Video: Glenn Beck Hitlerfest, Extended Version

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Possibly the craziest episode yet of the Glenn Beck Comedy Hour. Begins with the above-mentioned extended Hitlerfest, segues into a claim that he’s really not saying Obama is Hitler trying to build a master race through eugenics (really! I’m not!), which turns into a full-fledged weeping breakdown complete with pouty lip in which he shamelessly uses his daughter’s cerebral palsy to promote this mess. Then at about 9:50 his guests sit and stare and don’t answer him, obviously embarrassed, as he draws a weird tree diagram intended to prove … who knows what?

A classic in the Beck Comedy/Bathos genre.

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1 BignJames  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 3:52:14pm

Got coherent?

2 Alaska Kim  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 3:54:12pm

re: #1 BignJames

Got coherent?

The guy is a nut.

3 Cato the Elder  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 3:54:24pm

Poor America.

I think I'll wait to watch this until some Beckians show up to enlighten us.

4 Gus  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 3:54:54pm

"Yes, we don't believe that eugenics is coming and we don't want to kill grandma. But, let's talk about it anyway and blame progressive and socialists while spreading more fear into my already paranoid audience."

No true Scotsman.

Jonah Goldberg on acid.

/Glenn Beck

/

5 Alaska Kim  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 3:55:06pm

I'll have to wait and see what Bill says about it tonite. And aren't Wednesday's Miller Time?

6 Silvergirl  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 3:55:08pm

Oh gosh. Ten minutes and thirty-three seconds?

That's asking a lot.

7 VioletTiger  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 3:55:22pm

I couldn't follow that.

8 DaddyG  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 3:56:10pm

I'm a crazy right wing Mormon with stage presence and a good populist banter. When he burns out can I get his gig?

9 Gus  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 3:57:05pm

re: #8 DaddyG

I'm a crazy right wing Mormon with stage presence and a good populist banter. When he burns out can I get his gig?

Do you have blonde hair and can you cry on command?

10 BignJames  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 3:58:10pm

re: #9 Gus 802

Do you have blonde hair and can you cry on command?

Some and yes.

11 DaddyG  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 3:58:44pm

I have blonde hair, am a slightly overweight middle aged man and I can cry if someone pinches me under the desk.

I just don't have the unhinged paranoia thing down. Maybe that's his secret. (I do know people at Church like that but we tend to let them talk, smile sweetly and then walk away slowly. I wonder what he's like in person?)

12 Sharmuta  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 3:59:06pm

A very stylized and glitzy way to say "but". Fox news is now bordering on irresponsible journalism to allow this sort of blatant fear mongering. His weak "I'm not saying it" doesn't cover the fact he is indeed saying just what he claims he's not. Shameless, disgusting, and irresponsible.

13 JacksonTn  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 3:59:38pm

I cannot remember things getting this bad before (not talking about left BDS but about the whole dang thing now) ... am I just forgetting something ... total trainwreck all around ... if it were not so serious it would be funny ...

14 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 4:00:40pm

re: #8 DaddyG

I'm a crazy right wing Mormon with stage presence and a good populist banter. When he burns out can I get his gig?

Do we have to wait? I'm sure I'd rather hear you. Do you cry much?

15 quickjustice  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 4:01:23pm

Glenn Beck is a screaming crazy. After his pathetic performance with Barbara Walters and Whoopi Goldberg, I'm convinced he's a close masochist who gets off on the abuse inflicted on him, apparently with some justification.

16 Alaska Kim  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 4:01:36pm

I think Sarah Palin should take Glenn's gig.

17 DaddyG  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 4:01:39pm

re: #12 Sharmuta

His weak "I'm not saying it" doesn't cover the fact he is indeed saying just what he claims he's not. Shameless, disgusting, and irresponsible.

Almost, dare I say it... Presidential or Congressional. /note: non-partisan slam.

18 [deleted]  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 4:01:40pm
19 DaddyG  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 4:02:22pm

re: #14 SanFranciscoZionist

Do we have to wait? I'm sure I'd rather hear you. Do you cry much?

Only during election season.

20 Cato the Elder  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 4:02:40pm

The money-drunk pundit Glenn Beck
Says our country will soon be a wreck.
He makes himself cry
like a girl. That's so sly!
And laughs as he cashes his check.

21 quickjustice  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 4:03:22pm

"I'm in no way suggesting that you're a drooling cretin" is an old rhetorical device and trial lawyer trick.

22 DaddyG  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 4:03:26pm

I think Cato the Elder and Buzzsaw just switched bodies. Weird!

23 Scion9  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 4:05:24pm

The best part of the video is the facial expressions of his guests, and how they refuse to make a peep even when addressed by Beck. "No sudden movements..."

24 quickjustice  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 4:05:25pm

re: #18 buzzsawmonkey

It's self-evident, isn't it, that the Nazis couldn't round anyone up until they took power. Had Hitler even written "Mein Kampf" by 1920? Wasn't that in 1924?

25 reine.de.tout  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 4:05:38pm

re: #22 DaddyG

I think Cato the Elder and Buzzsaw just switched bodies. Weird!

Yeah, that is weird.

26 Cato the Elder  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 4:06:05pm

re: #18 buzzsawmonkey

Re-posted from last thread:

Leaving aside the overall dishonesty of the video, I note an odd--and disturbing--factual error. Beck says that "in 1920--the same year Hitler joined the Nazi party--Nazis rounded up hundreds of thousands of the disabled, elderly, and mentally ill and exterminated them.."

I cannot imagine that there is any factual basis for this. In 1920 the Nazi party was a tiny fringe, in no position to "round up" or "exterminate" anyone. Even after Hitler came to power as Chancellor, it took several years for him to feel secure enough to advocate the killing of asylum inmates.

This is false on its face.

He not only emotes on cue and uses the Nazi horrors to bloat his ratings, but you're right - he has no clue about the actual history.

27 Maui Girl  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 4:06:22pm

Did anyone watch ABC last night where Obama was asked if he and his family would participate in the new proposed healthcare plan?

28 Cato the Elder  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 4:06:55pm

re: #22 DaddyG

I think Cato the Elder and Buzzsaw just switched bodies. Weird!

Shakes head. "Whu...what just happened? I feel all strange and buzzy."

29 [deleted]  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 4:06:58pm
30 albusteve  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 4:07:18pm

someday Beck or people like him will be inside the govt, cutting deals, making choices, voting etc...it will be the next step and it's already started

31 Sharmuta  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 4:07:55pm

The left aren't the only ones drinking kool-aid.

32 MarineVet  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 4:08:02pm

Wow! Amazing that this made a thread and not the staged "town hall" meeting of Obama...sometimes I wonder what direction this blog goes...

33 reine.de.tout  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 4:08:03pm

re: #22 DaddyG

I think Cato the Elder and Buzzsaw just switched bodies. Weird!

Ha! Proof!
Look at this - they're in the same block together!
re: #26 Cato the Elder

34 DaddyG  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 4:08:19pm

re: #24 quickjustice

It's self-evident, isn't it, that the Nazis couldn't round anyone up until they took power. Had Hitler even written "Mein Kampf" by 1920? Wasn't that in 1924?

Secret Nazi time travel project. Absorbed into area 51 after the war when we helped the Aliens escape the 3rd Reich. The Roswell UFO crash was a black flag op. They really arrived during the Tunguska event.




/

35 Maui Girl  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 4:08:21pm

re: #12 Sharmuta

I didn't realize that Glen Beck was considered a journalist.

36 doppelganglander  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 4:08:57pm

re: #18 buzzsawmonkey

Re-posted from last thread:

Leaving aside the overall dishonesty of the video, I note an odd--and disturbing--factual error. Beck says that "in 1920--the same year Hitler joined the Nazi party--Nazis rounded up hundreds of thousands of the disabled, elderly, and mentally ill and exterminated them.."

I cannot imagine that there is any factual basis for this. In 1920 the Nazi party was a tiny fringe, in no position to "round up" or "exterminate" anyone. Even after Hitler came to power as Chancellor, it took several years for him to feel secure enough to advocate the killing of asylum inmates.

This is false on its face.

Well, part of it's true. Hitler did join the Nazi party in 1920. The rest, of course, is bull.

37 quickjustice  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 4:09:37pm

re: #34 DaddyG

I didn't know you wrote for Hollywood! ;-)

38 DaddyG  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 4:10:26pm

re: #31 Sharmuta

The left aren't the only ones drinking kool-aid.

I think Charles was the first person I ever heard explain the far left/far right wraparound kook effect. A whole lot of light bulbs went off for me after that blog entry.

39 Sharmuta  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 4:10:28pm

re: #35 Maui Girl

I didn't call beck a journalist. I said fox news was bordering on irresponsible journalism. Do you think this is acceptable news programing?

40 MarineVet  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 4:11:26pm

Sounds like a Keith Olbermann fan club here...

41 Gus  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 4:11:38pm

It's interesting because the left still mentions Prescott Bush's alleged involvement in eugenics. Even Herbert Hoover played a role in eugenics. Ray Lyman Wilbur was Secretary of Interior under Hoover. He was also a member of the American Eugenics Society.

This is nothing but a selective appraisal of the history of eugenics.

42 DaddyG  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 4:11:48pm

re: #37 quickjustice

I didn't know you wrote for Hollywood! ;-)

Just channeling Dale Gribble. I've taken to watching King of the Hill at bedtime. Dale is my favorite character.

43 Cato the Elder  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 4:11:48pm

re: #39 Sharmuta

I didn't call beck a journalist. I said fox news was bordering on irresponsible journalism. Do you think this is acceptable news programing?

I think they crossed that border a long while back.

44 SixDegrees  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 4:12:37pm

re: #39 Sharmuta

I didn't call beck a journalist. I said fox news was bordering on irresponsible journalism. Do you think this is acceptable news programing?

They've become a televised version of the Weekly World News. People watch because it's a freak show.

It won't be long before they start televising Bat Boy opinion segments. Mark my words.

45 jaunte  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 4:12:56pm

Keith Olbermann is an ass, but that isn't the topic.

46 Sharmuta  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 4:13:03pm

re: #40 MarineVet

You might be happier at a less intellectually honest blog like Ace of Spades or maybe Hot Air.

47 JacksonTn  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 4:13:09pm

re: #40 MarineVet

Sounds like a Keith Olbermann fan club here...

MV ... Keith is not someone I was fond of ... before or after the primaries or the general ... he sounds like he is going to bust an artery sometimes just like Beck ...

48 DaddyG  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 4:13:25pm

re: #44 SixDegrees

They've become a televised version of the Weekly World News. People watch because it's a freak show.

It won't be long before they start televising Bat Boy opinion segments. Mark my words.

Greta will cover than as soon as he becomes a missing person case.

49 Maui Girl  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 4:14:05pm

re: #39 Sharmuta

I see the Glenn Beck show as just that, a show. Kind of like Red Eye. There's a mix of truth, exaggeration and outright ridiculousness.

50 [deleted]  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 4:14:08pm
51 SixDegrees  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 4:14:13pm

re: #48 DaddyG

Greta will cover than as soon as he becomes a missing person case.

Why? He's not a cute blond female.

52 Truck Monkey  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 4:15:07pm

re: #44 SixDegrees

They've become a televised version of the Weekly World News. People watch because it's a freak show.

It won't be long before they start televising Bat Boy opinion segments. Mark my words.

Those ears would look good on the Beckster! I would only increase his audience.

53 yochanan  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 4:15:11pm

re: #16 Alaska Kim

WELL at least with sarah if you don't like what she says all the time you can turn the sound off and just lust in your heart.

54 DaddyG  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 4:15:25pm

Olbermann v. Beck
pay per view - one night only
Tipple Takes on The Tingle

55 Silvergirl  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 4:15:45pm

re: #23 Scion9

The best part of the video is the facial expressions of his guests, and how they refuse to make a peep even when addressed by Beck. "No sudden movements..."

I thought that too. Did they have anything to say? Maybe they were cut for the purposes of the clip.--to focus on Beck. It came off as the weirdest of the weird.

56 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 4:16:01pm

Can we nominate Glenn Beck for the Fiskie?

57 Cato the Elder  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 4:16:31pm

re: #16 Alaska Kim

I think Sarah Palin should take Glenn's gig.

I agree. She's at least as crazy, and then the whole country would know it.

58 Alaska Kim  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 4:16:35pm

re: #53 yochanan

WELL at least with sarah if you don't like what she says all the time you can turn the sound off and just lust in your heart.

You should keep secrets like that to yourself!

59 Sharmuta  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 4:16:46pm

re: #49 Maui Girl

I see the Glenn Beck show as just that, a show. Kind of like Red Eye. There's a mix of truth, exaggeration and outright ridiculousness.

That's a pretty bad mix because then even the truth can look like BS. It's called credibility, and glen beck has none.

60 Alaska Kim  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 4:17:13pm

re: #57 Cato the Elder

I agree. She's at least as crazy, and then the whole country would know it.

you think she's crazy?

61 doubter4444  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 4:17:18pm

I must say I've never seen him before, it's stunning.
Weird, and disturbing. National exposure for this badness is, as Sharmuta said above, irresponsible at best.
Oh Roger Ailes, what have you wrought?

62 yochanan  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 4:17:32pm

re: #58 Alaska Kim

well i am a normal male and she is one hot granny

63 Sharmuta  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 4:17:37pm

re: #56 Alouette

Can we nominate Glenn Beck for the Fiskie?

He might be the only one who could give Orly Taitz a run for her money.

64 Cato the Elder  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 4:17:37pm

re: #60 Alaska Kim

you think she's crazy?

You new here?

65 MarineVet  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 4:17:55pm

If those of you that haven't watch Glenn Beck who was let go from CNN because of his STRONG conservative values. You should be told that when Glenn Beck does talk about his family he does get emotional!! Of course, you might as well start trashing him some more about his alcholism and drug use oops I mean his former times in the gutter... Some of his facts may be incorrect but the overall aspect of his reporting is dead on!! For those of you just using a keyboard to rip a person apart shame on you...Never saw so much acid in a string here before and frankly it is a disgusting insight in some of you that I would have felt better not being exposed to...We all have our opinions and I am sure after this posting you can break out your claws and start ripping into me but I will still sit on this wall and defend your right to free speech...God Bless America

66 Alaska Kim  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 4:18:09pm

re: #62 yochanan

well i am a normal male and she is one hot granny

Granny?!! I'm her age!

67 JacksonTn  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 4:18:13pm

re: #55 Silvergirl

I thought that too. Did they have anything to say? Maybe they were cut for the purposes of the clip.--to focus on Beck. It came off as the weirdest of the weird.

SG ... I am thinking they were not ready to jump into the deep end with him ... it took some doing ... maybe someone said something in their earpieces ...

68 Alaska Kim  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 4:18:21pm

re: #64 Cato the Elder

You new here?

no.

69 Truck Monkey  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 4:18:29pm

re: #54 DaddyG

Olbermann v. Beck
pay per view - one night only
Tipple Takes on The Tingle

Olberdork would stomp P.T. Beckam. Wouldn't be much of a match. I imagine when Olberdork goes off, he REALLY goes off.

70 MarineVet  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 4:18:33pm

re: #46 Sharmuta


Ahh sorry I didn't know my pinky out when I drink the tea...

71 Cato the Elder  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 4:19:03pm

re: #65 MarineVet

Love it when guys flounce.

72 doppelganglander  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 4:19:33pm

re: #66 Alaska Kim

Granny?!! I'm her age!

But she IS a granny! I'm about the same age, and I technically could be a granny, but my kids have behaved themselves thusfar.

73 yochanan  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 4:19:37pm

re: #63 Sharmuta

beck is ok on some things and bat shit crazy on others.
frankly the more i see the zero he is just as crazy just from the other end of the bat.

bozo's to the right of me clowns to the left.

74 yochanan  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 4:19:57pm

re: #66 Alaska Kim

well she is a grandmother.

75 Alaska Kim  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 4:20:09pm

re: #72 doppelganglander

But she IS a granny! I'm about the same age, and I technically could be a granny, but my kids have behaved themselves thusfar.

mine too!

76 Earth56  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 4:20:18pm

re: #32 MarineVet

and I agree with you and all of you can ding me down .

Beck might be somewhat nutty but he is bringing a necessary debate on some pretty scary tactics by this goverment

77 Hawaii69  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 4:20:34pm

re: #20 Cato the Elder

The money-drunk pundit Glenn Beck
Says our country will soon be a wreck.
He makes himself cry
like a girl. That's so sly!
And laughs as he cashes his check.


Ladies and Gentlemen...we have a winner.

No further posts are required.

78 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 4:20:51pm

re: #42 DaddyG

Just channeling Dale Gribble. I've taken to watching King of the Hill at bedtime. Dale is my favorite character.

"Dale, there are no Cubans."

"Oh yeah? How do you explain Desi Arnaz?"

"All right, there are Cubans. I mean, no Cubans are out to get you."

79 Gus  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 4:21:04pm

re: #65 MarineVet

I see. So you're supposedly for free speech but not if it criticizes a talking head blowhard on trash TV that allegedly has "conservative values."

I am reminded of PT Barnum in this case.

80 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 4:21:07pm

re: #72 doppelganglander

But she IS a granny! I'm about the same age, and I technically could be a granny, but my kids have behaved themselves thusfar.

My kids breed like minks, but at least they waited until they were married.

81 Cato the Elder  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 4:21:18pm

re: #68 Alaska Kim

no.

Well this isn't a Palin thread, but yes. I do think that. And a whole lot more, none of it flattering.

Let's leave it at that, shall we?

82 SixDegrees  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 4:21:18pm

Hmmm...I smell socks...

83 DaddyG  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 4:21:28pm

I just don't remember him being that weird in his early radio shows. I thought it was pretty cool that a Mormon convert like me could have a national platform. Now I'm not so quick to own him. He's starting to feel like a crazy uncle.

This is precisely why I feared Romney getting the Presidency. What if he went off the rails, then what do I tell people?

I guess I should accept the good, bad and unusual about my Brethren and Sisters without hypocrisy.

O.K. I know waaay to much introspection. It's late, I missed my bus and I'm killing time until the Mrs. can get me.

84 MarineVet  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 4:21:36pm

re: #76 Earth56

Bringing a light on the cockroaches more like it...

85 jaunte  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 4:21:38pm

re: #76 Earth56

He taints his arguments with the transparent manipulation of his tactics.

86 JacksonTn  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 4:21:44pm

re: #65 MarineVet

MV ... thank you for your service to the country and yes God Bless America ... these are truly messed up times ...

87 albusteve  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 4:21:50pm

re: #76 Earth56

and I agree with you and all of you can ding me down .

Beck might be somewhat nutty but he is bringing a necessary debate on some pretty scary tactics by this goverment

Beck does not bother me in the least...his idolizing fans do tho

88 MarineVet  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 4:22:22pm

re: #79 Gus 802

Do you like anyone in the news media?

89 Alaska Kim  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 4:22:28pm

re: #81 Cato the Elder

Well this isn't a Palin thread, but yes. I do think that. And a whole lot more, none of it flattering.

Let's leave it at that, shall we?

Fine by me.

90 DaddyG  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 4:22:33pm

re: #62 yochanan

well i am a normal male and she is one hot granny


If I weren't married to the hottest babe in the multiverse I would totally lust after Palin. As it stands I don't have any left in me after lusting after my wife.

91 reine.de.tout  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 4:22:44pm

re: #65 MarineVet

. . . Some of his facts may be incorrect but the overall aspect of his reporting is dead on!! . ..

Beck isn't a reporter, he's an analyst, an editorialist, a commenter. And where he uses facts to come to conclusions for his analysis, he should make sure they are absolutely correct, otherwise - his entire spiel is based on something that's incorrect, which means his analysis cannot be accurate or credible.

92 Digital Display  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 4:22:47pm

re: #76 Earth56

and I agree with you and all of you can ding me down .

Beck might be somewhat nutty but he is bringing a necessary debate on some pretty scary tactics by this goverment


How is that somewhat nutty guy working out for you?
Do me a favor...Stay on your side of the room...

93 Gus  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 4:22:54pm

re: #88 MarineVet

Do you like anyone in the news media?

Nope. Not really.

94 Hawaii69  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 4:23:05pm

re: #40 MarineVet

Sounds like a Keith Olbermann fan club here...


It's just one big Black & White world out there, isn't it?

If you don't like Beck, you must like Olbermann...period...end of story...

eh?

95 Cato the Elder  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 4:23:39pm

re: #90 DaddyG

If I weren't married to the hottest babe in the multiverse I would totally lust after Palin. As it stands I don't have any left in me after lusting after my wife.

And there, friends, we have McCain's strategy in a nutshell.

96 doubter4444  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 4:23:42pm

re: #49 Maui Girl

I see the Glenn Beck show as just that, a show. Kind of like Red Eye. There's a mix of truth, exaggeration and outright ridiculousness.

Wow, that is being exceedingly generous.

97 albusteve  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 4:23:49pm

re: #93 Gus 802

Nope. Not really.

Krauthammer

98 MarineVet  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 4:23:52pm

re: #86 JacksonTn


Unfortunately times where we need to as local communities come together and help our neighbors not to wait for Uncle Sam to dictate what we need to do to help.

99 Gus  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 4:24:41pm

re: #97 albusteve

Krauthammer

He's good. Although he falls more into the guest category on television.

100 Sharmuta  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 4:24:50pm

re: #65 MarineVet

Some of his facts may be incorrect but the overall aspect of his reporting is dead on!!

Then I think you don't understand how reporting works. If he's lying to you, it's not "dead on"- it's just wrong.

101 John Neverbend  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 4:24:56pm

re: #97 albusteve

Krauthammer

Steyn and VDH.

102 SixDegrees  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 4:24:57pm

re: #91 reine.de.tout

Beck isn't a reporter, he's an analyst, an editorialist, a commenter. And where he uses facts to come to conclusions for his analysis, he should make sure they are absolutely correct, otherwise - his entire spiel is based on something that's incorrect, which means his analysis cannot be accurate or credible.

I'd be happy if they had even a faint odor of reality wafting off of them.

No such luck.

103 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 4:25:10pm

re: #83 DaddyG

I just don't remember him being that weird in his early radio shows. I thought it was pretty cool that a Mormon convert like me could have a national platform. Now I'm not so quick to own him. He's starting to feel like a crazy uncle.

This is precisely why I feared Romney getting the Presidency. What if he went off the rails, then what do I tell people?

I guess I should accept the good, bad and unusual about my Brethren and Sisters without hypocrisy.

O.K. I know waaay to much introspection. It's late, I missed my bus and I'm killing time until the Mrs. can get me.

I think you just need to remind yourself that you can be both crazy and a Mormon, but the two are not correlated.

(I had to do the talk myself after the Gucci-handbags-and-kidneys business in Jersey. About crooks and Jews, not crazies and Mormons.)

And I don't think Romney is crazy, based on past performance.

104 Egregious Philbin  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 4:25:11pm

Beck is just out there.

But, this is why I can't stand him, because I can't stand any "wacky morning DJ"

Your text to link...

105 Gus  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 4:25:14pm

re: #97 albusteve

Krauthammer

Thomas Sowell. Whom you rarely see.

106 DaddyG  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 4:25:16pm

re: #76 Earth56

and I agree with you and all of you can ding me down .

Beck might be somewhat nutty but he is bringing a necessary debate on some pretty scary tactics by this goverment


I won't ding ya. And I agree on the necessary topics. We just need someone to present them in a less spectacular way. Of course if they did that they probably wouldn't garner a prime time talk show or even show up on the MSM radar.

107 JacksonTn  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 4:25:17pm

re: #98 MarineVet

Unfortunately times where we need to as local communities come together and help our neighbors not to wait for Uncle Sam to dictate what we need to do to help.

MV ... I am not a fan of the healthcare bill ... I do not like some of the messengers on both sides ...

