Ingredient for Life in a Comet’s Tail

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A fascinating discovery, from the tail of a comet 242 million miles away from Earth: Building block of life found on comet.

LOS ANGELES (Reuters) - The amino acid glycine, a fundamental building block of proteins, has been found in a comet for the first time, bolstering the theory that raw ingredients of life arrived on Earth from outer space, scientists said on Monday.

Microscopic traces of glycine were discovered in a sample of particles retrieved from the tail of comet Wild 2 by the NASA spacecraft Stardust deep in the solar system some 242 million miles (390 million km) from Earth, in January 2004.

Samples of gas and dust collected on a small dish lined with a super-fluffy material called aerogel were returned to Earth two years later in a canister that detached from the spacecraft and landed by parachute in the Utah desert.

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115 comments
1 Sharmuta  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 3:15:53pm

We are all made of stars. And comets.

2 Bloodnok  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 3:17:03pm

I didn't come from no stinkin' comet!

/

3 jcm  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 3:18:54pm

re: #1 Sharmuta

We are all made of stars. And comets.

Stardust...

From Stardust to Stardust.

4 jcm  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 3:19:14pm

re: #2 Bloodnok

I didn't come from no stinkin' comet!

/

We'll I'll be a comet's uncle!

5 Kragar  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 3:19:44pm

Brought this up to a co-worker, about how it opens the door to all kinds of questions and shows the potential for life elsewhere and how it could have evolved here.

He simply remarked its all bullshit and doesn't prove anything.

I can only think how sad it is to be so close minded when presented with information and discounting it so easily.

6 Mich-again  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 3:20:38pm

Comets may have brought the water here too.

7 jcm  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 3:22:35pm

Just remember it's a turtle that carries the comets around the universe!

8 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 3:22:45pm

re: #5 Kragar (proud to be kafir)

I usually get the :eye-roll: followed by "You have quite an imagination".

I feel your pain. :)

9 callahan23  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 3:23:38pm

I predict a late meltdown at 250.

Ah the beauty of science. Discovering a life-building ingredient 242 million miles (390 million km) from Earth.
A nice 'n verifiable ZING to creationists.
/ Doh, forgot, they are fact resistant.

10 ArmyWife  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 3:23:38pm

Well look at that! We're all aliens now!

seriously, this is pretty darn cool!

11 Sharmuta  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 3:23:40pm
"The discovery of glycine in a comet supports the idea that the fundamental building blocks of life are prevalent in space, and strengthens the argument that life in the universe may be common rather than rare," said Carl Pilcher, the director of the NASA Astrobiology Institute in California, which co-funded the research.

If life could evolve here, it's certainly possible there's more out there.

Additionally- biologists have been studying how RNA evolved from proteins. This discovery will be of interest to them I'm sure.

12 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 3:25:33pm

Oh, yeah, aerogel is pretty awesome in it's own right.

13 Kragar  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 3:25:45pm

re: #8 Slumbering Behemoth

I usually get the :eye-roll: followed by "You have quite an imagination".

I feel your pain. :)

I response involved asking if the world he lived in was still flat and the sun revolved it.

Yeah, it was a fun morning after that.

14 Kragar  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 3:26:43pm

re: #9 callahan23

I predict a late meltdown at 250.

Ah the beauty of science. Discovering a life-building ingredient 242 million miles (390 million km) from Earth.
A nice 'n verifiable ZING to creationists.
/ Doh, forgot, they are fact resistant.

THATS A 242 MILLION MILE GAP!

/

15 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 3:27:05pm

re: #9 callahan23

They have evolved a teflon coating that surrounds their logic receptors.
/

16 SixDegrees  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 3:29:14pm
Microscopic traces of glycine were discovered in a sample of particles retrieved from the tail of comet Wild 2 by the NASA spacecraft Stardust deep in the solar system some 242 million miles (390 million km) from Earth

Obviously a malicious lie. Everyone knows the firmament is only 60,000 furlongs away.

/Just in case it's needed.

