Advertisers Bailing on Beck

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Glenn Beck’s increasing lunacy is having an effect — major advertisers are deserting his show.

NEW YORK (MarketWatch) — In what is shaping up to be one of the more effective boycott campaigns in years, advertisers are abandoning the “Glenn Beck” show on Fox News following the host’s incendiary comments that President Barack Obama is a “racist” and has a “deep-seated hatred for white people.”

Among the advertisers to pull spots from the popular cable talk show are Geico, owned by Warren Buffett’s Berkshire Hathaway (BRK .A 101,550, -600.00, -0.59%) (BRK .B 3,329, -26.13, -0.78%) ; Procter & Gamble (PG 51.93, -0.37, -0.71%) ; Sargento Cheese; and Progressive Insurance (PGR 16.26, -0.17, -1.04%) , according to the companies and Color of Change, one group that is organizing a campaign against the program.

Beck, who made the remarks during another Fox News program late last month, is among the network’s biggest draws, pulling in an average of about 2 million viewers. (Fox News is a unit of News Corp. (NWS 12.61, -0.40, -3.08%) , which also owns MarketWatch, the publisher of this report.)

Geico didn’t respond to a request for comment but sent Color of Change an email saying it had “instructed its ad-buying service to redistribute its inventory of rotational spots on [Fox] to their other network programs, exclusive of the Glenn Beck program.”

Privately held Sargento told its media buyer not to put any of its ads in Beck’s show, said a spokeswoman.

“We market our products to people regardless of their political affiliations,” she said. “Yet we do not want to be associated with hateful speech used by either liberal or conservative television hosts.”

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463 comments
1 apachegunner  Fri, Aug 14, 2009 9:16:01am

i'll be interested in seeing how it plays out

2 Sharmuta  Fri, Aug 14, 2009 9:16:54am

Who can blame them?

3 Honorary Yooper  Fri, Aug 14, 2009 9:17:26am

Well, if you're a big enough nutjob and crybaby on the air, advertisers won't want to the associated with you. Will Beck learn a lesson from this? Probably not.

4 BlueCanuck  Fri, Aug 14, 2009 9:17:49am

I am not surprised that advertisers don't want their name associated with this nuttiness. Their name is their most valuable product.

5 Sharmuta  Fri, Aug 14, 2009 9:17:57am

re: #3 Honorary Yooper

Well, if you're a big enough nutjob and crybaby on the air, advertisers won't want to the associated with you. Will Beck learn a lesson from this? Probably not.

Maybe he'll cry on air about it.

6 Ben Hur  Fri, Aug 14, 2009 9:18:19am

They'll find new ones.

Cash is king.

7 BlueCanuck  Fri, Aug 14, 2009 9:18:22am

re: #3 Honorary Yooper

Well, if you're a big enough nutjob and crybaby on the air, advertisers won't want to the associated with you. Will Beck learn a lesson from this? Probably not.

He will just scream that they are trying to censor him.

/truth to the power type stuff...

8 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Aug 14, 2009 9:18:29am

That's their options. And it's Beck's option to keep up the craziness or make adjustments. That's the business, show business.

9 tfc3rid  Fri, Aug 14, 2009 9:18:31am

He actually doesn't care and wears it as a badge of honor.

10 apachegunner  Fri, Aug 14, 2009 9:18:37am

seems counter productive, pull the ads and lose the millions of people's attention who watch the show. must be a new type economy when you don't go where the people are to sell a product.

11 MrSilverDragon  Fri, Aug 14, 2009 9:19:22am

Maybe he'll find some new sponsors, like Stelazine or Haldol, or some other anti-psychotics.

12 Dianna  Fri, Aug 14, 2009 9:19:50am

re: #8 Walter L. Newton

That's their options. And it's Beck's option to keep up the craziness or make adjustments. That's the business, show business.

Everything about it is appealing,
Everything the traffic will allow!

13 apachegunner  Fri, Aug 14, 2009 9:20:21am

personally, i don't buy any of those products anyway and their commercials did nothing to prod me to do so.

14 [deleted]  Fri, Aug 14, 2009 9:20:36am
15 Sharmuta  Fri, Aug 14, 2009 9:20:48am

re: #10 apachegunner

They're still advertising on Fox, just not on Beck's show:

For advertisers, "the halo of the show means you are connected with supporting that point of view," said John Greening, a Northwestern University professor of marketing who spent 28 years in the advertising business. "It is not about awareness but about association."

They don't want to be associated with a kook.

16 doppelganglander  Fri, Aug 14, 2009 9:20:49am

If anything will make Fox pressure him to tone it down, this will be it.

17 Dianna  Fri, Aug 14, 2009 9:20:49am

re: #10 apachegunner

seems counter productive, pull the ads and lose the millions of people's attention who watch the show. must be a new type economy when you don't go where the people are to sell a product.

I've watched a few clips, and I would have second thoughts about buying an product that wanted to be associated with Beck.

18 apachegunner  Fri, Aug 14, 2009 9:20:56am

and your right, their places will be filled shortly after departure

19 DrNaughty  Fri, Aug 14, 2009 9:21:12am

re: #10 apachegunner

seems counter productive, pull the ads and lose the millions of people's attention who watch the show. must be a new type economy when you don't go where the people are to sell a product.

It is. And the fact remains that as long as Beck gets the ratings he's getting, other sponsors will just fill the spots.

20 Dianna  Fri, Aug 14, 2009 9:21:20am

re: #13 apachegunner

personally, i don't buy any of those products anyway and their commercials did nothing to prod me to do so.

You buy P&G, I'll bet.

21 Shug  Fri, Aug 14, 2009 9:21:28am

Interestingly enough, his sponsorships from Abilify, Zoloft and Lithium is soaring

22 Sharmuta  Fri, Aug 14, 2009 9:21:33am

re: #14 buzzsawmonkey

It would be interesting to compare advertising loss experienced by emoters across the spectrum, e.g., Olbermann as well as Beck, Maddow as well as Hannity, etc.

From the link:

By contrast, when Bill Maher was hosting "Politically Incorrect," his comments about the relative courage of the terrorists who attacked the World Trade Center on Sept. 11, 2001, set off a firestorm. Several big companies including Fedex and Sears Holding yanked their ads, and some affiliates refused to run the show. It eventually dwindled away and was canceled early the next year, although Maher himself now has a popular program on ad-free HBO.

23 Spider Mensch  Fri, Aug 14, 2009 9:21:37am

re: #12 Dianna

Everything about it is appealing,
Everything the traffic will allow!

damn it now I got ethel mermann singing in my head...that voice will be with me all day...crap!

24 freedomplow  Fri, Aug 14, 2009 9:21:58am

Powerful PR Firm Helps Campaign to Get Glenn Beck Off The Air

As NewsBuster Matthew Vadum reported Wednesday, a race-baiting group named Color Of Change -- co-founded by President Obama's "Green Jobs Czar" Van Jones -- has launched a campaign to get companies to stop advertising on Glenn Beck's television program.

25 apachegunner  Fri, Aug 14, 2009 9:22:00am

re: #15 Sharmuta

They're still advertising on Fox, just not on Beck's show:


They don't want to be associated with a kook.


sure, i really, really believe a northwestern professor. i'd listen to him about as fast as he would me.

26 Charpete67  Fri, Aug 14, 2009 9:22:12am

with three kids and TIVO, I haven't seen many ads in years.

27 Shug  Fri, Aug 14, 2009 9:22:13am

Glad that's one less show where I have to see that annoying Gecko

28 quiet man  Fri, Aug 14, 2009 9:22:20am

Yes, he is turning into a sort of Kieth Olbermann-lite.

29 eschew_obfuscation  Fri, Aug 14, 2009 9:22:36am

re: #10 apachegunner

seems counter productive, pull the ads and lose the millions of people's attention who watch the show. must be a new type economy when you don't go where the people are to sell a product.

I mentioned this on an earlier thread and I'm not sure who the players are from the other advertisers that pulled out, but Peter Lewis, the head of Progressive Insurance, is a good buddy of George Soros and big time lefty contributor. There may be no connection there, but it's interesting.

I won't buy Progressive Insurance unless it the only company offering what I need. My agent pushes it all the time.

30 Dianna  Fri, Aug 14, 2009 9:22:38am

re: #23 Spider Mensch

damn it now I got ethel mermann singing in my head...that voice will be with me all day...crap!

Bwahahahaha!

31 apachegunner  Fri, Aug 14, 2009 9:22:46am

re: #17 Dianna

I've watched a few clips, and I would have second thoughts about buying an product that wanted to be associated with Beck.


odd, i've never thought of an advertiser as a supporter but more like a leech

32 KingKenrod  Fri, Aug 14, 2009 9:22:50am

I find it hard to believe Progressive Insurance ever advertised on Beck's show.

But I love it when the market speaks. Wake up, Fox!

33 [deleted]  Fri, Aug 14, 2009 9:22:54am
34 apachegunner  Fri, Aug 14, 2009 9:23:10am

re: #20 Dianna

You buy P&G, I'll bet.


think so?

35 Charles Johnson  Fri, Aug 14, 2009 9:23:14am

re: #29 eschew_obfuscation

I mentioned this on an earlier thread and I'm not sure who the players are from the other advertisers that pulled out, but Peter Lewis, the head of Progressive Insurance, is a good buddy of George Soros and big time lefty contributor. There may be no connection there, but it's interesting.

I won't buy Progressive Insurance unless it the only company offering what I need. My agent pushes it all the time.

And they were advertising on the Glenn Beck show, until they couldn't ignore his craziness any more.

36 tfc3rid  Fri, Aug 14, 2009 9:23:16am

re: #24 freedomplow

Beck has been extremely anti-Van Jones for months now if you listen to him on radio...

37 elgato  Fri, Aug 14, 2009 9:23:38am

Trust me, I'm not a Glenn Beck fan. He's simply nuts. But I question advertisers being pressured by a group to bail on Beck's show when the group organizing the protests was founded by a man serving in the Obama White House.

From [Link: colorofchange.org...] --

Van Jones (Co-founder, inactive)

While Van hasn't been active in the work of ColorOfChange in recent years, we are proud of where his work las led him. After helping ColorOfChange get started in 2005, Van moved on to other pursuits. In 2007, he founded and served as the executive director of Green For All, an organization dedicated to creating opportunities for low-income communities connected to the greater effort of addressing climate change. Van now serves as Special Advisor for Green Jobs at the White House Council on Environmental Quality.

From [Link: www.whitehouse.gov...] --

The White House Council on Environmental Quality (CEQ) Chair Nancy Sutley announced yesterday that Van Jones – an early green jobs visionary -- will start Monday as Special Advisor for Green Jobs, Enterprise and Innovation at CEQ:

Van Jones has been a strong voice for green jobs and we look forward to having him work with departments and agencies to advance the President’s agenda of creating 21st century jobs that improve energy efficiency and utilize renewable resources. Jones will also help to shape and advance the Administration’s energy and climate initiatives with a specific interest in improvements and opportunities for vulnerable communities



Jones is the founder of Green For All, an organization focused on creating green jobs in impoverished areas. He is also the co-founder of the Ella Baker Center for Human Rights and Color of Change, and was the author of the 2008 New York Times best-seller, The Green Collar Economy.

38 MandyManners  Fri, Aug 14, 2009 9:23:53am

This is one street in the market-place of ideas.

39 Honorary Yooper  Fri, Aug 14, 2009 9:24:08am

re: #11 MrSilverDragon

Maybe he'll find some new sponsors, like Stelazine or Haldol, or some other anti-psychotics.

Here's a few new advertisers for Beck's show:

Ghostbusters
Beetleguise
Damnitol
Fuckitol
Wally World

40 DrNaughty  Fri, Aug 14, 2009 9:24:13am

re: #37 elgato

Trust me, I'm not a Glenn Beck fan. He's simply nuts. But I question advertisers being pressured by a group to bail on Beck's show when the group organizing the protests was founded by a man serving in the Obama White House.

From [Link: colorofchange.org...] --

Oh, I'm certain that's just "coincidental"...

41 Dianna  Fri, Aug 14, 2009 9:24:18am

re: #34 apachegunner

think so?

It's an awfully big company, so I suspect you may be doing so without being aware of it.

42 JustABill  Fri, Aug 14, 2009 9:24:19am

re: #21 Shug

Interestingly enough, his sponsorships from Abilify, Zoloft and Lithium is soaring

Perhaps the message should just be to encourage the viewers to take their pill(s) today. Wouldn't want to have to tear gas and drag them out of their vehicle...

43 apachegunner  Fri, Aug 14, 2009 9:24:32am

re: #24 freedomplow

Powerful PR Firm Helps Campaign to Get Glenn Beck Off The Air

As NewsBuster Matthew Vadum reported Wednesday, a race-baiting group named Color Of Change -- co-founded by President Obama's "Green Jobs Czar" Van Jones -- has launched a campaign to get companies to stop advertising on Glenn Beck's television program.


ha! so we have fingerprints of the administration again huh? surprise, surprise

44 Shug  Fri, Aug 14, 2009 9:24:52am

Just wondering if these companies still advertise on MSNBC?

Just as crazy and offensive
1/5th the audience

45 Charles Johnson  Fri, Aug 14, 2009 9:25:06am

re: #37 elgato

Trust me, I'm not a Glenn Beck fan. He's simply nuts. But I question advertisers being pressured by a group to bail on Beck's show when the group organizing the protests was founded by a man serving in the Obama White House.

From [Link: colorofchange.org...] --

They're right. No advertiser wants to be linked with kind of lunacy Glenn Beck spews.

46 Pianobuff  Fri, Aug 14, 2009 9:25:12am

But he's picked up these advertisers in their place:

#1

#2

#3

47 itellu3times  Fri, Aug 14, 2009 9:25:31am

Maybe the Muslima sites that Googlesense assigns to LGF, can start running some TV adds on Beck.

48 Sharmuta  Fri, Aug 14, 2009 9:25:32am

re: #33 buzzsawmonkey

Interesting. But the reaction to Maher was a one-shot; Beck, and Olbermann, are both consistently over the top in pandering to their respective constituencies.

And they'll keep doing so until they are a liability to their networks. This is the first step in letting the networks know there's a problem. A drop in viewership would be more effective, but advertisers play a big role too.

49 DrNaughty  Fri, Aug 14, 2009 9:25:43am

re: #43 apachegunner

ha! so we have fingerprints of the administration again huh? surprise, surprise

The Hussein Administration is more Machiavelli than Machiavelli could have possibly imagined...

50 Kosh's Shadow  Fri, Aug 14, 2009 9:26:24am

He's going to lose the Beck Shampoo ads, but he'll get Johnson and Johnson's "No more tears" shampoo.

51 apachegunner  Fri, Aug 14, 2009 9:26:35am

re: #41 Dianna

It's an awfully big company, so I suspect you may be doing so without being aware of it.


yes, your probably right but if I could isolate it I would kill it

52 pingjockey  Fri, Aug 14, 2009 9:26:36am

If you spout looney shit, advertisers don't want to be associated with it. Money talks, BS walks.

53 Honorary Yooper  Fri, Aug 14, 2009 9:26:57am

re: #47 itellu3times

Maybe the Muslima sites that Googlesense assigns to LGF, can start running some TV adds on Beck.

That'd be rather ironic, given the substance of Beck's show.

54 DrNaughty  Fri, Aug 14, 2009 9:27:16am

re: #52 pingjockey

If you spout looney shit, advertisers don't want to be associated with it. Money talks, BS walks.

Ratings take precedence

55 wrenchwench  Fri, Aug 14, 2009 9:27:24am

I think Progressive is saying they weren't on Beck's show on purpose before:

Because of the way ad time is often bought on cable -- in bulk and with an eye toward demographics and so-called day parts -- some of the targeted companies' ads may well have ended up on the program by mistake and in violation of their own standards. If so, it was an error that some advertisers vowed not to repeat.

"We place advertising on a variety of programming with the goal of reaching a broad range of insurance consumers who might be interested in our products," said a spokeswoman for Progressive. "We also seek to avoid advertising on programming that our customers or potential customers may find extremely offensive."

The Glenn Beck show wasn't "targeted," she added, and "any advertising that may have appeared on the show was a result of an error."

56 apachegunner  Fri, Aug 14, 2009 9:27:30am

re: #44 Shug

Just wondering if these companies still advertise on MSNBC?

Just as crazy and offensive
1/5th the audience


good question and I'll be it is a big YES

57 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Aug 14, 2009 9:27:34am

re: #45 Charles

They're right. No advertiser wants to be linked with kind of lunacy Glenn Beck spews.

You can't make a all inclusive statement like that. Some advertisers may want to be linked to Beck's brand of crazy. Look at the advertisers in tabloids, look at the advertisers on MSNBC.

Companies will advertise where there is a market. If there is a niche, they will fill it. Like it or not. And the consumer is free to make their own decision.

58 DrNaughty  Fri, Aug 14, 2009 9:27:55am

re: #55 wrenchwench

I think Progressive is saying they weren't on Beck's show on purpose before:

Uh huh.. absolutely..

59 Charpete67  Fri, Aug 14, 2009 9:28:08am

re: #26 Charpete67

with three kids and TIVO, I haven't seen many ads in years.

...on another somewhat related note...almost every ad on the Golf channel is for Extenze or Viargara...I don't know what they know about people who watch that channel, but, I can't watch the channel anymore because my kids were running around singing "Viva Viagara" and my 6 year old keeps asking me why someone would want to take ExTenze...I just told him that some men want to be able to pee around corners...but that answer won't hold water for long.

60 apachegunner  Fri, Aug 14, 2009 9:28:15am

re: #45 Charles

They're right. No advertiser wants to be linked with kind of lunacy Glenn Beck spews.


Charles, how many times have you dirtyed your ears with that program?

61 pingjockey  Fri, Aug 14, 2009 9:28:18am

re: #54 DrNaughty
That is a fact. His rating are or were good. But crazy is still crazy.

62 Dianna  Fri, Aug 14, 2009 9:28:32am

re: #51 apachegunner

yes, your probably right but if I could isolate it I would kill it

Why? They make soap and other cleaning products. I don't tend to have all that much against soap makers.

63 Charles Johnson  Fri, Aug 14, 2009 9:28:33am

re: #57 Walter L. Newton

You can't make a all inclusive statement like that. Some advertisers may want to be linked to Beck's brand of crazy. Look at the advertisers in tabloids, look at the advertisers on MSNBC.

Companies will advertise where there is a market. If there is a niche, they will fill it. Like it or not. And the consumer is free to make their own decision.

OK, let's rephrase, to please the pedant -- no responsible advertiser wants to be associated with that kind of insanity.

64 Lynn B.  Fri, Aug 14, 2009 9:28:40am
Privately held Sargento told its media buyer not to put any of its ads in Beck's show, said a spokeswoman.

"We market our products to people regardless of their political affiliations," she said. "Yet we do not want to be associated with hateful speech used by either liberal or conservative television hosts."

Excellent. Good for them.

65 yesandno  Fri, Aug 14, 2009 9:28:50am

Glenn is crazy...and I like him.

66 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Aug 14, 2009 9:28:51am

re: #52 pingjockey

If you spout looney shit, advertisers don't want to be associated with it. Money talks, BS walks.

No always so. Look at the advertisers on MSNBC and in tabloids. Pick up a tabloid and see who advertises. Business is business. Company's only care about selling, and they will find the buyers.

