Tech Note: Optimizing LGF Pages

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I’ve been doing a lot of work on the LGF Blog code behind the scenes, so as always, if a feature doesn’t seem to be working correctly, the first thing to try is reloading the page. Bugs get fixed quickly, so reloading will often make all your problems disappear. Well, not all your problems, just the LGF page loading ones.

A significant improvement that isn’t visible in terms of any flashy new features or icons: the size of the front page has been decreased by about 30K, by using Ajax to load all those “spinoff links” forms the first time someone clicks the link, instead of every time the page is loaded. This way, all of that HTML code is loaded only as needed; since there are usually 25-30 posts on the front page, this results in a significant weight loss achievement.

I don’t know if you’ll see a visible speed difference in loading the front page; that depends on a whole lot of other factors besides the page size. But the server hamsters always thank me when I command them to do less work.

In addition to the spinoff links improvement, I’ve greatly reduced the size of the JSON messages that get passed back and forth from your browser to our servers when you post a comment, click the “new comments” button, or turn the “auto” feature on. This also greatly pleases the hamsters.

As always, a big plug for the jQuery JavaScript Library, upon which LGF relies. I’ve finally started using the latest version again, after solving one of the problems that was preventing me from upgrading.

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491 comments
1 zombie  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 1:53:29pm

I think the auto-update of the number of "new comments" upcoming has slowed down my computer when LGF pages are open.

2 Alouenghazi  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 1:54:54pm

Thanks for your hard work!

(BTW did you ever get the T-shirt?)

3 Sharmuta  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 1:56:02pm

I'm still waiting for the new and improved email feature. Any idea when that will come along, Charles?

5 debutaunt  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 1:57:07pm

Thanks - the long threads wear thin.

6 jcm  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 1:57:24pm

Please the hamsters?

Charles is getting soft!

Make them critters earn their pay!

Youtube Video


*runs from a herd of enraged hamsters*

7 Irenicum  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 1:57:46pm

Aw c'mon Charles. Can't you solve ALL my problems?

8 Charles Johnson  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 1:57:59pm

re: #2 Alouette

Oh yeah! Completely forgot. Thanks for reminding me -- I'll go have a look at the shirts soon.

9 reine.de.tout  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 1:58:01pm

re: #4 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Dominick Dunne, a best-selling author and special correspondent for Vanity Fair, died today at his home in Manhattan. He was 83.

Oh, goodness!
I didn't even know he was ill.

10 CommonCents  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 1:58:03pm

Some people get a bit of a jump in endorphins when they learn something new or fix a program bug. I think Charles knows what I'm talking about. That's why he's so fast at fixing things around here.

11 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 1:58:20pm

We got bugs in Florida. Big Fuckers.

12 MrSilverDragon  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 1:58:31pm

Besides running into slowness when a thread reaches ~800 posts and I try to type in the posting box, everything else seems to move along just fine. It loads without issue, and new posts appear quickly...

...actually, the slow typing is a benefit for me, so I don't type so much stupid. Not a bug, a feature!

Thanks for the hard work, Charles!

13 researchok  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 1:58:35pm

re: #2 Alouette

Thanks for your hard work!

(BTW did you ever get the T-shirt?)

I have no idea what the hell Charles is talking about, but LGF works- and works well.

14 Danny  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 1:58:40pm

These software bug issues are certainly important, but a much more pressing question is, can a baggie full of water really repel flies?

15 debutaunt  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 1:59:40pm

re: #14 Danny

These software bug issues are certainly important, but a much more pressing question is, can a baggie full of water really repel flies?

Kind of a messy fly swatter.

16 flyovercountry  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 1:59:44pm

Charles,

so reloading will often make all your problems disappear. Well, not all your problems, just the LGF page loading ones

How much is the charge for making all of our problems disappear?

17 CommonCents  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 1:59:46pm

re: #11 Cannadian Club Akbar

We got bugs in Florida. Big Fuckers.

That was the first thing I noticed when I moved there from Ohio. I walked into my first apartment into my own walk in closet (empty), turned around and in the door frame was a 3 inch "palmetto bug" a.k.a. roach. I knew I was in for a long fight.

18 itellu3times  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 2:00:28pm

JSON and the Lizardnauts

19 Ayeless in Ghazi  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 2:00:29pm

Buck Rogers

Youtube Video
20 jcm  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 2:00:36pm

re: #14 Danny

These software bug issues are certainly important, but a much more pressing question is, can a baggie full of water really repel flies?

Fill it with Whiskey, drink the whiskey and you won't care about the flies.

21 Irenicum  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 2:00:43pm

re: #16 flyovercountry

Exactly! And I'm willing to pay!

22 midwestgak  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 2:00:51pm

re: #4 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

What a life he lived. RIP dear sir.

23 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 2:01:04pm

re: #17 CommonCents

That was the first thing I noticed when I moved there from Ohio. I walked into my first apartment into my own walk in closet (empty), turned around and in the door frame was a 3 inch "palmetto bug" a.k.a. roach. I knew I was in for a long fight.

Palmetto bugs have wings. Run faster!!

24 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 2:01:10pm

re: #17 CommonCents

That was the first thing I noticed when I moved there from Ohio. I walked into my first apartment into my own walk in closet (empty), turned around and in the door frame was a 3 inch "palmetto bug" a.k.a. roach. I knew I was in for a long fight.

Train the suckers to carry your dishes to the dish washer.

25 Danny  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 2:01:28pm

re: #20 jcm

Fill it with Whiskey, drink the whiskey and you won't care about the flies.

Hmm, I dunno...OK I'll try it.

26 Kragarghazi  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 2:01:36pm

Boombox - Animated Video

Youtube Video
27 Digital Display  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 2:02:18pm

re: #8 Charles

Oh yeah! Completely forgot. Thanks for reminding me -- I'll go have a look at the shirts soon.

I'll bet we could sell a shit load of Tee-shirts...Personally a LGF coffee cup would rock...

28 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 2:03:03pm

re: #27 HoosierHoops

I'll bet we could sell a shit load of Tee-shirts...Personally a LGF coffee cup would rock...


I thought Charles used to sell T's?

29 unrealizedviewpoint  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 2:03:12pm

re: #16 flyovercountry

Charles,

so reloading will often make all your problems disappear. Well, not all your problems, just the LGF page loading ones

How much is the charge for making all of our problems disappear?


I want one of those Reset Buttons Hillary was giving out.

30 jcm  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 2:04:43pm

re: #27 HoosierHoops

I'll bet we could sell a shit load of Tee-shirts...Personally a LGF coffee cup would rock...

Get Juante or another artistic Lizard to come up with a coat of arms.

31 CommonCents  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 2:05:12pm

re: #24 Walter L. Newton

Train the suckers to carry your dishes to the dish washer.

I eventually surrendered and moved to Michigan. Now I have raccoons and bears. But the key is they are outside.

32 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 2:05:29pm

re: #30 jcm

JCM, didn't you post a LGF Minion patch a couple weeks ago?

33 KenJen  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 2:05:34pm

Guess this may explain why I have to hit the "post this comment" button 2 or 3 times before it works.

34 akalivas  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 2:06:20pm

Thanks Charles. I'm reading on a little netbook with limited memory. I appreciate any reductions in page size as much as the hamsters!

35 KenJen  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 2:06:40pm

LGF baseball caps would be cool.

36 CyanSnowHawk  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 2:06:47pm

O Boy Danny.

37 midwestgak  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 2:06:48pm

re: #29 unrealizedviewpoint

I want one of those Reset Buttons Hillary was giving out.

Here you go

38 jcm  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 2:06:56pm

re: #32 Cannadian Club Akbar

JCM, didn't you post a LGF Minion patch a couple weeks ago?

Yep, minion patch. There was shoulder patch sized and leather jacket size.

39 reloadingisnotahobby  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 2:07:13pm

re: #31 CommonCents

I eventually surrendered and moved to Michigan. Now I have raccoons and bears. But the key is they are outside.


Till they figure it out!!;-)

40 yochanan  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 2:07:31pm

[Link: www.cthulhulives.org...]
can i have the camel toe that goes with it?

41 albusteve  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 2:07:56pm

re: #17 CommonCents

That was the first thing I noticed when I moved there from Ohio. I walked into my first apartment into my own walk in closet (empty), turned around and in the door frame was a 3 inch "palmetto bug" a.k.a. roach. I knew I was in for a long fight.

pffft!...3in?...I've seen 'em 6in!...no 8 INCHES!

42 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 2:07:57pm

re: #38 jcm

Yep, minion patch. There was shoulder patch sized and leather jacket size.

Where to get it. I was gonna email you but all I got was your blog site, no contact.

43 yochanan  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 2:08:13pm

re: #39 reloadingisnotahobby

coons are smart

44 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 2:08:15pm

re: #31 CommonCents

I eventually surrendered and moved to Michigan. Now I have raccoons and bears. But the key is they are outside.

Not all the time. We've had two house invasions by bears during the last month. Careful. I see bears on our property a few times a month.

I know about palmetto bugs, I lived in Texas for 15 years. Nasty things that have no clue on how to fly, so they just run into things.

45 jcm  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 2:08:23pm

The button that makes it all just go away...

46 jcm  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 2:09:38pm

re: #42 Cannadian Club Akbar

Where to get it. I was gonna email you but all I got was your blog site, no contact.

They are all gone IIRC. And the "vendor" is no longer with us.

47 Athos  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 2:09:39pm

re: #28 Cannadian Club Akbar

I thought Charles used to sell T's?

Yep, I still proudly wear mine on a regular basis...

I like the double take some give when they see it and the anti-idiotarian hq on the back...

48 cronus  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 2:10:28pm

re: #16 flyovercountry

Charles,

How much is the charge for making all of our problems disappear?

There's an app for that...

Youtube Video
49 albusteve  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 2:10:43pm

re: #44 Walter L. Newton

Not all the time. We've had two house invasions by bears during the last month. Careful. I see bears on our property a few times a month.

I know about palmetto bugs, I lived in Texas for 15 years. Nasty things that have no clue on how to fly, so they just run into things.

arm yourself...seriously...a bear sitting on the changer while Lost is starting is a capital offense

50 reloadingisnotahobby  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 2:11:30pm

re: #44 Walter L. Newton

Walter,
I now from experience that a aerosol air horn scares the shit out of a bear!!
On rare occasions it will only piss them off more...
Just thought I'd pass that al...Never mind!

51 Digital Display  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 2:12:08pm

re: #30 jcm

Get Juante or another artistic Lizard to come up with a coat of arms.

The Lizard marketing of Tee-Shirts would be awesome...I have some great ideas...Coffee cups...The cookbook was a great idea...
But I think a yearbook 'The best of for 2009' would sell-out.. The best posts at LGF from 2009...a Nightstand book...And just for the record..I'd buy an LGF work out sweats...Beats the F*ck out of wearing Nike all the time...

52 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 2:12:10pm

re: #49 albusteve

arm yourself...seriously...a bear sitting on the changer while Lost is starting is a capital offense

You got that. There was no TV in this house when I moved in, I called DirectTV. I will have LOST this winter. Can't get broadcast signal up here.

53 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 2:12:26pm

re: #44 Walter L. Newton

Bears like it when you run at them, screaming.
/

54 yochanan  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 2:12:43pm

re: #50 reloadingisnotahobby

green bay packers piss off the bears around me

55 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 2:13:34pm

re: #51 HoosierHoops

The Lizard marketing of Tee-Shirts would be awesome...I have some great ideas...Coffee cups...The cookbook was a great idea...
But I think a yearbook 'The best of for 2009' would sell-out.. The best posts at LGF from 2009...a Nightstand book...And just for the record..I'd buy an LGF work out sweats...Beats the F*ck out of wearing Nike all the time...

We need something the the thread when PETA asked Zero not to kill flies...

56 turn  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 2:14:17pm

heh, the term "weight loss" is highlighted with one of those infolink adds - I don't think you'll see a link to how to reduce the size of your blog by following it. Great work Charles!

57 KenJen  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 2:14:18pm

re: #51 HoosierHoops

The Lizard marketing of Tee-Shirts would be awesome...I have some great ideas...Coffee cups...The cookbook was a great idea...
But I think a yearbook 'The best of for 2009' would sell-out.. The best posts at LGF from 2009...a Nightstand book...And just for the record..I'd buy an LGF work out sweats...Beats the F*ck out of wearing Nike all the time...

Book name: "The Year of the Lizard"?

58 midwestgak  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 2:14:23pm

re: #54 yochanan

green bay packers piss off the bears around me

The last citing of dangerous bears was in 1985.

59 Spare O'Lake  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 2:14:48pm

re: #17 CommonCents

That was the first thing I noticed when I moved there from Ohio. I walked into my first apartment into my own walk in closet (empty), turned around and in the door frame was a 3 inch "palmetto bug" a.k.a. roach. I knew I was in for a long fight.

Heh. Reminds me of the spider in the bathroom scene in Annie Hall.

60 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 2:15:01pm

re: #55 Cannadian Club Akbar

We need something FROM the thread..PIMF.

61 turn  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 2:15:05pm

re: #56 turn

woah, did that post go up faster? wow

62 reloadingisnotahobby  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 2:15:10pm

re: #51 HoosierHoops

Ya'll wear cloths when ya work out??

Humph...?

63 turn  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 2:15:26pm

re: #61 turn

No kidding, a huge improvement Charles.

64 Digital Display  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 2:15:36pm

re: #35 KenJen

LGF baseball caps would be cool.

Great idea...Also...Everybody that is cool wears their ball hats backwards..( get over it Lizards) I say put all the cool art work on the backside of the hat..Nobody sees the front artwork...Put a cool Lizard logo on the back..The kids will buy the shit out them

65 jcm  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 2:15:43pm

re: #58 midwestgak

The last citing of dangerous bears was in 1985.

You'll just have to Soldier on.

66 UFO TOFU  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 2:16:15pm

re: #14 Danny

I thought you were supposed to include a few pennies in the baggy. Although I don't know why.

67 Danny  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 2:16:40pm

re: #66 UFO TOFU

Yeah that's one method. Does that one work?

68 KenJen  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 2:16:50pm

re: #64 HoosierHoops

Great idea...Also...Everybody that is cool wears their ball hats backwards..( get over it Lizards) I say put all the cool art work on the backside of the hat..Nobody sees the front artwork...Put a cool Lizard logo on the back..The kids will buy the shit out them

I liked the old lizard lounge logo. That would make a good beer drinkin cap.

69 [deleted]  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 2:17:01pm
70 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 2:17:20pm

Cirque De Soleil - Kooza - 4 hours away. Yea.

71 turn  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 2:18:02pm

re: #68 KenJen

I liked the old lizard lounge logo. That would make a good beer drinkin cap.

Who suds?

72 [deleted]  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 2:18:07pm
73 reloadingisnotahobby  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 2:18:17pm

re: #70 Walter L. Newton
Have a great time!!
Drive careful goin "down" the hill!

74 jcm  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 2:18:19pm

re: #66 UFO TOFU

I thought you were supposed to include a few pennies in the baggy. Although I don't know why.

Since I never heard of this baggie thingie I had to look it up...

Many people swear that a zip-lock bag filled half-way with water and attached over entry-ways will repel flies. No one yet knows how or why it works, but there is speculation that it has something to do with the way the moving water refracts light. If you have tried this please use the comments form at the bottom of the page to share your results with the rest of us.
75 CyanSnowHawk  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 2:18:49pm

re: #69 IntegrityMatters

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

Take it somewhere else asshole.

76 KenJen  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 2:19:02pm

re: #71 turn

Who suds?

Huh?