17 ArmyWife  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 3:29:17pm

re: #15 Slumbering Behemoth

Here, show them this picture of life on Mars.

[Link: www.thesun.co.uk...]

Seriously, why would it even make sense to think in all of the universe and/or space in general would we be the only lifeforms?

18 Kragar  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 3:31:06pm

re: #17 ArmyWife

Here, show them this picture of life on Mars.

[Link: www.thesun.co.uk...]

Seriously, why would it even make sense to think in all of the universe and/or space in general would we be the only lifeforms?

When did Sasquatch get a space shuttle?

19 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 3:33:17pm

re: #17 ArmyWife

Seriously, why would it even make sense to think in all of the universe and/or space in general would we be the only lifeforms?

It doesn't make sense, even when you take into account the many, many fortuitous conditions required for a planet to develop and sustain life.

What I fear? That when we finally begin exploring the stars in earnest we will find that we are the oldest, most advanced life forms out there. How depressing would that be?

20 jcm  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 3:33:39pm

re: #17 ArmyWife

Here, show them this picture of life on Mars.

[Link: www.thesun.co.uk...]

Seriously, why would it even make sense to think in all of the universe and/or space in general would we be the only lifeforms?

The Truth about the Mars missions is out there!

21 Crimsonfisted  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 3:34:35pm

re: #17 ArmyWife

Here, show them this picture of life on Mars.

[Link: www.thesun.co.uk...]

Seriously, why would it even make sense to think in all of the universe and/or space in general would we be the only lifeforms?

That image looks like Han Solo and Bigfoot to me.

22 ArmyWife  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 3:37:26pm

I'll be back later. I must go make dinner for my family who claim to be starving. Venison burgers, fingerling potato salad and steamed broccoli is on today's menu.

23 albusteve  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 3:37:52pm

re: #3 jcm

Stardust...

From Stardust to Stardust.

we are golden

24 callahan23  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 3:38:13pm

re: #15 Slumbering Behemoth

They have evolved a teflon coating that surrounds their logic receptors.
/

My thinking was exactly in that same direction.
Anything that doesn't fit into their world-view will be ignored. I actually own a t-shirt with a message for them:
"You have the right to remain stupid,
everything you say
can an will be ignored."

25 albusteve  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 3:39:34pm

re: #18 Kragar (proud to be kafir)

When did Sasquatch get a space shuttle?

don't be dissin the big guy...he could fly a rocket if he had to

26 jcm  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 3:39:48pm

re: #22 ArmyWife

I'll be back later. I must go make dinner for my family who claim to be starving. Venison burgers, fingerling potato salad and steamed broccoli is on today's menu.

mmm, I'll bring the wine!

27 A Man for all Seasons  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 3:40:14pm

Who planted the building blocks to DNA in the Comet? Somebody call the FBI!
There are more stars in the universe than in all the sand in all the beaches on Earth...The number is incredible...How could anyone possibly believe that there are building blocks of life in space? And for the religion people here..( and I love ya) Why would God just create life here? Because we are so special? Maybe the universe is God's little Garden...
I think the lesson I have learned is you can't stop life..From the bottom of the Ocean to the highest places on Earth..You can't stop life here or anywhere else in the universe...Where life can bloom. it does...God's little garden...
/Every 5000 posts I speak about God...It's the law...
//How many burn in hell emails will I get?

28 Crimsonfisted  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 3:42:38pm

re: #18 Kragar (proud to be kafir)

When did Sasquatch get a space shuttle?

Check my #21. You can see he arrived on the Millennium Falcon.

29 AuntAcid  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 3:43:19pm

"Microscopic traces of glycine were discovered in a sample of particles retrieved from the tail of comet Wild 2 by the NASA spacecraft Stardust deep in the solar system some 242 million miles (390 million km) from Earth, in January 2004."

Woof! long way to go for a piece of tail.

30 jcm  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 3:43:20pm

re: #27 HoosierHoops

I see stuff like this and marvel.

