Blood libel goes mainstream in Sweden, as the newspaper Aftonbladet publishes a disgusting article claiming that the Israeli army kidnaps and kills Palestinians in order to harvest their organs.
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Occasional Reader Wed, Aug 19, 2009 8:21:33am |
But they've sourced their article from eyewitnesses with impeccable Hamas credentials!
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SasquatchOnSteroids Wed, Aug 19, 2009 8:22:47am |
re: #1 Occasional Reader
But they've sourced their article from eyewitnesses with impeccable Hamas credentials!
The Swedish story is based on Palestinian sources (though the author also claims he has UN sources for it)--like so many slanders of Israel which are widely purveyed. It is easy to forget that the false claim of a Jenin massacre--which received massive coverage in the Western media--was based on an interview with a single Palestinian who nobody even knew.
Palestinians simply told him that the bodies of terrorists or others killed came back with organs missing. Any photos, medical records, documented complaints? Of course not.
Must be twue.
Gees.
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Occasional Reader Wed, Aug 19, 2009 8:23:48am |
To show how typical this is, Radio Sweden has just broadcast once again the claim that Israel murdered Muhammad Dura, a little boy who may or may not have been killed in the Gaza Strip by Israeli or Fatah bullets. The only proof of these claims was a very suspicious video (other parts of which show Palestinians rehearsing for the show) which a French court has determined to be a fraud. That court decision went unmentioned by Swedish radio.
Also, The Atlantic Monthly published a meticulously-researched article demonstrating that Palestinian gunfire almost certainly killed the boy. But repeat a lie often enough... etc.
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cronus Wed, Aug 19, 2009 8:24:00am |
Prediction: despite the grotesque nature of this "article" Jews will not rampage through the streets causing the deaths of hundreds of people and furthermore will not threaten the life of the author, publisher, paper delivery person, etc.
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BlueCanuck Wed, Aug 19, 2009 8:24:01am |
I wonder if the missing organs were brains...
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Sharmuta Wed, Aug 19, 2009 8:24:04am |
The story is based on the arrest of a Jewish man in Brooklyn for selling organs but the news coverage has no hint of any Israeli connection.
So they completely fabricated what they wanted the story to be. And the newspapers wonder why they're losing money.
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Ford_Prefect Wed, Aug 19, 2009 8:24:07am |
Damn, I always Knew Jews were vampires... Wait a minute... My wife is Jewish... Man, I am not going to get any sleep tonight.
///really, is this needed?///
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Kenneth Wed, Aug 19, 2009 8:24:48am |
I don't want to sound like a whiner, but... I did link to this story yesterday in the overnight thread. This story wasn't in the mainstream media.
It would be nice to get a hat tip someday. Just saying'
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MandyManners Wed, Aug 19, 2009 8:25:08am |
The story is based on the arrest of a Jewish man in Brooklyn for selling organs but the news coverage has no hint of any Israeli connection.
I bet I'm not the only one who reckoned such charges would be made.
The Swedish story is based on Palestinian sources (though the author also claims he has UN sources for it)
Lemme' guess: Joe Stork?
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Honorary Yooper Wed, Aug 19, 2009 8:25:27am |
I see European anti-Semitism is alive and well. Abosultely disgusting, IMHO, that this crap would be printed in a newspaper in this day and age after all that Europe went though 60+ years ago.
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lawhawk Wed, Aug 19, 2009 8:26:05am |
Some lies never die. The Jewish blood libel is one of the most vicious ones in existence, and its perpetuation continues to threaten the lives of Jews the world over because it is anti-Semitic in origin and gives rise to still more excuses to attack Jews wherever they are.
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kansas Wed, Aug 19, 2009 8:26:36am |
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Kosh's Shadow Wed, Aug 19, 2009 8:27:05am |
Here's a couple of follow-up stories from The Jerusalem Post:
First, the Israeli Foreign Ministry has complained to Sweden
In this article, the author admits he doesn't know if the story is true or not:
"I have a personal opinion, it concerns me that it's true," Donald Bostrom, who penned the story, told Israel Radio en route to an emergency meeting at the editorial offices Aftonbladet, presumably to discuss the aftermath of the report."I was [present] during the interview that night, I was a witness. It concerns me to the extent that I want it to be investigated," Bostrom told the station. "But whether it's true or not - I have no idea, I have no clue."
He was referring to a Palestinian witness who recounted an incident where a Palestinian was allegedly taken by the Israeli military and his body returned several days later - lacking some internal organs.
