in other parts of the country too. Those thugs should have been prosecuted to the full extent of the law, as should Kostric. This type of behavior should not be tolerated!

506 [deleted]  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 8:58:47pm
507 The 1SG  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 8:59:16pm

re: #505 timhinhou

Here Here!

508 NY Nana  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 8:59:28pm

re: #423 The Shadow Do

You have no idea how many killings by gun that go on in the 5 Boroughs of NYC.

It is frightful, and most are with illegal guns. Yes, the Police must have them, but we are also seeing them shot with the illegal guns. Booberg is a really lousy mayor, another beaut, like Arlen Spector, who changes parties like socks.

Sadly people can buy guns online. It should not be allowed.

Citizens should not be afraid to go out after dark...but as long as illegal guns are being bought? It will only get worse.

509 The 1SG  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 8:59:55pm

re: #506 taxfreekiller

Isn't she languishing in an Israel jail cell still?

510 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 9:00:13pm

, One Vote. Here: #219 Gella

correction on one, you can actually wear white after Labor day

White shoes. You can't wear white shoes after Labor Day. Except sneakers.

511 Silvergirl  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 9:00:28pm

re: #459 Cato the Elder

What, no one but SFZ liked my limerick at #143?

I'm going home in a HuffPo.

And my little dog, too.

Karma gigolo.

512 funky chicken  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 9:00:49pm

Orac over at scienceblogs tears Luap Nor a new one here

The guy really yearns for a return to the days before Roosevelt...Teddy Roosevelt, that is. He would have opposed TR at every turn, from the Panama Canal to the founding of the FDA. Good grief...

513 The 1SG  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 9:00:58pm

re: #508 NY Nana

Oh, glad to see you there. So what would you do? Reference my previous questions.

514 Sharmuta  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 9:01:00pm

re: #491 LudwigVanQuixote

I think that the biggest danger of people like this is that they mix just enough truth in with their crazy to make the crazy sound reasonable. It now seems obvious to me after watching this video that he got exactly what he was looking for by this provocative act - air time, to sound cogent to those who are susceptible to his - ohh so reasonable tone and declarations of love for our liberty.

Absolutely.

515 Last Mohican  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 9:01:13pm

re: #503 CyanSnowHawk

Ya' think?

/That's like asking for a ticket to the 'pound me in the ass' kind of prison.

It surely is. I'm sure he never actually would have gotten a chance to shoot at the president, though. Anyone who does would have to have gone through a magnetometer.

And therefore, even though he's walking around with a gun and a threatening sign, the USSS has to leave him be. This sort of thing does give me added respect for the job that they do.

516 Cato the Elder  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 9:01:27pm

re: #506 taxfreekiller

Good thing Cynthia McKinney is not bat shit crazy.

Too bad tu quoque schoolyard taunts max out your rhetorical armory.

517 spidly  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 9:01:38pm

re: #490 Dark_Falcon

Concur. Only a racist would have Randy Weaver as a 'hero'. There is nothing else notable about Weaver other than his craziness.

maybe because he's batshit crazy?
did you read the lyrics to the Ron Paul 2008 song?

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518 tradewind  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 9:02:13pm

Obama and his vision of America certainly do seem to be bringing out teh crazies.
May they stay far far away from him and any other elected officials.
The last thing the country needs is for an incident to provide an excuse for a takeover of legitimately registered personal firearms... the takeover of health care is bad enough.

519 [deleted]  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 9:02:29pm
520 SFGoth  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 9:03:04pm

re: #404 taxfreekiller

John F. Kerry, a liar, a fraud, person of self lied awards and citations in a Combat Zone, who attended a meeting where a vote was taking to use
GUNS to kill sitting U.S. Senators and Congressmen, has a fake CIA had, never ever crossed in to Cambodia any Christmas ever, who now possess two DD-214's and odd Discharges, together with aiding the North Viet's and VC while still in the U.S. Navy Reserve,,,who later revived millions and millions of Democrat Party votes.

Please inhale before posting.

521 legalpad  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 9:03:30pm

I feel weird agreeing with Chris Matthews.

522 itellu3times  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 9:03:34pm

re: #494 Infidel

Re: 449

"Kostric should be in jail. The fact that he got away with this is very troubling. I wouldn't be surprised to see him do this again somewhere."

So, people should "be in jail" even if they haven't broken any laws? Since Kostric didn't break any laws, what, exactly, did he get away with? He did not threatened the president. Quoting Thomas Jefferson while engaging in otherwise lawful behavior is not a threat nor a crime. I also won't be surprised if he continues to carry a firearm as allowed by his state's law.

Say you have a neighbor in a typical suburban neighborhood who likes to strap on a pistol and patrol his property line. Maybe it's legal, but it's also nuts. Is jail the fix? No, what's a fix, is him not parading around with a gun.

523 Cato the Elder  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 9:03:38pm

re: #511 Silvergirl

Karma gigolo.

Tous chez.

(((Silvergirl)))

524 The 1SG  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 9:03:53pm

re: #515 Last Mohican

I suppose the USSS probably assigned a special unit to "observe" him from a post that was both concealed and offered a, top down view of the situation with instant access or denial capability.

525 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 9:04:15pm

re: #516 Cato the Elder

re: #519 taxfreekiller

Stop squabbling, you two! It does you no good, and it irritates Charles.

526 SFGoth  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 9:04:26pm

re: #413 Charles

I wouldn't believe someone like this if they told me the sky was blue.

It's not - that's just blue, having the shortest wavelength, bouncing around the atmosphere.

527 [deleted]  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 9:04:55pm
528 Coracle  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 9:04:55pm

re: #378 Emmmieg

Reasons why you do not carry a guy into a meeting where the US President will be:

...

I thought it it was because most guys were too heavy to carry easily.

529 timhinhou  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 9:04:59pm

re: #494 Infidel

Re: 449

So, people should "be in jail" even if they haven't broken any laws? Since Kostric didn't break any laws, what, exactly, did he get away with? He did not threatened the president. Quoting Thomas Jefferson while engaging in otherwise lawful behavior is not a threat nor a crime. I also won't be surprised if he continues to carry a firearm as allowed by his state's law.

Did not threaten the President? Take Jefferson's entire quote and tell me how that should not be perceived as a threat to the President.

530 outsidephilly  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 9:05:02pm

re: #519 taxfreekiller

your still short
and will not grow up

...wha? tfk is short?

531 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 9:05:17pm

re: #316 Wendya

For the sake of argument, what do you do when a kook is asked to leave and refuses? Do you call off your event and go home?

If you have a permit for an event, you are well within your rights to have them removed by security or law enforcement.

532 [deleted]  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 9:06:03pm
533 Infidel  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 9:06:45pm

Sigh,

Kostric also lists John Galt as a hero. Does that make him an Objectivist? He cites William Wallace as a hero. Does that make him a Catholic, Scottish separatist? I abhor Weaver's white separatist views. But if you bother to investigate the government's murder of his wife and son, then you would understand that there are other reasons why a libertarian would identify with him.

If listing Weaver as a hero makes Kostric a White Nationalist, then Obama is 1000 times worse for sitting in Wright's church for twenty years. I regret to inform you that President Obama is a Black Nationalist.

534 The 1SG  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 9:07:28pm

re: #527 taxfreekiller

I will as well,
although I will admit with much less eloquence and a few comments from the door about your being under the bed. So just keep the coffee hot and the bandages dry. Oh, and keep .40 and .223 handy in easy to use containers please.

535 CyanSnowHawk  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 9:08:02pm

re: #438 Last Mohican

I'm cringing in advance, waiting for the first Republican politician who comes out and says "Kostric was right."

I think even Ron Paul is going to leave that one alone.

536 NY Nana  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 9:08:37pm

re: #460 The 1SG

No one gets in here, and most of the apartment are now co-ops. The Board is very strict. No one can live in any apartment unless they are married, etc., or have a partner, etc., who must be vetted by the board.

And again, there has been one murder in our village, in a garden apartment that has no security, in the 37 years we have lived here.

My daughter, her almost-3 year old, and son in law live in Brooklyn...and are hoping to move to the 'burbs, and my youngest is in the Borough of Queens, and he lets us know that he is home when he works late.

537 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 9:08:48pm

re: #528 Coracle

I thought it it was because most guys were too heavy to carry easily.

I will give my typing fingers a time out.

538 swamprat  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 9:09:08pm

re: #533 Infidel

shut up francis

539 jorline  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 9:09:19pm

Stealth down-dinger, blueherron, is at it again.

Karma: -26

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blue, you contribute nothing to this site!

540 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 9:09:54pm

re: #494 Infidel

He did not quote Thomas Jefferson, he was sporting a loaded gun and a sign which read "It's time to water the tree of liberty", while on the roadway leading to where the POTUS was to appear.

Anyone familiar with the TJ quote who denies his sign is at the very least an implied threat is either dense or lying. Add a loaded gun, and the proximity (road route) to the POTUS, and the denial sounds like an even dumber and/or larger lie.

541 pampink  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 9:10:20pm

Charles---You are showing your bias on this subject. There are plenty of YouTube videos showing normal, everyday people who make civil (albeit passionate) statements opposing Obamacare, but you choose to pick one with a real far righter and one who is angry and almost incoherent. You need to get over your bias and do your homework.

542 Pawn of the Oppressor  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 9:11:11pm

"Lemme tell you something pendejo, you flash your piece out to the President, the Secret Service gonna take it away from you, stick it up your ass, and pull the trigger till it goes ka-lick..."

/Jesus, dude.

543 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 9:11:23pm

re: #539 jorline

Stealth down-dinger, blueherron, is at it again.

Karma: -26

blueherron

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blue, you contribute nothing to this site!

Agreed. Blueherron, either post make yourself known or fuck off. Stealth dingers are obnoxious.

544 Neutral President  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 9:11:25pm

re: #541 pampink

Way to miss the point there champ.

545 calcajun  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 9:11:42pm

re: #449 Charles

Only where there is an open carry law. Otherwise...
What he did was stupid and thoughtless--but not illegal (unless the local US Attorney or DA thinks his placard amounted to a threat on the POTUS)

546 calcajun  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 9:12:00pm

re: #521 legalpad

It will pass. It happens.

547 funky chicken  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 9:12:03pm

Carrying a weapon to a presentation by the president, according to the Paulian? "free speech"

Advertising bogus cancer "cures," according to Paul and his Paulians? "free speech"

Here's a little taste of the Orac blog, but you really should read it all:

No, that's not what happened. What happened was that the FDA finally grew a pair and did what it was designed to do and brought the hammer down on a bunch of cancer quacks. It was a long overdue action taken against the manufacturers of bogus cancer cures, 125 products made by the 23 companies, including the pure quackery that it the black salve. All of that is just a warmup for Mike Adams' minion to get to the point:

As lunatic as all of this sounds, this type of behavior has become normal operating procedure at the FDA and FTC whose unrestrained power continues to escalate into increasingly tyrannical control over free speech. As such, Rep. Paul's three bills aim to end the illegitimate censorship of free speech and restore constitutional freedom of speech in natural health. Below are their summaries and information about how to support them.


Ah, yes. Conflating false advertising claims with "free speech." Where have we seen this before? Oh, yes! In the "health freedom" movement.

548 Sharmuta  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 9:12:06pm

re: #541 pampink

Did you not watch the Specter video? A rational, reasonable opponent to this plan spoke. So your notion that a video showing such a person wasn't posted is false.

549 wee fury  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 9:12:12pm

re: #508 NY Nana

I blame the atlatl.

550 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 9:12:13pm

re: #443 NY Nana

As we are in an apartment building in a in a NY city commuter area, in the 'burbs, that is locked, and you must be buzzed in, after we get a buzz and ask who it is, on the intercom, and refuse to buzz anyone in that is not someone we know? And we can see the UPS delivery truck, etc.? And even though we are on the first floor, it is elevated, and the balcony is too high to climb over even if you are 8 feet tall? And we have garden boxes on the balcony? Not afraid.

And there has been 1 murder here in the 37 years we live in this building...in a garden apartment blocks away.

I just checked on Google to be sure.

Personally, I have a softball bat of my MIL's. If you feel any need to add to your security, may I recommend one?

551 spidly  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 9:12:22pm

re: #529 timhinhou

Did not threaten the President? Take Jefferson's entire quote and tell me how that should not be perceived as a threat to the President.

you take that quote, and "A government afraid of its citizens is a Democracy. Citizens afraid of government is tyranny!" — Thomas Jefferson

and I'm picturing Jefferson doing the Blazing Saddles routine with a gun to his own head.

552 Silvergirl  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 9:12:27pm

re: #480 CyanSnowHawk

But that was not all.

Did you miss the part about evading the 'birther' question. It took CM several direct questions to nail him down on that one and it damn sure didn't look like he told the truth when he finally answered.

He wasn't packing heat to make a point about health care legislation. He was emphasizing the point he was trying to make with that sign, the sign that unmistakably referred to the 'blood of tyrants.' I wonder who he thinks the tyrant is? (That was rhetorical, it's pretty damn obvious who he thinks that is.)

That was a very bad idea. The gun and sign combo. It is Time to Water the Tree of Liberty? Plus he knew the actual quote. Combine a gun with a sign promoting watering Liberty with the blood of tyrants and go to a meeting where the POTUS is speaking?

553 swamprat  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 9:12:41pm

re: #533 Infidel

If I see hilter listed it might be because he was a vegan?

WTF?

554 Charles Johnson  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 9:12:56pm

It's sleeper time!

555 legalpad  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 9:13:01pm

re: #541 pampink

Charles---You are showing your bias on this subject. There are plenty of YouTube videos showing normal, everyday people who make civil (albeit passionate) statements opposing Obamacare, but you choose to pick one with a real far righter and one who is angry and almost incoherent. You need to get over your bias and do your homework.

One of those "Zoo" animals was just shown being interviewed on Hannity. I do wish the specifics of issues could be discussed more and less dismissal, condescension, and discrediting.

556 Last Mohican  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 9:13:06pm

re: #543 Dark_Falcon

Agreed. Blueherron, either post make yourself known or fuck off. Stealth dingers are obnoxious.


Maybe he's just been a little shy since he realized that he spelled his own nic incorrectly.

557 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 9:13:13pm

re: #541 pampink

Karma: -4

PamPink

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GAZE

558 The 1SG  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 9:14:14pm

re: #536 NY Nana

I believe you NY, I really do. But why not just answer the hypothetical question? I am interested in your response.

I was shocked when some beastie flew a jet into the Towers in New York. I didn't think it possible but it changed my life. I believe you when you say the possibility of murder on your block and in your building is remote, but not impossible. So what are you prepared to do?

559 The Shadow Do  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 9:14:41pm

re: #508 NY Nana

You have no idea how many killings by gun that go on in the 5 Boroughs of NYC.

It is frightful, and most are with illegal guns. Yes, the Police must have them, but we are also seeing them shot with the illegal guns. Booberg is a really lousy mayor, another beaut, like Arlen Spector, who changes parties like socks.

Sadly people can buy guns online. It should not be allowed.

Citizens should not be afraid to go out after dark...but as long as illegal guns are being bought? It will only get worse.

It is impossible to legislate guns out of the hands of criminals. One can, however, legislate guns out of the hands of citizens who want to defend themselves.

I know a little something about high crime cities, having lived in a few in my time, including Chicago which has some of the toughest anti-gun laws.

I strongly encourage the private ownership of defensive weapons. I also strongly discourage the ownership of said weapons in the hands of criminals and fools.