It doesn't diminish my faith in the least bit. I marvel at the universe, yes at creation. I and wonder at what we've discovered, and what yet we will and can discover.

31 callahan23  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 3:43:21pm

re: #27 HoosierHoops

None from me that's for sure. How are ya kickin' ?

32 opnion  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 3:43:32pm

re: #27 HoosierHoops

Who planted the building blocks to DNA in the Comet? Somebody call the FBI!
There are more stars in the universe than in all the sand in all the beaches on Earth...The number is incredible...How could anyone possibly believe that there are building blocks of life in space? And for the religion people here..( and I love ya) Why would God just create life here? Because we are so special? Maybe the universe is God's little Garden...
I think the lesson I have learned is you can't stop life..From the bottom of the Ocean to the highest places on Earth..You can't stop life here or anywhere else in the universe...Where life can bloom. it does...God's little garden...
/Every 5000 posts I speak about God...It's the law...
//How many burn in hell emails will I get?


What was the comment in Jurassic Park, "Life finds a way"

33 avanti  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 3:43:58pm

Actually, as I recall, the chute failed to open on that mission because a sensor was installed upside down. Even through it crashed pretty hard, they did recover some data.

34 albusteve  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 3:44:08pm

re: #26 jcm

mmm, I'll bring the wine!

"you bring the guitar, I'll bring the wine...
we'll tripe my guacamole one more time...
it's a tripe faced boogie"

L George

35 Cato the Elder  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 3:44:20pm

The devil did this to confound believers.

36 Sharmuta  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 3:44:54pm

re: #35 Cato the Elder

Darwinist lies!

37 jdog29  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 3:45:04pm

I found some iron ore out in the back yard, I wonder if the twin towers would evolve out of it. //

38 Sharmuta  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 3:45:28pm

re: #37 jdog29

That's just stupid.

39 albusteve  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 3:45:53pm

COMET TECTONICS!

40 oh_dude  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 3:46:04pm

I know this is a really dumb question but, if science has all of the "ingredients" for creating life why can't they just create something? I don't pay much attention to this subject, but I would think that this could be simulated at least in theory.

Just curious...

41 A Man for all Seasons  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 3:46:10pm

re: #31 callahan23

None from me that's for sure. How are ya kickin' ?

What up stud! Hope you are well...Called that lady back? Email me all the nasty details!
LOL
/

42 jdog29  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 3:46:42pm

re: #38 Sharmuta

I know.

43 wrenchwench  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 3:48:47pm

re: #12 Slumbering Behemoth

Oh, yeah, aerogel is pretty awesome in it's own right.

How long until they make bicycles out of aerogel?! Just have to coat it with sumthin' to overcome that brittleness problem...

44 jcm  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 3:49:11pm

re: #35 Cato the Elder

The devil did this to confound believers.

Teach it!

45 Cato the Elder  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 3:49:14pm

Life in the city.

So I'm sitting in my car, with three cars ahead of me waiting to turn left, on a two-lane road I'm going straight. Guy behind me also has his left-turn blinker going. Light changes. Guy behind me immediately honks. I put on my flashers, get out of the car, shut the door, get Haku the service dog out of the back seat, shut the rear door, walk up to the guy, whose window's down, and ask, "Is there anything I can assist you with?" No. "That's good. I'm late for an appointment, but if I let that keep me that from offering help to a person in need, I couldn't live with myself." Huge smile. Guy doesn't know what to say.

Get back in car and go. Just in time for him to get caught by the light.

46 lawhawk  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 3:49:21pm

re: #9 callahan23

I'll go with the over under at 110.

I've had a couple of people on my blog claim that there's no evidence for cosmology either, and that science opposes creating order out of chaos, which is what is supposed by the creation of more complex organisms from lesser ones, even though it's scientific fact that proteins have been synthesized repeatedly from a primordial ooze, and that comets show signs of the same primordial ingredients shows that conditions for life here, may have begun out there - (BSG classic intro cue).

