Pamela Geller’s Obama-Hitler Obsession

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There’s a lot of talk in the media today about the Obama-as-Hitler signs and posters showing up at town hall meetings recently; for example, this post at the New York Times Opinionator blog by Eric Etheridge: Godwin’s Law Comes to the Town Halls.

A noteworthy paragraph quotes shriekblogger Pamela Geller’s site, where she wrote that the Hitler signs are a conspiracy to make the right look bad:

Another theory has is that folks carrying the Obama/Hitler signs are Democratic plants. Pamela Geller wrote yesterday at Atlas Shrugs, there is a “fifth column manufacturing smears and lies.” Others on the right have tried to use confirmed reports that Lyndon LaRouche supporters are sporting Obama/Hitler posters at protests to distance themselves from the Obama-is-a-Nazi charge.

I had to laugh when I read this, because Geller herself is one of the most deranged and relentless “Obama is Hitler!” screechers on the Internet, and there’s no need to manufacture any “smears and lies” to prove it. She’s a one-woman campaign to make the right look crazy, and she’s doing a damned fine job of it.

Just check out this Google search of her site for pages that contain both words “Obama” and “Hitler,” with about 1,250 results.

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554 comments
1 brookly red  Sun, Aug 16, 2009 1:13:20pm

/but I thought she liked nazis...

2 Sharmuta  Sun, Aug 16, 2009 1:15:12pm

She's delusional.

3 jorline  Sun, Aug 16, 2009 1:15:30pm

Obama-Hitler
Bush-Hitler
Cheney-Hitler

Enough with the Hitler shit!

4 Sheila Broflovski  Sun, Aug 16, 2009 1:15:33pm

Sidebar ads promote J Crew and The Danbury Mint Michelle Obama Porcelain Doll.

Oh my eyes!

5 HelloDare  Sun, Aug 16, 2009 1:15:57pm

There is no need for a plot to make the right look bad when there are Pamela Geller's running around screaming.

6 Sheila Broflovski  Sun, Aug 16, 2009 1:16:29pm

When everybody is "just like Hitler" then the horror of what Hitler actually did is negated. These people who compare everybody to Hitler are the same as Holocaust deniers.

7 Sharmuta  Sun, Aug 16, 2009 1:16:48pm

re: #5 HelloDare

OMG!1!! She's a conspiracy against herself!

8 HelloDare  Sun, Aug 16, 2009 1:17:14pm

re: #4 Alouette

Sidebar ads promote J Crew and The Danbury Mint Michelle Obama Porcelain Doll.

Oh my eyes!

Do the arms on the Michelle doll flex? That would be a big selling point.

9 Sheila Broflovski  Sun, Aug 16, 2009 1:17:20pm

The Michelle doll costs "only" $158.00

10 jones  Sun, Aug 16, 2009 1:17:29pm

With all Obama's incompetence and lying, why go on a hitler (or Birther) goose-chase. Focus on the many targets he is giving his foes.

And leave crazy at home. It is like pawn hunting in chess.

11 wahabicorridor  Sun, Aug 16, 2009 1:18:00pm

This from a facist groupie? Oh, the irony...

12 The Left  Sun, Aug 16, 2009 1:18:10pm

I'm always compelled to mention, whenever Atlas Shrieks is mentioned, that everyone knows what pops up when you google shrieking harpy, right?

With or without quotes.

BTW, go thank a lefty pr prog blog commenter today for that.

13 SixDegrees  Sun, Aug 16, 2009 1:18:36pm

There's a special tag for "shrieking harpy"?

Outstanding.

14 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Aug 16, 2009 1:19:11pm

Obama is Obama, and that's bad enough.

15 solomonpanting  Sun, Aug 16, 2009 1:20:05pm

re: #6 Alouette

When everybody is "just like Hitler" then the horror of what Hitler actually did is negated. These people who compare everybody to Hitler are the same as Holocaust deniers.

Or, they're like those who cry "holocaust" after Jenin or anytime Israel defends itself.

16 HelloDare  Sun, Aug 16, 2009 1:20:32pm

That gold nude figure at the top of Geller's blog looks like the hood ornament on the crazymobile.

17 Cato the Elder  Sun, Aug 16, 2009 1:20:57pm

The hysterical drunkblogger Geller
Has tatas that dazzle a feller.
Otherwise, please explain
How a man with a brain
Like John Bolton's ends up with this yeller.

18 The Left  Sun, Aug 16, 2009 1:21:24pm

re: #13 SixDegrees

There's a special tag for "shrieking harpy"?

Outstanding.

Google bomb, baby. :)

For years now.

Say what you will about 'teh left', we kick ass in grass roots efforts, especially internet ones, especially utterly juvenile ones.

heh.

19 EaterOfFood  Sun, Aug 16, 2009 1:21:38pm

What was it Andy Warhol said? In the future, everyone will be Hitler for 15 minutes?

20 brookly red  Sun, Aug 16, 2009 1:22:13pm

re: #17 Cato the Elder

The hysterical drunkblogger Geller
Has tatas that dazzle a feller.
Otherwise, please explain
How a man with a brain
Like John Bolton's ends up with this yeller.

if you wrote that I am impressed.

21 HelloDare  Sun, Aug 16, 2009 1:22:21pm

re: #17 Cato the Elder

The hysterical drunkblogger Geller
Has tatas that dazzle a feller.
Otherwise, please explain
How a man with a brain
Like John Bolton's ends up with this yeller.

Yes, but could she run a dog pound?

22 Ojoe  Sun, Aug 16, 2009 1:22:23pm

Politics is fast becoming the land of the deranged & with only two parties this is perhaps inevitable.

Time for a new, big centrist party in the USA.

23 jorline  Sun, Aug 16, 2009 1:22:49pm

Pamela need to find work in Amsterdam...perhaps one of those quaint shops on main street with the big picture windows.

24 [deleted]  Sun, Aug 16, 2009 1:22:49pm
25 DEZes  Sun, Aug 16, 2009 1:23:30pm

re: #21 HelloDare

Yes, but could she run a dog pound?

She belongs in the pound, Old Geller is rabid.

26 Cato the Elder  Sun, Aug 16, 2009 1:23:31pm

re: #18 iceweasel

Google bomb, baby. :)

For years now.

Say what you will about 'teh left', we kick ass in grass roots efforts, especially internet ones, especially utterly juvenile ones.

heh.

Soros was asking for you this morning. We're cooking up a plot to make Sarah look smart so the GOPers will nominate her in 2012.

I said it couldn't be done, but he wanted to check with you first.

27 Sharmuta  Sun, Aug 16, 2009 1:24:34pm

pamela geller is the poster girl for the right-wing Rules for Radicals.

You do what you can with what you have and clothe it with moral garments.

28 Cato the Elder  Sun, Aug 16, 2009 1:24:48pm

re: #20 brookly red

if you wrote that I am impressed.

Under two minutes.

Like shooting wolf cubs from a helicopter.

29 Ojoe  Sun, Aug 16, 2009 1:25:10pm

No-one compares anyone to Mao

30 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Aug 16, 2009 1:25:19pm

re: #23 jorline

Pamela need to find work in Amsterdam...perhaps one of those quaint shops on main street with the big picture windows.

GAAHH!

31 [deleted]  Sun, Aug 16, 2009 1:25:43pm
32 midwestgak  Sun, Aug 16, 2009 1:26:11pm

re: #26 Cato the Elder

Soros was asking for you this morning. We're cooking up a plot to make Sarah look smart so the GOPers will nominate her in 2012.

Once again you utter her name in an unrelated thread. sheesh.

33 Cato the Elder  Sun, Aug 16, 2009 1:26:44pm

re: #29 Ojoe

No-one compares anyone to Mao

Or Pol Pot. How many intellectuals do you have to kill before you get a little respect?

34 jorline  Sun, Aug 16, 2009 1:26:47pm

re: #30 Slumbering Behemoth

GAAHH!

lmao

35 MandyManners  Sun, Aug 16, 2009 1:26:50pm

From one vacuous blonde to another.

36 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Aug 16, 2009 1:26:54pm

re: #29 Ojoe

No-one compares anyone to Mao

Not true. A Chinese-American colleague of a relative of mine's actually did compare a hostile supervisor to Mao.

My relative pointed out that a Jewish girl would have said Stalin, but she got the idea.

37 solomonpanting  Sun, Aug 16, 2009 1:27:12pm

re: #31 buzzsawmonkey

Unless they're also carrying Miracle Whips.

You're beating a dead whore...

38 mich-again  Sun, Aug 16, 2009 1:27:26pm

Here is one case where an "Obama - Hitler" sign at a Town Hall meeting was indeed the work of a Democratic stooge. BUSTED!: "Obama As Hitler" Poster Was A Democrat/Union Plant At John Dingell Townhall! UPDATED with video interview! Funny how the NYT left that piece of the story out. Didn't fit the message and besides we all know that its not actual news when a blogger breaks the story. As for Pam, she's stuck on Permiggy.

39 Ojoe  Sun, Aug 16, 2009 1:27:46pm

re: #36 SanFranciscoZionist

Good for your colleague.

40 The Left  Sun, Aug 16, 2009 1:28:23pm

re: #26 Cato the Elder

Soros was asking for you this morning. We're cooking up a plot to make Sarah look smart so the GOPers will nominate her in 2012.

I said it couldn't be done, but he wanted to check with you first.

I'd be delighted to work on Palin's campaign. DEE-LIH-TED.

Nothing can make her look smart. But you don't need that to win a nomination.

BIBLE SPICE 2012! W00t!

41 jorline  Sun, Aug 16, 2009 1:28:23pm

re: #32 midwestgak

They're called wet dreams. :)

42 Sharmuta  Sun, Aug 16, 2009 1:29:08pm

In war the end justifies almost any means.

43 HelloDare  Sun, Aug 16, 2009 1:30:33pm

This is reallly hard to believe. Just posted in the Spinoffs.

Click on the letter.

Barbara Boxer can't spell her own name.

44 midwestgak  Sun, Aug 16, 2009 1:30:56pm

re: #41 jorline

They're called wet dreams. :)

To dream . . . the impossible dream . . .
To fight . . . the unbeatable foe . . .

45 Sharmuta  Sun, Aug 16, 2009 1:31:22pm

Concern with ethics increases with the number of means available and vice versa.

46 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Aug 16, 2009 1:31:35pm

re: #40 iceweasel

I'd be delighted to work on Palin's campaign. DEE-LIH-TED.

Nothing can make her look smart. But you don't need that to win a nomination.

BIBLE SPICE 2012! W00t!

You guys, STOP IT. I try so hard to be the nice, reasonable moderate liberal around here, and then you start making fun of Sarah, and it's like a dog trying to sit and stay while the other dogs are playing in the sprinklers. Not fair!

47 Wendya  Sun, Aug 16, 2009 1:32:27pm

re: #3 jorline

Enough with the Hitler shit!


If you can't make your point about his policies without comparing him personally to Hitler, you need to just shut the hell up.

48 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Aug 16, 2009 1:32:47pm

re: #43 HelloDare

This is reallly hard to believe. Just posted in the Spinoffs.

Click on the letter.

Barbara Boxer can't spell her own name.

I think that's just a hasty signature.

I used to have a boss who essentially signed with a squiggly line, making it very easy to forge his sig on things when he was out of the office for the day.

49 Wendya  Sun, Aug 16, 2009 1:32:57pm

re: #43 HelloDare

This is reallly hard to believe. Just posted in the Spinoffs.

Click on the letter.

Barbara Boxer can't spell her own name.

How hard is it to spell bitch?

50 jorline  Sun, Aug 16, 2009 1:33:14pm

re: #47 Wendya

If you can't make your point about his policies without comparing him personally to Hitler, you need to just shut the hell up.

amen and a ding

51 NY Nana  Sun, Aug 16, 2009 1:33:18pm

re: #4 Alouette

Eye wash and also clean your browser. Feh!

52 Truck Monkey  Sun, Aug 16, 2009 1:33:32pm

re: #28 Cato the Elder

Under two minutes.

Like shooting wolf cubs from a helicopter.

Or like beating baby harp seals with clubs?

53 Ojoe  Sun, Aug 16, 2009 1:33:34pm

re: #49 Wendya

Too snarky

BBL

54 Locker  Sun, Aug 16, 2009 1:33:35pm

OT but funny. Thanks McSpiff.

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A US widow is auctioning off the burial plot occupied by her late husband above that of film legend Marilyn Monroe, the Los Angeles Times newspaper says.

55 Wendya  Sun, Aug 16, 2009 1:34:33pm

re: #40 iceweasel

Nothing can make her look smart.

When you hate someone, you're not inclined to see anything they do or say as "smart".

56 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Aug 16, 2009 1:35:34pm

re: #55 Wendya

When you hate someone, you're not inclined to see anything they do or say as "smart".

True. For all of us, on both sides of the aisle.

Unless you see them as fiendishly clever, of course.

57 SummerSong  Sun, Aug 16, 2009 1:35:39pm

Seriously? "An intimate evening"? No, thanks. No.

[Link: atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com...]

58 The Left  Sun, Aug 16, 2009 1:35:55pm

re: #46 SanFranciscoZionist

You guys, STOP IT. I try so hard to be the nice, reasonable moderate liberal around here, and then you start making fun of Sarah, and it's like a dog trying to sit and stay while the other dogs are playing in the sprinklers. Not fair!

Oh poo. I always feel like I'm being nice about Bible Spice. :(

Don't want you to be the only one not frolicking in the sprinklers. I'll sit out here with you.

59 The Shadow Do  Sun, Aug 16, 2009 1:36:04pm

How much of the Sarah is stupid meme a consequence of her accent? Is this any different than GWB's IQ assessment being directly proportional to his accent and malapropisms?

I don't think she is stupid at all by the way, not at all. I do think she is too thin skinned and quick to ire to seriously contend for the presidency however.

60 Cato the Elder  Sun, Aug 16, 2009 1:36:04pm

re: #46 SanFranciscoZionist

You guys, STOP IT. I try so hard to be the nice, reasonable moderate liberal around here, and then you start making fun of Sarah, and it's like a dog trying to sit and stay while the other dogs are playing in the sprinklers. Not fair!

I know, and we're all like, "c'mon, you know you wanna" and you're like "but the ACORN trainer told me to stay on the porch" and we go "but you're a dawg" and you whine and give in and next thing you know Soros is coming at us all with tie-out leashes and crates for the pack leaders and muttering something about "keeping it under wraps until the plan calls for it" and...sheesh...I hate this crate!

61 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Aug 16, 2009 1:36:31pm

re: #58 iceweasel

Oh poo. I always feel like I'm being nice about Bible Spice. :(

Don't want you to be the only one not frolicking in the sprinklers. I'll sit out here with you.

Awww. Thanks IW!

62 [deleted]  Sun, Aug 16, 2009 1:36:43pm
63 Locker  Sun, Aug 16, 2009 1:36:43pm

re: #46 SanFranciscoZionist

You guys, STOP IT. I try so hard to be the nice, reasonable moderate liberal around here, and then you start making fun of Sarah, and it's like a dog trying to sit and stay while the other dogs are playing in the sprinklers. Not fair!

Ditto.

64 Killgore Trout  Sun, Aug 16, 2009 1:37:03pm

It wouldn't be so bad if it was just Crazy Pam but this mentality is pervasive on the right these days. They want to promote the Nirth Certifikit and when it makes them look stupid they blame the left. They want to call Obama a Nazi and blame leftist plants when it starts to look bad. They want to side with extremists and issue death threats to politicians of healthcare reform and then blame the politicians for not appearing in public anymore. I'll be very happy when the right becomes sane again but I'm not holding my breath..

65 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Aug 16, 2009 1:37:22pm

re: #60 Cato the Elder

I know, and we're all like, "c'mon, you know you wanna" and you're like "but the ACORN trainer told me to stay on the porch" and we go "but you're a dawg" and you whine and give in and next thing you know Soros is coming at us all with tie-out leashes and crates for the pack leaders and muttering something about "keeping it under wraps until the plan calls for it" and...sheesh...I hate this crate!

HOWL.

So to speak.

66 Wendya  Sun, Aug 16, 2009 1:37:26pm

re: #53 Ojoe

Too snarky

BBL

I don't know, her exchange with Brig. Gen. Michael Walsh and her comments about well dressed protesters peeled the facade off her carefully crafted image.

67 wahabicorridor  Sun, Aug 16, 2009 1:37:51pm

re: #60 Cato the Elder

LOL!

68 Sharmuta  Sun, Aug 16, 2009 1:38:41pm

re: #64 Killgore Trout

She's the cheerleader for the crazy train, and folks are buying tickets to ride.

Very sad.

69 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Aug 16, 2009 1:39:35pm

re: #64 Killgore Trout

We need a janitorial crew in hazmat suits to clean house. Gotta take care of that beam before we can start pointing out other's splinters.

70 father_of_10  Sun, Aug 16, 2009 1:39:42pm

I like Pam geller. I think there is more than enough going on with the socialist Democrats to go after the foes of freedom than to bother with Geller. The Democts/socialists/statists love it when we go after some that is (mostly) on our side.

71 jorline  Sun, Aug 16, 2009 1:39:56pm

re: #47 Wendya

If you can't make your point about his policies without comparing him personally to Hitler, you need to just shut the hell up.

Everyone is compared to Hitler now days...sounds like a fucking game show.

"Name That Hitler"...well Johnny, I can name that Hitler in two notes.

"Hitler For A Day"

"Who Wants To Be A Hitler-Aire"

72 Racer X  Sun, Aug 16, 2009 1:39:57pm

Interesting.

The left is blaming the right for calling Obama Hitler. Then we see democrats holding Obama=Hitler signs trying to make the right look bad.

Hmmm...

73 Killgore Trout  Sun, Aug 16, 2009 1:40:38pm

re: #68 Sharmuta

She's still pushing the very questionable story about the teen girl and the honor killing threat.

74 avanti  Sun, Aug 16, 2009 1:40:41pm

re: #38 mich-again

Here is one case where an "Obama - Hitler" sign at a Town Hall meeting was indeed the work of a Democratic stooge. BUSTED!: "Obama As Hitler" Poster Was A Democrat/Union Plant At John Dingell Townhall! UPDATED with video interview! Funny how the NYT left that piece of the story out. Didn't fit the message and besides we all know that its not actual news when a blogger breaks the story. As for Pam, she's stuck on Permiggy.

That link was busted last week, the guy with the LaRouche postres was handing out Lyndon LaRouche flyers, not Dingles.

75 Shiplord Kirel  Sun, Aug 16, 2009 1:40:53pm

As we have seen many times, the media culture and its various political fronts; the "peace" movement, Green and Democrat Parties, etc.; own the opposition=Hitler trope.
Their real objection is not that the analogy is false (they have no conception of "true" and "false") but that their territory has been violated.

76 father_of_10  Sun, Aug 16, 2009 1:40:55pm

re: #64 Killgore Trout

It wouldn't be so bad if it was just Crazy Pam but this mentality is pervasive on the right these days. They want to promote the Nirth Certifikit and when it makes them look stupid they blame the left. They want to call Obama a Nazi and blame leftist plants when it starts to look bad. They want to side with extremists and issue death threats to politicians of healthcare reform and then blame the politicians for not appearing in public anymore. I'll be very happy when the right becomes sane again but I'm not holding my breath..

You mean when it becomes more like the left?

77 The Left  Sun, Aug 16, 2009 1:41:05pm

re: #56 SanFranciscoZionist

True. For all of us, on both sides of the aisle.

Unless you see them as fiendishly clever, of course.

Which is exactly what Richard Hofstader said in The Paranoid Style In American Politics, in 1964:

The enemy is clearly delineated: he is a perfect model of malice, a kind of amoral superman—sinister, ubiquitous, powerful, cruel, sensual, luxury-loving. Unlike the rest of us, the enemy is not caught in the toils of the vast mechanism of history, himself a victim of his past, his desires, his limitations. He wills, indeed he manufactures, the mechanism of history, or tries to deflect the normal course of history in an evil way. He makes crises, starts runs on banks, causes depressions, manufactures disasters, and then enjoys and profits from the misery he has produced. The paranoid’s interpretation of history is distinctly personal: decisive events are not taken as part of the stream of history, but as the consequences of someone’s will. Very often the enemy is held to possess some especially effective source of power: he controls the press; he has unlimited funds; he has a new secret for influencing the mind (brainwashing); he has a special technique for seduction (the Catholic confessional).
It is hard to resist the conclusion that this enemy is on many counts the projection of the self; both the ideal and the unacceptable aspects of the self are attributed to him.

The essay continues to be, even 40+ years later, the best explanation for what is happening on the american Right at this minute.

78 Sharmuta  Sun, Aug 16, 2009 1:41:30pm

re: #73 Killgore Trout

She's still pushing the very questionable story about the teen girl and the honor killing threat.

That's preacher seems a bit creepy.

79 wahabicorridor  Sun, Aug 16, 2009 1:41:52pm

re: #70 father_of_10

Sorry, nobody who cozies up to facists is on my side.

80 Killgore Trout  Sun, Aug 16, 2009 1:41:59pm

re: #69 Slumbering Behemoth

I think house cleaning is out of the question at this point. The inmates have the asylum and we have to let things run their course.

81 SixDegrees  Sun, Aug 16, 2009 1:42:00pm

re: #18 iceweasel

Google bomb, baby. :)

For years now.

Say what you will about 'teh left', we kick ass in grass roots efforts, especially internet ones, especially utterly juvenile ones.

heh.

I was talking about the tag Charles set up, noted just below the lead-in for this thread.

But the Google Bomb is worthy, too.

82 Cato the Elder  Sun, Aug 16, 2009 1:42:05pm

re: #70 father_of_10

I like Pam geller. I think there is more than enough going on with the socialist Democrats to go after the foes of freedom than to bother with Geller. The Democts/socialists/statists love it when we go after some that is (mostly) on our side.

