Ron Paulbots celebrate as Fox News turns Judge Andrew Napolitano’s web show “Freedom Watch” into a daily disgrace.
Quotes from Napolitano:
Lew Rockwell has done more to cement the intellectual foundations of the movement for liberty than anybody else today.
[…]
Oh my God, here is the modern day Thomas Jefferson. [speaking about Ron Paul]
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turn Mon, Aug 17, 2009 6:18:13am |
sheesh he is praising Lew Rockwell, that is a disgrace. Charles is up early, morning lizards.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Mon, Aug 17, 2009 6:18:45am |
I don’t watch FOX or any other news outlet on TV. I doubt watching this video will make my day better, so I decline to do so.
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iceweasel Mon, Aug 17, 2009 6:20:50am |
Lew Rockwell???
Shit. The Wingularity approaches.
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turn Mon, Aug 17, 2009 6:21:03am |
Is this clip mono or are my stereo headphones screwed up?
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iceweasel Mon, Aug 17, 2009 6:21:29am |
re: #2 turn
sheesh he is praising Lew Rockwell, that is a disgrace. Charles is up early, morning lizards.
Morning turn, you beat me to it. :)
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turn Mon, Aug 17, 2009 6:22:26am |
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Ghost of a Dopefish Mon, Aug 17, 2009 6:22:53am |
Charles is certainly up early this morning. Truthfully, I haven’t watched Fox News since the days of the Iraq war. I suppose it’s a good thing, seeing the direction they’ve been heading. The sad thing is, a lot of otherwise sane and good people are getting more and more swayed by this kind of stuff - the Mrs. Fish’s father has taken to listening to a Texas evangelist who is a Nirther and a FEMA conspiracy theorist.
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Koyaanistaaqa Mon, Aug 17, 2009 6:23:58am |
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BlueCanuck Mon, Aug 17, 2009 6:23:59am |
re: #5 turn
Is this clip mono or are my stereo headphones screwed up?
Is it only coming from the right side? It may be a feature…
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_RememberTonyC Mon, Aug 17, 2009 6:24:44am |
looks like it’s time for an email to Mr Ailes … between beck’s idiocy and the promotion of extreme right wingnuts, FOX is at risk of pissing away its credibility.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Mon, Aug 17, 2009 6:24:50am |
re: #8 thedopefishlives
My BIL is an Alex Jones fan. And I have friends that are Paulians. This is the reason I drink.
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turn Mon, Aug 17, 2009 6:25:57am |
re: #10 BlueCanuck
Is it only coming from the right side? It may be a feature…
Actually it’s coming from the left side, they surely must be broken then. ha Morning BC, I see your health care system is hurting.
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Spenser (with an S) Mon, Aug 17, 2009 6:26:32am |
There truly are questions asked of this administration on FN that are asked nowhere else in the MSM, their WH reporters actually know how to ask a follow-up when brushed off and they have given our troops more support and praise than all the other outlets combined but come on, people! Pull your heads out.
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_RememberTonyC Mon, Aug 17, 2009 6:26:42am |
I’m off to volunteer at a home for the elderly for a few hours today. I hope you all have a good day and I will check back later.
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Ghost of a Dopefish Mon, Aug 17, 2009 6:27:28am |
re: #12 Cannadian Club Akbar
My BIL is an Alex Jones fan. And I have friends that are Paulians. This is the reason I drink.
The thing is, my father-in-law is a good man at heart, but he is easily taken in by conspiracy theories. It’s mostly because he is readily willing to believe any source that quotes the Scripture in an interpretation that he agrees with. And then I go and talk to my mother-in-law, who is the only person who could possibly influence him the other way, and she defers to him because that’s the sort of relationship they have. And the Mrs. Fish and I just sit back and shake our heads and groan inwardly at the whole mess. *sigh*
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NelsFree Mon, Aug 17, 2009 6:29:14am |
Ouch.
Good Morning Dr, Ice Turn, Spens, Fish, and all,
Say, isn’t there a Dr. of renown who studies the Icelandic Tern, which Spends a lot of time Fishing?
/eerie coincidence
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iceweasel Mon, Aug 17, 2009 6:30:37am |
re: #16 thedopefishlives
The thing is, my father-in-law is a good man at heart, but he is easily taken in by conspiracy theories. It’s mostly because he is readily willing to believe any source that quotes the Scripture in an interpretation that he agrees with. And then I go and talk to my mother-in-law, who is the only person who could possibly influence him the other way, and she defers to him because that’s the sort of relationship they have. And the Mrs. Fish and I just sit back and shake our heads and groan inwardly at the whole mess. *sigh*
I’ve got a friend whose parents are just like that. It’s hard. You have my sympathies.
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NelsFree Mon, Aug 17, 2009 6:30:39am |
Dear. Joe Pyne. I remember seeing some commercials for him. He was on late at night, I think.
Well, got to go to work. C ya!
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Walter L. Newton Mon, Aug 17, 2009 6:30:41am |
re: #14 Spenser (with an S)
There truly are questions asked of this administration on FN that are asked nowhere else in the MSM, their WH reporters actually know how to ask a follow-up when brushed off and they have given our troops more support and praise than all the other outlets combined but come on, people! Pull your heads out.
They have! And they see what the majority of the audience wants, and they are giving it to them. Follow the money.
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Randall Gross Mon, Aug 17, 2009 6:31:52am |
“I’ll tell you a crazy story…”
I bet he’ll tell nothing but crazy stories.
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iceweasel Mon, Aug 17, 2009 6:31:55am |
re: #22 Walter L. Newton
They have! And they see what the majority of the audience wants, and they are giving it to them. Follow the money.
In the case of Glenn Beck though, not only are they mainstreaming paranoia but I think they’re exploiting someone with a mental condition.
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esch Mon, Aug 17, 2009 6:33:30am |
re: #24 iceweasel
In the case of Glenn Beck though, not only are they mainstreaming paranoia but I think they’re exploiting someone with a mental condition.
Possibly. But that sure sounds like the majority of DailyKos and HuffPo.
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BlueCanuck Mon, Aug 17, 2009 6:33:32am |
re: #24 iceweasel
In the case of Glenn Beck though, not only are they mainstreaming paranoia but I think they’re exploiting someone with a mental condition.
Who? Alex Jones or Glenn Beck?
/
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turn Mon, Aug 17, 2009 6:33:42am |
re: #16 thedopefishlives
More often than not we end up sharing our parent’s view in life I would hazard to guess. How did Mrs. Fish avoid taking on her parent’s mind set fish?
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BlueCanuck Mon, Aug 17, 2009 6:34:35am |
re: #13 turn
Morning turn. Our health system has been hurting for years. Every one starts screaming when conservatives even mention the word reform.
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Ghost of a Dopefish Mon, Aug 17, 2009 6:34:52am |
re: #27 turn
More often than not we end up sharing our parent’s view in life I would hazard to guess. How did Mrs. Fish avoid taking on her parent’s mind set fish?
She has, on a few specific issues - mostly having to do with immunization. Other than that, the reason she hasn’t is because she respects my intelligence and my knowledge of current events. She knows her parents are a bit sheltered when it comes to knowing what’s really going on in the world.
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Desert Dog Mon, Aug 17, 2009 6:35:28am |
re: #24 iceweasel
In the case of Glenn Beck though, not only are they mainstreaming paranoia but I think they’re exploiting someone with a mental condition.
Yes, that is absolutely true. It’s just like giving a live microphone to Keith Olbermann.
FoxsNews has, once again, put profits over principles. It is a business, so the share holders are smiling. But, as the saying goes, when you lay down with dogs, you rise up with fleas. In this instance, nutjob conspiracy and racist fleas. Going after this audience will be a short term gain for them, someone with half a brain over at the headquarters should chime in before it’s too late.
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turn Mon, Aug 17, 2009 6:35:41am |
re: #18 NelsFree
Ouch.
Good Morning Dr, Ice Turn, Spens, Fish, and all,
Say, isn’t there a Dr. of renown who studies the Icelandic Tern, which Spends a lot of time Fishing?
/eerie coincidence
Yes, when he catches them he nels over, unhooks them, and sets them free.
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turn Mon, Aug 17, 2009 6:36:21am |
re: #29 thedopefishlives
She has, on a few specific issues - mostly having to do with immunization. Other than that, the reason she hasn’t is because she respects my intelligence and my knowledge of current events. She knows her parents are a bit sheltered when it comes to knowing what’s really going on in the world.
Somehow I thought you would say you have had a big influence on her, right on.
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Randall Gross Mon, Aug 17, 2009 6:38:03am |
Napolitano is dipping deep into dominionist spiel here: natural laws come from god, not man. The Gary North way to attack the constitution.
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Randall Gross Mon, Aug 17, 2009 6:39:01am |
I expect we will see Alex Jones, Lew Rockwell, Jason Raimondo and other slimeballs on this show.
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Desert Dog Mon, Aug 17, 2009 6:39:03am |
Gotta get going, time to exploit the workers and reap ridiculous profits off the backs of the proletariat!
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Ghost of a Dopefish Mon, Aug 17, 2009 6:39:24am |
re: #32 turn
Somehow I thought you would say you have had a big influence on her, right on.
Well, it helps that she is more of a logical and independent thinker than her parents. She doesn’t take anyone’s word at face value; she listens to facts. So all I really have to do is lay out the facts, and then she understands easily enough. She does have a hard time telling bad facts from good facts, but then again, don’t we all at times?
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albusteve Mon, Aug 17, 2009 6:39:35am |
new VDH, fresh outa the oven
[Link: pajamasmedia.com…]
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Walter L. Newton Mon, Aug 17, 2009 6:40:24am |
re: #24 iceweasel
In the case of Glenn Beck though, not only are they mainstreaming paranoia but I think they’re exploiting someone with a mental condition.
I’ve paid attention to Beck off and on for a number of years, especially as he has become wackier and wackier. Yes, I certainly see an obsessive/compulsive personality (admitted by him) taking control of the person, at the most inopportune time, while performing.
The other side of this, many entertainers and politicians are motivated by obsessive/compulsive disorders or narcissism, two disorders that drive a lot of these professions.
I think we exploit most politicians by letting them into office.
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turn Mon, Aug 17, 2009 6:41:35am |
re: #36 thedopefishlives
Well, it helps that she is more of a logical and independent thinker than her parents. She doesn’t take anyone’s word at face value; she listens to facts. So all I really have to do is lay out the facts, and then she understands easily enough. She does have a hard time telling bad facts from good facts, but then again, don’t we all at times?
Yes, the old take everything with a grain of salt advice applies more today than it ever has. Is she an anti vaxer fish?
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iceweasel Mon, Aug 17, 2009 6:41:42am |
re: #30 Desert Dog
Yes, that is absolutely true. It’s just like giving a live microphone to Keith Olbermann.
FoxsNews has, once again, put profits over principles. It is a business, so the share holders are smiling. But, as the saying goes, when you lay down with dogs, you rise up with fleas. In this instance, nutjob conspiracy and racist fleas. Going after this audience will be a short term gain for them, someone with half a brain over at the headquarters should chime in before it’s too late.
I updinged you, but to me Olbermann is more like Rush. Not a crazy person but an entertainer who is basically out to work a certain schtick til they get money. I could totally imagine either of them as working “for the other side”.
You’re totally right about Faux News, IMO.
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DaddyG Mon, Aug 17, 2009 6:42:05am |
Drudge is running a story that advertisers are pulling their spots from Glenn Back after his “Obama is a racist” show. Do these people even know what they are doing to themselves?
The Dems are making health care the third rail of politics while Fox is insuring that conservative reporting will be associated with tabloid journalism for decades to come.
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iceweasel Mon, Aug 17, 2009 6:42:23am |
re: #35 Desert Dog
Gotta get going, time to exploit the workers and reap ridiculous profits off the backs of the proletariat!
Hey, someone has to be “The Man”, it might as well be you!
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Ghost of a Dopefish Mon, Aug 17, 2009 6:43:21am |
re: #39 turn
Yes, the old take everything with a grain of salt advice applies more today than it ever has. Is she an anti vaxer fish?
Yeah, but there’s a powerful argument from emotion being made there, and you know how women are where it concerns their children. I suspect that’s going to be one tough sell.
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turn Mon, Aug 17, 2009 6:44:04am |
Has anybody here read Beck’s book “Common Sense” (well anybody brave enough to admit it)? I’m actually thinking about reading that to try and figure out what makes that guy tick.
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turn Mon, Aug 17, 2009 6:45:20am |
re: #41 DaddyG
I must have missed that at Drudge this AM DG, is it still posted?
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Charpete67 Mon, Aug 17, 2009 6:45:34am |
re: #40 iceweasel
I updinged you, but to me Olbermann is more like Rush. Not a crazy person but an entertainer who is basically out to work a certain schtick til they get money. I could totally imagine either of them as working “for the other side”.
You’re totally right about Faux News, IMO.
…one man’s entertainer is another man’s crackpot…
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Walter L. Newton Mon, Aug 17, 2009 6:46:07am |
re: #30 Desert Dog
Yes, that is absolutely true. It’s just like giving a live microphone to Keith Olbermann.
FoxsNews has, once again, put profits over principles. It is a business, so the share holders are smiling. But, as the saying goes, when you lay down with dogs, you rise up with fleas. In this instance, nutjob conspiracy and racist fleas. Going after this audience will be a short term gain for them, someone with half a brain over at the headquarters should chime in before it’s too late.
It won’t be to late. These people know what they are doing. Just like they moved away from their moderate conservative audience and moved to the wackier right, they will adjust again as soon as they see the next source of revenue.
Come on folks, these people are not stupid.
You can pontificate all you want, but the bottom line is the numbers. If this is attracting audiences, they will know and play to it. If they start loosing audiences, they will know WAY before you know, and they will adjust, before you have any influence over the issue.
While we are sitting here complaining, they’ve spent hundreds and thousands of dollars already doing pilots and holding focus marketing sessions. Most of the time they know where the next pot of gold is before you even see the rainbow.
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Charpete67 Mon, Aug 17, 2009 6:47:11am |
re: #49 Walter L. Newton
It won’t be to late. These people know what they are doing. Just like they moved away from their moderate conservative audience and moved to the wackier right, they will adjust again as soon as they see the next source of revenue.
Come on folks, these people are not stupid.
You can pontificate all you want, but the bottom line is the numbers. If this is attracting audiences, they will know and play to it. If they start loosing audiences, they will know WAY before you know, and they will adjust, before you have any influence over the issue.
While we are sitting here complaining, they’ve spent hundreds and thousands of dollars already doing pilots and holding focus marketing sessions. Most of the time they know where the next pot of gold is before you even see the rainbow.
apparently MSNBC didn’t do focus groups because they’re getting their ass kicked…:)
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Randall Gross Mon, Aug 17, 2009 6:48:21am |
re: #49 Walter L. Newton
It’s attracting a niche audience only, it’s not a growth product. It’s like they’ve given up the real fight.
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turn Mon, Aug 17, 2009 6:48:49am |
re: #43 thedopefishlives
Yeah, but there’s a powerful argument from emotion being made there, and you know how women are where it concerns their children. I suspect that’s going to be one tough sell.
The turnwife and I have always given our boys what ever vaccination the pediatricians recommended. Do you have children fish? I hesitate to ask, by your comment about the emotion thing.
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turn Mon, Aug 17, 2009 6:49:36am |
re: #46 McSpiff
is that the one “based off” of Thomas Paine?
[Link: www.glennbeck.com…]
rut ro, that might get deleted turn.
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Ghost of a Dopefish Mon, Aug 17, 2009 6:51:36am |
re: #52 turn
The turnwife and I have always given our boys what ever vaccination the pediatricians recommended. Do you have children fish? I hesitate to ask, by your comment about the emotion thing.
No, there are no fishlings yet. Thankfully, the Mrs. Fish seems in every other respect to be the exact opposite of most “modern” parents; she doesn’t want our future kids to live in little bubbles. Her anti-vaccination thing is because she says she’s heard firsthand stories of horrible things happening to kids who were vaccinated and she doesn’t want to risk that happening to our kids.
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Walter L. Newton Mon, Aug 17, 2009 6:52:54am |
re: #51 Thanos
It’s attracting a niche audience only, it’s not a growth product. It’s like they’ve given up the real fight.
How do you know it’s a “niche” audience? From many of the topics that Charles has posted here on LGF, and the comments I have seen here, it seems that the general trend is that this craziness is much more widespread than some expect. At least that’s what is being said here.
That’s the meme I keep hearing on LGF. And now you are suggesting it’s just a “niche” audience and not a growth product.
Is this big enough that it’s damning the conservative party or is it just blip on a radar screen? Now I am really confused?
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opnion Mon, Aug 17, 2009 6:53:22am |
re: #51 Thanos
It’s attracting a niche audience only, it’s not a growth product. It’s like they’ve given up the real fight.
Their ratings are very strong.
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MandyManners Mon, Aug 17, 2009 6:53:24am |
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EaterOfFood Mon, Aug 17, 2009 6:53:46am |
re: #2 turn
sheesh he is praising Lew Rockwell, that is a disgrace. Charles is up early, morning lizards.
I have no use for an unreconstructed Lincoln-hater.
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turn Mon, Aug 17, 2009 6:53:50am |
re: #54 thedopefishlives
No, there are no fishlings yet. Thankfully, the Mrs. Fish seems in every other respect to be the exact opposite of most “modern” parents; she doesn’t want our future kids to live in little bubbles. Her anti-vaccination thing is because she says she’s heard firsthand stories of horrible things happening to kids who were vaccinated and she doesn’t want to risk that happening to our kids.
Hopefully you and the pediatrician will be able to convince her otherwise should it become time to spawn.
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Walter L. Newton Mon, Aug 17, 2009 6:55:08am |
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Ghost of a Dopefish Mon, Aug 17, 2009 6:56:00am |
re: #60 turn
Hopefully you and the pediatrician will be able to convince her otherwise should it become time to spawn.
I’m working on it. Off to an all-day meeting, enjoy the day, I will see you all at a similar time tomorrow.
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DaddyG Mon, Aug 17, 2009 6:56:30am |
re: #47 turn
I must have missed that at Drudge this AM DG, is it still posted?
I lost the link but here is the article:
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turn Mon, Aug 17, 2009 6:56:39am |
re: #59 EaterOfFood
I have no use for an unreconstructed Lincoln-hater.
I never cared for the guy even before I found out he was a creationist by following LGF.
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Charpete67 Mon, Aug 17, 2009 6:56:42am |
re: #51 Thanos
It’s attracting a niche audience only, it’s not a growth product. It’s like they’ve given up the real fight.
[Link: tvbythenumbers.com…]
how can a “niche” be two or three times larger than the other channels?
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Kenneth Mon, Aug 17, 2009 6:57:08am |
re: #44 turn
Has anybody here read Beck’s book “Common Sense” (well anybody brave enough to admit it)? I’m actually thinking about reading that to try and figure out what makes that guy tick.
Money.
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freetoken Mon, Aug 17, 2009 6:57:11am |
re: #37 albusteve
new VDH, fresh outa the oven
[Link: pajamasmedia.com…]
Not so convinced by his statements, e.g.:
…if Michelle gets angry and emerges with more “this is a downright mean country” sermonizing, if Biden starts talking his astrology, …
Those statements are just VDH fishing for response from the crowd.
The public was mad at Bush for deficit spending…
Sorry, not buying that one either.
The Republicans so far have not offered any alternative for Obamism. They need to craft a plan that shows us how we are to be balancing budgets in 24 months, and paying down the debt in 36.
And that just shows how out of touch with reality VDH has become. It took almost 8 years from the end of the cold war “peace dividend” until, under Clinton, we had an annual deficit that had shrunk to small size. To think we can do that in these times in 2 years is La-La-land thinking.
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Erik The Red Mon, Aug 17, 2009 6:57:34am |
Good Morning Lizards. I hope everyone has a great week. My kids start school on Wednesday and my life should start to settle into a routine. Now I need to find an positive income stream. :)
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laZardo Mon, Aug 17, 2009 6:58:34am |
When liberals and (sane) conservatives rightfully bash Fox News…that’s Fair and Balanced!
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DaddyG Mon, Aug 17, 2009 6:58:58am |
re: #68 Erik The Red
Good Morning Lizards. I hope everyone has a great week. My kids start school on Wednesday and my life should start to settle into a routine. Now I need to find an positive income stream. :)
If you want a productive income stream don’t waste the kids time on School. There must be a woolen mill or blacking shop somewhere for them to toil in. (Darn child labor laws). /
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opnion Mon, Aug 17, 2009 6:59:21am |
re: #58 MandyManners
It never ceases to amaze me that the same people who keep up the mind numbing “Palin is stupid ” meme, have no problem with Pelosi being number 3 in line to the Presidency.
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Erik The Red Mon, Aug 17, 2009 7:00:15am |
re: #70 DaddyG
If you want a productive income stream don’t waste the kids time on School. There must be a woolen mill or blacking shop somewhere for them to toil in. (Darn child labor laws). /
Once they both reach 14 that sounds like a plan. :)
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lincolntf Mon, Aug 17, 2009 7:00:46am |
re: #71 opnion
Seriously. She’s dumb as a stump. I can’t listen to her for more than a minute at a time without feeling my brain shrink.
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Kosh's Shadow Mon, Aug 17, 2009 7:00:57am |
re: #70 DaddyG
If you want a productive income stream don’t waste the kids time on School. There must be a woolen mill or blacking shop somewhere for them to toil in. (Darn child labor laws). /
Children used to work in the coal mines, too. Too bad Obama is putting them out of business.
///
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wahabicorridor Mon, Aug 17, 2009 7:01:00am |
re: #71 opnion
It never ceases to amaze me that the same people who keep up the mind numbing “Palin is stupid ” meme, have no problem with Pelosi being number 3 in line to the Presidency.
You know what? We’re hearing soft rumblings that the Dems are none too happy with that woman and she may lose the speaker’s office in 2010.
One can hope…
morning lizards!
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DaddyG Mon, Aug 17, 2009 7:01:15am |
I’ve been ignoring the blog wars for the most part. Someone tell me about Andrew McCarthy at NRO? His article Nazis for me, but not for theehas been making the rounds. I agree with some of the sentiments in it but am hesitant to spread it depending on the messengers history.
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Charpete67 Mon, Aug 17, 2009 7:01:48am |
re: #58 MandyManners
republican protesters need more pink…or cowbell…or some other wacky shtick before they are considered reasonable and patriotic.
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turn Mon, Aug 17, 2009 7:01:58am |
re: #63 DaddyG
I lost the link but here is the article:
Thanks. The article said Geiko spends half a billion but it wasn’t clear if that was all on Fox, probably not. They just shifted it to other programs on Fox so no hit to the bottom line.
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opnion Mon, Aug 17, 2009 7:02:01am |
re: #73 lincolntf
Seriously. She’s dumb as a stump. I can’t listen to her for more than a minute at a time without feeling my brain shrink.
Pelosi can make your teeth itch.
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DaddyG Mon, Aug 17, 2009 7:03:02am |
re: #78 turn
Thanks. The article said Geiko spends half a billion but it wasn’t clear if that was all on Fox, probably not. They just shifted it to other programs on Fox so no hit to the bottom line.
Yup. But they will want to keep someone who can draw big bucks in those prime time slots. Beck will put himself out of business if his franchise gets to whacky.
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MandyManners Mon, Aug 17, 2009 7:03:10am |
I useta’ like the judge a lot. I respected his legal acumen and gave weight to his opinion. Once Charles started showing us his connections to Alex Jones and the like, my opinion of him started changing.
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Charpete67 Mon, Aug 17, 2009 7:03:51am |
re: #73 lincolntf
Seriously. She’s dumb as a stump. I can’t listen to her for more than a minute at a time without feeling my brain shrink.
even if she says something intelligent, she follows almost every statement with that goofy giggle that drives me nuts…
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Cannadian Club Akbar Mon, Aug 17, 2009 7:03:53am |
re: #81 DaddyG
Yup. But they will want to keep someone who can draw big bucks in those prime time slots. Beck will put himself out of business if his franchise gets to whacky.
