Scotland’s Shame

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This is an absolute disgrace, as Scotland frees a terrorist mass murderer on “compassionate grounds.”

Apparently, their compassion doesn’t extend to the surviving family members of this animal’s victims.

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The United States strongly condemned Thursday’s decision by Scottish authorities to free a terminally ill Libyan convicted of the 1988 Lockerbie plane bombing, saying there was no justification for his release.

The Scottish government said Abdel Basset al-Megrahi, a former Libyan intelligence agent who was serving a life sentence in a Scottish prison, was freed on compassionate grounds because he is dying of cancer. Megrahi was flying home to Libya.

“The interests of justice have not been served by this decision,” U.S. Attorney General Eric Holder, the top U.S. justice official, said in a statement.

“There is simply no justification for releasing this convicted terrorist whose actions took the lives of 270 individuals, including 189 Americans.”

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348 comments
1 Oh no...Sand People!  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 9:29:39am

*SPIT*

2 pat  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 9:29:55am

The British way.

3 Sharmuta  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 9:30:06am

He helped kill 270 people. Where was his compassion?

4 keithgabryelski  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 9:30:41am

I don't get why the method of death matters when you are in jail for life.

5 CommonCents  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 9:31:02am

189 Americans. Time for some rendition.

6 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 9:31:22am

270 people didn't get to leave Scotland before they died.

7 [deleted]  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 9:32:10am
8 Desert Dog  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 9:32:10am

There is no excuse for this...none.

9 lawhawk  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 9:32:25am

This unrepentant terrorist served what amounted to a sentence of 11 days per victim - 270 victims in all.

The Scottish judge feels that this terrorist should be released because of some misguided notion of compassion. What about justice? He was sentenced to life - and just because he's got terminal prostate cancer, we should send him packing back to Libya where he'll be honored for his deadly deed?

It's yet another reason why the justice system is not always appropriate for dealing with terrorists - you get situations such as this.

10 pat  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 9:33:06am

BTW, he is being flown home in a private jet to a hero's welcome by Libya, other sources state.

11 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 9:33:19am

Maybe they were tired of paying for his "healthcare".

Just sayin.

12 Oh no...Sand People!  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 9:33:20am

The second word leaks of the death of a fly as being attributed to this thug, Scotland, you are held responsible.

13 Sharmuta  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 9:33:30am

At the time of this attack, my cousin was attending Syracuse. It devastated the school, and my hearts are with the family and friends of the students lost, as well as all the families.

14 Rednek  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 9:33:33am

Maybe they just didn't want to waste taxpayer dollars (oops, pounds) on his health care? Maybe sending him home was a greater punishment?

15 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 9:33:36am

"Compassion for the guilty is cruelty to the innocent."
(paraphrased, can't remember who said it)

16 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 9:34:35am

re: #15 Cannadian Club Akbar

"Compassion for the guilty is cruelty to the innocent."
(paraphrased, can't remember who said it)

I think that sums up my thoughts right there. Misplaced compassion is worse than cold, unfeeling justice.

17 yma o hyd  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 9:34:53am

Re-posting the link to the excellent editorial in today's TIMES/London:

Whose Justice?

From that link:
'There seems to be something for everyone in the case of the Lockerbie bomber Abdul Baset Ali al-Megrahi. Only justice has not been served'
(My emphasis)

Worth reading in toto!

18 Desert Dog  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 9:34:59am

I hope this bastard dies a painful death...I hope that cancer eats him up really, really slow and he suffers every second of it.

19 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 9:35:00am

re: #15 Cannadian Club Akbar

"Compassion for the guilty is cruelty to the innocent."
(paraphrased, can't remember who said it)

Agreed. This guy should have been kept in a cell until the day he died. Hell, I don't even think he should have gotten pain meds. Scum like him deserves to suffer. He gave up his rights when he became a terrorist.

20 Sharmuta  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 9:35:01am

re: #15 Cannadian Club Akbar

"Mercy to the guilty is cruelty to the innocent" -Adam Smith

21 Kosh's Shadow  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 9:35:10am

If he were really being sent to the real prisons in Libya, the kind Khadaffi's enemies are in, with no medical care or painkillers, then this would be OK.
But he's going back as a hero.

He should have been released - at 15,000 feet, over Khadaffi's compound.

Or, if he really were going back in Khadaffi's private jet, he should have been given a cassette recorder very much like the kind the bomb was hidden in.
Very much like it.

22 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 9:35:23am

re: #9 lawhawk

infinite dings.

23 BlueCanuck  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 9:35:45am

[deleted]

And I stand by that.

24 yma o hyd  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 9:35:48am

re: #2 pat

The British Scottish way.

FTFY ...

25 jill e  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 9:35:54am

He has never regretted his crime of blowing up 270 innocent souls in 1988, nor voiced any remorse.

26 haakondahl  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 9:36:02am
“The interests of justice have not been served by this decision,” U.S. Attorney General Eric Holder, the top U.S. justice official, said in a statement.

Tough stuff, coming from this clown:


Reid was arrested in 2001 for attempting to blow up American Airlines Flight 63 from Paris to Miami with 197 passengers and crew on board. Why had Attorney General Eric Holder decided not to renew his security measures, kept in place since 2002?
27 sattv4u2  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 9:36:24am

I thought LIFE in jail meant you were there until you, I dunno ,,, DIED

If I were now in jail for LIFE I would asked to be released due to my advancing age I'll probably die sooner than later

COMPASSION!

28 reloadingisnotahobby  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 9:36:35am

Abdel " Oh ,the Scots are so compasionate they are flying me home all by myself...The whole plane to myself"
Soon after takeoff," Why are the pilot and copilot wearing
parachutes"??
"Oh shit"
Bastard will rot in hell!

29 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 9:36:39am

re: #20 Sharmuta

re: #15 Cannadian Club Akbar

"Mercy to the guilty is cruelty to the innocent" -Adam Smith

Thanks, Sharm.

30 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 9:36:41am

re: #18 Desert Dog

Sorry, I can't go that far. I understand the sentiment. I just wish he had been executed a long time ago.

31 Kosh's Shadow  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 9:37:00am

From the previous thread:
To the Scots judge who released this asshole:
STOP THINKING WITH YOUR DIPSTICK!
Use your brains, if you have any. And have compassion for the victims, not the terrorist.

32 ointmentfly  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 9:37:04am

Where is the gipper when ya need him. He'd be scrambling F-16's to intercept...

33 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 9:37:22am

re: #15 Cannadian Club Akbar

"Compassion for the guilty is cruelty to the innocent."
(paraphrased, can't remember who said it)

Midrash Shmuel

34 Fast Eddie  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 9:37:51am

Once again, the Western World has stood up and loudly proclaimed its weakness to all our enemies. Terrorists are dancing in the streets and laughing.

35 Oh no...Sand People!  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 9:37:57am

The jihadi's are laughing.

36 Ojoe  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 9:38:43am

In the British Isles, justice used to be more final.

Heads on pikes.

37 ROPMA  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 9:38:45am

Another way to get him out of prison

38 redshirt  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 9:38:59am

Mitch Rapp is gonna be pissed...

39 reloadingisnotahobby  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 9:39:27am

Odd...
A friend is being buried today!
41 years old ...She suffered greatly ,colon cancer!
And they fly this piece of shit home cause of compassion?
Fuc&^%!!

40 BlueCanuck  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 9:39:33am

He should have left his cell feet first.

/okay, that's all I am saying.

41 sattv4u2  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 9:40:23am

Someday in the future, there will be a blurb in the rags that he finally died from the cancer
However, I would rather read that he died from lead poisining!

42 Desert Dog  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 9:41:00am

re: #30 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Sorry, I can't go that far. I understand the sentiment. I just wish he had been executed a long time ago.

Ok, I wish we could concentrate the terror and pain this MF has caused and give it to him in one big dose to kill him off. He MURDERED 270 innocent people.

43 iLikeCandy  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 9:41:27am

I'm glad Eric Holder said the right thing.

44 yma o hyd  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 9:41:38am

re: #9 lawhawk

This unrepentant terrorist served what amounted to a sentence of 11 days per victim - 270 victims in all.

The Scottish judge feels that this terrorist should be released because of some misguided notion of compassion. What about justice? He was sentenced to life - and just because he's got terminal prostate cancer, we should send him packing back to Libya where he'll be honored for his deadly deed?

It's yet another reason why the justice system is not always appropriate for dealing with terrorists - you get situations such as this.

Wasn't a judge, lawhawk - it was the Scottish Minister for Justice - a member of the Scottis Nationalist Party, who governs Scotland right now.
This party seeks to separate Scotland from the rest of the UK - thats one other reason they did it: to show they can!

45 Oh no...Sand People!  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 9:41:50am

I can't wait for the drooling eulogy the N.Y. Times will publish for this living fecal matter after it expires. "..misunderstood...", "...freedom fighter..." blah blah blah...
/

46 haakondahl  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 9:42:04am

re: #34 Fast Eddie

Once again, the Western World has stood up and loudly proclaimed its weakness to all our enemies. Terrorists are dancing in the streets and laughing.

As here:

Yale University Press announced last week that it would go ahead with the publication of the book, but it would remove from it the 12 caricatures that originated the controversy. Not content with this, it is also removing other historic illustrations of the likeness of the Prophet, including one by Gustave Doré of the passage in Dante's Inferno that shows Mohammed being disemboweled in hell. (These same Dantean stanzas have also been depicted by William Blake, Sandro Botticelli, Salvador Dalí, and Auguste Rodin, so there's a lot of artistic censorship in our future if this sort of thing is allowed to set a precedent.)

47 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 9:42:05am

re: #38 redshirt

Mitch Rapp is gonna be pissed...

Obama would simply fire someone like Rapp, dismissing them and their views with a ave of the hand and an airy "I won".

/spits on CBBHO

48 Kosh's Shadow  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 9:42:15am

re: #42 Desert Dog

Ok, I wish we could concentrate the terror and pain this MF has caused and give it to him in one big dose to kill him off. He MURDERED 270 innocent people.

Push him out of a plane at 15,000 feet with a 14,000 foot bungee cord.
After 270 bounces, cut the cord.

49 albusteve  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 9:42:31am

nice guys finish last...the jihadis just copped another 100yr reprieve

50 Baier  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 9:42:44am

Here's an idea, release a convicted terrorist that murdered hundreds of people when he has nothing more to lose. What could go wrong?///

Aside from being morally repulsive.

51 jill e  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 9:43:00am

I'm quite certain the Scottish prison is capable of providing compassion to a dying man while still keeping him incarcerated.

52 calcajun  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 9:43:18am

Follow the money. Who approved his release and what are his/their ties to any middle-east groups/charities. This is not compassion--this is a payoff.

53 Czarny_Smok  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 9:43:25am

Here is a sterling example of touchy, feely socialism in action.

54 harrylook  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 9:43:37am

If Zero had any balls, he'd have told the Scots we would shoot down any plane carrying this piece of garbage out of Scotland.

55 solomonpanting  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 9:43:53am

re: #15 Cannadian Club Akbar

"Compassion for the guilty is cruelty to the innocent."
(paraphrased, can't remember who said it)

In der Old Testament, I believe.

56 Kosh's Shadow  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 9:43:55am

re: #51 jill e

I'm quite certain the Scottish prison is capable of providing compassion to a dying man while still keeping him incarcerated.

Not that he even deserved that.

57 [deleted]  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 9:44:27am
58 brent  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 9:44:33am

I'm sure this compassion will get Scotland, the rest of the civilized world, better treatment from the jihadists. A life sentence should be for life - how hard is that? Not 20 years, not 15 with good behavior. Maybe life with hard labor for this guy.

Sickening.

59 KenJen  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 9:44:40am

I wonder who's paying for his flight and security.

60 albusteve  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 9:44:58am

re: #54 harrylook

If Zero had any balls, he'd have told the Scots we would shoot down any plane carrying this piece of garbage out of Scotland.

that's a really bad idea

61 calcajun  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 9:45:16am

re: #54 harrylook

No-- we would have forced it to land in someplace we controlled and extradited him to stand trial here --unless all the murder charges were tried in Scotland.

62 reloadingisnotahobby  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 9:45:20am

re: #57 MikeySDCA

See my #28 ...got it covered!

63 BlueCanuck  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 9:45:24am

re: #59 KenJen

I wonder who's paying for his flight and security.

Qadaffy sent his personal jet I hear.

