Video: What Henry Hudson Saw

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Science • Wed Aug 26, 2009 at 6:07 pm PDT • Views: 854

National Geographic strips away the skyscrapers, the traffic, and the humans, and visualizes the island of Manhattan in the early years of the 17th century.

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1 Crimsonfisted  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 6:10:40pm

I love NY. The whole state.

2 Sharmuta  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 6:12:13pm

Very cool.

3 unrealizedviewpoint  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 6:12:21pm

Boy, we sure messed up that pristine island.
/

4 [deleted]  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 6:12:39pm
5 Pickles  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 6:12:47pm

That is way cool Charles.

6 Drogheda  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 6:13:09pm

re: #3 unrealizedviewpoint

Boy, we sure messed up that pristine island.
/

That's OK. I hear it didn't cost much.

7 JammieWearingFool  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 6:13:51pm

Finally. Video of the first homeless squeegee guy.

8 Crimsonfisted  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 6:15:04pm

Much of upstate NY actually still looks similar to those visualizations.

9 ryannon  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 6:15:10pm

That's not the New York I knew...

10 JammieWearingFool  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 6:15:25pm

I must admit as a native it was much more peaceful before Al Sharpton and his bullhorn showed up.

11 [deleted]  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 6:16:00pm
12 lawhawk  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 6:16:07pm

Here's an even more interesting analysis - and interactive maps. What most people think of Manhattan didn't even exist 400 years ago. The shoreline was hundreds or thousands of feet from where it is now. We've expanded the shore in ways large and small.

Most recently, that includes the Battery Park City along the Hudson River in Lower Manhattan. It was built upon the ground excavated in the course of the construction of the World Trade Center.

13 albusteve  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 6:17:37pm

Manhattan is the most refabricated piece of real estate in America...a complete overhaul

14 Killgore Trout  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 6:17:51pm

..and so it will be again someday.

15 ryannon  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 6:18:04pm

re: #12 lawhawk

Here's an even more interesting analysis - and interactive maps. What most people think of Manhattan didn't even exist 400 years ago. The shoreline was hundreds or thousands of feet from where it is now. We've expanded the shore in ways large and small.

Most recently, that includes the Battery Park City along the Hudson River in Lower Manhattan. It was built upon the ground excavated in the course of the construction of the World Trade Center.


Manhattan is in a constant state of erection, as it were...

16 ryannon  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 6:19:23pm

re: #14 Killgore Trout

..and so it will be again someday.


Link?

/

17 Sharmuta  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 6:19:33pm

re: #12 lawhawk

That map was really cool- thanks for sharing it.

18 albusteve  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 6:20:22pm

re: #14 Killgore Trout

..and so it will be again someday.

the commie socialists will turn it back into a beaver pond...GREEN!

19 Bob Dillon  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 6:20:34pm

re: #3 unrealizedviewpoint

Boy, we sure messed up that pristine island.
/

Reminded me of the "clear cut" and "Spotted Owl" wars of the 80s over on the left coast.

Someone made a poster of this shot from space showing the small brown patches on the Olympic Peninsula that were the clear cut areas and then made reference to the far right of the picture - across Puget Sound and how it was done "right" on the Seattle side - Clearcut and Paved!

Image: olympic.gif

20 ryannon  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 6:20:58pm

First upding at comment N°...?

21 Crimsonfisted  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 6:21:25pm

re: #20 ryannon 4 and 12

22 SasquatchOnSteroids  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 6:21:55pm

I dated this fine young 'not too bright but right' thing, too long ago, who said "hmmm" when I asked her what the English must have thought of the Chesapeake Bay when they first crossed the bay bridge as we were going over it.

Shaddup and let me f*** ya.
/yeah, it's mean.

23 The Curmudgeon  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 6:22:17pm

I wonder how many people really think it was "better" before we arrived.

24 yochanan  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 6:23:12pm

Jerusalem was a jewish capital when Washington, d.c., London, & Paris were swamps.

25 Bobblehead  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 6:23:17pm

re: #11 buzzsawmonkey

The Squeegeetonic Indians were native to Manhattan.

As were the Shamwowhawks.

26 Charles Johnson  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 6:23:23pm

There seem to be a number of "conservatives" enraged at me because I wouldn't allow bashing of Ted Kennedy on the day of his death, and I would like to take this opportunity to release a statement on this matter:

Bite me.

27 ggt  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 6:24:03pm

One thing I think is so kewl is that the expansion started almost immediately. Humans had the ability to extend the shoreline way back when.

Hey Lizards!

28 Sharmuta  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 6:24:50pm

re: #27 ggt

The Dutch were masters of this, and likely brought it to New Amsterdam.

29 ryannon  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 6:25:06pm

re: #23 The Curmudgeon

I wonder how many people really think it was "better" before we arrived.

I wonder how many people really think it was "better" after we arrived.

30 jamgarr  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 6:25:55pm

re: #26 Charles

I never upding the lizardly master - but that was too funny!

31 lawhawk  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 6:26:00pm

Another interesting fact about Manhattan. Some of the oldest parts of the island of Manhattan will be part of the newest - the excavations making up the 3d Water Tunnel, the 7 line extension and 2d Avenue Subway lines will all expose some of the oldest rocks under Manhattan - and will form the basis of the most modern infrastructure in the City.

32 Crimsonfisted  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 6:27:24pm

re: #28 Sharmuta

The Dutch were masters of this, and likely brought it to New Amsterdam.

Dutch. Masters. hmmm, you might be on to something.

33 ted  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 6:27:33pm

re: #26 Charles

There seem to be a number of "conservatives" enraged at me because I wouldn't allow bashing of Ted Kennedy on the day of his death, and I would like to take this opportunity to release a statement on this matter:

Bite me.

Me too...

34 albusteve  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 6:28:07pm

re: #28 Sharmuta

The Dutch were masters of this, and likely brought it to New Amsterdam.

it's an incredible story really, and I can't find any links...the island has been totally remade...watersheds removed, lowlands filled, high spots taken down, shoreline radically changed...all that

35 unrealizedviewpoint  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 6:28:15pm

re: #23 The Curmudgeon

I wonder how many people really think it was "better" before we arrived.

That is how they expect us to leave it.

36 yochanan  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 6:28:25pm

re: #12 lawhawk

Here's an even more interesting analysis - and interactive maps. What most people think of Manhattan didn't even exist 400 years ago. The shoreline was hundreds or thousands of feet from where it is now. We've expanded the shore in ways large and small.

Most recently, that includes the Battery Park City along the Hudson River in Lower Manhattan. It was built upon the ground excavated in the course of the construction of the World Trade Center.

PROBLEM with land fill is if you have a earthquake is that it almost turns into a liquid as is what happened in the parts of San Fran that were made out of land fill. the biggist Earthquake in America was the one that hit new madrid fault. so when it happens again Chicagostan might have some problems because much of the lake front is also built on landfill.

37 Bobblehead  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 6:29:01pm

re: #31 lawhawk

Another interesting fact about Manhattan. Some of the oldest parts of the island of Manhattan will be part of the newest - the excavations making up the 3d Water Tunnel, the 7 line extension and 2d Avenue Subway lines will all expose some of the oldest rocks under Manhattan - and will form the basis of the most modern infrastructure in the City.

The city under the city.

38 ggt  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 6:29:15pm

I saw some show a while back in which archaeologists were digging in Manhattan. Anything in America seems so relatively (to things in Egypt) new to me, I couldn't imagine why they were digging. What they found in the old landfills that make-up much of what is under Manhattan was fascinating.

39 [deleted]  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 6:29:31pm
40 MandyManners  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 6:29:31pm

What would Hudson think if he came forward in time? Would he go back in time and give it back to the natives? Or, would he marvel at man's mastery?

41 yochanan  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 6:30:02pm

re: #26 Charles

I don't speak ill of the dead so if I can't say something positive it is best to say nothing.

42 [deleted]  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 6:30:25pm
43 sngnsgt  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 6:30:29pm

re: #39 buzzsawmonkey

You mean Washington isn't a swamp?

Excellent observation.

44 yochanan  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 6:30:33pm

re: #39 buzzsawmonkey

the state dept sill is a swamp.

45 Erik The Red  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 6:31:17pm

re: #26 Charles

There seem to be a number of "conservatives" enraged at me because I wouldn't allow bashing of Ted Kennedy on the day of his death, and I would like to take this opportunity to release a statement on this matter:

Bite me.

Dislike the man. No Problem
Hate his policies. No Problem
Disrespect the man in death. BIG Problem

He had his beliefs on what he thought was right for this country. I did not agree with them. This does not make me glad he died.

RIP. Teddy.

46 Bobblehead  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 6:31:35pm

re: #42 buzzsawmonkey

Good sleepies to all.

Don't let the bugs bite.

47 MandyManners  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 6:31:39pm

re: #26 Charles

There seem to be a number of "conservatives" enraged at me because I wouldn't allow bashing of Ted Kennedy on the day of his death, and I would like to take this opportunity to release a statement on this matter:

Bite me.

People can be assholes no matter which way they swing politically.

48 JamesTKirk  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 6:31:47pm

re: #40 MandyManners

What would Hudson think if he came forward in time? Would he go back in time and give it back to the natives? Or, would he marvel at man's mastery?

Are you talking dirty again?

49 ted  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 6:32:07pm

You would never believe you were in NYC:

[Link: www.forgotten-ny.com...]

50 jcm  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 6:32:13pm

re: #39 buzzsawmonkey

You mean Washington isn't a swamp?

The then and now picture of DC would look the same, stagnant water, pond scum, swamp gas...

51 MandyManners  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 6:32:25pm

re: #42 buzzsawmonkey

Good sleepies to all.

Nighty-night! Don't let the bed bugs bite!

52 jcm  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 6:32:44pm

re: #47 MandyManners

People can be assholes no matter which way they swing politically.

You mean dicks don't you?

*ducks*

53 MandyManners  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 6:32:44pm

re: #48 JamesTKirk

Are you talking dirty again?

*face-palm*

54 Bobblehead  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 6:32:52pm

re: #40 MandyManners

What would Hudson think if he came forward in time? Would he go back in time and give it back to the natives? Or, would he marvel at man's mastery?

I have to believe those brave explorers would marvel at our mastery.

55 MandyManners  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 6:33:07pm

re: #52 jcm

You mean dicks don't you?

*ducks*

*face-palm*

56 DEZes  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 6:33:28pm

See, we had change before Obama.

57 jcm  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 6:33:39pm

re: #55 MandyManners

*face-palm*

ROFLMAO!

58 MandyManners  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 6:33:47pm

re: #54 Bobblehead

I have to believe those brave explorers would marvel at our mastery.

Put them down in Times Square during Dinkins' tenure.

59 Bobblehead  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 6:34:02pm

re: #56 DEZes

See, we had change before Obama.

Heresy!

60 Sharmuta  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 6:34:15pm

re: #54 Bobblehead

I have to believe those brave explorers would marvel at our mastery.

I think they would be frightened and confused- like Unfrozen Caveman Lawyer.

61 lawhawk  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 6:34:22pm

re: #39 buzzsawmonkey

You mean Washington isn't a swamp?

Actually... it's now a swimming pool of corruption... they graduated from swamp under the current Administration.

62 MandyManners  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 6:34:25pm

re: #50 jcm

The then and now picture of DC would look the same, stagnant water, pond scum, swamp gas...

Two-legged vermin.

63 MandyManners  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 6:34:42pm

re: #46 Bobblehead

Don't let the bugs bite.

ACK!

64 wiffersnapper  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 6:34:49pm

Wait, where are the dinosaurs?

;)

65 LGoPs  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 6:34:53pm

I thought I saw Bernie Madoff skulking there collecting beads and wampum from the Indians...
/

66 JamesTKirk  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 6:35:01pm

re: #53 MandyManners

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

67 unrealizedviewpoint  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 6:35:21pm

I know how angry and cheated I feel when terrible things are said about conservative leaders I look up to pass on. I certainly don't want to provide for anyone that same feeling regardless their ideology. Let's not forget:

“Ideologies separate us. Dreams and anguish bring us together.” ---Eugene Ionesco

68 DEZes  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 6:35:34pm

re: #59 Bobblehead

Heresy!

I hate it when that happens.

69 MandyManners  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 6:35:47pm

re: #54 Bobblehead

I have to believe those brave explorers would marvel at our mastery.

Put him at the top of the WTC before 9-11. Or, at Macy's any day.

70 Erik The Red  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 6:36:15pm

re: #56 DEZes

Hey DEZes, do you have a FB account. If you do shoot me an email and I will send you my details to add as a friend. My nic is blue.

71 SasquatchOnSteroids  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 6:36:37pm

re: #56 DEZes

See, we had change before Obama.

Obama bowel movement.

Hope Floats.

72 MandyManners  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 6:37:08pm

re: #65 LGoPs

I thought I saw Bernie Madoff skulking there collecting beads and wampum from the Indians...
/

A totem scheme?

73 mikalm  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 6:37:16pm

re: #36 yochanan

The San Francisco landfill started during the Gold Rush, when ships were abandoned as soon as they docked at the harbor, and left to rot. Every time they dig around the area east of Montgomery Street, they unearth old timbers and refuse from the mid-19th century.

Of course, since I work in a highrise office right in the middle of the landfill zone, I'm not exactly looking forward to the next Big One...

74 MandyManners  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 6:37:32pm

re: #72 MandyManners

A totem scheme?

Okay. That's from across the continent. But, still.

75 DEZes  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 6:37:45pm

re: #64 wiffersnapper

Wait, where are the dinosaurs?

;)

In the park, Jurassic park that is, take your furs off, stay awhile, you all come back now. ya hear.

76 Lucius Septimius  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 6:37:54pm

That's pretty freakin' cool.

77 ted  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 6:38:14pm

re: #58 MandyManners

Put them down in Times Square during Dinkins' tenure.

Ah...The good old days of my wasted youth:

78 DEZes  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 6:38:29pm

re: #71 SasquatchOnSteroids

Obama bowel movement.

Hope Floats.

Then why do I have this sinking feeling?
///

79 CommonCents  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 6:38:51pm

re: #54 Bobblehead

I have to believe those brave explorers would marvel at our mastery.

When they see that we've walked on the moon they would marvel. When they see images beamed back from Mars and that we've satellites to orbit Jupiter and other planets, and the images from Hubble, I think they would wet themselves.

80 Erik The Red  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 6:38:55pm

re: #70 Erik The Red

Hey DEZes, do you have a FB account. If you do shoot me an email and I will send you my details to add as a friend. My nic is blue.

Same for you SasquatchOnSteroids and Cal23 if you are still around.

81 SasquatchOnSteroids  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 6:39:32pm

re: #78 DEZes

Then why do I have this sinking feeling?
///

Because it's all being flushed away.

82 Lucius Septimius  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 6:39:44pm

Even at the time of the Revolution, New York city didn't extend much beyond Wall Street. Haarlem (as it was still spelled) was a village up north aways. And the Bowery was just that -- a farm (that's what the Dutch word means).

During the Revolution Washington fought a running battle through the woods, farms, and swamps of Manhattan Island. Hard to believe that nowadays.

83 albusteve  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 6:39:44pm

for me, not saying derogatory things about the deceased is proprietary on the forum...this is a public forum and courtesy should prevail, let alone the owner has to ask people to be civil...that alone is reason enough to cool it...there is no problem here that I see

84 MandyManners  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 6:39:54pm

re: #66 JamesTKirk

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

I left a note for you.

85 jcm  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 6:40:02pm

re: #65 LGoPs

I thought I saw Bernie Madoff skulking there collecting beads and wampum from the Indians...
/

Not far wrong...

The name Manhattan ("hilly island" or possibly "place of intoxication") is from the Algonquian languages of the earliest known inhabitants of the area. Legend has it that the island was purchased from the natives for $24 in beads and other such trinkets. Explorers however, paid the wrong tribe, who were glad to accept money for an island that wasn't even theirs.
86 DEZes  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 6:40:10pm

re: #70 Erik The Red

Hey DEZes, do you have a FB account. If you do shoot me an email and I will send you my details to add as a friend. My nic is blue.

FB?
Fat Bastard?

87 mikalm  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 6:40:10pm

I wonder if someone's going to do a similar animation for pre-Cabrillo Los Angeles. That might have even more amazing contrasts.

88 SasquatchOnSteroids  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 6:40:28pm

re: #80 Erik The Red

I don't do the FB thingie, but can I e-mail ya ?

89 MandyManners  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 6:40:38pm

re: #64 wiffersnapper

Wait, where are the dinosaurs?

;)

Ben Franklin's ancestors are tending them in the Olde World.

90 DEZes  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 6:40:52pm

re: #81 SasquatchOnSteroids

Because it's all being flushed away.

Just my luck, my lifeboat is a turd.

91 Lucius Septimius  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 6:41:10pm

Just got home from Oldest Boy's football practice. The sound of clashing shoulder pads -- sounds like Fall is finally on it's way.

He's playing nose tackle this year.

92 mikalm  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 6:41:55pm

re: #85 jcm

Or as I often put it, "New York originated with a scam."

93 Cato the Elder  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 6:42:16pm

re: #91 Lucius Septimius

Just got home from Oldest Boy's football practice. The sound of clashing shoulder pads -- sounds like Fall is finally on it's way.

He's playing nose tackle this year.

The Fall of the Mighty!

94 DEZes  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 6:42:23pm

re: #91 Lucius Septimius

Just got home from Oldest Boy's football practice. The sound of clashing shoulder pads -- sounds like Fall is finally on it's way.

He's playing nose tackle this year.

Nose tackle?
what the bugger is that?

95 Erik The Red  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 6:42:34pm

re: #86 DEZes

FB?
Fat Bastard?

ROTFLMAO. FaceBook.

96 albusteve  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 6:42:39pm

re: #91 Lucius Septimius

Just got home from Oldest Boy's football practice. The sound of clashing shoulder pads -- sounds like Fall is finally on it's way.

He's playing nose tackle this year.

YES!
high school football rules dood...
I went through all of it...enjoy!

97 JamesTKirk  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 6:42:39pm

re: #84 MandyManners

I left a note for you.

Thank you. :)

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

199, 200, 206, 207

98 CommonCents  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 6:42:57pm

re: #85 jcm

who were glad to accept money for an island that wasn't even theirs.

Thus was born the Democrat party.

99 Erik The Red  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 6:43:06pm

re: #88 SasquatchOnSteroids

I don't do the FB thingie, but can I e-mail ya ?

That would be great.

100 Bobblehead  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 6:43:24pm

re: #60 Sharmuta

I think they would be frightened and confused- like Unfrozen Caveman Lawyer.

Perhaps until they got their bearings. Obviously they had imagination and vision or they wouldn't have gone exploring. I think it would be much harder for a 21st century man or woman to be plunked down in 17th century Europe.

101 Lucius Septimius  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 6:43:40pm

re: #94 DEZes

Nose tackle?
what the bugger is that?

Center of the defensive line.

A while back he figured out that if you play offense, people hit you. If you play defense, you get to hit them.

102 DEZes  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 6:43:43pm

re: #95 Erik The Red

ROTFLMAO. FaceBook.

I have no facebook account, but my nic is blue, grab mt email addy.

103 MandyManners  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 6:43:50pm

re: #77 ted

Ah...The good old days of my wasted youth:

Youtube Video

There is an article in a recent issue of Vanity Fair about the longings for those days.

104 SasquatchOnSteroids  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 6:44:11pm

re: #91 Lucius Septimius

Just got home from Oldest Boy's football practice. The sound of clashing shoulder pads -- sounds like Fall is finally on it's way.

He's playing nose tackle this year.

Must be a big'n.

105 Erik The Red  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 6:44:19pm

A few years after I was born, my Dad met a stranger who was new to our small Texas town. From the beginning, Dad was fascinated with this enchanting newcomer and soon invited him to live with our family. The stranger was quickly accepted and was around from then on.

As I grew up, I never questioned his place in my family. In my young mind, he had a special niche. My parents were complementary instructors: Mom taught me good from evil, and Dad taught me to obey. But the stranger...he was our storyteller. He would keep us spellbound for hours on end with adventures, mysteries and comedies.
If I wanted to know anything about politics, history or science, he always knew the answers about the past, understood the present and even seemed able to predict the future! He took my family to the first major league ball game. He made me laugh, and he made me cry. The stranger never stopped talking, but Dad didn't seem to mind.

Sometimes, Mom would get up quietly while the rest of us were shushing each other to listen to what he had to say, and she would go to the kitchen for peace and quiet. (I wonder now if she ever prayed for the stranger to leave.)

Dad ruled our household with certain moral convictions, but the stranger never felt obligated to honor them. Profanity, for example, was not allowed in our home... Not from us, our friends or any visitors. Our longtime visitor, however, got away with four-letter words that burned my ears and made my dad squirm and my mother blush. My Dad didn't permit the liberal use of alcohol. But the stranger encouraged us to try it on a regular basis. He made cigarettes look cool, cigars manly and pipes distinguished.
He talked freely (much too freely!) about sex. His comments were sometimes blatant, sometimes suggestive, and generally embarrassing.

I now know that my early concepts about relationships were influenced strongly by the stranger. Time after time, he opposed the values of my parents, yet he was seldom rebuked... And NEVER asked to leave.

More than fifty years have passed since the stranger moved in with our family. He has blended right in and is not nearly as fascinating as he was at first. Still, if you could walk into my parents' den today, you would still find him sitting over in his corner, waiting for someone to listen to him talk and watch him draw his pictures.


His name?... .. .

We just call him 'TV.'

(Note: This should be required reading for every household!)
He has a wife now...We call her 'Computer.'
Their first child is "Cell Phone".
Second child "I Pod "

106 jcm  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 6:44:20pm

re: #100 Bobblehead

Perhaps until they got their bearings. Obviously they had imagination and vision or they wouldn't have gone exploring. I think it would be much harder for a 21st century man or woman to be plunked down in 17th century Europe.

Hell we have people 'round here get lost in woods with a GPS just a few miles from a freeway...

107 albusteve  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 6:44:29pm

God invented football...He must have...
then television...there is a larger plan

108 ted  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 6:45:05pm

re: #103 MandyManners

There is an article in a recent issue of Vanity Fair about the longings for those days.

Thx Mandy...I'll check it out.

109 Lucius Septimius  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 6:45:26pm

re: #104 SasquatchOnSteroids

Must be a big'n.

No, not at all. But he's scrappy and knows how to block and how to open holes.

110 Lucius Septimius  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 6:45:48pm

re: #107 albusteve

God invented football...He must have...
then television...there is a larger plan

And beer -- don't forget beer ...

111 SasquatchOnSteroids  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 6:46:22pm

re: #99 Erik The Red

Cool, I'll get to it after comp finishes its work.

112 Erik The Red  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 6:46:31pm

re: #110 Lucius Septimius

And beer -- don't forget beer ...

Don't forget the chips and dips.

113 Lucius Septimius  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 6:47:05pm

re: #112 Erik The Red

Don't forget the chips and dips.

And on the sixth day ... the remote.

114 garycooper  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 6:47:45pm

That moose in Times Square looked a little horny...

115 Erik The Red  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 6:47:54pm

Simple Analogy

An economics professor at a local college made a statement that he had never failed a single student before but had once failed an entire class.

That class had insisted that socialism worked and that no one would be poor and no one would be rich, a great equalizer.

The professor then said, "OK, we will have an experiment in this class on socialism. All grades would be averaged and everyone would receive the same grade so no one would fail and no one would receive an A.


After the first test, the grades were averaged and everyone got a B.

The students who studied hard were upset and the students who studied little were happy.

As the second test rolled around, the students who studied little had studied even less and the ones who studied hard decided they wanted a free ride too so they studied little.

The second test average was a D! No one was happy.

When the 3rd test rolled around, the average was an F.


The scores never increased as bickering, blame and name-calling all resulted in hard feelings and no one would study for the benefit of anyone else.

All failed, to their great surprise, and the professor told them that socialism would also ultimately fail because when the reward is great, the effort to succeed is great but when government takes all the reward away, no one will try or want to succeed.


It could not be any simpler than that.

116 MandyManners  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 6:48:00pm

re: #97 JamesTKirk

Thank you. :)

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

199, 200, 206, 207

I'll read it when I can. My mom just dropped off The Kid from church and I gotta' tend to him.

BBIAB

117 Danny  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 6:48:05pm

re: #26 Charles

There seem to be a number of "conservatives" enraged at me because I wouldn't allow bashing of Ted Kennedy on the day of his death, and I would like to take this opportunity to release a statement on this matter:

Bite me.

I can wait. To bash Kennedy, I mean, not to bite you. Dang, that didn't come out right.

118 DEZes  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 6:48:12pm

I just realized that with my nic blue, it matches something else I have.

119 CapeCoddah  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 6:48:36pm

Hey everyone, how are you all doing tonight??

120 albusteve  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 6:48:41pm

God has his shit together...eh?
thanks Big Guy

121 Mich-again  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 6:50:21pm

What, no hot dog vendors?

122 The Shadow Do  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 6:50:21pm

Cool video. I get it. Bulldoze the city and turn it all into a national park.

We can relocate the folks to Sioux City Iowa.

123 Lucius Septimius  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 6:50:24pm

re: #114 garycooper

That moose in Times Square looked a little horny...

He took in one of the shows, I gather.

124 Sharmuta  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 6:50:42pm

re: #118 DEZes

I just realized that with my nic blue, it matches something else I have.

Um...

125 Lucius Septimius  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 6:50:53pm

re: #121 Mich-again

What, no hot dog vendors?

Pemmican.

126 Mich-again  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 6:51:07pm

re: #122 The Shadow Do

It didn't look bulldozed to me.

127 CommonCents  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 6:51:13pm

re: #118 DEZes

I just realized that with my nic blue, it matches something else I have.