Admit it, you're just dazzled by the tatas.

83 Sharmuta  Sun, Aug 16, 2009 1:42:33pm

re: #82 Cato the Elder

Bikini vlogging works.

84 Killgore Trout  Sun, Aug 16, 2009 1:43:11pm

re: #78 Sharmuta

That's preacher seems a bit creepy.

And the girl doesn't understand what an honor killing is. I find it very doubtful that she was raised in a devout Muslim household.

85 NY Nana  Sun, Aug 16, 2009 1:43:16pm

I have one question: why the heck does anyone read her shit?

/Time is a terrible thing to waste.

86 wahabicorridor  Sun, Aug 16, 2009 1:43:16pm

re: #73 Killgore Trout

She's still pushing the very questionable story about the teen girl and the honor killing threat.


Hi KT. I haven't heard about this - can you fill me in?

87 solomonpanting  Sun, Aug 16, 2009 1:43:35pm

re: #62 buzzsawmonkey

Given Belafonte's high regard for his buddy Fidel, your lyrics make for a smooth transition.

88 Sharmuta  Sun, Aug 16, 2009 1:44:09pm

re: #84 Killgore Trout

They're not from a fundamentalist country.

89 Locker  Sun, Aug 16, 2009 1:44:19pm

re: #82 Cato the Elder

Admit it, you're just dazzled by the tatas.

My "pam geller naked" google did NOT work out as well as my "jenny mccarthy naked" effort.

90 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Aug 16, 2009 1:44:55pm

re: #70 father_of_10

We can't effectively fight the "foes of freedom" when loony tunes on our side are constantly handing them "fish in a barrel" targets.

The crazies make us look bad, and make it damn near impossible to point out the faults of our opposition when we appear to have so many of our own.

Better to clean your own house first before you go about criticizing the cleanliness of your neighbor's home.

91 Cato the Elder  Sun, Aug 16, 2009 1:45:07pm

re: #73 Killgore Trout

She's still pushing the very questionable story about the teen girl and the honor killing threat.

I'm not sure which is greater, my admiration for your going to these sites or my worry about your sanity after too much exposure to vodka breath.

92 [deleted]  Sun, Aug 16, 2009 1:45:49pm
93 Locker  Sun, Aug 16, 2009 1:46:17pm

re: #90 Slumbering Behemoth

We can't effectively fight the "foes of freedom" when loony tunes on our side are constantly handing them "fish in a barrel" targets.

The crazies make us look bad, and make it damn near impossible to point out the faults of our opposition when we appear to have so many of our own.

Better to clean your own house first before you go about criticizing the cleanliness of your neighbor's home.

Well, maybe just avoid pointing out faults in the first place. Try to find some moderate opposition and work together to marginalize the dorks on each end. Ok so it's just a happy fantasy but still...

94 Cato the Elder  Sun, Aug 16, 2009 1:46:18pm

re: #90 Slumbering Behemoth

We can't effectively fight the "foes of freedom" when loony tunes on our side are constantly handing them "fish in a barrel" targets.

The crazies make us look bad, and make it damn near impossible to point out the faults of our opposition when we appear to have so many of our own.

Better to clean your own house first before you go about criticizing the cleanliness of your neighbor's home.

Agreed. But I'm not concerned with what's in my neighbors' homes, but the dumps they take in public.

95 sattv4u2  Sun, Aug 16, 2009 1:46:51pm

re: #70 father_of_10

I like Pam geller. I think there is more than enough going on with the socialist Democrats to go after the foes of freedom than to bother with Geller. The Democts/socialists/statists love it when we go after some that is (mostly) on our side.

Going against the tide, I give you an upding.

NOT for the "I like Pam,,,"

Rather for the very last sentence.

96 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Aug 16, 2009 1:47:04pm

re: #89 Locker

I, for one, am quite grateful.

97 Killgore Trout  Sun, Aug 16, 2009 1:47:18pm

re: #86 wahabicorridor

Hi KT. I haven't heard about this - can you fill me in?

Apocalyptic Pastor Claims to be Protecting ex-Muslim Teenage Runaway
It's a pretty fishy story.

98 father_of_10  Sun, Aug 16, 2009 1:47:32pm

re: #90 Slumbering Behemoth

We can't effectively fight the "foes of freedom" when loony tunes on our side are constantly handing them "fish in a barrel" targets.

The crazies make us look bad, and make it damn near impossible to point out the faults of our opposition when we appear to have so many of our own.

Better to clean your own house first before you go about criticizing the cleanliness of your neighbor's home.

The other side never bother to clean their own house. They embrace the crazies and the fringes and never concern themselves with how that looks. the best offense is a not a good defense, but a relentless offense. We are so concerned about playing nice, being defensive and looking good that are never effective.

99 jorline  Sun, Aug 16, 2009 1:47:39pm

Pamela's favorite breakfast cereal.

1) Fruit Loops
2) Banana Nut Granola
3) Fiber One

I didn't know there were this many cereals.

100 Sharmuta  Sun, Aug 16, 2009 1:48:09pm

re: #92 buzzsawmonkey

Tu quoque. This isn't about the left's messy house, this is about ours. Just because the left has issues doesn't mean we can use it as an excuse to ignore ours, and every time I see an argument pointing to the left, that's what I think. A tuquoque excuse to not look in the mirror.

101 Wendya  Sun, Aug 16, 2009 1:48:11pm

re: #94 Cato the Elder

Agreed. But I'm not concerned with what's in my neighbors' homes, but the dumps they take in public.

You resent the competition?

102 Sharmuta  Sun, Aug 16, 2009 1:48:48pm

re: #98 father_of_10

Not an excuse to keep kooks.

103 Killgore Trout  Sun, Aug 16, 2009 1:49:05pm

re: #97 Killgore Trout

The girl gives a rather strange interpretation of what an “honour killing” is for; rather than being the remedy for a perceived dishonour suffered by a family, she tells the journalist that to kill her would be an especially ”great honour” because she is the the first Christian in her family for “150 generations” and it would show her family’s love for Allah (Lorenz concurs with a “yes” at 5:03). This seems to me to be a garbled “Christianized” understanding of the phenomenon, making it into something like a human sacrifice. Her claim that Muslim converts to Christianity in Sri Lanka (where Muslims are a minority) are confined to a mental hospital is not one that I have seen reported anywhere else.

104 Locker  Sun, Aug 16, 2009 1:49:30pm

re: #98 father_of_10

The other side never bother to clean their own house. They embrace the crazies and the fringes and never concern themselves with how that looks. the best offense is a not a good defense, but a relentless offense. We are so concerned about playing nice, being defensive and looking good that are never effective.

I think it's a mistake to believe this, just as one person on the left. It seems just as many on the moderate left are embarrassed by and want to be rid of the fringe left as their are on the moderate right. Folks aren't really that different imo.

105 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Aug 16, 2009 1:50:01pm

re: #84 Killgore Trout

And the girl doesn't understand what an honor killing is. I find it very doubtful that she was raised in a devout Muslim household.

The kid's name is Rivka?

106 father_of_10  Sun, Aug 16, 2009 1:50:33pm

re: #102 Sharmuta

Not an excuse to keep kooks.

I didn't say keep her, I'm saying we should not waste our time in going after her and condemning her. We should should concentrate on going after the commies and the socialists and the statists and the enemies of the constitution.

107 LeslieG  Sun, Aug 16, 2009 1:50:34pm

The Left sure sure wasn't worried about how their Hitler-Bush comparisons would make them look. Indeed, they wore it as a badge of courage.

108 Killgore Trout  Sun, Aug 16, 2009 1:50:50pm

re: #105 SanFranciscoZionist

Rifqa Bary.

109 The Left  Sun, Aug 16, 2009 1:51:24pm

re: #100 Sharmuta

Tu quoque. This isn't about the left's messy house, this is about ours. Just because the left has issues doesn't mean we can use it as an excuse to ignore ours, and every time I see an argument pointing to the left, that's what I think. A tuquoque excuse to not look in the mirror.

Well you know how it is. Monkeys throw shit. It's all they can do.

110 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Aug 16, 2009 1:51:47pm

re: #98 father_of_10

If you think adopting the crazier tactics of the opposition is preferable to taking the path of sane adults, I suggest you go ahead and join the leftists. Behaving as they do makes you no better than them.

111 Killgore Trout  Sun, Aug 16, 2009 1:51:47pm

re: #106 father_of_10


We should should concentrate on going after the commies and the socialists and the statists and the enemies of the constitution.


Don't include me in your "we".

112 sattv4u2  Sun, Aug 16, 2009 1:52:01pm

re: #104 Locker

I think it's a mistake to believe this, just as one person on the left. It seems just as many on the moderate left are embarrassed by and want to be rid of the fringe left as their are on the moderate right. Folks aren't really that different imo.

Show me where the "moderate left' vocally condemned the crazies like Code Pink, Cindy Sheehans, Goerge Soro's et al when they were "embarrased" by the formers actions

113 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Aug 16, 2009 1:52:15pm

re: #108 Killgore Trout

Rifqa Bary.

Interesting. I've never seen it used as an Arabic name before.

114 Killgore Trout  Sun, Aug 16, 2009 1:52:44pm

re: #113 SanFranciscoZionist

I think the family is from Sri Lanka.

115 father_of_10  Sun, Aug 16, 2009 1:52:47pm

re: #111 Killgore Trout

Don't include me in your "we".

You don't think we should go after the commies and the socialists and the statists and the enemies of the constitution?

116 wahabicorridor  Sun, Aug 16, 2009 1:53:26pm

re: #97 Killgore Trout

Apocalyptic Pastor Claims to be Protecting ex-Muslim Teenage Runaway
It's a pretty fishy story.


I'll say. But THIS is the best part.

However, Robert Spencer – fresh from scrubbing details of the bogus “mass paedo wedding in Gaza” tale from his website

HAHAHAHAHA!

117 Shiplord Kirel  Sun, Aug 16, 2009 1:54:16pm

re: #107 LeslieG

The Left sure sure wasn't worried about how their Hitler-Bush comparisons would make them look. Indeed, they wore it as a badge of courage.

Given that most of "the left" is in open collusion with Jew-haters who openly advocate a new Holocaust, the PA, they have a vested interest in de-valuing the memory of the Third Reich and its monstrous crimes.

118 albusteve  Sun, Aug 16, 2009 1:54:18pm

re: #109 iceweasel

Well you know how it is. Monkeys throw shit. It's all they can do.

pathetic snipe

119 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Aug 16, 2009 1:54:49pm

re: #106 father_of_10

Many people are capable of multi-tasking. If we are going to make any headway, win any elections, we need to take care of the problems in our own tent, not ignore them.

120 sattv4u2  Sun, Aug 16, 2009 1:55:12pm

re: #118 albusteve

pathetic snipe

noun or verb?

:)

121 Flyers1974  Sun, Aug 16, 2009 1:55:23pm

re: #59 The Shadow Do

How much of the Sarah is stupid meme a consequence of her accent? Is this any different than GWB's IQ assessment being directly proportional to his accent and malapropisms?

I don't think she is stupid at all by the way, not at all. I do think she is too thin skinned and quick to ire to seriously contend for the presidency however.

I don't think it's the accent. And I don't think most of her critics think that she is literally stupid. I do think such criticisim is related to the gulf between her VP candidacy and the hope that she would be an unbeatable POTUS candidate on the one hand and reality on the other hand - which in my opinion is that she has worked hard to remake herself into a cartoon character.

122 Cato the Elder  Sun, Aug 16, 2009 1:55:27pm

re: #98 father_of_10

The other side never bother to clean their own house. They embrace the crazies and the fringes and never concern themselves with how that looks. the best offense is a not a good defense, but a relentless offense. We are so concerned about playing nice, being defensive and looking good that are never effective.

I think you overestimate how many people here are on your "side", if you include sociopathic child abuse as perpetrated by Pam in some of her vlogs among the tactics you consider "relentless offense" in the cause, whatever cause that is. Perhaps you would be happier somewhere else.

Relentlessly offensive she is indeed. Maybe you can't tell the difference.

123 The Shadow Do  Sun, Aug 16, 2009 1:55:45pm

Tiger vs. Yang?

Huh?

124 Digital Display  Sun, Aug 16, 2009 1:55:59pm

re: #115 father_of_10

You don't think we should go after the commies and the socialists and the statists and the enemies of the constitution?

Not if Pamela is your Joan of Ark leading the attack...
It matters who your Allies are..It really does...

125 Coracle  Sun, Aug 16, 2009 1:56:06pm

re: #107 LeslieG

The Left sure sure wasn't worried about how their Hitler-Bush comparisons would make them look. Indeed, they wore it as a badge of courage.

Yeah, that's right. Every single one of 'em.
/

126 Killgore Trout  Sun, Aug 16, 2009 1:56:16pm

re: #115 father_of_10

I think we should go after ethnic nationalists, neo-nazis, extremists, conspiracy theorists of all stripes. I have no interest in your personal bizarre interpretations of what's Constitutional and what's not.

127 Sharmuta  Sun, Aug 16, 2009 1:56:43pm

re: #106 father_of_10

I didn't say keep her, I'm saying we should not waste our time in going after her and condemning her. We should should concentrate on going after the commies and the socialists and the statists and the enemies of the constitution.

She's empowering our enemies with her kookiness! They can say- look at this crazy, and without us condemning it, it will be used to tar all of us!

128 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Aug 16, 2009 1:57:17pm

re: #121 Flyers1974

I don't think it's the accent. And I don't think most of her critics think that she is literally stupid. I do think such criticisim is related to the gulf between her VP candidacy and the hope that she would be an unbeatable POTUS candidate on the one hand and reality on the other hand - which in my opinion is that she has worked hard to remake herself into a cartoon character.

The accent isn't the problem. The total lack of gravitas is the problem.

Bill Clinton played his accent UP. Didn't hurt him any.

129 Sharmuta  Sun, Aug 16, 2009 1:57:18pm

re: #115 father_of_10

You don't think we should go after the commies and the socialists and the statists and the enemies of the constitution?

Fascist enablers ARE enemies of our Constitution!

130 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sun, Aug 16, 2009 1:57:41pm

Adolph Hitler was a worse man than Barack Obama.

Gosh, I'm smart.

131 The Shadow Do  Sun, Aug 16, 2009 1:57:49pm

re: #121 Flyers1974

...which in my opinion is that she has worked hard to remake herself into a cartoon character

huh?

132 [deleted]  Sun, Aug 16, 2009 1:57:58pm
133 MacDuff  Sun, Aug 16, 2009 1:58:20pm

During coverage of the '68 Democratic Convention, Gore Vidal called William F Buckley a "crypto-Nazi", to which Buckley famously replied "Stop calling me a crypto-Nazi or I'll sock you in the goddamn face and you' stay plastered."
Buckley later apologized, but explained:

"Can such men understand the anger in others? Understand the special reverence we need to feel for that which is hateful? I do not believe that anyone thought me a Nazi because Vidal called me one, but I do believe that everyone who heard him call me one without a sense of shock, without experiencing anger, think more tolerantly about Nazism than one he did, than even now he should."

I can say nothing more succinctly than that on this subject; from WFB's lipes to God's ears.

134 father_of_10  Sun, Aug 16, 2009 1:58:59pm

re: #122 Cato the Elder

I think you overestimate how many people here are on your "side", if you include sociopathic child abuse as perpetrated by Pam in some of her vlogs among the tactics you consider "relentless offense" in the cause, whatever cause that is. Perhaps you would be happier somewhere else.

Relentlessly offensive she is indeed. Maybe you can't tell the difference.

Are you suggesting that I am not good enough to be on LGF?

135 sattv4u2  Sun, Aug 16, 2009 1:59:06pm

re: #130 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Adolph Hitler was a worse man than Barack Obama.

Gosh, I'm smart.

C'mere

I wanna give you a birfday punch

136 Charles Johnson  Sun, Aug 16, 2009 1:59:34pm

re: #133 MacDuff

During coverage of the '68 Democratic Convention, Gore Vidal called William F Buckley a "crypto-Nazi", to which Buckley famously replied "Stop calling me a crypto-Nazi or I'll sock you in the goddamn face and you' stay plastered."
Buckley later apologized, but explained:

"Can such men understand the anger in others? Understand the special reverence we need to feel for that which is hateful? I do not believe that anyone thought me a Nazi because Vidal called me one, but I do believe that everyone who heard him call me one without a sense of shock, without experiencing anger, think more tolerantly about Nazism than one he did, than even now he should."

I can say nothing more succinctly than that on this subject; from WFB's lipes to God's ears.

Note that Buckley was deeply embarrassed about lashing out at Vidal, and considered it a personal failure.

137 Cato the Elder  Sun, Aug 16, 2009 1:59:39pm

re: #134 father_of_10

Are you suggesting that I am not good enough to be on LGF?

Draw your own clownclusions.

138 The Left  Sun, Aug 16, 2009 1:59:57pm

re: #132 buzzsawmonkey

Since you have decided to frame the issue in terms of "messy houses," the raising of Hofstadter in this instance was akin to somebody in a Sixties commercial coming over to sneer at her neighbor's choice of dishwashing liquid.

Clean your house.

Or, you know, don't.

PALIN 2012!

139 yochanan  Sun, Aug 16, 2009 2:00:33pm

re: #38 mich-again

Here is one case where an "Obama - Hitler" sign at a Town Hall meeting was indeed the work of a Democratic stooge. BUSTED!: "Obama As Hitler" Poster Was A Democrat/Union Plant At John Dingell Townhall! UPDATED with video interview! Funny how the NYT left that piece of the story out. Didn't fit the message and besides we all know that its not actual news when a blogger breaks the story. As for Pam, she's stuck on Permiggy.

a little astroturfing fascist plants by dingleberry?

140 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Aug 16, 2009 2:00:43pm

re: #129 Sharmuta

As are theocrats, dominionists, conspiracy mongers... well, you get the idea. We can not claim to have any credibility if we refuse to denounce the incredible.

141 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Aug 16, 2009 2:01:09pm

re: #136 Charles

Note that Buckley was deeply embarrassed about lashing out at Vidal, and considered it a personal failure.

True. But he was a person of generally impeccable manners, who set a high moral standard for himself.

We need more of those.

142 The Left  Sun, Aug 16, 2009 2:02:12pm

re: #141 SanFranciscoZionist

True. But he was a person of generally impeccable manners, who set a high moral standard for himself.

We need more of those.

Indeed. On both sides of the aisle.

143 sattv4u2  Sun, Aug 16, 2009 2:02:42pm

re: #140 Slumbering Behemoth

As are theocrats, dominionists, conspiracy mongers... well, you get the idea. We can not claim to have any credibility if we refuse to denounce the incredible.

And we do here, on a daily basis

That does NOT mean we shouldn't point out the "crazy" on the other side!

At times, some here bristle at that because there are nut cases on our side.

144 solomonpanting  Sun, Aug 16, 2009 2:02:59pm

re: #136 Charles

Note that Buckley was deeply embarrassed about lashing out at Vidal, and considered it a personal failure.

But it does not detract from his explanation.

145 MacDuff  Sun, Aug 16, 2009 2:03:05pm

re: #136 Charles

Note that Buckley was deeply embarrassed about lashing out at Vidal, and considered it a personal failure.

He absolutely did; he lost his characteristic "cool" and felt extreme remorse. The point I was trying to make was his "explanation" which, I feel is relevant to this ongoing Nazi BS that's being used on both sides.

146 Wendya  Sun, Aug 16, 2009 2:03:47pm

re: #112 sattv4u2

Show me where the "moderate left' vocally condemned the crazies like Code Pink, Cindy Sheehans, Goerge Soro's et al when they were "embarrased" by the formers actions

I don't think they looked at them as being representative of the entire democrat party. They didn't support them, nor did they speak out about them. They just ignored the kooks.

147 sattv4u2  Sun, Aug 16, 2009 2:04:14pm

re: #146 Wendya

I don't think they looked at them as being representative of the entire democrat party. They didn't support them, nor did they speak out about them. They just ignored the kooks.

Yet we're vilified for NOT ignoring "ours"

148 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sun, Aug 16, 2009 2:04:33pm

For the longest time, WFB sounded like such an incredible snob (to me) that I ignored most of what he said. I am so glad so much of what he said was chronicled.

But I have to read everything he said three or four times to understand what the hell he said, anyway.

Well, except for the punching threat. I pretty much picked up on that one the first read.

149 yochanan  Sun, Aug 16, 2009 2:04:42pm

re: #136 Charles

Note that Buckley was deeply embarrassed about lashing out at Vidal, and considered it a personal failure.

frankly if he had socked him in the nose for it I WOULD HAVE UNDERSTOOD.

someone today said that those who compare American politicans to Nazi's are into a kind of Holocaust denials sort of like saying the Holocaust wasn't so bad we can even call American presidents Nazi's and get away with it.

150 father_of_10  Sun, Aug 16, 2009 2:04:42pm

I say ignore Pam and go after the Dems and the socialists. Ignore this war that is brewing between Atlas Shrugs and LGF. Ignore her. Ignore her site.

Interesting that if someone is not lock-step with the anti-Gellers, Cato wants them to go away? Grow up.

151 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Aug 16, 2009 2:04:43pm

re: #143 sattv4u2

That does NOT mean we shouldn't point out the "crazy" on the other side!

By all means, it certainly does not. We should be doing both, effectively.

152 Locker  Sun, Aug 16, 2009 2:04:47pm

re: #112 sattv4u2

Show me where the "moderate left' vocally condemned the crazies like Code Pink, Cindy Sheehans, Goerge Soro's et al when they were "embarrased" by the formers actions

Ok after you show me where the "moderate right" vocally condems Fox News. Not so easy when the other side defines what your side's "fringe" is right? If you think my statement is without merit and you are all good guys and we are all bad guys that's fine. I fully support your right to do so.

