Those aren't the protest signs I knew.
/

Ringo, thanks again for posting this retrospective - I have to post and Link to you and Z both later this week.

Look the moon bats who did this are not to be excused. However, they did not have the backing of a major network constantly pimping that message openly, like Fox does in the case of Obama. The moonbats were not carrying guns to Town Halls. The moonbats did not have the same sort of mainstream legitimatization that we are seeing from the right for their whack jobs.

I do not excuse any of this. However, the moonbats were always just moonbats to the average Dem. The Nrithers and the Deathers and the other nutroots are becoming the average GOP.

Please take notes on this lesson in demonization if you're interested in mirroring these tactics.

Amazing how something that was distinctly tacky and gross ten years ago is...still distinctly tacky and gross.

Time doth not diminish their slime, nor age subtract from their crassness.

Nope, not ringing a bell, sorry.

/MSM

They're comparing the Towers to the Reich stag?

Not only are you repellent, you fail. F for you in history, bucko.

Bush was selected, not anointed. Big difference.
///

Thanks Charles!

I've actually dug up quite a few more nazi / Bush images from my collection.

I'll update my post later tonight.

The strangest thing of all, -- or perhaps not so strange? Some of the people with the "Bushitler" signs then are some of the people with the "Obama/Hitler" signs now.

Ringo got lizardlanched.

Who can forget Susan Roesgen of CNN, who lost her journalistic cool and went ballistic while criticizing some Tea Party protesters in 2009, but had no problem with a depiction of Bush as a "Hitler/Devil" back in 2006:

re: #3 LudwigVanQuixote

Look the moon bats who did this are not to be excused. However, they did not have the backing of a major network constantly pimping that message openly, like Fox does in the case of Obama. The moonbats were not carrying guns to Town Halls.

That's the real point. The kinds of wingnuts who are doing it now are the same people who like to brag about their gun collections, and lots of them are muttering darkly about constitutional rights and watering the tree of liberty, etc.

I hate to say it but it seems like just a matter of time until some kind of violent incident, when we have idiots showing up to presidential appearances proudly carrying loaded weapons.

re: #7 EmmmieG

They're comparing the Towers to the Reich stag?

Not only are you repellent, you fail. F for you in history, bucko.

Reich Stag... Imperial Deer? Was Darth Cheney there with a rifle?

//

re: #3 LudwigVanQuixote

Look the moon bats who did this are not to be excused. However, they did not have the backing of a major network constantly pimping that message openly, like Fox does in the case of Obama. The moonbats were not carrying guns to Town Halls. The moonbats did not have the same sort of mainstream legitimatization that we are seeing from the right for their whack jobs.

I do not excuse any of this. However, the moonbats were always just moonbats to the average Dem. The Nrithers and the Deathers and the other nutroots are becoming the average GOP.

Are you kidding? I hope you are kidding? With the exception of FOXNews, almost the entire MSM was suffering from some form of BDS. So was most of the Democrat Caucus in Congress...including the leadership. Obama is bringing out loonies of another genre, but so far, nothing compared to the tsunami of hatred and idiocy that GWB seemed to generate.

re: #3 LudwigVanQuixote

Look the moon bats who did this are not to be excused. However, they did not have the backing of a major network constantly pimping that message openly, like Fox does in the case of Obama. The moonbats were not carrying guns to Town Halls. The moonbats did not have the same sort of mainstream legitimatization that we are seeing from the right for their whack jobs.

I do not excuse any of this. However, the moonbats were always just moonbats to the average Dem. The Nrithers and the Deathers and the other nutroots are becoming the average GOP.

Thanks for clearing that all up for me. I didn't think that MSNBC or AIR AMERICA or KNUS (local progressive talk station OWNED by Clear Channel) or the NATION or any of those other sources of progressive support had anything to do with supporting these people.

Whew.

I agree with Ludwig's point that the moonbats at these demonstrations never rose to the level of "scary." More pathetic. Laughable. Schtoopid.

The guys with loaded guns are a little scarier.

re: #18 buzzsawmonkey

Keep the same sign! Just peel and stick the new face!

Send for your Protest Update Kit™ today!

Hi! I'm Billy Mays!!

re: #16 Desert Dog

Are you kidding? I hope you are kidding? With the exception of FOXNews, almost the entire MSM was suffering from some form of BDS. So was most of the Democrat Caucus in Congress...including the leadership. Obama is bringing out loonies of another genre, but so far, nothing compared to the tsunami of hatred and idiocy that GWB seemed to generate.

Also, is it the the vast right-wing conspiracy who is beating up and intimidating people when they try to participate in democracy? Hmmm...let's see, who exactly was that who ACTUALLY beat the crap out of that conservative...

That was totally different. That was dissent, which is patriotic. This new stuff is fascist. Thank goodness those folks yelling aren't in power. Fascists.

/// moonbats

re: #16 Desert Dog

Are you kidding? I hope you are kidding? With the exception of FOXNews, almost the entire MSM was suffering from some form of BDS. So was most of the Democrat Caucus in Congress...including the leadership. Obama is bringing out loonies of another genre, but so far, nothing compared to the tsunami of hatred and idiocy that GWB seemed to generate.

Fox is a major media outlet that is doing it's very best to get this message out.

The sorts of moonbats that you see in these pictures mostly have little publications from little presses to spread their garbage in the form of pamphlets and posters with the occasional "academic" book from some nutroots lefty professor.

There is a giant difference.

re: #3 LudwigVanQuixote

sorry but BDS really was main line donk not some fringe i mean i stopped watching late nite t.v. because of the BDS

re: #19 Charles

I agree with Ludwig's point that the moonbats at these demonstrations never rose to the level of "scary." More pathetic. Laughable. Schtoopid.

The guys with loaded guns are a little scarier.

The guns guys are getting scary, but how many of those have we seen? But, anytime there was a gathering of any size with this other crowd, you saw these posters and you could see the hatred in these peoples eyes. I am not sure if we have seen anything close to that with these right wing nutjobs...I hope we never do.

re: #19 Charles

I agree with Ludwig's point that the moonbats at these demonstrations never rose to the level of "scary." More pathetic. Laughable. Schtoopid.

The guys with loaded guns are a little scarier.

There was only one I recall who was scary, he made threats against Cheney and Bush back then, but... he was from the Right. You will probably recognize who I"m talking about when I say "he went on patrol"...

re: #19 Charles

I agree with Ludwig's point that the moonbats at these demonstrations never rose to the level of "scary." More pathetic. Laughable. Schtoopid.

The guys with loaded guns are a little scarier.

A guy was arrested with a gun outside the White House when Bush was president. They occasionally carried/carry guns too.

re: #15 ArchangelMichael

I think I was just betrayed by my spell checker.

Bad spell checker! Bad!

I may have to do a retrospective on a retrospective...the left has been hitting Israeli pols with this crap for decades.

It's all a tactic.

It worked (and works) against Israel, and the International Left just shifted their sights onto Bush.

re: #25 Desert Dog

The guns guys are getting scary, but how many of those have we seen? But, anytime there was a gathering of any size with this other crowd, you saw these posters and you could see the hatred in these peoples eyes. I am not sure if we have seen anything close to that with these right wing nutjobs...I hope we never do.

By my informal count, I think there have been four reported incidents now.

re: #9 Ringo the Gringo

Thanks Charles!

I've actually dug up quite a few more nazi / Bush images from my collection.

I'll update my post later tonight.

Thank you, Ringo.

re: #24 yochanan

sorry but BDS really was main line donk not some fringe i mean i stopped watching late nite t.v. because of the BDS

Sorry, but there is a big difference between BDS legitimatized on CNN in veiled language - mixed in with a large amount of legitimate criticism, and being a Nirther, a Deather, a Bircher or a gun toting crazy being openly pimped on Fox.

re: #19 Charles

I agree with Ludwig's point that the moonbats at these demonstrations never rose to the level of "scary." More pathetic. Laughable. Schtoopid.

The guys with loaded guns are a little scarier.

I agree...(has there been more than one guy with a loaded gun?)

...Although some of the anti-Israel demonstrations can be a bit scary.

There are loons on both sides, that is certain. Nonetheless, I think the real point is that focusing on anti-Obama nuts and pointing out the imagery that they use is hypocritical considering they gave the same kind of behavior a pass when it was directed at Bush.

Also, I don't think it's fair to gun owners to hint that they are whack jobs or intimate that they are more prone to violence than anyone else. I think you'll see that citizens who legally carry are more prone to be law-abiding than the general populace.

From the Hoover Institution at Stanford University

re: #29 Ben Hur

it wasn't even new then for the left i remember that the left called 4 american presidents fascist, nazi or snicklegruber
3 republicans and 1 democrat

this is just funny to see the left cry about a few fools at a demo calling obama some like that they been doing it for years.

re: #14 Charles

That's the real point. The kinds of wingnuts who are doing it now are the same people who like to brag about their gun collections, and lots of them are muttering darkly about constitutional rights and watering the tree of liberty, etc.