Beck isn’t in a prime slot.
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turn Mon, Aug 17, 2009 7:05:15am |
re: #81 DaddyG
Yup. But they will want to keep someone who can draw big bucks in those prime time slots. Beck will put himself out of business if his franchise gets to whacky.
I wonder if all that promotion Bill gives him is genuine.
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DaddyG Mon, Aug 17, 2009 7:06:08am |
re: #85 Cannadian Club Akbar
Beck isn’t in a prime slot.
Just goes to show ho much I’ve been paying attention to cable and MSM news outlets. Thanks for the clarification.
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albusteve Mon, Aug 17, 2009 7:06:52am |
Dean won’t get on the bus…
[Link: news.yahoo.com…]
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Ward Cleaver Mon, Aug 17, 2009 7:07:28am |
re: #8 thedopefishlives
Charles is certainly up early this morning. Truthfully, I haven’t watched Fox News since the days of the Iraq war. I suppose it’s a good thing, seeing the direction they’ve been heading. The sad thing is, a lot of otherwise sane and good people are getting more and more swayed by this kind of stuff - the Mrs. Fish’s father has taken to listening to a Texas evangelist who is a Nirther and a FEMA conspiracy theorist.
What’s this evangelist’s name?
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turn Mon, Aug 17, 2009 7:07:56am |
Well I better do my little part in that big thing called capitalism. I read where the marked is expected to tank today, we’ll see. bbl
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Ward Cleaver Mon, Aug 17, 2009 7:08:47am |
Napolitano is supposed to be one of the headline speakers at the Fort Worth “9/12” rally. God help us.
(slams head on keyboard)
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reloadingisnotahobby Mon, Aug 17, 2009 7:09:16am |
re: #2 turn
sheesh he is praising Lew Rockwell, that is a disgrace. Charles is up early, morning lizards.
Was thinking the same thing…
I’ll bet he’s hitting road on his bike …
Beautiful day in Cali…I here!
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DaddyG Mon, Aug 17, 2009 7:09:53am |
re: #94 Ward Cleaver
(slams head on keyboard)
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You might want to get that wgEbh checked out by a dermatologist. Do you spend much time in the sun without a hat?
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turn Mon, Aug 17, 2009 7:10:00am |
re: #92 Kenneth
Beck is making money doing this.
Oh, sorry. Yes it’s obvious that’s a big incentive to writing a book. I’m seriously considering reading it. bbl
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reloadingisnotahobby Mon, Aug 17, 2009 7:11:21am |
re: #90 McSpiff
I thought you had to be “On It” to be Thrown under it!
Can’t keep up with all the rule changing goin on!
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iceweasel Mon, Aug 17, 2009 7:11:25am |
re: #76 DaddyG
I’ve been ignoring the blog wars for the most part. Someone tell me about Andrew McCarthy at NRO? His article Nazis for me, but not for theehas been making the rounds. I agree with some of the sentiments in it but am hesitant to spread it depending on the messengers history.
Andy McCarthy is head nirther over at NRO, despite the fact that NRO itself has denounced nirtherism.
Haven’t read this piece yet myself, but approach anything by him with extreme caution. (I’m surprised he hasn’t gotten the boot from NRO yet.)
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turn Mon, Aug 17, 2009 7:12:01am |
re: #95 reloadingisnotahobby
Was thinking the same thing…
I’ll bet he’s hitting road on his bike …
Beautiful day in Cali…I here!
High of 100 here in the valley today, clear and sunny. Much cooler down where Charles is no doubt.
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reloadingisnotahobby Mon, Aug 17, 2009 7:13:03am |
re: #100 turn
We started with a low of 38 …What the &^*%!!
It’s August &^mn it!!
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albusteve Mon, Aug 17, 2009 7:13:43am |
re: #94 Ward Cleaver
Napolitano is supposed to be one of the headline speakers at the Fort Worth “9/12” rally. God help us.
(slams head on keyboard)
89y890tv-5by89twEU890YAEH wgEbh ARHEmk h 90
say goodbye to the GOP, the party of ideas all right
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Killian Bundy Mon, Aug 17, 2009 7:15:01am |
re: #102 albusteve
say goodbye to the GOP, the party of ideas all right
/Beck and Napolitano are hard core Libertarians
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MandyManners Mon, Aug 17, 2009 7:15:18am |
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Ward Cleaver Mon, Aug 17, 2009 7:16:05am |
Well, the whole cash for clunkers is turning into a financial nightmare for the new car dealers. They’re fronting the $3500 or $4500 for the rebates (and having to pay interest on that money, no doubt), and the reimbursement rate is currently running at two percent. Four out of five rebate requests are being denied over technicalities or paperwork reasons, so car dealers may wind up losing a bundle over the deal.
Auto Dealers Paid for Just 2 Percent of ‘Clunkers’ Claims, Congressman Says
And who’s leading the charge to try to help the dealers? Joe Sestak, the guy who will probably torpedo any chance that Arlen Specter will get to run for reelection next November.
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Ward Cleaver Mon, Aug 17, 2009 7:16:57am |
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Yashmak Mon, Aug 17, 2009 7:16:59am |
Oh my God, here is the modern day Thomas Jefferson.
[speaking about Ron Paul]
I never knew Thomas Jefferson was a crazy person.
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Kenneth Mon, Aug 17, 2009 7:17:46am |
Some observers in Tehran claim that today Brig.-Gen. Hassan Firouzabadi is the regime’s true strongman. “This is now a military-security regime,” says a Tehran University political scientist. “And in it, Firouzabadi is the big figure.”
The 54-year-old general’s friends call him khepeleh (roly-poly) because of his bulk. His detractors call him kheeki (windbag). He likes to emphasize his origins in the southern province of Fars, the ancient Persian heartland. He also uses the title of sayyed, denoting his claim of descent from Prophet Muhammad. He calls the “liberation of Jerusalem” his “ultimate dream” and wears a Palestinian keffiyah as a neck-scarf.
He once had no thought of a military career. But when he failed his university exams, a friend of his father advised him to join the Revolutionary Guard. That friend was Ali Khamenei, then an aide to Khomeini and now the “supreme guide.”
Dissidents describe Ahmadinejad’s “arranged victory” as a coup d’etat by Firouzabadi-led Guard officers. That may be an exaggeration. What’s certain, however, is that the regime has come to depend on the military as never before.
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Occasional Reader Mon, Aug 17, 2009 7:18:10am |
re: #76 DaddyG
I’ve been ignoring the blog wars for the most part. Someone tell me about Andrew McCarthy at NRO? His article Nazis for me, but not for theehas been making the rounds. I agree with some of the sentiments in it but am hesitant to spread it depending on the messengers history.
As far as I know, McCarthy is solid. I’ve never seen him connected to any Paulian/birther/etc. nuttery. And I’ve liked his work at NRO.
Good morning, all.
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realwest Mon, Aug 17, 2009 7:19:28am |
Good morning y’all - from a warm (77 degrees going up to 88, T-storms and all that jazz) Charlotte and I gotta go run errands. Just stopped by and shocked to see Charles is up so early these days. Gee, I don’t know, when I got to be as old as Charles is older, I found it harder and harder to get up early, ya know?
Anyway, drive by:
re: #94 Ward Cleaver
I honestly never heard of Judge Napolitano until I saw something about him out here! So I think y’all are safe!
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opnion Mon, Aug 17, 2009 7:20:36am |
re: #104 Killian lBundy
l
/Beck and Napolitano are hard core Luence ibemember artarians
lRe
That’s true & neither has any influence in the Republican Party.
On the other hand all of the Dem Presidential Candidates attended the Yearly Kos. He does have some infleuence in the Dem Party.
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albusteve Mon, Aug 17, 2009 7:21:19am |
re: #104 Killian Bundy
/Beck and Napolitano are hard core Libertarians
playing to a vast audience of republicans…90% of Fox viewers wouldn’t know a libertarian from a librarian…like Walter asked, like I’ve asked several times…how big is the fringe?, how much influence does it already have?, and are you willing to align yourself with creationists, nirthers, Paulians etc?…are independants enough to toss out BO?…
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iceweasel Mon, Aug 17, 2009 7:21:37am |
re: #110 Occasional Reader
As far as I know, McCarthy is solid. I’ve never seen him connected to any Paulian/birther/etc. nuttery. And I’ve liked his work at NRO.
Good morning, all.
hey OR, good morning—
Andy McCarthy, nirther. Bad news. He dresses up nirtherism and loonery and tries to argue that it all shows something about…Obama, not lunatics.
Charles has pointed out that McCarthy’s wacko as well, FWIW.
There is some other issue that McCarthy has been terrible on, but it’s slipping my mind at the moment.
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Occasional Reader Mon, Aug 17, 2009 7:21:46am |
Suicide bomb kills 20, injures over 100 in Russia
NAZRAN, Russia – A suicide bomber attacked a police station in Russia’s North Caucasus with an explosives-laden truck Monday, killing at least 20 people and wounding more than 100 others, officials said.
The bombing was the deadliest in years in the restive southern region, denting Kremlin claims that the area was stabilizing after two wars in Chechnya and mounting violence in surrounding provinces since 1994. While most fighting in Chechnya has ended, Islamic militants continue to mount regular hit-and-run attacks and skirmishes in neighboring provinces.
And of course, whose fault is it? You know who…
Ingushetia’s Kremlin-appointed president, badly wounded in another suicide bombing in June, said Monday’s attack had been organized by militants trying to avenge recent security sweeps in the forests along the mountainous border with Chechnya.
[…]
He blamed Chechen separatist warlord Doku Umarov for the June attack on his convoy, saying the perpetrators had been be tracked down, according to an interview with Russian News Service radio. He vowed to hunt down Umarov and other rebel warlords.He also accused the United States, Britain and Israel of fomenting instability in the North Caucasus, saying “the West will try to prevent Russia from restoring its Soviet-era might.” He did not elaborating [sic].
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Spenser (with an S) Mon, Aug 17, 2009 7:21:53am |
re: #110 Occasional Reader
As far as I know, McCarthy is solid. I’ve never seen him connected to any Paulian/birther/etc. nuttery. And I’ve liked his work at NRO.
Morning, OR. See #99. Either you or Ice is quite wrong.
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Walter L. Newton Mon, Aug 17, 2009 7:22:07am |
re: #110 Occasional Reader
As far as I know, McCarthy is solid. I’ve never seen him connected to any Paulian/birther/etc. nuttery. And I’ve liked his work at NRO.
Good morning, all.
But what about that part about him being a conservative. Suspicious to me?
/
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MandyManners Mon, Aug 17, 2009 7:23:40am |
re: #110 Occasional Reader
As far as I know, McCarthy is solid. I’ve never seen him connected to any Paulian/birther/etc. nuttery. And I’ve liked his work at NRO.
Good morning, all.
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lawhawk Mon, Aug 17, 2009 7:24:00am |
Greets and saluts from the NYC metro area. The Russians are reporting that a massive truck bomb killed at least 20 in the Caucasus Mt. city of Nazran. The truck barreled through barricades and slammed in to the police station, exploding.
The attacker on Monday rammed the truck through the gates of the Nazran city police headquarters, in Ingushetia province, and detonated about 440 pounds of explosives as police officers were lining up for a morning check, said Svetlana Gorbakova of the regional branch of the Investigative Committee of the Russian Prosecutor General’s office.Police had fired shots at the truck, but failed to stop it. The blast triggered a raging fire that destroyed a weapons room where ammunition detonated.
It took rescue teams several hours to search for victims in the ruins. A nearby apartment building and several office buildings were also damaged, and burned-out cars littered the street. The attacker and the truck were pulverized by the blast, Gorbakova said.
At least 20 people were killed and 60 wounded, she said, though official figures on the number of wounded varied. Ruslan Koloyev, the acting head of the Emergency Ministry’s branch in Ingushetia, said on Rossiya television that 92 people were injured.
Chechen rebels may have been behind the attack and have been active in the area, nearly killing the president of Ingushetia in a terror attack in June.
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Spenser (with an S) Mon, Aug 17, 2009 7:24:05am |
re: #115 Occasional Reader
warlord Doku
OK, I blame him. My kids have me watching Star Wars- The Clone Wars and I know the Warlord Count Douku is a very bad man.
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SteveC Mon, Aug 17, 2009 7:24:22am |
Found this in one of the medical blogs i read - thought it was pretty good:
Remember that movie where, after a couple of hours it is finally revealed that the chick is a dude? That’s kind of like President Obama. All of his breathless supporters thought he was a beautiful, sensitive, caring girl but now 200 days into his presidency he has shown everybody his penis and, although they still want to like him, it’s hard now because the chick’s a dude, man. Sort of changes everything. I mean, she still sounds the same, looks the same, is wearing the same clothes but she’s a guy…and all but his most ardent followers must be squirming in their seats to think they were ever attracted.
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DaddyG Mon, Aug 17, 2009 7:24:49am |
re: #99 iceweasel
Thanks Ice. I thought I’d seen his name invoked here before and that was probably why. I was intrigued by the article because it does bring up a very valid point I’ve been having trouble articulating.
Sadly as the term Nazi has been thrown about to tar any ideaology that anyone disagrees with it cheapens the horror of what Hitler’s Germany did (as pointed out by other Lizards). There is another more sublte side effect of the casual use of Nazi as a slur (and Commie too).
When governments move towards more centralized power and authority it does not automatically make them dictatorial. However, it does make the groud more fertile for dictatorship to grow. Conservative government (meaning small central government and individual freedom/responsibility) is fundamental to the long term fiscal and social health of our country IMO. It is hard to argue what is going on isn’t reminiscent of social movements prior to WWII in Europe and Asia that ended disasterously. But invoking Nazi or Commie as a cheap slur takes something very important away from the discourse and I’m not just talking civility.
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Occasional Reader Mon, Aug 17, 2009 7:25:24am |
re: #114 iceweasel
Andy McCarthy, nirther.
Um…
The mission of National Review has always included keeping the Right honest, which includes debunking crackpot conspiracy theories. The theory that Obama was born in Kenya, that he was smuggled into the U.S., and that his parents somehow hoodwinked Hawaiian authorities into falsely certifying his birth in Oahu, is crazy stuff. Even Obama’s dual Kenyan citizenship is of dubious materiality: It is a function of foreign law, involving no action on his part
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Kenneth Mon, Aug 17, 2009 7:26:02am |
re: #118 MandyManners
Obama never utilized his Kenyan citizenship, if indeed he ever did have it. Therefore, at the time of his election he was only a US citizen, natural born.
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MandyManners Mon, Aug 17, 2009 7:26:18am |
re: #110 Occasional Reader
First sentence of last paragraph: The point here is not to join another crackpot conspiracy, the “Obama as Muslim Manchurian Candidate” canard.
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Occasional Reader Mon, Aug 17, 2009 7:26:38am |
re: #120 Spenser (with an S)
OK, I blame him. My kids have me watching Star Wars- The Clone Wars and I know the Warlord Count Douku is a very bad man.
I just made a Douku a few minutes ago. Coffee usually has that effect.
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DaddyG Mon, Aug 17, 2009 7:26:39am |
re: #113 albusteve
playing to a vast audience of republicans…90% of Fox viewers wouldn’t know a libertarian from a librarian…
Libertine librarians… be still my heart. /
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albusteve Mon, Aug 17, 2009 7:26:43am |
are 12 babies even possible?
[Link: www.thesun.co.uk…]
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Cannadian Club Akbar Mon, Aug 17, 2009 7:27:46am |
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Occasional Reader Mon, Aug 17, 2009 7:28:17am |
re: #125 Kenneth
Obama never utilized his Kenyan citizenship, if indeed he ever did have it. Therefore, at the time of his election he was only a US citizen, natural born.
McCarthy appears to make basically the same point. Hard to dismiss this as a simple “nirther” argument. He’s instead talking about Obama’s playing fast and loose with his life story. Which, uh, he has.
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Yashmak Mon, Aug 17, 2009 7:28:24am |
re: #115 Occasional Reader
“the West will try to prevent Russia from restoring its Soviet-era might.” He did not elaborating [sic].
Uh, I would hope we would indeed try to prevent such a thing.
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Kenneth Mon, Aug 17, 2009 7:28:33am |
You may have heard this song performed by several other artists. Here’s the man who wrote The Maker
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reloadingisnotahobby Mon, Aug 17, 2009 7:28:45am |
re: #129 albusteve
Holy diaper rash Batman…It’s Cat Woman!!
Good luck lady!
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bloodnok Mon, Aug 17, 2009 7:29:35am |
The sleepers truly are sleeping in this morning. We are past 100 comments and there have been none of the following:
“This is bad BUT I’m more worried about teh left”
“This is Fox News on the web -he’s not even on the TV news channel”
“You’re imagining Paulians under every rock”
“I’m no Paulian BUT have you considered the benefits of complete isolationism, disastrous economic policy and all the liberty you can eat?”
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Kosh's Shadow Mon, Aug 17, 2009 7:29:44am |
re: #126 MandyManners
First sentence of last paragraph: The point here is not to join another crackpot conspiracy, the “Obama as Muslim Manchurian Candidate” canard.
We know Obama can’t be a “sekrit Muslim” because his religion is clear - he worships himself.
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Occasional Reader Mon, Aug 17, 2009 7:29:46am |
re: #133 Yashmak
Uh, I would hope we would indeed try to prevent such a thing.
What, you have some problem with the slaughter of 30-40 million people, and the enslavement of hundreds of millions more? Sheesh, some people!
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katemaclaren Mon, Aug 17, 2009 7:30:21am |
Although, obviously it seems a bit silly to seriously question Obama’s citizenship as US now—but really, he barely made it! Hawaii became a state in 1959, I think. I wonder what would be the consequences of being born in 1959—a few minutes before statehood?
A little o/t here, but…I am far more interested in his academic records and the courses he took, and anything he wrote. Since I’m a professor, I wonder why no one has ever bothered with entering any “Rate My Professor” remarks—or even come out of the ivied halls with some comments on Prof. Obama—or even STUDENT Obama. Maybe they have, but I don’t live in a vacuum—and haven’t seen any.
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MandyManners Mon, Aug 17, 2009 7:30:48am |
re: #138 Kosh’s Shadow
We know Obama can’t be a “sekrit Muslim” because his religion is clear - he worships himself.
Oh, you know it.
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SteveC Mon, Aug 17, 2009 7:30:57am |
re: #123 katemaclaren
It’s George Bush’s fault!
Gen 4:6 And the LORD said unto Cain, Why art thou wroth? and why is thy countenance fallen?
Gen 4:7 And Cain saith, Yea, Lord it is not my fault, but the fault of George W. Bush!
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DaddyG Mon, Aug 17, 2009 7:31:05am |
re: #137 bloodnok
The sleepers truly are sleeping in this morning. We are past 100 comments and there have been none of the following:
“This is bad BUT I’m more worried about teh left”
“This is Fox News on the web -he’s not even on the TV news channel”
“You’re imagining Paulians under every rock”
“I’m no Paulian BUT have you considered the benefits of complete isolationism, disastrous economic policy and all the liberty you can eat?”
Well… it all goes without saying. /
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iceweasel Mon, Aug 17, 2009 7:31:10am |
re: #122 DaddyG
Thanks Ice. I thought I’d seen his name invoked here before and that was probably why. I was intrigued by the article because it does bring up a very valid point I’ve been having trouble articulating.
No problem. Agree with your other points as well, btw.
I know a few people here posted links to the “Suborned in the USA” article and Charles quite rightly pointed out that it was awful.
I haven’t looked at this new article of his yet, and there may well be something useful in it— but he does have a history of some slippery statements and questionable positions. There is another topic he’s been wacko on. I can’t recall what it was and don’t think I saw it mentioned here. I’ll look for it. Anyway, proceed with caution w/r/t him.
I do think NRO will can him within the year, btw. Especially now that Rich Lowry has taken over the editorship. Just my opinion.
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SteveC Mon, Aug 17, 2009 7:31:52am |
re: #127 Occasional Reader
I just made a Douku a few minutes ago. Coffee usually has that effect.
Oh, man, did you flush?
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funky chicken Mon, Aug 17, 2009 7:32:05am |
re: #54 thedopefishlives
No, there are no fishlings yet. Thankfully, the Mrs. Fish seems in every other respect to be the exact opposite of most “modern” parents; she doesn’t want our future kids to live in little bubbles. Her anti-vaccination thing is because she says she’s heard firsthand stories of horrible things happening to kids who were vaccinated and she doesn’t want to risk that happening to our kids.
You need to find lots of information about what rubeola (red) measles do to kids. I’d also look up pertussis (whooping cough) and strep. pneumoniae, and HiB meningitis. All are horrifying and all are prevented by vaccines. I just took my Jr. High student kids in for their pneumovax shots because they didn’t get the strep vaccine as babies because it came out too late.
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katemaclaren Mon, Aug 17, 2009 7:32:17am |
re: #121 SteveC
Found this in one of the medical blogs i read - thought it was pretty good:
Funny! I think the movie is The Crying Game, right?
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katemaclaren Mon, Aug 17, 2009 7:32:48am |
re: #142 SteveC
Oh THAT is so funny! Made my morning coffee jiggle with delight!
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Land Shark Mon, Aug 17, 2009 7:34:03am |
Ron Paulbots, good one, Charles.
Yet another reason not to watch Fox News. Between the scandal news and all these kooks, it’s hard to take ‘em seriously. I know some folks see them as an alternative to the liberal bias of the MSM, but a channel full of kooks doesn’t cut it either.
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opnion Mon, Aug 17, 2009 7:34:10am |
re: #138 Kosh’s Shadow
We know Obama can’t be a “sekrit Muslim” because his religion is clear - he worships himself.
“We are the ones that we have waited for” Sounds a little like , “I am who am”.
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SteveC Mon, Aug 17, 2009 7:34:44am |
re: #145 laZardo
The New Obama Edition? q;
Quite possible! Psalms 2:1 reads “Why do the heathen rage, and the people imagine a vain thing?” That sounds like something else we can pin on GWB!
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funky chicken Mon, Aug 17, 2009 7:35:04am |
re: #110 Occasional Reader
As far as I know, McCarthy is solid. I’ve never seen him connected to any Paulian/birther/etc. nuttery. And I’ve liked his work at NRO.
Good morning, all.
McCarthy lost me during the election by writing lots of screeds bashing McCain. You know, it was McCain or Obama, and idiots like McCarthy hurt conservative turnout which helped to elect Obama.
I’ll let Mandy take it from here…
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Coracle Mon, Aug 17, 2009 7:35:46am |
re: #152 opnion
“We are the ones that we have waited for” Sounds a little like , “I am who am”.
Except for the whole single/plural thing.
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Spenser (with an S) Mon, Aug 17, 2009 7:36:29am |
re: #137 bloodnok
re: #137 bloodnok
“This is bad BUT I’m more worried about teh left”
“This is Fox News on the web -he’s not even on the TV news channel”
“You’re imagining Paulians under every rock”
“I’m no Paulian BUT have you considered the benefits of complete isolationism, disastrous economic policy and all the liberty you can eat?”
Is it considered good form to be so disappointed that “crazies” don’t show up that you make up comments for them yourself?
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J.S. Mon, Aug 17, 2009 7:37:26am |
re: #76 DaddyG
I read Andrew McCarthy’s “Willful Blindness” about the first WTC attack…he led the prosecution of the Blind Sheik…(he says things which in Canada would be verboten, taboo — or “politically incorrect.” Voltaire’s sentiment comes to mind…At times, I think he may stray into rhetoric which is overblown, but he has a right, imo, to express his beliefs…)
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opnion Mon, Aug 17, 2009 7:37:32am |
re: #155 Coracle
Except for the whole single/plural thing.
Uh Huh, but the meaning sounds the same. BHO often uses the Royal “WE”
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Coracle Mon, Aug 17, 2009 7:38:04am |
re: #158 opnion
Uh Huh, but the meaning sounds the same. BHO often uses the Royal “WE”
I guess it depends what ears you’re using.
