I wonder if he'll be able to take and post aerial photos.

He's trying to get out of serving in Vietnam!

/carryover from previous thread

(He doesn’t say why, but he does write that it was a “sudden ending of my embed.”)

Maybe because of this:

Four British soldiers die for sake of 150 votes

Enough bad PR as it is.

re: #1 Mad Al-Jaffee

I wonder if he'll be able to take and post aerial photos.

I think you need the Navy for that.

re: #2 Occasional Reader

He's trying to get out of serving in Vietnam!

/carryover from previous thread

Where's his birth nirth certificate!

Hmm- perhaps with the recent deaths, the UK didn't want any journalists embedded with their troops?

Certainly hope they, Mr Yon and all the troops stay safe.

He announced the embed switch in his last report, Bad Medicine, and I speculated that it might have had something to do with his reporting that the British military lacked critical medical gear that the US had, while a few others noted that it could have been an opsec thing. No way to know for sure, but it's the British military's loss, since Yon has repeatedly shown the courage and dedication of the soldiers he mentions in his reports, and how they do so under extreme circumstances.

The British people should be proud of their soldiers who are battling on the front lines, but their press doesn't seem all that keen on reporting in that fashion.

OT,
Charles, I just saw your previous thread & wanted to thank you for your patriotic work uncovering skullduggery at CBS.

I hope President Bush and his people thank you, if they haven't already, for setting the record straight about his having volunteered to serve in Vietnam as a pilot.

(He doesn’t say why, but he does write that it was a “sudden ending of my embed.”)

Geez, you crack one joke about "Queen Liz and the smack trade", and the next thing you know...

Am I too late to trash Palin?
/

Losing the embed

I got an email from Michael Yon attributing the cancellation of his embed with the British to thoughtlessness and bureaucratic oversight. he writes:

The specific problem for me was that MoD cut off the embed with zero warning and no chance for me to prepare. … MoD is giving the reason that my long stay is prompting uproar among journalists who cannot get embed slots. I’ve embedded longer in Iraq with combat troops, for instance, than any journalist of any sort. I don’t buy their backpedalling now that this is public, but even if they are being truthful the truth itself is lame reason to stop me embed. There is no journalist in the U.K. or the U.S. who spends more time in combat. It’s silly to lump me in with the war-tourist sorts who come here for a month or two (usually a week or two). Among those who do come, most rarely if ever go on true combat missions to see what our lads are dealing with.

Part of the problem is that bureaucracies designed for the transient type of journalist will probably find a Michael Yon a square peg in a round hole.

re: #8 alegrias

uncovering skullduggery at CBS

If it's about the nefarious Bush family, it's skulln'bonesduggery.

/

Not saying it's the same thing, and I'm not comparing the two journalists, but remember when Rivera got kicked out of Iraq for drawing maps of battle-plans in the sand? That was kind of funny. I always enjoy Geraldo's gaffes. :)

re: #11 Kenneth

Perhaps he's putting professionals to shame?

re: #4 Ben Hur

I think you need the Navy for that.

Thank you, thank you.

I'll be here all night...

re: #11 Kenneth

Losing the embed

Well, there you have it then. Didn't see that post from Richard.

re: #3 Ben Hur

Maybe because of this:

Four British soldiers die for sake of 150 votes

Enough bad PR as it is.

Afghanistan is rapidly losing its sheen of "the good war" that all can agree on. The calls for retreat and self-inflicted disgrace will only get louder.

re: #10 LGoPs

No, but I have a tea party update ready for later in the thread.

re: #10 LGoPs

Nevah

re: #17 Occasional Reader

Afghanistan is rapidly losing its sheen of "the good war" that all can agree on. The calls for retreat and self-inflicted disgrace will only get louder.

Effen A.

Weakness.

re: #18 Killgore Trout

No, but I have a tea party update ready for later in the thread.

I can't wait.

Well, I'm not an embed journalist, but I can tell you where the Thunderbirds are right now. Directly over my house. I had intended to take a nap right now. Guess not.

re: #17 Occasional Reader

Afghanistan is rapidly losing its sheen of "the good war" that all can agree on. The calls for retreat and self-inflicted disgrace will only get louder.

So the unicorn cavalry isn't going to save the day here? Rats.

Grim Milestone Nears for US In Afghan War

CBS.

Off the reservation.

"Skulduggery" is an awesome word. I was surprised to hear Mike Tyson using it a lot, in the documentary "Tyson," which is a great piece of work btw.

re: #17 Occasional Reader

Afghanistan is rapidly losing its sheen of "the good war" that all can agree on. The calls for retreat and self-inflicted disgrace will only get louder.

Generaled valiantly by the Democrats.
/

re: #24 Ben Hur

Grim Milestone Nears for US In Afghan War

CBS.

Off the reservation.

There are no more grim milestones! Now that The One is with us, there are only glorious goalposts. Moving.

re: #24 Ben Hur

Grim Milestone Nears for US In Afghan War

CBS.

Off the reservation.

Nothing like those "grim milestones," to punch up a newscast.

Where does it say that Michael Yon is with the Air Force? I thought he said that he was going over to the Marines.

re: #28 garycooper

Nothing like those "grim milestones," to punch up a newscast.

Maybe a quagmire or two.

re: #24 Ben Hur

Grim Milestone Nears for US In Afghan War

CBS.

Off the reservation.

If this modern incarnation of CBS was around at Omaha Beach back in 1944 we'd all be speaking German.
*spit*

re: #27 EmmmieG

There are no more grim milestones! Now that The One is with us, there are only glorious goalposts. Moving.

I always thought that the dark green with reflective white was a bit grim... maybe a nice pink with yellow would be better.

/don't hate me because I'm beautiful... 'coz I ain't!

re: #30 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Maybe a quagmire or two.

The Dummycrats can finally be right. They were calling it a quagmire as early as 2001 I believe.

/

re: #27 EmmmieG

There are no more grim milestones! Now that The One is with us, there are only glorious goalposts. Moving.

Maybe it's retaliation for the Pentagon profiling journalists.

Bad feeling about this line from Yon's latest:
"After that, will strike out alone into the wilds of Afghanistan."

...you know what comes next. It's not good.

Remember the good ole days when we were actually allowed to fight wars with the primary goal being to win them?

Nah, neither do I.

re: #36 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Remember the good ole days when we were actually allowed to fight wars with the primary goal being to win them?

Nah, neither do I.

Now the goal it not to talk about it

re: #35 garycooper

Bad feeling about this line from Yon's latest:
"After that, will strike out alone into the wilds of Afghanistan."

...you know what comes next. It's not good.

I would be more worried if it was Geraldo or someother yahoo.

re: #12 Occasional Reader

If it's about the nefarious Bush family, it's skulln'bonesduggery.

/

* * *
Clever you!

And you ain't kidding. I found--aptly enough-- in a recycling bin some crappy Bush bashing book from 1992 called "What it Takes: The Way to the White House" by Richard Ben Cramer that already referred to Papa Bush as "Bush", while lovingly calling sleazy MonkeyBusiness Gary Hart "Gary", and plagiarist Joe Biden "Joe".

All the "upcoming" democrats were men of the people who were SO intelligent. The Bush family were...such "decent" guys, with so many "friends".

What a crime according to the liberal author, to be "Bush" compared to the groovy 60s countercultural Vietnam War protesting friends of Warren Beatty

re: #36 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Remember the good ole days when we were actually allowed to fight wars with the primary goal being to win them?

Nah, neither do I.

Certainly hasn't happened in my lifetime.

Among those who do come, most rarely if ever go on true combat missions to see what our lads are dealing with.

"What?! And mess up this new outfit I just purchased especially for this mission?"

re: #38 Ben Hur

I would be more worried if it was Geraldo or someother yahoo.

Well, at least with Geraldo you can be sure that the end result will either be A) someone hitting him in the face with a chair, or B) a story that ends with finding nothing (Oh Mr. Capone, you sly devil you!)

