Patterico has the tale of a woman who showed up at a health care town hall meeting and pretended to be a doctor.
Also appearing in this story: Obama campaign worker Maria Isabel, who was featured at LGF on February 11, 2008, when we published a video capture of her office with a Che Guevara flag hanging on the wall.
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Pianobuff Fri, Aug 14, 2009 11:04:02am |
I read that she was also a lead organizer for Organizing for Obama.
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Dianna Fri, Aug 14, 2009 11:04:30am |
I was taken aback by how blatant this was, and how easily debunked by the blogs.
The media just took her at her word.
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Shug Fri, Aug 14, 2009 11:04:32am |
Obamacare
Wait time to see a real doctor—-6 weeks
but the fake doctor can see you are 1:40 today !
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kansas Fri, Aug 14, 2009 11:04:41am |
U.S. Rep. Sheila Jackson Lee on Thursday distanced herself from a University of Houston graduate student and Texas Obama delegate who falsely identified herself as a pediatric physician at the congresswoman’s health care reform town hall meeting this week.
“I’ve never met her,” Jackson Lee said as she prepared to take questions from doctors and other health care workers in a session at St. Joseph Medical Center.
Somehow I quite have confidence in the veracity of Sheila Jackson Lee.
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cronus Fri, Aug 14, 2009 11:04:47am |
But why have I not heard of this from the media? Oh right…
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jones Fri, Aug 14, 2009 11:05:06am |
Can we get a throbbing physician to compare the fake one to a real one?
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doppelganglander Fri, Aug 14, 2009 11:05:59am |
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kansas Fri, Aug 14, 2009 11:06:05am |
Somehow I don’t quite have confidence in the veracity of Sheila Jackson Lee. Too big of a hurry.
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Wendya Fri, Aug 14, 2009 11:07:46am |
re: #3 Dianna
I was taken aback by how blatant this was, and how easily debunked by the blogs.
The media just took her at her word.
The left has declared “war” on the protesters, calling on the old and new left media to uncover instances of protesters being on lobbyist or industry payrolls. Have they found any yet? I’ve seen several instances of plants from the left and other assorted astroturfing but I haven’t seen any news stores of the same from the protesters.
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tfc3rid Fri, Aug 14, 2009 11:07:59am |
She’s actually a left wing plant planted by the right wing!
/Fake grass man.
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JustABill Fri, Aug 14, 2009 11:08:03am |
I know impersonating someone in law enforcement is criminal, and that practicing medicine without a license will get you in trouble, but I wonder if there is anything illegal here…
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doppelganglander Fri, Aug 14, 2009 11:08:21am |
Seriously, though, how did she think this was going to help her cause? Did she honestly believe no one would check? I’d also be interested to find out if she’ll be charged with impersonating a physician. I’d guess not because she wasn’t trying to treat patients.
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quiet man Fri, Aug 14, 2009 11:08:56am |
re: #18 doppelganglander
It said the new media knew it and kept quiet about it.
so there is a LSM lie for you here as well.
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Sharmuta Fri, Aug 14, 2009 11:09:14am |
Maria Isabel is turning out to be the gift that keeps on giving. The right certainly doesn’t need any gaffs to jump on the healthcare legislation, but Maria Isabel hands us another weapon when the people she brings in to support the administrations agenda can’t even be honest about who they are.
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flyovercountry Fri, Aug 14, 2009 11:09:15am |
I love it when these things come to light. A local N.H. television station ran a news report showing Obama supporters being bussed in to Obama’s N.H. townhall. Now the fake doctor at a townhall in Texas, and the fake was even from another district, also imported. All of this is done as the Left accuses the Right of, “astroturfing.” It would appear as though the Liberals among us are also having their problems. There is going to be a huge GOP victory in 2010.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Fri, Aug 14, 2009 11:09:16am |
I will be a fake doctor if I can get paid. And not in Monopoly money.
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gonecamping Fri, Aug 14, 2009 11:09:38am |
No she is not a Doctor…but she did stay at the Obama Inn last night.
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kansas Fri, Aug 14, 2009 11:09:53am |
Since this is not found on any of MSM, did it really happen?
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keithgabryelski Fri, Aug 14, 2009 11:10:02am |
Dishonesty on either side hurts discourse. All else being equal, I find dishonesty on the leading side (the government side) to be worse than the opposition, just because of the advantage the government has over opposition.
Glad she was caught.
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debutaunt Fri, Aug 14, 2009 11:10:11am |
re: #17 JustABill
I know impersonating someone in law enforcement is criminal, and that practicing medicine without a license will get you in trouble, but I wonder if there is anything illegal here…
More proof that perception is not reality.
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quiet man Fri, Aug 14, 2009 11:10:15am |
re: #25 gonecamping
and she did play one on TV…for a minute and a hug
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Wendya Fri, Aug 14, 2009 11:10:17am |
re: #12 kansas
Somehow I don’t quite have confidence in the veracity of Sheila Jackson Lee. Too big of a hurry.
Well you know, her phone call during the middle of the debate was nothing more than a “doctored video”.
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kansas Fri, Aug 14, 2009 11:10:58am |
re: #30 Wendya
Well you know, her phone call during the middle of the debate was nothing more than a “doctored video”.
If that woman was any dumber she’d be Maxine Waters.
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yesandno Fri, Aug 14, 2009 11:11:39am |
re: #5 kansas
U.S. Rep. Sheila Jackson Lee on Thursday distanced herself from a University of Houston graduate student and Texas Obama delegate who falsely identified herself as a pediatric physician at the congresswoman’s health care reform town hall meeting this week.
“I’ve never met her,” Jackson Lee said as she prepared to take questions from doctors and other health care workers in a session at St. Joseph Medical Center.
Somehow I quite have confidence in the veracity of Sheila Jackson Lee.
Must be like her claim she has read all the bill from cover to cover but had to call the “help line” in the middle of a question from a constituent at her town hall meething in order to get an answer to the question she was paying no attention to.
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Pianobuff Fri, Aug 14, 2009 11:11:43am |
There are rumors out there that Obama’s town hall scheduled for today in Montana could be different. Supposedly, the tickets were handed out in a truly random fashion. Could be interesting if that’s truly the case.
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Charles Johnson Fri, Aug 14, 2009 11:12:22am |
LGF should be getting credit for the Che Guevara story. As far as I know, we had it first, and that picture that’s going around is one I personally screen captured from a Fox Houston video.
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tfc3rid Fri, Aug 14, 2009 11:13:07am |
re: #34 Pianobuff
There are rumors out there that Obama’s town hall scheduled for today in Montana could be different. Supposedly, the tickets were handed out in a truly random fashion. Could be interesting if that’s truly the case.
Eh, I still expect hero worship and adulation.
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quiet man Fri, Aug 14, 2009 11:13:12am |
This is more evidence the left cant be honest in their dealings with the people of this country..
no wonder there are huge doubts about Obama/pelosi/ reid and just how far they will go for power.
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Wendya Fri, Aug 14, 2009 11:13:24am |
re: #34 Pianobuff
There are rumors out there that Obama’s town hall scheduled for today in Montana could be different. Supposedly, the tickets were handed out in a truly random fashion. Could be interesting if that’s truly the case.
I hope you’re not holding your breath…
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Dianna Fri, Aug 14, 2009 11:13:35am |
re: #15 Wendya
The left has declared “war” on the protesters, calling on the old and new left media to uncover instances of protesters being on lobbyist or industry payrolls. Have they found any yet? I’ve seen several instances of plants from the left and other assorted astroturfing but I haven’t seen any news stores of the same from the protesters.
Just say “Tea Party” and “Ron Paul!”, and it will instantly discredit anyone who showed up to protest, and never mind if there is an intersection between the individual and those movements.
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CyanSnowHawk Fri, Aug 14, 2009 11:13:39am |
re: #36 Charles
It’s a little irritating to me that LGF isn’t getting credit for the Che Guevara story. As far as I know, we had it first, and that picture that’s going around is one I personally screen captured from a Fox Houston video.
Should have watermarked it.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Fri, Aug 14, 2009 11:13:41am |
I went to a fake doctor once. He made me turn my head and cough. Guess they don’t actually do physicals behind 7-11’s.
//
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kansas Fri, Aug 14, 2009 11:13:42am |
re: #34 Pianobuff
There are rumors out there that Obama’s town hall scheduled for today in Montana could be different. Supposedly, the tickets were handed out in a truly random fashion. Could be interesting if that’s truly the case.
I do hope if there are legitimate people in the audience, they show up having done some homework and have some respectful and relevant questions. I think the rowdy shit will backfire if Obama get’s treated badly. It wouldn’t have mattered with Bush, but here, Obama needs special treatment.
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Shug Fri, Aug 14, 2009 11:13:57am |
when I lived in Houston we called that rag the Houston Comical
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Baier Fri, Aug 14, 2009 11:14:50am |
It’s like that scene in Spies Like US…
Dr. Imhaus: Doctor.
Austin Millbarge: Doctor.
Dr. Imhaus: Doctor.
Emmett Fitz-Hume: Doctor.
[Imhaus exits]
Dr. Marston: Doctor.
Austin Millbarge: Doctor.
Dr. Marston: Doctor.
Emmett Fitz-Hume: Doctor.
[Marston exits]
Karen Boyer: Doctor.
Austin Millbarge: Doctor.
Karen Boyer: Doctor.
Emmett Fitz-Hume: [amorously] Doctor!
[Boyer exits]
Jerry Hadley: Doctor.
Austin Millbarge: Doctor.
Jerry Hadley: Doctor.
Emmett Fitz-Hume: Doctor.
[Hadley exits]
Austin Millbarge: We’re not doctors!
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Pianobuff Fri, Aug 14, 2009 11:15:03am |
re: #40 Wendya
I hope you’re not holding your breath…
If I’m holding my breath on anything, it’s that nothing bad-crazy happens there that can be in any way pinned on right-leaners.
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Dianna Fri, Aug 14, 2009 11:15:10am |
re: #26 kansas
Since this is not found on any of MSM, did it really happen?
Paterico documented that they changed their captions.
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Ojoe Fri, Aug 14, 2009 11:15:35am |
All this cheapness and lying is happening on someone’s watch & the tone comes from the top.
I
Am
Disgusted.
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quiet man Fri, Aug 14, 2009 11:15:43am |
So this “doctor” stole the time that real people could have used to speak to thier representative..kept more informed voices at bay as she set up the practiced lies required to make this plan of theirs work
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Mad Mullah Fri, Aug 14, 2009 11:16:02am |
What do you expect from a fanatical Obama supporter who also has a Che poster on her wall?
The left is so dumb that they don’t even see the comical absurdities in their own emails which they send out.
This is from a moveon.org email which they recently sent out - A friend of mine who also happens to be a moonbat for Obama keeps forwarding these emails to me. He is apparently unaware of my political views.
We’ve hired skilled grassroots organizers who are working with thousands of local volunteers to show Congress that ordinary Americans continue to support President Obama’s agenda for change.
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Wendya Fri, Aug 14, 2009 11:16:23am |
re: #41 Dianna
Just say “Tea Party” and “Ron Paul!”, and it will instantly discredit anyone who showed up to protest, and never mind if there is an intersection between the individual and those movements.
Luckily, I don’t buy into anti-intellectual arguments like that.
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That's Mr. President to you Fri, Aug 14, 2009 11:16:28am |
Once again critics of my health care proposals are filling the voids between my teleprompter readings much admired speeches with distractions.
Just because this woman isn’t really a pediatrician all the points she made were important and needed to be heard. In fact, I am sure that there are pediatricians out there who feel as she did and she gave them voice.
This is in contrast to the deceptive claims made by my opponents who have astroturfed these important forums.
On another matter, last night someone posted that Rosie O’Donnell had called someone on Fox a “word that rhymes with swat”.
I have been thinking through all of my vocabulary and can only come up with three words that rhyme with “swat”
- The honorable Chairman and Nobel Laureate Yasser Arafat.
- The visionary East Asian community organizer Pol Pot.
- The leading high tech airline Aeroflot.
How could being called any of these things be considered an insult?
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Sharmuta Fri, Aug 14, 2009 11:16:35am |
re: #39 quiet man
This is more evidence the left cant be honest in their dealings with the people of this country..
You realize all politicians do this, not just the left?
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medaura18586 Fri, Aug 14, 2009 11:16:52am |
People may have already brought this up here, and if so, never mind. But remember Obama’s claim that “if you like your insurance package you can keep it”? Well the truth of that statement is skin deep. Page #16 of the bill:
SEC. 102. PROTECTING THE CHOICE TO KEEP CURRENT COVERAGE.
3 (a) GRANDFATHERED HEALTH INSURANCE COVERAGE DEFINED.—Subject to the succeeding provisions of this section, for purposes of establishing acceptable coverage under this division, the term ‘‘grandfathered health
insurance coverage’’ means individual health insurance coverage that is offered and in force and effect before the first day of Y1 if the following conditions are met:(1) LIMITATION ON NEW ENROLLMENT.—
(A) IN GENERAL.—Except as provided in this paragraph, the individual health insurance issuer offering such coverage does not enroll any individual in such coverage if the first effective date of coverage is on or after the first day of Y1.(B) DEPENDENT COVERAGE PERMITTED.—Subparagraph (A) shall not affect the subsequent enrollment of a dependent of an individual who is covered as of such first day.
(2) LIMITATION ON CHANGES IN TERMS OR CONDITIONS.—Subject to paragraph (3) and except as required by law, the issuer does not change any of its terms or conditions, including benefits and cost-sharing, from those in effect as of the day before the first day of Y1.
(3) RESTRICTIONS ON PREMIUM INCREASES.— The issuer cannot vary the percentage increase in the premium for a risk group of enrollees in specific grandfathered health insurance coverage without changing the premium for all enrollees in the same risk group at the same rate, as specified by the
Commissioner.(b) GRACE PERIOD FOR CURRENT EMPLOYMENT9
BASED HEALTH PLANS.—
(1) GRACE PERIOD.—
(A) IN GENERAL.—The Commissioner shall establish a grace period whereby, for plan years beginning after the end of the 5-year period beginning with Y1, an employment-based health plan in operation as of the day before the first day of Y1 must meet the same requirements as apply to a qualified health benefits plan under section 101, including the essential
benefit package requirement under section 121.
So this bill would be the last gasp of air for private insurance. They cannot increase enrollment. If you switch jobs, and your health insurance was provided via your employer, as it is for most employed Americans, you will lose the option to remain with a private insurer and cannot adopt one at your new job. Also, if you’re just coming of age and are getting your first job after the bill’s passage, you must get into the public option. As people die (the current enrollees of private health insurance), no new generations will be allowed to enroll in private care.
So how is the public option an “option,” really? It’s the only option. Private care is essentially rendered illegal, with people being allowed to temporarily keep their current plan, so as to make the transition less painful.
Call on the clue phone for Sarah Palin: Why don’t you focus on this fat elephant in the room rather than babbling away about “death commissions”?
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tfc3rid Fri, Aug 14, 2009 11:16:59am |
re: #49 Ojoe
All this cheapness and lying is happening on someone’s watch & the tone comes from the top.
I
Am
Disgusted.
It’s all just a big reality show to some people… People just don’t live in the real world anymore.
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kansas Fri, Aug 14, 2009 11:17:01am |
re: #52 buzzsawmonkey
“Dr. Steinberg, meet Dr. Steinberg.”
—Groucho Marx, “A Day at the Races”
Chevy Chase in Fletch: Dr. Rosenpenis
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Wendya Fri, Aug 14, 2009 11:17:34am |
re: #47 Pianobuff
If I’m holding my breath on anything, it’s that nothing bad-crazy happens there that can be in any way pinned on right-leaners.
I can almost guarantee some dumbshit will show up with a large picture of the President wearing a Hitler mustache. I can also guarantee the media will claim they’re right-wingers instead of laRouchites.
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Athos Fri, Aug 14, 2009 11:17:59am |
This is not the only issue with Representative Jackson-Lee and her townhall meetings - CNN asks Representative Jackson-Lee about video of her taking a cell phone call in the middle of answering questions…Jackson-Lee’s only answer, the video was doctored.
So, when members of Congress actually decide to hold town hall meetings, it’s nothing but a kabuki theater of sham ‘experts’ and rude behavior towards their constituients? How do these nitwits keep getting re-elected if this is the contempt they show?
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Ojoe Fri, Aug 14, 2009 11:18:43am |
re: #58 tfc3rid
No they by and large don’t live in the real world.
For one, most live in cities anymore & have little contact with nature.
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quiet man Fri, Aug 14, 2009 11:18:51am |
re: #55 Sharmuta
what? Have a plant come in to lie to constutients by asking a question set up in advance by a media known operative??
When did this happen on the right??
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Pianobuff Fri, Aug 14, 2009 11:19:04am |
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gonecamping Fri, Aug 14, 2009 11:19:21am |
I was wondering when Obama was going to do something about all the jobs he promised to create.
re: #51 Mad Mullah
What do you expect from a fanatical Obama supporter who also has a Che poster on her wall?
The left is so dumb that they don’t even see the comical absurdities in their own emails which they send out.
This is from a moveon.org email which they recently sent out - A friend of mine who also happens to be a moonbat for Obama keeps forwarding these emails to me. He is apparently unaware of my political views.
We’ve hired skilled grassroots organizers who are working with thousands of local volunteers to show Congress that ordinary Americans continue to support President Obama’s agenda for change.
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tfc3rid Fri, Aug 14, 2009 11:19:44am |
re: #63 Ojoe
No they by and large don’t live in the real world.
For one, most live in cities anymore & have little contact with nature.
Agree… Which is why I am finally leaving NYC… November… Moving to GA.
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96RoadKing Fri, Aug 14, 2009 11:19:46am |
re: #59 kansas
Chevy Chase in Fletch: Dr. Rosenpenis
Paging Dr. Howard
Paging Dr. Fine
Paging Dr. Howard
3 Stooges…May be more approriate for this administration!
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Athos Fri, Aug 14, 2009 11:20:12am |
re: #67 gonecamping
I was wondering when Obama was going to do something about all the jobs he promised to create.
I thought the goalpost has been moved to focus on all the jobs that his policies have saved?
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Gus Fri, Aug 14, 2009 11:20:22am |
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Locker Fri, Aug 14, 2009 11:20:23am |
I would like to believe that Glen Beck isn’t proof that all conservatives are… well… raving lunatics. I would also like to believe that this whack lady isn’t proof that all liberals are… well… lying dumb asses.
That being said my question for the conservatives here who are jumping on this with glee. What kind of “response” from the left would make you say “Well at least they handled that properly”? Or is there nothing they could do to make it ok?
If Obama himself came out and said “this lady is to be discredited” would that provoke a positive conservative response?
Thanks much.
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quiet man Fri, Aug 14, 2009 11:20:31am |
re: #69 96RoadKing
Just not as funny anmd the hits and smacks go out to the people they represent
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tfc3rid Fri, Aug 14, 2009 11:20:40am |
re: #70 Athos
I thought the goalpost has been moved to focus on all the jobs that his policies have saved?
The recession is over.
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Sharmuta Fri, Aug 14, 2009 11:21:15am |
re: #65 quiet man
You said:
This is more evidence the left cant be honest in their dealings with the people of this country..
My point is that both parties are dishonest with the people.
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Athos Fri, Aug 14, 2009 11:21:16am |
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kansas Fri, Aug 14, 2009 11:21:41am |
Call on the clue phone for Sarah Palin: Why don’t you focus on this fat elephant in the room rather than babbling away about “death commissions”?
So how could Palin characterize this that would strike a chord like death panels did? I fell asleep after SEC. 102. PROTECTING THE CHOICE TO KEEP CURRENT COVERAGE.