64 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 9:45:27am

re: #59 KenJen

I wonder who's paying for his flight and security.

I heard it was Kadaffi's plane.

65 harrylook  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 9:45:27am

re: #57 MikeySDCA

I hear it's a private jet that's going to take him. In any case, I would hope the threat would make people refuse to carry him...

66 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 9:45:28am

re: #42 Desert Dog

I'm rolling right with you on that.

67 gatorbait  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 9:45:52am

Although the convicted man carried out an act of murder, he was doing so on behalf of Qaddafi who has yet to have been called to justice. Furthermore, release of this murderer serves to illuminate a mind-set that values justice less than tolerance for evil.

68 calcajun  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 9:46:03am

re: #59 KenJen

He's flying back on Qadaffi's private plane. Bet he gets a hero's welcome.

69 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 9:46:15am

I think we should roll out the B-52's again. We really put the fear of God in Qadaffi back in the day; we can do it again.

70 [deleted]  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 9:46:42am
71 yma o hyd  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 9:47:12am

re: #52 calcajun

Follow the money. Who approved his release and what are his/their ties to any middle-east groups/charities. This is not compassion--this is a payoff.

Pay-off indeed!
Some of the British politicians rumoured to ahve been involved:
* Tony Blair
* Peter Mandelson, now SecState for Business and all sorts of things, the 'dark prince' of NuLab

Also remmeber that our PM, Gordon brown is Scottish - he certainly wouldn't want to confront the Scottish politicians who did this ...

72 J.S.  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 9:47:22am

re: #64 Cannadian Club Akbar

wiki claims it was an Afriqiyah Airways plane...link

73 Sharmuta  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 9:47:34am

For me, this is just another example of the warped mindset that thinks Evil is the victim of Good. Now an evil man walks free, and his victims are robbed of the justice they'd previously won. Disgusting.

74 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 9:48:04am

re: #73 Sharmuta

For me, this is just another example of the warped mindset that thinks Evil is the victim of Good. Now an evil man walks free, and his victims are robbed of the justice they'd previously won. Disgusting.

Quite concur.

75 [deleted]  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 9:48:08am
76 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 9:48:17am

re: #73 Sharmuta

For me, this is just another example of the warped mindset that thinks Evil is the victim of Good. Now an evil man walks free, and his victims are robbed of the justice they'd previously won. Disgusting.

One thousand updings.

77 Desert Dog  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 9:48:45am

re: #73 Sharmuta

For me, this is just another example of the warped mindset that thinks Evil is the victim of Good. Now an evil man walks free, and his victims are robbed of the justice they'd previously won. Disgusting.

misplaced compassion. It is a sign of weakness and it is just plain wrong.

78 jill e  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 9:48:59am

Libya has spent years lobbying for his release.

79 BlueCanuck  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 9:49:04am

re: #69 thedopefishlives

I think we should roll out the B-52's again. We really put the fear of God in Qadaffi back in the day; we can do it again.

I believe we used B-1's for the attack in 86. Been a few years, and the memory gets fuzzy. I remember hearing about it just after it happened. Was in a classroom at the local armouries with our captain informing us on timings for our air cadet trip to Washington D.C. Flight sargeant comes bursting through the door to make the announcement that the U.S. had just bombed Libya. Captain turns to us and says, "IF we go to Washington..."

80 Kragar  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 9:49:26am

This man should have been dead long ago. As it is, he deserves to rot to death in a cell. Setting him loose shits on the memory of his victims.

81 J.S.  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 9:49:36am

re: #75 MikeySDCA

I saw that on CNN too...(wearing the white jacket and white hat -- I also listened to a number of the relatives recounting what they're now going through...words escape me.)

82 Eretz  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 9:49:45am

There is something profoundly revealing about this action. Note that he didn't even pretend repentence. He shielded the Libyan government's responsibility for the attack, thus not fully cooperating with the investigation. And of course he had no compassion for his 270 victims. Note that Italy not long ago gave early releases to the terrorists responsible for hijacking the Achille Lauro and murdering a wheelchair-bound passenger. No, a misplaced mercy is such cases is definitely not a moral action, and it obviously is counterproductive in combatting terrorism

83 KenJen  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 9:49:46am

What happens if his cancer gets cured? How do we even know he has cancer?

84 yma o hyd  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 9:49:51am

re: #54 harrylook

If Zero had any balls, he'd have told the Scots we would shoot down any plane carrying this piece of garbage out of Scotland.

Instead - Hillary shouts down the telephone.

See this:
'The uncharacteristically undiplomatic language deployed by Mrs Clinton also smacked of saying the right thing at full volume in the knowledge that the decision had already been taken. The Secretary of State could not conceivably have said anything else. Of the 270 people killed on PanAm Flight 103 twenty years ago, 189 were American. There is no questioning the guilt of al-Megrahi in America. But surely a serious attempt at diplomatic persuasion would have gone through private channels? If any such process were in train, these proclamations would surely scupper it. The Americans are saying the right thing but is this the best way of actually getting it?'
(My emphasis)

[Link: www.timesonline.co.uk...]

85 bj1126  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 9:50:14am

re: #38 redshirt

Mitch Rapp is gonna be pissed...

HAHA that was my first thought. Vince Flynn is going to have a field day with this one.

86 jill e  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 9:50:24am

re: #56 Kosh's Shadow

Not that he even deserved that.

At the very least, compassion should be preceded by remorse.

87 Mr. E. Train  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 9:50:36am

"This is not the UK/Scottland I knew"

The old country has thrown itself under the bus. What a shame. I never got to see it before it morphed into the pitiful mess it is now.

88 [deleted]  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 9:50:53am
89 harrylook  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 9:51:07am

If we cant shoot down his plane, can't we put a bullet in him? That is truly what he deserves. [spit]

90 NukeAtomrod  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 9:51:36am
Scotland's Shame

Donovan?

91 jorline  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 9:51:39am

re: #26 haakondahl

According to court documents filed in a 2007 civil lawsuit against the government, Reid claimed that SAMs violated his First Amendment right of free speech and free exercise of religion. In a hand-written complaint, he asserted that he was being illegally prevented from performing daily “group prayers in a manner prescribed by my religion.” Yet the list of Reid’s potential fellow congregants at ADX Florence Flounce reads like a Who’s Who of al Qaeda’s most dangerous members: Ramzi Yousef and his three co-conspirators in the 1993 World Trade Center bombing; 9/11 conspirator Zacarias Moussaoui; “Millennium bomber” Ahmed Ressam; “Dirty bomber” Jose Padilla; Wadih el-Hage, Osama Bin Laden’s personal secretary, convicted in the 1998 U.S. Embassy bombing that killed 247 people.

From the same article.

92 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 9:51:44am

re: #79 BlueCanuck

Eh, either way, both planes are perfectly capable of dropping the hammer and he knows better than to challenge our firepower. The only problem is, the sitting Administration would never go for it the way Reagan did/would.

93 alanohwhat  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 9:51:46am

Here is the guilty minister who freed the swine:

[Link: www.kennymacaskill.co.uk...]

And here is the compelete bastard who told him to do it:

[Link: news.bbc.co.uk...]

94 albusteve  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 9:52:15am

re: #79 BlueCanuck

I believe we used B-1's for the attack in 86. Been a few years, and the memory gets fuzzy. I remember hearing about it just after it happened. Was in a classroom at the local armouries with our captain informing us on timings for our air cadet trip to Washington D.C. Flight sargeant comes bursting through the door to make the announcement that the U.S. had just bombed Libya. Captain turns to us and says, "IF we go to Washington..."

F-111s

95 DaddyG  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 9:52:21am

re: #46 haakondahl

re: #34 Fast Eddie


As here:

Yale University Press announced last week that it would go ahead with the publication of the book, but it would remove from it the 12 caricatures that originated the controversy. Not content with this, it is also removing other historic illustrations of the likeness of the Prophet, including one by Gustave Doré of the passage in Dante's Inferno that shows Mohammed being disemboweled in hell. (These same Dantean stanzas have also been depicted by William Blake, Sandro Botticelli, Salvador Dalí, and Auguste Rodin, so there's a lot of artistic censorship in our future if this sort of thing is allowed to set a precedent.)

The Mutilated Shade of Mahomet


...How mutilated, see, is Mahomet;
In front of me doth Ali weeping go,
Cleft in the face from forelock unto chin;

And all the others whom thou here beholdest,
Disseminators of scandal and of schism
While living were, and therefore are cleft thus...

- Dante's Inferno, Canto 28

96 Kragar  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 9:52:42am

How long before the Arab media claims his cancer was caused by the evil Zionists/Crusaders?

97 Rancher  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 9:53:05am

Lots of oil contracts opening up now that Libya is no longer an international pariah.

98 Son of the Black Dog  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 9:53:19am

re: #79 BlueCanuck

I believe we used B-1's for the attack in 86. Been a few years, and the memory gets fuzzy. I remember hearing about it just after it happened. Was in a classroom at the local armouries with our captain informing us on timings for our air cadet trip to Washington D.C. Flight sargeant comes bursting through the door to make the announcement that the U.S. had just bombed Libya. Captain turns to us and says, "IF we go to Washington..."

USAF F/B-111's for the main strike, plus a few Navy.

99 Sharmuta  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 9:53:33am

All who are made to be compassionate in the place of the cruel
In the end are made to be cruel in the place of the compassionate

-Adam Smith

100 [deleted]  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 9:53:39am
101 BlueCanuck  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 9:53:44am

re: #94 albusteve

re: #79 BlueCanuck


F-111s

Ah, right the Ravens. Seem to get those two mixed up in my head for some reason.

102 yma o hyd  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 9:53:58am

re: #93 alanohwhat

Here is the guilty minister who freed the swine:

[Link: www.kennymacaskill.co.uk...]

And here is the compelete bastard who told him to do it:

[Link: news.bbc.co.uk...]

'Complete swine' - yep, that describes Mandelson to a T!
That evil b*stard got Tony Blair and NuLab in, in 1997 - we're still suffering from that.
He's now a Lord, rich, and has his fingers in any pie in the UK you care to name.

103 Mad Mullah  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 9:54:07am

Scotland's justice secretary said freeing the bomber was an expression of the Scottish people's humanity

I'd say that it's more of an expression of their extreme stupidity in this case. Compassion my ass.

Supposedly, he has 3 months to live. Hopefully their diagnosis is wrong, and if we're lucky he drops dead within the next 3 hours.

104 FrogMarch  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 9:54:12am

showing compassion to someone who blew apart hundreds of innocents people?

How is that compassionate?

105 jill e  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 9:54:29am

"He who does not punish evil, commands it to be done." —Leonardo da Vinci

106 SixDegrees  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 9:55:03am

re: #4 keithgabryelski

I don't get why the method of death matters when you are in jail for life.

He's due to die from prostate cancer in a few months. He should have stayed in jail until his scrotum exploded.

107 albusteve  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 9:55:18am

re: #104 FrogMarch

showing compassion to someone who blew apart hundreds of innocents people?

How is that compassionate?

inverse reality...I'm just plain sick of it...it's everywhere

108 jill e  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 9:55:30am

re: #103 Mad Mullah

Scotland's justice secretary said freeing the bomber was an expression of the Scottish people's humanity

I'd say that it's more of an expression of their extreme stupidity in this case. Compassion my ass.

Supposedly, he has 3 months to live. Hopefully their diagnosis is wrong, and if we're lucky he drops dead within the next 3 hours.

Misplaced compassion. As Charles said, focus your compassion on the families who lost loved ones.

109 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 9:56:11am

re: #97 Rancher

Lots of oil contracts opening up now that Libya is no longer an international pariah.

Really?

110 Son of the Black Dog  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 9:56:27am

re: #83 KenJen

What happens if his cancer gets cured? How do we even know he has cancer?

I'm expecting this POS to have a miraculous recovery.

111 ladycatnip  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 9:56:37am

#27 sattv4u2

I thought LIFE in jail meant you were there until you, I dunno ,,, DIED

I attended the School of Law & Order, and my understanding is that parole is possible with a life sentence, but not a life sentence w/o the possibility of parole.

*calling all lawyers* do I get an A on this test?

112 kynna  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 9:56:40am

Is this their regular practice? Do they free all convicts who have terminal cancer, or did this guy get a special bonus?

I also don't see what is served except Scotland not having to pay for his health care. Maybe that's the bottom line.

Not excusing it, just trying to figure it out.