77 UFO TOFU  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 2:19:04pm

re: #67 Danny

I haven't tried it myself, but an employee with horses swears by it.

78 reloadingisnotahobby  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 2:19:19pm

re: #72 DrNaughty

They may have diff... "arrangements"!
Not speaking ill... just sayin!

79 turn  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 2:19:27pm

re: #76 KenJen

Huh?

stupid beer pun.

80 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 2:19:37pm

re: #73 reloadingisnotahobby

Have a great time!!
Drive careful goin "down" the hill!

We're going to do Oriental before the show. Sort of a big night out, at least for me, in 3 years.

81 Danny  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 2:19:54pm

re: #74 jcm

What do you think jcm? Does it work?

82 [deleted]  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 2:19:56pm
83 midwestgak  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 2:20:34pm

A new thread does not mean that Senator Kennedy can now be bashed. The comment above was deleted within seconds.

84 KenJen  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 2:20:34pm

re: #79 turn

stupid beer pun.

It kinda fell flat./

85 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 2:20:42pm

re: #82 jcm

Bad, quote, Bad

86 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 2:20:48pm

re: #82 jcm

Buh-bye.

Uncalled for. We had 12 hours of discussion at least.

87 Digital Display  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 2:20:55pm

re: #68 KenJen

I liked the old lizard lounge logo. That would make a good beer drinkin cap.

Great idea! The old lounge lizard playing Beer Pong with Obama on the back..
You could pencil in 40000 orders in the morning...A lot of us older Lizards would like a classy shirt with the perfect rotating title on the back..
Lizard golf shirts? Don't get me started...

88 reloadingisnotahobby  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 2:20:57pm

re: #80 Walter L. Newton

I and Mrs. Loader will be doin the same next month in Vegas!
we both need the break!

89 jcm  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 2:21:08pm

re: #81 Danny

What do you think jcm? Does it work?

Interesting concept, a little disco ball or even a CD might have the same effect.

Let me apply for a federal grant and I'll study the matter.

90 turn  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 2:21:55pm

re: #84 KenJen

It kinda fell flat./

Yeah, it had something aleing it for sure.

91 jcm  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 2:22:18pm

re: #85 Walter L. Newton

Bad, quote, Bad

Crap, I could of sworn I hit reply and not quote!

Oh, Stinky! One *Whack* please!

92 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 2:22:51pm

re: #88 reloadingisnotahobby

I and Mrs. Loader will be doin the same next month in Vegas! we both need the break!

Good for you. I've had to be careful with moeny for the last number of years, a night out for 3 at Cirque with dinner is like a round trip plane fare somewhere in the US, but, it's been a while since I spent this kind of dough, and my girlfriend and daughter has never seen a Cirque show, so that makes it really worth it.

93 yochanan  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 2:23:18pm

[Link: www.zazzle.com...]

cool t.shirt

and i am making these posters
US CAPITAL as a wood cut with the text
Read the damn bills!

94 turn  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 2:23:22pm

re: #91 jcm

Crap, I could of sworn I hit reply and not quote!

Oh, Stinky! One *Whack* please!

Man these posts are loading so quick, no wonder you got confused.

95 Dianna  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 2:23:57pm

re: #82 jcm

Don't quote remarks bound to be deleted, because then I wonder why you were deleted!

96 reloadingisnotahobby  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 2:24:44pm

Man this sure sped up !!
Way to go Charles !
That Voo Doo thing is working it!

97 yochanan  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 2:25:27pm

re: #83 midwestgak

if you can't say something good about a deceased pol. silence is more than ok.

98 turn  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 2:25:44pm

re: #96 reloadingisnotahobby

Man this sure sped up !!
Way to go Charles !
That Voo Doo thing is working it!

No kidding, I think my days of getting frustrated using IE on long theads has come to an end. Way to go Charles!

99 Cato the Elder  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 2:26:46pm

What I can't understand is why anyone uses IE when Firefox is free.

Even at work. Unless you have a fascist IT department that won't let you install your own stuff.

100 reloadingisnotahobby  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 2:27:12pm

Well I gotta finish my day and go home for my weekly beating!
Ya'll be good!!

101 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 2:27:35pm

re: #99 Cato the Elder

What I can't understand is why anyone uses IE when Firefox is free.

Even at work. Unless you have a fascist IT department that won't let you install your own stuff.

I am a computer idiot. How does that work?

102 reloadingisnotahobby  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 2:27:54pm

re: #99 Cato the Elder

Dude!
Ya gotta make EVERYTHING political??
LOL

103 doppelganglander  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 2:28:17pm

re: #4 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Dominick Dunne, a best-selling author and special correspondent for Vanity Fair, died today at his home in Manhattan. He was 83.

That's too bad. I've been watching the new season of "Power, Privilege and Justice" on Tru TV (don't judge) and he looked kind of frail.

104 UFO TOFU  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 2:28:26pm

re: #99 Cato the Elder

Or Safari.

105 Bobblehead  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 2:28:39pm

Whoa..3 deletions in a tech thread.

106 turn  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 2:28:48pm

re: #99 Cato the Elder

What I can't understand is why anyone uses IE when Firefox is free.

Even at work. Unless you have a fascist IT department that won't let you install your own stuff.

That Sarbanes-Oxley requirement here at work has things really nailed down - major no-no to install your own software. It must go through IT.

107 Kosh's Shadow  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 2:28:57pm

Let's see if this helps. I had to reload once; I was away for 20 minutes and when I came back, Firefox was unresponsive, taking an entire CPU core and 1 GB of memory. After reload, it is reasonable, 140 MB.
Maybe having three LGF tabs with different versions of the code got things confused.

108 DrNaughty  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 2:29:04pm

re: #4 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Dominick Dunne, a best-selling author and special correspondent for Vanity Fair, died today at his home in Manhattan. He was 83.

Sad to hear that :(

109 yochanan  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 2:29:23pm

i am also doing a wood cut poster with albect Durer fig. of death with a hour glass with the caption of
I am from the gov't and am here to help,

want to put a federal building behind the figure wondering if i will get a visit from the secret service if i were to use the white house vs the capital building

any opinions?

110 jcm  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 2:29:43pm

re: #101 Cannadian Club Akbar

I am a computer idiot. How does that work?

Many work places to reduce the work load on the IT department, limit what a user can install on their computer. Prevents folks from downloading all kinds of crapola off the web and kludging a computer up beyond recognition.

111 Shug  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 2:30:06pm

any flounce offs today over Uncle Teddy?

112 DrNaughty  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 2:30:20pm

re: #106 turn

That Sarbanes-Oxley requirement here at work has things really nailed down - major no-no to install your own software. It must go through IT.

If you don't own the computer, don't put programs on it not approved by the company which does..

113 turn  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 2:30:33pm

re: #107 Kosh's Shadow

huh? oh never mind kosh ... you geeks ;.)

114 reloadingisnotahobby  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 2:30:38pm

re: #107 Kosh's Shadow

30 compressions to three rescue breaths...get busy!

115 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 2:30:45pm

re: #110 jcm

Many work places to reduce the work load on the IT department, limit what a user can install on their computer. Prevents folks from downloading all kinds of crapola off the web and kludging a computer up beyond recognition.

I'm not at work. Just scared to do something when I don't know what I'm doing.

116 jcm  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 2:30:58pm

re: #105 Bobblehead

Whoa..3 deletions in a tech thread.

One was mine, I had a brain fart and hit quote not reply.

D'oh!

This rounds on me I guess!

117 reloadingisnotahobby  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 2:31:13pm

re: #111 Shug

Well Duh!

118 Charles Johnson  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 2:31:17pm

I'm pretty sure I fixed that sporadic bug that would cause a spinning wheel hang-up when you posted a comment or hit 'new comments'.

119 CyanSnowHawk  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 2:31:32pm

re: #105 Bobblehead

2 quotes.

120 unrealizedviewpoint  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 2:31:34pm

re: #111 Shug

any flounce offs today over Uncle Teddy?

I know we refrain from unkind commenting with regard to Senator Kennedy, but must we call him Uncle Teddy?

121 turn  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 2:31:56pm

re: #112 DrNaughty

If you don't own the computer, don't put programs on it not approved by the company which does..

Exactly. The IT guy is a Windows and HP devotee.

122 jcm  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 2:31:58pm

re: #114 reloadingisnotahobby

30 compressions to three rescue breaths...get busy!

Latest is all compressions and no breaths...

123 yochanan  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 2:32:02pm

what do i need to do to get a lizards opinion
get a cute lizzardette and a brass pole?

124 UFO TOFU  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 2:32:03pm

re: #116 jcm

This rounds on me I guess!


I'll have a Grand Marnier. Thanks!

125 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 2:32:04pm

re: #118 Charles

I'm pretty sure I fixed that sporadic bug that would cause a spinning wheel hang-up when you posted a comment or hit 'new comments'.

I hate spinning bugs...

126 reloadingisnotahobby  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 2:32:31pm

re: #118 Charles

I had six and the prize dept.. still hasn't called!
WTH

127 Cato the Elder  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 2:32:43pm

If, God forbid, something awful should happen to the person or family of a politician I despise, I would mourn for her like I do for anyone else.

That some people think dead Ted Kennedy is fair game is astonishing.

I hope we don't lose any long-term lizards over this.

128 turn  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 2:32:47pm

re: #125 Cannadian Club Akbar

I hate spinning bugs...

What did he do, stomp on them?

129 Occasional Reader  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 2:32:51pm

A sincere "thank you" for the constant improvements, Charles.

130 Lee Coller  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 2:32:59pm

re: #118 Charles

I'm pretty sure I fixed that sporadic bug that would cause a spinning wheel hang-up when you posted a comment or hit 'new comments'.

A zillion updings!

131 Racer X  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 2:33:07pm

re: #118 Charles

I'm pretty sure I fixed that sporadic bug that would cause a spinning wheel hang-up when you posted a comment or hit 'new comments'.

Site was really slow a little while ago. Now it is fast as hell.

Thanks boss!

132 Charles Johnson  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 2:33:14pm

re: #129 Occasional Reader

A sincere "thank you" for the constant improvements, Charles.

Is that 'shifting icon' thing fixed too?

133 yochanan  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 2:33:18pm

re: #123 yochanan

what do i need to do to get a lizards opinion
get a cute lizzardette and a brass pole?

i am also doing a wood cut poster with albect Durer fig. of death with a hour glass with the caption of
I am from the gov't and am here to help,

want to put a federal building behind the figure wondering if i will get a visit from the secret service if i were to use the white house vs the capital building

any opinions?

134 reloadingisnotahobby  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 2:33:26pm

re: #122 jcm

Really?
Well that explians alot!
Did I just type that?

135 Kosh's Shadow  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 2:33:41pm

re: #110 jcm

Many work places to reduce the work load on the IT department, limit what a user can install on their computer. Prevents folks from downloading all kinds of crapola off the web and kludging a computer up beyond recognition.

Given people will install all kinds of free stuff from the Internet, pirated games, etc, this can be a good idea with many lusers.
OTOH, developers have a hard time without administrative privileges.
What do you mean I can't change the Registry? The software I'm writing requires me to change it for testing. And I need to be able to install my development software and test it.

136 turn  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 2:33:49pm

re: #129 Occasional Reader

A sincere "thank you" for the constant improvements, Charles.

From what I can tell this is the end to our frustrations on long posts.

137 yochanan  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 2:33:53pm

re: #127 Cato the Elder

well there is the rock group

138 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 2:33:53pm

re: #118 Charles

I'm pretty sure I fixed that sporadic bug that would cause a spinning wheel hang-up when you posted a comment or hit 'new comments'.

It stopped happening to me.

139 UFO TOFU  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 2:34:06pm

re: #123 yochanan

Doesn't an upding count?

140 Shug  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 2:34:12pm

Charles I remember that there used to be littlegreenfootballs T shirts for sale.
I can't see them any more. Are they still for sale?

141 jcm  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 2:34:13pm

re: #129 Occasional Reader

A sincere "thank you" for the constant improvements, Charles.

I'll add mine too! Thank you, Charles!

142 itellu3times  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 2:34:37pm

re: #123 yochanan

what do i need to do to get a lizards opinion
get a cute lizzardette and a brass pole?

I dunno about the opinion, but I'll take a t-shirt with the lizzardette and the brass pole.

143 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 2:34:47pm

re: #140 Shug

Charles I remember that there used to be littlegreenfootballs T shirts for sale.
I can't see them any more. Are they still for sale?

Soon to be back by popular demand!!!

144 Alouenghazi  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 2:35:08pm

re: #13 researchok

I have no idea what the hell Charles is talking about, but LGF works- and works well.

I offered Charles his choice of a biking or jazz-themed T-shirt, made in Israel, from the Zionist Mall.

145 Occasional Reader  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 2:35:18pm

re: #132 Charles

Is that 'shifting icon' thing fixed too?


[just checking]

Okay, on that, the bold key jumped a bit when I placed the cursor on it, but not as badly as before, I think.

146 Charles Johnson  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 2:35:21pm

re: #140 Shug

Charles I remember that there used to be littlegreenfootballs T shirts for sale.
I can't see them any more. Are they still for sale?

We're working on some merchandising stuff, little by little. I'll let you know.

147 doppelganglander  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 2:35:26pm

re: #109 yochanan

i am also doing a wood cut poster with albect Durer fig. of death with a hour glass with the caption of
I am from the gov't and am here to help,

want to put a federal building behind the figure wondering if i will get a visit from the secret service if i were to use the white house vs the capital building

any opinions?

As long as Death doesn't look too much like the current occupant of the White House, I think you're in the clear.

148 alegrias  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 2:35:47pm

re: #120 unrealizedviewpoint

I know we refrain from unkind commenting with regard to Senator Kennedy, but must we call him Uncle Teddy?

* * * *
Good question. On the other hand, I never understood why Josef Stalin is lovingly called "Uncle Joe" by some.

149 jcm  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 2:35:55pm

re: #135 Kosh's Shadow

Given people will install all kinds of free stuff from the Internet, pirated games, etc, this can be a good idea with many lusers.
OTOH, developers have a hard time without administrative privileges.
What do you mean I can't change the Registry? The software I'm writing requires me to change it for testing. And I need to be able to install my development software and test it.

All users here have admin rights because of that. The lab PCs I manage all users have Admin rights. About once a month I nuke the hard drive and install a clean image of the OS and basic software we use.

150 Kosh's Shadow  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 2:35:56pm

re: #111 Shug

any flounce offs today over Uncle Teddy?

No flounces I saw, but one troll got banned on his first post. A sock puppet probably, darn it. (After the post was deleted, he shows -4 karma, 0 posts)

151 snowcrash  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 2:35:58pm

re: #111 Shug

any flounce offs today over Uncle Teddy?


I don't think anyone really cared enough. lol

152 turn  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 2:36:31pm

re: #141 jcm

I'll add mine too! Thank you, Charles!

I always found it suspicious that OR was the only one saw those shifting icons, and only after a long lunch. :.)

Later folks, time to go walk the lab along the American.

153 Occasional Reader  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 2:36:39pm

re: #124 UFO TOFU

I'll have a Grand Marnier. Thanks!

And Barney Frank just ordered a Grand Mariner. "Hi, Sailor!"

154 albusteve  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 2:36:48pm

re: #146 Charles

We're working on some merchandising stuff, little by little. I'll let you know.

key chains!

155 Bobblehead  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 2:36:52pm

More from my summer reading list.
How I Became a Famous Novelist by Steve Hely
Very funny send up of the literary world. The mock NYT Bestsellers List is almost worth the price of the book.

156 Danny  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 2:37:01pm

Comments are not freezing with multiple LGF Spy windows like they were before. Yay.