I know this is the usual pap about guns, but it is true nonetheless.

560 Sharmuta  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 9:15:05pm

re: #553 swamprat

Right! We're not nuanced enough to understand. It's not because he's a white nationalist, it's because he liked puppies.

561 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 9:15:14pm

re: #533 Infidel

Two wrongs do not make a right. Don't excuse bad behavior by pointing to other bad behavior.

562 Cato the Elder  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 9:15:15pm

re: #469 Cato the Elder

Actually, Charles, I have to disagree. Under NH law, he was within his rights. States' rights, and all that. He didn't get away with anything - he's just dumber than dirt. And his carry was open.

And by that, let me be clear, I don't mean he isn't the latest candidate for the Wannabe Darwin Award. I just mean it's a sign of our remaining sanity that he was picked up, questioned, and dumped back on the street instead of shot outright and buried in a back lot.

And at least he was dumb enough to be open about it.

563 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 9:15:22pm

re: #475 EmmmieG

Anybody want a nice warm cookie? The Princess just got home soaking wet from band camp (she decided to do flags), and popped some in the oven. I'll bet she'd share.

(I slaved over those. I lifted the heavy box from the freezer at Costco, pushed it through the store, and then lifted it into my freezer.)

I'm making tomato sauce tonight. Phase one: roast the tomatoes.

564 calcajun  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 9:15:30pm

re: #549 wee fury

I blame the atlatl.

We never learned to defend ourselves against pointed sticks.//

565 Ben G. Hazi  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 9:15:38pm

re: #533 Infidel

WTF are you smoking, defending this creep after all that's been found out about him?

566 Cato the Elder  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 9:16:05pm

re: #554 Charles

It's sleeper time!

Snore...

567 Last Mohican  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 9:16:24pm

re: #563 SanFranciscoZionist

I'm making tomato sauce tonight. Phase one: roast the tomatoes.

Are sure? I'm checking my book, and it says right here "Phase one: buy a jar of Ragu."

568 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 9:16:24pm

re: #482 wee fury

The thing is . . . why are children at town meetings in the first place? They should be playing, having fun -- and just being kids.

Some kids love public events and politics.

569 calcajun  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 9:17:11pm

re: #554 Charles

You mean when the porter comes through the car and opens up the sleeping berths, or when the folks who've been registered for years and never said "boo" come out of the woodwork?

570 Cato the Elder  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 9:17:14pm

re: #556 Last Mohican

Maybe he's just been a little shy since he realized that he spelled his own nic incorrectly.

Can I buy you a cyberbeer?

571 wee fury  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 9:17:21pm

re: #568 SanFranciscoZionist

Yeah, right.

572 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 9:17:37pm

re: #565 talon_262

WTF are you smoking, defending this creep after all that's been found out about him?

Infidel has been touched by The Bad Craziness.

573 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 9:17:40pm

re: #506 taxfreekiller

Good thing Cynthia McKinney is not bat shit crazy.

No shit. Remember that one time, when she brought a threatening sign and a loaded gun to an anti-Bush protest that was just down the street from a Bush appearance? Man, that was totally sane.

Wait, what?

/and yeah, McKinney is still a nutbar

574 The 1SG  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 9:17:43pm

re: #549 wee fury

Harvest a deer...wow gotta like that language.

575 calcajun  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 9:17:49pm

re: #567 Last Mohican

Are sure? I'm checking my book, and it says right here "Phase one: buy a jar of Ragu."

That's ...CHEATING, dammit./

576 Macker  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 9:17:59pm

re: #567 Last Mohican

Are sure? I'm checking my book, and it says right here "Phase one: buy a jar of Ragu."

Here's some Raw Goo!

577 legalpad  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 9:18:01pm

re: #546 calcajun

It will pass. It happens.

In Texas, we believe open carry can be provocative, and risks gun snatching. For gatherings, crowds, courtrooms, where officials are present - bad idea. There is security there.

578 Wendya  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 9:18:17pm

re: #552 Silvergirl

That was a very bad idea. The gun and sign combo. It is Time to Water the Tree of Liberty? Plus he knew the actual quote. Combine a gun with a sign promoting watering Liberty with the blood of tyrants and go to a meeting where the POTUS is speaking?

I have to wonder if that jackass ever read the Declaration of Independence, specifically, the list of grievances against King George. THAT is the definition of a tyrant.

579 Ben G. Hazi  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 9:18:19pm

re: #541 pampink

Sod off, swampy...

580 Charles Johnson  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 9:18:32pm

re: #562 Cato the Elder

And by that, let me be clear, I don't mean he isn't the latest candidate for the Wannabe Darwin Award. I just mean it's a sign of our remaining sanity that he was picked up, questioned, and dumped back on the street instead of shot outright and buried in a back lot.

And at least he was dumb enough to be open about it.

Carrying the gun may have been legal under NH law, but they could have found something to charge him with, and they should have. I'm actually very surprised that this creep is not in jail tonight.

581 The 1SG  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 9:18:34pm

re: #550 SanFranciscoZionist

That is a great start. Good for you.

582 funky chicken  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 9:19:09pm

re: #517 spidly

Are those movies your recommendations, or ones from a Paultard's website?

583 jaunte  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 9:19:19pm

re: #571 wee fury

It's true. I enjoyed going to see Goldwater speak at the old Colt 45's stadium when I was a kid.

584 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 9:19:23pm

Geez, I wasn't gone that long --277 posts? Busy Lizards tonite!

585 calcajun  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 9:19:29pm

re: #577 legalpad

In Texas, we believe open carry can be provocative, and risks gun snatching. For gatherings, crowds, courtrooms, where officials are present - bad idea. There is security there.

Especially with your lovely concealed carry law. I do so like Texas.

586 Infidel  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 9:19:35pm

Re: 553,

"If I see hilter listed it might be because he was a vegan?"

Invoking Godwin's Law, because I didn't see Hitler listed. Do you understand?

587 NY Nana  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 9:19:39pm

re: #549 wee fury

Dang! I forgot about them!

Now it all makes sense! ;)

588 spidly  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 9:19:55pm

re: #562 Cato the Elder

And by that, let me be clear, I don't mean he isn't the latest candidate for the Wannabe Darwin Award. I just mean it's a sign of our remaining sanity that he was picked up, questioned, and dumped back on the street instead of shot outright and buried in a back lot.

And at least he was dumb enough to be open about it.

I think you ended the discussion

589 CyanSnowHawk  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 9:20:07pm

re: #521 legalpad

I feel weird agreeing with Chris Matthews.

Take heart in the fact that this interview pretty much backfired on him as soon as Kostric said, "Ron Paul."

Hey, wait a minute.
Kostric?
Kos-tric?
Kos Trick?

Who was it that suggest false flag upthread?

590 wee fury  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 9:20:14pm

re: #574 The 1SG

Harvest a deer...wow gotta like that language.

Yes. Doublespeek (spelled this way on purpose) -- harvest is so . . . vegan. Hunt is so . . . barbaric. :-)

591 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 9:20:23pm

re: #533 Infidel

Dude, the pretzels you're trying to sell have so many twists that they're not even digestible.

592 calcajun  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 9:20:47pm

re: #580 Charles

Like I said, unless the DA or local US Attorney finds the placard constituted a threat, nope--he was totally within the law.

593 Pawn of the Oppressor  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 9:20:51pm

re: #508 NY Nana

You have no idea how many killings by gun that go on in the 5 Boroughs of NYC.

It is frightful, and most are with illegal guns. Yes, the Police must have them, but we are also seeing them shot with the illegal guns. Booberg is a really lousy mayor, another beaut, like Arlen Spector, who changes parties like socks.

Sadly people can buy guns online. It should not be allowed.

Citizens should not be afraid to go out after dark...but as long as illegal guns are being bought? It will only get worse.

I'm sorry but the term "illegal gun" is a laugh and a half, since there really is effectively no such thing as a "legal" gun in NYC unless you're NYPD. What we're all talking about is thugs with handguns. Let's call it what it is.

And yes, people can buy guns online, but what you don't seem to know is that the online-purchased gun is shipped to a dealer, who in turn charges you a fee, fills out paperwork, and follows all state and federal rules for handing the gun over to you, the gun picker-upper, including the phone call to the Feds to make sure you're not a person of ill repute. Online dealers won't ship to private individuals, only FFLs. It's exactly the same as buying it from the gun store, except you've paid somebody in another state for the gun via credit card and that other person has FedExed it to the dealer (at extraordinary cost, no less).

I'm done with my gun buying, but I preferred buying firearms online since my FFL's transfer fee is cheap and it's a great way to avoid state tax and dealer markup.

594 tradewind  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 9:21:16pm

re: #557 Dark_Falcon
Now ya'll, try to understand.
Maybe it's a homework assignment from Prof Dembzie.
A GPA might be at stake!
///

595 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 9:21:29pm

re: #563 SanFranciscoZionist

I'm making tomato sauce tonight. Phase one: roast the tomatoes.

I actually make cookies from scratch all the time. This was an impulse.

596 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 9:21:47pm

re: #569 calcajun

You mean when the porter comes through the car and opens up the sleeping berths, or when the folks who've been registered for years and never said "boo" come out of the woodwork?

Both. If it's the former and they're jackasses then Silent Bob throws then out, breaking his silence to say "No Ticket" (Dogma reference). If it's the latter and they're jackasses. then Charles throws them out, saying "Get off my website."

597 NY Nana  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 9:22:13pm

re: #557 Dark_Falcon

/Maybe it is Atlas trying a new nic!

598 Macker  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 9:22:19pm

re: #592 calcajun

Like I said, unless the DA or local US Attorney finds the placard constituted a threat, nope--he was totally within the law.

And I'll bet the Президент was pissed off this didn't happen.

599 swamprat  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 9:22:27pm

re: #586 Infidel

all too well

600 legalpad  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 9:23:55pm

re: #585 calcajun

Especially with your lovely concealed carry law. I do so like Texas.

People don't know how safe they are here.

601 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 9:23:56pm

re: #558 The 1SG

I believe you NY, I really do. But why not just answer the hypothetical question? I am interested in your response.

I was shocked when some beastie flew a jet into the Towers in New York. I didn't think it possible but it changed my life. I believe you when you say the possibility of murder on your block and in your building is remote, but not impossible. So what are you prepared to do?

Do you go armed everywhere you go? If not, what what would you do if a 250-pound armed escaped felon entered your grocery store and took the the checker hostage?

We all make decisions about how we protect ourselves, based on our communities, beliefs and personal situations.

602 tradewind  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 9:24:37pm

re: #585 calcajun

Totally off topic of this thread, re open carry:
It is provocative. We have concealed carry permits in my state. They're always safer, because the criminals always carry concealed without a permit, and at least now they're unsure re what they might run into when contemplating a crime against your person.

603 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 9:24:58pm

re: #567 Last Mohican

Are sure? I'm checking my book, and it says right here "Phase one: buy a jar of Ragu."

Mom? Is that you?

604 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 9:25:11pm

re: #586 Infidel

Re: 553,

"If I see hilter listed it might be because he was a vegan?"

Invoking Godwin's Law, because I didn't see Hitler listed. Do you understand?

And invoking the Asshole Law from Robot Chicken:

SMACK!

605 [deleted]  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 9:25:33pm
606 outsidephilly  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 9:25:44pm

re: #583 jaunte

It's true. I enjoyed going to see Goldwater speak at the old Colt 45's stadium when I was a kid.

I take my grandchildren to many of our town's council meetings. Its a great opportunity for them to see democracy in action.

Last year when the Zoning Committee was hearing the presentation for a Mosque I brought the grandchildren. The meeting hall was packed with at least 125 Muslim (men, women)

607 Yankee Division Son  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 9:25:46pm

Looks like even the left are getting upset:

Obama's healthcare horror... Heads should roll -- beginning with Nancy Pelosi's!

608 Cato the Elder  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 9:25:50pm

re: #580 Charles

Carrying the gun may have been legal under NH law, but they could have found something to charge him with, and they should have. I'm actually very surprised that this creep is not in jail tonight.

I do wish that stupidity was a capital felony, but then I'm afraid I'd be the first put up against the wall.

609 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 9:25:53pm

re: #571 wee fury

Yeah, right.

? I adored stuff like this when I was nine or ten.

610 calcajun  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 9:26:11pm

re: #600 legalpad

And that oh so nice "castle" law.

611 Silvergirl  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 9:26:39pm

Camille Paglia is linked in the spinoffs. As you must know she voted for and supports President Obama, but has this to say in her Salon piece:

But who would have thought that the sober, deliberative Barack Obama would have nothing to propose but vague and slippery promises -- or that he would so easily cede the leadership clout of the executive branch to a chaotic, rapacious, solipsistic Congress? House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, whom I used to admire for her smooth aplomb under pressure, has clearly gone off the deep end with her bizarre rants about legitimate town-hall protests by American citizens. She is doing grievous damage to the party and should immediately step down.

There is plenty of blame to go around. Obama's aggressive endorsement of a healthcare plan that does not even exist yet, except in five competing, fluctuating drafts, makes Washington seem like Cloud Cuckoo Land. The president is promoting the most colossal, brazen bait-and-switch operation since the Bush administration snookered the country into invading Iraq with apocalyptic visions of mushroom clouds over American cities.

You can keep your doctor; you can keep your insurance, if you're happy with it, Obama keeps assuring us in soothing, lullaby tones. Oh, really? And what if my doctor is not the one appointed by the new government medical boards for ruling on my access to tests and specialists? And what if my insurance company goes belly up because of undercutting by its government-bankrolled competitor? Face it: Virtually all nationalized health systems, neither nourished nor updated by profit-driven private investment, eventually lead to rationing.

612 calcajun  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 9:26:50pm

re: #607 Yankee Division Son

Huh? The Left does not like this?

613 swamprat  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 9:27:02pm

re: #605 taxfreekiller

That gave me a chill, tfk.
Thanks for reminding us.

614 Silvergirl  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 9:27:39pm

re: #607 Yankee Division Son

Looks like even the left are getting upset:

Obama's healthcare horror... Heads should roll -- beginning with Nancy Pelosi's!

You beat me to it.

615 jaunte  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 9:27:54pm

re: #611 Silvergirl

Obama's aggressive endorsement of a healthcare plan that does not even exist yet, except in five competing, fluctuating drafts, makes Washington seem like Cloud Cuckoo Land.


Ding!

616 Last Mohican  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 9:28:18pm

re: #580 Charles

Carrying the gun may have been legal under NH law, but they could have found something to charge him with, and they should have. I'm actually very surprised that this creep is not in jail tonight.

I've been thinking about this. If the Secret Service had come up with some crime to arrest him for, it would have made him something of a martyr, no? It might have caused a hundred more Alex Jones-listening freakazoids to start showing up at town hall protests carrying guns and threatening signs. Maybe that's why they let people like this go.

617 CyanSnowHawk  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 9:28:22pm

re: #541 pampink

I was wondering where all the not-a-noob but low comment count trolls were in the LGF Town Hall thread today.

I guess they mostly come out at night. Mostly.

/The Town Hall thread was downright weird, I kept seeing all these lizards that I'd never seen before with long term accounts and less than 100 comments, but they were coming up with some of the best questions. Were we all supposed to be using our sock puppets?

618 itellu3times  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 9:29:11pm

re: #565 talon_262

WTF are you smoking, defending this creep after all that's been found out about him?

Maybe he's getting academic credit for it, I can hardly imagine towards what degree.

