Video: The Hubble Ultra Deep Field in 3D

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Here’s an excellent high definition video on the Hubble Ultra Deep Field images, with a 3D simulation that flies you through Hubble’s most awe-inspiring photographs.

The Deep Field images were created by pointing the Hubble Space Telescope for several days at a tiny patch of apparently empty sky — “empty” sky that turned out to be full of thousands and thousands of galaxies, each one containing hundreds of billions of stars. The light collected by the Hubble traveled for 13 billion years to reach the telescope’s CCD. It’s a snapshot of the universe when it was only 500 million years old.

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1 zombie  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 2:38:02pm

God sure made some purty galaxies 6,000 years ago!

2 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 2:39:05pm

Sigh. Universes. They grow up so fast.

3 turn  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 2:39:54pm

Maybe I'll come back tomorrow and find a good explanation of why they stated galaxies are moving away from one another in excess of the speed of light. I don't think that is possible. Later lizards, time to go walk the lab along the American

4 badger1970  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 2:40:37pm

re: #1 zombie

Careful someone might take offense. /

One of my first stops in the morning is the APotD. I'm just amazed and awe-struck of the beauty of the universe but yet will never get to explore.

5 Charles Johnson  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 2:42:18pm

Another creationist fanatic social con Republican being touted as a presidential candidate for whom I will never vote:

[Link: www.politico.com...]

6 KenJen  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 2:42:20pm

Breaking: The Lockerbie bomber will be on the loose soon. Great.

7 Kosh's Shadow  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 2:42:52pm

re: #3 turn

Maybe I'll come back tomorrow and find a good explanation of why they stated galaxies are moving away from one another in excess of the speed of light. I don't think that is possible. Later lizards, time to go walk the lab along the American

Space itself is expanding. Nothing can move through space faster than light, but space isn't expanding in some other medium, it is just expanding.

Space can be likened to the surface of a balloon. The surface is 2-dimensional. As the balloon is blown up, the surface expands, but it expands in 3 dimensions. Two points on the surface move apart at a speed proportional to the distance between them, but the points themselves aren't moving in their space.

8 Sharmuta  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 2:43:18pm

So incredible- thank you for sharing, Charles.

9 Kosh's Shadow  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 2:44:16pm

re: #6 KenJen

Breaking: The Lockerbie bomber will be on the loose soon. Great.

The only way he should be loose is on his way down from 30,000 feet with no parachute.
Maybe not that high. Don't want him to pass out and miss the fun. Just high enough so he reaches terminal velocity.

10 Bobblehead  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 2:44:27pm

Humbling, isn't it?

11 John Neverbend  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 2:44:38pm

Galaxies receding from the earth faster than the speed of light? That would violate special relativity, so I'm not a believer.

12 Mich-again  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 2:44:56pm

Very humbling video.

13 KenJen  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 2:45:36pm

re: #9 Kosh's Shadow

The only way he should be loose is on his way down from 30,000 feet with no parachute.
Maybe not that high. Don't want him to pass out and miss the fun. Just high enough so he reaches terminal velocity.

Guess he got his "get prostate cancer get out of jail free card"

14 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 2:45:36pm

HOOO HAH!
Wonderful, Charles!

15 Charles Johnson  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 2:46:06pm

How Can Galaxies Recede Faster than the Speed of Light?

As you look at galaxies further and further away, they appear to be moving faster and faster away from us. And it is possible that they could eventually appear to be moving away from us faster than the speed of light. At that point, light leaving the distant galaxy would never reach us.

When that happens, the distant galaxy would just fade away as the last of the photons reached Earth, and then we would never know it was ever there.

This sounds like it breaks Einstein's theories, but it doesn't. The galaxies themselves aren't actually moving very quickly through space, it's the space itself which is expanding away, and the galaxy is being carried along with it. As long as the galaxy doesn't try to move quickly through space, no physical laws are broken.

16 Kosh's Shadow  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 2:46:26pm

re: #11 John Neverbend

Galaxies receding from the earth faster than the speed of light? That would violate special relativity, so I'm not a believer.

It doesn't. See my #7 Kosh's Shadow

17 Gus  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 2:47:25pm

re: #5 Charles

Another creationist fanatic social con Republican being touted as a presidential candidate for whom I will never vote:

[Link: www.politico.com...]

Santorum? What are they kidding? He's makes Jindal look like a scientist.

18 ArchangelMichael  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 2:47:46pm

re: #1 zombie

God sure made some purty galaxies 6,000 years ago!

He also created photons coming from them, mid-flight at < 6000 LY too apparently.

19 Ojoe  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 2:48:34pm

At the speed of light, time stops.

From our viewpoint took 13 billion years to get here.

As far as the photon was concerned, it got here in no time at all.

To light in a vacuum, the universe is infinitely small and always brand new.

It is not a complete question to ask "How old is the universe," nor "How big."

20 Miss Molly  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 2:49:21pm

I stand in amazement of these photos. For me, I find it hard to understand distance and numbers of the Universe but mostly I wonder where did all this stuff come from to begin with.

21 Charles Johnson  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 2:49:34pm

Glenn Beck had quite an astounding little Hitlerfest on his show yesterday. Possibly the craziest episode of the Beck Comedy Hour yet.

The Democrats are building a master race with a program of eugenics.

Youtube Video
22 Randall Gross  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 2:50:29pm

re: #3 turn

Maybe I'll come back tomorrow and find a good explanation of why they stated galaxies are moving away from one another in excess of the speed of light. I don't think that is possible. Later lizards, time to go walk the lab along the American

Relativity. If we are moving one direction and the distant galaxy another at near light speeds, then the effective speed at which we are distancing from each can actually be faster than light. It leads to a lot of speculation.

23 Kosh's Shadow  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 2:50:59pm

re: #21 Charles

Glenn Beck had quite an astounding little Hitlerfest on his show yesterday. Possibly the craziest episode of the Beck Comedy Hour yet.

The Democrats are building a master race with a program of eugenics.


[Video]

How does that explain Cindy Sheehan, Code Pink, and the other wackos?
A moonbat race, maybe, but not a master race.

24 jcm  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 2:51:07pm

re: #9 Kosh's Shadow

The only way he should be loose is on his way down from 30,000 feet with no parachute.
Maybe not that high. Don't want him to pass out and miss the fun. Just high enough so he reaches terminal velocity.

1800ft...

15,000 we don't have the hypoxia and partial O2 pressure issues but a lot longer to think about things...

25 Gus  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 2:51:10pm

Santorum Amendment

The Santorum Amendment was an amendment to the 2001 education funding bill which became known as the No Child Left Behind Act, proposed by former Republican United States Senator Rick Santorum from Pennsylvania, which promotes the teaching of intelligent design while questioning the academic standing of evolution in U.S. public schools. Though the amendment only survives in modified form in the Bill's Conference Report and does not carry the weight of law, as one of the Discovery Institute intelligent design campaigns it became a cornerstone in the intelligent design movement's "Teach the Controversy" campaign...

26 calcajun  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 2:51:22pm

Just remember that you're standing on a planet that's evolving
And revolving at nine hundred miles an hour,
That's orbiting at nineteen miles a second, so it's reckoned,
A sun that is the source of all our power.
The sun and you and me and all the stars that we can see
Are moving at a million miles a day
In an outer spiral arm, at forty thousand miles an hour,
Of the galaxy we call the 'Milky Way'.

Our galaxy itself contains a hundred billion stars.
It's a hundred thousand light years side to side.
It bulges in the middle, sixteen thousand light years thick,
But out by us, it's just three thousand light years wide.
We're thirty thousand light years from galactic central point.
We go 'round every two hundred million years,
And our galaxy is only one of millions of billions
In this amazing and expanding universe.

The universe itself keeps on expanding and expanding
In all of the directions it can whizz
As fast as it can go, at the speed of light, you know,
Twelve million miles a minute, and that's the fastest speed there is.
So remember, when you're feeling very small and insecure,
How amazingly unlikely is your birth,
And pray that there's intelligent life somewhere up in space,
'Cause there's bugger all down here on Earth.

Can we have your liver now?

27 Ojoe  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 2:51:59pm

re: #22 Thanos

The cancellation of an insurance policy, effective everywhere in an instant, moves faster than light as well.

28 [deleted]  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 2:52:05pm
29 Kosh's Shadow  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 2:52:29pm

re: #22 Thanos

Relativity. If we are moving one direction and the distant galaxy another at near light speeds, then the effective speed at which we are distancing from each can actually be faster than light. It leads to a lot of speculation.

Actually, speeds don't add that way in relativity; you still get a relative speed of less than the speed of light.
The answer is that space can expand faster than light, but it isn't expanding in space. The answers have been posted; I posted one and Charles found a link and posted it as well.

30 Mich-again  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 2:52:40pm

If the stars are really racing away from Earth, growing dimmer and dimmer, just imagine what the night sky must have looked like 10,000 years ago. Especially without all of the light pollution that fills the skies nowadays.

No wonder the people from early civilizations were so into stargazing. It must have been a spectacular show every night.

31 Bobblehead  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 2:52:50pm

The Webb telescope which will orbit a million miles from earth will be launched in 2014. The info gathered from that device will really blow our minds.

32 Kosh's Shadow  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 2:53:14pm

re: #24 jcm

1800ft...

15,000 we don't have the hypoxia and partial O2 pressure issues but a lot longer to think about things...

15,000 it is, then.

33 CyanSnowHawk  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 2:53:20pm

re: #23 Kosh's Shadow

How does that explain Cindy Sheehan, Code Pink, and the other wackos?
A moonbat race, maybe, but not a master race.

Failed experiments?

34 Silvergirl  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 2:53:43pm

We are not alone!

35 Sharmuta  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 2:54:05pm

re: #21 Charles

Glenn Beck had quite an astounding little Hitlerfest on his show yesterday. Possibly the craziest episode of the Beck Comedy Hour yet.

The Democrats are building a master race with a program of eugenics.


[Video]

But Charles- we must have answers!

36 Killgore Trout  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 2:54:13pm

It's impressive to see 6,000 years back to the beginning of the universe!
/

37 [deleted]  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 2:54:22pm
38 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 2:54:43pm

re: #28 buzzsawmonkey

Galaxies recede faster than the speed of light because they are going bald.

Anyone who has ever suffered from pattern baldness knows that it occurs with blinding rapidity.