108 doubter4444  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 4:25:22pm

re: #65 MarineVet

If those of you that haven't watch Glenn Beck who was let go from CNN because of his STRONG conservative values. You should be told that when Glenn Beck does talk about his family he does get emotional!! Of course, you might as well start trashing him some more about his alcholism and drug use oops I mean his former times in the gutter... Some of his facts may be incorrect but the overall aspect of his reporting is dead on!! For those of you just using a keyboard to rip a person apart shame on you...Never saw so much acid in a string here before and frankly it is a disgusting insight in some of you that I would have felt better not being exposed to...We all have our opinions and I am sure after this posting you can break out your claws and start ripping into me but I will still sit on this wall and defend your right to free speech...God Bless America

I don't want the likes of you defending my right to free speech, I'll do it myself, thank you every much.
Or are just a troll?

109 albusteve  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 4:25:38pm

re: #99 Gus 802

He's good. Although he falls more into the guest category on television.

the question didn't categorize, so I didn't either

110 quickjustice  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 4:25:38pm

re: #40 MarineVet

Thank you for your service. That said, the fact that Beck is insane doesn't mean that Olbermann isn't. I often wonder about the kind of people who find Olbermann entertaining. Are they space aliens? Former inmates from a state hospital for the criminally insane?

Oh, and stop the down-dinging. I'm a conservative who doesn't care for Beck's melodrama either.

111 albusteve  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 4:26:40pm

re: #108 doubter4444

I don't want the likes of you defending my right to free speech, I'll do it myself, thank you every much.
Or are just a troll?

lighten up...there is no reason for that

112 MarineVet  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 4:26:47pm

re: #94 Hawaii69


Just commenting on the fact that if we don't like someone we just come up with name callings..just like Olbermann does on a regular basis..."freak show, blow hard. Pt Barnham" to name a few. The key here is everyone seems to think his choked up tears are a ruse and fakery...if you know the history of Glenn Beck they were genuine...so just like the most liberal of liberals go after the character...yeah black and white is what keeps me sane...

113 DaddyG  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 4:27:07pm

re: #95 Cato the Elder

And there, friends, we have McCain's strategy in a nutshell.

Ouch! Well played.

114 MarineVet  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 4:27:24pm

re: #100 Sharmuta


No it sounds like you are describing a politician and NOT a reporter...

115 Earth56  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 4:28:03pm

re: #92 HoosierHoops

How is that somewhat nutty guy working out for you?
Do me a favor...Stay on your side of the room...

I'm doing just fine. Since you don't really know me or where I stand on issues and I'm sure we agree more that disagree I'll let you slide but don't stink up both rooms.

116 Killgore Trout  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 4:28:07pm
...he shamelessly uses his daughter’s cerebral palsy to promote this mess.

Some idiot also thought it was a good idea to bring up Stephen Hawking...


Stephen Hawking Enters U.S. Health Care Debate


In an editorial on July 31, Investor's Business Daily warned of end-of-life counseling in health care reform by saying people like Stephen Hawking "wouldn't have a chance" in the such a system.
People such as scientist Stephen Hawking wouldn't have a chance in the U.K., where the National Health Service would say the life of this brilliant man, because of his physical handicaps, is essentially worthless.

In fact, Professor Hawking lives in England, where he has been treated by their National Health Service. And by his own account, it saved his life.

"I wouldn't be here today if it were not for the NHS," he told The Guardian. "I have received a large amount of high-quality treatment without which I would not have survived."


Fail.

117 Earth56  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 4:29:05pm

re: #105 Gus 802

Thomas Sowell. Whom you rarely see.


One of the most underated writers out there !

119 quickjustice  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 4:29:14pm

re: #57 Cato the Elder

I don't think Palin's crazy. I agree with Althouse, who's a Democratic law professor with a blog. Alaska is the last frontier. On the frontier, you need all the help you can get. It doesn't pay to be nasty on the frontier.

Only the city folk can afford to be nasty.

120 DaddyG  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 4:29:28pm

re: #103 SanFranciscoZionist

I think you just need to remind yourself that you can be both crazy and a Mormon, but the two are not correlated.

(I had to do the talk myself after the Gucci-handbags-and-kidneys business in Jersey. About crooks and Jews, not crazies and Mormons.)

And I don't think Romney is crazy, based on past performance.

I wasn't worried about Romney's trajectory as much as the rumors and the crap that goes with having a public figure out there. You are very correct. People are people and we can't allow our group identity to be shaken just because there is a normal range of human behavior among our peers.

121 Sharmuta  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 4:29:47pm

re: #114 MarineVet

No it sounds like you are describing a politician and NOT a reporter...

No one thinks beck is a reporter except you. What ever it is he's doing, the point remains that he cant be "dead on" when he's lying to you.

What this tells me is you're not interested in the truth- you're interested in having your pre-existing opinion(s) justified.

122 Truck Monkey  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 4:30:07pm

re: #108 doubter4444

I don't want the likes of you defending my right to free speech, I'll do it myself, thank you every much.
Or are just a troll?

Lighten up Francis. Let's not start a pissing contest here.

123 MarineVet  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 4:30:33pm

re: #108 doubter4444


Very well go live in Europe then...

124 Digital Display  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 4:31:13pm

re: #115 Earth56

I'm doing just fine. Since you don't really know me or where I stand on issues and I'm sure we agree more that disagree I'll let you slide but don't stink up both rooms.

Sorry..didn't mean to trash you...I'm not a Beck fan..I think he is a clown...My opinion..I projected it to you...
I'm sure we agree on a lot of stuff besides Beck

125 reine.de.tout  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 4:31:20pm

re: #112 MarineVet

Just commenting on the fact that if we don't like someone we just come up with name callings..just like Olbermann does on a regular basis..."freak show, blow hard. Pt Barnham" to name a few. The key here is everyone seems to think his choked up tears are a ruse and fakery...if you know the history of Glenn Beck they were genuine...so just like the most liberal of liberals go after the character...yeah black and white is what keeps me sane...

MV - many of us here have been through difficult times, and we go into "let's fix it" mode rather than crying mode . . . Beck's tears are probably real, but I personally find them to be a bit scary because they happen so frequently, I fear for this man's ability to handle life. And I cannot take somebody seriously who seems unable to get through a day without falling out in tears.

Plus - you have to listen to the whole of Beck. He is over-the-top and scary.

126 doppelganglander  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 4:31:28pm

re: #116 Killgore Trout

Fail.

Stephen Hawking is a bad example, because he's a very prominent person. IBD should not have even brought him into the discussion. Now, if your Auntie Penelope has Lou Gehrig's disease, how does she fare under the NHS? Not trying to be a pill, I would just really like to know.

127 Scion9  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 4:31:53pm

re: #83 DaddyG


This is precisely why I feared Romney getting the Presidency. What if he went off the rails, then what do I tell people?

I know exactly how you feel. I dread the day a white anglo-saxon protestant man finally gets into office. That is going to be so embarrassing...

/

129 harry91  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 4:32:46pm

That was awesome crazy. I'm going to hide under my bed now just in case he knocks on my door.

130 wrenchwench  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 4:32:52pm

Beck is saying one thing and the writing between the crawl and the creep--what is that called?--says the opposite. Right at the end the words on the screen say, "Holdren does not support forced population control," after Beck said stuff about forced abortions. Fox really is trying to be sensational and honest at the same time. Which is about as dishonest as you can get.

131 Earth56  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 4:33:15pm

re: #124 HoosierHoops

Sorry..didn't mean to trash you...I'm not a Beck fan..I think he is a clown...My opinion..I projected it to you...
I'm sure we agree on a lot of stuff besides Beck

Thanks for the reply. We will just agree to disagree on some things otherwise this debate is not worth fracturing whats here.

132 Killgore Trout  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 4:33:37pm

Rep David Scott Displays Racist Hate Mail He Has Received

Youtube Video
133 quickjustice  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 4:33:46pm

re: #95 Cato the Elder

I'm surprised, Cato! That was genuinely hilarious!

134 [deleted]  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 4:33:48pm
135 Killgore Trout  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 4:34:07pm

re: #126 doppelganglander

Stephen Hawking is a bad example, because he's a very prominent person.

He wasn't always famous.

136 yochanan  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 4:34:16pm

frankly after beck brought my wife to tears and total melt down by using Holocaust graphics showing a pic of the ovens and talking about abortion i haven't seen his show a don't care to either.

137 MarineVet  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 4:34:41pm

re: #125 reine.de.tout


Truth is scarey at times...his piece on ACORN was very enlightening and the use of the word "Ponzy Scheme" is perfectly apt to ACORN...

138 DaddyG  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 4:34:55pm

re: #127 Scion9

I know exactly how you feel. I dread the day a white anglo-saxon protestant man finally gets into office. That is going to be so embarrassing...

/

Thank goodness William Jefferson Clinton was really the first black president. /

(and good thing you used that sarc tag or I would have lectured you on group identity differences between minority and base populations.)

139 jaunte  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 4:35:17pm

re: #128 Killgore Trout

Rep David Scott Displays Racist Hate Mail He Has Received

Lovely.
/

Nasty. Psycho losers coming out of the woodwork.

140 Cato the Elder  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 4:35:35pm

re: #123 MarineVet

Very well go live in Europe then...

Ah, and there you have it. "America, love it or leave it."

I won't thank you for your service as a prelude, because your service is utterly irrelevant to this discussion. If you think Beck's specious Nazi-baiting has any merit, you don't know the history of the twentieth century or your own corps's role in it.

A weepy, ranty, blightly, reeky, puky, puny little man like Beck should command my respect? I'll take Ann Coulter. And as for her:

The cryptofascistic Ann Coulter
Whines of all of the things that revolt her.
Since the list is so long, Ann,
Just give us a song, and
A blonde, stiff salute from the shoulder.

141 Kosh's Shadow  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 4:36:03pm

re: #135 Killgore Trout

He wasn't always famous.

Hawking had already done some very important work before he was diagnosed with the disease.

142 Truck Monkey  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 4:36:24pm

re: #136 yochanan

frankly after beck brought my wife to tears and total melt down by using Holocaust graphics showing a pic of the ovens and talking about abortion i haven't seen his show a don't care to either.

Using Holocaust and Nazi images is just wrong as far as I'm concerned. It cheapens the debate and pisses on the memory of the countless family members that I had perish in the Shoah.

143 doubter4444  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 4:36:40pm

re: #111 albusteve

Stuff like that gets my goat, quickly.
He is saying everyone who does not agree with him is anti-American, but God Bless America.
Like a fundamentalist saying I'm going to hell because I don't believe the way they do, but they love me.
Self-righteous sanctimony pisses me off.

144 DaddyG  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 4:36:45pm

re: #128 Killgore Trout

Rep David Scott Displays Racist Hate Mail He Has Received

Lovely.
/


Idiots attract. I hate the haters but I'm not too sympathetic to Scott who in effect told his constituents to go Pee up a rope. Still there is no excuse to bring racial slurs into the debate. It seems the polarization of America is accelerating. Shame.

145 Cato the Elder  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 4:37:27pm

re: #116 Killgore Trout

Fail.

Utter, total and disgraceful.

And I knew they would bring him up.

146 Sharmuta  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 4:37:41pm

re: #130 wrenchwench

Beck is saying one thing and the writing between the crawl and the creep--what is that called?--says the opposite. Right at the end the words on the screen say, "Holdren does not support forced population control," after Beck said stuff about forced abortions. Fox really is trying to be sensational and honest at the same time. Which is about as dishonest as you can get.

There's something about people who try to have it both ways that's very disingenuous. And you have to wonder how dedicated they are to their cause if they can't even have to courage to openly proclaim their position.

147 Killgore Trout  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 4:38:12pm

re: #144 DaddyG

I hate the haters but I'm not too sympathetic to Scott who in effect told his constituents to go Pee up a rope.

When the protesters behave like that telling them to piss up a rope is too kind.

148 Pianobuff  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 4:38:41pm

re: #28 Cato the Elder

Shakes head. "Whu...what just happened? I feel all strange and buzzy."

I left this crumb in the other thread for you... What's Playing in Outer Space.

149 Silvergirl  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 4:39:05pm

re: #83 DaddyG

I just don't remember him being that weird in his early radio shows. I thought it was pretty cool that a Mormon convert like me could have a national platform. Now I'm not so quick to own him. He's starting to feel like a crazy uncle.

This is precisely why I feared Romney getting the Presidency. What if he went off the rails, then what do I tell people?

I guess I should accept the good, bad and unusual about my Brethren and Sisters without hypocrisy.

O.K. I know waaay to much introspection. It's late, I missed my bus and I'm killing time until the Mrs. can get me.

Not exactly addressing what you wrote, but a fun thing I saw in the news about Romney:

Movie recommendation

It was actually in an article about a Catholic cardinal's ordination to bishop, so scroll down if you go to the link.

Axe Murderer' film got thumbs-up from Romney
A pretty funny anecdote courtesy of McKay Coppins, the twentysomething blogger for MormonTimes:

“If Mormons had cocktail parties, I would probably tell this story at one: When my family lived in Massachusetts, Mitt Romney served as our stake president.

“Yes, yes, THE Mitt Romney. It was, of course, before his stint at the Salt Lake City Olympics and his gubernatorial term.

“One night, my parents were at Blockbuster and they happened to run into President Romney. They chatted for a bit, and my parents mentioned they were having trouble picking a movie to rent. Much to my parents’ surprise, Mitt enthusiastically suggested the 1993 Mike Myers comedy, ‘So I Married an Axe Murderer.’ ’’

Sadly, there are no more details about whether Romney is generally a fan of the Myers oeuvre.

I have to confess I’ve never seen “So I Married an Axe Murderer’’ (should I add it to my Netflix list?), but I was pretty sure it’s not a slasher film, given Romney’s faith-based aversion to R-rated films. (He told me in 2007 that, although he has seen the occasional R-rated film, at Bain he had passed up an entertainment industry investment because “I did not want to be associated with making R-rated movies or selling R-rated movies.’’)

But, despite its title, “Axe Murderer’’ is harmless by industry standards. I looked it up. It’s rated PG-13.

150 Sharmuta  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 4:39:14pm

Glen Beck is a Wedgie.

151 yochanan  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 4:39:33pm

re: #142 Truck Monkey

my wife lost 95% of her family in euroland.

152 quickjustice  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 4:40:11pm

re: #140 Cato the Elder

And the cheap shot about the U.S. Marine Corps, and my respect for servicemen and women is relevant to this discussion how?

You are being curmudgeonly tonight, don't you think?

153 Scion9  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 4:40:28pm

re: #149 Silvergirl

That's a good movie.

154 Last Mohican  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 4:40:46pm

Hmm. I just watched the video. It was clearly heavily edited so as to make Beck look like as wacky a wack job as possible. To really know what happened in the show, I think one would have to watch the whole thing. But I don't think I could really handle that, and I'm pretty sure he'd end up looking at least 90% as wacky as he did in this edited version.

I have a question: does anyone know how Beck actually introduced the whole eugenics backgrounder video? I mean, why would he first confirm that he certainly doesn't believe that Obamacare has anything to do with eugenics, but then show a long video about the history of eugenics?

155 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 4:41:23pm

re: #142 Truck Monkey

Using Holocaust and Nazi images is just wrong as far as I'm concerned. It cheapens the debate and pisses on the memory of the countless family members that I had perish in the Shoah.

the PETA campaign "Holocaust on your plate" and "Eternal Treblinka" fill me with white-hot blinding rage.

156 quickjustice  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 4:41:32pm

re: #149 Silvergirl

Repeat after me: "Lizzy Borden took an axe . . ."

157 MarineVet  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 4:41:52pm

re: #140 Cato the Elder

HA HA...interesting way of commenting and I know more of our history than you may think...but when someone tells me that they don't appreciate my defending their free speech than they are telling me that they don't care for the US Military and if that is the case I gave the option of going to live in Europe...but I like the way you misdirected my comment and threw in some elusive "Higher" education that I may be lacking in...thanks for putting me in my place and I will go back to sweeping the floors massah

158 Last Mohican  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 4:41:55pm

re: #128 Killgore Trout

Rep David Scott Displays Racist Hate Mail He Has Received

Lovely.
/

That was sickening. But thank you for posting it anyway. It needs to be seen.

159 doppelganglander  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 4:41:57pm

re: #135 Killgore Trout

He wasn't always famous.

And he wasn't always so seriously ill. His disease has taken a very slow, atypical course. So, what do you suppose happens to the average ALS patient in Britain?

160 [deleted]  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 4:42:32pm
161 doubter4444  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 4:42:46pm

re: #122 Truck Monkey

See my reply to Steve.
Over the top crazyness must be stopped, not excused and condoned.
But you are right. I should not have lost my temper.
He's just a troll.

162 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 4:43:14pm

re: #160 buzzsawmonkey

I assume the first is about eating meat; what is "Eternal Treblinka" about? Meat, or fur?

Eating chicken.

163 DaddyG  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 4:43:31pm

re: #147 Killgore Trout

When the protesters behave like that telling them to piss up a rope is too kind.

His condescending attitude towards the Doctor who asked a genuine question (which preceeded the threats) is what got him in the news in the first place. No he doesn't deserve racist threats. Yes, he could have defused the situation with some open honest dialogue. Case in Point Frank Johnson (D) also black, who openly discussed difficult questions in a respectful manner in Savannah and won the hearts of his constituents, even those whos minds didn't change.

164 Cato the Elder  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 4:43:35pm

re: #157 MarineVet

HA HA...interesting way of commenting and I know more of our history than you may think...but when someone tells me that they don't appreciate my defending their free speech than they are telling me that they don't care for the US Military and if that is the case I gave the option of going to live in Europe...but I like the way you misdirected my comment and threw in some elusive "Higher" education that I may be lacking in...thanks for putting me in my place and I will go back to sweeping the floors massah

I'm thinking you like Beck because you're sort of a weepy, self-dramatizing, bathetic sentimentalist, yourself. But what do I know?

165 Truck Monkey  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 4:44:03pm

re: #151 yochanan

my wife lost 95% of her family in euroland.

That is tragic. My wifes father was the only one who made it out of a family of 8. No aunts, no uncles, nothing. That is pain and emptiness that cannot be accurately described to anyone not in the same circumstance. My son turns 13 tomorrow and I am proud that he is having a Bar Mitzvah in Saturday. He, and all of us really, stand as a living testament to my Father in Law. We will miss him dearly this Saturday. I only wish that he lived to see it.

166 yochanan  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 4:44:16pm

re: #155 Alouette

ditto PETA = ANTI SEMITIC NUT CASES

167 quickjustice  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 4:44:27pm

re: #160 buzzsawmonkey

Thanks to you, I just realized I'm craving a rare steak.

168 [deleted]  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 4:45:05pm
169 Gus  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 4:45:21pm

Newsflash. This is Little Green Footballs. Sorry, but you came to the wrong place if you expect this place to be the Glenn Beck fan club.

It's the norm. Deal with it. ;)

170 quickjustice  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 4:45:37pm

re: #164 Cato the Elder

"Bathetic"-- nice. But what, pray tell, is life without bathos, dear curmudgeon?

171 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 4:45:47pm

re: #149 Silvergirl

"So I Married An Ax Murderer" is funny, not particularly gross, and doesn't involve an unreasonable amount of sexual activity. I can easily imagine that Romney might like it.

Actually, speaks rather well for his sense of humor.

172 Digital Display  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 4:45:48pm

re: #157 MarineVet

Hey MarineVet! My Son is in the 3/5th out of Camp P. Nice seeing you here...
What Division Marine?

173 freetoken  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 4:46:45pm

re: #65 MarineVet

Some of his facts may be incorrect but the overall aspect of his reporting is dead on!!

Ah yes, false but accurate!

174 DaddyG  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 4:46:56pm

re: #149 Silvergirl

Heh. We avoid R rated but I've actually walked out of some PG-13 and own a couple of R (Glory, Saving Private Ryan) Its hard to tell any more.

If he likes Mike Myers thats one more reason to like him.

175 Silvergirl  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 4:47:22pm

re: #153 Scion9

That's a good movie.

I've never seen it, but Romney has recommended it and now you have. Maybe I should!

176 nonic  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 4:47:57pm

re: #126 doppelganglander

Stephen Hawking is a bad example, because he's a very prominent person. IBD should not have even brought him into the discussion. Now, if your Auntie Penelope has Lou Gehrig's disease, how does she fare under the NHS? Not trying to be a pill, I would just really like to know.

What is coming is a 3-tier system. Top tier, elites and very wealthy (who can pay for their own) and conspicuously talented people such as Stephen Hawking -- they will get the best care.

Middle tier, the vast middle-class, tax-paying public who will be supporting the system for the poor -- they will get basic care and rationed advanced care.

Bottom tier, the handicapped, too young, too old, too expensive, dementia patients -- they will get rationed basic care. And, yes, they WILL die from it.

There will be a lot of surprises for a lot of people when this all goes into effect. AND, I predict, civil unrest that will make the current town hall protests a fond memory of a gentle past.

177 Cato the Elder  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 4:48:00pm

re: #152 quickjustice

And the cheap shot about the U.S. Marine Corps, and my respect for servicemen and women is relevant to this discussion how?

You are being curmudgeonly tonight, don't you think?

The shot was not at the Corps, it was at MV's wrapping himself in the uniform and the flag as if that had anything to do with Beck's disgraceful abuse of history. Someone whose military branch took the losses it did in WWII should be ashamed of Beck's specious patriotism.

As for your second question, I'll have to go check. When the hair starts to sprout from my forehead, game over.

178 quickjustice  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 4:48:15pm

re: #164 Cato the Elder

My keyboard is soaked in tears, even as we speak! It's Olbermann, the metrosexual, drooling cretin, who has so moved me!/

179 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 4:48:17pm

re: #165 Truck Monkey

That is tragic. My wifes father was the only one who made it out of a family of 8. No aunts, no uncles, nothing. That is pain and emptiness that cannot be accurately described to anyone not in the same circumstance. My son turns 13 tomorrow and I am proud that he is having a Bar Mitzvah in Saturday. He, and all of us really, stand as a living testament to my Father in Law. We will miss him dearly this Saturday. I only wish that he lived to see it.

Mazal tov!

180 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 4:49:13pm

re: #168 buzzsawmonkey

Pfui on PETA. To put it mildly.

I made a delicious lamb tagine for supper.

181 DaddyG  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 4:49:24pm

re: #170 quickjustice

"Bathetic"-- nice. But what, pray tell, is life without bathos, dear curmudgeon?

Smelly.

182 yochanan  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 4:49:26pm

re: #165 Truck Monkey

SAME THING FOR HER AS WELL.

183 Killgore Trout  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 4:50:37pm

re: #159 doppelganglander

So, what do you suppose happens to the average ALS patient in Britain?


Ye Olde Panel o' Death?

184 quickjustice  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 4:50:43pm

re: #177 Cato the Elder

I don't think the Marines should be ashamed, but I certainly think Beck should.

But he's not. Shameless is the word.

185 DaddyG  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 4:51:12pm

Gotta run. The ride is here.

Its been fun. Be nice. Hug a Vet. Thank God for the Jews (after all its where the rest of us got our religion from) and Live Long Lizards!

186 Digital Display  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 4:51:36pm

re: #185 DaddyG

Gotta run. The ride is here.

Its been fun. Be nice. Hug a Vet. Thank God for the Jews (after all its where the rest of us got our religion from) and Live Long Lizards!

Be well

187 Last Mohican  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 4:52:14pm

re: #142 Truck Monkey

Using Holocaust and Nazi images is just wrong as far as I'm concerned. It cheapens the debate and pisses on the memory of the countless family members that I had perish in the Shoah.

I agree completely. And my outrage also extends to the man who said this:

"Israel is like Hitler and apartheid."

--Archbishop Desmond Tutu, whom Barack Obama today awarded America's highest civilian honor (along with anti-Semite Mary Robinson)

188 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 4:52:21pm

re: #168 buzzsawmonkey

Pfui on PETA. To put it mildly.

Some PETA asshole commented on my blog, "well, if you were an animal, you would think humans were all nazis."

I said, "If I were an animal, I would not THINK anything. That's the difference between humans and animals. Animals do not THINK."

