About Media Double Standards

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Bill Sammon makes an excellent point about the blatant double standard of US media: Analysis: Press Largely Ignored Incendiary Rhetoric at Bush Protest.

As we’ve documented for years at LGF, the media did indeed cover up and obfuscate the true extent of the extremism at many left wing demonstrations. Sammon points out one especially egregious case, but there’s a lot more to the story.

To give just a few more examples, groups like International ANSWER were never investigated, kooks like Cindy Sheehan were shamelessly hyped and promoted, and we exposed a number of instances in which photographs had been cropped to hide extreme signs, or hate speech was described in neutral terms like, “Demonstrators chanted slogans.” (Then you find out the slogan was something like, “Wipe Israel off the map!”)

(But please note: this does not excuse the unruly behavior or the very real extremism we’ve seen at some recent town hall meetings.)

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283 comments
1 apachegunner  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 12:18:28pm

the media be dammed!

2 NoWhereAlaska  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 12:19:15pm

And the Damned be Media!

3 Shug  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 12:19:36pm
But please note this does not excuse the unruly behavior or the very real extremism we’ve seen at some recent town hall meetings

Thanks for that Charles. You are probably the fairest person on the internet.
I wish more people were as intellectually honest as you are in your coverage.

You call bullshit wherever it eminates

4 coldwarrior  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 12:19:43pm

lemme do some math here...

(435 congressmen + 100 senators)x 2 or so town hall meetings each=

roughly 1000 town hall meetings. thus far i have only seen nastyness at 10 to 20 of them if we throw out multiple problems at one meeting...

so...lets say 50 meetings had bad bevior out of all the meetings. we have overcoverage of boisterousness because it is news when there is shouting and violence, but it is not news when a meeting goes as planned. methinks we are over concerned about a very small percentage.

i gotta tee-time, so see all ya'all later.

*this is more pertinent here* FORE!

5 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 12:19:45pm

Wait, media bias?
/

6 HelloDare  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 12:20:00pm

Thank you, Charles.

7 MikeAlv77  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 12:20:00pm

You are correct Charles. This does NOT excuse bad behavior but it does show blatant media bias. Of course, some on this blog will say their is no media bias and they loved Bush forever and ever and only turned on him recently...

Color me skeptical...

8 Creeping Eruption  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 12:20:44pm

re: #1 apachegunner

the media be dammed!

re: #2 NoWhereAlaska

And the Damned be Media!

and Medea while you are at it!/

9 kansas  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 12:20:45pm

It is reassuring this fact is being pointed out. I think this double standard is at least in part related to the elevation of decibel level. Maybe time for some honesty? Course it's Bill Sammon saying this and not Matthews, Olby, Couric, Williams, Gibson, and on and on.

10 BlueCanuck  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 12:21:07pm

Of course since it's from Fox news the blog and analysis will be totally ignored.

11 apachegunner  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 12:21:10pm

re: #8 Creeping Eruption

and Medea while you are at it!/

hear, hear

12 MrSilverDragon  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 12:21:35pm

But, the problem isn't the media, it's the money driving the media! So, if we all cowtow to Obama's socialist ideals, it won't be a problem anymore!

(this is one of those times where I will absolutely make sure there's a sarc tag, because I wouldn't want anyone to think I'm that stupid.)

/

13 gregb  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 12:21:39pm

Like you said, just because someone else does it--doesn't make it right.

If your friends all jumped off a cliff? I can hear my Mom's voice now. :-)

14 Truck Monkey  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 12:22:03pm

Nuts are nuts whether they are on the ground or on a tree! Methinks there are quite a few more examples of nuttery on the left, but the right is trying to catch up.

15 kansas  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 12:22:27pm

re: #13 gregb

Like you said, just because someone else does it--doesn't make it right.

If your friends all jumped off a cliff? I can hear my Mom's voice now. :-)

Yeah, but if it results in them winning, then it sure is tempting.

16 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 12:22:43pm

The media is not biased!!
/cue the throbbing memo

17 MikeAlv77  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 12:23:04pm

re: #13 gregb

Like you said, just because someone else does it--doesn't make it right.

If your friends all jumped off a cliff? I can hear my Mom's voice now. :-)

not excusing it but...

I can understand some of the people wanting to do it back to the other side. Again, no excuse, but can understand the urge...

18 HelloDare  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 12:23:08pm

There's no doubt in my mind that Air America hosts made jokes about Bush's assassination that would not be tolerated today if they were made about Obama.

19 Shug  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 12:23:50pm

re: #18 HelloDare

There's no doubt in my mind that Air America hosts made jokes about Bush's assassination that would not be tolerated today if they were made about Obama.

However both would be wrong in doing so

20 kansas  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 12:24:04pm

re: #18 HelloDare

There's no doubt in my mind that Air America hosts made jokes about Bush's assassination that would not be tolerated today if they were made about Obama.

But that's because it would be racist./

21 Jetpilot1101  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 12:24:24pm

Extremism in any form is counterproductive, especially in this case when the Democrats are clearly going to use the unrully demonstrations as an excuse to push "healthcare reform" down our throats. I think a more productive use of time and energy would be for everyone who disagrees with these "reforms", print out HR3200 and show up to the TH with it in had prepared to ask a question about something that is written in the bill. Tough questions work much better then yelling and screaming. Sure I'm angry at what our government is doing but that anger is not an excuse to divorce myself from sanity and run around like a right wing goon calling for the forceable eviction of sitting legislators. Assuming that people really are angry, democrats and republicans, remember that 2010 is not too far off and the chance to change the balance of power in DC lies in our hands.

22 CyanSnowHawk  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 12:24:25pm

re: #13 gregb

Like you said, just because someone else does it--doesn't make it right.

If your friends all jumped off a cliff? I can hear my Mom's voice now. :-)

Haha! I've done that. We call it The Clam, it's a small cliff on the shore in La Jolla CA. But all my friends jumped off it, so I did too.

23 LGoPs  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 12:25:17pm

Liberals for most of my life have been screaming about and demanding a level playing field. And yet they have the most skewed playing field in the area that it most counts - media coverage and the public perception that it manipulates and influences.
Any fucking wonder that President Bush's poll numbers rival Hitler's? Hmmm?

24 Cato the Elder  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 12:25:59pm

How many potential assassins were disarmed at Bush appearances? Serious question, not snark. I have no idea.

25 kansas  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 12:26:14pm

re: #21 Jetpilot1101

Extremism in any form is counterproductive, especially in this case when the Democrats are clearly going to use the unrully demonstrations as an excuse to push "healthcare reform" down our throats. I think a more productive use of time and energy would be for everyone who disagrees with these "reforms", print out HR3200 and show up to the TH with it in had prepared to ask a question about something that is written in the bill. Tough questions work much better then yelling and screaming. Sure I'm angry at what our government is doing but that anger is not an excuse to divorce myself from sanity and run around like a right wing goon calling for the forceable eviction of sitting legislators. Assuming that people really are angry, democrats and republicans, remember that 2010 is not too far off and the chance to change the balance of power in DC lies in our hands.

JP, a doc in Missouri tried that at Senator McCaskills town hall. She told him what he was reading wasn't in her bill. That is the house bill, and apparently there are several versions. Plus HR3200 is 1017 pages. I got it in PDF on the desktop for quick reference, but it's too big to read through.

26 NukeAtomrod  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 12:26:17pm

Very nice post, Charles. Thank you.

27 HelloDare  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 12:26:57pm

re: #19 Shug

Of course.

28 latingent  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 12:27:27pm

The media is a one way street. I wonder if they`re getting at least a little nervous about being relevant. I for one dont consider what they say as truth anymore, in fact if they told me it was daytime outside I`d go look first.

29 Jetpilot1101  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 12:28:04pm

re: #25 kansas

JP, a doc in Missouri tried that at Senator McCaskills town hall. She told him what he was reading wasn't in her bill. That is the house bill, and apparently there are several versions. Plus HR3200 is 1017 pages. I got it in PDF on the desktop for quick reference, but it's too big to read through.

Does anyone know exactly how many bills are out there?

30 Shug  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 12:29:04pm

re: #29 Jetpilot1101

Does anyone know exactly how many bills are out there?

we need a Bill Czar

31 Jetpilot1101  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 12:29:37pm

re: #30 Shug

we need a Bill Czar

How about Bill's cigar?

32 turn  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 12:30:11pm

I don't normally upding main page posts, but I did this time. This left wing media bias issue has been bothering me for a long time. btw it's fun to go look at who dings what, you always end up finding like minded lizards.

33 Dianna  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 12:30:31pm

re: #29 Jetpilot1101

Does anyone know exactly how many bills are out there?

At last count, I believe it was four.

34 apachegunner  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 12:30:42pm

re: #31 Jetpilot1101

How about Bill's cigar?


I like rum soaked. wonder how that one tasted, hmmm?

35 Kenneth  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 12:30:56pm

Soros Compares President Bush To Nazis

And Olbermann comparing Bush to Hitler..

And Olbermann again "Bush the Nazi"

36 HelloDare  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 12:31:15pm

re: #30 Shug

we need a Bill Czar

That's coming. Right after Obama appoints his Astroturf Czar.

37 kansas  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 12:31:21pm

re: #33 Dianna

At last count, I believe it was four.

So I asked this before, exactly what the heck was supposed to pass before the August recess? Is it any wonder people are pissed?

38 [deleted]  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 12:31:23pm
39 _RememberTonyC  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 12:31:25pm

I've worked in the media for more than 30 years. I have worked in many different newsrooms both local and national. And I can say without any question that the media is overwhelmingly "left of center." And while many of these folks are well intentioned in many ways, it is simply impossible to expect them to totally keep their bias from seeping into their reporting and coverage. Some are "over the top" liberal and some are only slightly so. A handful are right of center but very few are hard right. I don't talk much politics at work because I know that I will make enemies that I don't need. And while many "liberals" believe they are tolerant people, I can tell you first hand that only a few really give the "other side" a fair shake.

40 Ben Hur  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 12:32:08pm

Teh Left bowed, too!

41 HelloDare  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 12:32:21pm

Among the most vital tenets of Alinsky’s method were the following:

* “Make the enemy live up to their own book of rules. You can kill them with this, for they can no more live up to their own rules than the Christian Church can live up to Christianity.”[75]
* “No organization, including organized religion, can live up to the letter of its own book. You can club them to death with their ‘book’ of rules and regulations.”