I hate to say it but it seems like just a matter of time until some kind of violent incident, when we have idiots showing up to presidential appearances proudly carrying loaded weapons.

Do you think at if the Left hadn't used the Bushitler,, etc as much as they did the last eight years, you'd be seeing the same thing now?

Nazi and Hitler rhetoric is nauseating, from anyone. Demonizing other human beings, imo, is very detrimental to our political discourse. If you wave a Hitler sign in my face, be you man, woman or child, red blue or purple you will be very lucky if your sign isn't confiscated and re-planted... rectally.

re: #3 LudwigVanQuixote

Look the moon bats who did this are not to be excused. However, they did not have the backing of a major network constantly pimping that message openly, like Fox does in the case of Obama. The moonbats were not carrying guns to Town Halls. The moonbats did not have the same sort of mainstream legitimatization that we are seeing from the right for their whack jobs.

I do not excuse any of this. However, the moonbats were always just moonbats to the average Dem. The Nrithers and the Deathers and the other nutroots are becoming the average GOP.

Pretty broad brush you paint with there.
2 incidents of carrying guns to Obama rallies constitutes full support of those actions by the GOP?
You have provided an example of what Charles is talking about here, using a blinkered perspective to push the nutjobs into the definition of the whole, while ignoring that the opposition was doing very similar things not that long ago.

re: #19 Charles

I found the level of frothing hatred quite frightening.

Um...btw, is it now off-limits to talk about my pretty Kimber?

re: #37 Ben Hur

Do you think at if the Left hadn't used the Bushitler,, etc as much as they did the last eight years, you'd be seeing the same thing now?

Good question.

I don't know the answer.

This blog entry serves as a stark reminder of the main difference between the far left and the far right. Mainly that the left has better graphic artists.

re: #23 LudwigVanQuixote

Fox is a major media outlet that is doing it's very best to get this message out.

The sorts of moonbats that you see in these pictures mostly have little publications from little presses to spread their garbage in the form of pamphlets and posters with the occasional "academic" book from some nutroots lefty professor.

There is a giant difference.

Yes, but not the difference you are suggesting. FOX is getting some of these people all frothy, but so far, it is a small group of freaks we've seen. When we get 10,000 of them all carrying Obama = Hitler and chanting for his doom, you may be right. Are you forgetting the endless drumbeat from MSNBC, NYT, et al about how stupid, evil and dangerous Bush was.

What is different is the tone, perhaps. But, in sheer numbers, BDS is was/is a pandemic of hatred and stupidity. ODS is a localized and marginal threat.

Hitler is in a class by himself. It should stay that way.

re: #3 LudwigVanQuixote

Look the moon bats who did this are not to be excused. However, they did not have the backing of a major network constantly pimping that message openly, like Fox does in the case of Obama. The moonbats were not carrying guns to Town Halls. The moonbats did not have the same sort of mainstream legitimatization that we are seeing from the right for their whack jobs.

I do not excuse any of this. However, the moonbats were always just moonbats to the average Dem. The Nrithers and the Deathers and the other nutroots are becoming the average GOP.

Never ever has the Media traded it's integrity so completely as in the case of Obama, tingly legs, slobbering fawning & outright support.
Fox News is one outlet, but there may be a reason that they clobber the competition.

re: #39 CyanSnowHawk

Pretty broad brush you paint with there.
2 incidents of carrying guns to Obama rallies constitutes full support of those actions by the GOP?
You have provided an example of what Charles is talking about here, using a blinkered perspective to push the nutjobs into the definition of the whole, while ignoring that the opposition was doing very similar things not that long ago.

And that tactic is new? Happens all the time.

frankly i can find pics of nixon, reagan, both bushs and even lbj being called nazi, fascist or even snicklegruber.

even saw a vedio of madame speaker supporting leftist disruptions.

re: #3 LudwigVanQuixote

Not even close to reality.

Take your meds.

BDS is still alive and well over here in Germany. No one, abso-fucking-lutely no one sees one grain of good in Bush.
THAT'S how thoroughly the left has had an effect on an entire populace.
Come to think of it, remember the few state-visits Bush did to Germany. Whole towns had to be sealed off, in case someone tried something stupid on him.
/// That is the little danger the left and their derangement poses ///

re: #34 Ringo the Gringo

I agree...(has there been more than one guy with a loaded gun?)

...Although some of the anti-Israel demonstrations can be a bit scary.

I agree, the destroy Israel protests with Rage Boy et al were the scariest images.

re: #14 Charles

That's the real point. The kinds of wingnuts who are doing it now are the same people who like to brag about their gun collections, and lots of them are muttering darkly about constitutional rights and watering the tree of liberty, etc.

I hate to say it but it seems like just a matter of time until some kind of violent incident, when we have idiots showing up to presidential appearances proudly carrying loaded weapons.

Yep. When moonbats threaten violent revolution, they mean throwing feces at cops or, perhaps, the occasional assault on someone who objects to their flag-burning and petty vandalism. Sometimes the really hard cases fantasize about burglarizing national guard armories to steal weapons they would have no idea how to use.

When the wingnuts threaten violent revolution, otoh, it's best to pay attention. Billions of rounds of ammunition have been hoarded in this country just since January. I don't think we will find much of it in the basement of the Berkeley student union.

re: #35 imploder

Also, I don't think it's fair to gun owners to hint that they are whack jobs or intimate that they are more prone to violence than anyone else.

How about those who bring guns to the place where the President is appearing? Can I call them hint that they are whack jobs?

re: #33 LudwigVanQuixote

So "veiled language" makes it all right.

Got it!

re: #17 Walter L. Newton

Thanks for clearing that all up for me. I didn't think that MSNBC or AIR AMERICA or KNUS (local progressive talk station OWNED by Clear Channel) or the NATION or any of those other sources of progressive support had anything to do with supporting these people.

Whew.

Did you see the recent Newsweak with the "Last Days of Bush/Cheney" cover? A couple of evil-lookin' dudes, I'll tell ya. The mainstream news media abetted Bush hate all the way, and they continue to promote it to this day.

re: #24 yochanan

sorry but BDS really was main line donk not some fringe i mean i stopped watching late nite t.v. because of the BDS

BDS

re: #30 Charles

By my informal count, I think there have been four reported incidents now.

The Brady Campaign lists 5 incidents. Today's rally had at least 3 guns.

re: #31 buzzsawmonkey

One thing, though, Ludwig--there are an awful lot of nutroots lefty professors, and people who read the nutroots lefty professors' books and took them seriously, working in the current administration.

So, while you are correct that there is a big difference between academic drivel and a big network, it's the readers of the academic drivel who happen to actually be running the country now.

Look, I am absolutely not keen on any number of things Obama does. However, that is immaterial to the fact that this post is comparing far left wackjobs to the far left ones.

The bottom line is that the far left whackjobs in these pictures were seen as fringe by the average Dem. They were also not bringing guns to town hall meetings or being pimped by a major network.

I am not supporting the moonbats. I am saying that the the GOP is pimping hysteria on a national scale. I am saying that you could take the absolute worst reporting of the MSM and they still did not legitimatize the extremeness of the whacko left nearly as much as Fox and Rush and others legitimatize whack righties who are just as whack and far more belligerent.

re: #40 Dianna

I found the level of frothing hatred quite frightening.

Um...btw, is it now off-limits to talk about my pretty Kimber?

I hope you are talking about a pistol. I have had my eye on Kimber Eclipse .45 auto for some time but my wife won't raise my allowance.

Admittedly the left when it protested Bush was so laughably infected with BDS that it was hard to take it serious. Nonetheless, I for one thought the shoe thrower in Iraq was a genuinely dangerous act and the left reacted with undisguised glee.

re: #52 wrenchwench

How about those who bring guns to the place where the President is appearing? Can I call them hint that they are whack jobs?

But this is on its face a crime. Nothing more, nothing less. The criminals who did it got arrested. They were criminals. There is no legal carry in the vicinity of the president, or in DC for that matter.

I seem to recall a couple of people approaching the White House while Bush resided there and they were armed. It's simply criminal behavior.

re: #35 imploder

I agree with you about gun owners. It is still not smart to bring a gun anywhere near the POTUS. However, I think the guy that brought the gun didn't actually break a law. That will probably change (thanks to him), but I very much agree with you that labeling gun owners as whack jobs is unfair and is the result of years of false propaganda against them.

re: #30 Charles

By my informal count, I think there have been four reported incidents now.

These guys bringing guns are there because of FOXNews? I would say that these guys are copying the other guy from NH. As I recall, he was a proud supporter of Ron Paul. Unfortuntately, I am guessing we will see more and more of this now...the cops cannot arrest them under current laws as long as they have permits and are carrying according to the local law. THAT is scary for sure. I am all for 2nd Amendment rights, but bringing a gun to a political rally is not a good thing to do.

