When the far left New York Times smears you as a sneaky ultra-rightie on the same day that a far right fascist-supporting site smears you as a sneaky ultra-leftie, I believe that counts as a win.
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MandyManners Mon, Aug 24, 2009 5:04:59am |
the war on misogyny
The NYT doesn’t understand the nature of radical Islam.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, Aug 24, 2009 5:06:41am |
Intellectual honesty is just not very popular these days.
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Bobblehead Mon, Aug 24, 2009 5:07:01am |
re: #3 MandyManners
The NYT doesn’t understand the nature of radical Islam.
Not only the NYT. Check this out about The Columbus Dispatch..
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MandyManners Mon, Aug 24, 2009 5:07:48am |
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VioletTiger Mon, Aug 24, 2009 5:09:01am |
re: #4 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Intellectual honesty is just not very popular these days.
Sensationalism, jumping to conclusions and exaggeration have really caught on, however.
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TheMatrix31 Mon, Aug 24, 2009 5:09:50am |
re: #6 MandyManners
It would be remiss of me not to post a bit of topical music.
[Video]
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Bobblehead Mon, Aug 24, 2009 5:09:55am |
May I add the Dispatch is my home town paper and am I pissed. Argh!
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, Aug 24, 2009 5:11:03am |
re: #3 MandyManners
The NYT doesn’t want to understand the nature of radical Islam.
Teeny bit of editorializing there…
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midwestgak Mon, Aug 24, 2009 5:11:22am |
If LGF had no impact in the political arena, it would never be mentioned let alone be a target of smears/accusations.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, Aug 24, 2009 5:12:06am |
re: #6 MandyManners
Can’t hear that song without thinking of Michael Madsen’s scene in “Reservior Dogs”.
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BlueCanuck Mon, Aug 24, 2009 5:12:25am |
Interesting. Seems like everyone is shooting the messanger. As the saying goes, you must be over target when you start recieving flak.
/for what we are about to recieve may the lord make us truly thankful
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TheMatrix31 Mon, Aug 24, 2009 5:13:19am |
re: #13 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Can’t hear that song without thinking of Michael Madsen’s scene in “Reservior Dogs”.
My #9.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Mon, Aug 24, 2009 5:13:23am |
re: #12 midwestgak
If LGF had no impact in the political arena, it would never be mentioned let alone be a target of smears/accusations.
Didn’t Dan Rather make fun of bloggers?
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, Aug 24, 2009 5:14:16am |
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jones Mon, Aug 24, 2009 5:16:21am |
No one’s going to ask you to Prom, Charles.
Congratulations on the good work.
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MikeAlv77 Mon, Aug 24, 2009 5:17:02am |
re: #18 jones
No one’s going to ask you to Prom, Charles.
Congratulations on the good work.
Its alright… he wouldn’t look good in heels and a strapless gown…
///
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Cannadian Club Akbar Mon, Aug 24, 2009 5:18:06am |
re: #19 MikeAlv77
Its alright… he wouldn’t look good in heels and a strapless gown…
///
Plus, you ever try to ride a bike while wearing heels?
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Targetpractice Mon, Aug 24, 2009 5:19:52am |
Gee Charles, I didn’t know you’d dubbed yourself the “Grand Inquisitor of Conservatism.” Does this mean we all get a bonus in our International Zionist Conspiracy checks?
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Spenser (with an S) Mon, Aug 24, 2009 5:20:07am |
re: #18 jones
No one’s going to ask you to Prom, Charles.
I think Google Adwords thinks he’s quite hot.
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Spenser (with an S) Mon, Aug 24, 2009 5:23:32am |
re: #22 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
Gee Charles, I didn’t know you’d dubbed yourself the “Grand Inquisitor of Conservatism.” Does this mean we all get a bonus in our International Zionist Conspiracy checks?
Cool, double-dipping. I call dibs on Ice’s share.
//
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Ojoe Mon, Aug 24, 2009 5:24:20am |
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Ojoe Mon, Aug 24, 2009 5:25:37am |
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Ojoe Mon, Aug 24, 2009 5:28:24am |
“Hawkish sites that have taken up feminism include Little Green Footballs,…”
from the NYT article
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Empire1 Mon, Aug 24, 2009 5:30:37am |
Not sure if this will post or not, but here goes anyway. Is anyone else having problems? Every time I try to ding, reply, or quote, I get bounced back to the front page. “New Comments” doesn’t work; I have to refresh to see anything new. This is my first try at posting since the above started happening a couple of days ago, so I have no idea what’ll happen, if anything.
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Salamantis Mon, Aug 24, 2009 5:32:27am |
What really peeves my cockles is the snide, snotty, sneering, supercilious attitude that the NYT writer takes towards people quite reasonably taking principled ethical issue with how radical Muslim men typically treat women. And I hasten to add that radical Muslims also treat homosexuals, Jews and nonMuslims in general in similarly cruel, bigotrous, and oppressive ways.
I just can’t understand how the religion card can apparently trump human and civil rights concerns when Muslims play it or others play it on their behalf, but it doesn’t fly for any other faith.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, Aug 24, 2009 5:34:12am |
Thinking that women should not be subjugated by men into wearing burquas and facing murder if they slight a man is feminism?
That’s a definition, ain’t it?
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The Shadow Do Mon, Aug 24, 2009 5:35:01am |
You’d almost thing Charles had something against idiots or somesuch.
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Ghost of a Dopefish Mon, Aug 24, 2009 5:35:56am |
Morning lizards.
So Charles, if you’re both an extreme rightwing hack and an extreme leftwing nutjob… does that mean you don’t exist?
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Salamantis Mon, Aug 24, 2009 5:39:15am |
re: #33 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Thinking that women should not be subjugated by men into wearing burquas and facing murder if they slight a man is feminism?
That’s a definition, ain’t it?
There are many different facets to their discrimination:
1) Honor Killings
2) Forced Genital Mutilation
3) Arranged Marriages
4) Mandatory Bechadoring
5) Diminished Legal Rights (inheritance, weight assigned to testimony, custody of children, right to drive motor vehicles, right to vote, right to travel unaccompanied, etc.)
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JamesTKirk Mon, Aug 24, 2009 5:40:58am |
re: #3 MandyManners
The NYT doesn’t understand
the nature of radical Islam.
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JamesTKirk Mon, Aug 24, 2009 5:41:32am |
re: #4 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Intellectual honesty is just not very popular these days.
Honesty is the best policy.
The NYT has always been willing to settle for the second-best policy.
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Salamantis Mon, Aug 24, 2009 5:42:29am |
New York Times: All the News that Fits our Bent.
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nonic Mon, Aug 24, 2009 5:43:17am |
re: #30 Salamantis
What really peeves my cockles is the snide, snotty, sneering, supercilious attitude that the NYT writer takes towards people quite reasonably taking principled ethical issue with how radical Muslim men typically treat women. And I hasten to add that radical Muslims also treat homosexuals, Jews and nonMuslims in general in similarly cruel, bigotrous, and oppressive ways.
I just can’t understand how the religion card can apparently trump human and civil rights concerns when Muslims play it or others play it on their behalf, but it doesn’t fly for any other faith.
Because the Left does not see Islam as a religion. They see Muslims as a race. And race trumps EVERYTHING.
(Don’t explain to ME that being Muslim is not a racial issue — explain it to the Lefties.)
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JamesTKirk Mon, Aug 24, 2009 5:43:29am |
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JamesTKirk Mon, Aug 24, 2009 5:44:37am |
re: #16 Cannadian Club Akbar
Didn’t Dan Rather make fun of bloggers?
That was then. Now he’s raging about an invisible purple leopard named Roger who steals his cookies.
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JamesTKirk Mon, Aug 24, 2009 5:45:13am |
re: #20 Cannadian Club Akbar
Plus, you ever try to ride a bike while wearing heels?
Yes. Driving a stick is much harder.
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JamesTKirk Mon, Aug 24, 2009 5:46:38am |
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MikeAlv77 Mon, Aug 24, 2009 5:48:00am |
re: #46 nonic
Add polygamy.
Never understood that one.. It is the male fantasy to have multiple women sure… but all the time. I have one wife and that is enough for anyone… Enough trouble trying to figure that out let alone more than 1.
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JamesTKirk Mon, Aug 24, 2009 5:48:02am |
re: #46 nonic
Add polygamy.
“But that’s bigamy!”
“Yes, and it’s big o’ me, too. Let’s be big for a change.”
-Groucho
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JamesTKirk Mon, Aug 24, 2009 5:49:39am |
re: #47 MikeAlv77
Never understood that one.. It is the male fantasy to have multiple women sure… but all the time. I have one wife and that is enough for anyone… Enough trouble trying to figure that out let alone more than 1.
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Spenser (with an S) Mon, Aug 24, 2009 5:49:48am |
We had a local “Muslims are not scary, come and learn about us” conference in town put on by local mosques. One speaker didn’t get the right memo and his talk was a long refutation of Rushdie’s plea for muslims to keep islam in the “sphere of the personal”. This guy said that Islam is religion, govt., family life, finance, social and everything. All-encompassing.
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Salamantis Mon, Aug 24, 2009 5:51:50am |
Why is polygyny okay (a husband having more than one wife), while polyandry (a wife having more than one husband) isn’t?
I’d say that you oughtta be able to Paint Your Wagon in either direction, or neither. But not in one and not the other.
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MikeAlv77 Mon, Aug 24, 2009 5:52:00am |
re: #50 Spenser (with an S)
We had a local “Muslims are not scary, come and learn about us” conference in town put on by local mosques. One speaker didn’t get the right memo and his talk was a long refutation of Rushdie’s plea for muslims to keep islam in the “sphere of the personal”. This guy said that Islam is religion, govt., family life, finance, social and everything. All-encompassing.
oops… the “veil” dropped for a minute.
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JamesTKirk Mon, Aug 24, 2009 5:53:37am |
re: #50 Spenser (with an S)
We had a local “Muslims are not scary, come and learn about us” conference in town put on by local mosques. One speaker didn’t get the right memo and his talk was a long refutation of Rushdie’s plea for muslims to keep islam in the “sphere of the personal”. This guy said that Islam is religion, govt., family life, finance, social and everything. All-encompassing.
I’m sure his comments were just taken out of context.
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MikeAlv77 Mon, Aug 24, 2009 5:54:06am |
re: #51 Salamantis
Why is polygyny okay (a husband having more than one wife), while polyandry (a wife having more than one husband) isn’t?
I’d say that you oughtta be able to Paint Your Wagon in either direction, or neither. But not in one and not the other.
whats the term for a group of men and women marrying each other.. say 3 and 3 all want to get hitched?
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Salamantis Mon, Aug 24, 2009 5:54:17am |
re: #50 Spenser (with an S)
We had a local “Muslims are not scary, come and learn about us” conference in town put on by local mosques. One speaker didn’t get the right memo and his talk was a long refutation of Rushdie’s plea for muslims to keep islam in the “sphere of the personal”. This guy said that Islam is religion, govt., family life, finance, social and everything. All-encompassing.
I question the timing of this remark.
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Salamantis Mon, Aug 24, 2009 5:54:43am |
re: #54 MikeAlv77
whats the term for a group of men and women marrying each other.. say 3 and 3 all want to get hitched?
Polyfidelity.
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SasquatchOnSteroids Mon, Aug 24, 2009 5:55:00am |
re: #54 MikeAlv77
whats the term for a group of men and women marrying each other.. say 3 and 3 all want to get hitched?
Triple the misery.
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aboo-Hoo-Hoo Mon, Aug 24, 2009 5:55:09am |
re: #54 MikeAlv77
whats the term for a group of men and women marrying each other.. say 3 and 3 all want to get hitched?
Disaster.
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razorbacker Mon, Aug 24, 2009 5:55:11am |
When I went into the kitchen this A.M. for the first cuppa joe, I was informed that if I couldn’t manage a civil smile to welcome the day that I might as well go back to bed.
So I did.
Now I go into the kitchen to find a note:
“Sweetheart, Big Boy won’t come in the house this morning. See if you can find him and if anything is wrong.”
Wait a minute. Didn’t that bundle of flea-bitten fur come in about 2:30 when I went outside to look into the sky?
Sure enough, I look into the guest room and there he is, curled up on the pillow sound asleep.
I need to have a conversation with that boy about the dangers of ignoring the one who actually bothers to purchase the kitty food.
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MikeAlv77 Mon, Aug 24, 2009 5:55:18am |
re: #55 Salamantis
I question the timing of this remark.
That is not the imam I knew…
What does that remind me of a jedi mind trick..
These are not the terrorists you are looking for…
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opnion Mon, Aug 24, 2009 5:55:19am |
Good morning. The NYT sees things through a Western progressive prism.
Thay believe that everybody thinks alike in general.
That blinds them to an agressive ideology that is not seeking compromise.
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VioletTiger Mon, Aug 24, 2009 5:55:43am |
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JamesTKirk Mon, Aug 24, 2009 5:55:55am |
re: #54 MikeAlv77
whats the term for a group of men and women marrying each other.. say 3 and 3 all want to get hitched?
There are a few different terms, depending on the particulars. “Group marriage”, “line marriage”, and several others that you can find described in most Heinlein novels.
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SasquatchOnSteroids Mon, Aug 24, 2009 5:56:36am |
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JamesTKirk Mon, Aug 24, 2009 5:57:01am |
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, Aug 24, 2009 5:57:25am |
Solomon had a thousand wives
And that’s the reason why
He often missed the morning train
Kissin’ ‘em all goodbye…
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Spenser (with an S) Mon, Aug 24, 2009 5:57:40am |
re: #53 JamesTKirk
I’m sure his comments were just taken out of context.
Yep, the whole 3-hour rant. Funny thing is, this guy was a black American convert. There ‘s a whole lot more recent history of blacks being enslaved and mis-treated by Arab Muslims than by whites, isn’t there?
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JamesTKirk Mon, Aug 24, 2009 5:58:41am |
re: #67 Spenser (with an S)
Yep, the whole 3-hour rant. Funny thing is, this guy was a black American convert. There ‘s a whole lot more recent history of blacks being enslaved and mis-treated by Arab Muslims than by whites, isn’t there?
Not according to the history taught in schools, in the media, etc. Slavery never existed until the USA invented it, don’t you know, and we’re the only practitioners.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, Aug 24, 2009 5:58:42am |
“I am thinking of taking a fifth wife. Why not? Solomon had a thousand wives and he is a synonym for wisdom.”
-John Barrymore
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MikeAlv77 Mon, Aug 24, 2009 5:58:58am |
re: #67 Spenser (with an S)
Yep, the whole 3-hour rant. Funny thing is, this guy was a black American convert. There ‘s a whole lot more recent history of blacks being enslaved and mis-treated by Arab Muslims than by whites, isn’t there?
Recent and long term history. Its embedded in arabic. The arabic word for slave and black are the same. But don’t worry, its more egalitarian than us stupid westerners with our Judeo-Christain values…
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Salamantis Mon, Aug 24, 2009 5:59:05am |
re: #67 Spenser (with an S)
Yep, the whole 3-hour rant. Funny thing is, this guy was a black American convert. There ‘s a whole lot more recent history of blacks being enslaved and mis-treated by Arab Muslims than by whites, isn’t there?
Shhh! That’s not part of the politically approved narrative!
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filetandrelease Mon, Aug 24, 2009 6:00:08am |
OT
I always thought the Scotts were a tough breed, but it turns out the men there wear skirts for a reason, they are a bunch of wussies. There government may be in trouble, but after poring over a hundred or so comments from a Scottish rag, I could not find one, one mind you, that was against the release of al-Megrahi. Personally, my boycot of all things Scottish has begun. (Ummm, other that scotch and the occasional mutton, do we import anything else from these wussies?)
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JamesTKirk Mon, Aug 24, 2009 6:00:09am |
Colonel Mustard: How many husbands have you had?
Mrs. White: Mine, or other women’s?
—Clue
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JamesTKirk Mon, Aug 24, 2009 6:01:25am |
re: #72 filetandrelease
OT
I always thought the Scotts were a tough breed, but it turns out the men there wear skirts for a reason, they are a bunch of wussies. There government may be in trouble, but after poring over a hundred or so comments from a Scottish rag, I could not find one, one mind you, that was against the release of al-Megrahi. Personally, my boycot of all things Scottish has begun. (Ummm, other that scotch and the occasional mutton, do we import anything else from these wussies?)
See if I ever wear a skirt with no undies in public again!
//I just got deafened by that nationwide sign of relief…
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MikeAlv77 Mon, Aug 24, 2009 6:01:41am |
re: #73 JamesTKirk
Colonel Mustard: How many husbands have you had?
Mrs. White: Mine, or other women’s?—Clue
Now Kirk… being that you slept with more green women than most intergalactic space travelers, you should not talk…
///
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, Aug 24, 2009 6:02:27am |
re: #75 MikeAlv77
self delete. That was dirty, what I was thinking there…
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Salamantis Mon, Aug 24, 2009 6:02:51am |
re: #75 MikeAlv77
Now Kirk… being that you slept with more green women than most intergalactic space travelers, you should not talk…
///
Just doing his part for Deep Ecology…;~)
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JamesTKirk Mon, Aug 24, 2009 6:03:14am |
re: #72 filetandrelease
I could not find one, one mind you, that was against the release of al-Megrahi.
I personally think that someone should have blown up the plane he was on before it reached Libya. Would have been poetic justice.
We could have easily avoided any innocent casualties by making sure he was the only one on the plane – We’d just have to use one of those remote-controlled planes that Cheney piloted into the WTC on 9/11; they must have a few more of those lying around at Area 52…
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razorbacker Mon, Aug 24, 2009 6:03:15am |
re: #54 MikeAlv77
whats the term for a group of men and women marrying each other.. say 3 and 3 all want to get hitched?
Six Way Battle Royale! Today only! Come see the action!
You have to add the whole ‘Sunday, Sunday, Sunday’ voice in your head.
Perhaps it might be a consumation devoutly to be desired, but you need to choke off that whole jealously thing. Pretty much the human nature aspect, also, now that I think on it.
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Targetpractice Mon, Aug 24, 2009 6:03:45am |
re: #47 MikeAlv77
Never understood that one.. It is the male fantasy to have multiple women sure… but all the time. I have one wife and that is enough for anyone… Enough trouble trying to figure that out let alone more than 1.
It becomes easier when you just think of and treat them like glorified house pets.
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filetandrelease Mon, Aug 24, 2009 6:03:50am |
re: #74 JamesTKirk
See if I ever wear a skirt with no undies in public again!
//I just got deafened by that nationwide sign of relief…
LOL
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JamesTKirk Mon, Aug 24, 2009 6:03:58am |
re: #75 MikeAlv77
Now Kirk… being that you slept with more green women than most intergalactic space travelers, you should not talk…
///
I have never slept with a married woman except my own.
Even I have some standards. Somewhere.
I think they’re in a box in the basement…
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JamesTKirk Mon, Aug 24, 2009 6:05:12am |
re: #54 MikeAlv77
whats the term for a group of men and women marrying each other…
Seven brides for seven brothers?
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garycooper Mon, Aug 24, 2009 6:05:34am |
I think they underestimate the sneakiness…
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Canoe Train Mon, Aug 24, 2009 6:06:13am |
re: #33 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
No, but somehow, murdering a man because he wanted one to wear a wig somehow is, as is cutting off someone elses’s privates, or murdering someone because one felt that he had lied or cheated.
Note: None of these acts should be tolerated in the name of equality, or “empowerment,”or in the name of anything. If it is wrong to do this to a woman then it is wrong to do this to anyone.
/getting off of my soapbox
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jones Mon, Aug 24, 2009 6:06:22am |
re: #51 Salamantis
Polyandry was practiced somehwere in West Africa and somehwere in the Himalayas. I don’t remember the names of the peoples. The common thread was that men were often away at work for extended periods so they would cycle through the household. I think brothers sharing was a common theme.
Not sure if this still happens.
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MikeAlv77 Mon, Aug 24, 2009 6:06:52am |
re: #79 razorbacker
Six Way Battle Royale! Today only! Come see the action!
You have to add the whole ‘Sunday, Sunday, Sunday’ voice in your head.
Perhaps it might be a consumation devoutly to be desired, but you need to choke off that whole jealously thing. Pretty much the human nature aspect, also, now that I think on it.
I rememeber those commercials for Raceway Park in Englishtown, NJ…
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MikeAlv77 Mon, Aug 24, 2009 6:07:33am |
re: #80 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
It becomes easier when you just think of and treat them like glorified house pets.
Thanks for the feedback… of course some female lizard is gonna whack you for that one…
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Killian Bundy Mon, Aug 24, 2009 6:08:17am |
Alright, no Obama for a whole week!
/is it a well deserved vacation for Obama or a well deserved vacation from Obama for the American people?
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Targetpractice Mon, Aug 24, 2009 6:09:31am |
re: #88 MikeAlv77
Thanks for the feedback… of course some female lizard is gonna whack you for that one…
Eh, after the first dozen times, you don’t even feel it anymore.
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jones Mon, Aug 24, 2009 6:09:40am |
re: #54 MikeAlv77
whats the term for a group of men and women marrying each other.. say 3 and 3 all want to get hitched?
Group marriage.
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VioletTiger Mon, Aug 24, 2009 6:09:42am |
re: #90 Killian Bundy
I’m sure we will be ‘treated’ to every detail of his vacation.
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Targetpractice Mon, Aug 24, 2009 6:10:02am |
re: #90 Killian Bundy
Alright, no Obama for a whole week!
/is it a well deserved vacation for Obama or a well deserved vacation from Obama for the American people?
No Obama for a week? Dear God, man, however will we survive?!
Won’t someone think of the children?!?!
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JamesTKirk Mon, Aug 24, 2009 6:10:16am |
re: #92 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
Eh, after the first dozen times, you don’t even feel it anymore.
You even get to like it after a while.
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razorbacker Mon, Aug 24, 2009 6:10:39am |
Before youse guys jump off and gather up a handful of females to bed all at once might I recommend a simple test to see if you are ready?
Take your left hand and rub your tummy in a circular motion.
Now take your right hand and pat your head.
You need to be able to do that, before attempting the more advanced stunts.
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JamesTKirk Mon, Aug 24, 2009 6:11:20am |
re: #95 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
No Obama for a week? Dear God, man, however will we survive?!
Won’t someone think of the children?!?!
That’s why we have all of those Obama t-shirts, posters, action figures, bobble-headed dolls, and so forth to keep us from panicking at the emptiness of our lives when He must be elsewhere.
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garycooper Mon, Aug 24, 2009 6:11:50am |
Regarding that nephew of mine who works for Human Rights Watch in NYC…didja know that “Jews run everything in this country?” I asked this ultraliberal pup what I should make of the fact that his general position on Jews mirrors that of the ultrarighty/Stormfront contingent, and he scoffed it off as trivial. Argh.
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MikeAlv77 Mon, Aug 24, 2009 6:12:28am |
re: #99 garycooper
Regarding that nephew of mine who works for Human Rights Watch in NYC…didja know that “Jews run everything in this country?” I asked this ultraliberal pup what I should make of the fact that his general position on Jews mirrors that of the ultrarighty/Stormfront contingent, and he scoffed it off as trivial. Argh.
You can’t fix stupid
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JamesTKirk Mon, Aug 24, 2009 6:14:50am |
re: #93 jones
Group marriage.
It won’t be a stylish marriage
I can’t afford a carriage
But you’ll look sweet
On the seat
Of a bicycle built for twelve…
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FrogMarch Mon, Aug 24, 2009 6:16:20am |
I like people who think for themselves and aren’t afraid to piss off all sides.
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FrogMarch Mon, Aug 24, 2009 6:16:51am |
re: #99 garycooper
Regarding that nephew of mine who works for Human Rights Watch in NYC…didja know that “Jews run everything in this country?” I asked this ultraliberal pup what I should make of the fact that his general position on Jews mirrors that of the ultrarighty/Stormfront contingent, and he scoffed it off as trivial. Argh.
I’ve had similar experiences.
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JamesTKirk Mon, Aug 24, 2009 6:17:16am |
re: #54 MikeAlv77
whats the term for a group of men and women marrying each other.. say 3 and 3 all want to get hitched?
What if several men want to marry each other?
And they’re all Abraham Lincoln?
What do you call that?
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garycooper Mon, Aug 24, 2009 6:17:29am |
re: #97 razorbacker
Before youse guys jump off and gather up a handful of females to bed all at once might I recommend a simple test to see if you are ready?
Take your left hand and rub your tummy in a circular motion.
Now take your right hand and pat your head.
You need to be able to do that, before attempting the more advanced stunts.
I read a interview with Sir Paul McCartney once, where he said that the whole fantasy of three girls at once is way overrated. Said he and the other Beatles explored that one thorougly, on their early tours of America and Europe.
He’s a thorough moonbat, but I’m going to take his word on this one. Not that I expect to have the opportunity to prove him wrong anytime soon, or in this lifetime.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, Aug 24, 2009 6:19:24am |
re: #85 Canoe Train
Of course. I was speaking of the fact that LGF is “Feminist”.
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MikeAlv77 Mon, Aug 24, 2009 6:19:50am |
re: #106 garycooper
I read a interview with Sir Paul McCartney once, where he said that the whole fantasy of three girls at once is way overrated. Said he and the other Beatles explored that one thorougly, on their early tours of America and Europe.
He’s a thorough moonbat, but I’m going to take his word on this one. Not that I expect to have the opportunity to prove him wrong anytime soon, or in this lifetime.
How about just 2 girls at once. I think more research needs to be done. A government grant maybe?
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Salamantis Mon, Aug 24, 2009 6:20:46am |
re: #99 garycooper
Regarding that nephew of mine who works for Human Rights Watch in NYC…didja know that “Jews run everything in this country?” I asked this ultraliberal pup what I should make of the fact that his general position on Jews mirrors that of the ultrarighty/Stormfront contingent, and he scoffed it off as trivial. Argh.
At least cosmopolitan, progressive, sophisticated Europe has learned their bitter lesson and no longer indulges in such disgusting public spectacles!
Oh, wait…
[Link: pajamasmedia.com…]
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Servo Cicero Mon, Aug 24, 2009 6:21:59am |
If Charles is both extreme right, and extreme left, which side will escape the event horizon, and which side will be sucked into the singularity?
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garycooper Mon, Aug 24, 2009 6:23:41am |
re: #100 MikeAlv77
You can’t fix stupid
This is true. Except, this kid isn’t stupid, he’s just been misled and misinformed by an army of leftist profs at NYU, and now his pals at HRW, who are “proudly battling pro-Israel groups.” I asked him if he knew that American Jews vote overwhelmingly Democrat, and he also brushed that off as insignificant.
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garycooper Mon, Aug 24, 2009 6:24:24am |
re: #109 MikeAlv77
How about just 2 girls at once. I think more research needs to be done. A government grant maybe?
I’m down with that. Where do I sign up?
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razorbacker Mon, Aug 24, 2009 6:24:35am |
re: #106 garycooper
I read a interview with Sir Paul McCartney once, where he said that the whole fantasy of three girls at once is way overrated. Said he and the other Beatles explored that one thorougly, on their early tours of America and Europe.
He’s a thorough moonbat, but I’m going to take his word on this one. Not that I expect to have the opportunity to prove him wrong anytime soon, or in this lifetime.
From the male perspective, there is this:
You need the constitution of a teenager (able to rise to the call again immeadiately) or to enjoy the misery of priapism in order to achieve anything. Else you’re soon a disinterested onlooker, whilst the ladies amuse themselves.
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JamesTKirk Mon, Aug 24, 2009 6:24:41am |
re: #112 garycooper
This is true. Except, this kid isn’t stupid, he’s just been misled and misinformed by an army of leftist profs at NYU, and now his pals at HRW, who are “proudly battling pro-Israel groups.” I asked him if he knew that American Jews vote overwhelmingly Democrat, and he also brushed that off as insignificant.
Anything that disagrees with the historical dialectic is insignificant.
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MikeAlv77 Mon, Aug 24, 2009 6:25:22am |
re: #115 razorbacker
From the male perspective, there is this:
You need the constitution of a teenager (able to rise to the call again immeadiately) or to enjoy the misery of priapism in order to achieve anything. Else you’re soon a disinterested onlooker, whilst the ladies amuse themselves.
Well, If the two ladies are amusing themselves, I wouldn;t be a “disinterested” onlooker…
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JamesTKirk Mon, Aug 24, 2009 6:25:39am |
re: #115 razorbacker
From the male perspective, there is this:
You need the constitution of a teenager (able to rise to the call again immeadiately) or to enjoy the misery of priapism in order to achieve anything. Else you’re soon a disinterested onlooker, whilst the ladies amuse themselves.
I don’t understand the usage of “disinterested” in this context.
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Salamantis Mon, Aug 24, 2009 6:25:45am |
re: #109 MikeAlv77
How about just 2 girls at once. I think more research needs to be done. A government grant maybe?
What’s the grant for? To buy the cup?
/somebody hada say it…
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garycooper Mon, Aug 24, 2009 6:25:52am |
re: #111 Servo Cicero
If Charles is both extreme right, and extreme left, which side will escape the event horizon, and which side will be sucked into the singularity?
You do the math. Seriously, I get lost as soon as letters representing numbers enter into the formulas.
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haakondahl Mon, Aug 24, 2009 6:26:43am |
re: #99 garycooper
Regarding that nephew of mine who works for Human Rights Watch in NYC…didja know that “Jews run everything in this country?” I asked this ultraliberal pup what I should make of the fact that his general position on Jews mirrors that of the ultrarighty/Stormfront contingent, and he scoffed it off as trivial. Argh.
Better watch out, you fascist prick. You’ll be first against the wall.
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razorbacker Mon, Aug 24, 2009 6:27:31am |
re: #118 JamesTKirk
I don’t understand the usage of “disinterested” in this context.
Kinda like my nuetered male cat. He still fights, he just don’t know why, anymore.
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haakondahl Mon, Aug 24, 2009 6:27:33am |
re: #118 JamesTKirk
I don’t understand the usage of “disinterested” in this context.
I think that’s in a technical sense. Perhaps even biblical.
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garycooper Mon, Aug 24, 2009 6:28:08am |
re: #115 razorbacker
Perhaps Viagra would help in this area. I’ve never tried the stuff, but at age 50, it’s nice to know the scientists have been working on something useful for a change. There if you need it.
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lincolntf Mon, Aug 24, 2009 6:28:31am |
Morning all.
I see that the CFC plan is coming to a merciful halt tonight, having cost the taxpayers three times the original price. For a do-nothing Liberal program, that’s actually not so bad.
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haakondahl Mon, Aug 24, 2009 6:29:35am |
re: #125 garycooper
Perhaps Viagra would help in this area. I’ve never tried the stuff, but at age 50, it’s nice to know the scientists have been working on something useful for a change. There if you need it.
One gets the feeling that the scientists are a bunch of middle-aged men staring down the barrel of life after oh, say, fifty-five.
Or women.
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JamesTKirk Mon, Aug 24, 2009 6:29:47am |
re: #115 razorbacker
From the male perspective, there is this:
You need the constitution of a teenager (able to rise to the call again immeadiately) or to enjoy the misery of priapism in order to achieve anything. Else you’re soon a disinterested onlooker, whilst the ladies amuse themselves.
In any event, those are far from the only two options.
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Salamantis Mon, Aug 24, 2009 6:30:15am |
re: #126 lincolntf
Morning all.
I see that the CFC plan is coming to a merciful halt tonight, having cost the taxpayers three times the original price. For a do-nothing Liberal program, that’s actually not so bad.
Remember the good old days when CFC was an acronym for ChloroFluoroCarbon?
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Ghost of a Dopefish Mon, Aug 24, 2009 6:31:46am |
re: #129 Salamantis
Remember the good old days when CFC was an acronym for ChloroFluoroCarbon?
I originally thought that’s what it was. I was like, wait, what, they’re eliminating the environmental restrictions?! Sigh.
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garycooper Mon, Aug 24, 2009 6:31:51am |
re: #119 Salamantis
What’s the grant for? To buy the cup?
/somebody hada say it…
What’s the cup for? To guard against getting kneed in the yarbles, by an out-of-control vixen?
(somebody had to feign innocence)
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quickjustice Mon, Aug 24, 2009 6:31:54am |
Here in New York, being smeared by the New York Times is a red badge of courage. Congratulations, Charles! I know you have no party affiliation, but you now join the ranks of distinguished pundits and intellectuals (and there are many, including many friends of mine) who have earned the enmity of the N.Y. Times.
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haakondahl Mon, Aug 24, 2009 6:32:05am |
re: #129 Salamantis
Remember the good old days when CFC was an acronym for ChloroFluoroCarbon?
Combined Federal Campaign.
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Salamantis Mon, Aug 24, 2009 6:32:31am |
re: #115 razorbacker
From the male perspective, there is this:
You need the constitution of a teenager (able to rise to the call again immeadiately) or to enjoy the misery of priapism in order to achieve anything. Else you’re soon a disinterested onlooker, whilst the ladies amuse themselves.
There are several delightful ways to amuse oneself AND the ladies during one’s genital refractory period.
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Targetpractice Mon, Aug 24, 2009 6:32:41am |
re: #126 lincolntf
Morning all.
I see that the CFC plan is coming to a merciful halt tonight, having cost the taxpayers three times the original price. For a do-nothing Liberal program, that’s actually not so bad.
It is when they’re saying (IIRC) only 7% of claims filed have been fulfilled, with the suggestion hanging in the air that many dealerships may have to eat the cost due to overruns on the government side.
What’s worse, “foreign” automakers compromise the majority of the top ten new cars bought, while all those in the top ten “clunkers” category are all “domestic” models. If this plan was to be a backdoor stimulus to the Big Three, it failed in classic Obama style: SPECTACULARLY!
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razorbacker Mon, Aug 24, 2009 6:33:07am |
re: #117 MikeAlv77
Well, If the two ladies are amusing themselves, I wouldn;t be a “disinterested” onlooker…
When considering any grouping of odd numbers of male/female intercourse (absent some ‘star’ quality, of course. Absent the appeal of doing a President, or rock star, or something like that) you will soon notice that the primary appeal of the grouping is to enable some same-sex experimentation.
(Broad brush-strokes here. Careful you don’t get unfairly splattered)
The guy that ladies want to share their innermost thoughts with and the guy that ladies want to bang and the guy that ladies want to settle down and have kiddies with are most likely three different guys.
I don’t make the rules. I’ve just been around long enough to observe them in action.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Mon, Aug 24, 2009 6:33:16am |
I just spent 45 minutes on hold with a gubment office. Smooth I tell ya..
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Kenneth Mon, Aug 24, 2009 6:33:38am |
re: #99 garycooper
Regarding that nephew of mine who works for Human Rights Watch in NYC…didja know that “Jews run everything in this country?” I asked this ultraliberal pup what I should make of the fact that his general position on Jews mirrors that of the ultrarighty/Stormfront contingent, and he scoffed it off as trivial. Argh.
“All extremist ideologies meet at Jew-Hating Station, twice a day.” - Babbazee
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Ghost of a Dopefish Mon, Aug 24, 2009 6:33:40am |
re: #135 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
Not to mention the used-car salesmen are throwing screaming hissy fits because the supply has effectively dried up. Something to do with all those perfectly good used cars getting sold for scrap…
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wahabicorridor Mon, Aug 24, 2009 6:33:52am |
Um, what am I missing. This is the only reference to LGF I see
Hawkish sites that have taken up feminism include Little Green Footballs, Jihad Watch and Horowitz’s FrontPage Magazine.
