This video from January 2009 was released by the IDF to counter the Human Rights Watch report that just came out, which claimed that HRW could find no evidence that Hamas terrorists employ human shields in the Palestinian population.
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Sharmuta Thu, Aug 13, 2009 1:26:22pm |
This video from January 2009 was released by the IDF to counter the Human Rights Watch report that just came out, which claimed that HRW could find no evidence that Hamas terrorists employ human shields in the Palestinian population.
Which makes you have to wonder how hard they looked.
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MJ Thu, Aug 13, 2009 1:27:04pm |
Israeli Army Reports Possible Soldier Abduction
JERUSALEM — The Israeli army said Thursday it was investigating the possibility that one of its soldiers had been seized by a Palestinian group in the center of the country...
[Link: www.nytimes.com...]
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Kosh's Shadow Thu, Aug 13, 2009 1:29:14pm |
This should be shown on the news when they give the HRW story.
But I'm not going to hold my breath.
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Desert Dog Thu, Aug 13, 2009 1:32:26pm |
Why does a large portion of the world pretend this crap does not happen with Hamas and Hezbollah? They all know it happens, yet there is a wall of resistance up to admit it.
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Kragar Thu, Aug 13, 2009 1:32:29pm |
re: #7 Kosh's Shadow
Well, if their afraid of the outcry if they did, this should show it doesn't matter.
And every hamasshole captured should be treated like a war criminal.
Un-uniformed enemy combatant = Firing squad
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Sharmuta Thu, Aug 13, 2009 1:35:44pm |
re: #11 Shug
wimps
More like cowards. If it's so great to die in jihad for the glory of allah- why do they hide among the innocent?
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Earth56 Thu, Aug 13, 2009 1:35:47pm |
re: #9 Desert Dog
Why does a large portion of the world pretend this crap does not happen with Hamas and Hezbollah? They all know it happens, yet there is a wall of resistance up to admit it.
Because they miss "the good old days" when a Jew could be kicked anytime and there were no planes with a Star of David on it.
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samsgran1948 Thu, Aug 13, 2009 1:38:39pm |
"Smoke and mirrors! Fauxtography! CGI! Fakery!" The MSM will howl because it is incapable of seeing the truth even when it comes up and bites them on the butt. The same with HRW. They have to work at ignoring Palestinian war crimes.
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Earth56 Thu, Aug 13, 2009 1:39:18pm |
re: #14 midwestgak
Two deletions already.
I'm curious and wonder if Charles might give us a clue as to the content of whats being deleted...trolls ?
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jordash1212 Thu, Aug 13, 2009 1:39:49pm |
Despicable behavior by both Hamas and the UN HRW. I have nothing but compassion and respect for the IDF soldiers I see here in Israel.
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Joo-LiZ Thu, Aug 13, 2009 1:41:12pm |
Mere Rhetoric has more high-quality pictures and a nice video dealing with the Human Shields in Gaza.
I'm waiting on word from the IDF about their rollcall of the army -- I'm really hoping this was a false alarm, but Ma'an News sounds pretty confident.
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Sharmuta Thu, Aug 13, 2009 1:41:19pm |
It should also be pointed out how quickly the IDF responded to the report by releasing this video. Refuting/debunking this propaganda against Israel quickly can make a big difference. Of course, it would be better if the IDF didn't have to, but this is reality.
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Kragar Thu, Aug 13, 2009 1:41:52pm |
I was not specific in stating a sustained ground search by IDF forces conducting house to house searches and separating civilians and removing them from the combat area while engaging and destroying Hamas personel and support infrastructure in my previous statement.
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leafsfan82 Thu, Aug 13, 2009 1:42:18pm |
"HRW could find no evidence that Hamas terrorists employ human shields in the Palestinian population."
All that according to Palestinian sources I suppose...
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Kragar Thu, Aug 13, 2009 1:43:07pm |
re: #21 leafsfan82
"HRW could find no evidence that Hamas terrorists employ human shields in the Palestinian population."
All that according to Palestinian sources I suppose...
Actually looking at available evidence might help in that respect.
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Kosh's Shadow Thu, Aug 13, 2009 1:43:35pm |
One of the deletions could be taken as a call to violence, and the other quoted it.
