Overnight Open Thread
This country has come to feel the same when Congress is in session as when the baby gets hold of a hammer.
— Will Rogers
This country has come to feel the same when Congress is in session as when the baby gets hold of a hammer.
— Will Rogers
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sngnsgt Tue, Aug 18, 2009 10:59:34pm |
My own re-post from the last thread but worth it:
God bless the men and women of every branch of The United States Military. I had a great day today, spent the whole day with my AF ret. SMSGT Father out @ Nellis, AFB today. My Epilepsy kept me from serving, but my Father did 22 years Air Force. It was great to see the men and women who proudly serve their country to keep America safe in uniform going about their daily business.
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Abu Al-Poopypants Tue, Aug 18, 2009 11:00:03pm |
Will, a baby with a hammer is more likely to do something constructive.
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ArchangelMichael Tue, Aug 18, 2009 11:00:16pm |
This country has come to feel the same when Congress is in session as when the baby gets hold of a hammer.
That's the best way I've heard it put in awhile.
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Ringo the Gringo Tue, Aug 18, 2009 11:03:14pm |
A remark generally hurts in proportion to its truth.
~ Will Rogers
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Silvergirl Tue, Aug 18, 2009 11:03:21pm |
Will Rogers did what he said he did. "I don't make jokes. I just watch the government and report the facts."
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Ringo the Gringo Tue, Aug 18, 2009 11:05:07pm |
Buy land. They ain't making any more of the stuff.
~ Will Rogers
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Silvergirl Tue, Aug 18, 2009 11:07:12pm |
Staying up any later tonight isn't in my best interest. Sailin' on! Time to head for the cabin and hit the bunk.
Thanks for the fun!
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LudwigVanQuixote Tue, Aug 18, 2009 11:08:54pm |
Actually it is 2:00 AM here too... Need sleep.
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BatGuano Tue, Aug 18, 2009 11:11:49pm |
"The newspaper headline said, ' Congress Deadlocked: Unable to act'. That's best news I've heard all day," - Will Rogers
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pat Tue, Aug 18, 2009 11:13:34pm |
Now why would any one worry about these stupid, greedy, delusional, racist, criminal, ignorant, assholes we call our legislators? Can't imagine a reason.
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Pvt Bin Jammin Tue, Aug 18, 2009 11:16:49pm |
re: #1 sngnsgt
My own re-post from the last thread but worth it:
God bless the men and women of every branch of The United States Military. I had a great day today, spent the whole day with my AF ret. SMSGT Father out @ Nellis, AFB today. My Epilepsy kept me from serving, but my Father did 22 years Air Force. It was great to see the men and women who proudly serve their country to keep America safe in uniform going about their daily business.
OMG, how great was that! Please thank your father for his service, and thank you for your patriotism. As a former Nevadan, I have a soft spot in my heart for those guys from Nellis.
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BatGuano Tue, Aug 18, 2009 11:17:57pm |
re: #11 pat
Now why would any one worry about these stupid, greedy, delusional, racist, criminal, ignorant, assholes we call our legislators? Can't imagine a reason.
That was a wiley post.
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Pvt Bin Jammin Tue, Aug 18, 2009 11:20:03pm |
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SixDegrees Tue, Aug 18, 2009 11:22:05pm |
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Dark_Falcon Tue, Aug 18, 2009 11:26:17pm |
re: #17 BatGuano
Well, he is a "Super Genius."
And even if his schemes always backfire, at least he means well. He's the prefect Democrat!
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Pvt Bin Jammin Tue, Aug 18, 2009 11:26:45pm |
That's right, he's a "Super Genius". I'll bet his IQ is above 167.;-) & he's got testosterone as well!
(For you lizards that weren't here in '07 we had a poster who used to brag about her IQ. She blamed all the world's ills on testosterone.)
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BatGuano Tue, Aug 18, 2009 11:29:21pm |
re: #18 Dark_Falcon
Makes sense. Road Runner is probably a Republican.
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BatGuano Tue, Aug 18, 2009 11:30:14pm |
re: #19 Pvt Bin Jammin
Sorry I missed it. Sounds amusing. :)
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Pvt Bin Jammin Tue, Aug 18, 2009 11:30:44pm |
re: #20 BatGuano
Makes sense. Road Runner is probably a Republican.
Let's get both of them in there. They can't be worse than what we have.
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Dark_Falcon Tue, Aug 18, 2009 11:32:08pm |
re: #20 BatGuano
Makes sense. Road Runner is probably a Republican.
The problem is that the Road Runner has caught a case of Bad Craziness that is slowing him down a great deal. He needs to purge this contagion or he'll end up on the coyote's dinner table.
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sngnsgt Tue, Aug 18, 2009 11:35:59pm |
re: #12 Pvt Bin Jammin
It was f'n awesome! The plan was to go to the Base Exchange so I could take advantage of the BX prices and buy myself some clothes for the hot summer days of the NV desert. The first thing was driving through the front gate and my Father being retired, he has a ret. base sticker on the front of his Explorer. The guard at the gate seeing the base pass on the bumper as a retired service man, instead of the usual wave through the gate that anyone else gets as they drive through the gate, the guard snapped to attention and gave my Father a salute as we passed through the gate. The first stop was a quick park along the flight line watching planes take off and land on their daily routines. Then the BX, and then a ride through base base housing where the troops take up residence. I grew up on Bolling AFB in Washington DC. Compared to living life as a "civilian", growing up as "an Air Force brat" was an experience I'll never forget.
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sngnsgt Tue, Aug 18, 2009 11:38:16pm |
re: #12 Pvt Bin Jammin
I thank my Father every chance I get.
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BatGuano Tue, Aug 18, 2009 11:40:53pm |
re: #25 Winslow
Literally, laughing out loud. That is clever.
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Pvt Bin Jammin Tue, Aug 18, 2009 11:48:22pm |
re: #24 sngnsgt
Awesome. My dad was a civilian who taught the Army Air Corps pilots how to fix planes, and he did a great job, but our neighbor was a retired Lt. Colonel, USMC, who came up through the ranks. I used to go to our little base with him (in northern Nevada) and we got the spiffy salute as well. I have to say, after they knew my face, I got the spiffy salute too, even though I was civilian. I ended up marrying one of those Marines. LOL
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Pvt Bin Jammin Tue, Aug 18, 2009 11:49:55pm |
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Dark_Falcon Tue, Aug 18, 2009 11:52:53pm |
And with this thread at a lull, I'm going to head to bed. I'll try to stop in before I leave for work. And Killgore, I did recommend your #599 from the previous thread. Hopefully Charles will find it as threadworthy as I do.
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Pvt Bin Jammin Tue, Aug 18, 2009 11:54:39pm |
re: #30 Dark_Falcon
Sweet dreams. I asked Kilgoreto post it over here as well.
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sngnsgt Tue, Aug 18, 2009 11:55:54pm |
re: #28 Pvt Bin Jammin
Great for you! So you know what military life is like, I don't need to go any further. Another stop I HAD to make, (not for Dad, for me) was the barber shop to get a high and tight haircut with whitewalls and everything. I gotta' bug him to take me out there more often.
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Pvt Bin Jammin Tue, Aug 18, 2009 11:55:57pm |
PIMF Killgore to.
Killgoreto is kinda cute though.
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BatGuano Tue, Aug 18, 2009 11:58:11pm |
re: #34 Pvt Bin Jammin
PIMF Killgore to.
Killgoreto is kinda cute though.
I thought that was intentional. I like it too!
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Killgore Trout Tue, Aug 18, 2009 11:59:07pm |
re: #34 Pvt Bin Jammin
Heh, I've become increasingly fatalistic about what's going on and what going to happen. We've seen it all before and we can see it coming again. It shouldn't really be news, it's only history repeating.
/So it goes
//cheers!
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BatGuano Wed, Aug 19, 2009 12:00:28am |
re: #34 Pvt Bin Jammin
PIMF Killgore to.
Killgoreto is kinda cute though.
Hey, I'm "excrement from a bats hindquarters" :)
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imploder Wed, Aug 19, 2009 12:01:10am |
re: #24 sngnsgt
It was f'n awesome! The plan was to go to the Base Exchange so I could take advantage of the BX prices and buy myself some clothes for the hot summer days of the NV desert. The first thing was driving through the front gate and my Father being retired, he has a ret. base sticker on the front of his Explorer. The guard at the gate seeing the base pass on the bumper as a retired service man, instead of the usual wave through the gate that anyone else gets as they drive through the gate, the guard snapped to attention and gave my Father a salute as we passed through the gate. The first stop was a quick park along the flight line watching planes take off and land on their daily routines. Then the BX, and then a ride through base base housing where the troops take up residence. I grew up on Bolling AFB in Washington DC. Compared to living life as a "civilian", growing up as "an Air Force brat" was an experience I'll never forget.
You got on Nellis without an ID check? And the gate guard saluted an enlisted man?
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Gus Wed, Aug 19, 2009 12:01:42am |
Found the Meetup Page for that Chris guy!
[Link: www.meetup.com...]
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Gus Wed, Aug 19, 2009 12:02:23am |
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Pvt Bin Jammin Wed, Aug 19, 2009 12:02:43am |
re: #36 Killgore Trout
Heh, I've become increasingly fatalistic about what's going on and what going to happen. We've seen it all before and we can see it coming again. It shouldn't really be news, it's only history repeating.
/So it goes//cheers!
It's all about a little history repeated...
G'Nite lizards, G'nite Kilgoreto. I am out too.
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Gus Wed, Aug 19, 2009 12:04:16am |
re: #40 Gus 802
“ congrats on all the news coverage! ”
—DAVID (Aug 19, 2009 1:11 AM)“ wow, i just saw your CNN news clip. enjoy your 15 minutes! ”
—Eric (Aug 18, 2009 9:13 PM)
[Link: www.meetup.com...]
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sngnsgt Wed, Aug 19, 2009 12:05:17am |
re: #39 imploder
Nope, I didn't. The old man was driving, I don't drive because of my Epilepsy. The AF retired sticker is what got the salute.
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imploder Wed, Aug 19, 2009 12:08:13am |
re: #44 sngnsgt
Nope, I didn't. The old man was driving, I don't drive because of my Epilepsy. The AF retired sticker is what got the salute.
I'm retired from the USAF as an enlisted MSgt and I have no special sticker that denotes that. I've never been saluted at the gate nor do I ever expect to receive one. It's not part of our customs and courtesies to render salutes to enlisted people, retired or otherwise.
Just saying. And since 9/11 they haven't allowed anyone on any base that I know of without an ID check. The old DoD base stickers have been eliminated at most locations if not all by now due to security concerns.
But I'm not saying it didn't happen. It's just unusual.
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Gus Wed, Aug 19, 2009 12:14:03am |
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Syrah Wed, Aug 19, 2009 12:19:10am |
re: #46 Gus 802
Another Meetup page:
[Link: www.meetup.com...]
This time with a portrait.
Confirmed.
Seems a bit scattered and unfocused in a very Ron Paul-bot sort of way.
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BatGuano Wed, Aug 19, 2009 12:19:30am |
re: #40 Gus 802
Found the Meetup Page for that Chris guy!
[Link: www.meetup.com...]
Gus, who is that Chris Guy?
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sngnsgt Wed, Aug 19, 2009 12:20:14am |
re: #45 imploder
I was only a passenger, my Father was driving. They didn't check ID's on passengers. I'll have to ask him about the sticker, he does have an Air Force retired license plate on the front bumper too. I've been on Nellis many times this past year (with him) and never had an ID check. I can't buy anything at the BX without him, they don't check ID when you go into the BX there, just the check-out counter. When we lived on Bolling in DC, they checked ID at the BX entrance not the check-out.
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Gus Wed, Aug 19, 2009 12:21:41am |
re: #47 Syrah
Seems a bit scattered and unfocused in a very Ron Paul-bot sort of way.
Fore sure. Here's his John Birch Meetup page:
[Link: jbs.meetup.com...]
And his typical interests:
Badnarik for Congress, Hiking, Christian Social, Experimental Music, Do It Yourself, Young Republicans, Volunteer, United States Constitution, Singles, Photography, Off Leash Dog Recreation, New Technology, Motorcycle Riders, Museum, Jazz, Indie Film, Dining Out, Card Games, Boardgames, Book Club, Art, Digital Photography, Christian Music, Gospel Music, Impeach Bush, Anti-Death Penalty, Anti-Police Misconduct, Townhall, Friends, Active Dogs, Bible Study, Nightshift, Motocross, Anarchy, Shyness & Social Anxiety, Bicycling, BMX, Born Again Christians, Election Reform, Fight Big Media, Ron Paul Campaigns, Stop the Patriot Act, Constitution Party, Right to Bear Arms, Local Politics, Libertarian, Free State Project, Bill of Rights Defense Committee, Chuck Baldwin
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Gus Wed, Aug 19, 2009 12:22:35am |
re: #48 BatGuano
Gus, who is that Chris Guy?
He's the one with that showed up at that Obama event in Phoenix with the AR-15 and was interviewed by CNN, etc.
He goes by Chris B. but this is the first time I was able to locate more specific information.
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BatGuano Wed, Aug 19, 2009 12:22:54am |
By the way, Wiley Post was the pilot of the plane that crashed killing Will rogers.
See my #13.
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BatGuano Wed, Aug 19, 2009 12:24:57am |
re: #51 Gus 802
Thanks, I had not heard about that one. The last one I heard of was at the townhall in New Hampshire. Morons all.
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imploder Wed, Aug 19, 2009 12:26:12am |
re: #49 sngnsgt
I was only a passenger, my Father was driving. They didn't check ID's on passengers. I'll have to ask him about the sticker, he does have an Air Force retired license plate on the front bumper too. I've been on Nellis many times this past year (with him) and never had an ID check. I can't buy anything at the BX without him, they don't check ID when you go into the BX there, just the check-out counter. When we lived on Bolling in DC, they checked ID at the BX entrance not the check-out.
I misspoke earlier. The policy that I've seen at most places is that children under 10 do not need to show IDs to get on base. So even 11 or 12 year olds, if they are 10-ish in size, will pass through the dragnet.
Usually, someone teenager and up, will have some form of ID. If they are a dependent family member, they will have a DoD issued pink ID card (I have one, my wife is still active duty). Dependents are up to college age (24, I believe if still actively pursuing college, 18 if not). Some people get permanent dependency status depending on medical conditions, etc.
If the person is a guest, there is usually a policy in place to sign them into the base at a visitor control center. I haven't been to Nellis in like four years, though. It varies a little from base to base but there is an overarching policy for security USAF wide.
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Gus Wed, Aug 19, 2009 12:26:16am |
re: #53 BatGuano
Thanks, I had not heard about that one. The last one I heard of was at the townhall in New Hampshire. Morons all.
Yeah, was couple of threads here today about that. Was organized by a bunch of Ron Paul kooks. Seriously. They had 12 show up armed.
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imploder Wed, Aug 19, 2009 12:27:38am |
Retired people carry immediately identifiable blue ID cards. Mine is actually worthless here in Germany because I'm a command sponsored dependent so everyone wants to see my pink ID for the use of base services.
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BatGuano Wed, Aug 19, 2009 12:28:12am |
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sngnsgt Wed, Aug 19, 2009 12:33:56am |
re: #54 imploder
I misspoke earlier. The policy that I've seen at most places is that children under 10 do not need to show IDs to get on base. So even 11 or 12 year olds, if they are 10-ish in size, will pass through the dragnet.
Usually, someone teenager and up, will have some form of ID. If they are a dependent family member, they will have a DoD issued pink ID card (I have one, my wife is still active duty). Dependents are up to college age (24, I believe if still actively pursuing college, 18 if not). Some people get permanent dependency status depending on medical conditions, etc.
If the person is a guest, there is usually a policy in place to sign them into the base at a visitor control center. I haven't been to Nellis in like four years, though. It varies a little from base to base but there is an overarching policy for security USAF wide.
Whenever we had guests, family and such come visit on Bolling, they called the active duty person to the gate to sign someone in and sign for a pass. My Mother's family used to visit all the time and play tourist at all the monuments in DC. A visotors pass was only good for 3 days and then they had to get a new one.
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MrPaulRevere Wed, Aug 19, 2009 12:35:01am |
You stay classy, Crooks and Liars: From the front page post; "Novak will perhaps be best remembered -- if at all -- as one of the most compulsive professional liars to have wormed his way inside the Beltway, and that's saying something." Comment number #8:
"Brain cancer eh?
Couldn't have happened to a nicer guy."
And people wonder why Charles deletes comments...
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imploder Wed, Aug 19, 2009 12:36:19am |
Sngnsgt, sorry. It's just that talking about base security is more fun than talking about Barney Franks' townhall meeting. :)
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Syrah Wed, Aug 19, 2009 12:36:21am |
re: #50 Gus 802
Fore sure. Here's his John Birch Meetup page:
[Link: jbs.meetup.com...]
And his typical interests:
Badnarik for Congress, Hiking, Christian Social, Experimental Music, Do It Yourself, Young Republicans, Volunteer, United States Constitution, Singles, Photography, Off Leash Dog Recreation, New Technology, Motorcycle Riders, Museum, Jazz, Indie Film, Dining Out, Card Games, Boardgames, Book Club, Art, Digital Photography, Christian Music, Gospel Music, Impeach Bush, Anti-Death Penalty, Anti-Police Misconduct, Townhall, Friends, Active Dogs, Bible Study, Nightshift, Motocross, Anarchy, Shyness & Social Anxiety, Bicycling, BMX, Born Again Christians, Election Reform, Fight Big Media, Ron Paul Campaigns, Stop the Patriot Act, Constitution Party, Right to Bear Arms, Local Politics, Libertarian, Free State Project, Bill of Rights Defense Committee, Chuck Baldwin
Those nuts that are showing off their guns at these Presidential Town halls bring to mind that Robert De Niro character in the movie Taxi Driver.
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Gus Wed, Aug 19, 2009 12:37:56am |
re: #63 Syrah
Those nuts that are showing off their guns at these Presidential Town halls bring to mind that Robert De Niro character in the movie Taxi Driver.
They do. Something tells me this guys is off his rocker but I think we've already guessed that. That list is all over the map.
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BatGuano Wed, Aug 19, 2009 12:39:40am |
re: #59 MrPaulRevere
"And people wonder why Charles deletes comments..."
This is why Charles deletes some comments.
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sngnsgt Wed, Aug 19, 2009 12:40:06am |
re: #62 imploder
Ain't that the truth, this was more than 20 years ago when I was a dependent, my ID growing up was light brown.
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imploder Wed, Aug 19, 2009 12:40:35am |
re: #64 Gus 802
They do. Something tells me this guys is off his rocker but I think we've already guessed that. That list is all over the map.
That list is worse than a TQM Pareto chart with some total quality guru pointing at the shotgun blast saying there is an obvious trend...
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imploder Wed, Aug 19, 2009 12:42:43am |
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BatGuano Wed, Aug 19, 2009 12:43:37am |
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Gus Wed, Aug 19, 2009 12:43:59am |
re: #67 imploder
That list is worse than a TQM Pareto chart with some total quality guru pointing at the shotgun blast saying there is an obvious trend...
I'd call that list bipolar but two polar regions wouldn't be enough. //
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imploder Wed, Aug 19, 2009 12:44:54am |
re: #71 Gus 802
I'd call that list bipolar but two polar regions wouldn't be enough. //
Agreed. I'd call it psychotic, but I only play a doctor on TV...
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Gus Wed, Aug 19, 2009 12:46:20am |
re: #72 imploder
Agreed. I'd call it psychotic, but I only play a doctor on TV...
You know. I've always thought Ron Paul was crazy. As time goes by and I see more of his followers I actually think he's crazier than I first thought. The man is an evil creep.
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BatGuano Wed, Aug 19, 2009 12:47:25am |
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imploder Wed, Aug 19, 2009 12:50:10am |
re: #74 Gus 802
You know. I've always thought Ron Paul was crazy. As time goes by and I see more of his followers I actually think he's crazier than I first thought. The man is an evil creep.
There are certain people who are low-hanging fruit for Dr Ron's special breed of paranoia. Some of my family members, for example.
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BatGuano Wed, Aug 19, 2009 12:51:26am |
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Gus Wed, Aug 19, 2009 12:51:50am |
re: #76 imploder
There are certain people who are low-hanging fruit for Dr Ron's special breed of paranoia. Some of my family members, for example.
Sorry to hear that. It's actually better to have "normal" Democrats in the family. ;)
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sngnsgt Wed, Aug 19, 2009 12:53:48am |
re: #78 Gus 802
Sorry to hear that. It's actually better to have "normal" Democrats in the family. ;)
Normal Democrat, now there's an oxymoron if I've ever heard one. ;-)
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Gus Wed, Aug 19, 2009 12:55:11am |
re: #79 sngnsgt
Normal Democrat, now there's an oxymoron if I've ever heard one. ;-)
Well, some go to extremes. Now those Paulians are like a salad of crazies.
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MrPaulRevere Wed, Aug 19, 2009 12:58:37am |
re: #78 Gus 802
Ron Paul is a utopian snake oil salesman who wants to take us back to a glorious past that never existed. As rational observers of the political scene, we should fight him with the same zeal we use to oppose utopians of the left who promise us a future which will never materialize.
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imploder Wed, Aug 19, 2009 12:59:28am |
My dad, in particular is a Gold-standard tax-conspiracy guy (even though he pays no taxes).
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TheMatrix31 Wed, Aug 19, 2009 1:06:51am |
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BatGuano Wed, Aug 19, 2009 1:14:15am |
re: #84 TheMatrix31
Blekh...it's not my home, it's where I currently reside!
Then where is home? If I may ask.
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Gus Wed, Aug 19, 2009 1:14:41am |
Chris B. is Christopher Broughton
Also listed here:
[Link: www.givemeliberty.org...]
And here:
[Link: www.givemeliberty.org...]
Don't ask me how I got it because it involves a phone number the boob posted.
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Eretz Wed, Aug 19, 2009 1:16:48am |
Stop the Presses: Blood Libel Goes Mainstream: Swedish Newspaper Proves Antisemitism Is Anti-Zionism Is Now Acceptable
[Link: rubinreports.blogspot.com...]
Swedish Social Democratic newspaper prominently features article claiming Israel's army deliberately murders Palestinian civilians to sell their organs.
We have entered the Twilight Zone.
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TheMatrix31 Wed, Aug 19, 2009 1:19:20am |
re: #85 BatGuano
Then where is home? If I may ask.
Born in Fresno...moved down to LA in 2000. Hated it then, hate it now. Hate it even more now that I visited the awesome Midwest, even if the trip DID include Obamaland.
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Millicent Islam Wed, Aug 19, 2009 1:21:23am |
Ahoy, polloi!
How's everybody and what's going on?
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Gus Wed, Aug 19, 2009 1:22:25am |
re: #89 iceweasel
Ahoy, polloi!
How's everybody and what's going on?
Internet sleuthing. Figured out who "Chris B" is. See #86.
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Millicent Islam Wed, Aug 19, 2009 1:23:56am |
re: #90 Gus 802
Internet sleuthing. Figured out who "Chris B" is. See #86.
Awesome. I love your Internet sleuthing. But who is this Chris B? I've not been paying attention. One of these townhall nuts?
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Gus Wed, Aug 19, 2009 1:24:34am |
re: #92 iceweasel
Awesome. I love your Internet sleuthing. But who is this Chris B? I've not been paying attention. One of these townhall nuts?
Yeah. The almost famous guy with the AR-15. You know, Erkel.
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Millicent Islam Wed, Aug 19, 2009 1:26:30am |
re: #93 Gus 802
Yeah. The almost famous guy with the AR-15. You know, Erkel.
Oh wow. Ok, I know now--- I was just checking this out on TPM, I guess people have already seen it.?..
TPM LiveWire
Assault Rifle Interview Outside Obama Event In Phoenix Was Planned
Ernest Hancock, the online radio host who interviewed the man with the assault rifle outside yesterday's Obama event in Arizona, today stated that the whole event was actually planned in advance. Watch the video below.
Hancock appeared on Rick Sanchez's CNN show this afternoon. After explaining a few details about the interview, including the tidbit that he's known 'Chris' (the man with the AR-15) for two years because of their mutual work for Ron Paul, the CNN host said "the more we look into this, the more it appears that it was really planned."
Going to check out your links!
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Millicent Islam Wed, Aug 19, 2009 1:30:17am |
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Gus Wed, Aug 19, 2009 1:30:59am |
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BatGuano Wed, Aug 19, 2009 1:31:54am |
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Millicent Islam Wed, Aug 19, 2009 1:35:44am |
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BatGuano Wed, Aug 19, 2009 1:37:16am |
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Millicent Islam Wed, Aug 19, 2009 1:40:03am |
re: #100 BatGuano
"Me too! Who would be anything else?"
Congress.
You're right, as ever. I should have phrased that as What decent person would be anything else. :)
Disingenuous how? Me? At the same time I was reading here I had TPM open-- didn't even realise it was about the same guy. I haven't been keeping up on this at all.
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Gus Wed, Aug 19, 2009 1:40:23am |
re: #99 iceweasel
Wow, amazing, excellent work. Kind of scary how much info the internets gives up on people, isn't it?
Yeah. But only if you leave an easy trail. Of course given his activity there's a reason for looking into the matter.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Aug 19, 2009 1:48:16am |
So after passing an 11 panel drug test yesterday for my new job, I gave the results to my boss. She was suprised I was negative for everything. She said even she smokes weed, but they need to keep out the meth and coke heads. Jeez.
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Gus Wed, Aug 19, 2009 1:51:26am |
re: #104 Cannadian Club Akbar
So after passing an 11 panel drug test yesterday for my new job, I gave the results to my boss. She was suprised I was negative for everything. She said even she smokes weed, but they need to keep out the meth and coke heads. Jeez.
If they took one for me they'd find some Aleve, penicillin and a dark espresso roast. /
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Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Aug 19, 2009 1:52:28am |
re: #105 Gus 802
If they took one for me they'd find some Aleve, penicillin and a dark espresso roast. /
I won't ask about the penicillin.
/It burns!!!
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Gus Wed, Aug 19, 2009 1:53:33am |
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BatGuano Wed, Aug 19, 2009 1:55:58am |
re: #101 iceweasel
Just a question. I'm reminded of Catch-22 when a character had the " Facts at his fingertips". You've always impressed me with your honesty, which I prize among all other traits. You came up with the link awfully quickly. I think I have inherited my cynicism from my late dad. In any case, I have a great deal of respect for your opinions. No offense intended. :)
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Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Aug 19, 2009 1:56:42am |
re: #107 Gus 802
I had an abscess tooth once. Needed to take penicillin for 5 days before they could pull it. I was eating about 30 Tylenol a day. Freaking pain!!
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Gus Wed, Aug 19, 2009 1:58:01am |
re: #110 Cannadian Club Akbar
I had an abscess tooth once. Needed to take penicillin for 5 days before they could pull it. I was eating about 30 Tylenol a day. Freaking pain!!
Yep. I need to figure out what to do. Don't really want to have it pulled. But the root canal route is $1500 and that's with a dental plan.
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Karridine Wed, Aug 19, 2009 1:59:42am |
re: #111 Gus 802
Holy Mackerel!
Buy a discounted ticket, fly to Thailand and have it done cleanly and correctly (by American-trained Thai dentists) for a couple hundred dollars TOPS...
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Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Aug 19, 2009 1:59:57am |
re: #111 Gus 802
Yep. I need to figure out what to do. Don't really want to have it pulled. But the root canal route is $1500 and that's with a dental plan.
At one point about 6 years ago, I spent $3500 on my teeth out of pocket. Everyone was telling me to get dentures. I didn't want them. Well worth the investment.
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Millicent Islam Wed, Aug 19, 2009 2:00:06am |
re: #109 BatGuano
Just a question. I'm reminded of Catch-22 when a character had the " Facts at his fingertips". You've always impressed me with your honesty, which I prize among all other traits. You came up with the link awfully quickly. I think I have inherited my cynicism from my late dad. In any case, I have a great deal of respect for your opinions. No offense intended. :)
Oh no prob, I totally understand-- I'm usually multitasking when I'm here and have multiple tabs open for various things. In this case I happened to be reading TPM at the same time-- i was totally startled the article turned out to be about the same guy, myself. In between posting and waiting for Gus's response I had flipped back to read more of it! pretty wacky
No worries {Bat}.
Who's the one in catch 22 with the 'facts at his fingertips"? I love that book but it's been a long time since I read it...I used to have a cat named Yossarian. :)
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Gus Wed, Aug 19, 2009 2:01:35am |
re: #113 Karridine
Holy Mackerel!
Buy a discounted ticket, fly to Thailand and have it done cleanly and correctly (by American-trained Thai dentists) for a couple hundred dollars TOPS...
Damn, that's a good deal. But that would take a lot of work on my end. It's much less in Mexico so I heard.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Aug 19, 2009 2:04:55am |
re: #116 Gus 802
Damn, that's a good deal. But that would take a lot of work on my end. It's much less in Mexico so I heard.
I'd say shop around. Also, you can get a payment plan if you ask, I'm sure.
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BatGuano Wed, Aug 19, 2009 2:05:50am |
re: #115 iceweasel
It was an officer who's name I don't remember. The question was, "Who is Yossarian?, and the officer had the facts at his fingertips. I read the book twice 40 years ago, I need to read it again.
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Gus Wed, Aug 19, 2009 2:06:26am |
re: #117 Cannadian Club Akbar
I'd say shop around. Also, you can get a payment plan if you ask, I'm sure.
That's the standard rate for two dental plans I have actually. They'd all be the same. It's kind of like "price fixing" if you ask me. But, maybe there could be a chance someone is cheaper even without a discount plan.
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opnion Wed, Aug 19, 2009 2:08:02am |
Good morning fun seekers. There is nothing better than wakeing up in a hotel room in the miidle of the night, hours before your wake up call.
Nothing better at all, there is so much to do in the room.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Aug 19, 2009 2:09:45am |
re: #120 opnion
Good morning fun seekers. There is nothing better than wakeing up in a hotel room in the miidle of the night, hours before your wake up call.
Nothing better at all, there is so much to do in the room.
I had the same problem when I used to go to LA from my spot in an eastern time zone. I always stayed on east coast time.
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UncleRancher Wed, Aug 19, 2009 2:11:05am |
Dental... I'm in the middle of a whole series of visits to the chair or torture. Two crowns and a filling so far, and about 3 or 4 visits to go. They do have some impressive new materials in the form of composite and adhesives these days.
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BatGuano Wed, Aug 19, 2009 2:12:58am |
littleoldlady's last post was on the 16th. Does anyone have any information or a way to contact her? I do not want to intrude on her private life but I am concerned.
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UncleRancher Wed, Aug 19, 2009 2:13:04am |
Oops, that's chair OF torture. Silly spell check doesn't catch everything.
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Gus Wed, Aug 19, 2009 2:13:08am |
re: #122 UncleRancher
Dental... I'm in the middle of a whole series of visits to the chair or torture. Two crowns and a filling so far, and about 3 or 4 visits to go. They do have some impressive new materials in the form of composite and adhesives these days.
I know the pain can be a hassle but the pain from not going is much worse. :)
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opnion Wed, Aug 19, 2009 2:15:05am |
re: #121 Cannadian Club Akbar
I had the same problem when I used to go to LA from my spot in an eastern time zone. I always stayed on east coast time.
I hear ya. I am out of my time zone, but only one.
I am in so many hotel rooms, that it usually not a problem.
Today is the exception.
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UncleRancher Wed, Aug 19, 2009 2:15:29am |
re: #125 Gus 802
I know the pain can be a hassle but the pain from not going is much worse. :)
Yeah, I'm paying the bill now for not going the last 20 years..
re: #123 BatGuano
littleoldlady's last post was on the 16th. Does anyone have any information or a way to contact her? I do not want to intrude on her private life but I am concerned.
I think she said she was taking a break and was concerned about not feeding the animals while she was out.
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opnion Wed, Aug 19, 2009 2:19:39am |
re: #122 UncleRancher
Dental... I'm in the middle of a whole series of visits to the chair or torture. Two crowns and a filling so far, and about 3 or 4 visits to go. They do have some impressive new materials in the form of composite and adhesives these days.