Having just finished reading Why Evolution is True, this just reinforces the point that scientists have a long way to go to understanding how life started, and how life evolved, but the basics to the theories of both are well established and continually reinforced with new information.

47 [deleted]  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 3:53:42pm
48 A Man for all Seasons  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 3:54:10pm

re: #30 jcm

I see stuff like this and marvel.

It doesn't diminish my faith in the least bit. I marvel at the universe, yes at creation. I and wonder at what we've discovered, and what yet we will and can discover.

I've always admire your Faith, Knowledge and Sanity about Religion...
I have issues with the Church..But it's got nothing to do with God...
I have a funny feeling that when the new Heaven comes down to Earth it's going to be a 50 mile wide Asteroid at 30000 MPH...
/

49 jcm  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 3:54:53pm

re: #47 buzzsawmonkey

Comets are open and unmoderated, and do not necessarily reflect the views of Little Green Footballs.

The Hale you say!

50 horse  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 3:55:08pm
...bolstering the theory that raw ingredients of life arrived on Earth from outer space

So, is this evidence heaven is somewhere out in the Oort cloud?
/

51 SFGoth  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 3:55:10pm

I wonder how most religions would have turned out if we knew then what we know now.

52 Sharmuta  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 3:56:02pm

re: #30 jcm

I see stuff like this and marvel.

It doesn't diminish my faith in the least bit. I marvel at the universe, yes at creation. I and wonder at what we've discovered, and what yet we will and can discover.

Science makes me appreciate God that much more.

53 [deleted]  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 3:56:34pm
54 reine.de.tout  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 3:57:14pm

re: #30 jcm

I see stuff like this and marvel.

It doesn't diminish my faith in the least bit. I marvel at the universe, yes at creation. I and wonder at what we've discovered, and what yet we will and can discover.

I'm with you on this!

55 Jim in virginia  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 3:57:17pm

This is sooo kewl!
Even better than globular clusters.

56 jcm  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 3:57:46pm

re: #48 HoosierHoops

I've always admire your Faith, Knowledge and Sanity about Religion...

Thank you.

I have issues with the Church..But it's got nothing to do with God...

Me too, really.

I have a funny feeling that when the new Heaven comes down to Earth it's going to be a 50 mile wide Asteroid at 30000 MPH...
/

LOL! God works in mysterious ways!

Gotta run, BBL.

57 reine.de.tout  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 3:58:33pm

re: #45 Cato the Elder

Life in the city.

So I'm sitting in my car, with three cars ahead of me waiting to turn left, on a two-lane road I'm going straight. Guy behind me also has his left-turn blinker going. Light changes. Guy behind me immediately honks. I put on my flashers, get out of the car, shut the door, get Haku the service dog out of the back seat, shut the rear door, walk up to the guy, whose window's down, and ask, "Is there anything I can assist you with?" No. "That's good. I'm late for an appointment, but if I let that keep me that from offering help to a person in need, I couldn't live with myself." Huge smile. Guy doesn't know what to say.

Get back in car and go. Just in time for him to get caught by the light.

This is great.
Of course that happens here too (probably everywhere), and this is the perfect thing to do.

58 Jim in virginia  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 3:58:58pm

re: #22 ArmyWife

I'll be back later. I must go make dinner for my family who claim to be starving. Venison burgers, fingerling potato salad and steamed broccoli is on today's menu.


I'll be right over. Family is out of town so I must fend for myself or make do on the charity of others.
It's tough to be a guy.
/

59 avanti  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 3:59:45pm

re: #40 oh_dude

I know this is a really dumb question but, if science has all of the "ingredients" for creating life why can't they just create something? I don't pay much attention to this subject, but I would think that this could be simulated at least in theory.

Just curious...

They are very close, but the earth had billions of years to do it, not a few decades in a lab.

lab life ?

60 Neutral President  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 3:59:54pm

re: #40 oh_dude

I know this is a really dumb question but, if science has all of the "ingredients" for creating life why can't they just create something? I don't pay much attention to this subject, but I would think that this could be simulated at least in theory.

