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1 Last Mohican  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 6:47:41pm

Okay, so, let's say I'm running 10.5 right now. Do I need to wipe off my hard drive and reinitialize it when I install 10.6? I seem to recall an earlier comment that suggested that.

2 Racer X  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 6:50:49pm

Mac > PC = True

3 Digital Display  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 6:54:09pm

Gee I wonder if the OS that Apples has built on a Solid C code base...Really it's UNIX on Steroids...A beautiful vision of code...Or take MS that builds their calls into the kernel with more wrappers than Lucy in the Chocolate factory...
Windows need to start getting their crap together...Windows 7.0 is a nice directional change...
With Oracle buying Sun this year the whole code base is changing...Oracle now owns Java and Javascript...Combine that with the best Database in the world...There are changes coming...You don't think people are looking at the Internet and Data?
But Kudo's Apple...nice release...

4 Charles Johnson  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 6:54:49pm

re: #1 Last Mohican

Okay, so, let's say I'm running 10.5 right now. Do I need to wipe off my hard drive and reinitialize it when I install 10.6? I seem to recall an earlier comment that suggested that.

I doubt it. If so, I'll let you know when I get the upgrade.

5 Oh no...Sand People!  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 7:00:27pm

C64 forever!

/nostalgic rant off...

6 Last Mohican  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 7:00:29pm

re: #4 Charles

I doubt it. If so, I'll let you know when I get the upgrade.

Thanks. Wiping my whole hard drive clean is a hassle that I'd be too lazy to face for a while.

7 MandyManners  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 7:00:53pm

I'm just about ready to whip out my DE .50 and put a crater in my CPU.

8 Danny  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 7:02:09pm

I guess my PowerPC Macs belong in the dustbin of history now.

9 Mad Al-Jaffee  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 7:03:20pm

OT - good new video from The Onion:

[Link: www.theonion.com...]

10 experiencedtraveller  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 7:03:38pm

re: #7 MandyManners

I'm just about ready to whip out my DE .50 and put a crater in my CPU.

But what if VISTA surrenders and begs for mercy?

11 Digital Display  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 7:06:33pm

re: #10 experiencedtraveller

But what if VISTA surrenders and begs for mercy?

It's OK to waterboard Windows...Even Gore said it was cool...

12 Charles Johnson  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 7:08:04pm

re: #6 Last Mohican

Thanks. Wiping my whole hard drive clean is a hassle that I'd be too lazy to face for a while.

Where did you hear that rumor, by the way?

13 Oh no...Sand People!  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 7:09:05pm

re: #12 Charles

Where did you hear that rumor, by the way?

www.msn.com

/just kidding..

14 MandyManners  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 7:09:32pm

re: #10 experiencedtraveller

But what if VISTA surrenders and begs for mercy?

HA! Not even if it pledged to do my laundry for the next five years.

15 calcajun  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 7:11:21pm

I miss my Atari computer. Sniff. Ah, my Kaypro-- my old trusty friend. Your screen made me blind, but you were there for me.

16 Bagua  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 7:13:18pm

re: #2 Racer X

Mac > PC = True

Ha! Windows 7 all the way.

17 blangwort  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 7:14:23pm

re: #15 calcajun

Wippersnapper! Why I used to a toggle switch boot loader and paper tape on with an S100 bus!

18 Oh no...Sand People!  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 7:16:08pm

re: #17 blangwort

Wippersnapper! Why I used to a toggle switch boot loader and paper tape on with an S100 bus!

...stirs the coals of the fire while listening to others talk, confidently holding his abacus...

/

19 calcajun  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 7:16:23pm

re: #17 blangwort

The days of punch cards and card readers! That was when real men (without lives) wrote code!

20 Last Mohican  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 7:16:36pm

re: #12 Charles

Where did you hear that rumor, by the way?

Well, I coulda sworn it was somewhere in the LGF comments recently. But now that I think about it, I may be confusing this with a rumor I head about a previous OS X upgrade a few years ago. The rumor was that you could install the upgrade without cleaning up your hard disk, but without the garbage collection that would be entailed in the cleanup, the new OS would end up scattered across discontinuous sectors, and it would run less efficiently that way.

21 calcajun  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 7:17:10pm

re: #17 blangwort

Wippersnapper! Why I used to a toggle switch boot loader and paper tape on with an S100 bus!

Hell, son, I got tendinitis from cranking the levers on my difference engine!

22 yochanan  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 7:17:17pm

how can i get this apple I to re-boot?

23 blangwort  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 7:17:32pm

re: #19 calcajun

Why, I still have a slide rule AND KNOW HOW TO USE IT.

24 OldLineTexan  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 7:17:51pm

re: #8 Danny

I guess my PowerPC Macs belong in the dustbin of history now.

If they're alive, they outlasted mine by 12-13 years.

Worst.Computer.Hardware.Ever

25 Digital Display  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 7:18:21pm

re: #3 HoosierHoops

Continuing the thoughts about Oracle buying Sun...The Vision of Oracle could be earth changing..They now own Java and can buy pass the XHTML calls on the legal issues...( There is some major legal stuff going down with that code base)
I see Oracle light build into every Java engine in the future..A developer will have a standard set of tools to access databases on the net...Heck 5 years from now..16 yr old kids will be using javascript to call into Dbase table views...Simple and powerful..Brought to you by Oracle...That's my vision of the future...I think the partnership is brilliant...

26 OldLineTexan  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 7:18:36pm

re: #23 blangwort

Why, I still have a slide rule AND KNOW HOW TO USE IT.

yes, but i stole your book of tables

/muwahahahahahahahahaha

27 Last Mohican  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 7:18:53pm

re: #22 yochanan

how can i get this apple I to re-boot?

Apple I?

You have to remove the boot, re-sole it, and then put it back again.

28 Oh no...Sand People!  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 7:19:45pm

re: #22 yochanan

how can i get this apple I to re-boot?

Image: Reboot.jpg

About your only option now.
/

29 experiencedtraveller  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 7:20:54pm

re: #15 calcajun

Your screen made me blind...

If I understand correctly, SCROLLING & READING TEXT helps make one blind.

Charles, trademark tip. Re-engineer LGF so that one click of the [RETURN] key gently fades out the current screen and then gently fades in the next screen. Low eye impact.

/ Before the eye doctors start screaming...

30 MandyManners  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 7:21:38pm

I got my first computer somewhere around 1983--IIRC, it was a portable COMPAQ. The keyboard was attached to the CPU/screen with a cord. I could pick up the former and lock it onto the latter. Man, it was heavy. But, it was not as heavy as the printer--that sucker had a daisy-wheel and was louder than a train.

Maybe it wasn't a COMPAQ. I don't know. That was 26 years ago.

Someone pass me some Geritol. I'm older than dirt.

31 reine.de.tout  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 7:22:18pm

re: #19 calcajun

The days of punch cards and card readers! That was when real men (without lives) wrote code!

And real women punched the cards.

32 Danny  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 7:23:28pm

re: #24 OldLineTexan

You're thinking of PowerComputing PPCs. I had one of those too (wretched thing died long ago), but I'm talking about my G4 Ti Powerbook and G5 Dual Core.

33 MandyManners  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 7:23:43pm

re: #23 blangwort

Why, I still have a slide rule AND KNOW HOW TO USE IT.

Was that what Dr. Strangelove used in the eponymous movie?

34 OldLineTexan  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 7:24:21pm

re: #30 MandyManners

I got my first computer somewhere around 1983--IIRC, it was a portable COMPAQ. The keyboard was attached to the CPU/screen with a cord. I could pick up the former and lock it onto the latter. Man, it was heavy. But, it was not as heavy as the printer--that sucker had a daisy-wheel and was louder than a train.

Maybe it wasn't a COMPAQ. I don't know. That was 26 years ago.

Someone pass me some Geritol. I'm older than dirt.

If you had a Compaq "Lovable Luggable", you had one of the most durable PCs ever built. I personally rolled one down three flights of fire escape stairs, and it worked just fine afterward.

35 OldLineTexan  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 7:25:12pm

re: #32 Danny

You're thinking of PowerComputing PPCs. I had one of those too (wretched thing died long ago), but I'm talking about my G4 Ti Powerbook and G5 Dual Core.

It was called a PowerMac, it had the PowerPC processor.

36 Digital Display  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 7:27:32pm

re: #34 OldLineTexan

If you had a Compaq "Lovable Luggable", you had one of the most durable PCs ever built. I personally rolled one down three flights of fire escape stairs, and it worked just fine afterward.

My first computer was a Government Computer running DOS 3.0..
Then we went to Windows 3.11 for workgroups..

37 yochanan  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 7:28:23pm

re: #33 MandyManners

hell i still have lead type and know how to set it

also know how to carve wood type.

38 Oh no...Sand People!  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 7:28:34pm

My earliest and only Apple memory...aside from my current Mac Laptop...

Swashbuckler! for the Apple II.

39 VioletTiger  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 7:28:38pm

I actually had one of these.
Tiny black and white screen.
I had that funny ping pong game on it.

40 OldLineTexan  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 7:29:07pm

re: #36 HoosierHoops

My first computer was a Government Computer running DOS 3.0..
Then we went to Windows 3.11 for workgroups..

I didn't own a computer until 1984.

But by 1985, I got to use a Univac with various dumb terminals and eventually a Cray.

41 OldLineTexan  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 7:29:47pm

re: #37 yochanan

hell i still have lead type and know how to set it

also know how to carve wood type.

Mandy,

He makes a lot of noise when he's printing, too.

/

42 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 7:29:50pm

I had a Tandy Commodore 64.

43 MandyManners  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 7:29:50pm

re: #34 OldLineTexan

If you had a Compaq "Lovable Luggable", you had one of the most durable PCs ever built. I personally rolled one down three flights of fire escape stairs, and it worked just fine afterward.

Was what I described a COMPAQ? I had that sucker for years and years.

44 Danny  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 7:29:56pm

re: #35 OldLineTexan

Ah, you mean the pre G3/4/5 PowerMacs? I never had one of those.

45 Spare O'Lake  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 7:30:03pm

re: #30 MandyManners

I got my first computer somewhere around 1983--IIRC, it was a portable COMPAQ. The keyboard was attached to the CPU/screen with a cord. I could pick up the former and lock it onto the latter. Man, it was heavy. But, it was not as heavy as the printer--that sucker had a daisy-wheel and was louder than a train.

Maybe it wasn't a COMPAQ. I don't know. That was 26 years ago.

Someone pass me some Geritol. I'm older than dirt.

You were a privileged kid to receive a computer when you were only 3.

46 OldLineTexan  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 7:30:40pm

re: #43 MandyManners

Was what I described a COMPAQ? I had that sucker for years and years.

Compaq's first product was basically what you described.

47 yochanan  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 7:30:40pm

re: #41 OldLineTexan

has a hell box too.

and a tray of ding bats

48 Last Mohican  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 7:31:00pm

re: #38 Oh no...Sand People!

My earliest and only Apple memory...aside from my current Mac Laptop...


[Video]

Swashbuckler! for the Apple II.

I had that game! Among many others.

Wow, it sure looks boring now.

49 MandyManners  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 7:31:01pm

re: #37 yochanan

hell i still have lead type and know how to set it

also know how to carve wood type.

You'll be able to command a high price once SKYNET attacks.

50 OldLineTexan  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 7:31:16pm

re: #44 Danny

Ah, you mean the pre G3/4/5 PowerMacs? I never had one of those.

Lucky you ... what a rip that machine was, even for 1994.

51 yochanan  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 7:31:44pm

re: #41 OldLineTexan

well my printer weighs in at about 400 lb.

52 OldLineTexan  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 7:32:15pm

re: #51 yochanan

well my printer weighs in at about 400 lb.

brag, brag, brag

;)

53 MandyManners  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 7:32:16pm

re: #45 Spare O'Lake

You were a privileged kid to receive a computer when you were only 3.

*smoochies smoochies smoochies*

54 Digital Display  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 7:32:33pm

re: #42 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I had a Tandy Commodore 64.

VIC 20!

55 Spare O'Lake  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 7:32:42pm

re: #51 yochanan

well my printer weighs in at about 400 lb.

Your mother in law does your printing too?

56 MandyManners  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 7:32:44pm

re: #46 OldLineTexan

Compaq's first product was basically what you described.

Did it have an ecru casing?

57 calcajun  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 7:33:25pm

re: #31 reine.de.tout

And real women punched the cards.

Those were women?

58 MandyManners  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 7:33:29pm

re: #55 Spare O'Lake

Your mother in law does your printing too?

*spwe*

59 MandyManners  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 7:33:47pm

re: #57 calcajun

Those were women?

*whack*

60 Oh no...Sand People!  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 7:33:54pm

re: #39 VioletTiger

I actually had one of these.
Tiny black and white screen.
I had that funny ping pong game on it.

This is what sparked my gaming addiction...

61 OldLineTexan  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 7:34:26pm

re: #56 MandyManners

Did it have an ecru casing?

I'm a male, so I had to look that up.

If you mean classic sick beige, yes.

/

62 yochanan  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 7:34:49pm

re: #52 OldLineTexan

all of it steel.

63 MandyManners  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 7:35:48pm

re: #61 OldLineTexan

I'm a male, so I had to look that up.

If you mean classic sick beige, yes.

/

I had that fucker for ages. IIRC, it had orange print.