This from the LA Times

[Link: latimesblogs.latimes.com...]

violence at the GOP convention in Mpls

it doesn't mention the police raid on a St. Paul apt a few days earlier that, among other things, found "urine bombs" intended to be thrown at police officers.

re: #43 Desert Dog

Yes, but not the difference you are suggesting. FOX is getting some of these people all frothy, but so far, it is a small group of freaks we've seen. When we get 10,000 of them all carrying Obama = Hitler and chanting for his doom, you may be right. Are you forgetting the endless drumbeat from MSNBC, NYT, et al about how stupid, evil and dangerous Bush was.

What is different is the tone, perhaps. But, in sheer numbers, BDS is was/is a pandemic of hatred and stupidity. ODS is a localized and marginal threat.

Fox has BECK and other commentators in their employ spreading this crap.

Chris Mathews in taking out gun guy #1, didn't take him out so much as make platitudes to the second amendment while giving the guy time to sound reasonable.

How can you not say it is a difference?

re: #50 nikis-knight

I agree, the destroy Israel protests with Rage Boy et al were the scariest images.

Try having it across the street from you in Berkeley. Or in downtown San Francisco. Zombie has photos and videos of both.

re: #57 LudwigVanQuixote

Pimf... comparing far left to far right.

re: #54 kynna

Did you see the recent Newsweak with the "Last Days of Bush/Cheney" cover? A couple of evil-lookin' dudes, I'll tell ya. The mainstream news media abetted Bush hate all the way, and they continue to promote it to this day.

Hate is hate, in my opinion. And one way or another it festers. So progressives don't tend to show up with weapons at public gatherings, good for that.

But, we got the eco-nuts (who burn resorts in Colorado), and the animal nuts (who destroy scientific labs) and the greenpeace nuts (who ram ships)... like I say, hate is hate.

I don't want to see it on any side.

re: #56 Killgore Trout

The Brady Campaign lists 5 incidents. Today's rally had at least 3 guns.

I don't take anything the Brady Institute says at face value. If you didn't know, they have a pretty serious axe to grind...

re: #52 wrenchwench

How about those who bring guns to the place where the President is appearing? Can I call them hint that they are whack jobs?

You sure can! Because they are.

Ugh. It gets worse...
Man carrying assault weapon attends Obama protest

About a dozen people carrying guns, including one with a military-style rifle, milled among protesters outside the convention center where President Barack Obama was giving a speech Monday — the latest incidents in which protesters have openly displayed firearms near the president.

Gun-rights advocates say they're exercising their constitutional right to bear arms and protest, while those who argue for more gun control say it could be a disaster waiting to happen.

Phoenix police said the gun-toters at Monday's event, including the man carrying an AR-15 semi-automatic rifle slung over his shoulder, didn't need permits. No crimes were committed, and no one was arrested.

The man with the rifle declined to be identified but told The Arizona Republic that he was carrying the assault weapon because he could. "In Arizona, I still have some freedoms," he said.

Phoenix police Detective J. Oliver, who was monitoring the man at the downtown protest, said police also wanted to make sure no one decided to harm him.

"Just by his presence and people seeing the rifle and people knowing the president was in town, it sparked a lot of emotions," Oliver said. "We were keeping peace on both ends."

re: #49 callahan23

BDS is still alive and well over here in Germany. No one, abso-fucking-lutely no one sees one grain of good in Bush.
THAT'S how thoroughly the left has had an effect on an entire populace.
Come to think of it, remember the few state-visits Bush did to Germany. Whole towns had to be sealed off, in case someone tried something stupid on him.
/// That is the little danger the left and their derangement poses ///

When I lived over seas and relied on European news outlets, I was shocked at the level of madness and violence (and imagery) that was levelled at Clinton.

That wasn't covered as extensively in the US at the time. They wrote it off as typical euroleftist antics.

Seattle riots happened on Clintons watch. The anti-Bush movement was not some new phenomenon, just that they MSM had a common enemy.

re: #58 Locker

I have an Eclipse II. It shoots incredibly well, and it's very, very pretty.

re: #54 kynna

Did you see the recent Newsweak with the "Last Days of Bush/Cheney" cover? A couple of evil-lookin' dudes, I'll tell ya. The mainstream news media abetted Bush hate all the way, and they continue to promote it to this day.

The Bush hatred whipped up by the MSM was fanatical & imo dangerous.
On the other hand the drooling over Obama approaches nauseating proportions.
Did you ever hear Leno or Letterman tell one insulting joke about Obama?

re: #30 Charles

By my informal count, I think there have been four reported incidents now.

I think there are going to be a lot more. Each time someone does this, it's going to encourage someone else to do it. And I agree with you, if this keeps up, it seems like only a matter of time until someone gets shot, one way or another.

re: #53 Dianna

So "veiled language" makes it all right.

Got it!

So actually coming out and saying it, while giving these people an open advertisement is a big difference. Also note the mixed with legitimate criticism part.

Pulling out Nirther and Deather crap is not a legitimate criticism of Obama. Saying that Bush dropped the ball on Katrina was.

re: #62 Desert Dog

These guys bringing guns are there because of FOXNews? I would say that these guys are copying the other guy from NH. As I recall, he was a proud supporter of Ron Paul. Unfortuntately, I am guessing we will see more and more of this now...the cops cannot arrest them under current laws as long as they have permits and are carrying according to the local law. THAT is scary for sure. I am all for 2nd Amendment rights, but bringing a gun to a political rally is not a good thing to do.

I've seen many posts at Free Republic openly encouraging people to bring weapons to town hall meetings.

I can't get Ringo's link. Are we overloading the server?

[Link: www.ringospictures.com...]

re: #68 imploder

I don't take anything the Brady Institute says at face value. If you didn't know, they have a pretty serious axe to grind...

Yeah, He's a little pissed off over being shot in the head during a presidential assassination attempt.

re: #51 Shiplord Kirel

The animal rights whacko who murdered a policeman and posted about it at indymedia doesn't ring a bell?

Well Charles, so much for palling up to the left. Now your going to be racist again.

/

Thumbs up to the most honest blogger on the web.

re: #46 Walter L. Newton

And that tactic is new? Happens all the time.

I'm not used to seeing it from Ludwig, but perhaps my perception is blinkered as well.

WHen the left does it they (agian the MSM and academia) feel as if they're recapturing some of their glory days from the 60s and 70s, and it's promoted that way in unis, etc.

When the right protests, the left MSM sees hammers marching in lockstep.

There is no reason to carry a gun around a Presidential appearance unless your purpose is to suggest a threat.

re: #72 Dianna

I have an Eclipse II. It shoots incredibly well, and it's very, very pretty.

It's certainly beautiful, but it doesn't look like it would shoot so well.

re: #72 Dianna

I have an Eclipse II. It shoots incredibly well, and it's very, very pretty.

Which finish did you choose?

Anyone--left side, right side--who would spread violence and unrest in this country is not your friend.

re: #60 imploder

But this is on its face a crime. Nothing more, nothing less. The criminals who did it got arrested. They were criminals. There is no legal carry in the vicinity of the president, or in DC for that matter.

I seem to recall a couple of people approaching the White House while Bush resided there and they were armed. It's simply criminal behavior.

Ooops, see the link in Killgore's #70:

Phoenix police said the gun-toters at Monday's event, including the man carrying an AR-15 semi-automatic rifle slung over his shoulder, didn't need permits. No crimes were committed, and no one was arrested.

re: #82 CyanSnowHawk

I'm not used to seeing it from Ludwig, but perhaps my perception is blinkered as well.

I was not referring to anyone in particular. I should have made myself clearer.

re: #78 Walter L. Newton

Yes, I'm getting slammed. Try again in 20 minutes or so.

re: #64 LudwigVanQuixote

Fox has BECK and other commentators in their employ spreading this crap.

Chris Mathews in taking out gun guy #1, didn't take him out so much as make platitudes to the second amendment while giving the guy time to sound reasonable.

How can you not say it is a difference?

I will grant you that Fox is spewing forth on this issue, but not that BDS was somehow milder and nothing to worry about. It was much, much worse than what we are seeing now.

re: #78 Walter L. Newton

I can't get Ringo's link. Are we overloading the server?

[Link: www.ringospictures.com...]

The funeral for the hamsters will be held at 8.

re: #19 Charles

I agree with Ludwig's point that the moonbats at these demonstrations never rose to the level of "scary." More pathetic. Laughable. Schtoopid.

The guys with loaded guns are a little scarier.

Interesting how that gets +4 and your other comment that agreed with some of what I said gets +6 while I got -12... From some of the same people...

re: #77 Charles

I've seen many posts at Free Republic openly encouraging people to bring weapons to town hall meetings.

Snowball effect...wonderful

I am wondering what these guys hope to achieve?

re: #3 LudwigVanQuixote

Look the moon bats who did this are not to be excused. However, they did not have the backing of a major network constantly pimping that message openly, like Fox does in the case of Obama. The moonbats were not carrying guns to Town Halls. The moonbats did not have the same sort of mainstream legitimatization that we are seeing from the right for their whack jobs.

I do not excuse any of this. However, the moonbats were always just moonbats to the average Dem. The Nrithers and the Deathers and the other nutroots are becoming the average GOP.

