The Arizona Gun Stunt and the Pastor of Death

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The freak who brought an AR15 semi-automatic rifle to an Obama rally in Arizona is interviewed, as he attends the church of Pastor Steven Anderson — who is praying that Barack Obama will die: Tempe pastor reiterates wish for President Obama’s death.

“I concur, I think we’d be better off if God would send (Obama) where he’s going now instead of later,” said Broughton. “(Obama) is destroying our country.”

When asked if he was advocating violence against the President, Broughton said he wouldn’t answer the question directly.

“I don’t care how God does it, I’m not going into further detail than that,” said Broughton. “It would be better now than later.”

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1 TheMatrix31  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 3:04:34pm

And MSNBC had everyone believing that this moron was white, then continued talking about white racism towards blacks.

They're both fucking jokes, for two completely different reasons.

2 Killgore Trout  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 3:05:21pm

"I'm not going to answer that question directly."
Ugh.

3 Digital Display  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 3:05:23pm

Oh Lawdy...I read the story about this guy this morning...
Sanity seems to be in rare supply these day...

4 Sharmuta  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 3:05:28pm

Disgusting.

5 Charles Johnson  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 3:05:37pm

re: #1 TheMatrix31

And MSNBC had everyone believing that this moron was white, then continued talking about white racism towards blacks.

They're both fucking jokes, for two completely different reasons.

The group he's part of, 4409, openly espouses white supremacism.

6 MJ  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 3:06:20pm

From the other day:
Another Far Right loon wants the "hunt" Obama:

GOP blasts Idaho candidate's 'Obama tags' comment

...On Tuesday, a GOP rally attendee shouted a question about "Obama tags" during discussion of Idaho's upcoming wolf hunt, where hunters must purchase $11.50 wolf tags.

Rammell responded, "The Obama tags? We'd buy some of those..."

[Link: www.google.com...]

7 theheat  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 3:07:30pm

What was that skit Dave Chappell did of the blind black man belonging to the Klukkers?

8 TheMatrix31  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 3:07:46pm

re: #5 Charles

Hmm...didn't know that. Thanks.

9 mfarmer1  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 3:09:01pm

We atheists who lean Libertarian in general are looking positively mainstream these days.

10 Danny  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 3:09:11pm

re: #7 theheat

What was that skit Dave Chappell did of the blind black man belonging to the Klukkers?

Blind Supremacy

11 Pianobuff  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 3:09:42pm

Here is a link to the Steven Anderson family blog.

Notable items:

The favorite links list...
* Find a midwife
* Vaccines
* Baby slings/carriers
* Recipes
* Menu planning
* Coupons
* Family Fun

Also a bit about some alleged abuse...
Please click here to read the latest update on my husband's abuse at the hands of the Arizona Department of Public Safety and Homeland Security (border patrol).

Looks like they have started a private blog as well.

12 coquimbojoe  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 3:10:00pm

I can't stand BHO. Don't like him or his policies. The color of his skin is a non existent factor in my opinion.

I do not wish him gone any other way than being voted out of office.

I believe in the right to bear arms, but the protest was unnecessary and ridiculous.

These people are idiots through and through.

13 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 3:10:11pm

And like I was saying, the GOP is mainstreaming a convergence of the Jesus Freaks with the more secular right wing whackos.

14 Kragar  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 3:10:33pm

re: #7 theheat

What was that skit Dave Chappell did of the blind black man belonging to the Klukkers?

15 Killgore Trout  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 3:10:37pm

re: #8 TheMatrix31

Google 4409 and FreedomsPhoenix. Spooky stuff.
It's weird that a black guy would get involved in these groups but this stuff happens sometimes. Jews oppose Israel, Gay preachers run homophobic churches, etc.

16 Pullus Iulius  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 3:10:39pm

Crazy guys. With issues.

17 Pianobuff  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 3:10:40pm

re: #13 LudwigVanQuixote

And like I was saying, the GOP is mainstreaming a convergence of the Jesus Freaks with the more secular right wing whackos.

Are these people being promoted by the GOP?

18 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 3:10:46pm

re: #5 Charles

The group he's part of, 4409, openly espouses white supremacism.

And it is all about fanning the fears of losing a sense of ownership of America.

19 coquimbojoe  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 3:10:53pm

re: #5 Charles

The group he's part of, 4409, openly espouses white supremacism.

That turns from just a pathetic loser to a sad pathetic loser.

20 Lee Coller  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 3:11:07pm

It's even scarier when you realize he's praying for a Joe Biden presidency.

The stupid is strong in this one.

21 theheat  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 3:11:34pm

re: #14 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Thank you!

22 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 3:11:35pm

re: #17 Pianobuff

Are these people being promoted by the GOP?

Look at Inhofe. He is just one example, but he is a very good one.

23 LGoPs  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 3:12:47pm

re: #12 coquimbojoe

I can't stand BHO. Don't like him or his policies. The color of his skin is a non existent factor in my opinion.

I do not wish him gone any other way than being voted out of office.

I believe in the right to bear arms, but the protest was unnecessary and ridiculous.

These people are idiots through and through.

Bears don't need arms IMO. They are quite capable of killing you with their paws as it is.
/

24 opnion  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 3:13:36pm

re: #12 coquimbojoe

I can't stand BHO. Don't like him or his policies. The color of his skin is a non existent factor in my opinion.

I do not wish him gone any other way than being voted out of office.

I believe in the right to bear arms, but the protest was unnecessary and ridiculous.

These people are idiots through and through.


Absolutely no justification to bring a weapon to a Town Hall, whether the speaker is the President or anyone else. The only reasons are to be provocative & intimidating.
However that does not tar all that showed up to air their grievances.

25 Neutral President  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 3:14:41pm

re: #5 Charles

The group he's part of, 4409, openly espouses white supremacism.

Is he a real life Clayton Bigsby or something?

26 pat  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 3:14:42pm

A very dangerous and stupid practice. And the left engages in the same, from gun wielding Black Panthers to baton wielding New Black Panthers. These weapons have no place at debate, protests, or the voting precinct.

27 Pianobuff  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 3:14:55pm

Here's an essay from his church site titled "What's Wrong with Male Gynecologists".

28 LGoPs  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 3:15:29pm

Up/Downding numbers are showing up in the right hand corner of each dialog box on my screen. Anyone else see that?

29 TheMatrix31  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 3:15:30pm

re: #20 Lee Coller

I'd rather have Joe Biden for 20 years before I have Barack Obama for 4.

30 Shiplord Kirel  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 3:15:40pm

Forgive the re-post but this might be more appropriate on this string than on the last one:

One thing that really alarms me about this: I can't quantify it, of course, but I have the impression that ideas like Gunderson's [conspiraloon cited by Kilgore] are much more widely accepted than the really well-informed might typically realize. It seems laughable to us, but that is not true for anyone, not by a long shot.
I am around construction workers, oil-field types, and mechanics quite a bit. In these groups, belief in unconstitutional government plans and conspiracies is practically universal. These guys are from stupid, as their willingness to disregard common memes demonstrates, but they have never had the intellectual tools to properly evaluate the blizzard of information and disinformation that comes their way every day in the modern world. The conspiracy theorists are saying what they want to hear and they don't see the red flag that raises.
In a different segment of society, a couple of welfare workers have told me that many of their colleagues and almost all of their clients share a different (but similarly crazy) set of conspiracy beliefs. Ex-convicts, and the underclass over which they have so much influence, are almost unanimous in believing that the CIA and Jewish bankers control the drug trade and that law enforcement is a sham.

There is a lot of this out there. For every nut who is willing to join a formal group, there may be dozens of sympathizers and fellow-travelers who aren't willing to get involved publicly for one reason or another but who nevertheless share the ideology and support the goals.

31 Pianobuff  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 3:15:51pm

re: #22 LudwigVanQuixote

Look at Inhofe. He is just one example, but he is a very good one.

That wasn't my question. Is this group being promoted by the GOP? I got the impression that they were from your original comment.

32 MandyManners  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 3:16:32pm

re: #16 Pullus Iulius

Crazy guys. With issues.

They don't have "issues". They have a subscription.

