The Party of Ron Paul

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The mainstreaming of paleo-libertarian isolationist Ron Paul in the GOP continues apace, as wacky Minnesota Rep. Michele Bachmann announces she’s a convert to the Paulian cult, and has invited the crazy uncle to speak as an expert on monetary policy: Bachmann to host town hall with Rep. Ron Paul.

In an interview with AM 1280 on Saturday, Rep. Michele Bachmann announced that she will have Rep. Ron Paul as her guest for a September town hall forum in St. Cloud.

“I’ll be doing another town hall up in the St. Cloud area in September and we’ll do that on monetary policy. Ron Paul is going to come in and we are going to host something on monetary policy,” Bachmann said.

Bachmann is a convert to the Ron Paul movement, sometimes attending the congressman’s weekly lunches.

(Hat tip: Killgore.)

Also see
Dr. No’s Big Moment The Ron Paul Party? The Mainstreaming of Ron Paul The Return of the John Birch Society Ron Paul and the John Birch Society

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375 comments
1 itellu3times  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 3:39:26pm

nobody expects the spanish inquisition

2 zombie  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 3:40:17pm

From joke to bloke in one short year.

3 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 3:40:25pm

RON PAU…aw, ferget it.

4 Shug  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 3:40:33pm

Michelle is nuts.
Totally not out of character for her

5 gregb  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 3:40:51pm

He’s right on one thing, people in general are terrified of the uncertainty what government might do with healthcare.

So Ron Paul and Howard Dean are both MD’s that ran for president. Any others?

6 [deleted]  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 3:41:05pm
7 Racer X  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 3:41:23pm

He’s a gynecologist! NOT a finance expert!

8 freetoken  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 3:41:25pm

The question is, which sounds worse:

“The Party of Ron Paul”
or
“The Party of Michele Bachmann”

?

9 tradewind  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 3:41:31pm

So down here, all you need for a Ron Paul party is a couple of kids with cans of spray paint and climbing gear…

10 Shug  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 3:41:47pm

I also blame the Democrats.

4 trillion in debt this year?
The Democrats spending orgy Makes wackos like Paul seem like a fiscal genius

11 SixDegrees  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 3:41:48pm
Bachmann is a convert to the Ron Paul movement

When I read “the Ron Paul movement,” I’m sure the picture in my head is totally different from the one in Bachman’s.

12 JCM  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 3:42:31pm

It’s all your fault Charles!

All those innerwebz polls you ran that Ron Paul won! That’s what did it!

///

The stoopid keep getting stronger. GAH!

13 Charles Johnson  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 3:42:50pm

Bachmann has been touted as a possible prez candidate.

14 wrenchwench  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 3:42:50pm

re: #11 SixDegrees

When I read “the Ron Paul movement,” I’m sure the picture in my head is totally different from the one in Bachman’s.

I’m pretty sure the picture in your head is the reality in hers.

15 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 3:43:27pm

re: #13 Charles

Bachmann has been touted as a possible prez candidate.


Not gonna happen.

16 zombie  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 3:43:44pm

The first Ron Paul supporter I ever saw looked like this.

I thought right then and there: Oooo-kaayyy. These people are obviously kooks. Never will get any traction.

Boy, was I wrong.

17 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 3:44:27pm

re: #13 Charles

Bachmann has been touted as a possible prez candidate.

By whom? Or is it “by who”? I can never get that straight.

Anyway, who is crazy enough to tout her as a POTUS candidate?

18 [deleted]  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 3:45:15pm
19 SpaceJesus  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 3:45:26pm

lol

Image: ron_paul_starting_constitution.gif

20 karmic_inquisitor  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 3:45:52pm

When did the American right adopt French-envy?

Because Ron Paul is the Jean-Marie Le Pen of American politics.

Even the cultivation of an heir is in the works.

Now all we need is for him to be the nominee so that an incompetent President can safely beat him and preserve his incumbency against all odds.

21 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 3:46:35pm

re: #18 buzzsawmonkey

Oh my damn! Bad Buzz! Bad!

22 Shug  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 3:46:36pm

My cousin is a Paulian chiropractor in Arizona.
Anti vaxer. The whole works


CRAZY

23 coquimbojoe  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 3:47:21pm

Now that I am done dry heaving… I think the fascination with Luap Nor is purely a retroactive thing. Many of those of us who voted for McCain (hold more dry heaves…) did so because we didn’t like the rest of the feild. I don’t think McCain would have been much better. Ron Paul starts looking better as we pull away from the hype around the election.

McCain, Obama and Luap Nor, what a sorry bunch of a$$holes, hopefully never to grace the public stage again…

24 Dahveed  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 3:47:32pm

The Republican Party is doing a real fine job of giving people no good reason to vote for them. This continues and Pres. Obama will coast to a second term.

25 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 3:47:32pm

re: #19 spacejesus

[Link: www.naturalfamilyblog.com…]

Iz in ur constitooshun, lectrocuting ur rites!

26 tradewind  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 3:48:14pm

re: #13 Charles

Dennis Kucinich actually made it into a couple of the presidential debates. Didn’t make him any more viable as a candidate, or any more likely to snag a nomination.
My Sunday newspaper’s copy of Parade published a serious question:

Will Ralph Nader Run Again in ‘12?
27 karmic_inquisitor  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 3:48:20pm

re: #18 buzzsawmonkey

Well, we’ve had the Bull Moose Party. Guess now it’s time for the Camel Toe Party.

I am glad that I had safely digested my last meal prior to reading that.

28 SasquatchOnSteroids  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 3:48:22pm

re: #16 zombie

The first Ron Paul supporter I ever saw looked like this.

I thought right then and there: Oooo-kaayyy. These people are obviously kooks. Never will get any traction.

Boy, was I wrong.

That needs a warning. Yeesh.

29 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 3:48:22pm

This is good. For a matter of fact, I wish this kind of stuff would speed up a bit. Gather all the nuts together, in all the little bushels, all at the same time and toss it all out.

Then, eventually and hopefully we will have left some reasonable conservatives who will gain a new and fresh foothold in this country and save it from the throws of socialism. Sound like a good time for all thinking conservatives.

I know the progressive glee at these kind of reports, but, I really see a silver lining. A lot of this weirdness in far from new, the far-right, Birchers, militias and other wacko conservatives are really not new, and every few decades (for over a hundred years), they pop up, gain some strength and they have to be knocked back down.

The difference between the conservatives and progressives, we eventually stuff the nuts back in the sacks, the progressive just get further and further left.

Observe Obama.

30 coquimbojoe  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 3:48:25pm

re: #16 zombie

The first Ron Paul supporter I ever saw looked like this.

Her dad told me she was the best kisser in Contra Costa County… (He was right!!!)

31 tradewind  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 3:48:55pm

re: #22 Shug

OMG. A triple threat.
:)

32 Erik The Red  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 3:49:11pm

re: #18 buzzsawmonkey

Well, we’ve had the Bull Moose Party. Guess now it’s time for the Camel Toe Party.

I am sure we can find a better poster person than this tho. :)

33 SasquatchOnSteroids  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 3:49:15pm

re: #18 buzzsawmonkey

Well, we’ve had the Bull Moose Party. Guess now it’s time for the Camel Toe Party.

You
Owe
Me
A
Monitor.

Bwaahaaahaaahaaa.

34 wrenchwench  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 3:49:47pm

This guy is a candidate for the nomination to run as a Republican for Congress in the Third District of New Mexico:

Youtube Video

It is difficult to get a serious (ie: non-Paulian) candidate because, even though the incumbent is a freshman, he is a well-connected Hispanic Dem in a very Hispanic, very Dem district. In a very corrupt state, I might add.

35 coquimbojoe  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 3:50:02pm

re: #22 Shug

My cousin is a Paulian chiropractor in Arizona.
Anti vaxer. The whole works

CRAZY

Paging Dr. Shug! I got yer Noni juice right here!

36 yochanan  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 3:51:07pm

NOR LAUP !KCUF

37 zombie  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 3:51:15pm

Speaking of crazies in denial…

I recently browsed through various lefty blog threads about anti-Obama protests to see how they were “coping” with my “Death Threats Against Bush at Protests Ignored for Years” post.

The breathtaking answer? They’re trying to claim that none of the photos were taken in the US! I guess there is no other way to wriggle out of the implications of the report.

Actually, they’re not trying to claim the photos aren’t from the US: they’re just stating it outright as a given fact.

I’ve gone on to a few of them to give smackdowns, and a few heads have exploded. I polnt out that 98% of the photos have definitive attributions, and are shown in context in US repoorts. The main responses to that are:
1. Change the subject.
2. Yell at me and act all huffy.
3. Repeat the lie as if it hadn’t been debunked
4. (most common) Fall completely silent and move on to a new thread.

First time I’ve gone troll-hunting in Moonbat Safari Park in quite a while.

38 BlackFedora  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 3:51:29pm

re: #6 buzzsawmonkey

That is wit! Well played!

39 calcajun  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 3:51:47pm

Makes you kind of hanker for the Nelson Rockefeller-kind of Republican, doesn’t it? Spiro Agnew was a sage and paragon of virtue compare to Crazy Uncle Ron. Guess that makes me another nattering nabob of negativity.

40 SpaceJesus  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 3:51:51pm

re: #25 Slumbering Behemoth

Iz in ur constitooshun, lectrocuting ur rites!


dont worry! DOCTOR Ron Paul is here to save us

41 Killian Bundy  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 3:52:19pm

NRCC Adds Bachmann to List of Most Vulnerable Incumbents

The National Republican Congressional Committee has added another Minnesota representative to its list of most vulnerable incumbents for 2010: Rep. Michele Bachmann [R-Minn.] joins Rep. Erik Paulsen [R-Minn.] in the NRCC’s “Patriot Program,” Roll Call reports.

The NRCC announced it is adding 15 more candidates to its fundraising program, bumping the total count of incumbents to 25. Bachmann’s addition means she’ll compete to make a final cut of 10 candidates who’ll participate in the next “Patriot Day,” a one-day fundraiser that brought in almost $100,000 last time it was held, in June. […]

The Swing State Project states that Bachmann is in “real danger” next election; she’s among three “Patriot Program” members elected with the lowest margin of victory in 2008 — three percentage points or less.

/Presidential candidate?

42 SpaceJesus  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 3:52:35pm

re: #34 wrenchwench

This guy is a candidate for the nomination to run as a Republican for Congress in the Third District of New Mexico:


[Video]It is difficult to get a serious (ie: non-Paulian) candidate because, even though the incumbent is a freshman, he is a well-connected Hispanic Dem in a very Hispanic, very Dem district. In a very corrupt state, I might add.

how exactly is new mexico very corrupt?

43 yochanan  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 3:52:40pm

Bull Moose Party. There was a bull moose faction in the GOP that seemed rather rational pre 9-11
and T.R. was the type of Repubican this zionist neo con could like.

44 calcajun  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 3:52:52pm

re: #6 buzzsawmonkey

When can we start referring to Ron Paul as being beyond the paleo?

As soon as he calls for the ‘Raptor Round-up! Yee-ha!.

45 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 3:53:14pm

re: #42 SpaceJesus

how exactly is new mexico very corrupt?

Do you live there?

46 Sharmuta  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 3:53:19pm

The paulians are populists with a very unseemly agenda. They’d rather disrupt society than work within the framework of the system.

47 BlackFedora  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 3:53:21pm

Bachmann is a convert to the Ron Paul movement, cult.

Fixed.

48 wrenchwench  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 3:53:36pm

More on Adam Kokesh. [Two links there]

49 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 3:54:01pm

re: #46 Sharmuta

The paulians are populists with a very unseemly agenda. They’d rather disrupt society than work within the framework of the system.

No kidding.

50 [deleted]  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 3:54:02pm
51 calcajun  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 3:54:21pm

re: #40 SpaceJesus

dont worry! DOCTOR Ron Paul is here to save us

Mengle was a doctor, too. Both have wacky ideas on what “harm” means in the Hippocratic oath.