I'm sure that's one circumstance in which you'd love to have the hair of the bit that dogs you.

39 Ojoe  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 2:54:48pm

re: #30 Mich-again

I once tried to find a photo that would show how many stars a cat would see at night, with its much-better-than-human vision.

I couldn't find one on the web, but it would be interesting to see.

40 Killgore Trout  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 2:54:48pm

re: #36 Killgore Trout

I see zombie already beat me to that one.

41 Kosh's Shadow  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 2:55:05pm

re: #30 Mich-again

If the stars are really racing away from Earth, growing dimmer and dimmer, just imagine what the night sky must have looked like 10,000 years ago. Especially without all of the light pollution that fills the skies nowadays.

No wonder the people from early civilizations were so into stargazing. It must have been a spectacular show every night.

Not much expansion in 10,000 years, and since galaxies are gravitationally bound, they don't expand themselves. Thus, the night sky would be the same.
Except for light pollution. Now, if we hadn't discovered how to make fire,...

42 Kosh's Shadow  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 2:56:10pm

re: #35 Sharmuta

But Charles- we must have answers!

That you, Captain Kirk?

43 jgmilleriii  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 2:56:14pm

Just magnificent!

44 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 2:56:16pm

re: #41 Kosh's Shadow

Not much expansion in 10,000 years, and since galaxies are gravitationally bound, they don't expand themselves. Thus, the night sky would be the same.
Except for light pollution. Now, if we hadn't discovered how to make fire,...

Wasn't fire. Was that bum Thomas Edison.

45 Killgore Trout  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 2:56:31pm

re: #21 Charles

Love how he keeps saying that eugenics isn't coming but it's coming. I think the FOX legal department makes him give those disclaimers.

46 jcm  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 2:56:58pm

re: #30 Mich-again

If the stars are really racing away from Earth, growing dimmer and dimmer, just imagine what the night sky must have looked like 10,000 years ago. Especially without all of the light pollution that fills the skies nowadays.

No wonder the people from early civilizations were so into stargazing. It must have been a spectacular show every night.

Just camping in the North cascades at 8000ft, 100 miles from a major source of light pollution, and 20 miles from any artificial light is STUNNING!

47 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 2:57:01pm

re: #41 Kosh's Shadow

Now, if we hadn't discovered how to make fire,...

We'd have to eat troll buttocks raw.

48 Randall Gross  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 2:57:20pm

re: #29 Kosh's Shadow

Actually, speeds don't add that way in relativity; you still get a relative speed of less than the speed of light.
The answer is that space can expand faster than light, but it isn't expanding in space. The answers have been posted; I posted one and Charles found a link and posted it as well.

That's what I meant, I just didn't say it well. I was picturing a bubble universe as I typed.

49 Silvergirl  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 2:57:37pm

No offense against temples and cathedrals when I say that a glimpse into the galaxies like this (and the peaceful music presented with it) puts me in a state of awe more than anything we could build.

Of course a great sunset does it for me too.

50 [deleted]  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 2:57:56pm
51 John Neverbend  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 2:57:58pm

re: #16 Kosh's Shadow

It doesn't. See my #7 Kosh's Shadow

OK, I read this, and now I'm a believer. Curious about astronomy?

Einstein is safe.

52 Kosh's Shadow  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 2:58:24pm

re: #48 Thanos

That's what I meant, I just didn't say it well. I was picturing a bubble universe as I typed.

I can accept that. This stuff is hard to understand, and even harder to explain.

53 ArchangelMichael  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 2:58:39pm

re: #11 John Neverbend

Galaxies receding from the earth faster than the speed of light? That would violate special relativity, so I'm not a believer.

Special Relativity is only valid in inertial frames of reference in flat space-time.

An easier way to visualize the receding effect is this:

A -1 in- B -1 in- C

If the space in between objects expands, without them moving, at a rate of 1 inch per second after 1 second it will look like this:

A -- 2 in -- B -- 2 in -- C

B is now 2 inches away from A but C is 4, not 3. The farther something is away, the fast it seems to go.

A --- 3 in --- B --- 3in --- C

B is 3 inches away, and C is now 6 so in the case of the distance from A to C, it seems to be increasing 2 in per sec rather than 1 because it's farther away. Eventually that rate can exceed c if the object is far enough away, because nothing is actually moving.

54 Killgore Trout  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 2:58:54pm

The lefties are pleased with themselves fro intimidating sponsors to stop advertising on Beck's show. About 6 or 7 sponsors have pulled advertising. Beck still has the 3rd highest rated show on cable news and other people will buy the spots. I doubt this even effects the price advertisers pay for airtime.

55 Ojoe  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 2:59:05pm

re: #49 Silvergirl

The structure inside an airship is pretty awesome too, a cathedral built in the sky as it were.

Few of them stayed there.

56 Kosh's Shadow  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 2:59:11pm

re: #50 buzzsawmonkey

Had it not been for Prometheus, some amateur metheus would have figured it out.

So how many stars did the caveman astronomer Carl Thagan see?
Hmmm. He didn't have a word for "billions"

57 Charles Johnson  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 2:59:40pm

Beck started crying again yesterday too.

58 Mich-again  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 3:00:01pm

re: #41 Kosh's Shadow

Not much expansion in 10,000 years, and since galaxies are gravitationally bound, they don't expand themselves. Thus, the night sky would be the same.

10,000 years racing away from us at such incredible speed had to make those galaxies appear dimmer on Earth.

59 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 3:00:56pm

re: #55 Ojoe

The structure inside an airship is pretty awesome too, a cathedral built in the sky as it were.

Few of them stayed there.

btw, are any of the old rigid-frame airships still around?
/obviously, in a museum

60 Kosh's Shadow  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 3:01:00pm

re: #58 Mich-again

10,000 years racing away from us at such incredible speed had to make those galaxies appear dimmer on Earth.

They're already so far away the difference is negligible.
The closest galaxy is 2.5 - 2.9 MILLION light years away. And the others are much further.

61 Randall Gross  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 3:01:17pm

re: #57 Charles

Beck started crying again yesterday too.

Hey, nothing wrong with crying. The deep space video made my eyes water at the magnificence of the universe.

62 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 3:01:18pm

re: #21 Charles

Glenn Beck had quite an astounding little Hitlerfest on his show yesterday. Possibly the craziest episode of the Beck Comedy Hour yet.

The Democrats are building a master race with a program of eugenics.



Now, O.W. Holmes was nominated to the court by Theodore Roosevelt. And Roosevelt ran as both a Republican and...GASP...a 'Progressive'. So, who should we blame America's history of eugenics on...the conservatives or the progressives? I'm confused.

Oh yeah, Margaret Sanger. It was her fault.

///Sorry, being silly here. Beck is losing it.

63 Ojoe  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 3:01:23pm

re: #58 Mich-again

Yes but dimmer as a percentage, not very much perhaps.

64 Silvergirl  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 3:01:35pm

re: #57 Charles

Beck started crying again yesterday too.

Charles, will ya let a man have a few tears in private?

I mean in front of millions of viewers?

/

65 jaunte  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 3:01:45pm

re: #57 Charles

What was he crying about?

66 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 3:02:00pm

re: #23 Kosh's Shadow

How does that explain Cindy Sheehan, Code Pink, and the other wackos?
A moonbat race, maybe, but not a master race.

I suppose it all depends on what you think is superior...but I don't think any of those folks were engineered. They just happened to happen.

67 John Neverbend  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 3:02:04pm

re: #53 ArchangelMichael

Special Relativity is only valid in inertial frames of reference in flat space-time.

The article I just posted cleared it up for me. Now that I understand what is meant by the universe "expanding faster than light", and how it's not talking about velocities in the way that is described in the equations of special relativity, I get it.

68 opnion  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 3:02:38pm

Wait a minute, I thought the Universe was only 6,000 years old, or is that the Earth or maybe Helen Thomas? No matter 6,000 is the number, yeah that's the ticket.

69 ArchangelMichael  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 3:03:21pm

re: #65 jaunte

What was he crying about?

He received word that he will have to share a tent with Alex Jones at the FEMA camp.

70 Kosh's Shadow  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 3:03:51pm

re: #59 pre-Boomer Marine brat

btw, are any of the old rigid-frame airships still around?
/obviously, in a museum

I don't think so. The Graf Zeppelin II (sister ship to the Hindenburg) was disassembled and its metal used in aircraft.
The Graf Zeppelin I was disassembled even earlier.
Most of the other airships I can think of didn't have such nice endings.
It is hard making something rigid and light enough to fly; and they were so large that weather was a big problem. Just look at the Akron and the Macon.

71 jcm  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 3:03:58pm

re: #59 pre-Boomer Marine brat

btw, are any of the old rigid-frame airships still around?
/obviously, in a museum

Zepplins are back...

World's largest zeppelin dedicated at NASA facility-

NASA celebrated the 75th anniversary of this iconic airfield and research center on Friday by dedicating a brand-new zeppelin from a private company called Airship Ventures.

The zeppelin NT ("new technology"), which is one of just three currently functioning zeppelins that exist in the world, and the biggest, at 246 feet, was named "Eureka," a name that relates to the fact that the ship is based in California, as well as the fact that it is "rooted in scientific principles," said Brian Bell, a co-founder of Airship Ventures, the ship's owner, minutes before he revealed the new name.

72 DEZes  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 3:03:59pm

Hubble ultra deep field in high res.

73 Randall Gross  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 3:04:29pm

Since we are talking eugenics and Glen refers to "the birth of eugenics" I will remind everyone that it's been practiced in nearly every tribal society that ever existed since antiquity and that Plato was the first to suggest it in writing that I know of.
Maybe they didn't call it eugenics, but same difference.

74 John Neverbend  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 3:04:39pm

re: #53 ArchangelMichael


An easier way to visualize the receding effect is this:

I'm embarrassed to say I used exactly your calculation about 6 months ago when I was explaining basic cosmology to my daughter, and I completely forgot about it! I'm obviously getting tired.

75 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 3:05:13pm

re: #73 Thanos

Since we are talking eugenics and Glen refers to "the birth of eugenics" I will remind everyone that it's been practiced in nearly every tribal society that ever existed since antiquity and that Plato was the first to suggest it in writing that I know of.
Maybe they didn't call it eugenics, but same difference.

Plato was a liberal?

