Windows 7: Microsoft’s Best OS Yet?

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Microsoft’s latest operating system, Windows 7, is getting rave advance reviews; after the very underwhelming Windows Vista, it looks like MS may have finally gotten it right: First Look: Windows 7 Shapes Up as Microsoft’s Best OS Yet.

You can pre-order Windows 7 now at Amazon.External Image There are several packages available, and that Amazon page has a feature comparison chart to help decide which one is best for your system.

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1 Chicken Kiev  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 5:42:11pm

sorry, i'm a mac user. don't speak windows.

2 NelsFree  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 5:42:45pm

Finally, MS gets it right.

3 Chicken Kiev  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 5:43:06pm

or do I? see, I'm still in the dark ages technologically. turn on computer. push buttons. cry when it doesn't work.

4 Cato the Elder  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 5:43:09pm

I recently set up my parents' new PC. The OS seems decent enough. Fast, fast, fast little Dell they bought themselves.

The nod to Mac X (Windows has a dock now) is telling.

5 NelsFree  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 5:43:55pm

re: #1 Chicken Kiev

sorry, i'm a mac user. don't speak windows.

Windows is the one in the commercials disguised as a pizza box on college campii. Easy to spot. Or sniff out.

6 Sharmuta  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 5:44:02pm

We installed it on half the work computers and it looks pretty good. No complaints from the tech guys at all. They like it.

7 Kosh's Shadow  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 5:44:09pm

re: #4 Cato the Elder

I recently set up my parents' new PC. The OS seems decent enough. Fast, fast, fast little Dell they bought themselves.

The nod to Mac X (Windows has a dock now) is telling.

I think the dock is Dell's add-on.

8 DEZes  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 5:44:44pm

I downloaded the beta, its still sitting on my desk top for a test drive.

9 SasquatchOnSteroids  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 5:45:26pm

Rave advance reviews.
Sounds like Sunshine.
That's working out terrific.

Not gonna be the canary.

10 spidly  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 5:46:01pm

re: #4 Cato the Elder

I recently set up my parents' new PC. The OS seems decent enough. Fast, fast, fast little Dell they bought themselves.

The nod to Mac X (Windows has a dock now) is telling.

someday they'll just steal the whole OS.

South Park Windows '98

11 JCM  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 5:46:31pm

Snow Leopard Upgrade - $29.99
Win 7 Ultimate Upgrade - $219.99

12 DEZes  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 5:47:18pm

re: #9 SasquatchOnSteroids

Rave advance reviews.
Sounds like Sunshine.
That's working out terrific.

Not gonna be the canary.

This is one of the few times I want to be the canary, XP will soon be left for dead, and Vista was DOA.

13 SurferDoc  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 5:48:10pm

I ran the beta on my laptop for three months. It was fast and problem free for me.

14 SasquatchOnSteroids  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 5:48:35pm

re: #12 DEZes

This is one of the few times I want to be the canary, XP will soon be left for dead, and Vista was DOA.

Cool. If I don't see you in a week, can I have your liquor cabinet ?

15 idioma  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 5:49:22pm

I'm looking forward to Snow Leopard personally. I've tried the RC of Win7, and it was promising. Competition benefits the consumer.

I win.

16 DEZes  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 5:50:05pm

re: #14 SasquatchOnSteroids

Cool. If I don't see you in a week, can I have your liquor cabinet ?

There goes your diet, please don,t mix my good bourbon with Pepsi.

17 midwestgak  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 5:50:14pm

re: #11 JCM

Snow Leopard Upgrade - $29.99
Win 7 Ultimate Upgrade - $219.99

So, Snow Leopard is the upgrade to Leopard?

18 JCM  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 5:50:51pm

The Windows ad that should have been...

Youtube Video
19 Kosh's Shadow  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 5:51:30pm

re: #11 JCM

Snow Leopard Upgrade - $29.99
Win 7 Ultimate Upgrade - $219.99

Yes, which is why I don't see myself upgrading my Windows box from Vista. Some upgrades have solved its instability; the biggest problem is I have to wait before logging in or some things don't work right (system tray icons for volume, power, network don't come up)
It isn't worth $200 to fix that.
OTOH, I will upgrade my Mac to Snow Leopard.

20 JCM  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 5:51:33pm

re: #17 midwestgak

So, Snow Leopard is the upgrade to Leopard?

Yep, MacOS 10.6, scheduled for September.

21 JCM  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 5:52:53pm

re: #19 Kosh's Shadow

Yes, which is why I don't see myself upgrading my Windows box from Vista. Some upgrades have solved its instability; the biggest problem is I have to wait before logging in or some things don't work right (system tray icons for volume, power, network don't come up)
It isn't worth $200 to fix that.
OTOH, I will upgrade my Mac to Snow Leopard.

I'll talk to a friend at M$ and get a employee priced copy of Win 7 that way.

22 gregb  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 5:54:13pm

It's harder to sort through windows on the windows toolbar. Also, I hate with a passion how it maximizes any window that you accidentally drag too close to the top of the screen.

Other than that, pretty cool, but I've been using Vista x64 sp1 for quite some time now.

23 NelsFree  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 5:55:41pm

re: #10 spidly

someday they'll just steal the whole OS.

South Park Windows '98

Darn you! I just spent all this time watching South Park videos.
/h

24 gregb  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 5:55:42pm

re: #20 JCM

Yep, MacOS 10.6, scheduled for September.

Windows 7 x64 running VMware Workstation 6.0.5 running OSX Leopard 10.5.

Shhh, don't tell Mac.

25 JCM  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 5:56:16pm

re: #22 gregb

It's harder to sort through windows on the windows toolbar. Also, I hate with a passion how it maximizes any window that you accidentally drag too close to the top of the screen.

Other than that, pretty cool, but I've been using Vista x64 sp1 for quite some time now.

I've been running Vista on a number of machine, if you've got the horsepower, and go in turn off all be BS it's not bad at all.

26 Kosh's Shadow  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 5:56:36pm

re: #21 JCM

I'll talk to a friend at M$ and get a employee priced copy of Win 7 that way.

I should see what an academic price is, as I teach part-time at an online university. That's how I got the system, through Dell's partnership (Apple also has one), and bought Office for around $110, academic price.
And that is the main thing I use the machine for.

27 spidly  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 5:56:46pm

re: #18 JCM

The Windows ad that should have been...


[Video]

fuck me I need Obamacare, laughing too much can make blood come from one's eyeballs.

28 TedStriker  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 5:57:22pm

re: #11 JCM

Snow Leopard Upgrade - $29.99
Win 7 Ultimate Upgrade - $219.99

IIRC, JCM, the $29 Snow Leopard upgrade fee is only for those already running Leopard (which would be a minor upgrade, roughly equivalent to a Windows service pack)...the cost to those not already running Leopard is bound to be a wee bit more expensive (at least $100-125, IIRC)

29 Kosh's Shadow  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 5:57:34pm

re: #25 JCM

I've been running Vista on a number of machine, if you've got the horsepower, and go in turn off all be BS it's not bad at all.