33 Kragar  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 3:16:34pm

re: #27 Pianobuff

Here's an essay from his church site titled "What's Wrong with Male Gynecologists".

Its hard to be their wife.

"Honey, I'm sorry, but if I see another one of those today..."

34 Neutral President  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 3:16:44pm

re: #27 Pianobuff

Here's an essay from his church site titled "What's Wrong with Male Gynecologists".

I guess Luap Nor shouldn't sit well with these kooks, or is this one of those "Cognitive Dissonance is a bitch" situations.

35 pat  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 3:16:56pm

re: #31 Pianobuff

I have seen nothing to suggest these people are Republicans.

36 Racer X  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 3:17:03pm

The stupid, it stings.

37 sattv4u2  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 3:18:43pm

sorry to go OT before 100 posts, but

OT ,, I have no link for this yet, but at work I'm taking a couple of news feeds in from Jeruselem that are stating that Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas and Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu to meet at the end of September at the United Nations.

FOX just put up a link
[Link: [Link: www.foxnews.com...]...]

38 [deleted]  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 3:19:07pm
39 Sharmuta  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 3:19:07pm

Keep in mind threats to the President are up 400%. When you have rhetoric like this in an already heated situation, someone is bound to get hurt. Disgusting anyone would wish this upon this republic- shameful.

God keep our President and his Security Agents safe.

40 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 3:19:30pm

re: #26 pat

A very dangerous and stupid practice. And the left engages in the same, from gun wielding Black Panthers to baton wielding New Black Panthers. These weapons have no place at debate, protests, or the voting precinct.

Interesting you mention that. When the gun wielding black panthers were toting guns in the sixties, all sorts of white Americans had no problem restricting their second amendment rights. Those same types now think it is great to tote guns and cite the second amendment when it comes to Obama.

All the debate in the world will not take away that the root of all of this is that a certain large percentage of white America is afraid - no scared green that their perception of America defined as a white Christian place is being challenged.

Of course it is.

We really are on the whole much more racially tolerant. We really are on the whole much more secular than the religious right would like. These are not bad things.

What is a bad thing is that there is a lot of fear about this and that the GOP is fanning that fear without a thought to consequence.

41 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 3:20:41pm

re: #5 Charles

The group he's part of, 4409, openly espouses white supremacism.

Is this a freakin' Dave Chappell skit?

42 esch  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 3:21:42pm

re: #23 LGoPs

Bears don't need arms IMO. They are quite capable of killing you with their paws as it is.
/

And that would give any reasonable person paws.

/runs

43 LGoPs  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 3:21:50pm

re: #40 LudwigVanQuixote

Interesting you mention that. When the gun wielding black panthers were toting guns in the sixties, all sorts of white Americans had no problem restricting their second amendment rights. Those same types now think it is great to tote guns and cite the second amendment when it comes to Obama.

I don't remember the 2nd Amendment being repealed for blacks back in the '60's. What country are you referring to?

44 MandyManners  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 3:22:01pm

re: #5 Charles

The group he's part of, 4409, openly espouses white supremacism.

Could someone explain why an African-American man would belong to this group?

45 Pianobuff  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 3:22:07pm

re: #40 LudwigVanQuixote

All the debate in the world will not take away that the root of all of this is that a certain large percentage of white America is afraid - no scared green that their perception of America defined as a white Christian place is being challenged.

Humor me. What is a large percentage by your best guess.

46 BARACK THE VOTE  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 3:22:13pm

re: #35 pat

I have seen nothing to suggest these people are Republicans.

Oh please. The radical wingnut fringe right has been mainstreaming hateful exterminationst rhetoric for years. Let's all acknowledge that these people don't represent the real right or real republicans, but that doesn't mean we have to put blinders on about where they're coming from, or try to say "the left did it too' or 'the left did worse!'

This kind of crap is being mainstreamed by rightwing pundits and some elected members of the GOP are perfectly willing to pander to the fringe base, whether it's sponsering bills about nirth certificates or claiming there's nothing wrong with bringing weapons to a townhall.

47 Diego  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 3:22:33pm

re: #15 Killgore Trout

It's weird that a black guy would get involved in these groups but this stuff happens sometimes

Maybe he's having self-identification issues. Or perhaps he's touched.

48 Digital Display  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 3:22:53pm

re: #26 pat

A very dangerous and stupid practice. And the left engages in the same, from gun wielding Black Panthers to baton wielding New Black Panthers. These weapons have no place at debate, protests, or the voting precinct.

On the flip side...I know one Black Panther...Top Cat...A very smart kind man.
The Black Panthers may be wayward and honestly I only know one...
But he is a good man and always was kind to the Hoopster as a Kid.

49 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 3:24:03pm

re: #46 iceweasel

Oh please. The radical wingnut fringe right has been mainstreaming hateful exterminationst rhetoric for years. Let's all acknowledge that these people don't represent the real right or real republicans, but that doesn't mean we have to put blinders on about where they're coming from, or try to say "the left did it too' or 'the left did worse!'

This kind of crap is being mainstreamed by rightwing pundits and some elected members of the GOP are perfectly willing to pander to the fringe base, whether it's sponsering bills about nirth certificates or claiming there's nothing wrong with bringing weapons to a townhall.

Correct.

50 Sharmuta  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 3:24:04pm

re: #44 MandyManners

Could someone explain why an African-American man would belong to this group?

Why do some Jews support vlaams belang?

51 Pianobuff  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 3:24:09pm

re: #15 Killgore Trout

Google 4409 and FreedomsPhoenix. Spooky stuff.
It's weird that a black guy would get involved in these groups but this stuff happens sometimes. Jews oppose Israel, Gay preachers run homophobic churches, etc.

Are you familiar with Rev. Manning?

52 JCM  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 3:24:12pm

I sure wish some "preachers" would read the Whole Book.

1 Timothy 2:1, 2
1 I urge, then, first of all, that requests, prayers, intercession and thanksgiving be made for everyone— 2 for kings and all those in authority, that we may live peaceful and quiet lives in all godliness and holiness.

53 MJ  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 3:24:13pm

re: #44 MandyManners

Could someone explain why an African-American man would belong to this group?

Maybe the same reason why some Jews belong to Neturei Karta and go to Holocaust denial conferences in Iran.

54 The Shadow Do  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 3:24:43pm

re: #39 Sharmuta

Keep in mind threats to the President are up 400%. When you have rhetoric like this in an already heated situation, someone is bound to get hurt. Disgusting anyone would wish this upon this republic- shameful.

God keep our President and his Security Agents safe.

Amen to protect the President. 400%? Sounds like someone fanning the flame (and selling a book). I ain't buyin' it without the facts. Presidents are targets, all of them. That is just the way it is.l

55 Killgore Trout  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 3:24:51pm

re: #51 Pianobuff

Are you familiar with Rev. Manning?

Yeah, he's another one. People do strange stuff sometimes.

56 Shug  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 3:25:08pm

I love people who give God Advice

/

57 Killgore Trout  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 3:25:56pm

re: #54 The Shadow Do

I ain't buyin' it without the facts.


It's been confirmed by the Secret Service. It's a fact, deny it all you want.

58 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 3:26:32pm

re: #52 JCM

I sure wish some "preachers" would read the Whole Book.

1 Timothy 2:1, 2
1 I urge, then, first of all, that requests, prayers, intercession and thanksgiving be made for everyone— 2 for kings and all those in authority, that we may live peaceful and quiet lives in all godliness and holiness.

No kidding. Cut and paste is not a new concept in religious knight-jump dogma, just a new name. I wish some commenters on blogs knew scripture and what it says. I wish I looked like the Jonas Brothers.

59 Diego  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 3:27:11pm

 
Lo Ice, how's it goin'?

 

60 keithgabryelski  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 3:27:21pm

re: #7 theheat

What was that skit Dave Chappell did of the blind black man belonging to the Klukkers?

[Link: cliptank.com...]

61 Digital Display  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 3:27:35pm

re: #56 Shug

I love people who give God Advice

/

They stick God in their own little box and when they let him out they put words in his mouth and kill in his name...
Sick people

62 The Shadow Do  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 3:27:45pm

re: #48 HoosierHoops

On the flip side...I know one Black Panther...Top Cat...A very smart kind man.
The Black Panthers may be wayward and honestly I only know one...
But he is a good man and always was kind to the Hoopster as a Kid.