157 wrenchwench  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 2:37:02pm

re: #146 Charles

We're working on some merchandising stuff, little by little. I'll let you know.

I'd like a Beaumont Wrench, please!

158 CyanSnowHawk  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 2:37:03pm

re: #135 Kosh's Shadow

Given people will install all kinds of free stuff from the Internet, pirated games, etc, this can be a good idea with many lusers.
OTOH, developers have a hard time without administrative privileges.
What do you mean I can't change the Registry? The software I'm writing requires me to change it for testing. And I need to be able to install my development software and test it.

Never had a problem with that at the dev houses I've worked at. Most realize that the engineers need admin. It's a sign of a bad employer if they make you jump through hoops just to do your job.

159 DrNaughty  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 2:37:04pm

re: #148 alegrias

* * * *
Good question. On the other hand, I never understood why Josef Stalin is lovingly called "Uncle Joe" by some.

It was coined by the United States press during the war to make him seem like a good guy to be Allies with

160 alegrias  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 2:37:15pm

re: #123 yochanan

what do i need to do to get a lizards opinion
get a cute lizzardette and a brass pole?

* * *
Albert Durer's praying hands, now of THAT I have a wooden facsimile & opinion!

161 Digital Display  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 2:37:20pm

re: #99 Cato the Elder

What I can't understand is why anyone uses IE when Firefox is free.

Even at work. Unless you have a fascist IT department that won't let you install your own stuff.

It is so much more complex than that Cato...
Did you know there are no snapins available for Firefox to run Oracle 12R?
If you run entire Corporations from an ERP you dare not let a soul download it.. There are critical configuration programs we use that can only run on IE6..
It costs millions of dollars and thousands of man hours to keep systems running and up to date...The Enterprise always run a few years behind but the Technology is rock solid and Bullet proof...We have to have up times in the 99.99% range...We test thousands of Apps before an upgrade...Just cause FireFox is the latest greatest software means nothing to the Enterprise...I can't wait for Firefox to run in our Enterprise...Kick MS to the curb..

162 Occasional Reader  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 2:37:23pm

re: #146 Charles

We're working on some merchandising moichandizing stuff, little by little. I'll let you know.

FIFY

May the Schwartz be with you!

163 Kosh's Shadow  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 2:37:43pm

re: #149 jcm

All users here have admin rights because of that. The lab PCs I manage all users have Admin rights. About once a month I nuke the hard drive and install a clean image of the OS and basic software we use.

I do most of my testing on virtual machines. Screw it up? Revert to snapshot.

164 albusteve  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 2:37:44pm

re: #157 wrenchwench

I'd like a Beaumont Wrench, please!

green...on a keychain

165 JamesTKirk  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 2:37:54pm

The links used to automatically open whenever I loaded the LGF front page. Now I have to click on "Show Top Rated Links" every time. Is that a bug or a feature?

166 Cato the Elder  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 2:39:03pm

The little dog I found this morning in the alley behind my house turns out to be 13 years old, with arthritis, infected teeth, skin problems, overgrown toenails, matted fur. I'm calling her Zoe ("life"). The vet is checking her for kidney and liver function.

She was lying there as if waiting for a car to come zipping around the corner like they do all the time and run her over.

I may have to decide tonight whether to try and save her or put her down.

167 JamesTKirk  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 2:39:10pm

re: #10 CommonCents

Some people get a bit of a jump in endorphins when they learn something new or fix a program bug. I think Charles knows what I'm talking about. That's why he's so fast at fixing things around here.

I'm a programmer. That debugging endorphin high is not a myth.

Pity it doesn't also burn off 1000 calories each time...

168 cliffster  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 2:39:36pm

This sucks. Everything goes so fast I can't waste nearly as much time as I used to could.

Yes, I did say used to could.

169 Occasional Reader  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 2:39:47pm

re: #157 wrenchwench

I'd like a Beaumont Wrench, please!

Stinky actually has an entire collection of tools that were ruthlessly vandalized by Hollywood moonbats who were excoriated on this blog.

So perhaps, you'll be order a Stinky Beaumont Star-Mangled Spanner.

170 zombie  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 2:39:53pm

re: #132 Charles

I think I'm still getting that "Ajax calls wake up my sleeping computer" thing.

Before, if an LGF page was open on my screen, and I put my laptop "to sleep," it would stay asleep.

But now, with the presence of the Ajax doohickey thing that sends to my browser the number of upcoming "new comments" (displayed next to the New Comments button), whenever I have an LGF page open and try to put my computer to sleep--it often (though not always) seems to wake itself up again soon afterward.

I can't say for sure if this is caused by the update doohickey thing, but the unwanted wake-ups seem to never (or extremely rarely) occur when there is no LGF page open.

171 Kosh's Shadow  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 2:40:03pm

re: #158 CyanSnowHawk

Never had a problem with that at the dev houses I've worked at. Most realize that the engineers need admin. It's a sign of a bad employer if they make you jump through hoops just to do your job.

I haven't had the problem anywhere I worked, even in the place that assigned you the password you were to use. (OK, so if you find pr0n on my computer, you can't prove I put it there because you have the password, too. I didn't say that, but I never look at pr0n anyway. One headhunter's opinion of the place was "You were smart enough to get hired by them, and smart enough to get out quickly.")

172 Cato the Elder  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 2:40:05pm

re: #167 JamesTKirk

I'm a programmer. That debugging endorphin high is not a myth.

Pity it doesn't also burn off 1000 calories each time...

For me, it's solving a tricky translation conundrum.

173 researchok  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 2:40:33pm

re: #144 Alouette

I offered Charles his choice of a biking or jazz-themed T-shirt, made in Israel, from the Zionist Mall.

Great site!

How about some proprietary LGF Jazz musicians on a Merkava tank artwork?

I'm in for tshirts and cap.

174 yochanan  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 2:40:35pm

re: #147 doppelganglander

As long as Death doesn't look too much like the current occupant of the White House, I think you're in the clear.

[Link: www.lib-art.com...]

i did a repro of the death with the hourglass from this print

also did one using the whole print
with the text euthanasia under it

175 Occasional Reader  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 2:40:37pm

re: #169 Occasional Reader

you'll be order

[sigh]

176 reloadingisnotahobby  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 2:41:17pm

re: #172 Cato the Elder
No shit!
What the fuck is conundrum???
LOL

177 Bobblehead  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 2:41:25pm

re: #166 Cato the Elder

The little dog I found this morning in the alley behind my house turns out to be 13 years old, with arthritis, infected teeth, skin problems, overgrown toenails, matted fur. I'm calling her Zoe ("life"). The vet is checking her for kidney and liver function.

She was lying there as if waiting for a car to come zipping around the corner like they do all the time and run her over.

I may have to decide tonight whether to try and save her or put her down.

The poor little darlin'. What a nice thing for you to do.

178 doppelganglander  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 2:41:34pm

re: #166 Cato the Elder

The little dog I found this morning in the alley behind my house turns out to be 13 years old, with arthritis, infected teeth, skin problems, overgrown toenails, matted fur. I'm calling her Zoe ("life"). The vet is checking her for kidney and liver function.

She was lying there as if waiting for a car to come zipping around the corner like they do all the time and run her over.

I may have to decide tonight whether to try and save her or put her down.

You really are a big softy, aren't you? I know you'll do what's best for her.

179 JamesTKirk  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 2:41:52pm

re: #32 Cannadian Club Akbar

Try this as a tileable wallpaper/background:
Image: lgftile.gif

180 samsgran1948  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 2:41:55pm

re: #11 Cannadian Club Akbar

We got bugs in Florida. Big Fuckers.

That's why I'll never go to Florida: cockroaches the size of dinner plates that fly.

181 alegrias  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 2:42:05pm

re: #146 Charles

We're working on some merchandising stuff, little by little. I'll let you know.

* * *
Charles, I'm sorry Bernie Goldberg didn't mention you and LGF last night when he was talking about how YOU debunked them within seconds of CBS posting fake documents about Pres. Bush in 2004.

Of course, few of us knew young citizen George W. Bush had volunteered to go to Vietnam, either.

Thanks for nothing, Mary Mapes & Dan Rather.

182 Cato the Elder  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 2:42:09pm

re: #161 HoosierHoops

It is so much more complex than that Cato...
Did you know there are no snapins available for Firefox to run Oracle 12R?
If you run entire Corporations from an ERP you dare not let a soul download it.. There are critical configuration programs we use that can only run on IE6..
It costs millions of dollars and thousands of man hours to keep systems running and up to date...The Enterprise always run a few years behind but the Technology is rock solid and Bullet proof...We have to have up times in the 99.99% range...We test thousands of Apps before an upgrade...Just cause FireFox is the latest greatest software means nothing to the Enterprise...I can't wait for Firefox to run in our Enterprise...Kick MS to the curb..

Well, live and learn.

The companies I've worked for were all small enough that you could work with IT.

Why anyone would use it at home, though, is a riddle wrapped in an enigma inside a conundrum.

183 Darth Vader Gargoyle  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 2:43:01pm

Charles,

Appreciate the efforts. I have IE6 here at work (Navy Marine Corps Intranet) and can see an improvement!

184 DrNaughty  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 2:43:08pm

re: #180 samsgran1948

That's why I'll never go to Florida: cockroaches the size of dinner plates that fly.

One of the several reasons that Mrs Naughty demanded to leave the West Palm Beach area.. You don't argue with the one that must be obeyed

185 doppelganglander  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 2:43:21pm

re: #174 yochanan

[Link: www.lib-art.com...]

i did a repro of the death with the hourglass from this print

also did one using the whole print
with the text euthanasia under it

If you want to be controversial, by all means use the WH. The Capitol, however, is better recognized and more accurate, since that's where legislation comes from.

186 Dianna  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 2:43:34pm

re: #166 Cato the Elder

The little dog I found this morning in the alley behind my house turns out to be 13 years old, with arthritis, infected teeth, skin problems, overgrown toenails, matted fur. I'm calling her Zoe ("life"). The vet is checking her for kidney and liver function.

She was lying there as if waiting for a car to come zipping around the corner like they do all the time and run her over.

I may have to decide tonight whether to try and save her or put her down.

I do not envy you this decision, but I'm sure you'll do what is best for the dog.

187 Occasional Reader  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 2:43:34pm

re: #152 turn

I always found it suspicious that OR was the only one saw those shifting icons, and only after a long lunch. :.)

Tee more martoonis, please.

188 yochanan  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 2:43:58pm

re: #173 researchok

[Link: www.judaicawebstore.com...]

send this one to the zero and say judenfrie isn't kosher.

189 jcm  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 2:44:09pm

re: #176 reloadingisnotahobby

No shit!
What the fuck is conundrum???
LOL

You know, one of those things, for... ahh, well you, protection. That's it protection!

/;-P

190 CyanSnowHawk  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 2:44:40pm

re: #176 reloadingisnotahobby

No shit!
What the fuck is conundrum???
LOL

Kind of a cross between a Taiko and Tom-tom.

191 UFO TOFU  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 2:44:49pm

re: #181 alegrias

Of course, few of us knew young citizen George W. Bush had volunteered to go to Vietnam, either.


I just learned that myself this morning.

192 JamesTKirk  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 2:44:52pm

re: #98 turn

No kidding, I think my days of getting frustrated using IE on long theads has come to an end. Way to go Charles!

FTFY?

193 Cato the Elder  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 2:45:15pm

re: #101 Cannadian Club Akbar

I am a computer idiot. How does that work?

You mean installing Firefox instead of IE? I'll be glad to help.

If you mean getting around a company IT policy, I'm afraid that's not my bailiwick. ;^)

194 SixDegrees  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 2:45:31pm

re: #161 HoosierHoops

It is so much more complex than that Cato...
Did you know there are no snapins available for Firefox to run Oracle 12R?
If you run entire Corporations from an ERP you dare not let a soul download it.. There are critical configuration programs we use that can only run on IE6..
It costs millions of dollars and thousands of man hours to keep systems running and up to date...The Enterprise always run a few years behind but the Technology is rock solid and Bullet proof...We have to have up times in the 99.99% range...We test thousands of Apps before an upgrade...Just cause FireFox is the latest greatest software means nothing to the Enterprise...I can't wait for Firefox to run in our Enterprise...Kick MS to the curb..

Well...maybe. Frankly, open source software rarely does well in such environments; there's just not enough interest in bulletproofing applications to the level required by corporate IT departments. And Firefox is entering the "It isn't shiny anymore!" phase of it's life cycle; it's getting hard to rope up enough people to work on it. Both IE and Safari have released or are on the verge of releasing multithreaded versions of their browsers; Firefox doesn't expect to release one for over a year, maybe a year and a half.

It's a very nice browser - and the only one I use, being on Linux - but the burst of innovation that launches so many open source projects has long since worn off, and developers are chasing other cutting edge projects instead of slogging away at what is now essentially a maintenance project.

I've heard bad things about FF 3.5, too, although I haven't upgraded yet so I don't know how true they are. Quality control is another thing that tends to suffer on open source projects once the original instigators move on.

195 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 2:46:02pm

re: #193 Cato the Elder

You mean installing Firefox instead of IE? I'll be glad to help.

If you mean getting around a company IT policy, I'm afraid that's not my bailiwick. ;^)

Home.

196 alegrias  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 2:46:22pm

re: #159 DrNaughty

It was coined by the United States press during the war to make him seem like a good guy to be Allies with

* * * *
Thank you for that historical note.

When people began dying shot in the back while trying to escape soviet satellite countries, that should have been a clue for the starry eyed among us that "Uncle" Joe and his henchmen were NOT good guys after all.

197 Digital Display  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 2:47:07pm

re: #182 Cato the Elder

Well, live and learn.

The companies I've worked for were all small enough that you could work with IT.

Why anyone would use it at home, though, is a riddle wrapped in an enigma inside a conundrum.

No riddle my friend..pure marketing..Some newbee buys a vista laptop and Clicks on IE8and connects to the internet...
Lucky for them..We are here to tell them to junk that shit...
Lawdy..I love the Internet

198 Dianna  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 2:47:13pm

Gah!

Consider that a virtual scream.

6 pages of drivel, and I can't decide what these idiots are asking for, and why can't they just say how much money they want? Honestly, they're not exactly at the top of the priority list anyway, so why don't they stop being coy and just put an amount in?!

199 albusteve  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 2:47:17pm

re: #195 Cannadian Club Akbar

Home.

just google mozilla and download firefox...presto!...new browzer

200 Cato the Elder  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 2:47:26pm

re: #195 Cannadian Club Akbar

Home.

You want I should call you? My nick is blue. Send me an email.

201 Spare O'Lake  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 2:47:50pm

re: #166 Cato the Elder

The little dog I found this morning in the alley behind my house turns out to be 13 years old, with arthritis, infected teeth, skin problems, overgrown toenails, matted fur. I'm calling her Zoe ("life"). The vet is checking her for kidney and liver function.

She was lying there as if waiting for a car to come zipping around the corner like they do all the time and run her over.

I may have to decide tonight whether to try and save her or put her down.

Nice of you to provide emergency care for a stray.
But is the dog yours to put down?
Don't you have a humane society or an animal shelter there?
How do you know the owner isn't looking for it?

202 yochanan  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 2:48:28pm

re: #185 doppelganglander

i have already used the capital in a number of them but if i used the white house i was just whorring if i would get a visit from the secret service

203 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 2:48:40pm

re: #200 Cato the Elder

You want I should call you? My nick is blue. Send me an email.

Will do. Have a couple questions. I will owe you a 12 pack.