42 LGoPs  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 12:33:00pm

In further comparison to Sammon's article, the protesters I have seen at these town halls have been mostly elderly people. Firm and loud perhaps but not very physically intimidating. Sammon's article depicts out and out thugs and goons.

43 Dianna  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 12:33:50pm

re: #37 kansas

It's a very pertinent question. Further, it points up what Buzzsawmonkey asked yesterday: Why sacrifice clarity for speed? I do not understand this haste, and it makes me very nervous.

44 John Neverbend  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 12:33:52pm

re: #10 BlueCanuck

Of course since it's from Fox news the blog and analysis will be totally ignored.

Perhaps not. It's almost worth watching Keith Overbite and Rachel Madcow to see if they try to poke fun at the report.

45 [deleted]  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 12:33:53pm
46 NukeAtomrod  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 12:34:53pm

The media is a fucking disgrace. It's good to see some light shined upon them.

47 Conservative in Liberal Hands  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 12:35:28pm

re: #41 HelloDare

HD -

Alinsky's rules work when your opponent can be made to be accountable to their own rules. The Left doesn't seem bothered by small problems like accountability and truth.

48 Athos  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 12:35:49pm

FNC broadcasting live the Medal of Freedom award ceremony at the WH...among the recipients - Mary Robinson, UN stooge and anti-semite.

Pathetic.

49 jim in virginia  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 12:35:49pm

Help me please! I'm stuck in France and the only English language TV is CNN Europe. It makes CNN US look like reactionaries.
Other than that we're having a great time. We come home tomorrow.

50 _RememberTonyC  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 12:36:20pm

re: #45 buzzsawmonkey

I think the phrase you are looking for is "rabid, closed-minded attack dogs," but I could, of course, be wrong.

there are some attack dogs, for sure. but not everyone is like keith dobermann.

51 Athos  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 12:37:03pm

re: #39 _RememberTonyC

Tolerance and understanding apparently only apply if you agree with them. If you disagree, then you are an extremist and agitator.

52 kansas  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 12:37:05pm

re: #44 John Neverbend

Perhaps not. It's almost worth watching Keith Overbite and Rachel Madcow to see if they try to poke fun at the report.

I wasn't even tempted to click on you tube links with Olby's name near them. Just too painful.

53 Ben Hur  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 12:37:11pm

re: #49 jim in virginia

Help me please! I'm stuck in France and the only English language TV is CNN Europe. It makes CNN US look like reactionaries.
Other than that we're having a great time. We come home tomorrow.


CNN INTL is worse than the BBC.

54 HelloDare  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 12:37:28pm

I'd like to see a piece of real Astroturf™ photoshopped on David Axelrod's head as as toupee. It's just screaming for one.

55 shiplord kirel  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 12:38:01pm

The media are the enemy. They are not the free press of the Founding Fathers, they are an unelected, unaccountable shadow government pursuing their own agenda. Conversely, they are not the propaganda arm of the political left, taking orders from some evil cabal of Soros style masterminds now that the Kremlin has stopped paying.

It is the other way around; the left as we know it today is the political arm of this media industrial complex, the vehicle by which media culture values and objectives are inserted into the realm of governance.

The key to overcoming media bias is understanding that bias in and of itself is not a problem. The notion of a neutral and unbiased press would have been quite alien to the Founding Fathers.
The biases of today's mainstream media would be worthless if they were not concealed behind an increasingly ludicrous pretense of objectivity and neutrality. In that respect, the self-declared objectivity, and therefore, the authority, of the media industrial are a sham and a fraud.

Today, this is picture is changing. The media faction built around right-wing talk radio has ceased to be a dissident non-conformist group within the larger complex and has become a major element of the media complex, and This is reflected in the development of its own political arm, the disruptive lunatic fringe so much evidence at recent town hall meetings.

56 jim in virginia  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 12:38:26pm

re: #43 Dianna

Why sacrifice clarity for speed? I do not understand this haste, and it makes me very nervous.


The same reason the last bailout bill had to be passed in a hurry. Delay, and people will have a chance to read the details. (Wherein lies the devil.)

57 itellu3times  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 12:38:49pm

I'm going to wait until they get to triple standards, and then sell.

58 Athos  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 12:39:17pm

re: #55 shiplord kirel

The key to overcoming media bias is understanding that bias in and of itself is not a problem. The notion of a neutral and unbiased press would have been quite alien to the Founding Fathers.
The biases of today's mainstream media would be worthless if they were not concealed behind an increasingly ludicrous pretense of objectivity and neutrality. In that respect, the self-declared objectivity, and therefore, the authority, of the media industrial are a sham and a fraud.

Ding Ding Ding - Upding

59 [deleted]  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 12:39:42pm
60 HelloDare  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 12:40:01pm

re: #47 Conservative in Liberal Hands

HD -

Alinsky's rules work when your opponent can be made to be accountable to their own rules. The Left doesn't seem bothered by small problems like accountability and truth.

The press doesn't seem to be bothered by the Left's problems with accountability and truth. That's the problem.

61 Ben Hur  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 12:40:08pm

re: #55 shiplord kirel

They use FoxNews, etc as a reason not to hide it anymore.

62 turn  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 12:40:42pm

On media bias, from Goldberg's "A Slobbering Love Affair" quoting Fred Barnes:

"Now Barack Obama comes along, though, and here is a guy who is presenting himself as someone who is bipartisan, bring us together, unify the country, change, hope. And yet his political record is one of great partisanship, of liberal ideology, being a part of a Chicago machine. And yet the press has made no effort to square those things, to ask questions about why we should believe Obama now and what he says, because what he has done in the past is so different."

Goldberg adds:

Eventually, over the next four years, we will discover who Obama really is. But wouldn't it have been useful if we had a responsible media that asked the hard questions and revealed the truth about this man, whatever it may be, before the became the leader of our nation?

spit ...

63 Spider Mensch  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 12:40:42pm

re: #49 jim in virginia

Help me please! I'm stuck in France and the only English language TV is CNN Europe. It makes CNN US look like reactionaries.
Other than that we're having a great time. We come home tomorrow.

turn off the tv and go enjoy a glass of wine with your significant other.

64 jim in virginia  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 12:40:44pm

re: #53 Ben Hur
"Quest on business" is more annoying than Olberman. Not necessarily from what he says but his mannerisms.

65 kansas  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 12:40:45pm

re: #43 Dianna

It's a very pertinent question. Further, it points up what Buzzsawmonkey asked yesterday: Why sacrifice clarity for speed? I do not understand this haste, and it makes me very nervous.

Looks like the UN is in hurry up mode to save the planet. Must be reading Alinsky/Obama.

66 Shug  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 12:41:30pm

re: #54 HelloDare

I'd like to see a piece of real Astroturf™ photoshopped on David Axelrod's head as as toupee. It's just screaming for one.

Assholeturf

67 Conservative in Liberal Hands  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 12:42:05pm

re: #55 shiplord kirel

Shiplord -

Not sure that I agree with your analysis. The number and size of MSM outlets are shrinking - especially in the print arena. And if you look inside the numbers, CBS, NBC, CNN, ABC, et al are loosing viewers and ad revenues. I may be wroing in this, but I believe that the sponsors are slowly holding their media outlets responsible for poor & biased reporting...

68 jim in virginia  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 12:42:10pm

re: #63 Spider Mensch

turn off the tv and go enjoy a glass of wine with your significant other.


Already done that, back at hotel packing to go home. Yay!

69 ointmentfly  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 12:42:17pm

Of course there is a double standard.. The MSM knows there is a double standard, but the ends justifiies the means on the left. Eliminating every ill and injustice in America is the goal, so what is wrong with being a lunatic about that?

70 turn  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 12:42:36pm

re: #62 turn

I might add that it only took six month to figure out O's socialist agenda ... not four.

71 Athos  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 12:42:43pm

re: #60 HelloDare

The press doesn't seem to be bothered by the Left's problems with accountability and truth. That's the problem.

Accountability and truth are not the main issues - its the advancement of the issues and the enactment of the agenda that counts. The press is just one major aspect of the propaganda effort to influence how people view issues. It's no longer inform and provide a check / balance - it's influence, direct, and spur people to enact the desired action.

Remember, to the left, the average person is incapable of making cogent decisions, therefore, they have to be told what to do.

72 Pianobuff  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 12:43:01pm

re: #55 shiplord kirel

The media are the enemy. They are not the free press of the Founding Fathers, they are an unelected, unaccountable shadow government pursuing their own agenda. Conversely, they are not the propaganda arm of the political left, taking orders from some evil cabal of Soros style masterminds now that the Kremlin has stopped paying.

It is the other way around; the left as we know it today is the political arm of this media industrial complex, the vehicle by which media culture values and objectives are inserted into the realm of governance.

The key to overcoming media bias is understanding that bias in and of itself is not a problem. The notion of a neutral and unbiased press would have been quite alien to the Founding Fathers.
The biases of today's mainstream media would be worthless if they were not concealed behind an increasingly ludicrous pretense of objectivity and neutrality. In that respect, the self-declared objectivity, and therefore, the authority, of the media industrial are a sham and a fraud.

Today, this is picture is changing. The media faction built around right-wing talk radio has ceased to be a dissident non-conformist group within the larger complex and has become a major element of the media complex, and This is reflected in the development of its own political arm, the disruptive lunatic fringe so much evidence at recent town hall meetings.

And the "old media" was admittedly bias and were witting accomplices unworried about maintaining a perception of impartiality. In relative terms, the notion of "just the facts, let the public decide" is a new thing, and a smokescreen at that. Biased reporting under the guise of unbiased journalism IMO is sleazier than open bias.

73 HelloDare  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 12:43:35pm

re: #66 Shug

Assholeturf

Sure. Sort of a monokini.

74 Conservative in Liberal Hands  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 12:43:58pm

re: #60 HelloDare

The press doesn't seem to be bothered by the Left's problems with accountability and truth. That's the problem.

Amen, Brother!

75 voirdire  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 12:44:25pm

The Devil and the media . . .

76 apachegunner  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 12:44:53pm

re: #72 Pianobuff

And the "old media" was admittedly bias and were witting accomplices unworried about maintaining a perception of impartiality. In relative terms, the notion of "just the facts, let the public decide" is a new thing, and a smokescreen at that. Biased reporting under the guise of unbiased journalism IMO is sleazier than open bias.

that begs the question; when did universities stop teach impartiality in journalism or did they ever?

77 HelloDare  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 12:45:18pm

I feel bad for Obama. His days as a community organizer never prepared him for this. /

78 [deleted]  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 12:45:18pm
79 wiffersnapper  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 12:45:23pm

If it weren't for double standards, liberals wouldn't have any.