Such journalistic standards. Is Aftonbladet Swedish for "Der Sturmer"?
Read the whole article though; the original article is quite disgusting.
And Swedish Jews say the story has been largely ignored within Sweden, and the author is a known anti-Semite.
The president of the official council of Jewish communities in Sweden said Wednesday that the tabloid story alleging that Israel plundered the bodies of Palestinians for organ transplants had not been picked up by other newspapers and therefore has not received much reaction from the Swedish Jewish community."This article is written by one person who is well known as being anti-Israel and anti-Semitic. It doesn't create a lot of reaction in the Swedish public," Lena Posner-Korosi told The Jerusalem Post regarding the Aftonbladet article.
While she wasn't surprised that the author, Donald Bostrom, wrote the piece, she said she was unclear as to why the newspaper would run it.
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Occasional Reader Wed, Aug 19, 2009 8:27:14am |
I suspect Aftonbladet is trying to expand their subscriber base in Malmo.
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Ford_Prefect Wed, Aug 19, 2009 8:27:30am |
re: #11 Honorary Yooper
I see European anti-Semitism is alive and well. Abosultely disgusting, IMHO, that this crap would be printed in a newspaper in this day and age after all that Europe went though 60+ years ago.
Unfortunately history does have a way of repeating itself. People tend to forget the past, or never bother to educate themselves about it. If we, as a people, did learn from the past, then this whole health care debate wouldn't be happening right now.
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Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Wed, Aug 19, 2009 8:27:34am |
re: #7 Sharmuta
So they completely fabricated what they wanted the story to be. And the newspapers wonder why they're losing money.
B-b-b-but, Shar, the newspapers are the guardians of journalistic inquiry in this country. How could you be so HEARTLESS and CRUEL?
/Ugh... Don't get me started.
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samsgran1948 Wed, Aug 19, 2009 8:28:46am |
This would be the time for Israel to send out a whole phalanx of lawyers to sue Aftonbladet into the dirt. Make Aftonbladet prove beyond any doubt whatsoever that this is happening. And when it fails to provide any proof other than hearsay, sue them into oblivion for libel. Lance this sack of poison once and for all. Force the world to see with its own eyes and hear with its own ears the bottomless cesspool of Arab lies and Jew-hatred.
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MandyManners Wed, Aug 19, 2009 8:29:02am |
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KenJen Wed, Aug 19, 2009 8:29:06am |
So much for staying neutral Sweden...not that you ever have.
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hugh_mon Wed, Aug 19, 2009 8:29:07am |
Bad times.
Sigh, it is unfortunate that my reaction to so many items in the news these days, has been reduced to, I don't have enough ammo.
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Occasional Reader Wed, Aug 19, 2009 8:29:09am |
re: #14 Kosh's Shadow
In this article, the author admits he doesn't know if the story is true or not
Well, gosh... in that case,
BREAKING NEWS
Donald Bostrom blows goats
I don't really know if the story is true, but it's an opinion, and so it should be, uh, like, published, or something.
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BlueCanuck Wed, Aug 19, 2009 8:29:35am |
re: #16 SasquatchOnSteroids
EVIL JUICE STOLED MAH LIVR.
Is that what they are calling alcohol these days?
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Sharmuta Wed, Aug 19, 2009 8:29:50am |
At least, though, the competing newspaper, Svenska Dagbladet, has blasted the article which it says is an antisemitic blood libel without a shred of evidence.
That's wonderful. The press needs to monitor each other to keep accuracy the focus. When the press publishes pure fiction/propaganda, they do their countrymen and democratic ideals an injustice.
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MandyManners Wed, Aug 19, 2009 8:30:15am |
re: #14 Kosh's Shadow
Here's a couple of follow-up stories from The Jerusalem Post:
First, the Israeli Foreign Ministry has complained to Sweden
In this article, the author admits he doesn't know if the story is true or not:
He KNOWINGLY printed something that might be a lie?!
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Achilles Tang Wed, Aug 19, 2009 8:30:37am |
In defense of Sweden, I can say with certainty that this kind of crap is hardly shared by all, and I believe not by the majority. We have Daily Kos and the NY Times, to mention but a few; they have papers like this.
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SasquatchOnSteroids Wed, Aug 19, 2009 8:30:46am |
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Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Wed, Aug 19, 2009 8:32:23am |
re: #26 MandyManners
He KNOWINGLY printed something that might be a lie?!