So where’s the smear?
I’m not getting something…
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badger1970 Mon, Aug 24, 2009 6:34:03am |
I was going to say that only liberals believe in zero-sum economics. Being hated by the fringes on both wings doesn’t add up to a centralist, just means being hated by twice as many loonies. Arbitration?
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kcladderman Mon, Aug 24, 2009 6:34:36am |
From a friend, a little humor to start your day:
(10) Your annual breast exam is done at Hooters.
(9) Directions to your doctor’s office include “Take a left when you enter
the trailer park.”
(8) The tongue depressors taste faintly of Fudgesicles.
(7) The only proctologist in the plan is “Gus” from Roto-Rooter.
(6) The only item listed under Preventative Care Coverage is “an apple a
day.”
(5) Your primary care physician is wearing the pants you gave to goodwill
last month.
(4) “The patient is responsible for 200% of out-of-network charges,” is not
a typographical error.
(3) The only expense covered 100% is, “embalming.”
(2) Your Prozac comes in different colors with little M’s on them.
AND THE NUMBER ONE SIGN YOU’VE JOINED OBAMA’S HEALTH CARE PLAN
(1) You ask for Viagra, and they give you a Popsicle stick and duct tape
~McQ
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garycooper Mon, Aug 24, 2009 6:34:41am |
re: #122 haakondahl
Better watch out, you fascist prick. You’ll be first against the wall.
…wearing my Obama-as-Che t-shirt. Die with some style, I say.
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JamesTKirk Mon, Aug 24, 2009 6:35:27am |
re: #134 Salamantis
There are several delightful ways to amuse oneself AND the ladies during one’s genital refractory period.
Yep. There’s still fingers, tongues, etc. There are also ways to extend the usage life of the genitals as well (and not just those requiring blue pills). Seriously, razorbacker, if you don’t want to do it, fine, but don’t try scaring these other people away from trying it.
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3 wood Mon, Aug 24, 2009 6:36:21am |
By they way, I’ve been looking through the MSM for reports on Cindy Sheehan’s protest of Obama in Martha’s Vineyard. I found a few from last week talking about how she was going to go.
I might be missing something, but so far nada. There was actually a piece or two openly admitting that now that Obama is in office the left (i.e., the MSM) is not interested in Sheehan anymore.
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quickjustice Mon, Aug 24, 2009 6:36:56am |
re: #140 wahabicorridor
In the world of the metrosexual New York Times, “hawk” is a smear. And the context of the article— that anti-jihadi hawks are focusing on Muslim mistreatment of women to bolster their cause— also is considered a smear in the pro-Muslim extremist apologetics of the N.Y. Times.
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badger1970 Mon, Aug 24, 2009 6:37:11am |
re: #126 lincolntf
Nothing like paying for my neighbor’s car rebate when I need major repairs on a car that’s near 130k. Oh well.
For those that didn’t use the cfc, can we deduct $3500-4500 from our taxes? /
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haakondahl Mon, Aug 24, 2009 6:37:14am |
re: #134 Salamantis
There are several delightful ways to amuse oneself AND the ladies during one’s genital refractory period.
Sal, are you ALWAYS spelling out thing like this that A) don’t need spelling out, and B) could certainly have been phrased more delicately, or have I just come in at an inopportune time? I feel like I’ve come calling as you make your way from the shower to the towel room. Everytime I see you. Eww.
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JamesTKirk Mon, Aug 24, 2009 6:37:32am |
re: #145 3 wood
By they way, I’ve been looking through the MSM for reports on Cindy Sheehan’s protest of Obama in Martha’s Vineyard. I found a few from last week talking about how she was going to go.
I might be missing something, but so far nada. There was actually a piece or two openly admitting that now that Obama is in office the left (i.e., the MSM) is not interested in Sheehan anymore.
She was always an ignorant tool, to be cast aside when he usefulness was done. Everyone could see that except her.
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MandyManners Mon, Aug 24, 2009 6:38:19am |
re: #145 3 wood
By they way, I’ve been looking through the MSM for reports on Cindy Sheehan’s protest of Obama in Martha’s Vineyard. I found a few from last week talking about how she was going to go.
I might be missing something, but so far nada. There was actually a piece or two openly admitting that now that Obama is in office the left (i.e., the MSM) is not interested in Sheehan anymore.
Aren’t the MFM too busy reporting the Doggie Parade to Welcome Bo?
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Kenneth Mon, Aug 24, 2009 6:38:43am |
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garycooper Mon, Aug 24, 2009 6:38:47am |
re: #127 haakondahl
One gets the feeling that the scientists are a bunch of middle-aged men staring down the barrel of life after oh, say, fifty-five.
Or women.
Actually, Viagra was an accident, when the drug was being tested for use on an entirely different problem, I think high blood pressure. So, relaxing the veins allows for major woodies…whoda thunkit?
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haakondahl Mon, Aug 24, 2009 6:39:02am |
re: #136 razorbacker
The guy that ladies want to share their innermost thoughts with and the guy that ladies want to bang and the guy that ladies want to settle down and have kiddies with are most likely three different guys.
I don’t make the rules. I’ve just been around long enough to observe them in action.
In fact, those three don’t even know each other, and have few friends in common. Odds are that if your friends don’t get laid, then neither do you.
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badger1970 Mon, Aug 24, 2009 6:39:25am |
re: #149 JamesTKirk
It’s hard to give up that 15 min of fame victimization.
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MandyManners Mon, Aug 24, 2009 6:39:43am |
A sex thread on LGF on a Monday morning? What has the world come to?
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wahabicorridor Mon, Aug 24, 2009 6:39:50am |
re: #146 quickjustice
In the world of the metrosexual New York Times, “hawk” is a smear. And the context of the article— that anti-jihadi hawks are focusing on Muslim mistreatment of women to bolster their cause— also is considered a smear in the pro-Muslim extremist apologetics of the N.Y. Times.
oh. Well, I guess I’m just culturally stupid. I read it as a compliment.
Thanks for straightening me out.
off to the store…
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Targetpractice Mon, Aug 24, 2009 6:40:46am |
re: #155 MandyManners
A sex thread on LGF on a Monday morning? What has the world come to?
A climax?
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JamesTKirk Mon, Aug 24, 2009 6:40:52am |
re: #136 razorbacker
…you will soon notice that the primary appeal of the [MFF] grouping is to enable some same-sex experimentation.
I hope you’re not trying to make that sound like a bad thing. I had fond memories of an incident or two, which I’ll keep to myself to avoid shocking haakondahl.
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haakondahl Mon, Aug 24, 2009 6:41:30am |
re: #140 wahabicorridor
Um, what am I missing. This is the only reference to LGF I see
So where’s the smear?
I’m not getting something…
Under a broad in a miniskirt, if our feminist advisors are correct.
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razorbacker Mon, Aug 24, 2009 6:41:50am |
re: #144 JamesTKirk
Yep. There’s still fingers, tongues, etc. There are also ways to extend the usage life of the genitals as well (and not just those requiring blue pills). Seriously, razorbacker, if you don’t want to do it, fine, but don’t try scaring these other people away from trying it.
All I’m trying to do is warn you fellers. If you have ever experienced the “Oh, crap! I’m not ready to be finished yet” with one partner, imagine when it happens with the first of several partners.
| 161 |
garycooper Mon, Aug 24, 2009 6:41:52am |
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JamesTKirk Mon, Aug 24, 2009 6:42:06am |
re: #155 MandyManners
A sex thread on LGF on a Monday morning? What has the world come to?
You should be asking what we’ve come to.
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Salamantis Mon, Aug 24, 2009 6:42:21am |
re: #145 3 wood
By they way, I’ve been looking through the MSM for reports on Cindy Sheehan’s protest of Obama in Martha’s Vineyard. I found a few from last week talking about how she was going to go.
I might be missing something, but so far nada. There was actually a piece or two openly admitting that now that Obama is in office the left (i.e., the MSM) is not interested in Sheehan anymore.
Now that they’ve won the White House and the war belongs to Obama; their idiot is no longer useful; in fact, she’s proving to be downright counterproductive for them, since she refuses to switch tunes along with the rest of the Geek Chorus.
So she’s being booted out of the choir. So far to fall for one of their former lead Soprano hit-women.
The bloom is off Medea Benjamin’s rose as well.
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JamesTKirk Mon, Aug 24, 2009 6:43:26am |
re: #163 Salamantis
Now that they’ve won the White House and the war belongs to Obama; their idiot is no longer useful; in fact, she’s proving to be downright counterproductive for them, since she refuses to switch tunes along with the rest of the Geek Chorus.
So she’s being booted out of the choir. So far to fall for one of their former lead Soprano hit-women.
The bloom is off Medea Benjamin’s rose as well.
She got booted out a while ago, when she turned her attention from Bush to Pelosi.
| 165 |
lawhawk Mon, Aug 24, 2009 6:43:28am |
Greets and saluts from the NYC metro area. I picked up A Case For Big Government the other day and have gotten through the first 50+ pages and think that this book is a big seller among the Obama Administration given the way that it engages in more than a little revisionist history to claim that big government is the solution for all that ails America.
Meanwhile, this is the same big government that can’t even be bothered to nominate people to fill top policy slots throughout the Administration. This is no one’s fault but Obama. He is instead attempting an end run utilizing czars to set policy instead of positions that require confirmation.
That makes some sense for Obama since he’s repeatedly been burned by his awful vetting of candidates who have a nagging tendency to be tax cheats.
Of course, guys like Tom Daschle have found themselves at Obama’s beck and call anyways - as outside advisers.
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JamesTKirk Mon, Aug 24, 2009 6:43:44am |
| 167 |
3 wood Mon, Aug 24, 2009 6:43:47am |
OT: On the local radio this morning they interviewed the GM of a large local car dealer about the cash for clunkers program. He said they sold about 70 cars through that program, and have been paid by the government for exactly 3 of them so far. He said they had to scan in about 9 documents per deal, using the website that frequently would crash in mid submital.The words “train wreck” were used several times.
Just think about that, and then project that same government efficiency onto your health care.
| 168 |
garycooper Mon, Aug 24, 2009 6:45:02am |
| 169 |
Salamantis Mon, Aug 24, 2009 6:45:23am |
re: #148 haakondahl
Sal, are you ALWAYS spelling out thing like this that A) don’t need spelling out, and B) could certainly have been phrased more delicately, or have I just come in at an inopportune time? I feel like I’ve come calling as you make your way from the shower to the towel room. Everytime I see you. Eww.
I guess for some unfathomable reason you do not find James T Kirk’s #144 to be nearly as graphic.
Or perhaps it is because your outrage is conveniently selective.
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Targetpractice Mon, Aug 24, 2009 6:46:22am |
re: #145 3 wood
By they way, I’ve been looking through the MSM for reports on Cindy Sheehan’s protest of Obama in Martha’s Vineyard. I found a few from last week talking about how she was going to go.
I might be missing something, but so far nada. There was actually a piece or two openly admitting that now that Obama is in office the left (i.e., the MSM) is not interested in Sheehan anymore.
Nah, they don’t want to waste space on her that could go to pictures of Obama on vacation.
| 171 |
haakondahl Mon, Aug 24, 2009 6:46:25am |
re: #163 Salamantis
The bloom is off Medea Benjamin’s rose as well.
I’m sure they’ll find some event to trot her out in support of when they need to shore up support from the loon left. Uhh, two weeks after Congress re-assembles.
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MandyManners Mon, Aug 24, 2009 6:46:50am |
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FrogMarch Mon, Aug 24, 2009 6:47:10am |
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MandyManners Mon, Aug 24, 2009 6:47:39am |
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haakondahl Mon, Aug 24, 2009 6:48:41am |
re: #169 Salamantis
I guess for some unfathomable reason you do not find James T Kirk’s #144 to be nearly as graphic.
Or perhaps it is because your outrage is conveniently selective.
I let him off with a warning, as this is a first offense for him. You’ve done hard time for your pattern of misbehavior.
/
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garycooper Mon, Aug 24, 2009 6:49:16am |
re: #167 3 wood
OT: On the local radio this morning they interviewed the GM of a large local car dealer about the cash for clunkers program. He said they sold about 70 cars through that program, and have been paid by the government for exactly 3 of them so far. He said they had to scan in about 9 documents per deal, using the website that frequently would crash in mid submital.The words “train wreck” were used several times.
Just think about that, and then project that same government efficiency onto your health care.
God forbid the doc comes back with your checkup-results, and you find out you’re a clunker. You know what happens next!
(into the food-processor)
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Salamantis Mon, Aug 24, 2009 6:50:07am |
re: #175 haakondahl
I let him off with a warning, as this is a first offense for him. You’ve done hard time for your pattern of misbehavior.
/
Now that I’m nearly 54, the misbehaving times aren’t quite as hard any more.
/
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Targetpractice Mon, Aug 24, 2009 6:50:09am |
re: #167 3 wood
OT: On the local radio this morning they interviewed the GM of a large local car dealer about the cash for clunkers program. He said they sold about 70 cars through that program, and have been paid by the government for exactly 3 of them so far. He said they had to scan in about 9 documents per deal, using the website that frequently would crash in mid submital.The words “train wreck” were used several times.
Just think about that, and then project that same government efficiency onto your health care.
Even better, I’ve heard more than a few claims have been stamped “Return to Sender” by the Gov, some due to lack of proper documentation, others due to simple “not dotting every i, crossing every t” bullshit.
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MandyManners Mon, Aug 24, 2009 6:50:13am |
re: #165 lawhawk
Greets and saluts from the NYC metro area. I picked up A Case For Big Government the other day and have gotten through the first 50+ pages and think that this book is a big seller among the Obama Administration given the way that it engages in more than a little revisionist history to claim that big government is the solution for all that ails America.
Meanwhile, this is the same big government that can’t even be bothered to nominate people to fill top policy slots throughout the Administration. This is no one’s fault but Obama. He is instead attempting an end run utilizing czars to set policy instead of positions that require confirmation.
That makes some sense for Obama since he’s repeatedly been burned by his awful vetting of candidates who have a nagging tendency to be tax cheats.Of course, guys like Tom Daschle have found themselves at Obama’s beck and call anyways - as outside advisers.
And quite a few of those czars are way out there.
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Lincolntf Mon, Aug 24, 2009 6:50:29am |
re: #167 3 wood
I assume that most of the dealers will eventually get paid, but it wouldn’t surprise me a bit if it takes well into next year.
CFC will be considered a great success by Wee-Wee’s little groupies, but all I see is that we spent 3 billion dollars to kill a few hundred thousand internal combustion engines. Brilliant!
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Kenneth Mon, Aug 24, 2009 6:50:38am |
re: #152 garycooper
Actually, Viagra was an accident, when the drug was being tested for use on an entirely different problem, I think high blood pressure. So, relaxing the veins allows for major woodies…whoda thunkit?
Viagra was first prescribed to treat migraine headaches. After a while, they noticed a large number of patients complaining about a certain “side-effect”. A friend of mine suffers from migraines and everal years ago he was given a new drug to try. It fixed his migraines alright, and pleased his wife very much. For a while. Then she had to call it quits while my friend took a cold shower. He said he was in agony.
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haakondahl Mon, Aug 24, 2009 6:51:00am |
Scots Parliament questions NOW on CNN intl re: Lockerbie!!
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Targetpractice Mon, Aug 24, 2009 6:51:46am |
re: #176 garycooper
God forbid the doc comes back with your checkup-results, and you find out you’re a clunker. You know what happens next!
(into the food-processor)
Hey man, with the economy going as it is, we’re all gonna be munching on Soylent Green before too long.
| 184 |
FemNaziBitch Mon, Aug 24, 2009 6:51:50am |
Good Morning Lizards!
This is a drive-by post to wish you all
A GREAT DAY!
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Spenser (with an S) Mon, Aug 24, 2009 6:52:01am |
OT (well hardly, anymore) but we had a great time camping for the first time with all 4 kids this weekend. Has anyone here done GeoCaching? Kind of a treasure hunt with gps or compasses. My 10 yr. old daughter picked up a gps for the first time and read the various headings and marched us off into the woods on a 3-mile hike heading off-trail and up ridges and we found an ammo box filled with a journal and some little stuff that people leave and take when they find the box. I think she’s hooked.
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haakondahl Mon, Aug 24, 2009 6:52:27am |
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razorbacker Mon, Aug 24, 2009 6:52:53am |
re: #168 garycooper
Not yet. Keep going!
Sorry, Mandy. ;)
A feller that I knew, once upon a time, was able to delay climax for a long, long, long time. As long as no one placed their tongue on a certain area of the anatomy. His wife knew this, and when she got bored, or hungry, or just wanted to go home she’d lean over and lick him.
Got so damned bad that I just quit inviting her.
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JamesTKirk Mon, Aug 24, 2009 6:53:12am |
re: #175 haakondahl
I let him off with a warning, as this is a first offense for him. You’ve done hard time for your pattern of misbehavior.
/
First offense? Moi?
Care to comment on that, Mandy?
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Lincolntf Mon, Aug 24, 2009 6:53:25am |
re: #185 Spenser (with an S)
Haven’t tried it yet, but I’m going to some time soon. (As soon as I can convince wifey that it’s not a waste of time/energy.)
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JamesTKirk Mon, Aug 24, 2009 6:54:16am |
re: #183 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
Hey man, with the economy going as it is, we’re all gonna be munching on Soylent Green before too long.
Obama’s Health Care plan!
IT’S A COOKBOOK!!!
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SasquatchOnSteroids Mon, Aug 24, 2009 6:55:04am |
Still have my work clunker.
I am obligated to remain debt free and not spend your money.
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opnion Mon, Aug 24, 2009 6:55:11am |
The Obamas have asked that no pictures be taken of their daughters while on vacation without a parent present.
To me this seems like an odd request & if Bush had asked for that consideration , I don’t think that the press would have granted it.
I know that the Obama kids are juviniles, still it seems odd.
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Spenser (with an S) Mon, Aug 24, 2009 6:55:18am |
re: #179 MandyManners
He is instead attempting an end run utilizing czars to set policy instead of positions that require confirmation.
That makes some sense for Obama since he’s repeatedly been burned by his awful vetting of candidates who have a nagging tendency to be tax cheats.Of course, guys like Tom Daschle have found themselves at Obama’s beck and call anyways - as outside advisers.
And quite a few of those czars are way out there.
Since Ice is not here, I’m sure she wouldn’t mind if I told you that you are very wrong. These “czars” are simply advisers and have no policy-making power at all. You are paranoid and suspicious and a hater.
//
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Lincolntf Mon, Aug 24, 2009 6:56:08am |
“Required to show compassion?”
Then why have jails at all, Macaskill?
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JamesTKirk Mon, Aug 24, 2009 6:56:51am |
re: #192 opnion
The Obamas have asked that no pictures be taken of their daughters while on vacation without a parent present.
To me this seems like an odd request & if Bush had asked for that consideration , I don’t think that the press would have granted it.
I know that the Obama kids are juviniles, still it seems odd.
It’s not an odd request. All Democratic presidents are entitled to expect that their children be treated with courtesy and discretion.
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Spenser (with an S) Mon, Aug 24, 2009 6:56:53am |
re: #189 Lincolntf
Haven’t tried it yet, but I’m going to some time soon. (As soon as I can convince wifey that it’s not a waste of time/energy.)
My beautiful bride is not, how shall I say it… Outdoorsy. She had a great time, also.
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Targetpractice Mon, Aug 24, 2009 6:57:07am |
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LoquaciousLady Mon, Aug 24, 2009 6:57:25am |
re: #180 Lincolntf
I assume that most of the dealers will eventually get paid, but it wouldn’t surprise me a bit if it takes well into next year.
CFC will be considered a great success by Wee-Wee’s little groupies, but all I see is that we spent 3 billion dollars to kill a few hundred thousand internal combustion engines. Brilliant!
Just to replace a few hundred thousand internal combustion engines with new ones. Yeah, we’ve saved the planet!
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haakondahl Mon, Aug 24, 2009 6:57:28am |
Kenny Macaskill, Scottish Justice Secretary, the man who freed the Lockerbie bomber, says he acted under “the laws he inherited from previous governments”.
What is it with these people?
At least he stands by his stupidity. The only thing worse than an asshole is a lying asshole.
Gov’t in Scotland likely to come down over this. You heard it here first.
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MandyManners Mon, Aug 24, 2009 6:57:31am |
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Lynn B. Mon, Aug 24, 2009 6:57:43am |
Slightly off the point, but the author of that NYT piece (Virginia Heffernan) is clueless. Or sloppy. Or both.
In the late 1990s, an e-mail petition of unclear origin began to circulate. It was called “The Taliban Is Waging a War on Women!”
The origins of the Taliban chain letter petition are not remotely unclear. They’ve been documented all over the web and there isn’t any doubt or controversy about them.
The Taliban was no doubt guilty of serious human rights violations. Unfortunately, the author of this message overestimated the ability of e-petitions to effect change. Melissa Buckheit was not authorized by Brandeis University to send her petition and the school quickly shut down her account just days after her petition started due to the large volume of responses it generated.
See also, this, from Brandeis U.
And this, from Snopes.
Virginia Heffernan didn’t do her homework. “As a fan of intensely specific forms of communication,” she should know better.
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garycooper Mon, Aug 24, 2009 6:57:52am |
re: #181 Kenneth
Viagra was first prescribed to treat migraine headaches. After a while, they noticed a large number of patients complaining about a certain “side-effect”. A friend of mine suffers from migraines and everal years ago he was given a new drug to try. It fixed his migraines alright, and pleased his wife very much. For a while. Then she had to call it quits while my friend took a cold shower. He said he was in agony.
“Erections lasting longer than four hours”…yeah, that’s not a good thing.
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opnion Mon, Aug 24, 2009 6:58:02am |
re: #179 MandyManners
And quite a few of those czars are way out there.
Like the Science Czar that thinks that Eugenics is just, you know an option to consider?
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3 wood Mon, Aug 24, 2009 6:58:08am |
re: #180 Lincolntf
I assume that most of the dealers will eventually get paid, but it wouldn’t surprise me a bit if it takes well into next year.
CFC will be considered a great success by Wee-Wee’s little groupies, but all I see is that we spent 3 billion dollars to kill a few hundred thousand internal combustion engines. Brilliant!
Even if they are eventually paid, think about the finance costs. Take the example I gave, assume 67 of those deals are still outstanding. Assume and average of $3,000 per deal. That is $201,000 of cash that the dealer is out and hanging on. I don’t know a whole lot of car dealers right now who can be left hanging in $201,000 of cash flow and not be hurt by it. Plus the financing costs of that money.
Plus, what if the deal is ultimately not approved? The trade in was probably already destroyed, the new car has been driven and suffered depreciation. There’s no way to un-ring that bell.
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Killian Bundy Mon, Aug 24, 2009 6:58:35am |
re: #199 LoquaciousLady
Just to replace a few hundred thousand internal combustion engines with new ones. Yeah, we’ve saved
the planetUAW jobs!
/FTFY
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haakondahl Mon, Aug 24, 2009 6:58:54am |
re: #196 JamesTKirk
It’s not an odd request. All Democratic presidents are entitled to expect that their children be treated with courtesy and discretion.
Ding Fn Ding!
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Lincolntf Mon, Aug 24, 2009 6:59:05am |
re: #199 LoquaciousLady
I’m waiting for someone to show me that the CO2 levels have fallen all over the planet because of this oh-so vital program.
Oh wait, that would be kinda like measuring results, which is utterly verboten in Lefty land.
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MandyManners Mon, Aug 24, 2009 6:59:11am |
re: #193 Spenser (with an S)
Since Ice is not here, I’m sure she wouldn’t mind if I told you that you are very wrong. These “czars” are simply advisers and have no policy-making power at all. You are paranoid and suspicious and a hater.
//
This line of thought tickles me. If those folks have no role, why are they there?
Ezekiel Rahm is not a czar but, his role in the OMB certainly influences policy.
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opnion Mon, Aug 24, 2009 6:59:34am |
re: #196 JamesTKirk
It’s not an odd request. All Democratic presidents are entitled to expect that their children be treated with courtesy and discretion.
Silly me, I forgot.
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JamesTKirk Mon, Aug 24, 2009 6:59:39am |
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garycooper Mon, Aug 24, 2009 7:00:40am |
re: #183 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
Hey man, with the economy going as it is, we’re all gonna be munching on Soylent Green before too long.
Mmm…tastes just like chicken!
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Lincolntf Mon, Aug 24, 2009 7:01:04am |
He just basically said that he understands Americans don’t like the decision, but fuck them.
Go to hell, Macaskill, you useless little terrorist supporting scumbag.
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haakondahl Mon, Aug 24, 2009 7:01:17am |
re: #212 JamesTKirk
He’s an empath, too???
Uh-oh. I remember how you dealt with the last empath you encountered.
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LoquaciousLady Mon, Aug 24, 2009 7:01:27am |
re: #208 Lincolntf
I don’t know if it works, but I feel much better.
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JamesTKirk Mon, Aug 24, 2009 7:01:45am |
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MandyManners Mon, Aug 24, 2009 7:02:00am |
re: #195 garycooper
[Link: wattsupwiththat.com…]
Shocker!
The [carbon offset] market requires validators and verifiers all over the world. The system is already short personnel with these skills.
SNIP
Currently, validators and verifiers are paid by project developers.
Can you say “conflict of interest”?
I knew you could.
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JamesTKirk Mon, Aug 24, 2009 7:02:25am |
re: #215 haakondahl
Uh-oh. I remember how you dealt with the last empath you encountered.
Also how I dealt with the last six-foot-tall lizard.
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LoquaciousLady Mon, Aug 24, 2009 7:03:32am |
re: #218 MandyManners
The [carbon offset] market requires validators and verifiers all over the world. The system is already short personnel with these skills.
SNIP
Currently, validators and verifiers are paid by project developers.
Can you say “conflict of interest”?
I knew you could.
These jobs better pay six-figures or better or I’m not interested.
/
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JamesTKirk Mon, Aug 24, 2009 7:03:50am |
The Scots are all crazy now.
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realwest Mon, Aug 24, 2009 7:03:56am |
Good morning y’all - from a beautiful (72 degrees going up to 84 degrees) bright and sunny Charlotte!
I’m doing ok today and hope everyone else is doing AT LEAST as well!
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JamesTKirk Mon, Aug 24, 2009 7:04:36am |
re: #223 realwest
Good morning y’all - from a beautiful (72 degrees going up to 84 degrees) bright and sunny Charlotte!
I’m doing ok today and hope everyone else is doing AT LEAST as well!
I’m doing fine. Thanks to the other lizards, my perverted little mind is full of fun scenarios.
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Targetpractice Mon, Aug 24, 2009 7:04:56am |
re: #199 LoquaciousLady
Just to replace a few hundred thousand internal combustion engines with new ones. Yeah, we’ve saved the planet!
Of course, there’s no clue as to how much CO2 was pumped out killing all those “clunkers.”
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reine.de.tout Mon, Aug 24, 2009 7:05:03am |
re: #223 realwest
Good morning y’all - from a beautiful (72 degrees going up to 84 degrees) bright and sunny Charlotte!
I’m doing ok today and hope everyone else is doing AT LEAST as well!
Hiya, Realwest!
A beautiful 63 degree Baton Rouge this morning!
Lovely.
High of 89 they tell us.
And virtually no humidity.
Heavenly.
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realwest Mon, Aug 24, 2009 7:05:54am |
re: #225 JamesTKirk
Oh wait… That’s how my mind always is…
Crap! y’all took away my “snappy” response!
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UFO TOFU Mon, Aug 24, 2009 7:05:59am |
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Salamantis Mon, Aug 24, 2009 7:06:11am |
64 this morning in Pensacola, Florida, with a projected high of 85.
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garycooper Mon, Aug 24, 2009 7:06:27am |
re: #198 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
Oh shit, say it ain’t so!
///
Meanwhile, the ring leader remains at large. Very large.
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Targetpractice Mon, Aug 24, 2009 7:07:23am |
re: #232 garycooper
Meanwhile, the ring leader remains at large. Very large.
[Link: papundits.files.wordpress.com…]
*Bad Japanese accent* Look, it Godzilla!
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realwest Mon, Aug 24, 2009 7:07:44am |
re: #228 reine.de.tout
Good morning reine!! No humidity? Isn’t that against the law down there?!? Glad to hear you’re having a beautiful day though!
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JamesTKirk Mon, Aug 24, 2009 7:08:00am |
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Kenneth Mon, Aug 24, 2009 7:08:18am |
Good morning, realwest! Glad to hear you’re doing so well. I picked up “m” form summer camp on the weekend. She’s glad to be back in civilization!
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SasquatchOnSteroids Mon, Aug 24, 2009 7:08:21am |
re: #223 realwest
Morning real. Hope you had a lovely weekend.
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JamesTKirk Mon, Aug 24, 2009 7:08:34am |
re: #233 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
*Bad Japanese accent* Look, it Godzilla!
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realwest Mon, Aug 24, 2009 7:08:36am |
HEY Y’ALL - has anyone heard from or seen Aussiemagpie recently?!
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midwestgak Mon, Aug 24, 2009 7:09:01am |
re: #223 realwest
Good Morning {real}. All is well in this near western suburb of Chicago.
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realwest Mon, Aug 24, 2009 7:09:42am |
re: #231 Salamantis
Nice Sal! I love it when the days are hot or at least warm and the nights are just cool enough for good sleeping!
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VioletTiger Mon, Aug 24, 2009 7:10:04am |
re: #239 realwest
HEY Y’ALL - has anyone heard from or seen Aussiemagpie recently?!
Hi real.
Haven’t seen her in quite a while.
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garycooper Mon, Aug 24, 2009 7:10:11am |
re: #215 haakondahl
Uh-oh. I remember how you dealt with the last empath you encountered.
He hurt his feelings. :(
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Kosh's Shadow Mon, Aug 24, 2009 7:10:32am |
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midwestgak Mon, Aug 24, 2009 7:10:43am |
re: #228 reine.de.tout
Morning {reine}. Always good to see you here. :)
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MandyManners Mon, Aug 24, 2009 7:11:08am |
re: #204 opnion
Like the Science Czar that thinks that Eugenics is just, you know an option to consider?
His more recent thoughts trouble me more.
How much wealth redistribution would be sufficient? The authors favorably cited a proposal that “the rich nations devote 20 percent of their GNPs for ten or fifteen years to the task of population control and development of the poor countries.” They comment, “We believe an effort of this magnitude is not only justified but essential.” (p. 925). Reaffirming the goal in his 1995 Nobel speech, he stretched this to a program “sustained over several decades.” (Emphasis added.)
He detailed the mechanism for global socialism just two years ago. In a February 2007 report of which he was a coordinating lead author, urges the United Nations to undertake “a global framework” that is “more comprehensive and ambitious” than the Kyoto Protocol. Holdren states the UN must mandate “A requirement for the early establishment of a substantial price on carbon emissions in all countries, whether by a carbon tax or a tradable permit approach.” Although he prefers a global carbon tax presided over by a United Nations-strength IRS, he is open to a stringent global cap-and-trade program. However, that program must contain: “A means for transferring some of the revenue produced by carbon taxes upon, or permits purchased by, countries and consumers with high incomes and high per capita emissions to countries and consumers with low incomes and low per capita emissions” (pp. 70-72).
But the intervening years have not been pleasant ones for such as Holdren. In a 1995 article co-written with Paul Ehrlich, he lists among the factors preventing a “sustainable” world such “Underlying human frailties” as “Greed, selfishness, intolerance, and shortsightedness.” These, he expounds, “collectively have been elevated by conservative political doctrine and practice (above all in the United States in 1980 92) to the status of a credo.”
Holdren blasted his country last January before the AAAS as “the stingiest among all” wealthy nations in its development of the Third World, making us “the meanest of wealthy countries.” He summed up his view of the U.S. budget by favorably quoting Robert Kates: “Too much for warfare, too little for welfare.”
The function of such welfare is twofold: to enrich citizens of the Global South and to impoverish Americans for their own good. In a 2006 paper, Holdren noted that reducing “GDP per person” — that is, cutting your personal wealth — also reduces Greenhouse Gas emissions. True, it is “not a lever that most people would want to use to reduce emissions”; “People are not getting rich as fast as they think, however, if GDP growth is being achieved at the expense of the environmental underpinnings of well-being” (pp. 15-16).
With a values system like this, it should come as little surprise that Holdren is frequently mistaken about his alleged field of specialization, environmental science — often tremendously so. As with Ehrlich, he has been predicting global catastrophes since the 1970s, beginning with the global cooling scare. Modern critics have noted his role in Paul Ehrlich’s famous wager with Julian Simon: Holdren chose five metals that he believed would be more expensive in ten years’ time due to scarcity, while Simon predicted each would be less expensive. A decade hence, Ehrlich’s group was $1,000 poorer (a chance to reduce their carbon footprint, perhaps). Holdren advised Al Gore on An Inconvenient Truth, a film that by one scholar’s count contained 10 pages of falsehoods, exaggerations, distortions, and ignored evidence.
SNIP
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blangwort Mon, Aug 24, 2009 7:11:10am |
Just a wee bit of criticism:
Being bad-mouthed by someone on the right and someone on the left doesn’t make you a centrist. It could also mean you’re a wide eyed fanatic.
Now, I happen to think that LGF is a reasonably centrist site. But I think that because the views strike me as centrist. Am I a centrist? I don’t know for sure. The only way to judge me is by the views of my peers. I feel right of some and left of some.
Does that make me a better person? No. The reason I’m a centrist is not because I aim to be that way, but because I seek truth, no matter where I find it. I am not a party animal. I have never joined a fraternity, and I really don’t care what other people think.
What disgusts me is the sheer number of people who think it’s too much trouble to worry about this, and who will merrily follow along, no matter what the party says. That’s how totalitarian regimes take root in a democracy.
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realwest Mon, Aug 24, 2009 7:11:25am |
re: #236 Kenneth
Hey Kenneth - good to see you and I’ll bet she’s not the only one to be happy that camp’s over for the year!
I don’t even have to ask how you’re doing!
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Kosh's Shadow Mon, Aug 24, 2009 7:11:49am |
re: #242 VioletTiger
This reminds me, I haven’t seen loppyd or Cape Coddah here for a long time, either.
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reine.de.tout Mon, Aug 24, 2009 7:11:58am |
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opnion Mon, Aug 24, 2009 7:12:08am |
re: #240 midwestgak
Good Morning {real}. All is well in this near western suburb of Chicago.
Somewhere people are laughing & somewhere chlldren shout, but there is no joy in Wgileyville, because the Cubs are eight games out.
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haakondahl Mon, Aug 24, 2009 7:12:09am |
Didn’t Greece burn last year as well?
Idiots. Everybody knows you don’t use water on a Greece fire.
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JamesTKirk Mon, Aug 24, 2009 7:12:41am |
re: #244 Kosh’s Shadow
Now? They eat haggis!
My wife tried that recently and actually liked it.
Seems she’ll put anything in her mouth.
Not that I’m complaining.
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realwest Mon, Aug 24, 2009 7:12:46am |
re: #237 SasquatchOnSteroids Hi there Saquatch! I had a good weekend - didn’t do much of anything which, in my book, is doing pretty well!
How was your weekend and how are you doing today?
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LoquaciousLady Mon, Aug 24, 2009 7:12:49am |
I thought that Bridgett Bardot was a crazy loon. Maybe Hotspur forgot to look up her other political assertions before criticizing Charles? (Or maybe he just wanted to find something to criticize Charles for without seeming more loony?)
