Farmers Insurance Pulls Beck Ads

Media • Views: 3,639

About 20 major companies have now pulled their advertisements from the Glenn Beck Comedy Hour; the latest to bail out is Farmers Insurance.

However …

A Fox News spokesperson told the Daily News yesterday that “advertisers referenced have all moved their spots from Beck to other programs on the network so there has been no revenue lost.”

… and that means this is a pretty meaningless boycott, since Fox News has no incentive to do anything about Beck’s extremist statements, even if they wanted to.

Jump to bottom

819 comments
1 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 10:18:24am

Smart. Very Smart.

2 Sharmuta  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 10:19:08am

He keeps this up- they'll give his show to Sarah Palin.

3 Kosh's Shadow  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 10:19:31am

re: #2 Sharmuta

He keeps this up- they'll give his show to Sarah Palin.

She'd be better to look at.

4 Killgore Trout  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 10:20:52am

Beck gets a martyr cookie.

5 Baier  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 10:21:54am

Schadenfreude.

6 Honorary Yooper  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 10:22:50am

re: #4 Killgore Trout

Beck gets a martyr cookie.

Martyr Cookie

Yummy.

7 zombie  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 10:23:09am

One of the benefits of being an LGFer is that sometime you get to see things first -- a sneak peek at upcoming brouhahas.

And this is one of those times!

VOLUNTEERS NEEDED!

Here is my latest upcoming zomblog report:

Death Threats Against Bush at Protests Ignored for Years

Give it a look and tell me:

How can it be improved? Any comments, suggestion, criticisms?

Don't be afraid to be harsh: I want to give this a "trial by fire" here in this thread before unleashing it into the wild and wolly world of the Internet. However harsh you may be, it won't compare to the harsh treatment this is going to get at the hands of leftist blogosphere.

So let me have it! Tell me where the report could be improved.

Thanks!

8 MandyManners  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 10:23:13am

Good. Farmers can keep my business.

9 zombie  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 10:23:43am

re: #7 zombie

Comment moved up here from the previous dead thread -- sorry for the re-post.

10 MandyManners  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 10:23:59am

I'm big into boycotting.

11 MandyManners  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 10:24:31am

re: #2 Sharmuta

He keeps this up- they'll give his show to Sarah Palin.

Are you trying to kill Cato?!

12 arethusa  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 10:25:51am

Some days, I tune into Glenn Beck just to see if that's the day he completely loses it.

13 Honorary Yooper  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 10:26:14am

re: #2 Sharmuta

He keeps this up- they'll give his show to Sarah Palin.

That'll send Cato into a tizzy.

14 Ben Hur  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 10:26:23am

Farmers Insurance?

Yeah!

Wait, Farmers INSURANCE?

BOOO!!

Wait, FARMERS Insurance?

Yeah, again!

It's hard following the demonization du jour.

Seriously though, Beck is a buffoon.

15 Last Mohican  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 10:26:37am

re: #12 arethusa

Some days, I tune into Glenn Beck just to see if that's the day he completely loses it.

Hey, ratings are ratings. Fox won't complain.

16 Sharmuta  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 10:27:19am

Beck also lost Best Buy, and CVS. 20 advertisers and counting. Fox isn't losing money since these companies are still advertising on the network, but it might soon be too difficult to fill beck's hour with the necessary ads.

17 Digital Display  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 10:27:35am

Don Hewiit from 60 minutes has died..
RIP

18 Cato the Elder  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 10:27:42am

re: #2 Sharmuta

He keeps this up- they'll give his show to Sarah Palin.

I can't wait.

19 Last Mohican  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 10:28:08am

When I read Charles' text, "Glenn Beck" was green and underlined. When I floated my cursor over it, an advertisement popped up about how biblical prophecies are coming true.

20 Ben Hur  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 10:28:11am

re: #16 Sharmuta

Beck also lost Best Buy, and CVS. 20 advertisers and counting. Fox isn't losing money since these companies are still advertising on the network, but it might soon be too difficult to fill beck's hour with the necessary ads.


Not with his numbers.

Money is king.

21 Irish Rose  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 10:28:20am

re: #12 arethusa

Some days, I tune into Glenn Beck just to see if that's the day he completely loses it.

You too?

22 theheat  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 10:28:23am

We've had Farmer's for a gazillion years. I'm glad to see them lean my way on this one.

If I had my way, Beck would be floated out on an iceberg to total irrelevancy. But a boycott is a nice start.

23 gonecamping  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 10:28:36am

gesundheit.
re: #5 Baier

Schadenfreude.

24 Oh no...Sand People!  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 10:28:58am

re: #7 zombie

Good bloody night. I have seen a lot of those, but some are just outright surreal. I am borderline speechless on the contempt and hatred the Dem's / Left had for the man. Unreal.

25 MandyManners  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 10:29:26am

re: #19 Last Mohican

When I read Charles' text, "Glenn Beck" was green and underlined. When I floated my cursor over it, an advertisement popped up about how biblical prophecies are coming true.

Tech note thread from yesterday will explain it.

26 zombie  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 10:29:40am

re: #24 Oh no...Sand People!

Good bloody night. I have seen a lot of those, but some are just outright surreal. I am borderline speechless on the contempt and hatred the Dem's / Left had for the man. Unreal.

So I take that as a: "Needs no improvement"?

27 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 10:29:40am

So, who will step up?

The left needs his voice, now more than ever.

MSNBC could advertise on Beck. Progressive Insurance. Barbra Streisand probably has a new Christmas album coming out. Michael Moore probably has a movie coming out.

Who else? Jet Magazine?

28 MandyManners  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 10:29:50am

Later, my gators.

29 Sharmuta  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 10:30:04am

re: #18 Cato the Elder

I can't wait.

Damnit! Everyone is waiting for you to meltdown over my comment and you say this? Where's the down dinginess in that? ;)

30 DaddyG  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 10:30:46am

The Lizard Corrollary to Godwin's Law:

"The later in the thread the more likely someone will invoke Sarah Palin as the moment the GOP jumped the shark as a viable political party."

31 arethusa  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 10:30:53am

re: #21 Irish Rose

You too?

We should take shifts! Week on, week off, etc. etc.

32 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 10:31:11am

re: #7 zombie

From the tail end of the last thread, copied here:

re: #513 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Zom,

Looks VERY good. (Read the report, didn't go thru the pictures.)

33 S'latch  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 10:31:21am

Speaking of adds, check out the "infolinks" on LGF.

Cha-ching!

34 Athos  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 10:31:57am

re: #16 Sharmuta

Beck also lost Best Buy, and CVS. 20 advertisers and counting. Fox isn't losing money since these companies are still advertising on the network, but it might soon be too difficult to fill beck's hour with the necessary ads.

I'm sure Glenn would be willing to take Rand Paul's campaign ads if he actually runs for Senate in Kentucky.

35 Oh no...Sand People!  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 10:32:07am

re: #26 zombie

So I take that as a: "Needs no improvement"?

I have no idea what else you could add aside from having actual footage of some moonbat carrying out what they are portraying in real life...

36 Last Mohican  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 10:32:17am

re: #25 MandyManners

Tech note thread from yesterday will explain it.

Yeah, I saw the note about how this is going to happen from time to time. I just think it's interesting that for some reason "Glenn Beck" brings up an ad about bible prophecies.

After I reloaded, "bail out" was green, and brought up an ad from a bail bonds company, offering to get me out of jail. That one seemed somewhat more practical.

37 doppelganglander  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 10:32:22am

re: #18 Cato the Elder

I can't wait.

Because then you could post vicious things about her every day. No, thanks.

38 Shiplord Kirel  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 10:32:30am

re: #4 Killgore Trout

Beck gets a martyr cookie.

Indeed. No doubt the Beckites will spin this as hypocritical censorship by the usual lefty suspects, ignoring his many critics on the right. This is a win/win for us: We can pillory Beck for the jackass he is and his own gang will divert all the backlash onto the Dems.

39 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 10:32:35am

Perhaps the left will hold a telethon.

40 Sharmuta  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 10:32:36am

re: #34 Athos

Yeah! Fox can start running alex jones ads on beck and freedom watch!

41 DaddyG  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 10:32:57am

re: #17 HoosierHoops

Don Hewiit from 60 minutes has died..
RIP

Bob Novak
Don Hewitt
...

Who completes the trio? /

42 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 10:33:40am

re: #41 DaddyG

Danger! Danger Will Robinson...

43 Sheila Broflovski  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 10:34:04am

re: #26 zombie

So I take that as a: "Needs no improvement"?

I think it's good to go.

44 gonecamping  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 10:34:14am

re: #7 zombie

oops, your site is blocked at worked and classified as 'Adult', have to look from home tonight.

45 Irish Rose  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 10:34:44am

Zombie:

The leftists were vicious with George Bush when he was in office, no doubt about it. I'm sure you'll have enough examples of their deranged extremism to fill at least several webpages.

But I have nothing but disgust and contempt for "Alinsky conservatives"... in my humble opinion, they're just as bad and deserve equal exposure.

46 DrNaughty  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 10:35:07am

I sense a Obama conspiracy aginst Fox News, making Beck as it's target.

47 DaddyG  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 10:35:07am

re: #42 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Danger! Danger Will Robinson...


I'm just saying bad things happen in threes. The threat is fake but the sentiment is accurate.

48 Last Mohican  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 10:35:14am

re: #44 gonecamping

oops, your site is blocked at worked and classified as 'Adult', have to look from home tonight.

Somebody must have seen the Folsom Street Parade pictures.

49 Randall Gross  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 10:35:16am

re: #7 zombie

First off you are focusing on the double standard of the media, Yay.
Second: the statement that they were never investigated might be over the top unless you pad it with "that we can discover" or similar disclaimer. We don't know beyond statements that are canned automated responses that some of them were not investigated. (maybe not by the SS, but who knows? hard to disprove a negative.)

50 Dar ul Harb  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 10:35:29am

re: #41 DaddyG

Bob Novak
Don Hewitt
...

Who completes the trio? /

Started with Walter Cronkite, din't?

51 Silvergirl  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 10:36:35am

re: #7 zombie

Standing on my chair applauding.

I read the whole thing. I didn't click on the links yet or I'd still be there. I need some higher praise phrase than "well done."

Thank you for your diligence. I hope this goes far and wide.

52 DaddyG  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 10:36:56am

re: #50 Dar ul Harb

Started with Walter Cronkite, din't?

Good point.

53 jill e  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 10:37:49am

A Fox News spokesperson told the Daily News yesterday that "advertisers referenced have all moved their spots from Beck to other programs on the network so there has been no revenue lost."

54 Ringo the Gringo  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 10:38:11am

re: #7 zombie

Excellent.

I have a feeling that if you added Cheney to the mix you could find quite a few more examples of Lefty death lust.

Like this one, perhaps.

55 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 10:38:12am

re: #47 DaddyG

Oh, I know.

56 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 10:38:18am

Good. And if there are any advertisers who want this sort of audience, they will fill in the open ad spots. That's capitalism. It works.

57 Salamantis  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 10:38:35am

A list of other companies that have boycotted Glenn Beck's Fox Network show so far:

ConAgra, GEICO, Lawyers.com, Men's Wearhouse, Procter & Gamble, Progressive Insurance, RadioShack, Roche, SC Johnson, Sanofi-Aventis, Sargento, State Farm Insurance, Allergan (maker of Restasis), Ally Bank (a unit of GMAC Financial Services), Best Buy, Broadview Security, CVS, Re-Bath, Travelocity and Wal-Mart.

58 DaddyG  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 10:38:38am

re: #53 jill e

A Fox News spokesperson told the Daily News yesterday that "advertisers referenced have all moved their spots from Beck to other programs on the network so there has been no revenue lost."

Shifting the deck chairs on the Titanic.

59 Charles Johnson  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 10:38:39am

re: #19 Last Mohican

When I read Charles' text, "Glenn Beck" was green and underlined. When I floated my cursor over it, an advertisement popped up about how biblical prophecies are coming true.

I saw that one too. Makes perfect sense, because Beck promotes End Times woo on his show.

60 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 10:39:20am

re: #59 Charles

I saw that one too. Makes perfect sense, because Beck promotes End Times woo on his show.

End Times? WHOOO!

61 Ringo the Gringo  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 10:39:21am

Good for Farmers Insurance.

62 Randall Gross  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 10:39:27am

Maybe you are using "investigated" synonymously with reported? Maybe you mean investigated by reporters? I would clear up that ambiguity.

63 Irish Rose  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 10:39:33am

re: #59 Charles

End Times woo

End times what?

64 experiencedtraveller  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 10:40:07am

re: #7 zombie

Well done Zombie. Its an interesting and timely study.

I think you are a bit wordy tho. You make yourself perfectly clear in the first paragraph and then re-explain things later which may be a bit distracting.

65 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 10:40:17am

re: #63 Irish Rose

End times what?

Gosh I love it when smart Lizards make typos.

66 Randall Gross  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 10:40:18am

Farmers is my insurance company, and will continue to be so. WTG

67 Randall Gross  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 10:41:01am

re: #63 Irish Rose

End times what?

Woo... short for "WOO WOO" as in ghosts and spooky supernatural, a term oft used by skeptics

68 Last Mohican  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 10:41:30am

re: #51 Silvergirl

Standing on my chair applauding.

I see that you live or at least used to live in the San Francisco Bay Area...

69 Charles Johnson  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 10:41:43am

Zombie: I have to say, I don't think you can really make the claim that no one was ever arrested for threatening Bush. You can say you've found no reports of anyone being arrested, but unless you get a statement from the Secret Service on that, I don't think you can really claim to know for certain that no one was ever arrested.

70 DaddyG  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 10:41:51am

re: #59 Charles

I saw that one too. Makes perfect sense, because Beck promotes End Times woo on his show.

That puzzles me about Beck to some extent. That stuff just isn't in the mainstream of Mormon thought. We have our Cleon Skousen fans and every congregation has the guy who pours through the scriptures looking for signs the world is soon ending. Sounds like Glenn found himself in that group.

71 Shiplord Kirel  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 10:41:58am

Are these same capitalist exploiters still running ads on the lefty counterpart to Beck, Family Guy?

What?
Beck is a real person and Family Guy is a cartoon?

A distinction without a difference.

72 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 10:42:03am

re: #63 Irish Rose

End times what?

Woo.

Kind of like the Jihadis' 72 virgins, I guess.

73 theheat  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 10:42:09am

re: #63 Irish Rose

"Spookhouse boogyman bullshit" - Hause on Haunted Hill, 1999

74 Randall Gross  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 10:42:30am

In a discussion on defense or strategics "WOO" can also mean "Window of Opportunity".

75 Dianna  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 10:42:36am

re: #19 Last Mohican

When I read Charles' text, "Glenn Beck" was green and underlined. When I floated my cursor over it, an advertisement popped up about how biblical prophecies are coming true.

?!

Wow.

76 lawhawk  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 10:43:04am

re: #7 zombie

See my post in the past thread here. I am looking to find attribution to that photo of the Bush head with the dripping blood as well. Overall, nice job.

77 Irish Rose  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 10:43:16am

re: #67 Thanos

Woo... short for "WOO WOO" as in ghosts and spooky supernatural, a term oft used by skeptics

Thanks for the translation.
It all makes sense now.

78 Randall Gross  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 10:43:27am

re: #69 Charles

Zombie: I have to say, I don't think you can really make the claim that no one was ever arrested for threatening Bush. You can say you've found no reports of anyone being arrested, but unless you get a statement from the Secret Service on that, I don't think you can really claim to know for certain that no one was ever arrested.

Yep, very hard to prove a negative, I recommend a disclaimer as well.

79 gonecamping  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 10:44:08am

OT
If Obama needs lots of money for his 'free' programs, why is his salary czar talking about reducing the amount of money ceos can make? I would think his confiscatory thoughts of taxes would want folks to make more money so he could grab it.

80 Charles Johnson  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 10:44:27am

As a matter of fact -- wasn't there an Islamist who went to the Saudi Academy in Virginia who was arrested for threatening Bush's life?

81 Ben Hur  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 10:44:37am

re: #69 Charles

Zombie: I have to say, I don't think you can really make the claim that no one was ever arrested for threatening Bush. You can say you've found no reports of anyone being arrested, but unless you get a statement from the Secret Service on that, I don't think you can really claim to know for certain that no one was ever arrested.


I thought there were a couple, at least.

82 Silvergirl  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 10:44:38am

re: #68 Last Mohican

I see that you live or at least used to live in the San Francisco Bay Area...

I have read the Chronicle.

83 zombie  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 10:44:57am

re: #32 pre-Boomer Marine brat

From the tail end of the last thread, copied here:

Gotcha.

84 NukeAtomrod  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 10:44:58am

It's the free market in action. Too bad for Beck, but that's the way it goes.

85 Dianna  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 10:45:27am

re: #59 Charles

I saw that one too. Makes perfect sense, because Beck promotes End Times woo on his show.

I feel like I'm flunking pop culture 101 again. I did not know that.

86 Charles Johnson  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 10:45:35am

Yep ... right here:

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

87 zombie  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 10:45:35am

re: #43 Alouette

I think it's good to go.

OK! Thanks.

88 Baier  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 10:45:39am

re: #46 DrNaughty

I sense a Obama conspiracy aginst Fox News, making Beck as it's target.

I can't tell, are you being serious?

89 Randall Gross  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 10:46:07am

re: #80 Charles

As a matter of fact -- wasn't there an Islamist who went to the Saudi Academy in Virginia who was arrested for threatening Bush's life?

Was he at a protest?

90 DaddyG  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 10:46:11am

re: #57 Salamantis

A list of other companies that have boycotted Glenn Beck's Fox Network show so far:

ConAgra, GEICO, Lawyers.com, Men's Wearhouse, Procter & Gamble, Progressive Insurance, RadioShack, Roche, SC Johnson, Sanofi-Aventis, Sargento, State Farm Insurance, Allergan (maker of Restasis), Ally Bank (a unit of GMAC Financial Services), Best Buy, Broadview Security, CVS, Re-Bath, Travelocity and Wal-Mart.

They are definitely interested in making a political statement with this. If they were simply unsatisfied with the show or not getting the bang for their buck when it came to brand loyalty they would simply decline to renew their contract when it came to his show. Are all of these advertisers boycotting or simply not buying ad space because they think other time slots are more lucrative?

91 zombie  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 10:46:31am

re: #44 gonecamping

oops, your site is blocked at worked and classified as 'Adult', have to look from home tonight.

Yeah, those corporate Web blocker thingies all hate me. Got too many boobs and ding-dongs in my reports.

92 jill e  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 10:46:37am

While Glenn Beck drives me crazy, Color of Change—the group encouraging advertisers to shun Beck—was created by James Rucker, a former MoveOn.org organizer

93 Truth Stick  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 10:47:17am

re: #12 arethusa

Some days, I tune into Glenn Beck just to see if that's the day he completely loses it.


If I get the chance I will usually check in on Fox during GB's time slot, mainly to see if he has an on-air meltdown, or in the case that he did, they might put something in his slot, that I could actually watch without wanting to throw the remote at it.

94 gonecamping  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 10:47:31am

re: #91 zombie

Yeah, those corporate Web blocker thingies all hate me. Got too many boobs and ding-dongs in my reports.

Sounds like congress!

95 Coracle  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 10:47:44am

re: #7 zombie

As one who was circumspect about the slant the article would take, I think it's even handed. I still think the chronology of events is something to think about, but that is topic, and does not counter the argument of media silence.

96 blangwort  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 10:47:45am

re: #7 zombie

I like. However, it might have been nice to include some more of the horrible invective that passed for "intelligent leftist discourse." Seeing signs and T-Shirts is good. Reading opinions is also important. Even today, people are trying to re-invoke the Bush years because they never had so much unanimity as when they all agreed that Bush was teh evil.

97 Last Mohican  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 10:48:36am

re: #82 Silvergirl

I have read the Chronicle.

Me too. I enjoyed your reference to the little guy standing on his seat and applauding.

98 Baier  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 10:48:42am

re: #92 jill e

While Glenn Beck drives me crazy, Color of Change—the group encouraging advertisers to shun Beck—was created by James Rucker, a former MoveOn.org organizer

I doubt that Color of Change had much sway in the decision.

99 zombie  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 10:48:45am

re: #49 Thanos

First off you are focusing on the double standard of the media, Yay.
Second: the statement that they were never investigated might be over the top unless you pad it with "that we can discover" or similar disclaimer. We don't know beyond statements that are canned automated responses that some of them were not investigated. (maybe not by the SS, but who knows? hard to disprove a negative.)

True - -but try as I might, I could find no instance or mention anywhere in the media of any of these instances being investigated. And I offer to update my post with any new evidence posted by any reader.

I'm comfortable with my claim, since I give everyone ample opportunity to rebut it.

100 Gus  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 10:50:03am

Guess they can't claim a leftist conspiracy with this. Paul N. Hopkins, Chairman and Bob Woudstra, CEO of Farmers are both Republicans.

101 SixDegrees  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 10:50:05am

re: #16 Sharmuta

Beck also lost Best Buy, and CVS. 20 advertisers and counting. Fox isn't losing money since these companies are still advertising on the network, but it might soon be too difficult to fill beck's hour with the necessary ads.

They're losing money in one of their most lucrative time slots. I have to believe that cancellation is looming.

102 Coracle  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 10:50:23am

re: #63 Irish Rose

re: #59 Charles

End Times woo

End times what?

John Woo is directing an apocalypse movie.

103 Killgore Trout  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 10:50:37am

re: #7 zombie

I'm not digging the whole premise. It's fairly common for people to be detained and questioned at presidential appearances. Very few are actually arrested and even fewer are charged. It happens all the time. Those protest signs are being held by idiots. However, the big difference now is that these guys are showing up to protests armed. Many belong to anti-government militias. Today's protesters present a greater threat and they are more high profile than they were in the past. They seek out the spotlight more effectively than the LLL did in the past.

104 zombie  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 10:50:39am

re: #51 Silvergirl

Standing on my chair applauding.

I read the whole thing. I didn't click on the links yet or I'd still be there. I need some higher praise phrase than "well done."

Thank you for your diligence. I hope this goes far and wide.

I'll take that as a "needs no corrections." Thanks!

105 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 10:50:46am

OT - Gibbs just said the whole White House press corp concocted the "single payer provision removal" story. Even Helen Thomas chimed in on that accusal. There was a groan that moved through the press corp when Gibbs made the statement.

I can't wait for the transcript to get the exact words. What an idiot.

106 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 10:50:46am

re: #102 Coracle

When? Now?

107 vxbush  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 10:51:14am

re: #16 Sharmuta

Beck also lost Best Buy, and CVS. 20 advertisers and counting. Fox isn't losing money since these companies are still advertising on the network, but it might soon be too difficult to fill beck's hour with the necessary ads.

Has anyone mentioned the Hot Air reporting where both these companies were called and freely admitted that they never aired commercials during Beck's airtime? I think it's a stretch to call these "lost ads" when they weren't there to begin with.

108 jill e  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 10:51:33am

re: #98 Baier

I doubt that Color of Change had much sway in the decision.

Color of Change's "featured campaign"

109 Sharmuta  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 10:51:43am

re: #101 SixDegrees

They're losing money in one of their most lucrative time slots. I have to believe that cancellation is looming.

20 advertisers is a lot for one hour to lose, and I imagine more advertisers will join this campaign.

110 gonecamping  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 10:52:25am

Case in point. Florida Today article about a local AARP meeting to discuss the health care reform being attended by concerned senior citizens who DO NOT WANT govt control health care. Readers are allowed to comment on the story and there is a slew of left leaning posters with BDS that turn any article into a rant against Bush and conservatives.

re: #96 blangwort

I like. However, it might have been nice to include some more of the horrible invective that passed for "intelligent leftist discourse." Seeing signs and T-Shirts is good. Reading opinions is also important. Even today, people are trying to re-invoke the Bush years because they never had so much unanimity as when they all agreed that Bush was teh evil.

111 Salamantis  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 10:52:49am

re: #90 DaddyG

They are definitely interested in making a political statement with this. If they were simply unsatisfied with the show or not getting the bang for their buck when it came to brand loyalty they would simply decline to renew their contract when it came to his show. Are all of these advertisers boycotting or simply not buying ad space because they think other time slots are more lucrative?

From what I understand, they are responding to emails from people who claim to use their products or services, threatening to boycott them unless they pull their advertizing from Glenn Beck's show. They don't wanna lose customers over this, when the whole point of advertising is to gain them.

112 vxbush  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 10:52:56am

Zombie: comment sent your way.

113 jill e  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 10:53:16am

James Rucker serves as executive director of ColorOfChange.org. Prior, James served as Director of Grassroots Mobilization for MoveOn.org Political Action and Moveon.org Civic Action and was instrumental in developing and executing on fundraising, technology, and campaign strategies.

114 zombie  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 10:53:25am

re: #54 Ringo the Gringo

Excellent.

I have a feeling that if you added Cheney to the mix you could find quite a few more examples of Lefty death lust.

Like this one, perhaps.

Hoo-boy, I'd have to make a whole new page about Cheney if I were to include him.

After much pondering, I felt the need to limit it exclusively to

Death threats

specifically about

President Bush.

Otherwise, it gets too unwieldy.

But nice pic anyway!

BTW, I think you have more pix in there than any other single photographer. All hail Ringo the Gringo!

115 Baier  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 10:54:05am

re: #108 jill e

Color of Change's "featured campaign"

I'm not saying they didn't campaign, I'm just saying advertisers probably didn't need much persuasion to stop supporting this wacko.

116 Silvergirl  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 10:54:18am

re: #97 Last Mohican

Me too. I enjoyed your reference to the little guy standing on his seat and applauding.

He's definitely not slumped over snoozing in his seat.

117 Randall Gross  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 10:54:26am

re: #99 zombie

True - -but try as I might, I could find no instance or mention anywhere in the media of any of these instances being investigated. And I offer to update my post with any new evidence posted by any reader.

I'm comfortable with my claim, since I give everyone ample opportunity to rebut it.

So don't make it a claim, make it a challenge. Say you can't find evidence that they were ever investigated by authorities, and challenge people to demonstrate that they were. That's terra firma compared to your flat statement. Make the "investigation" by media distinct from that of authorities as well.

118 Truth Stick  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 10:54:33am

I've thought, since the left has such a short memory of all the signs, bumper stickers, and so forth that attacked GWB, that people should just take those old ones, and photochop out Bush, and replace him with Obama. It would be entertaining to watch the condemnation come out against all those bad people, who are trying to destroy our president, while discussing said pictures, mag covers and so forth. Although they would probably forget that they ever existed in previous version.

119 Sharmuta  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 10:54:57am

re: #107 vxbush

Has anyone mentioned the Hot Air reporting where both these companies were called and freely admitted that they never aired commercials during Beck's airtime? I think it's a stretch to call these "lost ads" when they weren't there to begin with.

Did they already have orders with their ad agency about Beck? Because most companies let their ad agency deal with the network, and rarely do they stipulate specific programs to exclude.

120 opnion  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 10:55:59am

Beck could easily have a total breakdown on air.
Mike Ditka used to do a Sunday Night Bears Special on CBS.
People would tune in to see if he was drunk, because he would rant & rave.
Beck is actually sober.

121 freetoken  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 10:56:08am

re: #103 Killgore Trout

I'm not digging the whole premise. It's fairly common for people to be detained and questioned at presidential appearances. Very few are actually arrested and even fewer are charged.


Here was one well known case:

[Link: 74.125.95.132...]

Were they threatening President Bush's life? Don't know, but they were arrested anyway, though the article makes it unclear what real threat the arresting officers perceived.

122 jill e  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 10:56:15am

He's a very popularre: #115 Baier

I'm not saying they didn't campaign, I'm just saying advertisers probably didn't need much persuasion to stop supporting this wacko.

He continues to be a very high ratings "wacko."

123 Randall Gross  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 10:56:20am

Btw: I"m not attacking the article Z, I really like it, just want to strengthen it.

124 Shiplord Kirel  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 10:56:42am

re: #80 Charles

As a matter of fact -- wasn't there an Islamist who went to the Saudi Academy in Virginia who was arrested for threatening Bush's life?

Couldn't find that one but I did come up with many others:January 2008, one Aleksander Aleksov from New Jersey.
April 2008, Indian graduate student arrested for threatening Bush

A variation, this is a 1989 story about a Florida kook being arrested for the threatening the first President Bush.

January 2009, Hammond man arrested for threatening Bush.

August 2004, Florida cop trainee arrested for threatening Bush.

125 Ward Cleaver  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 10:56:56am

re: #105 Walter L. Newton

OT - Gibbs just said the whole White House press corp concocted the "single payer provision removal" story. Even Helen Thomas chimed in on that accusal. There was a groan that moved through the press corp when Gibbs made the statement.

I can't wait for the transcript to get the exact words. What an idiot.

Hugh Hewitt calls him "Dilbert Gibbs". Ouch.

126 Last Mohican  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 10:57:09am

OT: Obama has his faults, but I'll say this for him, he has an incredible talent for irony.

Obama to rally grass roots backers on health care

Tomorrow, Obama is holding a national live online and telephone "strategy meeting," so that he can "organize' the "grass roots" supporters of his health care plan.

He's, like, you know, just trying to fight all that phony, centrally coordinated anti-Obamacare astroturfing.

127 Ringo the Gringo  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 10:57:43am

re: #114 zombie

Thanks, always glad to help.

I have more pictures of Bush 'Wanted Posters', if you're interested.

128 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 10:58:03am

re: #125 Ward Cleaver

Hugh Hewitt calls him "Dilbert Gibbs". Ouch.