52 Charles Johnson  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 3:54:33pm

Yes, Presidential candidate. She’ll run with the Weird Nut Drooly Party:

[Link: www.wnd.com…]

53 SpaceJesus  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 3:54:34pm

re: #45 Walter L. Newton

Do you live there?

it’s where I go to school, so yes

54 yochanan  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 3:54:51pm

the larouchies are the ones calling the zero a nazi frankly these nut cases aren’t republicans

55 zombie  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 3:55:28pm

re: #52 Charles

Yes, Presidential candidate. She’ll run with the Weird Nut Drooly Party:

[Link: www.wnd.com…]

She’ll probably get as much support as Dennis Kucinich did at the opposite end of the spectrum.

56 quickjustice  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 3:55:39pm

Dr. Ron Paul’s a gynecologist! That could explain Bachmann’s sudden interest in him! She’s his newest patient! ;-)

You know the old joke: what’s difference between a $250 pelvic exam and a $500 pelvic exam?

57 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 3:55:41pm

re: #52 Charles

Yes, Presidential candidate. She’ll run with the Weird Nut Drooly Party:

[Link: www.wnd.com…]


Did she clear this with her husband?

58 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 3:55:43pm

re: #52 Charles

Ah! So those are the ones crazy enough to tout her as a potential POTUS. Figures.

59 calcajun  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 3:55:43pm

re: #42 SpaceJesus

how exactly is new mexico very corrupt?

I don’t know, but it’s cleaner than the older version.//

60 SasquatchOnSteroids  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 3:56:24pm

re: #56 quickjustice

Dr. Ron Paul’s a gynecologist! That could explain Bachmann’s sudden interest in him! She’s his newest patient! ;-)

You know the old joke: what’s difference between a $250 pelvic exam and a $500 pelvic exam?

$250.

61 calcajun  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 3:56:24pm

re: #56 quickjustice

Dr. Ron Paul’s a gynecologist! That could explain Bachmann’s sudden interest in him! She’s his newest patient! ;-)

You know the old joke: what’s difference between a $250 pelvic exam and a $500 pelvic exam?

The Rolex that gets left behind?

62 Racer X  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 3:56:38pm

re: #56 quickjustice

Dr. Ron Paul’s a gynecologist! That could explain Bachmann’s sudden interest in him! She’s his newest patient! ;-)

You know the old joke: what’s difference between a $250 pelvic exam and a $500 pelvic exam?

Warm hands?

63 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 3:56:59pm

re: #56 quickjustice

Does this story have a Happy Ending?

64 yochanan  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 3:57:03pm

re: #56 quickjustice

one has a brass pole

65 wrenchwench  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 3:57:04pm

re: #42 SpaceJesus

how exactly is new mexico very corrupt?

I don’t even know where to start. Richardson is under investigation. I’ll see whether I can find some illuminating links…

66 [deleted]  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 3:57:23pm
67 Dahveed  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 3:57:30pm

re: #54 yochanan

The LaRouchies “align” themselves with the Democratic Party. Well, they are not anything like any Democrats I know. They are certainly nothing like Republicans. What they really are is some bizarre cult.

68 DEZes  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 3:57:41pm

re: #60 SasquatchOnSteroids

$250.

I was gonna say a kiss.

69 calcajun  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 3:58:09pm

re: #63 Slumbering Behemoth

Does this story have a Happy Ending?

Have you clicked your heels three times yet?//

70 zombie  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 3:58:23pm

Charles, have you installed Snow Leopard yet? Or is it still a day or two before it’s released from the cage? I’m a bit curious as to whether it’s worth the upgrade.

71 idioma  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 3:58:39pm

“I especially want to speak to the 19- to 20-year olds so they can know what there future will be under this level of debt accumulation and spending,”

“their future”

not

“there future”

72 Shug  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 3:58:44pm

re: #63 Slumbering Behemoth

Does this story have a Happy Ending?

That costs extra

73 calcajun  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 3:59:11pm

re: #66 buzzsawmonkey

Since Ron Paul is a gynecologist, he’s trying to stirrup the electorate.

…and forcep-ly steal the GOP from the saner members.

74 SasquatchOnSteroids  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 3:59:22pm

re: #66 buzzsawmonkey

Since Ron Paul is a gynecologist, he’s trying to stirrup the electorate.

And y’alls just keep Pap Smearing the good doc.

75 Racer X  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 3:59:51pm

re: #66 buzzsawmonkey

Since Ron Paul is a gynecologist, he’s trying to stirrup the electorate.

Nuh-ah! Thats just a smear!

76 Ojoe  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 3:59:54pm

Time for a new center party IMHO.

Add up all the independents and people rather too disgusted to vote, but still intelligent & I think you would have a majority.

77 SpaceJesus  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 3:59:59pm

re: #65 wrenchwench

I don’t even know where to start. Richardson is under investigation. I’ll see whether I can find some illuminating links…

indeed. richardson is a pudgy, scandalous man.

78 yochanan  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 4:00:02pm

re: #67 Dahveed

i don’t see them as democrats at one time they split off the trotskite S.W.P. and were ultra left u.s. labor party after a couple of years on the radical left the moved to the radical right as a neo fascist cult. about the only thing they kept from there marxist leftist period was there rabid anti zionism/anti semitism

79 idioma  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 4:00:21pm

re: #13 Charles

Bachmann has been touted as a possible prez candidate.

That would be an awesome debate!*

*the term “awesome” is used to describe an elaborate drinking game.

80 Killian Bundy  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 4:01:00pm
Finally, WND asked Bachmann if she could see a day when the candidate who began her political career in jeans and a holey sweatshirt would one day run for the presidency.

“If I felt that’s what the Lord was calling me to do, I would do it,” she answered. “When I have sensed that the Lord is calling me to do something, I’ve said yes to it. But I will not seek a higher office if God is not calling me to do it. That’s really my standard.

“If I am called to serve in that realm I would serve,” she concluded, “but if I am not called, I wouldn’t do it.”

/I’m pretty sure God’s not going to make that call, at least not if he or she is a Republican

81 calcajun  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 4:01:07pm

re: #74 SasquatchOnSteroids

And y’alls just keep Pap Smearing the good doc.

We’re dilated to be doing something constructive.

82 yochanan  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 4:01:07pm

re: #78 yochanan

i don’t see them as democrats at one time they split off the trotskite S.W.P. and were ultra left u.s. labor party after a couple of years on the radical left the moved to the radical right as a neo fascist cult. about the only thing they kept from there marxist leftist period was there rabid anti zionism/anti semitism

they also have a history of being thugs.

83 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 4:01:24pm

re: #53 SpaceJesus

it’s where I go to school, so yes

Answer the question, thanks!

84 wrenchwench  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 4:02:20pm

re: #77 SpaceJesus

indeed. richardson is a pudgy, scandalous man.

Try this one.

More National Attention for NM
It’s not our beautiful sunsets. It’s not our tasty green chile or tri-cultural way of life.

It’s our (alleged) corruption.

[article about Rebecca Vigil Giron]…

Nothing new really, at least for those of us who follow state politics. Just another blow to our national repuation

85 RightOnTheLeftCoast  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 4:03:01pm

Holy crap!
If we’re left to choose between the Paulians and The Obamatons, we are royally and irrevocably screwed. I fear for my country.

86 reine.de.tout  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 4:03:03pm

re: #32 Erik The Red

I am sure we can find a better poster person than this tho. :)

I dunno, she looked perfect for the Camel Toe Party.
ew.

87 Sharmuta  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 4:03:08pm

re: #76 Ojoe

Time for a new center party IMHO.

Add up all the independents and people rather too disgusted to vote, but still intelligent & I think you would have a majority.

I agree. The problem is there is no party seeking this section of the electorate as their base.

88 SasquatchOnSteroids  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 4:03:27pm

Gynecologist : Damn, you have a big vagina. Damn, you have a big vagina.

Patient : You didn’t have to say it twice.

G : I didn’t.

89 zombie  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 4:03:36pm

British author Sebastian Faulks, who up until yesterday was a favorite among leftist intellectuals, read the Koran as research for his latest novel, and had this to say:

Author Sebastian Faulks risks Muslim fury by describing the Koran as the ‘depressing rantings of a schizophrenic’

Best-selling novelist Sebastian Faulks has risked incurring the wrath of Muslims by dismissing the Koran as just ‘the depressive rantings of a schizophrenic’ with ‘no ethical dimension’.

The author of Birdsong and Engleby also claimed that, compared to the Bible, the Islamic holy scripture is ‘barren’.

Faulks, who turned to the Koran while researching his latest novel, said: ‘It’s a depressing book. It really is. It’s just the rantings of a schizophrenic. It’s very one-dimensional, and people talk about the beauty of the Arabic and so on, but the English translation I read was, from a literary point of view, very disappointing.

‘There is also the barrenness of the message,’ he told The Sunday Times. ‘I mean, there are some bits about diet, you know, the equivalent of the Old Testament, which is also crazy.

‘But the great thing about the Old Testament is that it does have these incredible stories. Of the 100 greatest stories ever told, 99 are probably in the Old Testament and the other is in Homer.

‘With the Koran there are no stories. And it has no ethical dimension like the New Testament, no new plan for life. It says ‘the Jews and the Christians were along the right tracks, but actually, they were wrong and I’m right, and if you don’t believe me, tough — you’ll burn for ever’. That’s basically the message of the book.’

Faulks read the Koran to help him write A Week in December, which will be published next month.

Welcome to the Salman Rushdie Club, Sebastian!

90 Danny  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 4:03:55pm

I think Bachmann should run for president…dressed up like Wonder Woman.

91 JCM  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 4:03:56pm

re: #76 Ojoe

Time for a new center party IMHO.

Add up all the independents and people rather too disgusted to vote, but still intelligent & I think you would have a majority.

Current political party situation…

Youtube Video
92 calcajun  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 4:04:30pm

re: #83 Walter L. Newton

Answer the question, thanks!

You forgot to add, “Don’t wait for the translation.”//

93 reine.de.tout  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 4:04:41pm

re: #42 SpaceJesus

how exactly is new mexico very corrupt?

It abuts a state in “the south”, does it not?

94 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 4:04:56pm

re: #83 Walter L. Newton

Answer the question, thanks!

I meant “Answers the question.”

95 quickjustice  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 4:05:22pm

And the correct answer is: (pulling on examining gloves): This is a $250 pelvic (wiggles two fingers), and this is a $500 pelvic (wiggles four fingers).

96 calcajun  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 4:05:24pm

re: #89 zombie

Tell him to start watching his back.

97 [deleted]  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 4:05:45pm
98 calcajun  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 4:06:06pm

re: #93 reine.de.tout

It abuts a state in “the south”, does it not?

Texas is between it and Louisiana, dear.///

99 quickjustice  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 4:06:34pm

re: #89 zombie

I think he purchased the wrong translation!

100 Racer X  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 4:06:44pm

re: #88 SasquatchOnSteroids

Flashlight? Help me find my car keys and we can drive out.

101 itellu3times  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 4:07:01pm

re: #89 zombie

‘But the great thing about the Old Testament is that it does have these incredible stories. Of the 100 greatest stories ever told, 99 are probably in the Old Testament and the other is in Homer.

That’s just silly.

The New Testament has a couple of good stories.

And the Koran has this action story about how one guy and his sandworm riding minions conquered an empire.

102 zombie  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 4:07:10pm

re: #90 Danny

I think Bachmann should run for president…dressed up like Wonder Woman.

Weird! Are you saying that because the Truther person in the same report as my “Ron Paul” lady looked like this?

103 calcajun  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 4:08:15pm

re: #102 zombie

Weird! Are you saying that because the Truther person in the same report as my “Ron Paul” lady looked like this?