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reine.de.tout Mon, Aug 24, 2009 7:13:25am |
re: #251 opnion
Somewhere people are laughing & somewhere chlldren shout, but there is no joy in Wgileyville, because the Cubs are eight games out.
How do you pronounce this “wgileyville”?
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midwestgak Mon, Aug 24, 2009 7:13:30am |
re: #251 opnion
Somewhere people are laughing & somewhere chlldren shout, but there is no joy in Wgileyville, because the Cubs are eight games out.
Maybe that will change now that they have a new owner. Ya, right. Well I can dream.
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Daria Emmons Mon, Aug 24, 2009 7:13:31am |
Huh? LGF was not ‘smeared’ by the NYT. It was called a ‘feminist hawk’ site. How exactly is that a ‘smear’? It’s actually a compliment!
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JamesTKirk Mon, Aug 24, 2009 7:13:34am |
re: #252 haakondahl
Didn’t Greece burn last year as well?
Idiots. Everybody knows you don’t use water on a Greece fire.
Bunch of Turkeys.
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Kosh's Shadow Mon, Aug 24, 2009 7:14:06am |
re: #246 MandyManners
So how much does Holdren donate to third world countries? If the US isn’t taking his money and giving it to them, they’re not stopping him from donating.
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realwest Mon, Aug 24, 2009 7:14:31am |
re: #240 midwestgak
Hi ya {gak} - I’m glad to hear that! But some idiot with his car alarm (which just started going off) is in for an unpleasant day if he doesn’t…ah,
nevermind!
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Salamantis Mon, Aug 24, 2009 7:14:37am |
re: #246 MandyManners
Zombie dug up these ‘70’s era comments from our esteemed czar Holdren:
[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com…]
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Kosh's Shadow Mon, Aug 24, 2009 7:15:03am |
re: #253 JamesTKirk
My wife tried that recently and actually liked it.
Seems she’ll put anything in her mouth.
Not that I’m complaining.
Mandy on the job in 3…2…1
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haakondahl Mon, Aug 24, 2009 7:15:04am |
re: #260 JamesTKirk
Bunch of Turkeys.
Well, between Turkey and flaming Greece, the Turkey usually gets crisped.
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haakondahl Mon, Aug 24, 2009 7:15:28am |
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Kosh's Shadow Mon, Aug 24, 2009 7:15:40am |
re: #257 midwestgak
Maybe that will change now that they have a new owner. Ya, right. Well I can dream.
It worked for the Red Sox.
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Daria Emmons Mon, Aug 24, 2009 7:15:48am |
I think Charles considers what the NYt to be a ‘smear’ only because LGF was placed in the same sentence with Jihad Watch. But on its own terms, it was no ‘smear’ and nowhere in the article was LGF called a ‘far right’ site at all.
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BlueCanuck Mon, Aug 24, 2009 7:15:48am |
re: #246 MandyManners
A lot of that thought and philosophy is very troubling.
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MandyManners Mon, Aug 24, 2009 7:15:51am |
re: #246 MandyManners
And there is the little matter of his prediction a billion people will die within the next 11 years.
Paul Ehrlich recorded that in 1986 Holdren predicted “carbon dioxide-induced famines could kill as many as a billion people before the year 2020.” Holdren reiterated this view in Newsweek just two years ago. When he faced Senate questioning this February 12, only one man, Sen. David Vitter, R-LA, dared to ask him about his failed predictions. The Washington Post reported Holdren’s response as a brilliant riposte, artfully parrying the query. On the contrary, the transcript shows Holdren actually reaffirmed that he still believes one billion people may die within the next 11 years from a climate-related drought:
Vitter: So you would stick to that statement?
Holdren: I don’t think it’s likely. I think we should invest effort - considerable effort - to reduce the likelihood further.
Vitter: So you would stick to the statement that it could happen?
Holdren: It could happen, and …
Vitter: One billion by 2020?
Holdren: It could.
Vitter managed to show Holdren was wrong on yet another front: just two years ago, he wrote that current emissions levels could cause the a 13-foot rise in sea levels. Under cross-examination, Holdren admitted science’s most dire estimates are now half as much as Holdren pronounced just two years ago. Yet this “expert” will have the ear of the president in setting scientific policy.
Criticizing Holdren = “Crimes Against Humanity”?
Holdren reacts to correction the way a rattlesnake reacts to sudden movement: with velocity and venom. As long ago as the early 1970s, he and Paul Ehrlich engaged in a campaign to silence fellow radical Barry Commoner, a onetime fringe presidential candidate, because the latter viewed technology as more damaging than overpopulation. More recently, he co-authored a scathing, 11-page attack against Bjorn Lomborg for having the temerity to question Green-Left orthodoxy. Yet that pales in comparison to his view of some global warming “deniers.”
Last July 3, as an advisor to the Obama campaign, Holdren appeared on the radical program “Democracy Now!” hosted by Amy Goodman. Goodman asked him about comments made by his friend Dr. James Hansen (see above). Specifically, Hansen said, “large energy companies are guilty of crimes against humanity, if they continue to dispute what is understood scientifically and to fund contrarians, and if they push us past tipping points that end up destroying many species on the planet and having a huge impact on humanity itself.” Goodman asked Holdren if he agreed “the CEOs of large energy companies are guilty of, should be tried for crimes against humanity?”
Holdren replied: “I couldn’t really say. I’m not qualified to assess what the heads of oil companies, past or present, have done in this domain. My understanding is that Exxon, in particular, did fund a variety of small think tanks to generate what amounts to propaganda against understanding of what climate change was doing, the human role in causing it. Whether that sort of activity really constitutes crimes against humanity is something for people more embedded in the legal system than I to judge.” He went on to say heads of oil companies now were more “enlightened” on carbon emissions, so “I guess I would find the statement that all oil company CEOs, past and present, are guilty of crimes against humanity is maybe a little bit over the top.”
In other words, he hedged his bets, pleaded that he was not a legal scholar, but still held out that at least some of the CEOs may well be guilty of crimes against humanity. His reply to whether American citizens should be tried for a capital offense because they exercised their First Amendment rights to disagree with him was a firm maybe.
SNIP
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Kosh's Shadow Mon, Aug 24, 2009 7:15:53am |
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Kosh's Shadow Mon, Aug 24, 2009 7:16:20am |
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realwest Mon, Aug 24, 2009 7:16:22am |
re: #242 VioletTiger
Hi {VioletTiger} - nor have I, and she isn’t responding to my e-mails, either.
Sure hope she’s ok.
Meanwhile, how are you doing today? Well I hope!
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LoquaciousLady Mon, Aug 24, 2009 7:16:37am |
re: #261 Kosh’s Shadow
So how much does Holdren donate to third world countries? If the US isn’t taking his money and giving it to them, they’re not stopping him from donating.
We don’t need individual countries donating out the goodness of their heart, we need to create a global nation welfare system. That way will win the global war on nation poverty.
/
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Targetpractice Mon, Aug 24, 2009 7:16:52am |
Well, that didn’t take long…
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lawhawk Mon, Aug 24, 2009 7:17:06am |
re: #252 haakondahl
2007 was the last major wildfire outbreak, and dozens of people died in those fires, many of which were the result of arson.
The Greek government still lacks the capacity to fight wildfires even though they are an annual event - lacking the firefighting aircraft and helicopters necessary to protect communities in densely wooded areas around the country.
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sattv4u2 Mon, Aug 24, 2009 7:17:14am |
re: #263 Salamantis
Zombie dug up these ‘70’s era comments from our esteemed czar Holdren:
[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com…]
But he was only a young man in his 30’s back in the 70’s. He can’t be held accountale for what he said some 30 plus years ago!
Channeling Reverend Wright
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JamesTKirk Mon, Aug 24, 2009 7:17:14am |
re: #265 haakondahl
Well, between Turkey and flaming Greece, the Turkey usually gets crisped.
Between Turkey and Greece are a bunch of Cretins.
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opnion Mon, Aug 24, 2009 7:17:35am |
re: #246 MandyManners
Oh this guy is swell, where ever does Obama fight such enlightened types?
Notice , like Michelle he finds America a mean country.
People can over generalize about the ‘Kook” fringe outside of Town Halls being representative ( I don’t buy that”, but the Lefty kooks are now the government.
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SasquatchOnSteroids Mon, Aug 24, 2009 7:17:39am |
re: #254 realwest
Same here. Rained virtually all weekend. ack.
Been meaning to ask about ping,also. Haven’t seen him around in a while.
Any update you have would be appreciated.
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garycooper Mon, Aug 24, 2009 7:17:41am |
re: #226 kcladderman
My grandfather was a Buffalo fireman, who was burnt very badly fighting a fire in the days before they knew how to treat burn-victims. Spent his “retirement” in a lot of pain, alleviated only somewhat by strong drink.
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razorbacker Mon, Aug 24, 2009 7:17:53am |
Well, that’s my time for this day.
Have to stir about and look useful, as well as ornamental.
But for those unable to suss out the general tone of the world, let me give you a hint:
All troubles anywhere in the known universe are well-known to be the responsibility of the United States of America.
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haakondahl Mon, Aug 24, 2009 7:17:57am |
President Obama has just commissioned an elite group of interrogators?
[cue Monty Python Spanish Inquisition scene]
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sattv4u2 Mon, Aug 24, 2009 7:18:05am |
re: #265 haakondahl
Well, between Turkey and flaming Greece, the Turkey usually gets crisped.
Thats why I always put in on China!
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Kosh's Shadow Mon, Aug 24, 2009 7:18:17am |
re: #274 LoquaciousLady
We don’t need individual countries donating out the goodness of their heart, we need to create a global nation welfare system. That way will win the global war on nation
povertywealth.
/
FTFY - that’s what their war is really on
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opnion Mon, Aug 24, 2009 7:18:27am |
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reine.de.tout Mon, Aug 24, 2009 7:18:33am |
re: #273 realwest
Hi {VioletTiger} - nor have I, and she isn’t responding to my e-mails, either.
Sure hope she’s ok.
Meanwhile, how are you doing today? Well I hope!
AussieMagpie is OK apparently - there is regular activity on her facebook page.
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Salamantis Mon, Aug 24, 2009 7:18:35am |
re: #283 haakondahl
President Obama has just commissioned an elite group of interrogators?
[cue Monty Python Spanish Inquisition scene]
Oh Noes! Not the Comfy Chair!
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Targetpractice Mon, Aug 24, 2009 7:18:56am |
re: #283 haakondahl
President Obama has just commissioned an elite group of interrogators?
[cue Monty Python Spanish Inquisition scene]
Considering his record so far, that might actually be a step up for Obama.
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reine.de.tout Mon, Aug 24, 2009 7:19:10am |
re: #287 reine.de.tout
AussieMagpie is OK apparently - there is regular activity on her facebook page.
ditto capecoddah.
Just busy, I guess.
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haakondahl Mon, Aug 24, 2009 7:19:25am |
HVDIG
“High Value Detainee Interrogation Group” CNN anchor says this sounds scary, “Orwellian”
Holy Cow!
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sattv4u2 Mon, Aug 24, 2009 7:19:40am |
re: #281 garycooper
My grandfather was a Buffalo fireman, who was burnt very badly fighting a fire in the days before they knew how to treat burn-victims. Spent his “retirement” in a lot of pain, alleviated only somewhat by strong drink.
I didn’t know Buffaloes caught on fire often. Do elks also?
(sorry about your grandads pain, btw,,, but the ‘joke” was just too delicious to pass on)
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haakondahl Mon, Aug 24, 2009 7:20:02am |
CNN better be careful, or they’ll be next on the wheel.
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JamesTKirk Mon, Aug 24, 2009 7:20:47am |
re: #275 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
Well, that didn’t take long…
I don’t think I can boycott Scotland, because I don’t think they’re getting any of my money now as it is. Was this a Scottish decision or a UK decision, releasing the dickwad?
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realwest Mon, Aug 24, 2009 7:20:56am |
re: #246 MandyManners
Good morning Mandy and good post! Isn’t he the dumbshit that zombie did that long, killer, extremely well researched bit about on zomblog, which zombie was kind enough to share with us?!
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opnion Mon, Aug 24, 2009 7:20:57am |
re: #257 midwestgak
Maybe that will change now that they have a new owner. Ya, right. Well I can dream.
They need to sit Soriano for openers. In the interest of full disclosure, I am a Sox fan, but I don’t hate the Cubs.
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Kosh's Shadow Mon, Aug 24, 2009 7:21:10am |
re: #283 haakondahl
President Obama has just commissioned an elite group of interrogators?
[cue Monty Python Spanish Inquisition scene]
Will they allow the Comfy Chair, or will it be considered torture?
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Salamantis Mon, Aug 24, 2009 7:21:11am |
re: #294 haakondahl
CNN better be careful, or they’ll be next on the wheel.
Rack ‘em, sack ‘em and stack ‘em!
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JamesTKirk Mon, Aug 24, 2009 7:21:49am |
re: #265 haakondahl
Well, between Turkey and flaming Greece, the Turkey usually gets crisped.
Oh my God! They killed Kenya! You bastards!
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realwest Mon, Aug 24, 2009 7:22:05am |
re: #249 Kosh’s Shadow
Um, I think loppyd got banned. Don’t know about Cape Coddah.
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Occasional Reader Mon, Aug 24, 2009 7:22:33am |
Howdy, and good morning/afternoon/evening, as the case may be.
On the thread topic; I find the NYT writer’s perspective pretty comical (haven’t looked at the other link yet). See, the “original”, “feminist” complainaints about the condition of women in Afghanistan are notable for their most noble characteristic; they weren’t actually in favor of DOING anything about it. Well, other than petitioning the UN to issue some sort of pro forma “deeply concerned” statement, before turning back to its core mission of slandering Israel.
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midwestgak Mon, Aug 24, 2009 7:22:44am |
re: #262 realwest
Hi ya {gak} - I’m glad to hear that! But some idiot with his car alarm (which just started going off) is in for an unpleasant day if he doesn’t…ah,
nevermind!
Very annoying. Maybe the owner will shut it off before they have to deal with your ire. Big Bad real. Big real.
(take off of the song Big Bad John - if it wasn’t obvious).
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Kosh's Shadow Mon, Aug 24, 2009 7:22:45am |
re: #301 realwest
Um, I think loppyd got banned. Don’t know about Cape Coddah.
Any way of saying why?
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JamesTKirk Mon, Aug 24, 2009 7:22:47am |
re: #293 sattv4u2
I didn’t know Buffaloes caught on fire often.
How do you think their wings get so hot and crispy?
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Lincolntf Mon, Aug 24, 2009 7:23:01am |
re: #295 JamesTKirk
They’re sort of tossing the blame-ball back and forth, but Megrahi could not have been released without the Scottish Justice Minister’s okay. He had the final word. Most people assume (in fact I think there’s proof now) that Gordon Brown was the real architect of the deal, so the UK as a whole is cetainly not blameless.
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Targetpractice Mon, Aug 24, 2009 7:23:13am |
re: #295 JamesTKirk
I don’t think I can boycott Scotland, because I don’t think they’re getting any of my money now as it is. Was this a Scottish decision or a UK decision, releasing the dickwad?
My understanding is the British gov’t washed their hands of the whole thing and allowed the Scottish gov’t free reign on the matter. So, really, they’re both at fault.
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Kosh's Shadow Mon, Aug 24, 2009 7:23:49am |
re: #307 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
My understanding is the British gov’t washed their hands of the whole thing and allowed the Scottish gov’t free reign on the matter. So, really, they’re both at fault.
Gordon “Pontius” Brown?
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garycooper Mon, Aug 24, 2009 7:24:29am |
re: #246 MandyManners
Once you buy into the AGW-myth, it begins to make sense that every effort should be made to stop our planet’s slide into the great heat-sink of extinction. Even though the extinction of humans and most other mammals would clear the field for the rise to power of the next species, maybe some kind of fish, which you would think would be a positive development in the minds of these human-haters…
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JamesTKirk Mon, Aug 24, 2009 7:24:43am |
re: #307 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
My understanding is the British gov’t washed their hands of the whole thing and allowed the Scottish gov’t free reign on the matter. So, really, they’re both at fault.
Good thing I’m not paying them any money to watch Doctor Who.
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garycooper Mon, Aug 24, 2009 7:25:31am |
re: #282 razorbacker
Well, that’s my time for this day.
Have to stir about and look useful, as well as ornamental.
But for those unable to suss out the general tone of the world, let me give you a hint:
Point taken. Cya!
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Cannadian Club Akbar Mon, Aug 24, 2009 7:25:39am |
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Targetpractice Mon, Aug 24, 2009 7:25:42am |
re: #308 Kosh’s Shadow
Gordon “Pontius” Brown?
Sounds like it. And it seems oil contracts were the 30 pieces of silver.
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haakondahl Mon, Aug 24, 2009 7:26:19am |
Looks like CNN pulled a 60 Minutes, and shamed Indonesia into NOT caning that one woman who had [gasp!] a beer.
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redstateredneck Mon, Aug 24, 2009 7:26:23am |
Good Morning, y’all. Busy, busy at work this a.m. Just wanted to check in so there would not be any speculation about my being banned.
I can still get in.
:-)
I was lurking earlier, but it looked like a “guy thread”.
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VioletTiger Mon, Aug 24, 2009 7:26:32am |
re: #246 MandyManners
Redistribution of wealth - the global edition.
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midwestgak Mon, Aug 24, 2009 7:26:34am |
re: #297 opnion
In the interest of full disclosure, I am a Sox fan, but I don’t hate the Cubs.
Ditto, but vice versa.
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Occasional Reader Mon, Aug 24, 2009 7:26:37am |
re: #281 garycooper
My grandfather was a Buffalo fireman, who was burnt very badly fighting a fire in the days before they knew how to treat burn-victims. Spent his “retirement” in a lot of pain, alleviated only somewhat by strong drink.
Wow… we have something in common. My paternal grandfather (and his father, and his father before him) were all firemen in Buffalo. (My dad broke the chain by becoming a financial analyst.) He (my granddad) died before I was born; he was the watch commander during a fire at a chemical factory, and the count of the firemen coming out of the building didn’t add up. He went in to find the guy… without a respirator (there weren’t enough). Turned out, the count was screwed up, everyone was out. A few days later, he started coughing up blood. He was dead within a few months. He taught my Dad how to be a man; and I think he did a damn fine job of it.
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Occasional Reader Mon, Aug 24, 2009 7:27:47am |
re: #308 Kosh’s Shadow
Gordon “Pontius” Brown?
His excuse is that he was at his Pilates class at the time.
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opnion Mon, Aug 24, 2009 7:28:04am |
re: #314 haakondahl
Looks like CNN pulled a 60 Minutes, and shamed Indonesia into NOT caning that one woman who had [gasp!] a beer.
I heard on the news this morning that the caning is delayed until after Ramadan. Is now off alltogether?
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Kosh's Shadow Mon, Aug 24, 2009 7:28:39am |
re: #310 JamesTKirk
Good thing I’m not paying them any money to watch Doctor Who.
I haven’t seen it on in a while, and I’ve deferred buying the DVDs. (Some of the old shows, actually)
Now, I wish I were considering a car in the class of a Volvo or Saab, just so I could tell the dealers that I’m not buying anything from Sweden because they think accusing Israel of harvesting organs is just fine.
BTW, the editor of Aftonbladet has said he has no evidence but published the article anyway, to stir debate and an investigation.
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sattv4u2 Mon, Aug 24, 2009 7:28:56am |
re: #319 Occasional Reader
His excuse is that he was at his Pilates class at the time.
Christ! I don’t beleive you typed that!
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opnion Mon, Aug 24, 2009 7:29:13am |
re: #317 midwestgak
In the interest of full disclosure, I am a Sox fan, but I don’t hate the Cubs.
Ditto, but vice versa.
It’s lonley being a White Sox fan, it’s kinda just me & a couple of other guys.
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realwest Mon, Aug 24, 2009 7:29:26am |
re: #280 SasquatchOnSteroids I e-mailed ping yesterday but haven’t heard back yet. I’m pretty sure the chemo treatments keep him pretty well worn out. He also said something about having more difficulty seeing, so I offered the helpful advice that he should get a MUCH bigger screen monitor. Given the expenses thereof, ping treated my suggestion much more kindly than I would have if he had made it to me!
I just pray for him every night, nothing else I can do about it. I have been able to help about 5 or 6 LGFer’s who either have just been diagnosed with Prostate Cancer or have a loved one who was, but there isn’t much I can do to help him out.
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sattv4u2 Mon, Aug 24, 2009 7:29:37am |
re: #321 haakondahl
OOPS! Malaysia, not Indonesia.
Difference?
Only the spelling
And the geography
And the people ,,,
And ,,, well,, you get the point!
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garycooper Mon, Aug 24, 2009 7:30:02am |
re: #293 sattv4u2
I didn’t know Buffaloes caught on fire often. Do elks also?
(sorry about your grandads pain, btw,,, but the ‘joke” was just too delicious to pass on)
Hey, nothing should get in the way of making a joke. Plus, it’s not like it’s “too soon.” Grandpa’s been dead for forty years.
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Honorary Yooper Mon, Aug 24, 2009 7:30:09am |
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laZardo Mon, Aug 24, 2009 7:30:09am |
I snickered at noticing the “fabulous” questions on health care box was pink.
/what? q;
//also, g’devning
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Kosh's Shadow Mon, Aug 24, 2009 7:30:16am |
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realwest Mon, Aug 24, 2009 7:30:47am |
re: #282 razorbacker
Huh. I thought all the world’s troubles were cause by the Jews?!?
/
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midwestgak Mon, Aug 24, 2009 7:31:01am |
re: #324 opnion
It’s lonley being a White Sox fan, it’s kinda just me & a couple of other guys.
Are you a northsider? That could explain it.
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lawhawk Mon, Aug 24, 2009 7:31:14am |
So, I was at a Met game with the Mrs. (who’s a big Met fan) - on Saturday when the Mets honored the 69 Miracle Mets (and saw Nolan Ryan in person for the first time - and wearing a Met uniform for first time since he was traded away). They were playing the Phillies, and the Philly fans clearly show why they’re the worst in the nation. They were booing the 69 Mets and making a ruckus at every opportunity. Classy. Very classy.
The new ballpark is quite nice, though there’s a real lack of Met specific items around the ballpark. If you looked quickly, you wouldn’t know you were in the Mets home ballpark. The food, however, is awesome - much better than found at Yankee Stadium.
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sattv4u2 Mon, Aug 24, 2009 7:31:18am |
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Salamantis Mon, Aug 24, 2009 7:31:51am |
My paternal grandfather had six kids to feed during the Depression, and a job as a mailman. So he also ran moonshine, and delivered it in the mailboxes along with the daily mail. Before he got that job, he got laid off at the Pensacola shipyard, and walked all the way home to Alabama so he could save the busfare for their food.
He later opened a general store.
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VioletTiger Mon, Aug 24, 2009 7:31:59am |
re: #325 Occasional Reader
Is there a way to look up people and see who may or may not be still on the site?
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realwest Mon, Aug 24, 2009 7:32:04am |
re: #287 reine.de.tout
Ah, thanks reine - say if you facebook, could y’all leave her a message that I’ve been asking after her?
Thanks!
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itellu3times Mon, Aug 24, 2009 7:32:05am |
The NYT is just about at the point where they print nothing but word salad.
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Occasional Reader Mon, Aug 24, 2009 7:32:16am |
re: #323 sattv4u2
Christ! I don’t beleive you typed that!
Look, let’s not resurrect some personal squabble on this thread, okay?
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sattv4u2 Mon, Aug 24, 2009 7:32:47am |
re: #336 Salamantis
My paternal grandfather had six kids to feed during the Depression, and a job as a mailman. So he also ran moonshine, and delivered it in the mailboxes along with the daily mail. Before he got that job, he got laid off at the Pensacola shipyard, and walked all the way home to Alabama so he could save the busfare for their food.
He later opened a general store.
They sell generals in stores?
Could I get something in a 1943 Patton?
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JamesTKirk Mon, Aug 24, 2009 7:33:07am |
re: #322 Kosh’s Shadow
I haven’t seen it on in a while, and I’ve deferred buying the DVDs. (Some of the old shows, actually)
The new ones are pretty darned good. The old ones vary a lot, depending on the actors and producers.
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Targetpractice Mon, Aug 24, 2009 7:33:11am |
re: #336 Salamantis
My paternal grandfather had six kids to feed during the Depression, and a job as a mailman. So he also ran moonshine, and delivered it in the mailboxes along with the daily mail. Before he got that job, he got laid off at the Pensacola shipyard, and walked all the way home to Alabama so he could save the busfare for their food.
He later opened a general store.
Moonshine in the mailbox…well, it would certainly make reading the bills less painful.
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reine.de.tout Mon, Aug 24, 2009 7:33:13am |
re: #338 realwest
Ah, thanks reine - say if you facebook, could y’all leave her a message that I’ve been asking after her?
Thanks!
will do.
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haakondahl Mon, Aug 24, 2009 7:33:34am |
I’d like to cast Schwarzenegger as Jesus, just to have him tell the Roman “I’ll be back”.
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BlueCanuck Mon, Aug 24, 2009 7:34:16am |
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sattv4u2 Mon, Aug 24, 2009 7:34:23am |
re: #341 Occasional Reader
Look, let’s not resurrect some personal squabble on this thread, okay?
You nailed it on that one
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JamesTKirk Mon, Aug 24, 2009 7:34:30am |
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haakondahl Mon, Aug 24, 2009 7:34:35am |
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JamesTKirk Mon, Aug 24, 2009 7:34:53am |
OK, I’m getting cross at this line of puns.
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Kosh's Shadow Mon, Aug 24, 2009 7:34:59am |
re: #343 JamesTKirk
The new ones are pretty darned good. The old ones vary a lot, depending on the actors and producers.
I’ve seen most of the new ones. They don’t seem to be on right now.
But they were erratic (like the old ones); the most recent season was, I thought, the best. The spaceship Titanic could have been from some of the best years of the old show.
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haakondahl Mon, Aug 24, 2009 7:35:10am |
re: #349 JamesTKirk
It sucks when you want to buy something specific.
FOUL! Steven Wright. Penalty Box, two minutes.
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garycooper Mon, Aug 24, 2009 7:35:26am |
re: #318 Occasional Reader
Wow… we have something in common. My paternal grandfather (and his father, and his father before him) were all firemen in Buffalo. (My dad broke the chain by becoming a financial analyst.) He (my granddad) died before I was born; he was the watch commander during a fire at a chemical factory, and the count of the firemen coming out of the building didn’t add up. He went in to find the guy… without a respirator (there weren’t enough). Turned out, the count was screwed up, everyone was out. A few days later, he started coughing up blood. He was dead within a few months. He taught my Dad how to be a man; and I think he did a damn fine job of it.
We have even more in common: My Dad broke the chain, by becoming a CPA. After he served heroically in the Pacific, killing Japanese. Any chance your Dad was in the Army Air Corps? ;)
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realwest Mon, Aug 24, 2009 7:35:33am |
re: #304 Kosh’s Shadow
I don’t know Kosh’s Shadow - I wasn’t here when it happened, just saw some mention of it on a DT a couple of months ago.
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Kosh's Shadow Mon, Aug 24, 2009 7:35:36am |
re: #346 haakondahl
I’d like to cast Schwarzenegger as Jesus, just to have him tell the Roman “I’ll be back”.
Don’t give Hollyweird any ideas.
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JamesTKirk Mon, Aug 24, 2009 7:36:03am |
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haakondahl Mon, Aug 24, 2009 7:36:06am |
You will reload this page three times before the morning thread.
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Occasional Reader Mon, Aug 24, 2009 7:36:39am |
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Targetpractice Mon, Aug 24, 2009 7:36:59am |
re: #346 haakondahl
I’d like to cast Schwarzenegger as Jesus, just to have him tell the Roman “I’ll be back”.
Who wouldn’t love to see the Sermon on the Mount given with a thick Austrian accent?
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JamesTKirk Mon, Aug 24, 2009 7:37:07am |
re: #360 Occasional Reader
I think we’ve flogged this pun long enough, don’t you?
Careful, I think I almost threw up my last supper on that one.
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Kosh's Shadow Mon, Aug 24, 2009 7:37:09am |
re: #344 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
Moonshine in the mailbox…well, it would certainly make reading the bills less painful.
I read a book about the Intrepid, IIRC, which says that after a pilot was lost in combat, they went through his locker to send back his stuff. They found many bottles of the hair tonic Vitalis. It turned out his wife was filling them with booze to get through the inspectors. They kept that, and thanked her.
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HoosierHoops Mon, Aug 24, 2009 7:37:19am |
Good Morning Lizards!
Hope everyone is well today.
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laZardo Mon, Aug 24, 2009 7:37:22am |
re: #361 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
With Sacha “Bruno” Baron Cohen as Herod?
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garycooper Mon, Aug 24, 2009 7:37:36am |
re: #324 opnion
It’s lonley being a White Sox fan, it’s kinda just me & a couple of other guys.
Do you think your guys are going to catch mine? The Tigers, I mean.
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MrSilverDragon Mon, Aug 24, 2009 7:37:46am |
I’ll be impressed if someone can use the word transubstantiation as a pun.
The challenge is set.
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JamesTKirk Mon, Aug 24, 2009 7:37:47am |
re: #365 laZardo
With Sacha “Bruno” Baron Cohen as Herod?
Sorry, had to downding you for that one. Can’t stand him.
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redstateredneck Mon, Aug 24, 2009 7:37:47am |
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Yashmak Mon, Aug 24, 2009 7:38:14am |
It may be that it’s simply early in the morning on a Monday, but for the life of me, I couldn’t even figure out what point that NYT writer was trying to make.
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haakondahl Mon, Aug 24, 2009 7:38:16am |
re: #360 Occasional Reader
I think we’ve flogged this pun long enough, don’t you?
I think you’ve pierced the matter.
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Occasional Reader Mon, Aug 24, 2009 7:38:16am |
re: #354 garycooper
We have even more in common: My Dad broke the chain, by becoming a CPA. After he served heroically in the Pacific, killing Japanese. Any chance your Dad was in the Army Air Corps? ;)
Gary? Is that you?!
//
No, my dad’s too young to have served in WWII. He just missed (escaped?) serving in Korea by a few months; armistice was signed before he went into the Army.
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realwest Mon, Aug 24, 2009 7:38:24am |
re: #314 haakondahl
Good morning hawk - I heard they’d just postponed the caning until after the Festival?! Hope they really have called it off - it’s truly brutal and barbaric behavior.
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JamesTKirk Mon, Aug 24, 2009 7:38:55am |
re: #360 Occasional Reader
I think we’ve flogged this pun long enough, don’t you?
It’ll be back in three days.
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Occasional Reader Mon, Aug 24, 2009 7:39:00am |
re: #362 JamesTKirk
Careful, I think I almost threw up my last supper on that one.
If you need to be rescued from this pun thread, I’ll call in the Calvary.
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garycooper Mon, Aug 24, 2009 7:39:27am |
re: #339 itellu3times
The NYT is just about at the point where they print nothing but word salad.
They’re known for tossing a good salad.
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Salamantis Mon, Aug 24, 2009 7:39:36am |
re: #367 MrSilverDragon
I’ll be impressed if someone can use the word transubstantiation as a pun.
The challenge is set.
“He” claimed to be a ladyboy, but looked much too busty and feminine. So I requested trans substantiation.
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sattv4u2 Mon, Aug 24, 2009 7:40:03am |
re: #361 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
Who wouldn’t love to see the Sermon on the Mount given with a thick Austrian accent?
Almost as good as Edward G> Robinson as an Egyptian in the Ten Commandments!
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haakondahl Mon, Aug 24, 2009 7:40:21am |
re: #374 realwest
Good morning hawk - I heard they’d just postponed the caning until after the Festival?! Hope they really have called it off - it’s truly brutal and barbaric behavior.
It get the feeling that the three-ring circus they call a government is casting about for a way to save face in all directions.
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Occasional Reader Mon, Aug 24, 2009 7:40:30am |
re: #358 haakondahl
You will reload this page three times before
the morning thread“al-Capon”, the Gaza rooster, crows (via streaming video).
FIFY
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JamesTKirk Mon, Aug 24, 2009 7:40:33am |
re: #377 garycooper
They’re known for tossing a good salad.
updinged with a warning to others not to google “tossed salad”…
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JamesTKirk Mon, Aug 24, 2009 7:41:05am |
re: #379 sattv4u2
Almost as good as Edward G> Robinson as an Egyptian in the Ten Commandments!
“Where’s your God now, Moses? Yeah, yeah…”
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Occasional Reader Mon, Aug 24, 2009 7:41:06am |
re: #378 Salamantis
“He” claimed to be a ladyboy, but looked much too busty and feminine. So I requested trans substantiation.
You are SO going to hell for that one…
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realwest Mon, Aug 24, 2009 7:41:22am |
re: #334 lawhawk
Good morning lawhawk! “The food, however, is awesome - much better than found at Yankee Stadium.”
They sell food at Yankee Stadium - I wish they’d come up with another name for it, damnit - the current Yankee stadium is just the place where the Yankees play - it most assuredly ISN’T Yankee stadium.
Oh, who’s in first place in the AL East, do you know?!
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Mad Al-Jaffee Mon, Aug 24, 2009 7:41:47am |
re: #346 haakondahl
I’d like to cast Schwarzenegger as Jesus, just to have him tell the Roman “I’ll be back”.
There was a MAD TV sketch kind of like that - a terminator goes back to Jesus’ time to save him from crucifixition.
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garycooper Mon, Aug 24, 2009 7:42:23am |
re: #373 Occasional Reader
Gary? Is that you?!
//
No, my dad’s too young to have served in WWII. He just missed (escaped?) serving in Korea by a few months; armistice was signed before he went into the Army.
Okay, but we’re probably related anyway. Irish-Catholic from Buffalo?
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HoosierHoops Mon, Aug 24, 2009 7:42:24am |
re: #379 sattv4u2
Almost as good as Edward G> Robinson as an Egyptian in the Ten Commandments!
John Wayne as a Roman Guard in the greatest story ever told…
Top ten of the worst casting of all time.
A thick texas accent, ‘Surely this be the man of God’..Didn’t work
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laZardo Mon, Aug 24, 2009 7:42:53am |
re: #385 realwest
Good morning lawhawk! “The food, however, is awesome - much better than found at Yankee Stadium.”
They sell food at Yankee Stadium - I wish they’d come up with another name for it, damnit - the current Yankee stadium is just the place where the Yankees play - it most assuredly ISN’T Yankee stadium.
Oh, who’s in first place in the AL East, do you know?!
THE YANKEES ARE.
/just to rub it in :x
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realwest Mon, Aug 24, 2009 7:42:59am |
re: #336 Salamantis
Sounds as if he was a hellofa guy Sal. You must be proud of him.
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Occasional Reader Mon, Aug 24, 2009 7:43:03am |
re: #387 garycooper
Okay, but we’re probably related anyway. Irish-Catholic from Buffalo?
Yep! See you at the reunion…
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reine.de.tout Mon, Aug 24, 2009 7:43:11am |
Boy, things happen strangely sometimes.
I had something in mind that I needed to do today, but couldn’t remember what it was.
While I was sitting here trying to remember it, the phone rang and it was the salesman I bought my car from in February, calling to see how things are going. At which point I remembered what it was I need to do today - OIL CHANGE.
