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This country has come to feel the same when Congress is in session as when the baby gets hold of a hammer.

Will Rogers

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1 sngnsgt  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 10:59:34pm

My own re-post from the last thread but worth it:

God bless the men and women of every branch of The United States Military. I had a great day today, spent the whole day with my AF ret. SMSGT Father out @ Nellis, AFB today. My Epilepsy kept me from serving, but my Father did 22 years Air Force. It was great to see the men and women who proudly serve their country to keep America safe in uniform going about their daily business.

2 Abu Al-Poopypants  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 11:00:03pm

Will, a baby with a hammer is more likely to do something constructive.

3 ArchangelMichael  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 11:00:16pm
This country has come to feel the same when Congress is in session as when the baby gets hold of a hammer.

That's the best way I've heard it put in awhile.

4 SpaceJesus  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 11:02:37pm

his statue is my favorite in the capitol

5 Ringo the Gringo  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 11:03:14pm

A remark generally hurts in proportion to its truth.
~ Will Rogers

6 Silvergirl  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 11:03:21pm

Will Rogers did what he said he did. "I don't make jokes. I just watch the government and report the facts."

7 Ringo the Gringo  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 11:05:07pm

Buy land. They ain't making any more of the stuff.
~ Will Rogers

8 Silvergirl  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 11:07:12pm

Staying up any later tonight isn't in my best interest. Sailin' on! Time to head for the cabin and hit the bunk.

Thanks for the fun!

9 LudwigVanQuixote  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 11:08:54pm

Actually it is 2:00 AM here too... Need sleep.

10 BatGuano  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 11:11:49pm

"The newspaper headline said, ' Congress Deadlocked: Unable to act'. That's best news I've heard all day," - Will Rogers

11 pat  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 11:13:34pm

Now why would any one worry about these stupid, greedy, delusional, racist, criminal, ignorant, assholes we call our legislators? Can't imagine a reason.

12 Pvt Bin Jammin  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 11:16:49pm

re: #1 sngnsgt

My own re-post from the last thread but worth it:

God bless the men and women of every branch of The United States Military. I had a great day today, spent the whole day with my AF ret. SMSGT Father out @ Nellis, AFB today. My Epilepsy kept me from serving, but my Father did 22 years Air Force. It was great to see the men and women who proudly serve their country to keep America safe in uniform going about their daily business.

OMG, how great was that! Please thank your father for his service, and thank you for your patriotism. As a former Nevadan, I have a soft spot in my heart for those guys from Nellis.

13 BatGuano  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 11:17:57pm

re: #11 pat

Now why would any one worry about these stupid, greedy, delusional, racist, criminal, ignorant, assholes we call our legislators? Can't imagine a reason.

That was a wiley post.

14 Pvt Bin Jammin  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 11:20:03pm

re: #13 BatGuano

That was a wiley post.

Wiley Coyote for Congress, 2010.

15 Irenicum  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 11:21:17pm

G'nite gang! And thanks for the prayers.

16 SixDegrees  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 11:22:05pm

re: #14 Pvt Bin Jammin

Wiley Coyote for Congress, 2010.

Send a Super Genius to Congress.

17 BatGuano  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 11:22:55pm

re: #14 Pvt Bin Jammin

Well, he is a "Super Genius."

18 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 11:26:17pm

re: #17 BatGuano

Well, he is a "Super Genius."

And even if his schemes always backfire, at least he means well. He's the prefect Democrat!

19 Pvt Bin Jammin  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 11:26:45pm

That's right, he's a "Super Genius". I'll bet his IQ is above 167.;-) & he's got testosterone as well!

(For you lizards that weren't here in '07 we had a poster who used to brag about her IQ. She blamed all the world's ills on testosterone.)

20 BatGuano  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 11:29:21pm

re: #18 Dark_Falcon

Makes sense. Road Runner is probably a Republican.

21 BatGuano  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 11:30:14pm

re: #19 Pvt Bin Jammin

Sorry I missed it. Sounds amusing. :)

22 Pvt Bin Jammin  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 11:30:44pm

re: #20 BatGuano

Makes sense. Road Runner is probably a Republican.


Let's get both of them in there. They can't be worse than what we have.

23 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 11:32:08pm

re: #20 BatGuano

Makes sense. Road Runner is probably a Republican.

The problem is that the Road Runner has caught a case of Bad Craziness that is slowing him down a great deal. He needs to purge this contagion or he'll end up on the coyote's dinner table.

24 sngnsgt  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 11:35:59pm

re: #12 Pvt Bin Jammin

It was f'n awesome! The plan was to go to the Base Exchange so I could take advantage of the BX prices and buy myself some clothes for the hot summer days of the NV desert. The first thing was driving through the front gate and my Father being retired, he has a ret. base sticker on the front of his Explorer. The guard at the gate seeing the base pass on the bumper as a retired service man, instead of the usual wave through the gate that anyone else gets as they drive through the gate, the guard snapped to attention and gave my Father a salute as we passed through the gate. The first stop was a quick park along the flight line watching planes take off and land on their daily routines. Then the BX, and then a ride through base base housing where the troops take up residence. I grew up on Bolling AFB in Washington DC. Compared to living life as a "civilian", growing up as "an Air Force brat" was an experience I'll never forget.

25 Winslow  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 11:36:10pm
26 sngnsgt  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 11:38:16pm

re: #12 Pvt Bin Jammin

I thank my Father every chance I get.

27 BatGuano  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 11:40:53pm

re: #25 Winslow

Literally, laughing out loud. That is clever.

28 Pvt Bin Jammin  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 11:48:22pm

re: #24 sngnsgt

Awesome. My dad was a civilian who taught the Army Air Corps pilots how to fix planes, and he did a great job, but our neighbor was a retired Lt. Colonel, USMC, who came up through the ranks. I used to go to our little base with him (in northern Nevada) and we got the spiffy salute as well. I have to say, after they knew my face, I got the spiffy salute too, even though I was civilian. I ended up marrying one of those Marines. LOL

29 Pvt Bin Jammin  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 11:49:55pm

re: #25 Winslow

Miss IQ 167

OMG, thank you for that!

30 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 11:52:53pm

And with this thread at a lull, I'm going to head to bed. I'll try to stop in before I leave for work. And Killgore, I did recommend your #599 from the previous thread. Hopefully Charles will find it as threadworthy as I do.

31 Pvt Bin Jammin  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 11:54:39pm

re: #30 Dark_Falcon

Sweet dreams. I asked Kilgoreto post it over here as well.

32 BatGuano  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 11:54:45pm

re: #30 Dark_Falcon

Goodnight, DF.

33 sngnsgt  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 11:55:54pm

re: #28 Pvt Bin Jammin

Great for you! So you know what military life is like, I don't need to go any further. Another stop I HAD to make, (not for Dad, for me) was the barber shop to get a high and tight haircut with whitewalls and everything. I gotta' bug him to take me out there more often.

34 Pvt Bin Jammin  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 11:55:57pm

PIMF Killgore to.

Killgoreto is kinda cute though.

35 BatGuano  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 11:58:11pm

re: #34 Pvt Bin Jammin

PIMF Killgore to.

Killgoreto is kinda cute though.

I thought that was intentional. I like it too!

36 Killgore Trout  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 11:59:07pm

re: #34 Pvt Bin Jammin

Heh, I've become increasingly fatalistic about what's going on and what going to happen. We've seen it all before and we can see it coming again. It shouldn't really be news, it's only history repeating.
/So it goes

//cheers!

37 Killgore Trout  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 11:59:50pm

Namaste, Y'all

38 BatGuano  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 12:00:28am

re: #34 Pvt Bin Jammin

PIMF Killgore to.

Killgoreto is kinda cute though.

Hey, I'm "excrement from a bats hindquarters" :)

39 imploder  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 12:01:10am

re: #24 sngnsgt

It was f'n awesome! The plan was to go to the Base Exchange so I could take advantage of the BX prices and buy myself some clothes for the hot summer days of the NV desert. The first thing was driving through the front gate and my Father being retired, he has a ret. base sticker on the front of his Explorer. The guard at the gate seeing the base pass on the bumper as a retired service man, instead of the usual wave through the gate that anyone else gets as they drive through the gate, the guard snapped to attention and gave my Father a salute as we passed through the gate. The first stop was a quick park along the flight line watching planes take off and land on their daily routines. Then the BX, and then a ride through base base housing where the troops take up residence. I grew up on Bolling AFB in Washington DC. Compared to living life as a "civilian", growing up as "an Air Force brat" was an experience I'll never forget.

You got on Nellis without an ID check? And the gate guard saluted an enlisted man?

40 Gus  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 12:01:42am

Found the Meetup Page for that Chris guy!

[Link: www.meetup.com...]

41 Gus  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 12:02:23am
42 Pvt Bin Jammin  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 12:02:43am

re: #36 Killgore Trout

Heh, I've become increasingly fatalistic about what's going on and what going to happen. We've seen it all before and we can see it coming again. It shouldn't really be news, it's only history repeating.
/So it goes

//cheers!

It's all about a little history repeated...

G'Nite lizards, G'nite Kilgoreto. I am out too.

43 Gus  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 12:04:16am

re: #40 Gus 802

“ congrats on all the news coverage! ”
—DAVID (Aug 19, 2009 1:11 AM)

“ wow, i just saw your CNN news clip. enjoy your 15 minutes! ”
—Eric (Aug 18, 2009 9:13 PM)

[Link: www.meetup.com...]

44 sngnsgt  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 12:05:17am

re: #39 imploder

Nope, I didn't. The old man was driving, I don't drive because of my Epilepsy. The AF retired sticker is what got the salute.

45 imploder  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 12:08:13am

re: #44 sngnsgt

Nope, I didn't. The old man was driving, I don't drive because of my Epilepsy. The AF retired sticker is what got the salute.

I'm retired from the USAF as an enlisted MSgt and I have no special sticker that denotes that. I've never been saluted at the gate nor do I ever expect to receive one. It's not part of our customs and courtesies to render salutes to enlisted people, retired or otherwise.

Just saying. And since 9/11 they haven't allowed anyone on any base that I know of without an ID check. The old DoD base stickers have been eliminated at most locations if not all by now due to security concerns.

But I'm not saying it didn't happen. It's just unusual.

46 Gus  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 12:14:03am

Another Meetup page:

[Link: www.meetup.com...]

This time with a portrait.

Confirmed.

47 Syrah  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 12:19:10am

re: #46 Gus 802

Another Meetup page:

[Link: www.meetup.com...]

This time with a portrait.

Confirmed.

Seems a bit scattered and unfocused in a very Ron Paul-bot sort of way.

48 BatGuano  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 12:19:30am

re: #40 Gus 802

Found the Meetup Page for that Chris guy!

[Link: www.meetup.com...]

Gus, who is that Chris Guy?

49 sngnsgt  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 12:20:14am

re: #45 imploder

I was only a passenger, my Father was driving. They didn't check ID's on passengers. I'll have to ask him about the sticker, he does have an Air Force retired license plate on the front bumper too. I've been on Nellis many times this past year (with him) and never had an ID check. I can't buy anything at the BX without him, they don't check ID when you go into the BX there, just the check-out counter. When we lived on Bolling in DC, they checked ID at the BX entrance not the check-out.

50 Gus  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 12:21:41am

re: #47 Syrah

Seems a bit scattered and unfocused in a very Ron Paul-bot sort of way.

Fore sure. Here's his John Birch Meetup page:

[Link: jbs.meetup.com...]

And his typical interests:

Badnarik for Congress, Hiking, Christian Social, Experimental Music, Do It Yourself, Young Republicans, Volunteer, United States Constitution, Singles, Photography, Off Leash Dog Recreation, New Technology, Motorcycle Riders, Museum, Jazz, Indie Film, Dining Out, Card Games, Boardgames, Book Club, Art, Digital Photography, Christian Music, Gospel Music, Impeach Bush, Anti-Death Penalty, Anti-Police Misconduct, Townhall, Friends, Active Dogs, Bible Study, Nightshift, Motocross, Anarchy, Shyness & Social Anxiety, Bicycling, BMX, Born Again Christians, Election Reform, Fight Big Media, Ron Paul Campaigns, Stop the Patriot Act, Constitution Party, Right to Bear Arms, Local Politics, Libertarian, Free State Project, Bill of Rights Defense Committee, Chuck Baldwin

51 Gus  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 12:22:35am

re: #48 BatGuano

Gus, who is that Chris Guy?

He's the one with that showed up at that Obama event in Phoenix with the AR-15 and was interviewed by CNN, etc.

He goes by Chris B. but this is the first time I was able to locate more specific information.

52 BatGuano  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 12:22:54am

By the way, Wiley Post was the pilot of the plane that crashed killing Will rogers.
See my #13.

53 BatGuano  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 12:24:57am

re: #51 Gus 802

Thanks, I had not heard about that one. The last one I heard of was at the townhall in New Hampshire. Morons all.

54 imploder  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 12:26:12am

re: #49 sngnsgt

I was only a passenger, my Father was driving. They didn't check ID's on passengers. I'll have to ask him about the sticker, he does have an Air Force retired license plate on the front bumper too. I've been on Nellis many times this past year (with him) and never had an ID check. I can't buy anything at the BX without him, they don't check ID when you go into the BX there, just the check-out counter. When we lived on Bolling in DC, they checked ID at the BX entrance not the check-out.

I misspoke earlier. The policy that I've seen at most places is that children under 10 do not need to show IDs to get on base. So even 11 or 12 year olds, if they are 10-ish in size, will pass through the dragnet.

Usually, someone teenager and up, will have some form of ID. If they are a dependent family member, they will have a DoD issued pink ID card (I have one, my wife is still active duty). Dependents are up to college age (24, I believe if still actively pursuing college, 18 if not). Some people get permanent dependency status depending on medical conditions, etc.

If the person is a guest, there is usually a policy in place to sign them into the base at a visitor control center. I haven't been to Nellis in like four years, though. It varies a little from base to base but there is an overarching policy for security USAF wide.

55 Gus  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 12:26:16am

re: #53 BatGuano

Thanks, I had not heard about that one. The last one I heard of was at the townhall in New Hampshire. Morons all.

Yeah, was couple of threads here today about that. Was organized by a bunch of Ron Paul kooks. Seriously. They had 12 show up armed.

56 imploder  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 12:27:38am

Retired people carry immediately identifiable blue ID cards. Mine is actually worthless here in Germany because I'm a command sponsored dependent so everyone wants to see my pink ID for the use of base services.

57 BatGuano  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 12:28:12am

re: #52 BatGuano

Will Rogers and Wiley Post.

58 sngnsgt  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 12:33:56am

re: #54 imploder

I misspoke earlier. The policy that I've seen at most places is that children under 10 do not need to show IDs to get on base. So even 11 or 12 year olds, if they are 10-ish in size, will pass through the dragnet.

Usually, someone teenager and up, will have some form of ID. If they are a dependent family member, they will have a DoD issued pink ID card (I have one, my wife is still active duty). Dependents are up to college age (24, I believe if still actively pursuing college, 18 if not). Some people get permanent dependency status depending on medical conditions, etc.

If the person is a guest, there is usually a policy in place to sign them into the base at a visitor control center. I haven't been to Nellis in like four years, though. It varies a little from base to base but there is an overarching policy for security USAF wide.

Whenever we had guests, family and such come visit on Bolling, they called the active duty person to the gate to sign someone in and sign for a pass. My Mother's family used to visit all the time and play tourist at all the monuments in DC. A visotors pass was only good for 3 days and then they had to get a new one.

59 MrPaulRevere  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 12:35:01am

You stay classy, Crooks and Liars: From the front page post; "Novak will perhaps be best remembered -- if at all -- as one of the most compulsive professional liars to have wormed his way inside the Beltway, and that's saying something." Comment number #8:

"Brain cancer eh?

Couldn't have happened to a nicer guy."
And people wonder why Charles deletes comments...

60 MrPaulRevere  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 12:35:50am
61 sngnsgt  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 12:36:13am

re: #56 imploder

I think his ID is blue, I didn't notice.

62 imploder  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 12:36:19am

Sngnsgt, sorry. It's just that talking about base security is more fun than talking about Barney Franks' townhall meeting. :)

63 Syrah  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 12:36:21am

re: #50 Gus 802

Fore sure. Here's his John Birch Meetup page:

[Link: jbs.meetup.com...]

And his typical interests:

Badnarik for Congress, Hiking, Christian Social, Experimental Music, Do It Yourself, Young Republicans, Volunteer, United States Constitution, Singles, Photography, Off Leash Dog Recreation, New Technology, Motorcycle Riders, Museum, Jazz, Indie Film, Dining Out, Card Games, Boardgames, Book Club, Art, Digital Photography, Christian Music, Gospel Music, Impeach Bush, Anti-Death Penalty, Anti-Police Misconduct, Townhall, Friends, Active Dogs, Bible Study, Nightshift, Motocross, Anarchy, Shyness & Social Anxiety, Bicycling, BMX, Born Again Christians, Election Reform, Fight Big Media, Ron Paul Campaigns, Stop the Patriot Act, Constitution Party, Right to Bear Arms, Local Politics, Libertarian, Free State Project, Bill of Rights Defense Committee, Chuck Baldwin

Those nuts that are showing off their guns at these Presidential Town halls bring to mind that Robert De Niro character in the movie Taxi Driver.

64 Gus  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 12:37:56am

re: #63 Syrah

Those nuts that are showing off their guns at these Presidential Town halls bring to mind that Robert De Niro character in the movie Taxi Driver.

They do. Something tells me this guys is off his rocker but I think we've already guessed that. That list is all over the map.

65 BatGuano  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 12:39:40am

re: #59 MrPaulRevere

"And people wonder why Charles deletes comments..."

This is why Charles deletes some comments.

66 sngnsgt  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 12:40:06am

re: #62 imploder

Ain't that the truth, this was more than 20 years ago when I was a dependent, my ID growing up was light brown.

67 imploder  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 12:40:35am

re: #64 Gus 802

They do. Something tells me this guys is off his rocker but I think we've already guessed that. That list is all over the map.

That list is worse than a TQM Pareto chart with some total quality guru pointing at the shotgun blast saying there is an obvious trend...

68 TheMatrix31  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 12:42:14am

Well, I'm back in LA.

This place sucks.

69 imploder  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 12:42:43am

re: #68 TheMatrix31

Well, I'm back in LA.

This place sucks.

Randy Newman loves LA...

70 BatGuano  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 12:43:37am

re: #68 TheMatrix31

Well, I'm back in LA.

This place sucks.

But it is your home!

71 Gus  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 12:43:59am

re: #67 imploder

That list is worse than a TQM Pareto chart with some total quality guru pointing at the shotgun blast saying there is an obvious trend...

I'd call that list bipolar but two polar regions wouldn't be enough. //

72 imploder  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 12:44:54am

re: #71 Gus 802

I'd call that list bipolar but two polar regions wouldn't be enough. //

Agreed. I'd call it psychotic, but I only play a doctor on TV...

73 imploder  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 12:46:01am

I picked the wrong week to quit drinking.

74 Gus  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 12:46:20am

re: #72 imploder

Agreed. I'd call it psychotic, but I only play a doctor on TV...

You know. I've always thought Ron Paul was crazy. As time goes by and I see more of his followers I actually think he's crazier than I first thought. The man is an evil creep.

75 BatGuano  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 12:47:25am

re: #69 imploder

Randy Newman loves LA...

But he's got a big nasty redhead by his side.

76 imploder  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 12:50:10am

re: #74 Gus 802

You know. I've always thought Ron Paul was crazy. As time goes by and I see more of his followers I actually think he's crazier than I first thought. The man is an evil creep.

There are certain people who are low-hanging fruit for Dr Ron's special breed of paranoia. Some of my family members, for example.

77 BatGuano  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 12:51:26am

re: #73 imploder

I picked the wrong week to quit drinking.

Every week is the wrong week.

78 Gus  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 12:51:50am

re: #76 imploder

There are certain people who are low-hanging fruit for Dr Ron's special breed of paranoia. Some of my family members, for example.

Sorry to hear that. It's actually better to have "normal" Democrats in the family. ;)

79 sngnsgt  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 12:53:48am

re: #78 Gus 802

Sorry to hear that. It's actually better to have "normal" Democrats in the family. ;)

Normal Democrat, now there's an oxymoron if I've ever heard one. ;-)

80 Gus  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 12:55:11am

re: #79 sngnsgt

Normal Democrat, now there's an oxymoron if I've ever heard one. ;-)

Well, some go to extremes. Now those Paulians are like a salad of crazies.

81 MrPaulRevere  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 12:58:37am

re: #78 Gus 802

Ron Paul is a utopian snake oil salesman who wants to take us back to a glorious past that never existed. As rational observers of the political scene, we should fight him with the same zeal we use to oppose utopians of the left who promise us a future which will never materialize.

82 imploder  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 12:59:28am

My dad, in particular is a Gold-standard tax-conspiracy guy (even though he pays no taxes).

83 Gus  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 1:04:13am

Got a name!

84 TheMatrix31  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 1:06:51am

re: #70 BatGuano

But it is your home!

Blekh...it's not my home, it's where I currently reside!

85 BatGuano  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 1:14:15am

re: #84 TheMatrix31

Blekh...it's not my home, it's where I currently reside!

Then where is home? If I may ask.

86 Gus  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 1:14:41am

Chris B. is Christopher Broughton

Also listed here:

[Link: www.givemeliberty.org...]

And here:

[Link: www.givemeliberty.org...]

Don't ask me how I got it because it involves a phone number the boob posted.

87 Eretz  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 1:16:48am

Stop the Presses: Blood Libel Goes Mainstream: Swedish Newspaper Proves Antisemitism Is Anti-Zionism Is Now Acceptable

[Link: rubinreports.blogspot.com...]

Swedish Social Democratic newspaper prominently features article claiming Israel's army deliberately murders Palestinian civilians to sell their organs.

We have entered the Twilight Zone.

88 TheMatrix31  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 1:19:20am

re: #85 BatGuano

Then where is home? If I may ask.

Born in Fresno...moved down to LA in 2000. Hated it then, hate it now. Hate it even more now that I visited the awesome Midwest, even if the trip DID include Obamaland.

89 Millicent Islam  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 1:21:23am

Ahoy, polloi!
How's everybody and what's going on?

90 Gus  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 1:22:25am

re: #89 iceweasel

Ahoy, polloi!
How's everybody and what's going on?

Internet sleuthing. Figured out who "Chris B" is. See #86.

91 BatGuano  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 1:23:32am

re: #89 iceweasel

Hoi polloi are doing fine. How you?

92 Millicent Islam  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 1:23:56am

re: #90 Gus 802

Internet sleuthing. Figured out who "Chris B" is. See #86.

Awesome. I love your Internet sleuthing. But who is this Chris B? I've not been paying attention. One of these townhall nuts?

93 Gus  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 1:24:34am

re: #92 iceweasel

Awesome. I love your Internet sleuthing. But who is this Chris B? I've not been paying attention. One of these townhall nuts?

Yeah. The almost famous guy with the AR-15. You know, Erkel.

94 Millicent Islam  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 1:26:30am

re: #93 Gus 802

Yeah. The almost famous guy with the AR-15. You know, Erkel.

Oh wow. Ok, I know now--- I was just checking this out on TPM, I guess people have already seen it.?..


TPM LiveWire
Assault Rifle Interview Outside Obama Event In Phoenix Was Planned

Ernest Hancock, the online radio host who interviewed the man with the assault rifle outside yesterday's Obama event in Arizona, today stated that the whole event was actually planned in advance. Watch the video below.

Hancock appeared on Rick Sanchez's CNN show this afternoon. After explaining a few details about the interview, including the tidbit that he's known 'Chris' (the man with the AR-15) for two years because of their mutual work for Ron Paul, the CNN host said "the more we look into this, the more it appears that it was really planned."

Going to check out your links!

95 BatGuano  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 1:28:44am

re: #94 iceweasel

Ice, were just being disingenuous?

96 Millicent Islam  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 1:30:17am

re: #91 BatGuano

Hoi polloi are doing fine. How you?

Hey B to the G! How are you?

97 Gus  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 1:30:59am

re: #94 iceweasel

Going to check out your links!

OK, but here's how I figured it out...

Step 1

Step 2

Step 3 - I'll skip because it involves a phone number which I found at step 2.

Step 4

98 BatGuano  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 1:31:54am

re: #96 iceweasel

Hey B to the G! How are you?

Just fine, still a member of hoi polloi. :)

99 Millicent Islam  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 1:35:44am

re: #97 Gus 802

Wow, amazing, excellent work. Kind of scary how much info the internets gives up on people, isn't it?

re: #98 BatGuano

Just fine, still a member of hoi polloi. :)

Me too! Who would be anything else?

100 BatGuano  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 1:37:16am

re: #99 iceweasel

"Me too! Who would be anything else?"

Congress.

101 Millicent Islam  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 1:40:03am

re: #100 BatGuano

"Me too! Who would be anything else?"

Congress.

You're right, as ever. I should have phrased that as What decent person would be anything else. :)

Disingenuous how? Me? At the same time I was reading here I had TPM open-- didn't even realise it was about the same guy. I haven't been keeping up on this at all.

102 Gus  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 1:40:23am

re: #99 iceweasel

Wow, amazing, excellent work. Kind of scary how much info the internets gives up on people, isn't it?

Yeah. But only if you leave an easy trail. Of course given his activity there's a reason for looking into the matter.

103 Gus  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 1:43:50am

So you heard it here first. ;)

104 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 1:48:16am

So after passing an 11 panel drug test yesterday for my new job, I gave the results to my boss. She was suprised I was negative for everything. She said even she smokes weed, but they need to keep out the meth and coke heads. Jeez.

105 Gus  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 1:51:26am

re: #104 Cannadian Club Akbar

So after passing an 11 panel drug test yesterday for my new job, I gave the results to my boss. She was suprised I was negative for everything. She said even she smokes weed, but they need to keep out the meth and coke heads. Jeez.

If they took one for me they'd find some Aleve, penicillin and a dark espresso roast. /

106 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 1:52:28am

re: #105 Gus 802

If they took one for me they'd find some Aleve, penicillin and a dark espresso roast. /

I won't ask about the penicillin.
/It burns!!!

107 Gus  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 1:53:33am

re: #106 Cannadian Club Akbar

I won't ask about the penicillin.
/It burns!!!

It's for a tooth. ;)

108 Karridine  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 1:55:27am

re: #107 Gus 802

Riiight... :D

109 BatGuano  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 1:55:58am

re: #101 iceweasel

Just a question. I'm reminded of Catch-22 when a character had the " Facts at his fingertips". You've always impressed me with your honesty, which I prize among all other traits. You came up with the link awfully quickly. I think I have inherited my cynicism from my late dad. In any case, I have a great deal of respect for your opinions. No offense intended. :)

110 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 1:56:42am

re: #107 Gus 802

I had an abscess tooth once. Needed to take penicillin for 5 days before they could pull it. I was eating about 30 Tylenol a day. Freaking pain!!

111 Gus  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 1:58:01am

re: #110 Cannadian Club Akbar

I had an abscess tooth once. Needed to take penicillin for 5 days before they could pull it. I was eating about 30 Tylenol a day. Freaking pain!!

Yep. I need to figure out what to do. Don't really want to have it pulled. But the root canal route is $1500 and that's with a dental plan.

112 BatGuano  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 1:59:40am

Lord let there be fruit cup.

113 Karridine  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 1:59:42am

re: #111 Gus 802

Holy Mackerel!

Buy a discounted ticket, fly to Thailand and have it done cleanly and correctly (by American-trained Thai dentists) for a couple hundred dollars TOPS...

114 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 1:59:57am

re: #111 Gus 802

Yep. I need to figure out what to do. Don't really want to have it pulled. But the root canal route is $1500 and that's with a dental plan.

At one point about 6 years ago, I spent $3500 on my teeth out of pocket. Everyone was telling me to get dentures. I didn't want them. Well worth the investment.

115 Millicent Islam  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 2:00:06am

re: #109 BatGuano

Just a question. I'm reminded of Catch-22 when a character had the " Facts at his fingertips". You've always impressed me with your honesty, which I prize among all other traits. You came up with the link awfully quickly. I think I have inherited my cynicism from my late dad. In any case, I have a great deal of respect for your opinions. No offense intended. :)

Oh no prob, I totally understand-- I'm usually multitasking when I'm here and have multiple tabs open for various things. In this case I happened to be reading TPM at the same time-- i was totally startled the article turned out to be about the same guy, myself. In between posting and waiting for Gus's response I had flipped back to read more of it! pretty wacky

No worries {Bat}.
Who's the one in catch 22 with the 'facts at his fingertips"? I love that book but it's been a long time since I read it...I used to have a cat named Yossarian. :)

116 Gus  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 2:01:35am

re: #113 Karridine

Holy Mackerel!

Buy a discounted ticket, fly to Thailand and have it done cleanly and correctly (by American-trained Thai dentists) for a couple hundred dollars TOPS...

Damn, that's a good deal. But that would take a lot of work on my end. It's much less in Mexico so I heard.

117 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 2:04:55am

re: #116 Gus 802

Damn, that's a good deal. But that would take a lot of work on my end. It's much less in Mexico so I heard.

I'd say shop around. Also, you can get a payment plan if you ask, I'm sure.

118 BatGuano  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 2:05:50am

re: #115 iceweasel

It was an officer who's name I don't remember. The question was, "Who is Yossarian?, and the officer had the facts at his fingertips. I read the book twice 40 years ago, I need to read it again.

119 Gus  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 2:06:26am

re: #117 Cannadian Club Akbar

I'd say shop around. Also, you can get a payment plan if you ask, I'm sure.

That's the standard rate for two dental plans I have actually. They'd all be the same. It's kind of like "price fixing" if you ask me. But, maybe there could be a chance someone is cheaper even without a discount plan.

120 opnion  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 2:08:02am

Good morning fun seekers. There is nothing better than wakeing up in a hotel room in the miidle of the night, hours before your wake up call.
Nothing better at all, there is so much to do in the room.

121 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 2:09:45am

re: #120 opnion

Good morning fun seekers. There is nothing better than wakeing up in a hotel room in the miidle of the night, hours before your wake up call.
Nothing better at all, there is so much to do in the room.

I had the same problem when I used to go to LA from my spot in an eastern time zone. I always stayed on east coast time.

122 UncleRancher  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 2:11:05am

Dental... I'm in the middle of a whole series of visits to the chair or torture. Two crowns and a filling so far, and about 3 or 4 visits to go. They do have some impressive new materials in the form of composite and adhesives these days.

123 BatGuano  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 2:12:58am

littleoldlady's last post was on the 16th. Does anyone have any information or a way to contact her? I do not want to intrude on her private life but I am concerned.

124 UncleRancher  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 2:13:04am

Oops, that's chair OF torture. Silly spell check doesn't catch everything.

125 Gus  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 2:13:08am

re: #122 UncleRancher

Dental... I'm in the middle of a whole series of visits to the chair or torture. Two crowns and a filling so far, and about 3 or 4 visits to go. They do have some impressive new materials in the form of composite and adhesives these days.

I know the pain can be a hassle but the pain from not going is much worse. :)

126 opnion  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 2:15:05am

re: #121 Cannadian Club Akbar

I had the same problem when I used to go to LA from my spot in an eastern time zone. I always stayed on east coast time.