204 DrNaughty  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 2:49:14pm

re: #196 alegrias

* * * *
Thank you for that historical note.

When people began dying shot in the back while trying to escape soviet satellite countries, that should have been a clue for the starry eyed among us that "Uncle" Joe and his henchmen were NOT good guys after all.

When Nazi troops entered Ukraine and the western parts of Russia they were seen as liberators.

205 Kosh's Shadow  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 2:49:19pm

re: #194 SixDegrees

I've been having Firefox 3.5 crash every day or so. That does seem to be a Firefox problem. I also used to get Safari and IE crashing all the time, but that was usually in the Flash code. With Firefox, I use NoScript, so I don't have that problem.

206 Occasional Reader  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 2:50:07pm

re: #201 Spare O'Lake

Nice of you to provide emergency care for a stray.
But is the dog yours to put down?
Don't you have a humane society or an animal shelter there?
How do you know the owner isn't looking for it?

Good point.

Cato, it would be good of you to check a couple of the bigger "lost pet" sites. (Just google the term and you'll find 'em... ASPCA maintains one, maybe the biggest.)

207 eschew_obfuscation  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 2:50:23pm

re: #191 UFO TOFU

I just learned that myself this morning.

I saw that on Fox News this morning. For some reason, I knew that. What they said was that he was turned down for lack of flying time. But what they didn't mention was that the plane he was most qualified in (F-102) was essentially obsolete by the time he would have been deployed and not much in use in Vietnam.

208 midwestgak  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 2:51:10pm

re: #201 Spare O'Lake

How do you know the owner isn't looking for it?

The description of the dog doesn't sound like he was cared for and ready to be in competition as Best of Show.

209 JamesTKirk  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 2:51:12pm

re: #191 UFO TOFU

I just learned that myself this morning.

That was buried in the CBS investigation of Rathersgate. They actually found all sorts of evidence of W not shirking duty, volunteering for Nam (the policy was to send the most senior/experienced pilots, which is why he was turned down), and so forth; but since that didn't fit the story that Rather and Mapes wanted to tell, they discarded all of it and went with forgeries instead. Forgeries that they knew were false because they had evidence that proved otherwise in their hands that they kept to themselves.

210 DrNaughty  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 2:51:24pm

re: #197 HoosierHoops

No riddle my friend..pure marketing..Some newbee buys a vista laptop and Clicks on IE8and connects to the internet...
Lucky for them..We are here to tell them to junk that shit...
Lawdy..I love the Internet

When I bought this laptop a year ago it took me several days to get al the junk off of it.

I do admit to using IE 7 to download Firefox. I keep IE7 on for the occasional need to go to the microsoft website.

211 Kosh's Shadow  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 2:51:43pm

re: #204 DrNaughty

When Nazi troops entered Ukraine and the western parts of Russia they were seen as liberators.

Sure. With Nazis, you could tell if they were going to take you away or leave you alone. Stalin would randomly have people taken away. It put fear in everyone that if they were caught, when they seemed perfect citizens, Stalin must have a very powerful secret police. (I think this was Beria's idea, and he was in charge of the KGB.)

212 JamesTKirk  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 2:52:31pm

re: #196 alegrias

* * * *
Thank you for that historical note.

When people began dying shot in the back while trying to escape soviet satellite countries, that should have been a clue for the starry eyed among us that "Uncle" Joe and his henchmen were NOT good guys after all.

It might have been a clue, if people like Duranty at the NYT were actually interested in telling people the truth about what was happening in the Worker's Paradise.

213 Dianna  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 2:52:43pm

re: #206 Occasional Reader

Good point.

Cato, it would be good of you to check a couple of the bigger "lost pet" sites. (Just google the term and you'll find 'em... ASPCA maintains one, maybe the biggest.)

The animal's condition, as described, shows the poor little thing to be a stray. If she's in the kind of shape where she's not uncomfortable, Cato can look for the owners. But if she's in pain, he might do better simply to put her to sleep and not look.

214 unrealizedviewpoint  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 2:52:49pm

re: #166 Cato the Elder

The little dog I found this morning in the alley behind my house turns out to be 13 years old, with arthritis, infected teeth, skin problems, overgrown toenails, matted fur. I'm calling her Zoe ("life"). The vet is checking her for kidney and liver function.

She was lying there as if waiting for a car to come zipping around the corner like they do all the time and run her over.

I may have to decide tonight whether to try and save her or put her down.

There may be family missing the poor beast. Craig's List has a Lost & Found Section you may consider. Newspapers accept FREE Lost & Found Ads. Worth a shot, maybe?

btw - Here I am looking to strangle you, then this...

215 alegrias  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 2:53:23pm

re: #204 DrNaughty

When Nazi troops entered Ukraine and the western parts of Russia they were seen as liberators.

* * * *
Russian troops reputedly looted even toilet porcelain from occupied Germany, to send home to Mother Russia-- the big fat progressive paradise & community organized outhouse with no internal plumbing.

216 JamesTKirk  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 2:53:29pm

re: #204 DrNaughty

When Nazi troops entered Ukraine and the western parts of Russia they were seen as liberators.

Not for long, though. Stalin was the frying pan, Hitler was the fire.

217 Spare O'Lake  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 2:53:36pm

re: #204 DrNaughty

When Nazi troops entered Ukraine and the western parts of Russia they were seen as liberators.

And then the Ukes pitched right in to help with the holocaust.

218 DrNaughty  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 2:53:51pm

re: #212 JamesTKirk

It might have been a clue, if people like Duranty at the NYT were actually interested in telling people the truth about what was happening in the Worker's Paradise.

A darker side to the Russian and Ukrainian people under Nazi occupation was that many were recruited by the SS to perform special actions against the Jews.

219 Kosh's Shadow  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 2:53:52pm

re: #208 midwestgak

How do you know the owner isn't looking for it?

The description of the dog doesn't sound like he was cared for and ready to be in competition as Best of Show.

Just an aside. We have our dogs microchipped, and one of the first things a reputable vet or animal control officer will do is scan the pet for them; they can then get your address and get in touch with you.

220 Occasional Reader  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 2:54:01pm

Off to the gym now, to keep my rippling, rock-hard muscles in perfect condition.

You mere mortals try to make do without me for a few hours.

221 DrNaughty  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 2:54:07pm

re: #217 Spare O'Lake

And then the Ukes pitched right in to help with the holocaust.

And many also joined the Waffen SS

222 Dianna  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 2:54:19pm

re: #211 Kosh's Shadow

Sure. With Nazis, you could tell if they were going to take you away or leave you alone. Stalin would randomly have people taken away. It put fear in everyone that if they were caught, when they seemed perfect citizens, Stalin must have a very powerful secret police. (I think this was Beria's idea, and he was in charge of the KGB.)

People refer to the mid to late 30's as the Yezovschina. Beria was considered an improvement.

223 karmic_inquisitor  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 2:54:38pm

anyone looking for journalists hard at work cherry picking quotes, one need look no further than Time Magazine regarding the CIA IG report on EITs.

Perhaps knowing that many people won't read the report (which is a PDF scan of the document - and a poor quality one at that), they have made some interesting assertions. Here is an small example:

The initial harsh interrogation program, begun in 2002, was poorly managed, some interrogators were poorly trained and informed, and they used techniques that were substantially harsher than what had been approved by the White House and the Justice Department.

That makes you think that the entire program was loose and fast throughout its life with out of control agents going well beyond the law ("substantially"). If one reads the report, one learns that the program lacked controls in the very early days and that those controls were then put in place. The events that Holder is rumored to want to prosecute (the handgun / drill threats) occurred within the first 12 months of the program by an untrained contractor.

When you understand that context, you can read the quote that Time uses to justify its assertion and realize that it shows the assertion to be an exaggeration -

“[T]he Agency—especially in the early months of the Program—failed to provide adequate staffing, guidance, and support to those involved with the detention and interrogation of detainees,” the report states.

Then they bring up the contractor who beat a captive who later died.


There were a number of episodes when people working for the CIA behaved outside of approved techniques. Perhaps the most serious case involved an Afghan citizen, who had been implicated in rocket attacks on U.S. military bases. Once captured, in June of 2003, the suspect was held at a military base. “During the four days the individual was detained, an Agency independent contractor, who was a paramilitary officer, is alleged to have severely beaten the detainee with a large metal flashlight and kicked him during interrogation sessions.” The detainee died in custody. The contractor, who had not been trained or authorized to conduct interrogations, received a relatively light punishment. He did not have his contract renewed by the CIA. (my emphasis)

The United States does not have a paramilitary. Nor did it have many Pashto speakers at the time. Aghan war lords on the other hand employed paramilitary Pashto speakers and were more than willing to take money from the Americans to beat the shit out of the Taliban. That one got employed to do an interrogation in the early days of the program and then beat the shit out of a guy from the Taliban is regrettable. But the implication that he got a "relatively light punishment" is absurd - exactly what authority would the CIA have had to arrest, try and convict the guy in a country that had no courts or functioning government at the time? Kinda hard to deliver due process where no process exists.

Anyway - the left is basking in a morality orgy over this report when the report itself vindicates waterboarding as an effective means of getting information that was not gotten any other way (another set of quotes they leave out).

224 yochanan  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 2:54:59pm

re: #211 Kosh's Shadow

Ukraine was very anti semitic they would not have been bothered by the Nazi's murder of the Jewish and Romany people in fact many of them actively helped. as did the Hungarians, Croats, poles, Baltic countries as well as the french among others.

225 UFO TOFU  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 2:55:02pm

re: #207 eschew_obfuscation

Interesting, thanks.

226 alegrias  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 2:55:07pm

re: #207 eschew_obfuscation

I saw that on Fox News this morning. For some reason, I knew that. What they said was that he was turned down for lack of flying time. But what they didn't mention was that the plane he was most qualified in (F-102) was essentially obsolete by the time he would have been deployed and not much in use in Vietnam.

* * * *
I can also understand George W. Bush wanting to volunteer to go to Vietnam to FLY NAVY as his father did in World War II, and not volunteer to be infantry or Army.

227 Cato the Elder  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 2:55:35pm

re: #178 doppelganglander

You really are a big softy, aren't you? I know you'll do what's best for her.

For animals, kids, and fools who can't help it, I am. And face to face I'd probably even like the people I think I hate.

The folks were just standing around in the alley when I got there wondering what to do. I'm a go-to guy when it comes to this kind of thing, so I went and put a blanket in a box and got my car. The vet is five minutes away.

This is how I found my beloved Haku the Jindo, too. Except he was five months old and is still like a puppy at age six.

Poor Zoe.

228 Digital Display  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 2:55:57pm

re: #194 SixDegrees

Well...maybe. Frankly, open source software rarely does well in such environments; there's just not enough interest in bulletproofing applications to the level required by corporate IT departments. And Firefox is entering the "It isn't shiny anymore!" phase of it's life cycle; it's getting hard to rope up enough people to work on it. Both IE and Safari have released or are on the verge of releasing multithreaded versions of their browsers; Firefox doesn't expect to release one for over a year, maybe a year and a half.

It's a very nice browser - and the only one I use, being on Linux - but the burst of innovation that launches so many open source projects has long since worn off, and developers are chasing other cutting edge projects instead of slogging away at what is now essentially a maintenance project.

I've heard bad things about FF 3.5, too, although I haven't upgraded yet so I don't know how true they are. Quality control is another thing that tends to suffer on open source projects once the original instigators move on.

mmm...You make a well resoned augument..But open source is such more complex than Browers..A few years ago we championed open source for running SAN's systems...That means no matter what in house system you built your infrastructure with..Windows, UNIX, Sun Boxes..EMC SANS, IMB Sharks HP Microcode It didn't matter...All the corporate software could talk on the Storage network...We blew the market open...This last year we brought VM to San technology...It's hard to see the horizon with open source...But I've seen some amazing things so far

229 Charles Johnson  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 2:56:32pm

re: #165 JamesTKirk

The links used to automatically open whenever I loaded the LGF front page. Now I have to click on "Show Top Rated Links" every time. Is that a bug or a feature?

Ah ha. You found a loose end.

230 Spare O'Lake  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 2:57:07pm

re: #208 midwestgak

How do you know the owner isn't looking for it?

The description of the dog doesn't sound like he was cared for and ready to be in competition as Best of Show.

Fair point.
Remember that original Lassie movie with Roddie McDowell? That little collie dragged its sorry little ass across half of Scotland, and still came home looking like Best in Show.

231 albusteve  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 2:57:21pm

Cato the Strangled...after thinking about and since others have butted in, this is my take...finders keepers, do what you think is best for the dog

232 JamesTKirk  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 2:57:41pm

re: #229 Charles

Ah ha. You found a loose end.

Don't tell my wife.

233 alegrias  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 2:57:55pm

re: #220 Occasional Reader

Off to the gym now, to keep my rippling, rock-hard muscles in perfect condition.

You mere mortals try to make do without me for a few hours.

* * * *
LIAR. It's restaurant week in Washington, DC--you're probably going off to some fancy restaurant for half price "international cuisine".

234 Kosh's Shadow  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 2:58:43pm

re: #224 yochanan

Ukraine was very anti semitic they would not have been bothered by the Nazi's murder of the Jewish and Romany people in fact many of them actively helped. as did the Hungarians, Croats, poles, Baltic countries as well as the french among others.

Yes, I left that out; implied by the "you knew if they were going to come and get you" part.
And after the war, many still went after the Jewish neighbors who survived to return.

235 eschew_obfuscation  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 2:59:21pm

re: #233 alegrias

* * * *
LIAR. It's restaurant week in Washington, DC--you're probably going off to some fancy restaurant for half price "international cuisine".

Adriana Lima Beans...

236 JamesTKirk  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 2:59:21pm

re: #233 alegrias

LIAR. It's restaurant week in Washington, DC--you're probably going off to some fancy restaurant for half price "international cuisine".

WHAT?!? Why was I not informed of this?

Let me find a friend in a red shirt to bring along, just to make sure I'm not the one who ends up with indigestion or food poisoning.

237 researchok  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 2:59:30pm

re: #188 yochanan

That was dry. Like a perfect martini.

I like.

238 DrNaughty  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 2:59:39pm

re: #207 eschew_obfuscation

I saw that on Fox News this morning. For some reason, I knew that. What they said was that he was turned down for lack of flying time. But what they didn't mention was that the plane he was most qualified in (F-102) was essentially obsolete by the time he would have been deployed and not much in use in Vietnam.

Bush would have had to get trained in F-4s in 1969. The F-102 was deployed to southeast asia in the mid 1960s in an air defense role and apparently was effective over South Vietnam, but as a US-based itnerceptor for Air Defense Command it was replaced in front-line units by the F-106. Duces were still in national guard units but were being phased out.

239 Cato the Elder  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 2:59:52pm

re: #213 Dianna

The animal's condition, as described, shows the poor little thing to be a stray. If she's in the kind of shape where she's not uncomfortable, Cato can look for the owners. But if she's in pain, he might do better simply to put her to sleep and not look.

Which is exactly my plan. She may have a microchip. If she's stable I'll take her to the local SPCA, which is excellent, and put up signs with pictures as well as checking all the available sites. The SPCA will not put her down unless they have to. And someone might adopt her as a hospice dog.

240 DrNaughty  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 3:01:04pm

re: #226 alegrias

* * * *
I can also understand George W. Bush wanting to volunteer to go to Vietnam to FLY NAVY as his father did in World War II, and not volunteer to be infantry or Army.

I chose to enlist in the Air Force in 1972 as I also saw no upside to being a ground pounder...