Testing a new feature - sometimes a comment is deleted by mistake, or the deletion is reconsidered. I've always had the ability to restore comments, but now it will act the same as deleting comments in one way -- when you click the 'new comments' button, any restored comments will automagically reappear in the thread just like deleted comments do.

To test it, I'll delete and restore my next comment.

re: #38 Ben Hur

I would be more worried if it was Geraldo or someother yahoo.

"We've just uncovered what we believe is Bin Laden's secret vault, where we have a team of experts standing by to unlock its secrets."

re: #29 Chip Designer

Where does it say that Michael Yon is with the Air Force? I thought he said that he was going over to the Marines.

Good question. I just see "Will be out with U.S. forces for the foreseeable future", nothing about the USAF.

Now you see me, now you don't.

Sheesh! What is with you people?

There are no wars, only "situations of immediate interest." (A term that can also, handily, be used to describe the dog barfing on the new carpet.)

There are no grim milestones, only moving goalposts of national splendour.

There are no independently thinking voters, only trouble-causing hooligans.

There are no journalists, only "independent adjuncts of the White House Press Office." Anyone else claiming to be a journalist is a faker.

Got it?

Russia deploys missile defence system near N.Korea

Uhhh...WHAT?

re: #45 Occasional Reader

Good question. I just see "Will be out with U.S. forces for the foreseeable future", nothing about the USAF.

He told me it was the USAF in his email to me.

re: #36 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

In the case of Afghanistan, define "win". I never heard Obama define it and a never heard Bush define it either.

re: #17 Occasional Reader

Afghanistan is rapidly losing its sheen of "the good war" that all can agree on. The calls for retreat and self-inflicted disgrace will only get louder.

* * * *
I think it's high time the SAUDIS and the Caliphate paid up & fixed this wahhabist/Taliban hellhole that might ONLY respond to Mecca-controlling fellow believers.

re: #49 Charles

He told me it was the USAF in his email to me.

Sekrit corispondance!

re: #49 Charles

He told me it was the USAF in his email to me.

Well, there's the Sekrit Overlord Spy Tool at work for ya.

re: #48 Ben Hur

Russia deploys missile defence system near N.Korea

Uhhh...WHAT?

The Russians don't want wayward North Korean missiles heading their way - and the North has shown that they have problems figuring out where their missiles will go. If only the US would do the same to protect our allies from a similar situation.

re: #40 Truck Monkey

Certainly hasn't happened in my lifetime.

Nor mine, and I'm drawing social security.

re: #48 Ben Hur

The Russian's aren't stupid. They don't want that nutjob Kim lobbing missiles at them.

re: #54 lawhawk

The Russians don't want wayward North Korean missiles heading their way - and the North has shown that they have problems figuring out where their missiles will go. If only the US would do the same to protect our allies from a similar situation.

But not, that would be provocative. And they're unproven anyway.

See the deleted comment above (#46)?

Next time you hit the 'new comments' button it will reappear, if everything's working right.

re: #58 Charles

worked for me

The Norks have an accuracy issue??
What?
They said they'd hit the Pacific and they did!!
///

re: #31 LGoPs

If this modern incarnation of CBS was around at Omaha Beach back in 1944 we'd all be speaking German.
*spit*

It was around in 1968.

Who won and who lost in the great Tet offensive against the cities? I’m not sure. The Vietcong did not win by a knockout, but neither did we. The referees of history may make it a draw.

It seems now more certain than ever that the bloody experience of Vietnam is to end in a stalemate.

But it is increasingly clear to this reporter that the only rational way out then will be to negotiate, not as victors, but as honorable people who lived up to their pledge to defend democracy, and did the best they could.

This is Walter Cronkite. Good night

It was a military disaster for the Viet Cong Walter. CBS turned it into a political victory.

So since he says he'll be "out in the wilds", I wonder if he's with a USAF Special Tactics Squadron. That could be pretty damn cool. (Also, hair-raisingly dangerous.)

re: #48 Ben Hur

Russia deploys missile defence system near N.Korea

Uhhh...WHAT?

Stupid Russians! Deploying "unproven weapons systems"... the joke's on them!

///

re: #58 Charles
Worked for me.

Groovy.

You know what I love about the US Air Force?

The line in their anthem:

Nothing can stop the US Air Force.

re: #58 Charles

See the deleted comment above (#46)?

Next time you hit the 'new comments' button it will reappear, if everything's working right.

HE'S A SORCERER!

/MST3K flashback

re: #36 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Remember the good ole days when we were actually allowed to fight wars with the primary goal being to win them?

Nah, neither do I.

War used to be about killing the enemy's troops and degrading the enemy's capacity to fight or rearm, until the enemy unconditionally surrendered and the victors got to dictate the terms of peace.
That hasn't happened since WWII.

re: #61 Rancher

It was a military disaster for the Viet Cong Walter. CBS turned it into a political victory.

Feb. 27, 1968 to be exact. (And to think I hated dates in history class)

.Tonight, back in more familiar surroundings in New York, we'd like to sum up our findings in Vietnam, an analysis that must be speculative, personal, subjective. Who won and who lost in the great Tet offensive against the cities? I'm not sure. The Vietcong did not win by a knockout, but neither did we. The referees of history may make it a draw. Another standoff may be coming in the big battles expected south of the Demilitarized Zone. Khesanh could well fall, with a terrible loss in American lives, prestige and morale, and this is a tragedy of our stubbornness there; but the bastion no longer is a key to the rest of the northern regions, and it is doubtful that the American forces can be defeated across the breadth of the DMZ with any substantial loss of ground. Another standoff.

On the political front, past performance gives no confidence that the Vietnamese government can cope with its problems, now compounded by the attack on the cities. It may not fall, it may hold on, but it probably won't show the dynamic qualities demanded of this young nation. Another standoff.

We have been too often disappointed by the optimism of the American leaders, both in Vietnam and Washington, to have faith any longer in the silver linings they find in the darkest clouds. They may be right, that Hanoi's winter-spring offensive has been forced by the Communist realization that they could not win the longer war of attrition, and that the Communists hope that any success in the offensive will improve their position for eventual negotiations. It would improve their position, and it would also require our realization, that we should have had all along, that any negotiations must be that -- negotiations, not the dictation of peace terms. For it seems now more certain than ever that the bloody experience of Vietnam is to end in a stalemate. This summer's almost certain standoff will either end in real give-and-take negotiations or terrible escalation; and for every means we have to escalate, the enemy can match us, and that applies to invasion of the North, the use of nuclear weapons, or the mere commitment of one hundred, or two hundred, or three hundred thousand more American troops to the battle. And with each escalation, the world comes closer to the brink of cosmic disaster.

To say that we are closer to victory today is to believe, in the face of the evidence, the optimists who have been wrong in the past. To suggest we are on the edge of defeat is to yield to unreasonable pessimism. To say that we are mired in stalemate seems the only realistic, yet unsatisfactory, conclusion. On the off chance that military and political analysts are right, in the next few months we must test the enemy's intentions, in case this is indeed his last big gasp before negotiations. But it is increasingly clear to this reporter that the only rational way out then will be to negotiate, not as victors, but as an honorable people who lived up to their pledge to defend democracy, and did the best they could.

This is Walter Cronkite. Good night.

re: #50 Kenneth

In the case of Afghanistan, define "win". I never heard Obama define it and a never heard Bush define it either.

Obama:

"victory" in the war-torn country isn't necessarily the United States' goal

re: #61 Rancher

It was a military disaster for the Viet Cong Walter. CBS turned it into a political victory.

Precisely. IIRC post war accounts from North Vietnamese generals confirmed that the protests in America gave them the will to hang on.
And others have remembered that lesson.
Fuck the media.

re: #67 Occasional Reader

HE'S A SORCERER!

re: #67 Occasional Reader

HE'S A SORCERER!

/MST3K flashback

OH NOES!

re: #9 Occasional Reader

Geez, you crack one joke about "Queen Liz and the smack trade", and the next thing you know...