Horsepower, yes, it runs very well on a dual-core 2.4 GHz, 4 MB ram, system.

30 NelsFree  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 5:57:45pm

Pizza's here, BBL

31 JCM  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 5:58:08pm

re: #24 gregb

Windows 7 x64 running VMware Workstation 6.0.5 running OSX Leopard 10.5.

Shhh, don't tell Mac.

Friend at work does that too, I do it the other way, MacBook Pro, running 10.5, Vista in Parallels and Unbuntu in X11, some times all at the same time.

32 JCM  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 6:00:51pm

re: #29 Kosh's Shadow

Horsepower, yes, it runs very well on a dual-core 2.4 GHz, 4 MB ram, system.

Which is what I run it on. It beats the snot out of my desktop with a single core at 3.4Ghz and 4GB of RAM.

Multicore the way to go.

33 Charles Johnson  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 6:01:09pm

I have Vista installed with VMWare Fusion, and it runs OK, but I also have XP installed.

Switching between them it's very obvious why so many users hated Vista. It's a hog.

34 TedStriker  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 6:02:10pm

re: #28 talon_262

BTW, I've been running Win 7 since the public beta started and I love it...never had the horror stories that some had with Vista, but Win7 is definitely an improvement.

35 Occasional Reader  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 6:04:34pm

I just saw the Three Raccoons of the Apocalypse. Right now. On my patio.

IT'S THE END-TIMES, I TELLSYA!

36 Macker  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 6:04:58pm

re: #33 Charles

I have Vista installed with VMWare Fusion, and it runs OK, but I also have XP installed.

Switching between them it's very obvious why so many users hated Vista. It's a hog.

Chomping at the bit for Snow Leopard!

37 JCM  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 6:06:01pm

re: #36 Macker

Chomping at the bit for Snow Leopard!

Full 64 bit and SATA 3.0 support, you bet!

38 kreigwagon  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 6:08:12pm

Now I wonder what compatibility issues I'll have with networking printers and networking to the wife's pc.
I have Vista on my notebook and that was hassle to set everything up.
Anyone know if Win 7 is networking friendly...especially with a PC still using XP?

My wife uses Quickbooks for billing/invoicing and at the time, Vista and Quickbooks; Her UPS Tracking software were incompatible...

39 Killgore Trout  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 6:08:45pm

We were discussing Shahrukh Khan on the previous thread. Here's on oldie from the Bollywood clip of the day...
yuhi chala chal rahi

Youtube Video


Translation...


keep roaming thus oh traveler


how beautiful this world is


forget all your turmoil and enjoy the profusion of flowers


how colorful this world is

40 kreigwagon  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 6:09:52pm

Hmm...been a while since I have been here...many changes...
What's the "Karma" on the profile?

41 Kosh's Shadow  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 6:10:26pm

re: #32 JCM

Which is what I run it on. It beats the snot out of my desktop with a single core at 3.4Ghz and 4GB of RAM.

Multicore the way to go.

Yes, my desktop beats my work laptop - it has a 3.x GHz single core, with 1 GB RAM, running XP Pro.
Building part of our software takes 5 min on my laptop, an hour on the desktop. Needs more memory bad.

42 Mithrax  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 6:10:46pm

Sigh.
Might just be easier for me to go laptop instead of upgrading.

43 Cato the Elder  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 6:10:48pm

OK, fresh limerick, on apocolypticism.

The time of disaster is near
When all of the specters you fear
Will either come true
Or make fun of you.
In my nightmares it still isn't clear.

44 JCM  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 6:11:38pm

re: #40 kreigwagon

Hmm...been a while since I have been here...many changes...
What's the "Karma" on the profile?

On each comment there is a red minus and green plus, you up or down ding (mark) a comment.

Karma is a users calmative + and - score.

45 Gella  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 6:12:19pm

i have sucky Vista, what are major differences between Vista and 7??

46 JCM  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 6:12:50pm

re: #45 Gella

i have sucky Vista, what are major differences between Vista and 7??

It's fixed...

47 Kosh's Shadow  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 6:12:53pm

re: #38 kreigwagon

Now I wonder what compatibility issues I'll have with networking printers and networking to the wife's pc.
I have Vista on my notebook and that was hassle to set everything up.
Anyone know if Win 7 is networking friendly...especially with a PC still using XP?

My wife uses Quickbooks for billing/invoicing and at the time, Vista and Quickbooks; Her UPS Tracking software were incompatible...

I've had no trouble networking Vista and XP Pro machines. Maybe because I turned off (on XP) stupid, er, insecure, I mean simple file sharing. (That uses only the guest account, which should be disabled for security. Turn it off, and you need matching accounts or need to log in, but it works fine)

48 kreigwagon  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 6:13:21pm

re: #44 JCM

On each comment there is a red minus and green plus, you up or down ding (mark) a comment.

Karma is a users calmative + and - score.

I see...Thanks...

Charles still doesn't rest on his laurels much does he...

49 Kosh's Shadow  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 6:13:25pm

re: #46 JCM

It's fixed...

As in fixed like a dog?

50 David Simon  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 6:15:11pm

Missed it Thursday, but it's nice to see that Christiane Amanwhore hasn't lost her touch: conjuring up an unconscionable fantasy that Gazans just want to get along.

Perhaps she'll show the devastation in Israel wrought by thousands of Gazan rocket attacks since Israel withdrew, but I'm not holding my breath.

51 JCM  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 6:15:16pm

re: #49 Kosh's Shadow

As in fixed like a dog?

I thought I heard Bill whimpering...

52 Caboose  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 6:15:41pm

Hopefully, by the time this posts, i will not have violated the "going OT too early in a thread" law...

It is OK to shop at Whole Foods! I was worried that the store was on the other side of the political spectrum (I'll bet a lot of their employees are, but it is nice to know that the Head Fred is a conservative and has not drunk the 0bama-nade).

53 Macker  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 6:16:12pm

re: #50 David Simon

Missed it Thursday, but it's nice to see that Christiane Amanwhore hasn't lost her touch: conjuring up an unconscionable fantasy that Gazans just want to get along.

Perhaps she'll show the devastation in Israel wrought by thousands of Gazan rocket attacks since Israel withdrew, but I'm not holding my breath.

Personally, I'd love to see Hamas and the "Warriors of (who they term as) God" destroy each other and Israel laugh their asses off at them!

54 Kosh's Shadow  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 6:16:46pm

re: #51 JCM

I thought I heard Bill whimpering...

Something about "micro" and "soft"?

55 Occasional Reader  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 6:17:36pm

re: #52 Caboose

Hopefully, by the time this posts, i will not have violated the "going OT too early in a thread" law...