American publishers do this all the time. That doesn't make it right, but it makes it unsurprising.
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Occasional Reader Wed, Aug 19, 2009 8:32:25am |
re: #25 Sharmuta
"Dagbladet!" sounds like a disgruntled exclamation by Walter Brennan.
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mpoulos42 Wed, Aug 19, 2009 8:33:07am |
From the original article, albeit a bad translation:
"I was in the region and worked with a book when I a number of times was contacted by UN staff who were concerned about developments. Those who contacted me was of the opinion that organstold actually took place, but that they were unable to act. On behalf of a television company I travelled then around and spoke with a large number of Palestinian families in the West Bank and the Gaza Strip was of the opinion that their sons have been robbed of bodies before they were killed."
Translation (of the translation):
I talked to some people and they said some things. And now I'm publishing it.
Nice.
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Green Helmet Guy Wed, Aug 19, 2009 8:34:17am |
re: #3 karmic_inquisitor
Ahhh, your refering to: Kurtlar Vadisi Irak (Valley of the Wolves Iraq)
The film features a U.S. Army doctor (Gary Busey) who removes organs from injured civilian prisoners to sell to rich people in New York, London and Tel Aviv for transplantation. At one point, this character discusses religion with Marshall and it is strongly implied that the doctor is Jewish-American.
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Randall Gross Wed, Aug 19, 2009 8:36:04am |
Meanwhile in Cairo's and Karachi's ghettos Muslims really are harvesting the kidneys of the poor for transplant tourism. Where's the outrage?
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yma o hyd Wed, Aug 19, 2009 8:36:27am |
From that link:
'We are not talking about a neo-Nazi rag but a daily closely tied to the Swedish Social Democratic Party.'
(My emphasis)
Its no surprise then: the LLL, even in such 'distinguished' guise as the Swedish Social Democrat Party, has a huge preponderance of Jew Haters, all over the World, not just in Europe.
This is especially saddening because after WWII, some very prominent (Old) Labour politicians were hugely involved in helping Israel through its first years of existence.
Richard Crossman comes to mind ...
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Brutus Wed, Aug 19, 2009 8:36:43am |
Recycling of an urban myth of kidney theft (never happened - ever) to create a blood libel:
"There is absolutely no evidence of such activity ever occurring in the U.S. or any other industrialized country," says the United Network for Organ Sharing. "While the tale sounds credible enough to some listeners, it has no basis in the reality of organ transplantation."
In fact, it's all but impossible for such activities to take place outside properly-equipped medical facilities, UNOS argues. The removal, transport, and transplantation of human organs involves procedures so complex and delicate, requiring a sterile setting, minute timing, and the support of so many highly-trained personnel, that they simply could not be accomplished "on the street," as it were.
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pre-Boomer Marine brat Wed, Aug 19, 2009 8:38:13am |
Way to go Sweden!
(True, it appeared in only one newspaper, but have any other Swedes of note taken that paper to task over it?)
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yma o hyd Wed, Aug 19, 2009 8:38:22am |
re: #35 Brutus
Recycling of an urban myth of kidney theft (never happened - ever) to create a blood libel:
"There is absolutely no evidence of such activity ever occurring in the U.S. or any other industrialized country," says the United Network for Organ Sharing. "While the tale sounds credible enough to some listeners, it has no basis in the reality of organ transplantation."
In fact, it's all but impossible for such activities to take place outside properly-equipped medical facilities, UNOS argues. The removal, transport, and transplantation of human organs involves procedures so complex and delicate, requiring a sterile setting, minute timing, and the support of so many highly-trained personnel, that they simply could not be accomplished "on the street," as it were.
Aww - why come with medical facts when blood libel is so much more useful!
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pre-Boomer Marine brat Wed, Aug 19, 2009 8:41:44am |
re: #26 MandyManners
He KNOWINGLY printed something that might be a lie?!
IMHO, from the politicized point of view, the "fake but accurate" rationalization covers anything which "sounds good", and they have no qualms about it.
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Ed_Gibbon Wed, Aug 19, 2009 8:44:15am |
They are simply building up their bona***fides. It's more geography than anything else, as they don't want to be mistaken for Danes...their buildings aren't fireproof
Image: mo-toon-protest-danish-embassy-torched-lebanon.jpg
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Eowyn2 Wed, Aug 19, 2009 8:44:39am |
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Kenneth Wed, Aug 19, 2009 8:47:43am |
re: #26 MandyManners
But the story vilified the Jews, so it had "truthiness".