Weird.
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Targetpractice Mon, Aug 24, 2009 7:43:56am |
re: #363 Kosh’s Shadow
I read a book about the Intrepid, IIRC, which says that after a pilot was lost in combat, they went through his locker to send back his stuff. They found many bottles of the hair tonic Vitalis. It turned out his wife was filling them with booze to get through the inspectors. They kept that, and thanked her.
What, did you expect them to part with perfectly good booze? That’s almost as sacrilegious as this thread.
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Spenser (with an S) Mon, Aug 24, 2009 7:44:05am |
re: #366 garycooper
Do you think your guys are going to catch mine? The Tigers, I mea
Go Tigers! Went camping this weekend and couldn’t get any of the series w/ the A’s. I knew they were going to be tough.
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lawhawk Mon, Aug 24, 2009 7:44:24am |
re: #385 realwest
I never saw the original Yankee stadium in person (before the 70s rebuild), but from the photos, the new ballpark does have many of the original features, particularly the exterior facade.
And yes, the Yanks are in first place :-)
I’m quite happy about that.
As for the name of the Yanks’ ballpark, I can’t think of any name that would be befitting other than Yankee Stadium, even if it’s across the street from the old park.
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Occasional Reader Mon, Aug 24, 2009 7:44:41am |
re: #388 HoosierHoops
John Wayne as a Roman Guard in the greatest story ever told…
Top ten of the worst casting of all time.
A thick texas accent, ‘Surely this be the man of God’..Didn’t work
I must protest, sir:
A think Texas accent for an ancient Roman makes no LESS sense than an upper-class English accent does. Yet nobody questions, say, Christopher Plummer as a Roman.
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SasquatchOnSteroids Mon, Aug 24, 2009 7:44:48am |
re: #326 realwest
Thanks for the update, and your selflessness.
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Salamantis Mon, Aug 24, 2009 7:45:27am |
re: #390 realwest
Sounds as if he was a hellofa guy Sal. You must be proud of him.
It was, of course, a made-to-order pun.
But I did once slow-dance with this willowy blonde at a bar one night only to be surprised by 5 o’clock shadow when we chanced to brush cheeks…
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Mad Al-Jaffee Mon, Aug 24, 2009 7:45:38am |
re: #396 Occasional Reader
I must protest, sir:
A think Texas accent for an ancient Roman makes no LESS sense than an upper-class English accent does. Yet nobody questions, say, Christopher Plummer as a Roman.
“Bloody Romans!”
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Occasional Reader Mon, Aug 24, 2009 7:46:25am |
re: #398 Salamantis
It was, of course, a made-to-order pun.
But I did once slow-dance with this willowy blonde at a bar one night only to be surprised by 5 o’clock shadow when we chanced to brush cheeks…
You’re not dumb, Sal, but you don’t understand, how she walked like a woman, but talked like a man…
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JamesTKirk Mon, Aug 24, 2009 7:47:13am |
re: #400 Occasional Reader
You’re not dumb, Sal, but you don’t understand, how she walked like a woman, but talked like a man…
Also, the dude looked like a lady.
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KenJen Mon, Aug 24, 2009 7:47:22am |
Good morning everyone. I had a great weekend. Weather could not have been better. I caught a 10lbs catfish Sat. nite. Man those guys are feisty!
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Salamantis Mon, Aug 24, 2009 7:48:14am |
re: #400 Occasional Reader
You’re not dumb, Sal, but you don’t understand, how she walked like a woman, but talked like a man…
Lola.
And who am I fooling here? We didn’t just chance to brush cheeks; I was snuggling. And then abruptly wasn’t.
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realwest Mon, Aug 24, 2009 7:48:50am |
re: #389 laZardo
THE YANKEES ARE.
/just to rub it in :x
Why good morning evening to you laZardo! You mean the YANKEES are in FIRST PLACE?! Really? Gee, I remember back in April and May some folks of the Bosox said the Yanks were dead.
Musta come back out of the tomb and been resurrected!
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Occasional Reader Mon, Aug 24, 2009 7:49:14am |
Gabriel Schoenfeld of the Hudson Institute asks whether it really still makes sense for us to help pay Russia to dismantle aging nukes. Are we really just subsidizing the defense budget of a resurgent Russia, by paying them to do something they’d have to do anyway?
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avanti Mon, Aug 24, 2009 7:49:23am |
Good morning Lizards. Nate Silver looks at the possible GOP Senate gains this AM.
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lawhawk Mon, Aug 24, 2009 7:49:40am |
re: #401 JamesTKirk
Also, the dude looked like a lady.
Ah, such sweet emotion. It’s no wonder that there’s love in the elevator, particularly when you have toys in the attic.
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VioletTiger Mon, Aug 24, 2009 7:49:53am |
re: #402 KenJen
Good morning everyone. I had a great weekend. Weather could not have been better. I caught a 10lbs catfish Sat. nite. Man those guys are feisty!
A lake kitty!
Call PETA/
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Walter L. Newton Mon, Aug 24, 2009 7:50:00am |
I was looking over the “threads” of taxes and acceptable health care coverage in HB 3200, and here is a summery…
The Obama administration keeps assuring us that House Bill 3200, and the enclosed proposals for health care reform is not designed to take over the private health care industry and create the largest nationalized program that the Federal government has ever managed.
That’s a lie. Almost every section of the bill is designed to make it more and more difficult for private health care to function as an industry. New constraints in this bill will eventually strangle and kill private health care and you will have no choice but to accept a Euro-style socialized health care system.
And the Obama administration has turned to the invasive IRS to help “nudge” you into the Federal health care system.
The IRS will be tasked with collecting new taxes from you and private businesses if you do not have health care insurance that matches or exceeds Federal guidelines or your employer doesn’t offer health care that matches or exceeds Federal guidelines.
There will be new taxes on… (see Section 207)
(A) TAXES ON INDIVIDUALS NOT OBTAINING ACCEPTABLE COVERAGE.
(B) EMPLOYMENT TAXES ON EMPLOYERS NOT PROVIDING ACCEPTABLE COVERAGE
(C) EXCISE TAX ON FAILURES TO MEET CERTAIN HEALTH COVERAGE REQUIREMENTS
These taxes will be levied by the Federal government as part of the financing of socialized health care. And how much tax will they levy on you? If you don’t have any health insurance, private or government supplied, you will pay 2.5 percent of your modified adjusted gross income for a year.
SEC. 59B. TAX ON INDIVIDUALS WITHOUT ACCEPTABLE HEALTH CARE COVERAGE. TAX IMPOSED.—In the case of any individual who does not meet the requirements of subsection (d) at any time during the taxable year, there is hereby imposed a tax equal to 2.5 percent of the excess of — the taxpayer’s modified adjusted gross in come for the taxable year…
Employers will be taxed at 8.0 percent of an employees wages if they fail to offer acceptable health care coverage. (See section 412). And who decides, for the whole country, for private employees, private business and public entities what is ACCEPTABLE insurance coverage? Well, the Federal government, of course.
QUALIFIED HEALTH BENEFITS PLAN COVERAGE.—Coverage under a qualified health benefits plan. The Commissioner shall make determinations under this paragraph in coordination with the Secretary of the Treasury. (See section 202).
There you have it. The backdoor to eventual socialized health care, under the complete control of the Federal government. They will decide what is acceptable health care coverage and the IRS will collect taxes from you and/or your employer if the coverage is not acceptable. This means the Federal government will have to keep records of who has what coverage and if your coverage meets or exceeds Federal guidelines.
Do you really want this?
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JamesTKirk Mon, Aug 24, 2009 7:50:17am |
re: #404 laZardo
At least the upper-class Englishmen know their Latin.
I was taking Latin the first time I saw this movie. Hilarious.
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HoosierHoops Mon, Aug 24, 2009 7:50:27am |
re: #396 Occasional Reader
I must protest, sir:
A think Texas accent for an ancient Roman makes no LESS sense than an upper-class English accent does. Yet nobody questions, say, Christopher Plummer as a Roman.
Gotta gree with ya there..Although the Cowboy hat and 6 shooter John Wayne was wearing in the period piece stuck out like a sore thumb.
/
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JamesTKirk Mon, Aug 24, 2009 7:50:48am |
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Lincolntf Mon, Aug 24, 2009 7:51:06am |
re: #405 realwest
I kinda doubt anyone called the Yankees dead in April or May. At least not a baseball fan. That would be kinda dumb.
As a Sox fan, I figure the Yanks will win the Division and we’ll take the wild card. After that, it’s all about the pitching.
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haakondahl Mon, Aug 24, 2009 7:51:27am |
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JamesTKirk Mon, Aug 24, 2009 7:51:37am |
re: #408 lawhawk
Ah, such sweet emotion. It’s no wonder that there’s love in the elevator, particularly when you have toys in the attic.
Good thing Jamie didn’t have a gun.
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KenJen Mon, Aug 24, 2009 7:51:56am |
re: #409 VioletTiger
A lake kitty!
Call PETA/
Ha! I threw him back or should I say I gently placed him back in the water.
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sattv4u2 Mon, Aug 24, 2009 7:52:11am |
re: #403 Salamantis
Lola.
And who am I fooling here? We didn’t just chance to brush cheeks; I was snuggling. And then abruptly wasn’t.
ummm,, the “bulge” in the front of the neck and under the skirt wasn;t a clue!?!?!!?
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Salamantis Mon, Aug 24, 2009 7:52:28am |
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Kenneth Mon, Aug 24, 2009 7:52:49am |
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garycooper Mon, Aug 24, 2009 7:52:50am |
Looking forward to punting the Yankees out of the playoffs again, just like 2006. :)
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Vicious Babushka Mon, Aug 24, 2009 7:53:00am |
re: #30 Salamantis
What really peeves my cockles is the snide, snotty, sneering, supercilious attitude that the NYT writer takes towards people quite reasonably taking principled ethical issue with how radical Muslim men typically treat women. And I hasten to add that radical Muslims also treat homosexuals, Jews and nonMuslims in general in similarly cruel, bigotrous, and oppressive ways.
I just can’t understand how the religion card can apparently trump human and civil rights concerns when Muslims play it or others play it on their behalf, but it doesn’t fly for any other faith.
When Muslim women are oppressed, it’s really the fault of White European colonialists. Before the eeville European colonialists came along, everything was just peachy.
/
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reine.de.tout Mon, Aug 24, 2009 7:53:03am |
re: #239 realwest
HEY Y’ALL - has anyone heard from or seen Aussiemagpie recently?!
Aussie says she’ll try to get on tomorrow for a bit!
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Mad Al-Jaffee Mon, Aug 24, 2009 7:53:27am |
re: #419 Salamantis
That would really be living on the edge.
This thread is really starting to come together.
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garycooper Mon, Aug 24, 2009 7:54:15am |
re: #398 Salamantis
It was, of course, a made-to-order pun.
But I did once slow-dance with this willowy blonde at a bar one night only to be surprised by 5 o’clock shadow when we chanced to brush cheeks…
Damn that Ann Coulter!
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realwest Mon, Aug 24, 2009 7:54:28am |
re: #395 lawhawk
Well I had the pleasure of seeing it before the rebuild, but at least the rebuild was on the same hallowed ground all those great Yankee players were on; the new Stadium can TRY to look like the old one but it ain’t.
Maybe they should call it “Pinstripe Stadium” or somesuch (although then I suppose all the Tea Party folk would want to hold their rallies there!!).
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Creeping Eruption Mon, Aug 24, 2009 7:54:49am |
I am gone for a week and I see that LGF is being hit by both sides. I see I have missed nothing.
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Salamantis Mon, Aug 24, 2009 7:55:35am |
re: #418 sattv4u2
ummm,, the “bulge” in the front of the neck and under the skirt wasn;t a clue!?!?!!?
The bar was dark and I was drinking, so I didn’t figure things out until I felt the beard.
I never saw an Adam’s apple or felt a crotch bulge.
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laZardo Mon, Aug 24, 2009 7:55:55am |
re: #416 JamesTKirk
Good thing Jamie didn’t have a gun.
Just say ‘no’ when Jamie asks you to go hunting.
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realwest Mon, Aug 24, 2009 7:56:21am |
re: #398 Salamantis
Ah, my mistake - didn’t sound like a pun to me.
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Kosh's Shadow Mon, Aug 24, 2009 7:57:06am |
re: #393 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
What, did you expect them to part with perfectly good booze? That’s almost as sacrilegious as this thread.
No, why send it back? But I thought the story was worth retelling.
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Lincolntf Mon, Aug 24, 2009 7:57:42am |
I totally understand why the Pres, wants to privacy/security for his family while on vacation, but how on Earth does he expect to enforce this request/demand:
“Further, added press aide Katie Lillie, there will be no tolerating reporters using cellphones to call or text friends with the president’s latest movements on the island. Since the Vineyard has relatively few roads - and it’s easy to figure out how Obama would travel from one venue to another - those in the press pool must agree not to telegraph where he’s going.
Violators, she said, would be thrown out of the pool.”
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sattv4u2 Mon, Aug 24, 2009 7:57:48am |
re: #428 Salamantis
The bar was dark and I was drinking, so I didn’t figure things out until I felt the beard.
I never saw an Adam’s apple or felt a crotch bulge.
“Thats my story and you’re sticking to it!”
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VioletTiger Mon, Aug 24, 2009 7:58:53am |
re: #410 Walter L. Newton
Medicare is struggling. They want to create a new version with everybody in it, because they need healthy people paying into the system to support it.
Health insurance only works if there are more healthy people than sick people.
While it is true that health insurance premiums have been rising, I wonder how much of that is due to the pressure put on the health care system from medicate and medicaid? Both of these systems pay healthcare providers less, so healthcare providers need to make up the difference somewhere.
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Salamantis Mon, Aug 24, 2009 7:59:21am |
re: #435 sattv4u2
“Thats my story and you’re sticking to it!”
Looking back on it, “her” name should have been a dead giveaway.
/who really names their daughter Beverly LaSalle, even in Nawlinz?
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MandyManners Mon, Aug 24, 2009 7:59:26am |
re: #434 Lincolntf
I totally understand why the Pres, wants to privacy/security for his family while on vacation, but how on Earth does he expect to enforce this request/demand:
“Further, added press aide Katie Lillie, there will be no tolerating reporters using cellphones to call or text friends with the president’s latest movements on the island. Since the Vineyard has relatively few roads - and it’s easy to figure out how Obama would travel from one venue to another - those in the press pool must agree not to telegraph where he’s going.
Violators, she said, would be thrown out of the pool.”
Monitor cell phones? Confiscate them?
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avanti Mon, Aug 24, 2009 7:59:48am |
re: #434 Lincolntf
I totally understand why the Pres, wants to privacy/security for his family while on vacation, but how on Earth does he expect to enforce this request/demand:
“Further, added press aide Katie Lillie, there will be no tolerating reporters using cellphones to call or text friends with the president’s latest movements on the island. Since the Vineyard has relatively few roads - and it’s easy to figure out how Obama would travel from one venue to another - those in the press pool must agree not to telegraph where he’s going.
Violators, she said, would be thrown out of the pool.”
The threat of tossing them out of the press pool for risking the POTUS’s security is enough of a deterrent.
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realwest Mon, Aug 24, 2009 8:00:11am |
re: #410 Walter L. Newton
NO. Not until all Federal employees and all Union members have to have it as well.
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Kosh's Shadow Mon, Aug 24, 2009 8:00:32am |
re: #404 laZardo
At least the upper-class Englishmen know their Latin.
The Latin teachers I had were like the centurion. Get it wrong, and you’d think they were holding a gladius at your neck.
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lowgamma Mon, Aug 24, 2009 8:01:16am |
Grand Inquisitor of Conservatism?
Now if I can just find my Monty Python skits… Oh, Yes.
“No one expects the Charlie Inquisition! Our main weapon is…”
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Walter L. Newton Mon, Aug 24, 2009 8:01:40am |
re: #432 MandyManners
How is “acceptable” defined?
The only paragraph I can find that address that is the one I posted…
QUALIFIED HEALTH BENEFITS PLAN COVERAGE.—Coverage under a qualified health benefits plan. The Commissioner shall make determinations under this paragraph in coordination with the Secretary of the Treasury. (See section 202).
Some Commissioner will make that determination with the IRS. I’m not sure if those details are available yet. If the Commission is tasked with defining acceptable health care coverage, I suspect that will be done at some future date, after the Commission is seated.
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Last Mohican Mon, Aug 24, 2009 8:02:09am |
re: #410 Walter L. Newton
These taxes will be levied by the Federal government as part of the financing of socialized health care. And how much tax will they levy on you? If you don’t have any health insurance, private or government supplied, you will pay 2.5 percent of your modified adjusted gross income for a year.
That’s not exactly true. If you don’t have health insurance for any part of a year, the IRS will charge you the equivalent of the insurance premium for “basic” coverage in your area, or 2.5% of your gross income, whichever is smaller. If you’re only uninsured for part of a year, they’ll charge you a prorated amount.
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JamesTKirk Mon, Aug 24, 2009 8:02:50am |
re: #439 avanti
The threat of tossing them out of the press pool for risking the POTUS’s security is enough of a deterrent.
Oh, how they will languish, when they are removed from His divine presence!
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Kosh's Shadow Mon, Aug 24, 2009 8:03:08am |
re: #434 Lincolntf
At a previous company, I had a Daily-Kos-reading moonbat co-worker who lives on the Vineyahd. He must be beside himself hoping to get near Obama’s halo.
Moonbat’s Vineyard.
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Kenneth Mon, Aug 24, 2009 8:03:26am |
Now, there’s a real intelligence scandal for you. Years into the long war, the Central Intelligence Agency (apparently) lacks the resources to carry out a terrorist elimination mission without help from a contractor. You’d think someone on the House or Senate Intelligence Committees would be asking Leon Panetta—and his predecessors—about this lack of progress, but don’t expect hearings anytime soon. Blackwater is a much more convenient target, and it avoids the larger issue of why the CIA can’t locate bad guys on the ground and take the out.
That’s an issue that begs an immediate answer, but unfortunately, no one is willing to ask the question. Our current crop of political leaders seem to be happy with the status quo, and so is Al Qaida.
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MandyManners Mon, Aug 24, 2009 8:04:03am |
re: #443 Walter L. Newton
The only paragraph I can find that address that is the one I posted…
QUALIFIED HEALTH BENEFITS PLAN COVERAGE.—Coverage under a qualified health benefits plan. The Commissioner shall make determinations under this paragraph in coordination with the Secretary of the Treasury. (See section 202).
Some Commissioner will make that determination with the IRS. I’m not sure if those details are available yet. If the Commission is tasked with defining acceptable health care coverage, I suspect that will be done at some future date, after the Commission is seated.
After we can do much about it.
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laZardo Mon, Aug 24, 2009 8:04:21am |
re: #445 JamesTKirk
Oh, how they will languish, when they are removed from His divine presence!
Hopefully He will not be disturbed by the wailing and gnashing of teeth.
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opnion Mon, Aug 24, 2009 8:04:58am |
re: #407 avanti
Good morning Lizards. Nate Silver looks at the possible GOP Senate gains this AM.
Good morning Avanti. Kirk should win in Illinois, good resume, Reserve Officer & squeaky clean. The Dem Genulious has a problem explaining why he loaned so much money to mob figures from the family bank.
It’s really going to hinge on how solid the voting is from the inhabitants of Cook County Cemeteries
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Lincolntf Mon, Aug 24, 2009 8:05:07am |
re: #439 avanti
Maybe. I kinda doubt that a National Enquirer-type would be deterred by such a threat. Especially if it results in an exclusive pic.
The more I think about it, MV is really a lousy place for security. As the article noted, there are very few roads on MV, and they are usually clogged with bicyclists, mopeds, etc. I don’t see how he’ll go anywhere without everyone on the island knowing where he is.
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Beach Lover Mon, Aug 24, 2009 8:05:09am |
Good morning, lizards. what’s happenenen?!
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Rancher Mon, Aug 24, 2009 8:06:02am |
I don’t consider the Times article a smear at all. It seems to support the “The Feminist Hawks” in a special issue dedicated to Saving the World’s Women. It doesn’t even label LGF as right wing, just a web site that supports the meme that Islamic regimes are terribly oppressive to women. Nor do I see any indication of LGF being called “sneaky”. Maybe I’m missing something.
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Kenneth Mon, Aug 24, 2009 8:06:17am |
Ahmadinejad chooses wanted man for cabinet
Iran’s new defence minister sought by Interpol for 1994 bombing of Jewish centre
A former commander of Iran’s Revolutionary Guards has been nominated by Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, Iran’s president, to head the country’s defence ministry, despite being listed on Interpol’s wanted register for the 1994 bombing of a Jewish cultural centre in Argentina.
Argentinian prosecutors joined Jewish groups last night in condemnation of Ahmadinejad’s decision to propose Ahmad Vahidi for the senior cabinet post.
Vahidi has been on an Interpol “red notice” since November 2007, in connection with the car bomb attack on the Israeli-Argentine Mutual Association (AMIA) building in Buenos Aires that killed 85 people and injured 150 – the worst attack on a Jewish target outside Israel since the second world war.
How’s that uncleanched fist thing working out for you, Barry?
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Mad Al-Jaffee Mon, Aug 24, 2009 8:06:26am |
re: #446 Kosh’s Shadow
At a previous company, I had a Daily-Kos-reading moonbat co-worker who lives on the Vineyahd. He must be beside himself hoping to get near Obama’s halo.
Moonbat’s Vineyard.
I hope Ted Kennedy’s not driving the Presidential limo.
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redstateredneck Mon, Aug 24, 2009 8:06:27am |
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Daria Emmons Mon, Aug 24, 2009 8:06:29am |
re: #427 Creeping Eruption
I am gone for a week and I see that LGF is being hit by both sides. I see I have missed nothing.
Please read the NYT article. There is not one word of attack against Charles, literally.
The only thing in this article which might be even possibly ‘seen’ as an attack is that LGF is placed in the same sentence as Jihad Watch. But LGF is not named ‘right wing’ - it rather is labeled a ‘feminist hawk’ site.
Is that a criticism? Did I miss something? Because I view being a ‘feminist hawk’ as a compliment.
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MandyManners Mon, Aug 24, 2009 8:06:52am |
But these days it often seems as if Mr. Daschle never left the picture. With unrivaled ties on both ends of Pennsylvania Avenue, he talks constantly with top White House advisers, many of whom previously worked for him.
He still speaks frequently to the president, who met with him as recently as Friday morning in the Oval Office. And he remains a highly paid policy adviser to hospital, drug, pharmaceutical and other health care industry clients of Alston & Bird, the law and lobbying firm.
Now the White House and Senate Democratic leaders appear to be moving toward a blueprint for overhauling the health system, centered on nonprofit insurance cooperatives, that Mr. Daschle began promoting two months ago as a politically feasible alternative to a more muscular government-run insurance plan.
It is an idea that happens to dovetail with the interests of many Alston & Bird clients, like the insurance giant UnitedHealth and the Tennessee Hospital Association. And it is drawing angry cries of accommodation from more liberal House Democrats bent on including a public insurance plan.
SNIP
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Walter L. Newton Mon, Aug 24, 2009 8:06:56am |
re: #440 realwest
NO. Not until all Federal employees and all Union members have to have it as well.
What I am digging into is insidious. Simply put, a Commission will decide for ALL health care insurance plans what is acceptable, private and public. If it doesn’t meet guidelines, you and/or you employer will be taxed. If you opt out of ANY health care, you will be taxed.
Employers will eventually just drop the coverage, because you can bet the guidelines will be oppressive, they will simply opt to pay the tax penalty and the citizen will be forced into a public system.
Remember, a private citizen HAS TO HAVE SOME SORT OF COVERAGE under this proposal, employed or not, or they will pay 2.5 percent tax of their modified adjusted gross annual income.
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Ghost of a Dopefish Mon, Aug 24, 2009 8:07:05am |
re: #458 Daria Emmons
Is that a criticism? Did I miss something? Because I view being a ‘feminist hawk’ as a compliment.
As mentioned upthread, “hawk” is a derogatory term from the media.
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Daria Emmons Mon, Aug 24, 2009 8:07:38am |
re: #454 Rancher
I don’t consider the Times article a smear at all. It seems to support the “The Feminist Hawks” in a special issue dedicated to Saving the World’s Women. It doesn’t even label LGF as right wing, just a web site that supports the meme that Islamic regimes are terribly oppressive to women. Nor do I see any indication of LGF being called “sneaky”. Maybe I’m missing something.
You are missing nothing.
The article was not a smear in the slightest bit at all. It was actually a compliment! (unless, of course, you consider a compliment by the NYT to be an insult, but that is a different matter)
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MandyManners Mon, Aug 24, 2009 8:07:44am |
re: #448 MandyManners
After we
canCAN’T do much about it.
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JamesTKirk Mon, Aug 24, 2009 8:07:49am |
re: #450 opnion
Good morning Avanti. Kirk should win in Illinois…
No no no, I’m from Iowa.
// I only work in outer space.
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Beach Lover Mon, Aug 24, 2009 8:08:11am |
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laZardo Mon, Aug 24, 2009 8:08:26am |
re: #454 Rancher
I think the article is trying to say that while they(/we?) do support feminist principles, the energies are more directed at waging the war on terror rather than actual feminism.
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Daria Emmons Mon, Aug 24, 2009 8:08:43am |
re: #461 thedopefishlives
As mentioned upthread, “hawk” is a derogatory term from the media.
Huh? Since when? Why is it per se a bad thing to be a ‘hawk’? I know many people who proudly call themselves ‘feminist hawks.’
Again, I believe the NYT actually complimented LGF.
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JamesTKirk Mon, Aug 24, 2009 8:08:50am |
re: #458 Daria Emmons
Please read the NYT article. There is not one word of attack against Charles, literally.
Apparently you can’t see the Fnords.
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Last Mohican Mon, Aug 24, 2009 8:09:21am |
re: #443 Walter L. Newton
What is meant by “acceptable coverage” is defined in Section 59B, subsection (d), paragraph 2, which is on page 171 in the version I have. The possibilities include:
(A) A qualified health benefits plan, defined in Section 100(c), page 8, which then refers you back to Section 202(d)(2), page 76. I think this basically means one of the exchange-participating public or private plans.
(B) Grandfathered coverage.
(C) Medicare
(D) Medicaid
(E) Being a member of the armed forces or dependent thereof
(F) Being a veteran covered by the VA
(G) Other coverage that the Commissioner deems acceptable
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realwest Mon, Aug 24, 2009 8:09:31am |
re: #436 VioletTiger
Well I’m on Medicare and I pay about $225 A MONTH more than I paid on COBRA’d Private Medical insurance.
Someone’s paying for Medicare, but I are afraid it are us!
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MandyManners Mon, Aug 24, 2009 8:09:54am |
re: #458 Daria Emmons
Please read the NYT article. There is not one word of attack against Charles, literally.
The only thing in this article which might be even possibly ‘seen’ as an attack is that LGF is placed in the same sentence as Jihad Watch. But LGF is not named ‘right wing’ - it rather is labeled a ‘feminist hawk’ site.
Is that a criticism? Did I miss something? Because I view being a ‘feminist hawk’ as a compliment.
As some other Lizard explained above, being called a “hawk” about anything by the MFM in general—and the NYT in particular—is a slur designed to impugn the target.
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opnion Mon, Aug 24, 2009 8:10:02am |
re: #464 JamesTKirk
No no no, I’m from Iowa.
// I only work in outer space.
Well you could be on your way to Washington.
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Salamantis Mon, Aug 24, 2009 8:10:22am |
re: #466 laZardo
I think the article is trying to say that while they(/we?) do support feminist principles, the energies are more directed at waging the war on terror rather than actual feminism.
Yep; the not-so-subtextual implication is that feminism is being abused as a pretext basis to wage cruel and brutal war on all those poor culturally challenged brown people.
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MandyManners Mon, Aug 24, 2009 8:10:29am |
re: #471 MandyManners
As some other Lizard explained above, being called a “hawk” about anything by the MFM in general—and the NYT in particular—is a slur designed to impugn the target.
Remember “chcken hawk”?
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Daria Emmons Mon, Aug 24, 2009 8:10:59am |
re: #466 laZardo
I think the article is trying to say that while they(/we?) do support feminist principles, the energies are more directed at waging the war on terror rather than actual feminism.
That is one interpretation of the article. The other is that the war on terrorism is also a war against misogyny.
I honestly think Charles is only upset that LGF was placed within the same sentence as Jihad Watch. But nowhere in the article was LGF ‘smeared’ as a ‘sneaky ultra-rightie.’
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realwest Mon, Aug 24, 2009 8:11:04am |
re: #439 avanti
Morning avanti! I don’t understand how reporters using cell phones compromises Obama’s security at all.
It’s not a big secret as to where he is, ya know?
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Beach Lover Mon, Aug 24, 2009 8:11:06am |
re: #460 Walter L. Newton
which is the dirty little secret they didnt want anyone to discover before it was rammed through in hours!
thanks for digging and posting it, Walter.
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avanti Mon, Aug 24, 2009 8:11:08am |
re: #445 JamesTKirk
Oh, how they will languish, when they are removed from His divine presence!
No matter how you feel about the POTUS, being part of his press poll is a plum gig.
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Walter L. Newton Mon, Aug 24, 2009 8:11:14am |
re: #444 Last Mohican
That’s not exactly true. If you don’t have health insurance for any part of a year, the IRS will charge you the equivalent of the insurance premium for “basic” coverage in your area, or 2.5% of your gross income, whichever is smaller. If you’re only uninsured for part of a year, they’ll charge you a prorated amount.
Let me clarify. I was using the “top” paragraph of this section in the bill. Last Mohican is correct that there are “modifications” in the way the tax is computed and collected, depending on parts of year coverage and other factors.
Typical of any IRS tax code, it would take an accountant to figure out which little tax bucket you will fall into, but, I was commenting on the base figures and numbers.
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ladycatnip Mon, Aug 24, 2009 8:12:20am |
#444 Last Mohican
#410 Walter L. Newton
These taxes will be levied by the Federal government as part of the financing of socialized health care. And how much tax will they levy on you? If you don’t have any health insurance, private or government supplied, you will pay 2.5 percent of your modified adjusted gross income for a year.
That’s not exactly true. If you don’t have health insurance for any part of a year, the IRS will charge you the equivalent of the insurance premium for “basic” coverage in your area, or 2.5% of your gross income, whichever is smaller. If you’re only uninsured for part of a year, they’ll charge you a prorated amount.
Either way, it’s completely unacceptable to me. The government shouldn’t be penalizing anybody, nor should they be the arbiter of what constitutes approved “basic” coverage.
When I read the bill, IIRC, the section that deals with this 2.5% tax states something like “this tax shall not be called a tax…”
Only our government could come up with something this assinine.
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opnion Mon, Aug 24, 2009 8:12:26am |
re: #476 realwest
Morning avanti! I don’t understand how reporters using cell phones compromises Obama’s security at all.
It’s not a big secret as to where he is, ya know?
Ok Mister, report to your nearest reeducation camp.
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lawhawk Mon, Aug 24, 2009 8:12:32am |
re: #467 Daria Emmons
Backhanded at that - and lumping Charles in with some unsavory types.
Of course, one should rightfully question where the Times was in reporting on the misogyny in Afghanistan at the hands of the Taliban pre 2001, and up to today. It’s easy for the Left to complain about womens rights and the need to do something, but when action is truly needed, the Left complains that we need to respect local traditions, rights, and that action shouldn’t be taken by the US because we’re not quite perfect on those same issues.
The left sees these issues as talking points and fundraising tips, but not intent upon solving them - a more difficult task that sometimes requires action - military action.
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Rancher Mon, Aug 24, 2009 8:12:43am |
re: #447 Kenneth
Blackwater is a much more convenient target, and it avoids the larger issue of why the CIA can’t locate bad guys on the ground and take them out.
I heard this morning that some CIA agents may be prosecuted for threats they made to terrorists under interrogation. Apparently they are not allowed to tell the terrorists that they may be killed. In light of that I don’t see why we have a CIA at all and have no idea why anyone would work there.
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avanti Mon, Aug 24, 2009 8:12:46am |
re: #476 realwest
Morning avanti! I don’t understand how reporters using cell phones compromises Obama’s security at all.
It’s not a big secret as to where he is, ya know?
They know he’s is the area, but a call saying he’ll be at Joe’s Bar for a beer at 5 PM, is different.
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redstateredneck Mon, Aug 24, 2009 8:13:19am |
re: #465 Beach Lover
:-)
Hey, {Red} busy counting your coins from your farm?
I hate to admit this, but I have Farmville open in another window and my work open in a third. Hope I don’t get things mixed up.
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Daria Emmons Mon, Aug 24, 2009 8:13:31am |
re: #473 Salamantis
Yep; the not-so-subtextual implication is that feminism is being abused as a pretext basis to wage cruel and brutal war on all those poor culturally challenged brown people.
I did not read the article that way at all.
MandyManners,
Just because some within the MSM believe the label of ‘hawk’s is derogatory hardly makes it so. By that logic, the term ‘Republican’ and ‘conservative’ is derogatory simply because some in the MSM believe it to be.
‘Hawk’ is not an inherently bad word, and only those who are already offended by the word ‘hawk’ would think poorly of LGF because that label was affixed to it.
I view ‘hawk’ as a good word - so I thus believe NYT complimented LGF.
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laZardo Mon, Aug 24, 2009 8:13:52am |
re: #476 realwest
Cellphones these days also have cameras. It wouldn’t be hard to scope out the environment, not just around him but his guards as well, to find a place to snatch a compromising photo.
[Disclaimer: I am not suggesting/implying this sort of thing should be done. I’m just trying to figure out the rationale behind banning cellphones.]
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Walter L. Newton Mon, Aug 24, 2009 8:14:19am |
re: #469 Last Mohican
What is meant by “acceptable coverage” is defined in Section 59B, subsection (d), paragraph 2, which is on page 171 in the version I have. The possibilities include:
(A) A qualified health benefits plan, defined in Section 100(c), page 8, which then refers you back to Section 202(d)(2), page 76. I think this basically means one of the exchange-participating public or private plans.
(B) Grandfathered coverage.
(C) Medicare
(D) Medicaid
(E) Being a member of the armed forces or dependent thereof
(F) Being a veteran covered by the VA
(G) Other coverage that the Commissioner deems acceptable
READ “G” AGAIN
I was pointing people to the sections of this bill that needs illumination, not going through every little detail. My summary is still correct.
As in any bill, there are weasel clauses, this out, that out, exceptions and new inclusions. I would have to have my own blog and the ability to post page after page to sift this out to the minutia.
My general overview is still valid.
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SurferDoc Mon, Aug 24, 2009 8:14:23am |
OT: Obama is doomed. Reporters have rediscovered the homeless.
[Link: www.mcclatchydc.com…]
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MandyManners Mon, Aug 24, 2009 8:15:01am |
re: #475 Daria Emmons
That is one interpretation of the article. The other is that the war on terrorism is also a war against misogyny.
I honestly think Charles is only upset that LGF was placed within the same sentence as Jihad Watch. But nowhere in the article was LGF ‘smeared’ as a ‘sneaky ultra-rightie.’
Here is the paragraph in question:
Hawkish sites that have taken up feminism include Little Green Footballs, Jihad Watch and Horowitz’s FrontPage Magazine. On a recent day, the home page of the last featured reports of female prisoners being raped in Iran; prepubescent girls getting married in Gaza; and a possible honor killing by an immigrant in New York. This material is expected to help seal Horowitz’s general case for the war on terror, though he has not yet changed the name of his cause to, say, the war on misogyny.