80 kansas  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 12:45:30pm

re: #70 turn

I might add that it only took six month to figure out O's socialist agenda ... not four.

But he was still elected and continues to have pretty high approval rating with certain demographics.

81 Athos  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 12:45:32pm

re: #67 Conservative in Liberal Hands

I think its less the sponsors and more the mainstream consumers who have decided that they have tired of the bias, of the condescending attitude, and the basic lack of respect to their intelligence. Ratings and subscriptions falling were the trigger.

82 Ben Hur  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 12:45:57pm

re: #64 jim in virginia

"Quest on business" is more annoying than Olberman. Not necessarily from what he says but his mannerisms.


You of course have heard about his arrest in central park.

CNN personality Richard Quest was busted in Central Park early yesterday with some drugs in his pocket, a rope around his neck that was tied to his genitals, and a sex toy in his boot, law-enforcement sources said

[Link: www.nypost.com...]

Someday the Media will hold themselves to the same standard they hold Rep politicians.

Actually, no they won't.

83 [deleted]  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 12:46:09pm
84 HelloDare  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 12:46:24pm

re: #78 buzzsawmonkey

It's amazing how slugs shrivel when you hit 'em with that grain of salt, isn't it?

And bloodsuckers.

85 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 12:46:47pm

sorry 'bout this but..
OT-Please wish me luck. I don't want to jinx anything, but please wish me luck.
See ya'll in a bit.

86 apachegunner  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 12:46:56pm

re: #80 kansas

But he was still elected and continues to have pretty high approval rating with certain demographics.


i think of it as large nests of vermin

87 sattv4u2  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 12:47:14pm

People,

in my capacity at work for the last 25 or so years, especially the job I have had for the last 11, I get to see a LOT of unedited footage going to CNN, ABC, FOX, NBC, CBS, Bloomberg, et al.

The difference between what ends up on the "cutting rooms floor" and what is aired from the Clinton years to the Bush years to now is frightening

Tp paraphrase, those that control the video editing machines control history (and the present)

88 voirdire  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 12:47:15pm

Didn't Mike Wallace say that he thought of himself as a journalist before an American?

89 zelnaga  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 12:47:17pm

Even Michael Moore's Fahrenheit 9/11 documents the unruly behavior of the left. It just puts a hypocritical spin on it. To quote from this page:

"On the day George W. Bush was inaugurated, tens of thousands of Americans poured into the streets of D.C. They pelted Bush’s limo with eggs. The inauguration parade was brought to a halt and the traditional walk to the White House was scrapped."

90 turn  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 12:47:33pm

re: #39 _RememberTonyC

I've worked in the media for more than 30 years. I have worked in many different newsrooms both local and national. And I can say without any question that the media is overwhelmingly "left of center." And while many of these folks are well intentioned in many ways, it is simply impossible to expect them to totally keep their bias from seeping into their reporting and coverage. Some are "over the top" liberal and some are only slightly so. A handful are right of center but very few are hard right. I don't talk much politics at work because I know that I will make enemies that I don't need. And while many "liberals" believe they are tolerant people, I can tell you first hand that only a few really give the "other side" a fair shake.

I didn't know you worked in the media Tony. Have you read Goldberg's book? It says exactly the same thing, the bias is indisputable.

91 Shug  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 12:48:15pm

re: #88 voirdire

Didn't Mike Wallace say that he thought of himself as a journalist before an American?

Funny, that's how I thought of him.


although I had a word in mind that was a bit different than journalist

92 HelloDare  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 12:48:26pm

re: #88 voirdire

Didn't Mike Wallace say that he thought of himself as a journalist before an American?

Yes.

93 shiplord kirel  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 12:48:32pm

re: #72 Pianobuff

And the "old media" was admittedly bias and were witting accomplices unworried about maintaining a perception of impartiality. In relative terms, the notion of "just the facts, let the public decide" is a new thing, and a smokescreen at that. Biased reporting under the guise of unbiased journalism IMO is sleazier than open bias.


It is much, much worse. When the Daily Worker reported that all was well in Stalin's Soviet Union and reports of famine in the Ukraine were reactionary propaganda, people knew to shrugit off. When the New York Times reported the same thing, people believed it.

94 sattv4u2  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 12:48:34pm

re: #89 zelnaga

Even Michael Moore's Fahrenheit 9/11 documents the unruly behavior of the left. It just puts a hypocritical spin on it. To quote from this page:

"On the day George W. Bush was inaugurated, tens of thousands of Americans poured into the streets of D.C. They pelted Bush’s limo with eggs. The inauguration parade was brought to a halt and the traditional walk to the White House was scrapped."

Yeah ,, but they weren't being MEAN about it!!!

//

95 JustABill  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 12:48:39pm

re: #21 Jetpilot1101

Extremism in any form is counterproductive, especially in this case when the Democrats are clearly going to use the unrully demonstrations as an excuse to push "healthcare reform" down our throats. I think a more productive use of time and energy would be for everyone who disagrees with these "reforms", print out HR3200 and show up to the TH with it in had prepared to ask a question about something that is written in the bill. Tough questions work much better then yelling and screaming. Sure I'm angry at what our government is doing but that anger is not an excuse to divorce myself from sanity and run around like a right wing goon calling for the forceable eviction of sitting legislators. Assuming that people really are angry, democrats and republicans, remember that 2010 is not too far off and the chance to change the balance of power in DC lies in our hands.

Then you'd just have a bunch of people with lots of paper who somehow never get invited to ask their questions,

and probably blamed for destroying the rainforest.../

96 kansas  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 12:49:17pm

Where are the liberals? Avanti, Iceweasel, Cordell?

97 RELOADINGISNOTAHOBBY  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 12:49:39pm

So True!
My mother always said" Kill 'em with kindness"!
Alas,in my case ,that hasn't always work !

98 Conservative in Liberal Hands  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 12:49:44pm

re: #78 buzzsawmonkey

It's amazing how slugs shrivel when you hit 'em with that grain of salt, isn't it?

And attack them with a cheaper and faster way to do their job, too. The barriers to entry into the "public opinion influencing arena" is going down, so that those with differing viewpoints are enabled to raise their voices. Conversely, those who are incapable of literate expression are increasingly at a disadvantage.

99 Shug  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 12:49:44pm

re: #96 kansas

Where are the liberals? Avanti, Iceweasel, Cordell?

Front row at a town hall meeting

100 Dianna  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 12:50:49pm

re: #82 Ben Hur

But at least they're not hypocrites!

///

101 reine.de.tout  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 12:50:51pm

re: #67 Conservative in Liberal Hands

Shiplord -

Not sure that I agree with your analysis. The number and size of MSM outlets are shrinking - especially in the print arena. And if you look inside the numbers, CBS, NBC, CNN, ABC, et al are loosing viewers and ad revenues. I may be wroing in this, but I believe that the sponsors are slowly holding their media outlets responsible for poor & biased reporting...

I think you may be correct.
I can't watch FoxNews anymore, stopped clicking to that channel months ago.

But I did recently catch a CNN news segment and I was not outraged at what I heard - seems to some small bit of change happening there.

102 John Neverbend  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 12:50:55pm

re: #48 Athos

FNC broadcasting live the Medal of Freedom award ceremony at the WH...among the recipients - Mary Robinson, UN stooge and anti-semite.

Pathetic.

I'm reading the Bloomberg story. Gibbo the clown was reported as saying in respect of Mary Nosnibor, "There are statements that, obviously, she has made that the president doesn't agree with. That's probably true for a number of the people that the president is recognizing for their lifetime contributions." I'm hearing echos of "just as I'm sure many of you have heard remarks from your pastors, priests or rabbis with whom you strongly disagreed."

So, let's see who is it that Mr. O disagrees with who is also on the list. Well, there's Stephen Hawking, Sidney Poitier, Billy Jean King, Joe Medicine Crow, Chita Rivera, Dr. Janet Davison Rowley, Nancy Brinker, Dr. Pedro Jose Greer Jr. and Muhamma Yunus...Gibbo, what are you smoking?

103 Conservative in Liberal Hands  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 12:50:59pm

re: #81 Athos

Possible. But the Advertisers are "paying the freight" - and should be aware of the trend.

104 NukeAtomrod  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 12:51:05pm

re: #82 Ben Hur

[Link: www.nypost.com...]

CNN personality Richard Quest was busted in Central Park early yesterday with some drugs in his pocket, a rope around his neck that was tied to his genitals, and a sex toy in his boot, law-enforcement sources said

Someday the Media will hold themselves to the same standard they hold Rep politicians.

Actually, no they won't.

Imagine for a moment that was Fox News personality Neil Cavuto (or Bill O'Reilly or Shepard Smith)...

Do you suppose the story would be news worthy then?

105 [deleted]  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 12:51:07pm
106 Dianna  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 12:51:18pm

re: #85 Cannadian Club Akbar

Good luck!

107 HelloDare  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 12:51:55pm

re: #88 voirdire

Didn't Mike Wallace say that he thought of himself as a journalist before an American?

Worse.

...on an edition of the PBS panel series Ethics in America, devoted to war coverage, which was taped at Harvard in late 1987, Mike Wallace proclaimed that if he were traveling with enemy soldiers he would not warn U.S. soldiers of an impending ambush. “Don't you have a higher duty as an American citizen to do all you can to save the lives of soldiers rather than this journalistic ethic of reporting fact?", moderator Charles Ogletree Jr. suggested. Without hesitating, Wallace responded: "No, you don't have higher duty...you're a reporter."

108 [deleted]  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 12:51:56pm
109 sattv4u2  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 12:51:56pm

re: #99 Shug

INVITED GUESTS IN THE Front row at a town hall meeting

ftfy

110 calcajun  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 12:51:58pm

Are we going into the "intolerance of extremism" conundrum yet again?///


Thank you, Charles, for the reminder that both sides are plagued with nutters. The MSM only exacerbates the matter by continually asserting that it's only the right that is afflicted and not the left.

112 shiplord kirel  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 12:52:12pm

The deceptive pretense of objectivity is what empowers the activist media.

For instance, if I suddenly declared that Alex Jones is credible and a great man, my friends here would just shake their heads in pity and decide that I had gotten a batch of kool-aid somewhere.

When Fox News ("Fair and Balanced") says the same thing, people start to believe it.

113 kansas  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 12:52:23pm

re: #105 buzzsawmonkey

Cordell is mixing it up in the prior thread with medaura. They're having a "no true economist" argument.