//

76 Charles Johnson  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 3:05:25pm

Here's a longer series of clips from the Beck Comedy Hour. The guests on the show sat and stared at him as he drew a weird tree illustration and tried to get them to agree with his Hitler eugenics stuff... amazing. Check it out at about 9:50.

Youtube Video
77 jaunte  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 3:06:11pm

74,000 hits for 'Glen Beck crying again.'
[Link: www.google.com...]

78 ointmentfly  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 3:06:23pm

re: #68 opnion

Wait a minute, I thought the Universe was only 6,000 years old, or is that the Earth or maybe Helen Thomas? No matter 6,000 is the number, yeah that's the ticket.

I reall can't wrap my head around astronomy... "Hey lets point the Hubble over there where there is nothing... Oh wow, 3000 more galaxies moving away from use at the speed of light"... If they have it all figured out with the physics of outer space, why can't they figure out how to model climate?

79 Ojoe  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 3:06:58pm

re: #59 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Not even in a museum, except a few fragments & one replica piece I have seen in a photo.
Airship structure partial replica

80 keithgabryelski  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 3:07:10pm

re: #11 John Neverbend

Galaxies receding from the earth faster than the speed of light? That would violate special relativity, so I'm not a believer.

Basically, "space" is expanding such that a meter now is not what a meter was a long time ago. Measurements being different make these Galaxies "appear" to recede from the earth faster than the speed of light.

[Link: www.astro.ucla.edu...]

81 Kosh's Shadow  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 3:07:24pm

re: #78 ointmentfly

I reall can't wrap my head around astronomy... "Hey lets point the Hubble over there where there is nothing... Oh wow, 3000 more galaxies moving away from use at the speed of light"... If they have it all figured out with the physics of outer space, why can't they figure out how to model climate?

They don't have it all figured out either. We have some good models for regular stars, but not quite there for supernovas; we don't know what dark matter or dark energy is; and there are a lot of other open questions.

82 Mich-again  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 3:07:49pm

re: #73 Thanos

The beginning of the movie "The 300" made it clear the Spartans practiced eugenics. I don't remember the Glen Becks of the world protesting about it.

83 Kosh's Shadow  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 3:09:47pm

re: #71 jcm

Your link had a very intersting article from yesterday:
Judge orders Microsoft to stop selling Word
due to patent infringement.
(Software patents are out of hand; they're granted to things that are obvious to any skilled practitioner of the art; the problem is, fighting the lawsuit would bankrupt small companies. It will be interesting to see what Microsoft does.)

84 opnion  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 3:10:04pm

re: #72 DEZes

Hubble ultra deep field in high res.

Wow, it does give you a perspective on your own existence.

85 [deleted]  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 3:10:05pm
86 DEZes  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 3:10:07pm

re: #60 Kosh's Shadow

They're already so far away the difference is negligible.
The closest galaxy is 2.5 - 2.9 MILLION light years away. And the others are much further.

Thats partially true, a dwarf galaxy is 25000 light years from mother Earth.
But for all practical purposes, it is now part of the Milky Way.

[Link: apod.nasa.gov...]

87 jvic  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 3:10:26pm

I'm proud of America for the moon landing. I'm proud of our solar system exploration, Hubble, etc in a different way.

Proud isn't quite the word. It's more like we were offered the privilege of doing these things on behalf of humanity--and we accepted the challenge.

I hope a renaissance returns us to our true selves but, whatever happens, history can never take those achievements away.

88 calcajun  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 3:10:31pm

re: #28 buzzsawmonkey

Galaxies recede faster than the speed of light because they are going bald.

Anyone who has ever suffered from pattern baldness knows that it occurs with blinding rapidity.

Not so true. There is follicle symmetry to the universe-- for every hair that falls from your head, another grows on your back.

89 John Neverbend  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 3:10:53pm

re: #80 keithgabryelski

Basically, "space" is expanding such that a meter now is not what a meter was a long time ago. Measurements being different make these Galaxies "appear" to recede from the earth faster than the speed of light.

Here's an excellent explanation, pointing out what's been confusing students (and me) for a long time. Misconceptions about the Big Bang

I was thinking about the Doppler red shift, not the cosmological red shift.

90 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 3:10:54pm

re: #71 jcm

Thanks!

91 Kosh's Shadow  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 3:11:25pm

re: #86 DEZes

Thats partially true, a dwarf galaxy is 25000 light years from mother Earth.
But for all practical purposes, it is now part of the Milky Way.

[Link: apod.nasa.gov...]

Yes, I was referring to a regular full-size galaxy.
I guess I was being sizeist.

92 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 3:11:52pm

Also from deepastronomy.com:

Apophis: The Asteroid That Could Smash Into The Earth on Friday, April 13th, 2036

93 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 3:12:14pm

re: #82 Mich-again

The beginning of the movie "The 300" made it clear the Spartans practiced eugenics. I don't remember the Glen Becks of the world protesting about it.

The Spartans, sadly, have gotten to be some kind of symbol for a lot of people after 300.

They practiced eugenics.

They did not live in nuclear family units.

They treated their serfs in a manner that would have made the Taliban proud.

They were religious fanatics.

There's a lot more. Being something of an historical moral relativist, I shouldn't bash them too much, but damn, it was not a nice society in an awful lot of ways. And it certainly was a viciously collectivist one, which might ring some bells for some people, but NOOO.

Somehow, I keep finding people on conservative sites talking about how cool they were, and how into FREEDOM, because they saw that damn movie, and because the Spartans in the movie were fighting people whose descendents would become Muslims.

Give me those citizen soldiers who get treated like shit, from Acharnaia or wherever. Those are people who work for a living, and fight when they need to.

Irrational rant over.

94 Charles Johnson  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 3:13:30pm

Beck weeping yesterday. He uses his daughter's cerebral palsy to promote his Democrat eugenics craziness. Utterly shameless.

Liveleak Video
95 ointmentfly  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 3:13:49pm

re: #92 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Also from deepastronomy.com:

Apophis: The Asteroid That Could Smash Into The Earth on Friday, April 13th, 2036

Perfect... I will be just about be of age to either start wearing adult diapers... much rather take an asteroid on the chin...

96 reine.de.tout  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 3:14:04pm

Those images gave me chills when I saw this video on VX's FB page the other day; and it gave me chills again today.
Just spectacular.

97 DEZes  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 3:14:06pm

re: #91 Kosh's Shadow

Yes, I was referring to a regular full-size galaxy.
I guess I was being sizeist.

Our Galaxy is a cannibal. ;)

98 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 3:14:25pm

re: #70 Kosh's Shadow

re: #79 Ojoe

Thanks to both.

99 opnion  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 3:14:40pm

re: #78 ointmentfly

I reall can't wrap my head around astronomy... "Hey lets point the Hubble over there where there is nothing... Oh wow, 3000 more galaxies moving away from use at the speed of light"... If they have it all figured out with the physics of outer space, why can't they figure out how to model climate?

The enormity & beauty of it all is awe insiring & humbling.
Our knowledge of the Univers is growing, but I don't believe that
we have yet scratched the surface.

100 Diamond Bullet  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 3:16:05pm

re: #21 Charles

Glenn Beck had quite an astounding little Hitlerfest on his show yesterday. Possibly the craziest episode of the Beck Comedy Hour yet.

The Democrats are building a master race with a program of eugenics.

I almost wish that were true. The Democrat version of a master race would be a nearsighted vegan metrosexual with an extra set of arms to hold protest signs or clip boards for neighborhood organizing drives, but with the sex drive of Vatican castrati. They'd spend so much time attending to their mulch fields and interpretive dance competitions that they'd (non)breed themselves to extinction in a single generation. It sort of reminds me of Democrat friends who speculate about the possibility of Civil War in the US between red and blue states, until I point out that only one half of that equation believes in private gun ownership. Then they start mumbling about the greater good.

101 reine.de.tout  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 3:16:06pm

re: #94 Charles

Beck weeping yesterday. He uses his daughter's cerebral palsy to promote his Democrat eugenics craziness. Utterly shameless.


[Video]

Beck weeps more than I do, and I'm a gur-rul.

I understand things being emotional; but when everything in your life is so emotionally overwhelming it leads to constant weeping, something is seriously wrong.

102 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 3:16:23pm

100 comments. I can go OT.

I saw a bumper sticker out there today:

God bless our military
Especially the snipers

I may not be the most mature and nuanced thing to do, but I snickered.

103 ointmentfly  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 3:16:42pm

re: #94 Charles

Beck weeping yesterday. He uses his daughter's cerebral palsy to promote his Democrat eugenics craziness. Utterly shameless.

Liveleak Video


Not going to watch the video, but until the anointed one can explain how he will pay for his health care plan without rationing care and without destroying the current system, I am with Beck.

104 Pawn of the Oppressor  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 3:16:46pm

re: #31 Bobblehead

The Webb telescope which will orbit a million miles from earth will be launched in 2014. The info gathered from that device will really blow our minds.

I think that last sentence would work great for NASA promotional material. Imagine a press conference in which the lead scientist says that dead-pan.

"Sir, Bob Reporter from NBC news. What do we hope to learn from the Webb telescope?"

"The information gathered from this device will really blow our minds."

"Can you elaborate?"

"Come on, man. Do I need to?"

105 Mich-again  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 3:16:48pm

re: #92 pre-Boomer Marine brat

From the link...

The Tunguska Event is believed to be an explosion of a meteorite in the air above Siberia.

Not actually. It was a comet. People around the world observed glowing clouds in the night time sky in the days after the Tunguska Event. That indicates water.

106 Kosh's Shadow  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 3:16:58pm

re: #97 DEZes

Our Galaxy is a cannibal. ;)

All large galaxies are. That's how they get big.

107 jaunte  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 3:17:31pm

re: #94 Charles

That's a pretty blatant piece of manipulation, complete with an upfront denial that he's saying what he's saying.

108 John Neverbend  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 3:17:56pm

re: #92 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Also from deepastronomy.com:

Apophis: The Asteroid That Could Smash Into The Earth on Friday, April 13th, 2036

"I thought," he said, "that if the world was going to end, we were meant to lie down or put a paper bag over our head or something."

"If you like, yes," said Ford.

"That's what they told us in the army," said the man, and his eyes began the long trek back down to his whiskey.

"Will that help?" asked the barman.

"No," said Ford and gave him a friendly smile.

109 DEZes  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 3:18:42pm

re: #106 Kosh's Shadow

All large galaxies are. That's how they get big.