It is OK to shop at Whole Foods! I was worried that the store was on the other side of the political spectrum (I'll bet a lot of their employees are, but it is nice to know that the Head Fred is a conservative and has not drunk the 0bama-nade).

I saw that news the other day. I was also pleasantly surprised at Mr. Mackey's views. The atmosphere in Whole Foods is wall to wall latte liberal; it took guts for him to "come out". I'm glad I shopped there today.

56 David Simon  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 6:19:55pm

re: #52 Caboose

Mackie is a libertarian. I don't agree with everything he wrote, but his WSJ op-ed is worth a read. (And even if he were a leftist, Whole Foods is the best grocery store in the country, and I'd still shop there.)

57 austin_blue  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 6:20:28pm

re: #39 Killgore Trout

We were discussing Shahrukh Khan on the previous thread. Here's on oldie from the Bollywood clip of the day...
yuhi chala chal rahi

[Video]

Translation...

Nice one! Needs the usual chick chorus, though.

58 albusteve  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 6:21:03pm

re: #55 Occasional Reader

I saw that news the other day. I was also pleasantly surprised at Mr. Mackey's views. The atmosphere in Whole Foods is wall to wall latte liberal; it took guts for him to "come out". I'm glad I shopped there today.

I was too...but they do not carry Beef-O-Roni which is a huge setback for my business

59 rain of lead  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 6:21:23pm

ok guys
chew on this (ot)
IRS the new health care enforcer

60 SasquatchOnSteroids  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 6:21:39pm

re: #52 Caboose

Hopefully, by the time this posts, i will not have violated the "going OT too early in a thread" law...

It is OK to shop at Whole Foods! I was worried that the store was on the other side of the political spectrum (I'll bet a lot of their employees are, but it is nice to know that the Head Fred is a conservative and has not drunk the 0bama-nade).

There's one near my workplace.
Might just gander down there one day.

61 albusteve  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 6:22:17pm

re: #56 David Simon

Mackie is a libertarian. I don't agree with everything he wrote, but his WSJ op-ed is worth a read. (And even if he were a leftist, Whole Foods is the best grocery store in the country, and I'd still shop there.)

King Soopers is the best in the west

62 David Simon  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 6:27:20pm

re: #59 rain of lead

ok guys
chew on this (ot)
IRS the new health care enforcer

I wonder...if community rating replaces experience rating (see the disastrous results in the Northeast states) and young people opt for the cheaper fine, is IRS allowed to bargain away the taxpayer's liability via "offer in compromise?"

63 NJDhockeyfan  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 6:27:45pm

re: #59 rain of lead

ok guys
chew on this (ot)
IRS the new health care enforcer

Chilling.

64 JCM  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 6:30:07pm

re: #63 NJDhockeyfan

Chilling.

You're behind in your taxes we're here for your liver...

Youtube Video
65 SasquatchOnSteroids  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 6:31:24pm

re: #59 rain of lead

ok guys
chew on this (ot)
IRS the new health care enforcer

Release the Dogs of War !

*shudder*

66 rain of lead  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 6:32:08pm

re: #63 NJDhockeyfan

Chilling.

agreed
just the thought of the IRS anywhere near this scares the crap out of me

67 Caboose  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 6:32:13pm

re: #61 albusteve

King Soopers is the best in the west

I have to admit that Trader Joe's is my current favorite (here in Norcross, it is less than two miles from the house and two-and-a-half-buck Chuck is perfectly fine wine %-) ). Whole Foods is up the road a piece, so I don't get there very often but it is a nice place to go to get victuals that you just can't find elsewhere. But I just love my TJ's!!!

68 NJDhockeyfan  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 6:32:14pm

re: #59 rain of lead

ok guys
chew on this (ot)
IRS the new health care enforcer

From the comments:

Peg C. said...

The IRS will also have the power to electronically deduct from our bank accounts fines, penalties and taxes for failing to get the approved coverage and possibly any number of other "misbehaviors" not approved by the Inquisitors.

Florida said...

Massachusetts has a similar IRS provision. You must buy health insurance if you live in Massachusetts or else you will be fined by the Mass Division of Revenue.

But only if you are a Jew.

If you are a Muslim, you don't have to buy health insurance. Muslims are exempted from having to pay the tax.

Christians are also fined. When you fill out your income tax, you are asked whether you are a Jew (or a Christian). If you answer yes, then you are assessed a penalty if you do not have health insurance.

But if you answer that you are a Muslim, you get a free pass.

Are they right?

69 David Simon  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 6:33:38pm

re: #61 albusteve

King Soopers is the best in the west

I have to admit, I'm impressed with the way the other chains (including Kroger) have stepped up their game. The nearest Whole Foods...isn't all that near to me. I stopped by the local Dominick's yesterday on the way home from work, and found superb heirloom tomatoes. I chopped them up with onions and basil bought at my local farmer's market today, and dressed them with extra virgin olive oil and balsamic vinegar (sorry, but nothing tops Whole Foods for condiments) for as good a salad as I've ever had.

70 Taqyia2Me  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 6:34:54pm

re: #68 NJDhockeyfan

Good heavens, I hope that's snarkasm in them there comments!

71 kreigwagon  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 6:35:20pm

re: #59 rain of lead

ok guys
chew on this (ot)
IRS the new health care enforcer



(...) The Senate bill imposes a new requirement that all persons who provide health care coverage to others must file a return with the IRS listing the names, addresses, social security numbers, and the coverage period for each person, and "such other information as the Secretary [of Health and Human Services] may prescribe." (Section 161(b) starting at page 107). The bill does not limit what information the Secretary may request, so it is conceivable and likely that information as to the nature of the coverage, the family members included, and other details will be reported to the IRS.

The House bill contains similar provisions in section 401(b) (at pp. 175-176). The following information must be reported by the person providing health coverage:

(A) the name, address, and TIN of the primary insured and the name of each other individual obtaining coverage under the policy, (B) the period for which each such individual was provided with the coverage referred to in subsection (a), and (C) such other information as the Secretary may require.(...)

So our privacy rights are skirted...

Well, this a little like the proposed mandatory EOBRs (Electric On-Board Recorders) installation for all interstate commercial vehicles within the year. The industry joke between the carriers and the surety/bond holders is, that the government will mandate cameras in the cabs as well...

Anyone feel like Winston Smith yet?

72 Killian Bundy  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 6:37:05pm

re: #56 David Simon

Whole Foods is the best grocery store in the country

Last time I was in one they didn't even sell cat sand.

/cat's get cranky if they don't gets their Tidy Cat

73 NJDhockeyfan  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 6:37:08pm

re: #70 Taqyia2Me

Good heavens, I hope that's snarkasm in them there comments!

Someone today mentioned the same thing Peg C. wrote. Can they really deduct money from our bank accounts? If so I see a bunch of people burying money on the back yard like the old days.

74 David Simon  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 6:37:56pm

re: #68 NJDhockeyfan

Are they right?