You mean they are talking about that Weasel Krugman?

114 [deleted]  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 12:53:15pm
115 NukeAtomrod  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 12:53:17pm

re: #111 Charles

Uh oh.

FBI, Capitol Police investigate swastika at Rep. Scott's office.

If it turns out Newt Gingrich did it, I'm going to be pissed.

116 Shug  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 12:53:23pm

re: #111 Charles

Uh oh.

FBI, Capitol Police investigate swastika at Rep. Scott's office.

50-50 it was one of his supporters who did it

117 Ben Hur  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 12:53:52pm

re: #88 voirdire

Didn't Mike Wallace say that he thought of himself as a journalist before an American?

I heard a long time ago that Wallace (or his team) was busted paying Pali children to throw rocks at Israeli soldiers during Intifada I, in order to get some film.

I've never found anything on him doing it specifically, because that has been done by other European outlets.

Anyone ever heard this before?

118 Kenneth  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 12:54:09pm

re: #105 buzzsawmonkey

Cordell is mixing it up in the prior thread with medaura. They're having a "no true economist" argument.

Today drcordell is an "serious economist". Yesterday, he was a "brilliant physician". Tomorrow? Who knows... fighter pilot, concert pianist or bull fighter? Stay tuned...

119 kansas  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 12:54:12pm

re: #114 buzzsawmonkey

No, about whether or not any legit economist considers the New Deal was a success.

Forgot my sarc tag./ I always thought the New Deal was a success, but I never heard the other side until recently.

120 BARACK THE VOTE  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 12:54:27pm

re: #96 kansas

Where are the liberals? Avanti, Iceweasel, Cordell?

Sorry, I was taking a call. Kos sez hi.

Questions?

121 calcajun  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 12:54:38pm

re: #111 Charles

It was at his Georgia office--not in DC. But the fact remains some idiot did it.

122 Dianna  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 12:54:40pm

re: #112 shiplord kirel

Is it any comfort to know that the majority of us here are aghast?

123 kansas  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 12:54:59pm

re: #116 Shug

50-50 it was one of his supporters who did it

That would be so sweet if it wasn't a conservative.

124 Cato the Elder  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 12:55:03pm

If you find you're so mad that you stutter;
If each argument ends in a splutter;
If your freedom of speech
Just comes out as a screech -
Don't look now, you may be a nutter.

125 Dianna  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 12:55:21pm

re: #114 buzzsawmonkey

No, about whether or not any legit economist considers the New Deal was a success.

Oh, my.

126 Cato the Elder  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 12:55:50pm

re: #105 buzzsawmonkey

Cordell is mixing it up in the prior thread with medaura. They're having a "no true economist" argument.

That I'll pay to see. Later!

127 Ben Hur  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 12:55:55pm

re: #105 buzzsawmonkey

Cordell is mixing it up in the prior thread with medaura. They're having a "no true economist" argument.

I've got $20 on Medaura.

128 apachegunner  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 12:55:57pm

re: #111 Charles

Uh oh.

FBI, Capitol Police investigate swastika at Rep. Scott's office.

you don't suppose that one of his staffers left his fingerprints do ya?

129 MrSilverDragon  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 12:56:05pm

re: #124 Cato the Elder

If you find you're so mad that you stutter;
If each argument ends in a splutter;
If your freedom of speech
Just comes out as a screech -
Don't look now, you may be a nutter.

Hey, Koolaid!

/oh crap

130 turn  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 12:56:12pm

re: #80 kansas

But he was still elected and continues to have pretty high approval rating with certain demographics.

Right. Yeah, I guess Goldberg was correct. We'll have to wait the entire four years to see how low they will eventually go.

131 Dianna  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 12:56:17pm

re: #118 Kenneth

Damn. I'm just me. How uncreative of me!

132 Shug  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 12:56:18pm

re: #123 kansas

That would be so sweet if it wasn't a conservative.

It wouldn't be the first fake self inflicted hate crime that has been exposed here.

Either way, one thing is for certain : the person with the spray can is a complete POS

133 Charles Johnson  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 12:56:19pm

Swastika painted outside Ga. congressman's office.

Scott, who is black, said he also has received mail in recent days that used N-word references to him, and that characterized President Barack Obama as a Marxist.

134 Kenneth  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 12:56:27pm

re: #115 NukeAtomrod

If it turns out Newt Gingrich his staff did it, the story is going to be pissed. buried.

135 calcajun  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 12:56:33pm

re: #118 Kenneth

Today drcordell is an "serious economist". Yesterday, he was a "brilliant physician". Tomorrow? Who knows... fighter pilot, concert pianist or bull fighter? Stay tuned...

Today, he'll be teaching us how to build box-girder bridges and how to be a gynecologist. ///

136 calcajun  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 12:56:57pm

re: #127 Ben Hur

I've got $20 on Medaura.

Two out of three falls?

137 sattv4u2  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 12:57:02pm

re: #116 Shug

50-50 it was one of his supporters who did it

Not likely. People here (in Goergia) were pissed re: his recent performance at his town hall meeting. I condemn the person (people) that di it vehemently and know his district well. You either love him or couldn't stand him from the get go. There is no middle ground with him.

That stated, I wouldn't be surprised if the perps weren't even FROM his district, but rather the "sticks"
Just like everywhere else, there are whackos

138 MrSilverDragon  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 12:57:35pm

re: #135 calcajun

Today, he'll be teaching us how to build box-girder bridges and how to be a gynecologist. ///

Those are two hands that I don't want put together...

139 midwestgak  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 12:57:42pm

re: #101 reine.de.tout

I think you may be correct.
I can't watch FoxNews anymore, stopped clicking to that channel months ago.

But I did recently catch a CNN news segment and I was not outraged at what I heard - seems to some small bit of change happening there.

{Hi reine} There may be some change, but what has not changed is their ability to provide the best initial TV coverage and anchors during a crisis. IMO.

140 John Neverbend  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 12:57:51pm

re: #135 calcajun

Today, he'll be teaching us how to build box-girder bridges and how to be a gynecologist. ///

Or how to play the flute?

141 calcajun  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 12:58:08pm

re: #133 Charles

What is the make-up of his district? Not that it matters --just if someone knows off the to of their head.

142 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 12:58:17pm

re: #111 Charles

Uh oh.

FBI, Capitol Police investigate swastika at Rep. Scott's office.

Saw that in passing on last night's news. Feh.

143 BARACK THE VOTE  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 12:58:25pm

re: #126 Cato the Elder

That I'll pay to see. Later!

Seriously. I'd pay too.

Must check that out! 10,000 quatloos on the newcomer!

(actually, really not sure who I'd bet on in that cage match.)

144 shiplord kirel  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 12:58:35pm

re: #133 Charles

Swastika painted outside Ga. congressman's office.

Obama as Marxist is strictly far right batshit stuff. It is unlikely that a liberal ringer would even be aware of it.

145 turn  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 12:58:50pm

re: #96 kansas

Where are the liberals? Avanti, Iceweasel, Cordell?

Conspicuous with their absence. They can deny a liberal bias to the media but they could never prove it.

146 Kenneth  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 12:59:04pm

re: #135 calcajun

Today, he'll be teaching us how to build box-girder bridges and how to be a gynecologist. ///

Tomorrow he's going to show us how to feed the world's poor by irrigating vast stretches of the Sahara desert ...

147 JustABill  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 12:59:15pm

re: #111 Charles

Uh oh.

FBI, Capitol Police investigate swastika at Rep. Scott's office.

Hopefully the idiot left a fingerprint or something. I'd love to see whomever did this caught. (and exposed as a dem)

148 kansas  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 12:59:38pm
Swastika painted outside Ga. congressman's office.

This is not looking good. Hopefully not some stereotypical racist.

149 ointmentfly  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 12:59:41pm

re: #133 Charles

Swastika painted outside Ga. congressman's office.

Bets on when Al Shrpton will march...

150 sattv4u2  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 12:59:44pm

re: #133 Charles

Swastika painted outside Ga. congressman's office.

see my #133. My money is on someone outside his district.

No evidence, no proof, just my gut reaction from living here for 11 years

151 Vicious Michigan Union Thug  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 12:59:47pm

re: #118 Kenneth

Today drcordell is an "serious economist". Yesterday, he was a "brilliant physician". Tomorrow? Who knows... fighter pilot, concert pianist or bull fighter? Stay tuned...

On teh interwebs, nobody knows you're a dog.

152 calcajun  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 12:59:57pm

re: #146 Kenneth

...and rid the world of all known diseases.

153 Desert Dog  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 1:00:11pm

re: #151 Alouette

On teh interwebs, nobody knows you're a dog.

Woof

154 JustABill  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 1:00:35pm

re: #118 Kenneth

Today drcordell is an "serious economist". Yesterday, he was a "brilliant physician". Tomorrow? Who knows... fighter pilot, concert pianist or bull fighter? Stay tuned...

He can claim that based on his conversations here///

155 calcajun  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 1:00:45pm

re: #148 kansas

This is not looking good. Hopefully not some stereotypical racist.

You mean a racist that is unique--like all the others?

156 NukeAtomrod  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 1:00:45pm

re: #123 kansas

That would be so sweet if it wasn't a conservative.

It might have been a Republican, but it wasn't a conservative. Conservatives, by definition, believe in individual liberty which is ideologically opposed to racism.

157 Randall Gross  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 1:00:54pm

Who else never gets mentioned? ISM comes to mind.

158 Desert Dog  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 1:01:09pm

re: #148 kansas

This is not looking good. Hopefully not some stereotypical racist.

How many swastikas were painted on the wall when Bush was President? (snark intended)

159 Pianobuff  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 1:01:16pm

re: #144 shiplord kirel

Obama as Marxist is strictly far right batshit stuff. It is unlikely that a liberal ringer would even be aware of it.

What's boggling to me is why the LaRouchian's are calling Obamacare a "Nazi Plan" when their whole reason for protest is because they want single payer.

Has the world gone nuts?

160 calcajun  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 1:01:38pm

re: #153 Desert Dog

Woof

Ruff ruff riff-- That was my other dog imitation.---Donald Sutherland.

161 sattv4u2  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 1:01:45pm

re: #141 calcajun

What is the make-up of his district? Not that it matters --just if someone knows off the to of their head.

Mostly African American and mostly DEM (one of the few districts in Georgia that is) As I stated, I'll bet it's someone from the sticks that did it

162 JustABill  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 1:01:59pm

re: #156 NukeAtomrod

It might have been a Republican, but it wasn't a conservative. Conservatives, by definition, believe in individual liberty which is ideologically opposed to racism.