They only had:
The backing of Move-On, George Soros, ANSWER, The Pinki cuscadero crowd with the Orange Jumpsuit Brigade, and minor Free Palestine organizations.

The complicity of CNN, ABC, CBS, NBC, FOX, and every print media for refusing to bring these actions to the light.

I call 24 hours on the gun toting folks at the pep rally. From the news accounts I have heard, at least one of those idiots goes to all political rallies with his gun, party affiliation is unimportant. The cops KNOW he's gonna show up.

To have a swastika with a NO sign through it is not the same as comparing Hitler and Obama. It is idiotic but it is not the mainstream GOP but dont worry, the complicit press is working on that.

re: #79 Killgore Trout

Yeah, He's a little pissed off over being shot in the head during a presidential assassination attempt.

The fact is it's a radically anti-gun organization. It's named for Brady. It's run by anti-gun foot soldiers who are relentless.

re: #85 Last Mohican

It's certainly beautiful, but it doesn't look like it would shoot so well.

Maybe for Half-Life 2. Nice KB.

re: #76 buzzsawmonkey

I wish that, where the GOP were concerned, there were a few more prominent individuals who took to heart the admonition in Pirkei Avot: "In a place where there are no men, strive to be a man."

That said, I also think that, Fox and its friends (see Fassbinder) notwithstanding, the actual influence of rightwing nutroots is being gleefully exaggerated by the non-Fox hall of media mirrors.

I'm looking directly at Fox itself. Do they have Beck or not?

re: #84 jaunte

There is no reason to carry a gun around a Presidential appearance unless your purpose is to suggest a threat.

Or to exercise your 2nd Amm rights because you are convinced your guns will be taken away from you.

I'm often around exceptionally moonbatted people, so maybe my perspective is skewed. But there was nothing non-mainstream about the hatred of Bush. It continues to thread its way through the media.

Remember the Katrina coverage? Utter distortion and deception by the mainstream media that led to even more hate and distortion. "George Bush hates black people." That was a major recording artist. No consequences in saying such a thing.

Not fringe at all, IMO.

re: #73 opnion

Not yet. But just wait. It will happen.

re: #99 Ben Hur

Or to exercise your 2nd Amm rights because you are convinced your guns will be taken away from you.

THat said, I'm sure the Sec Service rightly acts with suspicious awareness.

re: #75 LudwigVanQuixote

Don't re-direct, because I frankly don't buy it.

re: #93 LudwigVanQuixote

Interesting how that gets +4 and your other comment that agreed with some of what I said gets +6 while I got -12... From some of the same people...

maybe because you said that the left has no support from the media

"The moonbats did not have the same sort of mainstream legitimatization that we are seeing from the right for their whack jobs."

re: #98 LudwigVanQuixote

I'm looking directly at Fox itself. Do they have Beck or not?

MSNBC has Olberman.

BTW - If anyone here knows of any tea parties or other anti-Obama protests in So.Cal please email me through my website...I'm having a hard time finding any in this neck of the woods.

re: #77 Charles

I've seen many posts at Free Republic openly encouraging people to bring weapons to town hall meetings.

They are off their meds. That's just stupid, and begging to get someone shot.

re: #96 imploder

The fact is it's a radically anti-gun organization. It's named for Brady. It's run by anti-gun foot soldiers who are relentless.

Yeah, people with debilitating head wounds are so bitter.
/

Can We Get a Grip?

re: #99 Ben Hur

Or to exercise your 2nd Amm rights because you are convinced your guns will be taken away from you.

I think exercising them in this particular place is a good way to bring some legislative controls down on law abiding gun owners who don't want to threaten the President.

re: #93 LudwigVanQuixote

Interesting how that gets +4 and your other comment that agreed with some of what I said gets +6 while I got -12... From some of the same people...

I was referring to your remark that the left don't get any support from the media. You must be kidding.

Look the moon bats who did this are not to be excused. However, they did not have the backing of a major network constantly pimping that message openly, like Fox does in the case of Obama.

Are you high?

True, the MSM didn't pimp "Bush is Hitler," but they did pimp shit like "BUSH SHOWS HIS CONTEMPT FOR OUR TROOPS WITH A PLASTIC TURKEY!" -- not to mention the major networks and the NY Times and Washington DC being politely "agnostic" during the first 1-2 weeks of Rathergate.

When you have a seriously staggering economy, rising unemployment, inflation on the horizon, an unprecedented level of government drunken sailor spending, a haughty "ram it through" White House, and a dismissive aristocratic Congress, you have a pretty explosive mixture.

I've said it for a while - people are pissed - and this administration is fueling an anger I've not seen in my lifetime.

re: #105 opnion

MSNBC has Olberman.

You are saying that Olbermann is a liberal Beck? That doesn't seem to parse. A liberal O'Reilly maybe.

re: #85 Last Mohican

It's certainly beautiful, but it doesn't look like it would shoot so well.

Linky just displays the little whirling circle.

re: #103 Dianna

Don't re-direct, because I frankly don't buy it.

I am not redirecting one iota.

Did any major Dem candidate come out and compare Bush to Hitler?

Did any major Liberal News Organization compare Bush to Hitler?

Does Fox make that comparison everyday?

Does Palin go on about Death tribunals or not?

Anybody remember this classic BushHitler ad from MoveOn?

[Link: www.youtube.com...]

Side note: The LATimes has an article on Dan Rather's fight against CBS:

"Their strategy is to string it out, wear me out, suck the will from me, and make it so painful on the pocketbook that I want to give up," Rather said of the network where he worked for nearly half a century. "Well, I have a lot of flaws and vulnerabilities, but I don't think anybody who knows me would say that there's any give-up in me."

Of course CBS doesn't see it that way:

"I just think it's sad that Dan can't do what the rest of the people involved in this have done, which is stood up and been accountable for their role in what was a huge embarrassment in the history of the news division," said Andrew Heyward, the former president of CBS News.

"It's hard to watch," said Jeff Fager, executive producer of "60 Minutes." "It's like he is in some paranoid nightmare where everybody is out to get him. We're all witnessing the poor guy thrashing around, tormented."

I have to get back to work now. If you can't open my site, please try again later when the traffic slows down a bit. I'll be updating it later on with more Bush / Hitler pictures.

Thanks again Charles.

re: #86 Locker

Which finish did you choose?

Brushed aluminum, the slightly blue-ish.

re: #110 jaunte

I think exercising them in this particular place is a good way to bring some legislative controls down on law abiding gun owners who don't want to threaten the President.

Apparently, these people were within their rights. I think more than anything they are trying to make a point rather than threaten. If the police didn't arrest them, then they obviously were not threatening anyone, most obviously the president.

re: #57 LudwigVanQuixote

I would add, by the way, that the difference between the fringe loonies depicted in the pictures above and a nice fat slice of the Administration's inner circle is less a matter of substance than a matter of style. In short, they know how to wear suits and speak in modulated tones--but that doesn't mean they don't vibrate in total sympathy with the sentiments expressed in the signs being waved by the ragtag and bobtail in the street. And they have a filibuster-proof majority at the moment.

Sufficient sanity prevailed to prevent--thus far--the war crimes trials demanded by these street myrmidons. But I, for one, have not forgotten that some of the nice clean folks in suits were actually entertaining the notion with some seriousness.

re: #111 Walter L. Newton

I was referring to your remark that the left don't get any support from the media. You must be kidding.

I never said that the Left never got support from the media. Where did I say that?

I said that the sorts of crazy left in these photos were not the open face of the left on major networks, while the Right win equivalent is the OPEN face of the right on Fox.

re: #57 LudwigVanQuixote

I'm thinking the press is pimping a few random actions to be the GOP norm. And some people are buying into it. A quick count of Bush = Hitler as compared to "Obama - we don't want nazis" will give you a fair idea of how many Fringe elements you see on both sides of the aisle.

re: #109 Charles

Can We Get a Grip?

Nice one...

Can we get a grip here? It is possible to express opposition to a president’s policies without preposterous name-calling — without diminishing and disparaging the unique experiences of those who did actually suffer from actual persecution by actual Nazis. After all, you know who else trafficked in hysterical exaggeration? That’s right: Hitler!

re: #113 Russkilitlover

When you have a seriously staggering economy, rising unemployment, inflation on the horizon, an unprecedented level of government drunken sailor spending, a haughty "ram it through" White House, and a dismissive aristocratic Congress, you have a pretty explosive mixture.

I've said it for a while - people are pissed - and this administration is fueling an anger I've not seen in my lifetime.

And as this anger builds up, I suspect that it is never an impossibility that we couldn't see a false flag operation to make the opposing side look bad.

re: #123 Eowyn2

I'm thinking the press is pimping a few random actions to be the GOP norm. And some people are buying into it. A quick count of Bush = Hitler as compared to "Obama - we don't want nazis" will give you a fair idea of how many Fringe elements you see on both sides of the aisle.

FOX IS DOING THE PIMPING MORE THAN ANYONE ELSE!