There are multiple step that IRS needs to go through before they can levy someone's bank account. It's nothing new.

75 Taqyia2Me  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 6:38:59pm

re: #73 NJDhockeyfan

Someone today mentioned the same thing Peg C. wrote. Can they really deduct money from our bank accounts? If so I see a bunch of people burying money on the back yard like the old days.

I'm beginning to question the wisdom (even more) of me sending myself in to flag at usa dot gov.

76 Egregious Philbin  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 6:39:03pm

I am getting a full 64 bit Ultimate version with two licenses for it free from work next week for my home PC and laptop. Both are now set as dual boot. Gonna get a new 1.5 T hard drive first for the home machine before I install, I prefer a clean install rather than an upgrade.

77 Caboose  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 6:39:11pm

re: #56 David Simon

Mackie is a libertarian. I don't agree with everything he wrote, but his WSJ op-ed is worth a read. (And even if he were a leftist, Whole Foods is the best grocery store in the country, and I'd still shop there.)

I think I'm more libertarian (with a small "l" and definitely was a large "L" until 9-11) in my general outlook than a Republican but for now, I can't see myself voting for anything other than the Republican ticket. Too much at stake and the Libertarian Party has about as many distasteful kooks as the Demonrats. So my political views (and votes) are more who I am voting against as to who I am voting for. And before Mandy comes along and tries to punt my nutsack, I voted Palin/McCain in the last election.

78 David Simon  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 6:39:35pm

re: #72 Killian Bundy

Last time I was in one they didn't even sell cat sand.

/cat's get cranky if they don't gets their Tidy Cat

Yeah, but you could have made it up to them by buying them a $10 can of cat food.

79 kreigwagon  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 6:39:44pm

re: #73 NJDhockeyfan

Someone today mentioned the same thing Peg C. wrote. Can they really deduct money from our bank accounts? If so I see a bunch of people burying money on the back yard like the old days.

Ever known a divorced dad who gets a little behind in child support payments?...If the government can garnish wages for child support or alimony, you be sure they can do many other things to your bank account...

80 JCM  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 6:40:13pm

re: #68 NJDhockeyfan

Are they right?

Over the top... IMHO.

81 Killgore Trout  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 6:42:00pm

re: #59 rain of lead

ok guys
chew on this (ot)
IRS the new health care enforcer

The usual dishonest bloggers are pushing that one so I assume it's bogus. Lies are working so there's not much incentive to be honest.

82 David Simon  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 6:42:30pm

re: #70 Taqyia2Me

Good heavens, I hope that's snarkasm in them there comments!

Sadly no. There are way too many people who really believe that shit.

83 avanti  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 6:42:40pm

OT, a fellow Avanti owner just set a new world record with his twin turbocharged 299 cu in V8 in a 1963 Avanti. On Wed he set the turbo boost to 22 lbs to qualify and on the return run he set it at 25 lbs boost and up his average to 232.238 MPH for a new Bonneville world record in D/CPS. (D coupe Supercharged)

84 Killgore Trout  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 6:42:56pm

re: #68 NJDhockeyfan

Are they right?


Probably not.

85 JCM  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 6:43:09pm

re: #78 David Simon

Yeah, but you could have made it up to them by buying them a $10 can of cat food.

Free Range Sea Kitten!

86 albusteve  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 6:43:55pm

re: #79 kreigwagon

Ever known a divorced dad who gets a little behind in child support payments?...If the government can garnish wages for child support or alimony, you be sure they can do many other things to your bank account...

the Family Court tried to get me to sell my house to pay for $1800 in arears...crazy fanatics...I did 32 days in jail over that one

87 NJDhockeyfan  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 6:45:47pm

re: #81 Killgore Trout

The usual dishonest bloggers are pushing that one so I assume it's bogus. Lies are working so there's not much incentive to be honest.

William A. Jacobson is a 'dishonest blogger'?

88 austin_blue  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 6:45:52pm

re: #86 albusteve

the Family Court tried to get me to sell my house to pay for $1800 in arears...crazy fanatics...I did 32 days in jail over that one

Which I imagine was *real* helpful in paying back the arrears...

How counterproductive is that?

89 David Simon  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 6:45:58pm

re: #85 JCM

Free Range Sea Kitten!

OMG! No you didn't, lol!

90 Caboose  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 6:46:05pm

On topic, I'm getting ready to roll my own with a new PC (homebuilt). Snagged a nice CoolerMaster Sniper case, a Corsair 550W P/S, a BioStar AM3 m/b with a Phenom II 955 Black CPU & 4 GB of DDR3 RAM. The nice thing is that all the money that is going into it either came from gift certificates or side jobs fixing PCs. I will be running XP Prof SP3 for the foreseeable future, but Ubuntu is likely to be an option at some point.

91 rain of lead  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 6:46:05pm

re: #81 Killgore Trout

kt
this seems to me a straightforward reporting of what is in the bill
there may be some dispute about what the provisions mean
but where are the lies

92 JCM  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 6:46:56pm

IRS can do quite a lot without due process.

93 Killgore Trout  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 6:46:56pm

Eurofascists having some summer fun...
'Barack Obama' is put in stocks as festivities kick off at the BNP summer party


The BNP have often denied being a racist party.

But as a man dressed as U.S. president Barack Obama was put in stocks, the true colours of the party were clear for all to see.

The shocking scene was part of the BNP's annual Red, White and Blue festival which is taking place in Codnor, Derbyshire this weekend.


With pics.

94 Killgore Trout  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 6:47:39pm

re: #87 NJDhockeyfan

William A. Jacobson is a 'dishonest blogger'?

Yes. So is Instapundit.

95 Caboose  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 6:47:57pm

re: #83 avanti

OT, a fellow Avanti owner just set a new world record with his twin turbocharged 299 cu in V8 in a 1963 Avanti. On Wed he set the turbo boost to 22 lbs to qualify and on the return run he set it at 25 lbs boost and up his average to 232.238 MPH for a new Bonneville world record in D/CPS. (D coupe Supercharged)

Saw a gold one here in Atlanta (Brookhaven) tooling around about a week ago and I thought about our very own avanti...

96 TedStriker  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 6:48:12pm

re: #93 Killgore Trout

Eurofascists having some summer fun...
'Barack Obama' is put in stocks as festivities kick off at the BNP summer party


With pics.

Oy vey...

97 karmic_inquisitor  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 6:48:44pm

re: #79 kreigwagon

Ever known a divorced dad who gets a little behind in child support payments?...If the government can garnish wages for child support or alimony, you be sure they can do many other things to your bank account...

Here's the thing - it is called the "due process clause". From memory (so I may get a word or two wrong) "No person can be deprived of lifer, liberty, or property without due process of law".

That means that the government can't take your stuff willy nilly. For example - garnishments generally require a court order. It is a judge who signs off on child support garnishments. Or garnishments for judgments. For a judge to do it someone has to first file suit, and you have to be notified of it and have an opportunity to state your side of things before the gavel swings.