At least not a "True" conservative...

163 voirdire  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 1:02:18pm

Swastika ? . . . What does it mean?

164 shiplord kirel  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 1:02:19pm

Sane people at Free Republic?
No, not the spell-check casualty who posted this gem, Did Jesus give us the name of Satin (sic)? I report - You decide!, but the many Freepers who have turned out in droves to mock, ridicule, and otherwise deride both the spelling error and the insane YouTube rant to which it links.

165 MrSilverDragon  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 1:02:32pm

re: #159 Pianobuff

What's boggling to me is why the LaRouchian's are calling Obamacare a "Nazi Plan" when their whole reason for protest is because they want single payer.

Has the world gone nuts?

"My spin is better than your spin."
-I have no idea who said this, but I bet it's been said a lot.

166 Desert Dog  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 1:02:33pm

re: #162 JustABill

At least not a "True" conservative...

A Scotsman then, perhaps?

167 calcajun  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 1:02:51pm

re: #161 sattv4u2

Criminy-- that is all of Georgia, isn't it?

168 Dianna  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 1:02:56pm

re: #147 JustABill

Hopefully the idiot left a fingerprint or something. I'd love to see whomever did this caught. (and exposed as a dem)

I just want them caught.

169 turn  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 1:03:03pm

re: #118 Kenneth

Today drcordell is an "serious economist". Yesterday, he was a "brilliant physician". Tomorrow? Who knows... fighter pilot, concert pianist or bull fighter? Stay tuned...

LOL

170 JustABill  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 1:03:08pm

re: #166 Desert Dog

A Scotsman then, perhaps?

Bingo!

171 calcajun  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 1:03:36pm

re: #168 Dianna

Patience. Patience.

172 Killgore Trout  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 1:03:47pm

re: #163 voirdire

Swastika ? . . . What does it mean?

Rush and Glenn Beck broadcast "Obama is a Nazi" crap on the airwaves every day.

173 Wendya  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 1:03:49pm

re: #39 _RememberTonyC

And while many "liberals" believe they are tolerant people, I can tell you first hand that only a few really give the "other side" a fair shake.


The left has their own special definition of "tolerance" that does not include deviation from the "correct" ideology.

174 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 1:04:07pm

re: #144 shiplord kirel

Obama as Marxist is strictly far right batshit stuff. It is unlikely that a liberal ringer would even be aware of it.

Not really, a liberal ringer who'd done even casual reading would notice that the word comes up. Colbert even did a piece where Santa Karl Marx comes for Obamamas and takes your stuff to give it to someone more worthy.

175 avanti  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 1:04:09pm

More good news on the economy today. Wall Street Journal says recession is over, market up 120. Chrysler adds third shift, Ford paying overtime. My unicorn is wagging her tail as I sip the Kool-Aid.

176 Desert Dog  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 1:04:10pm

re: #170 JustABill

Bingo!

the Damn Scots! They should stick to wearing dresses and drinking whiskey! /

177 HelloDare  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 1:04:35pm

re: #107 HelloDare

...on an edition of the PBS panel series Ethics in America, devoted to war coverage, which was taped at Harvard in late 1987, Mike Wallace proclaimed that if he were traveling with enemy soldiers he would not warn U.S. soldiers of an impending ambush. “Don't you have a higher duty as an American citizen to do all you can to save the lives of soldiers rather than this journalistic ethic of reporting fact?", moderator Charles Ogletree Jr. suggested. Without hesitating, Wallace responded: "No, you don't have higher duty...you're a reporter."

Would any conservative reporter have any credibility left if he made that comment. It's a perfect example of media bias.

178 Dianna  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 1:04:47pm

re: #159 Pianobuff

What's boggling to me is why the LaRouchian's are calling Obamacare a "Nazi Plan" when their whole reason for protest is because they want single payer.

Has the world gone nuts?

When you ask that after discussing the LaRouchites, the question doesn't really apply.

179 turn  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 1:04:49pm

re: #120 iceweasel

Sorry, I was taking a call. Kos sez hi.

Questions?

Ice, do you believe there is a liberal bias in the print media?

180 Joshua Cohen  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 1:04:57pm

The MSM - anything they serve taste like my microwave pizza.

181 Desert Dog  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 1:05:13pm

re: #172 Killgore Trout

Rush and Glenn Beck broadcast "Obama is a Nazi" crap on the airwaves every day.

And you know this because...you listen everyday? Or, are you guessing or over generalizing?

182 Sharmuta  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 1:05:41pm

re: #163 voirdire

Swastika ? . . . What does it mean?

You seriously have to ask what it means when a swastika gets painted on a black man's office?

183 calcajun  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 1:05:53pm

re: #175 avanti

More good news on the economy today. Wall Street Journal says recession is over, market up 120. Chrysler adds third shift, Ford paying overtime. My unicorn is wagging her tail as I sip the Kool-Aid.

Remain calm. All is well.-- Kevin Bacon

184 Dianna  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 1:05:57pm

re: #171 calcajun

Patience. Patience.

Patience is a virtue. I'll have none of it!

185 turn  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 1:06:09pm

re: #116 Shug

50-50 it was one of his supporters who did it

That was the first thought that crossed my mind.

186 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 1:06:09pm

re: #173 Wendya

The left has their own special definition of "tolerance" that does not include deviation from the "correct" ideology.

This is as opposed to their opposite numbers how, exactly?

187 Desert Dog  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 1:06:14pm

re: #182 Sharmuta

You seriously have to ask what it means when a swastika gets painted on a black man's office?

It means some dumbass loser does not even know what the hell it means.

188 Killgore Trout  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 1:06:20pm

re: #175 avanti

More good news on the economy today. Wall Street Journal says recession is over, market up 120. Chrysler adds third shift, Ford paying overtime. My unicorn is wagging her tail as I sip the Kool-Aid.

OMG! Capitalism is dead and the economy will never cover!
/

189 apachegunner  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 1:06:25pm

well, off to a charity banquet with my wife this evening, tux and all. seeya lizards tomorow

190 RELOADINGISNOTAHOBBY  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 1:06:34pm

re: #161 sattv4u2
As in...
Several broke down cars in the front yard...
Wears bib coveralls...
Two first names?
Billy Bob
Ray Jay Jr.
Billy Ray?
Etc..?
They Ai'nt non them in Gorgia!!
///

191 HelloDare  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 1:06:47pm

re: #118 Kenneth

Today drcordell is an "serious economist". Yesterday, he was a "brilliant physician". Tomorrow? Who knows... fighter pilot, concert pianist or bull fighter? Stay tuned...

The good doctor is probably a is a chiropractor. Not that there's anything wrong with that.

192 NukeAtomrod  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 1:07:14pm

re: #162 JustABill

At least not a "True" conservative...

"Conservative" means something specific about your beliefs. A Conservative Racist is the equivalent of a Free-market Communist. There isn't any such animal.

193 Conservative in Liberal Hands  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 1:07:15pm

re: #189 apachegunner

Travel swiftly and safely.

194 avanti  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 1:07:27pm

re: #145 turn

Conspicuous with their absence. They can deny a liberal bias to the media but they could never prove it.

Never denied it BTW. Hollywood, the universities and the media is liberal..

195 calcajun  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 1:07:30pm

re: #182 Sharmuta

You seriously have to ask what it means when a swastika gets painted on a black man's office?

The National Socialists have become more inclusive?///
A dyslexic Hindi constituent is trying to bless him with good luck?//

196 Dianna  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 1:07:41pm

re: #182 Sharmuta

You seriously have to ask what it means when a swastika gets painted on a black man's office?

Yes, actually.

It's confused communication.

197 MJ  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 1:07:42pm

Obama's ideological soulmate got her award today from the chief apologist for antisemitism:

Today, as President Obama bestows the Medal of Freedom on Mary Robinson, the former president of Ireland, I will be thinking of my father, the late Isaac Cooper. He, unlike his son, was a saintly man who always strove to find the good in each person. As a youngster, I came to understand, however, that when my father couldn't find something good to say, he would murmur: "He means well."

Well, Mary Robinson is no anti-Semite. And as president of Ireland she achieved many important things. But her signature moment in history came when, as chairwoman of the 2001 United Nations World Conference Against Racism in Durban, South Africa, she allowed the conference to be hijacked by extremist groups. The meeting devolved into an ugly anti-American and anti-Semitic debacle and gravely wounded the cause of human rights.

Durban was no big tent of tolerance. Rather, it was a launching pad for demonizing the United States, Israel and any Jews with the audacity to openly identify themselves as Zionists.

A few ugly incidents still cling to my psyche:

—Each nongovernmental organization, or NGO, was invited to set up a booth. In a presentation that would have brought tears of joy to the eyes of Nazi propaganda minister Joseph Goebbels, a Cairo-based lawyers group proudly displayed scores of political cartoons depicting Israelis as Nazis or subhumans.

—As a CNN reporter posed a question at our caucus' news conference, 40 Muslim women from Iran burst in and physically tried to stop our event.

—On Friday, Durban's chief of police gently but firmly urged us not to attempt to walk the 21/2 blocks from the conference to the Jewish Community Center. "I cannot guarantee your safety," he told me. Outside, there were 17,000 anti-Zionist protesters, some of whom held up the
banner: "Hitler Was Right!"

—The ill-fated "final NGO document" that Robinson was supposed to hand to then-UN Secretary General Kofi Annan, replete with anti-Israel invective, did have one reference condemning firebombing attacks against synagogues in France. But the reference was deleted when a delegate from the World Council of Churches rose at the closing plenary to ask, "What does an attack on a synagogue have to do with racism?"

We Jews left the big tent that night to the whistles and catcalls of some and the utter silence of too many of the human rights elites. Hate, not hope, had carried the day.

Sadly, the seeds of this debacle were planted by Robinson herself, when she approved a key conference preparatory meeting for Tehran. She assured the Jewish leaders and others attending the conference that we would be welcomed to participate. But visas for the Baha'i or members of the Wiesenthal Center did not arrive in time. While she protested the regime's double cross, she welcomed the "consensus" of a productive meeting between civilizations at the Tehran meeting. She urged delegates to continue their fight against racism. As for the abuse against Israel, all Robinson would say was that "the situation in the Palestinian-occupied territories was brought up at the meeting and it is reflected in the final declaration."

The internationally sanctioned Israel/apartheid ambush was ready to roll...