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SteveC Mon, Aug 17, 2009 7:38:04am |
re: #151 Land Shark
Ron Paulbots, good one, Charles.
Yet another reason not to watch Fox News. Between the scandal news and all these kooks, it’s hard to take ‘em seriously. I know some folks see them as an alternative to the liberal bias of the MSM, but a channel full of kooks doesn’t cut it either.
Last Summer Fox News was Natile Halloway, all the time!
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katemaclaren Mon, Aug 17, 2009 7:38:58am |
re: #150 Kenneth
Kenneth! That is a very COOL video! Thanks! Boy George never looked so good!
Did you see the film? I think Miranda Richardson was so good in that movie. She is a bit of a chameleon, too, a bit like Cate Blanchett.
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SteveC Mon, Aug 17, 2009 7:39:17am |
re: #152 opnion
“We are the ones that we have waited for” Sounds a little like , “I am who am”.
Popeye?
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iceweasel Mon, Aug 17, 2009 7:39:25am |
re: #160 SteveC
Last Summer Fox News was Natile Halloway, all the time!
Yeah. It’s the Missing White Woman news channel, when it’s not the Glenn Beck comedy hour.
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katemaclaren Mon, Aug 17, 2009 7:39:56am |
re: #158 opnion
I have noticed that and wondered if he were referring to Michelle or Rahm! He doesn’t look much like the Queen.
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Walter L. Newton Mon, Aug 17, 2009 7:40:05am |
All this crazy seething and outrage by conservatives has gotten out of control. We are seeing it at these town hall meetings, on talk radio, hell, I even heard some conservative in Walmarts men’s room raging about Obamacare (that was scary, I had to report him to the greeter).
And what happens, well, the administration got back at us. They look like they are going to pull the public option, they removed the “end of life” language, Murtha suggests that a health care bill probably won’t pass until at least Jan. 2010, if at all and Obama is adjusting his party line at these public gatherings where he is speaking.
The conservatives better be careful. If we keep up protesting this and making our feelings known, this whole thing may fall apart.
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Gang of One Mon, Aug 17, 2009 7:40:17am |
re: #152 opnion
“We are the ones that we have waited for” Sounds a little like , “I am who am”.
“You Are Everybody” by Driveshaft might work also …
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yma o hyd Mon, Aug 17, 2009 7:40:26am |
Hiya Lizard Nation!
Can’t believe you’re over 150 posts already on a thread, and not languishing on the ODT!
As its Monday morning for you, I thought you might like to start the week with a cartoon …
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katemaclaren Mon, Aug 17, 2009 7:40:37am |
re: #162 SteveC
You guys are killing me! “I yam whut I yam!”
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Kosh's Shadow Mon, Aug 17, 2009 7:41:14am |
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laZardo Mon, Aug 17, 2009 7:41:25am |
re: #169 katemaclaren
Am I the only one here that actually ate their spinach as a kid?
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katemaclaren Mon, Aug 17, 2009 7:41:55am |
re: #165 Walter L. Newton
All this crazy seething and outrage by conservatives has gotten out of control. We are seeing it at these town hall meetings, on talk radio, hell, I even heard some conservative in Walmarts men’s room raging about Obamacare (that was scary, I had to report him to the greeter).
And what happens, well, the administration got back at us. They look like they are going to pull the public option, they removed the “end of life” language, Murtha suggests that a health care bill probably won’t pass until at least Jan. 2010, if at all and Obama is adjusting his party line at these public gatherings where he is speaking.
The conservatives better be careful. If we keep up protesting this and making our feelings known, this whole thing may fall apart.
Couple thousand updings, Walt, for your Twainian comment!
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katemaclaren Mon, Aug 17, 2009 7:42:34am |
re: #171 laZardo
I LOVED spinach then AND now. It does rather color the output, though!
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yma o hyd Mon, Aug 17, 2009 7:42:57am |
re: #171 laZardo
Am I the only one here that actually ate their spinach as a kid?
Nope.
But we were forced to eat it by our mum, who had some rpetty good ways of making us do what we didn’t want to …
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DaddyG Mon, Aug 17, 2009 7:43:11am |
Breaking News: Obama’s god like powers do not extend to his staff!
The White House previously would not answer questions on how the e-mails landed unsolicited in so many inboxes. White House Press Secretary Robert Gibbs on Thursday said he couldn’t give an answer until he saw who received the e-mails because he doesn’t have “omnipotent clarity.”
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J.S. Mon, Aug 17, 2009 7:43:11am |
I think it’s becoming very easy to demonize and/or paint anyone with smears (whether it’s “nazi,” “fascist,” and now we have new terms — “trutherism” or “birthers” — but, I think prior to the immediate acceptance of such stinking labels, or slapping a label on someone, let’s look at “the evidence”, if any…shall we?)
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Cannadian Club Akbar Mon, Aug 17, 2009 7:43:27am |
re: #171 laZardo
Am I the only one here that actually ate their spinach as a kid?
I did. With Tabasco. Actually, still do.
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DaddyG Mon, Aug 17, 2009 7:43:30am |
re: #171 laZardo
Am I the only one here that actually ate their spinach as a kid?
Yes. Yes you are. That explains a lot. /
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laZardo Mon, Aug 17, 2009 7:43:47am |
re: #175 DaddyG
Breaking News: Obama’s god like powers do not extend to his staff!
…
Ewww.
/Hump day is 2 days away, mind.
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Spenser (with an S) Mon, Aug 17, 2009 7:44:10am |
re: #171 laZardo
re: #169 katemaclaren
Am I the only one here that actually ate their spinach as a kid?
Nope, our family chows on it. With a little balsamic or with some new potatoes and Garam Masala.
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Gang of One Mon, Aug 17, 2009 7:44:22am |
re: #171 laZardo
Am I the only one here that actually ate their spinach as a kid?
If mom threw it into the salad, I ate it. Now, as an adult [hah!] I like it prepared in many different ways — especially in a quiche.
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katemaclaren Mon, Aug 17, 2009 7:44:25am |
re: #168 yma o hyd
Hiya Lizard Nation!
Can’t believe you’re over 150 posts already on a thread, and not languishing on the ODT!
As its Monday morning for you, I thought you might like to start the week with a cartoon …
Hey Wales! Loved that cartoon! It’s quite the metaphor for what’s going on in the world isn’t it? Fred is very like many world leaders…they know who they are, too.
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SteveC Mon, Aug 17, 2009 7:45:14am |
re: #171 laZardo
Am I the only one here that actually ate their spinach as a kid?
Liar! Your lover told me that you were not “strong to the finish!”
*RUNS!*
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DaddyG Mon, Aug 17, 2009 7:45:40am |
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opnion Mon, Aug 17, 2009 7:46:03am |
re: #159 Coracle
I guess it depends what ears you’re using.
Stop it, stop it , your humor is killing me! Nothing like snark in the morning.
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katemaclaren Mon, Aug 17, 2009 7:46:27am |
re: #166 Gang of One
“You Are Everybody” by Driveshaft might work also …
We are the world…we are the …
…and we’d like to teach the world to sing and give the world some Coke…(that would be from South America or possibly Afghanistan)
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razorbacker Mon, Aug 17, 2009 7:46:31am |
re: #165 Walter L. Newton
(that was scary, I had to report him to the greeter).
What, pray tell, did you expect that sweet little old nonagenarian to do?
Whack him about the head and shoulders with a sugar cookie, mayhap?
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katemaclaren Mon, Aug 17, 2009 7:46:55am |
re: #186 opnion
Stop it, stop it , your humor is killing me! Nothing like snark in the morning.
That would be “the SMELL” of snark in the morning, if you please!
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Walter L. Newton Mon, Aug 17, 2009 7:47:05am |
re: #180 buzzsawmonkey
Package will be in mail this morning. (mysterious, isn’t it?)
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yma o hyd Mon, Aug 17, 2009 7:47:15am |
On a more serious note:
Do you think it might actually be better if the GOP only won a few seats in 2010? as opposed to getting a hefty swing?
My reason for this is that so far, the Dems and PB0 own it all, and thus can be blamed for everything: economy, health care, you name it.
Once they lose, say, the majority in the Senate, they will certainly blame each and every failure on the baaad republicans who won’t help the poor … and thus can smear their way into a second term for PB0.
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Kenneth Mon, Aug 17, 2009 7:47:20am |
re: #161 katemaclaren
I saw the movie once, long ago. I enjoyed Forrest Whittaker’s performance very much.
Boy George however, is just plain creepy.
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Dark_Falcon Mon, Aug 17, 2009 7:47:21am |
re: #88 albusteve
Dean won’t get on the bus…
[Link: news.yahoo.com…]
Keep on pushing, Howie. You’ll make a fool out of yourself again and we’ll bring the popcorn.
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funky chicken Mon, Aug 17, 2009 7:48:39am |
I also recommend the “Jenny McCarthy Body Count” … if you click on the highlighted words in the text you get to links that describe her moonbattishness quite well.
[Link: www.jennymccarthybodycount.com…]
There’s your counter argument based upon emotion.
I would also think the revelations about Andrew Wakefield and his completely fraudulent research would be effective.
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laZardo Mon, Aug 17, 2009 7:49:00am |
re: #185 DaddyG
Mind, it’d be Bill working all the (diplomatic) magic.
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yma o hyd Mon, Aug 17, 2009 7:49:23am |
re: #183 katemaclaren
Hey Wales! Loved that cartoon! It’s quite the metaphor for what’s going on in the world isn’t it? Fred is very like many world leaders…they know who they are, too.
Hiya Kate - thats a very interesting take!
I was simply reminded of Big Dog going on a Fred-like rampage whenever there were bluebottles buzzing about.
Disgusting dog actually ate them if and when he caught them !
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opnion Mon, Aug 17, 2009 7:49:24am |
re: #164 katemaclaren
I have noticed that and wondered if he were referring to Michelle or Rahm! He doesn’t look much like the Queen.
Tough call.
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SteveC Mon, Aug 17, 2009 7:49:31am |
OT - Top Ten Reasons to date a Congenital Heart Defect Survivor:
#10 – Admit it… scars are hot!
#9 – Our childhood wasn’t “normal” – so it’s alright if yours wasn’t either.
#8 – Listening to a CHDer’s funky heart beat & us listening to your strangely normal one encourages cuddling.
#7 – You have a built in excuse to check out our smokin’ hot torsos.
#6 – We know from experience that vulnerability is nothing to be ashamed of and can even be a strength.
#5 – Accompanying us to our cardiology appointments can offer fabulous opportunities for travel and site-seeing!
#4 – CHDers need to trust you enough to know that you won’t let them down. If you’re dating a CHDer, you’ve been judged and found worthy.
#3 – Sternotomy scars accentuate cleavage.
#2 – We understand how precious life is and we’re not going to waste it!
#1 – We know EXACTLY how to make your heart race… !
(You Lady Lizards listenin’?)
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Gang of One Mon, Aug 17, 2009 7:50:07am |
re: #190 Walter L. Newton
Package will be in mail this morning. (mysterious, isn’t it?)
Morning, Walt. Talking about mysteries, some time ago, you were conversing with another poster about the ABC series Lost. I just thought I’d mention that I mysteriously became addicted to it over the last few weeks — saw each episode of season one one after the other at Hulu.com, and went out to rent seasons two and three. Are you still a fan?
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katemaclaren Mon, Aug 17, 2009 7:50:33am |
re: #193 Dark_Falcon
Keep on pushing, Howie. You’ll make a fool out of yourself again and we’ll bring the popcorn.
And when he finds the Revered One backing down in earnest we will be waiting for THE scream…
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BlackFedora Mon, Aug 17, 2009 7:51:57am |
re: #24 iceweasel
Hey! I know plenty of people with mental conditions who act nothing like Glenn Beck.
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Walter L. Newton Mon, Aug 17, 2009 7:52:20am |
re: #201 Gang of One
Morning, Walt. Talking about mysteries, some time ago, you were conversing with another poster about the ABC series Lost. I just thought I’d mention that I mysteriously became addicted to it over the last few weeks — saw each episode of season one one after the other at Hulu.com, and went out to rent seasons two and three. Are you still a fan?
Your kidding, right? Of course. not the “I know what kind of toothpaste so and so actor uses” but yes, a big enough fan. I occasionally write articles for the Doc Arzt’s LOST blog.
You have a lot of catching up to do before Feb. 2010 when the final season, six, begins.
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SteveC Mon, Aug 17, 2009 7:52:23am |
re: #195 funky chicken
I also recommend the “Jenny McCarthy Body Count”
Jenny’s got a pretty smokin’ hot body, but as the lyrics from One Night in Bangkok read, “I get my kicks above the waistline, sunshine!”
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katemaclaren Mon, Aug 17, 2009 7:52:41am |
re: #198 yma o hyd
My cat does that, too!!! ewww! Once came in with a cicada in his mouth and I thought—really—that a helicopter had landed on the roof!!! I was scared sh-tless for a couple of seconds!!! Can you imagine my perisan kitty’s whiskers and cheeks vibrating and emitting a decibel rating as high as Blackhawk down?!
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Land Shark Mon, Aug 17, 2009 7:52:45am |
re: #160 SteveC
And they went all Ana Nicole Smith too. They love tabloid crap like crazy.
By the way, I was the father of Ana Nicole Smith’s child. Really, trust me.
///
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Gus Mon, Aug 17, 2009 7:52:56am |
I can’t stand even listening to Napolitano’s voice.
Other than that it looks like the “religion of peace” is at it again with a suicide attack in Ingushetia, Russia, killing 20.
And the DJI is down 177 points.
Flag at Whitehouse dot gov has been taken down.
Craziness.
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Occasional Reader Mon, Aug 17, 2009 7:53:11am |
re: #144 iceweasel
I know a few people here posted links to the “Suborned in the USA” article and Charles quite rightly pointed out that it was awful.
For example?
And having now read through the piece, it’s quite incredible that you could dismiss him as a “nirther”. McCarthy is explicitly refuting the central “nirther” claim - that Obama was not born a U.S. citizen, and that his Hawaiian certification of live birth is fake. He in fact describes this idea as “crazy”. So either you didn’t read the article, or…
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katemaclaren Mon, Aug 17, 2009 7:53:27am |
re: #205 Walter L. Newton
I haven’t watched it because I didn’t get in on the beginning and I’m afraid I would be lost…
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albusteve Mon, Aug 17, 2009 7:53:32am |
interesting numbers…the Gazans probably don’t know how good they have it…another reason to ‘reject’ Hamas
[Link: www.atimes.com…]
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Dark_Falcon Mon, Aug 17, 2009 7:53:53am |
re: #203 katemaclaren
And when he finds the Revered One backing down in earnest we will be waiting for THE scream…
YEEARRGH! :D
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katemaclaren Mon, Aug 17, 2009 7:54:01am |
re: #209 Gus 802
REALLY! The flag has been taken down? I wonder what flag will be raised in its place???
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Chicken Kiev Mon, Aug 17, 2009 7:54:35am |
#140 katemaclaren
I wonder why no one has ever bothered with entering any “Rate My Professor” remarks—or even come out of the ivied halls with some comments on Prof. Obama—or even STUDENT Obama. Maybe they have, but I don’t live in a vacuum—and haven’t seen any.
I have wondered the same thing — and is it possible that such comments once existed, but were wiped? Flushed down the memory hole? Because this is just too weird. Even obscure assistant professors at small colleges get comments at RMP.
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Walter L. Newton Mon, Aug 17, 2009 7:54:48am |
re: #211 katemaclaren
I haven’t watched it because I didn’t get in on the beginning and I’m afraid I would be lost…
You would have 5 seasons to catch up on before the final season in Feb. 2010. Yes, you would be a bit lost…
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Dark_Falcon Mon, Aug 17, 2009 7:54:51am |
re: #206 SteveC
Jenny’s got a pretty smokin’ hot body, but as the lyrics from One Night in Bangkok read, “I get my kicks above the waistline, sunshine!”
LOL!
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SteveC Mon, Aug 17, 2009 7:54:55am |
re: #208 Land Shark
And they went all Ana Nicole Smith too. They love tabloid crap like crazy.
By the way, I was the father of Ana Nicole Smith’s child. Really, trust me.
///
I thought it was that long winded judge.
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Gus Mon, Aug 17, 2009 7:55:01am |
re: #214 katemaclaren
REALLY! The flag has been taken down? I wonder what flag will be raised in its place???
Either a white flag or more press conferences. ;)
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katemaclaren Mon, Aug 17, 2009 7:55:33am |
re: #215 Chicken Kiev
Yes, I agree. Very weird—much more interesting than the birth certificate bs. Maybe birthers are really smokescreeners.
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Occasional Reader Mon, Aug 17, 2009 7:55:42am |
re: #180 buzzsawmonkey
One must, of course, reference the famous New Yorker cartoon from the ’30s, where the mother is saying to her small daughter at table, “It’s broccoli, dear,” and the daughter replies, “I say it’s spinach, and I say the hell with it.”
Don’t know that one. But I was buying pasta at the (now Certified Libertarian-Friendly) Wholefoods the other day, and was reminded of a more recent (90s) New Yorker cartoon, showing an anthropomorphic penne pasta answering the telephone and exclaiming, “Fusilli, you crazy bastard! How the hell are you?!”. I always liked that one, for reasons I can’t quite explain.
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albusteve Mon, Aug 17, 2009 7:56:11am |
re: #215 Chicken Kiev
#140 katemaclaren
I have wondered the same thing — and is it possible that such comments once existed, but were wiped? Flushed down the memory hole? Because this is just too weird. Even obscure assistant professors at small colleges get comments at RMP.
all of it…the Scrub of the Century
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Kosh's Shadow Mon, Aug 17, 2009 7:57:19am |
re: #214 katemaclaren
REALLY! The flag has been taken down? I wonder what flag will be raised in its place???
The Democratic Party flag of white stripes on a white background, and white stars on a white background.
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Gang of One Mon, Aug 17, 2009 7:57:43am |
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katemaclaren Mon, Aug 17, 2009 7:57:50am |
re: #217 Walter L. Newton
When I moved back to states after 17 years abroad, I had missed every Cosby show but the last one. So, a few months ago, when demand had definitely eased, I bought the entire series for about $40 on DVD. My little guy (11) and i watched the entire series in about a month. I still smile when i remember how he laughed so hard he literally fell on the floor and couldn’t get up! (he needs one of those medallions they sell for seniors when he watches these old shows—I also got Mork and Mindy)
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Spenser (with an S) Mon, Aug 17, 2009 7:58:18am |
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yma o hyd Mon, Aug 17, 2009 7:58:23am |
re: #207 katemaclaren
My cat does that, too!!! ewww! Once came in with a cicada in his mouth and I thought—really—that a helicopter had landed on the roof!!! I was scared sh-tless for a couple of seconds!!! Can you imagine my perisan kitty’s whiskers and cheeks vibrating and emitting a decibel rating as high as Blackhawk down?!
O-mi-gawd!
Sounds like a scene straight from a horror movie!
Never mind the poor cicada - I’d be terrified what thsi thing would do to my poor kitteh’s innards …
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albusteve Mon, Aug 17, 2009 7:58:55am |
TA DA!!…found it!…
it’s only lumber, not a nuke
[Link: news.bbc.co.uk…]
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opnion Mon, Aug 17, 2009 7:59:01am |
re: #165 Walter L. Newton
All this crazy seething and outrage by conservatives has gotten out of control. We are seeing it at these town hall meetings, on talk radio, hell, I even heard some conservative in Walmarts men’s room raging about Obamacare (that was scary, I had to report him to the greeter).
And what happens, well, the administration got back at us. They look like they are going to pull the public option, they removed the “end of life” language, Murtha suggests that a health care bill probably won’t pass until at least Jan. 2010, if at all and Obama is adjusting his party line at these public gatherings where he is speaking.
The conservatives better be careful. If we keep up protesting this and making our feelings known, this whole thing may fall apart.
Great analysis. The Town Hall protests definitely affected public opnion against ObamaCare.
Calling a bunch odf Soccer Moms & aging veterans a mob & un-American just did not fly with public opinion.
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quickjustice Mon, Aug 17, 2009 7:59:14am |
I heard Napolitano speak several years ago. He was excoriating the Bush Administration as war criminals who were trampling the Constitution in the global war on terror. He’s a seriously misguided libertarian.
At this point, I think he’s morphing into a kook.
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Gang of One Mon, Aug 17, 2009 8:00:52am |
re: #205 Walter L. Newton
Your kidding, right? Of course. not the “I know what kind of toothpaste so and so actor uses” but yes, a big enough fan. I occasionally write articles for the Doc Arzt’s LOST blog.
You have a lot of catching up to do before Feb. 2010 when the final season, six, begins.
I’m going to spend the last few weeks of my summer vacation watching seasons four and five. It’s really a great story so far. What’s the URL for the site you write for, would really like to check that out.
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albusteve Mon, Aug 17, 2009 8:00:54am |
re: #228 Spenser (with an S)
Paranoid hater!
//
don’t forget racist!…it’s racist to inquire about BOs school record, according to the experts
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DrNaughty Mon, Aug 17, 2009 8:00:56am |
re: #234 Gus 802
Fox News reminds me of Entertainment Tonight.
The women look better than Mary Hart does however…
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quickjustice Mon, Aug 17, 2009 8:01:05am |
Up on Drudge: Obama has pulled down the “flag at WhiteHouse.gov” e-mail address. Shucks! No more chances to send criticisms directly to the White House! ;-)
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katemaclaren Mon, Aug 17, 2009 8:01:11am |
re: #229 yma o hyd
O-mi-gawd!
Sounds like a scene straight from a horror movie!Never mind the poor cicada - I’d be terrified what thsi thing would do to my poor kitteh’s innards …
Kitten Kong
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MandyManners Mon, Aug 17, 2009 8:01:15am |
re: #209 Gus 802
I can’t stand even listening to Napolitano’s voice.
Other than that it looks like the “religion of peace” is at it again with a suicide attack in Ingushetia, Russia, killing 20.
And the DJI is down 177 points.
Flag at Whitehouse dot gov has been taken down.
Craziness.
It’s still there. [Link: www.whitehouse.gov…]
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iceweasel Mon, Aug 17, 2009 8:01:17am |
re: #210 Occasional Reader
For example?
And having now read through the piece, it’s quite incredible that you could dismiss him as a “nirther”. McCarthy is explicitly refuting the central “nirther” claim - that Obama was not born a U.S. citizen, and that his Hawaiian certification of live birth is fake. He in fact describes this idea as “crazy”. So either you didn’t read the article, or…
He claims that the nirther rumours show something about Obama, rather than something about the lunatic fringe.
And he says this:
The information in the certification may be identical as far as it goes to what’s in the complete state records, but there are evidently many more details in the state records than are set forth in the certification. Contrary to the editors’ description, those who want to see the full state record — the certificate or the so-called “vault copy” — are not on a wild-goose chase for a “secondary document cloaked in darkness.” That confuses their motives (which vary) with what they’ve actually requested (which is entirely reasonable). Regardless of why people may want to see the vault copy, what’s been requested is a primary document that is materially more detailed than what Obama has thus far provided.
Yeah. If he’s not a nirther, he’s choosing to play one on NRO.
BTW, i just remembered my initial reason for considering him a crackpot. He’s linked Pam Gellar as a source.
But hey, if you like him, be my guest.
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Dark_Falcon Mon, Aug 17, 2009 8:01:18am |
re: #233 quickjustice
I heard Napolitano speak several years ago. He was excoriating the Bush Administration as war criminals who were trampling the Constitution in the global war on terror. He’s a seriously misguided libertarian.
At this point, I think he’s morphing into a kook.
Agreed. He should share a padded room with Alex Jones and Glen Beck.
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laZardo Mon, Aug 17, 2009 8:02:26am |
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albusteve Mon, Aug 17, 2009 8:02:30am |
re: #225 Kosh’s Shadow
The Democratic Party flag of white stripes on a white background, and white stars on a white background.
under a black light it says “TREAD ON ME!”
