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An open thread with music by Tim O’Brien and Jerry Douglas — Hendrix, bluegrass-style.
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turn Tue, Aug 25, 2009 2:01:35pm |
Hendrix bluegrass style? This ought to be interesting.
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sattv4u2 Tue, Aug 25, 2009 2:01:53pm |
Moving upstairs didn't help,,, I STLL have my massive headache from the late afternoon conference call.
gggrrr
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Kragar Tue, Aug 25, 2009 2:02:01pm |
Here we are in a room full of strangers...
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DEZes Tue, Aug 25, 2009 2:02:57pm |
Someone left the door open, so I came on in. ;)
Hello Lizards.
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Killian Bundy Tue, Aug 25, 2009 2:03:41pm |
U.N. Agency Calls for Teaching Children 5-to-8 Years of Age about Masturbation
For those aged 5 to 8, some key concepts to be discussed are:
-- “Touching and rubbing one’s genitals is called masturbation” and that “girls and boys have private body parts that can feel pleasurable when touched by oneself.”
-- That “people receive messages about sex, gender, and sexuality from their cultures and religions.”
-- That “all people regardless of their health status, religion, origin, race or sexual status can raise a child and give it the love it deserves.”
-- “Gender inequality,” “examples of gender stereotypes,” and “gender-based violence.”
-- Description of fertilization, conception, pregnancy, and delivery.
/calling all kindergartners
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karmic_inquisitor Tue, Aug 25, 2009 2:04:27pm |
missed the new thread ...
BTW - Last night I finished reading the entire redacted CIA Inspector General report on Enhanced Interrogation Techniques. Here are my conclusions -
1) Waterboarding works. Remarkably well. And the intelligence it got out of the 3 very well trained and stubborn AQ leaders who experienced it led to a cascade of captures and further intelligence that foiled imminent terrorist attacks that were being mounted in the US.
The whole "imminent threat scenarios are hypothetical" counter argument to waterboarding just vanished. There were imminent threats and they were defeated due to the use of waterboarding. in the case of KSM, the report explicitly states that all other techniques had yielded low quality intel or simple disinformation.
2) The CIA had a well managed program of administering EITs complete with training and certification and then forms that were used to record things like "abdominal slap" and "facial slap" and "walling". That may seem creepy to some, but it creates a non-emotional environment of control and professionalism. The few instances of where the law was violated seem to stem from 2 untrained individuals who appeared to have been posing as "foreign" (eg Arab) intelligence officers.
The training forms specifically mention "SERE" which is a Navy training facility here in San Diego County (in the eastern mountains) where waterboarding is applied to students as the learn Survival Escape Resistance and Evasion. That is a very professional program with many graduates who will tell you point blank "Waterboarding isn't torture".
3) Great care was taken to ensure that the health and welfare of the EIT'd detainees was attended to.
This is a stark contrast to the crap that went on in Abu Grahib where untrained National Guardsmen took liberties with detainees that rivalled the Stanford Prison Experiment.
Obama has unleashed a witch hunt to placate the left and it will bite him in the ass big time. He deserves it.
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jcm Tue, Aug 25, 2009 2:04:51pm |
NorCal school still closed after pipe bomb attack
SAN MATEO, Calif. — A teacher being hailed as a hero said Tuesday he had no time to think when he encountered a 17-year-old boy who detonated two pipe bombs at a Northern California high school while armed with a chain saw, sword and explosives.Teacher Kennet Santana, 35, is one of a number of Hillsdale High School staffers who is credited with subduing the bombing suspect. He told The Associated Press he was walking cautiously toward the disruption on Monday morning when he found himself face to face with the boy.
"He had a black tactical vest on with lots of pockets," Santana said by phone Tuesday. "We were maybe six feet away from each other at this point, we're talking seconds, there was not time for a lot of thinking."
The explosions caused neither serious damage nor injury, but the 1,270-student school was evacuated and Santana and the other staff members were credited with stopping a situation that could have played out much more tragically.
"The teachers acted heroically and risked their own lives," said San Mateo police Lt. Mike Brunicardi. "(They) were not taking into consideration their personal safety, they were taking the greater good into mind to save 1,270 students and about 100 school staff members."
"The potential for this incident — 10 pipe bombs, a 2-foot sword and a chain saw — indicate this could have been catastrophic" Brunicardi said.
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DEZes Tue, Aug 25, 2009 2:04:53pm |
re: #8 Killian Bundy
WTF?
We have some sick puppies in the wrong places.
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jcm Tue, Aug 25, 2009 2:05:24pm |
re: #8 Killian Bundy
U.N. Agency Calls for Teaching Children 5-to-8 Years of Age about Masturbation
/calling all kindergartners
Pee Wee Herman volunteers to teach!
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eschew_obfuscation Tue, Aug 25, 2009 2:05:44pm |
re: #8 Killian Bundy
U.N. Agency Calls for Teaching Children 5-to-8 Years of Age about Masturbation
/calling all kindergartners
Why do I have the feeling that "Gender-based Violence" includes consensual sex with the opposite gender.
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wrenchwench Tue, Aug 25, 2009 2:06:37pm |
Hendrix, bluegrass-style.
Is he rolling in his grave, or tapping his toes?
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Ward Cleaver Tue, Aug 25, 2009 2:06:57pm |
re: #8 Killian Bundy
U.N. Agency Calls for Teaching Children 5-to-8 Years of Age about Masturbation
/calling all kindergartners
A new job for UN Peacekeepers - as Masturbation Mentors.
/little girl, you're doing it wrong - here, let me show you
/spit!
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callahan23 Tue, Aug 25, 2009 2:07:15pm |
Question:
Did anyone notice that those two guitars had each only four strings? Why is that?
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Tue, Aug 25, 2009 2:07:19pm |
I've gotten some questions about how non-linear dynamics and chaos fits in with climate modeling. This is an early, technical paper on the subject, but it addresses many things for someone not specifically in the field of non-linear dynamics and chaos.
PDF warning.
[Link: ams.allenpress.com...]
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Honorary Yooper Tue, Aug 25, 2009 2:07:48pm |
re: #19 buzzsawmonkey
It's a treat to beat your meat in the pedagogic mud.
How can you have any pudding if you don't beat your meat?
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sattv4u2 Tue, Aug 25, 2009 2:08:11pm |
re: #20 callahan23
Question:
Did anyone notice that those two guitars had each only four strings? Why is that?
budget cuts
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Tue, Aug 25, 2009 2:08:29pm |
re: #19 buzzsawmonkey
It's a treat to beat your meat in the pedagogic mud.
Great, I wanna talk non-linear dynamics, and instead find a thread with masturbation poetry :)
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Killian Bundy Tue, Aug 25, 2009 2:08:35pm |
re: #11 DEZes
WTF?
We have some sick puppies in the wrong places.
Ya think?
The authors of the report consulted the Sexuality Information and Education Council of the United States (SIECUS) in building their curriculum framework. One of the two authors, Nanette Ecker, is a former SIECUS employee.
Like the UNFPA, SIECUS advocates for ensuring that “every person has the right and access to sexual and reproductive health, so that humanity and the natural environment can exist in balance and fewer people live in poverty,” according to the organization Web site. Their stated concern is the “depletion of natural resources” – which is reduced through access to abortions.
The founding director of the organization, Mary S. Calderone, was a director of Planned Parenthood. SIECUS currently belongs to the National Coalition to Support Sexuality Education, alongside groups like NARAL -- The National Abortion and Reproductive Rights Action League, The Human Rights Campaign, and the National Council of La Raza.
/hmmm, wonder who these people vote for?
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wrenchwench Tue, Aug 25, 2009 2:08:52pm |
re: #20 callahan23
Question:
Did anyone notice that those two guitars had each only four strings? Why is that?
I thought that at first, but it's just hard to see the thinnest ones.
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turn Tue, Aug 25, 2009 2:09:12pm |
re: #9 karmic_inquisitor
Obama has unleashed a witch hunt to placate the left and it will bite him in the ass big time. He deserves it.
I sure hope you're right about that karmic. O is a lying sack when he says he wants to put this behind us and move forward.
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DEZes Tue, Aug 25, 2009 2:09:23pm |
re: #25 Killian Bundy
I think I am past the point of thinking it. ;)
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Kosh's Shadow Tue, Aug 25, 2009 2:10:12pm |
re: #8 Killian Bundy
U.N. Agency Calls for Teaching Children 5-to-8 Years of Age about Masturbation
/calling all kindergartners
I say if they can't figure it out for themselves...
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Danny Tue, Aug 25, 2009 2:10:35pm |
Actually, "Hey Joe" was written by folk musician Billy Roberts.
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LGoPs Tue, Aug 25, 2009 2:11:12pm |
re: #15 buzzsawmonkey
There's a line about sowing the wind and reaping the whirlwind which all politicians should study and ponder.
Unfortunately part of that whirlwind will touch all of us as well.
Leftists have monumentally bad judgement and shouldn't ever be put in charge of anything more dangerous than nerf.
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Kosh's Shadow Tue, Aug 25, 2009 2:11:29pm |
re: #24 LudwigVanQuixote
Great, I wanna talk non-linear dynamics, and instead find a thread with masturbation poetry :)
From Bored of the Rings, sung by Dildo:
I sit on the floor and pick my nose
And think of dirty things
Of deviant dwarves who suck their toes
and elves who drub their dings
That's all I remember, fortunately for everyone.
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Tue, Aug 25, 2009 2:11:31pm |
re: #29 Kosh's Shadow
I say if they can't figure it out for themselves...
Shhh... it is a secret plot of the overlords to make the kids go blind...
The plot is supported by the palm hair stylist lobby.
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Ward Cleaver Tue, Aug 25, 2009 2:11:45pm |
re: #25 Killian Bundy
/hmmm, wonder who these people vote for?
New customers for PP - first, birth control. Then, when that fails - abortions.
/cash, checks, credit cards accepted
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Tue, Aug 25, 2009 2:12:11pm |
re: #32 Kosh's Shadow
From Bored of the Rings, sung by Dildo:
I sit on the floor and pick my nose
And think of dirty things
Of deviant dwarves who suck their toes
and elves who drub their dingsThat's all I remember, fortunately for everyone.
Pity stays my hand... Pity I have no more bullets in my luger...
///
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callahan23 Tue, Aug 25, 2009 2:12:16pm |
Wow I've got the Jsingles.com advert on the upper right.
What a beauty, I am stunned ...
...
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Kosh's Shadow Tue, Aug 25, 2009 2:13:15pm |
re: #9 karmic_inquisitor
Obama has unleashed a witch hunt to placate the left and it will bite him in the ass big time. He deserves it.
Unfortunately, it will but all of us in the ass big time. Probably nuclear big time.
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karmic_inquisitor Tue, Aug 25, 2009 2:13:53pm |
re: #27 turn
Obama has unleashed a witch hunt to placate the left and it will bite him in the ass big time. He deserves it.
I sure hope you're right about that karmic. O is a lying sack when he says he wants to put this behind us and move forward.
Read the report -
Toward the end there are the psych profiles of two of the terrorists who got waterboarded. It is interesting how stubborn megalomaniacs with a cause can be. Even in the face of impossible odds. Many opeds today are trying to get Obama to do a Clinton and move to the center. Read those profiles and you'll realize that Obama probably won't. Jimmy F'n Carter II.
(Yes - I do mean to imply that Obama has some of the same emotional wiring as these AQ monsters. What people regard as his "cool" yet determination - and his dishonesty - get you to where those SOBs are.)
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yochanan Tue, Aug 25, 2009 2:15:54pm |
[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]
hey little darling stolen moments are so sweet
i guess this is why the guy had to buy a blue steel 44
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reloadingisnotahobby Tue, Aug 25, 2009 2:16:12pm |
...Kadafi to speak at the U.N. next month!!
...Makes the mind wander dun'it???
...What sort of "Accident could hap...
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LGoPs Tue, Aug 25, 2009 2:16:17pm |
re: #9 karmic_inquisitor
Obama has unleashed a witch hunt to placate the left and it will bite him in the ass big time. He deserves it.
Coolo moolo. Just hope the left understands that this game is a two way street and they better pray nothing bad happens to us cause it'll be their asses we come after next go round.
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yochanan Tue, Aug 25, 2009 2:17:09pm |
re: #18 Ward Cleaver
isn't m.j. dead already or is there a perv. replacement in the zero administration?
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karmic_inquisitor Tue, Aug 25, 2009 2:17:44pm |
Part of making people accept you is setting expectations.
If America wants to be safe in a world of "Asymmetric Threars" and still be "accepted" we should post a sign at every port of entry.
"Welcome to the United States. We are nice people. But piss us off and we might waterboard your ass."
There. Simple and effective expectations management.
Have a nice day!
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eschew_obfuscation Tue, Aug 25, 2009 2:18:46pm |
re: #44 LGoPs
Coolo moolo. Just hope the left understands that this game is a two way street and they better pray nothing bad happens to us cause it'll be their asses we come after next go round.
Oh, no... it'll be time for the 'country to shun partisan politics as usual and come together for the good of the country'... followed immediately by partisan politics.
/the left
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Dianna Tue, Aug 25, 2009 2:18:53pm |
re: #10 jcm
I've been contemplating the chainsaw with real awe. That is an extraordinarily dangerous item wielded by someone who means to do harm.
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reloadingisnotahobby Tue, Aug 25, 2009 2:19:19pm |
re: #46 callahan23
Tranquilize a female Mountian Lion and tell him it's a rug!!
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Kosh's Shadow Tue, Aug 25, 2009 2:19:22pm |
re: #47 karmic_inquisitor
Part of making people accept you is setting expectations.
If America wants to be safe in a world of "Asymmetric Threars" and still be "accepted" we should post a sign at every port of entry.
"Welcome to the United States. We are nice people. But piss us off and we might waterboard your ass."
There. Simple and effective expectations management.
Have a nice day!
Unfortunately, Obama is giving the expectation that if someone attacks us, we'll try to figure out what we did to make them attack and change so they won't want us to.
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King of the Douche, now you may bow Tue, Aug 25, 2009 2:19:25pm |
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yochanan Tue, Aug 25, 2009 2:20:19pm |
re: #43 reloadingisnotahobby
not with the zero as occupant of penn ave.
EXPECT TO SEE A TENT ON THE FRONT LAWN.
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MandyManners Tue, Aug 25, 2009 2:20:26pm |
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Killian Bundy Tue, Aug 25, 2009 2:20:31pm |
re: #49 Dianna
I've been contemplating the chainsaw with real awe. That is an extraordinarily dangerous item wielded by someone who means to do harm.
/any Doom player can tell you that
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CyanSnowHawk Tue, Aug 25, 2009 2:20:38pm |
re: #24 LudwigVanQuixote
Great, I wanna talk non-linear dynamics, and instead find a thread with masturbation poetry :)
Sometimes the agenda sets you.
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King of the Douche, now you may bow Tue, Aug 25, 2009 2:20:57pm |
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karmic_inquisitor Tue, Aug 25, 2009 2:21:36pm |
Dick Cheney is more concise -
[Link: www.weeklystandard.com...]
The documents released Monday clearly demonstrate that the individuals subjected to Enhanced Interrogation Techniques provided the bulk of intelligence we gained about al Qaeda. This intelligence saved lives and prevented terrorist attacks. These detainees also, according to the documents, played a role in nearly every capture of al Qaeda members and associates since 2002. The activities of the CIA in carrying out the policies of the Bush Administration were directly responsible for defeating all efforts by al Qaeda to launch further mass casualty attacks against the United States. The people involved deserve our gratitude. They do not deserve to be the targets of political investigations or prosecutions. President Obama’s decision to allow the Justice Department to investigate and possibly prosecute CIA personnel, and his decision to remove authority for interrogation from the CIA to the White House, serves as a reminder, if any were needed, of why so many Americans have doubts about this Administration’s ability to be responsible for our nation’s security.
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callahan23 Tue, Aug 25, 2009 2:21:47pm |
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reloadingisnotahobby Tue, Aug 25, 2009 2:21:56pm |
re: #54 yochanan
NewJersey told him he CANNOT stay on a Lybian estate there!!
Right on N.J.!!
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Tue, Aug 25, 2009 2:22:39pm |
re: #41 buzzsawmonkey
Now you've asked for it:
I got nasty hobbits
They're on a quest with me
Gotta throw away the Ring
To keep Middle-Earth free
Being chased by riders sent by
Mordor's evil lord
Only friend I really trust is
This old Elvish sword
C'mon now, fellows! Bilbo wrote a song to sing
Maybe that's why they call us the
Fellowship of the Ring--if the Rolling Stones had written "Lord of the Rings"
OK Ya wanna nerd out... OK... you are going to get served.
I was around when Numenor had its moment of doubt and pain
Made damn sure Illuvatar washed his hands and sealed their fate.
Pleased to meet you hope you guess my name.
But what's troubling you is the nature of my game...
I lurked in Orthanc, had a general's rank
when the Dagor raged andd the bodies stank!
Pleased to meet you hope you guess my name.
So let me please introduce myself, I'm a Maia of wealth and taste...
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sattv4u2 Tue, Aug 25, 2009 2:22:53pm |
re: #61 reloadingisnotahobby
NewJersey told him he CANNOT stay on a Lybian estate there!!
Right on N.J.!!
??!?!?!!?
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eschew_obfuscation Tue, Aug 25, 2009 2:23:52pm |
re: #59 karmic_inquisitor
Dick Cheney is more concise -
[Link: www.weeklystandard.com...]
I love Cheney! Good ol' boy from Nebraska...
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Tue, Aug 25, 2009 2:24:00pm |
re: #62 LudwigVanQuixote
PIMF!
OK Ya wanna nerd out... OK... you are going to get served.
I was around when Numenor had its moment of doubt and pain
Made damn sure Illuvatar washed his hands and sealed their fate.
Pleased to meet you hope you guess my name.
But what's troubling you is the nature of my game...
I lurked in Orthanc, had a general's rank
when the Dagor raged andd the bodies stank!
Pleased to meet you hope you guess my name.
So let me please introduce myself, I'm a Maia of wealth and taste...
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solomonpanting Tue, Aug 25, 2009 2:24:24pm |
re: #12 sattv4u2
Wonder if Hendrix ever played a mandolin!
Years ago I would see in concert a SF-based newgrass rock group who played one their originals Amanda Lynn, (I believe that's how it was spelled.) The group was Back in the Saddle.
There ain't no other love
But the love of Amanda Lynn.
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reloadingisnotahobby Tue, Aug 25, 2009 2:24:24pm |
re: #63 sattv4u2
Just passing along what was on the radio...Checked Drudge
...Nothing yet!
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LGoPs Tue, Aug 25, 2009 2:24:43pm |
re: #48 eschew_obfuscation
Oh, no... it'll be time for the 'country to shun partisan politics as usual and come together for the good of the country'... followed immediately by partisan politics.
/the left
And repeated endlessly by the mainstream fucking media...
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spinmore Tue, Aug 25, 2009 2:27:12pm |
re: #64 eschew_obfuscation
I thought he was from Wyoming (?)
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Killgore Trout Tue, Aug 25, 2009 2:27:26pm |
The Fed is now quietly taking money out of the system
Guess what? The Federal Reserve has not only stopped depositing copious amounts of liquidity into the economy -- it now appears to be in the process of making a sizable withdrawal.
A close look at quantitative measures of monetary policy reveals a sudden change in trend. After growing at unprecedented rates for well over a year, these aggregates stopped rising several months ago and have since declined, according to data provided by the Federal Reserve Bank of St. Louis.
I assume this means that the worst is over and the Fed is anticipating economic growth and the inflation that goes along with it.
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MandyManners Tue, Aug 25, 2009 2:27:55pm |
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reloadingisnotahobby Tue, Aug 25, 2009 2:28:04pm |
re: #71 spinmore
Nebraska born!
Wyoming resident!!
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Dianna Tue, Aug 25, 2009 2:28:14pm |
re: #69 buzzsawmonkey
I'm laughing, but I'm weeping, too.
Ow! Ow!
I have heard the mermaids singing, each to each.
I do not think that they will sing for me.
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turn Tue, Aug 25, 2009 2:28:26pm |
re: #39 karmic_inquisitor
Read the report -
Toward the end there are the psych profiles of two of the terrorists who got waterboarded. It is interesting how stubborn megalomaniacs with a cause can be. Even in the face of impossible odds. Many opeds today are trying to get Obama to do a Clinton and move to the center. Read those profiles and you'll realize that Obama probably won't. Jimmy F'n Carter II.
(Yes - I do mean to imply that Obama has some of the same emotional wiring as these AQ monsters. What people regard as his "cool" yet determination - and his dishonesty - get you to where those SOBs are.)
Ok, I'll try and google a link and read it for myself. The CIA was very unfair to Bush with all the leaked shit, it would be nice to see this thing backfire on Holder and O and have CIA turn on them. It will be interesting to read those profiles, thanks.
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LGoPs Tue, Aug 25, 2009 2:28:36pm |
re: #59 karmic_inquisitor
Dick Cheney is more concise -
[Link: www.weeklystandard.com...]
God bless Dick Cheney. We need clear speaking, clear thinking adults like him. Not the children currently in charge.
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spinmore Tue, Aug 25, 2009 2:28:48pm |
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reloadingisnotahobby Tue, Aug 25, 2009 2:28:56pm |
re: #74 MandyManners
What's the bidding "UP" to now??
Sheeesh!
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Bagua Tue, Aug 25, 2009 2:29:01pm |
re: #73 buzzsawmonkey
No, this comes in under one of the exceptions to the heresy rule.
There be exceptions?
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yochanan Tue, Aug 25, 2009 2:29:04pm |
re: #41 buzzsawmonkey
Now you've asked for it:
I got nasty hobbits
They're on a quest with me
Gotta throw away the Ring
To keep Middle-Earth free
Being chased by riders sent by
Mordor's evil lord
Only friend I really trust is
This old Elvish sword
C'mon now, fellows! Bilbo wrote a song to sing
Maybe that's why they call us the
Fellowship of the Ring--if the Rolling Stones had written "Lord of the Rings"
PLEASED TO MEET YOU WANT TO GUESS MY NAME
[Link: www.lib-art.com...]
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Kragar Tue, Aug 25, 2009 2:29:19pm |
re: #66 solomonpanting
Years ago I would see in concert a SF-based newgrass rock group who played one their originals Amanda Lynn, (I believe that's how it was spelled.) The group was Back in the Saddle.
There ain't no other love
But the love of Amanda Lynn.
She related to Ken Lee?
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LGoPs Tue, Aug 25, 2009 2:31:10pm |
re: #39 karmic_inquisitor
Read the report -
Toward the end there are the psych profiles of two of the terrorists who got waterboarded. It is interesting how stubborn megalomaniacs with a cause can be. Even in the face of impossible odds. Many opeds today are trying to get Obama to do a Clinton and move to the center. Read those profiles and you'll realize that Obama probably won't. Jimmy F'n Carter II.
(Yes - I do mean to imply that Obama has some of the same emotional wiring as these AQ monsters. What people regard as his "cool" yet determination - and his dishonesty - get you to where those SOBs are.)
The ends justify the means. One of the scariest philosophies, ever.
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Tue, Aug 25, 2009 2:31:12pm |
re: #69 buzzsawmonkey
OK that is bloody brilliant...
You have beautifully upped the ante to using actual poetry that we were all subjected to in high school.
The best I have at the moment is:
Leprosy,
I'm not half the man I used to be,
Bits gone if I must pee
Oh I believe in leprosy.
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Bobblehead Tue, Aug 25, 2009 2:31:30pm |
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BatGuano Tue, Aug 25, 2009 2:32:12pm |
re: #84 DEZes
I dropped out of the bidding at $4,602,099.00: I was so close!
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OldLineTexan Tue, Aug 25, 2009 2:32:57pm |
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DEZes Tue, Aug 25, 2009 2:33:07pm |
re: #90 BatGuano
I dropped out of the bidding at $4,602,099.00: I was so close!
Someone is dieing to take that spot.
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eschew_obfuscation Tue, Aug 25, 2009 2:33:11pm |
re: #71 spinmore
I thought he was from Wyoming (?)
Born in Lincoln, Nebraska, moved to Casper, Wyoming where he was raised.
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Kosh's Shadow Tue, Aug 25, 2009 2:33:16pm |
Mandolins and Lord of the Rings reminded me of this song; here's a great cover by Heart.
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jcm Tue, Aug 25, 2009 2:33:18pm |
re: #49 Dianna
I've been contemplating the chainsaw with real awe. That is an extraordinarily dangerous item wielded by someone who means to do harm.
Chainsaw would fall in the 21 foot rule category.
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sattv4u2 Tue, Aug 25, 2009 2:33:38pm |
re: #88 Bobblehead
I would make a joke about the Kennedys but, alas, it would be in bad taste.
What would, the joke, or the Kennedys' ?
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Dianna Tue, Aug 25, 2009 2:33:47pm |
re: #87 LudwigVanQuixote
"Subjected to"?!
(Collapses, weeping, before the monitor).
The high points of my school days were the times when we were exposed to actual poetry and good literature.
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MandyManners Tue, Aug 25, 2009 2:34:19pm |
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Dianna Tue, Aug 25, 2009 2:34:32pm |
re: #92 OldLineTexan
But he had a SWORD! They should be calling him a swordsman!
/
Yeah, right. Pot-metal, I'll bet.
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MandyManners Tue, Aug 25, 2009 2:34:43pm |
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Bobblehead Tue, Aug 25, 2009 2:35:09pm |
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Kragar Tue, Aug 25, 2009 2:35:17pm |
re: #95 Kosh's Shadow
Mandolins and Lord of the Rings reminded me of this song; here's a great cover by Heart.
And I know without looking it has to be the Battle of Evermore, but I'm listening to the Zepp version right now
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reloadingisnotahobby Tue, Aug 25, 2009 2:35:27pm |
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Dianna Tue, Aug 25, 2009 2:35:38pm |
re: #96 jcm
Chainsaw would fall in the 21 foot rule category.
Without question!
So should the sword, because you cannot assume that he doesn't know what he's doing.
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MandyManners Tue, Aug 25, 2009 2:35:40pm |
re: #88 Bobblehead
I would make a joke about the Kennedys but, alas, it would be in bad taste.
I admire your restraint.
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Kosh's Shadow Tue, Aug 25, 2009 2:35:49pm |
re: #100 Dianna
Yeah, right. Pot-metal, I'll bet.
I doubt it was an elven sword, forged of mithril in days of old; somehow a surviving relic of the days of middle-Earth.
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Bagua Tue, Aug 25, 2009 2:35:49pm |
re: #89 buzzsawmonkey
The hearsay rule has many exceptions. Heresy, too.