Been busy?

128 Lucius Septimius  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 6:51:15pm

re: #124 Sharmuta

Um...

Best not to ask; you really don't want to know.

129 Sharmuta  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 6:52:03pm

re: #128 Lucius Septimius

That's what I'm thinking.

130 DEZes  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 6:52:04pm

re: #128 Lucius Septimius

Best not to ask; you really don't want to know.

Exactly. ;)

131 albusteve  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 6:52:09pm

re: #122 The Shadow Do

Cool video. I get it. Bulldoze the city and turn it all into a national park.

We can relocate the folks to Sioux City Iowa.

is there a BB King's in Sioux City?

132 BostonTurtle  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 6:52:13pm

hi everyone I am a friend of CapeCoddah.

133 CapeCoddah  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 6:52:55pm

Folks, I have a newbie with me. A friend came to visit last week, and saw me posting on here. She liked it, and caught an open reg a few days ago. She has never blogged before, so is truly a newbie. Turtle and I have been friends since 4th grade. Please welcome her, she asked me to introduce her. She is my oldest and dearest friend in the world!

134 HoosierHoops  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 6:52:59pm

re: #132 BostonTurtle

hi everyone I am a friend of CapeCoddah.

Very nice meeting you..Welcome

135 Bobblehead  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 6:53:35pm

re: #132 BostonTurtle

hi everyone I am a friend of CapeCoddah.

Greeting Turtle. Welcome aboard.

136 LGoPs  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 6:53:37pm

re: #132 BostonTurtle

hi everyone I am a friend of CapeCoddah.

Welcome

137 Lucius Septimius  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 6:53:40pm
138 albusteve  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 6:53:42pm

"see Wall St. Drug!"

139 jcm  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 6:54:11pm

re: #132 BostonTurtle

hi everyone I am a friend of CapeCoddah.

Welcome!

Clean up your shells, then it's your turn behind the bar to set up a round.

Let me guess, you're from Boston? ;-)

140 Lucius Septimius  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 6:54:18pm

re: #138 albusteve

"see Wall St. Drug!"

Free Ice Water!!!

141 CapeCoddah  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 6:54:19pm

We are having an LGF lesson by IM, on the side!

142 DEZes  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 6:54:33pm

re: #137 Lucius Septimius


I think they have creams for that.

Now you tell me. ;)

143 Erik The Red  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 6:54:33pm

re: #118 DEZes

I just realized that with my nic blue, it matches something else I have.

I am scared to even ask what. :)

144 BostonTurtle  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 6:54:38pm

thanks for introducing me CapeCoddah...

145 Killgore Trout  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 6:54:38pm

re: #133 CapeCoddah

I like Turtles

146 Danny  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 6:54:40pm

re: #132 BostonTurtle

Hey Boston Turtle! where you from?

147 DEZes  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 6:54:51pm

re: #143 Erik The Red

I am scared to even ask what. :)

My van.

148 Gitarzan  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 6:55:05pm

re: #26 Charles

There seem to be a number of "conservatives" enraged at me because I wouldn't allow bashing of Ted Kennedy on the day of his death, and I would like to take this opportunity to release a statement on this matter:

Bite me.

I heartily endorse your message, Mr. Johnson.

/"Brilliant!"

149 HoosierHoops  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 6:55:39pm

re: #146 Danny

Hey Boston Turtle! where you from?

Probably Texas...LOL

150 CapeCoddah  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 6:55:39pm

re: #144 BostonTurtle

thanks for introducing me CapeCoddah...

Anytime, BT

151 jcm  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 6:55:41pm

re: #146 Danny

Hey Boston Turtle! where you from?

Albuquerque?

152 VioletTiger  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 6:55:42pm

re: #132 BostonTurtle

hi everyone I am a friend of CapeCoddah.


Welcome.
Visiting Boston tomorrow--another business trip.

153 CapeCoddah  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 6:56:00pm

re: #149 HoosierHoops

Probably Texas...LOL

Damned, your good, HH

154 doubter4444  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 6:56:18pm

re: #12 lawhawk

Here's an even more interesting analysis - and interactive maps. What most people think of Manhattan didn't even exist 400 years ago. The shoreline was hundreds or thousands of feet from where it is now. We've expanded the shore in ways large and small.

Most recently, that includes the Battery Park City along the Hudson River in Lower Manhattan. It was built upon the ground excavated in the course of the construction of the World Trade Center.

There is a great old bar (established 1817) called the EAR Inn (the neon of the B in the word BAR burnt out decades ago and let it looking like an E) that has a a sign that marks where the shoreline was in 1820. The old docks were literally right outside from it.
It's in way west Soho, we'd go there after work and have a pint or 3.
Now the rivers edge is over a block away.
It's pretty fascinating to think of the changes taken place.

[Link: earinn.com...]

155 BostonTurtle  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 6:56:25pm

I am from Boston actually 5 miles north of Boston. I used to live near CapeCoddah.

156 Sharmuta  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 6:56:31pm

re: #132 BostonTurtle

hi everyone I am a friend of CapeCoddah.

Welcome to LGF!

157 albusteve  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 6:56:31pm

re: #140 Lucius Septimius

Free Ice Water!!!

'free souvenir $20 bills!'

158 Erik The Red  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 6:56:43pm

re: #133 CapeCoddah

Folks, I have a newbie with me. A friend came to visit last week, and saw me posting on here. She liked it, and caught an open reg a few days ago. She has never blogged before, so is truly a newbie. Turtle and I have been friends since 4th grade. Please welcome her, she asked me to introduce her. She is my oldest and dearest friend in the world!

Welcome Turtle. Don't be shy. We don't bite. subsup

159 Danny  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 6:56:53pm

re: #155 BostonTurtle

You're not near Winchester are you?

160 ggt  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 6:56:57pm

re: #82 Lucius Septimius

Even at the time of the Revolution, New York city didn't extend much beyond Wall Street. Haarlem (as it was still spelled) was a village up north aways. And the Bowery was just that -- a farm (that's what the Dutch word means).

During the Revolution Washington fought a running battle through the woods, farms, and swamps of Manhattan Island. Hard to believe that nowadays.

I reading the biography of Vanderbilt, I was amazed at the necessity for boats. We don't think of it today, but the only thing that really kept NY from growing was transportation. Vanderbilt addressed that.

Same with the Mississippi. Lots of formerly grand towns are nothing now. I am humbled when I realize how much people depended on the water for travel. I think of it as a barrier--needing to be bridged.

161 LGoPs  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 6:57:24pm

re: #155 BostonTurtle

I am from Boston actually 5 miles north of Boston. I used to live near CapeCoddah.

Nice to have you here. I'm from Los Angeles...

162 albusteve  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 6:57:27pm

re: #151 jcm

Albuquerque?

what?...make a wrong turn?

163 DEZes  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 6:57:39pm

re: #158 Erik The Red

Welcome Turtle. Don't be shy. We don't bite. subsup

What if we are dealing with a snapping turtle?

164 The Shadow Do  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 6:57:46pm

re: #131 albusteve

is there a BB King's in Sioux City?

Steve, Steve, Steve...there ain't shit in Sioux City sad to say.

But there could be!

165 BostonTurtle  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 6:57:52pm

I am from Malden just south of Winchester, Melrose , and Saugus

166 Danny  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 6:58:36pm

re: #165 BostonTurtle

Cool! My wife's uncle lives in Winchester. Very nice up that way.

167 DEZes  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 6:58:54pm

re: #165 BostonTurtle

I am from Malden just south of Winchester, Melrose , and Saugus

Welcome to the nut house.

168 Sharmuta  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 6:58:56pm

re: #164 The Shadow Do

Steve, Steve, Steve...there ain't shit in Sioux City sad to say.

But there could be!

There's the stench...

169 BostonTurtle  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 6:59:09pm

Don't worry I am not a snapping kind. More of a gentle kind!

170 Erik The Red  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 6:59:11pm

re: #163 DEZes

You have mail. :)

171 jcm  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 6:59:17pm

re: #162 albusteve

what?...make a wrong turn?

172 midwestgak  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 6:59:35pm

re: #132 BostonTurtle

hi everyone I am a friend of CapeCoddah.

Welcome BostonTurtle. btw, why did you chose your nic?

btw (mean by the way)

/ means you are being sarcastic.

And the + sign gives karma to the one you want to give it to. hint hint. :)

173 albusteve  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 6:59:40pm

re: #164 The Shadow Do

Steve, Steve, Steve...there ain't shit in Sioux City sad to say.

But there could be!

LIVE! from the HEARTLAND!
calling my broker as we speak

174 Killgore Trout  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 6:59:56pm

Video: Beck interviews Limbaugh on the threat to free speech

Exit question: Is Beck serious here when he talks about the White House using some sort of disaster as a pretext to impose emergency rule? We’re only seven months into The One’s term and already he’s right at the brink of Reichstag Fire scenarios?

Palin, Beck Limbaugh, Ron Paul and Alex Jones have unified into a juggernaut of stupidity.

175 DEZes  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 6:59:56pm

re: #170 Erik The Red

You have mail. :)

Probably another bill..
///

176 Bobblehead  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 7:00:14pm

re: #169 BostonTurtle

Don't worry I am not a snapping kind. More of a gentle kind!

Turtle,
You need an avatar. All the cool lizards have one.

177 Dancing along the light of day  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 7:00:27pm

re: #132 BostonTurtle

Welcome, BostonTurtle!

178 CapeCoddah  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 7:00:33pm

re: #172 midwestgak

Welcome BostonTurtle. btw, why did you chose your nic?

btw (mean by the way)

/ means you are being sarcastic.

And the + sign gives karma to the one you want to give it to. hint hint. :)

That is just plain shameless sucking up!!

179 SasquatchOnSteroids  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 7:00:36pm

re: #132 BostonTurtle

hi everyone I am a friend of CapeCoddah.

That's so much lovelier than some entrances we see.
You will know what I mean later on.

Welcome !

180 Buck  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 7:01:02pm

re: #26 Charles

Bite me.


Careful Charles, I know a few conservatives who would...

181 LGoPs  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 7:01:04pm

re: #172 midwestgak

Welcome BostonTurtle. btw, why did you chose your nic?

btw (mean by the way)

/ means you are being sarcastic.

And the + sign gives karma to the one you want to give it to. hint hint. :)

You are shameless...LOL
:)

182 BostonTurtle  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 7:01:05pm

I love the animal turtles because they are naturally shy and have a protective shell.

183 Gus  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 7:01:15pm

The Mannahatta Project

Explore

Click on explore to view different information on Manhattan from 1609.

184 CommonCents  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 7:01:26pm

re: #172 midwestgak

And the + sign gives karma to the one you want to give it to. hint hint. :)

beggar
/

185 jcm  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 7:01:28pm

re: #169 BostonTurtle

Don't worry I am not a snapping kind. More of a gentle kind!

The Turtle Stack always need more turtles!

186 Killgore Trout  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 7:01:31pm

re: #174 Killgore Trout

"They're building an army!"

187 CapeCoddah  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 7:01:35pm

re: #176 Bobblehead

Turtle,
You need an avatar. All the cool lizards have one.

LOL,, my avatar is a pic Turtle sent me... I just changed the wording a bit

188 lawhawk  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 7:01:43pm

re: #160 ggt

The single biggest change was the Brooklyn Bridge... linking the outer boroughs... and it brought about the urbanization of the City.

189 Danny  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 7:01:56pm

re: #182 BostonTurtle

Hey BT, do they allow fising in the Mystic Lakes?

190 Dancing along the light of day  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 7:02:04pm

re: #167 DEZes

Welcome to the nut house.

Speak for yourself!
;)

191 DEZes  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 7:02:14pm

re: #178 CapeCoddah

That is just plain shameless sucking up!!

Karma hoing, tis shameless.

192 albusteve  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 7:02:14pm

re: #171 jcm

Albuqoirkee...what a friggin wabbit...get out!

193 midwestgak  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 7:02:16pm

re: #149 HoosierHoops

Probably Texas...LOL

LOL {Hoosier} LOL

194 Killgore Trout  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 7:02:28pm

re: #186 Killgore Trout

"They'll seize power overnight!"

195 The Shadow Do  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 7:02:39pm

re: #168 Sharmuta

There's the stench...


That ain't shit your smellin', it's the slaughterhouses!

I did business there once upon a time. I witnessed a worker whose job it was to slam pigs heads on spikes on a conveyor. Interesting career!

196 Erik The Red  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 7:03:17pm

re: #182 BostonTurtle

I love the animal turtles because they are naturally shy and have a protective shell.

I like the video game.:) Man I wish I could find that game with today's graphics.

197 Cato the Elder  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 7:03:30pm

I just found out Bob Dylan is going to do a voiceover program for my GPS unit.

"Why, yes, I believe it can be easily done -
Just turn right down on Highway 61..."

198 scottishbuzzsaw  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 7:03:42pm

re: #182 BostonTurtle

I love the animal turtles because they are naturally shy and have a protective shell.

Welcome.

199 DEZes  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 7:03:47pm

re: #190 Floral Giraffe

Speak for yourself!
;)

Is my drool showing again?

200 BostonTurtle  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 7:03:50pm

yes i need a avatar...! How do I get one?

201 Tarkus289  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 7:04:17pm

I wish Magellan could see Google Earth.

202 CapeCoddah  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 7:04:31pm

re: #200 BostonTurtle

yes i need a avatar...! How do I get one?

Someone else will be much better at that explanation than me...

203 albusteve  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 7:04:45pm

re: #188 lawhawk

The single biggest change was the Brooklyn Bridge... linking the outer boroughs... and it brought about the urbanization of the City.

I've walked across'd it a coupla times...tres kool

204 orfannkyl  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 7:05:04pm

Neat video-- maybe NG should make a TV special

205 HoosierHoops  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 7:05:19pm

re: #169 BostonTurtle

Don't worry I am not a snapping kind. More of a gentle kind!

Don't be shy..You got introduced to blogging by a highly respected Blogger..
One night I was watching Blog wars 2 on the Sun Dance movie channel..
My very first post was at firedoglake.. I lost my blogging cherry to Jane...
My path over here was like a ping pong game...I knew where I wanted to go..Just didn't know how to get there...Don't let anybody give you no shit..Be true to yourself

206 DEZes  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 7:05:30pm

re: #200 BostonTurtle

yes i need a avatar...! How do I get one?

20 bucks, and I sell em cheaper than anyone else.
Just kidding.

207 Dancing along the light of day  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 7:05:44pm

re: #199 DEZes

Oops, I thought the foam was from your beer. My bad ;)

208 The Shadow Do  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 7:05:44pm

re: #197 Cato the Elder

I just found out Bob Dylan is going to do a voiceover program for my GPS unit.

"Why, yes, I believe it can be easily done -
Just turn right down on Highway 61..."

If you make a wrong turn you will hear "it's all over now, baby blue.."

209 Dr. Shalit  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 7:06:02pm

re: #3 unrealizedviewpoint

Yup, "WE" messed it up. IF "WE" hadn't - it would have been the North American analogue of NORTH KOREA - Pray Tell - what would YOU rather?
That is all.

-S-

210 DEZes  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 7:06:34pm

re: #207 Floral Giraffe

Oops, I thought the foam was from your beer. My bad ;)

I may be rabid.

211 BostonTurtle  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 7:06:49pm

I have no idea Danny, if they allowed fishing or not.

212 Danny  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 7:06:59pm

re: #200 BostonTurtle

Go to front page, click on "My Account" and log in. You can add an icon there.

213 Sharmuta  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 7:07:10pm

re: #174 Killgore Trout

Unbelievable. They really want me to think FEMA camps are coming.

214 snowcrash  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 7:07:22pm

re: #165 BostonTurtle
We have a lizard "sattTV" who grew up in that area. I am in TX now but originally from near Suffolk Downs. Welcome.

215 Cato the Elder  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 7:07:32pm

re: #208 The Shadow Do

If you make a wrong turn you will hear "it's all over now, baby blue.."

And when you get to your destination, it'll be "spend your time sleeping in on Desolation Row"!

LOL

216 [deleted]  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 7:07:34pm
217 Unakite  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 7:07:40pm

re: #64 wiffersnapper

Wait, where are the dinosaurs?

;)

Across the river, in NJ.

218 LGoPs  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 7:07:41pm

re: #179 SasquatchOnSteroids

That's so much lovelier than some entrances we see.
You will know what I mean later on.

Welcome !

Yeah, I seem to recall your entrance was pretty abominable...Yeti have trouble recalling the details now...
:)

219 Sharmuta  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 7:07:50pm

re: #186 Killgore Trout

"They're building an army!"

They're going to come and git yeh!

220 midwestgak  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 7:07:57pm

re: #178 CapeCoddah

That is just plain shameless sucking up!!

Just giving the turtle newbie a little extra skin. hee

222 The Shadow Do  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 7:08:51pm

re: #204 orfannkyl

Neat video-- maybe NG should make a TV special

What is up with "Life after People" and such like? Something kind of sick about fantasizing the demise of the human race, especilly when it is presented as such a pretty thing - witness video above.

223 DEZes  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 7:09:11pm

re: #218 LGoPs

Yeah, I seem to recall your entrance was pretty abominable...Yeti have trouble recalling the details now...
:)

You had to go put your big foot in your mouth again didn't you.

224 CommonCents  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 7:09:13pm

re: #212 Danny

Go to front page, click on "My Account" and log in. You can add an icon there.

You can also get to your account by clicking the football by your name on your last post. Login to your account and you can browse for an icon (avatar)

225 CapeCoddah  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 7:10:01pm

re: #220 midwestgak

Just giving the turtle newbie a little extra skin. hee

lol

226 3 wood  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 7:10:04pm

Good evening.
Feds: Stimulus money sent to 4,000 cons

One day after the Herald reported some surprised Bay State inmates - including murderers and rapists - were cashing in $250 stimulus checks, federal officials revealed the same behind-bars bonus was mailed to nearly 4,000 cons nationwide.

A federal watchdog is now probing how the cons were cut the checks. The same cash also may have been sent to fugitive felons, people kicked out of the country and even individuals now deceased.


Just project this same performance onto your health care.

227 Danny  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 7:10:12pm

re: #224 CommonCents

You can also get to your account by clicking the football by your name on your last post. Login to your account and you can browse for an icon (avatar)

Even better!

228 Ojoe  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 7:10:36pm

re: #222 The Shadow Do

Quite an affront to the Creator to have such a pissy view of human beings if you ask me.

Not that we are all perfect.

230 Erik The Red  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 7:10:57pm

A lawyer boarded an airplane in New Orleans with a box of frozen crabs and asked a blonde stewardess to take care of them for him. She took the box and promised to put it in the crew's refrigerator. He advised her that he was holding her personally responsible for them staying frozen, mentioning in a very haughty manner that he was a lawyer, and proceeded to rant at her about what would happen if she let them thaw out. Needless to say, she was annoyed by his behaviour.

Shortly before landing in New York , she used the intercom to announce
to the entire cabin, "Would the gentleman who gave me the crabs in New Orleans , please raise your hand?"

Not one hand went up ... so she took them home and ate them.

Two lessons here:
1. Lawyers aren't as smart as they think they are.
2. Blondes aren't as dumb as most folks think.

231 CapeCoddah  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 7:10:59pm

re: #223 DEZes

You had to go put your big foot in your mouth again didn't you.

you folks yipped for a long time about wanting a "Sasquatch" was it for those horrid puns??

232 albusteve  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 7:10:59pm

re: #222 The Shadow Do

What is up with "Life after People" and such like? Something kind of sick about fantasizing the demise of the human race, especilly when it is presented as such a pretty thing - witness video above.

defiance of the Green Revolt...you will be eating trapped sparrows until you starve to death

233 The Shadow Do  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 7:11:49pm

re: #215 Cato the Elder

And when you get to your destination, it'll be "spend your time sleeping in on Desolation Row"!

LOL

Just don't ask for diredtions...
That would be just like a woman!

234 CommonCents  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 7:11:51pm

re: #226 3 wood

3W, you seem to be on top of the economics. What do you make of the latest durable goods report with the big jump? Is that due to the bloated auto sales from the clunkers program so it's actually a fictional reading or is it legit?

235 LGoPs  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 7:11:56pm

Later lizards

236 Sharmuta  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 7:11:59pm

Rush is calling the Obama administration totalitarians on beck's tv show.

Un-fucking-believable.

237 CapeCoddah  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 7:12:10pm

re: #230 Erik The Red

A lawyer boarded an airplane in New Orleans with a box of frozen crabs and asked a blonde stewardess to take care of them for him. She took the box and promised to put it in the crew's refrigerator. He advised her that he was holding her personally responsible for them staying frozen, mentioning in a very haughty manner that he was a lawyer, and proceeded to rant at her about what would happen if she let them thaw out. Needless to say, she was annoyed by his behaviour.

Shortly before landing in New York , she used the intercom to announce
to the entire cabin, "Would the gentleman who gave me the crabs in New Orleans , please raise your hand?"

Not one hand went up ... so she took them home and ate them.

Two lessons here:
1. Lawyers aren't as smart as they think they are.
2. Blondes aren't as dumb as most folks think.


Roflmao!!

238 SasquatchOnSteroids  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 7:12:16pm

re: #218 LGoPs

Yeah, I seem to recall your entrance was pretty abominable...Yeti have trouble recalling the details now...
:)

Crap, damn that alkayhawl.
Sorry about that.

239 Cato the Elder  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 7:12:17pm

re: #221 Ojoe

Very nice.

I came over that route with my bro Jerome one evening just before sunset and then headed into the lights of LA to the Kodak for a Bryan Ferry concert. With the inimitable Martina Sorbara, who builds her own guitars, singing her 9/11 song "Cherry Road" to open. November 2002.

240 Tarkus289  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 7:12:20pm

I wish Galileo could see Hubble.

241 Ojoe  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 7:12:25pm

re: #229 Bobblehead

Very.

242 VioletTiger  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 7:12:32pm

re: #217 Unakite

Across the river, in NJ.


Sorry, no dinos here. They've all evolved into refineries (at least in North Jersey).

243 _RememberTonyC  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 7:13:10pm

If our current administration keeps its current attitude towards terrorists, osama's pals will do their best to make new york look barren once again.

244 Dancing along the light of day  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 7:13:30pm

re: #210 DEZes

Nah, you're not rabid.
{DEZes}

245 3 wood  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 7:13:43pm

Japanese, Koreans gain most from cash for clunkers

Japanese and South Korean automakers registered the biggest market share gains in the U.S. government's "cash for clunkers" program that ended this week with bankruptcy related inventory shortages hurting General Motors Co GM.UL and Chrysler.

Toyota Motor Corp (7203.T) Honda Motor Co Ltd (7267.T), Nissan Motor Co Ltd (7201.T), Hyundai Motor Co (005380.KS) capitalized on the program's goal of pushing consumers away from gas guzzling sport utilities and pickups, to more efficient cars and trucks, preliminary sales figures showed on Wednesday.

Overseas manufacturers dominate in car sales, while U.S. companies have been stronger in the light truck segment. Cars outsold trucks 2-1 under the "clunker" initiative.

I'm sure they are very appreciative of the gifts from the current US taxpayers,our children, and our grandchildren.

246 Bobblehead  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 7:14:19pm

re: #241 Ojoe

Very.

It needs a soundtrack from an old horror movie.

247 Gus  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 7:14:35pm

re: #222 The Shadow Do

What is up with "Life after People" and such like? Something kind of sick about fantasizing the demise of the human race, especilly when it is presented as such a pretty thing - witness video above.

That's not what this video is about. It's really about what Manhattan was like "before people." You might want to listen to Dr. Eric W. Sanderson who is responsible for this project here:

[Link: themannahattaproject.org...]

It's about the original ecology, science, and even history.

248 Cato the Elder  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 7:14:43pm

re: #233 The Shadow Do

Just don't ask for diredtions...
That would be just like a woman!

And when you hit the "home" button, he'll croon songs from "Bringin' It All Back Home" while the computer calculates your route...

249 DEZes  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 7:15:06pm

re: #244 Floral Giraffe

Nah, you're not rabid.
{DEZes}

Then I had better cancel my vet. appointment.

250 SasquatchOnSteroids  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 7:15:15pm

re: #240 Tarkus289

I wish Galileo could see Hubble.

The Deep Field.
Would lose it.

251 snowcrash  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 7:15:38pm

re: #239 Cato the Elder
Geez Cato, first St Francis and now Brian Ferry! Are you interesting or what? lol I thought you were all S.P. all the time.

252 SasquatchOnSteroids  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 7:15:53pm

re: #249 DEZes

Then I had better cancel my vet. appointment.

That appt has nothing to do with being rabid.

253 Ojoe  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 7:16:07pm
254 3 wood  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 7:16:19pm

re: #234 CommonCents

3W, you seem to be on top of the economics. What do you make of the latest durable goods report with the big jump? Is that due to the bloated auto sales from the clunkers program so it's actually a fictional reading or is it legit?

Combination effect of the clunkers program plus durables goods inventories were run way low. Businesses cleaned out their storage and lived on that for a while,now are starting to re-order some of it back.

Do not interpret this as the economy "turning around" yet.

You need to see a growth of GDP and increasing employment for that to be the case.

255 Killgore Trout  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 7:16:55pm

re: #213 Sharmuta

Unbelievable. They really want me to think FEMA camps are coming.

They also laid the groundwork for an inside job terrorist attack to frame the right wing lunatics and seize power permanently.
Beck and Limbaugh know that something is bound to happen and they're already deflecting blame and inventing conspiracies to cover for it.

256 The Shadow Do  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 7:17:20pm

re: #247 Gus 802

That's not what this video is about. It's really about what Manhattan was like "before people." You might want to listen to Dr. Eric W. Sanderson who is responsible for this project here:

[Link: themannahattaproject.org...]