Personally I do NOT understand the enormous amounts of energy each "side" expends in proving to itself that it is morally superior. It doesn't change the fact that one of your folks can criticize Glen Beck and I can criticize PETA.

These statements are about people. Individuals. Not who you say my voice is or who I say your voice is but our actual voices. Doesn't it get kind of transparent that the "public voices" for both sides are so interested in combat?

The amount of respect that comes from denouncing ones own radical fringe is evident in my current presence here. This site is a hand extended, even in the face of harsh criticism from the rabid faithful. If my efforts don't count because I am only one person and not a news network or blog host it cannot be helped.

153 sattv4u2  Sun, Aug 16, 2009 2:04:55pm

re: #146 Wendya

re: #147 sattv4u2

Yet we're vilified for NOT ignoring "ours"

NOT that we should ignore "ours", mind you

Just making a point

154 Sharmuta  Sun, Aug 16, 2009 2:05:12pm

re: #150 father_of_10

No- fascist enablers need exposing.

155 Cato the Elder  Sun, Aug 16, 2009 2:05:26pm

re: #150 father_of_10

I say ignore Pam and go after the Dems and the socialists. Ignore this war that is brewing between Atlas Shrugs and LGF. Ignore her. Ignore her site.

Interesting that if someone is not lock-step with the anti-Gellers, Cato wants them to go away? Grow up.

Don't put words in my mouth. I'd like you to stay around until you melt down.

156 Shiplord Kirel  Sun, Aug 16, 2009 2:05:28pm

re: #130 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Adolph Hitler was a worse man than Barack Obama.

Gosh, I'm smart.

For NOW at least (cue opening notes of Beethoven's Fifth Symphony).
But just wait till he sends the US Army and his Obammunist/ACORN militia out to grab our guns and confiscate our food caches and cart our children away to gay and lesbian indoctrination centers and toss us into cattle cars for the hellish trip to the Rocky Mountain Gulag on the secret underground railways he's building under the guise of "shovel-ready" make work!
OH THE HUMANITY!!

157 sattv4u2  Sun, Aug 16, 2009 2:06:17pm

re: #152 Locker

Ok after you show me where the "moderate right" vocally condems Fox News.

hehehe ,,, GREAT lefty debate tactic. I challenge you to dirwectly do somethibng, your response is "you 1st"

wow ,, just ,,, wow

158 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sun, Aug 16, 2009 2:06:46pm

re: #156 Shiplord Kirel

Heh. Okay. At least until then...

Adolph Hitler was a worse man than Barack Obama.

159 [deleted]  Sun, Aug 16, 2009 2:06:49pm
160 Wendya  Sun, Aug 16, 2009 2:07:01pm

re: #147 sattv4u2

Yet we're vilified for NOT ignoring "ours"

There is nothing "fair" about politics.

All you can do is not let yourself be associated with them. Neither party can prevent nuts from attaching themselves.

161 sattv4u2  Sun, Aug 16, 2009 2:07:05pm

re: #150 father_of_10

hmmm,, I'm starting to re-think that updind!

162 father_of_10  Sun, Aug 16, 2009 2:07:34pm

re: #155 Cato the Elder

Don't put words in my mouth. I'd like you to stay around until you melt down.

I don't know pal. I've been around about as long as you have and haven't melted down yet. Besides, I live in southern AZ and can handle a lot heat.

163 _RememberTonyC  Sun, Aug 16, 2009 2:07:38pm

the only contemporary people that should be compared to hitler are the islamists, Israel bashers, and neo nazis. they are the true admirers of hitler and would love to pick up where the nazis left off. Obama is not hitler. Bush was not hitler. khamenei, nasrallah, hamas members, and ahmadinejad? they're close.

164 Sharmuta  Sun, Aug 16, 2009 2:09:18pm

re: #159 buzzsawmonkey

If you will pardon my borrowing from another tradition, if "tu quoque" bothers you I suggest you give Jesus a resounding kick, since it was he who cautioned against those who obsess over the mote in their fellow's eye while ignoring the beam in their own.

This makes absolutely no sense as I'm the one supporting cleaning our house and ignoring the mote of the left. You're kicking Jesus perhaps?

165 Locker  Sun, Aug 16, 2009 2:09:24pm

re: #157 sattv4u2

Ok after you show me where the "moderate right" vocally condems Fox News.

hehehe ,,, GREAT lefty debate tactic. I challenge you to dirwectly do somethibng, your response is "you 1st"

wow ,, just ,,, wow

My response is "I reject your definition of my fringe". Are you deliberately ignoring that?

166 callahan23  Sun, Aug 16, 2009 2:09:24pm

re: #163 _RememberTonyC

the only contemporary people that should be compared to hitler are the islamists, Israel bashers, and neo nazis. they are the true admirers of hitler and would love to pick up where the nazis left off. Obama is not hitler. Bush was not hitler. khamenei, nasrallah, hamas members, and ahmadinejad? they're close.

Damn close !

167 Locker  Sun, Aug 16, 2009 2:09:53pm

re: #160 Wendya

There is nothing "fair" about politics.

All you can do is not let yourself be associated with them. Neither party can prevent nuts from attaching themselves.

Well said.

168 Cato the Elder  Sun, Aug 16, 2009 2:10:04pm

re: #162 father_of_10

I don't know pal. I've been around about as long as you have and haven't melted down yet. Besides, I live in southern AZ and can handle a lot heat.

No doubt. I look forward to jousting with you as long as you care to stick it out.

Checked your avatar, by the way. I've got equivalent arms. But I suspect that your enemies are not coterminous with my own, and when it comes down to it my aim may wander in your direction. Just fair warning.

169 sattv4u2  Sun, Aug 16, 2009 2:10:39pm

re: #165 Locker

My response is "I reject your definition of my fringe". Are you deliberately ignoring that?

So you say that Code Pink, Cindy Sheehan and George Soroe are your MAINSTREAM?!?!

Ya wanna go with that, do ya !?!?!?

170 [deleted]  Sun, Aug 16, 2009 2:10:42pm
171 HelloDare  Sun, Aug 16, 2009 2:10:46pm

Of Mailer and Murder
by Theodore Dalrymple

On a recent visit to New Zealand, I happened across a book that I had long intended to read, In the Belly of the Beast, by Jack Henry Abbott. (Before the advent of the Internet, which equalised world prices, New Zealand used to be the best place in the English-speaking world for second-hand books.)

The name probably faintly rings a bell. He was a career criminal, and had spent the vast majority of his life in penal institutions of one kind or another. At the time he first wrote to Norman Mailer, he was serving a sentence of up to nineteen years for having killed another inmate. Previously, he had broken out of jail and robbed a bank. For whatever reason, he was not a good man.

Mailer was much taken, however, by his literary ability, his prose style and his thoughts (among other things, he was a communist, and was of the opinion that the American penal system was far worse than that of the Soviet Union, even in the time of Stalin). Mailer supported Abbott’s appeal for parole, and Abbott was duly released. His book was published, he became for a short while the lion of the New York literary scene, a kind of interesting specimen (a petty criminal would have been of no interest, of course), until, a couple of days prior to the publication of the favourable review of his book in the New York Review of Books, he killed again, only six weeks after his release. His victim was a young man, an aspiring writer, who was working temporarily as a waiter, with whom Abbott had an impulsive quarrel. He stabbed him with a knife that he ‘happened’ to have on him.

Abbott was on the run for a short while, but then returned to prison where, about twenty years later, he hanged himself. In his only other book, called My Return, he argued that he could not have intended to kill the young waiter, because he stabbed him only once, and a man like him would have stabbed him many times had he intended to kill him. This was not the argument of a good man.

In fact, there was a passage in his first book, In the Belly of the Beast, that might have alerted Mailer and others to his penchant for stabbing people. It describes how prisoners take revenge in prisons. It is worth quoting in full;

Here is how it is: You are both alone in his cell. You’ve slipped
out a knife (eight- to ten-inch blade, double-edged). You’re
holding it beside your leg so he can’t see it. The enemy is
smiling and chattering away about something. You see his eyes:
Green-blue, liquid. He thinks you’re his fool: he trusts you. You
see the spot. It’s a target between the second and third button on
his shirt. As you calmly talk and smile, you move your left foot
to the side to step across his right-side body length. A light
pivot toward him with your right shoulder and the world turns
upside down: you have sunk the knife to its hilt into the middle
of his chest. Slowly he begins to struggle for his life. As he
sinks, you will have to kill him fast or get caught. He will say
“Why?” Or “No!” Nothing else. You can feel his life trembling
through the knife in your hand. It almost overcomes you, the
gentleness of the feeling at the center of a coarse act of murder.
172 HelloDare  Sun, Aug 16, 2009 2:10:51pm
You’ve pumped the knife several times without even being aware
of it. You go to the floor with him to finish him. It is like cutting
hot butter, no resistance at all. They always whisper one thing at
the end: “Please.” You get the odd impression that he is no
imploring you not to harm him, but to do it right. If he says your
name it softens your resolve. You go into a mechanical stupor of
sorts. Things register in slow motion because all your senses are
drawn to a new height. You leave him in the blood, staring with
dead eyes. You strip in your cell and destroy your clothing,
flushing it down the toilet. You throw the knife away. You jump
under the showers. Your clarity returns.

No doubt the first thing that struck Mailer about this passage was its quality as prose. It is very graphic. But the words, after all, are those of a murderer, and suggest more than a merely vivid imagination. It would have been as wise to take them literally as it proved to be foolish not to have taken the words of Mein Kampf literally. But Mailer lived in a world (that of radical politics protected by a bourgeois order) in which words never really meant what they said or said what they really meant, in which moral exhibitionism was the highest good and the sine qua non of the regard of one‘s peers. So safe were they in their literary enclave that reality didn’t matter much; what counted was the ability to use words in the approved fashion, and truth was nowhere.

Ten years later, Mailer indirectly recognised his mistake, saying that the Abbott episode was not one of which he was proud.

173 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sun, Aug 16, 2009 2:11:13pm

re: #164 Sharmuta

You're kicking Jesus perhaps?

I'm kickin' it with Jesus, yo. He's my homey.

174 [deleted]  Sun, Aug 16, 2009 2:11:17pm
175 sattv4u2  Sun, Aug 16, 2009 2:11:19pm

re: #170 tamlin

CLEAN UP ON AILSE 170

176 yochanan  Sun, Aug 16, 2009 2:11:22pm

calling any american pol. a nazi is just wrong even RAT PUKANAN as much as i think he is a neo fascist he still isn't snicklegruber.

i don't find any nazi jokes to be funny. ANY OF THEM.

NOW if you want to call the zero SOCIALIST, I think that is fair game as the deff. of socialism is rather broad including every thing from euro social democrats (the NDP and the left wing of the american democrat party clearly fit ) to groups on the far left that are marxian socialists.

the zero's policies and those of social democrats are the same.

177 Shiplord Kirel  Sun, Aug 16, 2009 2:11:35pm

re: #163 _RememberTonyC

the only contemporary people that should be compared to hitler are the islamists, Israel bashers, and neo nazis. they are the true admirers of hitler and would love to pick up where the nazis left off. Obama is not hitler. Bush was not hitler. khamenei, nasrallah, hamas members, and ahmadinejad? they're close.

There is a very fortunate difference: Some of the old Nazis were evil geniuses, their present-day counterparts are just evil.

178 The Shadow Do  Sun, Aug 16, 2009 2:11:49pm

re: #146 Wendya

I don't think they looked at them as being representative of the entire democrat party. They didn't support them, nor did they speak out about them. They just ignored the kooks.

Who attended the Daily KOS convention, who sat next to an ex-president at a National convention, etc etc etc

179 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sun, Aug 16, 2009 2:11:58pm

re: #170 tamlin

First!

180 Locker  Sun, Aug 16, 2009 2:12:16pm

re: #169 sattv4u2

So you say that Code Pink, Cindy Sheehan and George Soroe are your MAINSTREAM?!?!

Ya wanna go with that, do ya !?!?!?

Are you screaming in real life? Breath man, breath.

181 Idle Drifter  Sun, Aug 16, 2009 2:12:18pm

re: #156 Shiplord Kirel

For NOW at least (cue opening notes of Beethoven's Fifth Symphony).
But just wait till he sends the US Army and his Obammunist/ACORN militia out to grab our guns and confiscate our food caches and cart our children away to gay and lesbian indoctrination centers and toss us into cattle cars for the hellish trip to the Rocky Mountain Gulag on the secret underground railways he's building under the guise of "shovel-ready" make work!
OH THE HUMANITY!!

Not to worry Brothers and Sisters the Colorado Freeman Militia has located the FEMA camps located within Boulder, CO. We stand ready to send those tofu eating commies straight to hell as we free our people.

///

182 SixDegrees  Sun, Aug 16, 2009 2:12:19pm

re: #150 father_of_10

I say ignore Pam and go after the Dems and the socialists. Ignore this war that is brewing between Atlas Shrugs and LGF. Ignore her. Ignore her site.

Interesting that if someone is not lock-step with the anti-Gellers, Cato wants them to go away? Grow up.

It isn't a zero-sum game, an assertion that seems to be coming up frequently today.

I have no trouble condemning anyone who deserves condemnation - including Geller. Especially Geller, since she attempts to associate herself with Conservative thinking, despite her penchant for embracing some of the most repugnant and un-Conservative causes imaginable.

183 [deleted]  Sun, Aug 16, 2009 2:12:21pm
184 albusteve  Sun, Aug 16, 2009 2:12:24pm

re: #160 Wendya

There is nothing "fair" about politics.

All you can do is not let yourself be associated with them. Neither party can prevent nuts from attaching themselves.

what happens when the GOP puts up a candidate that you as well as nirthers, extremeists and kooks all support?...it's sounds good on the surface to not align yourself but it will all converge anyway, somewhere down the road...disassociation sounds good now

185 jaunte  Sun, Aug 16, 2009 2:12:33pm

Incredible being the apt term.

186 [deleted]  Sun, Aug 16, 2009 2:12:49pm
187 The Left  Sun, Aug 16, 2009 2:12:58pm

re: #159 buzzsawmonkey


"Cleaning house" is not only a necessary but an ongoing task. But for someone to suggest, as they did above, that "paranoid style" in American politics is confined in any way to one side of the aisle is simply wrong

Please. I linked one of the most famous and influential political essays of the twentieth century. Notice it's called The Paranoid Style in American Politics. Not "The Paranoid Style on the Right"

You're simply butthurt and wimpering because it does apply to how the right is acting at the moment.

Read it. You might learn something,

Or, you know, don't.

188 Sharmuta  Sun, Aug 16, 2009 2:12:58pm

re: #174 buzzsawmonkey

If you're trying to score points against another person- take your argument up with them instead of a proxy.

189 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sun, Aug 16, 2009 2:13:13pm

re: #170 tamlin

First post in five years. Wow. I at least admire your patience.

190 callahan23  Sun, Aug 16, 2009 2:13:41pm

re: #170 tamlin

... creative ion design.


Haste is a terrible thing, ay ? DOOHH ! ! !

Meltdown on # 170

191 solomonpanting  Sun, Aug 16, 2009 2:13:48pm

re: #163 _RememberTonyC

khamenei, nasrallah, hamas members, and ahmadinejad? they're close.

As regards their rhetoric, they are spot friggin' on.

192 Digital Display  Sun, Aug 16, 2009 2:14:15pm

re: #170 tamlin

In 5 years you have made exactly one post?
How fucking stupid do you think people are?
Get the hell out

193 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Aug 16, 2009 2:14:21pm

re: #181 Idle Drifter

Not to worry Brothers and Sisters the Colorado Freeman Militia has located the FEMA camps located within Boulder, CO. We stand ready to send those tofu eating commies straight to hell as we free our people.

///

The NorCal Irregulars stand with you, but we may be eating tofu as we do it.

Mmmm...tofu.

194 McSpiff  Sun, Aug 16, 2009 2:14:24pm

I think its important to note that both parties are trying to win elections. If the left/Dems can win simply by ignoring their fringe elements, with or without media support, they're lucky. However, if polling trends show that the GOP almost-but-not-quiet supporting Birhters or Palin or what have you is going to cost them an election, well, that needs to addressed. Note that im not suggesting moving away from core beliefs. Simply looking at fringe elements. You can yell at the public till you're blue in the face that the democratic fringe is at least as bad or worse then the GOP fringe, but at the end of the day I highly suspect that this will not win votes. Just my 2 cents.

195 [deleted]  Sun, Aug 16, 2009 2:14:30pm
196 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sun, Aug 16, 2009 2:14:34pm

re: #192 HoosierHoops

Hey hoops.

197 Idle Drifter  Sun, Aug 16, 2009 2:14:46pm

re: #170 tamlin

Did you forget your sarc tag?

///

198 Flyers1974  Sun, Aug 16, 2009 2:15:08pm

re: #112 sattv4u2

Show me where the "moderate left' vocally condemned the crazies like Code Pink, Cindy Sheehans, Goerge Soro's et al when they were "embarrased" by the formers actions

I don't know if the average Democrat on the street (i.e., average meaning not politically active) knew much or cared much about Code Pink, etc... . On the other hand, I think the average Republican does indeed know and care about birth certificates, etc... . In other words, in recent times, the right's crazies have had more influence than the left's crazies, on their respective parties, in my opinion. This isn't meant to suggest the left is better, or any such thing, but rather the nature of the Democratic Party. The party is made up of various coalitions which often have little in common. Therefore its hard for any particular crazy to appeal to the entire party.

199 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sun, Aug 16, 2009 2:15:12pm

re: #193 SanFranciscoZionist

The NorCal Irregulars stand with you, but we may be eating tofu as we do it.

Mmmm...tofu.


tofu. mmm.

200 Wendya  Sun, Aug 16, 2009 2:15:27pm

re: #184 albusteve

what happens when the GOP puts up a candidate that you as well as nirthers, extremeists and kooks all support?...it's sounds good on the surface to not align yourself but it will all converge anyway, somewhere down the road...disassociation sounds good now

I supported McCain, not because I liked him but because the alternative was unacceptable. Many people vote a particular way for the same reasons. As long as "my" candidate isn't giving them a seat at the table, I don't give a rat's ass who votes for them.

201 Sharmuta  Sun, Aug 16, 2009 2:15:31pm

re: #194 McSpiff

Welcome to LGF.

202 Digital Display  Sun, Aug 16, 2009 2:15:34pm

re: #196 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Hey hoops.

What up Veggie? Hope you are well!

203 Shiplord Kirel  Sun, Aug 16, 2009 2:15:35pm

re: #170 tamlin

Hey, our loss is your gain! Start your own blog where you can praise Pam, consort with Eurofascists, push Nirtherism and incite townhall riots all you like! It's easy and fun!

204 sattv4u2  Sun, Aug 16, 2009 2:15:47pm

re: #180 Locker

Are you screaming in real life? Breath man, breath.

Another great lefty debate tactic

Don't answer the question, point out some picayune grammatical/spelling/ EMPHATIC point

205 The Left  Sun, Aug 16, 2009 2:15:50pm

re: #170 tamlin

I can't believe the insipididness of this blog. Have you had a neurological accident?

If any of us did have a neurological accident, maybe then the made-up word 'insipididness' would make sense to us.

You point, on the other hand, would remain idiotic.

206 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sun, Aug 16, 2009 2:16:44pm

re: #205 iceweasel
I wonder if "Father of 10" updinged him by mistake.

207 McSpiff  Sun, Aug 16, 2009 2:17:01pm

re: #201 Sharmuta

Thanks for the welcome.

208 Locker  Sun, Aug 16, 2009 2:17:07pm

re: #198 Flyers1974

I don't know if the average Democrat on the street (i.e., average meaning not politically active) knew much or cared much about Code Pink, etc... . On the other hand, I think the average Republican does indeed know and care about birth certificates, etc... . In other words, in recent times, the right's crazies have had more influence than the left's crazies, on their respective parties, in my opinion. This isn't meant to suggest the left is better, or any such thing, but rather the nature of the Democratic Party. The party is made up of various coalitions which often have little in common. Therefore its hard for any particular crazy to appeal to the entire party.

Yea I was gonna tell him I had to google Code Pink but I wanted to make sure he was ok first.

209 Sharmuta  Sun, Aug 16, 2009 2:17:23pm

re: #207 McSpiff

Have your first karma point on me. :)

210 midwestgak  Sun, Aug 16, 2009 2:17:55pm

re: #194 McSpiff

Welcome Spiff. Good post. Keep 'em coming. :)

211 father_of_10  Sun, Aug 16, 2009 2:17:55pm

The left has far more kooks and nutjobs than the right does. They also have an unsupportable philosophy that requires the financial support of the right. As long as we continue to acquiesce and try to get along and be moderate, defensive and understanding, we will continue to lose the long game.

212 cosmicview  Sun, Aug 16, 2009 2:18:05pm

I like and appreciate Charles and I like and appreciate Pam, but them I might see the world from a different perspective.
We each have a different way to support those who oppose the obama virus, attacking those who are looking for a vaccination does not work towards a cure.
I don't feel the need to apologize for Pam anymore than I do for Charles.

213 Idle Drifter  Sun, Aug 16, 2009 2:18:16pm

re: #193 SanFranciscoZionist

The NorCal Irregulars stand with you, but we may be eating tofu as we do it.

Mmmm...tofu.

Kill the enemy, take their tofu!

214 Locker  Sun, Aug 16, 2009 2:18:29pm

re: #204 sattv4u2

Another great lefty debate tactic

Don't answer the question, point out some picayune grammatical/spelling/ EMPHATIC point

Sat, you wanna stop with that since you started all this by using the great "debating" tactic of redefining a statement then arguing against it. Of all the points I've brought up in this thread, look at what you are focused on.