189 albusteve  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 4:53:39pm

re: #188 Alouette

Some PETA asshole commented on my blog, "well, if you were an animal, you would think humans were all nazis."

I said, "If I were an animal, I would not THINK anything. That's the difference between humans and animals. Animals do not THINK."

not true...they make choices, they think

190 Cato the Elder  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 4:53:44pm

re: #184 quickjustice

I don't think the Marines should be ashamed, but I certainly think Beck should.

But he's not. Shameless is the word.

You're right. It's silly to be ashamed of someone else's behavior.

They should be outraged.

191 zombie  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 4:54:08pm

re: #130 wrenchwench

Beck is saying one thing and the writing between the crawl and the creep--what is that called?--says the opposite. Right at the end the words on the screen say, "Holdren does not support forced population control," after Beck said stuff about forced abortions. Fox really is trying to be sensational and honest at the same time. Which is about as dishonest as you can get.

Now I'm feeling even more guilty. First Alex Jones, and now Glenn Beck have jumped on the Holdren thing, but both TOTALLY distorted what I said in my first essay, and boiled it down to an inaccurate sound bite, to serve their purposes.

192 Big Steve  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 4:54:49pm

Not to go off thread, but for you amusement this is a YouTube video of Sheila Jackson Lee's (D - Houston) town hall last night. She had prefaced the session as one where she was there to listen...except as this one woman asks her question Representative Lee is on her cell phone..

YouTube Link

193 doubter4444  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 4:55:08pm

re: #157 MarineVet

HA HA...interesting way of commenting and I know more of our history than you may think...but when someone tells me that they don't appreciate my defending their free speech than they are telling me that they don't care for the US Military and if that is the case I gave the option of going to live in Europe...but I like the way you misdirected my comment and threw in some elusive "Higher" education that I may be lacking in...thanks for putting me in my place and I will go back to sweeping the floors massah

That absolute horse shit. I was not going to feed you, but I can't let that stand.
You say I don't respect the US Military because I think you are a self righteous, pissant?
It's people like you who do a disservice to the Military, and to the nation as a whole. And "go live in Europe" is a cutting jibe, for god's sake?
ARGGG.
Tailgunner Joe, go away.

194 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 4:55:09pm

re: #165 Truck Monkey

My son turns 13 tomorrow and I am proud that he is having a Bar Mitzvah in Saturday. He, and all of us really, stand as a living testament to my Father in Law. We will miss him dearly this Saturday. I only wish that he lived to see it.

Mazal tov. Am yisrael chai!

I want to post a story that doesn't relate to my family, but which I saw at a local synagogue a few years ago. An old lady was called up to the Torah at a bar mitzvah, and I assumed she was a relative. Later, at the oneg, I got the full details:

The lady had been a prisoner at Auschwitz when the Soviets liberated the camp. She spoke several languages, and ended up assisting a young officer of one of the Soviet units doing translation. They were able to communicate, since both spoke Yiddish--he was a Jew, which she found miraculous.

She moved to the U.S. eventually and rebuilt her life, married and had a family. Decades later, she volunteered to help Soviet Jews who were moving to the United States and ran into the former young officer, his wife, and their children.

It was his great-grandson who was the bar mitzvah, and the family gave her an aliyah.

Jewish geography is an astonishing thing.

195 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 4:55:24pm

re: #189 albusteve

not true...they make choices, they think

An animal would not "think" to itself, "humans are nazis." That level of "thought" does not exist except among human beings.

196 itellu3times  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 4:55:44pm

Have I commented yet on this thread ... nope. Good.

197 quickjustice  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 4:55:59pm

re: #189 albusteve

There's a longstanding debate about what's uniquely human. The original theory was that it was the tool-making, except that animals also make tools. I think it's the sophisticated speech, the abstract thinking, and the ability to plan stuff far in advance. Except that many humans can't think abstractly . . .

198 Cato the Elder  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 4:56:09pm

re: #195 Alouette

An animal would not "think" to itself, "humans are nazis." That level of "thought" does not exist except among human beings.

Which is why the animals haven't all ganged up on us humans and wiped us out.

199 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 4:56:38pm

re: #185 DaddyG

Gotta run. The ride is here.

Its been fun. Be nice. Hug a Vet. Thank God for the Jews (after all its where the rest of us got our religion from) and Live Long Lizards!

Lizard Jewish vets get extra tater tots.

200 doubter4444  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 4:57:25pm

re: #177 Cato the Elder

The shot was not at the Corps, it was at MV's wrapping himself in the uniform and the flag as if that had anything to do with Beck's disgraceful abuse of history. Someone whose military branch took the losses it did in WWII should be ashamed of Beck's specious patriotism.

As for your second question, I'll have to go check. When the hair starts to sprout from my forehead, game over.

Yes. That's the point.

201 Scion9  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 4:57:55pm

re: #195 Alouette

The difference between sentience and consciousness.

202 pianobuff  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 4:58:31pm

Did anyone predict this?

WASHINGTON — The raucous protests at congressional town hall meetings have succeeded in fueling opposition to proposed health care bills among some Americans, a USA TODAY/Gallup Poll finds — particularly the independents who tend to be at the center of political debates.

In a survey of 1,000 adults taken Tuesday, 34% say the sometimes heated protests at sessions held by members of Congress have made them more sympathetic to the protesters' views; 21% say they are less sympathetic.

Independents by 2-1, 35%-16%, say they are more sympathetic to the protesters now.

The findings are bad news for President Obama and Democratic congressional leaders, who have scrambled to respond to town halls marked by aggressive questions and noisy demonstrations by those opposed to plans to overhaul the health care system...

...• A 57% majority of those surveyed, including 6 in 10 independents, say a major factor behind the protests are concerns that average citizens had well before the meetings took place; 48% say efforts by activists to create organized opposition to the health care bills are a major factor.

• There's some tolerance for noisy disputes at town hall meetings. By 51%-41%, those surveyed say individuals making "angry attacks" on a health care bill reflected "democracy in action" rather than "abuse of democracy." However, by 59%-33% they say "shouting down supporters" of a health care bill was an abuse of democracy.

On that question, unlike most of the others, there isn't much of a partisan divide: 69% of Democrats and 58% of Republicans agree.

203 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 4:58:32pm

re: #191 zombie

Now I'm feeling even more guilty. First Alex Jones, and now Glenn Beck have jumped on the Holdren thing, but both TOTALLY distorted what I said in my first essay, and boiled it down to an inaccurate sound bite, to serve their purposes.

Their choice, their call. You can only write what you think.

204 albusteve  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 4:58:58pm

re: #197 quickjustice

There's a longstanding debate about what's uniquely human. The original theory was that it was the tool-making, except that animals also make tools. I think it's the sophisticated speech, the abstract thinking, and the ability to plan stuff far in advance. Except that many humans can't think abstractly . . .

right...but the statement was, animals cannot think...imo that is wrong

205 KingKenrod  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 4:59:06pm

re: #128 Killgore Trout

Rep David Scott Displays Racist Hate Mail He Has Received

Lovely.
/

Question: If Scott wants to win support for Obamacare by having a fair debate, why does he spend two minutes of valuable time on CNN talking about two items of hate mail he received from racist idiots?

One of the items of mail didn't even reference health care, the other mentioned it only in passing.

He's trying to win support by demonizing the other side. In other words, opposition to Obama = Nazi.

The CNN anchor tried to make the point in the beginning that this isolated case of hate mail might not represent the views of most people opposed to Obamacare, but Scott quickly pulled out his hate mail to counter.

206 [deleted]  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 4:59:10pm
207 albusteve  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 4:59:27pm

re: #198 Cato the Elder

Which is why the animals haven't all ganged up on us humans and wiped us out.

my gerbil dislikes you

208 Charles Johnson  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 4:59:46pm

I thought that post about left wing media bias would buy me at least a couple of posts ridiculing buffoons like Beck. I feel cheated.

209 Digital Display  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 4:59:49pm

re: #200 doubter4444

Yes. That's the point.

Did I miss something doubter4444? I didn't see the shot at the Marine Corp...
And I'm just a little bit hypersensitive to shots across the bow...

210 jaunte  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 5:00:19pm

re: #192 Big Steve

Not to go off thread, but for you amusement this is a YouTube video of Sheila Jackson Lee's (D - Houston) town hall last night. She had prefaced the session as one where she was there to listen...except as this one woman asks her question Representative Lee is on her cell phone..

YouTube Link

Reading about that in the Chronicle today, I was struck by how under-the radar the meeting was;

Several of Jackson Lee's constituents opposed to the health care plan complained the meetings were never posted on the congresswoman's Web site. They also said they had called her office repeatedly but were only informed about the meetings when they called the day before it happened.

...
In response to a question about why the meeting wasn't posted on her Web site, Jackson Lee said anyone could learn about it by calling her office. “I will be having a series of these meetings and the notices will be different,” she added.
Notices on doors

Other attendees from the Fifth Ward said they had received a notice in their door informing them of the meeting the day before or learned about the forum when showing up for their senior citizen program at the center that day.

Jackson Lee is known for aggressively promoting her events by e-mailing and calling local news media. But the Houston Chronicle didn't receive any notifications from her office about the Tuesday forum.[Link: www.chron.com...]

211 Maui Girl  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 5:00:28pm

Why is it that 15% of the population aka 48 Mil out of 300 Mil that are not currently covered by some form of life insurance, either by choice, inability or illegality, are dictating what could possibly happen to the other 85% of the population and their health care?

That's the big question for me. Majority rules no more in this country. Except for election results. And even then, we to deal with the electorate, but I digress.

212 Lucius Septimius  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 5:00:30pm

re: #168 buzzsawmonkey

Hey there Circular Serrated Simian. Whatchoo got against PETA? If they can get all those chicks to pose nude, I say more power to them.

213 pianobuff  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 5:00:40pm

re: #208 Charles

I thought that post about left wing media bias would buy me at least a couple of posts ridiculing buffoons like Beck. I feel cheated.

I literally spit...Dr. Pepper.

214 yochanan  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 5:00:40pm

I like my cat but she is still a cat. i am sure they think and make decisions basied on what they think but they think as cats i.e. were is the food etc. and maybe do i like getting petted etc.

215 Truck Monkey  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 5:02:00pm

re: #194 SanFranciscoZionist

My Father in Law is in the Voices of Auschwitz section of the US Holocaust Museum. I rented a van and am taking the whole mishpachah down there on Monday. It is the first time together as a family since he passed away. I am not sure that this is a good idea. This will also be my sons first visit there.

216 Lucius Septimius  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 5:02:12pm

May I just say, I don't think I've ever watched Glenn Beck. We only got cable a couple of weeks ago but solely for the purpose of watching sports. The wife is addicted to Sports Center.

217 nonic  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 5:02:16pm

re: #183 Killgore Trout

Ye Olde Panel o' Death?

I look at the Daily Mail and the Telegraph just about every day. And every week there is at least one story about a patient deemed too old (recently a 61-year-old woman who needed a $10,000 life-saving operation), too expensive (another woman who needed $4,000 a month chemo for her breast cancer), or too sick to spend money on (last week a 22-year-old man who needed a liver transplant, but was too sick to meet the requirement that he live outside the hospital for six months without resuming his alcoholism -- they set a standard for him that was flatly impossible to meet, and then let him die).

I don't imagine there is actually a panel that sits down and says, "let's kill Joe and Amy and Marion today." Rather, it's a panel that sets standards that RESULT in people dying. That's not so difficult to envision, is it?

How ELSE -- if NOT through cost saving standards -- could cost reduction be achieved?

218 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 5:02:30pm

re: #201 Scion9

The difference between sentience and consciousness.

If cows could think like humans:

Youtube Video
219 Gus  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 5:02:49pm

re: #208 Charles

I thought that post about left wing media bias would buy me at least a couple of posts ridiculing buffoons like Beck. I feel cheated.

Nah. Glenn Beck is Fox News' Oprah.

Just as loved and "just as smart."

/

220 Digital Display  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 5:03:15pm

re: #216 Lucius Septimius

May I just say, I don't think I've ever watched Glenn Beck. We only got cable a couple of weeks ago but solely for the purpose of watching sports. The wife is addicted to Sports Center.

I'm thinking a wife swap is in order...
*wink*

221 [deleted]  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 5:03:20pm
222 Cato the Elder  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 5:03:38pm

re: #205 KingKenrod

He's trying to win support by demonizing the other side. In other words, opposition to Obama = Nazi.

Not.

The hate mail is the fruit of the seed sown by Beck, among others, that support for Obama = [insert bogeyman here]. Scott is showing us that good ole American strange fruit.

223 Truck Monkey  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 5:03:59pm

re: #214 yochanan

I like my cat but she is still a cat. i am sure they think and make decisions basied on what they think but they think as cats i.e. were is the food etc. and maybe do i like getting petted etc.

I like cats too. They're delicious.
//

224 quickjustice  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 5:04:09pm

re: #202 pianobuff

One would think, and Charles has argued, that the bad behavior by some of the protesters would hurt their cause. It's a reasonable supposition.

I think the fear and anger they express is real, however. At the moment, that seems to be offsetting the bad behavior in the court of public opinion. And I don't think Pelosi's "they're all "Nazis" ploy is working. Democrat Conyers paid a guy to parade around his district office with a giant photo of Obama doctored with a Hitler mustache. It's astroturfing, pure and simple.

225 BignJames  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 5:04:36pm

re: #221 buzzsawmonkey

Your grandfather was furrier than you?

226 Lucius Septimius  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 5:04:44pm

Obamacare Death Panel

227 BignJames  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 5:05:12pm

re: #225 BignJames


sorry.

228 Lucius Septimius  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 5:05:17pm

re: #220 HoosierHoops

Nudge is good as a wink.

229 [deleted]  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 5:05:46pm
230 zombie  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 5:06:03pm

re: #216 Lucius Septimius

May I just say, I don't think I've ever watched Glenn Beck. We only got cable a couple of weeks ago but solely for the purpose of watching sports.

I have only ever seen snippets of Beck posted on YouTube and then linked from here. Never seen him on an actual TV.

I wanna be like Led Zeppelin or Frank Zappa and throw my TV out the window...but I'm too cowardly, and besides, I use it as the screen to watch rented movies on.

231 mfarmer1  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 5:06:18pm

Steve Garvey's family tree is easier to follow than Beck's chalkboard drawing here.

232 zombie  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 5:06:44pm

re: #229 buzzsawmonkey

He was both a furrier and, initially, a furriner.

Did he study Fourier Transforms too?

233 Sharmuta  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 5:07:15pm

re: #224 quickjustice

I think the fear and anger they express is real, however.

This isn't directed at you personally, but what is with this line? I keep seeing it. Who is saying the fear and anger are fake?

234 pianobuff  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 5:07:20pm

re: #224 quickjustice

One would think, and Charles has argued, that the bad behavior by some of the protesters would hurt their cause. It's a reasonable supposition.

I think the fear and anger they express is real, however. At the moment, that seems to be offsetting the bad behavior in the court of public opinion. And I don't think Pelosi's "they're all "Nazis" ploy is working. Democrat Conyers paid a guy to parade around his district office with a giant photo of Obama doctored with a Hitler mustache. It's astroturfing, pure and simple.

Is that hearsay or do you have a link?

235 Lucius Septimius  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 5:07:35pm

re: #221 buzzsawmonkey

Don't get furrier than though with me ...

236 zombie  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 5:07:49pm

re: #229 buzzsawmonkey

Did he use the pelts to upholster furn'ture?

237 quickjustice  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 5:08:00pm

re: #211 Maui Girl

Simple answer: The government programs (Medicare and Medicaid) are out of money. Obama wants participation by the (former) private sector insureds to cure that.

238 pianobuff  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 5:08:37pm

re: #233 Sharmuta

This isn't directed at you personally, but what is with this line? I keep seeing it. Who is saying the fear and anger are fake?

I've seen some "manufactured anger" headlines, particularly when the storyline is about right-wing astroturfing.

239 albusteve  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 5:08:42pm

re: #229 buzzsawmonkey

He was both a furrier and, initially, a furriner.

Lowell George's father was a furrier...small world eh?

240 doubter4444  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 5:08:55pm

re: #209 HoosierHoops

Did I miss something doubter4444? I didn't see the shot at the Marine Corp...
And I'm just a little bit hypersensitive to shots across the bow...

No did not, your not missing anything.
Someone mentioned Cato's comment as a shot at the Marines, which I did not take as one either... am I'm bit sensitive too, and while I don't have a son over there (I'll put him in my prayers tonight, if that's OK with you), I know plenty who do.
My point was I get really angry at those who wrap themselves up in the flag to spout nonsense, then piss and moan that's American to call them out on it.
That's all.
Was it you who mentioned that your dog was sick? If so I hope it's OK.
I had a white Lab, the best dog in the F$%%ing world, (that's her as my avatar if I loaded it correctly) up and just pass away a couple of months ago, and I'm still reeling from it, so I wish you all the best.

241 Lucius Septimius  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 5:09:26pm

Not to be dense, but since I've been away for a while, what's the "karma" thingee mean on the profile?

242 [deleted]  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 5:09:32pm
243 quickjustice  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 5:09:32pm

re: #232 zombie

Reluctant up-ding, coupled with a loud groan, for that one!

244 clgood  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 5:09:36pm

Beck's little primer on eugenics seems quite factual to me. I don't know why he left out the most influential eugenicisist in America, Margaret Sanger. She founded Planned Parenthood. More people should learn the real history of what "progressives" were up to in the early twentieth century. Up to that point in the show it was "so far, so good".

Then he just gets all kinds of scattered. That weird blackboard chart seemed to hit inarticulately at several targets, many of which are valid on their own. The "Green" movement really is about social control, and the Nazis really did like both abortion and euthanasia, etc. But he failed to show a clear "connection" between whatever and that other thing.

For a guy who makes his living in the media he really seemed unfocussed here. I've only recently started seeing some Beck clips and, I must say, I haven't been too impressed.

But I'm also suspicious of the editing that turned his hour show into these ten minutes. I know how to edit, and I've seen myself edited. I know all too well that any edit belies a bias. It's unavoidable.

245 BignJames  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 5:09:43pm

re: #235 Lucius Septimius

Don't get furrier than though with me ...

Huh?

246 Sharmuta  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 5:09:56pm

Just because the fear and anger are real doesn't mean they should be used as justifications to engage in hostile or violent behavior. It's giving in to passion over reason, and politically- that's a slippery slope.

247 yochanan  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 5:09:56pm

re: #221 buzzsawmonkey

one winter i had some PETA woman come up to me and tell me I really shouldn't wear fur.

so I stood up and said in a real strong sounding voice 'YOU DON'T WANT TO KNOW WHAT I DO FOR A LIVING'

she said no but she was sure I would tell her

so i did 'I WORK ON DEAD THINGS' and i like meat, leather, and fur.

248 nonic  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 5:10:37pm

re: #202 pianobuff

Did anyone predict this?

Yes, I did.

Noisy, raucus opposition makes the news and gets played over and over on youtube. That's publicity for the opposition.

Why does anyone think that Obama and Pelosi were hell bent on passing legislation BEFORE it got much publicity and before the reps had to go home and confront their constituents? To minimize opposition -- but it has blown up in their faces.

249 Lucius Septimius  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 5:10:51pm

re: #245 BignJames

Should have been "thou." I'm a bit rusty with the comment thingee.

250 reine.de.tout  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 5:10:55pm

re: #241 Lucius Septimius

Not to be dense, but since I've been away for a while, what's the "karma" thingee mean on the profile?

Do you see the plus and minus buttons (upper right of your comment box).
People can ding you up or ding you down.

Your "Karma" is your total plus dings minus your minus dings.

251 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 5:11:06pm

re: #242 buzzsawmonkey

I have no idea what those are, but if they relate to engineering, possibly. He wanted to be an engineer, but was informed by his professors not to bother; there were no jobs in that field for Jews.

I graduated from an engineering school. Right now, there are no jobs in that field for anyone.

252 BignJames  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 5:11:06pm

re: #242 buzzsawmonkey

I have no idea what those are, but if they relate to engineering, possibly. He wanted to be an engineer, but was informed by his professors not to bother; there were no jobs in that field for Jews.


foyer transoms

253 astronmr20  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 5:11:10pm

re: #32 MarineVet

Wow! Amazing that this made a thread and not the staged "town hall" meeting of Obama...sometimes I wonder what direction this blog goes...

Obama's kabuki town hall is obvious. Many right-leaning blogs covered it.

Charles is (rightly, I believe) pointing out the rediculousnesses that will be the downfall of the right if we don't call it out when we see it.

254 quickjustice  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 5:11:17pm

re: #233 Sharmuta

Nancy Pelosi and the Democrats who have settled upon the "protesters are Nazis" meme. They really think the protesters are astroturfing.

255 pianobuff  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 5:11:27pm

re: #233 Sharmuta

This isn't directed at you personally, but what is with this line? I keep seeing it. Who is saying the fear and anger are fake?

I just Googled "manufactured anger" and "healthcare"

Here's one source... The White House (via the Washington Times, first result returned on the Google search).


The White House on Tuesday dismissed protests against President Obama's health care reforms in multiple states over the weekend as "manufactured anger" orchestrated by right wing groups and the Republican party.

"I hope people will take a jaundiced eye to what is clearly the Astroturf nature of grass-roots lobbying," said White House press secretary Robert Gibbs during a morning off-camera session in his office with reporters.

"This is manufactured anger," he said.

256 Ayeless in Ghazi  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 5:11:35pm

OBAMA IS LITERALLY HITLER

[Link: obamaisliterallyhitler.tumblr.com...]

257 Truck Monkey  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 5:11:37pm

re: #237 quickjustice

Simple answer: The government programs (Medicare and Medicaid) are out of money. Obama wants participation by the (former) private sector insureds to cure that.

It is the classic Ponzi scheme formula. If you were running it you would have to constantly be looking for additional participants to make the thing viable. That is until you run out of future participants. If Bernie Madoff ran Medicaid, Medicare, and Social Security I'm sure he'd be in jail by now.

258 Maui Girl  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 5:11:58pm

I asked earlier if anyone had watched the segment on ABC last night (don't know what show it was but interviewer was someone that Charlie or George) where President obama was asked if he and his family would go on the same healthcare plan he's proposing? Obama apparently didn't answer. Anyone?

259 doubter4444  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 5:12:05pm

My point was I get really angry at those who wrap themselves up in the flag to spout nonsense, then piss and moan that's UN-American to call them out on it.
That's all.

PIMF
Sorry

260 Lucius Septimius  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 5:12:24pm

re: #250 reine.de.tout

Thanks. Makes sense.

I don't know if I ever actually got a down ding. If there was a "MEGO" ding, though, I'm sure I'd have a bunch of them.

261 BignJames  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 5:12:25pm

re: #249 Lucius Septimius

Should have been "thou." I'm a bit rusty with the comment thingee.


I didn'y know there was a "furry community"...sheltered life, you know.

262 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 5:12:43pm

re: #244 clgood

Beck's little primer on eugenics seems quite factual to me. I don't know why he left out the most influential eugenicisist in America, Margaret Sanger. She founded Planned Parenthood. More people should learn the real history of what "progressives" were up to in the early twentieth century. Up to that point in the show it was "so far, so good".

Then he just gets all kinds of scattered. That weird blackboard chart seemed to hit inarticulately at several targets, many of which are valid on their own. The "Green" movement really is about social control, and the Nazis really did like both abortion and euthanasia, etc. But he failed to show a clear "connection" between whatever and that other thing.

For a guy who makes his living in the media he really seemed unfocussed here. I've only recently started seeing some Beck clips and, I must say, I haven't been too impressed.

But I'm also suspicious of the editing that turned his hour show into these ten minutes. I know how to edit, and I've seen myself edited. I know all too well that any edit belies a bias. It's unavoidable.

Can someone clarify for me if there was actually any conservative opposition to the ugly eugenics crap that sadly went around in the U.S. and Europe in the late-nineteenth-early-20th? I keep hearing it referred to as 'progressive', or 'socialist', but my impression is that it was pretty nonpartisan. Info, info, please?