The real Wonder Woman don’t need no liposuction. //

104 Sharmuta  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 4:08:15pm
“I’ll be doing another town hall up in the St. Cloud area in September and we’ll do that on monetary policy. Ron Paul is going to come in and we are going to host something on monetary policy,” Bachmann said.

Why do I get the feeling these policies only extend to auditing the fed instead of getting to the real issue of Congressional budget busting?

105 wrenchwench  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 4:08:40pm

New Mexico can’t even prosecute corruption without running into more corruption:

One of two assistant attorney generals prosecuting the case against former Secretary of State Rebecca Vigil-Giron and three others was once fired by one of the defendants in the case, former AG employee Elizabeth Kupfer.

The fact that a prosecutor on the case is charged with trying to secure a conviction against a woman who carried out his firing is one of the main points defense attorneys plan to cite in arguing that current AG Gary King’s office has no business prosecuting the case.

Kupfer’s attorney, Hank Farrah, confirmed in an interview that Kupfer carried out the firing of Assistant Attorney General Chris Lackmann sometime during the administration of former AG Patricia Madrid, who ordered the firing. Farrah would not reveal other details.

During Madrid’s administration — and the time of the alleged crimes — Kupfer was the administrative services director in the AG’s office.

Lackmann was rehired sometime after King took office in 2007, and is now assigned to prosecute the case along with Assistant Attorney General Ann Badway.

Vigil-Giron, Kupfer and the others under indictment — lobbyist Joseph Kupfer, who is Elizabeth’s husband, and media consultant Armando Gutierrez — each face 50 counts including money laundering, fraud, soliciting or receiving kickbacks and tax evasion. They’re accused of bilking taxpayers out of millions of dollars between 2004 and 2006 by falsifying invoices to the secretary of state’s office.

“My client used to work at the AG’s office and she knows the people involved,” Farrah said when asked to explain why he believes the AG’s office has a conflict. Later, after being asked, he confirmed that Elizabeth Kupfer carried out the firing of Lackmann.

[…]

106 Charles Johnson  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 4:08:45pm

re: #70 zombie

Charles, have you installed Snow Leopard yet? Or is it still a day or two before it’s released from the cage? I’m a bit curious as to whether it’s worth the upgrade.

Comes out Friday — it’s definitely worth $29, though. I know people who’ve installed developer versions and love it.

107 zombie  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 4:08:58pm

re: #101 itellu3times

That’s just silly.

The New Testament has a couple of good stories.

And the Koran has this action story about how one guy and his sandworm riding minions conquered an empire.

Normally, Faulks is a modernist lefty who bashes the Bible and Christians, like all good British intellectuals.

Then he actually read the Koran and had a wake-up call.

108 yochanan  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 4:09:40pm

re: #89 zombie

frankly i think MO was a sociopath.

109 tradewind  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 4:09:51pm

It doesn’t take a Beckian to appreciate the irony:
Obama’s approval ratings in the toilet, lowest ever. His legislative legacy threatning to tank. There’s only one thing to do.
(Who ya gonna call? NewsBreakers)!
Holder takes aim the the CIA, paving the way for the great White Whale Hunt**
Swine Flu Panic… whip it! Whip it good.
Michelle Bachmann teeters off the fence, brings teh crazy and goes Paulian.
** Cheney
Bet there’s a massive news dump Friday afternoon…glad I’m headed for the beach.

110 cronus  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 4:10:17pm

Strictly speaking I’m not sure being invited to discuss anything constitutes mainstreaming if the person extending the invitation is Michelle Bachmann.

111 albusteve  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 4:10:45pm

NM has been corrupt since the very first Conquistador stepped foot in this land…a long history of everyone trying to take advantage of everybody else…govt dealings with the Natives…farmers and ranchers feeding th US army…mining contracts, range wars, and fights over water…the govt down here had been squarely in the midst of all of it from the very beginning…the corruption is legendary

112 zombie  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 4:10:46pm

re: #106 Charles

Comes out Friday — it’s definitely worth $29, though. I know people who’ve installed developer versions and love it.

Not until Friday, hunh? OK, I’ll have to wait to get “field testing” responses.

$29 is cheap, though, and if the developers like it…well, they’re a tough crowd.

I may eventually have to spring for it! Thanks.

113 tradewind  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 4:11:03pm

Ugh. Keyboard letter-skipping is such a drag.
PIMF.

114 SpaceJesus  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 4:11:33pm

re: #93 reine.de.tout

It abuts a state in “the south”, does it not?


an unfortunate error. clearly some conspiracy of cartographers.

i am from colorado (best state ever) but call nm home because of school.

115 Killian Bundy  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 4:11:35pm

Is Sean Hannity Considering Presidential Run In 2012?

Here’s something that’ll surely drive liberal media members over the brink: President Sean Hannity.

Sound crazy?

Well, according to World Net Daily, the conservative talk show host would consider a run in 2012 if he’s instructed by a higher power to do so (h/t Terri Green):

Talk-show host Sean Hannity, a vocal opponent of Barack Obama’s policies, said today he would not rule out a bid for the presidency in 2012.

Egged on by radio colleague Bill Cunningham, Hannity said he would consider entering the front lines of the political fray if God directs him.

“I’ve never made a decision in my life without – whatever destiny God has you’ve got to fulfill it,” he said. “I’m not sure that’s my destiny.”

I believe this conversation happened Friday as Hannity was airing his radio show in front of a live audience prior to his Freedom Concert in Cincinnati, Ohio.

/you know, I don’t think God’s going to be making this call either

116 [deleted]  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 4:11:37pm
117 tradewind  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 4:11:47pm

re: #106 Charles

You can get it through your Amazon link on a download?

118 SasquatchOnSteroids  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 4:11:49pm

re: #97 buzzsawmonkey

Reference for/from the last thread:

Tan Shoes with Pink Shoelaces

Heh. Damn good, buzz.

119 quickjustice  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 4:11:52pm

I think Bachmann’s interest in Dr. Paul is strictly medical! ;-)

120 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 4:12:43pm

re: #114 SpaceJesus

an unfortunate error. clearly some conspiracy of cartographers.

i am from colorado (best state ever) but call nm home because of school.

Oh please, don’t tell us that.

121 calcajun  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 4:12:46pm

re: #111 albusteve

NM has been corrupt since the very first Conquistador stepped foot in this land…a long history of everyone trying to take advantage of everybody else…govt dealings with the Natives…farmers and ranchers feeding th US army…mining contracts, range wars, and fights over water…the govt down here had been squarely in the midst of all of it from the very beginning…the corruption is legendary

Billy the Kid found a home there when he could not get into the system in NYC.

122 SpaceJesus  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 4:12:46pm

re: #84 wrenchwench

haha, i know her daughter

123 [deleted]  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 4:13:01pm
124 HelloDare  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 4:13:32pm

Let’s just hope Bachmann and Paul don’t procreate. I mean jointly. You know, like have a kid together. Eeesh.

125 cronus  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 4:13:40pm

re: #104 Sharmuta

Why do I get the feeling these policies only extend to auditing the fed instead of getting to the real issue of Congressional budget busting?

Since Ron Paul is such an earnest earmarker he has trouble talking about actual congressional budgets.

126 SpaceJesus  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 4:13:52pm

re: #116 buzzsawmonkey

I thought you were into Hopi and Change out there.

clever. but hopi is arizona.

127 calcajun  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 4:14:09pm

re: #116 buzzsawmonkey

I thought you were into Hopi and Change out there.

They are, but they still have some reservations about it.

128 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 4:14:37pm

re: #124 HelloDare

Let’s just hope Bachmann and Paul don’t procreate. I mean jointly. You know, like have a kid together. Eeesh.

Ron Paul is married. He’s a very public figure, a politician. How can you suggest that he would have an affair with… never mind.

129 Racer X  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 4:14:39pm

re: #106 Charles

Comes out Friday — it’s definitely worth $29, though. I know people who’ve installed developer versions and love it.

Looks cool.

I’ll wait for some more reviews first.

130 SpaceJesus  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 4:14:47pm

re: #111 albusteve

NM has been corrupt since the very first Conquistador stepped foot in this land…a long history of everyone trying to take advantage of everybody else…govt dealings with the Natives…farmers and ranchers feeding th US army…mining contracts, range wars, and fights over water…the govt down here had been squarely in the midst of all of it from the very beginning…the corruption is legendary


thank god, because that’s how i plan on getting a job after school.

131 aboo-Hoo-Hoo  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 4:14:59pm

What the *** is deal with Steele? Why does the GOP have such a tin ear?

If Steele can’t act as stage-manage under the Big Tent of the GOP Circus and get the cleaning crew in to scoop-up the elephant feces and sell it to the Dem’s, he needs to be replaced.

Let the Paulian’s and/or whomevah go bye-bye.

132 calcajun  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 4:15:05pm

re: #115 Killian Bundy

Is Sean Hannity Considering Presidential Run In 2012?

/you know, I don’t think God’s going to be making this call either

Oh, Christ— pour me some Kool-aid with extra cyanide, please.

133 albusteve  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 4:15:26pm

re: #116 buzzsawmonkey

I thought you were into Hopi and Change out there.

no Hopi in NM

134 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 4:16:01pm

I will be having my own town hall next week, on the subject of why spending a lot more than you bring in is a bad thing. I would like to introduce you all to my bouncer/co-speaker:

Youtube Video
135 The Shadow Do  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 4:16:07pm

re: #114 SpaceJesus

an unfortunate error. clearly some conspiracy of cartographers.

i am from colorado (best state ever) but call nm home because of school.

Love this North - South, Colorado - Texas divide stuff.

I’m from Colorado, my company moved me to TX. First trip back home I parked my car to have lunch in Pueblo. When I came out someone, admiring my shiny new TX plates, had written boldly accross my dusty trunk - GO HOME!

LOL

136 quickjustice  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 4:16:21pm

Seriously, Bachmann spoke to my GOP group in NYC last year. She seemed a plain-spoken conservative at the time. With her new-found allegiance to Dr. Paul, it’s clear she’s not playing with a full deck.

137 midwestgak  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 4:16:24pm

re: #99 quickjustice

I think he purchased the wrong translation!

No, the Koran is a depressing rant which puts Mohammad at the top of the heap of “worshipers” and infidels. Faulks describes the Koran deftly.

138 HelloDare  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 4:16:25pm

re: #128 Walter L. Newton

Ron Paul is married. He’s a very public figure, a politician. How can you suggest that he would have an affair with… never mind.

He’d use an aluminum foil condom.

139 [deleted]  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 4:16:38pm
140 Canoe Train  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 4:16:58pm

re: #13 Charles
Dear Lord, no

141 calcajun  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 4:17:12pm

re: #133 albusteve

no Hopi in NM

The had to Sioux for change. It was a Seminole piece of jurisprudence.

142 itellu3times  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 4:17:24pm

re: #107 zombie

Normally, Faulks is a modernist lefty who bashes the Bible and Christians, like all good British intellectuals.

Then he actually read the Koran and had a wake-up call.

Well good for him, having his consciousness raised and all that. Rare enough for a lefty to exert himself so far, anymore.

And he says he likes (Old Testament) Bible stories!

143 calcajun  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 4:17:27pm

re: #138 HelloDare

He’d use an aluminum foil condom.

OUCH.

144 albusteve  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 4:17:28pm

re: #121 calcajun

Billy the Kid found a home there when he could not get into the system in NYC.

or Arizona…fled that state after gunning down his first victim over there

145 wrenchwench  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 4:17:42pm

re: #139 buzzsawmonkey

I Navahoed that before.

Zuni or later you had to.

146 avanti  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 4:17:59pm

re: #115 Killian Bundy

Is Sean Hannity Considering Presidential Run In 2012?

/you know, I don’t think God’s going to be making this call either

If he runs, you’ll know God is a leftie.

147 HelloDare  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 4:18:06pm

re: #13 Charles

Bachmann has been touted as a possible prez candidate.