241 researchok  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 3:01:05pm

re: #224 yochanan

Ukraine was very anti semitic they would not have been bothered by the Nazi's murder of the Jewish and Romany people in fact many of them actively helped. as did the Hungarians, Croats, poles, Baltic countries as well as the french among others.

Baltics were the minor leagues compared to the Croats.

242 midwestgak  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 3:01:10pm

re: #230 Spare O'Lake

Fair point. Real life.
Remember that original Lassie movie with Roddie McDowell? That little collie dragged its sorry little ass across half of Scotland, and still came home looking like Best in Show.

Cute movie.

243 Dianna  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 3:01:33pm

re: #239 Cato the Elder

Which is exactly my plan. She may have a microchip. If she's stable I'll take her to the local SPCA, which is excellent, and put up signs with pictures as well as checking all the available sites. The SPCA will not put her down unless they have to. And someone might adopt her as a hospice dog.

My problem is that every time I take in a stray, and go looking for the owners, I find said owner, just about the time I've gotten attached.

244 Danny  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 3:01:57pm

Just got a brochure in the mail from Campaign for Responsible Heath Reform. (www.responsiblehealthreform.com). Never heard of them...anyone know if they're good or bad?

245 Darth Vader Gargoyle  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 3:02:02pm

re: #240 DrNaughty

I chose to enlist in the Air Force in 1972 as I also saw no upside to being a ground pounder...

Ran into a Chief Master Sergeant in the 80's who told me he joined the Air Force during Vietnam to avoid military service!

246 alegrias  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 3:02:21pm

re: #236 JamesTKirk

WHAT?!? Why was I not informed of this?

Let me find a friend in a red shirt to bring along, just to make sure I'm not the one who ends up with indigestion or food poisoning.

* * * *
Bwahaha, I dined at the Taberna del Alabardero Spanish restaurant where former Al Veep used to go during the go go 1990s, for $50 bucks' worth of terrific serious sangria, Andalusian gazpacho, crusty bread, rosado wine, sword fish over something or other and flan. Mmmm.

247 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 3:03:00pm

re: #240 DrNaughty

I chose to enlist in the Air Force in 1972 as I also saw no upside to being a ground pounder...

My father tried to enlist during Vietnam. The army took one look at his back and said "No thank you." Turns out they were right.

248 JamesTKirk  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 3:03:31pm

re: #246 alegrias

* * * *
Bwahaha, I dined at the Taberna del Alabardero Spanish restaurant where former Al Veep used to go during the go go 1990s, for $50 bucks' worth of terrific serious sangria, Andalusian gazpacho, crusty bread, rosado wine, sword fish over something or other and flan. Mmmm.

I already ate, though. Apparently it was my turn to cook, because as soon as I walked in the door my wife told me she was hungry.

249 DrNaughty  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 3:03:35pm

re: #245 rwdflynavy

Ran into a Chief Master Sergeant in the 80's who told me he joined the Air Force during Vietnam to avoid military service!

Chief Master Sergeants do tend to be highly intelligent...

250 alegrias  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 3:03:52pm

re: #240 DrNaughty

I chose to enlist in the Air Force in 1972 as I also saw no upside to being a ground pounder...

* * * *
Thank you for your service & sacrifice.

251 SixDegrees  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 3:03:56pm

re: #228 HoosierHoops

mmm...You make a well resoned augument..But open source is such more complex than Browers..A few years ago we championed open source for running SAN's systems...That means no matter what in house system you built your infrastructure with..Windows, UNIX, Sun Boxes..EMC SANS, IMB Sharks HP Microcode It didn't matter...All the corporate software could talk on the Storage network...We blew the market open...This last year we brought VM to San technology...It's hard to see the horizon with open source...But I've seen some amazing things so far

OOS does seem to work well in some areas. Operating systems, networking protocols and other "infrastructure"-type projects seem to thrive under it. Perhaps that's because the people working on such things are uber-geeks to begin with, and the number of people involved is small and easy to manage.

I was referring more to commercial application software, where IMO OOS has failed to live up to it's hype. There just aren't that many people interested in writing yet another word processor or spreadsheet program.

252 yochanan  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 3:04:00pm

re: #241 researchok

in fact most of euroland had fascist parties that were more than willing to help the Nazi in the shoah

the list is rather short of those who helped, Denmark, Bulgaria, Serbia. and in some cases Albania and that is about it.

253 unrealizedviewpoint  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 3:04:26pm

re: #229 Charles

Ah ha. You found a loose end.

I never find anything. :(
Though I notice when I want to comment to a spinoff, upon click, a new window doesn't open, I lose the present window. This often prevents me from eagerly commenting, as I don't want to backclick. I'm lazy like that.

254 DrNaughty  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 3:04:57pm

re: #250 alegrias

* * * *
Thank you for your service & sacrifice.

Thank you..

255 JamesTKirk  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 3:05:29pm

re: #253 unrealizedviewpoint

I never find anything. :(
Though I notice when I want to comment to a spinoff, upon click, a new window doesn't open, I lose the present window. This often prevents me from eagerly commenting, as I don't want to backclick. I'm lazy like that.

Right-click and open in a new tab/window.

I was doing that for a while before I realized that they were automatically doing that.

256 Darth Vader Gargoyle  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 3:05:50pm

re: #249 DrNaughty

Chief Master Sergeants do tend to be highly intelligent...

How many years did you serve? I've got 19. Might make a career out of it.

257 alegrias  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 3:06:46pm

re: #245 rwdflynavy

Ran into a Chief Master Sergeant in the 80's who told me he joined the Air Force during Vietnam to avoid military service!

* * * *
Had you ever heard the term "CHAir Force"? I was shocked, shocked to learn recently that some Army officers think the Air Force does nothing but ferry Nancy Pelosi and other fat politicians around in fancy military planes.

258 albusteve  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 3:06:49pm

Detective Waak is out of whack and the opposition is stunned...STUNNED!


[Link: www.foxnews.com...]

259 researchok  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 3:07:22pm

re: #252 yochanan

in fact most of euroland had fascist parties that were more than willing to help the Nazi in the shoah

the list is rather short of those who helped, Denmark, Bulgaria, Serbia. and in some cases Albania and that is about it.

Add the Italians to that list, Mussolini notwithstanding.

The Jews of Rome and Venice in particular, found sympathy from most of the locals.

260 JamesTKirk  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 3:08:02pm

re: #257 alegrias

* * * *
Had you ever heard the term "CHAir Force"? I was shocked, shocked to learn recently that some Army officers think the Air Force does nothing but ferry Nancy Pelosi and other fat politicians around in fancy military planes.

Interservice rivalry and badanage is fun to watch. I've seen a few meetings get temporarily derailed by a snarky comment directed at one branch by a member of another.

261 DrNaughty  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 3:08:46pm

re: #256 rwdflynavy

How many years did you serve? I've got 19. Might make a career out of it.

You're already in career status..

22. Enlisted Jun 1972 - Retired Nov 94. Had 4 years detached service while in ROTC (Aug 80-May 85). Enlisted as an E-1, retired as O-3E. Would have stayed in longer but was RIF after the Cold War ended when the Air Force shrank by about half...

262 Darth Vader Gargoyle  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 3:08:52pm

re: #260 JamesTKirk

Interservice rivalry and badanage is fun to watch. I've seen a few meetings get temporarily derailed by a snarky comment directed at one branch by a member of another.


I served on the Joint Staff for 3 years, so I saw lots of that.

263 Digital Display  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 3:09:14pm

One more Technical note Lizards..
For years in the Network world the only way to make a fast connection to your Data was to use complex crossbar switches to control data flow..Like the phone company but on a Data Network..Who ever could design the fastest Crossbar was an industry leader...No more..The last couple of years all connections are becoming virtualized within the circuit...Software LUN connections as opposed to complex circuits..
It's a brave new world...

264 JamesTKirk  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 3:09:51pm

re: #262 rwdflynavy

I served on the Joint Staff for 3 years, so I saw lots of that.

Did you get a second-hand buzz from being around the Joint staff?

265 Darth Vader Gargoyle  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 3:09:52pm

re: #261 DrNaughty

You're already in career status..

22. Enlisted Jun 1972 - Retired Nov 94. Had 4 years detached service while in ROTC (Aug 80-May 85). Enlisted as an E-1, retired as O-3E. Would have stayed in longer but was RIF after the Cold War ended when the Air Force shrank by about half...

Yeah, I was joking about the career thing. My Dad was forced to retire during the "Peace Dividend" days as well. He did 27 in the Navy.

266 Darth Vader Gargoyle  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 3:10:15pm

re: #264 JamesTKirk

Did you get a second-hand buzz from being around the Joint staff?


It was certainly interesting!

267 alegrias  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 3:10:21pm

Wow, Fox News Cable's Brent Baer's doing a nice legislative history of Teddy Kennedy's life.

268 Darth Vader Gargoyle  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 3:10:46pm

re: #267 alegrias

Wow, Fox News Cable's Brent Baer's doing a nice legislative history of Teddy Kennedy's life.


I like Baer, he is a class act.

269 doppelganglander  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 3:10:58pm

re: #260 JamesTKirk

Interservice rivalry and badanage is fun to watch. I've seen a few meetings get temporarily derailed by a snarky comment directed at one branch by a member of another.

My husband used to work on a contract for the US Army Reserve - lots of former Army, retirees, and current reservists. He's former Navy so there was a lot of that, but he felt some of it was a little pointed because most of them were officers and he was enlisted. Not that he cared.

270 DrNaughty  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 3:11:14pm

re: #257 alegrias

* * * *
Had you ever heard the term "CHAir Force"? I was shocked, shocked to learn recently that some Army officers think the Air Force does nothing but ferry Nancy Pelosi and other fat politicians around in fancy military planes.

That used to be the 89th MAW at Andrews. Had a friend of mine at Ramstein get assigned there. Need to have nearly perfect APRs to get assigned to that unit and I presume their requirements are still high.

271 3 wood  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 3:12:28pm

Good evening.

The market was more or less flat today as it is looking for reasons to go up or down.
FDIC OKs rules easing bank buys by private equity


The Federal Deposit Insurance Corp. eased the way Wednesday for private-equity firms to buy failed banks through the FDIC.

The board of the FDIC voted 4-1 Wednesday to require private-equity firms with no history of bank management to maintain a 10% capital-asset ratio and to submit to strong restrictions on lending to their affiliates. The rules also require private-equity firms that bid on banks to commit to owning and operating them for three years.

The new rules are not as stringent as those proposed last month that would have required a 15% capital commitment.

New banks are required to have an 8% capital commitment.

The new FDIC policy strongly encourages private-equity firms to form partnerships with existing bank holding companies when bidding on failed banks to avoid the capital requirements.

A majority of directors of the FDIC said the policy was a good balance between the desire to attract more capital for the banking system against the need to protect the taxpayers.


I'm astounded, I think a government agency is actually making a good move, attracting private capital to the banking melt down workout.

Obama must not know about this or he'd kill it.

272 alegrias  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 3:12:39pm

re: #268 rwdflynavy

I like Baer, he is a class act.

* * * *
So is Major Garrett, assigned to the White House. These are serious reporters that have decorum & brains.

273 DrNaughty  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 3:12:59pm

re: #265 rwdflynavy

Yeah, I was joking about the career thing. My Dad was forced to retire during the "Peace Dividend" days as well. He did 27 in the Navy.

I had just turned 40 when I retired. Had set a goal of retiring in the year 2000..

274 JamesTKirk  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 3:13:33pm

re: #267 alegrias

Wow, Fox News Cable's Brent Baer's doing a nice legislative history of Teddy Kennedy's life.

What's odd (but I guess not entirely surprising) is that most of the Teddy-bashing I've encountered* has actually come from left-of-center women.

*the trolls here don't count because they were almost all deleted before I read them.

275 opnion  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 3:13:38pm

re: #272 alegrias

* * * *
So is Major Garrett, assigned to the White House. These are serious reporters that have decorum & brains.

Major Garrett & Jake Tapper seem to be the best.

276 DrNaughty  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 3:14:16pm

re: #268 rwdflynavy

Class Act all the way

277 JamesTKirk  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 3:14:17pm

re: #265 rwdflynavy

Yeah, I was joking about the career thing. My Dad was forced to retire during the "Peace Dividend" days as well. He did 27 in the Navy.

I guess I shouldn't mention my work on BRAC

278 alegrias  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 3:14:50pm

re: #273 DrNaughty

I had just turned 40 when I retired. Had set a goal of retiring in the year 2000..

* * * *
Hahahaha. Retirement, what's that?
If this economy doesn't turn around, we'll all be working until we drop dead, if not for ourselves, then to help our families pay their taxes.

279 Darth Vader Gargoyle  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 3:15:04pm

re: #277 JamesTKirk

I guess I shouldn't mention my work on BRAC

I'm pretty sure you only closed bases, not careers. Never got BRACed off a base yet.

280 Sharmuta  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 3:16:04pm

Dealing with Right Wing Crazies

/hat tip: Gus802

281 Digital Display  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 3:16:13pm

re: #277 JamesTKirk

I guess I shouldn't mention my work on BRAC

Nope..They closed Mare Island shipyard...

282 alegrias  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 3:16:37pm

re: #277 JamesTKirk

I guess I shouldn't mention my work on BRAC

* * * *
Did you or did you not shake hands with that reprobate, Rep. Moran? (Speaking of BRAC in Virginia)

At long last, sir, Have you no decency?///

283 yochanan  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 3:17:03pm

re: #259 researchok

if you were a Italian citizen yes but they did ship out non Italian Jews to the Germans.

so the picture is rather mixed

284 JamesTKirk  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 3:17:30pm

re: #282 alegrias

* * * *
Did you or did you not shake hands with that reprobate, Rep. Moran? (Speaking of BRAC in Virginia)

At long last, sir, Have you no decency?///

Never met him.

As for any decency I may or may not have -- that's a matter of some debate.

Don't ask MandyManners.

285 DrNaughty  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 3:17:39pm

re: #279 rwdflynavy

I'm pretty sure you only closed bases, not careers. Never got BRACed off a base yet.

I got BRAC'd off of Myrtle Beach in 92. Spent my last 2 years at Shaw and that's where I was informed that as a reserve officer that was prior enlisted, I had a choice of taking an early retirement or going back to being an E-5. At the time I chose the first option and started my 2d career...

286 karmic_inquisitor  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 3:17:43pm

Well guess what?

By the UN's own hand there is no statute of limitations on war crimes.

[Link: www1.umn.edu...]

If we are going to purify ourselves with the crucible of war crimes prosecutions and trials, then we had better act quickly.

The Americans who fought and won World War II are aging. Most (like my father) are octogenarians. I know from stories of my father's and his brothers that civilian dressed partisans assisting the Axis forces by attacking (or even spying on) US installations, positions and convoys were dealt with harshly.

Being beaten with a flashlight would have been merciful.

Certainly, if the left wants to be true to these new standards of universal justice and morality, they will need to put these war criminals in the dock and prosecute them for war crimes. If they don't, then we know their "morality" is only something that gets applied for political purposes - in which case anyone convicted of a war crime and imprisoned in such a selective application of a political standard is, by definition, a political prisoner.

Amnesty International - where are you?

287 3 wood  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 3:17:52pm

'Cash for Clunkers' Final Sales Tally: 700,000 New Cars

The popular Cash for Clunkers program generated nearly 700,000 new car sales during the past month, giving the U.S. auto industry a badly needed jolt of activity during the deepest decline in auto sales in two decades.

The government, releasing final data on the car incentives, said Wednesday that dealers submitted 690,114 sales totaling $2.88 billion, bringing the program to a close under its $3 billion budget. Japanese auto manufacturers led American companies in new car sales through the program, which ended late Monday.