And now Gibbs just used the word "quibbled" three times. Is there a list of weasel words that progressive pass out and require their usage as part of the talking points to shoot down questions?

I see these words passed around by progressives all the time... "seething," "raging," "quibbling." These words are the "bees knees" with the left.

129 Ward Cleaver  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 10:58:21am

re: #120 opnion

Beck could easily have a total breakdown on air.
Mike Ditka used to do a Sunday Night Bears Special on CBS.
People would tune in to see if he was drunk, because he would rant & rave.
Beck is actually sober.

"Next question? No!"

"Next question? Yes!"

etc.

etc.

130 quickjustice  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 10:58:28am

Adios, cucaracha!

131 zombie  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 10:58:40am

re: #64 experiencedtraveller

Well done Zombie. Its an interesting and timely study.

I think you are a bit wordy tho. You make yourself perfectly clear in the first paragraph and then re-explain things later which may be a bit distracting.

Well, that's why I have a "Just show us the pictures already!" section right at the top -- to allow people to skip the introduction if they so choose.

I thought long and hard about the wordiness, but in the end regretfully felt it was necessary because I just know that the Left is going to jump down my throat about this, and I needed to neutralize their criticism pre-emptively by stating in no uncertain terms that I am NOT justifying threats against Obama by pointing out unpunished threats against Bush. I think I need to absolutely hammer that point home right at the beginning -- otherwise I will be viciously mischaracterized by my political opponents.

I know it's a bit off-putting to those who just want to get to the good stuff, but I say safety first. The introduction is just me putting on my safety-belt before gunning the accelerator.

132 Coracle  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 10:59:11am

re: #106 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

When? Now?

Sorry. 'Twas Joke

End Times woo -> End Times What? -> End Times : JohnWoo

133 vxbush  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 10:59:27am

re: #119 Sharmuta

Did they already have orders with their ad agency about Beck? Because most companies let their ad agency deal with the network, and rarely do they stipulate specific programs to exclude.

Yes. Link:
[Link: hotair.com...]

134 Baier  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 10:59:56am

re: #122 jill e

He's a very popular

He continues to be a very high ratings "wacko."

No doubt. There are lots of crazy idiots out there. The more idiotic the show, the more wackos the show attracts. I have no respect for someone that can watch or listen to Beck and then say "yeah, that sounds reasonable."

135 Gus  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 11:00:08am

re: #131 zombie

Well, that's why I have a "Just show us the pictures already!" section right at the top -- to allow people to skip the introduction if they so choose.

I thought long and hard about the wordiness, but in the end regretfully felt it was necessary because I just know that the Left is going to jump down my throat about this, and I needed to neutralize their criticism pre-emptively by stating in no uncertain terms that I am NOT justifying threats against Obama by pointing out unpunished threats against Bush. I think I need to absolutely hammer that point home right at the beginning -- otherwise I will be viciously mischaracterized by my political opponents.

I know it's a bit off-putting to those who just want to get to the good stuff, but I say safety first. The introduction is just me putting on my safety-belt before gunning the accelerator.

Zombie,

You might want to browse through these:

[Link: www.google.com...]

136 SixDegrees  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 11:00:34am

re: #107 vxbush

Has anyone mentioned the Hot Air reporting where both these companies were called and freely admitted that they never aired commercials during Beck's airtime? I think it's a stretch to call these "lost ads" when they weren't there to begin with.

If you go to the Best Buy web site and enter "Glen Beck" in their search bar, you'll get a page of ads for "Resident Evil: Apocalypse"

As far as Hot Air goes, I don't find them at all credible these days. If I cared, I'd go look for back up, but the fact that advertisers are deserting Beck in droves is all anyone needs to know.

137 Randall Gross  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 11:01:00am

re: #124 Shiplord Kirel

Couldn't find that one but I did come up with many others:January 2008, one Aleksander Aleksov from New Jersey.
April 2008, Indian graduate student arrested for threatening Bush

A variation, this is a 1989 story about a Florida kook being arrested for the threatening the first President Bush.

January 2009, Hammond man arrested for threatening Bush.

August 2004, Florida cop trainee arrested for threatening Bush.


There you go, that last link was around a Bush visit and probably a protest.

138 Shiplord Kirel  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 11:01:12am

This one got jail time:
Man Sentenced For Bush Threat
This same homeless mental patient had been arrested some years earlier for threatening President Clinton.

139 Last Mohican  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 11:01:19am

re: #116 Silvergirl

He's definitely not slumped over snoozing in his seat.

I agree.

And I always thought it was quite an inspired rating system. Much better than the "three and a half stars" approach.

Here's a link to the Chronicle's online movie reviews, for those who have no idea what we're talking about. Although I must say, the symbols lose something when they're not printed on pink paper.

140 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 11:01:19am

re: #131 zombie

... "Just show us the pictures already!" ...

... I thought long and hard about the wordiness ...

I noticed those (the link, and the wordiness).
I think both are appropriate.

141 Silvergirl  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 11:01:21am

re: #112 vxbush

Zombie: comment sent your way.

I don't know if this comment was yours, but I don't agree.

Right now articles like this, and the general hostility emanating from the right will repel the very voters we need to retake the house.

The general hostility from the right does not equal this article. It was stated and reiterated that Zombie does not support the loons on the right who are screaming Nazi at every turn. It needs to be shown, it is begging to be shown that the MSM turned a blind eye and deaf ear during the Bush White House and are hyper tuned in during the Obama White House.

142 jill e  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 11:01:34am

Even more interesting is the fact that the co-founder of Color of Change is civil rights attorney Van Jones.

In March, President Obama appointed Jones to serve as his so-called "green-jobs czar," responsible for stimulating job growth in the environmental sector.

143 zombie  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 11:01:39am

re: #69 Charles

Zombie: I have to say, I don't think you can really make the claim that no one was ever arrested for threatening Bush. You can say you've found no reports of anyone being arrested, but unless you get a statement from the Secret Service on that, I don't think you can really claim to know for certain that no one was ever arrested.

Well, I'll try to reword it a bit. I do know this: every single instance of every kind of threat to Obama is all over the media, but there is absolutely no mention of any of these threats being investigated anywhere in any media outlet. I searched Lexis-Nexis and Google News Archive extensively and came up empty-handed.

But if someone does find a counter-example -- I will update the post with that info.

Now I'll go see how I can edit that section to make it clearer. Thanks.

144 vxbush  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 11:02:10am

re: #136 SixDegrees

If you go to the Best Buy web site and enter "Glen Beck" in their search bar, you'll get a page of ads for "Resident Evil: Apocalypse"

As far as Hot Air goes, I don't find them at all credible these days. If I cared, I'd go look for back up, but the fact that advertisers are deserting Beck in droves is all anyone needs to know.

I am not disagreeing about deserting Beck. In this case, Ed Morrissey contacted the companies directly. It's original reporting on the issue.

145 zombie  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 11:02:24am

re: #76 lawhawk

See my post in the past thread here. I am looking to find attribution to that photo of the Bush head with the dripping blood as well. Overall, nice job.

Gotcha.

146 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 11:02:56am

re: #132 Coracle

Sorry. 'Twas Joke

End Times woo -> End Times What? -> End Times : JohnWoo

I know. Hence my lame attempt. Apocalypse... Now?

147 Oh no...Sand People!  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 11:03:01am

re: #91 zombie

Yeah, those corporate Web blocker thingies all hate me. Got too many boobs and ding-dongs in my reports.

And yet you refuse to own a gun...
/

148 SixDegrees  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 11:03:08am

re: #122 jill e

He's a very popular

He continues to be a very high ratings "wacko."

Freak shows always attract an audience. The Bearded Lady, Frog Boy, Glen Beck...they all draw a crowd that comes to gawk at the bizarre.

149 zombie  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 11:03:44am

re: #80 Charles

As a matter of fact -- wasn't there an Islamist who went to the Saudi Academy in Virginia who was arrested for threatening Bush's life?

As I say (and give numerous examples of right in the introduction), plenty of people were arrested for threatening Bush in non-protest settings. This essay is just about threats at protests.

150 vxbush  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 11:04:27am

re: #141 Silvergirl

The general hostility from the right does not equal this article. It was stated and reiterated that Zombie does not support the loons on the right who are screaming Nazi at every turn. It needs to be shown, it is begging to be shown that the MSM turned a blind eye and deaf ear during the Bush White House and are hyper tuned in during the Obama White House.

No, that's not my comment.

151 zombie  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 11:04:49am

re: #81 Ben Hur

I thought there were a couple, at least.

I'd love to see the links!

But make sure you read the whole introduction -- especially the section entitled "Some Bush threats followed up as expected — but protest threats ignored."

152 Silvergirl  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 11:04:55am

re: #150 vxbush

No, that's not my comment.

Good.

153 Charles Johnson  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 11:05:05am

re: #142 jill e

Even more interesting is the fact that the co-founder of Color of Change is civil rights attorney Van Jones.

In March, President Obama appointed Jones to serve as his so-called "green-jobs czar," responsible for stimulating job growth in the environmental sector.

Sure, Color of Change is a leftist group. But so what? What they are doing is providing factual material to these advertisers, showing the actual things Glenn Beck says, and asking them to reconsider advertising with the show based on Beck's extreme statements.

I'm not a fan of boycotts in general, or of Color of Change, but the fact that they're a leftist group doesn't automatically turn them into lying demons.

154 SixDegrees  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 11:06:05am

re: #144 vxbush

I am not disagreeing about deserting Beck. In this case, Ed Morrissey contacted the companies directly. It's original reporting on the issue.

I used to have nothing but respect for Ed when he ran Captain's Quarters. Since joining HA, he's descended into the sewer. It's a real pity that someone of his talents has set aside his principles and talents just for a paycheck.

155 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 11:07:03am

re: #143 zombie

Well, I'll try to reword it a bit. I do know this: every single instance of every kind of threat to Obama is all over the media, but there is absolutely no mention of any of these threats being investigated anywhere in any media outlet. I searched Lexis-Nexis and Google News Archive extensively and came up empty-handed.

But if someone does find a counter-example -- I will update the post with that info.

Now I'll go see how I can edit that section to make it clearer. Thanks.

It' just like the progressive complaining that the conservative health care protest are all sponsored by the insurance industries and other big money organizations, yet, except for one or two very small examples, I can't find anyone who can link me to some proof of these statements.

Once again, in my opinion, unless someone can prove different, the death threat stuff is a lot of false flag.

156 zombie  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 11:07:08am

re: #86 Charles

Yep ... right here:

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

I found many such instances of people/madmen/extremists threatening Bush via email/at the White House fence/etc.

I address this issue is this section of the introduction:

Some Bush threats followed up as expected — but protest threats ignored

Were any people ever arrested or questioned for threatening to kill Bush during his term in office? Of course. Every president is the target of numerous threats, and many of them do get investigated. Examples include a man who made verbal threats towards Bush at the White House fence where he left a suspicious package; a student who was quoted in a school publication as saying “I would like to shoot George W. Bush, because in my opinion he is the worst president ever. After that was accomplished, I would be known as a national hero”; a mentally deranged man who threatened to blow up the White House; and so on.

However, all these instances of Bush-threateners being arrested happened outside of a protest setting. This article is about protesters with threatening protest signs — not about all threats in all settings.

157 quickjustice  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 11:07:32am

re: #145 zombie

I like it. I have a couple of questions about the content:

1. I understand your point about the media ignoring death threats against Bush, and how that could skew Secret Service responses. Does the Secret Service report this information (number of documented death threats against the President?) publicly?

2. If we're talking double standards here (as I think we are), is there any evidence that the Secret Service has tightened its criteria for investigations or arrests of death threats to the President under the Obama Administration? Or is it purely a function of a hypocritical media?

158 Killgore Trout  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 11:08:21am

I'm actually concerned that there are too few arrests being made at these protests. Some of these people are seriously dangerous and I'm worried that they aren't being detained and questioned for political reasons. Arresting these guys could easily feed their delusions of government oppression and it could become a powder keg for other nuts.

159 gonecamping  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 11:08:34am

I don't watch Glenn Beck and seldom listen to him anymore because he is losing it.

That said, I would not be surprised if this is an organized effort to silence one of Obama's critics. There does appear to be a grassroots effort to have people tell his advertisers that they will be boycotted if they don't pull the ads.

If Beck would reel himself in and hit on issues w/out ranting and raving, blubbering and sniveling, it would sure be a lot easier to focus on issues and not wonder about the sanity of (perhaps all) people against the policies of the present administration.

160 jill e  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 11:08:44am

re: #153 Charles

Sure, Color of Change is a leftist group. But so what? What they are doing is providing factual material to these advertisers, showing the actual things Glenn Beck says, and asking them to reconsider advertising with the show based on Beck's extreme statements.

I'm not a fan of boycotts in general, or of Color of Change, but the fact that they're a leftist group doesn't automatically turn them into lying demons.

But would it be problematic if the White House had even a tiny bit of influence in this? Again, I can't stand to listen to, let alone watch Glenn Beck, but I do wonder...

161 zombie  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 11:09:37am

re: #95 Coracle

As one who was circumspect about the slant the article would take, I think it's even handed. I still think the chronology of events is something to think about, but that is topic, and does not counter the argument of media silence.

Thanks.

It's hard to compare chronologies, because we'd be comparing two different scales of time. And Bush's presidency took a completely different historical arc than Obama's. The Supreme Court Florida vote challenge, 9/11, the Afghan invasion -- all sorts of stuff intervened to make the first year or two of Bush's term not comparable to Obama's.

162 Dianna  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 11:10:07am

re: #158 Killgore Trout

You're not incorrect about the problem of crazies and how they encourage each other, but I think people have to break the law before they can be arrested. I think the enforcement is just about right.

163 Shiplord Kirel  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 11:10:16am

New York state comptroller Alan Hevesi threatened Bush during his own speech at a college commencement.

“Alan Hevesi publicly apologized today for a ‘beyond dumb’ remark about ‘putting a bullet between the president’s eyes.’ Hevesi hastily called a mea culpa press conference hours after putting his foot in his mouth at the Queens College commencement. The Queens College media relations office said it had videotaped the commencement but could not immediately provide a copy of the tape or a transcript. At the press conference, a contrite Hevesi repeated what he recalled saying in the speech.

The comptroller said he was merely trying to convey that Sen. Charles Schumer has strength and courage to stand up to the president. ‘I apologize to the president of the United States’ as well as to Schumer, said Hevesi. ‘I am not a person of violence. I am apologizing as abjectly as I can. There is no excuse for it. It was beyond dumb.’ Hevesi said he hadn’t been in touch with the White House but he hoped his apology reached President Bush. Hevesi also called his comments ‘remarkably stupid’ and ‘incredibly moronic.’”

Hevesi was not arrested.

164 itellu3times  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 11:10:38am

re: #7 zombie

At a first glance, out fucking standing, z!

165 lawhawk  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 11:10:45am

Back to the original issue at hand - the nature of boycotts and how exactly this is supposed to change Beck or Fox's programming.

It can actually harm the boycotting business more than the entity being boycotted. Who actually loses here with people pulling their ads? The businesses that were running ads there were doing so for a good reason.

Eyeballs. They got viewers to see their ads. No ads - no eyeballs, and no business being driven their way. Fox loses revenues, and Beck could lose his job, but I expect that unless all of his advertisers pull out, Fox will find others more than willing to jump at the time slots.

They aren't going to go to his competition on CNN or MSNBC, because he's got better ratings than them.

In a bad economy, this could be bad business for Farmers and all the rest of those businesses looking at boycotting Beck's show. Can they afford to jump ship?

Mind you, I don't watch Beck (except for his hilarious video breakdown over vampires). I'm solely addressing the issue of the boycott.

166 Coracle  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 11:11:01am

re: #156 zombie

However, all these instances of Bush-threateners being arrested happened outside of a protest setting. This article is about protesters with threatening protest signs — not about all threats in all settings.

I know you cannot be held responsible for how other people will take your article, but it will be waived as a banner for things you do not necessarily agree with by people who will ignore that disclaimer.

167 zombie  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 11:11:07am

re: #96 blangwort

I like. However, it might have been nice to include some more of the horrible invective that passed for "intelligent leftist discourse." Seeing signs and T-Shirts is good. Reading opinions is also important. Even today, people are trying to re-invoke the Bush years because they never had so much unanimity as when they all agreed that Bush was teh evil.

I'd love to include any actual written or recorded audio death threats that you can dig up. But I have a suspicion they are few and far between!

Post any you find, in my comments section. Thanks.

168 Gus  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 11:12:09am

re: #156 zombie

Here's one...

Image: george_bush_murderer.jpg

Notice the last line in the poster.

169 Eowyn2  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 11:12:55am

re: #9 zombie

Comment moved up here from the previous dead thread -- sorry for the re-post.

I just got back from vacation in Zombieland.

Your essay is good. My personal opinion is that you should also throw in some of the verbal posts from DU, KOS, Move-on and Huffpo to show that the threats were not limited to certain areas of the country.

170 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 11:13:10am

re: #162 Dianna

You're not incorrect about the problem of crazies and how they encourage each other, but I think people have to break the law before they can be arrested. I think the enforcement is just about right.

I agree. Law enforcement are experts in this, and there are many factors, especially when dealing with large gatherings, that have to be considered.

Also, you know that not one of these people who have been trying to rattle the authorities have just walked away. You can be sure that enforcement of all sorts is getting everything they need on these people, and they are making decisions based on that data.

No, law enforcement knows what they are doing. This is the safety of the president we are talking about.

I agree with you.

171 Ringo the Gringo  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 11:13:14am

re: #168 Gus 802

Here's one...

[Link: chicago.indymedia.org...]

Notice the last line in the poster.

Good find.

172 JohnnyReb  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 11:13:20am

re: #158 Killgore Trout

I'm actually concerned that there are too few arrests being made at these protests. Some of these people are seriously dangerous and I'm worried that they aren't being detained and questioned for political reasons. Arresting these guys could easily feed their delusions of government oppression and it could become a powder keg for other nuts.

What laws are they breaking to get arrested? Seriously, if they are not breaking any laws the police/Secret Service just can't go around arresting people or dragging them aside for "questioning".

173 jill e  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 11:13:36am

re: #165 lawhawk

Back to the original issue at hand - the nature of boycotts and how exactly this is supposed to change Beck or Fox's programming.

It can actually harm the boycotting business more than the entity being boycotted. Who actually loses here with people pulling their ads? The businesses that were running ads there were doing so for a good reason.

Eyeballs. They got viewers to see their ads. No ads - no eyeballs, and no business being driven their way. Fox loses revenues, and Beck could lose his job, but I expect that unless all of his advertisers pull out, Fox will find others more than willing to jump at the time slots.

They aren't going to go to his competition on CNN or MSNBC, because he's got better ratings than them.

In a bad economy, this could be bad business for Farmers and all the rest of those businesses looking at boycotting Beck's show. Can they afford to jump ship?

Mind you, I don't watch Beck (except for his hilarious video breakdown over vampires). I'm solely addressing the issue of the boycott.

If you hit Charles' link, the article states that the advertisers aren't leaving Fox.

174 Son of the Black Dog  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 11:13:55am

re: #101 SixDegrees

They're losing money in one of their most lucrative time slots. I have to believe that cancellation is looming.

Beck's time slot used to be The Dead Zone. More shows were put in that slot and then canceled than I can remember. Beck is the first person to draw decent ratings at that hour. Other advertisers will come along.

Also, two of the pulled ads were from companies owned by far left individuals: Men's Warehouse and Progressive Insurance, while another is a subsidiary of Government Motors.

175 Dianna  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 11:13:59am

re: #165 lawhawk

I've never much cared for boycotts. I've refused to buy things, but I've never taken part in the organized boycotts, or written an advertiser.

When the memo issue broke, it seemed the right thing to ask of our local news stations what they were doing, and did they approve of this business? But I didn't say I wouldn't watch their news, unless they came out and denounced the memos.

176 Charles Johnson  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 11:14:02am

re: #165 lawhawk

Back to the original issue at hand - the nature of boycotts and how exactly this is supposed to change Beck or Fox's programming.

It can actually harm the boycotting business more than the entity being boycotted. Who actually loses here with people pulling their ads? The businesses that were running ads there were doing so for a good reason.

Eyeballs. They got viewers to see their ads. No ads - no eyeballs, and no business being driven their way. Fox loses revenues, and Beck could lose his job, but I expect that unless all of his advertisers pull out, Fox will find others more than willing to jump at the time slots.

They aren't going to go to his competition on CNN or MSNBC, because he's got better ratings than them.

In a bad economy, this could be bad business for Farmers and all the rest of those businesses looking at boycotting Beck's show. Can they afford to jump ship?

Mind you, I don't watch Beck (except for his hilarious video breakdown over vampires). I'm solely addressing the issue of the boycott.

Apparently, Fox is not actually losing much income from this, because the advertisers haven't pulled their ads from Fox in general, just from Beck's show.

177 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 11:14:41am

Watching the press conference. It takes so much concentration to dig any meaning out of Gibbs' words.

I think, perhaps, this is on purpose.

178 Charles Johnson  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 11:15:12am

re: #176 Charles

Apparently, Fox is not actually losing much income from this, because the advertisers haven't pulled their ads from Fox in general, just from Beck's show.

And this, by the way, means that Fox has no incentive at all to actually do anything about Beck's irresponsible extremism. It's an empty boycott.

179 [deleted]  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 11:15:23am
180 Killgore Trout  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 11:15:29am

re: #172 JohnnyReb

Secret Service just can't go around arresting people or dragging them aside for "questioning".


Yes they can. They do it all the time. They have the obligation to investigate or question anybody who even looks suspicious or potentially dangerous. It's what they do.

181 Oh no...Sand People!  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 11:15:45am

re: #158 Killgore Trout

I'm actually concerned that there are too few arrests being made at these protests. Some of these people are seriously dangerous and I'm worried that they aren't being detained and questioned for political reasons. Arresting these guys could easily feed their delusions of government oppression and it could become a powder keg for other nuts.

Hold on...no snark here, just trying to catch what you mean.

1. Your first 2 sentences are pointing out that you feel there needs to have more arrests.
2. The last sentence says that if you do arrest them it will cause a powder keg for other nuts.

So do you want more arrests? Or fewer due to the 'powder keg' effect? Or you want more arrests to see if it will cause the powder keg effect?

182 zombie  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 11:16:18am

re: #103 Killgore Trout

I'm not digging the whole premise. It's fairly common for people to be detained and questioned at presidential appearances. Very few are actually arrested and even fewer are charged. It happens all the time. Those protest signs are being held by idiots. However, the big difference now is that these guys are showing up to protests armed. Many belong to anti-government militias. Today's protesters present a greater threat and they are more high profile than they were in the past. They seek out the spotlight more effectively than the LLL did in the past.

The whole thing with the armed guys showing up is being conflated with death threats.

The armed guys have never (to my knowledge) threatened anybody, much less Obama. It's a different issue.

I don't like what they're doing, and think they are foolish, but that's not what my essay is about.

I'm talking about unequivocal death threats, not something that requires interpretation or mind-reading.

And as for " It's fairly common for people to be detained and questioned at presidential appearances." Again, I'm not talking about presidential appearances. I'm talking about protests.

My essay starts with an example of some arrested at a protest for carrying a threatening sign about Obama. (Obama was not at the protest.) I use that as the counterpoint against which all my examples are arrayed.

183 Eowyn2  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 11:16:28am

re: #138 Shiplord Kirel

This one got jail time:
Man Sentenced For Bush Threat
This same homeless mental patient had been arrested some years earlier for threatening President Clinton.

3 squares and a cot.

184 Killgore Trout  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 11:17:14am

re: #181 Oh no...Sand People!

My concern is that presidential security is possibly being compromised for political reasons.

185 wrenchwench  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 11:17:54am

re: #180 Killgore Trout

Yes they can. They do it all the time. They have the obligation to investigate or question anybody who even looks suspicious or potentially dangerous. It's what they do.

I know somebody who was asked by the Secret Service to be "out of town" when President Ford was coming for a visit. He complied. This was in Northern California, during the Ford Administration.

186 Dianna  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 11:18:15am

re: #180 Killgore Trout

Yes they can. They do it all the time. They have the obligation to investigate or question anybody who even looks suspicious or potentially dangerous. It's what they do.

I know little about how the Secret Service operates, but I do know that they have to operate within the law. They don't just seize people and interrogate them.

What, exactly, do you want? Law enforcement needs to stay within the law, or it's no longer law enforcement, but acting on suspicion.

187 Eowyn2  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 11:18:21am

re: #96 blangwort

I like. However, it might have been nice to include some more of the horrible invective that passed for "intelligent leftist discourse." Seeing signs and T-Shirts is good. Reading opinions is also important. Even today, people are trying to re-invoke the Bush years because they never had so much unanimity as when they all agreed that Bush was teh evil.


got any kos screen shots?

188 quickjustice  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 11:20:29am

re: #163 Shiplord Kirel

I heard Democratic New York Comptroller Hevesi attack Bush in a public speech on a different occasion in Albany, and use the "bullet between the eyes" phrase, refering to what he'd like to do to the President. The crowd was overwhelmingly Democrat, and they loved the red meat, as Hevesi had anticipated. Hevesi, of course, ended his public career in disgrace as a thief convicted of stealing public funds. IIRC, he did jail time, as he should have. Rough justice yet again.

189 Killgore Trout  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 11:20:50am

re: #182 zombie


The armed guys have never (to my knowledge) threatened anybody, much less Obama.


The guys in New Hampshire was holding a sing referencing shedding the blood of tyrants to water the tree of liberty. That's a direct threat.
The guys in Arizona used that same phrase in the video they made of the even.

Again, I'm not talking about presidential appearances. I'm talking about protests.

That's why a guy protesting in the DC area is more likely to be questioned by the Secret Service than somebody protesting in Berkly. It's just common sense.

190 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 11:22:03am

re: #180 Killgore Trout

Yes they can. They do it all the time. They have the obligation to investigate or question anybody who even looks suspicious or potentially dangerous. It's what they do.

No, what they do is enforce the law, not make law.

191 lawhawk  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 11:22:30am

re: #188 quickjustice

Hevesi resigned and avoided any jail time, but he and his cronies are neck deep in the pension pay to play scandal that involves Hank Morris and others.

192 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 11:22:34am

Gibbs just does not exude confidence. He probably has one "uh" type noise for every word coming out of his mouth.

193 Picayune  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 11:23:51am

re: #120 opnion
, att

Sober, and laughing all the way to the bank. Remember where he came to FOX from - CNN. Think he lost ad revenues there, I don't.

The more impact you have these days, the more they demonize you, unleash 150 reporters to dig up false dirt, file nuance law suits to ham string you, attack you through your advertisers, etc. Beck knows this as well as Sarah Palin, he's prepared for it, and I bet, he's enjoying it all.

Murdock has FNN on fire in ratings these days, and his biz model is working just fine. Beck will be with FOX as long as the biz model is working.

194 quickjustice  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 11:24:34am

re: #191 lawhawk

Thanks for the correction. I suspect that more indictments are to come, and that Pataki or his aides also may be implicated.

195 lawhawk  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 11:25:13am

No cash... for clunkers.

Customers get cash. Dealers get a clunker.

Maryland dealers have submitted $36 million in claims to the feds. Reimbursement rate? 2%.

Two percent.

In Maryland alone, dealers have put in $36 million in claims under the clunkers program but have been reimbursed for only about 2 percent of the total, said Peter Kitzmiller, president of the 325-member Maryland Automobile Dealers Association.
Story continues below ↓advertisement %P% your ad here

"It is ludicrous at this point," Kitzmiller said. "We've got deals that are just sitting there waiting to be reviewed. The customer is gone, the car is gone, and you don't have your money."

Under the program, people who scrap their gas guzzlers can get a voucher worth up to $4,500 toward a new, more fuel-efficient vehicle.

Dealers essentially front the money for the cash incentive with the understanding that the government will reimburse them once they file the necessary paperwork online and the deal is approved.

Fitzgerald Automotive, one of the largest Washington area dealerships, says it is owed $2.7 million from the government. Darcars, another large area dealership, says it is owed $5 million after taking in roughly 1,300 vehicles.

If the government was going to process 250,000 claims under the first $1 billion, how exactly could they have not foreseen the need for more staff to process the claims? They knew the claims would come in. But now, those added positions will be seen as a stimulus job success even though it's growing only the size of government.

196 Gus  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 11:25:19am

re: #189 Killgore Trout

That's why a guy protesting in the DC area is more likely to be questioned by the Secret Service than somebody protesting in Berkly. It's just common sense.

In one of the videos someone makes a joke to Christopher Broughton: you're not going to use that to water the tree of liberty are you?"

197 garycooper  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 11:25:38am

re: #95 Coracle

Just an OT note to you, Coracle, and LVQ: You can't just ignore or dismiss as crackbrained every article on AGW that comes from sites you've labelled "Deniers!" Such as, every site that has some derivation of the word "skeptic" in it, or isn't one approved by or linked to NASA or some other government agency, or any official-sounding outlet that agrees with you.

That is all. For now. :)

198 Aye Pod  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 11:25:53am

There shall now follow a musical interlude...

Just like perfection
Ego alert, flawless
Absolutely flawless

Naturally your entrance is grand
Red carpet rolls out on the side they stand
Worshipping you like a goddess (like a goddess)
Somehow, you've remained modest
Flashbulbs pop, paparazzi goes wild
With amazing grace you walk and smile
They answer to your beck and call
You're flawless
After all overqualified for the position
Your dreams see fruition
Mere class on a higher plane
Everyone wants to know your name

Just like perfection
Needs no correction///

Youtube Video
199 Dianna  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 11:25:54am

re: #189 Killgore Trout

That moves perilously close to treating anyone who quotes Jefferson with suspicion, doesn't it? It's not an uncommon quote.