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Gus Mon, Aug 17, 2009 8:02:44am |
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Land Shark Mon, Aug 17, 2009 8:03:06am |
re: #219 SteveC
I thought it was that long winded judge.
That judge was the best part of that whole mess. That nut job was audiotioning to get his own “Judge” show all the time, I think he even cried a couple of times. The Ana Nicole Smith fiasco had the crazies out in force.
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katemaclaren Mon, Aug 17, 2009 8:03:07am |
re: #225 Kosh’s Shadow
The Democratic Party flag of white stripes on a white background, and white stars on a white background.
You are HOT today, Kosh! That is so CLEVER!!! All the time, by the way, I thought that was the FRENCH flag!!!
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Gus Mon, Aug 17, 2009 8:03:33am |
re: #240 MandyManners
It’s still there. [Link: www.whitehouse.gov…]
Interesting. Right now it’s just an unlinked link at Drudge reading:
OBAMA PULLS PLUG ON FLAG@WHITEHOUSE.GOV… EMAILS BOUNCE BACK
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iceweasel Mon, Aug 17, 2009 8:03:34am |
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MrSilverDragon Mon, Aug 17, 2009 8:04:05am |
re: #223 laZardo
A flowery one of peace and love.
///
Fun with propaganda! Now for the whole family!
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SasquatchOnSteroids Mon, Aug 17, 2009 8:04:24am |
re: #247 katemaclaren
You are HOT today, Kosh! That is so CLEVER!!! All the time, by the way, I thought that was the FRENCH flag!!!
Similar, but the French flag says Kick Me in white letters on the back.
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DaddyG Mon, Aug 17, 2009 8:05:03am |
re: #247 katemaclaren
You are HOT today, Kosh! That is so CLEVER!!! All the time, by the way, I thought that was the FRENCH flag!!!
Thats the one with the yellow stripe. /
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Dark_Falcon Mon, Aug 17, 2009 8:05:42am |
re: #241 iceweasel
Yeah. If he’s not a nirther, he’s choosing to play one on NRO.
BTW, i just remembered my initial reason for considering him a crackpot. He’s linked Pam Gellar as a source.
But hey, if you like him, be my guest.
Very good response, iceweasel. My only suggestion would be to remove that last line. It is snarky and hostile. OR is smart and well-informed; you can bring him around on nirthers by careful explanation. Sarcasm will drive people away from you.
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Walter L. Newton Mon, Aug 17, 2009 8:06:13am |
re: #235 Gang of One
I’m going to spend the last few weeks of my summer vacation watching seasons four and five. It’s really a great story so far. What’s the URL for the site you write for, would really like to check that out.
[Link: www.docarzt.com…]
Careful, it’s not a big spoiler site, but of course, you are going to have a lot of past articles that will be about episodes you haven’t seen.
This is really the type of story you don’t want advance clues about. It’s so much more fun to let it unfold.
You may or may not know, but this show is the first show that had most of the major plot points worked out before they even shot the first inch of film.
Even though they have “wiggle room” as they go from point “a” to “b” and headed for “z,” the major plot points are not being made up as they go along.
They are not going to pull any stunts at the end just to wrap it up. They were contracted for six years and the whole story has been plotted out.
It’s like a six year long movie.
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quickjustice Mon, Aug 17, 2009 8:06:28am |
re: #102 albusteve
Napolitano never was a Republican. He absolutely hates George W. Bush. I’ve heard it from his own mouth.
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katemaclaren Mon, Aug 17, 2009 8:06:46am |
re: #248 Gus 802
I took a look at that photo (Sotomayor and Obama) on the site, it is ripe for a “caption this” moment, isn’t it!?
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katemaclaren Mon, Aug 17, 2009 8:07:47am |
re: #254 Walter L. Newton
When I first heard about Lost, I thought it was another reality show—and thus, didn’t tune in. Dang. I did the same thing with House. Dang, the sequel.
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Dark_Falcon Mon, Aug 17, 2009 8:08:24am |
re: #252 DaddyG
Thats the one with the yellow stripe. /
That was their flag. Now that Sarkozy is President of France, it went back to being the Tricolor. He actually has balls, and that redeems France, at least a little.
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Ward Cleaver Mon, Aug 17, 2009 8:08:37am |
re: #248 Gus 802
Interesting. Right now it’s just an unlinked link at Drudge reading:
OBAMA PULLS PLUG ON FLAG@WHITEHOUSE.GOV… EMAILS BOUNCE BACK
I guess that’s his consolation prize, since his plan to euthanize (pull the plug) on older folks has backfired.
/
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katemaclaren Mon, Aug 17, 2009 8:08:42am |
re: #255 quickjustice
Really? I never have heard anything like that at all. I’m surprised.
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iceweasel Mon, Aug 17, 2009 8:09:24am |
re: #253 Dark_Falcon
Very good response, iceweasel. My only suggestion would be to remove that last line. It is snarky and hostile. OR is smart and well-informed; you can bring him around on nirthers by careful explanation. Sarcasm will drive people away from you.
Fair enough.
BTW, I share your opinion about OR…but he did suggest I hadn’t read the article, and I find that not merely hostile but offensive.
It imputes intellectual dishonesty to me, and I do not deserve that—especially as I was responding very honestly and as helpfully as possible to someone’s inquiry about McCarthy.
Hence my own snarkiness in response.
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Gus Mon, Aug 17, 2009 8:09:37am |
re: #260 Ward Cleaver
I guess that’s his consolation prize, since his plan to euthanize (pull the plug) on older folks has backfired.
/
Yeah, needless to say there was an uproar in Leisure Village regarding that plan. ;)
/
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katemaclaren Mon, Aug 17, 2009 8:09:42am |
re: #259 Dark_Falcon
Yep. I agree. Let’s hope he sticks around for awhile. It’s worth it just for the pix of Michelle glaring at Carla in the photo ops.
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Occasional Reader Mon, Aug 17, 2009 8:09:46am |
re: #241 iceweasel
He claims that the nirther rumours show something about Obama, rather than something about the lunatic fringe.
Um… no, he claims that Obama’s breezy rewriting of his own personal history to suit his needs at the moment show something about Obama.
And he says this:
Yes, he does. And it’s… ah… true, ya know? A certification of live birth is not the same as a certificate. The former is a much less detailed document attesting to the existence of the latter. He is saying - quite clearly - that the previous NRO editorial “Born in the USA” misspoke when it claimed that there was “no second document”. And again, much as you’d like to point to that and shriek “NIRTHER!”, it has the inconvenience (for your argument) of being… true.
BTW, i just remembered my initial reason for considering him a crackpot. He’s linked Pam Gellar as a source.
When, about what, in what context? Because you’ll forgive me if suddenly I’m wondering if you’re less than entirely fair and accurate in your claims about McCarthy.
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Walter L. Newton Mon, Aug 17, 2009 8:10:01am |
re: #258 katemaclaren
When I first heard about Lost, I thought it was another reality show—and thus, didn’t tune in. Dang. I did the same thing with House. Dang, the sequel.
Well, season 1 to 4 is on DVD and season 5 will be available before Xmas. You could catch up. That’s what I did two years ago, I watched 3 seasons in two months before season 4.
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albusteve Mon, Aug 17, 2009 8:10:05am |
where’s Tom Delay these days?…
[Link: hosted.ap.org…]
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DrNaughty Mon, Aug 17, 2009 8:10:31am |
re: #251 SasquatchOnSteroids
Similar, but the French flag says Kick Me in white letters on the back.
A few years ago I had a joint assignment on Corsica at Solenzara Air Base where the French Air Force runs a training center over the Mediterranean. My observations on their pilots and aircraft were that they were a first class organization, equal to the USAF in training and capability.
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Gus Mon, Aug 17, 2009 8:10:45am |
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Occasional Reader Mon, Aug 17, 2009 8:11:08am |
re: #253 Dark_Falcon
you can bring him around on nirthers
Excuse me?!
Suddenly I’m a nirther?
WTF?!
Did you actually read the McCarthy piece, DF? Are you aware that he explicitly calls the essential “nirther” claims crazy?
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Ward Cleaver Mon, Aug 17, 2009 8:11:41am |
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laZardo Mon, Aug 17, 2009 8:12:55am |
re: #250 MrSilverDragon
Fun with propaganda! Now for the whole family!
Line up now to get your action figures!
Weapons and vehicles require lining up elsewhere. Limited-edition merchandise is reserved for Party members in select provinces.
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quickjustice Mon, Aug 17, 2009 8:13:06am |
re: #261 katemaclaren
I heard Napolitano speak in person here in NYC several years ago. He was definitely in his “Bush and Cheney are war criminals” mode.
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Spenser (with an S) Mon, Aug 17, 2009 8:13:21am |
re: #259 Dark_Falcon
re: #252 DaddyG
Thats the one with the yellow stripe. /
That was their flag. Now that Sarkozy is President of France, it went back to being the Tricolor. He actually has balls, and that redeems France, at least a little.
I just read this weekend about the 14,000 (!) French citizens, who happened to be Jews, who were rounded up on a single day in 1942 by the French police and turned over to the Nazis.
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katemaclaren Mon, Aug 17, 2009 8:13:23am |
re: #270 Occasional Reader
Excuse me?!
Suddenly I’m a nirther?
WTF?!
Did you actually read the McCarthy piece, DF? Are you aware that he explicitly calls the essential “nirther” claims crazy?
Hey guys! It’s TOO EARLY for this! Let’s have a cuppa and enjoy the beautiful summer day! —before Hurricane Bill smacks NO around.
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Gus Mon, Aug 17, 2009 8:13:28am |
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Dark_Falcon Mon, Aug 17, 2009 8:13:32am |
re: #262 iceweasel
Fair enough.
BTW, I share your opinion about OR…but he did suggest I hadn’t read the article, and I find that not merely hostile but offensive.
It imputes intellectual dishonesty to me, and I do not deserve that—especially as I was responding very honestly and as helpfully as possible to someone’s inquiry about McCarthy.
Hence my own snarkiness in response.
Also fair enough. I hadn’t read the entire exchange. But I should note that I made the same mistake he did on my first read of the article. The folks here at LGF informed me of my error with slapping me down. I was just trying to ensure he gets the same helpful treatment.
And with that, I must head to work. Great see everyone this morning, BBT.
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laZardo Mon, Aug 17, 2009 8:13:40am |
re: #259 Dark_Falcon
That was their flag. Now that Sarkozy is President of France, it went back to being the Tricolor. He actually has balls, and that redeems France, at least a little.
T’was the Tricolore that flew when they blew up that Greenpeace ship.
/colors that unfortunately ran.
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katemaclaren Mon, Aug 17, 2009 8:13:59am |
re: #274 quickjustice
I heard Napolitano speak in person here in NYC several years ago. He was definitely in his “Bush and Cheney are war criminals” mode.
Wow. I had NO idea! I always thought his hairline was too low!!!
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iceweasel Mon, Aug 17, 2009 8:14:01am |
re: #265 Occasional Reader
When, about what, in what context? Because you’ll forgive me if suddenly I’m wondering if you’re less than entirely fair and accurate in your claims about McCarthy.
Here’s Andy McCarthy way back in Oct 2008, linking Pam Gellar and wondering what there is to this birth certificate business.
You’ll forgive me if I completely ignore you until you apologise for being far less than fair, and wholly inaccurate, in your responses to me.
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Occasional Reader Mon, Aug 17, 2009 8:14:21am |
re: #276 katemaclaren
Hey guys! It’s TOO EARLY for this! Let’s have a cuppa and enjoy the beautiful summer day! —before Hurricane Bill smacks NO around.
It is NOT too early for me to get pissed off by some smear implying that I’m a “nirther”. It is NEVER too early for that.
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Dark_Falcon Mon, Aug 17, 2009 8:14:21am |
re: #270 Occasional Reader
Excuse me?!
Suddenly I’m a nirther?
WTF?!
Did you actually read the McCarthy piece, DF? Are you aware that he explicitly calls the essential “nirther” claims crazy?
No, you’re not a nirther. I’ll explain tonight.
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DrNaughty Mon, Aug 17, 2009 8:14:29am |
re: #270 Occasional Reader
Excuse me?!
Suddenly I’m a nirther?
WTF?!
Did you actually read the McCarthy piece, DF? Are you aware that he explicitly calls the essential “nirther” claims crazy?
My view is that Obama is keeping the Birth Certificate “controversy” alive for the lunatic fringe of the right to focus on. While they carry out more nefarious things hidden in 1,000 page bills that no one reads in congress…
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J.S. Mon, Aug 17, 2009 8:14:37am |
re: #262 iceweasel
Wait a second, here. OR wrote: “So either you didn’t read the article, or…” He was simply wondering if you’d read the article, or if you had read the article, but misinterpreted it…to get “dishonesty” out of this is a real stretch…lol
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iceweasel Mon, Aug 17, 2009 8:15:14am |
re: #278 Dark_Falcon
Also fair enough. I hadn’t read the entire exchange. But I should note that I made the same mistake he did on my first read of the article. The folks here at LGF informed me of my error with slapping me down. I was just trying to ensure he gets the same helpful treatment.
And with that, I must head to work. Great see everyone this morning, BBT.
No prob DF. Always good to see you, and you’re a lovely voice of moderation. :)
See you later!
bye folks.
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iceweasel Mon, Aug 17, 2009 8:15:54am |
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quickjustice Mon, Aug 17, 2009 8:16:04am |
re: #275 Spenser (with an S)
There also are stories of French citizens who harbored Jewish refugees from the authorities. Like many countries in occupied Europe, France was a nation divided. Vichy France committed many sins to please their Nazi masters.
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Occasional Reader Mon, Aug 17, 2009 8:16:14am |
re: #282 iceweasel
You’ll forgive me if I completely ignore you until you apologise for being far less than fair, and wholly inaccurate, in your responses to me.
Yet another reminder that you’re ignoring me! I’d forgotten. Thanks. Oh, and if you could please detail those “inaccuracies”, that would be swell.
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Kenneth Mon, Aug 17, 2009 8:16:19am |
McKiernan’s answers that day were the tipping point for Mullen. Soon after, he discussed the matter with Gates, who had come to the same conclusion.
Mullen traveled to Kabul in April to confront McKiernan. The chairman hoped the commander would opt to save face and retire, but he refused. Not only had he not disobeyed orders, he believed he was doing what Gates and Mullen wanted.
You’re going to have to fire me, he told Mullen.
Two weeks later, Gates did. It was the first sacking of a wartime theater commander since President Harry S. Truman dismissed Gen. Douglas MacArthur in 1951 for opposing his Korean War policy.
The humiliating removal of a four-star general for being too conventional reveals the ferocious intensity Gates and Mullen share over a growing war that will soon enter its ninth year. It also demonstrates their zeal to respond to President Obama’s demand for rapid success in a place where foreign armies have failed for centuries.
“There are those who would have waited six more months” in order to have a less abrupt transition, Mullen said in an interview. “I couldn’t. I’m losing kids and I couldn’t sleep at night. I have an unbounded sense of urgency to get this right.”
We all knew the firing was more than just a sudden desire on the part of the General to spend more time with his family. Now the inside story is coming out.
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katemaclaren Mon, Aug 17, 2009 8:16:31am |
re: #283 Occasional Reader
Okay. I understand.
Just remember that some people are just a little grumpy in the morning—and we need to have patience for the trickle down effect of caffeine! ;-)
(and, yes, I really meant that about understanding how you feel about that!)
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Gus Mon, Aug 17, 2009 8:16:43am |
In other new. Checking my dental plan and it looks like root canals went up by over 100 dollars in a year. (@$*&%%&!
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Occasional Reader Mon, Aug 17, 2009 8:16:55am |
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Ben Hur Mon, Aug 17, 2009 8:18:18am |
re: #294 Occasional Reader
Aren’t you supposed to be out buying baby clothes?
Thanks for talking me off the ledge…
(nirther)
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albusteve Mon, Aug 17, 2009 8:18:28am |
re: #291 Kenneth
We all knew the firing was more than just a sudden desire on the part of the General to spend more time with his family. Now the inside story is coming out.
I smell failure all over this thing
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SasquatchOnSteroids Mon, Aug 17, 2009 8:18:51am |
re: #268 DrNaughty
A few years ago I had a joint assignment on Corsica at Solenzara Air Base where the French Air Force runs a training center over the Mediterranean. My observations on their pilots and aircraft were that they were a first class organization, equal to the USAF in training and capability.
Yeah, we might make jokes, but their soldeiers who have helped us have been more than worthy, from what I’ve heard and read.
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DaddyG Mon, Aug 17, 2009 8:19:10am |
re: #275 Spenser (with an S)
I just read this weekend about the 14,000 (!) French citizens, who happened to be Jews, who were rounded up on a single day in 1942 by the French police and turned over to the Nazis.
France was a very bi-polar nation during WWII. The resistance was fierce and invaluable to the allies. The collaborators were just as useful to the Nazis. I use the French in jokes because it is as American as apple torte, but they are a complex nations for certain.
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Kenneth Mon, Aug 17, 2009 8:19:15am |
re: #280 Ben Hur
OMG.
OR is a Nirther.
I knew it! All that talk of dating Adriana Lima (obligatory gratuitous photo link) was just a cover story. He was never in Rio, he was in Honolulu all the time!
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WriterMom Mon, Aug 17, 2009 8:19:32am |
re: #294 Occasional Reader
Hey-back off the Hur, you Nirther.
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aboo-Hoo-Hoo Mon, Aug 17, 2009 8:19:34am |
re: #210 Occasional Reader
This I believe is the blirp McCarthy wrote in July 08’ that may have caused some to believe that he was actively encouraging the nonsense or a nirther himself: Is There Legitimate Doubt About Obama’s Eligibility to be President?
To me it was just another pundit wondering why Obama & Co. were holding back info. most, if not all, candidates can, will or have make public if requested. I honestly don’t remember him actively pursuing aggressive investigation into the subject or agitating the situation but that’s not to say I read everything he wrote during the period either.
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DrNaughty Mon, Aug 17, 2009 8:20:01am |
re: #289 quickjustice
There also are stories of French citizens who harbored Jewish refugees from the authorities. Like many countries in occupied Europe, France was a nation divided. Vichy France committed many sins to please their Nazi masters.
The fact is that anti-semitisim was much more common in the 1940s and before the war than it is today. It was the films of the gas chambers and piles of dead bodies that brought Israel into existence. There was a huge difference between anti-semitism and mass murder that changed many people’s views around the world…
However even today, anti-semitism in Europe is much more common than here in the United States…
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Ben Hur Mon, Aug 17, 2009 8:20:23am |
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Occasional Reader Mon, Aug 17, 2009 8:20:51am |
re: #291 Kenneth
We all knew the firing was more than just a sudden desire on the part of the General to spend more time with his family. Now the inside story is coming out.
From what I can see, replacing him with McCrhystal was probably a good move. Not that McKeirnan was incompetent or anything, but McChrystal’s Special Forces orientation is probably better-suited for the Afghan campaign.
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quickjustice Mon, Aug 17, 2009 8:21:07am |
re: #297 albusteve
Repeat after me : “Afghanistan is Obama’s quagmire, Afghanistan is Obama’s quagmire… .” /
Hey, if it’s good enough for the left, why not for the right?//
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yma o hyd Mon, Aug 17, 2009 8:21:31am |
re: #301 WriterMom
Hey-back off the Hur, you Nirther.
Hiya, {WriterMom}!
Long time no see - how are ye doing?
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Occasional Reader Mon, Aug 17, 2009 8:21:44am |
re: #301 WriterMom
Hey-back off the Hur, you Nirther.
“WriterMom”… “WriterMom”… wait, it’s ringing a bell…
Fusilli, you crazy bastard! How the hell are you?
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DrNaughty Mon, Aug 17, 2009 8:21:57am |
re: #298 SasquatchOnSteroids
Yeah, we might make jokes, but their soldeiers who have helped us have been more than worthy, from what I’ve heard and read.
Also the Legionaries who were sent to Saudi Arabia during Gulf War I were not to be fked with…
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Occasional Reader Mon, Aug 17, 2009 8:22:59am |
re: #300 Kenneth
I knew it! All that talk of dating Adriana Lima (obligatory gratuitous photo link) was just a cover story. He was never in Rio, he was in Honolulu all the time!
Lies! I never claimed we “dated”. “Dating” implies leaving the bedroom, after all.
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Ben Hur Mon, Aug 17, 2009 8:23:01am |
Well, I for one wouldn’t want to mess with French assualt helicopters with just sticks and stones…
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Ward Cleaver Mon, Aug 17, 2009 8:23:05am |
re: #277 Gus 802
Had to check his Wiki. Yep, another one.
There’s an article about DeLay and Irvin making the show on the Dallas Morning News site today (hosted AP story).
NEW YORK (AP) — Former Republican Majority Leader Tom DeLay will join 15 celebrities from the worlds of entertainment and sports in kicking up their heels on the new season of “Dancing With the Stars.Other hopefuls include entertainer Donny Osmond; singers Mya, Macy Gray and Aaron Carter; actors Melissa Joan Hart, Debi Mazar and Ashley Hamilton (son of George); models Joanna Krupa and Kathy Ireland; reality stars Kelly Osbourne and Mark Dacascos (“the Chairman” on Food Network’s “Iron Chef America”); mixed martial artist Chuck Liddell; professional snowboarder Louie Vito; Olympic swimmer Natalie Coughlin; former Dallas Cowboys wide receiver Michael Irvin and the 62-year-old former congressman from Texas.
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laZardo Mon, Aug 17, 2009 8:23:09am |
re: #300 Kenneth
I knew it! All that talk of dating Adriana Lima (obligatory gratuitous photo link) was just a cover story. He was never in Rio, he was in Honolulu all the time!
Hiking the Waianae Trail?
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quickjustice Mon, Aug 17, 2009 8:23:33am |
IIRC, it was a French fleet, acting in concert with Washington and Lafayette, that won the American Revolution.
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Occasional Reader Mon, Aug 17, 2009 8:24:18am |
re: #298 SasquatchOnSteroids
Yeah, we might make jokes, but their soldeiers who have helped us have been more than worthy, from what I’ve heard and read.
Gulf War vets I’ve spoken with have had nothing but praise for the professionalism of the French armed forces.
It’s their political class that stinks.
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J.S. Mon, Aug 17, 2009 8:24:24am |
re: #310 DrNaughty
(although three-quarters of the French Foreign Legion aren’t French)…
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Spenser (with an S) Mon, Aug 17, 2009 8:24:38am |
re: #299 DaddyG
re: #275 Spenser (with an S)
I just read this weekend about the 14,000 (!) French citizens, who happened to be Jews, who were rounded up on a single day in 1942 by the French police and turned over to the Nazis.
France was a very bi-polar nation during WWII. The resistance was fierce and invaluable to the allies. The collaborators were just as useful to the Nazis. I use the French in jokes because it is as American as apple torte, but they are a complex nations for certain.
I understand, it’s just that particular bit of horror had escaped my notice until now. These weren’t bands of thugs attacking immigrants, they were the police rounding up French citizens.
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SasquatchOnSteroids Mon, Aug 17, 2009 8:24:53am |
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razorbacker Mon, Aug 17, 2009 8:25:30am |
re: #310 DrNaughty
Also the Legionaries who were sent to Saudi Arabia during Gulf War I were not to be fked with…
Irony, much?
Seeing as how the FFL was established for foreign nationals who wished to serve in the French armed forces…
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lawhawk Mon, Aug 17, 2009 8:25:34am |
re: #321 SasquatchOnSteroids
Mr Hur will have 2 kids now, correct ?
Will that make him a NirthHURder ?
Yes, but is he scruffy looking? /princess leia
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DaddyG Mon, Aug 17, 2009 8:25:37am |
The law of unintended consequences strikes again. I hadn’t intended to start a “who’s on Nirth” discussion by linking Andrew McCartney. I was really more interested in exploring the premise that discussing the downsides of moving towards economic National Socialism is not the same as accusing the administration of being Nazis. (The former being an economic and political movement, the latter being an all purpose slur for those you oppose politically).