The 2nd one was, in fact, quoted elsewhere, but since it didn't have the original offending quote (quotes of quotes are removed when quoting), was left in. Of course, after Charles reads this, it might get deleted, too.
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Ben Hur Thu, Aug 13, 2009 1:43:51pm |
re: #21 leafsfan82
"HRW could find no evidence that Hamas terrorists employ human shields in the Palestinian population."
All that according to Palestinian sources I suppose...
Probably.
It's the same school as "Israel killed Arafat and we're putting together a committee to prove it..."
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Kosh's Shadow Thu, Aug 13, 2009 1:44:01pm |
re: #19 Sharmuta
It should also be pointed out how quickly the IDF responded to the report by releasing this video. Refuting/debunking this propaganda against Israel quickly can make a big difference. Of course, it would be better if the IDF didn't have to, but this is reality.
Too bad the news media will ignore the IDF's report.
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Earth56 Thu, Aug 13, 2009 1:44:48pm |
re: #21 leafsfan82
"HRW could find no evidence that Hamas terrorists employ human shields in the Palestinian population."
All that according to Palestinian sources I suppose...
and they somehow didn't mention the part of several thousand missiles lobbed into Israel prior to the Gaza campaign ?
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turn Thu, Aug 13, 2009 1:44:53pm |
re: #16 Earth56
I'm curious and wonder if Charles might give us a clue as to the content of whats being deleted...trolls ?
You can click on the little green football on the deleted post and find out who made it. You can tell the trolls from regular lizards that way.
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Ben Hur Thu, Aug 13, 2009 1:45:10pm |
re: #26 Kosh's Shadow
Too bad the news media will ignore the IDF's report.
They NEVER believe the IDF.
Tunnels are never "alleged" when found by the Egyptians.
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Coracle Thu, Aug 13, 2009 1:45:50pm |
In one sense, the video is actually being charitable. One question that should be asked, but won't, is why the civilians didn't turn in the terrorist using them as a shield when the opportunity arose. I suppose one could say they feared retaliation, but there are other possibilities as well.
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Earth56 Thu, Aug 13, 2009 1:46:19pm |
re: #28 turn
You can click on the little green football on the deleted post and find out who made it. You can tell the trolls from regular lizards that way.
ahh...many thanks
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Vicious Babushka Thu, Aug 13, 2009 1:46:32pm |
The IDF arrest the little shit and take him away for investigation? They are running the war like a police action, and the HRW bottom feeders still accuse them of "nazi storm troop" tactics.
I don't suppose it has ever occurred to HRW and the other media shills that if Israel actually did perform "nazi storm troop" tactics that there would be Palestinian casualties in the hundreds of thousands instead of the 1300 that were reported?
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Kosh's Shadow Thu, Aug 13, 2009 1:46:42pm |
re: #29 Ben Hur
They NEVER believe the IDF.
Tunnels are never "alleged" when found by the Egyptians.
The MFMSM could be showing live video of a reporter falling into a tunnel entrance, and saying on a live mike "Look at all the missiles here!" and it would still be an "alleged" tunnel and "alleged" weapons smuggling.
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Dianna Thu, Aug 13, 2009 1:47:28pm |
re: #16 Earth56
I'm curious and wonder if Charles might give us a clue as to the content of whats being deleted...trolls ?
Kragar and Kosh's Shadow are not trolls. One said something he shouldn't have, and the other quoted him.
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Shug Thu, Aug 13, 2009 1:47:32pm |
HRW could find no evidence that Hamas terrorists employ human shields in the Palestinian population.
a tough task to find anything with your head up your ass
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reloadingisnotahobby Thu, Aug 13, 2009 1:48:48pm |
I'm thinking the deleted posts had something to do with duct tape and that section of wall where the POS planted the bomb...
Can't say for sure...
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NY Nana Thu, Aug 13, 2009 1:48:49pm |
I was 10 years old when the State of Israel was declared, and I will never forget the elation we felt.
Israel has been under fire all this time...and the world calls Israel the villain...and now, with The One as President? I fear more than I have ever have. He is, IMHO, Israel's most dangerous enemy.