It's about the original ecology, science, and even history.

Pointless exercise

257 [deleted]  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 7:17:20pm
258 BostonTurtle  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 7:17:23pm

ok i got the idea...now will do the atavar.

259 CommonCents  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 7:17:32pm

re: #254 3 wood

Combination effect of the clunkers program plus durables goods inventories were run way low. Businesses cleaned out their storage and lived on that for a while,now are starting to re-order some of it back.

Do not interpret this as the economy "turning around" yet.

You need to see a growth of GDP and increasing employment for that to be the case.

As I expected. That would explain the huge 0.04% jump on the DOW with that impressive release today.
//

260 CapeCoddah  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 7:17:48pm

re: #258 BostonTurtle

ok i got the idea...now will do the atavar.

cool, IM me if you need help

261 DEZes  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 7:17:52pm

re: #231 CapeCoddah

you folks yipped for a long time about wanting a "Sasquatch" was it for those horrid puns??

these puns are abominable, like the snow man.

262 Dancing along the light of day  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 7:18:02pm

re: #252 SasquatchOnSteroids

That appt has nothing to do with being rabid.

Zing! That hurt...

263 CapeCoddah  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 7:18:17pm

re: #261 DEZes

these puns are abominable, like the snow man.

*GROAN*

264 Ojoe  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 7:18:21pm

re: #239 Cato the Elder

The Glendora Mountain Road is an awesome drive.

265 Erik The Red  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 7:18:21pm

re: #258 BostonTurtle

ok i got the idea...now will do the atavar.

If you are a girl nudes always go down well with us immature boys. :)

266 SasquatchOnSteroids  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 7:18:21pm

re: #261 DEZes

these puns are abominable, like the snow man.

Yeti we keep going.

267 Gus  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 7:18:43pm

re: #256 The Shadow Do

Pointless exercise

Yeah, what a pointless exercise. Who needs to study archaeology, ecology, cartography, and whatever else was involved in this.

/

268 DEZes  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 7:19:25pm

re: #263 CapeCoddah

*GROAN*

Trust me, it hurt to type that. ;)

269 The Shadow Do  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 7:19:56pm

re: #248 Cato the Elder

And when you hit the "home" button, he'll croon songs from "Bringin' It All Back Home" while the computer calculates your route...

I'm resigned to using my Garmin then, the times, I'm told, they are a'changin

270 CapeCoddah  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 7:20:03pm

re: #268 DEZes

Trust me, it hurt to type that. ;)

Yeah, I feel your pain!

271 Ojoe  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 7:20:06pm

re: #256 The Shadow Do

Not pointless at all. The more of which we are aware, the better decisions we can make.

One of Obama's problems for instance is that he does not really have a broad awareness.

272 DEZes  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 7:20:14pm

re: #262 Floral Giraffe

Zing! That hurt...

Trust me, these are not fangs. ;)

273 SasquatchOnSteroids  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 7:20:19pm

ETR. You may have mail.

Not a bill.

274 Bobblehead  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 7:20:46pm

re: #250 SasquatchOnSteroids

The Deep Field.
Would lose it.

How about Anton Van Leeuwenhoek and all the other pioneers of microscopy taking a peek at an electron microscope?

275 DEZes  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 7:20:55pm

re: #273 SasquatchOnSteroids

ETR. You may have mail.

Not a bill.

If its not a Bill, is it a Chad?

276 Erik The Red  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 7:21:07pm

re: #273 SasquatchOnSteroids

ETR. You may have mail.

Not a bill.

Got and replied. I sent you my bill for my time.)

277 CommonCents  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 7:21:11pm

re: #269 The Shadow Do

I'm resigned to using my Garmin then, the times, I'm told, they are a'changin

I still prefer the good ol' map.

278 Ojoe  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 7:21:51pm

re: #231 CapeCoddah

As far as I know there is no one with just the "Sasquatch" Nic here.

279 The Shadow Do  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 7:22:16pm

re: #267 Gus 802

Yeah, what a pointless exercise. Who needs to study archaeology, ecology, cartography, and whatever else was involved in this.

/

Astonishing, Manhatten was a wilderness before the folks fucked it up. Very good to know. Who'd a thunk it.

280 Erik The Red  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 7:22:27pm

SECRET TO A LONG MARRIAGE
With a couple celebrating their 50th anniversary at the church's
marriage marathon, the minister asked Brother Ralph to take a few
minutes and share some insight into how he managed to live with the
same woman all these years.
The husband replied to the audience, "Well, I treated her with
respect, spent money on her, but mostly I took her travelling on
special occasions."
The minister inquired trips to where? "For our 25th anniversary, I
took her to Beijing , China ."
The minister then said, "What a terrific example you are to all
husbands, Ralph. Please tell the audience what you're going to do for
your wife on your 50th anniversary?"


Ralph: "I'm going to fetch her."

281 DEZes  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 7:22:30pm

Well, its been fun, but rest must come.
Thanks for the company and grins.
Later Lizards.

282 [deleted]  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 7:22:34pm
283 CapeCoddah  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 7:22:37pm

re: #278 Ojoe

As far as I know there is no one with just the "Sasquatch" Nic here.

on steroids, I know!!

284 3 wood  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 7:22:43pm

Now the Fed does not want to disclose lending details:

Federal Reserve Seeks Delay in Disclosure of Emergency Lending

The Federal Reserve asked a judge to delay enforcement of her decision requiring the central bank to identify companies in its emergency lending programs.

Chief U.S. District Judge Loretta Preska in Manhattan said on Aug. 24 that the Fed had until Aug. 31 to disclose daily reports on borrowing by banks and other financial institutions. The central bank wants Preska to stay her order, made in a Freedom of Information Act lawsuit, until the U.S. Court of Appeals in New York can act on an appeal that the Fed said it intends to file.

The Fed and U.S. banks would suffer irreparable harm if details of the loan programs were made public, according to the central bank’s senior counsel, Yvonne Mizusawa.


I disagree, I think the damage will be bigger by not disclosing this.

285 Sarita  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 7:22:44pm

re: #73 mikalm

The San Francisco landfill started during the Gold Rush, when ships were abandoned as soon as they docked at the harbor, and left to rot. Every time they dig around the area east of Montgomery Street, they unearth old timbers and refuse from the mid-19th century.

Of course, since I work in a highrise office right in the middle of the landfill zone, I'm not exactly looking forward to the next Big One...

It would be pretty cool if they did the same thing for the city of San Francisco. The streams and lakes that were there would surprise a lot of people.

286 Sharmuta  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 7:22:52pm

re: #255 Killgore Trout

They also laid the groundwork for an inside job terrorist attack to frame the right wing lunatics and seize power permanently.
Beck and Limbaugh know that something is bound to happen and they're already deflecting blame and inventing conspiracies to cover for it.

They want to be the right-wing version of the left from the last 8 years. It's one of the saddest things I've ever seen, and I'm stunned how quickly this happened.

287 midwestgak  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 7:23:22pm

re: #265 Erik The Red

If you are a girl nudes always go down well with us immature boys. :)

Not appropriate.

288 Erik The Red  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 7:23:26pm

re: #281 DEZes

Well, its been fun, but rest must come.
Thanks for the company and grins.
Later Lizards.

Later DEZes. WeeT dreams

289 SasquatchOnSteroids  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 7:23:39pm

re: #281 DEZes

Well, its been fun, but rest must come.
Thanks for the company and grins.
Later Lizards.

Nite, peep. Sleep well.

290 Dr. Shalit  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 7:23:50pm

re: #217 Unakite

Across the river, in NJ.

unakite -

If you are talking about the upcoming visit of the Libyan President, you might be right.
I am a NJ Resident, an almost Haredi Jew (I cheat on Kashrut here and there) AND recognize the FACT that the President of Libya is at least "Somewhat Smart" as to his rights in the US under the UN Treaty.
What One Cannot Stop - One CAN Heckle - as did my forebearers in 1939 at the Bund Rally. Heckle HIM, AND be ready to be Arrested if you go too far. Didn't phase my forebearers - they wore it as a "Badge of Honor."
That is all.

-S-

291 Gus  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 7:24:23pm

re: #279 The Shadow Do

Astonishing, Manhatten was a wilderness before the folks fucked it up. Very good to know. Who'd a thunk it.

OK, it's a secret left wing video that will turn our children into secular environmentalists.

//

292 HelloDare  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 7:24:57pm

CHRIS MATTHEWS: You know there’s going to be a lot of talk about the tragic blessings of the Kennedy family, and the curse. And it’s all nonsense. These people were courageous risk takers. Kathleen Kennedy, the girl, the oldest daughter, she was killed with her lover traveling on a plane ride she never should have taken through terrible weather in Europe. Joe Kennedy, Jr. took a mission that nobody should have taken in a plane loaded with dynamite to go blow up the V-1 rocket sites. Jack Kennedy was killed in an open car in Dallas in the midst of the most hated–it’s like the mood we’re in right now." target="_blank">CHRIS MATTHEWS: You know there’s going to be a lot of talk about the tragic blessings of the Kennedy family, and the curse. And it’s all nonsense. These people were courageous risk takers. Kathleen Kennedy, the girl, the oldest daughter, she was killed with her lover traveling on a plane ride she never should have taken through terrible weather in Europe. Joe Kennedy, Jr. took a mission that nobody should have taken in a plane loaded with dynamite to go blow up the V-1 rocket sites. Jack Kennedy was killed in an open car in Dallas in the midst of the most hated–it’s like the mood we’re in right now.

293 CapeCoddah  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 7:25:13pm

Night, DEZ

294 Ojoe  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 7:25:16pm

re: #279 The Shadow Do

It was all wilderness, the whole planet at one time.

If you read a lot you will find some interesting things.

Trevylean's Illustrated History of England contains the story of swamp drainage there, very long ago. Maybe 1/3 of England was swamp.

Anyway, given that man is part of nature, what is "natural"?

295 The Shadow Do  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 7:25:26pm

re: #284 3 wood

transparent administration.

Where did I leave my glasses...

296 Erik The Red  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 7:25:29pm

re: #287 midwestgak

Not appropriate.

Ah, come on. Boys will be boys. It was a joke after all.

297 MandyManners  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 7:25:32pm

re: #240 Tarkus289

I wish Galileo could see Hubble.

And, Gutenberg, the I.B.M. Selectric.

Heck, the Internet.

298 Danny  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 7:25:50pm

re: #291 Gus 802

OK, it's a secret left wing video that will turn our children into secular environmentalists.

//

I'd be all for a reclamation project there. Probably too late now, huh?

299 [deleted]  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 7:26:13pm
300 Cato the Elder  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 7:26:21pm

re: #264 Ojoe

The Glendora Mountain Road is an awesome drive.

Otherwise known as Route 2? We were led there by providence. Some. Awe.

301 snowcrash  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 7:26:26pm

re: #236 Sharmuta
Bobblehead said microscope in #274! Best tweet evah ..."How the fuck should I know if it's still good? Eat it. You get sick, it wasn't good. You people, you think I got microscopic fucking eyes.

302 Danny  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 7:27:00pm

re: #299 taxfreekiller

What triggered that post?

303 3 wood  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 7:27:29pm

Dollar, Yen Gain as China Policy Concern Spurs Refuge Demand

The dollar advanced for a fourth day against the euro amid concern restrictions on Chinese production will stifle an economic recovery and as regional shares fell, sparking demand for safe-haven currencies.

The yen rose versus all of its 16 most-active counterparts as risk appetite waned before reports this week forecast to show Japan’s unemployment rate matched a record high and the U.S. economy contracted at a faster pace than initially projected. The Australian dollar sank for a third day against the greenback after crude oil fell, undermining demand for the currencies of commodity producers.

Get ready for another pull back by the market.

304 Cato the Elder  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 7:27:32pm

Dylan, by the way, is bringing out a Christmas album this year.

Charles, you may want to put it in the LGF Amazon store. I'll buy it from there if you do.

305 Charles Johnson  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 7:27:45pm

Glenn Beck has gone completely insane.

306 midwestgak  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 7:27:55pm

re: #296 Erik The Red

Ah, come on. Boys will be boys. It was a joke after all.

I know {Erik}. But Bostonturtle is a sweet newbie. May not get the joke yet like the rest of us.

307 VioletTiger  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 7:27:55pm

re: #290 Dr. Shalit

Also here in Jersey, Dr.
And not one bit happy about mallowmar's visit.

308 Ojoe  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 7:28:00pm

re: #300 Cato the Elder

I don't know its number. It runs out from south of Baldy Village across the mountains to Glendora. There are some primeval views along it.

309 Unakite  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 7:28:00pm

re: #200 BostonTurtle

yes i need a avatar...! How do I get one?

Got a cool one to offer that I took at the National Zoo in D.C. a couple of months ago...

By the way, welcome, and it took me a while to figure out the avatar thing too.

310 SasquatchOnSteroids  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 7:28:27pm

In 200 years, they'll be playing the same "What would they think now."

What will they have ?

311 [deleted]  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 7:28:37pm
312 Ojoe  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 7:29:30pm

re: #305 Charles

Coo Coo !

Shamelessly paraded for ratings by management, he will probably be.

—channeling Yoda.

BBL

313 The Shadow Do  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 7:29:41pm

re: #291 Gus 802

OK, it's a secret left wing video that will turn our children into secular environmentalists.

//

Ridiculous, but that still doesn't answear the question of why this video is. You may want to attribute some sort of historic/science incentive to it but that content is not there. The point of here, very pretty, is obvious. Manhatten good without people, bad with.
Sick

314 Bobblehead  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 7:29:43pm

re: #292 HelloDare

What a maroon. What a big mouthed, self righteous, preening idiot. I could go on...

315 3 wood  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 7:29:55pm

re: #295 The Shadow Do

Well, technically the White House does not control the Fed, but I get your point.

316 _RememberTonyC  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 7:30:12pm

re: #305 Charles

Glenn Beck has gone completely insane.


and his ratings are through the roof. for him to get 2.8 million homes at 5pm ET is beyond amazing. I think people are either mesmerized by him, waiting for him to go a;; "howard beale" on us, or both.

317 Ojoe  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 7:30:16pm

re: #309 Unakite

Go to google image search, advanced, and ask for small images on a subject that you like.

318 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 7:30:27pm

re: #313 The Shadow Do

Ridiculous, but that still doesn't answear the question of why this video is. You may want to attribute some sort of historic/science incentive to it but that content is not there. The point of here, very pretty, is obvious. Manhatten good without people, bad with.
Sick

I just skimmed the pictures in the magazine. I'm from Oregon. I visit places that look like the "before" pictures all the time.

319 medaura18586  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 7:30:29pm

Wow, I find the island much improved. Damn, I love an urban landscape, and I heart NYC most of all.

But a change of environment is good once in a while. Which is why tomorrow I'm going back to the land of the eagles (Albania, for the uninitiated) and enjoying the sun, beaches, mountains, and olive groves. This is the hotel my hubby and I are staying at for three nights: Image: vlora99.jpg

At 30-40 bones a night, unbeatable. So long Lizardom! See ya' all in a couple of weeks

/back to packing and looking for my passport.

320 Cato the Elder  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 7:30:30pm

For anyone who still believes that Dylan can't sing - just sayin' - please do me the honor of playing this. If you still demur, I'll buy you a beer. Or a mockingbird. But not a diamond ring.

321 lawhawk  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 7:31:06pm

re: #305 Charles

Glenn Beck has gone completely insane.

More so than usual? /haven't been watching...

322 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 7:31:11pm

re: #317 Ojoe

Go to google image search, advanced, and ask for small images on a subject that you like.

You can also use most graphic editors to shrink just about any image. Like, for example, you as a child with your pet.

323 CommonCents  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 7:31:14pm

re: #284 3 wood

central bank’s senior counsel, Yvonne Mizusawa.

My latent dyslexia tells me that last name certainly looks like miss-use-a (yo money)

324 Gus  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 7:31:26pm

re: #313 The Shadow Do

Ridiculous, but that still doesn't answear the question of why this video is. You may want to attribute some sort of historic/science incentive to it but that content is not there. The point of here, very pretty, is obvious. Manhatten good without people, bad with.
Sick

I am not my brothers keeper.

Think what you like.

325 Erik The Red  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 7:31:33pm

WHEN I SAY I AM BROKE...I AM BROKE!!

Yesterday I answered a knock on the door, only to be confronted by a
well-dressed young man carrying a vacuum cleaner.

'Good morning,' said the young man. 'If I could take a couple of
minutes of your time, I would like to demonstrate the very latest in
high-powered vacuum cleaners.'

'Go away!' I said. 'I haven't got any money!', 'I'm broke!' and
proceeded to close the door.

Quick as a flash, the young man wedged his foot in the door and pushed
wide open. 'Don't be too hasty!' he said. 'Not until you have at least
seen my demonstration.' And with that, he emptied a bucket of horse
manure onto my hallway carpet.

'If this vacuum cleaner does not remove all traces of this horse
manure from your carpet, Sir, I will personally eat the remainder.'
I stepped back and said, 'Well I hope you've got a fucking good
appetite, because they cut off my electricity this morning. What part
of 'broke' do you not understand?'

326 Sharmuta  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 7:31:43pm

re: #305 Charles

Glenn Beck has gone completely insane.

And Rush is losing it.

327 VioletTiger  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 7:32:01pm

re: #316 _RememberTonyC

and his ratings are through the roof. for him to get 2.8 million homes at 5pm ET is beyond amazing. I think people are either mesmerized by him, waiting for him to go a;; "howard beale" on us, or both.

I was thinking the same thing.
That is a lot of viewers for 5 PM. Most people are just getting home, at best.

328 medaura18586  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 7:32:06pm

re: #319 medaura18586

Image: vl3.jpg.w560h420.jpg

...another view of the same place... now I'm getting really excited.

Wish my an even suntan!

329 Killian Bundy  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 7:32:44pm

It hasn't even been 24 hours and this is getting out of control.

Hatch's Tribute to Kennedy in Song

Much has been written about Sen. Kennedy’s reach across the political aisle. One of his closest friends on the Republican side of that aisle, Sen. Orrin Hatch, posted a song he wrote as a tribute to Sen. Kennedy on his YouTube page today.

/enough already, get on with the funeral!

330 Killgore Trout  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 7:33:11pm

re: #305 Charles

Glenn Beck has gone completely insane.

It's interesting to see he's not toning it down after the advertiser boycott. I assume this is what Fox wants him to do.

331 [deleted]  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 7:33:33pm
332 Bobblehead  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 7:34:17pm

re: #328 medaura18586

[Link: vlorealb.tripod.com...]

...another view of the same place... now I'm getting really excited.

Wish my an even suntan!

Darn, I'm not getting an image. Just a blank page. Now I'm really curious.

333 snowcrash  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 7:34:24pm

re: #328 medaura18586
Have a great vacation. Links do not work for me:( so take plenty of pictures. lol

334 medaura18586  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 7:34:25pm

re: #330 Killgore Trout

Who needs advertisers when they've got Sarah Palin's endorsement?

335 _RememberTonyC  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 7:34:28pm

re: #327 VioletTiger

I was thinking the same thing.
That is a lot of viewers for 5 PM. Most people are just getting home, at best.

and in the central, mountain, and pacific time zones, most people are right in the middle of their work day. nobody in the history of cable news has pulled numbers even close to beck's in that time frame.

336 reine.de.tout  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 7:34:36pm

re: #319 medaura18586

Wow, I find the island much improved. Damn, I love an urban landscape, and I heart NYC most of all.

But a change of environment is good once in a while. Which is why tomorrow I'm going back to the land of the eagles (Albania, for the uninitiated) and enjoying the sun, beaches, mountains, and olive groves. This is the hotel my hubby and I are staying at for three nights: [Link: vlorealb.tripod.com...]

At 30-40 bones a night, unbeatable. So long Lizardom! See ya' all in a couple of weeks

/back to packing and looking for my passport.

no image.

337 Erik The Red  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 7:35:13pm

re: #330 Killgore Trout

It's interesting to see he's not toning it down after the advertiser boycott. I assume this is what Fox wants him to do.

You know what assume stands for, don't you.

ASS/U/ME

338 3 wood  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 7:35:17pm

Here's a shock for the Democrats to ponder. People avoid taxes where ever possible:

Elle Macpherson Can’t Counter London Gloom as Americans Flee

Andrew Wesbecher moved to London from New York in 2006 to sell software to banks and hedge funds. This month he joined the exodus of American expatriates fleeing high taxes and the city’s shrinking financial industry.

“I’m the last guy to leave that I know,” said Wesbecher, 29, who worked for Tibco Software Inc. and lived in Notting Hill, the London neighborhood that’s home to billionaire Richard Branson and model Elle Macpherson. “We are all packing up.”

The number of U.S. citizens in Britain fell 3.8 percent to 126,000 in the 12months through September, according to the Office for National Statistics. The trend probably continued this year, with the Confederation of British Industry estimating the U.K. financial industry will lose about 45,000 jobs in the first nine months of 2009, or 4.3 percent of the total.

Americans are heading home as Britain plans a 50 percent tax rate for those who earn more than 150,000 pounds ($248,000) a year and employers cut benefits for workers living abroad, reducing the allure of London. That comes a year after the U.K. said foreigners who have lived in the country for more than seven years must pay 30,000 pounds annually or give up the special status that shields overseas income from British taxes.

339 VioletTiger  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 7:35:38pm

re: #330 Killgore Trout

It's interesting to see he's not toning it down after the advertiser boycott. I assume this is what Fox wants him to do.

He is drawing a big audience. For some reason, people want whatever he's selling.

340 albusteve  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 7:36:02pm

re: #320 Cato the Elder

For anyone who still believes that Dylan can't sing - just sayin' - please do me the honor of playing this. If you still demur, I'll buy you a beer. Or a mockingbird. But not a diamond ring.


not his best by a long way...to each his own

341 medaura18586  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 7:36:25pm

re: #333 snowcrash

re: #332 Bobblehead

Oh no! You gotta see this place to believe it. Try this link. Any luck?

342 Danny  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 7:36:58pm

re: #320 Cato the Elder

Well, he sings better than me. Still, I'll have a Blue Moon, please.

343 scottishbuzzsaw  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 7:37:21pm

re: #341 medaura18586

re: #332 Bobblehead

Oh no! You gotta see this place to believe it. Try this link. Any luck?

Beautiful.

344 Sharmuta  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 7:38:02pm

re: #337 Erik The Red

If fox wanted him to tone it down- that's what we would be seeing.

345 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 7:38:20pm

re: #36 yochanan

PROBLEM with land fill is if you have a earthquake is that it almost turns into a liquid as is what happened in the parts of San Fran that were made out of land fill. the biggist Earthquake in America was the one that hit new madrid fault. so when it happens again Chicagostan might have some problems because much of the lake front is also built on landfill.

Yeah. Huge chunks of SF are made out of fill put into the Bay, and it tends to go--slushy--when shaken.

346 reine.de.tout  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 7:38:27pm

re: #341 medaura18586

re: #332 Bobblehead

Oh no! You gotta see this place to believe it. Try this link. Any luck?

That one worked.
Beautiful.
Hope you have a great time!

347 snowcrash  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 7:38:30pm

re: #341 medaura18586
Nice. Audio and visual in the link! Looks fab...have a great time.

348 medaura18586  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 7:38:55pm

re: #343 scottishbuzzsaw

We're staying at the hotel in front of which the two dudes are canoeing.

349 albusteve  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 7:38:58pm

reasonable Dylan...great song, marginal vocals


350 CommonCents  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 7:39:00pm

re: #331 taxfreekiller

now, rest
Friday noon off the Wichita Falls for the HHH-100
hope to get it done in 6 1/2 hours...

Climate Change is doing its part for that too, high there will be 90
rather than the 110 it was for about 10 years in a row back in the
late 1980's up to about 1997,,, there were 100 days over 100 F back then

but you know, stuff like that does not matter when your on the Kool Aid Express

The typical weather isn't climate reply in 3...2...1...

351 Bobblehead  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 7:39:19pm

re: #341 medaura18586

re: #332 Bobblehead

Oh no! You gotta see this place to believe it. Try this link. Any luck?

Oh wow. Looks beautiful! Have a wonderful time.

352 Sharmuta  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 7:39:25pm

Have fun, Kejda!

353 Pawn of the Oppressor  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 7:39:28pm

re: #82 Lucius Septimius

Even at the time of the Revolution, New York city didn't extend much beyond Wall Street. Haarlem (as it was still spelled) was a village up north aways. And the Bowery was just that -- a farm (that's what the Dutch word means).

During the Revolution Washington fought a running battle through the woods, farms, and swamps of Manhattan Island. Hard to believe that nowadays.

I believe there was at least one running battle across the west tip of Long Island from south to north, as well, and one of the major engagements in that fight is now marked by a statue in a park in Queens IIRC.

McCullough's "1776" has some great descriptions of the battles in NY as well as the character of the place. NYC was an elitist, wrong-headed, contrarian sort of place right from the beginning! And the British fleet that showed up in NY harbor to fight Washington was the single largest expiditionary force the British sent out, EVER, for any reason. Imagine being a modern George Washington and seeing the equivalent of a dozen U.S. aircraft carrier groups appearing in your battlespace. Truly epic stuff.

354 Mich-again  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 7:39:31pm

re: #132 BostonTurtle

Hi there BostonTurtle. I like Turtles.

355 midwestgak  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 7:40:03pm

re: #320 Cato the Elder

For anyone who still believes that Dylan can't sing - just sayin' - please do me the honor of playing this. If you still demur, I'll buy you a beer. Or a mockingbird. But not a diamond ring.

I did you the honor.

You owe me a beer Cato. Dylan can't sing. But here's what's interesting.