263 [deleted]  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 5:12:51pm
264 zombie  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 5:13:16pm

re: #242 buzzsawmonkey

I have no idea what those are, but if they relate to engineering, possibly. He wanted to be an engineer, but was informed by his professors not to bother; there were no jobs in that field for Jews.

If your grandpa cauterized the still-fresh pelt by inserting electrodes in the to-be-skinned animal's rectal region, he could be said to be engaging in Furrier Anal-ysis.

265 Lucius Septimius  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 5:13:19pm

re: #255 pianobuff

If you take a jaundiced eye to astroturf you are likely to only make the infection worse.

266 Digital Display  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 5:13:25pm

re: #228 Lucius Septimius

Nudge is good as a wink.

A wife that loves SportsCenter? Dude..3 questions
1. Are you the luckest F*cker in the World?
2. Who cooks on SB Sunday? Admit it..I'll still love you...
3. Generally...She can kick your ass in sports right? Be kind..just say yes...
/ I'm teasing you friend

267 pianobuff  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 5:13:32pm

re: #246 Sharmuta

Just because the fear and anger are real doesn't mean they should be used as justifications to engage in hostile or violent behavior. It's giving in to passion over reason, and politically- that's a slippery slope.

It's interesting. In the poll, the respondents seem to lean towards allowing some level of emotion (the democracy in action thing), but swing back the other way when explicitly asked about shouting speakers down. R's and D's both, actually.

268 Killian Bundy  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 5:13:49pm

re: #253 astronmr20

Obama's kabuki town hall is obvious.

/what was your first clue, when they all started chanting, "yes we can!"?

269 yochanan  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 5:13:50pm

re: #256 Jimmah

OBAMA IS LITERALLY HITLER

[Link: obamaisliterallyhitler.tumblr.com...]

as much as i can't stand the zero this is way over the line clean up in 256

270 Lucius Septimius  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 5:14:06pm

re: #261 BignJames

I didn'y know there was a "furry community"...sheltered life, you know.

I think the one thing that pretty much all other sub-culture agrees with is that Furries are the bottom of the geek hierarchy.

271 Sharmuta  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 5:14:44pm

re: #262 SanFranciscoZionist

Can someone clarify for me if there was actually any conservative opposition to the ugly eugenics crap that sadly went around in the U.S. and Europe in the late-nineteenth-early-20th? I keep hearing it referred to as 'progressive', or 'socialist', but my impression is that it was pretty nonpartisan. Info, info, please?

The beck video listed Teddy Roosevelt as a supporter.

272 quickjustice  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 5:15:12pm

re: #234 pianobuff

Mea culpa: it was Dingell, not Conyers, but here's the link:

[Link: theblogprof.blogspot.com...]

273 Scion9  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 5:15:37pm

re: #269 yochanan

That's a satirical site. It was meant as a joke.

274 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 5:15:43pm

re: #256 Jimmah

OBAMA IS LITERALLY HITLER

[Link: obamaisliterallyhitler.tumblr.com...]

I like it!

275 Lucius Septimius  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 5:15:48pm

re: #266 HoosierHoops

A wife that loves SportsCenter? Dude..3 questions
1. Are you the luckest F*cker in the World?
2. Who cooks on SB Sunday? Admit it..I'll still love you...
3. Generally...She can kick your ass in sports right? Be kind..just say yes...
/ I'm teasing you friend

1. No
2. Me -- I make Chicago-Style Pizza every football Sunday. That or grill, and the grill is the man-machine.
3: I can whip her in any sport any time any where. Though once she did hit me with a beanball. I charged the mound. It was fun.

276 yochanan  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 5:16:21pm

re: #273 Scion9

TOTALLY NOT FUNNY

277 pianobuff  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 5:16:49pm

re: #272 quickjustice

Mea culpa: it was Dingell, not Conyers, but here's the link:

[Link: theblogprof.blogspot.com...]

That whole story is bizarre. I think it was established earlier that guy is a LaRouche follower. The LaRouchians want "Obama's Nazi Healthcare" to fail so they can push for...wait...get this...single payer.

278 Sharmuta  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 5:16:52pm

re: #267 pianobuff

It's interesting. In the poll, the respondents seem to lean towards allowing some level of emotion (the democracy in action thing), but swing back the other way when explicitly asked about shouting speakers down. R's and D's both, actually.

It's natural for our emotions to get involved- we're human. But we're also supposed to be civilized, and should conform to the dictates of reason in the body politic.

279 Ben G. Hazi  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 5:17:21pm

re: #65 MarineVet

If those of you that haven't watch Glenn Beck who was let go from CNN because of his STRONG conservative values. You should be told that when Glenn Beck does talk about his family he does get emotional!! Of course, you might as well start trashing him some more about his alcholism and drug use oops I mean his former times in the gutter... Some of his facts may be incorrect but the overall aspect of his reporting is dead on!! For those of you just using a keyboard to rip a person apart shame on you...Never saw so much acid in a string here before and frankly it is a disgusting insight in some of you that I would have felt better not being exposed to...We all have our opinions and I am sure after this posting you can break out your claws and start ripping into me but I will still sit on this wall and defend your right to free speech...God Bless America

IIRC, Beck was released from CNN because he signed his deal with Fox that was due to start a couple of months from then...no sense in CNN letting their "talent" have the chance to promote their transition to a competitor.

As for the rest of your post, it's not even a good defense of Beck, who has done and said so much over the past few months or so that is indefensible for people with a shred of decency or common sense.

280 jaunte  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 5:17:51pm

re: #262 SanFranciscoZionist

Can someone clarify for me if there was actually any conservative opposition to the ugly eugenics crap that sadly went around in the U.S. and Europe in the late-nineteenth-early-20th? I keep hearing it referred to as 'progressive', or 'socialist', but my impression is that it was pretty nonpartisan. Info, info, please?

Catholics in general were opposed, and a lot of scientists early on refuted the eugenics faddists' idea that 'pure-bred' organisms had any advantages over genetically mixed organisms.

281 quickjustice  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 5:18:04pm

re: #209 HoosierHoops

I thought Cato the Elder's #140, above, was a cheap shot at the Marine Corps, but he denies it. You be the judge.

282 Charles Johnson  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 5:18:57pm

re: #277 pianobuff

That whole story is bizarre. I think it was established earlier that guy is a LaRouche follower. The LaRouchians want "Obama's Nazi Healthcare" to fail so they can push for...wait...get this...single payer.

The LaRouche ideology is impossible to understand. Don't even try. All you need to know in the context of the current times is that they are trying to align themselves with the right at these events. Go look at their website.

283 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 5:19:04pm

re: #65 MarineVet

If those of you that haven't watch Glenn Beck who was let go from CNN because of his STRONG conservative values.

Not this canard again. Beck has STRONG Libertarian values, because that's what he is, a Libertarian. And although conservatives and libertarians do intersect on some issues, they certainly are not the same beasts.

284 Ayeless in Ghazi  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 5:19:38pm

re: #269 yochanan

as much as i can't stand the zero this is way over the line clean up in 256

It's SATIRE!

285 pianobuff  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 5:19:40pm

re: #278 Sharmuta

It's natural for our emotions to get involved- we're human. But we're also supposed to be civilized, and should conform to the dictates of reason in the body politic.

And clearly the majority of those polled feel the line should be drawn somewhere short of shouting folks down so they can't speak.

286 Lucius Septimius  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 5:19:56pm

OK -- off to watch "Sink the Bismarck" for the 1,000th time. Word.

287 Lucius Septimius  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 5:20:26pm

re: #282 Charles

The LaRouche ideology is impossible to understand.

Mescaline doesn't even help.

288 [deleted]  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 5:20:33pm
289 nonic  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 5:21:43pm

re: #258 Maui Girl

I asked earlier if anyone had watched the segment on ABC last night (don't know what show it was but interviewer was someone that Charlie or George) where President obama was asked if he and his family would go on the same healthcare plan he's proposing? Obama apparently didn't answer. Anyone?

I just recently, this evening, saw a transcript of Obama's town hall offered, but I didn't click on it, and I don't recall where it was. I guess you could google for it.

290 Ayeless in Ghazi  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 5:21:45pm

re: #273 Scion9

That's a satirical site. It was meant as a joke.

It really says something about these crazy times that you'd have to signpost a link like that as *SATIRE* to avoid this confusion.

291 pianobuff  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 5:21:50pm

re: #282 Charles

The LaRouche ideology is impossible to understand. Don't even try. All you need to know in the context of the current times is that they are trying to align themselves with the right at these events. Go look at their website.

Who on the right would even want single payer? LaRouche is a Scotsman Democrat, isn't he. I'm sure, as you say, their ideology is as twisted as a pretzel. I saw the PAC home page but haven't been to their main website. I'll check it out though.

292 quickjustice  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 5:22:03pm

re: #282 Charles

LaRouche is definitely insane. We see plenty of his followers trying to recruit in the subway system here.

293 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 5:22:36pm

re: #271 Sharmuta

The beck video listed Teddy Roosevelt as a supporter.

He was, and he was the guy who nominated Ollie Wendell Holmes, a great man who made some creepy decisions based on the received wisdom of his age. That's why I want to know if there's actually any reason to identify this crap as 'progressive' or 'socialist' or if it was simply the bad science of its day.

294 yochanan  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 5:22:55pm

re: #282 Charles

THEY started out as a split off the trotskist SWP/YSA were leftist for a couple of years and then moved to the fascist right. keeping parts of both the marxist/trotskitite crap adding to it fascist crap with old lyndon as dear leader.

295 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 5:23:58pm

re: #273 Scion9

That's a satirical site. It was meant as a joke.

totally lame, like Roseanne Barr in Heeb, only even stupider.

296 Digital Display  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 5:24:08pm

re: #281 quickjustice

I thought Cato the Elder's #140, above, was a cheap shot at the Marine Corps, but he denies it. You be the judge.

I'm sorry QJ..I saw no disrespect to the Corp in #140...
I think Cato sometimes can be really sharp like a sword towards posters and sometimes mean, sometimes kind..
I have never seen him diss the Marine Corp...IMO

297 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 5:24:30pm

re: #282 Charles

The LaRouche ideology is impossible to understand. Don't even try. All you need to know in the context of the current times is that they are trying to align themselves with the right at these events. Go look at their website.

THat may be hard, because I think they're gonna scare the right. They're incomprehensible, and terrifying.

298 yochanan  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 5:24:53pm

re: #284 Jimmah

frankly i dont find hitler to be funny in any way in fact it shows how little some people know to think of it as funny .

299 Sharmuta  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 5:25:25pm

re: #293 SanFranciscoZionist

He was, and he was the guy who nominated Ollie Wendell Holmes, a great man who made some creepy decisions based on the received wisdom of his age. That's why I want to know if there's actually any reason to identify this crap as 'progressive' or 'socialist' or if it was simply the bad science of its day.

The anti-vaxers are on both sides of the aisle so it's not unheard of. That would be worth looking into.

300 pianobuff  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 5:25:25pm

Man...the first 3 paragraphs of LR's wiki entry are quite the melange...Bet there are no Wiki wars going on at that page...eh?

Lyndon Hermyle LaRouche, Jr. (born September 8, 1922) is an American self-styled economist,[1] a political activist, and the founder of several political organizations, known collectively as the LaRouche movement. He has been a perennial candidate for President of the United States, having run in eight elections since 1976, once as a U.S. Labor Party candidate and seven times as a candidate for the Democratic Party nomination.

There are sharply contrasting opinions on LaRouche. Supporters have described him as the greatest living economist,[2] and a political leader in the tradition of Franklin Delano Roosevelt and Martin Luther King.[3][4] Critics have called him an extremist,[5] a conspiracy theorist, [6] a political cult leader,[7] a fascist,[8] and/or an antisemite.[9] The Heritage Foundation has said that he "leads what may well be one of the strangest political groups in American history".[10][11] In 1984, LaRouche's research staff was described by Norman Bailey, a former senior staffer of the National Security Council, as "one of the best private intelligence services in the world".[11]

LaRouche was sentenced to 15 years' imprisonment in 1988 for conspiracy to commit mail fraud and tax code violations, but continued his political activities from behind bars until his release in 1994 on parole. His defense attorney, Ramsey Clark, a former U.S. Attorney General, argued that the case represented an unprecedented abuse of power by the U.S. government in an effort to destroy the LaRouche organizations.[12] LaRouche and his defenders believe the prosecution was a politically motivated conspiracy involving government officials, numerous others, and a mass-media brainwashing campaign.[13]

301 Ayeless in Ghazi  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 5:25:32pm

re: #282 Charles

The LaRouche ideology is impossible to understand. Don't even try. All you need to know in the context of the current times is that they are trying to align themselves with the right at these events. Go look at their website.

I argued once with a Larouchie who was trying to convince me that the Rolling Stones were formed as part of a sekrit plan to debauch America's youth. Scary biscuits.

302 yochanan  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 5:25:56pm

re: #295 Alouette

barr is a self hating anti semite. and i wouldn't wipe my touckas with heeb.

303 ladycatnip  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 5:26:34pm

OT
Ruthless Pragmatism

Obama also said his economic advisers aren’t constrained by ideology or connections to former Treasury Secretary Robert Rubin. “What I’ve been constantly searching for is a ruthless pragmatism when it comes to economic policy,” he said, in the interview.

Who do you want making decisions for you and your loved ones - a ruthless pragmatist, or you.

304 nonic  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 5:27:17pm

re: #262 SanFranciscoZionist

Can someone clarify for me if there was actually any conservative opposition to the ugly eugenics crap that sadly went around in the U.S. and Europe in the late-nineteenth-early-20th? I keep hearing it referred to as 'progressive', or 'socialist', but my impression is that it was pretty nonpartisan. Info, info, please?

I don't know about opposition, but as I recall both socialism and eugenics were considered very modern and eugenics especially was considered "scientific" at the time, the first two decades of the 20th century. Many of the important literary figures of the time were into both concepts.

The intellectual elite were in thrall to Marx, Darwin, and Freud. Very "smart," you know, very avant garde.

305 Charles Johnson  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 5:27:19pm

re: #303 ladycatnip

OT
Ruthless Pragmatism

Who do you want making decisions for you and your loved ones - a ruthless pragmatist, or you.

Is there a difference?

Ba-da-bump.

306 Gus  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 5:27:30pm

re: #262 SanFranciscoZionist

Can someone clarify for me if there was actually any conservative opposition to the ugly eugenics crap that sadly went around in the U.S. and Europe in the late-nineteenth-early-20th? I keep hearing it referred to as 'progressive', or 'socialist', but my impression is that it was pretty nonpartisan. Info, info, please?

This might be a little nuanced:

Harry Hamilton Laughlin

Harry Hamilton Laughlin (March 11, 1880 – January 26, 1943) was a leading American eugenicist in the first half of the 20th century. He was the director of the Eugenics Record Office from its inception in 1910 to its closing in 1939, and was among the most active individuals in influencing American eugenics policy, especially compulsory sterilization legislation.

Laughlin provided extensive statistical testimony to the United States Congress in support of the Johnson-Reed Immigration Act of 1924. Part of his testimony dealt with "excessive" insanity among immigrants from southern Europe and eastern Europe. He was eventually appointed as an expert eugenics agent to the Committee on Immigration and Naturalization. (The 1924 law applied national-origin quotas on immigrants which stopped the large Italian and Russian influx of the early 1900s). At least one contemporary scientist, bacterial geneticist Herbert Spencer Jennings, condemned Laughlin's statistics as invalid due to the comparison of recent immigrants to more settled immigrants.

Johnson-Reed Immigration Act of 1924

Rep. Albert Johnson (R-WA)

Johnson [Republican] has been described as "an unusually energetic and vehement racist and nativist."[2] He was the head of 'The Eugenics Research Association', a group which opposed interracial marriage and supported forced sterilization of the feeble minded. In support of his 1919 proposal to suspend immigration he included this quote from a State Department Official referring to Jewish people as "filthy, un-American, and often dangerous in their habits."[3]

Sen. David A. Reed (R-PA)

307 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 5:28:06pm

re: #302 yochanan

barr is a self hating anti semite. and i wouldn't wipe my touckas with heeb.

Waitaminute. Are you telling me that [DELETED] is Jewish?

308 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 5:28:08pm

re: #302 yochanan

barr is a self hating anti semite. and i wouldn't wipe my touckas with heeb.

Barr is simply insane, and I wouldn't let Heeb get on my delicate bits either.

True story, I was once at a 'young Jewish leaders' seminar with the woman who founded Heeb.

309 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 5:28:48pm

re: #308 SanFranciscoZionist

Barr is simply insane, and I wouldn't let Heeb get on my delicate bits either.

True story, I was once at a 'young Jewish leaders' seminar with the woman who founded Heeb.

She got a Joshua Grant, and I didn't, and I'm still pissed off about it.

310 Gus  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 5:29:02pm

re: #262 SanFranciscoZionist

Can someone clarify for me if there was actually any conservative opposition to the ugly eugenics crap that sadly went around in the U.S. and Europe in the late-nineteenth-early-20th? I keep hearing it referred to as 'progressive', or 'socialist', but my impression is that it was pretty nonpartisan. Info, info, please?

Also see Herbert Hoover. "Birthright" etc.

311 BignJames  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 5:29:03pm

re: #303 ladycatnip

OT
Ruthless Pragmatism


Who do you want making decisions for you and your loved ones - a ruthless pragmatist, or you.


They'd have a simple argument to make..."yer gonna die anyway...eventually."

312 Ayeless in Ghazi  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 5:29:35pm

re: #298 yochanan

frankly i dont find hitler to be funny in any way in fact it shows how little some people know to think of it as funny .

So when crazy nutbaggers* invoke comparisons between Obama and Hitler, we are not allowing to poke fun at them, because "Hitler isn't funny you know".

Anyway, I think he is funny -

Youtube Video

*Jimmah 2009

313 nonic  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 5:29:43pm

#304 continued

Probably WWI, the influenza epidemic, and the Great Depression is what slowed down, even largely shut down, those movements.

Although Britain couldn't wait until WWII was over so they could really get their socialism set up and running.

314 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 5:30:16pm

re: #306 Gus 802

Thanks, that's interesting. Nuanced I expect. Real things always are.

315 Cato the Elder  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 5:30:40pm

re: #308 SanFranciscoZionist

Barr is simply insane, and I wouldn't let Heeb get on my delicate bits either.

True story, I was once at a 'young Jewish leaders' seminar with the woman who founded Heeb.

And you didn't try to stone her to death?

(Or was she one of those people with a high weed tolerance?)

316 pianobuff  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 5:30:53pm

re: #282 Charles

The LaRouche ideology is impossible to understand. Don't even try. All you need to know in the context of the current times is that they are trying to align themselves with the right at these events. Go look at their website.

Ok. So I checked out the site. It's a virtual ransom letter of policies.

- Wants a new Global Credit System
- Wants to stop Obama's Nazi Health Plan in favor of Single Payer
- Campaigning against "Green Fascism"
- Wants to declare the Fed bankrupt and start a 3rd National Bank
- Streaming FDR on Public Health

Wow.

317 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 5:31:03pm

re: #307 Slumbering Behemoth

Waitaminute. Are you telling me that [DELETED] is Jewish?

Among many other things, yes. What, you thought we only produced physicists and violinists?

/

318 Gus  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 5:31:04pm

re: #314 SanFranciscoZionist

Thanks, that's interesting. Nuanced I expect. Real things always are.

Yeah, although in Albert Johnson's case it's rather blatant.

Eugenics was popular across all ideologies.

319 calcajun  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 5:31:33pm

It's like Howard Beale-- only not as funny.

320 quickjustice  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 5:32:04pm

re: #306 Gus 802

In those days, this was a popular position. And all of the poor immigrants arriving from Europe, of all ethnic groups, were unwashed-- there weren't any bathing facilities in steerage.

321 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 5:32:08pm

re: #40 MarineVet

Sounds like a Keith Olbermann fan club here...

Yeah, that makes perfect sense. LGF doesn't slobber all over your favorite Libertarian pundit, so that obviously must mean we all love Olbermann.

That's not rational thinking.

322 Cato the Elder  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 5:32:27pm

re: #317 SanFranciscoZionist

Among many other things, yes. What, you thought we only produced physicists and violinists?

/

Orly Taitz.

I know, it's too bad.

323 quickjustice  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 5:33:20pm

re: #311 BignJames

Sounds like Frederick the Great to his soldiers fleeing the battlefield: "Do you want to live forever?"

324 yochanan  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 5:33:29pm

re: #316 pianobuff

you forgot there vigilant anti semitism

325 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 5:33:49pm

re: #317 SanFranciscoZionist

Among many other things, yes. What, you thought we only produced physicists and violinists?

/

It's not that, though I know you were joking. It's just I did not know, and never would have guess. I mean, that damn photo shoot with the burnt cookies and all. Just, damn.

326 Gus  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 5:34:18pm

re: #314 SanFranciscoZionist

Thanks, that's interesting. Nuanced I expect. Real things always are.

Another bit of information.

"The Eugenics Research Association has addressed a formal memorial to the Theodore Roosevelt Permanent Memorial National Committee. The statement runs as follows..."

April 3, 1919

327 Cato the Elder  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 5:34:45pm

re: #325 Slumbering Behemoth

It's not that, though I know you were joking. It's just I did not know, and never would have guess. I mean, that damn photo shoot with the burnt cookies and all. Just, damn.

Burnt cookies?

328 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 5:35:02pm

re: #315 Cato the Elder

And you didn't try to stone her to death?

(Or was she one of those people with a high weed tolerance?)

She was unknown at the time, except in the Jewish punk zine-making world in New York. She was a bit of a jerk, though. One of those 'no one but me understands the secret left-wing history of American Jews, because now we're all rich and conservative' types. Did a whole essay in "Yentl's Revenge", which was basically about how privileged Jews are. (Translation, how privileged she was, and now we're all gonna cop to her experience.) Is my dislike showing? I hate the magazine.

329 Gus  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 5:35:04pm

re: #320 quickjustice

In those days, this was a popular position. And all of the poor immigrants arriving from Europe, of all ethnic groups, were unwashed-- there weren't any bathing facilities in steerage.

Yeah. It was a lot like smoking you can say. There was a time when "smoking was good for you."

"Why even mother should smoke."

Etc.

330 BignJames  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 5:35:09pm

re: #323 quickjustice

Sounds like Frederick the Great to his soldiers fleeing the battlefield: "Do you want to live forever?"


I thought that was the hot chick in "Conan, the Barbarian"?

331 HelloDare  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 5:35:59pm

If Obamacare passes, at least we'll have something to play with while we wait in line for a doctor.

[Link: www.danburymint.com...]

332 pianobuff  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 5:36:11pm

re: #324 yochanan

you forgot there vigilant anti semitism

Well... I was pretty much quoting off the page, I didn't see it advertised quite so literally, but have no doubt it was between the lines.

333 reine.de.tout  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 5:36:23pm

re: #295 Alouette

totally lame, like Roseanne Barr in Heeb, only even stupider.

It minimizes the evil of Hitler.

334 [deleted]  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 5:36:46pm
335 reine.de.tout  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 5:36:56pm

That is weird. I see two #333 comments, and both are mine, the same comment. Anybody else see it?

336 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 5:37:02pm

re: #327 Cato the Elder

Burnt cookies?

You didn't see? Barr dressed as Hitler, pulling a sheet of burnt cookie people out of an oven.

337 Cato the Elder  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 5:37:05pm

re: #323 quickjustice

Sounds like Frederick the Great to his soldiers fleeing the battlefield: "Do you want to live forever?"

You left out the part about dogs.

"Hunde, wollt Ihr ewig leben?"

338 Scion9  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 5:37:07pm

re: #293 SanFranciscoZionist

He was, and he was the guy who nominated Ollie Wendell Holmes, a great man who made some creepy decisions based on the received wisdom of his age. That's why I want to know if there's actually any reason to identify this crap as 'progressive' or 'socialist' or if it was simply the bad science of its day.