Rabbi Cooper is the associate dean of the Simon Wiesenthal Center. He was a spokes

198 LoquaciousLady  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 1:07:51pm

There are horrible nutters on the right and left. It just much easier for the left to hide their nutters with their media coverage dominance. This makes the right nutters stick out worse, like a sore thumb. When the left nutters come out, their buddies hide the damaging pics. When the right nutters come out, the media gets out the cameras and has a field day. Consequently, who looks nuttier?

199 RELOADINGISNOTAHOBBY  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 1:08:31pm

re: #172 Killgore Trout

Ah...
No they don't!
If a caller starts with that shit ,they are stopped!
Socialist agenda? Yes!

200 shiplord kirel  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 1:08:39pm

My survivalist associate Jerry would be preparing to resist the Obammunist/ACORN hordes this week, but he gave himself a hernia taking all that hoarded ammo down to his basement and now he can't lift any of his 2 dozen rifles.

201 Cato the Elder  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 1:08:47pm

re: #178 Dianna

When you ask that after discussing the LaRouchites, the question doesn't really apply.

I got into a "discussion" with a LaRouchie once. Once.

It gave me the same creepy, danger-filled feeling I got that time when I picked up the phone at my friend's place and found myself talking to his coke-head prostitute batshit crazy ex-wife. And she was all the way down in Florida, while this guy was standing right in front of me.

One of the best anecdotal arguments for concealed carry ever.

202 RELOADINGISNOTAHOBBY  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 1:09:03pm

re: #189 apachegunner

Ya'll look great!!

203 avanti  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 1:09:08pm

re: #188 Killgore Trout

OMG! Capitalism is dead and the economy will never cover!
/

Don't worry, a meltdown is just ahead, I've heard it on Fox news for six months.

204 sattv4u2  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 1:09:32pm

BBL

205 Desert Dog  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 1:09:45pm

re: #175 avanti

More good news on the economy today. Wall Street Journal says recession is over, market up 120. Chrysler adds third shift, Ford paying overtime. My unicorn is wagging her tail as I sip the Kool-Aid.

Happy Days! Thank God President Obama single-handedly revived the economy with his well thought out and on target "Stimulus Bill"...Otherwise, things might have been even worse! Whew! We dodged a bullet there!

/

206 voirdire  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 1:09:57pm

re: #187 Desert Dog

It means some dumbass loser does not even know what the hell it means.

so, you're saying Scott is a Nazi? . . .

207 Dianna  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 1:10:17pm

re: #200 shiplord kirel

Ha!

He wouldn't be the guy I had to fend off when I bought the very last can of .45 ammo at the gun show two weeks ago?

208 Desert Dog  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 1:10:40pm

re: #206 voirdire

so, you're saying Scott is a Nazi? . . .

I am speaking to the vandal that sprayed it on his sign...a-duh!

209 calcajun  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 1:10:45pm

re: #203 avanti

Don't worry, a meltdown is just ahead, I've heard it on Fox news for six months.

Glad to hear you say it. My wife thought I was crazy for stockpiling ammo and buying all that canned food.//

210 Wendya  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 1:11:22pm

re: #37 kansas

So I asked this before, exactly what the heck was supposed to pass before the August recess? Is it any wonder people are pissed?

The left has been working on this legislation for a very long time. Stuff like this isn't delivered out of thin air within days of taking up the cause. The goal all along has been single payer insurance and the legislation has been crafted to move us along to that goal. Obama counted on Pelosi and Hoyer to ram it through by twisting arms. They didn't count on their inability to control the public dialogue.

211 BARACK THE VOTE  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 1:11:27pm

re: #118 Kenneth

Today drcordell is an "serious economist". Yesterday, he was a "brilliant physician". Tomorrow? Who knows... fighter pilot, concert pianist or bull fighter? Stay tuned...

To be honest, I think drcordell ought to be kept around. I know he annoys people (but as someone else in the minority I know it's hard to be smacked around a lot, and I know I get snarky in return). IMO it's pretty clear he does know his shit, and if things settled down a bit it'd be extremely profitable to talk to him.

BTW, he reminds me of Kenneth. Kenneth and I certainly do not agree on many, perhaps most issues, but I always learn from reading Kenneth and have the highest possible regard for his intellect. Kenneth is one of my absolute favourite conservative posters here. If I ever stopped posting here, Kenneth is one of a very few people who I would keep reading.

I really think drcordell has a lot to contribute, if he weren't constantly fighting off stupid attacks every time he pops up.

Just my opinion. cordell has downdinged me, btw. i downdinged him and called him out when he called BlueCanuck a name, but I think he's worth reading and should get more of a chance than people are giving him. IMO.

212 turn  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 1:11:42pm

re: #191 HelloDare

The good doctor is probably a is a chiropractor. Not that there's anything wrong with that.

No wonder he cracks me up and I need an adjustment period after reading his posts. I don't have the spine to read many of his posts.

213 Jack Burton  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 1:11:45pm

re: #175 avanti

More good news on the economy today. Wall Street Journal says recession is over, market up 120. Chrysler adds third shift, Ford paying overtime. My unicorn is wagging her tail as I sip the Kool-Aid.

Well wont it be a big shock when cash for clunkers runs out of money yet again and the government cant subsidize people getting deeper in debt anymore, the commercial real estate sector crashes, and all the bad 3 & 5 year interest-only ARMs from 05-07 reset.

I guess they could just call it another recession, separate from the one we just had.

214 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 1:11:49pm

re: #198 LoquaciousLady

There are horrible nutters on the right and left. It just much easier for the left to hide their nutters with their media coverage dominance. This makes the right nutters stick out worse, like a sore thumb. When the left nutters come out, their buddies hide the damaging pics. When the right nutters come out, the media gets out the cameras and has a field day. Consequently, who looks nuttier?

I think that's a good analysis.

215 shiplord kirel  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 1:12:01pm

re: #207 Dianna

Ha!

He wouldn't be the guy I had to fend off when I bought the very last can of .45 ammo at the gun show two weeks ago?

He claims it's a hernia, but maybe it's a broken rib he got from that insane woman he had to fight off at the last gun show.

216 turn  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 1:13:21pm

re: #194 avanti

Never denied it BTW. Hollywood, the universities and the media is liberal..

I know avanti, I wish there were more level headed liberals like you. Most go to great lengths to try and deny it as you well know.

217 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 1:13:29pm

re: #201 Cato the Elder

I got into a "discussion" with a LaRouchie once. Once.

It gave me the same creepy, danger-filled feeling I got that time when I picked up the phone at my friend's place and found myself talking to his coke-head prostitute batshit crazy ex-wife. And she was all the way down in Florida, while this guy was standing right in front of me.

One of the best anecdotal arguments for concealed carry ever.

My father, who sometimes has no normal fear reflex, likes to talk to the LaRouche people about the Masonic conspiracy, and how high you have to be in it before they tell you the good stuff. He will explain to them that he's trying to find out if his dad is in on it.

218 Desert Dog  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 1:13:48pm

re: #211 iceweasel

To be honest, I think drcordell ought to be kept around. I know he annoys people (but as someone else in the minority I know it's hard to be smacked around a lot, and I know I get snarky in return). IMO it's pretty clear he does know his shit, and if things settled down a bit it'd be extremely profitable to talk to him.

BTW, he reminds me of Kenneth. Kenneth and I certainly do not agree on many, perhaps most issues, but I always learn from reading Kenneth and have the highest possible regard for his intellect. Kenneth is one of my absolute favourite conservative posters here. If I ever stopped posting here, Kenneth is one of a very few people who I would keep reading.

I really think drcordell has a lot to contribute, if he weren't constantly fighting off stupid attacks every time he pops up.

Just my opinion. cordell has downdinged me, btw. i downdinged him and called him out when he called BlueCanuck a name, but I think he's worth reading and should get more of a chance than people are giving him. IMO.

Besides the nasty name calling, holier than thou attitude, self-inflated ego and erroneous conclusions, he's a great guy! I'll give him a big wet upding if he comes out of his cave right now and insults my intelligence (again)

219 Locker  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 1:14:12pm

This Fox News "analysis" by Bill Sammon (vice president of news and the Washington managing editor of FOX News Channel) gives his perspective of the 2002 event with no reference, no pictures and no backing data.

He then compares his view of the press coverage of a single event from 7 years ago to the current, nation wide, town hall disruptions. Sure seems like he's simply preaching to the choir as opposed to making any sort of insightful commentary.

220 CyanSnowHawk  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 1:14:34pm

Aaargh! I've been consigned to the special hell that is a powerpoint presentation over Microsoft NetMeeting with a teleconference.

221 turn  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 1:14:57pm

re: #198 LoquaciousLady

Hey you're new, welcome to LGF. Nice post, and sooo true.

222 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 1:15:16pm

re: #209 calcajun

Glad to hear you say it. My wife thought I was crazy for stockpiling ammo and buying all that canned food.//

Just, please, if the hard times take longer than expected, ROTATE that stuff. When we moved out of our last house, I kept finding caches of survival goods gone bad in the weirdest places. Did I mention that I love and respect my mother in law very much, and it was nice of her to prepare us for an earthquake, or invasion?

223 formercorpsman  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 1:16:09pm

re: #164 shiplord kirel

On the surface, that reminds me of the birth certificate fake.

224 Ben Hur  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 1:16:29pm

re: #127 Ben Hur

I've got $20 on Medaura.

Someone owes me $20.

Otherwise, they should investigate.

Should be a no brainer.

225 Desert Dog  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 1:16:30pm

re: #183 calcajun

Remain calm. All is well.-- Kevin Bacon

"Fat, drunk and stupid is no way to go through life..."

226 midwestgak  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 1:17:07pm

OT Federal deficit is $1.27 trillion. For now.

227 Dianna  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 1:17:47pm

re: #215 shiplord kirel

Why, that's pure slander! I only clutched my ammo to my bosom and he ran into the edge!

Is his foot OK? I was much more worried about his foot - when he jostled me, I rather lost my grip on the can. I really didn't mean to make him howl and jump around that way. Honest.

228 Conservative in Liberal Hands  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 1:17:48pm

re: #220 CyanSnowHawk

Aaargh! I've been consigned to the special hell that is a powerpoint presentation over Microsoft NetMeeting with a teleconference.

OUCH! That hurts!

229 Eowyn2  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 1:18:06pm

re: #128 apachegunner

you don't suppose that one of his staffers left his fingerprints do ya?