I hear ya. I am out of my time zone, but only one.
I am in so many hotel rooms, that it usually not a problem.
Today is the exception.

127 UncleRancher  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 2:15:29am

re: #125 Gus 802

I know the pain can be a hassle but the pain from not going is much worse. :)

Yeah, I'm paying the bill now for not going the last 20 years..

re: #123 BatGuano

littleoldlady's last post was on the 16th. Does anyone have any information or a way to contact her? I do not want to intrude on her private life but I am concerned.

I think she said she was taking a break and was concerned about not feeding the animals while she was out.

128 BatGuano  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 2:17:12am

re: #125 Gus 802
Wilber force

129 opnion  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 2:19:39am

re: #122 UncleRancher

Dental... I'm in the middle of a whole series of visits to the chair or torture. Two crowns and a filling so far, and about 3 or 4 visits to go. They do have some impressive new materials in the form of composite and adhesives these days.

I had a dentist refer me to an Oral Surgeon after she took X rays.
He told me that I needed Oral Surgery & bone grafts in all four quarants.
My dental plan didn't pay for a 2nd opinion, so I got one out of pocket.
I didn't need any of that. BTW the Oral Surgeon was the dentists former dental school instructor.

130 UncleRancher  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 2:19:55am

re: #128 BatGuano

The Little House of Horrors, original. That was Jack Nicholson's first movie.

131 Gus  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 2:20:17am

re: #128 BatGuano

Wilber force


[Video]

That's funny. Never saw that movie.

132 Joshua Cohen  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 2:20:50am

Oh these Swedish people - harvesting the organs of the poor palestinians...WTF?

Yeah sure and we poisoned the water hole, kill little children to use their blood to make Pessach matzos...and worse.


That shit happen if you let antisemites prevail.
Same shit - different times.

133 BatGuano  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 2:21:40am

re: #130 UncleRancher

Yes it was.
/Whatever happened to him?

134 BatGuano  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 2:23:14am

re: #131 Gus 802

That's funny. Never saw that movie.

I have it on dvd. I also saw it on tv when I was 9.

135 UncleRancher  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 2:24:49am

Whatever happened to Jack Nicholson? I believe his latest movie was "The Bucket List"

136 UncleRancher  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 2:25:40am

re: #134 BatGuano

I have it on dvd. I also saw it on tv when I was 9.

I've got the DVD also. I think I paid a quarter for it at a garage sale.

137 Gus  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 2:29:01am

Have a good morning folks.

138 BatGuano  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 2:29:55am

re: #137 Gus 802

G'night Gus.

139 BatGuano  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 2:31:23am

re: #127 UncleRancher

I think she said she was taking a break and was concerned about not feeding the animals while she was out.

Thank you. I didn't hear that.

140 yochanan  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 2:34:12am

reports that the chicago crime rate dropped last monday as it was the day chicagostan's city gov't was closed.

141 opnion  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 2:39:30am

re: #140 yochanan

reports that the chicago crime rate dropped last monday as it was the day chicagostan's city gov't was closed.

I am sure that Richie Daley just closed the deal for the 2016 Olympics.
They must feel very secure that Chicago can meet it's financial obligations.
Nothing proves that more than shutting down City services, because you can't make payroll.

142 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 2:39:51am

re: #140 yochanan

reports that the chicago crime rate dropped last monday as it was the day chicagostan's city gov't was closed.

Usually we get a headline saying how 12 or so people were killed in a 24 hour span. Not in the last few weeks. Guess even the thugs are taking a break.

143 BatGuano  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 2:40:05am

Good night, Ice, goodnight all, goodnight Mrs. Kalabash wherever you are.

144 yochanan  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 2:41:50am

re: #142 Cannadian Club Akbar

either that or there just isn't anything left for them to steal.

145 Millicent Islam  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 2:42:47am

re: #143 BatGuano

Good night, Ice, goodnight all, goodnight Mrs. Kalabash wherever you are.


[Video]

Bye Bat-Man. :) Be well.

146 UncleRancher  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 2:43:55am

I recall a strike in California against the hospitals there. Death rate went way down while that was going on.

147 UncleRancher  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 2:44:33am

Sleep well, Bat Man.

148 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 2:45:02am

Do Pro Bowlers ever strike?

149 opnion  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 2:48:05am

re: #146 UncleRancher

I recall a strike in California against the hospitals there. Death rate went way down while that was going on.

THe HEREIU Union has been on strike against the Congress Hotel in Chicago for six years. Obama as a Candidate even hit the picket line.
After six years mybe you lower your demands to get back to work.

150 opnion  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 2:49:23am

re: #148 Cannadian Club Akbar

Do Pro Bowlers ever strike?

Can't spare the time.

151 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 2:49:59am

re: #150 opnion

Can't spare the time.

They could split it.

152 yochanan  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 2:53:15am

re: #151 Cannadian Club Akbar

well the do polish their balls

153 opnion  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 2:54:09am

re: #151 Cannadian Club Akbar

They could split it.

They don't want to get down in the gutter.

154 itellu3times  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 2:55:16am

Hello night lizards!

Hey midnight Charles, getting an "invalid certificate" warning from amazon, "name does not match site".

155 UncleRancher  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 3:03:45am

re: #154 itellu3times

Hello night lizards!

Hey midnight Charles, getting an "invalid certificate" warning from amazon, "name does not match site".

I'm not seeing a problem here.

156 opnion  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 3:10:15am

At his Town Hall, Bawney Fwank,( slurp, spit drool) takked down to his constituents. He actually said ," Medicare is not bankwupt, (slurp, spit drool), it just need mo money."

157 Millicent Islam  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 3:15:24am

re: #156 opnion

At his Town Hall, Bawney Fwank,( slurp, spit drool) takked down to his constituents. He actually said ," Medicare is not bankwupt, (slurp, spit drool), it just need mo money."

Haven't seen that, but there is an awesome video making the rounds of Frank destroying some lunatic townhall protestor who is calling Obama a Nazi:

(apologies if this has already been posted)

158 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 3:17:24am

re: #157 iceweasel

She seems stable.

159 opnion  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 3:20:14am

re: #157 iceweasel

Haven't seen that, but there is an awesome video making the rounds of Frank destroying some lunatic townhall protestor who is calling Obama a Nazi:



(apologies if this has already been posted)


That clip was actually on TV. If the woman would have skipped the Hitler picture she might have had a point. With that though, you just tune her out.
I would love Frank & Dodd under oath explaining their roll in the mortgage crisis.

160 Millicent Islam  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 3:22:10am

re: #158 Cannadian Club Akbar

She seems stable.

Yeah, scary stuff. I did like the line "Ma'am, trying to have a conversation with you is like talking to a dining room table". Frank does occasionally have a way with words, I must say.

161 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 3:22:24am

re: #159 opnion

That clip was actually on TV. If the woman would have skipped the Hitler picture she might have had a point. With that though, you just tune her out.
I would love Frank & Dodd under oath explaining their roll in the mortgage crisis.

Wouldn't congress have to vote for them to answer questions under oath?

162 opnion  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 3:24:31am

re: #161 Cannadian Club Akbar

Wouldn't congress have to vote for them to answer questions under oath?

I think that's right. They would have to call for hearings & take their testimony under oath. Never happen, with Dems in control.

163 MandyManners  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 3:25:13am

I saw something utterly disgusting a few minutes ago. A delegate of Barney Franks was getting into audience members' faces and yelling. He was bending down to the seated people and waving some papers around, yelling.

164 Millicent Islam  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 3:29:50am

Awesome. I think this study got a grant from the University for the Study of the Incredibly Obvious:


Twitter tweets are 40% 'babble'

A short-term study of Twitter has found that 40% of the messages sent via it are "pointless babble."

Carried out by US market research firm Pear Analytics, the study aimed to produce a snapshot of what people do with the service.

Almost as prevalent as the babble were "conversational" tweets that used it as a surrogate instant messaging system.

The study found that only 8.7% of messages could be said to have "value" as they passed along news of interest.

165 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 3:31:01am

re: #164 iceweasel

I am eating Corn Flakes right now.

166 Millicent Islam  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 3:34:09am

re: #165 Cannadian Club Akbar

I am eating Corn Flakes right now.

CornFlakes and FrootLoops: new political parties coming soon!

167 MandyManners  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 3:34:11am

Spicoli is getting a divorce?!

168 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 3:35:19am

re: #166 iceweasel

CornFlakes and FrootLoops: new political parties coming soon!

Already here.

169 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 3:38:29am

re: #167 MandyManners

Spicoli is getting a divorce?!

If she kicks him out of the house, he can move in with Hugo the Midget.

170 MandyManners  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 3:43:49am

re: #169 Cannadian Club Akbar

If she kicks him out of the house, he can move in with Hugo the Midget.

I posted Hagar's theme song from Fast Times... the other day in honor of his 49th birthday. The folks on Fox said this the third time divorce papers have been filed.

171 opnion  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 3:44:27am

re: #163 MandyManners

I saw something utterly disgusting a few minutes ago. A delegate of Barney Franks was getting into audience members' faces and yelling. He was bending down to the seated people and waving some papers around, yelling.


Yeah, that ws on TV. These people are so arrogant.
Frank did not like the etiquette of the people.
Barney himself is very rude & a name caller.

172 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 3:44:35am

re: #170 MandyManners

I posted Hagar's theme song from Fast Times... the other day in honor of his 49th birthday. The folks on Fox said this the third time divorce papers have been filed.

Hagar? Sammy?

173 MandyManners  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 3:45:54am

re: #171 opnion

Yeah, that ws on TV. These people are so arrogant.
Frank did not like the etiquette of the people.
Barney himself is very rude & a name caller.

If one of his constituents had acted that way, it would be all over the news about how rude, ignorant and irrational she is.

174 Lucius Septimius  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 3:47:08am

re: #173 MandyManners

It's rude, ignorant and irrational to argue with Barney. Just ask all those little kids. And Baby Bop.

175 MandyManners  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 3:47:51am

re: #172 Cannadian Club Akbar

Hagar? Sammy?

Yeah.


176 MandyManners  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 3:49:02am

re: #174 Lucius Septimius

It's rude, ignorant and irrational to argue with Barney. Just ask all those little kids. And Baby Bop.

Oh, you.


177 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 3:49:23am

re: #175 MandyManners

Yeah.



Wow. I saw him for the first time when I was 15.

178 opnion  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 3:51:24am

re: #167 MandyManners

Spicoli is getting a divorce?!

It's the 3rd time that Pricess Buttercup has filed.

179 Lucius Septimius  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 3:51:55am

re: #176 MandyManners

Oh, you.

[Video]

Yeah me.

How are you doing this morning?

180 opnion  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 3:52:41am

re: #173 MandyManners

If one of his constituents had acted that way, it would be all over the news about how rude, ignorant and irrational she is.

Yup, they would be called un-American, space alien ,Nazis.

181 opnion  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 3:54:30am

See ya later,I'm off to bore 40 people.

182 Lucius Septimius  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 3:54:41am

re: #180 opnion

Yup, they would be called un-American, space alien ,Nazis.

Hey -- watch it with the space-alien bashing. That cuts a bit close to the quick for some of us.

183 MandyManners  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 3:54:51am

re: #177 Cannadian Club Akbar

Wow. I saw him for the first time when I was 15.

My favorite.

184 MandyManners  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 3:56:05am

re: #178 opnion

It's the 3rd time that Pricess Buttercup has filed.

Only she failed?

185 MandyManners  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 3:56:53am

re: #179 Lucius Septimius

Yeah me.

How are you doing this morning?

I'm respirating, conscious and erect. How're you?

186 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 3:57:08am

re: #183 MandyManners

My favorite.



My fav.

187 MandyManners  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 3:57:43am

re: #180 opnion

Yup, they would be called un-American, space alien ,Nazis.

Have you seen the clip of Pelosi saying that she likes disruptions?

188 MandyManners  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 3:57:53am

re: #184 MandyManners

Only she failed?

FILED.

189 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 3:57:57am

re: #185 MandyManners

I'm respirating, conscious and erect. How're you?

If I said that you would whack me. Not fair.

190 MandyManners  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 3:59:05am

re: #181 opnion

See ya later,I'm off to bore 40 people.

Dagnabit.

I'll post it any way.


191 Lucius Septimius  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 4:02:02am

re: #185 MandyManners

I'm respirating, conscious and erect. How're you?

The first two apply; the third requires more effort than it used to.

192 MandyManners  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 4:02:29am
193 MandyManners  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 4:03:10am

re: #189 Cannadian Club Akbar

If I said that you would whack me. Not fair.

Wood not.

194 MandyManners  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 4:04:16am

Dick head Franks chatises constituents for "yelling" but, he yells, too, and allows his delegate to act far, far worse than they did.

195 MandyManners  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 4:04:55am

re: #191 Lucius Septimius

The first two apply; the third requires more effort than it used to.

They make meds for that nowadays.

196 MandyManners  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 4:05:48am

re: #193 MandyManners

Wood not.

Paging Dr. Freud.

197 DrNaughty  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 4:07:38am

I've lived under 11 Presidents (since Ike), and only Obama glorifies in demonizing people or entities to push his policies.

The other 11 Presidents acted Presidential. This clown is simply a salesman.

198 MandyManners  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 4:07:44am

Now Waxman and another critter are demanding that executives of insurance companies give up information about their pay.

Let's demonize another private sector.

199 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 4:07:51am

This is badass...

200 Lucius Septimius  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 4:08:14am

re: #195 MandyManners

They make meds for that nowadays.

And they're damned expensive too. No wonder the ads run at the same time as all the ones for "where to dump your portfolio now that the economy is in the tank and you still have to provide the trophy wife with shopping money whilst paying alimony to the two exes."

201 MandyManners  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 4:10:14am

re: #200 Lucius Septimius

And they're damned expensive too. No wonder the ads run at the same time as all the ones for "where to dump your portfolio now that the economy is in the tank and you still have to provide the trophy wife with shopping money whilst paying alimony to the two exes."

A man with a trophy might just deserve to pay alimony to the one(s) he dumped.

202 MandyManners  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 4:11:10am

NO SAND IN MY SHORTS THIS EARLY.

203 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 4:11:44am
This country has come to feel the same when Congress is in session as when the baby gets hold of a hammer.

"Give a child a hammer and the whole world becomes a nail."
-Tommy Smothers

204 Lucius Septimius  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 4:12:08am

re: #201 MandyManners

A man with a trophy might just deserve to pay alimony to the one(s) he dumped.

Well sure. But that's an expensive lifestyle to maintain, especially in this market.

205 DrNaughty  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 4:13:07am

re: #204 Lucius Septimius

Well sure. But that's an expensive lifestyle to maintain, especially in this market.

Especially since trophys usually are expensive to keep and maintain

206 Lucius Septimius  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 4:13:42am

re: #205 DrNaughty

Especially since trophys usually are expensive to keep and maintain

They need to be buffed down regularly, I understand, to keep their shine.

207 MandyManners  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 4:13:46am

re: #203 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

"Give a child a hammer and the whole world becomes a nail."
-Tommy Smothers

Would it hammer in the morning?Your text to link...

208 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 4:13:48am

re: #197 DrNaughty

Funny you should say that. I thought that Reagan was a great combination of Salesperson/Statesman.

He re-sold America to America.

And being a "Salesperson" is not necessarily a bad thing.

Ahem.

209 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 4:13:56am

Nice job, AARP.
[Link: www.usatoday.com...]

210 MandyManners  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 4:14:37am

re: #204 Lucius Septimius

Well sure. But that's an expensive lifestyle to maintain, especially in this market.

Shoulda' thought about that before he stuck his wahoo where it didn't belong.

211 DrNaughty  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 4:15:32am

re: #208 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Funny you should say that. I thought that Reagan was a great combination of Salesperson/Statesman.

He re-sold America to America.

And being a "Salesperson" is not necessarily a bad thing.

Ahem.

While Obama sells snake oil.

212 MandyManners  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 4:17:02am

re: #209 Cannadian Club Akbar

Nice job, AARP.
[Link: www.usatoday.com...]

Sixty thousand out of 40,000,000 isn't many at all.

213 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 4:17:19am

re: #211 DrNaughty

While Obama sells snake oil.

Well. I don't disagree with that...

214 DrNaughty  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 4:17:59am

re: #212 MandyManners

Sixty thousand out of 40,000,000 isn't many at all.

I wonder how many leave each month due to end of life conditions?

215 Lucius Septimius  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 4:18:44am

re: #210 MandyManners

Shoulda' thought about that before he stuck his wahoo where it didn't belong.

Damn straight -- you need to be mighty careful hauling in your wahoo.

216 Lucius Septimius  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 4:21:09am

Saw this in the letters section of the WSJ today:


After reading Daniel Henninger's "Will They Still Love Him Tomorrow?" (Wonder Land, Aug. 13), I cannot shake from my head the following lyric from Katy Perry's current hit, "Waking Up in Vegas": "And why, why am I wearing your class ring?" The lyric says it all about America's drunken, impulsive marriage to President Obama.

That last part nails it.

217 MandyManners  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 4:21:21am

re: #214 DrNaughty

I wonder how many leave each month due to end of life conditions?

Do you mean death?

218 MandyManners  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 4:22:15am

re: #215 Lucius Septimius

Damn straight -- you need to be mighty careful hauling in your wahoo.

Poor sea kitteh.

219 DrNaughty  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 4:24:24am

re: #213 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Well. I don't disagree with that...

I thought about what you wrote. I wonder how Reagan would have used the internet?

Reagan had a product that most people wanted to buy into. Freedom, pride in being American and the fact that the United States was the torch of liberty those under Communism could look to.

Obama sells government control of people's lives, and that we apologize for being the leader of the Western Democracies and believing in foreign policies that promote economic and political freedom throughout the world.

Come to think of it I don't believe I've ever heard Obama use the words "freedom" or "liberty" in any of his daily pronouncements he makes on television every single day...

220 DrNaughty  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 4:24:40am

re: #217 MandyManners

Do you mean death?

Obamaspeak

221 laZardo  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 4:26:08am

Good evening, Reptilia.

Remember "The Whole Foods Alternative to national health care?"

The company's paying dearly for it.

222 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 4:26:40am

re: #219 DrNaughty

Come to think of it I don't believe I've ever heard Obama use the words "freedom" or "liberty" in any of his daily pronouncements he makes on television every single day...

Freedom? Liberty? That's sooo "Once, America"...

223 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 4:26:45am

re: #219 DrNaughty

Reagans inagural speech in '81 was awesome. Zero's speech was shit. I thnk Zero wrote his own.

224 laZardo  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 4:27:49am

re: #222 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Freedom? Liberty? That's sooo "Once, America"... last Administration.

And you don't want to remember the last administration, do you?

/ q:

225 DrNaughty  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 4:27:52am

re: #215 Lucius Septimius

Damn straight -- you need to be mighty careful hauling in your wahoo.

Mark Sandord makes me ashamed to admit I have my college degrees from The University of South Carolina.

Columbia was one of the better places I've lived over the years.. I look forwards when I get a chance to go back to USE and visit from time to time...

226 Lucius Septimius  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 4:29:46am

re: #220 DrNaughty

Obamaspeak

Maybe they can call it "the Carousel Ceremony" where they decide who will "Renew." That would sound better.

227 Pullus Iulius  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 4:30:13am

re: #210 MandyManners

Shoulda' thought about that before he stuck his wahoo where it didn't belong.


(Pretty much to the tune of Auld Lang Syne)

That good old song of Wah-hoo-wah,
We 'll sing it o 'er and o 'er.
It cheers our hearts and warms our blood
To hear them shout and roar.
We come from Old Virginia,
Where all is bright and gay.
Let's all join hands and give a yell,
For the dear old UVa.
Wah-hoo-wah,
Wah-hoo-wah.
Uni-v, Virginia,
Hoo-rah-ray,
Hoo-rah-ray,
Ray! Ray! U-V-A!

Careful: Side effects may include headaches, dry mouth, pregnancy and bad football.

228 MandyManners  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 4:30:44am

re: #219 DrNaughty

I thought about what you wrote. I wonder how Reagan would have used the internet?

Reagan had a product that most people wanted to buy into. Freedom, pride in being American and the fact that the United States was the torch of liberty those under Communism could look to.

Obama sells government control of people's lives, and that we apologize for being the leader of the Western Democracies and believing in foreign policies that promote economic and political freedom throughout the world.

Come to think of it I don't believe I've ever heard Obama use the words "freedom" or "liberty" in any of his daily pronouncements he makes on television every single day...

He's a believer in positive liberty which is diametrically opposed to the negative liberty upon which this nation was founded.

[Link: www.americanthinker.com...]

229 DrNaughty  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 4:31:12am

re: #226 Lucius Septimius

Maybe they can call it "the Carousel Ceremony" where they decide who will "Renew." That would sound better.

I can see the life crystals being mandated already

230 Lucius Septimius  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 4:32:50am

re: #221 laZardo

Good evening, Reptilia.

Remember "The Whole Foods Alternative to national health care?"

The company's paying dearly for it.

The Wall Street Journal had a piece about this yesterday; the boycott is totally absurd and probably a carry-over from people being pissed about his union stance. In any event, once the summer produce stands close, will all the organic and boutique-food junkies really go back to shopping at Ingles?

231 Millicent Islam  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 4:32:59am

re: #219 DrNaughty


Come to think of it I don't believe I've ever heard Obama use the words "freedom" or "liberty" in any of his daily pronouncements he makes on television every single day...

Bollocks. The worst kind of claptrap.

3 mentions of freedom and 2 of liberty in just his inaugural address.

I'm sure the words are liberally (heh) sprinkled throughout his many speeches. Why? Because all politicians do that. Criticise him on actions, not rhetoric.

If he used the words more, no doubt you'd complain about that too.

232 MandyManners  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 4:33:59am

re: #228 MandyManners

He's a believer in positive liberty which is diametrically opposed to the negative liberty upon which this nation was founded.

[Link: www.americanthinker.com...]

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

NPR clip from 2001.

But the Supreme Court never ventured into the issues of redistribution of wealth and sort of more basic issues of political and economic justice in this society. And to that extent as radical as people tried to characterize the Warren court, it wasn’t that radical. It didn’t break free from the essential constraints that were placed by the founding fathers in the Constitution, at least as it’s been interpreted, and the Warren court interpreted it in the same way that generally the Constitution is a charter of negative liberties. It says what the states can’t do to you, it says what the federal government can’t do to you, but it doesn’t say what the federal government or the state government must do on your behalf. And that hasn’t shifted. One of the I think tragedies of the civil rights movement was because the civil rights movement became so court focused, I think that there was a tendency to lose track of the political and community organizing and activities on the ground that are able to put together the actual coalitions of power through which you bring about redistributed change and in some ways we still suffer from that.

[Link: socialize.morningstar.com...]

233 DrNaughty  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 4:34:30am

re: #231 iceweasel

Bollocks. The worst kind of claptrap.

3 mentions of freedom and 2 of liberty in just his inaugural address.

I'm sure the words are liberally (heh) sprinkled throughout his many speeches. Why? Because all politicians do that. Criticise him on actions, not rhetoric.

If he used the words more, no doubt you'd complain about that too.

If Obama believed in freedom and liberty he wouldn't pursue the policies he sells.

234 laZardo  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 4:35:17am

re: #229 DrNaughty

I can see the life crystals being mandated already

America must catch up with the rest of the world in constructing additional pylons.

/gamer mode :B

235 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 4:35:30am

re: #231 iceweasel


If he used the words more, no doubt you'd complain about that too.

Mornin' Baby!

You're probably right... Cause I just don't trust the guy. I'd like to trust the guy, I just don't trust the guy.

236 Millicent Islam  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 4:35:36am

re: #233 DrNaughty

If Obama believed in freedom and liberty he wouldn't pursue the policies he sells.

That's better. At least, it's the beginning of a proper objection.

237 DrNaughty  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 4:35:48am

JFK must be turning in his grave these days..

"Ask not what yoru country can do for you. Ask what you can do for your country..."...

238 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 4:36:15am

re: #236 iceweasel

I like you though.

239 MandyManners  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 4:36:39am

I cannot find the clip in which FCBBHO says that the Constitution is flawed but, I have it somewhere. Hold on.

240 laZardo  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 4:37:12am

re: #230 Lucius Septimius

I suspect they'll come crawling back when the heat's cooled off a bit. Someone's gotta sell those kind of crops to them.

241 Millicent Islam  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 4:37:48am

re: #235 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Mornin' Baby!

You're probably right... Cause I just don't trust the guy. I'd like to trust the guy, I just don't trust the guy.

Hey you sexy bastard. ;)

Understandable enough. BTW, I'd criticise the hell out of him myself, as you know, on several issues involving freedom and liberty.

In many respects Obama is worse for civil liberties than Bush/Cheney. And there are many on the left who would agree with me on that.

How are you today?

242 Lucius Septimius  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 4:40:20am

re: #240 laZardo

What's bizarre (or, maybe not so bizarre) is that his proposal was measured, thoughtful, and entirely reasonable. Perhaps that was the problem.

243 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 4:40:41am

re: #241 iceweasel

The back still hurts, the face is scabbed up, but I sold 20,000.00 worth of stuff yesterday. So? Doing great!

"I'm thuper! Thankth for athking!"

244 Lucius Septimius  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 4:40:55am

Off to the races; have fun kids.

245 Bloodnok  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 4:41:35am

re: #243 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

The back still hurts, the face is scabbed up, but I sold 20,000.00 worth of stuff yesterday. So? Doing great!

"I'm thuper! Thankth for athking!"

Good to hear!

246 DrNaughty  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 4:41:58am

re: #243 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

The back still hurts, the face is scabbed up, but I sold 20,000.00 worth of stuff yesterday. So? Doing great!

"I'm thuper! Thankth for athking!"

Outstanding !

247 laZardo  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 4:42:17am

re: #244 Lucius Septimius

Cheers.

248 Millicent Islam  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 4:42:35am

re: #243 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

The back still hurts, the face is scabbed up, but I sold 20,000.00 worth of stuff yesterday. So? Doing great!

"I'm thuper! Thankth for athking!"

Wow! That's great! (not the back still hurting, but the sales!)

And I love you even more than ever for the SP reference.

{FBV}

249 MandyManners  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 4:42:43am

re: #239 MandyManners

I cannot find the clip in which FCBBHO says that the Constitution is flawed but, I have it somewhere. Hold on.

Oh, I give up.

250 laZardo  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 4:43:15am

re: #242 Lucius Septimius

What's bizarre (or, maybe not so bizarre) is that his proposal was measured, thoughtful, and entirely reasonable. Perhaps that was the problem.

Nah, he was a corporate CEO. That makes his opinions on the system detrimental and invalid by default of "system ownership."

251 MandyManners  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 4:44:27am
252 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 4:45:14am

re: #249 MandyManners

Oh, I give up.

Not live footage.

253 MandyManners  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 4:47:04am

re: #252 Cannadian Club Akbar

Not live footage.

Youtube Video

Oh, my stars! I've never seen that before.

254 MandyManners  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 4:47:38am

Reid calls citizens who question him over health insurance "evil mongers".

255 thedopefishlives  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 4:47:49am

re: #253 MandyManners

Morning Mandy. Of course, we've all seen the picture of the lady working the Obama campaign desk with the picture of Che over her shoulder, right?

256 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 4:48:03am

re: #253 MandyManners

Oh, my stars! I've never seen that before.

IIRC, he has talked about remaking America.

257 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 4:49:22am

re: #255 thedopefishlives

Yesterday, I saw an ad for a Che Guevera T-shirt with a picture of Che Guevera wearing a Che Guevera T-shirt.

258 thedopefishlives  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 4:50:16am

re: #257 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Yesterday, I saw an ad for a Che Guevera T-shirt with a picture of Che Guevera wearing a Che Guevera T-shirt.

Bonus points for managing to use Che Guevera three times in one sentence.

259 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 4:50:34am

re: #257 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Now... you try to use Che Guevera three times in a sentence.

260 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 4:50:58am

re: #258 thedopefishlives

Bonus points for managing to use Che Guevera three times in one sentence.

GMTA

261 thedopefishlives  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 4:51:47am

re: #259 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Now... you try to use Che Guevera three times in a sentence.

Are you kidding? I have a hard enough time just saying his name ONCE. Yuck.

262 midwestgak  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 4:53:32am

re: #249 MandyManners

Oh, I give up.

Morning Mandy. Google "Obama says constitution is flawed." You Tube. I'ld post it if I knew how.

263 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 4:54:16am

re: #255 thedopefishlives

Morning Mandy. Of course, we've all seen the picture of the lady working the Obama campaign desk with the picture of Che over her shoulder, right?

264 laZardo  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 4:54:51am

re: #257 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

So I was waiting for the light rail one night when this out-of-towner guy asks me if "this is the train for [part of city where he was going]." I told him that the train he wanted was on the other platform.

So the guy then jumps the track. Guards catch him on the other platform, and the guard on my platform asks me a few questions. He lets me go on my merry way after I tell him I don't know the guy.

I found it ironic that he was wearing a Che Guevara t-shirt, mine was this USA t-shirt with an Air Force roundel that I've had for a while. Huh.

265 reine.de.tout  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 4:55:16am

re: #239 MandyManners

I cannot find the clip in which FCBBHO says that the Constitution is flawed but, I have it somewhere. Hold on.

Is this it?

266 Flyers1974  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 4:55:34am

re: #239 MandyManners

I cannot find the clip in which FCBBHO says that the Constitution is flawed but, I have it somewhere. Hold on.

It is flawed. For example, what precisely is the "freedom" in the "freedom of speech" clause of the first amendment? Since this is impossible to define from the plain language, judges must decide - to legislate in other words. Not that there is a better alternative out there, but it is flawed.

267 [deleted]  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 4:56:21am
268 laZardo  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 4:56:58am

re: #266 Flyers1974

There would be a difference between "flawed" as in it's flexible that it can be reinterpreted to cover all the bases, and "flawed" that it can be further amended (relatively speaking?) to cover what's missing.

I think. :B

269 midwestgak  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 4:57:23am

re: #265 reine.de.tout

Morning {reine}. Please check your email.

270 reine.de.tout  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 5:00:06am

re: #269 midwestgak

Morning {reine}. Please check your email.

Morning' {gak}
Nothing there . . .

271 Millicent Islam  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 5:00:11am

re: #259 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Now... you try to use Che Guevera three times in a sentence.

Che sells socialist cells, down by the seashore...

272 reine.de.tout  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 5:00:33am

re: #270 reine.de.tout

Morning' {gak}
Nothing there . . .

nevah mind. Found it.

273 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 5:01:03am

re: #271 iceweasel

Che sells socialist cells, down by the seashore...

Che shills shells down by the seashore...

274 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 5:01:44am

re: #271 iceweasel

Che sells socialist cells, down by the seashore...

Someone posted a "Che is a D***bag" button the other day. I couldn't find it online.

275 [deleted]  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 5:02:00am
277 thedopefishlives  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 5:02:43am

re: #274 Cannadian Club Akbar

Someone posted a "Che is a D***bag" button the other day. I couldn't find it online.

I could use one of those. Living in Minnesota has a few disadvantages.

278 DrNaughty  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 5:03:24am

re: #273 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Che shills shells down by the seashore...

Che gives shells down by the seashore to the proletariat for them to use as weapons in their struggle against the bourgeoisie

279 3 wood  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 5:03:44am

Good morning.