On this planet?

148 _RememberTonyC  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 4:18:12pm

Michele Bachmann is another in the long line of bizarro people voted in by the Minnesota morons.

Jesse Ventura
Keith X
Bachmann
Al Franken

Do they pass out acid at the polling places in Minnesota on election day?

149 Killian Bundy  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 4:18:19pm

re: #132 calcajun

Oh, Christ— pour me some Kool-aid with extra cyanide, please.

Hannity/Bachmann 2012.

/because God called and we answered

150 LGoPs  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 4:18:42pm

re: #139 buzzsawmonkey

I Navahoed that before.

Now you’ve done it. Started an Indian pun thread. I should Kickapoo out of you…
/

151 [deleted]  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 4:19:03pm
152 LGoPs  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 4:19:24pm

re: #145 wrenchwench

Zuni or later you had to.

That really Sauks.

153 calcajun  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 4:19:57pm

re: #148 _RememberTonyC

Michele Bachmann is another in the long line of bizarro people voted in by the Minnesota morons.

Jesse Ventura
Keith X
Bachmann
Al Franken

Do they pass out acid at the polling places in Minnesota on election day?

Nah— it’s the malaria from the mosquitoes from 10,000 freakin’ lakes.

154 Noam Sayin'  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 4:20:12pm

re: #148 _RememberTonyC

In our defense, there are different sets of idiots who voted those people into office.

155 SpaceJesus  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 4:20:28pm

re: #135 The Shadow Do

Love this North - South, Colorado - Texas divide stuff.

I’m from Colorado, my company moved me to TX. First trip back home I parked my car to have lunch in Pueblo. When I came out someone, admiring my shiny new TX plates, had written boldly accross my dusty trunk - GO HOME!

LOL


making fun of texas is pretty much one of nm’s favorite past times too, probably why i get along so well down here.

156 tradewind  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 4:20:41pm

re: #150 LGoPs

Great. Now everyone is gonna get all tee-pee’d up.

157 The Shadow Do  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 4:20:42pm

re: #150 LGoPs

Now you’ve done it. Started an Indian pun thread. I should Kickapoo out of you…
/

Careful, if I know Buzz you are about to Pawneed..

158 wrenchwench  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 4:20:45pm

re: #150 LGoPs

Now you’ve done it. Started an Indian pun thread. I should Kickapoo out of you…
/

I gotta get some work done, Zia later!

159 HelloDare  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 4:20:58pm

re: #153 calcajun

Nah— it’s the malaria from the mosquitoes from 10,000 freakin’ lakes.

Or frostbite of the brain.

160 callahan23  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 4:21:08pm

re: #145 wrenchwench

Zuni or later you had to.

Other wise the subject might have pata-gone.

161 tradewind  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 4:21:32pm

re: #154 Noam Sayin’

And yet somehow they seem to prevail so often.
There must be something ya’ll can do.

162 _RememberTonyC  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 4:21:50pm

re: #154 Noam Sayin’

In our defense, there are different sets of idiots who voted those people into office.

they must have SOMETHING in common, no?

163 albusteve  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 4:22:15pm

re: #135 The Shadow Do

Love this North - South, Colorado - Texas divide stuff.

I’m from Colorado, my company moved me to TX. First trip back home I parked my car to have lunch in Pueblo. When I came out someone, admiring my shiny new TX plates, had written boldly accross my dusty trunk - GO HOME!

LOL

Chivington kicked the Confederate Texans out of NM at Glorietta Pass…that’s what started it

164 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 4:22:16pm

re: #97 buzzsawmonkey

Reference for/from the last thread:

Tan Shoes with Pink Shoelaces

She was only 11 years old when she recorded that song!

165 Racer X  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 4:22:34pm

re: #148 _RememberTonyC

Michele Bachmann is another in the long line of bizarro people voted in by the Minnesota morons.

Jesse Ventura
Keith X
Bachmann
Al Franken

Do they pass out acid at the polling places in Minnesota on election day?

Heh.

Giving California a run for the money, eh?

166 [deleted]  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 4:22:55pm
167 SasquatchOnSteroids  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 4:23:00pm

re: #150 LGoPs

I should Kickapoo out of you…

That’s what Desi said after Fred stole Lucy ArNez Perce.

168 LGoPs  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 4:23:06pm

re: #158 wrenchwench

I gotta get some work done, Zia later!

see ya. Zuni or later.

169 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 4:23:06pm

re: #163 albusteve

Chivington kicked the Confederate Texans out of NM at Glorietta Pass…that’s what started it

I thought Chivington was at Sand Creek genociding Native Americans.

170 quickjustice  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 4:23:36pm

re: #150 LGoPs

You keep draggin’ yer feet through that black river mud, and you’ll end up with Black Feet!

171 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 4:23:50pm

re: #166 buzzsawmonkey

Really? That’s …disturbing.

The crawl at the end says she was born in 1947, and the song was recorded in 1959. Unless she’s lying about her age?

172 yochanan  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 4:23:50pm

re: #153 calcajun

Nah— it’s the BLACK FLIES from 10,000 freakin’ lakes.

173 callahan23  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 4:23:55pm

re: #153 calcajun

Nah— it’s the malaria from the mosquitoes from 10,000 freakin’ lakes.

Cerebral malaria also known as Plasmodium falciparum

174 quickjustice  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 4:24:02pm

Just Crowin!

175 LGoPs  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 4:24:09pm

re: #170 quickjustice

You keep draggin’ yer feet through that black river mud, and you’ll end up with Black Feet!

That would be nothing to Crow about…

176 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 4:24:20pm

re: #163 albusteve

Chivington kicked the Confederate Texans out of NM at Glorietta Pass…that’s what started it

I lived in Texas for 15 years. Then I moved to Colorado in 1989. I’ve tried to kick myself out many times and they kept returning me. Confusing.

177 tradewind  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 4:24:36pm

re: #146 avanti

Don’t be ridiculous. Why would he take the pay cut? He has young children.

178 albusteve  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 4:24:58pm

re: #155 SpaceJesus

making fun of texas is pretty much one of nm’s favorite past times too, probably why i get along so well down here.

Texnas invaded NM in 1841…wandered around until they were lost and out of food and water, were rescued and were escorted out of the state in humiliation…hahaha!…getthefuckoutahere!

179 SasquatchOnSteroids  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 4:25:10pm

re: #175 LGoPs

That would be nothing to Crow about…

I guess I need to break up this Squawble.

180 LGoPs  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 4:26:03pm

re: #179 SasquatchOnSteroids

I guess I need to break up this Squawble.

Huron! I’m all for it.

181 albusteve  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 4:26:12pm

re: #169 Alouette

I thought Chivington was at Sand Creek genociding Native Americans.

that too, what a hero eh?…he was prosected for that and beat it…”nits make lice”

182 quickjustice  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 4:27:06pm

re: #179 SasquatchOnSteroids

So tell me— what did Delaware, boys?

183 albusteve  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 4:27:37pm

re: #176 Walter L. Newton

I lived in Texas for 15 years. Then I moved to Colorado in 1989. I’ve tried to kick myself out many times and they kept returning me. Confusing.

just go with the flow…you’re a tweener

184 SasquatchOnSteroids  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 4:28:03pm

re: #182 quickjustice

So tell me— what did Delaware, boys?

A coat with Apaches all over it.

185 yochanan  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 4:28:07pm

WHY do you think they do ice fishing in Minnesota? no friging black flies in the winter.

186 scottishbuzzsaw  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 4:28:24pm

Dinner time…I’ll leave you with this cute little guy:

O No

Have a great evening all!

187 esch  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 4:28:39pm

re: #180 LGoPs

Huron! I’m all for it.

Since I married a woman that was adopted out of her Canadian tribe, I guess I got the Cree of the crop.

188 Gang of One  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 4:28:53pm

re: #180 LGoPs

Huron! I’m all for it.


If Iroquios correctly, they’re now called First Americans.

189 quickjustice  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 4:28:59pm

Well, Custer got his brevet star at Gettsyburg driving back J.E.B. Stuarts Confederate cavalry. That was before he met Crazy Horse.

190 callahan23  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 4:29:26pm

re: #186 scottishbuzzsaw

Dinner time…I’ll leave you with this cute little guy:

O No

Have a great evening all!

Thanks and good night.

191 scottishbuzzsaw  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 4:30:14pm

re: #190 callahan23

Thanks and good night.

Good night, callahan…

192 albusteve  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 4:30:25pm

re: #189 quickjustice

Well, Custer got his brevet star at Gettsyburg driving back J.E.B. Stuarts Confederate cavalry. That was before he met Crazy Horse.

Custer was a pompous fool…too brave by half

193 Noam Sayin'  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 4:30:48pm

re: #161 tradewind

re: #162 _RememberTonyC

In Ventura’s case, it was a strong independent bloc that didn’t trust Norm Coleman, who had just switched from the Democrat party, or Skip Humphrey, who was too far removed from his father’s legacy to have that outweigh the fact that he was a twit.

In Bachman’s case, I think that’s the district where they tried to run Patty Wetterling, her only qualification being that her son was kidnapped many years earlier, never to be found again. I think independent voters were turned off by the DFL putting up a supposedly unassailable candidate.

The DFL could run a golden retriever for office in the 5th District and still end up with a landslide. Ellison was pretty much a shoe-in even though he had numerous issues surrounding his past and his associations (CAIR founders Nihad Awad and Ibrahim Hooper).

With Franken, they just cheated because it was close, and Norm is too much of an idiot to beat Senator Cokehead.

194 SpaceJesus  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 4:30:54pm

re: #178 albusteve

Texnas invaded NM in 1841…wandered around until they were lost and out of food and water, were rescued and were escorted out of the state in humiliation…hahaha!…getthefuckoutahere!

they’ve done that twice actually. first time they got nice long stay in prison.

195 midwestgak  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 4:31:02pm

re: #142 itellu3times

Well good for him, having his consciousness raised and all that. Rare enough for a lefty to exert himself so far, anymore.

And he says he likes (Old Testament) Bible stories!

So do I. And many of those stories contain names that are household names which are still referenced today. Whether one believes them to be true or not, that’s a personal choice. Anyone here could name a dozen Old Testament characters with very little effort.

196 LGoPs  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 4:31:08pm

re: #187 esch

Since I married a woman that was adopted out of her Canadian tribe, I guess I got the Cree of the crop.

No offense but if she’s a looker I’ll bet a lot of men oglalla her…
:)

197 quickjustice  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 4:31:23pm

re: #188 Gang of One

In Canada, eskimown as First Nations.

198 LGoPs  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 4:32:09pm

re: #197 quickjustice

In Canada, eskimown as First Nations.

Inuit. I just knew it.

199 zombie  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 4:32:31pm

Also, in the Sebastian Faulks link, note the reply of the Muslim spokesman — straight out of the “thinly veiled threat” playbook:

“Ajmal Masroor, an imam and spokesman for the Islamic Society of Britain said Faulk’s statements ran the risk of stirring religious hatred against Muslims. ‘Attacks on Islam are nothing new, but the danger is this will have a ‘drip, drip’ effect. ‘People don’t seem to understand the consequences of saying things like this could be quite severe.”

200 The Shadow Do  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 4:32:53pm

re: #163 albusteve

Chivington kicked the Confederate Texans out of NM at Glorietta Pass…that’s what started it

He of the Sand Creek Massacre fame. Another Colorado hero, along with Alfred E Packer!

201 SasquatchOnSteroids  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 4:33:16pm

re: #196 LGoPs

No offense but if she’s a looker I’ll bet a lot of men oglalla her…
:)

Probably made her feel Yuchi

202 esch  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 4:33:33pm

re: #198 LGoPs

Inuit. I just knew it.

LMAO I’m going to use that one on my wife.