I had a dentist refer me to an Oral Surgeon after she took X rays.
He told me that I needed Oral Surgery & bone grafts in all four quarants.
My dental plan didn't pay for a 2nd opinion, so I got one out of pocket.
I didn't need any of that. BTW the Oral Surgeon was the dentists former dental school instructor.
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UncleRancher Wed, Aug 19, 2009 2:19:55am |
re: #128 BatGuano
The Little House of Horrors, original. That was Jack Nicholson's first movie.
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Gus Wed, Aug 19, 2009 2:20:17am |
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Joshua Cohen Wed, Aug 19, 2009 2:20:50am |
Oh these Swedish people - harvesting the organs of the poor palestinians...WTF?
Yeah sure and we poisoned the water hole, kill little children to use their blood to make Pessach matzos...and worse.
That shit happen if you let antisemites prevail.
Same shit - different times.
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BatGuano Wed, Aug 19, 2009 2:21:40am |
re: #130 UncleRancher
Yes it was.
/Whatever happened to him?
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BatGuano Wed, Aug 19, 2009 2:23:14am |
re: #131 Gus 802
That's funny. Never saw that movie.
I have it on dvd. I also saw it on tv when I was 9.
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UncleRancher Wed, Aug 19, 2009 2:24:49am |
Whatever happened to Jack Nicholson? I believe his latest movie was "The Bucket List"
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UncleRancher Wed, Aug 19, 2009 2:25:40am |
re: #134 BatGuano
I have it on dvd. I also saw it on tv when I was 9.
I've got the DVD also. I think I paid a quarter for it at a garage sale.
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BatGuano Wed, Aug 19, 2009 2:31:23am |
re: #127 UncleRancher
I think she said she was taking a break and was concerned about not feeding the animals while she was out.
Thank you. I didn't hear that.
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yochanan Wed, Aug 19, 2009 2:34:12am |
reports that the chicago crime rate dropped last monday as it was the day chicagostan's city gov't was closed.
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opnion Wed, Aug 19, 2009 2:39:30am |
re: #140 yochanan
reports that the chicago crime rate dropped last monday as it was the day chicagostan's city gov't was closed.
I am sure that Richie Daley just closed the deal for the 2016 Olympics.
They must feel very secure that Chicago can meet it's financial obligations.
Nothing proves that more than shutting down City services, because you can't make payroll.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Aug 19, 2009 2:39:51am |
re: #140 yochanan
reports that the chicago crime rate dropped last monday as it was the day chicagostan's city gov't was closed.
Usually we get a headline saying how 12 or so people were killed in a 24 hour span. Not in the last few weeks. Guess even the thugs are taking a break.
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BatGuano Wed, Aug 19, 2009 2:40:05am |
Good night, Ice, goodnight all, goodnight Mrs. Kalabash wherever you are.
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yochanan Wed, Aug 19, 2009 2:41:50am |
re: #142 Cannadian Club Akbar
either that or there just isn't anything left for them to steal.
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Millicent Islam Wed, Aug 19, 2009 2:42:47am |
re: #143 BatGuano
Good night, Ice, goodnight all, goodnight Mrs. Kalabash wherever you are.
[Video]
Bye Bat-Man. :) Be well.
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UncleRancher Wed, Aug 19, 2009 2:43:55am |
I recall a strike in California against the hospitals there. Death rate went way down while that was going on.
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opnion Wed, Aug 19, 2009 2:48:05am |
re: #146 UncleRancher
I recall a strike in California against the hospitals there. Death rate went way down while that was going on.
THe HEREIU Union has been on strike against the Congress Hotel in Chicago for six years. Obama as a Candidate even hit the picket line.
After six years mybe you lower your demands to get back to work.
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opnion Wed, Aug 19, 2009 2:49:23am |
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Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Aug 19, 2009 2:49:59am |
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yochanan Wed, Aug 19, 2009 2:53:15am |
re: #151 Cannadian Club Akbar
well the do polish their balls
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opnion Wed, Aug 19, 2009 2:54:09am |
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itellu3times Wed, Aug 19, 2009 2:55:16am |
Hello night lizards!
Hey midnight Charles, getting an "invalid certificate" warning from amazon, "name does not match site".
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UncleRancher Wed, Aug 19, 2009 3:03:45am |
re: #154 itellu3times
Hello night lizards!
Hey midnight Charles, getting an "invalid certificate" warning from amazon, "name does not match site".
I'm not seeing a problem here.
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opnion Wed, Aug 19, 2009 3:10:15am |
At his Town Hall, Bawney Fwank,( slurp, spit drool) takked down to his constituents. He actually said ," Medicare is not bankwupt, (slurp, spit drool), it just need mo money."
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Millicent Islam Wed, Aug 19, 2009 3:15:24am |
re: #156 opnion
At his Town Hall, Bawney Fwank,( slurp, spit drool) takked down to his constituents. He actually said ," Medicare is not bankwupt, (slurp, spit drool), it just need mo money."
Haven't seen that, but there is an awesome video making the rounds of Frank destroying some lunatic townhall protestor who is calling Obama a Nazi:
(apologies if this has already been posted)
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opnion Wed, Aug 19, 2009 3:20:14am |
re: #157 iceweasel
Haven't seen that, but there is an awesome video making the rounds of Frank destroying some lunatic townhall protestor who is calling Obama a Nazi:
(apologies if this has already been posted)
That clip was actually on TV. If the woman would have skipped the Hitler picture she might have had a point. With that though, you just tune her out.
I would love Frank & Dodd under oath explaining their roll in the mortgage crisis.
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Millicent Islam Wed, Aug 19, 2009 3:22:10am |
re: #158 Cannadian Club Akbar
She seems stable.
Yeah, scary stuff. I did like the line "Ma'am, trying to have a conversation with you is like talking to a dining room table". Frank does occasionally have a way with words, I must say.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Aug 19, 2009 3:22:24am |
re: #159 opnion
That clip was actually on TV. If the woman would have skipped the Hitler picture she might have had a point. With that though, you just tune her out.
I would love Frank & Dodd under oath explaining their roll in the mortgage crisis.
Wouldn't congress have to vote for them to answer questions under oath?
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opnion Wed, Aug 19, 2009 3:24:31am |
re: #161 Cannadian Club Akbar
Wouldn't congress have to vote for them to answer questions under oath?
I think that's right. They would have to call for hearings & take their testimony under oath. Never happen, with Dems in control.
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MandyManners Wed, Aug 19, 2009 3:25:13am |
I saw something utterly disgusting a few minutes ago. A delegate of Barney Franks was getting into audience members' faces and yelling. He was bending down to the seated people and waving some papers around, yelling.
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Millicent Islam Wed, Aug 19, 2009 3:29:50am |
Awesome. I think this study got a grant from the University for the Study of the Incredibly Obvious:
Twitter tweets are 40% 'babble'
A short-term study of Twitter has found that 40% of the messages sent via it are "pointless babble."
Carried out by US market research firm Pear Analytics, the study aimed to produce a snapshot of what people do with the service.
Almost as prevalent as the babble were "conversational" tweets that used it as a surrogate instant messaging system.
The study found that only 8.7% of messages could be said to have "value" as they passed along news of interest.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Aug 19, 2009 3:31:01am |
re: #164 iceweasel
I am eating Corn Flakes right now.
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Millicent Islam Wed, Aug 19, 2009 3:34:09am |
re: #165 Cannadian Club Akbar
I am eating Corn Flakes right now.
CornFlakes and FrootLoops: new political parties coming soon!
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Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Aug 19, 2009 3:35:19am |
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Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Aug 19, 2009 3:38:29am |
re: #167 MandyManners
Spicoli is getting a divorce?!
If she kicks him out of the house, he can move in with Hugo the Midget.
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MandyManners Wed, Aug 19, 2009 3:43:49am |
re: #169 Cannadian Club Akbar
If she kicks him out of the house, he can move in with Hugo the Midget.
I posted Hagar's theme song from Fast Times... the other day in honor of his 49th birthday. The folks on Fox said this the third time divorce papers have been filed.
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opnion Wed, Aug 19, 2009 3:44:27am |
re: #163 MandyManners
I saw something utterly disgusting a few minutes ago. A delegate of Barney Franks was getting into audience members' faces and yelling. He was bending down to the seated people and waving some papers around, yelling.
Yeah, that ws on TV. These people are so arrogant.
Frank did not like the etiquette of the people.
Barney himself is very rude & a name caller.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Aug 19, 2009 3:44:35am |
re: #170 MandyManners
I posted Hagar's theme song from Fast Times... the other day in honor of his 49th birthday. The folks on Fox said this the third time divorce papers have been filed.
Hagar? Sammy?
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MandyManners Wed, Aug 19, 2009 3:45:54am |
re: #171 opnion
Yeah, that ws on TV. These people are so arrogant.
Frank did not like the etiquette of the people.
Barney himself is very rude & a name caller.
If one of his constituents had acted that way, it would be all over the news about how rude, ignorant and irrational she is.
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Lucius Septimius Wed, Aug 19, 2009 3:47:08am |
re: #173 MandyManners
It's rude, ignorant and irrational to argue with Barney. Just ask all those little kids. And Baby Bop.
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MandyManners Wed, Aug 19, 2009 3:47:51am |
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MandyManners Wed, Aug 19, 2009 3:49:02am |
re: #174 Lucius Septimius
It's rude, ignorant and irrational to argue with Barney. Just ask all those little kids. And Baby Bop.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Aug 19, 2009 3:49:23am |
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opnion Wed, Aug 19, 2009 3:51:24am |
re: #167 MandyManners
Spicoli is getting a divorce?!
It's the 3rd time that Pricess Buttercup has filed.
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Lucius Septimius Wed, Aug 19, 2009 3:51:55am |
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opnion Wed, Aug 19, 2009 3:52:41am |
re: #173 MandyManners
If one of his constituents had acted that way, it would be all over the news about how rude, ignorant and irrational she is.
Yup, they would be called un-American, space alien ,Nazis.
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Lucius Septimius Wed, Aug 19, 2009 3:54:41am |
re: #180 opnion
Yup, they would be called un-American, space alien ,Nazis.
Hey -- watch it with the space-alien bashing. That cuts a bit close to the quick for some of us.
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MandyManners Wed, Aug 19, 2009 3:54:51am |
re: #177 Cannadian Club Akbar
Wow. I saw him for the first time when I was 15.
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MandyManners Wed, Aug 19, 2009 3:56:05am |
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MandyManners Wed, Aug 19, 2009 3:56:53am |
re: #179 Lucius Septimius
Yeah me.
How are you doing this morning?
I'm respirating, conscious and erect. How're you?
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Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Aug 19, 2009 3:57:08am |
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MandyManners Wed, Aug 19, 2009 3:57:43am |
re: #180 opnion
Yup, they would be called un-American, space alien ,Nazis.
Have you seen the clip of Pelosi saying that she likes disruptions?
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MandyManners Wed, Aug 19, 2009 3:57:53am |
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Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Aug 19, 2009 3:57:57am |
re: #185 MandyManners
I'm respirating, conscious and erect. How're you?
If I said that you would whack me. Not fair.
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MandyManners Wed, Aug 19, 2009 3:59:05am |
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Lucius Septimius Wed, Aug 19, 2009 4:02:02am |
re: #185 MandyManners
I'm respirating, conscious and erect. How're you?
The first two apply; the third requires more effort than it used to.
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MandyManners Wed, Aug 19, 2009 4:02:29am |
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MandyManners Wed, Aug 19, 2009 4:03:10am |
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MandyManners Wed, Aug 19, 2009 4:04:16am |
Dick head Franks chatises constituents for "yelling" but, he yells, too, and allows his delegate to act far, far worse than they did.
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MandyManners Wed, Aug 19, 2009 4:04:55am |
re: #191 Lucius Septimius
The first two apply; the third requires more effort than it used to.
They make meds for that nowadays.
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MandyManners Wed, Aug 19, 2009 4:05:48am |
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DrNaughty Wed, Aug 19, 2009 4:07:38am |
I've lived under 11 Presidents (since Ike), and only Obama glorifies in demonizing people or entities to push his policies.
The other 11 Presidents acted Presidential. This clown is simply a salesman.
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MandyManners Wed, Aug 19, 2009 4:07:44am |
Now Waxman and another critter are demanding that executives of insurance companies give up information about their pay.
Let's demonize another private sector.
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Lucius Septimius Wed, Aug 19, 2009 4:08:14am |
re: #195 MandyManners
They make meds for that nowadays.
And they're damned expensive too. No wonder the ads run at the same time as all the ones for "where to dump your portfolio now that the economy is in the tank and you still have to provide the trophy wife with shopping money whilst paying alimony to the two exes."
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MandyManners Wed, Aug 19, 2009 4:10:14am |
re: #200 Lucius Septimius
And they're damned expensive too. No wonder the ads run at the same time as all the ones for "where to dump your portfolio now that the economy is in the tank and you still have to provide the trophy wife with shopping money whilst paying alimony to the two exes."
A man with a trophy might just deserve to pay alimony to the one(s) he dumped.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Wed, Aug 19, 2009 4:11:44am |
This country has come to feel the same when Congress is in session as when the baby gets hold of a hammer.
"Give a child a hammer and the whole world becomes a nail."
-Tommy Smothers
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Lucius Septimius Wed, Aug 19, 2009 4:12:08am |
re: #201 MandyManners
A man with a trophy might just deserve to pay alimony to the one(s) he dumped.
Well sure. But that's an expensive lifestyle to maintain, especially in this market.
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DrNaughty Wed, Aug 19, 2009 4:13:07am |
re: #204 Lucius Septimius
Well sure. But that's an expensive lifestyle to maintain, especially in this market.
Especially since trophys usually are expensive to keep and maintain
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Lucius Septimius Wed, Aug 19, 2009 4:13:42am |
re: #205 DrNaughty
Especially since trophys usually are expensive to keep and maintain
They need to be buffed down regularly, I understand, to keep their shine.
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MandyManners Wed, Aug 19, 2009 4:13:46am |
re: #203 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
"Give a child a hammer and the whole world becomes a nail."
-Tommy Smothers
Would it hammer in the morning?Your text to link...
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Wed, Aug 19, 2009 4:13:48am |
re: #197 DrNaughty
Funny you should say that. I thought that Reagan was a great combination of Salesperson/Statesman.
He re-sold America to America.
And being a "Salesperson" is not necessarily a bad thing.
Ahem.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Aug 19, 2009 4:13:56am |
Nice job, AARP.
[Link: www.usatoday.com...]
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MandyManners Wed, Aug 19, 2009 4:14:37am |
re: #204 Lucius Septimius
Well sure. But that's an expensive lifestyle to maintain, especially in this market.
Shoulda' thought about that before he stuck his wahoo where it didn't belong.
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DrNaughty Wed, Aug 19, 2009 4:15:32am |
re: #208 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Funny you should say that. I thought that Reagan was a great combination of Salesperson/Statesman.
He re-sold America to America.
And being a "Salesperson" is not necessarily a bad thing.
Ahem.
While Obama sells snake oil.
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MandyManners Wed, Aug 19, 2009 4:17:02am |
re: #209 Cannadian Club Akbar
Nice job, AARP.
[Link: www.usatoday.com...]
Sixty thousand out of 40,000,000 isn't many at all.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Wed, Aug 19, 2009 4:17:19am |
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DrNaughty Wed, Aug 19, 2009 4:17:59am |
re: #212 MandyManners
Sixty thousand out of 40,000,000 isn't many at all.
I wonder how many leave each month due to end of life conditions?
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Lucius Septimius Wed, Aug 19, 2009 4:18:44am |
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Lucius Septimius Wed, Aug 19, 2009 4:21:09am |
Saw this in the letters section of the WSJ today:
After reading Daniel Henninger's "Will They Still Love Him Tomorrow?" (Wonder Land, Aug. 13), I cannot shake from my head the following lyric from Katy Perry's current hit, "Waking Up in Vegas": "And why, why am I wearing your class ring?" The lyric says it all about America's drunken, impulsive marriage to President Obama.
That last part nails it.
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MandyManners Wed, Aug 19, 2009 4:21:21am |
re: #214 DrNaughty
I wonder how many leave each month due to end of life conditions?
Do you mean death?
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MandyManners Wed, Aug 19, 2009 4:22:15am |
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DrNaughty Wed, Aug 19, 2009 4:24:24am |
re: #213 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Well. I don't disagree with that...
I thought about what you wrote. I wonder how Reagan would have used the internet?
Reagan had a product that most people wanted to buy into. Freedom, pride in being American and the fact that the United States was the torch of liberty those under Communism could look to.
Obama sells government control of people's lives, and that we apologize for being the leader of the Western Democracies and believing in foreign policies that promote economic and political freedom throughout the world.
Come to think of it I don't believe I've ever heard Obama use the words "freedom" or "liberty" in any of his daily pronouncements he makes on television every single day...
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DrNaughty Wed, Aug 19, 2009 4:24:40am |
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laZardo Wed, Aug 19, 2009 4:26:08am |
Good evening, Reptilia.
Remember "The Whole Foods Alternative to national health care?"
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Wed, Aug 19, 2009 4:26:40am |
re: #219 DrNaughty
Come to think of it I don't believe I've ever heard Obama use the words "freedom" or "liberty" in any of his daily pronouncements he makes on television every single day...
Freedom? Liberty? That's sooo "Once, America"...
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Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Aug 19, 2009 4:26:45am |
re: #219 DrNaughty
Reagans inagural speech in '81 was awesome. Zero's speech was shit. I thnk Zero wrote his own.
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laZardo Wed, Aug 19, 2009 4:27:49am |
re: #222 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Freedom? Liberty? That's sooo
"Once, America"...last Administration.
And you don't want to remember the last administration, do you?
/ q:
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DrNaughty Wed, Aug 19, 2009 4:27:52am |
re: #215 Lucius Septimius
Damn straight -- you need to be mighty careful hauling in your wahoo.
Mark Sandord makes me ashamed to admit I have my college degrees from The University of South Carolina.
Columbia was one of the better places I've lived over the years.. I look forwards when I get a chance to go back to USE and visit from time to time...
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Lucius Septimius Wed, Aug 19, 2009 4:29:46am |
re: #220 DrNaughty
Obamaspeak
Maybe they can call it "the Carousel Ceremony" where they decide who will "Renew." That would sound better.
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Pullus Iulius Wed, Aug 19, 2009 4:30:13am |
re: #210 MandyManners
Shoulda' thought about that before he stuck his wahoo where it didn't belong.
(Pretty much to the tune of Auld Lang Syne)
That good old song of Wah-hoo-wah,
We 'll sing it o 'er and o 'er.
It cheers our hearts and warms our blood
To hear them shout and roar.
We come from Old Virginia,
Where all is bright and gay.
Let's all join hands and give a yell,
For the dear old UVa.
Wah-hoo-wah,
Wah-hoo-wah.
Uni-v, Virginia,
Hoo-rah-ray,
Hoo-rah-ray,
Ray! Ray! U-V-A!
Careful: Side effects may include headaches, dry mouth, pregnancy and bad football.
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MandyManners Wed, Aug 19, 2009 4:30:44am |
re: #219 DrNaughty
I thought about what you wrote. I wonder how Reagan would have used the internet?
Reagan had a product that most people wanted to buy into. Freedom, pride in being American and the fact that the United States was the torch of liberty those under Communism could look to.
Obama sells government control of people's lives, and that we apologize for being the leader of the Western Democracies and believing in foreign policies that promote economic and political freedom throughout the world.
Come to think of it I don't believe I've ever heard Obama use the words "freedom" or "liberty" in any of his daily pronouncements he makes on television every single day...
He's a believer in positive liberty which is diametrically opposed to the negative liberty upon which this nation was founded.
[Link: www.americanthinker.com...]
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DrNaughty Wed, Aug 19, 2009 4:31:12am |
re: #226 Lucius Septimius
Maybe they can call it "the Carousel Ceremony" where they decide who will "Renew." That would sound better.
I can see the life crystals being mandated already
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Lucius Septimius Wed, Aug 19, 2009 4:32:50am |
re: #221 laZardo
Good evening, Reptilia.
Remember "The Whole Foods Alternative to national health care?"
The Wall Street Journal had a piece about this yesterday; the boycott is totally absurd and probably a carry-over from people being pissed about his union stance. In any event, once the summer produce stands close, will all the organic and boutique-food junkies really go back to shopping at Ingles?
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Millicent Islam Wed, Aug 19, 2009 4:32:59am |
re: #219 DrNaughty
Come to think of it I don't believe I've ever heard Obama use the words "freedom" or "liberty" in any of his daily pronouncements he makes on television every single day...
Bollocks. The worst kind of claptrap.
3 mentions of freedom and 2 of liberty in just his inaugural address.
I'm sure the words are liberally (heh) sprinkled throughout his many speeches. Why? Because all politicians do that. Criticise him on actions, not rhetoric.
If he used the words more, no doubt you'd complain about that too.
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MandyManners Wed, Aug 19, 2009 4:33:59am |
re: #228 MandyManners
He's a believer in positive liberty which is diametrically opposed to the negative liberty upon which this nation was founded.
[Link: www.americanthinker.com...]
[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]
[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]
NPR clip from 2001.
But the Supreme Court never ventured into the issues of redistribution of wealth and sort of more basic issues of political and economic justice in this society. And to that extent as radical as people tried to characterize the Warren court, it wasn’t that radical. It didn’t break free from the essential constraints that were placed by the founding fathers in the Constitution, at least as it’s been interpreted, and the Warren court interpreted it in the same way that generally the Constitution is a charter of negative liberties. It says what the states can’t do to you, it says what the federal government can’t do to you, but it doesn’t say what the federal government or the state government must do on your behalf. And that hasn’t shifted. One of the I think tragedies of the civil rights movement was because the civil rights movement became so court focused, I think that there was a tendency to lose track of the political and community organizing and activities on the ground that are able to put together the actual coalitions of power through which you bring about redistributed change and in some ways we still suffer from that.
[Link: socialize.morningstar.com...]
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DrNaughty Wed, Aug 19, 2009 4:34:30am |
re: #231 iceweasel
Bollocks. The worst kind of claptrap.
3 mentions of freedom and 2 of liberty in just his inaugural address.
I'm sure the words are liberally (heh) sprinkled throughout his many speeches. Why? Because all politicians do that. Criticise him on actions, not rhetoric.
If he used the words more, no doubt you'd complain about that too.
If Obama believed in freedom and liberty he wouldn't pursue the policies he sells.
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laZardo Wed, Aug 19, 2009 4:35:17am |
re: #229 DrNaughty
I can see the life crystals being mandated already
America must catch up with the rest of the world in constructing additional pylons.
/gamer mode :B
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Wed, Aug 19, 2009 4:35:30am |
re: #231 iceweasel
If he used the words more, no doubt you'd complain about that too.
Mornin' Baby!
You're probably right... Cause I just don't trust the guy. I'd like to trust the guy, I just don't trust the guy.
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Millicent Islam Wed, Aug 19, 2009 4:35:36am |
re: #233 DrNaughty
If Obama believed in freedom and liberty he wouldn't pursue the policies he sells.
That's better. At least, it's the beginning of a proper objection.
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DrNaughty Wed, Aug 19, 2009 4:35:48am |
JFK must be turning in his grave these days..
"Ask not what yoru country can do for you. Ask what you can do for your country..."...
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MandyManners Wed, Aug 19, 2009 4:36:39am |
I cannot find the clip in which FCBBHO says that the Constitution is flawed but, I have it somewhere. Hold on.
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laZardo Wed, Aug 19, 2009 4:37:12am |
re: #230 Lucius Septimius
I suspect they'll come crawling back when the heat's cooled off a bit. Someone's gotta sell those kind of crops to them.
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Millicent Islam Wed, Aug 19, 2009 4:37:48am |
re: #235 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Mornin' Baby!
You're probably right... Cause I just don't trust the guy. I'd like to trust the guy, I just don't trust the guy.
Hey you sexy bastard. ;)
Understandable enough. BTW, I'd criticise the hell out of him myself, as you know, on several issues involving freedom and liberty.
In many respects Obama is worse for civil liberties than Bush/Cheney. And there are many on the left who would agree with me on that.
How are you today?
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Lucius Septimius Wed, Aug 19, 2009 4:40:20am |
re: #240 laZardo
What's bizarre (or, maybe not so bizarre) is that his proposal was measured, thoughtful, and entirely reasonable. Perhaps that was the problem.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Wed, Aug 19, 2009 4:40:41am |
re: #241 iceweasel
The back still hurts, the face is scabbed up, but I sold 20,000.00 worth of stuff yesterday. So? Doing great!
"I'm thuper! Thankth for athking!"
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Bloodnok Wed, Aug 19, 2009 4:41:35am |
re: #243 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
The back still hurts, the face is scabbed up, but I sold 20,000.00 worth of stuff yesterday. So? Doing great!
"I'm thuper! Thankth for athking!"
Good to hear!
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DrNaughty Wed, Aug 19, 2009 4:41:58am |
re: #243 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
The back still hurts, the face is scabbed up, but I sold 20,000.00 worth of stuff yesterday. So? Doing great!
"I'm thuper! Thankth for athking!"
Outstanding !
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Millicent Islam Wed, Aug 19, 2009 4:42:35am |
re: #243 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
The back still hurts, the face is scabbed up, but I sold 20,000.00 worth of stuff yesterday. So? Doing great!
"I'm thuper! Thankth for athking!"
Wow! That's great! (not the back still hurting, but the sales!)
And I love you even more than ever for the SP reference.
{FBV}
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MandyManners Wed, Aug 19, 2009 4:42:43am |
re: #239 MandyManners
I cannot find the clip in which FCBBHO says that the Constitution is flawed but, I have it somewhere. Hold on.
Oh, I give up.
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laZardo Wed, Aug 19, 2009 4:43:15am |
re: #242 Lucius Septimius
What's bizarre (or, maybe not so bizarre) is that his proposal was measured, thoughtful, and entirely reasonable. Perhaps that was the problem.
Nah, he was a corporate CEO. That makes his opinions on the system detrimental and invalid by default of "system ownership."
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MandyManners Wed, Aug 19, 2009 4:44:27am |
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Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Aug 19, 2009 4:45:14am |
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MandyManners Wed, Aug 19, 2009 4:47:04am |
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MandyManners Wed, Aug 19, 2009 4:47:38am |
Reid calls citizens who question him over health insurance "evil mongers".
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thedopefishlives Wed, Aug 19, 2009 4:47:49am |
re: #253 MandyManners
Morning Mandy. Of course, we've all seen the picture of the lady working the Obama campaign desk with the picture of Che over her shoulder, right?
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Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Aug 19, 2009 4:48:03am |
re: #253 MandyManners
Oh, my stars! I've never seen that before.
IIRC, he has talked about remaking America.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Wed, Aug 19, 2009 4:49:22am |
re: #255 thedopefishlives
Yesterday, I saw an ad for a Che Guevera T-shirt with a picture of Che Guevera wearing a Che Guevera T-shirt.
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thedopefishlives Wed, Aug 19, 2009 4:50:16am |
re: #257 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Yesterday, I saw an ad for a Che Guevera T-shirt with a picture of Che Guevera wearing a Che Guevera T-shirt.
Bonus points for managing to use Che Guevera three times in one sentence.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Wed, Aug 19, 2009 4:50:34am |
re: #257 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Now... you try to use Che Guevera three times in a sentence.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Wed, Aug 19, 2009 4:50:58am |
re: #258 thedopefishlives
Bonus points for managing to use Che Guevera three times in one sentence.
GMTA
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thedopefishlives Wed, Aug 19, 2009 4:51:47am |
re: #259 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Now... you try to use Che Guevera three times in a sentence.
Are you kidding? I have a hard enough time just saying his name ONCE. Yuck.
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midwestgak Wed, Aug 19, 2009 4:53:32am |
re: #249 MandyManners
Oh, I give up.
Morning Mandy. Google "Obama says constitution is flawed." You Tube. I'ld post it if I knew how.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Aug 19, 2009 4:54:16am |
re: #255 thedopefishlives
Morning Mandy. Of course, we've all seen the picture of the lady working the Obama campaign desk with the picture of Che over her shoulder, right?
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laZardo Wed, Aug 19, 2009 4:54:51am |
re: #257 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
So I was waiting for the light rail one night when this out-of-towner guy asks me if "this is the train for [part of city where he was going]." I told him that the train he wanted was on the other platform.
So the guy then jumps the track. Guards catch him on the other platform, and the guard on my platform asks me a few questions. He lets me go on my merry way after I tell him I don't know the guy.
I found it ironic that he was wearing a Che Guevara t-shirt, mine was this USA t-shirt with an Air Force roundel that I've had for a while. Huh.
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reine.de.tout Wed, Aug 19, 2009 4:55:16am |
re: #239 MandyManners
I cannot find the clip in which FCBBHO says that the Constitution is flawed but, I have it somewhere. Hold on.
Is this it?
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Flyers1974 Wed, Aug 19, 2009 4:55:34am |
re: #239 MandyManners
I cannot find the clip in which FCBBHO says that the Constitution is flawed but, I have it somewhere. Hold on.
It is flawed. For example, what precisely is the "freedom" in the "freedom of speech" clause of the first amendment? Since this is impossible to define from the plain language, judges must decide - to legislate in other words. Not that there is a better alternative out there, but it is flawed.
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laZardo Wed, Aug 19, 2009 4:56:58am |
re: #266 Flyers1974
There would be a difference between "flawed" as in it's flexible that it can be reinterpreted to cover all the bases, and "flawed" that it can be further amended (relatively speaking?) to cover what's missing.
I think. :B
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midwestgak Wed, Aug 19, 2009 4:57:23am |
re: #265 reine.de.tout
Morning {reine}. Please check your email.
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Millicent Islam Wed, Aug 19, 2009 5:00:11am |
re: #259 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Now... you try to use Che Guevera three times in a sentence.
Che sells socialist cells, down by the seashore...
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reine.de.tout Wed, Aug 19, 2009 5:00:33am |
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Wed, Aug 19, 2009 5:01:03am |
re: #271 iceweasel
Che sells socialist cells, down by the seashore...
Che shills shells down by the seashore...
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Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Aug 19, 2009 5:01:44am |
re: #271 iceweasel
Che sells socialist cells, down by the seashore...
Someone posted a "Che is a D***bag" button the other day. I couldn't find it online.
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MandyManners Wed, Aug 19, 2009 5:02:26am |
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thedopefishlives Wed, Aug 19, 2009 5:02:43am |
re: #274 Cannadian Club Akbar
Someone posted a "Che is a D***bag" button the other day. I couldn't find it online.
I could use one of those. Living in Minnesota has a few disadvantages.
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DrNaughty Wed, Aug 19, 2009 5:03:24am |
re: #273 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Che shills shells down by the seashore...
Che gives shells down by the seashore to the proletariat for them to use as weapons in their struggle against the bourgeoisie
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3 wood Wed, Aug 19, 2009 5:03:44am |
Good morning.
Look for another pull back in the market today.
H-P earnings fall 19% as PC, printing sales weaken
Hewlett-Packard Co. on Tuesday said fiscal third-quarter earnings fell 19% as sales of PCs, printers and software all declined in the recession, though the results beat Wall Street's low outlook and the company offered predictions for better fourth quarter earnings than expected.H-P (HPQ 43.05, -0.91, -2.07%) said it earned $1.6 billion, or 67 cents a share, on revenue of $27.5 billion. During the same period a year ago, H-P earned $2 billion, or 80 cents a share, on $28 billion in revenue.
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MandyManners Wed, Aug 19, 2009 5:04:00am |
Reine, yes, it is. I couldn't find it in my links so I Googled "Constitution flawed obama".
Gotta' feed the hordes.
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BlueCanuck Wed, Aug 19, 2009 5:04:18am |
Good morning all. Another day, another buck seventy-five.
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Millicent Islam Wed, Aug 19, 2009 5:04:45am |
re: #273 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Che shills shells down by the seashore...
Dang. After I hit post I thought, hey I should have worked 'shill' in there!
