RIP, Ted Kennedy

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Senator Ted Kennedy died today at the age of 77. His family has issued the following statement:

Edward M. Kennedy — the husband, father, grandfather, brother and uncle we loved so deeply — died late Tuesday night at home in Hyannis Port. We’ve lost the irreplaceable center of our family and joyous light in our lives, but the inspiration of his faith, optimism, and perseverance will live on in our hearts forever. We thank everyone who gave him care and support over this last year, and everyone who stood with him for so many years in his tireless march for progress toward justice, fairness and opportunity for all. He loved this country and devoted his life to serving it. He always believed that our best days were still ahead, but it’s hard to imagine any of them without him.

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1 [deleted]  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 8:53:42am
2 Charles Johnson  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 8:53:56am

I wish I didn't have to say this, but any comments trashing Kennedy will be deleted, and anyone who persists despite this warning will lose their account.

3 Kosh's Shadow  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 8:54:21am

If some real news happens, like new developments in the Michael Jackson death, or a nuclear war, Boston TV stations will have the problem of deciding whether to break their constant Kennedy coverage to give the new developments.

4 Wendya  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 8:54:33am

My condolences to his family.

5 Danny  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 8:54:37am

Always hard to lose a loved one for any family.

6 Kosh's Shadow  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 8:54:48am

re: #2 Charles

I wish I didn't have to say this, but any comments trashing Kennedy will be deleted, and anyone who persists despite this warning will lose their account.

I can't believe that would happen with the first message!

7 laZardo  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 8:55:02am

I didn't agree with some of his stances, but he deserves admiration for at least genuinely standing up for them.

Rest In Peace.

8 mikalm  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 8:55:17am

Rest in peace, Senator. Prayers to your family and friends.

9 [deleted]  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 8:55:24am
10 Dianna  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 8:55:29am

RIP.

And - just for today - follow the mom rule: If you can't say anything nice, don't say anything at all.

11 Dad O' Blondes  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 8:55:48am

Amen.

Rest In Peace, Senator Kennedy.

And thank for your service, and your family's service, to the nation.

.

12 96RoadKing  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 8:55:50am

RIP Ted.

At this time, I'll respect his passing.

13 Kosh's Shadow  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 8:56:12am

We were discussing on the previous thread how Kennedy's death would be used to push the health care takeover, despite the fact that if Kennedy had the kind of coverage it would give, he would have died months ago -
and we find that has already started.

14 Sheila Broflovski  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 8:56:14am

May his loved ones be comforted.

15 MrSilverDragon  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 8:56:44am

I may not have been enamored with the man, but it is my belief that (for the most part) he was trying to do what he thought was right, even if I did not agree with him.

My condolences to the family.

16 Charles Johnson  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 8:57:04am

I'm not kidding.

And if you try to post something sneaky to get around my warning, I'll just block your account.

17 acwgusa  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 8:57:22am

re: #6 Kosh's Shadow

I can't believe that would happen with the first message!

I can. People can be unbelievably crass.

18 BlueCanuck  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 8:57:42am

May he rest in peace, and may his family find comfort.

19 [deleted]  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 8:57:53am
20 Ziggy  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 8:57:58am

Here is an interesting perspective on Kennedy's lasting legacy.

[Link: www.powerlineblog.com...]

21 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 8:58:11am

re: #6 Kosh's Shadow

I can't believe that would happen with the first message!

I can't believe someone would try again (#9).

22 redshirt  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 8:58:21am

When someone dies it's time to let the anger go with him.
Rest in Peace.
Better luck in the next life.

23 Charles Johnson  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 8:58:57am

Apparently, some people don't bother to read my comments.

24 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 8:59:03am

re: #19 blackpajamas

Another jerk.

25 mikalm  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 8:59:06am

Like the man said: de mortuis nil nisi bonum (speak no ill of the dead). Now is not the time to trash his politics or character.

26 Sheila Broflovski  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 8:59:46am

We are seeing a lot of meltdowns. These are not the Lizards I knew.

27 viper123456  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 8:59:56am

Rest in peace Edward Kennedy. We may not have agreed on many things, but you were a worthy foe, and I admired the tenacity with which you held your convictions. The fact that so many of your foes have showed sincere appreciation for you over the years is a testament to your ability to restore some civility to our national discourse. A worthy adversary is always shown respect.

28 Kosh's Shadow  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 9:00:13am

I wonder who will run to replace him.
Maybe Mass can get a Republican again. (I don't think we've had a Republican senator since Ed Brooke)

29 lawhawk  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 9:00:31am

My thoughts and prayers go to his family and friends. The man lasted on the national stage longer than most anyone else in the 20th Century and had a lasting mark on the US Senate. He will not be so easily replaced. I don't have much in common with him politically, and yet I got a kick out of finding out that he cited one of my law review articles in a paper on hate speech online.

He's one of the last of the old guard in the Senate.

His actions re: Chappaquiddick ended his chances of running for President, which is just as well. He was challenged by critics and beloved by his supporters. Political foes respected him. That shows in the kinds of statements being released by politicians from around the country, including former Presidents and leaders.

Now, the effort begins to turn Kennedy's death into a rallying point on health care reform - courtesy of Democrats who want to push things even before Kennedy is laid to rest.

The sad thing is that Kennedy likely knew the end was near earlier in the week when discussions began over changing the law that would dictate how Mass. would select his successor - it's currently through special election, but Kennedy and Patrick want to switch it back so that the governor could make the selection himself. Recall that it was Kennedy and fellow Democrats who pushed for the special election process when a GOPer was in office. The whole point was to make sure that the politics trumped all else.

And perhaps that is the most fitting thing of all - he was a politician to the end.

30 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 9:00:39am

Repost:

My final thoughts on the Passing of Senator Ted Kennedy:

He was always liberal.
He was often wrong.
But he was never a coward, and he was never a fake.

Courage and integrity are not all that common And Edward Kennedy had them both. RIP

31 BlueCanuck  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 9:01:30am

re: #26 Alouette

We are seeing a lot of meltdowns. These are not the Lizards I knew.

Unfortunately I will disagree. Some lizards are a heartbeat from a meltdown.

32 zelnaga  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 9:01:32am

i wonder who will be his replacement in the senate. here's what wikipedia.org has to say on the subject:

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

33 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 9:01:34am

Ted Kennedy was as liberal as they come, but as opposed to most of his colleagues, he actually BELIEVED in what he fought for. It's impossible not to respect the man for doggedly pursuing what he honestly thought was right for his country.

34 Ward Cleaver  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 9:02:02am

re: #26 Alouette

We are seeing a lot of meltdowns. These are not the Lizards I knew.

Oh, I think some people were just waiting for this opportunity, to go out like a bottle rocket.

35 Spare O'Lake  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 9:02:18am

Ted Kennedy's death, following as it does John John's tragic end and Carolyn's abortive foray into the political arena, seems to mark the official and final end of a magical era on the American political landscape.

36 Darth Vader Gargoyle  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 9:02:52am

RIP Senator Kennedy.

37 Kosh's Shadow  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 9:03:06am

This must be even harder for the Kennedy family because they just lost another member a week or 2 ago.
My condolences to them.

38 Ward Cleaver  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 9:03:31am

re: #33 thedopefishlives

Ted Kennedy was as liberal as they come, but as opposed to most of his colleagues, he actually BELIEVED in what he fought for. It's impossible not to respect the man for doggedly pursuing what he honestly thought was right for his country.

I agree. It's like Paul Wellstone; I couldn't agree less with his positions, but he honestly believed in them.

39 lawhawk  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 9:03:49am

re: #35 Spare O'Lake

It does seem to finally end the Kennedy dynasty in politics, although President Obama is perhaps its lasting achievement seeing how Sen. Kennedy pushed for Obama's nomination and success over that of Hillary.

40 Kragar  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 9:03:52am

Any news out of Mass if the state is going to change the laws again to preserve the Dem majority?

41 doppelganglander  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 9:04:13am

re: #37 Kosh's Shadow

This must be even harder for the Kennedy family because they just lost another member a week or 2 ago.
My condolences to them.

When Ted didn't go to Eunice's funeral, I knew he wouldn't last long, but I had no idea it would be quite this soon.

42 Desert Dog  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 9:04:15am

I am no fan of Sen. Kennedy, but I will give credit were credit is due: He was one heck of a Senator. You will have to search high and low to find someone else who was so active and prolific while in office. Some Senators are just content with being in the Senate and don't accomplish much at all. (Hillary, cough, cough - Barack, cough, cough). Not Kennedy, he used his position to move his agenda and pass through 1000's of bills during his time there. I disagreed with him on virtually every point of policy, but at least you knew where he stood on things. He has his flaws and his mistakes, but he will still go down in history as an accomplished man.

David Broder does a pretty good job of summing up this man's life in today's NYT:

Edward Kennedy, Senate Stalwart, Dies

43 tradewind  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 9:04:49am

Rest in Peace, Senator Kennedy.
Looks like the Tingler just cannot help himself, though, and has to politicize even your death, proving he has no... zero... class. He can't even muster up a eulogy without bringing teh moonbat.
[Link: www.realclearpolitics.com...]

44 Ward Cleaver  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 9:05:20am

re: #35 Spare O'Lake

Ted Kennedy's death, following as it does John John's tragic end and Carolyn's abortive foray into the political arena, seems to mark the official and final end of a magical era on the American political landscape.

No, there's still some who are trying to make a go of it in politics, but they seem to keep shooting themselves in the foot.

45 96RoadKing  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 9:05:37am

re: #40 Kragar (proud to be kafir)

Any news out of Mass if the state is going to change the laws again to preserve the Dem majority?

There was an effort last week to change the law back to having the Governor appoint a replacement rather than having a special election, but with his death, I believe they're stuck with the current law.

46 OldLineTexan  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 9:05:39am

RIP, Senator Kennedy.

Agree or disagree with his politics, his passing marks the end of an age in American politics where the name "Kennedy" was synonymous with energy, controversy, and tragedy.

47 tradewind  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 9:05:53am

re: #39 lawhawk

Oh no... Chris Tingle says there's yet one more. See # 43.

48 Dr. Shalit  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 9:05:56am

Everyone -

May the Good he has done be fondly remembered, may the Not so Good finally be interred with his bones. Farewell good servant. That is all.

-S-

49 Mad Al-Jaffee  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 9:06:00am

re: #10 Dianna

RIP.

And - just for today - follow the mom rule: If you can't say anything nice, don't say anything at all.

50 mikalm  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 9:06:11am

Honest, principled liberals like the late Sen. Kennedy are virtually extinct in American politics (my own former Rep, the late Tom Lantos, was another one). The takeover of the Party of the People by Alinsky's children is nearly complete.

51 Ward Cleaver  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 9:06:26am

re: #40 Kragar (proud to be kafir)

Any news out of Mass if the state is going to change the laws again to preserve the Dem majority?

I wonder. Last I heard, there wasn't a lot of support for doing that. And now that he's passed, it's going to look even more suspicious.

52 Desert Dog  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 9:06:32am

re: #43 tradewind

Rest in Peace, Senator Kennedy.
Looks like the Tingler just cannot help himself, though, and has to politicize even your death, proving he has no... zero... class. He can't even muster up a eulogy without bringing teh moonbat.
[Link: www.realclearpolitics.com...]

Did you expect anything less? I hope the funeral does not turn into a DNC-Obamacare commercial.

53 midwestgak  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 9:06:41am

Senator Kennedyt to burried at Arlington National Cemetery. All four brothers will then be buried there.

54 yma o hyd  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 9:06:55am

Condolences to his family, on the second death in such a short time.

Oddly enough, when his sister died a few weeks ago, I had the feeling he'd soon follow.

RIP, Ted!

55 [deleted]  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 9:07:32am
56 doppelganglander  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 9:07:59am

re: #44 Ward Cleaver

No, there's still some who are trying to make a go of it in politics, but they seem to keep shooting themselves in the foot.

Patrick's a congressman from Rhode Island but his very public drug and alcohol problems will probably prevent him from achieving higher office. I think Joe III held office at one point, too. Kathleen Kennedy Townsend was Lt. Gov. of Maryland but I think she ran for Senate and lost.

Out of that generation, I think JFK Jr. was the only one with the intelligence, charisma, and self-discipline to be a great politician if he chose to be. I was genuinely sorry when he died.

57 [deleted]  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 9:08:10am
58 calcajun  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 9:08:14am

re: #53 midwestgak

Senator Kennedyt to burried at Arlington National Cemetery. All four brothers will then be buried there.

Joe? Buried? There wasn't anything to bury--you mean there's a monument?

59 solomonpanting  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 9:08:15am

A worthy adversary.

60 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 9:08:31am

RIP Senator Kennedy.

61 eschew_obfuscation  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 9:08:35am

re: #47 tradewind

Oh no... Chris Tingle says there's yet one more. See # 43.

Heh... Rush just said that Matthews is the last Marx brother ;-)

62 Ward Cleaver  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 9:08:53am

re: #52 Desert Dog

Did you expect anything less? I hope the funeral does not turn into a DNC-Obamacare commercial.

Somehow I don't think this will turn into a repeat of Wellstone's memorial service. For one thing, Bush is out of office now, so they can't rail against the White House.

63 USCMSNE  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 9:08:54am

re: #50 mikalm

Honest, principled liberals like the late Sen. Kennedy[...]

That's going a bit too far.

64 laZardo  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 9:09:08am

re: #56 doppelganglander

Jackie O was a better First Lady than Michelle O, I'll say that much.

65 tradewind  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 9:09:12am

re: #61 eschew_obfuscation

That's so unfair to the Marx brothers...

66 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 9:09:27am

re: #52 Desert Dog

Did you expect anything less? I hope the funeral does not turn into a DNC-Obamacare commercial.

Me too. The consolation will be that if the Dems show that same lack of class again, they will again doom the thing they are pushing for.

67 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 9:09:45am

re: #61 eschew_obfuscation

Heh... Rush just said that Matthews is the last Marx brother ;-)

Boycott Rush. Shut him down for such language!

68 laZardo  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 9:10:00am

re: #58 calcajun

Joe? Buried? There wasn't anything to bury--you mean there's a monument?

JFK's Eternal Flame

69 Ward Cleaver  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 9:10:14am

Hey tfk, did you watch Channel 8 news at 10 last night? They covered the NG return in Wylie, as the last story.

70 calcajun  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 9:10:31am

re: #65 tradewind

That's so unfair to the Marx brothers...

Besides, Matthews is not as funny as Gummo-- and he's not Jewish either.

71 eschew_obfuscation  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 9:10:45am

re: #67 Walter L. Newton

Boycott Rush. Shut him down for such language!

Maybe we can get Carbonite to drop him /

72 Ward Cleaver  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 9:10:54am

re: #68 laZardo

JFK's Eternal Flame

No, he's talking about Joe, Jr, the one that died during WWII.

73 doppelganglander  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 9:10:58am

re: #64 laZardo

Jackie O was a better First Lady than Michelle O, I'll say that much.

No doubt about it. I admired her for raising children who did not act like their cousins, zealously maintaining her personal privacy, and working at a real job (she was an editor at Viking for many years).

74 djscoe  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 9:10:58am

When I found out about his cancer, I immediately wished him a long and healthy life, but, in retirement. My sympathies to his family. I always said that he deserved respect because he was sincere in his beliefs no matter how much I disagreed with him. RIP Senator.

Bob Novak found about his brain cancer just after Kennedy did and just died a week or so ago. Now they can fight it out in the afterlife, whatever that may be.

75 laZardo  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 9:11:06am

re: #72 Ward Cleaver

Ah.

76 yma o hyd  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 9:11:19am

Daniel Hannan (he of the famed attack on Gordon Brown in the European parliament) has this to say on his blog:
Ted Kennedy was wrong about most things, but he was a great parliamentarian:

From that link:
'... he was also a great parliamentarian, who had a sense – not always shared in the Kennedy family – that he was passing through an institution greater than he was.'

77 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 9:12:08am

You know, one of the few good memories I have of Ted Kennedy was seeing him with the other senators singing "God Bless America" on live television on the evening of 9/11. As opposed to some of the other Democratic senators, who were somewhat tight-lipped, he was bellowing out the tune in a terribly off-key voice as loud as he could manage.

78 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 9:12:38am

re: #74 djscoe

That's a pretty cool sentiment.

79 Ward Cleaver  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 9:13:33am

re: #77 thedopefishlives

You know, one of the few good memories I have of Ted Kennedy was seeing him with the other senators singing "God Bless America" on live television on the evening of 9/11. As opposed to some of the other Democratic senators, who were somewhat tight-lipped, he was bellowing out the tune in a terribly off-key voice as loud as he could manage.