203 _RememberTonyC  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 4:33:48pm

re: #193 Noam Sayin’

re: #162 _RememberTonyC

In Ventura’s case, it was a strong independent bloc that didn’t trust Norm Coleman, who had just switched from the Democrat party, or Skip Humphrey, who was too far removed from his father’s legacy to have that outweigh the fact that he was a twit.

In Bachman’s case, I think that’s the district where they tried to run Patty Wetterling, her only qualification being that her son was kidnapped many years earlier, never to be found again. I think independent voters were turned off by the DFL putting up a supposedly unassailable candidate.

The DFL could run a golden retriever for office in the 5th District and still end up with a landslide. Ellison was pretty much a shoe-in even though he had numerous issues surrounding his past and his associations (CAIR founders Nihad Awad and Ibrahim Hooper).

With Franken, they just cheated because it was close, and Norm is too much of an idiot to beat Senator Cokehead.


appreciate the context and the explanation. maybe cindy sheehan should move to st. paul … she might even get elected to something!

204 LGoPs  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 4:34:39pm

Mickey’s friend tried to console him by saying “I’m sad to say it but you were had. Minnieconjou…”

205 [deleted]  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 4:34:51pm
206 quickjustice  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 4:35:00pm

re: #199 zombie

And in the words of the old English nursery rhyme:

“Here comes a candle to light you to bed
And here comes a chopper to chop off your head.”

207 albusteve  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 4:35:57pm

re: #200 The Shadow Do

He of the Sand Creek Massacre fame. Another Colorado hero, along with Alfred E Packer!

Chivington should have been shot for what he did…another Christian on a mission of extermination…submit or die…same for the heroic Jackson and Sherman and many other notables

208 Noam Sayin'  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 4:36:13pm

re: #203 _RememberTonyC

appreciate the context and the explanation. maybe cindy sheehan should move to st. paul … she might even get elected to something!

Bite your tongue. I’m hoping these little forays into screwball politicians eventually wakes people up and they start looking into who is running for office. That was my thought behind my Ventura vote.

That was nine years ago. Probably not going to happen any time soon.

209 LGoPs  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 4:37:07pm

I Yankton this thread and a bunch of puns fell out…

210 The Shadow Do  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 4:37:43pm

re: #207 albusteve

Chivington should have been shot for what he did…another Christian on a mission of extermination…submit or die…same for the heroic Jackson and Sherman and many other notables

Now, now careful not to lump Sherman in there…
(my new Southern friends will hate me for this one)

211 SasquatchOnSteroids  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 4:37:59pm

I bought a Winnebago in Miami and got a free Mohawk.

212 albusteve  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 4:38:35pm

re: #210 The Shadow Do

Now, now careful not to lump Sherman in there…
(my new Southern friends will hate me for this one)

he’s lumped…and he deserves it

213 tradewind  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 4:39:17pm

re: #207 albusteve

same for the heroic Jackson and Sherman he-who-shall-not-be-named and many other notables…


FTFY

214 callahan23  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 4:39:24pm

re: #211 SasquatchOnSteroids

I bought a Winnebago in Miami and got a free Mohawk.

So a little of your fur is shorn?

215 The Shadow Do  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 4:39:28pm

re: #212 albusteve

he’s lumped…and he deserves it

He was the 19th century A-bomb. Brought the war to an early end, he did. Understood war.

216 LGoPs  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 4:39:38pm

re: #211 SasquatchOnSteroids

I bought a Winnebago in Miami and got a free Mohawk.

Didja get any hican’s? I always get mo’hicans when I buy something.

217 SasquatchOnSteroids  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 4:40:46pm

re: #214 callahan23

So a little of your fur is shorn?

Yep. Gotta Makah do with what I have.

218 albusteve  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 4:41:23pm

Accordingly, Sherman wrote to Grant: “We must act with vindictive earnestness against the Sioux, even to their extermination, men, women and children.” Writing two days later to his brother John, General Sherman said: “I suppose the Sioux must be exterminated …” (Fellman, p. 264).

genocidal extermination…Sherman was a madman

219 SasquatchOnSteroids  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 4:41:24pm

re: #216 LGoPs

Didja get any hican’s? I always get mo’hicans when I buy something.

Are you moccasin me ?

220 albusteve  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 4:42:04pm

re: #215 The Shadow Do

He was the 19th century A-bomb. Brought the war to an early end, he did. Understood war.

he did that

221 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 4:42:39pm

Well, Ron Paul says he is an OB-GYN, but he might just be a Kwakuitl.

(Apologies to the tribe for this.)

222 Ojoe  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 4:43:07pm

re: #87 Sharmuta

Perhaps the Modern Whig party is going for the center.

223 LGoPs  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 4:44:32pm

re: #219 SasquatchOnSteroids

Are you moccasin me ?

Never. You’re too cunning. Like a Fox.
:)

224 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 4:46:07pm

Why did everybody just Klamath up?

(Or am I the only one who knows NW tribal names?)

225 The Shadow Do  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 4:46:45pm

re: #218 albusteve

Accordingly, Sherman wrote to Grant: “We must act with vindictive earnestness against the Sioux, even to their extermination, men, women and children.” Writing two days later to his brother John, General Sherman said: “I suppose the Sioux must be exterminated …” (Fellman, p. 264).
genocidal extermination…Sherman was a madman


Not mad, but certainly brutal and consistent for the era. Like I said, 19th century A-bomb.
Point taken, for sure though. That is some ugly stuff.

226 LGoPs  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 4:47:25pm

re: #224 EmmmieG

Why did everybody just Klamath up?

(Or am I the only one who knows NW tribal names?)

Oh, so you’re saying we’re all just a bunch of shmoes and chinooks here, huh?

227 SasquatchOnSteroids  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 4:47:31pm

re: #223 LGoPs

Never. You’re too cunning. Like a Fox.
:)

That would be buzz. I’m more like the third Kusan.

228 GGMac  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 4:47:36pm

re: #224 EmmmieG

Why did everybody just Klamath up?

(Or am I the only one who knows NW tribal names?)

Did they Klamath up, or did they fall?

229 yochanan  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 4:47:41pm

re: #207 albusteve

frankly i doubt anything different would have happened, the ill will goes all the way back to the french and Indian war were the french got the Indians on there side to commit war crimes and frankly it went from there.

it did not help that Indians often got involved in white mans wars with one tribe that ended up in OK. picking the wrong side twice.

there is a interesting Indian painted leather mural in Santa Fe were it shows one tribe and there Spanish allies fighting another tribe with there french or British allies.

some tribes were war like before we ever got here and besides that the Spanish set the record on this.

some times the whole issue is a LEFTIST STRAW-MAN for issues totally unrelated to native Americans such as the arab/Israeli issue.

230 quickjustice  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 4:47:43pm

re: #218 albusteve

Sherman was a warrior who invented the modern concept of total (scorched earth) warfare on his march through Georgia. The Sioux were an afterthought.

231 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 4:48:24pm

re: #218 albusteve

Accordingly, Sherman wrote to Grant: “We must act with vindictive earnestness against the Sioux, even to their extermination, men, women and children.” Writing two days later to his brother John, General Sherman said: “I suppose the Sioux must be exterminated …” (Fellman, p. 264).

genocidal extermination…Sherman was a madman

He had a lot of bad hair days.

232 albusteve  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 4:48:25pm

re: #225 The Shadow Do

Not mad, but certainly brutal and consistent for the era. Like I said, 19th century A-bomb.
Point taken, for sure though. That is some ugly stuff.

he was very consistant…

Sherman issued the following order to his troops at the beginning of the Indian Wars: “During an assault, the soldiers cannot pause to distinguish between male and female, or even discriminate as to age. As long as resistance is made, death must be meted out …” (Marszalek, p. 379).

233 quickjustice  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 4:48:43pm

re: #224 EmmmieG

Illini if I know!

234 SasquatchOnSteroids  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 4:48:53pm

re: #226 LGoPs

Oh, so you’re saying we’re all just a bunch of shmoes and chinooks here, huh?

Might as well kick us in the Nooksac

235 JCM  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 4:49:13pm

re: #217 SasquatchOnSteroids

Yep. Gotta Makah do with what I have.

You Haida go an do that didn’t you?

236 LGoPs  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 4:49:20pm

re: #234 SasquatchOnSteroids

Might as well kick us in the Nooksac

ROTFLMAO…
:)

237 SasquatchOnSteroids  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 4:50:13pm

re: #236 LGoPs

ROTFLMAO…
:)

It’s Nooksak, I’m an idiot.

238 Sharmuta  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 4:50:16pm

re: #222 Ojoe

Perhaps the Modern Whig party is going for the center.

I hope they’re giving you a cut.

239 quickjustice  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 4:50:43pm

re: #232 albusteve

I don’t think any historical figure can be judged fairly by modern day standards, including Sherman. Look at how native Americans are described in the Declaration of Independence.

240 LGoPs  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 4:50:59pm

re: #237 SasquatchOnSteroids

It’s Nooksak, I’m an idiot.

That was an abominable mistake, I have to tell ya…
:)

241 calcajun  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 4:50:59pm

re: #207 albusteve

Chivington should have been shot for what he did…another Christian on a mission of extermination…submit or die…same for the heroic Jackson and Sherman and many other notables

Not Sherman. But Jackson was a little different. He never ordered a massacre, but he had some extreme ideas on duty and honor. An argument can be made that he got General Richard Garnett killed at Gettysburg.

Garnett had been one of Jackson’s regimental commanders before Chancellorsville. In one engagement, Garnett ordered his men to retire the from the field when they had run out of ammo—a sensible order. Jackson saw it differently and ordered that Garnett be courtmartialed for cowardice. Jackson died before Garnett could be tried and the matter was dropped—but Garnett’s reputation had been severely damaged.

At Gettysburg, now under Pickett, Garnett arrived on scene with a bum leg— he could barely walk. When the time came for the infamous charge, supposedly Gen. Armistead asked Pickett to relieve Garnett — the man would have to ride across the no-mans land on horseback—he’d be a sitting duck. Pickett replied, “General Armistead, you know there is no wat I can do that,” inferring that he would only compound Garnett’s shame if he were to do. Consequently, Gen. Dick Garnett rode out at the head of his regiment.

His body was never positively identified, though many saw him cut to pieces by Union artillery.

Sorry— using that POS Chivington’s name in the same sentence as Sherman and Jackson is repulsive.

242 [deleted]  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 4:51:17pm
243 SasquatchOnSteroids  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 4:52:07pm

re: #240 LGoPs

That was an abominable mistake, I have to tell ya…
:)

Heh. In related news, the Sham wow guy still likes to Arapaho.

244 albusteve  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 4:52:14pm

re: #241 calcajun

Not Sherman. But Jackson was a little different. He never ordered a massacre, but he had some extreme ideas on duty and honor. An argument can be made that he got General Richard Garnett killed at Gettysburg.

Garnett had been one of Jackson’s regimental commanders before Chancellorsville. In one engagement, Garnett ordered his men to retire the from the field when they had run out of ammo—a sensible order. Jackson saw it differently and ordered that Garnett be courtmartialed for cowardice. Jackson died before Garnett could be tried and the matter was dropped—but Garnett’s reputation had been severely damaged.

At Gettysburg, now under Pickett, Garnett arrived on scene with a bum leg— he could barely walk. When the time came for the infamous charge, supposedly Gen. Armistead asked Pickett to relieve Garnett — the man would have to ride across the no-mans land on horseback—he’d be a sitting duck. Pickett replied, “General Armistead, you know there is no wat I can do that,” inferring that he would only compound Garnett’s shame if he were to do. Consequently, Gen. Dick Garnett rode out at the head of his regiment.

His body was never positively identified, though many saw him cut to pieces by Union artillery.

Sorry— using that POS Chivington’s name in the same sentence as Sherman and Jackson is repulsive.