It's all so confusing, first a Hendrix cover and then T.S., all this change is disturbing!
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Tue, Aug 25, 2009 2:36:14pm |
re: #95 Kosh's Shadow
So she's buying the stairway to Mordor?
If there's a bustle in your hedgerow don't be alarmed now...
It's just a Nazgul for the one ring!
And as we wind on down that road...
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reloadingisnotahobby Tue, Aug 25, 2009 2:36:23pm |
re: #99 MandyManners
Must be a politician!!
No one in thier right mind would be that STUPID to waste the $$$
| 111 |
Kosh's Shadow Tue, Aug 25, 2009 2:36:46pm |
re: #103 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
And I know without looking it has to be the Battle of Evermore, but I'm listening to the Zepp version right now
So am I, actually, on an iPod because my work computer doesn't have sound.
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OldLineTexan Tue, Aug 25, 2009 2:37:16pm |
re: #100 Dianna
Yeah, right. Pot-metal, I'll bet.
If he had had a broken Red Ryder carbine, the word GUNMAN would be emblazoned across teh Interwebs.
Parity. I demand parity.
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MandyManners Tue, Aug 25, 2009 2:37:36pm |
re: #110 reloadingisnotahobby
Must be a politician!!
No one in thier right mind would be that STUPID to waste the $$$
Hugh Heffner has the grave next to her.
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Sharmuta Tue, Aug 25, 2009 2:37:43pm |
I love when one piece of music is translated into another style of music and sounds so fresh. For me, it speaks to the quality and strength of the composer, and ability and courage of the musicians to give it a new perspective.
Great video.
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OldLineTexan Tue, Aug 25, 2009 2:38:10pm |
re: #105 Dianna
Without question!
So should the sword, because you cannot assume that he doesn't know what he's doing.
Which is why I keep my pistol drawn.
/
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OldLineTexan Tue, Aug 25, 2009 2:39:29pm |
re: #114 Sharmuta
I love when one piece of music is translated into another style of music and sounds so fresh. For me, it speaks to the quality and strength of the composer, and ability and courage of the musicians to give it a new perspective.
Great video.
May I recommend "Pickin' on Crosby, Stills, Nash, & Young"?
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_RememberTonyC Tue, Aug 25, 2009 2:39:37pm |
So Attorney General Eric Holder plans to appoint a special prosecutor who may indict and prosecute CIA operatives who maye have treated terrorist suspects harshly. And some of President Obama's apologists claim Holder is doing this against the wishes of the President?
I don't believe a word of it. And if I am wrong and Obama is really against this, he should either tell Holder to quit it now, or let him know that if any CIA agents are convicted, he plans to pardon them immediately.
| 118 |
eschew_obfuscation Tue, Aug 25, 2009 2:39:41pm |
re: #115 OldLineTexan
Which is why I keep my pistol drawn.
/
Been to any presidential town halls lately?
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reloadingisnotahobby Tue, Aug 25, 2009 2:39:52pm |
re: #113 MandyManners
And in the work of Abbott..." Naturally"!!
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Kosh's Shadow Tue, Aug 25, 2009 2:40:03pm |
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Danny Tue, Aug 25, 2009 2:40:04pm |
re: #114 Sharmuta
Well, actually, it was Hendrix who gave it a new perspective. This rendition owes more to versions recorded by The Leaves and The Byrds than it does to Hendrix's version.
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OldLineTexan Tue, Aug 25, 2009 2:40:13pm |
re: #113 MandyManners
Hugh Heffner has the grave next to her.
They're burying him 6' 6" deep, just as an added measure.
/
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OldLineTexan Tue, Aug 25, 2009 2:40:47pm |
re: #118 eschew_obfuscation
Been to any presidential town halls lately?
jcm can tell you that I would reholster it from time to time during the town halls ...
/
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reloadingisnotahobby Tue, Aug 25, 2009 2:40:52pm |
re: #122 OldLineTexan
And face down...I had too...
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DEZes Tue, Aug 25, 2009 2:41:15pm |
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jcm Tue, Aug 25, 2009 2:42:10pm |
re: #105 Dianna
Without question!
So should the sword, because you cannot assume that he doesn't know what he's doing.
They don't have to demonstrate they know how to use it.
Means.
Opportunity.
Intent.
Means, a weapon capable of inflicting lethal or serious injuries.
Opportunity, can they use the means.
Intent, either verbal, or display in threatening manor.
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yochanan Tue, Aug 25, 2009 2:42:43pm |
re: #117 _RememberTonyC
good cop bad cop holder is doing what he is told trial balloon just wait for the GOP show trials.
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opnion Tue, Aug 25, 2009 2:43:02pm |
re: #117 _RememberTonyC
So Attorney General Eric Holder plans to appoint a special prosecutor who may indict and prosecute CIA operatives who maye have treated terrorist suspects harshly. And some of President Obama's apologists claim Holder is doing this against the wishes of the President?
I don't believe a word of it. And if I am wrong and Obama is really against this, he should either tell Holder to quit it now, or let him know that if any CIA agents are convicted, he plans to pardon them immediately.
This would not be happening without Obamas approval.
It takes the news away from health care & gives Pelosi cover.
Further imo Obama does not much like the CIA.
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Wendya Tue, Aug 25, 2009 2:44:01pm |
re: #55 MandyManners
You forgot the "motherfucking".
Samuel L Jackson has turned swearing into an art form.
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reloadingisnotahobby Tue, Aug 25, 2009 2:44:05pm |
re: #128 opnion
I would think the FBI and the CIA have a file on his ass from days gone by...
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BatGuano Tue, Aug 25, 2009 2:44:33pm |
re: #125 DEZes
When I first saw that movie at the theater when it was new, I thought to myself, "There's a story behind that scene". Sure enough, there was.
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DEZes Tue, Aug 25, 2009 2:44:33pm |
| 134 |
CyanSnowHawk Tue, Aug 25, 2009 2:44:42pm |
re: #130 Wendya
Samuel L Jackson has turned swearing into an art form.
One note does not a song make.
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MandyManners Tue, Aug 25, 2009 2:45:15pm |
re: #117 _RememberTonyC
So Attorney General Eric Holder plans to appoint a special prosecutor who may indict and prosecute CIA operatives who maye have treated terrorist suspects harshly. And some of President Obama's apologists claim Holder is doing this against the wishes of the President?
I don't believe a word of it. And if I am wrong and Obama is really against this, he should either tell Holder to quit it now, or let him know that if any CIA agents are convicted, he plans to pardon them immediately.
FCBBHO's trying to have it both ways. Only a blind partisan will not see the truth.
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DEZes Tue, Aug 25, 2009 2:45:27pm |
re: #132 BatGuano
When I first saw that movie at the theater when it was new, I thought to myself, "There's a story behind that scene". Sure enough, there was.
Your dating yourself. ;)
I saw it the weekend it premiered, loved it.
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Bobblehead Tue, Aug 25, 2009 2:45:44pm |
re: #106 MandyManners
I admire your restraint.
Thank you. The joke potential is high but I'll restrain myself out of respect for Miss Monroe.
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Kragar Tue, Aug 25, 2009 2:46:15pm |
re: #130 Wendya
Samuel L Jackson has turned swearing into an art form.
I kept waiting for it in Star Wars.
"Anakin, are you out of your mother fucking Jedi mind?"
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OldLineTexan Tue, Aug 25, 2009 2:46:18pm |
Hey Joe, where you goin' with that gun in your hand
Hey Joe, I said where you goin' with that gun in your hand
I'm going down to the town hall meetin'
You know, I've caught 'em messin' around with my health plan
I'm going down to the town hall meetin'
You know, I've caught 'em messin' around with my health plan
And that ain't too cool
/
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Sharmuta Tue, Aug 25, 2009 2:46:25pm |
re: #121 Danny
You'll note I didn't name anyone. But here's another example of what I meant:
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OldLineTexan Tue, Aug 25, 2009 2:46:46pm |
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DEZes Tue, Aug 25, 2009 2:46:51pm |
re: #135 MandyManners
FCBBHO's trying to have it both ways. Only a blind partisan will not see the truth.
Obama talks out both sides of his neck.
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Killian Bundy Tue, Aug 25, 2009 2:47:31pm |
The allegations in the five year old report have already been thoroughly investigated, a long time ago, by career prosecutors experienced in CIA matters, and in the one case where abuse was found charges were brought.
/sticks and stones didn’t hurt their bones, only words were used to break them
| 145 |
DEZes Tue, Aug 25, 2009 2:47:32pm |
re: #138 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
I kept waiting for it in Star Wars.
"Anakin, are you out of your mother fucking Jedi mind?"
LMAO!
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spinmore Tue, Aug 25, 2009 2:47:33pm |
re: #94 eschew_obfuscation
Reminds me of our best 'mini' vacation ever. Took a 9 day road trip from Philly through Nebraska into Wyoming (got as far a DuBois, Wy before we headed back). Originally wanted to rent a mini-van for the trip; after checking rental rates I bought a used Ford Windstar w/114K just to make the trip (cost was not much more). Windstar still running 205K just had it inspected. Talk about not owing me a dime.
Our three kids still talk about that non-stop drive.
Badlands/high desert/Oregon Trail/tumble-weeds/Rushmore/. . .
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BatGuano Tue, Aug 25, 2009 2:47:56pm |
re: #136 DEZes
Your dating yourself. ;)
I saw it the weekend it premiered, loved it.
I used to date myself until I got married, then I broke off the relationship. mostly. :)
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Kragar Tue, Aug 25, 2009 2:48:29pm |
re: #140 Sharmuta
You'll note I didn't name anyone. But here's another example of what I meant:
Sir Mix-a-lot's "Baby got back": The folk song version
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DEZes Tue, Aug 25, 2009 2:48:33pm |
re: #147 BatGuano
I used to date myself until I got married, then I broke off the relationship. mostly. :)
Heh, not gonna go there. ;)
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Vicious Babushka Tue, Aug 25, 2009 2:48:38pm |
re: #41 buzzsawmonkey
Now you've asked for it:
I got nasty hobbits
They're on a quest with me
Gotta throw away the Ring
To keep Middle-Earth free
Being chased by riders sent by
Mordor's evil lord
Only friend I really trust is
This old Elvish sword
C'mon now, fellows! Bilbo wrote a song to sing
Maybe that's why they call us the
Fellowship of the Ring--if the Rolling Stones had written "Lord of the Rings"
How about "The Battle Hymn of Frodo Baggins"
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solomonpanting Tue, Aug 25, 2009 2:48:41pm |
re: #141 OldLineTexan
Neil Young, Cinnamon Girl.
/
From Everybody Knows This is Nowhere. I wore the bejeebers out of that four-track.
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Bobblehead Tue, Aug 25, 2009 2:48:51pm |
re: #130 Wendya
Samuel L Jackson has turned swearing into an art form.
I assume we are talking about "Pulp Fiction"?
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opnion Tue, Aug 25, 2009 2:48:54pm |
re: #131 reloadingisnotahobby
I would think the FBI and the CIA have a file on his ass from days gone by...
I wouldn't doubt that for a minute. If things are leaked about Holder though they will be funnled through overseas sources.
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OldLineTexan Tue, Aug 25, 2009 2:48:54pm |
re: #138 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
I kept waiting for it in Star Wars.
"Anakin, are you out of your mother fucking Jedi mind?"
I thought for sure he would go psycho on them when his hand was cut off ... btw, there are more hands cut off in Star Wars movies than in an average day at a Saudi flea market.
/
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jcm Tue, Aug 25, 2009 2:49:15pm |
re: #146 spinmore
Reminds me of our best 'mini' vacation ever. Took a 9 day road trip from Philly through Nebraska into Wyoming (got as far a DuBois, Wy before we headed back). Originally wanted to rent a mini-van for the trip; after checking rental rates I bought a used Ford Windstar w/114K just to make the trip (cost was not much more). Windstar still running 205K just had it inspected. Talk about not owing me a dime.
Our three kids still talk about that non-stop drive.
Badlands/high desert/Oregon Trail/tumble-weeds/Rushmore/. . .
Wall Drug, did you hit Wall Drug?
| 157 |
CyanSnowHawk Tue, Aug 25, 2009 2:50:09pm |
re: #141 OldLineTexan
Neil Young, Cinnamon Girl.
/
Well, that happened faster than I thought it would.
/
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Athos Tue, Aug 25, 2009 2:50:27pm |
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Kragar Tue, Aug 25, 2009 2:50:30pm |
re: #145 DEZes
LMAO!
Of course, I was also waiting for lines leading up to Samuel L Jackon's death to be "Hello, my name is Boba Fett. You killed my father. Prepare to die."
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Bobblehead Tue, Aug 25, 2009 2:51:15pm |
re: #155 OldLineTexan
I thought for sure he would go psycho on them when his hand was cut off ... btw, there are more hands cut off in Star Wars movies than in an average day at a Saudi flea market.
/
Who knew?
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opnion Tue, Aug 25, 2009 2:51:25pm |
re: #135 MandyManners
FCBBHO's trying to have it both ways. Only a blind partisan will not see the truth.
You know that his defenders will deny that or say "well everyone does it."
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Wendya Tue, Aug 25, 2009 2:51:45pm |
re: #138 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
I kept waiting for it in Star Wars.
"Anakin, are you out of your mother fucking Jedi mind?"
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yochanan Tue, Aug 25, 2009 2:51:51pm |
which is a bigger pile of male bovine caca
1. the gov't can run health care cheaper
or
2. Holder is doing this on his own.
if you believe either of these i have a bridge for sale in Nigeria
| 165 |
OldLineTexan Tue, Aug 25, 2009 2:52:20pm |
| 166 |
Kragar Tue, Aug 25, 2009 2:52:57pm |
re: #155 OldLineTexan
I thought for sure he would go psycho on them when his hand was cut off ... btw, there are more hands cut off in Star Wars movies than in an average day at a Saudi flea market.
/
Saw a spoof of Vader singing to Luke, "I wanna be your father figure, put your tiny hand in mind...DOH, sorry about that."
| 167 |
Bobblehead Tue, Aug 25, 2009 2:52:58pm |
re: #158 Athos
That and Snakes on a Plane...
Mr. Jackson does have a way with the mf word doesn't he? Nobody can quite pull it off like he can.
| 168 |
jcm Tue, Aug 25, 2009 2:53:04pm |
Ramzan relief: Malaysia defers caning of beer-drinking woman
Malaysia abruptly granted a Ramzan reprieve to the first Muslim Malay model to be sentenced to caning for drinking beer, but
insisted the thrashing would still take place after the Islamic holy month of fasting.Kartika Sari Dewi Shuk-arno, a 32-year-old mother of two, had been en route to a women’s prison for the caning when Islamic officials who to-ok her into custody drove her back home and released her.
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Danny Tue, Aug 25, 2009 2:53:46pm |
re: #162 Sharmuta
Not many Kurdt fans in the house...
It's more a Gen-X tune. I'm more a Gen-D type.
| 170 |
SixDegrees Tue, Aug 25, 2009 2:53:49pm |
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spinmore Tue, Aug 25, 2009 2:54:19pm |
re: #156 jcm
LOL - No, I have read about it though. Seems like WD must be like South of the Border on I-95 on the East Coast (the power of marketing)
Where is WD located?
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OldLineTexan Tue, Aug 25, 2009 2:54:19pm |
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Kosh's Shadow Tue, Aug 25, 2009 2:54:42pm |
re: #166 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
Saw a spoof of Vader singing to Luke, "I wanna be your father figure, put your tiny hand in mind...DOH, sorry about that."
Or Darth Vader rapping "Luke, I'm your father..."
[Link: www.atom.com...]
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MandyManners Tue, Aug 25, 2009 2:55:01pm |
Beck has gone after Jones in the past. On July 28, he called the activist a "self-professed communist" and questioned the role he was playing in the administration. His latest assault on Jones came as Color of Change announced that it has secured commitments from 36 companies who have pledged not to advertise on Beck’s popular program, including Wal-Mart and Sprint. However, some of the companies never had a presence on "Glenn Beck." Representatives of Procter & Gamble and AT&T – listed by Color of Change as companies that had signed onto the boycott – told The Times that their companies did not run spots on Beck’s program to begin with.
| 175 |
SixDegrees Tue, Aug 25, 2009 2:55:06pm |
re: #171 spinmore
LOL - No, I have read about it though. Seems like WD must be like South of the Border on I-95 on the East Coast (the power of marketing)
Where is WD located?
In Wall, SD. Right outside the Badlands National Park.
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opnion Tue, Aug 25, 2009 2:57:12pm |
re: #167 Bobblehead
Mr. Jackson does have a way with the mf word doesn't he? Nobody can quite pull it off like he can.
He is a true artiste with the word. I realised his true genuis MF'ing in PUlp Fiction. Since then he has reached even higher plateaus.
I am in awe.
| 180 |
OldLineTexan Tue, Aug 25, 2009 2:57:16pm |
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spinmore Tue, Aug 25, 2009 2:57:55pm |
re: #175 SixDegrees
In Wall, SD. Right outside the Badlands National Park.
We stayed the night in Rapid City - had a great diner breakfast and hit Mt. Rushmore early after a drive through the state park nearby.
| 182 |
NY Nana Tue, Aug 25, 2009 2:58:58pm |
| 183 |
DEZes Tue, Aug 25, 2009 2:59:54pm |
| 184 |
BatGuano Tue, Aug 25, 2009 2:59:55pm |
re: #176 Sharmuta
That is great, Sharmuta! 17 years ago I thought Cobain was going to resurrect rock and roll. Things turned out otherwise.
| 185 |
LGoPs Tue, Aug 25, 2009 3:00:24pm |
re: #175 SixDegrees
In Wall, SD. Right outside the Badlands National Park.
I remember it from when I was a kid in the '60's and we'd drive thru there on long family vacations. The adverts started in Minnesota and went on for hundred's of miles.
| 186 |
NY Nana Tue, Aug 25, 2009 3:01:25pm |
| 187 |
callahan23 Tue, Aug 25, 2009 3:01:29pm |
| 188 |
reloadingisnotahobby Tue, Aug 25, 2009 3:02:03pm |
re: #181 spinmore
We stayed the night in Rapid City - had a great diner breakfast and hit Mt. Rushmore early after a drive through the state park nearby.
I hit a wild horse just out side of Rapid City..in a F*&^&* blinding snow storm!
It slide up the hood far enough to crack the windshield!
Slide off ,turned and looked me right in the eye,trotted off!
It sucked...It was dads 69 Impala...
| 189 |
CyanSnowHawk Tue, Aug 25, 2009 3:02:04pm |
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DEZes Tue, Aug 25, 2009 3:02:39pm |
re: #186 NY Nana
I just couldn't' resist!
Thanks for the opportunity. ;)
Fortunately, I have never smelled the man speak. ;)
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OldLineTexan Tue, Aug 25, 2009 3:02:40pm |
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Kragar Tue, Aug 25, 2009 3:02:51pm |
Schoolgirls in Hamas-run Gaza told to wear Islamic dress
GAZA CITY — Schoolgirls in Hamas-run Gaza have been told to wear traditional full-length robes and headscarves in what is being seen as the latest move towards enforcing conservative Islam in the besieged enclave.
In numerous girls' schools in the Palestinian territory, which reopened their doors on Sunday following the summer recess, students were told they would be sent home if they do not conform with clothing regulations.
"We invite all schoolgirls to wear the jilbab," a senior official in the Hamas education ministry, Mahmud Abu Hassira, told AFP. The jilbab is a traditional, long, loose-fitting robe worn by women in some Muslim countries.
Yet, the Islamist movement insists it did not order girls to wear the jilbab but let school principals know they should no longer ask students to wear the old uniform that consisted of a long blue skirt and matching blouse.
Hamas government spokesman Taher al-Nunu stressed that the decision to do away with the old uniform was taken "in order to alleviate parents' financial burden caused by the blockade and the asphyxiating economic situation."
| 194 |
Walter L. Newton Tue, Aug 25, 2009 3:03:16pm |
They are really stretching to connect any good news with Obama...
"Stocks extended a recent rally today after reports showed that consumer confidence and home prices are starting to recover. President Obama's nomination of Federal Reserve chief Ben Bernanke for a second term added to the positive sentiment, CNNMoney reports. The Dow Jones industrial average added 30 points, or 0.3 percent, according to early tallies."
[Link: money.cnn.com...]
Yet, at the same time...
"Aug. 25 (Bloomberg) -- U.S. unemployment will surge to 10 percent this year and the budget deficit will be $1.5 trillion next year, both higher than previous Obama administration forecasts because of a recession that was deeper and longer than expected, White House budget chief Peter Orszag said."
[Link: www.bloomberg.com...]
Of course, they think we are stupid, we don't see this, we don't understand this, we can't put two and two together and get five like they evidently do.
Fuck em, I know how to add.
| 195 |
jcm Tue, Aug 25, 2009 3:03:33pm |
re: #185 LGoPs
I remember it from when I was a kid in the '60's and we'd drive thru there on long family vacations. The adverts started in Minnesota and went on for hundred's of miles.
My folks were missionaries, we come back to the States for a break and to visit all the churches that supported us. Churches from Upstate New York to SoCal supported my folks, I can remember about a two dozen coast to coast trips about half across the northern tier.
| 196 |
OldLineTexan Tue, Aug 25, 2009 3:03:37pm |
re: #190 Sharmuta
Only real good Nirvana fans get that spelling.
Cool, my musical youth was somewhat earlier, with the Godfather of Grunge.
/
| 197 |
CyanSnowHawk Tue, Aug 25, 2009 3:03:39pm |
re: #188 reloadingisnotahobby
I hit a wild horse just out side of Rapid City..in a F*&^&* blinding snow storm!
It slide up the hood far enough to crack the windshield!
Slide off ,turned and looked me right in the eye,trotted off!
It sucked...It was dads 69 Impala...
'69 Impala? You must have had a nice long time watching that horse slide up the hood on that one.
| 198 |
MandyManners Tue, Aug 25, 2009 3:03:50pm |
| 199 |
albusteve Tue, Aug 25, 2009 3:04:17pm |
re: #181 spinmore
We stayed the night in Rapid City - had a great diner breakfast and hit Mt. Rushmore early after a drive through the state park nearby.
Philly to DuBois and back...maybe not a record, but that's one hell of a drive right there in 9 days
| 200 |
Kragar Tue, Aug 25, 2009 3:04:31pm |
re: #198 MandyManners
"We invite all schoolgirls to wear the jilbab,"
INVITE?
I do not think that word means what they think it means.
| 201 |
jcm Tue, Aug 25, 2009 3:04:40pm |
re: #188 reloadingisnotahobby
I hit a wild horse just out side of Rapid City..in a F*&^&* blinding snow storm!
It slide up the hood far enough to crack the windshield!
Slide off ,turned and looked me right in the eye,trotted off!
It sucked...It was dads 69 Impala...
We hit a badger in WY, my dad stopped to check, sucker took off after my dad...
| 202 |
Desert Dog Tue, Aug 25, 2009 3:04:53pm |
re: #194 Walter L. Newton
They are really stretching to connect any good news with Obama...
"Stocks extended a recent rally today after reports showed that consumer confidence and home prices are starting to recover. President Obama's nomination of Federal Reserve chief Ben Bernanke for a second term added to the positive sentiment, CNNMoney reports. The Dow Jones industrial average added 30 points, or 0.3 percent, according to early tallies."
[Link: money.cnn.com...]
Yet, at the same time...
"Aug. 25 (Bloomberg) -- U.S. unemployment will surge to 10 percent this year and the budget deficit will be $1.5 trillion next year, both higher than previous Obama administration forecasts because of a recession that was deeper and longer than expected, White House budget chief Peter Orszag said."
[Link: www.bloomberg.com...]
Of course, they think we are stupid, we don't see this, we don't understand this, we can't put two and two together and get five like they evidently do.
Fuck em, I know how to add.
You just forgot your rose tinted glasses, Walter...everything looks better with those on.
| 203 |
OldLineTexan Tue, Aug 25, 2009 3:04:58pm |
re: #198 MandyManners
"We invite all schoolgirls to wear the jilbab,"
INVITE?
You get three invitations before they cut your head off.
| 204 |
opnion Tue, Aug 25, 2009 3:05:04pm |
Gahdafi will be in New York next month to address the U.N.
Michelle Malkin is reporting that he plans to erect a Tent for himself on
an estate 12 miles North of Manhatton.. The mother of one of the Lockerbie victims lives near by.
The State Department is considering the request.
| 205 |
Sharmuta Tue, Aug 25, 2009 3:05:06pm |
re: #196 OldLineTexan
Cool, my musical youth was somewhat earlier, with the Godfather of Grunge.
/
Paul McCartney?
| 206 |
reloadingisnotahobby Tue, Aug 25, 2009 3:05:11pm |
re: #197 CyanSnowHawk
Yup!
I hit him in the ass...he just sat and rode it till I stopped!!!
| 207 |
MandyManners Tue, Aug 25, 2009 3:05:24pm |
re: #200 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
I do not think that word means what they think it means.
I think they're full of shit.
| 208 |
LGoPs Tue, Aug 25, 2009 3:05:28pm |
re: #200 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
I do not think that word means what they think it means.
Inconceivable!
| 209 |
Walter L. Newton Tue, Aug 25, 2009 3:05:30pm |
re: #198 MandyManners
"We invite all schoolgirls to wear the jilbab,"
INVITE?
Yes, it's also a term frequently used by the Mafia, as in "We invite you to take a swim with the fishes."
You get the point?
| 210 |
MandyManners Tue, Aug 25, 2009 3:05:54pm |
re: #203 OldLineTexan
You get three invitations before they cut your head off.
Talk about command performances!
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Kosh's Shadow Tue, Aug 25, 2009 3:06:20pm |
re: #204 opnion
Gahdafi will be in New York next month to address the U.N.
Michelle Malkin is reporting that he plans to erect a Tent for himself on
an estate 12 miles North of Manhatton.. The mother of one of the Lockerbie victims lives near by.
The State Department is considering the request.
A tent? Be a shame if an airplane fell on it.
| 212 |
reloadingisnotahobby Tue, Aug 25, 2009 3:06:28pm |
re: #201 jcm
There was NO EXCUSE !!How could that damn horse not see a bright red Impala!!Sheesh!
| 213 |
jamgarr Tue, Aug 25, 2009 3:06:31pm |
I must say that Tim O'Brien has a certain Phil Lesh/Night Court thing going on.
| 214 |
OldLineTexan Tue, Aug 25, 2009 3:06:45pm |
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MandyManners Tue, Aug 25, 2009 3:06:48pm |
re: #204 opnion
Gahdafi will be in New York next month to address the U.N.
Michelle Malkin is reporting that he plans to erect a Tent for himself on
an estate 12 miles North of Manhatton.. The mother of one of the Lockerbie victims lives near by.