113 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 9:56:44am

re: #91 jorline

According to court documents filed in a 2007 civil lawsuit against the government, Reid claimed that SAMs violated his First Amendment right of free speech and free exercise of religion. In a hand-written complaint, he asserted that he was being illegally prevented from performing daily “group prayers in a manner prescribed by my religion.” Yet the list of Reid’s potential fellow congregants at ADX Florence Flounce reads like a Who’s Who of al Qaeda’s most dangerous members: Ramzi Yousef and his three co-conspirators in the 1993 World Trade Center bombing; 9/11 conspirator Zacarias Moussaoui; “Millennium bomber” Ahmed Ressam; “Dirty bomber” Jose Padilla; Wadih el-Hage, Osama Bin Laden’s personal secretary, convicted in the 1998 U.S. Embassy bombing that killed 247 people.

From the same article.

The lawyers who file these lawsuits either do not understand or do not care that the people they represent will use any elbow room they get to attack staff and commit acts of violence. My own guess is that they do not care. I believe that the lawyers are Alinskyites who are attempting to wreck the system by "forcing it to live up to its own rules".

114 FrogMarch  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 9:57:08am

re: #107 albusteve

inverse reality...I'm just plain sick of it...it's everywhere

It's sick. and I feel sick for these victims and their families.

115 laZardo  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 9:57:20am

If I ever needed convincing that the concept of justice actually exists in this world, this ain't it.

Good evening.

116 Johnnyreb  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 9:57:25am

Actually if you think about it, he is going to be in a worse position from his cancer than he would be in the Scottish prison. I am pretty sure he is not going to get decent treatment in Libya for his problem. Prostate cancer is a pretty horrible death without massive amounts of pain killers.

117 Sharmuta  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 9:57:54am

Re-victimizing these family members is not compassion.

118 yma o hyd  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 9:57:58am

What may not be known on your side of the Atlantic:
* Megrahi had an appeal against his judgement pending;

* quite a few of the bereaved families on both sides thought this appeal was important because they were not convinced of his guilt;

* on his behalf his lawyers withdrew the appeal so his release could go forward.

Justice has certainly not been served here!

119 Gus  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 9:58:22am

Not only was he released but he was almost treated like a dignitary as he boarded the plane back home.

This is outrageous. In the end he only served less than 8 years for his part in the murder of 270 people.

120 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 9:58:45am

re: #118 yma o hyd

Thanks.

121 NukeAtomrod  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 9:58:54am

Not only should Abdel Basset al-Megrahi not have been freed from prison, they should have made him listen to "Mellow Yellow" 24/7 for the rest of his miserable life.

To do any less is an unacceptable injustice.

122 experiencedtraveller  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 9:58:59am

I am sure this had nothing to do with Scottish interest in Libyan natural gas.

123 J.S.  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 9:59:14am

All who are made to be compassionate in the place of the cruel
In the end are made to be cruel in the place of the compassionate

Qohelet Raba, 7:16

124 ladycatnip  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 9:59:17am

#116 Johnnyreb

Actually if you think about it, he is going to be in a worse position from his cancer than he would be in the Scottish prison. I am pretty sure he is not going to get decent treatment in Libya for his problem. Prostate cancer is a pretty horrible death without massive amounts of pain killers.

If they're giving him a hero's welcome and flying him on a private jet, I doubt he'll be worse off in Libya.

125 Kragar  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 9:59:18am

And here is why this sack of shit gets set free.

Libya, UK Trade To Get Boost

While the decision to release Lockerbie bomber Abdelbasset Ali al-Megrahi may have divided public opinion, the move will certainly clear the way for more trade between Britain and Africa’s biggest potential oil producer.

As such, the thawing of decades of diplomatic tensions is likely to be welcomed by chiefs of industry, particularly in the natural resources sector which is home to some of the UK’s biggest firms.

British trade with Libya reopened in 1999 following the restoration of diplomatic relations and the lifting of UN and EU sanctions.

UK exports to Libya rose 21% last year to total £280m.

Around 95% of Libya’s own exports abroad are generated in its fast-growing oil and gas sector whose 42b barrels of proven reserves could help the nation to become the world’s No.9 producer.

126 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 9:59:19am

re: #98 Son of the Black Dog

USAF F/B-111's for the main strike, plus a few Navy.

If I remember correctly they were based in the UK and had to fly around France who wouldn't let us fly over their country for the mission which caused them to fly additional hours to get to their targets.

127 reloadingisnotahobby  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 9:59:27am

Scotland just pissed down Americas leg!!
Majority of the victims were AMERICANS...
They sould have asked if we wanted a piece of this MURDERER!

128 laZardo  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 9:59:30am

re: #116 Johnnyreb

Actually if you think about it, he is going to be in a worse position from his cancer than he would be in the Scottish prison. I am pretty sure he is not going to get decent treatment in Libya for his problem. Prostate cancer is a pretty horrible death without massive amounts of pain killers.

Heroes of the State get special treatment.

/as it were.

129 Shiplord Kirel  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 9:59:58am

re: #103 Mad Mullah

Scotland's justice secretary said freeing the bomber was an expression of the Scottish people's humanity

I'd say that it's more of an expression of their extreme stupidity in this case. Compassion my ass.

Supposedly, he has 3 months to live. Hopefully their diagnosis is wrong, and if we're lucky he drops dead within the next 3 hours.

Agreed. I think this is designed not to show compassion, but to assert the almost demonic contempt the British chatterati hold for Americans, an area in which the Scots Nationalists are in full solidarity with their overlords in the English leftist media, eg Al Guardian. Back in 2001, the latter's notion of compassion was to leave the 9-11 dead unidentified so the money that would be spent on DNA testing etc. could instead be donated to worthy third world causes as compensation for American crimes.

130 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 9:59:58am

re: #119 Gus 802

Not only was he released but he was almost treated like a dignitary as he boarded the plane back home.

I wonder how happy Nike is this morning.

131 SasquatchOnSteroids  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 10:00:11am

A mockery of justice.
F***ing unreal.

132 Ward Cleaver  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 10:00:26am

Where's the compassion for this monster's 270 victims?!?

That judge is a stupid git.

133 Kragar  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 10:00:28am

re: #119 Gus 802

Not only was he released but he was almost treated like a dignitary as he boarded the plane back home.

This is outrageous. In the end he only served less than 8 years for his part in the murder of 270 people.

Planes break up in flight all the time.

134 laZardo  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 10:00:35am

re: #131 SasquatchOnSteroids

That's why I don't believe there is such a thing as justice.

135 Kosh's Shadow  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 10:00:48am

re: #126 NJDhockeyfan

If I remember correctly they were based in the UK and had to fly around France who wouldn't let us fly over their country for the mission which caused them to fly additional hours to get to their targets.

Yes.
If it were now, the UK would be upset and Sarkozy would allow it.

136 Gus  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 10:00:54am

re: #130 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I wonder how happy Nike is this morning.

Yeah, I noticed that too. I wonder if they gave him a complete new wardrobe along with this "package deal" and the Nike running outfit.

Sheesh.

137 Gus  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 10:01:41am

re: #133 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Planes break up in flight all the time.

If not I wonder if someone could contact some freelance Mossad. ;)

138 yma o hyd  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 10:01:42am

re: #112 kynna


It is not general practice, but one case certainly happened a few weeks ago:

Ronnie Biggs, one of the 'Great Train Robbery' villains, was released from prison because he was 'near death' - on the say-so of the British Minister for Justice, Jack Straw.

He ain't dead yet ...

139 Land Shark  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 10:01:43am

Madness. They show compassion to a terrorist who showed no compassion to 270 innocent men, women and children. What's worst is those PC, multiculturalist dingbats in Scotland are probably quite proud of their show of compassion to this terrorist scumbag. The world is upside down.

140 KenJen  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 10:02:04am

re: #119 Gus 802

Not only was he released but he was almost treated like a dignitary as he boarded the plane back home.

This is outrageous. In the end he only served less than 8 years for his part in the murder of 270 people.

What up with the Nike hat?

141 Dreader1962  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 10:02:04am

It's very possible that this man is not capable of doing any mayhem himself, but so what?

What is lost to the Scottish authorities (and many other people around the world) is that doing this may embolden some 'healthier' person to commit an act of terror. This is impossible to quantify, but only a bit of thought makes it a clear reason to keep him imprisoned and let him die in an 'infidel' prison.

People don't seem capable of abstract thought anymore - this is 'compassion' run on rails, systematized and misguided. Governments cannot be 'compassionate' - it's a quality that adheres to individuals.

142 BlueCanuck  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 10:02:26am

re: #134 laZardo

re: #131 SasquatchOnSteroids

That's why I don't believe there is such a thing as justice.

Justice belongs to the strong...

John Ford: "The Final Reflection"

143 reloadingisnotahobby  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 10:02:36am

re: #138 yma o hyd

re: #112 kynna


It is not general practice, but one case certainly happened a few weeks ago:

Ronnie Biggs, one of the 'Great Train Robbery' villains, was released from prison because he was 'near death' - on the say-so of the British Minister for Justice, Jack Straw.

He ain't dead yet ...

Did he kill anyone??

144 Gus  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 10:02:44am

re: #140 KenJen

What up with the Nike hat?

Perhaps a symbol for running away from justice?

145 Ward Cleaver  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 10:02:48am

If Reagan were still in office, this asshole's plane would be forced down somewhere, he'd be yanked off the plane, and he'd end up serving the rest of his days in Florence, Colorado.

146 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 10:02:57am

re: #136 Gus 802

I wonder if they gave him a complete new wardrobe along with this "package deal" and the Nike running outfit..

I'm just guessing that Nike had nothing to do with it. They've probably shit their collective pants today.

147 yma o hyd  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 10:02:59am

re: #122 experiencedtraveller

I am sure this had nothing to do with Scottish interest in Libyan natural gas.

Course not - whatever gave you that idea!

///

148 DaddyG  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 10:03:14am

re: #126 NJDhockeyfan

re: #98 Son of the Black Dog


If I remember correctly they were based in the UK and had to fly around France who wouldn't let us fly over their country for the mission which caused them to fly additional hours to get to their targets.

Yup, and they accidentally took the front off of the French embassy. Perhaps if they had the extra rest they lost due to the additional flight time... heh.

149 LoquaciousLady  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 10:03:22am

Seems to me British law has a bit of "if you are useful to the king..." then you are a special case working inside it.

150 Dianna  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 10:03:34am

Is Nuke Atomrod around? I left a reply to him on the last thread.

BBL.

151 Gus  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 10:03:38am

re: #146 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I'm just guessing that Nike had nothing to do with it. They've probably shit their collective pants today.

I know. It's either from his family or "the authorities."

152 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 10:03:59am

At the time I was living in Ct and worked at a restaurant. A co-worker had a college roommate on that flight. He told me how sad it was when the parents came over to get his roommate's belongings.

153 laZardo  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 10:04:15am

re: #142 BlueCanuck

Justice belongs to the strong...

John Ford: "The Final Reflection"

Well, al-Megrahi was strong enough to survive until his release, wasn't he.

154 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 10:04:31am

I've got to get to work. See you all tonight.

155 yma o hyd  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 10:04:35am

re: #125 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

And thats why our esteemed p.o.s., Peter Mandelson, Sec of State for business (and all other sorts of things ...), has had his fingers in this particularly nasty pie!

156 Ward Cleaver  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 10:04:48am

The sad thing is that 0bama probably won't do shit.

157 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 10:04:54am

re: #151 Gus 802

I know. It's either from his family or "the authorities."

Someone in the "authorities" has stock in Reebok.

158 Son of the Black Dog  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 10:05:11am

re: #116 Johnnyreb

Actually if you think about it, he is going to be in a worse position from his cancer than he would be in the Scottish prison. I am pretty sure he is not going to get decent treatment in Libya for his problem. Prostate cancer is a pretty horrible death without massive amounts of pain killers.

Maybe he'll get Bulgarian nurses.

/

159 Sharmuta  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 10:05:31am

re: #134 laZardo

That's why I don't believe there is such a thing as justice.

There is such a thing as Justice- but there are different visions people have as to what "justice" means. I believe I've already recommended A Conflict of Visions to you. The vision of justice you're seeing here believes "every case is a rule to itself". Obviously- most of us here disagree with this notion. Just because some people have this idea of justice doesn't mean justice doesn't exist.

160 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 10:05:41am

re: #156 Ward Cleaver

The sad thing is that 0bama probably won't do shit.

Has he said he is 'deeply concerned' yet?