Now you are free to consent to pay people for goods and services by having them pull the money out of your account. All sorts of businesses are doing that today, but with the consent of the account holder.

The government would not have the ability (under due process) to forcibly enroll you in a plan and then forcibly pull money from your accounts as compensation for their services. Can't happen - not forcibly. And if a bill passed with such language then it would be the very first thing that would be attacked with injunctions, which would be granted.

98 Killgore Trout  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 6:49:20pm

re: #91 rain of lead

this seems to me a straightforward reporting of what is in the bill
there may be some dispute about what the provisions mean


It's the same technique used to get people to freak out about the DHS memo and the death panel thing. If you cry hysterically enough you might get appeasement.

99 rain of lead  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 6:49:25pm

re: #94 Killgore Trout

Yes. So is Instapundit.

oh noes...
please please please KT
start your own blog and show us how it can be done right

100 Jack Burton  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 6:50:25pm

re: #94 Killgore Trout

Yes. So is Instapundit.

William A. Jacobson, Associate Professor of Clinical Law at Cornell is a dishonest blogger, just because you said so. How about you elaborate on that.

Not saying he isn't but, he doesn't have the obvious kook stench so please enlighten us.

101 albusteve  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 6:50:45pm

re: #88 austin_blue

Which I imagine was *real* helpful in paying back the arrears...

How counterproductive is that?

I had spent over 4k in medical bills for my daughter and they never even considered that little factoid, while my ex was drinking my support away at the local saloon...I have a long, ugly history with the courts and the IRS...I hate the feds and their local minions

102 Occasional Reader  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 6:51:18pm

re: #93 Killgore Trout

Eurofascists having some summer fun...
'Barack Obama' is put in stocks as festivities kick off at the BNP summer party


With pics.

While I have no doubt at all that the BNP is a racist party, I'm not sure why caricaturizing Obama as being in stocks is an inherently "racist" gesture. Stupid, distasteful... sure. Racist? Why?

103 clgood  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 6:51:24pm

I can easily believe that this is Microsoft's "best ever" OS.

That's a pretty low bar to hurdle.

104 Occasional Reader  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 6:52:02pm

re: #94 Killgore Trout

Yes. So is Instapundit.

And your support for that is...?

105 David Simon  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 6:52:22pm

re: #92 JCM

IRS can do quite a lot without due process.

Not really. You can always petition the Tax Court after receiving a statutory notice of deficiency. The question is, is it cheaper to pay the assessment, or is it cheaper to pay the lawyer to fight it?

106 Killgore Trout  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 6:53:22pm

re: #100 ArchangelMichael

Glenn Reynolds has credentials too vut they've posted so much bullshit over the past six months I no longer take them seriously enough to fact check. I'd be will to bet this creative interpretation started with Alex Jones or the Paulians. It usually takes a week for this crap to filter up to the mainstream conservative blogs. You can take them seriously if you want to. I don't.

107 karmic_inquisitor  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 6:53:38pm

Charles -

Nice lower right hand corner handle on the comment box. Thanks!

108 JCM  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 6:54:18pm

re: #105 David Simon

Not really. You can always petition the Tax Court after receiving a statutory notice of deficiency. The question is, is it cheaper to pay the assessment, or is it cheaper to pay the lawyer to fight it?

Thing with IRS it's their due process, they can declare you in default, and it's up to you to prove them wrong.

Bassackwards.

109 avanti  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 6:54:21pm

re: #81 Killgore Trout

The usual dishonest bloggers are pushing that one so I assume it's bogus. Lies are working so there's not much incentive to be honest.

Some of it is true, what's in the bill for example. They are just not honest about the purpose.

110 kreigwagon  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 6:54:35pm

re: #97 karmic_inquisitor

I agree with your comment 100%...
But does congress or the bureaucrats in government concur with your opinion?

111 Killgore Trout  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 6:54:53pm

re: #104 Occasional Reader

The last straw for me was linking to financial information from Lew Rockwell. I looked past his praise of Ron Paul. I should have known better. Live and learn.

112 albusteve  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 6:55:16pm

re: #105 David Simon

Not really. You can always petition the Tax Court after receiving a statutory notice of deficiency. The question is, is it cheaper to pay the assessment, or is it cheaper to pay the lawyer to fight it?

the IRS owes me around 8k...they won't pay off til I beat them in court...what's my net?...the IRS is bigtime, they can strangle you with costs and they do

113 austin_blue  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 6:55:19pm

re: #102 Occasional Reader

While I have no doubt at all that the BNP is a racist party, I'm not sure why caricaturizing Obama as being in stocks is an inherently "racist" gesture. Stupid, distasteful... sure. Racist? Why?

Cause hanging him from a tree would have killed the actor but made the point clearer? I just kind of feel that any time you put a black man in bondage, you are making reference to an unfortunate period in our history when humans were property.

114 kreigwagon  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 6:55:53pm

re: #105 David Simon

Not really. You can always petition the Tax Court after receiving a statutory notice of deficiency. The question is, is it cheaper to pay the assessment, or is it cheaper to pay the lawyer to fight it?

Like this conundrum:
Sharp stick in the eye or hickory club to the head...

115 Killian Bundy  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 6:56:25pm

Nuke-nobbler raygun 747 scores 'surrogate' test success

The USA's amazing jumbo-jet-mounted blaster cannon, the Airborne Laser (ABL), continues progress through flight testing. Lead contractor Boeing announced last night that the ABL has successfully detected and locked onto a test rocket and held a "surrogate" low-power beam on it. Had a full-bore blast been fired, the rocket would have been destroyed.

"This test demonstrates that the Airborne Laser can fully engage an in-flight missile," said Boeing jumbo-blaster veep Michael Rinn. "Pointing and focusing a laser beam on a target that is rocketing skyward at thousands of miles per hour is no easy task, but the Airborne Laser is uniquely able to do the job."

The flight test reportedly took place on Monday off the coast of California, with the target rocket launched from San Nicholas Island.

/never fear though, Obama will cancel it

116 victor_yugo  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 6:57:22pm

In the comic strip "Peanuts," Charlie Brown keeps trying to kick the football, but Lucy always pulls it away. The only thing that changes is how she pleads her case.

In the real world, Microsoft isn't much different from Lucy Van Pelt.

117 David Simon  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 6:57:51pm

re: #108 JCM

Thing with IRS it's their due process, they can declare you in default, and it's up to you to prove them wrong.

Bassackwards.

Yeah, the procedures are definitely fucked up, but you can still get your day in court. They can't seize your money if you follow the rules.

118 Jack Burton  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 6:58:24pm

re: #106 Killgore Trout

I wasn't talking about Instapundit. Enoughevidence has been presented to show he's gone off the deep end.