64 yochanan  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 7:36:10pm

re: #55 Spare O'Lake

only meet my swiger once more than enough

65 Gus  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 7:36:33pm

re: #42 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I had a Tandy Commodore 64.

Many years ago I worked with a surveyor that used one of those.

66 OldLineTexan  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 7:37:14pm

re: #61 OldLineTexan

I'm a male, so I had to look that up.

If you mean classic sick beige, yes.

/

The lovable luggable (first model)

67 Bagua  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 7:37:37pm

This Snow Leopard release is just a distraction while the Gubermint steals our PCs!

68 yochanan  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 7:38:13pm

one of my sons did have a apple I but he got it very used. also free.

it only came in green and black

69 reine.de.tout  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 7:38:25pm

re: #57 calcajun

Those were women?

re: #59 MandyManners

*whack*

*whack* is right Mandy.
I was one of those women.
Then at some point we had "key to tape".
Eventually we had a screen where we could look at records, but could not update right there from the "CRT".

When we were able to pull up the record and update it right there - that was an awesome day.

70 Oh no...Sand People!  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 7:39:33pm

re: #62 yochanan

all of it steel.

Mine is kind of like this..

/but I would love to have it!

71 OldLineTexan  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 7:40:08pm

re: #69 reine.de.tout

*whack* is right Mandy.
I was one of those women.
Then at some point we had "key to tape".
Eventually we had a screen where we could look at records, but could not update right there from the "CRT".

When we were able to pull up the record and update it right there - that was an awesome day.

/sigh

when I was punching cards and drawing multi-color stripes on my decks so I could re-sort them faster after the bastards in the load room fouled them, I could only dream of women ...

72 Spare O'Lake  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 7:40:16pm

I remember when the IBM Selectric typewriters arrived for the office.
Such happy secretaries!
Now that machine was revolutionary.

73 The Shadow Do  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 7:40:30pm

Behold the Ghost of Christmas Past!

I still have one, been collecting dust for years in the guest room. Still good for email though!

74 Bear  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 7:40:41pm

How things have changed. I have a Friden(sp?) electronic calculator. It would add, subtract, multiply, divide AND TAKE SQUARE ROOT!!! the machine was the size of a present day desk top computer and felt like it weighed a ton. The screen was a huge one a bit over 2x2 inches.

75 yochanan  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 7:40:44pm

my printer
Image: 1.jpg

76 OldLineTexan  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 7:42:30pm

re: #72 Spare O'Lake

I remember when the IBM Selectric typewriters arrived for the office.
Such happy secretaries!
Now that machine was revolutionary.

I remember when the Texas Air National Guard got Microsoft Word. I showed Lieutenant Bush; he almost dropped his dime-bag!

77 Oh no...Sand People!  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 7:42:45pm

re: #75 yochanan

my printer
[Link: vandercookpress.info...]

LOL!!

78 reine.de.tout  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 7:43:23pm

re: #72 Spare O'Lake

I remember when the IBM Selectric typewriters arrived for the office.
Such happy secretaries!
Now that machine was revolutionary.

The correcting selectric.
Then there was a memory version - you could put in about 20 or so letter-length documents and press a button and zap - they would type themselves out. It was great for typist pools who had to do form letters all day.

79 Mad Al-Jaffee  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 7:43:32pm

re: #72 Spare O'Lake

I have a friend who for about a year worked for a senator on Capitol Hill. She told me that when the new interns would arrive most of them had never seen a typewriter before. I wonder how they would react to a rotary dial phone.

80 WindHorse  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 7:44:09pm

re: #76 OldLineTexan

That rates right up there...

81 reine.de.tout  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 7:44:26pm

re: #79 Mad Al-Jaffee

I have a friend who for about a year worked for a senator on Capitol Hill. She told me that when the new interns would arrive most of them had never seen a typewriter before. I wonder how they would react to a rotary dial phone.

They wouldn't know how to "dial" a call on a rotary dial.
My daughter was completely perplexed when I showed her a rotary dial telephone.

82 Mad Al-Jaffee  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 7:44:43pm

re: #75 yochanan

Probably works better than my crappy Canon i560.

83 Killgore Trout  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 7:44:58pm

I'm so glad I went to college during the computer era. I couldn't imagine writing a 300 page thesis on a typewriter.

84 yochanan  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 7:45:31pm

re: #70 Oh no...Sand People!

have you have a sub called the nautilus?

85 WindHorse  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 7:45:40pm

re: #83 Killgore Trout

I did (more than once) and the ribbon ink was either to light or too dark...

86 The Shadow Do  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 7:45:48pm

re: #81 reine.de.tout

They wouldn't know how to "dial" a call on a rotary dial.
My daughter was completely perplexed when I showed her a rotary dial telephone.

My 32 year old daughter, college grad, can still not tell time from a watch with hands!

87 reine.de.tout  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 7:46:29pm

re: #86 The Shadow Do

My 32 year old daughter, college grad, can still not tell time from a watch with hands!

Oh, uh-uh!
That's not true! It can't be true!

88 OldLineTexan  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 7:46:35pm

re: #83 Killgore Trout

I'm so glad I went to college during the computer era. I couldn't imagine writing a 300 page thesis on a typewriter.

Meeting chicks in the hopes of finding one who would type for you was kinda fun.

But by my senior year, we had WYSIWYG editors (128k Macs!) and a big honkin' Diablo printer for that authentic "Typed paper" look!

89 Mich-again  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 7:46:40pm

re: #81 reine.de.tout

I kind of laugh at the cell phone ring tone that sounds like the ringer off an old rotary dial phone. Digital Onomatopoeia.

90 Oh no...Sand People!  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 7:46:54pm

So the QWERTY keyboard was designed to keep the typewriter from getting the 'spokes'? stuck... now that that isn't a problem, can't they redesign the keyboard to allow for maximum speed? Or would it destroy the space / time continuum?

91 reine.de.tout  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 7:47:02pm

re: #85 WindHorse

I did (more than once) and the ribbon ink was either to light or too dark...

Or changed from too dark to too light as you typed more and more pages. . .

92 Gella  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 7:47:07pm

and in another apple news
Apple May Be Highest Grossing Fifth Avenue Retailer
[Link: www.bloomberg.com...]

93 Killgore Trout  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 7:47:09pm

re: #85 WindHorse

Ugh, typos, no spell check, one formatting error and you'd have to retype the whole page. I never could have done it.

94 yochanan  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 7:47:15pm

my printer works during a power failure and i can even print a small etching with it so i can invite a few wayward lizardettes to come up and see my etchings.

95 Bear  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 7:47:23pm

Just remember that those old 'puters, if still in running condition, will do everything today the would do when they were top of the line and the most advance thing available.

96 The Shadow Do  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 7:47:31pm

re: #87 reine.de.tout

Oh, uh-uh!
That's not true! It can't be true!

Graduated with a science degree. If it ain't digital, it is inscrutible!

97 Mad Al-Jaffee  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 7:47:55pm

re: #81 reine.de.tout

As I was talking about earlier today, yesterday my nephew showed me one of his favorite videos:

He got on my computer, got onto YouTube, searched for the video and played it for me. Kid will nine next month and he speaks German and English. When I was his age I think the most high-tech devices we had were color tv and a microwave.

98 OldLineTexan  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 7:48:01pm

re: #94 yochanan

my printer works during a power failure and i can even print a small etching with it so i can invite a few wayward lizardettes to come up and see my etchings.

sure I hit him; the lousy creep had a whole apartment full of etchings ...

99 yochanan  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 7:48:24pm

re: #87 reine.de.tout

i remember saying one of my sons sounded like a broken record and he said with a straight face 'whats a record'

100 WindHorse  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 7:48:29pm

re: #93 Killgore Trout

no, you could by whiteout or (later) tape. There was no way I could retype it... (alright I retyped some).

101 Spare O'Lake  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 7:48:55pm

re: #83 Killgore Trout

I'm so glad I went to college during the computer era. I couldn't imagine writing a 300 page thesis on a typewriter.

I used to have to hire a typing service to type my long papers.
IIRC I paid 50 cents a page.

102 Mad Al-Jaffee  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 7:48:58pm

re: #86 The Shadow Do

My 32 year old daughter, college grad, can still not tell time from a watch with hands!

Has she seen season 5 of The Wire, with Marlo's cryptic clock picture phone messages?

103 WindHorse  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 7:49:24pm

good grief, talk about typos...

104 Bagua  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 7:49:42pm

I used to like this blog...

but now I wish to be the first one to post my emotional flounce off over this egregious Apple OS X promotion…

/real conservatribes use PCs!

105 reine.de.tout  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 7:49:46pm

re: #93 Killgore Trout

Ugh, typos, no spell check, one formatting error and you'd have to retype the whole page. I never could have done it.

Well, this may sound really quaint . . .
but at one time, people took typing classes, where one could learn to type with great accuracy at high speed.

I must have had a great typing teacher. To this day, I can type accurately at close to 100 wpm.

I don't think there are many folks who can do that any more.

106 Digital Display  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 7:49:58pm

re: #95 Bear

Just remember that those old 'puters, if still in running condition, will do everything today the would do when they were top of the line and the most advance thing available.

I remember my first 486 PC...It was great...I thought it was so fast...Now a days I'd throw it out the window...But man I thought that computer rocked

107 The Shadow Do  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 7:50:19pm

re: #93 Killgore Trout

Ugh, typos, no spell check, one formatting error and you'd have to retype the whole page. I never could have done it.

Whiteout ribbon was the bridge to the computer age.

108 Oh no...Sand People!  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 7:50:35pm

My biggest technological regret, I can type pretty decent, but my handwriting is less than that of a 2 year old...

109 yochanan  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 7:50:45pm

re: #90 Oh no...Sand People!

well to old to teach this dog how to type in a new way i been doing it this way for 50 years

110 OldLineTexan  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 7:51:07pm

re: #105 reine.de.tout

Well, this may sound really quaint . . .
but at one time, people took typing classes, where one could learn to type with great accuracy at high speed.

I must have had a great typing teacher. To this day, I can type accurately at close to 100 wpm.

I don't think there are many folks who can do that any more.

I'm so old, guys weren't allowed to take typing at my high school.

/girls needed those jobs until they got married, you see

111 revobob  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 7:51:21pm

re: #75 yochanan

my printer
[Link: vandercookpress.info...]

Can you do carbon offsets with that?

112 Mad Al-Jaffee  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 7:51:22pm

re: #105 reine.de.tout

I was going to take typing in high school, but because of a registration mistake the first day I went to the classroom on my schedule and it was Chorus! I forget what I got that changed to, but it wasn't typing. I probably would have failed Chorus.

113 Killgore Trout  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 7:51:30pm

re: #108 Oh no...Sand People!

Heh. Mine's pretty embarrassing too.

114 VioletTiger  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 7:51:30pm

re: #93 Killgore Trout

Ugh, typos, no spell check, one formatting error and you'd have to retype the whole page. I never could have done it.

I can remember typing papers in high school on erasable paper. If we weren't allowed to use that, there was always correction tape or the sheets of white stuff you typed over top of the black type face to cover it up.

115 OldLineTexan  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 7:51:31pm

re: #109 yochanan

well to old to teach this dog how to type in a new way i been doing it this way for 50 years

I use the Biblical Method of typing

116 The Shadow Do  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 7:51:56pm

re: #102 Mad Al-Jaffee

Has she seen season 5 of The Wire, with Marlo's cryptic clock picture phone messages?

Don't know about her, but way to esoteric for this old boy!

117 Bear  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 7:52:17pm

re: #106 HoosierHoops

I still have my 486 and at times use it to run the old Generic Cad program and a finite analysis one.

118 jaunte  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 7:52:25pm

re: #114 VioletTiger

I remember that stuff; it had a weird shiny/sticky texture.

119 reine.de.tout  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 7:52:33pm

re: #97 Mad Al-Jaffee

As I was talking about earlier today, yesterday my nephew showed me one of his favorite videos:


[Video]

He got on my computer, got onto YouTube, searched for the video and played it for me. Kid will nine next month and he speaks German and English. When I was his age I think the most high-tech devices we had were color tv and a microwave.

Standing joke where I used to work was all the newly-hired computer guys looked to be about 12 years old.

120 yochanan  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 7:52:45pm

re: #111 revobob

mix in some olive oil i can print with carbon black.

121 Oh no...Sand People!  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 7:52:46pm

re: #109 yochanan

well to old to teach this dog how to type in a new way i been doing it this way for 50 years

Yeah, I don't think I would have it in me to adapt to another way.

122 Mad Al-Jaffee  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 7:52:53pm

My father had a long career with the Department of Justice (retired from there in the early 90s.) He told me that every cop he ever had to work with always typed with two index fingers.

123 yochanan  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 7:53:24pm

re: #115 OldLineTexan

you type in hebrew?

124 The Shadow Do  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 7:53:33pm

re: #105 reine.de.tout

Well, this may sound really quaint . . .
but at one time, people took typing classes, where one could learn to type with great accuracy at high speed.

I must have had a great typing teacher. To this day, I can type accurately at close to 100 wpm.

I don't think there are many folks who can do that any more.

I topped out at 75wpm. I was there, HS elective course, because all the cute girls were there.

I never regretted the skill or the girls.