3 (a) GRANDFATHERED HEALTH INSURANCE COVERAGE DEFINED.—Subject to the succeeding provisions of this section, for purposes of establishing acceptable coverage under this division, the term ‘‘grandfathered health
insurance coverage’’ means individual health insurance coverage that is offered and in force and effect before the first day of Y1 if the following conditions are met:
After all, we are dealing with actual real people.
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KenJen Fri, Aug 14, 2009 11:21:42am |
re: #72 Locker
I would like to believe that Glen Beck isn’t proof that all conservatives are… well… raving lunatics. I would also like to believe that this whack lady isn’t proof that all liberals are… well… lying dumb asses.
That being said my question for the conservatives here who are jumping on this with glee. What kind of “response” from the left would make you say “Well at least they handled that properly”? Or is there nothing they could do to make it ok?
If Obama himself came out and said “this lady is to be discredited” would that provoke a positive conservative response?
Thanks much.
I would like Obama to say she acted stupidly.
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quiet man Fri, Aug 14, 2009 11:21:57am |
re: #72 Locker
Defending her by suggesting everyone does it is not the way
Honest democrats will say this is dead wrong and is what will end up defeating them in 2010
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Dianna Fri, Aug 14, 2009 11:21:59am |
re: #72 Locker
I would be extremely pleased if Sheila Jackson Lee came out and said that, since it’s her Town Hall that has been impugned.
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tfc3rid Fri, Aug 14, 2009 11:22:21am |
re: #72 Locker
I think as far as I am concerend I just want this crap to stop. I want people to say who they are, who they preresent (if they represent anyone)… I want some honesty in the debate, not more of the same planted BS over and over and over.
I want real people with real concerns… Who are honest about who they are and what they do.
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3 wood Fri, Aug 14, 2009 11:22:29am |
re: #34 Pianobuff
There are rumors out there that Obama’s town hall scheduled for today in Montana could be different. Supposedly, the tickets were handed out in a truly random fashion. Could be interesting if that’s truly the case.
You ever lived in Chicago?
“Random” in Chicago means that instead of giving the ticket to a machine hack you give it to the hack’s cousin who just applied for a job at City Hall.
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medaura18586 Fri, Aug 14, 2009 11:22:44am |
re: #71 Gus 802
That’s not her YouTube. It’s a 54-year-old woman’s by the same name.
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Sharmuta Fri, Aug 14, 2009 11:23:06am |
re: #72 Locker
Sheila Jackson Lee did the right thing to distance herself from this fraud.
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Wendya Fri, Aug 14, 2009 11:23:06am |
re: #72 Locker
I would like to believe that Glen Beck isn’t proof that all conservatives are… well… raving lunatics. I would also like to believe that this whack lady isn’t proof that all liberals are… well… lying dumb asses.
That being said my question for the conservatives here who are jumping on this with glee. What kind of “response” from the left would make you say “Well at least they handled that properly”? Or is there nothing they could do to make it ok?
If Obama himself came out and said “this lady is to be discredited” would that provoke a positive conservative response?
Thanks much.
Well, gee.. we could start with Madam Speaker issuing an apology for calling protesters anti-American and then they could acknowledge they’ve spent millions to astroturf this debate. If the left admits doing what they’re accusing the right of doing, yet have not proven, perhaps I’ll admit they have a shred of integrity.
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Pianobuff Fri, Aug 14, 2009 11:23:29am |
re: #84 3 wood
You ever lived in Chicago?
“Random” in Chicago means that instead of giving the ticket to a machine hack you give it to the hack’s cousin who just applied for a job at City Hall.
Are you suggesting that the only non-stop from O’hare to Billings is fully booked?
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tfc3rid Fri, Aug 14, 2009 11:23:34am |
re: #86 Sharmuta
Sheila Jackson Lee did the right thing to distance herself from this fraud.
SJL of course still had to answer that cell phone call during her meeting…
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doppelganglander Fri, Aug 14, 2009 11:23:47am |
re: #68 tfc3rid
Agree… Which is why I am finally leaving NYC… November… Moving to GA.
Congratulations! I hope you’ll be happy here.
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Gus Fri, Aug 14, 2009 11:23:51am |
re: #85 medaura18586
That’s not her YouTube. It’s a 54-year-old woman’s by the same name.
Look at the Video 20.
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tfc3rid Fri, Aug 14, 2009 11:24:18am |
re: #90 Mikey_Dallas
Hi Everybody !!
Hi, Dr. Nick !!!
Why if it isn’t our old pal Mr. McGreg, with a leg for an arm and an arm for a leg!”
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tfc3rid Fri, Aug 14, 2009 11:24:39am |
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Winslow Fri, Aug 14, 2009 11:24:46am |
The Battle Cry “Guevara!”
(To the tune of The Battle Cry of Freedom
with apologies to George F. Root)
Yes we’ll rally ’round the flag, Dems, we’ll rally once again,
Shouting the battle cry “Guevara!”
We will rally from the hillside, we’ll gather from the plain,
Shouting the battle cry “Guevara!”
“Guevara Forever!” Hurrah, Dems, Hurrah!
Down with Old Glory, and hail Castro’s Star!
And we’ll rally ’round the flag, Dems, we’ll rally once again,
Shouting the battle cry “Guevara!”
We are springing to the call of our comrades gone before,
Shouting the battle cry “Guevara!”
And we’ll fill our vacant ranks with a million killers more,
Shouting the battle cry “Guevara!”
“Guevara Forever!” Hurrah, Dems, Hurrah!
Down with Old Glory, and hail Castro’s Star!
And we’ll rally ’round the flag, Dems, we’ll rally once again,
Shouting the battle cry “Guevara!”
We will welcome to our numbers the men who fill mass graves,
Shouting the battle cry “Guevara!”
And in our America, every man shall be a slave,
Shouting the battle cry “Guevara!”
“Guevara Forever!” Hurrah, Dems, Hurrah!
Down with Old Glory, and hail Castro’s Star!
And we’ll rally ’round the flag, Dems, we’ll rally once again,
Shouting the battle cry “Guevara!”
So we’re springing to the call of collective sacrifice,
Shouting the battle cry “Guevara!”
And we’ll change the U.S.A. to a worker’s paradise,
Shouting the battle cry “Guevara!”
“Guevara Forever!” Hurrah, Dems, Hurrah!
Down with Old Glory, and hail Castro’s Star!
And we’ll rally ’round the flag, Dems, we’ll rally once again,
Shouting the battle cry “Guevara!”
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JustABill Fri, Aug 14, 2009 11:24:59am |
Has anyone found out which democrate campains the guy who painted that swastika the other day works for. That is actually illegal. At very least vandalism.
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Cato the Elder Fri, Aug 14, 2009 11:25:40am |
Would it be “mysogenistic” if I snarked about these ladies’ appearance?
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Flyovercountry Fri, Aug 14, 2009 11:26:05am |
re: #62 Athos
This is not the only issue with Representative Jackson-Lee and her townhall meetings - CNN asks Representative Jackson-Lee about video of her taking a cell phone call in the middle of answering questions…Jackson-Lee’s only answer, the video was doctored.
So, when members of Congress actually decide to hold town hall meetings, it’s nothing but a kabuki theater of sham ‘experts’ and rude behavior towards their constituients? How do these nitwits keep getting re-elected if this is the contempt they show?
I have never in my 46 years seen anything like this President and his ability to manipulate the press. Just remember that it will never be real. Everything he does is Kabuki Theater. The town hall in New Hampshire, where we were told ahead of time by the media that there would be no plants in the audience, was made entirely of Obama plants. So many in fact, the locals were complaining about being camped out for hours to have Obama’s bused in people whisked in ahead of them, and indeed instead of them. The little girl’s obviously staged question, “Why don’t some people want something that’s good for them,” was the all time clincher. This staged event even fooled some of the LGF readers, as I noticed more than one comment on the quality of questions being raised.
It is fun to watch the awakening of the American People though. It reminds me of 1980.
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kansas Fri, Aug 14, 2009 11:26:53am |
re: #72 Locker
I would like to believe that Glen Beck isn’t proof that all conservatives are… well… raving lunatics. I would also like to believe that this whack lady isn’t proof that all liberals are… well… lying dumb asses.
That being said my question for the conservatives here who are jumping on this with glee. What kind of “response” from the left would make you say “Well at least they handled that properly”? Or is there nothing they could do to make it ok?
If Obama himself came out and said “this lady is to be discredited” would that provoke a positive conservative response?
Thanks much.
It would please me if they stopped with the lying dumb ass routine.
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Racer X Fri, Aug 14, 2009 11:28:12am |
Let me get this straight - an Obama campaign worker shows up at a townhall meeting and pretends to be a doctor who supports the proposed healthcare bill. She is an associate of the Obama campaign worker who had the Che poster on her wall that Charles did a story on a while ago. Both are in the audience at the townhall.
Correct?
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DrNaughty Fri, Aug 14, 2009 11:28:15am |
re: #100 kansas
It would please me if they stopped with the lying dumb ass routine.
I have to wonder if Robert Gibbs (aka Baghdad Bob) actually believes any of the BS he spouts every day ?
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BlueCanuck Fri, Aug 14, 2009 11:28:19am |
re: #101 buzzsawmonkey
You just hurt my brain…
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quiet man Fri, Aug 14, 2009 11:28:33am |
re: #101 buzzsawmonkey
then tell them you are an Irony Chef
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MandyManners Fri, Aug 14, 2009 11:28:39am |
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Pianobuff Fri, Aug 14, 2009 11:28:45am |
re: #102 Racer X
Let me get this straight - an Obama campaign worker shows up at a townhall meeting and pretends to be a doctor who supports the proposed healthcare bill. She is an associate of the Obama campaign worker who had the Che poster on her wall that Charles did a story on a while ago. Both are in the audience at the townhall.
Correct?
Yeah, that’s it. Why - you have a problem with that?
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albusteve Fri, Aug 14, 2009 11:28:50am |
I got the apolitical blues
the meanest blues of all
L George
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pre-Boomer Marine brat Fri, Aug 14, 2009 11:28:57am |
re: #99 Flyovercountry
his ability to manipulate the press
Not quite. He doesn’t manipulate those who love him to begin with.
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3 wood Fri, Aug 14, 2009 11:29:00am |
Just checking, Che Guevera was a Marxist sympathizer, right?
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quiet man Fri, Aug 14, 2009 11:29:11am |
re: #103 DrNaughty
are you a real doctor or are you a Sears doctor??
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kansas Fri, Aug 14, 2009 11:29:16am |
re: #103 DrNaughty
I have to wonder if Robert Gibbs (aka Baghdad Bob) actually believes any of the BS he spouts every day ?
That guy makes Scott McClellan look like Albert Einstein.
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Sharmuta Fri, Aug 14, 2009 11:29:31am |
re: #102 Racer X
Let me get this straight - an Obama campaign worker shows up at a townhall meeting and pretends to be a doctor who supports the proposed healthcare bill. She is an associate of the Obama campaign worker who had the Che poster on her wall that Charles did a story on a while ago. Both are in the audience at the townhall.
Correct?
No- Maria “Che” Isabel invited the fake doctor.
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DrNaughty Fri, Aug 14, 2009 11:29:33am |
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MandyManners Fri, Aug 14, 2009 11:29:34am |
re: #96 JustABill
Has anyone found out which democrate campains the guy who painted that swastika the other day works for. That is actually illegal. At very least vandalism.
I’ve read here that it’s from Larouchians.
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doppelganglander Fri, Aug 14, 2009 11:29:47am |
re: #96 JustABill
Has anyone found out which democrate campains the guy who painted that swastika the other day works for. That is actually illegal. At very least vandalism.
No one knows yet who did it or which side they may represent. There haven’t been any additional stories about it since Tuesday. However, his office shares space with a bank, so there’s a very good chance there’s video footage of the incident.
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Locker Fri, Aug 14, 2009 11:29:55am |
re: #99 Flyovercountry
I guess Bush didn’t have to manipulate the press because he pretty much owned it for at least 6 years. Just my personal perspective and not a denial that every politician manipulates for a living.
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Ward Cleaver Fri, Aug 14, 2009 11:29:59am |
re: #62 Athos
This is not the only issue with Representative Jackson-Lee and her townhall meetings - CNN asks Representative Jackson-Lee about video of her taking a cell phone call in the middle of answering questions…Jackson-Lee’s only answer, the video was doctored.
So, when members of Congress actually decide to hold town hall meetings, it’s nothing but a kabuki theater of sham ‘experts’ and rude behavior towards their constituients? How do these nitwits keep getting re-elected if this is the contempt they show?
She’s an idiot, just like Eddie Bernice Johnson here in Dallas. When Johnson was in the Texas Legislature, she earned the title of “furniture”, the term given here in Texas to do-nothing legislators (meaning they’re about as active as the furniture).
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quiet man Fri, Aug 14, 2009 11:30:13am |
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medaura18586 Fri, Aug 14, 2009 11:30:29am |
re: #97 Gus 802
Oh, I think you may be right. She looked much older and fatter in that video, I thought, so I assumed it was someone else. But now I can tell she’s wearing the same glasses as on the picture of her leedloop profile.
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Honorary Yooper Fri, Aug 14, 2009 11:30:45am |
re: #110 3 wood
Just checking, Che Guevera was a Marxist sympathizer, right?
Um, last I looked, yes, he was. He was also a murderer who ordered people to be killed. IIRC, even the Castro brothers had enough of him after a while.
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kansas Fri, Aug 14, 2009 11:30:54am |
re: #117 Locker
I guess Bush didn’t have to manipulate the press because he pretty much owned it for at least 6 years. Just my personal perspective and not a denial that every politician manipulates for a living.
How does one come to that conclusion?
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DrNaughty Fri, Aug 14, 2009 11:31:01am |
re: #119 quiet man
I guess that means you got the degree from all over and not one single school..right??
/grin
University of South Carolina :) Go Cocks !! (Masters & Bachelors as well from USC)
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midwestgak Fri, Aug 14, 2009 11:31:15am |
re: #117 Locker
I guess Bush didn’t have to manipulate the press because he pretty much owned it for at least 6 years. Just my personal perspective and not a denial that every politician manipulates for a living.
And I’ve owned the Brooklyn Bridge for at least that long./
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albusteve Fri, Aug 14, 2009 11:31:16am |
re: #99 Flyovercountry
I have never in my 46 years seen anything like this President and his ability to manipulate the press. Just remember that it will never be real. Everything he does is Kabuki Theater. The town hall in New Hampshire, where we were told ahead of time by the media that there would be no plants in the audience, was made entirely of Obama plants. So many in fact, the locals were complaining about being camped out for hours to have Obama’s bused in people whisked in ahead of them, and indeed instead of them. The little girl’s obviously staged question, “Why don’t some people want something that’s good for them,” was the all time clincher. This staged event even fooled some of the LGF readers, as I noticed more than one comment on the quality of questions being raised.
It is fun to watch the awakening of the American People though. It reminds me of 1980.
as long as it does not remind me of 1968, I’m good with that I guess…it’s getting crazy out there
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tfc3rid Fri, Aug 14, 2009 11:31:23am |
re: #121 Honorary Yooper
Um, last I looked, yes, he was. He was also a murderer who ordered people to be killed. IIRC, even the Castro brothers had enough of him after a while.
Wow… Living here in NYC, I thought he was just a cool guy on a t shirt…
/
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Gus Fri, Aug 14, 2009 11:31:24am |
re: #120 medaura18586
Oh, I think you may be right. She looked much older and fatter in that video, I thought, so I assumed it was someone else. But now I can tell she’s wearing the same glasses as on the picture of her leedloop profile.
I noticed the same thing regarding her looking older in one shot and another.
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Charpete67 Fri, Aug 14, 2009 11:31:28am |
Obama’s answer to the “shortage of doctors” argument.
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3 wood Fri, Aug 14, 2009 11:31:41am |
re: #88 Pianobuff
Are you suggesting that the only non-stop from O’hare to Billings is fully booked?
I’m suggesting that no one who is not pre-briefed and prepped will be allowed inside that building. I’m sure they will have a “tough” question or two, that Obama will know is coming and will have the answer scripted out for him complete with some catch phrase. If they thought they could not control the questions being asked, the event would not happen.
I sat and watched too many machine operations in Chicago not to know what the deal is.
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Racer X Fri, Aug 14, 2009 11:31:48am |
re: #107 Pianobuff
Yeah, that’s it. Why - you have a problem with that?
Heh. Yes I do, but I just wanted to get the story straight - some of the comments were confusing.
§-)
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doppelganglander Fri, Aug 14, 2009 11:31:58am |
re: #115 MandyManners
I’ve read here that it’s from Larouchians.
The LaRouchies were responsible for the Obama as Hitler posters. I haven’t heard anything about them being involved with the thing at Rep. Scott’s office. I don’t believe I’ve ever seen a LaRouchie in this area.
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quiet man Fri, Aug 14, 2009 11:31:58am |
re: #123 DrNaughty
seriously..that is fine and my jokes were not meant to impugn
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That's Mr. President to you Fri, Aug 14, 2009 11:32:16am |
While everyone here seems intent on bashing Che Guevara, allow me to point out that he was a physician.
[out of character - that is a verbatim quote that i heard from a progressive last year after the “Che’s Image in Obama Campaign office” story broke. Verbatim.]
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quiet man Fri, Aug 14, 2009 11:32:30am |
My old girlfriend was a Ph doubleD in sweet tea at Hooters
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MandyManners Fri, Aug 14, 2009 11:32:30am |
I think this is a more serious issue than some folks getting wound up and hollering at town hall meetings.
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Ward Cleaver Fri, Aug 14, 2009 11:32:43am |
re: #131 doppelganglander
The LaRouchies were responsible for the Obama as Hitler posters. I haven’t heard anything about them being involved with the thing at Rep. Scott’s office. I don’t believe I’ve ever seen a LaRouchie in this area.
Many of them are locked up in asylums.
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Locker Fri, Aug 14, 2009 11:32:52am |
re: #100 kansas
It would please me if they stopped with the lying dumb ass routine.
I guess the response to that is, we’ll quit when you stop Glen Beck? Not so easy since none of us really controls someone else.
If I were able to stop people like her I don’t even think I would, it’s against my morality. But I can stand up and say “You ma’ma, are a dumbass. Get away from me.” that much, I’ll be happy to do.
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DrNaughty Fri, Aug 14, 2009 11:33:07am |
re: #132 quiet man
seriously..that is fine and my jokes were not meant to impugn
not a problem. I’ve actually worked or lived in about 35 countries over the years… I do satellite remote sensing
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Wendya Fri, Aug 14, 2009 11:33:07am |
re: #96 JustABill
Has anyone found out which democrate campains the guy who painted that swastika the other day works for. That is actually illegal. At very least vandalism.
Huh?
Law enforcement doesn’t know who painted the swastika on David Scott’s office sign.
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SurferDoc Fri, Aug 14, 2009 11:33:25am |
re: #72 Locker
I would like to believe that Glen Beck isn’t proof that all conservatives are… well… raving lunatics. I would also like to believe that this whack lady isn’t proof that all liberals are… well… lying dumb asses.
That being said my question for the conservatives here who are jumping on this with glee. What kind of “response” from the left would make you say “Well at least they handled that properly”? Or is there nothing they could do to make it ok?
If Obama himself came out and said “this lady is to be discredited” would that provoke a positive conservative response?
Thanks much.
Beheading.
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Racer X Fri, Aug 14, 2009 11:33:30am |
re: #121 Honorary Yooper
Um, last I looked, yes, he was. He was also a murderer who ordered people to be killed. IIRC, even the Castro brothers had enough of him after a while.
I gotta get me one of these buttons.
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Flyovercountry Fri, Aug 14, 2009 11:33:33am |
re: #72 Locker
I would like to believe that Glen Beck isn’t proof that all conservatives are… well… raving lunatics. I would also like to believe that this whack lady isn’t proof that all liberals are… well… lying dumb asses.