These are not the Black Panthers I knew! (serious) Maybe he is just a goalong wannabe.

63 calcajun  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 3:27:51pm

re: #44 MandyManners

For the same reason that Marcus Garvey (supposedly, IIRC) got on so well with some Klan leaders--they saw eye-to-eye on so many issues. Both agreed on the principles of segregation and both liked the "back to Africa" concept. (this from a PBS documentary on Garvey)

64 Ayeless in Ghazi  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 3:28:21pm

Really scary stuff. I sense this guy is very comfortable with the jihadists justifications for murder.'We true believers are all instruments of God - if he should choose to use one of us in accomplishing his will, so it shall be. Inshallah!'

Of course in 'Jesus Camp' kids were taught quite explicitly that they should emulate the zeal of muslim extremists who are ready to lay down their lives in 'defence' of their religion.

'Jesus Camp' - part 1 (the other 8 parts are available via the sidebar):

65 calcajun  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 3:28:24pm

re: #56 Shug

I love people who give God Advice

/

Want to make God laugh? Tell him your plans.

66 pat  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 3:28:29pm

re: #46 iceweasel

Nonsense. Name the pundit who suggested that people carry guns to a forum on health care.

67 Neutral President  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 3:28:36pm

re: #56 Shug

I love people who give God Advice

/

I have a Powerpoint Presentation for God. "Efficient Organization of the Universe: Thinking Outside the Box in Universal Planning"

He wont take my calls, and I'm not even sure he exists at all and that switchboard operator is just fucking with me.

/

68 opnion  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 3:28:43pm

re: #48 HoosierHoops

On the flip side...I know one Black Panther...Top Cat...A very smart kind man.
The Black Panthers may be wayward and honestly I only know one...
But he is a good man and always was kind to the Hoopster as a Kid.

Hoops you probably grew up close enough to Oakland to know this guy?
As I recall the Panthers in Chicago in their salad days were nothing but a group of dangerous criminals. There was nothing warm & fuzzy going on.

69 Pianobuff  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 3:28:47pm

re: #52 JCM

I sure wish some "preachers" would read the Whole Book.

1 Timothy 2:1, 2
1 I urge, then, first of all, that requests, prayers, intercession and thanksgiving be made for everyone— 2 for kings and all those in authority, that we may live peaceful and quiet lives in all godliness and holiness.

Unfortunately, this guy probably fancies himself as some kind of modern-day Dietrich Bonhoeffer...

70 reine.de.tout  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 3:28:50pm

re: #54 The Shadow Do

Amen to protect the President. 400%? Sounds like someone fanning the flame (and selling a book). I ain't buyin' it without the facts. Presidents are targets, all of them. That is just the way it is.l

Barack Obama faces 30 death threats a day, stretching US Secret Service

71 Sharmuta  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 3:29:12pm

re: #61 HoosierHoops

They stick God in their own little box and when they let him out they put words in his mouth and kill in his name...
Sick people

And to top it off- they get pissed when others tell them God might not think they're so cute doing that.

72 Buster  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 3:29:46pm

re: #23 LGoPs

Bears don't need arms IMO. They are quite capable of killing you with their paws as it is.
/

So you don't believe in the right to arm bears?

73 SpaceJesus  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 3:29:57pm

yes anderson, we heard your prayers up here in space heaven.

instead of actually answering your prayers, we've decided that you should pretty much just go fuck yourself.

74 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 3:30:09pm

re: #46 iceweasel

Oh please. The radical wingnut fringe right has been mainstreaming hateful exterminationst rhetoric for years. Let's all acknowledge that these people don't represent the real right or real republicans, but that doesn't mean we have to put blinders on about where they're coming from, or try to say "the left did it too' or 'the left did worse!'

This kind of crap is being mainstreamed by rightwing pundits and some elected members of the GOP are perfectly willing to pander to the fringe base, whether it's sponsering bills about nirth certificates or claiming there's nothing wrong with bringing weapons to a townhall.

And that is a big difference that I have been seeing lately. It's the mainstreaming of this craziness by major players in the conservative movement.

Many of these nuts and their mindset has been around longer than some of us have been alive, but I don't ever remember it getting the pay it gets right now.

Maybe the internet itself makes it so much easier to reach out from ones basement and touch so many more people?

75 calcajun  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 3:30:12pm

re: #61 HoosierHoops

They stick God in their own little box and when they let him out they put words in his mouth and kill in his name...
Sick people

Three books to read:

"Where God Went Wrong"
"More of God's Greatest Mistakes"
and
"Who is this 'God' Person Anyway?"

(Douglas Adams)

76 calcajun  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 3:31:07pm

re: #72 Buster

So you don't believe in the right to arm bears?

Absolutely not. Some people should never do it-- cellulite is such a turn-off.

77 wrenchwench  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 3:31:09pm

Chris Broughten:

"I actually moved to the area because this church was preaching the message I believe in," said Broughton.

Teh krazee--he's Broughten it!

78 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 3:31:57pm

re: #71 Sharmuta

And to top it off- they get pissed when others tell them God might not think they're so cute doing that.

Well that whole Thou Shalt not Murder commandment was nuance see?...

///

79 Digital Display  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 3:32:05pm

re: #62 The Shadow Do

These are not the Black Panthers I knew! (serious) Maybe he is just a goalong wannabe.

cough...Google him...Honestly he is the only Black Panther I know...He spoke at sports youth camps and was very charming...I just thought it was fair to speak up about the one cool Black Panther I know...

80 Ayeless in Ghazi  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 3:32:06pm

re: #50 Sharmuta

Why do some Jews support vlaams belang?

Some people are just...odd.

81 BARACK THE VOTE  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 3:32:07pm

re: #66 pat

Nonsense. Name the pundit who suggested that people carry guns to a forum on health care.

I can do even better than that.

Here's Rep. Gringey encouraging it:

FAIL.

82 MandyManners  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 3:32:38pm

re: #53 MJ

Maybe the same reason why some Jews belong to Neturei Karta and go to Holocaust denial conferences in Iran.

But, how do you explain it? Extreme self-hatred?

83 Shiplord Kirel  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 3:32:47pm

Religion vs. Reality in Missouri

Via Orac comes this tale of religious kneejerking that shows just how big a problem it is in America.

I urge you to read the whole thing, but the basic story is a band made t-shirts with the theme "Brass Evolutions" using the famous cartoon sequence of a monkey changing into a man. It’s a cute idea, and no big deal, right?

Right?

Not so right. Some parents complained about the shirts because they depicted — gasp!– evolution (never mind that it’s a cartoony version that’s really not even terribly accurate). Assistant Superintendent Brad Pollitt decided to make the students turn in their shirts so as to not offend any parents’ sensibilities.

The sheer dumbosity of this already has my head reeling. You might think at first that this isn’t a huge deal: it’s just another example of narrow-minded thinking we’ve seen so much of from creationists.

But in fact it’s a lot worse than that.

Much, much more at link.

84 Eowyn2  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 3:33:22pm

re: #24 opnion

Absolutely no justification to bring a weapon to a Town Hall, whether the speaker is the President or anyone else. The only reasons are to be provocative & intimidating.
However that does not tar all that showed up to air their grievances.

My ex father-in-law still likes to walk around town with his 'side arm.' He is an ultra dyed in the wool teachers union liberal. If he went to a town hall, he would probably carry his 357 no matter if it were a Rep or Dem speaking. Needless to say, loons come in all shapes and sizes.

85 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 3:33:36pm

re: #43 LGoPs

I don't remember the 2nd Amendment being repealed for blacks back in the '60's. What country are you referring to?

All sorts of laws restricting the public carrying of long arms were enacted precisely because of the black panthers. While the laws applied to everyone, they were made because of that. The country we are referring to is the USA. Look at the history.

86 freetoken  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 3:33:41pm

I wonder if "pastor" Anderson would find the following method to meet his approval?