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punditra Wed, Aug 19, 2009 8:49:49am |
You think this is bad? Wait til you read my next one about the Israeli soldiers who kill Palestinians and drain their blood to sell to Matzo bakeries.
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Eowyn2 Wed, Aug 19, 2009 8:53:10am |
re: #26 MandyManners
He KNOWINGLY printed something that might be a lie?!
No dear, you have it all wrong. He Knowingly printed something that he hopes people will believe is the truth. Forming a public opinion by perpetuating a lie is merely affecting history. He will go down in history as the great dergrogotator.
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Eowyn2 Wed, Aug 19, 2009 8:55:01am |
re: #23 Occasional Reader
Well, gosh... in that case,
BREAKING NEWS
Donald Bostrom blows goats
I don't really know if the story is true, but it's an opinion, and so it should be, uh, like, published, or something.
you have a reliable nanny goat source.
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Eowyn2 Wed, Aug 19, 2009 8:55:46am |
re: #23 Occasional Reader
Well, gosh... in that case,
BREAKING NEWS
Donald Bostrom blows goats
I don't really know if the story is true, but it's an opinion, and so it should be, uh, like, published, or something.
And thats what made those three billy goats gruff.
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medaura18586 Wed, Aug 19, 2009 8:57:54am |
Uhm,
Where have I heard that line before?
KLA kidnapped Serbian soldiers and civilians to harvest their organs... Yes, that's it.
They all need to get a bit more creative with their fabricated horror stories.
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_RememberTonyC Wed, Aug 19, 2009 8:58:55am |
sounds like a bit of projection taking place on the part of the "sources."
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_RememberTonyC Wed, Aug 19, 2009 9:01:45am |
It's hard not to believe that many in europe know they'll soon be under the thumb of the muslim majority that they (the europeans) have failed to properly integrate into their societies. and they're just polishing up their skills as quislings in hopes of surviving under their new "bosses."
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harrylook Wed, Aug 19, 2009 9:19:07am |
re: #35 Brutus
I'm sorry, but this really happend to me. Someone passed me some of that aphrodisiac Israeli chewing gum you've heard about, and next thing I new, I was laying in a bathtub of ice in a hotel room, and my kidney was missing. Freakin' Jews get you every time.
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Kosh's Shadow Wed, Aug 19, 2009 9:20:36am |
re: #45 Eowyn2
you have a reliable nanny goat source.
He heard it from several reliable goats. They all claim that Billy went off with him and came back, different.
At least that's what they're saying on Tin Can Alley
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bj Wed, Aug 19, 2009 9:21:17am |
Those organs are not kosher, easily rejectable and certainly not table fare. Feh! Yet another blood libel.
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rumcrook Wed, Aug 19, 2009 9:30:38am |
re: #23 Occasional Reader
rooters:
dateline aug 19 09
MAN HAS ORAL SEX WITH GOAT
on good sources we are being told a swedish "journalist" has been found having interspecies oral nookie.
the goat is described as feeling dirty and being emotionally crippled by the event.
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SFGoth Wed, Aug 19, 2009 9:41:31am |
re: #6 BlueCanuck
I wonder if the missing organs were brains...
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How can you harvest what ain't there to begin with?
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ragnwald Wed, Aug 19, 2009 9:43:52am |
Aftonbladet is a tabloid, like "The Sun" or the "Enquirer". Like all tabloids, their headlines are not there for information, but to sell newspapers. A headline like that might sell papers, but isn't really indicative of any serious mainstream acknowledgment.
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SFGoth Wed, Aug 19, 2009 9:44:58am |
Anyone have any links to good pix that lampooned the Absolut campaign a few years ago - the one where California was returned to Mexico or somesuch? I recall it involved swastikas.
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Kosh's Shadow Wed, Aug 19, 2009 9:47:55am |
re: #59 ragnwald
Aftonbladet is a tabloid, like "The Sun" or the "Enquirer". Like all tabloids, their headlines are not there for information, but to sell newspapers. A headline like that might sell papers, but isn't really indicative of any serious mainstream acknowledgment.
That explains it. They don't bother to fact check any stories.
Next week, they'll say jooos are really aliens stealing our organs for some bizarre alien ritual, and the probes are to tell them when the organs are in the right shape.
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SFGoth Wed, Aug 19, 2009 9:49:15am |
LOL, Israel should admit that it harvested his brain and testicles, see how he reacts.