200 Killgore Trout  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 11:26:16am

re: #196 Gus 802

In one of the videos someone makes a joke to Christopher Broughton: you're not going to use that to water the tree of liberty are you?"

As I recall his response was, "I hope not."

201 turn  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 11:26:24am

re: #7 zombie

"Why? I believe it is part of an ideological bias: most mainstream networks and newspapers tried their best during the Bush administration to portray the anti-war movement as mainstream and moderate; whereas now they are trying to portray the anti-tax and anti-health-care-bill protesters as extremists and as fringe kooks. To achieve these goals, they essentially suppressed any mentions of the violent signage (including threats to Bush) at anti-war rallies, but have highlighted anything that could even conceivably be construed as a threat at anti-Obama events."

Spot on as usual zomb, great work. The only thing I would comment on is that quite a few conservatives seem to be doing a great deal to support the extremist and fringe kook portrayal right now.

202 Gus  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 11:26:48am

re: #200 Killgore Trout

As I recall his response was, "I hope not."

Yeah, something to that effect. Would have to watch it again.

203 theheat  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 11:27:50am

re: #195 lawhawk

They're keeping it green. No employees to handle the reimbursement claims = no carbon footprint. No wasted paper. No old school office light bulbs. No plastic office chairs. No commuter traffic to the workplace.

See, it's green jobs and dealer incentives, all rolled into one.

204 Gus  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 11:28:15am

re: #200 Killgore Trout

As I recall his response was, "I hope not."

Verified. He says just that: I hope not in a surly manner.

Time @ 0.25

205 jorline  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 11:28:16am

re: #7 zombie

Excellent article zombie...well balanced and no mincing of words. Threaten Obama...go to jail, which I support. Threaten Bush...proceed to Go and get a "Get Out Of Jail Free" card.

Thanks

206 wrenchwench  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 11:28:43am

re: #199 Dianna

That moves perilously close to treating anyone who quotes Jefferson with suspicion, doesn't it? It's not an uncommon quote.

"Not uncommon" in daily parlance, but "exceedingly common" among a certain class of nuts.

207 JohnnyReb  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 11:29:23am

re: #180 Killgore Trout

Yes they can. They do it all the time. They have the obligation to investigate or question anybody who even looks suspicious or potentially dangerous. It's what they do.


No they can't do stuff like that., Quit making things up, they have to operate under US law. They don't have super secret powers.

208 zombie  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 11:29:56am

re: #117 Thanos

So don't make it a claim, make it a challenge. Say you can't find evidence that they were ever investigated by authorities, and challenge people to demonstrate that they were. That's terra firma compared to your flat statement. Make the "investigation" by media distinct from that of authorities as well.

Will do. Thanks.

209 Gus  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 11:30:04am

re: #204 Gus 802

0:25 that is. Right here.

210 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 11:30:10am

re: #207 JohnnyReb

No they can't do stuff like that., Quit making things up, they have to operate under US law. They don't have super secret powers.

Ding.

211 kansas  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 11:30:23am

[Link: www.colorofchange.org...]

OK, I know I'm a rube, but something strikes me wrong about an organization that strengthens only Black America's political voice in order to act on pressing issues facing Black America.

212 Killgore Trout  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 11:31:11am

Also another problem with zombie's report. I'd be willing to bet withing an hour I could find a dozen or more Tea Party signs referencing killing Obama. None of which resulted in arrests. It would not be difficult at all.

213 zombie  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 11:31:20am

re: #121 freetoken

Here was one well known case:

[Link: 74.125.95.132...]

Were they threatening President Bush's life? Don't know, but they were arrested anyway, though the article makes it unclear what real threat the arresting officers perceived.

Thanks for that link. I'll look into it and possibly update the report to take it into account.

214 zombie  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 11:31:51am

(And sorry that I've fallen so far behind on this thread -- too much happening at the moment.)

215 kansas  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 11:32:19am

re: #212 Killgore Trout

Also another problem with zombie's report. I'd be willing to bet withing an hour I could find a dozen or more Tea Party signs referencing killing Obama. None of which resulted in arrests. It would not be difficult at all.

I'd sure be interested in seeing those.

216 Coracle  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 11:32:22am

re: #197 garycooper

Just an OT note to you, Coracle, and LVQ: You can't just ignore or dismiss as crackbrained every article on AGW that comes from sites you've labelled "Deniers!" Such as, every site that has some derivation of the word "skeptic" in it, or isn't one approved by or linked to NASA or some other government agency, or any official-sounding outlet that agrees with you.

That is all. For now. :)

Nice drive by. Happy to talk science with you any time. I challenged your most recent linked article on the merits of its science, and I will be happy to look at any other article you care to site.

217 Dianna  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 11:32:36am

re: #206 wrenchwench

"Not uncommon" in daily parlance, but "exceedingly common" among a certain class of nuts.

I've always disliked that quote. However, I deeply dislike Jefferson, so I attribute my antipathy to my prejudice.

218 lawhawk  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 11:32:38am

re: #212 Killgore Trout

Have at it. Expose folks who are threatening the President of the US. They have absolutely no place in politics or discourse. They threaten the life of the President of the US, and while I don't agree with Obama's politics, he's still the President. You have to treat the Office with respect.

219 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 11:32:54am

re: #212 Killgore Trout

Also another problem with zombie's report. I'd be willing to bet withing an hour I could find a dozen or more Tea Party signs referencing killing Obama. None of which resulted in arrests. It would not be difficult at all.

Find me one in 5 minutes? I really would be interested in seeing that. I don't like the tea parties, but I don't remember ever seeing something like that at one of the meetings.

220 Dianna  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 11:33:23am

re: #212 Killgore Trout

Also another problem with zombie's report. I'd be willing to bet withing an hour I could find a dozen or more Tea Party signs referencing killing Obama. None of which resulted in arrests. It would not be difficult at all.

Go for it!

221 Killgore Trout  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 11:34:08am

re: #207 JohnnyReb

They can question anyone they want to at a presidential event. They don't have to get a warrant before hand. They do it all the time.

222 OldLineTexan  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 11:34:10am

re: #207 JohnnyReb

No they can't do stuff like that., Quit making things up, they have to operate under US law. They don't have super secret powers.

That's a funny way to spell "sekrit".

;)

223 Aye Pod  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 11:34:14am

re: #158 Killgore Trout

I'm actually concerned that there are too few arrests being made at these protests. Some of these people are seriously dangerous and I'm worried that they aren't being detained and questioned for political reasons. Arresting these guys could easily feed their delusions of government oppression and it could become a powder keg for other nuts.

I'm sure that is actually part of the motivation.

224 Coracle  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 11:34:20am

re: #216 Coracle

site cite.

PIMP PIMF

225 Charles Johnson  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 11:34:27am

At one of the California protests, they hanged Obama in effigy. Don't have a link handy.

226 zombie  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 11:34:28am

re: #123 Thanos

Btw: I"m not attacking the article Z, I really like it, just want to strengthen it.

No, I want you to attack it! I need a trial by fire to make it strong!

(For example, you may notice that in the acknowledgments at the end I give a hat tip to iceweasel and Jimmah, for being my sparring partners a couple days ago and providing me ahead time with most of the arguments the left will make to oppose this essay.)

227 theheat  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 11:35:42am

re: #223 Jimmah

I think it was totally the motivation for the f'tards showing up in Arizona with their guns. They wanted a confrontation, to be martyrs. Probably some wanted a whole lot more, given their militia connections.

228 garycooper  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 11:35:51am

I'm sensing a minor disconnect, here...is it fine and dandy for a Democrat to cry, like when Bill Clinton showed his sensitive, compassionate side at several points in his presidency? However, when a Rethuglican like Beck cries, even if it is caused by thinking about his own handicapped daughter's condition, it's evidence of insanity?

I don't watch Beck, because I don't watch any political talking-head shows anymore, since the interminable election ate my brain, but I know he's got a lot of people on the right and left worked up these days. He must be doing something right. And wrong.

People I've never been able to stomach, and I suppose Beck would likely be in this group if I tried to watch him:

Rush
O'Reilly
Olbermann
Matthews
Jon Stewart
Cooper
Shuster
Maddow
Hannity

Pompous windbags, the lot of them. The way they've driven political discourse into the dirt in recent years has contributed greatly to the polarization of America into two armed camps that can never be reconciled. I don't know how anyone can stand to listen to them.

229 zombie  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 11:36:31am

re: #124 Shiplord Kirel

Couldn't find that one but I did come up with many others:January 2008, one Aleksander Aleksov from New Jersey.
April 2008, Indian graduate student arrested for threatening Bush

A variation, this is a 1989 story about a Florida kook being arrested for the threatening the first President Bush.

January 2009, Hammond man arrested for threatening Bush.

August 2004, Florida cop trainee arrested for threatening Bush.

I've already got some of those in the report.

To repeat what I say repeatedly in the essay itself:

This is about protests, not non-protest settings. My examples exist simply as a counterpoint to the one example in the first sentence of someone being rightfully arrested at an anti-Obama protest.

230 Gus  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 11:36:31am

re: #225 Charles

At one of the California protests, they hanged Obama in effigy. Don't have a link handy.

Here's one crazy example:

[Link: www.flickr.com...]

[Link: www.flickr.com...]

231 Randall Gross  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 11:36:52am

re: #189 Killgore Trout

That's why a guy protesting in the DC area is more likely to be questioned by the Secret Service than somebody protesting in Berkly. It's just common sense.

The guys in AZ joked about "feeding the tree of liberty" before heading down to the Obama address with their guns. They also joked about protestors holding up "targets" (referring to the signs)

232 Dianna  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 11:36:58am

KT - I'd start with Ringo's pictures from April 15th.

233 JHW  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 11:37:14am

re: #225 Charles

Obama Effigy

234 Kragar  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 11:37:15am

Brought in some left over prime rib. I think I ate too much.

235 Aye Pod  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 11:37:17am

re: #178 Charles

And this, by the way, means that Fox has no incentive at all to actually do anything about Beck's irresponsible extremism. It's an empty boycott.

I think the only thing that would persuade Fox to drop him would be a serious ratings crash. Unfortunately, while his style of populist, extremist ranting may disgust advertisers, it seems to attract viewers.

236 Shiplord Kirel  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 11:37:24am

ACORN's head of operations in Nevada, one Christopher Edwards, has entered a guilty plea in a state voter fraud case. He may not be going to jail though, since he has turned state's evidence and agreed to testify against other Acorn honchoes in similar cases:

ACORN’s shady quota system is illegal in Nevada as well as most states and the Chicago-based community group with strong ties to President Obama faces criminal charges across the nation. As part of Edwards’ guilty plea, he is cooperating with authorities and will testify against several high-ranking ACORN regional officials.

Oh, the pain! Thwarted by a local constable and the state AG before they even had a chance to issue all those black shirts and Chavez-donated AKs the kooks keep warning us about.

237 kansas  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 11:37:25am

re: #229 zombie

[Link: www.nogw.com...]
I liked this.

238 Dianna  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 11:37:42am

re: #225 Charles

At one of the California protests, they hanged Obama in effigy. Don't have a link handy.

They did?

239 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 11:37:52am

re: #230 Gus 802

Here's one crazy example:

[Link: www.flickr.com...]

[Link: www.flickr.com...]

Holloween displays?

240 lawhawk  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 11:37:56am

It looks like the boycott has turned into a ratings bonanza for Beck and Fox. He, and the network overall, are seeing even higher ratings.

It's like the old saw about Howard Stern. Half the people tune in because they like him. The other half tune in to get pissed off at what he has to say so they can report him to the FCC.

241 Kragar  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 11:38:02am

re: #236 Shiplord Kirel

ACORN's head of operations in Nevada, one Christopher Edwards, has entered a guilty plea in a state voter fraud case. He may not be going to jail though, since he has turned state's evidence and agreed to testify against other Acorn honchoes in similar cases:


Oh, the pain! Thwarted by a local constable and the state AG before they even had a chance to issue all those black shirts and Chavez-donated AKs the kooks keep warning us about.

RICO charges hopefully

242 garycooper  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 11:38:06am

re: #216 Coracle

Nice drive by. Happy to talk science with you any time. I challenged your most recent linked article on the merits of its science, and I will be happy to look at any other article you care to site.

No, you dismissed it as being from "a skeptical site." But, we will talk in the future, and you will learn amazing things about the goodness of carbon dioxide, aka "Nature's Candy."

243 zombie  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 11:38:24am

re: #127 Ringo the Gringo

Thanks, always glad to help.

I have more pictures of Bush 'Wanted Posters', if you're interested.

Eh...thery're kind of marginal. I debated including them at all.

If you have any that specifically say "dead of alive," then yes, send them to me. But otherwise, I think I'm already overloaded with them. I even ignored dozens of "Bush Wanted" posters from zombietime.

244 snowcrash  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 11:38:26am

re: #198 Jimmah
You into the ballroom vogue dance scene? That big in the UK?

245 Gus  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 11:38:27am

re: #239 Walter L. Newton

Holloween displays?

JHW found a news story:

[Link: wbztv.com...]

246 Coracle  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 11:38:32am

re: #226 zombie

No, I want you to attack it! I need a trial by fire to make it strong!

(For example, you may notice that in the acknowledgments at the end I give a hat tip to iceweasel and Jimmah, for being my sparring partners a couple days ago and providing me ahead time with most of the arguments the left will make to oppose this essay.)

If you're looking for that, then the left will also come out with an argument - whether or not it is correct - that Obama entered office with a fully congealed nucleus of hate opposing him unlike anything Bush had. It will certainly include race arguments. There will then be much quibbling about whether "Instant Obama Hate" matches "Instant Bush Hate" for having stolen the election.

247 Charles Johnson  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 11:38:43am

re: #240 lawhawk

It looks like the boycott has turned into a ratings bonanza for Beck and Fox. He, and the network overall, are seeing even higher ratings.

It's like the old saw about Howard Stern. Half the people tune in because they like him. The other half tune in to get pissed off at what he has to say so they can report him to the FCC.

That's one reason I said I'm not a fan of boycotts in general - they often backfire.

248 Sharmuta  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 11:39:17am

re: #235 Jimmah

I think the only thing that would persuade Fox to drop him would be a serious ratings crash. Unfortunately, while his style of populist, extremist ranting may disgust advertisers, it seems to attract viewers.

But if no one wants to advertise on his show- they're wasting an hour.

249 theheat  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 11:39:28am

re: #239 Walter L. Newton

How charming. Now there's a bitch.

250 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 11:39:41am

re: #245 Gus 802

JHW found a news story:

[Link: wbztv.com...]

[Link: images.google.com...]

251 zombie  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 11:39:54am

re: #135 Gus 802

Zombie,

You might want to browse through these:

[Link: www.google.com...]

Will do. Thanks.

252 quickjustice  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 11:40:03am

re: #225 Charles

The "honor" of hanging in effigy was bestowed by the Sons of Liberty upon King George III and other British tyrants. It's certainly an insult, but I don't think it's a direct death threat.

And the rhetoric about the "Tree of Liberty" being "watered with the blood of martyrs" also is borrowed from the Sons of Liberty.

I'm not sure the Revolutionary War rhetoric is apt, but it seems to be a favorite of the Paulians.

253 calcajun  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 11:40:07am

You know, with the scurrilous talk of doing away with the the POTUS, I've always wondered if Rod Serling considered a "Seven Days in May" scenario where his villain, General James M. Scott, actually succeeded in his coup d'etat, and what might the consequences have been.

The mood of the people at the time was sharply against the fictional President. But, I wonder what the American public might have done if they suddenly found that their elected CNC had been deposed and replaced with an American Caesar--and supported by a cabal of sycophantic senators and congressmen.

I'd like to ask the folks who cry for the blood of a president just exactly what do they expect would happen in such an eventuality. I doubt that any of them have a clear idea--assuming they have thought that far ahead.

254 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 11:40:17am

re: #249 theheat

How charming. Now there's a bitch.

How charming, politics.

255 Gus  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 11:40:52am

re: #250 Walter L. Newton

[Link: images.google.com...]

I know. There was also the Palin hanging in effigy incident which received a lot of coverage last year.

256 kansas  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 11:40:56am

Well, this was at least AFTER he was out of office.

Youtube Video
257 calcajun  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 11:41:24am

re: #221 Killgore Trout

They can question anyone they want to at a presidential event. They don't have to get a warrant before hand. They do it all the time.

Exactly. If you look like Travis Bickle (Taxi Driver) they are going to approach you and strike up a conversation.

258 lawhawk  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 11:41:34am

re: #225 Charles

One story about an Obama effigy has a video showing Palin hung in effigy. That relates to an effigy hung in Oregon. The Secret Service investigated.

Video showing an effigy hung on the University of Kentucky campus.

259 HippieforLife  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 11:41:39am

re: #98 Baier

Color of Change is certainly taking the credit for it.

I'm not sure I am really comfortable with an organization trying to stifle others. If people are offended by Beck then they just shouldn't watch him. If he shoots himself in the foot, then so be it.

260 Shiplord Kirel  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 11:41:45am

re: #253 calcajun

You know, with the scurrilous talk of doing away with the the POTUS, I've always wondered if Rod Serling considered a "Seven Days in May" scenario where his villain, General James M. Scott, actually succeeded in his coup d'etat, and what might the consequences have been.

The mood of the people at the time was sharply against the fictional President. But, I wonder what the American public might have done if they suddenly found that their elected CNC had been deposed and replaced with an American Caesar--and supported by a cabal of sycophantic senators and congressmen.

I'd like to ask the folks who cry for the blood of a president just exactly what do they expect would happen in such an eventuality. I doubt that any of them have a clear idea--assuming they have thought that far ahead.

Joe Biden's slavishly devoted cult followers are probably responsible.

261 zombie  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 11:41:53am

re: #138 Shiplord Kirel

This one got jail time:
Man Sentenced For Bush Threat
This same homeless mental patient had been arrested some years earlier for threatening President Clinton.

Ah, I already know about that specific case, but decided to exclude it from my list of counter-examples because the guy was completely nuts. it was more about a madman ranting than about political discourse.

262 Honorary Yooper  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 11:41:55am

re: #248 Sharmuta

But if no one wants to advertise on his show- they're wasting an hour.

Maybe, maybe not. If they get enough of a carryover audience, it doesn't matter. They have the audience see the advertisers on the preceeding and succeeding shows. And, instead of Glenn Beck getting only 40-45 minutes in which to be an assclown, he has 55-60 minutes in which to be an assclown with the lack of ads.

Just being a bit cynical here.

263 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 11:42:12am

re: #252 quickjustice

The "honor" of hanging in effigy was bestowed by the Sons of Liberty upon King George III and other British tyrants. It's certainly an insult, but I don't think it's a direct death threat.

And the rhetoric about the "Tree of Liberty" being "watered with the blood of martyrs" also is borrowed from the Sons of Liberty.

I'm not sure the Revolutionary War rhetoric is apt, but it seems to be a favorite of the Paulians.

It's not. It's a public display of hatred, not originally meant as some sort of death threat. Your information above is historically correct.

I suspect that there are a lot of people now a days who see it as only indicating death to someone.

Fine line.

264 Lincolntf  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 11:42:23am

re: #236 Shiplord Kirel

It's about time. Regardless of the politics or the relatively small scale of this offense, it's pretty obvious that that group is full of bad apples and dirty deals.

265 garycooper  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 11:42:42am

re: #246 Coracle

If you're looking for that, then the left will also come out with an argument - whether or not it is correct - that Obama entered office with a fully congealed nucleus of hate opposing him unlike anything Bush had. It will certainly include race arguments. There will then be much quibbling about whether "Instant Obama Hate" matches "Instant Bush Hate" for having stolen the election.

The only "race arguments" I saw in the election were generated by the Left. People don't hate Obama because he's black, aside from a few non-reconstructed psychos on the KKK/Aryan fringe. They hate his extreme socialist agenda, and wild spending-spree at a time when cost-cutting seems to be in order.

266 Shiplord Kirel  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 11:42:58am

re: #261 zombie

Ah, I already know about that specific case, but decided to exclude it from my list of counter-examples because the guy was completely nuts. it was more about a madman ranting than about political discourse.

As you've documented many times, many leftists are completely nuts.

267 Coracle  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 11:42:59am

re: #242 garycooper

No, you dismissed it as being from "a skeptical site." But, we will talk in the future, and you will learn amazing things about the goodness of carbon dioxide, aka "Nature's Candy."

No. Of the two links you gave specifically about ocean warming, I dismissed one because it went to the generic front page of a skeptical site which, when I looked at it mentioned ocean warming studies precisely zero times. The second link was to a comment about a new paper, which I read, and commented on.

268 theheat  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 11:42:59am

re: #255 Gus 802

Also sick. It's all sick.

269 Gus  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 11:43:22am

re: #268 theheat

Also sick. It's all sick.

That's exactly what I was thinking. What a crazy world.

270 Kragar  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 11:43:39am

re: #261 zombie

Ah, I already know about that specific case, but decided to exclude it from my list of counter-examples because the guy was completely nuts. it was more about a madman ranting than about political discourse.

Might want to just note it with that reasoning for completeness

271 calcajun  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 11:43:39am

On Mr. Beck...he is like Limbaugh-- an entertainer. He'll get the hook when his ratings drop or he pisses off Roger Ailes.

272 Killgore Trout  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 11:43:42am

re: #230 Gus 802

Here's one crazy example:

[Link: www.flickr.com...]

[Link: www.flickr.com...]

This stuff is pretty common. It's not difficult to find.

273 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 11:44:01am

re: #255 Gus 802

I know. There was also the Palin hanging in effigy incident which received a lot of coverage last year.

"Political effigies serve a broadly similar purpose on political demonstrations or annual community rituals such as that held in Lewes, on the south coast of England. In Lewes, models of important or unpopular figures in current affairs are burned on bonfire night, alongside an effigy of the Pope. The unpopular or political figures are part of tableaux and are not classed as effigies."

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

But like I siad above, a lot of people now a days probably don't understand the symbolic nature of effigies and see it as being much more odious than it may be.

One needs to be careful.

274 Killgore Trout  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 11:44:17am

re: #238 Dianna

They did?

Yup. They also paraded his head around on a pike.

275 quickjustice  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 11:44:46am

re: #225 Charles

Hanging in effigy of King George III is depicted in the terrific HBO series starring Paul Giamatti and Laura Linney, "John Adams". I highly recommend it.

276 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 11:45:04am

re: #272 Killgore Trout

This stuff is pretty common. It's not difficult to find.

I'm still interested in those "death to Obama" signs that you saw?

277 Spider Mensch  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 11:45:05am

re: #257 calcajun

Exactly. If you look like Travis Bickle (Taxi Driver) they are going to approach you and strike up a conversation.

just tell them your name is Arthur Krinkle when they ask :)

278 [deleted]  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 11:45:24am
279 cybermonk  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 11:45:36am

hey, you all, why don't we root for moveon.org destroy another one of our conservative spokespersons. Sure Beck is a little off the wall, or maybe a lot, thats his schtick. why is it ok to call Beck a loonytoon, and say its ok if George Soros money to be used to destroy him? Why because he makes you uncomfortable? and just who is the squeaky clean, don't insult obama, be nice man you are looking to? sounds like you are wishing for McCain again, that didn't work, did it? You are all becoming "moderates" hear no evil, see no evil and speak no evil. Good luck with that.
Beck did an excellent expose of Acorn and he did a better job exposing them than anyone else did.
It seems that there is a very liberal attitude growing here, fine if you folks want to be afraid to say anything about our beloved leader, ok. You are rooting for the destruction of someone who is on the same side as you, even though he may not believe exactly the way you do, but the last time I checked, george soros was our enemy. Why would I cheer for him to destroy one of us.

280 Honorary Yooper  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 11:45:45am

re: #275 quickjustice

Hanging in effigy of King George III is depicted in the terrific HBO series starring Paul Giamatti and Laura Linney, "John Adams". I highly recommend it.

It wasn't a bad series, but it took too many historical liberties for me to recommend the series.

281 calcajun  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 11:45:59am

re: #273 Walter L. Newton

Could be worse. At least no one has dug up a dead president and stuck his head on a pike like the English did to Oliver Cromwell after the Restoration of Charles II. Talk about peeved.

282 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 11:46:27am

re: #278 buzzsawmonkey


In any event, Bush entered office on a wave of derision, anger, and, yes, hatred at least equal to anything Obama had to deal with. The fact is that to Obama supporters, anything less than blind, gleaming adoration of him was tantamount to "hatred."

Anything less than bowing down to him is a sin.

283 Dianna  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 11:46:40am

re: #233 JHW

re: #263 Walter L. Newton

It's not. It's a public display of hatred, not originally meant as some sort of death threat. Your information above is historically correct.

I suspect that there are a lot of people now a days who see it as only indicating death to someone.

Fine line.

John Jay came back with a treaty with Great Britain, and remarked that he could have found his way from Philadelphia to New York by the light of all his burning effigies.

284 The Left  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 11:46:47am

re: #226 zombie

No, I want you to attack it! I need a trial by fire to make it strong!

(For example, you may notice that in the acknowledgments at the end I give a hat tip to iceweasel and Jimmah, for being my sparring partners a couple days ago and providing me ahead time with most of the arguments the left will make to oppose this essay.)

Cheers zombie-- haven't checked it out yet, forgive me, too much going on. But thanks.

If you really do want criticisms, that's terrific and I can bring them-- some of the issues are being raised here already, I see.

285 garycooper  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 11:46:59am

re: #267 Coracle

No. Of the two links you gave specifically about ocean warming, I dismissed one because it went to the generic front page of a skeptical site which, when I looked at it mentioned ocean warming studies precisely zero times. The second link was to a comment about a new paper, which I read, and commented on.

If you say so. I'll hunt it down later. Maybe my link was wrong.

286 Sharmuta  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 11:47:06am

re: #279 cybermonk

conservative spokespersons

Neither of these words describe beck. He's not conservative, and he cries instead of speaking.

287 Coracle  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 11:47:13am

re: #278 buzzsawmonkey

You make my point for me. I was merely pointing out this a the kind of argument that will be raised. I was not taking a side in it.

288 Honorary Yooper  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 11:47:19am

re: #283 Dianna

re: #263 Walter L. Newton

John Jay came back with a treaty with Great Britain, and remarked that he could have found his way from Philadelphia to New York by the light of all his burning effigies.

Heh. It's a long-standing American tradition.

289 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 11:47:26am

re: #281 calcajun

Could be worse. At least no one has dug up a dead president and stuck his head on a pike like the English did to Oliver Cromwell after the Restoration of Charles II. Talk about peeved.

And then they left it there, what, 20 years, it became almost part of the landscape, a tourist attraction.

290 turn  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 11:47:37am

re: #234 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Brought in some left over prime rib. I think I ate too much.

turn dinged ya kragar because that is what I had at the anniversary dinner last night. Man it was good, but I couldn't believe the restaurant didn't have any really hot horseradish. The hottest they had was just plain mild. I like the stuff that literally makes your eyes water. Guess what, I left my friggen left overs at home when I went to work this morning.

291 Dianna  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 11:47:52am

re: #274 Killgore Trout

Yup. They also paraded his head around on a pike.

Link?

We seem to keep finding the same pictures of that woman in Redondo Beach's tasteless "Halloween decoration."

292 zombie  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 11:48:35am

re: #157 quickjustice

I like it. I have a couple of questions about the content:

1. I understand your point about the media ignoring death threats against Bush, and how that could skew Secret Service responses. Does the Secret Service report this information (number of documented death threats against the President?) publicly?

2. If we're talking double standards here (as I think we are), is there any evidence that the Secret Service has tightened its criteria for investigations or arrests of death threats to the President under the Obama Administration? Or is it purely a function of a hypocritical media?

1. The only report I have is the one saying there was a big increase of reported threats against Obama. But generally the Secret Service doesn't say much at all. The information we get on the topic comes through the media, and rarely if ever directly from the Secret Service.

2. I leave that up to the reader to decide, and make no claims either way. Hypocritical media, tightened criteria, double standards -- I simply don't know. Just lay out the evidence and let the readers come to their own conclusions.

293 Sharmuta  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 11:48:40am

re: #274 Killgore Trout

Yup. They also paraded his head around on a pike.

Were they arrested?

294 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 11:49:03am

re: #281 calcajun

Could be worse. At least no one has dug up a dead president and stuck his head on a pike like the English did to Oliver Cromwell after the Restoration of Charles II. Talk about peeved.

Reminds me of the Cadaver Synod, when poor old Pope Formosus's corpse was dug up & put on trial, not once, but twice!

295 Aye Pod  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 11:49:10am

re: #244 snowcrash

You into the ballroom vogue dance scene? That big in the UK?

Well, I thought this thread has been turned into something of a catwalk, so why not have some catwalk music.

296 calcajun  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 11:49:20am

re: #289 Walter L. Newton

And then they left it there, what, 20 years, it became almost part of the landscape, a tourist attraction.

Kooky English and their wild sense of fair play, eh.

297 zombie  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 11:49:38am

re: #158 Killgore Trout

I'm actually concerned that there are too few arrests being made at these protests. Some of these people are seriously dangerous and I'm worried that they aren't being detained and questioned for political reasons. Arresting these guys could easily feed their delusions of government oppression and it could become a powder keg for other nuts.

Agreed.

But that only strengthens my point: More focus on anti-Obama protesters than there was about anti-Bush protesters.