Look for another pull back in the market today.
H-P earnings fall 19% as PC, printing sales weaken


Hewlett-Packard Co. on Tuesday said fiscal third-quarter earnings fell 19% as sales of PCs, printers and software all declined in the recession, though the results beat Wall Street's low outlook and the company offered predictions for better fourth quarter earnings than expected.

H-P (HPQ 43.05, -0.91, -2.07%) said it earned $1.6 billion, or 67 cents a share, on revenue of $27.5 billion. During the same period a year ago, H-P earned $2 billion, or 80 cents a share, on $28 billion in revenue.

280 MandyManners  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 5:04:00am

Reine, yes, it is. I couldn't find it in my links so I Googled "Constitution flawed obama".

Gotta' feed the hordes.

281 BlueCanuck  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 5:04:18am

Good morning all. Another day, another buck seventy-five.

282 Millicent Islam  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 5:04:45am

re: #273 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Che shills shells down by the seashore...

Dang. After I hit post I thought, hey I should have worked 'shill' in there!

283 Van Helsing  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 5:06:59am

Something to mull Burt Rutan on climate change
Post and run, the grind awaits.

284 3 wood  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 5:09:29am

U.S. stock index futures point lower

U.S. stock index futures fell Wednesday, pointing to a lower open for Wall Street following another in a recent string of sharp drops by Chinese shares.

Futures on the S&P 500 index fell 9 points to 980.60, while Nasdaq 100 futures dropped 18.25 points to 1,568.75. Futures on the Dow Jones Industrial Average fell 74 points.


Prepare to see a prolonged weakness in the market for a while. Also prepare to see conservatives blamed for everything, that they inherited it, it's not Obama's fault, more Palinizing and claiming that getting socialist health care is a moral issue. .

285 Bloodnok  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 5:10:28am

re: #271 iceweasel

Che sells socialist cells, down by the seashore...

I was thinking more: "Che shills chichi show-off shirts by the shitload"

286 Flyers1974  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 5:11:40am

I assume he was speaking about the constitution's recognition of slavery, the video wasn't clear. I don't see anything controversial in his remarks.

287 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 5:11:49am

re: #284 3 wood

U.S. stock index futures point lower


Prepare to see a prolonged weakness in the market for a while. Also prepare to see conservatives blamed for everything, that they inherited it, it's not Obama's fault, more Palinizing and claiming that getting socialist health care is a moral issue. .

You mean a normal MSM news cycle...

288 Millicent Islam  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 5:12:45am

re: #285 Bloodnok

I was thinking more: "Che shills chichi show-off shirts by the shitload"

Bonus points for working in 'shitload'. ;)

How are you today, beloved bloodnok?

289 [deleted]  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 5:12:52am
290 MandyManners  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 5:14:36am

re: #289 taxfreekiller

43 Drug Cartel related deaths on the Texas/Mexico border in the last 4 days. Now just random shooting at cars passing by, lady and her kids killed by random shooting on highway near border.

Keep your heads in the sand, thats working just fine uh?

I am truly surprised that FCBBHO has not gone after the Second Amendment over this.

291 [deleted]  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 5:15:21am
292 wahabicorridor  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 5:15:54am

re: #289 taxfreekiller

tfk

people have been trying to get in touch with you to give you this

You asked for some resarch and Pvt Bin Jammin came to the rescue

293 [deleted]  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 5:17:04am
294 laZardo  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 5:17:42am

re: #293 taxfreekiller

It is the Democrat Party new improved commie vote base they are allowing in, O hole lust for them, it is the way to power for the "COMMIE" Donks.

And on that note, Happy Hump Day!

295 MandyManners  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 5:17:49am

Once more into the fray.

296 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 5:18:33am

Amazing. The progressives have been complaining that all the push back they have been getting in regards to health care reform proposals, whining that it is really not grass roots, organized by big money interest and as Pelozi says, it's un-American, yet read this sentence from a Washington Post article...

"In search of new momentum, Obama plans to discuss the matter Thursday with thousands of his most loyal supporters in a nationwide "strategy call" hosted by Organizing for America, a grass-roots arm of the Democratic National Committee."

Hmmm... this "strategy call" is organized, grass roots and financed by big money.

Yet I have yet to have anyone show me all the organization and big money that is motivating the conservative protests.

Hypocrites.

297 [deleted]  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 5:18:59am
298 midwestgak  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 5:19:59am

re: #290 MandyManners

I am truly surprised that FCBBHO has not gone after the Second Amendment over this.

Could it be that his healthcare forest fire is using all his resources? All his fire fighters are busy trying to put that one out. An NRA fire would further deplete his efforts to quench it. Just a thought.

299 laZardo  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 5:21:30am

re: #296 Walter L. Newton

"Because if it's Democrats, then it actually is grassroots!"

/

300 Millicent Islam  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 5:22:00am

re: #296 Walter L. Newton

Amazing. The progressives have been complaining that all the push back they have been getting in regards to health care reform proposals, whining that it is really not grass roots, organized by big money interest and as Pelozi says, it's un-American, yet read this sentence from a Washington Post article...

"In search of new momentum, Obama plans to discuss the matter Thursday with thousands of his most loyal supporters in a nationwide "strategy call" hosted by Organizing for America, a grass-roots arm of the Democratic National Committee."

Hmmm... this "strategy call" is organized, grass roots and financed by big money.

Yet I have yet to have anyone show me all the organization and big money that is motivating the conservative protests.

'Organising for America' is actually the outgrowth of Obama's campaign network. The strategy call is with progressive bloggers, activists, etc.

There's extensive evidence about the health insurance industry funding and organising the conservative protests. This is not to say that every person showing up is a plant, or paid-- but they're ordinary people who are being manipulated, lied to, and bussed in by people with anything but an objective agenda.

301 gonecamping  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 5:23:00am

And along that analogy, I think a chimpanzee with a typewriter could have come up with a better health care bill.


re: #2 Abu Al-Poopypants

Will, a baby with a hammer is more likely to do something constructive.

302 Bloodnok  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 5:23:13am

re: #288 iceweasel

Bonus points for working in 'shitload'. ;)

How are you today, beloved bloodnok?

I'm great, guerrilla my dreams!

303 Aye Pod  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 5:23:14am

[Link: www.hurryupharry.org...]

The truth is out there?

The UK National Archives has produced a video to accompany its latest release of unclassified documents relating to UFO sightings.

I especially admire the kinetic sketches and the periodic “X-Files”-style musical refrain. It turns out the was a big spike in reported sightings when the TV series was being shown in Britain. What is there about that tune that almost makes you want to believe that crap?

Finally, does it surprise anyone that when you type “ufos” and “zionist” into Google, you get 1,400,000 hits?

304 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 5:24:30am

re: #300 iceweasel

'Organising for America' is actually the outgrowth of Obama's campaign network. The strategy call is with progressive bloggers, activists, etc.

There's extensive evidence about the health insurance industry funding and organising the conservative protests. This is not to say that every person showing up is a plant, or paid-- but they're ordinary people who are being manipulated, lied to, and bussed in by people with anything but an objective agenda.

I have been asking for links, evidence, for a week now. I'm not saying that it's not possible, in some cases I wouldn't be surprised if it wasn't.

But the general spin is that it's almost ALL organized. I want to see the scary big conservative organizations behind all this.

305 [deleted]  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 5:24:33am
306 3 wood  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 5:24:58am

re: #296 Walter L. Newton

Yet I have yet to have anyone show me all the organization and big money that is motivating the conservative protests.

Hypocrites.

It's OK when they do it Walter.

307 3 wood  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 5:26:54am

re: #300 iceweasel

but they're ordinary people who are being manipulated, lied to, and bussed in by people with anything but an objective agenda.

ACORN is bussing people to some of these meetings.

308 Millicent Islam  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 5:27:54am

re: #304 Walter L. Newton

I have been asking for links, evidence, for a week now. I'm not saying that it's not possible, in some cases I wouldn't be surprised if it wasn't.

But the general spin is that it's almost ALL organized. I want to see the scary big conservative organizations behind all this.

Ok-- I'm busy watching (and loving) this UFO link of Jimmah's. Give me a few minutes and I'll put together a bunch of links for you.

It really does look like extensive outside organisation is going on, from what I've seen.

i know freedomworks is extensively involved-- they're bad news. (links in a bit)

309 Millicent Islam  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 5:28:16am

re: #305 taxfreekiller

there are paid Obama shills posting on little green foot balls imo

Bollocks.

310 3 wood  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 5:29:46am

Buffett: Economy May Mend, But Inflation Will Wound

One part of the article was predictable. Buffett feels that rising government borrowing will eventually cause inflation. He goes through an elaborate explanation to get to that point.

Buffett’s other observation is new. After months of voicing concerns about the recession, the man considered by many to be the greatest investor in America writes “The United States economy is now out of the emergency room and appears to be on a slow path to recovery.”

The trouble is that, if Buffett is right about the future, it may look like the last 1970s. After a deep recession, caused in part by the Arab oil embargo, monetary stimulus and government spending pushed inflation into the double digits topping out in 1980 at 13.5%. It was a level not seen in decades and one which has not been seen since.

311 BlueCanuck  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 5:31:03am

re: #300 iceweasel

Ice, just a small question. How come when ever I see a conservative protest most of the signs are hand made, and when I see a liberal/democrat protest against government most of the signs are professionally done? Who's funding who?

312 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 5:31:04am

re: #308 iceweasel

Ok-- I'm busy watching (and loving) this UFO link of Jimmah's. Give me a few minutes and I'll put together a bunch of links for you.

It really does look like extensive outside organisation is going on, from what I've seen.

i know freedomworks is extensively involved-- they're bad news. (links in a bit)

Good, thanks.

I will be walking the three dogs in a bit, so, I'll get you links as soon as I can and go over them with you in a while.

313 Aye Pod  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 5:32:08am

re: #271 iceweasel

Che sells socialist cells, down by the seashore...

iceweasel! How are you this morning?

Thought this might amuse you:

[Link: news.bbc.co.uk...]

314 3 wood  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 5:32:16am

Pimco Says Dollar to Weaken as Reserve Status Erodes

Aug. 19 (Bloomberg) -- Pacific Investment Management Co., which runs the world’s biggest bond fund, said the dollar will weaken as the U.S. pumps “massive” amounts of money into the economy.

The dollar will drop the most against emerging-market counterparts, Curtis A. Mewbourne, a Pimco portfolio manager, wrote in a report on the company’s Web site. The greenback is losing its status as the world’s reserve currency, he said.

“Investors should consider whether it makes sense to take advantage of any periods of U.S. dollar strength to diversify their currency exposure,” Mewbourne wrote in his August Emerging Markets Watch report. “The massive amounts of U.S. dollar liquidity produced in response to the crisis” have helped reduce demand for the currency, he wrote.


In other words, the money market is flooded with dollars.

315 [deleted]  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 5:32:32am
316 Flyers1974  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 5:33:32am

re: #305 taxfreekiller

there are paid Obama shills posting on little green foot balls imo

Do you think he's getting his money's worth?

317 Millicent Islam  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 5:33:48am

re: #312 Walter L. Newton

Good, thanks.

I will be walking the three dogs in a bit, so, I'll get you links as soon as I can and go over them with you in a while.

Cool, I look forward to talking with you about it-- it might be later today or possibly tomorrow am, but I'll definitely put it all together for you. (Doing a few things here at the mo, I'd rather give you a good set of links and be totally up to date than give you just the two or three I could grab immediately.)

Also, watching the UFO vid!

318 Spenser (with an S)  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 5:33:56am

re: #300 iceweasel


but they're ordinary people who are being manipulated, lied to, and bussed in by people with anything but an objective agenda.

You just described 51% of the voters last Nov., IMO. Seriously.

Why is a person who receives an email or call describing a situation (whatever you and I think about it) and then thinks it over and is moved to attend a rally and express their opinion a manipulated patsy?

319 3 wood  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 5:34:17am

Folks, you have to get with the indoctrination program. When the left does extensive outside organization, it's OK.

When the right does it, it's bad news.

Got it?

320 Spenser (with an S)  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 5:35:57am

re: #319 3 wood

Got it?

Yes Sir! I will get my mind right (left?), Sir! I do not want to sound like an uneducated far-righter, Sir!

321 midwestgak  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 5:36:10am

re: #315 BXEKLT

I do not like it when government forces us to buy something. They should force us all to buy guns. That would be more constitutional than forcing us to buy health insurance.

You contradict yourself.

I do not like it when government forces us . . .

They should force us all . . .

Huh?

322 Aye Pod  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 5:36:16am

re: #305 taxfreekiller

there are paid Obama shills posting on little green foot balls imo

Image: enemylist.jpg

323 Mithrax  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 5:37:15am

re: #319 3 wood

Folks, you have to get with the indoctrination program. When the left does extensive outside organization, it's OK.

When the right does it, it's bad news.

Got it?

I am not a number!

I am a ...ooh shiny!

324 Gang of One  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 5:37:19am

re: #303 Jimmah

Finally, does it surprise anyone that when you type “ufos” and “zionist” into Google, you get 1,400,000 hits?

I googled 'zionist ufos' and got 26,200 hits. Teh Stupid is out there.
/Mornin' everyone!

325 3 wood  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 5:37:20am

Buffett Says Federal Debt Poses Risks to Economy

Aug. 19 (Bloomberg) -- The U.S. must address the massive amounts of “monetary medicine” that have been pumped into the financial system and now pose threats to the world’s largest economy and its currency, billionaire Warren Buffett said.

The “gusher of federal money” has rescued the financial system and the U.S. economy is now on a slow path to recovery, Buffett wrote in a New York Times commentary yesterday. While he applauds measures adopted by the Federal Reserve and officials from the Bush and Obama administrations, Buffett says the U.S. is fiscally in “uncharted territory.”

The government is trying to spark business and consumer spending through a $787 billion stimulus plan spanning tax cuts and infrastructure projects, while the Treasury and the Fed have spent billions more on separate programs to rescue financial institutions and resuscitate the banking system. The U.S. budget deficit is forecast to reach a record $1.841 trillion in the year that ends Sept. 30.

326 Millicent Islam  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 5:37:49am

re: #322 Jimmah

[Link: i238.photobucket.com...]

'Morning, Jimmah-cakes. ;) How are you?

I bookmarked that image the first time i saw you use it here and it still makes me laugh!

327 BlueCanuck  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 5:41:51am
328 wahabicorridor  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 5:43:05am

Fabulous fotos of the day

Divers swimming with a humpback whale

329 Millicent Islam  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 5:45:17am

re: #318 Spenser (with an S)

You just described 51% of the voters last Nov., IMO. Seriously.

This kind of demonisation, and deprecating, of the American electorate is exactly what many on the left did in 2000 and 2004 about Bush voters: Oh they're stupid, they're hicks, they're ignorant rednecks...

Seriously.
I didn't think it was cool then, and I don't now. Also, worth noting that making those kinds of excuses for having lost an election doesn't help you win the next one-- not til you start thinking that maybe you lost the election because people didn't like what the party was selling.

Why is a person who receives an email or call describing a situation (whatever you and I think about it) and then thinks it over and is moved to attend a rally and express their opinion a manipulated patsy?

When they've been lied to, they're manipulated. Witness the many seniors at these townhalls, on Medicare, raving about government healthcare.

BTW, another question: why is it that "the uhmerkin pee-pul' are considered fonts of homespun wisdom when they like Palin, or are Joe the Plumber, but are 'ignorant, deluded' and worse when they elect a progressive candidate?

Food for thought.

330 SasquatchOnSteroids  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 5:46:06am
331 kansas  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 5:46:46am

Well, I see the public option is not dead, the Dems double flip flopped, and will tell a majority of Americans to stick it. Nice.

332 Gang of One  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 5:46:56am

Just for shitzengiggles, I checked out one of the links I found. This one's got all the top meme's, including Obama=Lizard Alien.
/Un. Be. Lieve. Able.

333 laZardo  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 5:47:31am

re: #329 iceweasel

Mind, the elderly have a right to be concerned. They consistently provide some of the highest voter turnout in an election, so they have a right to know where their money's going and how badly it's bleeding out of the programs that are supposed to insure them especially since there will be a lot more elderly population as the Baby Boomers age.

334 Aye Pod  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 5:47:47am

re: #326 iceweasel

'Morning, Jimmah-cakes. ;) How are you?

Radiant, I-dub:) And you?

335 laZardo  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 5:49:31am

re: #332 Gang of One

Everyone knows Nibiru and Planet X are actually the galaxy's largest tailgating parties for the Milky Way MegaBowl's biggest rivals. So large, in fact, that they managed to get themselves exempt from the usual tailgating convoy regulations through the use of planetary matter. q;

336 kcladderman  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 5:49:32am

re: #289 taxfreekiller

43 Drug Cartel related deaths on the Texas/Mexico border in the last 4 days. Now just random shooting at cars passing by, lady and her kids killed by random shooting on highway near border.

Keep your heads in the sand, thats working just fine uh?

Don't you know they wouldn't be able to shoot innocent women and children if us evil Americans didn't have all of these guns.

337 jamgarr  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 5:50:15am

Prostate evicted a week ago today. To the office today (but probably not for long).

338 Spenser (with an S)  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 5:51:02am

re: #329 iceweasel

Hence my "IMO". Obviously, I think they were given bad info and made a mistake. I was trying to get you to look in the mirror. When you say "ordinary people who are being manipulated, lied to, and bussed in by people with anything but an objective agenda." you are being hugely subjective. You really can't see that?

339 Aye Pod  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 5:53:38am

re: #324 Gang of One

I googled 'zionist ufos' and got 26,200 hits. Teh Stupid is out there.
/Mornin' everyone!

It's out there and spreading. How do you sell 'NWO' type paranoia to the readers of right wing websites? Easy as it turns out - just make Obama the evil shape shifting reptile in chief instead of Bush, and you're there.

340 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 5:53:48am

re: #337 jamgarr

"Let angels prostate fall..."

That hymn is how we know that angels are men.

341 Mithrax  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 5:55:30am

re: #340 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

"Let angels prostate fall..."

That hymn is how we know that angels are men.

I think you mean "Prostrate" ;)

342 jamgarr  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 5:55:35am

re: #340 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

"Let angels prostate fall..."

That hymn is how we know that angels are men.


My favorite is:

You're losin' 'em
You're losin' 'em
Lift up your skirt and see
Your right hose, Anna, is the highest
The left one's fallin' down your knee

343 Sharmuta  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 5:56:36am

re: #329 iceweasel

This kind of demonisation, and deprecating, of the American electorate is exactly what many on the left did in 2000 and 2004 about Bush voters: Oh they're stupid, they're hicks, they're ignorant rednecks...

That's a good point, iDub. The demonization of the other side is problematic because it makes our fellow Americans enemies. They don't want to destroy America, they just have different ideas (which are wrong!:p ).

344 Gang of One  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 5:57:00am

re: #339 Jimmah

It's out there and spreading. How do you sell 'NWO' type paranoia to the readers of right wing websites? Easy as it turns out - just make Obama the evil shape shifting reptile in chief instead of Bush, and you're there.

We will have to read this book to know our enemy.
/It scares me. It really does.

345 Killian Bundy  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 5:57:52am

David Axelrod's ties targeted in health fight

Critics of President Obama’s health-care overhaul are zeroing in on his senior adviser David Axelrod, whose former partners at a Chicago-based firm are the beneficiaries of huge ad buys—now at $24 million and counting—by White House allies in the reform fight.

The unwelcome scrutiny, largely from Republicans, comes at an inopportune time as Obama seeks to shore up support for health care reform. It revolves around two separate $12 million ad campaigns advocating Obama’s health care plan that were produced and placed partly by AKPD Message and Media, a firm founded by Axelrod that employs his son and still owes Axelrod $2 million.

The Chicago way, now isn't that cozy?

/Karl Rove would have a special prosecutor on his ass for something like this

346 Leonidas Hoplite  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 5:58:13am

re: #325 3 wood

Buffett Says Federal Debt Poses Risks to Economy

Heh. Who was it that the Sage of Omaha endorsed for President?

347 Aye Pod  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 5:58:14am

re: #326 iceweasel


I bookmarked that image the first time i saw you use it here and it still makes me laugh!

Here's another from the same artist:

Image: stalinmech.jpg

348 reine.de.tout  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 5:58:30am

re: #338 Spenser (with an S)

Hence my "IMO". Obviously, I think they were given bad info and made a mistake. I was trying to get you to look in the mirror. When you say "ordinary people who are being manipulated, lied to, and bussed in by people with anything but an objective agenda." you are being hugely subjective. You really can't see that?

Neither those who are pro government healthcare nor those who are against governmental health care have an "objective" agenda. I just keep wondering why the "agenda" suspect only when a person is anti-government healthcare?

Whether or not there is a specific point that has been misunderstood ("death" panels), the fact is that this sweeping overhaul and change of our system is not good for this country, imo. People focus on the specific points because they are unable to comprehend and fight the entire 1,000 pages of change.

349 SurferDoc  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 5:58:38am

re: #337 jamgarr

Prostate evicted a week ago today. To the office today (but probably not for long).

Good luck and speedy recovery!

350 Millicent Islam  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 5:59:17am

re: #338 Spenser (with an S)

When you say "ordinary people who are being manipulated, lied to, and bussed in by people with anything but an objective agenda." you are being hugely subjective. You really can't see that?

No, I disagree. I hate doing this because it's kind of unfair-- I don't (at this second) have the time to put together all the links I'd like to document the astroturfing going on, and I don't like only throwing out a couple of links. But here's a fast one.

I mentioned freedomworks as one of the places heavily involved--- check out this guy too, Rick Scott, founder of the "Conservatives for Patient's Rights". Sounds innocuous right? Not so:

CNN’s Rick Sanchez ripped into Conservatives for Patients’ Rights founder Rick Scott today over his anti-health care reform advocacy efforts. Sanchez pointed out that Hospital Corporation of America/Columbia Hospital Corporation, which Scott founded, was charged with defrauding the government for more than a decade and had to pay the government a record $1.7 billion. “Some would argue, and it would be hard to say they’re wrong,” said Sanchez, “that you would be the poster child for everything that’s wrong with the greed that has hurt our current health care system.” Scott responded by pointing out that other companies also had to pay fines, which Sanchez responded was exactly the reason health care reform was so necessary:

How much more wrong can you be than what you just said? Not only is your company screwed up — and you just admitted to it — and you’re saying, look at all the other companies, they did the same thing! That doesn’t sound to me like a sterling system that we have, does it?


CNN’s Rick Sanchez leaves Rick Scott fumbling to justify his health care corruption.

Video and more documentation at link.

BTW-- i expect political parties to get involved in getting their people out. It's when the corporations and special interests get involved under the guise of being 'independent' that I get testy.

351 jamgarr  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 5:59:53am

re: #349 SurferDoc


Thanks

352 bloodnok  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 6:02:24am

re: #343 Sharmuta

That's a good point, iDub. The demonization of the other side is problematic because it makes our fellow Americans enemies. They don't want to destroy America, they just have different ideas (which are wrong!:p ).

Good morning !

353 Sharmuta  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 6:05:55am

re: #352 bloodnok

Good morning to you!

354 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 6:06:06am

re: #341 Mithrax

oops.

355 laZardo  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 6:06:26am

re: #350 iceweasel

While Rick Scott's company practices may have been less than sterling, the point of the presentation it seems is to reaffirm to viewing audiences that the health-care companies are paying fines because on the whole deliberately (and without being "forced") defraud their patience.

By further using Rick Scott as the example of a critic they can also create the perception that any criticism of a "universal" public health-care option is also siding with the corporations.

/i think. :B

356 BlueCanuck  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 6:06:35am

re: #350 iceweasel

Good point there. Special interest groups are always suspect on both sides. I also look at unions as special interest groups as well btw. :)

357 Flyers1974  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 6:06:38am

re: #305 taxfreekiller

there are paid Obama shills posting on little green foot balls imo

Dear Mr. T. F. Killer:

Your opinion counts! In order to ensure quality, the Obama administration would appreciate if you would take the time in completing a short survey. All of your answers will remain confidential.

(1) The paid shills at LGF arrive on time:
(a) Almost always;
(b) Most of the time, but there's room for improvement;
(c) Some of the time;
(d) Almost never. They're lazy bastards.
(2) The paid shrills at at LGF Provide useful information and witty anecdotes:
(a) Almost always, they are near geniuses;
(b) Sometimes, depending on the shill;
(c) Never, they're all dumb as dirt;
(3) The paid shrills at LGF are clean and polite:
(a) Always, I'm impressed!;
(b) Sometimes. More training is required.
(c) Never. They are filthy hippies with atrocious manners.
(1) The paid shrills at LGF have convinced you to change your political views:
(a) On every issue. I now renounce the second amendment;
(b) On some issues. Maybe the decision not to bomb n. Korea was o.k.
(c) Not at all. They are all incompetent hacks. Cut their pay in half immediately.

358 Millicent Islam  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 6:07:03am

re: #343 Sharmuta

That's a good point, iDub. The demonization of the other side is problematic because it makes our fellow Americans enemies. They don't want to destroy America, they just have different ideas (which are wrong!:p ).

Sharm-Wow! good morning!

yeah, I've been thinking about this a lot. There's a tendency on both the left and right to view the other side as evil and as not acting in good faith. So you get Republicans saying that librhuls hate america and are liars, and Democrats saying that conservatives are nasty ignorant people who hate the poor (to take just two stereotypes).

What bothers me at least as much as the stereotyping is this assumption of bad faith. That is, why assume your opponent is lying? Can't we agree that conservatives and liberals both love their country, are all Americans, and want what's best for it? Conservatives aren't necessarily evil people who love war for its own sake just cos they favour strong national defence. Similarly, liberals aren't America hating traitors.

That's the kind of polarisation that really gets me down.

359 Bloodnok  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 6:08:20am

re: #353 Sharmuta

Good morning to you!



Would you like me more if I had lime green pants like George has? (and who says I don't already have them...)

360 Millicent Islam  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 6:09:09am

re: #356 BlueCanuck

Good point there. Special interest groups are always suspect on both sides. I also look at unions as special interest groups as well btw. :)

Hey BC. :) Believe it or not, I had the union example in the back of my head too. i reckoned someone would bring it up soon!

361 Spenser (with an S)  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 6:09:23am

re: #350 iceweasel

BTW-- i expect political parties to get involved in getting their people out. It's when the corporations and special interests get involved under the guise of being 'independent' that I get testy.

Well, I see you've just been a member since this spring but with that reasonable approach I'm sure you would have been posting outrage at all the ACORN and union and Soros, etc.. $, manipulation and bussing that went on prior to the election in Nov., right? Let's just say I'm a tad skeptical but I won't go farther than that in fairness to you.

BTW, I just noticed that your karma is crazy good compared to mine. This is a very fair-minded site.

362 albusteve  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 6:10:17am

more executive slime mongering...Axelrod the drug whore

[Link: hughhewitt.townhall.com...]

363 lincolntf  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 6:10:41am

Morning all.

Remember the "Old" Black Panthers? This guy, Nelson Malloy, has been on my new City's Council for a couple decades. I did not know that. Colorful past, one might say.

364 Sharmuta  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 6:10:51am

re: #359 Bloodnok

Would you like me more if I had lime green pants like George has? (and who says I don't already have them...)

No- I would just steal the pants for my own rooftop concert. :p

365 BlueCanuck  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 6:11:47am

re: #361 Spenser (with an S)

Well you have to admit Iceweasel is feisty, almost always backs up her points, makes funny and fun comments. Otherwise just like a regular poster here overall. We just don't have to agree all the time.

366 Leonidas Hoplite  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 6:11:56am

re: #356 BlueCanuck

Good point there. Special interest groups are always suspect on both sides. I also look at unions as special interest groups as well btw. :)

Don't forget the trial lawyers.

367 Bloodnok  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 6:12:01am

re: #358 iceweasel

Sharm-Wow! good morning!

yeah, I've been thinking about this a lot. There's a tendency on both the left and right to view the other side as evil and as not acting in good faith. So you get Republicans saying that librhuls hate america and are liars, and Democrats saying that conservatives are nasty ignorant people who hate the poor (to take just two stereotypes).

What bothers me at least as much as the stereotyping is this assumption of bad faith. That is, why assume your opponent is lying? Can't we agree that conservatives and liberals both love their country, are all Americans, and want what's best for it? Conservatives aren't necessarily evil people who love war for its own sake just cos they favour strong national defence. Similarly, liberals aren't America hating traitors.

That's the kind of polarisation that really gets me down.

These are the things that need to be discussed further. It's a threadworthy topic, IMO.

368 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 6:13:31am

Okay, check the Drudge headline.

369 Spenser (with an S)  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 6:14:58am

re: #365 BlueCanuck

Well you have to admit Iceweasel is feisty, almost always backs up her points, makes funny and fun comments. Otherwise just like a regular poster here overall. We just don't have to agree all the time.

I do admit it (with the slight emphasis above).

/

370 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 6:15:04am

re: #368 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Okay, check the Drudge headline.

Oh, sorry. Same shit, different day.

371 Sharmuta  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 6:15:48am

re: #361 Spenser (with an S)

BTW, I just noticed that your karma is crazy good compared to mine. This is a very fair-minded site.

Reine has good karma because she makes great points, tells good jokes/stories, and has a heart of gold. Reine is one of the most fair-minded folks at LGF.

And buy a cookbook, people!

372 laZardo  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 6:15:57am

re: #363 lincolntf

Morning all.

Remember the "Old" Black Panthers? This guy, Nelson Malloy, has been on my new City's Council for a couple decades. I did not know that. Colorful past, one might say.

In 1977, Malloy, who attended Winston-Salem State University, was
visiting Black Panthers out West. He ended up shot and left for dead
in a Nevada desert, a crime that has been linked to the Panthers.

Malloy has never discussed the incident publicly and declined to do
so again last week.

The result of a...disagreement?

373 Spenser (with an S)  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 6:16:05am

re: #370 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

FBV, what's that on your shirt?

/tweeks FBV's chin

374 BlueCanuck  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 6:16:26am

re: #369 Spenser (with an S)

Heh, we have all been guilty of throwing viewpoints out without backing them up with links. :)

375 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 6:16:28am

re: #371 Sharmuta

Reine has good karma because she makes great points, tells good jokes/stories, and has a heart of gold. Reine is one of the most fair-minded folks at LGF.

And buy a cookbook, people!

Well, I'm not :)

376 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 6:17:31am

re: #373 Spenser (with an S)

I always fall for that! and... it's chins!

377 Spenser (with an S)  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 6:17:57am

re: #371 Sharmuta

re: #361 Spenser (with an S)

BTW, I just noticed that your karma is crazy good compared to mine. This is a very fair-minded site.

Reine has good karma because she makes great points, tells good jokes/stories, and has a heart of gold. Reine is one of the most fair-minded folks at LGF.

And buy a cookbook, people!

I didn't reply to Reine, did I? I love Reine to death. I was talking to Ice.

And Yes, Buy Cookbooks, People!

378 lincolntf  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 6:18:13am

re: #368 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

You mean the "Go it alone, Own it" stuff I presume?
I suppose it's their best chance to get something done and save face, but the Blue Dogs, etc. still know that the polls don't lie, and the Town Halls are testament to that.
If major legislation (single payer/public option) can be put off until next year, before you know it we'll be in the middle of Congressional primary campaigns and nobody will want to touch it.