The State Department is considering the request.
I think this will be the test of whether FCBBHO was not full of faux outrage.
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Sharmuta Tue, Aug 25, 2009 3:07:07pm |
The Beatles' 'Helter Skelter' was the grand daddy of punk music.
Discuss.
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reloadingisnotahobby Tue, Aug 25, 2009 3:07:09pm |
re: #204 opnion
Thought it was in Jersey and they told him fuck off!
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ArmyWife Tue, Aug 25, 2009 3:07:09pm |
Hi guys! Another short visit as Mr. Armywife has prepared a delicious dinner again - tenderloin, spaetzle and a romaine salad with balsamic vinaigrette. A girl could get used to this - I may have to rethink his offer of being a stay at home dad after retirement!
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BatGuano Tue, Aug 25, 2009 3:07:15pm |
re: #190 Sharmuta
Oh, Excrement of the Bat's Rear Private Part- I wept and at times still do.
I put that loss third behind Hank Williams and Buddy Holley. All died way to young.
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MandyManners Tue, Aug 25, 2009 3:07:34pm |
re: #209 Walter L. Newton
Yes, it's also a term frequently used by the Mafia, as in "We invite you to take a swim with the fishes."
You get the point?
I'd rather have the horse's head in my bed.
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Kragar Tue, Aug 25, 2009 3:07:45pm |
GAZA: Has Hamas unofficially imposed Islamic dress code on students?
Educators in the Gaza Strip have begun enforcing an unofficial decree by the Hamas leadership requiring high school girls to wear Islamic dress, despite Hamas Education Minister Muhammad Asqoul denying such a policy as recently as two days ago, Arab news outlets reported.
"Palestinian society is committed by nature and does not need decrees to force it to be so," Asqoul said, according to a front-page report by Qays Safadi in the left-leaning Lebanese newspaper Al-Akhbar (Arabic link).
"And we'll have our thugs beat the living shit out of anyone who suggests otherwise."
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albusteve Tue, Aug 25, 2009 3:08:06pm |
re: #213 jamgarr
I must say that Tim O'Brien has a certain Phil Lesh/Night Court thing going on.
O'Brian is a virtuoso...he can and does play everything...Hot Rize was a remarkable band back in the day
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MandyManners Tue, Aug 25, 2009 3:08:24pm |
re: #219 ArmyWife
Hi guys! Another short visit as Mr. Armywife has prepared a delicious dinner again - tenderloin, spaetzle and a romaine salad with balsamic vinaigrette. A girl could get used to this - I may have to rethink his offer of being a stay at home dad after retirement!
Does he have a brother?
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ArmyWife Tue, Aug 25, 2009 3:08:55pm |
re: #225 MandyManners
He does. But he is married. And to be honest? I got the good one!
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LGoPs Tue, Aug 25, 2009 3:09:01pm |
re: #204 opnion
Gahdafi will be in New York next month to address the U.N.
Michelle Malkin is reporting that he plans to erect a Tent for himself on
an estate 12 miles North of Manhatton.. The mother of one of the Lockerbie victims lives near by.
The State Department is considering the request.
Maybe the bastard is trying to practice De Tent with us.
///
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jcm Tue, Aug 25, 2009 3:09:01pm |
re: #212 reloadingisnotahobby
There was NO EXCUSE !!How could that damn horse not see a bright red Impala!!Sheesh!
LOL! That badger stood up in the middle of the lane and dared us to hit him!
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Dancing along the light of day Tue, Aug 25, 2009 3:09:09pm |
re: #36 callahan23
You going to try it? You might find one really cute!
*waves*
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MandyManners Tue, Aug 25, 2009 3:09:31pm |
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NY Nana Tue, Aug 25, 2009 3:09:58pm |
re: #187 callahan23
Literally LMAO
and that from you!
;-)
Just check my age in my avatar! ;)
I am a potty mouth, letting it all out before my daughter and almost-3 year old (this Saturday!) grandson come here tomorrow, as daughter probably will have a roll of duct tape with her...Mandy taught me everything I know!
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spinmore Tue, Aug 25, 2009 3:09:59pm |
re: #188 reloadingisnotahobby
We did fear hitting something at night driving through the open range at night driving somewhere south of South Pass; did see a road runner (we think) shoot across the road in the beam of the head lights. My wife still tells the story of the near miss.
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jcm Tue, Aug 25, 2009 3:10:00pm |
re: #204 opnion
Gahdafi will be in New York next month to address the U.N.
Michelle Malkin is reporting that he plans to erect a Tent for himself on
an estate 12 miles North of Manhatton.. The mother of one of the Lockerbie victims lives near by.
The State Department is considering the request.
With his female body guards of course he has a tent.
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MandyManners Tue, Aug 25, 2009 3:10:08pm |
re: #227 LGoPs
Maybe the bastard is trying to practice De Tent with us.
///
I know where I'd like to stick that tent's pole.
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SixDegrees Tue, Aug 25, 2009 3:10:10pm |
re: #181 spinmore
We stayed the night in Rapid City - had a great diner breakfast and hit Mt. Rushmore early after a drive through the state park nearby.
That would probably be Custer State Park. We've stayed there; the state-run restaurants are absolutely outstanding, and serve top-notch food centered on the region - buffalo, elk, venison, pheasant - with tamer fare available for the timid. I can't recommend it enough.
Mt. Rushmore was surprisingly interesting. Not the sort of place I would normally go, but the kid's were interested so we made the stop, and I'm glad we did.
Lots of history in that park and region. Fantastic wildlife viewing there, too. We could have easily spent an entire vacation in the Black Hills, but pressed on to Yellowstone and the Tetons after just a few days.
Now I'm thinking it's time for a revisit.
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Kosh's Shadow Tue, Aug 25, 2009 3:10:42pm |
re: #234 MandyManners
I know where I'd like to stick that tent's pole.
A stake through the heart? That's what it might take.
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Walter L. Newton Tue, Aug 25, 2009 3:10:43pm |
re: #221 MandyManners
I'd rather have the horse's head in my bed.
Cozy. And warm in the winter.
And on that note, I just finished reading a bit of fictional history, and like most good fictional history, there is a lot of fact woven into a clever fiction thread.
And one of the things I never knew, nor did it ever strike me, but, people use to bed down in fresh horse manure to keep warm when the opportunity arose and there was that need.
Interesting.
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LGoPs Tue, Aug 25, 2009 3:10:46pm |
re: #234 MandyManners
I know where I'd like to stick that tent's pole.
LOL. I'd help you in a heartbeat.
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opnion Tue, Aug 25, 2009 3:11:12pm |
re: #211 Kosh's Shadow
A tent? Be a shame if an airplane fell on it.
Hahdafi loves elborate Bedouin style tents> I really think he just wants to do it to stick it to us.
He is riding high after the British released that animal via the Scots.
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MandyManners Tue, Aug 25, 2009 3:11:19pm |
re: #237 Walter L. Newton
Cozy. And warm in the winter.
And on that note, I just finished reading a bit of fictional history, and like most good fictional history, there is a lot of fact woven into a clever fiction thread.
And one of the things I never knew, nor did it ever strike me, but, people use to bed down in fresh horse manure to keep warm when the opportunity arose and there was that need.
Interesting.
I'd rather be cold.
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jcm Tue, Aug 25, 2009 3:11:29pm |
re: #232 spinmore
We did fear hitting something at night driving through the open range at night driving somewhere south of South Pass; did see a road runner (we think) shoot across the road in the beam of the head lights. My wife still tells the story of the near miss.
Hitting things is one thing...
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MandyManners Tue, Aug 25, 2009 3:11:42pm |
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DEZes Tue, Aug 25, 2009 3:11:43pm |
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OldLineTexan Tue, Aug 25, 2009 3:11:52pm |
re: #223 SurferDoc
A penny for the Old Guy.
You surpass me, sir.
What is the connection to Guy Fawkes?
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ArmyWife Tue, Aug 25, 2009 3:12:14pm |
re: #230 MandyManners
How about friend? I have 2 in mind. One will need a bit of mental rehab, but I love him to death. He is in Afghanistan right now. The other is a GREAT Daddy, a little short but very fit. I hate his girlfriend. She is,...well... as we say in the south, uncouth.
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Walter L. Newton Tue, Aug 25, 2009 3:12:15pm |
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MandyManners Tue, Aug 25, 2009 3:12:17pm |
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Athos Tue, Aug 25, 2009 3:12:19pm |
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MandyManners Tue, Aug 25, 2009 3:12:49pm |
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debutaunt Tue, Aug 25, 2009 3:12:50pm |
re: #198 MandyManners
"We invite all schoolgirls to wear the jilbab,"
INVITE?
Well, the invitation includes a pile of stones.
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MandyManners Tue, Aug 25, 2009 3:13:16pm |
re: #245 ArmyWife
How about friend? I have 2 in mind. One will need a bit of mental rehab, but I love him to death. He is in Afghanistan right now. The other is a GREAT Daddy, a little short but very fit. I hate his girlfriend. She is,...well... as we say in the south, uncouth.
Hey, I'm short, too!
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callahan23 Tue, Aug 25, 2009 3:13:19pm |
re: #229 Floral Giraffe
You going to try it? You might find one really cute!
*waves*
Hi {Floral} how are you doing?
I am not yet prepared for something strong and new. I don't want to hurt anyone. - Not quite yet ;-)
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NY Nana Tue, Aug 25, 2009 3:13:20pm |
re: #204 opnion
It is in NJ, and that estate is owned by the Syrian dictatorship. There is enough complaint from the Mayor and the citizens to hopefully put a stop to it.
Let him stay in a loo at the Disunited Nations...eating ham sandwiches and bagels.
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MandyManners Tue, Aug 25, 2009 3:13:38pm |
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Kosh's Shadow Tue, Aug 25, 2009 3:13:44pm |
re: #239 opnion
Hahdafi loves elborate Bedouin style tents> I really think he just wants to do it to stick it to us.
He is riding high after the British released that animal via the Scots.
I better stop making suggestions of what to do with Khadaffy if I don't want to be banned.
But the US shouldn't let him fly in. He should have to come in either from Canada or Mexico, or by ship. He feted someone who blew up an airplane; he shouldn't get to use one, since we can't blow his up.
Hell, he probably ordered the bomb.
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MandyManners Tue, Aug 25, 2009 3:13:56pm |
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BatGuano Tue, Aug 25, 2009 3:13:58pm |
re: #217 Sharmuta
The Beatles' 'Helter Skelter' was the grand daddy of punk music.
Discuss.
Now that you mention it, running the song through my head, I'm reminded of I wanna be sedated.
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ArmyWife Tue, Aug 25, 2009 3:14:03pm |
re: #253 MandyManners
So am I, remember? I'm only 5'2. Mr. Armywife is 6'3.
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SurferDoc Tue, Aug 25, 2009 3:14:16pm |
re: #244 OldLineTexan
You surpass me, sir.
What is the connection to Guy Fawkes?
The first lines of The Hollow Men.
"Mistah Kurtz—he dead.
A penny for the Old Guy"
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albusteve Tue, Aug 25, 2009 3:14:20pm |
re: #235 SixDegrees
That would probably be Custer State Park. We've stayed there; the state-run restaurants are absolutely outstanding, and serve top-notch food centered on the region - buffalo, elk, venison, pheasant - with tamer fare available for the timid. I can't recommend it enough.
Mt. Rushmore was surprisingly interesting. Not the sort of place I would normally go, but the kid's were interested so we made the stop, and I'm glad we did.
Lots of history in that park and region. Fantastic wildlife viewing there, too. We could have easily spent an entire vacation in the Black Hills, but pressed on to Yellowstone and the Tetons after just a few days.
Now I'm thinking it's time for a revisit.
Deadwood was a jewel of the old west until they legalized gambling...then it lost most of its charm imo
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opnion Tue, Aug 25, 2009 3:14:30pm |
re: #233 jcm
With his female body guards of course he has a tent.
I was going to make a sick comment about a goat , but I won'.t
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LGoPs Tue, Aug 25, 2009 3:14:40pm |
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SixDegrees Tue, Aug 25, 2009 3:14:42pm |
re: #185 LGoPs
I remember it from when I was a kid in the '60's and we'd drive thru there on long family vacations. The adverts started in Minnesota and went on for hundred's of miles.
Great breakfasts there, and dirt cheap. And more utter crap than the law ought to allow, I suppose. But I love the place - to me, it's a huge success story, a guy who was handed a sack full of nuthin' and turned it into a gold mine with little more than his bare hands.
The region is full of such places, most not as successful, most in danger of fading away forever as youngsters move on to a less hard-scrabble existence. See 'em while you can; they'll all be gone in another generation.
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MandyManners Tue, Aug 25, 2009 3:14:46pm |
re: #250 debutaunt
Well, the invitation includes a pile of stones.
For now, they'll just send them home.
I wonder if women will be allowed to teach teen boys.
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BatGuano Tue, Aug 25, 2009 3:15:11pm |
re: #260 BatGuano
Wait, shit. I mean the song "I wanna be sedated", not my current mental attitude.
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callahan23 Tue, Aug 25, 2009 3:15:24pm |
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reloadingisnotahobby Tue, Aug 25, 2009 3:15:26pm |
re: #255 NY Nana
Could a contractor "accidently " Implode that place while he's inside!!
You know...Tranverse an address or sumpin??
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SurferDoc Tue, Aug 25, 2009 3:15:27pm |
re: #258 buzzsawmonkey
"Mistah Kurtz--he dead
A penny for the Old Guy"
are the two quotations which begin TS Eliot's "The Wasteland."
Uh, uh. Check again.
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DEZes Tue, Aug 25, 2009 3:15:28pm |
re: #268 MandyManners
For now, they'll just send them home.
I wonder if women will be allowed to teach teen boys.
One sure taught me...
Never mind.
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MandyManners Tue, Aug 25, 2009 3:15:43pm |
re: #255 NY Nana
It is in NJ, and that estate is owned by the Syrian dictatorship. There is enough complaint from the Mayor and the citizens to hopefully put a stop to it.
Let him stay in a loo at the Disunited Nations...eating ham sandwiches and bagels.
The chinless opthomologist?
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opnion Tue, Aug 25, 2009 3:15:46pm |
re: #255 NY Nana
It is in NJ, and that estate is owned by the Syrian dictatorship. There is enough complaint from the Mayor and the citizens to hopefully put a stop to it.
Let him stay in a loo at the Disunited Nations...eating ham sandwiches and bagels.<
/blockquote>
Sounds like a plan. It is a real upscale area?
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OldLineTexan Tue, Aug 25, 2009 3:15:47pm |
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spinmore Tue, Aug 25, 2009 3:15:55pm |
re: #235 SixDegrees
Yes - you're right about the name. We thought we could just stop in and hire some horses for a trail ride. No such luck - booked solid. I remember us talking about how nice the cabins looked and how someday we'd book a stay there (well you know how that works) maybe someday.
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SurferDoc Tue, Aug 25, 2009 3:16:07pm |
re: #269 buzzsawmonkey
Oh, hell. I thought it was "The Wasteland."
I've just shot my literary cred to hell.
You're cred is way more powerful than that!
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Desert Dog Tue, Aug 25, 2009 3:16:11pm |
re: #263 albusteve
Deadwood was a jewel of the old west until they legalized gambling...then it lost most of its charm imo
Same thing with Central City and Cripple Creek in Colo. Obscene little mini-Vegas sh*tholes now.
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Walter L. Newton Tue, Aug 25, 2009 3:16:36pm |
re: #256 MandyManners
What are those?
It's a hunters stew...
[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]
I say mine is quick, because traditionally, it should be cooked off and on for a week, adding leftovers of all sorts, with a cabbage base.
Mine is just Bavarian sauerkraut, chunked beef and potatoes and spices, slow cooked in a crock pot.
I've had the traditional kind in Poland, really good.
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MandyManners Tue, Aug 25, 2009 3:16:56pm |
re: #261 ArmyWife
So am I, remember? I'm only 5'2. Mr. Armywife is 6'3.
Dickhead is 6'4". I didnt' know they stacked shit so high.
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Sharmuta Tue, Aug 25, 2009 3:16:57pm |
re: #260 BatGuano
Now that you mention it, running the song through my head, I'm reminded of I wanna be sedated.
In all seriousness, I think 'Helter Skelter' is the first punk/grunge recording. The Beatles were revolutionaries, and it's not surprising to me they were ahead of their time with an entire genre.
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albusteve Tue, Aug 25, 2009 3:17:38pm |
re: #281 Desert Dog
Same thing with Central City and Cripple Creek in Colo. Obscene little mini-Vegas sh*tholes now.
yup...Blackhawk, Georgetown
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Sharmuta Tue, Aug 25, 2009 3:18:06pm |
re: #270 BatGuano
Wait, shit. I mean the song "I wanna be sedated", not my current mental attitude.
I knew what you meant, but the double entendre was cute.
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Walter L. Newton Tue, Aug 25, 2009 3:18:38pm |
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jcm Tue, Aug 25, 2009 3:19:05pm |
Castro reviews Obama's performance
Former Cuban leader Fidel Castro criticized President Obama for expanding the war effort in Afghanistan, but Castro also mildly praised Obama's domestic initiatives, such as health care reform.
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SixDegrees Tue, Aug 25, 2009 3:19:20pm |
re: #263 albusteve
Deadwood was a jewel of the old west until they legalized gambling...then it lost most of its charm imo
We missed it on our last trip; the show by that name was on at the time, and I heard it had degenerated into suckitude.
Gambling is slowly swallowing everything out there. There are slots in party stores, laundromats, gas stations - all over the damn place. I don't see this as a good thing - the areas these places are in look just as impoverished as can be, and the slots are just sucking what little bit of cash there is out of the poor.
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Desert Dog Tue, Aug 25, 2009 3:19:23pm |
re: #284 Sharmuta
In all seriousness, I think 'Helter Skelter' is the first punk/grunge recording. The Beatles were revolutionaries, and it's not surprising to me they were ahead of their time with an entire genre.
IRCC, Paul McCartney heard either the Stones or the Who were coming out with some really "hard" song, and he wanted to best them. I will have to look up that story again.
I agree with you. That song broke some rules. A bunch on that album broke some rules.
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BatGuano Tue, Aug 25, 2009 3:19:38pm |
re: #284 Sharmuta
My reply was serious also. There was nothing like Helter Skelter at the time. I had not thought of the punk/grunge element but you raise a good point.
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Kosh's Shadow Tue, Aug 25, 2009 3:19:38pm |
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DEZes Tue, Aug 25, 2009 3:19:46pm |
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opnion Tue, Aug 25, 2009 3:19:47pm |
re: #257 Kosh's Shadow
I better stop making suggestions of what to do with Khadaffy if I don't want to be banned.
But the US shouldn't let him fly in. He should have to come in either from Canada or Mexico, or by ship. He feted someone who blew up an airplane; he shouldn't get to use one, since we can't blow his up.
Hell, he probably ordered the bomb.
It is disgraceful that this guy gets to come here, but here is where the U.N is. He can have his movements restricted though & should not get
permission to travel to an Estate in New Jersey.
I would bet anything that Obama will let him unless there is an outcry.
As for what you would like to say, I have some idea & I agree.
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NY Nana Tue, Aug 25, 2009 3:21:09pm |
re: #276 opnion
My bad...I meant Libya...and Daffy Quadaffi ...and yes, it is an upscale neighborhood.
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Sharmuta Tue, Aug 25, 2009 3:21:57pm |
re: #293 BatGuano
My reply was serious also. There was nothing like Helter Skelter at the time. I had not thought of the punk/grunge element but you raise a good point.
It's my one woman mission to get McCartney the title The GrandDaddy of Punk. :p
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Walter L. Newton Tue, Aug 25, 2009 3:22:03pm |
re: #291 SixDegrees
We missed it on our last trip; the show by that name was on at the time, and I heard it had degenerated into suckitude.
Gambling is slowly swallowing everything out there. There are slots in party stores, laundromats, gas stations - all over the damn place. I don't see this as a good thing - the areas these places are in look just as impoverished as can be, and the slots are just sucking what little bit of cash there is out of the poor.
Hell, I got a slot in one of my bedrooms.
I remember when computers were first communicating with "bulletin boards" and I had mentioned to someone wouldn't it be a hoot if someday we just use our computer to bring gambling right into our homes.
Shit, I should realized what I had said and moved off shore and set up a on line gambling site.
That was about 1982.
(I also invented Ebay in 1983)
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SixDegrees Tue, Aug 25, 2009 3:22:12pm |
re: #279 spinmore
Yes - you're right about the name. We thought we could just stop in and hire some horses for a trail ride. No such luck - booked solid. I remember us talking about how nice the cabins looked and how someday we'd book a stay there (well you know how that works) maybe someday.
Yeah - you've gotta book months in advance. We planned a year ahead, so there wasn't a problem.
They have an enormous buffalo herd on the land there, managed by the state, and every fall they have a huge roundup festival. Never been, but it's on my list of places to be some day. Looks like a great time.
And if you're in the area in July, you're not far from Sturgis; jump on your hog, break out the assless chaps and...well, enjoy, I guess. ;-)
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albusteve Tue, Aug 25, 2009 3:22:37pm |
re: #292 Desert Dog
IRCC, Paul McCartney heard either the Stones or the Who were coming out with some really "hard" song, and he wanted to best them. I will have to look up that story again.
I agree with you. That song broke some rules. A bunch on that album broke some rules.
you have to be rich before you can record something like the White Album, most of which had been around for a few years...nobody expects much of it then Boom!...masterpiece
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LGoPs Tue, Aug 25, 2009 3:23:22pm |
re: #267 SixDegrees
Great breakfasts there, and dirt cheap. And more utter crap than the law ought to allow, I suppose. But I love the place - to me, it's a huge success story, a guy who was handed a sack full of nuthin' and turned it into a gold mine with little more than his bare hands.
The region is full of such places, most not as successful, most in danger of fading away forever as youngsters move on to a less hard-scrabble existence. See 'em while you can; they'll all be gone in another generation.
When I was with the Army in Germany back in the '80's some wag put up a sign on our gunnery range at Grafenwoehr with an arrow pointing to Wall Drug, SD 5,275 MI...
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A Man for all Seasons Tue, Aug 25, 2009 3:23:56pm |
re: #293 BatGuano
My reply was serious also. There was nothing like Helter Skelter at the time. I had not thought of the punk/grunge element but you raise a good point.
My new 2 favorite bands this week..
King of Leon
Cracker
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opnion Tue, Aug 25, 2009 3:23:57pm |
re: #298 NY Nana
My bad...I meant Libya...and Daffy Quadaffi ...and yes, it is an upscale neighborhood.
They should restrict him. Left to his own devices, Obama would send him a Koran & best wishes from the American people.
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quickjustice Tue, Aug 25, 2009 3:24:13pm |
re: #296 opnion
12 miles north of Manhattan would be Westchester County. Sing-Sing Penitentiary, perhaps?
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Kragar Tue, Aug 25, 2009 3:24:36pm |
re: #304 LGoPs
When I was with the Army in Germany back in the '80's some wag put up a sign on our gunnery range at Grafenwoehr with an arrow pointing to Wall Drug, SD 5,275 MI...
How many miles to South of the Border?
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spinmore Tue, Aug 25, 2009 3:24:38pm |
re: #301 SixDegrees
Yeah, assless chaps - they're on my must-buy list. (LOL)
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BatGuano Tue, Aug 25, 2009 3:24:38pm |
re: #299 Sharmuta
Lol. I'm picturing him on stage in 1970's Pimp garb.
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Walter L. Newton Tue, Aug 25, 2009 3:24:43pm |
re: #294 Kosh's Shadow
Burgoo?
I belive an authentic burgoo requires squirrel.
Sorry about the spelling. Authentic, I don't know, it's all based on Hunters sytled stews, burgoo traces roots to the Irish, yet the name speaks to the eastern European root in the word bigos.
I've had burgoo in Kentucky and bigos in Tykochin Poland, it's all tasty.
It's like flatbread, every culture has a type.
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Sharmuta Tue, Aug 25, 2009 3:25:15pm |
re: #292 Desert Dog
IRCC, Paul McCartney heard either the Stones or the Who were coming out with some really "hard" song, and he wanted to best them. I will have to look up that story again.
I agree with you. That song broke some rules. A bunch on that album broke some rules.
And it (helter Skelter) really doesn't get discussed in this light, imo. I've not seen the song discussed in this regard to musical/rock history, and I think it's a shame because it really adds a new course of discussion on punk/grunge and where it started- and adding to the legend that is already The Beatles, Greatest Band Ever.
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Kosh's Shadow Tue, Aug 25, 2009 3:25:21pm |
re: #304 LGoPs
When I was with the Army in Germany back in the '80's some wag put up a sign on our gunnery range at Grafenwoehr with an arrow pointing to Wall Drug, SD 5,275 MI...
Pedro sez they also should have put one up for South of the Border.
And with that, I head home, hoping it isn't too hot, as the air conditioning in my car is broken and I can't get it fixed until Thursday. At least I can take my wife's car for a couple of days while mine is fixed, but her brakes needed to be fixed first.
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SixDegrees Tue, Aug 25, 2009 3:25:51pm |
re: #304 LGoPs
When I was with the Army in Germany back in the '80's some wag put up a sign on our gunnery range at Grafenwoehr with an arrow pointing to Wall Drug, SD 5,275 MI...
Wall Drug will be happy to make up such a sign for any location you desire. It's probably on their website, but I'm too lazy to look.
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opnion Tue, Aug 25, 2009 3:26:03pm |
re: #307 quickjustice
12 miles north of Manhattan would be Westchester County. Sing-Sing Penitentiary, perhaps?
Help me out, isn't Westchester County in New York State?
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SixDegrees Tue, Aug 25, 2009 3:26:51pm |
re: #309 spinmore
Yeah, assless chaps - they're on my must-buy list. (LOL)
Get the leathers; they have that dressy yet casual look that fits in so well at the office on dress-down Fridays.
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A Man for all Seasons Tue, Aug 25, 2009 3:28:05pm |
re: #317 SixDegrees
Get the leathers; they have that dressy yet casual look that fits in so well at the office on dress-down Fridays.
Do these chaps make my ass look big?
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NY Nana Tue, Aug 25, 2009 3:28:15pm |
re: #272 reloadingisnotahobby
Could a contractor "accidently " Implode that place while he's inside!!
You know...Tranverse an address or sumpin??
If only...if only.
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A Man for all Seasons Tue, Aug 25, 2009 3:29:07pm |
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LGoPs Tue, Aug 25, 2009 3:29:23pm |
re: #308 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
How many miles to South of the Border?
LOL...I don't know. Probably about the same, as the crow flies.