Many dealers are still waiting to be repaid for the Cash for Clunkers incentives they gave car buyers and were allowed to submit paperwork seeking reimbursement until late Tuesday.

Despite the summertime frenzy at dealerships, analysts said the growth in auto sales may be short-lived.


I suspect that all we did was slide some cars sales forward a few months by giving away free money, plus get some more people to assume some consumer debt.

I sure hope sales do not fall way off in the next couple months, but I think they will.

288 Sharmuta  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 3:18:38pm

SC gov will stay after lt. gov asks him to quit

South Carolina Gov. Mark Sanford rebuffed his lieutenant governor's call to resign Wednesday, saying he will not be "railroaded" out of office and plans to finish the last 16 months of his term.

289 Shug  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 3:18:45pm

re: #287 3 wood

'Cash for Clunkers' Final Sales Tally: 700,000 New Cars


I suspect that all we did was slide some cars sales forward a few months by giving away free money, plus get some more people to assume some consumer debt.

I sure hope sales do not fall way off in the next couple months, but I think they will.

I wonder how many will default on their car loans?

290 Shug  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 3:19:04pm

re: #289 Shug

I wonder how many will default on their car loans?

The subprime car loan crisis?

291 [deleted]  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 3:19:18pm
292 Shug  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 3:19:42pm

re: #288 Sharmuta

SC gov will stay after lt. gov asks him to quit

Railroaded out of office is too slow. I hope he's flown out of office

293 UFO TOFU  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 3:20:38pm

re: #287 3 wood

It will be interesting to see how long before the dealers are reimbursed.

294 DrNaughty  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 3:20:56pm

re: #287 3 wood

'Cash for Clunkers' Final Sales Tally: 700,000 New Cars


I suspect that all we did was slide some cars sales forward a few months by giving away free money, plus get some more people to assume some consumer debt.

I sure hope sales do not fall way off in the next couple months, but I think they will.

I read an article on AT this morning that the people who got the C4C rebates are going to find them being taxed on that by the IRS

295 DrNaughty  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 3:21:29pm

re: #293 UFO TOFU

It will be interesting to see how long before the dealers are reimbursed.

Does the phrase "Cold day in Hell" ring a bell ?

296 Charles Johnson  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 3:21:31pm

The top links will auto-open again now...

297 Darth Vader Gargoyle  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 3:22:01pm

re: #294 DrNaughty

I read an article on AT this morning that the people who got the C4C rebates are going to find them being taxed on that by the IRS

Maybe they could tax them at 100% like they threatened with Bank Exec bonuses. That would be hilarious!

298 alegrias  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 3:22:07pm

re: #292 Shug

Railroaded out of office is too slow. I hope he's flown out of office

* * * *
Gov. Sanford:
At long last, sir, have you no decency?

Answer: In the age of John Edwards and others, chutzpah is all I've got.

299 Ben G. Hazi  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 3:22:21pm

re: #4 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Dominick Dunne, a best-selling author and special correspondent for Vanity Fair, died today at his home in Manhattan. He was 83.

First, Ted Kennedy, now Dominick Dunne...who's next in the Rule of Threes this week?

///

300 jcm  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 3:22:26pm

re: #287 3 wood

'Cash for Clunkers' Final Sales Tally: 700,000 New Cars


I suspect that all we did was slide some cars sales forward a few months by giving away free money, plus get some more people to assume some consumer debt.

I sure hope sales do not fall way off in the next couple months, but I think they will.

700,000 cars out 250,000,000 registered.
0.28% of the cars on the road.

That's gonna make a huge dent in emissions and national fuel use, all for a mere $3,000,000,000.00.

301 Shug  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 3:22:40pm

re: #299 talon_262

First, Ted Kennedy, now Dominick Dunne...who's next in the Rule of Threes this week?

///

Universal Healthcare

302 Sharmuta  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 3:23:21pm

12 Out Dated Tech Terms

303 DrNaughty  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 3:23:22pm

re: #301 Shug

Universal Healthcare

I believe the Democrats have already renamed it Kennedy Care

304 tradewind  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 3:23:30pm

In case this hasn't been posted... (haven't read up threads)... Rest in Peace, Dominick Dunne.
[Link: artsbeat.blogs.nytimes.com...]

305 3 wood  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 3:23:40pm

U.S. Economy: July Home Sales and Goods Orders Jump

Aug. 26 (Bloomberg) -- Purchases of new homes in the U.S. jumped more than forecast and demand for long-lasting goods such as autos and computers climbed, reinforcing signs the economy is rebounding from the worst recession since the 1930s.

Home sales increased 9.6 percent in July, the most in four years, to a 433,000 annual pace, figures from the Commerce Department showed today in Washington. Another report from the department indicated bookings for durable goods climbed 4.9 percent, also exceeding forecasts and the most since July 2007.

"Rebounding" is not the same as no longer melting down. I was mentioning last spring that by august or september the monthly numbers would start being compared to numbers from last year before that were awful, so would look good by comparison. So just bear that in mind as you hear about the economy "rebounding".

306 alegrias  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 3:23:51pm

re: #301 Shug

Universal Healthcare

* * * *
Also known as Hostile Healthcare takeover.

307 tradewind  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 3:23:52pm

/whoopsy/

308 Danny  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 3:23:52pm

Hmm...looks like I spoke too soon. LGF Spy froze about 50 messages ago.

309 yochanan  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 3:23:58pm

re: #299 talon_262

First, Ted Kennedy, now Dominick Dunne...who's next in the Rule of Threes this week?

///

are you doing requests?
///

just kidding folks.

310 yochanan  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 3:24:55pm

re: #305 3 wood

U.S. Economy: July Home Sales and Goods Orders Jump

"Rebounding" is not the same as no longer melting down. I was mentioning last spring that by august or september the monthly numbers would start being compared to numbers from last year before that were awful, so would look good by comparison. So just bear that in mind as you hear about the economy "rebounding".

DEAD CAT BOUNCE

311 Kragarghazi  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 3:25:05pm

re: #302 Sharmuta

12 Out Dated Tech Terms

Considering we have major projects revolving around 3 of those terms, they're not quite that outdated yet.

312 opnion  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 3:25:24pm

Apparently Pelosi didn't have the decency to wait for 24 hours before politicizing Senator Kennedy's death.
She made a statement to the effect that Kennedy's dream of health reform will now become a reality.

313 UFO TOFU  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 3:25:30pm

re: #295 DrNaughty

Here in CA if you buy a new school bus, it has to use alternative fuel. Since that vehicle is considerably more expensive to purchase and operate, AQMD awards you $60k buy down funding per vehicle. The last two buses I bought took 14 months to get reimbursed.

314 CapeCoddah  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 3:25:34pm

re: #299 talon_262

First, Ted Kennedy, now Dominick Dunne...who's next in the Rule of Threes this week?

///

Novak is the first this week.

315 Killian Bundy  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 3:26:03pm

Chris Matthews Designates Obama as a Kennedy: 'Barack Is Now the Last Brother'

MSNBC host Chris Matthews appeared three times on Wednesday’s Today show to lionize Sen. Ted Kennedy, and twice he promoted Barack Obama as the "last brother" of the Kennedy political tradition. He tried to clarify a little in his appearance in the 10 am hour: "I don’t mean that in an ethnic sense or a black sense. I mean a brother of the Kennedy tradition. And I think he’s the new brother, not that last brother."

/Obama needs to work on his IRA and KGB connections

316 [deleted]  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 3:26:08pm
317 alegrias  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 3:26:23pm

re: #305 3 wood

U.S. Economy: July Home Sales and Goods Orders Jump

"Rebounding" is not the same as no longer melting down. I was mentioning last spring that by august or september the monthly numbers would start being compared to numbers from last year before that were awful, so would look good by comparison. So just bear that in mind as you hear about the economy "rebounding".

* * * *
For some reason, this year we're supposed to feel good that unemployment is "only" 9.4%?

318 CyanSnowHawk  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 3:26:41pm

re: #294 DrNaughty

I read an article on AT this morning that the people who got the C4C rebates are going to find them being taxed on that by the IRS

And how will they manage that? It was handled like a trade-in, so maybe it was one-sided in some (probably most) cases in that the vehicles were not actually worth the trade-in value, but are they going to try to tax on the value over what the trade-in was worth?

319 Shug  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 3:26:51pm

re: #315 Killian Bundy

Chris Matthews Designates Obama as a Kennedy: 'Barack Is Now the Last Brother'


/Obama needs to work on his IRA and KGB connections


The Beer Summit was a good start.

320 tradewind  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 3:27:22pm

re: #305 3 wood

Wouldn't it be better for the economy to have the backlog of existing inventory show a rise in sales rather than new home starts being up, as has been reported?
Asking, not asserting.

321 JamesTKirk  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 3:27:27pm

re: #315 Killian Bundy

/Obama needs to work on his IRA and KGB connections

I had forgotten about the IRA connections until I was reminded of them a couple of hours ago by someone in Ireland. That person, at least, did not seem to mourn Teddy much.

322 MJ  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 3:27:53pm

Veteran US writer Dominick Dunne dies at 83

Published: 08.27.09, 00:44 / Israel News

Veteran American author and journalist Dominick Dunne died of cancer in New York on Wednesday, his long-time employer Vanity Fair magazine said.

Dunne, who was 83, joined Vanity Fair in 1984 and covered such high-profile stories as the O.J. Simpson trial and the impeachment of President Bill Clinton. (Reuters)

323 Cato the Elder  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 3:28:05pm

re: #312 opnion

Apparently Pelosi didn't have the decency to wait for 24 hours before politicizing Senator Kennedy's death.
She made a statement to the effect that Kennedy's dream of health reform will now become a reality.

He would want her to say that.

Lying about him for political gain would be something else. We'll see.

324 JamesTKirk  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 3:28:09pm

re: #317 alegrias

* * * *
For some reason, this year we're supposed to feel good that unemployment is "only" 9.4%?

It could be worse! If the stimulus hadn't passed, it would be all the way up to 8%!!

//new math?

325 Shug  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 3:28:20pm

anydoby see these signs saying that the road construction you are encountering are from PUTTING AMERICA BACK TO WORK or some such bullshit.

I wonder how much money was pissed away to advertise to drivers that road construction was paid for by tax dollars.

326 Kragarghazi  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 3:28:37pm

re: #315 Killian Bundy

Chris Matthews Designates Obama as a Kennedy: 'Barack Is Now the Last Brother'


/Obama needs to work on his IRA and KGB connections

Note to self: Never accept a ride home from Obama

327 alegrias  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 3:28:42pm

re: #312 opnion

Apparently Pelosi didn't have the decency to wait for 24 hours before politicizing Senator Kennedy's death.
She made a statement to the effect that Kennedy's dream of health reform will now become a reality.

* * * *
Decency? It was always the plan to give credit to Kennedy, in whose offices the PHARMA, AMA and AARP and other unnamed parties plotted this 1000+ travesty.

328 DrNaughty  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 3:28:58pm

re: #325 Shug

anydoby see these signs saying that the road construction you are encountering are from PUTTING AMERICA BACK TO WORK or some such bullshit.

I wonder how much money was pissed away to advertise to drivers that road construction was paid for by tax dollars.

Someone had to produce those signs and be paid for them

329 albusteve  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 3:29:12pm

my best friend for 45 years...going for the record...ex business partner and all around brother in spirit...you want LINKS?...here you go...
[Link: www.mlive.com...]

330 Shug  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 3:29:20pm

re: #328 DrNaughty

Someone had to produce those signs and be paid for them

no doubt an Obama donor

331 Dianna  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 3:29:39pm

Night, all.

332 opnion  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 3:29:47pm

re: #315 Killian Bundy

Chris Matthews Designates Obama as a Kennedy: 'Barack Is Now the Last Brother'


/Obama needs to work on his IRA and KGB connections

Mattews is such a twit. 'I don't mean it in an ethnic sense..."
There is a reason that nobody watches him.

333 yochanan  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 3:29:52pm

re: #325 Shug

WHO THE HELL ELSE WOULD PAY FOR IT BUT THE TAXPAYER.

334 tradewind  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 3:30:05pm

re: #323 Cato the Elder

My niece who works on the Hill said today that Senator Kennedy's staff put out the request for an appointment at the urging of Pelosi and company when they realized that he was in the last few days of his life, not that it came directly from TK.
So typical.

335 debutaunt  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 3:30:11pm

re: #287 3 wood

'Cash for Clunkers' Final Sales Tally: 700,000 New Cars


I suspect that all we did was slide some cars sales forward a few months by giving away free money, plus get some more people to assume some consumer debt.

I sure hope sales do not fall way off in the next couple months, but I think they will.

re: #303 DrNaughty

I believe the Democrats have already renamed it Kennedy Care

I wonder how many dealers will be hurt when they aren't fully reimbursed for the cars.

336 Sharmuta  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 3:30:15pm

re: #325 Shug

anydoby

I don't know about Doby, but my house elf hasn't seen any. ;)

337 Digital Display  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 3:30:16pm

re: #331 Dianna

Night, all.

Good night..Be well

338 alegrias  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 3:30:50pm

re: #315 Killian Bundy

Chris Matthews Designates Obama as a Kennedy: 'Barack Is Now the Last Brother'

* * * *
Chris Matthews is surely a bigger & more pathetic "clown" than the former rodeo clown whose ratings are off the charts compared to Matthews.

339 Killgore Trout  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 3:30:52pm

Sanford: I Won't Be 'Railroaded' Out of Office

Youtube Video
340 Cato the Elder  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 3:31:14pm

re: #333 yochanan

WHO THE HELL ELSE WOULD PAY FOR IT BUT THE TAXPAYER.

Glenn...is that you?

341 JamesTKirk  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 3:31:19pm

re: #328 DrNaughty

Someone had to produce those signs and be paid for them

The same company mass-producing the pro-Obama signs showing up at Town Hall meetings and being used to bash people in wheelchairs?

342 midwestgak  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 3:31:53pm

re: #316 buzzsawmonkey

Second, such tax breaks--like "rebates"--are usually scams of some sort.

I agree. Several years I bought a prepaid phone for $100 with a promised 100% rebate. I sent in the required receipts and everything else that was required, so I thought.

I received a post card in the mail stating I would not receive the rebate because I did not provide 1 item out of the 18 required. Live and learn.

Shoot, now I mad all over again.

343 Cato the Elder  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 3:31:58pm

re: #339 Killgore Trout

Sanford: I Won't Be 'Railroaded' Out of Office

Good. We need our hypocrites.

344 tradewind  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 3:32:01pm

re: #335 debutaunt

No worries, Cash for Refrigerators is gonna pick up the slack.
Not a joke.
Well, not entirely...

345 yochanan  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 3:32:04pm

who has the link for 'cash for codgers'?

346 Sharmuta  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 3:32:08pm

re: #339 Killgore Trout

Sanford: I Won't Be 'Railroaded' Out of Office

[Video]

Perhaps he'd prefer to be hiked naked out of office. Secretly flown to Argentina'd out of office?

347 SixDegrees  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 3:32:15pm

re: #312 opnion

Apparently Pelosi didn't have the decency to wait for 24 hours before politicizing Senator Kennedy's death.
She made a statement to the effect that Kennedy's dream of health reform will now become a reality.

The deficit numbers released by the WH and CBO make it look more like a national nightmare. There is absolutely no way the country can afford to increase the size of government by this staggering amount, even if it wanted to.

348 sngnsgt  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 3:32:17pm

re: #302 Sharmuta

Is "the inter-tubes" still acceptable?

349 alegrias  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 3:32:23pm

re: #324 JamesTKirk

It could be worse! If the stimulus hadn't passed, it would be all the way up to 8%!!