67 DrNaughty  Fri, Aug 14, 2009 9:29:20am

re: #64 Lynn B.

Excellent. Good for them.

I'll look for Sargento Cheese ads on MSNBC ...

68 Honorary Yooper  Fri, Aug 14, 2009 9:29:29am

re: #59 Charpete67

Agreed. I also had enough of those damned Enzyte commercials with Smilin' Bob when they were on the air.

69 Kosh's Shadow  Fri, Aug 14, 2009 9:29:33am

re: #59 Charpete67

...on another somewhat related note...almost every ad on the Golf channel is for Extenze or Viargara...I don't know what they know about people who watch that channel, but, I can't watch the channel anymore because my kids were running around singing "Viva Viagara" and my 6 year old keeps asking me why someone would want to take ExTenze...I just told him that some men want to be able to pee around corners...but that answer won't hold water for long.

Same with the Military Channel.
I guess some old soldiers have trouble standing at attention.

70 pingjockey  Fri, Aug 14, 2009 9:30:04am

re: #66 Walter L. Newton
Y'all are correct of course. Should have moderated that a bit!
How's things on the mountain Walter?

71 DrNaughty  Fri, Aug 14, 2009 9:30:10am

re: #68 Honorary Yooper

Agreed. I also had enough of those damned Enzyte commercials with Smilin' Bob when they were on the air.

They must have had to work very hard to find the Cheesiest looking people for their ads...

72 apachegunner  Fri, Aug 14, 2009 9:30:28am

re: #62 Dianna

Why? They make soap and other cleaning products. I don't tend to have all that much against soap makers.


awww, I am sorry, I am just be onry dianna. must be cause I gotta work tomorrow :>(

73 Shug  Fri, Aug 14, 2009 9:30:38am

Those Sargento adds are so cheesy

74 pingjockey  Fri, Aug 14, 2009 9:30:55am

I absolutely loathe all those damn male enhancement ads.

75 Dianna  Fri, Aug 14, 2009 9:30:55am

re: #63 Charles

OK, let's rephrase, to please the pedant -- no responsible advertiser wants to be associated with that kind of insanity.

I just had one of those moments, in which "responsible" and "advertiser" didn't belong in the same paragraph, never mind next to each other.

76 DrNaughty  Fri, Aug 14, 2009 9:30:58am

re: #73 Shug

Those Sargento adds are so cheesy

lol good one

77 JustABill  Fri, Aug 14, 2009 9:31:02am

re: #69 Kosh's Shadow

Same with the Military Channel.
I guess some old soldiers have trouble standing at attention.

This is my rifle, this is my gun...

78 MrSilverDragon  Fri, Aug 14, 2009 9:31:11am

re: #71 DrNaughty

They must have had to work very hard to find the Cheesiest looking people for their ads...

Not really. I can do a 360 in my chair and see plenty of possible candidates. (And, I'm sure, they'd probably say the same if they were to do it.)

79 Kosh's Shadow  Fri, Aug 14, 2009 9:31:29am

re: #68 Honorary Yooper

Agreed. I also had enough of those damned Enzyte commercials with Smilin' Bob when they were on the air.

They're still on the air.
Unfortunately.

However, my wife can tolerate the ads, and my dogs don't care. (They only paid attention to animals, but they have figured out the animals aren't where they can get them, so they don't watch anymore.)

80 doppelganglander  Fri, Aug 14, 2009 9:32:07am

re: #59 Charpete67

...on another somewhat related note...almost every ad on the Golf channel is for Extenze or Viargara...I don't know what they know about people who watch that channel, but, I can't watch the channel anymore because my kids were running around singing "Viva Viagara" and my 6 year old keeps asking me why someone would want to take ExTenze...I just told him that some men want to be able to pee around corners...but that answer won't hold water for long.

I watch a lot of the History Channel and its sister channels, as well as various Discovery Channels. I see way too many ads for denture cream, mobility scooters, AARP and burial insurance. How old do they think I am?!

81 quiet man  Fri, Aug 14, 2009 9:32:10am

I guess Oreilly still leds the pack in ratings and the rest of Fox is still head and shoulders above the rest of the tainted cable news shows.

82 Charpete67  Fri, Aug 14, 2009 9:32:13am

re: #68 Honorary Yooper

Agreed. I also had enough of those damned Enzyte commercials with Smilin' Bob when they were on the air.

there's one ad for Extenze that I think is actually hilarious...it really looks like it's one of those fake ad parodies on SNL...

83 yesandno  Fri, Aug 14, 2009 9:32:14am

Beck stated that he discontinued the GM advertizing contract, worth about a million a year because HE could no longer feel good about pushing the product.

84 Lynn B.  Fri, Aug 14, 2009 9:32:20am

re: #62 Dianna

Why? They make soap and other cleaning products. I don't tend to have all that much against soap makers.

Tide, Charmin, Pampers, Bounty, Pringles, Crest, Cheer, Zest, Braun (appliances), Tampax, Metamucil, Pepto-Bismol ...

Just to name a few

85 Dianna  Fri, Aug 14, 2009 9:32:27am

re: #72 apachegunner

awww, I am sorry, I am just be onry dianna. must be cause I gotta work tomorrow :>(

My Male has to do that next weekend. It's already making me cranky!

86 opnion  Fri, Aug 14, 2009 9:32:37am

The Surprise is that either Geico or Progressive Insurance advertise at all
on FNC. The CEsO of Progreessive is a huge Democrat supporter.
FNC really need to put the brakes on Becik. He is a big draw, but some decorum is not out of the question. While we're at it, Olberman is a loon, but I doubt that NBC will do anything about him.

87 apachegunner  Fri, Aug 14, 2009 9:32:44am

re: #65 yesandno

Glenn is crazy...and I like him.


He also gets far off the past of sanity but you must think about the whole total thing. What percent of what he says do you disagree with? If it's more that 50% then I don't much agree with you. (now you yesandno, but who ever answers the question) GB spouts a lot of stuff I think is important to think about.

88 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Aug 14, 2009 9:33:04am

re: #63 Charles

OK, let's rephrase, to please the pedant -- no responsible advertiser wants to be associated with that kind of insanity.

Thank you... and here is a list of responsible companies who advertise on MSNBC...

Verizon
Intuit/TurboTax
Pearle Vision
Office Depot
Bayer
Toyota

To name a few. You may like to see companies be responsible and pull ads and support from certain shows and outlets, but bottom line is, follow the money.

And for full disclosure, I don't like Beck at all.

89 quiet man  Fri, Aug 14, 2009 9:33:32am

speaking of "a huge Democrat supporters" If Edwards get put in prison with Bernie Madoff..who gets the top bunk??

90 Kosh's Shadow  Fri, Aug 14, 2009 9:33:37am

re: #82 Charpete67

there's one ad for Extenze that I think is actually hilarious...it really looks like it's one of those fake ad parodies on SNL...

Is that one where the woman (whose "acting" skills indicate her previous experience was probably in pr0n) says "it's real science!"

91 Dianna  Fri, Aug 14, 2009 9:33:42am

re: #79 Kosh's Shadow

They're still on the air.
Unfortunately.

However, my wife can tolerate the ads, and my dogs don't care. (They only paid attention to animals, but they have figured out the animals aren't where they can get them, so they don't watch anymore.)

Remember that CGI ad with the dancing elephant a few years back? My corgi loved that ad.

92 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Aug 14, 2009 9:34:26am

re: #70 pingjockey

Y'all are correct of course. Should have moderated that a bit!
How's things on the mountain Walter?

Cloudy, damp and a bit chilly. I'll be down to Golden around noon to get to work at the theatre. It will be a bit warmer down there.

93 apachegunner  Fri, Aug 14, 2009 9:34:40am

re: #85 Dianna

My Male has to do that next weekend. It's already making me cranky!


well settle down dianna, it is going to be ok.

94 Charpete67  Fri, Aug 14, 2009 9:35:09am

re: #90 Kosh's Shadow

Is that one where the woman (whose "acting" skills indicate her previous experience was probably in pr0n) says "it's real science!"

yes...she's there with her husband and they start out explaining how skeptical they were, but in the end how great it was...

95 Honorary Yooper  Fri, Aug 14, 2009 9:35:19am

re: #65 yesandno

Glenn is crazy...and I like him.

Why?

Glenn is completely bonkers, and may even require a padded cell, IMHO. He cries on the air, lies, and promotes people who I find unsavory. I wonder why I even thought he might be good to see when he was on CNN HN.

So, why do you like him, yesandno?

96 Lynn B.  Fri, Aug 14, 2009 9:35:23am

re: #87 apachegunner

He also gets far off the past of sanity but you must think about the whole total thing. What percent of what he says do you disagree with? If it's more that 50% then I don't much agree with you. (now you yesandno, but who ever answers the question) GB spouts a lot of stuff I think is important to think about.

Like what, for instance?

97 Charles Johnson  Fri, Aug 14, 2009 9:35:27am

re: #88 Walter L. Newton

Thank you... and here is a list of responsible companies who advertise on MSNBC...

Verizon
Intuit/TurboTax
Pearle Vision
Office Depot
Bayer
Toyota

To name a few. You may like to see companies be responsible and pull ads and support from certain shows and outlets, but bottom line is, follow the money.

And for full disclosure, I don't like Beck at all.

So what? If you have a point here, besides the usual nitpicking, I fail to see it.

98 yesandno  Fri, Aug 14, 2009 9:35:57am

re: #87 apachegunner

He also gets far off the past of sanity but you must think about the whole total thing. What percent of what he says do you disagree with? If it's more that 50% then I don't much agree with you. (now you yesandno, but who ever answers the question) GB spouts a lot of stuff I think is important to think about.

I couldn't agree more...one day he will look brilliant to people who think he is stupid right now.

99 gregb  Fri, Aug 14, 2009 9:36:10am

It's not like nobody saw that coming. (That's not a double negative).

100 Honorary Yooper  Fri, Aug 14, 2009 9:36:39am

re: #98 yesandno

I couldn't agree more...one day he will look brilliant to people who think he is stupid right now.

I sincerely doubt that.

101 Sharmuta  Fri, Aug 14, 2009 9:36:50am
"Beck's demagoguery crossed the line of the socially expected taste level, and I can't think of a company on the planet who wants to be a part of that conversation," Greening said. "It is a no-brainer to pull your ads."

Again- who can blame them? Would you really want to sell your product on a show telling people that the president is hitler or would you find a better venue to sell your wares?

102 MrSilverDragon  Fri, Aug 14, 2009 9:37:00am

re: #99 gregb

It's not like nobody saw that coming. (That's not a double negative).

That's not not false. (That is a double negative.)

;)

103 Nimbus  Fri, Aug 14, 2009 9:37:01am

I don't think in the long run boycotts really work. I think his show will always find someone to advertise on. The last half hour of his show is mostly ads anyway. I use that time to unload the dishwasher, so I try and watch as few as ads as possible. I do watch his show and sometimes it does get ridiculous but it has made me look into things a little more and some of his "information" is correct and interesting...

104 pingjockey  Fri, Aug 14, 2009 9:37:03am

re: #92 Walter L. Newton
We finally have some rain today. The last two weeks have been hairy for the Forest Service and local FDs due to triple digit temps and no rain and dry lightning. Luckily no major fires and we're getting a good soak now.

105 apachegunner  Fri, Aug 14, 2009 9:37:26am

re: #96 Lynn B.

Like what, for instance?

I can tell by the inflection of your question you are one of the more than 50% people. I have no time for you, its too late.

106 Charles Johnson  Fri, Aug 14, 2009 9:38:06am

re: #98 yesandno

I couldn't agree more...one day he will look brilliant to people who think he is stupid right now.

Right. When all the conservatives are sitting in FEMA camps, and the Democrats rule the world with their master race created through eugenics ... wow, are we ever gonna be sorry we didn't listen to Glenn Beck.

Good grief.

107 DrNaughty  Fri, Aug 14, 2009 9:38:24am

re: #103 Nimbus

I don't think in the long run boycotts really work. I think his show will always find someone to advertise on. The last half hour of his show is mostly ads anyway. I use that time to unload the dishwasher, so I try and watch as few as ads as possible. I do watch his show and sometimes it does get ridiculous but it has made me look into things a little more and some of his "information" is correct and interesting...

We've had Boycotts (Embargoes) against Cuba for 50 years and Iran for 30 years...

Yup, they really work well don't they ?

108 apachegunner  Fri, Aug 14, 2009 9:38:31am

re: #98 yesandno

I couldn't agree more...one day he will look brilliant to people who think he is stupid right now.


i see you got the charles brigade against your karma here, just nod your head ;>)

109 Irish Rose  Fri, Aug 14, 2009 9:39:02am

Good afternoon, lizards.
I see that the morning DT was actually civil today, a refreshing change of pace :).

Big day for me today, I'm cleaning the carpets.
Woohoo.

110 sardonic  Fri, Aug 14, 2009 9:39:02am

But as some have pointed out, they'll be advertising away on Keith Olbermann's show. No problems there.

Beck is over the top and bad. (OK. I won't argue that) Olbermann? He tells it like it is.

111 pingjockey  Fri, Aug 14, 2009 9:39:11am

Is it just me or did Beck seem saner when he was on CNN?

112 quiet man  Fri, Aug 14, 2009 9:39:19am

I see Beck as akin to people like Mureen Dowd, kieth Olbermann, chris matthews...and with the same sort of credibility..they will always have an audience

113 Charles Johnson  Fri, Aug 14, 2009 9:39:26am

re: #108 apachegunner

i see you got the charles brigade against your karma here, just nod your head ;>)

Get off my website. I'm finished putting up with your sniping comments.

114 redstateredneck  Fri, Aug 14, 2009 9:39:29am

re: #24 freedomplow

Powerful PR Firm Helps Campaign to Get Glenn Beck Off The Air

As NewsBuster Matthew Vadum reported Wednesday, a race-baiting group named Color Of Change -- co-founded by President Obama's "Green Jobs Czar" Van Jones -- has launched a campaign to get companies to stop advertising on Glenn Beck's television program.


Interesting.

115 gregb  Fri, Aug 14, 2009 9:39:32am

re: #98 yesandno

I couldn't agree more...one day he will look brilliant to people who think he is stupid right now.

I think his method of addressing those issues makes him look insane. Both times I've watched him, he comes across as a slap-happy giggling lunatic. The one thing he does have going for him is that he doesn't insult the audience by pretending he's their only news source. He expects that all the news junkies are up to date as a pre-condition to understanding his show.

116 DrNaughty  Fri, Aug 14, 2009 9:39:58am

re: #111 pingjockey

Is it just me or did Beck seem saner when he was on CNN?

The last time I watched CNN was back in the 20th Century... Although when I worked in downtown Atlanta I'd go to CNN center for lunch often...

117 Charles Johnson  Fri, Aug 14, 2009 9:40:12am

Here come the sleepers again. It's pretty amazing how this happens in every Glenn Beck thread.

118 pingjockey  Fri, Aug 14, 2009 9:40:17am

re: #110 sardonic
Please tell me you forgot the sarcasm tag!

119 Pianobuff  Fri, Aug 14, 2009 9:40:20am

re: #106 Charles

Right. When all the conservatives are sitting in FEMA camps, and the Democrats rule the world with their master race created through eugenics ... wow, are we ever gonna be sorry we didn't listen to Glenn Beck.

Good grief.

Didn't AJ and Beck have a big falling out over this?

120 Charpete67  Fri, Aug 14, 2009 9:41:07am

re: #90 Kosh's Shadow

Is that one where the woman (whose "acting" skills indicate her previous experience was probably in pr0n) says "it's real science!"

Youtube Video
121 _RememberTonyC  Fri, Aug 14, 2009 9:41:56am

I was on record a long time ago questioning Beck's program and Roger Ailes' decision to allow him so much latitude. When that nut in Pittsburgh shot those cops a few months ago, I remember wondering if he was a Beck viewer/listener. But these advertisers bailing on Beck MAY have been pressured by the President's minions to drop their ads on his show. I posted about this last night with a link to a story on this subject:

[Link: www.newsmax.com...]

If these advertisers are bailing because they object to Beck's content, I have no problem with it at all. But if the story I linked to is true, there is something very chilling and sinister being done by Obama and his people and we need to be aware of it and call them on it.

122 Shug  Fri, Aug 14, 2009 9:42:20am

Glenn Beck has killed more Lizard accounts than just about any man alive

123 yesandno  Fri, Aug 14, 2009 9:42:46am

re: #95 Honorary Yooper

Why?

Glenn is completely bonkers, and may even require a padded cell, IMHO. He cries on the air, lies, and promotes people who I find unsavory. I wonder why I even thought he might be good to see when he was on CNN HN.

So, why do you like him, yesandno?


I like him because he doesn't pretend to be more then he is. He is in the process of becoming, self-taught. Sometimes that leads him off on tangents, but he keeps re-evaluating and moving forward. Some of what he reads is way off base and he sometimes doesn't get it checked by other information.

But he knows he isn't perfect...and he says what he feels because he thinks it is the truth. And he always says that EVERYONE should search out the truth for themselves: read and study all the issues, just don't take his point of view.

Know that liking Glenn that isn't a popular position here. That is ok. I se the clips and understand how people come to those conclusions. But there is more there then just the TV program for me. Sometimes his conclusions are less then perfect, but often his imformation is well documented.

124 Kenneth  Fri, Aug 14, 2009 9:42:55am

re: #97 Charles

More specific information might be interesting, such as who advertises on Olbermann's nutty show. He's certainly comparable to Beck for extremism and bombast. The advertisers mentioned at the top are pulling out of Beck's show, but they will continue to use FOX. This is a very specific objection to a very "special" person.

125 Lincolntf  Fri, Aug 14, 2009 9:43:07am

I am a Glenn Beck virgin, having never seen his show, but I kinda know who he is.
It's interesting that this boycott seems to be working, while murmurings of boycotts over Letterman's attacks on the Palin family, blatant candidate-pushing by networks, all the other things that have gotten people worked up over the last couple years, etc. have never really gotten off the ground. Maybe the corporations are listening to their customers, or maybe they're just listening to the Administration.

126 quiet man  Fri, Aug 14, 2009 9:43:08am

Beck the lizard killer

has a ring to it.

127 calcajun  Fri, Aug 14, 2009 9:43:14am

It's amazing that someone so bi-polar has had such a polarizing effect.//

128 Honorary Yooper  Fri, Aug 14, 2009 9:43:18am

re: #122 Shug

Glenn Beck has killed more Lizard accounts than just about any man alive

He's a "lizard account assassin".

129 eschew_obfuscation  Fri, Aug 14, 2009 9:44:09am

re: #35 Charles

And they were advertising on the Glenn Beck show, until they couldn't ignore his craziness any more.

And they're now saying advertising there was an accident/mistake in the first place.

130 Charles Johnson  Fri, Aug 14, 2009 9:44:32am

re: #121 _RememberTonyC

I was on record a long time ago questioning Beck's program and Roger Ailes' decision to allow him so much latitude. When that nut in Pittsburgh shot those cops a few months ago, I remember wondering if he was a Beck viewer/listener. But these advertisers bailing on Beck MAY have been pressured by the President's minions to drop their ads on his show. I posted about this last night with a link to a story on this subject:

[Link: www.newsmax.com...]