379 SurferDoc  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 6:18:22am

Nat Hentoff:

"I was not intimidated during J. Edgar Hoover's FBI hunt for reporters like me who criticized him. I railed against the Bush-Cheney war on the Bill of Rights without blinking. But now I am finally scared of a White House administration. President Obama's desired health care reform intends that a federal board (similar to the British model) — as in the Center for Health Outcomes Research and Evaluation in a current Democratic bill — decides whether your quality of life, regardless of your political party, merits government-controlled funds to keep you alive. Watch for that life-decider in the final bill. It's already in the stimulus bill signed into law.


The members of that ultimate federal board will themselves not have examined or seen the patient in question. For another example of the growing, tumultuous resistance to "Dr. Obama," particularly among seniors, there is a July 29 Washington Times editorial citing a line from a report written by a key adviser to Obama on cost-efficient health care, prominent bioethicist Dr. Ezekiel Emanuel (brother of White House Chief of Staff Rahm Emanuel).


Emanuel writes about rationing health care for older Americans that "allocation (of medical care) by age is not invidious discrimination." (The Lancet, January 2009) He calls this form of rationing — which is fundamental to Obamacare goals — "the complete lives system." You see, at 65 or older, you've had more life years than a 25-year-old. As such, the latter can be more deserving of cost-efficient health care than older folks. "

[Link: jewishworldreview.com...]

380 jill e  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 6:19:58am

I am finally afraid of a White House administration:
re: #379 SurferDoc

Nat Hentoff:

"I was not intimidated during J. Edgar Hoover's FBI hunt for reporters like me who criticized him. I railed against the Bush-Cheney war on the Bill of Rights without blinking. But now I am finally scared of a White House administration. President Obama's desired health care reform intends that a federal board (similar to the British model) — as in the Center for Health Outcomes Research and Evaluation in a current Democratic bill — decides whether your quality of life, regardless of your political party, merits government-controlled funds to keep you alive. Watch for that life-decider in the final bill. It's already in the stimulus bill signed into law.

The members of that ultimate federal board will themselves not have examined or seen the patient in question. For another example of the growing, tumultuous resistance to "Dr. Obama," particularly among seniors, there is a July 29 Washington Times editorial citing a line from a report written by a key adviser to Obama on cost-efficient health care, prominent bioethicist Dr. Ezekiel Emanuel (brother of White House Chief of Staff Rahm Emanuel).

Emanuel writes about rationing health care for older Americans that "allocation (of medical care) by age is not invidious discrimination." (The Lancet, January 2009) He calls this form of rationing — which is fundamental to Obamacare goals — "the complete lives system." You see, at 65 or older, you've had more life years than a 25-year-old. As such, the latter can be more deserving of cost-efficient health care than older folks. "

[Link: jewishworldreview.com...]


...there is a July 29 Washington Times editorial citing a line from a report written by a key adviser to Obama on cost-efficient health care, prominent bioethicist Dr. Ezekiel Emanuel (brother of White House Chief of Staff Rahm Emanuel).

Emanuel writes about rationing health care for older Americans that "allocation (of medical care) by age is not invidious discrimination." (The Lancet, January 2009) He calls this form of rationing — which is fundamental to Obamacare goals — "the complete lives system." You see, at 65 or older, you've had more life years than a 25-year-old. As such, the latter can be more deserving of cost-efficient health care than older folks.


THIS is scary!

381 Aye Pod  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 6:19:59am

re: #358 iceweasel

Sharm-Wow! good morning!

yeah, I've been thinking about this a lot. There's a tendency on both the left and right to view the other side as evil and as not acting in good faith. So you get Republicans saying that librhuls hate america and are liars, and Democrats saying that conservatives are nasty ignorant people who hate the poor (to take just two stereotypes).

What bothers me at least as much as the stereotyping is this assumption of bad faith. That is, why assume your opponent is lying? Can't we agree that conservatives and liberals both love their country, are all Americans, and want what's best for it? Conservatives aren't necessarily evil people who love war for its own sake just cos they favour strong national defence. Similarly, liberals aren't America hating traitors.

That's the kind of polarisation that really gets me down.

Absolutely! You hit the nail on the head there.

382 Desert Dog  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 6:20:09am

re: #378 lincolntf

You mean the "Go it alone, Own it" stuff I presume?
I suppose it's their best chance to get something done and save face, but the Blue Dogs, etc. still know that the polls don't lie, and the Town Halls are testament to that.
If major legislation (single payer/public option) can be put off until next year, before you know it we'll be in the middle of Congressional primary campaigns and nobody will want to touch it.

That's the rush for them...it's now or never. That is a "great" reason to change our entire medical delivery systems...political expedience.

383 Sharmuta  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 6:20:39am

re: #377 Spenser (with an S)

You're right! Not sure why I read Reine. Guess I need more coffee!

384 Leonidas Hoplite  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 6:21:15am

re: #358 iceweasel

Sharm-Wow!

This looks suspiciously like the beginning of an infomercial.

385 laZardo  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 6:21:39am

re: #382 Desert Dog

re: #380 jill e

And ensure the loyalty of my generation/contemporaries (by far outspoken on their support of universal health-care), by the sound of things.

386 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 6:21:45am

Just got back walking the dogs. One of the critters is a red heeler and about a half a mile away, further up the mountain, there is a FEMALE heeler in heat.

Our heeler has "visited" this other dogs house three times in the last two day. He has bolted over our 5 foot fence and than had to jump over their 4 foot fence, just to sit next to the sliding glass door and pine away over the female on the other side of the glass door.

I've had to drive over there and pick him up like some sort of errant teenager, and he crys all the way back home.

He's running all over the house right now, whining and pushing against closed doors.

I may let him outside later, stand on the other side of the fence line and see just where he is managing to jump over. Maybe I can find a way to make that more difficult for him.

Ah love, or is that lust.

387 Kenneth  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 6:21:49am

The Unbreakable Chain

You wake up and there's something there tugging at your sleeve.
It's not the pitter-patter of the one in your dreams.
Held on by the chain, the unbreakable chain.
Held there by the chain, the unbreakable chain

388 Sharmuta  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 6:22:20am

Beatles Rooftop Concert (in 3 parts)

389 lincolntf  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 6:22:26am

re: #372 laZardo

"He ended up shot and left for dead
in a Nevada desert, a crime that has been linked to the Panthers."

Without making light of the man's injuries, what an oddly casual sentence that is.

" ...Oooops, I ended up shot in the desert again, Honey. Can you come pick me up?..."

390 laZardo  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 6:22:44am

re: #384 Leonidas Hoplite

Vince Offer thinks he's "all dat," but Billy Mays (RIP) did not need copious amounts of precious metals welded to his teeth to be a true gangsta.

391 Coracle  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 6:24:19am

re: #380 jill e

I am finally afraid of a White House administration:


...there is a July 29 Washington Times editorial citing a line from a report written by a key adviser to Obama on cost-efficient health care, prominent bioethicist Dr. Ezekiel Emanuel (brother of White House Chief of Staff Rahm Emanuel).

Emanuel writes about rationing health care for older Americans that "allocation (of medical care) by age is not invidious discrimination." (The Lancet, January 2009) He calls this form of rationing — which is fundamental to Obamacare goals — "the complete lives system." You see, at 65 or older, you've had more life years than a 25-year-old. As such, the latter can be more deserving of cost-efficient health care than older folks.

THIS is scary!

Please show me the text in any form of the bills now under consideration where "allocation by age" or any other age-preferential rationing is documented.

392 Kenneth  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 6:24:51am

re: #386 Walter L. Newton

I don't have a dog, but I do have teenagers, so I can relate.

On the plus side, no matter how anxious they get, teenagers don't try to hump your leg.

393 reine.de.tout  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 6:24:53am

re: #371 Sharmuta

Reine has good karma because she makes great points, tells good jokes/stories, and has a heart of gold. Reine is one of the most fair-minded folks at LGF.

And buy a cookbook, people!

Well, you're sweet!
But Spenser was talking to Ice.

394 SurferDoc  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 6:25:00am

re: #386 Walter L. Newton

Just got back walking the dogs. One of the critters is a red heeler and about a half a mile away, further up the mountain, there is a FEMALE heeler in heat.

Our heeler has "visited" this other dogs house three times in the last two day. He has bolted over our 5 foot fence and than had to jump over their 4 foot fence, just to sit next to the sliding glass door and pine away over the female on the other side of the glass door.

I've had to drive over there and pick him up like some sort of errant teenager, and he crys all the way back home.

He's running all over the house right now, whining and pushing against closed doors.

I may let him outside later, stand on the other side of the fence line and see just where he is managing to jump over. Maybe I can find a way to make that more difficult for him.

Ah love, or is that lust.

Biochemistry. And powerful.

395 Erik The Red  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 6:25:15am

Good Morning Lizards. It's back to school time today. My girls were both, excited and nervous. Mrs. Red was excited. Her first "ME" time in over 5 months.

396 3 wood  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 6:25:42am

re: #350 iceweasel

It's when the corporations and special interests get involved under the guise of being 'independent' that I get testy.

So you are all testy with the NEA, the UAW, SEIU and so forth, right?

397 reine.de.tout  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 6:25:46am

re: #377 Spenser (with an S)

I didn't reply to Reine, did I? I love Reine to death. I was talking to Ice.

And Yes, Buy Cookbooks, People!

Heh.
With those sorts of points, I'll have to increase your karma all by my lonesome!

398 bloodnok  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 6:26:07am

re: #388 Sharmuta

Favorited for viewing after work. Such music was not intended to be played on a tinny, compressed PC-speaker. And I shall not tempt fate.

399 SasquatchOnSteroids  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 6:26:26am

re: #392 Kenneth

I don't have a dog, but I do have teenagers, so I can relate.

On the plus side, no matter how anxious they get, teenagers don't try to hump your leg.


Here you go. Your virtual dog.

HT : JCM

400 Millicent Islam  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 6:26:44am

re: #361 Spenser (with an S)

Well, I see you've just been a member since this spring but with that reasonable approach I'm sure you would have been posting outrage at all the ACORN and union and Soros, etc.. $, manipulation and bussing that went on prior to the election in Nov., right? Let's just say I'm a tad skeptical but I won't go farther than that in fairness to you.

I'll tell you the truth-- I'd been reading LGF off and on since 2004, like 3 days, 4 days a week I'd check in-- and I quit reading from around aug 2008 to december. From around late august on some of the commenters here departed from reality. It was too weird to check in and see people clinging to beliefs that weren't true-- about McCain's chances, etc. I was pro-Obama, but it didn't give me any joy to see that.

I'm not especially interested in refighting any of the election wars about ACORN, etc. I guess you'll have to judge me on my posts here in terms of how consistent I am-- but I'll point out that I've consistently slammed Obama for maintaining or extending certain Bush era policies that most here actually like him for, and I've pointed out various lib critics who hated Bush for those policies and suddenly have no prob with them under Obama.

BTW, I just noticed that your karma is crazy good compared to mine. This is a very fair-minded site.

It's a very fair site, I completely agree, and most people are open to opposing views. If my karma is high it's prolly just for the dirty jokes. ;)

401 midwestgak  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 6:27:07am

re: #395 Erik The Red

Morning Erik. Good for the Mrs.

402 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 6:27:14am

re: #392 Kenneth

I don't have a dog, but I do have teenagers, so I can relate.

On the plus side, no matter how anxious they get, teenagers don't try to hump your leg.

...or jump fences.

403 SasquatchOnSteroids  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 6:27:45am

re: #395 Erik The Red

Good Morning Lizards. It's back to school time today. My girls were both, excited and nervous. Mrs. Red was excited. Her first "ME" time in over 5 months.

Why are you still here ?

//

404 Sharmuta  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 6:27:52am

re: #361 Spenser (with an S)

OK- I'm going to try this again, and this time I read the right name.

BTW, I just noticed that your karma is crazy good compared to mine. This is a very fair-minded site.

Of course this is a fair-minded site. If it wasn't, it wouldn't be LGF. We're anti-idiotarian here- we fact check and follow the evidence. What this means, imo, is a liberal can do just fine here so long as they also follow the evidence and fact check like the rest of us. This is probably one of the only sites on the righty-sphere where a person from the left could be comfortable, and it's a testament to our host.

405 laZardo  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 6:27:59am

re: #402 Walter L. Newton

Unless they're the type who enjoyed being the school mascot.

If you know what I mean.

406 Aye Pod  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 6:28:10am

Packing heat at Obama protests: no problem!

[Link: www.hurryupharry.org...]


Republican Congressman Phil Gingrey of Georgia can’t bring himself to criticize people who carry firearms to protests against President Obama– y’know, just because they can.

You don’t have to be a gun-control type to be disturbed by this. The protests at President George W. Bush’s appearances often included some strange and obnoxious characters. But I don’t recall any of them bringing assault rifles.

407 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 6:28:15am

re: #400 iceweasel

It's a very fair site, I completely agree, and most people are open to opposing views. If my karma is high it's prolly just for the dirty jokes. ;)

No, pity points :)

408 Leonidas Hoplite  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 6:28:16am

re: #388 Sharmuta

Beatles Rooftop Concert (in 3 parts)

Youtube Video

Youtube Video

Youtube Video

My 5-year old daughter is singing Hello Goodbye with her daycamp group today - I have to miss it but she sang it for me last night. That's a burned memory.

409 gonecamping  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 6:28:38am

One of my neighbors is from Cuba and still has friends back there. The other day he was telling me that he gets requests for blood pressure cuffs because there are none available back home. He sends one to his friend (to replace the one that wore out) and it gets passed around the block so people can take thier BP...he says the Doctors don't even have the cuffs to take blood pressure readings. He is completely amazed that American Politicians would even think of going the route of Socialized Medicine.

410 Erik The Red  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 6:28:50am

re: #403 SasquatchOnSteroids

Why are you still here ?

//

Not to sure I fit into her "ME" time for the next couple of days. :))

411 midwestgak  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 6:29:09am

re: #397 reine.de.tout

{reine} Got your email. Thanks lady!

412 Millicent Islam  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 6:29:11am

re: #384 Leonidas Hoplite

This looks suspiciously like the beginning of an infomercial.

And iDub looks like iPod. :(

You busted us. We're part of the paid commentators on LGF.

413 Sharmuta  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 6:29:23am

re: #393 reine.de.tout

Well, you're sweet!
But Spenser was talking to Ice.

I need a two cup of coffee minimum before I start posting. ;)

414 Killian Bundy  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 6:29:57am

re: #407 Walter L. Newton

No, pity posse points :)

/FTFY

415 Desert Dog  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 6:30:06am

re: #358 iceweasel

Sharm-Wow! good morning!

yeah, I've been thinking about this a lot. There's a tendency on both the left and right to view the other side as evil and as not acting in good faith. So you get Republicans saying that librhuls hate america and are liars, and Democrats saying that conservatives are nasty ignorant people who hate the poor (to take just two stereotypes).

What bothers me at least as much as the stereotyping is this assumption of bad faith. That is, why assume your opponent is lying? Can't we agree that conservatives and liberals both love their country, are all Americans, and want what's best for it? Conservatives aren't necessarily evil people who love war for its own sake just cos they favour strong national defence. Similarly, liberals aren't America hating traitors.

That's the kind of polarisation that really gets me down.

You know, Ice. Quite a few people voted for Obama because he said he would put an end to all of that. Many people with an ""R" or an "I" listed on their voter registration cards voted for him precisely because of that. Would you say that so far, President Obama has been good about reaching out across party lines to end this destructive partisanship? I would say he has done the exact opposite and that will cost him next time around.

Of course, Bush came in saying the same thing and he ended up polarizing just as bad too. But, the big difference between Bush and Obama so far is Bush actually reached out and did do bipartisan things. No Child Left Behind was basically written with Ted Kennedy. Bush did many polarizing actions of course, but he did not run roughshod all over the Democrats in the same manner that Obama is currently doing to the Republicans. I would say that he is pushing all of his agenda hard right now because he has the votes and the last thing he cares about right now is "the other side". So, President Obama, the uniter, in my mind, is the most partisan President I have seen in my lifetime. He will only deal with Republicans when he has too. Right now, he feels he doesn't have too and will "go it alone" and pass his transformative agenda without their input. That will definitely cost him.

416 lawhawk  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 6:30:37am

Greets and saluts from the NYC metro area. We had quite the light show last nite as severe t-storms barreled through, and Central Park took it on the chin. More photos of the storm rolling in here.

417 Leonidas Hoplite  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 6:31:05am

re: #409 gonecamping

One of my neighbors is from Cuba and still has friends back there. The other day he was telling me that he gets requests for blood pressure cuffs because there are none available back home. He sends one to his friend (to replace the one that wore out) and it gets passed around the block so people can take thier BP...he says the Doctors don't even have the cuffs to take blood pressure readings. He is completely amazed that American Politicians would even think of going the route of Socialized Medicine.

A good point but to be fair, the country is probably just as dirt poor now as it was when Castro took power. Progress!

418 Millicent Islam  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 6:31:15am

re: #407 Walter L. Newton

No, pity points :)

Oooh, BURN! *shakes tiny liberal fists*

419 Sharmuta  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 6:32:12am

re: #408 Leonidas Hoplite

My 5-year old daughter is singing Hello Goodbye with her daycamp group today - I have to miss it but she sang it for me last night. That's a burned memory.

Awww! That's one of the many, many things I love about the Beatles- how they bridge generations. Parents can play their music with little children in the room, and it's family friendly and good clean fun.

420 wahabicorridor  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 6:32:20am

re: #410 Erik The Red

Morning Erik. So have you decided on any Civil War books?

421 Erik The Red  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 6:32:22am

re: #415 Desert Dog

You know, Ice. Quite a few people voted for Obama because he said he would put an end to all of that. Many people with an ""R" or an "I" listed on their voter registration cards voted for him precisely because of that. Would you say that so far, President Obama has been good about reaching out across party lines to end this destructive partisanship? I would say he has done the exact opposite and that will cost him next time around.

Of course, Bush came in saying the same thing and he ended up polarizing just as bad too. But, the big difference between Bush and Obama so far is Bush actually reached out and did do bipartisan things. No Child Left Behind was basically written with Ted Kennedy. Bush did many polarizing actions of course, but he did not run roughshod all over the Democrats in the same manner that Obama is currently doing to the Republicans. I would say that he is pushing all of his agenda hard right now because he has the votes and the last thing he cares about right now is "the other side". So, President Obama, the uniter, in my mind, is the most partisan President I have seen in my lifetime. He will only deal with Republicans when he has too. Right now, he feels he doesn't have too and will "go it alone" and pass his transformative agenda without their input. That will definitely cost him.

+1000 wish I had more than one.

422 Kenneth  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 6:32:26am

The Pacific

The trailer for an upcoming miniseries by the producers of A Band of Brothers, on the Pacific theater of WWII:

We few, we happy few, we band of brothers;
For he to-day that sheds his blood with me
Shall be my brother; be he ne'er so vile,
This day shall gentle his condition;
And gentlemen in England now-a-bed
Shall think themselves accurs'd they were not here,
And hold their manhoods cheap whiles any speaks
That fought with us upon Saint Crispin's day.


William Shakespeare, Henry V

423 thedopefishlives  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 6:32:27am

re: #416 lawhawk

Greets and saluts from the NYC metro area. We had quite the light show last nite as severe t-storms barreled through, and Central Park took it on the chin. More photos of the storm rolling in here.

We're sending some more of that your way. Chance of thunderstorms extremely high, and summer storms on the lake are particularly spectacular. About this time last year, we had a storm blow through with main-line winds that knocked a tree onto my house.

424 Spenser (with an S)  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 6:33:23am

So, day #5 of houseguests who seem very comfortable and in no hurry at all. 3 kids (added to our 4), 1 severe nut allergy, 2 on ADDHD meds and they keep snacking til all hours when mine need their sleep. They aren't horrible, but it's been tooo long. My dear bride is coming out of her skin and it's her friend who's visiting. We've got a camping trip coming up on Friday and I'm thinking of saying it's thurs and fake-packing the van today to speed things along.

425 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 6:33:28am

re: #418 iceweasel

Oooh, BURN! *shakes tiny liberal fists*

Iceweasel, you should read this. Its one the better health care articles I've seen so far.

Man vs. Mutt

426 Erik The Red  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 6:33:38am

re: #420 wahabicorridor

Morning Erik. So have you decided on any Civil War books?

Yeah I am going to tackle the 3000 page mammoth.

427 Kenneth  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 6:33:48am

re: #399 SasquatchOnSteroids

That's hilarious.

428 SurferDoc  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 6:33:49am

re: #422 Kenneth

Thanks for putting that up!

429 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 6:33:54am

re: #415 Desert Dog

... Would you say that so far, President Obama has been good about reaching out across party lines to end this destructive partisanship? I would say he has done the exact opposite and that will cost him next time around...

Obama has not only NOT reached out party lines to try to encourage any conservatives, he has also totally ignore the progressives who did most of the foot work to get him elected.

This is good. It has stirred conservatives to get off their butts and start making some noise and face the issues, and it has sent a message to the progressives that this country is not interested in their socialism.

Good all around.

430 Sharmuta  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 6:34:06am

re: #412 iceweasel

And iDub looks like iPod. :(

You busted us. We're part of the paid commentators on LGF.

Clean your iDub with a Sharmwow.

431 Millicent Islam  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 6:34:17am

re: #357 Flyers1974

Flyers, that was hysterical. You're pretty ornery today! :)

432 bloodnok  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 6:34:28am

re: #419 Sharmuta

Awww! That's one of the many, many things I love about the Beatles- how they bridge generations. Parents can play their music with little children in the room, and it's family friendly and good clean fun.

My parents played Revolution 9 for me. And that's why I am the way that I am. *looks over shoulder suddenly*

/

433 BlueCanuck  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 6:35:06am

re: #417 Leonidas Hoplite

A good point but to be fair, the country is probably just as dirt poor now as it was when Castro took power. Progress!

I thought that Cuba was the most successful Latin America Economy when Castro took power? I may need to dig into some links for that.

434 Millicent Islam  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 6:35:14am

re: #430 Sharmuta

Clean your iDub with a Sharmwow.

Well, I am a dirty girl, and you're pretty conscientious... ;)

435 Erik The Red  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 6:35:29am

Later Lizards. I guess Mrs. Red's "ME" time does include me. Going to the mall. Yeah what a great day I have ahead.

436 Coracle  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 6:35:40am

re: #415 Desert Dog

You know, Ice. Quite a few people voted for Obama because he said he would put an end to all of that. Many people with an ""R" or an "I" listed on their voter registration cards voted for him precisely because of that. Would you say that so far, President Obama has been good about reaching out across party lines to end this destructive partisanship? I would say he has done the exact opposite and that will cost him next time around.

I'll disagree. The far left began pushing Obama to "go it alone" when there were 58 (D) senators. The volume raised several dB as soon as Franken was confirmed. He's been taking quite a bit of heat from that side for "futile and foolish" attempts to cross the aisle. And there are those on the not-so-far left who think that the effort, even if it was true to principle, was destructive to his policy goals.

437 thedopefishlives  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 6:36:01am

re: #433 BlueCanuck

I thought that Cuba was the most successful Latin America Economy when Castro took power? I may need to dig into some links for that.

To be honest, that really isn't saying much. Latin America isn't exactly known as an economic powerhouse.

438 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 6:36:27am

re: #422 Kenneth

My Uncle Van, spent his WWII years in the Pacific Theater... Guam...

Only started talking about it two years ago, and then only some parts of it.

He's in his eighties. Still pretty healthy, but, gosh, it is sad to watching that generation die off.

439 Kenneth  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 6:36:52am

re: #419 Sharmuta

I once overheard two young teenage girls on the streetcar:


Girl 1: "Have you like ever heard the Beatles?"
Girl 2: "You mean like that old band that my parents listen too?"
Girl 1: "Yeah, their music's ok, but like their videos suck."
440 BlueCanuck  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 6:37:00am

re: #435 Erik The Red

Later Lizards. I guess Mrs. Red's "ME" time does include me. Going to the mall. Yeah what a great day I have ahead.

Yep, today you are the designated pack mule. Good luck in the wilds of suburban malls.

441 Sharmuta  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 6:37:07am

re: #432 bloodnok

My parents played Revolution 9 for me. And that's why I am the way that I am. *looks over shoulder suddenly*

/

LUCKY! Papa Smurf only ever let me hear the La-La-La song.

442 Sharmuta  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 6:37:25am

re: #439 Kenneth

LMAO!

443 Leonidas Hoplite  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 6:37:40am

re: #422 Kenneth

The Pacific

The trailer for an upcoming miniseries by the producers of A Band of Brothers, on the Pacific theater of WWII:




William Shakespeare, Henry V

Band of Brothers is one of the best pieces of television ever created, IMHO; I hope this is just as good and gives as good a representation of our Marines as our Paratroopers got in Band of Brothers.

444 Spenser (with an S)  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 6:37:59am

re: #436 Coracle

He's been taking quite a bit of heat from that side for "futile and foolish" attempts to cross the aisle.

Not that I doubt you, but I can't think of one. Do you have an example? It doesn't even have to be on par with Bush's ill-advised handing whole pieces of legislation over.

445 thedopefishlives  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 6:38:07am

re: #441 Sharmuta

LUCKY! Papa Smurf only ever let me hear the La-La-La song.

My parents used to keep the radio dial perma-tuned to the local Oldies station when my sister and I were kids. Beatles, Beach Boys and Elvis, ohh yeeeah.

446 Leonidas Hoplite  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 6:38:39am

re: #433 BlueCanuck

I thought that Cuba was the most successful Latin America Economy when Castro took power? I may need to dig into some links for that.


So you're suggesting its even poorer? Yikes.

447 SurferDoc  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 6:39:11am

re: #435 Erik The Red

Later Lizards. I guess Mrs. Red's "ME" time does include me. Going to the mall. Yeah what a great day I have ahead.

Any day above ground is a good day. With the ones you love, even better.

448 Millicent Islam  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 6:39:15am

re: #425 Dark_Falcon

Iceweasel, you should read this. Its one the better health care articles I've seen so far.

Man vs. Mutt

hey DF, how are you?
Thanks for the article, bookmarked. I'll read it today for sure.

Must warn you though that I'm familiar with the manhattan institute and they're not cool. Run the full name (MIFPR) through sourcewatch-- they've shilled for tobacco companies, etc.
I feel like I've heard this guy's name but I can't recall for sure how-- for all I know he's the only good guy writing there. Will read it and get back to you, thanks v much.

449 Coracle  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 6:39:17am

re: #444 Spenser (with an S)

Not that I doubt you, but I can't think of one. Do you have an example? It doesn't even have to be on par with Bush's ill-advised handing whole pieces of legislation over.

If you hold your nose and read a week of Kos or C&L, you'll see any number.

450 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 6:39:43am

re: #436 Coracle

I'll disagree. The far left began pushing Obama to "go it alone" when there were 58 (D) senators. The volume raised several dB as soon as Franken was confirmed. He's been taking quite a bit of heat from that side for "futile and foolish" attempts to cross the aisle. And there are those on the not-so-far left who think that the effort, even if it was true to principle, was destructive to his policy goals.

He's screwing the progressives in his party. And why, because he is not so stupid to see that the country really doesn't want soft-socialism here.

He's already worried about his job.

451 Gang of One  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 6:40:06am

re: #446 Leonidas Hoplite

So you're suggesting its even poorer? Yikes.

And something about free health care and almost no illiteracy. Or so my lefty acquaintances gush.

452 gonecamping  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 6:40:16am

Forget the fake packing Spenser, start packing for real and see if you can get in to your site a day early...sounds like you and the missus could use an extra day of decompression in the great outdoors. And if you can't leave a day early...you have the van loaded and can take it easy tomorrow.

Enjoy your camping trip!


re: #424 Spenser (with an S)

So, day #5 of houseguests who seem very comfortable and in no hurry at all. 3 kids (added to our 4), 1 severe nut allergy, 2 on ADDHD meds and they keep snacking til all hours when mine need their sleep. They aren't horrible, but it's been tooo long. My dear bride is coming out of her skin and it's her friend who's visiting. We've got a camping trip coming up on Friday and I'm thinking of saying it's thurs and fake-packing the van today to speed things along.

453 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 6:40:28am

re: #448 iceweasel

hey DF, how are you?
Thanks for the article, bookmarked. I'll read it today for sure.

Must warn you though that I'm familiar with the manhattan institute and they're not cool. Run the full name (MIFPR) through sourcewatch-- they've shilled for tobacco companies, etc.
I feel like I've heard this guy's name but I can't recall for sure how-- for all I know he's the only good guy writing there. Will read it and get back to you, thanks v much.

You are quite welcome. I'll be back tonight, work beckons.

454 BlueCanuck  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 6:40:44am

re: #446 Leonidas Hoplite

So you're suggesting its even poorer? Yikes.

Let me put it this way. I have had a few friends and acquaintances that have vacationed there. Girls complained of "feminine supplys" being stolen. Stuff like that is a luxury down there...

455 Kenneth  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 6:40:51am

re: #438 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

It's good to see some people are making a good series about WWII to tell the real history to the young people today. Push back against the revisionist crap.

456 bloodnok  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 6:41:07am

re: #445 thedopefishlives

My parents used to keep the radio dial perma-tuned to the local Oldies station when my sister and I were kids. Beatles, Beach Boys and Elvis, ohh yeeeah.

When I was a kid (in the late 70's) I thought that Buddy Holly, Chuck Berry, The Beach Boys, Jan & Dean, The Platters & etc. were current acts. It was a very nice musical education.

457 wahabicorridor  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 6:41:52am

re: #450 Walter L. Newton

He's already worried about his job.

I'm not so sure. One of the talking heads yesterday (on MSNBC I think) said he had told members in a mtg in the Oval that he didn't care if he was a one term Pres if he got health reform thru.

458 Kenneth  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 6:42:11am

re: #443 Leonidas Hoplite

At least one reviewer has said this is better than Band of Brothers. High praise indeed.

459 SurferDoc  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 6:42:13am

re: #456 bloodnok

When I was a kid (in the late 70's) I thought that Buddy Holly, Chuck Berry, The Beach Boys, Jan & Dean, The Platters & etc. were current acts. It was a very nice musical education.

when I was a kid, they were current acts!

460 bloodnok  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 6:42:13am

BBL folkses.

461 Coracle  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 6:42:43am

re: #450 Walter L. Newton

He's screwing the progressives in his party. And why, because he is not so stupid to see that the country really doesn't want soft-socialism here.
.

I don't think he's screwing the progressives. I think he was never as left as the right claims or the far left likes.

Your second sentence is, I think, absolutely right, and gives the lie to the whole "Obama is a socialist" rhetoric pile-o-.

462 albusteve  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 6:42:49am

I don't remember this story...has the MSM been on it?...pretty big story

[Link: hughhewitt.townhall.com...]

463 lincolntf  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 6:43:02am

re: #457 wahabicorridor

Now that's scary. A kamikaze Presidency.

464 thedopefishlives  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 6:43:12am

re: #456 bloodnok

When I was a kid (in the late 70's) I thought that Buddy Holly, Chuck Berry, The Beach Boys, Jan & Dean, The Platters & etc. were current acts. It was a very nice musical education.

No doubt. I never did get into the supposed "music" that my generation listened to. It just seemed so chaotic and unpleasant compared to the music I usually listened to.