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Van Helsing Wed, Aug 19, 2009 5:06:59am |
Something to mull Burt Rutan on climate change
Post and run, the grind awaits.
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3 wood Wed, Aug 19, 2009 5:09:29am |
U.S. stock index futures point lower
U.S. stock index futures fell Wednesday, pointing to a lower open for Wall Street following another in a recent string of sharp drops by Chinese shares.
Futures on the S&P 500 index fell 9 points to 980.60, while Nasdaq 100 futures dropped 18.25 points to 1,568.75. Futures on the Dow Jones Industrial Average fell 74 points.
Prepare to see a prolonged weakness in the market for a while. Also prepare to see conservatives blamed for everything, that they inherited it, it's not Obama's fault, more Palinizing and claiming that getting socialist health care is a moral issue. .
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Bloodnok Wed, Aug 19, 2009 5:10:28am |
re: #271 iceweasel
Che sells socialist cells, down by the seashore...
I was thinking more: "Che shills chichi show-off shirts by the shitload"
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Flyers1974 Wed, Aug 19, 2009 5:11:40am |
I assume he was speaking about the constitution's recognition of slavery, the video wasn't clear. I don't see anything controversial in his remarks.
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Walter L. Newton Wed, Aug 19, 2009 5:11:49am |
re: #284 3 wood
U.S. stock index futures point lower
Prepare to see a prolonged weakness in the market for a while. Also prepare to see conservatives blamed for everything, that they inherited it, it's not Obama's fault, more Palinizing and claiming that getting socialist health care is a moral issue. .
You mean a normal MSM news cycle...
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Millicent Islam Wed, Aug 19, 2009 5:12:45am |
re: #285 Bloodnok
I was thinking more: "Che shills chichi show-off shirts by the shitload"
Bonus points for working in 'shitload'. ;)
How are you today, beloved bloodnok?
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MandyManners Wed, Aug 19, 2009 5:14:36am |
re: #289 taxfreekiller
43 Drug Cartel related deaths on the Texas/Mexico border in the last 4 days. Now just random shooting at cars passing by, lady and her kids killed by random shooting on highway near border.
Keep your heads in the sand, thats working just fine uh?
I am truly surprised that FCBBHO has not gone after the Second Amendment over this.
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wahabicorridor Wed, Aug 19, 2009 5:15:54am |
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laZardo Wed, Aug 19, 2009 5:17:42am |
re: #293 taxfreekiller
It is the Democrat Party new improved commie vote base they are allowing in, O hole lust for them, it is the way to power for the "COMMIE" Donks.
And on that note, Happy Hump Day!
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Walter L. Newton Wed, Aug 19, 2009 5:18:33am |
Amazing. The progressives have been complaining that all the push back they have been getting in regards to health care reform proposals, whining that it is really not grass roots, organized by big money interest and as Pelozi says, it's un-American, yet read this sentence from a Washington Post article...
"In search of new momentum, Obama plans to discuss the matter Thursday with thousands of his most loyal supporters in a nationwide "strategy call" hosted by Organizing for America, a grass-roots arm of the Democratic National Committee."
Hmmm... this "strategy call" is organized, grass roots and financed by big money.
Yet I have yet to have anyone show me all the organization and big money that is motivating the conservative protests.
Hypocrites.
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midwestgak Wed, Aug 19, 2009 5:19:59am |
re: #290 MandyManners
I am truly surprised that FCBBHO has not gone after the Second Amendment over this.
Could it be that his healthcare forest fire is using all his resources? All his fire fighters are busy trying to put that one out. An NRA fire would further deplete his efforts to quench it. Just a thought.
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Millicent Islam Wed, Aug 19, 2009 5:22:00am |
re: #296 Walter L. Newton
Amazing. The progressives have been complaining that all the push back they have been getting in regards to health care reform proposals, whining that it is really not grass roots, organized by big money interest and as Pelozi says, it's un-American, yet read this sentence from a Washington Post article...
"In search of new momentum, Obama plans to discuss the matter Thursday with thousands of his most loyal supporters in a nationwide "strategy call" hosted by Organizing for America, a grass-roots arm of the Democratic National Committee."
Hmmm... this "strategy call" is organized, grass roots and financed by big money.
Yet I have yet to have anyone show me all the organization and big money that is motivating the conservative protests.
'Organising for America' is actually the outgrowth of Obama's campaign network. The strategy call is with progressive bloggers, activists, etc.
There's extensive evidence about the health insurance industry funding and organising the conservative protests. This is not to say that every person showing up is a plant, or paid-- but they're ordinary people who are being manipulated, lied to, and bussed in by people with anything but an objective agenda.
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gonecamping Wed, Aug 19, 2009 5:23:00am |
And along that analogy, I think a chimpanzee with a typewriter could have come up with a better health care bill.
re: #2 Abu Al-Poopypants
Will, a baby with a hammer is more likely to do something constructive.
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Bloodnok Wed, Aug 19, 2009 5:23:13am |
re: #288 iceweasel
Bonus points for working in 'shitload'. ;)
How are you today, beloved bloodnok?
I'm great, guerrilla my dreams!
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Aye Pod Wed, Aug 19, 2009 5:23:14am |
[Link: www.hurryupharry.org...]
The truth is out there?
The UK National Archives has produced a video to accompany its latest release of unclassified documents relating to UFO sightings.
I especially admire the kinetic sketches and the periodic “X-Files”-style musical refrain. It turns out the was a big spike in reported sightings when the TV series was being shown in Britain. What is there about that tune that almost makes you want to believe that crap?
Finally, does it surprise anyone that when you type “ufos” and “zionist” into Google, you get 1,400,000 hits?
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Walter L. Newton Wed, Aug 19, 2009 5:24:30am |
re: #300 iceweasel
'Organising for America' is actually the outgrowth of Obama's campaign network. The strategy call is with progressive bloggers, activists, etc.
There's extensive evidence about the health insurance industry funding and organising the conservative protests. This is not to say that every person showing up is a plant, or paid-- but they're ordinary people who are being manipulated, lied to, and bussed in by people with anything but an objective agenda.
I have been asking for links, evidence, for a week now. I'm not saying that it's not possible, in some cases I wouldn't be surprised if it wasn't.
But the general spin is that it's almost ALL organized. I want to see the scary big conservative organizations behind all this.
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3 wood Wed, Aug 19, 2009 5:24:58am |
re: #296 Walter L. Newton
Yet I have yet to have anyone show me all the organization and big money that is motivating the conservative protests.Hypocrites.
It's OK when they do it Walter.
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3 wood Wed, Aug 19, 2009 5:26:54am |
re: #300 iceweasel
but they're ordinary people who are being manipulated, lied to, and bussed in by people with anything but an objective agenda.
ACORN is bussing people to some of these meetings.
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Millicent Islam Wed, Aug 19, 2009 5:27:54am |
re: #304 Walter L. Newton
I have been asking for links, evidence, for a week now. I'm not saying that it's not possible, in some cases I wouldn't be surprised if it wasn't.
But the general spin is that it's almost ALL organized. I want to see the scary big conservative organizations behind all this.
Ok-- I'm busy watching (and loving) this UFO link of Jimmah's. Give me a few minutes and I'll put together a bunch of links for you.
It really does look like extensive outside organisation is going on, from what I've seen.
i know freedomworks is extensively involved-- they're bad news. (links in a bit)
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Millicent Islam Wed, Aug 19, 2009 5:28:16am |
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3 wood Wed, Aug 19, 2009 5:29:46am |
Buffett: Economy May Mend, But Inflation Will Wound
One part of the article was predictable. Buffett feels that rising government borrowing will eventually cause inflation. He goes through an elaborate explanation to get to that point.
Buffett’s other observation is new. After months of voicing concerns about the recession, the man considered by many to be the greatest investor in America writes “The United States economy is now out of the emergency room and appears to be on a slow path to recovery.”
The trouble is that, if Buffett is right about the future, it may look like the last 1970s. After a deep recession, caused in part by the Arab oil embargo, monetary stimulus and government spending pushed inflation into the double digits topping out in 1980 at 13.5%. It was a level not seen in decades and one which has not been seen since.
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BlueCanuck Wed, Aug 19, 2009 5:31:03am |
re: #300 iceweasel
Ice, just a small question. How come when ever I see a conservative protest most of the signs are hand made, and when I see a liberal/democrat protest against government most of the signs are professionally done? Who's funding who?
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Walter L. Newton Wed, Aug 19, 2009 5:31:04am |
re: #308 iceweasel
Ok-- I'm busy watching (and loving) this UFO link of Jimmah's. Give me a few minutes and I'll put together a bunch of links for you.
It really does look like extensive outside organisation is going on, from what I've seen.
i know freedomworks is extensively involved-- they're bad news. (links in a bit)
Good, thanks.
I will be walking the three dogs in a bit, so, I'll get you links as soon as I can and go over them with you in a while.
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Aye Pod Wed, Aug 19, 2009 5:32:08am |
re: #271 iceweasel
Che sells socialist cells, down by the seashore...
iceweasel! How are you this morning?
Thought this might amuse you:
[Link: news.bbc.co.uk...]
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3 wood Wed, Aug 19, 2009 5:32:16am |
Pimco Says Dollar to Weaken as Reserve Status Erodes
Aug. 19 (Bloomberg) -- Pacific Investment Management Co., which runs the world’s biggest bond fund, said the dollar will weaken as the U.S. pumps “massive” amounts of money into the economy.
The dollar will drop the most against emerging-market counterparts, Curtis A. Mewbourne, a Pimco portfolio manager, wrote in a report on the company’s Web site. The greenback is losing its status as the world’s reserve currency, he said.
“Investors should consider whether it makes sense to take advantage of any periods of U.S. dollar strength to diversify their currency exposure,” Mewbourne wrote in his August Emerging Markets Watch report. “The massive amounts of U.S. dollar liquidity produced in response to the crisis” have helped reduce demand for the currency, he wrote.
In other words, the money market is flooded with dollars.
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Flyers1974 Wed, Aug 19, 2009 5:33:32am |
re: #305 taxfreekiller
there are paid Obama shills posting on little green foot balls imo
Do you think he's getting his money's worth?
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Millicent Islam Wed, Aug 19, 2009 5:33:48am |
re: #312 Walter L. Newton
Good, thanks.
I will be walking the three dogs in a bit, so, I'll get you links as soon as I can and go over them with you in a while.
Cool, I look forward to talking with you about it-- it might be later today or possibly tomorrow am, but I'll definitely put it all together for you. (Doing a few things here at the mo, I'd rather give you a good set of links and be totally up to date than give you just the two or three I could grab immediately.)
Also, watching the UFO vid!
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Spenser (with an S) Wed, Aug 19, 2009 5:33:56am |
re: #300 iceweasel
but they're ordinary people who are being manipulated, lied to, and bussed in by people with anything but an objective agenda.
You just described 51% of the voters last Nov., IMO. Seriously.
Why is a person who receives an email or call describing a situation (whatever you and I think about it) and then thinks it over and is moved to attend a rally and express their opinion a manipulated patsy?
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3 wood Wed, Aug 19, 2009 5:34:17am |
Folks, you have to get with the indoctrination program. When the left does extensive outside organization, it's OK.
When the right does it, it's bad news.
Got it?
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Spenser (with an S) Wed, Aug 19, 2009 5:35:57am |
re: #319 3 wood
Got it?
Yes Sir! I will get my mind right (left?), Sir! I do not want to sound like an uneducated far-righter, Sir!
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midwestgak Wed, Aug 19, 2009 5:36:10am |
re: #315 BXEKLT
I do not like it when government forces us to buy something. They should force us all to buy guns. That would be more constitutional than forcing us to buy health insurance.
You contradict yourself.
I do not like it when government forces us . . .
They should force us all . . .
Huh?
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Aye Pod Wed, Aug 19, 2009 5:36:16am |
re: #305 taxfreekiller
there are paid Obama shills posting on little green foot balls imo
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Mithrax Wed, Aug 19, 2009 5:37:15am |
re: #319 3 wood
Folks, you have to get with the indoctrination program. When the left does extensive outside organization, it's OK.
When the right does it, it's bad news.
Got it?
I am not a number!
I am a ...ooh shiny!
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Gang of One Wed, Aug 19, 2009 5:37:19am |
re: #303 Jimmah
Finally, does it surprise anyone that when you type “ufos” and “zionist” into Google, you get 1,400,000 hits?
I googled 'zionist ufos' and got 26,200 hits. Teh Stupid is out there.
/Mornin' everyone!
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3 wood Wed, Aug 19, 2009 5:37:20am |
Buffett Says Federal Debt Poses Risks to Economy
Aug. 19 (Bloomberg) -- The U.S. must address the massive amounts of “monetary medicine” that have been pumped into the financial system and now pose threats to the world’s largest economy and its currency, billionaire Warren Buffett said.
The “gusher of federal money” has rescued the financial system and the U.S. economy is now on a slow path to recovery, Buffett wrote in a New York Times commentary yesterday. While he applauds measures adopted by the Federal Reserve and officials from the Bush and Obama administrations, Buffett says the U.S. is fiscally in “uncharted territory.”
The government is trying to spark business and consumer spending through a $787 billion stimulus plan spanning tax cuts and infrastructure projects, while the Treasury and the Fed have spent billions more on separate programs to rescue financial institutions and resuscitate the banking system. The U.S. budget deficit is forecast to reach a record $1.841 trillion in the year that ends Sept. 30.
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Millicent Islam Wed, Aug 19, 2009 5:37:49am |
re: #322 Jimmah
[Link: i238.photobucket.com...]
'Morning, Jimmah-cakes. ;) How are you?
I bookmarked that image the first time i saw you use it here and it still makes me laugh!
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wahabicorridor Wed, Aug 19, 2009 5:43:05am |
Divers swimming with a humpback whale
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Millicent Islam Wed, Aug 19, 2009 5:45:17am |
re: #318 Spenser (with an S)
You just described 51% of the voters last Nov., IMO. Seriously.
This kind of demonisation, and deprecating, of the American electorate is exactly what many on the left did in 2000 and 2004 about Bush voters: Oh they're stupid, they're hicks, they're ignorant rednecks...
Seriously.
I didn't think it was cool then, and I don't now. Also, worth noting that making those kinds of excuses for having lost an election doesn't help you win the next one-- not til you start thinking that maybe you lost the election because people didn't like what the party was selling.
Why is a person who receives an email or call describing a situation (whatever you and I think about it) and then thinks it over and is moved to attend a rally and express their opinion a manipulated patsy?
When they've been lied to, they're manipulated. Witness the many seniors at these townhalls, on Medicare, raving about government healthcare.
BTW, another question: why is it that "the uhmerkin pee-pul' are considered fonts of homespun wisdom when they like Palin, or are Joe the Plumber, but are 'ignorant, deluded' and worse when they elect a progressive candidate?
Food for thought.
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SasquatchOnSteroids Wed, Aug 19, 2009 5:46:06am |
re: #319 3 wood
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kansas Wed, Aug 19, 2009 5:46:46am |
Well, I see the public option is not dead, the Dems double flip flopped, and will tell a majority of Americans to stick it. Nice.
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Gang of One Wed, Aug 19, 2009 5:46:56am |
Just for shitzengiggles, I checked out one of the links I found. This one's got all the top meme's, including Obama=Lizard Alien.
/Un. Be. Lieve. Able.
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laZardo Wed, Aug 19, 2009 5:47:31am |
re: #329 iceweasel
Mind, the elderly have a right to be concerned. They consistently provide some of the highest voter turnout in an election, so they have a right to know where their money's going and how badly it's bleeding out of the programs that are supposed to insure them especially since there will be a lot more elderly population as the Baby Boomers age.
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Aye Pod Wed, Aug 19, 2009 5:47:47am |
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laZardo Wed, Aug 19, 2009 5:49:31am |
re: #332 Gang of One
Everyone knows Nibiru and Planet X are actually the galaxy's largest tailgating parties for the Milky Way MegaBowl's biggest rivals. So large, in fact, that they managed to get themselves exempt from the usual tailgating convoy regulations through the use of planetary matter. q;
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kcladderman Wed, Aug 19, 2009 5:49:32am |
re: #289 taxfreekiller
43 Drug Cartel related deaths on the Texas/Mexico border in the last 4 days. Now just random shooting at cars passing by, lady and her kids killed by random shooting on highway near border.
Keep your heads in the sand, thats working just fine uh?
Don't you know they wouldn't be able to shoot innocent women and children if us evil Americans didn't have all of these guns.
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jamgarr Wed, Aug 19, 2009 5:50:15am |
Prostate evicted a week ago today. To the office today (but probably not for long).
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Spenser (with an S) Wed, Aug 19, 2009 5:51:02am |
re: #329 iceweasel
Hence my "IMO". Obviously, I think they were given bad info and made a mistake. I was trying to get you to look in the mirror. When you say "ordinary people who are being manipulated, lied to, and bussed in by people with anything but an objective agenda." you are being hugely subjective. You really can't see that?
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Aye Pod Wed, Aug 19, 2009 5:53:38am |
re: #324 Gang of One
I googled 'zionist ufos' and got 26,200 hits. Teh Stupid is out there.
/Mornin' everyone!
It's out there and spreading. How do you sell 'NWO' type paranoia to the readers of right wing websites? Easy as it turns out - just make Obama the evil shape shifting reptile in chief instead of Bush, and you're there.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Wed, Aug 19, 2009 5:53:48am |
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Mithrax Wed, Aug 19, 2009 5:55:30am |
re: #340 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
"Let angels prostate fall..."
That hymn is how we know that angels are men.
I think you mean "Prostrate" ;)
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jamgarr Wed, Aug 19, 2009 5:55:35am |
re: #340 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
"Let angels prostate fall..."
That hymn is how we know that angels are men.
My favorite is:
You're losin' 'em
You're losin' 'em
Lift up your skirt and see
Your right hose, Anna, is the highest
The left one's fallin' down your knee
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Sharmuta Wed, Aug 19, 2009 5:56:36am |
re: #329 iceweasel
This kind of demonisation, and deprecating, of the American electorate is exactly what many on the left did in 2000 and 2004 about Bush voters: Oh they're stupid, they're hicks, they're ignorant rednecks...
That's a good point, iDub. The demonization of the other side is problematic because it makes our fellow Americans enemies. They don't want to destroy America, they just have different ideas (which are wrong!:p ).
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Gang of One Wed, Aug 19, 2009 5:57:00am |
re: #339 Jimmah
It's out there and spreading. How do you sell 'NWO' type paranoia to the readers of right wing websites? Easy as it turns out - just make Obama the evil shape shifting reptile in chief instead of Bush, and you're there.
We will have to read this book to know our enemy.
/It scares me. It really does.
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Killian Bundy Wed, Aug 19, 2009 5:57:52am |
David Axelrod's ties targeted in health fight
Critics of President Obama’s health-care overhaul are zeroing in on his senior adviser David Axelrod, whose former partners at a Chicago-based firm are the beneficiaries of huge ad buys—now at $24 million and counting—by White House allies in the reform fight.
The unwelcome scrutiny, largely from Republicans, comes at an inopportune time as Obama seeks to shore up support for health care reform. It revolves around two separate $12 million ad campaigns advocating Obama’s health care plan that were produced and placed partly by AKPD Message and Media, a firm founded by Axelrod that employs his son and still owes Axelrod $2 million.
The Chicago way, now isn't that cozy?
/Karl Rove would have a special prosecutor on his ass for something like this
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Leonidas Hoplite Wed, Aug 19, 2009 5:58:13am |
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Aye Pod Wed, Aug 19, 2009 5:58:14am |
re: #326 iceweasel
I bookmarked that image the first time i saw you use it here and it still makes me laugh!
Here's another from the same artist:
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reine.de.tout Wed, Aug 19, 2009 5:58:30am |
re: #338 Spenser (with an S)
Hence my "IMO". Obviously, I think they were given bad info and made a mistake. I was trying to get you to look in the mirror. When you say "ordinary people who are being manipulated, lied to, and bussed in by people with anything but an objective agenda." you are being hugely subjective. You really can't see that?
Neither those who are pro government healthcare nor those who are against governmental health care have an "objective" agenda. I just keep wondering why the "agenda" suspect only when a person is anti-government healthcare?
Whether or not there is a specific point that has been misunderstood ("death" panels), the fact is that this sweeping overhaul and change of our system is not good for this country, imo. People focus on the specific points because they are unable to comprehend and fight the entire 1,000 pages of change.
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SurferDoc Wed, Aug 19, 2009 5:58:38am |
re: #337 jamgarr
Prostate evicted a week ago today. To the office today (but probably not for long).
Good luck and speedy recovery!
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Millicent Islam Wed, Aug 19, 2009 5:59:17am |
re: #338 Spenser (with an S)
When you say "ordinary people who are being manipulated, lied to, and bussed in by people with anything but an objective agenda." you are being hugely subjective. You really can't see that?
No, I disagree. I hate doing this because it's kind of unfair-- I don't (at this second) have the time to put together all the links I'd like to document the astroturfing going on, and I don't like only throwing out a couple of links. But here's a fast one.
I mentioned freedomworks as one of the places heavily involved--- check out this guy too, Rick Scott, founder of the "Conservatives for Patient's Rights". Sounds innocuous right? Not so:
CNN’s Rick Sanchez ripped into Conservatives for Patients’ Rights founder Rick Scott today over his anti-health care reform advocacy efforts. Sanchez pointed out that Hospital Corporation of America/Columbia Hospital Corporation, which Scott founded, was charged with defrauding the government for more than a decade and had to pay the government a record $1.7 billion. “Some would argue, and it would be hard to say they’re wrong,” said Sanchez, “that you would be the poster child for everything that’s wrong with the greed that has hurt our current health care system.” Scott responded by pointing out that other companies also had to pay fines, which Sanchez responded was exactly the reason health care reform was so necessary:
How much more wrong can you be than what you just said? Not only is your company screwed up — and you just admitted to it — and you’re saying, look at all the other companies, they did the same thing! That doesn’t sound to me like a sterling system that we have, does it?
CNN’s Rick Sanchez leaves Rick Scott fumbling to justify his health care corruption.
Video and more documentation at link.
BTW-- i expect political parties to get involved in getting their people out. It's when the corporations and special interests get involved under the guise of being 'independent' that I get testy.
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bloodnok Wed, Aug 19, 2009 6:02:24am |
re: #343 Sharmuta
That's a good point, iDub. The demonization of the other side is problematic because it makes our fellow Americans enemies. They don't want to destroy America, they just have different ideas (which are wrong!:p ).
Good morning !
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laZardo Wed, Aug 19, 2009 6:06:26am |
re: #350 iceweasel
While Rick Scott's company practices may have been less than sterling, the point of the presentation it seems is to reaffirm to viewing audiences that the health-care companies are paying fines because on the whole deliberately (and without being "forced") defraud their patience.
By further using Rick Scott as the example of a critic they can also create the perception that any criticism of a "universal" public health-care option is also siding with the corporations.
/i think. :B
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BlueCanuck Wed, Aug 19, 2009 6:06:35am |
re: #350 iceweasel
Good point there. Special interest groups are always suspect on both sides. I also look at unions as special interest groups as well btw. :)
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Flyers1974 Wed, Aug 19, 2009 6:06:38am |
re: #305 taxfreekiller
there are paid Obama shills posting on little green foot balls imo
Dear Mr. T. F. Killer:
Your opinion counts! In order to ensure quality, the Obama administration would appreciate if you would take the time in completing a short survey. All of your answers will remain confidential.
(1) The paid shills at LGF arrive on time:
(a) Almost always;
(b) Most of the time, but there's room for improvement;
(c) Some of the time;
(d) Almost never. They're lazy bastards.
(2) The paid shrills at at LGF Provide useful information and witty anecdotes:
(a) Almost always, they are near geniuses;
(b) Sometimes, depending on the shill;
(c) Never, they're all dumb as dirt;
(3) The paid shrills at LGF are clean and polite:
(a) Always, I'm impressed!;
(b) Sometimes. More training is required.
(c) Never. They are filthy hippies with atrocious manners.
(1) The paid shrills at LGF have convinced you to change your political views:
(a) On every issue. I now renounce the second amendment;
(b) On some issues. Maybe the decision not to bomb n. Korea was o.k.
(c) Not at all. They are all incompetent hacks. Cut their pay in half immediately.
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Millicent Islam Wed, Aug 19, 2009 6:07:03am |
re: #343 Sharmuta
That's a good point, iDub. The demonization of the other side is problematic because it makes our fellow Americans enemies. They don't want to destroy America, they just have different ideas (which are wrong!:p ).
Sharm-Wow! good morning!
yeah, I've been thinking about this a lot. There's a tendency on both the left and right to view the other side as evil and as not acting in good faith. So you get Republicans saying that librhuls hate america and are liars, and Democrats saying that conservatives are nasty ignorant people who hate the poor (to take just two stereotypes).
What bothers me at least as much as the stereotyping is this assumption of bad faith. That is, why assume your opponent is lying? Can't we agree that conservatives and liberals both love their country, are all Americans, and want what's best for it? Conservatives aren't necessarily evil people who love war for its own sake just cos they favour strong national defence. Similarly, liberals aren't America hating traitors.
That's the kind of polarisation that really gets me down.
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Bloodnok Wed, Aug 19, 2009 6:08:20am |
re: #353 Sharmuta
Good morning to you!
Would you like me more if I had lime green pants like George has? (and who says I don't already have them...)
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Millicent Islam Wed, Aug 19, 2009 6:09:09am |
re: #356 BlueCanuck
Good point there. Special interest groups are always suspect on both sides. I also look at unions as special interest groups as well btw. :)
Hey BC. :) Believe it or not, I had the union example in the back of my head too. i reckoned someone would bring it up soon!
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Spenser (with an S) Wed, Aug 19, 2009 6:09:23am |
re: #350 iceweasel
BTW-- i expect political parties to get involved in getting their people out. It's when the corporations and special interests get involved under the guise of being 'independent' that I get testy.
Well, I see you've just been a member since this spring but with that reasonable approach I'm sure you would have been posting outrage at all the ACORN and union and Soros, etc.. $, manipulation and bussing that went on prior to the election in Nov., right? Let's just say I'm a tad skeptical but I won't go farther than that in fairness to you.
BTW, I just noticed that your karma is crazy good compared to mine. This is a very fair-minded site.
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albusteve Wed, Aug 19, 2009 6:10:17am |
more executive slime mongering...Axelrod the drug whore
[Link: hughhewitt.townhall.com...]
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lincolntf Wed, Aug 19, 2009 6:10:41am |
Morning all.
Remember the "Old" Black Panthers? This guy, Nelson Malloy, has been on my new City's Council for a couple decades. I did not know that. Colorful past, one might say.
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Sharmuta Wed, Aug 19, 2009 6:10:51am |
re: #359 Bloodnok
Would you like me more if I had lime green pants like George has? (and who says I don't already have them...)
No- I would just steal the pants for my own rooftop concert. :p
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BlueCanuck Wed, Aug 19, 2009 6:11:47am |
re: #361 Spenser (with an S)
Well you have to admit Iceweasel is feisty, almost always backs up her points, makes funny and fun comments. Otherwise just like a regular poster here overall. We just don't have to agree all the time.
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Leonidas Hoplite Wed, Aug 19, 2009 6:11:56am |
re: #356 BlueCanuck
Good point there. Special interest groups are always suspect on both sides. I also look at unions as special interest groups as well btw. :)
Don't forget the trial lawyers.
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Bloodnok Wed, Aug 19, 2009 6:12:01am |
re: #358 iceweasel
Sharm-Wow! good morning!
yeah, I've been thinking about this a lot. There's a tendency on both the left and right to view the other side as evil and as not acting in good faith. So you get Republicans saying that librhuls hate america and are liars, and Democrats saying that conservatives are nasty ignorant people who hate the poor (to take just two stereotypes).
What bothers me at least as much as the stereotyping is this assumption of bad faith. That is, why assume your opponent is lying? Can't we agree that conservatives and liberals both love their country, are all Americans, and want what's best for it? Conservatives aren't necessarily evil people who love war for its own sake just cos they favour strong national defence. Similarly, liberals aren't America hating traitors.
That's the kind of polarisation that really gets me down.
These are the things that need to be discussed further. It's a threadworthy topic, IMO.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Wed, Aug 19, 2009 6:13:31am |
Okay, check the Drudge headline.
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Spenser (with an S) Wed, Aug 19, 2009 6:14:58am |
re: #365 BlueCanuck
Well you have to admit Iceweasel is feisty, almost always backs up her points, makes funny and fun comments. Otherwise just like a regular poster here overall. We just don't have to agree all the time.
I do admit it (with the slight emphasis above).
/
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Wed, Aug 19, 2009 6:15:04am |
re: #368 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Okay, check the Drudge headline.
Oh, sorry. Same shit, different day.
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Sharmuta Wed, Aug 19, 2009 6:15:48am |
re: #361 Spenser (with an S)
BTW, I just noticed that your karma is crazy good compared to mine. This is a very fair-minded site.
Reine has good karma because she makes great points, tells good jokes/stories, and has a heart of gold. Reine is one of the most fair-minded folks at LGF.
And buy a cookbook, people!
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laZardo Wed, Aug 19, 2009 6:15:57am |
re: #363 lincolntf
Morning all.
Remember the "Old" Black Panthers? This guy, Nelson Malloy, has been on my new City's Council for a couple decades. I did not know that. Colorful past, one might say.
In 1977, Malloy, who attended Winston-Salem State University, was
visiting Black Panthers out West. He ended up shot and left for dead
in a Nevada desert, a crime that has been linked to the Panthers.
Malloy has never discussed the incident publicly and declined to do
so again last week.
The result of a...disagreement?
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Spenser (with an S) Wed, Aug 19, 2009 6:16:05am |
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BlueCanuck Wed, Aug 19, 2009 6:16:26am |
re: #369 Spenser (with an S)
Heh, we have all been guilty of throwing viewpoints out without backing them up with links. :)
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Walter L. Newton Wed, Aug 19, 2009 6:16:28am |
re: #371 Sharmuta
Reine has good karma because she makes great points, tells good jokes/stories, and has a heart of gold. Reine is one of the most fair-minded folks at LGF.
And buy a cookbook, people!
Well, I'm not :)
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Wed, Aug 19, 2009 6:17:31am |
re: #373 Spenser (with an S)
I always fall for that! and... it's chins!
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Spenser (with an S) Wed, Aug 19, 2009 6:17:57am |
re: #371 Sharmuta
re: #361 Spenser (with an S)
BTW, I just noticed that your karma is crazy good compared to mine. This is a very fair-minded site.
Reine has good karma because she makes great points, tells good jokes/stories, and has a heart of gold. Reine is one of the most fair-minded folks at LGF.
And buy a cookbook, people!
I didn't reply to Reine, did I? I love Reine to death. I was talking to Ice.
And Yes, Buy Cookbooks, People!
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lincolntf Wed, Aug 19, 2009 6:18:13am |
re: #368 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
You mean the "Go it alone, Own it" stuff I presume?
I suppose it's their best chance to get something done and save face, but the Blue Dogs, etc. still know that the polls don't lie, and the Town Halls are testament to that.
If major legislation (single payer/public option) can be put off until next year, before you know it we'll be in the middle of Congressional primary campaigns and nobody will want to touch it.
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SurferDoc Wed, Aug 19, 2009 6:18:22am |
Nat Hentoff:
"I was not intimidated during J. Edgar Hoover's FBI hunt for reporters like me who criticized him. I railed against the Bush-Cheney war on the Bill of Rights without blinking. But now I am finally scared of a White House administration. President Obama's desired health care reform intends that a federal board (similar to the British model) — as in the Center for Health Outcomes Research and Evaluation in a current Democratic bill — decides whether your quality of life, regardless of your political party, merits government-controlled funds to keep you alive. Watch for that life-decider in the final bill. It's already in the stimulus bill signed into law.
The members of that ultimate federal board will themselves not have examined or seen the patient in question. For another example of the growing, tumultuous resistance to "Dr. Obama," particularly among seniors, there is a July 29 Washington Times editorial citing a line from a report written by a key adviser to Obama on cost-efficient health care, prominent bioethicist Dr. Ezekiel Emanuel (brother of White House Chief of Staff Rahm Emanuel).