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ORD neighbor Wed, Aug 19, 2009 9:54:52am |
In this case, "new things are old things well forgotten" does not apply... Certainly not well forgotten. Some places need sanity reimposed.
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Mad Mullah Wed, Aug 19, 2009 9:58:56am |
Aftonbladet is the largest daily newspaper in all of the Nordic countries.
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J.S. Wed, Aug 19, 2009 10:06:49am |
There is an excellent text: "Behind the Humanitarian Mask: The Nordic Countries, Israel and the Jews", written by Gerstenfeld...Amazon link here...
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Bryntröll Wed, Aug 19, 2009 10:12:25am |
re: #59 ragnwald
Aftonbladet is a tabloid, like "The Sun" or the "Enquirer". Like all tabloids, their headlines are not there for information, but to sell newspapers. A headline like that might sell papers, but isn't really indicative of any serious mainstream acknowledgment.
I absolutely agree. Their main story today is about a cat killing/torturing actor.
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califleftyb Wed, Aug 19, 2009 10:16:41am |
Found this is wiki: Aftonbladet was labeled "neutral". In 1932 it backed Per Albin Hansson's new Social Democratic government. Just a few years later it realigned with the Liberal Party and turned to advocate liberal politics. Heavily influenced by pro-German staff members, the newspaper supported Germany during World War II.
Once a nazi, always a nazi.
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Eowyn2 Wed, Aug 19, 2009 10:20:04am |
re: #66 Bryntröll
I absolutely agree. Their main story today is about a cat killing/torturing actor.
Did the actor take the organs of the cat?
If not, how can it be torture?
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Eowyn2 Wed, Aug 19, 2009 10:21:35am |
re: #65 J.S.
There is an excellent text: "Behind the Humanitarian Mask: The Nordic Countries, Israel and the Jews", written by Gerstenfeld...Amazon link here...
Did you read the anti-semite review? The books all lies perpetuated by Israelis and Israeli friends. I have a feeling that guy didn't read the book.
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Mad Mullah Wed, Aug 19, 2009 10:26:02am |
re: #67 califleftyb
Once a nazi, always a nazi.
And Sweden was hardly neutral during the second world war. They let the German army roll through their country so that they could attack their neighbors.
The Swedes are also rolling over today and letting the Islamofascists in their country do what they want.
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lostlakehiker Wed, Aug 19, 2009 11:00:21am |
Meanwhile, in the People's Republic of China, prisoners can be executed on schedule to provide a heart for transplant into a paying foreign customer. But does Sweden work itself into a lather over this?
crickets.
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lostlakehiker Wed, Aug 19, 2009 11:03:13am |
re: #70 Mad Mullah
Once a nazi, always a nazi.
And Sweden was hardly neutral during the second world war. They let the German army roll through their country so that they could attack their neighbors.
The Swedes are also rolling over today and letting the Islamofascists in their country do what they want.
Huh? Sweden was neutral on the German side, granted. But I have never read of German troop movements through Sweden into Norway. The Germans invaded Norway from the sea at Oslo and at several northern Norwegian cities, all the way up to Narvik. Why would they have taken the risk and born the price in naval losses, if they could walk in?
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Mad Mullah Wed, Aug 19, 2009 11:06:30am |
re: #72 lostlakehiker
Huh? Sweden was neutral on the German side, granted. But I have never read of German troop movements through Sweden into Norway. The Germans invaded Norway from the sea at Oslo and at several northern Norwegian cities, all the way up to Narvik. Why would they have taken the risk and born the price in naval losses, if they could walk in?
The Germans used Swedish railroads to transport troops.
[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]
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Achilles Tang Wed, Aug 19, 2009 11:09:47am |
re: #70 Mad Mullah
And Sweden was hardly neutral during the second world war. They let the German army roll through their country so that they could attack their neighbors.
You are farting.
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dentate Wed, Aug 19, 2009 11:10:53am |
This libel has a very ancient history. In Against Apion, by Flavius Josephus, written 2000 years ago in defense of the Jews, the author quotes a story current at the time that when Antiochus Epiphanes desecrated the temple during the wars with the Hasmoneans, he found inside it a Greek being fattened for ritual slaughter. Jews made up about 25% of the population of the Eastern Empire in Josephus' time and were actively proselytizing the Greeks. These stories were originally based on fear and jealousy--but they took on a life of their own.
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Mad Mullah Wed, Aug 19, 2009 11:13:13am |
re: #74 Naso Tang
You are farting.