Andrew Jackson…not Stonewall

245 Silvergirl  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 4:52:20pm

re: #32 Erik The Red

I am sure we can find a better poster person than this tho. :)

A normal looking pair.

You never know what Paulian thoughts lurk beneath wholesome exteriors.

246 quickjustice  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 4:52:41pm

re: #234 SasquatchOnSteroids

I’d prefer it if you just Tappan me on the shoulder.

247 yochanan  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 4:53:02pm

the P.C. view of the indian wars is so much BUNK. WAR is a nasty bus. when the indians could kill american men woman and children they did it if they could. in fact that is exactly what they did in the french and indian war when they had the upper hand in fact they would kill the baby in front of the mother. it was the french that started the scalping thing as that is how they paid there indian allies. AFTER THE FRENCH AND INDIAN WAR AND ALL THE ILL WILL IT CREATED THE DIE WAS CAST,.

248 albusteve  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 4:53:19pm

re: #239 quickjustice

I don’t think any historical figure can be judged fairly by modern day standards, including Sherman. Look at how native Americans are described in the Declaration of Independence.

Sherman was modern in his time was he not?…I don’t accept apologies for that maniac

249 calcajun  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 4:53:39pm

re: #231 Alouette

No— he understood modern war better than most people. He knew the only way to gain a lasting peace was the same way the Romans dealt with their Carthaginian problem.

Not saying I agree with Sherman’s assesment, but it is not right to call him a madman.

250 GGMac  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 4:53:48pm

re: #234 SasquatchOnSteroids

Might as well kick us in the Nooksac

Just don’t kick in the Shinnecock!

251 calcajun  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 4:54:17pm

re: #243 SasquatchOnSteroids

Heh. In related news, the Sham wow guy still likes to Arapaho.

Huron the money with that one.

252 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 4:54:50pm

re: #249 calcajun

No— he understood modern war better than most people. He knew the only way to gain a lasting peace was the same way the Romans dealt with their Carthaginian problem.

Not saying I agree with Sherman’s assesment, but it is not right to call him a madman.

“War is cruelty, and you can not refine it.”

253 calcajun  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 4:55:15pm

re: #250 GGMac

Just don’t kick in the Shinnecock!

The Indians quit using the peace pipe after they went on the Apache.

254 albusteve  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 4:55:16pm

re: #249 calcajun

No— he understood modern war better than most people. He knew the only way to gain a lasting peace was the same way the Romans dealt with their Carthaginian problem.

Not saying I agree with Sherman’s assesment, but it is not right to call him a madman.

madman, maniac, monster…all fit…he was a boodthirsy racist

255 The Shadow Do  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 4:55:26pm

Perhaps civilazation does advance though it seems imperceptable most of the time.

The Indian wars were particularly brutal and savage on both sides.

Contrast with today, post WWII, post My Lai, and on to Gen. Patreaus and COIN today with the associated ROE.

War is not by any stretch civilized, but what a contrast. We face AQ and the Taliban, not with the wholesale slaughter of villages but with water and sanitation projects.

256 JCM  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 4:55:29pm

re: #250 GGMac

Just don’t kick in the Shinnecock!

Or give some one a fat Tulalip.

257 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 4:56:20pm

re: #254 albusteve

madman, maniac, monster…all fit…he was a boodthirsy racist

Yes, but he hated the media. He had one journalist court martialed.

258 calcajun  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 4:56:21pm

re: #244 albusteve

Old Hickory was not a religious nut— but he certainly had anger-management issues.

259 quickjustice  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 4:56:39pm

re: #248 albusteve

From Wiki:
“William Tecumseh Sherman (February 8, 1820 – February 14, 1891) was an American soldier, businessman, educator and author. He served as a General in the Union Army during the American Civil War (1861–65), for which he received recognition for his outstanding command of military strategy as well as criticism for the harshness of the “scorched earth” policies that he implemented in conducting total war against the Confederate States.[1] Military historian Basil Liddell Hart famously declared that Sherman was “the first modern general”.[2]”

260 LGoPs  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 4:57:01pm

re: #224 EmmmieG

Why did everybody just Klamath up?

(Or am I the only one who knows NW tribal names?)

When the lead Indian pony would slam the brakes on there would be a puyallup as the rest of them rear ended him…

261 The Shadow Do  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 4:57:56pm

re: #232 albusteve

he was very consistant…

Sherman issued the following order to his troops at the beginning of the Indian Wars: “During an assault, the soldiers cannot pause to distinguish between male and female, or even discriminate as to age. As long as resistance is made, death must be meted out …” (Marszalek, p. 379).

I don’t have a big problem if indeed those are the ROE. Bomb laden women are not uncommon in our present conflicts.

262 albusteve  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 4:58:09pm

re: #259 quickjustice

From Wiki:
“William Tecumseh Sherman (February 8, 1820 – February 14, 1891) was an American soldier, businessman, educator and author. He served as a General in the Union Army during the American Civil War (1861–65), for which he received recognition for his outstanding command of military strategy as well as criticism for the harshness of the “scorched earth” policies that he implemented in conducting total war against the Confederate States.[1] Military historian Basil Liddell Hart famously declared that Sherman was “the first modern general”.[2]”

I know who Sherman is…what is your point?

263 SasquatchOnSteroids  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 4:58:56pm

re: #260 LGoPs

When the lead Indian pony would slam the brakes on there would be a puyallup as the rest of them rear ended him…

Aww,man,right up the Yazoo !

264 JCM  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 4:59:04pm

re: #254 albusteve

madman, maniac, monster…all fit…he was a boodthirsy racist

Sherman disliked war, he knew only one way to end war and that was a quickly as possible.

265 albusteve  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 4:59:25pm

re: #261 The Shadow Do

I don’t have a big problem if indeed those are the ROE. Bomb laden women are not uncommon in our present conflicts.


what’s that got to do with the destruction of the Sioux?

266 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 4:59:46pm

re: #263 SasquatchOnSteroids

Aww,man,right up the Yazoo !

They wouldn’t even Lenepe in the outhouse.

267 yochanan  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 4:59:46pm

re: #260 LGoPs

puyallup, N.M.

268 albusteve  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 5:00:14pm

re: #264 JCM

Sherman disliked war, he knew only one way to end war and that was a quickly as possible.

killing children will do that I guess

269 LGoPs  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 5:00:22pm

re: #267 yochanan

puyallup, N.M.

I used to live in Puyallup, WA

270 quickjustice  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 5:01:39pm

Liddell Hart was probably the finest military historian of the 20th Century. And my point is that, love him or hate him, Sherman invented a new style of ruthless total war against men, women, and children later adopted by every modern nation, and modified only by the Geneva Convention.

Given his ruthless pursuit of the Indian Wars, this is especially ironic: “Sherman’s unusual given name has always attracted considerable attention.[4] Sherman himself reports that his middle name grew from the fact that his father “caught a fancy for the great chief of the Shawnees, ‘Tecumseh.’”“

271 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 5:01:53pm

Ron Paul will abacus into the Dark Ages of monetary policy.

272 GGMac  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 5:02:09pm

re: #246 quickjustice

I’d prefer it if you just Tappan me on the shoulder.

Tappan you on Zee shoulder?

273 calcajun  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 5:02:23pm

re: #254 albusteve

Basis, please. For blood-thirsty and racist. If you think that because he saw that to wage modern war, you had to make it as cruel and demoralizing as possible on the enemy, then that is your opinion based on your assessment of how he conducted his campaigns. He was not a sadistic murderer as some commanders were (on both sides) or who allowed his men to engage in atrocities (like Forrest did).

As for him being a racist, I have never read in his writings that he felt that way. If you mean to imply he did by his assessment of how to wage a military campaign against the Sioux, I would argue more that he looked on it as he might any military problem after considering all the factors. As to his personal feelings, I am unaware of how he viewed the subject.

274 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 5:02:23pm

re: #268 albusteve

killing children will do that I guess

I don’t think that Sherman ordered the killing of children. When did he do that?

275 SasquatchOnSteroids  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 5:02:30pm

I wonder if the Indians believed in Santee Claus ?

276 The Shadow Do  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 5:03:23pm

re: #265 albusteve

what’s that got to do with the destruction of the Sioux?

Your quote made clear that Sherman supported the killing of those who “resisted”. This is not a strike against Sherman. That is my only point. It is reasonable force protection just as is shooting a woman in Iraq wearing a bomb belt.

277 calcajun  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 5:03:50pm

re: #268 albusteve

Whose kids did he kill? Any down south?

You might be confusing him with Sheridan— who was operational commander in the West. Besides, there is justice— just ask Col. Custer.

278 calcajun  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 5:05:30pm

re: #271 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Ron Paul will abacus into the Dark Ages of monetary policy.

Maybe back to the time of the ancient Greeks— I heard he’s descended from a long line of cretins, er… Cretans.

279 albusteve  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 5:05:36pm

re: #274 Alouette

I don’t think that Sherman ordered the killing of children. When did he do that?

I’ve posted it in his own words…or do you want to split hairs over ‘ordered’?…he suggested it and condoned it

280 born conservative  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 5:05:59pm

I hope that some of you will take the time to read a series of blog posts by David Horowitz: “Alinsky, Beck, Satan and Me.” Prepared for downdings.

281 GGMac  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 5:06:36pm

re: #260 LGoPs

When the lead Indian pony would slam the brakes on there would be a puyallup as the rest of them rear ended him…

But then they Seattled down and finished their ride.

282 [deleted]  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 5:07:00pm
283 LGoPs  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 5:07:08pm

re: #275 SasquatchOnSteroids

I wonder if the Indians believed in Santee Claus ?

Not sure but I know they didn’t drink V8. They got Flatheads from going ‘wow, I coulda had a V8’

284 calcajun  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 5:07:13pm

re: #242 buzzsawmonkey

The Romans practiced scorched-earth warfare—not only when they sowed the remains of Carthage with salt, but when they crushed the Bar Kochba revolt in Judea. It was the Roman devastation that rendered Judea a wasteland until the modern Zionists began to rebuild it—and it is of the Roman behavior in that war that one of their historians wrote, “they make a desolation and call it peace.”

“It is good that war is so terrible, lest we grow too fond of it.” R.E. Lee.

285 calcajun  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 5:08:28pm

re: #283 LGoPs

That’s nothing to Crow about.

286 albusteve  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 5:08:32pm

re: #277 calcajun

Whose kids did he kill? Any down south?

You might be confusing him with Sheridan— who was operational commander in the West. Besides, there is justice— just ask Col. Custer.

I’m not confused…Sherman was what he was, and there is plenty of documentation with regard to his treatment of Indians…there is no way around it

287 LGoPs  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 5:08:48pm

re: #280 born conservative

I hope that some of you will take the time to read a series of blog posts by David Horowitz: “Alinsky, Beck, Satan and Me.” Prepared for downdings.

I read them and they’re excellent. Here’s a link for the middle of it:
[Link: frontpagemagazine.com…]

288 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 5:09:05pm

re: #279 albusteve

I’ve posted it in his own words…or do you want to split hairs over ‘ordered’?…he suggested it and condoned it

He said “as long as resistance continues.” How is that different from the ROE that the military faces today?

289 midwestgak  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 5:09:20pm

Baltimore just scored against the Jets on an interception.

290 albusteve  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 5:10:13pm

re: #288 Alouette

He said “as long as resistance continues.” How is that different from the ROE that the military faces today?

I’m not getting dragged into your ‘today’ argument in support of Sherman

291 [deleted]  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 5:10:13pm
292 LGoPs  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 5:11:16pm

re: #291 buzzsawmonkey

I’d quarrel with General Lee’s observation, in that we have at this point managed to refine war—from our side, at any rate—to the point where casualties are minimized to an incredible degree in comparison with other conflicts well within living memory, yet we have people who carry on over even those minimized casualties as if they were the death tolls from Antietam or the Somme.

These people who carry on are historical illiterates.