Emanuel writes about rationing health care for older Americans that "allocation (of medical care) by age is not invidious discrimination." (The Lancet, January 2009) He calls this form of rationing — which is fundamental to Obamacare goals — "the complete lives system." You see, at 65 or older, you've had more life years than a 25-year-old. As such, the latter can be more deserving of cost-efficient health care than older folks. "
[Link: jewishworldreview.com...]
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jill e Wed, Aug 19, 2009 6:19:58am |
I am finally afraid of a White House administration:
re: #379 SurferDoc
Nat Hentoff:
"I was not intimidated during J. Edgar Hoover's FBI hunt for reporters like me who criticized him. I railed against the Bush-Cheney war on the Bill of Rights without blinking. But now I am finally scared of a White House administration. President Obama's desired health care reform intends that a federal board (similar to the British model) — as in the Center for Health Outcomes Research and Evaluation in a current Democratic bill — decides whether your quality of life, regardless of your political party, merits government-controlled funds to keep you alive. Watch for that life-decider in the final bill. It's already in the stimulus bill signed into law.
The members of that ultimate federal board will themselves not have examined or seen the patient in question. For another example of the growing, tumultuous resistance to "Dr. Obama," particularly among seniors, there is a July 29 Washington Times editorial citing a line from a report written by a key adviser to Obama on cost-efficient health care, prominent bioethicist Dr. Ezekiel Emanuel (brother of White House Chief of Staff Rahm Emanuel).
Emanuel writes about rationing health care for older Americans that "allocation (of medical care) by age is not invidious discrimination." (The Lancet, January 2009) He calls this form of rationing — which is fundamental to Obamacare goals — "the complete lives system." You see, at 65 or older, you've had more life years than a 25-year-old. As such, the latter can be more deserving of cost-efficient health care than older folks. "
[Link: jewishworldreview.com...]
...there is a July 29 Washington Times editorial citing a line from a report written by a key adviser to Obama on cost-efficient health care, prominent bioethicist Dr. Ezekiel Emanuel (brother of White House Chief of Staff Rahm Emanuel).
Emanuel writes about rationing health care for older Americans that "allocation (of medical care) by age is not invidious discrimination." (The Lancet, January 2009) He calls this form of rationing — which is fundamental to Obamacare goals — "the complete lives system." You see, at 65 or older, you've had more life years than a 25-year-old. As such, the latter can be more deserving of cost-efficient health care than older folks.
THIS is scary!
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Aye Pod Wed, Aug 19, 2009 6:19:59am |
re: #358 iceweasel
Sharm-Wow! good morning!
yeah, I've been thinking about this a lot. There's a tendency on both the left and right to view the other side as evil and as not acting in good faith. So you get Republicans saying that librhuls hate america and are liars, and Democrats saying that conservatives are nasty ignorant people who hate the poor (to take just two stereotypes).
What bothers me at least as much as the stereotyping is this assumption of bad faith. That is, why assume your opponent is lying? Can't we agree that conservatives and liberals both love their country, are all Americans, and want what's best for it? Conservatives aren't necessarily evil people who love war for its own sake just cos they favour strong national defence. Similarly, liberals aren't America hating traitors.
That's the kind of polarisation that really gets me down.
Absolutely! You hit the nail on the head there.
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Desert Dog Wed, Aug 19, 2009 6:20:09am |
re: #378 lincolntf
You mean the "Go it alone, Own it" stuff I presume?
I suppose it's their best chance to get something done and save face, but the Blue Dogs, etc. still know that the polls don't lie, and the Town Halls are testament to that.
If major legislation (single payer/public option) can be put off until next year, before you know it we'll be in the middle of Congressional primary campaigns and nobody will want to touch it.
That's the rush for them...it's now or never. That is a "great" reason to change our entire medical delivery systems...political expedience.
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Sharmuta Wed, Aug 19, 2009 6:20:39am |
re: #377 Spenser (with an S)
You're right! Not sure why I read Reine. Guess I need more coffee!
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Leonidas Hoplite Wed, Aug 19, 2009 6:21:15am |
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Walter L. Newton Wed, Aug 19, 2009 6:21:45am |
Just got back walking the dogs. One of the critters is a red heeler and about a half a mile away, further up the mountain, there is a FEMALE heeler in heat.
Our heeler has "visited" this other dogs house three times in the last two day. He has bolted over our 5 foot fence and than had to jump over their 4 foot fence, just to sit next to the sliding glass door and pine away over the female on the other side of the glass door.
I've had to drive over there and pick him up like some sort of errant teenager, and he crys all the way back home.
He's running all over the house right now, whining and pushing against closed doors.
I may let him outside later, stand on the other side of the fence line and see just where he is managing to jump over. Maybe I can find a way to make that more difficult for him.
Ah love, or is that lust.
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Kenneth Wed, Aug 19, 2009 6:21:49am |
The Unbreakable Chain
You wake up and there's something there tugging at your sleeve.
It's not the pitter-patter of the one in your dreams.
Held on by the chain, the unbreakable chain.
Held there by the chain, the unbreakable chain
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lincolntf Wed, Aug 19, 2009 6:22:26am |
re: #372 laZardo
"He ended up shot and left for dead
in a Nevada desert, a crime that has been linked to the Panthers."
Without making light of the man's injuries, what an oddly casual sentence that is.
" ...Oooops, I ended up shot in the desert again, Honey. Can you come pick me up?..."
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laZardo Wed, Aug 19, 2009 6:22:44am |
re: #384 Leonidas Hoplite
Vince Offer thinks he's "all dat," but Billy Mays (RIP) did not need copious amounts of precious metals welded to his teeth to be a true gangsta.
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Coracle Wed, Aug 19, 2009 6:24:19am |
re: #380 jill e
I am finally afraid of a White House administration:
...there is a July 29 Washington Times editorial citing a line from a report written by a key adviser to Obama on cost-efficient health care, prominent bioethicist Dr. Ezekiel Emanuel (brother of White House Chief of Staff Rahm Emanuel).Emanuel writes about rationing health care for older Americans that "allocation (of medical care) by age is not invidious discrimination." (The Lancet, January 2009) He calls this form of rationing — which is fundamental to Obamacare goals — "the complete lives system." You see, at 65 or older, you've had more life years than a 25-year-old. As such, the latter can be more deserving of cost-efficient health care than older folks.
THIS is scary!
Please show me the text in any form of the bills now under consideration where "allocation by age" or any other age-preferential rationing is documented.
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Kenneth Wed, Aug 19, 2009 6:24:51am |
re: #386 Walter L. Newton
I don't have a dog, but I do have teenagers, so I can relate.
On the plus side, no matter how anxious they get, teenagers don't try to hump your leg.
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reine.de.tout Wed, Aug 19, 2009 6:24:53am |
re: #371 Sharmuta
Reine has good karma because she makes great points, tells good jokes/stories, and has a heart of gold. Reine is one of the most fair-minded folks at LGF.
And buy a cookbook, people!
Well, you're sweet!
But Spenser was talking to Ice.
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SurferDoc Wed, Aug 19, 2009 6:25:00am |
re: #386 Walter L. Newton
Just got back walking the dogs. One of the critters is a red heeler and about a half a mile away, further up the mountain, there is a FEMALE heeler in heat.
Our heeler has "visited" this other dogs house three times in the last two day. He has bolted over our 5 foot fence and than had to jump over their 4 foot fence, just to sit next to the sliding glass door and pine away over the female on the other side of the glass door.
I've had to drive over there and pick him up like some sort of errant teenager, and he crys all the way back home.
He's running all over the house right now, whining and pushing against closed doors.
I may let him outside later, stand on the other side of the fence line and see just where he is managing to jump over. Maybe I can find a way to make that more difficult for him.
Ah love, or is that lust.
Biochemistry. And powerful.
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Erik The Red Wed, Aug 19, 2009 6:25:15am |
Good Morning Lizards. It's back to school time today. My girls were both, excited and nervous. Mrs. Red was excited. Her first "ME" time in over 5 months.
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3 wood Wed, Aug 19, 2009 6:25:42am |
re: #350 iceweasel
It's when the corporations and special interests get involved under the guise of being 'independent' that I get testy.
So you are all testy with the NEA, the UAW, SEIU and so forth, right?
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reine.de.tout Wed, Aug 19, 2009 6:25:46am |
re: #377 Spenser (with an S)
I didn't reply to Reine, did I? I love Reine to death. I was talking to Ice.
And Yes, Buy Cookbooks, People!
Heh.
With those sorts of points, I'll have to increase your karma all by my lonesome!
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bloodnok Wed, Aug 19, 2009 6:26:07am |
re: #388 Sharmuta
Favorited for viewing after work. Such music was not intended to be played on a tinny, compressed PC-speaker. And I shall not tempt fate.
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SasquatchOnSteroids Wed, Aug 19, 2009 6:26:26am |
re: #392 Kenneth
I don't have a dog, but I do have teenagers, so I can relate.
On the plus side, no matter how anxious they get, teenagers don't try to hump your leg.
Here you go. Your virtual dog.
HT : JCM
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Millicent Islam Wed, Aug 19, 2009 6:26:44am |
re: #361 Spenser (with an S)
Well, I see you've just been a member since this spring but with that reasonable approach I'm sure you would have been posting outrage at all the ACORN and union and Soros, etc.. $, manipulation and bussing that went on prior to the election in Nov., right? Let's just say I'm a tad skeptical but I won't go farther than that in fairness to you.
I'll tell you the truth-- I'd been reading LGF off and on since 2004, like 3 days, 4 days a week I'd check in-- and I quit reading from around aug 2008 to december. From around late august on some of the commenters here departed from reality. It was too weird to check in and see people clinging to beliefs that weren't true-- about McCain's chances, etc. I was pro-Obama, but it didn't give me any joy to see that.
I'm not especially interested in refighting any of the election wars about ACORN, etc. I guess you'll have to judge me on my posts here in terms of how consistent I am-- but I'll point out that I've consistently slammed Obama for maintaining or extending certain Bush era policies that most here actually like him for, and I've pointed out various lib critics who hated Bush for those policies and suddenly have no prob with them under Obama.
BTW, I just noticed that your karma is crazy good compared to mine. This is a very fair-minded site.
It's a very fair site, I completely agree, and most people are open to opposing views. If my karma is high it's prolly just for the dirty jokes. ;)
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Walter L. Newton Wed, Aug 19, 2009 6:27:14am |
re: #392 Kenneth
I don't have a dog, but I do have teenagers, so I can relate.
On the plus side, no matter how anxious they get, teenagers don't try to hump your leg.
...or jump fences.
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SasquatchOnSteroids Wed, Aug 19, 2009 6:27:45am |
re: #395 Erik The Red
Good Morning Lizards. It's back to school time today. My girls were both, excited and nervous. Mrs. Red was excited. Her first "ME" time in over 5 months.
Why are you still here ?
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Sharmuta Wed, Aug 19, 2009 6:27:52am |
re: #361 Spenser (with an S)
OK- I'm going to try this again, and this time I read the right name.
BTW, I just noticed that your karma is crazy good compared to mine. This is a very fair-minded site.
Of course this is a fair-minded site. If it wasn't, it wouldn't be LGF. We're anti-idiotarian here- we fact check and follow the evidence. What this means, imo, is a liberal can do just fine here so long as they also follow the evidence and fact check like the rest of us. This is probably one of the only sites on the righty-sphere where a person from the left could be comfortable, and it's a testament to our host.
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laZardo Wed, Aug 19, 2009 6:27:59am |
re: #402 Walter L. Newton
Unless they're the type who enjoyed being the school mascot.
If you know what I mean.
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Aye Pod Wed, Aug 19, 2009 6:28:10am |
Packing heat at Obama protests: no problem!
[Link: www.hurryupharry.org...]
Republican Congressman Phil Gingrey of Georgia can’t bring himself to criticize people who carry firearms to protests against President Obama– y’know, just because they can.You don’t have to be a gun-control type to be disturbed by this. The protests at President George W. Bush’s appearances often included some strange and obnoxious characters. But I don’t recall any of them bringing assault rifles.
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Walter L. Newton Wed, Aug 19, 2009 6:28:15am |
re: #400 iceweasel
It's a very fair site, I completely agree, and most people are open to opposing views. If my karma is high it's prolly just for the dirty jokes. ;)
No, pity points :)
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Leonidas Hoplite Wed, Aug 19, 2009 6:28:16am |
re: #388 Sharmuta
Beatles Rooftop Concert (in 3 parts)
My 5-year old daughter is singing Hello Goodbye with her daycamp group today - I have to miss it but she sang it for me last night. That's a burned memory.
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gonecamping Wed, Aug 19, 2009 6:28:38am |
One of my neighbors is from Cuba and still has friends back there. The other day he was telling me that he gets requests for blood pressure cuffs because there are none available back home. He sends one to his friend (to replace the one that wore out) and it gets passed around the block so people can take thier BP...he says the Doctors don't even have the cuffs to take blood pressure readings. He is completely amazed that American Politicians would even think of going the route of Socialized Medicine.
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Erik The Red Wed, Aug 19, 2009 6:28:50am |
re: #403 SasquatchOnSteroids
Why are you still here ?
//
Not to sure I fit into her "ME" time for the next couple of days. :))
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midwestgak Wed, Aug 19, 2009 6:29:09am |
re: #397 reine.de.tout
{reine} Got your email. Thanks lady!
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Millicent Islam Wed, Aug 19, 2009 6:29:11am |
re: #384 Leonidas Hoplite
This looks suspiciously like the beginning of an infomercial.
And iDub looks like iPod. :(
You busted us. We're part of the paid commentators on LGF.
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Sharmuta Wed, Aug 19, 2009 6:29:23am |
re: #393 reine.de.tout
Well, you're sweet!
But Spenser was talking to Ice.
I need a two cup of coffee minimum before I start posting. ;)
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Killian Bundy Wed, Aug 19, 2009 6:29:57am |
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Desert Dog Wed, Aug 19, 2009 6:30:06am |
re: #358 iceweasel
Sharm-Wow! good morning!
yeah, I've been thinking about this a lot. There's a tendency on both the left and right to view the other side as evil and as not acting in good faith. So you get Republicans saying that librhuls hate america and are liars, and Democrats saying that conservatives are nasty ignorant people who hate the poor (to take just two stereotypes).
What bothers me at least as much as the stereotyping is this assumption of bad faith. That is, why assume your opponent is lying? Can't we agree that conservatives and liberals both love their country, are all Americans, and want what's best for it? Conservatives aren't necessarily evil people who love war for its own sake just cos they favour strong national defence. Similarly, liberals aren't America hating traitors.
That's the kind of polarisation that really gets me down.
You know, Ice. Quite a few people voted for Obama because he said he would put an end to all of that. Many people with an ""R" or an "I" listed on their voter registration cards voted for him precisely because of that. Would you say that so far, President Obama has been good about reaching out across party lines to end this destructive partisanship? I would say he has done the exact opposite and that will cost him next time around.
Of course, Bush came in saying the same thing and he ended up polarizing just as bad too. But, the big difference between Bush and Obama so far is Bush actually reached out and did do bipartisan things. No Child Left Behind was basically written with Ted Kennedy. Bush did many polarizing actions of course, but he did not run roughshod all over the Democrats in the same manner that Obama is currently doing to the Republicans. I would say that he is pushing all of his agenda hard right now because he has the votes and the last thing he cares about right now is "the other side". So, President Obama, the uniter, in my mind, is the most partisan President I have seen in my lifetime. He will only deal with Republicans when he has too. Right now, he feels he doesn't have too and will "go it alone" and pass his transformative agenda without their input. That will definitely cost him.
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lawhawk Wed, Aug 19, 2009 6:30:37am |
Greets and saluts from the NYC metro area. We had quite the light show last nite as severe t-storms barreled through, and Central Park took it on the chin. More photos of the storm rolling in here.
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Leonidas Hoplite Wed, Aug 19, 2009 6:31:05am |
re: #409 gonecamping
One of my neighbors is from Cuba and still has friends back there. The other day he was telling me that he gets requests for blood pressure cuffs because there are none available back home. He sends one to his friend (to replace the one that wore out) and it gets passed around the block so people can take thier BP...he says the Doctors don't even have the cuffs to take blood pressure readings. He is completely amazed that American Politicians would even think of going the route of Socialized Medicine.
A good point but to be fair, the country is probably just as dirt poor now as it was when Castro took power. Progress!
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Millicent Islam Wed, Aug 19, 2009 6:31:15am |
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Sharmuta Wed, Aug 19, 2009 6:32:12am |
re: #408 Leonidas Hoplite
My 5-year old daughter is singing Hello Goodbye with her daycamp group today - I have to miss it but she sang it for me last night. That's a burned memory.
Awww! That's one of the many, many things I love about the Beatles- how they bridge generations. Parents can play their music with little children in the room, and it's family friendly and good clean fun.
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wahabicorridor Wed, Aug 19, 2009 6:32:20am |
re: #410 Erik The Red
Morning Erik. So have you decided on any Civil War books?
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Erik The Red Wed, Aug 19, 2009 6:32:22am |
re: #415 Desert Dog
You know, Ice. Quite a few people voted for Obama because he said he would put an end to all of that. Many people with an ""R" or an "I" listed on their voter registration cards voted for him precisely because of that. Would you say that so far, President Obama has been good about reaching out across party lines to end this destructive partisanship? I would say he has done the exact opposite and that will cost him next time around.
Of course, Bush came in saying the same thing and he ended up polarizing just as bad too. But, the big difference between Bush and Obama so far is Bush actually reached out and did do bipartisan things. No Child Left Behind was basically written with Ted Kennedy. Bush did many polarizing actions of course, but he did not run roughshod all over the Democrats in the same manner that Obama is currently doing to the Republicans. I would say that he is pushing all of his agenda hard right now because he has the votes and the last thing he cares about right now is "the other side". So, President Obama, the uniter, in my mind, is the most partisan President I have seen in my lifetime. He will only deal with Republicans when he has too. Right now, he feels he doesn't have too and will "go it alone" and pass his transformative agenda without their input. That will definitely cost him.
+1000 wish I had more than one.
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Kenneth Wed, Aug 19, 2009 6:32:26am |
The Pacific
The trailer for an upcoming miniseries by the producers of A Band of Brothers, on the Pacific theater of WWII:
We few, we happy few, we band of brothers;
For he to-day that sheds his blood with me
Shall be my brother; be he ne'er so vile,
This day shall gentle his condition;
And gentlemen in England now-a-bed
Shall think themselves accurs'd they were not here,
And hold their manhoods cheap whiles any speaks
That fought with us upon Saint Crispin's day.
William Shakespeare, Henry V
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thedopefishlives Wed, Aug 19, 2009 6:32:27am |
re: #416 lawhawk
Greets and saluts from the NYC metro area. We had quite the light show last nite as severe t-storms barreled through, and Central Park took it on the chin. More photos of the storm rolling in here.
We're sending some more of that your way. Chance of thunderstorms extremely high, and summer storms on the lake are particularly spectacular. About this time last year, we had a storm blow through with main-line winds that knocked a tree onto my house.
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Spenser (with an S) Wed, Aug 19, 2009 6:33:23am |
So, day #5 of houseguests who seem very comfortable and in no hurry at all. 3 kids (added to our 4), 1 severe nut allergy, 2 on ADDHD meds and they keep snacking til all hours when mine need their sleep. They aren't horrible, but it's been tooo long. My dear bride is coming out of her skin and it's her friend who's visiting. We've got a camping trip coming up on Friday and I'm thinking of saying it's thurs and fake-packing the van today to speed things along.
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Dark_Falcon Wed, Aug 19, 2009 6:33:28am |
re: #418 iceweasel
Oooh, BURN! *shakes tiny liberal fists*
Iceweasel, you should read this. Its one the better health care articles I've seen so far.
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Erik The Red Wed, Aug 19, 2009 6:33:38am |
re: #420 wahabicorridor
Morning Erik. So have you decided on any Civil War books?
Yeah I am going to tackle the 3000 page mammoth.
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Walter L. Newton Wed, Aug 19, 2009 6:33:54am |
re: #415 Desert Dog
... Would you say that so far, President Obama has been good about reaching out across party lines to end this destructive partisanship? I would say he has done the exact opposite and that will cost him next time around...
Obama has not only NOT reached out party lines to try to encourage any conservatives, he has also totally ignore the progressives who did most of the foot work to get him elected.
This is good. It has stirred conservatives to get off their butts and start making some noise and face the issues, and it has sent a message to the progressives that this country is not interested in their socialism.
Good all around.
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Sharmuta Wed, Aug 19, 2009 6:34:06am |
re: #412 iceweasel
And iDub looks like iPod. :(
You busted us. We're part of the paid commentators on LGF.
Clean your iDub with a Sharmwow.
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Millicent Islam Wed, Aug 19, 2009 6:34:17am |
re: #357 Flyers1974
Flyers, that was hysterical. You're pretty ornery today! :)
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bloodnok Wed, Aug 19, 2009 6:34:28am |
re: #419 Sharmuta
Awww! That's one of the many, many things I love about the Beatles- how they bridge generations. Parents can play their music with little children in the room, and it's family friendly and good clean fun.
My parents played Revolution 9 for me. And that's why I am the way that I am. *looks over shoulder suddenly*
/
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BlueCanuck Wed, Aug 19, 2009 6:35:06am |
re: #417 Leonidas Hoplite
A good point but to be fair, the country is probably just as dirt poor now as it was when Castro took power. Progress!
I thought that Cuba was the most successful Latin America Economy when Castro took power? I may need to dig into some links for that.
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Millicent Islam Wed, Aug 19, 2009 6:35:14am |
re: #430 Sharmuta
Clean your iDub with a Sharmwow.
Well, I am a dirty girl, and you're pretty conscientious... ;)
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Erik The Red Wed, Aug 19, 2009 6:35:29am |
Later Lizards. I guess Mrs. Red's "ME" time does include me. Going to the mall. Yeah what a great day I have ahead.
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Coracle Wed, Aug 19, 2009 6:35:40am |
re: #415 Desert Dog
You know, Ice. Quite a few people voted for Obama because he said he would put an end to all of that. Many people with an ""R" or an "I" listed on their voter registration cards voted for him precisely because of that. Would you say that so far, President Obama has been good about reaching out across party lines to end this destructive partisanship? I would say he has done the exact opposite and that will cost him next time around.
I'll disagree. The far left began pushing Obama to "go it alone" when there were 58 (D) senators. The volume raised several dB as soon as Franken was confirmed. He's been taking quite a bit of heat from that side for "futile and foolish" attempts to cross the aisle. And there are those on the not-so-far left who think that the effort, even if it was true to principle, was destructive to his policy goals.
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thedopefishlives Wed, Aug 19, 2009 6:36:01am |
re: #433 BlueCanuck
I thought that Cuba was the most successful Latin America Economy when Castro took power? I may need to dig into some links for that.
To be honest, that really isn't saying much. Latin America isn't exactly known as an economic powerhouse.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Wed, Aug 19, 2009 6:36:27am |
re: #422 Kenneth
My Uncle Van, spent his WWII years in the Pacific Theater... Guam...
Only started talking about it two years ago, and then only some parts of it.
He's in his eighties. Still pretty healthy, but, gosh, it is sad to watching that generation die off.
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Kenneth Wed, Aug 19, 2009 6:36:52am |
re: #419 Sharmuta
I once overheard two young teenage girls on the streetcar:
Girl 1: "Have you like ever heard the Beatles?"
Girl 2: "You mean like that old band that my parents listen too?"
Girl 1: "Yeah, their music's ok, but like their videos suck."
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BlueCanuck Wed, Aug 19, 2009 6:37:00am |
re: #435 Erik The Red
Later Lizards. I guess Mrs. Red's "ME" time does include me. Going to the mall. Yeah what a great day I have ahead.
Yep, today you are the designated pack mule. Good luck in the wilds of suburban malls.
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Sharmuta Wed, Aug 19, 2009 6:37:07am |
re: #432 bloodnok
My parents played Revolution 9 for me. And that's why I am the way that I am. *looks over shoulder suddenly*
/
LUCKY! Papa Smurf only ever let me hear the La-La-La song.
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Leonidas Hoplite Wed, Aug 19, 2009 6:37:40am |
re: #422 Kenneth
The Pacific
The trailer for an upcoming miniseries by the producers of A Band of Brothers, on the Pacific theater of WWII:
William Shakespeare, Henry V
Band of Brothers is one of the best pieces of television ever created, IMHO; I hope this is just as good and gives as good a representation of our Marines as our Paratroopers got in Band of Brothers.
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Spenser (with an S) Wed, Aug 19, 2009 6:37:59am |
re: #436 Coracle
He's been taking quite a bit of heat from that side for "futile and foolish" attempts to cross the aisle.
Not that I doubt you, but I can't think of one. Do you have an example? It doesn't even have to be on par with Bush's ill-advised handing whole pieces of legislation over.
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thedopefishlives Wed, Aug 19, 2009 6:38:07am |
re: #441 Sharmuta
LUCKY! Papa Smurf only ever let me hear the La-La-La song.
My parents used to keep the radio dial perma-tuned to the local Oldies station when my sister and I were kids. Beatles, Beach Boys and Elvis, ohh yeeeah.
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Leonidas Hoplite Wed, Aug 19, 2009 6:38:39am |
re: #433 BlueCanuck
I thought that Cuba was the most successful Latin America Economy when Castro took power? I may need to dig into some links for that.
So you're suggesting its even poorer? Yikes.
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SurferDoc Wed, Aug 19, 2009 6:39:11am |
re: #435 Erik The Red
Later Lizards. I guess Mrs. Red's "ME" time does include me. Going to the mall. Yeah what a great day I have ahead.
Any day above ground is a good day. With the ones you love, even better.
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Millicent Islam Wed, Aug 19, 2009 6:39:15am |
re: #425 Dark_Falcon
Iceweasel, you should read this. Its one the better health care articles I've seen so far.
hey DF, how are you?
Thanks for the article, bookmarked. I'll read it today for sure.
Must warn you though that I'm familiar with the manhattan institute and they're not cool. Run the full name (MIFPR) through sourcewatch-- they've shilled for tobacco companies, etc.
I feel like I've heard this guy's name but I can't recall for sure how-- for all I know he's the only good guy writing there. Will read it and get back to you, thanks v much.
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Coracle Wed, Aug 19, 2009 6:39:17am |
re: #444 Spenser (with an S)
Not that I doubt you, but I can't think of one. Do you have an example? It doesn't even have to be on par with Bush's ill-advised handing whole pieces of legislation over.
If you hold your nose and read a week of Kos or C&L, you'll see any number.
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Walter L. Newton Wed, Aug 19, 2009 6:39:43am |
re: #436 Coracle
I'll disagree. The far left began pushing Obama to "go it alone" when there were 58 (D) senators. The volume raised several dB as soon as Franken was confirmed. He's been taking quite a bit of heat from that side for "futile and foolish" attempts to cross the aisle. And there are those on the not-so-far left who think that the effort, even if it was true to principle, was destructive to his policy goals.
He's screwing the progressives in his party. And why, because he is not so stupid to see that the country really doesn't want soft-socialism here.
He's already worried about his job.
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Gang of One Wed, Aug 19, 2009 6:40:06am |
re: #446 Leonidas Hoplite
So you're suggesting its even poorer? Yikes.
And something about free health care and almost no illiteracy. Or so my lefty acquaintances gush.
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gonecamping Wed, Aug 19, 2009 6:40:16am |
Forget the fake packing Spenser, start packing for real and see if you can get in to your site a day early...sounds like you and the missus could use an extra day of decompression in the great outdoors. And if you can't leave a day early...you have the van loaded and can take it easy tomorrow.
Enjoy your camping trip!
re: #424 Spenser (with an S)
So, day #5 of houseguests who seem very comfortable and in no hurry at all. 3 kids (added to our 4), 1 severe nut allergy, 2 on ADDHD meds and they keep snacking til all hours when mine need their sleep. They aren't horrible, but it's been tooo long. My dear bride is coming out of her skin and it's her friend who's visiting. We've got a camping trip coming up on Friday and I'm thinking of saying it's thurs and fake-packing the van today to speed things along.
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Dark_Falcon Wed, Aug 19, 2009 6:40:28am |
re: #448 iceweasel
hey DF, how are you?
Thanks for the article, bookmarked. I'll read it today for sure.Must warn you though that I'm familiar with the manhattan institute and they're not cool. Run the full name (MIFPR) through sourcewatch-- they've shilled for tobacco companies, etc.
I feel like I've heard this guy's name but I can't recall for sure how-- for all I know he's the only good guy writing there. Will read it and get back to you, thanks v much.
You are quite welcome. I'll be back tonight, work beckons.
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BlueCanuck Wed, Aug 19, 2009 6:40:44am |
re: #446 Leonidas Hoplite
So you're suggesting its even poorer? Yikes.
Let me put it this way. I have had a few friends and acquaintances that have vacationed there. Girls complained of "feminine supplys" being stolen. Stuff like that is a luxury down there...
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Kenneth Wed, Aug 19, 2009 6:40:51am |
re: #438 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
It's good to see some people are making a good series about WWII to tell the real history to the young people today. Push back against the revisionist crap.
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bloodnok Wed, Aug 19, 2009 6:41:07am |
re: #445 thedopefishlives
My parents used to keep the radio dial perma-tuned to the local Oldies station when my sister and I were kids. Beatles, Beach Boys and Elvis, ohh yeeeah.
When I was a kid (in the late 70's) I thought that Buddy Holly, Chuck Berry, The Beach Boys, Jan & Dean, The Platters & etc. were current acts. It was a very nice musical education.
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wahabicorridor Wed, Aug 19, 2009 6:41:52am |
re: #450 Walter L. Newton
He's already worried about his job.
I'm not so sure. One of the talking heads yesterday (on MSNBC I think) said he had told members in a mtg in the Oval that he didn't care if he was a one term Pres if he got health reform thru.
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Kenneth Wed, Aug 19, 2009 6:42:11am |
re: #443 Leonidas Hoplite
At least one reviewer has said this is better than Band of Brothers. High praise indeed.
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SurferDoc Wed, Aug 19, 2009 6:42:13am |
re: #456 bloodnok
When I was a kid (in the late 70's) I thought that Buddy Holly, Chuck Berry, The Beach Boys, Jan & Dean, The Platters & etc. were current acts. It was a very nice musical education.
when I was a kid, they were current acts!
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Coracle Wed, Aug 19, 2009 6:42:43am |
re: #450 Walter L. Newton
He's screwing the progressives in his party. And why, because he is not so stupid to see that the country really doesn't want soft-socialism here.
.
I don't think he's screwing the progressives. I think he was never as left as the right claims or the far left likes.
Your second sentence is, I think, absolutely right, and gives the lie to the whole "Obama is a socialist" rhetoric pile-o-.
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albusteve Wed, Aug 19, 2009 6:42:49am |
I don't remember this story...has the MSM been on it?...pretty big story
[Link: hughhewitt.townhall.com...]
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lincolntf Wed, Aug 19, 2009 6:43:02am |
re: #457 wahabicorridor
Now that's scary. A kamikaze Presidency.
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thedopefishlives Wed, Aug 19, 2009 6:43:12am |
re: #456 bloodnok
When I was a kid (in the late 70's) I thought that Buddy Holly, Chuck Berry, The Beach Boys, Jan & Dean, The Platters & etc. were current acts. It was a very nice musical education.
No doubt. I never did get into the supposed "music" that my generation listened to. It just seemed so chaotic and unpleasant compared to the music I usually listened to.
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Walter L. Newton Wed, Aug 19, 2009 6:43:39am |
re: #457 wahabicorridor
I'm not so sure. One of the talking heads yesterday (on MSNBC I think) said he had told members in a mtg in the Oval that he didn't care if he was a one term Pres if he got health reform thru.
I should have been more clear. I mean he's worried about his job performance. He's tried pushing all sorts of things through, and he is hitting opposition on both sides. It's not going the way he expected.