//new math?

* * * *
You'll always have a job in this Washington DC town! Quick learner you are at the new math!

350 Cato the Elder  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 3:32:28pm

re: #345 yochanan

who has the link for 'cash for codgers'?

Palin.

351 DrNaughty  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 3:32:42pm

re: #347 SixDegrees

The deficit numbers released by the WH and CBO make it look more like a national nightmare. There is absolutely no way the country can afford to increase the size of government by this staggering amount, even if it wanted to.

The country doesn't. The Democrats do...

352 CyanSnowHawk  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 3:32:52pm

re: #348 sngnsgt

Is "the inter-tubes" still acceptable?

Downloaded out of office?

353 Killgore Trout  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 3:33:04pm

re: #343 Cato the Elder

Good. We need our hypocrites.

He's cashing the checks.

354 callahan23  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 3:33:17pm

re: #325 Shug

anydoby see these signs saying that the road construction you are encountering are from PUTTING AMERICA BACK TO WORK or some such bullshit.

I wonder how much money was pissed away to advertise to drivers that road construction was paid for by tax dollars.

I always asked myself that very same question when driving in piss-poor Ethiopia. Every once in a while you see an advertisement that said that 'Menschen für Menschen' or 'World Vision' did construct or helped to finance this or that project.
Waste of money that could've been used better.

355 opnion  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 3:33:26pm

re: #323 Cato the Elder

He would want her to say that.

Lying about him for political gain would be something else. We'll see.

I just think that she should have given it some time. Teddy's death though tragic on a human level is no reason to pass the Health Reform package.
I have little doubt that the Dems will be shameless in the exploitation.

356 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 3:33:41pm

re: #329 albusteve

By the way, I sent you an email just now. I haven't forgot. I'm leaving soon for Cirque, but you get back to me when you can. Ya know?

357 Digital Display  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 3:33:46pm

re: #339 Killgore Trout

Sanford: I Won't Be 'Railroaded' Out of Office

[Video]

Maybe a cute girl from Argentina will do the trick...Private jet..Chocolate covered Strawberries..Don't sell him short
/

358 sngnsgt  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 3:33:50pm

re: #352 CyanSnowHawk

Downloaded out of office?

Dial-up. ;-)

359 yochanan  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 3:34:15pm

re: #350 Cato the Elder

i asked a straight question cato you can re insert your head were it doesn't see the light.

360 alegrias  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 3:34:19pm

re: #325 Shug

anydoby see these signs saying that the road construction you are encountering are from PUTTING AMERICA BACK TO WORK or some such bullshit.

I wonder how much money was pissed away to advertise to drivers that road construction was paid for by tax dollars.

* * * *
Those expensive road signs paid by stimulus funds are meant to give your dull life "hope & change" good feelings while you sit in traffic & get later & later to your destination.

361 JamesTKirk  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 3:34:22pm

re: #357 HoosierHoops

Maybe a cute girl from Argentina will do the trick...Private jet..Chocolate covered Strawberries..Don't sell him short
/

I've seen cute girls from Argentina.

He won't be "short".

362 Mich-again  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 3:34:26pm

re: #329 albusteve

my best friend for 45 years...going for the record...ex business partner and all around brother in spirit...you want LINKS?...here you go...
[Link: www.mlive.com...]

Awesome story. Now that takes some serious perseverance. Wow.

One question, About how many beers per link?

363 jcm  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 3:34:27pm

re: #344 tradewind

No worries, Cash for Refrigerators is gonna pick up the slack.
Not a joke.
Well, not entirely...

Is the recently defeat William "Cold Cash" Jefferson going to be the Cooler Czar?

364 Killian Bundy  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 3:34:36pm

re: #334 tradewind

My niece who works on the Hill said today that Senator Kennedy's staff put out the request for an appointment at the urging of Pelosi and company when they realized that he was in the last few days of his life, not that it came directly from TK.
So typical.

Teddy was totally out of it in his final days.

/he couldn't even take a phone call from Obama

365 tradewind  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 3:34:53pm

re: #345 yochanan

That's part of the health care plan, a rider stuck onto the end-of-life counseling provision. Incentivizing, you might say...

366 DrNaughty  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 3:35:06pm

re: #361 JamesTKirk

I've seen cute girls from Argentina.

He won't be "short".

Hot women are all around the world.

367 Oldasdirt  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 3:35:17pm

A Democrat breaks out windows at Denver DNC,,and tries to blame Conservatives.

368 UFO TOFU  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 3:35:19pm

re: #342 midwestgak

What's a "gak"?

369 JamesTKirk  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 3:35:25pm

re: #364 Killian Bundy

Teddy was totally out of it in his final days.

/he couldn't even take a phone call from Obama

Was Obama calling him with end of life counselling?

370 JamesTKirk  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 3:35:36pm

re: #367 Oldasdirt

A Democrat breaks out windows at Denver DNC,,and tries to blame Conservatives.

SSDD

371 Sharmuta  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 3:36:03pm

Sanford should be secretly removed from office while his staffers are left in the dark wondering about his location.

372 [deleted]  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 3:36:06pm
373 tradewind  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 3:36:27pm

re: #360 alegrias

We're getting stimulus money for Graceland down heah!!
Not a joke. Sadly.

374 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 3:36:30pm

"The dog don't like you planting stuff there. It's his backyard. If you're the only one who shits in something, you own it. Remember that."

375 opnion  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 3:36:34pm

re: #327 alegrias

* * * *
Decency? It was always the plan to give credit to Kennedy, in whose offices the PHARMA, AMA and AARP and other unnamed parties plotted this 1000+ travesty.


I think that the Dems are really going to go the route of "Teddy would want it" to try to guilt the opponents.
I don't think that it will work, since the Senator was not universally loved & admired.

376 CyanSnowHawk  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 3:36:42pm

re: #371 Sharmuta

LMAO

377 gregb  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 3:36:46pm

re: #27 HoosierHoops

I'll bet we could sell a shit load of Tee-shirts...Personally a LGF coffee cup would rock...

Zazzle...
Image: zazzle-lgf.jpg

378 yochanan  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 3:36:53pm

re: #361 JamesTKirk

I've seen cute girls from Argentina.

He won't be "short".

are you sure they are women?

379 Shug  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 3:37:09pm

Muslim woman to file suit against Wayne County judge who ordered head scarf removed

The Michigan Chapter of the Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR-MI) will join her in the lawsuit against judge J. William Callahan to be filed today.

In a partial video of the hearing posted to YouTube, Judge Callahan can be heard saying, "Okay. The head piece? No hats allowed in the court room."

Her face was visible. Not too smart on the judges part, but the comment cracked me up.
No hats allowed. heh

380 DrNaughty  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 3:37:11pm

re: #371 Sharmuta

Sanford should be secretly removed from office while his staffers are left in the dark wondering about his location.

Given the high level of Bible Thumpers in South Carolina (I'm a USC Grad), i am really suprised he hasn't been tossed out by now...

381 SixDegrees  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 3:37:16pm

re: #351 DrNaughty

The country doesn't. The Democrats do...

Even the Dems can't ignore deficits this enormous. They are completely unmanageable. I would look for them to begin quietly shelving their plans, at least for the moment, rename the package "insurance reform" and pass some new, fairly minor regulations affecting the insurance industry.

382 Sharmuta  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 3:37:31pm

re: #374 Slumbering Behemoth

I joined Twitter last night just for shitmydadsays.

383 callahan23  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 3:37:37pm

re: #368 UFO TOFU

What's a "gak"?

A gal - just miss spelled.

384 alegrias  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 3:38:29pm

re: #344 tradewind

No worries, Cash for Refrigerators is gonna pick up the slack.
Not a joke.
Well, not entirely...

* * * *
Now you're talking!

Why wouldn't it be a good thing, in the case of public utilities encouraging you to replace truly old energy hogging refrigerators with better appliances, if they then need build fewer power plants and lessen their power load?

385 Digital Display  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 3:38:53pm

re: #382 Sharmuta

I joined Twitter last night just for shitmydadsays.

Thank God for twitter...Did you know Megan Fox had tuna for lunch today?
/

386 DrNaughty  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 3:39:02pm

re: #381 SixDegrees

Even the Dems can't ignore deficits this enormous. They are completely unmanageable. I would look for them to begin quietly shelving their plans, at least for the moment, rename the package "insurance reform" and pass some new, fairly minor regulations affecting the insurance industry.

A Conservative Democrat these days is rare...

387 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 3:39:02pm

re: #382 Sharmuta

It's the only Twitter page worth following.

388 tradewind  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 3:39:28pm

re: #380 DrNaughty

Those bible thumpers are big on hating sin, but they also dearly love a redemption story. The sincerity of his mea culpa is going to be the factor there, I bet.
That is, unless lots more stuff involving state money comes tumbling down on him, in which case bets are off.

389 Cato the Elder  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 3:39:31pm

re: #359 yochanan

i asked a straight question cato you can re insert your head were it doesn't see the light.

Palin would know. It's the kind of thing she finds cute, funny and acceptable politics.

390 midwestgak  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 3:39:41pm

re: #368 UFO TOFU

What's a "gak"?

All things will be revealved to you when the time is right./

391 JamesTKirk  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 3:39:49pm

re: #382 Sharmuta

I joined Twitter last night just for shitmydadsays.

No Twitter, no Facebook; it's amazing the amount of BS out there that people get tied up in.

392 tradewind  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 3:40:05pm

re: #384 alegrias

Well there ya go. I knew there had to be a reason for it.
I'm heading for the SubZero outlet tomorrow.
//

393 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 3:40:05pm

re: #385 HoosierHoops

Thank God for twitter...Did you know Megan Fox had tuna for lunch today?
/

Really... David Copperfield got fooled around 11:13am.

394 DrNaughty  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 3:40:13pm

re: #387 Slumbering Behemoth

It's the only Twitter page worth following.

Do I have a mental block or is it strange that I don't feel the need to post every minute detail of my life on a twitter page ?

395 opnion  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 3:40:33pm

re: #385 HoosierHoops

Thank God for twitter...Did you know Megan Fox had tuna for lunch today?
/

Was it packed in oil or water? Very important piece of information.

396 yochanan  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 3:40:58pm

cato enough of your palin crap your getting very old and tired.

397 alegrias  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 3:41:04pm

re: #367 Oldasdirt

A Democrat breaks out windows at Denver DNC,,and tries to blame Conservatives.

* * * *
On the democrat payroll, while vandalizing his own party's party.

Nice use of taxpayer's contributions.

398 SixDegrees  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 3:41:19pm

re: #386 DrNaughty

A Conservative Democrat these days is rare...

There are enough to derail the current bill, if it comes to that. I'm betting such a defeat would be too embarrassing for the Dems, and they'll retool to a much smaller package that can pass without infighting, giving them a "victory" and a possibility to revisit more grandiose plans at a later date.

399 Charles Johnson  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 3:41:20pm

I haven't had any more spinning wheel hang-ups since posting this. Anyone else?

400 tradewind  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 3:41:26pm

re: #389 Cato the Elder

(and... judging from your preoccupation with her, it's the kind of thing you dream about).
Just saying.
//

401 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 3:41:27pm

re: #394 DrNaughty

Do I have a mental block or is it strange that I don't feel the need to post every minute detail of my life on a twitter page ?

I can't understand it. It would be like someone posted something on LGF every time they do something.

BBIAB - got some laundry to do.

402 JamesTKirk  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 3:41:44pm

re: #396 yochanan

cato enough of your palin crap your getting very old and tired.

Every time I ring a bell, he insults Palin. It's uncanny.

403 midwestgak  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 3:41:55pm

re: #383 callahan23

A gal - just miss spelled.

{callahn) You remembered.

404 Sharmuta  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 3:41:56pm

re: #391 JamesTKirk

No Twitter, no Facebook; it's amazing the amount of BS out there that people get tied up in.

I don't intend to tweet, but this was too funny to not follow:

"The dog is not bored, it's a fucking dog. It's not like he's waiting for me to give him a fucking rubix cube. He's a god damned dog."

405 tradewind  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 3:41:59pm

re: #395 opnion

I want to know if it was dolphin-safe, screw the package.

406 Shug  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 3:42:04pm

re: #399 Charles

Nope

407 albusteve  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 3:42:14pm

re: #356 Walter L. Newton

By the way, I sent you an email just now. I haven't forgot. I'm leaving soon for Cirque, but you get back to me when you can. Ya know?

will do...and thanks

408 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 3:42:17pm

re: #394 DrNaughty

Do I have a mental block or is it strange that I don't feel the need to post every minute detail of my life on a twitter page ?

It's not about that. Shit My Dad Says if fucking hilarious.

And he probably makes much more sense than anything on Palin's Twitter page.

409 Mich-again  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 3:42:17pm

re: #384 alegrias

Why wouldn't it be a good thing, in the case of public utilities encouraging you to replace truly old energy hogging refrigerators with better appliances, if they then need build fewer power plants and lessen their power load?

Why not just get all those people to get rid of the 2nd refrigerator they keep in the garage just for their stupid beer.

/ just kidding

410 JamesTKirk  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 3:42:17pm

re: #399 Charles

I haven't had any more spinning wheel hang-ups since posting this. Anyone else?

Nope. Everything's quick and functional here.

411 [deleted]  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 3:42:20pm
412 yochanan  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 3:42:27pm

re: #400 tradewind

i think it would be a 'wet dream'

413 Oldasdirt  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 3:42:42pm

re: #397 alegrias

* * * *
On the democrat payroll, while vandalizing his own party's party.

Nice use of taxpayer's contributions.

And he will probably be bailed out with tax payer money as well.

414 tradewind  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 3:42:47pm

re: #399 Charles

Thank you thank you thank you thank you.
I was sure it was me.

And no.

415 callahan23  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 3:42:52pm

re: #403 midwestgak

{callahn) You remembered.

Sure do. ;-)
{midwestgak}

416 jcm  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 3:43:02pm

re: #405 tradewind

I want to know if it was dolphin-safe, screw the package.

Of course the dolphin is safe to eat...

417 opnion  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 3:43:17pm

re: #405 tradewind

I want to know if it was dolphin-safe, screw the package.

Right! That's even more important.

418 JamesTKirk  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 3:43:19pm

I'm outta here.

Looking forward to seeing the footballs flying even faster later.

419 karmic_inquisitor  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 3:43:23pm

re: #394 DrNaughty

Do I have a mental block or is it strange that I don't feel the need to post every minute detail of my life on a twitter page ?

Something is seriously wrong with you.

On another topic, I am looking into what color speedo to buy for next summer. I will update as soon as I decide.
/

420 albusteve  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 3:43:28pm

re: #362 Mich-again

Awesome story. Now that takes some serious perseverance. Wow.

One question, About how many beers per link?

he got married and she said no more booze...he's never touched another drop, not one drop...my man

421 Digital Display  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 3:43:50pm

re: #393 Walter L. Newton

Really... David Copperfield got fooled around 11:13am.

He is in so much crap...Have you seen the legal brief on him? He will probably pay her off and dismiss the charges...(Can i say that? Mr.Copperfield has serious legal charges facing him)

422 Sharmuta  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 3:43:56pm

re: #408 Slumbering Behemoth

It's not about that. Shit My Dad Says if fucking hilarious.

And he probably makes much more sense than anything on Palin's Twitter page.

I read every tweet last night, and re-reading them again this afternoon- I am laughing all over again.

423 [deleted]  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 3:44:06pm
424 Cato the Elder  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 3:44:16pm

re: #396 yochanan

cato enough of your palin crap your getting very old and tired.