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Vicious Babushka Thu, Aug 13, 2009 1:49:18pm |
re: #19 Sharmuta
It should also be pointed out how quickly the IDF responded to the report by releasing this video. Refuting/debunking this propaganda against Israel quickly can make a big difference. Of course, it would be better if the IDF didn't have to, but this is reality.
The problem that the IDF has with the Palestinians and their media shills is similar to the problem that evolutionists have with creationists. For every claim that is debunked using facts and evidence, the opponents will only make up bigger and louder lies.
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Dianna Thu, Aug 13, 2009 1:49:21pm |
re: #30 Coracle
In one sense, the video is actually being charitable. One question that should be asked, but won't, is why the civilians didn't turn in the terrorist using them as a shield when the opportunity arose. I suppose one could say they feared retaliation, but there are other possibilities as well.
He had the gun. They didn't.
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Tumulus11 Thu, Aug 13, 2009 1:49:34pm |
'The terrorist lies in wait for the approaching Israeli forces.
Plants an improvised explosive device. (IED)
The terrorist climbs into a house full of civilians.
IDF troops surround the house.
The civilians surrender waving a white fag, the terrorist hidden among them.
IDF ground forces identify the terrorist with the help of the Air Force.
IDF forces arrest the terrorist.
The terrorist is taken for questioning.'
. 'Collective punishment!'
// Human Rights Watch
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Earth56 Thu, Aug 13, 2009 1:49:56pm |
re: #34 Dianna
Kragar and Kosh's Shadow are not trolls. One said something he shouldn't have, and the other quoted him.
Now that I found out frum "turn" how to find out I now know they aren't trolls but probably just pissed about this article. Thanks anyways.
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jcm Thu, Aug 13, 2009 1:52:21pm |
re: #33 Kosh's Shadow
The MFMSM could be showing live video of a reporter falling into a tunnel entrance, and saying on a live mike "Look at all the missiles here!" and it would still be an "alleged" tunnel and "alleged" weapons smuggling.
Everyone knows the tunnels are strictly for food... and well entertainment.
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Coracle Thu, Aug 13, 2009 1:52:46pm |
re: #39 Dianna
You're absolutely right but wouldn't it have been a better sign for the future of everyone if the caption train had read:
IDF troops surround the house.
The civilians surrender waving a white flag, the terrorist hidden among them.
The civilians identify the terrorist.
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tradewind Thu, Aug 13, 2009 1:52:48pm |
I hate this shiite. The Paleofreaks will just say that the IDF photoshopped it or otherwise made it up, even when every bit of evidence shows that the Pals use every dirty trick in the book to cower under the skirts of women and children . loaded with weapons and disregarding civilian safety.
Any group of people who would place a corpse as a shield for an IED under a blanket in an ambulance and race it into the emergency room of an Israeli hospital will not be influenced by moral outrage.
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Morganfrost Thu, Aug 13, 2009 1:54:01pm |
1) Terrorist plants IED.
2) Terrorist hides among civilians.
3) Israelis surround house.
4) Civilians shield terrorist; Israelis can only identify him through IDF pics.
5) Israelis arrest terrorist.
6) Israelis release civilians.
7) Israelis release terrorist and 399 more like him in exchange for platitudes or possibly the mangled remains of an Israeli.
8) Go back to step 1.
If you want to blame the Israelis for something, blame them for failing to seriously discourage terrorism.
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Shiplord Kirel Thu, Aug 13, 2009 1:54:25pm |
Face it, there is a natural affinity between commercial media culture, including auxiliaries like HRW, and terrorists. It all goes back to "illusion of rebellion" advertising appeals and the successful exploitation of the 60s counterculture (think "Che t-shirt"). These were so successful, in fact, that they define the internal culture of the media-industrial complex to this day.
For much more on this relationship between commercial media and leftist politics, see Thomas Frank's landmark cultural history, The Conquest of Cool
Business Culture, Counterculture, and the Rise of Hip Consumerism.
I have called this book the "Rosetta Stone of media bias."