215 solomonpanting  Sun, Aug 16, 2009 2:18:31pm

re: #195 buzzsawmonkey

I read the essay years ago. It has much to teach people about American Politics generally.

And it was you who applied it exclusively to the right in the post where you quoted it.

Not just to the Right, but the american Right.

216 karmic_inquisitor  Sun, Aug 16, 2009 2:18:39pm

For most people you say "Godwin" and they think "law".

For others, you say "Godwin" and they think "way of life".

217 Sharmuta  Sun, Aug 16, 2009 2:18:52pm

re: #212 cosmicview

Do you enjoy the fleas?

218 The Left  Sun, Aug 16, 2009 2:18:56pm

re: #195 buzzsawmonkey

I read the essay years ago. It has much to teach people about American Politics generally.

And it was you who applied it exclusively to the right in the post where you quoted it.

I'm sorry, I couldn't hear your point over yout high pitched butthurt squealing.

The essay applies--oh how it applies!-- to how the right is acting now.

If you'd like to argue otherwise, go for it.

219 sattv4u2  Sun, Aug 16, 2009 2:19:01pm

ALL VOTE

#170 Tamlin OUT

#194 McSpiff IN

220 callahan23  Sun, Aug 16, 2009 2:19:25pm

re: #170 tamlin

And look who is dinging it up: father_of_10

221 yochanan  Sun, Aug 16, 2009 2:19:33pm

i have read pam's blog frankly i can't see why she supports euro fascists, but there are some areas where she isn't all wrong I JUST WISH SHE WOULD STAY ON RITILIN. she sort of reminds me of one of my sons when he is off his meds.

but she sort of fits the loud mouthed new york jewish broad stero type. and i sort of think she revels in it. which isn't my style at all so i haven't read her stuff in a long time.

mostly i just put her on ignore

222 jorline  Sun, Aug 16, 2009 2:19:48pm

re: #170 tamlin

Karma: -7

tamlin

Web site URL: republicinvestigations.com

devastatingly handsome Republican

(Logged in)
Registered since: Jun 17, 2004 at 1:21 pm
No. of comments posted: 1
No. of links posted: 0

First post...WOW

Can I suggest Tamlin-flu?

223 Charles Johnson  Sun, Aug 16, 2009 2:19:52pm

I was just about to predict the first flounce at comment #170. Missed it by that much.

224 Shiplord Kirel  Sun, Aug 16, 2009 2:20:05pm

re: #181 Idle Drifter

Not to worry Brothers and Sisters the Colorado Freeman Militia has located the FEMA camps located within Boulder, CO. We stand ready to send those tofu eating commies straight to hell as we free our people.

///

Thanks for the intel, Drifter. It make sense they would locate it in a moonbat stronghold like Boulder...

225 Charles Johnson  Sun, Aug 16, 2009 2:20:19pm

re: #212 cosmicview

I don't feel the need to apologize for Pam anymore than I do for Charles.

You should.

226 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Aug 16, 2009 2:20:47pm

re: #208 Locker

Yea I was gonna tell him I had to google Code Pink but I wanted to make sure he was ok first.

They're much less well known the in mainstream Democratic world than you might think. And ANSWER is basically unknown, even to people who turned out for some of their anti-war rallies.

227 sattv4u2  Sun, Aug 16, 2009 2:20:54pm

re: #214 Locker

Sat, you wanna stop with that since you started all this by using the great "debating" tactic of redefining a statement then arguing against it. Of all the points I've brought up in this thread, look at what you are focused on.

What I'm "focused on" is trying to answer your movable goalpast questions, and trying to get a staight answer from you

228 Wendya  Sun, Aug 16, 2009 2:21:04pm

re: #211 father_of_10

The left has far more kooks and nutjobs than the right does. They also have an unsupportable philosophy that requires the financial support of the right. As long as we continue to acquiesce and try to get along and be moderate, defensive and understanding, we will continue to lose the long game.

The name of the game is winning voters to your side. I'd say the vast majority of voters aren't really engaged in politics. That means you have to appeal to them with your personality and your message, not attacks on your opponent. Vote for me because my opponent is a pinko! isn't going to sway a lot of people.

229 McSpiff  Sun, Aug 16, 2009 2:21:18pm

re: #219 sattv4u2

"In" is the good one right? ;-)

230 father_of_10  Sun, Aug 16, 2009 2:21:18pm

re: #220 callahan23

And look who is dinging it up: father_of_10

I did ding it up because I was hoping the dialog would be more productive here, not because I support a troll.

231 MacDuff  Sun, Aug 16, 2009 2:21:20pm

re: #148 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

For the longest time, WFB sounded like such an incredible snob (to me) that I ignored most of what he said. I am so glad so much of what he said was chronicled.

But I have to read everything he said three or four times to understand what the hell he said, anyway.

Well, except for the punching threat. I pretty much picked up on that one the first read.

I can see the "snob" thing, but I always respected him. He wielded his formidable vocabulary and even more formidable intellect as one would wield a weapon, yet was always a gentleman (the Vidal episode notwithstanding).

I would read his columns with the paper on one side and a dictionary on the other and learned a great deal; not only about the English language, but about the nature of Conservatism.

The likes of him we may well not see again.

232 Digital Display  Sun, Aug 16, 2009 2:21:26pm

re: #223 Charles

I was just about to predict the first flounce at comment #170. Missed it by that much.

We should have gone to Vegas this weekend Charles...:)

233 cosmicview  Sun, Aug 16, 2009 2:21:26pm

re: #183 midwestgak

Funny, I don't remember you from back then.

234 NY Nana  Sun, Aug 16, 2009 2:21:36pm

re: #150 father_of_10

'Brewing'? Hardly. She started her war against Charles nearly 2 years ago...the man she called her 'blog Daddy'. She spit in his face, and is the ultimate bitch.

Here is when she started her rantings.

I strongly suggest that you do some research before you post.

235 sattv4u2  Sun, Aug 16, 2009 2:21:44pm

re: #229 McSpiff

"In" is the good one right? ;-)

BINGO

Welcome

236 Charles Johnson  Sun, Aug 16, 2009 2:21:45pm

re: #222 jorline

Karma: -7

tamlin

Web site URL: republicinvestigations.com

devastatingly handsome Republican

(Logged in)
Registered since: Jun 17, 2004 at 1:21 pm
No. of comments posted: 1
No. of links posted: 0

First post...WOW

Can I suggest Tamlin-flu?

Now there's a sleeper for you.

237 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Aug 16, 2009 2:21:52pm

re: #211 father_of_10

The left has far more kooks and nutjobs than the right does.

Doubtful. I'd say we're neck and neck.

238 JEA62  Sun, Aug 16, 2009 2:22:10pm

Considering I read comparisons of Obama to Hitler every day on sites like americanthinker.com, Ms. Geller is full of SHIT

239 Sharmuta  Sun, Aug 16, 2009 2:22:10pm

re: #223 Charles

We need the FASCIST APOLOGIST FORM LETTER.

240 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Aug 16, 2009 2:22:34pm

re: #213 Idle Drifter

Kill the enemy, take their tofu!

Maybe they have SoyJoy bars! Or Kefir!

241 jaunte  Sun, Aug 16, 2009 2:22:40pm
"Perhaps the central situation conducive to the diffusion of the paranoid tendency is a confrontation of opposed interests which are (or are felt to be) totally irreconcilable, and thus by nature not susceptible to the normal political processes of bargain and compromise. The situation becomes worse when the representatives of a particular social interest—perhaps because of the very unrealistic and unrealizable nature of its demands—are shut out of the political process. Having no access to political bargaining or the making of decisions, they find their original conception that the world of power is sinister and malicious fully confirmed. They see only the consequences of power—and this through distorting lenses—and have no chance to observe its actual machinery."
--Richard Hofstadter
[Link: karws.gso.uri.edu...]
242 Cato the Elder  Sun, Aug 16, 2009 2:22:48pm

Tamlin's insipidity
Soon morphed into stupidity.
'Twas greeted with frigidity.
Then banned for simple idioty.

243 SixDegrees  Sun, Aug 16, 2009 2:22:57pm

Mike Ross (D) Speaks.

All good things to hear. But I'll note once more that all these concessions may lead to winning all the battles while losing the war. Keep an eye on the details.

244 NY Nana  Sun, Aug 16, 2009 2:23:09pm

re: #192 HoosierHoops

It did get the hell out, with a kick in the ass from Charles!

245 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sun, Aug 16, 2009 2:23:46pm

re: #242 Cato the Elder

That was funny right there.

246 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Aug 16, 2009 2:23:51pm

re: #221 yochanan


but she sort of fits the loud mouthed new york jewish broad stero type. and i sort of think she revels in it. which isn't my style at all so i haven't read her stuff in a long time.

mostly i just put her on ignore

I like loudmouthed New York Jewish broads. I just like them when they're saying something worth hearing.

247 yochanan  Sun, Aug 16, 2009 2:23:51pm

re: #222 jorline

someone sock is going to get the banning stick
suprise suprise

248 The Left  Sun, Aug 16, 2009 2:24:15pm

re: #239 Sharmuta

We need the FASCIST APOLOGIST FORM LETTER.

Oh my god, I never saw that before-- hilarious!

I am not a fascist apologist. Some of my best friends are
[] neo-Nazis
[] blood-and-soil Europeans
[] neo-Confederate skinheads
[] *mumble*

IN. HYSTERICS.

249 Locker  Sun, Aug 16, 2009 2:24:30pm

re: #227 sattv4u2

What I'm "focused on" is trying to answer your movable goalpast questions, and trying to get a staight answer from you

We are having two different conversations. I'm talking about people (me and my friends) and you are talking about media. If you insist on redefining and ignoring my attempts to refocus I don't really know how far we are going to get. Just saying.

250 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Aug 16, 2009 2:24:49pm

re: #225 Charles

You should.

No need to apologize, but maybe a need to clarify disagreements with.

251 father_of_10  Sun, Aug 16, 2009 2:24:50pm

re: #237 SanFranciscoZionist

Doubtful. I'd say we're neck and neck.

They certainly seem kookier to me.
nirther= Kooky
troofer=just a little kookier

252 Flyers1974  Sun, Aug 16, 2009 2:25:03pm

re: #131 The Shadow Do

huh?

In other words, she started with a lot of assets, picked from political obscurity to be VP, good looking, a ready-made image (regular person, outsider, full of common sense) and didn't capitalize. No shame there, who among us could have done better? But then she turned things into a complete circus - maybe out of desperation, maybe out of the knowledge that she isn't going to run for POTUS, so why not play to the base.

253 Digital Display  Sun, Aug 16, 2009 2:25:10pm

re: #233 cosmicview

Funny, I don't remember you from back then.

Funny...I'd don't think You'll enjoy your memories here from now on...

254 DEZes  Sun, Aug 16, 2009 2:25:14pm

re: #244 NY Nana

It did get the hell out, with a kick in the ass from Charles!

Tamlin sits scratching its head looking up from the curb it was just kicked to.

255 yochanan  Sun, Aug 16, 2009 2:25:52pm

re: #246 SanFranciscoZionist

the ones that say something worth hearing don't have to be loud.

256 Idle Drifter  Sun, Aug 16, 2009 2:26:14pm

re: #236 Charles

Now there's a sleeper for you.

It would be tempting to post Record Holders but on second thought that would only encourage them.

257 midwestgak  Sun, Aug 16, 2009 2:26:21pm

re: #233 cosmicview

Another one on aisle #233?

258 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Aug 16, 2009 2:26:30pm

re: #231 MacDuff

I can see the "snob" thing, but I always respected him. He wielded his formidable vocabulary and even more formidable intellect as one would wield a weapon, yet was always a gentleman (the Vidal episode notwithstanding).

I would read his columns with the paper on one side and a dictionary on the other and learned a great deal; not only about the English language, but about the nature of Conservatism.

The likes of him we may well not see again.

He was a snob. And a gentleman, old-school. But he was a snob about things that mattered, like clarity of thought.

Not my style, I'm more a loudmouthed New-York-descended Jewish broad, but I can dig it.

259 The Other Les  Sun, Aug 16, 2009 2:26:55pm

re: #3 jorline

Obama-Hitler
Bush-Hitler
Cheney-Hitler

Enough with the Hitler shit!


Wouldn't you like to be a Hitler too?

///

260 father_of_10  Sun, Aug 16, 2009 2:27:05pm

Compare the parades of the lefties with the parades of the righties. Use Zombie's pics to help you. Who's kookier?

261 avanti  Sun, Aug 16, 2009 2:27:13pm

re: #243 SixDegrees

Mike Ross (D) Speaks.

All good things to hear. But I'll note once more that all these concessions may lead to winning all the battles while losing the war. Keep an eye on the details.

If the left gives in on the public option and goes for a non profit co-op after dumping the "death panel", what will the right pick on next ?

262 Shug  Sun, Aug 16, 2009 2:27:23pm

tamlin

number of comments posted--- O
Karma-- minus 7.

is that a record?

263 Digital Display  Sun, Aug 16, 2009 2:27:37pm

re: #244 NY Nana

It did get the hell out, with a kick in the ass from Charles!

Awesome! Thanks Charles!
Hey Nana! Hope today finds you well

264 sattv4u2  Sun, Aug 16, 2009 2:27:45pm

re: #249 Locker

We are having two different conversations. I'm talking about people (me and my friends) and you are talking about media. If you insist on redefining and ignoring my attempts to refocus I don't really know how far we are going to get. Just saying.

In my # 112, I stated
"Show me where the "moderate left' vocally condemned the crazies like Code Pink, Cindy Sheehans, Goerge Soro's et al when they were "embarrased" by the formers actions

thus defining the "crazies" on the left

In #165 you state My response is "I reject your definition of my fringe"

265 Sharmuta  Sun, Aug 16, 2009 2:28:12pm

re: #260 father_of_10

Are you seriously saying fascists are not a threat?

266 NY Nana  Sun, Aug 16, 2009 2:28:12pm

re: #254 DEZes

Tamlin sits scratching its head looking up from the curb it was just kicked to.

Hmmm, I think there is a good chance that Tamlin landed right on the point at the top of his (?) head.

267 albusteve  Sun, Aug 16, 2009 2:28:14pm

re: #261 avanti

If the left gives in on the public option and goes for a non profit co-op after dumping the "death panel", what will the right pick on next ?

tort reform...

268 father_of_10  Sun, Aug 16, 2009 2:28:24pm

re: #261 avanti

If the left gives in on the public option and goes for a non profit co-op after dumping the "death panel", what will the right pick on next ?

Are the non-profit co-ops going to be much different from a government run insurance?

269 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Aug 16, 2009 2:28:36pm

re: #251 father_of_10

They certainly seem kookier to me.
nirther= Kooky
troofer=just a little kookier

We may have to agree to disagree.

I will grant you, though, that the Right has no one I know of who ever served in Congress to match the supreme craziness of Cynthia McKinney.

270 The Other Les  Sun, Aug 16, 2009 2:28:39pm

Tell me this isn't going too far...

The Robert C. Byrd Radio Telescope.

The Robert C. Byrd Green Bank Telescope is the world's largest fully steerable radio telescope. The Green Bank Telescope (GBT) is located at the National Radio Astronomy Observatory's site in Green Bank, Pocahontas County, West Virginia (79° 50' 23.40" W, 38° 25' 59.23" N : NAD83).

271 Wendya  Sun, Aug 16, 2009 2:28:56pm

re: #260 father_of_10

Compare the parades of the lefties with the parades of the righties. Use Zombie's pics to help you. Who's kookier?

Is that what matters to you? The other side being more kookie?

272 sattv4u2  Sun, Aug 16, 2009 2:29:02pm

re: #249 Locker

re: #264 sattv4u2

In my # 112, I stated
"Show me where the "moderate left' vocally condemned the crazies like Code Pink, Cindy Sheehans, Goerge Soro's et al when they were "embarrased" by the formers actions

thus defining the "crazies" on the left

In #165 you state My response is "I reject your definition of my fringe"

So are you denyimng that those groups are the "fringe" (as you state,,, crazies as I do)

273 Sharmuta  Sun, Aug 16, 2009 2:29:18pm

re: #271 Wendya

Is that what matters to you? The other side being more kookie?

Our kool-aid tastes better!

274 [deleted]  Sun, Aug 16, 2009 2:29:22pm
275 cosmicview  Sun, Aug 16, 2009 2:29:31pm

re: #225 Charles

Naw Charles, I don't think your shift requires any need for me to apologize. I still like you.
Wish you would find a bridge to some of the folks you cut off though over the last few months, liked it better when we were all one big happy family.
As for Pam, she just has a different style that is just acceptable as yours, some days more acceptable. But then she has remained on purpose and has a different cultural imperative.

276 The Shadow Do  Sun, Aug 16, 2009 2:29:32pm

re: #252 Flyers1974

In other words, she started with a lot of assets, picked from political obscurity to be VP, good looking, a ready-made image (regular person, outsider, full of common sense) and didn't capitalize. No shame there, who among us could have done better? But then she turned things into a complete circus - maybe out of desperation, maybe out of the knowledge that she isn't going to run for POTUS, so why not play to the base.

Uh, OK. Sarah to self: "I will strive to become a public buffoon to, to, uh appeal to uh, my base, uh, comic book lovers?
And then they will love me and elect me to uh, an editorial position at, uh Marvel Comics?"

/why didn't I think of that!

277 callahan23  Sun, Aug 16, 2009 2:30:13pm

re: #230 father_of_10

I did ding it up because I was hoping the dialog would be more productive here, not because I support a troll.

I very rarely ding-down.
What I do though is to ding up. Posts of people I like, comments I find funny, educational, morally correct, insightful, the correct reaction for the given situation (i.e. Mandys *whacks*), rants from the heart etc.
yet I cannot bring myself towards updinging of an offensive post 'just' to keep the discussion going. The Dialog was pretty productive as it was without 'tamlin's' post.
Just my two cents.

278 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Aug 16, 2009 2:30:16pm

re: #260 father_of_10

Compare the parades of the lefties with the parades of the righties. Use Zombie's pics to help you. Who's kookier?

Some days I wish Zombie had picked a different hobby.

And have you SEEN some of the parades the right has been holding recently?

279 NY Nana  Sun, Aug 16, 2009 2:30:25pm

re: #263 HoosierHoops

Aside from my sides hurting from laughing so much? ;)

280 albusteve  Sun, Aug 16, 2009 2:30:36pm

re: #260 father_of_10

Compare the parades of the lefties with the parades of the righties. Use Zombie's pics to help you. Who's kookier?

no thanks...you seem to be missing the point here, it's not a matter of degrees, it's a matter racism and fascism being more of a threat to the GOP and America than Pinkers ever will be, and Geller is in their midst

281 SixDegrees  Sun, Aug 16, 2009 2:30:40pm

re: #261 avanti

If the left gives in on the public option and goes for a non profit co-op after dumping the "death panel", what will the right pick on next ?

The "co-op" is the public option, with lipstick. It's nothing more than a new name for the same thing - a government-sponsored, taxpayer-subsidized competitor with no concerns about overhead costs.

Getting rid of the public option means finding a free market solution that doesn't include government-run shell companies fronting for the government itself.

282 midwestgak  Sun, Aug 16, 2009 2:30:46pm

re: #233 cosmicview

Funny, I don't remember you from back then.

You wouldn't. I wasn't hatched yet.

cosmicview
Karma -9
190 posts
Registered June 15, 2004.

283 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sun, Aug 16, 2009 2:30:47pm

re: #270 The Other Les
I've seen it. Pretty amazing.

284 Sharmuta  Sun, Aug 16, 2009 2:30:53pm

re: #275 cosmicview

Why would we want to build a bridge to fascists?

285 father_of_10  Sun, Aug 16, 2009 2:31:16pm

re: #265 Sharmuta

Are you seriously saying fascists are not a threat?

Of course I'm not saying that. I am saying that the liberals and their philosophy pose a far more greater threat to our freedom than the fringe fascists do. The liberals have been very successful for decades. The fascists are like a fart the stinks then fades away. The liberals are like never ending shits.

286 Cato the Elder  Sun, Aug 16, 2009 2:31:52pm

This feller took the cosmic view.
"If you hate Bama, I luv yew.
I don't care wut yew hate him for,
Yew may be nuts, maybe a whore
For folks who once screamed 'kill the Jews'.
When yew're not looking, that's not news.
If Hitler works, then call him that,
I'll call yew brilliant, tip the hat,
Because yew know I hate him too:
That's all that matters. Toodle-oo!"

287 Sharmuta  Sun, Aug 16, 2009 2:31:57pm

re: #285 father_of_10

No- they pose different but equal threats to our Constitution.

288 The Left  Sun, Aug 16, 2009 2:32:21pm

re: #274 buzzsawmonkey

I love to see how people who whine

This is where I stopped reading. :)

289 The Other Les  Sun, Aug 16, 2009 2:32:55pm

re: #283 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I've seen it. Pretty amazing.

I'm sure that it is. But did they have to name it after the senator who can't account for all of his bed sheets?

290 Sharmuta  Sun, Aug 16, 2009 2:32:57pm

Shucks- fascists ain't so bad! They're better than those damned commies!

WTH? Listen to yourself.

291 Shiplord Kirel  Sun, Aug 16, 2009 2:33:07pm

re: #260 father_of_10

Compare the parades of the lefties with the parades of the righties. Use Zombie's pics to help you. Who's kookier?

The left thrives on insanity. In the present context, lefties are essentially creatures of the media culture; of fantasy and advertising and wishful thinking. It is natural for them to be kooks. It is their greatest weakness, especially over time.
To whatever extent we emulate them, we are weakening ourselves. It is our strength that we have fewer kooks, and the fewer the better.