I see Faux Noise has an article on hackers and identity theft on the same page full of "Mom's Teeth Whitener" and "Lose 47 lbs. in a week" scam ads.

re: #71 Ben Hur

When I lived over seas and relied on European news outlets, I was shocked at the level of madness and violence (and imagery) that was levelled at Clinton.

That wasn't covered as extensively in the US at the time. They wrote it off as typical euroleftist antics.

Seattle riots happened on Clintons watch. The anti-Bush movement was not some new phenomenon, just that they MSM had a common enemy.

Sure enough, yet that is what is called anti-Americanism. But the level of it rose each time a republican was a president. Reagan and Bush harvested the worst in public-opinion contempt and that is what I living here have observed myself. It is simply vile the pure hatred that has been poured onto Bush.
Sure enough a lot of that anti-Americanism is generated from the loser of a war towards the winner IMHO. - Spit on these crétins.

re: #77 Charles

I've seen many posts at Free Republic openly encouraging people to bring weapons to town hall meetings.

Thats just insane. These idiots have no idea the damage they are doing.

I'll leave the Hitler comparisons to people like Ahmadinejad, who I believe would like to kill all Jews.

I don't think Obama likes Jews, but I am reasonably sure he isn't planning to take us to special camps, either.

did anyone see the article about the union guy being ushered in to the town hall through a back door carrying a pic of BHO with a Hitler mustache? I don't know if it was real, but it would be interesting to find out if the left is doing some of this to make it seem worse than it is.

re: #125 Walter L. Newton

And as this anger builds up, I suspect that it is never an impossibility that we couldn't see a false flag operation to make the opposing side look bad.

"Never let a crises go to waste."

re: #126 LudwigVanQuixote

FOX IS DOING THE PIMPING MORE THAN ANYONE ELSE!

Foxnews is telling these guys to bring guns to political rallies?

re: #40 Dianna

I found the level of frothing hatred quite frightening.

Um...btw, is it now off-limits to talk about my pretty Kimber?

You got the pink anodized with cubic zirconia sight?

re: #131 Charpete67

did anyone see the article about the union guy being ushered in to the town hall through a back door carrying a pic of BHO with a Hitler mustache? I don't know if it was real, but it would be interesting to find out if the left is doing some of this to make it seem worse than it is.

I haven't seen than one. I'd be willing to bet it's a bogus story.

re: #122 LudwigVanQuixote

I never said that the Left never got support from the media. Where did I say that?

I said that the sorts of crazy left in these photos were not the open face of the left on major networks, while the Right win equivalent is the OPEN face of the right on Fox.

You said "...However, they did not have the backing of a major network constantly pimping that message openly..."

And I commented above...

"Thanks for clearing that all up for me. I didn't think that MSNBC or AIR AMERICA or KNUS (local progressive talk station OWNED by Clear Channel) or the NATION or any of those other sources of progressive support had anything to do with supporting these people."

If you don't consider any of these sources above major media, and if you never heard any of these sources pimping for all the craziness, such as depicted in the thread topic, then I ask you to do a little research.

I used to take a rifle to school for goodness' sake. It was in the gun rack in my pickup truck right in the school parking lot.

People nowadays just freak out about firearms, even those legally carried. Much ado about nothing.

re: #133 Desert Dog

Foxnews is telling these guys to bring guns to political rallies?

Don't know about that but I sure get the feeling that Glen Beck is weeping for some sort of open revolution all the time. It's really creepy.

Which network had that Bush-in-the-crosshairs graphic? I honestly can't remember...do any of you?

I'd say that was pretty damned irresponsible and inflammatory.

It's just a damn fine thing the Right is so much classier.

Except Bush was more like Manuel Noriega rather than like Hitler. Inept at his Hitler impersonation thank goodness. And at least the Left Winger graphics were better and more accurate and unless I miss my guess that one picture is of a demonstartion - not a town hall meeting.

Lizards killed Ringo's hamsters.

re: #80 Dianna

The animal rights whacko who murdered a policeman and posted about it at indymedia doesn't ring a bell?

I remember the incident. Look, I'm not saying there has never been a single act of serious violence by a wacked out lefty. If we consider the general run of the moonbat rank and file, however, it's apparent that there is little capacity or will for serious violence beyond outbreaks of guerrilla theater for the benefit of the media.

We saw this dichotomy in the Greensboro Massacre to which I alluded earlier. The communist agitators were playing for cameras and press coverage when they taunted the Klan as cowards and dared them to show up and "face the wrath of the people" at a "Death to the Klan" rally. The Klan took them at the word, showed up, and started shooting.

re: #133 Desert Dog

Foxnews is telling these guys to bring guns to political rallies?

I guess so, that's what is being implied here, if not actually said. I can't stand Fox, I can't stand beck and so on etal.

But, as I said above, the left had it's fair share of major media outlets pushing the craziness. Air America alone, in the past, when they had a full compliment of shows every day, were a constant 24 hours a days of vile hateful talk.

Can't be denied.

re: #104 Charpete67

maybe because you said that the left has no support from the media

"The moonbats did not have the same sort of mainstream legitimatization that we are seeing from the right for their whack jobs."

The reason you see a contradiction is because you assume that the typical Dem, or anyone who disagrees with you, is exactly like the freaks in these pictures.

I repeat the sorts of extreme views that these nutjobs are displaying were NOT the mainstream message of any of the major news outlets.

The equivalent crazy for the right is actively pimped by Fox, the rightwing pundits and the right wing blogosphere.

re: #116 LudwigVanQuixote

That truly was a re-direct into complete irrelevancy.

re: #127 Alouette

I see Faux Noise has an article on hackers and identity theft on the same page full of "Mom's Teeth Whitener" and "Lose 47 lbs. in a week" scam ads.

Irony can be pretty ironic sometimes.

re: #133 Desert Dog

Foxnews is telling these guys to bring guns to political rallies?

Fox news is gleefully making them look like "just average Americans who got fed up and exercised their Second Amendment rights."

Please. let's not be blind.

Rep. Gingrey (R-GA) Encourages Guns at Town Halls

I have no use for extremists of any type. And I'm really glad for the look back at the hitler stuff involving GW Bush, a good and decent man who deserved much better.

As for today's threats to President Obama, we all need to pray HARD that nothing happens to this man except perhaps a loss in November 2012. Because if a single nut is able to get to this man and bring harm to him, the consequences for our society will be horrible beyond imagination. In fact, the domestic rioting will make Watts, Detroit, and Rodney King look like a play date. And there ARE sickos out there who would like nothing better than to start a race war. And sadly, most of them are from the far right.

re: #150 _RememberTonyC

Exactly Tony! Great post

re: #150 _RememberTonyC

I have no use for extremists of any type. And I'm really glad for the look back at the hitler stuff involving GW Bush, a good and decent man who deserved much better.

As for today's threats to President Obama, we all need to pray HARD that nothing happens to this man except perhaps a loss in November 2012. Because if a single nut is able to get to this man and bring harm to him, the consequences for our society will be horrible beyond imagination. In fact, the domestic rioting will make Watts, Detroit, and Rodney King look like a play date. And there ARE sickos out there who would like nothing better than to start a race war. And sadly, most of them are from the far right.

I don't know, wasn't a democratic senator a grand wizard?

re: #112 Throbert McGee

Are you high?

True, the MSM didn't pimp "Bush is Hitler," but they did pimp shit like "BUSH SHOWS HIS CONTEMPT FOR OUR TROOPS WITH A PLASTIC TURKEY!" -- not to mention the major networks and the NY Times and Washington DC being politely "agnostic" during the first 1-2 weeks of Rathergate.

Heck, what about Rathergate itself? Oh wait, that was that fringe network, CBS. ///

re: #148 LudwigVanQuixote

Fox news is gleefully making them look like "just average Americans who got fed up and exercised their Second Amendment rights."

Please. let's not be blind.

The gun toters? Or the folks to turned out to get some answers from their representatives? Are you seriously saying that FOX supports and promotes taking guns to townhall or POTUS events? Gonna need some proof before I can swallow that one.

re: #140 Cato the Elder

It's just a damn fine thing the Right is so much classier.

Thanks Cato. It gets lonely.

re: #3 LudwigVanQuixote

Look the moon bats who did this are not to be excused. However, they did not have the backing of a major network constantly pimping that message openly, like Fox does in the case of Obama. The moonbats were not carrying guns to Town Halls. The moonbats did not have the same sort of mainstream legitimatization that we are seeing from the right for their whack jobs.

I do not excuse any of this. However, the moonbats were always just moonbats to the average Dem. The Nrithers and the Deathers and the other nutroots are becoming the average GOP.

-11 for this.

Looks like you hit a raw nerve.

I wouldn't call the last part completely accurate, but
it hardly deserves a -11.

re: #152 imploder

I don't know, wasn't a democratic senator a grand wizard?

yes he was ... but that 90 year old fart isn't "packing."

re: #151 HoosierHoops

Exactly Tony! Great post

Thanks Hoopster

re: #152 imploder

I don't know, wasn't a democratic senator a grand wizard?