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Desert Dog Wed, Aug 19, 2009 6:43:57am |
re: #436 Coracle
I'll disagree. The far left began pushing Obama to "go it alone" when there were 58 (D) senators. The volume raised several dB as soon as Franken was confirmed. He's been taking quite a bit of heat from that side for "futile and foolish" attempts to cross the aisle. And there are those on the not-so-far left who think that the effort, even if it was true to principle, was destructive to his policy goals.
Which efforts would those be, Coracle? There has not been one thing bipartisan about Obama since he took the oath. Maybe I missed one, could you provide an example of Obama acting in a manner that "heals the wounds" and "ends the destructive partisan politics that have plagued Washington"?
The voters had a candidate with a track record of bipartisan actions, John McCain. Obama had very little of it and even though he went on an on about how he would be, nothing in his past suggested that, and now, nothing in the present does either. George Bush polarized the landscape pretty hard. Iraq and the manner he fought the GWOT made many people on the left mad as hell. I can admit that, no problem. But, Bush also reached across party line for many of his agenda items. Obama is only in his 7th month, but right now, he is looking to pass he agenda as fast as possible because he does not want a "good crisis to go to waste". He has the votes, right now, and wants to pass all this stuff NOW, because he knows he will probably not have another shot at it later on. He feels no need or sees no benefit from dealing with the almost 50% of the people that voted against him right now.
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aboo-Hoo-Hoo Wed, Aug 19, 2009 6:44:14am |
Security issues to steal health spotlight
President Barack Obama plans an all-out push for health care reform legislation after Labor Day — but he is likely to find Congress and the media distracted by a series of thorny national security problems, including Guantanamo and Iran, which are set to come roaring back onto the national agenda.The collection of issues present a political minefield where a false step could send the right or the left into an uproar just as Obama is trying to cobble together a coalition to make a deal on health care reform that has eluded several of his predecessors.
Democrats Seem Set to Go It Alone on a Health Care Bill
Given hardening Republican opposition to Congressional health care proposals, Democrats now say they see little chance of the minority’s cooperation in approving any overhaul, and are increasingly focused on drawing support for a final plan from within their own ranks.
Dollar to lose reserve currency status: Jim Roger
Price weakness continued to be manifest in the precious and base metals complexes overnight, as China's stock market index fell another 4.3% and came to the point of requiring the 'bear market' label to be applied to it by market technicians. Albeit analysts see the Chinese market implosion this month as somewhat counterintuitive, there are other signs that point to justifiable apprehensions.
All the makings for the perfect storm and nobody gets a lousy t-shirt.
Mornin folks.
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Millicent Islam Wed, Aug 19, 2009 6:44:45am |
re: #436 Coracle
I'll disagree. The far left began pushing Obama to "go it alone" when there were 58 (D) senators. The volume raised several dB as soon as Franken was confirmed. He's been taking quite a bit of heat from that side for "futile and foolish" attempts to cross the aisle. And there are those on the not-so-far left who think that the effort, even if it was true to principle, was destructive to his policy goals.
BTW-- this is totally right. That's exactly what's been happening.
Coracle, did you see this great article on open left which is such a good parody of a Kos diary and of rifts within 'teh left'? hysterical! (posting only part of it here, people should read it all)
You and your kind are everywhere. Fortunately, by vaguely calling you out, I have now stopped you from doing it again. So, I am pretty awesome. If others join me, they will have participated in that glorious triumph themselves. And if they follow me, neither I, nor they, can ever lose.
Update: I am not talking about them. How could you ever think I was talking about them? What they are doing is great. No--I am talking about you.
Update 2: Oh, for crying out loud, I am not talking about you. I was talking about them. You are the one projecting that I am criticizing you in this diary, not me. But hey, if the shoe fits...
Update 3: Thank you everyone for this productive discussion. Stay tuned for when I vaguely call more people out in my next diary. Onward to victory!
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Flyers1974 Wed, Aug 19, 2009 6:45:04am |
re: #431 iceweasel
Flyers, that was hysterical. You're pretty ornery today! :)
That's because I'm about to go on a real vacation for once, i.e., no cell phone, etc... . Although a hurricane may be in my future.
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albusteve Wed, Aug 19, 2009 6:45:46am |
re: #461 Coracle
I don't think he's screwing the progressives. I think he was never as left as the right claims or the far left likes.
Your second sentence is, I think, absolutely right, and gives the lie to the whole "Obama is a socialist" rhetoric pile-o-.
he certainly is a socialist...but you can split all the hairs you want, it's barely even worth this reply
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laZardo Wed, Aug 19, 2009 6:45:48am |
re: #463 lincolntf
Now that's scary. A kamikaze Presidency.
That explains why a lot of people I know that like animé love him so much.
/RACSIT!
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Leonidas Hoplite Wed, Aug 19, 2009 6:45:49am |
re: #462 albusteve
I don't remember this story...has the MSM been on it?...pretty big story
[Link: hughhewitt.townhall.com...]
Nothing to see here. Move.Along
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wahabicorridor Wed, Aug 19, 2009 6:45:55am |
re: #465 Walter L. Newton
I should have been more clear. I mean he's worried about his job performance. He's tried pushing all sorts of things through, and he is hitting opposition on both sides. It's not going the way he expected.
Ok, now THAT I agree with. You know what? He's never been beat up before and doesn't know how to take a punch
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midwestgak Wed, Aug 19, 2009 6:46:01am |
re: #455 Kenneth
It's good to see some people are making a good series about WWII to tell the real history to the young people today. Push back against the revisionist crap.
I bought the DVD. I really appreciate the interviews of the actual soldiers who where there and lived through it. Priceless.
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Walter L. Newton Wed, Aug 19, 2009 6:47:48am |
re: #472 Leonidas Hoplite
Nothing to see here. Move.Along
Well, Hewitt just posted it yesterday, and if you read...
"UPDATE: Ken Vogel just confirmed that his story in tomorrow's Politico delves into this issue and that Axelrod did not respond to Vogel's e-mail on the subject, though he has done so in the past. The transcript of the Vogel interview is here."
So, it's not a dead issue. It will start getting play.
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kcladderman Wed, Aug 19, 2009 6:48:16am |
re: #458 Kenneth
At least one reviewer has said this is better than Band of Brothers. High praise indeed.
Hope so. I had the pleasure of becoming friends with a Navy radioman that was assigned to a Marine unit he did quite a bit of island hopping. He too opened up a lot more just before he died, I hope their stories are never lost to history revisionists.
Although my favorite ww2 documentary was the one about germane Pow Camps. Now what was it called again??? Oh yeah Hogans Heroes :-)
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Wed, Aug 19, 2009 6:48:17am |
re: #457 wahabicorridor
Do you believe him? I sure don't.
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Millicent Islam Wed, Aug 19, 2009 6:48:26am |
re: #469 Flyers1974
That's because I'm about to go on a real vacation for once, i.e., no cell phone, etc... . Although a hurricane may be in my future.
ooh! Dominican republic, I think you said? Something like that? Very excited for you!
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albusteve Wed, Aug 19, 2009 6:48:31am |
re: #472 Leonidas Hoplite
Nothing to see here. Move.Along
seething with Chicago style corruption, and just a breath away from BO...I hope this takes off and the town hallers get a whiff of this...it really stinks
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wahabicorridor Wed, Aug 19, 2009 6:48:50am |
re: #467 aboo-Hoo-Hoo
Hi aboo! I think there's a lot of Democratic hardening against health reform, too. In my perfect world, the Dems would 'go it alone' and STILL lose.
heh.
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Spenser (with an S) Wed, Aug 19, 2009 6:49:29am |
re: #452 gonecamping
Forget the fake packing Spenser, start packing for real and see if you can get in to your site a day early...sounds like you and the missus could use an extra day of decompression in the great outdoors. And if you can't leave a day early...you have the van loaded and can take it easy tomorrow.
Enjoy your camping trip!
re: #424 Spenser (with an S)So, day #5 of houseguests who seem very comfortable and in no hurry at all. 3 kids (added to our 4), 1 severe nut allergy, 2 on ADDHD meds and they keep snacking til all hours when mine need their sleep. They aren't horrible, but it's been tooo long. My dear bride is coming out of her skin and it's her friend who's visiting. We've got a camping trip coming up on Friday and I'm thinking of saying it's thurs and fake-packing the van today to speed things along.
Good idea. I have to check with work. Wait a minute... you're a member of the camping lobby, aren't you? Do you get a cut of this?
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Walter L. Newton Wed, Aug 19, 2009 6:49:40am |
re: #473 wahabicorridor
Ok, now THAT I agree with. You know what? He's never been beat up before and doesn't know how to take a punch
No kidding, and it is evident the way he responds when he is forced to actually be off teleprompter.
Honestly, almost all the Lizards here can form a sentence and get a thought across quicker and better than our President can.
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Leonidas Hoplite Wed, Aug 19, 2009 6:49:52am |
re: #475 Walter L. Newton
Well, Hewitt just posted it yesterday, and if you read...
"UPDATE: Ken Vogel just confirmed that his story in tomorrow's Politico delves into this issue and that Axelrod did not respond to Vogel's e-mail on the subject, though he has done so in the past. The transcript of the Vogel interview is here."
So, it's not a dead issue. It will start getting play.
Let's hope so.
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wahabicorridor Wed, Aug 19, 2009 6:50:35am |
re: #477 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Do you believe him? I sure don't.
I've never believed anything the man has ever said other when he tells us his name - and that he adores his family.
That's about it.
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opnion Wed, Aug 19, 2009 6:51:09am |
re: #462 albusteve
I don't remember this story...has the MSM been on it?...pretty big story
[Link: hughhewitt.townhall.com...]
Gibbs was asked about this at the Press Briefing yesterday.
He called any suspicion about Axlerod ridiculous.
A corrupt operator from the Chicago Machine? Never!
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redstateredneck Wed, Aug 19, 2009 6:51:40am |
re: #486 vxbush
'Allo, everyone. Eet ez a gorgeous day here.
Hey, {vx}
Gorgeous is good. Pretty gorgeous here as well, but rather...moist, shall we say?
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gonecamping Wed, Aug 19, 2009 6:52:15am |
Was that camping hobby or camping lobby...you mean I can get paid to go camping???
Where do I sign up?
re: #483 Spenser (with an S)
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wahabicorridor Wed, Aug 19, 2009 6:52:25am |
re: #486 vxbush
well good morning! Hey, meant to ask you. Have you ever tried putting that mocha flavored powder in your coffee? I use it instead of milk/cream. YUM!
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Walter L. Newton Wed, Aug 19, 2009 6:52:38am |
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opnion Wed, Aug 19, 2009 6:53:25am |
re: #470 albusteve
he certainly is a socialist...but you can split all the hairs you want, it's barely even worth this reply
If Obama was burning vigil candles to Karl Marx on prime time, his supporters would say that it means nothing.
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vxbush Wed, Aug 19, 2009 6:53:27am |
re: #489 redstateredneck
Hey, {vx}
Gorgeous is good. Pretty gorgeous here as well, but rather...moist, shall we say?
Well, we're supposed to get rain later, which I don't mind today. I'm not going anywhere. Tomorrow I have to go to Indiana, and I would prefer not to drive in the rain.
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vxbush Wed, Aug 19, 2009 6:53:55am |
re: #491 wahabicorridor
well good morning! Hey, meant to ask you. Have you ever tried putting that mocha flavored powder in your coffee? I use it instead of milk/cream. YUM!
I don't do coffee, alas. I can't stand it. I'll just take the chocolate for $200, Alex.
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reine.de.tout Wed, Aug 19, 2009 6:54:47am |
re: #416 lawhawk
Greets and saluts from the NYC metro area. We had quite the light show last nite as severe t-storms barreled through, and Central Park took it on the chin. More photos of the storm rolling in here.
Wow.
Spectacular photos.
Must have been some really heavy winds.
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redstateredneck Wed, Aug 19, 2009 6:54:56am |
re: #495 vxbush
Well, we're supposed to get rain later, which I don't mind today. I'm not going anywhere. Tomorrow I have to go to Indiana, and I would prefer not to drive in the rain.
I hear ya'. I don't like to drive in the rain, either.
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vxbush Wed, Aug 19, 2009 6:55:01am |
re: #496 midwestgak
Morning vx. How are you feeling today?
A little sleepy, but not bad. I had an allergy shot yesterday and I was worried I would react all freaky again, but they reduced the size of the shot and had me take antihistamines beforehand, and I was fine. Whew! Good news there.
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Spenser (with an S) Wed, Aug 19, 2009 6:56:02am |
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reine.de.tout Wed, Aug 19, 2009 6:56:11am |
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Coracle Wed, Aug 19, 2009 6:56:25am |
re: #466 Desert Dog
Which efforts would those be, Coracle? There has not been one thing bipartisan about Obama since he took the oath. Maybe I missed one, could you provide an example of Obama acting in a manner that "heals the wounds" and "ends the destructive partisan politics that have plagued Washington"?
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Kenneth Wed, Aug 19, 2009 6:56:32am |
re: #476 kcladderman
My uncle served in the RCAF during WWII, based in Britain. He was KIA in '42. It's great that Spielberg has put his talent, energy and money into producing these excellent series.
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Walter L. Newton Wed, Aug 19, 2009 6:56:58am |
re: #498 vxbush
Mid-state Illinois.
Ok, you were typing with what appeared to be a French accent, I thought maybe you were on vacation, or kidnapped by a Quebecian.
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vxbush Wed, Aug 19, 2009 6:57:18am |
re: #503 reine.de.tout
Mornin', y'all!
Things going well? Where is doppelganglander, anybody know?
No clue. I emailed her this morning but have heard nothing. I hope she's OK.
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redstateredneck Wed, Aug 19, 2009 6:57:26am |
re: #503 reine.de.tout
Mornin', y'all!
Things going well? Where is doppelganglander, anybody know?
She's missing in action on the scrabble game. Wonder what's up?
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Occasional Reader Wed, Aug 19, 2009 6:57:41am |
Good morning.
Unclenched Fist Watch, Day [whatever]:
Wave of Baghdad explosions kills at least 75
BAGHDAD – A truck bomb tore through Iraq's Foreign Ministry Wednesday, knocking out concrete slabs and windows and leaving a mass of charred cars outside as a wave of explosions around Baghdad killed at least 75 people.
It was the deadliest day in the capital since U.S. troops largely withdrew from cities on June 30 and a major challenge to Iraqi control of Baghdad. A steady escalation of attacks this month has sparked fears of a resurgence of violence ahead of next year's national elections.
And sprinkling a little bit of Liberal Media Cluelessness on top: NPR this morning, in reporting on these stories, said "the targets were several government ministry buildings, but the collateral damage was extensive."
Uh, guys? Terrorist attacks don't have "collateral damage". The randomized violence is the POINT.
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SasquatchOnSteroids Wed, Aug 19, 2009 6:57:46am |
I have a question.
Does Obama have any center right associations at all ?
All I've ever seen is lefty,lefty,lefty, and some more lefty.
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Flyers1974 Wed, Aug 19, 2009 6:58:04am |
re: #478 iceweasel
ooh! Dominican republic, I think you said? Something like that? Very excited for you!
Yes, thanks. One of those typical all-inclusive deals, so I doubt I'll be seeing anything but the resort itself. Interesting that Haiti is right next door.
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turn Wed, Aug 19, 2009 6:58:07am |
re: #486 vxbush
'Allo, everyone. Eet ez a gorgeous day here.
mning {vx} eat z knice da n sac two. Morning all, what are we yacking about today?
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vxbush Wed, Aug 19, 2009 6:58:08am |
re: #506 Walter L. Newton
Ok, you were typing with what appeared to be a French accent, I thought maybe you were on vacation, or kidnapped by a Quebecian.
Nope, I just felt the need to imitate Fleur Delacour...
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vxbush Wed, Aug 19, 2009 6:58:47am |
re: #509 redstateredneck
She's missing in action on the scrabble game. Wonder what's up?
When did she last post on Facebook? I know I saw her there in the last few days. Maybe she just didn't get my email that my play was done. It happens.
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redstateredneck Wed, Aug 19, 2009 6:58:52am |
re: #510 Occasional Reader
Heard as I was coming to work that they had discovered another truck laden with explosives.
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aboo-Hoo-Hoo Wed, Aug 19, 2009 6:59:23am |
re: #481 wahabicorridor
Hi aboo! I think there's a lot of Democratic hardening against health reform, too. In my perfect world, the Dems would 'go it alone' and STILL lose.
heh.
Hey there wahabi! Let's hope Dem constituents can slap some sense into their representatives before Rahm can get into his strong-arm routine. It is really a rotten, rotten situation - statist's to the left of us and nutz to the right with virtually any whacko(internal or ex.) capable of pulling the pin. ;)
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reine.de.tout Wed, Aug 19, 2009 6:59:31am |
re: #509 redstateredneck
She's missing in action on the scrabble game. Wonder what's up?
I'll send her an e-mail.
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MandyManners Wed, Aug 19, 2009 7:00:38am |
re: #510 Occasional Reader
Good morning.
Unclenched Fist Watch, Day [whatever]:
Wave of Baghdad explosions kills at least 75
And sprinkling a little bit of Liberal Media Cluelessness on top: NPR this morning, in reporting on these stories, said "the targets were several government ministry buildings, but the collateral damage was extensive."Uh, guys? Terrorist attacks don't have "collateral damage". The randomized violence is the POINT.
Perhaps NPR is trying to confer governmental status on the terrorists.
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realwest Wed, Aug 19, 2009 7:01:24am |
Good morning y'all - from a very warm (79 degrees, going up to 92 degrees with T-Storms likely later on today) currently sunny Charlotte!
We are doing ok today and I hope everyone else is also!
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redstateredneck Wed, Aug 19, 2009 7:01:27am |
re: #515 vxbush
When did she last post on Facebook? I know I saw her there in the last few days. Maybe she just didn't get my email that my play was done. It happens.
Her last status update was the 15th. Now I'm getting worried.
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wahabicorridor Wed, Aug 19, 2009 7:01:56am |
re: #510 Occasional Reader
In other news from The Dept. of Media Cluelessness: Di anyone see Chris Matthews Monday nite? He was talking about Medicaire. Said 'after you retire and stop paying into it it, it's all free"
Must have said it 3 times at least.
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Coracle Wed, Aug 19, 2009 7:02:10am |
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vxbush Wed, Aug 19, 2009 7:02:13am |
re: #521 redstateredneck
Her last status update was the 15th. Now I'm getting worried.
No, I can see that she posted something yesterday and Monday, even if she didn't write anything down. So she's around and about.
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Occasional Reader Wed, Aug 19, 2009 7:02:16am |
re: #422 Kenneth
The Pacific
The trailer for an upcoming miniseries by the producers of A Band of Brothers, on the Pacific theater of WWII:
William Shakespeare, Henry V
Muchas gracias! Great news indeed.
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redstateredneck Wed, Aug 19, 2009 7:02:21am |
re: #520 realwest
Hey, {real}. How are you and {mom} today?
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Millicent Islam Wed, Aug 19, 2009 7:02:31am |
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midwestgak Wed, Aug 19, 2009 7:02:42am |
re: #513 turn
Morning {turn}. Just talking openly on the open thread. :)
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vxbush Wed, Aug 19, 2009 7:02:47am |
re: #522 wahabicorridor
In other news from The Dept. of Media Cluelessness: Di anyone see Chris Matthews Monday nite? He was talking about Medicaire. Said 'after you retire and stop paying into it it, it's all free"
Must have said it 3 times at least.
Cluelessness run amok is not a pretty sight.
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redstateredneck Wed, Aug 19, 2009 7:02:53am |
re: #522 wahabicorridor
In other news from The Dept. of Media Cluelessness: Di anyone see Chris Matthews Monday nite? He was talking about Medicaire. Said 'after you retire and stop paying into it it, it's all free"
Must have said it 3 times at least.
He is such a dumbass.
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Coracle Wed, Aug 19, 2009 7:02:59am |
re: #511 SasquatchOnSteroids
I have a question.
Does Obama have any center right associations at all ?
All I've ever seen is lefty,lefty,lefty, and some more lefty.
See link #2 in #504
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albusteve Wed, Aug 19, 2009 7:03:06am |
porkulus has gone missing...
[Link: latimesblogs.latimes.com...]
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SasquatchOnSteroids Wed, Aug 19, 2009 7:03:23am |
re: #520 realwest
Good morning y'all - from a very warm (79 degrees, going up to 92 degrees with T-Storms likely later on today) currently sunny Charlotte!
We are doing ok today and I hope everyone else is also!
Morning, real. Glad you're feeling OK today.
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redstateredneck Wed, Aug 19, 2009 7:03:28am |
re: #524 vxbush
No, I can see that she posted something yesterday and Monday, even if she didn't write anything down. So she's around and about.
Whew! That's good to know.
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Aye Pod Wed, Aug 19, 2009 7:03:40am |
[Link: standpointmag.co.uk...]
By Nick Cohen
The Real Lockerbie Conspiracy?
Here is another reason why I am highly dubious about the claims that the Lockerbie trial was a miscarriage of justice. In the late 1990s, David Shayler left MI5 and blew every secret he could to the press. He worked on the Lockerbie files, however, and insisted that the case was above board. (I should add that Shayler has since become the nuttiest of conspiracy theorists and insists that Jews - or "Zionists" as modern anti-semites say - are everywhere. If even he doesn't believe there is was a conspiracy in the Lockerbie case, then there wasn't.)
Instead of looking at the trial, maybe it is better to keep an eye on the reports about Peter Mandelson meeting Gaddafi's son in Corfu, who in a pardoy of the dictatorship's leftist rhetoric is likely to succeed his old brute of a father in true monarchical fashion. ("They've given up on socialism in one country and replaced it with socialism in one family," as we used to say of Ceausescu's Romania.)
Although Libya was effectively at war with Britain and America in the 1980s, we are all now allies in the war against radical Islam. In other words, the British establishment may be very keen to get the Libyan out. Gadaffi pere et fils would be happy and Mandy would be happy. Every interest would be satisfied by drawing a veil over the affair, except the interests of justice.
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reine.de.tout Wed, Aug 19, 2009 7:03:59am |
re: #521 redstateredneck
Her last status update was the 15th. Now I'm getting worried.
Yes, me too. Her last post here was Monday.
I just posted to her FB - told her we were worried. Hope things are OK.
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wahabicorridor Wed, Aug 19, 2009 7:04:03am |
I've got an 11 am appt to get ready for. See y'all later.
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SasquatchOnSteroids Wed, Aug 19, 2009 7:04:46am |
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Kenneth Wed, Aug 19, 2009 7:05:08am |
re: #493 Jimmah
Another video on that page reveals the truly sick nature of the wingnuts out there:
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Kenneth Wed, Aug 19, 2009 7:05:49am |
re: #506 Walter L. Newton
Ok, you were typing with what appeared to be a French accent, I thought maybe you were on vacation, or kidnapped by a Quebecian.
What's a "Quebecian"?
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vxbush Wed, Aug 19, 2009 7:06:05am |
re: #538 SasquatchOnSteroids
Oh, Jesus. We are truly fucked.
Okay, I know why I'm concerned about the list of "conservatives", as I don't think of Snow and Collins as conservatives. But talking to David Brooks? I have no problem with him as a media person, but that not who I would look to for advice.
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albusteve Wed, Aug 19, 2009 7:06:20am |
more on Axelgate...I'd love to see this guy go down
[Link: www.politico.com...]
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turn Wed, Aug 19, 2009 7:06:32am |
re: #520 realwest
Good morning y'all - from a very warm (79 degrees, going up to 92 degrees with T-Storms likely later on today) currently sunny Charlotte!
We are doing ok today and I hope everyone else is also!
Morning real, glad to here you and mom are doing ok. The turnwife and I had a romantic dinner last night celebrating our 30th wedding anniversary. The MIL brought over a photo montage she had made of all the things we have fond memories of. There was a picture of our two boys, a picture of her and I embracing one another when we were a young couple (I had LONG hair), and a picture of Luke! It was really special.
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midwestgak Wed, Aug 19, 2009 7:06:50am |
re: #520 realwest
Good Morning {real}. It's a beautiful day in the suburbs of Chicago. Cool, dry and sunny. Rain comes later.
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reine.de.tout Wed, Aug 19, 2009 7:07:01am |
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vxbush Wed, Aug 19, 2009 7:07:11am |
re: #544 turn
Morning real, glad to here you and mom are doing ok. The turnwife and I had a romantic dinner last night celebrating our 30th wedding anniversary. The MIL brought over a photo montage she had made of all the things we have fond memories of. There was a picture of our two boys, a picture of her and I embracing one another when we were a young couple (I had LONG hair), and a picture of Luke! It was really special.
How excellent. What a great gift from her.
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lawhawk Wed, Aug 19, 2009 7:07:21am |
re: #458 Kenneth
Speaking of military history, I just got my hands on Intrepid: The Epic Story of America's Most Legendary Warship. It's the story of the men who made the Intrepid the legendary aircraft carrier that now resides on the West Side of Manhattan as a museum.
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Walter Cronanty Wed, Aug 19, 2009 7:07:30am |
re: #511 SasquatchOnSteroids
You mean like these ties? [Link: pajamasmedia.com...]
"In the mid 1990s, ACORN and the SEIU partnered with other leftist groups to help form the Marxist New Party, a political coalition. In 1995, Obama sought out their nomination. He was successful in obtaining that endorsement and used a number of New Party volunteers as campaign workers.
The fact that Obama received the New Party’s endorsement in his first run for office cannot be dismissed as insignificant. On the contrary, Obama’s ties to the New Party and the New Party’s backers at ACORN and the SEIU are long-standing, substantial, and reveal a great deal about his personal political allegiances.
The New Party’s biggest wins in the country were in Chicago, including Obama’s victory in his 1996 run for the Illinois Senate."
And who has President Obama called for support at the town hall meetings? Three guesses.
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Walter L. Newton Wed, Aug 19, 2009 7:07:47am |
re: #541 Kenneth
What's a "Quebecian"?
I know that is not the correct name for someone from Quebec, I know the correct pronunciation, wasn't sure of the spelling.
Help?
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lawhawk Wed, Aug 19, 2009 7:08:01am |
re: #499 reine.de.tout
Where I was in NJ, all we got was the light show. The heavy winds were all to the South and East of us - in Manhattan.
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Occasional Reader Wed, Aug 19, 2009 7:08:02am |
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reine.de.tout Wed, Aug 19, 2009 7:08:08am |
re: #551 Walter L. Newton
I know that is not the correct name for someone from Quebec, I know the correct pronunciation, wasn't sure of the spelling.
Help?
Quebecois?
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vxbush Wed, Aug 19, 2009 7:08:33am |
re: #551 Walter L. Newton
I know that is not the correct name for someone from Quebec, I know the correct pronunciation, wasn't sure of the spelling.
Help?
Quebecois?
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kcladderman Wed, Aug 19, 2009 7:08:38am |
re: #548 lawhawk
I have that one in my bookcase in the read soon section
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Aye Pod Wed, Aug 19, 2009 7:08:50am |
re: #527 iceweasel
I really love the new SP link, btw. ;)
Such an awesome episode. I don't know if they won any awards for that, but they should have. That entire series (series 8) is their best I think.
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realwest Wed, Aug 19, 2009 7:09:01am |
I took my usual morning stroll through the fields of the spin off links today and what do I find? A column by Nat Hentoff - a noted Liberal, perhaps one of the most prominent writers of Jazz music in a generation, and a solid Democrat writing how (and why) he's finally "Scared of the White House". Check the link to find out why.
I also noted that California intends to tax folks on their IOU's from the State of California which are handed out by the state in lieu of refund checks(!) and that some California State Democrats are increasing their staff's salaries, while their state is ready to go bankrupt, and not disclosing that information - except, apparently, to a beat reporter over martinis. See the spin off links for that story as well.
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redstateredneck Wed, Aug 19, 2009 7:09:08am |
re: #544 turn
Morning real, glad to here you and mom are doing ok. The turnwife and I had a romantic dinner last night celebrating our 30th wedding anniversary. The MIL brought over a photo montage she had made of all the things we have fond memories of. There was a picture of our two boys, a picture of her and I embracing one another when we were a young couple (I had LONG hair), and a picture of Luke! It was really special.
Awww, that sounds great!
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turn Wed, Aug 19, 2009 7:09:11am |
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Walter L. Newton Wed, Aug 19, 2009 7:09:16am |
re: #554 reine.de.tout
Quebecois?
Thanks, on this end I was trying to spell it "Quebecque" and that didn't look right.
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vxbush Wed, Aug 19, 2009 7:09:25am |
re: #556 kcladderman
I have that one in my bookcase in the read soon section
And I just started Ender's Game. I've never read Orson Scott Card. Should be fun.
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redstateredneck Wed, Aug 19, 2009 7:11:23am |
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turn Wed, Aug 19, 2009 7:11:44am |
re: #547 vxbush
How excellent. What a great gift from her.
I have the greatest MIL, she is so sweet. I wanted to take the montage in to work here but turnwife said no way!
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Kenneth Wed, Aug 19, 2009 7:12:13am |
re: #510 Occasional Reader
Good morning.
Unclenched Fist Watch, Day [whatever]:
Wave of Baghdad explosions kills at least 75
And sprinkling a little bit of Liberal Media Cluelessness on top: NPR this morning, in reporting on these stories, said "the targets were several government ministry buildings, but the collateral damage was extensive."
Uh, guys? Terrorist attacks don't have "collateral damage". The randomized violence is the POINT.
Referring to the intentional willful violence of a terrorist bomb as "collateral damage" is as absurd as calling a the death of a suicide bomber a "friendly fire" incident.
Further proof, as if it was ever necessary, that leftist journalists have no moral compass.
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reine.de.tout Wed, Aug 19, 2009 7:12:22am |
re: #552 lawhawk
Where I was in NJ, all we got was the light show. The heavy winds were all to the South and East of us - in Manhattan.
The light show was spectacular.
I must be a complete idiot, because I love a great storm like that, though I'm always praying no one gets hurt.
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lawhawk Wed, Aug 19, 2009 7:12:44am |
re: #538 SasquatchOnSteroids
Oh, Jesus. We are truly fucked.
Well, it's not like Obama's going to listen to folks who didn't make up the Gang of 14. He's going to listen to the moderate/liberal GOPers. He was never going to listen to the right wing of the GOP, and even on this, the left will see this as a sell-out of their positions, particularly on health care.
That's why we're going to see the left complaining about anything other than single payer. They know they have the numbers in Congress to make it happen, but Obama realizes that any push to single payer might result in losing Congress in a big way in 2010 and his chances in 2012 slip precipitously especially if the economy continues to lumber along in the doldrums.
Democrats can pass health care in any fashion they see fit right now - they own Congress and the White House, so the debate isn't so much a debate as to provide political cover into 2010 and 2012.
The anger is over the arrogance of the White House to impose something that most Americans are instinctively opposed to - a government imposed health care system that is unaffordable even in the best of times.
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realwest Wed, Aug 19, 2009 7:12:54am |
re: #522 wahabicorridor
So how come I have to pay over $700 a month for medicare if it's for free?!
Oh, wait, were you talking about Tingly Chrissy Matthews? Well, never mind then,y'all would have to hit him with a freight train to convince him it's not a good idea to try to cross railroad tracks while the gates are down and the red lights flashing.
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Killian Bundy Wed, Aug 19, 2009 7:13:04am |
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Leonidas Hoplite Wed, Aug 19, 2009 7:13:48am |
re: #562 vxbush
And I just started Ender's Game. I've never read Orson Scott Card. Should be fun.
Great book. Enjoy!
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Occasional Reader Wed, Aug 19, 2009 7:13:51am |
re: #565 Kenneth
Referring to the intentional willful violence of a terrorist bomb as "collateral damage" is as absurd as calling a the death of a suicide bomber a "friendly fire" incident.
Reminds me of the liberal relative who referred to "those hotel fires" in Mumbai. (Really.)
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Millicent Islam Wed, Aug 19, 2009 7:13:56am |
re: #557 Jimmah
Such an awesome episode. I don't know if they won any awards for that, but they should have. That entire series (series 8) is their best I think.
I have to check out series 8...I loved that episode.