Like him or not, he loved this country.

80 calcajun  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 9:14:21am

re: #68 laZardo

Yes. I know--for John F Kennedy. No mention of Joseph Kennedy Jr., though. I do not know what memorial stone is erected in his name. When his Torpex-laden B-24 exploded over the Bay of Biscay, he was obliterated--no remains, IIRC, were ever recovered. I'm sure there is a stone somewhere-- don't know if it is in Arlington or in Mass.

81 Athos  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 9:14:57am

Condolences to the Senator's family on his passing.

I did not agree with very much of the Senator's agenda or many of his actions, but he worked to serve the people of Massachusetts for nearly half a century. He was both a flawed person and one dedicated to service. Today, we should respect his service and his career as a politician.

82 eschew_obfuscation  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 9:15:56am

I can hear the left now...

Let us all come together over this terrible tragedy and drop our partisan bickering to pass long-needed health insurance reform.

By that, we mean all you Republicans and town hallers stop complaining and drink our coolaid.

83 Ojoe  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 9:16:33am

R in P Mr. Kennedy.

And now, out of respect, I hope people turn off their radios and TVs for about two weeks.

84 [deleted]  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 9:17:03am
85 tradewind  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 9:17:17am

I don't understand the mindset that moves anyone to trash a US senator on the very day of his death . especially one who obviously did a lot of good and had many friends who disagreed with him politically. Until he is laid to rest, let the bitter disagreements rest as well .
Doing anything else puts you in the category of those maniacs... I forget what church they pretend to be... who follow funerals and demonstrate to disrupt the family's private grief.
Just saying.

86 SFGoth  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 9:17:20am

I'll wait for the next thread. Brain cancer is a horrible way to go though.

87 J.S.  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 9:17:20am

RIP Senator Kennedy (my condolences to the family).

88 Simple Voice  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 9:18:04am

This man was fortunate to be born into a family that not only had wealth, but a keen sense of familial devotion.
His misfortune was he had to carry a burden of greatness he was ill-equipped to handle.

His legacy will be debated for a long a time. People not yet born will probably be the ones that finally and fairly assess his place in history.

In the end, he was no different from any other human being. His death brings tears to the people that truly loved him and knew him: his family and close friends.

On this day, his loved ones are the people that my heart goes out to.

89 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 9:19:34am

re: #84 MikeySDCA

Not clever enough.

90 JamesTKirk  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 9:19:41am

re: #33 thedopefishlives

Ted Kennedy was as liberal as they come, but as opposed to most of his colleagues, he actually BELIEVED in what he fought for. It's impossible not to respect the man for doggedly pursuing what he honestly thought was right for his country.

I respectfully disagree that offering to assist the Soviets at the height of the Cold War was "right for his country".

On May 14, 1983, KGB head Viktor Chebrikov sent a message of "Special Importance" with the highest classification to General Secretary Yuri Andropov. The subject head to the letter read: "Regarding Senator Kennedy's request to the General Secretary of the Communist Party Y. V. Andropov." According to Chebrikov, Sen. Kennedy was "very troubled" by the state of U.S.-Soviet relations. Kennedy believed that the main reason for the dangerous situation was "Reagan's belligerence" and particularly his INF plan. "According to Kennedy," reported Chebrikov, "the current threat is due to the President's refusal to engage any modification to his politics."

The fourth and fifth paragraphs of Chebrikov's memo held out hope that Reagan's 1984 re-election bid could be thwarted. But where was the President vulnerable? Chebrikov stated that Kennedy had provided a possible answer. "The only real threats to Reagan are problems of war and peace and Soviet-American relations," wrote Chebrikov. "These issues, according to the senator [Kennedy], will without a doubt become the most important of the election campaign." According to Chebrikov, Kennedy lamented that Reagan was good at "propaganda," whereas statements from Soviet officials were quoted "out of context" or "whimsically discounted."

Soviet PR Campaign

Chebrikov then relayed Kennedy's alleged offer to Andropov: "Kennedy believes that, given the state of current affairs and in the interest of peace, it would be prudent and timely to undertake the following steps to counter the militaristic politics of Reagan." The first step, according to the document, was a recommendation by Kennedy that Andropov invite him to Moscow for a personal meeting. Chebrikov reported: "The main purpose of the meeting, according to the senator, would be to arm Soviet officials with explanations regarding problems of nuclear disarmament so they would be better prepared and more convincing during appearances in the USA."

Second, wrote the KGB head, "Kennedy believes that in order to influence Americans it would be important to organize in August-September of this year [1983], televised interviews with Y. V. Andropov in the USA." He said the Massachusetts senator had suggested a "direct appeal" by Andropov to the American people. "Kennedy and his friends," wrote Chebrikov, would hook up Andropov with television reporters such as Walter Cronkite and Barbara Walters. Chebrikov said that Kennedy had suggested arranging interviews not merely for Andropov but also for "lower-level Soviet officials, particularly from the military," who "would also have an opportunity to appeal directly to the American people about the peaceful intentions of the U.S.S.R."

In essence, Chebrikov reported that Kennedy offered to help organize a Soviet PR campaign, which would "root out the threat of nuclear war" and "improve Soviet-American relations" (and also hurt Reagan's 1984 re-election prospects). "Kennedy is very impressed with the activities of Y. V. Andropov and other Soviet leaders," explained Chebrikov.

91 mikalm  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 9:20:09am

re: #85 tradewind

those maniacs... I forget what church they pretend to be... who follow funerals and demonstrate to disrupt the family's private grief.

The Westboro "Baptist" "Church"

92 [deleted]  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 9:20:44am
93 JamesTKirk  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 9:20:48am

re: #39 lawhawk

It does seem to finally end the Kennedy dynasty in politics, although President Obama is perhaps its lasting achievement seeing how Sen. Kennedy pushed for Obama's nomination and success over that of Hillary.

I just saw an article which called Obama "the last Kennedy brother".

I guess he gets that title, since Clinton was already the first black President.

94 lawhawk  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 9:21:22am

re: #80 calcajun

According to Arlington Nat'l Cemetery, Joe Kennedy Jr. isn't interred in Arlington. I believe he's commemorated at the US military cemetery in Cambridge, England.

95 realwest  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 9:21:24am

re: #53 midwestgak

Senator Kennedyt to burried at Arlington National Cemetery. All four brothers will then be buried there.


While I do hope Senator Kennedy will rest in peace and do offer my sympathies and condolences to his family, I don't understand why he's being buried at Arlington National Cemetary. Did the news report you saw say anything about that?

96 jcm  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 9:21:59am

re: #82 eschew_obfuscation

I can hear the left now...

Let us all come together over this terrible tragedy and drop our partisan bickering to pass long-needed health insurance reform.

By that, we mean all you Republicans and town hallers stop complaining and drink our coolaid.

Already started Robert Byrd.

In his honor and as a tribute to his commitment to his ideals, let us stop the shouting and name calling and have a civilized debate on health care reform which I hope, when legislation has been signed into law, will bear his name for his commitment to insuring the health of every American.
97 Pullus Iulius  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 9:22:08am

My condolences to his family and friends. By all accounts Senator Kennedy knew that there was a time for partisan politics and a time for more important matters, as evidenced by his good friendship with Barry Goldwater. At this time I hope to do no less. I mourn with those who mourn.

98 martinsmithy  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 9:22:38am

I don't know if I can find web confirmation, but I remember a story from many years ago that Ted Kennedy was descending into deeper personal hell after the Willie Smith affair in the late 1980's, and that Orrin Hatch helped him out it. From all accounts he turned his personal life around about this time, and also with his second marriage.

99 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 9:22:52am

re: #85 tradewind

I don't understand the mindset that moves anyone to trash a US senator on the very day of his death . especially one who obviously did a lot of good and had many friends who disagreed with him politically. Until he is laid to rest, let the bitter disagreements rest as well .
Doing anything else puts you in the category of those maniacs... I forget what church they pretend to be... who follow funerals and demonstrate to disrupt the family's private grief.
Just saying.

Quite Concur.

100 lawhawk  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 9:22:55am

re: #95 realwest

While I do hope Senator Kennedy will rest in peace and do offer my sympathies and condolences to his family, I don't understand why he's being buried at Arlington National Cemetary. Did the news report you saw say anything about that?

He's entitled to be buried at Arlington since he served in the US Army.

101 JamesTKirk  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 9:22:56am

re: #10 Dianna

RIP.

And - just for today - follow the mom rule: If you can't say anything nice, don't say anything at all.

No cruel truths, but no kind untruths either. I wish his family well, and nod my head in respect for his passing, but I will not offer over-the-top praise.

102 Kosh's Shadow  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 9:23:15am

re: #83 Ojoe

R in P Mr. Kennedy.

And now, out of respect, I hope people turn off their radios and TVs for about two weeks.

Because, at least in Mass, it will be Kennedy coverage for at least that long.
At least WBZ radio would interrupt their Kennedy talk for the traffic reports this morning.

103 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 9:23:35am

re: #90 JamesTKirk

I never said he did what absolutely was right for his country. He certainly thought it was, in that he believed that Reagan's posturing would lead to a catastrophic war that would kill millions of Americans, and he acted on his beliefs. Wrongly, of course, but hardly out of malice.

104 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 9:23:58am

re: #96 jcm

Ah, the "Exalted Cyclop".

105 laZardo  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 9:23:59am
106 Gretchen  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 9:24:02am

re: #66 Dark_Falcon

Me too. The consolation will be that if the Dems show that same lack of class again, they will again doom the thing they are pushing for.

Hopefully they will show a bit of class, however...perhaps that's my ethic at work, respectfully perhaps Ted would see his memorial a fitting platform for pushing of policies. It was his life's work.

107 calcajun  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 9:24:21am

re: #23 Charles

I meant no offense, and the link that I posted, I thought, gave none. Bill Bennet's line, as I read it meant that his adversaries should not malign him, nor should his supporters take this opportunity to make him larger than he was. He was a man, with all the foibles and failings which afflict us all. Conservatives disliked him primarily because he was such an great opponent; he had the respect and, in many cases, the friendship of his political foes. Bennet concluded as many of us have-- that today is a day for us to mourn with his family and friends.

Do I have permission to repost the link?

108 Ward Cleaver  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 9:24:52am

re: #94 lawhawk

According to Arlington Nat'l Cemetery, Joe Kennedy Jr. isn't interred in Arlington. I believe he's commemorated at the US military cemetery in Cambridge, England.

Yes, here's another link (at Find-A-Grave).

109 calcajun  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 9:24:58am

re: #94 lawhawk

Thanks.

110 midwestgak  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 9:25:35am

re: #95 realwest

While I do hope Senator Kennedy will rest in peace and do offer my sympathies and condolences to his family, I don't understand why he's being buried at Arlington National Cemetary. Did the news report you saw say anything about that?

According to this report . . .

. . . Any sitting or former senator is eligible for burial at Arlington, but Kennedy's military service alone does not qualify him for burial there since he did not retire from the Armed Forces.

111 doppelganglander  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 9:25:35am

Here's one thing I don't want to see - a rerun of Paul Wellstone's funeral.

112 realwest  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 9:25:36am

re: #96 jcm Not at all surprised by that jcm. Please see my comment #806 on the DT. Of course I guessed a little wrong about that, thinking it would be President Obama himself. But, I'm not surprised, after all, Byrd is a politician.

113 HelloDare  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 9:26:18am

re: #43 tradewind

First Matthews said Obama was Lincoln-esque. Well now Obama is an actual Kennedy.

Chris Matthews said that Kennedy had "turned the ball over to Barack."

"Barack is the last [Kennedy] brother," Matthews said on NBC's "Today" Show.

114 Wendya  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 9:26:30am

re: #95 realwest

While I do hope Senator Kennedy will rest in peace and do offer my sympathies and condolences to his family, I don't understand why he's being buried at Arlington National Cemetary. Did the news report you saw say anything about that?

Elected officials at the national level are eligible to be buried at Arlington.

115 [deleted]  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 9:26:43am
116 Kreuzueber Halbmond  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 9:27:27am

After watching a friend suffer from brain cancer, I get a feeling for what Senator Kennedy's family must have gone through for the past year. May they now find peace and comfort.

117 realwest  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 9:27:39am

re: #100 lawhawk
Um, I didn't remember that he served in the Army, but still I thought - with a few political exceptions, those veterans who died and were buried at Arlington had to have exhibited some bravery under fire and been awarded medals recognizing that bravery.
That's what they told us when they buried my father, anyway.

118 JammieWearingFool  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 9:27:51am

Curious how most on the right pay respectful condolences today while the left rushes to exploit his death.

These people are contemptible.

If Ted Kennedy lived under ObamaCare, he would have died last year.

119 jcm  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 9:28:50am

re: #112 realwest

Not at all surprised by that jcm. Please see my comment #806 on the DT. Of course I guessed a little wrong about that, thinking it would be President Obama himself. But, I'm not surprised, after all, Byrd is a politician.

You still may turn out to be right...

120 shiplord kirel  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 9:29:24am

re: #94 lawhawk

According to Arlington Nat'l Cemetery, Joe Kennedy Jr. isn't interred in Arlington. I believe he's commemorated at the US military cemetery in Cambridge, England.

Quite true. As with so many WW2 flyers, Joe's remains were never recovered.

121 kansas  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 9:29:54am

re: #118 JammieWearingFool

Curious how most on the right pay respectful condolences today while the left rushes to exploit his death.


Dear l,

With the passing of Senator Ted Kennedy, a family lost its patriarch, the U.S. Senate lost its most gifted legislator, and America lost an unparalleled leader.

Senator Ted Kennedy was elected in Massachusetts, but to millions of Americans he was our Senator. A tenacious fighter for working men and women who share the belief that America is the greatest country in the world. His passion and purpose were dedicated to righting wrongs and ensuring that our better days are ahead.

Senator Kennedy said that 'health care is the fight of his life.' Today, we pick up the torch and recommit ourselves to health insurance reform.

Our thoughts and prayers are with Senator Kennedy's wife, children - including our friend and colleague Patrick, his family, his friends, and his constituents.

Sincerely,


Rep. Chris Van Hollen
DCCC Chairman

122 Sharmuta  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 9:30:14am

A dedicated family man, and public servant. May his family and friends be comforted, and may the people he served be represented by those likewise as dedicated to them as Senator Kennedy was. Rest in Peace.

123 JamesTKirk  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 9:30:44am

re: #111 doppelganglander

Here's one thing I don't want to see - a rerun of Paul Wellstone's funeral.

May backfire.

I'm seeing some hardcore lefty pro-Obamacare women who still have little good to say about him and his treatment of women. They may not think much of the MSM or TOTUS nominating him for sainthood.

124 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 9:31:23am

re: #113 HelloDare

First Matthews said Obama was Lincoln-esque. Well now Obama is an actual Kennedy.

Chris Matthews said that Kennedy had "turned the ball over to Barack."

"Barack is the last [Kennedy] brother," Matthews said on NBC's "Today" Show.

Then its up to us to take the ball and shove it up Obama's ass. Ted Kennedy deserves admiration for showing real fortitude and courage. Barack Obama is a poser who has neither of these qualities.

125 Kosh's Shadow  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 9:31:25am

Lizards were asking about the succession plan:
Gov. Patrick says successor plan ‘reasonable,’ would sign it
Here is the entire article:

Massachusetts Gov. Deval Patrick is supporting a change in state law that would allow him to appoint an interim successor to Sen. Edward Kennedy’s seat while a special election is held.

Unlike most states, a successor to a vacant U.S. Senate seat in Massachusetts is chosen by special election five months after the opening, not appointed by the governor.

In a recent letter to lawmakers, Kennedy asked that the law be changed to allow the governor to appoint someone to the seat during the course of the election — provided that person pledge not to run for the seat.

In an interview today on WBUR, Patrick called the proposal "entirely reasonable" and said he would sign the bill if it reached his desk.

Legislative leaders have not said if they support the proposal.


I think the provision against the appointed person running for the seat might be giving them pause, as they'd have to find one person good enough to be appointed, and someone who would win in the election.

126 Kreuzueber Halbmond  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 9:31:29am

Welcome John F. Kerry, the new senior senator from Massachusetts.

/ugh

127 StillAMarine  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 9:31:46am

Senator Kennedy, may he rest in peace, added a great deal of pizazz and color to Congress. He is one of those people, like Prime Minister Trudeau, who one would often disagree with, but who one admired for his chutzpah. The Senate is going to be a more boring place without him.