Sounds like my ex. ;)

110 Sharmuta  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 3:19:01pm

As far as Beck goes- fox news is starting to drift into irresponsible journalism.

111 callahan23  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 3:19:16pm

re: #108 John Neverbend

"I thought," he said, "that if the world was going to end, we were meant to lie down or put a paper bag over our head or something."

"If you like, yes," said Ford.

"That's what they told us in the army," said the man, and his eyes began the long trek back down to his whiskey.

"Will that help?" asked the barman.

"No," said Ford and gave him a friendly smile.

And the answer is 42.

112 ArchangelMichael  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 3:19:32pm

re: #86 DEZes

Thats partially true, a dwarf galaxy is 25000 light years from mother Earth.
But for all practical purposes, it is now part of the Milky Way.

[Link: apod.nasa.gov...]

Our galaxy is actually going through 2 collisions with other galaxies right now. The Sagittarius Dwarf Elliptical and Canis Major Dwarf Irregular galaxies both are merging with or being ripped to shreds by ours. The Large Magellanic Cloud and the Sag-DEG might actually be remnants of another smaller spiral galaxy that collided with the Milky Way a very long time ago.

113 Kosh's Shadow  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 3:19:35pm

re: #111 callahan23

And the answer is 42.

But what is the question?

114 Digital Display  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 3:20:12pm

re: #102 EmmmieG

100 comments. I can go OT.

I saw a bumper sticker out there today:

God bless our military
Especially the snipers

I may not be the most mature and nuanced thing to do, but I snickered.

LOL
Sometimes I tell Fallujah stories here...
Our Marines are the best in the world

115 doppelganglander  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 3:20:33pm

re: #94 Charles

It's just wrong to give a mentally unstable person his own TV show.

116 jcm  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 3:20:51pm

re: #90 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Thanks!

Only three.

Airship Ventures photo gallery.
About 3/4 of the way down some shots of the airframe under construction.

How much longer until luxury airship cruises? I'd buy a ticket!

117 opnion  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 3:21:18pm

re: #103 ointmentfly

Not going to watch the video, but until the anointed one can explain how he will pay for his health care plan without rationing care and without destroying the current system, I am with Beck.

There is no way to do it without rationing & lowering doctor fee schedules , which will add to the shortage.
Obama has favored single payer for a long time. He now disavows that, to make this proposal more palatable. I believe firmly that this is the first step, which would segue to Sinlge Payer.

118 Scion9  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 3:21:23pm

re: #93 SanFranciscoZionist

I'm not sure the love affair with Sparta has much or anything to do with politics, or desiring to live in a Spartan society. There is a Romantic vision of the warriors of old. You see the same kind of fanciful views of the Samurai, Imperial Rome, Knights in shining armor, the Wild West, et cetera. People are just into badasses, with warrior codes or rough and tumble characters. The Spartans are far and away the quintessential ancient badassses with warrior codes (despite getting those badasses kicked by the Athenians). It's all about the literary legacy of Romanticism. I'd get used to it, as it isn't going anywhere obviously.

119 [deleted]  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 3:21:24pm
120 jcm  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 3:21:33pm

re: #92 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Also from deepastronomy.com:

Apophis: The Asteroid That Could Smash Into The Earth on Friday, April 13th, 2036

OMYGODWEREALLGOINGTODIE!

121 Mich-again  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 3:21:37pm

re: #112 ArchangelMichael

I heard Obama released a statement apologizing to the Sagittarius Dwarf Elliptical and Canis Major Dwarf Irregular galaxies for the irresponsible and regrettable behavior of the Milky Way. Next up, reparations.
/

122 DEZes  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 3:22:17pm

re: #112 ArchangelMichael

Our galaxy is actually going through 2 collisions with other galaxies right now. The Sagittarius Dwarf Elliptical and Canis Major Dwarf Irregular galaxies both are merging with or being ripped to shreds by ours. The Large Magellanic Cloud and the Sag-DEG might actually be remnants of another smaller spiral galaxy that collided with the Milky Way a very long time ago.

Seems I read that we will collide with Andromeda, but I am going from memory, true or false, it wont affect any one for a very long time.

123 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 3:22:22pm

re: #109 DEZes

Sounds like my ex. ;)

There's a "will work for food" joke (or snark) in there, but of COURSE I ...

(*crickets*)

124 Gus  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 3:22:27pm

re: #94 Charles

Beck weeping yesterday. He uses his daughter's cerebral palsy to promote his Democrat eugenics craziness. Utterly shameless.


[Video]

That's screwed up. Glenn Beck is disgusting. I don't care how much Fox News makes off of that show but they're aiding and abating in spreading ignorance, fear, and paranoia.

Trash TV led by an equally trashy Rupert Murdoch.

125 John Neverbend  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 3:22:32pm

re: #113 Kosh's Shadow

But what is the question?

What is 6 x 9 in base 13?

126 Silvergirl  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 3:22:56pm

re: #115 doppelganglander

It's just wrong to give a mentally unstable person his own TV show.

I saw him several times when he was on CNN and just a few times on Fox. Miles of differences. CNN must have kept his straps tighter.

127 jaunte  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 3:23:03pm

re: #121 Mich-again

Maybe they'll take our extra carbon.

128 callahan23  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 3:23:14pm

re: #113 Kosh's Shadow

But what is the question?

What is the: Answer to Life, the Universe, and Everything ?

129 doppelganglander  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 3:23:16pm

re: #119 buzzsawmonkey

...which goes for Keith Olbermann, too.

Seriously. I am expecting him to someday have a stroke on live television.

130 jcm  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 3:23:26pm

re: #125 John Neverbend

What is 6 x 9 in base 13?

42, duh.

;-P

131 ArchangelMichael  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 3:23:33pm

re: #121 Mich-again

I heard Obama released a statement apologizing to the Sagittarius Dwarf Elliptical and Canis Major Dwarf Irregular galaxies for the irresponsible and regrettable behavior of the Milky Way. Next up, reparations.
/

He has to apologize for Earth crashing into Theia first. Then give a non-apology apology to the Moon for making it feel bad about it's creation.

132 Mich-again  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 3:23:53pm

re: #129 doppelganglander

Seriously. I am expecting him to someday have a stroke on live television.

Who would notice?

133 DEZes  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 3:23:53pm

re: #123 pre-Boomer Marine brat

There's a "will work for food" joke (or snark) in there, but of COURSE I ...

(*crickets*)

My last girl friend would eat, but work was not in her vocabulary. ;)

134 Pawn of the Oppressor  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 3:23:58pm

re: #93 SanFranciscoZionistThere's nothing irrational at all about your rant. Think of how much damage has been done by ignorant people who call back on some non-existent "golden age" to legitimize their ridiculous beliefs.

"The truth will set you free" and in this case, the truth was that the movie was a comic-book-style movie based on a comic book, which was in turn based on the author's remembrances of a movie he saw as a child, which in a further turn, was probably a bad interpretation of a cursory reading of history... So when you get to the point where you think the Spartans in "300" are real historical role models, you're what, about five or six degrees removed from historical truth? Maybe more? That's pretty sad.

135 [deleted]  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 3:24:33pm
136 Silvergirl  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 3:24:44pm

re: #119 buzzsawmonkey

...which goes for Keith Olbermann, too.

They let their people run amok on MSNBC too.

137 doppelganglander  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 3:25:13pm

re: #135 buzzsawmonkey

Who knows what he is doing to himself behind that desk?

After all the trouble you stirred up on the last thread, do you really want to go there? ;)

138 Gus  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 3:25:16pm

Help Wanted: Fox News Host

Education Requirements: None, ability to read English optional.

Physical: Must have blonde hair. Able to cry on command.

//

139 opnion  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 3:25:21pm

re: #121 Mich-again

I heard Obama released a statement apologizing to the Sagittarius Dwarf Elliptical and Canis Major Dwarf Irregular galaxies for the irresponsible and regrettable behavior of the Milky Way. Next up, reparations.
/

"People of Berlin, People of the Universe"

140 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 3:25:34pm

re: #134 Pawn of the Oppressor

Do you know what the first thing we would notice about the past? Here's my guess

If we went at night? The darkness of it all

If we went during the day? The smell. No deodorant, little bathing, lots of manual labor, and bad lavatory systems

141 tradewind  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 3:25:44pm

Stabenow must have spent too much time in space... the space in her head.
Just shoot me now if these people are crafting our health care system:

I feel it (global warming) when I'm flying. The storms are more volatile.


[Link: community.detnews.com...]

142 Kosh's Shadow  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 3:25:46pm

re: #121 Mich-again

I heard Obama released a statement apologizing to the Sagittarius Dwarf Elliptical and Canis Major Dwarf Irregular galaxies for the irresponsible and regrettable behavior of the Milky Way. Next up, reparations.
/

He's also told the galaxy to stop confiscating stars from other galaxies, and is sending aid to those galaxies to compensate them for this.

143 tradewind  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 3:26:47pm

re: #115 doppelganglander

I agree... Keith Olbermann should be booted asap.

144 Kosh's Shadow  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 3:26:54pm

re: #122 DEZes

Seems I read that we will collide with Andromeda, but I am going from memory, true or false, it wont affect any one for a very long time.

You are correct.
Since Andromeda is at least 2.5 million light years away, don't wait up for the crash.

145 callahan23  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 3:27:08pm

re: #137 doppelganglander

After all the trouble you stirred up on the last thread, do you really want to go there? ;)

Do let him, puleeze ? ! ?
's so much fun.

146 VioletTiger  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 3:27:22pm

re: #120 jcm

OMYGODWEREALLGOINGTODIE!


Dang!
And I will just about have that beach front property due to global warming, and then *splat*./

147 DEZes  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 3:27:44pm

re: #144 Kosh's Shadow

You are correct.
Since Andromeda is at least 2.5 million light years away, don't wait up for the crash.

I plan on being dead by then.

148 doppelganglander  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 3:28:18pm

re: #140 EmmmieG

Do you know what the first thing we would notice about the past? Here's my guess

If we went at night? The darkness of it all

If we went during the day? The smell. No deodorant, little bathing, lots of manual labor, and bad lavatory systems

When we play the "what time in history would you like to visit" game, I always pick Rome. Lots of baths and very good sewer systems.

149 Mich-again  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 3:28:23pm

re: #134 Pawn of the Oppressor

"The 300" is based on a historical event. The Battle of Thermopylae in 480 B.C.