Sweden violated their proclaimed neutrality.
The extent of these transports was kept secret, although spreading rumors soon forced prime minister Per Albin Hansson to admit their existence. Officially the trains transported wounded soldiers and soldiers on leave (permittent-tåg), which would still have been in violation of Sweden's proclaimed neutrality.
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Achilles Tang Wed, Aug 19, 2009 11:26:22am |
re: #76 Mad Mullah
Sweden violated their proclaimed neutrality.
The extent of these transports was kept secret, although spreading rumors soon forced prime minister Per Albin Hansson to admit their existence. Officially the trains transported wounded soldiers and soldiers on leave (permittent-tåg), which would still have been in violation of Sweden's proclaimed neutrality.
A quick search gives this:
When Nazi Germany invaded the Soviet Union in October 1941, Gustav V tried to write a private letter to Hitler thanking him for taking care of the "Bolshevik pest" and congratulating him on his "already achieved victories".(Dagens Nyheter 070729)(*). He was stopped from doing so by the prime minister Hansson. Nevertheless the king sent the message to Hitler (through a telegram by the German embassy in Stockholm) behind the back of the government.
According to Prime Minister Hansson the king had, during a private conversation, threatened to abdicate if the government did not approve of the German request for permission to transfer one armed division (Engelbrecht mountain ranger division) through Swedish territory from northern Norway to northern Finland in June 1941. The accuracy of this claim is debated, and the king's stated intention (if he did in fact make this threat) was to avoid conflict with Germany, according to Hansson (Wahlbäck, Regeringen och kriget. Ur statsrådens dagböcker 1939-41). (*) According to Ernst Wigforss, both Gustav V and Prince Gustav Adolf attempted to persuade the Swedish government to allow the Allies to transport troops through Sweden, though this was rejected by the government because it was felt it would cause retributions from Germany. (*)
It is quite possible there were technical violations of neutrality, on occasions, after all German could have invaded Sweden easily had they wanted to devote the resources; but there were many more saved from Nazis by being able to get to Sweden, including allied soldiers, so you can continue to fart your principles and exaggerations while remembering that it took Japan to convince the USA to oppose the Nazis.
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Mad Mullah Wed, Aug 19, 2009 11:41:43am |
re: #77 Naso Tang
It is quite possible there were technical violations of neutrality, on occasions, after all German could have invaded Sweden easily had they wanted to devote the resources; but there were many more saved from Nazis by being able to get to Sweden, including allied soldiers, so you can continue to fart your principles and exaggerations while remembering that it took Japan to convince the USA to oppose the Nazis.
Sweden letting 2 million German soldiers pass freely through their country is not what I would call a neutral country. And yes, some people were saved by making it over to Sweden, but I don't think that excuses them from providing railroad service for millions of Axis soldiers.
I also think that their past behavior is a sign of how they will act in the future when they will be placating the Islamofascists, which are the new Nazis in town.
In all, close to 100,000 railroad cars had transported two million German soldiers through Sweden by the time the transit agreement was disbanded on 5 August 1943.[1]
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Flavia Wed, Aug 19, 2009 11:45:44am |
re: #59 ragnwald
Aftonbladet is a tabloid, like "The Sun" or the "Enquirer". Like all tabloids, their headlines are not there for information, but to sell newspapers. A headline like that might sell papers, but isn't really indicative of any serious mainstream acknowledgment.
I read The Hubby (tm) this, & his first response was "Ah; Aftonbladet is Swedish for "New York Post"." He also asked if the "journalist" had ever put a poodle in a microwave (& yet he still wonders why I married him!).
Glad to hear it's official trash, but, how many people outside Sweden know this?
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lostlakehiker Wed, Aug 19, 2009 11:58:21am |
re: #78 Mad Mullah
Sweden letting 2 million German soldiers pass freely through their country is not what I would call a neutral country. And yes, some people were saved by making it over to Sweden, but I don't think that excuses them from providing railroad service for millions of Axis soldiers.
I also think that their past behavior is a sign of how they will act in the future when they will be placating the Islamofascists, which are the new Nazis in town.
In all, close to 100,000 railroad cars had transported two million German soldiers through Sweden by the time the transit agreement was disbanded on 5 August 1943.[1]
Sorry, but that number is preposterous. The German occupation force in Norway was never large, and no large fraction of that small total was ever transferred to the East. Two million soldiers? That would be two hundred divisions!