619 Kosh's Shadow  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 9:29:25pm

re: #611 Silvergirl

Camille Paglia is linked in the spinoffs. As you must know she voted for and supports President Obama, but has this to say in her Salon piece:

Where we saw that Obama had "nothing to propose but vague and slippery promises" on everything, not just healthcare.
Too bad people had to have their epiphany after the election.

620 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 9:29:48pm

re: #607 Yankee Division Son

Looks like even the left are getting upset:

Obama's healthcare horror... Heads should roll -- beginning with Nancy Pelosi's!

To be fair, that is Camille Paglia writing there. Unlike most people, her Bullshit Detector goes off at BS from either the left or right. That makes her far more honest than most liberals.

621 Last Mohican  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 9:30:01pm

re: #607 Yankee Division Son

Looks like even the left are getting upset:

Obama's healthcare horror... Heads should roll -- beginning with Nancy Pelosi's!

Wow, how about that.

House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, whom I used to admire for her smooth aplomb under pressure, has clearly gone off the deep end with her bizarre rants about legitimate town-hall protests by American citizens. She is doing grievous damage to the party and should immediately step down.
622 Silvergirl  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 9:30:11pm

re: #615 jaunte

Ding!

Yeah. victor_yugo posted it on the front page.

623 wee fury  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 9:31:14pm

re: #609 SanFranciscoZionist

I did not mean to sound snarky. I apologize if I came off that way. As a kid, there is no way on earth I would have wanted to be at an adult political event (I should not have assumed that all kids would think as I did.)

624 The 1SG  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 9:31:17pm

re: #593 Pawn of the Oppressor

So I guess I won't get those questions answered since, it appears, NY lives behind a impenetrable fortress from which NY doesn't emerge. Wow, that is not freedom nor is it defending your fellow citizens and family from said nasty beasties.

So perhaps the answer is this. I am a sheep dog destined to step in sheep dip whilst trying to teach my fellow sheep dogs and pups how to go about saving the sheep from wolves. In doing so I must also keep my eye on the sheep who live in the land of oz and forget the wolf is waiting from them around the next bush or tree. I must also remain vigilant to keep the wolves and the freakin sheep from stealing my tools both illegally and legally.

NY I wish whole heartedly that I could give you that piece of mind that you cling to. However, I have played in the sand box and the back yard and know that once you leave the fortress to forage NOTHING stands between you and the wolves. But me and mine.

I ask only this. Stop believing in the fallacy of protection from the Police or Government. Please believe in yourself determination and that of your neighbors and friends, and hopefully your family, to band together and defeat the wolves at your own door.

Satan Claus is out there boys and girls and we gotta be prepared. (Last Boy Scout)

625 legalpad  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 9:31:31pm

re: #589 CyanSnowHawk

Take heart in the fact that this interview pretty much backfired on him as soon as Kostric said, "Ron Paul."

Hey, wait a minute.
Kostric?
Kos-tric?
Kos Trick?

Who was it that suggest false flag upthread?

#104

626 tradewind  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 9:32:31pm

re: #605 taxfreekiller
Or, as (supposedly) George Orwell put it,

"We sleep safe in our beds because rough men stand ready in the night to visit violence on those who would do us harm."


I like your take on it better, tfk.

627 funky chicken  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 9:32:36pm
But who would have thought that the sober, deliberative Barack Obama would have nothing to propose but vague and slippery promises -- or that he would so easily cede the leadership clout of the executive branch to a chaotic, rapacious, solipsistic Congress?

Er, Ms. Paglia? Most of the folks who voted for McCain/Palin saw this coming last fall. It's amazing how people refused to see Obama for what he was ...

628 Charles Johnson  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 9:32:37pm

re: #616 Last Mohican

I've been thinking about this. If the Secret Service had come up with some crime to arrest him for, it would have made him something of a martyr, no? It might have caused a hundred more Alex Jones-listening freakazoids to start showing up at town hall protests carrying guns and threatening signs. Maybe that's why they let people like this go.

That might be the reasoning, but I have a feeling they're being really shortsighted. He's a hero to those kinds of people already. Even here there are a few people who don't really see much wrong with what he did.

629 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 9:32:45pm

re: #620 Dark_Falcon

To be fair, that is Camille Paglia writing there. Unlike most people, her Bullshit Detector goes off at BS from either the left or right. That makes her far more honest than most liberals.

Sadly, she cannot detect her OWN BS.

Other than that, she's fine...

630 swamprat  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 9:32:48pm

re: #605 taxfreekiller

Post 605.
"605" is what the portuguese use to kill unwanted livestock.
Husband asks "what's for dinner"
If the wife is pissed she says;
"casserole de 605."

that was a killer post, tfk.

631 Flyovercountry  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 9:33:02pm

re: #299 Infidel

"Why is a guy who brought a firearm anywhere near an event hosted by any elected official not in jail?"

Because, before someone can be sent to jail they must first break the law. Engaging in questionable behavior to make a political point is not illegal.

Threatening the President is a crime. Showing up with a hand gun to an event where the President is, is a threat to the President. He deserves his fate. This will follow him for the rest of his life. For those of you who think he, "got away with it," rest easy in the knowledge that he did not. This idiot has earned the attention of the Secret Service for the rest of his days. I'm sure we'll see him on T.V. in a couple of years bemoaning the scrutiny he is under for this one moronic act. I won't feel sorry for him then, either.

632 The 1SG  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 9:33:34pm

re: #601 SanFranciscoZionist

Yes I do and Yes I can. I will be there sister, defending you.

If, uh umm if you live close to me of coarse. Its not like I have super powers and can fly to your rescue whenever you get yourself into a Lois Lane spot. :)

633 tradewind  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 9:33:35pm

re: #627 funky chicken

She's losing her touch.. Vague and slippery fit TOTUS like a glove.

634 keithgabryelski  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 9:33:45pm

What turkey. And Matthews let him get away with the debunked "more guns less crime" b.s.

There is evidence the data in the study he cites was manufactured and NO ONE has been able to duplicate the results.

Freakanomics is your friend.

635 tblot  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 9:33:55pm

Does any one watch chris and his ambush questions.I don't anymore

636 Silvergirl  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 9:33:57pm

re: #629 SanFranciscoZionist

Sadly, she cannot detect her OWN BS.

Other than that, she's fine...

Any Palin haters also hate Paglia because she is a Palin defender.

637 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 9:34:04pm

re: #623 wee fury

I did not mean to sound snarky. I apologize if I came off that way. As a kid, there is no way on earth I would have wanted to be at an adult political event (I should not have assumed that all kids would think as I did.)

No, no problem. But some kids do like this sort of thing. Others have parents who drag them, I suspect...

638 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 9:34:56pm

re: #618 itellu3times

A B.S. in Cognitive Dissonant Philosophy?

639 itellu3times  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 9:35:20pm

re: #607 Yankee Division Son

Looks like even the left are getting upset:

Obama's healthcare horror... Heads should roll -- beginning with Nancy Pelosi's!

Oh, well, Camille Paglia, ...

Case in point: the administration's grotesque mishandling of healthcare reform, one of the most vital issues facing the nation. Ever since Hillary Clinton's megalomaniacal annihilation of our last best chance at reform in 1993 (all of which was suppressed by the mainstream media when she was running for president), Democrats have been longing for that happy day when this issue would once again be front and center.

But who
who
who

would have thought that the sober, deliberative Barack Obama would have nothing to propose but vague and slippery promises -- or that he would so easily cede the leadership clout of the executive branch to a chaotic, rapacious, solipsistic Congress? House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, whom I used to admire for her smooth aplomb under pressure, has clearly gone off the deep end with her bizarre rants about legitimate town-hall protests by American citizens. She is doing grievous damage to the party and should immediately step down.

(emphasis and repetition mine)

Gawd, she can still bang it down when she's on, but then she keeps keeps keeps trying to make excuses for Barry - and is still exhibiting a chronic case of H1N1 BDS.

Who, Camille? WHO?

If you have to ask, you'll never know.

(hint: about 40% of the American electorate)

640 Cato the Elder  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 9:35:34pm

re: #212 NelsFree

Dear Cato,

You posted some critical comments earlier about Sarah Palin. Tonight I see a derogatory limerick about Ann Coulter. You seem to have a 'thing' about attractive Conservative women. So, what's your 'thing'?

Love and hugs,
NelsFree

By the way, Nels, since you didn't like my reply in verse: If you cast Ann Coulter as primarily a representative of conservatism, I must say you are most likely a troglodyte.

Just my pinion.

641 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 9:36:06pm

re: #632 The 1SG

Yes I do and Yes I can. I will be there sister, defending you.

If, uh umm if you live close to me of coarse. Its not like I have super powers and can fly to your rescue whenever you get yourself into a Lois Lane spot. :)

Dang. No super powers?

;)

642 The 1SG  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 9:36:30pm

re: #641 SanFranciscoZionist

Just Love babe.

643 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 9:36:35pm

re: #636 Silvergirl

Any Palin haters also hate Paglia because she is a Palin defender.

644 zelnaga  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 9:36:56pm

re: #539 jorline

Stealth down-dinger, blueherron, is at it again.

Karma: -26

blueherron

(Logged in)
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No. of comments posted: 10
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blue, you contribute nothing to this site!


How do you know he's stealth down-dinging? His karma of -26 means he's been down-digned by others to -26 - not that that's how he's digned others. In fact, as far as I know, there's no way to view what someone has dinged up or down. I mean, I'm sure Charles can, since he has access to the SQL DB, but I imagine he's fairly unique in that regard...

645 Silvergirl  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 9:37:43pm

re: #643 SanFranciscoZionist

You liked it so much you had to repeat it? :-)

Probably not.

646 jorline  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 9:37:54pm
blueherron7/07/2009 2:31:01 pm PDT

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re: #523 MrSilverDragon

So, blueherron, you disagree with my assessment that Barack Obama is a dangerous dumbass... care to offer a rebuttal?

OK. You caught me. I've been reading here for several months. Let me get this out of the way first, I voted for Obama. I voted for Bush both times. I would be considered a true independent
I grew more and more disenchanted with the administration (not so much Bush himself) as Bush's second term and the Iraq war dragged on. I started reading blogs. All the "mainstream" blogs (MSB), left and right.

I would have voted for McCain if he had beat Bush when they ran . I didn't vote for McCain in this election because I believe Obama was and is the best possible choice for our country at this time. Also, McCain has changed a lot since 2000. And frankly, his choice of Palin was a deal breaker for many independents.

Since the election, I've cut my political blog reading to LGF and The Huffington Post. (I also read The Beast, which is fairly balanced). I read these blogs because they're the most interesting and thought-provoking and the posters are good writers. Most everything else about politics I get from the MSM. I can't listen to Rush; but I do watch Glenn Beck and Rachel Maddow.

Finally, in answer to your question. I've been laid off since December and am one of the millions of casualties of this economic disaster. But I know things will get better. Despite all of the criticism and derision and attacks and outright hatred from people who did not vote for him, OBAMA is doing SOMETHING, in fact, he's doing a whole lot of things, and he's not mangling the constitution at the same time. Imagine!

So I dinged you down for calling Obama a dangerous dumbass. Because he's not and I sometimes get fed up with the level of discourse. I never post because in my fragile, unemployed state, your responses would have me in the fetal position. So I let Kilgore Trout and Avanti do all the heavy lifting and I upding them whenever I can.

One thing I did notice on this thread is, whenever I tried to downding someone, they got two extra updings; so I'm thinking someone was on to me.

nuff said...moron

647 outsidephilly  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 9:38:05pm

re: #623 wee fury

I did not mean to sound snarky. I apologize if I came off that way. As a kid, there is no way on earth I would have wanted to be at an adult political event (I should not have assumed that all kids would think as I did.)

My children would ask me who made up the laws. Rather than just telling them, I would take them to our town meetings so they could see the people who made the laws, and the process that determined these decisions.

Now, as adults, my children have taken on these types of decision making opportunities, themselves.
My son is the Chief of our local Fire Department
My daughter is the head of any organization that oversees adults with Mental Retardation

648 tblot  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 9:38:51pm

re: #628 Charles
A hero to some. ok sure got some balls to carry gun but hero I don't know

649 CyanSnowHawk  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 9:39:04pm

re: #580 Charles

Carrying the gun may have been legal under NH law, but they could have found something to charge him with, and they should have. I'm actually very surprised that this creep is not in jail tonight.

What was the chain of events that led him to the NBC studios anyway? Did a producer see him and think, "Hey, we got a kook?"

I also wonder, did the USSS see him, neutralize the threat until after the appearance and then cut him loose or turn him over to local LE who then cut him loose?

I don't know much of the whole story aside from what's been discussed here and the CM interview.

650 victor_yugo  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 9:39:53pm

re: #622 Silvergirl

Yeah. victor_yugo posted it on the front page.

Thanks for the cred. I just invited Ms. Paglia to a "beer summit" (or whatever beverage she prefers) if/when she's in the area. As her loyal opposition, I have a lot of respect for her, even if I disagree with her conclusions.

651 Last Mohican  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 9:40:29pm

re: #628 Charles

That might be the reasoning, but I have a feeling they're being really shortsighted. He's a hero to those kinds of people already. Even here there are a few people who don't really see much wrong with what he did.

True--merely by doing what he did and getting away with it, he's a hero to the people that we're worried about. And the fact that he ended up on national TV makes him even more of a hero.

One thing's for sure, the Secret Service has to do a nearly impossible job with very little margin for error. They maintain files of hundreds of kooks like this, and as I said, they apparently pay some of them periodic visits. Just to keep track of how crazy they're feeling these days, how their marriage is going, whether they've lost their jobs, how many new guns they've bought, etc. They often have to end up concluding "yes this guy thinks the president should be shot, and yes he has a closet full of high-powered rifles, but in my professional opinion he's just blowing off steam, and he's probably not going to do anything for at least the next few months."

I guess in my unprofessional opinion, it's true, Kostic probably isn't going to shoot the president. But I don't know how I'd be able to sleep at night if I had to make decisions like that for a living.

652 The 1SG  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 9:40:40pm

re: #647 outsidephilly

Honestly that is the best thing you could have done. And if I were your kid I would have ran screaming away after this last bit of non-sense. But Cheers to you for being a good citizen and doing the right thing.

653 Pawn of the Oppressor  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 9:41:03pm

I adore Camille, but she definitely owns a high-quality pair of Blinders.

654 Last Mohican  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 9:41:16pm

re: #644 zelnaga

How do you know he's stealth down-dinging?

LGF spy is good for that.

655 NY Nana  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 9:41:26pm

re: #558 The 1SG

There is just no way on this earth that I am going to even compare these 2 events.

We all went through hell on that day, and 3 of my sons, our only daughter, and a daughter in law were in the city when it happened, and it changed all our lives. My husband and I have not gone into the city since. My oldest son was driving on the NJT to give a lecture, and he did not tell us for months that he saw it from the turnpike, and that so many cars pulled over to the side, as they also were in shock. His boss called him on his mobile, to tell him the lecture was obviously canceled.

Anyone who ever compares the 2 has not a clue as to how incredible that remark was.

We have kids growing up in this village, and the neighboring ones who lost either one or both parents.

Waiting to hear from our kids was hell...it was also the first time my husband had to test my blood glucose and give me my insulin. The tower on top of one of the Twin Towers held technicians and also the antennas for 2 of our TV stations...the other one was in the top of the Empire State Building.