If these advertisers are bailing because they object to Beck's content, I have no problem with it at all. But if the story I linked to is true, there is something very chilling and sinister being done by Obama and his people and we need to be aware of it and call them on it.

I don't care who is asking them to stop advertising on Beck's show. It's simply a fact that the guy is spreading lunacy and hatred, and these advertisers are absolutely right to want to have nothing to do with it.

131 Darth Vader Gargoyle  Fri, Aug 14, 2009 9:44:34am

I have never watched an entire Glenn Beck show. I have tried, but even when he isn't saying crazy stuff, his whole demeanor sets my teeth on edge.

132 Ben Hur  Fri, Aug 14, 2009 9:44:36am

The Great 'Prevention' Myth

Krauthammuh.

133 Sharmuta  Fri, Aug 14, 2009 9:44:41am

re: #122 Shug

Glenn Beck has killed more Lizard accounts than just about any man alive

I think perhaps Charles Darwin might be the winner of that contest.

134 Irish Rose  Fri, Aug 14, 2009 9:44:45am

re: #113 Charles

Get off my website. I'm finished putting up with your sniping comments.

Perhaps I spoke too soon.

135 Darth Vader Gargoyle  Fri, Aug 14, 2009 9:44:51am

re: #122 Shug

More than Ron Paul?

136 Charles Johnson  Fri, Aug 14, 2009 9:45:10am

re: #129 eschew_obfuscation

And they're now saying advertising there was an accident/mistake in the first place.

Which it was.

137 Gretchen G.Tiger  Fri, Aug 14, 2009 9:45:44am

Hello Lizards! It's another hot one in The Very Far Western Suburbs of Chicagoland.

Who needs the Fairness Doctrine when individuals can vote with their dollars?

How are you-all and what are we talking about?

138 MandyManners  Fri, Aug 14, 2009 9:45:49am

I wonder if Roger Ailes has read any of my letters to him.

139 MandyManners  Fri, Aug 14, 2009 9:46:54am

Ailes, that is. Not Beck.

140 Honorary Yooper  Fri, Aug 14, 2009 9:47:04am

re: #133 Sharmuta

I think perhaps Charles Darwin might be the winner of that contest.

It's a close contest with Glenn Beck, Charles Darwin, Vlaams Belang, Robert Spencer, and a few others.

141 dadaist  Fri, Aug 14, 2009 9:47:11am

The invisible hand of the market at work.

Brands are valuable things. You don't voluntarily drag your brand through an open sewer.

142 itellu3times  Fri, Aug 14, 2009 9:47:13am

re: #132 Ben Hur

The Great 'Prevention' Myth

Krauthammuh.

Yah. Rush has been bloviating about this for the last couple of days.

Maybe Obama should hand out free cigarettes - to save social security!

143 filetandrelease  Fri, Aug 14, 2009 9:47:22am

I first listened to Beck shortly after 9/11 and he had thoughtful analysis in trying to understand Islam and the hatred it is garnering towards us. He was both thoughtful and witty with his humor. I never listened that much to know when he started going nutty, but I really don’t recall him being nutty back then. I think he was based out of Tampa at the time. Maybe moving north made him nuts. Or those flashy lights for television.

144 Ben Hur  Fri, Aug 14, 2009 9:47:27am

Hamas, Qaeda supporters clash in Gaza

Hamas.

Allies in the War on Terror in 5...4...3...2...

145 Pianobuff  Fri, Aug 14, 2009 9:47:41am

I've often wondered how much of Beck's schtick and how much is a put-on. Every time I think it's all a put-on then something happens where I go hmmm...

If it's not a put-on and is really (for the most part) authentic... I can't say when, but this man will have a true meltdown of the most serious kind and it won't be a pretty thing.

146 MandyManners  Fri, Aug 14, 2009 9:47:49am

Any letter I'd write to Beck would be in crayon with randomly capitalized words.

DOANT POAK DA KRAZEE

147 That's Glenn Beck to you  Fri, Aug 14, 2009 9:47:51am

Look.

This is America. These advertisers are free to advertise where they like (at least for now [eye roll]).

But we aren't really "loosing" advertisers. We are getting new ones with better products aligned to what our viewers want. Some of the new advertisers with exciting new products are:

1) WedgieVision - new sun glasses that identify who is a Darwinist vs those who know the truth! Without the Darwinists knowing, you can literally "see them coming" and prepare for them to try to confuse you with lies about "carbon dating" (they love carbon, don't they?) and the Big Bang. Only 19.95 a pair!

2) ObamaBowl - decals of our foreign born president and his phony Hawaiian birth certificate that you can place in your toilet bowl. Exercise your freedom of speech (while you still have it) whenever you have to go! ObamaBowl - Excrete Your Opinion of The One with a Number Two!

3) VirtualSurvival - A new online community that is better than twitter or face book. The more you contribute, the more weapons, ammunition, food supplies and - yes - gold you get in preparations for the end times! Forage for food and clothing through a virtual post Armageddon America (or post Obama - take your pick) and meet online friends as you try to kill them for their food and gold!

See - plenty of high quality advertising just waiting to get important products to an alert and aware segment of the public.

148 Kenneth  Fri, Aug 14, 2009 9:48:10am

re: #129 eschew_obfuscation

And they're now saying advertising there was an accident/mistake in the first place.

I suspect Glenn's parent's are convinced he was a mistake.

149 pingjockey  Fri, Aug 14, 2009 9:48:26am

later folks, nap time!

150 Charles Johnson  Fri, Aug 14, 2009 9:48:28am

I think it's pretty clear that I'm not a fan of Keith Olbermann, but as bad as his blatantly partisan show is, Glenn Beck is several orders of magnitude further out on the loony scale.

151 Pianobuff  Fri, Aug 14, 2009 9:48:48am

re: #145 Pianobuff

I've often wondered how much of Beck's schtick is real and how much is a put-on. Every time I think it's all a put-on then something happens where I go hmmm...

If it's not a put-on and is really (for the most part) authentic... I can't say when, but this man will have a true meltdown of the most serious kind and it won't be a pretty thing.

PIMF

152 bj  Fri, Aug 14, 2009 9:49:18am

Yea, score one for the advertisers. Hopefully, the public in general will register its dissatisfaction with this and other such nutcases.

153 Creeping Eruption  Fri, Aug 14, 2009 9:49:23am

re: #144 Ben Hur

Hamas, Qaeda supporters clash in Gaza

Hamas.

Allies in the War on Terror in 5...4...3...2...

Well, it is a dog it dog world. Now Fatah can step in.(/) Oh, wait. All of Gaza's fatah reps resigned yesterday. LOL.

154 Athos  Fri, Aug 14, 2009 9:49:35am

re: #123 yesandno

Sometimes his conclusions are less then perfect, but often his imformation is well documented.

So, the issue are not his conclusions and actions, but because he appears to be informed and well researched?

That's an interesting approach. I, for one, tend to add more credence and credibility to how one interprets the information they review in combination with the breadth of that review. If one cannot make cogent decisions and interpretations based on looking at information, I consider that person as someone who I would not spend a lot of time listening too or valuing their opinion.

155 BlueCanuck  Fri, Aug 14, 2009 9:49:39am

re: #147 That's Glenn Beck to you

I laughed, then I cried.

156 eschew_obfuscation  Fri, Aug 14, 2009 9:49:59am

re: #136 Charles

Which it was.

No argument there.

157 medaura18586  Fri, Aug 14, 2009 9:50:11am

I've never watched this guy's show and all I know about him is from the clips Charles has posted through the ages, but judging by the levels of insanity in those, I'm surprised he had any advertisers to begin with.

158 Shug  Fri, Aug 14, 2009 9:50:13am

I watch Beck occasionally. I watch MSNBC occasionally. I watch it all. Some of it is OK, some of it is absolute shit.Some of it makes me laugh. Some of it makes me scream
I think It's important to at least know what's being said and to be aware. Some of his shit cracks me up. Some of it makes me wonder why he isn't in a straight jacket. I think he is clinically insane

Can you imagine how crazy Beck was when he was on the Jack Daniels?

159 friarstale  Fri, Aug 14, 2009 9:50:27am

a hard core political chick at work used to love Beck, but I was surprised when even she started saying he was too much

unlike Limbaugh, who is hilarious and self-deprecating, Beck has virtually no sense of humor and takes himself way too seriously

I also get the impression that he spills his guts about things he finds out about too quickly, before he has really mulled things over in his own mind

he has a limited historical perspective, everything seems new to him, and he over-reacts to all of it

how long before he gives himself a nervous breakdown?

160 JEA62  Fri, Aug 14, 2009 9:50:27am

Companies only understand green. Why do you think they give to both Ds & Rs? If it costs them money, they'll pull their ads. If the ratings are there, they'll advertise.

And unless Beck says something truly egregious, the network keeps him on the air because he gets those ratings.

It's not about politics, folks. It's about $$$

161 wrenchwench  Fri, Aug 14, 2009 9:50:56am

re: #103 Nimbus

I don't think in the long run boycotts really work. I think his show will always find someone to advertise on. The last half hour of his show is mostly ads anyway. I use that time to unload the dishwasher, so I try and watch as few as ads as possible. I do watch his show and sometimes it does get ridiculous but it has made me look into things a little more and some of his "information" is correct and interesting...


Nice first post!

///

162 calcajun  Fri, Aug 14, 2009 9:51:00am

re: #87 apachegunner

He also gets far off the past of sanity but you must think about the whole total thing. What percent of what he says do you disagree with? If it's more that 50% then I don't much agree with you. (now you yesandno, but who ever answers the question) GB spouts a lot of stuff I think is important to think about.

Dude, one rotten egg spoils the omelet. What you are saying is akin the the late Marge Schott's take on Hitler-- "He did some great things for Germany, but then he went to far." Beck is no different. Taken as a whole, he is a drum-banging demagogue. You can watch him for the entertainment value, but he is not to be taken seriously in any sense.

163 Irish Rose  Fri, Aug 14, 2009 9:51:42am

re: #159 friarstale

unlike Limbaugh, who is hilarious and self-deprecating,

Say what?

164 yesandno  Fri, Aug 14, 2009 9:51:48am

OT...

And in other news:

Congrats to John Edwards--HE's a father again!!!


[Link: www.nydailynews.com...]

165 Gretchen G.Tiger  Fri, Aug 14, 2009 9:52:21am

Fox News seems to have taken a turn for the worse since the Election. I don't understand Hannity without Colmes. His show has tank to a strange low level. I can't even stomach Huckabee.

Chris Wallace is the only one left that seems to be professional.

166 calcajun  Fri, Aug 14, 2009 9:52:23am

re: #150 Charles

Besides, O is funnier and knows football.

167 DrNaughty  Fri, Aug 14, 2009 9:52:30am

re: #164 yesandno

OT...

And in other news:

Congrats to John Edwards--HE's a father again!!!

[Link: www.nydailynews.com...]

If nothing else he is virile...

168 Randall Gross  Fri, Aug 14, 2009 9:52:49am

re: #37 elgato

Trust me, I'm not a Glenn Beck fan. He's simply nuts. But I question advertisers being pressured by a group to bail on Beck's show when the group organizing the protests was founded by a man serving in the Obama White House.

From [Link: colorofchange.org...] --

Note that previous campaigns by this group have been repelled by companies almost with a snear (Ford comes to mind,) because there was not substance behind the campaign. This time there is.

169 Darth Vader Gargoyle  Fri, Aug 14, 2009 9:52:54am

re: #163 Irish Rose

re: #163 Irish Rose

Say what?

My thoughts exactly. I know most of it is probably for show, but Limbaugh appears to have the biggest ego of about anyone I can think of.

170 _RememberTonyC  Fri, Aug 14, 2009 9:52:55am

re: #130 Charles

I don't care who is asking them to stop advertising on Beck's show. It's simply a fact that the guy is spreading lunacy and hatred, and these advertisers are absolutely right to want to have nothing to do with it.

I don't have a major problem with your take on this. In fact, here's one of my LGF posts from April where I showed my displeasure with Beck:

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

But if the government is involved in pressuring advertisers on Beck's show and on FNC (which the POTUS regularly condemns), that is very chilling to me. And as someone who runs a web site that has taken the POTUS to task on occasion, it should be troubling to you. Because even though LGF is scrupulously fair, once the Obamacrats consider you an "unfriendly" entity, it can't be helpful to your business. Just my two cents :)

171 wrenchwench  Fri, Aug 14, 2009 9:53:02am

re: #149 pingjockey

later folks, nap time!

There go the sleepers!

[have a nice nap, ping!]

172 dadaist  Fri, Aug 14, 2009 9:53:04am

re: #150 Charles

I think it's pretty clear that I'm not a fan of Keith Olbermann, but as bad as his blatantly partisan show is, Glenn Beck is several orders of magnitude further out on the loony scale.

Exactly, the problem with Beck isn't that he's extremely partisan. That is true of an extremely large cohort of TV pundits, most obviously on Fox and MSNBC where being partisan is part of the marketing strategy but also elsewhere. Partisan presenters cheer up the base and irritate their opponents and, well whether we like it or not they are an established part of how the news media works.

The problem with Beck is that he goes beyond that into yapping at the moon craziness. And he does so regularly. My issue with him certainly isn't that he's a Republican or on the right. My issue with him is that he's a dishonest, emotionally manipulative, lunatic.

173 calcajun  Fri, Aug 14, 2009 9:53:36am

re: #167 DrNaughty

If nothing else he is virile...

FTFY

174 Irish Rose  Fri, Aug 14, 2009 9:53:53am

re: #169 rwdflynavy

re: #163 Irish Rose

My thoughts exactly. I know most of it is probably for show, but Limbaugh appears to have the biggest ego of about anyone I can think of.

His neckties are nice.
That's about it.

175 Sharmuta  Fri, Aug 14, 2009 9:54:09am

Beck leaves me with a Howard Beale feeling. I can't help but feel this isn't going to end well.

176 redstateredneck  Fri, Aug 14, 2009 9:54:21am

re: #165 ggt

Fox News seems to have taken a turn for the worse since the Election. I don't understand Hannity without Colmes. His show has tank to a strange low level. I can't even stomach Huckabee.

Chris Wallace is the only one left that seems to be professional.


Wallace isn't on nearly enough.

177 DrNaughty  Fri, Aug 14, 2009 9:54:21am

re: #165 ggt

Fox News seems to have taken a turn for the worse since the Election. I don't understand Hannity without Colmes. His show has tank to a strange low level. I can't even stomach Huckabee.

Chris Wallace is the only one left that seems to be professional.

I can never understand how Shean Hannity ever became popular. His voice is grating on the ears, and also, he left Atlanta some years ago with his tail between his legs, and couldn't draw an audience...;

178 Gretchen G.Tiger  Fri, Aug 14, 2009 9:54:22am

re: #170 _RememberTonyC

I don't have a major problem with your take on this. In fact, here's one of my LGF posts from April where I showed my displeasure with Beck:

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

But if the government is involved in pressuring advertisers on Beck's show and on FNC (which the POTUS regularly condemns), that is very chilling to me. And as someone who runs a web site that has taken the POTUS to task on occasion, it should be troubling to you. Because even though LGF is scrupulously fair, once the Obamacrats consider you an "unfriendly" entity, it can't be helpful to your business. Just my two cents :)

I just got here, has there been any evidence the government has pressured advertisers?

179 Chicken Kiev  Fri, Aug 14, 2009 9:54:47am

148 kenneth

I suspect Glenn's parent's are convinced he was a mistake.

I'm not a Beck backer, but your comment is unintentionally icky, given that Beck's mother committed suicide when Beck was -- iirc -- thirteen.

180 DrNaughty  Fri, Aug 14, 2009 9:55:00am

re: #176 redstateredneck

Wallace isn't on nearly enough.

Neither is Krauthammer

181 MandyManners  Fri, Aug 14, 2009 9:55:14am

re: #167 DrNaughty

If nothing else he is virile...

Thinking with one's penis is no virtue.

182 [deleted]  Fri, Aug 14, 2009 9:55:26am
183 Buck  Fri, Aug 14, 2009 9:55:29am

I don't agree with Beck all of the time. BUT I do think he has to be allowed to go out on a limb.

I DO think Acorn is guilty of conspiracies and illegal activity. I do think they are being protected, and I don't think anyone will investigate UNLESS pressure is born.

Yes, I would like Glen to do a bit more research BEFORE he uses that 1,000,000 watt megaphone... but I think that can come with time.

I think the secret to his future success will be that he throws SO very MUCH at the wall... and if ANYTHING does stick, he will make it seem like that is all he talked about. For example the Acorn stuff. If by chance it does come out, and he brings them down... He will promote himself as the hero of the century.

184 Kosh's Shadow  Fri, Aug 14, 2009 9:55:43am

re: #155 BlueCanuck

I laughed, then I cried.

I laughed, I cried, I fell down. It changed my life.
(obscure reference)

185 [deleted]  Fri, Aug 14, 2009 9:56:20am
186 redstateredneck  Fri, Aug 14, 2009 9:56:21am

re: #180 DrNaughty

Neither is Krauthammer

I watch the 5:00 FNC news just for the panel.

187 calcajun  Fri, Aug 14, 2009 9:56:24am

re: #183 Buck

Again-- one rotten egg ruins the omelet.

188 MandyManners  Fri, Aug 14, 2009 9:56:25am

re: #170 _RememberTonyC

I don't have a major problem with your take on this. In fact, here's one of my LGF posts from April where I showed my displeasure with Beck:

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

But if the government is involved in pressuring advertisers on Beck's show and on FNC (which the POTUS regularly condemns), that is very chilling to me. And as someone who runs a web site that has taken the POTUS to task on occasion, it should be troubling to you. Because even though LGF is scrupulously fair, once the Obamacrats consider you an "unfriendly" entity, it can't be helpful to your business. Just my two cents :)

Huh?

189 Gretchen G.Tiger  Fri, Aug 14, 2009 9:56:38am

re: #177 DrNaughty

I can never understand how Shean Hannity ever became popular. His voice is grating on the ears, and also, he left Atlanta some years ago with his tail between his legs, and couldn't draw an audience...;

I think he appeals to some audience groups because of his all-American Boy-Scout Quarterback looks. And he seems to play the part.

The last time I walked into the room in which the TV was on and saw some 'ghosthunter wannabe" segment on his show, I almost threw-up. I have to wonder about his producers.

190 BlueCanuck  Fri, Aug 14, 2009 9:56:40am

re: #184 Kosh's Shadow

I laughed, I cried, I fell down. It changed my life.
(obscure reference)

Hmmm, heard it before somewhere...

/mind like a steel trap. Needs a little more oil at the moment though.

191 vxbush  Fri, Aug 14, 2009 9:57:04am

Excuse me, but talking about assassinating anyone seems a bit extreme.

192 calcajun  Fri, Aug 14, 2009 9:57:13am

re: #184 Kosh's Shadow

I laughed, I cried, I fell down. It changed my life.
(obscure reference)

I thought it was, " I laughed. I cried. It became part of me."

193 Kenneth  Fri, Aug 14, 2009 9:57:15am

re: #162 calcajun

I can't accept the excuse that Beck is "entertainment". It's presented as a news & current affairs program. He talks about real people, politics, wars, and other significant events. Then he wraps it all up in hysterical, distorted paranoid exaggeration. This is irresponsible journalism. Period. It's the equivalent of shouting fire in a crowded theater.