Speaking of Rosetta Stone, I noticed that ads for the language software of that name have changed the accent when they pronounce the name, from RoSETta Stone to Rosetta STONE. It sounds like a person's name now. I have to wonder just what percentage of the audience knows that the Rosetta Stone is an actual rock and not the name of some lady who owns the company?
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Kosh's Shadow Thu, Aug 13, 2009 1:57:11pm |
re: #45 tradewind
I hate this shiite. The Paleofreaks will just say that the IDF photoshopped it or otherwise made it up, even when every bit of evidence shows that the Pals use every dirty trick in the book to cower under the skirts of women and children . loaded with weapons and disregarding civilian safety.
Any group of people who would place a corpse as a shield for an IED under a blanket in an ambulance and race it into the emergency room of an Israeli hospital will not be influenced by moral outrage.
Like there is any moral outrage at the palis.
No, there is just sympathy.
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Ben Hur Thu, Aug 13, 2009 1:58:25pm |
re: #38 Alouette
The problem that the IDF has with the Palestinians and their media shills is similar to the problem that evolutionists have with creationists. For every claim that is debunked using facts and evidence, the opponents will only make up bigger and louder lies.
I remember shortly after Operation Defensive Sheild the IDF Spokewoman showing videos on Israeli TV refuting similar claims against the IDF.
The anchor asked her, "Why don't you show these to the media?"
She answered that ALL videos were available to the media. They choose not to show them.
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midwestgak Thu, Aug 13, 2009 1:58:36pm |
re: #46 Morganfrost
If you want to blame the Israelis for something, blame them for failing to seriously discourage terrorism.
Building a wall seriouly discouraged terrorist from entering their country. Whatever Israelis try to do, they get their hands slapped.
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RELOADINGISNOTAHOBBY Thu, Aug 13, 2009 1:59:06pm |
I'm logged in and the icons are gone ...?
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Ben Hur Thu, Aug 13, 2009 1:59:23pm |
re: #46 Morganfrost
1) Terrorist plants IED.
2) Terrorist hides among civilians.
3) Israelis surround house.
4) Civilians shield terrorist; Israelis can only identify him through IDF pics.
5) Israelis arrest terrorist.
6) Israelis release civilians.
7) Israelis release terrorist and 399 more like him in exchange for platitudes or possibly the mangled remains of an Israeli.
8) Go back to step 1.If you want to blame the Israelis for something, blame them for failing to seriously discourage terrorism.
It's hard to argue with that.
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VegasRick Thu, Aug 13, 2009 1:59:40pm |
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quiet man Thu, Aug 13, 2009 2:00:26pm |
re: #51 midwestgak
The Palis do not discourage easy..Terrorism is like bowling to them now..every wed and sat night...other times its the (anti) Bush Leagues
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quiet man Thu, Aug 13, 2009 2:01:13pm |
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VegasRick Thu, Aug 13, 2009 2:02:09pm |
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reloadingisnotahobby Thu, Aug 13, 2009 2:02:54pm |
re: #53 Ben Hur
The reality is the "civilians" were harboring ,aiding and protecting!
I've said it before ...If ya do that here in the states with a murderous felon you get what ya deserve!
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itellu3times Thu, Aug 13, 2009 2:03:30pm |
re: #21 leafsfan82
"HRW could find no evidence that Hamas terrorists employ human shields in the Palestinian population."
All that according to Palestinian sources I suppose...
Maybe they don't consider Palestinian civilians as human.
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MandyManners Thu, Aug 13, 2009 2:03:32pm |
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Joo-LiZ Thu, Aug 13, 2009 2:03:56pm |
"Kidnapped" Soldier Update:
Roll call turns up nobody missing.
Now we just have to see if this mysterious "Al-Quds" Terrorist group that claimed responsibility dissappears or comes up with something substantive.
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Shiplord Kirel Thu, Aug 13, 2009 2:04:32pm |
I can see people asking themselves "Now who the hell is this Rosetta Stone anyway?.
This reminds me of a little mystery I encountered a few years ago in the town of Andrews Texas. I had to drive through there on business for a few weeks. On my first trip, I saw a big sign at the city limits proudly declaring Andrews to be the "Home of Kirby West!"