292 albusteve  Sun, Aug 16, 2009 2:33:11pm

re: #288 iceweasel

This is where I stopped reading. :)

butt hurt indeed

293 yochanan  Sun, Aug 16, 2009 2:33:18pm

re: #251 father_of_10

They certainly seem kookier to me.
nirther= Kooky
troofer=just a little kookier

well to be a nirther you must believe Obama lied about were he was born which would be wrong but someone could lie about something like that and not take a whole gov't to lie to back it up. even if it were true and IT ISN'T no one is going to effect a change of administration over it so the whole thing is a useless waste of time and we do have to remember it was all started by a democrat when Obama was running against the hildabeast since the donk primary was mostly just a personality contest anyway.

to be a troother you have to believe a whole gov't and not just this gov't but the one before it as well lied and have convinced thousands of other people to lie as well all of whom saw the real events in person. these troothers are traitors in my mind. and the birthers are mostly just nutcases

294 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Aug 16, 2009 2:33:20pm

Whatever happened to Dar ul-Harb? Haven't seen him in a bit.

295 NY Nana  Sun, Aug 16, 2009 2:33:22pm

re: #274 buzzsawmonkey

I regret that I have but one dig up to give to your post...too lazy to use my sockpuppet.

296 avanti  Sun, Aug 16, 2009 2:34:15pm

re: #268 father_of_10

Are the non-profit co-ops going to be much different from a government run insurance?


I would not think so, there are 100's already and the right can't claim government control. It's big problem for the GOP since many on the right suggested just that solution.

297 DEZes  Sun, Aug 16, 2009 2:34:22pm

re: #277 callahan23

I very rarely ding-down.
What I do though is to ding up. Posts of people I like, comments I find funny, educational, morally correct, insightful, the correct reaction for the given situation (i.e. Mandys *whacks*), rants from the heart etc.
yet I cannot bring myself towards updinging of an offensive post 'just' to keep the discussion going. The Dialog was pretty productive as it was without 'tamlin's' post.
Just my two cents.

Nice!

298 Achilles Tang  Sun, Aug 16, 2009 2:34:30pm

re: #260 father_of_10

Compare the parades of the lefties with the parades of the righties. Use Zombie's pics to help you. Who's kookier?

You think it matters who's kookier? Sounds like you support the least kooky.

299 Shiplord Kirel  Sun, Aug 16, 2009 2:34:54pm

re: #270 The Other Les

Tell me this isn't going too far...

The Robert C. Byrd Radio Telescope.

The Robert C. Byrd Green Bank Telescope is the world's largest fully steerable radio telescope. The Green Bank Telescope (GBT) is located at the National Radio Astronomy Observatory's site in Green Bank, Pocahontas County, West Virginia (79° 50' 23.40" W, 38° 25' 59.23" N : NAD83).

Abomination! Grab your pitchforks and torches and hit the streets! See if we can re-direct those townhall rioters to the hills of West Virginia!

300 danrudy  Sun, Aug 16, 2009 2:34:55pm

I agree that in an ideal world there should be civil discourse.
However, the people who need to be convinced of a particular point of view are not the loud loony left or the loud loony right. It is the rest of America (who I dub middle road America) who get their news from People Magazine, TMZ, National Enquirer etc.

While the left was screaming Bush= Hitler and the right was going "tsk tsk..look how loony they look" the Middle road America was hearing the message "bush = Hitler and the Right lost elections Big Time.

So, taking a lesson from the left, the right is becoming vociferous.
Yes the meeting on Health care have been disruptive and met with angry voices from the right. But guess what?... Being angry and loud evidently works. Being in your face and using Obama/Chicago/ACORN tactics works. The Dem's and the hectare bill were reeling and the Dem's were running scared.
Is there Hyperbole?...sure. But to sit there and say I don't care what they do as long as our side doenst do it is simply suicide.
If someone was engaging me in fisticuffs and then drew .41 GLock on me I would be left with two choices. Run for my life or draw my own gun (hopefully of higher caliber but at least something to return fire with.) Standing there waving my fists is simply going to get me killed.

I know this is not the politically correct viewpoint on this blog but hey...its what I think.

301 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Aug 16, 2009 2:35:08pm

re: #293 yochanan

well to be a nirther you must believe Obama lied about were he was born which would be wrong but someone could lie about something like that and not take a whole gov't to lie to back it up. even if it were true and IT ISN'T no one is going to effect a change of administration over it so the whole thing is a useless waste of time and we do have to remember it was all started by a democrat when Obama was running against the hildabeast since the donk primary was mostly just a personality contest anyway.

to be a troother you have to believe a whole gov't and not just this gov't but the one before it as well lied and have convinced thousands of other people to lie as well all of whom saw the real events in person. these troothers are traitors in my mind. and the birthers are mostly just nutcases

To be a Nirther you have to believe that the entire family has been lying about Obama's birthplace since the birth announcements were placed, and that the Republican governor of Hawaii is lying about his birth certificate. That's reasonably extreme.

302 [deleted]  Sun, Aug 16, 2009 2:35:17pm
303 yochanan  Sun, Aug 16, 2009 2:35:45pm

re: #269 SanFranciscoZionist

nor laup?

304 The Left  Sun, Aug 16, 2009 2:35:58pm

re: #292 albusteve

butt hurt indeed

You can always see the butthurt when someone starts whimpering, squealing, and insulting you in the very first line. It means they have nothing to say. :)

305 solomonpanting  Sun, Aug 16, 2009 2:36:47pm

re: #287 Sharmuta

No- they pose different but equal threats to our Constitution.

However, if one looks at the influence upon the country in the past seventy years it's an easy call.

306 albusteve  Sun, Aug 16, 2009 2:37:03pm

re: #304 iceweasel

You can always see the butthurt when someone starts whimpering, squealing, and insulting you in the very first line. It means they have nothing to say. :)

back up to your reply to his link...lousy dodge

307 SixDegrees  Sun, Aug 16, 2009 2:37:06pm

re: #296 avanti

I would not think so, there are 100's already and the right can't claim government control. It's big problem for the GOP since many on the right suggested just that solution.

The proposal suggesting co-ops is explicit: it calls for the creation of companies funded by the government to provide "competition" in the marketplace. This is, of course, a massive distortion of the marketplace and is so lopsided as to not even be classifiable as competition.

Let's see a real marketplace solution. Not a Land Shark delivering a candy gram.

308 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Aug 16, 2009 2:37:09pm

re: #303 yochanan

nor laup?

I always forget about him. OK, he can be the counterbalance to McKinney.

God help us all.

309 father_of_10  Sun, Aug 16, 2009 2:37:20pm

re: #278 SanFranciscoZionist

Some days I wish Zombie had picked a different hobby.

And have you SEEN some of the parades the right has been holding recently?

no. fill me in.

310 avanti  Sun, Aug 16, 2009 2:37:34pm

re: #281 SixDegrees

The "co-op" is the public option, with lipstick. It's nothing more than a new name for the same thing - a government-sponsored, taxpayer-subsidized competitor with no concerns about overhead costs.

Getting rid of the public option means finding a free market solution that doesn't include government-run shell companies fronting for the government itself.

I'm confused, Blue cross/Blue shield is a non profit sort of co-op and that works fine.

311 Sharmuta  Sun, Aug 16, 2009 2:37:36pm

re: #305 solomonpanting

However, if one looks at the influence upon the country in the past seventy years it's an easy call.

I think it means we're less adept at recognizing fascism, but that's just me.

312 The Other Les  Sun, Aug 16, 2009 2:37:54pm

re: #299 Shiplord Kirel

Abomination! Grab your pitchforks and torches and hit the streets! See if we can re-direct those townhall rioters to the hills of West Virginia!

All it really needs is a new nameplate. Seriously, do they have to name EVERYTHING in that state after Byrd?

313 Sheila Broflovski  Sun, Aug 16, 2009 2:38:29pm

re: #304 iceweasel

You can always see the butthurt when someone starts whimpering, squealing, and insulting you in the very first line. It means they have nothing to say. :)

The only butthurt whining I see in this thread is from you.

314 NY Nana  Sun, Aug 16, 2009 2:38:36pm

re: #302 buzzsawmonkey

Sometimes I feel so behind the times for not having any sockpuppets.

Alas, mine needs to go into the washer, and have a fabric softener applied a few times...it has been in the drawer for months.

/It is so hard to recognize...NY Nana's sockpuppet™

315 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Aug 16, 2009 2:38:42pm

re: #309 father_of_10

no. fill me in.

Roll back and look at some of the folks flocking out of the woodwork at these town hall events.

316 yochanan  Sun, Aug 16, 2009 2:39:09pm

re: #312 The Other Les

just think of all the money they same in sign making

the rob't byrd memorial bath room
the rob't byrd memorial out house

317 avanti  Sun, Aug 16, 2009 2:39:50pm

re: #307 SixDegrees

The proposal suggesting co-ops is explicit: it calls for the creation of companies funded by the government to provide "competition" in the marketplace. This is, of course, a massive distortion of the marketplace and is so lopsided as to not even be classifiable as competition.

Let's see a real marketplace solution. Not a Land Shark delivering a candy gram.

It'll be hard to oppose since many on the right like the idea, some on the left may balk, but it's a idea proposed by many on the right. Yes, it will be a sort of Midi-mac.

318 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Aug 16, 2009 2:39:51pm

re: #311 Sharmuta

I think it means we're less adept at recognizing fascism, but that's just me.

Decidedly. Look at some of the people we supported, or didn't not support, because they were 'anti-Communist'. Good grief.

319 The Left  Sun, Aug 16, 2009 2:39:59pm

re: #315 SanFranciscoZionist

Roll back and look at some of the folks flocking out of the woodwork at these town hall events.

Exactly. Ignorant, uninformed, scared, and belligerent.

320 SixDegrees  Sun, Aug 16, 2009 2:40:11pm

re: #310 avanti

I'm confused, Blue cross/Blue shield is a non profit sort of co-op and that works fine.

Blue Cross/Blue Shield is not subsidized by taxpayers. The "co-ops" being proposed in this latest incarnation of the health care bill are explicitly funded by the government; they are shell corporations designed to hide the public option behind a facade of corporate ownership.

321 cosmicview  Sun, Aug 16, 2009 2:40:15pm

re: #278 SanFranciscoZionist

love a link on this one SFZ

322 Flyers1974  Sun, Aug 16, 2009 2:40:33pm

re: #276 The Shadow Do

Uh, OK. Sarah to self: "I will strive to become a public buffoon to, to, uh appeal to uh, my base, uh, comic book lovers?
And then they will love me and elect me to uh, an editorial position at, uh Marvel Comics?"

/why didn't I think of that!

The death panel comment - would you make that comment if you had serious intentions of running in 2012? After you've already proven yourself with the base? If yes, why? Who is your target audience? Cartoon character isn't meant literally by the way.

323 Wendya  Sun, Aug 16, 2009 2:40:39pm

re: #300 danrudy


While the left was screaming Bush= Hitler and the right was going "tsk tsk..look how loony they look" the Middle road America was hearing the message "bush = Hitler and the Right lost elections Big Time.


Obama didn't run on a Bush/Hitler platform. He ran as a moderate democrat and people who didn't know his record, bought his act. National elections are won by the registered voters who get their information from the evening news.

324 solomonpanting  Sun, Aug 16, 2009 2:40:47pm

re: #311 Sharmuta

I think it means we're less adept at recognizing the consequences of fascism upon the events and laws of the country, but that's just me.

325 Sharmuta  Sun, Aug 16, 2009 2:40:49pm

re: #318 SanFranciscoZionist

Decidedly. Look at some of the people we supported, or didn't not support, because they were 'anti-Communist'. Good grief.

The button only allows me to click + one time.

326 sattv4u2  Sun, Aug 16, 2009 2:41:30pm

re: #319 iceweasel

Exactly. Ignorant, uninformed, scared, and belligerent.

You really have to let go of your animosity towards Cindy Sheehan!

327 Dr. Shalit  Sun, Aug 16, 2009 2:41:43pm

Everyone -

OK, I CAN see the Idea of Swastika Signs bing a "false flag" operation, however, I have yet to see any proof of it.
As for Pres. Obama being "Hitler" - never happen. Adolf had more talent and better handlers, as well as unlimited access to some pretty heavy pharmaceuticals and a more easily controlled media.
With luck he will be a two-term figurehead, without luck - ONE TERM.
That is all.

-S-

328 avanti  Sun, Aug 16, 2009 2:41:45pm

re: #320 SixDegrees

Blue Cross/Blue Shield is not subsidized by taxpayers. The "co-ops" being proposed in this latest incarnation of the health care bill are explicitly funded by the government; they are shell corporations designed to hide the public option behind a facade of corporate ownership.

So, basically, you want no real competition with the private companies to try and control out of run health care costs ?

329 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sun, Aug 16, 2009 2:42:43pm

re: #289 The Other Les

I'm sure that it is. But did they have to name it after the senator who can't account for all of his bed sheets?


Les? I think the State Capitol building in WV is named for Senator Byrd.

Everything there is named for him until they passed a law that said no more. Now? Stuff's being named for his wife.

330 Wendya  Sun, Aug 16, 2009 2:42:44pm

re: #328 avanti

So, basically, you want no real competition with the private companies to try and control out of run health care costs ?

When the government is spending the money, there is no competition.

331 SixDegrees  Sun, Aug 16, 2009 2:43:29pm

re: #328 avanti

So, basically, you want no real competition with the private companies to try and control out of run health care costs ?

I want the government to stay the hell out of the private sector.

332 callahan23  Sun, Aug 16, 2009 2:43:29pm

re: #297 DEZes

Nice!

Thanks, buddy. How are you my friend?

333 sattv4u2  Sun, Aug 16, 2009 2:43:54pm

re: #330 Wendya

When the government is spending OUR the money, there is no competition.

ftfy

334 SixDegrees  Sun, Aug 16, 2009 2:43:57pm

re: #330 Wendya

When the government is spending the money, there is no competition.

Correct.

335 jorline  Sun, Aug 16, 2009 2:43:57pm

re: #236 Charles

Now there's a sleeper for you.

"devastatingly handsome Republican" sleeper no less.

336 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sun, Aug 16, 2009 2:44:35pm

re: #332 callahan23

How are you my friend?

That question can be read a few different ways.

337 The Left  Sun, Aug 16, 2009 2:44:42pm

re: #326 sattv4u2

You really have to let go of your animosity towards Cindy Sheehan!

I think Cindy Sheehan is a mentally ill, probably clinically depressed, woman unhinged by devastating grief who has been manipulated and cynically exploited (and then abandoned) by some factions of the anti-war left.

I feel sorry for her and her whole family.

338 MacDuff  Sun, Aug 16, 2009 2:44:50pm

re: #308 SanFranciscoZionist

I always forget about him. OK, he can be the counterbalance to McKinney.

God help us all.

Hell, my Scottish Terrier could seve as the counterbalance to McKinney!

339 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Aug 16, 2009 2:45:13pm

re: #321 cosmicview

love a link on this one SFZ

OK, this lady has an interesting sign.

340 The Shadow Do  Sun, Aug 16, 2009 2:46:01pm

re: #322 Flyers1974

The death panel comment - would you make that comment if you had serious intentions of running in 2012? After you've already proven yourself with the base? If yes, why? Who is your target audience? Cartoon character isn't meant literally by the way.

I don't endorse the comment. It was obviously laid out there for shock value. A calculated effort for a headline. Probably backfired. Does not make her a buffoon though, just a bad sense of the political environment.

Instead of stupid, I think she outsmarted herself. Sarah has a lot to learn.

341 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Aug 16, 2009 2:47:05pm

re: #326 sattv4u2

You really have to let go of your animosity towards Cindy Sheehan!

No, he doesn't. Me neither.

I was sympathetic for about forty-five seconds when she popped up first, which has resulted in my being all the more pissed off by her.

342 Dr. Shalit  Sun, Aug 16, 2009 2:47:17pm

re: #301 SanFranciscoZionist

To be a Nirther you have to believe that the entire family has been lying about Obama's birthplace since the birth announcements were placed, and that the Republican governor of Hawaii is lying about his birth certificate. That's reasonably extreme.

SF Zionist -

So far as I am concerned, doesn't matter. Seems undisputed that his mother was a "natural born" US Citizen. That is good enough for me.
As to his loyalties and politics, different matter - and a subject open to discussion, criticism and opposition, this Constitutional Representative Republic being a DEMOCRACY of sorts.

-S-

343 The Shadow Do  Sun, Aug 16, 2009 2:47:35pm

Seems the golf gods have deserted Tiger. He can't makle a putt. Yang, Yang he's our man...

344 NY Nana  Sun, Aug 16, 2009 2:47:48pm

re: #337 iceweasel

Her hero son enlisted in the US Military to get away from his harpy mother.

345 callahan23  Sun, Aug 16, 2009 2:48:02pm

re: #336 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

That question can be read a few different ways.

Just wanted to ask ... aw shucks.
FBV is pulling my leg, isn't he?

346 avanti  Sun, Aug 16, 2009 2:48:13pm

re: #330 Wendya

When the government is spending the money, there is no competition.

It looks like some on the right will oppose every plan, even those proposed by the GOP.

347 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Aug 16, 2009 2:48:19pm

re: #338 MacDuff

Hell, my Scottish Terrier could seve as the counterbalance to McKinney!

Your Scottish Terrier has served in Congress and is stark raving nuts?

348 Aye Pod  Sun, Aug 16, 2009 2:48:20pm

re: #239 Sharmuta

We need the FASCIST APOLOGIST FORM LETTER.

Brilliant. Missed that one first time round. Now favourited.

349 yochanan  Sun, Aug 16, 2009 2:48:30pm

re: #337 iceweasel

she was a radical leftist even before her son who she didn't rasise went into the service and even re enlisted.

frankly i think she used him esp later on
grief would have worked for the short term but later it became her own ego driven events.

350 Sharmuta  Sun, Aug 16, 2009 2:49:15pm

It's stunning to see that anyone would make excuses for this woman's ugly Godwin tactics when we've spent 8 years finding it outrageous, and likewise saying how demeaning it is to the real evil that was hitler. Anyone making excuses for this should be ashamed of their base hypocrisy. Disgusting.

351 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Aug 16, 2009 2:49:27pm

re: #342 Dr. Shalit

SF Zionist -

So far as I am concerned, doesn't matter. Seems undisputed that his mother was a "natural born" US Citizen. That is good enough for me.
-S-

Even better, it's good enough for the Constitution of the United States!

352 sattv4u2  Sun, Aug 16, 2009 2:49:36pm

re: #323 Wendya

Obama didn't run on a Bush/Hitler platform. He ran as a moderate democrat and people who didn't know his record, bought his act. National elections are won by the registered voters who get their information from the evening news.

He did run hard against the "failures of the past 8 years',, taking that as a populist tact instead of taking on McCain head on. Smart move by the Obama people, btw. Bush was very unpopular leading up to nov 2008. Attacks against McCain not have played well. People personally liked him (not necessarily for his politics, but for his service and sacrifice) Obama would have come off as "mean" attacking an OLD ex POW

353 albusteve  Sun, Aug 16, 2009 2:50:08pm

re: #346 avanti

It looks like some on the right will oppose every plan, even those proposed by the GOP.

if it does not address the criminal aspect of Medicare fraud and tort reform, they should

354 The Shadow Do  Sun, Aug 16, 2009 2:50:34pm

re: #346 avanti

It looks like some on the right will oppose every plan, even those proposed by the GOP.


Some will, others will acquiesce and there will be some sort of 'health care reform'. This may well be a Pyrrhic victory for the Dems by the way.

355 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sun, Aug 16, 2009 2:51:11pm

re: #345 callahan23

"How are you my friend?" (Do I know you?)
"How are you my friend?" (You call me friend, but I can't stand you!)
"How are you my friend?" (How are you doing?)

etc...

356 DEZes  Sun, Aug 16, 2009 2:51:23pm

re: #332 callahan23

Thanks, buddy. How are you my friend?

Doing good, how about you buddy?

357 Aye Pod  Sun, Aug 16, 2009 2:51:45pm

re: #284 Sharmuta

Why would we want to build a bridge to fascists?

"When you go building bridges, make sure you aren't just making homes for trolls."

358 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Aug 16, 2009 2:51:48pm

re: #354 The Shadow Do

Some will, others will acquiesce and there will be some sort of 'health care reform'. This may well be a Pyrrhic victory for the Dems by the way.

Afraid so. The economic collapse threw Obama's team off their game. Didn't think on their feet fast enough.

359 Wendya  Sun, Aug 16, 2009 2:51:58pm

re: #339 SanFranciscoZionist

OK, this lady has an interesting sign.

A cross on one sign and a peace sign on the other?

360 [deleted]  Sun, Aug 16, 2009 2:52:00pm
361 albusteve  Sun, Aug 16, 2009 2:52:06pm

re: #352 sattv4u2

He did run hard against the "failures of the past 8 years',, taking that as a populist tact instead of taking on McCain head on. Smart move by the Obama people, btw. Bush was very unpopular leading up to nov 2008. Attacks against McCain not have played well. People personally liked him (not necessarily for his politics, but for his service and sacrifice) Obama would have come off as "mean" attacking an OLD ex POW

BDS...strong stuff...I don't think any republican could have won

362 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Aug 16, 2009 2:53:02pm

re: #359 Wendya

A cross on one sign and a peace sign on the other?

I didn't say it completely made sense...

/

363 Wendya  Sun, Aug 16, 2009 2:53:34pm

re: #346 avanti

It looks like some on the right will oppose every plan, even those proposed by the GOP.

And that of course, didn't address my point. Tell me, who can afford to bleed money indefinitely without a return on investment... a private company, or the government?

364 MacDuff  Sun, Aug 16, 2009 2:53:35pm

re: #347 SanFranciscoZionist

Your Scottish Terrier has served in Congress and is stark raving nuts?