Assassin Hid Explosives in Body

The man who tried to assassinate Saudi Arabia’s anti-terror chief last Thursday managed to get past security in a Jeddah palace by hiding explosives in his rectum.

[...]

When the prince was informed of his arrival, he walked into a six-by-seven-meter long room next to his office in the palace to greet the man he thought would be a remorseful terrorist.

The terrorist came to the entrance of the room and the prince moved towards the door to usher him in. He greeted him and invited him to sit down on one of the sofas, while the prince himself sat on another sofa no more than two meters away from where the bomber was located.

The prince got a call on his cell phone and began talking, and at that moment the bomber detonated the explosives. His body was torn apart and, according to the report, only divine intervention saved the prince from sustaining more severe wounds.

[...]

87 LGoPs  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 3:33:43pm

re: #72 Buster

So you don't believe in the right to arm bears?

I've heard politicians panda ring about this and it worries me.

88 MandyManners  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 3:33:49pm

re: #63 calcajun

For the same reason that Marcus Garvey (supposedly, IIRC) got on so well with some Klan leaders--they saw eye-to-eye on so many issues. Both agreed on the principles of segregation and both liked the "back to Africa" concept. (this from a PBS documentary on Garvey)

They could agree on separation but, did he belong to the group?

89 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 3:33:55pm

re: #72 Buster

So you don't believe in the right to arm bears?

NO! (and I should know)

90 Killgore Trout  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 3:34:11pm

re: #81 iceweasel

Big fail. Encouraging people who want to kill the President to carry weapons to his speeches is going to have very serious political consequences. The GOP needs to clean house. Get all these nuts and extremists out for good.

91 opnion  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 3:34:49pm

re: #84 Eowyn2

My ex father-in-law still likes to walk around town with his 'side arm.' He is an ultra dyed in the wool teachers union liberal. If he went to a town hall, he would probably carry his 357 no matter if it were a Rep or Dem speaking. Needless to say, loons come in all shapes and sizes.

Really a bad idea to go to one of these things armed.

92 calcajun  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 3:34:56pm

re: #88 MandyManners

They could agree on separation but, did he belong to the group?

Nope. He never got a sponsor to vouch for him. Not even an honorary membership, either./

93 Buster  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 3:35:07pm

re: #67 ArchangelMichael

I have a Powerpoint Presentation for God. "Efficient Organization of the Universe: Thinking Outside the Box in Universal Planning"

He wont take my calls, and I'm not even sure he exists at all and that switchboard operator is just fucking with me.

/

Switchboard operator is just doing her/his job. God doesn't do meetings.

94 Sharmuta  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 3:35:09pm

re: #82 MandyManners

But, how do you explain it? Extreme self-hatred?

Possibly. It's likely as varied as the people involved in various cognitive disconnects. Like women who hate women- it could be various inner conflicts working themselves out.

95 Killgore Trout  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 3:35:19pm

re: #86 freetoken

What a mess.

96 Diego  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 3:35:21pm

re: #86 freetoken

I wonder if "pastor" Anderson would find the following method to meet his approval?

Assassin Hid Explosives in Body

Maybe we can talk hiim into shoving some C4 up his ass? Mind you, he'd have to remove his head first..

97 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 3:35:23pm

re: #90 Killgore Trout

Big fail. Encouraging people who want to kill the President to carry weapons to his speeches is going to have very serious political consequences. The GOP needs to clean house. Get all these nuts and extremists out for good.

UNfortunately their strategy is to embrace and fuel these extremists.

98 MandyManners  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 3:36:01pm

re: #92 calcajun

Nope. He never got a sponsor to vouch for him. Not even an honorary membership, either./

In bed.

99 pat  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 3:36:04pm

re: #81 iceweasel

And he is a pundit in what sense?

100 BARACK THE VOTE  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 3:36:19pm

re: #54 The Shadow Do

Amen to protect the President. 400%? Sounds like someone fanning the flame (and selling a book). I ain't buyin' it without the facts. Presidents are targets, all of them. That is just the way it is.l

Barack Obama received Secret Service protection earlier than any other candidate in history, May of 2007, because the level of threats against him were so high.

The SPLC has documented that membership in white supremacists movements has exploded since last summer, accelerating since the election.

I don't find a 400 fold increase in his threats to be hard to believe. Look at this video!

101 MandyManners  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 3:36:49pm

re: #94 Sharmuta

Possibly. It's likely as varied as the people involved in various cognitive disconnects. Like women who hate women- it could be various inner conflicts working themselves out.

But, those women don't belong to groups that advocate their destruction.

102 LGoPs  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 3:37:11pm

re: #85 LudwigVanQuixote

All sorts of laws restricting the public carrying of long arms were enacted precisely because of the black panthers. While the laws applied to everyone, they were made because of that. The country we are referring to is the USA. Look at the history.

The point being the law applied to everyone. Your earlier post insinuated - no - directly stated that white Americans had no problem restricting their rights. Your assertion was false.

103 calcajun  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 3:37:11pm

re: #89 Walter L. Newton

NO! (and I should know)

Two bears looking at a rifle:

"Thunderstick? Thuderstick!? That, my friend, is a Winchester 30.06"

Gary Larson.

104 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 3:37:25pm

re: #100 iceweasel

Barack Obama received Secret Service protection earlier than any other candidate in history, May of 2007, because the level of threats against him were so high.

The SPLC has documented that membership in white supremacists movements has exploded since last summer, accelerating since the election.

I don't find a 400 fold increase in his threats to be hard to believe. Look at this video!

And who was the author(s) of that/those article(s) you are referencing by the SPLC?

105 Killgore Trout  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 3:37:26pm

re: #97 LudwigVanQuixote

UNfortunately their strategy is to embrace and fuel these extremists.

True. When/if the shit hits the fan the Republican party is going to be completely ruined. I really don't see any possibility they will be able to avoid responsibility.

106 Ayeless in Ghazi  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 3:37:27pm

re: #90 Killgore Trout

Big fail. Encouraging people who want to kill the President to carry weapons to his speeches is going to have very serious political consequences. The GOP needs to clean house. Get all these nuts and extremists out for good.

It should be easy for republicans to see that there is nothing to be gained and a great deal to lose by failing to deal with this.

Should be.

107 freetoken  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 3:37:53pm

Hey KT, your name has been used in vain on a recent post on Sarah Palin's wall:

Columbus Bagwell In responce to the comment by Kilgore Trout. I don't often here about the Bilderberg Group. Have many other people heard of them, and do the politicans ever discuss them.
18 minutes ago

108 opnion  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 3:38:37pm

re: #90 Killgore Trout

Big fail. Encouraging people who want to kill the President to carry weapons to his speeches is going to have very serious political consequences. The GOP needs to clean house. Get all these nuts and extremists out for good.

Righto, & the Dems need to purge ACORN, & the SEIU!

109 MJ  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 3:38:44pm

re: #82 MandyManners

But, how do you explain it? Extreme self-hatred?

With those cultists, I'd give that reason a resounding yes, even though they would give a theological explanation.

Michael Jackson made himself white.

110 Diego  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 3:38:46pm

re: #107 freetoken

LOL @ '..I don't often here about the..'

111 Sharmuta  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 3:38:57pm

re: #101 MandyManners

But, those women don't belong to groups that advocate their destruction.

Maybe- women perpetuate the patriarchy. But we're digressing. The point is it could be self-hate on the part of this guy. Maybe he hates his parents (one of them or both) and this is his way of acting out. It could be other psychological issues- who knows?

112 The Shadow Do  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 3:38:59pm

re: #57 Killgore Trout

It's been confirmed by the Secret Service. It's a fact, deny it all you want.

Oh hell no, I am not in denial Killgore. In fact I would be surprised if there was not an uptick in threats. What is troubling is that I keep seeing the 400% figure without substantiation. I think there is an organized effort to generate sympathy for Obama going to the gas station meme. The SS will take care of him, of that I am sure knowing a couple of those guys.

If it is 400% then that is what it is. Sad if true. Probably is, but the political point is off the mark in that the suggestion is that the nasty Right wants him dead. Popular left viewpoint but inaccurate, in my opinion of course.