The NYT is saying that the real war should not be against radical Islam but against misogyny.
And, yes, calling LGF “hawkish” IS a slur.
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sattv4u2 Mon, Aug 24, 2009 8:15:23am |
re: #484 avanti
They know he’s is the area, but a call saying he’ll be at Joe’s Bar for a beer at 5 PM, is different.
How so? Why now? When the Clintons vactioned there the press knew every house party they were invited too. They were there every time Bill took Chelsea to that Ice Cream shop they liked, taking photos of them in and out of it.
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redstateredneck Mon, Aug 24, 2009 8:15:27am |
re: #480 ladycatnip
#444 Last Mohican
Either way, it’s completely unacceptable to me. The government shouldn’t be penalizing anybody, nor should they be the arbiter of what constitutes approved “basic” coverage.When I read the bill, IIRC, the section that deals with this 2.5% tax states something like “this tax shall not be called a tax…”
Only our government could come up with something this assinine.
I love the taxes they call “contributions”. Yeah, right.
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Daria Emmons Mon, Aug 24, 2009 8:15:29am |
re: #482 lawhawk
Backhanded at that - and lumping Charles in with some unsavory types.
Of course, one should rightfully question where the Times was in reporting on the misogyny in Afghanistan at the hands of the Taliban pre 2001, and up to today. It’s easy for the Left to complain about womens rights and the need to do something, but when action is truly needed, the Left complains that we need to respect local traditions, rights, and that action shouldn’t be taken by the US because we’re not quite perfect on those same issues.
The left sees these issues as talking points and fundraising tips, but not intent upon solving them - a more difficult task that sometimes requires action - military action.
This I agree with - but nonetheless, the article in no way smeared Charles or LGF as ‘sneaky ultra-rightie.’
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realwest Mon, Aug 24, 2009 8:15:33am |
re: #444 Last Mohican
Um, if my math is correct (WARNING!!) that means someone who is making $100,000 a year will pay a $2,500 a year fine - that’s a HELL OF A LOT cheaper than any private medical insurance premiums and a HELL OF A LOT CHEAPER than Medicare too.
And yes, there are some - mostly young and dumb - folks who don’t think they need health insurance anyway and many of them are making $100k a year or more.
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Last Mohican Mon, Aug 24, 2009 8:15:58am |
re: #460 Walter L. Newton
What I am digging into is insidious. Simply put, a Commission will decide for ALL health care insurance plans what is acceptable, private and public. If it doesn’t meet guidelines, you and/or you employer will be taxed. If you opt out of ANY health care, you will be taxed.
Employers will eventually just drop the coverage, because you can bet the guidelines will be oppressive, they will simply opt to pay the tax penalty and the citizen will be forced into a public system.
Remember, a private citizen HAS TO HAVE SOME SORT OF COVERAGE under this proposal, employed or not, or they will pay 2.5 percent tax of their modified adjusted gross annual income.
Again, that’s not true. If you decide to have no coverage at all, the IRS will tax you an amount equal to the insurance premium that you would have paid if you had the most basic insurance available in your area.
But I think your assessment of the Commissioner’s power is basically correct. There will be four levels of coverage available for any particular service area, and the Commissioner will dictate what will be entailed by those four levels of coverage. Any private insurer can decide to offer coverage at those levels. They can charge whatever premiums they want. However, the premiums that they charge the sickest and most healthy participants cannot vary more than 10%. And the Commissioner will dictate a minimum percentage of premiums that must be spent on health expenditures (i.e. they’ll dictate the maximum profit that can be made). Any additional premiums collected must be refunded to the participants. So the Commissioner would be free to establish a profit cutoff that was too low for any private insurer to operate, and that would drive them out of business.
Furthermore, the Commissioner could just bypass all that, deem that some private insurer didn’t meet some requirement for participating in the Exchange, and revoke their permission to operate for basically arbitrary reasons.
I see a lot of potential for extorting political donations out of private insurers.
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Ghost of a Dopefish Mon, Aug 24, 2009 8:16:37am |
re: #493 Daria Emmons
This I agree with - but nonetheless, the article in no way smeared Charles or LGF as ‘sneaky ultra-rightie.’
Read Mandy’s emphasized paragraph. “Hawkish sites” is a derogatory term aimed at those right-of-center places that are pro-war.
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JamesTKirk Mon, Aug 24, 2009 8:16:41am |
re: #487 laZardo
[Disclaimer: I am not suggesting/implying this sort of thing should be done. I’m just trying to figure out the rationale behind banning cellphones.]
Control.
They don’t want any pictures getting out that aren’t staged, any quotes that aren’t part of the message, etc.
If cellphones are allowed, then all of the stuttering, gaffes, and accidental honesty may be captured and up on YouTube where We The People might actually get to see it.
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Salamantis Mon, Aug 24, 2009 8:16:47am |
re: #486 Daria Emmons
I did not read the article that way at all.
MandyManners,
Just because some within the MSM believe the label of ‘hawk’s is derogatory hardly makes it so. By that logic, the term ‘Republican’ and ‘conservative’ is derogatory simply because some in the MSM believe it to be.
‘Hawk’ is not an inherently bad word, and only those who are already offended by the word ‘hawk’ would think poorly of LGF because that label was affixed to it.
I view ‘hawk’ as a good word - so I thus believe NYT complimented LGF.
The point is that the NYT doesn’t believe that the NYT complimented LGF; they think that they righteously chastized us for cynical coattail-riding heartstring-pulling manipulation.
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opnion Mon, Aug 24, 2009 8:16:47am |
re: #484 avanti
They know he’s is the area, but a call saying he’ll be at Joe’s Bar for a beer at 5 PM, is different.
What did someone act stupidly & win the “Beers with Obama” contest?
| 500 |
VioletTiger Mon, Aug 24, 2009 8:16:57am |
re: #470 realwest
Well I’m on Medicare and I pay about $225 A MONTH more than I paid on COBRA’d Private Medical insurance.
Someone’s paying for Medicare, but I are afraid it are us!
My mother spent most of her disposable income on ‘gap’ insurance to cover what medicare did not.
Whenever the government gets involved, it all goes to hell in a handbasket.
Didn’t somebody once say if the government ran the desert, we’d run out of sand?
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laZardo Mon, Aug 24, 2009 8:17:56am |
re: #494 realwest
Um, if my math is correct (WARNING!!) that means someone who is making $100,000 a year will pay a $2,500 a year fine - that’s a HELL OF A LOT cheaper than any private medical insurance premiums and a HELL OF A LOT CHEAPER than Medicare too.
And yes, there are some - mostly young and dumb - folks who don’t think they need health insurance anyway and many of them are making $100k a year or more.
It’s a hell of a lot cheaper until the actual bill comes along from a private insurer when something bad happens, especially considering that deductibles are probably at least $10K minimum by now.
But I do agree that there are a lot of “young and dumb” folks that think they don’t need health insurance, especially since they’re liable to run up some pretty high health costs themselves from their “habits.”
| 503 |
JamesTKirk Mon, Aug 24, 2009 8:18:20am |
re: #500 VioletTiger
Didn’t somebody once say if the government ran the desert, we’d run out of sand?
And if Microsoft sold a vacuum cleaner, it would be their first product that didn’t suck.
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Salamantis Mon, Aug 24, 2009 8:18:35am |
re: #490 MandyManners
Here is the paragraph in question:
Hawkish sites that have taken up feminism include Little Green Footballs, Jihad Watch and Horowitz’s FrontPage Magazine. On a recent day, the home page of the last featured reports of female prisoners being raped in Iran; prepubescent girls getting married in Gaza; and a possible honor killing by an immigrant in New York. This material is expected to help seal Horowitz’s general case for the war on terror, though he has not yet changed the name of his cause to, say, the war on misogyny.
The NYT is saying that the real war should not be against radical Islam but against misogyny.
And, yes, calling LGF “hawkish” IS a slur.
That last sentence in the paragraph you cited literally drips with gratuitous lip-curled snark.
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Daria Emmons Mon, Aug 24, 2009 8:19:27am |
re: #490 MandyManners
Here is the paragraph in question:
Hawkish sites that have taken up feminism include Little Green Footballs, Jihad Watch and Horowitz’s FrontPage Magazine. On a recent day, the home page of the last featured reports of female prisoners being raped in Iran; prepubescent girls getting married in Gaza; and a possible honor killing by an immigrant in New York. This material is expected to help seal Horowitz’s general case for the war on terror, though he has not yet changed the name of his cause to, say, the war on misogyny.
The NYT is saying that the real war should not be against radical Islam but against misogyny.
And, yes, calling LGF “hawkish” IS a slur.
Why is it a slur to call LGF ‘hawkish’?
If you are a proud liberal hawk, or a proud feminist hawk, then why should you be offended if others call you something you are proud to be? I am completely perplexed.
As far as what the NYT said in the underlying column - it really appeared to imply that if David Horowitz believed the war against women is more important than the underlying ‘war on terror,’ he should change his language to reflect that. Nowhere within the article did it say there is not a real war on terrorism. I actually agree with this helpful suggestion!
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Last Mohican Mon, Aug 24, 2009 8:19:31am |
re: #488 Walter L. Newton
READ “G” AGAIN
I don’t think “G” is particularly worrisome. If you have health insurance, you won’t be taxed. The Commissioner has the power to NOT tax someone for arbitrary reasons, but he doesn’t have the power to TAX someone for arbitrary reasons.
The real question, I think, is do you find it acceptable for the government to require you to have health insurance (i.e. by making you pay for it even if you don’t want to). I’m not sure how I feel about that. The theory is, I suppose, if you get sick and go to an Emergency Room, you’ll get treated, whether you have insurance or not. And the rest of us, who do have insurance, will end up paying for you. And that, the theory goes, isn’t fair.
I guess it’s sort of like how you have to pay taxes to support the police department and the fire department, even if you never get robbed and your house never catches fire.
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Beach Lover Mon, Aug 24, 2009 8:19:36am |
re: #485 redstateredneck
I hate to admit this, but I have Farmville open in another window and my work open in a third. Hope I don’t get things mixed up.
well…heck, you have 2 hrs to get those berries harvested! I’m so dismayed with my “neighbors” who have let their crops die!
but…have you been accused of being obssesed yet?
/must admit I have a teensie problem with re-arranging my trees
lol
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realwest Mon, Aug 24, 2009 8:20:12am |
re: #447 Kenneth
Hey Kenneth - this could turn out to be fun though.
According to this: [Link: www.washingtonpost.com…]
“Any infractions of the rules were met with anger at CIA because we realized this was a program that had to stay meticulously within the guidelines,” the official said. He noted that after the IG’s report was completed in 2004, the document was reviewed by administration and congressional officials, who allowed the program to continue despite its flaws.
[emphasis added, realwest]
| 509 |
Killgore Trout Mon, Aug 24, 2009 8:20:24am |
Attn: feminist hawks…
Malaysian Authorities Postpone Whipping of Woman
Malaysian authorities on Monday gave a last-minute, temporary reprieve to a Muslim woman sentenced to whipping for drinking alcohol in a case that has stirred passions over the increasingly strict enforcement of Islamic law in recent years in the multicultural country.
Kartika Sari Dewi Shukarno, a 32-year-old nurse who confessed to violating Islamic laws by drinking beer in a hotel lobby, was picked up by prison authorities on Monday but was then quickly released. The authorities said Ms. Kartika’s punishment — which would be the first whipping for a woman under the country’s Islamic laws — would be carried out in September, after the Muslim fasting month of Ramadan was over.
“The sentence remains,” Mohamed Sahfri Abdul Aziz, the head of religious affairs in Pahang state said, according to Malaysian media accounts. “She has been released but only temporarily.”
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laZardo Mon, Aug 24, 2009 8:20:31am |
I’m a chicken hawk.
i.e. a hawk that preys on chickens. ‘Cept that big one with the thick Southern accent, keeps convincing me that a cat is a chicken.
/ q:
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Walter L. Newton Mon, Aug 24, 2009 8:21:05am |
re: #495 Last Mohican
Again, that’s not true. If you decide to have no coverage at all, the IRS will tax you an amount equal to the insurance premium that you would have paid if you had the most basic insurance available in your area.
But I think your assessment of the Commissioner’s power is basically correct. There will be four levels of coverage available for any particular service area, and the Commissioner will dictate what will be entailed by those four levels of coverage. Any private insurer can decide to offer coverage at those levels. They can charge whatever premiums they want. However, the premiums that they charge the sickest and most healthy participants cannot vary more than 10%. And the Commissioner will dictate a minimum percentage of premiums that must be spent on health expenditures (i.e. they’ll dictate the maximum profit that can be made). Any additional premiums collected must be refunded to the participants. So the Commissioner would be free to establish a profit cutoff that was too low for any private insurer to operate, and that would drive them out of business.
Furthermore, the Commissioner could just bypass all that, deem that some private insurer didn’t meet some requirement for participating in the Exchange, and revoke their permission to operate for basically arbitrary reasons.
I see a lot of potential for extorting political donations out of private insurers.
Like I said, I was trying to illuminate the general guidelines in topmost levels of this. I want people to look into the details and lay it out, piece by piece.
Thanks for the clarifications.
What bothers me the most, and not really addresses yet in the proposed bill, is how the government is suppose to keep track of all this coverage, who has what, what plans are and aren’t acceptable and so on.
This is going to be a big intrusion into our privacy, period.
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Ghost of a Dopefish Mon, Aug 24, 2009 8:21:34am |
re: #511 MandyManners
*throws hands up in the air*
{Mandy}
There are some days you can’t just win. That’s when you just have to GAZE for a while.
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sattv4u2 Mon, Aug 24, 2009 8:22:04am |
re: #505 Daria Emmons
Why is it a slur to call LGF ‘hawkish’?
If you are a proud liberal hawk, or a proud feminist hawk, then why should you be offended if others call you something you are proud to be? I am completely perplexed.
As far as what the NYT said in the underlying column - it really appeared to imply that if David Horowitz believed the war against women is more important than the underlying ‘war on terror,’ he should change his language to reflect that. Nowhere within the article did it say there is not a real war on terrorism. I actually agree with this helpful suggestion!
HAWK became the “lefts buzzword” for loon in the same way that “LIBERAL” became the rights buzzword for it
In that the NYT is unquestionably left leaning, if you can’t draw the conclusion as to what their intent is I’m sorry
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redstateredneck Mon, Aug 24, 2009 8:22:10am |
re: #507 Beach Lover
well…heck, you have 2 hrs to get those berries harvested! I’m so dismayed with my “neighbors” who have let their crops die!
but…have you been accused of being obssesed yet?
/must admit I have a teensie problem with re-arranging my trees
lol
I was just looking at cape coddah’s farm and thinking I needed to rearrange…
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realwest Mon, Aug 24, 2009 8:22:19am |
re: #452 Beach Lover
Hey hi there {Beachie} just the usual I reckon. How are you doing today?
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Daria Emmons Mon, Aug 24, 2009 8:22:38am |
re: #498 Salamantis
The point is that the NYT doesn’t believe that the NYT complimented LGF; they think that they righteously chastized us for cynical coattail-riding heartstring-pulling manipulation.
Who cares what the NYT ‘thinks’?
All that matters is what the NYT wrote.
And it did not ‘smear’ LGF as a ‘sneakie ultra-rightie.’ That is the bottom line.
It takes ten layes of reading into the article to even come up with any argument that the NYT smeared LGF, and they all center upon the argument that somehow it is a shameful thing (or should be shameful) to be a ‘hawk,’ which I completely disagree with.
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VioletTiger Mon, Aug 24, 2009 8:22:47am |
re: #507 Beach Lover
well…heck, you have 2 hrs to get those berries harvested! I’m so dismayed with my “neighbors” who have let their crops die!
but…have you been accused of being obssesed yet?
/must admit I have a teensie problem with re-arranging my trees
lol
I just hear about this Farmville thing at a party yesterday. I couldn’t believe how many adults were talking about harvesting their virtual crops! They seemed to be having great fun with it.
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JamesTKirk Mon, Aug 24, 2009 8:23:42am |
re: #510 laZardo
I’m a chicken hawk.
i.e. a hawk that preys on chickens. ‘Cept that big one with the thick Southern accent, keeps convincing me that a cat is a chicken.
/ q:
I say I say!
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Salamantis Mon, Aug 24, 2009 8:23:45am |
The war is indeed against jihadi terrorism. But that terrorism is being employed to further the jihadi causes of fundamentalist misogyny, homophobia, antisemitism, and religio-cultural imperialism.
I don’t see the NYT piece as doing anything but ignoring or minimizing such concerns, and practically claiming that they are being fabricated or abused by hawks to serve their ‘hegemonistic’ ends.
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Rancher Mon, Aug 24, 2009 8:23:46am |
re: #506 Last Mohican
The real question, I think, is do you find it acceptable for the government to require you to have health insurance (i.e. by making you pay for it even if you don’t want to). I’m not sure how I feel about that.
I find it unconstitutional.
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avanti Mon, Aug 24, 2009 8:24:04am |
re: #491 sattv4u2
How so? Why now? When the Clintons vactioned there the press knew every house party they were invited too. They were there every time Bill took Chelsea to that Ice Cream shop they liked, taking photos of them in and out of it.
Perhaps because this POTUS is more threatened then most, but basically I have no problem with any measures intended to protect the POTUS or even to give him and the family a bit of privacy on vacation.
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wrenchwench Mon, Aug 24, 2009 8:24:12am |
I don’t call myself a feminist, so I wouldn’t call someone else that either. But Charles is the most respectful and seemingly understanding person when it comes to women that I’ve read. And that’s reading men’s and women’s writing.
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Ghost of a Dopefish Mon, Aug 24, 2009 8:24:15am |
re: #519 Daria Emmons
We never said it was shameful to US. However, the NYT clearly intends for it to be shameful, and so we find ourselves pseudo-insulted by a bunch of louts who are flushing their own business down the toilet and don’t really care.
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VioletTiger Mon, Aug 24, 2009 8:25:05am |
re: #512 Walter L. Newton
Like I said, I was trying to illuminate the general guidelines in topmost levels of this. I want people to look into the details and lay it out, piece by piece.
Thanks for the clarifications.
What bothers me the most, and not really addresses yet in the proposed bill, is how the government is suppose to keep track of all this coverage, who has what, what plans are and aren’t acceptable and so on.
This is going to be a big intrusion into our privacy, period.
It would be a huge intrusion. But apparently, it is fine by the same people who find scanning communications for terrorist activity to be abhorrent.
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Salamantis Mon, Aug 24, 2009 8:25:08am |
re: #515 sattv4u2
HAWK became the “lefts buzzword” for loon in the same way that “LIBERAL” became the rights buzzword for it
In that the NYT is unquestionably left leaning, if you can’t draw the conclusion as to what their intent is I’m sorry
It’s a problem of perception - or, that is, the lack of it. Daria is left-leaning too, and fish cannot see the water in which they swim.
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Danny Mon, Aug 24, 2009 8:25:10am |
The general tenor of LGF never struck me as “hawkish,” although I’d still like it even if it were.
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wrenchwench Mon, Aug 24, 2009 8:25:14am |
re: #525 wrenchwench
I don’t call myself a feminist, so I wouldn’t call someone else that either. But Charles is the most respectful and seemingly understanding person when it comes to women that I’ve read. And that’s reading men’s and women’s writing.
And that is not something “recent.”
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Kenneth Mon, Aug 24, 2009 8:25:22am |
To the NYT, anybody who does not reflexively support Obama’s policy of preemptive surrender and pandering to dictators is “hawkish”. They would probably call Neville Chamberlain a “warmonger”.
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Daria Emmons Mon, Aug 24, 2009 8:25:26am |
re: #515 sattv4u2
HAWK became the “lefts buzzword” for loon in the same way that “LIBERAL” became the rights buzzword for it
In that the NYT is unquestionably left leaning, if you can’t draw the conclusion as to what their intent is I’m sorry
Who cares what the NYT’s buzzwords are?
Are we proud to be liberal hawks or not? If we are proud to be liberal hawks, then the NYT article was accurate and not defamatory, nor a smear.
And I also liked the article’s helpful suggestion of turning the phrase ‘war on terror’ into a ‘war against misogyny.’
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Vicious Babushka Mon, Aug 24, 2009 8:25:46am |
re: #520 VioletTiger
I just hear about this Farmville thing at a party yesterday. I couldn’t believe how many adults were talking about harvesting their virtual crops! They seemed to be having great fun with it.
My daughter is addicted to this game, but I just can’t get into it.
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avanti Mon, Aug 24, 2009 8:25:53am |
re: #499 opnion
What did someone act stupidly & win the “Beers with Obama” contest?
Even with ACORNS help, I lost that contest./
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scottishbuzzsaw Mon, Aug 24, 2009 8:26:04am |
Good morning, Lizard Clan!
Taking a break from moving prep to wish you all a happy Monday morn!
Oh, and to say…
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Ghost of a Dopefish Mon, Aug 24, 2009 8:26:55am |
re: #533 Alouette
My daughter is addicted to this game, but I just can’t get into it.
SimFarm gone viral.
(For those of you who don’t know what SimFarm is… SHAME ON YOU.)
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Danny Mon, Aug 24, 2009 8:26:56am |
I guess I must have missed all of Charles’ feminist/anti-misogyny posts, too.
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Beach Lover Mon, Aug 24, 2009 8:27:07am |
re: #516 redstateredneck
how many neighbors do you have?
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sattv4u2 Mon, Aug 24, 2009 8:27:53am |
re: #524 avanti
Perhaps because this POTUS is more threatened then most, but basically I have no problem with any measures intended to protect the POTUS or even to give him and the family a bit of privacy on vacation.
Yeah, cause Marthas Vineyard is a known haven for lots of skin head/ neo nazis/ especially in the press corps!
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VioletTiger Mon, Aug 24, 2009 8:28:01am |
re: #533 Alouette
My daughter is addicted to this game, but I just can’t get into it.
I can’t see myself planting any virtual corn anytime soon, either. ;)
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realwest Mon, Aug 24, 2009 8:28:08am |
re: #481 opnion
Ok Mister, report to your nearest reeducation camp.
NO! Who the fuck do you…uh, say, are those um, firearms y’all are carrying?!
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Beach Lover Mon, Aug 24, 2009 8:28:22am |
re: #520 VioletTiger
want to be my neighbor?
/channeling Mr. Rogers
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opnion Mon, Aug 24, 2009 8:28:34am |
re: #524 avanti
Perhaps because this POTUS is more threatened then most, but basically I have no problem with any measures intended to protect the POTUS or even to give him and the family a bit of privacy on vacation.
But he demands preferential treatment, “Don’t mention my ears, Don’t mention my middle name.” & now he wants to control the news.
He he interviewed for this job, it goes with the territoty.
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Daria Emmons Mon, Aug 24, 2009 8:28:57am |
re: #531 Kenneth
To the NYT, anybody who does not reflexively support Obama’s policy of preemptive surrender and pandering to dictators is “hawkish”. They would probably call Neville Chamberlain a “warmonger”.
All true - but that hardly makes it an insult if one is called a ‘hawk’ by the NYT.
People, we are letting the other side define the English language for us if this measly article offends us. I say we should TAKE BACK the English language, and be PROUD to be a feminist hawk!
Who gives a flying fig what the NYT thinks a ‘hawk’ really means? I am PROUD to be a liberal and feminist hawk, and HONORED by that article and its useful suggestion for calling the war on terror a war against misogyny!
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laZardo Mon, Aug 24, 2009 8:29:27am |
re: #520 VioletTiger
I just hear about this Farmville thing at a party yesterday. I couldn’t believe how many adults were talking about harvesting their virtual crops! They seemed to be having great fun with it.
Level 23 myself. Should be harvesting Coffee tomorrow morning.
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Walter L. Newton Mon, Aug 24, 2009 8:29:57am |
re: #527 VioletTiger
It would be a huge intrusion. But apparently, it is fine by the same people who find scanning communications for terrorist activity to be abhorrent.
And I really think that this is the most insidious part of the proposed bill. The bottom line is they are trying to tell you that you will have acceptable coverage, someway, somehow and it’s going to cost someone, somewhere if you don’t.
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redstateredneck Mon, Aug 24, 2009 8:30:14am |
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opnion Mon, Aug 24, 2009 8:30:29am |
re: #534 avanti
Even with ACORNS help, I lost that contest./
I’d like to have beers with Clinton. Get him a little liquored up & I’ll bet that he could tell some real entertaining stories.
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Beach Lover Mon, Aug 24, 2009 8:30:30am |
re: #517 realwest
I’m doing well…didya get my email?
and…whats this I hear about the south having a cool period?! Its still H & H out there today, uh?
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JamesTKirk Mon, Aug 24, 2009 8:30:30am |
re: #540 VioletTiger
I can’t see myself planting any virtual corn anytime soon, either. ;)
How about sowing wild oats?
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avanti Mon, Aug 24, 2009 8:30:35am |
re: #539 sattv4u2
Yeah, cause Marthas Vineyard is a known haven for lots of skin head/ neo nazis/ especially in the press corps!
OK, I’m done discussing this trivial issue since I have stated my opinion.
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Mad Al-Jaffee Mon, Aug 24, 2009 8:30:45am |
re: #535 scottishbuzzsaw
Good morning, Lizard Clan!
Taking a break from moving prep to wish you all a happy Monday morn!
Oh, and to say…
Great pic! My nephew loved it when I taught him how to make a Pringles beak a couple of years ago.
Yesterday I taught him how to make more audible armpit fart noises. We’re really bonding.
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Walter L. Newton Mon, Aug 24, 2009 8:31:01am |
re: #548 opnion
I’d like to have beers with Clinton. Get him a little liquored up & I’ll bet that he could tell some real entertaining stories.
Not any I would want to hear.
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VioletTiger Mon, Aug 24, 2009 8:31:30am |
re: #545 laZardo
Level 23 myself. Should be harvesting Coffee tomorrow morning.
Mmmm coffee!
I’ll trade you for some Jersey tomatoes!
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Lincolntf Mon, Aug 24, 2009 8:31:39am |
re: #544 Daria Emmons
“…and its useful suggestion for calling the war on terror a war against misogyny!…”
You might like the phrase, but it’s totally inaccurate. We’re not fighting over the treatment of women. We’re fighting to preserve the lives and freedoms of all who have been targeted by the bloodthirsty animals of Al-Qaeda, the Taliban, etc.
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opnion Mon, Aug 24, 2009 8:31:56am |
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redstateredneck Mon, Aug 24, 2009 8:31:58am |
re: #548 opnion
I’d like to have beers with Clinton. Get him a little liquored up & I’ll bet that he could tell some real entertaining stories.
I’d be afraid he’d grab me and bite my lip.
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laZardo Mon, Aug 24, 2009 8:31:58am |
re: #544 Daria Emmons
All true - but that hardly makes it an insult if one is called a ‘hawk’ by the NYT.
People, we are letting the other side define the English language for us if this measly article offends us. I say we should TAKE BACK the English language, and be PROUD to be a feminist hawk!
Who gives a flying fig what the NYT thinks a ‘hawk’ really means? I am PROUD to be a liberal and feminist hawk, and HONORED by that article and its useful suggestion for calling the war on terror a war against misogyny!
I’m going to have to side with you on this one, as LGF has tended to adopt practically everything in the anti-Semitic conspiracy nutjob lexicon as a humorous evil-genius-style compliment (up to and including “honcos”).
I will disagree with you though when you mention the war on terror isn’t a war on misogyny. Part of the war on terror is the war on misogyny, particularly the sort of misogyny that far-right Islamic fundamentalist extremists impose on the female (and female-leaning) members of their society.
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realwest Mon, Aug 24, 2009 8:32:01am |
re: #484 avanti
They know he’s is the area, but a call saying he’ll be at Joe’s Bar for a beer at 5 PM, is different.
ROTFLMAO!! Wonder if it’s Joe the former, licensed plumbers assistant’s bar? Otherwise I still don’t see any compromise on his security - have y’all ever been to Martha’s Vineyard avanti? Hell you leave your house and within 2 minutes anyone who cares will know where you’re going!!
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avanti Mon, Aug 24, 2009 8:32:30am |
re: #548 opnion
I’d like to have beers with Clinton. Get him a little liquored up & I’ll bet that he could tell some real entertaining stories.
I’d take him to casino with me. A hour after he worked the floor, he’d half a half dozen bimbo’s in my suite’s hot tub.
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laZardo Mon, Aug 24, 2009 8:32:52am |
re: #559 realwest
ROTFLMAO!! Wonder if it’s Joe the former, licensed plumbers assistant’s bar? Otherwise I still don’t see any compromise on his security - have y’all ever been to Martha’s Vineyard avanti? Hell you leave your house and within 2 minutes anyone who cares will know where you’re going!!
And especially, don’t fly.
/braces
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, Aug 24, 2009 8:32:52am |
I hope the President enjoys his vacation and returns as a free-market believer!
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Kenneth Mon, Aug 24, 2009 8:33:05am |
I love it when Liberals attack each other! Smells like moonbats frying!
It seems dear Michael “Iggy” Ignatieff, the leader of the Canadian Liberal Party, isn’t sufficiently socialist for some people. Hell, he doesn’t even hate America! We’ve got to do something about it!
Hhahaha!
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SteveC Mon, Aug 24, 2009 8:33:06am |
re: #531 Kenneth
To the NYT, anybody who does not reflexively support Obama’s policy of preemptive surrender and pandering to dictators is “hawkish”. They would probably call Neville Chamberlain a “warmonger”.
“Chamberlain? Chamberlain? It’s that damn Churchill who’s going to get us all killed!”
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laZardo Mon, Aug 24, 2009 8:33:26am |
re: #554 VioletTiger
I don’t know if they’ll let me gift that in Farmville. q;
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SurferDoc Mon, Aug 24, 2009 8:33:39am |
re: #546 Walter L. Newton
And I really think that this is the most insidious part of the proposed bill. The bottom line is they are trying to tell you that you will have acceptable coverage, someway, somehow and it’s going to cost someone, somewhere if you don’t.
The bottom line is that they are going to make those who actually pay taxes pay for their own coverage and someone else as well.
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realwest Mon, Aug 24, 2009 8:33:47am |
re: #487 laZardo Hey my friend - y’all would get better, sharper resolution photos from a recon satellite anyway!
Not suggesting, etc. etc.
It’s just bullshit.
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opnion Mon, Aug 24, 2009 8:33:59am |
re: #557 redstateredneck
I’d be afraid he’d grab me and bite my lip.
A rational fear. I would love to hear the story of Hillary throwing ashtrays etc. at him & the Secret Service coming to the rescue.
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scottishbuzzsaw Mon, Aug 24, 2009 8:34:04am |
re: #552 Mad Al-Jaffee
Great pic! My nephew loved it when I taught him how to make a Pringles beak a couple of years ago.
Yesterday I taught him how to make more audible armpit fart noises. We’re really bonding.
LOL! You are fulfilling your avuncular duties admirably!
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sattv4u2 Mon, Aug 24, 2009 8:35:16am |
re: #559 realwest
ROTFLMAO!! Wonder if it’s Joe the former, licensed plumbers assistant’s bar? Otherwise I still don’t see any compromise on his security - have y’all ever been to Martha’s Vineyard avanti? Hell you leave your house and within 2 minutes anyone who cares will know where you’re going!!
See 491 and 539. And you are correct. I have worked on the Vineyard (as well as . I know it well Nantucket
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VioletTiger Mon, Aug 24, 2009 8:36:00am |
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sattv4u2 Mon, Aug 24, 2009 8:36:49am |
re: #562 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
I hope the President enjoys his vacation and returns as a free-market believer!
Unlikely
He;s going to MARTHAS VINEYARD. He’s going to be surrounded by people that are even MORE left than he is
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Lincolntf Mon, Aug 24, 2009 8:36:50am |
re: #559 realwest
That’s what I was thinking. I’ve been over a bunch of times, and if you aren’t on one of the main roads bisecting the island, your ultimate destination (beach, shops, cliffs, pier, etc.) is obvious to everyone who sees you traveling. You simply can’t vary routes or ‘double back” or anything like that. Unless you want to crawl through acres of mega-prickly beach plum bushes.
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Salamantis Mon, Aug 24, 2009 8:36:59am |
re: #544 Daria Emmons
All true - but that hardly makes it an insult if one is called a ‘hawk’ by the NYT.
People, we are letting the other side define the English language for us if this measly article offends us. I say we should TAKE BACK the English language, and be PROUD to be a feminist hawk!
Who gives a flying fig what the NYT thinks a ‘hawk’ really means? I am PROUD to be a liberal and feminist hawk, and HONORED by that article and its useful suggestion for calling the war on terror a war against misogyny!
Gays have reclaimed the word ‘faggot’ as a word in which to invest personal pride; that doesn’t mean that homophobes intend it that way when they use it.
The same thing goes when the NYT uses the word ‘hawk.’
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Daria Emmons Mon, Aug 24, 2009 8:37:14am |
re: #555 Lincolntf
“…and its useful suggestion for calling the war on terror a war against misogyny!…”
You might like the phrase, but it’s totally inaccurate. We’re not fighting over the treatment of women. We’re fighting to preserve the lives and freedoms of all who have been targeted by the bloodthirsty animals of Al-Qaeda, the Taliban, etc.
The war on terror is the most unuseful term of them all. In fact, terror is a TACTIC and not an ideology.
We are fighting an ideology, not a tactic. And that ideology does include misogyny as one of its foremost tenets.
Other aspects of the ideology we fight: (a) freedom of religion; (b) freedom of expression; (c) the right to assembly; (d) the right to a fair trial; (e) equality for all (not just women, but also children, religious minorities, and gays); I could go on.
The point is that ‘war against misogyny’ is an exactly accurate depiction of one aspect of the war that we fight. It is a fundamental human rights for a woman to not have to be covered up in the beekeper’s outfits, to not be honor killed/stoned, to not be beaten, to be allowed a profession and livelihood, to not have clitorectomies, and to be allowed to simply get an education. These are basic human rights, which are being denied women in Islamic countries and societies.
Why do we fight? Not because of ‘terrorism,’ (a tactic) but because of the ideology behind Islamic supremacism and its devastating threat to humanity itself.
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fat bastard vegetarian Mon, Aug 24, 2009 8:37:36am |
Hey everybody, my niece is leaving for Afganistan. Woo Hoo!
Her words…
“I will give the Afghanistan people every opportunity to die for their country!!!”
I just love my niece. She’s a total bad-ass! Mother of two beautiful children. Y’all pray for her safe return, okay?
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realwest Mon, Aug 24, 2009 8:38:21am |
re: #496 thedopefishlives
Waitaminute here, I thought LGF was in support of the GWoT? We’re not? When the hell did that change?
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Daria Emmons Mon, Aug 24, 2009 8:38:35am |
re: #558 laZardo
I will disagree with you though when you mention the war on terror isn’t a war on misogyny. Part of the war on terror is the war on misogyny, particularly the sort of misogyny that far-right Islamic fundamentalist extremists impose on the female (and female-leaning) members of their society.