194 Kosh's Shadow  Fri, Aug 14, 2009 9:57:23am

re: #181 MandyManners

Thinking with one's penis is no virtue.

But there's an ad that keeps telling us to think with our dipsticks!
///

195 Baier  Fri, Aug 14, 2009 9:58:04am

Glenn Beck is a turd. He is an example of someone with tons of ambition and no scruples. His time as a public figure is limited. He will self destruct in an irreversible way soon.

196 _RememberTonyC  Fri, Aug 14, 2009 9:58:04am

re: #178 ggt

I just got here, has there been any evidence the government has pressured advertisers?

I linked to a story last night and again today ... here it is:

[Link: www.newsmax.com...]

You can take it for what it's worth, but there seems to be some evidence that is credible.

197 Irish Rose  Fri, Aug 14, 2009 9:58:11am

Fox used to be my network of choice for balanced news reporting.
I can't even watch it now.

198 Randall Gross  Fri, Aug 14, 2009 9:58:15am

re: #183 Buck

I don't agree with Beck all of the time. BUT I do think he has to be allowed to go out on a limb.

I DO think Acorn is guilty of conspiracies and illegal activity. I do think they are being protected, and I don't think anyone will investigate UNLESS pressure is born.

Yes, I would like Glen to do a bit more research BEFORE he uses that 1,000,000 watt megaphone... but I think that can come with time.

I think the secret to his future success will be that he throws SO very MUCH at the wall... and if ANYTHING does stick, he will make it seem like that is all he talked about. For example the Acorn stuff. If by chance it does come out, and he brings them down... He will promote himself as the hero of the century.

So you are saying he works like most psychic fraudsters such as Jeane Dixon, hoping that nobody will remember all of the thousands of wrong predictions and just remember the one or two where he got lucky and got near to truth?

199 Sharmuta  Fri, Aug 14, 2009 9:58:28am

re: #182 calcajun

Remember a couple months ago when he insisted on air he wasn't suicidal?

I hope the guy gets help, I really do, but I worry he's being exploited and those in closest contact with him, like his co-workers, might not help him.

200 Kosh's Shadow  Fri, Aug 14, 2009 9:58:53am

re: #190 BlueCanuck

Hmmm, heard it before somewhere...

/mind like a steel trap. Needs a little more oil at the moment though.

Cowboy Feng's Space Bar and Grille

201 friarstale  Fri, Aug 14, 2009 9:58:55am

re: #169 rwdflynavy

re: #163 Irish Rose


My thoughts exactly. I know most of it is probably for show, but Limbaugh appears to have the biggest ego of about anyone I can think of.

lol
I'll answer you both at once:

"Talent on loan from God" is one of Rush's sayings about himself. It's a running gag that's a slap in the face of all his critics, and it is a riot!

another of his sayings is something like "I know liberal Democrats like I know every inch of my glorious naked body"

just for somebody to say that on the airwaves is genuinely funny

people used to compare Rush Limbaugh to Howard Stern. They both came on the air and got popular around the same time. They both are intentionally outrageous, and that has worked for both of them

Beck seems to be unintentionally outrageous, and as one of the other posters wrote, sometimes you have to wonder if it's a deliberate act or not

202 medaura18586  Fri, Aug 14, 2009 9:59:15am

...the hero of the century...

203 calcajun  Fri, Aug 14, 2009 9:59:34am

re: #191 vxbush

It's a reference to the movie "Network" --where that happened to a character not unlike Mr. Beck. And I had the sarc tag on. Someone referred to Beck ending up like Howard Beale-- the protagonist in that movie. I mentioned how the movie ended (a true sin in the book of many movie lovers). There is no actual call for violence here.

204 DrNaughty  Fri, Aug 14, 2009 9:59:42am

re: #197 Irish Rose

Fox used to be my network of choice for balanced news reporting.
I can't even watch it now.

Especially since Larie Dhue and her long legs no longer are there.

I remember when the women didn't sit behind desks and you could enjoy the view with the sound turned down on the set...

205 Gretchen G.Tiger  Fri, Aug 14, 2009 9:59:43am

re: #193 Kenneth

I can't accept the excuse that Beck is "entertainment". It's presented as a news & current affairs program. He talks about real people, politics, wars, and other significant events. Then he wraps it all up in hysterical, distorted paranoid exaggeration. This is irresponsible journalism. Period. It's the equivalent of shouting fire in a crowded theater.

Seems that since the Election, the Right-Wing Whackos are in full bloom. I'm not sure they are any worse than the Left-Wing Whackos we've learned about in the 8 years before the Election. Frankly, I'm tired as h@ll of Whackos.

206 Jewels (AKA Julian)  Fri, Aug 14, 2009 9:59:55am

Never have watched Glenn Beck...doesn't look like I'm missing anything

207 Kenneth  Fri, Aug 14, 2009 10:00:06am

re: #179 Chicken Kiev

I had no idea. In that case, I deeply regret my post. That is not the sort of thing I would ever joke about.

My apologies to anybody else who was offended.

208 calcajun  Fri, Aug 14, 2009 10:00:21am

re: #194 Kosh's Shadow

I so do NOT get that ad. It's denigrating to Scotsmen. No true Scotsman would...

209 doppelganglander  Fri, Aug 14, 2009 10:00:23am

re: #177 DrNaughty

I can never understand how Shean Hannity ever became popular. His voice is grating on the ears, and also, he left Atlanta some years ago with his tail between his legs, and couldn't draw an audience...;

He actually was pretty successful in Atlanta, which is how he got a national show. He was up against Boortz, who is an institution here, so he wasn't first in the ratings.

For the record, I enjoyed his show back then and actually met him once. He has changed a lot since then and I'm no longer a fan.

210 _RememberTonyC  Fri, Aug 14, 2009 10:00:25am

re: #188 MandyManners

Huh?

Mandy ... my point is that if the Obamacrats pressured Beck's advertisers because they don't like his show and his network, it's a bad sign for anyone else who might regularly disagree with the Administration. Particularly if they depend on ads for income. And LGF does have ads on it.

211 Athos  Fri, Aug 14, 2009 10:00:48am

re: #170 _RememberTonyC

But if the government is involved in pressuring advertisers on Beck's show and on FNC (which the POTUS regularly condemns), that is very chilling to me. And as someone who runs a web site that has taken the POTUS to task on occasion, it should be troubling to you. Because even though LGF is scrupulously fair, once the Obamacrats consider you an "unfriendly" entity, it can't be helpful to your business. Just my two cents :)

I'm no fan of the current administration, and know that in the past other administrations have not hestiated to use their power and position to try to silence and marginalize their opponents, but special interest groups have a history of going after advertisers on TV programs in order to oppose positions or actions taken by those programs on issues that they consider important.

As long as a group has power, or the ear of those in power, they will attempt to leverage that access in order to get their agenda acted on. The real issue comes to the point that Thanos made - in this example, based on Beck's over the top rhetoric, there is traction being obtained. Now if you have something concrete beyond the linkages of this group to the Admin that the Admin is illegally using its power to attack Beck, that would be another thing. All I am seeing here is a special action group taking action against Beck for his over the top rhetoric, and that action gaining some traction.

It still has to be seen how much traction this takes, the impact on FNC and News Corp, and if Beck will be held accountable and responsible for his rhetoric.

212 calcajun  Fri, Aug 14, 2009 10:01:00am

re: #204 DrNaughty

Sigh. Good times, indeed.

213 Dianna  Fri, Aug 14, 2009 10:01:38am

re: #150 Charles

I think it's pretty clear that I'm not a fan of Keith Olbermann, but as bad as his blatantly partisan show is, Glenn Beck is several orders of magnitude further out on the loony scale.

I've watched clips of both, but I've never watched either. So I'll have to take your word for it.

Frankly, they both strike me as frothing lunatics.

214 Charles Johnson  Fri, Aug 14, 2009 10:01:44am

re: #121 _RememberTonyC

That article contains no evidence whatsoever that the White House is somehow involved in Color of Change's campaign against Glenn Beck. In fact, it has evidence showing the exact opposite. I always get a kick when Newsmax does stuff like this:

"I don’t have proof that the White House asked Color of Change to help it fight back against Glenn Beck," Matthew Vadum, the Capitol Research Center senior editor who has written extensively about Jones' activities, tells Newsmax. "But I wouldn’t be surprised to learn it had."

Right. So they have no proof at all, but still have no compunction about headlining the article "Obama-Linked Activists Targeting Glenn Beck in Boycott Campaign."

Newsmax is World Net Daily on Zoloft.

215 Desert Dog  Fri, Aug 14, 2009 10:01:47am

re: #189 ggt

I think he appeals to some audience groups because of his all-American Boy-Scout Quarterback looks. And he seems to play the part.

The last time I walked into the room in which the TV was on and saw some 'ghosthunter wannabe" segment on his show, I almost threw-up. I have to wonder about his producers.

LCD - lowest common denominator gets the rates...look at the top of the "heap" in the "news biz" - O'Reilly, Hannity, Beck - all three go for that. And, it makes FOXNews rich. So, I doubt they will stop it any time soon. Although Beck seems to have crossed a line that may cost him.

216 Cato the Elder  Fri, Aug 14, 2009 10:01:52am

Who say's the market doesn't work? ;^)

I hope Beck doesn't cry about this or his deluded fans will send him checks like what happened with Jimmy Swaggart.

217 [deleted]  Fri, Aug 14, 2009 10:01:56am
218 Honorary Yooper  Fri, Aug 14, 2009 10:02:47am

re: #208 calcajun

I so do NOT get that ad. It's denigrating to Scotsmen. No true Scotsman would...

At least it missed out on being denigrating to cavemen.

219 eschew_obfuscation  Fri, Aug 14, 2009 10:02:47am

re: #204 DrNaughty

Especially since Larie Dhue and her long legs no longer are there.

I remember when the women didn't sit behind desks and you could enjoy the view with the sound turned down on the set...

Yeah, what happened to her? She was on Fox, then MSNBC?, then Fox again, then just gone. Or did I miss here somewhere else?

220 Gretchen G.Tiger  Fri, Aug 14, 2009 10:03:27am

I don't think the government or any special interest groups needs to take action against Beck. His own behavior will lead to his loss of income.

221 sardonic  Fri, Aug 14, 2009 10:03:33am

re: #150 Charles

I think it's pretty clear that I'm not a fan of Keith Olbermann, but as bad as his blatantly partisan show is, Glenn Beck is several orders of magnitude further out on the loony scale.

Yeah, I'd say roughly in the same league as Cynthia McKinney. Probably not as bad as Nancy Pelosi or Howard Dean, who are more Olberrmann-like.

222 BlueCanuck  Fri, Aug 14, 2009 10:03:39am

re: #200 Kosh's Shadow

Okay, on my ever expanding never quite shrinking reading list.

223 Cato the Elder  Fri, Aug 14, 2009 10:03:44am

re: #214 Charles

That article contains no evidence whatsoever that the White House is somehow involved in Color of Change's campaign against Glenn Beck. In fact, it has evidence showing the exact opposite. I always get a kick when Newsmax does stuff like this:

Right. So they have no proof at all, but still have no compunction about headlining the article "Obama-Linked Activists Targeting Glenn Beck in Boycott Campaign."

Newsmax is World Net Daily on Zoloft.

Newsmax is also a front for one of the most evil individuals it has ever been my misfortune to encounter. I'm not at liberty to say more, because he's dangerous. But I'm dead serious. Even his relatives are scared of him.

224 DrNaughty  Fri, Aug 14, 2009 10:04:15am

re: #219 eschew_obfuscation

Yeah, what happened to her? She was on Fox, then MSNBC?, then Fox again, then just gone. Or did I miss here somewhere else?

Her contract ended in April 2008. Apparantley she simply chose not to renew it. She may have met someone and chosen to retire and live a quiet life privatley

225 Desert Dog  Fri, Aug 14, 2009 10:04:46am

re: #223 Cato the Elder

Newsmax is also a front for one of the most evil individuals it has ever been my misfortune to encounter. I'm not at liberty to say more, because he's dangerous. But I'm dead serious. Even his relatives are scared of him.

Is it...Satan?

226 quiet man  Fri, Aug 14, 2009 10:05:03am

Irish rose what do you watch then?? I cant watch CNN, CNBC, or the netwarks due to bias..


Fox is still far more fair than those networks ever were. Is there one you believe to be more fair and balanced??

227 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Aug 14, 2009 10:05:10am

re: #225 Desert Dog

Is it...Satan?

No, Stan.

228 MandyManners  Fri, Aug 14, 2009 10:05:19am

re: #196 _RememberTonyC

I linked to a story last night and again today ... here it is:

[Link: www.newsmax.com...]

You can take it for what it's worth, but there seems to be some evidence that is credible.

Newsmax has learned that the co-founder of the African-American political organization Color of Change, which is calling for Beck's ouster, is civil rights attorney Van Jones.

In March, President Obama appointed Jones to serve as his so-called "green-jobs czar," responsible for stimulating job growth in the environmental sector.

229 calcajun  Fri, Aug 14, 2009 10:05:27am

re: #223 Cato the Elder

Stopped reading that circa 2000.

Rotten rag.

230 _RememberTonyC  Fri, Aug 14, 2009 10:05:33am

re: #211 Athos

I'm no fan of the current administration, and know that in the past other administrations have not hestiated to use their power and position to try to silence and marginalize their opponents, but special interest groups have a history of going after advertisers on TV programs in order to oppose positions or actions taken by those programs on issues that they consider important.

As long as a group has power, or the ear of those in power, they will attempt to leverage that access in order to get their agenda acted on. The real issue comes to the point that Thanos made - in this example, based on Beck's over the top rhetoric, there is traction being obtained. Now if you have something concrete beyond the linkages of this group to the Admin that the Admin is illegally using its power to attack Beck, that would be another thing. All I am seeing here is a special action group taking action against Beck for his over the top rhetoric, and that action gaining some traction.

It still has to be seen how much traction this takes, the impact on FNC and News Corp, and if Beck will be held accountable and responsible for his rhetoric.

I have no issue with your points ... at all. All I am saying is that if this group has close ties to Obama (and the former head of the group is a recent appointee by the President), that chills me. We know the Administration has lashed out against FOX on many occasions. Just yesterday, Major Garrett (FNC White House reporter) got into a very public pissing match with Robert Gibbs at the daily briefing. And I sense a pattern of overt hostility by the Administration towards the one TV news channel that dares to regularly give Obama some grief. I think all of us should keep an eye on that.

231 Gretchen G.Tiger  Fri, Aug 14, 2009 10:05:42am

re: #215 Desert Dog

LCD - lowest common denominator gets the rates...look at the top of the "heap" in the "news biz" - O'Reilly, Hannity, Beck - all three go for that. And, it makes FOXNews rich. So, I doubt they will stop it any time soon. Although Beck seems to have crossed a line that may cost him.

Yes, LCD, I was thinking that earlier -- I've pretty much had it with TV. I get my info from the Internet --and C-SPAN. I don't need pundits or interpreters. I can read/watch the source and make my own decisions.

232 Charles Johnson  Fri, Aug 14, 2009 10:05:46am

re: #217 buzzsawmonkey

He's not just sloppy with facts. He's associated with and/or promotes extremists like Ron Paul, Cleon Skousen, and a host of other paleo-libertarian nutjobs. And of course, he's a hardcore young earth creationist, although these days he's so caught up in trying to prove Obama is Hitler he hasn't mentioned it for a while.

233 [deleted]  Fri, Aug 14, 2009 10:06:01am
234 LwoodPDowd  Fri, Aug 14, 2009 10:06:19am

re: #23 Spider Mensch

damn it now I got ethel mermann singing in my head...that voice will be with me all day...crap!

you could always exchange ethel mermann with eugene mirman

[Link: www.eugenemirman.com...]

235 Athos  Fri, Aug 14, 2009 10:06:56am

re: #214 Charles

Newsmax is World Net Daily on Zoloft.

And like World Nutter Daily's Joseph Farrah, Newmax's Christopher Ruddy is a nirther...

236 Charles Johnson  Fri, Aug 14, 2009 10:07:01am

re: #228 MandyManners

Newsmax has learned that the co-founder of the African-American political organization Color of Change, which is calling for Beck's ouster, is civil rights attorney Van Jones.

In March, President Obama appointed Jones to serve as his so-called "green-jobs czar," responsible for stimulating job growth in the environmental sector.

Jones has not been associated with the group since last year.

237 Sharmuta  Fri, Aug 14, 2009 10:07:31am

re: #226 quiet man

Irish rose what do you watch then?? I cant watch CNN, CNBC, or the netwarks due to bias..

Fox is still far more fair than those networks ever were. Is there one you believe to be more fair and balanced??

What makes you think they're fair and balanced besides them telling you so?

238 Desert Dog  Fri, Aug 14, 2009 10:08:18am

re: #231 ggt

Yes, LCD, I was thinking that earlier -- I've pretty much had it with TV. I get my info from the Internet --and C-SPAN. I don't need pundits or interpreters. I can read/watch the source and make my own decisions.

I watched a lot of TV news 9-11 and after...I was addicted to it. Since then, I get all my news from the internet. I check, Drudge, CNN, Fox, BBC, Rueters, AP, CBC, etc...wherever a link takes me. I have not sat down and watched an actual TV newscast in years.

239 Gretchen G.Tiger  Fri, Aug 14, 2009 10:08:49am

re: #226 quiet man

Irish rose what do you watch then?? I cant watch CNN, CNBC, or the netwarks due to bias..

Fox is still far more fair than those networks ever were. Is there one you believe to be more fair and balanced??

Fair and Balanced comes from the individual using as many sources as possible for information. Reading/Watching only one source does not give one the full picture.

240 _RememberTonyC  Fri, Aug 14, 2009 10:08:53am

re: #214 Charles

That article contains no evidence whatsoever that the White House is somehow involved in Color of Change's campaign against Glenn Beck. In fact, it has evidence showing the exact opposite. I always get a kick when Newsmax does stuff like this:


Right. So they have no proof at all, but still have no compunction about headlining the article "Obama-Linked Activists Targeting Glenn Beck in Boycott Campaign."

Newsmax is World Net Daily on Zoloft.


Thanks for the response, Charles. In post #228, Mandy clipped out the part that is of concern to me. Newsmax has not always been accurate on everything, but the part Mandy posted does seem to show a connection between the group and the POTUS.

241 _RememberTonyC  Fri, Aug 14, 2009 10:09:28am

re: #228 MandyManners

Newsmax has learned that the co-founder of the African-American political organization Color of Change, which is calling for Beck's ouster, is civil rights attorney Van Jones.

In March, President Obama appointed Jones to serve as his so-called "green-jobs czar," responsible for stimulating job growth in the environmental sector.


Thanks Mandy ... you found the part that troubled me the most.

242 Ward Cleaver  Fri, Aug 14, 2009 10:09:43am

Beck's show should be really funny today.

243 Kenneth  Fri, Aug 14, 2009 10:09:46am

Sargento, eh? I guess this proves Obama is in bed with Big Cheese.

/

244 quiet man  Fri, Aug 14, 2009 10:10:05am

re: #239 ggt

re: #226 quiet man


Fair and Balanced comes from the individual using as many sources as possible for information. Reading/Watching only one source does not give one the full picture.


Exactly..you always see a story from several angles with FOX..and you just do mot see that on the others.