113 Killgore Trout  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 3:39:25pm

re: #107 freetoken

Heh. There's some guy blogging out there as Kilgore Trout too. I kinda feel bad for him that his google results are mixed with mine.

114 BARACK THE VOTE  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 3:39:28pm

re: #74 Walter L. Newton

And that is a big difference that I have been seeing lately. It's the mainstreaming of this craziness by major players in the conservative movement.

Many of these nuts and their mindset has been around longer than some of us have been alive, but I don't ever remember it getting the pay it gets right now.

Maybe the internet itself makes it so much easier to reach out from ones basement and touch so many more people?

Hey Walter-- Yeah, I totally agree with you. I think some of it is the internet, and some of it is that the rhetoric has been creeping into the mainstream on the right for years. You have people like Coulter who has for years been making 'jokes' about killing liberals. You have elected representatives in the GOP during the Bush admin (and pundits, columnists, etc) suggesting that dems, anti-war protestors, and the left were traitors, committing treason, etc. Now we're seeing the crazy in full flower and it scares the shit out of me.

115 calcajun  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 3:40:00pm

re: #76 calcajun

Absolutely not. Some people should never do it-- cellulite is such a turn-off.

Oh-- arm bears-- not bare arms. Silly me./

116 Killgore Trout  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 3:40:12pm

re: #112 The Shadow Do


What is troubling is that I keep seeing the 400% figure without substantiation.


Google it yourself and read a little. It's been confirmed.

117 Diego  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 3:40:36pm

re: #82 MandyManners

But, how do you explain it? Extreme self-hatred?

Maybe he figures it's better to be the shooter than the shootee? ;)

118 The Shadow Do  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 3:40:43pm

re: #70 reine.de.tout

Barack Obama faces 30 death threats a day, stretching US Secret Service

The rest of the headline says "according to a new book"

119 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 3:40:50pm

re: #105 Killgore Trout

True. When/if the shit hits the fan the Republican party is going to be completely ruined. I really don't see any possibility they will be able to avoid responsibility.

Guns kill people like a spoon made Rosie McDonald FAT. If something was to ever happen, we still have a legal system here where the responsible people are held responsible.

It sounds like if you had your way, you would want the whole conservative movement outlawed because of a body of nuts in the works?

Hyperbole

120 calcajun  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 3:41:38pm

re: #87 LGoPs

I've heard politicians panda ring about this and it worries me.

It is a polarizing issue, with potentially grizzly consequences.

121 Digital Display  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 3:41:54pm

re: #75 calcajun

Three books to read:

"Where God Went Wrong"
"More of God's Greatest Mistakes"
and
"Who is this 'God' Person Anyway?"

(Douglas Adams)

You may not believe this...But all I read is Sports Books...oh and Dungy's book (as much as i admire him) Sucks!
I know this
In all the History of Mankind more people have died From wars about Relgion than any other reason. It's human nature and it really sucks big time..
And no I don't have a link...And really don't need one...
/How the heck are you today? Doing well?

122 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 3:42:10pm

re: #114 iceweasel

Hey Walter-- Yeah, I totally agree with you. I think some of it is the internet, and some of it is that the rhetoric has been creeping into the mainstream on the right for years. You have people like Coulter who has for years been making 'jokes' about killing liberals. You have elected representatives in the GOP during the Bush admin (and pundits, columnists, etc) suggesting that dems, anti-war protestors, and the left were traitors, committing treason, etc. Now we're seeing the crazy in full flower and it scares the shit out of me.

Well, it doesn't "scare" anything out of me, but I think it needs to be stopped. "Scare" is one of those, well, scare words progressives use so well as hyperbole.

Don't wonk with me.

123 The Shadow Do  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 3:42:23pm

re: #79 HoosierHoops

cough...Google him...Honestly he is the only Black Panther I know...He spoke at sports youth camps and was very charming...I just thought it was fair to speak up about the one cool Black Panther I know...

I met a couple. They wanted to kill my white ass. Not very charming. But that was then...

124 BARACK THE VOTE  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 3:42:38pm

re: #111 Sharmuta

Maybe- women perpetuate the patriarchy. But we're digressing. The point is it could be self-hate on the part of this guy. Maybe he hates his parents (one of them or both) and this is his way of acting out. It could be other psychological issues- who knows?

Oppressed groups often collaborate in their own oppression by identifying with the oppressor. They ally themselves with power, basically. It's about self-loathing on one level and about the need to become like the oppressor on the other.

125 Sharmuta  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 3:42:40pm

Maybe he has some kind of *ahem* compensation issue.

126 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 3:42:52pm

re: #119 Walter L. Newton

Guns kill people like a spoon made Rosie McDonald FAT. If something was to ever happen, we still have a legal system here where the responsible people are held responsible.

It sounds like if you had your way, you would want the whole conservative movement outlawed because of a body of nuts in the works?

Hyperbole

No guns don't kill people at all... people kill people... and thinking that every kook has the right to tote guns wherever he wants allows them to use those guns to kill people.

I am not against owning weapons. I do myself. However, useless and pointless rhetoric like this only make the right wing look stupid.

127 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 3:42:54pm

re: #108 opnion

Righto, & the Dems need to purge ACORN, & the SEIU!

No, no, no, no, no... they are grass roots activists, not organized right wing militia types.

128 calcajun  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 3:42:59pm

re: #121 HoosierHoops

Working-- like I've been all weekend.

Sigh.

129 aboo-Hoo-Hoo  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 3:43:39pm

'To add your sound-offs, log-on to ABC15.com and click on the ‘comments link’ at the bottom of the story.’

We can;
We can;
…incite you.

This shit has gone too far.

Charles?

130 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 3:43:40pm

re: #126 LudwigVanQuixote

No guns don't kill people at all... people kill people... and thinking that every kook has the right to tote guns wherever he wants allows them to use those guns to kill people.

I am not against owning weapons. I do myself. However, useless and pointless rhetoric like this only make the right wing look stupid.

Yawn.

131 opnion  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 3:44:12pm

re: #127 Walter L. Newton

No, no, no, no, no... they are grass roots activists, not organized right wing militia types.

Walter thank you, you pulled me back. Silly me!

132 TheMatrix31  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 3:44:24pm
133 MandyManners  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 3:45:02pm

Oven buzzer's going off. Later, Lizards!

134 SixDegrees  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 3:45:07pm

re: #99 pat

And he is a pundit in what sense?

In the sense of the definition: someone who gives authoritative advice.

Although frankly, I took this as a response to your #35:

I have seen nothing to suggest these people are Republicans.

unless you don't consider Representative Gringey (R- GA) to be a Republican.

Works either way, though.

135 calcajun  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 3:45:10pm

re: #121 HoosierHoops

BTW-- chances are he did not write it-- the publisher hired a ghost writer. Tony will do well in the booth this year.

136 VioletTiger  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 3:45:23pm

re: #44 MandyManners

Could someone explain why an African-American man would belong to this group?

I'm scratching my head over that as well.

What I do know for sure is that this pastor is disgrace.

137 Ojoe  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 3:45:23pm

No true Scotsman prays for another's demise like that.

How I dislike labels ...

Anderson should STFU

138 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 3:45:34pm

re: #108 opnion

Righto, & the Dems need to purge ACORN, & the SEIU!

re: #127 Walter L. Newton

No, no, no, no, no... they are grass roots activists, not organized right wing militia types.

Once again, the existence of a broken foot does not mitigate the heart attack of another. The Dems are no the point to this discussion. They are a useful way for folks like you to avoid the discussion, but they are not the point.

139 quickjustice  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 3:45:35pm

Even if you support gun rights, what's wrong with this: "We're just here for a friendly little chat" (waving around rifle).

140 Lincolntf  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 3:46:17pm

Fox News is talking about the prospective Israeli/Pali peace talks.
Peres just spoke. Said Bibi is/will be forced to acknowledge that he has no choice but to sue for peace. Odd phrasing, with words like "no escape". I'll wait for a transcript/full story to try to link.

141 Eowyn2  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 3:46:50pm

re: #39 Sharmuta

Keep in mind threats to the President are up 400%. When you have rhetoric like this in an already heated situation, someone is bound to get hurt. Disgusting anyone would wish this upon this republic- shameful.