Wouldn't shock me. Right up there with the Republican reps cruising for gay, congressional page booty. Wolf in sheep's clothing.

re: #148 LudwigVanQuixote

Fox news is gleefully making them look like "just average Americans who got fed up and exercised their Second Amendment rights."

Please. let's not be blind.

FIne. Then you show me who set up these "Average americans." Show me the 524 organization behind them. Show me the big business connections behind them. Show me the money trail behind them.

I have heard this charge for two weeks now, and I have yet to see anyone link to any info that would prove this point.

I'm not saying it's not possible, of course it is. But if it's happening on any grand scale, like suggested here and all around the internet, then where is the proof.

If it were happening, it would not take any time to hunt the info down and expose it.

If I'm wrong, fine, show me.

re: #140 Cato the Elder

It's just a damn fine thing the Right is so much classier.

Insanity is insanity.

re: #137 imploder

I used to take a rifle to school for goodness' sake. It was in the gun rack in my pickup truck right in the school parking lot.

People nowadays just freak out about firearms, even those legally carried. Much ado about nothing.

My concern is that these guys carrying to town halls (even if legally) in order to make a point, will cause a backlash that will hurt everyone else who wants to legally carry in other totally innocuous places.

It is NEVER a good idea to bring a weapon anywhere near the POTUS. Even if it's legal. They're not making the point they think they're making.

Oh well time to do the commute thing and the wife will swing for my beanbag if I'm not out there waiting for pickup. Thanks for helping me pass another Monday folks. Take care and be safe.

re: #70 Killgore Trout

Ugh. It gets worse...
Man carrying assault weapon attends Obama protest

the stupidity of the 'group' of protestors not withstanding,
the re-classification of weapons into assault and sniper varieties has given a bad impression. A semi-auto requires a trigger pul for each round just as a revolver (though most revolvers are double action) a sniper classed weapon is just about any single shot rifle out there. Full auto weapons have been illegal in the US since 1934 (maybe 1939, can quite remember exact date)

Regarding the bringing of weapons to a political rally. It was stupid. It was juvenile, it was 15 minutes of fame.

The left have their lunatics, and so does the right.

"Our lunatics are less crazy then yours" is a silly argument.

For someone to make a statement that these lunatics are now the typical conservative is inaccurate and ignorant.

re: #158 _RememberTonyC

Thanks Hoopster

It's our first monday night football game of the year tonight..
Tony...Are you ready for some football?

re: #162 Dianna

Insanity is insanity.

The insanity on the Right is far more likely to be armed.

re: #160 Walter L. Newton

FIne. Then you show me who set up these "Average americans." Show me the 524 organization behind them. Show me the big business connections behind them. Show me the money trail behind them.

I have heard this charge for two weeks now, and I have yet to see anyone link to any info that would prove this point.

I'm not saying it's not possible, of course it is. But if it's happening on any grand scale, like suggested here and all around the internet, then where is the proof.

If it were happening, it would not take any time to hunt the info down and expose it.

If I'm wrong, fine, show me.

Actually that is immaterial. We know full well that these people are being bussed in - there must be some organization, but my real point:

THE AVERAGE AMERICAN DOES NOT SEE IT AS A LEGITIMATE EXPRESSION OF SECOND AMENDMENT RIGHTS TO BRING GUNS ANYWHERE NEAR THE PRESIDENT!

re: #155 LudwigVanQuixote

Get a room. /

re: #135 Killgore Trout

I haven't seen than one. I'd be willing to bet it's a bogus story.

I found a link for a photo montage, but I don't know much about the site, so I don't want to link...it could be fake, I have no clue, just ran across it the other day and wondered if anyone knew anything about it.

re: #157 _RememberTonyC

yes he was ... but that 90 year old fart isn't "packing."

Yeah, wasn't it Sen Feinstein who like to pack a weapon?

Oh, and don't forget Chuck Schumer.

Feinstein and Schumer have unrestricted carry permitsour text to link...

re: #137 imploder

I used to take a rifle to school for goodness' sake. It was in the gun rack in my pickup truck right in the school parking lot.

People nowadays just freak out about firearms, even those legally carried. Much ado about nothing.

I hear where you're coming from, but I think the context of this discussion is QUITE different.

I lived in Arizona for 25 years. Hell, I saw a guy wear a pair of holstered revolvers into a bank. None of the locals thought anything about it. (Tombstone's Helldorado Days were going on, and he was obviously one of the actors, but the sixguns were real indeed.)

re: #166 Racer X

The left have their lunatics, and so does the right.

"Our lunatics are less crazy then yours" is a silly argument.

For someone to make a statement that these lunatics are now the typical conservative is inaccurate and ignorant.

Ding! Ding! Ding! We have a winner!

re: #143 Shiplord Kirel

I don't disagree with you, I just want to lower the volume of who's crazies are worse.

Insanity is insanity, evil is evil, and violence is violence.

The frothing hatred expressed toward both Bush and Obama encourages the violent crazies, and it needs to stop.

re: #162 Dianna

Insanity is insanity.

Indeed. I'm as worried about Sarah Palin's safety as I am about anyone else's in politics. The violent rhetoric used against her is more frightening than anything I've seen directed at just about anyone else.

re: #154 Russkilitlover

The gun toters? Or the folks to turned out to get some answers from their representatives? Are you seriously saying that FOX supports and promotes taking guns to townhall or POTUS events? Gonna need some proof before I can swallow that one.

The second that they are given air time to spew their propaganda as anything other than freaks, they are being pimped.

re: #122 LudwigVanQuixote

I never said that the Left never got support from the media. Where did I say that?

I said that the sorts of crazy left in these photos were not the open face of the left on major networks, while the Right win equivalent is the OPEN face of the right on Fox.

true enough, the photos the print media promoted were generally cropped. See Zombietime for more info on the croppings.

re: #37 Ben Hur

Do you think at if the Left hadn't used the Bushitler,, etc as much as they did the last eight years, you'd be seeing the same thing now?

Yeah, we'd still be seeing some of this ODS crap -- after all, before left-wing rabidness about Dubya, there was plenty of right-wing conspiracy-theorist kookiness during the Clinton years, on top of the quite legitimate attacks on Clintonian excess. And before THAT, we had the American far left convincing themselves that the Reagan Administration was the Fourth Reich, with a lot of the "progressive" craziness trickling up (albeit in diluted form) into the MSM.

Nothing new under the sun when it comes to soundbite-driven political inanity. (Though on the whole, the left is just a bit more appalling, insofar as they believe more deeply in their own Immaculate Rationality and are more apt to pat their own backs for supposedly rejecting "shallow soundbite politics.")

re: #161 buzzsawmonkey

Most of the obvious ones are on the far right, perhaps. But it would be useful to remember that the Black Muslims, in their heyday, and the Black Panthers, in their heyday, called for a similar race war, as did Charles Manson.

Oh, yes; and a professor of education named Bill Ayers.

Point well taken on the hypocrisy of it all ... but let's be "real" for a moment. Obama is the first Black man elected POTUS. If he doesn't finish his term due to violence, me may have something approaching civil war. Obama would be succeeded by Biden, who is not a minority. That's the fuel that will sustain violence for a long time, and probably damage our society forever.

re: #169 LudwigVanQuixote

Actually that is immaterial. We know full well that these people are being bussed in - there must be some organization, but my real point:

THE AVERAGE AMERICAN DOES NOT SEE IT AS A LEGITIMATE EXPRESSION OF SECOND AMENDMENT RIGHTS TO BRING GUNS ANYWHERE NEAR THE PRESIDENT!

AND NEITHER DO I. Good, we agree with that.

Now, back to your other statement. Show me the connections, show me the groups, show me, back up what you are saying.

I can certainly give you organization after organization that support the progressive rallies, groups, protestors, even the people behind a lot of the sort of pictures we see above.

So, you make the statement, I ask for proof of your statement, it's not immaterial to your statement.

re: #145 LudwigVanQuixote

The reason you see a contradiction is because you assume that the typical Dem, or anyone who disagrees with you, is exactly like the freaks in these pictures.

I repeat the sorts of extreme views that these nutjobs are displaying were NOT the mainstream message of any of the major news outlets.

The equivalent crazy for the right is actively pimped by Fox, the rightwing pundits and the right wing blogosphere.

In the Bush era, the media played the role of enabler for the lunatics. They ignored the signs because they knew it would hurt the message. I agree you never saw CNN or MSNBC outright supporting groups like ANSWER to the same extent Fox News promotes tea parties.

If Obama wasn't so radically left in his policies, do you think there would be this much protesting going on?

re: #70 Killgore Trout

Ugh. It gets worse...
Man carrying assault weapon attends Obama protest

BTW, no reply yet from the NRA when asked. It would be a excellent opportunity for them to condemn the actions of talking a gun near the POTUS over a health care issue, while defending the second amendment.

re: #4 Sharmuta

Please take notes on this lesson in demonization if you're interested in mirroring these tactics.