Callin' her a space alien was the last straw./

re: #50 Kenneth

In the case of Afghanistan, define "win". I never heard Obama define it and a never heard Bush define it either.

Destroy the Taliban and if this means chasing them into Pakistan, pounding whole mountain ranges into sand and dropping napalm to burn out holes a mile deep, then do it.

Form a stable government where people can get on with their lives, whether its a democracy or not, just so long as they dont have to worry about bandits killing their families for not growing opium or tossing acid in the faces of their children.

What Newsbusters is reporting about Glenn Beck.

[Link: newsbusters.org...]

re: #70 Rancher

Cripes! Talk about lowering expectations.

OT: Update on Arizona Tea Party Gun Man...
Pastor Of Gun-Toter At Obama Event Prayed For Obama To Die

Chris Broughton, the man who brought an assault rifle and a handgun to the Obama event in Arizona last week, attended a fiery anti-Obama sermon the day before the event, in which Pastor Steven Anderson said he was going to "pray for Barack Obama to die and go to hell", Anderson confirmed to TPMmuckraker today.
...
I don't obey Barack Obama. And I'd like Barack Obama to melt like a snail tonight," Anderson said in the sermon.

The sermon, which was titled "Why I Hate Barack Obama" and also contained virulent anti-gay themes, continued:

... you're going to tell me that I'm supposed to pray for the socialist devil, murderer, infanticide, who wants to see young children and he wants to see babies killed through abortion and partial-birth abortion and all these different things -- you're gonna tell me I'm supposed to pray for God to give him a good lunch tomorrow while he's in Phoenix, Arizona?

Nope. I'm not gonna pray for his good. I'm going to pray that he dies and goes to hell.

...
The connection between Broughton and Anderson was first pointed out by the Phoenix New Times. During an appearance on the radio show of noted conspiracy theorist Alex Jones, Broughton mentioned that Anderson was his pastor.

Here's the Pastor speaking at a July 4th Tea Party...

He's a well known NWO/Alex Jones quack.

re: #75 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

OK. But I think we went there primarily to destroy Al Qaeda, not necessarily the Taliban.

re: #67 Occasional Reader

HE'S A SORCERER!

/MST3K flashback

WHERE DID IT GO?!

/TV's Frank

re: #76 P. Aaron

Glenn Beck and Rush were talking similar stuff yesterday too. They also proposed that Obama was going to stage a terrorist attack, blame right wing extremists and seize power permanently. This is what passes as conservative thought these days.

I know I am not the first to say this, but it strikes me every time; Michael's photography is stunning!

re: #78 Killgore Trout

I hate it when it becomes obvious some "pastors" don't read their Bible.

1 Timothy 2:1-3
1 I urge, then, first of all, that requests, prayers, intercession and thanksgiving be made for everyone— 2 for kings and all those in authority, that we may live peaceful and quiet lives in all godliness and holiness. 3 This is good, and pleases God our Savior,

re: #75 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Form a stable government where people can get on with their lives, whether its a democracy or not, just so long as they dont have to worry about bandits killing their families for not growing opium or tossing acid in the faces of their children.

Unstable corrupt opium growing governments are deeply ingrained in their culture. That's one of the problems. No history of a central government in a landscape that makes central governance really difficult is another.

re: #75 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Destroy the Taliban and if this means chasing them into Pakistan, pounding whole mountain ranges into sand and dropping napalm to burn out holes a mile deep, then do it.

Form a stable government where people can get on with their lives, whether its a democracy or not, just so long as they dont have to worry about bandits killing their families for not growing opium or tossing acid in the faces of their children.

Or cutting off the index fingers of any who dare to vote.
Those bastards.
*spit*

re: #58 Charles

See the deleted comment above (#46)?

Next time you hit the 'new comments' button it will reappear, if everything's working right.

I don't know about anyone else, but socks that have been missing for months just started popping out of my DVD drive...

re: #79 Kenneth

OK. But I think we went there primarily to destroy Al Qaeda, not necessarily the Taliban.

The Taliban provided safe haven to Al Qaeda and are still the primary force we are fighting there. To them, the idea of Afghanistan and Pakistan are lines on a map. They'll fight where ever they can and withdraw to where ever is safe for them. Until we clear out the mountains on both sides of the border, with or without the Pakistanis, then the Taliban will always have a safe refuge where they can regroup and reinforce.

re: #86 Gearhead

I don't know about anyone else, but socks that have been missing for months just started popping out of my DVD drive...

Well, it could be worse. I think all the pens in my house migrate to the closet to become wire clothes hangers.

re: #78 Killgore Trout

Those jerks hassle the Border Patrol as a hobby. But they call it "standing up for their rights."

re: #83 jcm

It's not even a theological debate with this guy. He's completely off his rocker. I suspect he has mental problems. He videotaped himself recently harassing border agents until they tased him.

re: #78 Killgore Trout

... you're going to tell me that I'm supposed to pray for the socialist devil, murderer, infanticide, who wants to see young children and he wants to see babies killed through abortion and partial-birth abortion and all these different things -- you're gonna tell me I'm supposed to pray for God to give him a good lunch tomorrow while he's in Phoenix, Arizona?

Nope. I'm not gonna pray for his good. I'm going to pray that he dies and goes to hell.

That's not the Pastor Steven Anderson I know!

re: #65 Charles

Charles, fwiw, on my ancient IE 6.0 pressing New Comments does NOT reveal the post but page refresh does.

re: #90 Killgore Trout

It's not even a theological debate with this guy. He's completely off his rocker. I suspect he has mental problems. He videotaped himself recently harassing border agents until they tased him.

I just "love" guys like that.

Thanks for nothing, Steveo.

I look forward to Yon's reports with cool airplane photos mow.

re: #87 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Ok, but suppose Al Qaeda is destroyed. Is the Taliban really our problem anymore?

We would have an interest in the fight only if the Taliban continue to destabilize Pakistan, or if Iran were using the Taliban to advance their interests in Afghanistan.

"now"

One key away ...

PIMF

re: #94 Ojoe

I look forward to Yon's reports with cool airplane photos mow.

Why wait?

"Why I Hate Barack Obama" fundamental baptist preaching

re: #88 MrSilverDragon

Well, it could be worse. I think all the pens in my house migrate to the closet to become wire clothes hangers.

I thought that's what happened to paper clips.

re: #81 Killgore Trout

Glenn Beck and Rush were talking similar stuff yesterday too. They also proposed that Obama was going to stage a terrorist attack, blame right wing extremists and seize power permanently. This is what passes as conservative thought these days.

That is just an outright lie Killgore. I watched the program.

re: #81 Killgore Trout

Some on the left thought as much about Bush. We bought them a roll of tin foil and wished them well.

Those 4409 creeps have lots of videos of themselves making life difficult for the Border Patrol. I hope they go to jail and stay there.

re: #99 Kosh's Shadow

I thought that's what happened to paper clips.

Those go under the bed and become dust bunnies.

re: #100 unrealizedviewpoint

That is just an outright lie Killgore. I watched the program.

M'kay, Killgore... I assume you can link to the transcript, right?

re: #103 MrSilverDragon

Those go under the bed and become dust bunnies.

There was a science fiction story I read years ago that involved someone finding out that wire coathangers were an alien life, and paper clips were their larva.

SPOILER
The protagonist was found at the end strangled by a wire coathanger.

re: #76 P. Aaron

What Newsbusters is reporting about Glenn Beck.

[Link: newsbusters.org...]

I hate to be a conspiracy nut but I think a back-door "fairness doctrine" is exactly what will be attempted.

re: #105 Kosh's Shadow

There was a science fiction story I read years ago that involved someone finding out that wire coathangers were an alien life, and paper clips were their larva.

SPOILER
The protagonist was found at the end strangled by a wire coathanger.

Do you remember where you read that?

re: #105 Kosh's Shadow

There was a science fiction story I read years ago that involved someone finding out that wire coathangers were an alien life, and paper clips were their larva.