125 reine.de.tout  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 7:54:13pm

re: #112 Mad Al-Jaffee

I was going to take typing in high school, but because of a registration mistake the first day I went to the classroom on my schedule and it was Chorus! I forget what I got that changed to, but it wasn't typing. I probably would have failed Chorus.

Typing was what we girls took "in case" we needed a skill if we had to go to "work". There were no boys in my typing class. That class was a missed opportunity for many HS boys.

126 VioletTiger  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 7:54:26pm

re: #118 jaunte

I remember that stuff; it had a weird shiny/sticky texture.

I used it a lot. I was a lousy typist and usually went over the edge of the paper at least once on every sheet.

127 Bagua  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 7:54:31pm

re: #115 OldLineTexan

I use the Biblical Method of typing

Hey, this is a family site.

128 OldLineTexan  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 7:54:52pm

re: #123 yochanan

you type in hebrew?

Seek, And Ye Shall Find

129 Killgore Trout  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 7:55:07pm

OT: I had a disturbing talk with my mom today. She's was confused, angry and didn't remember previous conversations we'd had. It might have been a simple misunderstanding, she's always been "difficult" but I'm a little worried about dementia or Alzheimer's. Not sure how to gracefully broach the subject with her.

130 Mad Al-Jaffee  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 7:55:09pm

re: #116 The Shadow Do

Don't know about her, but way to esoteric for this old boy!

It was pretty clever. The drug gang had a code where they would take a picture of a clock face with the hands pointing to the appropriate numbers on it for their meetings. They would send a picture message to whoever needed it. Cops intercepted them, but took a long time to figure out what the numbers meant.

131 reine.de.tout  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 7:55:21pm

re: #122 Mad Al-Jaffee

My father had a long career with the Department of Justice (retired from there in the early 90s.) He told me that every cop he ever had to work with always typed with two index fingers.

My dad was a reporter, later an editor, for the newspaper in the town where we lived. He also had a few other jobs, doing newsletters and such for various organizations.

He only typed with 2 fingers, ever. I don't know how he did it.

132 Mich-again  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 7:55:22pm

We had an IBM Selectric. That was sweet. Always looked so official when you typed up a fake absentee letter with that baby.

133 The Left  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 7:55:38pm

Hi folks. Sorry for the driveby. I had to come let you know about what I've found in Wingnuttia today. The latest trend in nirther conspiracies, from the great minds at Free Republic:

"Is Obama circumscised?"

[Link: www.freerepublic.com...]

To: Albertafriend; BP2; Fred Nerks; STARWISE; MHGinTN; Tennessee Nana; LucyT; afraidfortherepublic; ...
Read a copy of Larry Sinclair's book this afternoon. Quick read. The list of character who attacked his character being names we see regularly and a few attached to Axelrod.

The only other thing that hit me was that Sinclair said BO was not circumcised. When my son was born in a hospital that was done as a matter of routine without even consulting us. Would the same be for Hawaii? OTOH People born at home or in some other cultures are not circumcised.

To: afraidfortherepublic; thecodont

Wish we had someone to make a phone call to the hospitols in HI and askif they routinely do circumcism and when that practice started.

To: rolling_stone; STARWISE; LucyT; David; BP2


If indeed Bo is intact, as Sinclair states, might this be another indication that he was born outside the US. (as young as he was in Seattle, she may have also left medical care before the procedure was done...There is a few days waiting period after birth. Varies with local medical staff.

Personally, I think these people ought to be worrying less about whether Obama is "intact" and more about how intact their mental health is...

134 Mad Al-Jaffee  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 7:55:50pm

re: #124 The Shadow Do

I topped out at 75wpm. I was there, HS elective course, because all the cute girls were there.

I never regretted the skill or the girls.

I think that's the same reason some guys took home ec. I should have done that!

135 revobob  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 7:56:17pm

re: #106 HoosierHoops

I remember my first 486 PC...It was great...I thought it was so fast...Now a days I'd throw it out the window...But man I thought that computer rocked


The first one I bought was a CompuAdd 286, and I popped for the optional BIG20 meg hard drive! (DOS ran in 649K or less.)

136 The Shadow Do  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 7:56:17pm

re: #125 reine.de.tout

Typing was what we girls took "in case" we needed a skill if we had to go to "work". There were no boys in my typing class. That class was a missed opportunity for many HS boys.

Not this boy! Hot cha cha!

137 Dar ul Harb  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 7:56:20pm

Looking forward to iPhone 7G, where you bring into the car, it hooks up wirelessly, and drives you to your destination. And it assigns the other 32 cores to rendering an immersive 3D environment for your entertainment.

Sadly, the fun won't last long, once the bad guys start converting the self-driving cars into VBIEDs. :(

138 yochanan  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 7:57:02pm

re: #124 The Shadow Do

if you were in college trak you had to take typing not that bad for a guy since they were mostly girlchicks

139 reine.de.tout  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 7:57:20pm

re: #129 Killgore Trout

OT: I had a disturbing talk with my mom today. She's was confused, angry and didn't remember previous conversations we'd had. It might have been a simple misunderstanding, she's always been "difficult" but I'm a little worried about dementia or Alzheimer's. Not sure how to gracefully broach the subject with her.

Killogre, could be either of those, or even something else less debilitating. But it sounds to me as if she definitely needs a medical check-up. If you don't live near her, I urge you to enlist the help of another relative who does, who can go with her and explain what happened.

140 WindHorse  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 7:57:27pm

re: #129 Killgore Trout

Good luck. My Mom did the same thing last Thanksgiving. For about two months, I was convinced she had lost her mind. My dad was still alive then ( a doctor - retired) and I asked him. He verbally shrugged his shoulders. Then, one day, she was back to normal.

And she has been ever since.

141 The Shadow Do  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 7:57:50pm

re: #130 Mad Al-Jaffee

It was pretty clever. The drug gang had a code where they would take a picture of a clock face with the hands pointing to the appropriate numbers on it for their meetings. They would send a picture message to whoever needed it. Cops intercepted them, but took a long time to figure out what the numbers meant.

How could I have missed that reference? Gotta work on that drug thing...
LOL

142 Mad Al-Jaffee  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 7:58:08pm

re: #133 iceweasel

As Buster Bluth would say, they just want to see boys' Linuses.

143 revobob  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 7:58:20pm

re: #120 yochanan

mix in some olive oil i can print with carbon black.


With olive oil shouldn't you use squid ink?

144 Oh no...Sand People!  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 7:58:31pm

re: #133 iceweasel

Hi folks. Sorry for the driveby. I had to come let you know about what I've found in Wingnuttia today. The latest trend in nirther conspiracies, from the great minds at Free Republic:

"Is Obama circumscised?"

[Link: www.freerepublic.com...]

Personally, I think these people ought to be worrying less about whether Obama is "intact" and more about how intact their mental health is...

Please tell me you jest?

/*begins to fill out form switching from (R) to (I).

145 yochanan  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 7:58:38pm

re: #133 iceweasel

Hi folks. Sorry for the driveby. I had to come let you know about what I've found in Wingnuttia today. The latest trend in nirther conspiracies, from the great minds at Free Republic:

"Is Obama circumscised?"

[Link: www.freerepublic.com...]

Personally, I think these people ought to be worrying less about whether Obama is "intact" and more about how intact their mental health is...

who the hell cares since no one is saying he is a jew.

146 jaunte  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 7:58:45pm

re: #133 iceweasel

They should relax and remember that covered wagons are a symbol of Manifest Destiny.

147 reine.de.tout  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 7:58:50pm

re: #134 Mad Al-Jaffee

I think that's the same reason some guys took home ec. I should have done that!

At the junior high I went to, all 8th grade girls had to take 12 weeks of "shop", and all the boys had to take 12 weeks of home ec.

I loved that shop class. My project was better than my brother's. He's been embarrassed about it ever since.

148 WindHorse  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 7:58:59pm

...and today was her 89th birthday!

149 yochanan  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 7:59:33pm

re: #143 revobob

carbon black is mostly linseed oil and soot

150 marwan's daughter  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 7:59:34pm

I'm getting Snow Leopard, but I wonder did Apple really need to release a new version so soon? It doesn't really add much. The good thing about it is that Apple is not selling this for $129, their price for Leopard. Oh, and if you got a new Mac or Macbook between June and now, you can get it for on $9.95.

151 The Shadow Do  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 7:59:59pm

re: #134 Mad Al-Jaffee

I think that's the same reason some guys took home ec. I should have done that!

I knew those guys! Not me though, cooking is woman's work!
*ducks and runs*

152 OldLineTexan  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 8:00:32pm

re: #149 yochanan

carbon black is mostly linseed oil and soot

linseed oil is great for my rifle stocks ... I don't use a lot of soot

/

153 The Left  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 8:00:38pm

re: #142 Mad Al-Jaffee

As Buster Bluth would say, they just want to see boys' Linuses.

I love Buster! ;)

I think the Freepers have a weird obsession there, for sure...

154 Gella  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 8:00:44pm

re: #133 iceweasel

for some reason, it looks me, this article came from Onion

155 MandyManners  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 8:01:03pm

This thread has me thinking of the day when The Kid went into my father's office in Denver. He bent down to turn on the computer then he hopped up into the chair. He then typed in the alpha-numeric password to log on. Then, he clicked on the ISP icon. Next, he typed in the alpha-numeric password.

He'd spent some time there with my dad, playing around with various age-appropriate sites.

He was about 2.5 years old.

The other day, I discovered that he had figured out how to send a lot of my e-stuff to the SPAM folder in order to hide messages from his school to me about a a certain incident.

AH GOTZ ME A HAKKER!

156 Dancing along the light of day  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 8:01:34pm

re: #129 Killgore Trout

I'm sorry to hear that. I found the book "the 36 hour day" helpfull in dealing with elders with dementia/alzheimers.

157 yochanan  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 8:01:44pm

most of the nuts i see are nor laupians or larouchies i don't consider either of them to be republicans any more than i consider A.N.S.W.E.R. to be democrats.

158 Mad Al-Jaffee  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 8:01:45pm

re: #151 The Shadow Do

I knew those guys! Not me though, cooking is woman's work!
*ducks and runs*

My mother and my sister in law are both great cooks, but they often prefer to eat what me and my brother cook (especially when I grill and barbecue.)

159 MandyManners  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 8:02:05pm

re: #133 iceweasel

Hi folks. Sorry for the driveby. I had to come let you know about what I've found in Wingnuttia today. The latest trend in nirther conspiracies, from the great minds at Free Republic:

"Is Obama circumscised?"

[Link: www.freerepublic.com...]


Personally, I think these people ought to be worrying less about whether Obama is "intact" and more about how intact their mental health is...

Why do you post this utter nonsense?

160 The Shadow Do  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 8:02:12pm

re: #138 yochanan

if you were in college trak you had to take typing not that bad for a guy since they were mostly girlchicks

By golly I think your right. I was not dissapointed however to find I was the only guy in a class of about 20 girls.

161 Killgore Trout  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 8:02:16pm

re: #133 iceweasel

The First Penis in uncut? Conspiracy!

162 Spare O'Lake  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 8:02:26pm

386 PC; big-assed floppies; wordperfect 5.1 for DOS; dot-matrix printer - OFFICE HEAVEN.

163 The Left  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 8:02:35pm

re: #144 Oh no...Sand People!

Please tell me you jest?

/*begins to fill out form switching from (R) to (I).

Nope. Check it out. The whole thread is filled with shrieking lunacy. Not just about Obama's staff--so to speak-- but a cavalcade of cretinous conspiracies.

/switch to (I)! Join us!

164 Sharmuta  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 8:02:37pm

re: #133 iceweasel

Hi folks. Sorry for the driveby. I had to come let you know about what I've found in Wingnuttia today. The latest trend in nirther conspiracies, from the great minds at Free Republic:

"Is Obama circumscised?"

[Link: www.freerepublic.com...]

Personally, I think these people ought to be worrying less about whether Obama is "intact" and more about how intact their mental health is...

Wow- you read through that whole thing, and they are latching on to anything and everything to build up their kookspiracies.

165 Mad Al-Jaffee  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 8:02:42pm

re: #155 MandyManners

You still "pissed" off about the sink incident? :)

166 The Shadow Do  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 8:02:59pm

re: #160 The Shadow Do

By golly I think your right. I was not dissapointed however to find I was the only guy in a class of about 20 girls.

I could return that carriage with some masculine authority, I tell you...

167 Bagua  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 8:03:02pm

re: #133 iceweasel

Hi folks. Sorry for the driveby. I had to come let you know about what I've found in Wingnuttia today. The latest trend in nirther conspiracies, from the great minds at Free Republic:

"Is Obama circumscised?"


Why is he concealing his...

/

168 Sharmuta  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 8:03:09pm

re: #142 Mad Al-Jaffee

As Buster Bluth would say, they just want to see boys' Linuses.

They still need to watch out for loose seals.

169 Killgore Trout  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 8:03:23pm

re: #140 WindHorse

I'm hoping it's just a momentary thing. Kinda odd. Let's hope it passes.

170 VioletTiger  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 8:03:30pm

re: #129 Killgore Trout

OT: I had a disturbing talk with my mom today. She's was confused, angry and didn't remember previous conversations we'd had. It might have been a simple misunderstanding, she's always been "difficult" but I'm a little worried about dementia or Alzheimer's. Not sure how to gracefully broach the subject with her.

Sorry to hear this Killgore. Insist that she gets a checkup. It could be something relatively simple. My grand-mom got this way when her electrolytes were off.