150 [deleted]  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 3:28:23pm
151 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 3:28:23pm

re: #133 DEZes

My last girl friend would eat, but work was not in her vocabulary. ;)

*crickets*

/a very interesting read (if you want to order it, go thru Charles' link)

152 ointmentfly  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 3:28:34pm

re: #117 opnion

There is no way to do it without rationing & lowering doctor fee schedules , which will add to the shortage.
Obama has favored single payer for a long time. He now disavows that, to make this proposal more palatable. I believe firmly that this is the first step, which would segue to Sinlge Payer.

Unintended consequences is something not in the liberal politician's vocabulary, especially since their correction in usually means more government control and governent spending.

153 Pawn of the Oppressor  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 3:28:54pm

re: #140 EmmmieG

Do you know what the first thing we would notice about the past? Here's my guess

If we went at night? The darkness of it all

If we went during the day? The smell. No deodorant, little bathing, lots of manual labor, and bad lavatory systems

One of my history teachers in college, describing industrial age England with his Liverpool (liverpudlian?) accent:

"The streets were coovered in shit. Coovered. In Shit."

Not news to me, or him, and he was clearly using the line as a shocker to get the other students to think differently about the past, but still... Covered in shit! They never put that in the movies!

154 Alaska Kim  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 3:28:54pm

re: #102 EmmmieG

100 comments. I can go OT.

I saw a bumper sticker out there today:

God bless our military
Especially the snipers

I may not be the most mature and nuanced thing to do, but I snickered.

Good one!
I have one that says:

I neutered the cat.
Now he's a liberal.

It sparks road rage almost daily. heh

155 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 3:29:07pm

re: #135 buzzsawmonkey

Who knows what he is doing to himself behind that desk?

Then it might be useless to tell him to get a grip?

156 doppelganglander  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 3:29:10pm

re: #150 buzzsawmonkey

I didn't stir up any trouble. I am not responsible for someone choosing to pursue stealth vendettas behind a line of bright chatter and manufactured PC outrage.

I know. Hence the wink.

157 VioletTiger  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 3:29:13pm

re: #147 DEZes

I plan on being dead by then.

Nonsense. You will live many, many years due to Obamacare.///

158 Silvergirl  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 3:29:34pm

re: #120 jcm

OMYGODWEREALLGOINGTODIE!

Big Apophis is killing us!

(Is that how it goes? That Big Oil person was before my time, but he/she is oft quoted)

159 Digital Display  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 3:29:44pm

re: #154 Alaska Kim

Good evening! hope you are well

160 tradewind  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 3:30:14pm

re: #135 buzzsawmonkey

Who knows what he is doing to himself behind that desk?


Laughing as he checks his balance.
He'll probably eventually have a meltdown that won't fly, but in the meantime, his ratings and his bank account are both way up there.

161 ArchangelMichael  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 3:30:27pm

re: #158 Silvergirl

Big Apophis is killing us!

(Is that how it goes? That Big Oil person was before my time, but he/she is oft quoted)

BIG ASTEROID IS RIPPING US OFF!

162 Alaska Kim  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 3:30:29pm

re: #159 HoosierHoops

Good evening! hope you are well

At least it cooled off here.

163 Gus  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 3:30:36pm

re: #157 VioletTiger

Nonsense. You will live many, many years due to Obamacare.///

Alas! Through a program of eugenics and cloning we can attain eternal progression and live for millions of years!

//

164 Pawn of the Oppressor  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 3:30:55pm

re: #158 Silvergirl

Big Apophis is killing us!

(Is that how it goes? That Big Oil person was before my time, but he/she is oft quoted)

BIG MILKY IS RIPPING US OFF!

- Sign on a Lexus SUV at the Apophisian Whole Foods

165 Silvergirl  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 3:30:57pm

re: #161 ArchangelMichael

BIG ASTEROID IS RIPPING US OFF!

Thank you!

166 jcm  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 3:31:05pm

re: #153 Pawn of the Oppressor

One of my history teachers in college, describing industrial age England with his Liverpool (liverpudlian?) accent:

"The streets were coovered in shit. Coovered. In Shit."

Not news to me, or him, and he was clearly using the line as a shocker to get the other students to think differently about the past, but still... Covered in shit! They never put that in the movies!

Wait till smell-o-vision comes to the movies!

167 ErnieG  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 3:31:21pm

re: #72 DEZes

Hubble ultra deep field in high res.

Wow. Just wow.

168 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 3:31:29pm

re: #161 ArchangelMichael

BIG ASTEROID IS RIPPING US OFF!

TAX IT!!

169 Silvergirl  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 3:31:45pm

re: #165 Silvergirl

Thank you!

I mean THANK YOU!

170 Cato the Elder  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 3:32:11pm

Awesome how God fit all those billions of years into just six millennia.

171 doppelganglander  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 3:32:28pm

re: #168 Cannadian Club Akbar

Hey, CCA. I wished you luck this afternoon via upding, but I have no idea why. Can you share?

172 [deleted]  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 3:32:41pm
173 itellu3times  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 3:33:04pm

re: #53 ArchangelMichael

Special Relativity is only valid in inertial frames of reference in flat space-time.

An easier way to visualize the receding effect is this:

A -1 in- B -1 in- C

If the space in between objects expands, without them moving, at a rate of 1 inch per second after 1 second it will look like this:

A -- 2 in -- B -- 2 in -- C

B is now 2 inches away from A but C is 4, not 3. The farther something is away, the fast it seems to go.

A --- 3 in --- B --- 3in --- C

B is 3 inches away, and C is now 6 so in the case of the distance from A to C, it seems to be increasing 2 in per sec rather than 1 because it's farther away. Eventually that rate can exceed c if the object is far enough away, because nothing is actually moving.

But you could not see it do so, and more to the point, nothing like that was seen in these photos - if I understand this stuff, which is far from certain.

174 Sharmuta  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 3:33:08pm

re: #170 Cato the Elder

Awesome how God fit all those billions of years into just six millennia.

For God- nothing is impossible. Except evolution, of course.

175 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 3:33:54pm

re: #171 doppelganglander

Hey, CCA. I wished you luck this afternoon via upding, but I have no idea why. Can you share?

LALALALALALA!! Fingers in ears! Not yet. Thank you:)

176 jcm  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 3:34:00pm

re: #170 Cato the Elder

Awesome how God fit all those billions of years into just six millennia.

Why do you think it took six days? Creating was snap, the stuffing took some time...

177 VioletTiger  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 3:35:09pm

re: #170 Cato the Elder

Awesome how God fit all those billions of years into just six millennia.

Maybe he has some of these...Space Bags!

178 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 3:35:31pm

bbl

179 calcajun  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 3:35:48pm

re: #108 John Neverbend

"Last orders!"

180 calcajun  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 3:36:38pm

re: #176 jcm

Why do you think it took six days? Creating was snap, the stuffing took some time...

He used "Galaxy Helper". Just add plasma...

181 DEZes  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 3:37:48pm

re: #180 calcajun

He used "Galaxy Helper". Just add plasma...

That's a big skillet...

182 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 3:38:38pm

re: #181 DEZes

That's a big skillet...

"Hello, I'm Billy Mays for The Big Skillet..."

183 Digital Display  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 3:38:42pm

re: #162 Alaska Kim

At least it cooled off here.

That is just s wrong...I will never wish for a cool off...ever!
*wink*

184 doppelganglander  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 3:38:50pm

re: #175 Cannadian Club Akbar

LALALALALALA!! Fingers in ears! Not yet. Thank you:)

No problem. The luck-wishing shall continue apace.

185 albusteve  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 3:40:23pm

thread worthy?
there may be an associated pole

[Link: www.foxnews.com...]

186 opnion  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 3:40:38pm

re: #152 ointmentfly

Unintended consequences is something not in the liberal politician's vocabulary, especially since their correction in usually means more government control and governent spending.

Yeah I agree. We were discussing this I believe yesterday & someone opined taht because some single payer system is not successful does not mean that you quit trying it.
The problem with that is that it has been tried over & over & some countries are trying to walk it back to more privatisation.
If we are going to change at least select a successful model, you know like here.

187 jcm  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 3:41:55pm

re: #173 itellu3times

But you could not see it do so, and more to the point, nothing like that was seen in these photos - if I understand this stuff, which is far from certain.

Put a couple of items on a spot on a elastic sheet. Stretch the sheet, they move apart, but are not moving in relation to their spot on the sheet.

The sheet is space. Speed is measured relative to the object's spot on the sheet, not in relationship to each other. Objects far each other on the sheet can expand the distance between each other faster than the speed of light, but not be moving that fast in their part of space.

188 Cato the Elder  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 3:41:59pm

re: #185 albusteve

thread worthy?
there may be an associated pole

[Link: www.foxnews.com...]

A dance pole, I presume?

189 ArchangelMichael  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 3:42:36pm

re: #173 itellu3times

But you could not see it do so, and more to the point, nothing like that was seen in these photos - if I understand this stuff, which is far from certain.

Father away they are, the more the emission spectra red-shift. I think at the point where they appear to exceed the speed of light, it red shifts to 0 Hz anyway and you couldn't see it, but don't quote me... cosmology is a "hobby" for me, I gave up the notion of an astrophysics degree when a horde of nay-saying relatives told me there was no money in it.

190 tradewind  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 3:43:05pm

re: #182 Cannadian Club Akbar

Umm, Billy's moved out of the frying pan and into the...well,
hopefully not into the fire.

191 calcajun  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 3:43:33pm

Billions of galaxies.

Each with billions of stars.

Billions of planets.

We are in a small part of the Heavens.

Good. No one should come looking for us.

192 Ojoe  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 3:44:04pm

Temporary new icon.

Thomas Merton will be back soon

193 CyanSnowHawk  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 3:44:09pm

re: #190 tradewind

Umm, Billy's moved out of the frying pan and into the...well,
hopefully not into the fire.

Perhaps he has moved in with the Friars.

194 jcm  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 3:44:14pm

re: #191 calcajun

Billions of galaxies.

Each with billions of stars.

Billions of planets.

We are in a small part of the Heavens.

Good. No one should come looking for us.

Unless they are hungry.

195 callahan23  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 3:44:28pm

re: #191 calcajun

Billions of galaxies.

Each with billions of stars.

Billions of planets.