128 CIA Reject  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 9:32:30am

Eternal rest grant unto him O Lord
and may perpetual light shine upon him.
May he rest in Peace
Amen.

May his soul and the souls of all the Faithful Departed rest in Peace.
Amen.

129 Bob Dillon  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 9:32:58am

re: #95 realwest

While I do hope Senator Kennedy will rest in peace and do offer my sympathies and condolences to his family, I don't understand why he's being buried at Arlington National Cemetary. Did the news report you saw say anything about that?

"John F. Kennedy is one of just two former U.S. presidents buried there -- but any president or elected official in the U.S. government is eligible. "

RIP Mr. Kennedy.

130 kynna  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 9:33:03am

Condolences to the Kennedy family. They've lost a lot of their men at a younger-than-most age. Good thing their women are strong.

In other, happier, news, my friend's son, who has been battling cancer since he was fifteen, started college this week. :D

131 SFGoth  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 9:33:06am

re: #126 Kreuzueber Halbmond

Welcome John F. Kerry, the new senior senator from Massachusetts.

/ugh

Oh man, are we going to have to be polite when *he* goes? I can understand it for EMK, but *that* pompous windbag? It's not like Ted wouldn't be fun to hang out with (just watch your surroundings), but John Francoise Kerry? Hurl time.

132 Athos  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 9:33:14am

re: #118 JammieWearingFool

Curious how most on the right pay respectful condolences today while the left rushes to exploit his death.

Isn't it though. In many ways, those in the right are defined by their character and actions...while those on the left are defined by achieving their agenda by any and all means possible. Or, the difference between individual values as opposed to collective values and goals.

133 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 9:33:18am

re: #120 shiplord kirel

Quite true. As with so many WW2 flyers, Joe's remains were never recovered.

When you are killed in an explosion of the size that claimed Joe Jr, there are no remains to recover. A blast that size will simply vaporize a human body.

134 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 9:33:56am

re: #128 CIA Reject

Eternal rest grant unto him O Lord
and may perpetual light shine upon him.
May he rest in Peace
Amen.

May his soul and the souls of all the Faithful Departed rest in Peace.
Amen.

Amen.

135 JohnnyReb  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 9:34:10am

re: #125 Kosh's Shadow

Lizards were asking about the succession plan:
Gov. Patrick says successor plan ‘reasonable,’ would sign it
Here is the entire article:


I think the provision against the appointed person running for the seat might be giving them pause, as they'd have to find one person good enough to be appointed, and someone who would win in the election.

That whole situation with changing the law back because Mass now has a Dem Gov makes me sick and IMO cheapens Kennedy's death.

136 LGoPs  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 9:34:18am

re: #132 Athos

Isn't it though. In many ways, those in the right are defined by their character and actions...while those on the left are defined by achieving their agenda by any and all means possible. Or, the difference between individual values as opposed to collective values and goals.

well put.

137 Alberta Oil Peon  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 9:34:18am

re: #127 StillAMarine

Senator Kennedy, may he rest in peace, added a great deal of pizazz and color to Congress. He is one of those people, like Prime Minister Trudeau, who one would often disagree with, but who one admired for his chutzpah. The Senate is going to be a more boring place without him.

I cannot disagree with that.

138 karmic_inquisitor  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 9:34:38am

re: #118 JammieWearingFool

Curious how most on the right pay respectful condolences today while the left rushes to exploit his death.

These people are contemptible.

If Ted Kennedy lived under ObamaCare, he would have died last year.

Well I will join those who simply pay respects.

Those who seek to exploit his death as a case for a moral cause and then confuse that cause with a political outcome aren't going to be reasoned with at this time.

We all must die. How a death from natural causes (after receiving the best care the world can offer) creates a moral imperative for political action is beyond me.

140 jcm  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 9:35:03am

re: #125 Kosh's Shadow

Lizards were asking about the succession plan:
Gov. Patrick says successor plan ‘reasonable,’ would sign it
Here is the entire article:


I think the provision against the appointed person running for the seat might be giving them pause, as they'd have to find one person good enough to be appointed, and someone who would win in the election.

It was Kennedy to pushed have the succession changed from appointment to special election. He didn't what the (R) governor appointing a successor to Kerry should he have won in '04.

141 Pullus Iulius  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 9:35:03am

re: #121 kansas

Though I have no doubt his staff put this piece of opportunistic trash out for him, I am equally certain that Van Hollen would otherwise stop at nothing to make political whoopie out of the death of his colleague. That contemptible hack happens to be my congressman.

142 [deleted]  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 9:35:35am
143 CIA Reject  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 9:35:45am
144 eschew_obfuscation  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 9:35:51am

re: #129 Bobibutu

"John F. Kennedy is one of just two former U.S. presidents buried there -- but any president or elected official in the U.S. government is eligible. "

RIP Mr. Kennedy.

My wife and daughter were just in Arlington earlier this month and were told that the current criteria may become limited in the near future as the cemetery is running out of space.

145 samsgran1948  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 9:36:12am

re: #72 Ward Cleaver

No, he's talking about Joe, Jr, the one that died during WWII.

No matter what else you can say about the Kennedys (which I won't say because I don't want my LGF account suspended), old Joe Kennedy did not use his position to keep his boys out of WW II. Joe, Jr. -- who was supposed to be president -- served in the Army Air Force and was killed in action. JFK served honorably in the Pacific and Bobby enlisted in the Navy as an apprentice seaman. And Teddy served in the Army for a couple of years in the early 50s or so.

146 Kosh's Shadow  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 9:36:34am

re: #140 jcm

It was Kennedy to pushed have the succession changed from appointment to special election. He didn't what the (R) governor appointing a successor to Kerry should he have won in '04.

I know, but thanks for pointing it out for all the lizards who didn't. Not too many of us here in Moonbattachusetts.

147 calcajun  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 9:36:35am

re: #120 shiplord kirel

Quite true. As with so many WW2 flyers, Joe's remains were never recovered.

An argument can be made that sibling rivalry got him killed. Joe, the heir apparent, was supposedly jealous of his younger brother's heroics with PT 109, and he wanted his own "hero" story to burnish his political resume. This is why he volunteered to pilot what was, essentially, a crude guided missile-- a B-24 (variant) loaded with high-explosive that was to have been guided remotely into the sub pens at St. Naizre. Kennedy and the technician aboard were to take off, the arm the bomb, wait for the chase plane to take radio control, then bail out. A near as anyone can tell, the bomb armed and then detonated before they could bail out.

148 Sharmuta  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 9:36:45am

re: #29 lawhawk

I don't have much in common with him politically, and yet I got a kick out of finding out that he cited one of my law review articles in a paper on hate speech online.

That's really cool. Your entire comment was well stated too.

149 Bob Dillon  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 9:36:56am

re: #143 CIA Reject

Despicable...

Heh ... never pass up an opportunity in politics.

150 Rancher  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 9:37:16am

Five deletions, four after being warned. Now is not the time to critique folks. Rest in Peace Senator.

151 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 9:37:55am

re: #139 HelloDare

Byrd: Rename health care bill for Kennedy

Kennedy health reform 'dream' will be real this year: Pelosi

Well, that's certainly keeping someone death out of politics. Last week it didn't take the progressives any longer to start trashing Novak after he died.

The progressives love death, they use it to their advantage every time.

152 laZardo  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 9:37:55am

Gotta head to bed. Cheers.

153 realwest  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 9:39:07am

re: #118 JammieWearingFool

"Curious how most on the right pay respectful condolences today while the left rushes to exploit his death.

These people are contemptible."

Just thought y'all needed to emphasize the bolded part.
Sen. Ted Kennedy hasn't even been dead for 24 hours yet and the left is already exploiting his death
(see also #121 by kansas), while we genuinely express regret for his death and sympathy for his family.

154 SasquatchOnSteroids  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 9:39:15am

Hope the family finds some peace.

155 locutus  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 9:39:21am

I agree with this previous poster:

Ted Kennedy's death, following as it does John John's tragic end and Carolyn's abortive foray into the political arena, seems to mark the official and final end of a magical era on the American political landscape.


John Jr. truly was the only one that could have continued the family's political dynasty going forward. I'm afraid that none of his cousins or his sister are up to the task.

Rest in peace Ted, and a farewell to Camelot.

156 Kreuzueber Halbmond  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 9:39:22am

re: #131 SFGoth

Oh man, are we going to have to be polite when *he* goes? I can understand it for EMK, but *that* pompous windbag? It's not like Ted wouldn't be fun to hang out with (just watch your surroundings), but John Francoise Kerry? Hurl time.

My deal is that members of Congress should be changed often. They get in there and start serving themselves instead of the nation. But, it's a reflection on the quality and mindset of the electorate.

157 doppelganglander  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 9:39:23am

re: #139 HelloDare

Byrd: Rename health care bill for Kennedy

Kennedy health reform 'dream' will be real this year: Pelosi

I think Kennedy would be pleased at having his memory used to push the bill through Congress. I think the American people will find it rather crass.

158 LGoPs  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 9:40:10am

I was a small boy when JFK was assasinated. I remember my father, a proud new American, crying and telling me that he had a dream and in the dream President Kennedy turned and waved to him. That memory has always stuck with me.
I disagreed strongly with Sen Kennedy's politics. I will say no more than RIP.

159 JamesTKirk  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 9:40:14am

re: #150 Rancher

Five deletions, four after being warned. Now is not the time to critique folks. Rest in Peace Senator.

Six and counting.

160 Kosh's Shadow  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 9:40:32am

re: #155 locutus

I agree with this previous poster:


John Jr. truly was the only one that could have continued the family's political dynasty going forward. I'm afraid that none of his cousins or his sister are up to the task.

Rest in peace Ted, and a farewell to Camelot.

Camelot? Well, it is a silly place.
/JUST A PYTHON REFERENCE. I couldn't help it.

161 HelloDare  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 9:40:57am

Any race to succeed Kennedy would be crowded and fiercely fought.

Despite speculation that Kennedy's wife, Vicki, could assume his Senate seat, family aides have said she is not interested in replacing her husband either temporarily or permanently. One of Kennedy's nephews, former Rep. Joseph P. Kennedy II, has also been described as interested.

Other potential Democratic candidates include state Attorney General Martha Coakley, U.S. Reps. Stephen Lynch, Michael Capuano, Edward Markey, James McGovern and William Delahunt, and former Rep. Martin Meehan, now chancellor of the University of Massachusetts at Lowell.

On the Republican side, potential candidates include Cape Cod businessman Jeff Beatty, former Lt. Gov. Kerry Healey, former U.S. Attorney Michael Sullivan, state Sen. Scott Brown and Chris Egan, former U.S. ambassador to the Organization for Cooperation and Development.

The succession law was changed in 2004, when Sen. John Kerry, D-Mass., became his party's presidential nominee and Republican Mitt Romney was the state's governor. Before the change, the governor would have appointed a replacement to serve until the next general election.

That would have created the opportunity for Romney to install a fellow Republican in office, a move that Democrats who control the state legislature sought to prevent.

Last week, Kennedy asked Massachusetts lawmakers to change state law to give Patrick, a fellow supporter of President Barack Obama and a backer of Obama's health care overhaul, the ability to appoint an interim replacement should he be unable to continue serving.

"It is vital for this Commonwealth to have two voices speaking for the needs of its citizens and two votes in the Senate during the approximately five months between a vacancy and an election," Kennedy said in a letter to Patrick.

162 karmic_inquisitor  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 9:41:06am

re: #155 locutus

I agree with this previous poster:


John Jr. truly was the only one that could have continued the family's political dynasty going forward. I'm afraid that none of his cousins or his sister are up to the task.

Rest in peace Ted, and a farewell to Camelot.

There is a remnant - the first lady of California.

163 Sharmuta  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 9:41:20am

This is truly the end of an American Era.

164 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 9:41:22am

Last time I'll say it, promise.

I am glad that he did not live to see the America that he envisioned.

165 sffilk  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 9:41:38am

"Blessed are You, oh L--d our G-D, ruler of the universe, the True Judge." (Jewish blessing upon hearing of the death of someone) Charles, it's a good thing you said what you did. On my dreaded facebook page, I put up the announcement at around 2AM. Someone put on something horrible about him which I will not repeat here. I'm tempted to remind him about compassion, but right now am not sure it would work.

166 RightLogic  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 9:41:40am

An era has definitely passed. Hopefully those on the Right, like myself, will mark this solemn occasion as the passing of true American statesman and leave the politics for another day (as we would expect it from those on the other side of the political spectrum).

167 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 9:41:48am

re: #163 Sharmuta

This is truly the end of an American Era.

It really is. Principled politicians are few and far between these days.

168 Rancher  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 9:42:22am

OT-

Here's the actual CIA "illegalities" Holder is pursuing. No mention of threatening children of the terrorists.

Holder rests his decision on a five-year-old report by the CIA's inspector general that was declassified on Monday. The most alarming details revealed by the report involve Abd al-Rahim al-Nashiri, the al-Qaeda chieftain said to have directed the October 2000 U.S.S. Cole bombing that killed 17 members of the U.S. Navy. The report alleges that a gun was brandished during Nashiri’s interrogation and that a power drill was held near him and occasionally turned on and off. Moreover, it is claimed that, on more than one occasion, shots were fired in adjoining rooms in a manner suggestive of the possibility that the CIA was executing uncooperative detainees.
169 JamesTKirk  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 9:43:08am

re: #161 HelloDare

Despite speculation that Kennedy's wife, Vicki, could assume his Senate seat,

That smacks way too much of "royalty" and "entitlement" (This seat belongs to the Kennedy family!) They can't keep changing the rules and they certainly shouldn't be allowed to change them now -- the rules for succession at the time of the Senator's death ought to be the ones that apply.

170 SFGoth  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 9:43:52am

re: #161 HelloDare

Foisted on their own retard. (Not Teddy, but their desire not to give Romney the power to appoint Kerry's replacement if he had won.)

171 Rancher  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 9:44:01am

re: #151 Walter L. Newton

The progressives love death, they use it to their advantage every time.


Some of their most loyal voters are dead.

172 Athos  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 9:44:30am

re: #163 Sharmuta

This is truly the end of an American Era.

Very true. History will be the judge on the impact of this era on the country - and it will be debated a long time.

173 calcajun  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 9:44:58am

re: #171 Rancher

Some of their most loyal voters are dead.

Every two years, they shamble forth from their graves and go to the polls.

174 JohnAdams  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 9:45:02am

Let he who is without sin be the first to cast a stone. Otherwise, stay classy.

And after the appropriate mourning period, don't let the damn Democrats rig the placement of the new Senator.

175 itellu3times  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 9:45:20am

Charles, I'm still getting the infinite spinning wheel, especially often it seems if I leave a thread for a while, half an hour or more, and then come back and hit the "new comments" button hoping to receive the 50 or so new messages.

Maybe it's because you're hacking, but maybe something on your server side is seeing errors? Just wondering.

176 shiplord kirel  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 9:45:21am

KDS?

I think Ted Kennedy was probably the first victim of the modern style political hate cult, the "derangement syndrome" we have come to know so well over the last 8 years. Of course, politicians have always been reviled (justly so in many cases) but the modern hate cult transcends that, going beyond the target's particular office, positions, or actions and into a kind of demonology.

I remember people in the 70s speaking of Ted Kennedy not as an opponent or a flawed politician, but as though he were already acknowledged as the anti-Christ. He was just a senator from Massachusetts and not running for national office, nor did he have any real prospects by then, yet for many he was the very symbol of all that was, or ever could be, wrong in public office.
I was seldom on Kennedy's side politically, but this vilification always seemed excessive and more than a little twisted. It was a bad trend and it has only grown worse over the years.

177 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 9:45:55am

re: #168 Rancher

Cry me a frickin' river.

178 Simple Voice  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 9:46:25am

re: #175 itellu3times

When that happens to me, I reload the page. It seems to help.

179 JamesTKirk  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 9:46:35am

re: #174 JohnAdams

Let he who is without sin be the first to cast a stone. Otherwise, stay classy.

And after the appropriate mourning period, don't let the damn Democrats rig the placement of the new Senator.

The Dems aren't going to wait for an appropriate mourning period before exploiting his death. Stay classy, but stay aware. Now.

180 Dar ul Harb  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 9:46:43am

(repost from the overnight)

Two thoughts on the passing of Sen. Ted Kennedy.

In 1980, even he could see that Jimmy Carter was a lousy President, and challenged him in the primary. President Reagan won in a landslide. May some other Democrat have similar political courage with respect to President Obama.