SPOILER
The protagonist was found at the end strangled by a wire coathanger.

Well, Science Fiction supposedly leads to science fact... WE'RE THROUGH THE LOOKING GLASS... AGAIN!

re: #106 Rancher

I hate to be a conspiracy nut but I think a back-door "fairness doctrine" is exactly what will be attempted.

Nothing "conspiracy" about it. The "mainstream" left have been quite transparent in their desire to impose a "fairness" doctrine on all sorts of media, especially since the 2004 election.

re: #95 Kenneth

Ok, but suppose Al Qaeda is destroyed. Is the Taliban really our problem anymore?

We would have an interest in the fight only if the Taliban continue to destabilize Pakistan, or if Iran were using the Taliban to advance their interests in Afghanistan.

1) There is no evidence Al Qaeda and its splinter groups have been destroyed.

2) If Al Qaeda has been destroyed, what is to prevent the Taliban from aiding their successors?

3) The Taliban was an ally of Al Qaeda and has never surrendered. Anything less than an unconditional surrender or their complete destruction is a victory in their books and must not be allowed.

re: #105 Kosh's Shadow

There was a science fiction story I read years ago that involved someone finding out that wire coathangers were an alien life, and paper clips were their larva.

SPOILER
The protagonist was found at the end strangled by a wire coathanger.

I believe it's a Stephen King story. I remember it (though not the paper clip part).

re: #105 Kosh's Shadow

There was a science fiction story I read years ago that involved someone finding out that wire coathangers were an alien life, and paper clips were their larva.

SPOILER
The protagonist was found at the end strangled by a wire coathanger.

Do you remember the story, "Press Enter"?

re: #111 Occasional Reader

I believe it's a Stephen King story. I remember it (though not the paper clip part).

Which one? I have read most. Is it in Skeleton Crew or the Bachman Books?

re: #104 Occasional Reader

M'kay, Killgore... I assume you can link to the transcript, right?

I can do better Killgore. here's the video

Part 1

Part 2

btw - the links wouldn't convert.

re: #84 Rancher

Unstable corrupt opium growing governments are deeply ingrained in their culture. That's one of the problems. No history of a central government in a landscape that makes central governance really difficult is another.

Winning the Afghan war in any conventional sense means killing off not only all the Taliban but also all the druglords and any warlords who refuse to relinquish the drug trade and completely destroying the opium industry. It also means maintaining a credible and massive deterrent over the Islamofascist heads of them and their neighbours for the foreseeable future.

It was never gonna happen under Bush and it sure ain't gonna happen under Obama - unless the fuckers manage to nuke an American city or commit some other major terrorist attack on US soil.

re: #113 Creeping Eruption

Which one? I have read most. Is it in Skeleton Crew or the Bachman Books?

Not Bachman, I don't think. May be SC, or one of the other short story collections.

re: #111 Occasional Reader

I believe it's a Stephen King story. I remember it (though not the paper clip part).

Remember "The Flexible Bullet"? The Stephen King short that single-handedly preserved Fantasy & Science Fiction for a whole three years, because it was so good and everyone kept subscribing in the hopes of getting another one like that?

Instead, we got the leading edge of the wiccan celtoids.

re: #98 Killgore Trout

Dude's wack.

re: #117 Dianna

Remember "The Flexible Bullet"? The Stephen King short that single-handedly preserved Fantasy & Science Fiction for a whole three years, because it was so good and everyone kept subscribing in the hopes of getting another one like that?

Instead, we got the leading edge of the wiccan celtoids.

I don't remember that story, and have no idea what a wiccan celtoid is. Is it some sort of Curiously Strong Mint?

/

re: #114 unrealizedviewpoint

Here's a transcript of the interview by Beck of Rush...

re: #109 Occasional Reader

Nothing "conspiracy" about it. The "mainstream" left have been quite transparent in their desire to impose a "fairness" doctrine on all sorts of media, especially since the 2004 election.

Add to that, did you ever think that you would have a President who would sic SEIU thugs on American citizens?

re: #110 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

I didn't mean to suggest Al Qaeda is destroyed. Far from it. I meant suppose they will be destroyed at some point in the future...

What I'm getting at is this: if the Taliban revert to a purely local tribal insurgent group, is that our fight? Maybe, maybe not.

re: #107 Creeping Eruption

Do you remember where you read that?

Some collection of SF short stories. This was probably 30 years ago, so I don't remember the exact book.

c'mon Killgore, where in do Beck or Limbaugh say Obama will stage a terrorists attack?

re: #111 Occasional Reader

I believe it's a Stephen King story. I remember it (though not the paper clip part).

I think I read it before Stephen King was big, so if it was one of his, it was very early.

re: #120 Athos

Here's a transcript of the interview by Beck of Rush...

If you watch MSNBC, I contend that you will see the future, because they are laying the ground for a horrible event that will be... What they're laying the ground for, anything from the right some awful event -- and I fear this government, this administration, has so much framework already prepared that they will seize power overnight before anybody even gives it a second thought.

-Glenn Beck

re: #120 Athos

Here's a transcript of the interview by Beck of Rush...

From that link:

This is what he [FCC "diversity officer"] said at a speech or talk he was giving about Chavez's Venezuela and how the media work down there. Watch this.

MARK LLOYD: In Venezuela, with Chavez, you really had an incredible revolution -- democratic revolution -- to begin to put in place things that were going to have impact on the people of Venezuela. The property owners and the folks who were then controlling the media in Venezuela rebelled -- worked, frankly, with folks here in the US government -- worked to oust him. He came back and had another revolution, and Chavez then started to take the media very seriously in his country.

Holy shit.

re: #112 Dianna

Do you remember the story, "Press Enter"?

No; it sounds vaguely familiar, but if I read it, I can't place it.

re: #104 Occasional Reader

re: #122 Kenneth

I didn't mean to suggest Al Qaeda is destroyed. Far from it. I meant suppose they will be destroyed at some point in the future...

What I'm getting at is this: if the Taliban revert to a purely local tribal insurgent group, is that our fight? Maybe, maybe not.

If that was all it was, no. But, these Taliban guys gave refuge and a safe place to hid for AQ. As long as they keep doing that, we should hunt them down and stomp them. Or, they will come right back and do something even worse to us next time. We need to make the Taliban realize that we are not going away until they give it up. Of course, they are banking on the fact that Obama is a spineless weasel who will pull out of there the first chance he gets.

re: #124 unrealizedviewpoint

I know you can't/won't acknowledge what was said in the interview. It's a waste of time to debate it with you. You're stuck on stupid and there's nothing I can do to help.

re: #120 Athos

Here's a transcript of the interview by Beck of Rush...

From there:

BECK: Rush, tomorrow on this program I'm going to lay out the case of the army that they are building right underneath our nose, an army that he spoke about on the campaign trail. If you watch what could only be called the organizations -- or the administration's organ -- anything involved with GE or NBC; you've got now Jeffrey Immelt on the board of the Federal Reserve, you have in the Oval Office consulting not only on health care but the financial situation, and they are an organ. If you watch MSNBC, I contend that you will see the future, because they are laying the ground for a horrible event that will be... What they're laying the ground for, anything from the right some awful event -- and I fear this government, this administration, has so much framework already prepared that they will seize power overnight before anybody even gives it a second thought.

re: #112 Dianna

Do you remember Alfred Hitchcock's THE JAR

Killgore the gist of Becks piece was about a Van Jones - The communist in the White House. Jone, the guy highlighted here by none other than your host Charles. Here's quick short piece some may care to read: [Link: www.powerlineblog.com...]

re: #117 Dianna

Remember "The Flexible Bullet"? The Stephen King short that single-handedly preserved Fantasy & Science Fiction for a whole three years, because it was so good and everyone kept subscribing in the hopes of getting another one like that?

Instead, we got the leading edge of the wiccan celtoids.