293 SasquatchOnSteroids  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 5:11:55pm

re: #283 LGoPs

Not sure but I know they didn’t drink V8. They got Flatheads from going ‘wow, I coulda had a V8’

Cadillac had one.

294 quickjustice  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 5:12:15pm

Sherman was one of the few West Pointers not to serve in the Mexican War. He spent the time in California instead:

“In 1853, Sherman resigned his captaincy and became manager of the San Francisco branch of a St. Louis based bank. He returned to San Francisco at a time of great turmoil in the West. He survived two shipwrecks and floated through the Golden Gate on the overturned hull of a foundering lumber schooner.[20] Sherman suffered from stress-related asthma because of the city’s brutal financial climate.[21] Late in life, regarding his time in real-estate-speculation-mad San Francisco, Sherman recalled: “I can handle a hundred thousand men in battle, and take the City of the Sun, but am afraid to manage a lot in the swamp of San Francisco.”[22] In 1856, during the vigilante period, he served briefly as a major general of the California militia.[23]”

Sherman’s San Francisco branch closed in May 1857, and he relocated to New York on behalf of the same bank. When the bank failed during the financial Panic of 1857, he turned to the practice of law in Leavenworth, Kansas, at which he was also unsuccessful.

295 LGoPs  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 5:12:26pm

re: #293 SasquatchOnSteroids

Cadillac had one.

So did Pontiac, IIRC…

296 ArmyWife  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 5:12:44pm

I, for one, am happy Congresscritter Bachman has signed up with Ron Paul. At least she is being honest about who she is. Now, I ask them to take this new found honesty one step further and declare their party as Kook or Libertarian, either will do so long as they stop mucking up MY party.

297 sattv4u2  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 5:12:52pm

re: #291 buzzsawmonkey

I’d quarrel with General Lee’s observation, in that we have at this point managed to refine war—from our side, at any rate—to the point where casualties are minimized to an incredible degree in comparison with other conflicts well within living memory, yet we have people who carry on over even those minimized casualties as if they were the death tolls from Antietam or the Somme.

His (Lees’) observation is spot on. We HAVE manged to ‘refine” war as you observe. That doesn’t mean that we are any fonder of it

298 callahan23  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 5:14:06pm

re: #292 LGoPs

These people who carry on are historical illiterates.

They are addicted to the touchy feeling of hope’n’change.
Those factses, they burns us.

299 The Shadow Do  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 5:14:15pm

re: #286 albusteve

I’m not confused…Sherman was what he was, and there is plenty of documentation with regard to his treatment of Indians…there is no way around it

I believe he saw the hostile Indian nations little differently than any other military problem he was tasked to solve. I am given to understand he was sypathetic to those who had surrendered, but I could be wrong.

300 ArmyWife  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 5:14:20pm

re: #297 sattv4u2

No one is pro-war. No one normal, that is. War is ugly.

301 [deleted]  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 5:16:43pm
302 Gus  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 5:17:05pm

The Ron Paul Industrial Complex ®

Eric Holder wags the dog through the CIA.

White House swine flu panel wags the dog for Obama.

Another day in the used car lot.

303 calcajun  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 5:17:20pm

re: #286 albusteve

I

confess, without shame, I am sick and tired of fighting—its glory is all moonshine; even success the most brilliant is over dead and mangled bodies, with the anguish and lamentations of distant families, appealing to me for sons, husbands and fathers … tis only those who have never heard a shot, never heard the shriek and groans of the wounded and lacerated … that cry aloud for more blood, more vengeance, more desolation.

WT Sherman - 1865

Doesn’t sound too blood-thirsty to me.

304 reine.de.tout  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 5:17:56pm

re: #302 Gus 802

The Ron Paul Industrial Complex ®

Eric Holder wags the dog through the CIA.

White House swine flu panel wags the dog for Obama.

Another day in the used car lot.

Did they issue some sort of swine flu statement today? Somebody else mentioned something …

305 reine.de.tout  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 5:18:15pm

re: #304 reine.de.tout

Did they issue some sort of swine flu statement today? Somebody else mentioned something …

found it.

306 Gus  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 5:18:29pm

re: #304 reine.de.tout

Did they issue some sort of swine flu statement today? Somebody else mentioned something …

Right here…

[Link: www.bloomberg.com…]

307 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 5:18:33pm

What were Sherman’s terms of surrender to Joe Johnston’s army in North Carolina? … The same as Grant’s to Lee, IIRC.

/just sayin’

308 ArmyWife  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 5:19:43pm

re: #304 reine.de.tout

Swine Flu May Cause 90,000 U.S. Deaths, Report Says (Update2)

WE ARE ALL GOING TO DIE!!! Unless we get health insurance passed.

/ok, I made that part up.

309 callahan23  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 5:19:43pm

Gotta leave, ‘s late here. - 2:17 am
- - -
Gals ‘n guys, Lizards and ‘menschen’.
See y’all down the road.
I love you {Lizardim) - mostly. Really!

310 quickjustice  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 5:19:59pm

The theory of an organized military is that you suffer fewer casualties in armed conflicts if you are organized. Which is likely to suffer fewer casualties— a disorganized mob, or a trained and disciplined military unit?

Of course, there’s also Sun-tzu: “Subjugating the enemy’s army without fighting is the true pinnacle of excellence.”

311 calcajun  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 5:20:18pm

re: #291 buzzsawmonkey

Keep in mind the context— when he was surveying the carnage of several failed Union assaults at Mayre’s Heights at Fredericksburg.

But, war is still terrible. Bullets and bombs are far more precise and effective, but the destruction is still the same. And, even though we no longer consider civilians as legitimate military targets, others do. It’s still a black and bloody business.

312 Gus  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 5:20:50pm

re: #309 callahan23

Gotta leave, ‘s late here. - 2:17 am
- - -
Gals ‘n guys, Lizards and ‘menschen’.
See y’all down the road.
I love you {Lizardim) - mostly. Really!

Hello-good bye Callahan.

313 ArmyWife  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 5:20:52pm

and in other news, MJ was murdered! (cue dark music)

[Link: www.thesmokinggun.com…]

314 SasquatchOnSteroids  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 5:21:34pm

re: #309 callahan23

Gotta leave, ‘s late here. - 2:17 am
- - -
Gals ‘n guys, Lizards and ‘menschen’.
See y’all down the road.
I love you {Lizardim) - mostly. Really!

Sleep well, Callahan

315 wrenchwench  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 5:22:09pm

re: #313 ArmyWife

and in other news, MJ was murdered! (cue dark music)

[Link: www.thesmokinggun.com…]

We have a very nice poster here with the nic of “MJ.” Perhaps another abbreviation for the late pop star is in order…

316 [deleted]  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 5:22:41pm
317 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 5:23:12pm

Well, “Inglorious Basterds” was indeed glorious.

318 quickjustice  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 5:23:26pm

re: #313 ArmyWife

Homicide, not necessarily murder. Homicide is wrongful death, which could include negligent homicide or recklessness. Murder is deliberate killing.

319 SasquatchOnSteroids  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 5:24:06pm

Antietam.
September 17, 1862.
23,000 men killed, wounded or missing.
12 hours.

Hell on earth cannot describe that.

320 callahan23  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 5:24:09pm

re: #312 Gus 802
Hi (Gus 802)
re: #314 SasquatchOnSteroids
Good night (Sasquatch O.S.)

321 GGMac  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 5:24:42pm

re: #283 LGoPs

Not sure but I know they didn’t drink V8. They got Flatheads from going ‘wow, I coulda had a V8’

ROFL. You get the gold star for Most Original!

322 MNsnowlizard  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 5:24:44pm

I know I don’t post much, probably because I am so introverted. However, if anybody is in the St Cloud area during this event, please try to get pics. We were leaving town this past Saturday to go to my birthday supper, when we passed a school bus. This bus had to be at our county fair and it was the funniest looking bus I have seen. Only the front end was the school bus yellow, the rest of it was painted white with all the windows blocked out. I happened to look up at the drivers window and saw the “Ron Paul for President” sign…all I could manage was a “Ron Paul Sucks” as we went past them at 45 miles an hour. If I see them again, I will try to do better. :)

323 reine.de.tout  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 5:25:07pm

re: #308 ArmyWife

Swine Flu May Cause 90,000 U.S. Deaths, Report Says (Update2)

WE ARE ALL GOING TO DIE!!! Unless we get health insurance passed.

/ok, I made that part up.

They cannot know what’s going to happen.
Why do they issue these things?

324 wrenchwench  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 5:25:22pm

re: #320 callahan23

Hi (Gus 802)
re: #314 SasquatchOnSteroids
Good night (Sasquatch O.S.)

Hasta tomorrow, Callahan!

325 Gus  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 5:25:47pm

OK, this is a first. For me at least…

From the White House:

WASHINGTON – A Presidential advisory group of the nation’s leading scientists and engineers today released a new report assessing the Obama Administration’s preparations for this fall’s expected resurgence of 2009-H1N1 flu and outlining key steps officials can take in the coming weeks and months to minimize the disease’s impact on the nation.

[Link: www.whitehouse.gov…]

Engineers?

326 [deleted]  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 5:25:54pm
327 callahan23  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 5:26:14pm

re: #315 wrenchwench

We have a very nice poster here with the nic of “MJ.” Perhaps another abbreviation for the late pop star is in order…

I wholeheartedly support that motion. ;-)

Over and out.

328 [deleted]  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 5:26:15pm
329 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 5:26:37pm

re: #319 SasquatchOnSteroids

Antietam.
September 17, 1862.
23,000 men killed, wounded or missing.
12 hours.

Hell on earth cannot describe that.

The Corn Field.
I think Bruce Catton’s comment was that it was said as if there had never been any other corn field, nor would there be.

330 JCM  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 5:26:53pm

re: #318 quickjustice

Homicide, not necessarily murder. Homicide is wrongful death, which could include negligent homicide or recklessness. Murder is deliberate killing.

A little further refinement, homicide is killing of one person by another. A homicide can even be justified, in cases of self defense.

Homicide; Latin homicidium, homo human bein - caedere to cut, or kill.

331 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 5:26:59pm

re: #319 SasquatchOnSteroids

My Great-great Grandfather died there.

332 Silvergirl  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 5:27:32pm

re: #322 MNsnowlizard

I know I don’t post much, probably because I am so introverted. However, if anybody is in the St Cloud area during this event, please try to get pics. We were leaving town this past Saturday to go to my birthday supper, when we passed a school bus. This bus had to be at our county fair and it was the funniest looking bus I have seen. Only the front end was the school bus yellow, the rest of it was painted white with all the windows blocked out. I happened to look up at the drivers window and saw the “Ron Paul for President” sign…all I could manage was a “Ron Paul Sucks” as we went past them at 45 miles an hour. If I see them again, I will try to do better. :)

Even introverts have their days.

333 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 5:28:07pm

re: #327 callahan23

I wholeheartedly support that motion. ;-)

Over and out.

Good night!

334 The Shadow Do  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 5:29:18pm

re: #319 SasquatchOnSteroids

Antietam.
September 17, 1862.
23,000 men killed, wounded or missing.
12 hours.

Hell on earth cannot describe that.

You’re right. Iwo Jima, 26,000 casualties in…38 days!
Unimaginable.

335 Gus  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 5:29:24pm

In other news. A presidential advisory group of the nations leading land surveyors are set to release a report on the continuing mortgage crisis.

//

336 MNsnowlizard  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 5:29:50pm

re: #332 Silvergirl

If I get riled, I get quite extroverted. I am getting really sick of all the wackos, right and left. I guess like the song goes, “…here I am stuck in the middle with you.”

337 calcajun  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 5:30:43pm

re: #279 albusteve

Steve,

At the risk of sounding presumptuous, I think you’re on the edge of doing something that is a little dicey— judging individuals in the past by superimposing present morality on their actions. Now, don’t get me wrong, but the US’s relations with its native peoples was cocked-up before the revolution and it only got worse with time. We should have made peace with the natives and the British in 1783.