God keep our President and his Security Agents safe.

Shar: From the article from the source "Since Mr Obama took office, the rate of threats against the president has increased 400 per cent from the 3,000 a year or so under President George W. Bush, according to Ronald Kessler, author of In the President's Secret Service"

I looked for a statement from the Secret Service themselves, and couldn't find one. If you find one from the Secret Service, let me know. I have a hard time believing that Obama is getting 1,200,000 death threats a year (average 3300 per day) and that the secret service is looking into each and every one of them as per the article.

I really have to see the proof. Also, please remember that those threats he is talking about come from all over the world, not just the US.

142 Ojoe  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 3:46:57pm

re: #44 MandyManners

Could someone explain why an African-American man would belong to this group?

Because we're beyond race now.

/

143 Athos  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 3:47:02pm

re: #126 LudwigVanQuixote

Yep, just as stupid as the hard core leftie I photographed at the Hollywood March 2005 anti-war march who believed that the US uses nerve gas on its own cities...

Stupid exists on both sides of the spectrum - only ideologues see it from just one side to further an agenda.

144 The Shadow Do  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 3:47:08pm

re: #124 iceweasel

Oppressed groups often collaborate in their own oppression by identifying with the oppressor. They ally themselves with power, basically. It's about self-loathing on one level and about the need to become like the oppressor on the other.

Dr Phil, is that you?

145 BARACK THE VOTE  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 3:47:09pm

re: #104 Walter L. Newton

And who was the author(s) of that/those article(s) you are referencing by the SPLC?

[Link: www.splcenter.org...]

You'll notice they've also just released a special report on the return of the militias. More activity at any time since the mid-90's.

146 Summer Seale  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 3:47:22pm

I'm betting that Obama isn't inviting this guy for a beer.

147 Flyers1974  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 3:47:29pm

re: #119 Walter L. Newton

Nice one with the spoon/Rosie comment.

148 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 3:47:37pm

re: #138 LudwigVanQuixote

Once again, the existence of a broken foot does not mitigate the heart attack of another. The Dems are no the point to this discussion. They are a useful way for folks like you to avoid the discussion, but they are not the point.

re: #658 LudwigVanQuixote

Pope Urban II made it pretty clear that he could not stand the idea of infidels holding the holy land.

Here is his speech if you are interested.

[Link: www.fordham.edu...]

There was also the issue of second sons wanting kingdoms of their own...

This is brilliant Ludwig. You sound no better than the fools who are always telling us how the JOOS are trying to take over the world.

You are in the same league with them, you certainly are.

149 opnion  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 3:48:04pm

re: #138 LudwigVanQuixote

Once again, the existence of a broken foot does not mitigate the heart attack of another. The Dems are no the point to this discussion. They are a useful way for folks like you to avoid the discussion, but they are not the point.

Thank you for thr correction, we must only make assertions against the Republicans. Have I got that?
How about , some people act nutty & people here say that the Republicans embrace them with no real foundation?

150 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 3:48:13pm

re: #147 Flyers1974

Nice one with the spoon/Rosie comment.

It's a bumper sticker I saw today while I was out. Makes a lot of sense.

151 Danny  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 3:48:15pm

re: #139 quickjustice

Even if you support gun rights, what's wrong with this: "We're just here for a friendly little chat" (waving around rifle).

Going duck hunting, nothing.

152 Eowyn2  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 3:48:56pm

re: #85 LudwigVanQuixote

All sorts of laws restricting the public carrying of long arms were enacted precisely because of the black panthers. While the laws applied to everyone, they were made because of that. The country we are referring to is the USA. Look at the history.

Cite example.

153 Digital Display  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 3:50:00pm

re: #135 calcajun

BTW-- chances are he did not write it-- the publisher hired a ghost writer. Tony will do well in the booth this year.

One of the worst sports books I've ever read...I read the hard bound in 2 hours..If I skipped all the passages of him on his Knees praying to God for direction and Victory I could have finished in 10 minutes flat...
Sorry to all the Lizards but God and Sports nor Politics mix...Oil and water to me...

154 Killgore Trout  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 3:50:07pm

Behold the Paulified Republican party...
At Michelle Bachmann Town Hall: Won't Give Up Social Security Because of Socialism

Poorly informed radical loons. Absolutely disgraceful.

155 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 3:50:22pm

re: #130 Walter L. Newton

Yawn.

Walter, you are an uneducated fool.

You are an historical revisionist. Note, Mussolini and Urban II and your insane and foolish attempts to rewrite history.

Mussolini was not a leftist. Urban really did call for the Crusades as an act of aggression. This is history.

Walter you are a liar about your science expertise.

Note how you claimed to have all sorts of science expertise from your careers doing something at a lab, but you brought a list of scientific links that did not say what you though they meant - and then tried to claim that you are not a scientist and that you don't care?

And Walter you are a cur. By comparing me, a Jew to the conspiracy kooks who claim that the Joos rule the world.

Walter, you have picked a fight with me each thread we have been on for the last several weeks and become progressively more childish and insulting and crazy with each.

In short Walter, stuff it.

156 Shug  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 3:50:44pm

400% increase to 3300 threats a year is 1.2 million?

or 13,200?

157 Digital Display  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 3:50:48pm

re: #145 iceweasel

[Link: www.splcenter.org...]

You'll notice they've also just released a special report on the return of the militias. More activity at any time since the mid-90's.

Good evening! Hope today finds you well and healthy

158 Ayeless in Ghazi  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 3:50:55pm

re: #126 LudwigVanQuixote

No guns don't kill people at all... people kill people... and thinking that every kook has the right to tote guns wherever he wants allows them to use those guns to kill people.

I am not against owning weapons. I do myself. However, useless and pointless rhetoric like this only make the right wing look stupid.

"Guns don't kill people - bullets do that. Guns just get the bullets moving really really fast"

- 'Charlton Heston' in Trey Parker and Matt Stone's excellent but much misunderstood spoof sitcom 'That's My Bush'. 'Charlton' also gets to deliver a great line about having the right to bear arms, but not to arm bears. (Shame there are no youtube clips, due to the insane zealousness of Viacom.)

159 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 3:51:30pm

re: #143 Athos

Yep, just as stupid as the hard core leftie I photographed at the Hollywood March 2005 anti-war march who believed that the US uses nerve gas on its own cities...

Stupid exists on both sides of the spectrum - only ideologues see it from just one side to further an agenda.

Yes, but that guy didn't have GOP senators and major figures egging him on. That guy did not have his fantasies fed by the Dem higher ups themselves.

160 Sharmuta  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 3:51:46pm

re: #156 Shug

400% increase to 3300 threats a year is 1.2 million?

or 13,200?

30+ a day.

161 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 3:51:52pm

re: #155 LudwigVanQuixote

Walter, you are an uneducated fool.

You are an historical revisionist. Note, Mussolini and Urban II and your insane and foolish attempts to rewrite history.

Mussolini was not a leftist. Urban really did call for the Crusades as an act of aggression. This is history.

Walter you are a liar about your science expertise.

Note how you claimed to have all sorts of science expertise from your careers doing something at a lab, but you brought a list of scientific links that did not say what you though they meant - and then tried to claim that you are not a scientist and that you don't care?

And Walter you are a cur. By comparing me, a Jew to the conspiracy kooks who claim that the Joos rule the world.

Walter, you have picked a fight with me each thread we have been on for the last several weeks and become progressively more childish and insulting and crazy with each.

In short Walter, stuff it.

Yawn.

162 Shug  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 3:52:24pm

re: #160 Sharmuta

30+ a day.

right. somebody upstream said 1.2 million a year.

fuzzy math

163 opnion  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 3:52:39pm

re: #154 Killgore Trout

Behold the Paulified Republican party...
At Michelle Bachmann Town Hall: Won't Give Up Social Security Because of Socialism

Poorly informed radical loons. Absolutely disgraceful.

You got it! They just don't have the intgellect of Nancy Pelosi or Maxine Waters.