That being said my question for the conservatives here who are jumping on this with glee. What kind of “response” from the left would make you say “Well at least they handled that properly”? Or is there nothing they could do to make it ok?
If Obama himself came out and said “this lady is to be discredited” would that provoke a positive conservative response?
Thanks much.
It would be tough to do, since the leader of your movement is the best example of the practice. There has been not a single real moment yet in his Presidency. One of the things that irritates the most however, is the practice of not stating actual beliefs or intentions. I would have much more respect for our President if he just admitted what he wants to do, and what he believes. If he won on that basis, then so be it. The fact is that during the campaign, he claimed to be a tax reforming hawk. The msm never questioned this, even though 46% of the country knew the truth. Winning that way is not being honest.
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Dianna Fri, Aug 14, 2009 11:33:45am |
re: #117 Locker
I guess Bush didn’t have to manipulate the press because he pretty much owned it for at least 6 years. Just my personal perspective and not a denial that every politician manipulates for a living.
Are you insane?
The press hated Bush.
Just note the difference between their coverage of any strike while Bush was in office, and the drone attacks since Obama got into office!
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Athos Fri, Aug 14, 2009 11:34:03am |
re: #136 MandyManners
I think this is a more serious issue than some folks getting wound up and hollering at town hall meetings.
Agreed, but when you don’t have an effective counterargument, plan B is to move the goalposts…
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KenJen Fri, Aug 14, 2009 11:34:03am |
re: #112 kansas
That guy makes Scott McClellan look like Albert Einstein.
Robert Gibbs makes Scott McClellan look like Tony Snow. Dennis Miller said that I think.
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3 wood Fri, Aug 14, 2009 11:34:10am |
re: #121 Honorary Yooper
Um, last I looked, yes, he was. He was also a murderer who ordered people to be killed. IIRC, even the Castro brothers had enough of him after a while.
Well, I’m sure it’s all Bush’s fault anyway.
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tfc3rid Fri, Aug 14, 2009 11:34:15am |
re: #138 Locker
I guess the response to that is, we’ll quit when you stop Glen Beck? Not so easy since none of us really controls someone else.
If I were able to stop people like her I don’t even think I would, it’s against my morality. But I can stand up and say “You ma’ma, are a dumbass. Get away from me.” that much, I’ll be happy to do.
Why would forcing someone to be honest and trusthful for the good of your country be against your morality?
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Pianobuff Fri, Aug 14, 2009 11:34:20am |
re: #129 3 wood
I’m suggesting that no one who is not pre-briefed and prepped will be allowed inside that building. I’m sure they will have a “tough” question or two, that Obama will know is coming and will have the answer scripted out for him complete with some catch phrase. If they thought they could not control the questions being asked, the event would not happen.
I sat and watched too many machine operations in Chicago not to know what the deal is.
What I still for the life of my can’t understand is when O got that setup question the other day… why in the world did he bring up the post office.
I know he’s made some pretty bad gaffes in the past, but between “acting stupidly” and the Post Office comment, I think he may be getting seriously thrown off his game.
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Pianobuff Fri, Aug 14, 2009 11:35:02am |
re: #136 MandyManners
I think this is a more serious issue than some folks getting wound up and hollering at town hall meetings.
Shhh…not too loud…someone in the MSM might hear you.
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Racer X Fri, Aug 14, 2009 11:35:02am |
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albusteve Fri, Aug 14, 2009 11:35:10am |
re: #136 MandyManners
I think this is a more serious issue than some folks getting wound up and hollering at town hall meetings.
of course it is, which is precisely why little will come of it…I’m a bit jaded these days
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quiet man Fri, Aug 14, 2009 11:35:19am |
re: #150 Pianobuff
Between the teleprompter and Obamas inner voice there seems to be a conflict
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Locker Fri, Aug 14, 2009 11:35:22am |
re: #122 kansas
I’m not really into starting another big Iraq War thing like we had yesterday but for me it was the straight reporting of the march to war stuff. He got what he wanted, he didn’t have to manipulate.
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Sharmuta Fri, Aug 14, 2009 11:35:30am |
re: #136 MandyManners
I think this is a more serious issue than some folks getting wound up and hollering at town hall meetings.
I find them equally disturbing.
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doppelganglander Fri, Aug 14, 2009 11:35:48am |
re: #137 Ward Cleaver
Many of them are locked up in asylums.
I thought so, too, until I heard about their recent adventures. A couple of people have posted that they’ve seen them passing out leaflets in L.A. and D.C.
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pre-Boomer Marine brat Fri, Aug 14, 2009 11:36:00am |
re: #145 buzzsawmonkey
Are you tired of fucking trolls? Come on down and horse around at the Centaur Centre!
You can satyr that again!
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quiet man Fri, Aug 14, 2009 11:36:08am |
re: #152 Racer X
Isa trool the same as gnome?? cause I have one out in the yard..and he is spooky, let me tell ya..
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Cato the Elder Fri, Aug 14, 2009 11:36:08am |
re: #57 medaura18586
I am sending that, minus the first sentence and the last paragraph, to “whitehouse.gov”, where they are asking for questions, with the request that they address it in detail.
(Of course, it’s going under my name, not yours, so you don’t have to fear any jackbooted ACORN thugs at your door. Not for this, at any rate.)
If the conclusions you draw here are true, this partial-birth abortion of a bill has lost whatever declining support I had for it. No doubt for all the wrong reasons, but there it is.
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kansas Fri, Aug 14, 2009 11:36:14am |
re: #138 Locker
I guess the response to that is, we’ll quit when you stop Glen Beck? Not so easy since none of us really controls someone else.
If I were able to stop people like her I don’t even think I would, it’s against my morality. But I can stand up and say “You ma’ma, are a dumbass. Get away from me.” that much, I’ll be happy to do.
Write to Nancy Pelosi and ask her to stop lying. What, today she against being rowdy but when the situation was reversed she was for it? Plus you asked what would make me happy, or “us”, and I told you. Personally, I think Glenn Beck sucks out loud and can’t watch even a clip about him. I tried to watch him a few times. He’s on the radio here. I tried to listen. He is really bad.
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Dianna Fri, Aug 14, 2009 11:36:29am |
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Honorary Yooper Fri, Aug 14, 2009 11:36:29am |
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Pianobuff Fri, Aug 14, 2009 11:37:05am |
re: #144 Dianna
Are you insane?
The press hated Bush.
Just note the difference between their coverage of any strike while Bush was in office, and the drone attacks since Obama got into office!
And Bush took tough questions at town halls…see below for an example:
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Athos Fri, Aug 14, 2009 11:37:26am |
re: #150 Pianobuff
What I still for the life of my can’t understand is when O got that setup question the other day… why in the world did he bring up the post office.
I know he’s made some pretty bad gaffes in the past, but between “acting stupidly” and the Post Office comment, I think he may be getting seriously thrown off his game.
Just another gaffe from the campaign trail.
Of course, these gaffes will pail if the President, in partnership with Reid and Pelosi just decides to ram a health care bill through Congress this fall.
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Kenneth Fri, Aug 14, 2009 11:37:38am |
re: #36 Charles
LGF should be getting credit for the Che Guevara story. As far as I know, we had it first, and that picture that’s going around is one I personally screen captured from a Fox Houston video.
But Charles, LGF isn’t a real news service, and you’re not a real journalist, you don’t have the spayshul “craft”, you know. Dan Rather said so.
///
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quiet man Fri, Aug 14, 2009 11:37:49am |
re: #163 Honorary Yooper
I almost said that..but the nazi references are bad so I didnt
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kansas Fri, Aug 14, 2009 11:38:20am |
re: #150 Pianobuff
What I still for the life of my can’t understand is when O got that setup question the other day… why in the world did he bring up the post office.
I know he’s made some pretty bad gaffes in the past, but between “acting stupidly” and the Post Office comment, I think he may be getting seriously thrown off his game.
Apparently being President is more than a game and people aren’t grading on the curve and giving him points for showing up anymore.
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tfc3rid Fri, Aug 14, 2009 11:38:22am |
The more I’ve thought about all of this the more I realize that it is a really bad thing to elect a Senator to the Office of the President.
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Locker Fri, Aug 14, 2009 11:38:46am |
re: #149 tfc3rid
Why would forcing someone to be honest and trusthful for the good of your country be against your morality?
You like being forced to do things? Me either.
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buster Fri, Aug 14, 2009 11:39:05am |
re: #62 Athos
This is not the only issue with Representative Jackson-Lee and her townhall meetings - CNN asks Representative Jackson-Lee about video of her taking a cell phone call in the middle of answering questions…Jackson-Lee’s only answer, the video was doctored.
So, when members of Congress actually decide to hold town hall meetings, it’s nothing but a kabuki theater of sham ‘experts’ and rude behavior towards their constituients? How do these nitwits keep getting re-elected if this is the contempt they show?
Ms Jackson-Lee may be the most vapid member of the House of Representatives, but she is not the only waste of skin there. What is most disconcerting is the fact that these people are returned, time and time again, to DC by Government educated voters.
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HippieforLife Fri, Aug 14, 2009 11:39:13am |
re: #72 Locker
Of course he wouldn’t say that. She supports him. He only discredits police departments.
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BlueCanuck Fri, Aug 14, 2009 11:39:23am |
re: #171 Sharmuta
Crap- Cognito’s kidnapped Kenneth!
Don’t worry about it. Us Canucks are on the case. *cracking of knuckles*
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Ward Cleaver Fri, Aug 14, 2009 11:39:38am |
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MandyManners Fri, Aug 14, 2009 11:39:47am |
re: #156 Sharmuta
I find them equally disturbing.
People getting upset is an emotional response.
Presenting this woman as a doctor was a cold, calculated lie.
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Charpete67 Fri, Aug 14, 2009 11:39:51am |
re: #169 tfc3rid
The more I’ve thought about all of this the more I realize that it is a really bad thing to elect a Senator to the Office of the President.
unless he completes at least one full term…er…wait…
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tfc3rid Fri, Aug 14, 2009 11:39:57am |
re: #172 Locker
You like being forced to do things? Me either.
Ummm… There’s a big difference between being forced to do something bad and forcing someone to be upfront and honest.
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Racer X Fri, Aug 14, 2009 11:41:03am |
Hollywood has dutifully churned out yet another cinematic agitprop paean to a leftist “martyr,” this time Ernesto Guevara. So let’s recall the real “Che” and try to discern why many supposedly democratic, civil libertarian liberals still swoon over this Stalinist mass-murderer.
[snip]
Che was a narcissist who boasted that “I have no house, wife, children, parents, or brothers; my friends are friends as long as they think like me, politically.” This is a role model for today’s “post-political” voters claiming we should get beyond partisanship?
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MandyManners Fri, Aug 14, 2009 11:41:08am |
re: #175 BlueCanuck
Don’t worry about it. Us Canucks are on the case. *cracking of knuckles*
Canucks cracking knuclkes!
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Joan Not of Arc Fri, Aug 14, 2009 11:41:36am |
If it helps, I’m ninety percent fudge. Really!
But seriously, lies grease the wheels of this soon-to-be derailed train. I’m not surprised in a way that someone would sink this low or that the popular press would lap this up. I would be surprised and disappointed if people forgave this, however.
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Sharmuta Fri, Aug 14, 2009 11:41:39am |
re: #178 MandyManners
People getting upset is an emotional response.
Presenting this woman as a doctor was a cold, calculated lie.
Both serve to distort and undermine our system.
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Ward Cleaver Fri, Aug 14, 2009 11:41:43am |
re: #171 Sharmuta
Crap- Cognito’s kidnapped Kenneth!
Cognito’s using Silva mind control.
/obscure crap from the ’70s
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Kenneth Fri, Aug 14, 2009 11:41:48am |
re: #171 Sharmuta
Crap- Cognito’s kidnapped Kenneth!
Not really, but it’s Friday afternoon & I need a beer.
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pre-Boomer Marine brat Fri, Aug 14, 2009 11:41:57am |
re: #172 Locker
You like being forced to do things? Me either.
(Just sayin’)
You might want to mull over that response. Reflect upon it, and why you used it.
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Land Shark Fri, Aug 14, 2009 11:42:16am |
re: #3 Dianna
I was taken aback by how blatant this was, and how easily debunked by the blogs.
The media just took her at her word.
Of course. Anyone who supports Obama and the Dems gets instant credibility while anyone against gets investigated, looked into and slandered. Is it any wonder many Americans are starting to get angry at the imperial arrogance of Obama, the Democrats and their media lapdogs?
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Mikey_Dallas Fri, Aug 14, 2009 11:42:21am |
re: #133 Ward Cleaver
I think they prefer to be called “little people who live under bridges”
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lostlakehiker Fri, Aug 14, 2009 11:42:40am |
re: #5 kansas
U.S. Rep. Sheila Jackson Lee on Thursday distanced herself from a University of Houston graduate student and Texas Obama delegate who falsely identified herself as a pediatric physician at the congresswoman’s health care reform town hall meeting this week.
“I’ve never met her,” Jackson Lee said as she prepared to take questions from doctors and other health care workers in a session at St. Joseph Medical Center.
Somehow I quite have confidence in the veracity of Sheila Jackson Lee.
Lee is right there on tape, hugging the good “doctor”. But I guess that doesn’t count as meeting her. The audacity of mendacity on display here, wall to wall.
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wrenchwench Fri, Aug 14, 2009 11:42:52am |
re: #138 Locker
I guess the response to that is, we’ll quit when you stop Glen Beck? Not so easy since none of us really controls someone else.
Who is the “we” in that sentence? Your profile says you are not a Democrat.
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Ward Cleaver Fri, Aug 14, 2009 11:43:07am |
re: #189 Mikey_Dallas
I think they prefer to be called “little people who live under bridges”
Yeah, like under the I-45 bridges downtown.
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tfc3rid Fri, Aug 14, 2009 11:43:16am |
re: #188 Land Shark
Of course. Anyone who supports Obama and the Dems gets instant credibility while anyone against gets investigated, looked into and slandered. Is it any wonder many Americans are starting to get angry at the imperial arrogance of Obama, the Democrats and their media lapdogs?
Trying to take as full advantage of ‘WE WON’ as long as they can…
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Dianna Fri, Aug 14, 2009 11:43:32am |
re: #155 Locker
I’m not really into starting another big Iraq War thing like we had yesterday but for me it was the straight reporting of the march to war stuff. He got what he wanted, he didn’t have to manipulate.
What on earth do you mean?
Bush (whatever you think of his conduct of the war) went out and explained his reasons clearly.
It took five minutes for the press to distort his words and continue claiming he lied.
So, no, Bush did not manipulate. There was no “march to war”, at least not from my point of view. You can say that Rove handled both presidential campaigns in a manipulative way, if you like, but that is campaigning, and the press brought out every possible flaw of action, history or character that Bush could be accused of.
So what on earth are you saying? That you didn’t like Bush?
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Locker Fri, Aug 14, 2009 11:43:47am |
re: #180 tfc3rid
Ummm… There’s a big difference between being forced to do something bad and forcing someone to be upfront and honest.
The problem is that “bad” and “upfront and honest” are subjective terms based on each person’s views and believes. This is the eternal argument about free speech and individual rights vs good of the “state” or whatever.
If I have to force someone not to kill my family, I will.
If I have to force a car sales to tell me a car is more than he thinks I can afford, I won’t do that.
If I have to force a woman not to turn crazy and play doctor, I probably won’t do that either.
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Cato the Elder Fri, Aug 14, 2009 11:44:01am |
How utterly stupid beyond all redemption do you have to be, by the way, to stand up in public - on tape - and claim to be, say, a jet pilot, when your friends and neighbors will see it and tell anyone who cares to listen that you’re really a dog groomer?
This woman is the Democratic of “Joe” the “plumber”.
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Mikey_Dallas Fri, Aug 14, 2009 11:44:07am |
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kansas Fri, Aug 14, 2009 11:44:12am |
re: #191 wrenchwench
Who is the “we” in that sentence? Your profile says you are not a Democrat.
Ooops. Not so easy being a good liar, huh?
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Racer X Fri, Aug 14, 2009 11:44:38am |
re: #176 Ward Cleaver
Of course they’d reply, “So did Bush!”
Absolutely! And the response is - Che did it because he is a narcissistic asshole and he wanted world-wide anrachy. Bush ordered our military to kill bad people in order to keep Americans - and others - safe.
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Charpete67 Fri, Aug 14, 2009 11:45:04am |
re: #196 Cato the Elder
How utterly stupid beyond all redemption do you have to be, by the way, to stand up in public - on tape - and claim to be, say, a jet pilot, when your friends and neighbors will see it and tell anyone who cares to listen that you’re really a dog groomer?
This woman is the Democratic of “Joe” the “plumber”.
…’cept Joe was a plumber…
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turn Fri, Aug 14, 2009 11:45:10am |
re: #139 DrNaughty
not a problem. I’ve actually worked or lived in about 35 countries over the years… I do satellite remote sensing
You could probably come up with one heck of an avatar then. I’ve seen some of those Landsat false color images in the Air and Space Museum and they are pretty wild.
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Wendya Fri, Aug 14, 2009 11:45:12am |
re: #131 doppelganglander
The LaRouchies were responsible for the Obama as Hitler posters. I haven’t heard anything about them being involved with the thing at Rep. Scott’s office. I don’t believe I’ve ever seen a LaRouchie in this area.
They have a download on their website for that particular poster. I will not link to it but it’s pretty easy to find.
I thought the LaRouche movement had died out since I never see anything about them in the media (cough). Wouldn’t it be fun to watch a debate, preferable on some small and distant island, between the Ron Paul people and the LaRouchites?
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albusteve Fri, Aug 14, 2009 11:45:21am |
re: #184 Sharmuta
Both serve to distort and undermine our system.
dissent is part of the system…it’s the matter of degrees that seem to worry people and that’s okay…the system we have at present needs to be shaken up…
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Cato the Elder Fri, Aug 14, 2009 11:45:24am |
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medaura18586 Fri, Aug 14, 2009 11:45:40am |
re: #160 Cato the Elder
I am sending that, minus the first sentence and the last paragraph, to “whitehouse.gov”, where they are asking for questions, with the request that they address it in detail.
(Of course, it’s going under my name, not yours, so you don’t have to fear any jackbooted ACORN thugs at your door. Not for this, at any rate.)
If the conclusions you draw here are true, this partial-birth abortion of a bill has lost whatever declining support I had for it. No doubt for all the wrong reasons, but there it is.
Thanks. Let’s see what they say, if anything at all. But the conclusions I drew are non-controversial and anyone unimpaired by giant gaps in reading comprehension, should be able to reach the same verdict. Obama qualified his statement very carefully, if you think about it:
“If you like your insurance package you can keep it.” — he is not saying people can continue to enroll in private insurance. They can merely keep their immediately current plan for as long as possible. But if you switch jobs, at which point you would normally swap one private insurance plan for another (each respectively provided through your employers), according to the bill, you can’t switch, because the private insurer at your next job cannot accept new enrollment. Also, your children won’t be able to get private insurance. Neither will their children.
This provision directly kills private insurance. No other way to read the bill, and I’m outraged that Republican leaders haven’t made a big fuss about this, exposing Obama for his misleading statement which is nothing but a lie at heart.
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gonecamping Fri, Aug 14, 2009 11:45:45am |
Are they handing out any buttons or bumper stickers that say we won?
If so I’ll take a few…to modify with a marker to say “WE WON’T”
re: #193 tfc3rid
Trying to take as full advantage of ‘WE WON’ as long as they can…
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kansas Fri, Aug 14, 2009 11:45:47am |
re: #196 Cato the Elder
How utterly stupid beyond all redemption do you have to be, by the way, to stand up in public - on tape - and claim to be, say, a jet pilot, when your friends and neighbors will see it and tell anyone who cares to listen that you’re really a dog groomer?
This woman is the Democratic of “Joe” the “plumber”.
I’m not getting that analogy.