I was talking about a Law Professor you dismissed out of hand as a kook with no proof as to why he's a kook. When some ID shill or AGW skeptic posts garbage links from dishonest sources we say "That guy is a kook, here's why:" links follow.

"Because I said so" doesn't fly for creationist and various kooks. It also doesn't fly for you.

119 avanti  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 6:58:29pm

re: #98 Killgore Trout

It's the same technique used to get people to freak out about the DHS memo and the death panel thing. If you cry hysterically enough you might get appeasement.

Now that the death panel thing is old news, they need to find another part of the bill to lie about and scare folks. Bury the other side in lies faster than they can respond seems the plan of attack.

120 austin_blue  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 6:58:31pm

re: #116 victor_yugo

In the comic strip "Peanuts," Charlie Brown keeps trying to kick the football, but Lucy always pulls it away. The only thing that changes is how she pleads her case.

In the real world, Microsoft isn't much different from Lucy Van Pelt.

Funny! I have always seen each new release of the Windows OS as the new and improved Yugo.

121 JCM  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 6:58:55pm

re: #112 albusteve

the IRS owes me around 8k...they won't pay off til I beat them in court...what's my net?...the IRS is bigtime, they can strangle you with costs and they do

The IRS decided I worked a full year for an employer I never did. And owed all the taxes on the $50,000 I never earned.

Took me months, and money out of my pocket to prove to their satisfaction I had not in fact worked for the company.

122 victor_yugo  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 6:59:20pm

re: #112 albusteve

the IRS owes me around 8k...they won't pay off til I beat them in court...what's my net?...the IRS is bigtime, they can strangle you with costs and they do

Have you contacted your Congresscritter's office? Mine came through for me in 2002.

123 rain of lead  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 7:00:22pm

The Senate bill imposes a new requirement that all persons who provide health care coverage to others must file a return with the IRS listing the names, addresses, social security numbers, and the coverage period for each person, and "such other information as the Secretary [of Health and Human Services] may prescribe." (Section 161(b) starting at page 107). The bill does not limit what information the Secretary may request, so it is conceivable and likely that information as to the nature of the coverage, the family members included, and other details will be reported to the IRS.

This information is to be provided to the IRS for good reason. The House bill provides for a tax on people who do not have acceptable coverage at "any time" during the tax year. House bill section 401 provides for a new section 59B (at pp. 167-168) of the Internal Revenue Code:

The reporting requirements can only be understood in this tax context. In order to know which taxpayers to tax, the IRS needs to know which taxpayers do not have coverage received from someone else (normally, an employer).

does any of this make you feel all warm and fuzzy

124 kreigwagon  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 7:00:47pm

re: #112 albusteve

the IRS owes me around 8k...they won't pay off til I beat them in court...what's my net?...the IRS is bigtime, they can strangle you with costs and they do

The state of Kommifornia owes my business a good chunk of chain...yet they have the nerve to bill me for next year.

In fact, the state bureaucracy is such that they'll spend money to print up a statement, place it in an envelop, then pay for postage...all for a $1.00 yearly fee for employee record's notice...Makes sense doesn't it?

125 albusteve  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 7:00:53pm

re: #119 avanti

Now that the death panel thing is old news, they need to find another part of the bill to lie about and scare folks. Bury the other side in lies faster than they can respond seems the plan of attack.

the entire bill sucks...it's not about the lies, it's about the antiAmerican socialism...you are on the losing side no matter how much you rave one point or another...micro focused

126 JCM  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 7:01:02pm

re: #115 Killian Bundy

Nuke-nobbler raygun 747 scores 'surrogate' test success

/never fear though, Obama will cancel it

Unproven technology!

///

127 victor_yugo  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 7:01:07pm

re: #120 austin_blue

Funny! I have always seen each new release of the Windows OS as the new and improved Yugo.

The embarrassing thing is, I'm a lifelong "Peanuts" fan, and I'm not the one who thought of the analogy.

128 NY Nana  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 7:02:30pm

re: #111 Killgore Trout

OT, but did you see this, about Shah Rukh Khan?

It was on the news here earlier.

129 Odahi  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 7:03:52pm

We won't have anything to bury in the back yard. IRS will deduct the money from your paycheck before you ever see it.

130 Killian Bundy  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 7:04:02pm

NASA's moon plan too ambitious, Obama panel says

NASA doesn't have nearly enough money to meet its goal of putting astronauts back on the moon by 2020 -- and it might be the wrong place to go, anyway. That's one of the harsh messages emerging from a sweeping review of NASA's human space flight program.

The Human Space Flight Plans Committee, appointed by President Barack Obama and headed by retired aerospace executive Norman Augustine, has been trying to stitch together some kind of plausible strategy for America's manned space program. The panel has struggled to find options that stay under the current budget and include missions worthy of the cost and effort.

The committee members will meet with administration officials Friday and will report that there is no realistic way to get Americans back on the moon by the target date of 2020, which has been the agency's goal since President George W. Bush signed off on the ``Vision for Space Exploration'' in 2004. Landing on the moon by 2020 would require such drastic budgetary maneuvers as de-orbiting the International Space Station -- crashing it into the South Pacific -- in 2016.

. . .

The ``program of record'' -- NASA's current strategy -- has not fared well in the committee's review. Former astronaut Sally Ride, a member of the panel, said the gap between NASA's goals and its current budget totals roughly $50 billion by 2020. If the space station's life is extended for five years, she said, the current budget would allow for the completion of a heavy-boost moon rocket only in 2028, and that would be without spending money on developing the components of a lunar base.

$50 billion, these assholes can spend a trillion dollars on Democrat pet projects and call it "stimulus", but they can't come up with a paltry $50 billion to go back to the moon?

/OBAMA SPENT MORE THAN $50 BILLION BAILING OUT HIS UAW BUDDIES AT GM AND CHRYSLER!

131 JCM  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 7:05:23pm

re: #130 Killian Bundy

NASA's moon plan too ambitious, Obama panel says

$50 billion, these assholes can spend a trillion dollars on Democrat pet projects and call it "stimulus", but they can't come up with a paltry $50 billion to go back to the moon?

/OBAMA SPENT MORE THAN $50 BILLION BAILING OUT HIS UAW BUDDIES AT GM AND CHRYSLER!

Dustoff the old sound stage and make us all feel good about ourselves again. Is that too much to ask?

;-P

132 David Simon  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 7:05:33pm

re: #112 albusteve

the IRS owes me around 8k...they won't pay off til I beat them in court...what's my net?...the IRS is bigtime, they can strangle you with costs and they do

I don't know the particulars of your situation, but it's not out of the realm of possibilities that they really do owe you that money. Just out of curiosity, did you file a Tax Court petition? For that sum, the judge will usually refer it to Appeals. No attorney necessary. (Of course, the IRS Appeals officer can be a complete imbecile as well).