161 Gang of One  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 10:05:55am

Have not read all the posts, jumping right in.
This is liberal, secular humanism run amok, IMNSHO.

162 yma o hyd  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 10:06:12am

re: #127 reloadingisnotahobby

Scotland just pissed down Americas leg!!
Majority of the victims were AMERICANS...
They sould have asked if we wanted a piece of this MURDERER!

The Scottish minsiter of Jsutice also pissed down the legs of his own citizens of Lockerbie, whose little town was a scene from hell after the plane came down, and who lost many of their families as well.

163 Kreuzueber Halbmond  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 10:06:24am

A rope around his neck would rid him of his cancer and show justice and compassion to the families of the victims at the same time. Now we are more likely to see a repeat of this disaster in the future. Stupid Scottish nubs.

164 blangwort  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 10:06:46am

I have an idea: Handcuff this jerk to his seat, put him on an old airplane. Put a bomb on it, and set the autopilot to fly him out over the ocean. Make sure there are pork products on the airplane in sight of him.

If he can't die alone in jail, maybe he can die like his victims.

165 latingent  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 10:07:00am

This is our new `compassionate` world? I dont want any part of it. If I think about the bombing I can still hear those people screaming all the way to the ground.

166 Kragar  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 10:07:20am

re: #160 NJDhockeyfan

re: #156 Ward Cleaver


Has he said he is 'deeply concerned' yet?

Barack Obama: Lockerbie bomber should die in Scottish jail

Just words. We'll still do business, but got to toss the plebs a bone.

167 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 10:07:25am

re: #162 yma o hyd

The Scottish minsiter of Jsutice also pissed down the legs of his own citizens of Lockerbie, whose little town was a scene from hell after the plane came down, and who lost many of their families as well.

Eleven killed on the ground I believe.

168 Coracle  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 10:07:36am

re: #156 Ward Cleaver

The sad thing is that 0bama probably won't do shit.

What would you have had him do? WWRD?

169 Son of the Black Dog  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 10:07:52am

re: #126 NJDhockeyfan

If I remember correctly they were based in the UK and had to fly around France who wouldn't let us fly over their country for the mission which caused them to fly additional hours to get to their targets.

Both ways.
And at the end of the mission the aircrews had to be lifted out of their cockpits.

170 saylorfam  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 10:08:07am

I remember seeing my friends Larry's face upon hearing the news that his older brother had been killed on his flight home from Europe. This animal has caused so much anguish to so many of the family and friends of those he is responsible for killing. I hope he has a long painful lingering death. My compassion is for the living and those who lost loved ones.

171 yma o hyd  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 10:08:09am

re: #143 reloadingisnotahobby

Did he kill anyone??

No.
They only stole what amounts to $67 million, and beat up the train driver ...

172 laZardo  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 10:08:26am

re: #159 Sharmuta

There is such a thing as Justice- but there are different visions people have as to what "justice" means. I believe I've already recommended A Conflict of Visions to you. The vision of justice you're seeing here believes "every case is a rule to itself". Obviously- most of us here disagree with this notion. Just because some people have this idea of justice doesn't mean justice doesn't exist.

You have, but I don't currently have a credit card to purchase it off Amazon at the moment.

My general rule is "justice" is more of a non-substance commodity, traded by those with influence regardless of ideology.

173 SixDegrees  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 10:08:43am

re: #156 Ward Cleaver

The sad thing is that 0bama probably won't do shit.

Nothing he can do. Holder issued a condemnatory statement today, but there's not anything more that can reasonably be done.

174 JerusalemAsher  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 10:09:29am

It looks like Scotland is trying to beat England in the race to join Eurabia.

175 yma o hyd  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 10:09:31am

re: #149 LoquaciousLady

Seems to me British law has a bit of "if you are useful to the king..." then you are a special case working inside it.

Isn't British Law - the Scots ahve a different system - always had, even before devolution.

Its Scottish law, and the person who released him wasn't a judge - it was the Scottish Minister of Justice.

176 Gang of One  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 10:09:36am

re: #172 laZardo

You have, but I don't currently have a credit card to purchase it off Amazon at the moment.

My general rule is "justice" is more of a non-substance commodity, traded by those with influence regardless of ideology.

Don't confuse expediency with justice.

177 reloadingisnotahobby  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 10:09:52am

re: #171 yma o hyd

If ya gotta give 'em anything...
They went for the BIG score!

178 Ward Cleaver  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 10:10:19am

re: #168 Coracle

What would you have had him do? WWRD?

Force his plane down, apprehend him, and ship him off to ADX Florence. Fuck this release.

179 Coracle  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 10:11:53am

re: #178 Ward Cleaver

Force his plane down, apprehend him, and ship him off to ADX Florence. Fuck this release.

Do you honestly think any US president of the last 30 years would have been able to do that and get away with it?

180 Ward Cleaver  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 10:11:58am

re: #174 JerusalemAsher

It looks like Scotland is trying to beat England in the race to join Eurabia.

Plus it's another way to kick America in the shins.

181 Kosh's Shadow  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 10:12:04am

re: #164 blangwort

I have an idea: Handcuff this jerk to his seat, put him on an old airplane. Put a bomb on it, and set the autopilot to fly him out over the ocean. Make sure there are pork products on the airplane in sight of him.

If he can't die alone in jail, maybe he can die like his victims.

I see something like the Twilight Zone.
As he's relaxing on his flight back, he opens the briefcase he carried on, to find a tape recorder just like the one he hid the bomb in. And realizes this one, also has a bomb.
Then as he looks around, all the "passengers" on the plane are really the shades of his victims, as they watch justice get done.

183 Kosh's Shadow  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 10:12:34am

re: #175 yma o hyd

Isn't British Law - the Scots ahve a different system - always had, even before devolution.

Its Scottish law, and the person who released him wasn't a judge - it was the Scottish Minister of INJustice.


FTFY

184 Ward Cleaver  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 10:12:37am

re: #179 Coracle

Do you honestly think any US president of the last 30 years would have been able to do that and get away with it?

Reagan would. He stopped the Achille Lauro hijackers.

185 Mad Mullah  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 10:12:39am

Reading some news articles about this, it seems that American families who had victims on the flight are absolutely outraged and they are obviously opposed to the release of the mass murdering terrorist scum, but that quite a few British families welcomed his release. Is there something wrong with the drinking water in Britain?

186 MikeAlv77  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 10:12:46am

re: #101 BlueCanuck

re: #94 albusteve


re: #79 BlueCanuck


F-111s


Ah, right the Ravens. Seem to get those two mixed up in my head for some reason.

Not the Raven. The Aardvark or Vark. The Raven was the EF-111, electronic warfare version. Also known as the Spark Vark.

187 laZardo  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 10:13:08am

re: #176 Gang of One

It doesn't have to be a quick trade, sometimes it's quite protracted. Like our former president Estrada being pardoned after being convicted for plunder. Or O.J. Simpson getting off the first time.

Or maybe, just maybe, Bernie Madoff being the "fall guy" for the other big players in his mega-billions Ponzi scheme.

188 yma o hyd  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 10:13:14am

re: #166 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Barack Obama: Lockerbie bomber should die in Scottish jail

Just words. We'll still do business, but got to toss the plebs a bone.

If PB0 had been really serious about this, he could have twisted some arms behind the scenes, where all these 'negotiations' were taking place.
This wasn't sprung on an unsuspecting world - this has been talked about and written about for a good week now.

If he'd really been surprised about the release of Megrahi - then you have to wonder what all his security advisors, Hillary, the CIA and so forth have been up to, not knowing about this.

189 Silvergirl  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 10:13:24am

Even the poll on CNN right now is running

8% Yes
92% NO

for the question

Do you agree with the decision to release Lockerbie bomber Abdelbeset Ali Mohmed al Megrahi?

On CNN, whose readers are often, "Yawn, whatever."

190 Ward Cleaver  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 10:13:48am

re: #182 jill e

The world is missing something. 35 Syracuse University students died.

A woman I worked with at the time lost a cousin, a guy who worked for a NY brokerage firm's London office. He was coming home to Long Island for Christmas.

191 J.S.  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 10:14:23am

re: #181 Kosh's Shadow

this morning on CNN, Susan Cohen noted that most of the victims on the plane were young people (with their lives ahead of them) -- her daughter had a beautiful soprano voice and she was full of life. the average age of the victims on the plane was 27.

192 yma o hyd  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 10:14:36am

re: #167 NJDhockeyfan

Eleven killed on the ground I believe.

The little town looked like a scene from hell - I well remember the TV reports.
There were fires, there was a huge hole in the ground where some houses had stood - it was stomach-turning.

193 freedombilly  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 10:15:02am

First I agree with Barney Frank. Now Eric Holder?

I think I need a drink.

194 Ward Cleaver  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 10:15:08am

re: #185 Mad Mullah

Reading some news articles about this, it seems that American families who had victims on the flight are absolutely outraged and they are obviously opposed to the release of the mass murdering terrorist scum, but that quite a few British families welcomed his release. Is there something wrong with the drinking water in Britain?

I doubt that the residents of Lockerbie are happy about this.

195 Kreuzueber Halbmond  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 10:15:24am

Prostate Be Upon Him.

196 lawhawk  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 10:15:49am

re: #185 Mad Mullah

Reading some news articles about this, it seems that American families who had victims on the flight are absolutely outraged and they are obviously opposed to the release of the mass murdering terrorist scum, but that quite a few British families welcomed his release. Is there something wrong with the drinking water in Britain?

Yes, there are a few who think that this terrorist was innocent of the charges against him.

197 Gang of One  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 10:16:08am

re: #100 MikeySDCA

How long before the Arab media claim his release imprisonment was an admission of his innocence zionist conspiracy?

FTFY

198 Gus  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 10:16:23am

re: #161 Gang of One

Have not read all the posts, jumping right in.
This is liberal, secular humanism run amok, IMNSHO.

Secular humanism?

How about these responses?

Primus responds to decision by Justice Minister Kenny MacAskill to release Lockerbie bomber

The Most Rev David Chillingworth, Bishop of St Andrews, Dunkeld and Dunblane and Primus of the Scottish Episcopal Church says:

“The decision to release Lockerbie bomber Abdelbaset Ali al-Megrahi is a brave political choice taken in the face of strong pressure from outside Scotland. We respect and honour the courage which the Scottish Government has shown.

Church of Scotland welcomes release of Lockerbie bomb prisoner

The Church of Scotland has praised the decision by Justice Minister Kenny MacAskill that means Lockerbie bomber Abdelbaset Ali al-Megrahi has been released from prison on compassionate grounds.

But there are deep frustrations that the end of al-Megrahi's appeal and his release will now allow the British government and the Libyan authorities to get away with what some believe to be a cover-up over the true circumstances of the terror tragedy in December 1988.

The Rev Ian Galloway, convener of the Kirk's Church and Society Council, commented: “This decision has sent a message to the world about what it is to be Scottish. We are defined as a nation by how we treat those who have chosen to hurt us. Do we choose mercy even when they did not chose mercy?"

199 albusteve  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 10:16:51am

re: #194 Ward Cleaver

I doubt that the residents of Lockerbie are happy about this.

victims, families, residents...they don't count...it's the way things are...it's about business, politics and power

200 yma o hyd  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 10:16:55am

re: #177 reloadingisnotahobby

If ya gotta give 'em anything...
They went for the BIG score!

They did - money was never fully recovered - and Biggs lived the life of Riley in Brazil.
He came back and took what was coming to him because he'd run out of all his stolen money - and he'd become ill.

Brazilian health service not as good for poor people as the NHS! So he preferred a cushy British prison ...

201 cybermonk  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 10:16:57am

re: #15 Cannadian Club Akbar

that is from the Torah, Jewish law

202 SixDegrees  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 10:17:07am

re: #184 Ward Cleaver

Reagan would. He stopped the Achille Lauro hijackers.

There's no crime being committed here, and no crime was committed by Scotland in releasing him. It's a stupid, odious action, but it hardly rises to the level of fomenting an international incident over.

Unless, of course, you're OK with the British sending undercover commando teams into New York to eliminate IRA fundraisers. Or with Cuba sending paratroopers into Miami to deal with expatriates who have been vocal in their opposition to the regime.

This is a childish, irrational response to a sad situation. Take a deep breath, please.

203 Gang of One  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 10:17:07am

re: #180 Ward Cleaver

Plus it's another way to kick America in the shins.

But, they're all supposed to love us now! We have Teh Won® in the WH now.