I had never heard of Kirby West and was wondering who that could be. I couldn't think of any footballs stars, C&W celebrities, or NASCAR drivers by that name, so I was stumped. After a few trips, though, I had to turn off the highway onto a side street for some reason and ended up coming face to face with "Kirby West." This was not a person, but a complex of modern light industrial buildings. As a helpfully illustrated sign out front explained, it is in fact the factory where Kirby vacuum cleaners are made.
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quiet man Thu, Aug 13, 2009 2:04:52pm |
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Kragar Thu, Aug 13, 2009 2:05:15pm |
re: #63 Joo-LiZ
"Kidnapped" Soldier Update:
Roll call turns up nobody missing.
Now we just have to see if this mysterious "Al-Quds" Terrorist group that claimed responsibility dissappears or comes up with something substantive.
Maybe they took someone they thought was a soldier?
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Killgore Trout Thu, Aug 13, 2009 2:06:00pm |
Right wing extremist hoax...
Man pleads guilty to racial threat using fake Facebook account
An African-American man has pleaded guilty after being accused of impersonating a white supremacist in a fictitious Facebook account to make death threats against an African-American university student.
Dyron L. Hart, 20, of Poplarville, Mississippi, pleaded guilty Wednesday before U.S. District Judge Kurt D. Engelhardt to one count of communicating threats in interstate commerce, according to a Department of Justice statement.
Hart admitted creating the fictitious account in November, pretending to be a white supremacist outraged by the election of Barack Obama as the nation's first African-American president, the statement said.
He then transmitted a death threat via Facebook to an African-American student at Nicholls State University in Louisiana, saying he wanted to kill African-Americans because of Obama's election, according to the statement.
A court document provided by the U.S. attorney's office said Hart told an FBI interviewer that he intended the threat to be a prank "to get a reaction."
This whole post racial thing is working out great.
/
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Shiplord Kirel Thu, Aug 13, 2009 2:06:11pm |
re: #63 Joo-LiZ
"Kidnapped" Soldier Update:
Roll call turns up nobody missing.
Now we just have to see if this mysterious "Al-Quds" Terrorist group that claimed responsibility dissappears or comes up with something substantive.
Remember when a bunch of international media fell for a story about a kidnapped American GI who turned out to be a GI style action figure?
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Randall Gross Thu, Aug 13, 2009 2:06:19pm |
re: #63 Joo-LiZ
"Kidnapped" Soldier Update:
Roll call turns up nobody missing.
Now we just have to see if this mysterious "Al-Quds" Terrorist group that claimed responsibility dissappears or comes up with something substantive.
Great news and thanks kindly for the update
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Green Helmet Guy Thu, Aug 13, 2009 2:06:28pm |
AYFABTU
All your Flag are belong to us
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Kragar Thu, Aug 13, 2009 2:07:12pm |
re: #65 MikeySDCA
I'm not sure what they could do. That's the horror of the situation.
They've been far too humane. Name one other nation which is responsible for feeding, arming and aiding the people who are dedicated to killing them?
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tradewind Thu, Aug 13, 2009 2:07:24pm |
re: #70 Thanos
Where is Gilad Shalit (sp?) Has he been confirmed alive?
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quiet man Thu, Aug 13, 2009 2:07:25pm |
re: #65 MikeySDCA
re: #46 Morganfrost
I'm not sure what they could do. That's the horror of the situation.
That is where I am at..what could Israel do..the world is against anything they do and nothing short of genocide will change anything.
Talking has done nothing at all. Israel has to live with the broken bottle at it's throat..it has no other choice.
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CaptObviousman Thu, Aug 13, 2009 2:07:56pm |
re: #50 Ben Hur
I remember shortly after Operation Defensive Sheild the IDF Spokewoman showing videos on Israeli TV refuting similar claims against the IDF.
The anchor asked her, "Why don't you show these to the media?"
She answered that ALL videos were available to the media. They choose not to show them.
Well color me surprised.
I've never understood why the media considers it "in it's best interest" to not cover this stuff.
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Killgore Trout Thu, Aug 13, 2009 2:08:09pm |
ATTN: Foodies
I bought a set of Chantal cookware today. Has anyone used them before?