I think you misread what I wrote - in fact I said the war on terror is a war against misogyny.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, Aug 24, 2009 8:39:06am |
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laZardo Mon, Aug 24, 2009 8:39:28am |
re: #576 fat bastard vegetarian
Channeling Patton, I see. q;
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sattv4u2 Mon, Aug 24, 2009 8:39:35am |
re: #574 Salamantis
Gays have reclaimed the word ‘faggot’ as a word in which to invest personal pride; that doesn’t mean that homophobes intend it that way when they use it.
The same thing goes when the NYT uses the word ‘hawk.’
Excellent parralel
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realwest Mon, Aug 24, 2009 8:39:38am |
re: #500 VioletTiger
My mother spent most of her disposable income on ‘gap’ insurance to cover what medicare did not.
Whenever the government gets involved, it all goes to hell in a handbasket.
Didn’t somebody once say if the government ran the desert, we’d run out of sand?
I don’t know if anyone did, but unless it was said by someone really famous, I’m SO stealing that line!!
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, Aug 24, 2009 8:40:06am |
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Mad Al-Jaffee Mon, Aug 24, 2009 8:40:10am |
re: #569 scottishbuzzsaw
LOL! You are fulfilling your avuncular duties admirably!
Yesterday he turned me onto Achmed the Dead Terrorist. Very stupid video, but it made me laugh. Now I know it’s okay to get him some PG rated dvds for his upcoming 9th birthday.
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Daria Emmons Mon, Aug 24, 2009 8:40:17am |
re: #574 Salamantis
Gays have reclaimed the word ‘faggot’ as a word in which to invest personal pride; that doesn’t mean that homophobes intend it that way when they use it.
The same thing goes when the NYT uses the word ‘hawk.’
Again - please explain why the term ‘hawk’ is particularly derogatory or evidence of the NYT saying LGF is a ‘sneaky ultra-rightie’ site.
And since when were ultra-righties ever called feminists?
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Danny Mon, Aug 24, 2009 8:40:18am |
re: #576 fat bastard vegetarian
Hey everybody, my niece is leaving for Afganistan. Woo Hoo!
Her words…
I just love my niece. She’s a total bad-ass! Mother of two beautiful children. Y’all pray for her safe return, okay?
Godspeed
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Mad Al-Jaffee Mon, Aug 24, 2009 8:41:40am |
re: #548 opnion
I’d like to have beers with Clinton. Get him a little liquored up & I’ll bet that he could tell some real entertaining stories.
Question of the day - which presidnet would you most like to drink with?
I’m thinking Teddy Roosevelt would be fun, but there’s probably danger that he might challenge you to a boxing or wrestling match.
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Spenser (with an S) Mon, Aug 24, 2009 8:41:42am |
3 Wood, you still here? I have an interview with a forex-trading firm tomorrow and wondered if you had any insights into that crazy world that might help make me sound smarter…
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Last Mohican Mon, Aug 24, 2009 8:41:52am |
re: #576 fat bastard vegetarian
Hey everybody, my niece is leaving for Afganistan. Woo Hoo!
Her words…
I just love my niece. She’s a total bad-ass! Mother of two beautiful children. Y’all pray for her safe return, okay?
Absolutely. And tell her kids that they should be proud of their mom, because we all are.
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Lincolntf Mon, Aug 24, 2009 8:42:02am |
re: #575 Daria Emmons
“Why do we fight? Not because of ‘terrorism,’ (a tactic) but because of the ideology behind Islamic supremacism and its devastating threat to humanity itself.”
Then why don’t we call it the war against Islamic supremacism?
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haakondahl Mon, Aug 24, 2009 8:42:10am |
re: #552 Mad Al-Jaffee
Great pic! My nephew loved it when I taught him how to make a Pringles beak a couple of years ago.
Yesterday I taught him how to make more audible armpit fart noises. We’re really bonding.
Taught my five-year old how to throw elbows today (forearm only, and never at girls unless he wants his ass kicked by a pro), and play it off. We’re re-connecting.
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MandyManners Mon, Aug 24, 2009 8:42:32am |
re: #574 Salamantis
Gays have reclaimed the word ‘faggot’ as a word in which to invest personal pride; that doesn’t mean that homophobes intend it that way when they use it.
The same thing goes when the NYT uses the word ‘hawk.’
Same for the “n” word.
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Kosh's Shadow Mon, Aug 24, 2009 8:42:43am |
re: #574 Salamantis
Gays have reclaimed the word ‘faggot’ as a word in which to invest personal pride; that doesn’t mean that homophobes intend it that way when they use it.
The same thing goes when the NYT uses the word ‘hawk.’
Reminds me of a couple of lines from Bored of the Rings:
“Yalu, yalu!” shouted their leader, brandishing a huge faggot.
“You dieth, GI” shouted the faggot.
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Daria Emmons Mon, Aug 24, 2009 8:43:32am |
re: #591 Lincolntf
“Why do we fight? Not because of ‘terrorism,’ (a tactic) but because of the ideology behind Islamic supremacism and its devastating threat to humanity itself.”
Then why don’t we call it the war against Islamic supremacism?
We should - but somehow this offends people as ‘Islamophobic.’
It is nonetheless accurate to say part of the war against Islamic Supremacism is a war against misogyny.
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scottishbuzzsaw Mon, Aug 24, 2009 8:43:51am |
re: #585 Mad Al-Jaffee
Yesterday he turned me onto Achmed the Dead Terrorist. Very stupid video, but it made me laugh. Now I know it’s okay to get him some PG rated dvds for his upcoming 9th birthday.
Would that be the fellow who yells “Silence! I keeel you…?”
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BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey Mon, Aug 24, 2009 8:43:55am |
re: #588 Mad Al-Jaffee
Question of the day - which presidnet would you most like to drink with?
I’m thinking Teddy Roosevelt would be fun, but there’s probably danger that he might challenge you to a boxing or wrestling match.
I’d love to say Franklin, but he was never President.
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Daria Emmons Mon, Aug 24, 2009 8:44:06am |
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Mad Al-Jaffee Mon, Aug 24, 2009 8:44:16am |
re: #592 haakondahl
Taught my five-year old how to throw elbows today (forearm only, and never at girls unless he wants his ass kicked by a pro), and play it off. We’re re-connecting.
I tried to show my nephew a little bit about a basic fighting stance and how to throw a punch, but he wasn’t patient enough. But it was fun practicing the inside and outside defense I learned in Krav Maga against his punches and kicks.
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Vicious Babushka Mon, Aug 24, 2009 8:44:16am |
re: #592 haakondahl
Taught my five-year old how to throw elbows today (forearm only, and never at girls unless he wants his ass kicked by a pro), and play it off. We’re re-connecting.
My five-year-old grandson is already preparing to become an Evil Overlord when he grows up. Even before he grows up.
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MandyManners Mon, Aug 24, 2009 8:44:44am |
re: #588 Mad Al-Jaffee
Question of the day - which presidnet would you most like to drink with?
I’m thinking Teddy Roosevelt would be fun, but there’s probably danger that he might challenge you to a boxing or wrestling match.
Johnson. He was a real handful.
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laZardo Mon, Aug 24, 2009 8:44:50am |
re: #594 Kosh’s Shadow
Reminds me of a couple of lines from Bored of the Rings:
“Yalu, yalu!” shouted their leader, brandishing a huge faggot.
“You dieth, GI” shouted the faggot.
Wasn’t it that “faggot” referred to a bundle of sticks back in Old English?
Because a bundle of sticks happened to be the symbol of the Italian fascists.
/no wonder they were so repressed/repressive.
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SteveC Mon, Aug 24, 2009 8:44:52am |
re: #568 opnion
A rational fear. I would love to hear the story of Hillary throwing ashtrays etc. at him & the Secret Service coming to the rescue.
With the Secret Service legally obligated to protect the President, I’ve always wondered what their policy is when a domestic dispute turns physical.
“Control, disturbance in the Lincoln Bedroom! Eagle is down, and Temptress is pissed! I haven’t seen fists flying like this since Eagle was at that prizefight in Vegas.”
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Killgore Trout Mon, Aug 24, 2009 8:45:02am |
Long Beach artist’s illustrations of a new take on Koran
TERROR: “Sura 44 (A—B)” shows the towers of the World Trade Center on Sept. 11.
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midwestgak Mon, Aug 24, 2009 8:45:13am |
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realwest Mon, Aug 24, 2009 8:45:28am |
re: #535 scottishbuzzsaw
Hi there {scotti} - and QUACK back atcha (that was cute, btw!).
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MandyManners Mon, Aug 24, 2009 8:45:42am |
re: #599 Daria Emmons
Since when is the word ‘hawk’ similar to the ‘n word’?
Because they both can be used as slurs.
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midwestgak Mon, Aug 24, 2009 8:45:48am |
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doppelganglander Mon, Aug 24, 2009 8:45:58am |
Just read the NYT piece and haven’t read the comments. My immediate impression is that the NYT is accusing David Horowitz (and Charles, etc.) of jumping on the feminist bandwagon opportunistically to gain support for the anti-jihad movement. The author seems to think Horowitz et al. are trying to fool “real” feminists. She writes as if there’s something wrong with presenting one’s message in a way a particular audience will understand. I wouldn’t call it a smear, but she seems very suspicious of Horowitz’s motives (and, by extension, those of Charles and the other bloggers she mentions).
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Mad Al-Jaffee Mon, Aug 24, 2009 8:46:00am |
re: #597 scottishbuzzsaw
Would that be the fellow who yells “Silence! I keeel you…?”
Yeah, the skeleton puppet. My nephew loves it, even though a lot of the more adult jokes go way over his head.
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Charles Johnson Mon, Aug 24, 2009 8:46:01am |
re: #475 Daria Emmons
I honestly think Charles is only upset that LGF was placed within the same sentence as Jihad Watch.
Don’t be ridiculous.
But nowhere in the article was LGF ‘smeared’ as a ‘sneaky ultra-rightie.’
The intent of that paragraph is clear as glass: to imply that LGF is only latching onto the feminism issue to justify continuing the hawkish war on terror.
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sattv4u2 Mon, Aug 24, 2009 8:46:50am |
re: #586 Daria Emmons
Again - please explain why the term ‘hawk’ is particularly derogatory or evidence of the NYT saying LGF is a ‘sneaky ultra-rightie’ site.
And since when were ultra-righties ever called feminists?
He DID explain it to you, very eloquently in #574
That you don’t understand and/ or agree with his explanation is a YOU problem, not HIS problem
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MandyManners Mon, Aug 24, 2009 8:46:54am |
re: #603 laZardo
Wasn’t it that “faggot” referred to a bundle of sticks back in Old English?
Because a bundle of sticks happened to be the symbol of the Italian fascists.
/no wonder they were so repressed/repressive.
Didn’t the authorities once use homosexual males as “fuel” when they burned witches at the stake?
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Salamantis Mon, Aug 24, 2009 8:46:55am |
re: #586 Daria Emmons
Again - please explain why the term ‘hawk’ is particularly derogatory or evidence of the NYT saying LGF is a ‘sneaky ultra-rightie’ site.
The NYT is anti-GWOT, to the point of having hamstrung several of our intelligence operations by outing them in their pages. To them, to be a hawk - that is, to be in favor of the robust pursuit of the GWOT - is a Very Bad Thing.
And since when were ultra-righties ever called feminists?
You’re right; they’re not generally considered to be. And therein lies the rub.
The clear implication is that the hawks listed are still at least secretly misogynistic themselves, and are cynically and dishonestly shilling the issue not for its own sake, but in order to further their GWOT-pursuing aims.
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Kosh's Shadow Mon, Aug 24, 2009 8:47:05am |
re: #601 Alouette
My five-year-old grandson is already preparing to become an Evil Overlord when he grows up. Even before he grows up.
Make sure he’s familiar with the 100 things an evil overlord should do, once he’s old enough to read.
And remember #12:
One of my advisors will be an average five-year-old child. Any flaws in my plan that he is able to spot will be corrected before implementation.
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Lincolntf Mon, Aug 24, 2009 8:47:11am |
re: #595 Daria Emmons
It’s certainly a part of it. And I’m sure nobody really wants to “re-label” the war as the War Against Misogyny, but I wonder if this isn’t a back-handed way for the NYT to start supporting our military. If the war were re-packaged as a war for Women’s Lib, then they’d be able to support it without being openly hypocritical and maybe their few remaining subscribers would buy the switcheroo.
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Kosh's Shadow Mon, Aug 24, 2009 8:47:33am |
re: #603 laZardo
Wasn’t it that “faggot” referred to a bundle of sticks back in Old English?
Because a bundle of sticks happened to be the symbol of the Italian fascists.
/no wonder they were so repressed/repressive.
Yes, and there lies the basis of the joke.
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realwest Mon, Aug 24, 2009 8:47:49am |
re: #549 Beach Lover
Yes I did receive y’all’s e-mail and replied too!
And it’s not h and h in the Charlotte region of the South!
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haakondahl Mon, Aug 24, 2009 8:48:29am |
re: #591 Lincolntf
“Why do we fight? Not because of ‘terrorism,’ (a tactic) but because of the ideology behind Islamic supremacism and its devastating threat to humanity itself.”
Then why don’t we call it the war against Islamic supremacism?
Because we already lost the war on testicles.
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scottishbuzzsaw Mon, Aug 24, 2009 8:48:34am |
re: #607 realwest
Hi there {scotti} - and QUACK back atcha (that was cute, btw!).
Hi there {real}…how are you doing?
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Daria Emmons Mon, Aug 24, 2009 8:48:36am |
re: #612 Charles
The intent of that paragraph is clear as glass: to imply that LGF is only latching onto the feminism issue to justify continuing the hawkish war on terror.
Is that the clear intention of the article? If so, it certainly is not clear as glass.
Because I did not read it that way. That is one implication of the article, if you decide to interpret it in that direction.
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haakondahl Mon, Aug 24, 2009 8:49:03am |
re: #601 Alouette
My five-year-old grandson is already preparing to become an Evil Overlord when he grows up. Even before he grows up.
Nice!
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Salamantis Mon, Aug 24, 2009 8:49:10am |
re: #603 laZardo
Wasn’t it that “faggot” referred to a bundle of sticks back in Old English?
Because a bundle of sticks happened to be the symbol of the Italian fascists.
/no wonder they were so repressed/repressive.
It was also because gays used to be burned at the stake so much. By piling faggots around them and setting them alight.
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SteveC Mon, Aug 24, 2009 8:49:22am |
re: #603 laZardo
Wasn’t it that “faggot” referred to a bundle of sticks back in Old English?
Don’t know. There’s a line from an Elvensong in The Hobbit that reads, “The Faggots are reeking!”
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Silvergirl Mon, Aug 24, 2009 8:49:36am |
re: #560 avanti
I’d take him to casino with me. A hour after he worked the floor, he’d half a half dozen bimbo’s in my suite’s hot tub.
Does he do that sawing women in half trick?
Bimbo is also an acceptable term for men. Wodehouse uses it, and I believe I’ll start too.
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doppelganglander Mon, Aug 24, 2009 8:49:45am |
re: #624 Daria Emmons
Is that the clear intention of the article? If so, it certainly is not clear as glass.
Because I did not read it that way. That is one implication of the article, if you decide to interpret it in that direction.
It’s plain to me that is the author’s intent.
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Kosh's Shadow Mon, Aug 24, 2009 8:49:53am |
re: #627 SteveC
Don’t know. There’s a line from an Elvensong in The Hobbit that reads, “The Faggots are reeking!”
And the dragons are flaming, right?
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Vicious Babushka Mon, Aug 24, 2009 8:50:20am |
re: #616 Kosh’s Shadow
Make sure he’s familiar with the 100 things an evil overlord should do, once he’s old enough to read.
Old enough to read? He already reads three languages! (English, Hebrew and Russian)
Heh.
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Daria Emmons Mon, Aug 24, 2009 8:50:25am |
re: #617 Lincolntf
It’s certainly a part of it. And I’m sure nobody really wants to “re-label” the war as the War Against Misogyny, but I wonder if this isn’t a back-handed way for the NYT to start supporting our military. If the war were re-packaged as a war for Women’s Lib, then they’d be able to support it without being openly hypocritical and maybe their few remaining subscribers would buy the switcheroo.
I 10000% agree with you.
I frankly believe the NYT gave a very helpful suggestion of using the term ‘war against misogyny’ as a term of art in the future.
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sattv4u2 Mon, Aug 24, 2009 8:51:07am |
re: #624 Daria Emmons
Is that the clear intention of the article? If so, it certainly is not clear as glass.
Because I did not read it that way. That is one implication of the article, if you decide to interpret it in that direction.
And there lies the problem.
Because YOU didn’t read it that way means that the person (Charles) it was directed at shouldn’t “read it that way” either
Do I have it now?
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Rancher Mon, Aug 24, 2009 8:51:33am |
A long time ago I blogged about the “nuclear option” when the Dems were filibustering Bush’s Judicial nominees. Some argued against going nuclear because they thought they might need the current rules should a Democrat become President.
McCain says that he wanted to preserve the right to filibuster future judicial nominees appointed by future Democratic presidents. But that’s dumb, the Democrats have the balls to go nuclear and will if the Republicans ever abuse the filibuster the way the Democrats have.
Well apparently the Dems have the balls to go nuclear when they can’t even get their own members to sign on to socialized medicine.
On Wednesday, Jim Manley, spokesman for Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, D-Nev., warned Republicans that reconciliation is a real option. The White House and Senate Democratic leaders still prefer a bipartisan bill, he said, but “patience is not unlimited and we are determined to get something done this year by any legislative means necessary.”
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windhorse Mon, Aug 24, 2009 8:51:34am |
I have a three letter word for everyone this morning…
JOBS
/…the Villages…
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jamgarr Mon, Aug 24, 2009 8:51:47am |
re: #603 laZardo
Wasn’t it that “faggot” referred to a bundle of sticks back in Old English?
Because a bundle of sticks happened to be the symbol of the Italian fascists.
/no wonder they were so repressed/repressive.
“Livery of seizin” was the symbolic delivery of a faggot to memorialize the transfer of land. Those ingenious folks would have a youngster
on hand on whom they would law a good thrashing - the kid would remember for the rest of his days that Lord So-N-So delivered the faggot the faggot to Squire Whats-His-Name.
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SteveC Mon, Aug 24, 2009 8:51:47am |
re: #630 Kosh’s Shadow
And the dragons are flaming, right?
‘Till they found a fire extinguisher and put Smaug out.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, Aug 24, 2009 8:51:49am |
HERE’S A LITTLE FACEBOOK CONVERSATION WITH MY NIECE…
11:20am Soldier: hi
i’m just hanging out on my last couple days off for the next year
11:21amFBV ugh. Proud of ya! Tell me what you’re doing again?
11:22am Soldier i will be in charge of convoys from point a to b
11:22amFBV Bust ‘em up!
11:22amSoldier i will give the afghanistan people every opportunity to die for their country!!!
11:26amFBV rock on! Kill all of the bad actors Baby!!
11:30amSoldier bad actors?
11:32amFBV (the bad guys)…not all of them are bad.
But I am a firm believer in collateral damage too!
If y’all ain’t sure… ask questions later.
11:33amSOLDIER yeah, maybe not..but i will definitely not take any chances trying too hard to figure out which ones are good
11:34amFBV I dig… Careful. We love you! We’re proud of you! Come back to us in one piece!
11:36amSOLDIER i’ll try
11:36amFBV “There is no try. There is just do.” Yoda said that.
11:37amSOLDIER thanks…see you in a year
11:38amFBV You’ll be on FB while you’re there?
11:40amSOLDIER im not sure but i hope so
11:41amFBV post from time to time… as time permits.
I am very proud of her.
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Daria Emmons Mon, Aug 24, 2009 8:52:08am |
re: #629 doppelganglander
It’s plain to me that is the author’s intent.
That is only if you view the term ‘hawk’ as a negative.
But then, those who view the term ‘hawk’ as a negative would not go to LGF anyway. So the bottomline is that the article was a compliment to LGF for those who consider themselves feminist hawks, and derogatory of LGF for those who believe the term ‘hawk’ is a derogatory term.
But who gives a flying fig about the latter group?
The article was not facially derogatory.
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redstateredneck Mon, Aug 24, 2009 8:52:13am |
re: #576 fat bastard vegetarian
Hey everybody, my niece is leaving for Afganistan. Woo Hoo!
Her words…
I just love my niece. She’s a total bad-ass! Mother of two beautiful children. Y’all pray for her safe return, okay?
That’s a done deal.
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SasquatchOnSteroids Mon, Aug 24, 2009 8:52:34am |
The NYT is very good…For Me to Poop On !
- Triumph
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Desert Dog Mon, Aug 24, 2009 8:53:10am |
re: #634 Rancher
A long time ago I blogged about the “nuclear option” when the Dems were filibustering Bush’s Judicial nominees. Some argued against going nuclear because they thought they might need the current rules should a Democrat become President.
They will do that without flinching. And, then, in an act equally galling, they will probably change the rules back once they get the vote they wanted. Whatever suites them.
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realwest Mon, Aug 24, 2009 8:53:54am |
re: #580 Fat Bastard Vegetarian Uh, well since I see no one wants to answer my question in #577…oh, wait, FBV… yes?!?
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Salamantis Mon, Aug 24, 2009 8:54:49am |
re: #639 Daria Emmons
That is only if you view the term ‘hawk’ as a negative.
But then, those who view the term ‘hawk’ as a negative would not go to LGF anyway. So the bottomline is that the article was a compliment to LGF for those who consider themselves feminist hawks, and derogatory of LGF for those who believe the term ‘hawk’ is a derogatory term.
But who gives a flying fig about the latter group?
The article was not facially derogatory.
But there’s a helluva lotta people at the NYT who view the term ‘hawk’ as derogatory. Including the author of the piece. And that author was writing to those who agree with her.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, Aug 24, 2009 8:55:23am |
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midwestgak Mon, Aug 24, 2009 8:55:39am |
re: #632 Daria Emmons
I 10000% agree with you.
I frankly believe the NYT gave a very helpful suggestion of using the term ‘war against misogyny’ as a term of art in the future.
A term of art?
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MandyManners Mon, Aug 24, 2009 8:56:28am |
re: #645 Salamantis
But there’s a helluva lotta people at the NYT who view the term ‘hawk’ as derogatory. Including the author of the piece. And that author was writing to those who agree with her.
I have NEVER seen the word “hawk” used as a compliment, especially when the author is discussing war.
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Salamantis Mon, Aug 24, 2009 8:56:39am |
I think they also might be worrying that the feminist argument against the jihadis might be gaining wider traction, so they’re working to defang it.
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Vicious Babushka Mon, Aug 24, 2009 8:56:53am |
re: #576 fat bastard vegetarian
Hey everybody, my niece is leaving for Afganistan. Woo Hoo!
Her words…
I just love my niece. She’s a total bad-ass! Mother of two beautiful children. Y’all pray for her safe return, okay?
No active duty military in my family at the moment, but my son, who is an IDF vet, is getting married in two weeks to a little Aussia sheila. She’s five feet nothing and 90 pounds soaking wet.
She. can. kick. his. ass.
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Daria Emmons Mon, Aug 24, 2009 8:56:58am |
re: #633 sattv4u2
And there lies the problem.
Because YOU didn’t read it that way means that the person (Charles) it was directed at shouldn’t “read it that way” either
Do I have it now?
No.
You literally would have to view the term ‘hawk’ to be offensive an offensive term to be offended by the article. You would also have to view the article’s statement that the UN is a bunch of one-world kleptocrats as offensive to be offended by the article.
If I happened to have stumbled upon the article accidentally and read about the UN being declared a bunch of one-world kleptocrats, and LGF was ‘feminist hawk,’ I would immediately go to LGF to learn more about what this fantastic site has to say.
In short, the article was only an insult to LGF if you view the world through LLL lenses. And who cares what the LLL’s have to say or think?
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sattv4u2 Mon, Aug 24, 2009 8:57:09am |
re: #645 Salamantis
But there’s a helluva lotta people at the NYT who view the term ‘hawk’ as derogatory. Including the author of the piece. And that author was writing to those who agree with her.
But Sal. Daria didn’t “read it that way”, so neither should you!
Sal,, you’re a “moron”, but I didn’t write it in the “moron” way, so you shouldn’t read it that way!
//
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MandyManners Mon, Aug 24, 2009 8:57:23am |
re: #648 MandyManners
I have NEVER seen the word “hawk” used as a compliment by the NYT, especially when the author is discussing war.
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Last Mohican Mon, Aug 24, 2009 8:57:24am |
re: #649 Salamantis
I think they also might be worrying that the feminist argument against the jihadis might be gaining wider traction, so they’re working to defang it.
That sounds like the main point to me.
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realwest Mon, Aug 24, 2009 8:57:32am |
re: #588 Mad Al-Jaffee
Question of the day - which presidnet would you most like to drink with?
I’m thinking Teddy Roosevelt would be fun, but there’s probably danger that he might challenge you to a boxing or wrestling match.
Oh Hell, I could take Teddy Roosevelt in boxing or wrestling!
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jamgarr Mon, Aug 24, 2009 8:58:00am |
I’ve always been a fan of “This is what happens when you fuck with the U.S.A.” but, as a slogan, it doesn’t flow trippingly enough.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, Aug 24, 2009 8:58:12am |
re: #655 realwest
He’s not as strong as he used to be.
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Charles Johnson Mon, Aug 24, 2009 8:59:36am |
re: #624 Daria Emmons
Is that the clear intention of the article? If so, it certainly is not clear as glass.
Because I did not read it that way. That is one implication of the article, if you decide to interpret it in that direction.
Then you must be reading this article through an ideological filter, because it’s not even hidden. The whole article is a put-down of the “feminist hawks.”
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Salamantis Mon, Aug 24, 2009 8:59:45am |
re: #651 Daria Emmons
No.
You literally would have to view the term ‘hawk’ to be offensive an offensive term to be offended by the article. You would also have to view the article’s statement that the UN is a bunch of one-world kleptocrats as offensive to be offended by the article.
If I happened to have stumbled upon the article accidentally and read about the UN being declared a bunch of one-world kleptocrats, and LGF was ‘feminist hawk,’ I would immediately go to LGF to learn more about what this fantastic site has to say.
In short, the article was only an insult to LGF if you view the world through LLL lenses. And who cares what the LLL’s have to say or think?
Wrong. You would have to know that the newspaper considers the term to be derogatory, and thinks that their audience likewise conceive of it to be so. And we know these things. Which allows us to construe the NYT’s baleful intent.
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Daria Emmons Mon, Aug 24, 2009 8:59:57am |
re: #647 midwestgak
A term of art?
Term of art is legal jargon, sorry.
This is what explains what that means:
[Link: www.ll.georgetown.edu…]
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reloadingisnotahobby Mon, Aug 24, 2009 9:00:48am |
re: #657 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Why?
Just cause he’s DEAD!
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sattv4u2 Mon, Aug 24, 2009 9:00:59am |
re: #651 Daria Emmons
You literally would have to view the term ‘hawk’ to be offensive an offensive term to be offended by the article
Thank you for proving our point. The left has been using the term “HAWK” as a perjoritive since the Vietnam war! The right has come to grips with the FACT that when that term is used by someone on the left it is NOT used as a compliment
Thanks for playing ,,, JOHNNY , what do we have for our guest!?!?!
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SteveC Mon, Aug 24, 2009 9:01:58am |
re: #656 jamgarr
I’ve always been a fan of “This is what happens when you fuck with the U.S.A.” but, as a slogan, it doesn’t flow trippingly enough.
“This is going to hurt you a lot more than you hurt us.”
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jamgarr Mon, Aug 24, 2009 9:02:26am |
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Lincolntf Mon, Aug 24, 2009 9:02:28am |
re: #632 Daria Emmons
It’s very tricky how they used this article (focused on kinda criticizing those of us who have always supported the cause against Islamic supremacism) to float this trial balloon (if that’s what it is).
I’ll watch for a few weeks to see if more stories from the NYT and the rest of the MSM start emphasizing the plight of women in Afghan., etc. The Left has ignored their plight for nearly a decade, so it might be a hard sell, but it wouldn’t surprise me to see them try.
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SteveC Mon, Aug 24, 2009 9:02:45am |
re: #658 laZardo
And a merrily gay time was had by all!
Told ya all you had to do was plug it into the Rainbow Connection!
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HoosierHoops Mon, Aug 24, 2009 9:03:15am |
re: #655 realwest
Oh Hell, I could take Teddy Roosevelt in boxing or wrestling!
I’d like to drink a beer with George Washington..Hey George..what do you think about this new country?
I’d like to have gott’n Lincoln stone cold drunk so he couldn’t make it to Ford Theater
I’d like to drink with Truman and learn some cool new cuss words..
I’d like to Drink with Clinton as long as I got to use my cellphone camera
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Killgore Trout Mon, Aug 24, 2009 9:03:43am |
Pandering to the loons…
GOP Rep. Trent Franks Considering Obama Citizenship Lawsuit
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Daria Emmons Mon, Aug 24, 2009 9:04:03am |
re: #660 Salamantis
Wrong. You would have to know that the newspaper considers the term to be derogatory, and thinks that their audience likewise conceive of it to be so. And we know these things. Which allows us to construe the NYT’s baleful intent.
(a) Who cares about the NYT’s intent? I am serious - why should we care?
(b) On its own terms, if the article appeared in National Review instead of the NYT, it would not be considered an insult.
Therefore:
(c) Why should we be offended by the article because of the author’s bad intentions? The NYT almost always has bad intentions - I am not understanding why we should care about underlying intentions.
If the NYT defines someone ‘conservative,’ they surely mean it in an insulting way. Same for ‘hawk,’ But who cares what LLL’s think?
If you are not a LLL and read the article on its own terms, it is not insulting, and that is my point.
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Last Mohican Mon, Aug 24, 2009 9:05:45am |
re: #670 Killgore Trout
Pandering to the loons…
GOP Rep. Trent Franks Considering Obama Citizenship Lawsuit
Franks’ bold move is particularly surprising given that Franks has previously made a clear statement to guerilla video-blogger Mike Stark that the president was born in the United States and had a valid birth certificate.
It does indeed look like he’s just pandering to the loons, even though he knows this is silly.
I don’t know if that’s better or worse than if he actually believed the nirther business himself.
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realwest Mon, Aug 24, 2009 9:06:18am |
re: #636 jamgarr
Um, with all respect, it was “Delivery” not “Livery” of seizin and was symbolized when the Seller literally handed a bunch of dirt, twigs and whatever to the buyer.
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wrenchwench Mon, Aug 24, 2009 9:06:19am |
re: #670 Killgore Trout
Pandering to the loons…
GOP Rep. Trent Franks Considering Obama Citizenship Lawsuit
There are a lot of nut to pander to in AZ, apparently.
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jamgarr Mon, Aug 24, 2009 9:07:05am |
re: #674 realwest
Um, with all respect, it was “Delivery” not “Livery” of seizin and was symbolized when the Seller literally handed a bunch of dirt, twigs and whatever to the buyer.
Pardon my Old English
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itellu3times Mon, Aug 24, 2009 9:07:16am |
re: #659 Charles
Then you must be reading this article through an ideological filter, because it’s not even hidden. The whole article is a put-down of the “feminist hawks.”
But what I can’t quite figure out, is exactly why.
Is NYT just - confused by it all?
Or so ashamed by their own cowardice, their absence from the issue anywhere things are tough, all they can do is sneer at those who do better?
Or wot.
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doppelganglander Mon, Aug 24, 2009 9:07:28am |
re: #639 Daria Emmons
That is only if you view the term ‘hawk’ as a negative.
But then, those who view the term ‘hawk’ as a negative would not go to LGF anyway. So the bottomline is that the article was a compliment to LGF for those who consider themselves feminist hawks, and derogatory of LGF for those who believe the term ‘hawk’ is a derogatory term.
But who gives a flying fig about the latter group?
The article was not facially derogatory.
The point, as others have said, isn’t whether we think the term “hawk” is derogatory. The NYT does.
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Desert Dog Mon, Aug 24, 2009 9:07:31am |
re: #670 Killgore Trout
Pandering to the loons…
GOP Rep. Trent Franks Considering Obama Citizenship Lawsuit
Gun nuts, psycho bombers, nirthers…why is it always Arizona? The heat makes me crazy sometimes, but, come on! It’s never a Crazy Ohioan or a Crazy Vermonter…nope, it’s always someone from here…ugh
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Desert Dog Mon, Aug 24, 2009 9:07:56am |
re: #675 wrenchwench
There are a lot of nut to pander to in AZ, apparently.
This place is crawling with them, believe me.
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realwest Mon, Aug 24, 2009 9:07:59am |
re: #638 Fat Bastard Vegetarian You most certainly should be - please tell her that we all thank her for her service to our Nation.
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reloadingisnotahobby Mon, Aug 24, 2009 9:08:23am |
re: #673 Last Mohican
It does indeed look like he’s just pandering to the loons, even though he knows this is silly.
I don’t know if that’s better or worse than if he actually believed the nirther business himself.
So?
Just how many millions is this going to cost U.S.??
I need a tax shelter!!
Are the Caymans still open for buisness?
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Kenneth Mon, Aug 24, 2009 9:08:28am |
re: #649 Salamantis
I think they also might be worrying that the feminist argument against the jihadis might be gaining wider traction, so they’re working to defang it.
In the late 1990’s NOW sent out a letter addressed to President Clinton urging him to use the US Marines to stop the Taliban gov’t of Afghanistan from abusing women.
Funny they don’t mention that letter much anymore.
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doppelganglander Mon, Aug 24, 2009 9:08:34am |
re: #650 Alouette
No active duty military in my family at the moment, but my son, who is an IDF vet, is getting married in two weeks to a little Aussia sheila. She’s five feet nothing and 90 pounds soaking wet.
She. can. kick. his. ass.
I’m sure she will soon have him adequately trained so she won’t need to. Best wishes to the young couple.
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SteveC Mon, Aug 24, 2009 9:08:44am |
re: #670 Killgore Trout
Pandering to the loons…
GOP Rep. Trent Franks Considering Obama Citizenship Lawsuit
Gawd. Former boss liked obscure holidays. Family came into the Museum on the anniversary of Hawaiian statehood and the boss tells them they can get a 10% discount if they pay in Hawaiian money. After a long pause and blank stare the father says “I’m not even sure what they use for money.”
*FACEPALM* Boss stopped joking with the customers for about a week.
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Daria Emmons Mon, Aug 24, 2009 9:09:18am |
re: #679 doppelganglander
The point, as others have said, isn’t whether we think the term “hawk” is derogatory. The NYT does.
Who cares if it does? Why is this relevant to our lives?
Why are we forfeiting the English language to the NYT?
Once we do that, we have already lost and mine as well give up.
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sattv4u2 Mon, Aug 24, 2009 9:09:20am |
re: #671 Daria Emmons
(b) On its own terms, if the article appeared in National Review instead of the NYT, it would not be considered an insult
TRANSLATION
“I’m losing this debate, so lets move the goalposts!”
If you are not a LLL and read the article on its own terms, it is not insulting, and that is my point
Ya keep forgetting one tiny factoid there , Skippy. YOU don’t get to decide what insults the person (Charles) it was aimed at
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realwest Mon, Aug 24, 2009 9:09:34am |
re: #649 Salamantis
I think they also might be worrying that the feminist argument against the jihadis might be gaining wider traction, so they’re working to defang it.
I sure hope you’re right!
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Salamantis Mon, Aug 24, 2009 9:09:37am |
re: #671 Daria Emmons
(a) Who cares about the NYT’s intent? I am serious - why should we care?
(b) On its own terms, if the article appeared in National Review instead of the NYT, it would not be considered an insult.