204 MikeAlv77  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 10:17:10am

re: #196 lawhawk

re: #185 Mad Mullah


Yes, there are a few who think that this terrorist was innocent of the charges against him.

That is insane. How could they think he was innocent. Guess they would need proof that Bin Laden was a bad guy. Amazing.. they putting LSD in the water there?

205 Ward Cleaver  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 10:17:16am

re: #192 yma o hyd

The little town looked like a scene from hell - I well remember the TV reports.
There were fires, there was a huge hole in the ground where some houses had stood - it was stomach-turning.

The image that sticks in my mind is of the airplane seat, with a woman still in it, hanging from the side of a home. That and the nose of the 747, collapsed in a Scottish field. "The Maid of the Seas" painted on its side.

206 NukeAtomrod  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 10:17:58am

re: #193 freedombilly

First I agree with Barney Frank. Now Eric Holder?

I think I need a drink.

Occasionally a blind squirell finds a fruit that didn't fall far from the tree... or something like that.

207 Ward Cleaver  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 10:18:02am

re: #198 Gus 802

Gag me.

208 lostlakehiker  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 10:18:07am

I'm going to try to even down my dingscore here. I disagree with the general sentiment saying that Scotland is the land of cowards and appeasers.

Scotland may be a wee bit daft, but they've got grit. Glasgow suicide bombing story from wikipedia

The 2007 Glasgow International Airport attack occurred on Saturday 30 June 2007, at 15:11 BST, when a dark green Jeep Cherokee loaded with propane canisters was driven into the glass doors of the Glasgow International Airport terminal and set ablaze.[3] It was the first terrorist attack to take place in Scotland since the Lockerbie bombing in 1988,[4] and the first terrorist attack ever to target Scotland. The attack occurred three days after the appointment of Glasgow-born Scottish MP Gordon Brown as Prime Minister of the United Kingdom, but Downing Street dismissed suggestions of a connection,[5] although a close link was quickly established to the foiled attack on London the previous day.

Security bollards outside the entrance stopped the car from entering the terminal, although the doors were damaged. The car's driver was severely burnt in the ensuing fire and five members of the public were also injured, none seriously. Some injuries were sustained by those assisting the police in detaining the occupants.

Both of the car occupants were apprehended at the scene, and all those injured were taken to the Royal Alexandra Hospital in nearby Paisley.[1][2][6][7] Within three days, Scotland Yard had confirmed that eight people had been taken into custody in connection with this incident and that in London.[1][8][9][10]

Police identified the two men as Bilal Abdullah, a British-born, Muslim doctor of Iraqi descent working at the Royal Alexandra Hospital,[11][12] and Kafeel Ahmed, also known as Khalid Ahmed, the driver, who was treated for severe burns at the same hospital.[13] The newspaper, The Australian, alleges that a suicide note indicated that the two had intended to die in the attack.[14] Ahmed did eventually die of his injuries, on 2 August.[15] Bilal Abdullah was later found guilty of conspiracy to commit murder and was sentenced to 32 years in prison.


Random members of the public found themselves on the spot and they went to work doing what had to be done, even though it meant sustaining injuries and risking death. Shai Dorsai!

209 ORD neighbor  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 10:18:26am

"All who are made to be compassionate in the place of the cruel in the end are made to be cruel in the place of the compassionate." No, that's not original, but it seems appropriate.

210 Gang of One  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 10:18:30am

re: #198 Gus 802

Secular humanism?

How about these responses?

How about misguided and pathetic.

211 yma o hyd  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 10:19:15am

re: #185 Mad Mullah

Reading some news articles about this, it seems that American families who had victims on the flight are absolutely outraged and they are obviously opposed to the release of the mass murdering terrorist scum, but that quite a few British families welcomed his release. Is there something wrong with the drinking water in Britain?

No - quite a few of the Scottish families think he was not the guilty one, or not solely, and that his conviction needed to be revised.
They are outraged because such an appeal is now not going to take place.
IIRC, there are even some American families who think he was not the sole guilty party.

212 laZardo  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 10:19:40am

Speaking of Scotland...where's realwest?

213 kynna  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 10:19:59am

re: #122 experiencedtraveller

I am sure this had nothing to do with Scottish interest in Libyan natural gas.

Deals with the Devil are a terrible idea. You never get your soul's worth.

My Scots ancestors are weeping.

214 rumcrook  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 10:20:04am

I went to high school with one of the girls on that flight.


this guy should have died in prison. what the f? isnt a life sentence a life sentence? why do other prisoners die in prison as per thier sentence but this animal gets to leave becuase he might die soon!!!???

215 midwestgak  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 10:20:06am

re: #192 yma o hyd

The little town looked like a scene from hell - I well remember the TV reports.
There were fires, there was a huge hole in the ground where some houses had stood - it was stomach-turning.

Warning - Graphic picture

216 KenJen  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 10:20:13am

Scotland is losing it. No jail time for criminals with kids.

217 Gearhead  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 10:20:34am

First Londonistan, now Al Ediburgh.

218 MikeAlv77  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 10:20:48am

re: #198 Gus 802

They are mistaken that having compassion is the same as serving your time for your deeds. Compassion is to provide him some (and I mean minimal) medical care while in prison. Releasing him is not compassion. Its stupidity

219 G.W.  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 10:21:06am

"He who is compassionate to the cruel will become cruel to the compassionate"

As true as ever.

220 Dreader1962  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 10:21:14am

re: #204 MikeAlv77

That is insane. How could they think he was innocent. Guess they would need proof that Bin Laden was a bad guy. Amazing.. they putting LSD in the water there?

Just guessing, because I haven't followed the detail of the appeal, but is the thinking that Libya offered this guy up as a scapegoat in lieu of the 'true' terrorist?

Also, there seems to be a hint of 'cover-up' by the authorities - covering up what? I know something about the inside of this incident (not anything that goes to blaming other actors, but details as to motivation to bomb this target).

Anyone here have a good link toward details of this?

221 NukeAtomrod  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 10:21:17am

re: #150 Dianna

Checking now...

222 itellu3times  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 10:21:22am

re: #175 yma o hyd

Its Scottish law, and the person who released him wasn't a judge - it was the Scottish Minister of Justice.

Justice, as if.

223 harrylook  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 10:21:41am

re: #173 SixDegrees

re: #156 Ward Cleaver


Nothing he can do. Holder issued a condemnatory statement today, but there's not anything more that can reasonably be done.

True, now that the Wimp in Chief has waited until the deed is done... Actually, there are diplomatic measures, like delivering a formal letter of protest, recalling our ambassador and expelling theirs (if only temporarily)...

224 yma o hyd  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 10:21:47am

re: #196 lawhawk

Yes, there are a few who think that this terrorist was innocent of the charges against him.

Thats why - on top of his release - the withdrawal of his appeal is such an incredible disservice to justice: this case will now not be re-investigated; if tehre are others involved, and if he indeed was not 'guilty' - we will never know.

Its a disgrace.

225 Gus  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 10:22:05am

re: #210 Gang of One

How about misguided and pathetic.

Much better. Now, for sure the Labour Party played a role in this along with National Party MSP Kenny MacAskill.

226 Dianna  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 10:22:08am

re: #202 SixDegrees

Unless, of course, you're OK with the British sending undercover commando teams into New York to eliminate IRA fundraisers.

I wish they would have, back in the 80s.

227 CommonCents  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 10:22:16am

He was convicted of murdering 270 people. At what point is the death penalty appropriate? 2,700? 270,000? 2,700,000?

228 brennant  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 10:22:25am

Sad. That man should have had his last breath in prison. I feel for the folks who lost someone, and once again, has to relive the pain all over again.

229 LGoPs  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 10:22:51am

Seems to me that this terrorist has had a death sentence imposed after all. The courts didn't have the resolve to do it, so a higher power intervened.

230 yochanan  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 10:22:59am

just a wee daft

231 laZardo  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 10:23:03am

Ah, hell. I'm goin to bed. Cheers.

Oh, and also finally replaced my avatar after 2-ish years here...

232 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 10:23:36am

re: #227 CommonCents

He was convicted of murdering 270 people. At what point is the death penalty appropriate? 2,700? 270,000? 2,700,000?

Depends on who you ask. There are many people who believe no crime is worth the death penalty. I am not among them.

233 Johnnyreb  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 10:23:43am

re: #128 laZardo

re: #116 Johnnyreb


Heroes of the State get special treatment.

/as it were.

re: #227 CommonCents

He was convicted of murdering 270 people. At what point is the death penalty appropriate? 2,700? 270,000? 2,700,000?

Does the UK even have a death penalty anymore? I am not sure.

234 albusteve  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 10:24:06am

"if your not with us, you're with the terrorists"...down in my guts I don't think we can win this one...to many appeasers and apologists

235 Bagua  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 10:24:34am

re: #211 yma o hyd

re: #185 Mad Mullah


No - quite a few of the Scottish families think he was not the guilty one, or not solely, and that his conviction needed to be revised.
They are outraged because such an appeal is now not going to take place.
IIRC, there are even some American families who think he was not the sole guilty party.

I find it difficult to beleive that he was the only one guilty of such a crime, no doubt he was acting on the orders or a country or terrorist organization.

236 Shiplord Kirel  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 10:24:35am

re: #198 Gus 802

re: #161 Gang of One

The Church of Scotland? Hahaha, I'll bet all 13 remaining members approved these statements. If it weren't for their legacy income and fat donations from rich lefties, the CoS clergy would be begging on the streets.

237 KenJen  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 10:24:39am

How many terrorists are in European prisons? We all better pray these guys don't get prostate cancer.

238 LGoPs  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 10:24:44am

re: #227 CommonCents

He was convicted of murdering 270 people. At what point is the death penalty appropriate? 2,700? 270,000? 2,700,000?

"One death is a tragedy. Hundreds of thousands or millions are just a statistic"
- Stalin (paraphrased)
/

239 Silvergirl  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 10:24:48am

Calling Braveheart! Where is William Wallace when you need him? (Kindly leave any comments about Mel Gibson out of this one)

And if you are Scotsmen, I am ashamed to call myself one.
--William Wallace, in Braveheart

240 yma o hyd  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 10:25:00am

re: #199 albusteve

victims, families, residents...they don't count...it's the way things are...it's about business, politics and power

Indeed.
When it was reported here that Peter Mandelson, NuLab's evil spirit and sec of state for business, had been seen together with one son of Ghadaffi, during his holidays a few weeks ago - we knew there was no way this was going to be stopped.

I bet that Mandelson is very happy to have the Scots and the Scottish National Party (which defeated NuLab in Scotland!) carrying the sh*t-can for him!

241 MikeAlv77  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 10:25:16am

re: #234 albusteve

"if your not with us, you're with the terrorists"...down in my guts I don't think we can win this one...to many appeasers and apologists

I also agree with you on this. Too many people feel if you can just understand them and their issues, the problem goes away.

SPIT!!!

242 subsailor68  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 10:25:51am

Well, at least this news helped clear up any remaining questions I may have had concerning the validity of the death penalty.

243 Gearhead  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 10:26:12am

And what credit will the Islamists give the West for this act of compassion? None.

244 Who Watches the Watchmen?  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 10:26:18am

Unbelievable.

245 yma o hyd  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 10:26:24am

re: #205 Ward Cleaver

The image that sticks in my mind is of the airplane seat, with a woman still in it, hanging from the side of a home. That and the nose of the 747, collapsed in a Scottish field. "The Maid of the Seas" painted on its side.

Yes - I recall those as well.
The area over which the parts of the plane had been strewn was enormous.

246 Son of the Black Dog  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 10:26:31am

re: #220 Dreader1962

Just guessing, because I haven't followed the detail of the appeal, but is the thinking that Libya offered this guy up as a scapegoat in lieu of the 'true' terrorist?
...

Kadaffi is the true terrorist.

247 KenJen  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 10:26:41am

re: #231 laZardo

Ah, hell. I'm goin to bed. Cheers.

Oh, and also finally replaced my avatar after 2-ish years here...

Much better. The old one looked like a Precious Moments figurine.

248 Shiplord Kirel  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 10:26:57am

re: #208 lostlakehiker

I'm going to try to even down my dingscore here. I disagree with the general sentiment saying that Scotland is the land of cowards and appeasers.

Scotland may be a wee bit daft, but they've got grit. Glasgow suicide bombing story from wikipedia


Random members of the public found themselves on the spot and they went to work doing what had to be done, even though it meant sustaining injuries and risking death. Shai Dorsai!