Lesson?
K,,
1)these were ignored by the media
2) when the media DID acknowledge one it was with the caveat that they were a very small far far left fringe not to be taken seriously, as they didn't reperesent mainstream dem/ lib/ progressives
3) it eroded the 'middle" with the constant barrage of Bush lied/ People died that even they started to buy into it

Great lessons, there !

re: #167 HoosierHoops

It's our first monday night football game of the year tonight..
Tony...Are you ready for some football?

yee hah ... we have a UConn rookie on your Colts ... Donald Brown is a quality guy ... you'll like him a lot.

re: #168 Cato the Elder

I don't know about that, off hand.

In any case, I'm out. The train waits for no one, least of all for me.

re: #149 Killgore Trout

Rep. Gingrey (R-GA) Encourages Guns at Town Halls

[Video]

You're right, he was encouraging it.

I find that kind of pandering really disgusting. No responsible gun owner should or would advocate bringing loaded weapons to a presidential event.

I mentioned this a few days ago, but if the retired sergeant who taught gun safety in my high school ROTC class were still around and saw one of these guys, a serious beat-down would ensue. When these morons act this way, they hurt the image of all responsible gun owners.

re: #183 Racer X

If Obama wasn't so radically left in his policies, do you think there would be this much protesting going on?

No.

re: #145 LudwigVanQuixote

The reason you see a contradiction is because you assume that the typical Dem, or anyone who disagrees with you, is exactly like the freaks in these pictures.

I repeat the sorts of extreme views that these nutjobs are displaying were NOT the mainstream message of any of the major news outlets.

The equivalent crazy for the right is actively pimped by Fox, the rightwing pundits and the right wing blogosphere.

Not sure I follow...how do you know what I "assume"? I don't see dem's that way and I hope you don't assume conservatives carry guns to campaign rallies or equate Obama with Hitler.

However you want to view it, the whack jobs on the left were portrayed (or protected) by the MSM...either way they were being pimped.

re: #182 Charles

You're right, he was encouraging it.

I find that kind of pandering really disgusting. No responsible gun owner should or would advocate bringing loaded weapons to a presidential event.

I mentioned this a few days ago, but if the retired sergeant who taught gun safety in my high school ROTC class were still around and saw one of these guys, a serious beat-down would ensue. When these morons act this way, they hurt the image of all responsible gun owners.

It is disgusting when anyone does it.

re: #184 avanti

BTW, no reply yet from the NRA when asked. It would be a excellent opportunity for them to condemn the actions of talking a gun near the POTUS over a health care issue, while defending the second amendment.

If I were them, I would have no comment. Do you think the secret service would allow this if it were a threat and was not legal?

If so, you don't think very much of their ability to protect the president.

disclaimer: Lifetime member NRA

By the way, in the interest of full disclosure: I found two images on Google of that disgusting Bush = Hitler image in Charles's post...modified with Obama on the right side.

Thing is, when I tried to click the thumbnails through to the actual jpegs, I got a page in both cases saying the image was in violation of terms of use.

Not so the Bush versions.

So yes, there is a double standard big enough to drive a death panel truck through.

re: #165 Eowyn2

I know some people get touchy about the terminology but the AR15 is a serious weapon not just a bolt action squirrel shooter. There were two of them at the rally today among about 12 other pistols and such. That's a pretty impressive arsenal. The potential for bloodshed and the strains on Secret service and law enforcement are huge.

re: #172 imploder

Yeah, wasn't it Sen Feinstein who like to pack a weapon?

Oh, and don't forget Chuck Schumer.

Feinstein and Schumer have unrestricted carry permitsour text to link...

Dems who pack ... sounds like the name for a porno flick

re: #137 imploder

I used to take a rifle to school for goodness' sake. It was in the gun rack in my pickup truck right in the school parking lot.

People nowadays just freak out about firearms, even those legally carried. Much ado about nothing.

Ignoring the anti-firearm hysteria whipped up over the last 30-50 years in this country will not make it go away.

re: #182 Charles

In the Bush era, the media played the role of enabler for the lunatics. They ignored the signs because they knew it would hurt the message. I agree you never saw CNN or MSNBC outright supporting groups like ANSWER to the same extent Fox News promotes tea parties

The MSM was covering for the progressives, that's why they ignored them.

re: #193 Cato the Elder

way to come full circle on the death panel truck...

re: #186 _RememberTonyC

yee hah ... we have a UConn rookie on your Colts ... Donald Brown is a quality guy ... you'll like him a lot.

Thanks...The Giants and Panthers play tonight...( sorry if It sounded like the Colts play tonight )
I'm rooting for a Manning tonight just for the heck of it...Realwest will be happy in the morning...

re: #126 LudwigVanQuixote

FOX IS DOING THE PIMPING MORE THAN ANYONE ELSE!

I don't get FOX so all I see are ABC, NBC, and CBS doing the pimping. HM. Perpective problem?

re: #195 _RememberTonyC

Dems who pack ... sounds like the name for a porno flick

I think bawney fwanks packs.

re: #188 Charles

...And all of the video clips and blog posts supporting this insanity are going to be serious liabilities if something does happen.

re: #201 Eowyn2

I don't get FOX so all I see are ABC, NBC, and CBS doing the pimping. HM. Perpective problem?

Come to think of it, they are. The more they cover it, the more they are pimping it.

re: #183 Racer X

If Obama wasn't so radically left in his policies, do you think there would be this much protesting going on?

no ... but it is what it is.

re: #182 Charles

Good clarification. During BDS, the nuts were all over the place, but got deliberately left out of the picture. It took Zombie, Ringo & others to demonstrate how pervasive and insane they were.

In the era of ODS, the whack-jobs are thrust to front & center by the media.

To me, both varieties of looniness are vile and dangerous.

re: #163 kynna

My concern is that these guys carrying to town halls (even if legally) in order to make a point, will cause a backlash that will hurt everyone else who wants to legally carry in other totally innocuous places.

It is NEVER a good idea to bring a weapon anywhere near the POTUS. Even if it's legal. They're not making the point they think they're making.

Repeat until the point penetrates.

I'm not an expert on this, or anything else for that matter. But I can say, with certainty, that Adolph Hitler was a much worse man than either George Bush or Barack Obama.

re: #202 VegasRick

I think bawney fwanks packs.

/DAMN! The possibilities are endless, but I've gotta leave in a moment for a dinner date! ... :D

There seems to be a lot of the Don't-Believe-Your-Lying-Eyes (DBYLE₁) virus going around.

Those old right wingers are so scary Congressman Alan Grayson has found a way to combat the horror.

He's holding his town hall at a union hall. Those cuddly, always unarmed, union guys will make sure it's happy-happy for the good congressman, doncha think?

re: #189 VegasRick

No.

Exactly.

I am in no way advocating bringing a gun to a rally or even hinting people should do anything other than politely protest the policies they oppose.

Obama is actively trying to impose a radical change to healthcare while ignoring the root causes of the problem. He is actively taking a pro-union stance when many people oppose unions. He is actively looking to tax the rich to pay for pet projects that relate to Global Warming - and many think those taxes will yield little or no results, and may in fact do more harm than good.

The average person is a little scared and pissed off right now - not just at Obama but at politicians in general.

re: #143 Shiplord Kirel

We saw this dichotomy in the Greensboro Massacre to which I alluded earlier. The communist agitators were playing for cameras and press coverage when they taunted the Klan as cowards and dared them to show up and "face the wrath of the people" at a "Death to the Klan" rally. The Klan took them at the word, showed up, and started shooting.

Some footage:

re: #137 imploder

I used to take a rifle to school for goodness' sake. It was in the gun rack in my pickup truck right in the school parking lot.

People nowadays just freak out about firearms, even those legally carried. Much ado about nothing.

And the teacher and principal would come out and look at the deer or elk or antelope you 'bagged' before school started. Of course there were at least 50 other rifles on the gunracks of other trucks in the 200 vehicle parking lot.

re: #200 HoosierHoops

Thanks...The Giants and Panthers play tonight...( sorry if It sounded like the Colts play tonight )
I'm rooting for a Manning tonight just for the heck of it...Realwest will be happy in the morning...

Us Patriots fans never really have a Manning to root for. Although Peyton is a class guy and Eli has a hot wife. bastards :)

re: #208 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I'm not an expert on this, or anything else for that matter. But I can say, with certainty, that Adolph Hitler was a much worse man than either George Bush or Barack Obama.

Way to go ,out on a limb there, big guy!

Any thoughts on Idi Amin?

re: #215 Eowyn2

And the teacher and principal would come out and look at the deer or elk or antelope you 'bagged' before school started. Of course there were at least 50 other rifles on the gunracks of other trucks in the 200 vehicle parking lot.

You know my school then?

re: #149 Killgore Trout

Rep. Gingrey (R-GA) Encourages Guns at Town Halls

Notice he said "I have nothing to fear at my town halls, I get a standing ovation" What does that say about those that get the screamers from the anti health care crowd ? We all agree they have the right, but these are the same folks that screamed intimidation over a black guy with a nightstick at a polling station. I don't think you should feel the need to pack a AR 15 to speech by the POTUS, even if you have that right.

re: #93 LudwigVanQuixote

Interesting how that gets +4 and your other comment that agreed with some of what I said gets +6 while I got -12... From some of the same people...