F&SF seems to still be around. The story I sent you got rejected by them, but with an actual note from the assistant editor.
(I hope to finish the rewrite this weekend or next weekend, but I've thought I'd have the time before and didn't. Thanks for the criticism; this time, the story has a much more interesting plot.)

re: #122 Kenneth

I didn't mean to suggest Al Qaeda is destroyed. Far from it. I meant suppose they will be destroyed at some point in the future...

What I'm getting at is this: if the Taliban revert to a purely local tribal insurgent group, is that our fight? Maybe, maybe not.

In my book, yes, it remains our fight and should be wiped out to the last man. They made the mistake of allying with enemies who killed over 3000 US civilians and the mere fact they weren't up to the task of fighting our military over the long haul is irrelevant. They picked a side when the fight started and must be made to suffer the consequences, even if in the long run, it is just to serve as an example to others.

re: #126 Sharmuta

If you watch MSNBC, I contend that you will see the future, because they are laying the ground for a horrible event that will be... What they're laying the ground for, anything from the right some awful event -- and I fear this government, this administration, has so much framework already prepared that they will seize power overnight before anybody even gives it a second thought.

It sounds to me Beck was talking about some horrible event "from the right", not from the government, being used as an excuse for the gov't to seize greater controls. He did not say the gov't will carry out a terrorist attack.

re: #119 Occasional Reader

I don't remember that story, and have no idea what a wiccan celtoid is. Is it some sort of Curiously Strong Mint?

/

A wiccan celtoid is one of the folks who decided that spirituality was to be found in worship of the goddess and particularly using Celtic imagery.

Think of some of the drippier fantasy of the late 80's and early 90's, and you won't go far wrong.

Look up King's "The Flexible Bullet." It's excellent.

re: #120 Athos

Here's a transcript of the interview by Beck of Rush...

And imagine my surprise that I don't find any part in which Limbaugh and Beck discuss Obama "staging a terrorist attack".

YOO-HOO... KILLGORE... care to explain?

Okeedokee folkies, time for me to go home and try to make my better half happy. Y'all have a good night, hope to catch ya tomorrow!

re: #134 unrealizedviewpoint

Killgore the gist of Becks piece was about a Van Jones - The communist in the White House. Jone, the guy highlighted here by none other than your host Charles. Here's quick short piece some may care to read: [Link: www.powerlineblog.com...]

Then he moved on to Mark lloyd, another communist.

re: #131 Killgore Trout

I know you can't/won't acknowledge what was said in the interview. It's a waste of time to debate it with you. You're stuck on stupid and there's nothing I can do to help.

put up or shut up.

Accuse like crazy, then when you are called on it, you go ad hominem? I expected more for you, Killgore.

re: #128 Kosh's Shadow

No; it sounds vaguely familiar, but if I read it, I can't place it.

John Varley. I read it in Analog or Azimov's back in the mists of time. Possibly as late as 1991, but I think earlier.

re: #130 Desert Dog

If that was all it was, no. But, these Taliban guys gave refuge and a safe place to hid for AQ. As long as they keep doing that, we should hunt them down and stomp them. Or, they will come right back and do something even worse to us next time. We need to make the Taliban realize that we are not going away until they give it up. Of course, they are banking on the fact that Obama is a spineless weasel who will pull out of there the first chance he gets.

There are other points. The Taliban if not destroyed could let Al Queda regroup there again. Also if we don't have a demonstrable victory it will play into Jihadi triumphalism all over Islam.
The question is how long can we sustain it while support is slipping?

re: #137 Kenneth

9/11 was an inside job!

re: #142 Desert Dog

I expected more for you, Killgore.

Then you're an idiot.

re: #132 wrenchwench

Lord what an incoherent loon. No mention of staged terror atcks, though.

re: #139 Occasional Reader

And imagine my surprise that I don't find any part in which Limbaugh and Beck discuss Obama "staging a terrorist attack".

YOO-HOO... KILLGORE... care to explain?

Nope, I guess you are too stupid as well...I am betting am I too

re: #135 Kosh's Shadow

Cool! I look forward to reading it! And I hope I helped.

re: #131 Killgore Trout

I know you can't/won't acknowledge what was said in the interview. It's a waste of time to debate it with you. You're stuck on stupid and there's nothing I can do to help.

You son of a bitch. Your caught red handed, and that's your response.

re: #149 Dianna

Cool! I look forward to reading it! And I hope I helped.

You helped. When I have the next draft ready, should I just send it?

re: #133 yochanan

Do you remember Alfred Hitchcock's THE JAR

Not off-hand. Was it a short story in the mystery magazine, or one of his TV shorts?

Anyone who thinks ANYTHING positive has come from the Venezuelan military dictatorship under Chavez has no reason to be respected.

re: #131 Killgore Trout

I know you can't/won't acknowledge what was said in the interview. It's a waste of time to debate it with you. You're stuck on stupid and there's nothing I can do to help.

Uh, no.

I don't like Beck, but you missrepresented what he said. So your attack here is unwarranted, and ignoble.

re: #133 yochanan

Do you remember Alfred Hitchcock's THE JAR

The one with the head in the jar which would go out hunting?

re: #150 unrealizedviewpoint

If you watch MSNBC, I contend that you will see the future, because they are laying the ground for a horrible event that will be... What they're laying the ground for, anything from the right some awful event -- and I fear this government, this administration, has so much framework already prepared that they will seize power overnight before anybody even gives it a second thought.

re: #144 opnion

There are other points. The Taliban if not destroyed could let Al Queda regroup there again. Also if we don't have a demonstrable victory it will play into Jihadi triumphalism all over Islam.
The question is how long can we sustain it while support is slipping?

The graveyard of Empires...If it was just a matter of leaving them to their own devices, I say let's pull out tomorrow. But, this world is too small now for us to do that. We have to stick around and we have to come up with a better strategy. Bush did not have a good plan, and Obama is floundering. I hope we can come up with something that will at least stabilize this area. If we do not, we will all suffer the consequences.

re: #151 Kosh's Shadow

You helped. When I have the next draft ready, should I just send it?

Yes, please.

This weekend will be useless, as we're celebrating the Male's birthday (smoked turkey, 6 guests...you can imagine, I'm sure).

Hi everyone,

I've posted a couple of links in Linkviewer giving a British perspective of the censuring of Yon by the MoD, now known as the Ministry of Defeat.

[Link: eureferendum.blogspot.com...]

[Link: defenceoftherealm.blogspot.com...]

re: #154 Occasional Reader

they are laying the ground for a horrible event that will be... What they're laying the ground for, anything from the right some awful event -- and I fear this government, this administration, has so much framework already prepared that they will seize power overnight before anybody even gives it a second thought.

re: #153 experiencedtraveller

Anyone who thinks ANYTHING positive has come from the Venezuelan military dictatorship under Chavez has no reason to be respected.

Even worse, the guy is using this as a backdrop to talking about how wonderful the Chavez "revolution" has been for THE MEDIA. Which he has more or less taken over. Quite the cheering message to hear from an FCC appointee.

The worst thing about Beck is when he sounds... right.

re: #136 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

OK, I can accept that as a clear definition of "winning" in Afghanistan.

In my opinion, we must completely destroy Al Qaeda. That is a fight that extends well beyond Afghanistan. If the Taliban stops supporting AQ and agrees to join the political process in Afghanistan, then we can stop fighting them. Democracy, freedom, stopping corruption & economic development in Afghanistan are all means to that end, they are not goals in themselves.

re: #131 Killgore Trout

I know you can't/won't acknowledge what was said in the interview. It's a waste of time to debate it with you. You're stuck on stupid and there's nothing I can do to help.

Put up or back off.

re: #66 experiencedtraveller

You know what I love about the US Air Force?

The line in their anthem:

Nothing can stop the US Air Force.

* * * *
IF Nancy Pelosi and her family don't have first dibs on the big Air Force planes...

re: #148 Desert Dog

Nope, I guess you are too stupid as well...I am betting am I too

Good thing Killgore is downdinging us all, to PROVE how right he is, and how stupid we are!