I suspect that this decision would have different if it had been left up to random members of the public in Glasgow.

249 Who Watches the Watchmen?  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 10:27:28am

Why is he hiding his face?

250 yma o hyd  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 10:27:50am

re: #208 lostlakehiker

You're right - lets not forget that politicians, especially once they've won office, do not = the people!

251 Gearhead  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 10:28:51am

re: #249 Who Watches the Watchmen?

Why is he hiding his face?

Covering the smile.

252 SasquatchOnSteroids  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 10:28:56am

re: #243 Gearhead

And what credit will the Islamists give the West for this act of compassion? None.

Sign of weakness.

253 Gus  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 10:29:34am

re: #249 Who Watches the Watchmen?

Why is he hiding his face?

Part of the "show." To make him look weak and infirmed.

254 Silvergirl  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 10:30:20am

re: #231 laZardo

Ah, hell. I'm goin to bed. Cheers.

Oh, and also finally replaced my avatar after 2-ish years here...

Okay, now you have to post the old one so we can see if it really fits the Precious Moments description.

255 _RememberTonyC  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 10:30:48am

two points here:

1. He will be received as a hero in libya upon his return ... count on it.

2. With 270 murders on his tab, he served approximately one month per victim.

nice job, Scotland.

256 yma o hyd  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 10:31:16am

re: #233 Johnnyreb

Nope.
No death penalty in the UK - never mind that the people think it should be brought back, for terrorists and murderers of police men and women, for a start ...

257 theheat  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 10:31:23am

On one hand, I'm happy to know that finally a real asshole was stricken with cancer, since it seems to prevail among more decent people. Sort of restores my faith in the karmic balance of things., not that it amounts to much of a consolation.

Gotti probably killed fewer than 270 people, and he died of cancer in prison. I know a lot of other people have died of cancer in prison. Some people have died of cancer with no health care whatsoever, that weren't even prisoners. That's not a backdoor segue about Obama's proposed health plan, BTW, but a simple fact.

So, while I know it's shitty and one of those things we aren't supposed to talk about wishing on other people (kind of a Democrat/HuffPo thing to do), I can recommend cancer without hesitation to mass murdering pukes like this. If that makes me a heartless asshole, so be it.

God forgives. I don't. Just the way it is. That's how I roll. I'll adopt strays and orphaned baby birds, but I don't give two shits about a terrorist that got dealt the hand of cancer.

258 livefreeor die  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 10:31:39am

This breaks my heart. I was acquainted with two of the people from my college who were on that plane. They were both warm, kind, compassionate people with great senses of humor. I can't imagine the continued pain their families experience and what they are going through today.

259 yma o hyd  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 10:32:26am

re: #235 Bagua

I find it difficult to beleive that he was the only one guilty of such a crime, no doubt he was acting on the orders or a country or terrorist organization.

I think the expression, from sport, is: 'he took one for the team'.

260 Lee Coller  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 10:33:13am

re: #41 sattv4u2

Someday in the future, there will be a blurb in the rags that he finally died from the cancer
However, I would rather read that he died from lead poisining!

Sorry, I can't agree, firing squads are too good for him, it should have been a fall with an abrupt stop at the end of a rope.

261 Spider Mensch  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 10:33:33am

all of Scotland..hang your heads in shame of what your courts have done...read the list and hang your heads in shame...[Link: americanradioworks.publicradio.org...]

262 Mad Mullah  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 10:34:23am

Digging deeper, he seems to have been released due to religious reasons.

He will do this, says the paper, on compassionate grounds, for the Libyan is said to be suffering from terminal prostate cancer and "Ramadan begins on Friday, and there is concern that he would not survive the strict fasting regime involved while in prison".

I can't say I'm shocked since much of Europe is totally turning into a weak continent of appeasers populated by far too many PC idiots.

[Link: www.guardian.co.uk...]

263 Lincolntf  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 10:34:35am

I wonder what it says about America that we allow regimes who sponsor the wholesale murder of our citizens to live happily ever after? Come to think of it, we even allow people who try to kill the President directly (Hinckley and Fromme) to end up back on the street.

So much for deterrence.

264 Ward Cleaver  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 10:34:51am

I've got an idea - instead of sending him home to Libya to die, how about strapping him into an airplane seat, then pushing the whole thing out the back door of a C-17, 35,000 feet above the Scottish countryside? So he could die the same way his victims did?

265 jill e  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 10:35:02am

Terrorists believe compassion = weakness

266 LoquaciousLady  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 10:35:02am

re: #198 Gus 802

re: #228 brennant

Sad. That man should have had his last breath in prison. I feel for the folks who lost someone, and once again, has to relive the pain all over again.

Ummm, a sentence carried out not nearly soon enough!

267 Kenneth  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 10:35:32am

From Diversity.com comes this helpful advice...

5 Things NEVER to Say to Muslim Coworkers

Why only 5? I can think of a lot better than those 5 lame things, anyway.

10 Things NEVER to Say to a Black Coworker

Kind of obvious. If you need this sort of advice, you wouldn't be reading this website anyway.

9 Things NEVER to Say to White Colleagues

You have to like #5 "You're just a typical white person"... somebody forgot that rule recently.

268 Gang of One  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 10:35:32am

re: #235 Bagua

OT question: do you study the bagua style of Kung Fu? It's an amazing system ... eight distinct techniques in one, yes?

269 Gus  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 10:35:45am

re: #262 Mad Mullah

Digging deeper, he seems to have been released due to religious reasons.

He will do this, says the paper, on compassionate grounds, for the Libyan is said to be suffering from terminal prostate cancer and "Ramadan begins on Friday, and there is concern that he would not survive the strict fasting regime involved while in prison".

I can't say I'm shocked since much of Europe is totally turning into a weak continent of appeasers populated by far too many PC idiots.

[Link: www.guardian.co.uk...]

Dhimmitude

270 flyovercountry  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 10:35:56am

There are no words for this. The fact that this animal is returning to his home as a hero, should speak volumes to the civilized world. It is beyond naivetae to believe that, "tough diplomacy," is going to be anything but jawdroppingly disasterous for those of us living as free people in the west. It will be beyond negligence if our Commander in Chief continues this show of weakness which has been the hallmark of his Presidency thus far.

271 albusteve  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 10:36:17am

it's injustices like this that infuriates people who already have a bad attitude...someone is gonna snap someday and innocent Muslims somewhere will pay the price...probably in Europe but it could be anywhere...closing Gitmo, appeasing Iran, lavishing money on Hamas while condemning Israel, releasing killers and giving them Constitutional rights...it all adds up

272 NY Nana  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 10:36:44am

I am livid over this. A lot of the kids who died were students at Syracuse University. A friend of mine's son was a junior, and was so excited about going...he did not, as he had a very nasty chest infection. He lost a number of friends, and in a way, suffered from what was a form of 'survivors' guilt. He and his parents and siblings moved out of state, and I lost touch over the years with his Mum. I cannot begin to imagine what it feels like to lose so many friends, and but for being ill, and not being able to go? I can only wonder what parents, siblings, family and friends of those lost must feel on this painful day.

Scotland should hang its' head in shame...11 Scots, on the ground, also were killed by this monster, who should have been left in prison to die.

And there were also kids from our local High School, and 2 Parochial Schools on the flight...this is a sad day for everyone, and seeing a terrorist go free?

273 yma o hyd  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 10:37:43am

Btw - apparently those who think Megrahi wasn't the guilty one, and that a massive cover-up as well as hugely inadequate investigations had taken place, they think that it was actually the Syrians who did this, with Iranian help.

No linkies - just something which has been hinted at in various papers over here.

274 LoquaciousLady  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 10:37:50am

re: #262 Mad Mullah

Digging deeper, he seems to have been released due to religious reasons.

He will do this, says the paper, on compassionate grounds, for the Libyan is said to be suffering from terminal prostate cancer and "Ramadan begins on Friday, and there is concern that he would not survive the strict fasting regime involved while in prison".

I can't say I'm shocked since much of Europe is totally turning into a weak continent of appeasers populated by far too many PC idiots.

[Link: www.guardian.co.uk...]

Sadly this gives the BNP some more ammo.

275 jill e  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 10:38:09am

It's a hand-out-candy-on-the-streets kind of day in Libya.

276 JohnnyReb  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 10:38:13am

re: #256 yma o hyd

re: #233 Johnnyreb

Nope.
No death penalty in the UK - never mind that the people think it should be brought back, for terrorists and murderers of police men and women, for a start ...

Thanks. I am reading about the death penalty in the UK through history. Fascinating stuff, I didn't know there was an actual sentence of death by being burnt at the stake as late as 1789 in the UK.

277 [deleted]  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 10:39:13am
278 Gearhead  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 10:39:14am

re: #267 Kenneth

From Diversity.com comes this helpful advice...

5 Things NEVER to Say to Muslim Coworkers

Why only 5? I can think of a lot better than those 5 lame things, anyway.

10 Things NEVER to Say to a Black Coworker

Kind of obvious. If you need this sort of advice, you wouldn't be reading this website anyway.

9 Things NEVER to Say to White Colleagues

You have to like #5 "You're just a typical white person"... somebody forgot that rule recently.

And a few I've heard:
"You don't sound like you're from the South."
"Do you live on a dirt road?"
"Are those really your shoes?"
"What does possum taste like?"

Freedom from being offended - not in the Bill of Rights

279 Ben Hur  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 10:39:15am

the 1988 Lockerbie plane bombing?

I'm sorry, but that's NOT how I refer to the terrorist attack.

Though my thoughts go out the the families of the THREE (?) people killed in Lockerbie, Lockerbie, Scotland, nor the Scots, were the targets of this terrorist attack.

American civilians were the target.

It was an attack on the United States of America.

American Pan Am Flight 103.

280 livefreeor die  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 10:40:10am

re: #279 Ben Hur

Good point.

281 Ben Hur  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 10:40:26am

Sorry.

11 Scots, not 3.

282 mikalm  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 10:40:47am

re: #274 LoquaciousLady

Sadly this gives the BNP some more ammo.

Unfortunately true. Until a credible, non-racist, anti-dhimmitude political movement shows up in Europe, the neofascist groups will continue to grow.

283 Kenneth  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 10:40:49am

Ontario's Gentle Stalinists Moving Forward!

No longer tied down investigating complaints, Ontario's Human Rights Commission is now better able to build "a culture of human rights" through targeted inquiries and public education, Chief Commissioner Barbara Hall said yesterday.

"We knew what our new role would be because we'd done bits of it before and wanted to do much more," Hall said as she released the commission's first annual report since legislative changes came into effect last year.

"Now that we're not involved with the individual complaints, we have the focus on the more substantive issues," she said.

284 Dreader1962  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 10:41:01am

re: #273 yma o hyd

Btw - apparently those who think Megrahi wasn't the guilty one, and that a massive cover-up as well as hugely inadequate investigations had taken place, they think that it was actually the Syrians who did this, with Iranian help.

No linkies - just something which has been hinted at in various papers over here.

Hmmm...

I'd be interested in entertaining the possibility, especially since it maps to what else I know about this incident. The trouble I have with the word 'cover-up' is that it somehow implies that the US or UK had something to do with bombing the plane.

It's not exactly clear that this would have been brought out in appeal, but nevertheless it is important to know the true actors in this case, especially if the puppet master was Iran. Would it cause a shift in European policy regarding their pursuit of nukes? Probably not.

285 yma o hyd  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 10:41:04am

From a comment to the editorial I linked above:

'So this is nothing to do with the Scottish people, whose consent has most definitely not been sought; it is rather an example of our corrupt and devious political class using the overwhelming powers they have accumulated, largely under this amoral and manipulative Labour government, to serve their own murky interests.'

[Link: www.timesonline.co.uk...]

286 Kenneth  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 10:42:01am

re: #278 Gearhead

"Are you really married to your cousin?"

287 yma o hyd  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 10:43:36am

re: #284 Dreader1962

Hmmm...

I'd be interested in entertaining the possibility, especially since it maps to what else I know about this incident. The trouble I have with the word 'cover-up' is that it somehow implies that the US or UK had something to do with bombing the plane.

It's not exactly clear that this would have been brought out in appeal, but nevertheless it is important to know the true actors in this case, especially if the puppet master was Iran. Would it cause a shift in European policy regarding their pursuit of nukes? Probably not.