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Mikey_Dallas Fri, Aug 14, 2009 11:45:56am |
From Drudge:
2006 FLASHBACK: Pelosi Tells Protesters ‘I’m a Fan of Disruptors’
I wish she’d go back to Emeniar 7
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tfc3rid Fri, Aug 14, 2009 11:46:06am |
re: #195 Locker
But you are forcing a women to not purpotrate fraud by impersonating something she is not in a discussion with an American lawmaker on a topic that is hot button…
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HoosierHoops Fri, Aug 14, 2009 11:46:10am |
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Charpete67 Fri, Aug 14, 2009 11:46:29am |
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Ward Cleaver Fri, Aug 14, 2009 11:46:53am |
re: #203 Wendya
They have a download on their website for that particular poster. I will not link to it but it’s pretty easy to find.
I thought the LaRouche movement had died out since I never see anything about them in the media (cough). Wouldn’t it be fun to watch a debate, preferable on some small and distant island, between the Ron Paul people and the LaRouchites?
I seem to remember a sketch many years ago on SNL that included LaRouche (maybe during the ‘76 campaign). Don’t remember who played him, though.
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BlueCanuck Fri, Aug 14, 2009 11:47:06am |
re: #189 Mikey_Dallas
I think they prefer to be called “little people who live under bridges”
I don’t know what trolls you are talking about. I seem to remember them to be a tad bigger…
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tfc3rid Fri, Aug 14, 2009 11:47:06am |
re: #203 Wendya
They have a download on their website for that particular poster. I will not link to it but it’s pretty easy to find.
I thought the LaRouche movement had died out since I never see anything about them in the media (cough). Wouldn’t it be fun to watch a debate, preferable on some small and distant island, between the Ron Paul people and the LaRouchites?
I see the LALooneies setting up tables here in Midtown and peddling Lyndon…
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MandyManners Fri, Aug 14, 2009 11:47:59am |
re: #184 Sharmuta
Both serve to distort and undermine our system.
One comes from pain, from fear.
The other comes from power, from the intent to manipulate.
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medaura18586 Fri, Aug 14, 2009 11:48:01am |
re: #209 buzzsawmonkey
You’ve been posting some really good stuff lately. A note of appreciation.
Thanks. Even skanks can make good points once in a while.
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Mikey_Dallas Fri, Aug 14, 2009 11:48:09am |
re: #215 BlueCanuck
I don’t know what trolls you are talking about. I seem to remember them to be a tad bigger…
You’re linking to Norse trolls. I’m talking about ones from the Souse.
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eschew_obfuscation Fri, Aug 14, 2009 11:48:10am |
re: #196 Cato the Elder
How utterly stupid beyond all redemption do you have to be, by the way, to stand up in public - on tape - and claim to be, say, a jet pilot, when your friends and neighbors will see it and tell anyone who cares to listen that you’re really a dog groomer?
This woman is the Democratic of “Joe” the “plumber”.
I don’t see where you get this simile.
Joe, whatever you think of him, WAS a plumber (apprentice) and was NOT invited to a meeting pretending to be a something he wasn’t.
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Racer X Fri, Aug 14, 2009 11:48:50am |
re: #213 Charpete67
[Link: en.wikipedia.org…]
Dude never owned his own plumbing business, and he never showed proof of a plumbing nirth certifikate.
/sheesh
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Pianobuff Fri, Aug 14, 2009 11:48:52am |
re: #206 medaura18586
Thanks. Let’s see what they say, if anything at all. But the conclusions I drew are non-controversial and anyone unimpaired by giant gaps in reading comprehension, should be able to reach the same verdict. Obama qualified his statement very carefully, if you think about it:
“If you like your insurance package you can keep it.” — he is not saying people can continue to enroll in private insurance. They can merely keep their immediately current plan for as long as possible. But if you switch jobs, at which point you would normally swap one private insurance plan for another (each respectively provided through your employers), according to the bill, you can’t switch, because the private insurer at your next job cannot accept new enrollment. Also, your children won’t be able to get private insurance. Neither will their children.
This provision directly kills private insurance. No other way to read the bill, and I’m outraged that Republican leaders haven’t made a big fuss about this, exposing Obama for his misleading statement which is nothing but a lie at heart.
I think some have which is why Obama keeps going out of way to talk about it as “that ridiculous notion”. Those that are speaking are being drowned out by the media cry of “it’s a lie”!
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SecondComing Fri, Aug 14, 2009 11:49:00am |
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Kosh's Shadow Fri, Aug 14, 2009 11:49:15am |
re: #206 medaura18586
Thanks. Let’s see what they say, if anything at all. But the conclusions I drew are non-controversial and anyone unimpaired by giant gaps in reading comprehension, should be able to reach the same verdict. Obama qualified his statement very carefully, if you think about it:
“If you like your insurance package you can keep it.” — he is not saying people can continue to enroll in private insurance. They can merely keep their immediately current plan for as long as possible. But if you switch jobs, at which point you would normally swap one private insurance plan for another (each respectively provided through your employers), according to the bill, you can’t switch, because the private insurer at your next job cannot accept new enrollment. Also, your children won’t be able to get private insurance. Neither will their children.
This provision directly kills private insurance. No other way to read the bill, and I’m outraged that Republican leaders haven’t made a big fuss about this, exposing Obama for his misleading statement which is nothing but a lie at heart.
In the dead thread, 3wood’s analysis is that private policies could still be offered, if they conformed to the regulations and were offered through an exchange. However, the other restrictions on private policies would make them unprofitable, because the government would control their yearly profit and not allow them to build up a reserve. Thus, even the grandfathered policies could be dropped.
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wrenchwench Fri, Aug 14, 2009 11:49:16am |
re: #198 kansas
Ooops. Not so easy being a good liar, huh?
I haven’t been paying enough attention to know whether Locker is here for discussion or distraction. If it’s the latter, I’m sorry to have contributed.
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Locker Fri, Aug 14, 2009 11:49:26am |
re: #194 Dianna
Yes sorry, like I said, didn’t wanna rehash all this again. The Open Overnight Thread from… umm…Wednesday Night has all of this in it. Iraq war debates, etc, etc.
If you click on my name and then recent comments and go to that night we’ll save a lot of time. I’d be happy to answer anything after that but I don’t wanna re-spam this thread.
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kansas Fri, Aug 14, 2009 11:49:32am |
re: #221 Racer X
Dude never owned his own plumbing business, and he never showed proof of a plumbing nirth certifikate.
/sheesh
Dude, you can be a plumber with a wrench and plunger.
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Dianna Fri, Aug 14, 2009 11:49:48am |
re: #190 lostlakehiker
Lee is right there on tape, hugging the good “doctor”. But I guess that doesn’t count as meeting her. The audacity of mendacity on display here, wall to wall.
That was because Lee believed the story she was being told. Mostly, one does suspect, because it conformed to her own opinions.
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jorline Fri, Aug 14, 2009 11:50:17am |
Good afternoon lizards.
I hear we’re playing doctor…who’s the next patient?
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Sharmuta Fri, Aug 14, 2009 11:50:17am |
re: #204 albusteve
No one is stopping people from protesting, but town hall meetings are not the place.
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Pianobuff Fri, Aug 14, 2009 11:50:37am |
re: #224 Kosh’s Shadow
In the dead thread, 3wood’s analysis is that private policies could still be offered, if they conformed to the regulations and were offered through an exchange. However, the other restrictions on private policies would make them unprofitable, because the government would control their yearly profit and not allow them to build up a reserve. Thus, even the grandfathered policies could be dropped.
Which, while true, is a different matter than “if you like your private insurance you can keep it”.
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MandyManners Fri, Aug 14, 2009 11:50:39am |
re: #195 Locker
The problem is that “bad” and “upfront and honest” are subjective terms based on each person’s views and believes. This is the eternal argument about free speech and individual rights vs good of the “state” or whatever.
If I have to force someone not to kill my family, I will.
If I have to force a car sales to tell me a car is more than he thinks I can afford, I won’t do that.
If I have to force a woman not to turn crazy and play doctor, I probably won’t do that either.
She did not “turn crazy”. She KNEW WHAT SHE WAS DOING.
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Kosh's Shadow Fri, Aug 14, 2009 11:50:42am |
re: #219 Mikey_Dallas
You’re linking to Norse trolls. I’m talking about ones from the Souse.
Soused trolls can be very dangerous. Fortunately, it takes a lot of mead to get them soused.
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Racer X Fri, Aug 14, 2009 11:50:49am |
Not that I’m defending Joe the Dumber. He has shown himself to be quite the bigot. But he was, in fact, a plumber. He never claimed to be a physical therapist.
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Charpete67 Fri, Aug 14, 2009 11:51:08am |
re: #221 Racer X
Dude never owned his own plumbing business, and he never showed proof of a plumbing nirth certifikate.
/sheesh
you’re saying Joe was never a plumber?…I know there we issues with his license, but to say he was as dishonest as this woman who claimed to be a doctor is a stretch. I would bet he fixed more toilets than this woman operated on patients.
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Sharmuta Fri, Aug 14, 2009 11:51:20am |
re: #217 MandyManners
One comes from pain, from fear.
The other comes from power, from the intent to manipulate.
And both are dangerous in politics.
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Pvt Bin Jammin Fri, Aug 14, 2009 11:51:32am |
re: #205 Cato the Elder
Nope.
My hubby is a licensed plumbing contractor here in California. If the plumbers that work for him are actual employees (which they are) rather than sub-contractors, they do not need a license of their own. Don’t know whether the law is the same wherever Joe is from.
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MandyManners Fri, Aug 14, 2009 11:51:34am |
re: #196 Cato the Elder
How utterly stupid beyond all redemption do you have to be, by the way, to stand up in public - on tape - and claim to be, say, a jet pilot, when your friends and neighbors will see it and tell anyone who cares to listen that you’re really a dog groomer?
This woman is the Democratic of “Joe” the “plumber”.
So, we can expect public servants to break the law and stick an electron microscope up her butt, too?
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Racer X Fri, Aug 14, 2009 11:51:37am |
re: #227 kansas
Dude, you can be a plumber with a wrench and plunger.
I was a plumber last night then!
/no butt crack
/ok minimal
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lostlakehiker Fri, Aug 14, 2009 11:51:38am |
re: #22 flyovercountry
I love it when these things come to light. A local N.H. television station ran a news report showing Obama supporters being bussed in to Obama’s N.H. townhall. Now the fake doctor at a townhall in Texas, and the fake was even from another district, also imported. All of this is done as the Left accuses the Right of, “astroturfing.” It would appear as though the Liberals among us are also having their problems. There is going to be a huge GOP victory in 2010.
Huge GOP victories cannot be won purely in consequence of Democrat mistakes and overreaching. The GOP will have to have something tangible and attractive on offer. Newt Gingrich’s Contract with America was the key to a previous GOP surge.
Ideas needed.
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Cato the Elder Fri, Aug 14, 2009 11:52:05am |
re: #213 Charpete67
[Link: en.wikipedia.org…]
Quote:
As part of the background on McCain’s use of “Joe the Plumber”, several media outlets researched his professional plumbing credentials. One Toledo Blade article stated, “Mr. Wurzelbacher said he works under Al Newell’s license, but according to Ohio building regulations, he must maintain his own license to do plumbing work. He is also not registered to operate as a plumber in Ohio, which means he’s not a plumber.” “Mr. Joseph (business manager of the local union) said Mr. Wurzelbacher could only legally work in the townships, but not in any municipality in Lucas County or elsewhere in the country.” [77]
A detailed article in Newsweek pointed out that, “Reporters working on profiles soon discovered that Wurzelbacher didn’t actually have a state or local license to work as a plumber in the Toledo area, and despite Wurzelbacher’s insistence that he didn’t need one, local officials and building inspectors in Toledo insisted he did. On Friday, those officials said a letter was being mailed to Wurzelbacher’s employer warning him to get into compliance with city codes or face the loss of the company’s license.”[78] Wurzelbacher’s employer at the time, A. W. Newell, is licensed by the State of Ohio and the City of Toledo.[15][8]
An MSNBC article further elaborated on the requirement for Joe to legally work, “…anyone working under Newell should have a journeyman’s plumbing license or an apprenticeship license, officials said.”[79] Local 50 of the United Association of Plumbers, Steamfitters and Service Mechanics stated that Wurzelbacher never completed the apprentice program he began in 2003.[80]
I wouldn’t have him touch a sink drain of mine. Would you?
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tfc3rid Fri, Aug 14, 2009 11:52:10am |
re: #231 Sharmuta
No one is stopping people from protesting, but town hall meetings are not the place.
But for an angry lot who feels their representative doesn’t listen, it’s the only place to unload.
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Dianna Fri, Aug 14, 2009 11:52:11am |
re: #195 Locker
I’m sorry, but there are standards of right and wrong. If you think that’s a matter of perspective, you are going to receive no sympathy from me when someone steals from you.
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Mad Al-Jaffee Fri, Aug 14, 2009 11:52:34am |
re: #234 Kosh’s Shadow
Soused trolls can be very dangerous. Fortunately, it takes a lot of mead to get them soused.
Are you trying to ferment a pun thread?
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kansas Fri, Aug 14, 2009 11:53:05am |
re: #240 Racer X
I was a plumber last night then!
/no butt crack
/ok minimal
My son in law has a license. He employs people who don’t and don’t need them. They tell their wives they are plumbers.
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MandyManners Fri, Aug 14, 2009 11:53:19am |
re: #237 Sharmuta
And both are dangerous in politics.
We’ll have to agree to disagree about the degree of danger each behavior represents, then.
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midwestgak Fri, Aug 14, 2009 11:53:26am |
re: #230 jorline
Hey {jorline}! Good to see you. I’m doing well and hope you are too.
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albusteve Fri, Aug 14, 2009 11:53:33am |
re: #231 Sharmuta
No one is stopping people from protesting, but town hall meetings are not the place.
maybe not, but it’s been blown way out of proportion imo…some would consider it the perfect place to protest…that does not make them bad citizens
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Sharmuta Fri, Aug 14, 2009 11:53:41am |
re: #243 tfc3rid
But for an angry lot who feels their representative doesn’t listen, it’s the only place to unload.
No it isn’t. And if people think town halls are where they’re supposed to go and “unload” you can expect town halls to go the way of the dodo.
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Racer X Fri, Aug 14, 2009 11:53:46am |
re: #242 Cato the Elder
I wouldn’t have him touch a sink drain of mine. Would you?
Fucking unions again.
Without a union card is it illegal to say you are a plumber?
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Kosh's Shadow Fri, Aug 14, 2009 11:54:04am |
re: #232 Pianobuff
Which, while true, is a different matter than “if you like your private insurance you can keep it”.
Yes. The big problem with this bill is, despite its length, a lot is not defined, and left up to panels to be named later. We’re being sold something that won’t be defined until later.
We don’t know what the pay out requirements will be; we don’t know what will be required of insurance in an “exchange” (except that it will be more of an HMO than anything else).
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Dianna Fri, Aug 14, 2009 11:54:06am |
re: #201 Charpete67
…’cept Joe was a plumber…
Or at least worked for a plumber, though not possessing a license himself.
By all means, let’s split that hair.
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BlueCanuck Fri, Aug 14, 2009 11:54:13am |
re: #242 Cato the Elder
From the looks of things he was fired for paperwork cause. If he had been working for that company for at least a year or so it wasn’t because he was a poor employee. So yes he was more a plumber then the women mentioned above was a doctor.
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Sharmuta Fri, Aug 14, 2009 11:54:14am |
re: #247 MandyManners
We’ll have to agree to disagree about the degree of danger each behavior represents, then.
This is the first mention of degree.
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Racer X Fri, Aug 14, 2009 11:54:14am |
re: #246 kansas
My son in law has a license. He employs people who don’t and don’t need them. They tell their wives they are plumbers.
Don’t tell Cato.
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tfc3rid Fri, Aug 14, 2009 11:54:32am |
re: #250 Sharmuta
No it isn’t. And if people think town halls are where they’re supposed to go and “unload” you can expect town halls to go the way of the dodo.
You tell me where people are supposed to be heard by their pols when it isn’t election day…
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AZDave Fri, Aug 14, 2009 11:54:38am |
re: #39 quiet man
This is more evidence the left cant be honest in their dealings with the people of this country..
.
That’s because we Americans can’t handle the truth. Just ask Pelosi, Reid, or Obama.
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jorline Fri, Aug 14, 2009 11:54:45am |
re: #248 midwestgak
Hey {jorline}! Good to see you. I’m doing well and hope you are too.
{gak}
I’m well…thanks.
Good to see you too. You staying out of trouble?
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Charpete67 Fri, Aug 14, 2009 11:54:49am |
re: #242 Cato the Elder
I wouldn’t have him touch a sink drain of mine. Would you?
…so, he worked as a plumber, without a license, but he’s not a plumber? How does the lack of a license not make him a plumber…if he fixed a toilet, he’s a plumber.
…but no, I probably wouldn’t hire him…not because he’s not a plumber, but because he doesn’t have a license and that would make me wonder if he’s any good.
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wrenchwench Fri, Aug 14, 2009 11:54:56am |
re: #250 Sharmuta
No it isn’t. And if people think town halls are where they’re supposed to go and “unload” you can expect town halls to go the way of the dodo.
The best place to “unload” is in the voting booth. It just doesn’t happen often enough to please everyone.
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kansas Fri, Aug 14, 2009 11:54:59am |
All you protesters just need to stay home and protest so no one sees you.
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Ward Cleaver Fri, Aug 14, 2009 11:55:04am |
re: #235 Racer X
Not that I’m defending Joe the Dumber. He has shown himself to be quite the bigot. But he was, in fact, a plumber. He never claimed to be a physical therapist.
He may have turned out to be a bust, but he was just a regular guy, and it was 0bama who came to him, not the other way around. He probably wishes now that he’d never met 0bama.
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MandyManners Fri, Aug 14, 2009 11:55:27am |
re: #255 Sharmuta
This is the first mention of degree.
Oh. I thought the language of my posts made it clear that I believed one was worse than the other. I apologize for not making that clear.
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kansas Fri, Aug 14, 2009 11:55:54am |
re: #264 Ward Cleaver
He may have turned out to be a bust, but he was just a regular guy, and it was 0bama who came to him, not the other way around. He probably wishes now that he’d never met 0bama.
I’m pretty sure that number is growing./
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BlueCanuck Fri, Aug 14, 2009 11:56:16am |
re: #264 Ward Cleaver
He may have turned out to be a bust, but he was just a regular guy, and it was 0bama who came to him, not the other way around. He probably wishes now that he’d never met 0bama.
Yeah, he would probably still be working as a plumber. :)
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Sharmuta Fri, Aug 14, 2009 11:56:38am |
re: #257 tfc3rid
You tell me where people are supposed to be heard by their pols when it isn’t election day…
If they want to rage, they can stage a protest. If they want to conform to the levels of civility that town hall meetings are supposed to have, they can go to the meetings.
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tfc3rid Fri, Aug 14, 2009 11:56:40am |
re: #263 kansas
All you protesters just need to stay home and protest so no one sees you.
Then we ask on election day where was the silent majority and fall deeper and deeper into Euro Social Democracy.
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medaura18586 Fri, Aug 14, 2009 11:56:42am |
re: #224 Kosh’s Shadow
In the dead thread, 3wood’s analysis is that private policies could still be offered, if they conformed to the regulations and were offered through an exchange. However, the other restrictions on private policies would make them unprofitable, because the government would control their yearly profit and not allow them to build up a reserve. Thus, even the grandfathered policies could be dropped.
Please link to his analysis (there are many dead threads).
The only way I can comprehend the bill is that private insurers cannot accept new enrollment after the bill’s passage, and on top of that, they must abide by new restrictions and regulations, such as LIMITATION ON CHANGES IN TERMS OR CONDITIONS, and RESTRICTIONS ON PREMIUM INCREASES. Subject to a grace period, private employers must amend any existing private plan so that it matches all the garbage of the public option.