171 The Left  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 8:03:30pm

re: #159 MandyManners

Why do you post this utter nonsense?

Because I like making fun of the freepers, and others here seem to as well.

172 Mich-again  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 8:03:39pm

re: #133 iceweasel

Hi folks. Sorry for the driveby.

Technically that was a Seagull, not a driveby. But as for this.

Personally, I think these people ought to be worrying less about whether Obama is "intact" and more about how intact their mental health is...

Agreed. I can't think of a stupider thing to do with your time than discussing the intactness of another man. Must be a teabagger.

173 Mad Al-Jaffee  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 8:03:46pm

re: #168 Sharmuta

They still need to watch out for loose seals.

And "Mr. F!"

174 WindHorse  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 8:03:48pm

re: #169 Killgore Trout

I hope so.

175 MandyManners  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 8:04:09pm

re: #129 Killgore Trout

OT: I had a disturbing talk with my mom today. She's was confused, angry and didn't remember previous conversations we'd had. It might have been a simple misunderstanding, she's always been "difficult" but I'm a little worried about dementia or Alzheimer's. Not sure how to gracefully broach the subject with her.

Do you live near her?

176 ted  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 8:04:22pm

What I like about Snow Leopard are the automatic printer driver updates.

177 Sharmuta  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 8:04:30pm

re: #173 Mad Al-Jaffee

And "Mr. F!"

And that's why you never teach lessons to your kids.

178 Killgore Trout  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 8:04:36pm

re: #139 reine.de.tout

She did break her leg recently so she's been to the doctor plenty. Come to think of it maybe it was her meds.

179 Last Mohican  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 8:04:42pm

re: #167 Bagua

Why is he concealing his...

/

Yeah. Come to think of it, remember that famous photo of him shirtless on the beach? He was wearing a bathing suit!

HE HAS SOMETHING TO HIDE!

180 Dar ul Harb  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 8:04:54pm

Obama's junk?

When did this turn into a hardware thread?

181 The Shadow Do  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 8:05:00pm

re: #158 Mad Al-Jaffee

My mother and my sister in law are both great cooks, but they often prefer to eat what me and my brother cook (especially when I grill and barbecue.)

I was just kidding. You want to eat well, I'll be cookin' it.

182 reine.de.tout  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 8:05:04pm

re: #178 Killgore Trout

She did break her leg recently so she's been to the doctor plenty. Come to think of it maybe it was her meds.


Oh, yeah, could very well be!
Hope so, Killgore.

183 Killgore Trout  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 8:05:10pm

re: #175 MandyManners

No, she's in the Southwest.

184 The Left  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 8:05:23pm

re: #146 jaunte

They should relax and remember that covered wagons are a symbol of Manifest Destiny.

WIN! *applause*

185 revobob  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 8:05:26pm

re: #149 yochanan

carbon black is mostly linseed oil and soot


I know, but I did home-made Italian sauce tonite, so the olive oil thing was right there. Much tastier than carbon black too. Like Reine, my high school had the same policy- all the guys took a home ec class, girls took shop. (At our wedding reception my mother told Mrs Revo's mother that "At least Bob can cook!"- I may live that down, but 42 years hasn't dome it yet!).

186 Sharmuta  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 8:05:27pm

re: #178 Killgore Trout

She did break her leg recently so she's been to the doctor plenty. Come to think of it maybe it was her meds.

Keep an eye on the situation and if it happens again, she should discuss it with her doctor.

187 Dancing along the light of day  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 8:05:28pm

re: #169 Killgore Trout

Better to be prepared & not need it, than get caught unprepared.

188 Killian Bundy  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 8:05:38pm

Obama to Nominate Fed Chairman Bernanke to New Term

President Obama will reappoint Ben S. Bernanke as chairman of the Federal Reserve, administration officials said Monday night, electing to maintain continuity in the nation's most powerful economic policymaker in a time of crisis.

The decision, expected to be announced Tuesday morning, ends speculation about the fate of the nation's top banker, who won praise for the unprecedented actions taken to contain the recession but came under withering criticism from lawmakers for failing to prevent the financial meltdown that dragged the country and the rest of the world into a deep downturn.

/better choice than nominating his crony Larry Summers

189 Kosh's Shadow  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 8:05:56pm

re: #155 MandyManners

This thread has me thinking of the day when The Kid went into my father's office in Denver. He bent down to turn on the computer then he hopped up into the chair. He then typed in the alpha-numeric password to log on. Then, he clicked on the ISP icon. Next, he typed in the alpha-numeric password.

He'd spent some time there with my dad, playing around with various age-appropriate sites.

He was about 2.5 years old.

The other day, I discovered that he had figured out how to send a lot of my e-stuff to the SPAM folder in order to hide messages from his school to me about a a certain incident.

AH GOTZ ME A HAKKER!

At least he'll be able to make money when all the computer jobs are outsourced.
Well, either as a security expert, or a hacker. Back in my college days, that was almost the same thing. And yes, back in the 1970's, I was considered a hacker. At least, someone who put a list together of [school name] hackers of the 1970's included me on the list.

190 Mad Al-Jaffee  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 8:06:09pm

re: #181 The Shadow Do

I was just kidding. You want to eat well, I'll be cookin' it.

I knew you were. But did you know that some of the best chefs in the world are actually men? :)

191 Bagua  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 8:06:38pm

re: #179 Last Mohican

Yeah. Come to think of it, remember that famous photo of him shirtless on the beach? He was wearing a bathing suit!

HE HAS SOMETHING TO HIDE!

I think we're on to something, time to file a lawsuit and demand he produce it!

192 MandyManners  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 8:06:47pm

re: #171 iceweasel

Because I like making fun of the freepers, and others here seem to as well.

I thought the original was a drive-by.

193 CommonCents  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 8:07:00pm

re: #133 iceweasel

Hi folks. Sorry for the driveby. I had to come let you know about what I've found in Wingnuttia today. The latest trend in nirther conspiracies, from the great minds at Free Republic:

"Is Obama circumscised?"

[Link: www.freerepublic.com...]

Personally, I think these people ought to be worrying less about whether Obama is "intact" and more about how intact their mental health is...

There's the PROOF that he was born in Kenya!!!
///

194 MandyManners  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 8:07:21pm

Never mind.

195 [deleted]  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 8:07:32pm
196 Spare O'Lake  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 8:07:48pm

re: #170 VioletTiger

Sorry to hear this Killgore. Insist that she gets a checkup. It could be something relatively simple. My grand-mom got this way when her electrolytes were off.

Excellent point. Also, I think infections can also cause confusion.

197 reine.de.tout  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 8:07:48pm

Hm.
I just realized if you misspell Killgore's name, you get "kill ogre".
Does it mean anything?
A subliminal message of some sort?
What does it mean?

198 Bagua  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 8:08:05pm

re: #193 CommonCents

There's the PROOF that he was born in Kenya!!!
///

Good point, let's send some-one to Kenya to check the status of all the males.

199 OldLineTexan  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 8:08:22pm

re: #194 MandyManners

Never mind.

HA! Did someone mention eagle rights?

/

200 Oh no...Sand People!  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 8:08:23pm

re: #191 Bagua

I think we're on to something, time to file a lawsuit and demand he produce it!

I guarantee you that it would make the cover of TIME...along with a halo and stuff.

/

201 The Shadow Do  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 8:08:26pm

re: #129 Killgore Trout

OT: I had a disturbing talk with my mom today. She's was confused, angry and didn't remember previous conversations we'd had. It might have been a simple misunderstanding, she's always been "difficult" but I'm a little worried about dementia or Alzheimer's. Not sure how to gracefully broach the subject with her.

I really hope not Kilgore. My dad went down that road. It is hard. More likely it is just quirks that come with old age. I know. I have a few.

202 Kosh's Shadow  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 8:08:27pm

re: #179 Last Mohican

Yeah. Come to think of it, remember that famous photo of him shirtless on the beach? He was wearing a bathing suit!

HE HAS SOMETHING TO HIDE!

Yes, we'd see he has no balls because Michelle has them locked up in a box.
///

203 Sharmuta  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 8:08:31pm

re: #197 reine.de.tout

Hm.
I just realized if you misspell Killgore's name, you get "kill ogre".
Does it mean anything?
A subliminal message of some sort?
What does it mean?

Killgore is a Shrekophobe!

204 MandyManners  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 8:09:05pm

re: #133 iceweasel

8/24/09 7:55:38

205 CommonCents  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 8:09:10pm

re: #198 Bagua

Good point, let's send some-one to Kenya to check the status of all the males.

I volunteer Iceweasal for an all expenses paid one month trip to check foreskin in Kenya.

206 OldLineTexan  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 8:09:12pm

re: #198 Bagua

Good point, let's send some-one to Kenya to check the status of all the males.

Who do we know that's cockeyed?

/

207 MandyManners  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 8:09:34pm

GAH.

208 Killgore Trout  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 8:09:42pm

re: #133 iceweasel

A few comments down on that thread...

Zombietime is one of the web sites that SInclair state is a puppet of Obama. He uses it to manipulate information

?

209 Last Mohican  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 8:10:33pm

re: #178 Killgore Trout

She did break her leg recently so she's been to the doctor plenty. Come to think of it maybe it was her meds.

If it's just a recent thing, rather than a gradually progressive thing, then it could be the meds, or the broken leg itself. I don't know how old your mom is, but sometimes when folks get past a certain age, any little perturbation in their health can make them act a little bit loopy. The classic example that third-year medical students learn about is an elderly lady who comes into the hospital with a change in mental status, and turns out to have a urinary tract infection, even though she doesn't complain of any specific symptoms thereof.

210 The Shadow Do  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 8:10:42pm

re: #190 Mad Al-Jaffee

I knew you were. But did you know that some of the best chefs in the world are actually men? :)

Of course, and I am one of them!

211 OldLineTexan  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 8:11:06pm

re: #208 Killgore Trout

A few comments down on that thread...


?

dibs on a sock named "PuppetOfObama"

212 revobob  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 8:11:06pm

re: #206 OldLineTexan

Who do we know that's cockeyed?

/


Throbert might could handle that.

213 MandyManners  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 8:11:07pm

re: #183 Killgore Trout

No, she's in the Southwest.

You're in the NorthWest.

I *think* I have your e-addy.

I'm gonna' shoot a message to you. Please let me know if you get it.

214 Bloodnok  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 8:11:18pm

re: #195 revobob

Because she wants to be a pr#@k?

Yeah right. If anyone else had posted that you'd be laughing your ass off. It's funny. And telling. But I forgot, it's okay to hate the messenger. Carry On Snarking.

215 VioletTiger  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 8:11:31pm

re: #178 Killgore Trout

She did break her leg recently so she's been to the doctor plenty. Come to think of it maybe it was her meds.

It very well could be. Make sure her MD knows.

216 Mich-again  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 8:11:35pm

re: #208 Killgore Trout

Zombietime is one of the web sites that SInclair state is a puppet of Obama. He uses it to manipulate information


That will give Zombie a big laugh I'm sure.

217 The Left  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 8:12:14pm

re: #208 Killgore Trout

A few comments down on that thread...

?

WTF? I hadn't even seen that. I'm sure it would be a surprise to Zombie to discover he/she is some kind of Obama puppet!

218 Bagua  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 8:12:16pm

re: #200 Oh no...Sand People!

I guarantee you that it would make the cover of TIME...along with a halo and stuff.

/

Well, I was going to appear at the next Presidential appearance with my salty rifles, but now my focus has changed.

I will be armed with a different sort of strap on!

/

219 Oh no...Sand People!  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 8:12:51pm

re:

220 Killgore Trout  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 8:13:19pm

re: #213 MandyManners

Got it.

221 OldLineTexan  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 8:13:37pm

why couldn't iceweasel start a boob thread like everyone else?

/

222 Gearhead  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 8:13:38pm

Rumor has it the next version will have a "retro-80's" look and feel. The code name is "Def Leopard".

223 OldLineTexan  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 8:13:55pm

re: #219 Oh no...Sand People!

I can't argue with that.

224 Digital Display  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 8:14:12pm

re: #211 OldLineTexan

dibs on a sock named "PuppetOfObama"

For every 10 sockpuppets you get 1 free cup of coffee and a roll.

225 CommonCents  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 8:14:15pm

re: #221 OldLineTexan

why couldn't iceweasel start a boob thread like everyone else?

/

That would be a hoot

226 Last Mohican  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 8:14:26pm

re: #215 VioletTiger

It very well could be. Make sure her MD knows.

Yup, I agree, a call to her doctor is in order. If it's her new meds, then her meds should be changed. But it could be some complication from the leg, or a totally unrelated UTI, or something. Best to get her tuned up and back in shape.

227 Mad Al-Jaffee  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 8:14:38pm

re: #225 CommonCents

Deja Vu.

228 Racer X  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 8:14:45pm
229 The Left  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 8:14:48pm

re: #221 OldLineTexan

why couldn't iceweasel start a boob thread like everyone else?

/

Gender equality, comrade! ;)

230 CommonCents  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 8:14:49pm

re: #225 CommonCents

That would be a hoot

The plural of which is of course, hooters

231 Oh no...Sand People!  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 8:15:58pm

re: #223 OldLineTexan

I can't argue with that.

My connection got all kind of janky...and I pressed submit...deleted some stuff to revise a comment and it posted after it came back...