Teddy Roosevelt's party was the Progressive Party. Wilson basically stole the moniker and both parties fought for the mantle of who were the real 'progressives'. I'd be inclined to say that it was the bad science of its day and had bipartisan support for the most part, but also that 'progressivism' and various other socialistic and/or nationalist ideologies were so completely pervasive that its a moot point to me.

The whole concept of perfecting your race for the betterment of mankind fits the entire 'make the world anew' political thought of that same time period to a T, from both sides of the aisle.

If you are going by that constrained/unconstrained viewpoint, there really weren't any constrained voices to right or left back that came anywhere near the halls of power. Churchill possibly fits that bill, but his views outside of the foreign policy arena didn't play well at home.

The late 19th and early 20th century still had Carlists and other reactionaries as relevant political factions that probably vehemently rejected just about all prevailing thought, political and scientific that their opposition held dear. Again, I'm not sure that counts for anything though.

339 Cato the Elder  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 5:37:47pm

re: #336 Slumbering Behemoth

You didn't see? Barr dressed as Hitler, pulling a sheet of burnt cookie people out of an oven.

Oh, crap. You're not kidding.

340 Mr Pancakes  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 5:38:01pm

re: #335 reine.de.tout

That is weird. I see two #333 comments, and both are mine, the same comment. Anybody else see it?

I only see it once.

I only see it once.

341 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 5:38:03pm

re: #328 SanFranciscoZionist

She was unknown at the time, except in the Jewish punk zine-making world in New York. She was a bit of a jerk, though. One of those 'no one but me understands the secret left-wing history of American Jews, because now we're all rich and conservative' types. Did a whole essay in "Yentl's Revenge", which was basically about how privileged Jews are. (Translation, how privileged she was, and now we're all gonna cop to her experience.) Is my dislike showing? I hate the magazine.

I hate it too, and I have never even seen a copy. Just the glowing reviews in "The Forward" make me want to throw up.

I can't stand "The Forward" but I go there every once in a while to find stuff to make fun of on my blog. "Heeb" is like "The Forward" on steroids.

342 Lee Coller  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 5:38:08pm

LaRouche is a crook (convicted felon -- credit card fraud).

That's all you need to know.

343 Charles Johnson  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 5:38:33pm

re: #335 reine.de.tout

That is weird. I see two #333 comments, and both are mine, the same comment. Anybody else see it?

Nope. Buggy browser glitch.

344 _RememberTonyC  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 5:38:43pm

for a brief period of time, it appeared that Roger Ailes took the advice of some Lizards and told Beck to dial it back a bit. but lately, he appears to be unleashed again. this is really a shame, because beck has done some very good exposing of the ACORN influence that the regular media refuses to do. but with his maddening episodes like this one, he strips away his OWN credibility and that of his network, thus pissing away the good work he has done in other areas. Once you surrender your credibility on one issue, it can't be recovered even when you are right. Beck is the "boy who cried wolf' once too often. he is now "olbermann right."

345 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 5:39:51pm

re: #339 Cato the Elder

Oh, crap. You're not kidding.

I'm afraid not. She did it for Heeb magazine. The pictures are out there, I am kind of hesitant to link them. They were in very poor taste.

346 pianobuff  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 5:39:51pm

Oh, no... She didn't really say that, did she?

NAIROBI - Secretary of State Hillary Clinton compared Nigeria's corruption and electoral problems with the 2000 Florida presidential election recount during a town hall meeting today in Abuja, Nigeria.

Answering a question about Nigeria's recent election, Clinton said, "In 2000, our presidential election came down to one state where the brother of the man running for President was the governor of the state. So we have our problems too."

347 Gus  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 5:39:58pm

Pioneer Fund

The Pioneer Fund is a U.S. non-profit foundation established in 1937 "to advance the scientific study of heredity and human differences." Currently headed by psychology professor J. Philippe Rushton, the fund focuses on projects it perceives will not be easily funded due to controversial subject matter.

Two of the most notable studies funded by the Pioneer Fund are the Minnesota Study of Twins Reared Apart and the Texas Adoption Project, which studied the similarities and differences of identical twins and other children adopted into non-biological families. The Pioneer Fund has been the main source of funding for the partly-genetic hypothesis of IQ variation among races. The fund's grantees and publications have generated controversy since the 1994 publication of The Bell Curve, which drew heavily from Pioneer-funded research. The fund has also been criticized for its perceived stance on eugenics.[1]...

348 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 5:40:14pm

re: #336 Slumbering Behemoth

You didn't see? Barr dressed as Hitler, pulling a sheet of burnt cookie people out of an oven.

Oh, God have mercy. In Heeb? I missed a link, didn't I? Then again, I should have known...

You're serious.

349 Sharmuta  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 5:40:19pm

re: #338 Scion9

He was a republican before he was a progressive.

350 Gus  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 5:40:38pm

re: #347 Gus 802

The Southern Poverty Law Center (SPLC), a civil rights advocacy organization, has characterized the Pioneer Fund as a hate group.[2] In support of this, the SPLC cites the Pioneer Fund's funding of organizations and individuals which the SPLC considers racist.[3] It has also been criticized by some scientists and journalists, and in various peer-reviewed academic articles.[4] Critics of the fund include the SPLC, IQ critic William H. Tucker, and historian Barry Mehler and his Institute for the Study of Academic Racism.

Researchers who have been criticized for accepting grants from the fund have argued that the public debates have been disconnected from the expert debates. Robert A. Gordon, for example, replied to media criticisms of grant-recipients: "Politically correct disinformation about science appears to spread like wildfire among literary intellectuals and other nonspecialists, who have few disciplinary constraints on what they say about science and about particular scientists and on what they allow themselves to believe."[5]

351 quickjustice  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 5:41:05pm

re: #326 Gus 802

I'm a fan of Teddy's, not so much for his philosophy, but for his contrarian streak and populist instincts. My favorite quote, by GOP NYC millionaire Henry Clay Frick: "We bought Roosevelt, but he wouldn't stay bought!"

352 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 5:41:30pm

re: #341 Alouette

I hate it too, and I have never even seen a copy. Just the glowing reviews in "The Forward" make me want to throw up.

I can't stand "The Forward" but I go there every once in a while to find stuff to make fun of on my blog. "Heeb" is like "The Forward" on steroids.

Oh. It's baaad stupid.

353 HelloDare  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 5:41:58pm

re: #334 buzzsawmonkey
[Link: www.danburymint.com...]

My eyes! My eyes! It burns!

It's going to be prescribed for as anesthesia for brain surgery under Obama care. One look and your mind is numb.

354 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 5:42:04pm

re: #346 pianobuff

Of all the stupid... :sigh:

355 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 5:42:25pm

re: #348 SanFranciscoZionist

Oh, God have mercy. In Heeb? I missed a link, didn't I? Then again, I should have known...

You're serious.

Israellycool has pix.

356 albusteve  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 5:42:29pm

re: #346 pianobuff

Oh, no... She didn't really say that, did she?

NAIROBI - Secretary of State Hillary Clinton compared Nigeria's corruption and electoral problems with the 2000 Florida presidential election recount during a town hall meeting today in Abuja, Nigeria.

Answering a question about Nigeria's recent election, Clinton said, "In 2000, our presidential election came down to one state where the brother of the man running for President was the governor of the state. So we have our problems too."

there you go...a bonafied crackpot imo...that is way over the top, and to take that shit overseas as SofS is deplorable

357 quickjustice  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 5:43:29pm

re: #335 reine.de.tout

Seeing double, dear? If you switch to Drambuie, you'll see triple! ;-)

358 yochanan  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 5:43:35pm

re: #333 reine.de.tout

It minimizes the evil of Hitler.

100% agreement.

359 Gus  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 5:43:45pm

re: #351 quickjustice

I'm a fan of Teddy's, not so much for his philosophy, but for his contrarian streak and populist instincts. My favorite quote, by GOP NYC millionaire Henry Clay Frick: "We bought Roosevelt, but he wouldn't stay bought!"

Yeah, I suppose he did "morph."

360 Cato the Elder  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 5:44:14pm

re: #338 Scion9

The whole concept of perfecting your race for the betterment of mankind fits the entire 'make the world anew' political thought of that same time period to a T, from both sides of the aisle.

Speaking of which...

Yesterday's NYT science section carried an article about geoengineering as a way to cool the planet. The argument goes that even if governments stick to their pledges to reduce emissions (which they won't - duh!), the positive effects won't be felt for decades.

So we should "adjust the thermostat" by artificially brightening clouds to reflect more sunlight. There are other plans besides that one.

It's either insane hubris or a "yeah, what could go wrong with that?" moment. Or both.

361 quickjustice  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 5:45:16pm

re: #337 Cato the Elder

German isn't one of my languages. Would you give it to me in Latin or ancient Greek?

362 [deleted]  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 5:45:22pm
363 Gus  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 5:45:42pm

More...

The Federation for American Immigration Reform (FAIR)

Despite its ugly record, the Federation for American Immigration Reform is still taken seriously by some officials and the media

The forces seeking to sharply reduce the number of immigrants coming to America won a stunning victory in June 2007, when nativist anger at an "amnesty" for the undocumented scuttled a major bipartisan immigration reform package backed by President Bush. Many members of Congress were completely unprepared for the flood of angry E-mails, phone calls and faxes they received — an inundation so massive that the phone system collapsed under the weight of more than 400,000 faxes.

They should not have been surprised. The furious nativist tide was largely driven by an array of immigration restriction organizations that has been built up over the course of more than 20 years into fixtures in the nation's capital.

The vast majority of these groups were founded or funded by John Tanton, a major architect of the contemporary nativist movement who, 20 years ago, was already warning of a destructive "Latin onslaught" heading to the United States. Most of these organizations used their vast resources in the days leading up to a vote on the bill to stir up a nativist backlash that ultimately resulted in its death.

At the center of the Tanton web is the nonprofit Federation for American Immigration Reform (FAIR), the most important organization fueling the backlash against immigration. Founded by Tanton in 1979, FAIR has long been marked by anti-Latino and anti-Catholic attitudes. It has mixed this bigotry with a fondness for eugenics, the idea of breeding better humans discredited by its Nazi associations. It has accepted $1.2 million from an infamous, racist eugenics foundation. It has employed officials in key positions who are also members of white supremacist groups. Recently, it has promoted racist conspiracy theories about Mexico's secret designs on the American Southwest and an alternative theory alleging secret plans to merge the United States, Mexico and Canada. In 2006, a senior FAIR official sought "advice" from the leaders of a racist Belgian political party...

364 pianobuff  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 5:45:44pm

re: #360 Cato the Elder

Speaking of which...

Yesterday's NYT science section carried an article about geoengineering as a way to cool the planet. The argument goes that even if governments stick to their pledges to reduce emissions (which they won't - duh!), the positive effects won't be felt for decades.

So we should "adjust the thermostat" by artificially brightening clouds to reflect more sunlight. There are other plans besides that one.

It's either insane hubris or a "yeah, what could go wrong with that?" moment. Or both.

Didn't Holdren or one of the other Czars talked about that as an option last spring?

365 HelloDare  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 5:46:05pm

Pay per view: Glenn Beck vs Keith Olbermann

366 _RememberTonyC  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 5:46:12pm

re: #346 pianobuff

Oh, no... She didn't really say that, did she?

NAIROBI - Secretary of State Hillary Clinton compared Nigeria's corruption and electoral problems with the 2000 Florida presidential election recount during a town hall meeting today in Abuja, Nigeria.

Answering a question about Nigeria's recent election, Clinton said, "In 2000, our presidential election came down to one state where the brother of the man running for President was the governor of the state. So we have our problems too."


tell hillary to take it up with ruth bader ginsburg, her husband's appointee. she signed off on it.

367 pianobuff  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 5:46:15pm

re: #364 pianobuff

talked = talk
PIMF

368 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 5:46:16pm

re: #352 SanFranciscoZionist

Oh. It's baaad stupid.

"Heeb" even defended the Roseanne photos, saying, "Mel Brooks and Seinfeld and South Park all made fun of Hitler, so why can't we?"

Maybe because Mel Brooks, Seinfeld and South Park are actually teh Funny, and Heeb is just teh Stupid?

369 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 5:46:38pm

re: #355 Alouette

Israellycool has pix.

Well, OK. My diet is being helped along, so that's good...

(deleted, deleted, deleted,...deleted...)

370 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 5:47:16pm

re: #365 HelloDare

Pay per view: Glenn Beck vs Keith Olbermann

We will call it "Blunderdome". Or maybe "Blubberdome", on account of all the crybaby crap those two pull.

371 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 5:47:52pm

re: #368 Alouette

"Heeb" even defended the Roseanne photos, saying, "Mel Brooks and Seinfeld and South Park all made fun of Hitler, so why can't we?"

Maybe because Mel Brooks, Seinfeld and South Park are actually teh Funny, and Heeb is just teh Stupid?

Maybe because in those cases I felt that Hitler was the one being made fun of?

372 yochanan  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 5:47:56pm

re: #368 Alouette

snicklegrubber still isn't funny

373 pianobuff  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 5:48:44pm

re: #362 buzzsawmonkey

Well, hell--she thought she was going to be President, and figured that at least as Secretary of State she'd be doing high-profile stuff like rescuing hostages from North Korea or negotiating the dismantling of Israel.

Instead, she's stuck in Nairobi. She's gotta say something to get back in the news.

Better for her to use that line in Nairobi then in Tehran, I guess.

374 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 5:49:06pm

re: #368 Alouette

What a lousy defense from them. How is someone dressed as hitler, pulling burnt people cookies out of an oven funny, let alone making fun of hitler?

Very lame, and in very poor taste.

375 quickjustice  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 5:49:31pm

re: #362 buzzsawmonkey

Everyone now agrees that Bush won Florida in 2000, including the liberal media. The reporters went back and looked at all of the ballots, including the ones excluded by the U.S. Supreme Court. Recounting them would have made no difference.

Hillary is as casual a liar as her husband.

376 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 5:49:34pm

re: #371 SanFranciscoZionist

Maybe because in those cases I felt that Hitler was the one being made fun of?

Has "Heeb" ever published anything that was remotely entertaining or are they just dumbasses who are offensive because they have no talent?

377 calcajun  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 5:49:36pm

re: #322 Cato the Elder

Orly Taitz.

It's a name you might see in LOL cats-- "It left an Orly Taitz in me mouth"

378 [deleted]  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 5:49:49pm
379 calcajun  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 5:50:12pm

re: #375 quickjustice

Everyone now agrees that Bush won Florida in 2000, including the liberal media. The reporters went back and looked at all of the ballots, including the ones excluded by the U.S. Supreme Court. Recounting them would have made no difference.

Hillary is as casual a liar as her husband.

No--she is a panderer. She tells a crowd what they want to hear.

380 quickjustice  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 5:50:51pm

re: #322 Cato the Elder

Orly and Pamela. Too bad.

381 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 5:51:13pm

re: #376 Alouette

I've never even heard of that publication until that Barr crap. Guess I ain't missing a thing.

382 [deleted]  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 5:51:41pm
383 albusteve  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 5:51:55pm

re: #379 calcajun

No--she is a panderer. She tells a crowd what they want to hear.

it's a sick lie, she should be called to the carpet for it...this entire admin sucks...the make it up, make believe frat boys and their henchpeople

384 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 5:52:09pm

re: #376 Alouette

Has "Heeb" ever published anything that was remotely entertaining or are they just dumbasses who are offensive because they have no talent?

They had an occasional article I thought was interesting--an interview with an old-style badkhen by a young guy who does hip-hop. Rare. It's high on the self-hating.

385 Gus  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 5:52:32pm

bbl

386 _RememberTonyC  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 5:52:35pm

if you want to read a well reasoned look at the health care strategy of the Obamacrats, read this one:

[Link: www.nypost.com...]

Obamacrats ... I like that!

387 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 5:52:55pm

re: #382 buzzsawmonkey

There's no point to it--except that using vintage Nazi imagery is of itself considered "edgy." Guess they draw the line at having someone in a keffiyah and bomb belt--you know, the current Nazis.

Or maybe they don't. I don't know.

Knowing Heeb, they might consider that offensive to Arabs.

388 yochanan  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 5:53:02pm

re: #383 albusteve

it's a sick lie, she should be called to the carpet for it...this entire admin sucks...the make it up, make believe frat boys and their henchpeople

R.O.M.A or M.S.U.?

389 calcajun  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 5:53:14pm

re: #372 yochanan

If I may, I think making Hitler the target of derision is acceptable. If we can laugh at him, then he is not going to be some form of boogeyman or demon-- but again--only a man. We have to remember that he was a man and that his crimes were committed by men under him. To elevate him to the status of demon makes what he did seem anomalous-- and less likely to happen again.

390 [deleted]  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 5:53:31pm
391 MJ  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 5:53:59pm

Lockerbie convict's release a milestone for Libya

...What would his release mean for relations between the outside world and Libya, a country with vast untapped oil reserves now emerging from decades of international isolation?

BUSINESS OPPORTUNITIES

Many people in Libya expect there will be a link between al Megrahi's release and prospects for British companies in Libya. BP is already a major investor, having committed $1 billion to oil and gas exploration there. British and Libyan officials have not acknowledged a connection between Megrahi and future investment opportunities...

Yes, nothing says as much about modern day Britain then releasing a mass murderer for "Business opportunities.

392 MJ  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 5:54:18pm

re: #391 MJ

Lockerbie convict's release a milestone for Libya

Yes, nothing says as much about modern day Britain then releasing a mass murderer for "Business opportunities.

Link:
[Link: www.reuters.com...]

393 albusteve  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 5:54:36pm

re: #388 yochanan

R.O.M.A or M.S.U.?

I don't know what those mean...sorry

394 Scion9  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 5:54:46pm

re: #349 Sharmuta

He was a republican before he was a progressive.

I know, but that doesn't mean anything. He still called himself a progressive while he was a Republican VP and worked to take the party towards progressive politics. He actually won the primaries to run against Wilson, but was denied the nom by the party powers that be. His supporters split off into their own party. Their politics didn't really change from when they were Republicans although their message may have been less moderated after shedding the label; they just jumped the corrupt Republican ship.

Back in Roosevelt's day the Democrats were more closely associated with what could be called 'conservatism'. Wilson and FDR changed that, along with Republicans becoming the party of Wallstreet and nascent monetarist policies (the glaring exception to that being Hoover obviously). TR was never a Wallstreet Republican like Taft or Harding though, despite being a New Yorker himself.

395 [deleted]  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 5:55:35pm
396 albusteve  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 5:56:10pm

re: #394 Scion9

I know, but that doesn't mean anything. He still called himself a progressive while he was a Republican VP and worked to take the party towards progressive politics. He actually won the primaries to run against Wilson, but was denied the nom by the party powers that be. His supporters split off into their own party. Their politics didn't really change from when they were Republicans although their message may have been less moderated after shedding the label; they just jumped the corrupt Republican ship.

Back in Roosevelt's day the Democrats were more closely associated with what could be called 'conservatism'. Wilson and FDR changed that, along with Republicans becoming the party of Wallstreet and nascent monetarist policies (the glaring exception to that being Hoover obviously). TR was never a Wallstreet Republican like Taft or Harding though, despite being a New Yorker himself.

interesting lessonette...thanks

397 yochanan  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 5:56:16pm

re: #387 SanFranciscoZionist

They are uber libs. often arabs never often Jews all the time.

398 HelloDare  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 5:56:21pm

re: #346 pianobuff

Oh, no... She didn't really say that, did she?

NAIROBI - Secretary of State Hillary Clinton compared Nigeria's corruption and electoral problems with the 2000 Florida presidential election recount during a town hall meeting today in Abuja, Nigeria.

Answering a question about Nigeria's recent election, Clinton said, "In 2000, our presidential election came down to one state where the brother of the man running for President was the governor of the state. So we have our problems too."

She knows all the disputed ballots were recounted by a consortium of newspapers including the LA and NY Times and that Bush would have won if the Supreme Court had voted the other way. This is the same piece of scum that blamed the Vast Right-Wing Conspiracy when she knew the reports about her husband and Lewinsky were true.

Gah!

399 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 5:57:16pm

re: #389 calcajun

If I may, I think making Hitler the target of derision is acceptable. If we can laugh at him, then he is not going to be some form of boogeyman or demon-- but again--only a man. We have to remember that he was a man and that his crimes were committed by men under him. To elevate him to the status of demon makes what he did seem anomalous-- and less likely to happen again.

Mel Brooks was a genius with Hitler spoofs, and South Park did an excellent parody of "Schindler's List" and has a running gag of Cartman as Hitler.

"Heeb" is more into offending Jews than making fun of nazis.

400 albusteve  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 5:57:36pm

re: #398 HelloDare

She knows all the disputed ballots were recounted by a consortium of newspapers including the LA and NY Times and that Bush would have won if the Supreme Court had voted the other way. This is the same piece of scum that blamed the Vast Right-Wing Conspiracy when she knew the reports about her husband and Lewinsky were true.

Gah!

and this hag was actually running for president

401 quickjustice  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 5:57:51pm

re: #386 _RememberTonyC

Only one problem with the logic of the Post article: Employer-sponsored health plans already are regulated by the Feds under ERISA (Labor Department) and the Internal Revenue Code (IRC).

402 yochanan  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 5:58:25pm

re: #393 albusteve

R.O.M.A. right out of my ass
MSU make stuff up

403 calcajun  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 5:59:08pm

re: #395 buzzsawmonkey

There are taste boundaries to be sure. Barr crossed over by a few miles.

I was speaking in general terms-- not meaning to act as an apologist for Barr's shoot.

(BTW, I heard that was her real mustache! Guess she needs either more hormone therapy or Nair)

404 Erik The Red  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 5:59:20pm

Good Evening Lizards.

SEX AFTER DEATH ...

A couple made a deal that whoever died first would come back and inform the other of the afterlife.
Their biggest fear was that there was no afterlife at all.
After a long life together, the husband was the first to die. True to his word, he made the first contact,
" Marion ... Marion "
"Is that you, Bob?"
"Yes, I've come back like we agreed."
"That's wonderful! What's it like?"
"Well, I get up in the morning, I have sex. I have breakfast and then it's off to the golf course ..
I have sex again, bathe in the warm sun and then have sex a couple of more times.
Then I have lunch (you'd be proud - lots of greens) another romp around the golf course,
then pretty much have sex the rest of the afternoon. After supper, it's back to golf course again.
Then it's more sex until late at night. I catch some much needed sleep and then the next day
it starts all over again"
"Oh, Bob you must be in Heaven!"
"Not exactly ... I'm a rabbit on a golf course in Arizona "

405 HelloDare  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 6:00:16pm

re: #391 MJ

Lockerbie convict's release a milestone for Libya

Yes, nothing says as much about modern day Britain then releasing a mass murderer for "Business opportunities.

Hey lets dig up John Wilkes Booth and run him for congress.

406 albusteve  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 6:00:24pm

re: #402 yochanan

R.O.M.A. right out of my ass
MSU make stuff up

yup...I've been enlightened...thanks

407 MarineVet  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 6:00:25pm

re: #172 HoosierHoops

I was with 7th in 29 Palms

408 calcajun  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 6:00:36pm

re: #399 Alouette

Again--I was speaking in broad terms. To say you're lampooning Hitler when you're really passing off antisemitic tripe is offensive.

409 [deleted]  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 6:01:48pm
410 freetoken  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 6:01:49pm

Had a tab open on the Matthews vs. the gun slinger video... Just came back to it to find that, as usual, there are late posters that have rather twisted outlooks on what that key-post is all about.

Some people just don't understand the thread.

411 quickjustice  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 6:02:17pm

re: #394 Scion9

Teddy Roosevelt was a Republican in New York at a time when the GOP was as corrupt as its Democrat counterpart. In those days, "progressive" meant "reformer", as in, get rid of the corruption.