164 Diego  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 3:53:02pm

re: #154 Killgore Trout

Behold the Paulified Republican party...
At Michelle Bachmann Town Hall: Won't Give Up Social Security Because of Socialism

How DARE you mock Gods Agent (tm)

/

165 itellu3times  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 3:53:18pm

re: #75 calcajun

Three books to read:

"Where God Went Wrong"
"More of God's Greatest Mistakes"
and
"Who is this 'God' Person Anyway?"

(Douglas Adams)

Isn't the last one,
"And That About Wraps It Up For God"
?

166 Shug  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 3:53:33pm

re: #163 opnion

You got it! They just don't have the intgellect of Nancy Pelosi or Maxine Waters.

Pelosi is Bachman with lots and lots and lots of power

167 SixDegrees  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 3:54:04pm

re: #141 Eowyn2

Shar: From the article from the source "Since Mr Obama took office, the rate of threats against the president has increased 400 per cent from the 3,000 a year or so under President George W. Bush, according to Ronald Kessler, author of In the President's Secret Service"

I looked for a statement from the Secret Service themselves, and couldn't find one. If you find one from the Secret Service, let me know. I have a hard time believing that Obama is getting 1,200,000 death threats a year (average 3300 per day) and that the secret service is looking into each and every one of them as per the article.

I really have to see the proof. Also, please remember that those threats he is talking about come from all over the world, not just the US.

I'm not following your math here. Bush reportedly received ~3000 threats per year. Four times that amount would be ~12000 threats - not 1.2 million.
Call it 35 per day. Doesn't seem like an impossible number, given that the Secret Service is charged with investigating ALL threats against the President, including, nowadays, those made on blogs that come to their attention.

Actually, the figure seems on the low side. I could point you to individual forums where that average gets exceeded on a daily basis.

But I won't.

168 Shug  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 3:54:07pm

dumb and nuts. both of them

169 Athos  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 3:54:09pm

re: #159 LudwigVanQuixote

No, just ANSWER, Code Pink, and the related Pols that supported those groups...

BTW, which GOP Senators and major officials are egging on 4409?

170 opnion  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 3:54:47pm

re: #166 Shug

Pelosi is Bachman with lots and lots and lots of power

Could be.

171 Sharmuta  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 3:54:51pm

re: #168 Shug

dumb and nuts. both of them

Really give women in suits a bad name.

172 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 3:54:57pm

re: #166 Shug

Pelosi is Bachman with lots and lots and lots of power

And much more charm too!

173 Flyovercountry  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 3:55:03pm

This whole thing is bizarre. A Black Man joins a white supramecist group and sports an assault rifle at a presidential rally. The Nitworks go out of their way to hide the fact that he is not white, while the Secret Service continues to inexplicably not round these idiots up. I don't hollywood, with a year's supply of LSD, could write a movie script this hard to swallow. What's left, for the rest of the year I mean?

174 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 3:55:16pm

re: #152 Eowyn2

Cite example.

[Link: www.answers.com...]

The reason the california assembly was voting on gun laws was to restrict the Panther's and the panthers went and protested with rifles in hands because of it.

175 Lincolntf  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 3:55:21pm

On FNC, Krauthammer just owned Juan Williams on the issue of whether harsh interrogation works better than asking nicely.

176 reine.de.tout  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 3:55:27pm

re: #141 Eowyn2

Shar: From the article from the source "Since Mr Obama took office, the rate of threats against the president has increased 400 per cent from the 3,000 a year or so under President George W. Bush, according to Ronald Kessler, author of In the President's Secret Service"

I looked for a statement from the Secret Service themselves, and couldn't find one. If you find one from the Secret Service, let me know. I have a hard time believing that Obama is getting 1,200,000 death threats a year (average 3300 per day) and that the secret service is looking into each and every one of them as per the article.

I really have to see the proof. Also, please remember that those threats he is talking about come from all over the world, not just the US.


30 death threats a day is about 900 a month, or almost 11,000 in a year, not 1,200,000.

Apart from that:
I posted a link to that article earlier in this thread, and I've been looking ever since for some sort of comfirmation from the Secret Service, and I could not find any. No clue as to where Ronald Kessler got that number.

177 JCM  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 3:55:34pm

re: #152 Eowyn2

Cite example.

WA, State.

RCW 9.41.270

Weapons apparently capable of producing bodily harm — Unlawful carrying or handling — Penalty — Exceptions.

(1) It shall be unlawful for any person to carry, exhibit, display, or draw any firearm, dagger, sword, knife or other cutting or stabbing instrument, club, or any other weapon apparently capable of producing bodily harm, in a manner, under circumstances, and at a time and place that either manifests an intent to intimidate another or that warrants alarm for the safety of other persons.

This was passed in 1969, and was specificaly aimed at the Black Panthers.

178 Danny  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 3:55:37pm

re: #154 Killgore Trout

Isn't that the guy who pulls Punxsutawney Phil out of his den on Groundhog Day?

179 Killgore Trout  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 3:55:48pm

More from the freakshow...

They've been listening to Rush and Beck. They think Obama is going to declare himself dictator and refuse to leave office.

180 BARACK THE VOTE  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 3:56:00pm

re: #157 HoosierHoops

Good evening! Hope today finds you well and healthy

Hi there cutie! Right back at you. ;)

181 Shug  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 3:56:01pm

Zombie still gets more threats than Obama

182 Eowyn2  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 3:56:20pm

re: #74 Walter L. Newton

And that is a big difference that I have been seeing lately. It's the mainstreaming of this craziness by major players in the conservative movement.

Many of these nuts and their mindset has been around longer than some of us have been alive, but I don't ever remember it getting the pay it gets right now.

Maybe the internet itself makes it so much easier to reach out from ones basement and touch so many more people?

There is no distinct leader in the Republican party. By appeasing these wing nuts, certain factions are scratching the litterbox for power footing. Until a decent Republican raises his voice above the mewling litterbox crowd, we will hear more and more about this group or that group "taking over" the Republicans.

Who gains if the perception is that the Republicans have been taken over by the wingnuts?

183 VioletTiger  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 3:56:27pm

re: #156 Shug

400% increase to 3300 threats a year is 1.2 million?

or 13,200?

That would be 13,200.

184 Killgore Trout  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 3:56:31pm

re: #178 Danny

Isn't that the guy who pulls Punxsutawney Phil out of his den on Groundhog Day?

I thought he was the Monopoly guy.

185 Flyers1974  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 3:56:51pm

re: #155 LudwigVanQuixote

re: #161 Walter L. Newton

Hey be careful - feelings are everywhere.

186 SixDegrees  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 3:57:34pm

re: #169 Athos

No, just ANSWER, Code Pink, and the related Pols that supported those groups...

BTW, which GOP Senators and major officials are egging on 4409?

I believe there's a link to a video, upthread, of state Rep. Gringey (R- GA) doing just that.

187 KingKenrod  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 3:57:39pm

re: #175 Lincolntf

On FNC, Krauthammer just owned Juan Williams on the issue of whether harsh interrogation works better than asking nicely.

Juan's position on most WoT issues is to stick his fingers in his ears and yell LA-LA-LA-LA-LA-LA-CAN'T-HEAR-YOU-LA-LA-LA-LA!!!

He seems to think that we can get the information some other way. What way, he has no idea. Not his problem.

188 BARACK THE VOTE  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 3:58:57pm

re: #179 Killgore Trout

More from the freakshow...

[Video]They've been listening to Rush and Beck. They think Obama is going to declare himself dictator and refuse to leave office.

This sort of rhetoric is meant to tie in with the nirthers and the idea that Obama is somehow not legally our POTUS, is an usurper, and as such needs to be deposed.

189 calcajun  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 3:59:07pm

re: #165 itellu3times

Isn't the last one,
"And That About Wraps It Up For God"
?

missed that.

190 VioletTiger  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 3:59:26pm

re: #187 KingKenrod

Juan's position on most WoT issues is to stick his fingers in his ears and yell LA-LA-LA-LA-LA-LA-CAN'T-HEAR-YOU-LA-LA-LA-LA!!!

He seems to think that we can get the information some other way. What way, he has no idea. Not his problem.