And our remembrances as well for the late Ms. Kopechne, but for whose death Ted Kennedy might have succeeded in his quest for the Presidency.

R.I.P.

181 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 9:47:01am

re: #174 JohnAdams

Won't be a damn thing we can do about it.

182 Wendya  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 9:47:04am

re: #169 JamesTKirk

That smacks way too much of "royalty" and "entitlement" (This seat belongs to the Kennedy family!) They can't keep changing the rules and they certainly shouldn't be allowed to change them now -- the rules for succession at the time of the Senator's death ought to be the ones that apply.

Patrick has indicated he will ask the legislature to change the rules once again and allow him to appoint a replacement.

183 JohnAdams  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 9:47:04am

re: #176 shiplord kirel

I agree overall. Chappaquiddick kinda muddies the water though.

184 blangwort  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 9:47:06am

Ted Kennedy lived under a microscope. He was a faulty human being. But in the sum of things he became, he was as much of a patriot as anyone could ask for. He was a liberal who stood behind what he preached (unlike many who think the rules don't apply to those who make them). I'll also remember him as one who reached across the isle in places and times when it mattered the most. A classic example was just before the Clinton Impeachment debate, he and Senator Graham got together and laid out a set of guidelines for the hearings. No matter what anyone thought of his politics, he strived to debate fiercely, but without rancor. RIP.

185 [deleted]  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 9:47:08am
186 itellu3times  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 9:47:20am

re: #178 Simple Voice

When that happens to me, I reload the page. It seems to help.

Yes, reloading helps, but the whole point of the new comments button is to avoid that, the delay and load on the server.

187 Kosh's Shadow  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 9:47:40am

On the CIA prosecutions, the Boston Herald had a good editorial.

these decisions will likely leave officers in the field wondering whether they should be more concerned about getting terrorists or getting lawyers.

It’s also a major distraction to the CIA’s embattled director Leon Panetta, who seems to be drowning in a sea of inquiries from his White House and the Democratic Congress. Doesn’t he have more important things to look after, like Iran and North Korea?

188 Sharmuta  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 9:47:44am

The Kennedy family had more than their fair share of tragedies, and Edward was there for almost all of them. It takes a lot of heart to bear that much grief- a lot of inner strength. If there is nothing else admirable about the man for some people, perhaps they can reflect on that and find something of this icon to respect.

I hope he is Forgiven, and reunited with his family. May they all be at Peace.

189 JamesTKirk  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 9:47:50am

re: #175 itellu3times

Charles, I'm still getting the infinite spinning wheel, especially often it seems if I leave a thread for a while, half an hour or more, and then come back and hit the "new comments" button hoping to receive the 50 or so new messages.

Maybe it's because you're hacking, but maybe something on your server side is seeing errors? Just wondering.

Been happening to me a lot this week, too.

190 templar  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 9:48:31am

I'm one of those weird social conservatives, and I disagreed with Ted Kennedy on just about every issue, but I do respect the fact that he was at least an honest liberal. I'll take an honest liberal over a moderate Republican any day. At least you know where they stand on a given issue.

191 JohnAdams  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 9:48:43am

re: #182 Wendya

The sky will fall on our heads if we do not act RIGHT NOW! That kinda thing?

192 itellu3times  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 9:49:10am

got another spin cycle when I posted that last.

193 yesandno  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 9:49:19am

I always respected the job he did in the Senate. He worked hard.

He believed in what he promoted. He wasn't out just for the power. Maybe because he lived with power all the time it wasn't his center of focus...the legislation was.

He was part of a dying breed that could fight like hell in the Senate chamber and then have a drink with the opposition.

I did not often agree with his positions. But I wish his family well.

194 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 9:49:29am

re: #185 Mean Motor Scooter

...

You want to try to kick start that engine again?

195 StillAMarine  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 9:49:44am

One thing that nobody can deny: Senator Kennedy loved his country.
Truth be told, I sometimes wonder about Reid and Pelosi.

196 Floppydusk  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 9:50:12am

Eternal Rest Grant Unto him O Lord, and may perpetual light shine on him. May his soul and the souls of the faithfully departed through the mercy of God rest in peace. Amen.

197 JamesTKirk  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 9:50:23am

re: #182 Wendya

Patrick has indicated he will ask the legislature to change the rules once again and allow him to appoint a replacement.

Would have been one thing to do that last week, but it should not be allowed now. As I said, "the rules for succession at the time of the Senator's death ought to be the ones that apply."

198 JamesTKirk  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 9:51:12am

re: #186 itellu3times

Yes, reloading helps, but the whole point of the new comments button is to avoid that, the delay and load on the server.

I also get the infinite loading when when I hit the "post this comment" button sometimes.

199 MandyManners  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 9:51:20am
200 JamesTKirk  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 9:52:27am

re: #199 MandyManners

AAIIYYEEE!

And yet you continually waste your clue-by-four on ME.

201 NukeAtomrod  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 9:53:14am

I was never a fan of his politics, but at least I always knew where he stood and so did his constituents. That's fairly high praise for any politician. We could use more honesty like his in government. I almost find myself surprised to be saying it, but he'll be missed.

202 Ward Cleaver  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 9:53:28am

re: #120 shiplord kirel

Quite true. As with so many WW2 flyers, Joe's remains were never recovered.

The Operation Aphrodite missions were largely unsuccessful, with the drones typically losing control and crashing, or being shot down by German flak before reaching their target.

203 [deleted]  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 9:53:48am
204 Ward Cleaver  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 9:54:06am

re: #199 MandyManners

AAIIYYEEE!

Here comes the 51-vote jamdown.

205 [deleted]  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 9:54:10am
206 BlueCanuck  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 9:54:16am

re: #200 JamesTKirk

And yet you continually waste your clue-by-four on ME.

Well, when she does hit you, you deserve it. :)

207 JamesTKirk  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 9:54:46am

re: #206 BlueCanuck

Well, when she does hit you, you deserve it. :)

Yeah, but I'm kind of starting to like it.

208 DisturbedEma  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 9:54:47am

AP treading carefully around Mary Jo. . . .his "biggest mistake" indeed!

209 Ward Cleaver  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 9:55:02am

re: #203 buzzsawmonkey

Kennedy took a lot of hits for his drinking. I always felt this was unfair, if only because he'd seen two of his brothers murdered within five years of each other; one can only imagine what a toll that took on him.

And, given that one brother was murdered as a sitting president and the other while running for that office, his decision to challenge a sitting president of his own party in an attempt for the nomination appears, not as an act of ambition but an act of conscience, patriotism, and courage.

With the help of his new wife, he did finally kick the habit.

210 Sharmuta  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 9:55:04am

re: #172 Athos

Very true. History will be the judge on the impact of this era on the country - and it will be debated a long time.

I agree with the Lizard above who said John Jr was likely the only one who could have carried the torch, and even had he lived, it's not certain he would have done so.

My heart goes out to Senator Kennedy today, because when I think on the number of loved ones he had to bury, I can't imagine the grief. Teddy buried more of his family than most of us will have have to experience ourselves. I admire his inner strength at surviving grief- it's not an easy task.

His passing is the end of the line, I believe, for this incredible political family. We'll never see the likes of this dynasty again.

211 zelnaga  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 9:55:19am

re: #118 JammieWearingFool

Curious how most on the right pay respectful condolences today while the left rushes to exploit his death.

These people are contemptible.

If Ted Kennedy lived under ObamaCare, he would have died last year.

Want to spare me a visit to cnn.com and elaborate on how his death is being exploited? I'd visit foxnews.com but I'm not sure they'd give the same portrayal of the left that cnn.com would. Also, to be honest, I don't want to sift through a deluge of unrelated stories.

Anyway, that said, to be honest, I think your invocation of Ted Kennedy's name, in the last sentence of your post, is, itself, a little exploitative. Certainly doesn't seem like it'd carry quite the same punch if Ted Kennedy were still alive.

212 JamesTKirk  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 9:55:29am

re: #208 DisturbedEma

AP treading carefully around Mary Jo. . . .his "biggest mistake" indeed!

Poor choice of word?

213 SasquatchOnSteroids  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 9:55:57am

Mrs Pelosi, head of The Most Ethical Congress Evah, using Kennedys' death for politics.
How nice, you shameless bitch.

Just had to say it. Chop it at your discretion.

214 Jetpilot1101  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 9:55:57am

Rest in peace Senator Kennedy. I didn't agree with your politics but you truly were a formidable person, an astute politician and a patriarch. My prayers go out to your family. May God grant them peace and comfort in their time of great loss.

215 davinvalkri  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 9:56:12am

re: #208 DisturbedEma

NOW IS NOT THE TIME.

In pace requescat, Senator Kennedy.

216 realwest  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 9:56:12am

For all y'all having trouble with the spinning wheel, try to refresh the page - works everytime! And if you were trying to post a comment, copy it and then refresh and see if it got posted; if not, the simply paste and repost.
Regrettably, Charles is apparently very busy today kicking the slimers out of this thread if not the blog.

BTW, someone above (waaay) above,mentioned Paul Wellstones funeral and I read it in wiki, and discovered that VP Dick Cheney wanted to attend but was asked not to by the Wellstone family.
Nonetheless, "But the president did lead a moment of silence for the plane crash victims before signing the Voting Rights Act today. "I would like to pause and remember a devoted public servant who was taken from us last Friday, along with his wife and his daughter and several other Americans," Mr. Bush said. "Paul Wellstone was a deeply principled and a good-hearted man. He'll be missed by all who knew him and by all who had the privilege of serving with him."
Classy, all the way.

217 KansasMom  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 9:57:22am

re: #208 DisturbedEma

So soon after his passing, I think that is appropriate.

218 DisturbedEma  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 9:57:46am

AP treading carefully one the Mary Jo. . .issue. . .

219 Sharmuta  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 9:58:00am

re: #203 buzzsawmonkey

Kennedy took a lot of hits for his drinking. I always felt this was unfair, if only because he'd seen two of his brothers murdered within five years of each other; one can only imagine what a toll that took on him.

And, given that one brother was murdered as a sitting president and the other while running for that office, his decision to challenge a sitting president of his own party in an attempt for the nomination appears, not as an act of ambition but an act of conscience, patriotism, and courage.

It's totally unfair- couple this with burying how many nieces and nephews to boot? How many Kennedys did he bury in the prime of their life? Tragic, and for people in situations like him- substance abuse is quite normal. That he overcame that issue too is a testament to his inner strength.

220 StillAMarine  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 9:58:15am

re: #165 sffilk

How do you say, "The True Judge" in Hebrew? The rest I already know.

221 calcajun  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 9:58:45am

re: #203 buzzsawmonkey

Kennedy took a lot of hits for his drinking. I always felt this was unfair, if only because he'd seen two of his brothers murdered within five years of each other; one can only imagine what a toll that took on him.

And, given that one brother was murdered as a sitting president and the other while running for that office, his decision to challenge a sitting president of his own party in an attempt for the nomination appears, not as an act of ambition but an act of conscience, patriotism, and courage.

Not to mention growing up in a keenly competitive family with a father that had such high expectations for all of his children. No pressure there. None at all.

222 DisturbedEma  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 9:59:00am

re: #217 KansasMom

So soon after his passing, I think that is appropriate.


Nope- noe me- when they are saying his "biggest mistake" was getting a divorce. . .which ruined his run, after the bile posted after Snow died. . .feh!

223 Sharmuta  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 9:59:09am

I wish democratic leadership would let the man rest in peace before using him- give us at least 24 hours, you jerks.

224 realwest  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 9:59:18am

re: #211 zelnaga
Visit CNN ? Just read some of the quotes and links provided here as to how Byrd and Pelosi (at least) have already exploited Ted Kennedy's death.

225 [deleted]  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 9:59:51am
226 calcajun  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 9:59:57am

re: #218 DisturbedEma

AP treading carefully one the Mary Jo. . .issue. . .

"treading"? "Mary Jo"? An unintentional pun, I hope.

227 DisturbedEma  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 10:01:05am

re: #221 calcajun

Not to mention growing up in a keenly competitive family with a father that had such high expectations for all of his children. No pressure there. None at all.

Dad and mom were very much a part of how the family ran. . .it is a very interesting history, and well, easy to judge now. . .but then, they were aiming on raising a polituical dynasty. . .and well, they used what they had to do that

228 Athos  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 10:01:17am

re: #223 Sharmuta

Not in their nature...they cannot and will not do it. It's the agenda that counts.

229 DisturbedEma  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 10:01:31am

re: #226 calcajun

"treading"? "Mary Jo"? An unintentional pun, I hope.

yes, I am not that uncouth

230 doppelganglander  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 10:01:40am

re: #216 realwest

BTW, someone above (waaay) above,mentioned Paul Wellstones funeral and I read it in wiki, and discovered that VP Dick Cheney wanted to attend but was asked not to by the Wellstone family.
Nonetheless, "But the president did lead a moment of silence for the plane crash victims before signing the Voting Rights Act today. "I would like to pause and remember a devoted public servant who was taken from us last Friday, along with his wife and his daughter and several other Americans," Mr. Bush said. "Paul Wellstone was a deeply principled and a good-hearted man. He'll be missed by all who knew him and by all who had the privilege of serving with him."
Classy, all the way.

Hey, realwest! That was me. I checked the Wiki to make sure it was indeed Paul Wellstone's funeral I was thinking of. Did you notice the article mentions NOTHING of the disgraceful politicking and grandstanding that went on there? Also, I think turning away the Vice President, whose traditional duty is to attend important funerals when the President cannot, showed a distinct lack of class.

231 StillAMarine  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 10:02:04am

re: #225 buzzsawmonkey

Thank you.

232 Ward Cleaver  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 10:02:40am

re: #228 Athos

Not in their nature...they cannot and will not do it. It's the agenda that counts.

Partisanship above all other things.

233 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 10:03:39am

re: #223 Sharmuta

I wish democratic leadership would let the man rest in peace before using him- give us at least 24 hours, you jerks.

It goes against their very nature. Modern Democrats are not the principled politicians of Kennedy's day - "Let no crisis go to waste" is their mantra. Anywhere they can score cheap political points, they will... Even over a respected colleague's dead body.

234 Buck  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 10:03:47am

re: #139 HelloDare

Byrd: Rename health care bill for Kennedy

Kennedy health reform 'dream' will be real this year: Pelosi

Making it harder for Blue Dogs to be on the Nay side...

235 Sharmuta  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 10:04:09am

re: #228 Athos

Not in their nature...they cannot and will not do it. It's the agenda that counts.

I'm not surprised, and hate to say Senator Kennedy might not even mind, but this morning isn't the time for politics.

I think this should be a moment where we can appreciate our political differences and see past them to what we have in common.

This is his moment to be remembered respectfully and they are abusing it, imo.

236 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 10:04:19am

OT- My radio just said Lt. Gubner of South Carolina is asking Gubner Sanford to step down.

237 subsailor68  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 10:04:32am

I'll just add my condolences to the Kennedy family. May the Senator rest in peace, and may you find comfort that he is no longer suffering. God bless Senator Kennedy and his family.

238 JamesTKirk  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 10:04:48am

re: #230 doppelganglander

Hey, realwest! That was me. I checked the Wiki to make sure it was indeed Paul Wellstone's funeral I was thinking of. Did you notice the article mentions NOTHING of the disgraceful politicking and grandstanding that went on there?

And if you added a description of those events to the page, how many minutes do you think it would remain there?

239 Ward Cleaver  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 10:05:05am

re: #236 Cannadian Club Akbar

OT- My radio just said Lt. Gubner of South Carolina is asking Gubner Sanford to step down.


Yep, here's a link at FNC.

240 realwest  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 10:05:37am

re: #195 StillAMarine

One thing that nobody can deny: Senator Kennedy loved his country.
Truth be told, I sometimes wonder about Reid and Pelosi.

I never wonder about either of them; they are politicians first and foremost and love themselves and their positions more than they love their country.

241 Sharmuta  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 10:05:39am

I know some have mentioned Wellstone and were hoping we could avoid another situation like his funeral. Doesn't look like we will- it's not even his funeral yet, and they're using him. Sad.

242 Ward Cleaver  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 10:05:46am

re: #234 Buck

Making it harder for Blue Dogs to be on the Nay side...

Still, they do it at their peril.

/don't forget about the voters

243 karmic_inquisitor  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 10:06:40am

re: #168 Rancher

OT-

Here's the actual CIA "illegalities" Holder is pursuing. No mention of threatening children of the terrorists.