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WriterMom Mon, Aug 17, 2009 8:25:38am |
re: #309 Occasional Reader
Sniff…you never write, you never call…
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quickjustice Mon, Aug 17, 2009 8:26:03am |
re: #317 laZardo
I toured Washington’s home, Mt. Vernon, a couple of weeks ago. Hanging on the wall is the key to the Bastille, presented to Washington by Lafayette.
That was before the French Revolution turned ugly.
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yma o hyd Mon, Aug 17, 2009 8:26:04am |
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DrNaughty Mon, Aug 17, 2009 8:26:07am |
re: #318 Occasional Reader
Gulf War vets I’ve spoken with have had nothing but praise for the professionalism of the French armed forces.
It’s their political class that stinks.
True, although I’m much more impressed with Sarkozy than I am with Obama…
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Ward Cleaver Mon, Aug 17, 2009 8:26:18am |
re: #303 aboo-Hoo-Hoo
This I believe is the blirp McCarthy wrote in July 08’ that may have caused some to believe that he was actively encouraging the nonsense or a nirther himself: Is There Legitimate Doubt About Obama’s Eligibility to be President?
To me it was just another pundit wondering why Obama & Co. were holding back info. most, if not all, candidates can, will or have make public if requested. I honestly don’t remember him actively pursuing aggressive investigation into the subject or agitating the situation but that’s not to say I read everything he wrote during the period either.
0bama’s refusal to release other information about his life plays into the nirthers’ hands. Of course, keeping the nirthers in a lather helps him, since he can keep the opposition chasing its tail.
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SasquatchOnSteroids Mon, Aug 17, 2009 8:26:37am |
I’m still waiting for my Itsaboy cigar.
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Occasional Reader Mon, Aug 17, 2009 8:27:09am |
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SixDegrees Mon, Aug 17, 2009 8:27:24am |
re: #285 DrNaughty
My view is that Obama is keeping the Birth Certificate “controversy” alive for the lunatic fringe of the right to focus on. While they carry out more nefarious things hidden in 1,000 page bills that no one reads in congress…
0bama may not be doing anything to discourage such bilge. But it’s the Right’s lunatic fringe that’s keeping it alive.
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kansas Mon, Aug 17, 2009 8:27:39am |
re: #40 iceweasel
I updinged you, but to me Olbermann is more like Rush. Not a crazy person but an entertainer who is basically out to work a certain schtick til they get money. I could totally imagine either of them as working “for the other side”.
You’re totally right about Faux News, IMO.
The Kos kiddies always used the term Faux News. I think its tiresome. Olbermann’s schtick is insanity.
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albusteve Mon, Aug 17, 2009 8:27:40am |
re: #326 quickjustice
I toured Washington’s home, Mt. Vernon, a couple of weeks ago. Hanging on the wall is the key to the Bastille, presented to Washington by Lafayette.
That was before the French Revolution turned ugly.
cool place…I love the whole area, just to visit tho…too many nirthers about
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quickjustice Mon, Aug 17, 2009 8:27:48am |
re: #318 Occasional Reader
I’d say the arrogant and “elite” French government bureaucracy, but you’re close enough!
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Gang of One Mon, Aug 17, 2009 8:28:31am |
re: #309 Occasional Reader
“WriterMom”… “WriterMom”… wait, it’s ringing a bell…
Fusilli, you crazy bastard! How the hell are you?
Upding for the New Yorker cartoon reference!
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WriterMom Mon, Aug 17, 2009 8:28:41am |
re: #327 yma o hyd
YID, can you send me an e-mail? I’d like to stay in touch…
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Occasional Reader Mon, Aug 17, 2009 8:28:43am |
re: #328 DrNaughty
True, although I’m much more impressed with Sarkozy than I am with Obama…
He’s got a much hotter wife, certainly.
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iceweasel Mon, Aug 17, 2009 8:28:58am |
re: #330 Ward Cleaver
0bama’s refusal to release other information about his life plays into the nirthers’ hands. Of course, keeping the nirthers in a lather helps him, since he can keep the opposition chasing its tail.
Naturally. The point is to keep the crazies frothing. It’s not as if there’s no shortage of legitimate criticisms to make of Obama, but so long as the lunatics howl (and get the airtime) the legitimate criticisms will not be made.
Except by the left, of course.
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DaddyG Mon, Aug 17, 2009 8:29:09am |
re: #320 Spenser (with an S)
I understand, it’s just that particular bit of horror had escaped my notice until now. These weren’t bands of thugs attacking immigrants, they were the police rounding up French citizens.
There is a lesson in there. Dictators and genocide don’t appear in a vacuum. They are supported by large groups of “ordinary people”. The movements that led up to World War II and the atrocities they brought were often quite attractive and popular. Dehumanizing an entire race or religion is not that far fetched a notion even today.
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Spenser (with an S) Mon, Aug 17, 2009 8:29:18am |
re: #326 quickjustice
I toured Washington’s home, Mt. Vernon, a couple of weeks ago. Hanging on the wall is the key to the Bastille, presented to Washington by Lafayette.
I am not making any general French attack, just reacting to an ugly chapter in their history I read about this weekend. Lafayette and France in general saved our revolutionary asses, no question.
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Occasional Reader Mon, Aug 17, 2009 8:30:43am |
re: #338 WriterMom
Nyet :(
And so what’s shaking up there in the Great Frozen North? Aren’t you long overdue for a visit to DC?
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DaddyG Mon, Aug 17, 2009 8:31:10am |
re: #331 SasquatchOnSteroids
I’m still waiting for my Itsaboy cigar.
Someone could have made a killing marketing Lewinsky Brand Humidors in the 90s. I’m just saying.
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Kenneth Mon, Aug 17, 2009 8:32:03am |
re: #301 WriterMom
Wow! Wassup? Escaped from the Island of the Lesbos I see…
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funky chicken Mon, Aug 17, 2009 8:32:22am |
re: #291 Kenneth
We all knew the firing was more than just a sudden desire on the part of the General to spend more time with his family. Now the inside story is coming out.
Hey Kenneth. I have a different take…McKiernan was sacked right after he stood up for our guys when the Afghanis and Karzai tried to manufacture another Haditha out of a firefight. McKiernan wasn’t having any of that, and was pretty blunt in his refutation of the accusations.
My husband and I were laughing when we read that McCrystal (spell?) requested 400,000 troops for Afghanistan. He is Gates’s and Mullen’s boy, but that request puts him squarley in the “conventional” camp. It’ll be harder for them to discredit their own wonderkind spec ops guy…
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Occasional Reader Mon, Aug 17, 2009 8:32:39am |
re: #332 buzzsawmonkey
as in fact happened in several areas of Eastern Europe
I wasn’t aware of that. When and where?
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quickjustice Mon, Aug 17, 2009 8:33:02am |
re: #346 DaddyG
As my 90 year old mother said to me at the time, “Why is President Clinton teaching that young woman [Lewinsky] how to smoke cigars?” ;-)
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WriterMom Mon, Aug 17, 2009 8:33:09am |
re: #345 Occasional Reader
I totally would love to do that, but I have escaped the Isle of the Angry Lesbos and EnvironMental People and am moving to better (not greener) pastures.
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laZardo Mon, Aug 17, 2009 8:33:12am |
re: #326 quickjustice
I toured Washington’s home, Mt. Vernon, a couple of weeks ago. Hanging on the wall is the key to the Bastille, presented to Washington by Lafayette.
That was before the French Revolution turned ugly.
Lafayette definitely seems admirable from what I’ve read. Plus the “buried under soil from Bunker Hill” bit is badass.
Robespierre(?) on the other hand…
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Vicious Babushka Mon, Aug 17, 2009 8:33:45am |
re: #301 WriterMom
Hey, good to see you again!
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yma o hyd Mon, Aug 17, 2009 8:33:58am |
re: #340 WriterMom
I’d love to - but this ‘safe mail’ thingie doesn’t seem to work, from this side.
Perhaps if you try my blue nic?
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Kenneth Mon, Aug 17, 2009 8:34:20am |
re: #311 Occasional Reader
Lies! I never claimed we “dated”. “Dating” implies leaving the bedroom, after all.
You mean the bedroom where you lurked with a stack of Adriana’s fashion mags, Mrs. Palm and her 5 daughters…
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Ben Hur Mon, Aug 17, 2009 8:34:25am |
re: #350 Occasional Reader
I wasn’t aware of that. When and where?
Are you trying to add “denier” to your “nirther” list??!?!?!?!?!?!??!
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MandyManners Mon, Aug 17, 2009 8:34:28am |
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albusteve Mon, Aug 17, 2009 8:35:13am |
is this a problem?…will anybody address this situation, like prevent it from happening in the first place?…we need to close our borders now
[Link: www.chron.com…]
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Athos Mon, Aug 17, 2009 8:35:36am |
The bottom line is that the Judge, Beck, Luap Nor, Rockwell, Raimondo and the others are all libretarians who belong in the libretarian party, not tolerated or accepted by the GOP. What they offer and promote are not mainstream positions let alone mainstream conservative positions. This group is not unlike the Birchers of the 60’s - who needed to be driven out of the GOP before the conservative movement could gain acceptance with the independents and middle.
The entire nirther kerfuffle is an outreach of the same looniness that the Judge and the rest of the fools promote - and is as assinine and pathetic as the troofers and the deranged left bashing on Bush / Cheney for using nerve gas on US cities etc…
Any tolerance for this insanity links us to the insanity. There is only one acceptable position - to expose the insanity as insanity and keep it on the loony fringe where it belongs. FNC, on the web or on the air, is not doing its reputation any good by providing these nitwits with a forum. In this case, they are no different than the Maddows, Olberidiots, and Sgt. Schultz’s on MSNBC.
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Occasional Reader Mon, Aug 17, 2009 8:35:38am |
re: #352 WriterMom
but I have escaped the Isle of the Angry Lesbos
It sounds like a real den of thebes! I hope that your new responsibilities a-crete to your benefit.
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Ward Cleaver Mon, Aug 17, 2009 8:35:38am |
Speaking of crazies, from looking at FNC’s Web site, Beck is doing a “death of small business” show today. Oh brother.
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albusteve Mon, Aug 17, 2009 8:35:49am |
re: #347 buzzsawmonkey
Would they play “Devil with a Blue Dress On” when you opened the lid?
MITCH RYDER!
2pts
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BlackFedora Mon, Aug 17, 2009 8:36:23am |
re: #238 quickjustice
the flag@whitehouse.gov thing creeped me out. I suspect if a Republican administration had done something like that the Keith Olbermann’s of the world would have been all over it. However, I would’ve been uncomfortable with it even if Republicans did it.
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Ward Cleaver Mon, Aug 17, 2009 8:36:36am |
re: #351 quickjustice
As my 90 year old mother said to me at the time, “Why is President Clinton teaching that young woman [Lewinsky] how to smoke cigars?” ;-)
It keeps the worms away.
(according to bill cosby’s father)
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Kenneth Mon, Aug 17, 2009 8:36:54am |
re: #354 WriterMom
Please tell me where, via sekrit zionist back-channels…
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Occasional Reader Mon, Aug 17, 2009 8:36:56am |
re: #358 Ben Hur
Are you trying to add “denier” to your “nirther” list??!?!?!?!?!?!??!
I’ve never been in denial. In de Hudson? De Potomac? De Seine? Sure. But never in de-nial.
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Occasional Reader Mon, Aug 17, 2009 8:37:43am |
re: #359 MandyManners
I thought it was a quail.
*burp*
Let’s put a capon this potential pun thread right here and now.
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Ward Cleaver Mon, Aug 17, 2009 8:37:51am |
re: #368 Ward Cleaver
It keeps the worms away.
(according to bill cosby’s father)
Or maybe it was his grandfather. It’s been years since I heard that routine.
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yma o hyd Mon, Aug 17, 2009 8:38:39am |
re: #360 albusteve
is this a problem?…will anybody address this situation, like prevent it from happening in the first place?…we need to close our borders now
[Link: www.chron.com…]
Sooo?
This has been happening in the UK ever since we had the NHS - we call it ‘Health Tourism’.
Nowadays its illegal immigrants who come to have their AIDS or TB treated.
Oh - and lots of women come to give birth, for free.
Btw - something many of you may not be aware of:
in the NHS we still have wards … and a lot othem are unisex … in spite of NuLab’s promises to end them, twelve years ago.
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razorbacker Mon, Aug 17, 2009 8:38:52am |
re: #371 Occasional Reader
Let’s put a capon this potential pun thread right here and now.
Now, now.
Don’t squab-ble.
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DaddyG Mon, Aug 17, 2009 8:38:55am |
re: #367 BlackFedora
the flag@whitehouse.gov thing creeped me out. I suspect if a Republican administration had done something like that the Keith Olbermann’s of the world would have been all over it. However, I would’ve been uncomfortable with it even if Republicans did it.
I agree. I was very tempted to send in a smart alek reply but I didn’t want to end up on a list. Americans are rightly suspicious of “lists” since the 1950’s and I don’t think the administration did themselves any favors by asking people to report “disinformation” ala the Red Guards.
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Kosh's Shadow Mon, Aug 17, 2009 8:39:35am |
re: #343 DaddyG
There is a lesson in there. Dictators and genocide don’t appear in a vacuum. They are supported by large groups of “ordinary people”. The movements that led up to World War II and the atrocities they brought were often quite attractive and popular. Dehumanizing an entire race or religion is not that far fetched a notion even today.
We’re seeing it with the attacks on Israel. First “Zionists”, then all Jews.
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DaddyG Mon, Aug 17, 2009 8:40:17am |
re: #371 Occasional Reader
Let’s put a capon this potential pun thread right here and now.
Will this be an edible fowl thread or a general avian thread?
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Kenneth Mon, Aug 17, 2009 8:40:18am |
re: #349 funky chicken
Very interesting. The WaPo article talks about McKeirnen’s old-school approach not working, and his lack of political acumen (ie. his reluctance to kiss ass in Washington).
Do you have a link for that claim that McChrystal asked for 400,000 troops? That sounds extraordinary.
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Occasional Reader Mon, Aug 17, 2009 8:40:22am |
re: #357 Kenneth
You mean the bedroom where you lurked with a stack of Adriana’s fashion mags, Mrs. Palm and her 5 daughters…
I deny any relationship with the wife of the former Swedish Prime Minister. Or her daughters.
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SurferDoc Mon, Aug 17, 2009 8:40:24am |
re: #165 Walter L. Newton
Salute and an upding for you saying it so well!
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Ojoe Mon, Aug 17, 2009 8:40:30am |
Lew Rockwell has done more to cement the intellectual foundations of the movement for liberty than anybody else today.
This is a rotten metaphor.
Cement = immobility
Liberty = freedom to move.
The intellect: with the flight of thought, perhaps even faster than light.
Cement my ass.
On second thought, don’t cement it.
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aboo-Hoo-Hoo Mon, Aug 17, 2009 8:41:48am |
re: #330 Ward Cleaver
0bama’s refusal to release other information about his life plays into the nirthers’ hands. Of course, keeping the nirthers in a lather helps him, since he can keep the opposition chasing its tail.
Works great for Obama & Co., hell…were I in their shoes I’d probably do the same thing.
In fact, there’s also a lesson to learned about allying or aligning with groups with questionable politics..ie..the Gellers’s et al and Euro’s ‘far right’ but until the American public becomes educated & knowledgeable in the workings of what is historically called ‘revolutionary’ doctrine, there is going to be an extremely heavy price to pay.
Like now with Obama.
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laZardo Mon, Aug 17, 2009 8:41:51am |
re: #379 DaddyG
Will this be an edible fowl thread or a general avian thread?
Don’t get cocky with your little distinctions.
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SasquatchOnSteroids Mon, Aug 17, 2009 8:41:52am |
re: #371 Occasional Reader
Let’s put a capon this potential pun thread right here and now.
I’m Robin that one.
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turn Mon, Aug 17, 2009 8:41:54am |
re: #371 Occasional Reader
Let’s put a capon this potential pun thread right here and now.
OR is a nirther? Well I’ll be, pigeon me - I must be dreaming.
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kansas Mon, Aug 17, 2009 8:42:12am |
re: #165 Walter L. Newton
All this crazy seething and outrage by conservatives has gotten out of control. We are seeing it at these town hall meetings, on talk radio, hell, I even heard some conservative in Walmarts men’s room raging about Obamacare (that was scary, I had to report him to the greeter).
And what happens, well, the administration got back at us. They look like they are going to pull the public option, they removed the “end of life” language, Murtha suggests that a health care bill probably won’t pass until at least Jan. 2010, if at all and Obama is adjusting his party line at these public gatherings where he is speaking.
The conservatives better be careful. If we keep up protesting this and making our feelings known, this whole thing may fall apart.
They are not going to pull the public option, Walter. It’s a tactical pullback. Temporary.
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DaddyG Mon, Aug 17, 2009 8:42:40am |
re: #383 Ojoe
Cement my ass.On second thought, don’t cement it.
Very smart. You don’t want to be bound by that comment.
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quickjustice Mon, Aug 17, 2009 8:42:44am |
re: #361 buzzsawmonkey
After the East German communist government collapsed, a Jewish family member of mine traveled to East Germany to make a claim on a beautiful home owned by his family at the time they fled the Nazis.
When he knocked on the door, it was opened by an old woman whom he recognized as the wife of a high-ranking local former Nazi dignitary.
Some things never change.
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Last Mohican Mon, Aug 17, 2009 8:43:32am |
re: #367 BlackFedora
Hypothetical White House press release from 2003:
It has come to President Bush’s attention that certain people have been spreading all sort of lies about the Patriot Act and the war in Iraq. Make no mistake about it: these people are pretending that they’re honest Americans who disagree with the Patriot Act and the war, but actually they’re being paid by Al Qaeda to spread their lies. They want to make America vulnerable, so that terrorists can kill your children while they sleep.
We need to find them and stop them. If you get a private email from a friend or family member criticizing President Bush’s policies, please forward it to flag@whitehouse.gov immediately, so that we can take care of the problem. Please also send us a link to any web site that criticizes President Bush. And tell us if you hear any criticism of him in casual conversation, too.
Thank you for your help in stamping out these Al Qaeda-funded lies and protecting America.
Can you imagine the outrage if this had actually happened?
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Occasional Reader Mon, Aug 17, 2009 8:43:57am |
re: #383 Ojoe
This is a rotten metaphor.
Cement = immobility
Liberty = freedom to move.
The intellect: with the flight of thought, perhaps even faster than light.Cement my ass.
On second thought, don’t cement it.
I recall from a college trip to Cancun how one of the spoiled little princesses in our charter group was complaining about her hotel room, saying there was “dried cement” all over certain parts of the bathroom. Except she put the stress on the first syllable of “cement”. I was duly shocked on her behalf… until I figured out she was actually saying “cement”.
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Kenneth Mon, Aug 17, 2009 8:44:57am |
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Ojoe Mon, Aug 17, 2009 8:45:15am |
re: #392 Occasional Reader
Concrete and cement are often confused. Cement is the fine gray powder used to make concrete.
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Ward Cleaver Mon, Aug 17, 2009 8:45:25am |
re: #383 Ojoe
This is a rotten metaphor.
Cement = immobility
Liberty = freedom to move.
The intellect: with the flight of thought, perhaps even faster than light.Cement my ass.
On second thought, don’t cement it.
Rockwell’s head is full of cement.
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DaddyG Mon, Aug 17, 2009 8:45:34am |
re: #392 Occasional Reader
I recall from a college trip to Cancun how one of the spoiled little princesses in our charter group was complaining about her hotel room, saying there was “dried cement” all over certain parts of the bathroom. Except she put the stress on the first syllable of “cement”. I was duly shocked on her behalf… until I figured out she was actually saying “cement”.
Thought the kid had spunk did ya? /
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Lincolntf Mon, Aug 17, 2009 8:45:44am |
Drudge is saying that Obama has pulled the plug on his snitch site. (The link didn’t work for me, so extra grains of salt). I hope it’s true.
Yet another brilliant, well thought-out and vitally necessary program instantly becomes expendable the moment it hits the light of day. Poor little Obama can’t even spy right.
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yma o hyd Mon, Aug 17, 2009 8:45:59am |
re: #377 WriterMom
YID: I just sent you a note.
Got it, thanks! Reply winging its way through the webspace towards you.
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Ward Cleaver Mon, Aug 17, 2009 8:46:10am |
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Occasional Reader Mon, Aug 17, 2009 8:46:12am |
re: #391 Last Mohican
Hypothetical White House press release from 2003:
Can you imagine the outrage if this had actually happened?
And yet, we have lefties right here at LGF who now claim they’d have had no problem with it (when this hypothetical is presented to them, in the context of a discussion of flag.whitehouse). Suurrre.
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Cato the Elder Mon, Aug 17, 2009 8:47:30am |
Might as well repost one of my Ron Paul limericks.
Ron Paul has the answers you seek.
Stop the Fed, heal the sick, free the meek.
That’s all well and good, but
Luap Nor is a fruitnut.
He’d turn into Pol Pot in a week.
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turn Mon, Aug 17, 2009 8:47:59am |
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Kenneth Mon, Aug 17, 2009 8:48:00am |
re: #392 Occasional Reader
In case you’re wondering, Jethro and Ellie-Mae Clampet swam about in a “cement” pond, not a, …well, you know… not that.
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Lincolntf Mon, Aug 17, 2009 8:48:17am |
re: #402 Occasional Reader
It’s possible that the Flag.Gov debacle has just met a timely end. I’m hoping to see a press release to that effect any minute now. Fingers crossed, Drudge serially refreshing.
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yma o hyd Mon, Aug 17, 2009 8:48:21am |
re: #395 buzzsawmonkey
Meanwhile, back in Jerusalem, the world quivers in outrage as Israel evicts Arabs from houses which they received from the Jordanian government after the Jordanians ethnically cleansed East Jerusalem during the 19 years of illegal Arab occupation.
Yeah well, as the man lizard qj said:
some things never chagne …!
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quickjustice Mon, Aug 17, 2009 8:49:13am |
re: #400 buzzsawmonkey
That principle also explains the expulsion of the Jews from Spain in 1492. Ferdinand and Isabella owed large sums to their Jewish bankers. It therefore was convenient to expel all Jews from Spain at that time in the name of the One True Faith.
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Killgore Trout Mon, Aug 17, 2009 8:49:21am |
re: #398 Lincolntf
Poor little Obama can’t even spy right.
Heh.
/He’s spyin’ on mah death panel, looking to his nirth certifikit in da FEMA camp!
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Occasional Reader Mon, Aug 17, 2009 8:49:34am |
re: #397 DaddyG
Thought the kid had spunk did ya? /
Heh.
She was a truly awful person, who looked absolutely fantastic in a bikini.
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laZardo Mon, Aug 17, 2009 8:49:37am |
re: #402 Occasional Reader
And yet, we have lefties right here at LGF who now claim they’d have had no problem with it (when this hypothetical is presented to them, in the context of a discussion of flag.whitehouse). Suurrre.
):
/i continue to maintain that the most they could’ve really done with that list is drop a crate of pro-single-payer agitprop on someone’s front doorstep.
//but that’s all i gotta say about that.
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turn Mon, Aug 17, 2009 8:50:28am |
re: #398 Lincolntf
Drudge is saying that Obama has pulled the plug on his snitch site. (The link didn’t work for me, so extra grains of salt). I hope it’s true.
Yet another brilliant, well thought-out and vitally necessary program instantly becomes expendable the moment it hits the light of day. Poor little Obama can’t even spy right.
Hi lincolnf, do you think the unsolicited emails that Gibbs is avoiding questions on were the result of that snitch program?
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DaddyG Mon, Aug 17, 2009 8:50:40am |
re: #404 turn
Home come you wrote that dg?
It was a very sick pun. I’m not sure I want to explain it.
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quickjustice Mon, Aug 17, 2009 8:50:42am |
The Spanish government apologized to the Jewish community for the expulsion in 1984, IIRC.