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Kosh's Shadow Fri, Aug 14, 2009 11:56:52am |
re: #245 Mad Al-Jaffee
Are you trying to ferment a pun thread?
Wort are you saying? Yeast, but this one barley got started.
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midwestgak Fri, Aug 14, 2009 11:57:18am |
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tfc3rid Fri, Aug 14, 2009 11:57:21am |
re: #268 Sharmuta
If they want to rage, they can stage a protest. If they want to conform to the levels of civility that town hall meetings are supposed to have, they can go to the meetings.
I give them credit for going… My reps here in NY wouldn’t even bother to give us the time of day… THAT is why people are angry.
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AZDave Fri, Aug 14, 2009 11:57:23am |
re: #173 buster
Ms Jackson-Lee may be the most vapid member of the House of Representatives, but she is not the only waste of skin there. What is most disconcerting is the fact that these people are returned, time and time again, to DC by Government educated voters.
Well, there you go! ‘Nuf said.
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Cato the Elder Fri, Aug 14, 2009 11:57:48am |
re: #206 medaura18586
Taking the excerpt by itself, your conclusions are indeed valid. I merely wonder if there might be something in the zillions of lines in that monstrous bill that modifies or contradicts them. Which of course is one of the major problems with all such bills - in case of doubt, it is up to the implementing agencies to decide what is meant, and that will not always (speaking mildly) reflect either what was actually intended by the legislators or, shall we say, common sense.
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Mikey_Dallas Fri, Aug 14, 2009 11:57:56am |
re: #258 buzzsawmonkey
“Norse trolls?” Are those the apertures in Henry Waxman’s nose?
Now that you mention it, some of the more recent photos of Waxman, I thought, he was starting to morph kind of Michael Jackson like.
Then I realized I had never seen Michael Jackson and Henry Waxman together in the same room.
Then Waxman becomes the center of debate on health care, and Michael Jackson mysteriously dies.
Somfin happin here
What it is ain’t exactly clear…
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Mad Al-Jaffee Fri, Aug 14, 2009 11:58:05am |
re: #271 Kosh’s Shadow
Wort are you saying? Yeast, but this one barley got started.
Well then, hop to it and brew some up!
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MandyManners Fri, Aug 14, 2009 11:58:17am |
re: #271 Kosh’s Shadow
Wort are you saying? Yeast, but this one barley got started.
If I had a pumpernickle for every pun on LGF, I’d be rolling in the dough.
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Sharmuta Fri, Aug 14, 2009 11:58:21am |
re: #265 MandyManners
Fear leads to anger, anger leads to hate, hate leads to suffering.
Liars, on the other hand, can be exposed.
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albusteve Fri, Aug 14, 2009 11:58:32am |
re: #250 Sharmuta
No it isn’t. And if people think town halls are where they’re supposed to go and “unload” you can expect town halls to go the way of the dodo.
when your rep shows up to explain the bill, but has not read the bill, then I’d say there is no reason for a town hall…there are two sides to this
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Dianna Fri, Aug 14, 2009 11:58:44am |
re: #226 Locker
I wasn’t asking about what you thought about Iraq, and I flatly don’t care what your thoughts on that subject.
I’m asking you to supply evidence for your statements that Bush had control of the media. Please supply same.
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Ward Cleaver Fri, Aug 14, 2009 11:58:49am |
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Cato the Elder Fri, Aug 14, 2009 11:59:28am |
OK, already. If I work for IKEA assembling box furniture, I get to say I’m a carpenter. I get it.
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gonecamping Fri, Aug 14, 2009 11:59:31am |
If you are going to brew up a batch…Hops to it!re: #271 Kosh’s Shadow
Wort are you saying? Yeast, but this one barley got started.
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Honorary Yooper Fri, Aug 14, 2009 11:59:39am |
re: #251 Racer X
Fucking unions again.
Without a union card is it illegal to say you are a plumber?
Nothing to do with unions, it is state licensure. As an engineer, I am licensed by the state to perform my work and call myself thus.
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Creeping Eruption Fri, Aug 14, 2009 11:59:44am |
re: #271 Kosh’s Shadow
Wort are you saying? Yeast, but this one barley got started.
Oooh beer puns. Mind if I hop in?
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lobo91 Fri, Aug 14, 2009 12:00:07pm |
re: #261 Charpete67
…so, he worked as a plumber, without a license, but he’s not a plumber? How does the lack of a license not make him a plumber…if he fixed a toilet, he’s a plumber.
…but no, I probably wouldn’t hire him…not because he’s not a plumber, but because he doesn’t have a license and that would make me wonder if he’s any good.
More to the point, of course, is the fact that he never offered himself up as an expert on plumbing, as far as I recall. He asked Obama a question about taxes.
The woman at Sheila Jackson Lee’s town hall, on the other hand, used her fraudulent status as a physician to lend credibility to her remarks.
Just a tiny bit of difference there, IMO.
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keithgabryelski Fri, Aug 14, 2009 12:00:22pm |
re: #99 Flyovercountry
I have never in my 46 years seen anything like this President and his ability to manipulate the press.
It just seems odd to bring up This President as the peak of a problem that is so well documented across previous presidents.
Just remember that it will never be real. Everything he does is Kabuki Theater. The town hall in New Hampshire, where we were told ahead of time by the media that there would be no plants in the audience, was made entirely of Obama plants.
Yeah, it looked like he had a lot of supporters there. And the “he winked at me lady” was over the top. At least some reasonable questions were asked.
At least this town hall should have better demographics given the “first come first served” nature of the ticket distribution.
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medaura18586 Fri, Aug 14, 2009 12:00:28pm |
re: #275 Cato the Elder
Perhaps, perhaps, perhaps. But I highly doubt it, because it’s clear that killing private insurance is the administration’s goal. Why would they insert in the bill provisions to counteract that result? I bet they don’t.
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Mikey_Dallas Fri, Aug 14, 2009 12:00:29pm |
re: #286 Creeping Eruption
Oooh beer puns. Mind if I hop in?
Head on over. We’re foaming at the mouth for new blood
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Pianobuff Fri, Aug 14, 2009 12:00:31pm |
re: #252 Kosh’s Shadow
Yes. The big problem with this bill is, despite its length, a lot is not defined, and left up to panels to be named later. We’re being sold something that won’t be defined until later.
We don’t know what the pay out requirements will be; we don’t know what will be required of insurance in an “exchange” (except that it will be more of an HMO than anything else).
Certain sections, particularly concerning treatment, etc. (see comparative effectiveness in the bill) are pretty much open-ended placeholders to do anything.
Of course, all insurance companies have to make decisions like this, but I’d rather have more choices than less. Even the private insurance offered on the Healthcare Exchange will have to be in government “compliance”, whatever the heck that ends up meaning. My “boots on the ground” interpretation of this is that the government will design plans and the private-insurers will operationalize them, which is not really my idea of choice.
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Locker Fri, Aug 14, 2009 12:00:33pm |
re: #281 Dianna
What statement that Bush controlled the media? My statement was that he didn’t have to control it since it just did what he wanted, without control. The media were sheep for Bush on going to Iraq.
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JarHeadLifer Fri, Aug 14, 2009 12:00:46pm |
re: #134 That’s Mr. President to you
While everyone here seems intent on bashing Che Guevara, allow me to point out that he was a physician.
[out of character - that is a verbatim quote that i heard from a progressive last year after the “Che’s Image in Obama Campaign office” story broke. Verbatim.]
The next time you hear idiotic nonsense, such as that, lay this name on them…Ayman al-Zawahiri. Lifelong physician, hater of Jews and murderer of Americans, Europeans and infidels of all-kinds.
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albusteve Fri, Aug 14, 2009 12:00:59pm |
re: #268 Sharmuta
If they want to rage, they can stage a protest. If they want to conform to the levels of civility that town hall meetings are supposed to have, they can go to the meetings.
but they didn’t…so find a solution to the problem…what should be or could be is not the issue…demonizing the yellers accomplishes nothing
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BlueCanuck Fri, Aug 14, 2009 12:01:05pm |
re: #283 Cato the Elder
I think the term is cabinet maker. A bit different than a carpenter, although both work with wood.
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Cato the Elder Fri, Aug 14, 2009 12:01:09pm |
If I fix a toilet, I’m a plumber.
If I paint a door, I’m a painter.
If I reboot your computer, I’m an IT guy.
If I hum in the shower, I’m a singer.
Just don’t pay me to do any of those things, unless you’re an idiot.
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MandyManners Fri, Aug 14, 2009 12:01:16pm |
re: #279 Sharmuta
Fear leads to anger, anger leads to hate, hate leads to suffering.
Liars, on the other hand, can be exposed.
One way to stop the fear is by getting information.
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Charpete67 Fri, Aug 14, 2009 12:01:31pm |
re: #283 Cato the Elder
OK, already. If I work for IKEA assembling box furniture, I get to say I’m a carpenter. I get it.
…if you worked for a plumbing company and you fixed pipes…what would you be?…
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turn Fri, Aug 14, 2009 12:01:42pm |
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Mad Al-Jaffee Fri, Aug 14, 2009 12:01:47pm |
re: #276 Mikey_Dallas
NOW you’re onto something! If Jackson and Waxman are the same person, that explains why Sarah Palin had Jackson killed.
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Cato the Elder Fri, Aug 14, 2009 12:02:13pm |
re: #239 MandyManners
So, we can expect public servants to break the law and stick an electron microscope up her butt, too?
They should, yes.
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Mikey_Dallas Fri, Aug 14, 2009 12:02:14pm |
re: #299 Charpete67
…if you worked for a plumbing company and you fixed pipes…what would you be?…
A pipe fixer person, of course.
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Dianna Fri, Aug 14, 2009 12:02:48pm |
re: #235 Racer X
Not that I’m defending Joe the Dumber. He has shown himself to be quite the bigot. But he was, in fact, a plumber. He never claimed to be a physical therapist.
This is where the problem begins and ends. What he’s shown himself to be since the incident that made him a public figure isn’t relevant to how he was denigrated and hounded at the time.
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Wendya Fri, Aug 14, 2009 12:02:51pm |
re: #263 kansas
All you protesters just need to stay home and protest so no one sees you.
Protest outside the meetings unless your representative is stupid enough to turn away and take a cell phone call in the middle of a question. In that case, vocal disapproval isn’t unjustified.
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MandyManners Fri, Aug 14, 2009 12:03:08pm |
re: #302 Cato the Elder
They should, yes.
No, they should not. It is NOT okay for public servants to break the law just to score some political points.
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Kosh's Shadow Fri, Aug 14, 2009 12:03:10pm |
re: #270 medaura18586
Please link to his analysis (there are many dead threads).
The only way I can comprehend the bill is that private insurers cannot accept new enrollment after the bill’s passage, and on top of that, they must abide by new restrictions and regulations, such as LIMITATION ON CHANGES IN TERMS OR CONDITIONS, and RESTRICTIONS ON PREMIUM INCREASES. Subject to a grace period, private employers must amend any existing private plan so that it matches all the garbage of the public option.
Found it (Charles, can you please make the poster’s nic searchable?)
Here is the post
And here are some relevant quotes
2. With regard to “keeping your health care plan” yes you can…until the plan changes anything much and then it stops existing as it was and has to comply with the government standards and be one of the basked of plans in the HEI.
4. The plan establishes “medical loss ratios” the the private plans have to comply with. The stated intent is to make sure that the premiums paid are going for services, which makes the mistake of equating money spent with service level provided in my opinion. this is the same philosophy used on public education, and you can draw your own conclusions about how well that has worked. If the private plan does not pay out enough to meet the medical loss ratio, they have to give back a rebate to the premium payers. This is a backdoor way of dictating profit that an insurer can make, and I believe will be a big disincentive for private insurers to offer health insurance. part of the calculation for private insurers is the ability to build up a capital reserve in low claim years to be able to pay out claims in high loss years. I think this provision would negatively impact their ability to do so. So, along would come one bad year and they would be out of money. No smart private insurer will take that risk, cause it all but guarantees a big loss for them sooner or later.
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Cato the Elder Fri, Aug 14, 2009 12:03:21pm |
“Joe’s” qualifications put him in the category of semi-skilled labor.
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Mad Al-Jaffee Fri, Aug 14, 2009 12:03:47pm |
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Cato the Elder Fri, Aug 14, 2009 12:04:14pm |
re: #306 MandyManners
No, they should not. It is NOT okay for public servants to break the law just to score some political points.
I’m sorry, you’re absolutely right. I read so fast that I only focussed on the last half of your sentence. My bad.
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Cato the Elder Fri, Aug 14, 2009 12:04:35pm |
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Pianobuff Fri, Aug 14, 2009 12:04:39pm |
re: #308 Cato the Elder
“Joe’s” qualifications put him in the category of semi-skilled labor.
“Joe the semi-skilled laborer” doesn’t have the same lyrical quality and I reject it for that reason alone!
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Mikey_Dallas Fri, Aug 14, 2009 12:04:39pm |
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MandyManners Fri, Aug 14, 2009 12:04:41pm |
Not one freakin’ ding for my pumpernickel post.
Harumph.
*flouce*
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pre-Boomer Marine brat Fri, Aug 14, 2009 12:04:52pm |
The arrogance is getting VERY deep in here.
I’ll be back later.
/*biting my tongue, stalking from the room*
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Kosh's Shadow Fri, Aug 14, 2009 12:04:58pm |
re: #275 Cato the Elder
Taking the excerpt by itself, your conclusions are indeed valid. I merely wonder if there might be something in the zillions of lines in that monstrous bill that modifies or contradicts them. Which of course is one of the major problems with all such bills - in case of doubt, it is up to the implementing agencies to decide what is meant, and that will not always (speaking mildly) reflect either what was actually intended by the legislators or, shall we say, common sense.
And 3wood found several contradictions in the bill.
7. Over all I found the 800 or so pages I worked through extremely confusing. For example, I found wording that seemed to indicate that illegal aliens were not covered, then I found other sections that could be interpreted to say that they were. I’m still not sure one way or the other and I’ve taken my time reading this thing. I’ve read a lot of legislation in my time and I’ve also written some, so I’m not a newbie at this.This seemed to me written by a team of lawyers, with the intent to be confusing. They would start sections amending the section you had not yet read. They would refer to other pieces of legislation not appended. They would use initials for obscure phrases, and you would have to search for many pages to figure out what those initials signified.
My take was it was written in such a fashion as to provide a lot of room for interpretation.
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midwestgak Fri, Aug 14, 2009 12:05:14pm |
re: #293 Locker
What statement that Bush controlled the media? My statement was that he didn’t have to control it since it just did what he wanted, without control. The media were sheep for Bush on going to Iraq.
Reread your own #117.
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Dianna Fri, Aug 14, 2009 12:05:20pm |
re: #297 Cato the Elder
If I fix a toilet, I’m a plumber.
If I paint a door, I’m a painter.
If I reboot your computer, I’m an IT guy.
If I hum in the shower, I’m a singer.
Just don’t pay me to do any of those things, unless you’re an idiot.
No, sir. You miss the point.
When I call a licensed plumbing contractor, the person who shows up is usually an employee, who probably is not licensed. Said employee does the plumbing work. If I am not happy with the work done by that employee, and I complain, the complaint goes against the contractor’s license.
This is why bad employees do not last long in many of the trades.
You, clearly, are not the employee of a licensed contractor, or you would know what you’re talking about a bit better.
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Locker Fri, Aug 14, 2009 12:05:23pm |
re: #315 MandyManners
Not one freakin’ ding for my pumpernickel post.
Harumph.
*flouce*
Well… it did make me think of a rap song lyric… “When it comes to getting bread I got the keys to the bakery.” I guess that deserves a retroactive upding.
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Charpete67 Fri, Aug 14, 2009 12:05:25pm |
re: #297 Cato the Elder
If I fix a toilet, I’m a plumber.
If I paint a door, I’m a painter.
If I reboot your computer, I’m an IT guy.
If I hum in the shower, I’m a singer.
Just don’t pay me to do any of those things, unless you’re an idiot.
…ok, I updinged you…you’ve worn me out…I’m not wrong…just don’t really want to somehow defend whether or not Joe is in fact a plumber.
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Mad Al-Jaffee Fri, Aug 14, 2009 12:05:40pm |
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Dianna Fri, Aug 14, 2009 12:05:49pm |
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wrenchwench Fri, Aug 14, 2009 12:05:56pm |
re: #225 wrenchwench
I haven’t been paying enough attention to know whether Locker is here for discussion or distraction. If it’s the latter, I’m sorry to have contributed.
Locker responds to me only with dings. Not here for discussion, and not very good at the distraction, passing up an opportunity like that.
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Kosh's Shadow Fri, Aug 14, 2009 12:06:02pm |
re: #292 Pianobuff
Certain sections, particularly concerning treatment, etc. (see comparative effectiveness in the bill) are pretty much open-ended placeholders to do anything.
Of course, all insurance companies have to make decisions like this, but I’d rather have more choices than less. Even the private insurance offered on the Healthcare Exchange will have to be in government “compliance”, whatever the heck that ends up meaning. My “boots on the ground” interpretation of this is that the government will design plans and the private-insurers will operationalize them, which is not really my idea of choice.
Exactly.
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Cato the Elder Fri, Aug 14, 2009 12:06:10pm |
re: #299 Charpete67
…if you worked for a plumbing company and you fixed pipes…what would you be?…
Unskilled or semi-skilled labor, probably. By any fair standard.
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debutaunt Fri, Aug 14, 2009 12:06:22pm |
re: #304 Dianna
This is where the problem begins and ends. What he’s shown himself to be since the incident that made him a public figure isn’t relevant to how he was denigrated and hounded at the time.
It exposed Obama as a ‘wealth-spreader’, which is good.
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Cato the Elder Fri, Aug 14, 2009 12:06:53pm |
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Dreader1962 Fri, Aug 14, 2009 12:07:06pm |
I just read the story (sorry if I’m coming to the fold late).
How is this for an equivocation:
In a West Coast political blog, Patterico’s Pontifications, Mayer admitted she is not a doctor.
When queried by the Houston Chronicle if she held a medical license outside Texas, she responded via e-mail: “If my initial statement to the Houston Chronicle can not be substantiated, then I understand your responsibility to omit it.”
“Okay - I’m not saying whether or not I falsely represented myself and I have no idea if anything I say can be substantiated, but I understand if you don’t print it.”
Q: Is Ms. Mayer a doctor?
A: It depends on the meaning of the word ‘is’; she may have been a doctor in a previous life, she may become a doctor in the future, she may be a doctor in an alternate universe, and besides, time is relative and definitions are too constraining, so can’t we just forget it and Move On?
/s
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turn Fri, Aug 14, 2009 12:07:12pm |
re: #271 Kosh’s Shadow
Wort are you saying? Yeast, but this one barley got started.
You guys really hops around with your pun subjects.
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JustABill Fri, Aug 14, 2009 12:07:26pm |
re: #285 Honorary Yooper
Nothing to do with unions, it is state licensure. As an engineer, I am licensed by the state to perform my work and call myself thus.
Yes but there are many engineers that don’t need a license. Especially those who work for someone else. My dad has a BS in Mech Engr, worked his entire career as an engineer, but never got a professional license. It cost money and time, and he didn’t need it, nor did most of the other engineers he worked with…
I have a degree in Comp Sci, for a long while, my job title was “Software Engineer”. I have no professional license(I don’t think there is one for software) and I don’t claim to be an engineer, but thats what my company called me…
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lobo91 Fri, Aug 14, 2009 12:07:36pm |
re: #308 Cato the Elder
“Joe’s” qualifications put him in the category of semi-skilled labor.
And if he had been on a show on TLC or HGTV telling people how to install plumbing, that might have been relevant.