My daughter walked home from her job in mid-town, over the same bridge from Queens to Manhattan that she had taken for the subway that is elevated river the river.

Re-experiencing it now, in my brain? Painful..and again we will go through it this year on 9/11? It hurts even more.

I am getting off this thread before I say something I will regret.

656 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 9:42:24pm

re: #636 Silvergirl

Any Palin haters also hate Paglia because she is a Palin defender.

Let me try that again. Didn't know she's Palin person, but it doesn't surprise me. Palin is the kind of public personality that Paglia likes. I can't explain exactly why, but somehow she seems like someone Paglia would enjoy explaining to us.

I myself have been mildly annoyed with Paglia since she was going on in the mid-90s about how lesbian bed death is ineveitable, since you need male energy to keep lust going. Why I found this so irritating I do not know, except that basically, I think it was based on the assumption that Camille Paglia's sexuality is the human norm.

657 jorline  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 9:42:58pm

re: #644 zelnaga

How do you know he's stealth down-dinging? His karma of -26 means he's been down-digned by others to -26 - not that that's how he's digned others. In fact, as far as I know, there's no way to view what someone has dinged up or down. I mean, I'm sure Charles can, since he has access to the SQL DB, but I imagine he's fairly unique in that regard...

You don't visit here very often do you? This person has a nasty reputation of down-dinging.

Search grasshopper and you will find the knowledge you seek.

658 CyanSnowHawk  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 9:43:02pm

re: #607 Yankee Division Son

Looks like even the left are getting upset:

Obama's healthcare horror... Heads should roll -- beginning with Nancy Pelosi's!

Must. Resist. Bugeye. Joke.

659 The Shadow Do  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 9:43:23pm

re: #631 Flyovercountry

Threatening the President is a crime. Showing up with a hand gun to an event where the President is, is a threat to the President. He deserves his fate. This will follow him for the rest of his life. For those of you who think he, "got away with it," rest easy in the knowledge that he did not. This idiot has earned the attention of the Secret Service for the rest of his days. I'm sure we'll see him on T.V. in a couple of years bemoaning the scrutiny he is under for this one moronic act. I won't feel sorry for him then, either.

This one is probably not to worry about further. It is the rest, now paying attention and unkown, that are to be worried about.

This SOB should be charged.

660 Wendya  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 9:44:00pm

re: #627 funky chicken

Er, Ms. Paglia? Most of the folks who voted for McCain/Palin saw this coming last fall. It's amazing how people refused to see Obama for what he was ...

Better late than never.

661 jvic  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 9:44:20pm

While I haven't thought it through, I am inclined to agree that a pretext should have been used to hustle Kostric away from the President. The sign was the last straw.

re: #491 LudwigVanQuixote

Honestly, does anyone feel safer in this society knowing that that guy is free to walk around with a loaded weapon - and thinks it is just ducky to take it to a rally that the president will be at with a revolutionary sign?

Of course I don't. I am not pleased that this guy is stomping around not too many miles north of me.

On the other hand, Benjamin Franklin wrote incisively about the tradeoff between liberty and safety.
***
I'm not willing to go to the mat re the following but think it bears mention. Kostric's behavior would have been illegal in MA and, I suspect, in ME. Yet the meeting was held in a strip of NH a few miles from MA and ME. Coincidence? Will we see some legislation introduced in the NH legislature or in Congress?

662 zelnaga  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 9:44:29pm

re: #654 Last Mohican

LGF spy is good for that.

Just saw my upding of your post there :)

Now I'm a little curious what a downding looks like, but there's nothing I want to downding at present, heh.

663 The Shadow Do  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 9:44:29pm

re: #635 tblot

Does any one watch chris and his ambush questions.I don't anymore

He did a very good job of exposing this idiot.

664 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 9:45:04pm

I can't play tonite,

weet dreams all!

665 The 1SG  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 9:45:30pm

re: #655 NY Nana

Ok, good night NY. But read the thread I just referred to the possibility and what has become possible. So you comment is perplexing to say the least. Since you still have not address or at least reasoned why you won't address the issue, I say ado.

666 outsidephilly  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 9:46:03pm

re: #652 The 1SG

Honestly that is the best thing you could have done. And if I were your kid I would have ran screaming away after this last bit of non-sense. But Cheers to you for being a good citizen and doing the right thing.


Interesting, we were going to go Joe Sestak's recent town hall meeting but a fire alarm went off and my son, and his son (my grandson) got on the fire trucks to deal with that call, which turned out to be a working fire so they didn't get back home in time for the meeting. Apparently, we missed an intense event!

667 lostlakehiker  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 9:46:12pm

re: #284 Wendya

Why on earth would anyone call on a child during a town hall discussing health care? Children generally echo their parents political ideology. They repeat what they've heard at home or even at school.

Because this child is channeling you. Why allow impertinent citizens to ask questions that might even poke holes in your idea, when you can have cute little girls reading their scripts and saying what you want?

It seems the whole event was scripted and controlled. A town hall meeting to which only specially vetted guests are admitted.

668 jorline  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 9:46:44pm

re: #662 zelnaga

Just saw my upding of your post there :)

Now I'm a little curious what a downding looks like, but there's nothing I want to downding at present, heh.

Keep watching Spy...you will see a negative...probably blueherron's going down the thread.

669 CyanSnowHawk  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 9:46:49pm

re: #620 Dark_Falcon

To be fair, that is Camille Paglia writing there. Unlike most people, her Bullshit Detector goes off at BS from either the left or right. That makes her far more honest than most liberals.

She cut her teeth critiquing postmodern feminist movement, she has a finely tuned BS detector.

670 victor_yugo  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 9:47:35pm

re: #656 SanFranciscoZionist

Let me try that again. Didn't know she's Palin person, but it doesn't surprise me. Palin is the kind of public personality that Paglia likes. I can't explain exactly why, but somehow she seems like someone Paglia would enjoy explaining to us.

Paglia teaches "media studies" in Philly. Basically, that's "how you present your message."

Since Palin has that down pretty good, she makes a good case study for Paglia's classes.

671 The 1SG  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 9:47:47pm

re: #666 outsidephilly

Again, Cheers. And a special Cheers to my brothers (your family) in Red.

672 Last Mohican  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 9:48:26pm

re: #669 CyanSnowHawk

She cut her teeth critiquing postmodern feminist movement, she has a finely tuned BS detector.

Well, on the other hand, she did write this:

This is in fact what Sarah Palin hit on in her shocking image of a "death panel" under Obamacare that would make irrevocable decisions about the disabled and elderly. When I first saw that phrase, headlined on the Drudge Report, I burst out laughing. It seemed so over the top! But on reflection, I realized that Palin's shrewdly timed metaphor spoke directly to the electorate's unease with the prospect of shadowy, unelected government figures controlling our lives. A death panel not only has the power of life and death but is itself a symptom of a Kafkaesque brave new world where authority has become remote, arbitrary and spectral. And as in the Spanish Inquisition, dissidence is heresy, persecuted and punished.
673 outsidephilly  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 9:48:57pm

re: #655 NY Nana

(((NY Nana)))

674 Pawn of the Oppressor  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 9:49:26pm

re: #624 The 1SGEven though carry in NYC will never happen, I have to admit, the idea of eight million gun-ignorant New Yorkers being allowed to legally carry handguns frightens me. I'm thinking, like, weekly double-digit body counts from negligent discharges... If there was to be a blanket federal CHL, it would need to come with big fat training subsidies for the left coast city dwellers! Yeesh.

675 victor_yugo  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 9:49:46pm

re: #666 outsidephilly

Interesting, we were going to go Joe Sestak's recent town hall meeting but a fire alarm went off and my son, and his son (my grandson) got on the fire trucks to deal with that call, which turned out to be a working fire so they didn't get back home in time for the meeting. Apparently, we missed an intense event!

As if a working fire isn't an "intense event."

676 outsidephilly  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 9:50:22pm

re: #671 The 1SG

Again, Cheers. And a special Cheers to my brothers (your family) in Red.


My guys are volunteer fire-fighters!

677 victor_yugo  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 9:51:20pm

Charles, in case you're still watching:

I'm seeing some wacky comment counts in my "new comments" button. Just now, it showed "(5)" but only one new comment appeared when I clicked it.

678 Cato the Elder  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 9:51:24pm

re: #636 Silvergirl

Any Palin haters also hate Paglia because she is a Palin defender.

I detest Palin (you might have sensed that already) and would buy Paglia a glass of '48 Margaux just for an autograph.

679 Coracle  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 9:51:55pm

re: #672 Last Mohican

And as in the Spanish Inquisition, dissidence is heresy, persecuted and punished.

I didn't expect the Spanish Inquisition.

Thankyewandgoodnight.

680 spidly  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 9:51:56pm

re: #674 Pawn of the Oppressor

Even though carry in NYC will never happen, I have to admit, the idea of eight million gun-ignorant New Yorkers being allowed to legally carry handguns frightens me. I'm thinking, like, weekly double-digit body counts from negligent discharges... If there was to be a blanket federal CHL, it would need to come with big fat training subsidies for the left coast city dwellers! Yeesh.

That has been one of the arguments against in every state that has introduced carry laws. Wild west shootouts and accidental deaths galore will ensue. has never materialized.

681 lostlakehiker  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 9:52:28pm

re: #629 SanFranciscoZionist

Sadly, she cannot detect her OWN BS.

Other than that, she's fine...


Actually, Paglia is fine, period. If only we had more Democrats like her! She is perceptive, honest, intelligent. She calls fouls on the home team as well as the away team when she's wearing the hat of referee.

If only there were more Republicans who did the same. We have some, or at any rate, some conservatives who qualify. Larry Kudlow and Charles Krauthammer come to mind, along with Theodore Dalrymple across the pond, and Mark Steyn just in from the frozen North. But too many of our own, and of course likewise on the other side of the aisle, are merely political animals clawing for political advantage.

682 Silvergirl  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 9:52:40pm

re: #665 The 1SG

Ok, good night NY. But read the thread I just referred to the possibility and what has become possible. So you comment is perplexing to say the least. Since you still have not address or at least reasoned why you won't address the issue, I say ado.

If you're going to say it, you might say it right!

683 Last Mohican  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 9:52:55pm

re: #661 jvic

While I haven't thought it through, I am inclined to agree that a pretext should have been used to hustle Kostric away from the President. The sign was the last straw.

I have no idea exactly where the guy was standing, relative to the motorcade or whatever. But I would think the Secret Service made very sure that he never got anywhere near Obama.

684 The 1SG  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 9:53:05pm

re: #674 Pawn of the Oppressor

I agree, totally with much needed training to go with any program of blanket carry. Just to say, we lose many to car accidents as well but no one wants to ban them though. So I am wondering what is worse? (senseless car accident or intentional act) Both have the same (or could have) fatal result.

685 outsidephilly  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 9:53:14pm

re: #675 victor_yugo

As if a working fire isn't an "intense event."

For them it was!
It involved a rescue, which my son just happened upon as they did a building search GOOD STUFF

686 Silvergirl  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 9:53:20pm

re: #678 Cato the Elder

I detest Palin (you might have sensed that already) and would buy Paglia a glass of '48 Margaux just for an autograph.

You're rare.

687 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 9:53:52pm

re: #669 CyanSnowHawk

She cut her teeth critiquing postmodern feminist movement, she has a finely tuned BS detector.

Aaaah...I dunno. Honestly, she does smack 'moonbeams and fluffy bunnies feminism' a good one, but she falls prey to the equally dumb 'If you wear high enough heels the world is your oyster feminism'.

She's a complete BSer herself. Sometimes interesting, but I don't think she has that good a grip on reality. Too much academic deconstructionist nonsense.

688 legalpad  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 9:54:10pm

re: #674 Pawn of the Oppressor

Even though carry in NYC will never happen, I have to admit, the idea of eight million gun-ignorant New Yorkers being allowed to legally carry handguns frightens me. I'm thinking, like, weekly double-digit body counts from negligent discharges... If there was to be a blanket federal CHL, it would need to come with big fat training subsidies for the left coast city dwellers! Yeesh.

Well, not to nit-pick, but there are not even 300,000 carriers in Texas, a state with 24 million or so. Gun carrying in practice is like drivers licenses, only more rare. One must be old enough, screened, trained, and the requirements in these specifics can always be raised. To "allow guns" does not mean to hand them out on street corners. People who get them have demonstrated that they are at least as responsible as police.

689 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 9:54:42pm

re: #580 Charles

Carrying the gun may have been legal under NH law, but they could have found something to charge him with, and they should have. I'm actually very surprised that this creep is not in jail tonight.

He's also from Arizona according to the myspace page... Did I read that right...

I really smell a fix being in as a well coordinated publicity stunt. He had to know he was not going into the klink.

690 CyanSnowHawk  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 9:56:23pm

re: #672 Last Mohican

I see that as saying that CP recognizes that Palin knew exactly what she was saying and exactly who she was saying it to.

I think CP got that right.

/even if it is off the charts cynically.

691 The 1SG  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 9:56:28pm

re: #688 legalpad

Agreed, it was late and I didn't want to get into the big fallacy debate about how more guns= more deaths. Just doesn't happen. In fact you end up with less crime and deaths from guns. Accidental shootings are like car accidents and we don't ban cars.

692 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 9:56:35pm

re: #674 Pawn of the Oppressor

Even though carry in NYC will never happen, I have to admit, the idea of eight million gun-ignorant New Yorkers being allowed to legally carry handguns frightens me. I'm thinking, like, weekly double-digit body counts from negligent discharges... If there was to be a blanket federal CHL, it would need to come with big fat training subsidies for the left coast city dwellers! Yeesh.

Very few of us coastal types are actually like the Sex In The City characters.

693 legalpad  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 9:56:41pm

re: #689 LudwigVanQuixote

He's also from Arizona according to the myspace page... Did I read that right...

I really smell a fix being in as a well coordinated publicity stunt. He had to know he was not going into the klink.

I think I agree with you.

694 Last Mohican  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 9:57:48pm

re: #692 SanFranciscoZionist

Very few of us coastal types are actually like the Sex In The City characters.

Hey, speak for yourself. I happen to be totally fabulous.

695 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 9:57:56pm

re: #679 Coracle

I didn't expect the Spanish Inquisition.

Thankyewandgoodnight.

Nobody Expects The Spanish Inquisition!

696 The 1SG  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 9:58:09pm

Ok, I am out. Peace be upon you and yours. Remember there is a sheep dog out there tonight doing his/her job for you. Remember them and thank them often. That includes the volunteers who some times do it for free.

697 victor_yugo  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 9:58:54pm

re: #685 outsidephilly

For them it was!
It involved a rescue, which my son just happened upon as they did a building search GOOD STUFF

What was the quote on Oskar Schindler's ring? "Who saves one life, has saved the world entire."

698 The Shadow Do  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 9:59:10pm

Why do some folks feel a need to defend this creep? He is a creep you know.

SOB is defective or he would not have pulled this stunt.

699 outsidephilly  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 9:59:11pm

re: #696 The 1SG

Ok, I am out. Peace be upon you and yours. Remember there is a sheep dog out there tonight doing his/her job for you. Remember them and thank them often. That includes the volunteers who some times do it for free.

Shalom, back at you!

700 Racer X  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 9:59:16pm

The List

701 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 9:59:28pm

re: #694 Last Mohican

Hey, speak for yourself. I happen to be totally fabulous.

I, on the other hand, own pantyhose I bought at the grocery store.