We are in a small part of the Heavens.

Good. No one should come looking for us.

But DEZes did.
And he stayed.

196 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 3:44:36pm

re: #190 tradewind

Umm, Billy's moved out of the frying pan and into the...well,
hopefully not into the fire.

I know. He actually lived in my area.

197 Silvergirl  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 3:44:43pm

re: #191 calcajun

Billions of galaxies.

Each with billions of stars.

Billions of planets.

We are in a small part of the Heavens.

Good. No one should come looking for us.

The trouble is that we look for each other.

198 calcajun  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 3:45:10pm

re: #188 Cato the Elder

Those two ought to get married and have a kid-- they can call him "Compleat Pratt" for it will surely be one.

199 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 3:45:20pm

re: #100 Diamond Bullet

I almost wish that were true. The Democrat version of a master race would be a nearsighted vegan metrosexual with an extra set of arms to hold protest signs or clip boards for neighborhood organizing drives, but with the sex drive of Vatican castrati. They'd spend so much time attending to their mulch fields and interpretive dance competitions that they'd (non)breed themselves to extinction in a single generation. It sort of reminds me of Democrat friends who speculate about the possibility of Civil War in the US between red and blue states, until I point out that only one half of that equation believes in private gun ownership. Then they start mumbling about the greater good.

I think you might be surprised at the number of folks in the blue states who have private guns. Not that I'm trying to start anything.

200 Randall Gross  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 3:45:21pm

re: #92 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Also from deepastronomy.com:

Apophis: The Asteroid That Could Smash Into The Earth on Friday, April 13th, 2036

I say we start a venture now to capture it and make it into a lizard space fort in 2036.

201 opnion  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 3:45:26pm

Question, if this Hubble is so great why didn't get the photo of the American flag planted on Mars that Congresswoman Sheila Jackson Lee wanted to see? Huh?

202 ointmentfly  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 3:46:33pm

re: #186 opnion

Yeah I agree. We were discussing this I believe yesterday & someone opined taht because some single payer system is not successful does not mean that you quit trying it.
The problem with that is that it has been tried over & over & some countries are trying to walk it back to more privatisation.
If we are going to change at least select a successful model, you know like here.

Government can regulate one group of people - trial lawers. I read a while back that John Ritter's widow won 14 million because Ritter dropped dead from an aortic disection. How did that affect the system? How many other Ritter widows are out there?

203 calcajun  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 3:46:38pm

re: #195 callahan23

Did anyone close the gate after he got in?

204 DEZes  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 3:46:42pm

re: #195 callahan23

But DEZes did.
And he stayed.

The gravity drive is broken. ;)

205 Digital Display  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 3:46:46pm

re: #191 calcajun

Billions of galaxies.

Each with billions of stars.

Billions of planets.

We are in a small part of the Heavens.

Good. No one should come looking for us.

Frankly...With Human histories laid out..
Who in the Universe would come looking for us?

206 jcm  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 3:46:50pm

re: #201 opnion

Question, if this Hubble is so great why didn't get the photo of the American flag planted on Mars that Congresswoman Sheila Jackson Lee wanted to see? Huh?

PROOF! Everything NASA does has been a hoax!

///

207 ArchangelMichael  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 3:47:11pm

re: #191 calcajun

Billions of galaxies.

Each with billions of stars.

Billions of planets.

We are in a small part of the Heavens.

Good. No one should come looking for us.

An argument against "active" SETI rather than "passive" (sending vs just listening) is that we might give ourselves away to something/one that we would be better off if it/they didn't know about us. Interstellar security through obscurity.

208 DEZes  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 3:47:23pm

re: #203 calcajun

Did anyone close the gate after he got in?

Open skies policy. ;)

209 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 3:47:25pm

re: #115 doppelganglander

It's just wrong to give a mentally unstable person his own TV show.

Well, part of me thinks that it's wrong. I was taught not to laugh at the mentally ill.

Then, part of me thinks, hell, who said that the mentally ill can't have talk shows? Isn't that just bigotry?

//The man needs help. Major help.

210 Cato the Elder  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 3:47:47pm

re: #191 calcajun

Billions of galaxies.

Each with billions of stars.

Billions of planets.

We are in a small part of the Heavens.

Good. No one should come looking for us.

Wait until "Welcome Back Kotter" and "Brady Bunch" episodes start hitting certain highly cultured planetary systems. They'll come, and they won't be coming to say hi.

211 opnion  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 3:47:58pm

re: #202 ointmentfly

Government can regulate one group of people - trial lawers. I read a while back that John Ritter's widow won 14 million because Ritter dropped dead from an aortic disection. How did that affect the system? How many other Ritter widows are out there?

Tort Reform! Obamacare does not address it.

212 itellu3times  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 3:48:03pm

re: #187 jcm

but they would be beyond your event horizon.

now, if they are saying that we see it red-shifted 8x, but that's an old picture, and since then due to dark helmet - er, energy - the universe's rate of expansion has accelerated, so now, from a God's eye view that we don't actually have, the same galaxy "is" moving away from us faster than the speed of light, then ... mebbe. But I thought I heard them say, "hey, lookit this, it's moving away from us faster than the speed of light", which I don't think so nohow.

213 jcm  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 3:48:07pm

re: #204 DEZes

The gravity drive is broken. ;)

That's what they all say after they discover earth girls are easy.

214 opnion  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 3:48:49pm

re: #206 jcm

PROOF! Everything NASA does has been a hoax!

///

Right on! Moon landing? Huh, MGM back lot.

215 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 3:49:22pm

re: #140 EmmmieG

Do you know what the first thing we would notice about the past? Here's my guess

If we went at night? The darkness of it all

If we went during the day? The smell. No deodorant, little bathing, lots of manual labor, and bad lavatory systems

Some ancient people washed quite a bit. But yes, for the most part, you're right.

216 Cato the Elder  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 3:49:26pm

re: #202 ointmentfly

Government can regulate one group of people - trial lawers. I read a while back that John Ritter's widow won 14 million because Ritter dropped dead from an aortic disection. How did that affect the system? How many other Ritter widows are out there?

Any sensible nation would pay that much to get rid of him.

217 VioletTiger  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 3:49:34pm

re: #207 ArchangelMichael

An argument against "active" SETI rather than "passive" (sending vs just listening) is that we might give ourselves away to something/one that we would be better off if it/they didn't know about us. Interstellar security through obscurity.

Maybe we're all spread out for our own good...kinda like how multiple cats find opposite corners of the bed./

218 DEZes  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 3:49:43pm

re: #213 jcm

That's what they all say after they discover earth girls are easy.

If something works, I stick with it. ;)

219 calcajun  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 3:49:50pm

re: #210 Cato the Elder

No, they'll come for the same reason people watch NASCAR and Indy racing--just for the chance of a horrible, awful FOOM on the track.

220 opnion  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 3:50:15pm

re: #216 Cato the Elder

Any sensible nation would pay that much to get rid of him.

huh?

221 [deleted]  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 3:50:15pm
222 SixDegrees  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 3:50:18pm

re: #210 Cato the Elder

Wait until "Welcome Back Kotter" and "Brady Bunch" episodes start hitting certain highly cultured planetary systems. They'll come, and they won't be coming to say hi.

Sending out Urkel as our interstellar ambassador was probably a huge mistake, in retrospect.

223 jcm  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 3:50:33pm

re: #207 ArchangelMichael

An argument against "active" SETI rather than "passive" (sending vs just listening) is that we might give ourselves away to something/one that we would be better off if it/they didn't know about us. Interstellar security through obscurity.

Active SETI? We've been broadcasting our location for over 100 years. When they get Mork and Mindy, all bets are off.

224 ArchangelMichael  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 3:50:42pm

re: #213 jcm

That's what they all say after they discover earth girls are easy.

"The dilithium crystals are decrystalizing Captain! I'll go to the nuclear wessels and get some gamma ray photons while you go shag all the heterosexual human females in San Francisco."

225 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 3:51:19pm

re: #148 doppelganglander

When we play the "what time in history would you like to visit" game, I always pick Rome. Lots of baths and very good sewer systems.

I am a left-handed Jewish woman with a loud mouth and bad astigmatism. If given my choice I ain't going NOWHERE.

However, if I had to go, I say Mexican California. If I could be a Catholic, Spanish, male with excellent natural health.

Roping grizzly bears. YEEE-HAH!

226 callahan23  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 3:52:03pm

I spend the most lovely afternoon with a beautiful woman.
I am a happy camper now. But a very tired one at that.
- - -
Gals 'n guys, Lizards and 'menschen'.
See y'all down the road.
I love you {Lizardim) - mostly. Really!

227 opnion  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 3:52:15pm

re: #221 buzzsawmonkey

Wallace Shawn should drop by the White House and tactfully suggest to the President that along with "Don't get involved in a land war in Asia" and "Never go up against a Sicilian when death is on the line," he might want to consider "Don't think that you are divinely anointed to solve the Arab-Israeli conflict" and "Don't try and rebuild the entire US healthcare system from the ground up in a few short weeks."

BHO would not listen, this is part of his vision.

228 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 3:52:42pm

re: #166 jcm

Wait till smell-o-vision comes to the movies!

There's a 'go back in time' ride in York, that shows the Viking settlement there. They have smells. It's kind of funny.

229 Kosh's Shadow  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 3:52:51pm

re: #194 jcm

Unless they are hungry.

No, they just want to serve Man.

230 DEZes  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 3:52:54pm

re: #226 callahan23

I spend the most lovely afternoon with a beautiful woman.
I am a happy camper now. But a very tired one at that.
- - -
Gals 'n guys, Lizards and 'menschen'.
See y'all down the road.
I love you {Lizardim) - mostly. Really!

Sleep well you old hound dog. ;)

231 Truck Monkey  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 3:52:59pm

re: #198 calcajun

Those two ought to get married and have a kid-- they can call him "Compleat Pratt" for it will surely be one.

Or spoiled Pratt.

232 [deleted]  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 3:53:18pm
233 opnion  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 3:53:47pm

re: #229 Kosh's Shadow

No, they just want to serve Man.

It's the damn anal probe! Why do they always do the anal probe?

234 ArchangelMichael  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 3:53:50pm

re: #223 jcm

Active SETI? We've been broadcasting our location for over 100 years. When they get Mork and Mindy, all bets are off.