As GOP governor of New York, Roosevelt made life hell for the GOP bosses and their crooked patronage deals. They retaliated by kicking him upstairs to the dead-end job of McKinley's VP. Which worked well until McKinley was assassinated, and Roosevelt became President . . .

412 calcajun  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 6:02:24pm

re: #389 calcajun

PIMF ---MORE likely to happen again.

Damn.

413 albusteve  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 6:02:28pm

the Ring of Fire continues to rumble


[Link: www.foxnews.com...]

414 [deleted]  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 6:02:37pm
415 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 6:02:38pm

re: #399 Alouette

"Heeb" is more into offending Jews than making fun of nazis.

Well, not just Jews. I'm not Jewish, and I found that Barr shoot disgusting and stupid.

416 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 6:03:07pm

re: #404 Erik The Red

At the Gates of Heaven, there were 2 lines.

Line #1 is for all men who suffered from their wives.

Line #2 is for all men who never suffered from their wives.

Line #1 was very long, but there was only one man in Line #2.

He told the admitting angel, "My wife told me to stand in this line."

417 calcajun  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 6:03:42pm

re: #409 buzzsawmonkey

Buzz-- I forgot the sarc tag--didn't think I needed it.//

418 Scion9  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 6:04:01pm

re: #396 albusteve

interesting lessonette...thanks

I'm a 'fan' of Teddy Roosevelt, even though I don't agree with his politics at all. He's simultaneously a icon for modernization through his progressive rhetoric and a total throwback to Jacksonian populism. In my opinion he's probably the most 'larger than life' politician we've had, excluding maybe Jackson and of course Washington himself whose status is probably insurmountable.

Bill Clinton is also a 'fan' from what I understand, although I'm sure he's much more politically simpatico with TR than I am.

419 albusteve  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 6:04:10pm

re: #414 buzzsawmonkey

Yeah, we did so much better, didn't we?

McCain was a notch or so above trailer trash...the Clintons sicken me

420 [deleted]  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 6:04:25pm
421 calcajun  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 6:04:51pm

re: #413 albusteve

Yep. We're gonna die soon. Polar shift, I tell ya.

422 MarineVet  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 6:04:55pm

re: #414 buzzsawmonkey

Of course we got czars ha ha ROFL

423 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 6:05:11pm

re: #413 albusteve

the Ring of Fire continues to rumble

[Link: www.foxnews.com...]

Dude.

424 [deleted]  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 6:05:17pm
425 calcajun  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 6:06:08pm

re: #424 buzzsawmonkey

...with torches and pitchforks.

426 albusteve  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 6:06:13pm

re: #418 Scion9

I'm a 'fan' of Teddy Roosevelt, even though I don't agree with his politics at all. He's simultaneously a icon for modernization through his progressive rhetoric and a total throwback to Jacksonian populism. In my opinion he's probably the most 'larger than life' politician we've had, excluding maybe Jackson and of course Washington himself whose status is probably insurmountable.

Bill Clinton is also a 'fan' from what I understand, although I'm sure he's much more politically simpatico with TR than I am.

I need to find a bio of TR...would you recommend one, if it's the only one I'd ever read?

427 MarineVet  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 6:06:59pm

re: #423 Slumbering Behemoth

OT (as if we are still on it)

Would like to know the percentages of Nancy Peolosi's district..hmm well I am just saying is all :D

428 albusteve  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 6:07:50pm

re: #423 Slumbering Behemoth

Dude.

there's probably a Japanese translation for that

429 freetoken  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 6:07:57pm

re: #413 albusteve

There have been several large quakes off the SE coast of Japan this week:

[Link: earthquake.usgs.gov...]

430 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 6:08:10pm

re: #427 MarineVet

I'm confused. What does that have to do with The Man in Black?

431 That's Glenn Beck to you  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 6:08:24pm

Go ahead.

Bash me.

Down ding me all you want. I will sit here and admire my framed picture of Martin Luther King and think of Selma. Hit me with your fire hoses of down dings and your German Shepherd -like flames.

You can only hurt me, but not the cause I represent.

However, the law firm of Hover & Dunn may just put me out of business. They have served me with a lawsuit for infringing on Dick Vermeil's intellectual property with my on air man-crying.

[sob]

432 quickjustice  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 6:08:39pm

re: #426 albusteve

Edmund Morris wrote the most recent biography of Teddy Roosevelt of which I'm aware:
[Link: www.amazon.com...]

433 Kosh's Shadow  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 6:08:53pm

re: #418 Scion9

Of course, TR ran for president under the Bull Moose party.
Maybe Palin could start the "I shot the bull moose" party?
/purely for humor value; I don't intend to rag on either person

434 yochanan  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 6:09:07pm

re: #426 albusteve

T.R. was a interesting man the NATIONAL PARKS as a idea was founded by him.

435 albusteve  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 6:09:37pm

re: #429 freetoken

There have been several large quakes off the SE coast of Japan this week:

[Link: earthquake.usgs.gov...]

consider if they all go at once...there could be elephants in New Mexico before it's over

436 [deleted]  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 6:10:03pm
437 freetoken  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 6:10:34pm

re: #428 albusteve

"Dude" as a one syllable English word is hard to transliterate into Japanese.

Using Katakana to represent the English sound is impossible.

438 [deleted]  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 6:10:46pm
439 odkin  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 6:10:51pm

Eugenics?

Yes we KHHHAAANNN!!!

440 freetoken  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 6:11:52pm

re: #434 yochanan

T.R. was a interesting man the NATIONAL PARKS as a idea was founded by him.

An idea of TR's which Glenn Beck derides in his latest book.

441 quickjustice  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 6:11:56pm

re: #435 albusteve

Still invested in the waterfront real estate in Arizona? ;-)

442 calcajun  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 6:11:57pm

re: #439 odkin

Eugenics?

Wasn't that the 80's bad with Annie Lennox?//

443 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 6:11:57pm

re: #424 buzzsawmonkey

See? Humor, bringing us all together!

You're an anti-Dentite!

Youtube Video
444 ArmyWife  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 6:11:59pm

Hello! That wasn't crazed tears! That was passion for saving his country!

/I tried to keep a straight face for as long as I could

445 [deleted]  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 6:12:51pm
446 calcajun  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 6:12:55pm

re: #441 quickjustice

Still invested in the waterfront real estate in Arizona? ;-)

I'm banking it's gonna be worse. I'm having several thousand "Surf Denver" t-shirts run off.

447 freetoken  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 6:13:06pm

re: #444 ArmyWife

I thought it was the onions...

448 pianobuff  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 6:13:22pm

AMA be gettin' pissed...

AMA clarifies facts on recent examples highlighting amputation and tonsillectomies

The AMA contacted White House staff last night to again express strong concerns with some recent medical treatment examples used by President Obama. We’ve made it clear that physicians are extremely dedicated and focused—first, foremost and always—on providing care that best serves their patients.

We agree with President Obama on the importance of prevention. However, a recent example used to illustrate his important point was misleading. Surgeons are not paid $30,000 to $50,000 to amputate a diabetic’s foot. Medicare pays a surgeon, on average, from $541.72 to $708.71 for one of two procedures involving a foot amputation. It is possible that the total bill, hospital stay, rehabilitation, prosthesis, etc. may approach the larger amount mentioned.

In the case of tonsillectomies, a patient is referred to a surgeon after medication therapy has proven to be ineffective. Actually, the medical profession itself recognized questions about utilization and appropriateness of tonsillectomies and took action by developing clinical guidelines, which has resulted in a sharp decline in the rate of tonsillectomies.

These types of examples create the impression that physicians are motivated by payment levels rather than what is best for patients. The AMA will continue to stress to our elected leaders that physicians are dedicated to putting patients first and optimizing health care quality.

449 HelloDare  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 6:13:46pm

re: #426 albusteve

I need to find a bio of TR...would you recommend one, if it's the only one I'd ever read?

The Rise of Theodore Roosevelt, by Edmund Morris won the Pulitzer.
The second book in the series Theodore Rex is just about as good. Read them both.

450 albusteve  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 6:14:12pm

re: #438 buzzsawmonkey

Gotta do something now that the feral camels are gone.

yes, that was quite a story...but their genes passed on...we have the elusive camelope down here

451 quickjustice  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 6:14:13pm

re: #440 freetoken

After his wife and mother died the same day in NYC, Teddy Roosevelt left NYC to operate a ranch in North Dakota. He busted out as a rancher, and returned to NYC. During his time living in the West, he saw the Yellowstone area, IIRC. He was an ardent conservationist, as opposed to environmentalist.

452 MJ  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 6:15:16pm

AP source: Obama officials to tour Michigan prison

LANSING, Mich. – Obama administration officials plan on Thursday to tour a soon-to-be-shuttered Michigan state prison considered an option to hold terrorism suspects now detained at Guantanamo Bay in Cuba.


[Link: news.yahoo.com...]

Right. Let's put them close to Detroit...near the largest community of Muslims in the US.
That should work out fine.

453 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 6:15:25pm

re: #440 freetoken

An idea of TR's which Glenn Beck derides in his latest book.

Who doesn't like national parks?

454 Scion9  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 6:15:32pm

re: #433 Kosh's Shadow

Bull Moose is still around actually. They endorsed Obama IIRC.

'steve, I don't have a good bio I can recommend off hand unfortunately. I'm probably moving out of my place soon, and I'll be going through my 'bookshelf' (which is a stack of books in my closet) in the process of packing and I'll take note of what I've got and give you an update.

455 [deleted]  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 6:16:36pm
456 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 6:16:59pm

re: #455 buzzsawmonkey

'Nite, gang.

'Nite, buzzsaw.

457 Ayeless in Ghazi  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 6:17:09pm

Deceptive Deceptions

Shocking "Truthumentary" - who are the shadowy elite that tells the lies the rest of humanity believes?

[Link: www.collegehumor.com...]

h/t Harry's Place

458 MarineVet  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 6:17:17pm

re: #448 pianobuff

and of course AARP is too...since they haven't "officially" sanctioned any of the present bills either!!

459 gearhead  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 6:17:29pm

re: #448 pianobuff

I'm convinced that no one in D.C. on either side of the health care debate really knows what the hell they're talking about. It's all just a big p.r. offensive designed to woo voters next year.

460 albusteve  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 6:17:46pm

TR got his regiment to fight down in Cuba...the President called for volunteers and New Mexican Hispanics flocked to join up...they fought like tigers and TR was very proud of them...years later he visited Albuquerque and rejoined up with a bunch of his old Rough Riders...a big event back then for this dusty old town

461 quickjustice  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 6:17:53pm

re: #448 pianobuff

Obama cut a deal on his health plan with the AMA for their support, so his attacks on doctors seem especially graceless. My brother the doctor says that Obama's examples of doctor "greed" are typical of the perspective of a pediatrician, as opposed to other medical specialities. And Rahm Emanuel's doctor brother is-- wait for it-- a pediatrician.

462 freetoken  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 6:18:01pm

re: #451 quickjustice

He was an ardent conservationist, as opposed to environmentalist.

Others make this type of claim from time to time (not only about TR, but about contemporary issues.)

To me, it is trying to make a distinction where one may not exist. Certainly not for TR's day.

463 albusteve  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 6:18:14pm

re: #449 HelloDare

The Rise of Theodore Roosevelt, by Edmund Morris won the Pulitzer.
The second book in the series Theodore Rex is just about as good. Read them both.

thanks to all...noted

464 MarineVet  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 6:18:51pm

re: #433 Kosh's Shadow

Now there is some really good humour that would have my drinking buddy sarah laughing with you!!!

465 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 6:19:04pm

re: #437 freetoken

I'm guessing what he meant was a Japanese translation of Cash's "Ring of Fire", and for the life of me, I can't find a video.

466 albusteve  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 6:19:27pm

re: #451 quickjustice

After his wife and mother died the same day in NYC, Teddy Roosevelt left NYC to operate a ranch in North Dakota. He busted out as a rancher, and returned to NYC. During his time living in the West, he saw the Yellowstone area, IIRC. He was an ardent conservationist, as opposed to environmentalist.

his park up in N Dakota is gorgeous...very colorful and rugged

467 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 6:19:59pm

re: #445 buzzsawmonkey

I find Seinfeld increasingly unwatchable.

Seinfeld has been off the air for what, ten years?

I like South Park much better.

Family Guy sucks.

468 freetoken  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 6:20:40pm

re: #453 SanFranciscoZionist

I refuse to buy any Glenn Beck books. However, reviews of his latest book include critical evaluation of Beck's historical claims. Some of these reviews have hit on Beck's claims about TR and National Parks. Google will bring you many links.

469 albusteve  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 6:20:49pm

re: #453 SanFranciscoZionist

Who doesn't like national parks?

good grief...I'm speechless

470 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 6:21:07pm

re: #461 quickjustice

Obama cut a deal on his health plan with the AMA for their support, so his attacks on doctors seem especially graceless. My brother the doctor says that Obama's examples of doctor "greed" are typical of the perspective of a pediatrician, as opposed to other medical specialities. And Rahm Emanuel's doctor brother is-- wait for it-- a pediatrician.

Ambulance chasing lawyers are far more greedy than physicians.

471 retief_99  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 6:21:11pm

I am not a big fan of Glen Beck. He does tend to go over the top. I didn't see the crying part of his show but did stumble across the tree diagram. President Obama stated that we should judge him by the people he surrounds himself with in his administration. Beck was showing some of the advisers on the left side of the "tree" root system advising him on health care were amongst the most radical people on the planet. If you don't believe Beck or me read what they have written about their philosophies of how we should redesign our society. It is very scary. These people have the Presidents ear. I have seen some of their writing's and they are similar to science fiction depictions of a inhuman controlling government controlling every aspect of the peoples lives. Don't take my word for it. Find out for yourself.

472 HelloDare  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 6:22:05pm

re: #451 quickjustice

After his wife and mother died the same day in NYC, Teddy Roosevelt left NYC to operate a ranch in North Dakota. He busted out as a rancher, and returned to NYC. During his time living in the West, he saw the Yellowstone area, IIRC. He was an ardent conservationist, as opposed to environmentalist.

In Edmund Morris's book, on TR, the first one I believe, there's a list of animals Roosevelt killed on a hunting trip in the states. It's hilarious. The list keeps going and going. Sounds like something John Cleese would read in a Python routine.

473 quickjustice  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 6:22:08pm

re: #462 freetoken

Jim Buckley drew the distinction between "conservation" and "environmentalism" when he ran for the U.S. Senate in New York as a conservative. He claimed to be a conservationist, but not an environmentalist. He was elected, and later authored the Federal Water Pollution Control Act.

474 albusteve  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 6:22:47pm

re: #465 Slumbering Behemoth

I'm guessing what he meant was a Japanese translation of Cash's "Ring of Fire", and for the life of me, I can't find a video.

yes, I got behind here, mixing cocktails takes a few minutes

475 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 6:23:28pm

re: #471 retief_99

I am not a big fan of Glen Beck. He does tend to go over the top. I didn't see the crying part of his show but did stumble across the tree diagram. President Obama stated that we should judge him by the people he surrounds himself with in his administration. Beck was showing some of the advisers on the left side of the "tree" root system advising him on health care were amongst the most radical people on the planet. If you don't believe Beck or me read what they have written about their philosophies of how we should redesign our society. It is very scary. These people have the Presidents ear. I have seen some of their writing's and they are similar to science fiction depictions of a inhuman controlling government controlling every aspect of the peoples lives. Don't take my word for it. Find out for yourself.

Zombie posted at least some of that, and we discussed it here. Difference is, there was no crying.

476 MarineVet  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 6:23:48pm

re: #471 retief_99

Yes his antics can be over the top but it doesn't mean he is wrong either...very scarey research...

477 quickjustice  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 6:24:16pm

re: #470 Alouette

I represent doctors, and I have them in my family. I also love most lawyers, although the trial types can be trying (pun intended). I know what you mean.

478 retief_99  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 6:24:17pm

re: #459 gearhead

Go to Thomas.gov and search for the bill HR3200 and download it and read it. I have started and there are some very scary things in it.

479 albusteve  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 6:24:52pm

re: #472 HelloDare

In Edmund Morris's book, on TR, the first one I believe, there's a list of animals Roosevelt killed on a hunting trip in the states. It's hilarious. The list keeps going and going. Sounds like something John Cleese would read in a Python routine.

wasn't the giant elephant at the Smithsonian natural history museum shot by TR...it's gigantic...right in the rotunda as you walk in

480 quickjustice  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 6:26:16pm

re: #472 HelloDare

Roosevelt's House, Sagamore Hill, in Oyster Bay, N.Y., has many of those animal trophies to this day.

481 MarineVet  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 6:27:58pm

re: #459 gearhead

Not wooing me making me want to wash my hands from ALL of them and force them to have term limits!!!

482 Scion9  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 6:28:35pm

re: #462 freetoken

Conservation movement:


Some say the conservation movement is part of the broader and more far-reaching environmental movement, while others argue that they differ both in ideology and practice. Chiefly in the United States, conservation is seen as differing from environmentalism in that it aims to preserve natural resources expressly for their continued sustainable use by humans.

That might be picking some nits, I dunno. I'm not a part of either group, so I'm likely prone to miss some nuances.

483 albusteve  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 6:28:48pm

re: #480 quickjustice

Roosevelt's House, Sagamore Hill, in Oyster Bay, N.Y., has many of those animal trophies to this day.

back then Real Men killed anything that moved...something spiritual about it...Wilbur Smith writes alot about the big hunt in his African adventure novels

484 freetoken  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 6:29:16pm

re: #473 quickjustice

That was well after TR's time.

How was Buckley's claim more than political posturing? In other words, was that just a way for Buckley to separate himself from his opponent(s)?

485 MarineVet  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 6:29:25pm

re: #483 albusteve


Good eating :D

486 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 6:29:50pm

re: #471 retief_99

The U.S. is a Republic, not a monarchy. The POTUS does not have ultimate power or ultimate authority. So Obama can surround himself with as many crazy, scary, crack-pot advisers as he wants, but he does not have a kings power to make his word law.

I am not saying we shouldn't be watchful, or concerned. I'm just saying we don't need to panic over some Libertarian's (Beck's) kooky interpretation of things as they are.

487 MarineVet  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 6:31:49pm

re: #486 Slumbering Behemoth


Ahhh well look at the "special powers of oversight" the Presidential appointed czars have...hmmm not vetted by congress but with over reaching authority above members that have passed through congress all in the name of "change" huh?

488 freetoken  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 6:32:21pm

re: #482 Scion9

It seems to me to be very fine nits.

Sometimes there is a distinction made by religious people, who see "environmentalism" as some sort of paganism, and not wanting to be pagans said religious folk try to come up with other terms.

There is a practical matter of "for human use" and "not for human use only" and "not for human use." Small distinctions that some people like to emphasize, but to me seem to be too minor in practical matters.

489 quickjustice  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 6:32:23pm

re: #483 albusteve

More basic than that-- big game hunting was a blood sport reserved for the aristocracy. Americans were eager to prove their manliness by engaging in it.

490 MarineVet  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 6:33:06pm

re: #489 quickjustice


An our marksmanship was unequaled...

491 albusteve  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 6:33:09pm

re: #485 MarineVet

Good eating :D

elephant meat was prized in old Africa...very difficult to run down and kill...then came the white man with his H&H .470's

492 MarineVet  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 6:33:56pm

[Ed. note: this account has been blocked.]

re: #491 albusteve

Oh yes those pesky whities ha ha...Rifle out does a spear anyday!

493 albusteve  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 6:36:02pm

re: #489 quickjustice

More basic than that-- big game hunting was a blood sport reserved for the aristocracy. Americans were eager to prove their manliness by engaging in it.

yes, the Victorian safari's etc...some high adventure and the direct result were the vast preserves that exist to this day...for what's left of the big game...there is plenty of heart break in that story

494 retief_99  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 6:36:26pm

re: #486 Slumbering Behemoth

I personally don't trust politicians of either stripe. President Obama's party does have control of both houses of congress. There is no balance at this moment, I personally prefer the congress and the president be well split and fight like cats and dogs over every law. Right now the Democrats can pass any thing they want, will Obama sign sign whatever they pass? Who knows? The only recourse after that is for the Supreme Court to determine if the law is constitutional.

495 quickjustice  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 6:37:55pm

re: #484 freetoken

Fair question. Both of Buckley's opponents were liberals-- one a Democrat, one a Republican. Conservationist is the older term, with a well-established meaning. It implies conserving natural resources, as opposed to wasting or spoiling them. Ducks Unlimited, a hunters' organization, would be an example. In other words, hunters can be conservationists, because they want plenty of ducks to hunt. So increasing the duck population is in their interests. Sportsmen are conservationists for this reason. Buckley put himself on the side of the sportsmen.

An environmentalist would oppose hunting or fishing entirely on philosophical grounds. They're opposed to blood sports, and to sportsmen.

496 [deleted]  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 6:38:10pm
497 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 6:39:49pm

re: #494 retief_99

Right now the Democrats can pass any thing they want, will Obama sign sign whatever they pass?

They could, they have the numbers, but it doesn't really seem like it will turn out that way.

I mean, if the Dems were in lockstep agreement over everything, the health care bill would have already been passed prior to the August break.

498 Charles Johnson  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 6:40:20pm

re: #496 MarineVet

You won't be back after that comment.

499 quickjustice  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 6:40:32pm

re: #490 MarineVet

That always was true, although earlier American marksmanship put food on the table. Alvin York comes to mind. The best motion picture depiction of this is Daniel Day-Lewis's "Last of the Mohicans", a favorite of mine.

500 albusteve  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 6:41:29pm

re: #499 quickjustice

That always was true, although earlier American marksmanship put food on the table. Alvin York comes to mind. The best motion picture depiction of this is Daniel Day-Lewis's "Last of the Mohicans", a favorite of mine.

terrific movie...in every way...the rescue scene at the end is one for the books imo

501 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 6:41:42pm

re: #487 MarineVet

Yes, huh? I am not exactly sure how much "over reaching authority" these czars have. Can they make laws?

502 Lynn B.  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 6:42:47pm

re: #160 buzzsawmonkey

I assume the first is about eating meat; what is "Eternal Treblinka" about? Meat, or fur?

Actually, to be fair, it's the name of a short story by Isaac Bashevis Singer, who used it to describe the plight of research animals. PETA and other "animal rights activists" just co-opted it.

503 quickjustice  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 6:43:24pm

re: #500 albusteve

Filmed in the Great Smokey Mountains National Park on the Tennessee-North Carolina border. I've backpacked through the area depicted in the motion picture.

504 retief_99  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 6:45:02pm

re: #497 Slumbering Behemoth

The main reason they have shown reluctance now is because of constituent backlash. Nothing scares a politician more that thinking they may have to look for a real job the day after election day. They are getting tremendous amounts of flack from back home and not just at town hall meetings.

505 albusteve  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 6:45:44pm

re: #503 quickjustice

Filmed in the Great Smokey Mountains National Park on the Tennessee-North Carolina border. I've backpacked through the area depicted in the motion picture.

New York was much larger then

506 quickjustice  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 6:46:47pm

re: #505 albusteve

The Lake George region of New York was the frontier back then.

507 jaunte  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 6:46:58pm

re: #502 Lynn B.

Actually, to be fair, it's the name of a short story by Isaac Bashevis Singer, who used it to describe the plight of research animals. PETA and other "animal rights activists" just co-opted it.

I disagree with both Singer and PETA, but he was a committed vegetarian, who would have encouraged PETA to use his words. Scroll down for the section on vegetarianism:
[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

508 quickjustice  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 6:47:55pm

A bit of a stretch, but if you understand "Last of the Mohicans" you understand the frontier ethic. You also understand Alaskans.

509 quickjustice  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 6:51:01pm

RIP Thread?

510 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 6:54:44pm

re: #492 MarineVet

You must have forgotten about that time when Zulu spears and clubs completely massacred British soldiers and their state of the art rifles, eh?

511 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 6:56:53pm

re: #498 Charles

Bummer, I was waiting for it to respond to my post about Glenn Beck's STRONG Libertarian values. Probably wouldn't have anyway. Oh well.