298 Dianna  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 11:49:50am

re: #272 Killgore Trout

This stuff is pretty common. It's not difficult to find.

Everybody's linked to the same story, just different aspects of it.

299 Kragar  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 11:49:56am

re: #290 turn

turn dinged ya kragar because that is what I had at the anniversary dinner last night. Man it was good, but I couldn't believe the restaurant didn't have any really hot horseradish. The hottest they had was just plain mild. I like the stuff that literally makes your eyes water. Guess what, I left my friggen left overs at home when I went to work this morning.

Brought the au jus, but couldn't find the horseradish or hot mustard. Kids ate all the yorkshire pudding, so it was just me and 1+ lbs of beef goodness. The last portion is sitting on my desk mocking me now.

300 Lincolntf  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 11:50:02am

re: #294 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

They had no choice! The first time he was just being obstinate.

301 zombie  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 11:50:32am

re: #164 itellu3times

At a first glance, out fucking standing, z!

At least somebody likes it!

302 Ringo the Gringo  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 11:50:41am

Not a death threat, but a call for Bush to be waterboarded.

303 theheat  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 11:50:41am

re: #279 cybermonk

That's assuming a majority of people consider Beck one of "our" conservative spokespersons, as you do.

A lot of (conservative) people have stepped off the crazy train, because they don't want to go along for the ride into the sunset of hysteria and insanity. Apparently, you do. You're happy to pick through the crazy and the bullshit to find something applicable, and ignore all the over-the-top stuff.

Hey, fly and be free. It's all yours.

304 [deleted]  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 11:50:46am
305 skiflorida  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 11:51:12am

re: #57 Salamantis

A list of other companies that have boycotted Glenn Beck's Fox Network show so far:

ConAgra, GEICO, Lawyers.com, Men's Wearhouse, Procter & Gamble, Progressive Insurance, RadioShack, Roche, SC Johnson, Sanofi-Aventis, Sargento, State Farm Insurance, Allergan (maker of Restasis), Ally Bank (a unit of GMAC Financial Services), Best Buy, Broadview Security, CVS, Re-Bath, Travelocity and Wal-Mart.

Thanks for the list Salamantis. Add "Lizards from LGF" to it and you have a Very interesting group... exactly which side of the political spectrum are they on?

306 [deleted]  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 11:51:37am
307 calcajun  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 11:51:48am

re: #297 zombie

Yes, but keep in mind that some of these protesters go there for the express purpose of getting arrested. The cops do not want to be bothered with the paperwork--and they certainly don't want to encourage more people the act like idiots.

308 Gus  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 11:51:54am

California bans threatening noose displays
(AP) – Aug 6, 2009

SACRAMENTO, Calif. — California law already bans threatening displays of swastikas and burning crosses. Now add nooses to the list.
On Thursday, Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger signed legislation making such displays punishable by up to a year in jail and a fine of up to $5,000.
The bill by Democratic Assemblywoman Wilma Carter of Rialto would make it a misdemeanor to hang a noose on someone else's property or at a school or workplace.

She introduced the bill after noose hangings were displayed in several Halloween decorations last year. Two such displays were effigies of then-Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama and GOP vice presidential candidate Sarah Palin.

The law, which takes effect Jan. 1, will not ban displays by a homeowner, which are considered constitutionally protected speech.

309 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 11:52:09am

It's a really good thing that the people going to those protests all those years were not Republican-style haters, or there could have been some really tacky, atrocious signs.

///

310 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 11:52:13am

re: #288 Honorary Yooper

Heh. It's a long-standing American tradition.


"Damn John Jay. ... Damn everyone that won't put up the lights in the windows and sit up all nights damning John Jay"

311 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 11:52:17am

re: #288 Honorary Yooper

Heh. It's a long-standing American tradition.

Yes, but you are not going to get the progressives to admit to that, or admit that in general, burning an effigy is not wishing death on someone.

Yes, I imagine some people would wish death on Obama, even an unhealthy number of people. But, are we going to chip away at every ounce of freedom of speech just to make sure we don't "unbalance" someone who is already on the verge of being pushed over the edge.

No, that's no way to run a free society. We have laws, carefully molded over the years, to make sure that people have the ability to speak their minds without the government stifling them.

And we have laws that will stop someone from speaking their minds, when they go too far and break the laws.

But, until that point, whether is be protestors, crazy people, advertisers, whatever, they have the right to upset us, everyone of us if they want, and we have the right to tell them that we don't like it.

Nothing more.

312 Dianna  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 11:52:20am

re: #279 cybermonk

Beck is not one of mine.

Thank you.

313 Aye Pod  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 11:52:24am

re: #248 Sharmuta

But if no one wants to advertise on his show- they're wasting an hour.

True - if they lose too many advertisers, the viewers are worthless.

314 Killgore Trout  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 11:52:37am

re: #293 Sharmuta

Nope.

315 Sheila Broflovski  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 11:52:40am

re: #239 Walter L. Newton

Holloween displays?

There was also a Halloween display of Sarah Palin hanged.

316 Eowyn2  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 11:52:54am

re: #158 Killgore Trout

I'm actually concerned that there are too few arrests being made at these protests. Some of these people are seriously dangerous and I'm worried that they aren't being detained and questioned for political reasons. Arresting these guys could easily feed their delusions of government oppression and it could become a powder keg for other nuts.

I think you are painting with too broad of a brush. I agree that carrying weapons to a protest rally is juvenile and stupid but I can't agree that just because someone is juvenile and stupid they are necessarily a threat to the President or anyone else.

I also agree that there are probably a few dangerous loonies in these groups as well. The psychopaths will gravitate towards those people he/she feels will be 'most like' themselves but also feel that they are better than the loonies around them.

The Extreme Left and the Extreme Right bring the circle complete (explains why Nirthers and Truthers get along so well) and both groups are going to have a few psychos though I firmly believe that they are a small part of the overall group. The more outlandish the claim/signage of a person, the more press coverage they get and the less likely they are to actually do something dramatic.

As my daddy used to quote:
"Fools' names, like fools' faces, Are often seen in public places."
~ ~ ~ Thomas Fuller

I would hope that the SS is quietly investigating the members of these groups and that the Federal Marshalls office has not one but a few dozen of these groups infiltrated. Just as I would hope that they have Jihad groups, Ecopsychos etc infiltrated. If, after all this country has been through with terrorists from both ends of the wire, the SS does not have these folks on file, I would be utterly amazed.

317 zombie  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 11:53:05am

re: #166 Coracle

I know you cannot be held responsible for how other people will take your article, but it will be waived as a banner for things you do not necessarily agree with by people who will ignore that disclaimer.

I stated my disclaimer as loudly and as repeatedly as I could. That's all I can do. Do I suppress information because there might be crazies who misconstrue it? If that's the criteria for self-suppression, then no one would ever be allowed to say a single word.

318 Kragar  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 11:53:10am

re: #308 Gus 802

California bans threatening noose displays
(AP) – Aug 6, 2009

Can we hang little ties with maps of Sicily on them?

/

319 The Left  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 11:53:17am

re: #295 Jimmah

Well, I thought this thread has been turned into something of a catwalk, so why not have some catwalk music.

Youtube Video
320 quickjustice  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 11:53:17am

re: #280 Honorary Yooper

In a culture where all historical memory has evaporated, anything graphically illustrating the struggle of the Founding Fathers for American independence against overwhelming odds is welcome, even if not correct in every detail. The scenes of Franklin in the hot tub with the French aristocrat were not literally true, but certainly sketched the rough picture quickly.

321 kansas  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 11:53:19am

One of the Obama's remains popular. From my local paper, which by the way used to have Molly Ivin's column. Drove me crazy. She was only slightly better than Maureen Dowd, who along with Krugman have taken her place.

Image: 24422_MichelleObamaDoll-web.jpg

322 Sharmuta  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 11:53:20am

re: #314 Killgore Trout

Nope.

Imagine that.

323 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 11:53:21am

re: #291 Dianna

Link?

We seem to keep finding the same pictures of that woman in Redondo Beach's tasteless "Halloween decoration."

Still waiting for pictures?

324 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 11:53:44am

re: #315 Alouette

There was also a Halloween display of Sarah Palin hanged.

Horrors. I'm offended.

325 zombie  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 11:53:55am

re: #168 Gus 802

Here's one...

[Link: chicago.indymedia.org...]

Notice the last line in the poster.

Excellent! Will add! Thanks mucho.

326 turn  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 11:54:17am

re: #299 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Brought the au jus, but couldn't find the horseradish or hot mustard. Kids ate all the yorkshire pudding, so it was just me and 1+ lbs of beef goodness. The last portion is sitting on my desk mocking me now.

go for it! I'll munch on mine when I get home, that reminds me - I'm out of horseraddish at home, I'll stop by the store. If you ever make it to sac try the Buggy Whip on Fulton Ave. Only better prime rib I've eaten was down in San Antonio.

327 garycooper  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 11:54:20am

re: #286 Sharmuta

Neither of these words describe beck. He's not conservative, and he cries instead of speaking.

He just sits there crying, for an hour every night?

Man, I'd better tune in. That sounds more entertaining than the usual pontificating blowhards. I might reminisce about times gone by, people I've lost, mistakes I've made, and cry right along with him.

329 Killgore Trout  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 11:54:37am

re: #298 Dianna

Everybody's linked to the same story, just different aspects of it.

It was the John and Ken sponsored tea party in California. Michelle Malkin linked to video and pics. If you have doubts you can search for it yourself. Many of us discussed it here at the time.

330 Daniel Ballard  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 11:54:48am

Just wait-The last remaining advertisers will be all about male enhancement with "smiling Bob" and PSA's on medical reform.

331 Sharmuta  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 11:54:53am

The gun nuts at the Obama town halls were not arrested either, correct?

332 Gus  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 11:54:54am

re: #325 zombie

Excellent! Will add! Thanks mucho.

YW

Indymedia would the place to find this stuff. Was also looking though Infoshop but didn't find anything. Also search through Flickr.

333 calcajun  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 11:54:57am

re: #299 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Enjoy.

My tale of woe is that I smoked a brisket for the family this weekend. Started on Saturday night and transferred it to the oven about midnight. Long slow cook till dinner on Sunday. In the meantime--I get the stomach flu. Family enjoys BBQ goodness while I converse with the toilet. I still can't really look at food.

334 zombie  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 11:55:13am

re: #169 Eowyn2

I just got back from vacation in Zombieland.

Your essay is good. My personal opinion is that you should also throw in some of the verbal posts from DU, KOS, Move-on and Huffpo to show that the threats were not limited to certain areas of the country.

Good idea, but...I'm all out of free time.

If you or anyone can dig up such posts or comments, feel free to post them in the comments section under the essay. Thanks!

335 Coracle  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 11:55:33am

re: #304 buzzsawmonkey

I was just reminding people of the history. The "Shrub" stuff was ubiquitous until 9/11--I actually had people correct me if I used Bush's name, as if "Shrub" was what you had to call him.

Since that was years ago, and memories are elastic, I thought it appropriate to furnish a reminder--and to give credit to Molly Ivins, where it is due, for starting it.

I hated Shrub, and thought it was disrespectful and counterproductive. Just as much as I hate "Zero" "The One" and all the other derogatoriness. The latter are, by the way, ubiquitous here.

336 _RememberTonyC  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 11:55:48am

beck rhymes with dreck.

dreck  /drɛk/
–noun Slang.
1. excrement; dung.
2. worthless trash; junk.
Also, drek.
---
Origin: 1920–25; < Yiddish drek; c. G Dreck filth; cf. OE threax, ON threkkr excrement

337 gonecamping  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 11:56:05am

re: #330 Rightwingconspirator

Just wait-The last remaining advertisers will be all about male enhancement with "smiling Bob" and PSA's on medical reform.

Those Bob commercials used to have me laughing ...have not seen one in a long time.

338 Kragar  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 11:56:38am

re: #333 calcajun

Enjoy.

My tale of woe is that I smoked a brisket for the family this weekend. Started on Saturday night and transferred it to the oven about midnight. Long slow cook till dinner on Sunday. In the meantime--I get the stomach flu. Family enjoys BBQ goodness while I converse with the toilet. I still can't really look at food.

Last time we had a brisket, the wife forgot to turn the oven down after the preheat, but left it in for the full time. The brisket ended up a brick.

339 redstateredneck  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 11:56:43am

re: #7 zombie

One of the benefits of being an LGFer is that sometime you get to see things first -- a sneak peek at upcoming brouhahas.

And this is one of those times!

VOLUNTEERS NEEDED!

Here is my latest upcoming zomblog report:

Death Threats Against Bush at Protests Ignored for Years

Give it a look and tell me:

How can it be improved? Any comments, suggestion, criticisms?

Don't be afraid to be harsh: I want to give this a "trial by fire" here in this thread before unleashing it into the wild and wolly world of the Internet. However harsh you may be, it won't compare to the harsh treatment this is going to get at the hands of leftist blogosphere.

So let me have it! Tell me where the report could be improved.

Thanks!

Excellent! Did you include the movie, "Death of a President", the Bush assassination flick?

340 calcajun  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 11:56:48am

re: #308 Gus 802

California bans threatening noose displays
(AP) – Aug 6, 2009

What about "friendly" non-threatening noose displays?

341 Eowyn2  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 11:57:27am

re: #195 lawhawk

nobody ever looks at the manpower needs.
the healthcare debacle is the same thing. It has to be administered.

Is is just me or does the 'Co-Op' aproach sound a lot like Hillary Care?

342 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 11:57:29am

re: #337 gonecamping

Those Bob commercials used to have me laughing ...have not seen one in a long time.

The don't mention that the side effects include a permanent horrific smile, like one of victims of The Joker's laughing poison.

343 Gus  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 11:57:55am

re: #340 calcajun

What about "friendly" non-threatening noose displays?

You mean like playing hangman? Notice of course that it's still protected for homeowners.

344 [deleted]  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 11:57:56am
345 Lincolntf  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 11:57:56am

re: #340 calcajun

What about "friendly" non-threatening noose displays?

No noose is good noose.

346 kansas  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 11:58:13am

re: #340 calcajun

What about "friendly" non-threatening noose displays?

Like hate crimes are bad but love crimes are not so bad?

347 zombie  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 11:58:16am

re: #188 quickjustice

I heard Democratic New York Comptroller Hevesi attack Bush in a public speech on a different occasion in Albany, and use the "bullet between the eyes" phrase, refering to what he'd like to do to the President. The crowd was overwhelmingly Democrat, and they loved the red meat, as Hevesi had anticipated. Hevesi, of course, ended his public career in disgrace as a thief convicted of stealing public funds. IIRC, he did jail time, as he should have. Rough justice yet again.

I would love to see a link about that!

348 turn  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 11:58:42am

re: #338 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Last time we had a brisket, the wife forgot to turn the oven down after the preheat, but left it in for the full time. The brisket ended up a brick.

I hate that when that happens, that and having something undercooked come serving time.

349 Kenneth  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 11:59:00am

Speaking of comedy shows...

Monty Python to reunite in NYC


The five surviving members of Britain's Monty Python comedy troupe reunite for a 40th anniversary gala in New York, where they will accept a British award and help launch a documentary.

The British Academy of Film and Television Arts (BAFTA) announced Wednesday it's presenting its Special Award to the comedy group whose sketch show, Monty Python's Flying Circus, was first broadcast on Oct. 5, 1969.

John Cleese, Terry Gilliam, Eric Idle, Terry Jones, and Michael Palin are to attend the event on Oct. 15. The sixth Python, Graham Chapman, died in 1989

350 quickjustice  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 11:59:11am

re: #289 Walter L. Newton

Didn't King Charles II order Cromwell's entire corpse disinterred and hanged on London Bridge as a regicide? Or am I misremembering? I think the Lord High Protector now is back in Westminster Abbey, IIRC.

351 turn  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 11:59:18am

re: #339 redstateredneck

yeah it was in there red, toward the end.

352 [deleted]  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 11:59:20am
353 calcajun  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 11:59:21am

re: #338 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

been there--done that.

The best one I ever did--and I have not been able to repeat the feat--is when one of my over-eager kids turned the oven off before they went to bed. Lost eight hours of cook time. Turned oven on to 250 and got the internal temp back up to about 190-200 for a few minutes.

Pulled beef--it just fell apart.

354 gonecamping  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 11:59:49am

Bet they serve Spam...


re: #349 Kenneth

Speaking of comedy shows...

Monty Python to reunite in NYC

355 redstateredneck  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 12:00:00pm

re: #351 turn

yeah it was in there red, toward the end.

Thanks, missed it. Should know that zombie would not have missed including that total piece of crap!

356 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 12:00:04pm

OT--my son was doing service at the local civic center plaza. They've erected a little plaque dedicating the place (either the center or the plaza, I'm cool with both) to the mayor who just left office.

Can I just say for a minute how happy I was with the man's tenure? While our neighboring city had a mayor who was picking fights with Nike* and putting cameras on the lights** our city really seemed to prosper, with a new library, civic center, a terrific new arts center, etc. It really seemed to be a city government that saw itself as working for us, not against us.

I yell about government so much that I just wanted to step up and say when I thought something went right.

*On the list of people I'd like to pick a fight with, Phil Knight is near the bottom of the list

**The city has the worst timed lights you can imagine.

357 theheat  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 12:00:10pm

re: #340 calcajun

Something kid-friendly. PG. Soft ropes, a quick release knot, no blood or gore. Something the whole family can get behind.

//

358 turn  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 12:00:27pm

re: #345 Lincolntf

No noose is good noose.

As to the difficulty of that pun, it was a cinch.

359 jcm  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 12:00:30pm

re: #345 Lincolntf

No noose is good noose.

Is the plural of noose, nice?

360 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 12:00:36pm

re: #350 quickjustice

Didn't King Charles II order Cromwell's entire corpse disinterred and hanged on London Bridge as a regicide? Or am I misremembering? I think the Lord High Protector now is back in Westminster Abbey, IIRC.

Yep.

361 Coracle  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 12:00:59pm

re: #344 buzzsawmonkey

To be fair, "The One" comes from Obama's own "we are the ones we have been waiting for" rhetoric, and from the blind, gibberin adulation that his supporters accord him.

Turning his own rhetoric back upon him is not the same as coining and popularizing a neener-neener name.

To truly be fair, turning an inclusive, collective statement into a monomaniac self proclamation is not turning rhetoric back.

362 KingKenrod  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 12:01:12pm

The boycott does matter because Fox has only X amount of commercial time per day, and if they have to lower rates during Beck's show to attract advertisers, it's a problem. But as long as Beck draws an audience, it's not that big of a problem because it is unlikely they could replace Beck with another show and still get at least the boycott-induced reduced rates that Beck (may) be getting now.

363 Ringo the Gringo  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 12:01:18pm

re: #329 Killgore Trout

It was the John and Ken sponsored tea party in California. Michelle Malkin linked to video and pics. If you have doubts you can search for it yourself. Many of us discussed it here at the time.

At that same "tea party" an effigy of Arnold Schwarzenegger was decapitated...oddly enough by a woman who I know quite well. She's the wife of one of my oldest and closest friends, and a life long Democrat.

364 Gus  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 12:01:50pm

re: #347 zombie

I would love to see a link about that!

Here's one...

[Link: gothamist.com...]

365 Dianna  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 12:02:02pm

re: #323 Walter L. Newton

Still waiting for pictures?

Yes.

366 Sharmuta  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 12:02:20pm

re: #362 KingKenrod

The boycott does matter because Fox has only X amount of commercial time per day, and if they have to lower rates during Beck's show to attract advertisers, it's a problem. But as long as Beck draws an audience, it's not that big of a problem because it is unlikely they could replace Beck with another show and still get at least the boycott-induced reduced rates that Beck (may) be getting now.

Two words- Sarah Palin.

367 calcajun  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 12:02:42pm

re: #352 buzzsawmonkey

Like those vending boxes for the daily noosepapers?

Knot funny. Some of the better puns must have slipped you mind.

368 Kragar  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 12:02:44pm

re: #359 jcm

Is the plural of noose, nice?

neese or noosen?

369 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 12:02:48pm

re: #366 Sharmuta

Two words- Sarah Palin.

Well, she'd cry less.

370 garycooper  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 12:02:58pm

re: #349 Kenneth

Speaking of comedy shows...

Monty Python to reunite in NYC

Cleese needs the money, after his disastrous divorce. You think he was walking funny before? (Ministry Of Silly Walks)
[Link: www.popeater.com...]

371 gonecamping  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 12:03:13pm

Probably the 'forced labor' initiatives they plan on implementing, some become enforcers, others administer his 'free' programs.


re: #341 Eowyn2

nobody ever looks at the manpower needs.
the healthcare debacle is the same thing. It has to be administered.

Is is just me or does the 'Co-Op' aproach sound a lot like Hillary Care?

372 Kragar  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 12:03:15pm

re: #367 calcajun

Knot funny. Some of the better puns must have slipped you mind.

Another pun thread? I'm a frayed knot.

373 [deleted]  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 12:03:16pm
374 Gus  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 12:03:22pm

re: #347 zombie

I would love to see a link about that!

The video apology and includes the comment...

Youtube Video
375 zombie  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 12:03:28pm

re: #189 Killgore Trout

The guys in New Hampshire was holding a sing referencing shedding the blood of tyrants to water the tree of liberty. That's a direct threat.

No, that's not a direct threat: that's a vaguely menacing statement that could be interpreted as being implicitly threatening.

Look at the photos in my report. People are coming right out and saying "KILL BUSH." That is a direct threat.

Are you saying that vaguely menacing statements displayed at an anti-health-care rally should be investigated, while unequivocally direct threats at anti-war rallies should be ignored?

376 Aye Pod  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 12:03:33pm

re: #331 Sharmuta

The gun nuts at the Obama town halls were not arrested either, correct?

Not only were they not arrested, they were given support by this republican congressman:

Youtube Video
377 jcm  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 12:03:40pm

re: #367 calcajun

Knot funny. Some of the better puns must have slipped you mind.

Hang around long enough, any thread is a pun thread.

378 Dianna  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 12:04:01pm

re: #329 Killgore Trout

It was the John and Ken sponsored tea party in California. Michelle Malkin linked to video and pics. If you have doubts you can search for it yourself. Many of us discussed it here at the time.

Let's see it. You're the one who said you could come up with many examples of threatening signs toward Obama. You have yet to provide a link.

Let's have it.

379 quickjustice  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 12:04:16pm

re: #347 zombie

It was a live appearance to a government reform group in Albany. I'm pretty sure no cameras or taping devices were present. I can't remember if I blogged about it at the time. I'll check.

As another commenter pointed out earlier in this thread, Hevesi was busted when he made the same remark at a public commencement ceremony at C.U.N.Y. I'll link that for you.

380 KingKenrod  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 12:04:23pm

re: #331 Sharmuta

The gun nuts at the Obama town halls were not arrested either, correct?

Did they threaten to kill the President? I also think they notified the police about their "demonstration" beforehand.

381 Coracle  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 12:04:32pm

re: #373 buzzsawmonkey

I'm sorry, but I watched Obama during the campaign, and have watched him since, and "monomaniacal self-proclamation" describes him to a T.

Then I guess derogatory namecalling is OK for you then. As long as its not your guy.

382 Sharmuta  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 12:04:35pm

re: #369 EmmmieG

I think it would be a perfect gig for her. CNN or MSNBC could pick her up too, in a display of "fairness", and I bet she'd beat Beck in a head-to-head. Republicans still seem charmed by her- I think she'd do well in punditry.

383 Gus  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 12:04:39pm

re: #377 jcm

Hang around long enough, any thread is a pun thread.

Pretty soon we'll descend into some gallows humor.

384 turn  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 12:04:41pm

re: #355 redstateredneck

Thanks, missed it. Should know that zombie would not have missed including that total piece of crap!

I even went and watched the assassination scene on youtube - disgusting. Zomb is right on about the bias in the MSM and how they actively did their best to bring down Bush. I think the MSM's objection to the war wasn't so much on philosophical grounds but simply a tactic to attack Bush.

385 Dianna  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 12:04:54pm

re: #363 Ringo the Gringo

At that same "tea party" an effigy of Arnold Schwarzenegger was decapitated...oddly enough by a woman who I know quite well. She's the wife of one of my oldest and closest friends, and a life long Democrat.

Did you get pictures?

386 zombie  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 12:05:24pm

re: #201 turn


Spot on as usual zomb, great work. The only thing I would comment on is that quite a few conservatives seem to be doing a great deal to support the extremist and fringe kook portrayal right now.

Sad but true.

387 quickjustice  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 12:05:26pm

re: #374 Gus 802

Thanks for saving me the time, Gus!

388 jcm  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 12:05:37pm

re: #383 Gus 802

Pretty soon we'll descend into some gallows humor.

We should drop it then...

389 Shiplord Kirel  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 12:05:56pm

re: #241 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

RICO charges hopefully

Acorn's quota/incentive method of voter registration was apparently used all over the country, even though it is illegal in most states. This would indicate at least a tacit consensus to break the law. I think a RICO case is warranted, but that would require action from the Holder Justice Department.
At the very least, GOP campaign ads can make good use of both the scandal and Holder's inaction next year.

390 turn  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 12:06:10pm

re: #372 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Another pun thread? I'm a frayed knot.

You can't hang, man.

391 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 12:06:29pm

re: #390 turn

You can't hang, man.

Can't we just suspend this discussion?

392 BlueCanuck  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 12:07:15pm

re: #383 Gus 802

Pretty soon we'll descend into some gallows humor.

Well it has me laughing all the way through...

393 zombie  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 12:07:22pm

re: #212 Killgore Trout

Also another problem with zombie's report. I'd be willing to bet withing an hour I could find a dozen or more Tea Party signs referencing killing Obama. None of which resulted in arrests. It would not be difficult at all.

PLEASE DO SO!

That would be important if you could find them. Post the links here or at zomblog.

394 jcm  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 12:07:36pm

re: #391 EmmmieG

Can't we just suspend this discussion?

Nah, that would just leave it twisting in the wind.

395 garycooper  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 12:07:43pm

re: #381 Coracle

Then I guess derogatory namecalling is OK for you then. As long as its not your guy.

What's derogatory about "The One?" I think Obama likes that name. Plus, if the shoe fits, you may as well get on the good foot, Cinderella.

396 Killgore Trout  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 12:07:46pm

re: #365 Dianna
Since you're too lazy/stupid to find them yourself...
Image: 616_12426180401.jpg

There are plenty of pics and videos of the event. It gets tiresome spoonfeeding this crap to people who will ignore the evidence anyways. I don't know why I bother. It's pointless.

397 zombie  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 12:08:18pm

re: #225 Charles

At one of the California protests, they hanged Obama in effigy. Don't have a link handy.

Would love to see it.

398 jcm  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 12:08:22pm

re: #395 garycooper

What's derogatory about "The One?" I think Obama likes that name. Plus, if the shoe fits, you may as well get on the good foot, Cinderella.

The Won...

399 turn  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 12:08:23pm

re: #391 EmmmieG

Can't we just suspend this discussion?

Why stop it now, it's going at break neck speed.

400 eschew_obfuscation  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 12:08:44pm

re: #368 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

neese or noosen?


Noosowsos!

401 redstateredneck  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 12:08:51pm

re: #379 quickjustice

It was a live appearance to a government reform group in Albany. I'm pretty sure no cameras or taping devices were present. I can't remember if I blogged about it at the time. I'll check.

As another commenter pointed out earlier in this thread, Hevesi was busted when he made the same remark at a public commencement ceremony at C.U.N.Y. I'll link that for you.


So he said it on more that one occasion, but only apologized when it was taped.
Typical.

402 sattv4u2  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 12:08:57pm

re: #396 Killgore Trout

Since you're too lazy/stupid to find them yourself...
[Link: cdn.ccomrcdn.com...]

There are plenty of pics and videos of the event. It gets tiresome spoonfeeding this crap to people who will ignore the evidence anyways. I don't know why I bother. It's pointless.

That's beneath you KT

403 lawhawk  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 12:09:06pm

re: #349 Kenneth

Cleese will be there, and he'll be walking funny as the Minister of Silly Walks, but it has nothing to do with his ministerial duties. It will be the result of his divorce proceedings from his 3d wife.

404 jill e  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 12:09:10pm

August 16, 1841
Tyler is burned in effigy outside White House

On this day in 1841, President John Tyler vetoes a second attempt by Congress to re-establish the Bank of the United States. In response, angry supporters of the bank gathered outside the White House and burned an effigy of Tyler. The protestors were comprised primarily of members of Tyler’s own political party, the Whigs, who dominated Congress at the time.

The first federal U.S. Bank, created by Alexander Hamilton and set into place by George Washington in 1791, provided a repository for federal funds and issued currency. However, beginning with President Thomas Jefferson, who opposed the idea of a national bank as "unconstitutional," anti-Federalists in Congress chipped away at the bank’s power and importance. In 1811, President James Madison and Congress let the bank’s charter expire. Although a second Bank of the United States was implemented in 1819 during James Monroe’s presidency, successive attempts by different Congresses to re-charter the second bank were denied by Presidents Andrew Jackson, in 1832, and Martin Van Buren, in 1837. Tyler, as a senator during Jackson’s tenure, had originally condemned Jackson’s attempts to nullify the bank as an "abuse of executive power." However, as president in 1841, President Tyler, faced with a U.S. economy plagued by wildly fluctuating currency valuation and bank fraud, made an about-face and "betrayed" the Whigs, declaring the U.S. bank a threat to individual states’ rights. When word of the veto spread, the bank’s Congressional supporters flew into a collective rage and stormed out of the Capitol toward the White House.