/sign of endtimes...

232 Racer X  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 8:16:01pm
233 Oh no...Sand People!  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 8:16:46pm

re: #221 OldLineTexan

why couldn't iceweasel start a boob thread like everyone else?

/

Instead we get the Presidential Seal...
/

234 Last Mohican  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 8:17:18pm

re: #208 Killgore Trout

Zombietime is one of the web sites that SInclair state is a puppet of Obama. He uses it to manipulate information

I dare someone to go over to freerepublic.com and tell them that you have evidence that freerepublic.com itself is actually a secret Obama puppet site. Tell them you got the IP address of the server, and it's in Kenya.

235 reine.de.tout  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 8:17:18pm

re: #221 OldLineTexan

why couldn't iceweasel start a boob thread like everyone else?

/

This comment is the one I always think of as a classic boob thread start

236 Bloodnok  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 8:17:35pm

re: #232 Racer X

Robots!

The iCub! Something about that name. I like it.

237 calcajun  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 8:17:54pm

re: #59 MandyManners

Oh come on-- they were dirty and smelly like the rest of in the lab at 3 AM.

238 CommonCents  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 8:18:56pm

re: #232 Racer X

Robots!

Anyone near Adamstown, PA that likes robots needs to check out the Toy Robot Museum.

I'm sure my brother-in-law appreciates the free plug.

239 The Left  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 8:19:42pm

re: #234 Last Mohican

I dare someone to go over to freerepublic.com and tell them that you have evidence that freerepublic.com itself is actually a secret Obama puppet site. Tell them you got the IP address of the server, and it's in Kenya.

Genius. Sheer genius.

240 Gearhead  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 8:20:07pm

re: #232 Racer X

Robots!

Several of those look like thinly disguised pleasure-bots.

241 Oh no...Sand People!  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 8:22:31pm

re: #232 Racer X

Robots!

So this, for some strange reason, reminds me of a spoof I wanted to come up with on 'realism in videogames'. The idea is to get a bunch of Wii videogame players who are all into the 'realism' of moving around while playing the game etc.

They would get a peak into the new next-gen Wii basketball game...

I would blindfold them...and give them a basketball, and tell them it's a new 'motion sensor nintendo ball', take them to a basketball court. Unblindfold them...and be like, "Dude! Check out the graphics! It's like...sooo real! Check out the PHYSICS! You really have to run! Isn't this great!"

/It would make a great youtube spoof...IMHO.

242 Racer X  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 8:24:40pm

How a Solar-Hydrogen Economy Could Supply the World's Energy Needs

[snip]

Overall, Abbott's message is that there exists a single technology that can supply the world's energy needs in a clean, sustainable way: solar-hydrogen. The difference in his approach compared to other analyses, he explains, is his long-term perspective. While nuclear power is often cited to be the economically favorable technology in the short-term, Abbott argues that the long-term return on nuclear power is virtually zero due to its limited lifetime, while solar-hydrogen power can theoretically last us the next one billion years.

243 Gearhead  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 8:25:47pm

re: #241 Oh no...Sand People!

So this, for some strange reason, reminds me of a spoof I wanted to come up with on 'realism in videogames'. The idea is to get a bunch of Wii videogame players who are all into the 'realism' of moving around while playing the game etc.

They would get a peak into the new next-gen Wii basketball game...

I would blindfold them...and give them a basketball, and tell them it's a new 'motion sensor nintendo ball', take them to a basketball court. Unblindfold them...and be like, "Dude! Check out the graphics! It's like...sooo real! Check out the PHYSICS! You really have to run! Isn't this great!"

/It would make a great youtube spoof...IMHO.

If you need someone to test your faux-realistic version of Gran Turismo, I'm in.

244 Racer X  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 8:25:48pm

re: #240 Gearhead

Several of those look like thinly disguised pleasure-bots.

Creepy!

But intriguing...

245 Gearhead  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 8:26:35pm

re: #244 Racer X

Creepy!

But intriguing...

Did I just over-share again?

246 Silvergirl  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 8:27:22pm

Iceweasel. Snow Leopard. Cousins?

247 Mad Al-Jaffee  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 8:27:59pm

re: #246 Silvergirl

Iceweasel. Snow Leopard. Cousins?

Do they have birth certificates?!

249 NY Nana  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 8:28:04pm

re: #155 MandyManners

You've gotz yourself a very, very bright son...

250 calcajun  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 8:28:43pm

re: #129 Killgore Trout

There is no easy way. Going through it with mom and mom-in-law. It could be something other than Alzheimer's. There are some forms of dementia and then there is just being forgetful. I know from my mom that sometimes when she repeats her self that it is not dementia, but that she has run out of things to say-- she is trying to keep the conversation going. It becomes incumbent on you at that point to direct the conversation and the flow.

You might also note whether her short-term or long term memory is affected. She how she does with things from years ago.

OTHO, if she recycles the past--revisiting old arguments and slights, then that is a sign of Alzheimer's --which Mom has done once or twice.

It's not easy to see.

251 Oh no...Sand People!  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 8:29:03pm

re: #243 Gearhead

If you need someone to test your faux-realistic version of Gran Turismo, I'm in.

That would be cool.

/I guess I left out the part where they were all slovenly WoW types (no offense to the non slovenly WoW types...)... 30 seconds into the game..."Press PAUSE! Anyone...*huff* *huff*..."

252 Mad Al-Jaffee  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 8:30:33pm

re: #251 Oh no...Sand People!

I have never played WOW, but I love that South Park episode about it. Same with Guitar Hero.

253 Coracle  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 8:30:37pm

re: #248 Racer X

Lower-cost solar cells to be printed like newspaper, painted on rooftops

That rocks. Especially if it's got good cost scaling and practical manufacturing.

254 The Left  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 8:30:59pm

re: #246 Silvergirl

re: #247 Mad Al-Jaffee

Do they have birth certificates?!

Of course! I've produced my birth certificate here before, upon request.

255 MandyManners  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 8:33:05pm

re: #249 NY Nana

You've gotz yourself a very, very bright son...

He scares the living shit outta' me!

256 calcajun  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 8:33:36pm

re: #240 Gearhead

Several of those look like thinly disguised pleasure-bots.

One in a bridal gown ain't "thinly disguised" --it's guy who has everything, but can't get anything.

257 Kosh's Shadow  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 8:33:41pm

re: #242 Racer X

How a Solar-Hydrogen Economy Could Supply the World's Energy Needs

[snip]

National Academy of Engineering study said this was uneconomical without significant improvements in the efficiency of producing hydrogen from sea water, or solar plants, or both.

258 HelloDare  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 8:34:16pm

I just might upgrade to Snow Leopard. I'm running Hyena now and I'm not too happy with it.

259 The Shadow Do  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 8:34:29pm

re: #242 Racer X

How a Solar-Hydrogen Economy Could Supply the World's Energy Needs

[snip]

Man, am I tired of the magic bullet solutions. You use the best availible technology while you work for the next better solution.

Otherwise it is step back, accept societal regression, pronounce future redemption, and hope for change. And suffer.

Stupid.

260 calcajun  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 8:34:55pm

re: #255 MandyManners

He scares the living shit outta' me!

We talkn' "hockey mask n' butcher knife" scary or "Mom, watch me do this" scary?

261 Mad Al-Jaffee  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 8:35:01pm

re: #254 iceweasel

Hilarious! Wish I could upding more.

262 Racer X  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 8:35:55pm

New York man sells bad advice cheap

While he was talking to a reporter from the New York Daily News, Chaplauske was approached by 22 year-old Sarah Samuels.

"I'm moving to Ecuador next Friday," she said. "Do you have any suggestions?"

"When you're packing, pack as much drugs as you can," he answered. "And make sure you put your name on your bag."

Samuels handed him a dollar bill and kept walking.

263 SFGoth  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 8:36:10pm

Almost looks like Toonses, but he's a little tiger.

264 Oh no...Sand People!  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 8:36:28pm

re: #248 Racer X

Lower-cost solar cells to be printed like newspaper, painted on rooftops

Reminds me of these guys. [Link: www.nanosolar.com...]

This stuff is all part of the move we need to the right direction. Energy independence and doing what we can to help the world out in the AGW scare-a-thon.

265 Bloodnok  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 8:36:34pm

re: #261 Mad Al-Jaffee

Hilarious! Wish I could upding more.

Try Vitamin -E and watching less baseball.

266 MandyManners  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 8:37:53pm

re: #260 calcajun

We talkn' "hockey mask n' butcher knife" scary or "Mom, watch me do this" scary?

Neither.

267 Mad Al-Jaffee  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 8:38:37pm

re: #265 Bloodnok

Try Vitamin -E and watching less baseball.

Maybe I should hit the local oyster happy hour more often as well.

268 Bagua  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 8:38:46pm

re: #255 MandyManners

He scares the living shit outta' me!

Clever kid,

whats his email address? I'm having some problems with my pc...

269 Racer X  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 8:38:52pm

re: #259 The Shadow Do

Man, am I tired of the magic bullet solutions. You use the best availible technology while you work for the next better solution.

Otherwise it is step back, accept societal regression, pronounce future redemption, and hope for change. And suffer.

Stupid.

Agreed.

Nuclear is the best we got right now.

270 calcajun  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 8:40:58pm

re: #266 MandyManners

Wait till he's a full teenager.

271 Oh no...Sand People!  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 8:41:04pm

re: #259 The Shadow Do

Man, am I tired of the magic bullet solutions. You use the best availible technology while you work for the next better solution.

Otherwise it is step back, accept societal regression, pronounce future redemption, and hope for change. And suffer.

Stupid.

Wait! Where did you get a copy of Obama's playbook?

272 MandyManners  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 8:42:00pm

re: #268 Bagua

Clever kid,

whats his email address? I'm having some problems with my pc...

mymomkillsperverts@whatever.com.

273 The Shadow Do  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 8:42:07pm

re: #271 Oh no...Sand People!

Wait! Where did you get a copy of Obama's playbook?

Shhh...

274 calcajun  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 8:42:08pm

re: #271 Oh no...Sand People!

Wait! Where did you get a copy of Obama's playbook?

Claw machine in the bowling alley?

275 Racer X  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 8:42:22pm

The Dead Kennedys - Holiday in Cambodia


276 livefreeor die  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 8:42:51pm

re: #209 Last Mohican

If it's just a recent thing, rather than a gradually progressive thing, then it could be the meds, or the broken leg itself. I don't know how old your mom is, but sometimes when folks get past a certain age, any little perturbation in their health can make them act a little bit loopy. The classic example that third-year medical students learn about is an elderly lady who comes into the hospital with a change in mental status, and turns out to have a urinary tract infection, even though she doesn't complain of any specific symptoms thereof.

Years ago I was asked to do an emergency assessment of an elderly woman who said someone had tried to carjack her in her neighborhood. The only problem was a neighbor was driving behind her and nothing had happened. It turned out she was having a reaction to the interactions of several prescription medications at once.

My dad's doctors recently thought he had sudden onset of Parkinson's disease. Instead, it turned out to be a drug interaction effect.

Does she get all her prescriptions from the same pharmacy?

277 NY Nana  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 8:44:39pm

re: #129 Killgore Trout

I would first try to get the list of medications. I know that at 71, there are meds that I can no longer tolerate. From my experience the Pharmacist can give you far better info re each med than the MD.

In NY, the Pharmacist must give you a sheet with all the info in plain English re each RX you buy.

What bothers me the most re meds is that with all the advertising on TV, radio, in newspapers, and tear-outs in magazines, people will ask the MD, who has very little time to spend with the patient, for one of the meds that has a money-off offer in many cases, and the MD will either give the patient a free sample, or just write the script.

There are far more untoward effects from meds in the elderly.

278 The Shadow Do  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 8:46:25pm

re: #277 NY Nana


There are far more untoward effects from meds in the elderly.


Rings of truth.

279 Racer X  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 8:46:31pm

Now this is a robot.

280 calcajun  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 8:46:42pm

re: #155 MandyManners

Sigh. Start checking the cred card balances daily.

281 Sharmuta  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 8:48:30pm

Did someone say robots?!

282 Charles Johnson  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 8:49:02pm

I'm always amazed at the kinds of underhanded crap people will pull.

After spamming LGF's spinoff links with every single post he ever put on his blog, and presuming mightily on my hospitality, Carl from Jerusalem links to Gates of Vienna at his blog tonight -- and for some reason, skips posting that one here.

Carl has never posted a single link that didn't go to his blog. And now he won't be using my site to promote himself any more.

283 reine.de.tout  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 8:49:47pm

re: #277 NY Nana

I would first try to get the list of medications. I know that at 71, there are meds that I can no longer tolerate. From my experience the Pharmacist can give you far better info re each med than the MD.

In NY, the Pharmacist must give you a sheet with all the info in plain English re each RX you buy.

What bothers me the most re meds is that with all the advertising on TV, radio, in newspapers, and tear-outs in magazines, people will ask the MD, who has very little time to spend with the patient, for one of the meds that has a money-off offer in many cases, and the MD will either give the patient a free sample, or just write the script.

There are far more untoward effects from meds in the elderly.

Nana - I have also discovered that doctors often don't know about the interactions of medications nearly as well as the pharmacist, and nothing beats reading the materials that come with your prescription.