245 [deleted]  Fri, Aug 14, 2009 10:10:15am
246 Sharmuta  Fri, Aug 14, 2009 10:10:20am

And really- who cares about fair and balanced? How about accuracy?

247 Ward Cleaver  Fri, Aug 14, 2009 10:10:23am

re: #243 Kenneth

Sargento, eh? I guess this proves Obama is in bed with Big Cheese.

/

Mmmm... Sargento.

248 MandyManners  Fri, Aug 14, 2009 10:10:33am

re: #210 _RememberTonyC

Mandy ... my point is that if the Obamacrats pressured Beck's advertisers because they don't like his show and his network, it's a bad sign for anyone else who might regularly disagree with the Administration. Particularly if they depend on ads for income. And LGF does have ads on it.

Remember the push against WGN during the campaign because it aired an interview of Howard Kurtz?
DENVER -- Sen. Barack Obama's campaign organized its supporters Wednesday night to confront Tribune-owned WGN-AM in Chicago for having a critic of the Illinois Democrat on its air. (Listen to the interview.)

"WGN radio is giving right-wing hatchet man Stanley Kurtz a forum to air his baseless, fear-mongering terrorist smears," Obama's campaign wrote in an e-mail to supporters. "He's currently scheduled to spend a solid two-hour block from 9:00 to 11:00 p.m. pushing lies, distortions, and manipulations about Barack and University of Illinois professor William Ayers."

Kurtz, a conservative writer, recently wrote an article for the National Review that looked at Obama's ties to Ayers, a former 1960s radical who later emerged as a school reform advocate in Chicago.

The magazine had been blocked in its initial attempts to obtain records from the University of Illinois at Chicago regarding a school reform initiative called the Chicago Annenberg Challenge, which Obama chaired and Ayers co-founded.

Obama critics were quick to suggest that political clout could be involved in seeking to protect Obama from embarrassment. The school later reserved its position and made the records available Tuesday.

On Wednesday evening, Obama's campaign urged supporters to call the radio station to complain.

SNIP

"I would say this is the biggest response we've ever got from a campaign or a candidate," he said. "This is really unprecedented with the show, the way that people are flooding the calls and our email boxes."

Christenson said the Obama campaign was asked to have someone appear on the show and declined the request.

SNIP

249 That's Glenn Beck to you  Fri, Aug 14, 2009 10:10:38am

Well reading the comments on this thread, I see many people doubt that we do much research for our show. As if we simply broadcast hysteria instead of facts.

Well we do research. Hard hitting, original research.

For example - we have just uncovered who has been identified by the Obama Administration to run the Death Panels that Governor Palin has been criticized for simply warning people about.

This "gentleman" that we have identified has a medical degree but has not put it to much use. Instead, he has leveraged that degree to assume more and more authority within the progressive community. And if you ask me, he seems bent on taking over the world. And you can bet that he will use the Death Panels to do it!

As an exclusive sneak peek, I will post a picture of him and will reveal his identity on tonight's show broadcast.

250 Randall Gross  Fri, Aug 14, 2009 10:10:42am

Freakshow

251 Wendya  Fri, Aug 14, 2009 10:11:00am

re: #125 Lincolntf

Maybe the corporations are listening to their customers, or maybe they're just listening to the Administration.

It is troubling to me that a member of Obama's administration co-founded the group that's leading the charge.

Letter writing campaigns aren't nearly as effective as astroturfing by friends of the administration.

252 MandyManners  Fri, Aug 14, 2009 10:11:00am

re: #236 Charles

Jones has not been associated with the group since last year.

Thank you.

253 quiet man  Fri, Aug 14, 2009 10:11:17am

re: #237 Sharmuta
Because they are..each story has hard left on as well as right...even hyard right..and they pull few punches in the way they ask questions.

Megan is great

Do you watch FOX??

254 Cato the Elder  Fri, Aug 14, 2009 10:11:20am

re: #229 calcajun

Stopped reading that circa 2000.

Rotten rag.

No, just a guy who defrauded his own brother, and when his brother complained, told him, "That's what lawyers are for." I have this from his niece. Anyone who things immoral scams (pump-and-dump stock schemes, for instance) don't go completely unpunished in this country on a daily basis never spent time in the financial publishing industry.

Madoff was just a sacrificial offering.

255 Shug  Fri, Aug 14, 2009 10:11:22am

I watch CNN for Shuttle launches and the occasional disaster or hurricane report.
Sometimes I'll watch Anderson Cooper. He does a nice New Years eve show
MSNBC occasionally just to see them frothing at the mouth. Frankly I liked them better when they were actually looking for facts when they were trying to "Get Bush" At least they were reporting the bad stuff. Now the network is an Obama Campaign ad. Extreme Sycophant Chris Matthews makes me sick.
Still getting my 10-12 hours a week of Rush.

256 J.S.  Fri, Aug 14, 2009 10:11:35am

re: #198 Thanos

Actually, speaking of "psychic mediums" who fleece people (ie, those who claim to be able to speak to the dead, etc.) that was one of the problems I had with Beck when he was still on CNN's Headline News. Beck would put onto his program this fellow who'd claim such things (imo this was both bizarre and disturbing -- what's worse, though, is that I got the impression that Beck really, really wants to believe in the truth of such flim-flam artists...and, it's due to Beck's past..his mother's death, etc.)

257 [deleted]  Fri, Aug 14, 2009 10:11:52am
258 Ward Cleaver  Fri, Aug 14, 2009 10:11:52am

re: #249 That's Glenn Beck to you

Well reading the comments on this thread, I see many people doubt that we do much research for our show. As if we simply broadcast hysteria instead of facts.

Well we do research. Hard hitting, original research.

For example - we have just uncovered who has been identified by the Obama Administration to run the Death Panels that Governor Palin has been criticized for simply warning people about.

This "gentleman" that we have identified has a medical degree but has not put it to much use. Instead, he has leveraged that degree to assume more and more authority within the progressive community. And if you ask me, he seems bent on taking over the world. And you can bet that he will use the Death Panels to do it!

As an exclusive sneak peek, I will post a picture of him and will reveal his identity on tonight's show broadcast.

Ooooh, that's not good.

259 Gretchen G.Tiger  Fri, Aug 14, 2009 10:12:34am

re: #240 _RememberTonyC

Thanks for the response, Charles. In post #228, Mandy clipped out the part that is of concern to me. Newsmax has not always been accurate on everything, but the part Mandy posted does seem to show a connection between the group and the POTUS.

Come on TonyC -- look hard enough and there will seem to be a connection between Charles and Little Green Aliens. After-all he used to post a lot about tin-foil hats.

The POTUS has more than the average exposure, there is a lot of fodder for conspiracy theorists with any POTUS. Keep perspective.

260 Sharmuta  Fri, Aug 14, 2009 10:12:49am

re: #253 quiet man

Do you watch FOX??

Not any more. I've found the internet to be a better source for news and information. And while a story might have two sides, facts don't.

261 Charles Johnson  Fri, Aug 14, 2009 10:13:03am

re: #241 _RememberTonyC

Thanks Mandy ... you found the part that troubled me the most.

Van Jones has had no formal association with the group since last year.

I very strongly doubt that the White House is behind this boycott. Do you seriously believe the White House would risk the negative publicity they'd get if they were exposed, just to get Glenn Beck's advertisers to boycott him?

Nope. This is just the usual Newsmax scaremongering.

262 quiet man  Fri, Aug 14, 2009 10:13:51am

re: #260 Sharmuta

and yet you seem to have an opinion as to their accuracy

downding

263 Gretchen G.Tiger  Fri, Aug 14, 2009 10:13:57am

re: #244 quiet man

Exactly..you always see a story from several angles with FOX..and you just do mot see that on the others.

And you still only see what Fox has the time and inclination to show you. You miss the opportunity to see other angles if you only watch Fox.

264 Fiery Red XIII  Fri, Aug 14, 2009 10:14:00am

re: #214 Charles

Newsmax is World Net Daily on Zoloft.

That line made me laugh out loud. Thank you Charles!

Red

265 Athos  Fri, Aug 14, 2009 10:14:10am

re: #249 That's Glenn Beck to you

'And I will stop my brilliant plan if you pay me a ransom of ...
1 trillion, no, 1 quadrillion dollars...'

266 Sharmuta  Fri, Aug 14, 2009 10:14:28am

re: #262 quiet man

and yet you seem to have an opinion as to their accuracy

downding

No- I have an opinion about their crappy slogan.

267 DrNaughty  Fri, Aug 14, 2009 10:14:40am

Now I am starting to feel a bit old..

Squeaky Fromme was released from prison today

I remember when she tried to assassinate Ford.. I ha just arrived at Ramstein Germany from a year at Korat Thailand...

268 MandyManners  Fri, Aug 14, 2009 10:15:07am

Remember the "Truths Squads" in Missouri, a collection of prosecutors and sheriffs who wanted to prosecute people who told "lies" about FCBBHO during the campaign?

Missouri Prosecutors, Sheriffs 'Target Anyone Who Lies' About Barack Obama

A St. Louis television station reports — their words — "The Barack Obama campaign is asking Missouri law enforcement to target anyone who lies or runs a misleading TV ad during the presidential campaign."

Prosecutors and sheriffs from across Missouri are joining "The Barack Obama Truth Squad."

They mention Jennifer Joyce, St. Louis Circuit Attorney and Bob McCullough, prosecutor for St. Louis County in Missouri.

SNIP

269 doppelganglander  Fri, Aug 14, 2009 10:15:12am

OT but really interesting: Black Man Pleads Guilty to Posing as Obama-Hating White Supremacist on Facebook

NEW ORLEANS — An African-American man from Mississippi admits posing as a white supremacist to send a death threat across state lines by Facebook.

The U.S. Attorney's Office says 20-year-old Dyron L. Hart of Poplarville pleaded guilty Wednesday in federal court to making a threat in November 2008.

Hart admitted creating a name and using a white supremacists' photo to pose as a white man who planned to kill blacks because Barack Obama had been elected president.

He originally was charged with threatening three black students at Nicholls State — where he had attended one semester — but pleaded guilty Wednesday to one count.

He sent the threats from a computer in Poplarville.

The maximum sentence is five years in prison and a $250,000 fine; sentencing is Nov. 18.

I doubt this represents any kind of conspiracy, since his target was so obscure, but it's pretty darn weird.

270 Buck  Fri, Aug 14, 2009 10:15:17am

re: #198 Thanos

So you are saying he works like most psychic fraudsters such as Jeane Dixon, hoping that nobody will remember all of the thousands of wrong predictions and just remember the one or two where he got lucky and got near to truth?

I am saying that it will probably work out that way.

271 quiet man  Fri, Aug 14, 2009 10:15:24am

re: #263 ggt
Probably true...but who said that is the only source of my information??

cause it isn't..like the rest of you, I get my info on the web..but I still like TV news..Fox is the only one I can stand.

272 Dadaist  Fri, Aug 14, 2009 10:15:35am

re: #205 ggt

Seems that since the Election, the Right-Wing Whackos are in full bloom. I'm not sure they are any worse than the Left-Wing Whackos we've learned about in the 8 years before the Election. Frankly, I'm tired as h@ll of Whackos.

Nutcases in my experience are attracted to the left and the right in roughly equal proportions. At different times, depending on what's happening politically, one sides lunatics are more stirred up than the others. During the Bush years the left nutcases were on prominent display. At the moment, those on the right are out in full force.

The main difference is that, at the absolutely wild edges of the political spectrum, "our" crazies are more likely to be heavily armed than their crazies. A hippy lunatic is more likely to spend their time making papier mache puppet heads or trying to tap into the inherent powers of crystals to change the world than actually putting together half-witted plans to bump off political leaders.

That wasn't always the case of course. Back in the 60s and 70s, the left crazies had a bit of thing for bombings and bank robberies.

273 Fiery Red XIII  Fri, Aug 14, 2009 10:16:02am

Oh and Charles, when you tell people to get off your site, You should type it like this:

"GET OFF MY SITE...YOU PINHEAD!!!"


Red

274 Shug  Fri, Aug 14, 2009 10:16:05am

1961 Ronald Reagan clips on Limbaugh.

excellent

275 quiet man  Fri, Aug 14, 2009 10:16:39am

re: #266 Sharmuta

That's not exactly "in depth" consideration.

276 Kenneth  Fri, Aug 14, 2009 10:16:46am

re: #261 Charles

I half suspect the White House are happy to have Beck screaming his nutjob conspiracies all the time. It obscures and distracts from any reasonable criticism out there.

277 Irish Rose  Fri, Aug 14, 2009 10:16:50am

re: #226 quiet man

Irish rose what do you watch then?? I cant watch CNN, CNBC, or the netwarks due to bias..

Fox is still far more fair than those networks ever were. Is there one you believe to be more fair and balanced??

I get my news on the internet... much easier to factcheck that way.

To be honest, I'm not much of a TV watcher - nothing but trash on the telly these days, as far as I'm concerned. I'm a voracious reader, and spend most of my evenings with a good book.

278 Honorary Yooper  Fri, Aug 14, 2009 10:17:21am

re: #254 Cato the Elder

Very interesting indeed.

Looking at Newsmax, it appears the top two involved are one Christopher Ruddy and one Richard Scaife.

279 SixDegrees  Fri, Aug 14, 2009 10:17:22am

Coming in late here, so I'll just say "Yay!" on hearing the news of Beck losing advertisers.

I'll also note that advertisers don't make such decisions in a vacuum; they've obviously gotten word from viewers that Beck is an odious turd, and are bailing because of this feedback. This also dovetails perfectly with what I've said about Beck's viewership for a couple of months now: they're tuning in to watch the freak show, not because they agree.

And more recently, for the same reason you can't tear your eyes away from a trainwreck.

280 calcajun  Fri, Aug 14, 2009 10:17:26am

re: #268 MandyManners

The return of the "Sedition Act"?

281 Rima  Fri, Aug 14, 2009 10:17:29am

Progressive Insurance is owned by Peter B. Lewis, who has poured millions, along with his partner, George Soros, in efforts to demolish the Republican Party - so, no surprise there.

[Link: www.capitalresearch.org...]

282 Charles Johnson  Fri, Aug 14, 2009 10:17:52am

Color of Change is a group I probably wouldn't agree with very much, but for this campaign to make Glenn Beck's advertisers aware of what they're supporting, they get a big thumbs up from me. This is the consequence of the irresponsible hate speech that Beck spews on his show.

283 Sharmuta  Fri, Aug 14, 2009 10:18:02am

re: #272 Dadaist

The main difference is that, at the absolutely wild edges of the political spectrum, "our" crazies are more likely to be heavily armed than their crazies. A hippy lunatic is more likely to spend their time making papier mache puppet heads or trying to tap into the inherent powers of crystals to change the world than actually putting together half-witted plans to bump off political leaders.

That wasn't always the case of course. Back in the 60s and 70s, the left crazies had a bit of thing for bombings and bank robberies.

The left still has them. The anarchists created plenty of trouble in Denver and St. Paul. I believe they attacked a bus of Boy Scouts in St. Paul.

284 quiet man  Fri, Aug 14, 2009 10:18:36am

re: #277 Irish Rose
voracious reader.me too..a lost art in the future maybe

285 lobo91  Fri, Aug 14, 2009 10:18:44am

re: #268 MandyManners

Remember the "Truths Squads" in Missouri, a collection of prosecutors and sheriffs who wanted to prosecute people who told "lies" about FCBBHO during the campaign?

Missouri Prosecutors, Sheriffs 'Target Anyone Who Lies' About Barack Obama

And let's not forget the White House's wholly-owned subsidiary rent-a-mob group, Organizing for America.

286 [deleted]  Fri, Aug 14, 2009 10:18:54am
287 wrenchwench  Fri, Aug 14, 2009 10:19:36am

re: #278 Honorary Yooper

Very interesting indeed.

Looking at Newsmax, it appears the top two involved are one Christopher Ruddy and one Richard Scaife.

And Wiki is not necessarily a good source on Ruddy:

Ruddy has been a "Sustaining Donor" to the Wikimedia Foundation.[12]
288 Shug  Fri, Aug 14, 2009 10:19:37am

I remember way back in the early days of the internet exchanging lots of interesting e-mails with Christopher Ruddy about the death of Vincent Foster.

Lots of the forensics and details of the crime scene flew in the face of the the story of suicide.
He wrote a pretty nice book on the event

289 SixDegrees  Fri, Aug 14, 2009 10:19:38am

re: #223 Cato the Elder

Newsmax is also a front for one of the most evil individuals it has ever been my misfortune to encounter. I'm not at liberty to say more, because he's dangerous. But I'm dead serious. Even his relatives are scared of him.

Wow! Sounds like something straight out of...a Newsmax article!

290 Desert Dog  Fri, Aug 14, 2009 10:19:42am

re: #283 Sharmuta

The left still has them. The anarchists created plenty of trouble in Denver and St. Paul. I believe they attacked a bus of Boy Scouts in St. Paul.

Those evil Boy Scouts had it coming!

291 Dianna  Fri, Aug 14, 2009 10:20:16am

I don't really approve of boycotts.

292 MandyManners  Fri, Aug 14, 2009 10:20:19am

Obama general counsel Bob Bauer today sent a second, sharper letter to the Justice Department, directly attacking the Dallas billionaire funding a harsh attack ad, Harold Simmons.

"We reiterate our request that the Department of Justice fulfill its commitment to take prompt action to investigate and to prosecute the American issues Project, and we further request that the Department of Justice investigate and prosecute Howard (sic) Simmons for a knowing and willful violation of the individual aggregate contribution limits," he wrote.

He called the group's activities "patently illegal."

Bauer made the case that Simmons' group fulfilling its a real nonprofit charter because it hasn't spent any money on anything other than attacking Obama.

The American Issues Project released a statement responding to the letter.

"Having failed in its attempts to get our legal, factual and fully-supported ad off the air, Barack Obama's campaign now wants to put our donors in prison for exercising their right to free speech," said Ed Martin, the group's president. "These over-the-top bullying tactics are reminiscent of the kind of censorship one would see in a Stalinist dictatorship, with the only difference being that those guys generally had to wait until they were in power to throw people who disagreed with them into jail."


SNIP

293 Shug  Fri, Aug 14, 2009 10:20:21am

re: #289 SixDegrees

Wow! Sounds like something straight out of...a Newsmax article!


doh

294 Gretchen G.Tiger  Fri, Aug 14, 2009 10:20:30am

re: #272 Dadaist

Nutcases in my experience are attracted to the left and the right in roughly equal proportions. At different times, depending on what's happening politically, one sides lunatics are more stirred up than the others. During the Bush years the left nutcases were on prominent display. At the moment, those on the right are out in full force.

The main difference is that, at the absolutely wild edges of the political spectrum, "our" crazies are more likely to be heavily armed than their crazies. A hippy lunatic is more likely to spend their time making papier mache puppet heads or trying to tap into the inherent powers of crystals to change the world than actually putting together half-witted plans to bump off political leaders.

That wasn't always the case of course. Back in the 60s and 70s, the left crazies had a bit of thing for bombings and bank robberies.

I think the left wing crazies are still up to making bombs --or giving tons of money to those who make the bombs. I'm tired of the constant reference to right-wing crazies with guns. It's a dangerous road on which to tread. Our 2nd Amendment rights are constantly being questioned.

I think we need to remember that the right-wing crazies have guns and technically, as crazies. they shouldn't. The issue here is not right-wing --but mental illness.