No, it would not cause a shift in the politics of European countries, nor of the USA.
But Justice must be done, and seen to be done - else one of the most important foundations of any state crumbles.

What happened here is not Jsutice.

288 ladycatnip  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 10:43:58am

#193 freedombilly

First I agree with Barney Frank. Now Eric Holder?

I think I need a drink.

A broken clock is right twice a day.

289 DaddyG  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 10:44:06am

re: #267 Kenneth Where is the article on 5 things never to say to a liberal? /

290 Gearhead  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 10:44:28am

re: #286 Kenneth

"Are you really married to your cousin?"

Heh.

"If you get divorced, are you still cousins?"

291 Dreader1962  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 10:45:37am

Further on this - the intended sequence for the bomb would have had the debris lost over the ocean. The amount of detail recovered for this investigation was extensive and unprecedented.

I'm also curious about what evidence was used by the UK authorities to corroborate the prosecution of this specific person, and what has brought this into question to motivate an appeal.

It's very hard for me to believe that Libya just yanked some average Joe off the street and offered him up, and the UK authorities accepted him without anything else.

Also, of course he's not the only guilty party, but what was he convicted of precisely in regards to the bombing?

292 bemused  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 10:46:02am

re: #18 Desert Dog

Actually he may. My father passed away from the same.The end was harrowing for his surviors and painful for him.

293 debutaunt  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 10:47:03am

re: #243 Gearhead

And what credit will the Islamists give the West for this act of compassion? None.

All that has been shown is weakness.

294 Ben Hur  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 10:47:25am

In the name of Allah the compassionate we release you we press this button.

295 conant  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 10:48:10am

Looks to me like the Scots have finally become fully assimilated and are just like the English. Neville Chamberlain would be so proud.

296 katemaclaren  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 10:48:46am

Theory: The British socialized medicine system doesn't want to spend any more money on this loser. Let him die in pain and misery somewhere else. It is a cost-cutting measure.

297 bemused  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 10:49:25am

re: #193 freedombilly


Don't make it Scotch!

298 _RememberTonyC  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 10:51:02am

I will be in Syracuse next week when I bring my kid up for their sophomore year. There is a Lockerbie memorial on the Quad, since many of the Lockerbie victims were SU students. I will visit that memorial next weekend and pay my respects to the kids who were killed by a terrorist nation called libya. I will also mourn the once great society of scotland. And I will think about how any country can release monsters who murdered 270 people and still claim to be a society worth a damn. I will apologize to the victims and curse scotland for them.

299 bemused  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 10:54:09am

Perhaps this is what awaits him in the afterlife.

From Iowahawk: [Link: iowahawk.typepad.com...]

300 SixDegrees  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 11:04:08am

re: #227 CommonCents

He was convicted of murdering 270 people. At what point is the death penalty appropriate? 2,700? 270,000? 2,700,000?

Britain doesn't impose the death penalty under any circumstances, as far as I know.

Charles Manson is never going to be executed by the state, either.

301 Silvergirl  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 11:07:17am

Comments from Scottish bloggers. I divided them into two groups of three comments. Only the ones who are clearly Scotsmen are here. If you want the article and all the comments look here

1) So the Yanks are disgusted are they? Well most of Scotland is disgusted that the Yanks are extrdicting Gary McKinnon. How does it feel, America?


2) This is for the best. What happen in Lockerbie was terrible, but no one can be a 100% sure that Megrahi was involed in the insadent, if he was, it's clear that they he wasnae the only one envoled.

Was it no something like 3 or 4 men that faced the court and one by one each had their case droped with the expetion of Megrahi.

Any way Megrahi has spent 8 years in prision and is terminaly ill. May be it's no long enoungh for people who suffered in a America BUT serousley the way some of the familys are acting is they might have been angry if he died in prison withing the next year or so because he didn't serve enough time for their sufering.

The mans an ecape goat, why is haveing one terminily ill man dieng in prison justice for their lose, when they are people who where possibly envoled in the insadent running about free to do what ever they like.

3) It may not have been the perfect political hill to defend, but MacAskill/Salmond's decision to defy Hillary and Bam and release the Evil Bomber signals that the Scottish government is now in the foreign affairs business big time.
Which is a giant step forward for Scottish independence.
Well done Kenny and Alec.
Meanwhile that idiot Brown is completely out of the picture.
Of course, all this could have been handled better. Which is why the SNP should get on with the vital business of setting up embassies (call then "Agent Generals" if that makes Westminster feel better)in major capitals.
Washington being the most pressing.
One small step back for man. One giant leap forward for Scotsmen (and lasses, of course).


[on the other hand . . .]

1) There is no case for compassion in this situation. This is just some misguided attempt to thumb our nose at America. We are the laughing stock of the world now thanks to this moronic posturing.

2) One giant leap into a cow pat of stupidity and posturing.
Kenny just aiming to free up jail space for drunk neds by releasing mass murderers on a doctors line ?

Brilliant - oh yeah lets set up embassies all over the world . We'd give em a good laugh. Pathetic

3) nonsense. All he has done is kick the victims in the teeth. I hope their next election slogan "Vote SNP we love terrorists" does them well. The massive hurt caused to innocent families who have already suffered so much is incredible. If you were an American tourist would you want to visit this wretched country while these traitors were in charge. No. We owe America an apology and Mr MacAskill a P45.

302 SixDegrees  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 11:08:18am

re: #287 yma o hyd

No, it would not cause a shift in the politics of European countries, nor of the USA.
But Justice must be done, and seen to be done - else one of the most important foundations of any state crumbles.

What happened here is not Jsutice.

Actually, it is justice. Nothing here took place outside of the legal system in any way.

I think you're simply using the wrong word: what happened isn't right. But it's definitely justice.

303 _RememberTonyC  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 11:11:22am

re: #301 Silvergirl

Number 2 in the first batch has a decidedly "Asian" flavor to the writing. And in scotland, Asian means something different than it does in the USA.

304 Silvergirl  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 11:17:25am

re: #303 _RememberTonyC

Muslim?

305 SixDegrees  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 11:18:01am

re: #188 yma o hyd

If PB0 had been really serious about this, he could have twisted some arms behind the scenes, where all these 'negotiations' were taking place.
This wasn't sprung on an unsuspecting world - this has been talked about and written about for a good week now.

If he'd really been surprised about the release of Megrahi - then you have to wonder what all his security advisors, Hillary, the CIA and so forth have been up to, not knowing about this.

Judging from the Scottish commentary above, it appears that it was exactly this sort of heavy-handed arm twisting and demands for a particular outcome by the United States from a sovereign nation that contributed to the result we saw today.

306 _RememberTonyC  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 11:20:54am

re: #304 Silvergirl

re: #303 _RememberTonyC

Muslim?

yep

307 CommonCents  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 11:21:53am

re: #267 Kenneth

From Diversity.com comes this helpful advice...

5 Things NEVER to Say to Muslim Coworkers

Why only 5? I can think of a lot better than those 5 lame things, anyway.

10 Things NEVER to Say to a Black Coworker

Kind of obvious. If you need this sort of advice, you wouldn't be reading this website anyway.

9 Things NEVER to Say to White Colleagues

You have to like #5 "You're just a typical white person"... somebody forgot that rule recently.

Here's another great tip from your link...

Don't beat up your white colleagues by cloaking them in the shroud of "ignorant oppressor" while wearing the shroud of "victim."

Many high profile names are guilty of this.

308 AZDave  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 11:26:49am

However, this scumbag will apply for Obamacare and some American will be bumped out of line so he can receive proper medical care.

309 ukyank  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 11:35:01am

Absolutely right lawhawk. I am an American who has lived here for 10 years. The SNP did this to prove their independence, have a brief moment on the world stage and to flip off the US. They are a left of center party and this Justice Minister Macaskill was actually detained an placed in jail overnight a few years back for being drunk and disorderly at a soccer game. This clown is what passes for a govt official over here. Finally, all the press keeps referring to the "Scottish Government". There is no such thing, its the Scottish Executive. The Nationalist party only insists on calling it the Scottish Government as a way to pretend to be independent and the lazy press goes along with it. Legally they are the Scottish Executive.

re: #44 yma o hyd

re: #9 lawhawk


This unrepentant terrorist served what amounted to a sentence of 11 days per victim - 270 victims in all.

The Scottish judge feels that this terrorist should be released because of some misguided notion of compassion. What about justice? He was sentenced to life - and just because he's got terminal prostate cancer, we should send him packing back to Libya where he'll be honored for his deadly deed?

It's yet another reason why the justice system is not always appropriate for dealing with terrorists - you get situations such as this.


Wasn't a judge, lawhawk - it was the Scottish Minister for Justice - a member of the Scottis Nationalist Party, who governs Scotland right now.
This party seeks to separate Scotland from the rest of the UK - thats one other reason they did it: to show they can!
310 Dreader1962  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 11:39:42am

re: #306 _RememberTonyC

yep

I disagree; I think that Silvergirl did a good job at vetting the comments for 'true' Scots. There are some linguistic traits that point to a Scottish brogue, even ignoring the horrendous spelling. It was almost like reading Old English.

311 dhimmishelter  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 11:41:50am

I know I am late to this thread. But when I heard this morning on the drive in that the Scots had freed this vermin, I had to pull the car over and sit in shock. How could they allow this compassion-less and soul-less beast to go free while 200 people that died a horrifying death were given a death sentence by this animal? Never mind the years he was free in Libya while we struggled with that dictatorship to bring him to trial, so in all, he did pretty well. The co-conspirator perps who worked with him were never tried, and he does not even serve a full sentence.

This is an example of the folly of using western legal systems to deal with terrorists

There are no words that adequately express my outrage at the "compassionate" action of the Scots, and my profound sorrow for the surviving families of flight 103.

312 JPL17  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 11:41:59am

The next time someone tries to justify the lack of a death penalty on the ground that "life imprisonment" means "life imprisonment," I'm calling bullsh*t. Because if the Scots are willing to release this monster, then anyone is capable of releasing anyone, and a life sentence means nothing.

313 J.S.  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 11:42:30am

re: #291 Dreader1962

The murderer was tried by The Hague -- that's in the Netherlands. There's google maps if you need one. The murderer was charged with: * murder; * conspiracy to murder; and, * a breach of the Aviation Security Act 1982. there's a wiki report here:

Also, according to another Wiki article, the British family members are quite happy that the murderous, terrorist scumbag has been released so that he can celebrate with other Libyans. The Brits tell the Americans (who aren't so jumping for joy) to "get real." That's, imo, typical...See Alan Dershowitz's text, "Why Terrorism Works" and look up the pages as per how Europeans deal with mass murdering Terrorists. (this is not, repeat, not a "surprise.")

314 J.S.  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 11:43:51am

re: #312 JPL17

This is the Standard MO for Europeans.

315 keithgabryelski  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 11:44:10am

re: #106 SixDegrees

He's due to die from prostate cancer in a few months. He should have stayed in jail until his scrotum exploded.

My point exactly.

If he died of some sudden nut explosion, no one would have said "we should have sent him home 3 weeks ago".

But, since it is predicted as "imminent" it is seen as a circumstance that warrants his release to his home.

some questions

1) What is the reason for the compassion:
1a) let him die a with family?
1b) let him die in his homeland?
1c) let him die in a more pleasant surrounding?

Is there a 1d? I don't see any of those as "compelling".

2) if he chooses to move to hawaii will he be allowed to (ignore the issue of being allowed in the U.S. -- choose any other vacation spot: fiji?)

3) will he be taking a plane back to his homeland?

316 J.S.  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 11:45:15am

CNN is reporting that the murderous scumbag is now in Libya...just in time for ramadan...

317 Hochmeister  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 11:54:25am

Amazing. What happened to this legendary fortitued of Scotland? Interesting in that I just posted a commentary on my blog that explains how Scotland gave up it's indepedence for a bailout form England. Would appreciate any thoughts/comments.

318 J.S.  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 11:56:50am

CNN is reporting that the murderous scumbag is being greeted by thousands at the airport in Libya. Meanwhile, Obama has said that the scumbag needs to be put under house arrest upon his arrival. Yeah, sure. As if that would ever happen.

319 quickjustice  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 12:02:59pm

A close friend of my sister's was a casualty of the Lockerbie bombing. I had met him. This guy planted the actual bomb. He showed no compassion to the innocent passengers, crew, and Scottish villagers on the ground when he committed this act of mass murder.