Dylan is definitely a guy who reaches other guys with his lyrics. My guy neighbor gets into Dylan too.

Any of you ladies out their have a Bob Dylan collection?

356 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 7:40:28pm

re: #38 ggt

I saw some show a while back in which archaeologists were digging in Manhattan. Anything in America seems so relatively (to things in Egypt) new to me, I couldn't imagine why they were digging. What they found in the old landfills that make-up much of what is under Manhattan was fascinating.

When they built the new Kaiser building at Geary and Divisadero in San Francisco, they found all sorts of odds and ends. Pieces of it are on display in the building now. Chinese ceramics, doll's heads, medicine bottles, jewelry. Cool stuff.

357 Unakite  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 7:40:44pm

re: #240 Tarkus289

I wish Galileo could see Hubble.

But can the Hubble see Galileo??

358 The Shadow Do  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 7:40:58pm

re: #338 3 wood


Americans are heading home as Britain plans a 50 percent tax rate for those who earn more than 150,000 pounds ($248,000) a year and employers cut benefits for workers living abroad, reducing the allure of London. That comes a year after the U.K. said foreigners who have lived in the country for more than seven years must pay 30,000 pounds annually or give up the special status that shields overseas income from British taxes.


Now that is rich! So to speak.

359 scottishbuzzsaw  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 7:41:01pm

re: #348 medaura18586

We're staying at the hotel in front of which the two dudes are canoeing.

Looks like a wonderful place to vacation...enjoy!

360 medaura18586  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 7:41:41pm

Thanks all... I'll bring back pictures too. Hubby bought a gigapan precisely so he could document this trip. He's obsessed with it already.

Cool gadget.

So I should have some crazy full-zoom panoramic shots when I get back.

Night now!

361 Unakite  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 7:42:07pm

re: #242 VioletTiger

Sorry, no dinos here. They've all evolved into refineries (at least in North Jersey).

Heh :)

362 Cato the Elder  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 7:42:35pm

re: #342 Danny

Well, he sings better than me. Still, I'll have a Blue Moon, please.

When will you be in [undisclosed location]? My nick is blue.

364 Spare O'Lake  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 7:44:36pm

re: #320 Cato the Elder

For anyone who still believes that Dylan can't sing - just sayin' - please do me the honor of playing this. If you still demur, I'll buy you a beer. Or a mockingbird. But not a diamond ring.



Dylan's voice was never fine, but that never stopped him or his fans.
The raw, honest poetry of his lyrics, his simple melodies and his basic instrumentals all combined to create pure magic.

365 Bobblehead  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 7:44:39pm

re: #363 jcm

Sunset over the Olympics, now showing a few minutes only.

Lovely. Like the glow that seems to come from within the mountain.

366 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 7:44:52pm

re: #85 jcm

So basically, people have been selling the Brooklyn Bridge since before there was a bridge?

367 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 7:45:07pm

re: #363 jcm

Home.

368 lawhawk  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 7:46:25pm

re: #363 jcm

Is that Long Lake... gorgeous... drove around the Olympics in 1 day... far too short a time to see the whole thing. I could probably spend years taking photos there... great stuff

369 jcm  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 7:46:53pm

re: #366 SanFranciscoZionist

So basically, people have been selling the Brooklyn Bridge since before there was a bridge?

LOL! Yep, start of a great tradition!

370 SasquatchOnSteroids  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 7:47:01pm

Heh. FMyLife

Today, I was driving to work when a state trooper rammed into my car from behind, because he was on the cell phone and not paying attention. He gave me a ticket for "Failure to control speed to avoid a crash." FML

Today, my little sister recieved a fairy costume from my aunt. She put it on and waves her wand at me. She said,"Abra cadabra bibbity poo. I wish Sydney was pretty." When I did nothing, she put her hands on her hips and says,"Cant you just act pretty?" FML

Today, I accidentally ran my thumb down the cheese grater while preparing lunch beside my wife. I instantly jerked my hand away from the grater just in time run my forearm across the knife she was using. I now have 20 stitches and 5 staples in my arm, no lunch, and a puking wife. FML

371 Pawn of the Oppressor  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 7:47:16pm

re: #222 The Shadow Do

What is up with "Life after People" and such like? Something kind of sick about fantasizing the demise of the human race, especilly when it is presented as such a pretty thing - witness video above.

You need to go read the book that started it all - "The World Without Us". It's not a nihilistic book at all, it attempts to answer a simple question: What effect do we REALLY have on the world? It's very enlightening, especially for somebody who grew up in the politically correct 90's. It covers both the past as well as the present and future, and from my POV it clarified a lot about what is environmentally damaging, vs. what isn't.

Some fun tidbits:

- Steven Spielberg's ending for "AI" with the towers of NYC still visible thousands of years from now is crap. Those buildings won't last 50 years because of all the water under Manhattan.

- Plastics won't be around forever. It'll probably take about a quarter of a million years before something learns to eat it.

- Those evil oil companies and their big toxic refineries will end up as a mere "smear of heavy metals" deep in the strata in future eons.

The truth is, on a geologic timescale, we will be gone someday and it's interesting to know what will remain and what won't.

372 CommonCents  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 7:47:33pm

re: #363 jcm

Sunset over the Olympics, now showing a few minutes only.

How much for land around there?

373 aboo-Hoo-Hoo  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 7:48:18pm

re: #255 Killgore Trout

They also laid the groundwork for an inside job terrorist attack to frame the right wing lunatics and seize power permanently.
Beck and Limbaugh know that something is bound to happen and they're already deflecting blame and inventing conspiracies to cover for it.

Killgore...as much as I hate to say it, you're beginning to sounding Beckish.

374 jcm  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 7:48:42pm

re: #368 lawhawk

Is that Long Lake... gorgeous... drove around the Olympics in 1 day... far too short a time to see the whole thing. I could probably spend years taking photos there... great stuff

Hood canal from Poulsbo, WA, likely just north of Bangor.

375 Killgore Trout  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 7:49:11pm

re: #372 CommonCents

How much for land around there?

It's actually not too expensive. There are some affordable areas up there.

376 BostonTurtle  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 7:49:25pm

Hello everyone I am working on my avatar and it will be up soon. AS for now I need to get ready for bed. So have a Good Night everyone. Thanks for welcoming me in. Goodnight!

377 jcm  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 7:49:56pm

re: #372 CommonCents

How much for land around there?

On the Kitsap Peninsula, it's up there, basically a suburb of Seattle. Go over on the Olympic Peninsula much less.

378 Bobblehead  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 7:50:07pm

re: #376 BostonTurtle

Hello everyone I am working on my avatar and it will be up soon. AS for now I need to get ready for bed. So have a Good Night everyone. Thanks for welcoming me in. Goodnight!

See you soon.

379 CommonCents  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 7:50:49pm

re: #376 BostonTurtle

Hello everyone I am working on my avatar and it will be up soon. AS for now I need to get ready for bed. So have a Good Night everyone. Thanks for welcoming me in. Goodnight!

Cheerio then lass.

380 Erik The Red  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 7:50:55pm

One evening a husband, thinking he was being funny, said to his wife, 'Perhaps we should start washing your clothes in 'Slim Fast'. Maybe it would take a few inches off of your butt!'
His wife was not amused, and decided that she simply couldn't let such a comment go unrewarded.

The next morning the husband took a pair of underwear out of his drawer. 'What the heck is this?' he said to himself as a little 'dust' cloud appeared when he shook them out.

'April', he hollered into the bathroom, 'Why did you put talcum powder in my underwear?'

She replied with a snicker. 'It's not talcum powder; it's 'Miracle Grow'!!! !

381 Sharmuta  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 7:53:06pm

re: #373 aboo-Hoo-Hoo

You didn't watch the video, did you?

382 itellu3times  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 7:53:06pm

re: #371 Pawn of the Oppressor

The truth is, on a geologic timescale, we will be gone someday and it's interesting to know what will remain and what won't.

Speak for yourself, I'm going to download my consciousness into a crystal powered by zero point energy and outlast the universe.

383 SasquatchOnSteroids  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 7:53:41pm

re: #380 Erik The Red

Wife : Does this dress make me look fat ?

Husband : Well, I'd just say you make the dress look small.

And that's when the divorce started...

384 Killgore Trout  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 7:54:12pm

A nice one on Coos Bay tonight too.

385 Mich-again  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 7:55:02pm

re: #371 Pawn of the Oppressor

The truth is, on a geologic timescale, we will be gone someday and it's interesting to know what will remain and what won't.


Some future descendants will get the impression this guy was the most important person in the world.

386 jcm  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 7:55:19pm

re: #384 Killgore Trout

A nice one on Coos Bay tonight too.

Nice, right at sunset too!

387 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 7:55:26pm

re: #381 Sharmuta

Did you see that raccoon shooting a [finger]?

388 Sharmuta  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 7:55:40pm

re: #387 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

no

389 CapeCoddah  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 7:56:01pm

re: #380 Erik The Red

One evening a husband, thinking he was being funny, said to his wife, 'Perhaps we should start washing your clothes in 'Slim Fast'. Maybe it would take a few inches off of your butt!'
His wife was not amused, and decided that she simply couldn't let such a comment go unrewarded.

The next morning the husband took a pair of underwear out of his drawer. 'What the heck is this?' he said to himself as a little 'dust' cloud appeared when he shook them out.

'April', he hollered into the bathroom, 'Why did you put talcum powder in my underwear?'

She replied with a snicker. 'It's not talcum powder; it's 'Miracle Grow'!!! !

Just sent that on to the boss, he will love it!! LOL

390 The Shadow Do  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 7:57:15pm

re: #371 Pawn of the Oppressor

I am sure that's all correct and even interesting.

My objection to this navel gazing crap is that it all implies that humans are some sort of vermin scavenging this good earth. Did you see Bambi romping around hell's kitchen?

That may even be so, but it brings no joy to me, my kids or my grandkids to think so.

The implication is that if you love this planet then you should just get the hell out of the way. I am not in favor of this line of thinking, that is all.

391 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 7:57:41pm

re: #132 BostonTurtle

hi everyone I am a friend of CapeCoddah.

You could have picked a worse friend.

Now, get me a beer.

392 itellu3times  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 7:57:42pm

re: #323 CommonCents

My latent dyslexia tells me that last name certainly looks like miss-use-a (yo money)

Womanize Navy Us
Maizes Wavy Noun
Maize Avow Sunny
Maize Wavy Nouns
Zanies Yawn Ovum
Mauves Annoy Wiz
Mauves Zany Wino

393 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 7:58:22pm

re: #388 Sharmuta

Well, it wasn't there.

394 Cato the Elder  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 7:59:11pm

'Twas a time, once,
In a re: #364 Spare O'Lake

Dylan's voice was never fine, but that never stopped him or his fans.
The raw, honest poetry of his lyrics, his simple melodies and his basic instrumentals all combined to create pure magic.

Thank you. I needed that tonight like air.

Dylan = latter-day Jewish prophet, in the tradition of Ezra, from in and out, without a doubt, the scion of Zion, a fool for God, mocker of power, relater of tales, wanderer to the depths of the deepest dark forest, a seer, a holy man, a fraud, an uncomfortable foresightful fearful compatriot for all our travails; the first I ever heard the lyrical words of. For "Girl from the North Country" I would still die, no matter her looks or age.

395 aboo-Hoo-Hoo  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 7:59:19pm

re: #381 Sharmuta

You didn't watch the video, did you?

No I haven't.

When people start implying entertainers/radio show hosts laying the groundwork for...whatever...I think we're getting off into goo-goo land.

396 shortshrift  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 7:59:37pm

re: #267 Gus 802

Yeah, what a pointless exercise. Who needs to study archaeology, ecology, cartography, and whatever else was involved in this.

/

It is a good "imagineering" of what a piece of the planet was like before modern humanity altered (spoiled?) it. The video recreations of the formations and deformations of the Earth's continents are also scientifically worthy. But I do not think that those videos hoped to rouse the audience to rue the passing of Pangea. This video does evoke a sense of longing for the pristine precisely because it recreates the forests and lakes of what was to become the concrete jungle of Manhattan.

397 CapeCoddah  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 7:59:51pm

Hey everyone, My friend has logged off, thank you so much for the welcome. She is extraordinarily shy, and has lived alone for too long. A couple of friends and I are trying to get her to socialize more. She is not very worldly, yet, and does not know much about politics, but I think she will be well served here.
Sometimes her grammar is strange, because she is deaf.I really appreciate it.

398 Sharmuta  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 7:59:54pm

re: #395 aboo-Hoo-Hoo

No I haven't.

When people start implying entertainers/radio show hosts laying the groundwork for...whatever...I think we're getting off into goo-goo land.

Then maybe you should watch what was being referenced before you make an ass of yourself. Just an idea.

399 Erik The Red  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 7:59:56pm

re: #391 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

You could have picked a worse friend.

Now, get me a beer.

Hey FBV, you rude bastard. Say please at least. :)

400 midwestgak  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 8:01:08pm

re: #390 The Shadow Do

Thank you for saying it. Humanity is more valuable than land or animals.

401 CommonCents  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 8:02:06pm

re: #392 itellu3times

Womanize Navy Us
Maizes Wavy Noun
Maize Avow Sunny
Maize Wavy Nouns
Zanies Yawn Ovum
Mauves Annoy Wiz
Mauves Zany Wino

Whoa!!!

402 3 wood  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 8:02:19pm

Sports Nerd Corner:


Bradley feels 'hatred' in Chicago

"When I go home and look in the mirror, I like what I see. My family is there I have people I can talk to who are very supportive, in spite of everything and all the adversity and the hatred you face on a daily basis. But I'll be all right. I always have."

Asked Wednesday to elaborate on his comments from the previous night after a 15-6 Cubs loss, Bradley said:

"I'm talking about hatred, period. I'm talking about when I go to eat at a restaurant. I've got to listen to the waiters badmouthing me at another table, sitting in a restaurant. That's what I'm talking about. Everything."


Hey Bradley, you are getting booed cause you suck and you are a club house cancer causing major problems for the team.

You want the booing to stop? Hers;s a few suggestions:

1. Keep track of the outs when you are in the field. On several occasions this season you lost track of the outs and tossed the ball away thinking hte inning was over, only to stand there like the overpaid schmuck you are as runner gleefully rounded the bases and scored.

2. Stop blaming the umpire when you take a fastball down the pipe for strike 3.
And then don't bump the umpire when you get thrown out for arguing about the call, thus getting suspended and encouraging the umpires to give every close call to the opposition for the rest of the season.

3. Try learning the strike zone. You swing at pitches in the dirt and then take pitches that split the strike zone in two.

4. Try running out a ground ball once in a while.

5. Try hitting behind the runner and moving him to scoring position once in a while. It's called "team ball", a term you are entirely unfamiliar with, I know.

6. Stop trying to crank every pitch out of the ball park. You are an absolute push over for the change up and the whole league knows it. Heck, my dogs know it.

403 Erik The Red  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 8:02:25pm

re: #397 CapeCoddah

Hey everyone, My friend has logged off, thank you so much for the welcome. She is extraordinarily shy, and has lived alone for too long. A couple of friends and I are trying to get her to socialize more. She is not very worldly, yet, and does not know much about politics, but I think she will be well served here.
Sometimes her grammar is strange, because she is deaf.I really appreciate it.

Hell, I can here just fine and my grammer and speeling is wierd. :)

404 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 8:02:33pm

re: #399 Erik The Red

I used the magic word! I said, "Now".

405 Danny  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 8:02:52pm

re: #397 CapeCoddah

My pleasure. Heck, sometimes my grammar is strange and I can hear just fine.

406 CapeCoddah  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 8:03:00pm

re: #403 Erik The Red

Hell, I can here just fine and my grammer and speeling is wierd. :)

LOL< But alcohol is probably a factor!

407 ArchangelMichael  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 8:03:01pm

400 comments and no one pointed out they misspelled the word "subscribe" at the end of the video.

408 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 8:03:47pm

re: #402 3 wood

At least you're not bitter.

409 Erik The Red  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 8:03:49pm

re: #406 CapeCoddah

LOL< But alcohol is probably a factor!

Not tonight. :(((

410 Cato the Elder  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 8:04:10pm

re: #400 midwestgak

Thank you for saying it. Humanity is more valuable than land or animals.

Agreed. But only if you add: animals more valuable than land.

And anyway there were Native American cultures - Indians - who thought it was absurd for the new guys to proffer gold for dirt. Can you grow a plant in gold?

411 The Shadow Do  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 8:04:15pm

re: #402 3 wood

LOL!

What the heck happened to the cubbies, they started out strong this year?

412 CapeCoddah  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 8:04:39pm

re: #405 Danny

My pleasure. Heck, sometimes my grammar is strange and I can hear just fine.

I just did not want you to think she is uneducated!

413 CapeCoddah  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 8:04:58pm

re: #409 Erik The Red

Not tonight. :(((

You admit that??

414 Shug  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 8:05:00pm

re: #395 aboo-Hoo-Hoo

No I haven't.

When people start implying entertainers/radio show hosts laying the groundwork for...whatever...I think we're getting off into goo-goo land.

I couldn't agree more.
It's actually rather disappointing to see the paranoia about TV hosts taking over some version of The Superfriends.
Beck can't even keep his sponsors.
Been listening to Rush daily for 10 years. Never ever once felt compelled to do anything except laugh at Liberals.

Glenn Beck kind of a cartoon characte and Alex Jones is a sad madman,, followwed mostly by young males with acne who lack a father figure
I guess if people think he and Ron Paul are going to take over America, it's their right. I just happen to think it's even loonier than the people they say are looney

415 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 8:05:03pm

re: #397 CapeCoddah

So, I don't get a beer?
/

416 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 8:05:23pm

re: #390 The Shadow Do

I am sure that's all correct and even interesting.

My objection to this navel gazing crap is that it all implies that humans are some sort of vermin scavenging this good earth. Did you see Bambi romping around hell's kitchen?

That may even be so, but it brings no joy to me, my kids or my grandkids to think so.

The implication is that if you love this planet then you should just get the hell out of the way. I am not in favor of this line of thinking, that is all.

History is 'navel-gazing crap'?

417 CapeCoddah  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 8:05:44pm

re: #415 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

So, I don't get a beer?
/

Christ, here, here is a six pack,, only have Sam Adams on hand!

418 ggt  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 8:06:03pm

see you all in a few, I going to read a bit.

419 Gus  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 8:06:24pm

re: #416 SanFranciscoZionist

History is 'navel-gazing crap'?

Amazing isn't it? I'm surprised no one has down dinged this video yet.

420 VioletTiger  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 8:06:26pm

re: #412 CapeCoddah

I just did not want you to think she is uneducated!


She seems very sweet, and she is very fortunate to have you for a friend.

421 The Shadow Do  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 8:06:58pm

By the way, 3-Wood, I hear you are about to become a ward of the State? Will you be voting Dem now?

*backing away slowly*

422 Sharmuta  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 8:07:00pm

re: #414 Shug

Did you watch the video?

Fuck- beck and rush think obama's building a secret army, and you're giving Killgore a hard time?

423 The Shadow Do  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 8:07:31pm

re: #416 SanFranciscoZionist

History is 'navel-gazing crap'?

How is this video history?

424 CapeCoddah  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 8:07:59pm

re: #420 VioletTiger

She seems very sweet, and she is very fortunate to have you for a friend.

She is sweet, been thru an unholy hell, and is darned lucky to have me for a friend, as I am to have her.
Lord, we were girl scouts together. Known each other since we were 8

425 Gus  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 8:08:10pm

re: #400 midwestgak

Thank you for saying it. Humanity is more valuable than land or animals.

Humans have more value in a social context. However, humans are animals and are dependent on land and animals. Ecologically, the survival and humanity are dependent on both.

426 Pawn of the Oppressor  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 8:08:12pm

re: #390 The Shadow Do


The implication is that if you love this planet then you should just get the hell out of the way.

Not at all, at least not in the book. Just the opposite, in fact.

The TV shows you mentioned were, honestly, just a way to employ 3D artists and kill some time with exaggerated drama. I watched them. They weren't nearly as interesting as the book, or the animations Charles linked - which, BTW, were probably put together by a small university's biology research group, the name of which I can't recall. I remember from the book that the group is basically one teacher and some grad students who are building biologically correct 3D models of historical NYC area, as far back as the data and records will take them, to understand what's going on there now. It's really cool stuff.

I do admit that I am the kind of guy to navel-gaze about what America looked like back before strip malls and congested highways. If you could go back and tell the first explorers what this place would become in 500 years' time, would they believe you? What a miserable shithole Florida must have been, who would believe that we would leave for the Moon from there? And then of course, supposedly the first guys who got out onto the central plains found grass that was as high as their horses... Incredible. It blows my mind, man...

427 3 wood  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 8:08:19pm

re: #408 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

At least you're not bitter.

I have no patience for whining trouble makers who cannot play like a professional, and then blame the fans for their own problems.

Last I checked, it was not the fans getting suspended, thrown out of games, and forgetting the number of outs. My gosh, that would not be accepted in college ball, let alone the show.

If he has no respect for himself, he should at least respect the game. I'd cut him tomorrow.

428 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 8:08:32pm

re: #400 midwestgak

Thank you for saying it. Humanity is more valuable than land or animals.

There were people living in pre-Hudson New York too.

They lost the land, but some of their descendents built those skyscrapers.

I don't think anyone here would object to a recreation of what rural England looked like in 1500. Why is this such a threat? The National Geographic Society is not gonna dismantle Manhattan.

429 MandyManners  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 8:09:52pm

Today in the halls of The Kid's school, I was accosted by this woman who has made it her life's mission to grab her husband's arm every time I am in their orbit.

"Mandy, have you gained a bit?"

Huh?

"No. I'm back down to a 4P. Why do you ask?"

She gives me a derisive look and snort.

Sudden silence ensues.

I grab the waist of my long, flowing denim dress and hold it tight.

I cock my head slightly as I say, "So kind of you to notice."

430 Shug  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 8:09:54pm

re: #422 Sharmuta

Did you watch the video?

Fuck- beck and rush think obama's building a secret army, and you're giving Killgore a hard time?


yes I saw it.
So what.
Beck is Howard Stern without the fart jokes and porno.

He can have his rants. Doesn't make him anything but a shock jock in my book. Crazy but a shock jock with a bullhorn, and a dqindling bunch of sponsors

People want to fight paranoia with paranoia--Go for it. Not me.

431 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 8:10:52pm

re: #417 CapeCoddah

Christ, here, here is a six pack,, only have Sam Adams on hand!

A fine man, a staunch voice against slavery, and well, a rabble-rouser who would make Glenn Beck look sick.

But as far as I know he did not often cry in public.

432 The Shadow Do  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 8:10:59pm

re: #426 Pawn of the Oppressor

Yes, I agree. Fascinating stuff and great to imagine - without the political baggage of course. And this crap is political, make no mistake.

433 3 wood  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 8:11:03pm

re: #411 The Shadow Do

What the heck happened to the cubbies, they started out strong this year?

Injuries, their catcher spent the winter smoking weed and eating himself out of shape, the signed Bradley who ruined the team chemistry, and they generally have under performed, especially the bull pen. They also had a lead off hitter for much of the year who I would not bat higher than 5th (Soriano)

Basically, they suck.

Looks like it will be 101 years straight with no championship.

And 102

And 103...

434 CapeCoddah  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 8:11:11pm

re: #429 MandyManners

Today in the halls of The Kid's school, I was accosted by this woman who has made it her life's mission to grab her husband's arm every time I am in their orbit.

"Mandy, have you gained a bit?"

Huh?

"No. I'm back down to a 4P. Why do you ask?"

She gives me a derisive look and snort.

You need to keep your clue by four on you at ALL times!
Sudden silence ensues.

I grab the waist of my long, flowing denim dress and hold it tight.

I cock my head slightly as I say, "So kind of you to notice."

435 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 8:11:30pm

re: #429 MandyManners

heh.

436 Gus  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 8:11:37pm

re: #432 The Shadow Do

Yes, I agree. Fascinating stuff and great to imagine - without the political baggage of course. And this crap is political, make no mistake.

Crap?

437 jcm  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 8:12:17pm

re: #429 MandyManners

Today in the halls of The Kid's school, I was accosted by this woman who has made it her life's mission to grab her husband's arm every time I am in their orbit.

"Mandy, have you gained a bit?"

Huh?

"No. I'm back down to a 4P. Why do you ask?"

She gives me a derisive look and snort.

Sudden silence ensues.

I grab the waist of my long, flowing denim dress and hold it tight.

I cock my head slightly as I say, "So kind of you to notice."

Left the stick at home, huh?

;-)

438 aboo-Hoo-Hoo  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 8:12:28pm

re: #398 Sharmuta

Then maybe you should watch what was being referenced before you make an ass of yourself. Just an idea.

You want to get hysterical about some entertainers, fine.

439 3 wood  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 8:12:32pm

re: #421 The Shadow Do

By the way, 3-Wood, I hear you are about to become a ward of the State? Will you be voting Dem now?

Yeah, I'm thinking of becoming a lefty and just holding my hand out for entitlements.

440 CapeCoddah  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 8:12:45pm

re: #431 SanFranciscoZionist

A fine man, a staunch voice against slavery, and well, a rabble-rouser who would make Glenn Beck look sick.

But as far as I know he did not often cry in public.

NO, he did not. Hell of a man, hell of a beer, too, and I dont like beer
Glen Beck is a disgrace to America, and to real men everywhere.

441 CapeCoddah  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 8:13:43pm

re: #437 jcm

Left the stick at home, huh?

;-)

Thats what I said, but it did not show up!!

442 Danny  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 8:14:05pm

re: #429 MandyManners

Clearly you frighten her.