/

702 spidly  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 9:59:28pm

re: #688 legalpad

Well, not to nit-pick, but there are not even 300,000 carriers in Texas, a state with 24 million or so. Gun carrying in practice is like drivers licenses, only more rare. One must be old enough, screened, trained, and the requirements in these specifics can always be raised. To "allow guns" does not mean to hand them out on street corners. People who get them have demonstrated that they are at least as responsible as police.

pretty sure Texas is a shall issue state. the state has to come up with a damn good reason not to allow you to carry. Oregon is a 2 hour class and a background check and the state must give you the permit. My permit in OR was over the 300,000th issued in a state with maybe 3.5 million at the time. you sure there's not a few more that that in Texas?

703 Cato the Elder  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 9:59:28pm

re: #672 Last Mohican

And as in the Spanish Inquisition, dissidence is heresy, persecuted and punished.

Here's where Paglia (as much as I love reading her) falls flat on her academic ass. The Spanish Inquisition, compared to the legal systems it superseded, was a substantive advance in the history of jurisprudence.

Even a maverick liberal is wrong some of the time.

704 realwest  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 9:59:56pm

re: #657 jorline
Hey jorline - cut 'em some slack and tell him about LGF Master Spy!
How are you doing tonight my friend?

705 victor_yugo  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 10:00:08pm

re: #694 Last Mohican

Hey, speak for yourself. I happen to be totally fabulous.

But I'm Absolutely Fabulous.

706 legalpad  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 10:00:59pm

re: #702 spidly

pretty sure Texas is a shall issue state. the state has to come up with a damn good reason not to allow you to carry. Oregon is a 2 hour class and a background check and the state must give you the permit. My permit in OR was over the 300,000th issued in a state with maybe 3.5 million at the time. you sure there's not a few more that that in Texas?

No, not sure. It seemed like it was about a quarter million a few years back so that sounds about right.

707 jordash1212  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 10:01:53pm

Chris Mathews is sharp, and this guy just can't compete.

708 keithgabryelski  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 10:02:07pm

Questions Matthews missed

who's a tyrant?

Is president Obama a tyrant

aren't you using coded language to kill president Obama

the study you cite claiming more guns leads to less crime has been debunked. Do you intend on repeating it as truth? What changes will you make in your position on "the town hall would be safer if everyone had a gun" now that you know your base premise is incorrect?

709 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 10:03:33pm

re: #703 Cato the Elder

Here's where Paglia (as much as I love reading her) falls flat on her academic ass. The Spanish Inquisition, compared to the legal systems it superseded, was a substantive advance in the history of jurisprudence.

Even a maverick liberal is wrong some of the time.

Indeed. Despite its terrifying reputation, many people asked to have ordinary criminal cases transferred to the Inquisition, because its judges were honest and did not base their rulings on social class.

710 Last Mohican  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 10:04:27pm

re: #709 Dark_Falcon

Indeed. Despite its terrifying reputation, many people asked to have ordinary criminal cases transferred to the Inquisition, because its judges were honest and did not base their rulings on social class.

Well that's interesting to learn. I didn't expect that about the Spanish Inquisition.

711 victor_yugo  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 10:04:28pm
712 realwest  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 10:04:45pm

re: #668 jorline
Now wait just a second here, you're 688 wasn't there when I posted my 704! How'd you do that?!

713 outsidephilly  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 10:05:04pm

re: #697 victor_yugo

What was the quote on Oskar Schindler's ring? "Who saves one life, has saved the world entire."


Good quote!
My son nearly jumps out of his skin when things just happen like that -

Last year during a building search he came upon a 6 year old child, sadly, the child was not alive.
The local TV news was there filming the fire events, since it was a live event, I watched my son carry the child out of the building SIGH

714 jorline  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 10:05:54pm

re: #704 realwest

Hey jorline - cut 'em some slack and tell him about LGF Master Spy!
How are you doing tonight my friend?

Hey RW...how are you?

I forgot about spy, but Last Mohican did bring it up.

I'm heading off to bed...my turn to transport the high school carpool at 5:30.

715 spidly  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 10:06:57pm

re: #697 victor_yugo

What was the quote on Oskar Schindler's ring? "Who saves one life, has saved the world entire."

Talmud

716 realwest  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 10:06:58pm

re: #714 jorline
Sleep well my friend and drive safely!

717 outsidephilly  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 10:07:00pm

good night, my lizard friends - 6AM is right around the corner...

718 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 10:07:33pm

re: #714 jorline

Hey RW...how are you?

I forgot about spy, but Last Mohican did bring it up.

I'm heading off to bed...my turn to transport the high school carpool at 5:30.

5:30? When does the school start?

719 Last Mohican  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 10:08:22pm

re: #707 jordash1212

Chris Mathews is sharp, and this guy just can't compete.

Sharp, and yet really off-putting, IMHO. What justifiable reason was there for asking him whether he was a nirther, for example, other than the fact that he probably was, and if he admitted it, he would look like even more of a kook.

720 fizzlogic  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 10:08:54pm
721 Desert Dog  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 10:08:57pm

Working and slaving my whole life away...what did I miss? Any good meltdowns? Anyone get the stick tonight?

722 realwest  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 10:09:26pm

re: #718 EmmmieG
I think jorline's gone, but around here, school starts at 6:45 AM sharp!
I know cause those lil buggers go prancing past my window to the school bus stop and are already talking.
Why, they can't even have had a cup of coffee yet!
/

723 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 10:09:27pm

re: #679 Coracle

I didn't expect the Spanish Inquisition.

Thankyewandgoodnight.

Dude, I will so put you in the comfy chair!

724 jorline  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 10:09:36pm

re: #718 EmmmieG

5:30? When does the school start?

They're year round. School started on July 18th and they will have their first six week break when everyone else starts school.

725 legalpad  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 10:10:34pm

re: #706 legalpad

No, not sure. It seemed like it was about a quarter million a few years back so that sounds about right.

Update: 314,574 active license holders as of 12/31/2008

interesting data, Texas

726 Last Mohican  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 10:10:49pm

re: #701 SanFranciscoZionist

I, on the other hand, own pantyhose I bought at the grocery store.

/

Actually, to be perfectly honest, I've only seen one episode of Sex and the City, and I really hated it.

And, while I would love to try being fabulous for a while, I have no idea how to even get started. Perhaps because I'm a heterosexual male?

727 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 10:10:53pm

re: #724 jorline

They're year round. School started on July 18th and they will have their first six week break when everyone else starts school.

High school starts late here. 8:00. That's an hour later than I had it.

728 Desert Dog  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 10:10:55pm

re: #724 jorline

They're year round. School started on July 18th and they will have their first six week break when everyone else starts school.

My 3rd grader starts tomorrow. My senior started Monday. He has swim practice at 6am...he is actually making it up and not being a zombie all day.

729 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 10:11:14pm

re: #709 Dark_Falcon

Indeed. Despite its terrifying reputation, many people asked to have ordinary criminal cases transferred to the Inquisition, because its judges were honest and did not base their rulings on social class.

Unless you were a middle class Jew... Then it was a pretty bad place to be.

Just saying...

730 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 10:11:43pm

re: #722 realwest

I think jorline's gone, but around here, school starts at 6:45 AM sharp!
I know cause those lil buggers go prancing past my window to the school bus stop and are already talking.
Why, they can't even have had a cup of coffee yet!
/

I'll be in a similar boat on Thursday. I've got a 7:18M flight, so I have to get up at 5am.

731 Racer X  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 10:11:50pm

No Treats From Obama

732 Cato the Elder  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 10:11:58pm

Since I began the night with a limerick, I'll end with one.

The Little Green Footballs crowd makes light
Of anserine fools and their fake fight
What finally matters
Is not how one natters
But whether your spectacles fit right.

733 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 10:12:08pm

re: #727 EmmmieG

High school starts late here. 8:00. That's an hour later than I had it.

I'm getting old, or tired, or both. 8:30 and 7:30.

734 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 10:12:11pm

re: #729 LudwigVanQuixote

Unless you were a middle class Jew... Then it was a pretty bad place to be.

Just saying...

Very true.

735 jorline  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 10:12:30pm

re: #718 EmmmieG

5:30? When does the school start?

It's late...it starts at 8:00, but they have open gym (shhh...secret basketball practice) at 6:30 and we live 25 miles from the school.

736 realwest  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 10:12:31pm

re: #720 trendsurfer
Well that certainly may be true, but it is from HuffPoo and some annonymous sources and the SPLC- now if the FBI has said that I'd be more inclined to believe it.
Hell I'm already more inclined to believe but would rather have some more, ah, reliable link than Huffpoo.

737 Silvergirl  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 10:13:06pm

re: #703 Cato the Elder

Here's where Paglia (as much as I love reading her) falls flat on her academic ass. The Spanish Inquisition, compared to the legal systems it superseded, was a substantive advance in the history of jurisprudence.

Even a maverick liberal is wrong some of the time.

It works for her purposes here. Name recognition with what equals persecution and punishment. Everyone is familiar enough with the Spanish Inquisition to see her point. Monty Python paved the way for her by educating the masses. Heh. So, her academic ass may be hurting, but her literary ass is not.

738 Desert Dog  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 10:13:20pm

re: #729 LudwigVanQuixote

Unless you were a middle class Jew... Then it was a pretty bad place to be.

Just saying...

As long as you confessed, recanted and converted...everything was peachy. Sorta like Arlen Spector, but without the torture implements and a "burning pole" outside the church.

739 realwest  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 10:13:58pm

re: #730 Dark_Falcon
Hey DF! Where are you going at such an early hour?

740 victor_yugo  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 10:14:34pm

re: #737 Silvergirl

It works for her purposes here. Name recognition with what equals persecution and punishment. Everyone is familiar enough with the Spanish Inquisition to see her point. Monty Python paved the way for her by educating the masses. Heh. So, her academic ass may be hurting, but her literary ass is not.

I've seen her ass, in person.

I only regret that I'm not her type.

741 jorline  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 10:14:43pm

re: #728 Desert Dog

My 3rd grader starts tomorrow. My senior started Monday. He has swim practice at 6am...he is actually making it up and not being a zombie all day.

Yep...what happened to after school practice? Our swim team is in the water at 6am as well.

742 realwest  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 10:14:55pm

re: #735 jorline
Ah, the 25 miles from the school explains it. We have "secret" basketball get togethers too!

743 Cato the Elder  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 10:15:12pm

re: #737 Silvergirl

It works for her purposes here. Name recognition with what equals persecution and punishment. Everyone is familiar enough with the Spanish Inquisition to see her point. Monty Python paved the way for her by educating the masses. Heh. So, her academic ass may be hurting, but her literary ass is not.

But what about her intellectual ass? Surely cutting truth loose for easy points is bound to hurt at some point.

(I won't even try to play the anatomical jokes here.)

744 Last Mohican  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 10:16:04pm

re: #721 Desert Dog

Working and slaving my whole life away...what did I miss? Any good meltdowns? Anyone get the stick tonight?

Almost. But like so many others before it, tonight's would-be melter-down shrank away in fear, and the moment of its flounce came and went rather uneventfully.

745 realwest  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 10:16:40pm

re: #741 jorline
I though after 6 practices was football practice time! It is down here!
I tell no lie, basketball and football are BIG in North Carolina!

746 Desert Dog  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 10:16:44pm

re: #741 jorline

Yep...what happened to after school practice? Our swim team is in the water at 6am as well.

They share the pool with their rival High School...two weeks at 6am, then two weeks at 4pm. The meets start in September. He's been practicing all summer.

747 Wendya  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 10:17:06pm

re: #731 Racer X

No Treats From Obama


ROTFL!! Now that's just messed up. Politicizing your dog?

748 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 10:17:39pm

re: #739 realwest

Hey DF! Where are you going at such an early hour?

Indianapolis. Big gaming convention there called GenCon. Lack of funds forced me to skip it last year, but this year I can afford it. The downside is I probably won't be here at LGF much at all while I'm there. Still, it's a nice mini-vacation and I need one of those.

749 realwest  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 10:19:24pm

re: #748 Dark_Falcon
" Still, it's a nice mini-vacation and I need one of those."
Now ain't that the truth! Have a GREAT TIME!

750 Cato the Elder  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 10:19:43pm

re: #737 Silvergirl

It works for her purposes here. Name recognition with what equals persecution and punishment. Everyone is familiar enough with the Spanish Inquisition to see her point. Monty Python paved the way for her by educating the masses. Heh. So, her academic ass may be hurting, but her literary ass is not.

And, but: dontcha think it kinda comes close to Godwin's banlieu? Hoc locqui est you're the SP, discussion over?

751 jorline  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 10:19:48pm

re: #742 realwest

Ah, the 25 miles from the school explains it. We have "secret" basketball get togethers too!

My son has the same open gym after school and gets out at 6pm.

He has his first baseball tournament one week from Friday...it's going to be a longgg year...lol

752 Silvergirl  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 10:20:22pm

re: #743 Cato the Elder

But what about her intellectual ass? Surely cutting truth loose for easy points is bound to hurt at some point.

(I won't even try to play the anatomical jokes here.)

It's not all about intellect. Sometimes it's show biz.

Sometimes you feel like a nut, sometimes you don't.

753 Cato the Elder  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 10:21:26pm

re: #752 Silvergirl

It's not all about intellect. Sometimes it's show biz.

Sometimes you feel like a nut, sometimes you don't.

Heh. Let's get married.

Last week I posted on Facebook: "Sometimes you feel like a nut, sometimes you know."

754 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 10:21:37pm

Poster Board for a protest sign: $3.25
Sharpie for writing an implied threat on said sign: $1.29
Loaded Pistol: $499.95

Combining all these elements at a protest in the vicinity of a Presidential appearance:

One million times dumber than lathering yourself in pigs blood and jumping into a shark tank.

755 Desert Dog  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 10:21:53pm

Not usually a big Bob Hebert fan, but this article from the NYT is very well done.

A Scary Reality

A truer picture of the employment crisis emerges when you combine the number of people who are officially counted as jobless with those who are working part time because they can’t find full-time work and those in the so-called labor market reserve — people who are not actively looking for work (because they have become discouraged, for example) but would take a job if one became available.

The tally from those three categories is a mind-boggling 30 million Americans — 19 percent of the overall work force.

This is, by far, the nation’s biggest problem and should be its No. 1 priority.

I have laid off 5 workers since last year. All of them have been with me for over 5 years, a couple of them for over 10. They all have families and they are ALL still unemployed or severly under employed. It was a heart wrenching decesion, but in order to survive, I had to do it. I hope things start turning around soon. I may have to let more go before this all ends.

756 Silvergirl  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 10:22:23pm

re: #750 Cato the Elder

And, but: dontcha think it kinda comes close to Godwin's banlieu? Hoc locqui est you're the SP, discussion over?

You expect me to Google that stuff?

Sorry, I'm kind of an ape woman who drops my 'G's mosta the time.

757 realwest  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 10:22:28pm

re: #751 jorline
Whoa, your high school kid works more hours than do most working folk do!
I know you're his dad and all, but seriously is he any good? How tall? How heavy and what year is he in (and yes, I am scouting for NC - what of it?!)

758 jorline  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 10:22:58pm

re: #745 realwest

I though after 6 practices was football practice time! It is down here!
I tell no lie, basketball and football are BIG in North Carolina!

Needless to say football is very big in TX, but basketball and baseball are the big sports at his HS. The state champions for 5A, 4A and 3A come from this area each year.