512 Charles Johnson  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 6:59:06pm

A "spear-chucker" post at LGF. Isn't that special. Imagine my surprise that it comes from a Glenn Beck supporter.

In case it isn't obvious yet, posting a comment like that is grounds for instantaneous loss of your LGF account.

513 jaunte  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 6:59:42pm

"Simple folks never sense the devil's presence, not even when his hands are on their throats."
Goethe, Faust

514 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 7:00:04pm

re: #504 retief_99

I am sure that is a part of it, whether or not it is the main reason is debatable.

Another part, as I noted above, is that the Dems do not march in lockstep on every issue. If they did, as I said above, they would have already passed the health care bill.

515 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 7:01:45pm

re: #512 Charles

I agree with that. I sure hope you don't see my 510 as that kind of comment.

516 walksatnight  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 7:03:58pm

Jeepers Creepers what the hell was that? I feel like I need a shower just from watching it.

A year or two ago I would catch some portion of Beck's CNN once in a while. He seemed pretty normal then - either I happened to catch some rare lucidity or he's gone batty since then. If he hasn't gone batty then the only thing I can think of is that he is going after the Alex Jones market. Who would want that?

517 Spare O'Lake  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 7:24:47pm

Late to the thread.
If this is typical of Beck's TV show, I give him about another month or two until he has a breakdown on air or his show is cancelled.

518 mich-again  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 7:26:02pm

re: #517 Spare O'Lake

Late to the thread.
If this is typical of Beck's TV show, I give him about another month or two until he has a breakdown on air or his show is cancelled.

He just did. We'll see about the next part. Probably not till the ratings dip.

519 katemaclaren  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 7:28:16pm

I have listened and watched Beck's progrms--and he does act nutty--however, he has been right about an awful lot of things--including the economic collapse he predicted about 18 months ago. I am glad someone has the courage to list the czars--who they are and what their backgrounds are. I, for one, am going to keep checking up on them. As I said, I know he acts like a nut, but I don't think he is.

520 Bronco Bama FTW  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 7:29:53pm

Saw this today and I'm not surprised.

[Link: rawstory.com - More advertisers pull support for Glenn Beck]

Web site ColorofChange.org, reacting to a long line of racial comments about President Barack Obama, has managed thus far to knock loose from Beck's fold Lawyers.com, Procter & Gamble, Progressive, S.C. Johnson, GEICO, Men's Wearhouse and, just this morning, Sargento.
521 katemaclaren  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 7:32:18pm

re: #471 retief_99

I agree.

522 Irenicum  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 7:38:50pm

re: #519 katemaclaren

I know he acts like a nut BECAUSE he IS a nut!!!

523 Irenicum  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 7:42:18pm

re: #517 Spare O'Lake

From your lips to God's ears!

524 American Sabra  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 7:46:30pm

re: #507 jaunte

I disagree with both Singer and PETA, but he was a committed vegetarian, who would have encouraged PETA to use his words. Scroll down for the section on vegetarianism:
[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

If I could add a thought...

Nothing wrong with vegetarianism, if you can make it work. I was for many years, but developed food allergies and bouts of anemia so I stopped.

PETA, however, has always been less than reputable with the propaganda. They were bad from the start, but with the advent of the internet, they got a larger audience, wider platform and more "creative."

I joined PETA in the early 80s after I saw some brochures of mutilated cows. I was a member a few years until they started a campaign to raise money for some fellow who was jailed for stealing minks off a farm. Something like that, but it was a crazy story that made no sense. I smelled something fishy (lol) and canceled my membership.

Years later I found out that those pictures of mutilated cows were from slaughterhouses in S. America, not the U.S.

525 Bronco Bama FTW  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 7:50:02pm

PETA folks scare me. We love animals so we support the ASPCA with the hope that they won't need to throw paint on anyone to save some cats and dogs.

526 hous bin pharteen  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 7:57:49pm

I think we have to watch Olberman and Rachel Madow now.

527 American Sabra  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 8:02:01pm

re: #519 katemaclaren

I have listened and watched Beck's progrms--and he does act nutty--however, he has been right about an awful lot of things--including the economic collapse he predicted about 18 months ago. I am glad someone has the courage to list the czars--who they are and what their backgrounds are. I, for one, am going to keep checking up on them. As I said, I know he acts like a nut, but I don't think he is.

That was no prediction. The economy has been going south for at least 2 years it's just that most conservatives refused to acknowledge it and blamed the media for hyperventilating about it.

Beck is so nutty, he's almost in a class to himself.

528 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 8:02:58pm

re: #522 Irenicum

I know he acts like a nut BECAUSE he IS a nut!!!

Quite Concur.

529 Roger  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 8:02:59pm

I didn't know Beck's daughter has cerebral palsy. Very tough disease. Information goes in through the senses quickly, the mind is sharp but then there is total frustration in responding back to anyone. Takes a lot of patience but it is worth connecting with those who suffer with this physical frustration. They can tell when people are too impatient.

530 Cato the Elder  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 8:08:39pm

Did anyone else pick up on the tone in which the words "public health" were spoken in Beck's little "I'm not calling them Nazis, but don't you think they're Nazis?" video mashup?

As if the entire field of public health were somehow sinister and tainted because of the dark history of eugenics. After all, it uses the word "public", and any sane person knows that's just another code word for sociafascistcommunyleftocratic gun control, abortion, compulsory atheism and grannynasia.

531 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 8:09:44pm

re: #526 hous bin pharteen

Knock yourself out. Personally, I do not feel the need to glom onto and adore any squawking heads. Enjoy your Olbermann.

532 tradewind  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 8:12:45pm

re: #526 hous bin pharteen

Keith Olbermann?
World's
Worst.
Person.

533 ~Fianna  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 8:13:57pm

re: #176 nonic

What is coming is a 3-tier system. Top tier, elites and very wealthy (who can pay for their own) and conspicuously talented people such as Stephen Hawking -- they will get the best care.

Middle tier, the vast middle-class, tax-paying public who will be supporting the system for the poor -- they will get basic care and rationed advanced care.

Bottom tier, the handicapped, too young, too old, too expensive, dementia patients -- they will get rationed basic care. And, yes, they WILL die from it.

There will be a lot of surprises for a lot of people when this all goes into effect. AND, I predict, civil unrest that will make the current town hall protests a fond memory of a gentle past.

You realize that this is exactly what's happening right now, yes?

Go to a public hospital... go up to their geriatric psych ward (or their general populace psych ward for that matter)
. I've unfortunately visited a family member there. It was hellish and frightening... but since psych care isn't life threatening, and she was a year too young for medicare, no private hospital would take her, even with her assets.

My mother in law is a prime reason why I think we need health reform in the US. She worked all her life at a professional and well-paying job but had to take early retirement because my father in law was diagnosed with MS and needed care, so she stayed home. Of course, when she left work and Mike was disabled, she lost her employer health insurance (fortunately, he had VA benefits, so he was covered.). She priced private policies, but for a woman with bipolar disorder who is 60 years old, premiums ranged between 3 and 5 thousand dollars a month, so she went on the hope plan - hope I don't get sick, hope I don't get in to an accident, hope that I'll be okay until Medicare kicks in at 65... she wasn't lucky.

534 hous bin pharteen  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 8:16:36pm

re: #531 Slumbering Behemoth

He must be great, because no one ever bitches about him.

535 tradewind  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 8:17:01pm

re: #530 Cato the Elder

Probably because in many areas, Public Health has become synonymous with showing ten year olds how to roll a condom onto a cucumber, and when that fails, steering them towards an abortion sans parental notification.
Originally, it was the wonderful face of polio shots and visiting nurses. Now, not so much.

536 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 8:18:52pm

re: #534 hous bin pharteen

He must be great, because no one ever bitches about him.

You don't. You even try to suggest we should watch him. You can have him to yourself.

537 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 8:20:09pm

re: #535 tradewind

Probably because in many areas, Public Health has become synonymous with showing ten year olds how to roll a condom onto a cucumber, and when that fails, steering them towards an abortion sans parental notification.
Originally, it was the wonderful face of polio shots and visiting nurses. Now, not so much.

Exactly. When public health moved into sexual matters, it became part of the Culture War, with all the baggage that implies.

538 Bronco Bama FTW  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 8:20:29pm

re: #535 tradewind

Probably because in many areas, Public Health has become synonymous with showing ten year olds how to roll a condom onto a cucumber, and when that fails, steering them towards an abortion sans parental notification.
Originally, it was the wonderful face of polio shots and visiting nurses. Now, not so much.

As a parent I prefer the above to not telling my kid anything, having her sign an abstinence pledge and when that fails, deny her an abortion and force her to have a baby at 14.

Health and Safety. Health and Safety.

539 tradewind  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 8:27:40pm

re: #538 Locker
Well of course...
Then as a parent, be one and make sure your child receives the information and guidance that you want him or her to have,( when you , who know them best, know they are ready)... not someone else's ideas that may be very counterproductive to what you are trying to teach.
My children's formal introduction to sexuality, the correct information, and how to relate it to their lives, was far too important for me to delegate.
But that's just me. Some people may prefer to play the teacher lotto and hope they get a winner.

540 Cato the Elder  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 8:29:10pm

re: #533 ~Fianna

You realize that this is exactly what's happening right now, yes?

Go to a public hospital... go up to their geriatric psych ward (or their general populace psych ward for that matter)
. I've unfortunately visited a family member there. It was hellish and frightening... but since psych care isn't life threatening, and she was a year too young for medicare, no private hospital would take her, even with her assets.

My mother in law is a prime reason why I think we need health reform in the US. She worked all her life at a professional and well-paying job but had to take early retirement because my father in law was diagnosed with MS and needed care, so she stayed home. Of course, when she left work and Mike was disabled, she lost her employer health insurance (fortunately, he had VA benefits, so he was covered.). She priced private policies, but for a woman with bipolar disorder who is 60 years old, premiums ranged between 3 and 5 thousand dollars a month, so she went on the hope plan - hope I don't get sick, hope I don't get in to an accident, hope that I'll be okay until Medicare kicks in at 65... she wasn't lucky.

[channeling Beck]
How dare your MIL not have taken enough financial care of herself to afford three to five thousand dollars a month for insurance? It's her own damn fault. I should pay for her lack of foresight? Personal responsibility!

541 Bronco Bama FTW  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 8:33:05pm

re: #539 tradewind

Well of course...
Then as a parent, be one and make sure your child receives the information and guidance that you want him or her to have,( when you , who know them best, know they are ready)... not someone else's ideas that may be very counterproductive to what you are trying to teach.
My children's formal introduction to sexuality, the correct information, and how to relate it to their lives, was far too important for me to delegate.
But that's just me. Some people may prefer to play the teacher lotto and hope they get a winner.

I agree completely. However not every family is like yours or mine. Some families don't care about their children at all. Other folks have posted in threads about how they don't care for those types of people. Personally, I care, for better or for worse. For these children I welcome the guidance and as a parent who does care, I can validate and discuss the topics no matter the source.

542 Ramona  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 8:34:47pm

re: #13 JacksonTn

I cannot remember things getting this bad before


Nor can I. And I've been around a long time. (no, I won't tell you how long, hush up you whippersnap)
It is scary, it's very frightening. What does one do about it? What can I/we do about it?

543 ~Fianna  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 8:35:09pm

re: #540 Cato the Elder

[channeling Beck]
How dare your MIL not have taken enough financial care of herself to afford three to five thousand dollars a month for insurance? It's her own damn fault. I should pay for her lack of foresight? Personal responsibility!

I really want the health insurance that all these protesters seem to have. It must be great. I wonder which company gives such great and affordable benefits... by the way, how many of them look over 65? Isn't Medicare that socialism stuff with the government paying the doctors?

Damn, it! We'd better close down Medicare and Medicaid for the good of the Republic!

544 [deleted]  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 8:35:14pm
545 Ramona  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 8:36:33pm

re: #18 buzzsawmonkey

Th

is is false on its face.


He's never let facts get in his way before.

546 Bronco Bama FTW  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 8:36:50pm

re: #544 toomanysnax

Didn't learn anything from these 535 comments.

Well I learned something from your individual comment. Perhaps learning is directly related to the energy expended by the student in actually seeking knowledge.

547 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 8:37:04pm

re: #544 toomanysnax

Didn't learn anything from these 535 comments.

Well, as my teachers back in the day used to say about 'learning', "You get out of it what you put into it".

548 DrNaughty  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 8:37:09pm

re: #543 ~Fianna

I really want the health insurance that all these protesters seem to have. It must be great. I wonder which company gives such great and affordable benefits... by the way, how many of them look over 65? Isn't Medicare that socialism stuff with the government paying the doctors?

Damn, it! We'd better close down Medicare and Medicaid for the good of the Republic!

I strongly suspect that if Obama simply offered Medicaid benefits to those who are registered as unemployed or can document that their employer doesn't offer them health insurance, that the cost of this would be far, far less than the scheme that he is trying to sell the American people

549 Roger  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 8:38:27pm

re: #544 toomanysnax

not even 529?

550 Ramona  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 8:38:29pm

re: #40 MarineVet

More a fan club of facts, reason and rationality.

551 hous bin pharteen  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 8:38:38pm

re: #536 Slumbering Behemoth

Fox News does not agree with other news agencies. Obama himself has been bitching about them allot.
Their going to make The One mad.

Ever notice radio stations have been up in arms about new government taxing and wanting control over radio stations? And I am NOT talking about conservative talk radio. It has been Rock and Roll stations.
Nothing to worry about. Nothing to see here.
Move along.

552 DrNaughty  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 8:43:15pm

re: #551 hous bin pharteen

Fox News does not agree with other news agencies. Obama himself has been bitching about them allot.
Their going to make The One mad.

Ever notice radio stations have been up in arms about new government taxing and wanting control over radio stations? And I am NOT talking about conservative talk radio. It has been Rock and Roll stations.
Nothing to worry about. Nothing to see here.
Move along.

Obama hates to be criticized because he knows what is best for all of us...

(/saracasm off)

553 Cato the Elder  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 8:45:22pm

And if someone can't afford to go to college, let him build his own!re: #550 Ramona

More a fan club of facts, reason and rationality.

MarineVet imploded later in the thread, and is now in outer darkness.

Saw that coming.

554 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 8:45:38pm

re: #544 toomanysnax

Didn't learn anything from these 535 comments.

GAZE

555 Cato the Elder  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 8:47:05pm

re: #544 toomanysnax

Didn't learn anything from these 535 comments.

toolittlebrainz?

556 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 8:47:06pm

re: #553 Cato the Elder

And if someone can't afford to go to college, let him build his own!

MarineVet imploded later in the thread, and is now in outer darkness the stalker blog.

Saw that coming.

slightly improved

557 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 8:47:18pm

re: #555 Cato the Elder

toolittlebrainz?

LOL.

558 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 8:48:07pm

re: #551 hous bin pharteen

What does that have to do with you pimping Olbermann's show here?

559 Charles Johnson  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 8:49:37pm

And so goes another meltdown.

560 DrNaughty  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 8:54:10pm

re: #544 toomanysnax

Didn't learn anything from these 535 comments.

You can bring a horse to water I suppose...

561 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 8:54:38pm

re: #559 Charles

And so goes another meltdown.

His account isn't listing as blocked. Not criticizing you, just noting.

562 Ayeless in Ghazi  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 8:55:50pm

re: #530 Cato the Elder

Did anyone else pick up on the tone in which the words "public health" were spoken in Beck's little "I'm not calling them Nazis, but don't you think they're Nazis?" video mashup?

As if the entire field of public health were somehow sinister and tainted because of the dark history of eugenics. After all, it uses the word "public", and any sane person knows that's just another code word for sociafascistcommunyleftocratic gun control, abortion, compulsory atheism and grannynasia.

Favourited.

563 Bronco Bama FTW  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 8:59:18pm

re: #558 Slumbering Behemoth

What does that have to do with you pimping Olbermann's show here?

I would pimp Bill Moyer's Journal if I was going to pimp anything. In fact if I were the one of the Golden Girls I'd be sending him perfume scented letters and hotel keys.

564 Roger  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 9:01:09pm

re: #558 Slumbering Behemoth

That is not what he was doing. Look at hous bin pharteen's info...

565 calcajun  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 9:03:05pm

re: #542 Ramona

Nor can I. And I've been around a long time. (no, I won't tell you how long, hush up you whippersnap)
It is scary, it's very frightening. What does one do about it? What can I/we do about it?

I have a question for those who remember the early 60's. Wasn't there the same sort of fear and fear mongering going on then. Were there were more right--wing groups reacting to JFK's policies than left groups?

566 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 9:04:23pm

re: #563 Locker

Well, the pharter wasn't actually trying to pimp Olbermann, but was using irrational child logic to present a false dichotomy, i.e. if you criticize Beck, then you must obviously love Olbermann.

I was just trying to get the pharter to say it out-right so I could have the opportunity to tell it it's argument doesn't come anywhere close to rational thinking.

567 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 9:07:26pm

re: #564 Roger

That is not what he was doing. Look at hous bin pharteen's info...

I know, I was just trying to get the pharter to say out-right what s/he thought s/he was implying on the sly.

568 Ramona  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 9:10:24pm

re: #436 buzzsawmonkey

I shot the bull moose

But I did not get the Deputy (or the VPship)

569 Bronco Bama FTW  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 9:12:20pm

re: #566 Slumbering Behemoth

All good man I was just using it as an opportunity to say I love Bill Moyers. That guy seems kind of screwy so I figure you knew what you were talking about. Not saying he's a bad guy, I just can't follow what he's saying... like at all.

570 tradewind  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 9:17:20pm

re: #556 Dark_Falcon

Just got this mental picture of ' the stalker blog 'as one of those drain strainer thingys that catch the hair and soap goo as the water swirls out of your shower...
(There's really a stalker blog for LGF posters who freak out... or a joke)?

571 retief_99  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 9:17:59pm

Anyone who is on face book may want to read Sarah Palin's latest discussion about "death panels".

572 Ramona  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 9:18:14pm

re: #526 hous bin pharteen

LOL

573 Mosse  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 9:19:09pm

re: #18 buzzsawmonkey

Though Beck got the years wrong, the Tiergartenstrasse-4 (T-4) "mercy killings" of the "incurably ill, physically or mentally disabled, emotionally distraught, and elderly people" occurred in Germany, beginning in 1939. The T-4 program was the "dress rehearsal" for subsequent killings and they were the issue that Bishop Galen wrote his famous sermon about, for which he was taken by the Gestapo and killed. The T-4 program was a central element to the development of the racial extermination that became the Holocaust. Take a look at my postings of the articles by Sunstein and Ezekiel, as well as the HR 3200 language that is of concern.
See [Link: isurvived.org...] for a short description of T-4. This is a Holocaust survivors' site.

574 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 9:23:11pm

re: #570 tradewind

It's real, and it's a joke. Like obsessive ex-girlfriends, they can't stop talking about how much they hate LGF now that they've been dumped.

575 Cato the Elder  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 9:24:32pm

re: #573 Mosse

Though Beck got the years wrong, the Tiergartenstrasse-4 (T-4) "mercy killings" of the "incurably ill, physically or mentally disabled, emotionally distraught, and elderly people" occurred in Germany, beginning in 1939. The T-4 program was the "dress rehearsal" for subsequent killings and they were the issue that Bishop Galen wrote his famous sermon about, for which he was taken by the Gestapo and killed. The T-4 program was a central element to the development of the racial extermination that became the Holocaust. Take a look at my postings of the articles by Sunstein and Ezekiel, as well as the HR 3200 language that is of concern.
See [Link: isurvived.org...] for a short description of T-4. This is a Holocaust survivors' site.

All true.

And this is relevant to our national debate over health care how, exactly?

576 Silvergirl  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 9:26:01pm

re: #566 Slumbering Behemoth

Well, the pharter wasn't actually trying to pimp Olbermann, but was using irrational child logic to present a false dichotomy, i.e. if you criticize Beck, then you must obviously love Olbermann.

I was just trying to get the pharter to say it out-right so I could have the opportunity to tell it it's argument doesn't come anywhere close to rational thinking.

My first read of it was he meant that after watching Beck, a person should go to the other end of the craziness and watch Keith and Rachel so you would come up somewhere in the middle. Though it doesn't work that way; you're just listening to three people who are way out there. After seeing the big negative number and the blocked account, I figured nobody else saw it the way I did.

577 doubter4444  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 9:26:58pm

re: #553 Cato the Elder

And if someone can't afford to go to college, let him build his own!

MarineVet imploded later in the thread, and is now in outer darkness.

Saw that coming.

And as I said, I way earlier, I don't want people like that claiming to defend my right to free speech; his view of free speech is to denigrate and trash any that does not fit in his world view, but he'll say god bless America as he smothers any view but his own.
And he wraps himself in the flag.

578 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 9:31:21pm

re: #570 tradewind

Just got this mental picture of ' the stalker blog 'as one of those drain strainer thingys that catch the hair and soap goo as the water swirls out of your shower...
(There's really a stalker blog for LGF posters who freak out... or a joke)?

It's called LGF 2.0. It is run by a banne dposter whose nic is "Rodan". I've looking there a handful of times and the hate there is stunning. I'm not the best known poster by a good reason but there is at least one thread devoted to mocking a post of mine, while another post was held up as an example of how subservient to Charles I supposedly am. The site is a cesspool of hate and foolishness.

579 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 9:31:32pm

re: #576 Silvergirl

I could see how you might think that, but that isn't the case. I guess you'd have to be familiar with it's other comments.

580 Sharmuta  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 9:36:04pm

re: #578 Dark_Falcon

The site is a cesspool of hate and foolishness.

I would add "psychotic" as a modifier.

581 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 9:36:24pm

re: #580 Sharmuta

I would add "psychotic" as a modifier.

That fits as well.

582 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 9:37:49pm

re: #578 Dark_Falcon

It's called LGF 2.0. It is run by a banned poster whose nic is "Rodan". I've looking there a handful of times and the hate there is stunning. I'm not the best known poster by a good reason but there is at least one thread devoted to mocking a post of mine, while another post was held up as an example of how subservient to Charles I supposedly am. The site is a cesspool of hate, psychosis, and foolishness.

PIMF and amended per Sharmuta

583 papajohn  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 9:37:58pm

This is re: #4 Gus 802

That's funny. I was getting a haircut today and while BS'ing with the lady cutting my hair we got on the subject of the Cash for Clunkers deal and she heard that the government can monitor your computer if you visit the website and it says so on the legal disclaimer.

Guess who she heard that from? Yup. Maybe you guys are right, I used to like Glen Beck but he is just promoting ignorance and tabloid journalism. But then again, what cable news show doesn't?

584 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 9:43:12pm

re: #578 Dark_Falcon

It's called LGF 2.0. It is run by a banned poster whose nic is "Rodan". I've looked in there a handful of times and the hate there is stunning. I'm not the best known poster by a good margin but there is at least one thread devoted to mocking a post of mine, while another post was held up as an example of how subservient to Charles I supposedly am. The site is a cesspool of hate, psychosis, and foolishness.

final PIMF alterations.

585 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 9:46:09pm

re: #583 papajohn

My outlook: If it's on TV, there's 99% chance that it's bullshit.

The other 1% is just fiction.

586 irish rose  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 10:22:18pm

re: #578 Dark_Falcon

It's called LGF 2.0. It is run by a banned poster whose nic is "Rodan". I've looked in there a handful of times and the hate there is stunning. I'm not the best known poster by a good margin but there is at least one thread devoted to mocking a post of mine, while another post was held up as an example of how subservient to Charles I supposedly am. The site is a cesspool of hate, psychosis, and foolishness.

The blog owner at 2.0 is Rick Martinez, aka "Rodan". He's a career psychotic who traffics in hatred, lies and slander. He claims that he is a former Latin King, and frequently makes violent comments and threats. He's a malignant narcissist who has bragged publicly about bringing large blogs like LGF and Think Progress down single-handedly. Also known as "Trajan 75", he has set up and owned at least five separate hate sites. He's a total nutcase.