There is a particular antibiotic that is not supposed to be taken with the cholesterol medication. I only knew this because I read the material that came with the prescription before taking the antibiotic. Now I know to stop taking the cholesterol med when I have to take that antibiotic; but neither the pharmacist nor my doctor said the first thing about it. ALWAYS READ THE INSERTS.

284 NY Nana  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 8:51:01pm

re: #255 MandyManners

Been there, done that.;)

There is a saying: 'Small children, small problems. Big children? Big problems'!

The reason these old sayings are still around is that they are true!

286 livefreeor die  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 8:54:48pm

re: #283 reine.de.tout

Some of the online medical sites also allow you to type in all the medications you are taking and then they provide you with a list of possible interactions. Most of my dad's doctors initially brushed off the possibility of a drug interaction causing his symptoms. When I researched it and found several of his meds could interact to cause his motor symptoms, my brother and I had to push him to bring it up with his doctors. Luckily, he went to see a doctor he hadn't seen in a while and that doctor agreed it was likely a med interaction, changed his meds, and his symptoms are now gone.

287 MandyManners  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 8:55:26pm

re: #282 Charles

I'm always amazed at the kinds of underhanded crap people will pull.

After spamming LGF's spinoff links with every single post he ever put on his blog, and presuming mightily on my hospitality, Carl from Jerusalem links to Gates of Vienna at his blog tonight -- and for some reason, skips posting that one here.

Carl has never posted a single link that didn't go to his blog. And now he won't be using my site to promote himself any more.

q

288 reine.de.tout  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 8:57:22pm

re: #286 livefreeor die

Some of the online medical sites also allow you to type in all the medications you are taking and then they provide you with a list of possible interactions. Most of my dad's doctors initially brushed off the possibility of a drug interaction causing his symptoms. When I researched it and found several of his meds could interact to cause his motor symptoms, my brother and I had to push him to bring it up with his doctors. Luckily, he went to see a doctor he hadn't seen in a while and that doctor agreed it was likely a med interaction, changed his meds, and his symptoms are now gone.

When I get a prescription, I will now look it up on one of those sites before I pick up the prescription. If there seems to be the potential for an undesirable interaction, I can call the doc and get it taken care of before even going to the pharmacy.

Those sites are great. AND, people really need to keep themselves informed. There are so many medications, taken for so many conditions - people just need to keep themselves informed, there is no way the doctors can know EVERYTHING about the meds.

289 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 8:59:16pm

re: #282 Charles

I'm always amazed at the kinds of underhanded crap people will pull.

After spamming LGF's spinoff links with every single post he ever put on his blog, and presuming mightily on my hospitality, Carl from Jerusalem links to Gates of Vienna at his blog tonight -- and for some reason, skips posting that one here.

Carl has never posted a single link that didn't go to his blog. And now he won't be using my site to promote himself any more.

I keep thinking "The Gates of Vienna" would be a good name for a coffee place.

I wish they were not problematic, because my old rabbi likes to talk about the gates of Vienna. But he is elderly and adorable, and has a cute German accent, and is not nuts.

290 mikeymom  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 9:00:18pm

re: #282 Charles

charles?? there is another lgf'er who comes on and is constantly pimping her site. i thought that was a no-no?

291 Bagua  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 9:01:12pm

re: #282 Charles

I'm always amazed at the kinds of underhanded crap people will pull.

After spamming LGF's spinoff links with every single post he ever put on his blog, and presuming mightily on my hospitality, Carl from Jerusalem links to Gates of Vienna at his blog tonight -- and doesn't post that one here.

Carl has never posted a single link that didn't go to his blog. And now he won't be using my site to promote himself any more.

Nothing like biting the hand what feed you!

Those who live by the link die by the link.

292 NY Nana  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 9:03:42pm

re: #283 reine.de.tout

Nana - I have also discovered that doctors often don't know about the interactions of medications nearly as well as the pharmacist, and nothing beats reading the materials that come with your prescription.

There is a particular antibiotic that is not supposed to be taken with the cholesterol medication. I only knew this because I read the material that came with the prescription before taking the antibiotic. Now I know to stop taking the cholesterol med when I have to take that antibiotic; but neither the pharmacist nor my doctor said the first thing about it. ALWAYS READ THE INSERTS.

Exactly. And I am a retired RN...but the meds they use today? So many are given without even checking the patient's allergies. I have had 2 events over the years before the inserts. I do not know if every State requires them. I would hope they do.

I dare not even think of what it will be like under Obama Care...

293 Sharmuta  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 9:05:09pm

re: #282 Charles

I'm so sorry.

294 Sheila Broflovski  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 9:07:42pm

Am I too late to this thread?

My first computer was a TRS-80 (lovingly called the Trash-80) from Radio shack.

295 loggiedog  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 9:09:14pm

Can't they get more creative? Snow Leopard? They could have used Cougar or Lynx or Tomcat or Cheetah or wildcat but Snow Leopard? They should have at least used up all the single noun names for feline species. They might as well have called it Andean Mountain Cat or Kodkod.

I hope the OS is better than the name. I mean they could have at least released Snow Leopard in the wintertime. Lynx would have been a good name, but LynxOS exists, at least for embedded controllers and would have been a copyright infringement case were Lynx used.

296 livefreeor die  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 9:10:56pm

re: #294 Alouette

Am I too late to this thread?

My first computer was a TRS-80 (lovingly called the Trash-80) from Radio shack.

Ditto!

297 Sheila Broflovski  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 9:11:58pm

re: #290 mikeymom

charles?? there is another lgf'er who comes on and is constantly pimping her site. i thought that was a no-no?

I pimp my site in the spinoffs, but I don't spin more than one blog post per thread. Also my ratio of posts to spinoffs is about 10 to 1.

298 loggiedog  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 9:13:59pm

Probably worth the $29 upgrade if it doesn't force me to upgrade Aperture 2

299 Sheila Broflovski  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 9:14:03pm

I watched "Wall-E" tonight. Really clever film, like a Disney animation of "Idiocracy" but without the cussing and with superior production values.

300 wee fury  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 9:14:26pm

My first computer was a Compaq. It lost it's mind in a hot bumpy moving van on the way to Florida. It never recovered. I was sad.

301 mikeymom  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 9:15:03pm

re: #297 Alouette

I pimp my site in the spinoffs, but I don't spin more than one blog post per thread. Also my ratio of posts to spinoffs is about 10 to 1.

i wasnt referring to you alouette. this is a female-guys here were fawning all over her for awhile. then she got here own blog and comes in every now and then--says--hey guys-check out my blog for the latest on--- i find it very annoying and am suprised no one has called her on it. maybe i will next time.

302 Sheila Broflovski  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 9:17:42pm

re: #301 mikeymom

i wasnt referring to you alouette. this is a female-guys here were fawning all over her for awhile. then she got here own blog and comes in every now and then--says--hey guys-check out my blog for the latest on--- i find it very annoying and am suprised no one has called her on it. maybe i will next time.

I think I know who you are talking about. But to be fair, she pretty much stopped posting here when she started up her blog, which BTW is a very good one. Unlike Carl who spammed the spinoffs on every thread and rarely participate in the conversation.

303 Sharmuta  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 9:18:15pm

re: #301 mikeymom

Well- there are a couple of those around. Standards are not applied equally.

304 mikeymom  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 9:19:44pm

re: #302 Alouette

I think I know who you are talking about. But to be fair, she pretty much stopped posting here when she started up her blog, which BTW is a very good one. Unlike Carl who spammed the spinoffs on every thread and rarely participate in the conversation.

i see her a few times a week and its always a pimp.

305 The Shadow Do  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 9:21:49pm

re: #292 NY Nana

Exactly. And I am a retired RN...but the meds they use today? So many are given without even checking the patient's allergies. I have had 2 events over the years before the inserts. I do not know if every State requires them. I would hope they do.

I dare not even think of what it will be like under Obama Care...

The government loves you Nana, really!
///

306 Bear  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 9:22:44pm

re: #294 Alouette

Ah yes the TRS-80. My first experience with a computer was when I got back from vacation and found that I was to teach a computer class! The school wanted a non-certificated person to offer the class and as I had the a certificate the administration used me as the instructor of record so the other person could give the class. After the second week I decided I better get a computer so liked the sound of a color rather than b/w screen and bought an Apple.

307 avspatti  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 9:25:45pm

re: #105 reine.de.tout

Well, this may sound really quaint . . .
but at one time, people took typing classes, where one could learn to type with great accuracy at high speed.

I must have had a great typing teacher. To this day, I can type accurately at close to 100 wpm.

I don't think there are many folks who can do that any more.

Most useful class I ever took!

308 avspatti  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 9:28:50pm

re: #295 loggiedog

Can't they get more creative? Snow Leopard? They could have used Cougar or Lynx or Tomcat or Cheetah or wildcat but Snow Leopard? They should have at least used up all the single noun names for feline species. They might as well have called it Andean Mountain Cat or Kodkod.

I hope the OS is better than the name. I mean they could have at least released Snow Leopard in the wintertime. Lynx would have been a good name, but LynxOS exists, at least for embedded controllers and would have been a copyright infringement case were Lynx used.

I'm waiting for Cheetah.

309 Killgore Trout  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 9:33:13pm

re: #282 Charles

Bummer. It was odd to see the Eurofascists embrace Israel and even odder to see the Zionists embrace back. Strange days.

310 jordash1212  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 9:35:15pm

Can't wait for Snow Leopard. I've seen a few clean copies running around the torrent sites, but I just bought my Macbook Pro and don't want to tempt that. Snow Leopard's supposed to be amazingly fast, though.

311 jordash1212  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 9:40:30pm

re: #7 MandyManners

I'm just about ready to whip out my DE .50 and put a crater in my CPU.

Stop spending your money on expensive handguns and buy a macbook pro. That way you'll keep yourself from having to buy a new computer once you decimate the other one :-P

312 Sharmuta  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 9:40:48pm

re: #309 Killgore Trout

Strange days.

Indeed.

313 Kosh's Shadow  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 9:41:37pm

re: #300 wee fury

My first computer was a Compaq. It lost it's mind in a hot bumpy moving van on the way to Florida. It never recovered. I was sad.

The first computer I used (in a public high school, actually) was one of these:
[Link: ibm1130.org...]

The first one I owned was a Commodore Pet, which erased all the programs I wrote.

The next was an Apple ][, which I still have, and could probably get working again.

The oldest computer I own is a PDP-8e, which I probably also could get working again.

314 avanti  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 9:43:11pm

Simon Cowell loves this audition.


315 avanti  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 9:43:38pm

re: #314 avanti

Simon Cowell loves this audition.

316 Sharmuta  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 9:47:03pm

re: #314 avanti

Can't go wrong with a Lennon-McCartney song. :)

317 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 9:47:32pm

Hey Night Lizards! It is allergy season in Near Iowa.

How are you-all and what are we talking about?

318 NY Nana  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 9:49:34pm

re: #305 The Shadow Do

Can I sell you a bridge?

319 calcajun  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 9:50:49pm

re: #309 Killgore Trout

Bummer. It was odd to see the Eurofascists embrace Israel and even odder to see the Zionists embrace back. Strange days.

Not to worry. Armageddon won't happen until the Cubs win the series. If that happens, then the end is nigh.

320 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 9:51:29pm

re: #318 NY Nana

Can I sell you a bridge?

Yes. I'm interested in a small portable bridge for crossing small rivers near my home. ;)

321 The Shadow Do  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 9:52:26pm

re: #318 NY Nana

Can I sell you a bridge?

I know a deal when I see one, do you have two bridges?

322 calcajun  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 9:53:21pm

re: #318 NY Nana

Can I sell you a bridge?

Upper or lower?

323 NY Nana  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 9:54:52pm

re: #320 Dark_Falcon

Yes. I'm interested in a small portable bridge for crossing small rivers near my home. ;)

Darn...I just checked the stock, and they are on a 6-week back order.

324 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 9:55:20pm

We just had a troll get the stick on the last thread. I'll now take orders for side dishes for tonight's Troll Roast.

325 Gus  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 9:58:42pm

re: #324 Dark_Falcon

We just had a troll get the stick on the last thread. I'll now take orders for side dishes for tonight's Troll Roast.

Saw that one coming, or is that going, yesterday.

326 NY Nana  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 10:01:05pm

re: #322 calcajun

Upper or lower?

My husband has a used set...interested in it? Whoops...forgot he is wearing it! ;)

327 NY Nana  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 10:02:03pm

re: #324 Dark_Falcon

We just had a troll get the stick on the last thread. I'll now take orders for side dishes for tonight's Troll Roast.

Darn. Troll meat is not kosher..oh, well...more for everyone else!

328 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 10:02:45pm

re: #325 Gus 802

Saw that one coming, or is that going, yesterday.

I'd did see this coming. The troll just posted, even though it was blocked. I don't how the troll did that, but its scary.

329 sngnsgt  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 10:03:07pm

re: #324 Dark_Falcon

Thin sliced on a Kaiser roll with onions and Provolone cheese, and a draft beer to wash it down with... side of fries with Cheddar cheese on the side too.

330 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 10:03:17pm

re: #327 NY Nana

Darn. Troll meat is not kosher..oh, well...more for everyone else!

I've got some Hebrew National hot dogs. Will those work for you?

331 Gus  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 10:03:53pm

re: #328 Dark_Falcon

I'd did see this coming. The troll just posted, even though it was blocked. I don't how the troll did that, but its scary.