BTW, here's my favourite Glenn Beck mashup. I swore I couldn't look at any because he's a crazy person, but this one...had to love.
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albusteve Wed, Aug 19, 2009 7:14:05am |
re: #558 realwest
I took my usual morning stroll through the fields of the spin off links today and what do I find? A column by Nat Hentoff - a noted Liberal, perhaps one of the most prominent writers of Jazz music in a generation, and a solid Democrat writing how (and why) he's finally "Scared of the White House". Check the link to find out why.
I also noted that California intends to tax folks on their IOU's from the State of California which are handed out by the state in lieu of refund checks(!) and that some California State Democrats are increasing their staff's salaries, while their state is ready to go bankrupt, and not disclosing that information - except, apparently, to a beat reporter over martinis. See the spin off links for that story as well.
CA is adding state jobs to it's bloated payrolls too...union probably, something over 3000 this year so far?
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realwest Wed, Aug 19, 2009 7:14:10am |
re: #526 redstateredneck
Hey {red} - yeah, we're doing ok, I guess - how's about yourownself - how are you doing?
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gonecamping Wed, Aug 19, 2009 7:14:15am |
I read that article about the IOUs being taxed...wonder if the State of California will take an IOU.
And talk about hypocrisy...raising the staff salaries while furloughing State employees.
re: #558 realwest
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lawhawk Wed, Aug 19, 2009 7:14:24am |
re: #556 kcladderman
Years back, I met White at the USS Intrepid. Very nice guy and completely dedicated to turning the ship into a great museum to retain the history of the ship, the Navy, and its illustrious endeavors to protect and defend the nation, as well as its contributions to the space race.
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Walter L. Newton Wed, Aug 19, 2009 7:14:28am |
re: #562 vxbush
And I just started Ender's Game. I've never read Orson Scott Card. Should be fun.
I'm about 75 pages from the end of Stephenson's "Quicksilver" and then I will be taking a pulp adventure break with Preston and Childs "Mount Dragon" before I go back to Stephenson with book two of his Baroque series "The Confusion." ending with book three "The System of the World."
I've never much like historical fiction too much, but this guy really makes it fun and interesting and you actually learn a lot of real history. And he gives you enough info in his introductions and appendixes so you can clearly know what is fiction and what is fact.
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Kenneth Wed, Aug 19, 2009 7:14:41am |
re: #551 Walter L. Newton
I know that is not the correct name for someone from Quebec, I know the correct pronunciation, wasn't sure of the spelling.
Help?
Quebecois is the usual term, pronouced "Ke-beck-wah"
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Aye Pod Wed, Aug 19, 2009 7:14:56am |
re: #539 Kenneth
Another video on that page reveals the truly sick nature of the wingnuts out there:
Very disturbing indeed. The commentary is spot on:
...Still, you can see in her eyes that she is frantically checking an exhaustive catalog of political outrages in the back of her mind—which is worse, supporting healthcare reform, or yelling "Heil Hitler" at a Jew?
She quickly decides that it's the former, and tells the Israeli that, as a Jew, he should be more frightened than anyone of Obama's policies. It's about as comprehensive a tangle of our current political dynamic as we've seen—a middle-aged white woman who seems to believe that Jews are good to the extent that Israel is good because Israel kills Arabs but bad to the extent that one of them supports socialized medicine shouts "Heil Hitler" at an Israeli because Hitler was bad to the extent that he was like Obama but was also good to the extent that he was against Communist Jews. It's taxing to remember where the political lines are drawn when the only thing you care about is hating the president.
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laZardo Wed, Aug 19, 2009 7:15:36am |
re: #561 Walter L. Newton
Thanks, on this end I was trying to spell it "Quebecque" and that didn't look right.
QBQ?
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Learned Mother of Zion Wed, Aug 19, 2009 7:15:43am |
re: #577 Walter L. Newton
I'm about 75 pages from the end of Stephenson's "Quicksilver" and then I will be taking a pulp adventure break with Preston and Childs "Mount Dragon" before I go back to Stephenson with book two of his Baroque series "The Confusion." ending with book three "The System of the World."
I've never much like historical fiction too much, but this guy really makes it fun and interesting and you actually learn a lot of real history. And he gives you enough info in his introductions and appendixes so you can clearly know what is fiction and what is fact.
I just read Daniel Levin's "The Last Ember." Da Vinci Code meets Indy Jones. It's a great read!
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Sharmuta Wed, Aug 19, 2009 7:15:45am |
For anyone interested in following euro-politics, here's a good read on Spain:
This folkloric vision of Spain and its distinctively different parts still has the power to charm Spaniards and foreigners alike. But three decades of devolution, following the death of the dictator Francisco Franco in 1975 and the launch of a democratic constitution three years later, have added an intensely political and sometimes bitter flavour to Spanish discussions about their regional differences.
With the national economy in deep recession, Spain’s devolution debate seems to be coming towards a head. Although there is no imminent risk of a split such as the one that divided Czechoslovakia, the arguments are more intense than in just about any other nation state of western Europe.
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realwest Wed, Aug 19, 2009 7:15:52am |
re: #533 SasquatchOnSteroids Why thank you Sasquatch! How are you doing today?
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Occasional Reader Wed, Aug 19, 2009 7:16:36am |
re: #416 lawhawk
Greets and saluts from the NYC metro area. We had quite the light show last nite as severe t-storms barreled through, and Central Park took it on the chin. More photos of the storm rolling in here.
Like you, I love watching a powerful electrical storm (from a safe location).
Noted from that first link:
Trees in Central Park did not fair much better.
Gah.
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Kenneth Wed, Aug 19, 2009 7:16:45am |
re: #548 lawhawk
Very interesting book! Thanks for the link.
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redstateredneck Wed, Aug 19, 2009 7:16:47am |
re: #566 reine.de.tout
The light show was spectacular.
I must be a complete idiot, because I love a great storm like that, though I'm always praying no one gets hurt.
I do, too. Have since I was a little kid.
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BlueCanuck Wed, Aug 19, 2009 7:17:07am |
re: #577 Walter L. Newton
Loved that series. The characters are great, and just looking at how science was done in the time of Newton is awesome.
/yes I do know that parts were fantastical, not talking about those parts.
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Learned Mother of Zion Wed, Aug 19, 2009 7:17:25am |
re: #586 redstateredneck
I do, too. Have since I was a little kid.
But it sucks when the power goes out.
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Spenser (with an S) Wed, Aug 19, 2009 7:17:47am |
re: #581 Alouette
I just read Daniel Levin's "The Last Ember." Da Vinci Code meets Indy Jones. It's a great read!
I'll check it out. For historical fiction, I love Bernard Cornwell for the really old stuff and I like Jeff Shaara's WWII novelizations.
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redstateredneck Wed, Aug 19, 2009 7:18:02am |
re: #574 realwest
Hey {red} - yeah, we're doing ok, I guess - how's about yourownself - how are you doing?
Myownself is fine, thanks. Daughter #2 started 2nd year of college today. Buh-bye, money...
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SurferDoc Wed, Aug 19, 2009 7:18:09am |
re: #519 MandyManners
Perhaps NPR is trying to confer governmental status on the terrorists.
Yes. I think that was 'clueless' by design.
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turn Wed, Aug 19, 2009 7:18:46am |
re: #590 redstateredneck
Myownself is fine, thanks. Daughter #2 started 2nd year of college today. Buh-bye, money...
Hock the plane!
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aboo-Hoo-Hoo Wed, Aug 19, 2009 7:18:51am |
Himmicane Bill at cat 4 - ugh.
Damn I hate hurricanes...no matter where.
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albusteve Wed, Aug 19, 2009 7:19:01am |
re: #589 Spenser (with an S)
I'll check it out. For historical fiction, I love Bernard Cornwell for the really old stuff and I like Jeff Shaara's WWII novelizations.
Cornwell rules...just finished his King Albert series
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Occasional Reader Wed, Aug 19, 2009 7:19:44am |
YO, STINKY!
I have to say, the control buttons "jumping around" seems particularly bad today. Particularly annoying is when you try to bold, quote, or link text, and the codes "miss"; that is, they land right in the middle of the text you're trying to modify, rather than capturing it.
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albusteve Wed, Aug 19, 2009 7:19:47am |
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realwest Wed, Aug 19, 2009 7:19:57am |
re: #544 turn Hey Turn - I'm glad to hear that - great anniversary gift and wow, 30 years!Must be made for each other! Mazel Tov!
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Learned Mother of Zion Wed, Aug 19, 2009 7:20:19am |
re: #594 albusteve
Cornwell rules...just finished his King Albert series
If you like historical fiction, try C.J. Sansom's mysteries set in London during the time of Henry VIII.
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Gang of One Wed, Aug 19, 2009 7:20:35am |
Good morning, Real. Glad to hear you and mom are doing OK.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Aug 19, 2009 7:20:42am |
My new job just called and asked me not to come in today to save labor cost. A 4 hour shift!! GONE!! CHANGE!!
/good thing I have a fresh 12 pack...
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realwest Wed, Aug 19, 2009 7:20:55am |
re: #545 midwestgak
Hi ya {gak} - hell, I'd gladly switch weather with you!
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lincolntf Wed, Aug 19, 2009 7:21:31am |
re: #600 Cannadian Club Akbar
It's like a snow day, enjoy it.
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gonecamping Wed, Aug 19, 2009 7:21:43am |
Thanks for the tip...always looking for a good abook to read and you gave an eye catching description.
re: #581 Alouette
I just read Daniel Levin's "The Last Ember." Da Vinci Code meets Indy Jones. It's a great read!
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albusteve Wed, Aug 19, 2009 7:22:11am |
re: #598 Alouette
If you like historical fiction, try C.J. Sansom's mysteries set in London during the time of Henry VIII.
I like war and adventure stuff, but I'll google him...I'm halfway through Wilbur Smiths newest, easily my favorite
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SasquatchOnSteroids Wed, Aug 19, 2009 7:22:39am |
re: #583 realwest
No complaints. Waiting for the cable guy...
At least I'm off work for the day. Woot.
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Occasional Reader Wed, Aug 19, 2009 7:22:58am |
re: #581 Alouette
I just read Daniel Levin's "The Last Ember." Da Vinci Code meets Indy Jones. It's a great read!
I don't know that book in particular, but I have to say, I'm getting thoroughly sick of the whole Da Vinci Code-spawned, highly repetitive genre. "THIS time, it's a secret code embedded in... hmm... Mozart manuscripts! Yeah, that's the ticket!"
Not to mention that to my mind, The Da Vinci Code itself was a sort of dumbed-down attempt to copy the zeitgeist of Foucault's Pendulum.
/rant off
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realwest Wed, Aug 19, 2009 7:23:43am |
re: #548 lawhawk
Good morning lawhawk and congrat's on getting that book!
I LOVE the Intrepid museum - though I helped - in a small way - in originally setting it up, I haven't seen it since she came back from Joisey - how's she looking these days? Still a Sea, Air and Space Museum?!
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SasquatchOnSteroids Wed, Aug 19, 2009 7:23:56am |
re: #600 Cannadian Club Akbar
My new job just called and asked me not to come in today to save labor cost. A 4 hour shift!! GONE!! CHANGE!!
/good thing I have a fresh 12 pack...
Better than a 3 hour tour.
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kcladderman Wed, Aug 19, 2009 7:24:02am |
re: #576 lawhawk
I think every carrier sailor in the navy wants to see his ship made into a museum. I served on the USS Independence seeing those once mighty ships sitting stripped and rusting in the shipyards is a sad sight indeed.
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sattv4u2 Wed, Aug 19, 2009 7:24:04am |
re: #605 SasquatchOnSteroids
No complaints. Waiting for the cable guy...
At least I'm off work for the day. Woot.
Jim Carrey is coming to your house?
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Spenser (with an S) Wed, Aug 19, 2009 7:24:04am |
re: #594 albusteve
Cornwell rules...just finished his King Albert series
Truly great characterizations. I get sucked in completely to a character and then a new series comes out and Idrag my feet, saying "It will never be like how much I loved ___" but then... I do!
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Coracle Wed, Aug 19, 2009 7:24:07am |
On Obama's "Socialism"
Billy Wharton disagrees.
The funny thing is, of course, that socialists know that Barack Obama is not one of us. Not only is he not a socialist, he may in fact not even be a liberal. Socialists understand him more as a hedge-fund Democrat -- one of a generation of neoliberal politicians firmly committed to free-market policies.
On Human Events: Pre-election snippets from Socialist acitivstas and party members.
And, I'm sure a most welcome link for many here: TNR, Obama vs. Marx
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Wed, Aug 19, 2009 7:24:33am |
re: #606 Occasional Reader
I like dumbed down, thank you very much.
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albusteve Wed, Aug 19, 2009 7:24:39am |
re: #607 realwest
Good morning lawhawk and congrat's on getting that book!
I LOVE the Intrepid museum - though I helped - in a small way - in originally setting it up, I haven't seen it since she came back from Joisey - how's she looking these days? Still a Sea, Air and Space Museum?!
I'm envious...I want to see her, next trip up there will special
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redstateredneck Wed, Aug 19, 2009 7:25:01am |
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midwestgak Wed, Aug 19, 2009 7:25:01am |
re: #566 reine.de.tout
The light show was spectacular.
I must be a complete idiot, because I love a great storm like that, though I'm always praying no one gets hurt.
Growing up in a rural area, our backyard butted up to a farmer's corn field. Corn stalks as far as the eye could see. Storms would usually come from the southwest. We would watch the clouds develop and blow toward our direction.
We could hear the rain coming closer and closer as it pelted the stalks. We would wait until it got really close. Then we would run into the house. Playing a game with the rain. What a memory.
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aboo-Hoo-Hoo Wed, Aug 19, 2009 7:25:02am |
Court To Obama - Transparency? Not!
Joe Biden spilled the beans on Obama's coming war on coal during the campaign and they denied it. Now, Obama has been caught carrying it out under the radar by a Federal Court.Fortunately, they've temporarily stopped Obama from yet another economy-crimping move he didn't want you to know about. Even the unions are against it and also complaining about a lack of transparency along with the Federal Court. But that wasn't going to stop the dictator-in-chief from paying off his Green constituency without the required public comment and notice procedures. Why bother with that, when Obama already knows what he wants to do? Read the quote below regarding what we were told would be the most transparent administration evah!
Surprise...surprise. /
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SasquatchOnSteroids Wed, Aug 19, 2009 7:25:03am |
re: #610 sattv4u2
Jim Carrey is coming to your house?
If he starts talkin' with his ass, I swear to God he's gettin' the boot.
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turn Wed, Aug 19, 2009 7:25:10am |
re: #597 realwest
Hey Turn - I'm glad to hear that - great anniversary gift and wow, 30 years!Must be made for each other! Mazel Tov!
Thanks real. Yes it was a special gift the MIL gave us. The craigslist lady I'm buying a string of pearls from for the turnwife flaked out on me yesterday. I had an email from her this morning, I think the deal will go down today. I've found out this is a huge bargain I'm getting. I can't believe the detail this lady is giving me on the background of these pearls. As it turns out she is getting rid of them because they were a gift from an ex lover she had a falling out with.
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Aye Pod Wed, Aug 19, 2009 7:25:53am |
re: #572 iceweasel
I have to check out series 8...I loved that episode.
You must see episode 1 - Awesome-O - one of the funniest things I've ever seen. Gotta dash now - back later!
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Kenneth Wed, Aug 19, 2009 7:25:56am |
re: #589 Spenser (with an S)
Cornwall is great! I read his Arthurian series and then Azincourt, about the Battle of Agincourt, from where the phrase Band of Brothers came.
It's also said that the British soldier's practice of showing his two fingers at an enemy as a gesture of defiance & victory began there. It's not a "V" for victory as commonly thought. The French had a practice of chopping off the fingers of any English archer they caught. So when the Battle was won, in large measure by the English longbows, it was the archers' way of telling the French to go to hell.
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turn Wed, Aug 19, 2009 7:25:58am |
re: #599 Gang of One
Good morning, Real. Glad to hear you and mom are doing OK.
How are you doing gang? Are you sleeping better?
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Learned Mother of Zion Wed, Aug 19, 2009 7:26:04am |
re: #606 Occasional Reader
I don't know that book in particular, but I have to say, I'm getting thoroughly sick of the whole Da Vinci Code-spawned, highly repetitive genre. "THIS time, it's a secret code embedded in... hmm... Mozart manuscripts! Yeah, that's the ticket!"
Not to mention that to my mind, The Da Vinci Code itself was a sort of dumbed-down attempt to copy the zeitgeist of Foucault's Pendulum.
/rant off
"The Last Ember" is really good. I have read a bunch of "Da Vinci Code" knockoffs, but this one beats Dan Brown hands down.
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Walter L. Newton Wed, Aug 19, 2009 7:26:28am |
re: #587 BlueCanuck
Loved that series. The characters are great, and just looking at how science was done in the time of Newton is awesome.
/yes I do know that parts were fantastical, not talking about those parts.
As I have been reading, I have been looking up references and talking to my girlfriend who has a Masters in History, and most of the science is true. The scientist mentioned in these books were surprisingly further ahead of things then a lot of us realize.
I was totally surprised by that fictional letter from Leibniz that displays knowledge of general relativity. Guess what, he was thinking about things like that. I was blown away.
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Spenser (with an S) Wed, Aug 19, 2009 7:26:30am |
re: #604 albusteve
I'm halfway through Wilbur Smiths newest, easily my favorite
Also rules. Is Assegi his latest? Great stuff.
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Rancher Wed, Aug 19, 2009 7:26:43am |
There is every indication that this war will become worse than I saw in Iraq.
Michael Yon on the Afghan war.
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Sharmuta Wed, Aug 19, 2009 7:27:13am |
I'm sure pamela and friends would find this amusing:
Vandals hung a pig's head from the door of a Muslim prayer room in eastern France, daubing the building top to bottom with swastikas and anti-Islamic graffiti, police said on Wednesday.
A passer-by alerted police on Wednesday morning after discovering the pig's head hung from the door and trotters from the shutters of the prayer centre, part of a north African community centre on the outskirts of the town of Toul.
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albusteve Wed, Aug 19, 2009 7:27:21am |
re: #611 Spenser (with an S)
Truly great characterizations. I get sucked in completely to a character and then a new series comes out and Idrag my feet, saying "It will never be like how much I loved ___" but then... I do!
I think he has another Archer book in the works too...and of course Agincourt
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Occasional Reader Wed, Aug 19, 2009 7:27:38am |
re: #616 midwestgak
Growing up in a rural area, our backyard butted up to a farmer's corn field. Corn stalks as far as the eye could see.
So is it fair to say you were one of the... Children of the Corn?
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Walter L. Newton Wed, Aug 19, 2009 7:27:46am |
re: #623 Alouette
"The Last Ember" is really good. I have read a bunch of "Da Vinci Code" knockoffs, but this one beats Dan Brown hands down.
Anything beats Dan Brown.
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redstateredneck Wed, Aug 19, 2009 7:28:35am |
re: #629 Occasional Reader
So is it fair to say you were one of the... Children of the Corn?
"Leave us alone..."
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Killian Bundy Wed, Aug 19, 2009 7:28:42am |
re: #626 Rancher
Michael Yon on the Afghan war.
/when the Taliban can mortar the presidential compound in Kabul, at will, that's not a good omen
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albusteve Wed, Aug 19, 2009 7:29:34am |
re: #625 Spenser (with an S)
Also rules. Is Assegi his latest? Great stuff.
yes...another fine yarn...back to Africa and the Courtneys
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MandyManners Wed, Aug 19, 2009 7:29:43am |
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Occasional Reader Wed, Aug 19, 2009 7:29:48am |
re: #621 Kenneth
Cornwall is great! I read his Arthurian series and then Azincourt, about the Battle of Agincourt, from where the phrase Band of Brothers came.
It's also said that the British soldier's practice of showing his two fingers at an enemy as a gesture of defiance & victory began there. It's not a "V" for victory as commonly thought. The French had a practice of chopping off the fingers of any English archer they caught. So when the Battle was won, in large measure by the English longbows, it was the archers' way of telling the French to go to hell.
Sorry. Urban legend.
(Although I'm not sure what's "urban" about it.)
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reine.de.tout Wed, Aug 19, 2009 7:30:07am |
re: #588 Alouette
But it sucks when the power goes out.
When our power goes out from a storm, it is likely to be out for days or a week or two.
Thus, we have a generator. Best purchase we ever made. Though it is used infrequently, when we need it, we really need it.
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sattv4u2 Wed, Aug 19, 2009 7:30:26am |
re: #612 Coracle
On Obama's "Socialism"
Billy Wharton disagrees.
that socialists know that Barack Obama is not one of us
Sorta like Yao Ming saying that Shaq isn't tall enough!
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Wed, Aug 19, 2009 7:30:47am |
re: #624 Walter L. Newton
Most of the time the newest smart guy is standing on the shoulders of the last smart guy, etc...
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reine.de.tout Wed, Aug 19, 2009 7:30:58am |
re: #616 midwestgak
Growing up in a rural area, our backyard butted up to a farmer's corn field. Corn stalks as far as the eye could see. Storms would usually come from the southwest. We would watch the clouds develop and blow toward our direction.
We could hear the rain coming closer and closer as it pelted the stalks. We would wait until it got really close. Then we would run into the house. Playing a game with the rain. What a memory.
What a great memory!
I'm enjoying it too, and it isn't even my memory.
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Gang of One Wed, Aug 19, 2009 7:31:02am |
re: #622 turn
How are you doing gang? Are you sleeping better?
Well, I am getting fewer sleepless nights, but this past week was not a good one. Even had some night-terrors [I thought those happened only to youngsters] on two of those nights. But in general, the pattern is not nearly as bad as before. Thank you for asking, I truly appreciate that.
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kansas Wed, Aug 19, 2009 7:31:20am |
55% blame the economy on Bush. My local rag's editorial whined, "Look at the cards Obama was dealt." OK, when I get a turd hand playing poker, and everyone at the table knows it, I do not go all in.
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midwestgak Wed, Aug 19, 2009 7:31:26am |
re: #629 Occasional Reader
So is it fair to say you were one of the... Children of the Corn?
Yes. Stephen King got his ideas for his book from my experiences./
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vxbush Wed, Aug 19, 2009 7:31:29am |
re: #613 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
I like dumbed down, thank you very much.
I understand the comparison to Eco's Foucault, but I agree that the dumbed down version was easier to swallow. Eco just drives me up a wall.
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Walter L. Newton Wed, Aug 19, 2009 7:31:52am |
re: #638 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Most of the time the newest smart guy is standing on the shoulders of the last smart guy, etc...
Cirque de Scientist!
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Sharmuta Wed, Aug 19, 2009 7:31:53am |
re: #634 MandyManners
Despicable.
I agree. Just sick thinking about the glee some would have reading that, though.
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Occasional Reader Wed, Aug 19, 2009 7:32:35am |
re: #627 Sharmuta
I'm sure pamela and friends would find this amusing:
No doubt. "The resistence is finally spreading!" or something like that.
Feh.
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jcm Wed, Aug 19, 2009 7:33:29am |
Mornin' Honcos!
WA had a primary yesterday. It's a top two systems after a decade of suit and counter suits over WA's primary system.
In Seattle Mayor Greg "Global Warming's going drown Santa" Nickels came in third, if the count holds he will not be on the ballot in Nov. Good Riddance.
For King Co. Executive Susan Hutchison (R) has a lead over a pack of (D)s. The (D) vote was split between a number of candidates. Hutchison is a former TV talking head and this is her first elected office. King Co is a FUBARed mess after years of Ron "Tax to the Max" Sims who got tapped by Obama as the number 2 at HUD.
Signs of unrest among the blue natives...
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Wed, Aug 19, 2009 7:33:40am |
re: #627 Sharmuta
I truly feel pity for good Muslims.
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Sharmuta Wed, Aug 19, 2009 7:33:56am |
re: #646 Occasional Reader
No doubt. "The resistence is finally spreading!" or something like that.
Feh.
To be followed by outrage when it's an attack on French Jews. Religious freedom for me, but not for thee.
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Gang of One Wed, Aug 19, 2009 7:33:58am |
Time for qi gong and tai chi.
BBL
/play nice
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MandyManners Wed, Aug 19, 2009 7:34:11am |
re: #645 Sharmuta
I agree. Just sick thinking about the glee some would have reading that, though.
That kind of crap gives radical Muslims more ammunition to piss, bitch, whine and moan to create and emphasize their roles as victims, too.
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Spider Mensch Wed, Aug 19, 2009 7:34:12am |
re: #609 kcladderman
I think every carrier sailor in the navy wants to see his ship made into a museum. I served on the USS Independence seeing those once mighty ships sitting stripped and rusting in the shipyards is a sad sight indeed.
They were rumours about one of the oldies I served aboard becoming a museum, The USS Coral Sea..then the rumour our original homeport..San Francisco was to buy it, dock it in the bay and use her for emergency generator power in case of an emergency..obviously never happened...she was decommissioned sent to a shipyard in baltimore and scrapped...very sad..I happened to drive by one day and saw her basically down to just a hull..:(..and speaking of hurricanes, I remember come back from a 7 month cruise and going thru a hurricane rather that around it, would have delayed our homecoming by 4 or 5 days, so the captain asked anyone if they objected to going thru the storm. everyone wanted home on time so we went thru..wooo wheee...those expansion joints were moving like I never saw before..I was incharge of the flight deck integrity..hourly checks on 24 point + tiedowns on the birds..had to lash each other together, idea was if you were tied to your shipmate, less chance of a wave taken you over board. and what waves..waves over a 60 foot bow!! now thats a wave!!..lol
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realwest Wed, Aug 19, 2009 7:35:04am |
re: #567 lawhawk
Uh, my friend you're right about the anger, but it also arises from President Obama's claim of 46 million Americans who cannot afford health care insurance without laying out precisely how he came to that number as opposed to the number of 12 million that others have come up with; the suspicion is, of course, that if there are 46 million Americans unable to afford healthcare or healthcare insurance, than that is a MAJOR CONCERN and issue for the Nation and perhaps worthy of 3 or 4 different bills in the Congress; 12 million, not so much. And as Americans catch on to what this is all about - a grab for POWER, they are truly getting PISSED OFF and PISSED OFF at Obama - not just Congress.
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vxbush Wed, Aug 19, 2009 7:35:13am |
re: #625 Spenser (with an S)
Also rules. Is Assegi his latest? Great stuff.
Wait: Which Wilber Smith is this? The one I know about is a theologian who writes 17-line sentences that can be boiled down to two words.
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laZardo Wed, Aug 19, 2009 7:35:18am |
re: #647 jcm
Mornin' Honcos!
WA had a primary yesterday. It's a top two systems after a decade of suit and counter suits over WA's primary system.
In Seattle Mayor Greg "Global Warming's going drown Santa" Nickels came in third, if the count holds he will not be on the ballot in Nov. Good Riddance.
For King Co. Executive Susan Hutchison (R) has a lead over a pack of (D)s. The (D) vote was split between a number of candidates. Hutchison is a former TV talking head and this is her first elected office. King Co is a FUBARed mess after years of Ron "Tax to the Max" Sims who got tapped by Obama as the number 2 at HUD.
Signs of unrest among the blue natives...
She was on the board of directors[3] of the conservative Discovery Institute. Her name has since been removed from their website.
/a sign of something else?
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sattv4u2 Wed, Aug 19, 2009 7:35:18am |
re: #648 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
I truly feel pity for good Muslims.
I know quite a few. They are ashamed of their radicals and are afraid of 'ours'
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BlueCanuck Wed, Aug 19, 2009 7:35:30am |
re: #624 Walter L. Newton
The sad part about Newton, historically, is how he tried to destroy Leibniz for coming up with his own version of Calculus.
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Walter L. Newton Wed, Aug 19, 2009 7:35:38am |
re: #645 Sharmuta
I agree. Just sick thinking about the glee some would have reading that, though.
It's a little strange getting "sick" just thinking that someone may or may not be getting glee over that article or incident. Really, Geller is a kook, I can't stand her, but that's pure hyperbole. You don't know one minute to the next if she is "gleeful" about something and why should you get sick over something you have no control of.
Strange IMO.
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MandyManners Wed, Aug 19, 2009 7:35:44am |
re: #647 jcm
Mornin' Honcos!
WA had a primary yesterday. It's a top two systems after a decade of suit and counter suits over WA's primary system.
In Seattle Mayor Greg "Global Warming's going drown Santa" Nickels came in third, if the count holds he will not be on the ballot in Nov. Good Riddance.
For King Co. Executive Susan Hutchison (R) has a lead over a pack of (D)s. The (D) vote was split between a number of candidates. Hutchison is a former TV talking head and this is her first elected office. King Co is a FUBARed mess after years of Ron "Tax to the Max" Sims who got tapped by Obama as the number 2 at HUD.
Signs of unrest among the blue natives...
Nickels is gonna' be out?!
How large is Hutchison's lead?
How soon before the Dems demand a recount in both races?
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realwest Wed, Aug 19, 2009 7:36:22am |
re: #573 albusteve
Hey Steve - do y'all have a link for that adding of State Jobs?
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Sharmuta Wed, Aug 19, 2009 7:36:50am |
re: #659 Walter L. Newton
There are bigots out there that would take pleasure from that story, and yeah- I think that's sick.
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lawhawk Wed, Aug 19, 2009 7:36:52am |
re: #607 realwest
Good morning lawhawk and congrat's on getting that book!
I LOVE the Intrepid museum - though I helped - in a small way - in originally setting it up, I haven't seen it since she came back from Joisey - how's she looking these days? Still a Sea, Air and Space Museum?!
She underwent a major overhaul and was reopened this past Veterans Day. She looks great but I haven't been back since she was reopened and she has expanded exhibits on air and space.
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jcm Wed, Aug 19, 2009 7:38:12am |
re: #660 MandyManners
Nickels is gonna' be out?!
How large is Hutchison's lead?
How soon before the Dems demand a recount in both races?
15 points, but the (D) vote was split 3 ways.
If the current count holds Nickelbags is GONE.
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saylorfam Wed, Aug 19, 2009 7:38:31am |
re: #525 Occasional Reader
Thank you for posting this. I am anxious to see this series when it premiers.
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realwest Wed, Aug 19, 2009 7:38:42am |
re: #590 redstateredneck
Hey {red} send her to a Calfornia collge - I hear that they don't believe in money anymore - just give 'em an IOU!!
/
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lawhawk Wed, Aug 19, 2009 7:38:48am |
re: #662 jcm
When the US Navy built the Essex class, they had an open bow design, with the gun tubs sitting just below the flight deck. That design was reevaluated after several carriers suffered serious damage taking waves such as that during typhoons.
The Essex class ships, and all US carriers, thereafter had enclosed - hurricane - bows.
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Ford_Prefect Wed, Aug 19, 2009 7:38:49am |
Good Morning Lizards!
It is good to be back for a few minutes of stimulating dialogue with my fellow Lizards! I really need to quit my job so I can spend more time here.
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jcm Wed, Aug 19, 2009 7:38:56am |
re: #656 laZardo
She was on the board of directors[3] of the conservative Discovery Institute. Her name has since been removed from their website.
/a sign of something else?
I had not checked on that link. It would be a good question to ask the Hutchison campaign.
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MandyManners Wed, Aug 19, 2009 7:39:03am |
re: #665 jcm
15 points, but the (D) vote was split 3 ways.
If the current count holds Nickelbags is GONE.
When was the last time that King County's Congresscritter was a Republican?
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Spenser (with an S) Wed, Aug 19, 2009 7:39:12am |
re: #655 vxbush
Wait: Which Wilber Smith is this?
Try Wilbur (with a U) Smith. Should be about 100 novels going back a couple of decades. Great stuff.
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Occasional Reader Wed, Aug 19, 2009 7:39:15am |
re: #658 BlueCanuck
The sad part about Newton, historically, is how he tried to destroy Leibniz for coming up with his own version of Calculus.
But to his credit, he later went on to invent those delicious fruit paste cookies.
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vxbush Wed, Aug 19, 2009 7:39:23am |
Did anyone else besides me see last night's Nova on fractals? Very cool stuff in there.