587 mosse  Wed, Aug 12, 2009 11:05:41pm

re: #575 Cato the Elder

See my recent postings of the Sunstein and Emanuel articles, and the language used in HR 3200. Also see my postings, tonight, on the T-4 program and American eugenicist, Margaret Sanger.

It is of interest to review the work of Vogt, Ramsey, and Fletcher that are referenced in Science Czar, John Holdren's work, and to examine the publications of Peter Singer. The peculiarity of Obama's choice of Holdren and Singer for positions determining science policy, and Obama's reliance on the interpretations of Cass Sunstein are all sources of legitimate concern.

588 Zorro  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 2:09:05am

re: #587 mosse

See my recent postings of the Sunstein and Emanuel articles, and the language used in HR 3200. Also see my postings, tonight, on the T-4 program and American eugenicist, Margaret Sanger.

It is of interest to review the work of Vogt, Ramsey, and Fletcher that are referenced in Science Czar, John Holdren's work, and to examine the publications of Peter Singer. The peculiarity of Obama's choice of Holdren and Singer for positions determining science policy, and Obama's reliance on the interpretations of Cass Sunstein are all sources of legitimate concern.

And without Glenn Beck most people would have no knowledge of any of this. But since Glenn Beck cries openly for his family and country, we must discount his message, for surly he is a nut. The fact that he talks about the Constitution and the ideas of the framers certainly has no value. After all everyones talking about that stuff on TV. That he is able to reach more people with this than all his detractors combined must be set aside as foolishness, because the cool kids don't get it. We have generations out there that have been taught that the framers were just old white slave owners. To these people Glenn Beck could be the only path to Conservative or Libertarian ideas. But he cries for his family and country so he must be marginalized. Just like the left does to this web-site. Maybe eating our own isn't such a good idea.

589 freetoken  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 2:22:41am

re: #588 Zorro

But since Glenn Beck cries openly for his family and country, we must discount his message, for surly he is a nut.

Glenn Beck is a "nut" because he is a nut, not because he cries. Beck has a long history of making outrageous claims.

The fact that he talks about the Constitution and the ideas of the framers certainly has no value...

That is correct, it has no value. That is because Beck has an errant teaching about those items. Beck recasts the Skousen view of American history (which, in summary, is a cross between LDS and JBS doctrine.)

590 BARACK THE VOTE  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 2:46:59am

re: #284 Jimmah

It's SATIRE!

Which, as we all know, is a tool of TEH LEFT!

and Satan.

591 Ayeless in Ghazi  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 2:58:59am

re: #590 iceweasel

Which, as we all know, is a tool of TEH LEFT!

and Satan.

Hail satan!

592 Drider  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 3:38:50am

I always get semi nauseated with Glenn Becks quivering lips moments but you can't take away alot of what he says that has come to pass.I give credit where it is due and Beck is one to almost always speak whats on his mind with his guests.

And him pointing out some of what I "hope" many folks here would feel to be some of our countries darker moments is interesting.It's proof that good people who can control their government can do great things and when the people lose control or "not so good" people grab the reigns of power, bad things happen...Even in America...again.

593 retief_99  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 4:04:44am

re: #589 freetoken

Wouldn't it be great if instead of having someone "teach" us about the Constitution we all just downloaded it and read it for ourselves. Make up our own mind about what the words mean instead of letting someone else filter it for us. It is the peoples document. It can be downloaded for free. There have been cases of schools only teaching the parts they like. That is despicable.

594 BARACK THE VOTE  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 4:15:44am

re: #591 Jimmah

Hail satan!

Youtube Video

Hail Satan!

595 yochanan  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 5:21:18am

snicklegruber jokes aren't funny, and if you think any american is equal to nazi's boy have you lost any argument. either that or you don't have a clue what nazism is or was.

only rwanda and pol pot were in the same ball park as nazism

596 BlackFedora  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 5:28:13am

The only difference I can see these days between Glenn Beck and Alex Jones is that Glenn Beck has a show on Fox News.

597 BlackFedora  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 5:41:18am

re: #588 Zorro

I'm a libertarian and I don't consider Glenn Beck a fellow ideological traveller. He isn't rationally discussing the issues he is scaring the shit out of people. Its counterproductive and its making everyone who leans a little right of center look like a complete tool.

God damn you, Glenn Beck.

598 Kenneth  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 5:59:53am

Beck, as usual is only half right. He starts with some facts, and then runs off the cliff of reason into wild speculations and unfounded associations.

Fact check time: in the video, it is claimed that Canada passed eugenics laws in the early 20th century. Not true. Only the province of Alberta passed a eugenics law, the 1928. The law was finally repealed in 1972.

In Canada, the eugenics movement took place early in the 20th century, particularly in Alberta, and was quite popular. The Sexual Sterilization Act of Alberta was enacted in 1928, focusing the movement on the sterilization of mentally deficient individuals, as determined by the Alberta Eugenics Board. The campaign to enforce this action was backed by groups such as the United Farm Women's Group, including key member Emily Murphy.

(Emily Murphy (March 14, 1868 - October 17, 1933) was a Canadian women's rights activist, jurist, and author. In 1916, she became the first woman magistrate in Canada, and in the British Empire. She is best known for her contributions to Canadian feminism, specifically to the question of whether women were "persons" under Canadian law.)

Individuals were assessed using IQ tests like the Stanford-Binet. This posed a problem to new immigrants arriving in Canada, as many had not mastered the English language, and often their scores denoted them as having impaired intellectual functioning. As a result, many of those sterilized under the Sexual Sterilization Act were immigrants who were unfairly categorized.

The popularity of the eugenics movement peaked during the Depression. Individuals sought an explanation for the financial problems of the nation, and the notion of defective breeding became a scapegoat; citizens blamed individuals considered to be subhuman. The end of the Canadian eugenics movement was brought about when the Sexual Sterilization Act was repealed in 1972.

599 Kenneth  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 6:00:59am

re: #597 BlackFedora

Glenn Beck... isn't rational...

Your comment can be edited down to the essential issue.

600 Kenneth  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 6:01:34am

re: #596 BlackFedora

That, and Beck cries while Jones screams.

601 Dad O' Blondes  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 6:04:33am

Fear mongering?

Well, yes. I guess that would be right if the majority of the watching audience could understand what Beck is saying. Much of it looks like a re-run of the old black & white "World at War" documentary.

In the end, I don't know what he's talking about and he comes off like a kook.

.

602 Kenneth  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 6:13:27am

re: #538 Locker

As a parent I prefer the above to not telling my kid anything, having her sign an abstinence pledge and when that fails, deny her an abortion and force her to have a baby at 14.

Health and Safety. Health and Safety.

To hell with this false dichotomy. Are the only choices ignorant abstenance and consequence-free self-indulgence?

How about parents teaching their children self-respect, self-responsibility and self-control (ie. morality)? Teach contraception and disease prevention. The end result would be fewer teen pregnancies, fewer abortions, and less disease.

603 Kenneth  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 6:21:52am

re: #4 Gus 802

"Yes, we don't believe that eugenics is coming and we don't want to kill grandma. But, let's talk about it anyway and blame progressive and socialists while spreading more fear into my already paranoid audience."

No true Scotsman.

Jonah Goldberg on acid.

/Glenn Beck

/

I'm no fan of Beck, and he drove the wacky bus off the cliff ion this one, but don't ignore the fact that the in early 20th century, the eugenics movement was a project of the "progressives" of the day. Feminists, socialists and other do-gooders were heavily into it. Today, certain fringe elements of the modern "progressives" are once again turning to eugenics, including the extreme environmental groups.

One should never underestimate the lengths to which those who believe in social engineering under any guise (i.e. pro-eugenics progressives, Nazis and Communists) will go to "improve humanity".

604 American Sabra  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 6:52:00am

re: #530 Cato the Elder

Did anyone else pick up on the tone in which the words "public health" were spoken in Beck's little "I'm not calling them Nazis, but don't you think they're Nazis?" video mashup?

As if the entire field of public health were somehow sinister and tainted because of the dark history of eugenics. After all, it uses the word "public", and any sane person knows that's just another code word for sociafascistcommunyleftocratic gun control, abortion, compulsory atheism and grannynasia.

lol Cato, you're such a sexist. What about grandpanasia?!

605 American Sabra  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 6:55:11am

re: #533 ~Fianna

You realize that this is exactly what's happening right now, yes?

Go to a public hospital... go up to their geriatric psych ward (or their general populace psych ward for that matter)
. I've unfortunately visited a family member there. It was hellish and frightening... but since psych care isn't life threatening, and she was a year too young for medicare, no private hospital would take her, even with her assets.

My mother in law is a prime reason why I think we need health reform in the US. She worked all her life at a professional and well-paying job but had to take early retirement because my father in law was diagnosed with MS and needed care, so she stayed home. Of course, when she left work and Mike was disabled, she lost her employer health insurance (fortunately, he had VA benefits, so he was covered.). She priced private policies, but for a woman with bipolar disorder who is 60 years old, premiums ranged between 3 and 5 thousand dollars a month, so she went on the hope plan - hope I don't get sick, hope I don't get in to an accident, hope that I'll be okay until Medicare kicks in at 65... she wasn't lucky.

Bravo, girl!

606 gregb  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 7:09:17am

That guy should be taken off the air. That's outrageous.

His guests look like deers in headlights. All of their body language is trying to withdraw into themselves and not draw attention.

607 S'latch  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 7:12:49am

Who would watch and listen to ten whole minutes and thirty four seconds of this show. Not I, sir.

608 Cato the Elder  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 7:53:42am

re: #587 mosse

See my recent postings of the Sunstein and Emanuel articles, and the language used in HR 3200. Also see my postings, tonight, on the T-4 program and American eugenicist, Margaret Sanger.

It is of interest to review the work of Vogt, Ramsey, and Fletcher that are referenced in Science Czar, John Holdren's work, and to examine the publications of Peter Singer. The peculiarity of Obama's choice of Holdren and Singer for positions determining science policy, and Obama's reliance on the interpretations of Cass Sunstein are all sources of legitimate concern.

And that means Beck's rhetorical antics are OK?

609 American Sabra  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 7:59:15am

re: #603 Kenneth

I'm no fan of Beck, and he drove the wacky bus off the cliff ion this one, but don't ignore the fact that the in early 20th century, the eugenics movement was a project of the "progressives" of the day. Feminists, socialists and other do-gooders were heavily into it. Today, certain fringe elements of the modern "progressives" are once again turning to eugenics, including the extreme environmental groups.

One should never underestimate the lengths to which those who believe in social engineering under any guise (i.e. pro-eugenics progressives, Nazis and Communists) will go to "improve humanity".

Couple things. #1, show me a feminist, progressive, liberal or Democratic site TODAY that sponsors euthanasia as a "solution" to illness. Not an individual person who wrote about it, but part of the "party mind". Pointing to something 100 years ago doesn't mean much, even if it's true which I'm not even sure it is.

Just like the Right loves to point out that George Wallace was a racist bigot and then make the leap that all the Left are racist bigots, completely neglecting the fact that when the Democrat party purged itself of their bigots, they ran over to the Right and pretty much stayed there.

#2 The Left fringe is not a part of the Democratic party. The Left fringe is considered wacko by the majority of liberals. They have zero to do with the Left's policies. In fact, many of the Left's fringe deplore the Left's policies! Meanwhile, "pundits" (or whatever you call them), Pat Buchanan, Glenn Beck and Rush Limbaugh, are entrenched and embraced by the GOP. They are, in fact, considered GOP leaders.

610 Cato the Elder  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 7:59:39am

re: #588 Zorro

Maybe eating our own isn't such a good idea.

Beck is not "my own". You may consume whatever dreck you like.

611 Baier  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 8:08:48am

I just watched that video and I'm convinced Beck is a pill junkie...you heard it here first.

612 American Sabra  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 8:11:07am

re: #610 Cato the Elder

Beck is not "my own". You may consume whatever dreck you like.

Ick! Would definitely need a lot of ketchup.

Say, are you the same as poster "Cato"? Or is that the Cato the Younger.

613 JEA62  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 9:07:21am

I enjoyed his three guests just sitting there after he finished his rant not saying a word, with expressions of 'what the fuck are we doing here?'

614 Dad O' Blondes  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 9:20:09am

re: #533 ~Fianna

You realize that this is exactly what's happening right now, yes?

Go to a public hospital... go up to their geriatric psych ward (or their general populace psych ward for that matter)
. I've unfortunately visited a family member there. It was hellish and frightening... but since psych care isn't life threatening, and she was a year too young for medicare, no private hospital would take her, even with her assets.

My mother in law is a prime reason why I think we need health reform in the US. She worked all her life at a professional and well-paying job but had to take early retirement because my father in law was diagnosed with MS and needed care, so she stayed home. Of course, when she left work and Mike was disabled, she lost her employer health insurance (fortunately, he had VA benefits, so he was covered.). She priced private policies, but for a woman with bipolar disorder who is 60 years old, premiums ranged between 3 and 5 thousand dollars a month, so she went on the hope plan - hope I don't get sick, hope I don't get in to an accident, hope that I'll be okay until Medicare kicks in at 65... she wasn't lucky.

Great post. You point out a clear flaw in the system, as it stands today. There are lots of Americans who fall into this category: worked their entire adult lives, paid into Medicare/Medicaid for decades...and then through job loss or forced leave, or even voluntary leave...are left uninsured at a point in life (55+) when insurance coverage is desperately needed.

What kind of crappy deal is that? How about a backdated refund of all the premiums paid into plans over the years when there was no payout for care, beacuse the individual was healthy, and didn't need care or doctoring? The insurance company just pockets that premium.

We have a national health care insurance system already. It doesn't work perfectly, it's only open to an age-specific segment of the population, as you point out -- it's Medicare.

There are ways to extend this coverage to others, without destroying the existing sytem.

.

615 dadaist  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 9:52:37am

re: #32 MarineVet

Wow! Amazing that this made a thread and not the staged "town hall" meeting of Obama...sometimes I wonder what direction this blog goes...

You just don't get it do you?

When, during the Bush Presidency a significant swathe of the left were going completely stark raving mad, conservative and moderate commentators and bloggers were quite right to criticise the way in which otherwise sane liberals showed quite undue tolerance to their kooks and even pandered to them.

Now that a large section of the conservative base and various right wing media figures are going similarly crazy it is just as important that sane people on the right call them out on it. This is for a few reasons:

1) It's the right thing to do. Insane people are insane, regardless of what side they seem to be cheering for. We shouldn't want insanity from any quarter to gain traction.

2) It would be hypocrisy to do otherwise, employing a standard when assessing political opponents that we don't apply to ourselves.

3) It's the sensible self-interested thing to do. This may come as a shock to you, but when the most visible wing of the conservative movement is yapping crazily at the moon, that doesn't make conservative ideas more attractive to the population as a whole.

These "why aren't you just criticising liberals" style comments make me want to pound my head into my keyboard in sheer frustration. The extreme right is not an ally we should choose. Theocratic creationists and fear mongering paranoiacs are just as opposed to the kind of America sane conservatives want as the liberals and socialists are.

616 Charles Johnson  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 10:20:25am

re: #615 dadaist

Up-ding from me.

617 BlackFedora  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 10:21:18am

re: #615 dadaist

I'd up-ding this 1 million times if I could.

618 Dadaist  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 10:47:17am

Thanks guys. It just drives me up the wall when I hear people complaining that sane people on the right dare to criticise insane people on the right when we should all be working together against a common enemy. It's as if some people think of politics in a similar manner to supporting a sports team. You pick a side and then you are loyal to it and hate your local rivals and that's all there is to it.

I used to live in Britain and you would hear loads of soccer fans making excuses for fans of their own team who had been involved in crowd trouble. The other team's fans always started it or heavy handed policing provoked it. Quite a lot of people just couldn't bring themselves to say, no, some people who also cheer for my team are dangerous idiots.

That's an idiotic way to behave when it comes to sports, but its frankly nuts when it comes to the political future of the country. It isn't about picking a team and then cheering for anything anyone else on your own "side" says or does, no matter how insane it is. Insane right wingers are insane first and right wingers second and we should remember that. It's incumbent on us not just to criticise our opponents on the left but to keep our own house in order too. Even if the sane wing of the left doesn't always reciprocate. "Beating" the left isn't worth much if it results in us putting nutcases in power. I don't want Glenn Beck to be a spokesperson for my politics. I don't want Michele Bachmann in a position of power. That doesn't make me a traitor to conservatism, it makes me reasonable.

619 McNug  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 10:53:48am

1:30 why is Baffin Island missing from the map of Canada?

I knew Glenn Beck was arrogant, but I didn't think he was "redraw Canada's borders" arrogant. :)

620 fooburger  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 12:58:55pm

Dunno... only two comments:
Distilling the episode down to 10 minutes of him talking and then criticizing it because he asks a question which none of his panelists responds to is kinda flawed. It's likely the episode was more interactive than this represents.

There is nothing shameful about the host bringing up his handicapped child in any context. Parents of handicapped children get a blank check on when and where they bring up the incredible trials they go through. We don't all have to agree with whoever has a handicapped child on anything they say, but the only polite thing to do is say nothing. And to make fun and/or criticize him for getting emotional about it, *even* if it's irrelevant to the discussion at hand... makes me feel a bit ill...

It's kinda like criticizing someone for bringing up their child who died in the military defending our country. They can do it whenever they want, and we can never level criticism at them for doing so. Talk past it, whatever. Cindy Sheehan only ever had my sympathies when she talked directly about the loss of her son, and she deserved that. Sure, it shuts down the conversation, but anything else is highly disrespectful and demeaning.

Criticize Glen Beck for whatever.. put please don't criticize him for bringing up his handicapped child again.

621 Charles Johnson  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 3:45:13pm

re: #620 fooburger

There is nothing shameful about the host bringing up his handicapped child in any context. Parents of handicapped children get a blank check on when and where they bring up the incredible trials they go through. We don't all have to agree with whoever has a handicapped child on anything they say, but the only polite thing to do is say nothing. And to make fun and/or criticize him for getting emotional about it, *even* if it's irrelevant to the discussion at hand... makes me feel a bit ill...

It's kinda like criticizing someone for bringing up their child who died in the military defending our country. They can do it whenever they want, and we can never level criticism at them for doing so. Talk past it, whatever. Cindy Sheehan only ever had my sympathies when she talked directly about the loss of her son, and she deserved that. Sure, it shuts down the conversation, but anything else is highly disrespectful and demeaning.

What makes me ill is seeing this guy shamelessly using his daughter's illness on television, in front of millions of people, to promote the idea that Obama is Hitler.

Criticize Glen Beck for whatever.. put please don't criticize him for bringing up his handicapped child again.

Sorry, but no. I'm going to criticize him for that. I think it was reprehensible.

622 Irish Rose  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 4:49:02pm

re: #615 dadaist

You just don't get it do you?

When, during the Bush Presidency a significant swathe of the left were going completely stark raving mad, conservative and moderate commentators and bloggers were quite right to criticise the way in which otherwise sane liberals showed quite undue tolerance to their kooks and even pandered to them.

Now that a large section of the conservative base and various right wing media figures are going similarly crazy it is just as important that sane people on the right call them out on it. This is for a few reasons:

1) It's the right thing to do. Insane people are insane, regardless of what side they seem to be cheering for. We shouldn't want insanity from any quarter to gain traction.

2) It would be hypocrisy to do otherwise, employing a standard when assessing political opponents that we don't apply to ourselves.

3) It's the sensible self-interested thing to do. This may come as a shock to you, but when the most visible wing of the conservative movement is yapping crazily at the moon, that doesn't make conservative ideas more attractive to the population as a whole.

These "why aren't you just criticising liberals" style comments make me want to pound my head into my keyboard in sheer frustration. The extreme right is not an ally we should choose. Theocratic creationists and fear mongering paranoiacs are just as opposed to the kind of America sane conservatives want as the liberals and socialists are.

I'd upding you a zillion times if I could.
Your post is honest, refreshing and absolutely spot on.

623 Mosse  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 7:13:28pm

re: #588 Zorro

Exactly. There's more than a little condescension here, these days -- a former hallmark of the Latte Left.

624 meh130  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 7:24:52pm

Those who forget the past ...

And that's all I have to say about that.

625 meh130  Thu, Aug 13, 2009 8:08:48pm

An interesting article from the left of center Daily Beast:

Obama's Euthanasia Mistake (Lee Siegel)

626 Kevlaur  Fri, Aug 14, 2009 3:25:25am

re: #615 dadaist

You just don't get it do you?

When, during the Bush Presidency a significant swathe of the left were going completely stark raving mad, conservative and moderate commentators and bloggers were quite right to criticise the way in which otherwise sane liberals showed quite undue tolerance to their kooks and even pandered to them.

Now that a large section of the conservative base and various right wing media figures are going similarly crazy it is just as important that sane people on the right call them out on it. This is for a few reasons:

1) It's the right thing to do. Insane people are insane, regardless of what side they seem to be cheering for. We shouldn't want insanity from any quarter to gain traction.

2) It would be hypocrisy to do otherwise, employing a standard when assessing political opponents that we don't apply to ourselves.

3) It's the sensible self-interested thing to do. This may come as a shock to you, but when the most visible wing of the conservative movement is yapping crazily at the moon, that doesn't make conservative ideas more attractive to the population as a whole.

These "why aren't you just criticising liberals" style comments make me want to pound my head into my keyboard in sheer frustration. The extreme right is not an ally we should choose. Theocratic creationists and fear mongering paranoiacs are just as opposed to the kind of America sane conservatives want as the liberals and socialists are.

So, you're qualified to a diagnose of insanity? The guy gets emotional at the thought of his daughter being euthanized if he had been from another time period and he's insane? I am moved to tears sometimes by things. Am I insane?
Beck had a relevant point. He traced some of the history of eugenics. He commented that it starts somewhere. He NEVER called Obama Hitler. You talk about us not using the same tactics of the left. Have you every watched Olbermann or some of the others? Perhaps he is playing into the hands of those who fear death committees. But, after reading about the bill and the pertinent portions I don't see 'death panels.' I see financial incentive to discuss end of life options.

Don't doctors already do a form of this? Does the bill go too far?

Calling Beck howl at the moon insane is perhaps itself just shy of sanity.
Emotional sure... insane? I don't think so.

627 JEA62  Fri, Aug 14, 2009 3:40:08am

RE: 626

"He NEVER called Obama Hitler."

No he didn't.

But you've got to be pretty dense not to get where he was headed with the implications he made (like with that poster). He did a damn good job of that.

That's all he has to do. He can leave it for others, like the ultra-right wingers on americanthinker.com, and let them take it the rest of the way.

628 longlivethe80s  Fri, Aug 14, 2009 7:06:31am

re: #40 MarineVet

Right on Marinevet! Look, if the Communist in Chief wants to shut Beck up..he should re-think his criteria for choosing minions...Tiny Dancer and Garlic & Onions(Rahm and Davey) are bad enough, but the circus geeks he hired as Czars, come on.. that was astonishingly stupid and arrogant.

Pick the party with the least lawyers in it next time.

629 longlivethe80s  Fri, Aug 14, 2009 7:44:59am

re: #615 dadaist

Sane liberal? Really? Name one. Blindly supporting FDR's policies and philosophies, supporting LBJ's Great Society disaster...(as ALL liberals do) with a zeal that rivals any Jihadist, proves that none of them are sane...or, they're really, and I mean really, ignorant.

That support also illustrates their penchant for classism and by extension racism. Take the most vulnerable in our society at a pivotal time in our history and throw 'em a few bucks and some goodies so they stay stuck in public housing and rot...and vote. It's worked sublimely. Oh, and heaven forbid they get a hold of vouchers for a decent education...that my lead to them nutty kids thinkin' for themselves!

To para-quote Sanger - "the poor(blacks)are weeds in the human garden, a burden to themselves, their families and their communities". The left is and has always been IMO insane. Beck looks like Soloman compared to them.


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