759 Desert Dog  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 10:23:57pm

re: #754 Slumbering Behemoth

Poster Board for a protest sign: $3.25
Sharpie for writing an implied threat on said sign: $1.29
Loaded Pistol: $499.95

Combining all these elements at a protest in the vicinity of a Presidential appearance:

One million times dumber than lathering yourself in pigs blood and jumping into a shark tank.

Cato should send him a lead plated Doofi medallion that he must wear around his neck at all times so the rest of us can give him a wide berth. Of course, he is from Arizona...where else could he have come from? :-(

760 Last Mohican  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 10:24:10pm

re: #754 Slumbering Behemoth

Well, sort of. He was asking for trouble, but he didn't get it. Instead he got to be on national TV. He's the hero of the Paulians, at least for a week or so.

If I were him, I'd be asking out some of those cute girls with the machine guns in that video he posted, before everyone forgets about the Chris Matthews appearance.

761 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 10:24:43pm

re: #726 Last Mohican

Actually, to be perfectly honest, I've only seen one episode of Sex and the City, and I really hated it.

And, while I would love to try being fabulous for a while, I have no idea how to even get started. Perhaps because I'm a heterosexual male?

That is a drawback.

762 jorline  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 10:25:02pm

re: #748 Dark_Falcon

Indianapolis. Big gaming convention there called GenCon. Lack of funds forced me to skip it last year, but this year I can afford it. The downside is I probably won't be here at LGF much at all while I'm there. Still, it's a nice mini-vacation and I need one of those.

Mini vacation and a job...you're doing better than a lot of people Dark.

Enjoy your trip and be safe.

763 ladycatnip  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 10:26:01pm

Love this - Paglia: Pelosi must go

But who would have thought that the sober, deliberative Barack Obama would have nothing to propose but vague and slippery promises -- or that he would so easily cede the leadership clout of the executive branch to a chaotic, rapacious, solipsistic Congress? House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, whom I used to admire for her smooth aplomb under pressure, has clearly gone off the deep end with her bizarre rants about legitimate town-hall protests by American citizens. She is doing grievous damage to the party and should immediately step down...

And what do Democrats stand for, if they are so ready to defame concerned citizens as the "mob" -- a word betraying a Marie Antoinette delusion of superiority to ordinary mortals. I thought my party was populist, attentive to the needs and wishes of those outside the power structure. And as a product of the 1960s, I thought the Democratic party was passionately committed to freedom of thought and speech...

As a libertarian and refugee from the authoritarian Roman Catholic church of my youth, I simply do not understand the drift of my party toward a soulless collectivism. This is in fact what Sarah Palin hit on in her shocking image of a "death panel" under Obamacare that would make irrevocable decisions about the disabled and elderly. When I first saw that phrase, headlined on the Drudge Report, I burst out laughing. It seemed so over the top! But on reflection, I realized that Palin's shrewdly timed metaphor spoke directly to the electorate's unease with the prospect of shadowy, unelected government figures controlling our lives. A death panel not only has the power of life and death but is itself a symptom of a Kafkaesque brave new world where authority has become remote, arbitrary and spectral. And as in the Spanish Inquisition, dissidence is heresy, persecuted and punished.

Paglia nails it.

764 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 10:26:45pm

re: #759 Desert Dog

Hey now! I have relatives from Arizona. None of them are that dumb. :)

765 jorline  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 10:26:54pm

Signing off for real this time...no pun intended RW.

766 spidly  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 10:27:35pm

re: #725 legalpad

Update: 314,574 active license holders as of 12/31/2008

interesting data, Texas

saw that, quite a low number.
Wonder if UT and FL permits being honored in TX and issued out of state depresses the number. The only reason I have an OR or WA permit (WA had issued over a million permits by 2000!) is because they won't accept my FL. Fewer reqs for FL than TX too.

767 Sharmuta  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 10:27:44pm
768 Desert Dog  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 10:28:05pm

re: #764 Slumbering Behemoth

Hey now! I have relatives from Arizona. None of them are that dumb. :)

Have you met their neighbors? :-)

769 Cato the Elder  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 10:28:10pm

re: #726 Last Mohican

Actually, to be perfectly honest, I've only seen one episode of Sex and the City, and I really hated it.

And, while I would love to try being fabulous for a while, I have no idea how to even get started. Perhaps because I'm a heterosexual male?

What put me off was the anorexia.

Sorry, SITC fans, I like Rubens. The painter, not the sandwiches. Though come to think of it I like them too.

Someone thought it was a funny comeback the other day when I said Lakshmi Singh was hot to tell me "she's a plumper".

As if that were a drawback.

770 Ojoe  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 10:29:40pm

re: #355 NY Nana

Hi Nana

The way I see it, is that you want the biggest weapons in the hands of the most moral people, and visibly so.

It is not guns I am afraid of, it is being defenseless.


Good night to you.

771 legalpad  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 10:30:03pm

re: #766 spidly

saw that, quite a low number.
Wonder if UT and FL permits being honored in TX and issued out of state depresses the number. The only reason I have an OR or WA permit (WA had issued over a million permits by 2000!) is because they won't accept my FL. Fewer reqs for FL than TX too.

Those states are reciprocal anyway. They can just get them in their own state. Texas licenses, according to my link, are harder to get.

772 Desert Dog  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 10:30:49pm

re: #769 Cato the Elder

What put me off was the anorexia.

Sorry, SITC fans, I like Rubens. The painter, not the sandwiches. Though come to think of it I like them too.

Someone thought it was a funny comeback the other day when I said Lakshmi Singh was hot to tell me "she's a plumper".

As if that were a drawback.

773 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 10:31:55pm

re: #749 realwest

re: #762 jorline

Thanks guys. And again thanks for the moral support that has helped me through the rough patches.

And with that, I'm going to bed. Goodnight, all.

774 realwest  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 10:32:28pm

re: #755 Desert Dog
Hey DD - there's something wrong with your link, pardner!

775 victor_yugo  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 10:32:50pm

re: #769 Cato the Elder

Sorry, SITC fans, I like Rubens. The painter, not the sandwiches. Though come to think of it I like them too.

One of my lefty college profs told us how she put a Rubens picture on her refrigerator, as an affirmation that there were those who considered her curvy figure attractive.

And anyone who asks for a "reuben on wheat" should be given the ingredients separately. Let them make their own sandwich, but it won't be a real reuben without rye bread.

776 realwest  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 10:33:40pm

re: #773 Dark_Falcon
Good night Dark_Falcon - have a swift, safe trip and a GREAT TIME while you're there!

777 rynloran  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 10:34:31pm

The dude's pretty smart. This whole "Har har, he voted Ron Paul, he must be a looney!" is pretty tired and stupid.

Mathews is being a ridiculous 'tard. We have a right to carry guns. Not our fault people are afraid of them.

I've seen people handle an intrusive interview far worse than this guy. Give him credit where it's due.

778 Desert Dog  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 10:34:45pm

re: #755 Desert Dog

A Scary Reality

779 victor_yugo  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 10:35:46pm

re: #777 rynloran

I've seen people handle an intrusive interview far worse than this guy. Give him credit where it's due.

If he hadn't been a dumbass to begin with, he wouldn't be getting this interview with Tingly Matthews.

780 Desert Dog  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 10:36:06pm

re: #777 rynloran

The dude's pretty smart. This whole "Har har, he voted Ron Paul, he must be a looney!" is pretty tired and stupid.

Mathews is being a ridiculous 'tard. We have a right to carry guns. Not our fault people are afraid of them.

I've seen people handle an intrusive interview far worse than this guy. Give him credit where it's due.

Did you forget your sarc tag?

781 Silvergirl  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 10:37:05pm

re: #779 victor_yugo

If he hadn't been a dumbass to begin with, he wouldn't be getting this interview with Tingly Matthews.

What a way to gain your 15 minutes.

782 Last Mohican  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 10:37:21pm

re: #780 Desert Dog

Did you forget your sarc tag?

Let's cut him some slack. It's only his second post.

783 Silvergirl  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 10:39:33pm

re: #782 Last Mohican

Let's cut him some slack. It's only his second post.

Should I take back my down ding? I feel mean giving them anyway.

784 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 10:39:44pm

Repost: I have a confession to make. I have been lying about AGW.

I just realized that all of those years in graduate school where I was indoctrinated into the Lenninist reform physics community were a waste. I once had such noble intentions, but I have become a mockery of the physicist I had once hoped to be.

You see, as a young man, our commissar was actually a very beautiful woman, well girl really. Her name was Irena. She had the most beautiful smile, and the way her lip would curl, and her body shake with righteous fury when she said the world capitalist, was well, too much for me as a young man to be able to resist. It was her dirty blond hair and piercing hazel eyes coupled with a true and pure urge to create a workers paradise that convinced me - well that and the fact that she could be very "rewarding" of my orthodoxy.

I am so ashamed now to think on it. But since I am confessing to you, it was Irena who told me that my mathematical skills could aid the cause of revolution and atone for my intellectual status, if I would help promote the new order through helping to create and perpetuate a new Marxist/Lenninist pure form of climate science. She was so convincing,, and I was so full of hope of creating a new state for the people... Oh! How she would smile when my lip would curl when I said Carbon Dioxide!

Just personally, you should know it was the best sex ever.

So I became part of the conspiracy. Of course, once I was in it... Well, how could I get out? My grants depended on continuing my research and by now, Irena had a little revolutionary coming. I admitted that I had to settle down and take care of the collective. I hated the dishonesty of it as I fudged calculation after calculation, but hey, everyone else in the department was doing it too. I convinced myself it was ok to keep lying.

And it was scary... There were those scientists, brave souls who remembered what it was to scientists... They stood up for the truth. They disappeared. Irena explained it was for the good of the party and the good of the proletariat.

My orthodoxy began to slip and Irena left me for a more strict Marxist physicist. I wanted so much to prove myself to her and get her back.

So I, much to my shame stayed silent all of these years, and all of the lies about global warming, well they just became second nature.

But, you skeptics here have saved me. I know I am risking my life by doing this. I can no longer keep the truth hidden. The only thing that is warming the Earth excessively is Bill Clinton. That's right. It is all because of his secret slave breeding program and slave girl flatulence.

I know I will be shot now. But please know, I will die a free man at last because of you! Thank you.

///

785 spidly  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 10:39:58pm

re: #771 legalpad

Those states are reciprocal anyway. They can just get them in their own state. Texas licenses, according to my link, are harder to get.

that's what I meant. I wonder how many Texans take the basic NRA course or one of the other options for a FL permit and skip getting the Texas permit which requires 15 hour class. FL is good for 6 years. Haven't found how long TX permit is good for.

786 Silvergirl  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 10:42:00pm

re: #784 LudwigVanQuixote

Have you been moonlighting at Bulwer-Lytton?

787 sngnsgt  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 10:42:29pm

re: #763 ladycatnip

Nancy Pelosi: The Wicked Witch of the Left.

788 realwest  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 10:42:49pm

re: #778 Desert Dog
Thank you kindly Desert Dog!
Very interesting piece - very interesting.

789 spidly  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 10:43:22pm

re: #784 LudwigVanQuixote

already gave at the temple

790 legalpad  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 10:43:25pm

re: #785 spidly

that's what I meant. I wonder how many Texans take the basic NRA course or one of the other options for a FL permit and skip getting the Texas permit which requires 15 hour class. FL is good for 6 years. Haven't found how long TX permit is good for.

Oh, sure. TX permit is 5 years. Seems a lot of trouble for very many to get out of state reciprocals, though.

791 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 10:43:38pm

re: #786 Silvergirl

Have you been moonlighting at Bulwer-Lytton?

I had to google that, no... but I did want to write something light hearted. I hope that you laughed.

792 Gus  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 10:43:48pm

Something that may apply in the future with regards to those that may want to emulate William Kostric:

U.S. Code:

TITLE 18 > PART I > CHAPTER 84 > § 1752

§ 1752. Restricted building or grounds

(a) It shall be unlawful for any person or group of persons—

(1) willfully and knowingly to enter or remain in any posted, cordoned off, or otherwise restricted area of a building or grounds where the President or other person protected by the Secret Service is or will be temporarily visiting;
(2) willfully and knowingly to enter or remain in any posted, cordoned off, or otherwise restricted area of a building or grounds so restricted in conjunction with an event designated as a special event of national significance;
(3) willfully, knowingly, and with intent to impede or disrupt the orderly conduct of Government business or official functions, to engage in disorderly or disruptive conduct in, or within such proximity to, any building or grounds described in paragraph (1) or (2) when, or so that, such conduct, in fact, impedes or disrupts the orderly conduct of Government business or official functions;
(4) willfully and knowingly to obstruct or impede ingress or egress to or from any building, grounds, or area described in paragraph (1) or (2); or
(5) willfully and knowingly to engage in any act of physical violence against any person or property in any building, grounds, or area described in paragraph (1) or (2).

(b) Violation of this section, and attempts or conspiracies to commit such violations, shall be punishable by—
(1) a fine under this title or imprisonment for not more than 10 years, or both, if—

(A) the person, during and in relation to the offense, uses or carries a deadly or dangerous weapon or firearm; or

(B) the offense results in significant bodily injury as defined by section 2118 (e)(3); and

(2) a fine under this title or imprisonment for not more than one year, or both, in any other case.

(c) Violation of this section, and attempts or conspiracies to commit such violations, shall be prosecuted by the United States attorney in the Federal district court having jurisdiction of the place where the offense occurred.

(d) None of the laws of the United States or of the several States and the District of Columbia shall be superseded by this section.

(e) As used in this section, the term “other person protected by the Secret Service” means any person whom the United States Secret Service is authorized to protect under section 3056 of this title when such person has not declined such protection.

793 Last Mohican  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 10:44:56pm

re: #783 Silvergirl

Should I take back my down ding? I feel mean giving them anyway.

Well, let me think about it...

Umm...

Nah.

794 Desert Dog  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 10:45:35pm

re: #784 LudwigVanQuixote

You're Welcome Senor Quixote. Now, for your final act of repentance, please take that copy of An Inconvenient Truth out from under your pillow and toss it out the window...then and only then will you be totally free.

795 Silvergirl  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 10:45:38pm

re: #791 LudwigVanQuixote

I had to google that, no... but I did want to write something light hearted. I hope that you laughed.

I did.

796 freetoken  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 10:46:53pm

Just got to say... Matthews actually got me to chuckle. Many people here may despise him, but he knows what he is doing, and getting the gun-slinger to own up to reading 'nirther material and voting for Ron Paul, so early in the conversation, was brilliant.

797 victor_yugo  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 10:47:02pm

re: #794 Desert Dog

You're Welcome Senor Quixote. Now, for your final act of repentance, please take that copy of An Inconvenient Truth out from under your pillow and toss it out the window..

...where it will land on the thin skin and thick skull of some progressive nincompoop.

798 realwest  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 10:47:05pm

re: #792 Gus 802
Hi Gus! Good find, great link! So how did William Kostric pull it off?
USSS stretched too thinly?

799 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 10:47:31pm

re: #794 Desert Dog

You're Welcome Senor Quixote. Now, for your final act of repentance, please take that copy of An Inconvenient Truth out from under your pillow and toss it out the window...then and only then will you be totally free.

I can't, it still smells like Irena... It is all I have left of her...

800 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 10:47:43pm

re: #767 Sharmuta

I am seeing many parallels between the current derangement and that which was present during the Clinton admin. Only now, the water seems to be boiling hotter in those circles.