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opnion Tue, Aug 25, 2009 3:29:42pm |
re: #319 HoosierHoops
Do these chaps make my ass look big?
You get three other guys in the office to wear them too then sing YMCA.
Fabulous!
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NY Nana Tue, Aug 25, 2009 3:30:04pm |
re: #306 opnion
They should restrict him. Left to his own devices, Obama would send him a Koran & best wishes from the American people.
/They could stay up all night and plot.
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Kragar Tue, Aug 25, 2009 3:30:23pm |
Sen. Ted Kennedy Wears Flip-Flops
Back in 2004, Senator Ted Kennedy encouraged the Massachusetts state legislature to amend the rules for replacing an outgoing U.S. Senator. At the time, fellow Massachusetts Senator John “Flip-Flop” Kerry was running for president while the governor was GOP-man Mitt Romney.
Obviously the prospect of Romney appointing a Republican to Kerry’s potentially vacant seat was too much for Kennedy to handle. So with Kennedy’s encouragement, the law for replacement changed: a special election has to be held within 5 months of the seat becoming vacant.
That was then. This is now.
Sensing his own mortality, Senator Kennedy is seeking to change the law AGAIN. He sent a letter to Massachusetts state leaders and Democratic Governor Deval Patrick asking that the governor be allowed to appoint an interim-Senator until a special election can be held. Kennedy says:
It is vital for this commonwealth to have two voices speaking for the needs of its citizens and two votes in the Senate during the approximately five months between a vacancy and an election.
In 2004 that five months was critical to avoid the horrific possibility of having a Republican senator from Massachusetts. Now, any vacancy leaves the Democrats with one less vote in the Senate, and with Kennedy’s lifelong goal of health-care reform on the line it’s imperative that Massachusetts have two voting senators at all times. You know, because he said so.
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albusteve Tue, Aug 25, 2009 3:30:42pm |
re: #312 Sharmuta
And it (helter Skelter) really doesn't get discussed in this light, imo. I've not seen the song discussed in this regard to musical/rock history, and I think it's a shame because it really adds a new course of discussion on punk/grunge and where it started- and adding to the legend that is already The Beatles, Greatest Band Ever.
the notion is feasible...to me Helter Skelter is more layered and heavily engineered than punk music a few years later, which tended to be extemely cut down, simple, angry and political...as usual tho, who knows what the lyrics refer to
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Walter L. Newton Tue, Aug 25, 2009 3:30:47pm |
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horse Tue, Aug 25, 2009 3:31:09pm |
re: #72 Killgore Trout
The Fed is now quietly taking money out of the system
I assume this means that the worst is over and the Fed is anticipating economic growth and the inflation that goes along with it.
I hope that is so, but it doesn't look like we are actually improving yet, just getting less worse. The OMB came out with an updated forecast that GDP will shrink 2.8 percent this year. That's a big number. When we start growing again, then we can say the worst is over and we are in recovery.
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opnion Tue, Aug 25, 2009 3:31:18pm |
re: #325 NY Nana
/They could stay up all night and plot.
I swear the tent thing is just a stick in the eye.
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midwestgak Tue, Aug 25, 2009 3:31:26pm |
re: #320 NY Nana
Nana - Have you ever been to Lake George, NY?
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callahan23 Tue, Aug 25, 2009 3:31:51pm |
re: #231 NY Nana
Just check my age in my avatar! ;)
I am a potty mouth, letting it all out before my daughter and almost-3 year old (this Saturday!) grandson come here tomorrow, as daughter probably will have a roll of duct tape with her...Mandy taught me everything I know!
I also did learn a lot here on LGF.
Just recently I spoke English and out came all of these cuss-words. Neat what y'all have taught me there. ;-)
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A Man for all Seasons Tue, Aug 25, 2009 3:32:09pm |
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BatGuano Tue, Aug 25, 2009 3:33:14pm |
re: #328 Walter L. Newton
Lol. /You might be thinking of Lola
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midwestgak Tue, Aug 25, 2009 3:33:34pm |
re: #334 HoosierHoops
I have! Love it there...
I'm heading there in early October. Never been East of Erie, PA.
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Walter L. Newton Tue, Aug 25, 2009 3:34:29pm |
re: #335 BatGuano
Lol. /You might be thinking of Lola
No, I was kidding, but yea, it could have been close, meter wise.
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LGoPs Tue, Aug 25, 2009 3:34:41pm |
re: #336 midwestgak
I'm heading there in early October. Never been East of Erie, PA.
See if you can get to Lake Placid too, while you're up there. Truly beautiful.
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Sharmuta Tue, Aug 25, 2009 3:34:57pm |
re: #327 albusteve
the notion is feasible...to me Helter Skelter is more layered and heavily engineered than punk music a few years later, which tended to be extemely cut down, simple, angry and political...as usual tho, who knows what the lyrics refer to
It's much closer to grunge than punk, imo, but the history shows punk as being the forerunner to grunge. I see 'Helter Skelter' as far ahead of it's time, regardless.
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midwestgak Tue, Aug 25, 2009 3:35:29pm |
re: #338 LGoPs
See if you can get to Lake Placid too, while you're up there. Truly beautiful.
How far is it from Lake George and which direction?
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A Man for all Seasons Tue, Aug 25, 2009 3:36:01pm |
re: #336 midwestgak
I'm heading there in early October. Never been East of Erie, PA.
It's great there...They have para sailing...Tour boats...Miniature golf by the shoreline..Beautiful country...Hiking...You're just going to love it
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NY Nana Tue, Aug 25, 2009 3:37:46pm |
re: #322 HoosierHoops
Good evening Nana!
Hope you are well
And a good evening to you! Getting ready for a household invasion by the almost-3 year old grandson is the very best medicine there is on the planet! He is coming here tomorrow, and we are giving him his birthday gift, a Handy Manny tool box. He just adores him...and my daughter made the mistake of letting him hear that we got it for him, when she was talking to our son in law!
So help me, he would try to drive here from Brooklyn, over 2 bridges on his own!
I am glad, as his big party is in Brooklyn Sunday at a National Park...and the pieces could easily get lost...and I get to see his face when he opens it!
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Walter L. Newton Tue, Aug 25, 2009 3:37:50pm |
The progressive better get to work, all that boycotting and trying to shut people down isn't working very well, is it...
CABLE NEWS RACE
MONDAY, AUG. 24, 2009
FOXNEWS O'REILLY 3,440,000
FOXNEWS HANNITY 2,937,000
FOXNEWS BECK 2,810,000
FOXNEWS GRETA 2,450,000
FOXNEWS BAIER 2,066,000
FOXNEWS SHEP 1,860,000
MSNBC OLBERMANN 1,114,000
CNN KING 1,063,000
MSNBC MADDOW 885,000
CNN COOPER 827,000
MSNBC HARDBALL 640,000
I guess they may have to try some new tactic, maybe the Fairness To Us bill or something.
LOL
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NY Nana Tue, Aug 25, 2009 3:38:29pm |
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BatGuano Tue, Aug 25, 2009 3:40:02pm |
re: #337 Walter L. Newton
Hmmm. Now that I think about it , Groucho was a little Kinky.
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albusteve Tue, Aug 25, 2009 3:40:25pm |
re: #339 Sharmuta
It's much closer to grunge than punk, imo, but the history shows punk as being the forerunner to grunge. I see 'Helter Skelter' as far ahead of it's time, regardless.
I reread what I posted and I described Helter Skelter pretty much as punk...loud, crude etc...haha!...I think you may be right...maybe more musically complex but the same really...and yes the Beatles were everything they say and more...amazing thinking back about the White album...all the little filler songs nobody would pay much attention to, like Dear Prudence, Martha My Dear...stuff like that...most of the record is like that
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opnion Tue, Aug 25, 2009 3:41:19pm |
re: #345 Walter L. Newton
The progressive better get to work, all that boycotting and trying to shut people down isn't working very well, is it...
CABLE NEWS RACE
MONDAY, AUG. 24, 2009FOXNEWS O'REILLY 3,440,000
FOXNEWS HANNITY 2,937,000
FOXNEWS BECK 2,810,000
FOXNEWS GRETA 2,450,000
FOXNEWS BAIER 2,066,000
FOXNEWS SHEP 1,860,000
MSNBC OLBERMANN 1,114,000
CNN KING 1,063,000
MSNBC MADDOW 885,000
CNN COOPER 827,000
MSNBC HARDBALL 640,000I guess they may have to try some new tactic, maybe the Fairness To Us bill or something.
LOL
Man Chris Mattews has nothing going on. You could hide people in Witness Protection on that show>
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BatGuano Tue, Aug 25, 2009 3:44:39pm |
re: #348 albusteve
Steve, Punk is basically three chord rock. You can't expect punkers to be as sophisticated as the Beatles. The Beatles (and George Martin) were way ahead of everyone.
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albusteve Tue, Aug 25, 2009 3:46:24pm |
re: #351 BatGuano
Steve, Punk is basically three chord rock. You can't expect punkers to be as sophisticated as the Beatles. The Beatles (and George Martin) were way ahead of everyone.
I didn't expect them to...I made a comparison
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spinmore Tue, Aug 25, 2009 3:47:21pm |
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LGoPs Tue, Aug 25, 2009 3:48:06pm |
re: #341 midwestgak
How far is it from Lake George and which direction?
It's due north of Lake George - not sure of the distance but probably no more than a couple of hours. I spent some time there some years back when I was working at Ft Drum, NY - well placed to protect us from the Canadian menace, btw...:).
They had the Winter Olympics at Placid back in the '60's or early '70's IIRC.
All of the Adirondacks are beautiful, especially in the fall. I envy your trip. Have a safe one.
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albusteve Tue, Aug 25, 2009 3:49:20pm |
re: #356 LGoPs
It's due north of Lake George - not sure of the distance but probably no more than a couple of hours. I spent some time there some years back when I was working at Ft Drum, NY - well placed to protect us from the Canadian menace, btw...:).
They had the Winter Olympics at Placid back in the '60's or early '70's IIRC.
All of the Adirondacks are beautiful, especially in the fall. I envy your trip. Have a safe one.
1980...when the US won the hockey gold
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LGoPs Tue, Aug 25, 2009 3:49:41pm |
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spinmore Tue, Aug 25, 2009 3:50:03pm |
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Truck Monkey Tue, Aug 25, 2009 3:51:58pm |
re: #336 midwestgak
I'm heading there in early October. Never been East of Erie, PA.
It's pretty much miles and miles of asphalt and concrete once you get east of Chambersburg PA. I haven't seen a tree in 3 years. ;-)
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Kragar Tue, Aug 25, 2009 3:53:00pm |
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BatGuano Tue, Aug 25, 2009 3:54:54pm |
re: #353 albusteve
I didn't expect them to...I made a comparison
I went back and found your earlier post. In any case I was agreeing with you. I meant no harm. And you are spot on about he filler songs. t is still my favorite Beatles album.I would not presume to school you or anyone else on the the Beatles.
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Charles Johnson Tue, Aug 25, 2009 3:55:09pm |
Woohoo. Just got my copy of Logic Studio, and hooked up some gear to start messing around with music on my Mac again.
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A Man for all Seasons Tue, Aug 25, 2009 3:57:32pm |
re: #364 Charles
Woohoo. Just got my copy of Logic Studio, and hooked up some gear to start messing around with music on my Mac again.
I like Cakewalk studio...It's fun to play with...
Just call me Doctor Mix-a-lot...Wait I think that is taken...:)
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Danny Tue, Aug 25, 2009 3:58:46pm |
re: #364 Charles
So, should we start calling you "Icarus" again?
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The Shadow Do Tue, Aug 25, 2009 3:58:49pm |
Mixed emotions from Bosox fans? My Rangers are about to start a three game with the mighty Yanks.
Whose that looming large in your rearview Mr/Ms Redsox?
Should be fun ya'll
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Empire1 Tue, Aug 25, 2009 3:59:13pm |
Ludwig vQ, are you still around? IIRC, you're a math teacher, and I could use some advice, if so.
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LGoPs Tue, Aug 25, 2009 4:00:21pm |
re: #345 Walter L. Newton
The progressive better get to work, all that boycotting and trying to shut people down isn't working very well, is it...
CABLE NEWS RACE
MONDAY, AUG. 24, 2009FOXNEWS O'REILLY 3,440,000
FOXNEWS HANNITY 2,937,000
FOXNEWS BECK 2,810,000
FOXNEWS GRETA 2,450,000
FOXNEWS BAIER 2,066,000
FOXNEWS SHEP 1,860,000
MSNBC OLBERMANN 1,114,000
CNN KING 1,063,000
MSNBC MADDOW 885,000
CNN COOPER 827,000
MSNBC HARDBALL 640,000I guess they may have to try some new tactic, maybe the Fairness To Us bill or something.
LOL
MWAHAHAHAHA.
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itellu3times Tue, Aug 25, 2009 4:00:39pm |
re: #72 Killgore Trout
The Fed is now quietly taking money out of the system
I assume this means that the worst is over and the Fed is anticipating economic growth and the inflation that goes along with it.
Well, this is good news, that the fed has reduced their new bubble from 10x the original bubble money supply to "only" 8x. Somehow I'm not ready to break out the champagne, however.
And remember, the fed is *trying* to reignite inflation as a way to monetize all these underwater mortgages. So far they have failed. Like pushing on a stuck door, pushing harder and harder, until ... splat!
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callahan23 Tue, Aug 25, 2009 4:01:32pm |
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Walter L. Newton Tue, Aug 25, 2009 4:01:37pm |
re: #364 Charles
Woohoo. Just got my copy of Logic Studio, and hooked up some gear to start messing around with music on my Mac again.
That brings up a question. Do you do anything with your music anymore? Jam with friends, play for your own pleasure or an occasional paying gig?
Just wondering. I played steady for 12 years, but now a days, I don't get the same fun from trying to gig around, I have tried a few times in the last 15 years.
Is music still a "public" thing with you, or is it just you, your ax and your favorite CD's.
I'm not fishing for personal info, just wondering. This is a serious question.
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albusteve Tue, Aug 25, 2009 4:02:31pm |
re: #363 BatGuano
I went back and found your earlier post. In any case I was agreeing with you. I meant no harm. And you are spot on about he filler songs. t is still my favorite Beatles album.I would not presume to school you or anyone else on the the Beatles.
no harm at all...sorry if I sounded blunt...and you can school me all you want, I just a fan, certainly not an expert...
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A Man for all Seasons Tue, Aug 25, 2009 4:07:16pm |
re: #367 Danny
So, should we start calling you "Icarus" again?
When I was a kid in school we started a little band...We were crap but a least could play somewhat 3 chord and sing...
I decided I needed a cool nick name( All guitists need one)
...So in 7th grade I called myself... Billy Ray Missle
I still think It's the coolest nicname for a guitar player in the whole world...
I still got old buddies when I talk to them after all these years...It's hey Missle boy..what up? I'm proud of that...I spent hours in my bedroom trying to think of a really cool nic name...
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Charles Johnson Tue, Aug 25, 2009 4:07:29pm |
re: #373 Walter L. Newton
That brings up a question. Do you do anything with your music anymore? Jam with friends, play for your own pleasure or an occasional paying gig?
It's been a while since I've played publicly. When it isn't the main source of income, the motivation to lug all that crap around, do rehearsals, hang out at weird hours, etc. just isn't there.
Now that the technology of computer music recording has advanced so much though, I'm just having fun with it and seeing what comes out.
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mikalm Tue, Aug 25, 2009 4:09:27pm |
Funny...all this talk about The White Album, and not a single mention of "Revolution 9" -- probably the first noise/industrial "song" on a Top 40 album.
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Walter L. Newton Tue, Aug 25, 2009 4:11:16pm |
re: #376 Charles
It's been a while since I've played publicly. When it isn't the main source of income, the motivation to lug all that crap around, do rehearsals, hang out at weird hours, etc. just isn't there.
Now that the technology of computer music recording has advanced so much though, I'm just having fun with it and seeing what comes out.
LOL. Ok, that's about as close to the truth as I could possibly ask for, because that's about where I come from. As a keyboard player, there is just no way I want to drag the stuff out just for an off and on gig anymore. And all the "party" part is just not me anymore.
Thanks for the answer.
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wrenchwench Tue, Aug 25, 2009 4:12:15pm |
It's not just Glenn Beck who recommends Cleon Skousen:
"Read that book. Read this book," he says, gesturing toward the nearby table. I see something from Weight Watchers and a Harry Potter paperback—but the governor is referring to the "The Road to Serfdom" by Frederick Hayek and "The 5000 Year Leap" by W. Cleon Skousen. "Read Amity Shlaes's 'The Forgotten Man.' Amity's book is very eye-opening—scary—for me."
Sorry, it's the subscription-requiring WSJ.
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Vicious Babushka Tue, Aug 25, 2009 4:12:15pm |
re: #377 mikalm
Funny...all this talk about The White Album, and not a single mention of "Revolution 9" -- probably the first noise/industrial "song" on a Top 40 album.
I might not be popular for saying this, but there was a lot of crap on "The White Album." It was released when the Beatles were at the top of their career and "more popular than Jesus" and they knew that they could release any old shit and people would buy it anyway.
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mikalm Tue, Aug 25, 2009 4:12:34pm |
re: #378 BatGuano
Number 9, number 9, number 9...
Yup -- way ahead of its time. A decade passed before ultra-avant/underground groups like Throbbing Gristle came up with comparable stuff.
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NY Nana Tue, Aug 25, 2009 4:12:41pm |
re: #365 BatGuano
Hey, seriously, Barry Manilow is the first cousin of my first cousin's ex, and he is the nicest guy...he is like an uncle to her sons, and is still a part of the family. We were his guests, years ago, at a theatre in Manhattan, and he invited us into his dressing room after the show. It was quite a feeling to see all the celebs waiting to talk to him look at NY Grampa and me, as we were led in first! He really has no airs about him, and is very generous to charities.
We chatted about the kids, family, etc. His mother zt"l was a pistol! ;)
We haven't seen him since, as he does not live in NY...but that he is now a great uncle to my cousin's grandchildren?
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albusteve Tue, Aug 25, 2009 4:12:46pm |
re: #377 mikalm
Funny...all this talk about The White Album, and not a single mention of "Revolution 9" -- probably the first noise/industrial "song" on a Top 40 album.
I really don't know what the point of that is...it's not music
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Ben G. Hazi Tue, Aug 25, 2009 4:12:48pm |
re: #222 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
GAZA: Has Hamas unofficially imposed Islamic dress code on students?
"And we'll have our thugs beat the living shit out of anyone who suggests otherwise."
They're just getting the girls ready for those immortal words, which they will hear every time they contemplate getting "uppity" towards their Muslim "betters" (all males, especially their future husbands):
"Back in the bag, b**ch!"
/I wish I were kidding...
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albusteve Tue, Aug 25, 2009 4:13:45pm |
re: #379 Walter L. Newton
LOL. Ok, that's about as close to the truth as I could possibly ask for, because that's about where I come from. As a keyboard player, there is just no way I want to drag the stuff out just for an off and on gig anymore. And all the "party" part is just not me anymore.
Thanks for the answer.
load in
load out
repeat
repeat
etc
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Charles Johnson Tue, Aug 25, 2009 4:13:47pm |
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itellu3times Tue, Aug 25, 2009 4:13:52pm |
re: #377 mikalm
Funny...all this talk about The White Album, and not a single mention of "Revolution 9" -- probably the first noise/industrial "song" on a Top 40 album.
Welcome to the Soft Parade ... nope, White Album came first.
Tho I'm not sure either is exactly industrial technopop like came later.
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albusteve Tue, Aug 25, 2009 4:15:01pm |
re: #382 mikalm
Yup -- way ahead of its time. A decade passed before ultra-avant/underground groups like Throbbing Gristle came up with comparable stuff.
Throbbing Gristle could do that stuff?...amazing...pass the Red Stripe!
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wrenchwench Tue, Aug 25, 2009 4:15:45pm |
re: #387 Charles
Oops, I forgot to say it was Rick Perry! I wasn't going for the suspense!
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NY Nana Tue, Aug 25, 2009 4:16:43pm |
Yipes! Forgot about something called 'dinner'...NY Grampa looks so sad!
BBL!
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mikalm Tue, Aug 25, 2009 4:17:23pm |
re: #389 albusteve
Throbbing Gristle could do that stuff?...amazing...pass the Red Stripe!
I mean more in terms of blurring the lines between "noise" and "music".
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BatGuano Tue, Aug 25, 2009 4:18:44pm |
re: #383 NY Nana
I don't doubt that he's a great guy. Murphy Brown acknowledged that! And his first hit, "Mandy", still has place in my heart. :)
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albusteve Tue, Aug 25, 2009 4:18:46pm |
ultra avantundergroung industrialnoise technopop...okay, got it
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Walter L. Newton Tue, Aug 25, 2009 4:19:44pm |
re: #386 albusteve
load in
load out
repeat
repeat
etc
That's what I do now.
Show closes
Strike set
Load new set in
Build new set
one week tech and dress
open show
six-seven weeks later
repeat.
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Empire1 Tue, Aug 25, 2009 4:20:54pm |
#372 callahan23: Thanks! "Reply" kicks me out to the front page, so I hope you see this anyway. Ludwig vQ: In case you're still reading, I'd like your advice on a good way to study math, on my own, for mental exercise. I don't need it for anything, and doubt I'll ever have any use for it, for that matter, but it's probably the best mental exercise there is. By your standards, I'm probably hopelessly ignorant, but if you'd be willing to give me at least a starting point, I'd be grateful. Aside from looking up and using a few trig formulas, the last math I've done beyond arithmetic is two not-very-good years of algebra and one disastrous one of plane geometry forty-ump years ago in HS. How can I get started? Can't afford the time or money to take college extension courses (plus can't drive in the dark, and they're all at night), so it's DIY.
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albusteve Tue, Aug 25, 2009 4:22:23pm |
re: #392 mikalm
I mean more in terms of blurring the lines between "noise" and "music".
Barry Manilow is noise...Rolling Stones are music
pretty simple
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albusteve Tue, Aug 25, 2009 4:26:10pm |
re: #395 Walter L. Newton
That's what I do now.
Show closes
Strike set
Load new set in
Build new set
one week tech and dress
open show
six-seven weeks later
repeat.
we are all robots...actually I'd give anything to do what you're doing right now...
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BatGuano Tue, Aug 25, 2009 4:27:39pm |
re: #399 BatGuano
My post froze up. Here is what t should have read:
Hi, Alouete. Your still popular with me. We have a difference of opinion but that is one of the things I like about LGF. :)
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debutaunt Tue, Aug 25, 2009 4:29:12pm |
AP - In a chilling forecast, the White House is predicting a 10-year federal deficit of $9 trillion — more than the sum of all previous deficits since America's founding. And it says by the next decade's end the national debt will equal three-quarters of the entire U.S. economy.
Good lord.
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spinmore Tue, Aug 25, 2009 4:30:43pm |
re: #402 debutaunt
AP - In a chilling forecast, the White House is predicting a 10-year federal deficit of $9 trillion � more than the sum of all previous deficits since America's founding. And it says by the next decade's end the national debt will equal three-quarters of the entire U.S. economy.
Good lord.
It's Bush's fault.
sarc
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Noam Sayin' Tue, Aug 25, 2009 4:30:47pm |
re: #402 debutaunt
Yeah, but most of it is Bush's fault.
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BatGuano Tue, Aug 25, 2009 4:31:39pm |
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albusteve Tue, Aug 25, 2009 4:31:55pm |
re: #381 Alouette
I might not be popular for saying this, but there was a lot of crap on "The White Album." It was released when the Beatles were at the top of their career and "more popular than Jesus" and they knew that they could release any old shit and people would buy it anyway.
it was not any old shit to them, and a few songs were less than great but no crap...it was not recorded to make money necessarily, but to get all those old tracks down...and most people had forgotten the 'Jesus' reference from two years before
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Danny Tue, Aug 25, 2009 4:33:04pm |
re: #402 debutaunt
It's ok, the reduced waste and greater govt efficiency will more than offset the deficit.
\
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albusteve Tue, Aug 25, 2009 4:33:21pm |
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solomonpanting Tue, Aug 25, 2009 4:33:50pm |
re: #402 debutaunt
AP - In a chilling forecast, the White House is predicting a 10-year federal deficit of $9 trillion — more than the sum of all previous deficits since America's founding. And it says by the next decade's end the national debt will equal three-quarters of the entire U.S. economy.
Good lord.
I want to spread the wealth around.
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wrenchwench Tue, Aug 25, 2009 4:34:17pm |
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BatGuano Tue, Aug 25, 2009 4:34:34pm |
re: #411 Floral Giraffe
You roomba, robot?
Yes, stroke me on my carapace and I will clean your floor ( I don't do windows).
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Lucius Septimius Tue, Aug 25, 2009 4:34:44pm |
Dinner finished - nice batch of sausage and peppers over penne. And someone else is cleaning up.
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Lucius Septimius Tue, Aug 25, 2009 4:35:28pm |
The Roomba is the greatest invention since sliced bread. And it provides endless entertainment for the kids.
Now if only they'd make one that would serve me drinks.
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Lucius Septimius Tue, Aug 25, 2009 4:35:43pm |
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BatGuano Tue, Aug 25, 2009 4:36:20pm |
re: #417 Lucius Septimius
I? Robot? Sorry. A bridge too far.
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Killgore Trout Tue, Aug 25, 2009 4:36:36pm |
re: #419 Lucius Septimius
I really want one. I can't wait until it's within my budget.
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Lucius Septimius Tue, Aug 25, 2009 4:37:50pm |
re: #424 Killgore Trout
I really want one. I can't wait until it's within my budget.
You can get them reconditioned for less money -- that's how we got ours. It is a godsend when it comes to cat hair. Be sure to order the optional "pet hair" brushes.
| 426 |
A Man for all Seasons Tue, Aug 25, 2009 4:39:05pm |
re: #415 wrenchwench
¡Ay, robot!
The great despair of man is when he thinks he is nothing more than a robot..
The great achievement is when he doesn't act like one...
| 427 |
BatGuano Tue, Aug 25, 2009 4:39:43pm |
re: #425 Lucius Septimius
Good tip. Especially the cat hair thing. My wife has two long haired white cats.
I wanted a dog.
| 429 |
Lucius Septimius Tue, Aug 25, 2009 4:40:09pm |
re: #422 BatGuano
I? Robot? Sorry. A bridge too far.
| 430 |
Lucius Septimius Tue, Aug 25, 2009 4:40:41pm |
re: #428 buzzsawmonkey
Jimmy Carter was threatened by a killer robot. Or something like that.