Well, he's had a bit of a problem with the fundraising thing, but he's got the ego thing down pat. :)

365 callahan23  Sun, Aug 16, 2009 2:53:50pm

re: #356 DEZes

Doing good, how about you buddy?

Very fine, thanks. It is all the good company one is involved with, that counts.

366 SixDegrees  Sun, Aug 16, 2009 2:54:36pm

re: #346 avanti

It looks like some on the right will oppose every plan, even those proposed by the GOP.

Let's see them propose a free market plan, instead of offering the same public option over and over again with different makeup.

367 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Aug 16, 2009 2:55:06pm

re: #361 albusteve

BDS...strong stuff...I don't think any republican could have won

I agree, and the economic tank basically sealed it.

McCain gave it the old college try, but I think he knew he was up against the ghost of George Bush. It's hard to run effectively while you're distancing yourself from the man your party made president twice.

368 The Shadow Do  Sun, Aug 16, 2009 2:55:09pm

re: #360 buzzsawmonkey

I've been saying the Democratic leadership are a bunch of Pyrrhics for some time now.


Nancy aint't no Phyrric, she's a ...(nevermind)

369 yochanan  Sun, Aug 16, 2009 2:55:13pm

re: #353 albusteve

the donks will not do tort reform, as they get 75%+ of the lawyer money.

we need tort reform as well as caps on malpractice awards
as well as reform of the ins co. ablity to cherry pick pre existing conditions treat health ins more like a utility the companys can make a profit but they have to sell it to every body

these two reforms would help those of us who don't have ins. and it wouldn't cost a dime

the gop idea of health ins sav. acc't is of no use to someone the current ins. companys will not sell too. and please don't mention the state programs in ill they put you on a waiting list were you sit till you die and if you do get it it cost 4 times what reg ins sells for and i for one don't have that kind of money.

370 lincolntf  Sun, Aug 16, 2009 2:55:56pm

Anyone watching the PGA Championship? Tiger vs. an inscrutable Asian journeyman named Y.E. Yang going into the home stretch.
According to the commentators, he'd be the first "Asian" to ever win a major, though I'm not sure what standard they are using for "Asian".
13th hole and the two are tied for the lead. The field is 3+ strokes behind them.

371 solomonpanting  Sun, Aug 16, 2009 2:56:24pm

re: #353 albusteve

if it does not address the criminal aspect of Medicare fraud and tort reform, they should

How about expanding competition and allowing insurance companies to compete across state lines?

372 callahan23  Sun, Aug 16, 2009 2:56:56pm

re: #368 The Shadow Do

Nancy aint't no Phyrric, she's a ...(nevermind)

POOF, there is goes again her f*rts are 'splody !!!

373 sattv4u2  Sun, Aug 16, 2009 2:58:16pm

re: #370 lincolntf

Anyone watching the PGA Championship? Tiger vs. an inscrutable Asian journeyman named Y.E. Yang going into the home stretch.
According to the commentators, he'd be the first "Asian" to ever win a major, though I'm not sure what standard they are using for "Asian".
13th hole and the two are tied for the lead. The field is 3+ strokes behind them.

You turning this into an X rated thread?

374 The Shadow Do  Sun, Aug 16, 2009 2:58:16pm

re: #370 lincolntf

Anyone watching the PGA Championship? Tiger vs. an inscrutable Asian journeyman named Y.E. Yang going into the home stretch.
According to the commentators, he'd be the first "Asian" to ever win a major, though I'm not sure what standard they are using for "Asian".
13th hole and the two are tied for the lead. The field is 3+ strokes behind them.

Yang. I will now call him Big Yang, is kicking Tiger's butt.

375 danrudy  Sun, Aug 16, 2009 2:58:21pm

re: #323 Wendya

Obama didn't run on a Bush/Hitler platform. He ran as a moderate democrat and people who didn't know his record, bought his act. National elections are won by the registered voters who get their information from the evening news.

First off...thank you for your thoughtful reply. You unlike other seem to revel in downdinging merely for fun and without comment.

I respectfully disagree with BOTH points you made.
First off, Obama won the election completely running against Bush. He tore him down at every instance and there was certainly enough innuendo to lend support to the Bush = Hitlers left point of view. Be it, Patriot acts,illegal wars for profit or Guantanamo. He may never have said the words or personally carried a sign but I would bet from his comments and the people he surrounded himself with that he wasn't disagreeing with that point of view.
However, this is off topic. No one is running for anything on a Obama =Hitler platform either at the moment. If they are, I am unaware.

Secondly, you think this election was won by registered voters who got their info from the evening news? LOL
Well, technically, most of the people ACORN was getting to vote were registered at the time they voted but I assume you meant people who have been registered for years.
Would the evening newscasts you are referring to be the same evening news that was in the can for Obama. Rather gate, Chris "tingly pants" Matthews etc.
While it may be true that most elections in the past were decided the way you state, I think we are in a new paradigm. People here snippets and it is the middle road America that decides elections based upon how the candidates are presented to them. There is no scratching below the surface.

376 The Left  Sun, Aug 16, 2009 2:59:09pm

re: #349 yochanan

she was a radical leftist even before her son who she didn't rasise went into the service and even re enlisted.

frankly i think she used him esp later on
grief would have worked for the short term but later it became her own ego driven events.

I think you don't know a damn thing about their relationship, and neither do I. Who the hell are you to say how much she loved him and whether her grief is 'real' enough for you?

And I've seen enough people on this site use the term 'radical leftist' to mean anyone sitting on Colin Powell's left, so I'll take that with a bushel of salt.

BTW: WTF would it matter? You think 'radical leftists' don't love their kids? You think parents who don't get to live with their kids love them any less?

I think your rationalisations here are disgusting. Maybe she did behave badly. How the hell might anyone act after the death of a child? It unhinges the most rational people. It destroys marriages. It changes everything, forever, for the parents.

And I think it's utterly vile that you or anyone imagines it's possible to judge any parent enduring that.

377 swamprat  Sun, Aug 16, 2009 2:59:43pm

re: #358 SanFranciscoZionist

Afraid so. The economic collapse threw Obama's team off their game. Didn't think on their feet fast enough.

Yeah. If they were thinking, they could have used it to claim some sort of emergency that only their candidate could remedy.

Oh, yeah, they did say that, did they not?

Were they lying when they said there was a economic crisis, or were they lying when they said fearless
leader was going to fix it?

378 midwestgak  Sun, Aug 16, 2009 2:59:49pm

re: #370 lincolntf

Anyone watching the PGA Championship? Tiger vs. an inscrutable Asian journeyman named Y.E. Yang going into the home stretch.
According to the commentators, he'd be the first "Asian" to ever win a major, though I'm not sure what standard they are using for "Asian".
13th hole and the two are tied for the lead. The field is 3+ strokes behind them.

Not any more. Yang leads by one.

379 DEZes  Sun, Aug 16, 2009 2:59:54pm

re: #372 callahan23

POOF, there is goes again her f*rts are 'splody !!!

Gas, ionized gas. ;)

380 The Left  Sun, Aug 16, 2009 3:00:25pm

re: #357 Jimmah


Hey Jimmah. :) How are you?

381 [deleted]  Sun, Aug 16, 2009 3:01:05pm
382 Green Helmet Guy  Sun, Aug 16, 2009 3:01:05pm
383 Aye Pod  Sun, Aug 16, 2009 3:01:08pm

re: #288 iceweasel

This is where I stopped reading. :)

How are you today iceweasel?

384 The Shadow Do  Sun, Aug 16, 2009 3:01:45pm

re: #376 iceweasel


She showed no respect for his sacrifice and commitment. That is selfish regardless of her personal opinion about the military. Tough to respect that, so I don't. His death = her cause celebre.

385 MacDuff  Sun, Aug 16, 2009 3:01:46pm

re: #372 callahan23

POOF, there is goes again her f*rts are 'splody !!!

Geez, what comes from her mouth is toxic, I choose to not speculate about any of her other gaseous emissions.

386 Charles Johnson  Sun, Aug 16, 2009 3:01:59pm

re: #275 cosmicview

Naw Charles, I don't think your shift requires any need for me to apologize. I still like you.
Wish you would find a bridge to some of the folks you cut off though over the last few months, liked it better when we were all one big happy family.
As for Pam, she just has a different style that is just acceptable as yours, some days more acceptable. But then she has remained on purpose and has a different cultural imperative.

When Pamela Geller writes, in complete seriousness, that she believes Barack Obama just might be the love child of Malcolm X, it ain't ME who's "shifted."

But hey, I know... it's just "a different style."

/dripping

387 aboo-Hoo-Hoo  Sun, Aug 16, 2009 3:02:01pm

Boy...does VDH bring it home:

Bottom line: too many Americans, whether rightly or wrongly, believe that Obama has other agendas that transcend simply ensuring American live longer, healthier, and better — such as growing government, enforcing an equality of result, and creating permanent constituencies that administer and receive expanding federal entitlements.

And what looms over the entire debate? Debt, debt, debt — both the recognition that one cannot expand those covered and save money at the same time without rationing or higher taxes; and the notion that all Obama’s new entitlements essentially involve borrowing money, much of it from Asia, as our indebtedness soars.

388 The Shadow Do  Sun, Aug 16, 2009 3:02:26pm

re: #384 The Shadow Do

She showed no respect for his sacrifice and commitment. That is selfish regardless of her personal opinion about the military. Tough to respect that, so I don't. His death = her cause celebre.

I forgot to sign my post -
'The Vile Shadow Do"

389 J.S.  Sun, Aug 16, 2009 3:02:27pm

David Frum has written a column along similar lines (about the outrageous and senseless yammering about Obama as a "fascist," nazi, etc.)...titled "Can We Get a Grip?" Frum explains (to outsiders) how these ridiculous analogies have come to be (from too close contact with the crazoid Ron Paulers, to wanting to "up the ante" in "scare talk/rhetoric", etc.). Anyway, interesting article by Frum...

390 danrudy  Sun, Aug 16, 2009 3:03:18pm

re: #375 danrudy

that didnt come out right. I was thanking you for replying instead of simply down dinging and moving on...
I was appreciative of your reply. My first sentence got a little garbled

391 Wendya  Sun, Aug 16, 2009 3:03:20pm

re: #376 iceweasel


And I've seen enough people on this site use the term 'radical leftist' to mean anyone sitting on Colin Powell's left, so I'll take that with a bushel of salt.

As opposed to defining "right wing extremist" as anyone to the right of Mao?

392 Sharmuta  Sun, Aug 16, 2009 3:03:34pm

re: #389 J.S.

Frum's a RINO! Git 'im! ///

393 The Left  Sun, Aug 16, 2009 3:04:38pm

re: #383 Jimmah

How are you today iceweasel?

Hey baby!

Domiting. As ever. You?

394 sattv4u2  Sun, Aug 16, 2009 3:04:44pm

re: #391 Wendya

As opposed to defining "right wing extremist" as anyone to the right of Mao?

Would that be Bill Mao, the comic?

395 Aye Pod  Sun, Aug 16, 2009 3:05:03pm

re: #380 iceweasel

Hey Jimmah. :) How are you?

Hi there iceweasel - I am fine thanks! Hope you are well.

Something of interest I found earlier today - Julia Indelicate's photo-blog.

[Link: www.jclphotoblog.blogspot.com...]

396 Wendya  Sun, Aug 16, 2009 3:05:06pm

re: #394 sattv4u2

Would that be Bill Mao, the comic?

Yes, that's exactly who I had in mind.

397 avanti  Sun, Aug 16, 2009 3:05:27pm

re: #363 Wendya

And that of course, didn't address my point. Tell me, who can afford to bleed money indefinitely without a return on investment... a private company, or the government?

The plan is to provide enough start up money to get a national co-op started, some or all of which will have to be paid back. The details would have to be worked out if a decision is made.

398 The Left  Sun, Aug 16, 2009 3:05:37pm

re: #391 Wendya

As opposed to defining "right wing extremist" as anyone to the right of Mao?

Nah, just the way that prescient DHS report did.

399 Aye Pod  Sun, Aug 16, 2009 3:05:41pm

re: #393 iceweasel

Hey baby!

Domiting. As ever. You?

But never domited. (except by special permission of course;-))

400 swamprat  Sun, Aug 16, 2009 3:06:25pm

re: #376 iceweasel

I agree that the loss made her...unobjective. I see more of a flaw in the media and the left exploiting her, than her own personal struggle with the loss of a child. Both sides used her to the credit of neither.

401 swamprat  Sun, Aug 16, 2009 3:07:28pm

re: #382 Green Helmet Guy

Is this for real?

T-shirt: Atlas Shrugs- Nirth Certificate Troofers Unite!


No. Pam could never fit into that shirt.

402 sattv4u2  Sun, Aug 16, 2009 3:07:41pm

re: #397 avanti

The plan is to provide enough start up money to get a national co-op started, some or all of which will have to be paid back. The details would have to be worked out if a decision is made.

HAHAHAHa ,,, Oh ,, good one ,,, LOL ,,, wow ,, whheeewh ,,,

403 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Aug 16, 2009 3:07:50pm

re: #400 swamprat

I agree that the loss made her...unobjective. I see more of a flaw in the media and the left exploiting her, than her own personal struggle with the loss of a child. Both sides used her to the credit of neither.

I suspect she started out of grief, and found support and sympathy--and direction--from the people who took her up.

Pity.

404 The Left  Sun, Aug 16, 2009 3:07:51pm

re: #400 swamprat

Both sides used her to the credit of neither.

Yes,-- you put that perfectly. Excellently, IMO.

405 sattv4u2  Sun, Aug 16, 2009 3:09:38pm

re: #397 avanti

The plan is to provide enough start up money to get a national co-op started, some or all of which will have to be paid back. The details would have to be worked out if a decision is made.

We wouldn't want those pesky "details' to get in the way of doing SOMETHING!

406 Wendya  Sun, Aug 16, 2009 3:09:41pm

re: #397 avanti

The plan is to provide enough start up money to get a national co-op started, some or all of which will have to be paid back. The details would have to be worked out if a decision is made.

Under the Conrad plan, the taxpayers will be forced to fork over 4 billion dollars to create a system that will compete against private entities. I've yet to see any mention of repayment.

407 Randall Gross  Sun, Aug 16, 2009 3:09:59pm

re: #275 cosmicview

Naw Charles, I don't think your shift requires any need for me to apologize. I still like you.
Wish you would find a bridge to some of the folks you cut off though over the last few months, liked it better when we were all one big happy family.
As for Pam, she just has a different style that is just acceptable as yours, some days more acceptable. But then she has remained on purpose and has a different cultural imperative.

People with "cultural imperatives" are haters and dangerous to your sanity as a general rule.

408 avanti  Sun, Aug 16, 2009 3:10:05pm

Nate Silver looks at the 2010

elections.

409 The Left  Sun, Aug 16, 2009 3:10:08pm

re: #399 Jimmah

But never domited. (except by special permission of course;-))

Of course. :) Busy later? //

410 Achilles Tang  Sun, Aug 16, 2009 3:10:16pm

re: #310 avanti

I'm confused, Blue cross/Blue shield is a non profit sort of co-op and that works fine.

I have experience with BCBS, as a potential insured. They can take a hike as far as I'm concerned. I don't know why everyone thinks this non profit crap makes a difference.

All it means is they don't pay the same taxes and have different accounting rules. Instead of paying accountants to avoid the IRS, they pay accountants to maximize the bonuses of management and sales staff based on performance for maximizing premiums and minimizing payouts.

The only question of importance is whether they will still be allowed to cherry pick their artificially constructed territories and individual exclusions.

411 MacDuff  Sun, Aug 16, 2009 3:10:22pm

re: #394 sattv4u2

Sorry for the brain fart, but is anyone here old enough to remember a TV show called "Hill Street Blues"? It was a great show (IMO) and I remember a character whose name was "Vic Hitler". He was a comedian who never could figure out why he couldn't get gigs.

OK, at least I thought it was funny. Back to regular scheduled programming...

412 ladycatnip  Sun, Aug 16, 2009 3:10:44pm

#376 iceweasel

I think you don't know a damn thing about their relationship, and neither do I. Who the hell are you to say how much she loved him and whether her grief is 'real' enough for you?

And I've seen enough people on this site use the term 'radical leftist' to mean anyone sitting on Colin Powell's left, so I'll take that with a bushel of salt.

BTW: WTF would it matter? You think 'radical leftists' don't love their kids? You think parents who don't get to live with their kids love them any less?

I think your rationalisations here are disgusting. Maybe she did behave badly. How the hell might anyone act after the death of a child? It unhinges the most rational people. It destroys marriages. It changes everything, forever, for the parents.

And I think it's utterly vile that you or anyone imagines it's possible to judge any parent enduring that.

You're right - judging under those circumstances is beyond awful, in fact, judging anyone's motives regarding their children should be off limits.

The leftists would do well to apply what you said to Sarah Palin and her kids. No, obviously she didn't lose a child, but having a special needs child brings its own set of difficulties - and all the yammering about whether she should have aborted, or she had him for personal gain for the sympathy factor, she didn't give Bristol enough attention, she shouldn't have run for governor...somehow everyone knows exactly what she's thinking and feeling.

Children should be off limits - period.

413 Aye Pod  Sun, Aug 16, 2009 3:10:50pm

re: #404 iceweasel

Yes,-- you put that perfectly. Excellently, IMO.

Yep. I think the same could be said about Rachel Corrie.

414 shortshrift  Sun, Aug 16, 2009 3:10:50pm

I would appreciate links to approving left wing acknowledgments that moderate conservatives are denouncing kooks in the right wing ranks. I read many exultations in Republican "civil war", and "deep rifts".

Would it not be fine to read in the Huffington Post something along the following lines:

"The new GOP integrity - once again the party of ideas."

"Not all Republicans should be tarred by the creationist brush. The GOP has many reasonable people, and we should acknowledge that they are the true GOP. They have denounced the birthers, creationists, Islamophobes and fascist enablers on their flanks. As a republican said, ' I feel good when I look at myself in the mirror, now that I have denounced several so-called republican big mouths, a whole crowd of creationists, and so-called leaders for not denouncing them.' Some conservatives are more vehemently engaged in removing the beam from their own eyes, than in pointing out the mote in the political opposition's. They revel in their moderation, resting happily on the idea that two wrongs do not make a right, that what is sauce for the goose is not sauce for the gander, that offensive discourse is worse on their side because they should not sink to their opponent's level. We can see in this an emerging political philosophy: get along, to go along. This is a powerful message, and a challenge to the left 's : move on. It is sure to attract Independents. "

415 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Aug 16, 2009 3:11:04pm

re: #407 Thanos

People with "cultural imperatives" are haters and dangerous to your sanity as a general rule.

Also, what the hell is Pam's 'cultural imperative' supposed to be? I think I share a culture with her, and I was raised to stay away from Nazis.

416 Aye Pod  Sun, Aug 16, 2009 3:11:13pm

re: #409 iceweasel

Of course. :) Busy later? //

Not anymore - ;-)

417 solomonpanting  Sun, Aug 16, 2009 3:11:40pm

re: #376 iceweasel

re: #349 yochanan

she was a radical leftist even before her son who she didn't rasise went into the service and even re enlisted.

frankly i think she used him esp later on
grief would have worked for the short term but later it became her own ego driven events.

I think you don't know a damn thing about their relationship, and neither do I.

But you know enough about her to classify her as mentally ill.

418 SurferDoc  Sun, Aug 16, 2009 3:11:47pm

re: #411 MacDuff

Sorry for the brain fart, but is anyone here old enough to remember a TV show called "Hill Street Blues"? It was a great show (IMO) and I remember a character whose name was "Vic Hitler". He was a comedian who never could figure out why he couldn't get gigs.

OK, at least I thought it was funny. Back to regular scheduled programming...

I remember. It was a funny bit.

419 danrudy  Sun, Aug 16, 2009 3:11:54pm

re: #411 MacDuff

yes I do...Great show.
Be careful out there.
"Do it to them before they do it to you " (Maybe this should be the Republican Party's new motto)

420 Idle Drifter  Sun, Aug 16, 2009 3:12:38pm

Yours Truly, Angry Mob

421 sattv4u2  Sun, Aug 16, 2009 3:12:45pm

re: #406 Wendya

Under the Conrad plan, the taxpayers will be forced to fork over 4 billion dollars to create a system that will compete against private entities. I've yet to see any mention of repayment.

There are gov't workers hard at it right now taking a Sharpie and adding four "0''s to each 100 dollar bill, making each now worth $1,000,000

See how easy economics is?

422 Wendya  Sun, Aug 16, 2009 3:12:52pm

re: #408 avanti

Nate Silver looks at the 2010

elections.

He doesn't seem to think the Rasmussen method of polling likely voters is particularly accurate.

It worked for them in 2008.

423 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Aug 16, 2009 3:12:53pm

re: #411 MacDuff

Sorry for the brain fart, but is anyone here old enough to remember a TV show called "Hill Street Blues"? It was a great show (IMO) and I remember a character whose name was "Vic Hitler". He was a comedian who never could figure out why he couldn't get gigs.

OK, at least I thought it was funny. Back to regular scheduled programming...

My parents watched it, but I was too young to really follow plot lines or characters.

424 The Shadow Do  Sun, Aug 16, 2009 3:13:03pm

re: #405 sattv4u2

We wouldn't want those pesky "details' to get in the way of doing SOMETHING!

Exactly, the most sinister symptom of Legislative Daisies is "we must do something!".

/the root of all governmental rottenness

425 sattv4u2  Sun, Aug 16, 2009 3:13:49pm

re: #411 MacDuff

Sorry for the brain fart, but is anyone here old enough to remember a TV show called "Hill Street Blues"? It was a great show (IMO) and I remember a character whose name was "Vic Hitler". He was a comedian who never could figure out why he couldn't get gigs.

OK, at least I thought it was funny. Back to regular scheduled programming...