295 That's Glenn Beck to you  Fri, Aug 14, 2009 10:20:53am

re: #282 Charles

Color of Change is a group I probably wouldn't agree with very much, but for this campaign to make Glenn Beck's advertisers aware of what they're supporting, they get a big thumbs up from me. This is the consequence of the irresponsible hate speech that Beck spews on his show.

Hate speech?

Are you aware that I have a framed picture of Dr. Martin Luther King that I used as a prop once? How can anyone who has a framed picture of Dr. Martin Luther King be accused of hate speech?

296 Sharmuta  Fri, Aug 14, 2009 10:21:17am

re: #275 quiet man

I quit watching fox news yeas ago because I found it to be not much different than any other network. When "fair and balanced" means I get to follow Anna Nicole Smith's corpse around instead of hearing real news, then I know I'm wasting my time.

297 JHW  Fri, Aug 14, 2009 10:21:17am

Not that it matters, but I can't stand watching monologue spewers from any side of the political spectrum, be it Beck, Olberman, Maddow or whomever.Haven't watched more than 5 minutes of any of them. Ditto talk radio. Straight news coverage is all I'm interested in and please don't shoot me, but CNN seems to be a bit better at this than the others lately AFAIC. None of them are of much value on getting anything in depth or completely error free, so I've relied on the widest variety of sources from the internet such as various international news agencies, different nations' well known publications and such. I didn't even know how to turn on a computer 5 years ago and now I find it indispensable.

298 Ayeless in Ghazi  Fri, Aug 14, 2009 10:21:28am

This article (and the picture at the top!) reminded me of Glenn Beck and his performances on Fox:

Look of fear sparks fast reaction

A look of horror will grab the attention of those around you faster than a smile, US research shows.

Individuals react more quickly to a fearful expression than to faces showing other emotions such as joy, a study in the journal Emotion found.

[Link: news.bbc.co.uk...]

299 albusteve  Fri, Aug 14, 2009 10:21:35am

re: #291 Dianna

I don't really approve of boycotts.

it's freedom of expression, that's the appeal to me...and the fact they need no ones approval

300 Desert Dog  Fri, Aug 14, 2009 10:21:38am

re: #285 lobo91

And let's not forget the White House's wholly-owned subsidiary rent-a-mob group, Organizing for America.

Anytime you see a group with the word "Truth" in it, watch out...that is usually the last thing you find there. Truth Squads my ass.

301 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Aug 14, 2009 10:21:57am

re: #291 Dianna

I don't really approve of boycotts.

Neither do I.

302 Irish Rose  Fri, Aug 14, 2009 10:22:24am

re: #249 That's Glenn Beck to you

You're killin' me here ;).

303 Shug  Fri, Aug 14, 2009 10:22:27am

I say we call for a boycott on boycotts

304 Randall Gross  Fri, Aug 14, 2009 10:23:04am

Any consumer of news who doesn't use multiple and opposed sources is foolish. I listen to Rush, I listen to NPR. I watch Fox, CNN, and MSNBC. I read foreign news sources as well as US sources. Everyone has an angle so you are best off making decisions and conclusions with multiple sources. If you don't occasionally challenge your views by openly considering sources opposed to your viewpoint, then you are building bias and not knowledge.

This is why I read reports from the front from all over, including several mouthpieces of the Taliban. Even they occasionally have to state a grain of truth which you can balance with knowledge of their bias, background and goals.

That said some sources are so delusional, wild, and untrustworthy that you can't trust them for anything even if you think you know their bias. Tomorrow Beck could get totally behind Obama, and it wouldn't surprise me in the least.

305 Desert Dog  Fri, Aug 14, 2009 10:23:09am

re: #303 Shug

I say we call for a boycott on boycotts

We should get some girlcotts too...you know, in the name of fairness

306 Charles Johnson  Fri, Aug 14, 2009 10:23:22am

Advertisers have no obligation to spend their money with a show that promotes hatred and extremism.

307 Honorary Yooper  Fri, Aug 14, 2009 10:23:44am

re: #287 wrenchwench

And Wiki is not necessarily a good source on Ruddy:

Ruddy has been a "Sustaining Donor" to the Wikimedia Foundation.[12]

I noticed that when I went to Wiki. However, how many "Sustaining Donors" does Wiki have, and how much control over content can they have?

308 lobo91  Fri, Aug 14, 2009 10:24:02am

re: #300 Desert Dog

Anytime you see a group with the word "Truth" in it, watch out...that is usually the last thing you find there. Truth Squads my ass.

Much like the rule of thumb regarding countries whose names include "Democratic Republic."

309 Dianna  Fri, Aug 14, 2009 10:24:08am

re: #299 albusteve

it's freedom of expression, that's the appeal to me...and the fact they need no ones approval

No problem. I'm just musing on this subject.

310 MandyManners  Fri, Aug 14, 2009 10:24:24am

Police in Denver arrested an ABC News producer today as he and a camera crew were attempting to take pictures on a public sidewalk of Democratic senators and VIP donors leaving a private meeting at the Brown Palace Hotel.

Police on the scene refused to tell ABC lawyers the charges against the producer, Asa Eslocker, who works with the ABC News investigative unit.

A cigar-smoking Denver police sergeant, accompanied by a team of five other officers, first put his hands on Eslocker's neck, then twisted the producer's arm behind him to put on handcuffs.

A police official later told lawyers for ABC News that Eslocker is being charged with trespass, interference, and failure to follow a lawful order. He also said the arrest followed a signed complaint from the Brown Palace Hotel.

Eslocker was put in handcuffs and loaded in the back of a police van which headed for a nearby police station.

Video taken at the scene shows a man, wearing the uniform of a Boulder County sheriff, ordering Eslocker off the sidewalk in front of the hotel, to the side of the entrance.

SNIP

311 Kosh's Shadow  Fri, Aug 14, 2009 10:24:33am

re: #292 MandyManners

Obama general counsel Bob Bauer today sent a second, sharper letter to the Justice Department, directly attacking the Dallas billionaire funding a harsh attack ad, Harold Simmons.


SNIP

Next up, attacking the "Israel lobby" for not explaining the Palestinian side.

312 That's Glenn Beck to you  Fri, Aug 14, 2009 10:24:40am

Right now my entire research staff (an intern from Oral Robert's University named "Timmy") and I are holding hands and surrounding my framed picture of Dr. Martin Luther King singing "We Shall Overcome" until people stop accusing me of hate speech.

313 quiet man  Fri, Aug 14, 2009 10:24:53am

re: #296 Sharmuta

I wont argue that the 24/7 aspect of the news cycle often takes you into overkill and stupidity only too often.

that is why I like the internet..you search for something, both sides come up and you can choose what you wish to read or study

314 Gretchen G.Tiger  Fri, Aug 14, 2009 10:24:55am

It's been fun, but I have to leave.

Have a great day all!

315 Dadaist  Fri, Aug 14, 2009 10:25:02am

re: #226 quiet man

Irish rose what do you watch then?? I cant watch CNN, CNBC, or the netwarks due to bias..

Fox is still far more fair than those networks ever were. Is there one you believe to be more fair and balanced??

It hurts me to say this, but CNN is probably the least crazed of the three major news networks at the moment.

Note, I am not saying that CNN is unbiased. It leans clearly to the left. But it does so in a way that is basically in keeping with the standard liberal worldview of the mainstream media. MSNBC and Fox on the other hand have made partisan political identity into their chief selling points.

I used to watch Fox. It used to be conservative leaning in much the same way as CNN is liberal leaning and at that point I preferred it because a mild conservative bias at least had the effect of counterbalancing the liberal bias of most of the rest of the media. Also, if I'm to be honest, it's nicer watching news presented with a mild slant that I tend to agree with than news with a mild slant that I tend to disagree with.

I agree entirely with Irish Rose that the current incarnation of Fox is practically unwatchable. I exclude some of their presenters from that - I can't tell for instance what Shep Smith's political views are, and that's a good thing - but if you just turn it on at random you are likely to encounter a thoroughly partisan and occasionally lunatic mess.

316 Bronco Bama FTW  Fri, Aug 14, 2009 10:25:15am

Yea I posted about this one a few days ago on the Nazi Screaming article. Completely agree with the folks that the only way to hit back against this type of stuff is to go after the money.

Also agree that companies don't just fold up their advertising tent because colorofchange comes knocking. People who control advertising dollars at these companies are looking at Beck content and thinking "oh man that looks pretty bad".

As a leftie reader I have seen these kinds of campaigns aimed at O'Rielly by Media Matters but normally Bill is able to stay under the super crazy, "oh man that looks pretty bad" line and the campaigns don't produce a whole lot. This one is on Beck.

317 Dianna  Fri, Aug 14, 2009 10:25:17am

re: #306 Charles

Advertisers have no obligation to spend their money with a show that promotes hatred and extremism.

Certainly not.

318 Kosh's Shadow  Fri, Aug 14, 2009 10:25:24am

re: #308 lobo91

Much like the rule of thumb regarding countries whose names include "Democratic Republic."

Or the mideast groups with "peace" in the name

319 Irish Rose  Fri, Aug 14, 2009 10:25:34am

re: #284 quiet man

Never.

320 Sharmuta  Fri, Aug 14, 2009 10:25:52am

re: #313 quiet man

that is why I like the internet..you search for something, both sides come up and you can choose what you wish to read or study

What? Are you looking for news or propaganda?

321 calcajun  Fri, Aug 14, 2009 10:25:53am

re: #303 Shug

Don't buy anything from people who call for boycotts?

322 Shug  Fri, Aug 14, 2009 10:26:06am

re: #315 Dadaist

It hurts me to say this, but CNN is probably the least crazed of the three major news networks at the moment.

Note, I am not saying that CNN is unbiased. It leans clearly to the left. But it does so in a way that is basically in keeping with the standard liberal worldview of the mainstream media. MSNBC and Fox on the other hand have made partisan political identity into their chief selling points.

I used to watch Fox. It used to be conservative leaning in much the same way as CNN is liberal leaning and at that point I preferred it because a mild conservative bias at least had the effect of counterbalancing the liberal bias of most of the rest of the media. Also, if I'm to be honest, it's nicer watching news presented with a mild slant that I tend to agree with than news with a mild slant that I tend to disagree with.

I agree entirely with Irish Rose that the current incarnation of Fox is practically unwatchable. I exclude some of their presenters from that - I can't tell for instance what Shep Smith's political views are, and that's a good thing - but if you just turn it on at random you are likely to encounter a thoroughly partisan and occasionally lunatic mess.


CNN is like NPR
FNC and MSNBC are like Mancow
and sometimes Howard Stern

323 doppelganglander  Fri, Aug 14, 2009 10:26:26am

re: #310 MandyManners

Police in Denver arrested an ABC News producer today as he and a camera crew were attempting to take pictures on a public sidewalk of Democratic senators and VIP donors leaving a private meeting at the Brown Palace Hotel.

SNIP

Interesting. Wasn't there some sort of incident in front of that same hotel during the Democratic National Convention last year?

324 Shug  Fri, Aug 14, 2009 10:26:44am

re: #323 doppelganglander

yep

325 quiet man  Fri, Aug 14, 2009 10:26:59am

re: #320 Sharmuta
Propaganda is what CNBC and CNN pump out.

If you areally interested you follow a story to its source...if possible

A tactic unknown to the lame stream media

326 Irish Rose  Fri, Aug 14, 2009 10:27:31am

re: #316 Locker

Yea I posted about this one a few days ago on the Nazi Screaming article. Completely agree with the folks that the only way to hit back against this type of stuff is to go after the money.

Also agree that companies don't just fold up their advertising tent because colorofchange comes knocking. People who control advertising dollars at these companies are looking at Beck content and thinking "oh man that looks pretty bad".

Someone needs to email Spencer and Gellers' advertisers.

327 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Aug 14, 2009 10:27:37am

re: #306 Charles

Advertisers have no obligation to spend their money with a show that promotes hatred and extremism.

But they will if it serves their bottom line, money.

328 Gus  Fri, Aug 14, 2009 10:27:38am

re: #306 Charles

Advertisers have no obligation to spend their money with a show that promotes hatred and extremism.

The reminds me of a couple of things related to boycotts:

1. David Letterman in the matter of Sarah Palin.

2. Proctor and Gamble boycott by the far-right in the matter of their gay policies which was led by James Dobson, Focus on the Family, etc.

Ironically it was P and G that was a sponsor of Glenn Beck and now they pull out.

329 MandyManners  Fri, Aug 14, 2009 10:28:23am

We've learned that ABC News' associate producer Asa Eslocker has been advised by his lawyers not to speak about the events of yesterday, when he was arrested for filming outside the Brown Palace Hotel.

We've also learned that the hotel today admitted that, no, they don't own the sidewalk, thereby making their arrest of Eslocker all the more suspect.

A memo from Eslocker's lawyers, as well as notes from the ACLU and Reporters Without Borders after the jump...

The following can be attributed to Anthony D. Romero, Executive Director of the American Civil Liberties Union:

"The physical removal of ABC reporter Asa Eslocker from public property and his subsequent arrest are a blatant assault on the First Amendment. Arresting a reporter for simply doing his job is both unconstitutional and un-American. That free speech is curtailed during the Democratic Convention underscores the need for continued protection of civil liberties, regardless of the party in power."

330 wrenchwench  Fri, Aug 14, 2009 10:28:39am

re: #307 Honorary Yooper

I noticed that when I went to Wiki. However, how many "Sustaining Donors" does Wiki have, and how much control over content can they have?

Probably doesn't matter since everything there must be fact-checked anyway.

331 doppelganglander  Fri, Aug 14, 2009 10:29:58am

re: #329 MandyManners

We've learned that ABC News' associate producer Asa Eslocker has been advised by his lawyers not to speak about the events of yesterday, when he was arrested for filming outside the Brown Palace Hotel.

The following can be attributed to Anthony D. Romero, Executive Director of the American Civil Liberties Union:

"The physical removal of ABC reporter Asa Eslocker from public property and his subsequent arrest are a blatant assault on the First Amendment. Arresting a reporter for simply doing his job is both unconstitutional and un-American. That free speech is curtailed during the Democratic Convention underscores the need for continued protection of civil liberties, regardless of the party in power."

A-ha! This is the incident from last year that I was thinking of. I don't mind the reminder of past events, but it might be helpful if you put the date of the incident in your post.

332 ~Fianna  Fri, Aug 14, 2009 10:30:02am

re: #98 yesandno

I couldn't agree more...one day he will look brilliant to people who think he is stupid right now.

And that will be the day that I finally accept this country is beyond repair and I move.

It's one thing to disagree politically - that's absolutely vital to our system. We need engaged, informed and responsible people vigorously and honestly debating the issues... Unfortunately, Beck is missing the "honestly" part and his disinformation is motivating a cancer growing in our body politic. (Yes, you can say the same thing about Code Pink and the Troofers on the left, but no one gave them the kind of platform that Birthers and Deathers are getting on Beck's show.)

If this style of debate becomes American brilliance and Beck's wild postulations and hyperventallations become fact, then we'd all better practice Mandarin pretty quick, because we're done.

333 kansas  Fri, Aug 14, 2009 10:30:12am

OT Anybody got any links to the stand off yesterday? That seems to have gone away.

334 Syrah  Fri, Aug 14, 2009 10:30:39am

re: #327 Walter L. Newton

But they will if it serves their bottom line, money.

Not everybody is solely motivated by money. People are people. A business is run by people, not automatons.

335 MandyManners  Fri, Aug 14, 2009 10:30:45am

BRB

336 Sharmuta  Fri, Aug 14, 2009 10:30:56am

re: #325 quiet man

No- the other networks produce news as much as or as little as fox news. As much as I am no fan of media, to think only fox produces news and the other networks produce propaganda is ridiculous on its face.

337 JEA62  Fri, Aug 14, 2009 10:31:23am

re: #251 Wendya

Were Cheney's ties to Halliburton troubling to you? How about his link to that Novak columnist? Were Bush's ties to big oil troubling to you? Seems to me those folks got some breaks in the Bush White House.

Truly amazing how conservatives criticize Democrats for the same things they do. How about the boycotts against Disney and ABC a few years back for their policies regarding gays?

338 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Aug 14, 2009 10:32:23am

re: #334 Syrah

Not everybody is solely motivated by money. People are people. A business is run by people, not automatons.

I didn't say every business, did I?

339 Honorary Yooper  Fri, Aug 14, 2009 10:32:58am

re: #326 Irish Rose

Someone needs to email Spencer and Gellers' advertisers.

Unfortunately, they seem to have "other" funding.

340 Dadaist  Fri, Aug 14, 2009 10:33:01am

re: #283 Sharmuta

The left still has them. The anarchists created plenty of trouble in Denver and St. Paul. I believe they attacked a bus of Boy Scouts in St. Paul.

Sure. I don't mean to imply that the left crazies are all pacifists. But even the anarchists tend to be violent in a "let's stage a riot" way rather than a "let's shoot the evil Senator" way.

At the moment at least. The Weather Underground and the other armed leftist terror groups of the 60s and 70s had their origins in what was originally a street fighting / rioting milieu. As the street fighting stuff petered out, the most radical wing of that movement turned to more serious violence. It's by no means impossible that a certain sub category of our present day left crazies could go the same way in the future, but it has to be said that it's been a pretty long time since that sort of thing last happened.

These days domestic terrorists tend to come in two categories. (1) Islamic fundamentalist nutcases. (2) Ultra-right wing nutcases. The Ultra-left wing nutcases tend currently to be preoccupied with making papier mache heads and occasionally having an outburst of trying to fight the cops at demonstrations.

341 quiet man  Fri, Aug 14, 2009 10:33:05am

re: #336 Sharmuta
downding

CNN allowed Saddam any news he wanted when he was in power for access..and CNBC ihas been in the pocket for Obama, defrauding anyone who watches them.

Fox always shows both sides of the debate

342 Charpete67  Fri, Aug 14, 2009 10:33:14am

re: #338 Walter L. Newton

I didn't say every business, did I?

...only the successful ones...

343 Syrah  Fri, Aug 14, 2009 10:33:56am

re: #338 Walter L. Newton

Your comment was broad.

344 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Aug 14, 2009 10:34:24am

re: #342 Charpete67

...only the successful ones...

Spot on.

345 [deleted]  Fri, Aug 14, 2009 10:34:47am
346 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Aug 14, 2009 10:35:03am

re: #343 Syrah

Your comment was broad.

You're correct. I didn't mean every business. But it happen, more times than less I suspect.

347 Bronco Bama FTW  Fri, Aug 14, 2009 10:35:28am

re: #294 ggt

I think the left wing crazies are still up to making bombs --or giving tons of money to those who make the bombs. I'm tired of the constant reference to right-wing crazies with guns. It's a dangerous road on which to tread. Our 2nd Amendment rights are constantly being questioned.

I think we need to remember that the right-wing crazies have guns and technically, as crazies. they shouldn't. The issue here is not right-wing --but mental illness.

I'm sure you are tired of it but that doesn't change reality. If group A has guns and likes war/violence and group B doesn't like guns or war/violence and 20pct of each group is crazy it's not hard to predict from where the majority of violent crazies will come.

This is not my argument for gun control but rather my argument for ownership of reality and responsibility. If the right wants to keep their guns and is tired of the "right wing crazies with guns" stuff they they have to educate and control their own group mates.