It was named Rosalyn, iirc.
| 431 |
Soona' Tue, Aug 25, 2009 4:41:06pm |
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BatGuano Tue, Aug 25, 2009 4:41:44pm |
re: #428 buzzsawmonkey
Jimmy Carter was threatened by a killer robot. Or something like that.
It was a rabbit, Emily, not a Robot.
Emily: Nevermind!
| 433 |
albusteve Tue, Aug 25, 2009 4:42:03pm |
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Racer X Tue, Aug 25, 2009 4:42:37pm |
re: #364 Charles
Woohoo. Just got my copy of Logic Studio, and hooked up some gear to start messing around with music on my Mac again.
You're gonna post a .wav file of that gnarly solo you been working on right?
| 435 |
Lucius Septimius Tue, Aug 25, 2009 4:42:50pm |
re: #433 albusteve
vicious looking plungers...are your neighbors turds?
Oh no -- that's for cleaning out the toilets. They're really helpful.
As for the neighbors, they're moonbats.
| 436 |
yochanan Tue, Aug 25, 2009 4:43:07pm |
re: #428 buzzsawmonkey
Jimmy Carter was threatened by a killer
robot.RABBIT Or something like that.
| 438 |
Cato the Elder Tue, Aug 25, 2009 4:45:31pm |
Great cover. Complete with left-handed guitar!
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Walter L. Newton Tue, Aug 25, 2009 4:46:13pm |
re: #400 albusteve
we are all robots...actually I'd give anything to do what you're doing right now...
And I'm getting tired of it. I was hoping for the theatre job to be temporary while I was still looking for a programming job. Well, two years later, no IT job. I'm not complaining, but I would jump ship in a minute.
| 440 |
yochanan Tue, Aug 25, 2009 4:46:22pm |
| 442 |
Lucius Septimius Tue, Aug 25, 2009 4:47:26pm |
re: #441 yochanan
can you see dhimmi carter getting some 'tail
I just threw up in my mouth a little.
| 443 |
yochanan Tue, Aug 25, 2009 4:47:44pm |
re: #437 Lucius Septimius
spelling marms will be shot at dawn.
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aboo-Hoo-Hoo Tue, Aug 25, 2009 4:48:06pm |
...Hahaha. Our Pauper-of-Pieces?
| 445 |
Soona' Tue, Aug 25, 2009 4:48:25pm |
| 446 |
BatGuano Tue, Aug 25, 2009 4:49:48pm |
re: #440 yochanan
The White Album:
Trying to make a dove-tail joint-yeah
Looking through a glass onion
| 448 |
CyanSnowHawk Tue, Aug 25, 2009 4:50:39pm |
| 449 |
albusteve Tue, Aug 25, 2009 4:50:46pm |
re: #438 Cato the Elder
Great cover. Complete with left-handed guitar!
was hoping O'Brian would burn his mandolin...oh well
| 450 |
albusteve Tue, Aug 25, 2009 4:51:34pm |
re: #439 Walter L. Newton
And I'm getting tired of it. I was hoping for the theatre job to be temporary while I was still looking for a programming job. Well, two years later, no IT job. I'm not complaining, but I would jump ship in a minute.
hang in there...you may get a curveball anytime...who knows
| 451 |
solomonpanting Tue, Aug 25, 2009 4:51:57pm |
| 452 |
itellu3times Tue, Aug 25, 2009 4:52:10pm |
re: #402 debutaunt
AP - In a chilling forecast, the White House is predicting a 10-year federal deficit of $9 trillion — more than the sum of all previous deficits since America's founding. And it says by the next decade's end the national debt will equal three-quarters of the entire U.S. economy.
Good lord.
$7t, $9t, does it matter?
| 453 |
albusteve Tue, Aug 25, 2009 4:52:56pm |
re: #446 BatGuano
The White Album:
Trying to make a dove-tail joint-yeah
Looking through a glass onion
the wall rus was Paul
| 454 |
BatGuano Tue, Aug 25, 2009 4:54:10pm |
re: #453 albusteve
"Well here's another clue for you all,
The walrus was Paul."
| 455 |
Killgore Trout Tue, Aug 25, 2009 4:54:46pm |
Update on the Nirthers...
Trent Franks Is Signing on to the ‘Birther Bill’
Bethany Haley, a spokeswoman for Rep. Trent Franks (R-Ariz.), has told WorldNetDaily that her boss is more interested in the conspiracy theories about Barack Obama’s birth than he had previously let on. Yesterday, Haley said that Franks had been convinced of Obama’s citizenship but wanted to see the proof anyway. Today, Haley says that Franks actually considered pursuing the “birther” conspiracy theories in 2008.
...
Haley also told WND that Franks “today joined the list of supporters of the demand for proof from future candidate.” The congressman is not yet listed as a co-sponsor of Posey’s H.R. 1503 at GovTrack or Thomas, and I’ve put in a call to check this out.
It's official.
| 457 |
LGoPs Tue, Aug 25, 2009 4:55:24pm |
re: #428 buzzsawmonkey
Jimmy Carter was threatened by a killer robot. Or something like that.
Hare!, Hare!. Huzzah!
| 458 |
yochanan Tue, Aug 25, 2009 4:55:26pm |
vote on your fav. marxist
1. groucho
2. harpo
3. cicko
4. karl
| 459 |
aboo-Hoo-Hoo Tue, Aug 25, 2009 4:55:34pm |
| 460 |
Lucius Septimius Tue, Aug 25, 2009 4:56:12pm |
re: #458 yochanan
vote on your fav. marxist
1. groucho
2. harpo
3. cicko
4. karl
You left out Gummo and Zeppo.
| 461 |
albusteve Tue, Aug 25, 2009 4:56:38pm |
| 462 |
Walter L. Newton Tue, Aug 25, 2009 4:57:02pm |
BB later.
Going to drop the child-unit off at rehearsal (she is in a young adult theatre group) and then the girlfriend and I are going to talk a walk in one of our open spaces. Rocky Mountain High.
| 463 |
yochanan Tue, Aug 25, 2009 4:57:11pm |
| 464 |
Cato the Elder Tue, Aug 25, 2009 4:57:25pm |
| 465 |
Racer X Tue, Aug 25, 2009 4:57:39pm |
re: #402 debutaunt
AP - In a chilling forecast, the White House is predicting a 10-year federal deficit of $9 trillion — more than the sum of all previous deficits since America's founding. And it says by the next decade's end the national debt will equal three-quarters of the entire U.S. economy.
Good lord.
You think that is bad? Just 3 months ago Obama's white house predicted the deficit would only be about $4 Trillion. So in 3 months the deficit has TRIPLED.
Now ask yourself - how accurate do you think the $9 TRILLION prediction is? Based on ANY government forecast in the past, it seems to me the deficit will be closer to $12-15 TRILLION.
Can you say depression?
| 466 |
yochanan Tue, Aug 25, 2009 4:58:02pm |
re: #454 BatGuano
"Well here's another clue for you all,
The walrus was Ron Paul."
| 467 |
Gus Tue, Aug 25, 2009 4:58:10pm |
re: #455 Killgore Trout
Update on the Nirthers...
Trent Franks Is Signing on to the ‘Birther Bill’It's official.
Here's the official sponsor:
Rep. Bill Posey [R-FL15]
And co-sponsors thus far:
Marsha Blackburn [R-TN7]
Dan Burton [R-IN5]
John Campbell [R-CA48]
John Carter [R-TX31]
John Culberson [R-TX7]
Louis Gohmert [R-TX1]
Robert Goodlatte [R-VA6]
Kenny Marchant [R-TX24]
Randy Neugebauer [R-TX19]
Ted Poe [R-TX2]
[Link: www.govtrack.us...]
| 468 |
albusteve Tue, Aug 25, 2009 4:58:10pm |
| 469 |
The Shadow Do Tue, Aug 25, 2009 4:58:19pm |
Walter, the company I worked for just put a couple of trainers in place. One was a theatre major. I always wondered what one did with a theatre major (much like a philosophy major). Seems they become trainers since that requires a little knowledge of drama and audience manipulation to be effective.
Just a thought.
| 470 |
solomonpanting Tue, Aug 25, 2009 4:59:35pm |
re: #464 Cato the Elder
Enjambment happens so quickly.
You might just be on the threshhold of ...of...of...a dream.
| 471 |
Mad Al-Jaffee Tue, Aug 25, 2009 4:59:38pm |
re: #114 Sharmuta
I love when one piece of music is translated into another style of music and sounds so fresh. For me, it speaks to the quality and strength of the composer, and ability and courage of the musicians to give it a new perspective.
Great video.
Check out the Asylum Street Spankers. They do acoustic covers of the b-52s "Dance This Mess Around" and Black Flag's "TV Party." They even have a song called "Hick-Hock" which combines country with gangsta rap.
| 472 |
TheMatrix31 Tue, Aug 25, 2009 5:00:37pm |
re: #402 debutaunt
AP - In a chilling forecast, the White House is predicting a 10-year federal deficit of $9 trillion — more than the sum of all previous deficits since America's founding. And it says by the next decade's end the national debt will equal three-quarters of the entire U.S. economy.
Good lord.
Jesus.
| 474 |
Killgore Trout Tue, Aug 25, 2009 5:01:24pm |
re: #467 Gus 802
What a waste of time and energy. It's never going to pass, they're just showboating for the nuts.
| 475 |
A Man for all Seasons Tue, Aug 25, 2009 5:01:40pm |
| 476 |
solomonpanting Tue, Aug 25, 2009 5:01:45pm |
| 477 |
LGoPs Tue, Aug 25, 2009 5:01:58pm |
| 478 |
Gella Tue, Aug 25, 2009 5:01:59pm |
| 479 |
albusteve Tue, Aug 25, 2009 5:02:11pm |
re: #470 solomonpanting
You might just be on the threshhold of ...of...of...a dream.
well it is Tuesday afternoon
| 480 |
TheMatrix31 Tue, Aug 25, 2009 5:02:12pm |
McCain Says Obama Respects Constitution
I guess the old man may be going senile, because I distinctly recall Obama saying the Constitution is flawed.
| 481 |
Racer X Tue, Aug 25, 2009 5:03:25pm |
re: #471 Mad Al-Jaffee
Check out the Asylum Street Spankers. They do acoustic covers of the b-52s "Dance This Mess Around" and Black Flag's "TV Party." They even have a song called "Hick-Hock" which combines country with gangsta rap.
Thats some weird shit Maynard.
Asylum Street Spankers - Hick Hop
| 482 |
Gus Tue, Aug 25, 2009 5:03:33pm |
re: #474 Killgore Trout
What a waste of time and energy. It's never going to pass, they're just showboating for the nuts.
Yeah, it might as well be another bill sponsored by Ron Paul. Of course, that might mean it gets more co-sponsorship with that bandwagon.
| 483 |
albusteve Tue, Aug 25, 2009 5:04:13pm |
| 484 |
SpaceJesus Tue, Aug 25, 2009 5:04:13pm |
free republic is no demanding that obama show us his penis in order to prove he isn't circumsized and hence not american.
[Link: patriotboy.blogspot.com...]
| 485 |
albusteve Tue, Aug 25, 2009 5:05:22pm |
re: #474 Killgore Trout
What a waste of time and energy. It's never going to pass, they're just showboating for the nuts.
grandstanding is what the House minority does
| 486 |
Soona' Tue, Aug 25, 2009 5:06:14pm |
| 488 |
BatGuano Tue, Aug 25, 2009 5:06:19pm |
re: #480 TheMatrix31
I heard the old fossil say it live: He's just "reaching across the aisle, friends".
| 489 |
windhorse Tue, Aug 25, 2009 5:07:09pm |
re: #484 spacejesus
is anyone reaching across the aisle so to speak?
| 490 |
Racer X Tue, Aug 25, 2009 5:07:14pm |
re: #484 spacejesus
free republic is no demanding that obama show us his penis in order to prove he isn't circumsized and hence not american.
[Link: patriotboy.blogspot.com...]
The stupid - it burns.
| 491 |
Killgore Trout Tue, Aug 25, 2009 5:07:26pm |
MSNBC's Contessa Brewer explores extremist rhetoric and right-wing violence
Tuesday August 25
| 492 |
A Man for all Seasons Tue, Aug 25, 2009 5:07:32pm |
re: #478 Gella
thanks, i am well and how are u?
That is great...I've been outside a lot today during the blazing heat in Indiana.. Working the suntan...
You ever get that feeling when the sun goes down you have over done it?
You cook eggs on my skin tonight...*wink*
| 494 |
jcm Tue, Aug 25, 2009 5:07:55pm |
re: #484 spacejesus
free republic is no demanding that obama show us his penis in order to prove he isn't circumsized and hence not american.
[Link: patriotboy.blogspot.com...]
Boxers or briefs was a slippery slope...
| 495 |
CyanSnowHawk Tue, Aug 25, 2009 5:08:12pm |
| 496 |
Soona' Tue, Aug 25, 2009 5:08:39pm |
re: #480 TheMatrix31
McCain Says Obama Respects Constitution
I guess the old man may be going senile, because I distinctly recall Obama saying the Constitution is flawed.
God. McCain. McCain! GO AWAY!
| 497 |
Racer X Tue, Aug 25, 2009 5:08:48pm |
| 498 |
Mad Al-Jaffee Tue, Aug 25, 2009 5:09:12pm |
re: #481 Racer X
[Video]
Yeah, I meant Hick-Hop. They're a great band. I've heard they've been more tolerable politically lately since one of their very liberal founding members is on maternity leave. I used to be in a band with one of their guitarists. He left DC for Austin about 6 years ago to play with them.
| 499 |
aboo-Hoo-Hoo Tue, Aug 25, 2009 5:09:35pm |
re: #480 TheMatrix31
McCain Says Obama Respects Constitution
I guess the old man may be going senile, because I distinctly recall Obama saying the Constitution is flawed.
Ferget what you know or remember. Hell, McCain coulda' meant the Constitution only needed a bit of upgrading.
...one of those across-the-aisle thingy's.
| 500 |
callahan23 Tue, Aug 25, 2009 5:09:39pm |
It is late, sleep is fast approaching.
- - -
Gals 'n guys, Lizards and 'menschen'.
See y'all down the road.
I love you {Lizardim) - mostly. Really!
| 501 |
Killgore Trout Tue, Aug 25, 2009 5:09:47pm |
Leftist outrage?
1 suspect in custody following Dem HQ vandalism in Denver
Maurice Schwenkler wore a shirt over his face, a hooded sweat shirt and latex gloves before he and another man fled the scene on bicycles, police said. Schwenkler was apprehended after a short chase. The other suspect remains at large.
While Schwenkler does not appear in the state's voter registration database, a person by that name in November 2008 received $500 from a political 527 committee called Colorado Citizens Coalition for "communications," according to campaign finance disclosures.
The accountant or the 527 appears to be the same woman who handles the books for many other Democratic-leaning political committees.
A Maurice Schwenkler also signed an online 2005 petition to free anti-war Christian protesters who were captured in Iraq.
State Democratic Party Chairwoman Pat Waak initially blamed the vandalism on animosity surrounding the health care debate, though Denver police declined to comment on possible motives.
| 502 |
Killgore Trout Tue, Aug 25, 2009 5:10:28pm |
re: #497 Racer X
Call your doctor if a scandal lasts for more that 4 hours.
| 503 |
Gella Tue, Aug 25, 2009 5:10:30pm |
crazy PETA just went overboard, again
Image: peta_whale_billboard.jpeg
| 504 |
ted Tue, Aug 25, 2009 5:11:21pm |
Awesome track, Charles: Taking on "Hey Joe" is risky...they did a great job.
| 505 |
Racer X Tue, Aug 25, 2009 5:11:31pm |
re: #502 Killgore Trout
Call your doctor if a scandal lasts for more that 4 hours.
I suspect their will be stiff opposition to this latest request.
| 506 |
jcm Tue, Aug 25, 2009 5:11:59pm |
Stimulus Checks Mistakenly Sent to 1,700 Inmates, Federal Agency Says
The federal government mistakenly sent out stimulus checks to 1,700 inmates, the Social Security Administration said Tuesday -- a $425,000 error.Social Security spokesman Dan Moraski told FOXNews.com in a written statement that the money went out because official records "did not accurately reflect that they were in prison."
Government wants control of medical records too!
| 507 |
solomonpanting Tue, Aug 25, 2009 5:12:03pm |
re: #503 Gella
crazy PETA just went overboard, again
[Link: cdn.airamerica.com...]
You should know PETA respects only animals.
| 508 |
Erik The Red Tue, Aug 25, 2009 5:12:32pm |
Good Evening Lizards. I took the family out to see the Shuttle launch early this morning. Scrubbed at t-minus 9 minutes due to the weather. Was planning on giving it another go tonight/tomorrow morning. The launch has been delayed due to mechanical problems with the refueling system. Will have to wait and see when NASA reschedules.
| 509 |
Gella Tue, Aug 25, 2009 5:12:49pm |
re: #507 solomonpanting
You should know PETA respects only animals.
yes, i know, PETA hates humans
PETA = people eating tasty animal
| 510 |
wrenchwench Tue, Aug 25, 2009 5:13:27pm |
re: #500 callahan23
'Nite, Callahan. Thanks for all the Karma!
| 511 |
SpaceJesus Tue, Aug 25, 2009 5:13:44pm |
| 512 |
BatGuano Tue, Aug 25, 2009 5:13:58pm |
re: #491 Killgore Trout
Contessa, my favorite journalist.
/
| 513 |
Erik The Red Tue, Aug 25, 2009 5:14:39pm |
re: #500 callahan23
It is late, sleep is fast approaching.
- - -
Gals 'n guys, Lizards and 'menschen'.
See y'all down the road.
I love you {Lizardim) - mostly. Really!
Later Cal23
| 514 |
albusteve Tue, Aug 25, 2009 5:14:40pm |
re: #491 Killgore Trout
MSNBC's Contessa Brewer explores extremist rhetoric and right-wing violence
Tuesday August 25
[Video]
not interested until they have grenades and rocket launchers
| 516 |
LGoPs Tue, Aug 25, 2009 5:14:43pm |
| 517 |
windhorse Tue, Aug 25, 2009 5:14:51pm |
one does wonder... is it required that you be a complete fucking idiot to work for the government?
| 518 |
itellu3times Tue, Aug 25, 2009 5:15:28pm |
| 519 |
CyanSnowHawk Tue, Aug 25, 2009 5:15:36pm |
re: #511 SpaceJesus
this is just the tip of the iceberg i bet
They need to bris this one in the bud.
| 521 |
Killgore Trout Tue, Aug 25, 2009 5:15:41pm |
re: #512 BatGuano
Google the preacher. He's a Paulian-NWO conspiracy nut. Even got a speaking gig at his local tea Party.
| 522 |
LGoPs Tue, Aug 25, 2009 5:15:46pm |
re: #517 windhorse
one does wonder... is it required that you be a complete fucking idiot to work for the government?
No, but it's considered a plus.
/
| 523 |
Gus Tue, Aug 25, 2009 5:16:03pm |
re: #480 TheMatrix31
McCain Says Obama Respects Constitution
I guess the old man may be going senile, because I distinctly recall Obama saying the Constitution is flawed.
Yes and no. Here's the actual quote:
I think it’s a remarkable document…The original Constitution as well as the Civil War Amendments…but I think it is an imperfect document, and I think it is a document that reflects some deep flaws in American culture, the Colonial culture nascent at that time.
African-Americans were not — first of all they weren’t African-Americans — the Africans at the time were not considered as part of the polity that was of concern to the Framers. I think that as Richard said it was a ‘nagging problem’ in the same way that these days we might think of environmental issues, or some other problem where you have to balance cost-benefits, as opposed to seeing it as a moral problem involving persons of moral worth.
And in that sense, I think we can say that the Constitution reflected an enormous blind spot in this culture that carries on until this day, and that the Framers had that same blind spot. I don’t think the two views are contradictory, to say that it was a remarkable political document that paved the way for where we are now, and to say that it also reflected the fundamental flaw of this country that continues to this day.
Take for example Article I, Section 9 that kept congress from banning slavery until 1808:
Section 9 – Limits on Congress
The Migration or Importation of such Persons as any of the States now existing shall think proper to admit, shall not be prohibited by the Congress prior to the Year one thousand eight hundred and eight, but a tax or duty may be imposed on such Importation, not exceeding ten dollars for each Person.
| 524 |
Killgore Trout Tue, Aug 25, 2009 5:16:13pm |
re: #514 albusteve
not interested until they have grenades and rocket launchers
They're working on it.
| 526 |
CyanSnowHawk Tue, Aug 25, 2009 5:17:09pm |
re: #517 windhorse
one does wonder... is it required that you be a complete fucking idiot to work for the government?
To paraphrase Heinlein, "Do not attribute to idiocy, what indolence can explain."
| 527 |
A Man for all Seasons Tue, Aug 25, 2009 5:17:29pm |
re: #513 Erik The Red
Later Cal23
Hi Erik! Jordan is home from the Marines forever in 43 hours and 45 minutes..
Jeez...It's been a long 4 years...
| 528 |
jcm Tue, Aug 25, 2009 5:18:18pm |
re: #514 albusteve
not interested until they have grenades and rocket launchers
| 529 |
TheMatrix31 Tue, Aug 25, 2009 5:19:29pm |
| 530 |
Racer X Tue, Aug 25, 2009 5:19:33pm |
| 531 |
albusteve Tue, Aug 25, 2009 5:19:49pm |
| 532 |
SpaceJesus Tue, Aug 25, 2009 5:20:37pm |
re: #520 jcm
Somebody's gonna' get shafted.
this is no time to dick around, we american people have put up with this uncircumsized usurper schlong enough
| 533 |
BatGuano Tue, Aug 25, 2009 5:21:18pm |
re: #521 Killgore Trout
KT, he sounds like a nut. I wish the teas parties were more selective (maybe they need to google him). Contessa should have been fired , or at least disciplined for her comments on President Obama's Phoenix appearence.
| 534 |
Bear Tue, Aug 25, 2009 5:21:31pm |
Good evening to all. I have to fly up to Anchorage tomorrow. Since I HATE flying I am not too thrilled. However I may have a few hours where I can take in some of the Alaska State Fair. Wonder if the cabbage on exhibit will top 70 pounds.
| 535 |
LGoPs Tue, Aug 25, 2009 5:21:31pm |
| 536 |
albusteve Tue, Aug 25, 2009 5:22:02pm |
re: #524 Killgore Trout
They're working on it.
are you certain?...what good would that do?...do you honestly think we are on the verge of civil war?...all your vicious, extremist, anarchist town hallers are already off the radar
| 537 |
albusteve Tue, Aug 25, 2009 5:23:24pm |
| 538 |
jcm Tue, Aug 25, 2009 5:24:06pm |
re: #535 LGoPs
Thousands of animals died to make the holster for that. PETA will be upset.
/
And the downside is?
| 539 |
Erik The Red Tue, Aug 25, 2009 5:24:25pm |
re: #527 HoosierHoops
Hi Erik! Jordan is home from the Marines forever in 43 hours and 45 minutes..
Jeez...It's been a long 4 years...
I bet you and Mrs 2H are so excited. I kinda know how you are feeling. Please tell him thank you from my family and buy him a case of his favorite brew. :)
| 540 |
wrenchwench Tue, Aug 25, 2009 5:24:32pm |
re: #536 albusteve
are you certain?...what good would that do?...do you honestly think we are on the verge of civil war?...all your vicious, extremist, anarchist town hallers are already off the radar
Not all of 'em. This one is running for Congress in our fair state:
[I apologize for selecting the version with the ominous music. There is a version without it, but it's longer.]
| 541 |
windhorse Tue, Aug 25, 2009 5:24:40pm |
| 542 |
itellu3times Tue, Aug 25, 2009 5:24:44pm |
re: #528 jcm
Dat's nice.
What ever happened to our ideas for mass drivers, that could launch stuff to orbit, or bombard stuff around the planet? Or, on a smaller scale, weren't we going to build some destroyer/cruiser class ships with electric cannon that could fire over the horizon? I was never clear how great an idea that was.
| 543 |
Killgore Trout Tue, Aug 25, 2009 5:25:41pm |
re: #536 albusteve
are you certain?
Yes. The DHS Memo mentioned cases of neo-Nazis trying to steal weapons from military bases.
what good would that do?
None.
..do you honestly think we are on the verge of civil war?..
No, but I think there a good chance of terrorist attacks from the freaks.
| 544 |
Erik The Red Tue, Aug 25, 2009 5:25:57pm |
re: #539 Erik The Red.
I bet you and Mrs 2H are so excited. I kinda know how you are feeling. Please tell him thank you from my family and buy him a case of his favorite brew. :)
Is he done now are is going to sign up again? You mentioned LE, I think. Has he been accepted into a program?
| 545 |
jcm Tue, Aug 25, 2009 5:26:11pm |
re: #542 itellu3times
Dat's nice.
What ever happened to our ideas for mass drivers, that could launch stuff to orbit, or bombard stuff around the planet? Or, on a smaller scale, weren't we going to build some destroyer/cruiser class ships with electric cannon that could fire over the horizon? I was never clear how great an idea that was.
We're getting there...
Rail Gun Naval Test Shot
| 546 |
BatGuano Tue, Aug 25, 2009 5:26:20pm |
re: #537 albusteve
"open up!...it's the police!"
There is a good Freudian joke there; I'm just not clever enough to come up with it.
| 547 |
albusteve Tue, Aug 25, 2009 5:26:21pm |
re: #540 wrenchwench
Not all of 'em. This one is running for Congress in our fair state:
[I apologize for selecting the version with the ominous music. There is a version without it, but it's longer.]
another BO wannabe...it's the new thing...he'll get elected, bet me
| 548 |
Racer X Tue, Aug 25, 2009 5:27:27pm |
re: #541 windhorse
[Link: www.guardian.co.uk...]
this should be good...
swoon, swoon...
/
Obama is grasping at something - anything - to take attention away from the horrible job he is doing at home. NO ONE has had success with Middle East peace so there is no pressure on him.
| 549 |
Gus Tue, Aug 25, 2009 5:28:15pm |
re: #529 TheMatrix31
This was more of what I was talking about...
Thanks. That's a highly edited video so I can't really understand the context or make a conclusion from it. One of the final quotes is cut off for example:
Maybe I am showing my bias here as a legislator as well as a law professor, but you know I am not optimistic about bringing about major redistributive change through the courts. You know the institution just isn't structured that way... Any of the three of us sitting here could come up with a rationale for bringing about economic change through the courts. I think that, as a practical matter, that our institutions are just poorly equipped to do it.
You can read some of the fact checks here:
[Link: voices.washingtonpost.com...]