Just as an fyi, there is an ongoing allegation that there are some deaths of detainees reported in the redacted sections. ABC is reporting this as if it were fact, but I read the whole thing and the redacted parts are often in areas that either describe several of the plots that were disrupted but have yet to be disclosed to the American public and in other areas that discuss certain ways that intelligence was corroborated (at least that is where much of the context around the redacted areas.)

Unfortunately, until we have the full report declassified we won't know.

244 Athos  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 10:06:53am

re: #235 Sharmuta

This is his moment to be remembered respectfully and they are abusing it, imo.

I agree. This is not the first time either - but a continuation of a pattern of behavior that at this point represents their fundamentals. It is past time that mainstream America sees this difference between the left and the right and reflects upon it.

245 Wendya  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 10:07:18am

re: #230 doppelganglander

Hey, realwest! That was me. I checked the Wiki to make sure it was indeed Paul Wellstone's funeral I was thinking of. Did you notice the article mentions NOTHING of the disgraceful politicking and grandstanding that went on there? Also, I think turning away the Vice President, whose traditional duty is to attend important funerals when the President cannot, showed a distinct lack of class.

The memorial was designed to be a "populist rally", it even had a theme. The family didn't want the VP's presence to overshadow the message. Instead, the administration sent the HHS secretary in his place. It was definitely a low moment in the party history.

246 Ward Cleaver  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 10:07:21am

re: #241 Sharmuta

I know some have mentioned Wellstone and were hoping we could avoid another situation like his funeral. Doesn't look like we will- it's not even his funeral yet, and they're using him. Sad.

Still, I don't think we'll see a repeat. Bush isn't in the WH anymore, and the Dems control both houses.

247 cronus  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 10:07:31am

RIP Senator.

One would hope that the champions of his cause and the leaders of his party would remember the distasteful politicization of the death of Paul Wellstone. Though, I somehow doubt that they will show any reasonable restraint.

248 zelnaga  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 10:07:45am

re: #224 realwest

Visit CNN ? Just read some of the quotes and links provided here as to how Byrd and Pelosi (at least) have already exploited Ted Kennedy's death.

To be honest, I don't normally read every comment - I just skim and read the ones that have been rated highly. I didn't see any that gave examples but, again, given the way I read comments, that's not too surprising.

Regardless, if people have posted examples, here, I'll do Ctrl + F5 and search for them (that's how I found your reply, for instance, heh - did Ctrl + F5 and searched for my name). Thanks for the heads up!

249 [deleted]  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 10:07:59am
250 kynna  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 10:08:11am

re: #223 Sharmuta

I wish democratic leadership would let the man rest in peace before using him- give us at least 24 hours, you jerks.

As the Wellstone "funeral" shows, the Democrats have no shame. They see what they perceive to be a political opportunity in someone's death. It's gross, but they've done it before.

It reminds me of a story a friend told about going to her grandmother's funeral and, by the time most of the family members made it back to grandma's house from the cemetary, other family members had already backed up a U-Haul and were emptying the place. Trashy.

251 kansas  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 10:08:20am

re: #145 samsgran1948

No matter what else you can say about the Kennedys (which I won't say because I don't want my LGF account suspended), old Joe Kennedy did not use his position to keep his boys out of WW II. Joe, Jr. -- who was supposed to be president -- served in the Army Air Force and was killed in action. JFK served honorably in the Pacific and Bobby enlisted in the Navy as an apprentice seaman. And Teddy served in the Army for a couple of years in the early 50s or so.

I saw a documentary on the Kennedy's a couple of weeks ago. Military service was a way into politics what with it being WWII and all.

252 realwest  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 10:08:28am

re: #230 doppelganglander
Well I didn't notice because I'm not aware of what went on there - care to enlighten me (you'll join a legion of LGFer's who've done that from time to time!)?

253 Ward Cleaver  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 10:08:43am

re: #245 Wendya

The memorial was designed to be a "populist rally", it even had a theme. The family didn't want the VP's presence to overshadow the message. Instead, the administration sent the HHS secretary in his place. It was definitely a low moment in the party history.

It was a disaster, and it ended Mondale's chances of defeating Norm Coleman.

254 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 10:09:31am

re: #249 liam76

Not the time for that, Liam. Cool it. And now I must take my leave. I'll be back tonight.

255 doppelganglander  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 10:09:34am

re: #238 JamesTKirk

And if you added a description of those events to the page, how many minutes do you think it would remain there?

I actually have an account and could do it, but why waste my time?

And I'm not the first person to think the Dems are exploiting and will continue to exploit Kennedy's death in a similar manner:

Conservatives on Kennedy: 'A Wellstone memorial on steroids'

256 karmic_inquisitor  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 10:09:53am

re: #241 Sharmuta

I know some have mentioned Wellstone and were hoping we could avoid another situation like his funeral. Doesn't look like we will- it's not even his funeral yet, and they're using him. Sad.

This will be another opportunity to observe the moral certitude with which many on the left conduct their politics and condemn their adversaries. That morality is based on suppositions and truth claims that are as weak as those that often underpin similar moral claims made on the right.

I am tired of moralists from both sides telling me how to live and limiting my choices.

257 Sharmuta  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 10:10:31am

re: #244 Athos

I agree. This is not the first time either - but a continuation of a pattern of behavior that at this point represents their fundamentals. It is past time that mainstream America sees this difference between the left and the right and reflects upon it.

We can't stop folks from making political hay from the dead, but we could at least have some respect and wait until the dead are buried.

I hope this backfires on them like it did with the Wellstone funeral, because that did backfire and Minnesota elected a republican. The dem leadership should be very, very careful- because using a dead legend so callously before 24 hours have even passed could really insult the American public and a backlash can't be ruled out.

258 JamesTKirk  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 10:11:11am

re: #253 Ward Cleaver

It was a disaster, and it ended Mondale's chances of defeating Norm Coleman.

Mondale lost every state except Minnesota in 1984. Thanks in part* to the Wellstone debacle, Mondale managed to add Minnesota to the list of states he'd lost, giving himself a complete collection.

*Democrat party leaders, who pressed Mondale to run because they saw him as some sort of elder party statesman, were completely out of touch with the way the rest of us see him and were quite surprised.

259 JamesTKirk  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 10:11:56am

re: #255 doppelganglander

I actually have an account and could do it, but why waste my time?

Ditto.

260 SasquatchOnSteroids  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 10:12:03am

re: #250 kynna

As the Wellstone "funeral" shows, the Democrats have no shame. They see what they perceive to be a political opportunity in someone's death. It's gross, but they've done it before.

It reminds me of a story a friend told about going to her grandmother's funeral and, by the time most of the family members made it back to grandma's house from the cemetary, other family members had already backed up a U-Haul and were emptying the place. Trashy.

Had a similar situation when my grandmother passed.
People will show their true colors when presented with an opportunity for gain, no matter how vulgar it is.

261 EaterOfFood  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 10:12:06am

re: #118 JammieWearingFool

Curious how most on the right pay respectful condolences today while the left rushes to exploit his death.

These people are contemptible.

If Ted Kennedy lived under ObamaCare, he would have died last year.

He sought treatment for his illness at Duke University Medical Center, a non-governmental hospital that is one of the finest in the country, profiled in a 1998 Time Magazine cover story, and the employer of my father for 22 years.

I will refrain from pointing out his public transgressions or my disagreements with his idea of how to strengthen this country out of respect for his death. That Nancy Reagan spoke so well of him suggests that there was some good in him. And it seems he genuinely believed that what he proposed doing would make this country stronger, which, right or wrong, is what he wanted. I join all those who say this is no time to play politics (that includes his supporters as well as his opponents) and simply wish him a dignified farewell befitting someone who represented the state of Massachusetts and the United States of America for 40 years.

In the entire Kennedy saga, one wonders how its late matriarch, Rose Fitzgerald Kennedy, coped with the trials and tribulations of her family throughout her 104 years. She outlived four children (and only one survives today), two of whom were assassinated. One would have to be a tower of strength to cope with losing one child, let alone four.

Don't let it be forgot
That once there was a spot
For one brief shining moment
That was known as Camelot.

262 Sharmuta  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 10:13:03am

Again- the Wellstone funeral tactics backfired.

The dems might not realize how offensive the American public might be finding this shameless use of an American legend.

263 doppelganglander  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 10:13:06am

re: #252 realwest

Well I didn't notice because I'm not aware of what went on there - care to enlighten me (you'll join a legion of LGFer's who've done that from time to time!)?

Happily, as you've enlightened me many times!

Memorial for Wellstone Assumes Spirit of Rally

It was much more appalling than the NYT makes it sound.

264 realwest  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 10:13:13am

re: #248 zelnaga
Just check out #139 above.

265 Killgore Trout  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 10:14:02am

re: #262 Sharmuta

Again- the Wellstone funeral tactics backfired.

The dems might not realize how offensive the American public might be finding this shameless use of an American legend.

That's right. I'd completely forgotten about that.

266 Sharmuta  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 10:14:11am

re: #263 doppelganglander

Happily, as you've enlightened me many times!

Memorial for Wellstone Assumes Spirit of Rally

It was much more appalling than the NYT makes it sound.

You know it's bad when even Jesse Ventura is disgusted.

267 GreenDroll  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 10:14:35am

No post at this time.

268 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 10:15:24am

re: #262 Sharmuta

Again- the Wellstone funeral tactics backfired.

The dems might not realize how offensive the American public might be finding this shameless use of an American legend.

You know, I still see cars driving around up here in Minnesota with Wellstone! bumper stickers on them. I imagine Ted Kennedy would probably have a similar legacy in Massachusetts; as much as us lizards disagree with him, he was obviously much loved by his constituents.

269 JamesTKirk  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 10:15:53am

re: #266 Sharmuta

You know it's bad when even Jesse Ventura is disgusted.

The man wearing tights and a boa thought that the people around him lacked class.

270 tster  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 10:16:28am

While I agree that right after someone dies isn't the time to trash them, I must point out that Kennedy continued playing hyper-partisan politics right up to the very end by trying to change Massachusetts law to help the dems in the Senate just 4 years after he got it changed when Kerry was running for President. I give my condolences to his family, and I wish them the best, but in death we should not blindly forget his actions in life.

271 Sharmuta  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 10:16:43am

re: #269 JamesTKirk

The man wearing tights and a boa thought that the people around him lacked class.

He was the governor at the time, and walked out disgusted.

272 JamesTKirk  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 10:17:20am

re: #268 thedopefishlives

You know, I still see cars driving around up here in Minnesota with Wellstone! bumper stickers on them.

Are they clunkers, or are they on cars that were made/purchased after Wellstone's death?

Earlier this year, on the DC Beltway, I saw a Prius with a Carter/Mondale bumper sticker on it.

273 1SG(ret)  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 10:17:25am

re: #100 lawhawk
Actually not true, service alone doesn't give him that honor. The rules are that one must have service in a war zone and earned at least a bronze star. He can be granted the honor from the Sec of Defense or CIC, as was done for Joe Louis. I'm sure the rules where waived for him if they are saying he will be buried there.

274 CommonCents  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 10:17:36am

re: #51 Ward Cleaver

I wonder. Last I heard, there wasn't a lot of support for doing that. And now that he's passed, it's going to look even more suspicious.

The appearance of suspicion is not an obstacle for some democrats. Look at Charlie Rangel.

275 JamesTKirk  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 10:18:11am

re: #271 Sharmuta

He was the governor at the time, and walked out disgusted.

I remember. And it's a good thing I remember, since the MSM aren't going to bother reminding me.

276 wee fury  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 10:18:34am

re: #271 Sharmuta

That was the one thing Ventura did while Gov. of MN that I respected him for.

277 Charles Johnson  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 10:18:37am

I'm not going to sit and watch this thread all day. Anyone who bashes Ted Kennedy is going to lose their account. I don't have time for this.

278 Dar ul Harb  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 10:19:14am

re: #250 kynna

As the Wellstone "funeral" shows, the Democrats have no shame. They see what they perceive to be a political opportunity in someone's death. It's gross, but they've done it before.

Most particularly with the "gun control" issue back before they realized it's a political loser for them. Every public mass shooting was considered an opportunity to restrict the rights of Americans to protect themselves.

279 Wendya  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 10:19:30am

re: #270 tster

I give my condolences to his family, and I wish them the best, but in death we should not blindly forget his actions in life.


There will be plenty of time for that down the road.

280 shortshrift  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 10:19:37am

re: #166 RightLogic

An era has definitely passed. Hopefully those on the Right, like myself, will mark this solemn occasion as the passing of true American statesman and leave the politics for another day (as we would expect it from those on the other side of the political spectrum).

A eulogy from one side or another:

The lion shall roar no more.
You overcame your noble birth to become a class warrior.
You defied privilege to make common mistakes.
You stood up proudly, never buckling under the burden of caring.
Senator, seigneur, adieu.

281 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 10:19:45am

re: #272 JamesTKirk

Are they clunkers, or are they on cars that were made/purchased after Wellstone's death?

Couldn't tell you, but either way, the point still stands. I will note that most of the Kerry/Edwards stickers have mysteriously disappeared from the roads up here, so that should tell you something.

282 Shug  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 10:19:55am

I wanted to say something nice about Senator Kennedy.

I would have loved to belt back a bunch of booze with him and hear some of the stories of a powerful family and the goings on in the senate over 40 years.

and that's about all I can say about him

283 doppelganglander  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 10:20:29am

Just as a follow-up, here's an article on the reaction to the Wellstone memorial service from CNN.

284 Digital Display  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 10:21:41am

RIP Ted Kennedy...
Now he was the youngest of 9 children...Maybe some lizards know this...Is there anyone left alive of the original 9 kids?

285 Athos  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 10:21:51am

re: #273 1SG(ret)

I believe the right is because of his service plus his election to the Senate.

From Arlington National Cemetary's internment guide:

Any former member of the Armed Forces who served on active duty (other than for training) and who held any of the following positions:
- An elective office of the U.S. Government
- Office of the Chief Justice of the United States or of an Associate Justice of the Supreme Court of the United States.
-An office listed, at the time the person held the position, in 5 USC 5312 or 5313 (Levels I and II of the Executive Schedule).
- The chief of a mission who was at any time during his/her tenure classified in Class I under the provisions of Section 411, Act of 13 August 1946, 60 Stat. 1002, as amended (22 USC 866) or as listed in State Department memorandum dated March 21, 1988.

Senator Kennedy's 2 years of service in Paris in 1950-1 (I believe) plus his elected position in the Senate meets the qualification without an exception being needed.

286 sattv4u2  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 10:21:59am

re: #268 thedopefishlives

You know, I still see cars driving around up here in Minnesota with Wellstone! bumper stickers on them. I imagine Ted Kennedy would probably have a similar legacy in Massachusetts; as much as us lizards disagree with him, he was obviously much loved by his constituents.

Having been a Mass resident for the 1st 45 years of my life, it got to a point (especially after Bobbies death) where the family ad been through so much and given up so much for this country the senate seat he held was more of an honorarium for the famileis life work.

Ted did many wonderful things for Mass, a state he truely loved, but my above analysis was more of the general consensus there

God Speed, Senator Kennedy. You are the end of a long line of a remarkable family

287 Cato the Elder  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 10:22:09am

Requiescas in pace, old Ted.
You were often out of your head.
But you did try your best
To make good on the jest.
May they leave you alone now you're dead.

288 realwest  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 10:22:10am

re: #263 doppelganglander
Thank you very much!

289 karmic_inquisitor  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 10:22:27am

re: #273 1SG(ret)

Actually not true, service alone doesn't give him that honor. The rules are that one must have service in a war zone and earned at least a bronze star. He can be granted the honor from the Sec of Defense or CIC, as was done for Joe Louis. I'm sure the rules where waived for him if they are saying he will be buried there.

His brothers are there.

[Link: www.arlingtoncemetery.org...]

[Link: www.arlingtoncemetery.org...]

290 Son of the Black Dog  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 10:22:33am

re: #175 itellu3times

Charles, I'm still getting the infinite spinning wheel, especially often it seems if I leave a thread for a while, half an hour or more, and then come back and hit the "new comments" button hoping to receive the 50 or so new messages.

Maybe it's because you're hacking, but maybe something on your server side is seeing errors? Just wondering.

I get the same thing when I request new comments and my computer has momentarily lost contact with the wireless router. The request has apparently never been sent and the code won't allow me to send a second request. It will stay in limbo forever. My only solution is to refresh the thread.

291 sattv4u2  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 10:22:35am

re: #284 HoosierHoops

RIP Ted Kennedy...
Now he was the youngest of 9 children...Maybe some lizards know this...Is there anyone left alive of the original 9 kids?