443 Sharmuta  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 8:14:21pm

re: #438 aboo-Hoo-Hoo

You want to get hysterical about some entertainers, fine.

I see. If anyone points out the hysteria of glen beck- the hysterical one is the pointer? Is that it?

444 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 8:14:23pm

re: #441 CapeCoddah

Thats what I said, but it did not show up!!

*(sympathy ding)*

445 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 8:14:30pm

re: #423 The Shadow Do

How is this video history?

It's a recreation of what an important urban area looked like some hundreds of years ago. It takes into account changes that have been made not only in terms of building up, but also building out, landfill. It shows what Henry Hudson SAW, what the world he sailed into actually looked like. It demonstrates the dramatic changes made in the area in a relatively short period of time, a city rising where no city had been. How is that not history?

446 CapeCoddah  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 8:15:00pm

re: #444 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

*(sympathy ding)*

LOL, Never heard of a sympathy ding... is that like welfare??

447 Pawn of the Oppressor  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 8:15:02pm

re: #432 The Shadow Do

Yes, I agree. Fascinating stuff and great to imagine - without the political baggage of course. And this crap is political, make no mistake.

Suit yourself. Man is a political animal, and this animal likes biological history. You should read the book - it's serious, interesting stuff and you'll never be able to look at Al Gore without laughing ever again.

I wish time travel were possible. I'd load up with camping gear and start skipping around history... Screw having a job, I'd rather wander the Earth like Caine from Kung-Fu.

448 SasquatchOnSteroids  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 8:15:11pm

re: #429 MandyManners

Today in the halls of The Kid's school, I was accosted by this woman who has made it her life's mission to grab her husband's arm every time I am in their orbit.

"Mandy, have you gained a bit?"

Huh?

"No. I'm back down to a 4P. Why do you ask?"

She gives me a derisive look and snort.

Sudden silence ensues.

I grab the waist of my long, flowing denim dress and hold it tight.

I cock my head slightly as I say, "So kind of you to notice."

Too-Shaayyy.

Smackdown.

449 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 8:15:12pm

re: #442 Danny

Clearly you frighten her.

"Mandy, The Homewrecker"

Nah, it don't fit.

450 CapeCoddah  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 8:16:11pm

re: #449 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

"Mandy, The Homewrecker"

Nah, it don't fit.

Unless you literally mean the house!

451 The Shadow Do  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 8:16:24pm

re: #428 SanFranciscoZionist


I don't think anyone here would object to a recreation of what rural England looked like in 1500. Why is this such a threat? The National Geographic Society is not gonna dismantle Manhattan.

Pointless nostalgia. Utopian sillyness. There is nothing educational in this sudden spate of earth without people nonsense in the popular culture (not addressing academia here) - it is an agenda. Green as can be.

452 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 8:17:11pm

re: #450 CapeCoddah

Unless you literally mean the house!

Bwahahahaha!

453 CapeCoddah  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 8:17:16pm

She sounds jealous, Mandy.

454 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 8:17:52pm

re: #446 CapeCoddah

LOL, Never heard of a sympathy ding... is that like welfare??

No, more like a private charity.

455 CapeCoddah  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 8:18:17pm

re: #454 SanFranciscoZionist

No, more like a private charity.

well, that's ok then!

456 VioletTiger  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 8:18:50pm

re: #429 MandyManners
She sounds like an insecure person, trying to make other people feel as miserable as they do.

457 Spare O'Lake  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 8:19:01pm

re: #429 MandyManners

Today in the halls of The Kid's school, I was accosted by this woman who has made it her life's mission to grab her husband's arm every time I am in their orbit.

"Mandy, have you gained a bit?"

Huh?

"No. I'm back down to a 4P. Why do you ask?"

She gives me a derisive look and snort.

Sudden silence ensues.

I grab the waist of my long, flowing denim dress and hold it tight.

I cock my head slightly as I say, "So kind of you to notice."

Size 4P? Mandy, eat something, you'll disappear.

458 Sharmuta  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 8:19:08pm

Yeah- I find it very entertaining to be told the President is building a secret army so he can toss me in a FEMA camp. That's entertainment!

459 Erik The Red  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 8:19:17pm

Later Lizards. I just dozed in my computer chair. Damn well almost fell off it. Sleep tight. Stay Scaly.

460 The Shadow Do  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 8:19:19pm

re: #433 3 wood

Same old, same old...

I grew up a Cards fan so their is no grief here for the Cubs though the rest of my family has been in mourning for, like, ever.
I am now following the Rocks and the Rangers. Slim chances both, but a chance!

461 midwestgak  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 8:19:25pm

re: #397 CapeCoddah

Hey everyone, My friend has logged off, thank you so much for the welcome. She is extraordinarily shy, and has lived alone for too long. A couple of friends and I are trying to get her to socialize more. She is not very worldly, yet, and does not know much about politics, but I think she will be well served here.
Sometimes her grammar is strange, because she is deaf.I really appreciate it.

When I first came to LGF I had an advocate. jorline. He introduced me. I'll never forget his encouragement. He answered questions I had about the site. He answered questions via email that I would not ask on the blog. Simple things now, but unknown things to me then.

Anyway, I'm glad you are there for Bostonturtle.

462 Cato the Elder  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 8:20:07pm

What thou lovest well
Cannot be reft from thee
.

Who said that?

Aye, a fascist guy.

My bootheels shall be wanderin'.

463 Danny  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 8:20:24pm

re: #458 Sharmuta

It's funnier than a lot of stuff on TV.

464 The Shadow Do  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 8:20:29pm

re: #436 Gus 802

Crap?

Yes, the pretty video is crap. Another way to say, pointless.

465 MandyManners  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 8:20:47pm

re: #435 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

heh.

8-)

466 CapeCoddah  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 8:20:51pm

re: #461 midwestgak

When I first came to LGF I had an advocate. jorline. He introduced me. I'll never forget his encouragement. He answered questions I had about the site. He answered questions via email that I would not ask on the blog. Simple things now, but unknown things to me then.

Anyway, I'm glad you are there for Bostonturtle.

Yeah, we were IM ing during her debut... she did good! It is easier if you have a "Sponsor" I would imagine!

467 Sharmuta  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 8:20:55pm

re: #463 Danny

It's funnier than a lot of stuff on TV.

I don't find fear mongering funny. I think it's dangerous.

468 Gus  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 8:21:07pm

re: #451 The Shadow Do

Pointless nostalgia. Utopian sillyness. There is nothing educational in this sudden spate of earth without people nonsense in the popular culture (not addressing academia here) - it is an agenda. Green as can be.

Is paleontology pointless nostalgia? What if they went back further in time during the days of the dinosaurs, would that be different? Another motivation for this is the 400th anniversary of Hentry Hudson's 1609 voyage to the new world, hence the title "What Henry Hudson Saw."

469 Danny  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 8:21:23pm

re: #467 Sharmuta

Different strokes...

470 Karridine  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 8:22:09pm

re: #451 The Shadow Do


"See how beautiful Earth is WITHOUT humans?
Really, it WOULD be better if the elite FEW among us
eliminated the GREAT MASS of you polluting, cavorting losers
and left this green, greeen Earth to US!"

That kinda agenda, Shadow?

471 SasquatchOnSteroids  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 8:23:18pm

A little boy wanted $100 badly and prayed for two weeks but nothing happened. Then he decided to write a letter to the Lord requesting the $100. When the postal authorities received the letter addressed to the Lord, USA, they decided to send it to President Obama. The President was so impressed, touched, and amused that he instructed his secretary to send the little boy a $5.00 bill, as this would appear to be a lot of money to a little boy. The little boy was delighted with the $5.00, and sat down to write a thank-you note to the Lord. It said: Dear Lord, Thank you very much for sending me the money. However, I noticed that for some reason you had to send it through Washington, DC and as usual, those jerks deducted $95.

472 1SG(ret)  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 8:24:17pm

re: #467 Sharmuta
Then don't watch it. Works for me! I guess you see nothing being done by the left as being dangerous?

473 CapeCoddah  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 8:24:34pm

re: #467 Sharmuta

I don't find fear mongering funny. I think it's dangerous.

It is not a bit funny, and it is dangerous as hell. That nut can work up other loons into a frenzy, and that loon WILL do some serious damage. The voices (beck) will tell him to commit some horrid crime. If that happens, one of Beck's loons snaps, he should be held just a responsible as, say, the lunatic shooter he encouraged.
Hypothetically. But it is a very real danger.

474 MandyManners  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 8:25:07pm

re: #437 jcm

Left the stick at home, huh?

;-)

She brought her own stick.

475 Cato the Elder  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 8:25:10pm

To finish out the tale of my last 24 hours:

Dog food and vet: maybe $500 a year.
Gun: less than a John Edwards haircut.
Scaring away cynophobic gun-shy pantload burglar: priceless.

476 SasquatchOnSteroids  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 8:25:15pm

re: #459 Erik The Red

Later Lizards. I just dozed in my computer chair. Damn well almost fell off it. Sleep tight. Stay Scaly.

Nite, ETR.

477 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 8:25:48pm

re: #451 The Shadow Do

Pointless nostalgia. Utopian sillyness. There is nothing educational in this sudden spate of earth without people nonsense in the popular culture (not addressing academia here) - it is an agenda. Green as can be.

I'm sitting here trying to think of a way to say, "I disagree" without being disagreeable. I think this sort of thing is interesting, and rather cool, and do not feel threatened by it. Clearly, your mileage varies on this one.

I would like to point out, however that there's a real difference between history, ie, what Manhattan used to look like, and 'earth without people'. There were people living in New York State before the city rose, the same people whose government gave us some of the principles of the U.S. Constitution. If that's pointless nostalgia, I'm OK with it. I like to know what came before.

478 The Shadow Do  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 8:25:52pm

re: #439 3 wood

Yeah, I'm thinking of becoming a lefty and just holding my hand out for entitlements.

LOL!

I had an engineer friend, laid off from a private company, who was to the right of right. He took a government job and said, well Shadow, I'll be voting Dem now, job security and all. At a restaurant, we stared at each other for about a minute before we both burst out laughing.

Sucker just left the Feds and guess what, he did vote Dem all that time!

479 Sharmuta  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 8:26:09pm

re: #472 1SG(ret)

Then don't watch it. Works for me! I guess you see nothing being done by the left as being dangerous?

Well- only by using flawed logic could one conclude that my dislike of fear mongering is partisan.

480 yochanan  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 8:26:16pm

re: #402 3 wood

there the chicago FUBS wait tell next century is now.

481 jcm  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 8:26:27pm

re: #474 MandyManners

She brought her own stick.

ROFL!

They usually do don't they?

482 Shug  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 8:26:55pm

re: #458 Sharmuta

Yeah- I find it very entertaining to be told the President is building a secret army so he can toss me in a FEMA camp. That's entertainment!


* Wink Wink *they don't have enough trailors for all of us. They couldn't even house Kartina evacuees

and the secret Army is busy getting ready for a controlled demolition of the space needle

483 The Shadow Do  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 8:26:56pm

re: #445 SanFranciscoZionist

It's a recreation of what an important urban area looked like some hundreds of years ago. It takes into account changes that have been made not only in terms of building up, but also building out, landfill. It shows what Henry Hudson SAW, what the world he sailed into actually looked like. It demonstrates the dramatic changes made in the area in a relatively short period of time, a city rising where no city had been. How is that not history?

How is it not obvious?

484 Gus  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 8:27:16pm

Publications resulting from the Mannahatta Project

Bean, W.T. and E.W. Sanderson (2008). “Using a spatially explicit ecological model to test scenarios of fire use by Native Americans: an example from the Harlem Plains, New York, NY.” Ecological Modelling 211: 301-308. 14(4): 545-570. pdf

Sanderson, E.W. and M. Brown (2007). “Mannahatta: an ecological first look at the Manhattan landscape prior to Henry Hudson.” Northeastern Naturalist 14(4): 545-570. pdf

Sanderson, E.W. and D. LaBruna (2005) “Mapping the historical ecology and reconstructing the historical flora of the lower Bronx River: a guide for ecosystem restoration and outreach.” A report of the Wildlife Conservation Society. pdf

Sanderson, E.W. (2005). “Urban legend: discovering Manhattan’s wetlands.” National Wetlands Newsletter 27(1): 1;15-18. pdf

Sanderson, E.W. (2009) Mannahatta: A Natural History of New York City. Illustrated by Markley Boyer. New York: Abrams. Available from Abrams, by visiting the shop at the Bronx Zoo, or from your local or on-line bookseller.

485 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 8:27:50pm

re: #475 Cato the Elder

To finish out the tale of my last 24 hours:

Dog food and vet: maybe $500 a year.
Gun: less than a John Edwards haircut.
Scaring away cynophobic gun-shy pantload burglar: priceless.

'cynophobic'

Now that's priceless.

486 Shug  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 8:27:51pm

re: #473 CapeCoddah

It is not a bit funny, and it is dangerous as hell. That nut can work up other loons into a frenzy, and that loon WILL do some serious damage. The voices (beck) will tell him to commit some horrid crime. If that happens, one of Beck's loons snaps, he should be held just a responsible as, say, the lunatic shooter he encouraged.
Hypothetically. But it is a very real danger.


You are right !

We should lay off the Jenny McCarthy bashing

487 MandyManners  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 8:28:11pm

re: #442 Danny

Clearly you frighten her.

I don't know why. She's a tall woman with a nice build.

Oh, wait.

SHE GOT A TUMMY-TUCK IN JANUARY.

488 yochanan  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 8:28:11pm

re: #411 The Shadow Do

well there was the curse of the billy goat and now there is the curse of the pussey cat so wait tell next century CHICAGOSTAN FUBS.

489 Sharmuta  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 8:28:33pm

re: #482 Shug

* Wink Wink *they don't have enough trailors for all of us. They couldn't even house Kartina evacuees

and the secret Army is busy getting ready for a controlled demolition of the space needle

Dude- you are harshing glen beck's self-delusionment. Knock it off!

490 Gus  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 8:28:45pm

The Mannahatta Project!

Teach the controversy.

//

491 Danny  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 8:28:53pm

re: #487 MandyManners

Bingo!

492 shortshrift  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 8:29:10pm

re: #451 The Shadow Do

Pointless nostalgia. Utopian sillyness. There is nothing educational in this sudden spate of earth without people nonsense in the popular culture (not addressing academia here) - it is an agenda. Green as can be.

See my #396.
It might not be an agenda, so much as a mind-set.

493 The Shadow Do  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 8:29:50pm

re: #468 Gus 802

Is paleontology pointless nostalgia? What if they went back further in time during the days of the dinosaurs, would that be different? Another motivation for this is the 400th anniversary of Hentry Hudson's 1609 voyage to the new world, hence the title "What Henry Hudson Saw."

It's a fucking video!

494 1SG(ret)  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 8:29:54pm

re: #479 Sharmuta

Then I guess when your posts are less partisan, that flawed logic will go away!

495 Spare O'Lake  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 8:30:20pm

re: #462 Cato the Elder

What thou lovest well
Cannot be reft from thee
.

Who said that?

Aye, a fascist guy.

My bootheels shall be wanderin'.

Go away from my window,
Leave at your own chosen speed...

496 MandyManners  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 8:30:25pm

re: #448 SasquatchOnSteroids

Too-Shaayyy.

Smackdown.

Shit adds up.

497 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 8:30:30pm

re: #483 The Shadow Do

How is it not obvious?

Clearly this sort of thing isn't your cup of tea.

498 CapeCoddah  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 8:30:41pm

re: #487 MandyManners

I don't know why. She's a tall woman with a nice build.

Oh, wait.

SHE GOT A TUMMY-TUCK IN JANUARY.

Told you she was jealous!!

499 Sharmuta  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 8:30:48pm

re: #494 1SG(ret)

Then I guess when your posts are less partisan, that flawed logic will go away!

I think the flawed logic will go away when you pull your head out of your ass.

500 Gus  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 8:31:53pm

re: #493 The Shadow Do

It's a fucking video!

Sure it's a video. But there's plenty of science behind it. Some people have different psychological responses to it.

501 aboo-Hoo-Hoo  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 8:32:22pm

re: #443 Sharmuta

I see. If anyone points out the hysteria of glen beck- the hysterical one is the pointer? Is that it?

The hysteria and hysteric's of Beck, et al, have been going on for a bit...in case you haven't noticed.

It is not like Beck, et al, have a new schpeel.

Listen tomorrow, I'm sure you'll note a pattern.

502 Cato the Elder  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 8:32:36pm

Bob and Johnny.

Dylan and Cash.

One night, drunk, Nashville studio.

So mote it be.

503 Sharmuta  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 8:33:33pm

re: #501 aboo-Hoo-Hoo

You didn't really answer my question. Besides beck- who is being hysterical, in your opinion?

504 SasquatchOnSteroids  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 8:33:59pm

re: #496 MandyManners

Shit adds up.

She shoots she scores !!

Sounds like she feels inadequate to me. Freud I ain't though.

505 Mad Al-Jaffee  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 8:35:03pm

I guess Henry couldn't get a slice at Ray's, Famous Ray's, Original Ray's, Famous Original Ray's, Ray's Original Famous, Original Famous Ray's or any other great NYC pizza joint back then.

506 Sharmuta  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 8:35:25pm

Shug- can't we rip on Jenny and beck? Can we not be equal opportunity mockers of the stupidly dangerous?

507 Mich-again  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 8:35:57pm

The video was interesting conjecture, but you can look at the neighborhoods in Detroit to see what actually happens when people leave. The abandoned houses eventually fall into a heap, the lots fill in with overgrown brush and new trees, packs of dogs roam the streets.
Ghettos to meadows.

508 1SG(ret)  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 8:37:10pm

re: #499 Sharmuta

Always get personnel with you. Your style I guess. I don't see a conspiracy in every stupid comment made by someone I dislike form the start. If you do then, have at it.

509 The Shadow Do  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 8:37:52pm

re: #488 yochanan

well there was the curse of the billy goat and now there is the curse of the pussey cat so wait tell next century CHICAGOSTAN FUBS.

What a lame ass team the Chicago Cubs are. They should draw an average of 15 fans per game. I don't get it now, never have.

Love a loser, how does that work? I think Sioux City should buy the team.

510 Mad Al-Jaffee  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 8:39:01pm

Charles, if you're reading this, I just noticed that I can't upding or downding and comments before the one I just posted. Is that a bug or a new feature?

511 MandyManners  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 8:39:31pm

Glenn Beck used his popular Fox News show this afternoon to attack the background of Van Jones, a White House environmental advisor who co-founded an African American political advocacy group that organized an advertising boycott of his program.

During his 2 p.m. PDT show, Beck did not address the boycott spearheaded by Color of Change to protest the talk show host’s remark last month that he believes President Obama is “a racist.”

SNIP

Beck has gone after Jones in the past. On July 28, he called the activist a "self-professed communist" and questioned the role he was playing in the administration. His latest assault on Jones came as Color of Change announced that it has secured commitments from 36 companies who have pledged not to advertise on Beck’s popular program, including Wal-Mart and Sprint. However, some of the companies never had a presence on "Glenn Beck." Representatives of Procter & Gamble and AT&T – listed by Color of Change as companies that had signed onto the boycott – told The Times that their companies did not run spots on Beck’s program to begin with.

512 yochanan  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 8:39:36pm

re: #509 The Shadow Do

MAYBE after the game they all head over to boys town for some fun.

513 Danny  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 8:39:37pm

re: #502 Cato the Elder

That's drinkin music right there. I'm guessing you like Townes, too.

514 Sharmuta  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 8:39:56pm

re: #508 1SG(ret)

You jump to conclusions about me after your earlier nastiness and except me to be nice to you? You've made assumptions about my positions, so yeah- pull your head out of your ass.

515 CapeCoddah  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 8:40:04pm

Night, all, gotta get up at 4 am and drive to providence and back. easy but early.. Like to get the clients there alive, preferably. See you folks tomorrow, and thanks again everyone, you all are just awesome.

516 Cato the Elder  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 8:41:12pm

re: #513 Danny

That's drinkin music right there. I'm guessing you like Townes, too.

Oh my God yes. And for a Tolkien fan, there is nothing like "The Silver Ships of Andilar". I've given that away and bought it again more times than I can count.

517 Sharmuta  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 8:42:41pm

re: #508 1SG(ret)

Always get personnel with you. Your style I guess. I don't see a conspiracy in every stupid comment made by someone I dislike form the start. If you do then, have at it.

1) I don't have personnel. I'm solo.
2) You were the one seeing a conspiracy in my comments.
3) You've already said you dislike me, so I think you're projecting.
4) If you're projecting- how many people do you have in your personnel?

518 1SG(ret)  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 8:42:44pm

re: #514 Sharmuta

Show me where I was nasty to you!

519 yochanan  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 8:42:51pm

CHICAGOSTAN FUBS fans learn important life lessons;

lowered expectations
differed gratification
how to choke

520 Shug  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 8:43:00pm

re: #506 Sharmuta

Shug- can't we rip on Jenny and beck? Can we not be equal opportunity mockers of the stupidly dangerous?

Absolutely we can and we should mock anything we see fit
We can't attack Beck for whipping up a Frenzy or for demonizing people, when we engage in similar behaviors for things that we don't like
If I make a comment like " Jenny McCarthy is putting Children's lives at risk for appearing on TV and convincing families to skip immunizations" I shouldn't be held responsible if some zealot reads my comment, and goes out and hurts her thinking he's saving Children in the process.

Glenn Beck isn't the boogeyman, any more than John Connor of the bohemian grove is, or ward Churchill or that guy who tried to arrest Dick Cheney in every city

Beck can't even muster enough support to keep his sponsors. The Free market will decide if his message is worth broadcasting on a major news network, of if he will be relegated to the lunatic airwaves like alex jones, etc

521 The Shadow Do  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 8:43:53pm

re: #500 Gus 802

Sure it's a video. But there's plenty of science behind it. Some people have different psychological responses to it.

Exactly my point, what with Bambi running around in Central Park and all...

People bad, Bambi good. Where from the psychological message one wonders?

522 1SG(ret)  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 8:43:58pm

re: #517 Sharmuta

Where did I say I disliked you?

523 Sharmuta  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 8:44:11pm

re: #518 1SG(ret)

Show me where I was nasty to you!

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

You were also nasty to Killgore. So- have a user name picked out for the stalker blog yet?

524 yochanan  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 8:44:49pm

re: #521 The Shadow Do

Bambi good on the GRILL

525 Danny  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 8:45:08pm

re: #516 Cato the Elder

Is it out of print?

526 Sharmuta  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 8:45:28pm

re: #520 Shug

Then why discuss anything?

527 yochanan  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 8:46:01pm

re: #525 Danny

YOUR now a tropical storm
danny tracking towards NYC.

528 Racer X  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 8:46:08pm

Hey, HEY, HEY!

Can't we all just get a bong?

529 Danny  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 8:47:04pm

re: #527 yochanan

And you thought that video was just a whimsical animation. BWAHAHAHAHAH

530 Learned Mother of Zion  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 8:47:33pm

Shit. Skunk got into a fight with the dogs next door. Have to close all the windows in the house.

531 Cato the Elder  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 8:47:41pm

re: #516 Cato the Elder

Oh my God yes. And for a Tolkien fan, there is nothing like "The Silver Ships of Andilar". I've given that away and bought it again more times than I can count.

Yet. The album is titled "The Late Great Townes van Zandt" (made while he was still alive). But it is available for reasonable prices through Amazon's third-party sellers.

532 Gus  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 8:47:53pm

re: #521 The Shadow Do

Exactly my point, what with Bambi running around in Central Park and all...

People bad, Bambi good. Where from the psychological message one wonders?

Argh, but who says that's good? It's interesting and provides a look back in time for a mere pedestrian like me but is that good? A barren natural setting might be something we admire and romanticize about but would we want to turn back the hands of time and find ourselves in such a setting without the modern conveniences, science, medicine, etc? Would the authors? I tend to doubt the latter.

533 1SG(ret)  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 8:48:02pm

re: #523 Sharmuta
What the hell is a stalker blog. I guess you think I should be blocked?

534 MandyManners  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 8:48:33pm

Fuck this.

535 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 8:48:36pm

re: #521 The Shadow Do

Exactly my point, what with Bambi running around in Central Park and all...

People bad, Bambi good. Where from the psychological message one wonders?

You don't like deer?

536 livefreeor die  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 8:48:57pm

re: #505 Mad Al-Jaffee

I guess Henry couldn't get a slice at Ray's, Famous Ray's, Original Ray's, Famous Original Ray's, Ray's Original Famous, Original Famous Ray's or any other great NYC pizza joint back then.

I had two friends in college who drove from Providence to NYC and back one Saturday night to get a Ray's pizza.

537 Danny  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 8:49:12pm

re: #531 Cato the Elder

OK right, I know which one you mean. Don't have it but I think I should.

538 The Shadow Do  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 8:49:24pm

re: #524 yochanan

Bambi good on the GRILL

Too tough that way, slow roasted, alive, on a spit.

Now that is good eatin'.

We barbarians appreciate the finer points of great cuisine!

539 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 8:49:47pm

re: #530 Alouette

Have a sympathy upding.

540 itellu3times  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 8:50:04pm

re: #510 Mad Al-Jaffee

Charles, if you're reading this, I just noticed that I can't upding or downding and comments before the one I just posted. Is that a bug or a new feature?

Did you display the thread page, then log in? If you reload the page, does that fix it?

541 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 8:50:46pm

re: #524 yochanan

Bambi good on the GRILL

I think the old-time locals would have agreed with you.

542 Shug  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 8:51:15pm

re: #526 Sharmuta

Then why discuss anything?


false dichotomy.


Pointing out an opinion that a radio show host is being given way too much presumed power over some sort of Clone Army vs having no discussion at all.