The same could be said on the left with regard to say PETA. If the left wants to help animals and actually get support from some fur loving beef rancher they better denounce and control the paint chucking, SUV trashing nut jobs to be taken seriously.

It's us against the Moon Nuts, regardless of affiliation.

348 kansas  Fri, Aug 14, 2009 10:35:36am

re: #345 taxfreekiller

He must have been a registered Democrat.

I was wondering. I mean that just disappeared.

349 Sharmuta  Fri, Aug 14, 2009 10:36:31am

re: #341 quiet man

Fox always shows both sides of the debate

Right- like how Obama's not gearing up for eugenics, but he is? That kind of both sides?

350 Pvt Bin Jammin  Fri, Aug 14, 2009 10:37:07am

re: #285 lobo91

And let's not forget the White House's wholly-owned subsidiary rent-a-mob group, Organizing for America.

They were at our local Town Hall this week:
"A local anti-tax group, Pasadena Patriots, rallied members, as did the local Republican party.

And the Organizing for America group, the one-time campaign for President Barack Obama, also turned out supporters, as did several union and immigration groups.
[Link: www.pasadenastarnews.com...]

351 Charpete67  Fri, Aug 14, 2009 10:37:08am

re: #344 Walter L. Newton

Spot on.

the only thing companies owe is profit to their shareholders/owners. If you don't like their products (or, in this case where they advertise) then buy something else. If you don't like working there, work some where else. If you think they are a bad company, sell their stock.

Companies who "give back to their community" do so to generate good will and positive images.

352 Randall Gross  Fri, Aug 14, 2009 10:37:19am

Meanwhile crazy Gellar is outing "the fifth column" and infiltrators to town halls, when we all know that Levin, Limbaugh, and LaRouche have all doubled down on Godwinianism when it comes to Obama.

353 quiet man  Fri, Aug 14, 2009 10:37:49am

re: #349 Sharmuta

re: #341 quiet man


Right- like how Obama's not gearing up for eugenics, but he is? That kind of both sides?

Exactly..they have covered that topic from all directions..you would know this if you got past the slogan

354 [deleted]  Fri, Aug 14, 2009 10:38:01am
355 kansas  Fri, Aug 14, 2009 10:38:08am

re: #341 quiet man

downding

CNN allowed Saddam any news he wanted when he was in power for access..and CNBC ihas been in the pocket for Obama, defrauding anyone who watches them.

Fox always shows both sides of the debate

Sometimes they do, which is more than MSNBC or any of the others.

356 JustABill  Fri, Aug 14, 2009 10:38:26am

re: #340 Dadaist

You forgot about the eco-crazies. They tend to be mostly crimes against property, but the Unabomber is a notable exception.

357 KenJen  Fri, Aug 14, 2009 10:38:45am

Wonder if Lawyers.com has bailed on Beck yet?

358 gutta percha  Fri, Aug 14, 2009 10:38:52am

I'm not a Glenn Beck fan, but anything that gets Geico commercials off the air can't be all bad.

359 quiet man  Fri, Aug 14, 2009 10:38:53am

re: #355 kansas

so true..and I say they are far from perfect news...just better than the alternatives on TV

by far

360 Randall Gross  Fri, Aug 14, 2009 10:38:55am

/pimf "Geller"

361 Ojoe  Fri, Aug 14, 2009 10:39:21am

I detest politics.

362 theheat  Fri, Aug 14, 2009 10:40:25am

re: #341 quiet man

Fox always shows both sides of the debate

Are you making this up as you go along? If you consider middle of the road to be rabid racists, Jew haters, Nazi sympathizers, creationists, and conspiracy theorists through more than 50% of their programming - I suppose that qualifies.

363 quiet man  Fri, Aug 14, 2009 10:41:14am

re: #362 theheat

re: #341 quiet man


Are you making this up as you go along? If you consider middle of the road to be rabid racists, Jew haters, Nazi sympathizers, creationists, and conspiracy theorists through more than 50% of their programming - I suppose that qualifies.


Prove any of that, if you can.

364 Gus  Fri, Aug 14, 2009 10:41:26am

August 13, 2009: Glenn Beck's Operation

Jon Stewart on Glenn Beck/Health Care

He exposes some "interesting" contrasts.

365 Wendya  Fri, Aug 14, 2009 10:41:35am

re: #337 JEA62

Were Cheney's ties to Halliburton troubling to you? How about his link to that Novak columnist? Were Bush's ties to big oil troubling to you? Seems to me those folks got some breaks in the Bush White House.

Truly amazing how conservatives criticize Democrats for the same things they do. How about the boycotts against Disney and ABC a few years back for their policies regarding gays?

Sweetie, if Cheney founded an organization and had targeted a "media type" for removal and was subsequently given an advisor post under the administration while his organization redoubled its efforts to get said "media type" removed, I'd have big damned problems with it.

I don't know why in the hell you're dragging halliburton or "big oil" into this since neither have jack shit to do with getting an enemy of the administration off the air.

366 Ojoe  Fri, Aug 14, 2009 10:41:41am

re: #340 Dadaist

The weather underground's bomb factory blew up prematurely.
Link

367 Kenneth  Fri, Aug 14, 2009 10:41:47am

re: #347 Locker

Some extreme environmentalists have been bombing pipelines up in British Columbia lately. The left has some violent wackos, too.

368 Sharmuta  Fri, Aug 14, 2009 10:41:54am

re: #353 quiet man

Exactly..they have covered that topic from all directions..you would know this if you got past the slogan

Except there are NOT two or more sides to that story! Eugenics isn't coming.

369 theheat  Fri, Aug 14, 2009 10:42:22am

re: #363 quiet man

For fuck's sake, look at their lineup.

370 quiet man  Fri, Aug 14, 2009 10:42:45am

re: #368 Sharmuta

Maybe not..yet it was certainly in the news, wasn't it??

371 kansas  Fri, Aug 14, 2009 10:43:15am

re: #365 Wendya
re: #337 JEA62

Were Cheney's ties to Halliburton troubling to you? How about his link to that Novak columnist? Were Bush's ties to big oil troubling to you? Seems to me those folks got some breaks in the Bush White House.

Truly amazing how conservatives criticize Democrats for the same things they do. How about the boycotts against Disney and ABC a few years back for their policies regarding gays?

9/11 was an inside job too I bet.

372 Sharmuta  Fri, Aug 14, 2009 10:43:26am

re: #370 quiet man

It was manufactured, yes.

373 Shug  Fri, Aug 14, 2009 10:43:28am

My wife noticed a picture of Mt Rushmore last night on TV and commented to me that probably 90% of people who get their political news from Jon Stewart probably can't name more than 1 of the faces on Mt Rushmore.

smart lady

374 quiet man  Fri, Aug 14, 2009 10:43:37am

re: #369 theheat

re: #363 quiet man

For fuck's sake, look at their lineup.


That is your response??
wow.

375 Cato the Elder  Fri, Aug 14, 2009 10:44:48am

re: #278 Honorary Yooper

Very interesting indeed.

Looking at Newsmax, it appears the top two involved are one Christopher Ruddy and one Richard Scaife.

I can confirm that neither of those men is the one I mean.

376 JustABill  Fri, Aug 14, 2009 10:44:55am

re: #357 KenJen

Wonder if Lawyers.com has bailed on Beck yet?

Why would they, I can see where many of Becks core audience could use legal services in the not too distant future. (sort of / but not really)

377 Shug  Fri, Aug 14, 2009 10:45:11am

locker did I hit a nerve?

your only one?

378 quiet man  Fri, Aug 14, 2009 10:45:13am

re: #372 Sharmuta
that is your opinion only...
and not a reason to pretned the story has no legs or is unworthy.


It was okay for them to discuss it in full instead of a kneejerk

379 kansas  Fri, Aug 14, 2009 10:46:15am

re: #374 quiet man

That is your response??
wow.

I think for fuck's sake is pretty strong argument./

380 Sharmuta  Fri, Aug 14, 2009 10:46:38am

re: #378 quiet man

It's not my opinion, it's a fact. And it is unworthy - it's being spread by Alex Jones. Go ahead and defend it. Please- knock yourself out.

381 quiet man  Fri, Aug 14, 2009 10:46:45am

re: #379 kansas

true..it has a certain power..worked when I was 9 years old pretty well.

382 LwoodPDowd  Fri, Aug 14, 2009 10:46:56am

re: #331 doppelganglander

A-ha! This is the incident from last year that I was thinking of. I don't mind the reminder of past events, but it might be helpful if you put the date of the incident in your post.

Her link about Obama's general counsel complaining about AIP is also a year old and represents standard electioneering. I can assure you republicans were actively trying going after Soros "non-profit" campaign money-laundering operations as well. Very disingenuous to not point out that the headline was a year old.

383 quiet man  Fri, Aug 14, 2009 10:47:27am

re: #380 Sharmuta
I will defend discussing it..even Obama did that..wanna down ding him too??

384 [deleted]  Fri, Aug 14, 2009 10:47:28am
385 Cato the Elder  Fri, Aug 14, 2009 10:47:38am

re: #225 Desert Dog

Is it...Satan?

PIMF: My #254 was meant to reply to your quite reasonable question above, not to Calcajun's post. Sorry for the confusion.

386 Honorary Yooper  Fri, Aug 14, 2009 10:47:48am

re: #373 Shug

The Daily Show has been unwatchable, IMHO, since Craig Kilbourn left.

387 Shug  Fri, Aug 14, 2009 10:48:44am

re: #384 taxfreekiller

ABC News "Night Lie" 30 years of lies and pure clap trap propaganda.


I liked the Martin Bashir reports on Michael Jackson though

388 Honorary Yooper  Fri, Aug 14, 2009 10:49:10am

re: #380 Sharmuta

It's not my opinion, it's a fact. And it is unworthy - it's being spread by Alex Jones. Go ahead and defend it. Please- knock yourself out.

I'm of the opinion that Alex Jones has yet to meet a conspiracy theory he doesn't like. The man is completely nuts.

389 [deleted]  Fri, Aug 14, 2009 10:49:12am
390 Syrah  Fri, Aug 14, 2009 10:49:26am

re: #351 Charpete67

the only thing companies owe is profit to their shareholders/owners.

Such companies that run are run soley as amoral profit machines too often end up with reputation comparable to Enron. Enron was such a company. In the end, they were so cut throat that they cut their own throats.

391 MandyManners  Fri, Aug 14, 2009 10:49:35am

re: #358 gutta percha

I'm not a Glenn Beck fan, but anything that gets Geico commercials off the air can't be all bad.

YOU HATE LIZARDS?!

392 Dadaist  Fri, Aug 14, 2009 10:49:39am

re: #294 ggt

I think the left wing crazies are still up to making bombs --or giving tons of money to those who make the bombs. I'm tired of the constant reference to right-wing crazies with guns. It's a dangerous road on which to tread. Our 2nd Amendment rights are constantly being questioned.

I think we need to remember that the right-wing crazies have guns and technically, as crazies. they shouldn't. The issue here is not right-wing --but mental illness.

I'm not sure what you are referring to when you talk about the left wing crazies still making bombs. If they are, they must be keeping them in a warehouse somewhere because it's been a hell of a long time since a serious incident of domestic terrorism could be laid at their door. These days its the Islamic fundamentalists in pole position, with the ultra-right wing loons some way behind. That ultra-left wing crazies are well capable of going that route isn't in question - Weather Underground, SLA and the constellation of other left wing terrorist groups of the 60s and 70s provide all the evidence we need on that socre - but factually speaking they just haven't been at it for some decades.

On the other hand, I agree with you entirely on the 2nd Amendment point. I absolutely did not mean to give the impression that gun control would be some kind of answer to this problem. You are correct that the problem with right wing crazies with guns isn't that they are right wingers with guns but that they are crazies with guns and the only form of gun control I'm strongly in favour of consists of measures to make sure that the seriously mentally ill find it hard to get hold of weaponry. I am a strong supporter of 2nd Amendment rights.

However, it is a fact that right wingers are more likely to be armed than left wingers. Part of that is ideological - a greater affinity for 2nd amendment rights - and part of that is demographic - who the voter base is. Given roughly equal numbers of nutcases on left and right and given that the right nutcases are currently more riled up, it stands to reason that there are currently more people who fit the armed, crazy and dangerous bill on the right extreme than on the left extreme.

393 Pianobuff  Fri, Aug 14, 2009 10:49:45am

What's the countdown on the FR thread condemning LGF?

394 Sharmuta  Fri, Aug 14, 2009 10:49:52am

re: #388 Honorary Yooper

I'm of the opinion that Alex Jones has yet to meet a conspiracy theory he doesn't like. The man is completely nuts.

And if it gets picked up by fox news, it's worthy of discussing apparently.

395 kansas  Fri, Aug 14, 2009 10:50:37am

re: #391 MandyManners

YOU HATE LIZARDS?!

That little fucker spent that guy's first dollar on chips. Cmon, you gotta hate that.

396 Ojoe  Fri, Aug 14, 2009 10:51:15am

re: #389 taxfreekiller

Also NYT

397 SFGoth  Fri, Aug 14, 2009 10:51:34am

Fox would reap the $$$ big time if they replaced Glenn Beck with Jeff Beck and just let him wail.

398 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Aug 14, 2009 10:51:58am

re: #395 kansas

That little fucker spent that guy's first dollar on chips. Cmon, you gotta hate that.

And he called them "crisp" not chips!!

399 JHW  Fri, Aug 14, 2009 10:52:20am

One of the things, among many others, that bother me about network TV at present is their reliance on doing things on the cheap compared to the distant past. Fox, for instance, just showed a 9-11 tape of a dog attack. Then cue the talking heads. All the networks have cut overseas staff in particular to the bone, and they all rely too much on talking heads(cheap, as opposed to staff out in the field).Can anyone imagine videos of local cop car chases being aired on Huntley-Brinkley if they'd been available? Yet this kind of filler is standard for network television.

400 Bronco Bama FTW  Fri, Aug 14, 2009 10:52:31am

All this Glen talk has me in a punky mode and I can't stop listening to this:

[Link: www.playlist.com ...]

[Link: Lyrics...]

401 kansas  Fri, Aug 14, 2009 10:52:32am

re: #398 Cannadian Club Akbar

And he called them "crisp" not chips!!

Foreigner.

402 Bronco Bama FTW  Fri, Aug 14, 2009 10:53:01am

re: #395 kansas

That little fucker spent that guy's first dollar on chips. Cmon, you gotta hate that.

I believe it was crisps... the guy gets payback by falling on him later though.

403 [deleted]  Fri, Aug 14, 2009 10:53:19am
404 MandyManners  Fri, Aug 14, 2009 10:53:50am

re: #393 Pianobuff

What's the countdown on the FR thread condemning LGF?

Oh, fuck the freepers. I don't need any more sand in my shorts today.

405 Pianobuff  Fri, Aug 14, 2009 10:55:12am

re: #403 taxfreekiller

Left wing nuts no longer need bombs, they have Nancy Pelosi, Harry Reid, Barney Frank, Chuck Schummer, Chris Dodd, and Obama, and this wrecking crew only need votes and their House Bills and Senate Bills to destroy the U.S.A. . No bombs needed.

Heh. Speaking of which, I'm watching a video clip of Pelosi saying she is a fan of disruptors.

406 Bronco Bama FTW  Fri, Aug 14, 2009 10:55:27am

re: #404 MandyManners

Oh, fuck the freepers. I don't need any more sand in my shorts today.

Sorry noobishness but anyway... what's a freeper? Thanks much.

407 MandyManners  Fri, Aug 14, 2009 10:55:37am

re: #395 kansas

That little fucker spent that guy's first dollar on chips. Cmon, you gotta hate that.

Obviously Da Man is not paying enough. And, maybe Da Peons should get free munchies during the day. That attempt to get Gecko into a suit was a thinly veiled attempt to make him think he's management.

408 Ojoe  Fri, Aug 14, 2009 10:55:57am

re: #390 Syrah

Actually, a corporation is granted a charter in order to do things beyond the scope of an individual, and the state grants it privileges in order that it can further the public good, and the profit it earns is to let it stay in business, but is theoretically incidental to the main reason it is chartered, If I understand this correctly.

409 MandyManners  Fri, Aug 14, 2009 10:56:51am

re: #406 Locker

Sorry noobishness but anyway... what's a freeper? Thanks much.

Freaks from Free Republic.

410 [deleted]  Fri, Aug 14, 2009 10:57:05am
411 Honorary Yooper  Fri, Aug 14, 2009 10:57:10am

re: #394 Sharmuta

And if it gets picked up by fox news, it's worthy of discussing apparently.

Heh. Then have I got a conspiracy for you! Did you know that Charles is really a giant lizard from a distant alien planet, and has a secret nitrogen-filled lair he posts from under Denver International Airport?

Wonder if this gets picked up by Faux News?

412 eschew_obfuscation  Fri, Aug 14, 2009 10:57:32am

re: #395 kansas

That little fucker spent that guy's first dollar on chips. Cmon, you gotta hate that.

That dollar was stolen by Big Insurance from a little old lady whose claim they later denied. He deserved it!
//

413 Sharmuta  Fri, Aug 14, 2009 10:57:57am

re: #411 Honorary Yooper

Ship it off to Alex Jones- it will be on Beck in a few weeks.

414 StillAMarine  Fri, Aug 14, 2009 10:58:05am

re: #376 JustABill

Why would they, I can see where many of Becks core audience could use legal services in the not too distant future. (sort of / but not really)

Mental services is more like it. Perhaps psychiatrists should advertise on GB's show. He may say something that makes sense once in a while, but he is so over the top 98% of the time that I have long since stopped being interested in his show.

415 MandyManners  Fri, Aug 14, 2009 10:58:27am

re: #411 Honorary Yooper

Heh. Then have I got a conspiracy for you! Did you know that Charles is really a giant lizard from a distant alien planet, and has a secret nitrogen-filled lair he posts from under Denver International Airport?

Wonder if this gets picked up by Faux News?

David Icke would find that important.

416 Bronco Bama FTW  Fri, Aug 14, 2009 10:58:55am

re: #411 Honorary Yooper

Heh. Then have I got a conspiracy for you! Did you know that Charles is really a giant lizard from a distant alien planet, and has a secret nitrogen-filled lair he posts from under Denver International Airport?

Wonder if this gets picked up by Faux News?

I think he'd like it a lot more in a nitrous-oxide filled lair. Only the best for the lizard king.

417 Pianobuff  Fri, Aug 14, 2009 10:59:19am

re: #413 Sharmuta

Ship it off to Alex Jones- it will be on Beck in a few weeks.

I thought they had a big blowout over the FEMA stuff. Have they kissed and made up?

418 JarHeadLifer  Fri, Aug 14, 2009 11:00:02am

re: #341 quiet man

downding

CNN allowed Saddam any news he wanted when he was in power for access..and CNBC ihas been in the pocket for Obama, defrauding anyone who watches them.

Fox always shows both sides of the debate

I agree. I generally don't watch any cable news, and FNC can irritate the piss out of me with the obnoxious graphics, and repetitive breaking-news "warning".

But, they do a better job of any of the broadcast or cable news outlets in giving all sides in the argument. Period.