Anybody else want me to cut and paste the quote for them?

I think the UK (as well as other NATO members?) are gearing up for a pull-out...(it's a political decision, based on polls of the electorate).

re: #156 Killgore Trout

If you watch MSNBC, I contend that you will see the future, because they are laying the ground for a horrible event that will be... What they're laying the ground for, anything from the right some awful event -- and I fear this government, this administration, has so much framework already prepared that they will seize power overnight before anybody even gives it a second thought

Reading into that much? Wow!
That says Obama gonna stage a terrorists attack?

re: #156 Killgore Trout

If you watch MSNBC, I contend that you will see the future, because they are laying the ground for a horrible event that will be... What they're laying the ground for, anything from the right some awful event -- and I fear this government, this administration, has so much framework already prepared that they will seize power overnight before anybody even gives it a second thought.

Beck was saying that the left/MSNBC and Obama would use any right-wing attack to justify taking away Beck's precious freedom and his rubber ducky. And yes, I agree there's a hint of "they just might stage it" in there.

re: #166 Killgore Trout

Anybody else want me to cut and paste the quote for them?

We tremble at your cutting and pasting!! Please, no mas!

[Link: www.hulu.com...]

enter if you dare.

re: #165 Occasional Reader

they are laying the ground for a horrible event that will be... What they're laying the ground for, anything from the right some awful event -- and I fear this government, this administration, has so much framework already prepared that they will seize power overnight before anybody even gives it a second thought.

re: #158 Dianna

Yes, please.

This weekend will be useless, as we're celebrating the Male's birthday (smoked turkey, 6 guests...you can imagine, I'm sure).

Have a great time. And if I do have it done this weekend, it will be late in the weekend.

re: #165 Occasional Reader

they are laying the ground for a horrible event that will be... What they're laying the ground for, anything from the right some awful event -- and I fear this government, this administration, has so much framework already prepared that they will seize power overnight before anybody even gives it a second thought.

re: #166 Killgore Trout

Anybody else want me to cut and paste the quote for them?

As already noted above, the quote appears to be about them taking advantage of some event "from the right", not about staging one.

Nice try.

OT

ABC, NBC refuse to air ad in opposition to Obamacare.

Now that's news we can trust.

This exchange needs to be quoted in full:

re: #142 Desert Dog

put up or shut up.

Accuse like crazy, then when you are called on it, you go ad hominem? I expected more for you, Killgore.

re: #146 Killgore Trout

Then you're an idiot.

There you have it, straight from the horse's mouth: if you expect facts to back up his hysterical screeds, you're an idiot.

re: #169 Charles

Sorry to waste your bandwidth by posting the same quote repeatedly but it seems the only way to get certain people to acknowledge it.

re: #157 Desert Dog

The graveyard of Empires...If it was just a matter of leaving them to their own devices, I say let's pull out tomorrow. But, this world is too small now for us to do that. We have to stick around and we have to come up with a better strategy. Bush did not have a good plan, and Obama is floundering. I hope we can come up with something that will at least stabilize this area. If we do not, we will all suffer the consequences.

Yeah, I would like to get our troops out now, but if we look defeated our enemies will come harder at us. Obama is weak & I don't think that he really has his heart in it & our troops are at risk.

re: #126 Sharmuta

-Glenn Beck

He is accusing Obama of having made preparations to possibly stage a coup d'etat if public order breaks down due to a terror attack.

re: #168 unrealizedviewpoint

It's interesting you're so bothered by Killgore's take on this comment. What about Beck fanning the flames of paranoia that our President is going to declair himself dictator?

re: #169 Charles

Beck was saying that the left/MSNBC and Obama would use any right-wing attack to justify taking away Beck's precious freedom and his rubber ducky. And yes, I agree there's a hint of "they just might stage it" in there.

1) That's not what Killgore said.
2) I saw nothing like that at all in the interview. he spoke to: if something were to take place.

I had heard that the British Ministry of Defense disliked Yon's last report, to which Charles linked. Yon said some mildly snarky things (paraphrasing] like "A British soldier said the British media like to report how much the soldiers miss being home. I report on how much the British military enjoys busting up the Taliban. The soldiers prefer my reporting." I can see how a thin-skinned military bureaucrat back in UK might be pissed off.

As for Afghanistan, defining "victory" is a big problem. I have no doubt that the military are doing a great job there. I wonder about the strategic situation, however. Should we shift to more of a containment strategy using proxies in the region, or continue to try full-fledged nation-building? Do we want large number of U.S. troops pinned down in Afghanistan when the Russians are making noises about Ukraine, and the Iranians continue to brew up their toxic nuclear stew?

re: #175 Occasional Reader

they are laying the ground for a horrible event

re: #131 Killgore Trout

BECK: Rush, tomorrow on this program I'm going to lay out the case of the army that they are building right underneath our nose, an army that he spoke about on the campaign trail. If you watch what could only be called the organizations -- or the administration's organ -- anything involved with GE or NBC; you've got now Jeffrey Immelt on the board of the Federal Reserve, you have in the Oval Office consulting not only on health care but the financial situation, and they are an organ. If you watch MSNBC, I contend that you will see the future, because they are laying the ground for a horrible event that will be... What they're laying the ground for, anything from the right some awful event -- and I fear this government, this administration, has so much framework already prepared that they will seize power overnight before anybody even gives it a second thought.

RUSH: Well, I think because of what you're doing with your television show, your radio show -- what we're all doing here -- I don't think they're going to be able to seize it overnight without anybody knowing about it. You talk about the organized groups that they've got. Let's look at the health care situation, what's happening right now. The genuine passion, the real passion is in individual Americans' hearts and minds. Individuals are showing up. They may be going to the Web to find out where these town halls are, but they're showing up because individually they don't want any part of this. The Obama army has to be bought and paid for. The Obama army has to be given marching orders.

Bold added

This seems far more like a suspositions on Beck's part that Obama and his team will be creating crisis that in the words of Rahm, they will not let go to waste...and according to Beck seize more power overnight - which Rush doesn't think can or will happen.

As for the only references around terrorism - From Rush -

My first hour yesterday was chronicling how this man is systematically dismantling our ability to gather intelligence to protect ourselves against an attack. He is purposely using his attorney general to make the United States the villain of the world -- and I'm going to tell you, folks: from the bottom of my heart, I am uncomfortable thinking and saying these things about a man who's been elected president of the United States.

It is entirely debatable that changing the focus of the counterterrorism position of the US from the post 9/11 approach to the 9/10 approach does increase the risk of a possible terror attack - but Kilgore, you are lumping 2 different issues into an invalid point to further your own agenda.

If you want to forment a debate on if the Obama admin is encouraging crisis in this country in order to expand the power of his Exec Branch - that is a legitimate debate to have.

If you want to forment a debate on if the transition of the counterterrorism focus from a military to a criminal focus increases or decreases the risk of a future attack, that is a legitimate debate to have.

If you want to forment a debate that Beck is leveraging hyperbole and fear tactics to oppose the policies of the Obama Administration and is nothing more than a crank - that is a legitimate debate to have...but please do so with an intellectual honesty and not put words in their mouths to further an agenda.

re: #175 Occasional Reader

As already noted above, the quote appears to be about them taking advantage of some event "from the right", not about staging one.

Nice try.

Beck has hinted quite a few times that certain mysterious forces might stage a "right wing" attack and blame it on people like him and Rush. It's really not out of character for him.

Van JOnes: I'm basically a community organizer inside the Federal Family!
(seconds ago on Fox News Cable)

re: #181 Sharmuta

It's interesting you're so bothered by Killgore's take on this comment. What about Beck fanning the flames of paranoia that our President is going to declair himself dictator?

Now you just did it. No one said Obama is going to declare himself dictator.

re: #177 Kenneth

they are laying the ground for a horrible event that will be... What they're laying the ground for, anything from the right some awful event -- and I fear this government, this administration, has so much framework already prepared that they will seize power overnight before anybody even gives it a second thought.

re: #127 Occasional Reader

This Mark Lloyd?