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Occasional Reader Mon, Aug 17, 2009 8:51:49am |
re: #409 quickjustice
That principle also explains the expulsion of the Jews from Spain in 1492. Ferdinand and Isabella owed large sums to their Jewish bankers. It therefore was convenient to expel all Jews from Spain at that time in the name of the One True Faith.
I should have tried that with my student loan lenders-of-record years ago!
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realwest Mon, Aug 17, 2009 8:51:52am |
Hey Y’all - just got back from doing part I of my chores today and thought I’d drop by and post this news (sorry if it’s already been posted, but the spinoff links are already at 30!).
Voters Skeptical About Health Care Reform Claims Made By Pelosi and Hoyer
Lost in the uproar over a comment in USA Today by the top two House Democrats that those protesting health care reform are “un-American” were several statements aimed at assuring Americans that their access to quality care will be even greater. But new national surveying by Rasmussen Reports finds that voters are far from assured by the comments of House Speaker Nancy Pelosi and Majority Leader Steny Hoyer in the same article.
Forty-five percent (45%) of voters nationwide think Pelosi and Hoyer are wrong when they say the passage of health care reform will mean more affordable coverage for all Americans. But 36% share the Democratic Congressional leaders’ view and believe health care will become more affordable if the plan passes. Eighteen percent (18%) are undecided.
Just 27% of all voters agree with the senior House Democrats that if the health care reform being considered by Congress is passed, it will mean more patient choice. Forty-nine percent (49%) disagree and do not believe more patient choice is likely, and 24% are not sure.
Link:[Link: www.rasmussenreports.com…]
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Achilles Tang Mon, Aug 17, 2009 8:51:59am |
re: #388 kansas
They are not going to pull the public option, Walter. It’s a tactical pullback. Temporary.
I’m no expert on this stuff, and to be honest I’ve taken an apathy pill to keep my blood pressure under control, but what I want to know from all those against a “public” option on principle alone is when they will start demonstrating for the abolition of federal flood insurance?
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DaddyG Mon, Aug 17, 2009 8:52:02am |
re: #411 Occasional Reader
Heh.
She was a truly awful person, who looked absolutely fantastic in a bikini.
Pretty is skin deep but ugly goes clear to the bone.
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Charles Johnson Mon, Aug 17, 2009 8:52:09am |
By the way, after he posted a blatantly bigoted comment, I banned “quiet man” this weekend. He has just emailed to tell me how much he hates me, and that he’s going to be “exposing” me at the stalker site now.
And ends his stupid hate mail with “bless your heart.”
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Lincolntf Mon, Aug 17, 2009 8:52:12am |
re: #410 Killgore Trout
As usual, the only one talking about nirth, FEMA, etc. is you. If the Flag site is a conspiracy theory, then you really ought to tell Obama as he seems to think it’s real.
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turn Mon, Aug 17, 2009 8:52:49am |
re: #415 DaddyG
It was a very sick pun. I’m not sure I want to explain it.
I fricked that up, it should have been How come. I picked up on the sickness and OR’s first impression of cement.
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quickjustice Mon, Aug 17, 2009 8:52:51am |
re: #417 Occasional Reader
I don’t think the Spanish government repaid all of the outstanding loans owed to the Jews with interest, however! ;-)
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Cato the Elder Mon, Aug 17, 2009 8:53:34am |
If Sarah and Ron joined forces, they’d make a singularity of simpletons.
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Lincolntf Mon, Aug 17, 2009 8:53:48am |
re: #414 turn
Hi. Who knows? That was definitely my first instinct when people asked “what will happen to the people whose addresses are turned over to the Gov’t?” when the story broke. It happened awfully fast, but it seems likely that the two are connected.
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quickjustice Mon, Aug 17, 2009 8:53:50am |
re: #421 Charles
Charles: You’ve been busted yet again! ;-)
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iceweasel Mon, Aug 17, 2009 8:54:08am |
re: #412 laZardo
):
/i continue to maintain that the most they could’ve really done with that list is drop a crate of pro-single-payer agitprop on someone’s front doorstep.
//but that’s all i gotta say about that.
The call for emails existed for two reasons:
1) to construct a webpage where the most common rumours and lies about health care would be refuted— which they did.
and
2) to put together a mailing list where they could update people who had emailed them about health care reform.
I’m surprised they didn’t have a ‘click this box if you DON’T want to receive info yaddayadda” function. Extraordinarily stupid.
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Silvergirl Mon, Aug 17, 2009 8:54:14am |
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Locker Mon, Aug 17, 2009 8:54:42am |
re: #421 Charles
By the way, after he posted a blatantly bigoted comment, I banned “quiet man” this weekend. He has just emailed to tell me how much he hates me, and that he’s going to be “exposing” me at the stalker site now.
And ends his stupid hate mail with “bless your heart.”
Rejected suitors sometimes take it badly and I’m sure you don’t take it personally.
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Occasional Reader Mon, Aug 17, 2009 8:54:46am |
re: #420 DaddyG
Pretty is skin deep but ugly goes clear to the bone.
She was dreadful. Her initial petulant comments about inferior Mexican standards of [fill in blank] quickly drifted over into openly bigoted comments about Mexicans. She was a friend of a friend of a friend; we wound up shunning her. (Well, a friend of a friend slept with her, THEN shunned her.)
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Killgore Trout Mon, Aug 17, 2009 8:55:03am |
re: #422 Lincolntf
Ever wonder why the Birch Society and Lyndon Larouche are making a comeback? You guys will believe any ridiculous conspiracy theory. I know you can’t help it, I guess you’re stuck like this.
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laZardo Mon, Aug 17, 2009 8:55:12am |
re: #409 quickjustice
That principle also explains the expulsion of the Jews from Spain in 1492. Ferdinand and Isabella owed large sums to their Jewish bankers. It therefore was convenient to expel all Jews from Spain at that time in the name of the One True Faith.
With fear, surprise, ruthless efficiency and an almost fanatical devotion to the Pope.
/that was, unfortunately, expected.
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Last Mohican Mon, Aug 17, 2009 8:55:23am |
re: #402 Occasional Reader
And yet, we have lefties right here at LGF who now claim they’d have had no problem with it (when this hypothetical is presented to them, in the context of a discussion of flag.whitehouse). Suurrre.
I would like to respectfully invite those people to review my hypothetical Bush press release above at #367, and then tell me honestly if they would have approved of it at the time. If the answer is no, then I’d like them to tell me exactly why it’s okay for Obama to do the same thing.
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quickjustice Mon, Aug 17, 2009 8:55:27am |
re: #429 Silvergirl
I dated a librarian years ago. She was definitely hot! Shades of “The Music Man”!
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turn Mon, Aug 17, 2009 8:55:55am |
re: #418 realwest
Morning real, hope you are felling well today. It would be interesting to find out how the polls would break down on this issue out here in her district. Probably overwhelming belief coverage can be expanded at a reduction in cost. SF = Moonbat Central
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Killgore Trout Mon, Aug 17, 2009 8:56:25am |
re: #425 Cato the Elder
Nah, at least Ron Paul is smart.
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DaddyG Mon, Aug 17, 2009 8:56:28am |
re: #423 turn
I fricked that up, it should have been How come. I picked up on the sickness and OR’s first impression of cement.
We should all be ashamed for spewing our disgusting puns like that.
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Cato the Elder Mon, Aug 17, 2009 8:57:01am |
re: #409 quickjustice
That principle also explains the expulsion of the Jews from Spain in 1492. Ferdinand and Isabella owed large sums to their Jewish bankers. It therefore was convenient to expel all Jews from Spain at that time in the name of the One True Faith.
Funny, isn’t it, how people who deplore the expulsion of the Jews will applaud the same action against the Muslims, in the same year.
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Occasional Reader Mon, Aug 17, 2009 8:57:34am |
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DaddyG Mon, Aug 17, 2009 8:57:46am |
re: #421 Charles
By the way, after he posted a blatantly bigoted comment, I banned “quiet man” this weekend. He has just emailed to tell me how much he hates me, and that he’s going to be “exposing” me at the stalker site now.
And ends his stupid hate mail with “bless your heart.”
“Bless your/his/her heart” is an all purpose suffix that allows Southerners and old people to impune at will.
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Lincolntf Mon, Aug 17, 2009 8:57:59am |
re: #432 Killgore Trout
I know, Killgore, I know. Everyone who doesn’t see things exactly the way you do is stupid or insane. That’s very nice for you.
Please don’t let me stand in the way of you rooting out those pesky Larouchians.
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wrenchwench Mon, Aug 17, 2009 8:58:22am |
re: #421 Charles
By the way, after he posted a blatantly bigoted comment, I banned “quiet man” this weekend. He has just emailed to tell me how much he hates me, and that he’s going to be “exposing” me at the stalker site now.
And ends his stupid hate mail with “bless your heart.”
I’ve heard that you can be as rude as you want to a person, but if you end it with “bless your heart” it’s OK.
/
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Occasional Reader Mon, Aug 17, 2009 8:58:51am |
re: #442 Cato the Elder
Funny, isn’t it, how people who deplore the expulsion of the Jews will applaud the same action against the Muslims, in the same year.
Uh, two things:
1) Link, please? Who applauded?
2) Isn’t there a tiny difference between “expelling” an imperial conqueror/occupier, and a minority living under your protection?
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Achilles Tang Mon, Aug 17, 2009 8:58:54am |
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Locker Mon, Aug 17, 2009 8:59:26am |
re: #443 Occasional Reader
And how well-shelved were her stacks?
I just proved it’s possible to be willfully Dyslexic.
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turn Mon, Aug 17, 2009 8:59:34am |
re: #426 Lincolntf
Hi. Who knows? That was definitely my first instinct when people asked “what will happen to the people whose addresses are turned over to the Gov’t?” when the story broke. It happened awfully fast, but it seems likely that the two are connected.
I felt the same way but haven’t been blogging much to find out if that had come up as a topic here at LGF. It sure seems suspicious, especially when I saw Gibbs try and twist his way out of answering
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funky chicken Mon, Aug 17, 2009 8:59:50am |
re: #380 Kenneth
Hey Kenneth. Well, some articles highlight that McC wants to have 400,000 Afghans in their forces, but some seem to say that he wants almost that many US forces.
Either way, he’s not going to get what he’s asking for, unless and until we are out of Iraq, because you can’t train 200,000 Afghan forces without an influx of our troops.
Here’s a Yid with Lid post:
[Link: yidwithlid.blogspot.com…]
Frankly, I don’t like this:
To achieve that, one official said, the latest draft of McChrystal’s assessment on the war includes the following recommendations:
_Using intelligence less to hunt insurgents and more to understand local, tribal and social power structures in the areas where they operate. McChrystal is considering concentrating troops around populated areas rather than going after sparsely populated mountain areas where Taliban hide.
_Getting troops more active in fighting corruption. U.S. forces will need to take care in their dealings with local Afghan leaders to ensure that they are not perceived by the Afghan population to be empowering corrupt officials.
In preparing his assessment of the Afghan command, McChrystal found an American military culture that showed a great concern for troops’ protection — sometimes at the expense of their relations with Afghan civilians.
To change those relations, McChrystal wants American forces to think twice about basic conduct — for instance no longer pointing their guns at people when they pass in convoy or blocking narrow roads with their convoys, while relegating Afghans to the ditches.
To deal with the most contentious aspect of those shaky relations, McChrystal has already committed to try to reduce civilian casualties by issuing new orders that restrict when troops should call in bombing strikes.
[Link: news.yahoo.com…]
At least my husband is up in the air, and not on the ground over there.
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SasquatchOnSteroids Mon, Aug 17, 2009 9:00:15am |
The librarian at our local one could stop a clock with her books.
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SurferDoc Mon, Aug 17, 2009 9:00:16am |
Hi, I’m a condescending prick on the internet. And a genius.
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Achilles Tang Mon, Aug 17, 2009 9:00:44am |
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Last Mohican Mon, Aug 17, 2009 9:01:48am |
Popular Obama fansite CNN.com seems to be getting a little worried about the fate of the Obamacare bills. They just posted this editorial by a former Insurance executive who “defected”:
The higher I rose in the company, the more I learned about the tactics insurers use to dump policyholders when they get sick, in order to increase profits and to reward their Wall Street investors. I could not in good conscience continue serving as an industry mouthpiece. And I did not want to be part of yet another industry effort to kill meaningful reform.I explained during the press conference with Rep. Slaughter how the industry funnels millions of its policyholders’ premiums to big public relations firms that provide talking points to conservative talk show hosts, business groups and politicians. I also described how the PR firms set up front groups, again using your premium dollars and mine, to scare people away from reform.
What I’m trying to do as I write and speak out against the insurance industry I was a part of for nearly two decades is to inform Americans that when they hear isolated stories of long waiting times to see doctors in Canada and allegations that care in other systems is rationed by “government bureaucrats,” someone associated with the insurance industry wrote the original script.
It’s worth a read. I’m no fan of health insurance companies — in general, they’re in the business of trying to get rich by preventing people from getting health care. I merely reject the conclusion that the answer to this is to pass whatever health care bill the Dems propose immediately, without any debate or compromise.
Also, the part about Canada is bullsh*t. I know plenty of doctors who have practiced in Canada. The story about waiting months to get a test or an operation are real. They weren’t scripted by the insurance companies.
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Kosh's Shadow Mon, Aug 17, 2009 9:01:56am |
re: #413 buzzsawmonkey
Instant Jubilee! Just add expulsion!
The Jubilee only ends loans made between Jews; non Jews are still obligated to pay.
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Dianna Mon, Aug 17, 2009 9:01:57am |
re: #454 buzzsawmonkey
“…Villains! Dissemble no longer! I admit the deed! Here…it is the beating of his blessed heart!”
—Edgar Allen Poe
I may stop laughing sometime in the next half hour. But don’t count on it.
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Killgore Trout Mon, Aug 17, 2009 9:02:11am |
re: #441 Occasional Reader
That was over the line.
No, It’s very true. The right is infested with conspiracy theories these days. People will believe anything. Most of these conspiracy theories originate with Lew Rockwell and Alex Jones about a week or two before they show up on mainstream conservative blogs and FOX news. It’s a fact. Much of the momentum on the right starts with Alex Jones and other conspiracy theorists. It’s frustrating to see and people just won’t listen to reason.
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Occasional Reader Mon, Aug 17, 2009 9:02:22am |
re: #454 buzzsawmonkey
“…Villains! Dissemble no longer! I admit the deed! Here…it is the beating of his blessed heart!”
—Edgar Allen Poe
You’re not even trying to Masque your intention to start a Poe pun thread. Well, I’m just going to Hop-Frog right over your post, and ignore it. Nevermore will I pay attention to such nonsense.
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realwest Mon, Aug 17, 2009 9:03:10am |
re: #432 Killgore Trout
Ever wonder why the Birch Society and Lyndon Larouche are making a comeback?
You guysThey will believe any ridiculous conspiracy theory. I knowyouthey can’t help it, I guess they’reyou’restuck like this.
There, FTFY!
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Charles Johnson Mon, Aug 17, 2009 9:03:29am |
re: #265 Occasional Reader
Sorry, but I don’t buy the idea that McCarthy is denouncing Nirtherism in that article. He is not. In fact, the whole point of the article is to counter the NRO editorial that did denounce Nirtherism.
McCarthy is trying to have it both ways. He protests that believing Obama isn’t a citizen is crazy, then turns around in the next paragraph and says, “but what if?” And to make it even more disingenuous, then he suggests that the Nirther craziness demonstrates that Obama is somehow suspect.
I wouldn’t accept this kind of blatant spinning from a lefty, and I’m sure not going to accept it from McCarthy.
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Occasional Reader Mon, Aug 17, 2009 9:03:57am |
re: #460 Killgore Trout
And with your “you guys”, you turned it into an ad hominem against Lincolntf, associating him Lew Rockwell and Alex Jones.
Uh, the flag.whitehouse thing is real. You know that, right?
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realwest Mon, Aug 17, 2009 9:04:47am |
re: #438 Occasional Reader
I’m doing ok today, thanks you young pup!
(uh, when can I expect my check for calling you a “young pup”)?
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CommonCents Mon, Aug 17, 2009 9:05:01am |
re: #421 Charles
By the way, after he posted a blatantly bigoted comment, I banned “quiet man” this weekend. He has just emailed to tell me how much he hates me, and that he’s going to be “exposing” me at the stalker site now.
As if. Doesn’t having a popular website like this kind of expose yourself (not like that)? As well as radio appearances where you share your views?
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Last Mohican Mon, Aug 17, 2009 9:05:18am |
re: #450 turn
I felt the same way but haven’t been blogging much to find out if that had come up as a topic here at LGF. It sure seems suspicious, especially when I saw Gibbs try and twist his way out of answering
It did come up as a topic. The defenders of the snitch address claimed that what the WH really meant was for people just to copy and paste the content of the private anti-Obamacare emails into a new anonymized email message, thereby preserving the anonymity of the emailer.
Obviously that’s ridiculous. However, I personally don’t believe that the White House intended to keep a hit list, and methodically “come after” its critics with tax audits or whatever.
Nevertheless, if I were a contractor bidding for a federal contract, or, say, a Chrysler dealer worried about his dealership shutting down, I’d be very concerned about the White House identifying me as an opponent of its policies.
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DaddyG Mon, Aug 17, 2009 9:06:01am |
re: #467 CommonCents
As if. Doesn’t having a popular website like this kind of expose yourself (not like that)? As well as radio appearances where you share your views?
There were those pictures he took in his indescreet youth. /
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Killgore Trout Mon, Aug 17, 2009 9:06:35am |
re: #465 Occasional Reader
Uh, the flag.whitehouse thing is real. You know that, right?
It’s not an enemies list, it’s not collecting information to spy on healthcare reform critics.
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VegasRick Mon, Aug 17, 2009 9:06:39am |
re: #465 Occasional Reader
And with your “you guys”, you turned it into an ad hominem against Lincolntf, associating him Lew Rockwell and Alex Jones.
Uh, the flag.whitehouse thing is real. You know that, right?
That is just so that “0” can correct ALL OF US on what is right and what is not with all of his wonderful policies.
*puke
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Cato the Elder Mon, Aug 17, 2009 9:06:44am |
re: #447 Occasional Reader
Uh, two things:
1) Link, please? Who applauded?
2) Isn’t there a tiny difference between “expelling” an imperial conqueror/occupier, and a minority living under your protection?
Find your own link. I would guess Pam Geller would be one, and Robert Spencer another.
At the time the Moors were expelled they had long since been a minority. Submission to Catholicism (= Catholic Islam) was obligatory.
Expulsion of the Muslims and Jews
Main article: Alhambra decreeMost Muslims and Jews were forced to either convert to Christianity or leave Spain and Portugal and have their assets seized. Many Muslims and Jews moved to North Africa rather than submit to forced conversion. During the Islamic administration, Christians and Jews were allowed to convert or retain their religions with rights and a tax, lower than that imposed by previous or later leaders, which was paid for a symbolic rather than a practical character, which if not paid the penalty was death, as it was considered as an attack on the supremacy of Islam, and since the tax was for protection from outside invasions, the refusal of pay was considered to weaken the empire, although during the time of the Almoravids and especially the Almohads they were also treated badly, in contrast to the policies of the earlier Umayyad rulers.
The new Christian hierarchy, on the other hand, demanded heavy taxes and gave them nominal rights, but only in heavily Islamic regions, such as Granada, until their own power was sufficient, and the influence of the Inquisition strong enough, to make further expulsion both possible and economically feasible. In 1496, under Archbishop Hernando de Talavera, even the Muslim population of Granada was forced to accept Christianity. In 1502, the king and queen declared submission to Catholicism officially compulsory in Castilian domains. Emperor Charles V did the same for the Kingdom of Aragon in 1526, validating the forced conversions of much of its Muslim population during the Revolt of the Germanies.[3] These policies were not only officially religious in nature but also effectively seized the wealth of the vanquished.
Most of the descendants of those Muslims and Jews who submitted to compulsory conversion to Christianity rather than exile during the early periods of the Inquisition, the Moriscos and Conversos respectively, were later expelled from Spain and Portugal when the Inquisition was at its height. The expulsion was carried out more severely in Eastern Spain (Valencia and Aragon), due to local animosity towards Muslims and Moriscos where they were seen as economic rivals by the citizenry. A major Morisco revolt happened in 1568, and the Moriscos were officially expelled in 1609, and, in Aragon, in 1610.
Just sayin’.
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Occasional Reader Mon, Aug 17, 2009 9:06:54am |
re: #464 Charles
In fact, the whole point of the article is to counter the NRO editorial that did denounce Nirtherism.
The only “countering” I see him do is of the specific statement in the “Born in the USA” NRO editorial that there is no “second document”. As far as I’m aware, he is factually correct in saying that was an overstatement; the “certification” confirms the existence of the “certificate”, but is not the same document. He is quite clear in what he is NOT saying: “The point has little do do with whether Obama was born in Hawaii. I’m quite confident that he was.”
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Dianna Mon, Aug 17, 2009 9:07:04am |
re: #467 CommonCents
As if. Doesn’t having a popular website like this kind of expose yourself (not like that)? As well as radio appearances where you share your views?
Why, yes. Yes, it does.
Imagine that!
This sort of idiocy drives me to distraction, and I don’t see how Charles puts up with it.
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kansas Mon, Aug 17, 2009 9:07:30am |
re: #410 Killgore Trout
Heh.
/He’s spyin’ on mah death panel, looking to his nirth certifikit in da FEMA camp!
RULE 5: “Ridicule is man’s most potent weapon.” There is no defense. It’s irrational. It’s infuriating. It also works as a key pressure point to force the enemy into concessions. (Pretty crude, rude and mean, huh? They want to create anger and fear.)
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Kosh's Shadow Mon, Aug 17, 2009 9:07:35am |
re: #456 Last Mohican
Popular Obama fansite CNN.com seems to be getting a little worried about the fate of the Obamacare bills. They just posted this editorial by a former Insurance executive who “defected”:
It’s worth a read. I’m no fan of health insurance companies — in general, they’re in the business of trying to get rich by preventing people from getting health care. I merely reject the conclusion that the answer to this is to pass whatever health care bill the Dems propose immediately, without any debate or compromise.
Also, the part about Canada is bullsh*t. I know plenty of doctors who have practiced in Canada. The story about waiting months to get a test or an operation are real. They weren’t scripted by the insurance companies.
Yes, the insurance companies want to deny care, but at least there is action that can be taken against them. There have been cases where they got in trouble with the states for denying care.
The government will do the same thing, but there will be no one to help fight their misbehavior, because they will be insurer and regulatory agency in one.
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Pianobuff Mon, Aug 17, 2009 9:07:46am |
re: #432 Killgore Trout
Ever wonder why the Birch Society and Lyndon Larouche are making a comeback? You guys will believe any ridiculous conspiracy theory. I know you can’t help it, I guess you’re stuck like this.
In what world is Larouche owned by the right?
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CommonCents Mon, Aug 17, 2009 9:07:46am |
re: #470 Killgore Trout
It’s not an enemies list, it’s not collecting information to spy on healthcare reform critics.
What do your sources that set it up tell you it is for?
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Achilles Tang Mon, Aug 17, 2009 9:07:47am |
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DaddyG Mon, Aug 17, 2009 9:07:59am |
re: #470 Killgore Trout
It’s not an enemies list, it’s not collecting information to spy on healthcare reform critics.
Spy… no. SPAM… appearantly.
Or at the very least their bumbling of their e-mail lists makes it appear as though they misused the data.
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Last Mohican Mon, Aug 17, 2009 9:08:57am |
re: #470 Killgore Trout
It’s not an enemies list, it’s not collecting information to spy on healthcare reform critics.
How do you know? Are you the White House employee responsible for keeping the list?
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Kosh's Shadow Mon, Aug 17, 2009 9:09:06am |
re: #461 Occasional Reader
You’re not even trying to Masque your intention to start a Poe pun thread. Well, I’m just going to Hop-Frog right over your post, and ignore it. Nevermore will I pay attention to such nonsense.
Perhaps some wine will usher in some calm; some Amontillado, perhaps?