Theres one daughter left

292 Digital Display  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 10:23:14am

re: #291 sattv4u2

Theres one daughter left

Thanks
H Satt..Hope today finds you well

293 lawhawk  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 10:23:36am

re: #273 1SG(ret)

As noted above, I was corrected on point and that the Arlington rules are specific:The persons specified below are eligible for ground burial in Arlington National Cemetery. The last period of active duty of former members of the Armed Forces must have ended honorably. Interment may be casketed or cremated remains.

1. Any active duty member of the Armed Forces (except those members serving on active duty for training only).
2. Any veteran who is retired from active military service with the Armed Forces.
3. Any veteran who is retired from the Reserves is eligible upon reaching age 60 and drawing retired pay; and who served a period of active duty (other than for training).
4. Any former member of the Armed Forces separated honorably prior to October 1, 1949 for medical reasons and who was rated at 30% or greater disabled effective on the day of discharge.
5. Any former member of the Armed Forces who has been awarded one of the following decorations:
1. Medal of Honor
2. Distinguished Service Cross (Navy Cross or Air Force Cross)
3. Distinguished Service Medal
4. Silver Star
5. Purple Heart
6. The President of the United States or any former President of the United States.
7. Any former member of the Armed Forces who served on active duty (other than for training) and who held any of the following positions:
1. An elective office of the U.S. Government
2. Office of the Chief Justice of the United States or of an Associate Justice of the Supreme Court of the United States.
3. An office listed, at the time the person held the position, in 5 USC 5312 or 5313 (Levels I and II of the Executive Schedule).
4. The chief of a mission who was at any time during his/her tenure classified in Class I under the provisions of Section 411, Act of 13 August 1946, 60 Stat. 1002, as amended (22 USC 866) or as listed in State Department memorandum dated March 21, 1988.

Sen. Kennedy qualifies under the highlighted provision.

294 JamesTKirk  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 10:23:45am

re: #277 Charles

I'm not going to sit and watch this thread all day. Anyone who bashes Ted Kennedy is going to lose their account. I don't have time for this.

Is there anyone you know and trust whom you could give deletion ability to, say for overnight or dead threads, so that you aren't required to watch everything and so that bad posts don't sit around for long enough to be screen capped and used against you before they get reported to you?

295 tomg51spence  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 10:24:01am

I hope there are strong voices at his Funeral Mass.
Personally, I can never hold it together.

Title: I Am the Bread of Life 828
Author: Suzanne Toolan
Copyright: © 1993 GIA Publications

Verse 4
I am the Resurrection,
I am the life.
If you believe in me,
even though you die,
you shall live forever.

Chorus
And I will raise you up,
And I will raise you up,
And I will raise you up
on the last day.

296 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 10:24:35am

I am very pleased to see that lizards put aside politics to respect those who gave a damn about America - even if they had a different idea about how to do it. I am very pleased that this is not like a number of other places that are chortling over the death of a man who served his nation through great personal tragedy through many years and with a stout heart. Ted Kennedy was indeed well loved by his constituents - and for many good reasons.

You can disagree with his politics as much as you wish, but you can not disagree with the man's desire to serve.

You can also not disagree with the steadfast way that he stood up for women's' rights and minority rights - in much more turbulent times, when such stands were less than a given in our leaders. Things are much better in this nation for both women and minorities in part, because of his efforts.

So, yes I am pleased that he has been treated with respect here. Honestly, if this board had devolved into tirades against him - right after his death, I would have flounced off.

297 Ward Cleaver  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 10:24:39am

re: #258 JamesTKirk

Mondale lost every state except Minnesota in 1984. Thanks in part* to the Wellstone debacle, Mondale managed to add Minnesota to the list of states he'd lost, giving himself a complete collection.

*Democrat party leaders, who pressed Mondale to run because they saw him as some sort of elder party statesman, were completely out of touch with the way the rest of us see him and were quite surprised.

In a way, I felt sorry for Mondale in 2002, because he seemed to be senile and out of touch. They should have picked someone else.

298 razorbacker  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 10:24:41am
One day a woman's husband died, and on that clear, cold morning, in the warmth of their bedroom, the wife was struck with the pain of learning that sometimes there isn't "anymore". No more hugs, no more special moments to celebrate together, no more phone calls just to chat, no more "just one minute." Sometimes, what we care about the most gets all used up and goes away, never to return before we can say good-bye, say"I love you."

So while we have it, it's best we love it, care for it, fix it when it's broken and heal it when it's sick. This is true for marriage...And old cars... And children with bad report cards, and dogs with bad hips, and aging parents and grandparents. We keep them because they are worth it, because we are worth it.

That's not mine. A relative sent it to me. She is currently wrapped up in watching her husband die. Her attention is focused on just that one thing, right now.

299 1SG(ret)  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 10:25:00am

re: #285 Athos

I wasn't aware of the elected rule. Thanks

300 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 10:25:00am

re: #277 Charles

I'm not going to sit and watch this thread all day. Anyone who bashes Ted Kennedy is going to lose their account. I don't have time for this.

You are doing right.

301 sattv4u2  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 10:25:02am

re: #292 HoosierHoops

Thanks
H Satt..Hope today finds you well

Thanks Hoops, Just got back from the vet. The pooch had his stiches out Monday and last night he ripped the scabbing so bad I had to take him back and they put a few staples in

302 Dar ul Harb  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 10:25:18am

re: #203 buzzsawmonkey

[G]iven that one brother was murdered as a sitting president and the other while running for that office, his decision to challenge a sitting president of his own party in an attempt for the nomination appears, not as an act of ambition but an act of conscience, patriotism, and courage.

Excellent point, and worth repeating. Sen. Kennedy's action says more than most anything else could about what a disaster Peanut Jimmy was as President.

303 Shug  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 10:25:50am

wow. I just checked out the stalker site to see the reactions. talk about an orgasm of bile. It's worse than the DU or daily kos

304 realwest  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 10:25:52am

re: #273 1SG(ret)
Hi Top! Thanks for that clarification. I'd raised that question in my #117 above!

305 Ward Cleaver  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 10:27:41am

re: #303 Shug

wow. I just checked out the stalker site to see the reactions. talk about an orgasm of bile. It's worse than the DU or daily kos

Like the moonbat sites when Reagan passed away.

306 Desert Dog  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 10:27:45am

re: #296 LudwigVanQuixote

That's the LGF difference. I cannot see lefty blogs holding their tongues when a noted conservative dies...When Reagan died, the garbage and vitriol spewing forth was completely disgusting.

307 1SG(ret)  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 10:28:06am

re: #293 lawhawk

I stand corrected as stated above. Thanks, I should have looked it up!

308 Killgore Trout  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 10:28:23am

OT: Randall Terry kicked out of Jim Moran & Howard Dean's townhall [updated with video]


Terry's colleagues put on a skit with a man in an Obama mask pretending to whip a bloodied woman, who kept saying, "Massa, don't hit me no more. I got the money to kill the babies."

Terry himself dressed in a doctor's lab coat and pretended to stab a woman in a gray wig.

"There's no way to pay for this thing without killing granny," Terry explained.

309 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 10:28:39am

re: #303 Shug

wow. I just checked out the stalker site to see the reactions. talk about an orgasm of bile. It's worse than the DU or daily kos

At first I was a little skeptical of Charles banning so many. However, there were many good reasons. I have no desire to even be virtually associated with such folks.

310 Sharmuta  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 10:28:48am

re: #296 LudwigVanQuixote

Honestly, if this board had devolved into tirades against him - right after his death, I would have flounced off.

But then- if that was what you'd found here, this wouldn't be LGF.

311 Stinky Beaumont  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 10:28:50am

re: #303 Shug

wow. I just checked out the stalker site to see the reactions. talk about an orgasm of bile. It's worse than the DU or daily kos

It's a good reminder of why those people are no longer at LGF.

312 realwest  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 10:29:30am

re: #277 Charles Charles, I appreciate your concern and it's clearly been well taken.
It seems to me, however, that at whatever point you put up a new thread or perhaps two new threads, you might want to close this thread to further comments and make better use of your time than to look for the nutters and slimeballs who would trash Sen. Kennedy out here today.

313 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 10:30:06am

re: #306 Desert Dog

That's the LGF difference. I cannot see lefty blogs holding their tongues when a noted conservative dies...When Reagan died, the garbage and vitriol spewing forth was completely disgusting.

It depends on the blog. You are right that some places are as vile as they get. However, not all lefties are assholes. As an example, Ted Kennedy was very complimentary of President Reagan when he passed.

314 Dianna  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 10:30:06am

re: #308 Killgore Trout

OT: Randall Terry kicked out of Jim Moran & Howard Dean's townhall [updated with video]

I won't watch.

Terry is insane and disgusting, but we already know that.

315 Ward Cleaver  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 10:30:26am
316 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 10:30:38am

re: #310 Sharmuta

true that.

317 Killgore Trout  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 10:31:06am

re: #314 Dianna

I won't watch.

Terry is insane and disgusting, but we already know that.

These town hall meeting videos are tough to watch in the morning. I can't take all the yelling.

318 1SG(ret)  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 10:31:09am

re: #304 realwest

Hi realwest. As you can see above, I was wrong on my initial statement of the rules. Hope all is well with you!

319 Ward Cleaver  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 10:31:18am

re: #314 Dianna

I won't watch.

Terry is insane and disgusting, but we already know that.

Prayer has done way more for the pro-life cause than Randall Terry's antics ever will.

320 Dianna  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 10:32:18am

re: #312 realwest

Charles, I appreciate your concern and it's clearly been well taken.
It seems to me, however, that at whatever point you put up a new thread or perhaps two new threads, you might want to close this thread to further comments and make better use of your time than to look for the nutters and slimeballs who would trash Sen. Kennedy out here today.

Just to echo realwest's suggestion, if this thread is or is not closed, we'll still see the spew on other threads. But it seems to me that it might make Charles' life easier if, when new threads go up, this one gets closed.

321 CommonCents  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 10:32:33am

re: #313 LudwigVanQuixote

It depends on the blog. You are right that some places are as vile as they get. However, not all lefties are assholes. As an example, Ted Kennedy was very complimentary of President Reagan when he passed.

That is because, despite political differences, they were friends. Nancy had some very nice comments this morning on the subject.

322 Desert Dog  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 10:33:07am

re: #317 Killgore Trout

These town hall meeting videos are tough to watch in the morning. I can't take all the yelling.

Watch a couple staged Obama meetings lovefests to make yourself feel better...

/ :-)

323 Dianna  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 10:33:20am

re: #317 Killgore Trout

These town hall meeting videos are tough to watch in the morning. I can't take all the yelling.

Yeah, I'm always putting the volume down.

324 harrylook  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 10:33:36am

I've met both Mass. senators. Politically, not much difference, but personally...

Met Kerry when I was in law school and was working at a wine shop on Beacon Hill. Frequently served his wife, who is very charming. He came in once and treated me like dirt. In addition, he had me deliver several cases of wine to his mansion and tipped me zero dollars.

Met Kennedy at a "time" for some local politician (not sure if that's a local expression or not). Anyway, I ended up at the bar next to the senior senator. He was very personable and funny. I liked him.

325 Wendya  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 10:33:42am

re: #305 Ward Cleaver

Like the moonbat sites when Reagan passed away.

Anonymity allows people to make comments on a blog they'd never make in real life. Regarding political opponents, if you wouldn't say it to the family members of the deceased at grave side, you probably shouldn't say it here as an initial reaction. There's going to be plenty of opportunities to discuss his character in the future.

326 Ward Cleaver  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 10:34:12am

re: #321 CommonCents

That is because, despite political differences, they were friends. Nancy had some very nice comments this morning on the subject.

They hail from the days when political opponents could have a drink together at the end of the day. Reagan and Tip O'Neill used to swap stories about the Irish.

327 Sharmuta  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 10:34:27am

re: #320 Dianna

Just to echo realwest's suggestion, if this thread is or is not closed, we'll still see the spew on other threads. But it seems to me that it might make Charles' life easier if, when new threads go up, this one gets closed.

I agree too. It's sad this idea would need consideration, but we've seen in the past that those who don't respect the house rules will wait until they think no one is watching so the can break the rules at will and with abandon.

328 calcajun  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 10:34:47am

re: #256 karmic_inquisitor

I am tired of moralists from both sides telling me how to live and limiting my choices.

Quite right. Now, get back to work. Also, there's only PB&J sandwiches and salad for lunch as too much beef is bad for you./

329 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 10:34:54am

re: #321 CommonCents

That is because, despite political differences, they were friends. Nancy had some very nice comments this morning on the subject.

That's true and it only makes my point stronger. Not all lefties are incapable of reason. Not all righties are incapable of reason. It is only the ones on the edges that are un reachable and contemptible.

Adams is my hero as a president.

Jefferson was much less than kind to Adams.

Both had great merits, and in the end, they loved America more and reconciled.

330 Ward Cleaver  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 10:34:57am

re: #324 harrylook

I've met both Mass. senators. Politically, not much difference, but personally...

Met Kerry when I was in law school and was working at a wine shop on Beacon Hill. Frequently served his wife, who is very charming. He came in once and treated me like dirt. In addition, he had me deliver several cases of wine to his mansion and tipped me zero dollars.

Met Kennedy at a "time" for some local politician (not sure if that's a local expression or not). Anyway, I ended up at the bar next to the senior senator. He was very personable and funny. I liked him.

Thanks for posting that.

331 calcajun  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 10:35:15am

re: #306 Desert Dog

Because the MSM wasn't watching them.

332 itellu3times  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 10:35:48am
333 [deleted]  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 10:35:58am
334 Digital Display  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 10:36:08am

re: #324 harrylook

I've met both Mass. senators. Politically, not much difference, but personally...

Met Kerry when I was in law school and was working at a wine shop on Beacon Hill. Frequently served his wife, who is very charming. He came in once and treated me like dirt. In addition, he had me deliver several cases of wine to his mansion and tipped me zero dollars.

Met Kennedy at a "time" for some local politician (not sure if that's a local expression or not). Anyway, I ended up at the bar next to the senior senator. He was very personable and funny. I liked him.

I have a feeling Sen.Kennedy never met a stranger...It would have been a Highlight to sit down and have a beer with him...

335 doppelganglander  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 10:36:35am

re: #324 harrylook

I've met both Mass. senators. Politically, not much difference, but personally...

Met Kerry when I was in law school and was working at a wine shop on Beacon Hill. Frequently served his wife, who is very charming. He came in once and treated me like dirt. In addition, he had me deliver several cases of wine to his mansion and tipped me zero dollars.

Met Kennedy at a "time" for some local politician (not sure if that's a local expression or not). Anyway, I ended up at the bar next to the senior senator. He was very personable and funny. I liked him.

Very interesting. It's the difference between true class and the pretension to class.

336 realwest  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 10:36:39am

re: #308 Killgore Trout
And the reason you posted that on this thread is ?

337 Optimizer  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 10:37:12am

re: #211 zelnaga

Want to spare me a visit to cnn.com and elaborate on how his death is being exploited? ...

Funny you should mention CNN. I happened to see it a few minutes ago, and they were running a banner with the news with the sub-title "His Impact on the World". I couldn't help but think, "But NO liberal bias there"...

Sure, he was an influential U.S Senator, but that seemed a bit much to me.

I'm not sure I'd call that "exploitation", though. It seems more like "canonization" to me.

338 arf  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 10:37:16am

208 DisturbedEma - AP treading carefully around Mary Jo. . . .his "biggest mistake" indeed!

But in June 2004 you could click on the news and from the reports, you’d have thought that some guy named “Iran Contra” had just passed away.

339 Ward Cleaver  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 10:38:07am

re: #332 itellu3times

this should be an LGF favorite:

Sarah Palin, again using the Facebook platform to reach supporters, told them today to tune into Fox's Glenn Beck

Ugh. She's going to implode as a political figure; it's only a matter of time. Hitching her wagon to Beck is a terrible idea. It's never a good idea to stand next to the shack where dynamite is stored.

/enough metaphors?

340 calcajun  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 10:38:34am

re: #308 Killgore Trout

OK-- he makes Cindy Sheehan and Code Pink seem reasonable by comparison.

341 Kosh's Shadow  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 10:38:42am

re: #306 Desert Dog

That's the LGF difference. I cannot see lefty blogs holding their tongues when a noted conservative dies...When Reagan died, the garbage and vitriol spewing forth was completely disgusting.

Well, the day Kennedy got sick, Stinky did have to wield his stick like a ninja, but lizards got the message. Say something nice, or don't say anything at all. Most of us, anyway, and the others aren't here any more.