133 albusteve  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 7:06:13pm

re: #122 victor_yugo

Have you contacted your Congresscritter's office? Mine came through for me in 2002.

no...I turned myself in for not filing and delinquent on a small amt of tax two years ago..they pulled up my records (my 3 in thick pile was of no significance)...I was willing to pay the penalty in time incarcerated to erase the due...they said they'd get back with me but never have...I am on hold with two different issues...I have not contacted the feds...this has been going on for years

134 Caboose  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 7:06:32pm

re: #113 austin_blue

Cause hanging him from a tree would have killed the actor but made the point clearer? I just kind of feel that any time you put a black man in bondage, you are making reference to an unfortunate period in our history when humans were property.

You mean like right now, where Arabs are still selling black Africans into slavery?

I've seen a lot more pictures of white folks in stocks that black folks and it was for punishment and humiliation, not because they were property (but they don't teach that in school no more...)

Zero-bama has no slavery in his background, at least no US slavery that he can claim victimhood to or to blame on Mr. Charlie. His sperm donor came to these shores of his own free will.

135 TedStriker  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 7:07:48pm

re: #130 Killian Bundy

NASA's moon plan too ambitious, Obama panel says

$50 billion, these assholes can spend a trillion dollars on Democrat pet projects and call it "stimulus", but they can't come up with a paltry $50 billion to go back to the moon?

/OBAMA SPENT MORE THAN $50 BILLION BAILING OUT HIS UAW BUDDIES AT GM AND CHRYSLER!

Billions trillions for bailouts, not a dime for the moon!

/Obama-nauts

136 NJDhockeyfan  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 7:07:50pm

re: #130 Killian Bundy

NASA's moon plan too ambitious, Obama panel says

$50 billion, these assholes can spend a trillion dollars on Democrat pet projects and call it "stimulus", but they can't come up with a paltry $50 billion to go back to the moon?

/OBAMA SPENT MORE THAN $50 BILLION BAILING OUT HIS UAW BUDDIES AT GM AND CHRYSLER!

There aren't any voters on the moon.

137 JCM  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 7:09:38pm

re: #136 NJDhockeyfan

There aren't any voters on the moon.

Send ACORN, that'll get the mission approved.

138 albusteve  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 7:10:04pm

re: #132 David Simon

I don't know the particulars of your situation, but it's not out of the realm of possibilities that they really do owe you that money. Just out of curiosity, did you file a Tax Court petition? For that sum, the judge will usually refer it to Appeals. No attorney necessary. (Of course, the IRS Appeals officer can be a complete imbecile as well).

my appeal was denied, and when I moved from one state to another NM said I had to refile...good grief

139 David Simon  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 7:11:00pm

re: #121 JCM

The IRS decided I worked a full year for an employer I never did. And owed all the taxes on the $50,000 I never earned.

Took me months, and money out of my pocket to prove to their satisfaction I had not in fact worked for the company.

Ooh, that's rough. Someone can file a W-2 or a 1099 in your name and SS #, and you're in for the battle of you life. Again, you need to petition the Tax Court (if you can't get the asshole to amend the tax reporting form).

140 avanti  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 7:11:18pm

re: #136 NJDhockeyfan

There aren't any voters on the moon.

I'd rather they save the space station then go back to the moon.

141 austin_blue  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 7:11:36pm

re: #128 NY Nana

OT, but did you see this, about Shah Rukh Khan?

It was on the news here earlier.

It was discussed on the earlier thread. Like i said then, it would be like Tom Hanks being detained in Mumbai because his "name was on a computer" of the Security Service. He is the most famous actor in South Asia.

142 austin_blue  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 7:13:16pm

re: #134 Caboose

You mean like right now, where Arabs are still selling black Africans into slavery?

I've seen a lot more pictures of white folks in stocks that black folks and it was for punishment and humiliation, not because they were property (but they don't teach that in school no more...)

Zero-bama has no slavery in his background, at least no US slavery that he can claim victimhood to or to blame on Mr. Charlie. His sperm donor came to these shores of his own free will.

Well, we *are* talking about the BNP here...

143 JCM  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 7:15:02pm

re: #139 David Simon

Ooh, that's rough. Someone can file a W-2 or a 1099 in your name and SS #, and you're in for the battle of you life. Again, you need to petition the Tax Court (if you can't get the asshole to amend the tax reporting form).

I got it straightened out.

My beef is, I was guilty to the IRS, garnishment, credit report dings, the whole enchilada. No due process was I had to on my own hook prove to them I didn't earn that money. There was proceedings where they had their evidence and I had mine. I started out convicted.

I wasn't earning any where near $50k.

144 David Simon  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 7:15:33pm

re: #123 rain of lead

Your bank, your broker, your employer et al all file reporting forms with the IRS. The salient point is not that the IRS is being given scary new powers; it's that Obama and the Dem congress are going to force everyone to buy health insurance, and are going to do it in an unfair way.

145 NY Nana  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 7:15:48pm

re: #141 austin_blue

It was discussed on the earlier thread. Like i said then, it would be like Tom Hanks being detained in Mumbai because his "name was on a computer" of the Security Service. He is the most famous actor in South Asia.

Thanks! I was made aware of who he is on the newsradio station I have on all the time, as since it was in NJ, they highlighted it.

It wasn't on the TV news that we watch, though, and that surprised me.

I haven't posted very much today, and must have totally missed the thread.

146 JCM  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 7:15:57pm

re: #143 JCM

I got it straightened out.

My beef is, I was guilty to the IRS, garnishment, credit report dings, the whole enchilada. No due process was I had to on my own hook prove to them I didn't earn that money. There was proceedings where they had their evidence and I had mine. I started out convicted.

I wasn't earning any where near $50k.

PIMF, no proceedings...

147 Killgore Trout  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 7:21:53pm

re: #128 NY Nana

Yeah I saw that. I wonder how he got added to the list. It's not a common name and he's about a moderate politically/religiously as you can get. Somebody messed up.

148 Buck  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 7:27:03pm

I might be the only lizard who LIKES MICROSOFT.

I remember when O/S software cost hundreds of dollars. (Anyone else remember SCO Unix?)

I remember when there were dozens of versions, and programs cost a lot because there had to be multiple versions for different o/s.

I look at Apple as monopolistic in the classic sense. A lot more so than MS.

I think it is a lot easier to make O/S software when you completely control the hardware, and don't have to worry about old applications working. It is nice to be able to leave the former user base behind (ask Zombie)...

Sure, VISTA is not as good as 7, but VISTA is better than XP. AND it is expected that each O/S will be better than the last.

Apple has some great stuff (although I think there are better mp3 players) BUT Microsoft has some cool stuff coming (Project Natal) and I would not count them out so quick.

149 JCM  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 7:29:22pm

re: #148 Buck

I might be the only lizard who LIKES MICROSOFT.

I remember when O/S software cost hundreds of dollars. (Anyone else remember SCO Unix?)

I remember when there were dozens of versions, and programs cost a lot because there had to be multiple versions for different o/s.