Mark Lloyd is vice president of strategic initiatives at the Leadership Conference on Civil Rights.

The link is to The National Conference for Media Reform.

re: #184 Killgore Trout

they are laying the ground for a horrible event ... from the right

You conveniently dropped a few words.

and here's a good analysis from the same author about Yon's embed with 2 Rifles in Sangin.

[Link: defenceoftherealm.blogspot.com...]

re: #180 Spare O'Lake

He is accusing Obama of having made preparations to possibly stage a coup d'etat if public order breaks down due to a terror attack.

That's exactly what he said.

re: #185 Athos

If you want to forment a debate on if the Obama admin is encouraging crisis in this country in order to expand the power of his Exec Branch - that is a legitimate debate to have.

Not really. Shall we debate 9-11 being an inside job as well? I have no patience for it.

re: #188 unrealizedviewpoint

Then what am I supposed to make "seize power"? He's the President- what power would he need to seize?

re: #186 Charles

Looney talk sure is hard to interpret sometimes.

re: #181 Sharmuta

It's interesting you're so bothered by Killgore's take on this comment. What about Beck fanning the flames of paranoia that our President is going to declair himself dictator?

Is that when you take away a person's eclair?
From her cold dead hands?

re: #190 MandyManners

This Mark Lloyd?

Mark Lloyd is vice president of strategic initiatives at the Leadership Conference on Civil Rights.

The link is to The National Conference for Media Reform.

Speakers at the event:

Adrienne Maree Brown (pdf), Ruckus Society

Amy Klobuchar (pdf), United States Senate (D-Minn.)

Bill Moyers (pdf), Bill Moyers Journal

Dan Rather, Dan Rather Reports

Janis Lane-Ewart (pdf), KFAI-FM, Fresh Air Radio

Jonathan Adelstein, Federal Communications Commission

Josh Silver (pdf), Free Press

Michael Copps, Federal Communications Commission

Robert McChesney (pdf), Free Press

re: #169 Charles

Beck was saying that the left/MSNBC and Obama would use any right-wing attack to justify taking away Beck's precious freedom and his rubber ducky. And yes, I agree there's a hint of "they just might stage it" in there.

I think it shows Beck's paranoia and persecution complex.

Kilgore's reading, however, displays his own.

re: #181 Sharmuta

It's interesting you're so bothered by Killgore's take on this comment. What about Beck fanning the flames of paranoia that our President is going to declair himself dictator?

That's a big bingo for you, Sharmuta. You hit the nail on the head. But KT overstated Beck's totally insane position.

re: #184 Killgore Trout

re: #175 Occasional Reader

they are laying the ground for a horrible event

And what he was immediately referring to, RIGHT before that (the part you, you know, keep omitting), is intervention in the economy, placing his people in charge of finance and industry, etc., to TAKE ADVANTAGE of something "horrible" that happens. Which might be nuts, but is not the same thing of accusing them of preparing to STAGE an event.

Thanks for downdinging everyone who disagrees with you, by the way.

re: #137 Kenneth

It sounds to me Beck was talking about some horrible event "from the right", not from the government, being used as an excuse for the gov't to seize greater controls. He did not say the gov't will carry out a terrorist attack.

Thats how I read it

re: #169 Charles

Beck was saying that the left/MSNBC and Obama would use any right-wing attack to justify taking away Beck's precious freedom and his rubber ducky. And yes, I agree there's a hint of "they just might stage it" in there.

And as crazy and offensive as Beck is, his right to free speech is also our right. If they take it away from him, we all lose.

(And I really hate defending anyone who hangs around Birchers.)

I've got two turntables and a microphone.

Beck seethes with paranoia. It's not a pretty sight, even to a conservative.

re: #189 Killgore Trout

re: #177 Kenneth

they are laying the ground for a horrible event that will be... What they're laying the ground for, anything from the right some awful event -- and I fear this government, this administration, has so much framework already prepared that they will seize power overnight before anybody even gives it a second thought.

Beck's assertion, which I do agree is characteristically paranoid, is that Obama will seize on "anything from the right some awful event" as an excuse or opportunity to seize more powers. It does not say the gov't will commit a terrorist attack. You invented that part.

re: #186 Charles

Beck has hinted quite a few times that certain mysterious forces might stage a "right wing" attack and blame it on people like him and Rush. It's really not out of character for him.

I am no fan of Beck's. But Killgore made a specific claim about something said in this interview. And that claim was a distortion.

I have witnessed Beck being an absolute idiot. Sometimes even idiots are right on somethings. Discount everything he says at your own peril.

re: #186 Charles

Beck has hinted quite a few times that certain mysterious forces might stage a "right wing" attack and blame it on people like him and Rush. It's really not out of character for him.

Already been done in Denver

re: #203 Kosh's Shadow

And as crazy and offensive as Beck is, his right to free speech is also our right. If they take it away from him, we all lose.

(And I really hate defending anyone who hangs around Birchers.)

As far as I know, Glenn Beck's right to free speech is in no danger.

_cough

re: #181 Sharmuta

That wasn't what people are having a problem with.

re: #189 Killgore Trout

Never let a good crisis go to waste!

Energy, education, healthcare, fiscal, tax, regulatory area, etc...

re: #198 MandyManners

What kind of media reform would it be if Dan Rather is a part of the movement?

Hey, let's have a poll!

Beck said the attack would

A) be staged by the Obamatrons
B) come from the wackos on the right
C) I need to consult my Quija board

re: #198 MandyManners

Speakers at the event:

Adrienne Maree Brown (pdf), Ruckus Society

Amy Klobuchar (pdf), United States Senate (D-Minn.)

Bill Moyers (pdf), Bill Moyers Journal

Dan Rather, Dan Rather Reports

Janis Lane-Ewart (pdf), KFAI-FM, Fresh Air Radio

Jonathan Adelstein, Federal Communications Commission

Josh Silver (pdf), Free Press

Michael Copps, Federal Communications Commission

Robert McChesney (pdf), Free Press

* * * *
Wouldn't these folks just love to be totally "FREE" press, on your tax dollar? Oh wait, Bill Moyers, President Johnson's flack, has already been paid by you his whole life!

National Public Radio, at this President's beck & call! That's not "reform", that's a hostile takeover by a single party of your wallet.

what about the democrat activist the trashed the col. dem. party hq?

and the col. donks tried to blame the GOP until the cops busted the democrat.

re: #214 Danny

Hey, let's have a poll!

Beck said the attack would

A) be staged by the Obamatrons
B) come from the wackos on the right
C) I need to consult my Quija board

Perfect. The answer is C.

re: #213 MandyManners

What kind of media reform would it be if Dan Rather is a part of the movement?

Evidence will now be optional.

/

“...sudden ending of my embed.” Oof.

Maybe they warned him and he went and nouned one verb too many? ;^)

re: #215 alegrias

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Wouldn't these folks just love to be totally "FREE" press, on your tax dollar? Oh wait, Bill Moyers, President Johnson's flack, has already been paid by you his whole life!

National Public Radio, at this President's beck & call! That's not "reform", that's a hostile takeover by a single party of your wallet.

I'm digging around at that site. I'm also looking into Mark Lloyd, the"diversity officeer" at the FCC.

And by the way, if Killgore (or anyone) can show that the nutjob praising Chavez is NOT actually an FCC appointee, I will be mightily relieved.

re: #213 MandyManners

What kind of media reform would it be if Dan Rather is a part of the movement?

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Or Bill Moyer, that fat leftist tick sucking the federal tit at PBS until death do us part?

Well, I have no idea what all the arguing is about -- what some future event yet to happen? C'mon, there's enough s*t happening right now -- another 100 wounded in Afghanistan (rigged elections, etc.); another 300 wounded in Iraq (with al-Qaeda on an upsurge); more show trials in Iran; more American soldiers killed in roadside bombs; a special prosecutor appointed by Obama to look into the CIA; health care meltdown plus economy in shambles -- and some are arguing about what, exactly -- some ridiculous event "prophecied" by Glenn Beck? lol (is that for "comic relief" or what?)