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Randall Gross Thu, Aug 13, 2009 2:08:12pm |
re: #73 tradewind
Where is Gilad Shalit (sp?) Has he been confirmed alive?
A lot of us wish we knew.
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Joo-LiZ Thu, Aug 13, 2009 2:08:27pm |
re: #73 tradewind
Where is Gilad Shalit (sp?) Has he been confirmed alive?
I'm not sure if you were making a political point, but my post was about a feared new kidnapping this evening in Israel.
Shalit is still in captivity in Gaza.
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quiet man Thu, Aug 13, 2009 2:08:37pm |
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Dianna Thu, Aug 13, 2009 2:08:46pm |
re: #44 Coracle
You're absolutely right but wouldn't it have been a better sign for the future of everyone if the caption train had read:
IDF troops surround the house.
The civilians surrender waving a white flag, the terrorist hidden among them.
The civilians identify the terrorist.
Followed shortly by: IDF had to regretfully announce that these civilians were hideously tortured and mutilated after being identified in this video.
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captdiggs Thu, Aug 13, 2009 2:08:57pm |
Israel is apparently the only country on earth where the normal laws of juris prudence are suspended.
It is deemed "guilty" till proven innocent.
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Green Helmet Guy Thu, Aug 13, 2009 2:09:04pm |
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tradewind Thu, Aug 13, 2009 2:09:12pm |
re: #75 CaptObviousman
I think in some perverse way these bleeding hearts think they would be providing cover for Israel to tighten up and defend themselves more vigorously.
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Vicious Babushka Thu, Aug 13, 2009 2:10:19pm |
re: #73 tradewind
Where is Gilad Shalit (sp?) Has he been confirmed alive?
My personal opinion, and I pray that I am wrong, but I believe that he was murdered soon after he was captured. Hamas has never provided any proof of life.
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tradewind Thu, Aug 13, 2009 2:10:33pm |
re: #78 Joo-LiZ
No, I just wondered when the mention of a possible kidnapping was posted. It has been a long time since there has been news of him that I have seen.
But IMO, Israel should do nothing of a concessionary nature until he is returned.
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Dianna Thu, Aug 13, 2009 2:11:07pm |
re: #76 Killgore Trout
ATTN: Foodies
I bought a set of Chantal cookware today. Has anyone used them before?
Are they teflon lined, still? Because if they are, emulsions are still going to be a problem.
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MJ Thu, Aug 13, 2009 2:11:12pm |
re: #63 Joo-LiZ
"Kidnapped" Soldier Update:
Roll call turns up nobody missing.
Now we just have to see if this mysterious "Al-Quds" Terrorist group that claimed responsibility dissappears or comes up with something substantive.
Let's hope this story is correct. The NYT story is still up on their site.
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Killgore Trout Thu, Aug 13, 2009 2:11:50pm |
re: #84 Dianna
It's odd but it happens. Remember there were a rash of cases a few years ago. A Jewish student was drawing swastikas on his own door. A black professor hung a noose on his office door and said it was a threat.
Some people just need the attention.
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eneri Thu, Aug 13, 2009 2:12:05pm |
Of course they found no evidence; first they would have to open their eyes.
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CaptObviousman Thu, Aug 13, 2009 2:12:15pm |
re: #83 tradewind
Man, just think of how easy it would be able to trust your news source 100% all the time. Not have to constantly worry that what you're watching is biased one way or the other. Not having to do rigorous fact checking ...
That'd be great
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Killgore Trout Thu, Aug 13, 2009 2:12:16pm |
re: #87 Dianna
Are they teflon lined, still? Because if they are, emulsions are still going to be a problem.
No, They're ceramic coated.
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buster Thu, Aug 13, 2009 2:12:32pm |
I remember being amazed a week or two ago when Charles posted a thread about HRW being on the right side of something or other. I forget now exactly what it was but it seemed as if Hell had indeed frozen over.
It is safe to say Hell is back to normal.
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Kragar Thu, Aug 13, 2009 2:14:04pm |
re: #79 quiet man
The United States of America...in Iraq..we alternated bombs and food
Perhaps in volume, but nowhere near to the same scope in terms of what later became a tangible benefit in winning over support of the populace.