Yeah, that was pretty strange. Posted after being blocked.

It's el demonio!

//

332 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 10:04:53pm

re: #329 sngnsgt

Thin sliced on a Kaiser roll with onions and Provolone cheese, and a draft beer to wash it down with... side of fries with Cheddar cheese on the side too.

That's a deli sandwich with a hot dog stand side. I can make that work. Let me warm up the cheese.

333 NY Nana  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 10:05:25pm

re: #330 Dark_Falcon

I've got some Hebrew National hot dogs. Will those work for you?

At 1 AM? Oy! Would you believe that I haven't had a hot dog in years?

334 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 10:05:32pm

re: #324 Dark_Falcon

We just had a troll get the stick on the last thread. I'll now take orders for side dishes for tonight's Troll Roast.

Spinach sauteed in garlic oil.

You are a great cook!

335 realwest  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 10:06:40pm

re: #282 Charles
Hi Charles - I'm sorry to see that he did that. But Carl also has GoV AND Atlas Shrugs on his blogroll. As much as I don't understand his linking to GoV, I'm even more perplexed that he has them on his blog roll.
Moreover, iirc, Carl actually started -as did several other bloggers - here at LGF.
Nice way for him to treat someone who's always treated him with respect.

336 Killian Bundy  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 10:08:02pm

U.S. Releases Young Guantanamo Detainee

Authorities said Mr. Jawad allegedly threw a grenade that wounded two U.S. soldiers in 2002. Mr. Jawad has maintained that he is innocent and was tortured into confessing, his lawyer said. Federal authorities said recently that they were no longer relying on any statements Mr. Jawad made after he was subjected to harsh interrogations.

A Justice Department official said Mr. Jawad's release didn't preclude charging him in the future.

/all expenses paid plane ride back to the jihad

337 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 10:08:22pm

re: #333 NY Nana

At 1 AM? Oy! Would you believe that I haven't had a hot dog in years?

I'd believe it, though I'm a little surprised. If you like, I'll save your dog for another time.

338 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 10:10:34pm

How do we know Troll isn't kosher?

339 Kosh's Shadow  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 10:13:18pm

re: #338 ggt

How do we know Troll isn't kosher?

Does it chew its cud and have cloven hooves?
Or does it have fins and scales?

340 ArchangelMichael  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 10:13:45pm

re: #338 ggt

How do we know Troll isn't kosher?

They have cloven hooves but don't chew their cud?

341 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 10:15:17pm

re: #340 ArchangelMichael

They have cloven hooves but don't chew their cud?

Trols don't chew the cud, that is certain. They have sharp teeth, all the better to bite the hand that feeds them.

342 realwest  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 10:15:51pm

re: #309 Killgore Trout
Hey Killgore - I was scanning the thread and read about your mom. I'm truly sorry for you and for her.
But if I might make a suggestion (which may not have been made before) she really needs to see a Geriatrics Specialist.
They are truly familiar with and can either provide care instructions or refer her to the appropriate specialist for her.
I do hope she'll be ok.

343 sixoh1  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 10:18:02pm

re: #1 Last Mohican

Okay, so, let's say I'm running 10.5 right now. Do I need to wipe off my hard drive and reinitialize it when I install 10.6? I seem to recall an earlier comment that suggested that.

In answer to your question (which I cannot see any response to other than Charles) - just as in the Tiger to Leopard release, there is no absolute need to re-format your hard drive. As an ADC member I get seed copies of the Snow Leopard release and have installed it on a workstation to do development. The best way to install the update is to do the "Archive and Install" command, this keeps your user information and data in-tact, but throws away all of the major OS components and plug-ins from the prior release. You will have to re-install some extensions/frameworks/libraries that patch the OS, but it is definitely the safest way when making a major OS X version bump.

If you are worried about the effect, wait 2-3 days and then look at the discussion thread on Macintouch ([Link: www.macintouch.com)...] - the community of geeks there tend to find the most serious bugs before Apple does, and sometimes they find the answers first too. If they are having good luck with the update, you should too, and they are rarely shy about kvetching when there are issues with an update.

Sorry I got here late... the thread has been hijacked by political commentary of some kind, cant they keep these things away from our nice technical Macintosh loving threads?

344 realwest  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 10:18:11pm

re: #341 Dark_Falcon
Hi Dark_Falcon - uh, what was the name of the troll y'all roasted in the last thread?

345 jordash1212  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 10:20:59pm

This Friday also marks the 23rd birthday of Gilad Shalit. I think it's appropriate to mention that in conjunction with the release of Snow Leopard.

346 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 10:22:07pm

re: #344 realwest

Hi Dark_Falcon - uh, what was the name of the troll y'all roasted in the last thread?

Its name is LA Conservative and it has not been cooked yet. Even though clicking the nic shows the user to be blocked, he is still posting. I think Charles may have been hacked. Either that or this troll has found some kind of backdoor. Either way, I recommend that everyone go back there and downding him.

347 realwest  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 10:25:46pm

re: #346 Dark_Falcon
Could be Charles has gone off somewhere - perhaps you should e-mail him or at least report all the comments made by him?

348 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 10:26:02pm

OT,

But I would like people upstairs to see this. One of the AGW "skeptics" was arguing that the notion of a tipping point is of necessity, alarmist hogwash.

Here is a good paper about why we think there is one and a review of ideas about where they might be.

PDF warning

[Link: www.sussex.ac.uk...]

349 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 10:30:50pm

re: #339 Kosh's Shadow

Does it chew its cud and have cloven hooves?
Or does it have fins and scales?

We've gone a couple of rounds on this before. I would argue that they do chew their cud--the same old arguments over and over and over--and I have an open mind about the cloven hooves. We could check.

The question is, are we schechting the trolls? Is Stinky Jewish? Beating a troll to death is NOT kosher slaughter.

350 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 10:31:59pm

re: #349 SanFranciscoZionist

We've gone a couple of rounds on this before. I would argue that they do chew their cud--the same old arguments over and over and over--and I have an open mind about the cloven hooves. We could check.

The question is, are we schechting the trolls? Is Stinky Jewish? Beating a troll to death is NOT kosher slaughter.

Would it be kosher to stun the troll with Stinky's wrench and then cut its throat?

351 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 10:32:03pm

re: #348 LudwigVanQuixote

I also posted it on the science board here. I wonder how long until it gets buried by "free thinking" down dingers.

352 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 10:32:34pm

re: #350 Dark_Falcon

Would it be kosher to stun the troll with Stinky's wrench and then cut its throat?

No, you can't stun the animal before cutting, IIUC.

353 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 10:34:36pm

re: #350 Dark_Falcon

Would it be kosher to stun the troll with Stinky's wrench and then cut its throat?

That would treif the animal most likely.

354 VioletTiger  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 10:35:59pm

re: #346 Dark_Falcon

Its name is LA Conservative and it has not been cooked yet. Even though clicking the nic shows the user to be blocked, he is still posting. I think Charles may have been hacked. Either that or this troll has found some kind of backdoor. Either way, I recommend that everyone go back there and downding him.


An Undead Troll...
We need a Silver Bullet!

355 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 10:36:08pm

re: #339 Kosh's Shadow

Does it chew its cud and have cloven hooves?
Or does it have fins and scales?

I wasn't aware that we were eating the trolls. Bugs are most assuredly not kosher - and yet, there is no prohibition against a fly swatter...

356 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 10:37:30pm

re: #355 LudwigVanQuixote

I wasn't aware that we were eating the trolls. Bugs are most assuredly not kosher - and yet, there is no prohibition against a fly swatter...

Yeah, they get barbecued. Hence the call for side dish orders each time one goes down.

357 sngnsgt  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 10:38:56pm

re: #346 Dark_Falcon

Down-ding-done.

358 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 10:39:33pm

re: #352 SanFranciscoZionist

No, you can't stun the animal before cutting, IIUC.

Then, its probably best not to use kosher slaughter measures with trolls, since our current ritual requires them getting hit in the head by the ban stick.

359 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 10:39:47pm

re: #357 sngnsgt

Down-ding-done.

I just feel foolish down-dinging him. He's DEAD.

360 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 10:40:09pm

re: #357 sngnsgt

Down-ding-done.

Thank you.

361 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 10:40:18pm

re: #358 Dark_Falcon

Then, its probably best not to use kosher slaughter measures with trolls, since our current ritual requires them getting hit in the head by the ban stick.

Ya know, just keep some Hebrew Nationals on hand, and I think we'll all be OK.

362 VioletTiger  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 10:40:42pm

It's still posting! It doesn't know it's dead.


I see dead posters!

363 sngnsgt  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 10:41:54pm

re: #359 SanFranciscoZionist

Putt-putt for the fun of it... ;-)

364 freetoken  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 10:42:37pm

re: #348 LudwigVanQuixote

LVQ - this is a highly technical subject, one which most people will not be prepared to delve into. And of course, this is also why the "skeptics" latch onto these things, as they know that there will be few people in the audience who will have the knowledge to correct them.

Your specialty of nonlinear system dynamics itself has a bit of a personality disorder - mathematics? physics? engineering? Compared to everyday subjects with which most people deal it is very esoteric.

In my opinion (and that is all it is), until someone is comfortable with the idea of "equilibrium" and what that means in any given physical setting, that person won't have a good feel for what is meant by a "tipping point" or any other highly abstract subject related to your area.

This is one of the root problems with the Culture Wars... there are bridges to be crossed that may never be... different people are living (practically, in daily life) in different worlds. Your world is one of Academia, and even a pretty heady corner of that world to boot.

This is not to imply that I don't appreciate the effort you put forward here to defend your (and the consensus) conclusions about AGW.

365 realwest  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 10:44:09pm

re: #359 SanFranciscoZionist

I just feel foolish down-dinging him. He's DEAD.


I know how you feel, but I want to make sure he STAYS DEAD!

366 realwest  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 10:44:52pm

re: #360 Dark_Falcon
Down-ding-done and reported to Charles.

367 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 10:44:57pm

re: #356 SanFranciscoZionist

Yeah, they get barbecued. Hence the call for side dish orders each time one goes down.

Well, how do you know the barbeque wasn't burning as in one of the four modes?

368 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 10:45:00pm

re: #365 realwest

I know how you feel, but I want to make sure he STAYS DEAD!

You're the man who knows his way around weaponry. Pump some silver bullets into that thing!

369 realwest  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 10:46:37pm

re: #362 VioletTiger

It's still posting! It doesn't know it's dead.


I see dead posters!

WHERE???!!

370 realwest  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 10:47:22pm

re: #368 Dark_Falcon
What, a double head-tap won't do?!?

371 VioletTiger  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 10:47:35pm

re: #369 realwest

WHERE???!!


Downstairs.
It's Dead but it keeps posting.

372 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 10:48:18pm

re: #367 LudwigVanQuixote

Well, how do you know the barbeque wasn't burning as in one of the four modes?

Not familiar with that. Can I learn a little?

373 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 10:48:51pm

re: #371 VioletTiger

Downstairs.
It's Dead but it keeps posting.

It doesn't know it's dead...

374 realwest  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 10:49:07pm

BBIAM (reloading as I run downstairs!)

375 VioletTiger  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 10:49:45pm

re: #373 SanFranciscoZionist

It doesn't know it's dead...

I'm going to tell it to click it's nic.
Cue spooky music.

376 sngnsgt  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 10:50:11pm

re: #371 VioletTiger

It's probably a sockpuppet...

377 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 10:50:17pm

re: #374 realwest

BBIAM (reloading as I run downstairs!)

Make it quick! Two more trolls just showed out. We have a troll outbreak!

378 sngnsgt  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 10:51:18pm

re: #377 Dark_Falcon

Downstairs?

379 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 10:58:08pm

re: #364 freetoken

LVQ - this is a highly technical subject, one which most people will not be prepared to delve into. And of course, this is also why the "skeptics" latch onto these things, as they know that there will be few people in the audience who will have the knowledge to correct them.

Your specialty of nonlinear system dynamics itself has a bit of a personality disorder - mathematics? physics? engineering? Compared to everyday subjects with which most people deal it is very esoteric.

In my opinion (and that is all it is), until someone is comfortable with the idea of "equilibrium" and what that means in any given physical setting, that person won't have a good feel for what is meant by a "tipping point" or any other highly abstract subject related to your area.

This is one of the root problems with the Culture Wars... there are bridges to be crossed that may never be... different people are living (practically, in daily life) in different worlds. Your world is one of Academia, and even a pretty heady corner of that world to boot.

This is not to imply that I don't appreciate the effort you put forward here to defend your (and the consensus) conclusions about AGW.

That is a fantastic essay. Please let me respond to some of your points.

Chaos is a multidisciplinary field. I come at it from the direction of mathematics and physics, and in particular, I study the physics of fluids (right now). I used to do string theory.

What I mean by this is that there is a pure math discussion to be had about chaos, there is a direct physics application of that mathematics (this is where I live) and then there are direct applications of the ideas to engineering, biology, biophysics, geology, climatology, meteorology and medicine as well.

Now

Equilibrium:

The most basic case of equilibrium is static equilibrium. As the word itself suggests, things are in balance. This means that all forces (or driving factors) on a system are in balance and the system just sits there without changing. For example, a coin just sits on a table. Or, thermal equilibrium, imagine you put a cup of coffee down and it eventually cools to room temperature. Or imagine an old fashioned scale in balance.