The rioters hurled stones at the White House, shot guns into the air and hung an effigy of the president that they then set on fire. The protest is considered one of, if not the most violent demonstration held near the White House. As a result of the unrest, the District of Columbia decided to create its own police force.

405 garycooper  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 12:09:21pm

re: #391 EmmmieG

Can't we just suspend this discussion?


Ah'm gonna pun-chew...

406 _RememberTonyC  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 12:09:38pm

re: #382 Sharmuta

I think it would be a perfect gig for her. CNN or MSNBC could pick her up too, in a display of "fairness", and I bet she'd beat Beck in a head-to-head. Republicans still seem charmed by her- I think she'd do well in punditry.

If Sarah Palin were to do something like this, she could not carry it off by herself. It's much harder than you think. She would need to be out there with someone on the left as a co-host where she could be in a debate format. But the danger for her would be if the lefty were smarter than she is. She needs to be certain her co-host would not make her look bad.

407 Lincolntf  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 12:09:58pm

re: #368 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Don't say "Neese"! Please.

Apparently, "Neese's Liver Pudding" is a popular something where I live. I've seen (and been mildly repulsed by) their TV ads for a while, but found myself face-to-face with some in the cooler case at the supermarket the other day.
Liver Pudding?
In what kind of world would people eat that?

408 Shiplord Kirel  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 12:10:10pm

re: #331 Sharmuta

The gun nuts at the Obama town halls were not arrested either, correct?

Nope. Their actions were not illegal.
Otoh, I happened to ask my hard-core survivalist and gun rights friend Ben what he thought of the episode. He hadn't heard of it but exclaimed "That's stupid!" when I told him the details.

409 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 12:10:20pm

A few years ago, as we were driving through the neighborhood, I looked at some of the decor on some of the houses as we passed, and asked my husband, "Would you mind if I hung some plants on the porch?'

Pause.

"Okay, but do you know the right knot?"

It was a good thing I wasn't drinking anything at the time.

410 redstateredneck  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 12:10:31pm

re: #384 turn

I even went and watched the assassination scene on youtube - disgusting. Zomb is right on about the bias in the MSM and how they actively did their best to bring down Bush. I think the MSM's objection to the war wasn't so much on philosophical grounds but simply a tactic to attack Bush.

Before the war he was the dumbass cokehead rich kid.

411 jcm  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 12:10:36pm

re: #405 garycooper

Ah'm gonna pun-chew...

Now, now don't unravel!

412 zombie  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 12:10:38pm

re: #230 Gus 802

Here's one crazy example:

[Link: www.flickr.com...]

[Link: www.flickr.com...]

Ah, I remember that.

And I also remember the deafening outcry in the media and the blogosphere. Further confirming my point.

But thanks -- will definitely add that one.

413 redstateredneck  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 12:11:06pm

re: #410 redstateredneck

Before the war he was the dumbass cokehead rich kid.

Draft dodger...can't forget that.

414 Oh no...Sand People!  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 12:11:08pm

re: #396 Killgore Trout

Since you're too lazy/stupid to find them yourself...
[Link: cdn.ccomrcdn.com...]

There are plenty of pics and videos of the event. It gets tiresome spoonfeeding this crap to people who will ignore the evidence anyways. I don't know why I bother. It's pointless.

Is that Dick Clark?
/

415 sattv4u2  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 12:11:26pm

re: #406 _RememberTonyC

I was going to same the same general thing. She would have to be part of a duo (think Hannity/Colmes or the old Cross Fire) to make it work, at least for a season or two.
Amazing how people think you can just get in front of a camera day in and day out and do it!

416 turn  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 12:11:28pm

re: #410 redstateredneck

Before the war he was the dumbass cokehead rich kid.

Don't forget alcoholic ...

417 aggieann  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 12:11:37pm

Here's more on the Russian cargo shipped that disappeared:

[Link: www.nytimes.com...]

The official version of events was questioned by Yulia Latynina, a leading Russian opposition journalist and commentator.

"The Arctic Sea was carrying something, not timber and not from Finland, that necessitated some major work on the ship," she wrote in the Moscow Times newspaper on Wednesday.

During two weeks of repair works in the Russian port of Kaliningrad just before the voyage, the ship's bulkhead was dismantled so something very large could be loaded, she wrote.

"To put it plainly: The Arctic Sea was carrying some sort of anti-aircraft or nuclear contraption intended for a nice, peaceful country like Syria, and they were caught with it," she said.

418 zombie  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 12:11:38pm

re: #233 JHW

Obama Effigy

Gotcha. Good.

419 Ringo the Gringo  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 12:11:44pm

re: #385 Dianna

Did you get pictures?

I wasn't there, but here is a video:

Youtube Video
420 calcajun  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 12:12:07pm

re: #372 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Another pun thread? I'm a frayed knot.

Some might make a bowline for the exit.

421 redstateredneck  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 12:12:11pm

re: #390 turn

You can't hang, man.

What, you thought you had the puns all tied up?

422 Dianna  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 12:12:21pm

re: #396 Killgore Trout

1) I wasn't around when those threads were up.

2) You're the one who made the claims about finding so very many.

3) As always, it's put up or shut up.

423 turn  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 12:12:23pm

re: #411 jcm

Now, now don't unravel!

If MM was here she would tell you to go piss up a rope for that comment.

424 Sharmuta  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 12:12:34pm

re: #402 sattv4u2

Bullshit- he's right. No one wanted to listen to him about the tea parties, but even TFK now thinks their full of kooks.

He showed all of you months ago! And you didn't care. You called him names, and bullied him and ignored every link he put up as if it was going to burn you.

You GO, Killgore.

425 Kragar  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 12:12:50pm

re: #407 Lincolntf

Don't say "Neese"! Please.

Apparently, "Neese's Liver Pudding" is a popular something where I live. I've seen (and been mildly repulsed by) their TV ads for a while, but found myself face-to-face with some in the cooler case at the supermarket the other day.
Liver Pudding?
In what kind of world would people eat that?

The same people who think Spotted Dick is edible

426 Aye Pod  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 12:12:56pm

re: #319 iceweasel

I found the proper video for 'flawless' - it's well...flawless:)

Youtube Video
427 OldLineTexan  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 12:13:06pm

re: #380 KingKenrod

Did they threaten to kill the President? I also think they notified the police about their "demonstration" beforehand.

As a gun nut, being lumped in with nuts with guns makes me all seethish.

/

428 calcajun  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 12:13:23pm

re: #392 BlueCanuck

That's why we sprung it on you.

429 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 12:13:48pm

re: #396 Killgore Trout

Since you're too lazy/stupid to find them yourself...
[Link: cdn.ccomrcdn.com...]

There are plenty of pics and videos of the event. It gets tiresome spoonfeeding this crap to people who will ignore the evidence anyways. I don't know why I bother. It's pointless.

I am still waiting for the "death to Obama" signs that you said you could find, I believe 12 in an hour. You are the one who offered to find them, you are the one that brought up the subject, and yet, we don't see them, you don't produce them and then you use nasty language to Dianna (lazy/stupid).

By the way, the picture you linked to is not of a "death to Obama" sign. And if you read the accounts and comment and links above, a hanging or burning effigy is historically not wishing death upon someone

Although I can imagine that there are people stupid enough to only get that meaning from an effigy, I am not going to quell my freedom of speech because someone is stupid.

430 OldLineTexan  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 12:13:52pm

re: #408 Shiplord Kirel

Nope. Their actions were not illegal.
Otoh, I happened to ask my hard-core survivalist and gun rights friend Ben what he thought of the episode. He hadn't heard of it but exclaimed "That's stupid!" when I told him the details.

Serious survivalists don't advertise.

431 _RememberTonyC  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 12:14:02pm

re: #415 sattv4u2

I was going to same the same general thing. She would have to be part of a duo (think Hannity/Colmes or the old Cross Fire) to make it work, at least for a season or two.
Amazing how people think you can just get in front of a camera day in and day out and do it!

GMTA Sat ... Also, it would get her into a "debate mode," which is surely something she'd need to work on if she has future political ambitions. But as you know, a daily TV show, while great for exposure also offers over 200 hours of potential "screw up" opportunities over the course of a year.

432 Dianna  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 12:14:04pm

re: #419 Ringo the Gringo

I wasn't there, but here is a video:

[Video]

Thank you.

433 gonecamping  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 12:14:18pm

He was just yarning.re: #405 garycooper

Ah'm gonna pun-chew...

434 zombie  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 12:14:21pm

re: #237 kansas

[Link: www.nogw.com...]
I liked this.

Nice! Will add. Thanks.

435 Kenneth  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 12:14:45pm

re: #381 Coracle

The derisive use of the phrase "The One" is not derogatory, but is intended to mock. Oprah called Obama "The One we have been waiting for" and Obama referred to himself with similar wording in several campaign speeches. His critics took to using it as a way of mocking not only Obama's evident high self-regard, but also his followers fawning hero worship of the man.

The One.

436 Dom  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 12:14:56pm

I doubt that anyone who typically votes left finds Fox credible let alone influential, and if courting Ron Paul advocates is supposed to help I don't wish them well.

437 turn  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 12:14:58pm

re: #421 redstateredneck

What, you thought you had the puns all tied up?

Hey that remark strikes a cord, even at my age.

438 SurferDoc  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 12:15:08pm

re: #359 jcm

Is the plural of noose, nice?

Neices

439 Kragar  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 12:15:11pm

re: #430 OldLineTexan

Serious survivalists don't advertise.

You're damn right we dont.

Shit. DAMN DAMN!

440 sattv4u2  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 12:15:18pm

SHARMUTA

I appreciate your stealth down-ding of my #402

I can see what I said was totally egregious, just like yesterday when you did it when I had the audacity to disagree with Charles.

Yours Truly

SATTV4U2

441 Shiplord Kirel  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 12:15:25pm

re: #430 OldLineTexan

Serious survivalists don't advertise.

He doesn't, and neither do I.

442 Sharmuta  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 12:16:08pm

re: #440 sattv4u2

Down ding again, because it wasn't stealth. I told you exactly why I did it.

444 redstateredneck  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 12:16:30pm

re: #420 calcajun

Some might make a bowline for the exit.

Don't go off half hitched!

445 reine.de.tout  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 12:16:39pm

re: #424 Sharmuta

Bullshit- he's right. No one wanted to listen to him about the tea parties, but even TFK now thinks their full of kooks.

He showed all of you months ago! And you didn't care. You called him names, and bullied him and ignored every link he put up as if it was going to burn you.

You GO, Killgore.

Not all of us.

446 Dianna  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 12:16:47pm

re: #402 sattv4u2

That's beneath you KT

Not lately.

447 Gus  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 12:16:50pm

re: #429 Walter L. Newton

I am still waiting for the "death to Obama" signs that you said you could find, I believe 12 in an hour. You are the one who offered to find them, you are the one that brought up the subject, and yet, we don't see them, you don't produce them and then you use nasty language to Dianna (lazy/stupid).

By the way, the picture you linked to is not of a "death to Obama" sign. And if you read the accounts and comment and links above, a hanging or burning effigy is historically not wishing death upon someone

Although I can imagine that there are people stupid enough to only get that meaning from an effigy, I am not going to quell my freedom of speech because someone is stupid.

"Death to Obama" Sign Holder Detained by Secret Service

There were signs comparing President Barack Obama to a Nazi and showing him with an Adolf Hitler-style mustache, but federal officials believe another sign referencing the president and his family went too far.

A man who was holding a sign reading "Death to Obama" Wednesday outside a town hall meeting on health care reform in Hagerstown, Md., has been turned over to the Secret Service.

448 _RememberTonyC  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 12:17:05pm

re: #436 Dom

I doubt that anyone who typically votes left finds Fox credible let alone influential, and if courting Ron Paul advocates is supposed to help I don't wish them well.

my wife, who is a liberal democrat watches FOX more than any other news network. i doubt she'd do it if she thought they lacked credibility. she disagrees with many on the network, but must consider them credible.

449 garycooper  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 12:17:18pm

re: #411 jcm

Now, now don't unravel!

Back under control...just hang loose, he tells himself.

450 Sharmuta  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 12:17:40pm

re: #443 Charles

'Death to Michelle Obama and her two stupid kids' sign holder detained by secret service

That's truly fucked up to wish death on two innocent kids.

451 Dianna  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 12:17:49pm

re: #443 Charles

'Death to Michelle Obama and her two stupid kids' sign holder detained by secret service

Good!

452 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 12:17:51pm

re: #447 Gus 802

Thank you, at least you delivered. That's horrible.

453 [deleted]  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 12:18:12pm
454 Oh no...Sand People!  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 12:18:15pm

re: #436 Dom

I doubt that anyone who typically votes left finds Fox credible let alone influential, and if courting Ron Paul advocates is supposed to help I don't wish them well.

Speaking of Luap Nor, his (R) affiliation seems out of political expediency since he couldn't win as a Libertarian. Seems that the same applies to LaRouche and the (D) that was applied to his name.

Am I wrong?

456 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 12:18:27pm

Look, I know you all think I'm rather square, kind of a granny, but I just want you to know I haven't half gotten in a hitch about it.

Just as an overhand comment, I'd give a figure-eight upding to any sailor or surgeon that will fire a shot over the bowline and give me a running count of how many puns I worked into this, although I don't really give a sheepshank if you get it exact.

457 jcm  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 12:18:34pm

re: #449 garycooper

Back under control...just hang loose, he tells himself.

Loose ends we whip...

458 Kenneth  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 12:18:37pm

re: #443 Charles

That is disgusting.

459 Sharmuta  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 12:18:41pm

re: #445 reine.de.tout

Not all of us.

True. But I think the people I'm talking about know who they are.

460 jcm  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 12:18:57pm

re: #450 Sharmuta

That's truly fucked up to wish death on two innocent kids.

Stupid should be painful...

462 snowcrash  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 12:19:06pm

re: #445 reine.de.tout
I downdinged for the stupid/lazy portion of his comment. Pathetic and whiney.

463 SurferDoc  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 12:19:27pm

re: #456 EmmmieG

Look, I know you all think I'm rather square, kind of a granny, but I just want you to know I haven't half gotten in a hitch about it.

Just as an overhand comment, I'd give a figure-eight upding to any sailor or surgeon that will fire a shot over the bowline and give me a running count of how many puns I worked into this, although I don't really give a sheepshank if you get it exact.

Very knotty.

464 turn  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 12:19:51pm

I'm staying out of this pissing match.

465 Cato the Elder  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 12:19:51pm

re: #440 sattv4u2

SHARMUTA

I appreciate your stealth down-ding of my #402

I can see what I said was totally egregious, just like yesterday when you did it when I had the audacity to disagree with Charles.

Yours Truly

SATTV4U2

I downding you practically every day, but when Shar does it you pitch a hissy fit?

What is she, special?

What am I, chopped liver?

Have a martyr cookie, they're rich in anti-oxidants.

466 OldLineTexan  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 12:19:56pm

re: #439 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

You're damn right we dont.

Shit. DAMN DAMN!

Now the zombies (non-essayist variety that eated branez) will find you!

467 Ringo the Gringo  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 12:20:22pm

It's not hard to see how so many years of hatred, death-lust and Nazi comparisons has poisoned our national discourse, and how it could be a very bad omen of things to come.

God help us.

468 Dianna  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 12:20:34pm

re: #447 Gus 802

Yes, you and Charles found those. And they're important.

Thank you.

469 reine.de.tout  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 12:20:34pm

re: #462 snowcrash

I downdinged for the stupid/lazy portion of his comment. Pathetic and whiney.

Yes, it was. He made the claim; he should come up with the links.

But I was responding to Shar's comment that "all" ignored him and griped at him about the tea parties - many did, but not all of us did.

470 _RememberTonyC  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 12:20:37pm

re: #443 Charles

'Death to Michelle Obama and her two stupid kids' sign holder detained by secret service


We're very close to dangerous ground here. Every one of us better pray that no harm comes to anyone in the Obama family. Because if something violent were to happen to any of them, we'd be closer to a civil war than anytime in the past 140 years. I am not kidding.

471 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 12:20:37pm

re: #465 Cato the Elder

I downding you practically every day, but when Shar does it you pitch a hissy fit?

What is she, special?

What am I, chopped liver?

Have a martyr cookie, they're rich in anti-oxidants.

Upding for a near perfect 10 in the snark olympics, not because I'm picking sides with anyone.

472 zombie  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 12:20:46pm

re: #274 Killgore Trout

Yup. They also paraded his head around on a pike.

Linkie please.

473 BlueCanuck  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 12:20:55pm

re: #456 EmmmieG

How many sheets to the wind are you? :)

474 Cato the Elder  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 12:21:14pm

re: #443 Charles

'Death to Michelle Obama and her two stupid kids' sign holder detained by secret service

But I thought the chivalrous, morally superior Right put the kids out of bounds.

475 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 12:21:15pm

re: #462 snowcrash

I downdinged for the stupid/lazy portion of his comment. Pathetic and whiney.

That was my point too.

476 Ringo the Gringo  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 12:21:15pm

re: #450 Sharmuta

That's truly fucked up to wish death on two innocent kids.

They're all innocent.

477 sattv4u2  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 12:21:40pm

re: #442 Sharmuta

Down ding again, because it wasn't stealth. I told you exactly why I did it.

Was writing while you posted. The comment in 402 to KT was for pulling out the "STUPID" (hence hy it was highlighted)
card, THATs whats beneath him. Sorry you didn't comprehend that

478 [deleted]  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 12:21:48pm
479 Gus  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 12:21:48pm

re: #468 Dianna

Yes, you and Charles found those. And they're important.

Thank you.

Yeah, same incident. There's also Ted Nugent when he said "suck on one of these" regarding Obama and Nugent's machine gun or whatever he was holding.

[Link: www.rollingstone.com...]

480 Honorary Yooper  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 12:22:05pm

re: #459 Sharmuta

True. But I think the people I'm talking about know who they are.

They know. I merely objected to the 24/7 wall-to-wall coverage KT gave them. He was right about the Tea Parties, but the wall-to-wall coverage does tend to turn some off, and even make some disbelieve him. It's one reason I can no longer stand cable TV news.

481 Dianna  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 12:22:19pm

re: #461 Charles

More signs at the 4/15 tea party advocating death for Obama.

They're anti-Obama, right enough.

482 Kenneth  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 12:22:31pm

re: #461 Charles

Some of those signs were offensive, all of them were nuts, but none of them advocated death for Obama. One of the signs advocated death to several democrats in congress.

483 Dianna  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 12:22:42pm

re: #479 Gus 802

Yeah, same incident. There's also Ted Nugent when he said "suck on one of these" regarding Obama and Nugent's machine gun or whatever he was holding.

[Link: www.rollingstone.com...]

People still read Rolling Stone?

484 Sharmuta  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 12:22:51pm

re: #474 Cato the Elder

But I thought the chivalrous, morally superior Right put the kids out of bounds.

It's a plant! ///

485 OldLineTexan  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 12:23:06pm

re: #474 Cato the Elder

But I thought the chivalrous, morally superior Right put the kids out of bounds.

Is he part of the right? Is ODS for the right only? Or is it because he's 51? Or male? Or unidentified?

486 jill e  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 12:23:09pm

re: #443 Charles

'Death to Michelle Obama and her two stupid kids' sign holder detained by secret service

Horrible, horrible stuff!

487 Gus  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 12:23:10pm

re: #483 Dianna

People still read Rolling Stone?

Not me. ;) I'm just Googling. :)

488 sattv4u2  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 12:23:25pm

re: #465 Cato the Elder

I downding you practically every day, but when Shar does it you pitch a hissy fit?
What is she, special?

What am I, chopped liver?

Have a martyr cookie, they're rich in anti-oxidants.

But there's nothing special about a downding from you. They're as common as snowflakes on Palins roof!

Unless ,,, you crave the attention so much that I will make notice of each time you do it!

489 Charles Johnson  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 12:23:26pm

re: #481 Dianna

They're anti-Obama, right enough.

One says "giving aid and comfort to terrorists is treason, punishable by death." On a sign about Obama giving money to Palestinians.

490 zombie  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 12:23:29pm

re: #302 Ringo the Gringo

Not a death threat, but a call for Bush to be waterboarded.

Noted. In the queue.

491 jcm  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 12:23:30pm

re: #484 Sharmuta

It's a plant! ///

Or the IQ of one...

492 turn  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 12:23:31pm

re: #456 EmmmieG

EG that was so smooth I had no idea it was a pun until you mentioned it toward the end.

493 Sheila Broflovski  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 12:23:40pm

re: #461 Charles

More signs at the 4/15 tea party advocating death for Obama.

Wow.

494 OldLineTexan  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 12:23:46pm

re: #484 Sharmuta

It's a plant! ///

Plant life will be offended by that remark.

495 redstateredneck  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 12:23:46pm

re: #464 turn

I'm staying out of this pissing match.

I'll stand on the sidelines with you. Watch your shoes...sometimes it splashes.

496 Dianna  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 12:23:50pm

re: #474 Cato the Elder

But I thought the chivalrous, morally superior Right put the kids out of bounds.

Every single person, no matter their politics, should, and that man belongs under arrest.

497 Kragar  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 12:24:01pm

re: #466 OldLineTexan

Now the zombies (non-essayist variety that eated branez) will find you!

Standard zombies aren't know for their mad internet skills.

Thought the project I'm toying with would allow them to.

498 Dianna  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 12:24:32pm

re: #489 Charles

That must be the line I was having trouble reading.

Nasty, stupid and pointless.

499 Killgore Trout  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 12:24:51pm

re: #472 zombie

Ugh, I'll look for it. Hold on...

500 Lincolntf  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 12:25:09pm

re: #470 _RememberTonyC
Whoever made the sign regarding Obama's daughters should get the full treatment (arrest, detention, trial, etc.) but I don't get the "Civil War" thing.
We'd mourn as a nation and punish the perpetrators, but "War" would be very, very far away.
What do you imagine the "sides" would be? 99% vs. 1%?

501 calcajun  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 12:25:14pm

re: #443 Charles

Good.

502 jcm  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 12:25:18pm

re: #495 redstateredneck

I'll stand on the sidelines with you. Watch your shoes...sometimes it splashes.

Not a problem...

503 Kenneth  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 12:25:25pm

re: #474 Cato the Elder

But I thought the chivalrous, morally superior Right put the kids out of bounds.

The chivalrous, morally superior Right does. The crazy extremist Right doesn't.

504 Charles Johnson  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 12:25:40pm

If you look through the hundreds of pictures posted at HuffPo from the April 15 tea parties, there are quite a few that are threatening to various degrees. "Watering the tree of liberty" is a recurring theme.

505 lawhawk  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 12:26:12pm

re: #489 Charles

One says "giving aid and comfort to terrorists is treason, punishable by death." On a sign about Obama giving money to Palestinians.

Guess it would be uncouth to point out that President Bush and Congress authorized payment of hundreds of millions to the Palestinians from 2001 through January 2009?

506 garycooper  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 12:26:36pm

re: #414 Oh no...Sand People!

Is that Dick Clark?
/

Tony Orlando.

508 Dianna  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 12:26:42pm

re: #469 reine.de.tout

Just a note: I griped about KT's increasing - and worrisome - paranoia, persecution complex and whining.

509 Cato the Elder  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 12:27:01pm

re: #503 Kenneth

The chivalrous, morally superior Right does. The crazy extremist Right doesn't.

It's getting harder and harder to spot the former amidst mobs of the latter.

510 KingKenrod  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 12:27:07pm

re: #443 Charles

'Death to Michelle Obama and her two stupid kids' sign holder detained by secret service

That's either

1. An insane person
2. A moby
3. Someone trying to push a 1st amendment confrontation

or all three...

511 [deleted]  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 12:27:27pm
512 doppelganglander  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 12:27:28pm

re: #396 Killgore Trout

Since you're too lazy/stupid to find them yourself...
[Link: cdn.ccomrcdn.com...]

There are plenty of pics and videos of the event. It gets tiresome spoonfeeding this crap to people who will ignore the evidence anyways. I don't know why I bother. It's pointless.

Dianna is neither lazy nor stupid. YOU are the one who claimed they were ubiquitous, therefore it was incumbent upon YOU to provide the evidence. Which you have not done - that is Obama being hung in effigy, not a sign saying "Kill Obama," which is what you promised.

513 SurferDoc  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 12:27:36pm

re: #509 Cato the Elder

It's getting harder and harder to spot the former amidst mobs of the latter.

For you, apparently.

514 OldLineTexan  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 12:27:41pm

re: #509 Cato the Elder

It's getting harder and harder to spot the former amidst mobs of the latter.

You believe what you want to believe, but you don't have to live like a refugee.

/wisdom from Tom Petty

515 zombie  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 12:27:59pm

re: #339 redstateredneck

Excellent! Did you include the movie, "Death of a President", the Bush assassination flick?

Yeah, it's in there, lower down, as a side note since it's not part of a protest.

516 Oh no...Sand People!  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 12:28:15pm

re: #500 Lincolntf

Whoever made the sign regarding Obama's daughters should get the full treatment (arrest, detention, trial, etc.) but I don't get the "Civil War" thing.
We'd mourn as a nation and punish the perpetrators, but "War" would be very, very far away.
What do you imagine the "sides" would be? 99% vs. 1%?

I would also agree that Andrew Sullivan needs treatment for half the shite he spouted about Trig Palin, not the arrest / detention / trial stuff.

But personally, I am tired of all the 'eye for an eye' stuff...right or left.

517 ArchangelMichael  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 12:28:33pm

re: #505 lawhawk

Guess it would be uncouth to point out that President Bush and Congress authorized payment of hundreds of millions to the Palestinians from 2001 through January 2009?

"Oh but that was different!"

/

518 Afrocity  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 12:28:44pm

In case any one wants to witness the ravings of a rabid moonbat

Moonbat on Aisle 6

Youtube Video
519 Desert Dog  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 12:29:10pm

re: #509 Cato the Elder

It's getting harder and harder to spot the former amidst mobs of the latter.

Good thing we have the noble left to guide us on our journey then, eh? Their level of decorum and sophistication in these matters is on a much higher plane than that of the knuckle-dragging right. Lucky us!

520 Dianna  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 12:29:21pm

re: #504 Charles

If you look through the hundreds of pictures posted at HuffPo from the April 15 tea parties, there are quite a few that are threatening to various degrees. "Watering the tree of liberty" is a recurring theme.

I don't think many of them meant it as threatening, though it's my tendency to read them that way. People will insist on quoting Jefferson when they're irritated with their government.

521 zombie  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 12:29:34pm

re: #364 Gus 802

Here's one...

[Link: gothamist.com...]

Mucho thankola!

522 Kosh's Shadow  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 12:29:52pm

I wonder if someone compared Ahmadinejad to Hitler, if he'd be flattered.

523 Kragar  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 12:29:55pm

re: #516 Oh no...Sand People!


But personally, I am tired of all the 'eye for an eye' stuff...right or left.

Wouldn't it be smarter to just go for both eyes in the first place, tactically speaking?

/

524 Oh no...Sand People!  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 12:29:55pm

re: #516 Oh no...Sand People!

I would also agree that Andrew Sullivan needs treatment for half the shite he spouted about Trig Palin, not the arrest / detention / trial stuff.

But personally, I am tired of all the 'eye for an eye' stuff...right or left.

Though my post was exactly that...

/starts penance by self flagellation...

525 Dianna  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 12:29:58pm

re: #512 doppelganglander

Dianna is neither lazy nor stupid. YOU are the one who claimed they were ubiquitous, therefore it was incumbent upon YOU to provide the evidence. Which you have not done - that is Obama being hung in effigy, not a sign saying "Kill Obama," which is what you promised.

At last.

526 _RememberTonyC  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 12:30:00pm

re: #500 Lincolntf

Whoever made the sign regarding Obama's daughters should get the full treatment (arrest, detention, trial, etc.) but I don't get the "Civil War" thing.
We'd mourn as a nation and punish the perpetrators, but "War" would be very, very far away.
What do you imagine the "sides" would be? 99% vs. 1%?

Here's what I mean. Do you remember the rioting aound the nation after Martin Luther King was murdered in 1968? It was pretty bad. Do you know about other 1960s era race riots in Detroit and Watts (LA)? How about the Rodney King riots back in 1992? All of those were horrible, but you can multiply them by about 1000% if President Obama were assasinated. This man, whether you are a fan or not, was ELECTED by the people of this nation, many of whom never thought they'd live to see a Black man as POTUS. Do you think they'd simply cry and mourn if their greatest hero were murdered? I don't think it's an overstatement at all to say something approaching a civil war would be the result.

527 Cato the Elder  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 12:30:05pm

re: #485 OldLineTexan

Is he part of the right? Is ODS for the right only? Or is it because he's 51? Or male? Or unidentified?

I'm guessing he's probably not chagrined that Obama is thinking of dumping the public option.

My gut instinct is he hates n***s.

528 OldLineTexan  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 12:30:10pm

re: #519 Desert Dog

Good thing we have the noble left to guide us on our journey then, eh? Their level of decorum and sophistication in these matters is on a much higher plane than that of the knuckle-dragging right. Lucky us!

Let's take off our shirts and really hurt them.

/Guts Not Gulags

///

529 zombie  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 12:30:27pm

re: #374 Gus 802

The video apology and includes the comment...


[Video]

Noted!

530 Sheila Broflovski  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 12:30:54pm

re: #396 Killgore Trout

Since you're too lazy/stupid to find them yourself...
[Link: cdn.ccomrcdn.com...]