I'm WAY old enough to recall that show, but I don't remember that specific character

426 The Left  Sun, Aug 16, 2009 3:14:02pm

re: #416 Jimmah

Not anymore - ;-)

Okay, laughing out loud--

well you WILL be busy, yes precious!

427 Flyers1974  Sun, Aug 16, 2009 3:14:14pm

re: #340 The Shadow Do

I don't endorse the comment. It was obviously laid out there for shock value. A calculated effort for a headline. Probably backfired. Does not make her a buffoon though, just a bad sense of the political environment.

Instead of stupid, I think she outsmarted herself. Sarah has a lot to learn.

I don't think she's stupid either by the way and I didn't believe you endorsed the comment. I think the word "stupid" gets used generically when one really means the person in question made bad decisions, etc..., which of course would be an incorrect use of the word. But aside from that comment, I think the whole Letterman thing was a huge mistake and marked the point of no return. I think it added to what I earlier referred as "cartoonish" (maybe a better description is soap opera-like) image. After all - Letterman is no Johnny Carson - I was too young for Carson, but I know my parents and a million others watched him - I'd say maybe attacks by a Carson would have to be answered. But Letterman's a nobody, have a spokesperson reply to Letterman if you are planning on running for POTUS.

428 aboo-Hoo-Hoo  Sun, Aug 16, 2009 3:15:11pm

re: #391 Wendya

As opposed to defining "right wing extremist" as anyone to the right of Mao?

Oh shit...that's me.

...so what?

re: #405 sattv4u2

We wouldn't want those pesky "details' to get in the way of doing SOMETHING!

I'm very wary of the lowering of the bars...it's a kinda...'Ok, now don't watch us toss in the stuff and make sausage.'

429 SixDegrees  Sun, Aug 16, 2009 3:15:26pm

re: #406 Wendya

Under the Conrad plan, the taxpayers will be forced to fork over 4 billion dollars to create a system that will compete against private entities. I've yet to see any mention of repayment.

And I've yet to see any mention of why this is necessary. Or of forbidding future subsidization.

430 Aye Pod  Sun, Aug 16, 2009 3:15:39pm

re: #411 MacDuff

Sorry for the brain fart, but is anyone here old enough to remember a TV show called "Hill Street Blues"? It was a great show (IMO) and I remember a character whose name was "Vic Hitler". He was a comedian who never could figure out why he couldn't get gigs.

OK, at least I thought it was funny. Back to regular scheduled programming...

There was a Scottish comedian called "Bing Hitler" back in the 80's. He;'s now doing rather well on American tv as chat show host 'Craig Ferguson', from what I hear.

431 SurferDoc  Sun, Aug 16, 2009 3:15:44pm

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

He was played by Terry Kiser.

/Google loves me

432 albusteve  Sun, Aug 16, 2009 3:15:58pm

re: #424 The Shadow Do

Exactly, the most sinister symptom of Legislative Daisies is "we must do something!".

/the root of all governmental rottenness

the whole debate is merely an exercise in wordy logic...it's a bust on the surface, after that it's all downhill...I'm burned out on all the rhetoric so I scroll past nearly all of it...arguing between bad and really bad is a waste of time

433 The Shadow Do  Sun, Aug 16, 2009 3:16:07pm

re: #424 The Shadow Do

Spell check sucks.

Daisies

= disease

434 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Aug 16, 2009 3:17:03pm

re: #413 Jimmah

Yep. I think the same could be said about Rachel Corrie.

Probably. The thing that strikes me about Corrie is how terribly ordinary she was. She wanted to fix the world, and no one in her circle of friends and family and teachers told her that she was getting into bed with evil people who didn't care about her safety.

I knew a lot of people in college who could have ended up like that. They were strident and arrogant and misinformed, but they weren't bad people.

Think about the young people who followed the Nazis, or Stalinists, or Mao's people--out of that exploitable yearning to be the leaders, save the world, create a new reality.

435 sattv4u2  Sun, Aug 16, 2009 3:17:35pm

re: #433 The Shadow Do

Spell check sucks.


= disease

Thanks,,, I can now stop scratching my skull!

436 Randall Gross  Sun, Aug 16, 2009 3:17:36pm

For the record I also guffawed when I read the article that Charles posted above -- it was so loud my wife wanted to know what the joke was and I had to tell her it would take much too long to explain.

437 The Left  Sun, Aug 16, 2009 3:17:44pm

re: #422 Wendya

He doesn't seem to think the Rasmussen method of polling likely voters is particularly accurate.

It worked for them in 2008.

Yes, because polling likely voters makes sense...if you want to know how an election will turn out.

If you're measuring approval ratings and general mood of the country...polling only "likely voters" is a bit arbitrary.

438 DEZes  Sun, Aug 16, 2009 3:17:46pm

re: #433 The Shadow Do

Spell check sucks.

= disease

For a second I thought you were Doc Holliday. ;)

439 Charles Johnson  Sun, Aug 16, 2009 3:17:48pm

re: #407 Thanos

People with "cultural imperatives" are haters and dangerous to your sanity as a general rule.

Pretty much.

440 The Shadow Do  Sun, Aug 16, 2009 3:18:09pm

re: #427 Flyers1974

I don't think she's stupid either by the way and I didn't believe you endorsed the comment. I think the word "stupid" gets used generically when one really means the person in question made bad decisions, etc..., which of course would be an incorrect use of the word. But aside from that comment, I think the whole Letterman thing was a huge mistake and marked the point of no return. I think it added to what I earlier referred as "cartoonish" (maybe a better description is soap opera-like) image. After all - Letterman is no Johnny Carson - I was too young for Carson, but I know my parents and a million others watched him - I'd say maybe attacks by a Carson would have to be answered. But Letterman's a nobody, have a spokesperson reply to Letterman if you are planning on running for POTUS.

Carson was a jewel. He could have fun with politicians without ever once being mean, just humorous. This is sadly missing today.

441 Aye Pod  Sun, Aug 16, 2009 3:18:33pm

re: #434 SanFranciscoZionist

Probably. The thing that strikes me about Corrie is how terribly ordinary she was. She wanted to fix the world, and no one in her circle of friends and family and teachers told her that she was getting into bed with evil people who didn't care about her safety.

I knew a lot of people in college who could have ended up like that. They were strident and arrogant and misinformed, but they weren't bad people.

Think about the young people who followed the Nazis, or Stalinists, or Mao's people--out of that exploitable yearning to be the leaders, save the world, create a new reality.

Absolutely. Idealism can lead to dark places, especially for the naive and inexperienced.

442 swamprat  Sun, Aug 16, 2009 3:18:35pm

re: #427 Flyers1974

Godwins' parallel;

If a thread on lgf goes on long enough, Sarah Palin will be discussed.

443 MacDuff  Sun, Aug 16, 2009 3:18:37pm

re: #433 The Shadow Do

Spell check sucks.


= disease

Thank God!!! I thought they had nationalized flower gardens!

444 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Aug 16, 2009 3:18:49pm

re: #411 MacDuff

Sorry for the brain fart, but is anyone here old enough to remember a TV show called "Hill Street Blues"? It was a great show (IMO) and I remember a character whose name was "Vic Hitler". He was a comedian who never could figure out why he couldn't get gigs.

OK, at least I thought it was funny. Back to regular scheduled programming...

There was a "Friends" episode where Joey is encouraged to choose a less ethnic stage name. He turns to Chandler for help, but reports back that apparently "Joseph Stalin" has already been used.

445 SurferDoc  Sun, Aug 16, 2009 3:20:14pm

re: #442 swamprat

Godwins' parallel;

If a thread on lgf goes on long enough, Sarah Palin will be discussed.

Dissected.

But upding!

446 solomonpanting  Sun, Aug 16, 2009 3:21:31pm

re: #442 swamprat

Godwins' Cato's parallel;

If a thread on lgf goes on long enough, Sarah Palin will be discussed.

447 Flyers1974  Sun, Aug 16, 2009 3:21:36pm

re: #442 swamprat

Indeed, I believe you are right.

448 The Left  Sun, Aug 16, 2009 3:22:51pm

re: #417 solomonpanting

But you know enough about her to classify her as mentally ill.

I think you're deliberately missing the forest for the trees.

449 SurferDoc  Sun, Aug 16, 2009 3:22:55pm

It should be known as 'Swamprat's Corollary'.

450 Kronocide  Sun, Aug 16, 2009 3:22:59pm

Shouldn't they now be called Godwinites?

451 albusteve  Sun, Aug 16, 2009 3:23:57pm

re: #441 Jimmah

Absolutely. Idealism can lead to dark places, especially for the naive and inexperienced.

my kids didn't get into international politics and left wing causes...they didn't have time...it's a culture in college and it didn't appeal to either of them...they are both very successful so far

452 The Shadow Do  Sun, Aug 16, 2009 3:24:00pm

Yang will have to choke and he shows no sign of doing so. Tiger cannot make a putt though he is hitting the ball beautifully.

Big Yang will win the day!
/there is a joke about choking and Yang in there somewhere by the way.

453 sattv4u2  Sun, Aug 16, 2009 3:24:33pm

OT ,,, This kid (Y.E. Yang ) is out Tigering Tiger on the final round

454 NY Nana  Sun, Aug 16, 2009 3:25:05pm

re: #403 SanFranciscoZionist

Sorry, but Sheehag used her hero son..may he rest in peace, who enlisted to get away from her evil. Would any mother ever do this if it was not for her need for celebrity? She is the ultimate bitch.

I cry for women who who cannot become pregnant, while someone like her can? Talk about an unfit mother..she is a poster bitch.

455 The Shadow Do  Sun, Aug 16, 2009 3:25:36pm

re: #453 sattv4u2

OT ,,, This kid (Y.E. Yang ) is out Tigering Tiger on the final round

33 YO - older than Tiger, not a kid!

456 SurferDoc  Sun, Aug 16, 2009 3:25:45pm

re: #452 The Shadow Do

Yang will have to choke and he shows no sign of doing so. Tiger cannot make a putt though he is hitting the ball beautifully.

Big Yang will win the day!
/there is a joke about choking and Yang in there somewhere by the way.

The is also a 'stepped on his Yang' joke waiting there.

457 SixDegrees  Sun, Aug 16, 2009 3:25:47pm

re: #437 iceweasel

Yes, because polling likely voters makes sense...if you want to know how an election will turn out.

If you're measuring approval ratings and general mood of the country...polling only "likely voters" is a bit arbitrary.

It's consistent, though. If a polling organization were selecting their polling audience every time they sampled, I'd suspect they were outcome fishing. Using the same methods over a long period of time allows accurate comparisons of trends, which are what really matter when it comes to things like approval ratings rather than the absolute ranking. Week after week after week of slippage tells a compelling story, even more so when the results are drawn from the same population.

Then there's the question of whether this is a valid objection in the first place. Is there any statistically significant difference in the results obtained when polling likely voters as opposed to the general adult population when asked questions of this nature? My guess would be no; both populations are large, and drawn from the same overall population, so the Central Limit Theorem would suggest that they approximate the overall population responses. It would be interesting indeed if they didn't. Any references?

458 cosmicview  Sun, Aug 16, 2009 3:25:50pm

re: #339 SanFranciscoZionist

thank you, I must have misses her while I was watching the obama thugs beat up middle Americans.

459 solomonpanting  Sun, Aug 16, 2009 3:26:14pm

re: #448 iceweasel

I think you're deliberately missing the forest for the trees.

What is your basis for the mentally ill designation?

460 sattv4u2  Sun, Aug 16, 2009 3:27:40pm

re: #455 The Shadow Do

33 YO - older than Tiger, not a kid!

I was 22 when he was born ,, KID works for me for both of them!

461 The Shadow Do  Sun, Aug 16, 2009 3:27:40pm

Big Yang just hit the winning shot!

Go Big Yang!

462 lincolntf  Sun, Aug 16, 2009 3:28:00pm

re: #378 midwestgak

Oh boy, this is gonna be big if he beats Tiger.

463 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Aug 16, 2009 3:28:56pm

re: #458 cosmicview

thank you, I must have misses her while I was watching the obama thugs beat up middle Americans.

You're welcome!

464 The Shadow Do  Sun, Aug 16, 2009 3:28:58pm

re: #462 lincolntf

Oh boy, this is gonna be big if he beats Tiger.

First ever loss when leading on the final day

465 cosmicview  Sun, Aug 16, 2009 3:29:49pm

re: #386 Charles

Come on, I have to see that myself...show me
please show me.
It has to be a misprint...or a drug induced brain fart

466 midwestgak  Sun, Aug 16, 2009 3:29:56pm

re: #462 lincolntf

Yes, huge.

467 avanti  Sun, Aug 16, 2009 3:30:04pm

re: #422 Wendya

He doesn't seem to think the Rasmussen method of polling likely voters is particularly accurate.

It worked for them in 2008.

Rasmussen "adjusted" their polling on election day, but don't you recall the excitement on the right the end of Oct:

Rasmussen Shock Poll: McCain Within +3 Points”

That posting on Drudge sent the right-wing blogosphere into a frenzy — particularly at FreeRepublic.com — where there were bold predictions of a Mccain/Palin comeback and visions of another “Dewey Defeats Truman” scenario.

468 Sharmuta  Sun, Aug 16, 2009 3:30:28pm

re: #465 cosmicview

Or maybe it's a trend.

469 Erik The Red  Sun, Aug 16, 2009 3:30:45pm

re: #453 sattv4u2

OT ,,, This kid (Y.E. Yang ) is out Tigering Tiger on the final round

That he is. Tiger is putting like shit today.

Good Evening Lizards.

470 albusteve  Sun, Aug 16, 2009 3:30:54pm

re: #459 solomonpanting

What is your basis for the mentally ill designation?

simple answers take a long time

471 The Shadow Do  Sun, Aug 16, 2009 3:33:14pm

Tiger still alive. Two holes, down one.

472 Aye Pod  Sun, Aug 16, 2009 3:33:24pm

re: #451 albusteve

my kids didn't get into international politics and left wing causes...they didn't have time...it's a culture in college and it didn't appeal to either of them...they are both very successful so far

I absorbed a certain amount of the general lefty student vibe at university, but never went crazy with it. The conservative wing of the student union had it's fair share of right wing crazies too. Even then though, they edged the lefties in terms of teh crazy. "Hang Nelson Mandela" was one of their rallying cries.

473 Randall Gross  Sun, Aug 16, 2009 3:33:28pm

re: #465 cosmicview

Her blog has a search function if you can take off your culti-imp shades long enough to find it.

474 Sharmuta  Sun, Aug 16, 2009 3:33:44pm

Never count out Tiger.

475 albusteve  Sun, Aug 16, 2009 3:33:46pm

re: #465 cosmicview

Come on, I have to see that myself...show me
please show me.
It has to be a misprint...or a drug induced brain fart

google it yourself

476 sattv4u2  Sun, Aug 16, 2009 3:33:51pm

re: #465 cosmicview

Come on, I have to see that myself...show me
please show me.
It has to be a misprint...or a drug induced brain fart


CATEGORY,,, word to the wise
Ya know those warning signs at the animal santuaries about NOT poking the bears?

Replace animal santuary with LGF
Replace bears with Charles

whats left to be seen is if i'm talking to 'the wise"

477 [deleted]  Sun, Aug 16, 2009 3:34:03pm
478 SixDegrees  Sun, Aug 16, 2009 3:34:08pm

re: #454 NY Nana

Sorry, but Sheehag used her hero son..may he rest in peace, who enlisted to get away from her evil. Would any mother ever do this if it was not for her need for celebrity? She is the ultimate bitch.

I cry for women who who cannot become pregnant, while someone like her can? Talk about an unfit mother..she is a poster bitch.

I've always thought that Sheehan was using her celebrity and anti-war stance to avoid grieving in the first place. It's a fairly common illness; nearly everyone goes through a period of denial when they lose someone. It becomes pathological, however, when you can't proceed through this and other stages of grieving. It holds resolution in abeyance.

I agree with IceWeasel that Sheehan was abused by the Left, who abetted and even encouraged this suspension of progress to further their own political ends, then all but abandoned her when she was no longer useful to them.

At this point, Sheehan will need a vast amount of time and counseling before she's able to come to grips with her loss, if it's even possible for her to do so. Early on, it would have been easier. Now, she's entrenched herself, and she knows full well that any attempt to move away from her present position will open her up to that searing emotional pain she's avoided so far. It only gets harder the more time passes.

I'm not agreeing with any of her positions, mind you. Just pointing out that she's using them as a defense against more trauma.

479 midwestgak  Sun, Aug 16, 2009 3:34:34pm

re: #471 The Shadow Do

Tiger still alive. Two holes, down one.

Coming up:
Par 3 at 17
Par 4 at 18

480 Randall Gross  Sun, Aug 16, 2009 3:34:55pm

I've got to run and get dinner, but I'm betting on a melty before I get back.

481 NY Nana  Sun, Aug 16, 2009 3:34:56pm

re: #440 The Shadow Do

Here are 2 classics, but there are so many. I miss him so much. All the others pale in comparison:

482 EaterOfFood  Sun, Aug 16, 2009 3:35:39pm

re: #48 SanFranciscoZionist

I think that's just a hasty signature.

I used to have a boss who essentially signed with a squiggly line, making it very easy to forge his sig on things when he was out of the office for the day.

Barbera Boxer? Does she have a sister named Hanna?

483 sattv4u2  Sun, Aug 16, 2009 3:35:41pm

re: #480 Thanos

I've got to run and get dinner, but I'm betting on a melty before I get back.

Bring me back a Chocolate Melty, please,,, extra whipped cream!

484 The Left  Sun, Aug 16, 2009 3:35:54pm

re: #467 avanti

Rasmussen "adjusted" their polling on election day, but don't you recall the excitement on the right the end of Oct:

Rasmussen Shock Poll: McCain Within +3 Points”

That posting on Drudge sent the right-wing blogosphere into a frenzy — particularly at FreeRepublic.com — where there were bold predictions of a Mccain/Palin comeback and visions of another “Dewey Defeats Truman” scenario.

oh I recall that. Oh yes.

Wingnut tears taste like candy!

485 SixDegrees  Sun, Aug 16, 2009 3:36:25pm

re: #467 avanti

Rasmussen "adjusted" their polling on election day, but don't you recall the excitement on the right the end of Oct:

Rasmussen Shock Poll: McCain Within +3 Points”

That posting on Drudge sent the right-wing blogosphere into a frenzy — particularly at FreeRepublic.com — where there were bold predictions of a Mccain/Palin comeback and visions of another “Dewey Defeats Truman” scenario.

How did they "adjust" their polling?

486 albusteve  Sun, Aug 16, 2009 3:36:32pm

re: #478 SixDegrees

I've always thought that Sheehan was using her celebrity and anti-war stance to avoid grieving in the first place. It's a fairly common illness; nearly everyone goes through a period of denial when they lose someone. It becomes pathological, however, when you can't proceed through this and other stages of grieving. It holds resolution in abeyance.

I agree with IceWeasel that Sheehan was abused by the Left, who abetted and even encouraged this suspension of progress to further their own political ends, then all but abandoned her when she was no longer useful to them.

At this point, Sheehan will need a vast amount of time and counseling before she's able to come to grips with her loss, if it's even possible for her to do so. Early on, it would have been easier. Now, she's entrenched herself, and she knows full well that any attempt to move away from her present position will open her up to that searing emotional pain she's avoided so far. It only gets harder the more time passes.

I'm not agreeing with any of her positions, mind you. Just pointing out that she's using them as a defense against more trauma.

she gave herself to them...for whatever else she is, she totally stupid...she wanted the attention and she got it...

487 sattv4u2  Sun, Aug 16, 2009 3:37:35pm

re: #481 NY Nana

How Webb kept a straight face amazes me to this day

488 SurferDoc  Sun, Aug 16, 2009 3:37:48pm

re: #481 NY Nana

Here are 2 classics, but there are so many. I miss him so much. All the others pale in comparison:


[Video]

The Jack Webb routine is an all-time great!

489 [deleted]  Sun, Aug 16, 2009 3:38:14pm
490 Aye Pod  Sun, Aug 16, 2009 3:39:17pm

re: #459 solomonpanting

What is your basis for the mentally ill designation?

I don't think it's far fetched to suggest that loss of a loved one in those circumstances could send someone over the edge. Sheehan's reaction certainly looked unbalanced to me, and a lot of people IIRC. Strange to find people pleading for her sanity now.

491 The Shadow Do  Sun, Aug 16, 2009 3:39:26pm

re: #481 NY Nana

Thanks for those. What a guy.

492 [deleted]  Sun, Aug 16, 2009 3:39:41pm
493 albusteve  Sun, Aug 16, 2009 3:41:01pm

re: #490 Jimmah

I don't think it's far fetched to suggest that loss of a loved one in those circumstances could send someone over the edge. Sheehan's reaction certainly looked unbalanced to me, and a lot of people IIRC. Strange to find people pleading for her sanity now.

not the point...the question stands, imo

494 Achilles Tang  Sun, Aug 16, 2009 3:41:50pm

re: #441 Jimmah

Absolutely. Idealism can lead to dark places, especially for the naive and inexperienced.

but have we not all been idealists once?

495 debutaunt  Sun, Aug 16, 2009 3:41:58pm

re: #310 avanti

I'm confused, Blue cross/Blue shield is a non profit sort of co-op and that works fine.

AARP is supposed to be non-profit, but it gives huge amounts of money to guess who?

496 sattv4u2  Sun, Aug 16, 2009 3:42:26pm

wow ,, Tiger even LOOKS beat now!

497 Aye Pod  Sun, Aug 16, 2009 3:43:02pm

re: #484 iceweasel

oh I recall that. Oh yes.

Wingnut tears taste like candy!