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midwestgak Wed, Aug 19, 2009 7:39:32am |
re: #669 Ford_Prefect
Good Morning Lizards!
It is good to be back for a few minutes of stimulating dialogue with my fellow Lizards! I really need to quit my job so I can spend more time here.
If you do, can I have it?/
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MandyManners Wed, Aug 19, 2009 7:39:40am |
re: #670 jcm
I had not checked on that link. It would be a good question to ask the Hutchison campaign.
Oh, yes, indeed.
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Walter L. Newton Wed, Aug 19, 2009 7:39:43am |
re: #663 Sharmuta
There are bigots out there that would take pleasure from that story, and yeah- I think that's sick.
You said Geller would take pleasure from that, you don't know that.
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jcm Wed, Aug 19, 2009 7:39:55am |
re: #668 lawhawk
When the US Navy built the Essex class, they had an open bow design, with the gun tubs sitting just below the flight deck. That design was reevaluated after several carriers suffered serious damage taking waves such as that during typhoons.
The Essex class ships, and all US carriers, thereafter had enclosed - hurricane - bows.
One of the largest most powerful ships ever to put to sea...
And the sea still wins...
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MandyManners Wed, Aug 19, 2009 7:40:10am |
re: #656 laZardo
She was on the board of directors[3] of the conservative Discovery Institute. Her name has since been removed from their website.
/a sign of something else?
Link?
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albusteve Wed, Aug 19, 2009 7:40:11am |
re: #661 realwest
Hey Steve - do y'all have a link for that adding of State Jobs?
[Link: www.sacbee.com...]
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realwest Wed, Aug 19, 2009 7:40:11am |
re: #595 Occasional Reader
YO, STINKY!
I have to say, the control buttons "jumping around" seems particularly bad today. Particularly annoying is when you try to bold, quote, or link text, and the codes "miss"; that is, they land right in the middle of the text you're trying to modify, rather than capturing it.
Good morning O.R., quite concur with you - commented on it to ...well I guess Stinky.
Oh, well.
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Millicent Islam Wed, Aug 19, 2009 7:41:01am |
re: #674 vxbush
Did anyone else besides me see last night's Nova on fractals? Very cool stuff in there.
Not me, but you need to talk to Ludwig Van Quixote-- his work is related to fractals, in a way.
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Darth Vader Gargoyle Wed, Aug 19, 2009 7:41:09am |
re: #439 Kenneth
I once overheard two young teenage girls on the streetcar:
Reminds me of an old Billy Crystal bit:
His daughter asks him if it was true that Paul McArtney was in a band before Wings.
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MandyManners Wed, Aug 19, 2009 7:41:13am |
re: #673 Occasional Reader
But to his credit, he later went on to invent those delicious fruit paste cookies.
Don't chip away at the high-minded tone of this thread with puns.
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redstateredneck Wed, Aug 19, 2009 7:41:32am |
If you're eating boiled peanuts at work you might be a redneck.
:D
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Spider Mensch Wed, Aug 19, 2009 7:41:42am |
re: #662 jcm
re: #662 jcm
Yup, that's what it was like...lol..now imagine walking around on deck during that...thank God I was young and fearless...can't make out a # on her bow there, but from the 2 fwd elevators it's a newer carrier...Coral Sea was less than 1000 ft long so we were doing some good bouncing I remember...story for my grand kids someday :)
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realwest Wed, Aug 19, 2009 7:41:44am |
re: #605 SasquatchOnSteroids Woot! indeed, too bad you don't have cable TV to go with your six pack to celebrate! LOL!
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lawhawk Wed, Aug 19, 2009 7:42:33am |
re: #653 realwest
Even if you assume 46 or 50 million Americans, that still means 85% of all Americans - 300 million of us, have health insurance whether under SCHIP, Medicare, Medicaid, or private insurance.
He's looking to bankrupt the nation to get the remaining 15% coverage? Sorry, but we have to look at how the government screwed up the real estate markets chasing after increasing homeownership a percentage point or two - demanding easier credit and pushing lenders to extend credit to those who were unable to repay.
He cannot honestly answer the basic questions of cost and how all this will be paid for- whether its in year 1 or year 10. Anyone who pays attention to government programs knows one thing for certain - higher taxes can only result.
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laZardo Wed, Aug 19, 2009 7:42:51am |
Been up since 8 AM, gonna try to get some early shuteye. Nighty!
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Ford_Prefect Wed, Aug 19, 2009 7:42:52am |
re: #675 midwestgak
If you do, can I have it?/
Sure. Do you have a problem with walking around in mosquito infested, poison ivy covered swamps, pushing your way through briars and dodging snakes and bears?
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Kenneth Wed, Aug 19, 2009 7:43:06am |
re: #635 Occasional Reader
The so-called debunking you linked to is easily debunked. The Battle of Agincourt came toward the end of the 100 Years War. During that bloody century the English archers had so destroyed the French aristocracy, who served as knights, that a deep fear of the longbow and a hatred of the archers had been well established. There are several records of the French capturing English archers in battles and skirmishes. Archers were commoners, so they offered no prospect of ransom. Before putting them to death, the French would torture them beginning with cutting off the first two fingers.
The "debunking" attempts to debunk the story by claiming the heralds did not report seeing the French capture any English archers at Agincourt. Which is true, because the French lost the battle! Duh! Prior to the battle, the French had threatened to cut their fingers off, and when they failed to do that, the English taunted them.
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MandyManners Wed, Aug 19, 2009 7:43:11am |
re: #595 Occasional Reader
YO, STINKY!
I have to say, the control buttons "jumping around" seems particularly bad today. Particularly annoying is when you try to bold, quote, or link text, and the codes "miss"; that is, they land right in the middle of the text you're trying to modify, rather than capturing it.
I only have trouble when I try to post a link using the button or strike throught or use the quotation button. For bolding and italicizing, I highlight and then use CTRL-B or I.
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vxbush Wed, Aug 19, 2009 7:43:33am |
re: #682 iceweasel
Not me, but you need to talk to Ludwig Van Quixote-- his work is related to fractals, in a way.
I did not know that. Anyway, you can thank the ability of your cell phone to read emails, SMS, and make calls all because of a fractal antenna. Way, way cool.
I love being a math geek.
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Honorary Yooper Wed, Aug 19, 2009 7:44:04am |
re: #665 jcm
15 points, but the (D) vote was split 3 ways.
If the current count holds Nickelbags is GONE.
I also took note that your 20 cent bag tax (paper and plastic) is also going down to a miserable defeat.
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Occasional Reader Wed, Aug 19, 2009 7:44:13am |
re: #684 MandyManners
Don't chip away at the high-minded tone of this thread with puns.
Why don't you just go get double-stuffed?!
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MandyManners Wed, Aug 19, 2009 7:44:13am |
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Millicent Islam Wed, Aug 19, 2009 7:44:54am |
re: #630 Walter L. Newton
Anything beats Dan Brown.
“I might as well begin with a confession. I have not read the novel by Dan Brown on which this film is based. I have come to believe that to do so would be a sin against my faith, not in the Church of Rome but in the English language, a noble and beleaguered institution against which Mr. Brown practices vile and unspeakable blasphemy.”
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MandyManners Wed, Aug 19, 2009 7:45:05am |
re: #689 lawhawk
Even if you assume 46 or 50 million Americans, that still means 85% of all Americans - 300 million of us, have health insurance whether under SCHIP, Medicare, Medicaid, or private insurance.
He's looking to bankrupt the nation to get the remaining 15% coverage? Sorry, but we have to look at how the government screwed up the real estate markets chasing after increasing homeownership a percentage point or two - demanding easier credit and pushing lenders to extend credit to those who were unable to repay.
He cannot honestly answer the basic questions of cost and how all this will be paid for- whether its in year 1 or year 10. Anyone who pays attention to government programs knows one thing for certain - higher taxes can only result.
Gotta' break a few eggs...
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SasquatchOnSteroids Wed, Aug 19, 2009 7:45:35am |
re: #688 realwest
Woot! indeed, too bad you don't have cable TV to go with your six pack to celebrate! LOL!
New TV. Can't get HD with the old cable box, though std cable still works. But its sucky looking.
I needs mys HD.
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BlueCanuck Wed, Aug 19, 2009 7:45:47am |
re: #696 Occasional Reader
Why don't you just go get double-stuffed?!
Oh snap. So much for gingerly avoiding a pun thread.
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jcm Wed, Aug 19, 2009 7:45:52am |
re: #689 lawhawk
Even if you assume 46 or 50 million Americans, that still means 85% of all Americans - 300 million of us, have health insurance whether under SCHIP, Medicare, Medicaid, or private insurance.
He's looking to bankrupt the nation to get the remaining 15% coverage? Sorry, but we have to look at how the government screwed up the real estate markets chasing after increasing homeownership a percentage point or two - demanding easier credit and pushing lenders to extend credit to those who were unable to repay.
He cannot honestly answer the basic questions of cost and how all this will be paid for- whether its in year 1 or year 10. Anyone who pays attention to government programs knows one thing for certain - higher taxes can only result.
We you pull out those who can afford insurance and opt out, and illegals you are down to 10-12 million who cannot afford insurance. 3-4% ...
3 to 4% can be covered with out completely tearing down and rebuilding the health care system.
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MandyManners Wed, Aug 19, 2009 7:46:02am |
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Occasional Reader Wed, Aug 19, 2009 7:46:26am |
re: #692 Kenneth
Prior to the battle, the French had threatened to cut their fingers off
What is the source for that claim?
I've never seen any, personally, just heard the story repeated. And snopes usually do their homework.
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Ford_Prefect Wed, Aug 19, 2009 7:46:31am |
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kcladderman Wed, Aug 19, 2009 7:46:37am |
re: #686 Spider Mensch
re: #662 jcm
Yup, that's what it was like...lol..now imagine walking around on deck during that...thank God I was young and fearless...can't make out a # on her bow there, but from the 2 fwd elevators it's a newer carrier...Coral Sea was less than 1000 ft long so we were doing some good bouncing I remember...story for my grand kids someday :)
I remember seas like that. The anchor slapping against the side of the ship let you know the bow was moving pretty good . Also remember thinking boy i feel sorry for those guys on those Tin cans
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Sharmuta Wed, Aug 19, 2009 7:46:49am |
re: #677 Walter L. Newton
You let me know when she condemns it.
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doppelganglander Wed, Aug 19, 2009 7:46:53am |
re: #503 reine.de.tout
I'm here, I'm here! Thanks for your concern. Our Internet is down at home so I'm posting from an undisclosed location that has coffee and wireless. I don't know when I'll be back again, so feel free to talk smack about me ;)
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kansas Wed, Aug 19, 2009 7:47:19am |
re: #689 lawhawk
Even if you assume 46 or 50 million Americans, that still means 85% of all Americans - 300 million of us, have health insurance whether under SCHIP, Medicare, Medicaid, or private insurance.
He's looking to bankrupt the nation to get the remaining 15% coverage? Sorry, but we have to look at how the government screwed up the real estate markets chasing after increasing homeownership a percentage point or two - demanding easier credit and pushing lenders to extend credit to those who were unable to repay.
He cannot honestly answer the basic questions of cost and how all this will be paid for- whether its in year 1 or year 10. Anyone who pays attention to government programs knows one thing for certain - higher taxes can only result.
I believe we have a winner.
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Millicent Islam Wed, Aug 19, 2009 7:47:20am |
re: #694 vxbush
I did not know that. Anyway, you can thank the ability of your cell phone to read emails, SMS, and make calls all because of a fractal antenna. Way, way cool.
I love being a math geek.
Oh DEFINITELY talk to LVQ-- you'll both love it.
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jcm Wed, Aug 19, 2009 7:47:32am |
re: #695 Honorary Yooper
I also took note that your 20 cent bag tax (paper and plastic) is also going down to a miserable defeat.
A little sense breaking out.
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vxbush Wed, Aug 19, 2009 7:47:35am |
re: #709 doppelganglander
I'm here, I'm here! Thanks for your concern. Our Internet is down at home so I'm posting from an undisclosed location that has coffee and wireless. I don't know when I'll be back again, so feel free to talk smack about me ;)
Smack? No way. Now, chocolate on the other hand...
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Leonidas Hoplite Wed, Aug 19, 2009 7:47:36am |
re: #707 kcladderman
I remember seas like that. The anchor slapping against the side of the ship let you know the bow was moving pretty good . Also remember thinking boy i feel sorry for those guys on those Tin cans
How often does a new sailor get seasick?
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MandyManners Wed, Aug 19, 2009 7:47:46am |
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Occasional Reader Wed, Aug 19, 2009 7:47:59am |
re: #692 Kenneth
The "debunking" attempts to debunk the story by claiming the heralds did not report seeing the French capture any English archers at Agincourt.
Actually, the claim is that none of the chroniclers report that the French had threatened this mutiliation as punishment.
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Walter L. Newton Wed, Aug 19, 2009 7:48:28am |
re: #698 iceweasel
I'm not sure why you put that quote into my comment. I did not say that... all I said was "Anything beats Dan Brown." Why is that other paragraph in my quote?
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BlueCanuck Wed, Aug 19, 2009 7:48:41am |
re: #715 MandyManners
You think we need smore?
I think we drive some posters crackers with this foolishness.
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Ford_Prefect Wed, Aug 19, 2009 7:48:43am |
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albusteve Wed, Aug 19, 2009 7:49:07am |
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Walter L. Newton Wed, Aug 19, 2009 7:49:25am |
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Spenser (with an S) Wed, Aug 19, 2009 7:49:47am |
re: #709 doppelganglander
I'm here, I'm here! Thanks for your concern. Our Internet is down at home so I'm posting from an undisclosed location that has coffee and wireless. I don't know when I'll be back again, so feel free to talk smack about me ;)
Welcome. Can I have a warm-up on my coffee? There's apparently lots of types of cookies around here.
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midwestgak Wed, Aug 19, 2009 7:50:17am |
re: #691 Ford_Prefect
Sure. Do you have a problem with walking around in mosquito infested, poison ivy covered swamps, pushing your way through briars and dodging snakes and bears?
That sounds a lot like our family vacations. Never imaged I could get paid for having fun./
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Sharmuta Wed, Aug 19, 2009 7:50:25am |
re: #721 Walter L. Newton
WTH would you stick up for her reputation?
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redstateredneck Wed, Aug 19, 2009 7:50:54am |
re: #709 doppelganglander
I'm here, I'm here! Thanks for your concern. Our Internet is down at home so I'm posting from an undisclosed location that has coffee and wireless. I don't know when I'll be back again, so feel free to talk smack about me ;)
Thank goodness! We were worried about you, girl!
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lawhawk Wed, Aug 19, 2009 7:51:13am |
re: #710 kansas
I don't think he's intentionally looking to bankrupt the nation, but rather his actions will result in the same because he simply doesn't care about the basics of economics and his ideology is blinding him to the reality of health care in the US.
By obfuscating the difference between access to health care and cost of health care, he's trying to push through changes that aren't necessary, but which will have repercussions that will exist long after he's in the history books - an entitlement that will suffer just as all the other entitlements - massive debt that piles up and costs future generations.
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reine.de.tout Wed, Aug 19, 2009 7:51:45am |
re: #709 doppelganglander
I'm here, I'm here! Thanks for your concern. Our Internet is down at home so I'm posting from an undisclosed location that has coffee and wireless. I don't know when I'll be back again, so feel free to talk smack about me ;)
{doppelganglander}
No "smack" talking about you!
we wuz worried, iz all.
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MandyManners Wed, Aug 19, 2009 7:51:50am |
re: #718 BlueCanuck
I think we drive some posters crackers with this foolishness.
Only if we pepperidge the thread with too many puns.
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Spider Mensch Wed, Aug 19, 2009 7:52:12am |
re: #707 kcladderman
I remember seas like that. The anchor slapping against the side of the ship let you know the bow was moving pretty good . Also remember thinking boy i feel sorry for those guys on those Tin cans
oh yeah...them escorts would be going under...water tight integrity at work!
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kansas Wed, Aug 19, 2009 7:52:18am |
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jcm Wed, Aug 19, 2009 7:52:20am |
re: #728 MandyManners
Only if we pepperidge the thread with too many puns.
I decided to Farm out my puns.
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Millicent Islam Wed, Aug 19, 2009 7:52:22am |
re: #705 Occasional Reader
What is the source for that claim?
I've never seen any, personally, just heard the story repeated. And snopes usually do their homework.
OR, Kenneth is correct. Moreover, fingers of archers have been cut off (or broken) for as long as there have been archers.
In fact, in the ancient world after a battle captured royal scribes would also have their fingers broken or cut off. In the days when few could read or write, this was a very effective way to insure that 'history is written by the winners'.
Here's an article about the Maya doing it, c 600 AD. for example.
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MandyManners Wed, Aug 19, 2009 7:52:22am |
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Millicent Islam Wed, Aug 19, 2009 7:53:08am |
re: #717 Walter L. Newton
I'm not sure why you put that quote into my comment. I did not say that... all I said was "Anything beats Dan Brown." Why is that other paragraph in my quote?
Oh, sorry walter-- I screwed up the formatting. I just thought you'd find the article amusing, that's all.
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Spenser (with an S) Wed, Aug 19, 2009 7:53:14am |
re: #731 jcm
re: #728 MandyMannersOnly if we pepperidge the thread with too many puns.
I decided to Farm out my puns.
Samoan has to stop this!
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Coracle Wed, Aug 19, 2009 7:53:20am |
re: #617 aboo-Hoo-Hoo
Court To Obama - Transparency? Not!
Surprise...surprise. /
The same article you quote says:
Then in late April, Salazar announced he was filing a legal motion in one of those cases asking to reinstitute the 1983 version of the buffer zone rule, saying the Bush version "doesn't pass the smell test."
Very stealthy and opaque, to announce something like that.
EPA impact environmental statement on mountaintop removal mining Jan, 2009
Obama's been on record against mountaintop removal mining since at least 2007
The EPA raised concern on such projects - and announced it - in March this year.
Green groups unhappy Admin permits mountaintop mining, May 18
Admin conference call on mountaintop removal coal mining June 11, 2009
Memo of agreement the same day. EPA link
Agreement receives mixed reviews.
New MtR mine approved this month.
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albusteve Wed, Aug 19, 2009 7:53:40am |
re: #726 lawhawk
I don't think he's intentionally looking to bankrupt the nation, but rather his actions will result in the same because he simply doesn't care about the basics of economics and his ideology is blinding him to the reality of health care in the US.
By obfuscating the difference between access to health care and cost of health care, he's trying to push through changes that aren't necessary, but which will have repercussions that will exist long after he's in the history books - an entitlement that will suffer just as all the other entitlements - massive debt that piles up and costs future generations.
you give him more credit than I do...willful blindness is the same as intentional to me, but then I'm a hater...
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kcladderman Wed, Aug 19, 2009 7:53:48am |
re: #714 Leonidas Hoplite
How often does a new sailor get seasick?
We didn't have a lot of bootcamps get sea sick though we also didn't move around as much as smaller ships in the group.
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midwestgak Wed, Aug 19, 2009 7:54:00am |
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pianobuff Wed, Aug 19, 2009 7:54:05am |
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SasquatchOnSteroids Wed, Aug 19, 2009 7:54:06am |
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Ford_Prefect Wed, Aug 19, 2009 7:54:15am |
re: #723 midwestgak
That sounds a lot like our family vacations. Never imaged I could get paid for having fun./
Well, those are the good days. You also have the opportunity to stand in the middle of state highways on 95 degree days or look for piles of stones in two feet of snow on windy 23 degree days. Then there are the days when it rains while you are standing in 15 inches of mud trying to put a 12 inch piece of wood in the ground and make it steady.
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Summersong Wed, Aug 19, 2009 7:54:25am |
re: #655 vxbush
Wait: Which Wilber Smith is this? The one I know about is a theologian who writes 17-line sentences that can be boiled down to two words.
I had a brother in law just like that. He didn't write, just spoke endlessly...
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realwest Wed, Aug 19, 2009 7:54:31am |
re: #669 Ford_Prefect
Hey Ford! Great to see you again - how the heck are you?!
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Walter L. Newton Wed, Aug 19, 2009 7:54:35am |
re: #724 Sharmuta
WTH would you stick up for her reputation?
I'm not sticking up for her, I can't stand her. Now, let's get back to the real issue of my comment. Let's not go off in another direction. The only thing I was commenting on was you, your reaction and how you brought a third party into (Geller) who has nothing to do with the article.
You don't know if she has seen this article and you have no undisputed way of knowing how she will react.
And since you have no knowledge of those two points, how can you be "sick" over something that is pure fantasy at this time?
Let's talk about you. I was not defending Geller, I was addressing you.
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MandyManners Wed, Aug 19, 2009 7:54:50am |
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Rancher Wed, Aug 19, 2009 7:54:51am |
Michael Yon's latest dispatch, Do Americans Care about British Soldiers?, details the extraordinary lengths Americans went to to save a British soldier and also to keep his buddies informed. Kudos especially to the folks at Soldiers' Angels.
Yon is usually careful not to editorialize politically but in stating a simple fact he has struck to the heart of the matter surrounding our health care debate. Emphasis mine:
A gunshot ripped through the darkness and a young British soldier fell dying on FOB Jackson. I was just nearby talking on the satellite phone and saw the commotion. The soldier was taken to the medical tent and a helicopter lifted him to the excellent trauma center at Camp Bastion. That he made it to Camp Bastion alive dramatically improved his chances. But his life teetered and was in danger of slipping away. Making matters worse, the British medical system back in the United Kingdom did not possess the specialized gear needed to save his life. Americans had the right gear in Germany, and so the British soldier was put into the American system.British officers in his unit, 2 Rifles, wanted to track their man every step of the way, and to ensure that his family was informed and supported in this time of high stress. Yet having their soldier suddenly in the American system caused a temporary glitch in communications with folks in Germany. The British leadership in Sangin could have worked through the glitch within some hours, but that would have been hours wasted, and they wanted to know the status of their soldier now. So a British officer in Sangin – thinking creatively –asked if I knew any shortcuts to open communications. The right people were only an email away: Soldiers Angels. And so within about two minutes, these fingers typed an email with this subject heading: CALLING ALL ANGELS.
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redstateredneck Wed, Aug 19, 2009 7:55:01am |
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albusteve Wed, Aug 19, 2009 7:55:03am |
re: #730 kansas
Just more evidence every day, don't you think?
yes, but nothing from this admin surprises me...check out the Axelrod/Pharm story up thread
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MandyManners Wed, Aug 19, 2009 7:55:18am |
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vxbush Wed, Aug 19, 2009 7:55:30am |
re: #737 Coracle
Very stealthy and opaque, to announce something like that.
EPA impact environmental statement on mountaintop removal mining Jan, 2009
Obama's been on record against mountaintop removal mining since at least 2007
The EPA raised concern on such projects - and announced it - in March this year.Green groups unhappy Admin permits mountaintop mining, May 18
Admin conference call on mountaintop removal coal mining June 11, 2009
Memo of agreement the same day. EPA link
Agreement receives mixed reviews.
New MtR mine approved this month.
Wait--I'm confused. What is the administration's position here?
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albusteve Wed, Aug 19, 2009 7:55:42am |
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Ford_Prefect Wed, Aug 19, 2009 7:55:42am |
re: #745 realwest
Hey Ford! Great to see you again - how the heck are you?!
I am well Real, and you?
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Walter L. Newton Wed, Aug 19, 2009 7:55:45am |
re: #735 iceweasel
Oh, sorry walter-- I screwed up the formatting. I just thought you'd find the article amusing, that's all.
Ok. Just wondering. I'm an atheist and I though maybe you were playing with a little satire on my behalf.
No problem.
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Sharmuta Wed, Aug 19, 2009 7:56:01am |
re: #746 Walter L. Newton
I already said, Walter- if you'd care to read it- that bigots make me sick.
Do you have a problem with that? Do I need permission?
May I please be disgusted by bigots, Sir?
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kansas Wed, Aug 19, 2009 7:57:00am |
re: #726 lawhawk
I don't think he's intentionally looking to bankrupt the nation, but rather his actions will result in the same because he simply doesn't care about the basics of economics and his ideology is blinding him to the reality of health care in the US.
By obfuscating the difference between access to health care and cost of health care, he's trying to push through changes that aren't necessary, but which will have repercussions that will exist long after he's in the history books - an entitlement that will suffer just as all the other entitlements - massive debt that piles up and costs future generations.
Why don't you think it's intentional? Isn't it willful to not care about economics? It seems to be a plan to weaken the country and agitate to divide. I don't like it, I have never seen anything like it.
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MandyManners Wed, Aug 19, 2009 7:57:15am |
re: #757 Sharmuta
I already said, Walter- if you'd care to read it- that bigots make me sick.
Do you have a problem with that? Do I need permission?
May I please be disgusted by bigots, Sir?
Next thing we know, you'll want "more"
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SteveC Wed, Aug 19, 2009 7:57:42am |
Good Morning!
There was a blurb on the news this morning - I had just gotten up, and it takes a few moments for my brain to warm up - a Congressman was saying that he would vote against the wishes of his constituents if he thought it was the best for them.
I know that you want to stay in your comfy little Congress, but i don't think that's the best thing for you. That's why I would do my best to vote you out on your ass!
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Spenser (with an S) Wed, Aug 19, 2009 7:57:46am |
re: #739 kcladderman
How often does a new sailor get seasick?
We didn't have a lot of bootcamps get sea sick though we also didn't move around as much as smaller ships in the group.
My new BiL has been in the Navy for 7 years now and has never been on a ship. Not never-been-stationed on a ship; Never been on one! He's a band member and serves honorably, I just think that's funny.
/they also serve who march and play.
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MandyManners Wed, Aug 19, 2009 7:58:14am |
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Occasional Reader Wed, Aug 19, 2009 7:58:29am |
re: #732 iceweasel
OR, Kenneth is correct. Moreover, fingers of archers have been cut off (or broken) for as long as there have been archers.
In fact, in the ancient world after a battle captured royal scribes would also have their fingers broken or cut off. In the days when few could read or write, this was a very effective way to insure that 'history is written by the winners'.
Here's an article about the Maya doing it, c 600 AD. for example.
A link regarding Mayans breaking or cutting off the fingers of scribes doesn't exactly substantiate a French threat to cut off two (particular) bowman's finger at Agincourt. Something of a non sequitur. I have yet to see any good source for the supposed "the 'V' sign began at Agincourt" story.
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kansas Wed, Aug 19, 2009 7:58:31am |
re: #750 albusteve
yes, but nothing from this admin surprises me...check out the Axelrod/Pharm story up thread
I saw that this AM on the net. I just rolled my eyeballs.
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midwestgak Wed, Aug 19, 2009 7:58:41am |
re: #743 Ford_Prefect
Well, those are the good days. You also have the opportunity to stand in the middle of state highways on 95 degree days or look for piles of stones in two feet of snow on windy 23 degree days. Then there are the days when it rains while you are standing in 15 inches of mud trying to put a 12 inch piece of wood in the ground and make it steady.
Um, don't quit you job./
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SasquatchOnSteroids Wed, Aug 19, 2009 7:58:42am |
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MandyManners Wed, Aug 19, 2009 7:58:58am |
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vxbush Wed, Aug 19, 2009 7:59:06am |
re: #762 Spenser (with an S)
My new BiL has been in the Navy for 7 years now and has never been on a ship. Not never-been-stationed on a ship; Never been on one! He's a band member and serves honorably, I just think that's funny.
/they also serve who march and play.
I suggested, when my daughter wasn't having any job prospects, that she should seriously think about going into the military bands. Not a bad gig, I thought.
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Kenneth Wed, Aug 19, 2009 7:59:10am |
re: #705 Occasional Reader
Agincourt by Juliet Barker
The Battle of Agincourt: Sources and Interpretations by Anne Curry
These two books are considered the best histories of the battle. The mutilation of archers by the French was a well known practice during the 100 Years War. If you read the argument presented by the snopes people, it really makes no sense and ignores the history prior to the battle.
Also, the "pluck yew" anecdote is a bit of a red herring. That is obviously false, as the English were well acquainted with the Saxon word "fuck" at that time. The notion that "pluck" evolved into "fuck" is silly. But it also distracts form the point. The English archers held up the first two fingers, not the middle one, which is what the anecdote the snopes people attempt to debunk.
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Occasional Reader Wed, Aug 19, 2009 7:59:15am |
re: #736 Spenser (with an S)
Samoan has to stop this!
You Thin' you can Mints your way through this thread with comments like that?
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Walter L. Newton Wed, Aug 19, 2009 7:59:42am |
re: #757 Sharmuta
I already said, Walter- if you'd care to read it- that bigots make me sick.
Do you have a problem with that? Do I need permission?
May I please be disgusted by bigots, Sir?
You said your were "sick" of a imaginary reaction by Geller. I was not talking about anything else except your imagined take on how Geller would react to the article. Once again you are trying to change the subject. I am not talking about bigots, I am not talking about Geller, I am talking about your remark about Gellar.
I've made my point.
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Occasional Reader Wed, Aug 19, 2009 7:59:52am |
re: #763 Ford_Prefect
Cheesitz getting worse.
The bickering is taking a real Toll on the House of LGF.
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Ford_Prefect Wed, Aug 19, 2009 7:59:53am |
re: #767 midwestgak
Um, don't quit you job./
Yeah, I love my job! (I have to keep telling myself that or I will go crazy)
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redstateredneck Wed, Aug 19, 2009 7:59:54am |
re: #762 Spenser (with an S)
My new BiL has been in the Navy for 7 years now and has never been on a ship. Not never-been-stationed on a ship; Never been on one! He's a band member and serves honorably, I just think that's funny.
/they also serve who march and play.
My brother served during Viet Nam in the 50th Army Band stationed at Ft. Monroe, VA. Went to a lot of parades. Thank God he could play the trombone and was a music major in college.
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Sharmuta Wed, Aug 19, 2009 8:00:04am |
re: #773 Walter L. Newton
No- I didn't mention geller at all when I said I was sick.
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realwest Wed, Aug 19, 2009 8:00:09am |
re: #748 Rancher
Thanks a lot for that comment Rancher - Yon (and Totten) is a national treasure - a genuine "REPORTER" with no discernable "attitude" except to get out the truth - as Charles recent links have shown.
Thanks again!
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albusteve Wed, Aug 19, 2009 8:00:27am |
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Ford_Prefect Wed, Aug 19, 2009 8:00:54am |
re: #774 Occasional Reader
The bickering is taking a real Toll on the House of LGF.
LGF is Ritz with great minds!
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Lincolntf Wed, Aug 19, 2009 8:01:09am |
re: #764 MandyManners
Yeah, if that story is accurate, it's pretty much the coziest arrangement possible that doesn't involve paper bags stuiffed with unmarked bills.
But even if he's totally busted, he'll probably get the "pay it back" option that so many public figures are afforded when "poor bookkeeping practices" cause "oversights" in their financial arrangements.
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jcm Wed, Aug 19, 2009 8:01:25am |
re: #772 Occasional Reader
You Thin' you can Mints your way through this thread with comments like that?
It's All Abouts the pun!
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Occasional Reader Wed, Aug 19, 2009 8:01:54am |
re: #771 Kenneth
re: #705 Occasional Reader
Agincourt by Juliet Barker
The Battle of Agincourt: Sources and Interpretations by Anne Curry
These two books are considered the best histories of the battle.
If you're saying you've read these works, consider them sound works of history, and they contain the "V"-sign origin story, then that's good enough for me. "Debunking" retracted.
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Honorary Yooper Wed, Aug 19, 2009 8:01:54am |
re: #743 Ford_Prefect
Well, those are the good days. You also have the opportunity to stand in the middle of state highways on 95 degree days or look for piles of stones in two feet of snow on windy 23 degree days. Then there are the days when it rains while you are standing in 15 inches of mud trying to put a 12 inch piece of wood in the ground and make it steady.
Ah, I see you've done land surveying as well.
Wound up wading into a mosquito infested swamp once to put in 3 foot high lathe marking the wetland boundary. Dressed up from head to foot in rubber rain gear and in hip waders, I went into the swamp carrying a 25 foot dip rod with a prism at the top. The mosquitos were so thick in there, you could barely see while wading through 2-1/2 feet of water and going around trees so the prism could be seen.