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Cato the Elder Mon, Aug 17, 2009 9:09:22am |
Someone on Craigslist is offering to sell me a death panel truck.
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CommonCents Mon, Aug 17, 2009 9:09:51am |
re: #474 Dianna
Why, yes. Yes, it does.
Imagine that!
This sort of idiocy drives me to distraction, and I don’t see how Charles puts up with it.
I do. We all get that from somone at some point in our lives. You can either waste your energy caring or let it roll off like rain on a window. You sit inside nice and dry while the ridiculer flails about in the puddles and mud.
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SasquatchOnSteroids Mon, Aug 17, 2009 9:10:12am |
re: #482 Kosh’s Shadow
Perhaps some wine will usher in some calm; some Amontillado, perhaps?
Be still my Tell-Tale Heart.
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Occasional Reader Mon, Aug 17, 2009 9:10:14am |
re: #470 Killgore Trout
It’s not an enemies list, it’s not collecting information to spy on healthcare reform critics.
[sigh] It explicitly called for the forwarding of e-mails. Whether intentional or not, that sets up a … you know, database. At best, it was remarkably poor judgment. And the fact that it remained up, unaltered, for WEEKS after it came in for criticism for just that aspect… well, that doesn’t exactly help things.
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Mon, Aug 17, 2009 9:10:44am |
Sheesh. I feel caught between the pit and the pendulum this morning with this Poe pun thread.
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Charpete67 Mon, Aug 17, 2009 9:11:35am |
re: #483 Cato the Elder
Someone on Craigslist is offering to sell me a death panel truck.
so…you would get to decide who you run over?…//
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Dianna Mon, Aug 17, 2009 9:11:40am |
re: #477 Pianobuff
In what world is Larouche owned by the right?
In what world is LaRouche owned by reality?
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Athos Mon, Aug 17, 2009 9:11:59am |
re: #468 Last Mohican
It did come up as a topic. The defenders of the snitch address claimed that what the WH really meant was for people just to copy and paste the content of the private anti-Obamacare emails into a new anonymized email message, thereby preserving the anonymity of the emailer.
Obviously that’s ridiculous. However, I personally don’t believe that the White House intended to keep a hit list, and methodically “come after” its critics with tax audits or whatever.
Nevertheless, if I were a contractor bidding for a federal contract, or, say, a Chrysler dealer worried about his dealership shutting down, I’d be very concerned about the White House identifying me as an opponent of its policies.
The reasons and rationale around this list continue to be a moving target - which only fuels the concerns…the latest being that an unnamed 3rd party added emails to the ‘list’.
But here is the challenge - while I agree with you that it is unlikely that this list is being collected as an ‘enemies list’ (more likely just a naive and poorly thought out / communicated effort to ‘correct the record’ as they claim) - you raise the contradiction in your own concern as someone who needs something from the current administration and cannot be seen as opposing a policy decision. There is something around that type of execution of power that goes against the values of many Americans - a pettiness and sensitivity to criticism.
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aboo-Hoo-Hoo Mon, Aug 17, 2009 9:12:16am |
re: #483 Cato the Elder
Someone on Craigslist is offering to sell me a death panel truck.
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DaddyG Mon, Aug 17, 2009 9:12:55am |
re: #483 Cato the Elder
Someone on Craigslist is offering to sell me a death panel truck.
The exhaust system is hooked directly into the AC?/
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midwestgak Mon, Aug 17, 2009 9:13:15am |
re: #466 realwest
Morning {real}. It’s rainy here in the Chicago area. Cooler than usual but HUUUMID.
I’m making DeCaf if you would like some.
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Cato the Elder Mon, Aug 17, 2009 9:13:42am |
re: #484 CommonCents
I do. We all get that from somone at some point in our lives. You can either waste your energy caring or let it roll off like rain on a window. You sit inside nice and dry while the ridiculer flails about in the puddles and mud.
Charles puts up with it because it comes with the territory. What I don’t get are lizards who not only monitor the stalkers but challenge insanity to rhetorical brawls and then act all surprised when their names get dragged into the fever swamps, too.
Basic rule, don’t confront a paranoid schizophrenic who’s off his meds. Walk away, lock your door, call the cops, whatever. Just don’t engage him.
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Occasional Reader Mon, Aug 17, 2009 9:14:28am |
re: #489 buzzsawmonkey
I think you’re starting unfounded Rue Morgues.
I’d take longer to reply to your post, but I’m reminded that it’s lunchtime by the bells, bells, bells, bells, bells (of the church down the block). Later.
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SurferDoc Mon, Aug 17, 2009 9:14:43am |
re: #479 Naso Tang
You are a Democrat??? Coulda fooled me.
No, a Perfected Conservative, purged of all unseemly vices of thought.
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jcm Mon, Aug 17, 2009 9:14:47am |
re: #494 DaddyG
The exhaust system is hooked directly into the AC?/
Don’t want those nasty emission getting into the environment.
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Cato the Elder Mon, Aug 17, 2009 9:14:55am |
re: #490 Charpete67
so…you would get to decide who you run over?…//
No, silly. Obama would tell me that.
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bodrules Mon, Aug 17, 2009 9:15:23am |
Totally O/T but…
Just been on the Michael Yon site, some pretty impressive photo’s in his latest dispatch, but as always there’s the sad news of the toll that the fighting is taking.
Looked through his “No More Young soldiers” piece and realised that one of the British troops photographed in it was killed just a couple of days ago by an IED, that kinda brings it home to you in a big way.
:-(
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pre-Boomer Marine brat Mon, Aug 17, 2009 9:15:30am |
re: #461 Occasional Reader
You’re not even trying to Masque your intention to start a Poe pun thread. Well, I’m just going to Hop-Frog right over your post, and ignore it. Nevermore will I pay attention to such nonsense.
Yeah, I know. If I tell you to stop, you’ll just keep Raven on.
*sigh*
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Kenneth Mon, Aug 17, 2009 9:16:02am |
re: #451 funky chicken
Ok, that’s different then. Having an ultimate target of 400,000 Afghani troops is not the same thing as requesting 400,000 US/NATO troops. It will take years to get there, maybe a decade or more.
Mya God watch over and keep your husband safe.
I wish the US & NATO would realize they are not going to turn Af’stan into Switzerland. Not soon and not in 50 years. Democracy sounds nice, but they are not in the right century for that. Tribalism & religion are too hard poles that mitigate against any hope of a modern pluralistic society. The best we can hope for is to wipe out Al Qaeda, beat the Taliban down till they are willing to work with the other tribes, build the Afghan army up to where they can look after themselves, then get the hell out of there. The big irony is this: you can’t have democracy without security. But you can’t have security without a strong national army. It will take a decade to build up to that, and then the army will be the only strong national institution. The gov’t will still be corrupt. The tribes will be petty. The religion will be medieval. Sooner or later, the army will step up and take over from the incompetent and corrupt gov’t.
And that’s the optimistic scenario.
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realwest Mon, Aug 17, 2009 9:16:04am |
re: #451 funky chicken
Hi funky chicken! Well, except for the fighting corruption stuff at the apparently extremely local level, the DRAFT of McChrystal’s proposals could have been lifted straight out of the US Army Special Forces manual for winning a counter-guerrilla war.
There IS a lot to be said for winning hearts and minds.
IIRC, it was only when the Sunni Muslims began to trust the US Troops that they began to tell us and Iraqi Troops where Al-Q and the “foreign fighters” were hiding; we then used that intel to great effect, killing the “foreign fighters and Al-Q” by the truckload.
It’s axiomatic for a guerrilla war to succeed, the guerrilla’s MUST win the hearts, minds and support of the local populace.
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Charles Johnson Mon, Aug 17, 2009 9:16:14am |
re: #473 Occasional Reader
The only “countering” I see him do is of the specific statement in the “Born in the USA” NRO editorial that there is no “second document”. As far as I’m aware, he is factually correct in saying that was an overstatement; the “certification” confirms the existence of the “certificate”, but is not the same document. He is quite clear in what he is NOT saying: “The point has little do do with whether Obama was born in Hawaii. I’m quite confident that he was.”
Right — he’s trying to keep the issue alive by floating the Corollary to the Nirther delusion, that there must be something Obama’s trying to hide on his “long form” certificate. It’s utter crap, sorry. He’s transparently pandering to the Nirther movement, while making sounds as if he isn’t.
These are the kinds of articles I dislike more than any other. The dishonesty just reeks.
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DaddyG Mon, Aug 17, 2009 9:16:16am |
re: #496 Cato the Elder
Nice. Rotating Title nominee: “challegning insanity to rhetorical brawls”
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Dianna Mon, Aug 17, 2009 9:16:35am |
re: #498 Occasional Reader
I’d take longer to reply to your post, but I’m reminded that it’s lunchtime by the bells, bells, bells, bells, bells (of the church down the block). Later.
The tintinnabulation of the bells!
The ringing and the singing of the bells!
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Cato the Elder Mon, Aug 17, 2009 9:16:46am |
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Locker Mon, Aug 17, 2009 9:17:35am |
re: #476 Kosh’s Shadow
Yes, the insurance companies want to deny care, but at least there is action that can be taken against them. There have been cases where they got in trouble with the states for denying care.
The government will do the same thing, but there will be no one to help fight their misbehavior, because they will be insurer and regulatory agency in one.
This made me think and I came out with a different feeling. The government is the public. I can participate. Corporations, on the other hand, are fairly safe from any action I can take unless I am very, very wealthy and can acquire a sufficient block of stock to affect decisions.
What can happen to a corporation other than a fine that it simply builds into it’s operating model? They can’t be removed, they can’t be fired, they can’t be jailed, etc and if you try they have endless supplies of cash to spread whatever version of the truth they would like.
I wonder if this is a basic core difference in fears? Makes me curious to ask if most on the left fear corporations more than government and those on the right fear government more than corporations? Maybe that’s obvious but I’ve never really asked the question so why not ask it now.
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Charpete67 Mon, Aug 17, 2009 9:17:39am |
re: #501 Cato the Elder
No, silly. Obama would tell me that.
I hope I don’t see that thing parked in my driveway someday…
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turn Mon, Aug 17, 2009 9:17:44am |
re: #468 Last Mohican
It did come up as a topic. The defenders of the snitch address claimed that what the WH really meant was for people just to copy and paste the content of the private anti-Obamacare emails into a new anonymized email message, thereby preserving the anonymity of the emailer.
Obviously that’s ridiculous. However, I personally don’t believe that the White House intended to keep a hit list, and methodically “come after” its critics with tax audits or whatever.
Nevertheless, if I were a contractor bidding for a federal contract, or, say, a Chrysler dealer worried about his dealership shutting down, I’d be very concerned about the White House identifying me as an opponent of its policies.
Thanks for that. Whether the WH intended to keep a hit list or not you have to admit if the shoe had been on the other foot the libs heads would be exploding over this right now. I’m not so sure as you that these emails Garret was asking about weren’t the result of the program.
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wahabicorridor Mon, Aug 17, 2009 9:18:28am |
re: #492 Athos
the latest being that an unnamed 3rd party added emails to the ‘list’.
Fox named a possibility for that 3rd party - something like government communications - whose president pointedly declined to comment.
I, too, think there was no nefarious plot afoot in the WH. Just a whole lot of stupid. You know when Fox AND the ACLU are barking at you, the fuck up is epic.
One question it would be interesting to have an answer to - if this does involve a (private) third party, a contract had to have been entered into. Who signed it?
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DawnofTruth Mon, Aug 17, 2009 9:18:40am |
One good aspect of Group Insurance policies is that the insurance company can not deny coverage. Once the employee has has meet the waiting period to enroll in the plan or for pre existing coverage ( usually 8 - 12 months) that employee will be treated no different than any other employee under that plan. Most of the horror stories come from individual plans, but the majority of people in this country are covered under their employers plans. They are two very different creatures.
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Occasional Reader Mon, Aug 17, 2009 9:19:07am |
re: #506 Charles
[one more thing before lunch]
Right — he’s trying to keep the issue alive
I don’t agree with your reading of “the” issue McCarthy is keeping alive. “The” issue he is referring to is Obama’s shifty, opportunistic retelling of his own life story; NOT whether he was born in Hawaii. And I have no problem with keeping that particular story alive.
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MandyManners Mon, Aug 17, 2009 9:19:57am |
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garycooper Mon, Aug 17, 2009 9:20:14am |
re: #496 Cato the Elder
As one who has had to deal with extended-family members on multiple meds, with afflictions of paranoid schizophrenia and severe borderline personality disorder, I am in full agreement. Don’t engage, if you can help it. If you do engage, expect the worst…you’ll be lucky if you come out of the conflict with your own wits intact. :(
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pre-Boomer Marine brat Mon, Aug 17, 2009 9:20:32am |
re: #509 Dianna
The tintinnabulation of the bells!
The ringing and the singing of the bells!
I would like to respond … (though it’s likely to be tossed into a Big Ben labeled “substandard humor”)
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yma o hyd Mon, Aug 17, 2009 9:20:46am |
re: #502 bodrules
Totally O/T but…
Just been on the Michael Yon site, some pretty impressive photo’s in his latest dispatch, but as always there’s the sad news of the toll that the fighting is taking.
Looked through his “No More Young soldiers” piece and realised that one of the British troops photographed in it was killed just a couple of days ago by an IED, that kinda brings it home to you in a big way.
:-(
Indeed it does - I was so upset when I saw the face of that lance bombardier from michael Yon’s dispatch smiling at everybody from the top page of all papers.
The two who were killed as well in that incident were trying to rescue him, he’d been wounded by the first IED, they all got killed by the second.
The youngest, Rifleman Wild, was reported as having been their best finder of hidden wires and IEDs. He was 18.
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Killgore Trout Mon, Aug 17, 2009 9:21:02am |
Swine flue is set to make a comeback in the fall just when congress is set to vote on the healthcare bill. Coincidence?
/Alex Jones
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Cato the Elder Mon, Aug 17, 2009 9:21:19am |
re: #518 Occasional Reader
[one more thing before lunch]
I don’t agree with your reading of “the” issue McCarthy is keeping alive. “The” issue he is referring to is Obama’s shifty, opportunistic retelling of his own life story; NOT whether he was born in Hawaii. And I have no problem with keeping that particular story alive.
If you scratch around in, say, McCain’s biography, you’ll find he wasn’t quite the legend in his own mind he makes himself out to be.
I’m shocked that anyone would pretty up his bio.
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Kosh's Shadow Mon, Aug 17, 2009 9:21:42am |
re: #512 Locker
This made me think and I came out with a different feeling. The government is the public. I can participate. Corporations, on the other hand, are fairly safe from any action I can take unless I am very, very wealthy and can acquire a sufficient block of stock to affect decisions.
What can happen to a corporation other than a fine that it simply builds into it’s operating model? They can’t be removed, they can’t be fired, they can’t be jailed, etc and if you try they have endless supplies of cash to spread whatever version of the truth they would like.
I wonder if this is a basic core difference in fears? Makes me curious to ask if most on the left fear corporations more than government and those on the right fear government more than corporations? Maybe that’s obvious but I’ve never really asked the question so why not ask it now.
An insurance company can lose the right to sell insurance in a state.
Or it can be fined more than the cost of the care, thus making them do what they were supposed to do.
It takes a lot of pressure to change an existing government program, and often, that takes money to give to lobbyists.
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iceweasel Mon, Aug 17, 2009 9:22:23am |
re: #464 Charles
Sorry, but I don’t buy the idea that McCarthy is denouncing Nirtherism in that article. He is not. In fact, the whole point of the article is to counter the NRO editorial that did denounce Nirtherism.
McCarthy is trying to have it both ways. He protests that believing Obama isn’t a citizen is crazy, then turns around in the next paragraph and says, “but what if?” And to make it even more disingenuous, then he suggests that the Nirther craziness demonstrates that Obama is somehow suspect.
I wouldn’t accept this kind of blatant spinning from a lefty, and I’m sure not going to accept it from McCarthy.
Exactly. The entire McCarthy piece is essentially a stalking horse for nirtherism. I consider it worse than the lunacy spewed by someone like Taitz, because Taitz is obviously a lunatic and reasonable people will discount her.
McCarthy is lending a veneer of intellectual respectability to the worst aspects of nirtherism— not by claiming that Obama isn’t a citizen, but by dignifying the questions as if they were legitimate questions.
And as mentioned, this is utterly contrary to NRO’s official editorial line. I still maintain that McCarthy and NRO will come to an ‘amiable agreement’ for him to leave within the year, especially now that Rich Lowry has the editorship and not Kathryn Jean Lopez.
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Cato the Elder Mon, Aug 17, 2009 9:22:25am |
re: #513 Charpete67
I hope I don’t see that thing parked in my driveway someday…
Ten days after you first claim Medicare coverage. It’s in the fine print.
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Charles Johnson Mon, Aug 17, 2009 9:22:53am |
re: #518 Occasional Reader
[one more thing before lunch]
I don’t agree with your reading of “the” issue McCarthy is keeping alive. “The” issue he is referring to is Obama’s shifty, opportunistic retelling of his own life story; NOT whether he was born in Hawaii. And I have no problem with keeping that particular story alive.
Not only is he trying to keep the Nirther issue alive by claiming there’s something Obama is hiding, he hints very openly that he thinks it might be because Obama is a sekrit Muslim.
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SasquatchOnSteroids Mon, Aug 17, 2009 9:23:03am |
re: #523 Killgore Trout
Swine flue is set to make a comeback in the fall just when congress is set to vote on the healthcare bill. Coincidence?
/Alex Jones
That’s crazy. They’d never do it in the fall to disrupt the Christmas shopping season. January, maybe.
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SasquatchOnSteroids Mon, Aug 17, 2009 9:23:36am |
re: #529 SasquatchOnSteroids
That’s crazy. They’d never do it in the fall to disrupt the Christmas shopping season. January, maybe.
/dripping
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CommonCents Mon, Aug 17, 2009 9:24:08am |
re: #523 Killgore Trout
Swine flue is set to make a comeback in the fall just when congress is set to vote on the healthcare bill. Coincidence?
/Alex Jones
I don’t think it’s an Alex Jones type thought to think that the current Democrat politicians wouldn’t exaggerate a crisis if it benefitted their policy and timed a vote a coincide. That is not over-the-top thinking.
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yma o hyd Mon, Aug 17, 2009 9:24:32am |
re: #504 Kenneth
As we’re talking about troops in Afghanistan, here is a sickening report:
British troops killed after commanders forced into Panther’s Claw numbers game
From that link:
‘A tactical decision to pull some British units out of Sangin, in northern Helmand province, led to a surge in Taleban attacks in and around the town in which 14 British soldiers were killed in five weeks.
The troops based in Sangin were withdrawn because they were needed to take part in Operation Panther’s Claw, the five-week offensive in central Helmand that ended on July 25’
This withdrawal was necessy because Gordon Brown refused to let the Army have more men in Afghanistan. He only very begrudgingly allowed them 900 more, not the 2.000 they asked for.
Shameful. Disgusting.
I loathe that man more every day.
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Cato the Elder Mon, Aug 17, 2009 9:24:41am |
I wonder how people will react when they realize the insufficient supply of maybe, maybe not effective H1N1 vaccine will have to be rationed.
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bodrules Mon, Aug 17, 2009 9:24:48am |
re: #523 Killgore Trout
Swine flue is set to make a comeback in the fall just when congress is set to vote on the healthcare bill. Coincidence?
/Alex Jones
Nah, the lazy buggers are all off for their hols, and can’t be bothered to do anything about it till the then, and yes I’m talking about the congress critters not the flu.
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Mon, Aug 17, 2009 9:24:56am |
If there were an atomic blast, all that would be left would be the cockroaches, and a half-dozen people demanding to see the nirth certifikit.
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wahabicorridor Mon, Aug 17, 2009 9:25:45am |
re: #512 Locker
What can happen to a corporation other than a fine that it simply builds into it’s operating model?
I believe EVERY state has a regulatory body that oversees insurance carriers - not just health, but auto, etc.
We had problems with our auto insurance carrier. It took me 2 days to figure out exactly what happened. I wrote to the state commission and in a month the points that had been added to our record were removed, the premium was reduced to its original price, the company was fined 6 figures, and we got a letter from the president assuring us how valuable our business was. I took that letter, taped a penny to it and wrote next to it, “Look closely - this is the last penny of ours you will ever see.’ Then I changed ALL our policies to another carrier.
I, of course, don’t want to mention any names but the company’s initials are ITT Hartford.
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Locker Mon, Aug 17, 2009 9:25:50am |
re: #535 Emmmieg
If there were an atomic blast, all that would be left would be the cockroaches, and a half-dozen people demanding to see the nirth certifikit.
Emmmieg, you are gonna get me caught reading LGF at an inappropriate time. That laugh made my boss say “what’s so funny”?
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Athos Mon, Aug 17, 2009 9:26:01am |
re: #526 iceweasel
And ultimately find a new home at Newsmax…where Ruddy does the exact same thing…
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Kosh's Shadow Mon, Aug 17, 2009 9:26:07am |
Egyptian President Hosni Mubarak, several hours before his scheduled meeting on Monday with U.S. President Barack Obama, said that the Arab world will not make any gestures towards Israel until a regional treaty is signed.A Middle East peace pact must include Israeli agreement on the Arab demand for the right of millions of foreign Arabs to immigrate to Israel and the demand that the Palestinian Authority have control over all of eastern Jerusalem, Egyptian officials said.
So what’s Obama going to do? Still ask Israel to make more concessions? How long before he starts insisting Israel withdraw from all of Jerusalem and accept back all the “refugees”?
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DaddyG Mon, Aug 17, 2009 9:26:28am |
re: #535 Emmmieg
If there were an atomic blast, all that would be left would be the cockroaches, and a half-dozen people demanding to see the nirth certifikit.
Hahahahahahaha!
So you know that guy sellling bunkers in Montana? /
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kansas Mon, Aug 17, 2009 9:26:42am |
Since the Nirth thing is back. The way I read the constitution article 2 qualification for office.:
Clause 5: Qualifications for office
No person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any Person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty-five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States.
Can be interpreted in a couple of ways. One is for a natural born citizen at the time the constitution was adopted. That means no one since 1776 or so have been eligible. Or a citizen period, or a resident for 14 years. Are there court cases that have determined the candidate must be a natural born citizen. And if so, the issue is settled with the Hawaii document. Some time back I waded into this being unaware with some Philip Berg stuff. I was promptly embarrassed.
Please get over this and on to other things.
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Killgore Trout Mon, Aug 17, 2009 9:26:46am |
re: #531 CommonCents
That is not over-the-top thinking.
…And that’s why the Birch Society is making a comeback. I rest my case.
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Leonidas Hoplite Mon, Aug 17, 2009 9:26:49am |
re: #533 Cato the Elder
I wonder how people will react when they realize the insufficient supply of maybe, maybe not effective H1N1 vaccine will have to be rationed.
If Swine Flu were to become a bigger problem, wouldn’t it be to late anyway?
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Locker Mon, Aug 17, 2009 9:27:09am |
re: #536 wahabicorridor
I believe EVERY state has a regulatory body that oversees insurance carriers - not just health, but auto, etc.
We had problems with our auto insurance carrier. It took me 2 days to figure out exactly what happened. I wrote to the state commission and in a month the points that had been added to our record were removed, the premium was reduced to its original price, the company was fined 6 figures, and we got a letter from the president assuring us how valuable our business was. I took that letter, taped a penny to it and wrote next to it, “Look closely - this is the last penny of ours you will ever see.’ Then I changed ALL our policies to another carrier.
I, of course, don’t want to mention any names but the company’s initials are ITT Hartford.
That was a great story. Thankfully your state has good regulation. Nice 1.
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Kosh's Shadow Mon, Aug 17, 2009 9:27:42am |
re: #535 Emmmieg
If there were an atomic blast, all that would be left would be the cockroaches, and a half-dozen people demanding to see the nirth certifikit.
Like zombies walking around, but instead of asking for brains they’re asking for “Birt certificate”?