Just curious...

Because it took about 250 to 500 million years of those ingredients laying around and undergoing changed or "cooking" for lack of a better term for DNA and single celled organisms to come out of it.

Scientists don't have a way to simulate this half a billion years in a test tube that easily.

61 A Man for all Seasons  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 4:00:33pm

re: #45 Cato the Elder

Life in the city.

So I'm sitting in my car, with three cars ahead of me waiting to turn left, on a two-lane road I'm going straight. Guy behind me also has his left-turn blinker going. Light changes. Guy behind me immediately honks. I put on my flashers, get out of the car, shut the door, get Haku the service dog out of the back seat, shut the rear door, walk up to the guy, whose window's down, and ask, "Is there anything I can assist you with?" No. "That's good. I'm late for an appointment, but if I let that keep me that from offering help to a person in need, I couldn't live with myself." Huge smile. Guy doesn't know what to say.

Get back in car and go. Just in time for him to get caught by the light.

LOL Cato you crack me up!
If you ever get out of your car behind me cause I missed the light I'd just knock you out...*wink*
/Seriously how long did you wait before you jumped out your car to check on the other driver? I've been behind old people that take forever to turn..
OMG! You could have gone 40 seconds ago! What are you waiting for?
LOL

62 Mich-again  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 4:00:57pm

This guy was onto something ..

Did Comets Contain Key Ingredients For Life On Earth? ScienceDaily (Apr. 29, 2009) link
...But the Earth recovered, and three to four hundred million years later, fragile forms of life emerged after the comet-delivered elements precipitated into the ocean. "There was another chemical development of these molecules in water, which became more and more complex," says Prof. Bar-Nun, leading to the origin of life on Earth.


He was just talking about the presence of the noble gases in the comet's payload. Now they've found glycine in a comet it makes his theory more plausible.

63 Sharmuta  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 4:01:18pm

re: #40 oh_dude

I know this is a really dumb question but, if science has all of the "ingredients" for creating life why can't they just create something? I don't pay much attention to this subject, but I would think that this could be simulated at least in theory.

Just curious...

They're working on it.

64 opnion  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 4:01:19pm

I recall an exercise in College Statistics. We were able to prove with certainty that life does exist on other planets. Not a statistical probability, a certainty. Well a least we thought so.

65 [deleted]  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 4:01:26pm
66 Noam Sayin'  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 4:01:34pm

OT, but I see there's another thread up.

You'll laugh before you close the window, I guarantee it.

67 albusteve  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 4:02:58pm

re: #57 reine.de.tout

This is great.
Of course that happens here too (probably everywhere), and this is the perfect thing to do.

right...get out and wander around at the expense of others so you can show of your mutt and pretend anybody that honks at you is Sarah Palin...everybody should do that

68 Cato the Elder  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 4:03:17pm

re: #61 HoosierHoops

Hey, Hoops. Normally I wouldn't even pay attention. It is the city, after all.

But this guy honked right after the light changed to green, before the first car in line (mine was fourth) even had a chance to move. So in my good nature I assumed he must be in some kind of distress.

69 opnion  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 4:04:16pm

re: #45 Cato the Elder

Life in the city.

So I'm sitting in my car, with three cars ahead of me waiting to turn left, on a two-lane road I'm going straight. Guy behind me also has his left-turn blinker going. Light changes. Guy behind me immediately honks. I put on my flashers, get out of the car, shut the door, get Haku the service dog out of the back seat, shut the rear door, walk up to the guy, whose window's down, and ask, "Is there anything I can assist you with?" No. "That's good. I'm late for an appointment, but if I let that keep me that from offering help to a person in need, I couldn't live with myself." Huge smile. Guy doesn't know what to say.

Get back in car and go. Just in time for him to get caught by the light.

That is beautiful. The next time you get a call looking for a cash donation for something, before they can pull the trigger ,ask for a loan

70 albusteve  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 4:04:22pm

re: #68 Cato the Elder

Hey, Hoops. Normally I wouldn't even pay attention. It is the city, after all.