419 Sharmuta  Fri, Aug 14, 2009 11:00:33am

re: #417 Pianobuff

Glen Beck and Alex Jones kissing? Ewww

420 kansas  Fri, Aug 14, 2009 11:00:34am

re: #405 Pianobuff

Heh. Speaking of which, I'm watching a video clip of Pelosi saying she is a fan of disruptors.

That statement is no longer operative. What she meant was disruptors of Republican events.

421 Kenneth  Fri, Aug 14, 2009 11:00:39am

re: #406 Locker

Free Republic. It's kind way out there on the right fringe. The threads are mostly unmoderated, so some pretty ugly stuff shows up.

422 quiet man  Fri, Aug 14, 2009 11:01:35am

re: #418 JarHeadLifer

I agree..sometimes I wish they were less biased and the rest of the news got a bit of that fever themselves..

but I find CNN espicially tedious in thier coverage...it is rare for me to turn to them anymore.

423 Dadaist  Fri, Aug 14, 2009 11:01:46am

re: #356 JustABill

You forgot about the eco-crazies. They tend to be mostly crimes against property, but the Unabomber is a notable exception.

You are entirely correct. I had forgotten about that particular breed of crazy and they need to be on the list.

424 Honorary Yooper  Fri, Aug 14, 2009 11:01:55am

re: #416 Locker

I think he'd like it a lot more in a nitrous-oxide filled lair. Only the best for the lizard king.

It's from a post a while ago with a pretty neat Cox and Forkum cartoon.

The Terrible Secret of LFG

425 kansas  Fri, Aug 14, 2009 11:02:08am

re: #422 quiet man

I agree..sometimes I wish they were less biased and the rest of the news got a bit of that fever themselves..

but I find CNN espicially tedious in thier coverage...it is rare for me to turn to them anymore.

What? The most trusted name in news? Cmon./

426 debutaunt  Fri, Aug 14, 2009 11:02:56am

re: #23 Spider Mensch

damn it now I got ethel mermann singing in my head...that voice will be with me all day...crap!

I do the funniest Ethel Merman impression singing the Show Business song. It frightens young children and jihadists.

427 quiet man  Fri, Aug 14, 2009 11:03:11am

re: #425 kansas

Thats what they tell you...and what they want you to believe a priori

/laugh

428 Bronco Bama FTW  Fri, Aug 14, 2009 11:04:28am

re: #424 Honorary Yooper

Oh man that was hilarious. I need that on a T-Shirt or something along with Charles' following tag.

429 JEA62  Fri, Aug 14, 2009 11:04:37am

re: #365 Wendya

The right tries to manipulate, the left tried to manipulate...

which is which, again?

They both seem increasingly the same to me. The centrists are the only sane ones left in this country.

430 largolarry  Fri, Aug 14, 2009 11:05:01am

If i had a friend who attended the church affiliated with white supremacists for 20 years, I would consider that person a racist.
There is no difference between that person and Obama. In fact, Obama is worse because he is both a racist and a Marxist.

431 Kenneth  Fri, Aug 14, 2009 11:06:06am

re: #423 Dadaist

Some eco-bombers at work in British Columbia lately, hitting pipelines.

432 _RememberTonyC  Fri, Aug 14, 2009 11:06:15am

re: #261 Charles

Van Jones has had no formal association with the group since last year.

I very strongly doubt that the White House is behind this boycott. Do you seriously believe the White House would risk the negative publicity they'd get if they were exposed, just to get Glenn Beck's advertisers to boycott him?

Nope. This is just the usual Newsmax scaremongering.

Sorry for the deayed response ... had to take a phone call. I think I have been pretty fair to the President since the election, although I am not a fan of many decisions he has made. And while he would certainly be smart enough to keep enough distance between himself and those acting on his behalf, he has made no secret of his animosity towards FOX news. He has done it himself and his Press Secretary does it regularly (as recently as yesterday). I think my record on this forum shows I am pretty moderate and not prone to believing conspiracy theories. But considering the animosity of the POTUS towards FOX which should not be in dispute, I think any connection to groups once headed by his appointees (even if they left the group a year ago) and actions against Obama's number one enemy in the media (FOX) should not be summarily dismissed.

433 Bronco Bama FTW  Fri, Aug 14, 2009 11:07:22am

re: #429 JEA62

Totally behind this one. It seems that the lunatic fringe of each side conspires to pull the centerist collaborators apart. We must be strong, respect each other and work together to marginalize the whack-jobs.

434 StillAMarine  Fri, Aug 14, 2009 11:10:59am

re: #418 JarHeadLifer

I agree. I generally don't watch any cable news, and FNC can irritate the piss out of me with the obnoxious graphics, and repetitive breaking-news "warning".

But, they do a better job of any of the broadcast or cable news outlets in giving all sides in the argument. Period.

Perhaps FOX is better than MSNBC, CBS or the like, but that is not saying much. Trust me, I learn more about what is going on here at LGF. Even so, I just wish to HELL that FOX would never again mention Michael Jackson or Anne Nichole Smith. Too much non-news fluff.

435 JRHelgeson  Fri, Aug 14, 2009 11:18:13am

We can all agree that the left is primarily emotion/feelings based, which is why logical based arguments do nothing to change how they feel about said issue other than to piss them off and have them start calling you names.

Conversely, the right seems to be more dominated by factual data, and emotions/feelings are secondary to those facts. We love the truth, even the truth hurts.

Problem with Beck is that he piles emotion onto a subject just like the left does, and it's not that he's wrong, he's just going overboard. They guy needs to get control of his emotions and not let it run wild with the facts. Town it down, get rid of the hyperbole and... well... wait a second...

The reason Beck is so popular is precisely because of that. The general population is scared to death about what is going on. He is portraying the inner turmoil and uncertainty that millions are feeling - so therefore people tend to connect with him. His audience feels better knowing that they're being heard... which is quite the opposite of inciting outrage.

The people that are prone to the violence are the ones on the furthest reaches of the right or left where it is once again all emotion based and they will invent facts to support their beliefs (e.g. Neo-Nazi's, Code Pink)

The main reason the left cannot identify a central figure orchestrating the town hall events is that conservative minded, liberty loving people are themselves leaders, they don't need a leader to call them to action. The media don't understand it because every one of their campaigns is orchestrated and Astroturfed from the start. The reality is that conservatives look to Glenn Beck for leadership as much as they do Saturday cartoons.

436 latingent  Fri, Aug 14, 2009 11:22:44am

Whats crazy is how many people watch his show. Mediabistro shows him so far ahead in the ratings for his time slot that no one else is even close. He rates 600% higher than Little Chrissy Matthews. I agree with almost nothing he says, and beating a man whose legs tingle over the sight of Obama is no accomplishment, but people are watching him...in droves. Scary.

437 SurferDoc  Fri, Aug 14, 2009 11:23:15am

re: #395 kansas

That little fucker spent that guy's first dollar on chips. Cmon, you gotta hate that.

Crisps.

438 Charles Johnson  Fri, Aug 14, 2009 11:24:37am

re: #435 JRHelgeson

I disagree. Even without the clownish histrionics, Beck's ideas are not just wrong, they're extremely wrong. He promotes stuff that's linked to the John Birch Society and Ron Paul, fantasies of revolution, End Times, and all kinds of other inflammatory crap.

439 Outrider  Fri, Aug 14, 2009 11:28:13am
"...according to the companies and Color of Change, one group that is organizing a campaign against the program..."

Just another way to quell any dissent.

440 _RememberTonyC  Fri, Aug 14, 2009 11:32:06am

re: #438 Charles

I disagree. Even without the clownish histrionics, Beck's ideas are not just wrong, they're extremely wrong. He promotes stuff that's linked to the John Birch Society and Ron Paul, fantasies of revolution, End Times, and all kinds of other inflammatory crap.

agreed. and his credibility has taken major hits for this stuff. and it is even more damaging because when he does some legitimate GOOD stuff like his tracking of ACORN's transgressions, regular folks won't consider the merits of that material because beck has compromised his credibility so thoroughly.

441 Drider  Fri, Aug 14, 2009 11:32:44am

Sargento?

Sounds like a product from the home of the fascists, what next, Che guava jelly inc. will bail?

442 Outrider  Fri, Aug 14, 2009 11:38:02am

re: #440 _RememberTonyC

agreed. and his credibility has taken major hits for this stuff. and it is even more damaging because when he does some legitimate GOOD stuff like his tracking of ACORN's transgressions, regular folks won't consider the merits of that material because beck has compromised his credibility so thoroughly.

true. it's a shame he feels he has to pander to the worst shades of the Conservative beliefs; to the loonies, instead of sticking to a good, solid platform of the ACES, ACORN, the Klunker deal, medical plans, etc...

On the other hand, he may very well be one of the loonies instead of a performer. ;->

443 _RememberTonyC  Fri, Aug 14, 2009 11:42:06am

re: #442 Outrider

true. it's a shame he feels he has to pander to the worst shades of the Conservative beliefs; to the loonies, instead of sticking to a good, solid platform of the ACES, ACORN, the Klunker deal, medical plans, etc...

On the other hand, he may very well be one of the loonies instead of a performer. ;->


you really said that well. bravo.

444 MilkOfMalfeasance  Fri, Aug 14, 2009 11:42:41am

re: #438 Charles

This could be why they are leaving...

445 Sharmuta  Fri, Aug 14, 2009 11:47:43am

re: #444 MilkOfMalfeasance

This could be why they are leaving...

That's a devastating smack down.

446 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Fri, Aug 14, 2009 12:16:04pm

re: #444 MilkOfMalfeasance

This could be why they are leaving...

Wait, what? So when Beck was working for CNN, the American health care system was a nightmare. Now that he works for FNC, just a little over a year later, it is the best health care system in the world?

Sounds like the words of a paid shill to me.

447 _RememberTonyC  Fri, Aug 14, 2009 12:17:16pm

Since this thread is dying, I have one final thought on this "Color of Change" group, co founded by a very important Obama appointee Van Jones. I don't believe for a minute that Beck is the only target here. And those who disagree should consider this bit of info:

It's not the first time Color of Change, which was founded in 2005, has sought to quell political speech from the right. It lobbied the Congressional Black Caucus not to host a Democratic presidential debate co-sponsored by Fox, arguing that it "consistently marginalizes . . . black leaders and the black community." Marching in lockstep, Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton shunned the debate.

They've been after FOX for longer than Beck has been on FOX's air. Was that debate dustup before May 2008? Because if it was, then Mr Jones was still part of the group. Thanks for listening.

448 hellosnackbar  Fri, Aug 14, 2009 12:21:35pm

Perhaps if Glenn Beck feels his career is in retreat?
He could appear as a guest on the "Jerry Springer show"
He would be quite at home with Jerry's usual guests.

449 Randall Gross  Fri, Aug 14, 2009 12:24:41pm

re: #438 Charles

I disagree. Even without the clownish histrionics, Beck's ideas are not just wrong, they're extremely wrong. He promotes stuff that's linked to the John Birch Society and Ron Paul, fantasies of revolution, End Times, and all kinds of other inflammatory crap.

You will also notice that he's pimping gold as well. As with most gloom and doomers of all stripes, it's a natural to pimp gold. You will see it at almost all loon sites.

450 MrPaulRevere  Fri, Aug 14, 2009 12:27:43pm

I have to say my hostility towards this buffoon Beck is now veering towards pity. I think it is obvious he is mentally ill, and needs help. Mental illness does run in his family: "His early life was pitted with tragedies; his mother and one of his brothers committed suicide..." [Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

451 GGMac  Fri, Aug 14, 2009 12:38:53pm

re: #24 freedomplow

Powerful PR Firm Helps Campaign to Get Glenn Beck Off The Air

As NewsBuster Matthew Vadum reported Wednesday, a race-baiting group named Color Of Change -- co-founded by President Obama's "Green Jobs Czar" Van Jones -- has launched a campaign to get companies to stop advertising on Glenn Beck's television program.

And Obama's green jobs czar, the self-proclaimed Communist Van Jones, co-founded this 'Color of Change' organization with James Rucker. Rucker's previous gig was as Director of Grassroots Mobilization for MoveOn Political Action and MoveOn Civic Action - and yes, that is MoveOn.org.

Yeah, Glenn Beck is in many ways an oddball. I'm not willing to write off an oddball who clearly loves this country, in favor of those who in one way or another make it a habit to form associations with a band of America-hating community organizers. And I don't give any quarter to sponsors who bend to the demands of those America-haters. It really wouldn't surprise me to hear Beck say 'good riddance'.

452 Ben G. Hazi  Fri, Aug 14, 2009 12:40:42pm

re: #98 yesandno

I couldn't agree more...one day he will look brilliant to people who think he is stupid right now.

Can I have some of what you're smoking? It must realy be some primo shit...

/"Glenn Beck" and "brilliant" do not belong in the same sentence...

453 Ben G. Hazi  Fri, Aug 14, 2009 12:47:06pm

re: #122 Shug

Glenn Beck has killed more Lizard accounts than just about any man alive

LOL!

/"Lizard killer!!!" - Aunt Edna, National Lampoon's Vacation

454 GGMac  Fri, Aug 14, 2009 12:59:36pm

re: #445 Sharmuta

That's a devastating smack down.


Yes, it is - and funny as all get out. Like Obama, Beck hasn't come to the awareness that he's not the center of the universe - each in his own way.

Considering the theme of this thread, however - after seeing that clip - it begs the question: If their goal was to whack down the 'racist' Glenn Beck, why mess around with a sponsor product boycot movement? Because they want him where he is - the target of useful bloggers who will carry the weight of what the "Colors of Change" and the White House want to accomplish - doing in FOX News. Hell, you can't be more blatant than having the President of the United States standing at the White House microphone TOTUS pulpit telling the citizens to not watch FOX News - or listen to Rush Limbaugh, for that matter. Just why in hell does that man - Obama - think it's in his job description to tell us what to not watch or not listen to?

455 Orangutan  Fri, Aug 14, 2009 1:05:12pm

Beck's a frickin' nut. And not just a peanut, but more like a honker Brazil nut.

456 collegeguy85  Fri, Aug 14, 2009 1:12:46pm

It's ironic if you stop and think about it.
Glen Beck would champion the free markets in a hearbeat and most of his followers would too. This is the free market of advertising reacting to a wacko. Notice this isn't happening to Rush Limbaugh (crazy, but not a wacko).

457 GGMac  Fri, Aug 14, 2009 1:19:50pm

re: #446 Slumbering Behemoth

Wait, what? So when Beck was working for CNN, the American health care system was a nightmare. Now that he works for FNC, just a little over a year later, it is the best health care system in the world?

Sounds like the words of a paid shill to me.

Yes - could be that he's now a paid shill. Or maybe he was being a paid shill for CNN's stand on health care during his tenure there. We can only guess about that - was he being a paid shill for CNN before being a paid shill for FOX?

The other obvious difference in circumstances in the time since he was at CNN, and which might have caused a change in Becks' thinking - is the fact that there is a different president now than when he was possibly shilling for CNN, and the president we have now is hell-bent hurtling us into socialized medicine, under which we'll all have our a**es reamed.

458 shortshrift  Fri, Aug 14, 2009 1:51:00pm

I noticed this story in the FT this morning. Very happy to see it as a subject of a thread.
The best attack on and defense of Beck (program, not any particular point of view), is the market.
If viewership falls, advertisers back away, the program is cut.
If viewership rises, or stays the same, advertisers come forward, the program continues.
Unless a large chunk of the viewership watches the program in order to see the commercials (I too like the gecko for Geico), the replacement of one sponsor by another will not dent the viewership.
The issue always boils down to the nature of viewers, consumers of programs and products. There are a lot of vulgar, politically ill-informed, meat-eating, gun-owning, sensation-seeking, soap-using, insurance-buying, medicated TV watchers. They watch soaps, movies, drama, sit-coms, reality shows. A lot of this stuff is stupid, violent, vulgar, encouraging emotionality - excruciatingly embarrassing. The commercials are the same. What is producer of programs and sponsor of programs to do? "Pander" to the viewer's appetites? Appeal only to the nice guys and intellectuals? It might indeed be responsible to give no air time to terrorists, Nazis etc., but if they make "news" - or even the ballot - the "public right to know" trumps any squeamishness about allowing them airtime. Reportable facts are sometimes nasty, including facts regarding the nature of a some of our fellow Americans, and their tastes.

One of the rationales for the BBC license system was that Aunty had to set an example for high-toned, responsible, thinking. Snobbery about the masses was the foundation for its charter. Now of course, it panders shamelessly to the "street", but is untainted by commercial interest.

When advertisers to pull their sponsorship of a particular program for reasons other than commercial ones (fall in total viewership, wrong demographic target for the product), they are making an ideological statement. For example, if a company institutes a "no controversial program" rule for sponsorship, and pulls from Beck (2million viewers), but not from Olbermann (less than 1 million?), the rule's application demonstrates an ideological position taken by the company. It is deciding that it does not want to promote a certain point of view. It is also saying that it will forgo potential sales from the viewers, or consumers of that view, even though there is no way to know whether the consumers like or hate Beck, agree or disagree with his opinions, like, dislike or agree or disagree with his guests' opinions. That is potentially an expensive way to express ones values (against "hate" or "evil"- mongering to the right wing) and hardly nuanced. How about substituting the commercial they would have run with a paid-political commercial that counters the hate? It salves their conscience, counters Beck and puts their product to potential buyers at the same time!

459 brain-washed sheeple  Fri, Aug 14, 2009 1:59:25pm

OH NO!!! NOT SARGENTO!!!

And Progressive doesn't shock me at all... after all, do you hear how Beck hammers them almost every night?

460 LeslieG  Fri, Aug 14, 2009 4:13:30pm

Market forces. Aren't they great!

461 DANEgerus  Fri, Aug 14, 2009 5:58:17pm
'Glenn Beck’s increasing lunacy is having an effect'


Uh... no... George Soros money is having an effect.

"Zillionaire moonbat Warren Buffet was a prominent backer of the Obama campaign. The aptly named Progressive Insurance is owned by Peter Lewis, a George Soros wannabe and member of the elitist, ultra-left Shadow Party that is currently consolidating control of our country" -- Van Helsing


A little background on the engineers of the boycott:

Color of Change is using a 600,000-member electronic mailing list to urge people to sign a petition that is then forwarded to Beck's sponsors. The group was founded in the wake of the Hurricane Katrina disaster to promote "racial progress," said James Rucker, its executive director […who…] "absolutely expects" other advertisers to follow suit and drop out because the wave of defections "raises the stakes for them to stick around."
...
More background on Color of Change: It was founded by Obama's Green Jobs Czar — who has spent at least $60 billion of our money but has yet to create a single "green job" — self-described communist and "rowdy black nationalist" Van Jones, who has terrorist connections and was arrested for participating in the Rodney King race riots. But no doubt pointing that out is hateful speech.
462 hopperandadropper  Fri, Aug 14, 2009 6:03:32pm

Glenn Beck is a putz. I hope he fails, epically.

463 LeslieG  Fri, Aug 14, 2009 6:13:10pm
"The most depressing thing about this isn’t the fear of lefties taking down conservative broadcasters, it’s the fact that Beck is catching hell while the demagogue di tutti demagogues, a man who eagerly compares Republicans to terrorists when he isn’t busy screaming about right-wing “hate speech,” rests easily in the thought that his own advertising is secure. Exit question: Just what would Olby have to say or do to warrant a rightroots boycott of Countdown’s advertisers? He can’t sink much lower. Someone set the bar, quick!"

Yup!


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