Now the climate is what we call dynamic equilibrium. Dynamic equilibrium means that the system evolves, but always evolves within fixed boundaries, or it means that the inputs are balanced by the responses. Imagine that you are heating a pot of water at exactly the rate it is cooling, or a pendulum is a good example of a steady state.

So the idea relative to climate change actually comprises these two examples. On the one hand, heating and cooling is in some sort of balance that we are altering, and on the other, even though there are whatever changes in the climate cycles, we are changing the boundaries of those cycles.

380 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 11:01:41pm

re: #364 freetoken

I also should note, that you are one of the more educated and scientifically literate lizards. Not trying to blow sunshine, rather just stating a fact.

So, if you need the notion of equilibrium - as it applies to this case clarified - what is the chutzpah of those who know vastly less than you, who claim that tipping points are bunk, when they certainly don't know the first thing about it?

381 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 11:04:01pm

re: #377 Dark_Falcon

Which thread is troll infested?

382 freetoken  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 11:05:36pm

re: #380 LudwigVanQuixote


Thank you for the complement, but I have been studying some sort of technical subject (both formally in schools and independently) for nearly all my life. Most people have not done so.

Therein is your challenge.

In order to reach people who have little technical background is a monumental task. And it will require much patience and grace.

It is one of my beliefs that people, nearly all, are indeed capable of understanding this stuff. However, few want to or have the time even if they desire more study.

Keep up the good work.

383 realwest  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 11:06:34pm

re: #377 Dark_Falcon
Two more?! Well I already shot up Muddy Tree or whatever the hell his name was.
I don't know who else - I already shot - double tap, of course, LA Conservative and Muddy Wood - who's left?!

384 realwest  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 11:09:48pm

Well I gotta get some sleep - any trolls left DF will have to dispatch them I reckon.
Though it is a mystery how LA Conservative can be banned by Charles and still be posting!

Anywaym y'all I gotta get to bed NOW. Hope you all have a great evening/early morning and that I get the chance to see you all down the road.

Good night, all.

385 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 11:09:57pm

re: #383 realwest

Two more?! Well I already shot up Muddy Tree or whatever the hell his name was.
I don't know who else - I already shot - double tap, of course, LA Conservative and Muddy Wood - who's left?!

He calls himself "El fantasma de General Pinochet". He's mostly provideing support. Muddywood and LA Conservative are the main attack force tonight.

386 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 11:10:12pm

re: #384 realwest

Well I gotta get some sleep - any trolls left DF will have to dispatch them I reckon.
Though it is a mystery how LA Conservative can be banned by Charles and still be posting!

Anywaym y'all I gotta get to bed NOW. Hope you all have a great evening/early morning and that I get the chance to see you all down the road.

Good night, all.

Goodnight, RW.

387 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 11:10:27pm

re: #381 LudwigVanQuixote

Which thread is troll infested?

The previous one.

388 itellu3times  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 11:11:53pm

re: #348 LudwigVanQuixote

OT,

But I would like people upstairs to see this. One of the AGW "skeptics" was arguing that the notion of a tipping point is of necessity, alarmist hogwash.

Here is a good paper about why we think there is one and a review of ideas about where they might be.

PDF warning

[Link: www.sussex.ac.uk...]

Yes, tipping point theories are suspect, and this article is written by crackpots, making up terms as it goes.

"Hockey stick" theories are very 1970s. We're way past the expiration date of every one of those theories now, credibility is lost. Is it possible for such a thing to exist, nonetheless? Maaaybe. Then again, maybe not.

389 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 11:12:19pm

re: #381 LudwigVanQuixote

Which thread is troll infested?

The last one upstairs. The Glenn Beck one.

The trolls are not really acting out that badly, it's just hilarious that the banned one is still posting, and totally oblivious to his recent demise.

390 VioletTiger  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 11:14:31pm

re: #389 SanFranciscoZionist

The last one upstairs. The Glenn Beck one.

The trolls are not really acting out that badly, it's just hilarious that the banned one is still posting, and totally oblivious to his recent demise.

It might be dead now.

391 Last Mohican  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 11:14:53pm

re: #359 SanFranciscoZionist

I just feel foolish down-dinging him. He's DEAD.

I think if you down-ding an undead troll, it just makes it stronger.

I'm not sure, though. I'll have to go check my Monster Manual.

392 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 11:15:08pm

re: #388 itellu3times

Yes, tipping point theories are suspect, and this article is written by crackpots, making up terms as it goes.

Are you joshing me?

"Hockey stick" theories are very 1970s. We're way past the expiration date of every one of those theories now, credibility is lost. Is it possible for such a thing to exist, nonetheless? Maaaybe. Then again, maybe not.

Please don't kid like that. I get enough people who mean it.

393 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 11:15:08pm

re: #349 SanFranciscoZionist

We've gone a couple of rounds on this before. I would argue that they do chew their cud--the same old arguments over and over and over--and I have an open mind about the cloven hooves. We could check.

The question is, are we schechting the trolls? Is Stinky Jewish? Beating a troll to death is NOT kosher slaughter.

good point! Alas, the overnight thread is up and that is my cue to say:

weet dreams all!

394 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 11:15:38pm

re: #382 freetoken

Thank you for the complement, but I have been studying some sort of technical subject (both formally in schools and independently) for nearly all my life. Most people have not done so.

Therein is your challenge.

In order to reach people who have little technical background is a monumental task. And it will require much patience and grace.

It is one of my beliefs that people, nearly all, are indeed capable of understanding this stuff. However, few want to or have the time even if they desire more study.

Keep up the good work.

Thanks!

395 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 11:19:37pm

re: #372 SanFranciscoZionist

Not familiar with that. Can I learn a little?

So there are four modes of execution under Jewish law.

They are:

Stoning (not the same as arabs, they push off a building and then drop a big rock on you)
Strangulation/Hanging
Decapitation (with a sword)
Burning (molten lead poured down throat)

Now it should be noted that a court that executed twice in a decade was considered a court of murderes and disbanded and that the rules of evidence were such that it was nearly impossible to impose these penalties. They were on the books, but the Rabbis hated to use them.

It should also be noted that a Jewish court has not executed anyone in over 2000 years.

396 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 11:22:41pm

re: #382 freetoken

Thank you for the complement, but I have been studying some sort of technical subject (both formally in schools and independently) for nearly all my life. Most people have not done so.

Therein is your challenge.

In order to reach people who have little technical background is a monumental task. And it will require much patience and grace.

It is one of my beliefs that people, nearly all, are indeed capable of understanding this stuff. However, few want to or have the time even if they desire more study.

Keep up the good work.

Wow, I actually think I understood most of what both of you said. The key, IIRC is to reduce the subject to the basic parts. If possible, a basic logical argument. I don't know if the "average" high school graduate can grasp even that, but anyone with basic understanding of philosophy should be able to graps it.

When it comes to AGW, the smoking gun for me is still the vast amounts of money involved as well as the opportunity created to really change the fundamentals of our economy. I think that troubles me more than the science I don't understand.

I smell a rat, I am beginning to think it is more in bad accounting than bad science.

397 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 11:24:52pm

Now, I'm really leaving.

nytol!

398 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 11:28:06pm

re: #395 LudwigVanQuixote

So there are four modes of execution under Jewish law.

They are:

Stoning (not the same as arabs, they push off a building and then drop a big rock on you)
Strangulation/Hanging
Decapitation (with a sword)
Burning (molten lead poured down throat)

Now it should be noted that a court that executed twice in a decade was considered a court of murderes and disbanded and that the rules of evidence were such that it was nearly impossible to impose these penalties. They were on the books, but the Rabbis hated to use them.

It should also be noted that a Jewish court has not executed anyone in over 2000 years.

Oh, executions! I think I've heard those categories, I was trying to link it with kashrut. It's getting late.

With this last one, though, what I think we had was a dybbuk.

399 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 11:29:09pm

re: #396 ggt

Wow, I actually think I understood most of what both of you said. The key, IIRC is to reduce the subject to the basic parts. If possible, a basic logical argument. I don't know if the "average" high school graduate can grasp even that, but anyone with basic understanding of philosophy should be able to graps it.

When it comes to AGW, the smoking gun for me is still the vast amounts of money involved as well as the opportunity created to really change the fundamentals of our economy. I think that troubles me more than the science I don't understand.

I smell a rat, I am beginning to think it is more in bad accounting than bad science.

Keep looking. The accounting is simple. However much you think fixing it will cost is less than the cost of not fixing it.

400 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 11:29:39pm

OK, I have a handout to format up for work. I MUST get off LGF.

Sweet dreams, and dead trolls, all.

401 VioletTiger  Mon, Aug 24, 2009 11:31:04pm

re: #400 SanFranciscoZionist

OK, I have a handout to format up for work. I MUST get off LGF.

Sweet dreams, and dead trolls, all.


G'nite.
I'm out too.

402 shortshrift  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 12:04:35am

The source site is a not always reliable, but there is a growing war in Yemen...
So much for the open hand to Iran. Is there anything left of Obama's foreign policy?

403 zombie  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 4:36:14am

re: #208 Killgore Trout

A few comments down on that thread...

Zombietime is one of the web sites that SInclair state is a puppet of Obama. He uses it to manipulate information


?


re: #216 Mich-again

That will give Zombie a big laugh I'm sure.


re: #217 iceweasel

WTF? I hadn't even seen that. I'm sure it would be a surprise to Zombie to discover he/she is some kind of Obama puppet!

If you keep reading the thread, they go on about me even more. According to them, I'm an Obama sockpuppet AND I post at freerepublic.

Yeah, that sounds like me all over.

/

It's kinda creepy to think that people who don't know the first thing about me are spinning weird tales about me.

404 SecondComing  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 6:26:35am

I will be buying a family pack in a week or two.

405 SecondComing  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 7:11:54am

re: #176 ted

What I like about Snow Leopard are the automatic printer driver updates.

I like this:

Smaller footprint.Snow Leopard takes up less than half the disk space of the previous version, freeing about 7GB for you — enough for about 1,750 more songs3 or a few thousand more photos.
406 dhg4  Tue, Aug 25, 2009 11:03:53pm

re: #335 realwest

Hi Charles - I'm sorry to see that he did that. But Carl also has GoV AND Atlas Shrugs on his blogroll. As much as I don't understand his linking to GoV, I'm even more perplexed that he has them on his blog roll.
Moreover, iirc, Carl actually started -as did several other bloggers - here at LGF.
Nice way for him to treat someone who's always treated him with respect.

Carl did not start at LGF. For many years he was a contributor to Taranto's BotWT and had his own e-mail list.

If Carl's behavior was wrong why didn't someone politely tell him to limit his links instead waiting until he's banned to knock him?

Carl also happens to run one of the more important pro-Israel blogs around, I think that this banning diminishes LGF and its community.

407 Charles Johnson  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 9:43:03pm

re: #406 dhg4

Carl did not start at LGF. For many years he was a contributor to Taranto's BotWT and had his own e-mail list.

If Carl's behavior was wrong why didn't someone politely tell him to limit his links instead waiting until he's banned to knock him?

Carl also happens to run one of the more important pro-Israel blogs around, I think that this banning diminishes LGF and its community.

I'm absolutely not going to allow LGF to be used to promote anyone who links to Gates of Vienna, and I'm shocked that you would defend this.

408 dhg4  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 8:43:45am

re: #407 Charles

I'm absolutely not going to allow LGF to be used to promote anyone who links to Gates of Vienna, and I'm shocked that you would defend this.

Charles,

I was mostly addressing what Real West wrote and the characterization of his use of Linkviewer as "spamming." Yes he promoted himself a lot, but he got plenty of updings and clicks so the readership wasn't complaining. If there were guidelines about using Linkviewer, I could understand that characterization, but I don't recall that such activity was prohibited. If it was wrong, he should have been informed.

Nor did I find his behavior "underhanded" as you put it. It was out of respect for you he didn't put his post linking to GoV in Linkviewer.

I realize that his linking to GoV violated your standards and you acted accordingly. That's your right. But I don't think that accusing him of spamming or being underhanded is fair.

In deference to you, I've removed GoV, Pamela and Robert Spencer from my blogroll. Not everyone who is a member of your community necessarily has done so. (Of those, it was easiest to remove Pamela as I thought she was remarkably ungracious to you, since you helped build her profile.)

Charles, I owe you more than I could repay. It's not only that you led the way with pro-Israel blogging but your links have provided a lot of my traffic. Based on your direct links and Linkviewer, roughly 10% of all those who visited Soccer Dad came from LGF.

I remember the thrill of getting my first link from you and watch the traffic spike for the day to 1800 some 3 1/2 years ago. I remember how generous you were in using links that I sent you especially last year and thrill I had when you added me to your blogroll. You've done a lot for me and I appreciate it.

However, I disagree with some of your decisions to ban people. You used Linkviewer to build a formidable blogging community and it seems that slowly but surely you are making membership so exclusive that it is a fraction of what it once was.

409 Charles Johnson  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 9:49:47pm

I think it's sad that you don't understand the seriousness of choosing to link to sites like Gates of Vienna. That's your decision to make -- if you want to minimize it and believe it's just a petty personal squabble, it's your choice.

But the bottom line is simple: I will not allow LGF to be used to promote that site, or any of the sites that are allied with it. That's my choice, and it's not going to change. I will have nothing to do with people who promote fascist creeps.


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