There are plenty of pics and videos of the event. It gets tiresome spoonfeeding this crap to people who will ignore the evidence anyways. I don't know why I bother. It's pointless.

You said that within an hour you could find dozens of pictures of Tea Party events that contain Obama death threats. Well, it has been an hour, and you posted ONE (count 'em) picture, not the dozens you promised, and then told everybody else they are too lazy and stupid to find them for themselves.

531 OldLineTexan  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 12:31:05pm

re: #527 Cato the Elder

I'm guessing he's probably not chagrined that Obama is thinking of dumping the public option.

My gut instinct is he hates n***s.

How coincidental. See #528. ;)

532 garycooper  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 12:31:13pm

re: #456 EmmmieG

Look, I know you all think I'm rather square, kind of a granny, but I just want you to know I haven't half gotten in a hitch about it.

Just as an overhand comment, I'd give a figure-eight upding to any sailor or surgeon that will fire a shot over the bowline and give me a running count of how many puns I worked into this, although I don't really give a sheepshank if you get it exact.

Knots to you!

533 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 12:31:17pm

re: #228 garycooper

However, when a Rethuglican like Beck cries...

Rethuglican? Uh, Beck is a Libertarian.

534 KingKenrod  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 12:31:46pm

re: #504 Charles

If you look through the hundreds of pictures posted at HuffPo from the April 15 tea parties, there are quite a few that are threatening to various degrees. "Watering the tree of liberty" is a recurring theme.

The "watering the tree" quote clearly advocates violence - I find it extremely troubling.

535 Oh no...Sand People!  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 12:31:52pm

re: #523 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Wouldn't it be smarter to just go for both eyes in the first place, tactically speaking?

/

I would love it if the Repubs chose to play to win as opposed to play to pander...but we can't be winning elections now can we? Too busy reaching across that aisle... Now the Dems have the majority and can pass anything they want...sucks to be at the mercy of some blue dogs...

536 MandyManners  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 12:31:56pm

re: #474 Cato the Elder

But I thought the chivalrous, morally superior Right put the kids out of bounds.

Tell that to Trig Palin.

537 shortshrift  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 12:32:09pm

re: #103 Killgore Trout

I'm not digging the whole premise. It's fairly common for people to be detained and questioned at presidential appearances. Very few are actually arrested and even fewer are charged. It happens all the time. Those protest signs are being held by idiots. However, the big difference now is that these guys are showing up to protests armed. Many belong to anti-government militias. Today's protesters present a greater threat and they are more high profile than they were in the past. They seek out the spotlight more effectively than the LLL did in the past.

Why are they "more high profile"? Because the MSM loves to paint a picture of the rabid right. Whatever the truth of the motives and identity of the protesters, the MSM does not portray them as the authentic angry voice of ordinary America - as the anti-war left was portrayed - but as an incited astroturf mob. The protesters do not "seek out the spotlight more effectively" - if the spotlight puts them in a bad light. Are they seeking their own adverse publicity?

538 Coracle  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 12:32:11pm

re: #435 Kenneth

The derisive use of the phrase "The One" is not derogatory, but is intended to mock. Oprah called Obama "The One we have been waiting for" and Obama referred to himself with similar wording in several campaign speeches. His critics took to using it as a way of mocking not only Obama's evident high self-regard, but also his followers fawning hero worship of the man.

The One.

To me this is all different shades of the same color "Shrub" was. The One is also used by religious nuts who think Obama thinks of himself as the second coming - or conversely who think of him as the antichrist. I know precisely no Obama supporters who ever fawned over him like that. And though I don't deny that a portion of his supporters did, I think that ascribing that to all, or even the majority of those who voted for him is, as any derogatory - or "derisive" counterproductive. You're not going to win any converts while mocking them.

539 Ringo the Gringo  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 12:32:12pm

zombie,

How about this one?

It uses a quote (real or imagined) by George Bush Sr. to imply that Bush, or Dick Cheney, should be executed for outing Valerie Plame.

540 Randall Gross  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 12:32:38pm

re: #504 Charles

If you look through the hundreds of pictures posted at HuffPo from the April 15 tea parties, there are quite a few that are threatening to various degrees. "Watering the tree of liberty" is a recurring theme.

That's a running banner at the Stochowiak site I sent you.

541 turn  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 12:33:04pm

re: #518 Afrocity

Hey afro, long time no chat. You behaving yourself? I'm going to go check out your blog, haven't been there in ages.

542 Sharmuta  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 12:33:10pm

re: #525 Dianna

My defense of KT, btw, was not meant as a slam at you.

543 zombie  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 12:33:31pm

re: #396 Killgore Trout

Since you're too lazy/stupid to find them yourself...
[Link: cdn.ccomrcdn.com...]

There are plenty of pics and videos of the event. It gets tiresome spoonfeeding this crap to people who will ignore the evidence anyways. I don't know why I bother. It's pointless.

What is the provenance of that picture? Is it embedded in a larger page?

544 ArchangelMichael  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 12:33:39pm

re: #533 Slumbering Behemoth

Rethuglican? Uh, Beck is a Libertarian.

And he's relegated to the kook section of their hall as well (which says a lot considering how many libertarians are kooks).

545 Cato the Elder  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 12:33:44pm

If tuquoquianism were a gas, everyone on this thread would have been asphyxiated at 10:23:09 am PDT.

546 Dianna  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 12:34:05pm

re: #530 Alouette

But Charles and others have found some ugly signs, and one specifically threatening one.

547 Ringo the Gringo  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 12:34:06pm

re: #539 Ringo the Gringo

zombie,

How about this one?

It uses a quote (real or imagined) by George Bush Sr. to imply that Bush, or Dick Cheney, should be executed for outing Valerie Plame.

Bad link - Image: 068.jpg

548 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 12:34:14pm

re: #520 Dianna

I don't think many of them meant it as threatening, though it's my tendency to read them that way. People will insist on quoting Jefferson when they're irritated with their government.

That's why jefferson made those statements. Damn him :)

549 OldLineTexan  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 12:34:17pm

OT: Any Lizards in Kansas City?

If so, thanks for the use of your city for the last week. Especially Westport, the WW1 National Museum, and Jack Stack BBQ.

/

550 Dianna  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 12:34:23pm

re: #542 Sharmuta

My defense of KT, btw, was not meant as a slam at you.

That's fine, Sharmuta. I'm not worried about it.

551 Gus  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 12:34:36pm

re: #534 KingKenrod

The "watering the tree" quote clearly advocates violence - I find it extremely troubling.

If you look at the 7th image you'll notice the phrase: the convicted shall suffer death. In small print it also says: thanks Mr. O.

[Link: farm4.static.flickr.com...]

552 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 12:34:40pm

It's been fun, but I have two children to get to two places at the exact same time.

553 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 12:34:42pm

re: #247 Charles

That's one reason I said I'm not a fan of boycotts in general - they often backfire.

The boycott against tv show "Married: With Children" ensured that a failing program that was about to be canceled turned into a smash hit for many seasons.

554 Cato the Elder  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 12:34:55pm

re: #536 MandyManners

Tell that to Trig Palin.

The Right has been attacking Trig?

555 OldLineTexan  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 12:35:07pm

re: #545 Cato the Elder

If tuquoquianism were a gas, everyone on this thread would have been asphyxiated at 10:23:09 am PDT.

If teh intrawebs transported gas, you would have all asphyxiated LONG ago ...

556 zombie  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 12:35:09pm

re: #419 Ringo the Gringo

I wasn't there, but here is a video:

[Video]

Noted! Thanks again.

557 OldLineTexan  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 12:35:31pm

re: #552 EmmmieG

It's been fun, but I have two children to get to two places at the exact same time.

TWO giant slingshots!

558 albusteve  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 12:35:38pm

re: #542 Sharmuta

My defense of KT, btw, was not meant as a slam at you.

mine might be personal next time...it's getting ridiculous, hair splitting and annoying...he said he COULD find the links, not that he was going to...common phrasology, good grief

559 Desert Dog  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 12:35:49pm

There is a real anger and sense of frustration brewing in this country. It is not just the morons that make up these idiotic signs and make these unhealthy threats either. It is a feeling that our country is going down the drain and the government is not doing anything to help. In fact, many people, myself included, thing this country is headed down the wrong path at this time.

This anger does not excuse the behavior of some of these people. It is not right to hold up Hitler signs, it is not right to make threats to the President and/or his family. Nor was it proper when the left did the same exact thing during the previous administration.

560 Yashmak  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 12:35:56pm
. . .and that means this is a pretty meaningless boycott, since Fox News has no incentive to do anything about Beck’s extremist statements, even if they wanted to.

Not necessarily. Fox, like most large companies, probably don't just look at things from an overall financial point of view, they look at what programs are attracting advertising revenue, and which are not.

Right now, Beck is obviously alienating revenue, which cannot help but be noticed by the top brass at Fox. I'm certain that they consider that, as well as the show's ratings with viewers, when making programming decisions.

561 Ringo the Gringo  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 12:36:02pm

re: #396 Killgore Trout

An Obama pinata?

562 OldLineTexan  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 12:36:05pm

re: #548 Walter L. Newton

That's why jefferson made those statements. Damn him :)

I'm waiting for the book burnings to commence.

563 wrenchwench  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 12:36:22pm

re: #552 EmmmieG

It's been fun, but I have two children to get to two places at the exact same time.

I guess you gotta split, then.

564 Desert Dog  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 12:36:30pm

re: #545 Cato the Elder

If tuquoquianism were a gas, everyone on this thread would have been asphyxiated at 10:23:09 am PDT.

Two wrongs don't make a right. But, three rights make a left?

565 sattv4u2  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 12:36:33pm

re: #542 Sharmuta

My defense of KT, btw, was not meant as a slam at you.

But reprimandng him for calling a poster Stupid/ Lazy, IN THE NICEST WAY ("Thats beneath you, KT") ,, THAT deserved an upbrading,,

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

mmmkkaayyy!!

566 Ben Hur  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 12:36:47pm

re: #278 buzzsawmonkey

Bush was derided as "Shrub" by the late Molly Ivins from the start, or near the start, of his tenure as Governor of Texas. The "Shrub" sobriquet, and the declaration that "he ain't right bright" were adopted by readers of Ivins through the Texas Monthly and the Progressive, and had become the standard lens through which Bush was viewed throughout the first campaign, during which he was constantly derided as stupid and slow, and constantly referred to as "Shrub."

When Bush won the nomination, the Democrats were beside themselves with laughter at this brain-challenged boob presuming to challenge the brilliant Al Gore--which meant that when Gore went down in flames, the notion that the "brilliant" Gore had been beaten by the "idiot" Bush caused a huge wave of overt anger on the Left at how "stupid" this country was.

The "Shrub" stuff abruptly vanished right after 9/11, but the "stupid" thing hung on through all eight years of the Bush presidency.

In any event, Bush entered office on a wave of derision, anger, and, yes, hatred at least equal to anything Obama had to deal with. The fact is that to Obama supporters, anything less than blind, gleaming adoration of him was tantamount to "hatred."

Jesse Jackson said he was an illegimate (ironic choice of words) President days after the 2000 election.

567 Dianna  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 12:36:53pm

re: #548 Walter L. Newton

That's why jefferson made those statements. Damn him :)

I always have to discount my reaction to that quote, Walter.

568 OldLineTexan  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 12:36:59pm

re: #558 albusteve

mine might be personal next time...it's getting ridiculous, hair splitting and annoying...he said he COULD find the links, not that he was going to...common phrasology, good grief

Monkeys COULD conceivably fly outta my ass, too.

/it's a dangerous word

569 _RememberTonyC  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 12:37:08pm

i'm out 4 awhile ... BBL

570 Charles Johnson  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 12:37:11pm

re: #520 Dianna

I don't think many of them meant it as threatening, though it's my tendency to read them that way. People will insist on quoting Jefferson when they're irritated with their government.

That particular quote, however, is explicitly about violent revolution. In the video of the Arizona 4409 group, they make a little joke about "are you gonna water the tree of liberty?" The people who put that quote on signs know exactly what it implies - it's a threat.

571 doppelganglander  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 12:37:27pm

re: #525 Dianna

At last.

You are most welcome.

572 MandyManners  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 12:37:44pm

re: #518 Afrocity

In case any one wants to witness the ravings of a rabid moonbat

Moonbat on Aisle 6

Youtube Video

The closest Whole Foods is about four hours away or I'd shop there every day. Twice a day.

573 [deleted]  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 12:37:51pm
574 Kenneth  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 12:37:56pm

re: #538 Coracle

To me this is all different shades of the same color "Shrub" was. The One is also used by religious nuts who think Obama thinks of himself as the second coming - or conversely who think of him as the antichrist. I know precisely no Obama supporters who ever fawned over him like that. And though I don't deny that a portion of his supporters did, I think that ascribing that to all, or even the majority of those who voted for him is, as any derogatory - or "derisive" counterproductive. You're not going to win any converts while mocking them.

Not everybody who uses the term "The One" thinks Obama is the Anti-Christ.

The hero worshiping of Obama was real and it was disturbing. Not everybody who voted for Obama worshiped him, but many did. This deserves to be mocked, in addition to the many more thoughtful criticisms directed his way.

And if you don't like it, tough. Suck it up.

575 garycooper  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 12:37:57pm

re: #545 Cato the Elder

If tuquoquianism were a gas, everyone on this thread would have been asphyxiated at 10:23:09 am PDT.

Only a Knot-zi would say something like that.

576 gonecamping  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 12:38:38pm

No doubt filled with baloney.


re: #561 Ringo the Gringo

An Obama pinata?

577 zombie  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 12:38:38pm

re: #443 Charles

'Death to Michelle Obama and her two stupid kids' sign holder detained by secret service

That's in the very first sentence of my report.

That's the basis of my report.

That guy was arrested. And rightfully so.

Similar signs during Bush's era lead to no documented arrests.

That's what my entire essay is about.

578 mrbaracuda  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 12:38:40pm

Charles, get rid of that infolinks stuff! :-%P%

579 midwestgak  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 12:39:20pm

re: #518 Afrocity

The camera angle reminds me of the movie The Blair Witch Project.

580 Lincolntf  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 12:39:49pm

re: #574 Kenneth

Seriously, could there be a milder epithet than "the One". It's pathetic to hear people complain about it.

581 Dianna  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 12:39:52pm

re: #551 Gus 802

I've looked at that sign four times now. It says "Our Tax $$", but names...no one.

Do we list it under "general anti-government threats" or what?

582 Killgore Trout  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 12:40:02pm

re: #472 zombie

John & Ken Tax Revolt , Heads on a Stick , Fullerton Ca. #2

Youtube Video

Racists at KFI AM 640 Tax Revolt

Youtube Video

Look through the videos on the sidebar. There's plenty of footage.

583 zombie  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 12:40:19pm

re: #447 Gus 802

"Death to Obama" Sign Holder Detained by Secret Service

There were signs comparing President Barack Obama to a Nazi and showing him with an Adolf Hitler-style mustache, but federal officials believe another sign referencing the president and his family went too far.

A man who was holding a sign reading "Death to Obama" Wednesday outside a town hall meeting on health care reform in Hagerstown, Md., has been turned over to the Secret Service.

See comment #577.

584 Afrocity  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 12:40:25pm

re: #579 midwestgak

The camera angle reminds me of the movie The Blair Witch Project.

LOL, totally.

585 Killgore Trout  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 12:40:27pm

re: #543 zombie

What is the provenance of that picture? Is it embedded in a larger page?

It's on the John and Ken homepage.

586 albusteve  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 12:40:42pm

re: #568 OldLineTexan

Monkeys COULD conceivably fly outta my ass, too.

/it's a dangerous word

if they do, it will be soon it looks like...people are getting way too shook up

587 cronus  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 12:40:45pm

OT: New Public Policy Polling survey on birthers

The answer is that 62% of Americans think Obama was born here, while 24% think he was not and 14% are unsure.

10% of the country thinks that he was born in Indonesia, 7% think he was born in Kenya, and 1% think he was born in the Philippines.

That leaves 20%, which includes at least some people who correctly believe that Obama was born in Hawaii, but who don't consider Hawaii to be part of the United States. You read that right- 6% of poll respondents think that Hawaii is not part of the country and 4% are unsure.

So who are the birthers?

-62% are Republicans, 20% are Democrats, and 18% are independents
-57% are conservatives, 33% are moderates, and 9% are liberals
-56% are men, 44% are women
-86% are white, 7% are Hispanic, 4% are black, and 3% are other races

588 experiencedtraveller  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 12:41:13pm

re: #570 Charles

That particular quote, however, is explicitly about violent revolution. In the video of the Arizona 4409 group, they make a little joke about "are you gonna water the tree of liberty?" The people who put that quote on signs know exactly what it implies - it's a threat.

Absolutely correct. Jefferson was talking about violent revolution. He didn't fear it as he believed even democratic government is constantly encroached upon by tyranny.

589 zombie  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 12:41:27pm

re: #450 Sharmuta

That's truly fucked up to wish death on two innocent kids.

Fully agree, which is why he should have been and was arrested.

It was that article which inspired me to write my essay.

590 Gus  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 12:41:33pm

re: #581 Dianna

I've looked at that sign four times now. It says "Our Tax $$", but names...no one.

Do we list it under "general anti-government threats" or what?

I suppose if you add context and the "Thanks Mr. O" written off to the side. Perhaps it's arguable but there is an inherent threat to general violence.

591 Coracle  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 12:41:59pm

re: #574 Kenneth

Not everybody who uses the term "The One" thinks Obama is the Anti-Christ.

The hero worshiping of Obama was real and it was disturbing. Not everybody who voted for Obama worshiped him, but many did. This deserves to be mocked, in addition to the many more thoughtful criticisms directed his way.

And if you don't like it, tough. Suck it up.

I have no choice, since it's used here so much. My point is it builds no bridges. And that using it - since it has been used in different antagonistic ways- does not inform the reader whether the one using it is 'mocking the fawning devotees', mocking Obama himself, mocking all Obama voters, or is a raving religious loon.

592 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 12:42:11pm

re: #279 cybermonk

hey, you all, why don't we root for moveon.org destroy another one of our conservative spokespersons.

Yeah. Um, Beck is a libertarian.

593 midwestgak  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 12:42:14pm

re: #527 Cato the Elder

I'm guessing he's probably not chagrined that Obama is thinking of dumping the public option.

My gut instinct is he hates n***s.

Nests?

594 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 12:42:27pm

I hope that President 0bama has a long and healthy retirement after 2012.

That is the absolute worst that I wish for him or his family.

May they live long and healthy lives.

595 Dianna  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 12:42:46pm

re: #570 Charles

Yes, I know.

As I keep saying, I dislike both Jefferson and the quote, and have to carefully discount my personal prejudice.

The gun-toting idjits in AZ definitely mean it violently. However, not every single person who deploys that particular piece of Jeffersonian inanity and pious hypocrisy means it so.

596 zombie  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 12:42:53pm

re: #451 Dianna

Good!

re: #455 Walter L. Newton

Thanks.

re: #458 Kenneth

That is disgusting.

Hmmm...looks like my whole point is being missed!

597 Kenneth  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 12:42:58pm

re: #570 Charles

It's code for a violent threat. Make no mistake.

598 Shiplord Kirel  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 12:42:59pm

There is a good reason for the double-standard many see being applied here: The far right is incomparably better equipped than their looney left counterparts to carry out violent threats, both mentally and physically.

The wikipedia article on the Greensboro Massacre of 1979 is enlightening. It is clear that the Communist Workers Party had set out to instigate a violent confrontation with the Klan.
For weeks on end, the CWP had dared the Klan to show up at a "Death to the Klan" rally and "face the wrath of the people." Even the dimmest commie could have expected violence and many of them had armed themselves with boards and clubs. Only one of them had the sense to bring a firearm and he only got off a single shot at the advancing Klansmen and failed to hit anything. At least 16 Klansmen fired over a hundred shots, killing five people and wounding 11. The five dead had all identified as leaders during a briefing given to Klansmen beforehand.

599 Sharmuta  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 12:43:02pm

re: #587 cronus

Stunning.

600 sattv4u2  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 12:43:16pm

re: #578 mrbaracuda

Charles, get rid of that infolinks stuff! :-%P%

Sure,, tell the host to NOT make money!! //

601 Dianna  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 12:43:21pm

re: #590 Gus 802

I suppose if you add context and the "Thanks Mr. O" written off to the side. Perhaps it's arguable but there is an inherent threat to general violence.

My eyes are getting worse, because I can't read that. Where on the sign?

602 Kragar  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 12:43:26pm

re: #594 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I hope that President 0bama has a long and healthy retirement after 2012.

That is the absolute worst that I wish for him or his family.

May they live long and healthy lives.

I hope his book deal falls thru.

/

603 Afrocity  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 12:44:00pm

re: #577 zombie

That's in the very first sentence of my report.

That's the basis of my report.

That guy was arrested. And rightfully so.

Similar signs during Bush's era lead to no documented arrests.

That's what my entire essay is about.

Is it a punishable offense to hold up such a sign? I recall "Sarah Palin is a ****" tee shirts being worn by moonbats and there were no arrests. Not to mention a Sarah Palin mannequin hanging in effigy.
Death to Bush signs were all over the place so much during the Bush Admin that would think Squeaky Fromme had octuplets and cloned them.

604 Charles Johnson  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 12:44:17pm

re: #588 experiencedtraveller

Absolutely correct. Jefferson was talking about violent revolution. He didn't fear it as he believed even democratic government is constantly encroached upon by tyranny.

Jefferson didn't fear violent revolution because he was in the middle of one, against England. The quote is specifically about the time Jefferson lived in, and is not supposed to be some kind of prescription for never-ending revolution.

605 Kenneth  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 12:44:21pm

re: #587 cronus

Thanks for the post. Tese are significantly lower numbers than the percentage of Americans who believe the various mutations of the 9-11 Troofer crap.

606 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 12:44:35pm

re: #578 mrbaracuda

Charles, get rid of that infolinks stuff! :-%P%

What is the problem. Keep your cursor off them and you won't have to deal with them. gee...

607 freetoken  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 12:44:36pm

Changing topics...

Sarah is at it again. By which I mean, putting up facebook entries under her name, that may or may not be written by her - obviously I'm suspicious.

Nevertheless, here it is:

[Link: www.facebook.com...]

Most of it is the "drill baby drill" nonsense that she so often panders. However, her attack on the Petrobras loan (which I think I posted here as a link some days back) is so short-sighted.

Some of it is simply due to her ignorance of "oil", but some of it seems also to be a misunderstanding of our institutions to promote international relations.

608 Desert Dog  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 12:44:38pm

re: #570 Charles

That particular quote, however, is explicitly about violent revolution. In the video of the Arizona 4409 group, they make a little joke about "are you gonna water the tree of liberty?" The people who put that quote on signs know exactly what it implies - it's a threat.

Yes, and up until 7 months ago, that statement was usually made by someone from the left. It is wrong when they did it, and it was wrong when these guys did it. So, where to now with this? There are many, maybe more than I would care to admit, on the extreme right that are going crazy (crazier?). What should be done about it? Calling them out and rejecting them is about all we can do, yes?

609 Pianobuff  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 12:44:39pm

re: #566 Ben Hur

Jesse Jackson said he was an illegimate (ironic choice of words) President days after the 2000 election.

And HRC left the topic open for discussion 8+ years later.

610 Killgore Trout  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 12:44:41pm

re: #582 Killgore Trout

More here...
John and Ken California Tea Party and Tax Revolt 2009

Youtube Video
611 Gus  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 12:45:01pm

re: #601 Dianna

My eyes are getting worse, because I can't read that. Where on the sign?

It's like two signs combined. The top sign, to the right of the word "Americans" and it's written in blue maker.

612 Kenneth  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 12:45:02pm

re: #596 zombie

Which point are you referring to?

613 mrbaracuda  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 12:45:09pm

re: #600 sattv4u2

That was my plan! :-D

614 jcm  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 12:45:20pm

re: #570 Charles

That particular quote, however, is explicitly about violent revolution. In the video of the Arizona 4409 group, they make a little joke about "are you gonna water the tree of liberty?" The people who put that quote on signs know exactly what it implies - it's a threat.

Thomas Jefferson's Tree of Liberty Letter. For complete context. One of Jefferson's great failings was his support an tolerance of the violence and blood letting of the French Revolution. It was his support for the French Revolution that caused the split between Adams and Jefferson.

"Watering the Tree of Liberty" is unambiguous and a threat.

615 [deleted]  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 12:45:21pm
616 KingKenrod  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 12:45:25pm

re: #302 Ringo the Gringo

Not a death threat, but a call for Bush to be waterboarded.

Stephen King: Waterboard Jenna Bush

617 Alaska Kim  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 12:45:56pm

Hi Y'all.
Open registration, eh?

618 freetoken  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 12:46:11pm

re: #610 Killgore Trout

Have you ever listened to Jon and Ken?

619 Sharmuta  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 12:46:49pm

re: #605 Kenneth

Thanks for the post. Tese are significantly lower numbers than the percentage of Americans who believe the various mutations of the 9-11 Troofer crap.

But we've seen a lot of the kookier elements of the birthers are also troofers- like "the great" alex jones. It was kookservatives who seemed to inflate the troofer numbers.

620 Sheila Broflovski  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 12:46:54pm

re: #572 MandyManners

The closest Whole Foods is about four hours away or I'd shop there every day. Twice a day.

I like to window shop at Whole Foods, then do my regular shopping at Wal Mart.

621 mrbaracuda  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 12:47:14pm

Well lizards, back to X-Files Season 3 episode 10! Oooh, aliens AND JAPANESE! :-D

622 Kenneth  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 12:47:15pm

re: #591 Coracle

Actually, a number of people who formerly adored Obama have come to realize he is a mere politician with feet of clay. Mockery may have helped them come to that conclusion, as well as some sober reflection.

623 Buck  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 12:47:25pm

re: #560 Yashmak

Right now, Beck is obviously alienating revenue,

Actually ratings are looked at in a BIG picture view, and Becks high numbers allow FOX to charge more in other time slots.

You have to see the BOOK... FOX news really is killing the other guys in every key demographic.

That Liberal you know who says he would never watch FOX? Well she probably is. Kinda like pornography... the numbers mean that many more are watching that will admit.

624 El PlomeroAlex  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 12:47:46pm

OT: What ever happen all the anti war protesters?

[Link: www.washingtonexaminer.com...]

625 Cato the Elder  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 12:48:03pm

re: #302 Ringo the Gringo

Not a death threat, but a call for Bush to be waterboarded.

re: #616 KingKenrod

Stephen King: Waterboard Jenna Bush

Since it's not torture, what would be the objection?

626 doppelganglander  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 12:48:32pm

re: #604 Charles

Jefferson didn't fear violent revolution because he was in the middle of one, against England. The quote is specifically about the time Jefferson lived in, and is not supposed to be some kind of prescription for never-ending revolution.

Certainly not never-ending revolution, but it does say, "from time to time." I take that to mean that he believed such times could come again. And yes, I do think those who are using that quote at present mean it to sound threatening.

627 MandyManners  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 12:48:35pm

The Car Cult commands and I must comply.

bbl

628 Kenneth  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 12:48:35pm

re: #619 Sharmuta

There is no data to support that inference.

629 KingKenrod  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 12:48:57pm

re: #577 zombie

That's in the very first sentence of my report.

That's the basis of my report.

That guy was arrested. And rightfully so.

Similar signs during Bush's era lead to no documented arrests.

That's what my entire essay is about.

A very interesting report, thanks for putting it together. And I think you are very clear about not excusing anti-Obama threats.

630 reine.de.tout  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 12:48:59pm

re: #579 midwestgak

The camera angle reminds me of the movie The Blair Witch Project.

Those eyes were kinda creepy, too.

631 Kragar  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 12:49:19pm

re: #621 mrbaracuda

Well lizards, back to X-Files Season 3 episode 10! Oooh, aliens AND JAPANESE! :-D

Been watching Warehouse 13 on Hulu, not bad. Waiting on them to post another season of Stargate. Tried watching Highlander but it was just so damn boring.

632 doppelganglander  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 12:49:26pm

re: #625 Cato the Elder

Since it's not torture, what would be the objection?

Because the person suggesting it believes waterboarding to be torture.

633 Kenneth  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 12:49:38pm

re: #625 Cato the Elder
re: #302 Ringo the Gringo

Not a death threat, but a call for Bush to be waterboarded.

re: #616 KingKenrod

Stephen King: Waterboard Jenna Bush

Since it's not torture, what would be the objection?

A worse torture would be to force Jenna Bush to read one of Kings dreadful books.

634 reine.de.tout  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 12:49:47pm

re: #620 Alouette

I like to window shop at Whole Foods, then do my regular shopping at Wal Mart.

You and me both.

635 sattv4u2  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 12:49:55pm

re: #627 MandyManners

The Car Cult commands and I must comply.

bbl

DRIVE AWAY, LADY ,,, DRIVE AWAY!

636 zombie  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 12:50:04pm

re: #461 Charles

More signs at the 4/15 tea party advocating death for Obama.

Which ones exactly? I'm trying to find a direct death threat toward Obama.

The one about tax dollars to Hamas doesn't count, as Congress sends those dollars, and Obama is not mentioned on the sign.

Lotta moronic vitriol in those signs, but none seem to be a direct death threat (along the lines of the "Kill Bush" ones I posted).

637 Cato the Elder  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 12:50:25pm

re: #632 doppelganglander

Because the person suggesting it believes waterboarding to be torture.

But you don't?

638 Gus  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 12:50:35pm

These are the guys that were looking at Christopher Broughton:

[Link: www.flickr.com...]