Why exactly do you find this observation "interesting"?

True, Charles twice endorsed the portion of your comment about the scariness of gun-toting right-wing crazies, but he TWICE DECLINED TO ENDORSE your claim that far-right wingnuts now get far more substantial support from Fox than far-left moonbats ever got from mainstream media outlets in the W. years.

re: #116 LudwigVanQuixote

THE VILLAGE VOICE DID A FRONT PAGE

Ex-Rep. Tom DeLay brings his two-step to 'Dancing With the Stars'

The news this morning that former House Majority Leader Tom DeLay will be a contestant on the upcoming season of “Dancing With the Stars” triggered a mixture of chortling and bemusement as it whipped through cyberspace.

. . .

Even Tom Bergeron, host of “Dancing With the Stars,” admitted he was flummoxed when he heard that the one-time Republican king maker nicknamed “The Hammer” would be participating in the dance spectacle. “This is the one when the producers last week were telling me who the lineup was … I went, ‘You’re kidding!’” Bergeron said on ABC’s “Good Morning America” as he announced the cast of the new season.

/a small slice of sanity in a world out of control

re: #204 Walter L. Newton

Come to think of it, they are. The more they cover it, the more they are pimping it.

true enough. My point is that they aren't the only ones pimping the crap and if they are all just whoring themselves for ratings.

re: #219 avanti

Notice he said "I have nothing to fear at my town halls, I get a standing ovation" What does that say about those that get the screamers from the anti health care crowd ? We all agree they have the right, but these are the same folks that screamed intimidation over a black guy with a nightstick at a polling station. I don't think you should feel the need to pack a AR 15 to speech by the POTUS, even if you have that right.

People telling other people what they, "need or don't need," always leads to an erosion of rights.

re: #217 sattv4u2

Way to go ,out on a limb there, big guy!

Any thoughts on Idi Amin?

he was badder than Bush, Cheney, Obama, and Pelosi all wrapped together.

re: #221 yochanan

THE VILLAGE VOICE DID A FRONT PAGE

The Village Voice has what sort of circulation compared to Fox?

Does anyone recall vandalism at Republican headquarters - shots fired, etc.? I didn't keep a record of those incidents, either, but I think there were quite a few.

re: #225 Eowyn2

he was badder FATTER than Bush, Cheney, Obama, and Pelosi all wrapped together.

ftfy

Is it illegal to bring a gun to a political rally? Like a bar or a bank? Just asking.

re: #220 Throbert McGee

Why exactly do you find this observation "interesting"?

True, Charles twice endorsed the portion of your comment about the scariness of gun-toting right-wing crazies, but he TWICE DECLINED TO ENDORSE your claim that far-right wingnuts now get far more substantial support from Fox than far-left moonbats ever got from mainstream media outlets in the W. years.

Then see his 182.

re: #188 Charles

You're right, he was encouraging it.

I find that kind of pandering really disgusting. No responsible gun owner should or would advocate bringing loaded weapons to a presidential event.

I mentioned this a few days ago, but if the retired sergeant who taught gun safety in my high school ROTC class were still around and saw one of these guys, a serious beat-down would ensue. When these morons act this way, they hurt the image of all responsible gun owners.

The Secret Service guys must be having nightmares over this trend. What happens if a foolish leftie gets in a pissing match with a gun toter and the guy fires up his AR 15 with another half dozen in the crowd packing too. ?

re: #229 Rancher

Is it illegal to bring a gun to a political rally? Like a bar or a bank? Just asking.

No, but it is pretty stupid to bring one anywhere near where the POTUS will be, imho

I wonder if Feinstein gets to carry her hogleg when she's around the prez.

re: #217 sattv4u2

Way to go ,out on a limb there, big guy!

Any thoughts on Idi Amin?

Why, yes, thank you for asking.

Idi Amin was a much worse guy that either George Bush or Barack Obama.

(hey! these are easy!)

re: #234 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Why, yes, thank you for asking.

Idi Amin was a much worse guy that either George Bush or Barack Obama.

(hey! these are easy!)

and do are you, big boy!

re: #236 sattv4u2

and do SO are you, big boy!

pimf

BTW, I just wanted to point out that there are strict restrictions on concealed carry defining place and policy in all the states that have it. An armed person under the concealed program cannot, "print," in other words, no one should be able to see the weapon. Also, you can't take it to a courtroom, bar or sporting event.

If someone was doing something illegal, they get arrested and lose their permit, it's that simple. Apparently in Arizona you can open carry.

One thing about GW Bush that I will always admire is that even though he got the most unfair press of any Prez in my lifetime, he never whined, complained, or tried to silence his opponents. And there were plenty of ass holes in the media who needed to shut their freaking pie holes. But Dubya had thick skin, much MUCH thicker than the current POTUS, who has no idea how rough it can (and probably will) be.

Dear Mr. President:
GW Bush knew how to "man up," and you could learn from him.

...and I'd hardly call this "momory hole" territory.

Anyone who wasn't living under a rock knows this
imagery well.

One major difference is that Bush wasn't immediately assaulted with the "Nazi" and "Dictator" crap as soon
as he got into office. If came after 9/11, The Patriot Act, Wiretapping, Gitmo, War in Iraq & Afghanistan...
and was all kicked off in 2000 by a highly controversial election debacle.

Whatever you opinion of all those events, it provided a lot of ammunition for hysteria...and even freaked out a lot of conservatives when it cames to the Bush/Cheney
idea of "Executive Power".

Obama, on the other hand, has been facing this Birther/Secret Muslim/Marxist/"Chosen One"/Socialist/Nazi/ crap since before he was even elected. People were using the "Obama-Joker-Socialist" imagery prior to November 2008 as well.

At this point, he's just continued the bailouts/stimulus, gone for healthcare reform, and pushed for Americorps like volunteer programs (THE OBAMA BROWNSHIRTS!!)
and he's been demonized as much in 8 months as Bush was in 8 years.

re: #231 avanti

The Secret Service guys must be having nightmares over this trend. What happens if a foolish leftie gets in a pissing match with a gun toter and the guy fires up his AR 15 with another half dozen in the crowd packing too. ?

Once again, you assume gun owners are prone to violence, a flawed assumption.

re: #209 pre-Boomer Marine brat

FUDGE?

///

re: #233 Cato the Elder

I wonder if Feinstein gets to carry her hogleg when she's around the prez.

She has a HogLeg?

I once knew a lady with a hairlip, does that count??

re: #236 sattv4u2

and do are you, big boy!

and do are you. And do are you? and do are you. And do are you?

I said it four times. Still doesn't make sense.

re: #231 avanti

What happens if a foolish leftie gets in a pissing match with a gun toter and the guy fires up his AR 15 with another half dozen in the crowd packing too. ?

/that would be bad, not to mention hypothetical

re: #224 imploder

People telling other people what they, "need or don't need," always leads to an erosion of rights.

Could you give me a rational reason to carry a assault rifle to a speech by the POTUS ? I'm not discussing their "right", just the stupidity of their exercising that right in this instance.

re: #227 capitalist piglet

Does anyone recall vandalism at Republican headquarters - shots fired, etc.? I didn't keep a record of those incidents, either, but I think there were quite a few.

it was in 2003...it's near the bottom in a list of incidents.

[Link: abcnews.go.com...]

All it takes is one foolish gun owner to screw things up royally. That's certainly a possibility.

re: #231 avanti

re: #241 imploder

Once again, you assume gun owners are prone to violence, a flawed assumption.

Not to mention that it would not be the 'foolish lefty" as the one carrying

re: #246 avanti

Could you give me a rational reason to carry a assault rifle to a speech by the POTUS ? I'm not discussing their "right", just the stupidity of their exercising that right in this instance.

Is it their right or not? That's the question.

re: #249 jaunte

All it takes is one foolish gun owner to screw things up royally. That's certainly a possibility.

Do you own a firearm?

re: #232 sattv4u2

No, but it is pretty stupid to bring one anywhere near where the POTUS will be, imho

Word. I haven't yet taken our (NM) concealed carry class but an event covered by the Secret Service should be allowed to ban guns. In fact I think any private property owner should have that right.

re: #252 imploder

Not relevant.

re: #244 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

and do are you. And do are you? and do are you. And do are you?

I said it four times. Still doesn't make sense.

you actually SAID it four times? Do you always talk while you type/ Do you also move your lips when you read?!?!

re: #251 imploder

Is it their right or not? That's the question.

It is not. If they were anywhere near the perimeter that the Secret Service set up, there would have been major reprecussions for those idiots, tather than a trip to Fox to be interviewed like they were legitimate in their actions where the point of open carry laws got made more times than the point that guns + the POTUS is not allowed.

re: #255 jaunte

Not relevant.

Didn't think so.

re: #241 imploder

Once again, you assume gun owners are prone to violence, a flawed assumption.

I assume most are not, but until no one is murdered with a gun, I can't assume all are non-violent.