465 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 6:43:39am

re: #457 wahabicorridor

I'm not so sure. One of the talking heads yesterday (on MSNBC I think) said he had told members in a mtg in the Oval that he didn't care if he was a one term Pres if he got health reform thru.

I should have been more clear. I mean he's worried about his job performance. He's tried pushing all sorts of things through, and he is hitting opposition on both sides. It's not going the way he expected.

466 Desert Dog  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 6:43:57am

re: #436 Coracle

I'll disagree. The far left began pushing Obama to "go it alone" when there were 58 (D) senators. The volume raised several dB as soon as Franken was confirmed. He's been taking quite a bit of heat from that side for "futile and foolish" attempts to cross the aisle. And there are those on the not-so-far left who think that the effort, even if it was true to principle, was destructive to his policy goals.

Which efforts would those be, Coracle? There has not been one thing bipartisan about Obama since he took the oath. Maybe I missed one, could you provide an example of Obama acting in a manner that "heals the wounds" and "ends the destructive partisan politics that have plagued Washington"?

The voters had a candidate with a track record of bipartisan actions, John McCain. Obama had very little of it and even though he went on an on about how he would be, nothing in his past suggested that, and now, nothing in the present does either. George Bush polarized the landscape pretty hard. Iraq and the manner he fought the GWOT made many people on the left mad as hell. I can admit that, no problem. But, Bush also reached across party line for many of his agenda items. Obama is only in his 7th month, but right now, he is looking to pass he agenda as fast as possible because he does not want a "good crisis to go to waste". He has the votes, right now, and wants to pass all this stuff NOW, because he knows he will probably not have another shot at it later on. He feels no need or sees no benefit from dealing with the almost 50% of the people that voted against him right now.

467 aboo-Hoo-Hoo  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 6:44:14am

Security issues to steal health spotlight

President Barack Obama plans an all-out push for health care reform legislation after Labor Day — but he is likely to find Congress and the media distracted by a series of thorny national security problems, including Guantanamo and Iran, which are set to come roaring back onto the national agenda.

The collection of issues present a political minefield where a false step could send the right or the left into an uproar just as Obama is trying to cobble together a coalition to make a deal on health care reform that has eluded several of his predecessors.

Democrats Seem Set to Go It Alone on a Health Care Bill

Given hardening Republican opposition to Congressional health care proposals, Democrats now say they see little chance of the minority’s cooperation in approving any overhaul, and are increasingly focused on drawing support for a final plan from within their own ranks.

Dollar to lose reserve currency status: Jim Roger

Price weakness continued to be manifest in the precious and base metals complexes overnight, as China's stock market index fell another 4.3% and came to the point of requiring the 'bear market' label to be applied to it by market technicians. Albeit analysts see the Chinese market implosion this month as somewhat counterintuitive, there are other signs that point to justifiable apprehensions.

All the makings for the perfect storm and nobody gets a lousy t-shirt.

Mornin folks.

468 Millicent Islam  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 6:44:45am

re: #436 Coracle

I'll disagree. The far left began pushing Obama to "go it alone" when there were 58 (D) senators. The volume raised several dB as soon as Franken was confirmed. He's been taking quite a bit of heat from that side for "futile and foolish" attempts to cross the aisle. And there are those on the not-so-far left who think that the effort, even if it was true to principle, was destructive to his policy goals.

BTW-- this is totally right. That's exactly what's been happening.

Coracle, did you see this great article on open left which is such a good parody of a Kos diary and of rifts within 'teh left'? hysterical! (posting only part of it here, people should read it all)


I Am Vaguely Calling You Out

You and your kind are everywhere. Fortunately, by vaguely calling you out, I have now stopped you from doing it again. So, I am pretty awesome. If others join me, they will have participated in that glorious triumph themselves. And if they follow me, neither I, nor they, can ever lose.

Update: I am not talking about them. How could you ever think I was talking about them? What they are doing is great. No--I am talking about you.

Update 2: Oh, for crying out loud, I am not talking about you. I was talking about them. You are the one projecting that I am criticizing you in this diary, not me. But hey, if the shoe fits...

Update 3: Thank you everyone for this productive discussion. Stay tuned for when I vaguely call more people out in my next diary. Onward to victory!

469 Flyers1974  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 6:45:04am

re: #431 iceweasel

Flyers, that was hysterical. You're pretty ornery today! :)

That's because I'm about to go on a real vacation for once, i.e., no cell phone, etc... . Although a hurricane may be in my future.

470 albusteve  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 6:45:46am

re: #461 Coracle

I don't think he's screwing the progressives. I think he was never as left as the right claims or the far left likes.

Your second sentence is, I think, absolutely right, and gives the lie to the whole "Obama is a socialist" rhetoric pile-o-.

he certainly is a socialist...but you can split all the hairs you want, it's barely even worth this reply

471 laZardo  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 6:45:48am

re: #463 lincolntf

Now that's scary. A kamikaze Presidency.

That explains why a lot of people I know that like animé love him so much.

/RACSIT!

472 Leonidas Hoplite  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 6:45:49am

re: #462 albusteve

I don't remember this story...has the MSM been on it?...pretty big story

[Link: hughhewitt.townhall.com...]

Nothing to see here. Move.Along

473 wahabicorridor  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 6:45:55am

re: #465 Walter L. Newton

I should have been more clear. I mean he's worried about his job performance. He's tried pushing all sorts of things through, and he is hitting opposition on both sides. It's not going the way he expected.


Ok, now THAT I agree with. You know what? He's never been beat up before and doesn't know how to take a punch

474 midwestgak  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 6:46:01am

re: #455 Kenneth

It's good to see some people are making a good series about WWII to tell the real history to the young people today. Push back against the revisionist crap.

I bought the DVD. I really appreciate the interviews of the actual soldiers who where there and lived through it. Priceless.

475 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 6:47:48am

re: #472 Leonidas Hoplite

Nothing to see here. Move.Along

Well, Hewitt just posted it yesterday, and if you read...

"UPDATE: Ken Vogel just confirmed that his story in tomorrow's Politico delves into this issue and that Axelrod did not respond to Vogel's e-mail on the subject, though he has done so in the past. The transcript of the Vogel interview is here."

So, it's not a dead issue. It will start getting play.

476 kcladderman  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 6:48:16am

re: #458 Kenneth

At least one reviewer has said this is better than Band of Brothers. High praise indeed.

Hope so. I had the pleasure of becoming friends with a Navy radioman that was assigned to a Marine unit he did quite a bit of island hopping. He too opened up a lot more just before he died, I hope their stories are never lost to history revisionists.
Although my favorite ww2 documentary was the one about germane Pow Camps. Now what was it called again??? Oh yeah Hogans Heroes :-)

477 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 6:48:17am

re: #457 wahabicorridor

Do you believe him? I sure don't.

478 Millicent Islam  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 6:48:26am

re: #469 Flyers1974

That's because I'm about to go on a real vacation for once, i.e., no cell phone, etc... . Although a hurricane may be in my future.

ooh! Dominican republic, I think you said? Something like that? Very excited for you!

479 Desert Dog  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 6:48:27am

Gotta run y'all...have fun

480 albusteve  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 6:48:31am

re: #472 Leonidas Hoplite

Nothing to see here. Move.Along

seething with Chicago style corruption, and just a breath away from BO...I hope this takes off and the town hallers get a whiff of this...it really stinks

481 wahabicorridor  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 6:48:50am

re: #467 aboo-Hoo-Hoo

Hi aboo! I think there's a lot of Democratic hardening against health reform, too. In my perfect world, the Dems would 'go it alone' and STILL lose.

heh.

482 redstateredneck  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 6:48:51am

re: #466 Desert Dog
Tell it, {Dog}!

483 Spenser (with an S)  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 6:49:29am

re: #452 gonecamping

Forget the fake packing Spenser, start packing for real and see if you can get in to your site a day early...sounds like you and the missus could use an extra day of decompression in the great outdoors. And if you can't leave a day early...you have the van loaded and can take it easy tomorrow.

Enjoy your camping trip!


re: #424 Spenser (with an S)

So, day #5 of houseguests who seem very comfortable and in no hurry at all. 3 kids (added to our 4), 1 severe nut allergy, 2 on ADDHD meds and they keep snacking til all hours when mine need their sleep. They aren't horrible, but it's been tooo long. My dear bride is coming out of her skin and it's her friend who's visiting. We've got a camping trip coming up on Friday and I'm thinking of saying it's thurs and fake-packing the van today to speed things along.

Good idea. I have to check with work. Wait a minute... you're a member of the camping lobby, aren't you? Do you get a cut of this?

484 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 6:49:40am

re: #473 wahabicorridor

Ok, now THAT I agree with. You know what? He's never been beat up before and doesn't know how to take a punch

No kidding, and it is evident the way he responds when he is forced to actually be off teleprompter.

Honestly, almost all the Lizards here can form a sentence and get a thought across quicker and better than our President can.

485 Leonidas Hoplite  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 6:49:52am

re: #475 Walter L. Newton

Well, Hewitt just posted it yesterday, and if you read...

"UPDATE: Ken Vogel just confirmed that his story in tomorrow's Politico delves into this issue and that Axelrod did not respond to Vogel's e-mail on the subject, though he has done so in the past. The transcript of the Vogel interview is here."

So, it's not a dead issue. It will start getting play.

Let's hope so.

486 vxbush  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 6:50:28am

'Allo, everyone. Eet ez a gorgeous day here.

487 wahabicorridor  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 6:50:35am

re: #477 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Do you believe him? I sure don't.

I've never believed anything the man has ever said other when he tells us his name - and that he adores his family.

That's about it.

488 opnion  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 6:51:09am

re: #462 albusteve

I don't remember this story...has the MSM been on it?...pretty big story

[Link: hughhewitt.townhall.com...]

Gibbs was asked about this at the Press Briefing yesterday.
He called any suspicion about Axlerod ridiculous.
A corrupt operator from the Chicago Machine? Never!

489 redstateredneck  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 6:51:40am

re: #486 vxbush

'Allo, everyone. Eet ez a gorgeous day here.

Hey, {vx}
Gorgeous is good. Pretty gorgeous here as well, but rather...moist, shall we say?

490 gonecamping  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 6:52:15am

Was that camping hobby or camping lobby...you mean I can get paid to go camping???

Where do I sign up?
re: #483 Spenser (with an S)

491 wahabicorridor  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 6:52:25am

re: #486 vxbush

well good morning! Hey, meant to ask you. Have you ever tried putting that mocha flavored powder in your coffee? I use it instead of milk/cream. YUM!

492 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 6:52:38am

re: #486 vxbush

'Allo, everyone. Eet ez a gorgeous day here.

Here?

493 Aye Pod  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 6:53:23am

The Glenn Beck Blubber Watch

[Link: glennbeckmeltdown.blogspot.com...]

494 opnion  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 6:53:25am

re: #470 albusteve

he certainly is a socialist...but you can split all the hairs you want, it's barely even worth this reply

If Obama was burning vigil candles to Karl Marx on prime time, his supporters would say that it means nothing.

495 vxbush  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 6:53:27am

re: #489 redstateredneck

Hey, {vx}
Gorgeous is good. Pretty gorgeous here as well, but rather...moist, shall we say?

Well, we're supposed to get rain later, which I don't mind today. I'm not going anywhere. Tomorrow I have to go to Indiana, and I would prefer not to drive in the rain.

496 midwestgak  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 6:53:39am

re: #486 vxbush


Morning vx. How are you feeling today?

497 vxbush  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 6:53:55am

re: #491 wahabicorridor

well good morning! Hey, meant to ask you. Have you ever tried putting that mocha flavored powder in your coffee? I use it instead of milk/cream. YUM!

I don't do coffee, alas. I can't stand it. I'll just take the chocolate for $200, Alex.

498 vxbush  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 6:54:04am

re: #492 Walter L. Newton

Here?

Mid-state Illinois.

499 reine.de.tout  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 6:54:47am

re: #416 lawhawk

Greets and saluts from the NYC metro area. We had quite the light show last nite as severe t-storms barreled through, and Central Park took it on the chin. More photos of the storm rolling in here.

Wow.
Spectacular photos.
Must have been some really heavy winds.

500 redstateredneck  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 6:54:56am

re: #495 vxbush

Well, we're supposed to get rain later, which I don't mind today. I'm not going anywhere. Tomorrow I have to go to Indiana, and I would prefer not to drive in the rain.

I hear ya'. I don't like to drive in the rain, either.

501 vxbush  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 6:55:01am

re: #496 midwestgak

Morning vx. How are you feeling today?

A little sleepy, but not bad. I had an allergy shot yesterday and I was worried I would react all freaky again, but they reduced the size of the shot and had me take antihistamines beforehand, and I was fine. Whew! Good news there.

502 Spenser (with an S)  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 6:56:02am

re: #498 vxbush

Mid-state Illinois.

My Brother works in Momence and we have cousins in Kankakee.

503 reine.de.tout  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 6:56:11am

re: #486 vxbush

'Allo, everyone. Eet ez a gorgeous day here.

re: #489 redstateredneck

Hey, {vx}
Gorgeous is good. Pretty gorgeous here as well, but rather...moist, shall we say?

Mornin', y'all!

Things going well? Where is doppelganglander, anybody know?

504 Coracle  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 6:56:25am

re: #466 Desert Dog

Which efforts would those be, Coracle? There has not been one thing bipartisan about Obama since he took the oath. Maybe I missed one, could you provide an example of Obama acting in a manner that "heals the wounds" and "ends the destructive partisan politics that have plagued Washington"?

On Supreme Court.
Conservatives Obama Listens to.

505 Kenneth  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 6:56:32am

re: #476 kcladderman

My uncle served in the RCAF during WWII, based in Britain. He was KIA in '42. It's great that Spielberg has put his talent, energy and money into producing these excellent series.

506 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 6:56:58am

re: #498 vxbush

Mid-state Illinois.

Ok, you were typing with what appeared to be a French accent, I thought maybe you were on vacation, or kidnapped by a Quebecian.

507 vxbush  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 6:57:18am

re: #503 reine.de.tout

Mornin', y'all!

Things going well? Where is doppelganglander, anybody know?


No clue. I emailed her this morning but have heard nothing. I hope she's OK.

508 Coracle  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 6:57:22am

re: #468 iceweasel

That's fantastic. Thanks for the link!

509 redstateredneck  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 6:57:26am

re: #503 reine.de.tout

Mornin', y'all!

Things going well? Where is doppelganglander, anybody know?

She's missing in action on the scrabble game. Wonder what's up?

510 Occasional Reader  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 6:57:41am

Good morning.

Unclenched Fist Watch, Day [whatever]:

Wave of Baghdad explosions kills at least 75

BAGHDAD – A truck bomb tore through Iraq's Foreign Ministry Wednesday, knocking out concrete slabs and windows and leaving a mass of charred cars outside as a wave of explosions around Baghdad killed at least 75 people.

It was the deadliest day in the capital since U.S. troops largely withdrew from cities on June 30 and a major challenge to Iraqi control of Baghdad. A steady escalation of attacks this month has sparked fears of a resurgence of violence ahead of next year's national elections.

And sprinkling a little bit of Liberal Media Cluelessness on top: NPR this morning, in reporting on these stories, said "the targets were several government ministry buildings, but the collateral damage was extensive."

Uh, guys? Terrorist attacks don't have "collateral damage". The randomized violence is the POINT.

511 SasquatchOnSteroids  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 6:57:46am

I have a question.
Does Obama have any center right associations at all ?
All I've ever seen is lefty,lefty,lefty, and some more lefty.

512 Flyers1974  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 6:58:04am

re: #478 iceweasel

ooh! Dominican republic, I think you said? Something like that? Very excited for you!

Yes, thanks. One of those typical all-inclusive deals, so I doubt I'll be seeing anything but the resort itself. Interesting that Haiti is right next door.

513 turn  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 6:58:07am

re: #486 vxbush

'Allo, everyone. Eet ez a gorgeous day here.

mning {vx} eat z knice da n sac two. Morning all, what are we yacking about today?

514 vxbush  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 6:58:08am

re: #506 Walter L. Newton

Ok, you were typing with what appeared to be a French accent, I thought maybe you were on vacation, or kidnapped by a Quebecian.

Nope, I just felt the need to imitate Fleur Delacour...

515 vxbush  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 6:58:47am

re: #509 redstateredneck

She's missing in action on the scrabble game. Wonder what's up?

When did she last post on Facebook? I know I saw her there in the last few days. Maybe she just didn't get my email that my play was done. It happens.

516 redstateredneck  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 6:58:52am

re: #510 Occasional Reader

Heard as I was coming to work that they had discovered another truck laden with explosives.

517 aboo-Hoo-Hoo  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 6:59:23am

re: #481 wahabicorridor

Hi aboo! I think there's a lot of Democratic hardening against health reform, too. In my perfect world, the Dems would 'go it alone' and STILL lose.

heh.

Hey there wahabi! Let's hope Dem constituents can slap some sense into their representatives before Rahm can get into his strong-arm routine. It is really a rotten, rotten situation - statist's to the left of us and nutz to the right with virtually any whacko(internal or ex.) capable of pulling the pin. ;)

518 reine.de.tout  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 6:59:31am

re: #509 redstateredneck

She's missing in action on the scrabble game. Wonder what's up?

I'll send her an e-mail.

519 MandyManners  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 7:00:38am

re: #510 Occasional Reader

Good morning.

Unclenched Fist Watch, Day [whatever]:

Wave of Baghdad explosions kills at least 75


And sprinkling a little bit of Liberal Media Cluelessness on top: NPR this morning, in reporting on these stories, said "the targets were several government ministry buildings, but the collateral damage was extensive."

Uh, guys? Terrorist attacks don't have "collateral damage". The randomized violence is the POINT.

Perhaps NPR is trying to confer governmental status on the terrorists.

520 realwest  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 7:01:24am

Good morning y'all - from a very warm (79 degrees, going up to 92 degrees with T-Storms likely later on today) currently sunny Charlotte!
We are doing ok today and I hope everyone else is also!

521 redstateredneck  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 7:01:27am

re: #515 vxbush

When did she last post on Facebook? I know I saw her there in the last few days. Maybe she just didn't get my email that my play was done. It happens.


Her last status update was the 15th. Now I'm getting worried.

522 wahabicorridor  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 7:01:56am

re: #510 Occasional Reader

In other news from The Dept. of Media Cluelessness: Di anyone see Chris Matthews Monday nite? He was talking about Medicaire. Said 'after you retire and stop paying into it it, it's all free"

Must have said it 3 times at least.

523 Coracle  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 7:02:10am

re: #504 Coracle

For some reason the very first link I found got erased from that post. It was from Fox, of all places, on healthcare:[Link]

524 vxbush  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 7:02:13am

re: #521 redstateredneck

Her last status update was the 15th. Now I'm getting worried.

No, I can see that she posted something yesterday and Monday, even if she didn't write anything down. So she's around and about.

525 Occasional Reader  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 7:02:16am

re: #422 Kenneth

The Pacific

The trailer for an upcoming miniseries by the producers of A Band of Brothers, on the Pacific theater of WWII:

Youtube Video


William Shakespeare, Henry V

Muchas gracias! Great news indeed.

526 redstateredneck  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 7:02:21am

re: #520 realwest

Hey, {real}. How are you and {mom} today?

527 Millicent Islam  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 7:02:31am

re: #493 Jimmah

The Glenn Beck Blubber Watch

[Link: glennbeckmeltdown.blogspot.com...]

I really love the new SP link, btw. ;)

528 midwestgak  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 7:02:42am

re: #513 turn

Morning {turn}. Just talking openly on the open thread. :)

529 vxbush  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 7:02:47am

re: #522 wahabicorridor

In other news from The Dept. of Media Cluelessness: Di anyone see Chris Matthews Monday nite? He was talking about Medicaire. Said 'after you retire and stop paying into it it, it's all free"

Must have said it 3 times at least.

Cluelessness run amok is not a pretty sight.

530 redstateredneck  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 7:02:53am

re: #522 wahabicorridor

In other news from The Dept. of Media Cluelessness: Di anyone see Chris Matthews Monday nite? He was talking about Medicaire. Said 'after you retire and stop paying into it it, it's all free"

Must have said it 3 times at least.

He is such a dumbass.

531 Coracle  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 7:02:59am

re: #511 SasquatchOnSteroids

I have a question.
Does Obama have any center right associations at all ?
All I've ever seen is lefty,lefty,lefty, and some more lefty.

See link #2 in #504

532 albusteve  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 7:03:06am

porkulus has gone missing...
[Link: latimesblogs.latimes.com...]

533 SasquatchOnSteroids  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 7:03:23am

re: #520 realwest

Good morning y'all - from a very warm (79 degrees, going up to 92 degrees with T-Storms likely later on today) currently sunny Charlotte!
We are doing ok today and I hope everyone else is also!

Morning, real. Glad you're feeling OK today.

534 redstateredneck  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 7:03:28am

re: #524 vxbush

No, I can see that she posted something yesterday and Monday, even if she didn't write anything down. So she's around and about.

Whew! That's good to know.

535 Aye Pod  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 7:03:40am

[Link: standpointmag.co.uk...]

By Nick Cohen

The Real Lockerbie Conspiracy?

Here is another reason why I am highly dubious about the claims that the Lockerbie trial was a miscarriage of justice. In the late 1990s, David Shayler left MI5 and blew every secret he could to the press. He worked on the Lockerbie files, however, and insisted that the case was above board. (I should add that Shayler has since become the nuttiest of conspiracy theorists and insists that Jews - or "Zionists" as modern anti-semites say - are everywhere. If even he doesn't believe there is was a conspiracy in the Lockerbie case, then there wasn't.)

Instead of looking at the trial, maybe it is better to keep an eye on the reports about Peter Mandelson meeting Gaddafi's son in Corfu, who in a pardoy of the dictatorship's leftist rhetoric is likely to succeed his old brute of a father in true monarchical fashion. ("They've given up on socialism in one country and replaced it with socialism in one family," as we used to say of Ceausescu's Romania.)

Although Libya was effectively at war with Britain and America in the 1980s, we are all now allies in the war against radical Islam. In other words, the British establishment may be very keen to get the Libyan out. Gadaffi pere et fils would be happy and Mandy would be happy. Every interest would be satisfied by drawing a veil over the affair, except the interests of justice.

536 reine.de.tout  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 7:03:59am

re: #521 redstateredneck

Her last status update was the 15th. Now I'm getting worried.

Yes, me too. Her last post here was Monday.
I just posted to her FB - told her we were worried. Hope things are OK.

537 wahabicorridor  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 7:04:03am

I've got an 11 am appt to get ready for. See y'all later.

538 SasquatchOnSteroids  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 7:04:46am

re: #504 Coracle

On Supreme Court.
Conservatives Obama Listens to.

Oh, Jesus. We are truly fucked.

539 Kenneth  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 7:05:08am

re: #493 Jimmah

Another video on that page reveals the truly sick nature of the wingnuts out there:

Town Hall Crazies Go Through the Ideological Rabbit Hole

540 vxbush  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 7:05:09am

re: #537 wahabicorridor

I've got an 11 am appt to get ready for. See y'all later.

Good luck!

541 Kenneth  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 7:05:49am

re: #506 Walter L. Newton

Ok, you were typing with what appeared to be a French accent, I thought maybe you were on vacation, or kidnapped by a Quebecian.

What's a "Quebecian"?

542 vxbush  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 7:06:05am

re: #538 SasquatchOnSteroids

Oh, Jesus. We are truly fucked.

Okay, I know why I'm concerned about the list of "conservatives", as I don't think of Snow and Collins as conservatives. But talking to David Brooks? I have no problem with him as a media person, but that not who I would look to for advice.

543 albusteve  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 7:06:20am

more on Axelgate...I'd love to see this guy go down

[Link: www.politico.com...]

544 turn  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 7:06:32am

re: #520 realwest

Good morning y'all - from a very warm (79 degrees, going up to 92 degrees with T-Storms likely later on today) currently sunny Charlotte!
We are doing ok today and I hope everyone else is also!

Morning real, glad to here you and mom are doing ok. The turnwife and I had a romantic dinner last night celebrating our 30th wedding anniversary. The MIL brought over a photo montage she had made of all the things we have fond memories of. There was a picture of our two boys, a picture of her and I embracing one another when we were a young couple (I had LONG hair), and a picture of Luke! It was really special.

545 midwestgak  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 7:06:50am

re: #520 realwest

Good Morning {real}. It's a beautiful day in the suburbs of Chicago. Cool, dry and sunny. Rain comes later.

546 reine.de.tout  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 7:07:01am

re: #541 Kenneth

What's a "Quebecian"?

franglais

547 vxbush  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 7:07:11am

re: #544 turn

Morning real, glad to here you and mom are doing ok. The turnwife and I had a romantic dinner last night celebrating our 30th wedding anniversary. The MIL brought over a photo montage she had made of all the things we have fond memories of. There was a picture of our two boys, a picture of her and I embracing one another when we were a young couple (I had LONG hair), and a picture of Luke! It was really special.

How excellent. What a great gift from her.

548 lawhawk  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 7:07:21am

re: #458 Kenneth

Speaking of military history, I just got my hands on Intrepid: The Epic Story of America's Most Legendary Warship. It's the story of the men who made the Intrepid the legendary aircraft carrier that now resides on the West Side of Manhattan as a museum.

549 Walter Cronanty  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 7:07:30am

re: #511 SasquatchOnSteroids
You mean like these ties? [Link: pajamasmedia.com...]
"In the mid 1990s, ACORN and the SEIU partnered with other leftist groups to help form the Marxist New Party, a political coalition. In 1995, Obama sought out their nomination. He was successful in obtaining that endorsement and used a number of New Party volunteers as campaign workers.

The fact that Obama received the New Party’s endorsement in his first run for office cannot be dismissed as insignificant. On the contrary, Obama’s ties to the New Party and the New Party’s backers at ACORN and the SEIU are long-standing, substantial, and reveal a great deal about his personal political allegiances.

The New Party’s biggest wins in the country were in Chicago, including Obama’s victory in his 1996 run for the Illinois Senate."

And who has President Obama called for support at the town hall meetings? Three guesses.

550 vxbush  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 7:07:37am

re: #541 Kenneth

What's a "Quebecian"?

Something involving Grecian Formula seems appropriate...

551 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 7:07:47am

re: #541 Kenneth

What's a "Quebecian"?

I know that is not the correct name for someone from Quebec, I know the correct pronunciation, wasn't sure of the spelling.

Help?

552 lawhawk  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 7:08:01am

re: #499 reine.de.tout

Where I was in NJ, all we got was the light show. The heavy winds were all to the South and East of us - in Manhattan.

553 Occasional Reader  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 7:08:02am

re: #541 Kenneth

What's a "Quebecian"?

It's a subcategory of Canadavian.

554 reine.de.tout  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 7:08:08am

re: #551 Walter L. Newton

I know that is not the correct name for someone from Quebec, I know the correct pronunciation, wasn't sure of the spelling.

Help?

Quebecois?

555 vxbush  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 7:08:33am

re: #551 Walter L. Newton

I know that is not the correct name for someone from Quebec, I know the correct pronunciation, wasn't sure of the spelling.

Help?

Quebecois?

556 kcladderman  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 7:08:38am

re: #548 lawhawk

I have that one in my bookcase in the read soon section

557 Aye Pod  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 7:08:50am

re: #527 iceweasel

I really love the new SP link, btw. ;)

Such an awesome episode. I don't know if they won any awards for that, but they should have. That entire series (series 8) is their best I think.

558 realwest  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 7:09:01am

I took my usual morning stroll through the fields of the spin off links today and what do I find? A column by Nat Hentoff - a noted Liberal, perhaps one of the most prominent writers of Jazz music in a generation, and a solid Democrat writing how (and why) he's finally "Scared of the White House". Check the link to find out why.
I also noted that California intends to tax folks on their IOU's from the State of California which are handed out by the state in lieu of refund checks(!) and that some California State Democrats are increasing their staff's salaries, while their state is ready to go bankrupt, and not disclosing that information - except, apparently, to a beat reporter over martinis. See the spin off links for that story as well.

559 redstateredneck  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 7:09:08am

re: #544 turn

Morning real, glad to here you and mom are doing ok. The turnwife and I had a romantic dinner last night celebrating our 30th wedding anniversary. The MIL brought over a photo montage she had made of all the things we have fond memories of. There was a picture of our two boys, a picture of her and I embracing one another when we were a young couple (I had LONG hair), and a picture of Luke! It was really special.


Awww, that sounds great!

560 turn  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 7:09:11am

re: #530 redstateredneck

He is such a loud mouth dumbass.

FIFY

Morning {red}

561 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 7:09:16am

re: #554 reine.de.tout

Quebecois?

Thanks, on this end I was trying to spell it "Quebecque" and that didn't look right.

562 vxbush  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 7:09:25am

re: #556 kcladderman

I have that one in my bookcase in the read soon section

And I just started Ender's Game. I've never read Orson Scott Card. Should be fun.

563 redstateredneck  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 7:11:23am

re: #560 turn

FIFY

Morning {red}

Thanks! Morning, {turn}.

564 turn  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 7:11:44am

re: #547 vxbush

How excellent. What a great gift from her.

I have the greatest MIL, she is so sweet. I wanted to take the montage in to work here but turnwife said no way!

565 Kenneth  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 7:12:13am

re: #510 Occasional Reader

Good morning.

Unclenched Fist Watch, Day [whatever]:

Wave of Baghdad explosions kills at least 75

And sprinkling a little bit of Liberal Media Cluelessness on top: NPR this morning, in reporting on these stories, said "the targets were several government ministry buildings, but the collateral damage was extensive."

Uh, guys? Terrorist attacks don't have "collateral damage". The randomized violence is the POINT.

Referring to the intentional willful violence of a terrorist bomb as "collateral damage" is as absurd as calling a the death of a suicide bomber a "friendly fire" incident.

Further proof, as if it was ever necessary, that leftist journalists have no moral compass.

566 reine.de.tout  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 7:12:22am

re: #552 lawhawk

Where I was in NJ, all we got was the light show. The heavy winds were all to the South and East of us - in Manhattan.

The light show was spectacular.

I must be a complete idiot, because I love a great storm like that, though I'm always praying no one gets hurt.

567 lawhawk  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 7:12:44am

re: #538 SasquatchOnSteroids

Oh, Jesus. We are truly fucked.

Well, it's not like Obama's going to listen to folks who didn't make up the Gang of 14. He's going to listen to the moderate/liberal GOPers. He was never going to listen to the right wing of the GOP, and even on this, the left will see this as a sell-out of their positions, particularly on health care.

That's why we're going to see the left complaining about anything other than single payer. They know they have the numbers in Congress to make it happen, but Obama realizes that any push to single payer might result in losing Congress in a big way in 2010 and his chances in 2012 slip precipitously especially if the economy continues to lumber along in the doldrums.

Democrats can pass health care in any fashion they see fit right now - they own Congress and the White House, so the debate isn't so much a debate as to provide political cover into 2010 and 2012.

The anger is over the arrogance of the White House to impose something that most Americans are instinctively opposed to - a government imposed health care system that is unaffordable even in the best of times.

568 realwest  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 7:12:54am

re: #522 wahabicorridor
So how come I have to pay over $700 a month for medicare if it's for free?!
Oh, wait, were you talking about Tingly Chrissy Matthews? Well, never mind then,y'all would have to hit him with a freight train to convince him it's not a good idea to try to cross railroad tracks while the gates are down and the red lights flashing.