I look at Apple as monopolistic in the classic sense. A lot more so than MS.

I think it is a lot easier to make O/S software when you completely control the hardware, and don't have to worry about old applications working. It is nice to be able to leave the former user base behind (ask Zombie)...

Sure, VISTA is not as good as 7, but VISTA is better than XP. AND it is expected that each O/S will be better than the last.

Apple has some great stuff (although I think there are better mp3 players) BUT Microsoft has some cool stuff coming (Project Natal) and I would not count them out so quick.

This was a paid Microsoft advertisement...

// ;-P

150 Syrah  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 7:38:11pm

re: #123 rain of lead

The Senate bill imposes a new requirement that all persons who provide health care coverage to others must file a return with the IRS listing the names, addresses, social security numbers, and the coverage period for each person, and "such other information as the Secretary [of Health and Human Services] may prescribe." (Section 161(b) starting at page 107). The bill does not limit what information the Secretary may request, so it is conceivable and likely that information as to the nature of the coverage, the family members included, and other details will be reported to the IRS.

This information is to be provided to the IRS for good reason. The House bill provides for a tax on people who do not have acceptable coverage at "any time" during the tax year. House bill section 401 provides for a new section 59B (at pp. 167-168) of the Internal Revenue Code:

The reporting requirements can only be understood in this tax context. In order to know which taxpayers to tax, the IRS needs to know which taxpayers do not have coverage received from someone else (normally, an employer).

does any of this make you feel all warm and fuzzy

That is merely the nose of a camel nudging under the tent. Pay it no mind.

151 Buck  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 7:39:58pm

re: #123 rain of lead

The Senate bill imposes a new requirement that all persons who provide health care coverage to others must file a return with the IRS listing the names, addresses, social security numbers, and the coverage period for each person, and "such other information as the Secretary [of Health and Human Services] may prescribe." (Section 161(b) starting at page 107).

Well that would make illegals less likely to qualify.

152 Locker  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 7:50:58pm

Cool I normally buy tech stuff via amazon any way since they let us skate on the tax here in CA. I'll use the link for my pre-order when I grab my copy. I can't wait as I do not like Vista even though I'm normally MS friendly.

153 Dar ul Harb  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 8:54:14pm

Just coincidentally, I'm currently installing the Windows 7 Release Candidate on my rebuilt home theater PC.

154 Dar ul Harb  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 9:21:15pm

re: #153 Dar ul Harb

It's built on an ASUS P5N7A-VM motherboard, with onboard NVIDIA GeForce 9300 graphics (HDMI and optical SPDIF out), with a 3.0 GHz Pentium D (Presler) dual-core (hope to move to Core 2 Duo one of these days), and 2 GB Crucial Ballistix DDR2 PC6400, and two 1TB SATA 300 hard drives (Seagate, I think). Cooling the processor is a rather enormous Zalman CNPS9500 AT copper heatsink fan, and the PSU is a 650 watt Antec EarthWatts ATX12V (this is my first PCI-E build, and I was a little chagrined that I had to go out and buy a new power supply).

The HTPC software is Sage TV, and I'll be using a USB 2.0 -based Hauppauge HV PVR and WinTV HVR-1600 PCI card for video capture.

155 realwest  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 9:45:05pm

Hey y'all - good morning to you! Uh, on the Amazon page there's a line that says: "Buy Windows Vista Today, Get Windows 7 for $9.99"
Can this tech-tard reasonably assume that Windows 7 will be compatible with Vista?!

156 Dar ul Harb  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 10:17:28pm

re: #155 realwest

Hey y'all - good morning to you! Uh, on the Amazon page there's a line that says: "Buy Windows Vista Today, Get Windows 7 for $9.99"
Can this tech-tard reasonably assume that Windows 7 will be compatible with Vista?!

You mean, as in, you'll be able to reasonably painlessly upgrade from Vista to Windows 7? I suppose.

(Currently, I'm hunting for my product activation key that came with the release candidate download. Grrr.)

157 Dar ul Harb  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 10:19:19pm

The install is otherwise went well (I'm installing hardware specific drivers from the ASUS website right now.)

158 Dar ul Harb  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 10:19:34pm

is

159 realwest  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 10:20:35pm

re: #156 Dar ul Harb
Thanks Dar!

160 rwielaard  Sun, Aug 16, 2009 12:02:26am

MS _ which has yet to make software I like _ gets rave reviews. Again. We are in trouble!

161 PSGInfinity  Sun, Aug 16, 2009 6:06:07am

re: #155 realwest

Hey y'all - good morning to you! Uh, on the Amazon page there's a line that says: "Buy Windows Vista Today, Get Windows 7 for $9.99"
Can this tech-tard reasonably assume that Windows 7 will be compatible with Vista?!

That's a damn good question... And I'm a tech!
:)

162 Inzax  Sun, Aug 16, 2009 9:07:14am

I believe you can still down load RC 7 for free (release candidate) and use it for a year without a license.

[Link: search.microsoft.com...]

163 tai-pan  Sun, Aug 16, 2009 10:16:32am

the only time I ever had trouble with Vista was when I used a single core processor. The installation process of Windows 7 has a simple upgrade feature as long as you're going from Vista.re: #45 Gella

164 tai-pan  Sun, Aug 16, 2009 10:18:13am

re: #162 Inzax
with a Technet subscription you can download the RTM

165 Dr. Shalit  Sun, Aug 16, 2009 12:27:43pm

re: #6 Sharmuta

We installed it on half the work computers and it looks pretty good. No complaints from the tech guys at all. They like it.

Sharmuta -

Waiting for two copies, a $49.95 32 bit Home Premium and a "freeb" upgrade 64 bit Home Premium. Suspect both will be here and installed by Thanksgiving - if not Halloween. From what I've seen, a worthwhile upgrade from Vista. My XP machines, however I will leave "as is." The Notebook would be marginal running 7, the desktop has too much sensitive information to take a chance on a "Clean Install" scenario at this point.

-S-

166 jpkoch  Mon, Aug 17, 2009 8:31:59am

I've usually avoided the OS wars. My first few years in IT was with Macs (OS 8-OS-9; Apple talk and Novel Netware), but I've been supporting Windoze the last 6 or 7 years. It is ironic that with Windows 2008 Server Enterprise MS is now going back to the command shell. Part of my current job is supporting the MS Virtual Server environment. In this context, I do most of my support via scripts and Console Management snap-ins, and rarely touch the GUI.

I also vaguely remember MS version of Unix -does anyone remember Xenix? MS shelved Xenix when they believed the wave of the future was the GUI; their short lived partnership with IBM and OS/2 to develop a network OS was a drive in this direction. In those days, firms were either using Novel Netware or SCO-Unix, or SunOS.

167 ghost ryder  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 12:56:41pm

I have the Win7 Ultimate RTM (MSDN member) installed on two PC's and love it. Much more responsive and user friendly than Vista.


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