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Vicious Babushka Thu, Aug 13, 2009 2:14:41pm |
re: #94 buzzsawmonkey
At the risk of appearing unfeeling, I think that Shalit would have been better off if Hamas murdered him soon after he was captured. The notion of his lingering for years as their captive is nauseating.
I don't believe Hamas savages have the discipline to keep him alive.
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quiet man Thu, Aug 13, 2009 2:15:39pm |
re: #98 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
You mean the amount of goods and energy that comes from Israel into Gaza, right??
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quiet man Thu, Aug 13, 2009 2:16:45pm |
re: #100 Alouette
I agree with you...if he were alive they would have made a deal long ago.
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Kragar Thu, Aug 13, 2009 2:17:19pm |
re: #101 quiet man
You mean the amount of goods and energy that comes from Israel into Gaza, right??
And the West Bank, of course I was only thinking about since Hamas took over Gaza, factored out since 67, it probably does dwarf the US in Iraq
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eon Thu, Aug 13, 2009 2:17:51pm |
re: #75 CaptObviousman
Well color me surprised.
I've never understood why the media considers it "in it's best interest" to not cover this stuff.
As a general rule, the "progressive narrative" is the orthodoxy within the echo chamber that is the MSM's newsrooms. Part of that "narrative" is the "Inevitable Triumph" of world socialism, and all of its associated phenomenon- such as the Palestinian movement- because it's just, well, correct ("erroneous neither in fact or philosophy", to use a phrase from the Catholic Church's debate over the heliocentric theory translated into English).
With that in mind, and cognizant of their self-perceived future role' as the "king makers" in a post-modern, post-democracy, post- Evil Western Civilization world... they aren't about to do anything to impede, or offend, those they see as their future partners in rule.
Of course, they never get around to asking those entities their own opinion of themselves (the MSM). If they did, they might be having second thoughts about being so accommodating.
Or they could, of course, just study history; it's always been SOP with the Islamists to behead those who betrayed their own people to assist an Islamist conquest first, on the grounds of not leaving them free to betray the Islamists in turn.
But equally of course, one of the conceits of the "post-modern" mindset is that history doesn't apply to them, either.
cheers
eon
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Ben Hur Thu, Aug 13, 2009 2:20:07pm |
re: #60 reloadingisnotahobby
The reality is the "civilians" were harboring ,aiding and protecting!
I've said it before ...If ya do that here in the states with a murderous felon you get what ya deserve!
I know the reality and your arguement certainly is true to some extent.
But there definately is some "Not in my backyard" feelings from civilians that, though they support the groups, don't care to have their families or houses destroyed because some hamasniks need their house to attack IDF soldiers.
When Gilo was being fired upon nightly back in the day, from a neighboring Arab village, no one thought that it was the owners of the house or even villagers from that village doing the firing.
They were most definately herded into the bathroom and told to STFU and take it.
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NY Nana Thu, Aug 13, 2009 2:21:30pm |
For anyone who is interested in the truth re Israel, I find Honest Reporting the best place to go. I get their newsletter.
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Ben Hur Thu, Aug 13, 2009 2:22:41pm |
re: #63 Joo-LiZ
"Kidnapped" Soldier Update:
Roll call turns up nobody missing.
Now we just have to see if this mysterious "Al-Quds" Terrorist group that claimed responsibility dissappears or comes up with something substantive.
Thank G-d.
It could've been an exercise. I've participated in mock "IDF Soldier Kidnapped" exercises when I served at check points.
It caused a shitload of traffic, but the Israelis understood- because they all serve at one point or another.
We got so sick of answering the "what happened" questions that we said that Michael Jordan was here on a peace mission and went missing!
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Dianna Thu, Aug 13, 2009 2:23:54pm |
re: #93 Killgore Trout
No, They're ceramic coated.
I like their weight, and how even their heat distribution is.
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Killgore Trout Thu, Aug 13, 2009 2:26:06pm |
re: #108 Dianna
I'll test them out tonight. I got tired of my old non stick pots shedding teflon flakes into my food.
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callahan23 Thu, Aug 13, 2009 2:26:46pm |
re: #106 NY Nana
For anyone who is interested in the truth re Israel, I find Honest Reporting the best place to go. I get their newsletter.