569 Killian Bundy  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 7:13:04am

re: #549 Walter Cronanty

/but, but, ACORN is nonpartisan!

570 Leonidas Hoplite  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 7:13:48am

re: #562 vxbush

And I just started Ender's Game. I've never read Orson Scott Card. Should be fun.

Great book. Enjoy!

571 Occasional Reader  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 7:13:51am

re: #565 Kenneth


Referring to the intentional willful violence of a terrorist bomb as "collateral damage" is as absurd as calling a the death of a suicide bomber a "friendly fire" incident.

Reminds me of the liberal relative who referred to "those hotel fires" in Mumbai. (Really.)

572 Millicent Islam  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 7:13:56am

re: #557 Jimmah

Such an awesome episode. I don't know if they won any awards for that, but they should have. That entire series (series 8) is their best I think.

I have to check out series 8...I loved that episode.

BTW, here's my favourite Glenn Beck mashup. I swore I couldn't look at any because he's a crazy person, but this one...had to love.

573 albusteve  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 7:14:05am

re: #558 realwest

I took my usual morning stroll through the fields of the spin off links today and what do I find? A column by Nat Hentoff - a noted Liberal, perhaps one of the most prominent writers of Jazz music in a generation, and a solid Democrat writing how (and why) he's finally "Scared of the White House". Check the link to find out why.
I also noted that California intends to tax folks on their IOU's from the State of California which are handed out by the state in lieu of refund checks(!) and that some California State Democrats are increasing their staff's salaries, while their state is ready to go bankrupt, and not disclosing that information - except, apparently, to a beat reporter over martinis. See the spin off links for that story as well.

CA is adding state jobs to it's bloated payrolls too...union probably, something over 3000 this year so far?

574 realwest  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 7:14:10am

re: #526 redstateredneck
Hey {red} - yeah, we're doing ok, I guess - how's about yourownself - how are you doing?

575 gonecamping  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 7:14:15am

I read that article about the IOUs being taxed...wonder if the State of California will take an IOU.

And talk about hypocrisy...raising the staff salaries while furloughing State employees.

re: #558 realwest

576 lawhawk  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 7:14:24am

re: #556 kcladderman

Years back, I met White at the USS Intrepid. Very nice guy and completely dedicated to turning the ship into a great museum to retain the history of the ship, the Navy, and its illustrious endeavors to protect and defend the nation, as well as its contributions to the space race.

577 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 7:14:28am

re: #562 vxbush

And I just started Ender's Game. I've never read Orson Scott Card. Should be fun.

I'm about 75 pages from the end of Stephenson's "Quicksilver" and then I will be taking a pulp adventure break with Preston and Childs "Mount Dragon" before I go back to Stephenson with book two of his Baroque series "The Confusion." ending with book three "The System of the World."

I've never much like historical fiction too much, but this guy really makes it fun and interesting and you actually learn a lot of real history. And he gives you enough info in his introductions and appendixes so you can clearly know what is fiction and what is fact.

578 Kenneth  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 7:14:41am

re: #551 Walter L. Newton

I know that is not the correct name for someone from Quebec, I know the correct pronunciation, wasn't sure of the spelling.

Help?

Quebecois is the usual term, pronouced "Ke-beck-wah"

579 Aye Pod  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 7:14:56am

re: #539 Kenneth

Another video on that page reveals the truly sick nature of the wingnuts out there:

Town Hall Crazies Go Through the Ideological Rabbit Hole

Very disturbing indeed. The commentary is spot on:

...Still, you can see in her eyes that she is frantically checking an exhaustive catalog of political outrages in the back of her mind—which is worse, supporting healthcare reform, or yelling "Heil Hitler" at a Jew?

She quickly decides that it's the former, and tells the Israeli that, as a Jew, he should be more frightened than anyone of Obama's policies. It's about as comprehensive a tangle of our current political dynamic as we've seen—a middle-aged white woman who seems to believe that Jews are good to the extent that Israel is good because Israel kills Arabs but bad to the extent that one of them supports socialized medicine shouts "Heil Hitler" at an Israeli because Hitler was bad to the extent that he was like Obama but was also good to the extent that he was against Communist Jews. It's taxing to remember where the political lines are drawn when the only thing you care about is hating the president.

580 laZardo  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 7:15:36am

re: #561 Walter L. Newton

Thanks, on this end I was trying to spell it "Quebecque" and that didn't look right.

QBQ?

581 Learned Mother of Zion  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 7:15:43am

re: #577 Walter L. Newton

I'm about 75 pages from the end of Stephenson's "Quicksilver" and then I will be taking a pulp adventure break with Preston and Childs "Mount Dragon" before I go back to Stephenson with book two of his Baroque series "The Confusion." ending with book three "The System of the World."

I've never much like historical fiction too much, but this guy really makes it fun and interesting and you actually learn a lot of real history. And he gives you enough info in his introductions and appendixes so you can clearly know what is fiction and what is fact.

I just read Daniel Levin's "The Last Ember." Da Vinci Code meets Indy Jones. It's a great read!

582 Sharmuta  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 7:15:45am

For anyone interested in following euro-politics, here's a good read on Spain:

Flimsier footings

This folkloric vision of Spain and its distinctively different parts still has the power to charm Spaniards and foreigners alike. But three decades of devolution, following the death of the dictator Francisco Franco in 1975 and the launch of a democratic constitution three years later, have added an intensely political and sometimes bitter flavour to Spanish discussions about their regional differences.

With the national economy in deep recession, Spain’s devolution debate seems to be coming towards a head. Although there is no imminent risk of a split such as the one that divided Czechoslovakia, the arguments are more intense than in just about any other nation state of western Europe.

583 realwest  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 7:15:52am

re: #533 SasquatchOnSteroids Why thank you Sasquatch! How are you doing today?

584 Occasional Reader  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 7:16:36am

re: #416 lawhawk

Greets and saluts from the NYC metro area. We had quite the light show last nite as severe t-storms barreled through, and Central Park took it on the chin. More photos of the storm rolling in here.


Like you, I love watching a powerful electrical storm (from a safe location).

Noted from that first link:

Trees in Central Park did not fair much better.

Gah.

585 Kenneth  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 7:16:45am

re: #548 lawhawk

Very interesting book! Thanks for the link.

586 redstateredneck  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 7:16:47am

re: #566 reine.de.tout

The light show was spectacular.

I must be a complete idiot, because I love a great storm like that, though I'm always praying no one gets hurt.

I do, too. Have since I was a little kid.

587 BlueCanuck  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 7:17:07am

re: #577 Walter L. Newton

Loved that series. The characters are great, and just looking at how science was done in the time of Newton is awesome.

/yes I do know that parts were fantastical, not talking about those parts.

588 Learned Mother of Zion  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 7:17:25am

re: #586 redstateredneck

I do, too. Have since I was a little kid.

But it sucks when the power goes out.

589 Spenser (with an S)  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 7:17:47am

re: #581 Alouette

I just read Daniel Levin's "The Last Ember." Da Vinci Code meets Indy Jones. It's a great read!

I'll check it out. For historical fiction, I love Bernard Cornwell for the really old stuff and I like Jeff Shaara's WWII novelizations.

590 redstateredneck  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 7:18:02am

re: #574 realwest

Hey {red} - yeah, we're doing ok, I guess - how's about yourownself - how are you doing?

Myownself is fine, thanks. Daughter #2 started 2nd year of college today. Buh-bye, money...

591 SurferDoc  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 7:18:09am

re: #519 MandyManners

Perhaps NPR is trying to confer governmental status on the terrorists.

Yes. I think that was 'clueless' by design.

592 turn  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 7:18:46am

re: #590 redstateredneck

Myownself is fine, thanks. Daughter #2 started 2nd year of college today. Buh-bye, money...

Hock the plane!

593 aboo-Hoo-Hoo  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 7:18:51am

Himmicane Bill at cat 4 - ugh.

Damn I hate hurricanes...no matter where.

594 albusteve  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 7:19:01am

re: #589 Spenser (with an S)

I'll check it out. For historical fiction, I love Bernard Cornwell for the really old stuff and I like Jeff Shaara's WWII novelizations.

Cornwell rules...just finished his King Albert series

595 Occasional Reader  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 7:19:44am

YO, STINKY!

I have to say, the control buttons "jumping around" seems particularly bad today. Particularly annoying is when you try to bold, quote, or link text, and the codes "miss"; that is, they land right in the middle of the text you're trying to modify, rather than capturing it.

596 albusteve  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 7:19:47am

re: #594 albusteve

Cornwell rules...just finished his King Albert series

Alfred that is

597 realwest  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 7:19:57am

re: #544 turn Hey Turn - I'm glad to hear that - great anniversary gift and wow, 30 years!Must be made for each other! Mazel Tov!

598 Learned Mother of Zion  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 7:20:19am

re: #594 albusteve

Cornwell rules...just finished his King Albert series

If you like historical fiction, try C.J. Sansom's mysteries set in London during the time of Henry VIII.

599 Gang of One  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 7:20:35am

Good morning, Real. Glad to hear you and mom are doing OK.

600 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 7:20:42am

My new job just called and asked me not to come in today to save labor cost. A 4 hour shift!! GONE!! CHANGE!!
/good thing I have a fresh 12 pack...

601 realwest  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 7:20:55am

re: #545 midwestgak
Hi ya {gak} - hell, I'd gladly switch weather with you!

602 lincolntf  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 7:21:31am

re: #600 Cannadian Club Akbar

It's like a snow day, enjoy it.

603 gonecamping  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 7:21:43am

Thanks for the tip...always looking for a good abook to read and you gave an eye catching description.
re: #581 Alouette

I just read Daniel Levin's "The Last Ember." Da Vinci Code meets Indy Jones. It's a great read!

604 albusteve  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 7:22:11am

re: #598 Alouette

If you like historical fiction, try C.J. Sansom's mysteries set in London during the time of Henry VIII.

I like war and adventure stuff, but I'll google him...I'm halfway through Wilbur Smiths newest, easily my favorite

605 SasquatchOnSteroids  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 7:22:39am

re: #583 realwest

No complaints. Waiting for the cable guy...
At least I'm off work for the day. Woot.

606 Occasional Reader  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 7:22:58am

re: #581 Alouette

I just read Daniel Levin's "The Last Ember." Da Vinci Code meets Indy Jones. It's a great read!

I don't know that book in particular, but I have to say, I'm getting thoroughly sick of the whole Da Vinci Code-spawned, highly repetitive genre. "THIS time, it's a secret code embedded in... hmm... Mozart manuscripts! Yeah, that's the ticket!"

Not to mention that to my mind, The Da Vinci Code itself was a sort of dumbed-down attempt to copy the zeitgeist of Foucault's Pendulum.

/rant off

607 realwest  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 7:23:43am

re: #548 lawhawk
Good morning lawhawk and congrat's on getting that book!
I LOVE the Intrepid museum - though I helped - in a small way - in originally setting it up, I haven't seen it since she came back from Joisey - how's she looking these days? Still a Sea, Air and Space Museum?!

608 SasquatchOnSteroids  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 7:23:56am

re: #600 Cannadian Club Akbar

My new job just called and asked me not to come in today to save labor cost. A 4 hour shift!! GONE!! CHANGE!!
/good thing I have a fresh 12 pack...

Better than a 3 hour tour.

609 kcladderman  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 7:24:02am

re: #576 lawhawk

I think every carrier sailor in the navy wants to see his ship made into a museum. I served on the USS Independence seeing those once mighty ships sitting stripped and rusting in the shipyards is a sad sight indeed.

610 sattv4u2  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 7:24:04am

re: #605 SasquatchOnSteroids

No complaints. Waiting for the cable guy...
At least I'm off work for the day. Woot.

Jim Carrey is coming to your house?

611 Spenser (with an S)  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 7:24:04am

re: #594 albusteve

Cornwell rules...just finished his King Albert series

Truly great characterizations. I get sucked in completely to a character and then a new series comes out and Idrag my feet, saying "It will never be like how much I loved ___" but then... I do!

612 Coracle  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 7:24:07am

On Obama's "Socialism"
Billy Wharton disagrees.

The funny thing is, of course, that socialists know that Barack Obama is not one of us. Not only is he not a socialist, he may in fact not even be a liberal. Socialists understand him more as a hedge-fund Democrat -- one of a generation of neoliberal politicians firmly committed to free-market policies.

On Human Events: Pre-election snippets from Socialist acitivstas and party members.

And, I'm sure a most welcome link for many here: TNR, Obama vs. Marx

613 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 7:24:33am

re: #606 Occasional Reader

I like dumbed down, thank you very much.

614 albusteve  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 7:24:39am

re: #607 realwest

Good morning lawhawk and congrat's on getting that book!
I LOVE the Intrepid museum - though I helped - in a small way - in originally setting it up, I haven't seen it since she came back from Joisey - how's she looking these days? Still a Sea, Air and Space Museum?!

I'm envious...I want to see her, next trip up there will special

615 redstateredneck  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 7:25:01am

re: #592 turn

Hock the plane!

mrhightechredneck would never!
:D

616 midwestgak  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 7:25:01am

re: #566 reine.de.tout

The light show was spectacular.

I must be a complete idiot, because I love a great storm like that, though I'm always praying no one gets hurt.

Growing up in a rural area, our backyard butted up to a farmer's corn field. Corn stalks as far as the eye could see. Storms would usually come from the southwest. We would watch the clouds develop and blow toward our direction.

We could hear the rain coming closer and closer as it pelted the stalks. We would wait until it got really close. Then we would run into the house. Playing a game with the rain. What a memory.

617 aboo-Hoo-Hoo  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 7:25:02am

Court To Obama - Transparency? Not!

Joe Biden spilled the beans on Obama's coming war on coal during the campaign and they denied it. Now, Obama has been caught carrying it out under the radar by a Federal Court.

Fortunately, they've temporarily stopped Obama from yet another economy-crimping move he didn't want you to know about. Even the unions are against it and also complaining about a lack of transparency along with the Federal Court. But that wasn't going to stop the dictator-in-chief from paying off his Green constituency without the required public comment and notice procedures. Why bother with that, when Obama already knows what he wants to do? Read the quote below regarding what we were told would be the most transparent administration evah!

Surprise...surprise. /

618 SasquatchOnSteroids  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 7:25:03am

re: #610 sattv4u2

Jim Carrey is coming to your house?

If he starts talkin' with his ass, I swear to God he's gettin' the boot.

619 turn  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 7:25:10am

re: #597 realwest

Hey Turn - I'm glad to hear that - great anniversary gift and wow, 30 years!Must be made for each other! Mazel Tov!

Thanks real. Yes it was a special gift the MIL gave us. The craigslist lady I'm buying a string of pearls from for the turnwife flaked out on me yesterday. I had an email from her this morning, I think the deal will go down today. I've found out this is a huge bargain I'm getting. I can't believe the detail this lady is giving me on the background of these pearls. As it turns out she is getting rid of them because they were a gift from an ex lover she had a falling out with.

620 Aye Pod  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 7:25:53am

re: #572 iceweasel

I have to check out series 8...I loved that episode.

You must see episode 1 - Awesome-O - one of the funniest things I've ever seen. Gotta dash now - back later!

621 Kenneth  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 7:25:56am

re: #589 Spenser (with an S)

Cornwall is great! I read his Arthurian series and then Azincourt, about the Battle of Agincourt, from where the phrase Band of Brothers came.

It's also said that the British soldier's practice of showing his two fingers at an enemy as a gesture of defiance & victory began there. It's not a "V" for victory as commonly thought. The French had a practice of chopping off the fingers of any English archer they caught. So when the Battle was won, in large measure by the English longbows, it was the archers' way of telling the French to go to hell.

622 turn  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 7:25:58am

re: #599 Gang of One

Good morning, Real. Glad to hear you and mom are doing OK.

How are you doing gang? Are you sleeping better?

623 Learned Mother of Zion  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 7:26:04am

re: #606 Occasional Reader

I don't know that book in particular, but I have to say, I'm getting thoroughly sick of the whole Da Vinci Code-spawned, highly repetitive genre. "THIS time, it's a secret code embedded in... hmm... Mozart manuscripts! Yeah, that's the ticket!"

Not to mention that to my mind, The Da Vinci Code itself was a sort of dumbed-down attempt to copy the zeitgeist of Foucault's Pendulum.

/rant off

"The Last Ember" is really good. I have read a bunch of "Da Vinci Code" knockoffs, but this one beats Dan Brown hands down.

624 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 7:26:28am

re: #587 BlueCanuck

Loved that series. The characters are great, and just looking at how science was done in the time of Newton is awesome.

/yes I do know that parts were fantastical, not talking about those parts.

As I have been reading, I have been looking up references and talking to my girlfriend who has a Masters in History, and most of the science is true. The scientist mentioned in these books were surprisingly further ahead of things then a lot of us realize.

I was totally surprised by that fictional letter from Leibniz that displays knowledge of general relativity. Guess what, he was thinking about things like that. I was blown away.

625 Spenser (with an S)  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 7:26:30am

re: #604 albusteve


I'm halfway through Wilbur Smiths newest, easily my favorite

Also rules. Is Assegi his latest? Great stuff.

626 Rancher  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 7:26:43am
There is every indication that this war will become worse than I saw in Iraq.


Michael Yon on the Afghan war.

627 Sharmuta  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 7:27:13am

I'm sure pamela and friends would find this amusing:

Pig's head on prayer room

Vandals hung a pig's head from the door of a Muslim prayer room in eastern France, daubing the building top to bottom with swastikas and anti-Islamic graffiti, police said on Wednesday.

A passer-by alerted police on Wednesday morning after discovering the pig's head hung from the door and trotters from the shutters of the prayer centre, part of a north African community centre on the outskirts of the town of Toul.

628 albusteve  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 7:27:21am

re: #611 Spenser (with an S)

Truly great characterizations. I get sucked in completely to a character and then a new series comes out and Idrag my feet, saying "It will never be like how much I loved ___" but then... I do!

I think he has another Archer book in the works too...and of course Agincourt

629 Occasional Reader  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 7:27:38am

re: #616 midwestgak

Growing up in a rural area, our backyard butted up to a farmer's corn field. Corn stalks as far as the eye could see.

So is it fair to say you were one of the... Children of the Corn?

630 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 7:27:46am

re: #623 Alouette

"The Last Ember" is really good. I have read a bunch of "Da Vinci Code" knockoffs, but this one beats Dan Brown hands down.

Anything beats Dan Brown.

631 redstateredneck  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 7:28:35am

re: #629 Occasional Reader

So is it fair to say you were one of the... Children of the Corn?

"Leave us alone..."

632 Killian Bundy  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 7:28:42am

re: #626 Rancher

Michael Yon on the Afghan war.

/when the Taliban can mortar the presidential compound in Kabul, at will, that's not a good omen

633 albusteve  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 7:29:34am

re: #625 Spenser (with an S)

Also rules. Is Assegi his latest? Great stuff.

yes...another fine yarn...back to Africa and the Courtneys

634 MandyManners  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 7:29:43am

re: #627 Sharmuta

I'm sure pamela and friends would find this amusing:

Pig's head on prayer room

Despicable.

635 Occasional Reader  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 7:29:48am

re: #621 Kenneth

Cornwall is great! I read his Arthurian series and then Azincourt, about the Battle of Agincourt, from where the phrase Band of Brothers came.

It's also said that the British soldier's practice of showing his two fingers at an enemy as a gesture of defiance & victory began there. It's not a "V" for victory as commonly thought. The French had a practice of chopping off the fingers of any English archer they caught. So when the Battle was won, in large measure by the English longbows, it was the archers' way of telling the French to go to hell.

Sorry. Urban legend.

(Although I'm not sure what's "urban" about it.)

636 reine.de.tout  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 7:30:07am

re: #588 Alouette

But it sucks when the power goes out.


When our power goes out from a storm, it is likely to be out for days or a week or two.

Thus, we have a generator. Best purchase we ever made. Though it is used infrequently, when we need it, we really need it.

637 sattv4u2  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 7:30:26am

re: #612 Coracle

On Obama's "Socialism"
Billy Wharton disagrees.

that socialists know that Barack Obama is not one of us


Sorta like Yao Ming saying that Shaq isn't tall enough!

638 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 7:30:47am

re: #624 Walter L. Newton

Most of the time the newest smart guy is standing on the shoulders of the last smart guy, etc...

639 reine.de.tout  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 7:30:58am

re: #616 midwestgak

Growing up in a rural area, our backyard butted up to a farmer's corn field. Corn stalks as far as the eye could see. Storms would usually come from the southwest. We would watch the clouds develop and blow toward our direction.

We could hear the rain coming closer and closer as it pelted the stalks. We would wait until it got really close. Then we would run into the house. Playing a game with the rain. What a memory.

What a great memory!
I'm enjoying it too, and it isn't even my memory.

640 Gang of One  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 7:31:02am

re: #622 turn

How are you doing gang? Are you sleeping better?

Well, I am getting fewer sleepless nights, but this past week was not a good one. Even had some night-terrors [I thought those happened only to youngsters] on two of those nights. But in general, the pattern is not nearly as bad as before. Thank you for asking, I truly appreciate that.

641 kansas  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 7:31:20am

55% blame the economy on Bush. My local rag's editorial whined, "Look at the cards Obama was dealt." OK, when I get a turd hand playing poker, and everyone at the table knows it, I do not go all in.

642 midwestgak  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 7:31:26am

re: #629 Occasional Reader

So is it fair to say you were one of the... Children of the Corn?

Yes. Stephen King got his ideas for his book from my experiences./

643 vxbush  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 7:31:29am

re: #613 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I like dumbed down, thank you very much.

I understand the comparison to Eco's Foucault, but I agree that the dumbed down version was easier to swallow. Eco just drives me up a wall.

644 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 7:31:52am

re: #638 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Most of the time the newest smart guy is standing on the shoulders of the last smart guy, etc...

Cirque de Scientist!

645 Sharmuta  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 7:31:53am

re: #634 MandyManners

Despicable.

I agree. Just sick thinking about the glee some would have reading that, though.

646 Occasional Reader  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 7:32:35am

re: #627 Sharmuta

I'm sure pamela and friends would find this amusing:

Pig's head on prayer room

No doubt. "The resistence is finally spreading!" or something like that.

Feh.

647 jcm  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 7:33:29am

Mornin' Honcos!

WA had a primary yesterday. It's a top two systems after a decade of suit and counter suits over WA's primary system.

In Seattle Mayor Greg "Global Warming's going drown Santa" Nickels came in third, if the count holds he will not be on the ballot in Nov. Good Riddance.

For King Co. Executive Susan Hutchison (R) has a lead over a pack of (D)s. The (D) vote was split between a number of candidates. Hutchison is a former TV talking head and this is her first elected office. King Co is a FUBARed mess after years of Ron "Tax to the Max" Sims who got tapped by Obama as the number 2 at HUD.

Signs of unrest among the blue natives...

648 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 7:33:40am

re: #627 Sharmuta

I truly feel pity for good Muslims.

649 Sharmuta  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 7:33:56am

re: #646 Occasional Reader

No doubt. "The resistence is finally spreading!" or something like that.

Feh.

To be followed by outrage when it's an attack on French Jews. Religious freedom for me, but not for thee.

650 Gang of One  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 7:33:58am

Time for qi gong and tai chi.
BBL
/play nice

651 MandyManners  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 7:34:11am

re: #645 Sharmuta

I agree. Just sick thinking about the glee some would have reading that, though.

That kind of crap gives radical Muslims more ammunition to piss, bitch, whine and moan to create and emphasize their roles as victims, too.

652 Spider Mensch  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 7:34:12am

re: #609 kcladderman

I think every carrier sailor in the navy wants to see his ship made into a museum. I served on the USS Independence seeing those once mighty ships sitting stripped and rusting in the shipyards is a sad sight indeed.

They were rumours about one of the oldies I served aboard becoming a museum, The USS Coral Sea..then the rumour our original homeport..San Francisco was to buy it, dock it in the bay and use her for emergency generator power in case of an emergency..obviously never happened...she was decommissioned sent to a shipyard in baltimore and scrapped...very sad..I happened to drive by one day and saw her basically down to just a hull..:(..and speaking of hurricanes, I remember come back from a 7 month cruise and going thru a hurricane rather that around it, would have delayed our homecoming by 4 or 5 days, so the captain asked anyone if they objected to going thru the storm. everyone wanted home on time so we went thru..wooo wheee...those expansion joints were moving like I never saw before..I was incharge of the flight deck integrity..hourly checks on 24 point + tiedowns on the birds..had to lash each other together, idea was if you were tied to your shipmate, less chance of a wave taken you over board. and what waves..waves over a 60 foot bow!! now thats a wave!!..lol

653 realwest  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 7:35:04am

re: #567 lawhawk
Uh, my friend you're right about the anger, but it also arises from President Obama's claim of 46 million Americans who cannot afford health care insurance without laying out precisely how he came to that number as opposed to the number of 12 million that others have come up with; the suspicion is, of course, that if there are 46 million Americans unable to afford healthcare or healthcare insurance, than that is a MAJOR CONCERN and issue for the Nation and perhaps worthy of 3 or 4 different bills in the Congress; 12 million, not so much. And as Americans catch on to what this is all about - a grab for POWER, they are truly getting PISSED OFF and PISSED OFF at Obama - not just Congress.

654 turn  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 7:35:05am

work, later.

655 vxbush  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 7:35:13am

re: #625 Spenser (with an S)

Also rules. Is Assegi his latest? Great stuff.

Wait: Which Wilber Smith is this? The one I know about is a theologian who writes 17-line sentences that can be boiled down to two words.

656 laZardo  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 7:35:18am

re: #647 jcm

Mornin' Honcos!

WA had a primary yesterday. It's a top two systems after a decade of suit and counter suits over WA's primary system.

In Seattle Mayor Greg "Global Warming's going drown Santa" Nickels came in third, if the count holds he will not be on the ballot in Nov. Good Riddance.

For King Co. Executive Susan Hutchison (R) has a lead over a pack of (D)s. The (D) vote was split between a number of candidates. Hutchison is a former TV talking head and this is her first elected office. King Co is a FUBARed mess after years of Ron "Tax to the Max" Sims who got tapped by Obama as the number 2 at HUD.

Signs of unrest among the blue natives...

She was on the board of directors[3] of the conservative Discovery Institute. Her name has since been removed from their website.

/a sign of something else?

657 sattv4u2  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 7:35:18am

re: #648 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I truly feel pity for good Muslims.

I know quite a few. They are ashamed of their radicals and are afraid of 'ours'

658 BlueCanuck  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 7:35:30am

re: #624 Walter L. Newton

The sad part about Newton, historically, is how he tried to destroy Leibniz for coming up with his own version of Calculus.

659 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 7:35:38am

re: #645 Sharmuta

I agree. Just sick thinking about the glee some would have reading that, though.

It's a little strange getting "sick" just thinking that someone may or may not be getting glee over that article or incident. Really, Geller is a kook, I can't stand her, but that's pure hyperbole. You don't know one minute to the next if she is "gleeful" about something and why should you get sick over something you have no control of.

Strange IMO.

660 MandyManners  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 7:35:44am

re: #647 jcm

Mornin' Honcos!

WA had a primary yesterday. It's a top two systems after a decade of suit and counter suits over WA's primary system.

In Seattle Mayor Greg "Global Warming's going drown Santa" Nickels came in third, if the count holds he will not be on the ballot in Nov. Good Riddance.

For King Co. Executive Susan Hutchison (R) has a lead over a pack of (D)s. The (D) vote was split between a number of candidates. Hutchison is a former TV talking head and this is her first elected office. King Co is a FUBARed mess after years of Ron "Tax to the Max" Sims who got tapped by Obama as the number 2 at HUD.

Signs of unrest among the blue natives...

Nickels is gonna' be out?!

How large is Hutchison's lead?

How soon before the Dems demand a recount in both races?

661 realwest  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 7:36:22am

re: #573 albusteve
Hey Steve - do y'all have a link for that adding of State Jobs?

662 jcm  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 7:36:31am

re: #652 Spider Mensch

Wave over a carriers bow.

663 Sharmuta  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 7:36:50am

re: #659 Walter L. Newton

There are bigots out there that would take pleasure from that story, and yeah- I think that's sick.

664 lawhawk  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 7:36:52am

re: #607 realwest

Good morning lawhawk and congrat's on getting that book!
I LOVE the Intrepid museum - though I helped - in a small way - in originally setting it up, I haven't seen it since she came back from Joisey - how's she looking these days? Still a Sea, Air and Space Museum?!

She underwent a major overhaul and was reopened this past Veterans Day. She looks great but I haven't been back since she was reopened and she has expanded exhibits on air and space.

665 jcm  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 7:38:12am

re: #660 MandyManners

Nickels is gonna' be out?!

How large is Hutchison's lead?

How soon before the Dems demand a recount in both races?

15 points, but the (D) vote was split 3 ways.

If the current count holds Nickelbags is GONE.

666 saylorfam  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 7:38:31am

re: #525 Occasional Reader

Thank you for posting this. I am anxious to see this series when it premiers.

667 realwest  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 7:38:42am

re: #590 redstateredneck
Hey {red} send her to a Calfornia collge - I hear that they don't believe in money anymore - just give 'em an IOU!!
/

668 lawhawk  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 7:38:48am

re: #662 jcm

When the US Navy built the Essex class, they had an open bow design, with the gun tubs sitting just below the flight deck. That design was reevaluated after several carriers suffered serious damage taking waves such as that during typhoons.

The Essex class ships, and all US carriers, thereafter had enclosed - hurricane - bows.

669 Ford_Prefect  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 7:38:49am

Good Morning Lizards!

It is good to be back for a few minutes of stimulating dialogue with my fellow Lizards! I really need to quit my job so I can spend more time here.

670 jcm  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 7:38:56am

re: #656 laZardo

She was on the board of directors[3] of the conservative Discovery Institute. Her name has since been removed from their website.

/a sign of something else?

I had not checked on that link. It would be a good question to ask the Hutchison campaign.

671 MandyManners  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 7:39:03am

re: #665 jcm

15 points, but the (D) vote was split 3 ways.

If the current count holds Nickelbags is GONE.

When was the last time that King County's Congresscritter was a Republican?

672 Spenser (with an S)  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 7:39:12am

re: #655 vxbush

Wait: Which Wilber Smith is this?

Try Wilbur (with a U) Smith. Should be about 100 novels going back a couple of decades. Great stuff.

673 Occasional Reader  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 7:39:15am

re: #658 BlueCanuck

The sad part about Newton, historically, is how he tried to destroy Leibniz for coming up with his own version of Calculus.

But to his credit, he later went on to invent those delicious fruit paste cookies.

674 vxbush  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 7:39:23am

Did anyone else besides me see last night's Nova on fractals? Very cool stuff in there.

675 midwestgak  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 7:39:32am

re: #669 Ford_Prefect

Good Morning Lizards!

It is good to be back for a few minutes of stimulating dialogue with my fellow Lizards! I really need to quit my job so I can spend more time here.

If you do, can I have it?/

676 MandyManners  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 7:39:40am

re: #670 jcm

I had not checked on that link. It would be a good question to ask the Hutchison campaign.

Oh, yes, indeed.

677 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 7:39:43am

re: #663 Sharmuta

There are bigots out there that would take pleasure from that story, and yeah- I think that's sick.

You said Geller would take pleasure from that, you don't know that.