639 sattv4u2  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 12:50:48pm

re: #620 Alouette

I like to window shop at Whole Foods, then do my regular shopping at Wal Mart.

I like to go into Whole Foods as ask for Tuna free DOLPHIN!

640 Sharmuta  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 12:50:55pm

re: #628 Kenneth

There is no data to support that inference.

Yesterday you accepted the premise.

641 Honorary Yooper  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 12:51:06pm

re: #595 Dianna

Speaking of which, I found the quote and the context. Jefferson made it in a letter prior to the French Revolution.

God forbid we should ever be twenty years without such a rebellion. The people cannot be all, and always, well informed. The part which is wrong will be discontented, in proportion to the importance of the facts they misconceive. If they remain quiet under such misconceptions, it is lethargy, the forerunner of death to the public liberty. ... What country before ever existed a century and half without a rebellion? And what country can preserve its liberties if their rulers are not warned from time to time that their people preserve the spirit of resistance? Let them take arms. The remedy is to set them right as to facts, pardon and pacify them. What signify a few lives lost in a century or two? The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants. It is its natural manure.

- Letter to William Stephens Smith (13 November 1787), quoted in Padover's Jefferson On Democracy

Interesting that Jefferson thought we shouldn't go a generation without another rebellion.

642 kcladderman  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 12:51:21pm

re: #474 Cato the Elder

But I thought the chivalrous, morally superior Right put the kids out of bounds.

Kooks is Kooks

643 Charles Johnson  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 12:51:25pm

re: #636 zombie

The one about tax dollars to Hamas doesn't count, as Congress sends those dollars, and Obama is not mentioned on the sign.

Yes, he is -- "Thanks, Mr. O" is written at the bottom right of the top half of the sign...

644 zombie  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 12:52:00pm

re: #479 Gus 802

Yeah, same incident. There's also Ted Nugent when he said "suck on one of these" regarding Obama and Nugent's machine gun or whatever he was holding.

[Link: www.rollingstone.com...]

Interesting! Noted.

645 KingKenrod  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 12:52:03pm

re: #625 Cato the Elder

Since it's not torture, what would be the objection?

She's not an enemy combatant with vital information about planned violence - at least, NOT THAT WE KNOW OF.

I object to plenty of things that aren't torture.

646 garycooper  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 12:52:06pm

re: #603 Afrocity

Is it a punishable offense to hold up such a sign? I recall "Sarah Palin is a ***" tee shirts being worn by moonbats and there were no arrests. Not to mention a Sarah Palin mannequin hanging in effigy.
Death to Bush signs were all over the place so much during the Bush Admin that would think Squeaky Fromme had octuplets and cloned them.

Horrors! "The Octo-Fromme."

647 Dianna  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 12:52:08pm

re: #596 zombie

No, it's not.

I just wanted the pics of threats aimed at Obama.

648 jill e  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 12:52:14pm

Isn't reality enough? NY dealers pull out of "clunkers"?

649 Coracle  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 12:52:29pm

re: #622 Kenneth

Actually, a number of people who formerly adored Obama have come to realize he is a mere politician with feet of clay. Mockery may have helped them come to that conclusion, as well as some sober reflection.

Sigh. Well, there's none of them here. Here most of the resident "lefties" would probably be considered blue dogs at best. I'll wager very few moderates or independents ever thought or think the use of "The One" was smart for either side. It certainly makes it harder for me to take any comment prefaced by it seriously. Just like any comment preceded by "Shrub" or its relatives reduced the effectiveness of any point made therein.

650 wrenchwench  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 12:52:44pm

re: #624 El PlomeroAlex

OT: What ever happen all the anti war protesters?

[Link: www.washingtonexaminer.com...]

OT: First post. Where ya been?!?

651 Ben Hur  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 12:52:53pm

re: #607 freetoken

Changing topics...

Sarah is at it again. By which I mean, putting up facebook entries under her name, that may or may not be written by her - obviously I'm suspicious.

Nevertheless, here it is:

[Link: www.facebook.com...]

Most of it is the "drill baby drill" nonsense that she so often panders. However, her attack on the Petrobras loan (which I think I posted here as a link some days back) is so short-sighted.

Some of it is simply due to her ignorance of "oil", but some of it seems also to be a misunderstanding of our institutions to promote international relations.


Disclaimer: The following post is NOT about Sarah Palin in any way shape of form.

You don't have a problem with the US giving $2 billion for off shore oil drilling on the Brazilian coast and NOT allowing drilling off US coasts, even though China is doing just that 90 miles from Florida?

652 Kosh's Shadow  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 12:53:15pm

re: #594 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I hope that President 0bama has a long and healthy retirement after 2012.

That is the absolute worst that I wish for him or his family.

May they live long and healthy lives.

I also hope he realizes the errors he's made, preferably soon to prevent further errors.

653 Cato the Elder  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 12:53:19pm

re: #629 KingKenrod

A very interesting report, thanks for putting it together. And I think you are very clear about not excusing anti-Obama threats.

Can't excuse them. Then Zombie couldn't claim the Left's were worse.

654 Irish Rose  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 12:54:14pm

re: #617 Alaska Kim

Hi Y'all.
Open registration, eh?

Only if you're not a member of the religious right.

/do I?

655 OldLineTexan  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 12:54:18pm

re: #620 Alouette

I like to window shop at Whole Foods, then do my regular shopping at Wal Mart.

We can only afford Fractional Foods, and then only the Half-Off Sales.

/

656 Pianobuff  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 12:54:23pm

re: #651 Ben Hur

Disclaimer: The following post is NOT about Sarah Palin in any way shape of form.

You don't have a problem with the US giving $2 billion for off shore oil drilling on the Brazilian coast and NOT allowing drilling off US coasts, even though China is doing just that 90 miles from Florida?

I've seen Soros's name linked to this somewhere... like he altered his financial position coincidentally within a couple of days of the announcement and stands to profit now. Do you remember anything like this?

657 garycooper  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 12:54:32pm

re: #625 Cato the Elder

Since it's not torture, what would be the objection?

Well, Jenna's not a sworn-enemy of our country, engaged in multiple plots to kill Americans. Other than that, hell yeah, let's get her wet!

658 Gus  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 12:54:49pm

Here's one directed at congress.

[Link: www.flickr.com...]

Notice the "bulls eye" scope symbols.

659 doppelganglander  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 12:54:51pm

re: #637 Cato the Elder

But you don't?

What difference does it make what I think? I'm not the one suggesting anyone be waterboarded.

660 kcladderman  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 12:55:09pm

re: #549 OldLineTexan

OT: Any Lizards in Kansas City?

If so, thanks for the use of your city for the last week. Especially Westport, the WW1 National Museum, and Jack Stack BBQ.

/

You are very welcome. The WW1 museum and bar-bq are true city treasures.
Did you go to Kellys in westport? It is in a very historical building the oldest building in KC .

661 OldLineTexan  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 12:55:18pm

re: #654 Irish Rose

Only if you're not a member of the religious right.

/do I?

I'll rope 'em and hold 'em down and you brand the right ones; the definition varies tremendously.

/

662 Kenneth  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 12:55:32pm

re: #640 Sharmuta

That there is cross-over between 9-11 troofers and Nirthers, yes. That the only ones crossing over are the conservatives nutters, no. I'm sure some so-called Democrat 9-11 troofers are now in the Nirther camp. The allegiance to a given party is less importance thtn their allegiance to paranoid conspiracy theory politics.

663 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 12:55:48pm

re: #620 Alouette

I like to window shop at Whole Foods, then do my regular shopping at Wal Mart.

I can't afford to shop anywhere that has a philosophy.

664 albusteve  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 12:55:51pm

re: #649 Coracle

Sigh. Well, there's none of them here. Here most of the resident "lefties" would probably be considered blue dogs at best. I'll wager very few moderates or independents ever thought or think the use of "The One" was smart for either side. It certainly makes it harder for me to take any comment prefaced by it seriously. Just like any comment preceded by "Shrub" or its relatives reduced the effectiveness of any point made therein.

blah blah blah...it's how people talk, with the liberals it's always style over substance

665 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 12:55:58pm

OT: I have a policy with Farmers, and they are doing a great job for me right now. Even if they decided to pull ads from a show that I did like, I'd still be giving them my business.

666 OldLineTexan  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 12:56:23pm

re: #660 kcladderman

You are very welcome. The WW1 museum and bar-bq are true city treasures.
Did you go to Kellys in westport? It is in a very historical building the oldest building in KC .

Missed out on that. I did get to have a hamburger at The Flea Market, though. Mostly busy with the convention!

667 Ben Hur  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 12:56:25pm

re: #656 Pianobuff

I've seen Soros's name linked to this somewhere... like he altered his financial position coincidentally within a couple of days of the announcement and stands to profit now. Do you remember anything like this?


I don't know anything about it.

I assume I will in about 5 minutes though.

668 OldLineTexan  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 12:57:04pm

re: #663 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

I can't afford to shop anywhere that has a philosophy.

Wal-Mart has a philosophy!

/money talks

669 Mad Mullah  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 12:57:04pm

re: #651 Ben Hur
You don't have a problem with the US giving $2 billion for off shore oil drilling on the Brazilian coast and NOT allowing drilling off US coasts, even though China is doing just that 90 miles from Florida?

Obama is not the only one investing in off shore drilling in Brazil. Soros is too.

Payback for the people who helped get him elected?

670 redstateredneck  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 12:57:09pm

re: #515 zombie

Yeah, it's in there, lower down, as a side note since it's not part of a protest.

You could have an entire Hollyweird section.

671 zombie  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 12:57:09pm

re: #504 Charles

If you look through the hundreds of pictures posted at HuffPo from the April 15 tea parties, there are quite a few that are threatening to various degrees. "Watering the tree of liberty" is a recurring theme.

I'd still love to see additional examples of direct death threats to Obama at protests. (As opposed to vague statements that require interpretation. There were literally millions [not an exaggeration] of similar vaguely menacing statements about Bush over the last eight years that could just as easily be construed as threats [i.e. all the "Wanted" posters, all the accusations for being treasonous, for committing war crimes, etc. etc.]) I will include direct Obama threats in my report.

672 KingKenrod  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 12:57:15pm

re: #657 garycooper

Well, Jenna's not a sworn-enemy of our country, engaged in multiple plots to kill Americans. Other than that, hell yeah, let's get her wet!

Last Friday he converted his common Petrobras stock to preferred stock. He gets a better dividend that way. I think it indicates he is taking a longer-term position, which means he may have known about the loan guarantees.

673 SasquatchOnSteroids  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 12:57:19pm

re: #637 Cato the Elder

But you don't?

You like skipping rocks, don't you ?

What the hell does that matter ?

The person holding that sign certainly believes it is torture, and would gladly allow one of the Bush girls to be waterboarded. Since it is their own belief that it is indeed torture, well, there you go.

674 Kenneth  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 12:57:36pm

re: #649 Coracle

True, I don't imagine any True Believers hang at LGF.

675 albusteve  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 12:57:55pm

re: #666 OldLineTexan

Missed out on that. I did get to have a hamburger at The Flea Market, though. Mostly busy with the convention!

1/2 PRICE?

676 freetoken  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 12:58:14pm

re: #651 Ben Hur


You don't have a problem with the US giving $2 billion for off shore oil drilling on the Brazilian coast and NOT allowing drilling off US coasts, even though China is doing just that 90 miles from Florida?

The whole "China drilling off our coast" thing is such a non-starter. Cuba has invited various entities to explore off their coast, and they have done so for a while. And, btw, there is no great find there.

Furthermore, there is continuous drilling the the part of the GoM that has the best prospects for oil. You can find the rig counts at several major petroleum news sources.

I have never stated any opposition to drilling per se (and thousands of wells are drilled in the US every year.)

The DRILL BABY DRILL is simply bait for those who are unwilling to come to the truth about the US and oil: we cannot possibly supply our own needs by drilling for oil. The US is the most explored large nation in the world for oil. Our problem is our lust for oil far exceeds our resources.

677 Ben Hur  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 12:58:30pm

re: #669 Mad Mullah

You don't have a problem with the US giving $2 billion for off shore oil drilling on the Brazilian coast and NOT allowing drilling off US coasts, even though China is doing just that 90 miles from Florida?

Obama is not the only one investing in off shore drilling in Brazil. Soros is too.

Payback for the people who helped get him elected?

That was quicker than 5 minutes!

I had no idea about any of this.

Of course, Bush bowed too, so the MSM won't scream about this, I presume.

678 OldLineTexan  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 12:58:31pm

re: #651 Ben Hur

Nah, let the Chinese put an oil slick into Key West ... then we can protest Exxon!

/

679 El PlomeroAlex  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 12:58:34pm

re: #650 wrenchwench

OT: First post. Where ya been?!?

680 Coracle  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 12:58:45pm

re: #664 albusteve

blah blah blah...it's how people talk, with the liberals it's always style over substance

No. Style is like a sword. It can serve or cut the substance depending on whether it is gripped by the handle or the blade. Don't you see how both are important?

681 OldLineTexan  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 12:59:20pm

re: #675 albusteve

1/2 PRICE?

For half a burger, sure!

682 zombie  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 12:59:29pm

How does everyone keep up with the thread so quickly? I'm always a couple hundred comments behind the leading edge, and thus sometimes am out of the loop! Sigh.

683 J.S.  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 12:59:37pm

re: #662 Kenneth

I think there's a "cross-over" effect with the conspiracy people, as you suggest...so, a large portion of the conspiracy people can't be neatly lumped into any one political grouping (that is, labeled as "left" or labeled as "right" -- in this regard, they remind me of "libertarians.")

684 Sharmuta  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 12:59:40pm

re: #662 Kenneth

That there is cross-over between 9-11 troofers and Nirthers, yes. That the only ones crossing over are the conservatives nutters, no. I'm sure some so-called Democrat 9-11 troofers are now in the Nirther camp. The allegiance to a given party is less importance thtn their allegiance to paranoid conspiracy theory politics.

The number showed some democrat cross-over as well on the nirther issue. And I agree with you on the desire for kookiness over party. We looked at the numbers yesterday and agreed the numbers for troofers was higher than the number for nirthers, but that some of it was from the right. I suppose you and I could commission a survey to get a better idea of what's going on with both groups. I say we save our money and agree that for some- the kook trumps all.

685 Dianna  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 1:00:10pm

re: #641 Honorary Yooper

Yes, he did sometimes think that.

686 albusteve  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 1:00:12pm

re: #671 zombie

I'd still love to see additional examples of direct death threats to Obama at protests. (As opposed to vague statements that require interpretation. There were literally millions [not an exaggeration] of similar vaguely menacing statements about Bush over the last eight years that could just as easily be construed as threats [i.e. all the "Wanted" posters, all the accusations for being treasonous, for committing war crimes, etc. etc.]) I will include direct Obama threats in my report.

you seem to want to discount implied threats, that only direct threats count...most people realize you can do much more of the former than the ladder and the message is just as clear...

687 Kenneth  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 1:00:13pm

re: #680 Coracle

No. Style is like a sword. It can serve or cut the substance depending on whether it is gripped by the handle or the blade. Don't you see how both are important?

Ah yes, I believe I catch the thrust of your rapier like wit.

688 jcm  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 1:00:24pm

re: #682 zombie

How does everyone keep up with the thread so quickly? I'm always a couple hundred comments behind the leading edge, and thus sometimes am out of the loop! Sigh.

Road kill on the information superhighway, you'll get used to the view from down here after awhile.

;-P

689 Ben Hur  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 1:00:33pm

re: #676 freetoken

The whole "China drilling off our coast" thing is such a non-starter. Cuba has invited various entities to explore off their coast, and they have done so for a while. And, btw, there is no great find there.

Furthermore, there is continuous drilling the the part of the GoM that has the best prospects for oil. You can find the rig counts at several major petroleum news sources.

I have never stated any opposition to drilling per se (and thousands of wells are drilled in the US every year.)

The DRILL BABY DRILL is simply bait for those who are unwilling to come to the truth about the US and oil: we cannot possibly supply our own needs by drilling for oil. The US is the most explored large nation in the world for oil. Our problem is our lust for oil far exceeds our resources.

Thanks for the response.

I think we should use EVERYTHING there is, not just oil. If we have oil in any US territory, drill for it.

Fraking shale? Abso-fraking-lutely.

Nuclear, etc,

Everything.

690 J.S.  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 1:00:44pm

re: #682 zombie

You learn how to skip rapidly over the irrelevant posts...

691 zombie  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 1:00:54pm

re: #539 Ringo the Gringo

zombie,

How about this one?

It uses a quote (real or imagined) by George Bush Sr. to imply that Bush, or Dick Cheney, should be executed for outing Valerie Plame.

Interesting! Noted.

692 Coracle  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 1:01:01pm

re: #674 Kenneth

True, I don't imagine any True Believers hang at LGF.

Thus the use of the derisive terms, while neutral or positive to those who already share your views, do not help - and arguably makes it harder for - those on the left of this population's distribution see your points.

693 freetoken  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 1:01:15pm

BTW, the simple reason why the US is helping to fund exploration off the coast of Brazil is for our needs. Being part of the banking sources gives the US:

- leverage to be among the importers of whatever oil is discovered (and btw it is not a sure bet.)
- favor for the US oil companies to be among the contractors.

694 Ben Hur  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 1:01:16pm

Nuclear?

695 OldLineTexan  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 1:01:17pm

re: #680 Coracle

No. Style is like a sword. It can serve or cut the substance depending on whether it is gripped by the handle or the blade. Don't you see how both are important?

Here's a hint: If you see anyone holding a sword by the sharp pointy ends, chances are he doesn't know what he's doing.

All hat and no cattle, as they once said ...

696 albusteve  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 1:01:28pm

re: #681 OldLineTexan

For half a burger, sure!

half of one of those famous 2 pounders...eat it all and it's free!

697 sattv4u2  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 1:01:32pm

re: #682 zombie

How does everyone keep up with the thread so quickly? I'm always a couple hundred comments behind the leading edge, and thus sometimes am out of the loop! Sigh.

Thats always my problem. As a "hunt and peck"typer, if I type anything longer than this post by the time I hit POST THIS COMMENT, the person i'm responding to has left, driven home and had dinner!

698 wrenchwench  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 1:01:34pm

re: #679 El PlomeroAlex

OK, you're up to two now!

699 zombie  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 1:02:10pm

re: #561 Ringo the Gringo

An Obama pinata?

That's what it looks like.

700 Pianobuff  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 1:02:25pm

re: #628 Kenneth

There is no data to support that inference.

Here is some analysis from pollster dot com.

9/11 and birther misperceptions compared

I just found this seconds ago, but it looks kind of interesting.

701 sattv4u2  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 1:02:27pm

re: #690 J.S.

You learn how to skip rapidly over the irrelevant posts...

wha ,, huh ??? did you post something??

702 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 1:02:36pm

re: #682 zombie

How does everyone keep up with the thread so quickly? I'm always a couple hundred comments behind the leading edge, and thus sometimes am out of the loop! Sigh.

For me, cocaine!
/

703 Gus  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 1:03:34pm

re: #682 zombie

How does everyone keep up with the thread so quickly? I'm always a couple hundred comments behind the leading edge, and thus sometimes am out of the loop! Sigh.

You evolve into having lizard eyes being able to see two places at once.

704 J.S.  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 1:03:44pm

re: #701 sattv4u2

I have posted absolutely nothing...thank you.

/

705 zombie  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 1:03:49pm

re: #582 Killgore Trout

John & Ken Tax Revolt , Heads on a Stick , Fullerton Ca. #2

[Video]

Look through the videos on the sidebar. There's plenty of footage.

Thanks! Noted.

The queue is getting long. I will be updating for hours!

706 Kenneth  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 1:03:51pm

re: #684 Sharmuta

I suppose you and I could commission a survey to get a better idea of what's going on with both groups. I say we save our money and agree that for some- the kook trumps all.

LOL! Just imaging the questions we would have to ask...

As a current Nirther do you consider yourself a Republican nutter or a Democrat nutter? Were you formerly also a 9-11 Troofer & if so what party did you support when you believed that crazy-ass shit? Is Elvis alive?

707 albusteve  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 1:04:14pm

re: #680 Coracle

No. Style is like a sword. It can serve or cut the substance depending on whether it is gripped by the handle or the blade. Don't you see how both are important?

the One see's all...anyway think what you will...you can haggle over monikers and how they effect the debate all day...it's pointless, pseudo intellectualism

708 zombie  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 1:04:34pm

re: #585 Killgore Trout

It's on the John and Ken homepage.

OK! Will track it down.

709 SasquatchOnSteroids  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 1:04:40pm

re: #695 OldLineTexan

Here's a hint: If you see anyone holding a sword by the sharp pointy ends, chances are he doesn't know what he's doing.

All hat and no cattle, as they once said ...

I butter my toast with the fat part.
Is that wrong ?
/

710 Ringo the Gringo  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 1:04:57pm

re: #662 Kenneth

That there is cross-over between 9-11 troofers and Nirthers, yes. That the only ones crossing over are the conservatives nutters, no. I'm sure some so-called Democrat 9-11 troofers are now in the Nirther camp. The allegiance to a given party is less importance thtn their allegiance to paranoid conspiracy theory politics.

The nirthers at this protest, I have come to learn, were mostly Democrats.

Note the P.U.M.A. signs.

711 OldLineTexan  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 1:05:34pm

re: #709 SasquatchOnSteroids

I butter my toast with the fat part.
Is that wrong ?
/

The fat part of what? or who?

/

712 Kragar  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 1:05:38pm

re: #696 albusteve

half of one of those famous 2 pounders...eat it all and it's free!

I think I just ate close to 1 1/2 lbs of prime rib. Damn it was good.

/gnawing on a rib

713 yochanan  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 1:05:45pm

Dear Young Obama Voter,

Congratulations. You have truly changed America. Those of you under 30 voted 66% to 32% for Barack Obama, an unprecedented margin. Your elders 30 and over voted for him, too, but only by a 50% to 49% margin. You converted a 2000-like margin to a solid majority and added significant numbers to the Democratic majorities in Congress.

You voted, as your candidate and our president said, for Hope and Change. But I ask you to consider whether the policies that the president has proposed and in some cases pushed through really amount to that.

I ask you to examine them through the prism of a book published in 1999, when most of you were too young to vote: "The Future and Its Enemies," by Virginia Postrel (an Obama voter too, by the way).

Postrel assesses policies based not on whether they are liberal or conservative but on whether they are dynamist — promoting or leaving room for change — or stasist — tending to freeze institutions and people in place.

By my reckoning, the Obama policies are more stasist than dynamist. The unions' card-check bill, which he backs, would effectively abolish the secret ballot in union elections and impose mandatory federal setting of wages and work rules after 120 days of union-management negotiations.

Centralized mediators would determine your pay and work rules, modeled perhaps after those between the United Auto Workers and what we used to call the Big Three automakers. They have 5,000 pages of work rules. Don't change that light bulb — you have to wait for the right union guy to do it.

Is this the way to enable you to exercise creativity and initiative in your work?

Then there is the cap-and-trade bill to address what we are told is man-caused global warming. Noble intentions here. But it means paying more for electricity in the meantime for a very distant goal.

A similar law in California is threatening blackouts. Renewables sound great, but the wind doesn't always blow and the sun doesn't always shine. How is holding down economic growth going to help you to shape your future?

And there is health care. The intention here — Obama said it back in 2003 and hasn't denied it since — is to send us down a road that leads to government-provided health insurance. His latest trial balloon is a centralized medical procedures board that would decide what treatments the government would pay for and wouldn't.

This would inevitably stifle innovations in drugs and medical devices — stasism, not dynamism. Centralized government isn't fast on the uptake. I've lived nearly 10 years longer than my grandfathers did because I take pills that didn't exist when they were alive.

Don't you want the benefits of innovations and discoveries, like tailored genetic treatments, which don't exist yet? Freezing health care is stasist, not dynamist.

Let's take a look also at foreign policy. You probably didn't like the Iraq War very much, although you might have noticed that we are headed for victory there now — with Obama's help, I should note. But I suspect that you do want America to be a force for good in the world.

That leads me to wonder whether you were dismayed when Obama responded with stony indifference to the people in the streets of Iran protesting a fraudulent election and demanding freedom and democracy.

Some called for the end of a regime that subordinates women and executes homosexuals, things I'm sure you don't like at all. Although Obama eventually indicated some sympathy, he seemed to regard those demands as a nuisance getting in the way of negotiating with Mahmoud Ahmadinejad and the mullahs.

714 zombie  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 1:06:04pm

re: #597 Kenneth

It's code for a violent threat. Make no mistake.

Exactly my point:

code.

715 Ringo the Gringo  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 1:06:21pm

re: #682 zombie

How does everyone keep up with the thread so quickly? I'm always a couple hundred comments behind the leading edge, and thus sometimes am out of the loop! Sigh.

I only read one out of every 10-20 comments.

716 Kenneth  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 1:06:46pm

re: #695 OldLineTexan

Here's a hint: If you see anyone holding a sword by the sharp pointy ends, chances are he doesn't know what he's doing.

Traditionally, to offer a sword handle forward by holding the blade was considered a sign of submission to a superior.

717 Killgore Trout  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 1:06:52pm

re: #658 Gus 802

Here's one directed at congress.

[Link: www.flickr.com...]

Notice the "bulls eye" scope symbols.

I found another one a few months ago with a bulls eye on the back of Obama's head.
Anyone who doubts this stuff can scroll through the flickr or facebook pics. The Tea Parties post these pictures themselves. They are proud of them.

718 Ben Hur  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 1:07:05pm

re: #676 freetoken

Isn't lack of refineries a huge problem?

None built in the US since the 70s?

719 El PlomeroAlex  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 1:07:05pm

re: #698 wrenchwench

Sorry. I'm still getting familiar to the blog. I've been here daily reading the blog. Since I'm at work I rarely sign on. And most of the time some beats me to the post.

720 Coracle  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 1:07:35pm

re: #707 albusteve

the One see's all...anyway think what you will...you can haggle over monikers and how they effect the debate all day...it's pointless, pseudo intellectualism

Except that it matters to people you want on your side, could be on your side, and are not yet.

721 OldLineTexan  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 1:07:37pm

re: #716 Kenneth

Traditionally, to offer a sword handle forward by holding the blade was considered a sign of submission to a superior.

Ah, but a surrendered sword is not in use.

If we have style, but do not use it, do we have style at all?

/zen

722 Gus  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 1:08:09pm

re: #717 Killgore Trout

I found another one a few months ago with a bulls eye on the back of Obama's head.
Anyone who doubts this stuff can scroll through the flickr or facebook pics. The Tea Parties post these pictures themselves. They are proud of them.

I've been grazing through Flickr. I'll take a look for the first one you mentioned.

723 albusteve  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 1:08:16pm

re: #712 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

I think I just ate close to 1 1/2 lbs of prime rib. Damn it was good.

/gnawing on a rib

I'm looking at a commercial sized can of Beef-O-Roni as we speak...must be two friggin gallons!...mmm

724 zombie  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 1:08:22pm

re: #610 Killgore Trout

More here...
John and Ken California Tea Party and Tax Revolt 2009


[Video]

Gotcha.

725 Killgore Trout  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 1:08:36pm

re: #710 Ringo the Gringo

I've been wondering; Did the PUMAS ever really exist in the real world? It seems they were an internet phenomenon but I'm not sure how real they were.

726 OldLineTexan  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 1:09:18pm

I feel a disturbance in the Force, as if a memory hole just opened up.

727 Desert Dog  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 1:09:21pm

re: #725 Killgore Trout

I've been wondering; Did the PUMAS ever really exist in the real world? It seems they were an internet phenomenon but I'm not sure how real they were.

More real than unicorns, but just barely

728 Sharmuta  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 1:09:29pm

re: #706 Kenneth

LOL! Just imaging the questions we would have to ask...

As a current Nirther do you consider yourself a Republican nutter or a Democrat nutter? Were you formerly also a 9-11 Troofer & if so what party did you support when you believed that crazy-ass shit? Is Elvis alive?

LOL!

Maybe we could get ron paul to fund it if we also asked them if they'd consider him for president.

729 Cato the Elder  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 1:10:33pm

re: #713 yochanan

LOL. You lost them with the math in paragraph one.

Take a cue from Scarah and scream about "def panils". You can't talk to the American voter with facts, questions and reason.

[switches iPod back on]

See ya!

730 Pianobuff  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 1:11:01pm

re: #725 Killgore Trout

I've been wondering; Did the PUMAS ever really exist in the real world? It seems they were an internet phenomenon but I'm not sure how real they were.

My 2 aunts weren't PUMAs in name but they voted for McCain this time around primarily because of feelings on how Hillary was treated. Some of their friends did the same, so they tell me. Not sure if that counts per your question, though, and of course this is completely anecdotal.

731 albusteve  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 1:11:10pm

re: #720 Coracle

Except that it matters to people you want on your side, could be on your side, and are not yet.

I don't have a side...I really don't care what they call BO, I'm still interested in their point of view...call him whatever you want

732 kansas  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 1:11:18pm

re: #549 OldLineTexan

OT: Any Lizards in Kansas City?

If so, thanks for the use of your city for the last week. Especially Westport, the WW1 National Museum, and Jack Stack BBQ.

/

Next time give me a call. I'll buy you a beer.

733 Coracle  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 1:11:18pm

re: #713 yochanan

Shouldn't you cite op-eds you're going to copy and paste, uncommented?

734 zombie  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 1:11:29pm

re: #612 Kenneth

Which point are you referring to?