I did my tour of CDS during his first term. Lucky for me, I was able to pull my head out of my ass early on and break ties with other CDS sufferers that I temporarily hung with. It's bad craziness.

And the black helicopters were present then as well. So was Alex Jones. And the only ounce of credit I can possibly, reluctantly give Jones is that he is consistent. He is non-partisan in his ranting. He is bat shit crazy regardless of which party occupies the oval office. I still can't stand him.

The ones I can stand even less than Jones (and only by a tiny fraction, because fuck Alex Jones) are the ones who are partisan moonbats. The ones who only buy into the conspiracy mongering garbage when the opposition party is in the oval office, while ridiculing those who spout the same exact crap when their "hero" is in.

And those kind of Animal Farm Ideologues exist in noticeable quantities on either side. I have no use for people who think in such ways. A pox on both their dog houses.

801 Desert Dog  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 10:48:44pm

re: #796 freetoken

Just got to say... Matthews actually got me to chuckle. Many people here may despise him, but he knows what he is doing, and getting the gun-slinger to own up to reading 'nirther material and voting for Ron Paul, so early in the conversation, was brilliant.

He's a smart guy, but if you know your stuff, he is not so studly.

802 Last Mohican  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 10:49:33pm

re: #792 Gus 802

I'm not sure this applies. Was Kostric in any cordoned-off area? I thought he was only outside of the event. And I don't see how he intended to disrupt the event, or succeeded in disrupting the event. All he did was stand there with his gun and his sign about how the president should be shot.

803 realwest  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 10:50:27pm

re: #801 Desert Dog
You are absolutely the ONLY person I know of who used "studly" to describe Chris Matthews!

804 Semi Cartman  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 10:51:08pm

re: #559 The Shadow Do

I know this is the usual pap about guns, but it is true nonetheless.


Not pap, but truth. If I knew how to fly an airplane, I'd skywrite it over Chicago weekly. Carbon footprint be damned.

As for the controversy surrounding the clown with the firearm, a better red herring than this couldn't have been manufactured by all the networks combined. Rather than focus on this monstrosity of a bill, and the wretched excuses for humanity who are trying to foist it on a disillusioned public, we get this. If the cops really wanted to arrest this guy, a 'disturbing the peace' beef would keep him in jail until a judge set the terms. Instead he's on TV (I know, it's MSNBC, but technically it's still television) as the representative of all who disagree with the campaign for the bill. This is getting crazy. It is not the public, or me, or the "right wing" that's cracking up, though. It's others, who I dare not name, who seem to have bitten off far more than they can chew.

805 Gus  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 10:51:27pm

re: #798 realwest

Hi Gus! Good find, great link! So how did William Kostric pull it off?
USSS stretched too thinly?

Hi Realwest. I was thinking about what law might supersede state laws for the Secret Service while engaged in the protective service. The USSS might have been lax in this matter and perhaps Kostric didn't fall into the "protective" zone. If he did then it would be a matter of them arresting him for a felony "while willfully, knowingly, and with intent to impede or disrupt the orderly conduct of Government business or official functions" and carrying a firearm while committing said act(s).

It's probably more nuanced then this and would result in his eventual release but the law is rather clear according to the US Code.

806 Last Mohican  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 10:51:35pm

re: #801 Desert Dog

He's a smart guy, but if you know your stuff, he is not so studly.

I thought Matthews could have done that "ambush interview" a lot better. Why just out of the blue whom the man voted for? Why ask if he was a nirther? He was clearly just fishing blindly for embarrassing statements.

807 realwest  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 10:51:47pm

re: #802 Last Mohican
"All he did was stand there with his gun and his sign about how the president should be shot."
Well alrighty then, nothing to see here, just move along...
/

808 Sharmuta  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 10:51:48pm

re: #800 Slumbering Behemoth

A most excellent rant, {Sleepy B}.

809 Desert Dog  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 10:52:34pm

re: #803 realwest

You are absolutely the ONLY person I know of who used "studly" to describe Chris Matthews!

Poor choice of words, fer sure. But, when he gets someone like the clueless Mr. Kostric served up on a silver platter like he did, even old' tingly legs could come across as dragon slayer.

810 Cato the Elder  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 10:52:38pm

re: #806 Last Mohican

I thought Matthews could have done that "ambush interview" a lot better. Why just out of the blue whom the man voted for? Why ask if he was a nirther? He was clearly just fishing blindly for embarrassing statements.

Um, right, because just being that loser ain't embarrassing enough...

811 NY Nana  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 10:52:51pm

G'nite, Lizards, sweet dreams. I am off to sleep, perchance to dream, and hope I can get into bed while I am still awake!

I have to be vewwy, vewwy careful!

812 Wendya  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 10:53:00pm

re: #798 realwest

Hi Gus! Good find, great link! So how did William Kostric pull it off?
USSS stretched too thinly?

He was probably far enough from the protected area that he didn't constitute a legal threat. I can't imagine he was anywhere near the motorcade or close enough to the event to have presented an imminent threat. The constitution doesn't protect you in those cases.

813 Desert Dog  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 10:55:22pm

re: #806 Last Mohican

I thought Matthews could have done that "ambush interview" a lot better. Why just out of the blue whom the man voted for? Why ask if he was a nirther? He was clearly just fishing blindly for embarrassing statements.

He held him in such contempt, he was probably trying his best not to go all spontaneous human combustion on him. You could see the disdain dripping off of Chrissy's makeup.

814 realwest  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 10:56:29pm

Well y'all it's been interesting, but I gotta get some sleep!
Hope you all have a great evening/early morning and that I get the chance to see you all down the road.

Good night, all.

815 Sharmuta  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 10:56:52pm

re: #804 Semi Cartman

It is not the public, or me, or the "right wing" that's cracking up, though. It's others, who I dare not name, who seem to have bitten off far more than they can chew.

What's that supposed to mean?

816 Gus  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 10:57:26pm

re: #802 Last Mohican

I'm not sure this applies. Was Kostric in any cordoned-off area? I thought he was only outside of the event. And I don't see how he intended to disrupt the event, or succeeded in disrupting the event. All he did was stand there with his gun and his sign about how the president should be shot.

Right. He would have to be within a protective zone I assume and "while willfully, knowingly, and with intent to impede or disrupt the orderly conduct of Government business or official functions"

Of course there's also US Code Title 18, 3056 which says:

§ 3056. Powers, authorities, and duties of United States Secret Service

(C) make arrests without warrant for any offense against the United States committed in their presence, or for any felony cognizable under the laws of the United States if they have reasonable grounds to believe that the person to be arrested has committed or is committing such felony;

817 Cato the Elder  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 10:58:13pm

OK, before I fall to the floor:

The antediluvian far right
Has told all their dupes they must go fight
For something that passed
Ere the first lot was cast.
Do not fret, you're just one more poor dumb shite.

818 Last Mohican  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 11:00:51pm

re: #815 Sharmuta

What's that supposed to mean?

It's a semi-flounce.

819 victor_yugo  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 11:03:39pm

This Cato the Elder speaks well
Of those souls bent on going to Hell
In a form so capricious
It's almost mendrecious
When I try to mimic his excellent...

Aw. shit.

820 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 11:03:48pm

re: #804 Semi Cartman

Do they know Irena?

///

821 Gus  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 11:03:56pm

re: #818 Last Mohican

It's a semi-flounce.

Is that like a flaccid flounce!? /

People are always like that. The subject might be about a "tornado that hit Topeka, Kansas" and then they'll come along and say something to the effect of "how dare you talk about a tornado in Kansas when a typhoon just hit Japan!"

822 victor_yugo  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 11:04:51pm

re: #820 LudwigVanQuixote

Do they know Irena?

///

I remember Masha.

Damn, that was a fine summer romance.

823 MrPaulRevere  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 11:05:20pm

re: #818 Last Mohican

"It's a semi-flounce." Is that like a half-gainer?

824 victor_yugo  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 11:05:43pm

re: #823 MrPaulRevere

Or a half-Nelson?

825 Cato the Elder  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 11:06:45pm

re: #824 victor_yugo

Or a half-Nelson?

Half-witted, for certain.

826 victor_yugo  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 11:07:15pm

re: #825 Cato the Elder

Half-witted, for certain.

And half-assed, too.

827 MrPaulRevere  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 11:07:38pm

Seriously, someone should inform the gun-toting Paulbot that with rights come responsibilities.

828 esch  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 11:08:19pm

//Paranoia on
I think they let him go because they know about 10000 pissed off union guys now know where this guy lives. Easier that way.
//Paranoia off

829 Gus  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 11:10:13pm

re: #828 esch

//Paranoia on
I think they let him go because they know about 10000 pissed off union guys now know where this guy lives. Easier that way.
//Paranoia off

The Bilderberg Blackhawks are hovering above and the CFR microwaves are targeting his home!

//

830 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 11:10:22pm

re: #822 victor_yugo

I remember Masha.

Damn, that was a fine summer romance.

Was she the one from the biologist Maoist collective that promoted stem cell research, or was that the Masha from the strict Stalinist population eugenics and psychology collective that was working on finding ways to convince the elderly that they want to be euthanized for the good of the state?

831 Last Mohican  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 11:10:45pm

re: #826 victor_yugo

And half-assed, too.

Maybe half of what former LGF user Cartman would have said, if he weren't blocked?

832 MandyManners  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 11:12:17pm

re: #822 victor_yugo

I remember Masha.

Damn, that was a fine summer romance.

"MASHA! MASHA! MASHA!"

Guess who?

833 MandyManners  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 11:13:19pm

re: #811 NY Nana

I'm gonna' drop you a line from my yahoo account tomorrow.

834 Last Mohican  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 11:13:32pm

re: #832 MandyManners

"MASHA! MASHA! MASHA!"

Guess who?

Jan Brady's cousin from Boston?

835 Cato the Elder  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 11:14:57pm

re: #828 esch

//Paranoia on
I think they let him go because they know about 10000 pissed off union guys now know where this guy lives. Easier that way.
//Paranoia off

Not.

He'll die of old age and chronic stupidity at the hands of a jealous Stormfront husband whose preferred granddaughter he's bonking.

836 esch  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 11:17:33pm

re: #835 Cato the Elder

Heh.

Let's hope you're right. (or at least much closer)

837 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 11:20:44pm

re: #808 Sharmuta

I would have liked it more if you referred to it as a polemic, but I will take what I can get. {smooch!}

I once had a subscription to Playboy, but I let it expire. I get that they would have something of a liberal slant, considering their product, but they took liberal and barged right into ideologue leftist.

My distaste for their publication started with their "OMG! Those idiot militia types we used to ridicule as balls out crazy for their 'black helicopters' and 'FEMA concentration camps' during the Clinton admin. are now totally spot on and relevant under this Bush admin.", and ended with their fluff piece on domestic terrorist Rodney Coranado's right to free speech.

I can not stand the partisan nincompoopery of Animal Farm Ideologues.

/I would have canceled my subscription, but what red blooded, American, hetero male wants to be the only dude in the nation, perhaps the world, to ever cancel a subscription to Playboy that is already paid for?

838 MandyManners  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 11:20:48pm

I'm going back to bed but I'll leave this little tune.


839 victor_yugo  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 11:21:23pm

re: #830 LudwigVanQuixote

Was she the one from the biologist Maoist collective that promoted stem cell research, or was that the Masha from the strict Stalinist population eugenics and psychology collective that was working on finding ways to convince the elderly that they want to be euthanized for the good of the state?

Neither. She was born near Kazan under Brezhnev, attained adulthood under Gorbachev, and still retained a lot of the Soviet fatalism. But she escorted two Russian Orthodox icons back to their proper home (I was their last custodian while in exile), so perhaps the Lord will hold that in her favor on Judgment Day.

re: #834 Last Mohican

Jan Brady's cousin from Boston?

ROFLMFAO!1!1!1one

840 Cato the Elder  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 11:21:30pm

re: #835 Cato the Elder

Not.

He'll die of old age and chronic stupidity at the hands of a jealous Stormfront husband whose preferred granddaughter he's bonking.

Must be time for bed.

I meant to say "[...] of shotgun wounds [...] at the hands of a jealous Stormfront patriarch [...]".

Either that, or one of Obama's Death Panels.

G'night.

841 victor_yugo  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 11:23:16pm

re: #837 Slumbering Behemoth

/I would have canceled my subscription, but what red blooded, American, hetero male wants to be the only dude in the nation, perhaps the world, to ever cancel a subscription to Playboy that is already paid for?

Smart dudes pay cash for it at the local 7-11.

842 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 11:25:05pm

re: #841 victor_yugo

Smart dudes pay cash for it at the local 7-11.

Ha! Smarter dude get that shit for free on the interwebs.

/learned my lesson...

843 Dancing along the light of day  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 11:28:06pm

re: #742 realwest

Hello, my friend! I hope today finds you well!

844 I Need A Bigger Gun  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 11:37:28pm

re: #59 Charles

I'd hope all responsible gun owners would condemn this kind of idiocy.


Hell yes I condemn it. I wouldn't bring my gun into a freaking Wal-Mart, much less in the vicinity of the POTUS. The Secret Service seems to have a problem with loaded handguns in his general area.

845 SixDegrees  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 11:49:04pm

re: #674 Pawn of the Oppressor

Even though carry in NYC will never happen, I have to admit, the idea of eight million gun-ignorant New Yorkers being allowed to legally carry handguns frightens me. I'm thinking, like, weekly double-digit body counts from negligent discharges... If there was to be a blanket federal CHL, it would need to come with big fat training subsidies for the left coast city dwellers! Yeesh.

Fair enough. But when we got a state-wide concealed carry law here in Michigan, it came with a mandatory training requirement whose cost is born by applicants. It's a pretty rigorous course, including safety, maintenance and legal education.

Similar predictions - the cities will be ankle deep in blood, etc. - were made prior to passage. It's been in place for several years now, and shootings went way down immediately after it was passed - criminals apparently think twice now when anyone in the store or on the street may not only be carrying, but may actually know how to use a gun.

846 SixDegrees  Tue, Aug 11, 2009 11:53:39pm

re: #83 Charles

I'm a gun owner, by the way. The retired sergeant who taught my ROTC gun safety class in high school would have beaten that Ron Paul-voting "sovereign citizen" loser into a pulp, the first time he showed a sign of acting like that.

"Sovereign citizen"? That's a blast from the past. The reactionary anti-tax loons in our area used to refer to themselves with that description 25 years ago, when they were caught shoplifting in the store I was working at, as a justification for stealing merchandise. The rationalization was that the state sales tax (and all other taxes) were illegal, based on some process that didn't quite rise to the level of "thought", so they had been "overcharged" for years and were simply taking back what they were owed in goods instead of cash.

Sounds like the Ronulans have made a new set of friends out there on the fringe.

847 SixDegrees  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 12:05:24am

re: #116 ladycatnip

#99 Flyovercountry

Hmmm, he definitely looked and sounded stupid enough to be a leftist. Maybe we should read Alinsky's rules to see whether this is a tactic or not, as I wouldn't put this past them - a little digging would shed the light on this.

Either way, left-nut or right-wingnut, he should be in jail for taking a gun to the location where our president would be. I'd see that as a definite threat.

Actually, the sign itself is more than enough to be construed as a threat, and is sufficient just cause to lock this troglodyte in a basement somewhere for a few hours, until the POTUS is well out of the area.