342 Wendya  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 10:38:44am

re: #335 doppelganglander

Very interesting. It's the difference between true class and the pretension to class.

They were raised differently.

343 Rexatosis  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 10:39:45am

The Great Liberal Lion of the Senate has laid himself down into the eternal embrace, we shall not see another like him in our lifetimes.

344 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 10:40:37am

re: #339 Ward Cleaver

Ugh. She's going to implode as a political figure; it's only a matter of time. Hitching her wagon to Beck is a terrible idea. It's never a good idea to stand next to the shack where dynamite is stored.

/enough metaphors?

Oh she is already imploding. How much do you want to bet that the Beck show is somehow about her tonight... If this were only shameless self promotion, that would be the best case. If it is for another Beck bombshell, well...

I'll just say it if it is Obama vs. Palin, I will vote for Obama - and I really despise Obama's policies on many fronts.

345 albusteve  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 10:40:41am

re: #334 HoosierHoops

my thoughts exactly...about the highest regard I'd give anybody, I'd drink with the old guy...he must have been one hell of an adversary when you went up against him, and politics aside I bet he was jolly guy at a party...RIP Senator, it's all over now

346 realwest  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 10:40:42am

re: #332 itellu3times
And as I asked Killgore in my #336, you're reason for posting that on THIS thread is ?

347 Digital Display  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 10:40:55am

Another deletion?
Any person that can't show grace and humanity over a US Senators' passing does not belong on a classy blog like LGF..
Disgusting...If you ask me...

348 Cato the Elder  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 10:41:02am

There are omens when the great pass away.

In the last 12 hours, I had a kitchen fire; scared away a burglar at gunpoint; and found an old dog lying in the alley out back of my house, waiting to be run over.

The fire was minor, but the extinguisher powder is a mess. Check your smoke alarms! Mine worked.

The burglar waddled away with a load in his pants after seeing Haku's teeth and my P7M8.

The dog is at the vet's, getting checked out.

I need a vacation.

349 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 10:41:05am

re: #35 Spare O'Lake

Ted Kennedy's death, following as it does John John's tragic end and Carolyn's abortive foray into the political arena, seems to mark the official and final end of a magical era on the American political landscape.

I think Caroline got a rush of panic when her uncle's diagnosis was announced, and felt as though she must carry on the torch.

Luckily, she seemed to think it over once the first shock had passed.

350 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 10:42:30am

I hope they hold a nice loud Irish wake for the Senator. I think that's what he would have wanted.

351 alegrias  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 10:42:56am

Nancy Reagan the former First Lady today issued a statement lamenting Ted Kennedy's death, and acknowledging his help on her shared concern over stem cells. She said he would be missed. That's class.

Poor Nancy Reagan had 10 years of Alzheimers' painful slow goodbye with her husband. I can never forget how she still could not leave Pres. Reagan's casket after it lay in state in the Rotunda five years ago this June. Nor later that day in California, when it really was time to say goodbye.

Prayers for the family & friends who grieve.

352 Cato the Elder  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 10:43:45am

re: #332 itellu3times

this should be an LGF favorite:

Sarah Palin, again using the Facebook platform to reach supporters, told them today to tune into Fox's Glenn Beck

No comment. Speaks for itself.

353 realwest  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 10:44:42am

Well again, RIP Ted Kennedy and condolences and symathies to your family.
Since others have seen fit to use THIS thread to pontificate about OTHER political figures in ways totally unrelated to Senator Kennedy's death, I'm leaving now.
I hope to have the chance to see you all down the road.

354 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 10:45:36am

re: #348 Cato the Elder

There are omens when the great pass away.

In the last 12 hours, I had a kitchen fire; scared away a burglar at gunpoint; and found an old dog lying in the alley out back of my house, waiting to be run over.

The fire was minor, but the extinguisher powder is a mess. Check your smoke alarms! Mine worked.

The burglar waddled away with a load in his pants after seeing Haku's teeth and my P7M8.

The dog is at the vet's, getting checked out.

I need a vacation.

I went to college at a little secular school in North Baltimore. The apartments off campus were not always in the safest places. I used to keep lots of pebbles on the fire escape so if someone were poking around back there, I would hear the noise.

Sure enough, I hear that one night when I was hanging out with some friends. Sure enough someone was picking the lock to my back door most skillfully.

When he came in, he saw and heard my pump the mossberg.

I will give him great props for asking for a glass of water.

I gave it to him. He left and I put a chain on the back door as well as upgrading the deadbolt.

355 anotherindyfilmguy  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 10:46:11am

re: #125 Kosh's Shadow

His death is already being exploited to further a severely unpopular legislative push. Can not the left give half the real respect shown by a lot of the Lizards?

Politics of convenience, opportunity and exploitation of all sorts are the hallmarks of the morally bankrupt.

356 [deleted]  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 10:47:12am
357 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 10:48:29am

re: #355 anotherindyfilmguy

His death is already being exploited to further a severely unpopular legislative push. Can not the left give half the real respect shown by a lot of the Lizards?

Politics of convenience, opportunity and exploitation of all sorts are the hallmarks of the morally bankrupt.

President Reagan's death was exploited too. There is little shame in any politics on either side. The better question is what is wrong with us that we keep electing such clowns.

358 Randall Gross  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 10:50:34am

re: #308 Killgore Trout

OT: Randall Terry kicked out of Jim Moran & Howard Dean's townhall [updated with video]

You can always count on Bloody Randall Terry to take things to radical extremes; he's the Roger Corman of SoCon hysterical political theater.

359 [deleted]  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 10:55:08am
360 Dianna  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 10:55:16am

re: #348 Cato the Elder

There are omens when the great pass away.

In the last 12 hours, I had a kitchen fire; scared away a burglar at gunpoint; and found an old dog lying in the alley out back of my house, waiting to be run over.

The fire was minor, but the extinguisher powder is a mess. Check your smoke alarms! Mine worked.

The burglar waddled away with a load in his pants after seeing Haku's teeth and my P7M8.

The dog is at the vet's, getting checked out.

I need a vacation.

Yikes!

361 Rancher  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 10:57:01am

re: #243 karmic_inquisitor

Just as an fyi, there is an ongoing allegation that there are some deaths of detainees reported in the redacted sections. ABC is reporting this as if it were fact, but I read the whole thing and the redacted parts are often in areas that either describe several of the plots that were disrupted but have yet to be disclosed to the American public and in other areas that discuss certain ways that intelligence was corroborated (at least that is where much of the context around the redacted areas.)

Unfortunately, until we have the full report declassified we won't know.


ABC is usually better than that. If there are wrongful deaths involved there should be prosecutions but as for the rest of it, it pretty much looks like BS as Andrew McCarthy, himself a former prosecutor, points out. Holder is especially hypocritical in that he refused to assign a prosecutor to Al Gore when Al Gore had clearly broken the law.

Gore made phone calls soliciting campaign contributions from his White House office. As Charles Krauthammer wrote at the time, “Section 607 of Title 18 of the U.S. Criminal Code states very clearly there is to be no solicitation of campaign funds in federal government offices. Gore broke the law as written, as understood and as practiced.” Violations of Section 607 called for a penalty of up to three years in prison.

Gore had no real defense, so he trotted out a phony one: There was, he infamously claimed, “no controlling legal authority.” What he meant was that there weren’t many court decisions interpreting the meaning of Section 607. It was laughable. The rule of thumb for judges, as for the rest of us, is that laws are construed to mean what they say, the ordinary, everyday understanding of the words. Most statutes are not 1,000 pages of health-care arcana. When they are succinct and clear, we don’t need judicial opinions to divine their meaning. No solicitation of campaign funds in federal government offices means: No solicitation of campaign funds in federal government offices.
But Gore was the heir apparent to Pres. Bill Clinton, and the deputy attorney general was very much hoping to become the attorney general in a Gore administration. So Holder found it within himself to oppose the appointment of a prosecutor. Gore was in the clear.

362 turn  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 10:57:20am

RIP Senator Kennedy

363 MittDoesNotCompute  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 10:58:50am

Buh-bye criney...must have been a sock.

364 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 10:59:05am

re: #251 kansas

I saw a documentary on the Kennedy's a couple of weeks ago. Military service was a way into politics what with it being WWII and all.

Military service was normative for the men of that generation.

365 [deleted]  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 10:59:05am
366 jorline  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 11:01:13am

Way to go criney...you won the coveted "Dildo Of The Day" award.

Flaming out on a RIP thread.

RIP Senator Kennedy

367 Spartacus50  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 11:03:36am

He'll probably still get re-elected.

368 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 11:04:11am

re: #303 Shug

wow. I just checked out the stalker site to see the reactions. talk about an orgasm of bile. It's worse than the DU or daily kos

Not surprised. I've been reading their comments. Not a pleasant group.

Just discovered I can't access them from my work server--the firewall tells me it's spam.

369 Bagua  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 11:06:46am

re: #118 JammieWearingFool

[...]

If Ted Kennedy lived under ObamaCare, he would have died last year.

Despite my objections to socialized medicine I cannot accept such false statements, in either the German, Canadian or British health system Sen Kennedy would have received essentially the same treatment and had the same prognosis.

370 HelloDare  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 11:07:18am

re: #339 Ward Cleaver

Ugh. She's going to implode as a political figure; it's only a matter of time. Hitching her wagon to Beck is a terrible idea. It's never a good idea to stand next to the shack where dynamite is stored.

/enough metaphors?

Yes, a bad idea. Especially if your wagon is in the shack with the dynamite. At lease the horse isn't in there. She shut the door after the horse was gone.

371 itellu3times  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 11:08:47am

re: #346 realwest

And as I asked Killgore in my #336, you're reason for posting that on THIS thread is ?

just because it was the current thread.

372 Kosh's Shadow  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 11:09:14am

re: #363 talon_262

Buh-bye criney...must have been a sock.

His one and only post deleted. Yet, with no posts, he still has a karma of -4.

373 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 11:10:50am

re: #306 Desert Dog

That's the LGF difference. I cannot see lefty blogs holding their tongues when a noted conservative dies...When Reagan died, the garbage and vitriol spewing forth was completely disgusting.

Without taking anything away from LGF--classy as always--check out what's popping up on other 'righty blogs', who do not have a Charles to enforce propriety. The tone is not so high-minded as here.

374 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 11:12:10am

re: #308 Killgore Trout

OT: Randall Terry kicked out of Jim Moran & Howard Dean's townhall [updated with video]

Randall Terry. The very image of class and taste.

//oh, for heaven's sakes

375 [deleted]  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 11:16:13am
376 eschew_obfuscation  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 11:16:51am

re: #369 Bagua

Despite my objections to socialized medicine I cannot accept such false statements, in either the German, Canadian or British health system Sen Kennedy would have received essentially the same treatment and had the same prognosis.

Not true... here are comparative cancer survival rates ... U.S. vs UK

377 Sharmuta  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 11:20:03am

re: #375 Mean Motor Scooter

No- it's not censorship, it's called decency. You're free to spew vitriol elsewhere, but here we're expected to be adults. I don't think that's too much to ask.

378 arf  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 11:21:09am

#369 Bagua "...in either the German, Canadian or British health system Sen Kennedy would have received essentially the same treatment and had the same prognosis..."

I agree with same prognosis, since prognosis for his cancer is dismal. Same treatment? I'm not so sure.

[Link: nhsblogdoc.blogspot.com...]

379 JamesTKirk  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 11:21:48am

re: #363 talon_262

Buh-bye criney...must have been a sock.

I haven't recognized the other deleted posters either. Lurkers, socks, mobys?

380 JamesTKirk  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 11:25:29am

re: #369 Bagua

Despite my objections to socialized medicine I cannot accept such false statements, in either the German, Canadian or British health system Sen Kennedy would have received essentially the same treatment and had the same prognosis.

America has a higher cancer recovery rate than any of those countries.

381 [deleted]  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 11:28:32am
382 Charles Johnson  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 11:29:59am

re: #381 Mean Motor Scooter

And now I'm censoring your ass right off my website.

383 Sharmuta  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 11:31:01am

re: #381 Mean Motor Scooter

But anyone giving him a pass on it should not whine when boards like DU are doing it.

Who is doing that? No one. And if Kos or DU or Huffpo deleted abusive comments about republicans, I would applaud them. You can't ask for standards in decency without practicing them yourself.

384 Bagua  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 11:31:31am

re: #376 eschew_obfuscation

Not true... here are comparative cancer survival rates ... U.S. vs UK

You are incorrect, the chart you posted does not list the type of cancer that the Senator had.

Arf,

Your example was likewise for a different type of cancer.

James T Kirk,

You are speaking in a general, overall viewpoint, there are many variables to consider and very different populations. My comment was specific to the type of cancer that the honorable Senator suffered.

All of you exhibit a typical weakness of partisan zealotry, you simply cannot accept something that goes against your black and white views. I base my views on direct experience.

385 wrenchwench  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 11:32:37am

re: #382 Charles

And now I'm censoring your ass right off my website.

I wasted another snarky composition... You're so fast.

386 reine.de.tout  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 11:34:35am

re: #383 Sharmuta

Who is doing that? No one. And if Kos or DU or Huffpo deleted abusive comments about republicans, I would applaud them. You can't ask for standards in decency without practicing them yourself.

Anyone who reads LGF regularly is going to know what sorts of comments are acceptable and what are not; and in case it's a mystery, Charles posted throughout this thread what would be acceptable and what would not be.

WHY do people bother to register if they're going to come on and immediately take a dump?

387 reine.de.tout  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 11:37:40am

re: #348 Cato the Elder

There are omens when the great pass away.

In the last 12 hours, I had a kitchen fire; scared away a burglar at gunpoint; and found an old dog lying in the alley out back of my house, waiting to be run over.

The fire was minor, but the extinguisher powder is a mess. Check your smoke alarms! Mine worked.

The burglar waddled away with a load in his pants after seeing Haku's teeth and my P7M8.

The dog is at the vet's, getting checked out.

I need a vacation.

What about you? You need checking out too?
Take care of yourself.

What an active 12 hours you've had.

388 eschew_obfuscation  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 11:38:58am

re: #384 Bagua

You are incorrect, the chart you posted does not list the type of cancer that the Senator had.

Arf,

Your example was likewise for a different type of cancer.

James T Kirk,

You are speaking in a general, overall viewpoint, there are many variables to consider and very different populations. My comment was specific to the type of cancer that the honorable Senator suffered.

All of you exhibit a typical weakness of partisan zealotry, you simply cannot accept something that goes against your black and white views. I base my views on direct experience.

Those stats also listed all other cancers for which rates were higher in the U.S. than the UK.

But if you don't like those stats, show us some of yours.

389 right_wing2  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 11:41:31am

I deeply respect Sen. Kennedy's commitment to his beliefs, no matter how much I disagreed with virtually every one of them.

390 Land Shark  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 11:44:27am

While I disagreed with Sen. Ted Kennedy on just about every issue, my thoughts and condolences go out to his family and friends.

May God have mercy on his soul.

391 right_wing2  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 11:46:57am

It's disappointing that there are so few conservatives out there with the commitment to their beliefs that Sen. Kennedy had to his.

392 Picayune  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 11:52:02am

re: #235 Sharmuta


Indeed. That said, I knew Vicki at Tulane and offer her and her family my condolences. She was an invaluable help to Ted and especially this past year throughout his ordeal w/ brain cancer.

As for Ted, I agree with Charles, today's not the time, regardless of how his supporters demean his death with ill advised and ill timed opportunism and publicity stunts (Pelosi/Byrd).

So, I'll only reference a framed letter Ted has in his home office from former Senator Trent Lott, which sums up with something to the effect of - if only the world could know you better, or the real man.

These two were master parliamentarians and today, I'll defer to Trent's opinion.

As Thackeray concludes Barry Lyndon: "...Rich or poor, high or low, they are all equal now."

US Senator, Ted Kennedy, a devout Catholic, is now before his ultimate judge. RIP.

393 Bagua  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 11:56:34am

re: #388 eschew_obfuscation

Those stats also listed all other cancers for which rates were higher in the U.S. than the UK.

But if you don't like those stats, show us some of yours.

I have already told you why your listing simplistic statistics is inaccurate and misleading in this instance, likewise I have told you that I have personal experience specific to the type of cancer that the Senator had and observed its treatment in Germany and Canada and have worked with both the NHS and US health systems.

I am also a strong critic of the move to socialised medicine and consider it inferior to the US system overall. However, in the specific instance of the surgical resection of glioblastoma multiforme, there is no significant difference between the care one would receive, or indeed the resulting prognosis when contrasting the US, NHS, Canada or Germany.