Surface radio and TV traffic is indistinguishable from white noise before it even gets past Mars' orbit. Most of it doesn't even make it to the Moon. Unless we are beaming a really powerful transmission out there on purpose, like the Arecibo transmission, or commands to space probes, no one will ever hear it.

Lrrr wont come to Earth in the year 3000 to find out how Ally McBeal ended.

235 snowcrash  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 3:54:09pm

re: #226 callahan23
Bye Cal. Pleasant dreams. lol

236 opnion  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 3:54:24pm

re: #232 buzzsawmonkey

Unless he has spent the last few years building up an immunity to political iocane powder, he should reconsider.

That would be good for him & us.

237 NY Nana  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 3:54:25pm

re: #94 Charles

My 9-year old granddaughter has Cerebral Palsy...she was a micro-preemie, 1 lb. 8 oz. She has a number of complications, but now can walk with no help, etc. We call her the Energizer Bunny. She is reading way above her age level, in a public school, and is truly a miracle. My son and my daughter in law would no more use her like that than they would swim the Atlantic with their hands tied. It is sad to see a child used like that. His daughter has enough to deal with.

I personally deplore what he did.

238 SixDegrees  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 3:54:52pm

re: #223 jcm

Active SETI? We've been broadcasting our location for over 100 years. When they get Mork and Mindy, all bets are off.

I believe the earth is brighter than the sun at certain radio wavelengths, and has been for some time.

No word on how the switch to cable television is affecting this. But most of it is energy wasted, so it's nearly inevitable that our output of such energy will reduce over time, as more efficient means of transmission are found.

239 calcajun  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 3:55:04pm

re: #140 EmmmieG

Do you know what the first thing we would notice about the past? Here's my guess

If we went at night? The darkness of it all

If we went during the day? The smell. No deodorant, little bathing, lots of manual labor, and bad lavatory systems


We'd also stand out due to our teeth--we'd have most of them. Also, those who had a whitening job would have truly unnatural smiles (more than they do now)

We'd also stand out--literally. We'd be bigger and stronger than most anyone. George Washington was over 6' and considered a giant.

240 DEZes  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 3:55:39pm

re: #229 Kosh's Shadow

No, they just want to serve Man.

I leave that cook book?

241 DEZes  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 3:56:12pm

re: #233 opnion

It's the damn anal probe! Why do they always do the anal probe?

To watch the eyes bulge out.

242 doppelganglander  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 3:56:19pm

re: #202 ointmentfly

Government can regulate one group of people - trial lawers. I read a while back that John Ritter's widow won 14 million because Ritter dropped dead from an aortic disection. How did that affect the system? How many other Ritter widows are out there?

The wife of the first swine flu fatality in NYC is suing the city for $40 million, apparently for not having enough psychics on staff to predict that her husband would personally catch the disease.

243 DEZes  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 3:57:00pm

re: #240 DEZes

Where did I leave that cook book?

pimf

244 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 3:57:13pm

re: #239 calcajun

We'd also stand out due to our teeth--we'd have most of them. Also, those who had a whitening job would have truly unnatural smiles (more than they do now)

We'd also stand out--literally. We'd be bigger and stronger than most anyone. George Washington was over 6' and considered a giant.

Eh, dunno. John Adams was five eight, and was considered a 'middling height', which is about the U.S. average. Even in the fourteenth century in Ireland, the average man was about five six. Depends where and when you go.

245 DEZes  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 3:58:10pm

Gonna bail, have fun Lizards.

246 ArchangelMichael  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 3:58:32pm

re: #240 DEZes

I leave that cook book?

To Serve Lizard.


The LGF Cookbook! Reine is an alien!

247 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 3:58:37pm

re: #242 doppelganglander

The wife of the first swine flu fatality in NYC is suing the city for $40 million, apparently for not having enough psychics on staff to predict that her husband would personally catch the disease.

Unfortunate that one of the expressions of grief of the contemporary American has become the lawsuit. OTOH, better that than throwing yourself on the funeral pyre, I guess.

248 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 3:59:39pm

re: #244 SanFranciscoZionist

Eh, dunno. John Adams was five eight, and was considered a 'middling height', which is about the U.S. average. Even in the fourteenth century in Ireland, the average man was about five six. Depends where and when you go.

OTOH, Jennifer Weiner's main character in "Certain Girls", looking at bronze statues of the Founders: "You know something? Our country was founded by short, short men."

249 snowcrash  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 3:59:39pm

re: #245 DEZes
Bye DEZ. Have a good one!

250 Aye Pod  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 4:02:03pm

That was definitely one of the most breathtaking videos I've seen on LGF.

I have this bizarre theory that all this was NOT created so that members of one species on one planet who did not find a particular set of memes to be credible could be burned forever in a big fire. But then I'm just strange like that.

251 SixDegrees  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 4:03:12pm

re: #234 ArchangelMichael

Surface radio and TV traffic is indistinguishable from white noise before it even gets past Mars' orbit. Most of it doesn't even make it to the Moon. Unless we are beaming a really powerful transmission out there on purpose, like the Arecibo transmission, or commands to space probes, no one will ever hear it.

Lrrr wont come to Earth in the year 3000 to find out how Ally McBeal ended.

Pioneer 10's 8 watt transmitter signal was last detected from beyond the solar system, at a distance of ~80 AU, in 2003.

252 yochanan  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 4:03:26pm

Image: mo.jpg

i love this one.
almost as much as the patch i am putting on my bag (eye) (heart) (israel writen in arabic)

253 NY Nana  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 4:03:30pm

re: #242 doppelganglander

If I could say what I think of her? It would be [deletd]. I feel sorry for her kids.

254 doppelganglander  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 4:04:25pm

re: #247 SanFranciscoZionist

Unfortunate that one of the expressions of grief of the contemporary American has become the lawsuit. OTOH, better that than throwing yourself on the funeral pyre, I guess.

People should stick to putting up roadside memorials with plastic flowers and teddy bears. It's cheaper for all of us.

255 [deleted]  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 4:04:39pm
256 935684  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 4:06:25pm

Absolutely mind-boggling!

257 Stormy  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 4:06:36pm

Fantastic video... it really does put everything into perspective.

re: #21 Charles

Just a few days ago I would have thought Beck was loony and completely out of his mind to suggest this.

However, I recently read Zombie's posts on John Holdren and Harrison Brown and John Holdren, Obama's Science Czar, says: Forced abortions and mass sterilization needed to save the planet (which mention the word "eugenic" 38 times ) and I think there are questions to be asked given the people influencing the president. Let's not forget Zeke Emanuel (Ron's brother) either. "Principles for allocation of scarce medical interventions".

We recommend an alternative system—the complete lives system—which prioritises younger people who have not yet lived a complete life, and also incorporates prognosis, save the most lives, lottery, and instrumental value principles.

No, the government won't have "death panels". People in congress won't get re-elected if they do. Government will have un-elected so-called "experts" like Dr. Zeke create policy that decides who lives and dies. Maybe this isn't Eugenics in the traditional sense, but it sure makes my stomach turn in a similar way.

In the end it isn't about Eugenics, single payer, costs, or any of that. The real debate here boils down to liberty. People are going to give up liberty if they allow the government to get any further entrenched in healthcare than they already are. Sadly a lot of people don't understand the value of liberty.

258 yochanan  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 4:12:34pm

re: #257 Stormy

they are currently doing this in euroland as well as if i am not mistaken in some HMO'S

259 quickjustice  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 4:13:56pm

re: #248 SanFranciscoZionist

If you ever get to the National Constitution Center in Philadelphia, they have bronze replicas of the Founders-- really the participants in the Constitutional Convention-- allegedly life-sized. Most of them were quite short.

On the other hand, the U.S. soldiers who liberated Europe during WWII were viewed by the Europeans whom they liberated as physical giants.

260 ArchangelMichael  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 4:16:30pm

re: #251 SixDegrees

Pioneer 10's 8 watt transmitter signal was last detected from beyond the solar system, at a distance of ~80 AU, in 2003.

I'm off on the distances but I know I've read that you cant receive terrestrial radio signals intended for terrestrial sources beyond the solar system. Proxima Centauri is about 270,000 AU/4.26 LY

From the SETI@Home FAQs:

Detection of broadband signals from Earth such as AM radio, FM radio, and television picture and sound would be extremely difficult even at a fraction of a Light-Year distant from the Sun. For example, a TV picture having 5 MHz of bandwidth and 5 MWatts of power could not be detected beyond 0.01 Light-Years of the Sun even with a radio telescope with 100 times the sensitivity of the 305 meter diameter Arecibo telescope.

0.01 LY = 632 AU

261 quickjustice  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 4:19:11pm

re: #257 Stormy

We're already half-way there, and have been since Johnson's Great Society created Medicare and Medicaid. We have a hybrid government-private health system. The government part now is bankrupt. The question is, do we try to save it by nationalizing the remaining private system, or do we return to an all-private system with a safety net for poor Americans?

Obama clearly isn't going to go all-private, but something must be done to prevent the sudden collapse of Medicare and Medicaid, cutting off millions of Americans who now depend on those programs without warning. I'm personally in favor of the private option, but you have to transition slowly to avoid a hard landing.

262 Aye Pod  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 4:22:12pm

re: #255 buzzsawmonkey

What's almost as incredible as the majesty of the universe is the sullen anger of the obsessives who rant endlessly about the hellfire they claim to not believe in.

Actually, there's no sullen anger here at all, I'm just tremendously impressed by what I just watched.

I think the sullen anger of those who resent any attempt by non believers to express their thoughts is altogether more remarkable and also much sadder, as well as more frequent and shrill in it's expression. And although it's certainly true that a lot of christians unfortunately still believe in a universe created for the purpose of infinitely rewarding belief and infinitely punishing non-belief, I was in this particular case thinking about the sullen anger of the Quran when I made that post. That ok with you, mullah buzzsaw?