But this guy honked right after the light changed to green, before the first car in line (mine was fourth) even had a chance to move. So in my good nature I assumed he must be in some kind of distress.

green cheese

71 A Man for all Seasons  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 4:05:01pm

re: #37 jdog29

I found some iron ore out in the back yard, I wonder if the twin towers would evolve out of it. //

How could you say something so stupid and insensitive to 3000 Americans who lost their lives and the families?
Twin tower jokes?
So far...I'm at a loss for words...Balls in your court now pal

72 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 4:05:37pm

re: #29 AuntAcid

"Microscopic traces of glycine were discovered in a sample of particles retrieved from the tail of comet Wild 2 by the NASA spacecraft Stardust deep in the solar system some 242 million miles (390 million km) from Earth, in January 2004."

Woof! long way to go for a piece of tail.

Yeah, but it was Wild at the rendezvous!

73 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 4:06:28pm

Charles, fascinating post. I didn't know NASA was doing this. Thanks!

74 Cato the Elder  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 4:07:03pm

re: #67 albusteve

right...get out and wander around at the expense of others so you can show of your mutt and pretend anybody that honks at you is Sarah Palin...everybody should do that

re: #69 opnion

That is beautiful. The next time you get a call looking for a cash donation for something, before they can pull the trigger ,ask for a loan

re: #70 albusteve

green cheese

Can I help either one of you in any way today?

75 albusteve  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 4:08:33pm

re: #74 Cato the Elder

Can I help either one of you in any way today?

can you mix martinis?

76 Lincolntf  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 4:11:44pm

The ingredients of Life are conveniently listed on the side of the box.

77 opnion  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 4:11:59pm

re: #74 Cato the Elder

Can I help either one of you in any way today?

Cato, I was serious, I have done it.

78 Cato the Elder  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 4:12:27pm

re: #75 albusteve

can you mix martinis?

Damn fine ones.

My dirty martini includes off-color Sarah Palin jokes.

79 opnion  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 4:13:13pm

re: #75 albusteve

can you mix martinis?

Vodka not Gin. Shaken not stirred, is that right Mr. Bond?

80 callahan23  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 4:13:20pm

re: #41 HoosierHoops

Done. ;-)

81 [deleted]  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 4:13:59pm
82 opnion  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 4:14:00pm

re: #78 Cato the Elder

Damn fine ones.

My dirty martini includes off-color Sarah Palin jokes.

But are they good martinis?

83 UFO TOFU  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 4:15:43pm

re: #82 opnion

Have you tried that Tangeray gin with Rangpur lime? Very nice!

84 Cato the Elder  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 4:16:18pm

re: #82 opnion

But are they good martinis?

The best. Though I myself prefer some taste, so I go for gin. And not just any cheap juniper booze, either. It's gotta be Bombay Sapphire.

85 UFO TOFU  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 4:18:15pm

re: #82 opnion

But are they good martinis?

Doesn't matter if they're good jokes.

86 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 4:19:21pm

re: #45 Cato the Elder

heh

87 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 4:20:30pm

re: #37 jdog29

humor epic fail.

88 amrafel  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 4:27:43pm

As exciting as this news is, saying that an amino acid is an ingredient of life is not much different from saying that a screw is an ingredient of a racecar engine. Anyway, the following writer I'm sure is very excited about the news:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chandra_Wickramasinghe

89 Odahi  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 4:33:32pm

The next argument is that, since the capsule containing the aerogel actually crashed on its return, the glycine came from contamination. However, the isotope ratios in the cometary glycine are entirely different from those in terrestrial glycine. It's almost certainly from the comet, and it's one of the most exciting finds in the search for life elsewhere in the universe. If amino acids can be found on tiny ice balls in this backwater arm of an insignificant, pedestrian galaxy, then it's much more likely that it's common. And if glycine is common...