He asked a question about tax policy. He’s a US citizen and a taxpayer.
As far as I’m concerned, those are all the qualifications he needed to ask that question.
Anything else is pure character assassination carried out by the leftwing lapdog media, pure and simple.
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lostlakehiker Fri, Aug 14, 2009 12:07:40pm |
re: #229 Dianna
That was because Lee believed the story she was being told. Mostly, one does suspect, because it conformed to her own opinions.
Sheila Jackson-Lee said, days after meeting “doctor” Roxana Mayer and giving the hug, that she had never met her. That’s the mendacity. The giving of the hug may possibly not have been staged. That SJL was informed ahead of time of what RxM would say, and a scripted response decided on, is doubtful, and I make no such charge.
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J.S. Fri, Aug 14, 2009 12:07:40pm |
re: #317 Kosh’s Shadow
Another problem, though (from what I’ve read) is that there are 5 different versions of this bill floating around. So, an additional problem is identifying which “bill” one is referring to…(at least that’s what I’ve been reading)…
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turn Fri, Aug 14, 2009 12:07:42pm |
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albusteve Fri, Aug 14, 2009 12:07:46pm |
re: #308 Cato the Elder
“Joe’s” qualifications put him in the category of semi-skilled labor.
how do you know how skilled he is?…you don’t…if qualifications were etched in stone BO would be washing cars somewhere
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Charpete67 Fri, Aug 14, 2009 12:08:32pm |
re: #339 albusteve
how do you know how skilled he is?…you don’t…if qualifications were etched in stone BO would be washing cars somewhere
…or organizing protests…
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midwestgak Fri, Aug 14, 2009 12:08:41pm |
Whoa. Cubbies are winning over Pittsburgh 8 to 0 in the bottom of the second. Bases are loaded with no outs.
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Cato the Elder Fri, Aug 14, 2009 12:08:51pm |
re: #290 medaura18586
Perhaps, perhaps, perhaps. But I highly doubt it, because it’s clear that killing private insurance is the administration’s goal. Why would they insert in the bill provisions to counteract that result? I bet they don’t.
Well, let’s see if I even get a response. “We want to hear from you,” they say. Waiting.
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Dianna Fri, Aug 14, 2009 12:08:52pm |
re: #308 Cato the Elder
“Joe’s” qualifications put him in the category of semi-skilled labor.
*sigh*
The man got stuck with a sobriquet, and you - oh, so precise and intellectually honest arbiter of all that is good and righteous - have decided to declare him the dishonest party?
Cato the Elder, this is not a good thing.
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Ward Cleaver Fri, Aug 14, 2009 12:08:52pm |
In other news from here in Texas, Squeaky Fromme was released today from the Federal women’s prison hospital unit at NAS Carswell Joint Reserve Base (formerly Carswell AFB) in Fort Worth:
Manson follower Lynette ‘Squeaky’ Fromme released from Fort Worth prison
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tfc3rid Fri, Aug 14, 2009 12:08:59pm |
re: #333 JustABill
Correct. We have folks here who are engineers but not licensed. They do their work but cannot endorse or stamp plans… Also at my place, if you are unlicensed, you cannot be promoted or received a bonus.
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Mikey_Dallas Fri, Aug 14, 2009 12:09:01pm |
re: #337 J.S.
Another problem, though (from what I’ve read) is that there are 5 different versions of this bill floating around. So, an additional problem is identifying which “bill” one is referring to…(at least that’s what I’ve been reading)…
The version of the bill that is the subject of EVERYONE’S discussion is HR 3200
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Mad Al-Jaffee Fri, Aug 14, 2009 12:09:19pm |
re: #339 albusteve
how do you know how skilled he is?…you don’t…if qualifications were etched in stone BO would be washing cars somewhere
RACIST!!!
///
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Pianobuff Fri, Aug 14, 2009 12:09:22pm |
re: #334 lobo91
And if he had been on a show on TLC or HGTV telling people how to install plumbing, that might have been relevant.
He asked a question about tax policy. He’s a US citizen and a taxpayer.
As far as I’m concerned, those are all the qualifications he needed to ask that question.
Anything else is pure character assassination carried out by the leftwing lapdog media, pure and simple.
One thing that is certainly true of Joe is that he did not travel to a town hall… He was approached by Obama in a true random fashion, as proven by the content of the encounter.
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Cato the Elder Fri, Aug 14, 2009 12:09:44pm |
re: #343 Dianna
*sigh*
The man got stuck with a sobriquet, and you - oh, so precise and intellectually honest arbiter of all that is good and righteous - have decided to declare him the dishonest party?
Cato the Elder, this is not a good thing.
He took it and ran with it. That is not an honest thing.
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Kenneth Fri, Aug 14, 2009 12:09:54pm |
re: #278 MandyManners
If I had a pumpernickle for every pun on LGF, I’d be rolling in the dough.
I love your rye sense of humor.
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Locker Fri, Aug 14, 2009 12:09:58pm |
Oh well… lunch time. I’ll be back to take some more beating on later. Peace all.
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turn Fri, Aug 14, 2009 12:10:02pm |
re: #285 Honorary Yooper
Nothing to do with unions, it is state licensure. As an engineer, I am licensed by the state to perform my work and call myself thus.
Before I got my P.E. I got in a little hot water for putting the title “Engineer” on my business card here in CA.
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Mikey_Dallas Fri, Aug 14, 2009 12:10:05pm |
This is a link to the text - all 1018 pages
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gonecamping Fri, Aug 14, 2009 12:10:09pm |
Glacier Hops will combat global warming
re: #332 turn
You guys really hops around with your pun subjects.
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KenJen Fri, Aug 14, 2009 12:10:11pm |
It doesn’t matter. He’s a war correspondent now.
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kansas Fri, Aug 14, 2009 12:10:30pm |
re: #346 Mikey_Dallas
The version of the bill that is the subject of EVERYONE’S discussion is HR 3200
McCaskill was speaking with someone quoting HR3200, but said what they said wasn’t in the bill. She was referring to a Senate version she had, so in essence was not lying.
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Shug Fri, Aug 14, 2009 12:10:50pm |
re: #343 Dianna
*sigh*
The man got stuck with a sobriquet, and you - oh, so precise and intellectually honest arbiter of all that is good and righteous - have decided to declare him the dishonest party?
Cato the Elder, this is not a good thing.
Hey, he went to the Pro Bowl last year as an armchair QB
| 358 |
Sharmuta Fri, Aug 14, 2009 12:10:55pm |
Reformers call for probe of Iran supreme leader
A group of former reformist lawmakers appealed to a powerful clerical body in Iran to investigate Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei’s qualification to rule in an unprecedented challenge to the country’s most powerful man over the postelection crackdown.
The call came as controversy heated up Friday over allegations that protesters detained the crackdown were tortured. Hard-line clerics across the country demanded that a senior reform leader be prosecuted for claiming that some detainees were raped by their jailers.
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Dianna Fri, Aug 14, 2009 12:11:27pm |
re: #327 debutaunt
It exposed Obama as a ‘wealth-spreader’, which is good.
Not really. It got ignored, because people were too busy doing exactly what Cato the Elder is doing, and pretending his politician- and press-bestowed nick-name is the issue.
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Mikey_Dallas Fri, Aug 14, 2009 12:11:32pm |
re: #356 kansas
McCaskill was speaking with someone quoting HR3200, but said what they said wasn’t in the bill. She was referring to a Senate version she had, so in essence was not lying.
There is no written Senate bill available outside of secret committee meetings. She did not know what she was talking about. There is no Senate bill available for mere humans to review.
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medaura18586 Fri, Aug 14, 2009 12:11:52pm |
re: #222 Pianobuff
I think some have which is why Obama keeps going out of way to talk about it as “that ridiculous notion”. Those that are speaking are being drowned out by the media cry of “it’s a lie”!
They do on a grassroots level, and I found out that excerpt from re: #307 Kosh’s Shadow
Everything in his analysis is correct. But he neglects to mention (or probably skipped reading entirely) the provision that private insurers cannot get any new enrollment. That’s the final blow. You can keep your plan for now — by that I mean the very current immediate plan you have arranged for with your employer. If you switch employer the dat after the bill’s passage, you may not move on to a different private plan, because no private ensurer can accept new enrollment.
So even if private insurers could survive the ridiculous hurdles imposed on them by this bill — the restrictions on premiums increases, limitations on changes of coverage conditions, and rebates funded back to clients from their premiums (destroying the very heart of what insurance is supposed to be about — i.e. spreading risk) — they simply are not allowed to take on new clients! That’s a simple fatal blow, which for some reason 3wood did not address.
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Sharmuta Fri, Aug 14, 2009 12:12:02pm |
re: #295 albusteve
but they didn’t…so find a solution to the problem…what should be or could be is not the issue…demonizing the yellers accomplishes nothing
Those who can’t control themselves should be removed from the meeting. How’s that for a solution?
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Cato the Elder Fri, Aug 14, 2009 12:12:08pm |
re: #319 Dianna
No, sir. You miss the point.
When I call a licensed plumbing contractor, the person who shows up is usually an employee, who probably is not licensed. Said employee does the plumbing work. If I am not happy with the work done by that employee, and I complain, the complaint goes against the contractor’s license.
This is why bad employees do not last long in many of the trades.
You, clearly, are not the employee of a licensed contractor, or you would know what you’re talking about a bit better.
Yes, ma’am.
I, for one, ask for workers who are licensed, not just trained any which way in a slipshod on-the-job you-don’t-have-to-know-how-to-calculate-water-pressure kinda sorta way.
And I prefer union members.
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turn Fri, Aug 14, 2009 12:12:16pm |
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tfc3rid Fri, Aug 14, 2009 12:12:54pm |
re: #352 turn
Before I got my P.E. I got in a little hot water for putting the title “Engineer” on my business card here in CA.
Before we get our license at my place, we are Assistant Engineers.
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Buster Fri, Aug 14, 2009 12:12:56pm |
re: #3 Dianna
I was taken aback by how blatant this was, and how easily debunked by the blogs.
The media just took her at her word.
The MSM is totally incurious if what they see/hear fits their template
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Mikey_Dallas Fri, Aug 14, 2009 12:13:18pm |
re: #360 Mikey_Dallas
There is no written Senate bill available outside of secret committee meetings. She did not know what she was talking about. There is no Senate bill available for mere humans to review.
HR 3200 is the ONLY bill that could have been passed before the August recess. All this talk of “which bill are you talking about” is diversionary. That’s all. Just to keep off the real subject.
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Mad Al-Jaffee Fri, Aug 14, 2009 12:14:08pm |
re: #364 turn
You trying to brandy me as just a pun loving guy mad?
No, but you’re always one to take a shot at puns. And you know how to shake and stir things up around here.
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midwestgak Fri, Aug 14, 2009 12:14:17pm |
Cubbies now 11 to 0 over Pittsburgh. Still no outs. Men on first and second.
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turn Fri, Aug 14, 2009 12:14:41pm |
re: #315 MandyManners
Not one freakin’ ding for my pumpernickel post.
Harumph.
*flouce*
Naw, it was toast from the start. It didn’t get a rise out of me because I kneaded to read it like three times.
| 372 |
Spartacus50 Fri, Aug 14, 2009 12:14:44pm |
Just one more reason I don’t believe when people claim to have rcvd “death threats”
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Dianna Fri, Aug 14, 2009 12:14:55pm |
re: #349 Cato the Elder
He took it and ran with it. That is not an honest thing.
Oh, for the love of all beneficent entities!
He did no such thing. He explained himself a dozen times, but no one cared. It was too much fun to rip his life up.
He took what advantage he could of a situation he didn’t control - and I would love to know why you think that is a bad thing? - to get out of debt and put some money aside. He’s shown (or so I am told) that he has some bigoted attitudes, and has subsided into obscurity.
None of this is dishonest. It may not be to your taste, or mine, but it is not dishonest.
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Cato the Elder Fri, Aug 14, 2009 12:15:05pm |
re: #365 buzzsawmonkey
It takes great strength of character to discard sudden fame when one lives in a fame-worshipping culture.
True dat.
I’d rather be dead than “famous”.
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HoosierHoops Fri, Aug 14, 2009 12:15:14pm |
re: #370 midwestgak
Cubbies now 11 to 0 over Pittsburgh. Still no outs. Men on first and second.
Oh No! It’s the end of the world!
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Pianobuff Fri, Aug 14, 2009 12:15:18pm |
re: #361 medaura18586
Everything in his analysis is correct. But he neglects to mention (or probably skipped reading entirely) the provision that private insurers cannot get any new enrollment. That’s the final blow. You can keep your plan for now — by that I mean the very current immediate plan you have arranged for with your employer. If you switch employer the dat after the bill’s passage, you may not move on to a different private plan, because no private ensurer can accept new enrollment.
So even if private insurers could survive the ridiculous hurdles imposed on them by this bill — the restrictions on premiums increases, limitations on changes of coverage conditions, and rebates funded back to clients from their premiums (destroying the very heart of what insurance is supposed to be about — i.e. spreading risk) — they simply are not allowed to take on new clients! That’s a simple fatal blow, which for some reason 3wood did not address.
There is no doubt in my mind that private insurance policies will be “sunsetted”. How long that will take I don’t know. However, I do know that companies have a hard time being profitable when they are sunk in legacy costs, so it’s completely reasonable to predict that for cost reasons private insurers would retire non-compliant programs ASAP in favor of whatever the government comes up with (which is still not clear to me).
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J.S. Fri, Aug 14, 2009 12:15:36pm |
re: #346 Mikey_Dallas
I keep reading (from CNN) that there are 5 differing versions of this “bill” (which also, according to some, is not yet “a bill” — it’s in committees (?), I’m assuming, under review and subject to alterations…)
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Dianna Fri, Aug 14, 2009 12:15:59pm |
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turn Fri, Aug 14, 2009 12:16:02pm |
re: #316 pre-Boomer Marine brat
The arrogance is getting VERY deep in here.
I’ll be back later./*biting my tongue, stalking from the room*
PBMB turn was going to say the same thing. Sheesh some people are obsessed.
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albusteve Fri, Aug 14, 2009 12:16:03pm |
re: #362 Sharmuta
Those who can’t control themselves should be removed from the meeting. How’s that for a solution?
I posted a link this morning where that happened…a fair solution imo…I don’t just roll over for these people but I understand their frustration to be heard…the town halls are a donk disaster and they have taken advantage of it…so be it…I’m into solutions…they are the least of the PR problems the GOP faces
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LGoPs Fri, Aug 14, 2009 12:16:14pm |
re: #3 Dianna
I was taken aback by how blatant this was, and how easily debunked by the blogs.
The media just took her at her word.
The media took Obama at his word…all last year!
/ Sheesh.
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JustABill Fri, Aug 14, 2009 12:16:40pm |
re: #345 tfc3rid
Correct. We have folks here who are engineers but not licensed. They do their work but cannot endorse or stamp plans… Also at my place, if you are unlicensed, you cannot be promoted or received a bonus.
Is your place mostly Architecture. From the little bit I have seen, most licensed engineers tend to work in the design and construction of buildings. My dad worked with equipment in support of oil/nat gas production and distribution.
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Dianna Fri, Aug 14, 2009 12:16:56pm |
re: #363 Cato the Elder
Yes, ma’am.
I, for one, ask for workers who are licensed, not just trained any which way in a slipshod on-the-job you-don’t-have-to-know-how-to-calculate-water-pres sure kinda sorta way.
And I prefer union members.
I want to watch that. Really, I do.
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midwestgak Fri, Aug 14, 2009 12:16:57pm |
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Mad Al-Jaffee Fri, Aug 14, 2009 12:16:57pm |
re: #372 Spartacus50
Just one more reason I don’t believe when people claim to have rcvd “death threats”
That reminds me of Blazing Saddles.
“Where the white women at?”
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lobo91 Fri, Aug 14, 2009 12:17:22pm |
re: #373 Dianna
Oh, for the love of all beneficent entities!
He did no such thing. He explained himself a dozen times, but no one cared. It was too much fun to rip his life up.
He took what advantage he could of a situation he didn’t control - and I would love to know why you think that is a bad thing? - to get out of debt and put some money aside. He’s shown (or so I am told) that he has some bigoted attitudes, and has subsided into obscurity.
None of this is dishonest. It may not be to your taste, or mine, but it is not dishonest.
And again, none of it has even the slightest thing to do with the validity of the question he asked Obama, or the answer he received.
The question would have been just as valid if Charles Manson had asked it.
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MandyManners Fri, Aug 14, 2009 12:17:25pm |
re: #311 Cato the Elder
Here’s another difference between the two situations.
Joe didn’t seek out a staged event. Also, he didn’t hold forth to be an expert on the same level as this liar.
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tfc3rid Fri, Aug 14, 2009 12:17:30pm |
re: #383 JustABill
Is your place mostly Architecture. From the little bit I have seen, most licensed engineers tend to work in the design and construction of buildings. My dad worked with equipment in support of oil/nat gas production and distribution.
Nah, we are Environmental Engineering.
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Cato the Elder Fri, Aug 14, 2009 12:17:50pm |
re: #373 Dianna
Oh, for the love of all beneficent entities!
He did no such thing. He explained himself a dozen times, but no one cared. It was too much fun to rip his life up.
He took what advantage he could of a situation he didn’t control - and I would love to know why you think that is a bad thing? - to get out of debt and put some money aside. He’s shown (or so I am told) that he has some bigoted attitudes, and has subsided into obscurity.
None of this is dishonest. It may not be to your taste, or mine, but it is not dishonest.
We have different standards in a lot of things. Is that a surprise, or a bad thing?
| 393 |
Charpete67 Fri, Aug 14, 2009 12:17:51pm |
Just to wrap up the Joe the Plumber license…I just want to confess that I am in fact an un-licensed sales person. You may see me on TV claim to be one, but I’m not. In fact, my business card does not even mention that I am in sales, but I still claim to be one.
I would also like to know where I sign up to have the privilege to be licensed as a US Taxpayer worthy enough to be heard by my elected representative.
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turn Fri, Aug 14, 2009 12:18:07pm |
re: #322 Mad Al-Jaffee
I can’t think of a good schnappy reply.
Ah you could cream him punning him any time, when it comes to the number of puns you own da mint mad.
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Kosh's Shadow Fri, Aug 14, 2009 12:18:37pm |
re: #361 medaura18586
Everything in his analysis is correct. But he neglects to mention (or probably skipped reading entirely) the provision that private insurers cannot get any new enrollment. That’s the final blow. You can keep your plan for now — by that I mean the very current immediate plan you have arranged for with your employer. If you switch employer the dat after the bill’s passage, you may not move on to a different private plan, because no private ensurer can accept new enrollment.
So even if private insurers could survive the ridiculous hurdles imposed on them by this bill — the restrictions on premiums increases, limitations on changes of coverage conditions, and rebates funded back to clients from their premiums (destroying the very heart of what insurance is supposed to be about — i.e. spreading risk) — they simply are not allowed to take on new clients! That’s a simple fatal blow, which for some reason 3wood did not address.
I believe 3wood thinks that you can get another private plan, but it would have to be through one of the exchanges and meet the government’s requirements. However, that is going to drastically reduce your choices. It would be like if the government designed the cars, so all you were able to buy was a Chevy Nova, a Ford Nova, or a Chrysler Nova. They had similar prices but came in different colors, and you had to take them to different dealers for repair.
| 396 |
CyanSnowHawk Fri, Aug 14, 2009 12:18:42pm |
re: #242 Cato the Elder
I wouldn’t have him touch a sink drain of mine. Would you?
Yes I would. If I called Newell plumbing and they sent out Joe to fix my pipes I would have no reason to suspect that he was unqualified.
Do you check the business license of every single retail shop you buy from?
Do you run background checks on every single employee of a contractor that you might use for a home improvement project? Or just check that the company itself is run by a licensed contractor and assume that the licensed contractor will do things correctly regarding his employees?