President Obama doesn't need to "seize power". He already has it, together with overwhelming control of the Congress, thanks to the last election. Beck's paranoia reminds me of the old joke: "You're not paranoid if the little green men really are out to get you." We've elected the little green men. That's the reality. Are they out to get us? That depends on your politics.

The "stimulus" package is a modern-day Democratic spoils system. That means Democrats can tap the federal treasury for pet projects at will to but off the electorate. A trillion dollars is a lot of money. It'll be interesting to see if it works.

re: #214 Danny

Hey, let's have a poll!

Beck said the attack would

A) be staged by the Obamatrons
B) come from the wackos on the right
C) I need to consult my Quija board

D) Palin is stupid.

Had to add that one for Cato

re: #219 Cato the Elder

“...sudden ending of my embed.” Oof.

Maybe they warned him and he went and nouned one verb too many? ;^)

He did not use a "u" when he spelled colour and he kept referring to chips as french fries. The straw that broke the camels back was he kept calling them "vita-mins", not "vitta-mins"

It's a bit silly to try to parse the words of a lunatic.

It may be overstating a little to say Beck said Obama's going to stage a terror attack.

However, some of what Beck said in that quote could be interpreted that way, especially in context with his many earlier conspiratorial fantasies.

re: #81 Killgore Trout

Glenn Beck and Rush were talking similar stuff yesterday too. They also proposed that Obama was going to stage a terrorist attack, blame right wing extremists and seize power permanently. This is what passes as conservative thought these days.

What Beck said:

they are laying the ground for a horrible event that will be... What they're laying the ground for, anything from the right some awful event -- and I fear this government, this administration, has so much framework already prepared that they will seize power overnight before anybody even gives it a second thought.

Killgore, your "interpretation" added the bits about Obama committing a terrorist attack and seizing power permanently. I find that intellectually sloppy.

re: #221 Occasional Reader

And by the way, if Killgore (or anyone) can show that the nutjob praising Chavez is NOT actually an FCC appointee, I will be mightily relieved.

Well, so much for that idea. No mighty relief in sight.

politics = polly and ticks or many blood sucking bugs

re: #204 cliffster

I've got two turntables and a microphone.

Now there's some Beck I can get behind down with!

re: #223 J.S.

Well, I have no idea what all the arguing is about --

Amen. Enough said about that clown.

Beck's grandiosity is coming through as well. He thinks he's important enough for Obama to do something bad to? I doubt Obama cares.

re: #201 Occasional Reader

And what he was immediately referring to, RIGHT before that (the part you, you know, keep omitting),

He's refereeing to MSNBC, Liberal and the administration.

re: #217 Silvergirl

Perfect. The answer is C.

Glad we have THAT cleared up!!
I've been reading and getting a" Lack'O' Suds" headache!!
Thankfully it's my Friday and I'm going home to a cold
Cutthroat (it's a beer not my Mrs..) and mow the lawn
with my new rider mower(W/cup holder)!!
Have a safe and sane weekend kids!!

re: #210 Charles

As far as I know, Glenn Beck's right to free speech is in no danger.

_cough

Correct.
Here, have one of these.

What do you all think about Obama's call for a civilian national security force? I thought the National Guard protects us at home when need be.

beck is on the fringe in the same way that liberals like rosie o'd are. just the other side

re: #231 wrenchwench

Now there's some Beck I can get behind down with!

Where It's At!

re: #232 Kenneth

Amen. Enough said about that clown.

Like I noted above... what I hate most about Beck is when he's right.

An Obama FCC appointee, associate general counsel and "diversity officer" really DID praise the wonderful things the "Chavez Revolution" has done for the media in Venezuela.

I would have believed this to be pure paranoia if I hadn't checked it for myself.

If I may add my .2 on this hot debate - I doubt serioiusly The Won could pull off a coup of any sort, as he'd have to stand before the military and give them orders they would refuse to obey. He doesn't have enough ACORN, SEIU people to back him up on this either.

I don't think Beck put much thought into what he was saying. If the health care scam riled up folks, what does he think a coup would do?

Never mind if two pundits with millions of viewers/listeners are waxing poetic on kookspiracies. Some guy on the internet is putting words in their mouths. Git 'im!

re: #232 Kenneth

Amen. Enough said about that clown.

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Yes, it's true Glenn Beck used to be a rodeo clown.

Not that there's anything wrong with that.

Consider some of the clowns in the Presidential entourage & network.

re: #232 Kenneth

Amen. Enough said about that clown.

Beck is a simpering imecile and everything he says is suspect.

re: #237 midwestgak

He's always advocated for more national service for young people. Of course, Michelle has played politics by putting her buddies in charge of AmeriCorps, so it looks like another patronage play at the moment.

re: #231 wrenchwench

I just got that!!LOL
Jeff Beck!!
I really do need an adult beverage!!

re: #237 midwestgak

What do you all think about Obama's call for a civilian national security force?

More right wing paranoia. In fact I'm pretty sure Beck's show tonight will focus on Obama's private army.
/Not kidding.

re: #223 J.S.

Well, I have no idea what all the arguing is about -- what some future event yet to happen? C'mon, there's enough s*t happening right now -- another 100 wounded in Afghanistan (rigged elections, etc.); another 300 wounded in Iraq (with al-Qaeda on an upsurge); more show trials in Iran; more American soldiers killed in roadside bombs; a special prosecutor appointed by Obama to look into the CIA; health care meltdown plus economy in shambles -- and some are arguing about what, exactly -- some ridiculous event "prophecied" by Glenn Beck? lol (is that for "comic relief" or what?)

How many lunatics can you stand on the point of a pin?
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re: #224 quickjustice

President Obama doesn't need to "seize power". He already has it, together with overwhelming control of the Congress, thanks to the last election. Beck's paranoia reminds me of the old joke: "You're not paranoid if the little green men really are out to get you." We've elected the little green men. That's the reality. Are they out to get us? That depends on your politics.

The "stimulus" package is a modern-day Democratic spoils system. That means Democrats can tap the federal treasury for pet projects at will to but off the electorate. A trillion dollars is a lot of money. It'll be interesting to see if it works.

Are you saying Obama is an alien?
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(If the nirthers read that post, some will go off with that crazy idea that Obama really does come from space.)

re: #240 Occasional Reader

Like I noted above... what I hate most about Beck is when he's right.

An Obama FCC appointee, associate general counsel and "diversity officer" really DID praise the wonderful things the "Chavez Revolution" has done for the media in Venezuela.

I would have believed this to be pure paranoia if I hadn't checked it for myself.

That was by far the most alarming thing in that transcript. These people really do admire leftists dictatorships. They want that in America.

re: #233 quickjustice

Beck's grandiosity is coming through as well. He thinks he's important enough for Obama to do something bad to? I doubt Obama cares.

The Democratic Party can't buy support like they get from Beck. He is slowly exposing the entire Republican Party to ridicule.

Someone really ought to look at where money flowing to him comes from. I wouldn't be at all surprised to find a Soros-linked front company footing a lot of Beck's expenses.

re: #240 Occasional Reader

Like I noted above... what I hate most about Beck is when he's right.

An Obama FCC appointee, associate general counsel and "diversity officer" really DID praise the wonderful things the "Chavez Revolution" has done for the media in Venezuela.

I would have believed this to be pure paranoia if I hadn't checked it for myself.

Thats the problem with someone who rants none stop after awhile people stop listening even if he happens to say something important.

re: #225 kcladderman

Cato's not here ya ding whore!!LOL

re: #237 midwestgak

What do you all think about Obama's call for a civilian national security force? I thought the National Guard protects us at home when need be.

I believe THAT quote was Obama basically rambling incoherently, and is a lousy talking point for conservatives. There is no "civilian national security force" being assembled. There's no there there.