I concur entirely, it is the best source of 'setting the record straight'. I also receive their newsletter. This is their latest newsletter.
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Creeping Eruption Thu, Aug 13, 2009 2:27:35pm |
re: #109 Killgore Trout
I'll test them out tonight. I got tired of my old non stick pots shedding teflon flakes into my food.
Pepper flakes. You tell guests they are pepper flakes./
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Occasional Reader Thu, Aug 13, 2009 2:32:06pm |
Those evil Israelis broke up yet another peaceful Palestinian "surprise guest" dinner party! IT'S GENOCIDE, I TELLSYA!
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samsgran1948 Thu, Aug 13, 2009 2:32:49pm |
re: #76 Killgore Trout
ATTN: Foodies
I bought a set of Chantal cookware today. Has anyone used them before?
Holy cow! One of those sets costs more than every pot and pan in my house! (Sorry. Not meant to be a snarky critique. It's just that I'm not a foodie, and I turn positively green around the gills when I see the prices on "foodie" cookware.)
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NY Nana Thu, Aug 13, 2009 2:39:05pm |
re: #110 callahan23
Thanks! I trust them implicitly, and only regret that they had to be formed because of the vile, outrageous articles against the Jews. Saying that? They are just the best.
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Morganfrost Thu, Aug 13, 2009 2:40:10pm |
re: #51 midwestgak
The wall was actually a pretty good idea. And, yes, the Israelis get their hands slapped no matter what they do-- since they can count on being accused of the most heinous of all possible offenses merely for building a wall, they might as well quit trying holding back.
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mrbaracuda Thu, Aug 13, 2009 2:47:09pm |
Now that was anticlimatic. :-D
Evening lizards!
Good to see they work so closely together and can nap terrorists with the use of air force footage! :-)
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gregb Thu, Aug 13, 2009 3:47:20pm |
I remember when all the US loonies went over to Iraq before the very first gulf war and then were completely *shocked, shocked* when Saddam was actually going to deploy them at sites.
On a completely different subject, have you seen the comments at YouTube lately? I was just now reading the Sheila Jackson-Lee ones and I have to say, the only explanation I can think of is that there are paid political agitators out there planting false-flag information. The only other explanation is that we're all a nation of uneducated bigots who can't see past the end of our nose (or other body part).
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kansas Thu, Aug 13, 2009 3:50:18pm |
I with HRW on this one. I have searched all over my neighborhood and have found no evidence of Hamas doing anything wrong./
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Macker Thu, Aug 13, 2009 4:08:00pm |
re: #42 buzzsawmonkey
1,000,000 updings! just for pissing off Roger Waters!
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Macker Thu, Aug 13, 2009 4:09:55pm |
re: #95 buster
I remember being amazed a week or two ago when Charles posted a thread about HRW being on the right side of something or other. I forget now exactly what it was but it seemed as if Hell had indeed frozen over.
It is safe to say Hell is back to normal.
Which means the Detroit Lions won't win the Super Bowl any time soon.
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flyovercountry Thu, Aug 13, 2009 4:15:01pm |
re: #1 Sharmuta
Which makes you have to wonder how hard they looked.
I haven't wondered since the 70's. The U.N. flag has been flown next to terrorist flags for quite some time in almost every country in the region. The sole purpose of the corrupt organization called the U.N. has been Israel bashing for decades now. My daughter recently returned from Tel-Aviv, and notes that the UN and Hamas actually share buildings in Gaza. The UN and Hizbellah share buildings in Lebanon. If it even crossed their mind to look, I'd be surprised.
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Coracle Thu, Aug 13, 2009 4:39:48pm |
re: #80 Dianna
Followed shortly by: IDF had to regretfully announce that these civilians were hideously tortured and mutilated after being identified in this video.
Martyrs for the cause of peace. It would be a change of pace for the Palestinians to have them for that cause. Might start weakening Hamas' hold.
But maybe that's still too cold of me. What I really wish would be to see would be the IDF surrounding the house and having the civilians toss out the terrorist's dead body. No one need be ID'd.
Yeah, I know. A man can dream, cant he?
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