848 mrbaracuda  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 12:09:10am

Did anyone see it coming that the Paultards happens to be a nutjob? :-D

849 Fiery Red XIII  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 12:39:41am

Why is following laws and being armed bad? Why is open carry bad, but concealed ok? He was not at the meeting, he was blocks down the road. He had a permit and the gun was his, he had permission to be on THAT property (NOT the property that BHO was speaking at). Hell, all the police and Secret Service had guns MUCH closer to the president. I'm sorry, but I don't understand the big deal about this. He obeyed the law, was NOT at that meeting, was checked out by police (trust me, that means the USSS knew too), and was peaceful, though I admit his sign was stoopid (Alice Cooper spelling intentional). Who he voted for doesn't matter, Chris Matthews doesn't matter. Move on, grow up, and learn that guns aren't evil, even ones visible but holstered. Pay attention to the real news, like BHO saying repeatedly that he "will not sign a bill that adds to the deficit".


Red

850 SixDegrees  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 1:27:52am

re: #849 Fiery Red XIII

He was carrying a sign which was an implicit threat against the President's life, and he was carrying a gun.

More then enough reason to haul his dumb ass in for a long enough period of questioning to ensure that the President was somewhere else by the time it ended.

851 haakondahl  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 1:48:50am

re: #83 Charles

I'm a gun owner, by the way. The retired sergeant who taught my ROTC gun safety class in high school would have beaten that Ron Paul-voting "sovereign citizen" loser into a pulp, the first time he showed a sign of acting like that.

You mean that's not a violin in the case?

852 BARACK THE VOTE  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 1:49:44am

re: #846 SixDegrees

"Sovereign citizen"? That's a blast from the past. The reactionary anti-tax loons in our area used to refer to themselves with that description 25 years ago, when they were caught shoplifting in the store I was working at, as a justification for stealing merchandise. The rationalization was that the state sales tax (and all other taxes) were illegal, based on some process that didn't quite rise to the level of "thought", so they had been "overcharged" for years and were simply taking back what they were owed in goods instead of cash.

Sounds like the Ronulans have made a new set of friends out there on the fringe.

The Soveriegn Citizen movement has been making a comeback.
[Link: www.adl.org...]

I believe, although I'd have to check, that Scott Roeder had some loose ties to them as well.

853 RebelDebater  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 5:20:43am

It was dumb for him to come with a gun. But OBVIOUSLY (for all you little sheep out there) it was clear that there was no security threat to POTUS. Otherwise the guy would have been on the ground in handcuffs in less than a second.

854 freetoken  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 5:48:03am

re: #853 RebelDebater

I But OBVIOUSLY (for all you little sheep out there) ...


855 BruxellesBlog  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 6:16:07am

re: #467 Charles

Charles, with all due respect, it is very possible to be concerned about the government's actions at Ruby Ridge and not be a racist. You are seriously engaging in a fairly egregious ad hominem attack with this line of reasoning. Randy Weaver was a POS, no doubt, but I think reasonable people can question what the government did at Ruby Ridge and not suddenly feel the need to join Aryan Nations, no?

The fact is nothing in what he said in the interview or his obvious concerns over civil liberties at Ruby Ridge can be construed as racist.

Is he a jerk? Sure, yes. But he wanted to prove a point, and, regardless of what a wennie he is, he did not break the law in NH. In addition, he was 75 yards from the event and the police and Secret Service determined he did not pose a threat. He had permission to be where he was standing on private property.
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856 BlueRoses  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 7:17:08am

re: #40 Mich-again

Cudos to Arlen Specter for how he handled the scene. And after the one ranting guy early on, I thought the people in the crowd displayed good behavior and the questions were respectful.

People are angry. Huge surprise.


I think these senators could also show the people attending respect by honestly answering their questions rather than bull shitting them.
A specific answer to a specific question would be quite a change.

857 BlueRoses  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 7:37:02am

re: #36 SanFranciscoZionist

Yeah, I wouldn't bet on him in a fight with some of these ladies.

Why are so many people frightened? Not by Obama per se. I personally like Obama but who will follow him? Can I trust the next guy? When government is trying to change a good portion of our economy and head in another direction maybe people do sound shrill and upset. And when they work up the courage to speak up they are criticized for sounding loud, shrill whatever word suits you?
People are frightened and upset both by this health care 'reform' and by the exploding deficit. Maybe they should be listened to and heeded.

I was forced to join Medicare as all people of a certain age are forced to join Medicare. There are healthy penalties if you don't join so in effect you are penalized for any delay in enrollment.
We pay $9,800.00 yearly for additional medical insurance to pay for what our 'free' Medicare doesn't cover. I can understand why angry and frightened people who may be on Medicare alone are standing up in town meetings and shouting .

858 Gus  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 7:44:11am

Right, sheep. I'm surprised he didn't use the Alex Jones versions of sheeple.

Interestingly enough the sign this mutant William Kostrick was holding had a link to a site called restoretherepublic dot com which of course is another front "group" for Ron Paul, nirthers, and other Bilderberg and conspiracy kooks. Found this garbage at their site by conspiracy nut, Des Griffin:

That the Rothschilds are Jewish and that their commitment has always been fully towards Judaism is of no doubt. Reports of Mayer Amschel Rothschild consulting and debating the Talmud on a regular basis with Orthodox Rabbis are recorded in Rothschild history, and subsequently, the Rothschilds became the primary moving force behind world Zionism (see the “Balfour Declaration”). Furthermore, in addition to all of the above, the pattern of historical Zionist successes in the 20th century clearly proves that the Rothschilds and their conspirators and collaborators are in control of the plan of the Illuminati for one-world government under the New World Order, and are the prevailing influence in the world since the beginning of the 19th century. And what better government to control could there be in the world for intrepid international financiers such as the Rothschilds and their conspirators and collaborators...

LUCIFERS NETWORK Masters Of The New World Order connects individuals, banks, oil cartels, foundations, organizations, corporations, and the main ringleaders who have NETWORKED the world into a MASTER PLAN for a NEW WORLD ORDER OF GLOBAL GOVERNMENT. Unlike other books about GLOBAL CONSPIRACIES, Sunstar#65533;s work is detailed, thorough, and will answer questions you have been asking about concerning CONSPIRACY THEORIES surrounding GLOBALIZATION.

Or more insane drivel from someone calling himself "Nick":

I have twice mentioned the fact that Obama is bringing in the whole cabal from the Clinton administration. Why? Waco, Oklahoma City, and Ruby Ridge just to name a couple of domestic terror activities perpetrated by these people. While Clinton portrayed himself as a man of the people, his staff of thugs was about the country murdering and terrorizing our fellow citizens, and gearing us up to perceive labels as reality rather than fact as the proof.

Obama wants to continue in the same mode. There is already talk about complete disarmament of the American people, with youth brigades patrolling the streets. These are not the ideas of a man who is for the people, or wishes to see them safe in their homes.

These are just a few examples found at that site which gives us another glimpse into the mind of William Kostric.

859 Perplexed  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 8:00:11am

You better watch out
You better not cry
Better not pout
I'm telling you why
Obama care is coming to town
He's making a list
And checking it twice;
Gonna find out Who's naughty and nice
Obama care is coming to town
He sees you when you're sleeping
He knows when you're awake
He knows if you've been bad or good
So be good for goodness sake!
O! You better watch out!
You better not cry
Better not pout
I'm telling you why
Obama care is coming to town

860 EaterOfFood  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 8:02:32am

re: #420 Charles

But when a white nationalist starts telling you about the Constitution, if you sit there and listen and nod your head you're an idiot.

As a Jew I can't even look at a white nationalist without shouting obscenities and worse.

861 Charles Johnson  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 8:30:19am

re: #777 rynloran

The dude's pretty smart. This whole "Har har, he voted Ron Paul, he must be a looney!" is pretty tired and stupid.

Mathews is being a ridiculous 'tard. We have a right to carry guns. Not our fault people are afraid of them.

I've seen people handle an intrusive interview far worse than this guy. Give him credit where it's due.

Get off my website. I'm tired of you people who make excuses for outrageous stunts like this.

862 Charles Johnson  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 8:32:59am

I just found a creep with the name "BlueRoses" who's been banned four times previously going through this thread and dinging up all the supporters of extremism. That account is now blocked.

863 Charles Johnson  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 8:34:56am

re: #813 Desert Dog

He held him in such contempt, he was probably trying his best not to go all spontaneous human combustion on him. You could see the disdain dripping off of Chrissy's makeup.

Matthews is absolutely right to hold this creep in contempt.

864 drcordell  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 8:38:49am

re: #863 Charles

Matthews is absolutely right to hold this creep in contempt.

Agreed. I still wish he would give some of these nuts a little bit of slack to hang themselves with their own rope before repeatedly shouting them down though. Let him get a word in first and then shout him down.

865 Drider  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 8:40:05am

This zoo stuff is just disgusting.
We need to sit back and calmly and passively ask questions while these politicians lie to their hearts content (See Obama's speech yesterday).

If we would just shut up and be respectful while they continue to crap on us we would have this large part of the socialized jigsaw puzzle in place and we can all get on with (whats left) of our lives.

Fuggin AstroTurfing, code pinker types...Like two peas in a pod.

Where's the /sarc button...I don't see a /sarc button!!

866 Charles Johnson  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 8:52:12am

re: #855 BruxellesBlog

Charles, with all due respect, it is very possible to be concerned about the government's actions at Ruby Ridge and not be a racist. You are seriously engaging in a fairly egregious ad hominem attack with this line of reasoning. Randy Weaver was a POS, no doubt, but I think reasonable people can question what the government did at Ruby Ridge and not suddenly feel the need to join Aryan Nations, no?

Sorry, but if you call Randy Weaver a "hero," then yes, you are absolutely supporting white supremacism. Weaver was a disgusting human being, regardless of the situation at Ruby Ridge, and anyone who thinks he was a hero is a racist by definition.

Is he a jerk? Sure, yes. But he wanted to prove a point, and, regardless of what a wennie he is, he did not break the law in NH. In addition, he was 75 yards from the event and the police and Secret Service determined he did not pose a threat. He had permission to be where he was standing on private property.

Only a fool or a psycho brings a loaded gun to a presidential event. Period.

867 jordash1212  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 10:08:52am

Arlen Specter just bumbled around and made everything worse.

868 Greengolem64  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 10:37:26am

re: #113 Sharmuta

One could say that maybe the LE types were "profiling" this guy?

Now, of course everyone has "profiling" right in there with all the other bad words...but, recognize that profiling is used ALL the time...not just in Law Enforcement but in all types of venues...and if done correctly can be a VERY effective tool.

The "problem" people seem to have (or think they have) with profiling is that they think profiling automatically leads to 'something bad', or singling out a specific group. Done properly, profiling would, as Sharmuta says, put this guy on a list to be watched. Nobody is infringing on his rights...but, if you do something this stupid expect to be watched...

v/r

GG

869 papajohn  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 10:37:52am

re: #861 Charles

Wow, really? Exercising our constitutional rights are "stupid stunts" now.

870 Charles Johnson  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 10:51:35am

re: #869 papajohn

Wow, really? Exercising our constitutional rights are "stupid stunts" now.

Are you nuts? You're seriously going to try to argue there's nothing wrong with carrying a loaded gun and a threatening sign to a presidential appearance?

871 papajohn  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 11:15:01am

If he was present at the meeting itself. Yeah, absolutely but as someone else already posted, he was 75 yards from the building. C'mon, you know you're just railing on him for being a paulian.

What really drums me is people agreeing with Mathews. That type of interview is deplorable and no matter what the issue is should never agreed with. Americans deserve more than 30 second sound bites and talking points. Just let the guy answer the questions FFS. If he is a dumbass then we can decide for ourselves after the guy opens his mouth.

872 gregb  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 11:15:31am

re: #1 BatGuano

Paulian, of course.

OMG! That's guy's a complete nutcase--if not a full borderline threat. As much as I can't stand Matthews, why did he even give him a platform to speak?

873 CommonCents  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 11:30:24am

re: #30 jcm

HCAN (Health Care for American Now)

Who are they?
ACORN
SEIU
and fellow travelers.

Nice list of communists. I've never heard of this group 'National Association to Advance Fat Acceptance'.

If we accept and it becomes the norm how does that bring down medical costs when proven research shows that obesity increases medical costs?

874 bubbasbbq  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 2:02:34pm

Being a NH gun dealer, I can say that. an out of state LTC license is $20 not $100.
Second, it IS legal to open carry, but I discourage all my customers from doing so. it is a good way to invite trouble, legal and otherwise.
And you don't want trouble, do you?

875 DM Glampers  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 2:19:58pm

Maybe I'm missing something, but if he were close enough to PresBO, wouldn't the secret service have had something to say about his sidearm?

I thought he was well-spoken and polite and carefully considered the questions being asked before answering.

I don't see how the fact he is a Ron Paul supporter has any bearing on the question at hand. (No, I am not one myself, promise. Really, check my posts (I know, it's been a while. I'm in a residency and have been only lurking lately.)

I've cringed more lately at people with whom I agree due to their lack of knowledge about the subject, their utter inability to craft a logical argument, or their overall chip-on-the-shoulder demeanor.

Give the guy a break. I have no reason to doubt his answers (yet).

I think he should have asked Chris if he may only exercise his 1st and 2nd amendment rights at different times. Before you come down on me, I know his sign was too provocative based on the fact he was packin' heat.

//Ramble off

876 y0kkles  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 2:41:27pm

Aren't most people on here best classified as libertarians or conservatives?

If so, wouldn't we mainly be against national health care?

Why then, are we spending all of this time bashing some of the protesters who are on the same side of the issue as us? Surely some are out of line, surely some hold other weird beliefs that we do not agree with. But this is a side issue. The argument needs to be shifted back to health care itself. Not the an argument about the protests.

So why aren't there any posts speaking out against this health care?

Also, for every person who gets out of line at one of these town halls, are there not 100 people who go and behave themselves? I would think so. So why are we falling for the left wing medias attempt to paint ALL of these people are radical nuts?

This is a red herring.

877 keithgabryelski  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 6:21:21pm

re: #876 y0kkles


So why aren't there any posts speaking out against this health care?

Read the front page. There is a article designed to ask questions about health care. This article is on crazies disrupting legitimate debate.

Also, for every person who gets out of line at one of these town halls, are there not 100 people who go and behave themselves? I would think so. So why are we falling for the left wing medias attempt to paint ALL of these people are radical nuts?

In this case, we have a man that has a gun prominently on display with a sign that advocates the assassination of a United States President.

Do you not consider that a worthy subject for discussion?

Just to catch you up:

His sign said:

It's time to refresh the tree of liberty

Which comes from Thomas Jefferson:

The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants.

Which just happened to be on the back of Tim McVeigh's t-shirt when he was captured.
[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

Do you not think this is a little interesting?

878 keithgabryelski  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 6:25:19pm

re: #871 papajohn

If he was present at the meeting itself. Yeah, absolutely but as someone else already posted, he was 75 yards from the building. C'mon, you know you're just railing on him for being a paulian.

He was opening threatening The President of the United States of America. Are you not concerned in the least?

What really drums me is people agreeing with Mathews. That type of interview is deplorable and no matter what the issue is should never agreed with. Americans deserve more than 30 second sound bites and talking points. Just let the guy answer the questions FFS. If he is a dumbass then we can decide for ourselves after the guy opens his mouth.

Actually, this guy did fine on Hardball. It's Matthews that is the problem. He didn't challenge his lame (and debunked) justifications that people would be safer if everyone carried a gun. DEBUNKED.

879 Charles Johnson  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 8:54:46pm

Un-freaking-believable.


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