678 jcm  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 7:39:55am

re: #668 lawhawk

When the US Navy built the Essex class, they had an open bow design, with the gun tubs sitting just below the flight deck. That design was reevaluated after several carriers suffered serious damage taking waves such as that during typhoons.

The Essex class ships, and all US carriers, thereafter had enclosed - hurricane - bows.

One of the largest most powerful ships ever to put to sea...
And the sea still wins...

679 MandyManners  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 7:40:10am

re: #656 laZardo

She was on the board of directors[3] of the conservative Discovery Institute. Her name has since been removed from their website.

/a sign of something else?

Link?

680 albusteve  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 7:40:11am

re: #661 realwest

Hey Steve - do y'all have a link for that adding of State Jobs?

[Link: www.sacbee.com...]

681 realwest  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 7:40:11am

re: #595 Occasional Reader

YO, STINKY!

I have to say, the control buttons "jumping around" seems particularly bad today. Particularly annoying is when you try to bold, quote, or link text, and the codes "miss"; that is, they land right in the middle of the text you're trying to modify, rather than capturing it.


Good morning O.R., quite concur with you - commented on it to ...well I guess Stinky.
Oh, well.

682 Millicent Islam  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 7:41:01am

re: #674 vxbush

Did anyone else besides me see last night's Nova on fractals? Very cool stuff in there.

Not me, but you need to talk to Ludwig Van Quixote-- his work is related to fractals, in a way.

683 Darth Vader Gargoyle  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 7:41:09am

re: #439 Kenneth

I once overheard two young teenage girls on the streetcar:

Reminds me of an old Billy Crystal bit:

His daughter asks him if it was true that Paul McArtney was in a band before Wings.

684 MandyManners  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 7:41:13am

re: #673 Occasional Reader

But to his credit, he later went on to invent those delicious fruit paste cookies.

Don't chip away at the high-minded tone of this thread with puns.

685 redstateredneck  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 7:41:32am

If you're eating boiled peanuts at work you might be a redneck.
:D

686 Spider Mensch  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 7:41:42am

re: #662 jcm

re: #662 jcm

Yup, that's what it was like...lol..now imagine walking around on deck during that...thank God I was young and fearless...can't make out a # on her bow there, but from the 2 fwd elevators it's a newer carrier...Coral Sea was less than 1000 ft long so we were doing some good bouncing I remember...story for my grand kids someday :)

687 jcm  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 7:41:44am

re: #671 MandyManners

When was the last time that King County's Congresscritter was a Republican?

Tim Hill. Defected by Gary Locke in '93 who went on to two terms as Gov. and is now Obama Commerce Sec.

688 realwest  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 7:41:44am

re: #605 SasquatchOnSteroids Woot! indeed, too bad you don't have cable TV to go with your six pack to celebrate! LOL!

689 lawhawk  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 7:42:33am

re: #653 realwest

Even if you assume 46 or 50 million Americans, that still means 85% of all Americans - 300 million of us, have health insurance whether under SCHIP, Medicare, Medicaid, or private insurance.

He's looking to bankrupt the nation to get the remaining 15% coverage? Sorry, but we have to look at how the government screwed up the real estate markets chasing after increasing homeownership a percentage point or two - demanding easier credit and pushing lenders to extend credit to those who were unable to repay.

He cannot honestly answer the basic questions of cost and how all this will be paid for- whether its in year 1 or year 10. Anyone who pays attention to government programs knows one thing for certain - higher taxes can only result.

690 laZardo  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 7:42:51am

Been up since 8 AM, gonna try to get some early shuteye. Nighty!

691 Ford_Prefect  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 7:42:52am

re: #675 midwestgak

If you do, can I have it?/

Sure. Do you have a problem with walking around in mosquito infested, poison ivy covered swamps, pushing your way through briars and dodging snakes and bears?

692 Kenneth  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 7:43:06am

re: #635 Occasional Reader

The so-called debunking you linked to is easily debunked. The Battle of Agincourt came toward the end of the 100 Years War. During that bloody century the English archers had so destroyed the French aristocracy, who served as knights, that a deep fear of the longbow and a hatred of the archers had been well established. There are several records of the French capturing English archers in battles and skirmishes. Archers were commoners, so they offered no prospect of ransom. Before putting them to death, the French would torture them beginning with cutting off the first two fingers.

The "debunking" attempts to debunk the story by claiming the heralds did not report seeing the French capture any English archers at Agincourt. Which is true, because the French lost the battle! Duh! Prior to the battle, the French had threatened to cut their fingers off, and when they failed to do that, the English taunted them.

693 MandyManners  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 7:43:11am

re: #595 Occasional Reader

YO, STINKY!

I have to say, the control buttons "jumping around" seems particularly bad today. Particularly annoying is when you try to bold, quote, or link text, and the codes "miss"; that is, they land right in the middle of the text you're trying to modify, rather than capturing it.

I only have trouble when I try to post a link using the button or strike throught or use the quotation button. For bolding and italicizing, I highlight and then use CTRL-B or I.

694 vxbush  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 7:43:33am

re: #682 iceweasel

Not me, but you need to talk to Ludwig Van Quixote-- his work is related to fractals, in a way.

I did not know that. Anyway, you can thank the ability of your cell phone to read emails, SMS, and make calls all because of a fractal antenna. Way, way cool.

I love being a math geek.

695 Honorary Yooper  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 7:44:04am

re: #665 jcm

15 points, but the (D) vote was split 3 ways.

If the current count holds Nickelbags is GONE.

I also took note that your 20 cent bag tax (paper and plastic) is also going down to a miserable defeat.

696 Occasional Reader  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 7:44:13am

re: #684 MandyManners

Don't chip away at the high-minded tone of this thread with puns.

Why don't you just go get double-stuffed?!

697 MandyManners  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 7:44:13am

re: #687 jcm

Tim Hill. Defected by Gary Locke in '93 who went on to two terms as Gov. and is now Obama Commerce Sec.

Thanks!

698 Millicent Islam  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 7:44:54am

re: #630 Walter L. Newton

Anything beats Dan Brown.

“I might as well begin with a confession. I have not read the novel by Dan Brown on which this film is based. I have come to believe that to do so would be a sin against my faith, not in the Church of Rome but in the English language, a noble and beleaguered institution against which Mr. Brown practices vile and unspeakable blasphemy.”

AO Scott reviews Angels and Demons

699 MandyManners  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 7:45:05am

re: #689 lawhawk

Even if you assume 46 or 50 million Americans, that still means 85% of all Americans - 300 million of us, have health insurance whether under SCHIP, Medicare, Medicaid, or private insurance.

He's looking to bankrupt the nation to get the remaining 15% coverage? Sorry, but we have to look at how the government screwed up the real estate markets chasing after increasing homeownership a percentage point or two - demanding easier credit and pushing lenders to extend credit to those who were unable to repay.

He cannot honestly answer the basic questions of cost and how all this will be paid for- whether its in year 1 or year 10. Anyone who pays attention to government programs knows one thing for certain - higher taxes can only result.

Gotta' break a few eggs...

700 midwestgak  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 7:45:26am
701 SasquatchOnSteroids  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 7:45:35am

re: #688 realwest

Woot! indeed, too bad you don't have cable TV to go with your six pack to celebrate! LOL!

New TV. Can't get HD with the old cable box, though std cable still works. But its sucky looking.
I needs mys HD.

702 BlueCanuck  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 7:45:47am

re: #696 Occasional Reader

Why don't you just go get double-stuffed?!

Oh snap. So much for gingerly avoiding a pun thread.

703 jcm  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 7:45:52am

re: #689 lawhawk

Even if you assume 46 or 50 million Americans, that still means 85% of all Americans - 300 million of us, have health insurance whether under SCHIP, Medicare, Medicaid, or private insurance.

He's looking to bankrupt the nation to get the remaining 15% coverage? Sorry, but we have to look at how the government screwed up the real estate markets chasing after increasing homeownership a percentage point or two - demanding easier credit and pushing lenders to extend credit to those who were unable to repay.

He cannot honestly answer the basic questions of cost and how all this will be paid for- whether its in year 1 or year 10. Anyone who pays attention to government programs knows one thing for certain - higher taxes can only result.

We you pull out those who can afford insurance and opt out, and illegals you are down to 10-12 million who cannot afford insurance. 3-4% ...

3 to 4% can be covered with out completely tearing down and rebuilding the health care system.

704 MandyManners  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 7:46:02am

re: #696 Occasional Reader

Why don't you just go get double-stuffed?!

You frakin' macaroon.

705 Occasional Reader  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 7:46:26am

re: #692 Kenneth

Prior to the battle, the French had threatened to cut their fingers off

What is the source for that claim?

I've never seen any, personally, just heard the story repeated. And snopes usually do their homework.

706 Ford_Prefect  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 7:46:31am

re: #704 MandyManners

You frakin' macaroon.

This thread is wafer thin.

707 kcladderman  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 7:46:37am

re: #686 Spider Mensch

re: #662 jcm

Yup, that's what it was like...lol..now imagine walking around on deck during that...thank God I was young and fearless...can't make out a # on her bow there, but from the 2 fwd elevators it's a newer carrier...Coral Sea was less than 1000 ft long so we were doing some good bouncing I remember...story for my grand kids someday :)

I remember seas like that. The anchor slapping against the side of the ship let you know the bow was moving pretty good . Also remember thinking boy i feel sorry for those guys on those Tin cans

708 Sharmuta  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 7:46:49am

re: #677 Walter L. Newton

You let me know when she condemns it.

709 doppelganglander  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 7:46:53am

re: #503 reine.de.tout

I'm here, I'm here! Thanks for your concern. Our Internet is down at home so I'm posting from an undisclosed location that has coffee and wireless. I don't know when I'll be back again, so feel free to talk smack about me ;)

710 kansas  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 7:47:19am

re: #689 lawhawk

Even if you assume 46 or 50 million Americans, that still means 85% of all Americans - 300 million of us, have health insurance whether under SCHIP, Medicare, Medicaid, or private insurance.

He's looking to bankrupt the nation to get the remaining 15% coverage? Sorry, but we have to look at how the government screwed up the real estate markets chasing after increasing homeownership a percentage point or two - demanding easier credit and pushing lenders to extend credit to those who were unable to repay.

He cannot honestly answer the basic questions of cost and how all this will be paid for- whether its in year 1 or year 10. Anyone who pays attention to government programs knows one thing for certain - higher taxes can only result.

I believe we have a winner.

711 Millicent Islam  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 7:47:20am

re: #694 vxbush

I did not know that. Anyway, you can thank the ability of your cell phone to read emails, SMS, and make calls all because of a fractal antenna. Way, way cool.

I love being a math geek.

Oh DEFINITELY talk to LVQ-- you'll both love it.

712 jcm  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 7:47:32am

re: #695 Honorary Yooper

I also took note that your 20 cent bag tax (paper and plastic) is also going down to a miserable defeat.

A little sense breaking out.

713 vxbush  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 7:47:35am

re: #709 doppelganglander

I'm here, I'm here! Thanks for your concern. Our Internet is down at home so I'm posting from an undisclosed location that has coffee and wireless. I don't know when I'll be back again, so feel free to talk smack about me ;)

Smack? No way. Now, chocolate on the other hand...

714 Leonidas Hoplite  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 7:47:36am

re: #707 kcladderman

I remember seas like that. The anchor slapping against the side of the ship let you know the bow was moving pretty good . Also remember thinking boy i feel sorry for those guys on those Tin cans

How often does a new sailor get seasick?

715 MandyManners  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 7:47:46am

re: #706 Ford_Prefect

This thread is wafer thin.

You think we need smore?

716 Occasional Reader  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 7:47:59am

re: #692 Kenneth

The "debunking" attempts to debunk the story by claiming the heralds did not report seeing the French capture any English archers at Agincourt.

Actually, the claim is that none of the chroniclers report that the French had threatened this mutiliation as punishment.

717 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 7:48:28am

re: #698 iceweasel

AO Scott reviews Angels and Demons

I'm not sure why you put that quote into my comment. I did not say that... all I said was "Anything beats Dan Brown." Why is that other paragraph in my quote?

718 BlueCanuck  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 7:48:41am

re: #715 MandyManners

You think we need smore?

I think we drive some posters crackers with this foolishness.

719 Ford_Prefect  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 7:48:43am

re: #715 MandyManners

You think we need smore?

We could as Lindsey Graham.

720 albusteve  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 7:49:07am

re: #710 kansas

I believe we have a winner.

that factoid is a year old now

721 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 7:49:25am

re: #708 Sharmuta

You let me know when she condemns it.

You let me know when she sees it.

722 Spenser (with an S)  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 7:49:47am

re: #709 doppelganglander

I'm here, I'm here! Thanks for your concern. Our Internet is down at home so I'm posting from an undisclosed location that has coffee and wireless. I don't know when I'll be back again, so feel free to talk smack about me ;)

Welcome. Can I have a warm-up on my coffee? There's apparently lots of types of cookies around here.

723 midwestgak  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 7:50:17am

re: #691 Ford_Prefect

Sure. Do you have a problem with walking around in mosquito infested, poison ivy covered swamps, pushing your way through briars and dodging snakes and bears?

That sounds a lot like our family vacations. Never imaged I could get paid for having fun./

724 Sharmuta  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 7:50:25am

re: #721 Walter L. Newton

WTH would you stick up for her reputation?

725 redstateredneck  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 7:50:54am

re: #709 doppelganglander

I'm here, I'm here! Thanks for your concern. Our Internet is down at home so I'm posting from an undisclosed location that has coffee and wireless. I don't know when I'll be back again, so feel free to talk smack about me ;)


Thank goodness! We were worried about you, girl!

726 lawhawk  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 7:51:13am

re: #710 kansas

I don't think he's intentionally looking to bankrupt the nation, but rather his actions will result in the same because he simply doesn't care about the basics of economics and his ideology is blinding him to the reality of health care in the US.

By obfuscating the difference between access to health care and cost of health care, he's trying to push through changes that aren't necessary, but which will have repercussions that will exist long after he's in the history books - an entitlement that will suffer just as all the other entitlements - massive debt that piles up and costs future generations.

727 reine.de.tout  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 7:51:45am

re: #709 doppelganglander

I'm here, I'm here! Thanks for your concern. Our Internet is down at home so I'm posting from an undisclosed location that has coffee and wireless. I don't know when I'll be back again, so feel free to talk smack about me ;)

{doppelganglander}
No "smack" talking about you!
we wuz worried, iz all.

728 MandyManners  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 7:51:50am

re: #718 BlueCanuck

I think we drive some posters crackers with this foolishness.

Only if we pepperidge the thread with too many puns.

729 Spider Mensch  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 7:52:12am

re: #707 kcladderman

I remember seas like that. The anchor slapping against the side of the ship let you know the bow was moving pretty good . Also remember thinking boy i feel sorry for those guys on those Tin cans


oh yeah...them escorts would be going under...water tight integrity at work!

730 kansas  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 7:52:18am

re: #720 albusteve

that factoid is a year old now

Just more evidence every day, don't you think?

731 jcm  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 7:52:20am

re: #728 MandyManners

Only if we pepperidge the thread with too many puns.

I decided to Farm out my puns.

732 Millicent Islam  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 7:52:22am

re: #705 Occasional Reader

What is the source for that claim?

I've never seen any, personally, just heard the story repeated. And snopes usually do their homework.

OR, Kenneth is correct. Moreover, fingers of archers have been cut off (or broken) for as long as there have been archers.

In fact, in the ancient world after a battle captured royal scribes would also have their fingers broken or cut off. In the days when few could read or write, this was a very effective way to insure that 'history is written by the winners'.

Here's an article about the Maya doing it, c 600 AD. for example.

733 MandyManners  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 7:52:22am

re: #719 Ford_Prefect

We could as Lindsey Graham.

That would be crummy.

734 jcm  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 7:53:04am

re: #720 albusteve

that factoid is a year old now

Factoids come with expiration dates?

;-P

735 Millicent Islam  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 7:53:08am

re: #717 Walter L. Newton

I'm not sure why you put that quote into my comment. I did not say that... all I said was "Anything beats Dan Brown." Why is that other paragraph in my quote?

Oh, sorry walter-- I screwed up the formatting. I just thought you'd find the article amusing, that's all.

736 Spenser (with an S)  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 7:53:14am

re: #731 jcm


re: #728 MandyManners

Only if we pepperidge the thread with too many puns.

I decided to Farm out my puns.

Samoan has to stop this!

737 Coracle  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 7:53:20am

re: #617 aboo-Hoo-Hoo

Court To Obama - Transparency? Not!

Surprise...surprise. /

The same article you quote says:

Then in late April, Salazar announced he was filing a legal motion in one of those cases asking to reinstitute the 1983 version of the buffer zone rule, saying the Bush version "doesn't pass the smell test."

Very stealthy and opaque, to announce something like that.


EPA impact environmental statement on mountaintop removal mining Jan, 2009

Obama's been on record against mountaintop removal mining since at least 2007
The EPA raised concern on such projects - and announced it - in March this year.

Green groups unhappy Admin permits mountaintop mining, May 18

Admin conference call on mountaintop removal coal mining June 11, 2009
Memo of agreement the same day. EPA link
Agreement receives mixed reviews.
New MtR mine approved this month.

738 albusteve  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 7:53:40am

re: #726 lawhawk

I don't think he's intentionally looking to bankrupt the nation, but rather his actions will result in the same because he simply doesn't care about the basics of economics and his ideology is blinding him to the reality of health care in the US.

By obfuscating the difference between access to health care and cost of health care, he's trying to push through changes that aren't necessary, but which will have repercussions that will exist long after he's in the history books - an entitlement that will suffer just as all the other entitlements - massive debt that piles up and costs future generations.

you give him more credit than I do...willful blindness is the same as intentional to me, but then I'm a hater...

739 kcladderman  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 7:53:48am

re: #714 Leonidas Hoplite

How often does a new sailor get seasick?

We didn't have a lot of bootcamps get sea sick though we also didn't move around as much as smaller ships in the group.

740 midwestgak  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 7:54:00am

re: #719 Ford_Prefect

We could as Lindsey Graham.

Reminds me of the movie, "Zwieback Mountain."

741 pianobuff  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 7:54:05am

re: #736 Spenser (with an S)

Samoan has to stop this!

Don't count on it. Samore are coming.

742 SasquatchOnSteroids  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 7:54:06am

re: #706 Ford_Prefect

This thread is wafer thin.

That pun is a Keebler.

743 Ford_Prefect  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 7:54:15am

re: #723 midwestgak

That sounds a lot like our family vacations. Never imaged I could get paid for having fun./

Well, those are the good days. You also have the opportunity to stand in the middle of state highways on 95 degree days or look for piles of stones in two feet of snow on windy 23 degree days. Then there are the days when it rains while you are standing in 15 inches of mud trying to put a 12 inch piece of wood in the ground and make it steady.

744 Summersong  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 7:54:25am

re: #655 vxbush

Wait: Which Wilber Smith is this? The one I know about is a theologian who writes 17-line sentences that can be boiled down to two words.

I had a brother in law just like that. He didn't write, just spoke endlessly...

745 realwest  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 7:54:31am

re: #669 Ford_Prefect
Hey Ford! Great to see you again - how the heck are you?!

746 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 7:54:35am

re: #724 Sharmuta

WTH would you stick up for her reputation?

I'm not sticking up for her, I can't stand her. Now, let's get back to the real issue of my comment. Let's not go off in another direction. The only thing I was commenting on was you, your reaction and how you brought a third party into (Geller) who has nothing to do with the article.

You don't know if she has seen this article and you have no undisputed way of knowing how she will react.

And since you have no knowledge of those two points, how can you be "sick" over something that is pure fantasy at this time?

Let's talk about you. I was not defending Geller, I was addressing you.

747 MandyManners  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 7:54:50am

re: #731 jcm

I decided to Farm out my puns.

You could make a mint.

748 Rancher  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 7:54:51am

Michael Yon's latest dispatch, Do Americans Care about British Soldiers?, details the extraordinary lengths Americans went to to save a British soldier and also to keep his buddies informed. Kudos especially to the folks at Soldiers' Angels.

Yon is usually careful not to editorialize politically but in stating a simple fact he has struck to the heart of the matter surrounding our health care debate. Emphasis mine:

A gunshot ripped through the darkness and a young British soldier fell dying on FOB Jackson. I was just nearby talking on the satellite phone and saw the commotion. The soldier was taken to the medical tent and a helicopter lifted him to the excellent trauma center at Camp Bastion. That he made it to Camp Bastion alive dramatically improved his chances. But his life teetered and was in danger of slipping away. Making matters worse, the British medical system back in the United Kingdom did not possess the specialized gear needed to save his life. Americans had the right gear in Germany, and so the British soldier was put into the American system.

British officers in his unit, 2 Rifles, wanted to track their man every step of the way, and to ensure that his family was informed and supported in this time of high stress. Yet having their soldier suddenly in the American system caused a temporary glitch in communications with folks in Germany. The British leadership in Sangin could have worked through the glitch within some hours, but that would have been hours wasted, and they wanted to know the status of their soldier now. So a British officer in Sangin – thinking creatively –asked if I knew any shortcuts to open communications. The right people were only an email away: Soldiers Angels. And so within about two minutes, these fingers typed an email with this subject heading: CALLING ALL ANGELS.

749 redstateredneck  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 7:55:01am

re: #736 Spenser (with an S)

Samoan has to stop this!

Upding for Girl Scout cookie reference!

750 albusteve  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 7:55:03am

re: #730 kansas

Just more evidence every day, don't you think?

yes, but nothing from this admin surprises me...check out the Axelrod/Pharm story up thread

751 MandyManners  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 7:55:18am

re: #736 Spenser (with an S)

Samoan has to stop this!

*snickerdoodle*

752 vxbush  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 7:55:30am

re: #737 Coracle

Very stealthy and opaque, to announce something like that.

EPA impact environmental statement on mountaintop removal mining Jan, 2009

Obama's been on record against mountaintop removal mining since at least 2007
The EPA raised concern on such projects - and announced it - in March this year.

Green groups unhappy Admin permits mountaintop mining, May 18

Admin conference call on mountaintop removal coal mining June 11, 2009
Memo of agreement the same day. EPA link
Agreement receives mixed reviews.
New MtR mine approved this month.

Wait--I'm confused. What is the administration's position here?

753 jcm  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 7:55:36am

re: #742 SasquatchOnSteroids

That pun is a Keebler.

This thread has gone Nutter; Butter stop it!

754 albusteve  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 7:55:42am

re: #734 jcm

Factoids come with expiration dates?

;-P

dates, raisins, whatever it takes

755 Ford_Prefect  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 7:55:42am

re: #745 realwest

Hey Ford! Great to see you again - how the heck are you?!

I am well Real, and you?

756 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 7:55:45am

re: #735 iceweasel

Oh, sorry walter-- I screwed up the formatting. I just thought you'd find the article amusing, that's all.

Ok. Just wondering. I'm an atheist and I though maybe you were playing with a little satire on my behalf.

No problem.

757 Sharmuta  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 7:56:01am

re: #746 Walter L. Newton

I already said, Walter- if you'd care to read it- that bigots make me sick.

Do you have a problem with that? Do I need permission?

May I please be disgusted by bigots, Sir?

758 realwest  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 7:56:08am

re: #680 albusteve
Thankew very much!

759 kansas  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 7:57:00am

re: #726 lawhawk

I don't think he's intentionally looking to bankrupt the nation, but rather his actions will result in the same because he simply doesn't care about the basics of economics and his ideology is blinding him to the reality of health care in the US.

By obfuscating the difference between access to health care and cost of health care, he's trying to push through changes that aren't necessary, but which will have repercussions that will exist long after he's in the history books - an entitlement that will suffer just as all the other entitlements - massive debt that piles up and costs future generations.

Why don't you think it's intentional? Isn't it willful to not care about economics? It seems to be a plan to weaken the country and agitate to divide. I don't like it, I have never seen anything like it.

760 MandyManners  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 7:57:15am

re: #757 Sharmuta

I already said, Walter- if you'd care to read it- that bigots make me sick.

Do you have a problem with that? Do I need permission?

May I please be disgusted by bigots, Sir?

Next thing we know, you'll want "more"

761 SteveC  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 7:57:42am

Good Morning!

There was a blurb on the news this morning - I had just gotten up, and it takes a few moments for my brain to warm up - a Congressman was saying that he would vote against the wishes of his constituents if he thought it was the best for them.

I know that you want to stay in your comfy little Congress, but i don't think that's the best thing for you. That's why I would do my best to vote you out on your ass!

762 Spenser (with an S)  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 7:57:46am

re: #739 kcladderman

How often does a new sailor get seasick?

We didn't have a lot of bootcamps get sea sick though we also didn't move around as much as smaller ships in the group.

My new BiL has been in the Navy for 7 years now and has never been on a ship. Not never-been-stationed on a ship; Never been on one! He's a band member and serves honorably, I just think that's funny.

/they also serve who march and play.

763 Ford_Prefect  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 7:58:00am

re: #753 jcm

Cheesitz getting worse.

764 MandyManners  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 7:58:14am

Axelrod should be in deep shit.

[Link: hughhewitt.townhall.com...]

Hat-tip to albusteve.

765 Occasional Reader  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 7:58:29am

re: #732 iceweasel

OR, Kenneth is correct. Moreover, fingers of archers have been cut off (or broken) for as long as there have been archers.

In fact, in the ancient world after a battle captured royal scribes would also have their fingers broken or cut off. In the days when few could read or write, this was a very effective way to insure that 'history is written by the winners'.

Here's an article about the Maya doing it, c 600 AD. for example.

A link regarding Mayans breaking or cutting off the fingers of scribes doesn't exactly substantiate a French threat to cut off two (particular) bowman's finger at Agincourt. Something of a non sequitur. I have yet to see any good source for the supposed "the 'V' sign began at Agincourt" story.

766 kansas  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 7:58:31am

re: #750 albusteve

yes, but nothing from this admin surprises me...check out the Axelrod/Pharm story up thread

I saw that this AM on the net. I just rolled my eyeballs.

767 midwestgak  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 7:58:41am

re: #743 Ford_Prefect

Well, those are the good days. You also have the opportunity to stand in the middle of state highways on 95 degree days or look for piles of stones in two feet of snow on windy 23 degree days. Then there are the days when it rains while you are standing in 15 inches of mud trying to put a 12 inch piece of wood in the ground and make it steady.

Um, don't quit you job./

768 SasquatchOnSteroids  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 7:58:42am

re: #763 Ford_Prefect

Cheesitz getting worse.

Hydrox the women and children !

769 MandyManners  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 7:58:58am

re: #763 Ford_Prefect

Cheesitz getting worse.

Snack-off.

770 vxbush  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 7:59:06am

re: #762 Spenser (with an S)

My new BiL has been in the Navy for 7 years now and has never been on a ship. Not never-been-stationed on a ship; Never been on one! He's a band member and serves honorably, I just think that's funny.

/they also serve who march and play.

I suggested, when my daughter wasn't having any job prospects, that she should seriously think about going into the military bands. Not a bad gig, I thought.

771 Kenneth  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 7:59:10am

re: #705 Occasional Reader

Agincourt by Juliet Barker

The Battle of Agincourt: Sources and Interpretations by Anne Curry

These two books are considered the best histories of the battle. The mutilation of archers by the French was a well known practice during the 100 Years War. If you read the argument presented by the snopes people, it really makes no sense and ignores the history prior to the battle.

Also, the "pluck yew" anecdote is a bit of a red herring. That is obviously false, as the English were well acquainted with the Saxon word "fuck" at that time. The notion that "pluck" evolved into "fuck" is silly. But it also distracts form the point. The English archers held up the first two fingers, not the middle one, which is what the anecdote the snopes people attempt to debunk.

772 Occasional Reader  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 7:59:15am

re: #736 Spenser (with an S)

Samoan has to stop this!

You Thin' you can Mints your way through this thread with comments like that?

773 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 7:59:42am

re: #757 Sharmuta

I already said, Walter- if you'd care to read it- that bigots make me sick.

Do you have a problem with that? Do I need permission?

May I please be disgusted by bigots, Sir?

You said your were "sick" of a imaginary reaction by Geller. I was not talking about anything else except your imagined take on how Geller would react to the article. Once again you are trying to change the subject. I am not talking about bigots, I am not talking about Geller, I am talking about your remark about Gellar.

I've made my point.

774 Occasional Reader  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 7:59:52am

re: #763 Ford_Prefect

Cheesitz getting worse.

The bickering is taking a real Toll on the House of LGF.

775 Ford_Prefect  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 7:59:53am

re: #767 midwestgak

Um, don't quit you job./

Yeah, I love my job! (I have to keep telling myself that or I will go crazy)

776 redstateredneck  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 7:59:54am

re: #762 Spenser (with an S)

My new BiL has been in the Navy for 7 years now and has never been on a ship. Not never-been-stationed on a ship; Never been on one! He's a band member and serves honorably, I just think that's funny.

/they also serve who march and play.


My brother served during Viet Nam in the 50th Army Band stationed at Ft. Monroe, VA. Went to a lot of parades. Thank God he could play the trombone and was a music major in college.

777 Sharmuta  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 8:00:04am

re: #773 Walter L. Newton

No- I didn't mention geller at all when I said I was sick.

778 realwest  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 8:00:09am

re: #748 Rancher
Thanks a lot for that comment Rancher - Yon (and Totten) is a national treasure - a genuine "REPORTER" with no discernable "attitude" except to get out the truth - as Charles recent links have shown.
Thanks again!

779 albusteve  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 8:00:27am

re: #758 realwest

Thankew very much!

welcome

780 Ford_Prefect  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 8:00:54am

re: #774 Occasional Reader

The bickering is taking a real Toll on the House of LGF.

LGF is Ritz with great minds!

781 Lincolntf  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 8:01:09am

re: #764 MandyManners

Yeah, if that story is accurate, it's pretty much the coziest arrangement possible that doesn't involve paper bags stuiffed with unmarked bills.
But even if he's totally busted, he'll probably get the "pay it back" option that so many public figures are afforded when "poor bookkeeping practices" cause "oversights" in their financial arrangements.

782 jcm  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 8:01:25am

re: #772 Occasional Reader

You Thin' you can Mints your way through this thread with comments like that?

It's All Abouts the pun!

783 Occasional Reader  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 8:01:54am

re: #771 Kenneth

re: #705 Occasional Reader

Agincourt by Juliet Barker

The Battle of Agincourt: Sources and Interpretations by Anne Curry

These two books are considered the best histories of the battle.

If you're saying you've read these works, consider them sound works of history, and they contain the "V"-sign origin story, then that's good enough for me. "Debunking" retracted.

784 Honorary Yooper  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 8:01:54am

re: #743 Ford_Prefect

Well, those are the good days. You also have the opportunity to stand in the middle of state highways on 95 degree days or look for piles of stones in two feet of snow on windy 23 degree days. Then there are the days when it rains while you are standing in 15 inches of mud trying to put a 12 inch piece of wood in the ground and make it steady.

Ah, I see you've done land surveying as well.

Wound up wading into a mosquito infested swamp once to put in 3 foot high lathe marking the wetland boundary. Dressed up from head to foot in rubber rain gear and in hip waders, I went into the swamp carrying a 25 foot dip rod with a prism at the top. The mosquitos were so thick in there, you could barely see while wading through 2-1/2 feet of water and going around trees so the prism could be seen.