394 coloradobuff  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 11:59:30am

My condolences to his family. They have been through a lot lately, and cancer is always a terrible way to go.

395 Pawn of the Oppressor  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 11:59:51am

I'm absolutely against almost everything the man claimed to stand for, but it is interesting reading the stories and opinions of people who worked with him - what a genuinely committed, hard-working guy he apparently was.

He might have been an SOB, but if so, he was an honest, genuine SOB.

396 Land Shark  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 12:10:27pm

re: #391 right_wing2

It's disappointing that there are so few conservatives out there with the commitment to their beliefs that Sen. Kennedy had to his.

Amen to that. There's no denying his commitment and determination to what he believed. We could use a few like that on the conservative side.

397 Pickles  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 12:11:22pm

RIP Ted and I am glad that your suffering here is over. That was a terrible disease and it had to be painful both for him and his family. May the Lord now welcome him with open arms.

398 princetrumpet  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 12:13:52pm

Mercy always righted you,
Justice ordained.

Knights obey piously, each counted heroically, now'n' ever.

RIP Ted Kennedy

399 FrogMarch  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 12:33:31pm

quick - move the goal posts (D)

400 horse  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 12:56:49pm

The democratic party is weaker today than they were yesterday. Without a doubt, Sen. Kennedy worked hard for the people he represented over many years. My father, a union guy, really liked Ted Kennedy for that reason as well as aligned beliefs. I can not dislike a man my father really admired, regardless of differing political views. May they all rest in peace.

401 Lanzman  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 1:11:54pm

He did some good, he did more bad, and he was on the wrong side of a lot of issues. But dang, the guy had cojones, didn't he? So long, Senator . . . not too many like you left these days.

402 reaperatty  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 1:28:31pm

Senator Kennedy was old school about actually reaching across the aisle to work on bipartisan legislation, agree with it or not. He didn't just wax eloquent about bipartisanship. I still find it interesting that he would champion alternative energy production but would oppose windfarms off "his" shores. I also find it interesting that the health "reform" that he championed would not apply to him or his family or union members and would have caused his life to end sooner than it did. It is the end of the Kennedy era, good or bad.

403 keithgabryelski  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 1:31:08pm

My views aligned with him pretty well, but his politics are the secondary story, here. If everyone devoted their lives to making amends to their indiscretions -- we'd be that much better off. Not that Teddy some how "made up" for them, but his service to the community was one of the best attempts I've seen.

A friend of mine was reminded of when he changed his opinion of Ted Kennedy (for the positive) with this story:

[Link: www.necn.com...]

His unwavering support of 9/11 families as well as fallen/wounded vets.

Farewell Ted Kennedy.

404 Right Brain  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 1:36:31pm

In 1960s Boston when one came of age one joined the Catholic Church, the Democratic Party and the AFL-CIO. Senator Kennedy was very much of those times when the supporting structures of faith, work, and government seemed intact. Senator Kennedy lived long enough to watch all of that melt away: the Catholic Church permanently tarred with massive pedophile scandals, the AFL-CIO shrunk to near insignificance, the Democratic party-- the party of the working man--now the party of the non-working man, the academics, America haters, Northeast seaboard elites who despise the views of those who work with their hands. Senator Kennedy's surprisingly successful campaign against Supreme Court nominee Judge Robert Bork, became the new standard for the Democratic party: lies, agitprops, name-calling, and general insolent end-justifies-the-means behavior.

The party and structures you left behind Senator Kennedy are hardly recognizable when one views the greatness that you inherited.

405 Orangutan  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 1:38:00pm

Best o'luck at the pearly gates, Ted. You had a helluva ride down here. You gotta say, a lot of kids born into his circumstances don't do nearly as much as he did with it - not at all. One smart, pragmatic, and hardworking Senator.

406 marge45b  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 1:44:31pm

God rest his soul. His suffering is over. May he rest in peace.

407 arf  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 1:51:04pm

The words I used were "not so sure" with one example with one cancer. Maybe this particular cancer is done the exact same way both sides of the pond, every palliative and experimental treatment. Maybe not. You're the one speaking in absolutes.

Gotta go, I have patients to see.

408 gregb  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 2:04:50pm

[Link: blastmagazine.com...]

But what did Kennedy actually do? The answer: More than I can possibly detail here. He was the author of more than 2,500 bills and the driving force behind many of the most important liberal initiatives of the past 50 years. His biographer Adam Clymer wrote in 1999 that Kennedy “deserves recognition not just as the leading senator of his time, but as one of the greats in its history.”

If you’re a student dependent on federal loans to attend college, Ted Kennedy was there for you.

If you use a wheelchair and are worried that an employer might discriminate against you, the Americans with Disabilities Act — another Kennedy legacy — will protect you.

If you’re barely scraping by at a minimum-wage job, your wages would be even lower were it not for Kennedy’s tireless efforts on behalf of the working poor.

And though Kennedy never succeeded in his decades-long quest for universal health care, he managed — by working with Republican senators such as his unlikely friend Orrin Hatch of Utah — to extend coverage to poor children who had previously fallen through the cracks.

Kennedy was not above petty politics. I recall following him around Burlington one day in the late 1980s, when I was a reporter for the Daily Times Chronicle of Woburn. Kennedy had just sneaked an amendment into a bill to deny Rupert Murdoch the regulatory waiver he was seeking that would allow him to own both the Boston Herald and WFXT-TV (Channel 25), which Murdoch had just purchased. At every stop, Herald reporter Wayne Woodlief would ask him, “Senator, why are you trying to kill the Herald?”

409 loubob57  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 2:21:18pm

I hardly ever agreed with him and he had some awful baggage, but I wouldn't wish cancer on anyone. I didn't like it when some trashed Bob Novak the day he died, so I don't think anyone should trash Ted today either.

RIP Ted.

410 [deleted]  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 2:57:04pm
411 64warhorse  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 3:03:35pm

I can't say I was a big fan of his, but RIP, and condolences to the family.

412 Hawaii69  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 3:07:33pm

re: #95 realwest

While I do hope Senator Kennedy will rest in peace and do offer my sympathies and condolences to his family, I don't understand why he's being buried at Arlington National Cemetary. Did the news report you saw say anything about that?

As a Senator, he is entitled to be buried there.
He also served in the Army for a few years in
the 1950's. JFK and RFK are there as well.

413 Hawaii69  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 3:25:03pm

re: #233 thedopefishlives

It goes against their very nature. Modern Democrats are not the principled politicians of Kennedy's day - "Let no crisis go to waste" is their mantra. Anywhere they can score cheap political points, they will... Even over a respected colleague's dead body.

Sort of reminds of of the "He's not wearing a flag pin, burn the witch!" tactics of some politicians after 9/11...

414 Hawaii69  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 3:35:26pm

re: #273 1SG(ret)

Actually not true, service alone doesn't give him that honor. The rules are that one must have service in a war zone and earned at least a bronze star. He can be granted the honor from the Sec of Defense or CIC, as was done for Joe Louis. I'm sure the rules where waived for him if they are saying he will be buried there.

That's not what the Arlington Cemetery website says on its criteria page.

It looks like this section has him covered pretty well:

Your text to link...g. Any former member of the Armed Forces who served on active duty (other than for training) and who held any of the following positions:
1) An elective office of the U.S. Government

415 Stuart Leviton  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 3:37:55pm

Thank you Senator Kennedy for your service to America.
Thank you Senator Kennedy for your friendship to Israel.

(It goes without saying thank you Lizards for your high standards of social discourse and respectful decency for the departed.)

416 _RememberTonyC  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 4:00:33pm

Ted Kennedy was always a good friend to Israel. Sadly, many on the left do not share this good quality of his.

417 Bagua  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 4:17:51pm

re: #407 arf

The words I used were "not so sure" with one example with one cancer. Maybe this particular cancer is done the exact same way both sides of the pond, every palliative and experimental treatment. Maybe not. You're the one speaking in absolutes.

Gotta go, I have patients to see.

Yes arf, my point being it is wrong to capitalise on this one example as somehow "proving" that the NHS is inferior with the statement "If Ted Kennedy lived under ObamaCare, he would have died last year" that was a ridiculous assertion. From personal experience I know that the surgery he received, which allowed him several more months of life, is also available under the socialised NHS, Canada and Germany.

There are many, many valid arguments why the present US system is superior on a macro level, this particular simplistic example is not one of them. The anti-Obamacare side is weakened by such flippant remarks just as the AGW skeptic side is weakened by facile arguments that wrongly attack its scientific basis. If we are to mount a credible opposition we need to up our game.

418 Ohiowoman  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 4:30:17pm

My sympathy to his family and friends.

419 MilkOfMalfeasance  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 5:34:49pm

An Irish Blessing
(A Blessing from St. Patrick)

May the road rise to meet you,
May the wind be always at your back,
May the sun shine warm upon your face,
May the rains fall soft upon your fields,
And, until we meet again,
May God hold you in the hollow of His hand.

420 joegosox  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 5:53:47pm

I'll raise one to you Teddy.

421 Toastrider  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 5:58:45pm

No.

422 danhenry1  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 6:14:36pm

Hi Charles and everyone..
Ted Kennedy was a good man. Met him a few times...he ticked people off on the left and the right, mostly to the right. He made people think. He had as many faults as any of us, and lived his life and was loved by those who really knew him. I consider myself and the rest of my family to have been blessed. All anyone can hope for is to be remembered in their thoughts. I would just like to celebrate his life, he could walk on both sides of the aisle. We should remember him for that.

d

423 arf  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 6:16:52pm

417 Bagua - I know what you're saying. Last glioblastoma multiforme I had in my general medicine practice, the patient, new to me, came to me for the first time with headaches, field cut and focal findings on my neurological exam raised suspicions.

"Oh shit"...suspicions...you know what I mean...

MRI the next day. Findings called to me. Brought in the patient, showed findings. I'm in a rural county with no neurologists, no subspecialty internists, for a few years no general surgeon. I called a neurosurgeon of regional, interstate fame, 150 miles away. Patient sent from my office to that neurosurgeon. A friend of patient drove. In neurosurgeon's office that afternoon, in operating room the next day. Adjuvant radiotherapy with the wafers and all that. Survival about two, two and a half years impressed everyone. Completely uninsured, retroactively put on Medicaid and Medicare disability picked up expenses.

See if they can get performance that good in the NHS. Maybe they can. See if they can get it from a remote area such as where I practice. I can think of a whole bunch of ways to improve healthcare financing, but the NHS isn't one of them.

424 vbspurs  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 6:33:37pm

re: #6 Kosh's Shadow

I can't believe that would happen with the first message!

It wasn't really the first message.

LET THE RECORD SHOW, Sharmuta posted the first message in the overnight one, a thread with over 1200, almost all of them positive.

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

425 wiffersnapper  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 6:34:21pm

May he rest in peace and his family find comfort.

426 vbspurs  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 6:45:23pm

re: #395 Pawn of the Oppressor

He might have been an SOB, but if so, he was an honest, genuine SOB.

In other words, he was a savvy politician. His kind of Democrat will be missed.

427 meh130  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 6:49:38pm

His best moments and best speeches were when he ran against Carter in 2000. Thank you Teddy, for helping fracture the post-Watergate Democrat party, and paving the way for the era of Reagan.

428 Flavia  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 8:14:05pm

I like to think that he spent his political career trying to make up for his tragic mistake. May he rest in peace, and his family be comforted for his loss.

429 Gharqad  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 8:15:42pm

re: #427 meh130

His best moments and best speeches were when he ran against Carter in 2000. Thank you Teddy, for helping fracture the post-Watergate Democrat party, and paving the way for the era of Reagan.

And that recount in Minnesota in 2004, that was a nailbiter, let me tell you. Mondale almost lost that one, otherwise Reagan would have swept the board.

/forget it, he's rolling...

430 descolada9  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 8:37:18pm

All I can say is RIP

431 KSK  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 9:04:52pm

Once again LGF showed its class.

432 Ramona  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 9:30:12pm

re: #118 JammieWearingFool

If Ted Kennedy lived under ObamaCare, he would have died last year.

My brother lived under our existing "care"; he lasted 3 months beyond his initial diagnosis of brain cancer. A most horrendous and painful three months.

433 [deleted]  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 10:02:05pm
434 Charles Johnson  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 10:10:18pm

#433: Get off my website.

435 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 10:18:00pm

re: #434 Charles

#433: Get off my website.

Look at it this way, it is almost a sting operation now. It saves you future having to whack them events...

436 Gretchen G.Tiger  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 10:21:46pm

Senator Kenndy's actions in life will or have been judged by a power greater than any of us.

He was a human being. I can only hope that Teddy made his peace and finds rest.

437 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 10:24:56pm

re: #419 MilkOfMalfeasance

An Irish Blessing
(A Blessing from St. Patrick)

May the road rise to meet you,
May the wind be always at your back,
May the sun shine warm upon your face,
May the rains fall soft upon your fields,
And, until we meet again,
May God hold you in the hollow of His hand.

OK, I will upding you both for the blessing, and because I LOVE your nick!

438 realwest  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 10:32:23pm

re: #417 Bagua

But you can't really argue with the bottom line: on the chart, ALL malignancies were worse in Europe than in the USA.

439 Gus  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 10:37:15pm

The sun has set for a man that served his constituents, the state of Massachusetts, and our nation for almost 47 years. An iconic figure that spoke with energy for his ideals and an eye for the details of the senate with near limitless energy. A man that was said to be a great friend to those that befriended him in the senate; even those that stood on the opposite side of the aisle. There are few men that you can say "they broke the mold when they made him." Senator Kennedy is amongst those men.

RIP Senator Edward Kennedy

440 leftover54  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 10:57:23pm

re: #437 SanFranciscoZionist

'OK, I will upding you both for the blessing, and because I LOVE your nick!'

Talk about your 'double take'...

441 cosmo  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 11:10:07pm

Sen. Kennedy and I rarely saw eye-to-eye on the issues, but when he was diagnosed with cancer, I sent a note to his office expressing my support of him in his fight. His staffers sent me a personalized (not form letter with my name put on top) reply thanking me for my thoughts.

I think that was pretty classy.

As for Charles condemning certain opinions on the late Senator, I don't suppose folks like Dick Cheney, et al. will get the same sort of defense and respect from certain websites.

Too bad, since it seems that death is something we all have in common--sooner or later.

Thanks for keeping the dialogue on the up and up, Charles.

442 tobariv  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 11:24:07pm

Thanks to Sen.Kennedy, children with learning disabilities now succeed in college and careers due to extended time testing. The disabilities act opened up education for children with learning differences.Children with muscle and coordination problems can succeed in school by obtaining notes from teachers and/or fellow students. These common sense solutions were not available in the past.

443 Motti  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 11:28:52pm

...

444 leftover54  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 11:45:21pm

I can say this - he lived his life to the fullest, saw and did things the average person couldn't imagine experiencing in their life time. One can't ask for more than to have lived a rich, full life, having at all times followed your own dream until the end. It seems there's always a price to be paid.The man experienced grief too in a proportion the average person prays to be spared. May his family find comfort in the memories of the good times they shared. Maybe in passing he will finally get some answers - may they be good ones. RIP.

445 idioma  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 12:18:57am

He was a powerful contender, no matter what side of the political fence you were on, you respected him, because of his character and tenacity. The Democrats have lost a powerful figure, the Republicans have lost a respected opponent. He fought to end.

I respect that.

446 ali mentary  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 6:49:13am

Hi.

I am afraid of getting my rear kicked by Charles. The following does not want to sound disrespectful, I am simply not a native English speaker and couldn't d better than this:

I believe that the issue of pointing to what is that Ted Kennedy left as a legacy that deserves to be remembered, is the most important here.

Things like the disabilities act of post 442, for instance.

There surely are things he did besides being a Kennedy and an honest liberal and all the other the usual words of these grievous circumstances.

And believe that these items should be listed, well in evidence in this comment thread or even in a blog entry.

Thank you for your patience.

Re: 'health care is the fight of his life.' of post 121.

Then avoiding the obamacare for the sake of the memory of Ted Kennedy is the right thing to do.

Gradually improving what you already have is a cheaper and safer solution than throwing everything away and starting up from scratch.
The latter will necessarily worsen the health care provided and increase the cost of the worsened service.

447 sffilk  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 7:15:11am

re: #220 StillAMarine

In Sephardic Hebrew, it's "Dayan Ha-emet." In Ashkenazic Hebrew, it's "Dayan Ha-emes."

448 MilkOfMalfeasance  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 9:26:24am

re: #437 SanFranciscoZionist

:-)


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