But, the quotes you cite to Sherman are perhaps out of context. They were, being written in responses to massacres —the Fetterman and Custer debacle. Looked at in another light—in the light of a strict military problem—his statements and reactions are understandable, though may not agreeable. Neither he nor Sheridan had created the situation with the Plains Indians, but they were charged with ending it—and they did so using the lessons they learned in their campaigns against the South.

I do not think Sherman was anymore a racist than either MacArthur or Nimitz were in their prosecution of their war.

Anyway—gotta get stuff finished tonight.

338 ArmyWife  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 5:30:59pm

re: #315 wrenchwench

Yes, sorry for my abject laziness. My apologies Lizard MJ.

339 SasquatchOnSteroids  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 5:31:44pm

re: #331 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

My Great-great Grandfather died there.

I have no idea what to say…

340 calcajun  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 5:32:12pm

re: #319 SasquatchOnSteroids

Antietam.
September 17, 1862.
23,000 men killed, wounded or missing.
12 hours.

Hell on earth cannot describe that.

Cold Harbor, VA. ; 7,000 casualties in 20 minutes.

341 wrenchwench  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 5:32:19pm

re: #338 ArmyWife

Yes, sorry for my abject laziness. My apologies Lizard MJ.

Somebody else did it before you. I didn’t mean it personally…

342 calcajun  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 5:34:05pm

re: #334 The Shadow Do

Omaha Beach- 3,000 casualties in a morning.

343 ArmyWife  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 5:34:12pm

re: #341 wrenchwench

Don’t be sorry! It was a valid point. If you want to offend me, you have to do better than that! ;)

344 calcajun  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 5:35:38pm

re: #331 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Where did he fall, if you know?

345 mph  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 5:36:33pm

Let it be known that Ron Paul or John Birch racists have nothing to do with the veracity of the Subjective Theory of Value…

[Link: en.wikipedia.org…]

…nor do they mar the intellectual contributions of Ludwig von Mises:

[Link: en.wikipedia.org…]

Just because Ron Paul and his ilk are deranged and regressive moonbats, it doesn’t mean free markets are immoral or foolish or dull.

346 aboo-Hoo-Hoo  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 5:37:12pm

re: #218 albusteve

Accordingly, Sherman wrote to Grant: “We must act with vindictive earnestness against the Sioux, even to their extermination, men, women and children.” Writing two days later to his brother John, General Sherman said: “I suppose the Sioux must be exterminated …” (Fellman, p. 264).

genocidal extermination…Sherman was a madman

I disagree.

Sherman was a product of his times; today we have more history to study, analyze & utilize with a technology which allows us far different options.

347 GGMac  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 5:37:44pm

re: #302 Gus 802

The Ron Paul Industrial Complex ®

Eric Holder wags the dog through the CIA.

White House swine flu panel wags the dog for Obama.

Another day in the used car lot.

So well stated it makes me just wanna cry…

348 SasquatchOnSteroids  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 5:37:49pm

re: #342 calcajun

Omaha Beach- 3,000 casualties in a morning.

Yes, all of them are just unimaginable.
The sheer numbers just run a black cloud across ones soul.
Grotesque.

349 rumcrook  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 5:38:10pm

ron paul…


just when I think a sane rational voter driven grassroots response to the radical left change being driven down our throats could catch on and the ball picked up by some modestly intelegent enthusiastic republicans willing to come back to the reality that you cant spend like a drunkin fool or nationalize all our industries and have prosperity and personal freedom,

the ball is intercepted by …

350 quickjustice  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 5:38:24pm

re: #330 JCM

caedere is also the root word for Julius “Caesar”, who was “cut” from his mother’s womb, a “caesarian section”. The word “Caesar” became synonymous with king or ruler, hence “czar” and “Kaisar”. The Isle of Jersey also has its roots in “caesar”. And when a football “jersey” is “cut off”, you’ve come full cycle! ;-)

351 calcajun  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 5:38:32pm

re: #348 SasquatchOnSteroids

One does get hardened to it.

352 LGoPs  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 5:39:33pm

re: #316 buzzsawmonkey

No argument. I am merely emphasizing that despite our immense success in making it less black and bloody for ourselves, and even for our opponents, there are people who take these improvements as naught, and argue instead against such action even when it is necessary.

And they blow out of proportion the routine and normal tragedies and oversights that are caused by and known as the ‘friction of war’ and the ‘fog of war’ and screech incompetence - having no awareness of how those factors have occurred in every war ever fought.
the screeching at Bush and Rumsfeld for not having an instant and infinite supply of armored HUMVEES for example when soft skinned vehicles like that were never intended for the circumstances and conditions they were employed in.
By contrast the hedgerow fighting in Normandy, after D-Day and Omaha Beach, make losing HUMVEES (and the troops in them) pale in contrast. Tens of thousands of American troops were lost in the hedgerows, the importance of which were overlooked in the previous months of aerial reconnaissance. Each field was a miniature Verdun and extracted a bloody price. But Eisenhower was not cashiered, nor Bradley or Montgomery. Knowing history is important, especially in providing perspective and coming to reasonable and thought out conclusions.
The left has none of that.

353 quickjustice  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 5:41:08pm

re: #331 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

4 great-great uncles, Pennsylvania (Union) militia, July 2, 1863, Gettysburg Pennsylvania, shot down in the Peach Orchard.

354 calcajun  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 5:42:18pm

re: #352 LGoPs

You forget the thousands of cases of trench-foot caused because the US troops in the ETO had no cold-weather foot wear— it was all on the Normandy beaches because the war was to be over by Christmas—-on Bradley’s orders.

355 [deleted]  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 5:43:14pm
356 GGMac  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 5:44:21pm

re: #342 calcajun

Omaha Beach- 3,000 casualties in a morning.


Iraq: 4000+ in just under 8 years.

Perspective. Technology saves our military’s lives - when they’re permitted to use it to full advantage with a goal of victory.

357 calcajun  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 5:44:42pm

re: #355 taxfreekiller

Europeans and native Americans never did “just get along” did they?

358 [deleted]  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 5:45:58pm
359 MNsnowlizard  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 5:47:00pm

re: #148 _RememberTonyC

Maybe in the metropolitan areas, not out here in the sticks. As Joe says on Garage Logic, “The closer you get to the country’s tallest buildings…” I can say honestly, I did not vote for any of them, and cannot believe they were even elected. Blech!

360 The Shadow Do  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 5:50:12pm

re: #358 taxfreekiller

Whore-Who-Shit-Men-Down-The-Trails.

1964-1972
Numbers unknown, and lied about by LBJ (Democrat Hero) and the NVA/Russia/China/N.Korea, still lied about to this hour.

Give me more TFK. Do you know the “walking dead”? A friend of mine survived that bunch.

361 quickjustice  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 5:51:49pm

re: #357 calcajun

If you read the early accounts of the Pennsylvania frontier, the Indians were extremely feared by the early settlers. They were fierce warriors, barbaric by European standards, who spared not men, women, or children. And of course in the pay of the French, they took scalps. Abraham Lincoln’s grandfather was slaughtered and scalped by Indians as he plowed his field.

And as the excellent motion picture, “Last of the Mohicans”, starring Daniel-Day -Lewis points out, the people settling the frontier, and attacked by the Indians, were the poor settlers who had nowhere else to go.

362 GGMac  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 5:52:49pm

re: #329 pre-Boomer Marine brat

The Corn Field.
I think Bruce Catton’s comment was that it was said as if there had never been any other corn field, nor would there be.


Like those times when one hears the Lord’s name said in vain - except that it comes out sounding more like a prayer than a curse.

363 quickjustice  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 5:53:05pm

The Declaration of Independence calls them the “Indian savages” in the pay of the Crown.

364 [deleted]  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 5:53:39pm
365 calcajun  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 5:56:22pm

re: #363 quickjustice

The Declaration of Independence calls them the “Indian savages” in the pay of the Crown.

And now, they seek to destroy us all with the most fear weapons of societal destruction— dollar slots and all-you-can-eat buffets.

366 quickjustice  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 5:58:40pm

My final defense of Sherman:

“On hearing of South Carolina’s secession from the United States, Sherman observed to a close friend, Professor David F. Boyd of Virginia, an enthusiastic secessionist, almost perfectly describing the four years of war to come:

“You people of the South don’t know what you are doing. This country will be drenched in blood, and God only knows how it will end. It is all folly, madness, a crime against civilization! You people speak so lightly of war; you don’t know what you’re talking about. War is a terrible thing! You mistake, too, the people of the North. They are a peaceable people but an earnest people, and they will fight, too. They are not going to let this country be destroyed without a mighty effort to save it… Besides, where are your men and appliances of war to contend against them? The North can make a steam engine, locomotive, or railway car; hardly a yard of cloth or pair of shoes can you make. You are rushing into war with one of the most powerful, ingeniously mechanical, and determined people on Earth—right at your doors. You are bound to fail. Only in your spirit and determination are you prepared for war. In all else you are totally unprepared, with a bad cause to start with. At first you will make headway, but as your limited resources begin to fail, shut out from the markets of Europe as you will be, your cause will begin to wane. If your people will but stop and think, they must see in the end that you will surely fail.[28]”

In January 1861 just before the outbreak of the Civil War, Sherman was required to accept receipt of arms surrendered to the State Militia by the U.S. Arsenal at Baton Rouge, Louisiana. Instead of complying, he resigned his position as superintendent and returned to the North, declaring to the governor of Louisiana, “On no earthly account will I do any act or think any thought hostile … to the … United States.”[29]

After the war, General Sherman donated two cannons to the institution. These cannons had been captured from Confederate forces and had been used to start the war when fired at Fort Sumter, South Carolina. They are still currently on display in front of LSU’s Military Science building.[30]”

367 [deleted]  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 6:00:05pm
368 GGMac  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 6:07:41pm

re: #322 MNsnowlizard

Happy Birthday!

Find an age you like, and stick with it!

369 jim in virginia  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 6:10:25pm

I became politically active in the Republican party in 1975 when Ron Paul first ran for Congress. He was an idiot then, and he still is.
There were then, and still are, sane Republicans: Bob McDonell, Eric Cantor, John Cornyn, Christie in NJ, many more. I don’t agree with them on every issue but I’m philosophically closer to them than to Pelosi or Reid or Obama.
The GOP has a chance to do things right, to come up with some sensible ideas, to support real reform in Washington, and to win in 2010. If they embrace Paul, it won’t happen.
And I’ll be out the door.

370 quickjustice  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 6:11:14pm

re: #367 taxfreekiller

Nomadic Indian tribes had a very different notion of “use”. And if Lincoln’s grandfather was scalped, it was probably a Huron or Iriquois war party in the pay of the French or English. Hardly an “innocent” native Indian band foraging for food.

371 jim in virginia  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 6:11:53pm

re: #325 Gus 802

OK, this is a first. For me at least…

From the White House:


[Link: www.whitehouse.gov…]

Engineers?


You got a problem with engineers?
//

372 [deleted]  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 6:14:27pm
373 _RememberTonyC  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 6:19:42pm

re: #13 Charles

Bachmann has been touted as a possible prez candidate.

Bachmann makes Sarah Palin look like Maggie Thatcher

374 funky chicken  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 9:15:08pm

re: #13 Charles

Bachmann has been touted as a possible prez candidate.

Um, by weirdos. I don’t think the fact that this nutbar has glommed onto luap nor means he’s suddenly mainstream.

Some people on the left tout Maxine Waters and Barney Frank as possible prez candidates, after all.

375 Liberal Classic  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 5:28:39am

I always wanted the Republican Party to be influenced by libertarian ideas, but not like this. Instead of the pro-freedom, pro-capitalism, pro-science wing, it’s the pro-conspiracy, pro-creationism, anti-Israel wing that is ascendant.


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