90 Salamantis  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 5:50:45pm

re: #23 albusteve

we are golden

We are billion year old carbon

And we've got to get ourselves...umm...some offsets.

Before we get capped.

91 OldLineTexan  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 5:52:55pm

re: #90 Salamantis

We are billion year old carbon

And we've got to get ourselves...umm...some offsets.

Before we get capped.

Heh.

Duck and you won't get hit.

/

92 voirdire  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 5:59:22pm

Was this stuff found by Bruce Willis and Ben Affleck?

93 jpkoch  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 6:07:15pm

What bothers me about this theory is how do these molecular compounds survive entry into our atmosphere. These compounds would literally be incinerated once they made it into the lower stratosphere. If they entered at a very early point in the earth's evolution, there wouldn't be enough O2 for proteins to form. If there was/is enough O2, then the friction with this gas would create heat in excess of 2000 deg F.

94 Athens Runaway  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 6:08:09pm

Luminous beings are we, not this crude matter...

95 descolada9  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 6:17:59pm

re: #7 jcm

Just remember it's a turtle that carries the comets around the universe!

I thought the turtle carried the world on its back?

Still, is a very interesting story and also brings back the question of whether Mars might have once been able to sustain life before it lost its atmosphere. And it does help me hold out hope there is other life out there.

96 freetoken  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 6:24:21pm

re: #93 jpkoch

Well, I suppose a large enough comet would have material that could reach the ground before burning.

However, the bigger point is not that Earth was seeded for life from space but rather that the building blocks of life are ubiquitous throughout the galaxy. That is, life itself is another manifestation of the complexity that arises out of a handful of basic physical processes working on a very large set of material.

97 Dr. Shalit  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 6:27:44pm

OK Everyone -

TOTALLY "CUIL!" - AND - "Who"/"What" sent the Comet?

-S-

98 Athens Runaway  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 6:32:51pm

re: #97 Dr. Shalit

OK Everyone -
"Who"/"What" sent the Comet?

The Bugs. No war in Klendathu!

99 spankerfish  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 9:05:55pm

the Texas board of education put it there to throw the scientific community off. boogity boogity boogity.

100 HypnoToad  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 9:57:27pm

re: #33 avanti

Actually, as I recall, the chute failed to open on that mission
because a sensor was installed upside down. Even through it crashed
pretty hard, they did recover some data.


No, it was the Genesis solar wind collection mission that crashed. Stardust landed safely as intended.

101 Ian MacGregor  Wed, Aug 19, 2009 9:59:39pm

People might want to review the Drake Equation which has to do with the number of predicting the number of civilizations in the galaxy.

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

I don't how the finding of glyceine on a comet somehow disproves God or any creation story you might want to name. It means that a building block for some proteins occurs away from earth as evidenced by both meteorites and comets. Certainly a plus for extraterrestrial life, but hardly conclusive.

102 Cheese Eating Victory Monkey  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 2:42:09am

re: #5 Kragar (proud to be kafir)

Brought this up to a co-worker, about how it opens the door to all kinds of questions and shows the potential for life elsewhere and how it could have evolved here.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but since there are countless solar systems in the universe, then the chance that there isn't advanced life out there is very small indeed.

103 Leonidas Hoplite  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 4:39:35am

This is cool. Sorry I missed the thread.

104 scogind  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 5:48:40am

"If there is just one other planet in the entire universe and beyond that has human life there can be no doubt there is a God." According to Carl Sagan that is.

105 Kenneth  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 6:31:04am

re: #102 Cheese Eating Victory Monkey

I recall a Carl Sagan TV show in which he convened a panel of scientists to consider the probability of intelligent life elsewhere in the universe. Depending on the range of possible values for the various elements of the calculation, the probability of intelligent life on another planet is somewhere between 50:50 to 1 in a million.

106 Kenneth  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 6:32:46am

re: #1 Sharmuta

We are all made of stars. And comets.

Not all of us. Out hydrogen atoms were created shortly after the Bing Bang. All the other atoms in out bodies were created by fusion in stars.