I say, mock Beck. Boycott beck. bash beck. I am not here to defend him.
My point is that he is a paranoid person, who I think tries to stir the pot to sell books and ad time. He isn't all powerful, which I get the sense a lot of people seem to believe.
and this to me is kind of the same paranoia that somebody pointed out above and was bashed for.
Beck sees an Obama boogeyman around every corner. Let's not see a Beck boogeyman similarly.
This doesn't mean you can't point out things he says that you disagree with.
That's what we do here! And that's the fun part.

543 Sharmuta  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 8:51:23pm

re: #533 1SG(ret)

I think you should knock yourself out telling people like Killgore they belong at other blogs.

544 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 8:51:25pm

re: #532 Gus 802

Argh, but who says that's good? It's interesting and provides a look back in time for a mere pedestrian like me but is that good? A barren natural setting might be something we admire and romanticize about but would we want to turn back the hands of time and find ourselves in such a setting without the modern conveniences, science, medicine, etc? Would the authors? I tend to doubt the latter.

Having spent time in the woods, I appreciate coming back to my nice, clean, civilized dwelling. I also really like being in the woods. I just don't want to live there.

545 Gus  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 8:52:29pm

re: #544 EmmmieG

Having spent time in the woods, I appreciate coming back to my nice, clean, civilized dwelling. I also really like being in the woods. I just don't want to live there.

Sometimes that's part of the appeal. When you come back to a warm bed with clean sheets. Pizza and beer taste all the better.

546 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 8:52:50pm

re: #533 1SG(ret)

What the hell is a stalker blog. I guess you think I should be blocked?

The stalker blog is called LGF 2.0. It is run by an asshole who calls himself Rodan. Charles banned his ass from here because of Rodan's repeated threats of violence. And, no, you should not be blocked. But please do be careful in how you interact with people here.

547 Killgore Trout  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 8:53:02pm

re: #543 Sharmuta

Let it go. I'm used to this stuff and Charles doesn't like squabbles.

548 Mad Al-Jaffee  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 8:53:04pm

re: #531 Cato the Elder

I've heard that Steve Earle (who named his son after Townes) recently did a tribute album to him. Haven't heard it yet.

549 Learned Mother of Zion  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 8:54:03pm

Carl added the stalker site to his blog roll in place of The Vicious Babushka.

550 yochanan  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 8:54:13pm

re: #535 SanFranciscoZionist

I like deer medium rare with wild rice

551 Mad Al-Jaffee  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 8:54:25pm

re: #540 itellu3times

Did you display the thread page, then log in? If you reload the page, does that fix it?

Reloading just worked. Thanks.

552 Killgore Trout  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 8:54:38pm

Fresh homemade Soba noodles (buckwheat noodles), slow roasted pork, homegrown green onion. Beer.
/yum

553 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 8:54:49pm

OT, if we had a topic.

I ordered from my science site today. They threw in a free break-your-own geode.

Isn't it funny how the smallest things can make you happy? Get out the hammer boys, it's clobbering time. (Actually, not really, with geodes you are better off going slow.)

554 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 8:55:16pm

re: #549 Alouette

Carl added the stalker site to his blog roll in place of The Vicious Babushka.

Classy of him.

/sarc

555 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 8:55:40pm

re: #550 yochanan

I like deer medium rare with wild rice

I've only tried deer meat once, at a barbecue. Not bad. My mother would have a fit if she knew I'd eaten Bambi's mother.

556 Sharmuta  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 8:55:50pm

re: #542 Shug

I'm sorry, my friend. My hope for the future fails me tonight. Stupidity is winning.

557 Danny  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 8:55:51pm

re: #548 Mad Al-Jaffee

Earle thinks Townes was the greatest songwriter who ever lived. I haven't heard the album yet either, but I'm sure it'll be worth the listen.

558 Racer X  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 8:56:02pm

Apples and Wine

Women are like apple trees. The best ones are at the top of the tree. Most men don't want to reach for the good ones because they are afraid of falling and getting hurt. Instead, they sometimes take the apples from the ground that aren't as good, but easy. The apples at the top think something is wrong with them, when in reality they are amazing. They just have to wait for the right man to come along, the one who is brave enough to climb all the way up to reach them.

Now men . . . men are like a fine wine. They begin as grapes, and its up to women to stomp the shit out of them until they turn into something acceptable to have dinner with.

559 1SG(ret)  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 8:56:04pm

re: #546 Dark_Falcon

So I can't have an opinion. OK, closing the hatches for now!

560 Mad Al-Jaffee  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 8:56:59pm

re: #536 livefreeor die

I had two friends in college who drove from Providence to NYC and back one Saturday night to get a Ray's pizza.

But which Ray's?

And I've heard that RI (or somewhere else New England) supposedly has the best pizza in the world. Why would they do that?! And do they have birth certificates?

561 Sharmuta  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 8:57:07pm

re: #547 Killgore Trout

Let it go. I'm used to this stuff and Charles doesn't like squabbles.

I'm not the only person sick of seeing Killgore bashing. I know I don't need to defend you, but damn- I get sick of it.

562 The Shadow Do  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 8:57:09pm

re: #550 yochanan

I like deer medium rare with wild rice


turn 'em into sausage, with beer of course. Just as nature intended.

563 Racer X  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 8:58:00pm

re: #552 Killgore Trout

Fresh homemade Soba noodles (buckwheat noodles), slow roasted pork, homegrown green onion. Beer.
/yum

What kinda beer?

564 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 8:58:35pm

re: #555 SanFranciscoZionist

I've only tried deer meat once, at a barbecue. Not bad. My mother would have a fit if she knew I'd eaten Bambi's mother.

My mother married a hunter. One year they hung Dad's deer in the shed to "age." (You've probably never seen this, so I'll describe it. The legs are off, the skin is off, except for the head, which is still attached.)

She forgot it was there. She went out to take something out, early morning, in her bathrobe, and bumped into it.

Dad eats all the venison alone now.

565 yochanan  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 8:58:51pm

re: #562 The Shadow Do

i once had venison stand rib was great. no need to grind and stuff it into casing

566 livefreeor die  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 8:58:58pm

re: #553 EmmmieG

OT, if we had a topic.

I ordered from my science site today. They threw in a free break-your-own geode.

Isn't it funny how the smallest things can make you happy? Get out the hammer boys, it's clobbering time. (Actually, not really, with geodes you are better off going slow.)

If anyone is looking for a great activity for a Cub Scout meeting, the break-your-own geodes are perfect. The boys love pounding on things and watching to see what each boy "gets" in his geode.

567 Killgore Trout  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 8:59:04pm

re: #563 Racer X

Blue Moon Belgian White Ale.
Not bad and cheap.

568 Racer X  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 8:59:34pm

re: #567 Killgore Trout

Blue Moon Belgian White Ale.
Not bad and cheap.

Nice!

569 Danny  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 8:59:37pm

re: #567 Killgore Trout

Tasty!

570 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 8:59:41pm

re: #566 livefreeor die

If anyone is looking for a great activity for a Cub Scout meeting, the break-your-own geodes are perfect. The boys love pounding on things and watching to see what each boy "gets" in his geode.

I have never yet met an 8 year-old boy who does not have a rock collection.

571 Shug  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 8:59:44pm

re: #556 Sharmuta

I'm sorry, my friend. My hope for the future fails me tonight. Stupidity is winning.

It absolutely is not.
Have faith in your fellow Americans.
Beck has what, 1 million viewers, and half of them are TV junkies who watch Fox News all day, no matter who is on.
and 99% of the rest hear what he says, and ignore the crazy part.

Stupidity is not winning. ( except for last November )


Keep your Chin up. America will still be that shining city on the Hill when the current batch of us are long gone

572 Racer X  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 9:00:25pm

A little testy here tonight. I post a very mild joke and it gets down dinged?

*searching for a really bad joke now*

573 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 9:00:29pm

re: #559 1SG(ret)

So I can't have an opinion. OK, closing the hatches for now!

I didn't say that. It's fine to have an opinion, but be careful to know when your expression of same is bothering other people.

574 Dancing along the light of day  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 9:01:06pm

re: #530 Alouette

Put a couple of shallow bowls with ammonia in them, around the house where they will not get knocked over. It will absorb the smell. Open the windows for fresh air, when you can...

575 austin_blue  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 9:01:25pm

Good evening, Lizrads!

I've been out of pocket earlier today, where, apparently, socks have appeared for the specific purpose of jamming the late Senator Kennedy up the patootie for the sole purpose of being banned. I'm a Texas Dem, so I come from it from a different direction, obviously.

God bless Teddy. A friend of mine, Bob Mann here in Austin, used to be his press flack. He describes Teddy as a functional drunk, a brilliant legislator, and a man who bent over backwards to make the deal. In addition, he had two brothers assassinated. I will throw this up on the board as a reminder of just how much he paid for a moment of personal weakness. This is probably the most brutal piece of political commentary of the 1970's, via the National Lampoon:

Image: tedvwsmall.jpg

Be sure to read the copy.

576 livefreeor die  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 9:01:35pm

re: #560 Mad Al-Jaffee

But which Ray's?

And I've heard that RI (or somewhere else New England) supposedly has the best pizza in the world. Why would they do that?! And do they have birth certificates?

1. Don't know which Ray's.
2. RI does not have the best pizza in the world. Trust me. Four years of college there proved it.
3. Birth certificates-HOO NOES?

577 Shug  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 9:02:00pm

re: #567 Killgore Trout

Blue Moon Belgian White Ale.
Not bad and cheap.


It's good stuff, especially when you get it super cold

578 Dancing along the light of day  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 9:03:16pm

re: #552 Killgore Trout

Soba noodle recipe for the cookbook???

579 Sharmuta  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 9:03:25pm

re: #558 Racer X

re: #571 Shug

Maybe another time I will believe both of you.

580 The Shadow Do  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 9:03:37pm

re: #565 yochanan

i once had venison stand rib was great. no need to grind and stuff it into casing

OK, I admit it, I am a Bovinist.

If it don't moo, I don't chew.

If it bleats, I don't eats.

581 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 9:04:27pm

re: #580 The Shadow Do

OK, I admit it, I am a Bovinist.

If it don't moo, I don't chew.

If it bleats, I don't eats.

What if it clucks? (Okay, lets get technical. It used to moo. It used to cluck. If it's still doing either, stop chewing.)

582 Mich-again  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 9:05:02pm

re: #566 livefreeor die

A good easy activity is to bring in a bunch of old electronic stuff that doesn't work anymore and have the kids dismantle it piece by piece with screwdrivers and pliers. Sounds stupid but the kids have a blast and you can teach them about how things work.

583 Shug  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 9:05:02pm

re: #579 Sharmuta

re: #571 Shug

Maybe another time I will believe both of you.

hope so

584 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 9:05:16pm

re: #564 EmmmieG

My mother married a hunter. One year they hung Dad's deer in the shed to "age." (You've probably never seen this, so I'll describe it. The legs are off, the skin is off, except for the head, which is still attached.)

She forgot it was there. She went out to take something out, early morning, in her bathrobe, and bumped into it.

Dad eats all the venison alone now.

Yeah, that might tend to turn one off the venison...

585 Bobblehead  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 9:05:50pm

There's an interesting thread at Big Hollywood that asks readers to name the 5 movies they would "foist" on the American public if they were asked to be a guest programmer on TCM. I don't think I could narrow it down to 5.

586 Bobblehead  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 9:06:37pm

re: #567 Killgore Trout

Blue Moon Belgian White Ale.
Not bad and cheap.

Good choice.

587 Mad Al-Jaffee  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 9:06:43pm

re: #576 livefreeor die


2. RI does not have the best pizza in the world. Trust me. Four years of college there proved it.


Actually, I think it might be New Haven, Connecticut, that's the home of coal-fired pizza.. But I'm not sure.

588 The Shadow Do  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 9:06:58pm

re: #581 EmmmieG

What if it clucks? (Okay, lets get technical. It used to moo. It used to cluck. If it's still doing either, stop chewing.)

LOL!

who am I kidding, I'll eat pretty much any damn thing. Cluck? you're dead, etc.

589 Shug  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 9:06:59pm

re: #585 Bobblehead

There's an interesting thread at Big Hollywood that asks readers to name the 5 movies they would "foist" on the American public if they were asked to be a guest programmer on TCM. I don't think I could narrow it down to 5.

oh that's easy.

Friday the 13th part 1,2,3,4,5
/

590 Learned Mother of Zion  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 9:07:05pm

I feel the ambien kicking in. Weet dreams everyone!

591 jaunte  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 9:07:48pm

Hello everybody. Phoenix was really hot today.

592 The Shadow Do  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 9:08:30pm

re: #591 jaunte

Hello everybody. Phoenix was really hot today.

No shit?

593 jaunte  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 9:09:03pm

re: #592 The Shadow Do

Bottom stories of the day, for sure.

594 The Shadow Do  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 9:10:06pm

re: #593 jaunte

Bottom stories of the day, for sure.

Warm in Dallas today too. No shit.

595 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 9:12:20pm

re: #591 jaunte

Hello everybody. Phoenix was really hot today.

Chicago was cool and rainy. My day went to crap. I lost a big sale because customer care gave the customer bad information.

596 Killgore Trout  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 9:12:34pm

re: #578 Floral Giraffe

Soba noodle recipe for the cookbook???

Nope. I'm doing an Udon Noodle recipe.

597 Bobblehead  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 9:12:45pm

re: #589 Shug

oh that's easy.

Friday the 13th part 1,2,3,4,5
/

And just think, you'd get to expound on all the reasons those five are close to your heart.

598 Mich-again  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 9:12:48pm

re: #591 jaunte

Hello everybody. Phoenix was really hot today.

It was cool and rainy here again. We only had a handful of days where it hit the 90's all summer. Its been spectacular weather really. The AC has only made sporadic appearances. Heck the windows are closed now because its too cold outside.

599 midwestgak  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 9:13:02pm

re: #591 jaunte

Hello everybody. Phoenix was really hot today.

Hi jaunte. I'm not usually up this late. Can't sleep so thought I would hang here. You okay? no shit?//sarc

600 austin_blue  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 9:13:27pm

re: #594 The Shadow Do

Warm in Dallas today too. No shit.

104 in Austin. Got a late shower that blew out over the north side of town. Only .03 in the gauge.

601 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 9:14:08pm

re: #600 austin_blue

104 in Austin. Got a late shower that blew out over the north side of town. Only .03 in the gauge.

Hello, austin. How many meltdowns were there today?

602 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 9:14:23pm

re: #600 austin_blue

104 in Austin. Got a late shower that blew out over the north side of town. Only .03 in the gauge.

It was never the 104 in August that bugged me. It was the 99 in October that bothered me.

603 RexMundi  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 9:14:50pm

meh. I love Manhattan so much in its current state that I can't be bothered to care about how it used to be. Trees aren't that interesting, nor is a treeline to a forest nearly as unique as the Manhattan skyline is today.

604 jaunte  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 9:15:33pm

re: #599 midwestgak

I had to go out to Phoenix from Houston yesterday for a meeting this morning.
Hadn't been out in the desert in summer for a long time; it's not as stifling as Houston, just oven-like.
It's supposed to be 111 out there tomorrow.

605 The Shadow Do  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 9:16:38pm

re: #595 Dark_Falcon


customer care


Good one. As a sales person, the worst thing you can do is put your client in touch with that so special service representative. Customer care. Heh.

606 austin_blue  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 9:17:04pm

re: #601 Dark_Falcon

Hello, austin. How many meltdowns were there today?

Plenty. We have gone on stage 2 drought restrictions because the levels in Lake Travis have gone so low (45% of capacity). $400 dollar fines if you are found running an automated sprinkler system during the week days.

607 austin_blue  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 9:18:48pm

re: #602 EmmmieG

It was never the 104 in August that bugged me. It was the 99 in October that bothered me.

Hah! I remember the 100 degree day in February a couple of years back. Freak-show weather.

608 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 9:20:35pm

re: #607 austin_blue

Hah! I remember the 100 degree day in February a couple of years back. Freak-show weather.

First year we owned our house in Pflugerville. Would have been in February 1996. 99 to 29 in one week.

609 The Shadow Do  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 9:21:40pm

re: #602 EmmmieG

It was never the 104 in August that bugged me. It was the 99 in October that bothered me.

My company moved me and my family to Dallas some years back from Colorado. We arrived in June. The daily high did not fall below 100F until mid September. My wife hates me. I moved her straight to hell and I have no argument to the contrary.

610 Racer X  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 9:21:58pm

A man walked into a very high-tech bar. As he sat down on a stool he noticed that the bartender was a robot. The robot clicked to attention and asked, "Sir, what will you have?"

The man thought a moment then replied, "A martini please." The robot clicked a couple of times and mixed the best martini the man had ever had. The robot then asked, "Sir, what is your IQ?" The man answered "oh, about 164." The robot then proceeded to discuss the 'theory of relativity', 'inter-steller space travel', 'the latest medical break throughs', etc...

The man was most impressed. He left the bar but thought he would try a different tact.. He returned and took a seat. Again the robot clicked and asked what he would have? "A Martini please." Again it was superb. The robot again asked "what is your IQ sir?" This time the man answered, "Oh about 100". So the robot started discussing NASCAR racing, the latest basketball scores, and what to expect the Dodgers to do this weekend.

The guy thought this was fun and he had to try it one more time. So he left, returned and took a stool... Again a martini, and the question, "What is your IQ?"?? This time the man drawled out "Uh... bout 50".

The robot clicked then leaned close and very slowly asked, "A-r-e y-o-u p-e-o-p-l-e s-t-i-l-l h-a-p-p-y w-i-t-h O-B-A-M-A?

611 Cato the Elder  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 9:22:23pm

If Bobby D. can be the voice on my GPS, why not on my Mac, too?

Switchover from EDT to EST or vice versa: "For the tiiimes, they are a-changin'..."

Software update: "Stuck inside of Leopard with the Snowcrash blues again..."

Pr0n alert: "Cinderella, she looks so easy...it takes one to know one, she smiles..."

Furious with Apple, ready to hurl your puter to the wall: "...what I heard, that love is just a four-letter word..."

Ready to give up the internet altogether: "You must leave now, take what you need, you think will last..."

Dissing stalkers: "It ain't me, babe, no no no it ain't me, babe, it ain't me you're lookin' for, babe..."

Farewell to an embarrassing admirer: "You just kinda wasted my precious time..."

ad lib.

612 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 9:23:11pm

re: #606 austin_blue

Plenty. We have gone on stage 2 drought restrictions because the levels in Lake Travis have gone so low (45% of capacity). $400 dollar fines if you are found running an automated sprinkler system during the week days.

I meant LGF meltdowns. Nasty restrictions though, hope you get some rain soon.

613 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 9:24:39pm

G'night all. Hope better weather comes your (our) way.

614 Dr. Shalit  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 9:25:56pm

OK Everyone -

Took time off to listen to "Bossa Nova" on YouTube. Still as great as it WAS in the early 1960's. Of the "BRIC" Nations, Brazil is our Natural Southern Partner.
Trust Me on this one.

-S-

615 austin_blue  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 9:26:26pm

re: #608 EmmmieG

First year we owned our house in Pflugerville. Would have been in February 1996. 99 to 29 in one week.

Well, that's why folks say if you don't like Texas weather, wait a week. I'd like to say that this summer has been that way, but no, it has just been brutal. You can tolerate 102 or 103 with this humidity, but when it gets to be 104 or above, you just want to crawl inside your house and huddle. Nasty.

616 Dr. Shalit  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 9:31:20pm

re: #615 austin_blue

austin_blue -

Try Florida - If you don't like the weather - wait 20 minutes.

-S-

617 Cato the Elder  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 9:31:22pm

re: #549 Alouette

Carl added the stalker site to his blog roll in place of The Vicious Babushka.

Nice. He can shove his periodical uplifting emails where the sun don't shine.

618 The Shadow Do  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 9:32:50pm

Disgusting media metric for the day:
Four British soldiers die for sake of 150 votes

Brit media is really pushing this shit while the Obama admin gets a pass. whataworld

619 Cato the Elder  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 9:33:37pm

re: #557 Danny

Earle thinks Townes was the greatest songwriter who ever lived. I haven't heard the album yet either, but I'm sure it'll be worth the listen.

Don't know 'bout that, but he was a genius. I would have been happy to buy him a dime bag, if that's what he needed.

620 Karridine  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 9:33:45pm

re: #542 Shug

I read some radio-listener statistics today in an article discounting Keith Olbermann's self-perceived Number One broadcast position, and Olbermann came in next to last, 1million listeners compared to Glenn Beck above him and others above Beck

And another comment here @LGF noted that the advertisers who DID shift have NOT stopped buying advertising time from Fox, but have merely made a cosmetic shift so they're not explicitly connecting their products with Becks ultra-spin shtick...

Bottom line: Beck STILL has strong advertising and good demographics, so he's selling air time AND advertisers' products, Shug... *all this in support of yr comments*

621 austin_blue  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 9:34:04pm

re: #612 Dark_Falcon

I meant LGF meltdowns. Nasty restrictions though, hope you get some rain soon.

Oh. I was paging through the Teddy Kennedy thread and there were two or three "Hi Sock! Bye Sock!" stinky stick whacks, along with two or three long time members who took the stick.

Sad, isn't it? That was a man who worked both sides of the aisle and gained the respect of his Republican colleagues.

622 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 9:34:24pm

re: #617 Cato the Elder

Nice. He can shove his periodical uplifting emails where the sun don't shine.

Quite Concur. How are, Cato. The Palin thread earlier most likely gave you a great deal of rhyme fodder. Any verses you'd care to share?

623 charlesincharge  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 9:34:59pm

re: #26 Charles

There seem to be a number of "conservatives" enraged at me because I wouldn't allow bashing of Ted Kennedy on the day of his death, and I would like to take this opportunity to release a statement on this matter:

Bite me.

Thank you, Charles. For keeping this place classy. I'm not easily offended, growing up with four brothers tends to thicken ones skin. I was very offended back when Daniel Schorr was doing commentary,on CNN, during R.M. Nixon's funeral.

Casket on caisson being horse drawn, live on TV, down Pennsylvania Ave. Daniel Schorr spewing such vitriol. I promised myself I would never let politics turn me into such a monster.

I'm sure Mr. Kennedy has many family members suffering from the loss, I prey for them in their grief.

624 The Shadow Do  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 9:35:39pm

Real US unemployment rate at 16 pct: Fed official
And on that happy note I am off to bed.

625 austin_blue  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 9:35:56pm

re: #616 Dr. Shalit

austin_blue -

Try Florida - If you don't like the weather - wait 20 minutes.

-S-

Yes, well everyone has that mantra. I will agree that Florida weather is probably the most variable in any average period of time. Water all around...

626 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 9:36:27pm

re: #621 austin_blue

Oh. I was paging through the Teddy Kennedy thread and there were two or three "Hi Sock! Bye Sock!" stinky stick whacks, along with two or three long time members who took the stick.

Sad, isn't it? That was a man who worked both sides of the aisle and gained the respect of his Republican colleagues.

It was sad to watch. Some people are so blinded by ideology that they can no longer appreciate the other side's humanity.

627 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 9:38:11pm

re: #620 Karridine

I read some radio-listener statistics today in an article discounting Keith Olbermann's self-perceived Number One broadcast position, and Olbermann came in next to last, 1million listeners compared to Glenn Beck above him and others above Beck

And another comment here @LGF noted that the advertisers who DID shift have NOT stopped buying advertising time from Fox, but have merely made a cosmetic shift so they're not explicitly connecting their products with Becks ultra-spin shtick...

Bottom line: Beck STILL has strong advertising and good demographics, so he's selling air time AND advertisers' products, Shug... *all this in support of yr comments*

Olbermann is indeed a loser. Glen Beck is crazy but he does beat Olbermann like government mule in the ratings. MSNBC = EPIC FAIL.

628 Karridine  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 9:38:27pm

"There seem to be a number of "conservatives" enraged at me because I wouldn't allow bashing of Ted Kennedy on the day of his death..."
2-minute items in all the morning news reports here in Thai-language Bangkok... briefest of recaps, pix him with JFK & RFK... nothing Chappaquiddick... but nothing foamingly-laudatory...

629 Cato the Elder  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 9:38:56pm

re: #622 Dark_Falcon

Quite Concur. How are, Cato. The Palin thread earlier most likely gave you a great deal of rhyme fodder. Any verses you'd care to share?

O aye.

Comin' up.

Satire on meself.

630 midwestgak  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 9:39:04pm

re: #623 charlesincharge


I'm sure Mr. Kennedy has many family members suffering from the loss, I prey for them in their grief.

Bye bye prey./// sarc sarc

631 Dancing along the light of day  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 9:40:08pm

re: #596 Killgore Trout

You could do two? Pretty please?

632 Danny  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 9:40:28pm

re: #628 Karridine

Even the tribute on PBS tonight included Chappaquiddick.

633 Racer X  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 9:40:51pm

You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity by legislating the wealthy out of prosperity. What one person receives without working for, another person must work for without receiving. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else.

When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them, and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for, that my dear friend, is the beginning of the end of any nation. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it.”

- Adrian Rogers, 1931

634 Racer X  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 9:42:10pm

Zepparella - Kasmir - Live in San Francisco, 5/24/09

635 Cato the Elder  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 9:42:34pm

Y'all know what?

de mortuis nil nisi bene is a fundamental ethic. When you're dead, you can't pay a debt.

As one day thou woldst 'counted be
So keep thy judgement unto thee

636 Karridine  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 9:42:56pm

re: #632 Danny

Couldn't do it here, Danny, not in a 10 minute tribute, maybe in a 30-minute retrospective, but the ramifications and implications are just to broad, too many and too important to encapsulate into a 20-second soundbyte as part of a 2-minute news item...