The whole thing was of course a lefty plot to get those tears a-flowing./

(^_^)

498 Achilles Tang  Sun, Aug 16, 2009 3:43:03pm

re: #495 debutaunt

AARP is supposed to be non-profit, but it gives huge amounts of money to guess who?

I wish they would just send me the money they spend on postage to me.

499 NY Nana  Sun, Aug 16, 2009 3:43:07pm

re: #487 sattv4u2

Same here! It is my favorite. I wonder how many takes it took! I don't think it was live.

500 Aye Pod  Sun, Aug 16, 2009 3:44:22pm

re: #494 Naso Tang

but have we not all been idealists once?

Yep! I didn't mean to imply that all idealism must always lead to bad things, just that it can.

501 SixDegrees  Sun, Aug 16, 2009 3:44:32pm

re: #486 albusteve

she gave herself to them...for whatever else she is, she totally stupid...she wanted the attention and she got it...

All of that may be true. Probably is, in fact. All I'm saying is that grief can be a powerful force, and I suspect it was grief and the desire to avoid it that did most of the pushing, or pulling, or whatever it was that got her to where she wound up. It's quite normal, in fact, for pretty much everyone to go through a period when they assign blame for their loss to external entities - corporations, other people, whatever. It becomes abnormal when people stop progressing through these stages and become stuck in one. Cindy's "supporters" found a useful tool, and did everything in their power to shove her ever deeper into that rut, to the point where she probably won't ever be able to climb out again without extensive help. Left alone, she probably would have flung blame and vitriol around for a few weeks and then gone on to eventual healing.

Ultimately, however, you're correct that she's the one who must recognize and come to grips with her problems. It's not anyone else's job to shove help down her throat, and if she doesn't want it, it won't be effective anyway.

502 Banner  Sun, Aug 16, 2009 3:44:36pm

Politics are all about perception. Are the people going around with the obama hitler signs (if they do in fact exist) plants? It's possible, these were tactics practiced by Obama's 'mentor' and the left wing democrats are currently far better organized than any other political group in this country with access to a lot more money.

But I find it interesting that so many are quick to blame Geller, without proof, and not blame the possiblities of plants (granted there is no proof there either). And it is one thing to compare Obama to Hitler in the printed media or in Blogs, but a bit more of a thing to actually show up at town halls and the like with signs and actually do it.

Castigating people for siding with groups who are evil is one thing, castigating people for over the top rhetoric is however a rather large waste of time that could be better spent castigating your opponents. If you spend all of your time trying to defend or disassociate yourself from ridiculous over the top statements, you play into the hands of your opponents who will then frame the argument/discussion as one about what the crazies say. If you do that, you lose, period.
If you instead ignore it and continue to go after the issues that matter and attack the other side's philiosophy, their beliefs, their goals and practices, then you stand a chance of winning the debate.

This is pretty basic politics, don't any of you see that? Stop focusing on the right wing crazies, that will drag you down. Focus on attacking the policies of the left and don't get distracted. How much time did the left spend dis-avowing code pink? None, they just ignored them and moved on.

503 The Left  Sun, Aug 16, 2009 3:45:08pm

re: #497 Jimmah

The whole thing was of course a lefty plot to get those tears a-flowing./

(^_^)

trickse libs!

504 NY Nana  Sun, Aug 16, 2009 3:45:50pm

re: #491 The Shadow Do

You are most welcome. I still ROTFL every time I see it. Those were indeed the good old days re TV. Now? Feh!

505 solomonpanting  Sun, Aug 16, 2009 3:47:18pm

re: #490 Jimmah

I don't think it's far fetched to suggest that loss of a loved one in those circumstances could send someone over the edge. Sheehan's reaction certainly looked unbalanced to me, and a lot of people IIRC. Strange to find people pleading for her sanity now.

To "suggest" is one thing, but not the only thing.
I don't recall making any pronouncements as to her mental condition.

506 solomonpanting  Sun, Aug 16, 2009 3:48:45pm

BBL

507 Aye Pod  Sun, Aug 16, 2009 3:49:07pm

re: #493 albusteve

not the point...the question stands, imo

A lot of people here asked questions of Sheehan's mental state here over the years - and that's putting it mildly. I don't remember any of them being challenged to prove it, strangely enough.

No one here is in a position to give a medical diagnosis, if that is what is being demanded, but I think the signs of a certain degree of unhingyness are there to see. That is the point.

508 Sharmuta  Sun, Aug 16, 2009 3:49:41pm

re: #502 Banner

Where is pamela's proof they are plants?! She's pushing a theory without evidence while having hypocritically engaged in this same behavior!

509 Achilles Tang  Sun, Aug 16, 2009 3:50:31pm

re: #502 Banner

This is pretty basic politics, don't any of you see that? Stop focusing on the right wing crazies, that will drag you down. Focus on attacking the policies of the left and don't get distracted. How much time did the left spend dis-avowing code pink? None, they just ignored them and moved on.

You think Buchanan and his like are the equivalent of some dumb ass women in stupid hats? You think Palin's allegations of death panels are just something to ignore and move on from, when it is adopted by elected politicians?

Oh shit, I had to go and mention Palin, didn't I?

510 The Left  Sun, Aug 16, 2009 3:51:29pm

re: #509 Naso Tang

You think Buchanan and his like are the equivalent of some dumb ass women in stupid hats? You think Palin's allegations of death panels are just something to ignore and move on from, when it is adopted by elected politicians?

Oh shit, I had to go and mention Palin, didn't I?

Why do you hate America? ///

511 Achilles Tang  Sun, Aug 16, 2009 3:52:44pm

re: #510 iceweasel

Why do you hate America? ///

They call it love/hate for good reason...

;=)

512 doubter4444  Sun, Aug 16, 2009 3:55:51pm

re: #115 father_of_10

You don't think we should go after the commies and the socialists and the statists and the enemies of the constitution?

No. NO.NO.
Just who the hell do you think you are, going after the "commies and the socialists and the statists and the enemies of the constitution?"

Who the hell are you, are deciding who those people are?
People who don't agree with you, that's who they are.
That's vigilantism, pure and simple, and it smacks of intolerance, and acceptance of any sort of behavior that YOU don't support, regardless that it is legal.
You DON'T STAND FOR ME!
Sooner or later, with the craziness going on and the vitriol rising, I think people are going to have to make a stand.
And I'll stand with those I may not agree with for the sake of this nation, and not with those who tell me who my friend and associates can be.

GTFOOH

513 avanti  Sun, Aug 16, 2009 3:56:32pm

re: #485 SixDegrees

How did they "adjust" their polling?

They won't say, but they got very good at the end, maybe changed their weighing of dems/reps, maybe after looking at the other polls. Zogby did the same. Nate Silver adjusted for the bias and nailed it.

514 Banner  Sun, Aug 16, 2009 3:58:31pm

re: #508 Sharmuta

Where is pamela's proof they are plants?! She's pushing a theory without evidence while having hypocritically engaged in this same behavior!

And where is the proof that Pam's the one behind it? The point is to just ignore it. Otherwise the argument is no longer about socialized medicine, but instead about people carrying obama/hitler signs at town hall meetings. understand?

515 Aye Pod  Sun, Aug 16, 2009 3:59:57pm

re: #503 iceweasel

Angel - Love it!

516 scrubjay  Sun, Aug 16, 2009 4:00:34pm

I'd have to go with the Pelosi connection. I don't remember any association between Obamacare and Hitler until Congresswoman Pelosi mentioned swastikas. When Rush Limbauugh told 20 million people about her statement that is when the Hitler signs and references began to explode.

517 albusteve  Sun, Aug 16, 2009 4:00:40pm

re: #507 Jimmah

A lot of people here asked questions of Sheehan's mental state here over the years - and that's putting it mildly. I don't remember any of them being challenged to prove it, strangely enough.

No one here is in a position to give a medical diagnosis, if that is what is being demanded, but I think the signs of a certain degree of unhingyness are there to see. That is the point.

follow the thread...

518 Banner  Sun, Aug 16, 2009 4:02:04pm

re: #509 Naso Tang

You think Buchanan and his like are the equivalent of some dumb ass women in stupid hats? You think Palin's allegations of death panels are just something to ignore and move on from, when it is adopted by elected politicians?

Oh shit, I had to go and mention Palin, didn't I?

Buchanan is pretty much Cindy Sheehan. As for Palin's allegations, go read her speech, then think about the politics involved. She was using a very tried and true political tactic and it worked for her. (Reducto ad absurdia I think it how you spell it, pardon my lack of latin abilities). Remember all the non-cut cuts the Democrats used to go on and on about. Same thing. Palin is an experienced politician, they just try to put her quotes out to make her look foolish. They may succeed like the did with Dan Quayle. Only time will tell.

519 Sharmuta  Sun, Aug 16, 2009 4:02:04pm

re: #502 Banner

castigating people for over the top rhetoric is however a rather large waste of time that could be better spent castigating your opponents.

It's no different than castigating our opponents for their rhetoric. When it's over the line, it's over the line regardless of who is doing it.

520 Banner  Sun, Aug 16, 2009 4:02:57pm

re: #519 Sharmuta

It's no different than castigating our opponents for their rhetoric. When it's over the line, it's over the line regardless of who is doing it.

You really have no understanding of politics, do you?

521 Cato the Elder  Sun, Aug 16, 2009 4:07:57pm

re: #446 solomonpanting

As long as Palin is re: #442 swamprat

Godwins' parallel;

If a thread on lgf goes on long enough, Sarah Palin will be discussed.

As long as Palin is in the news, she will be disgust.

522 Achilles Tang  Sun, Aug 16, 2009 4:13:06pm

re: #516 scrubjay

I'd have to go with the Pelosi connection. I don't remember any association between Obamacare and Hitler until Congresswoman Pelosi mentioned swastikas. When Rush Limbauugh told 20 million people about her statement that is when the Hitler signs and references began to explode.

Funny how references change. When I was younger and first got into online debates (elsewhere), there was a rule that said anyone who mentioned the H word in an argument automatically lost for being a simpleton jackass.

523 Achilles Tang  Sun, Aug 16, 2009 4:18:27pm

re: #518 Banner

As for Palin's allegations, go read her speech, then think about the politics involved. She was using a very tried and true political tactic and it worked for her.

And if I had any doubts before, it lost my vote, but you go right ahead and call it clever if that is how you think.

524 Mich-again  Sun, Aug 16, 2009 4:23:30pm

What Palin did was steal the "old people eating dog food" scare tactic from the debates about social security reform. Hey, it worked back then.

525 Banner  Sun, Aug 16, 2009 4:24:22pm

re: #523 Naso Tang

And if I had any doubts before, it lost my vote, but you go right ahead and call it clever if that is how you think.

Be honest, she never had your vote in the first place.
But right now it's not about getting votes, the election is three years off after all.

526 Aye Pod  Sun, Aug 16, 2009 4:25:11pm

re: #517 albusteve

follow the thread...

Actually I think you should follow the thread a little more closely and try to take in what is being said regarding the kind of mental illness we are talking about, and then realise how uncontroversial that is when used to describe Sheehan.

527 yochanan  Sun, Aug 16, 2009 4:32:00pm

sorry charles i just read the new york slime report you link and the comments fellowing it the n.y. slime seems to have forgotten the 4 other american presidents that the left called nazi and used snicklegruber labels and if you look at the comments section it is in full blown BDS that make even pam look rational.

the more i look at it the more i think left wing astro turfing to discredit the right

at least on photo i saw was of a black man holding a large pic of obama with a snicklegruber moustace said black man worked for congresscritter dingle.

528 The Left  Sun, Aug 16, 2009 4:45:29pm

re: #526 Jimmah

Actually I think you should follow the thread a little more closely and try to take in what is being said regarding the kind of mental illness we are talking about, and then realise how uncontroversial that is when used to describe Sheehan.

We want the finest wines available. And cake.

529 P. Aaron  Sun, Aug 16, 2009 4:45:50pm

According to 2 different eyewitnesses at a John Dingell (D) townhall here in metro Detroit, an African American man was carrying an Obama as Hitler sign at the event who was unharrassed by anybody.

The same sign carrier was seen later at a table with local Union members handing out pro-Obama care liturature.

I heard this substantiated on WJR-AM 760 in Detroit on Frank Beckman's morning show by 2 callers who were both at the event.

Some Dems are trying to taint the protesters as extremists.

530 yochanan  Sun, Aug 16, 2009 4:53:18pm

re: #529 P. Aaron

this is the pic i saw and was talking about.
a little astroturfing saul alinsky once sent some supporters to a reagan event as KKK'ers to support him.

531 Achilles Tang  Sun, Aug 16, 2009 5:04:04pm

re: #525 Banner

Be honest, she never had your vote in the first place.
But right now it's not about getting votes, the election is three years off after all.

She did when McCain chose her, but then she opened her mouth.

532 Aye Pod  Sun, Aug 16, 2009 5:34:45pm

re: #528 iceweasel

We want the finest wines available. And cake.

And we want them here. And now.

533 Sharmuta  Sun, Aug 16, 2009 5:39:32pm

re: #520 Banner

So you support adopting Alinsky tactics?

534 Caboose  Sun, Aug 16, 2009 5:42:30pm

I am going to get into SO much trouble with some of the Jewish ladies on this list for posting this link (which is the main reason why I didn't just copy the lyrics here), but Pam Geller, thissong is for (about) YOU!!!

Vapor lock!!!

535 MittDoesNotCompute  Sun, Aug 16, 2009 5:44:12pm

re: #423 SanFranciscoZionist

My parents watched it, but I was too young to really follow plot lines or characters.

You can always watch it on Hulu...

536 armaros  Sun, Aug 16, 2009 5:45:09pm

Killgore Trout

re: #68 Sharmuta

She's still pushing the very questionable story about the teen girl and the honor killing threat.

As is Spencer, Chesler and many others.
The issue is not whether her story is fishy or not, it is about whether you (or the state) want to take the chance given the obvious history of Muslim killings for apostasy and/or honor, well documented in the US, UK, Canada and France to name a few...
Being out in the open declaring her Christian faith and condemning Islam has not only placed her in danger of her family but any of the many nuts out there willing to fight the holy war.

It will be late and silly to say sorry once her head is separate from her body.

537 Charles Johnson  Sun, Aug 16, 2009 5:54:10pm

re: #536 armaros

As is Spencer, Chesler and many others.
The issue is not whether her story is fishy or not, it is about whether you (or the state) want to take the chance given the obvious history of Muslim killings for apostasy and/or honor, well documented in the US, UK, Canada and France to name a few...
Being out in the open declaring her Christian faith and condemning Islam has not only placed her in danger of her family but any of the many nuts out there willing to fight the holy war.

It will be late and silly to say sorry once her head is separate from her body.

And exactly what evidence do you have that her family intends to murder her? I saw the video and they sure didn't look like crazed fanatics who wanted to kill their family member to me -- but hey, what do I know? I've only reported on honor killings for 8 years.

Are you aware that the preacher who's sheltering her is exactly the kind of crazed fanatic you're trying to say her family is?

538 SFGoth  Sun, Aug 16, 2009 5:56:09pm

re: #537 Charles

I dunno, but with the track record in the Muslim community, I don't think you take a chance.

539 Charles Johnson  Sun, Aug 16, 2009 6:38:36pm

re: #538 SFGoth

I dunno, but with the track record in the Muslim community, I don't think you take a chance.

With Pamela Geller's track record, any cause she supports should be automatically subject to extreme skepticism.

540 Athos  Sun, Aug 16, 2009 7:09:45pm

re: #539 Charles

With Pamela Geller's track record, any cause she supports should be automatically subject to extreme skepticism.

Checking in from Hollywood / Bev Hills - Charles, you are far too kind. No skepticism - outright ridicule is called for.

541 armaros  Sun, Aug 16, 2009 7:09:54pm

Charles

"And exactly what evidence do you have that her family intends to murder her? "

What evidence you have that she is lying? Judging from one video a 5 year process is not what I would call diligent.

At any time a woman or a child was abused or murdered, there were warning signs and some believed them some didn't.

We know Muslims did this in the USA /Can in the past. That is a fact. We also know she is claiming they threatened her.
We also know her conversion occurred 4 years before finding this pastor whom I am not a bigger fan of than you are.

So my question is will you take the chance?
Will you take the chance with any child or woman claiming danger or abuse even if some may be lying or just exaggerating.
This has nothing to do with the credibility of her, the pastor or Pamela Geller.
It is about what is prudent, especially given the kids age of 17 where court proceedings can drag out until her 18th Bday when she can make a free choice.
Kids have been taken from smoking or cussing fathers in the US in divorces.
So why the fuss about letting this play out.

I d rather be wrong and have her live in Florida with Christian nuts than be wrong and have her sent back home and read later that her body was found in a ditch.

She is now in danger, perhaps because of her own doing by coming out so hard about Islam, but danger none the less. As things stand there are Muslims ready to kill her already outside of her family.

542 Charles Johnson  Sun, Aug 16, 2009 7:11:55pm

Good freaking grief.

543 Dr. Shalit  Sun, Aug 16, 2009 8:26:31pm

re: #374 The Shadow Do

Yang. I will now call him Big Yang, is kicking Tiger's butt.

Shadow Do -

Tiger is the Greatest Golfer of his Generation. That said, Congratulations to "Big Yang" on his win.
Better to be "Big Yang" than "Little Dong," i.e. the DPRK.

-S-

544 Dr. Shalit  Sun, Aug 16, 2009 8:34:58pm

re: #541 armaros

amaros -

The poor Girl sounds like a Muslim Elian Gonzalez with a LOT MORE Urgency of NOW. That is all.

-S-

545 Karridine  Sun, Aug 16, 2009 8:53:58pm

There ARE a few Muslims with the courage and integrity to speak publicly in defense of human rights... here's one...

546 Yankee Division Son  Sun, Aug 16, 2009 8:54:53pm
Just check out this Google search of her site for pages that contain both words “Obama” and “Hitler,” with about 1,250 results.

Ouch... that's gonna leave a mark.

And thanks Charles, for calling a spade a spade. Comparing anyone to Hitler doesn't float with me, be it Bush or Obama. My Dad helped liberate Gusen, and walked through both the Eagles Nest, and (what was left of) Hitler's Berghof and told me about all of them. There is no comparison in the scale of evil of the man. Period. God willing, there never will be again.

547 Charles Johnson  Sun, Aug 16, 2009 9:02:21pm

Honestly, some of you folks will swallow anything as long it makes Muslims look like subhumans. You should be ashamed.

548 Sharmuta  Sun, Aug 16, 2009 9:14:52pm

Washington Times' Hypocritical Obama-Nazi Slur

One of the ugly ironies in the Right’s depiction of President Barack Obama as Hitler and health reform as a plan for Nazi-style euthanasia is that the owner of the Washington Times, which has pushed this line of attack, has longstanding ties with World War II-era Nazis, neo-Nazis and rightist “death squads.”

549 MisterCookie  Sun, Aug 16, 2009 10:36:55pm

re: #541 armaros

We know Muslims did this in the USA /Can in the past.

I wish I could apply this sort of nonsense logic to other situations. "We know Irishmen have dented cars in the past! Obviously, this Irishmen dented my car!"

That is a fact. We also know she is claiming they threatened her.

And her concrete evidence is where...? Where are the other groups coming forward with evidence of threat? Fuck, you'd accept spectral evidence if it confirmed your hate of Muslims.

Piss off and go back to GoV.

550 armaros  Mon, Aug 17, 2009 1:15:50am

Mistercookie

"And her concrete evidence is where...? Where are the other groups coming forward with evidence of threat? Fuck, you'd accept spectral evidence if it confirmed your hate of Muslims."

Oh "fuck" you re emotional when your brain twists in a direction your dogma doesn't allow it to.

What evidence does any child have when going to protective services claiming she is threatened by her parents?
I never once said I believed her. But there is a strong chance she is not lying which is based on precedent. So why take the chance and send her back with no questions because it may look like Muslims are singled out here?

You CAIR too much

You are trying to make an exception here because they re Muslims not I.
If a X-tian kid comes forward that her dad threatened to kill her, protective services would also take the case.

And No the Irish do not dent the cars of their own daughters...
But you would recommend searching them at the airport also right?

Check the Irish guy...and Mistercookie feels safe...

BS and not even a nice try using words like "hate" when you have no evidence of my hate toward anybody. It seems your scrutiny is misplaced here and you re willing to pass judgment on me while you re supposed to scold me for lack of "evidence"

551 orangutan  Mon, Aug 17, 2009 11:21:37am

I had no idea the right had co-opted the left's classic "___ is Hitler" slur. After all, it makes no sense - historically, ideologically, you name it. I stand corrected. This is hideous.

552 Hawaii69  Mon, Aug 17, 2009 2:13:37pm

re: #211 father_of_10

The left has far more kooks and nutjobs than the right does.

Keep telling yourself that.

553 Hawaii69  Mon, Aug 17, 2009 2:16:09pm

re: #551 orangutan

I had no idea the right had co-opted the left's classic "___ is Hitler" slur. After all, it makes no sense - historically, ideologically, you name it. I stand corrected. This is hideous.

Yeah...Whaddaya know. "Moron" is not a politcal ideology, regardless of what some would like to think.

A real eye opener for many, I am sure.

554 armaros  Mon, Aug 17, 2009 3:20:10pm

Charles:
"Honestly, some of you folks will swallow anything as long it makes Muslims look like subhumans. You should be ashamed."

Poll: 78% of Pakistanis Support Death Penalty for Leaving Islam
[Link: www.realcourage.org...]

and in the UK (where most Muslims share the same ethnic background) the story is not much nicer:

[Link: news.bbc.co.uk...]

So why should this not be relevant when a child says her dad threatened her? Fear of looking like an "Islamophobe"?

Then what evidence the airline had about imams wanting blow the plane up just because they prayed loud and had beards.

I don't consider Muslims sub-human but Islam in its un-reformed form is another story...


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