From his perspective and that of his comrades in arms, this decision shows weakness, not compassion. The Scottish judges should be ashamed of themselves, as should everyone else in the British government who had a hand in this. No true Scotsman would be involved in such a travesty. These people lack any moral sensibility whatsoever. Short of execution, this man should have died in prison. It would have been a more merciful fate than that he decreed for his victims.

320 Dainn  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 12:07:17pm

re: #316 J.S.

CNN is reporting that the murderous scumbag is now in Libya...just in time for ramadan...

With a thousand fans to meet him. The classic hero returns home...

321 quickjustice  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 12:07:45pm

I fear the great Scots have emigrated, or have died off with the WWII generation, leaving degenerate socialists behind. The pipes have fallen silent, and no longer summon the men of Scotland to war.

My own father, a WWII veteran, was piped to his last rest by a Piper of the Black Watch Regiment.

322 JPL17  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 12:10:20pm

re: #314 J.S.

re: #312 JPL17

This is the Standard MO for Europeans.

Meaning they routinely release anyone serving a life sentence, regardless of what the person did?

323 Dreader1962  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 12:11:34pm

re: #313 J.S.

The murderer was tried by The Hague -- that's in the Netherlands. There's google maps if you need one. The murderer was charged with: * murder; * conspiracy to murder; and, * a breach of the Aviation Security Act 1982. there's a wiki report here:

Also, according to another Wiki article, the British family members are quite happy that the murderous, terrorist scumbag has been released so that he can celebrate with other Libyans. The Brits tell the Americans (who aren't so jumping for joy) to "get real." That's, imo, typical...See Alan Dershowitz's text, "Why Terrorism Works" and look up the pages as per how Europeans deal with mass murdering Terrorists. (this is not, repeat, not a "surprise.")

Your post here seems to imply that I don't think he should have been convicted and agree with his release - nothing is further from the truth. Of course I know where The Hague is; I was stationed in Belgium for three years - don't know if you meant a veiled insult here. I was asking about the evidence used to connect him to the bomb plot to try and understand the motivation behind the appeal and the allegation of Syrian involvement that has been hinted at. Do you have details or a link for that?

From your Wiki link:

Five years after the trial, former Lord Advocate, Lord Fraser, who issued the arrest warrants in 1991, was alleged to have said that he was not entirely happy with the evidence presented against Megrahi during his trial in 2000, and in his subsequent appeal in 2002. However, he made it clear that this did not mean that he believed Megrahi to be innocent
324 Picayune  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 12:11:47pm

re: #52 calcajun

Follow the money. Who approved his release and what are his/their
ties to any middle-east groups/charities. This is not compassion--this
is a payoff.


And here's the connection you might be looking for from Gaddafi's son, Saif:

"Britain's relations with Libya have steadily thawed since it agreed to give up its nuclear ambitions in 2003 and Prime Minister Gordon Brown held one-to-one talks with Muammar Gaddafi for the first time at July's G20 summit in Italy.

But Saif Gaddafi provoked an outcry last year when he described relatives of some of the 270 Lockerbie victims as "very greedy" and accused them "of trading with the blood of their sons and daughters". from this larticle:[Link: news.bbc.co.uk...]

Payoff is a part of the normalization of relations with Gaddafi, no doubt about it. How much grease hit the hands of Mandelson and Justice Secretary MacAskill may never be known. Apparently, Saif thinks they paid to much, already.

This will lead to further "man-made disasters", and it also demeans the perceived value of Obama's policy to "make nice" with terrorist in the eyes of "we the people", as they see that, in the end, there is no justice available to the Innocent Victims.

325 quickjustice  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 12:17:14pm

I'll repeat what I said on another thread: I've heard that many years ago, Colonel Qaddafi dispatched a team of assassins to murder a member of the Royal family. The SAS, in turn, dispatched the assassins.

This is the person to whom the Brits are warming.

326 OraBera  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 12:36:07pm

Scotland is dead to me.

327 J.S.  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 12:38:31pm

re: #322 JPL17

Yes. The terrorists are given a "life" sentence -- yet the terrorists don't serve a life sentence -- they are released. I don't have Dershowitz's book "Why Terrorism Works" with me right now -- I think his book should be required reading. The Europeans routinely release the terrorists -- for whatever reasons -- the reasons vary, but they're let go -- this is part of Dershowitz's thesis -- and why, in his opinion, "terrorism works." They don't take terrorism seriously. You can blow planes out of the sky, murder Americans, and it's a "Americans get what they deserve" -- that's their attitude. Americans deserve it. Thus, even as we speak the Associated press (according to CNN) is saying that the Libyans are welcoming as a "hero" this murderous scumbag back to Libya -- and meanwhile, back in England and Europe, there's been a propaganda campaign conducted by Libya which claims that this mass murdering scumbag is "innocent".

328 J.S.  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 12:40:28pm

re: #323 Dreader1962

Take it up with The Hague if you have problems with the conviction, OK?

329 Dreader1962  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 12:50:27pm

re: #328 J.S.

Take it up with The Hague if you have problems with the conviction, OK?

What is your problem?

Are you trying to start a fight on this thread? If so, you'll be fighting alone. Did I ever say I had a problem with the conviction? Even the Wiki you pointed to indicated problems with the evidence that did not exonerate Megrahi, but could result in further leads to other actors.

I happen to know much more about this than what you can find in Wiki, and my comments here have been solely in the interest of the whole story getting out to the public through means that don't compromise security. There is a story that will likely never be known as to the real motivation behind this bombing (and I'm not pinning this on a Western government, just so you know). There is a memorial that has never been seen by the public, located in a room that carries the name of a man who died on this plane - I retired from the US Army in this room from a unit that was formed to combat terror, so you need to leave it alone.

330 jock_cagney  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 12:54:08pm

re: #274 LoquaciousLady

The SNP whom the ex-drunkard Macaskill is a member of is actively courting the Muslim vote, particularly in Glasgow, so this doesn't come as any surprise.

331 JamesS  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 12:58:07pm

As a British citizen, living in Scotland - and having lived near Lockerbie itself at the time - I am disgusted and ashamed by this.

PA103 was destroyed about 20 miles from my home - my family had moved to a village near Lockerbie earlier that year, with my father's new job with the government. It was his department which had to collect and identify the 270 victims - spread across the world's biggest crime scene, along with hundreds of tonnes of burning debris. Needless to say, the medical personnel were overwhelmed by the task, logistically and emotionally; at least one took his own life shortly after this. I didn't see much "compassion" coming our way from the murderers; as you can imagine, I don't feel too friendly towards the perpetrators.

Megrahi was unanimously convicted (although Scots law, unlike American, requires only a majority to convict). The evidence was re-examined in minute detail by a panel of five judges for his first appeal, and the conviction was upheld: I see no reason to doubt their verdict, but even if he were actually innocent, that issue is a matter for the courts, not for a politician to pre-empt in some backroom deal.

Having been convicted, Megrahi should have been executed. The compromise deal meant he escaped that, by applying Scots law (despite the crime occurring on American soil: an American-registered aircraft flying internationally) - to let him off with a mere eight year sentence, less than 11 days per victim is a travesty. If some vigilante had killed Megrahi en route to Glasgow Airport - itself the scene of a terrorist attack two years ago, though an unsuccessful one - would he have received a sentence of less than eleven days for it? Sadly, I doubt it.

MacAskill's post is not an elected one, but my own MP and MSP are both from his party - with very, very small majorities last election. His actions make me ashamed to live here, but I will do my best to make amends by voting against both representatives of his party at any and every opportunity until I emigrate to a country which still believes in justice and punishing crimes, rather than absurd "compassion" for convicted killers.

To all the Americans reading this, I am sorry; please know that MacAskill does not speak for us all, nor does he act with our support or permission. If there is any justice in this world, he will soon be unemployed; if not, his party might still be in a position to run - and ruin - Scotland, but I won't be living in it any more.

332 Throbert McGee  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 1:01:38pm

re: #267 Kenneth

From Diversity.com comes this helpful advice...

10 Things NEVER to Say to a Black Coworker

Hmmm, they forgot to include THIS utterly insensitive and degrading stereotype:

WHITE COWORKER: Dude, I'm going outside for a cigarette.
BLACK COWORKER: Hang on a sec, I'll join you...
WHITE COWORKER: I'd offer you one of mine, but they're not menthol.

333 solomonpanting  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 1:05:06pm

Some people are still alive only because it's illegal to kill them.

334 Achilles Tang  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 1:24:09pm

I heard this Scot explain that he did it because of the Scottish principle of compassion, which was the most important thing to him.

Translation: I did it because it made ME feel good.

One has to wonder what the True Scotsman thinks.

335 mili  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 1:31:31pm

Wow.If one pokes his cat in a YouTube video,he will surely get 100 (or even more) death threats by tomorrow while nobody seems to care when a man who kills 270 people is released for having prostate cancer.
It happens only in the west...

336 MTF  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 1:59:47pm

Scotland's shame. And our own.

It is inconceivable that Scotland and the UK would take an action like this over the heartfelt objections of the United States. We are complicit.

337 Billy Hank  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 2:01:02pm

Miraculous remission forecast 12 miles off the coast of Libya descending through 10,000 feet inbound to TIP.

338 JPL17  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 2:05:40pm

re: #327 J.S.

Yikes, that's an awful back story, though I appreciate you filling me in. I remember being very impressed by the reviews of Dershowitz's book when it first came out. It sounded extremely compelling. Now I may have to actually read it.

339 Picayune  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 2:07:36pm

re: #334 Naso Tang

As the Cabinet Secretary of Justice, it IS MacAskill's Duty to assure that Justice is preserved, not uphold Scottish social norms of "compassion."

This canard will be his undoing. These retches always have compassion for the worst of terrorists killers, but none for unborn babies, the elderly on health care waiting lists, nor innocent victims.

If a boycott on Scotch (which I am not proposing) does not emerge in the next few days from US outrage over this travesty of Justice, I'll be surprised. And, given the freed terrorist's hero reception in Libya today, and his shortened lifespan, he may go to the head of the short list of selected martyr suicide bombers. Should this occur, and more innocent die ( and I pray it doesn't) then MacAskill should be made to serve out the remainder of the bomber's sentence, at the very least.

And all we get today from Obama and Hillary is feigned concern! More will come of this issue.

340 gareth  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 2:37:09pm

Naso Tang said

Translation: I did it because it made ME feel good.

Sad to say there is a lot of that in British politics today. People abusing their positions to soothe their own consciences, settle petty grievances, feather their own nests and most of all, forgetting they are elected to represent and serve their constituents not rule over them.

A lot of terrible legislation and behaviour has been justified by some prat or other saying they 'believe it is right'. That is often the extent of their justification and the media and voters alike tend to swallow it without question. If what they do is right by the people they would not need to believe it, they would know it.

This is not right.

341 martelbrigade  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 3:02:49pm

Too bad someone did not break out the old Ghillie suit and send him tumbling down those stairs leading up to that plane.

342 kansas  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 3:28:01pm

Obama and Holder said they both did their best to see that this would not happen. Figures.

343 Maui Girl  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 4:04:09pm

It would have been poetic justice if a plethoira of large birds had gotten tangled in the engines of the airplane that was flying this SOB home to Libya.

Being of Scottish descent, I hang my head in shame. I thought the Scots had more balls under their kilts than this.

344 Achilles Tang  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 4:28:45pm

re: #339 Picayune

Obama made the right comments this time, but I have to wonder if he watched the hero reception this prick received at "home" and if his unclenched fist approach has been tempered.

345 arf  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 4:56:59pm

Obama used harsher language with a Cambridge cop.

346 Cheese Eater  Thu, Aug 20, 2009 6:46:52pm

on this same day?

our own government released 80 iranian backed iraqi Madr terrorists, some with american blood on their hands...

what a crying shame...

347 harmless  Fri, Aug 21, 2009 2:05:33am

Stop yelling at the poor Scots, this had nothing to do with them. Unelected Enforcer Madelson (aka Mandy) did a deal with the Libyans, who knows what he got in return but I'm betting some NuLabourite donators will be getting some preferential deals in Libya soon. The poor Scots simply got told to let him go, nothing to do with Scottish justice or naivete.

348 jock_cagney  Fri, Aug 21, 2009 9:31:40am

re: #347 harmless

Sorry, us Scots have to take blame for electing lefty scum like Macaskill.

It is true that the UK government hands are dirty as they have the authority to step in and overrule Macaskill's decision but the SNP used Meghari as a cheap publicity shot to further their ends.


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