I'm young and full of energy, thank you. Never felt better!

And I'll drop Palin when she ceases to be a political factor. Do I ask you guys to lay off anyone who's in the news?

425 alegrias  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 3:44:59pm

Charles Krauthammer says Ted Kennedy was the most important senator since...wow, nice accolades.

426 FrogMarch  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 3:45:00pm

After reading this, someone please explain to me how democrats are "good people".
Because I don't understand. They seem like despots to me.

427 CyanSnowHawk  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 3:46:41pm

re: #425 alegrias

wow, nice accolades.

Is that another word for tits?

428 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 3:46:51pm

re: #422 Sharmuta

I may have to take the plunge and sign in myself. I can't imagine growing up with a dad that says that kind of stuff and not peeing myself with laughter all the time.

429 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 3:47:18pm

re: #423 buzzsawmonkey

I lost the combination to my dolphin safe. I hope they're all right in there.

IIRC, there was great concern during the French Revolution regarding whether the dolphin was safe or not.

430 alegrias  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 3:47:19pm

Another contribution Ted Kennedy made. By challenging a sitting president, Jimmy Carter, he made it easier for us to elect Ronald Reagan in 1980. For that, I thank him. Per William Kristol on Fox News Panel with Charles Krauthammer.

431 Sharmuta  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 3:47:28pm

re: #428 Slumbering Behemoth

I may have to take the plunge and sign in myself. I can't imagine growing up with a dad that says that kind of stuff and not peeing myself with laughter all the time.

You'd be outside with the dog.

432 opnion  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 3:47:57pm

re: #426 FrogMarch

After reading this, someone please explain to me how democrats are "good people".
Because I don't understand. They seem like despots to me.

The Democrat party has become very dangerous to the health of a free society. JFK would not recogize it.

433 CyanSnowHawk  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 3:48:35pm

re: #430 alegrias

Another contribution Ted Kennedy made. By challenging a sitting president, Jimmy Carter, he made it easier for us to elect Ronald Reagan in 1980. For that, I thank him. Per William Kristol on Fox News Panel with Charles Krauthammer.

Would Carter have had a chance with the party united behind him?

434 DrNaughty  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 3:48:53pm

re: #432 opnion

The Democrat party has become very dangerous to the health of a free society. JFK would not recogize it.

He would have been Liebermaned..

435 albusteve  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 3:48:58pm

re: #424 Cato the Elder

I'm young and full of energy, thank you. Never felt better!

And I'll drop Palin when she ceases to be a political factor. Do I ask you guys to lay off anyone who's in the news?

Cato the Redundant...post away, but remember...when Palin is nobody, she's taking you with her!

436 tradewind  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 3:49:15pm

re: #425 alegrias

You can't disagree that he was a very important senator. And a real workhorse once he shed the presidential ambition and the other baggage.
I didn't agree with much of anything he worked for, but he worked hard, and he was sincere. Sincerely wrong, IMO, but still, heartfelt, and evidently a great friend without respect to politics. His name is associated with over three hundred pieces of legislation, and that has got to be some kind of record, or near it.

437 [deleted]  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 3:49:17pm
438 FrogMarch  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 3:49:35pm

re: #432 opnion

The Democrat party has become very dangerous to the health of a free society. JFK would not recognize it.

True, that.

439 karmic_inquisitor  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 3:49:49pm

re: #424 Cato the Elder

I'm young and full of energy, thank you. Never felt better!

And I'll drop Palin when she ceases to be a political factor. Do I ask you guys to lay off anyone who's in the news?

His name is Barack Obama.

440 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 3:49:50pm

Chris Matthew's comment has to be one of the stupidest things said by a human being with a pulse.

Ted Kennedy was the last Kennedy brother. She didn't give birth to any more.

You can use Kennedy-esque if you so fancy, but that's as far as it goes.

441 alegrias  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 3:49:59pm

OK, off to boring condo association meeting to present committee report. This democratic self-government sucks! It's so community organized.

442 opnion  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 3:50:09pm

re: #434 DrNaughty

He would have been Liebermaned..

I think so. Bobby & Teddy were always to the Left of Jack.

443 CyanSnowHawk  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 3:50:35pm

re: #439 karmic_inquisitor

His name is Barack Obama.

And he's here to save the day!

444 opnion  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 3:51:17pm

See ya.

445 jcm  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 3:51:32pm

re: #437 buzzsawmonkey

Yes; he was spotted dauphin his hat to a young lady, but managed to escape nonetheless.

Who would the Dauphin need to escape? the young lady would have been pleased, her father on the other hand...

446 [deleted]  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 3:51:43pm
447 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 3:51:52pm

re: #437 buzzsawmonkey

Yes; he was spotted dauphin his hat to a young lady, but managed to escape nonetheless.

Who spotted him?
Did monks in Robespierre at him?

448 tradewind  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 3:51:53pm

re: #438 FrogMarch

JFK would have been perfectly at home in the Republican party of Reagan.
Too bad the Democrats lost the 'rising tide lifts all boats ' credo and settled for ' lets all jump in the sinking ship, women and children first '.

449 Killian Bundy  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 3:51:53pm

Man Plows "Say No to Obama" Into Texas Field

A Lubbock man took out his frustrations with the Obama health care plan recently by plowing his protest into a field of weeds. The plan could cost taxpayers trillions of dollars over the next several years, MSNBC reports.

Sam Bates, a former art teacher cut down some weeds and left a large message visible from the sky: “Say no to Obama!”

"I thought, maybe some pilots flying from here to Dallas would get a good chuckle," Bates said.

But with the Internet and television, the message has reached far more than the few pilots and birds he expected. Bates had a friend help him put aerial photos of the field online, sending the images to people around the world.

/let's see Pelosi try and spin this as astroturfing

450 DrNaughty  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 3:51:58pm

re: #441 alegrias

OK, off to boring condo association meeting to present committee report. This democratic self-government sucks! It's so community organized.

Hopefully there will be some free food and drink at the meeting

451 alegrias  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 3:52:00pm

re: #436 tradewind

You can't disagree that he was a very important senator. And a real workhorse once he shed the presidential ambition and the other baggage.
I didn't agree with much of anything he worked for, but he worked hard, and he was sincere. Sincerely wrong, IMO, but still, heartfelt, and evidently a great friend without respect to politics. His name is associated with over three hundred pieces of legislation, and that has got to be some kind of record, or near it.

* * * *
Charles Krauthammer gave Kennedy nice accolades though he said Kennedy went too far beyond remedies and into reverse affirmative action, Borking, etc.

452 karmic_inquisitor  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 3:52:11pm

re: #443 CyanSnowHawk

And he's here to save the day!

Andy Kaufman image just flashed through my head ...

453 yochanan  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 3:52:16pm

re: #442 opnion

I think so. Bobby & Teddy were always to the Left of Jack.

JFK was POTUS when the donks were still internationalists in a good way THEY DID NOT BECOME DEFEATISTS UNTIL VIET NAM.

454 itellu3times  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 3:52:48pm

re: #399 Charles

I haven't had any more spinning wheel hang-ups since posting this. Anyone else?

I think not.

Had one or two that took a little time and got me worried, but under ten seconds and did come thru.

455 unrealizedviewpoint  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 3:52:50pm

re: #402 JamesTKirk

Every time I ring a bell, he insults Palin. It's uncanny.

I suspect he's much like a child with a secret crush on the little girl in class in front of him, dipping her hair into ink the wells.

456 tradewind  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 3:52:55pm

re: #451 alegrias

He is too recently deceased for me to comment on what he did to Robert Bork.

457 unrealizedviewpoint  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 3:53:17pm

re: #455 unrealizedviewpoint

the ink
sheesh

458 [deleted]  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 3:53:59pm
459 alegrias  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 3:53:59pm

re: #450 DrNaughty

Hopefully there will be some free food and drink at the meeting

* * *
Only at the annual meeting, to entice owners to show up.

Last month this bastard board banned alcohol consumption at out pool! Darn them. Can't wait to vote them out of office.

460 CyanSnowHawk  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 3:54:26pm

re: #452 karmic_inquisitor

Andy Kaufman image just flashed through my head ...

I remember that bit. I was thinking of the Jib-Jab video that I can't get the link to from work, however.

461 DrNaughty  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 3:54:33pm

Kirsten Powers has just reaffirmed by belief that she's an airhead

462 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 3:55:00pm

re: #445 jcm

Who would the Dauphin need to escape? the young lady would have been pleased, her father on the other hand...

He could have been trying to escape HER.

/btw, this is one heckuva flick

463 itellu3times  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 3:55:10pm

re: #320 tradewind

Wouldn't it be better for the economy to have the backlog of existing inventory show a rise in sales rather than new home starts being up, as has been reported?
Asking, not asserting.

I suppose they'll say the starts show rising confidence and continued improvement downstream, as opposed to sales that are just a current snapshot. One adds new value, the other just moves stuff around. But of course, we'd prefer both!

464 Oldasdirt  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 3:55:10pm

re: #456 tradewind

He is too recently deceased for me to comment on what he did to Robert Bork.

DITTO!

465 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 3:56:23pm

re: #446 buzzsawmonkey

BTW, pBM, I really appreciated your response to the first appearance of the "Prufrock" piece. I re-posted it yestereve, but you weren't around.

Prufrock?
Senity has set in. I THINK I know what you mean, but ...

466 alegrias  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 3:56:52pm

re: #456 tradewind

He is too recently deceased for me to comment on what he did to Robert Bork.

* * * *
I was quoting or paraphrasing Charles Krauthammer's comments about Kennedy's speech against Bork which begat "BORKING", the politics of personal destruction.

467 itellu3times  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 3:57:43pm

re: #194 SixDegrees

I've heard bad things about FF 3.5, too, although I haven't upgraded yet so I don't know how true they are. Quality control is another thing that tends to suffer on open source projects once the original instigators move on.

oooh, you said something bad about open source, fifty lashes with a wet noodle for u!

468 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 3:58:40pm

re: #458 buzzsawmonkey

He would have had to escape the fishes assassins of the Reign of Terror.

But perhaps he could be saved by that reformed whore-monger, the notorious pimp o' Nell.

469 [deleted]  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 3:59:25pm
470 Cato the Elder  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 3:59:32pm

Can anyone tell me about what needs to be done after using a powder-type fire extinguisher? (Dry chemical, the classification is G-B-C, "contains Plus-Fifty dry chemical". Ancient. Worked.)

Cleanup, safety, food (do I need to throw away anything it touched, or can I just wash it off?)...?

471 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 4:00:04pm

re: #469 buzzsawmonkey

I was referring to this.

HOO HAH!
*grin*
YES!

472 tradewind  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 4:00:49pm

re: #470 Cato the Elder

If it was Halon, don't breathe . I had a case of chemical asthma for a year after i had to use one in an enclosed space.
Decontaminate.

473 [deleted]  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 4:01:05pm
474 Racer X  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 4:01:19pm

re: #449 Killian Bundy

Man Plows "Say No to Obama" Into Texas Field

/let's see Pelosi try and spin this as astroturfing

Weedbagger!

475 Shug  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 4:02:11pm

re: #439 karmic_inquisitor

His name is Barack Obama Barry Sotero.

according to his Kenyan -Indonesian birth certificate
/

476 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 4:03:27pm

re: #470 Cato the Elder

Can anyone tell me about what needs to be done after using a powder-type fire extinguisher? (Dry chemical, the classification is G-B-C, "contains Plus-Fifty dry chemical". Ancient. Worked.)

Cleanup, safety, food (do I need to throw away anything it touched, or can I just wash it off?)...?

I don't know, but I once heard from those who do that clean-up is to be undertaken VERY seriously, with meticulous care, etc. (I was on a fire district board for a decade.)

477 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 4:04:18pm

re: #473 buzzsawmonkey

This is one of those times where, having written it, I can't get the damn thing out of my head.

You are doomed!

478 Ben G. Hazi  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 4:08:03pm

re: #314 CapeCoddah

Novak is the first this week.

Damn, that's right...I guess the Rule of Threes has been satisfied for this week.

479 tradewind  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 4:08:16pm

re: #470 Cato the Elder

If it is really old, it probably has a mix of sodium and potassium chloride or sodium bicarb and maybe some halon.
Wash anything washable, wet down what you can, leave the area, and toss any thing that might be consumed or handled by children that you can't clean.
Seriously, I coughed for a year. Finally diagnosed as chemical asthma, which I had never heard of, but the doctor was right when he asked about fire extinguishers. Good news is it went away.

480 itellu3times  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 4:08:45pm

re: #470 Cato the Elder

Can anyone tell me about what needs to be done after using a powder-type fire extinguisher? (Dry chemical, the classification is G-B-C, "contains Plus-Fifty dry chemical". Ancient. Worked.)

Cleanup, safety, food (do I need to throw away anything it touched, or can I just wash it off?)...?

I don't believe it's all that toxic, just clean stuff off, and if you got it all over your sandwich I'd toss that.

YMMV

481 UFO TOFU  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 4:08:49pm

re: #470 Cato the Elder

I don't think I'd be too concerned. We have a guy come out and recharge 30 to 40 of ours each year and he doesn't even wear gloves.

482 tradewind  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 4:09:04pm

re: #478 talon_262

Don Hewitt died the 19th.

483 itellu3times  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 4:10:32pm

re: #482 tradewind

Don Hewitt died the 19th.

In the last few days:

Don Hewitt, CBS 60 minutes
Louis Rosen, Manhattan Project
Stanley Kaplan, exam prep courses
Ted Kennedy
Ellie Greenwich, wrote “Da Doo Ron Ron”
Dominick Dunne, journalist

484 tradewind  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 4:13:01pm

re: #481 UFO TOFU


It's not the toxicity of touching it, it's more a breathing it in thing. Still, wouldn't want to eat it.

485 gregb  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 4:14:39pm

re: #385 HoosierHoops

Thank God for twitter...Did you know Megan Fox had tuna for lunch today?
/

That's like the Shania tuna story in the movie, I heart huckabees.

486 ~Fianna  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 4:19:38pm

re: #311 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Considering we have major projects revolving around 3 of those terms, they're not quite that outdated yet.

Same here.

487 Bagua  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 4:20:48pm

re: #454 itellu3times

I think not.

Had one or two that took a little time and got me worried, but under ten seconds and did come thru.

So far the threads update much faster on my machine.

488 Ben G. Hazi  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 4:25:09pm

re: #482 tradewind

Don Hewitt died the 19th.

Well, that was last week though...

489 drogheda  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 4:28:30pm

re: #470 Cato the Elder

Can anyone tell me about what needs to be done after using a powder-type fire extinguisher? (Dry chemical, the classification is G-B-C, "contains Plus-Fifty dry chemical". Ancient. Worked.)

Cleanup, safety, food (do I need to throw away anything it touched, or can I just wash it off?)...?

It appears Plus-Fifty is primarily sodium bicarbonate, talc, and Fuller's earth. Non-toxic, non-corrosive. Wouldn't advise inhaling large amounts of it (or any powders for that matter.)

Just vacuum it up / wash it away and you should be fine.

490 Darth Vader Gargoyle  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 5:03:52pm

re: #440 EmmmieG

Chris Matthew's comment has to be one of the stupidest things said by a human being with a pulse.

Ted Kennedy was the last Kennedy brother. She didn't give birth to any more.

You can use Kennedy-esque if you so fancy, but that's as far as it goes.

Now wait a minute. This could explain his missing birth certificate!
///

491 MandyManners  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 6:39:32pm

re: #284 JamesTKirk

Never met him.

As for any decency I may or may not have -- that's a matter of some debate.

Don't ask MandyManners.

*screaming with laughter*


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