It was kind of hit and miss and got two Pinocchios.
| 551 |
albusteve Tue, Aug 25, 2009 5:28:58pm |
re: #543 Killgore Trout
fair enough...but remember, America breeds freaks...they were always here and always will be...cross your fingers that law enforcement can keep up
| 552 |
Killgore Trout Tue, Aug 25, 2009 5:28:59pm |
Update: Swedish daily publishes second article on 'IDF organ harvesting'
Despite Israel's harsh protests, Swedish newspaper Aftonbladet published a second article accusing the IDF of harvesting Palestinian organs.
In the article, published Sunday, Oisín Cantwell and Urban Andersson report from the northern West Bank village of Imatin, where 19-year-old Bilal Ahmad Ghanem was killed during a clash with Israeli soldiers in 1992.Ghanem's family claims that his body was returned several days later, wrapped in hospital bandages. Aftonbladet published what is said was a photo of the body, which had a scar running from the neck down to the abdomen.
| 553 |
solomonpanting Tue, Aug 25, 2009 5:30:07pm |
Pakistani Taliban name two extremists to replace assassinated leader
ISLAMABAD, Pakistan — Pakistan's extremist Taliban movement acknowledged Tuesday that its leader, Baitullah Mehsud, had died in the aftermath of a U.S. drone missile attack early this month and confirmed that two men would replace him.
Get two more drones ready.
| 554 |
BatGuano Tue, Aug 25, 2009 5:30:55pm |
re: #548 Racer X
Obama is grasping at something - anything - to take attention away from the horrible job he is doing at home. NO ONE has had success with Middle East peace so there is no pressure on him.
I admit I just skimmed through it. My questions are: how much are we going to give Hamas and much do the Israel's have to give up?
| 555 |
windhorse Tue, Aug 25, 2009 5:31:00pm |
re: #551 albusteve
hey man... some of us freaks are kind of... you know... sensitive...
| 556 |
Dahveed Tue, Aug 25, 2009 5:31:04pm |
Bernard Goldberg on O'Reilly says that Mary Mapes had information saying that GWB volunteered to go to Vietnam. His website is down right now, but he just got information to that effect.
| 557 |
albusteve Tue, Aug 25, 2009 5:31:14pm |
re: #547 albusteve
another BO wannabe...it's the new thing...he'll get elected, bet me
in style and rhetoric, that is
| 558 |
doppelganglander Tue, Aug 25, 2009 5:31:27pm |
re: #552 Killgore Trout
Aftonbladet published what is said was a photo of the body, which had a scar running from the neck down to the abdomen.
In other words, an autopsy scar, or possibly an incision from trying to save his life. Who's stupider here, the Palestinians or the Swedish "journalists" who believe them?
| 559 |
Truck Monkey Tue, Aug 25, 2009 5:32:10pm |
re: #506 jcm
Stimulus Checks Mistakenly Sent to 1,700 Inmates, Federal Agency Says
Government wants control of medical records too!
What could go wrong?
///
| 561 |
CyanSnowHawk Tue, Aug 25, 2009 5:32:22pm |
re: #542 itellu3times
Dat's nice.
What ever happened to our ideas for mass drivers, that could launch stuff to orbit, or bombard stuff around the planet? Or, on a smaller scale, weren't we going to build some destroyer/cruiser class ships with electric cannon that could fire over the horizon? I was never clear how great an idea that was.
There are significant hurdles to clear before rail guns become useful in the field. Not the least of which is outperforming the relative simplicity of hurling a warhead downrange with a bit of gunpowder.
| 562 |
SasquatchOnSteroids Tue, Aug 25, 2009 5:32:23pm |
re: #545 jcm
We're getting there...
Rail Gun Naval Test Shot[Video]
Dude, your guns are bigger than Michelle Obamas.
Just barely.
| 563 |
albusteve Tue, Aug 25, 2009 5:32:31pm |
re: #555 windhorse
hey man... some of us freaks are kind of... you know... sensitive...
well quick do your nails and get down to the demonstration...get your fair share of abuse
| 564 |
Killgore Trout Tue, Aug 25, 2009 5:32:49pm |
re: #558 doppelganglander
Who's stupider here, the Palestinians or the Swedish "journalists" who believe them?
They both probably know they're lying.
| 565 |
A Man for all Seasons Tue, Aug 25, 2009 5:33:16pm |
re: #544 Erik The Red
.
Is he done now are is going to sign up again? You mentioned LE, I think. Has he been accepted into a program?
He is done...He wants to be a policeman...
I am very proud of him...When I was his age I had no clue what I wanted to do with my life...He turned 21 in Fallujah killing terrorists and bringing victory to America...You don't hear shit about Fallujah any more...It was put down by the US Marines...
Fucking Studs if you ask me
| 566 |
jcm Tue, Aug 25, 2009 5:33:24pm |
re: #562 SasquatchOnSteroids
Dude, your guns are bigger than Michelle Obamas.
Just barely.
| 567 |
Killgore Trout Tue, Aug 25, 2009 5:33:52pm |
Sarah Palin and Jeb Bush Poised to Lead Town-Hallers
Whispers asked a dozen GOP and conservative leaders to come up with a top 10 list. First, Rep. Ron Paul, popular among the town hallers. Then, Sarah Palin, whose 2008 crowds cheered her antitax message. Third, Newt Gingrich, the father of the 1994 conservative revolution. Next, populist Mike Huckabee. And fifth, former Florida Gov. Jeb Bush, said to be the family's passionate conservative.
Ron Paul!
/Tea party
| 568 |
BatGuano Tue, Aug 25, 2009 5:34:30pm |
re: #556 Dahveed
Mary Mapes? I heard about 7 years ago G.W.B and a fellow pilot tried to volunteer for Vietnam. As far as I know it was never confirmed.
| 569 |
The Shadow Do Tue, Aug 25, 2009 5:34:34pm |
Breaking
Bernie Goldberg -
Mary Mapes knew GWB volunteered repeatedly to go to Nam on combat missions. It's documented. She left it unreported. Big surprise.
Mapes had information prior to the airing of the September 8 [2004] Segment that President Bush, while in the TexANG [Texas Air National Guard] did volunteer for service in Vietnam but was turned down in favor of more experienced pilots. For example, a flight instructor who served in the TexANG with Lieutenant Bush advised Mapes in 1999 that Lieutenant Bush “did want to go to Vietnam but others went first.” Similarly, several others advised Mapes in 1999, and again in 2004 before September 8, that Lieutenant Bush had volunteered to go to Vietnam but did not have enough flight hours to qualify.
| 570 |
Gus Tue, Aug 25, 2009 5:34:36pm |
re: #564 Killgore Trout
They both probably know they're lying.
If you cut and paste things just right...
//
| 571 |
Soona' Tue, Aug 25, 2009 5:34:47pm |
re: #536 albusteve
are you certain?...what good would that do?...do you honestly think we are on the verge of civil war?...all your vicious, extremist, anarchist town hallers are already off the radar
Was there supposed to be sarc tags at the end of that? Just wondering.
| 572 |
yochanan Tue, Aug 25, 2009 5:35:04pm |
leftist trashes col. donk party hq and the donks blame the GOP when the arrested fellow looks moonbat leftist. hopeium and changium
| 573 |
SasquatchOnSteroids Tue, Aug 25, 2009 5:35:23pm |
| 574 |
doppelganglander Tue, Aug 25, 2009 5:35:38pm |
re: #565 HoosierHoops
He is done...He wants to be a policeman...
I am very proud of him...When I was his age I had no clue what I wanted to do with my life...He turned 21 in Fallujah killing terrorists and bringing victory to America...You don't hear shit about Fallujah any more...It was put down by the US Marines...
Fucking Studs if you ask me
I've got a 22-year-old daughter. I wish she'd bring home a boy like yours.
| 575 |
albusteve Tue, Aug 25, 2009 5:35:51pm |
re: #571 Soona'
Was there supposed to be sarc tags at the end of that? Just wondering.
no...people have calmed down
| 576 |
jcm Tue, Aug 25, 2009 5:37:49pm |
I'm laughing to hard just have to share this...
This video shows that Michael was still alive after his dead body was transported to the Los Angeles Dept. of Coroner I checked the license plate number and it looks like the King of Pop is jumping out of the same van, his dead body has been in. I got the original video tape from a trustworthy source. I know him for years. And I am sure it´s real and Michael is alive.
| 577 |
yochanan Tue, Aug 25, 2009 5:38:03pm |
re: #573 SasquatchOnSteroids
That monster's sweet. You need a Coexist bumper sticker on that baby.
unless that thing was underground or in a bunker and just pulled out to shoot it would be a sitting duck for a air attack.
| 578 |
TheMatrix31 Tue, Aug 25, 2009 5:38:30pm |
re: #574 doppelganglander
I've got a 22-year-old daughter. I wish she'd bring home a boy like yours.
She can bring me home, dunno if she likes younger men though!
| 579 |
FightingBack Tue, Aug 25, 2009 5:38:59pm |
I am waiting to be connected to a White House Conference call for doctors, about health care issues.
Is it Ok to post the number here? It's "closed to the press."
There are about 1900 participants now.
| 580 |
SasquatchOnSteroids Tue, Aug 25, 2009 5:39:18pm |
re: #565 HoosierHoops
He is done...He wants to be a policeman...
I am very proud of him...When I was his age I had no clue what I wanted to do with my life...He turned 21 in Fallujah killing terrorists and bringing victory to America...You don't hear shit about Fallujah any more...It was put down by the US Marines...
Fucking Studs if you ask me
Fucking Studs, that they are, HH.
If anybody doubts that, well, they just...don't...know...shit.
| 581 |
doppelganglander Tue, Aug 25, 2009 5:39:51pm |
re: #578 TheMatrix31
She can bring me home, dunno if she likes younger men though!
She generally prefers older men, I'm afraid. It helps if you're a policy wonk, attorney, or Hill staffer.
| 582 |
albusteve Tue, Aug 25, 2009 5:40:05pm |
re: #577 yochanan
unless that thing was underground or in a bunker and just pulled out to shoot it would be a sitting duck for a air attack.
Georing lied
| 583 |
Racer X Tue, Aug 25, 2009 5:40:11pm |
re: #576 jcm
I'm laughing to hard just have to share this...
This video shows that Michael was still alive after his dead body was transported to the Los Angeles Dept. of Coroner I checked the license plate number and it looks like the King of Pop is jumping out of the same van, his dead body has been in. I got the original video tape from a trustworthy source. I know him for years. And I am sure it´s real and Michael is alive.
[Video]
Heh.
He and Elvis got together years ago and planned the whole thing.
| 584 |
kynna Tue, Aug 25, 2009 5:40:38pm |
re: #569 The Shadow Do
Doesn't support the narrative. Bury it.
I heard Mapes in a radio interview a couple of years ago, and she answered to the request for proof of her allegations that the burden of proof was not on her because she didn't have the original of the memo. So the burden of proof fell to GWB.
This is the thinking that goes into that kind of news story.
| 585 |
FightingBack Tue, Aug 25, 2009 5:40:48pm |
re: #579 FightingBack
I am waiting to be connected to a White House Conference call for doctors, about health care issues.
Is it Ok to post the number here? It's "closed to the press."
There are about 1900 participants now.
A doctor who couldn't hack it in practice is the moderator.
| 586 |
LGoPs Tue, Aug 25, 2009 5:40:51pm |
re: #569 The Shadow Do
Breaking
Bernie Goldberg -
Mary Mapes knew GWB volunteered repeatedly to go to Nam on combat missions. It's documented. She left it unreported. Big surprise.
Mapes had information prior to the airing of the September 8 [2004] Segment that President Bush, while in the TexANG [Texas Air National Guard] did volunteer for service in Vietnam but was turned down in favor of more experienced pilots. For example, a flight instructor who served in the TexANG with Lieutenant Bush advised Mapes in 1999 that Lieutenant Bush “did want to go to Vietnam but others went first.” Similarly, several others advised Mapes in 1999, and again in 2004 before September 8, that Lieutenant Bush had volunteered to go to Vietnam but did not have enough flight hours to qualify.
I'm curious to know if there's anything legally that can be done to her, if this is confirmed? The left loves litigation and I would think that intentionally trying to manipulate an election would merit a big fucking lawsuit and come with big fines and lots of time in the hoosegow.
Just saying
| 587 |
CyanSnowHawk Tue, Aug 25, 2009 5:41:11pm |
re: #576 jcm
I'm laughing to hard just have to share this...
This video shows that Michael was still alive after his dead body was transported to the Los Angeles Dept. of Coroner I checked the license plate number and it looks like the King of Pop is jumping out of the same van, his dead body has been in. I got the original video tape from a trustworthy source. I know him for years. And I am sure it´s real and Michael is alive.
[Video]
Oh no. I can't watch the video at work, but I hope they don't go all Elvis with MJ. Although there might be some value in scaring small children into doing things by saying that MJ will get them if they don't.
/
| 588 |
reine.de.tout Tue, Aug 25, 2009 5:41:19pm |
re: #579 FightingBack
I am waiting to be connected to a White House Conference call for doctors, about health care issues.
Is it Ok to post the number here? It's "closed to the press."
There are about 1900 participants now.
Probably would be better if you could post a LINK to where the phone number is.
| 589 |
jcm Tue, Aug 25, 2009 5:41:40pm |
re: #577 yochanan
unless that thing was underground or in a bunker and just pulled out to shoot it would be a sitting duck for a air attack.
German railway gun "GUSTAV"
| 590 |
reine.de.tout Tue, Aug 25, 2009 5:41:55pm |
re: #585 FightingBack
A doctor who couldn't hack it in practice is the moderator.
Are you a doctor?
Are you going to come back and tell us all about it?
| 591 |
Achilles Tang Tue, Aug 25, 2009 5:42:15pm |
re: #561 CyanSnowHawk
There are significant hurdles to clear before rail guns become useful in the field. Not the least of which is outperforming the relative simplicity of hurling a warhead downrange with a bit of gunpowder.
Correct. There is no comparably efficient way to storing energy than in an explosive cartridge. A nuclear powered ship could conceivably create enough to avoid having too store explosives just to send out the shells, but then there is the fact of if it ain't broke don't fix it. After all, an electric motor is vastly simpler than a piston engine, or even a turbine, but look how long it takes to convert the infrastructure to support it.
| 592 |
Soona' Tue, Aug 25, 2009 5:42:20pm |
re: #575 albusteve
no...people have calmed down
Oh? Other than the fact that there may be fewer town hall meetings now, or that the MFMSM is talking about it less, what makes you think we've calmed down?
| 593 |
TheMatrix31 Tue, Aug 25, 2009 5:42:22pm |
re: #581 doppelganglander
She generally prefers older men, I'm afraid. It helps if you're a policy wonk, attorney, or Hill staffer.
Most girls my age perfer the older men...I'm not any of those so looks like I'm outta luck, unless she wants a future chief executive of a major corporation?
| 594 |
Kenneth Tue, Aug 25, 2009 5:42:37pm |
Holbrooke: Persian Gulf oil money fuels Taliban insurgencies
America's top diplomat for Afghanistan and Pakistan says the deadly Taliban insurgency in those countries relies heavily on funding from the oil-rich Persian Gulf.Such money even outpaces the cash gathered from Afghanistan's multibillion-dollar exports of opium and heroin, said Richard Holbrooke, the United States' special envoy for Afghanistan and Pakistan, in an interview Tuesday with CNN.
"It seems to be more from individuals carrying money in their suitcases," Holbrooke said. "Sometimes they are taking advantage of the pilgrimage [to the Muslim holy cities of Mecca and Medina in Saudi Arabia]. Sometimes from hawala [an informal international system for money transfers]. Sometimes from charities.
| 595 |
Gus Tue, Aug 25, 2009 5:43:00pm |
re: #569 The Shadow Do
Breaking
Bernie Goldberg -
Mary Mapes knew GWB volunteered repeatedly to go to Nam on combat missions. It's documented. She left it unreported. Big surprise.
Website's busy.
Mary Mapes is a strange bird.
| 596 |
yochanan Tue, Aug 25, 2009 5:44:13pm |
re: #573 SasquatchOnSteroids
That monster's sweet. You need a Coexist bumper sticker on that baby.
[Link: www.historynet.com...]
the first rail gun goes a bit back.
| 597 |
austin_blue Tue, Aug 25, 2009 5:44:27pm |
Evening, Lizards!
We just had a pop-up T-storm ramble through the 'hood. It only dropped a 1/4", but that doubles my water from the sky for July and August combined. Dropped the thermometer from 101 to 78 in twenty minutes, too.
Sweet!
| 598 |
FightingBack Tue, Aug 25, 2009 5:44:31pm |
re: #590 reine.de.tout
Yes, if I can stand the verbiage.
I got the invitation in an email from the Medical Society.
She just referred us to "Healthreform.gov"
| 599 |
Kenneth Tue, Aug 25, 2009 5:45:00pm |
re: #527 HoosierHoops
God bless your son. I am very happy for you & your family. My deepest gratitude to him for his service.
| 600 |
Spare O'Lake Tue, Aug 25, 2009 5:45:03pm |
That is one hot track.
Hendrix probably would have enjoyed it.
Too bad he had to kill himself.
| 601 |
wrenchwench Tue, Aug 25, 2009 5:45:15pm |
re: #586 LGoPs
I'm curious to know if there's anything legally that can be done to her, if this is confirmed?
Severe mocking is legal in all 50 states.
| 602 |
Ojoe Tue, Aug 25, 2009 5:45:24pm |
| 603 |
Racer X Tue, Aug 25, 2009 5:45:49pm |
| 604 |
HelloDare Tue, Aug 25, 2009 5:46:44pm |
Why the hell don't they give one of these to Biden.
And where the hell is Joe?
| 605 |
SurferDoc Tue, Aug 25, 2009 5:46:48pm |
re: #602 Ojoe
Towercam with smoke
Brushfire smoke in the San Gabriel Mountains of Califronia. Towercam, Pacific time zone.
We can smell that smoke all the way up here in the desert at night.
| 606 |
albusteve Tue, Aug 25, 2009 5:46:54pm |
re: #592 Soona'
Oh? Other than the fact that there may be fewer town hall meetings now, or that the MFMSM is talking about it less, what makes you think we've calmed down?
it's not news anymore, that's my point I guess...if people are still screaming, nobody seems to care about it
| 607 |
FightingBack Tue, Aug 25, 2009 5:47:10pm |
re: #598 FightingBack
She said that they received 400 emails in advance (I sent one about saving costs through tort reform)
Other Speakers:
Karen Richardson
David Seemus
| 608 |
A Man for all Seasons Tue, Aug 25, 2009 5:47:28pm |
re: #580 SasquatchOnSteroids
Fucking Studs, that they are, HH.
If anybody doubts that, well, they just...don't...know...shit.
Sometime in the next 3 days I will be signing off forever from marineparents.com. We parents have made friends forever and email each other often...It's cool getting to know other parents from boot camp at Camp P. to Iraq to Japan..and finally home.
I am very proud of America and all her citizens...From the left to the right..
If you love America..You are a friend to me and my family...
| 609 |
Kenneth Tue, Aug 25, 2009 5:47:35pm |
Morale at CIA Plummets as Panetta Makes a Bad Situation Worse
When Leon Panetta took over the CIA earlier this year, he was described (in some circles) as the wrong man for the wrong job at the wrong time.
Seven months later, that assessment is proving eerily prescient. As the agency prepares for a politically-charged investigation of its interrogation practices, Mr. Panetta’s leadership is noticeably lacking. Indeed, there is growing evidence that the director’s recent actions have made a bad situation worse.
| 610 |
Achilles Tang Tue, Aug 25, 2009 5:47:35pm |
| 611 |
Racer X Tue, Aug 25, 2009 5:47:56pm |
re: #602 Ojoe
Towercam with smoke
Brushfire smoke in the San Gabriel Mountains of Califronia. Towercam, Pacific time zone.
Uh-oh. Thats pretty rugged terrain up there. Hope it doesn't get too out of control.
| 612 |
BatGuano Tue, Aug 25, 2009 5:48:32pm |
re: #604 HelloDare
Last I heard he was washing his car his driveway: A little eye candy for the ladies.
| 613 |
yochanan Tue, Aug 25, 2009 5:49:27pm |
re: #609 Kenneth
you can stick a fork in to the CIA they are done.
f''' you zero.
the blood of dead Americans and Israeli will be on your hands.
| 614 |
albusteve Tue, Aug 25, 2009 5:49:42pm |
re: #600 Spare O'Lake
That is one hot track.
Hendrix probably would have enjoyed it.
Too bad he had to kill himself.
who knows where he would have ventured musically...he loved the guitar and was very curious about other types of music...not suicidal, just mortally naive
| 615 |
FightingBack Tue, Aug 25, 2009 5:49:46pm |
re: #607 FightingBack
She said that they received 400 emails in advance (I sent one about saving costs through tort reform)
Other Speakers:
Karen Richardson
David Seemus
17 minutes in, just verbiage about the Docs "seeing the entire range of human emotion." That's why Docs are so crucial to this debate. Docs bring crediblilty to the debate."
| 616 |
Soona' Tue, Aug 25, 2009 5:49:47pm |
re: #606 albusteve
it's not news anymore, that's my point I guess...if people are still screaming, nobody seems to care about it
That still doesn't give evidence that we've calmed down.
| 617 |
SasquatchOnSteroids Tue, Aug 25, 2009 5:50:20pm |
re: #612 BatGuano
Last I heard he was washing his car his driveway: A little eye candy for the ladies.
You're talking about the car, I presume.
/
| 618 |
jcm Tue, Aug 25, 2009 5:51:12pm |
re: #609 Kenneth
Morale at CIA Plummets as Panetta Makes a Bad Situation Worse
Jeeze I follow legal orders today, and get prosecuted tomorrow shouldn't be a cause for concern, what' the matter with them?
//
| 619 |
albusteve Tue, Aug 25, 2009 5:51:41pm |
re: #616 Soona'
That still doesn't give evidence that we've calmed down.
off the radar tho...everybody gets their few minutes, depending how the MSM allots their time
| 620 |
reine.de.tout Tue, Aug 25, 2009 5:52:05pm |
| 621 |
reine.de.tout Tue, Aug 25, 2009 5:52:29pm |
re: #615 FightingBack
17 minutes in, just verbiage about the Docs "seeing the entire range of human emotion." That's why Docs are so crucial to this debate. Docs bring crediblilty to the debate."
sounds like "yada yada yada" to me.
| 622 |
austin_blue Tue, Aug 25, 2009 5:52:44pm |
re: #619 albusteve
off the radar tho...everybody gets their few minutes, depending how the MSM allots their time
I don't have cable, so this is a serious question:
Has the coverage fallen off on Fox, too?
| 623 |
The Shadow Do Tue, Aug 25, 2009 5:53:20pm |
re: #586 LGoPs
I'm curious to know if there's anything legally that can be done to her, if this is confirmed? The left loves litigation and I would think that intentionally trying to manipulate an election would merit a big fucking lawsuit and come with big fines and lots of time in the hoosegow.
Just saying
Burkett should be prosecuted. Mapes should be shamed forever but that is impossible for the shameless left. Pretty sure she, like Dan, is a victim in this terrible George Bush travesty.
/
| 624 |
Racer X Tue, Aug 25, 2009 5:53:38pm |
Can you imagine the shit sandwich we would be eating right now if NO ONE complained about the original Obama health care bill?
| 625 |
Kenneth Tue, Aug 25, 2009 5:54:34pm |
re: #624 Racer X
How DARE YOU question the wise and powerful Oz!
| 626 |
The Shadow Do Tue, Aug 25, 2009 5:54:50pm |
| 627 |
jcm Tue, Aug 25, 2009 5:54:52pm |
re: #624 Racer X
Can you imagine the shit sandwich we would be eating right now if NO ONE complained about the original Obama health care bill?
| 628 |
Killgore Trout Tue, Aug 25, 2009 5:55:43pm |
re: #624 Racer X
Can you imagine the shit sandwich we would be eating right now if NO ONE complained about the original Obama health care bill?
Very few people are actually complaining about the bill. They're complaining about death panels and fascism. I wish we had people complaining about things actually in the bill.
| 629 |
FightingBack Tue, Aug 25, 2009 5:56:02pm |
re: #615 FightingBack
Seemus says we should be aware of "disinformation" in circulation.
"Consumer protections exist in all 4 Bills. No one will lose coverage, all preventative care will be paid for, no annual caps, quality affordable coverage to all." And from the doctor they choose! "
(FB says: Under Govt healthcare, you will be able to keep your own doctor. Unless I am your doctor.)
| 630 |
SasquatchOnSteroids Tue, Aug 25, 2009 5:56:12pm |
re: #624 Racer X
Can you imagine the shit sandwich we would be eating right now if NO ONE complained about the original Obama health care bill?
What's amazing is how many people seem to want one.
Gimme a double turd with cheese please.
| 631 |
albusteve Tue, Aug 25, 2009 5:56:28pm |
re: #622 austin_blue
I don't have cable, so this is a serious question:
Has the coverage fallen off on Fox, too?
don't know...don't follow TV, but the hysterics regarding the behavior at the town halls has fallen off here...it's a very small side issue imo
| 632 |
jcm Tue, Aug 25, 2009 5:58:01pm |
re: #630 SasquatchOnSteroids
What's amazing is how many people seem to want one.
Gimme a double turd with cheese please.
NO CHEESE FOR YOU!
| 633 |
Soona' Tue, Aug 25, 2009 5:58:03pm |
re: #619 albusteve
off the radar tho...everybody gets their few minutes, depending how the MSM allots their time
That's just it. We don't give a shit what the MFMSM does anymore, they've never been on the side of Americans anyway. They have no monopoly on information anymore.
| 634 |
doppelganglander Tue, Aug 25, 2009 5:58:05pm |
re: #593 TheMatrix31
Most girls my age perfer the older men...I'm not any of those so looks like I'm outta luck, unless she wants a future chief executive of a major corporation?
I think that would be an acceptable alternative. Sadly for you, the older men (and I mean 25-30, not really old) have better jobs and can spend money on girls. I wish I'd thought of that when I was 23, before I married a guy my own age who had no money. But it's worked out well for nearly 24 years now.
| 635 |
MandyManners Tue, Aug 25, 2009 5:58:22pm |
re: #609 Kenneth
Morale at CIA Plummets as Panetta Makes a Bad Situation Worse
I fear the impact of FCBBHO's four years will make the fall-out of the Church Committee pale in comparison.
| 636 |
albusteve Tue, Aug 25, 2009 5:58:57pm |
re: #628 Killgore Trout
Very few people are actually complaining about the bill. They're complaining about death panels and fascism. I wish we had people complaining about things actually in the bill.
the Blue Dogs have that under control...the right wing noise is useful nevertheless...kill the bill
| 637 |
Gus Tue, Aug 25, 2009 5:58:58pm |
re: #628 Killgore Trout
Very few people are actually complaining about the bill. They're complaining about death panels and fascism. I wish we had people complaining about things actually in the bill.