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JustABill Fri, Aug 14, 2009 12:18:44pm |
re: #372 Spartacus50
Just one more reason I don’t believe when people claim to have rcvd “death threats”
I think I saw that in a movie or on TV once…
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Perplexed Fri, Aug 14, 2009 12:19:04pm |
re: #4 Shug
Obamacare
Wait time to see a real doctor—-6 weeks
but the fake doctor can see you are 1:40 today !
I’m not a doctor, but I did stay at a Holiday Inn Express.
| 399 |
Dianna Fri, Aug 14, 2009 12:19:10pm |
re: #336 lostlakehiker
Sheila Jackson-Lee said, days after meeting “doctor” Roxana Mayer and giving the hug, that she had never met her. That’s the mendacity. The giving of the hug may possibly not have been staged. That SJL was informed ahead of time of what RxM would say, and a scripted response decided on, is doubtful, and I make no such charge.
Oh, I see. Sorry - I misinterpreted that.
| 400 |
medaura18586 Fri, Aug 14, 2009 12:19:13pm |
re: #361 medaura18586
ah that comment when to shit.
I meant to separately respond to Pianobuff:
re: #222 Pianobuff
I think some have which is why Obama keeps going out of way to talk about it as “that ridiculous notion”. Those that are speaking are being drowned out by the media cry of “it’s a lie”!
They do on a grassroots level, and I found out that relevant excerpt from the bill posted at Betsy McCaughey’s twitter account. [Link: twitter.com…]
She taught me the most about Obama’s health care proposal using simple facts, statistics, quotes, and case studies, without delving into hysterics.
But she’s not as vocal as Sarah Palin, whose asinine statements enjoy Steele’s and Gingrich’s support.
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gregb Fri, Aug 14, 2009 12:19:14pm |
Breakin’ the story. :-)!
Now that facial recognition is so widespread, I wonder how many other fake stories are floating around out there just waiting to be “forensicked”.
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Cato the Elder Fri, Aug 14, 2009 12:19:58pm |
Oh, hell.
All hail Joe the Plumber, the noble exemplar of everything that is good and decent about America.
[picking up brain checked at door]
Later!
| 404 |
itellu3times Fri, Aug 14, 2009 12:20:08pm |
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doppelganglander Fri, Aug 14, 2009 12:20:15pm |
re: #396 CyanSnowHawk
Yes I would. If I called Newell plumbing and they sent out Joe to fix my pipes I would have no reason to suspect that he was unqualified.
Do you check the business license of every single retail shop you buy from?
Do you run background checks on every single employee of a contractor that you might use for a home improvement project? Or just check that the company itself is run by a licensed contractor and assume that the licensed contractor will do things correctly regarding his employees?
Exactly. When I needed some work done on my gutters and fascia, I checked that the company was licensed and insured. I did not hire a PI to check out the guys that actually came to my house.
| 406 |
Charpete67 Fri, Aug 14, 2009 12:20:22pm |
re: #403 Cato the Elder
Oh, hell.
All hail Joe the Plumber, the noble exemplar of everything that is good and decent about America.
[picking up brain checked at door]
Later!
…so, we won?…///
| 407 |
Shug Fri, Aug 14, 2009 12:20:26pm |
re: #370 midwestgak
Cubbies now 11 to 0 over Pittsburgh. Still no outs. Men on first and second.
oh noes, Bartman just took his seat
| 408 |
Dianna Fri, Aug 14, 2009 12:20:31pm |
re: #396 CyanSnowHawk
Cato the Elder claims he insists on licensed employees.
I want to watch him do this when the water heater bursts. I really do.
| 409 |
kansas Fri, Aug 14, 2009 12:20:54pm |
re: #372 Spartacus50
Just one more reason I don’t believe when people claim to have rcvd “death threats”
But that’s on Fox. Sorry. Not credible./
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MandyManners Fri, Aug 14, 2009 12:20:57pm |
re: #343 Dianna
*sigh*
The man got stuck with a sobriquet, and you - oh, so precise and intellectually honest arbiter of all that is good and righteous - have decided to declare him the dishonest party?
Cato the Elder, this is not a good thing.
Are you hoisting by petards today?
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turn Fri, Aug 14, 2009 12:21:10pm |
re: #354 gonecamping
Glacier Hops will combat global warming
Glacier, ooo those are cold. It’s like bur when you get bon them.
| 413 |
Dianna Fri, Aug 14, 2009 12:21:45pm |
re: #392 Cato the Elder
We have different standards in a lot of things. Is that a surprise, or a bad thing?
No, we don’t.
I just don’t ditch my standards the instant I can denigrate someone else.
| 414 |
albusteve Fri, Aug 14, 2009 12:21:46pm |
re: #392 Cato the Elder
We have different standards in a lot of things. Is that a surprise, or a bad thing?
you don’t calculate water pressure…you use a simple meter or assume it’s close to 60psi from the street…you don’t need to be a union plumber to fix a leak…why don’t you just learn to do it yourself?
| 415 |
Mikey_Dallas Fri, Aug 14, 2009 12:21:47pm |
Obama should invite Monty Hall to his next meeting with Pharma
Then he could hold a Monty Town Hall (I’ll take what’s behind the curtain)
| 416 |
Guanxi88 Fri, Aug 14, 2009 12:21:50pm |
re: #402 Killgore Trout
Ya know, I don’t hold out a lot of hope for anything constructive, truthful, or even remotely redeeming from any “town hall meeting,” evoking as it does the shop-worn symbolism of Norman Rockwell & The Saturday Evening Post and the whole earnest citizen participating and directing his/her future motif. That whole democratic kitsch they try and ram down our throats every time they assemble the adoring masses for a round of leader-adulation. Now, it’s just tiresome.
| 417 |
Buster Fri, Aug 14, 2009 12:21:50pm |
re: #297 Cato the Elder
If I fix a toilet, I’m a plumber.
If I paint a door, I’m a painter.
If I reboot your computer, I’m an IT guy.
If I hum in the shower, I’m a singer.
Just don’t pay me to do any of those things, unless you’re an idiot.
…Or you have been recommended by someone I trust. I have less faith in a piece of paper from a Government bureaucracy than from the experiences of previous customers.
| 419 |
Dianna Fri, Aug 14, 2009 12:22:28pm |
re: #410 MandyManners
Are you hoisting by petards today?
Only if they belong to the person under whose bed of self-righteousness I am setting the petard.
| 420 |
kansas Fri, Aug 14, 2009 12:22:33pm |
I wonder if Obama will repeat the same mind numbing bullshit over and over?
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midwestgak Fri, Aug 14, 2009 12:22:35pm |
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Killgore Trout Fri, Aug 14, 2009 12:22:55pm |
re: #416 Guanxi88
I’m still curious what’s in this bill and how it’s going to work.
| 423 |
Creeping Eruption Fri, Aug 14, 2009 12:22:59pm |
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Mikey_Dallas Fri, Aug 14, 2009 12:23:25pm |
re: #420 kansas
I wonder if Obama will repeat the same mind numbing bullshit over and over?
c’mon. Are you REALLY wondering
| 426 |
Kenneth Fri, Aug 14, 2009 12:23:56pm |
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SFGoth Fri, Aug 14, 2009 12:23:58pm |
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kansas Fri, Aug 14, 2009 12:24:00pm |
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Pianobuff Fri, Aug 14, 2009 12:24:00pm |
Review of the Townhall so far: Obama - Navy blue blazer with a powder blue oxford-collar shirt. Top button unbuttoned. I’d guess it’s a 50% cotton-blend of some type. American flag pin on the left lapel of the blazer.
He’s telling anecdotal weepy stories.
Says it’s personal for him.
He keeps looking from right to left. I can’t figure out why.
Two ladies behind him with what look to be similar buttons. Can’t tell what they say though.
I think he just got his hair cut.
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turn Fri, Aug 14, 2009 12:24:03pm |
re: #366 tfc3rid
Before we get our license at my place, we are Assistant Engineers.
Yep, had to do something like that in the mean time. I took one of my design drawings to another engineering firm because I needed to get it stamped. Big mistake.
| 431 |
CyanSnowHawk Fri, Aug 14, 2009 12:24:28pm |
re: #299 Charpete67
…if you worked for a plumbing company and you fixed pipes…what would you be?…
Too busy to comment here during the day.
| 432 |
Mad Al-Jaffee Fri, Aug 14, 2009 12:24:29pm |
It’s almost quitting time for me. Have a great weekend everyone!
| 433 |
lobo91 Fri, Aug 14, 2009 12:24:31pm |
re: #420 kansas
I wonder if Obama will repeat the same mind numbing bullshit over and over?
Do you have some reason to believe that he’s been abducted by aliens overnight and replaced by a double?
Otherwise, I’ll have to assume that was a rhetorical question.
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Cato the Elder Fri, Aug 14, 2009 12:24:32pm |
re: #413 Dianna
No, we don’t.
I just don’t ditch my standards the instant I can denigrate someone else.
Dianna:
Your arrogance is matched only by my pomposity.
I believe we cancel each other out.
Mutual scrollover?
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Mikey_Dallas Fri, Aug 14, 2009 12:24:39pm |
re: #422 Killgore Trout
I’m still curious what’s in this bill and how it’s going to work.
See my link around 353 to the text of the bill
But it doesn’t work
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itellu3times Fri, Aug 14, 2009 12:24:43pm |
re: #416 Guanxi88
Ya know, I don’t hold out a lot of hope for anything constructive, truthful, or even remotely redeeming from any “town hall meeting,” evoking as it does the shop-worn symbolism of Norman Rockwell & The Saturday Evening Post and the whole earnest citizen participating and directing his/her future motif. That whole democratic kitsch they try and ram down our throats every time they assemble the adoring masses for a round of leader-adulation. Now, it’s just tiresome.
Was it ever all that different?
Plato was skeptical about democratic processes 2,500 years ago.
It’s a sausage being made kind of thing.
What I really hate is when some news show sends an anchor to go talk to a citizen panel. There’s a time and a place for sausage, and that ain’t it.
| 437 |
Guanxi88 Fri, Aug 14, 2009 12:24:45pm |
re: #422 Killgore Trout
To answer in order asked:
1) Nothing good, helpful, or useful
2) Terribly.
| 438 |
kansas Fri, Aug 14, 2009 12:25:09pm |
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medaura18586 Fri, Aug 14, 2009 12:25:16pm |
re: #395 Kosh’s Shadow
I believe 3wood thinks that you can get another private plan, but it would have to be through one of the exchanges and meet the government’s requirements. However, that is going to drastically reduce your choices. It would be like if the government designed the cars, so all you were able to buy was a Chevy Nova, a Ford Nova, or a Chrysler Nova. They had similar prices but came in different colors, and you had to take them to different dealers for repair.
I’d love to discuss that interpretation directly with him. As of now, nothing I read and nothing he provided in terms of commentary shakes off my firm belief that private insurance will be effectively killed, very soon after this bill’s passage. And I find the thought revolting and infuriating,
| 440 |
SFGoth Fri, Aug 14, 2009 12:25:19pm |
Maybe if our Congressors actually read these bills they wouldn’t need to hold town halls to find out what’s in them.
| 441 |
Mikey_Dallas Fri, Aug 14, 2009 12:25:41pm |
re: #435 Mikey_Dallas
See my link around 353 to the text of the bill
But it doesn’t work
The bill doesn’t work. The link does
| 442 |
Shug Fri, Aug 14, 2009 12:25:44pm |
Obama changing Montana brom Big Sky country to Big Lie country
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turn Fri, Aug 14, 2009 12:25:45pm |
re: #369 Mad Al-Jaffee
No, but you’re always one to take a shot at puns. And you know how to shake and stir things up around here.
Don’t twist things around mad, everyone here knows you’re the best. We olive your puns.
| 444 |
BlueCanuck Fri, Aug 14, 2009 12:25:53pm |
re: #403 Cato the Elder
Oh, hell.
All hail Joe the Plumber, the noble exemplar of everything that is good and decent about America.
[picking up brain checked at door]
Later!
See you next time. Don’t forget your axe though. You are splitting some awfully big hares.
| 445 |
albusteve Fri, Aug 14, 2009 12:26:13pm |
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JustABill Fri, Aug 14, 2009 12:26:14pm |
re: #433 lobo91
Do you have some reason to believe that he’s been abducted by aliens overnight and replaced by a double?
Otherwise, I’ll have to assume that was a rhetorical question.
The teleprompter could have been altered…
| 447 |
Mad Al-Jaffee Fri, Aug 14, 2009 12:26:15pm |
re: #443 turn
Don’t twist things around mad, everyone here knows you’re the best. We olive your puns.
You’re shiraz hell right about that!
| 448 |
medaura18586 Fri, Aug 14, 2009 12:26:27pm |
| 449 |
Creeping Eruption Fri, Aug 14, 2009 12:26:38pm |
re: #443 turn
Don’t twist things around mad, everyone here knows you’re the best. We olive your puns.
Play nice folks, nothing Dirty.
| 450 |
BlueCanuck Fri, Aug 14, 2009 12:27:05pm |
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Pianobuff Fri, Aug 14, 2009 12:27:51pm |
Now he’s saying “we can’t afford to do nothing”.
False argument, false argument.
| 453 |
lobo91 Fri, Aug 14, 2009 12:28:16pm |
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kansas Fri, Aug 14, 2009 12:28:23pm |
re: #452 Pianobuff
Now he’s saying “we can’t afford to do nothing”.
False argument, false argument.
We can’t afford him.
| 455 |
doppelganglander Fri, Aug 14, 2009 12:28:26pm |
re: #429 Pianobuff
If he’s pulled out the flag pin, he means business.
| 456 |
J.S. Fri, Aug 14, 2009 12:28:36pm |
re: #387 Mikey_Dallas
From what I’ve read (and, I believe it was yesterday, that “there are five differing versions” business was repeated on CNN) that there are 5 differing versions, and they won’t be reconciled until after the August recess…
CNN transcript from July 29, 2009:
We begin now on Capitol Hill where the standoff pitting Democrat against Democrat may be over. The issue is health care. The Dems in question are Blue Dog conservatives who defied party leaders and held up committee work on a reform bill that the White House wanted passed this week. They now say they will let the Energy and Commerce Committee move the bill to a vote, though the full House won’t take it up until after the August recess. Here is Arkansas Blue Dog Mike Ross.(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
REP. MIKE ROSS (D), ARKANSAS: There are some people that are never going to be for health care reform, and they like the role we were playing, because it was stopping health care reform. Although I think I made it very clear from the beginning that we were never about stopping health care reform. We wanted to play a constructive role in the legislative process.
Having said that, those that don’t want to do health care reform, they will use the rhetoric and say we have caved. I think I just announced that we got significant concessions in two weeks of very long talks that lasted day and night and allows us to move this bill toward reconciling five different bills. Hopefully, at the end of the day, we will have a bill that provides health care that’s affordable and accessible for the American people while holding down costs.
| 457 |
itellu3times Fri, Aug 14, 2009 12:28:40pm |
re: #422 Killgore Trout
I’m still curious what’s in this bill and how it’s going to work.
Disqualifies you for public office.
| 458 |
beens21 Fri, Aug 14, 2009 12:28:42pm |
re: #57 medaura18586
People may have already brought this up here, and if so, never mind. But remember Obama’s claim that “if you like your insurance package you can keep it”? Well the truth of that statement is skin deep. Page #16 of the bill:
So this bill would be the last gasp of air for private insurance. They cannot increase enrollment. If you switch jobs, and your health insurance was provided via your employer, as it is for most employed Americans, you will lose the option to remain with a private insurer and cannot adopt one at your new job. Also, if you’re just coming of age and are getting your first job after the bill’s passage, you must get into the public option. As people die (the current enrollees of private health insurance), no new generations will be allowed to enroll in private care.So how is the public option an “option,” really? It’s the only option. Private care is essentially rendered illegal, with people being allowed to temporarily keep their current plan, so as to make the transition less painful.
Call on the clue phone for Sarah Palin: Why don’t you focus on this fat elephant in the room rather than babbling away about “death commissions”?
I have not read the whole bill, but can you answer this: if the employer plan changes its terms immediately so that it provides the “essential benefits”of a QBHP, can the employer add new enrollees?
| 459 |
Mikey_Dallas Fri, Aug 14, 2009 12:28:52pm |
re: #452 Pianobuff
Now he’s saying “we can’t afford to do nothing”.
False argument, false argument.
DOUBLE NEGATIVE ALERT - this means “we can afford to do anything”
| 460 |
albusteve Fri, Aug 14, 2009 12:28:59pm |
Killgore…
the bill is put up by BO and his minions…
therefore the bill is doomed to fail…
what’s in it does not even matter…
kill the bill and start over with some reform
pretty simple
| 461 |
lobo91 Fri, Aug 14, 2009 12:29:21pm |
re: #455 doppelganglander
If he’s pulled out the flag pin, he means business.
Mostly, I think it just means he’s at an apperance in a red state.
| 463 |
Charpete67 Fri, Aug 14, 2009 12:29:26pm |
re: #420 kansas
I wonder if Obama will repeat the same mind numbing bullshit over and over?
I checked for you…and yes, he will be…
| 465 |
CyanSnowHawk Fri, Aug 14, 2009 12:29:42pm |
re: #422 Killgore Trout
I’m still curious what’s in this bill and how it’s going to work.
I believe that almost all of our representatives are too.
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Dianna Fri, Aug 14, 2009 12:29:57pm |
re: #434 Cato the Elder
Dianna:
Your arrogance is matched only by my pomposity.
I believe we cancel each other out.
Mutual scrollover?
Nope. I’ll read and ding.
You’ll notice, however, that I’ll upding you when I agree with you. I do not expect anything resembling the same courtesy from you.
| 467 |
debutaunt Fri, Aug 14, 2009 12:29:59pm |
re: #458 beens21
I have not read the whole bill, but can you answer this: if the employer plan changes its terms immediately so that it provides the “essential benefits”of a QBHP, can the employer add new enrollees?
Naybe.
| 468 |
Pianobuff Fri, Aug 14, 2009 12:30:12pm |
“This isn’t about politics, this is about helping the American people”
He just took off his jacket for questions. Saying that the questions will be totally random.
Rolling up his sleeves halfway, giving him a rugged yet urbanly styled look.
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yochanan Fri, Aug 14, 2009 12:30:18pm |
* Print
* ShareThis
NEW ORLEANS — An African-American man from Mississippi admits posing as a white supremacist to send a death threat across state lines by Facebook.
The U.S. Attorney’s Office says 20-year-old Dyron L. Hart of Poplarville pleaded guilty Wednesday in federal court to making a threat in November 2008.
Hart admitted creating a name and using a white supremacists’ photo to pose as a white man who planned to kill blacks because Barack Obama had been elected president.
He originally was charged with threatening three black students at Nicholls State — where he had attended one semester — but pleaded guilty Wednesday to one count.
He sent the threats from a computer in Poplarville.
The maximum sentence is five years in prison and a $250,000 fine; sentencing is Nov. 18.
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gonecamping Fri, Aug 14, 2009 12:30:45pm |
If Obama just got a standing ovation at the town hall meeting, what are the odds that the tickets were handed out to union members at town hall.
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kansas Fri, Aug 14, 2009 12:30:54pm |
re: #465 CyanSnowHawk
re: #422 Killgore Trout
I’m still curious what’s in this bill and how it’s going to work.
I believe that almost all of our representatives are too.
Well, except for the curious about what’s in the bill and how it’s going to work.
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Killgore Trout Fri, Aug 14, 2009 12:31:21pm |
re: #460 albusteve
I don’t think that’s an option. We’re going to have to live with whatever they pass.
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formercorpsman Fri, Aug 14, 2009 12:31:24pm |
re: #427 SFGoth
CNN was also the channel that aired the smoker / sniper video of one of our military folks getting taken out.