Therefore:
(c) Why should we be offended by the article because of the author’s bad intentions? The NYT almost always has bad intentions - I am not understanding why we should care about underlying intentions.
If the NYT defines someone ‘conservative,’ they surely mean it in an insulting way. Same for ‘hawk,’ But who cares what LLL’s think?
If you are not a LLL and read the article on its own terms, it is not insulting, and that is my point.
But if you read the article hermeneutically, and perform a cultural niche exegesis on it, you would have to come to come to the conclusion that the writer meant the term in a derogatory manner, and was addressing the piece to readers whom she supposed would similarly construe it.
It was intended by its writer as a sliming smearing hit piece. And authorial intent is dispositive.
It was also intended to inoculate its audience against being swayed to support antijihadi actions by feminist arguments. I find that intent to be execrable, odious, and heinous.
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Kenneth Mon, Aug 24, 2009 9:10:12am |
Senior al Qaeda leader leaves Pakistan, directs Iraq operations from Syria
By Bill Roggio
A senior al Qaeda leader and ideologue who was based in Pakistan’s tribal areas has taken control of al Qaeda in Iraq’s organization in Syria and is operating from the capital, Damascus.
Sheikh Issa al Masri is thought to have entered Syria in June 2009 and has been consolidating control of the remnants of al Qaeda in Iraq to refocus the group’s efforts to destabilize the Iraqi government.
How’s that outreach to Syria coming along, Barry?
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Silvergirl Mon, Aug 24, 2009 9:10:32am |
Is a word a pejorative depending on the intent of the slur-slinger, or does its dark side come out if the recipient interprets it as vicious?
I say it can go either way. I remember my Marine brother-in-law proudly proclaiming himself a hawk. To me, hawk doesn’t hurt, but words do matter. Calling police officers pigs can’t have a good intent, but I recall a local police station having a pig-n-pancake breakfast advertised by a poster featuring a porky pig character in a police uniform. Sans pants, as always.
We know the ‘N’ word is explosive, though if you’re black it can work. So much is dependent on circumstance.
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Cato the Elder Mon, Aug 24, 2009 9:10:47am |
Hmm.
Will Spencer unleash his notional libel cyberlawyers on the NYT now for lumping JW in with his nemesis?
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SteveC Mon, Aug 24, 2009 9:10:58am |
Franks asked why the president did not simply produce a birth certificate.
Because as long as he doesn’t, it keeps yahoos such as yourself to distracted to be effective.
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realwest Mon, Aug 24, 2009 9:11:18am |
re: #657 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
He’s not as strong as he used to be.
I’d heard that - that’s why I said what I did; regrettably, neither am I.
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Mad Al-Jaffee Mon, Aug 24, 2009 9:11:23am |
re: #686 SteveC
Gawd. Former boss liked obscure holidays. Family came into the Museum on the anniversary of Hawaiian statehood and the boss tells them they can get a 10% discount if they pay in Hawaiian money. After a long pause and blank stare the father says “I’m not even sure what they use for money.”
*FACEPALM* Boss stopped joking with the customers for about a week.
They use pineapples and macadamia nuts, right?
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Annar Mon, Aug 24, 2009 9:11:35am |
re: #50 Spenser (with an S)
We had a local “Muslims are not scary, come and learn about us” conference in town put on by local mosques. One speaker didn’t get the right memo and his talk was a long refutation of Rushdie’s plea for muslims to keep islam in the “sphere of the personal”. This guy said that Islam is religion, govt., family life, finance, social and everything. All-encompassing.
He simply told the unvarnished truth only leaving out the part where this system is to be eventually imposed on everyone, believers or not, by whatever means that are available.
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Desert Dog Mon, Aug 24, 2009 9:11:40am |
re: #690 Salamantis
But if you read the article hermeneutically, and perform a cultural niche exegesis on it, you would have to come to come to the conclusion that the writer meant the term in a derogatory manner, and was addressing the piece to readers whom she supposed would similarly construe it.
It was intended by its writer as a sliming smearing hit piece. And authorial intent is dispositive.
It was also intended to inoculate its audience against being swayed to support antijihadi actions by feminist arguments. I find that intent to be execrable, odious, and heinous.
You are a walkin’, talkin’ thesaurus, Sal.!
I agree completely, but in not such at flowery manner.
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Salamantis Mon, Aug 24, 2009 9:11:52am |
re: #684 Kenneth
In the late 1990’s NOW sent out a letter addressed to President Clinton urging him to use the US Marines to stop the Taliban gov’t of Afghanistan from abusing women.
Funny they don’t mention that letter much anymore.
The late ‘90’s was also when the US Congress passed and Clinton signed into law the Iraq Regime Change Act.
Don’t hear much about that any more, either.
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itellu3times Mon, Aug 24, 2009 9:11:59am |
re: #632 Daria Emmons
I frankly believe the NYT gave a very helpful suggestion of using the term ‘war against misogyny’ as a term of art in the future.
What is this misogyny, some kind of Japanese soup?
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Dianna Mon, Aug 24, 2009 9:12:00am |
Good morning! I hope everyone had a good weekend.
I see - by reading those articles - that Charles is once again attracting a whole hell of a lot of whacks. Sorry.
Charles is doing something right, but I don’t imagine it’s a whole lot of fun.
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jamgarr Mon, Aug 24, 2009 9:12:18am |
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ladycatnip Mon, Aug 24, 2009 9:12:38am |
Among the most titillating grants awarded by the National Institutes of Health are studies that would:
* Examine “barriers to correct condom use” at Indiana University, at a cost of $221,000.
* Study “hookups” among adolescents at Syracuse University. Study’s cost: $219,000.
* Evaluate “drug use as a sex enhancer” in an analysis of “high-risk community sex networks” at the University of Illinois, Chicago. That study will cost $123,000.
* Study how methamphetamine, thought to produce an “insatiable need” for sex among users, “enhances the motivation for female rat sexual behavior.” Some $28,000 has been awarded for the University of Maryland at Baltimore study.
The study on female rat sexual behavior will definitely rock my world.
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Daria Emmons Mon, Aug 24, 2009 9:13:14am |
re: #690 Salamantis
But if you read the article hermeneutically, and perform a cultural niche exegesis on it, you would have to come to come to the conclusion that the writer meant the term in a derogatory manner, and was addressing the piece to readers whom she supposed would similarly construe it.
It was intended by its writer as a sliming smearing hit piece. And authorial intent is dispositive.
It was also intended to inoculate its audience against being swayed to support antijihadi actions by feminist arguments. I find that intent to be execrable, odious, and heinous.
But LLLs have so many layers of cognative dissonance, they are lost anyway. They have been tacitly supporting the misogynistic Islamic Republic of Iran for decades now.
The article was a hit piece only to those who share the same ideological background of the writer. To everyone else, it was a compliment of LGF. ‘Liberal hawk’ and ‘feminist hawk’ is considered either a neutral or positive term for most of the population of the USA. And I would like to add that the NYT has non-LLL’s who read its paper, and so the article would thus give LGF free publicity.
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Kenneth Mon, Aug 24, 2009 9:13:27am |
(cont’d)
Sheikh Issa was detained by Pakistani security forces in January 2009, according to the Asia Times. It is unclear if he escaped or was released from Pakistani custody, US military and intelligence officials told The Long War Journal.
After leaving Pakistani custody, Sheikh Issa traveled to Iran prior to entering Syria, according to a report in Corriere della Sera, an Italian newspaper. Al Qaeda has an extensive network inside Iran which receives support from the Islamic Revolutionary Guards Corps, according to the US Treasury Department, which has sanctioned several members of al Qaeda’s organization in Iran.
Sheikh Issa is believed to be based in Damascus and is protected by the Mukhabarat, Syria’s secret intelligence service. From Damascus, Sheikh Issa has been instrumental in reorganizing al Qaeda in Iraq’s network and is thought to be behind some of the most deadly attacks in Iraq, including Wednesday’s coordinated bombings in Baghdad that killed more than 90 Iraqis and wounded more than 1,200.
And how’s that unclenched fist thing working out, Barry?
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sattv4u2 Mon, Aug 24, 2009 9:13:33am |
re: #703 ladycatnip
The study on female rat sexual behavior will definitely rock my world.
pssst,,, hey ,, lady ,,, I have the complete unedited DVD set!!
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Honorary Yooper Mon, Aug 24, 2009 9:13:33am |
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doppelganglander Mon, Aug 24, 2009 9:14:08am |
re: #687 Daria Emmons
Who cares if it does? Why is this relevant to our lives?
Why are we forfeiting the English language to the NYT?
Once we do that, we have already lost and mine as well give up.
Are you unfamiliar with the practice of words having different connotations in different contexts, depending on by whom and how they are used? The key to understanding a piece of writing is to understand the author’s usage and the context in which he/she is writing.
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sattv4u2 Mon, Aug 24, 2009 9:14:30am |
re: #699 Salamantis
The late ‘90’s was also when the US Congress passed and Clinton signed into law the Iraq Regime Change Act.
Don’t hear much about that any more, either.
CHANGE!!
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Kosh's Shadow Mon, Aug 24, 2009 9:14:39am |
re: #703 ladycatnip
The study on female rat sexual behavior will definitely rock my world.
Brings a whole new meaning to “stimulus bill”
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I am smarter than you Mon, Aug 24, 2009 9:14:42am |
Charles is right.
“Feminist Hawk” is a subtle oxymoron.
“Hawkishness” is intrinsically phallocentric. The “Hawk” always will reduce matters to a false binary opposition in which there is “good” and an “evil” and where the hawk must then adopt a militarism to wipe out the “evil.”
All men are this way.
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SteveC Mon, Aug 24, 2009 9:14:50am |
re: #696 Mad Al-Jaffee
They use pineapples and macadamia nuts, right?
After the Great Currency Revaluation of 1977, a Lei will buy you a lay.
*Runs*
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Desert Dog Mon, Aug 24, 2009 9:15:13am |
re: #694 SteveC
Because as long as he doesn’t, it keeps yahoos such as yourself to distracted to be effective.
Ding, ding, ding.
I bet Obama & Co all get a good laugh at this stuff…I was him, I would never release it and let these guys go on and on…
Excuse me, Rep. Franks, there are more important matters to be dealt with than this ridiculus one.
He won, he’s legal and his the President.
So, let’s getting going on some new and improved ideas to counter the retreads and nonsense Obama is pushing, ok?
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realwest Mon, Aug 24, 2009 9:15:40am |
re: #666 Lincolntf
It’s very tricky how they used this article (focused on kinda criticizing those of us who have always supported the cause against Islamic supremacism) to float this trial balloon (if that’s what it is).
I’ll watch for a few weeks to see if more stories from the NYT and the rest of the MSM start emphasizing the plight of women in Afghan., etc. The Left has ignored their plight for nearly a decade, so it might be a hard sell, but it wouldn’t surprise me to see them try.
I updinged you for your willingness to read the NYT - talk about taking one for the team!
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sattv4u2 Mon, Aug 24, 2009 9:15:53am |
re: #704 Daria Emmons
To everyone else EXCEPT CHARLES JOHNSON WHO HAPPENS TO BE LGF, it was a compliment of LGF.
ftfy
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itellu3times Mon, Aug 24, 2009 9:15:58am |
re: #690 Salamantis
It was also intended to inoculate its audience against being swayed to support antijihadi actions by feminist arguments.
That, I think, is the bottom line.
And authorial intent is dispositive.
Not what I was taught, as if it could be determined anyway, as if the author was not just a victim his/her own self.
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Daria Emmons Mon, Aug 24, 2009 9:16:27am |
re: #709 doppelganglander
Are you unfamiliar with the practice of words having different connotations in different contexts, depending on by whom and how they are used? The key to understanding a piece of writing is to understand the author’s usage and the context in which he/she is writing.
I firstly meant to type ‘might’ and not mine.
But secondly, who cares about the different context?
If the NYT likes you, then most likely there is something wrong with you anyway. All that ultimately matters is what the words on the page actually SAY, not hidden intent, which frankly, could really mean anything.
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MJ Mon, Aug 24, 2009 9:16:56am |
Attack on Obama riles Beck’s advertisers
NEW YORK – Glenn Beck returns to Fox News Channel on Monday after a vacation with fewer companies willing to advertise on his show than when he left, part of the fallout from calling President Barack Obama a racist.
A total of 33 Fox advertisers, including Wal-Mart Stores Inc., CVS Caremark, Clorox and Sprint, directed that their commercials not air on Beck’s show, according to the companies and ColorofChange.org, a group that promotes political action among blacks and launched a campaign to get advertisers to abandon him. That’s more than a dozen more than were identified a week ago…
[Link: news.yahoo.com…]
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Desert Dog Mon, Aug 24, 2009 9:17:29am |
re: #703 ladycatnip
The study on female rat sexual behavior will definitely rock my world.
* Study how methamphetamine, thought to produce an “insatiable need” for sex among users, “enhances the motivation for female rat sexual behavior.” Some $28,000 has been awarded for the University of Maryland at Baltimore study.
I am guessing there will be a very high demand for this substance if the females rats start getting that “insatiable need”
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Annar Mon, Aug 24, 2009 9:17:47am |
re: #63 JamesTKirk
There are a few different terms, depending on the particulars. “Group marriage”, “line marriage”, and several others that you can find described in most Heinlein novels.
Polyamory is the correct term if the group contains m>=1 men and m>=1 women. It is not necessary that m=n. Polygamy and Polyandry are the special cases where n=1 & n>=2 or m=1 or m=1 & n>=2 respectively.
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HoosierHoops Mon, Aug 24, 2009 9:18:22am |
re: #712 I am smarter than you
Charles is right.
“Feminist Hawk” is a subtle oxymoron.
“Hawkishness” is intrinsically phallocentric. The “Hawk” always will reduce matters to a false binary opposition in which there is “good” and an “evil” and where the hawk must then adopt a militarism to wipe out the “evil.”
All men are this way.
You are working on a doctorate in feminism and you lump all men into a sterotype?
Maybe you should change your Nic to ’ I Think I’m smarter than you but lack the means to prove it.’
Sorry Lizard..All men do not groupthink
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Daria Emmons Mon, Aug 24, 2009 9:18:29am |
re: #716 sattv4u2
To everyone else EXCEPT CHARLES JOHNSON WHO HAPPENS TO BE LGF, it was a compliment of LGF.
ftfy
I accept that Charles was offended by the article, though he is not the only aspect of LGF. (the commentators also form a vital part of the community)
And I believe Charles has no basis to be offended and may even cull a helpful suggestion from the article.
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SteveC Mon, Aug 24, 2009 9:19:05am |
re: #721 Desert Dog
I am guessing there will be a very high demand for this substance if the females rats start getting that “insatiable need”
… will do anything for a piece of tail.
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Kosh's Shadow Mon, Aug 24, 2009 9:19:11am |
re: #713 SteveC
After the Great Currency Revaluation of 1977, a Lei will buy you a lay.
*Runs*
Ruth Wallis did a song, “The Hawaiian Lei song” which had the line “He got his first lei in Hawaii”
Mistress of the double entendre. She also did “He had the cutest little dinghy in the Navy”
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doppelganglander Mon, Aug 24, 2009 9:19:40am |
re: #719 Daria Emmons
I firstly meant to type ‘might’ and not mine.
But secondly, who cares about the different context?
If the NYT likes you, then most likely there is something wrong with you anyway. All that ultimately matters is what the words on the page actually SAY, not hidden intent, which frankly, could really mean anything.
You should probably stick with reading straightforward, factual writing. The whole point of this piece, and most sophisticated opinion writing for adults, is the intent, which you refuse to recognize.
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Daria Emmons Mon, Aug 24, 2009 9:19:50am |
re: #723 HoosierHoops
You are working on a doctorate in feminism and you lump all men into a sterotype?
Maybe you should change your Nic to ’ I Think I’m smarter than you but lack the means to prove it.’
Sorry Lizard..All men do not groupthink
I would upding you times twenty for that comment, if I could!
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Lincolntf Mon, Aug 24, 2009 9:19:51am |
So, can we assume that the NYT is “dovish” on misogyny? I doubt that that’s the conclusion they want people to draw, but if being “hawkish” is evil, wouldn’t they want to be the opposite of that?
OT- Anyone like the TV show “Monk”? I was flipping through the cable channels that are up in the 100’s and stumbled on the “Sleuth Network” which is showing a mini Monk marathon. One of my favorite shows of all time.
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realwest Mon, Aug 24, 2009 9:20:12am |
re: #670 Killgore Trout
Pandering to the loons…
GOP Rep. Trent Franks Considering Obama Citizenship Lawsuit
Well I don’t know about that Killgore - first it comes from Huffpoo -someplace that we used to laugh at fo it’s lack of accuracy(and some of us still do) and also because of this last line:
“The Washington Independent’s Dave Weigel points out that Franks’ bold move is particularly surprising given that Franks has previously made a clear statement to guerilla video-blogger Mike Stark that the president was born in the United States and had a valid birth certificate.”
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Cato the Elder Mon, Aug 24, 2009 9:20:17am |
[whistlin’ a happy tune]
I’ve still got it. Twelve pages translated from German to English in one day, for approx. 12 hundred bucks.
Several years’ worth of special hypoallergenic dog food for the Jindo…
[doop-de-doop-de-doo]
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Ben Hur Mon, Aug 24, 2009 9:20:27am |
re: #691 Kenneth
Senior al Qaeda leader leaves Pakistan, directs Iraq operations from Syria
By Bill RoggioHow’s that outreach to Syria coming along, Barry?
Everyone’s OK with every Pali terror group operating out of offices in Syria.
Why would anyone care now?
Oh, wait.
Al Qaeda are INTERNATIONAL terrorists that kill Americans.
My bad.
Maybe the US should build a security fence on its borders with Afghanistan and Iraq.
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jamgarr Mon, Aug 24, 2009 9:20:39am |
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sattv4u2 Mon, Aug 24, 2009 9:21:21am |
re: #724 Daria Emmons
I accept that Charles was offended by the article, though he is not the only aspect of LGF. (the commentators also form a vital part of the community)
And I believe Charles has no basis to be offended and may even cull a helpful suggestion from the article.
And once again, you have missed the entire point.
One last time, with feeling
It is NOT up to you, nor ‘how you read it” as the determinent factor as to WHO is offended and to what degree. Charles was offneded by it. MAny commentators here who form a vital part of the community are offended by it
THATS NOT YOUR CALL
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SteveC Mon, Aug 24, 2009 9:21:21am |
re: #726 Kosh’s Shadow
Ruth Wallis did a song, “The Hawaiian Lei song” which had the line “He got his first lei in Hawaii”
Mistress of the double entendre. She also did “He had the cutest little dinghy in the Navy”
Did she write “If I said you had a beautiful body would you hold it against me?”
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realwest Mon, Aug 24, 2009 9:21:54am |
re: #673 Last Mohican
Or maybe, just maybe, he’s trying to force the ‘nirthers to give up their silly shit act and focus on some real issues for a change.
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Lincolntf Mon, Aug 24, 2009 9:22:23am |
re: #715 realwest
Heh. Those who read also serve.
Did you hear about one of our State Senators shooting an intruder in his home? I heard a quick newsflash that our longest serving State Senator (I don’t know his name), a Democrat, shot and wounded one of two intruders in his home. Nothing on my local paper’s site yet, but I’m eager to hear the whole story.
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Daria Emmons Mon, Aug 24, 2009 9:22:56am |
re: #727 doppelganglander
You should probably stick with reading straightforward, factual writing. The whole point of this piece, and most sophisticated opinion writing for adults, is the intent, which you refuse to recognize.
How can you actually prove the intent of the article, unless you get inside the author’s mind?
And given that is thus an impossibility, why exactly are you saying the article was an insult because the author ‘probably’ meant harm? (and we can only say ‘probably,’ because we can never ultimately prove what the author is thinking either way, unless we develop telepathic powers)
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wrenchwench Mon, Aug 24, 2009 9:23:10am |
re: #731 Cato the Elder
[whistlin’ a happy tune]
I’ve still got it. Twelve pages translated from German to English in one day, for approx. 12 hundred bucks.
Several years’ worth of special hypoallergenic dog food for the Jindo…
[doop-de-doop-de-doo]
I have two siblings who do that for a living (in Germany.) I’m glad to hear it still pays well, to those who can do it quickly.
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Cato the Elder Mon, Aug 24, 2009 9:24:19am |
re: #739 Daria Emmons
And here I thought I was a sophist…
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Bear Mon, Aug 24, 2009 9:24:57am |
re: #686 SteveC
I think There is still a dollar bill in my collection which has “HAWAII” stamped on it. Both US money that was in Hawaii and in the Philippines after the War started were stamped with either those names. Something to do with the fear that Japan would take over them.
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Cato the Elder Mon, Aug 24, 2009 9:25:01am |
re: #740 wrenchwench
I have two siblings who do that for a living (in Germany.) I’m glad to hear it still pays well, to those who can do it quickly.
I may wish to talk to them someday. Could be mutually beneficial…
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Kosh's Shadow Mon, Aug 24, 2009 9:25:05am |
re: #736 SteveC
Did she write “If I said you had a beautiful body would you hold it against me?”
Not as far as I know.
But she did write
Boobs! The Musical
Since the new thread is on nuts, might as well make this one a boob thread.
Tired of reading about nirther nuts.
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lawhawk Mon, Aug 24, 2009 9:25:55am |
re: #691 Kenneth
Senior al Qaeda leader leaves Pakistan, directs Iraq operations from Syria
By Bill RoggioHow’s that outreach to Syria coming along, Barry?
Just peachy.
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Daria Emmons Mon, Aug 24, 2009 9:27:07am |
re: #735 sattv4u2
And once again, you have missed the entire point.
One last time, with feeling
It is NOT up to you, nor ‘how you read it” as the determinent factor as to WHO is offended and to what degree. Charles was offneded by it. MAny commentators here who form a vital part of the community are offended by it
THATS NOT YOUR CALL
Charles wrote a whole post saying that he is a true centrist because the NYT insulted him.
My point is that this article was not an insult in the way Charles suggested it was, and thus I do not believe Charles actually gains bragging rights from it.
For what it’s worth, I do believe Charles is a centrist. But this article does not prove or disprove Charles’s central point.
Charles may have been insulted by the article, and that is irrelevant. All that is ultimately relevant is how the outside world would view this article, which I do not see as insulting.
| 749 |
Salamantis Mon, Aug 24, 2009 9:28:28am |
re: #719 Daria Emmons
I firstly meant to type ‘might’ and not mine.
But secondly, who cares about the different context?
If the NYT likes you, then most likely there is something wrong with you anyway. All that ultimately matters is what the words on the page actually SAY, not hidden intent, which frankly, could really mean anything.
For those few who still harbor any doubt whatsoever as to the malevolence of the author’s intent, look at the last two paragraphs of the article - to how the circumstances for the emergence of ‘hawkish feminism’ are characterized, and to what other phenomena the feminist hawk ‘memebrid’ is being compared:
As a fan of intensely specific forms of communication — blogs, memoirs, reality TV — I don’t believe that any idea exists apart from its mode of dissemination. But I also know that ideas that seem especially big and irresistible are usually so elegantly integrated with particular communication technologies that it’s hard to conceive of them separately. Could Rush Limbaugh’s patriotic anti-elitism have coalesced anywhere but on AM radio? Could “family values” have emerged without Christian TV?
And could the feminist-hawk position have emerged without the weird confluences of the Web? Like any wily and surviving creature, this new ideology has faced evolutionary pressures and adapted to its ecological niche.
The implicit idea is that because their ideas are allegedly all driven by ‘weird media confluences’, that feminist hawks share characteristics with the jingoistic anti-intellectual fundamentalist Christian socon right. The writer didn’t come right out and say that, but the too-sly-and-clever-by-half insinuendo is front and center there.
| 750 |
doppelganglander Mon, Aug 24, 2009 9:28:49am |
re: #739 Daria Emmons
How can you actually prove the intent of the article, unless you get inside the author’s mind?
And given that is thus an impossibility, why exactly are you saying the article was an insult because the author ‘probably’ meant harm? (and we can only say ‘probably,’ because we can never ultimately prove what the author is thinking either way, unless we develop telepathic powers)
If you are going to take that attitude, you can never understand anything written by another person. I give up.
| 752 |
Cato the Elder Mon, Aug 24, 2009 9:29:11am |
re: #748 Daria Emmons
Charles wrote a whole post saying that he is a true centrist because the NYT insulted him.
My point is that this article was not an insult in the way Charles suggested it was, and thus I do not believe Charles actually gains bragging rights from it.
For what it’s worth, I do believe Charles is a centrist. But this article does not prove or disprove Charles’s central point.
Charles may have been insulted by the article, and that is irrelevant. All that is ultimately relevant is how the outside world would view this article, which I do not see as insulting.
Being mentioned in the same breath with Jihad Watch and Frontpage is an insult.
| 753 |
midwestgak Mon, Aug 24, 2009 9:29:18am |
re: #729 Lincolntf
So, can we assume that the NYT is “dovish” on misogyny? I doubt that that’s the conclusion they want people to draw, but if being “hawkish” is evil, wouldn’t they want to be the opposite of that?
OT- Anyone like the TV show “Monk”? I was flipping through the cable channels that are up in the 100’s and stumbled on the “Sleuth Network” which is showing a mini Monk marathon. One of my favorite shows of all time.
Well written dialogue for the well developed characters. You can’t help but like them.
| 754 |
Vicious Babushka Mon, Aug 24, 2009 9:29:33am |
re: #712 I am smarter than you
Charles is right.
“Feminist Hawk” is a subtle oxymoron.
“Hawkishness” is intrinsically phallocentric. The “Hawk” always will reduce matters to a false binary opposition in which there is “good” and an “evil” and where the hawk must then adopt a militarism to wipe out the “evil.”
All men are this way.
Is your IQ 167?
Do you play 3D chess?
Is testosterone the cause of all the problems in the world?
| 755 |
sattv4u2 Mon, Aug 24, 2009 9:30:23am |
re: #748 Daria Emmons
Charles may have been insulted by the article, and that is irrelevant.
Just
Fucking
WOW!
| 756 |
Daria Emmons Mon, Aug 24, 2009 9:31:26am |
re: #749 Salamantis
You actually make a fair point here.
But that still does not make the term ‘feminist hawk’ into a negative or perjorative one.
| 758 |
I am smarter than you Mon, Aug 24, 2009 9:32:27am |
BTW - I have just learned that one of my essays will be published!
The Journal of Barely Suppressed Rage has agreed to publish my essay entitled “Grace Hopper: Indicting a Numericidal Gender Traitor”
In the text I explore how the much revered Grace Hopper should be condemned for committing crimes against humanity. Her crimes include -
Numericide - she was vital to the development of binary mathematics that have resulted in the phallocentric number “1” being considered “true” whereas the gynocentric “0” is considered false. She then took this false binary opposition and encoded it into compiler systems and the entire framework of computing so as to perpetuate and propagate this numericide to the extent that countless acts of “1” dominating “0” occur around the world every second.
Crimes against gender - by instituting her grand scheme of perpetual numericide and encoding false binary oppositions giving primacy to the phallocentric “1”, Grace Hopper has done extensive and permanent damage to women around the world. And the crime is perpetuated with every iPhone, every wrist watch, every keayboard, and even digitally programmable vibrators.
Aggravated Militarism - By continually accepting promotions in the US Naval Reserve and by continually providing the US Military with more sophisticated means of exploiting her gender-criminal computing devices, Grace Hopper was firmly committed to US imperialism and Militarism and is therefore is partly responsible for all of the US Military’s crimes of adventure since World War II.
Aggravated Corporatism - By continually accepting positions with large US coporations, Grace Hopper was a corporatist and guilty of all crimes of Corporatism which a too many to recite but are continually documented in careful detail at dailyKos.
The paper was peer reviewed and the editor was kind enough to share the comments of one of the reviewers - “Dig up and reanimate the slack c*nted hausfrau so we can take her to The Hague. After her conviction we can have her raped by Serbian war criminals and then thrown in a wood chipper to demonstrate our collective resolve for non-violence and gender equity!”
Refreshing.
| 759 |
Daria Emmons Mon, Aug 24, 2009 9:33:24am |
re: #755 sattv4u2
Charles may have been insulted by the article, and that is irrelevant.
Just
Fucking
WOW!
Charles did not link to this article to say “I am insulted.” (if he did, then the fact that he is insulted would be relevant)
He linked to prove he is a centrist, because the NYT insulted him.
As such, what is ultimately relevant is whether, on its own terms, the NYT insulted him, not whether Charles himself was insulted.
| 760 |
Cato the Elder Mon, Aug 24, 2009 9:34:20am |
re: #759 Daria Emmons
Charles did not link to this article to say “I am insulted.” (if he did, then the fact that he is insulted would be relevant)
He linked to prove he is a centrist, because the NYT insulted him.
As such, what is ultimately relevant is whether, on its own terms, the NYT insulted him, not whether Charles himself was insulted.
You make decisions with that brain? ;^)
| 761 |
gregb Mon, Aug 24, 2009 9:36:53am |
re: #324 opnion
It’s lonley being a White Sox fan, it’s kinda just me & a couple of other guys.
Go Angels! :-)
Or better yet, Go Ducks!
| 762 |
sattv4u2 Mon, Aug 24, 2009 9:37:17am |
re: #759 Daria Emmons
Charles did not link to this article to say “I am insulted.” (if he did, then the fact that he is insulted would be relevant)
He linked to prove he is a centrist, because the NYT insulted him.
As such, what is ultimately relevant is whether, on its own terms, the NYT insulted him, not whether Charles himself was insulted.
TRANSLATION
Charles has no reason to be insulted even though he was insulted. But the insult wasn’t an insult because it wasn;’t insulting even though it’s an insult
Do I have that right now???
| 763 |
Salamantis Mon, Aug 24, 2009 9:37:54am |
re: #756 Daria Emmons
You actually make a fair point here.
But that still does not make the term ‘feminist hawk’ into a negative or perjorative one.
There is no such thing as a cosmically definitive connotation. Terms are viewed positively or negatively, depending upon the semiotic perspective of the person contemplating the term.
And the perspective of both the writer of the piece and the author-assumed perspective of the readers for whom it was mainly intended is that the term ‘hawk’ is a derogatory label.
| 764 |
Kenneth Mon, Aug 24, 2009 9:39:04am |
Mahmoud Abbas Visits President Omar al-Bashir in Sudan
Aspiring genocider meets accomplished genocider.
| 765 |
Daria Emmons Mon, Aug 24, 2009 9:39:22am |
re: #760 Cato the Elder
You make decisions with that brain? ;^)
What the hell is that supposed to mean?
| 766 |
HoosierHoops Mon, Aug 24, 2009 9:40:05am |
re: #758 I am smarter than you
BTW - I have just learned that one of my essays will be published!
The Journal of Barely Suppressed Rage has agreed to publish my essay entitled “Grace Hopper: Indicting a Numericidal Gender Traitor”
In the text I explore how the much revered Grace Hopper should be condemned for committing crimes against humanity. Her crimes include -
Numericide - she was vital to the development of binary mathematics that have resulted in the phallocentric number “1” being considered “true” whereas the gynocentric “0” is considered false. She then took this false binary opposition and encoded it into compiler systems and the entire framework of computing so as to perpetuate and propagate this numericide to the extent that countless acts of “1” dominating “0” occur around the world every second.
Crimes against gender - by instituting her grand scheme of perpetual numericide and encoding false binary oppositions giving primacy to the phallocentric “1”, Grace Hopper has done extensive and permanent damage to women around the world. And the crime is perpetuated with every iPhone, every wrist watch, every keayboard, and even digitally programmable vibrators.
Aggravated Militarism - By continually accepting promotions in the US Naval Reserve and by continually providing the US Military with more sophisticated means of exploiting her gender-criminal computing devices, Grace Hopper was firmly committed to US imperialism and Militarism and is therefore is partly responsible for all of the US Military’s crimes of adventure since World War II.
Aggravated Corporatism - By continually accepting positions with large US coporations, Grace Hopper was a corporatist and guilty of all crimes of Corporatism which a too many to recite but are continually documented in careful detail at dailyKos.The paper was peer reviewed and the editor was kind enough to share the comments of one of the reviewers - “Dig up and reanimate the slack c*nted hausfrau so we can take her to The Hague. After her conviction we can have her raped by Serbian war criminals and then thrown in a wood chipper to demonstrate our collective resolve for non-violence and gender equity!”
Refreshing.
It has never been my intent to ever insult a lizard here…But that drivel is for a published Doctorate paper?
The reason 1 is true and zero is false doesn’t have a fucking thing to do about feminism…Phallic or otherwise..They teach Computer Science at your College don’t they?
*shakes head*
I guess I could easily be a Doctor…The Hoops Doctor..has a nice ring to it..
| 767 |
Kosh's Shadow Mon, Aug 24, 2009 9:40:59am |
re: #766 HoosierHoops
It has never been my intent to ever insult a lizard here…But that drivel is for a published Doctorate paper?
The reason 1 is true and zero is false doesn’t have a fucking thing to do about feminism…Phallic or otherwise..They teach Computer Science at your College don’t they?
*shakes head*
I guess I could easily be a Doctor…The Hoops Doctor..has a nice ring to it..
As Foghorn Leghorn says, “It’s a joke, son”
| 768 |
Silvergirl Mon, Aug 24, 2009 9:41:41am |
re: #758 I am smarter than you
What?
The paper was peer reviewed and the editor was kind enough to share the comments of one of the reviewers - “Dig up and reanimate the slack c*nted hausfrau so we can take her to The Hague. After her conviction we can have her raped by Serbian war criminals and then thrown in a wood chipper to demonstrate our collective resolve for non-violence and gender equity!”
A reviewer’s words?
| 769 |
Cato the Elder Mon, Aug 24, 2009 9:41:56am |
re: #766 HoosierHoops
Hoops - are you parodying the parodists today? ;^)
| 770 |
HoosierHoops Mon, Aug 24, 2009 9:42:06am |
re: #767 Kosh’s Shadow
As Foghorn Leghorn says, “It’s a joke, son”
Oh thank God…I couldn’t believe it…
a / would have been very welcome
| 771 |
Daria Emmons Mon, Aug 24, 2009 9:42:09am |
re: #762 sattv4u2
TRANSLATION
Charles has no reason to be insulted even though he was insulted. But the insult wasn’t an insult because it wasn;’t insulting even though it’s an insult
Do I have that right now???
Charles linked to the article to prove his centrist credentials, NOT because he was insulted. I believe the article does NOT prove his centrist credentials for reasons I already outlined.
Charles is a centrist, but for reasons which have nothing to do with the NYT article, which I view as free publicity and containing a helpful suggestion.
| 772 |
Cato the Elder Mon, Aug 24, 2009 9:42:46am |
re: #765 Daria Emmons
What the hell is that supposed to mean?
Put it under an electron microscope. I’m sure you can parse it then.
| 773 |
HoosierHoops Mon, Aug 24, 2009 9:43:04am |
re: #769 Cato the Elder
Hoops - are you parodying the parodists today? ;^)
Stupid Hoopster didn’t catch that…
| 774 |
Kenneth Mon, Aug 24, 2009 9:43:23am |
re: #766 HoosierHoops
Umm… I think you are missing the deep sarcasm in that post. It was satire, in the vein of the Sokol Affair.
| 775 |
Daria Emmons Mon, Aug 24, 2009 9:44:40am |
re: #772 Cato the Elder
Put it under an electron microscope. I’m sure you can parse it then.