637 Racer X  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 9:44:09pm

"The way to crush the bourgeoisie is to grind them between the millstones of taxation and inflation."

Who said it?

638 charlesincharge  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 9:44:24pm

re: #630 midwestgak

I'm sure Mr. Kennedy has many family members suffering from the loss, I prey for them in their grief.

Bye bye prey./// sarc sarc

HaHa, gak. Good catch. I did mean prAy. PIMF but is not idiot proof.

639 Desert Dog  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 9:45:03pm

re: #637 Racer X

"The way to crush the bourgeoisie is to grind them between the millstones of taxation and inflation."

Who said it?

Lenin

640 Karridine  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 9:45:03pm

re: #633 Racer X

A thousand updings, Racer! EXCELLENT quote, excellent observation by Rogers!

641 Cato the Elder  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 9:45:11pm

re: #629 Cato the Elder

Here ye go, all Cato's friends and foes:

A backsassy old satyr named [Cato's real name]
Used to rip sacred cows till they bled.
He at last met his match
When the dread Bandersnatch
And the Jabberwock bashed in his head.

642 Racer X  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 9:47:04pm

re: #639 Desert Dog

Lenin

Correct!

I would have guessed Nancy or Harry.

643 Irenicum  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 9:47:20pm

Hey gang, one step closer to seminary. Got a call today. Some clarification issues. I kinda applied for the wrong degree. Oops! I applied for the ThM when I shoulda applied for an MA in Th. I guess I'm not a detail guy! Anyway, they told to start applying for housing and financial aid. I'm not yet "accepted" but it's looking good! Gotta start my fafsa!

644 Cato the Elder  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 9:47:35pm

re: #637 Racer X

"The way to crush the bourgeoisie is to grind them between the millstones of taxation and inflation."

Who said it?

Who cares? We all know that in the US the bourgeoisie have without exception been reduced to Wal-Mart greeters. You should rejoice.

645 Cato the Elder  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 9:48:18pm

re: #643 Irenicum

St Mary's in Baltimore, by any chance?

646 Killian Bundy  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 9:49:37pm

PA judge: Jews have no history in J'lem

The Palestinian Authority's chief Islamic judge, Sheikh Tayseer Rajab Tamimi, said on Wednesday that there was no evidence to back up claims that Jews had ever lived in Jerusalem or that the Temple ever existed.

Tamimi's announcement came in response to statements made earlier this week by Prime Minister Binyamin Netanyahu, who said that Jerusalem "is not a settlement," and that "the Jews built it 3,000 years ago."

"Netanyahu's claims are baseless and untrue," said Tamimi, the highest religious authority in the PA. "Jerusalem is an Arab and Islamic city and it always has been so."

/well, I guess that settles that

647 midwestgak  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 9:49:48pm

re: #638 charlesincharge

HaHa, gak. Good catch. I did mean prAy. PIMF but is not idiot proof.

Karma: 3


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So good of you to join in after almost 5 years.

648 Desert Dog  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 9:50:10pm

re: #644 Cato the Elder

Who cares? We all know that in the US the bourgeoisie have without exception been reduced to Wal-Mart greeters. You should rejoice.

What are you talking about? We are all sitting in our Fema trailers waiting for Uncle Barack to take care of us.

649 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 9:52:19pm

re: #647 midwestgak

Karma: 3

charlesincharge
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So good of you to join in after almost 5 years.

Hey, cut mr. Baio a break, would 'ya?

/reference of the show

650 austin_blue  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 9:52:23pm

re: #626 Dark_Falcon

It was sad to watch. Some people are so blinded by ideology that they can no longer appreciate the other side's humanity.

Absolutely! You and I would probably disagree on many points of discourse, but on other things, we would trade tips.

A public option on health care? You are nay and I am yea. A proper weapon for home defense? We would probably agree that a 12-gauge pump with 2-shot is appropriate.

A complete overhaul of tort costs as part of an expansion of the existing public options in health care? I am right there with you.

It is that common ground that we need to explore without SCREAMING AT THE TOP OF OUR LUNGS.

And thank you for your consideration. I appreciate it. Anything that takes the temperature down on this board is a good thing.

651 Killgore Trout  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 9:54:26pm

re: #631 Floral Giraffe

Soba is easy: I'll give you a freebee...
Use dried Soba noodles
Or make your own (mix about 1 cup of buckwheat flour, 1/2 cup of white flour, 1 teaspoon salt. add water and knead until you have a firm dough. Feed through one of those hand cranked pasta machines and cut with the spaghetti attachment.)

boil noodles for 2 minutes (they cook quick)
strain noodles and rinse with water until the noodles become room temp.

toss noodles in a bowl with a little bit of soy sauce, wasabi (optional) sliced green onion, and a few thin slices of pork.

It's also really good with mussels or rare grilled tuna.

652 Irenicum  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 9:54:36pm

re: #645 Cato the Elder

Sorry, no. Though I do love Baltimore. It's Gordon Conwell just north of Boston. Lord willing I should be living there in two weeks. I'm not going for an MDiv. instead I'm going for a more academic degree; since I love to read, write and research and teach. Eventually, I hope to get a PhD to be a prof. We'll see. One step at a time!

653 Irenicum  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 9:55:29pm

re: #646 Killian Bundy

So what does this asshole say about the Western Wall?

654 charlesincharge  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 9:56:00pm

re: #643 Irenicum

Hey gang, one step closer to seminary. Got a call today. Some clarification issues. I kinda applied for the wrong degree. Oops! I applied for the ThM when I shoulda applied for an MA in Th. I guess I'm not a detail guy! Anyway, they told to start applying for housing and financial aid. I'm not yet "accepted" but it's looking good! Gotta start my fafsa!

re: #643 Irenicum

Hey gang, one step closer to seminary. Got a call today. Some clarification issues. I kinda applied for the wrong degree. Oops! I applied for the ThM when I shoulda applied for an MA in Th. I guess I'm not a detail guy! Anyway, they told to start applying for housing and financial aid. I'm not yet "accepted" but it's looking good! Gotta start my fafsa!

Premature congrats, break a leg and all that. I have a strong feeling you will get what you want in life and a lot more. Sometimes I'm good at this stuff.

655 Desert Dog  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 9:56:35pm

Hey, don't worry, it's only 10 Trillion...we can pay that back, no problem!

Don't Panic Over the New Deficit Numbers

656 Cato the Elder  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 9:56:40pm

re: #652 Irenicum

My nick is blue. Send me a note - I'll visit you.

ad maiorem dei gloriam - per aspera ad astra

657 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 9:57:20pm

re: #653 Irenicum

So what does this asshole say about the Western Wall?

You mean the exposed foundation of Al-Aqsa, that the Jews are constantly trying to tunnel under? That wall?

/

658 Karridine  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 9:57:23pm

re: #653 Irenicum

He didn't lean on the subject nor did he let it hold in his well-formed deliberations. He did say, however, that whalebone was a kffir invention for women's corsets, and no true Muslim would believe int the Whailing Wall...

659 charlesincharge  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 9:57:34pm

re: #647 midwestgak

Karma: 3

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So good of you to join in after almost 5 years.

Some peoples think I'm shy.

660 Gus  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 9:57:56pm

re: #648 Desert Dog

What are you talking about? We are all sitting in our Fema trailers waiting for Uncle Barack to take care of us.

The FEMA camps are all part of the De-Urbanization Process. Once they control radio through the FCC and the Sekrit-FCC-Czar and HR 3200 passes they'll be able to pacify the citizens into going to the Death-Panels to be liquefied. The radio station will be called Air-America. Liquefaction for the de-urbanization process will take place at the FEMA camps. Once finished we can return the urban landscape to its original state as it was in 1609.

At least that's what I heard on the Glenn Beck show.

//

661 Desert Dog  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 9:58:23pm

re: #653 Irenicum

So what does this asshole say about the Western Wall?

You mean the basement of the Al-Aqsa Mosque? That's where Mohammed stores his snow tires and Ramadan decorations. It's the 1,345,000 holiest place in Islam.

662 Desert Dog  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 9:59:05pm

re: #660 Gus 802

The FEMA camps are all part of the De-Urbanization Process. Once they control radio through the FCC and the Sekrit-FCC-Czar and HR 3200 passes they'll be able to pacify the citizens into going to the Death-Panels to be liquefied. The radio station will be called Air-America. Liquefaction for the de-urbanization process will take place at the FEMA camps. Once finished we can return the urban landscape to its original state as it was in 1609.

At least that's what I heard on the Glenn Beck show.

//

It must be true then. I will welcome my new UN overlords!

663 Irenicum  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 9:59:13pm

re: #654 charlesincharge

Thanks! I appreciate that!

664 Desert Dog  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 9:59:35pm

re: #657 SanFranciscoZionist

gmta

665 Racer X  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 9:59:38pm
666 realwest  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 9:59:42pm

Good morning y'all - just stopped by while my meds get started working and see how you all are doing.
So how are all y'all doing?

667 Gus  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 9:59:50pm

re: #662 Desert Dog

It must be true then. I will welcome my new UN overlords!

Run for the hills! They all speak French!

//

668 Karridine  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 10:00:34pm

re: #667 Gus 802

Fortunately I took French in high school...

...50 years ago

669 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 10:01:25pm

re: #660 Gus 802

The FEMA camps are all part of the De-Urbanization Process. Once they control radio through the FCC and the Sekrit-FCC-Czar and HR 3200 passes they'll be able to pacify the citizens into going to the Death-Panels to be liquefied. The radio station will be called Air-America. Liquefaction for the de-urbanization process will take place at the FEMA camps. Once finished we can return the urban landscape to its original state as it was in 1609.

At least that's what I heard on the Glenn Beck show.

//

I have a nearly overwhelming urge to start saying snarky things about how that should suit Beck fan Sarah Palin, since her whole campaign was basically about the moral corruption of elitist city dwellers.

I'm trying to tamp it down.

670 Gus  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 10:01:42pm

re: #668 Karridine

Fortunately I took French in high school...

...50 years ago

Do you remember much French?

671 Gus  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 10:02:57pm

re: #669 SanFranciscoZionist

I have a nearly overwhelming urge to start saying snarky things about how that should suit Beck fan Sarah Palin, since her whole campaign was basically about the moral corruption of elitist city dwellers.

I'm trying to tamp it down.

Shh! Don't tell anyone. Holdren, et al, are really sekrit double agents.

//

672 realwest  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 10:03:49pm

re: #669 SanFranciscoZionist

I have a nearly overwhelming urge to start saying snarky things about how that should suit Beck fan Sarah Palin, since her whole campaign was basically about the moral corruption of elitist city dwellers.

I'm trying to tamp it down.


Ooops, for a moment there I'd thought I'd stumbled into the wrong thread. Further reading of the above comments convinced me I was wrong about that.

673 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 10:04:13pm

re: #669 SanFranciscoZionist

I have a nearly overwhelming urge to start saying snarky things about how that should suit Beck fan Sarah Palin, since her whole campaign was basically about the moral corruption of elitist city dwellers.

I'm trying to tamp it down.

Well, she has taken that tack, but to be fair, well before she did that the urban-based MSM set out to paint her as a stupid hick. I suppose a hostile and opposite reaction was somewhat inevitable.

674 Racer X  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 10:04:27pm

An 86-year-old man went to his doctor for his quarterly check-up...

The doctor asked him how he was feeling, and the 86-year-old said, 'Things are great and I've never felt better.' I now have a 20 year-old bride who is pregnant with my child. "So what do you think about that then Doc ?"

The doctor considered his question for a minute and then began to tell a story. "I have an older friend , much like you, who is an avid hunter and never misses a season." One day he was setting off to go hunting. In a bit of a hurry , he accidentally picked up his walking cane instead of his gun."

"As he neared a lake , he came across a very large male beaver sitting at the water's edge. He realized he'd left his gun at home and so he couldn't shoot the magnificent creature... Out of habit he raised his cane , aimed it at the animal as if it were his favorite hunting rifle and went 'bang, bang'." "Miraculously , two shots rang out and the beaver fell over dead.

Now, what do you think of that ?" asked the doctor.

The 86-year-old said , "Logic would strongly suggest that somebody else pumped a couple of rounds into that beaver."
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675 austin_blue  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 10:04:44pm

re: #651 Killgore Trout

Soba is easy: I'll give you a freebee...
Use dried Soba noodles
Or make your own (mix about 1 cup of buckwheat flour, 1/2 cup of white flour, 1 teaspoon salt. add water and knead until you have a firm dough. Feed through one of those hand cranked pasta machines and cut with the spaghetti attachment.)

boil noodles for 2 minutes (they cook quick)
strain noodles and rinse with water until the noodles become room temp.

toss noodles in a bowl with a little bit of soy sauce, wasabi (optional) sliced green onion, and a few thin slices of pork.

It's also really good with mussels or rare grilled tuna.

Soba...hmmm...

676 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 10:06:09pm

re: #668 Karridine

Fortunately I took French in high school...

...50 years ago

Almost twenty years in my case. I'm not sure I can negotiate for extra cabbage rations effectively.

Let's see: Si vous me donnez un chou supplémentaire je passerai la nuit avec vous.

677 LudwigVanQuixote  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 10:06:48pm

re: #646 Killian Bundy

PA judge: Jews have no history in J'lem

/well, I guess that settles that

Now I really do have to write a small rant about this one. Yes this is untrue. Yes every educated person knows it is untrue. Certainly anyone who has ever read a bible knows it is untrue.

However... How insulting can you get? Is this evil revisionism just another narrative... I am waiting for some person in the Obama circle to grease this garbage in such a frame.

Let me put this very seriously.

Jerusalem is the capital city and spiritual center of my people. It was consecrated by our G-d and our kings millennia before Mohammed ever lived. It is the City of David my ancestor. It is ours. We are home. We are not leaving.

We did not shed our blood and two thousand years of tears and prayers to give it over to the likes of Abbas or anyone else.

What would anyone say to someone who built a lie again and again that America had no claim to Washington? And let us be fair. What is Washington to America in comparison to what Jerusalem means to the Jewish people? Washington is a secular capital. It is not a spiritual center.

I know for certain that if some barbarians were trying to take Washington, I would see it as my duty to meet them with a rifle as it is. HOw much more so Jerusalem?

NO, I see things like that and I know in my bones that the P.A. does not want peace. Such a statement is the deepest declaration of war.

I do not want endless war with the Arabs, but, if they force it into the hands of my people, I know who is right, and I know who I pray wins.

I also know that it is not for the Arabs to take Jerusalem away. But that is a matter of faith.

[Link: www.aish.com...]

678 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 10:08:08pm

re: #673 Dark_Falcon

Well, she has taken that tack, but to be fair, well before she did that the urban-based MSM set out to paint her as a stupid hick. I suppose a hostile and opposite reaction was somewhat inevitable.

Perhaps--but I started to lose it when Rudy Giuliani started to talk about the quiet, strong, salt-of-the-earthishness of the folks from our small towns.

I'm sure he meant well, but it was a weird moment.

679 Cato the Elder  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 10:09:09pm

Well little Zoe the stray now rests with her ancestors, wolves, guard dogs, faithful friends. I will bury her ashes in my front yard.

Most High, all-powerful, all-good Lord,
All praise is Yours, all glory, all honour and all blessings.
To you alone, Most High, do they belong,
and no mortal lips are worthy to pronounce Your Name.

Praised be You my Lord with all Your creatures,
especially Sir Brother Sun,
Who is the day through whom You give us light.
And he is beautiful and radiant with great splendour,
Of You Most High, he bears the likeness.

Praised be You, my Lord, through Sister Moon and the stars,
In the heavens you have made them bright, precious and fair.

Praised be You, my Lord, through Brothers Wind and Air,
And fair and stormy, all weather's moods,
by which You cherish all that You have made.

Praised be You my Lord through Sister Water,
So useful, humble, precious and pure.

Praised be You my Lord through Brother Fire,
through whom You light the night
and he is beautiful and playful and robust and strong.

Praised be You my Lord through our Sister,
Mother Earth who sustains and governs us,
producing varied fruits with coloured flowers and herbs.
Praised be You my Lord through those who grant pardon
for love of You and bear sickness and trial.
Blessed are those who endure in peace,
By You Most High, they will be crowned.

Praised be You, my Lord through Sister Death,
from whom no-one living can escape.
Woe to those who die in mortal sin!
Blessed are they She finds doing Your Will.
No second death can do them harm.

Praise and bless my Lord and give Him thanks,
And serve Him with great humility.

680 Irenicum  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 10:10:06pm

re: #656 Cato the Elder

I sent you a note!

681 realwest  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 10:10:57pm

re: #677 LudwigVanQuixote
May I respectfully direct your attention to Nekamma's Troll Hammer - upper left side of the page, under
"Resources".

682 itellu3times  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 10:11:15pm

re: #637 Racer X

"The way to crush the bourgeoisie is to grind them between the millstones of taxation and inflation."

Who said it?

Bernanke?
Rahm Emanuel?
Geithner?

/maybe none of them said it *first* but

683 austin_blue  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 10:11:40pm

re: #673 Dark_Falcon

Well, she has taken that tack, but to be fair, well before she did that the urban-based MSM set out to paint her as a stupid hick. I suppose a hostile and opposite reaction was somewhat inevitable.

Sad that she has done her best to reinforce that original impression by the MSM, isn't it? By tying herself to the Glen Beck's of the world she has marginalized herself from the mainstream Conservative movement and tied herself to the whacks.

684 Charles Johnson  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 10:11:47pm

They're still melting down in the Glenn Beck and Ted Kennedy threads.

685 LudwigVanQuixote  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 10:12:13pm

re: #657 SanFranciscoZionist

You mean the exposed foundation of Al-Aqsa, that the Jews are constantly trying to tunnel under? That wall?

/

Did you ever go on the tunnel tour along the wall?

There is an old arch that used to lead up to the Temple. During the late Roman period, it was used as a small synagogue.

It is about 150 meters from that Mosque.

The Palis of course rioted when it was excavated, just the archway leading up to the side of the Temple. It was a little place where Jews could try to stay close to what was lost. It had all manner of artifacts.

The Israeli government of course demurred to the Palis. They did not want things getting out of hand. The Palis walled up the arch from above and pumped sewage into it. You can see their little stucco job and know that a portion of the Temple, that was once used as a synagogue, is now an Arab septic tank.

Don't even get me started.

686 Cato the Elder  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 10:12:15pm

re: #684 Charles

They're still melting down in the Glenn Beck and Ted Kennedy threads.

Shockin'!

687 realwest  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 10:12:54pm

re: #684 Charles
Still?! Oy, some people need to get both a clue and a life.

688 Irenicum  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 10:12:58pm

re: #665 Racer X

Gawgeous!

689 Gus  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 10:13:28pm

re: #684 Charles

They're still melting down in the Glenn Beck and Ted Kennedy threads.

I noticed. ;) It's like a procession of self-sacrificing trolls jumping into a volcano.

690 LudwigVanQuixote  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 10:13:37pm

re: #681 realwest

May I respectfully direct your attention to Nekamma's Troll Hammer - upper left side of the page, under
"Resources".

It is wonderful. However, I needed to rant a bit when I saw that.

691 realwest  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 10:14:12pm

re: #690 LudwigVanQuixote
I understand - rant away!

692 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 10:14:16pm

re: #679 Cato the Elder

Well little Zoe the stray now rests with her ancestors, wolves, guard dogs, faithful friends. I will bury her ashes in my front yard.

I am so sorry. Francis truly understood what is beautiful and glorious about creation. A man who evangelized to a wolf is surely the one to turn to in a time of such loss.

Be well. She'll be in my prayers.

693 Karridine  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 10:14:50pm

re: #670 Gus 802

Actually, I spent two days interpreting French-Korean recently while working in Saudi Arabia... I remembered a LOT more than I woulda thunk I did...

694 LudwigVanQuixote  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 10:15:14pm

re: #679 Cato the Elder

Scruffling my boys (whippet and terrier) right now... Look you Roman bastard, haven't you caused enough tears!

695 ggt  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 10:15:36pm

Hey Night Lizards!

Just finished Book II of Paradise Lost. I am repeatedly reminded of Tolkien's Silmarillion while reading/listening to this poem. I am, actually, reminded of a whole lot of other literature. Certainly a lot to ponder.

How are you-all and what are we talking about?

696 Irenicum  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 10:15:46pm

re: #674 Racer X

Terrible! Just terrible. But funny.

697 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 10:15:57pm

re: #690 LudwigVanQuixote

It is wonderful. However, I needed to rant a bit when I saw that.

Remarks like what the Pali asshole can really hit the berserk button.

698 realwest  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 10:16:32pm

Well y'all meds have kicked in (finally) and I'm off to see some meltdowns, then to bed.
Hope you all have a great evening/early morning and that I get the chance to see you all down the road.

Good night, all.

699 Gus  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 10:16:44pm

re: #693 Karridine

Actually, I spent two days interpreting French-Korean recently while working in Saudi Arabia... I remembered a LOT more than I woulda thunk I did...

French and Korean? I assume you also speak Arabic. I've always been good with accents and voice but only amounted to Spanish. One of my un-filled aspirations was to learn another language.

700 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 10:17:01pm

re: #685 LudwigVanQuixote

Did you ever go on the tunnel tour along the wall?

There is an old arch that used to lead up to the Temple. During the late Roman period, it was used as a small synagogue.

It is about 150 meters from that Mosque.

The Palis of course rioted when it was excavated, just the archway leading up to the side of the Temple. It was a little place where Jews could try to stay close to what was lost. It had all manner of artifacts.

The Israeli government of course demurred to the Palis. They did not want things getting out of hand. The Palis walled up the arch from above and pumped sewage into it. You can see their little stucco job and know that a portion of the Temple, that was once used as a synagogue, is now an Arab septic tank.

Don't even get me started.

I've never been to Jerusalem--l'shana ha'ba'a, maybe.

I've been told that a lot of the remains of the Temple are being destroyed, incidentally and deliberately. A horror.

701 Gus  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 10:17:07pm

re: #698 realwest

Well y'all meds have kicked in (finally) and I'm off to see some meltdowns, then to bed.
Hope you all have a great evening/early morning and that I get the chance to see you all down the road.

Good night, all.

Good night RW.

702 ggt  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 10:18:14pm

Think I'll go check-out the trolls.

Kennedy thread, you say?

703 Irenicum  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 10:18:18pm

re: #677 LudwigVanQuixote

Um, yep.

704 Grand Poobah  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 10:18:40pm

re: #24 yochanan

Jerusalem was a jewish capital when Washington, d.c., London, & Paris were swamps.

Unfortunately the Babylonians reduced it. According to Elijah (?) Israel/Judah had become pagan and so God was disappointed and withdrew his favor.

705 Gus  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 10:19:08pm

re: #702 ggt

Think I'll go check-out the trolls.

Kennedy thread, you say?

You won't see much. They've been deleted.

706 Cato the Elder  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 10:19:18pm

re: #695 ggt

Hey Night Lizards!

Just finished Book II of Paradise Lost. I am repeatedly reminded of Tolkien's Silmarillion while reading/listening to this poem. I am, actually, reminded of a whole lot of other literature. Certainly a lot to ponder.

How are you-all and what are we talking about?

Someone said it should be read as Christian science fiction. That's a good approach.

707 LudwigVanQuixote  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 10:19:21pm

re: #700 SanFranciscoZionist

I've never been to Jerusalem--l'shana ha'ba'a, maybe.

I've been told that a lot of the remains of the Temple are being destroyed, incidentally and deliberately. A horror.

Yes the archeologists tend to go to four main rubbish bins in the city for artifacts. The nicer bits get sold though when not seized and destroyed by the PA.

708 Racer X  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 10:19:26pm

A London lawyer runs a stop sign and gets pulled over by a Glasgow copper.

He thinks that he is smarter than the cop because he is a lawyer from LONDON and is certain that he has a better education than any Jock cop. He decides to prove this to himself and have some fun at the Glasgow cops expense!!

Glasgow cop says, ' Licence and registration, please.'

London Lawyer says, 'What for?'

Glasgow cop says, 'Ye didnae come to a complete stop at the stop sign.'

London Lawyer says, 'I slowed down, and no one was coming.'

Glasgow cop says, 'Ye still didnae come to a complete stop. Licence and registration, please.'

London Lawyer says, 'What's the difference?'

Glasgow cop says, 'The difference is, ye huvte to come to complete stop, that's the law, Licence and registration, please!'

London Lawyer says, 'If you can show me the legal difference between slow down and stop, I'll give you my licence and registration; and you give me the ticket. If not, you let me go and don't give me the ticket.'

Glasgow cop says, 'Sounds fair. Exit your vehicle, sir.'

The London Lawyer exits his vehicle.

The Glasgow cop takes out his baton and starts beating the hell out of the lawyer and says 'Dae ye want me to stop, or just slow doon?'

709 LudwigVanQuixote  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 10:20:09pm

re: #704 Grand Poobah

Unfortunately the Babylonians reduced it. According to Elijah (?) Israel/Judah had become pagan and so God was disappointed and withdrew his favor.

And then HE gave it back. Don't ever assume it is not ours.

710 Cato the Elder  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 10:21:12pm

re: #679 Cato the Elder

Um, midwestgak - you have something you'd like to say? About a dead dog? Please go ahead.

711 LudwigVanQuixote  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 10:21:12pm

re: #708 Racer X

OK that was bloody brilliant.

712 itellu3times  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 10:21:22pm

re: #704 Grand Poobah

Unfortunately the Babylonians reduced it. According to Elijah (?) Israel/Judah had become pagan and so God was disappointed and withdrew his favor.

Wot? Was a Jewish city up through 70AD, too.