They hold no water for me.
| 474 |
yochanan Fri, Aug 14, 2009 12:32:11pm |
astroturf docs and now astroturf racists.
is there anything that is real about the green on the donk side of the fence?
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lobo91 Fri, Aug 14, 2009 12:32:23pm |
re: #473 formercorpsman
CNN was also the channel that aired the smoker / sniper video of one of our military folks getting taken out.
They hold no water for me.
Remember the “Operation Tailwind” debacle?
I never watched them again after that.
| 476 |
Charpete67 Fri, Aug 14, 2009 12:32:34pm |
…we are being held hostage by our insurance companies?…can someone call help for me?…I’m afraid to move…
| 477 |
albusteve Fri, Aug 14, 2009 12:32:38pm |
re: #468 Pianobuff
“This isn’t about politics, this is about helping the American people”
He just took off his jacket for questions. Saying that the questions will be totally random.
Rolling up his sleeves halfway, giving him a rugged yet urbanly styled look.
has he spit in his hands and rubbed them together?…”okay folks, come get some!”
| 478 |
Shug Fri, Aug 14, 2009 12:32:51pm |
re: #468 Pianobuff
“This isn’t about politics, this is about helping the American people”
He just took off his jacket for questions. Saying that the questions will be totally random.
Rolling up his sleeves halfway, giving him a rugged yet urbanly styled look.
that’s the democrat uniform. like when you go down to the bar with the sawdust on the floor, and you order your cognac with the regular guys. They would think you are full of shit, but then they see the sleeves.
or when ordering your Philly Cheesesteak with provolone, make sure the sleeves are rolled up.
otherwise, you’re forced to order cheese whiz like the peons
| 479 |
kansas Fri, Aug 14, 2009 12:32:55pm |
re: #474 yochanan
astroturf docs and now astroturf racists.
is there anything that is real about the green on the donk side of the fence?
That standing O the One just got. Now that was real don’t you know?
| 480 |
sattv4u2 Fri, Aug 14, 2009 12:33:05pm |
re: #472 Killgore Trout
I don’t think that’s an option. We’re going to have to live with whatever they pass.
Then it’s better to protest and expose the things in it “we” don’t want than wait till after it’s enacted, no?
| 481 |
Ben Hur Fri, Aug 14, 2009 12:33:09pm |
Mmmm…
Flag pin.
Montana.
What’s the connection?
| 482 |
Pianobuff Fri, Aug 14, 2009 12:33:18pm |
There is a woman in the front row who keeps self-consciously adjusting her clothing. I think she has realized that wearing a mini-skirt while sitting in a narrow stiff chair may give America free “panty-shots”.
| 483 |
itellu3times Fri, Aug 14, 2009 12:33:29pm |
“uniquely american system”
I - like it!
But, is this bill, it?
| 484 |
albusteve Fri, Aug 14, 2009 12:33:37pm |
re: #472 Killgore Trout
I don’t think that’s an option. We’re going to have to live with whatever they pass.
wrong…you consistantly underestimate the American spirit
| 485 |
turn Fri, Aug 14, 2009 12:33:44pm |
re: #447 Mad Al-Jaffee
You’re shiraz hell right about that!
pssst, I think red has a crush on ya. I’ve seen her blush when you post, it’s zin the way you joke with her. You ought to call her m say erlot some time.
| 486 |
lobo91 Fri, Aug 14, 2009 12:34:01pm |
re: #472 Killgore Trout
I don’t think that’s an option. We’re going to have to live with whatever they pass.
And they’re going to have to live with the results next November.
| 487 |
kansas Fri, Aug 14, 2009 12:34:02pm |
Any lies about 50grand foot amputations or unnecessary tonsillectomies?
| 488 |
Mikey_Dallas Fri, Aug 14, 2009 12:34:40pm |
re: #456 J.S.
From what I’ve read (and, I believe it was yesterday, that “there are five differing versions” business was repeated on CNN) that there are 5 differing versions, and they won’t be reconciled until after the August recess…
CNN transcript from July 29, 2009:
Oh, well if CNN says so …
Whatever deals were made or not made, there is only one bill that is written. It is HR3200. It has not been modified since Congress took their break. It does not contain any revisions based on any deal with the Blue Dogs. The deal with the Blue Dogs is not, by anyone’s word, binding on anything. It is the bill Pelosi is pushing. It is the bill Waxman is pushing and the bill Stoyer is pushing. By not disagreeing with it, it is the bill Obama is pushing.
| 489 |
Charpete67 Fri, Aug 14, 2009 12:34:44pm |
re: #487 kansas
Any lies about 50grand foot amputations or unnecessary tonsillectomies?
I was gonna have my foot cut off until I heard how expensive it was…//
| 490 |
dhimmishelter Fri, Aug 14, 2009 12:35:03pm |
Thanks to Charles for posting this, and kudos for capturing the Che worshiper working for the messiah’s campaign several months ago (I do remember that post).
So an obvious plant claims she has been a pediatrician for four years and strongly supports the Obama health care takeover in the most rhapsodic way imaginable. It took how many seconds for Patterico and Charles to figure this out? After the Dan Rather forgery, don’t these nitwits know that they will be found out when they attempt these amateurish, hamfisted attempts at deception?
Of course, since the MSM does not really cover this at all, I guess they can continue to do it in the future without any consequences.
As Jon Lovitz would say…yeah, I’m a doctor, yeah that’s it…that’s the ticket…yeah, in fact a pediatrician,,,yeah…that’ s the ticket…
The pathological liar. This would make a great SNL skit.
| 491 |
Pianobuff Fri, Aug 14, 2009 12:35:12pm |
Another woman has a very cool Chinese fan, but the temperature must be comfortable as it lies restive on her lap.
| 492 |
itellu3times Fri, Aug 14, 2009 12:35:24pm |
Obama should not be out there wonking it up, he should delegate that.
This is a big political mistake for him.
| 493 |
turn Fri, Aug 14, 2009 12:35:59pm |
re: #449 Creeping Eruption
Play nice folks, nothing Dirty.
Oh a dirty martini! I almost didn’t get that CE, being the beer guy I am. I was shaken there for a bit, but the memory finally got stirred up.
| 494 |
Charpete67 Fri, Aug 14, 2009 12:35:59pm |
re: #489 Charpete67
I was gonna have my foot cut off until I heard how expensive it was…//
I think the doctor was trying to make money off me…my foot works pretty good…
| 495 |
Cato the Elder Fri, Aug 14, 2009 12:36:06pm |
re: #466 Dianna
Nope. I’ll read and ding.
You’ll notice, however, that I’ll upding you when I agree with you. I do not expect anything resembling the same courtesy from you.
I haven’t dinged you either way on this thread - until now - and if you actually have enough time (not to say lack of anything better to do) to pay attention to who dings what, you’ll notice that I never ding down for personal insults - just the opposite, in fact. What you think of me is none of my damn business, but I encourage you to think it.
I’ll leave you guessing what I think of you, because that’s none of your damn business.
| 496 |
Mikey_Dallas Fri, Aug 14, 2009 12:36:10pm |
re: #469 yochanan
* ShareThisNEW ORLEANS — An African-American man from Mississippi admits posing as a white supremacist to send a death threat across state lines by Facebook.
The U.S. Attorney’s Office says 20-year-old Dyron L. Hart of Poplarville pleaded guilty Wednesday in federal court to making a threat in November 2008.
Hart admitted creating a name and using a white supremacists’ photo to pose as a white man who planned to kill blacks because Barack Obama had been elected president.
He originally was charged with threatening three black students at Nicholls State — where he had attended one semester — but pleaded guilty Wednesday to one count.
He sent the threats from a computer in Poplarville.
The maximum sentence is five years in prison and a $250,000 fine; sentencing is Nov. 18.
NOT going to make him very poplar in Poplarville
| 497 |
formercorpsman Fri, Aug 14, 2009 12:36:10pm |
re: #475 lobo91
I understand we have numerous networks with political leanings.
I have no tolerance whatsoever, none at all, if you feel the need to show one of our troops taking a sniper bullet, and writhing in pain while dying, claiming you are just presenting current events. If you were the parent of that kid, how would it appear?
That was propaganda.
| 498 |
JustABill Fri, Aug 14, 2009 12:36:16pm |
re: #482 Pianobuff
There is a woman in the front row who keeps self-consciously adjusting her clothing. I think she has realized that wearing a mini-skirt while sitting in a narrow stiff chair may give America free “panty-shots”.
Only if she is wearing panties…///
| 499 |
albusteve Fri, Aug 14, 2009 12:36:21pm |
re: #492 itellu3times
Obama should not be out there wonking it up, he should delegate that.
This is a big political mistake for him.
his zipper is open, that’s for sure…”look at me!, I’m a dork!”
| 500 |
Charpete67 Fri, Aug 14, 2009 12:37:33pm |
re: #482 Pianobuff
There is a woman in the front row who keeps self-consciously adjusting her clothing. I think she has realized that wearing a mini-skirt while sitting in a narrow stiff chair may give America free “panty-shots”.
She thought Bill Clinton was gonna be there…
| 501 |
medaura18586 Fri, Aug 14, 2009 12:37:55pm |
re: #458 beens21
I have not read the whole bill, but can you answer this: if the employer plan changes its terms immediately so that it provides the “essential benefits”of a QBHP, can the employer add new enrollees?
I just kept reading along, 3wood was right about that plan-exchange scheme. Everything you need is between pages 16 and 19. You can keep your current plan for up to a grace period, to be determined by “da Comissioner.”
(1) IN GENERAL.—Individual health insurance coverage that is not grandfathered health insurance coverage under subsection (a) may only be offered on or after the first day of Y1 as an Exchange-participating health benefits plan.
So, what Kosh’s Shadow said. But not until this “private” coverage is in fact regulated to a degree that it’s virtually indistinguishable from the public option, which it must match in every respect.
| 502 |
Mikey_Dallas Fri, Aug 14, 2009 12:38:25pm |
re: #482 Pianobuff
There is a woman in the front row who keeps self-consciously adjusting her clothing. I think she has realized that wearing a mini-skirt while sitting in a narrow stiff chair may give America free “panty-shots”.
I don’t think those kind of shots are covered under the Bill
| 503 |
itellu3times Fri, Aug 14, 2009 12:39:59pm |
Obama is smoking dope if he thinks “incentives” for hospitals not to do follow-up work, is a workable proposal.
| 504 |
HelloDare Fri, Aug 14, 2009 12:40:20pm |
Maria Isabel: Obama Personally Told Me to Shut Up About Che Guevara Flag
They advised her that she could continue to speak on behalf of the campaign but was “prohibited” from talking about the flag because “what happens, what happens is that is that there are a lot of groups that, well, some people like Che Guevara and other people don’t like Che Guevara and that if I appear on television talking about the flag it would cause a lot of distractions.” When asked who told her that, she answers flatly, “Barack Obama.”
| 505 |
Racer X Fri, Aug 14, 2009 12:40:26pm |
re: #495 Cato the Elder
You promised us you would go away. Why do you lie?
| 506 |
sattv4u2 Fri, Aug 14, 2009 12:40:33pm |
re: #494 Charpete67
I think the doctor was trying to make money off me…my foot works pretty good…
If BOTH work pretty good, we’ll be taking one for the general good!
| 507 |
gonecamping Fri, Aug 14, 2009 12:40:37pm |
Unless of course it is in Oregon.
re: #492 itellu3times
Obama should not be out there wonking it up, he should delegate that.
This is a big political mistake for him.
| 508 |
sattv4u2 Fri, Aug 14, 2009 12:42:36pm |
re: #503 itellu3times
Obama is smoking dope if he thinks “incentives” for hospitals not to do follow-up work, is a workable proposal.
“Here’s your $$$ for not doing follow up work,
and here’s you -$$$ for malpractice for NOT following up
Hospital now owes the gov’t $$ for treating said pateint
| 509 |
gonecamping Fri, Aug 14, 2009 12:43:40pm |
oops, that was actually in reply to #502
“I don’t think those kind of shots are covered under the Bill”
not sure how the wrong message got referenced…sorry.
re: #507 gonecamping
| 510 |
sattv4u2 Fri, Aug 14, 2009 12:44:18pm |
If Obama and the Dems keep pursuing this madness (and NOT just this health care shell game) WE will get the CHANGE WE hope for!
| 511 |
lobo91 Fri, Aug 14, 2009 12:45:10pm |
re: #497 formercorpsman
I understand we have numerous networks with political leanings.
I have no tolerance whatsoever, none at all, if you feel the need to show one of our troops taking a sniper bullet, and writhing in pain while dying, claiming you are just presenting current events. If you were the parent of that kid, how would it appear?
That was propaganda.
So was Peter Arnett’s “Operation Tailwind” story, where he claimed that US forces used sarin gas to kill American deserters who were living in Laos during the Vietnam war.
| 512 |
Charpete67 Fri, Aug 14, 2009 12:45:49pm |
re: #504 HelloDare
Maria Isabel: Obama Personally Told Me to Shut Up About Che Guevara Flag
They advised her that she could continue to speak on behalf of the campaign but was “prohibited” from talking about the flag because “what happens, what happens is that is that there are a lot of groups that, well, some people like Che Guevara and other people don’t like Che Guevara and that if I appear on television talking about the flag it would cause a lot of distractions.” When asked who told her that, she answers flatly, “Barack Obama.”
The talk show host crank called Fidel Castro?…that’s pretty cool
| 513 |
Pianobuff Fri, Aug 14, 2009 12:45:51pm |
Guy at town hall challenges Obama. “You can’t pay for this without raising taxes!”
| 514 |
Age Of Freedom Fri, Aug 14, 2009 12:46:30pm |
Finally, we see more topics posted at LGF of the previously (and still) dominant garbage left.
| 515 |
dwells38 Fri, Aug 14, 2009 12:46:42pm |
re: #62 Athos
Except in the case of Lee there wasn’t even feigned concern or interest as one might expect in a kabuki production. She was quite obviously dissing the woman trying to ask a question. I heard on the radio the woman was a cancer survivor which makes it more annoying.
It seems when Repubs are confonted with the crazies they tend to act bemused but remain respectful to them even while knowing it’s mere drama ginned up for the MSM’s cameras.
But with some of these Dems they are quite scornful and confrontational. There was another from the other day where the rep looked like he was asleep during a question. I don’t think he really was but was possibly leaning back and staring up and grimacing and genrally acting the ass. He obviously didn’t care if someone thought he was asleep or not paying attention much like Lee acted.
So these people really evidently believe that this isn’t grass roots and they can just blow off these critics of the health care proposal. Pretty crazy. How hard is it to rise above and at least pretend to care?
| 516 |
lobo91 Fri, Aug 14, 2009 12:46:47pm |
re: #510 sattv4u2
If Obama and the Dems keep pursuing this madness (and NOT just this health care shell game) WE will get the CHANGE WE hope for!
Nancy’s going to miss her fancy taxpayer-funded private jet, I’ll bet.
| 517 |
formercorpsman Fri, Aug 14, 2009 12:47:53pm |
re: #511 lobo91
Yeah, Arnett’s name has been associated with some pretty insane stuff over the years.
| 518 |
eschew_obfuscation Fri, Aug 14, 2009 12:48:23pm |
re: #481 Ben Hur
Mmmm…
Flag pin.
Montana.
What’s the connection?
Frank Zappa?
wait… no, that was dental floss… hmmm
| 520 |
Creeping Eruption Fri, Aug 14, 2009 12:51:20pm |
re: #493 turn
Oh a dirty martini! I almost didn’t get that CE, being the beer guy I am. I was shaken there for a bit, but the memory finally got stirred up.
I’m a beer man myself Turn, but my wife orders her Martini’s “Jenna Jamison” dirty.
| 521 |
dwells38 Fri, Aug 14, 2009 12:51:31pm |
re: #74 tfc3rid
For now. We’ll probably see a double dip though.
| 522 |
J.S. Fri, Aug 14, 2009 12:52:40pm |
re: #488 Mikey_Dallas
Ok. (Actually, it’s not just CNN which is reporting on various, competing versions of the House bill…and, once again, according to these reports it’s not yet “a bill” — it’s a “pending bill” yet to be finalized…so there’s an ABC “Fact check” article, published August 13, which asks about funding of abortions…(I am not interested in the particulars of this debate)…anyhow, the article notes that currently it’s unclear…So, the article states: “One version of the House reform bill, by the House Energy and Commerce Committee, would…” blah, blah, blah, then, “However, the version with the Capps amendment may or may not end up being the final bill that goes to the House floor. The Senate, in the meantime, is still working on its bill.” Again, I don’t believe there is yet a “finalized” version of the House bill — thus, the confusion…
| 523 |
Ojoe Fri, Aug 14, 2009 12:53:02pm |
I want to know, what does
Nurse Ratchet
Think of “health care reform?”
| 524 |
dwells38 Fri, Aug 14, 2009 12:57:48pm |
re: #79 kansas
Because she can’t work in the term “Death Panel”. She knows what she’s doing. My opinion is this is partially a woman scorned kind of thing. I’ve noticed she’s systematically been going after everyone who went after her in Alaska and during her VP run.
Whether you like her or not she’s not a wallflower. She’s a fighter. As Governor she couldn’t fight effectively.
Now she can throw bombs and give a little payback. She still has a huge following of fans and I think she’s looking to do max damage to O’s and the Dems efforts regardless what they are.
| 525 |
Ojoe Fri, Aug 14, 2009 12:58:52pm |
re: #524 dwells38
I still think she’s going to be the first lady POTUS.
| 526 |
FrogMarch Fri, Aug 14, 2009 12:59:41pm |
re: #26 kansas
Since this is not found on any of MSM, did it really happen?
No kidding.
The DNC MSM are too busy spinning the “everyone is attempting to murder the president - so we must push socialized medicine”.
| 527 |
Mikey_Dallas Fri, Aug 14, 2009 1:02:53pm |
re: #513 Pianobuff
Guy at town hall challenges Obama. “You can’t pay for this without raising taxes!”
“Of course I can. Nancy Pelosi can’t but I can”
| 528 |
Mikey_Dallas Fri, Aug 14, 2009 1:05:19pm |
re: #522 J.S.
Sorry you are correct. There is absolutely no “final” version. But this is the only version that there is to discuss and is the Democrat’s preferred bill.
But if the point is that we can’t discuss it until there’s a final bill on the floor of both the House and Senate, that’s a red herring, cause by then it’s just about a done deal.
| 529 |
nikis-knight Fri, Aug 14, 2009 2:38:08pm |
re: #231 Sharmuta
No one is stopping people from protesting, but town hall meetings are not the place.
Better to do it where the important people don’t have to see.
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JacksonTn Fri, Aug 14, 2009 2:53:01pm |
re: #362 Sharmuta
Those who can’t control themselves should be removed from the meeting. How’s that for a solution?
Sharmuta … who gets to determine what is “in control” and what is not? … I have been to townhalls before on other subjects and there has been yelling … sometimes when local council meets they yell at each other … it happens and it is not just over healthcare … it is just that there are many more people at these townhalls …
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TedStriker Fri, Aug 14, 2009 3:20:15pm |
re: #363 Cato the Elder
Yes, ma’am.
I, for one, ask for workers who are licensed, not just trained any which way in a slipshod on-the-job you-don’t-have-to-know-how-to-calculate-water-pres sure kinda sorta way.
And I prefer union members.
Cato, were you born a pedantic douchebag or did you have to practice at it?
Far be it from me to go out and defend JTP, but he performed the services of a plumber while in the employ of a licensed plumbing contractor (which, in many municipalities, is legal and SOP). If JTP did not have a license that was required in the areas he worked, that seems to me to be an issue for his boss to handle, since the boss is responsible for making sure that all of his employees are compliant with all applicable rules and regulations.
/don’t let a little thing like logic stop you from continuing to take a dump all over JTP, whether he deserves it or not, however…
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