I think the whole swastika think is that people are calling congress nazis rather than claiming "I'm a Nazi and I'm gonna get you" We've gone through 8 yrs of people calling Bush 'hitler' and during the 2008 campaign, I saw a t-shirt with Sarah Palin's face with moose horns "Moosolini' so the swastikas are nothing new except on the other side of the fence. It doesn't make them right but the press seems to be attempting to spin this as "angry white mob of nazi skin heads threaten Life, Liberty, and the American Way"

230 Spare O'Lake  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 1:18:06pm

re: #198 LoquaciousLady

There are horrible nutters on the right and left. It just much easier for the left to hide their nutters with their media coverage dominance. This makes the right nutters stick out worse, like a sore thumb. When the left nutters come out, their buddies hide the damaging pics. When the right nutters come out, the media gets out the cameras and has a field day. Consequently, who looks nuttier?

Sorry to hear that your right nut is inflamed.
Try some ice.

231 [deleted]  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 1:18:12pm
232 midwestgak  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 1:18:49pm

re: #231 buzzsawmonkey

$1.3 trillion since you posted that.

hahahahahah. Good one.

233 Dianna  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 1:19:07pm

re: #220 CyanSnowHawk

"Death by Powerpoint." It's not just for the military any more.

234 The Curmudgeon  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 1:19:12pm

I suspect that many in the left-wing media imagine that they don't have a double standard, and in a certain sense that's true. Their single standard is socialism, and they rigidly adhere to it, by doing whatever is necessary to achieve their goal. In their minds, they have journalistic integrity -- but they don't disclose their objectives.

235 turn  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 1:19:15pm

re: #211 iceweasel

I wouldn't suggest he quit posting either, but you have to admit Kenneth's comment was LOL though.

236 callahan23  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 1:19:22pm

Honest Reporting has this latest analysis of media bias:

HRW: Too Little Too Late
Human Rights Watch finally issues a report on Hamas rocket attacks.

And some other medias biases of other mostly British sources.

Btw - Hello Lizardia.

237 BARACK THE VOTE  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 1:19:33pm

re: #218 Desert Dog

Besides the nasty name calling, holier than thou attitude, self-inflated ego and erroneous conclusions, he's a great guy! I'll give him a big wet upding if he comes out of his cave right now and insults my intelligence (again)

I haven't seen everything he's posted, so I haven't seen where he's been nasty to you.

Hey, it's just my opinion. Take it for what you think it's worth. I think if he settled down, and others settled down, he'd have a lot to contribute.

238 John Neverbend  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 1:20:05pm

re: #197 MJ

Obama's ideological soulmate got her award today from the chief apologist for antisemitism:

I'm reading his speech on Bloomberg. Of Hawking, he said "he was a brilliant man, and a mediocre student", which got a few laughs. In fact, he was a brilliant student. I remember talking to one of his tutors at Oxford. When he completed his finals, he was on the borderline between a first class and second class honours degree, and he was given a viva voce exam to determine the outcome. It is alleged that the examiners asked him if they should award him a first or a second, to which he replied that if they gave him a first, he'd go to Cambridge, and if they gave him a second, he'd stay at Oxford, so they'd better give him a first.

239 ladycatnip  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 1:20:11pm

Helen Thomas is seeing through the media double standard.

Barack Obama, the eternal campaigner, held a healthcare town hall, which even Helen Thomas and her just-as-liberal cohort, Chip Reid of CBS, called "orchestrated," "tightly-controlled," and seemingly "less transparent" than any previous White House occupants had ever dared. The questions posed to the President, it's now quite obvious, must indeed be orchestrated because he is tasked with selling legislation that he himself has neither read nor understands. And the worst of this becoming-nastier-by-the-day conundrum is that the whole cockamamie plan is built upon a disastrously failed European-socialist model, which has proven again and again and again to raise costs, lower quality and ration care. The only real difference seems to be that the Democrats' plan will allow those already at the table to reap even more profits than before, and we will be the ones footing the outrageous tab.

Some on the left are apparently not happy about the Won's so-called transparency.

240 Wendya  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 1:21:26pm

re: #211 iceweasel

I really think drcordell has a lot to contribute, if he weren't constantly fighting off stupid attacks every time he pops up.

When you ask him a legitimate question and are attacked, called stupid, etc... you'd better expect to get your ass handed to you. drcordell has earned whatever treatment he has received.

241 avanti  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 1:21:40pm

re: #216 turn

I know avanti, I wish there were more level headed liberals like you. Most go to great lengths to try and deny it as you well know.

It would like you denying evangelicals are conservative.

242 calcajun  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 1:22:08pm

re: #222 SanFranciscoZionist

I've had old C-ration can explode on me-- talk about foul.

I'm moving to MRE and freez-dried stuff. That will fine as long as there is water...in SoCal...OK, I'm screwed.

243 turn  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 1:22:57pm

re: #241 avanti

I knew what ya meant bud, new thread.

244 calcajun  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 1:23:24pm

re: #239 ladycatnip

If he is losing Margaret Hamilton's body-double, then he is in some serious trouble.

245 avanti  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 1:23:45pm

re: #213 ArchangelMichael

Well wont it be a big shock when cash for clunkers runs out of money yet again and the government cant subsidize people getting deeper in debt anymore, the commercial real estate sector crashes, and all the bad 3 & 5 year interest-only ARMs from 05-07 reset.

I guess they could just call it another recession, separate from the one we just had.

I think the right is counting on failure, maybe not hoping for it, but hopeful it will be Obama's downfall. If things go well, you could be screwed.

246 BARACK THE VOTE  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 1:24:22pm

re: #240 Wendya

When you ask him a legitimate question and are attacked, called stupid, etc... you'd better expect to get your ass handed to you. drcordell has earned whatever treatment he has received.

Maybe he was getting the treatment, and so responded in kind?

247 avanti  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 1:24:53pm

re: #205 Desert Dog

Happy Days! Thank God President Obama single-handedly revived the economy with his well thought out and on target "Stimulus Bill"...Otherwise, things might have been even worse! Whew! We dodged a bullet there!

/

Thank you for your support, your personal unicorn s on the way. :)

248 SurferDoc  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 1:25:49pm

re: #118 Kenneth

Today drcordell is an "serious economist". Yesterday, he was a "brilliant physician". Tomorrow? Who knows... fighter pilot, concert pianist or bull fighter? Stay tuned...

...with a supermodel girlfriend and a Corvette.

249 mikalm  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 1:27:15pm

re: #217 SanFranciscoZionist

My father, who sometimes has no normal fear reflex, likes to talk to the LaRouche people about the Masonic conspiracy, and how high you have to be in it before they tell you the good stuff. He will explain to them that he's trying to find out if his dad is in on it.

The next time I see a LaRouchite, I'm going to pull out my Scottish Rite 32nd Degree dues card and then make some crazy hand gestures.

What can I say? I like to live dangerously.

250 Jack Burton  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 1:28:22pm

re: #245 avanti

I think the right is counting on failure, maybe not hoping for it, but hopeful it will be Obama's downfall. If things go well, you could be screwed.

This stuff wont be Obama's fault. He's just not helping. Anyone who wants this to happen is vile, but that doesn't mean its a fantasy invented by tea party kooks.

251 Dianna  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 1:34:06pm

re: #249 mikalm

The next time I see a LaRouchite, I'm going to pull out my Scottish Rite 32nd Degree dues card and then make some crazy hand gestures.

What can I say? I like to live dangerously.

Can I come along and handle the video camera?

252 Silvergirl  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 1:37:36pm

re: #43 Dianna

It's a very pertinent question. Further, it points up what Buzzsawmonkey asked yesterday: Why sacrifice clarity for speed? I do not understand this haste, and it makes me very nervous.

Quite true, yes, very pertinent.

Few people remember how fast you did something
What most remember is how well you did something.

253 ladycatnip  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 1:37:46pm

The more Obama speaks w/o his Teleprompter the more he steps in it. So, fringy people, step back. The Won will do it all by himself.

First it was Boston's finest, now it's the Post Office. It's beer time!

254 Charpete67  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 1:38:05pm

I travel quite a bit for my job and a few years ago I was in SF. The hotel I was staying at has a big open area behind it. While I was there, there was a huge anti-war demonstration. There was a big blow up doll of George Bush, a podium where speakers spoke from and several tents throughout the area. It was a large rally and the local news media was there.

After dinner, I walked through the crowd to try and get a feel for what kind of people were there and what was promoted via t-shirts and fliers for various groups. I know there have been many links here over the years to people who have taken pics at events like this...but, you simply can't appreciate what is really going on unless you experience it first hand.

I can only tell you that the entire place smelled like a mixture of urine and pot. Most of the tents (if not all) were a mixture of f___ Bush t-shirts, pro arab groups (including people walking around with green bandanna's over their face) and anti-semitic propaganda as well as "Bush=Hitler" stuff. I, being the dorky middle aged guy traveling on business, was wearing khaki shorts and a golf shirt...could not have felt more out of place and frankly a little un-nerved.

I did notice a small group of people who probably would look more like me than anyone else at the "event" being interviewed by some local TV station. I'm not trying to make any hidden point or elitist comment about the look of anyone there...only that you could not help but make the same observation.

I walked back to my hotel room and watched the local news reporting of the event. The people I observed being interviewed (dressed normally...fully clothed, no bandanna's, etc) and they were in fact "spokes people" for the group that organized the event. I can't even begin to tell you how different the news coverage was from what actually took place. Even the camera shot included professionally dressed people who were crossing through the area to catch the ferry on their way back from work. Like me, they stopped to see the "sights and sounds" of this train wreck group of people...but to the casual TV watcher, they looked like they were at the event.

Any credible news organization should have taken the time to not only interview the actual protesters, but also film the various booths and tents that were set up. To me, that was the real story. These people were not just anti-war...they had a clear political message and agenda.

To say that protesters are portrayed the same by our media is utterly nonsense. I agree that both sides can be over the top...but, these people were absolutely absurd.

255 debutaunt  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 1:40:56pm

re: #118 Kenneth

Today drcordell is an "serious economist". Yesterday, he was a "brilliant physician". Tomorrow? Who knows... fighter pilot, concert pianist or bull fighter? Stay tuned...

dercordell has no clue about things financial.

256 JacksonTn  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 1:41:53pm

Afternoon ya'll ...

oh how I wish the prez election were today ... this is a train wreck in both directions ... and it ain't stopping soon ...

257 Silvergirl  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 1:44:23pm

re: #254 Charpete67

Pay no attention to those people behind the curtain!