Like being compelled, forced, to buy health insurance. If I am correct. Already can't make ends meet and if I don't I'll get a 2.5% tax added to my income. Or whatever comes out of congress in the end -- if anything. Typically it means self-employed people like myself are up the creek.
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Spare O'Lake Tue, Aug 25, 2009 5:59:00pm |
re: #630 SasquatchOnSteroids
What's amazing is how many people seem to want one.
Gimme a double turd with cheese please.
That is a crappy comment.
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doppelganglander Tue, Aug 25, 2009 5:59:08pm |
re: #615 FightingBack
17 minutes in, just verbiage about the Docs "seeing the entire range of human emotion." That's why Docs are so crucial to this debate. Docs bring crediblilty to the debate."
In other words, they want to use you as a mouthpiece.
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Racer X Tue, Aug 25, 2009 5:59:11pm |
re: #628 Killgore Trout
Very few people are actually complaining about the bill. They're complaining about death panels and fascism. I wish we had people complaining about things actually in the bill.
Really?
Because there are several lefties who post here who have said it is crap.
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TheMatrix31 Tue, Aug 25, 2009 5:59:44pm |
re: #634 doppelganglander
I think that would be an acceptable alternative. Sadly for you, the older men (and I mean 25-30, not really old) have better jobs and can spend money on girls. I wish I'd thought of that when I was 23, before I married a guy my own age who had no money. But it's worked out well for nearly 24 years now.
I guess the females typically go for the guys older than them, for mental and financial security I guess.
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Killgore Trout Tue, Aug 25, 2009 6:00:38pm |
As I promised since zombie's latest report I'll post death threats to the president as I find them...
Euthanasia rumor continues to dog Grassley
The man also tells Grassley that people should be concerned because Obama is “acting like a little Hitler,” and that he would solve the problem by taking his gun to Washington, D.C., “if enough of you will go with me.”
It seems I turn up one or two a week so far.
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LGoPs Tue, Aug 25, 2009 6:00:41pm |
re: #609 Kenneth
Morale at CIA Plummets as Panetta Makes a Bad Situation Worse
What a surprise! I wonder how many of the 52% that voted for Obama understood that this is what they were going to get when he talked about fundamentally changing America.
Well, they got it. Time to hunker down.
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albusteve Tue, Aug 25, 2009 6:01:05pm |
re: #633 Soona'
That's just it. We don't give a shit what the MFMSM does anymore, they've never been on the side of Americans anyway. They have no monopoly on information anymore.
I concure...that's obvious the way things have turned...I hate the MSM with a passion, always have
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Ojoe Tue, Aug 25, 2009 6:01:32pm |
re: #611 Racer X
The San Gabriel Mountains catch on fire a lot. If it is really rugged where the fire is, there won't be any houses.
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Killgore Trout Tue, Aug 25, 2009 6:02:00pm |
re: #646 Sharmuta
Heh, ya beat me to it.
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FightingBack Tue, Aug 25, 2009 6:03:11pm |
re: #621 reine.de.tout
One question is about the "elimination of co-pays for all services. "
Does prevention save money? They say yes (this is dubious.)
Another question about Congress keeping up payments for the increased costs (theSGRFix) Answer:"It's baked into the cake."
"Rewarding quality, not quantity (of service given.)"
"What is being done to increase number of physicians in primary care?
National Health service and other HHs investments of 1/2 Bill already in place. This will be expanded with scholarship money.
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albusteve Tue, Aug 25, 2009 6:03:18pm |
re: #640 Racer X
Really?
Because there are several lefties who post here who have said it is crap.
KT has never given credit to the ordinary voter...stupid as they are, they get it right once in a while...BO and the libs have no mandate other than what they presume for themselves...some people don't get it
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Racer X Tue, Aug 25, 2009 6:04:08pm |
re: #647 Killgore Trout
No arrests.
Odd. You would think the SS would be all over this. If it were legit.
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The Shadow Do Tue, Aug 25, 2009 6:04:15pm |
re: #628 Killgore Trout
Very few people are actually complaining about the bill. They're complaining about death panels and fascism. I wish we had people complaining about things actually in the bill.
I don't think that's accurate Killgore, the noise is from the nutters, the majority rejection argures against your take. I am pretty sure people know in their gut that at a time when individuals and families are scrambling for liquidity that insane government spending is just flat the wrong thing to do.
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Sharmuta Tue, Aug 25, 2009 6:04:36pm |
re: #652 Racer X
Odd. You would think the SS would be all over this. If it were legit.
But not for the last 8 years?
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albusteve Tue, Aug 25, 2009 6:04:50pm |
re: #643 LGoPs
What a surprise! I wonder how many of the 52% that voted for Obama understood that this is what they were going to get when he talked about fundamentally changing America.
Well, they got it. Time to hunker down.yep...if you can
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itellu3times Tue, Aug 25, 2009 6:05:00pm |
re: #628 Killgore Trout
Very few people are actually complaining about the bill. They're complaining about death panels and fascism. I wish we had people complaining about things actually in the bill.
Sometimes that's just not how a discussion goes.
After all, Obama isn't exactly talking honestly about what *is* in the bill, is he?
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A Man for all Seasons Tue, Aug 25, 2009 6:05:10pm |
re: #645 Ojoe
The San Gabriel Mountains catch on fire a lot. If it is really rugged where the fire is, there won't be any houses.
We used to have so many fires in Napa Valley...The Atlas Peak fires were the worst...I remember being a kid and standing outside at night watching all the hills surrounding us glowing with fire...
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doppelganglander Tue, Aug 25, 2009 6:05:24pm |
re: #641 TheMatrix31
I guess the females typically go for the guys older than them, for mental and financial security I guess.
A lot of it is the maturity difference. I don't mean you personally, but the typical guy in his early 20s wants to screw around and drink beer. Many girls that age are already thinking about settling down. Some guys are too - a ridiculous number of my daughter's friends have gotten married in the last 2 years. I'd rather see her wait until her late 20s to marry.
Oh, and I am not trying to fix you up with my daughter. She would kill me.
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Soona' Tue, Aug 25, 2009 6:05:26pm |
re: #645 Ojoe
The San Gabriel Mountains catch on fire a lot. If it is really rugged where the fire is, there won't be any houses.
Are the San Gabriels near LA or San Diego? (My California geography sucks)
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austin_blue Tue, Aug 25, 2009 6:06:19pm |
re: #637 Gus 802
Like being compelled, forced, to buy health insurance. If I am correct. Already can't make ends meet and if I don't I'll get a 2.5% tax added to my income. Or whatever comes out of congress in the end -- if anything. Typically it means self-employed people like myself are up the creek.
Gus, here's the thing.
Let's say you are driving to work and an unemployed drunk runs a red light (God forbid) and T-bones you. You get taken to the ER with a closed head wound and are placed in an induced coma to reduce brain swelling. You don't die, but you are pretty much gorked for three years, with rehab, home care, &c. You *will* get treated under the system in place, and it will cost north of a million bucks. Guess who pays for it? Your neighbors.
Is that fair? Is that equitable? Fact is, we are *already* paying for the uninsured, with very little cost control. It's a stupid system, IMO.
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jcm Tue, Aug 25, 2009 6:06:33pm |
re: #643 LGoPs
What a surprise! I wonder how many of the 52% that voted for Obama understood that this is what they were going to get when he talked about fundamentally changing America.
Well, they got it. Time to hunker down.
IIRC it was part of the campaign before he defeated HRC, prosecuting the torturers.
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reine.de.tout Tue, Aug 25, 2009 6:06:53pm |
re: #650 FightingBack
One question is about the "elimination of co-pays for all services. "
Does prevention save money? They say yes (this is dubious.)
I would think prevention could improve quality of life; but in the end, I can't understand how it would save money. People will get sick regardless of preventive measures.
Another question about Congress keeping up payments for the increased costs (theSGRFix) Answer:"It's baked into the cake."
It's "baked into the cake"? WTH?
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FightingBack Tue, Aug 25, 2009 6:07:18pm |
Dr Marla Lint asks about Medicare Advt programs overhead is 20%. Why should the govt pay this? The money should be spent on children.
Ans: "The Pres is looking at this. The President is so eloquent."
(I swear she said this.)
re: #650 FightingBack
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TheMatrix31 Tue, Aug 25, 2009 6:07:25pm |
re: #658 doppelganglander
A lot of it is the maturity difference. I don't mean you personally, but the typical guy in his early 20s wants to screw around and drink beer. Many girls that age are already thinking about settling down. Some guys are too - a ridiculous number of my daughter's friends have gotten married in the last 2 years. I'd rather see her wait until her late 20s to marry.
Oh, and I am not trying to fix you up with my daughter. She would kill me.
Hahahaha. I've said it a thousand times -- If I had the financial means, and found the woman I want to marry, being 21 would NOT stop me from getting married. In that respect, I'm different than all my friends. Simply not interested in messing around and being a moron.
Fortunately or unfortunately, neither the financial means nor the woman are present at the moment.
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reine.de.tout Tue, Aug 25, 2009 6:07:32pm |
re: #656 itellu3times
Sometimes that's just not how a discussion goes.
After all, Obama isn't exactly talking honestly about what *is* in the bill, is he?
Does Obama even know what's in the bill?
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itellu3times Tue, Aug 25, 2009 6:08:09pm |
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Racer X Tue, Aug 25, 2009 6:08:32pm |
re: #651 albusteve
KT has never given credit to the ordinary voter...stupid as they are, they get it right once in a while...BO and the libs have no mandate other than what they presume for themselves...some people don't get it
There are plenty of stupid American voters. The average American is smarter than they get credit for. They just got all caught up in the Hope and Change thing. Sorry it's not working out. I really am.
I would have preferred Obama to be wildly successful. Honest to God. He started out looking promising but then he has made so many mistakes I've lost count.
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Gus Tue, Aug 25, 2009 6:08:36pm |
re: #661 austin_blue
Gus, here's the thing.
Let's say you are driving to work and an unemployed drunk runs a red light (God forbid) and T-bones you. You get taken to the ER with a closed head wound and are placed in an induced coma to reduce brain swelling. You don't die, but you are pretty much gorked for three years, with rehab, home care, &c. You *will* get treated under the system in place, and it will cost north of a million bucks. Guess who pays for it? Your neighbors.
Is that fair? Is that equitable? Fact is, we are *already* paying for the uninsured, with very little cost control. It's a stupid system, IMO.
Yes, it does work out that way. Still can't afford it right now.
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Soona' Tue, Aug 25, 2009 6:08:39pm |
re: #652 Racer X
Odd. You would think the SS would be all over this. If it were legit.
That's a good question. Another good question is: Is this just more LLL internet pap?
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reine.de.tout Tue, Aug 25, 2009 6:09:47pm |
re: #660 buzzsawmonkey
I am complaining about the concept of "the bill"--actually, multiple bills.
I accept the proposition that the way we pay for healthcare in this country is screwy. That is not the same thing as healthcare itself--and the Administration has been laboring mightily to obscure the distinction between "healthcare" and "payment for healthcare."
I am complaining about the concept that there is a need or mandate to rush to fix whatever is wrong, when there is no one Administration bill and so every time someone raises an objection to the turd in Bill A, the apologists chime in "well, that won't be in the final."
I am complaining because there is no "right to healthcare" anywhere in the Constitution, so if the Administration wants to provide something it can start by taking "rights language" off the table.
I'm complaining because, stupid as some of the protests have been, the offended response from the proponents of this juggernaut have been more stupid still, and arrogant as hell.
I am complaining and questioning right along with you.
If people honestly think there are no real complaints or questions about the bill, just complaints about "death panels" and such - then they are not listening very well.
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doppelganglander Tue, Aug 25, 2009 6:09:47pm |
re: #661 austin_blue
Gus, here's the thing.
Let's say you are driving to work and an unemployed drunk runs a red light (God forbid) and T-bones you. You get taken to the ER with a closed head wound and are placed in an induced coma to reduce brain swelling. You don't die, but you are pretty much gorked for three years, with rehab, home care, &c. You *will* get treated under the system in place, and it will cost north of a million bucks. Guess who pays for it? Your neighbors.
Is that fair? Is that equitable? Fact is, we are *already* paying for the uninsured, with very little cost control. It's a stupid system, IMO.
You make a good point, and I believe most people who aren't hopeless freeloaders want to take care of themselves. So instead of a punitive tax for not buying health insurance, how about tax credits or deductions? How about making it easier for individuals, especially the self-employed, to buy a policy? Changes like that would not require the complete overhaul of the current system, and a public option would not be necessary.
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albusteve Tue, Aug 25, 2009 6:09:54pm |
re: #668 reine.de.tout
Does Obama even know what's in the bill?
of course not...that's why his position seems so juvenile...he can't explain any of it beyond high school talking points...he's killing the bill everytime he hits the road with this mickey mouse parade of bullshit
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Sharmuta Tue, Aug 25, 2009 6:09:56pm |
re: #671 BatGuano
I was nervous the window would get fubarred.
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itellu3times Tue, Aug 25, 2009 6:10:18pm |
re: #673 Racer X
There are plenty of stupid American voters. The average American is smarter than they get credit for. They just got all caught up in the Hope and Change thing. Sorry it's not working out. I really am.
I would have preferred Obama to be wildly successful. Honest to God. He started out looking promising but then he has made so many mistakes I've lost count.
Well, it's not over until it's over, he could compromise and lose about 90% of the current bill and it might still count as progress.
In fact, more like progress than if that other 90% were included!
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Spare O'Lake Tue, Aug 25, 2009 6:10:35pm |
I had to laugh today when I saw a piece on CNN about how the Dems are now mobilizing to copy the in-your-face demonstration tactics of the extreme right.
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Racer X Tue, Aug 25, 2009 6:11:23pm |
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albusteve Tue, Aug 25, 2009 6:11:32pm |
re: #673 Racer X
There are plenty of stupid American voters. The average American is smarter than they get credit for. They just got all caught up in the Hope and Change thing. Sorry it's not working out. I really am.
I would have preferred Obama to be wildly successful. Honest to God. He started out looking promising but then he has made so many mistakes I've lost count.
I don't care for him...he's a flaming liberal, and that's the best that can be said for him...no cred, no respect...zero from me
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doppelganglander Tue, Aug 25, 2009 6:11:44pm |
re: #667 TheMatrix31
Hahahaha. I've said it a thousand times -- If I had the financial means, and found the woman I want to marry, being 21 would NOT stop me from getting married. In that respect, I'm different than all my friends. Simply not interested in messing around and being a moron.
Fortunately or unfortunately, neither the financial means nor the woman are present at the moment.
You sound like my son. He's about to turn 20 and wants to move in with his girlfriend. They are both military so they can afford it. I don't love the idea, but I'm proud that he's a one-woman man, not a player.
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itellu3times Tue, Aug 25, 2009 6:11:52pm |
re: #683 Spare O'Lake
I had to laugh today when I saw a piece on CNN about how the Dems are now mobilizing to copy the in-your-face demonstration tactics of the extreme right.
Ho
Ho
Ho Chi Minh.
Health Care Bill is going to win!
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LGoPs Tue, Aug 25, 2009 6:12:16pm |
re: #662 jcm
IIRC it was part of the campaign before he defeated HRC, prosecuting the torturers.
You're correct. The devious bastard hid his intentions in plain sight. That's why the 52% missed it.
/ Sheesh
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FightingBack Tue, Aug 25, 2009 6:12:22pm |
Dr S Glassman asks about going to Global Payment Model from Fee from Service (as has been done in Mass."
Answer: We haven't worked out the details on this. We want to add incentives to coordination of care." (In other words, more managers and more BS.)
re: #665 FightingBack
"Diversity of approaches in these legislative proposals."
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Soona' Tue, Aug 25, 2009 6:13:04pm |
re: #668 reine.de.tout
Does Obama even know what's in the bill?
It's been obvious for some time now: No. And he doesn't care. Because it's not about healthcare or insurance.
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LGoPs Tue, Aug 25, 2009 6:13:14pm |
re: #683 Spare O'Lake
I had to laugh today when I saw a piece on CNN about how the Dems are now mobilizing to copy the in-your-face demonstration tactics of the extreme right.
Of course, those will be referred to as grass roots. Not to be confused with us roobs doin' the astro turf thing.
/ Fuck.
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The Shadow Do Tue, Aug 25, 2009 6:13:18pm |
re: #661 austin_blue
Your going to have to explain what is unfair in your scenario. Was the individual treated or not?
I'd say that is pretty equitable treatment for someone without a policy, wouldn't you?
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Killgore Trout Tue, Aug 25, 2009 6:13:20pm |
re: #682 itellu3times
I'm guessing we're going to get a very watered down version of the bill when it passes. I'll be happy enough if it reduces medical costs and helps individuals who have to buy their own insurance. We'll have to wait and see what happens.
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MandyManners Tue, Aug 25, 2009 6:13:39pm |
re: #673 Racer X
There are plenty of stupid American voters. The average American is smarter than they get credit for. They just got all caught up in the Hope and Change thing. Sorry it's not working out. I really am.
I would have preferred Obama to be wildly successful. Honest to God. He started out looking promising but then he has made so many mistakes I've lost count.
You wanted him to succeed in shoving his socialist agenda down our throats?
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Racer X Tue, Aug 25, 2009 6:13:46pm |
re: #628 Killgore Trout
Very few people are actually complaining about the bill. They're complaining about death panels and fascism. I wish we had people complaining about things actually in the bill.
And another thing - why the rush to cram this up our ass? Why not take time and debate it and get it right? Nancy and Harry put this thing together - you don't think Obama wrote it do you?
Lets get it right.
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reine.de.tout Tue, Aug 25, 2009 6:13:47pm |
re: #690 buzzsawmonkey
How about my NOT reading 5 or 6 thousand pages of crap and trying to cross-reference them with existing statutes, and instead demanding that the people who are hired to represent my interests come up, first, with a reason (or several) why ANY of this is necessary or even advisable.
I thought that's what Yochanan meant, not that YOU should read 'em
He doesn't always explain himself perfectly.
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itellu3times Tue, Aug 25, 2009 6:13:48pm |
re: #690 buzzsawmonkey
How about my NOT reading 5 or 6 thousand pages of crap and trying to cross-reference them with existing statutes, and instead demanding that the people who are hired to represent my interests come up, first, with a reason (or several) why ANY of this is necessary or even advisable.
We might say you're a dreamer,
But you're not the only one.
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jcm Tue, Aug 25, 2009 6:14:52pm |
re: #688 LGoPs
You're correct. The devious bastard hid his intentions in plain sight. That's why the 52% missed it.
/ Sheesh
Everything about The Wee Won was in plain sight.
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LGoPs Tue, Aug 25, 2009 6:14:59pm |
re: #685 albusteve
I don't care for him...he's a flaming liberal, and that's the best that can be said for him...no cred, no respect...zero from me
I prefer to refer to him as a radical. Which is what he is.
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BatGuano Tue, Aug 25, 2009 6:15:49pm |
re: #681 Sharmuta
I've hit 666 twice that I know of but I didn't TRY TO DO IT!:)
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itellu3times Tue, Aug 25, 2009 6:15:50pm |
re: #694 Killgore Trout
I'm guessing we're going to get a very watered down version of the bill when it passes. I'll be happy enough if it reduces medical costs and helps individuals who have to buy their own insurance. We'll have to wait and see what happens.
It won't reduce costs because it doesn't really try, and for that matter I can't imagine how it could.
It might help people purchase insurance by making it deductible and issuing a tax credit for people whose income doesn't cover it sufficiently. Hmm, what recent Republican presidential candidate suggested pretty much that?
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Gus Tue, Aug 25, 2009 6:15:52pm |
re: #679 doppelganglander
You make a good point, and I believe most people who aren't hopeless freeloaders want to take care of themselves. So instead of a punitive tax for not buying health insurance, how about tax credits or deductions? How about making it easier for individuals, especially the self-employed, to buy a policy? Changes like that would not require the complete overhaul of the current system, and a public option would not be necessary.
Or even provide tax incentives to the insurance companies to lower rates. Odd that there doesn't seem to be any mention of tax deductions in HR 3200 -- unless I missed it. There's a variety of free-market alternatives or supplements that can be applied.
I head someone the other day argue that the idea of the public option would be to force insurance companies to lower rates since the government option could hold up against the competition. If true it's the first time I ever heard of creating a government entity to compete with the private sector to force prices in the private sector down. How can that be done since it will eat into the GDP.
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lawhawk Tue, Aug 25, 2009 6:15:57pm |
re: #628 Killgore Trout
Very few people are actually complaining about the bill. They're complaining about death panels and fascism. I wish we had people complaining about things actually in the bill.
Can Democrats actually tell you what's in the bill? Most of them haven't bothered to read legislation before them, so why start now? I'm sure some have been fed their talking points in caucus, but they probably don't have any idea what is in the bill.
As in, did you realize that there's a provision in the bill that's designed to give the IRS no leeway in penalties - it's strict liability if you screw up on your tax returns. That's primarily because penalties is a big way to raise revenue. It's a revenue thing,
Then, there's the tax treatment of businesses that want to provide coverage, but don't provide the government's accepted minimum coverage.
Those businesses would be hit with $100 per day per employee until they come into compliance.
Employers who elect to provide coverage but whose health benefit plans fail to meet the proposal’s minimum health coverage participation requirement are subject to an excise tax of $100 per day for each employee to whom the failure applies.30 The excise tax does not apply to (1) periods during which an employer used reasonable diligence but did not discover any failures, and (2) failures that are corrected within 30 days of discovery (but only if such failures are due to reasonable cause and not willful neglect). Excise taxes imposed on employers for unintentional failures (i.e., due to reasonable cause and not to willful neglect) are limited to the lesser of: 10 percent of the aggregate amount paid or incurred by the employer during the
preceding taxable year for group health plans, or $500,000. There are parallel civil penalties provided in ERISA and PHSA.31 The excise tax with respect to any failure is reduced (but not below zero) by the amount of any civil penalty collected under these parallel provisions.
Oh, and this would take effect for taxable years beginning after 2012.
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austin_blue Tue, Aug 25, 2009 6:15:59pm |
re: #679 doppelganglander
You make a good point, and I believe most people who aren't hopeless freeloaders want to take care of themselves. So instead of a punitive tax for not buying health insurance, how about tax credits or deductions? How about making it easier for individuals, especially the self-employed, to buy a policy? Changes like that would not require the complete overhaul of the current system, and a public option would not be necessary.
I don't disagree, but God help you if you have any kind of "pre-existing condition". Back pain? A diagnosis of transient hypertension? Had a mole removed? You won't be able to get insurance of any kind without huge deductibles and premiums. And I mean huge, crippling costs.
Without an expansion of the existing public options, you and your family are shit out of luck.
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Racer X Tue, Aug 25, 2009 6:16:06pm |
re: #690 buzzsawmonkey
How about my NOT reading 5 or 6 thousand pages of crap and trying to cross-reference them with existing statutes, and instead demanding that the people who are hired to represent my interests come up, first, with a reason (or several) why ANY of this is necessary or even advisable.
Health care reform is a big issue - costs are currently going through the roof. But you have to ask why are costs going up? What is driving that?
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Killgore Trout Tue, Aug 25, 2009 6:16:19pm |
re: #696 Racer X
It's not really much of a rush. The Dems have been working on this since the Clinton years. The debate has been going on for decades. It's not a surprise that Obama wants to seal this up before midterm elections. There's not much of a chance of the Dems losing majority but anything can happen. They aren't even going to vote on it until November. There's plenty of time.
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itellu3times Tue, Aug 25, 2009 6:16:25pm |
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albusteve Tue, Aug 25, 2009 6:17:00pm |
re: #694 Killgore Trout
I'm guessing we're going to get a very watered down version of the bill when it passes. I'll be happy enough if it reduces medical costs and helps individuals who have to buy their own insurance. We'll have to wait and see what happens.
that's fine, just submit...but don't nit pic and criticize those voters who are not happy and demonstrate it any way they know how, regardless of their knowledge of the bills...people are pissed and they have a right to be
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FightingBack Tue, Aug 25, 2009 6:17:11pm |
We'll work on "bringing quality up." "We'll prevent medical errors"
"The President absolutely believes in this" "We need to work together"
POTUS believes caps "can be unfair to people." We think about a range of ideas. Doctors can practice the medicine they were trained to do."
(In other words, BS.)
re: #689 FightingBack
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LGoPs Tue, Aug 25, 2009 6:17:27pm |
re: #702 BatGuano
I've hit 666 twice that I know of but I didn't TRY TO DO IT!:)
Stand on your head and it'll be 999...
/ :)
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Racer X Tue, Aug 25, 2009 6:17:33pm |
re: #694 Killgore Trout
I'm guessing we're going to get a very watered down version of the bill when it passes. I'll be happy enough if it reduces medical costs and helps individuals who have to buy their own insurance. We'll have to wait and see what happens.
You know what, that is all any of us really want. Simple.
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jcm Tue, Aug 25, 2009 6:18:00pm |
re: #702 BatGuano
I've hit 666 twice that I know of but I didn't TRY TO DO IT!:)
We have met the beast and we are it.
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Sharmuta Tue, Aug 25, 2009 6:18:07pm |
re: #702 BatGuano
I've hit 666 twice that I know of but I didn't TRY TO DO IT!:)
I thought it would be a cute joke.
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Gus Tue, Aug 25, 2009 6:18:24pm |
Later. Must go get some life shortening cigarettes while helping fund SCHIP.
//
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Racer X Tue, Aug 25, 2009 6:18:32pm |
re: #695 MandyManners
You wanted him to succeed in shoving his socialist agenda down our throats?
NO!
I wanted him to get the intel briefings (and the sekrit memos and stuff) and wake the hell up.
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itellu3times Tue, Aug 25, 2009 6:18:32pm |
re: #707 Racer X
Health care reform is a big issue - costs are currently going through the roof. But you have to ask why are costs going up? What is driving that?
The biggest factor is that there are technologies and drugs and services people want. This was not the case even fifty years ago. And the trend is to more (expensive) tech in medicine.
"The answer" is for the feds to underwrite some insurance, some services.
But not all, that does not follow and will not work, and does not in any way address the secular trends.
| 720 |
Soona' Tue, Aug 25, 2009 6:19:03pm |
re: #702 BatGuano
I've hit 666 twice that I know of but I didn't TRY TO DO IT!:)
Yeah right, Beelzebub. ;)
| 722 |
Spare O'Lake Tue, Aug 25, 2009 6:19:36pm |
re: #695 MandyManners
You wanted him to succeed in shoving his socialist agenda down our throats?