713 Irenicum  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 10:21:39pm

re: #684 Charles

And that's why I decided to avoid those very threads. I just knew... It was like setting out cheese to mice.

714 austin_blue  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 10:21:49pm

re: #684 Charles

They're still melting down in the Glenn Beck and Ted Kennedy threads.

Jeez, how long is that going to go on? And how long are you you going to allow it?

Maybe it's time time to put a "comments closed" limit on individual pages. I only suggest this because of this story:

[Link: www.nytimes.com...]

Yow!

715 ggt  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 10:23:29pm

No troll BBQ's, they all seem to have met Stinky before I got there.

716 Irenicum  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 10:23:54pm

re: #689 Gus 802

Quite refreshing actually. Trolls serve the volcano god quite well.

717 Irenicum  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 10:25:14pm

re: #692 SanFranciscoZionist

Agreed. I love Francis. He knew that all of creation is beautiful.

718 LudwigVanQuixote  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 10:25:30pm

re: #716 Irenicum

Quite refreshing actually. Trolls serve the volcano god quite well.

But they do not make a pleasing aroma to the Lord...

719 ggt  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 10:25:37pm

re: #706 Cato the Elder

Someone said it should be read as Christian science fiction. That's a good approach.

absolutely --but not just Christian, there's Greek/Roman myth's bound up in there, along with other literature that I haven't read. Most of it is stuff that, like Paradise Lost, could be a college semester all in themselves.

Kinda stuff I really like. I figure I'll do a book a week, it'll take a week just to ponder it all and sort out the language difference and such.

720 Danny  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 10:26:13pm

re: #715 ggt

If u hurry you can catch one on the Palin pimps Beck thread.

721 ggt  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 10:28:30pm

re: #720 Danny

If u hurry you can catch one on the Palin pimps Beck thread.

Thanks, but I'm pretty mentally drained. I won't be here long, have to sleep sometime.

722 Danny  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 10:29:01pm

re: #721 ggt

Yeah same here. Sack time. Later all.

723 Irenicum  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 10:30:18pm

re: #706 Cato the Elder

Right now I'm actually reading Christian sci fi. And no, it's not Left Behind! (I hate that stuff!) I'm reading CS Lewis' Space Trilogy, and I'm in book 2, Perelandra. Pretty cool.

724 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 10:30:44pm

re: #720 Danny

If u hurry you can catch one on the Palin pimps Beck thread.

Nah, there hasn't been any activity on that thread in about an hour.

725 LudwigVanQuixote  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 10:32:25pm

re: #719 ggt

absolutely --but not just Christian, there's Greek/Roman myth's bound up in there, along with other literature that I haven't read. Most of it is stuff that, like Paradise Lost, could be a college semester all in themselves.

Kinda stuff I really like. I figure I'll do a book a week, it'll take a week just to ponder it all and sort out the language difference and such.

Silmarillion is in many ways in my humble opinion Tolkien's masterwork. What is more tempting than power? Beauty.

Tolkien was a very devout fellow and great friends with C.S. Lewis. Silmarillion is inn some sense Tolkien's theology mixed in wih his world building, but it is much more meant to be the root of his legend. The core legend of Middle Earth. Numenor is his take on both Atlantis and Jerusalem.

The Elves (Jews) strayed from G-d but were still loved and paved the way for men (pagans) who became steeped in their lore and founded Numenor (Christians). Morgoth (Satan) is banished to the outer darkness, but the spirit of evil is still strong in the world and takes on rather than a fully spiritual corruption (defiling divine beauty, through the destruction of the two trees and the theft of the Silmarils) to a more worldly and secular evil as shown by the ring and Sauron.

One could go on and on about this.

726 pat  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 10:33:00pm

Likely said earlier, but Dominick Dunne has died. He really was a cultural contributor. I will miss him.
[Link: www.foxnews.com...]

727 Irenicum  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 10:33:09pm

re: #707 LudwigVanQuixote

How come I'm not surprised by that? Disgusting. It's amazing how political history has become. Maybe it's always been that way. But it's disappointing nonetheless.

728 austin_blue  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 10:35:14pm

Adios, my friends. Time for bed.

729 LudwigVanQuixote  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 10:35:57pm

re: #727 Irenicum

How come I'm not surprised by that? Disgusting. It's amazing how political history has become. Maybe it's always been that way. But it's disappointing nonetheless.

There are very few religious movements in the world today which are more casually disrespectful and contemptuous of other religions than political Islam.

No well brought up Christian or Jew would dream of disrespecting a mosque or any artifact inside. That basic courtesy is not reciprocated.

730 Irenicum  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 10:36:45pm

re: #718 LudwigVanQuixote

I dunnow, I kinda thinks He likes these types kinda crispy!

731 mikeymom  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 10:38:05pm

re: #726 pat

Likely said earlier, but Dominick Dunne has died. He really was a cultural contributor. I will miss him.
[Link: www.foxnews.com...]

youre not gonna trash him like you did senator kennedy last night?

732 Irenicum  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 10:38:17pm

re: #721 ggt

Me too. Too late for this too much longer.

733 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 10:38:41pm

re: #729 LudwigVanQuixote

There are very few religious movements in the world today which are more casually disrespectful and contemptuous of other religions than political Islam.

No well brought up Christian or Jew would dream of disrespecting a mosque or any artifact inside. That basic courtesy is not reciprocated.

Quite Concur. Islam demands pride of place for itself, and its followers typically resort to violence if they are not given it. The only answer to that is to refuse such demands to grant Islam such special status and then hammer those who attack you for so doing.

734 ggt  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 10:39:14pm

re: #725 LudwigVanQuixote

Silmarillion is in many ways in my humble opinion Tolkien's masterwork. What is more tempting than power? Beauty.

Tolkien was a very devout fellow and great friends with C.S. Lewis. Silmarillion is inn some sense Tolkien's theology mixed in wih his world building, but it is much more meant to be the root of his legend. The core legend of Middle Earth. Numenor is his take on both Atlantis and Jerusalem.

The Elves (Jews) strayed from G-d but were still loved and paved the way for men (pagans) who became steeped in their lore and founded Numenor (Christians). Morgoth (Satan) is banished to the outer darkness, but the spirit of evil is still strong in the world and takes on rather than a fully spiritual corruption (defiling divine beauty, through the destruction of the two trees and the theft of the Silmarils) to a more worldly and secular evil as shown by the ring and Sauron.

One could go on and on about this.

Tolkien's version of Creation --was one of the most beautiful things I've ever read. Like Paradise Lost, I read while listening to the Silmarillion. The excellent narration helps trememdously. I do see the similarities with Milton in how Tolkien describes the angels (elves) and the rift between them. The same with the description of the "orbs" of night and day. I had to take detailed notes to get thru the Silmarillion, but of course, I can't remember the specifics without them. I wonder at Milton's description of Death's ravenous hunger and the Shelob (sp?) spider. Right now, as if yoiu can't tell) my mind is sparking with random thoughts.

735 Cato the Elder  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 10:39:34pm

re: #723 Irenicum

Right now I'm actually reading Christian sci fi. And no, it's not Left Behind! (I hate that stuff!) I'm reading CS Lewis' Space Trilogy, and I'm in book 2, Perelandra. Pretty cool.

"That Hideous Strength" will be a test of sanity!

The title comes from a 1554 work written by Scottish poet Sir David Lyndsaay, “Ane Dialog betwixt Experience and ane Courteor,” better known as “The Monarchie.”

The full quote reads:

"The shadow of that hideous strength
Sax mile and more it is of length"

referring to the Tower of Babel...

736 ggt  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 10:40:38pm

re: #725 LudwigVanQuixote

Silmarillion is in many ways in my humble opinion Tolkien's masterwork. What is more tempting than power? Beauty.

Tolkien was a very devout fellow and great friends with C.S. Lewis. Silmarillion is inn some sense Tolkien's theology mixed in wih his world building, but it is much more meant to be the root of his legend. The core legend of Middle Earth. Numenor is his take on both Atlantis and Jerusalem.

The Elves (Jews) strayed from G-d but were still loved and paved the way for men (pagans) who became steeped in their lore and founded Numenor (Christians). Morgoth (Satan) is banished to the outer darkness, but the spirit of evil is still strong in the world and takes on rather than a fully spiritual corruption (defiling divine beauty, through the destruction of the two trees and the theft of the Silmarils) to a more worldly and secular evil as shown by the ring and Sauron.

One could go on and on about this.

Wait a minute, I'm confusing the elves with another creature in Tolkien, which came before the Elves, they were the "angels". Can't remember the names.

737 Irenicum  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 10:43:13pm

re: #734 ggt

And good sparks they are!

738 ggt  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 10:43:31pm

re: #733 Dark_Falcon

Quite Concur. Islam demands pride of place for itself, and its followers typically resort to violence if they are not given it. The only answer to that is to refuse such demands to grant Islam such special status and then hammer those who attack you for so doing.

To be fair, there are some (ahem *spit*) so-called Christians who do not respect any who do not believe as they do. I encounter a few, when they learn I am Roman Catholic.

I have a feeling that there are more than a few rank-and-file Muslims are are respectful as well.

I think we have to distinguish between the "governments of Islam" and the individuals.

739 ggt  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 10:44:14pm

re: #737 Irenicum

And good sparks they are!

Thanks

740 Irenicum  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 10:44:35pm

re: #735 Cato the Elder

I've heard that from a fellow church member. I tremble at what I'm about to read!

741 LudwigVanQuixote  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 10:46:24pm

re: #725 LudwigVanQuixote

And just beacuse...

I was around when Numenor had its moment of doubt and pain
Made damn sure Illuvatar washed his hands and sealed their fate.

I Stuck around Belariand
When I saw it was time for a change.
Killed the elves and their ministers
Gondolin screamed in pain

I lurked in Orthanc
Held a general's rank
when the Dagor raged
and the bodies stank!

Pleased to meet you
Hope you guess my name
But what's troubling you
Is the nature of my game

Please allow me to introduce myself
I'm a Maia of wealth and taste
I've been around a long long year
Sold many a soul to waste...

So if you meet me have some sympathy
Have some courtesy and some taste
Use all your resistance to my ring
Or I'll lay your soul to waste.

742 Cato the Elder  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 10:46:33pm

re: #736 ggt

Wait a minute, I'm confusing the elves with another creature in Tolkien, which came before the Elves, they were the "angels". Can't remember the names.

Gandalf was a Maiar.

743 LudwigVanQuixote  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 10:47:26pm

re: #736 ggt

Wait a minute, I'm confusing the elves with another creature in Tolkien, which came before the Elves, they were the "angels". Can't remember the names.

Maia

744 ggt  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 10:47:36pm

re: #742 Cato the Elder

Gandalf was a Maiar.

Thank you!

745 LudwigVanQuixote  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 10:48:10pm

re: #742 Cato the Elder

No r, Maia

746 ggt  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 10:48:13pm

re: #743 LudwigVanQuixote

Maia

Thanks too!

747 LudwigVanQuixote  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 10:48:51pm

re: #742 Cato the Elder

And so was Sauron and Melian and Saruman and Radagast and the Balrogs.

748 ggt  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 10:50:09pm

the narration of both versions of the Silmarillion and Paradise Lost are Wonderful. I find myself listening first, just because it is so well done. Then listening and reading at the same time.

The Silmarrion's, especially, almost like a symphony all on it's own.

The talent of some of these performers is amazing to me.

749 ggt  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 10:50:41pm

re: #747 LudwigVanQuixote

And so was Sauron and Melian and Saruman and Radagast and the Balrogs.

I always thought the Balrogs were quite the creative concept.

750 LudwigVanQuixote  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 10:50:49pm

re: #748 ggt

the narration of both versions of the Silmarillion and Paradise Lost are Wonderful. I find myself listening first, just because it is so well done. Then listening and reading at the same time.

The Silmarrion's, especially, almost like a symphony all on it's own.

The talent of some of these performers is amazing to me.

It really is glorious.

My favorite part is the story of Turin.

751 LudwigVanQuixote  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 10:51:29pm

re: #750 LudwigVanQuixote

It really is glorious.

My favorite part is the story of Turin.

Which is his take on lancelot, Tristan and Isolde and Arthur for that matter.

752 LudwigVanQuixote  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 10:52:23pm

re: #749 ggt

I always thought the Balrogs were quite the creative concept.

Big fiery nasty fallen Maia who followed Morgoth into the Earth.

753 ggt  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 10:52:33pm

re: #750 LudwigVanQuixote

It really is glorious.

My favorite part is the story of Turin.

I think my favorite is the beginning. About Illuvatar and his music. It could be a ballet.

754 Cato the Elder  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 10:52:44pm

Life and glory.

A Russian girl who came to America for conservatory-level flute studies, and who lied about her means, and came here with twenty bucks to her name on faith and hope, and whose documents I had the honor to translate, has now graduated and is celebrating at home with her family.

Слава, слава, слава Богу.

755 Cato the Elder  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 10:53:31pm

re: #745 LudwigVanQuixote

No r, Maia

Right.

756 Irenicum  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 10:53:48pm

re: #738 ggt

Amen. I've known many respectful Muslims who don't reflect at all what we see from the political "leadership". There's a war for what it means to be Muslim, just as there have been (and still are) wars over what it means to be Christian and Jewish. I believe strongly in my own convictions. That's why I'm a Christian. But I just as strongly believe that we need to defend our respective faiths from a standpoint of respecting every individuals' right to conscience. And that's an area that modern Christianity and modern Judaism are definitely stronger than modern, fundamentalist, Islam. An aspect of modernism gave rise to the "fundamentalist" movement that is not actually rooted to the faith they profess. But, bed beckons! G'nite all!

757 ggt  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 10:54:14pm

re: #752 LudwigVanQuixote

Big fiery nasty fallen Maia who followed Morgoth into the Earth.

So horrible they can never quite be described in a graphically satisfactory way. :)

758 LudwigVanQuixote  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 10:54:31pm

re: #755 Cato the Elder

Right.

I get that way sometimes...

The nerd is strong in me... I sense much pedanticism.

759 Irenicum  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 10:56:08pm

re: #754 Cato the Elder

Very cool!

760 Cato the Elder  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 10:56:12pm

re: #692 SanFranciscoZionist

I am so sorry. Francis truly understood what is beautiful and glorious about creation. A man who evangelized to a wolf is surely the one to turn to in a time of such loss.

Be well. She'll be in my prayers.

Saint Francis was da man. When I despair, I think of him.

We are meant for love. And therefore I hate lies.

761 Irenicum  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 10:57:53pm

re: #760 Cato the Elder

Amen and good night!

762 Cato the Elder  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 10:58:25pm

re: #740 Irenicum

I've heard that from a fellow church member. I tremble at what I'm about to read!

Be prepared for talkin' severed heads. CSL was nothing if not graphic.

763 Irenicum  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 10:59:51pm

re: #762 Cato the Elder

Oooo. It's a good thing I like 28 Days Later and Shawn of the Dead!

764 Cato the Elder  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 11:00:01pm

re: #758 LudwigVanQuixote

I get that way sometimes...

The nerd is strong in me... I sense much pedanticism.

Midichlorians and pedanticisms = Jedi doom.

I know, I flunked the academy.

765 ggt  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 11:01:02pm

re: #764 Cato the Elder

Midichlorians and pedanticisms = Jedi doom.

I know, I flunked the academy.

There is an academy?

766 LudwigVanQuixote  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 11:02:13pm

re: #764 Cato the Elder

Midichlorians and pedanticisms = Jedi doom.

I know, I flunked the academy.

I try to pretend that didn't happen... Lucas.. well... let's just say he made a myth that was too big for his own comprehension to do justice to.

767 LudwigVanQuixote  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 11:02:26pm

re: #765 ggt

There is an academy?

Shhh!

768 ggt  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 11:03:29pm

re: #767 LudwigVanQuixote

Shhh!


oh!

769 Cato the Elder  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 11:04:18pm

re: #679 Cato the Elder

midwestgak:

I can only assume you hate St Francis. Please disabuse me.

770 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 11:04:30pm

re: #766 LudwigVanQuixote

I try to pretend that didn't happen... Lucas.. well... let's just say he made a myth that was too big for his own comprehension to do justice to.

I just lost interest early on. I may be a bleeding-heart liberal, but a planet of people who elect a fourteen-year-old to be their monarch simply deserve whatever they get.

But Leverage is on, and I have to go. Good night all.

771 LudwigVanQuixote  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 11:06:17pm

re: #765 ggt

While we are at the Elves as Jews meme of Tolkien, notice that hey left the undying lands, were punished to settle in Middle Earth and spread knowledge only to return at the end - when the king returns to middle Earth and the forces of evil are vanquished... Tolkien has a very old fashioned Christian take on the Jews.

772 ggt  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 11:07:34pm

re: #771 LudwigVanQuixote

While we are at the Elves as Jews meme of Tolkien, notice that hey left the undying lands, were punished to settle in Middle Earth and spread knowledge only to return at the end - when the king returns to middle Earth and the forces of evil are vanquished... Tolkien has a very old fashioned Christian take on the Jews.

Yes. I read or heard somewhere that his writing is in totally sync with The Church. He was a devout Roman Catholic.

773 ggt  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 11:08:22pm

Overnight thread is up, my clue to go to bed.

weet dreams all.

774 Cato the Elder  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 11:09:11pm

re: #766 LudwigVanQuixote

I try to pretend that didn't happen... Lucas.. well... let's just say he made a myth that was too big for his own comprehension to do justice to.

Aye.

The thing about Tolkien is he had it all under control, from start to finish. I have read and reread his books from the time I was ten years old and my suspicious grandpa asked me "do your parents check what you read?" (answer: no) and I have yet, as an editor and professional critic, to come up with one even minor blooper.

You can talk about Joyce, Beckett and Pound (whom I love), but JRRT was a master of craft and art.

775 LudwigVanQuixote  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 11:09:27pm

re: #771 LudwigVanQuixote

But honestly, if I am to be in the Tolkienverse, being an elf is kinda cool...

Elves have the hottest girls, the best food, really spiffy swords and gorgeous armor.

776 ggt  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 11:10:11pm

re: #775 LudwigVanQuixote

But honestly, if I am to be in the Tolkienverse, being an elf is kinda cool...

Elves have the hottest girls, the best food, really spiffy swords and gorgeous armor.

You know, I could be happy in Rivendell!

777 ggt  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 11:10:19pm

nytol, again

778 LudwigVanQuixote  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 11:13:24pm

re: #774 Cato the Elder

Aye.

The thing about Tolkien is he had it all under control, from start to finish. I have read and reread his books from the time I was ten years old and my suspicious grandpa asked me "do your parents check what you read?" (answer: no) and I have yet, as an editor and professional critic, to come up with one even minor blooper.

You can talk about Joyce, Beckett and Pound (whom I love), but JRRT was a master of craft and art.

And language. My only complaint about Tolkien is that his dialogue can be a touch stilted in the trilogy and I am not certain that Tom Bombadil adds to the flow of the story... However, in Silmarilion his language is perfect. Everything oozes of a certain age old feeling of gravitas.

I adore Tolkien.

Everything has a place and a story and a reason for being there. Even Glamdring and Orcrist have an origin story.

779 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 11:17:38pm

re: #775 LudwigVanQuixote

But honestly, if I am to be in the Tolkienverse, being an elf is kinda cool...

Elves have the hottest girls, the best food, really spiffy swords and gorgeous armor.

Indeed. The Elves pay a high price for that though. Morgoth and Sauron relentlessly seek to enslave or exterminate them and both come close to success. It's also interesting to note the Tolkien, who lived and wrote during the World Wars, has no race simply going it alone. Elves, Men, Hobbits, all need help at one point or the other.

780 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 11:20:46pm

re: #778 LudwigVanQuixote

And language. My only complaint about Tolkien is that his dialogue can be a touch stilted in the trilogy and I am not certain that Tom Bombadil adds to the flow of the story... However, in Silmarilion his language is perfect. Everything oozes of a certain age old feeling of gravitas.

I adore Tolkien.

Everything has a place and a story and a reason for being there. Even Glamdring and Orcrist have an origin story.

Glamdring is the sword of King Turgon of Gondolin. It is worth noting here that The Fall of Gondolin was the very first story Tolkien wrote set in the LotR universe. It was first written in 1917. So in a very real way, Glamding is a way for Tolkien to link LotR to his first story in that universe.

781 LudwigVanQuixote  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 11:21:21pm

re: #779 Dark_Falcon

Indeed. The Elves pay a high price for that though. Morgoth and Sauron relentlessly seek to enslave or exterminate them and both come close to success. It's also interesting to note the Tolkien, who lived and wrote during the World Wars, has no race simply going it alone. Elves, Men, Hobbits, all need help at one point or the other.

Absolutely.

Also the Elves are never exactly Jewish and the Men of Numenor are never exactly Christian. In the context of the Wars and geopolitics, the Elves are the Brits and the men of Numenor are the Americans. The British empire is fading - but the state it nurtured is starting a new age.

It's obvious in this context who the Orcs are, but I wonder, does that make the French Hobbits or Dwarves?

782 Abu Al-Poopypants  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 11:22:31pm

"Suscribe" at ngm.com?

783 LudwigVanQuixote  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 11:22:54pm

re: #780 Dark_Falcon

Glamdring is the sword of King Turgon of Gondolin. It is worth noting here that The Fall of Gondolin was the very first story Tolkien wrote set in the LotR universe. It was first written in 1917. So in a very real way, Glamding is a way for Tolkien to link LotR to his first story in that universe.

I am impressed, the nerd is very strong in this one!

:)

It's really cool how it ends up in the hands of Gandalf...

784 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 11:23:03pm

re: #775 LudwigVanQuixote

Hobbit for me. So many daily meals, and then there is the pipeweed.

/probably the reason for so many daily meals

785 LudwigVanQuixote  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 11:25:00pm

OK serious question.. where did the nerd meme that Dwarves are Scottish come from?

I really don't know.

786 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 11:26:17pm

re: #781 LudwigVanQuixote

Absolutely.

Also the Elves are never exactly Jewish and the Men of Numenor are never exactly Christian. In the context of the Wars and geopolitics, the Elves are the Brits and the men of Numenor are the Americans. The British empire is fading - but the state it nurtured is starting a new age.

It's obvious in this context who the Orcs are, but I wonder, does that make the French Hobbits or Dwarves?

Neither. The French don't really figure in. Given the wars France and England fought against each other, it would be tough to fit an believable analogue of France in.

787 Abu Al-Poopypants  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 11:27:04pm

They came from the South but they had to move North to Scotland because of Elven Global Warming.

788 LudwigVanQuixote  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 11:27:21pm

re: #785 LudwigVanQuixote

OK serious question.. where did the nerd meme that Dwarves are Scottish come from?

I really don't know.

Come to think of it, perhaps Elves Dwarves and Hobbits are England Scotland and Ireland?

Having to face the Orcs in Germany... With the help of American rangers?

any speculations?

789 LudwigVanQuixote  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 11:28:03pm

re: #786 Dark_Falcon

Neither. The French don't really figure in. Given the wars France and England fought against each other, it would be tough to fit an believable analogue of France in.

I was making a joke and you are being both serious and correct.

790 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 11:28:14pm

re: #785 LudwigVanQuixote

OK serious question.. where did the nerd meme that Dwarves are Scottish come from?

I really don't know.

The facct that they live in the mountains and largely keep to themselves. Scots Highlanders are sometimes thought to have been that way before England became heavily involved in Scottish affairs.

791 LudwigVanQuixote  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 11:35:06pm

re: #790 Dark_Falcon

The facct that they live in the mountains and largely keep to themselves. Scots Highlanders are sometimes thought to have been that way before England became heavily involved in Scottish affairs.

Could well be.

The Elves as Jews meme mixed with my sleepiness. I just had an image of Elrond and Galadriel having tea and rugeleh :)

Celibrimbor brings the bagels.

The Noldor play canasta...

And now getting serious again, Turgon is David.

792 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Aug 26, 2009 11:39:56pm

re: #791 LudwigVanQuixote

Could well be.

The Elves as Jews meme mixed with my sleepiness. I just had an image of Elrond and Galadriel having tea and rugeleh :)

Celibrimbor brings the bagels.

The Noldor play canasta...

And now getting serious again, Turgon is David.

In some ways yes, in others not. David died in bed with his kingdom relatively secure. Turgon is killed and Gondolin destroyed. Though it is true that Earendil, Elrond and Aragorn are all direct descendants of Turgon.

793 FamHistoryGuy  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 12:13:57am

re: #596 Killgore Trout

As in Udon Thani?

794 Karridine  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 12:53:24am

re: #699 Gus 802

Nope, no Arabic, just English, Korean, Thai and rusty French...

Awk!
Skype coming in gotta go

795 ryannon  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 4:53:22am

re: #462 Cato the Elder

What thou lovest well
Cannot be reft from thee
.

Who said that?

Aye, a fascist guy.

My bootheels shall be wanderin'.


In for a penny, in for a Pound.

796 ryannon  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 5:01:49am

re: #495 Spare O'Lake

Go away from my window,
Leave at your own chosen speed...

Roots:

797 EaterOfFood  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 9:16:45am

re: #29 ryannon

I wonder how many people really think it was "better" after we arrived.

The Indians didn't know how to make a decent corned beef sandwich.

798 Grand Poobah  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 9:31:46am

re: #712 itellu3times

Wot? Was a Jewish city up through 70AD, too.

It was a Jewish city, but only in its Golden Age (1100? - ~ 600 B.C.) did it maintain political autonomy. And then briefly in the 3rd century during the Macabees, but still.

799 leon77  Thu, Aug 27, 2009 3:37:50pm

Is it a lame comment for me to just say that video is flippin awesome? I am gonna buy that NG.

800 nacazo  Fri, Aug 28, 2009 6:57:29am

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