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yma o hyd Mon, Aug 17, 2009 9:28:09am |
Gotta go and feed Madame, who has already stalked into the kitchen …
BBIAB!
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iceweasel Mon, Aug 17, 2009 9:29:01am |
re: #538 Athos
And ultimately find a new home at Newsmax…where Ruddy does the exact same thing…
Honestly? If I had to bet I’d say the Weekly Standard, especially given its recent change of ownership.
He’s not quite downmarket enough for Newsmax…yet.
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bodrules Mon, Aug 17, 2009 9:29:07am |
re: #532 yma o hyd
As we’re talking about troops in Afghanistan, here is a sickening report:
British troops killed after commanders forced into Panther’s Claw numbers game
From that link:
‘A tactical decision to pull some British units out of Sangin, in northern Helmand province, led to a surge in Taleban attacks in and around the town in which 14 British soldiers were killed in five weeks.
The troops based in Sangin were withdrawn because they were needed to take part in Operation Panther’s Claw, the five-week offensive in central Helmand that ended on July 25’This withdrawal was necessy because Gordon Brown refused to let the Army have more men in Afghanistan. He only very begrudgingly allowed them 900 more, not the 2.000 they asked for.
Shameful. Disgusting.
I loathe that man more every day.
Aye, but we’ll have to wait nine more months before we can stick the metaphorical boot in on Old errr sorry Nu Labour.
Pity it’s taken the country 10 years to see through the spin and BS.
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Silvergirl Mon, Aug 17, 2009 9:29:28am |
re: #535 Emmmieg
If there were an atomic blast, all that would be left would be the cockroaches, and a half-dozen people demanding to see the nirth certifikit.
Redundant?
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itellu3times Mon, Aug 17, 2009 9:29:29am |
So if Obama is a sekrit Moslem, maybe he’s the Manchurian Sekrit Moslem (MSM - coincidence!?!), doesn’t even know it himself … yet. Oh, just wait until he finds out!
/
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kansas Mon, Aug 17, 2009 9:29:32am |
re: #523 Killgore Trout
Swine flue is set to make a comeback in the fall just when congress is set to vote on the healthcare bill. Coincidence?
/Alex Jones
How have previous predictions of flu outbreaks turned out? I recall they have been off.
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Mon, Aug 17, 2009 9:29:32am |
re: #545 Kosh’s Shadow
Like zombies walking around, but instead of asking for brains they’re asking for “Birt certificate”?
If you hit the zombie (no offense to our zombie) with a shovel, it might just take a hint.
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wahabicorridor Mon, Aug 17, 2009 9:29:34am |
re: #532 yma o hyd
yma, I’ve been following this as you know, but I have a question about channels of authority in the UK gov’t. Is it really Brown or is it the yahoos in MoD? (BTW, I’m writing you an email about our 2010 elections and your assessment of what might or might not be beneficial to the GOP)
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Cato the Elder Mon, Aug 17, 2009 9:29:46am |
On the subject of corporations, Intel is now claiming the EU violated its human rights in the recent judgment against the company.
Heh.
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Ward Cleaver Mon, Aug 17, 2009 9:30:26am |
re: #532 yma o hyd
As we’re talking about troops in Afghanistan, here is a sickening report:
British troops killed after commanders forced into Panther’s Claw numbers game
From that link:
‘A tactical decision to pull some British units out of Sangin, in northern Helmand province, led to a surge in Taleban attacks in and around the town in which 14 British soldiers were killed in five weeks.
The troops based in Sangin were withdrawn because they were needed to take part in Operation Panther’s Claw, the five-week offensive in central Helmand that ended on July 25’This withdrawal was necessy because Gordon Brown refused to let the Army have more men in Afghanistan. He only very begrudgingly allowed them 900 more, not the 2.000 they asked for.
Shameful. Disgusting.
I loathe that man more every day.
He’s an inept twit.
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CommonCents Mon, Aug 17, 2009 9:30:52am |
re: #542 Killgore Trout
…And that’s why the Birch Society is making a comeback. I rest my case.
So what you are saying is that politicians don’t attempt to exploit events if it benefits themselves or their policies?
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DaddyG Mon, Aug 17, 2009 9:30:59am |
re: #552 Emmmieg
If you hit the zombie (no offense to our zombie) with a shovel, it might just take a hint.
Just make sure you detach the brain from the spinal column or they will keep coming after you.
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Ward Cleaver Mon, Aug 17, 2009 9:31:23am |
re: #555 Cato the Elder
On the subject of corporations, Intel is now claiming the EU violated its human rights in the recent judgment against the company.
Heh.
Huh?
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sattv4u2 Mon, Aug 17, 2009 9:31:28am |
re: #523 Killgore Trout
Swine flue is set to make a comeback in the fall just when congress is set to vote on the healthcare bill. Coincidence?
/Alex Jones
“Never let a serious crisis go to waste. What I mean by that is it’s an opportunity to do things you couldn’t do before.”
Rahm Emmanuel
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wahabicorridor Mon, Aug 17, 2009 9:31:43am |
re: #544 Locker
That was a great story. Thankfully your state has good regulation. Nice 1.
It was egregious. I had people on tape.
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Locker Mon, Aug 17, 2009 9:31:47am |
OT but due to apparently successful yet truly annoying marketing I can’t get the following song lyrics out of my head:
Yippie i eah mini sirlion burgers.
Yippie i oh mini sirlion burgers.
Yippie i eah MINI SIRLION BURGERS!
I don’t even like Jack in the Box. Damn marketing…
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Cato the Elder Mon, Aug 17, 2009 9:31:55am |
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Leonidas Hoplite Mon, Aug 17, 2009 9:32:07am |
re: #555 Cato the Elder
On the subject of corporations, Intel is now claiming the EU violated its human rights in the recent judgment against the company.
Heh.
Well, Human Rights Watch is a joke, so it was only a matter of time before human rights became a joke.
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Athos Mon, Aug 17, 2009 9:32:27am |
re: #547 iceweasel
Even with the change of ownership, I don’t think Weekly Standard will weaken its brand to that extent. If McCarthy persists on this path - he will downmarket himself to Newsmax / World Nutter Daily levels.
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MandyManners Mon, Aug 17, 2009 9:32:38am |
re: #528 Charles
Not only is he trying to keep the Nirther issue alive by claiming there’s something Obama is hiding, he hints very openly that he thinks it might be because Obama is a sekrit Muslim.
The first sentence of the last paragraph: The point here is not to join another crackpot conspiracy, the “Obama as Muslim Manchurian Candidate” canard.
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kansas Mon, Aug 17, 2009 9:32:57am |
re: #561 sattv4u2
“Never let a serious crisis go to waste. What I mean by that is it’s an opportunity to do things you couldn’t do before.”
Rahm Emmanuel
The best crisis is one that really doesn’t exist.
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realwest Mon, Aug 17, 2009 9:32:57am |
re: #492 Athos
Hey my friend, how are ya?
“There is something around that type of execution of power that goes against the values of many Americans - a pettiness and sensitivity to criticism.”
Sorta like Richard M. Nixon?
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MandyManners Mon, Aug 17, 2009 9:33:44am |
re: #568 MandyManners
The first sentence of the last paragraph: The point here is not to join another crackpot conspiracy, the “Obama as Muslim Manchurian Candidate” canard.
Oops! The rest of the paragraph.
Obama was only ten years old when he left Indonesia; there is no known evidence of his having made an adult choice to practice Islam, and he is a professed Christian. The point is that he lies elaborately about himself and plainly doesn’t believe it’s important to be straight with the American people — to whom he is constantly making bold promises. And it makes a difference whether he was ever a Muslim. He knows that — it’s exactly why, as a candidate, he originally suggested his name and heritage would be a selling point. Obama’s religious background matters in terms of how he is perceived by Muslims (Islam rejects the notion of renouncing the faith; some Muslims, like Libyan strongman Muammar Qaddafi, make no bones about regarding Obama as a Muslim; and — as the mainstream media took pains not to report during the campaign — it is suspected that significant illegal donations poured into the Obama campaign from Islamic countries and territories). Obama’s religious background also matters in terms of how he views American policies bearing on the Muslim world.
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Spare O'Lake Mon, Aug 17, 2009 9:34:02am |
Hi there.
So what’s this I hear about the town halls and Palin having succeeded in cowing the gutless Dems into folding on the government insurance scheme and the death panels, and causing POTUS Obama to thrown the whole mess under the bus in favour of a private co-op system?
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realwest Mon, Aug 17, 2009 9:34:06am |
re: #495 midwestgak
Hi there {gak}! DeCaf? Um, no, thanks anyway!
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bodrules Mon, Aug 17, 2009 9:34:54am |
re: #554 wahabicorridor
Bit of both really, old Gordon has starved the forces of money (some say it was down to his rivalry with Blair i.e. he viewed all the actions with the armed forces as nothing more than vanity projects for Blair, so undercut them) , add in a good dose of socialist antipathy for the armed forces (carefully hidden like) and as a garnish add in the usual bumbling by the bureaucrats in the MoD - a voila one overstretched army taking casualties it needn’t as it has too few boots to put on the ground ditto with the kit it has.
Grrr.
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Charles Johnson Mon, Aug 17, 2009 9:35:00am |
re: #568 MandyManners
The first sentence of the last paragraph: The point here is not to join another crackpot conspiracy, the “Obama as Muslim Manchurian Candidate” canard.
I’m well aware that he makes all the correct noises, even as he continues to suggest the very things he says he isn’t suggesting.
I don’t know why you’re willing to accept this kind of crap from McCarthy when you would just laugh if a lefty tried a similar tactic — which they often do.
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wahabicorridor Mon, Aug 17, 2009 9:35:52am |
re: #542 Killgore Trout
…And that’s why the Birch Society is making a comeback. I rest my case.
I have some questions about that. How do we ‘know’ this to be the case? Is it that Birchers have always been out there and just didn’t know there was an organization for them? Have the enrollment numbers really gone up or did they just become savy about communications in the innernut age?
I’m not being facetious - I really don’t know what the ‘on the ground’ facts are when it comes to statements like that.
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Athos Mon, Aug 17, 2009 9:36:05am |
re: #571 realwest
Hey my friend, how are ya?
“There is something around that type of execution of power that goes against the values of many Americans - a pettiness and sensitivity to criticism.”
Sorta like Richard M. Nixon?
Hanging in there Real…and you?
yeah, a bit like Nixon…but the scary part is that far too many on the left see no issues with nixonian levels of paranoia and execution of power when they do it. What was that old quote from a Clinton staffer - ‘Power corrupts, and absolute power is pretty cool”.
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Dianna Mon, Aug 17, 2009 9:36:10am |
re: #551 kansas
How have previous predictions of flu outbreaks turned out? I recall they have been off.
Two or three years ago, the bird flu was sending folks into stock-pile mode.
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sattv4u2 Mon, Aug 17, 2009 9:37:23am |
re: #574 realwest
Heya Real,
BTW, I’ve made a $25 contribution in your name to The Jimmy Fund charity in Boston (helps kids with cancer) for our ‘bet” re: Michael Vick, even though I won the bet.
(my pleasure, in light of your ongoing issues)
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sattv4u2 Mon, Aug 17, 2009 9:38:18am |
re: #580 Dianna
Two or three years ago, the bird flu was sending folks into stock-pile mode.
I’m still waiting for the Killer Bees to destroy us
| 585 |
bodrules Mon, Aug 17, 2009 9:38:36am |
re: #580 Dianna
Two or three years ago, the bird flu was sending folks into stock-pile mode.
Wasn’t that the press getting its knickers in a twist over a science issue again? My dog has a better understanding of virology than some of the journalists reporting on it.
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wahabicorridor Mon, Aug 17, 2009 9:39:05am |
re: #547 iceweasel
Honestly? If I had to bet I’d say the Weekly Standard, especially given its recent change of ownership.
I wouldn’t bet the ranch on that. If Anschutz (sp?) is anything, he’s a business man He’s not about to destroy that brand. Kristol and Barnes would be the first out the door.
I know people who won’t read the Washington Times because ‘it’s owned by the Moonies’.
But you’d never know it by anything you read there (and it think the ownership is ‘partial’)
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Mon, Aug 17, 2009 9:40:11am |
Absolute Power—
[Link: despair.com…]
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Dianna Mon, Aug 17, 2009 9:40:54am |
re: #578 wahabicorridor
I have some questions about that. How do we ‘know’ this to be the case? Is it that Birchers have always been out there and just didn’t know there was an organization for them? Have the enrollment numbers really gone up or did they just become savy about communications in the innernut age?
I’m not being facetious - I really don’t know what the ‘on the ground’ facts are when it comes to statements like that.
They’ve managed to confuse people who didn’t know the history by calling themselves “The Constitution Party.” They have toned down a lot of the wilder rhetoric, and their pamphlets don’t instantly scream about the Federal Reserve being illegal.
KT is right that they have managed a resurgence.
What he’s not mentioning is that they’re surging because they’re pretending they’re not nuts. When people hear an unreconstructed Bircher, they head for the exits.
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realwest Mon, Aug 17, 2009 9:42:33am |
re: #536 wahabicorridor
ROTFL! Hi wahabi! That’s true in NYState also (or at least it was when I last checked) in North Carolina the state insurance law specifically states that pre-existing conditions can not form a basis or a part of a basis for terminating insurance.
| 590 |
Kosh's Shadow Mon, Aug 17, 2009 9:43:14am |
You can send a text message to another planet (which may or may not have life)
“Help, please get me away from the crazies here”
Think they’ll come?
(come and take me away?)
///
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wahabicorridor Mon, Aug 17, 2009 9:44:11am |
re: #575 bodrules
I remember at the beginning of the Iraq war watching a BBC report about some young woman confronting Tony Blair in tears. “Why are you doing this? What have you done to us?” And he just looked on with a mixture of bewilderment and contempt. “Winston, I could use a line or two right about now”.
Withholding funding for an unpopular war might seem politically smart, but as someone who grew up during Vietnam and lost friends there, I can tell you the price to be paid is incalculable.
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MandyManners Mon, Aug 17, 2009 9:44:26am |
re: #576 Charles
I’m well aware that he makes all the correct noises, even as he continues to suggest the very things he says he isn’t suggesting.
I don’t know why you’re willing to accept this kind of crap from McCarthy when you would just laugh if a lefty tried a similar tactic — which they often do.
I don’t “accept” it. I am just examining what he’s written. I do wonder about what he and others* have said about how he has used his background—including his name—backed away from it and then brought it back up again.
*That does not include Gellar.
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Charles Johnson Mon, Aug 17, 2009 9:44:49am |
re: #578 wahabicorridor
I have some questions about that. How do we ‘know’ this to be the case? Is it that Birchers have always been out there and just didn’t know there was an organization for them? Have the enrollment numbers really gone up or did they just become savy about communications in the innernut age?
I’m not being facetious - I really don’t know what the ‘on the ground’ facts are when it comes to statements like that.
Yes, the John Birch Society is definitely making a comeback, thanks to help from Ron Paul (who gave the keynote speech at their anniversary meeting recently) and Glenn Beck (who promotes them on his radio show pretty openly).
Here’s a recent LGF post on the return of the Birch Society:
[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com…]
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Kenneth Mon, Aug 17, 2009 9:45:39am |
re: #452 SasquatchOnSteroids
The librarian at our local one could stop a clock with her books.
Is this a slutty librarian thread or are we through talking about Sarah Palin?
| 595 |
wahabicorridor Mon, Aug 17, 2009 9:46:09am |
re: #588 Dianna
Hi there, long time to talk to!
What he’s not mentioning is that they’re surging because they’re pretending they’re not nuts. When people hear an unreconstructed Bircher, they head for the exits.
Well, if THAT’S the case, is it then correct to state that the Birchers are resurgent?
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Athos Mon, Aug 17, 2009 9:46:26am |
re: #588 Dianna
What he’s not mentioning is that they’re surging because they’re pretending they’re not nuts. When people hear an unreconstructed Bircher, they head for the exits.
They are also surging (to an extent) because far too many are not shining a light on their shallow efforts to be ‘mainstream’.
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Spare O'Lake Mon, Aug 17, 2009 9:48:17am |
re: #593 Charles
Yes, the John Birch Society is definitely making a comeback, thanks to help from Ron Paul (who gave the keynote speech at their anniversary meeting recently) and Glenn Beck (who promotes them on his radio show pretty openly).
Here’s a recent LGF post on the return of the Birch Society:
[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com…]
Racism and bigotry are alive and well.
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debutaunt Mon, Aug 17, 2009 9:48:43am |
re: #523 Killgore Trout
Swine flue is set to make a comeback in the fall just when congress is set to vote on the healthcare bill. Coincidence?
/Alex Jones
I don’t have a pig in the fight killgore, but politicians making time adjustments for advantage, isn’t surprising at all.
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Dianna Mon, Aug 17, 2009 9:50:05am |
re: #595 wahabicorridor
Hi there, long time to talk to!
Well, if THAT’S the case, is it then correct to state that the Birchers are resurgent?
Yes, it is.
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Walter L. Newton Mon, Aug 17, 2009 9:51:24am |
re: #599 debutaunt
I don’t have a pig in the fight killgore, but politicians making time adjustments for advantage, isn’t surprising at all.
Well it is if you want to assume that ever move a politician makes is some sort of scare tactic. In that case, all we will ever hear from Washington is… “Boo!”
It really all depends on how you look at it.
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realwest Mon, Aug 17, 2009 9:52:07am |
re: #582 sattv4u2
Thank you very much. That was a very kind thing to do.
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Dianna Mon, Aug 17, 2009 9:52:26am |
re: #596 Athos
They are also surging (to an extent) because far too many are not shining a light on their shallow efforts to be ‘mainstream’.
All too true.
But lately, the press isn’t helpful. If you want to know far too much about insignificant people, the press is great. If you want to know what a political party is up to…good luck.
I found out the Birchers were calling themselves the Constitution Party only because I picked up a pamphlet, and recognized exactly what it was, even though the language had been distinctly toned down.
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wahabicorridor Mon, Aug 17, 2009 9:52:45am |
re: #593 Charles
Oh my goodness, I remember reading that piece when the NYT first published it, thanks for the reminder.
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iceweasel Mon, Aug 17, 2009 9:53:15am |
re: #586 wahabicorridor
I wouldn’t bet the ranch on that. If Anschutz (sp?) is anything, he’s a business man He’s not about to destroy that brand. Kristol and Barnes would be the first out the door.
I know people who won’t read the Washington Times because ‘it’s owned by the Moonies’.
But you’d never know it by anything you read there (and it think the ownership is ‘partial’)
You could be right. Really, we have to wait and see what the WS does. I wouldn’t be surprised to see it lurch in the the direction of creationism and some other crackpot editorial stances though.
You’re also definitely right about the ownership of the WT not bleeding through (in terms of religion), but I consider the WT to be highly suspect in various ways. They’ve published some very questionable things. I know LGF has called them out at least once before for lying.
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realwest Mon, Aug 17, 2009 9:54:23am |
re: #591 wahabicorridor
“Withholding funding for an unpopular war might seem politically smart, but as someone who grew up during Vietnam and lost friends there, I can tell you the price to be paid is incalculable.”
And ongoing.
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JHW Mon, Aug 17, 2009 9:55:22am |
re: #332 buzzsawmonkey
re: #350 Occasional Reader
Late to thread, but I have just read a superb book , The History of an Obsession that reinforces buzz’ point about post-war antisemitism in Europe, Eastern Europe in particular, Poland and Romania had some particularly bad examples. I found it very interesting that wherever the Italian Army was stationed they actively and forcibly protected the Jews in their zone of control. Their zone was a sanctuary , at least till Mussolini fell and Italians in general seem to have had very little sympathy for any antisemitic measures, but the contrary.
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sattv4u2 Mon, Aug 17, 2009 9:58:05am |
re: #602 realwest
Thank you very much. That was a very kind thing to do.
My pleasure, my freind
Your job is to be well!
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Spare O'Lake Mon, Aug 17, 2009 9:58:21am |
re: #606 realwest
“Withholding funding for an unpopular war might seem politically smart, but as someone who grew up during Vietnam and lost friends there, I can tell you the price to be paid is incalculable.”
And ongoing.
1000 percent correct.
But unfortunately the gutless Dems and Obama govern by polls.
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realwest Mon, Aug 17, 2009 9:59:50am |
Well y’all it’s been interesting, but I’m back to doing chores again.
Hope you all have a great day and that I get the chance to see you all down the road.
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Athos Mon, Aug 17, 2009 10:02:39am |
re: #603 Dianna
I don’t expect the majority of the present MSM to be very helpful in this effort - it will fall upon each of us individually in our communities and for bloggers like Charles to shine the light. The majority of the MSM, in order to further the agenda they are sympathetic to, prefer to see these people represent the opposition so they can paint all the right with the same broad brush. Others, like Beck and Napolitano, will use the editorial freedom they have to promote these groups so that they can try to become mainstream and run their agenda - which is as antithesis to core US values as the hard left is.
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wahabicorridor Mon, Aug 17, 2009 10:06:56am |
re: #605 iceweasel
They’ve published some very questionable things. I know LGF has called them out at least once before for lying.
Everyone makes mistakes, but I think their track record is better than most. Hell, I remember during the Clinton admin, the WSJ under Robt. Bartley wrote editorials on a regular basis accusing Clinton of running drugs out of Mena airport.
Did you see the Washington Times nail NYT today about their libel of the WaTimes?
NYT had to publish a correction, too
American Thinker has a piece on it.
One other interesting aspect of the latest Times fiasco is the lead author of the death panel story: Jim Rutenberg. There is perhaps no other [New York] Times “news writer” who has proven himself so willing and able to prostrate himself in service to the political agenda of the New York Times. Rutenberg was the lead author for another front page New York Times whopper in 2008 — a fake story that slimed John McCain, insinuating that he had an affair with lobbyist Vicki Iselin, and was no more than your basic Congressional influence peddler.
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wahabicorridor Mon, Aug 17, 2009 10:09:56am |
re: #607 JHW
re: #350 Occasional Reader
Late to thread, but I have just read a superb book , The History of an Obsession that reinforces buzz’ point about post-war antisemitism in Europe, Eastern Europe in particular, Poland and Romania had some particularly bad examples. I found it very interesting that wherever the Italian Army was stationed they actively and forcibly protected the Jews in their zone of control. Their zone was a sanctuary , at least till Mussolini fell and Italians in general seem to have had very little sympathy for any antisemitic measures, but the contrary.
Anti-semitism was never part of Mussolini’s nationalism. Ever. It’s one of the reasons he and Hitler never got along.
I know of one story where the Italians actually pointed their guns at Germans trying to load Italian Jews onto trains. The Germans backed off (but managed to get most of them later, unfortunately)
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JHW Mon, Aug 17, 2009 10:14:49am |
re: #613 wahabicorridor
Yes, the book mentioned dozens of those incidents concerning the Italian army. It’s kind of ironic, a lot of people make fun of them for their WW2 military performance, but it just shows their innate sense of decency they had no heart for an evil cause.
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MandyManners Mon, Aug 17, 2009 10:17:25am |
re: #612 wahabicorridor
Rutenberg is the slime that slime calls “slime”.
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Ed_Gibbon Mon, Aug 17, 2009 10:28:45am |
re: #69 laZardo
True, but how does MSNBC continue to get a pass for it’s “coverage”?
1) The ED Show…”They want him (Obama) to be shot!!!” It’s doesn’t even make tactical sense. Like (intentionally) hitting a batter with the bases loaded
2) The insufferably arrogant and uber confrontational (and far left) Lawrence O’Donnell
3) Keith’s “Countdown” his “Worst person in the world” stolen directly from Hunter S Thompson
4) Rachel Maddow
Granted their ratings are a fraction of FOX, but can you imagine a
line-up more biased than that?
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Mike Nargizian Mon, Aug 17, 2009 3:50:26pm |
Napolitano -
“George Bush has been the worst Constitutional President since Lincoln”
Is the implication there that Lincoln was a horrible President by way of the Constitution?
If so is the implication -
a) A repetition that the Civil War was a “War of Aggression”?
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