# Don't bother to warn the disbelievers. Allah has blinded them. Theirs will be an awful doom. 2:6

# Allah has sickened their hearts. A painful doom is theirs because they lie. 2:10

# Allah has blinded the disbelievers. 2:17-18

# A fire has been prepared for the disbelievers, whose fuel is men and stones. 2:24

# Disbelievers will be burned with fire. 2:39, 2:90

# Allah stamped wretchedness upon the Jews because they killed the prophets and disbelieved Allah's revelations. 2:61

# Allah turned the Sabbath-breaking Jews into apes. 2:65-66

# If you believe in only part of the Scripture, you will suffer in this life and go to hell in the next. 2:85

# Allah has cursed them for their unbelief. 2:88

# The curse of Allah is on disbelievers. 2:89

# Jews are the greediest of all humankind. They'd like to live 1000 years. But they are going to hell. 2:96

# Allah is an enemy to the disbelievers. 2:98

# Only evil people are disbelievers. 2:99

# For disbelievers is a painful doom. 2:104

263 snowcrash  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 4:22:40pm

re: #250 Jimmah
Not strange at all.

264 Aye Pod  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 4:29:23pm

re: #263 snowcrash

Not strange at all.

Cheers! I thought I already knew how physically insignificant we are, but that video increased that sense of insignificance by several orders of magnitude. Amazing stuff.

265 [deleted]  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 4:30:40pm
266 SixDegrees  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 4:32:27pm

re: #260 ArchangelMichael

0.01 LY = 632 AU

Oh, I don't think you'd be able to extract information from such signals. But detection alone would be easy. The information content of all that junk gets all munged up together, but the intensity is still plenty high enough to see. And as noted, the intensity alone is higher than that of the sun's at certain wavelengths.

SETI has used Pioneer 10, in fact, to calibrate it's equipment and detection algorithms for some time. It will be trying to extract it's unbelievably weak signal from background noise yet again in the near future.

267 Pianobuff  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 4:32:51pm

re: #210 Cato the Elder

Wait until "Welcome Back Kotter" and "Brady Bunch" episodes start hitting certain highly cultured planetary systems. They'll come, and they won't be coming to say hi.

Cato - Here's Whats Playing.

268 ibmkeyboard  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 4:35:18pm

If the universe was only 500 million years old when these galaxy reflections started through space,
It would not have been enough time to have created these perfect natural beautiful galaxies.

Big Bang theory is a joke.

I believe God smiles when we silly humans try to explain his vast beautiful creations
that have been there from the beginning.

269 freetoken  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 4:37:22pm

re: #268 ibmkeyboard

The "500 million" figure would only apply to the farthest in that image.

Many in that image are closer.

The oldest looking galaxies are simple in comparison to the younger ones, which show interactions with other galaxies, etc.

270 ibmkeyboard  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 4:43:21pm

Listen again,
It says the universe was only 500 million years old when the lights started traveling.

-worlds without number have I created.

271 Aye Pod  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 5:07:23pm

re: #265 buzzsawmonkey

Your sullen anger was nonspecific in its object--and, since I do not belong to a tradition which suggests that nonbelievers will be cast into fire, I did not in any way consider your gratuitous snottiness to be directed towards anything I particularly hold dear.

It was, rather, the utter gratuitousness of the snottiness that I found irritating--the fact that you could not express your appreciation of beauty, or your sense of wonder, without reflexively pissing on something else.

The sullen anger, and the snottiness, as I think is likely obvious to any honest person reading this, is all yours my friend. You are quite the master of projection.

It should be obvious to anyone whose vision is not clouded by their own sullen anger towards atheists that the perspective shift offered by that video naturally inspired the thought I expressed. I do find it odd how anyone could believe that this incomprehensibly vast universe was created for a viciously petty sectarian agenda on one planet, as that believed by religious fundamentalists - no matter what faith they claim.

I am not stopping or objecting to anyone from expressing a different view from mine - a person of faith could find that video inspiring in a different way altogether. But I am an atheist, and that was my thought, and I resent the attempt to rule it somehow out of bounds.

272 pbird  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 5:25:19pm

Loved the presentation. My G-d is so much bigger than I thought. He is beyond comprehension and yet some time we will see Him and know Him truly.

273 [deleted]  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 5:31:48pm
274 Pianobuff  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 5:39:10pm

Oh, no... She didn't really say that, did she?

NAIROBI - Secretary of State Hillary Clinton compared Nigeria's corruption and electoral problems with the 2000 Florida presidential election recount during a town hall meeting today in Abuja, Nigeria.

Answering a question about Nigeria's recent election, Clinton said, "In 2000, our presidential election came down to one state where the brother of the man running for President was the governor of the state. So we have our problems too."

275 Aye Pod  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 6:11:34pm

re: #273 buzzsawmonkey


No surprise; your posts tend to be about, or express, resentment, pretty consistently.

The fact is that if you were secure in your "atheism"--and not merely acting out in some way which, I am happy to say, I need not analyze--you'd be able to express your wonderment or whatever it is you feel without cheap digs like "viciously petty sectarian agenda."

"secure in my atheism"? More projection going on here methinks. This is an expression I have no use for. If I ever come across evidence that there is a God, I will be glad to examine it and, if it seems warranted, I will happily become a true believer. Unless of course it turned out to be the God of Mullah Omar or Fred Phelps. That being the case I would unhesitatingly take up with satan.

"viciously petty sectarian agenda." is not a cheap dig when describing the words in the Quran that I posted, or the views of Christian fundamentalists who believe essentially the same thing - that people will be burned in hell forever, for the 'sin' of unbelief. That is the most viciously petty sectarian agena IMAGINABLE, and I make no apology for saying so.

You'd even be able to recognize that there are religious people other than the "fundamentalists" whom you've created as a perpetual bogeyman.

OF COURSE I am aware that religious people are not all fundamentalists. Show me one example - just one - where I have said that all religious people are fundies. I have, as anyone familiar with my posts on religion should know, always recognised the distinction between moderates and fundamentalists/extremists in all faiths. You are just throwing any shit that you can pull out of your ass, and it ain't working.

That kind of unrelenting, utterly predictable, gratuitous, petty, small-minded nastiness is as much an inevitable feature of your posts as columns are a feature on a Greek temple. No projection whatsoever--merely an observation.

Yes the 'unmitigated small minded nastiness' of anyone who dares to comment that infinite punishment/reward for merely being an infidel/believer is not only viscious, petty, and sectarian, but also, given the reality of the vastness of the universe we live in, a tad unlikely as a reason for it's creation.

The petty minded nastiness is what you are projected onto my post, and is fully your own. Your posts to me here are just another personal attack, nothing more.

276 [deleted]  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 6:17:52pm
277 2-Drink Minimum  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 7:17:03pm

Capricorn2

278 Silvergirl  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 9:05:55pm

Okay, Sharmuta. I see you're ruining my little plan of trying to even out their karma. I was updinging both of the players (Jimmah and Buzz) in this drama. Then you came in with your downding. Ah well--the best laid plans. :-)

279 Sharmuta  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 9:14:25pm

re: #278 Silvergirl

That's fair minded of you. I could go through and alter all of that, of course, but I haven't. I much prefer buzz when he let's go of previous fights. He knows he and I have shared heated words in the past, and yet we can have a joke together a few threads later. It would be nice to see him extend that courtesy to others.

280 The Left  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 10:23:18pm

re: #275 Jimmah


The petty minded nastiness is what you are projected onto my post, and is fully your own. Your posts to me here are just another personal attack, nothing more.

Perfect.

Belligerence is the currency of the intellectually insecure.

281 The Left  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 10:45:50pm

re: #275 Jimmah

Also this

Unless of course it turned out to be the God of Mullah Omar or Fred Phelps. That being the case I would unhesitatingly take up with satan./blockquote>

has me in stitches. You and me both, baby! :)

282 Aye Pod  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 10:57:12pm

re: #281 iceweasel

Also this

Morning iceweasel! Good to see you:)

Let's face it, he's the closest thing to a torch-bearer for enlightenment values in the whole book! Joking of course (kinda;-)).

283 The Left  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 11:03:24pm

re: #282 Jimmah

Morning iceweasel! Good to see you:)

Let's face it, he's the closest thing to a torch-bearer for enlightenment values in the whole book! Joking of course (kinda;-)).

Well, it's no accident that he's the most compelling character :)

Good to see you! How are you? Is there some more recent thread we should be playing on?

BTW, awesome stuff over at P-Zed's, as ever.

284 Aye Pod  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 11:12:47pm

re: #283 iceweasel

K - let's go upthread. Looks like fun that article - just checking it now.

285 Aye Pod  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 11:16:29pm

re: #283 iceweasel

I'm great btw -have a little time left before I need to crash out. - Hope you are well too!Let's see - there's a camera thread - the most recent one - has a boring apologist for LGF2 on it though. Or we could go to the quieter but possibly less annoying Glenn Beck hitler rant thread. Any preference there?

286 Aye Pod  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 11:18:06pm

Actually, scratch that - there's a new open thread now.

287 Hucbald  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 3:23:52am

That was excellent! I've had the highest resolution version of the UDF available from NASA as my wallpaper for the past few years. Though it looks good on a 23" Cinema HD Display, I'll never look at it quite the same way again after watching that vid. Just spec-freaking-tacular. I may have to get a 30" C/HD Display now. LOL!

288 Pupdawg  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 6:10:40am

Hubble continues to boldly go where no other 'eyes' have gone before!

Hubble, voyeur mas extradodinares!

or,

Hubba, hubba Hubble!

Whatever, that's f-ing awl-inspiring-some!!!

289 dwells38  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 7:06:41am

Awsome vid. Thanks!

290 gregb  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 8:57:38am

You guys ever see that "Paycheck" movie? They invent a telescope that wraps around the universe and you can see the future--including your own future--if you know where to look.

Ben Affleck uses it to win the lottery.

291 harrisonp  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 11:32:58am

Zionist conspiracy, obviously.

292 truth stick  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 12:02:27pm

re: #92 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Also from deepastronomy.com:

Apophis: The Asteroid That Could Smash Into The Earth on Friday, April 13th, 2036

Oh well, the world is going to end in Dec 2012, so it will just plow threw the left over dust that is still here.

293 tjseagrove  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 1:11:53pm

2 objects moving in opposite directions at the same speed, are moving apart at twice that speed. If we are moving away from a galaxy that is traveling in the opposite direction, the combined speed could exceed the speed of light.

The video itself is stunning. Saw the picture previously but this really makes it great...

Tom

294 Cato  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 7:38:49am

re: #15 Charles

What confuses me about this is that, had galaxies actually receded faster than the speed of light, gravitational effects would have made them ultra-massive. Yet space-time can recede at that rate without gravitational consequence. This would seem to make space-time insubstantial and merely a framework. But there is quite a lot of evidence that there is substantiality to space-time, so I am at a loss.


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