The point being that I referred to that Maryland "Death to Obama etc." sign in the very first sentence of my report as cited it as the whole basis of what I was writing about -- i.e. that disgusting horrible death threats against Obama at protests should be and are being investigated; but that countless similar death threats against Bush at protests never were.

735 Cato the Elder  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 1:12:15pm

re: #733 Coracle

Shouldn't you cite op-eds you're going to copy and paste, uncommented?

He wants you to think he can write.

736 OldLineTexan  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 1:12:24pm

re: #732 kansas

Next time give me a call. I'll buy you a beer.

I found the folks there to be very friendly. I will look you up.

/oh, crap, does that make me a stalker?

//

737 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 1:13:01pm

re: #706 Kenneth

LOL! Just imaging the questions we would have to ask...

As a current Nirther do you consider yourself a Republican nutter or a Democrat nutter? Were you formerly also a 9-11 Troofer & if so what party did you support when you believed that crazy-ass shit? Is Elvis alive?

"Do you believe in ESP, astral projectory, telekenisis, full-trance mediums, The Loch Ness Monster & the theory of Atlantis?"
"If there's a steady paycheck in it, I'll believe anything you say."

738 redstateredneck  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 1:13:08pm

re: #596 zombie

Hmmm...looks like my whole point is being missed!

Not by everyone.

739 SecondComing  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 1:13:11pm

Surfing lgf on my new iPhone 3GS!
Sorry Sharmuta, tried to upding your
comment but hit report instead. Icons
are all so close when looking on here.
Charles, lgf app?

740 OldLineTexan  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 1:13:15pm

re: #735 Cato the Elder

He wants you to think he can write.

Wow, you can mind-read with your iPod in your ears.

That's multi-tasking. What am I thinking right now? Does it sound like I'm singing show tunes?

741 Sheila Broflovski  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 1:13:44pm

re: #717 Killgore Trout

I found another one a few months ago with a bulls eye on the back of Obama's head.
Anyone who doubts this stuff can scroll through the flickr or facebook pics. The Tea Parties post these pictures themselves. They are proud of them.

I'm looking at Free Republic. Haven't found any Obama Death Threat pics, just a bunch of Nirther silliness.

If I did find a bunch of Obama Death Threat pics, I would post them instead of telling everyone else to run off and do my homework for me.

742 experiencedtraveller  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 1:13:56pm

re: #604 Charles

Jefferson didn't fear violent revolution because he was in the middle of one, against England. The quote is specifically about the time Jefferson lived in, and is not supposed to be some kind of prescription for never-ending revolution.

Jefferson believed that tyranny was the natural state and liberty the exception. And people living under liberty could grow lethargic to encroaching tyranny. And that rebellion against that encroachment was vital in maintaining liberty.

God forbid we should ever be 20 years without such a rebellion


and

what country can preserve it's liberties if their rulers are not warned from time to time that their people preserve the spirit of resistance?

Surely he is writing this for the ages and not just his present condition.

Of course, it is one of his writings that is most easily misused and abused.

743 Killgore Trout  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 1:14:11pm

re: #730 Pianobuff

My 2 aunts weren't PUMAs in name but they voted for McCain this time around primarily because of feelings on how Hillary was treated. Some of their friends did the same, so they tell me. Not sure if that counts per your question, though, and of course this is completely anecdotal.


Anecdotal is good enough for me. I just never encountered them in the real world so I thought it was maybe an astroturf Republican thing or something.

744 Kenneth  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 1:14:21pm

re: #700 Pianobuff

Interesting. Any way you slice it, there is a disturbingly large number of people who believe in irrational conspiracy theories.

On a related tangent, recent psychiatric research has discovered that a surprisingly large percentage of people have experienced hallucinations, delusions or other thought disorders. Alex Jones is clearly a raving paranoid. It should be surprising to learn that a majority of Nirthers and Twoofers have similar psychiatric conditions.

745 zombie  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 1:14:23pm

re: #643 Charles

Yes, he is -- "Thanks, Mr. O" is written at the bottom right of the top half of the sign...

Dang that is hard to notice! If you hadn't pointed it out, I would not have seen it.

Definitely noted.

746 capitalist piglet  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 1:15:07pm

re: #729 Cato the Elder

LOL. You lost them with the math in paragraph one.

Take a cue from Scarah and scream about "def panils". You can't talk to the American voter with facts, questions and reason.

[switches iPod back on]

See ya!

Perhaps you prefer Nat Hentoff. He seems to share some concerns with Sarah Palin, but he's most decidedly not a "bimbo". /

[Link: jewishworldreview.com...]

747 itellu3times  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 1:16:20pm

re: #742 experiencedtraveller

Jefferson believed that tyranny was the natural state and liberty the exception. And people living under liberty could grow lethargic to encroaching tyranny. And that rebellion against that encroachment was vital in maintaining liberty.

And he was one of the more radical of the founding fathers, at least John Adams thought so!

748 zombie  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 1:16:35pm

re: #653 Cato the Elder

Can't excuse them. Then Zombie couldn't claim the Left's were worse.

I'm saying saying they were worse -- I'm saying they were ignored by the media and (as far as I or anyone can tell) went generally unpunished.

749 OldLineTexan  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 1:16:40pm

PUMAS were a Nazi plot.

Proof:
Mark IV Panzers were designed and built by Porsche, working for the Nazis.
They were called "Panthers".
Panther = Mountain Lion = Puma.

/it's ALL a plot

/South Park political analysis wins again (troofer episode)

750 Sharmuta  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 1:16:55pm

re: #739 SecondComing

Surfing lgf on my new iPhone 3GS!
Sorry Sharmuta, tried to upding your
comment but hit report instead. Icons
are all so close when looking on here.
Charles, lgf app?

I believe there is one.

751 Cato the Elder  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 1:17:01pm

re: #746 capitalist piglet

Perhaps you prefer Nat Hentoff. He seems to share some concerns with Sarah Palin, but he's most decidedly not a "bimbo". /

[Link: jewishworldreview.com...]

Hentoff lost my respect around the same time as Chomsky.

752 zombie  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 1:17:18pm

re: #658 Gus 802

Here's one directed at congress.

[Link: www.flickr.com...]

Notice the "bulls eye" scope symbols.

Egregious -- but a different topic.

753 Kenneth  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 1:17:33pm

re: #734 zombie

I do not discount your point. It is obvious the Bush death threat protests were not investigated or taken as seriously as the Obama threats are today. The media certainly hypes the Obama threats for political reasons.

That said, the threat against Michelle & the kids is especially disgusting.

754 Pianobuff  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 1:17:43pm

re: #743 Killgore Trout

Anecdotal is good enough for me. I just never encountered them in the real world so I thought it was maybe an astroturf Republican thing or something.

Well, like I said they would probably not call themselves PUMAs, in fact I had to explain the term to them when first bringing it up. They weren't organized with any PUMAs, etc. The sentiment was the same, however. They haven't changed party ids (still Ds) nor would I guess that they would ever.

755 yochanan  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 1:18:01pm

The foreign policy experts call this "realism." I call it stasist. It leaves America standing not for hope and change, but for the status quo and despair.

I am sure that you find it inspiring that America elected its first black president (I do too). And I am sure you appreciate Obama's openness to alternative lifestyles, although you may have noticed that he, like George W. Bush and unlike Dick Cheney, opposes same-sex marriage.

The larger point is this: You want policies that will enable you to choose your future. Obama backs policies that would let centralized authorities choose much of your future for you. Is this the hope and change you want?

Your friend and admirer,

Michael Barone

second part of the letter from Michael Barone. for those who don't give me the time to post it
i would have linked the blog it came from but i did with out asking charles first.

756 ArchangelMichael  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 1:18:06pm

re: #749 OldLineTexan

/South Park political analysis wins again (troofer episode)

So Kyle is responsible for 9/11, the PUMAs, and dropping a deuce in the urinal?

757 sattv4u2  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 1:18:21pm

re: #740 OldLineTexan

Wow, you can mind-read with your iPod in your ears.

That's multi-tasking. What am I thinking right now? Does it sound like I'm singing show tunes?

Yes ,,and the voice sounds like Kate Smith!

758 Ringo the Gringo  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 1:18:22pm

re: #725 Killgore Trout

I've been wondering; Did the PUMAS ever really exist in the real world? It seems they were an internet phenomenon but I'm not sure how real they were.

I don't know the answer. At this little nirther protest there were about 4 or 5 ladies who, through their signs, identified themselves PUMAS. Another couple of signs held at that same demonstration said something like "Democrats against Obama".

About a month after I posted that report I received an angry email from someone who claimed to be part of the demonstration who said that almost everyone there was a Democrat.

I never updated my report because I'm lazy.

759 eschew_obfuscation  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 1:18:27pm

re: #716 Kenneth

Traditionally, to offer a sword handle forward by holding the blade was considered a sign of submission to a superior.


I've been trying to get my dog to do that for a long time, but he just doesn't seem to get it...

760 Buck  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 1:18:29pm

re: #676 freetoken

The DRILL BABY DRILL is simply bait for those who are unwilling to come to the truth about the US and oil: we cannot possibly supply our own needs by drilling for oil. The US is the most explored large nation in the world for oil. Our problem is our lust for oil far exceeds our resources.

The expression said often is that the USA buys oil from people who hate them. My understanding is that the USA imports more oil from Canada than any other country. And we don't hate you.

With just a small piece of the 700 billion, the USA, Canada, and Mexico could organize and live on just the oil we create domestically.

There is more oil in Canada than Iraq... but don't get any ideas about invading Canada...You tried it once before and it didn't go well for you. (BTW I have visited the White house since you repaired it, and you can hardly see where we burned it down).

761 Killgore Trout  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 1:18:48pm

re: #741 Alouette

I've posted many of these pics in the past and I caught a lot of shit for doing so. Now people are demanding I go back and find specific things from months ago and repost them even thought they were telling me not to post them in the first place.
If they really want to see them they can find them for themselves. They should have been paying attention when I posted them the first time.

762 Sharmuta  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 1:18:53pm

re: #739 SecondComing

Surfing lgf on my new iPhone 3GS!
Sorry Sharmuta, tried to upding your
comment but hit report instead. Icons
are all so close when looking on here.
Charles, lgf app?

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

763 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 1:18:54pm

re: #744 Kenneth

A lot of schizophrenics tell stories of witnessing super-natural, paranormal, or "miraculous" events.

However, when those persons are prone to delusions and hallucinations...

764 Kragar  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 1:19:18pm

Radical Gaza Islamists vow to defy Hamas

A number of radical Islamist groups vowed on Tuesday to defy with force any attempt by the Hamas rulers of the Gaza Strip to rein them in following last week's deadly clashes.

"The operation against our members by the Hamas government will not affect any of our operations on the ground," Ansar Al-Sunna, which unites a number of radical Islamic movements in the Gaza Strip, said in a statement.

"Our members will not surrender... We ordered our fighters to defend with force against any arrest attempt," the statement said.

I wish both sides the best of lucks in their power squabble.

P.S. Avoid tall buildings

765 Gus  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 1:19:26pm

I don't want to say which one was or is worse but let's keep in mind that we are comparing 8 years of Bush vs. 7 months for Obama. To be accurate we would have to compare it within the first 7 months. Or, wait until after Obama's final term(s) are finished.

/Just sayin'. :)

766 SasquatchOnSteroids  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 1:20:02pm

re: #746 capitalist piglet

Perhaps you prefer Nat Hentoff. He seems to share some concerns with Sarah Palin, but he's most decidedly not a "bimbo". /

[Link: jewishworldreview.com...]

I was not intimidated during J. Edgar Hoover's FBI hunt for reporters like me who criticized him. I railed against the Bush-Cheney war on the Bill of Rights without blinking. But now I am finally scared of a White House administration. President Obama's desired health care reform intends that a federal board (similar to the British model) — as in the Center for Health Outcomes Research and Evaluation in a current Democratic bill — decides whether your quality of life, regardless of your political party, merits government-controlled funds to keep you alive. Watch for that life-decider in the final bill. It's already in the stimulus bill signed into law.

OMG he actually wrote that ...
I suppose if their was some provision in there for ideologues, he'd be down with that.

767 Killgore Trout  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 1:20:33pm

re: #765 Gus 802

Another good point.

768 SecondComing  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 1:20:46pm

re: #750 Sharmuta

I believe there is one.

Will look for it, thanks

769 Dianna  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 1:21:05pm

re: #745 zombie

Dang that is hard to notice! If you hadn't pointed it out, I would not have seen it.

Definitely noted.

I've got it up in another tab. I've just got a smear of blue, and I can't read it.

My eyes are bad and getting worse, but I've enlarged it three times, and now it's too damned smeary to read. If you use it, you might want to circle and enhance it.

770 wrenchwench  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 1:21:06pm

re: #719 El PlomeroAlex

Sorry. I'm still getting familiar to the blog. I've been here daily reading the blog. Since I'm at work I rarely sign on. And most of the time some beats me to the post.

Welcome. I'm in and out myself.

771 OldLineTexan  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 1:21:15pm

re: #756 ArchangelMichael

So Kyle is responsible for 9/11, the PUMAs, and dropping a deuce in the urinal?

I loved the GW Bush lines at the end.

/

772 Sheila Broflovski  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 1:21:27pm

re: #756 ArchangelMichael

So Kyle is responsible for 9/11, the PUMAs, and dropping a deuce in the urinal?

Stan dropped the deuce in the urinal.

773 zombie  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 1:21:52pm

re: #686 albusteve

you seem to want to discount implied threats, that only direct threats count...most people realize you can do much more of the former than the ladder and the message is just as clear...

That's because if I made a report that included implied threats to Bush, I'd have to build an entirely new extra Internet just to hold all the hard drives containing the billions of images documenting them.

774 yochanan  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 1:22:19pm

re: #733 Coracle

give me a chance to post the second part were i note the author
no one liked the teachers pet in school either, this isn't a term paper were i have to foot note, i did put the author name on it.

775 Sheila Broflovski  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 1:22:47pm

re: #765 Gus 802

I don't want to say which one was or is worse but let's keep in mind that we are comparing 8 years of Bush vs. 7 months for Obama. To be accurate we would have to compare it within the first 7 months. Or, wait until after Obama's final term(s) are finished.

/Just sayin'. :)

Good point. The first 7 months of Bush's term the Dems were whining about how the election was "stolen" from them.

776 Shiplord Kirel  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 1:23:21pm

Btw, in researching the Greensboro Massacre, I've found several calls from Nazis for a 30th anniversary march in Greensboro next November (no link, no way):

So, how about another march on Greensboro? To commemorate the 30th anniversary of the stunning White victory over left-wing, Jew led communism! I don't know if there has been another march in Greensboro since the one in '79, or if there was ever a march to commemorate the anniversary. But it would be nice to see and it may attract media attention (if that is a goal). I think that Klan groups, the NSM, or any other groups that have at their heart the preservation and defense of the White race would be good participants.

Any thoughts? If this has not already been done it could ignite a firestorm... (emphasis added)


This is followed by a singularly unconvincing disclaimer:

Nothing I say on this or any other site should ever be construed as encouraging anyone to commit unlawful acts, or as a statement of intent to commit any myself.


I have noticed that most white supremacist agitation seems to come from self-identified Nazis these days. The Klan as a distinct entity seems to be in decline. Maybe it's just a matter of style. What self-respecting psycho wouldn't take a fetishistic black uniform over a frumpy bedsheet any day?

777 shortshrift  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 1:23:31pm

re: #596 zombie

Hmmm...looks like my whole point is being missed!

Yes, for reasons that I try to outline in a couple of direct posts on your article.

778 albusteve  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 1:23:56pm

The DRILL BABY DRILL is simply bait for those who are unwilling to come to the truth about the US and oil: we cannot possibly supply our own needs by drilling for oil. The US is the most explored large nation in the world for oil. Our problem is our lust for oil far exceeds our resources.

so we build windmills instead?...the left is determined to wreak havoc on our economy with it's obstructionism...nothing ventured, nothing gained

779 aggieann  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 1:23:58pm

re: #709 SasquatchOnSteroids

I butter my toast with the fat part.
Is that wrong ?
/

I eat my peas with honey
I've done it all my life
It may sound rather funny
But it keeps them on the knife.

780 redstateredneck  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 1:24:03pm

re: #718 Ben Hur

Isn't lack of refineries a huge problem?

None built in the US since the 70s?

They show it, too.

781 OldLineTexan  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 1:24:08pm

re: #760 Buck

The expression said often is that the USA buys oil from people who hate them. My understanding is that the USA imports more oil from Canada than any other country. And we don't hate you.

With just a small piece of the 700 billion, the USA, Canada, and Mexico could organize and live on just the oil we create domestically.

There is more oil in Canada than Iraq... but don't get any ideas about invading Canada...You tried it once before and it didn't go well for you. (BTW I have visited the White house since you repaired it, and you can hardly see where we burned it down).

There was a time when the United States was a puny, feeble country, especially compared to the nicer bits of the British Empire.

That passed about 70 years ago.

/

782 Coracle  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 1:24:13pm

re: #774 yochanan

give me a chance to post the second part were i note the author
no one liked the teachers pet in school either, this isn't a term paper were i have to foot note, i did put the author name on it.

Noted. It'd have been easier to say what you were doing at the start, rather than the end. Or easier still simply to have posted the link.

783 OldLineTexan  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 1:24:43pm

re: #778 albusteve

The DRILL BABY DRILL is simply bait for those who are unwilling to come to the truth about the US and oil: we cannot possibly supply our own needs by drilling for oil. The US is the most explored large nation in the world for oil. Our problem is our lust for oil far exceeds our resources.

so we build windmills instead?...the left is determined to wreak havoc on our economy with it's obstructionism...nothing ventured, nothing gained

windmills hurt teh birdees

784 albusteve  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 1:24:46pm

re: #773 zombie

That's because if I made a report that included implied threats to Bush, I'd have to build an entirely new extra Internet just to hold all the hard drives containing the billions of images documenting them.

it's since been cleared up...and thanks again for all your efforts

785 yochanan  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 1:24:50pm

re: #760 Buck

your colonial overlords did it kind of think you would not have been able to do it with out the british army and navy

but then the last war that the quebers won was the cod war back in 1700

786 OldLineTexan  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 1:25:57pm

re: #770 wrenchwench

Welcome. I'm in and out myself.

Do you have a squeezebox?

/sorry, I couldn't help it

787 zombie  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 1:26:07pm

re: #717 Killgore Trout

I found another one a few months ago with a bulls eye on the back of Obama's head.
Anyone who doubts this stuff can scroll through the flickr or facebook pics. The Tea Parties post these pictures themselves. They are proud of them.

A link would be delicious!

I can't just say to my readers "Scroll around the internet -- you'll probably find a bunch more!" I need to supply the examples myself.

788 Pianobuff  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 1:26:27pm

re: #744 Kenneth

Interesting. Any way you slice it, there is a disturbingly large number of people who believe in irrational conspiracy theories.

On a related tangent, recent psychiatric research has discovered that a surprisingly large percentage of people have experienced hallucinations, delusions or other thought disorders. Alex Jones is clearly a raving paranoid. It should be surprising to learn that a majority of Nirthers and Twoofers have similar psychiatric conditions.

I sometimes wonder whether AJ actually believes this stuff or not. The only reason I say that is that there are so many conspiracy theories that are in direct conflict with each other (faked moon landing vs. astronauts seeing alien bases when they landed on the moon is just one, but there are lots and lots of others) and he seems to give all of them attention. But maybe your right and his particular wiring is set up to handle holding two opposite points of view concurrently.

Nevertheless, his audience craves the anarcho-populist message because of their unimaginably strong perceptions that the world is spinning out of control and there may be some legitimate illness involved.

789 Gus  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 1:26:51pm

re: #775 Alouette

Good point. The first 7 months of Bush's term the Dems were whining about how the election was "stolen" from them.

Yep. Or the rather large inaugural protests. In Obama's case we are now getting the health care protests. Perhaps that equals things out so to speak on that front.

790 Gus  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 1:27:10pm

Worn out for other reasons...

Later folks.

791 kcladderman  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 1:27:12pm

re: #736 OldLineTexan

I found the folks there to be very friendly. I will look you up.

/oh, crap, does that make me a stalker?

//

Did you run into my ex wife she is VERYfriendly
/

792 SecondComing  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 1:27:23pm

re: #762 Sharmuta

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

Thank you!

793 Randall Gross  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 1:27:42pm

re: #776 Shiplord Kirel

Btw, in researching the Greensboro Massacre, I've found several calls from Nazis for a 30th anniversary march in Greensboro next November (no link, no way):


I have noticed that most white supremacist agitation seems to come from self-identified Nazis these days. The Klan as a distinct entity seems to be in decline. Maybe it's just a matter of style. What self-respecting psycho wouldn't take a fetishistic black uniform over a frumpy bedsheet any day?

The Klan's not on the decline, they are just going the Tea cup racialist route. Trust me the Neoconfederacy is alive and well. They tend to mix with the Nazis pretty well.

794 OldLineTexan  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 1:28:59pm

re: #791 kcladderman

Did you run into my ex wife she is VERYfriendly
/

I didn't flirt with any strange wimmins!

795 capitalist piglet  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 1:29:31pm

re: #766 SasquatchOnSteroids

OMG he actually wrote that ...
I suppose if their was some provision in there for ideologues, he'd be down with that.

I had skimmed right over that line! Upding.

I will be charitable and presume he is warning his fellow liberals that they won't be exempt from the rules once they're in place, in an effort to remind them they, too, have skin in the game.

He seems to understand this quite well.

796 albusteve  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 1:29:36pm

energy and poker...

the Right and the Left sit down for some draw poker...
the Left deals the cards...
the Right looks over it's hand and tosses one away...
the Left looks at it's cards, becomes agitated, and declares MISS DEAL!

797 wrenchwench  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 1:31:23pm

re: #793 Thanos

The Klan's not on the decline, they are just going the Tea cup racialist route. Trust me the Neoconfederacy is alive and well. They tend to mix with the Nazis pretty well.

Rebranding!

798 Kenneth  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 1:32:04pm

re: #788 Pianobuff

Conspiracy Theories exhibit characteristics of projection, splitting, paranoia and disordered thinking. Looked at that way, they are indistinguishable from various psychotic delusions of the mentally ill.

799 zombie  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 1:32:12pm

OK, this thread is finally petering out. Thank God! I finally got to the leading edge of comments.

Thanks for the challenges and counter-examples everyone. My report will be stronger because of your efforts!

800 redstateredneck  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 1:33:22pm

re: #775 Alouette

Good point. The first 7 months of Bush's term the Dems were whining about how the election was "stolen" from them.

The Secretary of State of the United States of America still is.

801 sattv4u2  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 1:34:21pm

re: #765 Gus 802

I don't want to say which one was or is worse but let's keep in mind that we are comparing 8 years of Bush vs. 7 months for Obama. To be accurate we would have to compare it within the first 7 months. Or, wait until after Obama's final term(s) are finished.

/Just sayin'. :)

During the 1st seven months of Bush's 1st term the protests, demonstartions and alll were about him "stealing" the election from Gore and not being "legit".

802 Sharmuta  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 1:39:25pm

re: #776 Shiplord Kirel

Here's a news link about the neo-nazis meeting in Greensboro:

Greensboro police are preparing for the possibility that a meeting of the neo-Nazi National Socialist Movement could be held in the city later this month.

The NSM, a group which describes itself as “defending the rights of white people everywhere,” is planning its Southeast/Mid-Atlantic Regional meeting on Aug. 29, according to the group’s Web site.

[Link: www.news-record.com...]

803 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 1:40:14pm

re: #760 Buck

The expression said often is that the USA buys oil from people who hate them. My understanding is that the USA imports more oil from Canada than any other country. And we don't hate you.

With just a small piece of the 700 billion, the USA, Canada, and Mexico could organize and live on just the oil we create domestically.


I've been saying that for years. Throw in the UK, Norway & the others who drill the North Sea & we could create a democratic alternative to OPEC.

804 Killgore Trout  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 1:40:46pm

re: #787 zombie

A link would be delicious!

I can't just say to my readers "Scroll around the internet -- you'll probably find a bunch more!" I need to supply the examples myself.

I found it at a Tea Party FaceBook Page a few months ago. I don't think I could find the link again if I tried. I also found on last week on Flickr from one of the Phoenix protests saying, "Iran: Kill their tyrants and ours." Sorry but I just don't have the time to dig up the link. I stopped posting those pictures because I think I proved my point about the Tea Parties and I don't want to rub people's noses in it.

The point remains; People at Tea Parties do carry signs about killing Obama and are not investigated by the Secret Service. There's just no way to track down somebody in Ohio whose pic shows up on some obscure web page. Pics threatening Obama are out there and there are plenty of them. I'll post them as I find them.

805 Yashmak  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 1:47:17pm

re: #623 Buck

Actually ratings are looked at in a BIG picture view, and Becks high numbers allow FOX to charge more in other time slots.

You have to see the BOOK... FOX news really is killing the other guys in every key demographic.

That Liberal you know who says he would never watch FOX? Well she probably is. Kinda like pornography... the numbers mean that many more are watching that will admit.

Granted, people love watching Jerry Springer in the same way, but viewer ratings is only part of the equation, which was the point I was trying (perhaps not clearly) to make. It would have to be weighed by the management as a comparison between the amount of extra revenue created by his program (if any), compared with the the revenue he's driving into other time slots, while also compensating for any hits they might be taking (or benefit they might be gaining) from shuffling other advertisers into his time slot.

806 zombie  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 2:00:04pm

re: #804 Killgore Trout

OK.

807 Killgore Trout  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 2:01:00pm

re: #804 Killgore Trout

Here we go...
Death to Dictators (theirs and ours)

808 Killgore Trout  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 2:02:08pm

re: #806 zombie

If you really want them I'll keep a running list of bookmarks as I find them.

809 SpaceJesus  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 2:05:43pm

ill take his slot

810 Hawaii69  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 3:56:50pm

Referring to it as "Glenn Beck Comedy Hour" suggests that he's actually funny.

From the bits and pieces I've seen, "Tragedy Hour" would be more appropriate.

811 cybermonk  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 4:27:50pm

re: #286 Sharmuta

thats not true, if you don't like him, don't listen,but don't give Soros a victory.

812 cybermonk  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 4:35:34pm

re: #504 Charles
That is a quote from Thomas Jefferson, I lelieve

813 zombie  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 5:23:21pm

re: #807 Killgore Trout

Here we go...
Death to Dictators (theirs and ours)

Good one! Got it. Thanks.

re: #808 Killgore Trout

If you really want them I'll keep a running list of bookmarks as I find them.

No no no, not a big deal, don't want to put you to a lot of unnecessary work. I think I've got a tidy little pile of counter-examples now.

814 katemaclaren  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 7:31:59pm

re: #812 cybermonk

That is a quote from Thomas Jefferson, I lelieve

Yes, it is Thomas Jefferson.

815 katemaclaren  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 7:33:53pm

re: #799 zombie

OK, this thread is finally petering out. Thank God! I finally got to the leading edge of comments.

Thanks for the challenges and counter-examples everyone. My report will be stronger because of your efforts!

Best of luck, Zombie.

816 katemaclaren  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 7:36:07pm

re: #804 Killgore Trout

I've been to four tea parties--and there were hundreds of people there--none were carrying kill Obama signs or anything like that. I wasn't carrying a sign, but if I did, it would be "Taxed Enough Already".

817 Fearless Fred  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 11:02:56pm

re: #816 katemaclaren

I've been to four tea parties--and there were hundreds of people there--none were carrying kill Obama signs or anything like that. I wasn't carrying a sign, but if I did, it would be "Taxed Enough Already".


There was nothing like that among the more than 10,000 attending the tea party I dropped into here in Austin.

818 reaganII  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 5:59:46pm

Noticed many of you admit to not watching much of Glenn Beck. You may need to change that. He's about to expose who the Czar's are in the White House. Our government has been hijacked and we'd better know who they are. Glenn Beck is the messenger. His material is whats important.
Try watching entire shows to get information.

819 Charles Johnson  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 10:30:12pm

Good grief. The wackos always come out when everyone else is gone.


This article has been archived.
Comments are closed.

Jump to top

Create a PageThis is the LGF Pages posting bookmarklet. To use it, drag this button to your browser's bookmark bar, and title it 'LGF Pages' (or whatever you like). Then browse to a site you want to post, select some text on the page to use for a quote, click the bookmarklet, and the Pages posting window will appear with the title, text, and any embedded video or audio files already filled in, ready to go.
Or... you can just click this button to open the Pages posting window right away.
Last updated: 2023-04-04 11:11 am PDT LGF User's Guide RSS Feeds

Help support Little Green Footballs!

Subscribe now for ad-free access!Register and sign in to a free LGF account before subscribing, and your ad-free access will be automatically enabled.

Donate with
PayPal Cash.app
Recent PagesClick to refresh
The Pandemic Cost 7 Million Lives, but Talks to Prevent a Repeat Stall In late 2021, as the world reeled from the arrival of the highly contagious omicron variant of the coronavirus, representatives of almost 200 countries met - some online, some in-person in Geneva - hoping to forestall a future worldwide ...
Cheechako
3 days ago
Views: 120 • Comments: 0 • Rating: 1
Texas County at Center of Border Fight Is Overwhelmed by Migrant Deaths EAGLE PASS, Tex. - The undertaker lighted a cigarette and held it between his latex-gloved fingers as he stood over the bloated body bag lying in the bed of his battered pickup truck. The woman had been fished out ...
Cheechako
2 weeks ago
Views: 280 • Comments: 0 • Rating: 1