107 Kenneth  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 6:37:13am

re: #40 oh_dude

I know this is a really dumb question but, if science has all of the "ingredients" for creating life why can't they just create something? I don't pay much attention to this subject, but I would think that this could be simulated at least in theory.

Just curious...

Science doesn't have all the ingredients or all the answers. Unlike Creationists, they don't pretend to either. What scientists do have are better questions, better methods of inquiry and better answers.

108 Kenneth  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 6:39:02am

re: #45 Cato the Elder

Life in the city.

LOL! Sometimes your snark really is good for something.

109 Kenneth  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 6:40:29am

re: #51 SFGoth

I wonder how most religions would have turned out if we knew then what we know now.

We would still have Scientology.

110 Charles Johnson  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 9:56:51am

re: #104 scogind

"If there is just one other planet in the entire universe and beyond that has human life there can be no doubt there is a God." According to Carl Sagan that is.

You put quotes around that sentence, but I've read a lot of Carl Sagan, and don't recall ever seeing that quote. Google has no results for it either.

And from what I have read by Sagan, this does not sound at all like something he would have written. Where did you get the quote?

Since you're a creationist, I suspect you either: 1) made it up, or 2) got it from a creationist website.

111 Annar  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 10:13:37am

re: #14 Kragar (proud to be kafir)

THATS A 242 MILLION MILE GAP!

/

Nothing could fill the gap between the two ears of a creationist.

112 thepinch  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 10:19:59am

Well, technically everything on Earth came from outer space. It's still neat that they were able to locate an exact source, though.

113 thepinch  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 10:23:34am

[quote]I know this is a really dumb question but, if science has all of the "ingredients" for creating life why can't they just create something? I don't pay much attention to this subject, but I would think that this could be simulated at least in theory.

Just curious...

[/quote]

Scientists know that nuclear fusion exists, as well as how it occurs. However, just because they haven't been able to do it themselves doesn't mean that it doesn't or couldn't exist.

114 blackdog  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 6:27:50pm

Unfortunately, a few molecules in a comet do not equate to life. The reason why is that life, as we know and understand it, needs heavy elements. They only come from the fusion reactions in stars. Since heavy elements exist on earth it can only mean that they did not come from our Sun. Thus, the Sun has to be a second generation star. The amino acid in question is made up of atoms of heavy elements that could only have been generated by a 1st generation star. Since the universe is approximately 14-16 billion years old, and the average star has a life cycle of about 5-6 billion years, the comet has to be something less than 5-6 billion years old. In other words, it is no older than our Sun. If that is the case, then amino acids falling from the heavens to earth as seeds of life explains nothing, but only pushes the question of life's origins back one more level.

One reason there is so much interest in comets is, I think, the problem science faces with trying to devise an evolutionary scheme that allows for the creation of life from nothing to what we see today in the relatively brief time of about 4.5 billion years, the approximate age of the earth. Evolutionary theory, I think, demands more time than the age of the earth. But the comet seeding the earth, in my view, does not help as the comet could only be approximately 5-6 billion years old. That too, from what I understand, is too short a time for life to develop.

115 Coracle  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 6:43:57pm

The comet almost certainly formed at the same time as the rest of the solar system, from the same materials, as part of our star's accretion disk. It's elementary composition should be similar to other comets in the system. Our star is acknowledged as a second or third generation star, and as such has the products of 8 or so billion years of fusion production from other stars and novae. I don't see that as a problem - It is possible that life was impossible for the first several billions of years, but even short-lived first generation stars could probably produce all the elements needed in their lifecycle. Most basic life processes on earth need anything heavier than Iron - but lighter elements would do.

So the building blocks have probably been around for 1.5 to 2 times the age of the solar system, but even if the Sun's generation is the first to host all the elements in sufficient abundance, I'm not sure why 4.5 billion years is not enough time, given trillions of possible stars, and the relatively slow pace of evolution for the majority of life's existence on earth. These are the questions of abiogenesis, however, which are not my expertise.


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