Another point: little nations pay a very steep price for spitting defiance at aggressive ruthless neighbors who hold all the cards. Switzerland allowed German supply and troop trains to transit her rail and tunnel net between Italy and Germany, and also allowed shot-down allied pilots to filter back and rejoin the fight against the Germans. Poland and Yugoslavia fought, which is much to their credit, but the price was ghastly. Sweden may be excused if she flinched from paying that kind of price.
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califleftyb Wed, Aug 19, 2009 12:04:05pm |
re: #77 Naso Tang
The history of Swedish neutrality and collaboration with the Germans during the war is of course open to debate depending on your point of view. Here is some information from the ADL:
"Sweden, like Switzerland, was also deeply concerned about possible German aggression (especially after the occupation of Denmark and Norway, and Finland's entry into the war on the side of the Axis). Some of its policies toward the Reich are open to criticism, but the Swedes acted commendably by providing a safe haven for Danish Jews, and they gradually extricated themselves from Germany's political and economic network after 1943. Judging Sweden by the three categories used to judge Switzerland -- border policies, trade and finance -- we can assert the following. First, though the Swedes permitted the Germans to transport freight through northern Sweden, the nation's border policies were more humane than Switzerland's when it came to the question of refugees. Sweden's crowning achievement, as just noted, was to permit nearly 8,000 Jewish refugees to enter in 1943, and then to protect them. Additionally, approximately 44,000 Norwegians escaped the harsh Nazi occupation of their country by being smuggled into Sweden.22 (Raoul Wallenberg's efforts to rescue Jews in Hungary in 1944 -- he saved upwards of 20,000 Jews from deportation and death by providing them with Swedish passports -- also helped maintain his nation's honor. The Swiss counterpart of Wallenberg was Carl Lutz, who also worked as a diplomat in Budapest during the war and saved Jewish lives by providing protective passports; but Lutz was reprimanded by his government "for having overstepped his authority."23)
However, when it came to trade with the Nazi regime, the Swedes, for a period of time, accommodated themselves to the Reich to an even greater extent than the Swiss did. The Swedish economy was, for a number of years, almost fully integrated into the Nazis' New Order; the country supplied Germany with high-grade iron ore (30 percent of that used by the German armaments industry), as well as ball bearings, foodstuffs, wood, and many other raw materials. In matters of finance, the Swedes cooperated with Germany by providing credit, which allowed the delivery of vast quantities of military equipment to the Wehrmacht. Moreover, after the war, the Swedish central bank, the Riksbank, "examined gold it had received from the Nazis in payment for exports and returned about 13 tons that presumably had been stolen [from] Belgium and the Netherlands."24
The Swedes believed, at least for the first years of the war, that cooperation with Germany was necessary to preserve a precarious neutrality. But after 1943 the Swedish government, heeding Allied warnings about neutrals doing business with Germany, detached the country from the German "political and commercial web," and gradually established closer ties with the Allies.25 There is no doubt that for several years Sweden put its considerable economic resources at the disposal of the Reich; but its behavior in the latter stages of the war removed much of the stigma of collaboration."
fair use [Link: www.adl.org...]
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Mad Mullah Wed, Aug 19, 2009 12:10:05pm |
re: #80 lostlakehiker
Sorry, but that number is preposterous. The German occupation force in Norway was never large, and no large fraction of that small total was ever transferred to the East. Two million soldiers? That would be two hundred divisions!
Norway was occupied right up to the German capitulation of 1945. When the surrender came there were no fewer than 400,000 German troops in Norway, which at that time had a population of barely 4 million.
[Link: www.norway.org...]
Considering that troop traffic went both ways, the figure of 2,000,000 easily makes sense.
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Eretz Wed, Aug 19, 2009 12:14:41pm |
This link at Rubin Reports has been updated: Now Holland's biggest newspaper publishes an interview in which it is claimed that the Jews created swine flu and other flus because they worship Satan. (Pinch yourself, the unbelievable has become routine).
[Link: rubinreports.blogspot.com...]
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Achilles Tang Wed, Aug 19, 2009 12:16:36pm |
re: #78 Mad Mullah
Sweden letting 2 million German soldiers pass freely through their country is not what I would call a neutral country. And yes, some people were saved by making it over to Sweden, but I don't think that excuses them from providing railroad service for millions of Axis soldiers.
I also think that their past behavior is a sign of how they will act in the future when they will be placating the Islamofascists, which are the new Nazis in town.