785 SurferDoc  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 8:01:59am

re: #764 MandyManners

Axelrod should be in deep shit.

[Link: hughhewitt.townhall.com...]

Hat-tip to albusteve.

He'll skate. No problem when it is a "D".

786 MandyManners  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 8:02:13am

re: #781 Lincolntf

Yeah, if that story is accurate, it's pretty much the coziest arrangement possible that doesn't involve paper bags stuiffed with unmarked bills.
But even if he's totally busted, he'll probably get the "pay it back" option that so many public figures are afforded when "poor bookkeeping practices" cause "oversights" in their financial arrangements.

As the article mentions, if this were someone in the Bush Administration, the MFM would be all over it.

787 realwest  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 8:02:21am

re: #755 Ford_Prefect
I'm doing ok, old friend - say what kinda job is it that limits your LGF time? Did you notifiy your equivalent of a shop steward; must be against the work rules!
/

788 Spenser (with an S)  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 8:02:21am

re: #770 vxbush

Not a bad gig, I thought.

Truly. He loves it and is paid decently compared to the economy "out here".

789 Millicent Islam  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 8:02:25am

re: #756 Walter L. Newton

Ok. Just wondering. I'm an atheist and I though maybe you were playing with a little satire on my behalf.

No problem.

No, absolutely not messing with you-- I'm an atheist too, actually! I just messed up with the quote function. Cheers

790 SasquatchOnSteroids  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 8:02:29am

re: #782 jcm

It's All Abouts the pun!

I've thrown all my Chips Ahoy on the table.

791 midwestgak  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 8:03:36am

re: #769 MandyManners

Snack-off.

Snack-on. Snack-off, snack-on. The Snacker.

792 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 8:03:59am

re: #777 Sharmuta

No- I didn't mention geller at all when I said I was sick.

I'm sorry, your sick comment was after the "amused" comment about Geller. I will amend my comment...

"You said Geller would be "amused" by this article. You have no knowledge of how Geller would react to the article."

And just to repeat myself so we don't get on that tract again "I CAN'T STAND GELLER."

But your remark is pure hyperbole and reactionary.

793 albusteve  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 8:04:03am

re: #785 SurferDoc

He'll skate. No problem when it is a "D".

don't be too sure...if his head rolls it will be a HUGE hit to BO...the shit is deep with this one

794 MandyManners  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 8:04:07am

re: #785 SurferDoc

He'll skate. No problem when it is a "D".

Reminds me of this.

795 Killgore Trout  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 8:04:12am

Hooray for left wing blogs...

How To Brew Your Own Beer

796 jcm  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 8:04:14am

re: #790 SasquatchOnSteroids

I've thrown all my Chips Ahoy on the table.

Once your out, you can still Tagalongs.

797 jcm  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 8:04:56am

re: #795 Killgore Trout

Hooray for left wing blogs...

How To Brew Your Own Beer

*Homer voice*

MMM, Beer!

798 Occasional Reader  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 8:04:59am

re: #790 SasquatchOnSteroids

I've thrown all my Chips Ahoy on the table.

And yet there are attempts to Fudge the issue, by posters of all Stripes.

799 Ford_Prefect  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 8:04:59am

re: #784 Honorary Yooper

Ah, I see you've done land surveying as well.

Wound up wading into a mosquito infested swamp once to put in 3 foot high lathe marking the wetland boundary. Dressed up from head to foot in rubber rain gear and in hip waders, I went into the swamp carrying a 25 foot dip rod with a prism at the top. The mosquitos were so thick in there, you could barely see while wading through 2-1/2 feet of water and going around trees so the prism could be seen.

Ding ding ding! Yes, I have been there. We have one client that recycles wallboard. They have huge piles of gypsum that need to be topo'd once every quarter. You can imagine what that stuff is like when it is wet from rains. We come back covered in white sludge. Fun is!

800 MandyManners  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 8:05:08am

re: #791 midwestgak

Snack-on. Snack-off, snack-on. The Snacker.

Now I have the infernal commercial trying to play itself in my mind. Dagnabit.

801 yma o hyd  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 8:05:25am

Hiya, Lizard Nation!

How are things in Lizardia today?

Here, the long awaited, but still unexpected happened: it was hot!
(Well, hot for our climes, about 82F)

I got to wear the summer dress I bought, for the first time, yeee-hah!

(Thunderstorms tonight, and cooler weather tomorrow ...)

802 Occasional Reader  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 8:05:50am

re: #796 jcm

Once your out, you can still Tagalongs.

Wait, wait... this is supposed to be a cookie pun thread. What do Filipino languages have to do with it?

/

803 Millicent Islam  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 8:05:50am

re: #795 Killgore Trout

Hooray for left wing blogs...

How To Brew Your Own Beer

Corporate beer is fascism, maaan!

//

804 Sharmuta  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 8:06:08am

re: #792 Walter L. Newton

Whatever. When you start going after the much worse hyperbole of others, then I will think about your criticism. Until that point, I don't think you recognize hyperbole even when it's staring you in the face, or comes off your own fingers.

805 Ford_Prefect  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 8:06:21am

re: #787 realwest

I'm doing ok, old friend - say what kinda job is it that limits your LGF time? Did you notifiy your equivalent of a shop steward; must be against the work rules!
/

Honoray Yooper hit it on the head. I am in land surveying. Recently we had some layoffs so that meant I have to spend a lot more time in the field.

806 Kosh's Shadow  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 8:06:28am

re: #748 Rancher

Michael Yon's latest dispatch, Do Americans Care about British Soldiers?, details the extraordinary lengths Americans went to to save a British soldier and also to keep his buddies informed. Kudos especially to the folks at Soldiers' Angels.

Yon is usually careful not to editorialize politically but in stating a simple fact he has struck to the heart of the matter surrounding our health care debate. Emphasis mine:

Isn't Soldiers' Angels the group that gets half the profits from the LGF cookbook? Someone was asking about them before ordering a cookbook; they should hear about this/

807 Spenser (with an S)  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 8:06:44am

re: #801 yma o hyd

Morning, yoh! We're in a silly mood this morning.

808 Occasional Reader  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 8:06:49am

re: #795 Killgore Trout

Hooray for left wing blogs...

How To Brew Your Own Beer

Er, right... Huffpo just invented homebrewing, just now, on the internet.
/

809 SurferDoc  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 8:07:51am

re: #794 MandyManners

Reminds me of this.


[Video]

Now, that is a memory!

810 SasquatchOnSteroids  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 8:07:54am

re: #808 Occasional Reader

Er, right... Huffpo just invented homebrewing, just now, on the internet.
/

Isn't that what they're Famous Amos for ?
Coors, I could be wrong...

811 MandyManners  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 8:07:56am

re: #808 Occasional Reader

Er, right... Huffpo just invented homebrewing, just now, on the internet.
/

Who's invented distilling this morning? Has anyone got around to bottling Basil Hayden's yet?

812 kcladderman  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 8:08:18am

re: #762 Spenser (with an S)

My new BiL has been in the Navy for 7 years now and has never been on a ship. Not never-been-stationed on a ship; Never been on one! He's a band member and serves honorably, I just think that's funny.

/they also serve who march and play.

Someone has to be on the pier playing when we come home. lol
I used to get a kick out of guys who bitched about being at sea. YOU JOINED THE NAVY I would remind them. I actually liked being at sea the ship was meant to be underway so when at sea everything runs a lot better. Also a lot less hassles when we were at sea. Not to say of course those homecomings weren't nice but chipping off paint just to repaint gets old after awhile. My job was on the flight deck so if there were no flight ops meant there was a lot of busy work.

813 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 8:08:31am

re: #804 Sharmuta

Whatever. When you start going after the much worse hyperbole of others, then I will think about your criticism. Until that point, I don't think you recognize hyperbole even when it's staring you in the face, or comes off your own fingers.

It's a deal. I'll get back to you on this someday.

814 Sharmuta  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 8:08:43am

re: #806 Kosh's Shadow

Isn't Soldiers' Angels the group that gets half the profits from the LGF cookbook? Someone was asking about them before ordering a cookbook; they should hear about this/

Yes- Soldier's Angels IS the group that gets half the cookbook money. The other half goes to the LGF tip jar. So...

BUY A COOKBOOK!

815 lawhawk  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 8:09:12am

re: #795 Killgore Trout

A friend of my brother in law started out doing the home brew thing, and turned that hobby into his profession. He's now head brewmaster for a major brewer in New York. I've had some of his hand crafted stuff, and it is just amazing.

816 yma o hyd  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 8:09:17am

Just a little footnote to the two-fingered 'salute':

The V-for-Victory sign, ade so popular by Churchill, is the one where the palm of the hand (with the other fignners folder over) is turned towards those one is showing the sign to.

The other one has the back of the hand turned towards those one shows this sign to.

Huge social disaster if one wants to use the first but instead uses the second ...!
So whatever you do - don't get the two mixed up!
:-)

817 Millicent Islam  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 8:09:25am

re: #765 Occasional Reader

A link regarding Mayans breaking or cutting off the fingers of scribes doesn't exactly substantiate a French threat to cut off two (particular) bowman's finger at Agincourt. Something of a non sequitur. I have yet to see any good source for the supposed "the 'V' sign began at Agincourt" story.

It's not a non sequitor. There is a long established practice of the winning side cutting off, mutilating, or breaking the two fingers needed for being an archer-- and similarly, the fingers needed for writing by scribes. Same principle, really.

818 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 8:09:32am

AP/YahooNews article this AM:

DARTMOUTH, Mass. – Rep. Barney Frank lashed out at protester who held a poster depicting President Barack Obama with a Hitler-style mustache during a heated town hall meeting on federal health care reform.

"On what planet do you spend most of your time?" Frank asked the woman, who had stepped up to the podium at a southeastern Massachusetts senior center to ask why Frank supports what she called a Nazi policy.

"Ma'am, trying to have a conversation with you would be like trying to argue with a dining room table. I have no interest in doing it," Frank replied.

Assuming the description in the article is factually correct and complete, ... I agree with Barney Frank (see Note 1).

That said, ... Mr. Frank, how about zombie's and Ringo's photos? Have you ever attended a meeting where posters comparing Bush to Hitler were displayed? If so, did you say anything about THOSE posters? If so, what was it?

/Note 1 -- *gasp*, never thought I'd have occasion to do that!

819 jcm  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 8:09:41am

re: #814 Sharmuta

Yes- Soldier's Angels IS the group that gets half the cookbook money. The other half goes to the LGF tip jar. So...

BUY A COOKBOOK!

OR WE'LL SEND MANDY AND HER STICK TO PERSUADE YOU!

820 Occasional Reader  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 8:10:03am

re: #803 iceweasel

Corporate beer is fascism, maaan!

//

The corporate fascists at Dogfish Head can oppress me any time they want. (Unless I have to drive.)

821 vxbush  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 8:10:08am

Okay, I gotta get some work done or the others will suspect something.

Later.

822 yma o hyd  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 8:10:18am

re: #807 Spenser (with an S)

Morning, yoh! We're in a silly mood this morning.

Just right for hot temperatures, then ...

823 Sharmuta  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 8:10:19am

re: #819 jcm

OR WE'LL SEND MANDY AND HER STICK TO PERSUADE YOU!

AND I WILL YELL SOME MORE!

824 realwest  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 8:10:42am

re: #801 yma o hyd
Hey good afternoon {Yma} I'm glad to hear you finally got to wear your summer dress!
Probably be down in the 60's for highs tomorrow for you though! LOL!

825 Coracle  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 8:11:11am

re: #752 vxbush

Wait--I'm confused. What is the administration's position here?

My read is that they're trying to regulate MtR mining more heavily with an eye to both environmental and economic impact. This pleases neither partisan side of the debate - regulations piss off the industry, and any mining at all pisses off the environmentalists. To my mind, most any decision that pisses off both extremes is on the right track.

Personally, I'd like for there to be no need to exploit resources in this way, and less invasive/destructive techniques are available - they just cost enough to make a strong economic case against them.

826 Ford_Prefect  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 8:11:51am

re: #820 Occasional Reader

The corporate fascists at Dogfish Head can oppress me any time they want. (Unless I have to drive.)

I WANT GOVERNMENT CONTROLLED BEER!! A BEER IN EVERY HAND!!

///

827 realwest  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 8:11:59am

re: #805 Ford_Prefect
Ah, well there are worse things - like being in the field in say January or February!

828 aggieann  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 8:12:42am

re: #629 Occasional Reader

So is it fair to say you were one of the... Children of the Corn?

Amaizing children!

829 karmic_inquisitor  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 8:12:45am

Good Morning all

Nice to see that Nancy Pelosi's lieutenants are out "investigating" compensation of health insurance executives. Fairly naked attempt at personilizing and focusing the "debate" around health care at the sins of some individuals.

Anyone who sees a difference between these leftists and the SoCon religious moralists on the right has blinders on - the left is every bit about creating scapegoats, creating irrational fears, poisoning debate, and imposing a moral vision on America as anyone on the Christian right is.

830 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 8:13:33am

re: #823 Sharmuta

AND I WILL YELL SOME MORE!

I bought two copies of the cookbook, one for a gift.

/unashamedly whoring for karma points

831 yma o hyd  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 8:13:35am

re: #824 realwest

Hey good afternoon {Yma} I'm glad to hear you finally got to wear your summer dress!
Probably be down in the 60's for highs tomorrow for you though! LOL!

Aww, {rw}!
Don't say it ... or I'll have to start sorting out my winter clothes ... (not that they have spent that much time in the wardrobe, this 'sumer', sigh ...)

How are you?

832 Spenser (with an S)  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 8:14:00am

re: #820 Occasional Reader


re: #803 iceweasel

Corporate beer is fascism, maaan!

//

The corporate fascists at Dogfish Head can oppress me any time they want. (Unless I have to drive.)

Frickin' local brewery just pulled their Summer Wheat beer display down and put up the Octoberfest! Too early.

833 Occasional Reader  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 8:14:17am

re: #817 iceweasel

It's not a non sequitor. There is a long established practice of the winning side cutting off, mutilating, or breaking the two fingers needed for being an archer-- and similarly, the fingers needed for writing by scribes. Same principle, really.

Yes, it's a non sequitur. You're talking about different practices (scribes versus archers... and the Mayans rather gleefully chopped up ALL their POWs, not just scribe); and you say "long established", but in this case we're talking about two cultures who had never heard of each other. It's like saying that the Incans committed atrocities during their wars of conquest, therefore, the stories of atrocities in the War of the Roses must be true.

834 MandyManners  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 8:14:26am

re: #818 pre-Boomer Marine brat

AP/YahooNews article this AM:


Assuming the description in the article is factually correct and complete, ... I agree with Barney Frank (see Note 1).

That said, ... Mr. Frank, how about zombie's and Ringo's photos? Have you ever attended a meeting where posters comparing Bush to Hitler were displayed? If so, did you say anything about THOSE posters? If so, what was it?

/Note 1 -- *gasp*, never thought I'd have occasion to do that!

He also allowed a delegate to get up into people's faces--and otherwise invade their personal spaces--and scream.

835 Kenneth  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 8:14:51am

re: #716 Occasional Reader

Actually, the claim is that none of the chroniclers report that the French had threatened this mutiliation as punishment.

You are mistaken, my friend.

The quote from snopes:

Several heralds — both French and English — were present at the battle of Agincourt, and not one of them (or any later chroniclers of Agincourt) mentioned anything about the French having cut off the fingers of captured English bowman.

The heralds did not see the French cutting the fingers off of captured bowmen because the French failed to capture any. The French were slaughtered, defeated and routed by the English. The French were in no position to capture anybody. Snopes' argument is illogical.

A few years prior to Agincourt, there was a minor battle at the French town of Soissons. This was a battle between the French & the Burgundians, but there was a unit of mercenary English archers hired by the Burgundians to help them defend the town. Eventually, the French besiegers defeated the Burgundians. Most of the English archers were captured alive. At the town square in front of the cathedral, the French tortured the English to death, beginning by cutting off their fingers. This was done to slake the knights hatred of the archers, and to terrify and discourage other English archers from coming over as mercenaries. The French knights regarded the archers as unworthy of any chivalric niceties.

836 Spider Mensch  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 8:15:05am

re: #812 kcladderman

Someone has to be on the pier playing when we come home. lol
I used to get a kick out of guys who bitched about being at sea. YOU JOINED THE NAVY I would remind them. I actually liked being at sea the ship was meant to be underway so when at sea everything runs a lot better. Also a lot less hassles when we were at sea. Not to say of course those homecomings weren't nice but chipping off paint just to repaint gets old after awhile. My job was on the flight deck so if there were no flight ops meant there was a lot of busy work.


I was crash crew, V-1 div...ABH obviously..what was your area?

837 Ford_Prefect  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 8:15:05am

re: #827 realwest

Ah, well there are worse things - like being in the field in say January or February!

One of the first jobs I ever did in the field was in January about 10 years ago. It was about 27 degrees and the wind was blowing like crazy. I had a 25 foot tall rod with a prism on it up all the way and was trying to hold it steady as the instrument man was yelling at me to hold it still. I don't know why I didn't quit right there.

838 karmic_inquisitor  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 8:15:27am

re: #803 iceweasel

Corporate beer is fascism, maaan!

//

Should't people who drink too much beer be condemned as corporealists?

839 albusteve  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 8:15:48am

re: #829 karmic_inquisitor

Good Morning all

Nice to see that Nancy Pelosi's lieutenants are out "investigating" compensation of health insurance executives. Fairly naked attempt at personilizing and focusing the "debate" around health care at the sins of some individuals.

Anyone who sees a difference between these leftists and the SoCon religious moralists on the right has blinders on - the left is every bit about creating scapegoats, creating irrational fears, poisoning debate, and imposing a moral vision on America as anyone on the Christian right is.

agree and well stated...the loony right is the shiny object while the left corrupts the system, doing the real damage

840 kansas  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 8:16:30am

re: #834 MandyManners

He also allowed a delegate to get up into people's faces--and otherwise invade their personal spaces--and scream.

Well of course.

841 Occasional Reader  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 8:16:35am

re: #818 pre-Boomer Marine brat

AP/YahooNews article this AM:


Assuming the description in the article is factually correct and complete, ... I agree with Barney Frank (see Note 1).

That said, ... Mr. Frank, how about zombie's and Ringo's photos? Have you ever attended a meeting where posters comparing Bush to Hitler were displayed? If so, did you say anything about THOSE posters? If so, what was it?

/Note 1 -- *gasp*, never thought I'd have occasion to do that!


I do recall one instance in which Barney Frank did the right thing; I believe he vocally criticized... Eason Jordan, was it?... for a casual remark about American troops perpetrating war crimes in Iraq. My memory's a bit fuzzy about the exact circumstance.

842 Kenneth  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 8:17:06am

re: #783 Occasional Reader

I haven't read them, but at then end of Cornwell's book Azincourt, there is a section in which the author discusses the historical context, research etc. He specifically addresses the controversy surrounding this issue and sites those two historians.

843 Kosh's Shadow  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 8:17:10am

re: #814 Sharmuta

Yes- Soldier's Angels IS the group that gets half the cookbook money. The other half goes to the LGF tip jar. So...

BUY A COOKBOOK!

I've already got one.
It's very nice.

844 realwest  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 8:17:20am

re: #831 yma o hyd
I'm doing ok my friend - it's just awfully hot here - 82 degrees and it's just 11:15 AM where I am!
NB - not trying to rub it in, just stating facts!

845 Occasional Reader  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 8:17:23am

re: #826 Ford_Prefect

I WANT GOVERNMENT CONTROLLED BEER!! A BEER IN EVERY HAND!!

///

Don't give the Dems any ideas...

846 yma o hyd  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 8:17:25am

re: #829 karmic_inquisitor

Good Morning all

Nice to see that Nancy Pelosi's lieutenants are out "investigating" compensation of health insurance executives. Fairly naked attempt at personilizing and focusing the "debate" around health care at the sins of some individuals.

Anyone who sees a difference between these leftists and the SoCon religious moralists on the right has blinders on - the left is every bit about creating scapegoats, creating irrational fears, poisoning debate, and imposing a moral vision on America as anyone on the Christian right is.

I'd say the left is even more in thebusiness of creating scapegoats and poisoning debates - at least this is what NuLab is doing here in the UK, right now.
They still are attacking both Dan Hannan, who was on FOX over on your side of the Big Pond, and Dave Cameron, about Hannan's critique of the NHS.

Thank God a large number of people here have had enough of this.
They ask why should it be impossible to debate what is wrong with the NHS without the NuLab LLL crowd screaming treason and blue murder.

847 HoosierHoops  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 8:17:42am

Good Morning Lizards..
Need.more.coffee

848 Sharmuta  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 8:17:43am

re: #843 Kosh's Shadow

I've already got one.
It's very nice.

Volume 2 coming soon!

849 kcladderman  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 8:17:44am

re: #836 Spider Mensch

I was crash crew, V-1 div...ABH obviously..what was your area?

Fly 2 blue shirt then yellow shirt. Made 3rd class and was made EOPO.

850 Ford_Prefect  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 8:18:06am

re: #847 HoosierHoops

Good Morning Lizards..
Need.more.coffee

HH! How the heck are you?

851 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 8:18:08am

re: #834 MandyManners

He also allowed a delegate to get up into people's faces--and otherwise invade their personal spaces--and scream.

I didn't notice that, but I don't doubt it one bit.

/glad to be back in normal "Blarney Fwank" mode

852 MandyManners  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 8:18:18am

re: #840 kansas

Well of course.

Youtube Video

I'm having a hard time clicking on links now but, is that the one of the weenie in the purple shirt?

Talk about disruptive!

Barney is an arrogant bastard who needs to be taken down a few notches. At the polls.

853 HoosierHoops  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 8:19:01am

re: #850 Ford_Prefect

HH! How the heck are you?

Dang dude..Where have you been?

854 Lincolntf  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 8:19:50am

re: #846 yma o hyd

I heard a hard-to-believe factoid the other day. Maybe you can shed some light... "The three largest employers on Earth are The Chinese Army, The Indian Rail Service and the British NHS."
Is that even possibly true?

855 realwest  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 8:19:52am

re: #837 Ford_Prefect
"I don't know why I didn't quit right there."
Me either! LOL!

856 Kenneth  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 8:20:17am

re: #833 Occasional Reader

But iceweasel's point is a good counter-argument to snopes rather confused claim that the French wouldn't bother to cut the fingers off of the archers, of reasons of chivalry, lack of ransom, or lack of military utility. In war, cruelty insists on it's own necessity. Doing that sort of thing was a well known practice.

857 karmic_inquisitor  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 8:20:38am

re: #846 yma o hyd

I'd say the left is even more in thebusiness of creating scapegoats and poisoning debates - at least this is what NuLab is doing here in the UK, right now.
They still are attacking both Dan Hannan, who was on FOX over on your side of the Big Pond, and Dave Cameron, about Hannan's critique of the NHS.

Thank God a large number of people here have had enough of this.
They ask why should it be impossible to debate what is wrong with the NHS without the NuLab LLL crowd screaming treason and blue murder.

Interesting how calling on the state to abandon wars and reduce the military "shows great moral courage and patriotism" while demanding reform of the NHS is paramount to treason.

Talk about irrational distortion of public policy debate.

Same crap happening here.

858 pianobuff  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 8:21:01am

re: #818 pre-Boomer Marine brat

AP/YahooNews article this AM:

Assuming the description in the article is factually correct and complete, ... I agree with Barney Frank (see Note 1).

That said, ... Mr. Frank, how about zombie's and Ringo's photos? Have you ever attended a meeting where posters comparing Bush to Hitler were displayed? If so, did you say anything about THOSE posters? If so, what was it?

/Note 1 -- *gasp*, never thought I'd have occasion to do that!

Any guesses as to whom the poster-bearer cited in the process of asking her question?

859 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 8:21:11am

re: #841 Occasional Reader

I do recall one instance in which Barney Frank did the right thing; I believe he vocally criticized... Eason Jordan, was it?... for a casual remark about American troops perpetrating war crimes in Iraq. My memory's a bit fuzzy about the exact circumstance.

Wasn't aware of that. Thanks for the info.

860 Ford_Prefect  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 8:21:15am

re: #853 HoosierHoops

Dang dude..Where have you been?

Look upstream. I am considering quitting my job so I have more time to spend here.

861 realwest  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 8:21:17am

re: #845 Occasional Reader

Don't give the Dems any ideas...


Why not O.R. - someone has to!

862 midwestgak  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 8:21:25am

re: #847 HoosierHoops

Good Morning Lizards..
Need.more.coffee

Here's a frothy cup just for you Hoosier

863 Ford_Prefect  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 8:21:43am

re: #855 realwest

"I don't know why I didn't quit right there."
Me either! LOL!

I forgot to mention that I was standing in a 5 foot snow drift at the time.

864 yma o hyd  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 8:22:00am

re: #844 realwest

I'm doing ok my friend - it's just awfully hot here - 82 degrees and it's just 11:15 AM where I am!
NB - not trying to rub it in, just stating facts!

Glad to hear you're doing ok!

82 in the morning - as opposed to mid-afternoon, with a lovely cool breeze coming off the Bristol Channel - that most certainly would 'do me in'!
And Madame would hate it - she is uncomfortable in the heat, in spite of having had her fur clipped a few weeks back.

865 Ford_Prefect  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 8:22:26am

Hey! New thread ===>

866 Spider Mensch  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 8:23:16am

re: #849 kcladderman

Fly 2 blue shirt then yellow shirt. Made 3rd class and was made EOPO.

ahh! a fellow V-1, though you know us crash crew types..a different breed..lol...I been out for years..I always wondered if they made crash a seperate job under the ABH rate?? probably not..but I know that was talked about at one time.

867 realwest  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 8:23:19am

Well, gotta run and do some chores - hope you all have a great day and that I get the chance to see you all down the road!

868 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 8:23:41am

re: #858 pianobuff

Any guesses as to whom the poster-bearer cited in the process of asking her question?

I don't know. I happened to notice the headline while checking webmail and clicked through. I haven't researched any more about that meeting.

869 kansas  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 8:23:52am

re: #852 MandyManners

I'm having a hard time clicking on links now but, is that the one of the weenie in the purple shirt?

Talk about disruptive!

Barney is an arrogant bastard who needs to be taken down a few notches. At the polls.

No, that's the one where Obama urges people to get up in their neighbors faces.

870 pianobuff  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 8:24:24am

re: #868 pre-Boomer Marine brat

I don't know. I happened to notice the headline while checking webmail and clicked through. I haven't researched any more about that meeting.

I believe she's a LaRouchian.

871 Coracle  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 8:24:47am

re: #818 pre-Boomer Marine brat

AP/YahooNews article this AM:

Assuming the description in the article is factually correct and complete, ... I agree with Barney Frank (see Note 1).

That said, ... Mr. Frank, how about zombie's and Ringo's photos? Have you ever attended a meeting where posters comparing Bush to Hitler were displayed? If so, did you say anything about THOSE posters? If so, what was it?

I believe he would say something else from that very clip.
"It is a tribute to the First Amendment that this kind of vile, contemptible nonsense can be freely propagated."

872 Ford_Prefect  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 8:24:50am

re: #867 realwest

Well, gotta run and do some chores - hope you all have a great day and that I get the chance to see you all down the road!

Take care Real!

873 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 8:25:56am

I love this. Here is another article on tomorrows strategy session that Obama will be having with his supporters. The article calls it "grass roots."

"President Barack Obama will Thursday hold a live online and telephone strategy meeting to rally devoted grass roots backers as a backlash over his health reform plan spreads to liberal media commentators."

But notice that this grass roots effort is being arranged by a large big money organization.

"David Plouffe, who ran Obama's triumphant 2008 election campaign, and now steers the Organizing for America supporter network, said Obama wanted to lay out his strategy and message, as controversy stalks his major reform plan. "This is a critical time in this president's administration and in the history of our country. I hope you can join us," Plouffe wrote in an email to supporters, soliciting questions for the president."

Now, what has the progressive been screaming over and over for the last two weeks while the conservatives have been pushing back on the health care proposals?

The progressives have been claiming that the conservative efforts are NOT GRASS ROOTS because they have been supported by big money and organizations and so on.

But, the progressives rally tomorrow, set up by big money and an organization is simply grass roots.

I have yet to even see links and proof that all the conservative support has been set up by big money and organizations. It may be, but that's not my point.

I get tired of all this posturing on either side. Lying SOB's.

874 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 8:26:06am

re: #870 pianobuff

I believe she's a LaRouchian.

Hmmm, my spellchecker says that should be "LaRoachian".

875 yma o hyd  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 8:26:42am

re: #854 Lincolntf

I heard a hard-to-believe factoid the other day. Maybe you can shed some light... "The three largest employers on Earth are The Chinese Army, The Indian Rail Service and the British NHS."
Is that even possibly true?

Yep.
There are 1.3 million employees working in the NHS - thats obviously not just front-line medical personnel but adminsitrators, laboratories, physio, technicians, etc etc etc ...

Dunno how many there are in the Chinese Army or the Indian Rail Service ...

876 Millicent Islam  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 8:29:48am

re: #856 Kenneth

But iceweasel's point is a good counter-argument to snopes rather confused claim that the French wouldn't bother to cut the fingers off of the archers, of reasons of chivalry, lack of ransom, or lack of military utility. In war, cruelty insists on it's own necessity. Doing that sort of thing was a well known practice.

Exactly, thank you Kenneth. My point was that it's wrong and confused to claim that the French wouldn't do such a thing, or that the practice was somehow especially unusual.
In fact it was a standard practice for the reason you mention: in war certain kinds of cruelty become their own necessity.
Not just for the french or that time, but everywhere, everytime.

877 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 8:31:32am

re: #871 Coracle

I believe he would say something else from that very clip.
"It is a tribute to the First Amendment that this kind of vile, contemptible nonsense can be freely propagated."

I saw that, and agreed, but truncated my quote to save thread-space.

My reply would be ... Mr. Frank, did you apply the words vile, comtemptible and nonsense to the poster/s depicting Bush as Hitler, or did you use other terminology?

878 Coracle  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 8:33:09am

re: #877 pre-Boomer Marine brat

I saw that, and agreed, but truncated my quote to save thread-space.

My reply would be ... Mr. Frank, did you apply the words vile, comtemptible and nonsense to the poster/s depicting Bush as Hitler, or did you use other terminology?

I don't know. Was he ever asked?

879 Lincolntf  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 8:35:41am

re: #875 yma o hyd

Wow. Thanks.

880 aboo-Hoo-Hoo  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 8:40:33am

re: #737 Coracle

I'm not quite sure of your point but I suspect you may be confusing the current Admin's 'position' versus the courts ruling that Salazar & the DoI could not reverse the Bush Admin's regulation without first notifying affected applicable parties for comment and hearings - process & procedure.

881 Coracle  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 8:42:19am

re: #880 aboo-Hoo-Hoo

My point is that Salazar said what they were going to try to do openly.

882 aboo-Hoo-Hoo  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 8:58:17am

re: #881 Coracle

My point is that Salazar said what they were going to try to do openly.

Point made and they got stopped by not failing to adhere to procedure & process - open comment & hearings.

883 Kosh's Shadow  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 9:35:59am

re: #874 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Hmmm, my spellchecker says that should be "LaRoachian".

The organization of disgusting insects says there's a bug in your spellchecker.


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