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SurferDoc Wed, Aug 19, 2009 8:01:59am |
re: #764 MandyManners
Axelrod should be in deep shit.
[Link: hughhewitt.townhall.com...]
Hat-tip to albusteve.
He'll skate. No problem when it is a "D".
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MandyManners Wed, Aug 19, 2009 8:02:13am |
re: #781 Lincolntf
Yeah, if that story is accurate, it's pretty much the coziest arrangement possible that doesn't involve paper bags stuiffed with unmarked bills.
But even if he's totally busted, he'll probably get the "pay it back" option that so many public figures are afforded when "poor bookkeeping practices" cause "oversights" in their financial arrangements.
As the article mentions, if this were someone in the Bush Administration, the MFM would be all over it.
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realwest Wed, Aug 19, 2009 8:02:21am |
re: #755 Ford_Prefect
I'm doing ok, old friend - say what kinda job is it that limits your LGF time? Did you notifiy your equivalent of a shop steward; must be against the work rules!
/
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Spenser (with an S) Wed, Aug 19, 2009 8:02:21am |
re: #770 vxbush
Not a bad gig, I thought.
Truly. He loves it and is paid decently compared to the economy "out here".
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Millicent Islam Wed, Aug 19, 2009 8:02:25am |
re: #756 Walter L. Newton
Ok. Just wondering. I'm an atheist and I though maybe you were playing with a little satire on my behalf.
No problem.
No, absolutely not messing with you-- I'm an atheist too, actually! I just messed up with the quote function. Cheers
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SasquatchOnSteroids Wed, Aug 19, 2009 8:02:29am |
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midwestgak Wed, Aug 19, 2009 8:03:36am |
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Walter L. Newton Wed, Aug 19, 2009 8:03:59am |
re: #777 Sharmuta
No- I didn't mention geller at all when I said I was sick.
I'm sorry, your sick comment was after the "amused" comment about Geller. I will amend my comment...
"You said Geller would be "amused" by this article. You have no knowledge of how Geller would react to the article."
And just to repeat myself so we don't get on that tract again "I CAN'T STAND GELLER."
But your remark is pure hyperbole and reactionary.
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albusteve Wed, Aug 19, 2009 8:04:03am |
re: #785 SurferDoc
He'll skate. No problem when it is a "D".
don't be too sure...if his head rolls it will be a HUGE hit to BO...the shit is deep with this one
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MandyManners Wed, Aug 19, 2009 8:04:07am |
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Killgore Trout Wed, Aug 19, 2009 8:04:12am |
Hooray for left wing blogs...
How To Brew Your Own Beer
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jcm Wed, Aug 19, 2009 8:04:14am |
re: #790 SasquatchOnSteroids
I've thrown all my Chips Ahoy on the table.
Once your out, you can still Tagalongs.
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jcm Wed, Aug 19, 2009 8:04:56am |
re: #795 Killgore Trout
Hooray for left wing blogs...
How To Brew Your Own Beer
*Homer voice*
MMM, Beer!
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Occasional Reader Wed, Aug 19, 2009 8:04:59am |
re: #790 SasquatchOnSteroids
I've thrown all my Chips Ahoy on the table.
And yet there are attempts to Fudge the issue, by posters of all Stripes.
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Ford_Prefect Wed, Aug 19, 2009 8:04:59am |
re: #784 Honorary Yooper
Ah, I see you've done land surveying as well.
Wound up wading into a mosquito infested swamp once to put in 3 foot high lathe marking the wetland boundary. Dressed up from head to foot in rubber rain gear and in hip waders, I went into the swamp carrying a 25 foot dip rod with a prism at the top. The mosquitos were so thick in there, you could barely see while wading through 2-1/2 feet of water and going around trees so the prism could be seen.
Ding ding ding! Yes, I have been there. We have one client that recycles wallboard. They have huge piles of gypsum that need to be topo'd once every quarter. You can imagine what that stuff is like when it is wet from rains. We come back covered in white sludge. Fun is!
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MandyManners Wed, Aug 19, 2009 8:05:08am |
re: #791 midwestgak
Snack-on. Snack-off, snack-on. The Snacker.
Now I have the infernal commercial trying to play itself in my mind. Dagnabit.
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yma o hyd Wed, Aug 19, 2009 8:05:25am |
Hiya, Lizard Nation!
How are things in Lizardia today?
Here, the long awaited, but still unexpected happened: it was hot!
(Well, hot for our climes, about 82F)
I got to wear the summer dress I bought, for the first time, yeee-hah!
(Thunderstorms tonight, and cooler weather tomorrow ...)
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Occasional Reader Wed, Aug 19, 2009 8:05:50am |
re: #796 jcm
Once your out, you can still Tagalongs.
Wait, wait... this is supposed to be a cookie pun thread. What do Filipino languages have to do with it?
/
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Millicent Islam Wed, Aug 19, 2009 8:05:50am |
re: #795 Killgore Trout
Hooray for left wing blogs...
How To Brew Your Own Beer
Corporate beer is fascism, maaan!
//
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Sharmuta Wed, Aug 19, 2009 8:06:08am |
re: #792 Walter L. Newton
Whatever. When you start going after the much worse hyperbole of others, then I will think about your criticism. Until that point, I don't think you recognize hyperbole even when it's staring you in the face, or comes off your own fingers.
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Ford_Prefect Wed, Aug 19, 2009 8:06:21am |
re: #787 realwest
I'm doing ok, old friend - say what kinda job is it that limits your LGF time? Did you notifiy your equivalent of a shop steward; must be against the work rules!
/
Honoray Yooper hit it on the head. I am in land surveying. Recently we had some layoffs so that meant I have to spend a lot more time in the field.
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Kosh's Shadow Wed, Aug 19, 2009 8:06:28am |
re: #748 Rancher
Michael Yon's latest dispatch, Do Americans Care about British Soldiers?, details the extraordinary lengths Americans went to to save a British soldier and also to keep his buddies informed. Kudos especially to the folks at Soldiers' Angels.
Yon is usually careful not to editorialize politically but in stating a simple fact he has struck to the heart of the matter surrounding our health care debate. Emphasis mine:
Isn't Soldiers' Angels the group that gets half the profits from the LGF cookbook? Someone was asking about them before ordering a cookbook; they should hear about this/
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Spenser (with an S) Wed, Aug 19, 2009 8:06:44am |
re: #801 yma o hyd
Morning, yoh! We're in a silly mood this morning.
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Occasional Reader Wed, Aug 19, 2009 8:06:49am |
re: #795 Killgore Trout
Hooray for left wing blogs...
Er, right... Huffpo just invented homebrewing, just now, on the internet.
/
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SasquatchOnSteroids Wed, Aug 19, 2009 8:07:54am |
re: #808 Occasional Reader
Er, right... Huffpo just invented homebrewing, just now, on the internet.
/
Isn't that what they're Famous Amos for ?
Coors, I could be wrong...
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MandyManners Wed, Aug 19, 2009 8:07:56am |
re: #808 Occasional Reader
Er, right... Huffpo just invented homebrewing, just now, on the internet.
/
Who's invented distilling this morning? Has anyone got around to bottling Basil Hayden's yet?
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kcladderman Wed, Aug 19, 2009 8:08:18am |
re: #762 Spenser (with an S)
My new BiL has been in the Navy for 7 years now and has never been on a ship. Not never-been-stationed on a ship; Never been on one! He's a band member and serves honorably, I just think that's funny.
/they also serve who march and play.
Someone has to be on the pier playing when we come home. lol
I used to get a kick out of guys who bitched about being at sea. YOU JOINED THE NAVY I would remind them. I actually liked being at sea the ship was meant to be underway so when at sea everything runs a lot better. Also a lot less hassles when we were at sea. Not to say of course those homecomings weren't nice but chipping off paint just to repaint gets old after awhile. My job was on the flight deck so if there were no flight ops meant there was a lot of busy work.
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Walter L. Newton Wed, Aug 19, 2009 8:08:31am |
re: #804 Sharmuta
Whatever. When you start going after the much worse hyperbole of others, then I will think about your criticism. Until that point, I don't think you recognize hyperbole even when it's staring you in the face, or comes off your own fingers.
It's a deal. I'll get back to you on this someday.
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Sharmuta Wed, Aug 19, 2009 8:08:43am |
re: #806 Kosh's Shadow
Isn't Soldiers' Angels the group that gets half the profits from the LGF cookbook? Someone was asking about them before ordering a cookbook; they should hear about this/
Yes- Soldier's Angels IS the group that gets half the cookbook money. The other half goes to the LGF tip jar. So...
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lawhawk Wed, Aug 19, 2009 8:09:12am |
re: #795 Killgore Trout
A friend of my brother in law started out doing the home brew thing, and turned that hobby into his profession. He's now head brewmaster for a major brewer in New York. I've had some of his hand crafted stuff, and it is just amazing.
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yma o hyd Wed, Aug 19, 2009 8:09:17am |
Just a little footnote to the two-fingered 'salute':
The V-for-Victory sign, ade so popular by Churchill, is the one where the palm of the hand (with the other fignners folder over) is turned towards those one is showing the sign to.
The other one has the back of the hand turned towards those one shows this sign to.
Huge social disaster if one wants to use the first but instead uses the second ...!
So whatever you do - don't get the two mixed up!
:-)
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Millicent Islam Wed, Aug 19, 2009 8:09:25am |
re: #765 Occasional Reader
A link regarding Mayans breaking or cutting off the fingers of scribes doesn't exactly substantiate a French threat to cut off two (particular) bowman's finger at Agincourt. Something of a non sequitur. I have yet to see any good source for the supposed "the 'V' sign began at Agincourt" story.
It's not a non sequitor. There is a long established practice of the winning side cutting off, mutilating, or breaking the two fingers needed for being an archer-- and similarly, the fingers needed for writing by scribes. Same principle, really.
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pre-Boomer Marine brat Wed, Aug 19, 2009 8:09:32am |
DARTMOUTH, Mass. – Rep. Barney Frank lashed out at protester who held a poster depicting President Barack Obama with a Hitler-style mustache during a heated town hall meeting on federal health care reform.
"On what planet do you spend most of your time?" Frank asked the woman, who had stepped up to the podium at a southeastern Massachusetts senior center to ask why Frank supports what she called a Nazi policy.
"Ma'am, trying to have a conversation with you would be like trying to argue with a dining room table. I have no interest in doing it," Frank replied.
Assuming the description in the article is factually correct and complete, ... I agree with Barney Frank (see Note 1).
That said, ... Mr. Frank, how about zombie's and Ringo's photos? Have you ever attended a meeting where posters comparing Bush to Hitler were displayed? If so, did you say anything about THOSE posters? If so, what was it?
/Note 1 -- *gasp*, never thought I'd have occasion to do that!
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jcm Wed, Aug 19, 2009 8:09:41am |
re: #814 Sharmuta
Yes- Soldier's Angels IS the group that gets half the cookbook money. The other half goes to the LGF tip jar. So...
OR WE'LL SEND MANDY AND HER STICK TO PERSUADE YOU!
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Occasional Reader Wed, Aug 19, 2009 8:10:03am |
re: #803 iceweasel
Corporate beer is fascism, maaan!
//
The corporate fascists at Dogfish Head can oppress me any time they want. (Unless I have to drive.)
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vxbush Wed, Aug 19, 2009 8:10:08am |
Okay, I gotta get some work done or the others will suspect something.
Later.
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yma o hyd Wed, Aug 19, 2009 8:10:18am |
re: #807 Spenser (with an S)
Morning, yoh! We're in a silly mood this morning.
Just right for hot temperatures, then ...
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realwest Wed, Aug 19, 2009 8:10:42am |
re: #801 yma o hyd
Hey good afternoon {Yma} I'm glad to hear you finally got to wear your summer dress!
Probably be down in the 60's for highs tomorrow for you though! LOL!
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Coracle Wed, Aug 19, 2009 8:11:11am |
re: #752 vxbush
Wait--I'm confused. What is the administration's position here?
My read is that they're trying to regulate MtR mining more heavily with an eye to both environmental and economic impact. This pleases neither partisan side of the debate - regulations piss off the industry, and any mining at all pisses off the environmentalists. To my mind, most any decision that pisses off both extremes is on the right track.
Personally, I'd like for there to be no need to exploit resources in this way, and less invasive/destructive techniques are available - they just cost enough to make a strong economic case against them.
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Ford_Prefect Wed, Aug 19, 2009 8:11:51am |
re: #820 Occasional Reader
The corporate fascists at Dogfish Head can oppress me any time they want. (Unless I have to drive.)
I WANT GOVERNMENT CONTROLLED BEER!! A BEER IN EVERY HAND!!
///
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realwest Wed, Aug 19, 2009 8:11:59am |
re: #805 Ford_Prefect
Ah, well there are worse things - like being in the field in say January or February!
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aggieann Wed, Aug 19, 2009 8:12:42am |
re: #629 Occasional Reader
So is it fair to say you were one of the... Children of the Corn?
Amaizing children!
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karmic_inquisitor Wed, Aug 19, 2009 8:12:45am |
Good Morning all
Nice to see that Nancy Pelosi's lieutenants are out "investigating" compensation of health insurance executives. Fairly naked attempt at personilizing and focusing the "debate" around health care at the sins of some individuals.
Anyone who sees a difference between these leftists and the SoCon religious moralists on the right has blinders on - the left is every bit about creating scapegoats, creating irrational fears, poisoning debate, and imposing a moral vision on America as anyone on the Christian right is.
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pre-Boomer Marine brat Wed, Aug 19, 2009 8:13:33am |
re: #823 Sharmuta
AND I WILL YELL SOME MORE!
I bought two copies of the cookbook, one for a gift.
/unashamedly whoring for karma points
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yma o hyd Wed, Aug 19, 2009 8:13:35am |
re: #824 realwest
Hey good afternoon {Yma} I'm glad to hear you finally got to wear your summer dress!
Probably be down in the 60's for highs tomorrow for you though! LOL!
Aww, {rw}!
Don't say it ... or I'll have to start sorting out my winter clothes ... (not that they have spent that much time in the wardrobe, this 'sumer', sigh ...)
How are you?
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Spenser (with an S) Wed, Aug 19, 2009 8:14:00am |
re: #820 Occasional Reader
re: #803 iceweaselCorporate beer is fascism, maaan!
//
The corporate fascists at Dogfish Head can oppress me any time they want. (Unless I have to drive.)
Frickin' local brewery just pulled their Summer Wheat beer display down and put up the Octoberfest! Too early.
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Occasional Reader Wed, Aug 19, 2009 8:14:17am |
re: #817 iceweasel
It's not a non sequitor. There is a long established practice of the winning side cutting off, mutilating, or breaking the two fingers needed for being an archer-- and similarly, the fingers needed for writing by scribes. Same principle, really.
Yes, it's a non sequitur. You're talking about different practices (scribes versus archers... and the Mayans rather gleefully chopped up ALL their POWs, not just scribe); and you say "long established", but in this case we're talking about two cultures who had never heard of each other. It's like saying that the Incans committed atrocities during their wars of conquest, therefore, the stories of atrocities in the War of the Roses must be true.
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MandyManners Wed, Aug 19, 2009 8:14:26am |
re: #818 pre-Boomer Marine brat
Assuming the description in the article is factually correct and complete, ... I agree with Barney Frank (see Note 1).That said, ... Mr. Frank, how about zombie's and Ringo's photos? Have you ever attended a meeting where posters comparing Bush to Hitler were displayed? If so, did you say anything about THOSE posters? If so, what was it?
/Note 1 -- *gasp*, never thought I'd have occasion to do that!
He also allowed a delegate to get up into people's faces--and otherwise invade their personal spaces--and scream.
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Kenneth Wed, Aug 19, 2009 8:14:51am |
re: #716 Occasional Reader
Actually, the claim is that none of the chroniclers report that the French had threatened this mutiliation as punishment.
You are mistaken, my friend.
The quote from snopes:
Several heralds — both French and English — were present at the battle of Agincourt, and not one of them (or any later chroniclers of Agincourt) mentioned anything about the French having cut off the fingers of captured English bowman.
The heralds did not see the French cutting the fingers off of captured bowmen because the French failed to capture any. The French were slaughtered, defeated and routed by the English. The French were in no position to capture anybody. Snopes' argument is illogical.
A few years prior to Agincourt, there was a minor battle at the French town of Soissons. This was a battle between the French & the Burgundians, but there was a unit of mercenary English archers hired by the Burgundians to help them defend the town. Eventually, the French besiegers defeated the Burgundians. Most of the English archers were captured alive. At the town square in front of the cathedral, the French tortured the English to death, beginning by cutting off their fingers. This was done to slake the knights hatred of the archers, and to terrify and discourage other English archers from coming over as mercenaries. The French knights regarded the archers as unworthy of any chivalric niceties.
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Spider Mensch Wed, Aug 19, 2009 8:15:05am |
re: #812 kcladderman
Someone has to be on the pier playing when we come home. lol
I used to get a kick out of guys who bitched about being at sea. YOU JOINED THE NAVY I would remind them. I actually liked being at sea the ship was meant to be underway so when at sea everything runs a lot better. Also a lot less hassles when we were at sea. Not to say of course those homecomings weren't nice but chipping off paint just to repaint gets old after awhile. My job was on the flight deck so if there were no flight ops meant there was a lot of busy work.
I was crash crew, V-1 div...ABH obviously..what was your area?
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Ford_Prefect Wed, Aug 19, 2009 8:15:05am |
re: #827 realwest
Ah, well there are worse things - like being in the field in say January or February!
One of the first jobs I ever did in the field was in January about 10 years ago. It was about 27 degrees and the wind was blowing like crazy. I had a 25 foot tall rod with a prism on it up all the way and was trying to hold it steady as the instrument man was yelling at me to hold it still. I don't know why I didn't quit right there.
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karmic_inquisitor Wed, Aug 19, 2009 8:15:27am |
re: #803 iceweasel
Corporate beer is fascism, maaan!
//
Should't people who drink too much beer be condemned as corporealists?
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albusteve Wed, Aug 19, 2009 8:15:48am |
re: #829 karmic_inquisitor
Good Morning all
Nice to see that Nancy Pelosi's lieutenants are out "investigating" compensation of health insurance executives. Fairly naked attempt at personilizing and focusing the "debate" around health care at the sins of some individuals.
Anyone who sees a difference between these leftists and the SoCon religious moralists on the right has blinders on - the left is every bit about creating scapegoats, creating irrational fears, poisoning debate, and imposing a moral vision on America as anyone on the Christian right is.
agree and well stated...the loony right is the shiny object while the left corrupts the system, doing the real damage
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kansas Wed, Aug 19, 2009 8:16:30am |
re: #834 MandyManners
He also allowed a delegate to get up into people's faces--and otherwise invade their personal spaces--and scream.
Well of course.
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Occasional Reader Wed, Aug 19, 2009 8:16:35am |
re: #818 pre-Boomer Marine brat
Assuming the description in the article is factually correct and complete, ... I agree with Barney Frank (see Note 1).That said, ... Mr. Frank, how about zombie's and Ringo's photos? Have you ever attended a meeting where posters comparing Bush to Hitler were displayed? If so, did you say anything about THOSE posters? If so, what was it?
/Note 1 -- *gasp*, never thought I'd have occasion to do that!
I do recall one instance in which Barney Frank did the right thing; I believe he vocally criticized... Eason Jordan, was it?... for a casual remark about American troops perpetrating war crimes in Iraq. My memory's a bit fuzzy about the exact circumstance.
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Kenneth Wed, Aug 19, 2009 8:17:06am |
re: #783 Occasional Reader
I haven't read them, but at then end of Cornwell's book Azincourt, there is a section in which the author discusses the historical context, research etc. He specifically addresses the controversy surrounding this issue and sites those two historians.
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Kosh's Shadow Wed, Aug 19, 2009 8:17:10am |
re: #814 Sharmuta
Yes- Soldier's Angels IS the group that gets half the cookbook money. The other half goes to the LGF tip jar. So...
I've already got one.
It's very nice.
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realwest Wed, Aug 19, 2009 8:17:20am |
re: #831 yma o hyd
I'm doing ok my friend - it's just awfully hot here - 82 degrees and it's just 11:15 AM where I am!
NB - not trying to rub it in, just stating facts!
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Occasional Reader Wed, Aug 19, 2009 8:17:23am |
re: #826 Ford_Prefect
I WANT GOVERNMENT CONTROLLED BEER!! A BEER IN EVERY HAND!!
///
Don't give the Dems any ideas...
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yma o hyd Wed, Aug 19, 2009 8:17:25am |
re: #829 karmic_inquisitor
Good Morning all
Nice to see that Nancy Pelosi's lieutenants are out "investigating" compensation of health insurance executives. Fairly naked attempt at personilizing and focusing the "debate" around health care at the sins of some individuals.
Anyone who sees a difference between these leftists and the SoCon religious moralists on the right has blinders on - the left is every bit about creating scapegoats, creating irrational fears, poisoning debate, and imposing a moral vision on America as anyone on the Christian right is.
I'd say the left is even more in thebusiness of creating scapegoats and poisoning debates - at least this is what NuLab is doing here in the UK, right now.
They still are attacking both Dan Hannan, who was on FOX over on your side of the Big Pond, and Dave Cameron, about Hannan's critique of the NHS.
Thank God a large number of people here have had enough of this.
They ask why should it be impossible to debate what is wrong with the NHS without the NuLab LLL crowd screaming treason and blue murder.
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kcladderman Wed, Aug 19, 2009 8:17:44am |
re: #836 Spider Mensch
I was crash crew, V-1 div...ABH obviously..what was your area?
Fly 2 blue shirt then yellow shirt. Made 3rd class and was made EOPO.
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Ford_Prefect Wed, Aug 19, 2009 8:18:06am |
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pre-Boomer Marine brat Wed, Aug 19, 2009 8:18:08am |
re: #834 MandyManners
He also allowed a delegate to get up into people's faces--and otherwise invade their personal spaces--and scream.
I didn't notice that, but I don't doubt it one bit.
/glad to be back in normal "Blarney Fwank" mode
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MandyManners Wed, Aug 19, 2009 8:18:18am |
re: #840 kansas
Well of course.
I'm having a hard time clicking on links now but, is that the one of the weenie in the purple shirt?
Talk about disruptive!
Barney is an arrogant bastard who needs to be taken down a few notches. At the polls.
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HoosierHoops Wed, Aug 19, 2009 8:19:01am |
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Lincolntf Wed, Aug 19, 2009 8:19:50am |
re: #846 yma o hyd
I heard a hard-to-believe factoid the other day. Maybe you can shed some light... "The three largest employers on Earth are The Chinese Army, The Indian Rail Service and the British NHS."
Is that even possibly true?
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realwest Wed, Aug 19, 2009 8:19:52am |
re: #837 Ford_Prefect
"I don't know why I didn't quit right there."
Me either! LOL!
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Kenneth Wed, Aug 19, 2009 8:20:17am |
re: #833 Occasional Reader
But iceweasel's point is a good counter-argument to snopes rather confused claim that the French wouldn't bother to cut the fingers off of the archers, of reasons of chivalry, lack of ransom, or lack of military utility. In war, cruelty insists on it's own necessity. Doing that sort of thing was a well known practice.
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karmic_inquisitor Wed, Aug 19, 2009 8:20:38am |
re: #846 yma o hyd
I'd say the left is even more in thebusiness of creating scapegoats and poisoning debates - at least this is what NuLab is doing here in the UK, right now.
They still are attacking both Dan Hannan, who was on FOX over on your side of the Big Pond, and Dave Cameron, about Hannan's critique of the NHS.Thank God a large number of people here have had enough of this.
They ask why should it be impossible to debate what is wrong with the NHS without the NuLab LLL crowd screaming treason and blue murder.
Interesting how calling on the state to abandon wars and reduce the military "shows great moral courage and patriotism" while demanding reform of the NHS is paramount to treason.
Talk about irrational distortion of public policy debate.
Same crap happening here.
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pianobuff Wed, Aug 19, 2009 8:21:01am |
re: #818 pre-Boomer Marine brat
Assuming the description in the article is factually correct and complete, ... I agree with Barney Frank (see Note 1).
That said, ... Mr. Frank, how about zombie's and Ringo's photos? Have you ever attended a meeting where posters comparing Bush to Hitler were displayed? If so, did you say anything about THOSE posters? If so, what was it?
/Note 1 -- *gasp*, never thought I'd have occasion to do that!
Any guesses as to whom the poster-bearer cited in the process of asking her question?
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pre-Boomer Marine brat Wed, Aug 19, 2009 8:21:11am |
re: #841 Occasional Reader
I do recall one instance in which Barney Frank did the right thing; I believe he vocally criticized... Eason Jordan, was it?... for a casual remark about American troops perpetrating war crimes in Iraq. My memory's a bit fuzzy about the exact circumstance.
Wasn't aware of that. Thanks for the info.
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Ford_Prefect Wed, Aug 19, 2009 8:21:15am |
re: #853 HoosierHoops
Dang dude..Where have you been?
Look upstream. I am considering quitting my job so I have more time to spend here.
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realwest Wed, Aug 19, 2009 8:21:17am |
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midwestgak Wed, Aug 19, 2009 8:21:25am |
re: #847 HoosierHoops
Good Morning Lizards..
Need.more.coffee
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Ford_Prefect Wed, Aug 19, 2009 8:21:43am |
re: #855 realwest
"I don't know why I didn't quit right there."
Me either! LOL!
I forgot to mention that I was standing in a 5 foot snow drift at the time.
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yma o hyd Wed, Aug 19, 2009 8:22:00am |
re: #844 realwest
I'm doing ok my friend - it's just awfully hot here - 82 degrees and it's just 11:15 AM where I am!
NB - not trying to rub it in, just stating facts!
Glad to hear you're doing ok!
82 in the morning - as opposed to mid-afternoon, with a lovely cool breeze coming off the Bristol Channel - that most certainly would 'do me in'!
And Madame would hate it - she is uncomfortable in the heat, in spite of having had her fur clipped a few weeks back.
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Spider Mensch Wed, Aug 19, 2009 8:23:16am |
re: #849 kcladderman
Fly 2 blue shirt then yellow shirt. Made 3rd class and was made EOPO.
ahh! a fellow V-1, though you know us crash crew types..a different breed..lol...I been out for years..I always wondered if they made crash a seperate job under the ABH rate?? probably not..but I know that was talked about at one time.
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realwest Wed, Aug 19, 2009 8:23:19am |
Well, gotta run and do some chores - hope you all have a great day and that I get the chance to see you all down the road!
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pre-Boomer Marine brat Wed, Aug 19, 2009 8:23:41am |
re: #858 pianobuff
Any guesses as to whom the poster-bearer cited in the process of asking her question?
I don't know. I happened to notice the headline while checking webmail and clicked through. I haven't researched any more about that meeting.
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kansas Wed, Aug 19, 2009 8:23:52am |
re: #852 MandyManners
I'm having a hard time clicking on links now but, is that the one of the weenie in the purple shirt?
Talk about disruptive!
Barney is an arrogant bastard who needs to be taken down a few notches. At the polls.
No, that's the one where Obama urges people to get up in their neighbors faces.
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pianobuff Wed, Aug 19, 2009 8:24:24am |
re: #868 pre-Boomer Marine brat
I don't know. I happened to notice the headline while checking webmail and clicked through. I haven't researched any more about that meeting.
I believe she's a LaRouchian.
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Coracle Wed, Aug 19, 2009 8:24:47am |
re: #818 pre-Boomer Marine brat
Assuming the description in the article is factually correct and complete, ... I agree with Barney Frank (see Note 1).
That said, ... Mr. Frank, how about zombie's and Ringo's photos? Have you ever attended a meeting where posters comparing Bush to Hitler were displayed? If so, did you say anything about THOSE posters? If so, what was it?
I believe he would say something else from that very clip.
"It is a tribute to the First Amendment that this kind of vile, contemptible nonsense can be freely propagated."
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Ford_Prefect Wed, Aug 19, 2009 8:24:50am |
re: #867 realwest
Well, gotta run and do some chores - hope you all have a great day and that I get the chance to see you all down the road!
Take care Real!
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Walter L. Newton Wed, Aug 19, 2009 8:25:56am |
I love this. Here is another article on tomorrows strategy session that Obama will be having with his supporters. The article calls it "grass roots."
"President Barack Obama will Thursday hold a live online and telephone strategy meeting to rally devoted grass roots backers as a backlash over his health reform plan spreads to liberal media commentators."
But notice that this grass roots effort is being arranged by a large big money organization.
"David Plouffe, who ran Obama's triumphant 2008 election campaign, and now steers the Organizing for America supporter network, said Obama wanted to lay out his strategy and message, as controversy stalks his major reform plan. "This is a critical time in this president's administration and in the history of our country. I hope you can join us," Plouffe wrote in an email to supporters, soliciting questions for the president."
Now, what has the progressive been screaming over and over for the last two weeks while the conservatives have been pushing back on the health care proposals?
The progressives have been claiming that the conservative efforts are NOT GRASS ROOTS because they have been supported by big money and organizations and so on.
But, the progressives rally tomorrow, set up by big money and an organization is simply grass roots.
I have yet to even see links and proof that all the conservative support has been set up by big money and organizations. It may be, but that's not my point.
I get tired of all this posturing on either side. Lying SOB's.
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pre-Boomer Marine brat Wed, Aug 19, 2009 8:26:06am |
re: #870 pianobuff
I believe she's a LaRouchian.
Hmmm, my spellchecker says that should be "LaRoachian".
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yma o hyd Wed, Aug 19, 2009 8:26:42am |
re: #854 Lincolntf
I heard a hard-to-believe factoid the other day. Maybe you can shed some light... "The three largest employers on Earth are The Chinese Army, The Indian Rail Service and the British NHS."
Is that even possibly true?
Yep.
There are 1.3 million employees working in the NHS - thats obviously not just front-line medical personnel but adminsitrators, laboratories, physio, technicians, etc etc etc ...
Dunno how many there are in the Chinese Army or the Indian Rail Service ...
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Millicent Islam Wed, Aug 19, 2009 8:29:48am |
re: #856 Kenneth
But iceweasel's point is a good counter-argument to snopes rather confused claim that the French wouldn't bother to cut the fingers off of the archers, of reasons of chivalry, lack of ransom, or lack of military utility. In war, cruelty insists on it's own necessity. Doing that sort of thing was a well known practice.
Exactly, thank you Kenneth. My point was that it's wrong and confused to claim that the French wouldn't do such a thing, or that the practice was somehow especially unusual.
In fact it was a standard practice for the reason you mention: in war certain kinds of cruelty become their own necessity.
Not just for the french or that time, but everywhere, everytime.
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pre-Boomer Marine brat Wed, Aug 19, 2009 8:31:32am |
re: #871 Coracle
I believe he would say something else from that very clip.
"It is a tribute to the First Amendment that this kind of vile, contemptible nonsense can be freely propagated."
I saw that, and agreed, but truncated my quote to save thread-space.
My reply would be ... Mr. Frank, did you apply the words vile, comtemptible and nonsense to the poster/s depicting Bush as Hitler, or did you use other terminology?
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Coracle Wed, Aug 19, 2009 8:33:09am |
re: #877 pre-Boomer Marine brat
I saw that, and agreed, but truncated my quote to save thread-space.
My reply would be ... Mr. Frank, did you apply the words vile, comtemptible and nonsense to the poster/s depicting Bush as Hitler, or did you use other terminology?
I don't know. Was he ever asked?
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aboo-Hoo-Hoo Wed, Aug 19, 2009 8:40:33am |
re: #737 Coracle
I'm not quite sure of your point but I suspect you may be confusing the current Admin's 'position' versus the courts ruling that Salazar & the DoI could not reverse the Bush Admin's regulation without first notifying affected applicable parties for comment and hearings - process & procedure.
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Coracle Wed, Aug 19, 2009 8:42:19am |
re: #880 aboo-Hoo-Hoo
My point is that Salazar said what they were going to try to do openly.
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