Down the throat or up the ass,
Obamacare must come to pass.
| 723 |
austin_blue Tue, Aug 25, 2009 6:20:03pm |
re: #694 Killgore Trout
I'm guessing we're going to get a very watered down version of the bill when it passes. I'll be happy enough if it reduces medical costs and helps individuals who have to buy their own insurance. We'll have to wait and see what happens.
KT-
Do you think that can possibly happen without an expansion of the existing public options?
| 724 |
doppelganglander Tue, Aug 25, 2009 6:20:06pm |
re: #704 Gus 802
Or even provide tax incentives to the insurance companies to lower rates. Odd that there doesn't seem to be any mention of tax deductions in HR 3200 -- unless I missed it. There's a variety of free-market alternatives or supplements that can be applied.
I head someone the other day argue that the idea of the public option would be to force insurance companies to lower rates since the government option could hold up against the competition. If true it's the first time I ever heard of creating a government entity to compete with the private sector to force prices in the private sector down. How can that be done since it will eat into the GDP.
The public option would undercut private insurers since it doesn't need to make a profit or even break even. The Dems won't even consider free market solutions or tax breaks. I believe the entire point of the public option is to drive private insurers out of business and force everyone to rely on a version of Medicare. Except Congress, of course; they get the Cadillac plan.
| 728 |
Racer X Tue, Aug 25, 2009 6:21:34pm |
re: #708 Killgore Trout
It's not really much of a rush. The Dems have been working on this since the Clinton years. The debate has been going on for decades. It's not a surprise that Obama wants to seal this up before midterm elections. There's not much of a chance of the Dems losing majority but anything can happen. They aren't even going to vote on it until November. There's plenty of time.
Wait - you're saying THIS is the plan the the Dems having been working on for YEARS? Seriously?
AND it is really all about politics?
| 729 |
The Shadow Do Tue, Aug 25, 2009 6:21:43pm |
re: #724 doppelganglander
The public option would undercut private insurers since it doesn't need to make a profit or even break even. The Dems won't even consider free market solutions or tax breaks. I believe the entire point of the public option is to drive private insurers out of business and force everyone to rely on a version of Medicare. Except Congress, of course; they get the Cadillac plan.
It really isn't complicated, is it?
| 730 |
itellu3times Tue, Aug 25, 2009 6:22:00pm |
| 732 |
SasquatchOnSteroids Tue, Aug 25, 2009 6:22:58pm |
We're talking about handing a huge chunk of money to a government that has shown exactly how much restraint ?
Pork barrel projects were supposed to end, a new era of bipartisanship, blahblahblah.
Good luck.
| 733 |
Racer X Tue, Aug 25, 2009 6:24:14pm |
| 734 |
MandyManners Tue, Aug 25, 2009 6:24:38pm |
re: #717 Racer X
NO!
I wanted him to get the intel briefings (and the sekrit memos and stuff) and wake the hell up.
I think he woke up somewhat but, he is still determined to shove his agenda down our throats.
| 735 |
jcm Tue, Aug 25, 2009 6:25:13pm |
re: #724 doppelganglander
The public option would undercut private insurers since it doesn't need to make a profit or even break even. The Dems won't even consider free market solutions or tax breaks. I believe the entire point of the public option is to drive private insurers out of business and force everyone to rely on a version of Medicare. Except Congress, of course; they get the Cadillac plan.
Chuckie Schumkie on Meet the Depressed.
And the public option we've proposed is not one of these big government control things. The government sets it up. It has a different model. It doesn't have to make a profit or merchandise as much, so its costs are probably 20 percent lower. But then, on a level playing field, it competes with private insurance. And one thing I want to underscore, David, is it not a mandate, it's an option. If you like your, your present insurance, whether you're an employer or an individual, you keep it and it doesn't change.
| 736 |
Soona' Tue, Aug 25, 2009 6:26:10pm |
re: #728 Racer X
Wait - you're saying THIS is the plan the the Dems having been working on for YEARS? Seriously?
AND it is really all about politics?
Duh!
//
| 737 |
Racer X Tue, Aug 25, 2009 6:26:13pm |
re: #727 buzzsawmonkey
Health care costs are a big issue. Until there is a discussion--open, comprehensive--about the reasons for those costs, "health care reform" is not an issue at all.
I tell my clients that money is the last thing you talk about in a contract negotiation, because until you know what's being bought or sold you don't know what the price should be.
The same principle applies here. Until the problems are discussed--costs, their cause and the reasons for those costs--are discussed and there is some nominal agreement on what to do to address those causes, there is nothing whatsoever to talk about. But instead, we are getting proposals to "reform the system" without discussing these things, so nobody knows what the hell is being "reformed."
No wonder this whole thing resembles the confusion of a fire in a whorehouse.
Excellent post.
Thanks.
| 738 |
jcm Tue, Aug 25, 2009 6:26:41pm |
re: #733 Racer X
I don't know how to react to that.
LOL! I think Mandy first linked that gem, just imagine going to the office party in those!
| 739 |
Killgore Trout Tue, Aug 25, 2009 6:27:15pm |
re: #723 austin_blue
KT-
Do you think that can possibly happen without an expansion of the existing public options?
Last I heard the Blue Dogs were balking at having a public option and that it was unlikely to happen. Personally a prefer it that way.
| 740 |
yochanan Tue, Aug 25, 2009 6:27:28pm |
re: #677 jcm
More fundamental question, can congresscritters read?
WELL THEY CAN READ THE DIFF. BETWEEN A C-NOTE AND SAW BUCK.
and some of them even have very cold cash.
| 741 |
jcm Tue, Aug 25, 2009 6:28:19pm |
re: #740 yochanan
WELL THEY CAN READ THE DIFF. BETWEEN A C-NOTE AND SAW BUCK.
and some of them even have very cold cash.
What's in it for me!
The only language they understand.
| 742 |
TheMatrix31 Tue, Aug 25, 2009 6:28:35pm |
re: #727 buzzsawmonkey
Health care costs are a big issue. Until there is a discussion--open, comprehensive--about the reasons for those costs, "health care reform" is not an issue at all.
I tell my clients that money is the last thing you talk about in a contract negotiation, because until you know what's being bought or sold you don't know what the price should be.
The same principle applies here. Until the problems are discussed--costs, their cause and the reasons for those costs--are discussed and there is some nominal agreement on what to do to address those causes, there is nothing whatsoever to talk about. But instead, we are getting proposals to "reform the system" without discussing these things, so nobody knows what the hell is being "reformed."
No wonder this whole thing resembles the confusion of a fire in a whorehouse.
Its seriously like the campaign. Hope and change, hope and change, without knowing what the fuck they want to change. Of course, WE knew, but the majority of the people didn't.
| 743 |
VioletTiger Tue, Aug 25, 2009 6:29:03pm |
re: #727 buzzsawmonkey
Exactly.
I have yet to see any leader articulate the problem clearly, and relate the problem to the proposed solution.
Why are costs high? Are we getting what we pay for? What role would tort reform play in bringing costs down? What role does Medicare and Medicaide play in the current state of costs?
I remember when health insurance was for 'big' things like accidents, operations, major illnesses. You paid out of pocket for routine care. Now many people expect that doctor visit to be free and unions flip out over $5 copays. Insurance is not the same thing as healthcare. If insurance is truly 'broken', buying people a ticket to the broken system seems counterproductive.
| 744 |
SasquatchOnSteroids Tue, Aug 25, 2009 6:29:15pm |
Next week there'll be the story of the old lady whom a Republican stole all of her pills and burnt her house down.
Pass it if you've got the balls, 'cause you've got the votes.
| 745 |
Killgore Trout Tue, Aug 25, 2009 6:30:07pm |
You guys will enjoy this...
Video: Michelle and Glenn Beck on radicals in the White House
Seekrit Marksist iz gonna git me!
| 746 |
albusteve Tue, Aug 25, 2009 6:31:06pm |
re: #743 VioletTiger
Exactly.
I have yet to see any leader articulate the problem clearly, and relate the problem to the proposed solution.
Why are costs high? Are we getting what we pay for? What role would tort reform play in bringing costs down? What role does Medicare and Medicaide play in the current state of costs?I remember when health insurance was for 'big' things like accidents, operations, major illnesses. You paid out of pocket for routine care. Now many people expect that doctor visit to be free and unions flip out over $5 copays. Insurance is not the same thing as healthcare. If insurance is truly 'broken', buying people a ticket to the broken system seems counterproductive.
the admin won't address why costs are so high because they are a large part of that reason...these people are drowning in fraud and deceit...BO is smack in the middle...kill the bill
| 747 |
Dark_Falcon Tue, Aug 25, 2009 6:31:35pm |
re: #739 Killgore Trout
Last I heard the Blue Dogs were balking at having a public option and that it was unlikely to happen. Personally a prefer it that way.
As do I. I'm all for reform, but I don't want a government takeover. And a takeover is the probably end result of a public option.
| 748 |
MandyManners Tue, Aug 25, 2009 6:32:06pm |
re: #735 jcm
It doesn't have to make a profit or merchandise as much, so its costs are probably 20 percent lower.
Doesn't the drive for profit help keep costs down in the real world?
| 749 |
LGoPs Tue, Aug 25, 2009 6:33:25pm |
re: #742 TheMatrix31
Its seriously like the campaign. Hope and change, hope and change, without knowing what the fuck they want to change. Of course, WE knew, but the majority of the people didn't.
The essence of Alynskyite tactics is to destroy the existing order, but without having anything to replace it with. The link below is from David Horowitz and while a bit lengthy, is a good explanantion of the bankruptcy of their ideas. Bastards, every one of them.
[Link: frontpagemagazine.com...]
| 750 |
austin_blue Tue, Aug 25, 2009 6:33:55pm |
re: #746 albusteve
the admin won't address why costs are so high because they are a large part of that reason...these people are drowning in fraud and deceit...BO is smack in the middle...kill the bill
Ahem.
How can an Admin in power since 1/09 be a large part of the rise in health care costs over the last 30 years?
Does that not sound silly to you?
| 751 |
TheMatrix31 Tue, Aug 25, 2009 6:34:57pm |
re: #749 LGoPs
The essence of Alynskyite tactics is to destroy the existing order, but without having anything to replace it with. The link below is from David Horowitz and while a bit lengthy, is a good explanantion of the bankruptcy of their ideas. Bastards, every one of them.
[Link: frontpagemagazine.com...]
Yep yep yep
| 752 |
Dark_Falcon Tue, Aug 25, 2009 6:36:51pm |
re: #745 Killgore Trout
You guys will enjoy this...
Video: Michelle and Glenn Beck on radicals in the White House
[Video]Seekrit Marksist iz gonna git me!
Killgore, please repost that on the next thread so it doesn't get forgotten.
| 753 |
Racer X Tue, Aug 25, 2009 6:36:54pm |
re: #750 austin_blue
Ahem.
How can an Admin in power since 1/09 be a large part of the rise in health care costs over the last 30 years?
Does that not sound silly to you?
I think he may have meant "The Government™"
| 755 |
austin_blue Tue, Aug 25, 2009 6:37:12pm |
re: #748 MandyManners
It doesn't have to make a profit or merchandise as much, so its costs are probably 20 percent lower.
Doesn't the drive for profit help keep costs down in the real world?
Mandy, with all due respect, you are kidding, right? Compare the rise in health care costs in the US with the rest of the western world. Not even close.
And by the way, I am in complete agreement that tort reform must be an integral part of any expansion of the existing public options.
| 756 |
The Shadow Do Tue, Aug 25, 2009 6:37:30pm |
re: #750 austin_blue
Ahem.
How can an Admin in power since 1/09 be a large part of the rise in health care costs over the last 30 years?
Does that not sound silly to you?
Block tort reform
Block cross state competition
Block Tax credits to individuals
Block HSA's
There's more
| 757 |
jcm Tue, Aug 25, 2009 6:37:40pm |
re: #748 MandyManners
It doesn't have to make a profit or merchandise as much, so its costs are probably 20 percent lower.
Doesn't the drive for profit help keep costs down in the real world?
Ding!
| 758 |
albusteve Tue, Aug 25, 2009 6:38:18pm |
re: #750 austin_blue
Ahem.
How can an Admin in power since 1/09 be a large part of the rise in health care costs over the last 30 years?
Does that not sound silly to you?
Axelrod...where does pharm money go?...where does lawyer money go?...ever hear of John Edwards?
| 759 |
jcm Tue, Aug 25, 2009 6:38:43pm |
re: #755 austin_blue
Mandy, with all due respect, you are kidding, right? Compare the rise in health care costs in the US with the rest of the western world. Not even close.
And by the way, I am in complete agreement that tort reform must be an integral part of any expansion of the existing public options.
Try to get what's available here in the rest of the world.
Not even close.
| 760 |
LGoPs Tue, Aug 25, 2009 6:38:45pm |
re: #745 Killgore Trout
You guys will enjoy this...
Video: Michelle and Glenn Beck on radicals in the White HouseSeekrit Marksist iz gonna git me!
And most importantly, Obama doesn't wear an I Heart Lenin button so he must be ok. Nothing to see here. Just move along...
/
| 762 |
Killgore Trout Tue, Aug 25, 2009 6:38:54pm |
re: #754 buzzsawmonkey
Cuz Obama iz gunna put you and Glenn Beck on a watch list 4 askin' questions!
I'll admit I couldn't watch the whole interview. I just find it too silly.
| 763 |
FightingBack Tue, Aug 25, 2009 6:39:41pm |
Ok, so I just wasted an hour on the WH conference call for Physicians.
2700 doctors listened in.
The summary was that "Our System is not working, and we must change it" (direct quote.)
All questions asked were softballs, and no actual information on how anything can be done was offered. Some blather about preventive care was mentioned, nothing useful. A lot of repetitive verbiage about co-pays and management improvements (read: expand government spending) was offered. They threw a barb at the tort reform in Texas ("results not what was expected.") Someone suggested a WH conference on "end of life issues." They closed the call because it was "time for the doctors on the East coast to go to sleep [9:30 PM]"
They're hoping we stay asleep.
| 765 |
austin_blue Tue, Aug 25, 2009 6:41:15pm |
re: #761 taxfreekiller
Mass killer Castro of Cuba likes what Obama is doing with the U.S. Health Care bill.
That fact counts in the Commie world some say.
Oh, I'm so sorry, are we allowed to call a red commie, a red commie,
or does that too, hurt progressive Democrat feelings?
Gabby Johnson! No, it doesn't hurt my feelings.
| 766 |
VioletTiger Tue, Aug 25, 2009 6:41:49pm |
re: #763 FightingBack
Do you think the questions were planted?
| 767 |
Killgore Trout Tue, Aug 25, 2009 6:42:12pm |
re: #764 buzzsawmonkey
I didn't answer the questions because they were strawmen. I never claimed that right wing lunatics were a threat to the Republic and I never claimed that Marxists were not. I don't know why I should defend positions that I don't believe.
| 768 |
austin_blue Tue, Aug 25, 2009 6:42:21pm |
re: #759 jcm
Try to get what's available here in the rest of the world.
Not even close.
And yet, by any performance metric, they kick our ass. Odd world, ain't it?
| 769 |
LGoPs Tue, Aug 25, 2009 6:46:02pm |
re: #767 Killgore Trout
I didn't answer the questions because they were strawmen. I never claimed that right wing lunatics were a threat to the Republic and I never claimed that Marxists were not. I don't know why I should defend positions that I don't believe.
You obsessively look under every bush imaginable to illustrate and point out those 'right wing lunatics' but are strangely silent on the 'Marxists' or radical leftists.
I believe that telegraphs your position, whether you admit to it or not.
| 770 |
jcm Tue, Aug 25, 2009 6:46:10pm |
re: #768 austin_blue
And yet, by any performance metric, they kick our ass. Odd world, ain't it?
Which metrics, the ones put out by WHO which are tilted?
| 771 |
Killgore Trout Tue, Aug 25, 2009 6:47:32pm |
re: #769 LGoPs
I believe that telegraphs your position, whether you admit to it or not.
You are free to imagine whatever you wish just don't expect me to reinforce whatever alternate reality you create.
| 772 |
Racer X Tue, Aug 25, 2009 6:47:37pm |
re: #763 FightingBack
Thanks for the liveblogging of the call.
Sounds like the white house has a firm grasp on what is needed. Ha!
| 773 |
albusteve Tue, Aug 25, 2009 6:48:05pm |
re: #767 Killgore Trout
I didn't answer the questions because they were strawmen. I never claimed that right wing lunatics were a threat to the Republic and I never claimed that Marxists were not. I don't know why I should defend positions that I don't believe.
I don't believe you just said that...
| 774 |
sngnsgt Tue, Aug 25, 2009 6:48:06pm |
I'm late getting here and I'm sure it's already been brought up. I saw earlier on Hannity, he referenced the "Bush National Guard memo" and there was no mention of Charles or LGF. Anyone else notice?
| 775 |
austin_blue Tue, Aug 25, 2009 6:48:48pm |
re: #770 jcm
Which metrics, the ones put out by WHO which are tilted?
No. Longevity, women dying in childbirth, low birth weights, infant mortality, you name it. We get waxed. Why do you think that is? Facts are facts. Hard to fiddle facts.
| 776 |
Killgore Trout Tue, Aug 25, 2009 6:49:37pm |
| 778 |
LGoPs Tue, Aug 25, 2009 6:52:44pm |
re: #771 Killgore Trout
You are free to imagine whatever you wish just don't expect me to reinforce whatever alternate reality you create.
That's fine. But I find your technique reminiscent of leftists I've encountered most of my life. Never up front or straight forward about their agenda. Always resorting to smarmy ridicule rather than open discussion - kind of like smart ass teenagers. Don't know or care what you are but that's what I suspect.
| 779 |
jcm Tue, Aug 25, 2009 6:53:07pm |
re: #775 austin_blue
No. Longevity, women dying in childbirth, low birth weights, infant mortality, you name it. We get waxed. Why do you think that is? Facts are facts. Hard to fiddle facts.
Myth #3 Americans have a higher infant mortality rate
Many countries in the world do not count infant mortality the same. Even first world countries will not count babies that are born alive and die within a day or so. They just mark those babies as miscarriages. This may tell you something about how they intrinsically don’t value life. In the US however, we count every baby as a live birth the moment he or she is born.
| 781 |
doppelganglander Tue, Aug 25, 2009 6:53:54pm |
re: #735 jcm
Schmucky Schumer has a weird definition of level playing field.
| 782 |
austin_blue Tue, Aug 25, 2009 6:55:02pm |
re: #779 jcm
Myth #3 Americans have a higher infant mortality rate
Many countries in the world do not count infant mortality the same. Even first world countries will not count babies that are born alive and die within a day or so. They just mark those babies as miscarriages. This may tell you something about how they intrinsically don’t value life. In the US however, we count every baby as a live birth the moment he or she is born.
Do me a favor. Don't quote radical religious websites as if they don't spin. Disingenuous.
| 783 |
jcm Tue, Aug 25, 2009 6:55:50pm |
re: #781 doppelganglander
Schmucky Schumer has a weird definition of level playing field.
This the guy that would take away my guns, but has the taxpayer provide an armed escort.
| 785 |
solomonpanting Tue, Aug 25, 2009 6:56:03pm |
re: #775 austin_blue
No. Longevity, women dying in childbirth, low birth weights, infant mortality, you name it. We get waxed. Why do you think that is? Facts are facts. Hard to fiddle facts.
Myth Number ___
Subtract murder and vehicle deaths and the US has the highest longevity in the world.
| 786 |
jcm Tue, Aug 25, 2009 6:59:30pm |
re: #785 solomonpanting
Myth Number ___
Subtract murder and vehicle deaths and the US has the highest longevity in the world.
CDC: U.S. Life Expectancy Hits New High
U.S. life expectancy has risen to a new high, now standing at nearly 78 years, the government reported Wednesday.
| 788 |
itellu3times Tue, Aug 25, 2009 7:00:40pm |
re: #775 austin_blue
No. Longevity, women dying in childbirth, low birth weights, infant mortality, you name it. We get waxed. Why do you think that is? Facts are facts. Hard to fiddle facts.
Easy to fiddle statistics.
Cut out the illegal aliens and get back to me on those numbers.
| 789 |
jcm Tue, Aug 25, 2009 7:01:04pm |
re: #782 austin_blue
Do me a favor. Don't quote radical religious websites as if they don't spin. Disingenuous.
Many nations do not count very small babies as live births. Hence, they don’t count as deaths either. In France and Belgium, for example, babies born before 26 weeks are automatically considered stillborn, states Bernardine Healy.
| 790 |
Killgore Trout Tue, Aug 25, 2009 7:01:26pm |
re: #777 buzzsawmonkey
Both Malkin and Beck have spewed so many outright lies over the past six months that I no longer take them seriously enough to fact check. When Beck starts off the interview talking about how he and his viewers are going to end up on a government I laughed out loud. I find it all very silly. I posted it for people here, not for myself. I couldn't watch the whole thing but I though you guys would like it.
| 793 |
austin_blue Tue, Aug 25, 2009 7:04:01pm |
re: #785 solomonpanting
Myth Number ___
Subtract murder and vehicle deaths and the US has the highest longevity in the world.
Ahem. No. Murder and car accidents account for 1 out of 24 deaths in the US, many of them elderly. Here:
[Link: www.washingtonpost.com...]
Granted, that's from the CDC, but who are you gonna believe?
___
| 795 |
Killgore Trout Tue, Aug 25, 2009 7:04:17pm |
re: #790 Killgore Trout
Government watch list
/I stink
| 796 |
albusteve Tue, Aug 25, 2009 7:05:10pm |
| 797 |
jcm Tue, Aug 25, 2009 7:06:16pm |
re: #793 austin_blue
Ahem. No. Murder and car accidents account for 1 out of 24 deaths in the US, many of them elderly. Here:
[Link: www.washingtonpost.com...]
Granted, that's from the CDC, but who are you gonna believe?
___
I suppose you think the Cuba model is the cat's meow?
| 798 |
austin_blue Tue, Aug 25, 2009 7:08:19pm |
re: #797 jcm
I suppose you think the Cuba model is the cat's meow?
Of course not. Cuba is doing the best it can with no fucking money, but it is hardly a model. Cheap shot, and unbecoming.
| 799 |
jcm Tue, Aug 25, 2009 7:10:17pm |
re: #798 austin_blue
Of course not. Cuba is doing the best it can with no fucking money, but it is hardly a model. Cheap shot, and unbecoming.
Recon by fire.
| 801 |
Spare O'Lake Tue, Aug 25, 2009 7:22:16pm |
re: #800 taxfreekiller
The U.S.A. will not be able to do the best it can once these loon Democrats blow in all the money and there is no f'n money except to
pay the f'n bills and taxes these nut jobs have run up.
Dismantle what's left of the borders, allow the whole third world to immigrate, make them all citizens, and then tax their sorry asses off.
/
| 802 |
solomonpanting Tue, Aug 25, 2009 7:26:53pm |
re: #793 austin_blue
Ahem. No. Murder and car accidents account for 1 out of 24 deaths in the US, many of them elderly. Here:
[Link: www.washingtonpost.com...]
Granted, that's from the CDC, but who are you gonna believe?
___
We're talking around 80,000 deaths from murder and vehicle accidents, no small number.
| 804 |
Soona' Tue, Aug 25, 2009 7:48:50pm |
re: #785 solomonpanting
Myth Number ___
Subtract murder and vehicle deaths and the US has the highest longevity in the world.
And so many of the murders are in the black, socialist paradise neighborhoods and housing projects.
| 805 |
solomonpanting Tue, Aug 25, 2009 8:00:59pm |
re: #804 Soona'
And so many of the murders are in the black, socialist paradise neighborhoods and housing projects.
A very unfortunate thing, for sure.
| 807 |
5string Wed, Aug 26, 2009 8:18:30am |
About the strings: The big long neck instrument in the back is an acoustic bass. It has 4 strings normally tuned the same as the lowest pitched 4 strings on the guitar - EADG. The mandolin that Tim O'Brien (the vocalist) is playing actually has 8 strings. They are arranged in 4 pairs tuned to GDAE. This is to mostly to increase the volume for this small instrument and it provides some sweet overtones. They appear visually as 4 strings unless you look closely. When his fingers fret the strings he actually presses the pair. The guitar and the slide guitar each have 6 strings. In both cases they are using brass wound strings for the 4 lowest pitch strings and so the 2 unwound high strings are almost visible. The guitar player is playing left handed so his lowest pitched strings appear to be on the other side of the fret board. The brass winding around the steel core increases the mass of the string so they can be stretched tighter to produce more volume at low frequencies.
Sorry if someone already explained this but I only got through the first 100 or so comments on this thread.
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Views: 401 • Comments: 0 • Rating: 1- Pictures From Today’s Exhibition of Paintings Done by Jane LilienthalPROPS TO MICHELE AND SAGEHEN FOR CATCHING THE SPELLING ERROR IN THE TITLE THAT MY DIABETIC EYES COULDN'T CATCH I wanted to share pictures of the art show I visited today. The portraits were created by the mother of my ...Joe Bacon ✅
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March FavoritesYou've seen these all already but looking back, just because. These are my favorite shots of this last month. That 1937 Zeiss Sonnar is such a gloriously wonderful bit of glass. Thanks for looking.
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Russia’s New Combat Robots Blown Up by Drones Near Avdiivka When we landed on the moon, I thought about how science fiction had become real. Now, the robot wars have begun. It's more poignant somehow on the ground than in the missile wars we have in the air as ...
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Why Did More Than 1,000 People Die After Police Subdued Them With Force That Isn’t Meant to Kill? An investigation led by The Associated Press has found that, over a decade, more than 1,000 people died after police subdued them through physical holds, stun guns, body blows and other force not intended to be lethal. More: Why ... Cheechako
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Views: 577 • Comments: 1 • Rating: 5- A Closer Look at the Eastman State Bar DecisionTaking a few minutes away from work things to read through the Eastman decision. As I'm sure many of you know, Eastman was my law school con law professor. I knew him pretty well because I was also running in ...KGxvi
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The Pandemic Cost 7 Million Lives, but Talks to Prevent a Repeat Stall In late 2021, as the world reeled from the arrival of the highly contagious omicron variant of the coronavirus, representatives of almost 200 countries met - some online, some in-person in Geneva - hoping to forestall a future worldwide ... Cheechako
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Texas County at Center of Border Fight Is Overwhelmed by Migrant Deaths EAGLE PASS, Tex. - The undertaker lighted a cigarette and held it between his latex-gloved fingers as he stood over the bloated body bag lying in the bed of his battered pickup truck. The woman had been fished out ... Cheechako
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