Wow…you are extremely rude.
| 776 |
Kenneth Mon, Aug 24, 2009 9:45:04am |
re: #767 Kosh’s Shadow
As Foghorn Leghorn says, “It’s a joke, son”
“Ahm a pitchin’ ‘em, but you ain’t a catchin’ ‘em.”
| 777 |
itellu3times Mon, Aug 24, 2009 9:45:14am |
re: #758 I am smarter than you
BTW - I have just learned that one of my essays will be published!
The Journal of Barely Suppressed Rage has agreed to publish my essay entitled “Grace Hopper: Indicting a Numericidal Gender Traitor”
In the text I explore how the much revered Grace Hopper should be condemned for committing crimes against humanity. Her crimes include -
Numericide - she was vital to the development of binary mathematics that have resulted in the phallocentric number “1” being considered “true” whereas the gynocentric “0” is considered false. She then took this false binary opposition and encoded it into compiler systems and the entire framework of computing so as to perpetuate and propagate this numericide to the extent that countless acts of “1” dominating “0” occur around the world every second.
Crimes against gender - by instituting her grand scheme of perpetual numericide and encoding false binary oppositions giving primacy to the phallocentric “1”, Grace Hopper has done extensive and permanent damage to women around the world. And the crime is perpetuated with every iPhone, every wrist watch, every keayboard, and even digitally programmable vibrators.
Aggravated Militarism - By continually accepting promotions in the US Naval Reserve and by continually providing the US Military with more sophisticated means of exploiting her gender-criminal computing devices, Grace Hopper was firmly committed to US imperialism and Militarism and is therefore is partly responsible for all of the US Military’s crimes of adventure since World War II.
Aggravated Corporatism - By continually accepting positions with large US coporations, Grace Hopper was a corporatist and guilty of all crimes of Corporatism which a too many to recite but are continually documented in careful detail at dailyKos.
The paper was peer reviewed and the editor was kind enough to share the comments of one of the reviewers - “Dig up and reanimate the slack c*nted hausfrau so we can take her to The Hague. After her conviction we can have her raped by Serbian war criminals and then thrown in a wood chipper to demonstrate our collective resolve for non-violence and gender equity!”
Refreshing.
you are so smarter than me it is not funny
/paralyzed by giggles after reading your synopsis
| 778 |
Annar Mon, Aug 24, 2009 9:45:40am |
re: #367 MrSilverDragon
I’ll be impressed if someone can use the word transubstantiation as a pun.
The challenge is set.
| 779 |
Cato the Elder Mon, Aug 24, 2009 9:45:56am |
re: #773 HoosierHoops
Stupid Hoopster didn’t catch that…
That’s all right. Some people can’t tell a pejorative from a purgative. (doop-de-doop-de-do)
| 780 |
Cato the Elder Mon, Aug 24, 2009 9:46:52am |
| 781 |
itellu3times Mon, Aug 24, 2009 9:47:08am |
re: #765 Daria Emmons
You make decisions with that brain? ;^)What the hell is that supposed to mean?
Your honor, the defense, rests.
| 782 |
sattv4u2 Mon, Aug 24, 2009 9:47:50am |
re: #775 Daria Emmons
Wow…you are extremely rude.
He’s “rude”
You’ve been trying to tell us and Charles what should insult us and more importantly what should NOT
But HE’s rude!!
mmmkkaayy
| 783 |
HoosierHoops Mon, Aug 24, 2009 9:48:28am |
re: #779 Cato the Elder
That’s all right. Some people can’t tell a pejorative from a purgative. (doop-de-doop-de-do)
LOL I missed the day at school when we covered the P words…Dang it
| 784 |
Cato the Elder Mon, Aug 24, 2009 9:48:47am |
People who think “perjorative” is a word shouldn’t cast aspersions. Just sayin’.
| 785 |
Daria Emmons Mon, Aug 24, 2009 9:52:42am |
re: #782 sattv4u2
He’s “rude”
You’ve been trying to tell us and Charles what should insult us and more importantly what should NOT
But HE’s rude!!
mmmkkaayy
Well, I guess the better way to put things is this way:
Because only LLL’s get offended by the term ‘hawk,’ and the article only mentioned LGF as a way of example of one such ‘feminist hawk,’ this article only libels LGF if one is already a LLL.
As such, I just don’t see it as proving Charles is a centrist. It is NOT the equivalent form of bashing that he got from that ‘right wing’ site. That was why I wrote what I wrote.
WHY are we giving one flying fig what LLLs think? Should we only be offended when LLLs like us?
| 786 |
Kenneth Mon, Aug 24, 2009 9:52:55am |
Abbas to ask Sudanese president to help soften Hamas on unity talks
Synopsis: Holocaust denier asked genocider to moderate Islamic terrorists.
The mind reels!
| 787 |
Cato the Elder Mon, Aug 24, 2009 9:55:03am |
Actually the trend here is not to worry so much about “LLLs” anymore. It’s the wingbats who are makin’ the real crazy these days…
| 788 |
Daria Emmons Mon, Aug 24, 2009 9:57:30am |
re: #787 Cato the Elder
Actually the trend here is not to worry so much about “LLLs” anymore. It’s the wingbats who are makin’ the real crazy these days…
I 1000% disagree that wingbats are the ‘real crazies.’ They are crazies, but not the ‘real crazies,’ as opposed to moonbats who are in any way more sane today than they were years ago.
And it is an utter mistake to believe that.
There are right wing loonies out there, but that does not change the fact that there are still very dangerous left wing loonies.
Daily Kos did not stop being a bastion of hate. And now there is a whole blog which dissects the various ways Daily Kos, as but one example, is anti-Israel.
[Link: dailykoswatch.blogspot.com…]
| 789 |
Daria Emmons Mon, Aug 24, 2009 10:01:13am |
And I should add that Daily Kos is moderate compared to HuffPo, MyDD, Indymedia, and Myleftwing.
Obama’s election has not proved a moderating influence on the far left. All it has done is place a leftist in office who has a host of terrible ideas, and has activated the once less-vocal far right.
But the far left is absolutely still a threat.
| 790 |
garycooper Mon, Aug 24, 2009 10:01:31am |
re: #723 HoosierHoops
You are working on a doctorate in feminism and you lump all men into a sterotype?
Maybe you should change your Nic to ’ I Think I’m smarter than you but lack the means to prove it.’
Sorry Lizard..All men do not groupthink
I took “smarter’s” post as satire. You mean it was serious?!
| 791 |
debutaunt Mon, Aug 24, 2009 10:01:45am |
| 792 |
Cato the Elder Mon, Aug 24, 2009 10:07:22am |
So this person on a blog goes all sophist on me and starts thinking in quintuple negatives and casuistries, and I’m like, “you make decisions with that brain?”, and she’s all, “what?”, and I go, “parse it under an electron microscope”, and she’s like, “you’re rude”, and I’m LOL “you noticed?” and then the blog police had to come and someone said “perjorative” even though that’s not a word and…projectile laughter!
| 793 |
Daria Emmons Mon, Aug 24, 2009 10:15:21am |
re: #792 Cato the Elder
So this person on a blog goes all sophist on me and starts thinking in quintuple negatives and casuistries, and I’m like, “you make decisions with that brain?”, and she’s all, “what?”, and I go, “parse it under an electron microscope”, and she’s like, “you’re rude”, and I’m LOL “you noticed?” and then the blog police had to come and someone said “perjorative” even though that’s not a word and…projectile laughter!
Way to avoid any form of substantive reply to anything I wrote. You apparently believe the term ‘feminist hawk’ is an insult unto itself, and nothing else need be said, because it is self-provingly bad. (because in fact, that is the ONLY mention of LGF in the NY Times article - i.e., as a ‘feminist hawk’ blog)
As a feminist hawk, I am frankly stunned that anyone would view the term as an insulting one.
But you went on to say that LGF only catalogues the far-right crazies, and you implicitly agree with that. (Such a statement itself is evidence that you are NOT a centrist; if in fact Charles buys into such an argument, he is per se NOT a centrist. It is because I have seen Charles castigate both the far right and the far left that I believe him to be centrist.)
So I see from this you apparently only view the far right as a threat and buy into ‘feminist hawk’ being a derogatory word. Stunning.
Well, you certainly can never call yourself a centrist.
I will leave it at that.
| 794 |
Salamantis Mon, Aug 24, 2009 10:25:18am |
Actually, I am no more a feminist than I am a masculist; I am a gender egalitarian. I am also a racial egalitarian, a religious egalitarian, and a gender orientation egalitarian.
And I am an antijihadist because jihadists are the exact violently coercive sexist antisemitic religiously imperialist homophobic antitheses of these things.
| 795 |
Sharmuta Mon, Aug 24, 2009 10:33:43am |
re: #793 Daria Emmons
I find the term “feminist hawk” to be offensive for the very reasons others have stated above. It implies that the bearer of such a title is using feminism to advance the war on terror agenda and not because the bearer is a feminist for any other reason. To attach this label to a person who has clearly demonstrated a belief in gender equality regardless of the WoT is to tarnish that person’s character.
| 796 |
Lynn B. Mon, Aug 24, 2009 10:51:14am |
re: #759 Daria Emmons
Charles did not link to this article to say “I am insulted.” (if he did, then the fact that he is insulted would be relevant)
He linked to prove he is a centrist, because the NYT insulted him.
As such, what is ultimately relevant is whether, on its own terms, the NYT insulted him, not whether Charles himself was insulted.
How can you actually know why Charlies linked the article, unless you get inside his mind? (channeling your #739)
/see … that line of “reasoning” doesn’t work so well.
| 797 |
What, me worry? Mon, Aug 24, 2009 10:54:08am |
Feminists saw what was happening to Afghan women in the late 90s. The beatings, the killings, the make-up parties in hiding. World feminists cried out for justice. Not hawks, but women AND men who support rights for women. In the very least, for woman to be treated as Humans.
Why add the word “hawk”? Are there quiet feminist “kittens” cowering in the corners of the world? Women who identify with the word Feminist are already “out there” in one way or another. Either on or off the internet, actively supporting women’s causes or they did at one time or they picked up the torch from their mothers or grandmothers. These women usually run a pretty tight ship at home, and most likely can tell you a personal experience or two about misogyny.
You can recognize these women because they are labeled as —->
Strong women which equals —->
feminist = feminist hawk = feminist BITCH.
See how that works?
Virginia Heffernen can stick her hawk up her vejayjay.
HEY KIDS I’M BACK LOL
| 799 |
Fenris Mon, Aug 24, 2009 11:12:26am |
If you get chided by the LaRouchies, are you a sneaky ultra-leftie or a sneaky ultra-rightie?
| 800 |
victor_yugo Mon, Aug 24, 2009 11:16:26am |
re: #797 marjoriemoon
Are there quiet feminist “kittens” cowering in the corners of the world?
Yes, they’re hiding out in the NOW offices. They didn’t dare speak up in 2001 or 2003, because they didn’t want to appear to their membership as supporting Bush43. And they hardly dare speak up now, because their hypocrisy would be obvious to everyone.
| 801 |
victor_yugo Mon, Aug 24, 2009 11:16:54am |
re: #799 fenrisdesigns
If you get chided by the LaRouchies, are you a sneaky ultra-leftie or a sneaky ultra-rightie?
Neither. Just sane.
| 802 |
Daria Emmons Mon, Aug 24, 2009 11:23:06am |
re: #796 Lynn B.
How can you actually know why Charlies linked the article, unless you get inside his mind? (channeling your #739)
/see … that line of “reasoning” doesn’t work so well.
Very simple. Charles, in the very title of his article, said “stuck in the middle with you.” He also said that the NYT ‘smear’ combined with a far-right smear ‘counts as a win.’
In short, he very clearly linked to this article to prove he is a centrist - NOT to complain about being insulted.
Sharmuta,
Why exactly does the term ‘feminist hawk’ imply hawk before feminist? Where in the term does it imply that the bearer of the title is ‘using’ feminism to advance a particular agenda?
Salamantis,
The term ‘feminist’ does not imply female superiority. It rather implies a desire for female equality, because over the millenia, women have not been treated equally with men. And so yes, I am a feminist, as I believe in female equality with men.
| 803 |
Sharmuta Mon, Aug 24, 2009 11:27:43am |
re: #802 Daria Emmons
Why exactly does the term ‘feminist hawk’ imply hawk before feminist? Where in the term does it imply that the bearer of the title is ‘using’ feminism to advance a particular agenda?
Because a feminist already has an agenda which would not wax or wan with or without the war on terror. To believe a woman has the right to self-determination is enough of an ideological foundation, it requires no modifiers.
| 804 |
Daria Emmons Mon, Aug 24, 2009 11:29:50am |
re: #797 marjoriemoon
Feminists saw what was happening to Afghan women in the late 90s. The beatings, the killings, the make-up parties in hiding. World feminists cried out for justice. Not hawks, but women AND men who support rights for women. In the very least, for woman to be treated as Humans.
Why add the word “hawk”? Are there quiet feminist “kittens” cowering in the corners of the world? Women who identify with the word Feminist are already “out there” in one way or another. Either on or off the internet, actively supporting women’s causes or they did at one time or they picked up the torch from their mothers or grandmothers. These women usually run a pretty tight ship at home, and most likely can tell you a personal experience or two about misogyny.
You can recognize these women because they are labeled as —->
Strong women which equals —->
feminist = feminist hawk = feminist BITCH.
See how that works?
Virginia Heffernen can stick her hawk up her vejayjay.
HEY KIDS I’M BACK LOL
The National Organization of Women, under Bush, has taken a moral equivalence stance towards women issues in Islamic countries. Because they are against the GWoT, and because it is strongly arguable that the GWoT is necessary as a means of liberating women under siege in those same very countries, NOW and other such ‘feminist organizations,’ by being ‘dovish’ on the GWoT, have been dovish on misogyny.
I believe that is the underlying reason why the term ‘feminist hawk’ not only makes sense, but is a compliment.
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What, me worry? Mon, Aug 24, 2009 11:30:52am |
re: #800 victor_yugo
Yes, they’re hiding out in the NOW offices. They didn’t dare speak up in 2001 or 2003, because they didn’t want to appear to their membership as supporting Bush43. And they hardly dare speak up now, because their hypocrisy would be obvious to everyone.
I think you mean the Hawks (er…cough… bitches… cough) don’t you?
I used to follow Feminist.org more so than N.O.W. because they have been exposing the attacks on Afghan women for about 12 years now. My impression of N.O.W. is that they’re more about domestic issuss and Femnist Majority is more global (but I could be wrong about that).
But it doesn’t mean they aren’t both bitc…Oh I’m sorry… Strong women.
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Daria Emmons Mon, Aug 24, 2009 11:32:52am |
re: #803 Sharmuta
Because a feminist already has an agenda which would not wax or wan with or without the war on terror. To believe a woman has the right to self-determination is enough of an ideological foundation, it requires no modifiers.
Please see my reply to marjoriemoon.
I believe that the feminist agenda has in fact changed to essentially throw aggrieved women in Islamic lands to the dogs. They have taken a moral equivalence stance to women in Islamic lands and have failed to stand up for their core values.
Because I so believe the GWoT is necessary in a large part to defend and protect women, and because the term ‘feminist’ has become Orwellian-ized out of any coherent and comprehensive meaning, I am proud to add the monicker ‘hawk’ as a modifier to the term ‘feminist.’ Doing so does not imply I am a feminist only to the extent that I am a hawk. It rather implies that I believe the GWoT protects and defends women.
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Daria Emmons Mon, Aug 24, 2009 11:37:11am |
re: #805 marjoriemoon
I think you mean the Hawks (er…cough… bitches… cough) don’t you?
I used to follow Feminist.org more so than N.O.W. because they have been exposing the attacks on Afghan women for about 12 years now. My impression of N.O.W. is that they’re more about domestic issuss and Femnist Majority is more global (but I could be wrong about that).
But it doesn’t mean they aren’t both bitc…Oh I’m sorry… Strong women.
Just ask the former president of NOW, Tammy Bruce, about how NOW capitulates to Radical Islam. Or Phyllis Chesler, who also used to be very active with NOW. They have written books on the subject.
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Daria Emmons Mon, Aug 24, 2009 11:39:50am |
re: #807 Daria Emmons
Just ask the former president of NOW, Tammy Bruce, about how NOW capitulates to Radical Islam. Or Phyllis Chesler, who also used to be very active with NOW. They have written books on the subject.
I want to add that President Obama claims to be a ‘feminist,’ and his Cairo speech also failed to defend women in any sense at all. He perversely threw feminism on its head, and implied it to be a civil rights violation to ban the hijab. (!)
This is but one example of anti-feminist feminists.
For more on this topic, Phyllis Chesler wrote a great book, titled Women’s Inhumanity to Women.
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Salamantis Mon, Aug 24, 2009 11:42:52am |
The article was clearly intended by its author to be derogatory. Perhaps Charles considers its sneer to be a badge of honor, much as he might consider snark from DailyKos or the Vlaams Belang. You’d have to ask him about that.
And I choose the word ‘egalitarian’ precisely because it has to do with equality, all the way back to its cheese-eating roots.
You might try asking Phylis Chesler how NOW has betrayed feminist ideals.
[Link: www.pajamasmedia.com…]
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Lynn B. Mon, Aug 24, 2009 11:43:12am |
re: #802 Daria Emmons
Very simple. Charles, in the very title of his article, said “stuck in the middle with you.” He also said that the NYT ‘smear’ combined with a far-right smear ‘counts as a win.’
In short, he very clearly linked to this article to prove he is a centrist - NOT to complain about being insulted.
Uh, no. That’s YOUR interpretation and it’s not clear to me at all. There’s a big difference between celebrating being castigated by extremists on all sides and claiming that proves you’re a “centrist.” In fact, I don’t recall Charles ever claiming to be a “centrist” or anything else, other than an anti-idiotarian.
/Don’t look now, but I think your irony meter is broken.
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What, me worry? Mon, Aug 24, 2009 11:45:38am |
re: #804 Daria Emmons
The National Organization of Women, under Bush, has taken a moral equivalence stance towards women issues in Islamic countries. Because they are against the GWoT, and because it is strongly arguable that the GWoT is necessary as a means of liberating women under siege in those same very countries, NOW and other such ‘feminist organizations,’ by being ‘dovish’ on the GWoT, have been dovish on misogyny.
I believe that is the underlying reason why the term ‘feminist hawk’ not only makes sense, but is a compliment.
Dovish? No. Like I say, I follow The Feminist Majority (TFM) closer than N.O.W. I’m not a member of either. I was a member of N.O.W. a very long time ago.
At any rate, you go to TFM and they devote at least half of the site to Afghan women. The first headline is this: Women’s Fingers Cut Off in Afghan Election Violence
My point really is that you don’t need those adjectives to describe feminism. It is what it is. Now you may want to use Dove or Hawk to describe political leanings. I’ve referred to myself as a hawkish Democrat, but I can’t see those terms characterizing feminism.
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Salamantis Mon, Aug 24, 2009 11:50:03am |
Marjorie, here’s a link you might appreciate:
[Link: equalitynow.org…]
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Daria Emmons Mon, Aug 24, 2009 11:52:03am |
re: #810 Lynn B.
Uh, no. That’s YOUR interpretation and it’s not clear to me at all. There’s a big difference between celebrating being castigated by extremists on all sides and claiming that proves you’re a “centrist.” In fact, I don’t recall Charles ever claiming to be a “centrist” or anything else, other than an anti-idiotarian.
/Don’t look now, but I think your irony meter is broken.
What exactly does the term ‘stuck in the middle with you’ say? That was the very title of the post!
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Salamantis Mon, Aug 24, 2009 11:55:02am |
Charles is only an accidental centrist, because he is an intentional anti-idiotarian, and the idiotarians tend to cluster on the extremes.
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Sharmuta Mon, Aug 24, 2009 11:58:08am |
Daria Emmons-
I have read the Chesler book you mentioned. I am a great fan of Dr Chesler. And I don’t disagree about various factions of the feminist movement being selective in their approach. However, I do not allow them to define my feminism.
While I see where you are coming from, I think I should add a few points for you to consider about female misogyny that you are perhaps not considering, and I mean these specifically at the term “feminist hawk” and specifically at spencer and horowitz.
No where else in the record of these two men can you find strong support for feminist issues outside of the war on terror. They both certainly have the credentials and record to support the war on terror, but the support for feminism outside of the issues around islam is lacking. This causes me to consider just how sincerely held their feminist principles are and if they are not using feminism selectively to justify their “counter-jihad” agenda. If they are using feminism, that itself would be female misogyny- a misuse of women.
I, for one, do not find spencer and horowitz’s “feminism” to be sincere, but others may see it differently and likely do. However, I think their volumes of work speak for themselves. Feminism is perhaps a trojan horse for some. Talk about misogyny.
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Daria Emmons Mon, Aug 24, 2009 11:58:24am |
re: #811 marjoriemoon
Dovish? No. Like I say, I follow The Feminist Majority (TFM) closer than N.O.W. I’m not a member of either. I was a member of N.O.W. a very long time ago.
At any rate, you go to TFM and they devote at least half of the site to Afghan women. The first headline is this: Women’s Fingers Cut Off in Afghan Election Violence
My point really is that you don’t need those adjectives to describe feminism. It is what it is. Now you may want to use Dove or Hawk to describe political leanings. I’ve referred to myself as a hawkish Democrat, but I can’t see those terms characterizing feminism.
TFM at least does not appear to be as cognatively dissonant as NOW.
Nonetheless, it clearly does not believe in using the GWoT to advance women’s rights, as I do. (and that is why I like the term ‘feminist hawk.’)
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Daria Emmons Mon, Aug 24, 2009 12:00:59pm |
re: #815 Sharmuta
Daria Emmons-
I have read the Chesler book you mentioned. I am a great fan of Dr Chesler. And I don’t disagree about various factions of the feminist movement being selective in their approach. However, I do not allow them to define my feminism.
While I see where you are coming from, I think I should add a few points for you to consider about female misogyny that you are perhaps not considering, and I mean these specifically at the term “feminist hawk” and specifically at spencer and horowitz.
No where else in the record of these two men can you find strong support for feminist issues outside of the war on terror. They both certainly have the credentials and record to support the war on terror, but the support for feminism outside of the issues around islam is lacking. This causes me to consider just how sincerely held their feminist principles are and if they are not using feminism selectively to justify their “counter-jihad” agenda. If they are using feminism, that itself would be female misogyny- a misuse of women.
I, for one, do not find spencer and horowitz’s “feminism” to be sincere, but others may see it differently and likely do. However, I think their volumes of work speak for themselves. Feminism is perhaps a trojan horse for some. Talk about misogyny.
All of those points are valid and worthy of a longer discussion.
However, just because David Horowitz calls himself a ‘feminist hawk’ does not make the term an insult.
In that same vein, Ron Paul considers himself a Libertarian, and that does not render the term ‘Libertarian’ to be an insult. (I consider it a compliment, despite Ron Paul’s use of the term and his otherwise odious personage)
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Sharmuta Mon, Aug 24, 2009 12:01:21pm |
Eh- fudge. I’m mixing up terms. Not really female misogyny to misuse feminism when it’s men doing it. Women doing it would be engaging in female misogyny however. I won’t name names, but a couple come to mind in the “feminist hawk” category.
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JamesTKirk Mon, Aug 24, 2009 12:02:27pm |
re: #722 Annar
Polyamory is the correct term if the group contains m>=1 men and m>=1 women. It is not necessary that m=n. Polygamy and Polyandry are the special cases where n=1 & n>=2 or m=1 or m=1 & n>=2 respectively.
Polyamory does not necessarily imply that any or all of the participants are married.
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Salamantis Mon, Aug 24, 2009 12:06:45pm |
Charles might indeed consider it to be an insult to be lumped into the same pile with the likes of Robert Spencer and David Horowitz, but he would most probably consider such a misequivocation to have been driven as much by ignorance as by malevolence.
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Daria Emmons Mon, Aug 24, 2009 12:08:32pm |
re: #815 Sharmuta
Daria Emmons-
I have read the Chesler book you mentioned. I am a great fan of Dr Chesler. And I don’t disagree about various factions of the feminist movement being selective in their approach. However, I do not allow them to define my feminism.
While I see where you are coming from, I think I should add a few points for you to consider about female misogyny that you are perhaps not considering, and I mean these specifically at the term “feminist hawk” and specifically at spencer and horowitz.
No where else in the record of these two men can you find strong support for feminist issues outside of the war on terror. They both certainly have the credentials and record to support the war on terror, but the support for feminism outside of the issues around islam is lacking. This causes me to consider just how sincerely held their feminist principles are and if they are not using feminism selectively to justify their “counter-jihad” agenda. If they are using feminism, that itself would be female misogyny- a misuse of women.
I, for one, do not find spencer and horowitz’s “feminism” to be sincere, but others may see it differently and likely do. However, I think their volumes of work speak for themselves. Feminism is perhaps a trojan horse for some. Talk about misogyny.
One quick point on David Horowitz.
The man has a history of being a far left liberal, and by history, I mean that he was on the executive board of the black panthers in his youth, and abandoned the far left after he witnessed what he described as the murder of one of the panthers (at the hands of a black panther).
In any case, he (less so Robert Spencer) actually has a long history of having supported minority rights and women’s rights. He now devotes himself to supporting feminism by supporting the GWoT, and I don’t think there is evidence he is insincere in this endeavor.
Robert Spencer is really only known for being an anti-jihadist and has no independent feminist credentials, so your point more applies to him than David Horowitz.
With all that said, I don’t want this to imply I support David Horowitz, who, while has done some great work, has also done some pretty bad stuff. His most recent ill-thought out endeavor was to post a loving memorial to the known antisemite, Robert Novak. (However, all that is for a different thread and not on-topic)
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Daria Emmons Mon, Aug 24, 2009 12:10:26pm |
And I don’t consider it ‘misgynistic’ to use the term ‘feminism’ in order to advance the GWoT. In this case, I believe the shoe does fit.
It is cynical and debasing, however, to claim one a feminist only because of GWoT credentials.
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What, me worry? Mon, Aug 24, 2009 12:15:43pm |
The Cairo speech, in part:
“The U.S. government has gone to court to protect the right of women and girls to wear the hijab, and to punish those who would deny it.I reject the view of some in the West that a woman who chooses to cover her hair is somehow less equal, but I do believe that a woman who is denied an education is denied equality. And it is no coincidence that countries where women are well-educated are far more likely to be prosperous.
….
Our daughters can contribute just as much to society as our sons, and our common prosperity will be advanced by allowing all humanity - men and women - to reach their full potential. I do not believe that women must make the same choices as men in order to be equal, and I respect those women who choose to live their lives in traditional roles. But it should be their choice. That is why the United States will partner with any Muslim-majority country to support expanded literacy for girls, and to help young women pursue employment through micro-financing that helps people live their dreams.”
It was milk-toasty because he did not highlight the brutality of women in Islamic countries. He defended the hijab (a hair covering only not a body bag) and I agree with him to some extent. Access to education should be more important in Islamic countries, but when women are killed for not wearing a certain article of clothing, than clearly, the clothing trumps the education issue.
My perception is that his lack of strength when addressing brutality towards women is more indicative of how he addresses foreign audiences than his particular brand of feminism. He tends not to rile feathers and sometimes feathers need to be riled.
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Sharmuta Mon, Aug 24, 2009 12:17:19pm |
re: #821 Daria Emmons
horowitz funds robert spencer, btw. And horowitz has a long record of attacking feminism in academia. He’s also taking money from far right (anti-feminist) fundamentalist religious organizations- some of whom also provide money to groups like the discovery institute. When I say I doubt this man’s credentials it’s because I’ve done some homework. There are plenty of others on the “right” who could stand similar scrutiny. Some are not the allies we think they are.
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wrenchwench Mon, Aug 24, 2009 12:19:09pm |
re: #825 Sharmuta
Upding for following the money. Undeniable moral connection.
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Daria Emmons Mon, Aug 24, 2009 12:21:53pm |
re: #825 Sharmuta
horowitz funds robert spencer, btw. And horowitz has a long record of attacking feminism in academia. He’s also taking money from far right (anti-feminist) fundamentalist religious organizations- some of whom also provide money to groups like the discovery institute. When I say I doubt this man’s credentials it’s because I’ve done some homework. There are plenty of others on the “right” who could stand similar scrutiny. Some are not the allies we think they are.
I have not heard of David Horowitz getting money from anti-feminist groups. Can you provide links to that effect? I know he funds Robert Spencer - he is proud of that. But that is wholly different from being funded from anti-feminist groups.
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Sharmuta Mon, Aug 24, 2009 12:36:27pm |
re: #827 Daria Emmons
Would it be alright if I merely started you off with one link? I have come to believe it’s best if people do their own digging as they’re more likely to believe it. Many links I’ve provided in the past have been dismissed because they source is not ideologically pure enough or some such specious excuse despite the fact I have checked the sources and veracity of the link personally. This was one of the first links I came across and used to further my own investigation:
[Link: www.insidehighered.com…]
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Daria Emmons Mon, Aug 24, 2009 12:45:20pm |
re: #828 Sharmuta
Would it be alright if I merely started you off with one link? I have come to believe it’s best if people do their own digging as they’re more likely to believe it. Many links I’ve provided in the past have been dismissed because they source is not ideologically pure enough or some such specious excuse despite the fact I have checked the sources and veracity of the link personally. This was one of the first links I came across and used to further my own investigation:
[Link: www.insidehighered.com…]
I just glanced at the article, which does not say what you claim it says.
It contains not one word about anti-feminist groups funding David Horowitz. It also laughably claims there is no bias in higher education. (when that is self-evident) That David Horowitz is funded by some of the same people who fund the Federalist Society does not make him anti-feminist.
One of my closest friends was the president of her own federalist societies are her law school, and she can say firsthand that this is NOT an anti-feminist institution.
I simply disagree with the article’s conclusions and claims, as well as the ideological leanings of its author.
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Sharmuta Mon, Aug 24, 2009 12:46:10pm |
re: #829 Daria Emmons
Well- there is much, much more than the one link if you’re willing to look.
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Cato the Elder Mon, Aug 24, 2009 12:49:26pm |
re: #793 Daria Emmons
Way to avoid any form of substantive reply to anything I wrote.
Thank you. It’s called mockery.
I don’t engage obsessive-compulsive blather. I make fun of it.
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Cato the Elder Mon, Aug 24, 2009 12:53:12pm |
I’m sorry, did I say “blather”? I meant “twaddle”.
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What, me worry? Mon, Aug 24, 2009 1:00:57pm |
re: #822 Daria Emmons
And I don’t consider it ‘misgynistic’ to use the term ‘feminism’ in order to advance the GWoT. In this case, I believe the shoe does fit.
It is cynical and debasing, however, to claim one a feminist only because of GWoT credentials.
I don’t know. Whatever helps women who are hurting is fine with me. And whatever makes others aware of the injustices, I’m there. Some folks are definitely more “hawkish” in their feminism than others, either devoting their lives to it, actively supporting it, what have you. I could definitely be more up-to-date, but when I saw “hawk” in this article, I instantly thought of “bitch”. It can’t just be Feminism. It has to be Hawkish Feminism. Labels like this are meant to separate instead of gathering people together.
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Lynn B. Mon, Aug 24, 2009 1:05:17pm |
re: #830 Sharmuta
Well- there is much, much more than the one link if you’re willing to look.
Shar, I’m sure there is but I’ve been following Horowitz pretty closely for years now and I’ve never seen a hint of misogyny from him. I have plenty of issues with him but that wouldn’t be one.
Nor would I characterize the organizations that are usually mentioned as funding his Freedom Center (e.g., the Bradley Foundation, the various Scaife Foundations, the Olin Foundation) as anti-feminist. They’re right-wing, for sure, some might even say extreme right wing (I grew up in Pittsburgh … I’m all too familiar with the Scaifes) and some if not most of them tend to fund other questionable enterprises, but I think you’d be hard pressed to find any major foundation that doesn’t fund things you’d find problematic.
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Daria Emmons Mon, Aug 24, 2009 1:08:12pm |
re: #833 marjoriemoon
I don’t know. Whatever helps women who are hurting is fine with me. And whatever makes others aware of the injustices, I’m there. Some folks are definitely more “hawkish” in their feminism than others, either devoting their lives to it, actively supporting it, what have you. I could definitely be more up-to-date, but when I saw “hawk” in this article, I instantly thought of “bitch”. It can’t just be Feminism. It has to be Hawkish Feminism. Labels like this are meant to separate instead of gathering people together.
I don’t know. I view the term ‘feminist hawk’ as a descriptor rather than a term meant to separate people.
It is what separates me from TFM, which is pacifistic, as opposed to me. In fact, I view the pacifist language of TFM to be essentially off-putting and a way of degrading true feminism.
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Sharmuta Mon, Aug 24, 2009 1:15:42pm |
[Link: www.aaupuc.org…]
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Daria Emmons Mon, Aug 24, 2009 1:25:44pm |
re: #836 Sharmuta
[Link: www.aaupuc.org…]
This ties David Horowitz to some of the same people who back the Discovery Institute, but not to the Discovery Institute itself.
I should add that Horowitz is publicly secular - even an agnostic. He also has publicly condemned creationism. And the extremely weak connection to the Discovery Institute does not mean he suddenly endorses creationism or their agenda.
Moreover, the Discovery Institute is not known to be anti-feminist. (rather anti-evolution, but there is a difference)
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Sharmuta Mon, Aug 24, 2009 1:31:46pm |
re: #837 Daria Emmons
This ties David Horowitz to some of the same people who back the Discovery Institute, but not to the Discovery Institute itself.
Right- that’s what I said. He takes money from the same people the DI takes money from. I did not state otherwise.
If you don’t see taking money from Dominionists as possibly being anti-feminist, I don’t know what to say. I don’t personally see it as innocuous.
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Daria Emmons Mon, Aug 24, 2009 1:38:34pm |
re: #838 Sharmuta
Right- that’s what I said. He takes money from the same people the DI takes money from. I did not state otherwise.
If you don’t see taking money from Dominionists as possibly being anti-feminist, I don’t know what to say. I don’t personally see it as innocuous.
How can anyone control where their funders send money? David Horowitz is not accepting money from the Discovery Institute, but rather some people who also send money to the Discovery Institute. Given Horowitz has publicly condemned creationism (and is publicly agnostic), I see that little fact to be irrelevant and proving essentially nothing.
If you go to that level of fear of association, then literally nothing will get done.
You said there is a money trail between David Horowitz and anti-feminists. Thus far I do not see one. Generally right wing people, yes (but that was already known and is not a revelation). But not anti-feminists.
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Daria Emmons Mon, Aug 24, 2009 1:42:03pm |
My central point is that the term ‘feminist hawk’ is not an insult unto itself. It is not as if the NYT called LGF ‘Nazis’ or ‘rabid right-wingers.’
Their ‘insult’ was more only an insult in the eye of the beholder.
And moreover, I believe the term ‘feminist hawk’ is actually a term to be quite proud of. In a backhanded way, NYT complimented Charles Johnson and LGF.
To the extent NYT ‘insulted’ LGF, was only that it wrote of it within the same sentence as Jihad Watch. But that was not an insult unto itself, as on its face, LGF does share some commonalities with Jihad Watch. (namely, concern about misogyny within Islamic Supremacism)
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Daria Emmons Mon, Aug 24, 2009 6:17:54pm |
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