In all, close to 100,000 railroad cars had transported two million German soldiers through Sweden by the time the transit agreement was disbanded on 5 August 1943.[1]
I'm having trouble finding a source for this estimate, which does surprise me if correct. Every search I do seems to reference the exact same estimate from someone who references someone else. I will continue to look. However that does not warrant your accusation of being Nazis, then or always. Even the rag Aftonbladet has a problem with today's Nazis in the current issue, for what that is worth.
I repeat that, in the beginning of the war there were many Nazi sympathizers in the USA and many more who preferred to deal with them and avoid unpleasantness. It was not until after Pearl Harbor that the USA declared war, and they would not have fired a shot to help Sweden just as they didn't for the rest of Europe at the time, had it been invaded.
In the end the USA showed what it was made of, of course, but your ivory tower rants still sound like farts to me.
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Mad Mullah Wed, Aug 19, 2009 12:24:41pm |
re: #84 Naso Tang
However that does not warrant your accusation of being Nazis, then or always.
I never stated that. If anything, I'd say that they were pushovers.
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MrPaulRevere Wed, Aug 19, 2009 12:29:36pm |
Update from Carl in Jerusalem: Swedish writer 'not sure' his blood libel is true; "I was [present] during the interview that night, I was a witness. It concerns me to the extent that I want it to be investigated," Bostrom told the station. "But whether it's true or not - I have no idea, I have no clue."
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Filala Wed, Aug 19, 2009 1:13:59pm |
re: #5 cronus
Well, maybe they should raise a little hell about this disgusting article.
I think the Jewish community is too quiet when things like this are published. I know, not many Jews in Sweden, but still - they need to answer back. Maybe picket the newspaper headquarters.
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Achilles Tang Wed, Aug 19, 2009 1:19:13pm |
re: #85 Mad Mullah
However that does not warrant your accusation of being Nazis, then or always.
I never stated that. If anything, I'd say that they were pushovers.
You are right in part. It was califleftyb who made the first fart. Post #70 formatting was wrong.
As to pushover, easy for you to say, assuming you were sitting on the sidelines across the Atlantic having philosophical debates about whether small countries surrounded on 4 sides are behaving according to your principles or should commit suicide to avoid your criticism.
You seem to have a terribly hard time getting the gist of my point.
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martinsmithy Wed, Aug 19, 2009 1:31:38pm |
This post is a great example of the fact that, while the right-wingers have taken center-stage in recent months with "death panels" and "nirth certifikits," the far left remains with us and remains as outrageous as ever.
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Hawaii69 Wed, Aug 19, 2009 3:52:41pm |
re: #90 martinsmithy
This post is a great example of the fact that, while the right-wingers have taken center-stage in recent months with "death panels" and "nirth certifikits," the far left remains with us and remains as outrageous as ever.
Sweden to the rescue...
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The Sanity Inspector Wed, Aug 19, 2009 6:11:06pm |
It'd be interesting to hear what Bruce Bawer has to say about this, since he's living there in Scandinavia.
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descolada9 Wed, Aug 19, 2009 6:27:53pm |
This helps to explain why it is that when I debate Swedes online, they are so far left as to be lost somewhere in outer space. These blood libels from the largest newspaper is a disgusting incident. Thankfully, there are still plenty of Swedes who are not lunatic fringers.
Still, I have to wonder if there was any intent to play to the Muslim community of Sweden with this insane article?
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marsl Thu, Aug 20, 2009 5:23:40am |
Maybe it's about time those Jewish lawyers to start suing those blood-libel idiots in all civilized countries (Muslim countries are off, because they are not civilized and because Jews cannot sue in those countries...).
This, of course, will not make those Nazis into normal people, but will make many poor Nazi people. And after seeing one idiot sued, others will think twice before printing anti-Semitic crap.
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Eretz Thu, Aug 20, 2009 9:34:20am |
Update:
1. The main criticism is not against the newspaper publishing the article but Sweden's ambassador to Israel for apologizing in a very careful way and maintaining Sweden's freedom of speech. Where were these people when Sweden's government was censoring the Danish cartoons and pressuring media not to publish them?
2. The editor of the newspaper which published the blood libel accuses critics of representing a "strong propaganda machine" using false claims of antisemitism to prevent coverage of a legitimate story.
For continually updated coverage of this story, see [Link: RubinReports.blogspot.com...]
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zionblog Fri, Aug 21, 2009 12:48:59pm |
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