(The ones in f___ Bush t-shirts, "Bush=Hitler" and the ones handing out anti-semitic propaganda)

258 Charpete67  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 1:46:04pm

re: #257 Silvergirl

Pay no attention to those people behind the curtain!

(The ones in f___ Bush t-shirts, "Bush=Hitler" and the ones handing out anti-semitic propaganda)

Frankly...the anti-semitic stuff is what shocked me the most...both in how open it was as well as how prevalent it was...

259 debutaunt  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 1:49:34pm

re: #196 Dianna

Yes, actually.

It's confused communication.

Charlie Manson has one on his forehead. I think I know what it stands for in his deranged mind.

260 Ringo the Gringo  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 1:51:22pm

One of the main themes at my little website has been how the media during the Bush years had to go out of their way to avoid photographing the crazy images and offensive signs (often featuring swastikas) which everywhere one looked at these demonstrations. People would literally wave the hammer and sickle right outside of the LA Times building and it would be completely ignored.

Not to mention how journalists would stand there and listen to speeches such as the this, and not a peep would be mentioned in the news stories or TV coverage.

261 Ringo the Gringo  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 1:52:38pm

Now, all of a sudden the media can spot an offensive sign from a mile away and it makes the front page!

262 shortshrift  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 1:52:39pm

re: #163 voirdire

It could mean:
1. The person painting the sign is a nazi supporter and wants to intimidate a black man .
2. The person painting the sign sympathizes with opponents to the bill and the sign is a disparagement of the bill and its supporter.
3. The person painting the sign is a supporter of the bill, and wishes to inculpate bill opponents.

In all cases it is vandalism.

263 _RememberTonyC  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 1:52:48pm

re: #90 turn

I didn't know you worked in the media Tony. Have you read Goldberg's book? It says exactly the same thing, the bias is indisputable.

I'm no Bernie Goldberg, and CBS is one network I have NOT worked at. But I have seen a lot of what he has described. Many journalists feel they must take up the cause of whomever they see as the underdog, but often times they don't recognize the real underdogs when they see them. As a producer for many years, I have always done my best to be fair to both sides. I don't know any other way to do it. But nobody is perfect.

264 Ringo the Gringo  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 2:03:21pm

The interesting thing that I found when attending demonstrations during the Bush years was that most of the Left was utterly convinced that the media didn't give them good coverage because the media had (has) a right-wing / corporate bias in favor of "Bush's war agenda", when the fact was that the media actually sympathized with the demonstrators, but was also savvy enough to understand that showing America what these protests really looked like would actually hurt very cause with which they were sympathetic.

The big anti-war demonstrations would march right to the front door of the CNN building yet could not get a reporter to actually come out report the event as it really was.

265 Randall Gross  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 2:06:38pm

re: #198 LoquaciousLady

There are horrible nutters on the right and left. It just much easier for the left to hide their nutters with their media coverage dominance. This makes the right nutters stick out worse, like a sore thumb. When the left nutters come out, their buddies hide the damaging pics. When the right nutters come out, the media gets out the cameras and has a field day. Consequently, who looks nuttier?

The other part is that the leftist nutters are not out in force anymore now that they are in control. They've shifted from "anti-war" to "anti-Israel" now so you won't be seeing much of that...

266 Mr. Sandman  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 2:06:50pm

As kooky and even vile as some of the far left-wing protests and antics were, there is really no comparison to what's been going on over the last few weeks, not even something in the same galaxy as a comparison. Systematic bordering-on-mob behavior to intimidate and shut-down townhalls-- these tactics quite literally undermine democracy, they are quasi-fascistic tactics. Bringing loaded guns to townhalls, and even to an event in proximity where the President was passing through, with a sign implying that it may be time to kill the President. Can you even imagine anyone getting away with doing such a stunt toward Bush? Talk about a real double-standard; that would be completely unimaginable. The fringe-nut would have been arrested, likely imprisoned if he did that outside a Bush event. No one here, like the sick jerk who yesterday tried to invert reality and imply I'm somehow against freedom for being disturbed by such an act, would be defending his "right" to such an extreme stunt in relation to Bush. No one would be looking for technicalities to try to argue he has a "right" bring a gun outside a presidential event if Bush were the president.

267 Ringo the Gringo  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 2:10:05pm

I took this picture right outside of the CNN building on Sunset Blvd. Can you imagine CNN ignoring this if it were a white woman holding a picture of President Obama with a bullet hole through his head?

268 GreenSoccer  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 2:11:08pm

As others have mentioned, they are blowing the horn about the medal of freedom without mentioning how upset people are with the award going to Mary Robinson.
Well if they don't want to inform democrats about the action which took a great big bite out of a pillar of democrat support, that is their choice, and this within 8 months of taking office. I wonder how that particular column will be 3.5 years from now.

269 Charpete67  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 2:11:45pm

re: #266 Mr. Sandman

...did you watch the video above?...have you been to any of the anti-Bush rallies?...are you serious?...really...please tell me you forgot the sarc tag.

270 Mr. Sandman  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 2:21:14pm

re: #269 Charpete67


Unless you are going to show me someone with a loaded gun and a sign implying Bush should be killed near a Bush event, who not only got completely away with this extremist tactic but was allowed to stay there, then like I said, no comparison. So thanks for your stupid and worthless attempt to rebut my point in the earlier post.

271 Wendya  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 2:21:21pm

re: #266 Mr. Sandman

As kooky and even vile as some of the far left-wing protests and antics were, there is really no comparison to what's been going on over the last few weeks, not even something in the same galaxy as a comparison.

You've never attended a left wing protest, have you?

Some protesters on the right, are starting to eerily resemble the majority of the protesters from the left wing events I've attended. We've got a ways to go before we come close to equaling teh stupid I've seen over the last 8 years. Hopefully, we'll never get to that point.

272 Ringo the Gringo  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 2:24:04pm
(But please note: this does not excuse the unruly behavior or the very real extremism we’ve seen at some recent town hall meetings.)

Right you are.

If you act like a kook or behave like an unruly child I will photograph you too, just like I would any other moonbat.

273 Mr. Sandman  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 2:26:08pm

re: #271 Wendya

See my reply to Charpete67 above. Again, to I have to italicize these words: loaded gun? Do I have to put them in bold: loaded gun? Do I have to now draw the connection:

loaded guns--->townhall meetings
loaded guns--->presidential events

There, did that picture help my point sink through your thick skull? Again, thanks for the stupid reply.

274 Ringo the Gringo  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 2:31:02pm

re: #266 Mr. Sandman

I disagee with everything you said except the part about the loaded gun.

275 Wendya  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 2:32:15pm

re: #273 Mr. Sandman

See my reply to Charpete67 above. Again, to I have to italicize these words: loaded gun? Do I have to put them in bold: loaded gun? Do I have to now draw the connection:

loaded guns--->townhall meetings
loaded guns--->presidential events

There, did that picture help my point sink through your thick skull? Again, thanks for the stupid reply.

There are more loaded guns and assorted weapons at those type of events than you will ever know. Most people go out of their way NOT to advertise that fact. Really, think this through... if your intended goal is to take out a politician, do you show up in plain view holding a sign stating your intention and a rifle slung over your shoulder?

276 Mr. Sandman  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 2:38:25pm

re: #275 Wendya

There are more loaded guns and assorted weapons at those type of events than you will ever know. Most people go out of their way NOT to advertise that fact. Really, think this through... if your intended goal is to take out a politician, do you show up in plain view holding a sign stating your intention and a rifle slung over your shoulder?

Certainly that is what you might do to encourage an escalation of extremist tactics, to encourage more and more fringe nuts to bring loaded guns to these events, or to try something, so now instead of one guy you have a few dozen with guns who can't be managed, which could lead to a sudden violent, deadly act, against politicians or any citizen at the event. If that happens people like you will be indirectly responsible for tacitly approving of the extremist tactics building up to this.

277 Mr. Sandman  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 2:46:13pm

re: #275 Wendya

And neither you the other guy or anyone else here would even think of defending some nut who brought a loaded gun near to where the knew a Bush event was to occur. Not for one micro-second. You should at least acknowledge that point admit this double-standard. This double-standard implies at least one, if not a combination of different kinds of extreme prejudices on your parts.

278 Locker  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 3:16:40pm

Interesting article by Bredan Nyhan from earlier today regarding health care reporting:

[Link:www.brendan-nyhan.com... ]

As misinformation becomes a central issue in the health care debate, we're seeing some excellent examples of how news organizations should handle reporting on deceptive claims, but they're largely exceptions to the rule.
279 anotherindyfilmguy  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 4:36:05pm

(But please note: this does not excuse the unruly behavior or the very real extremism we’ve seen at some recent town hall meetings.)

Ummm... the two sets of protesters have not even come close to being comparable in their actions, the difference between the two is so staggering that I cannot even put the current expressions of outrage on anywhere near the same level as the BDS folks were in general during the Bush years.

280 BartB  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 9:32:15pm

One Senator asked why we cannot be more civil.
The Law she and others are proposing says it will FORCE me to follow their instructions or they will fine me thousands of dollars, take the money from my checking and banking accounts whether I like it or not. If there is not enough money there, they will put a lien on my house, my car, or my business.
A. I do not respond well to coercion. It tends to make me grumpy.
I do not consider it to be polite. In spite of my best intentions, I am
inclined to respond in kind.
The Law she and others are proposing says I am already to old to be worth saving. If I get seriously ill, I should just die and make room for someone more productive.
B. I do not respond well to looters.
The Law she and others are proposing is not good enough for her and her family.
C. If it is not good enough for one who "serves" in Congress, it is not good enough for me. I have already paid my dues.

281 moriarity  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 2:10:56am

re: #279 anotherindyfilmguy

Couldn't agree more! Maybe the lied to, brow beaten electorate should sit mutely, hands folded in laps and emit sighs of adoration at their outrageously arrogant Representatives. Only the Democrats and their ilk should be permitted to express legitimate anger and frustration. Can't we all see how far this has gotten us over the years?

282 arf  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 8:55:39am

Here’s an excellent editorial on healthcare payment reform, from the CEO of Whole Foods.

[Link: online.wsj.com...]

I agree 100%.

Let’s cover it…….oh wait, here’s someone who walked out of the local DNC headquarters with a stack of swastikas with Rush Limbaugh’s picture on it. Maybe tomorrow……..

283 arf  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 8:57:01am

Bear in mind, it's not theoretical. It's what they actually do. They walk the talk. And they have the data supporting their plan. Oh, here's another nirther...


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