Hey, just invite the terrorist over for a beer and he'll spill the beans...
///

191 [deleted]  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 3:59:30pm
192 Danny  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 3:59:35pm

re: #184 Killgore Trout

I thought he was the Monopoly guy.

You could be right, but he must have shaved his moustache off then.

193 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 4:00:10pm

re: #169 Athos

No, just ANSWER, Code Pink, and the related Pols that supported those groups...

BTW, which GOP Senators and major officials are egging on 4409?

Answer and Code pink are pathetic moonbats who are seen as loony by the average Dem. They also don't carry guns or talk about violence or racial purity.

There is no comparison and even if there were, it would not matter because it would not excuse the GOP in the case we are talking about.

When a child does something bad and then points to another child's misbehavior it does not work as an excuse. It didn't work then and it doesn't work now.

As to the GOP egging this on,

Why not look at the thread right here about Inhofe from a few days ago.

I am simply tired of all the willful blindness here. It solves nothing.

194 calcajun  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 4:00:19pm

re: #175 Lincolntf

On FNC, Krauthammer just owned Juan Williams on the issue of whether harsh interrogation works better than asking nicely.

How does someone politely torture anyone?/

195 JamesTKirk  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 4:00:29pm

re: #190 VioletTiger

Hey, just invite the terrorist over for a beer and he'll spill the beans...

...in bed.

196 BARACK THE VOTE  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 4:00:37pm

re: #158 Jimmah

I just updinged Jimmah and I liked it.

197 [deleted]  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 4:00:46pm
198 JCM  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 4:02:12pm

re: #194 calcajun

How does someone politely torture anyone?/

Yeesh, I thought everyone knew the answer to that!
/;-P

199 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 4:02:13pm

re: #148 Walter L. Newton

This is brilliant Ludwig. You sound no better than the fools who are always telling us how the JOOS are trying to take over the world.

You are in the same league with them, you certainly are.

Fuck you sideways. Say that to my face asshole.

200 Digital Display  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 4:02:15pm

re: #191 buzzsawmonkey

It's the Underwear Gnome Rendition Plan:

1) Capture terrorists
2) ?
3) Analyze information gained

2) Drugs...When I woke up from getting my Wisdom teeth pulled I was saying all kinds of Shit I shouldn't say to the nurse...Totally Embarrassing..

201 philip  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 4:02:28pm

That young man is dripping with sociopathy. He needs mental help.

202 [deleted]  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 4:02:54pm
203 Ayeless in Ghazi  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 4:02:59pm

re: #179 Killgore Trout

More from the freakshow...

They've been listening to Rush and Beck. They think Obama is going to declare himself dictator and refuse to leave office.

Just what the extreme left used to say about Bush. So much for the right being better than all that.

204 Shiplord Kirel  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 4:04:28pm

One difference between left-nuts and right-nuts just now: The Obama administration is trying to smother or ignore the far left (ANSWER, Code Pink, etc.) and sweep it under the rug, while many of the media-anointed rising stars of the GOP (Bachmann, Brownback, etc.) are kooks themselves and many others are consorting with kooks. Almost noone in the Republican leadership actively opposes them.

205 calcajun  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 4:04:37pm

re: #198 JCM

You should thank me for that straight line./

206 BARACK THE VOTE  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 4:04:41pm

re: #59 Diego

 
Lo Ice, how's it goin'?

 

Hey Diego! doing fine. You?

207 Shug  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 4:05:12pm

Earth Liberation Front

208 Diego  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 4:05:41pm

Aye, I'm good :¬)

209 Shiplord Kirel  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 4:05:42pm

I sure miss William F. Buckley just now...

210 calcajun  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 4:06:14pm

re: #199 LudwigVanQuixote

Flies...honey, not vinegar. Remember.
You're letting your buttons get pushed.

211 Ayeless in Ghazi  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 4:06:25pm

re: #202 buzzsawmonkey

Yes, indeed. How dare Viacom actually behave as if it owns its property.

It seems overboard to 'protect' a show like that that has been seen by very few people and isn't readily available anywhere. I think they should look on it as advertising. Might help them sell a few dvds.

212 calcajun  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 4:07:10pm

re: #207 Shug

Earth Liberation Front

Not the Judean People's Front?/

213 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 4:07:24pm

re: #199 LudwigVanQuixote

Fuck you sideways. Say that to my face asshole.

I notice when you were trashing Christians on the last thread, going all they way back to Pope Urban to try to make a point about the Christians trying to take over the world, no on came back and told you to "F" off.

Funny, you can dish it out, like you did on the last thread, but when someone calls you on it, you go ballistic.

Over and over on these threads, as soon as someone doesn't agree with you, or if someone refuses to take up your position, you have some sassy-assed comment laying in wait for them.

Your Christian bashing on the last thread sounds just like the Jew bashing that it so prevalent from some corners.

Funny about that.

214 Ayeless in Ghazi  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 4:07:31pm

re: #196 iceweasel

I just updinged Jimmah and I liked it.

It was good for me too, iceweasel ;-)

215 calcajun  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 4:07:32pm

re: #209 Shiplord Kirel

I sure miss William F. Buckley just now...

as do we all.

216 calcajun  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 4:07:47pm

re: #214 Jimmah

It was good for me too, iceweasel ;-)

The two of you need to get a room./

217 Eowyn2  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 4:08:16pm

re: #177 JCM

This was passed in 1969, and was specificaly aimed at the Black Panthers.

Jeez JCM, make him do the work!

In the late 60s, the Hells Angels came to visit my home town. The Angels publicly announced that they were going to take over the town (mining town with a reputation for toughness) cops, high school kids, college kids, all met them at the town entrance. the Angels went home with their tails between their legs.

218 [deleted]  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 4:09:13pm
219 LGoPs  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 4:09:31pm

re: #204 Shiplord Kirel

One difference between left-nuts and right-nuts just now: The Obama administration is trying to smother or ignore the far left (ANSWER, Code Pink, etc.) and sweep it under the rug, while many of the media-anointed rising stars of the GOP (Bachmann, Brownback, etc.) are kooks themselves and many others are consorting with kooks. Almost noone in the Republican leadership actively opposes them.

In the case of the Obama administration there is no need to sweep the far left under the rug. The Obama adminsitration is the far left.

220 Flyers1974  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 4:10:03pm

re: #182 Eowyn2

There is no distinct leader in the Republican party. By appeasing these wing nuts, certain factions are scratching the litterbox for power footing. Until a decent Republican raises his voice above the mewling litterbox crowd, we will hear more and more about this group or that group "taking over" the Republicans.

Who gains if the perception is that the Republicans have been taken over by the wingnuts?

I think the GOP completely self-destructed and much of what you're saying regarding power footing, etc..., makes sense to me. But its also true that these things change very quickly - where were the Dems in 2002 for example? Leaderless and drifting. All the Dems had to do was sit back and let the GOP do themselves in. I think the same thing will happen to the Dems eventually, maybe 2012 maybe 2016.

221 Diego  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 4:10:30pm

re: #219 LGoPs

The Obama adminsitration is the far left

Do you really believe this?

222 Lincolntf  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 4:11:09pm

re: #219 LGoPs

Seriously. They elected the most partisan Lefty Senator in the country and wonder where their "fringe" went?
It went to the White House!

223 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 4:11:43pm

re: #222 Lincolntf

Seriously. They elected the most partisan Lefty Senator in the country and wonder where their "fringe" went?
It went to the White House!

So true?

224 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 4:12:09pm

re: #210 calcajun

Flies...honey, not vinegar. Remember.
You're letting your buttons get pushed.

No, you do not dare insult a Jew by comparing him to the evil propaganda of anti-Jewish enemies and expect no response. The fact that no-one has bothered to critique Walter on that stunt says a lot about the people on this board - some of whom are also Jews. I am disgusted.

225 Achilles Tang  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 4:12:10pm

I just watched that clip, but haven't read the posts yet. There were a lot of defenders of this perspective when the gun toter was first discussed here recently. Can we hear from them again, please?

226 Athos  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 4:12:18pm

re: #186 SixDegrees

I believe there's a link to a video, upthread, of state Rep. Gringey (R- GA) doing just that.

That seemed more like Gringey defending the right to carry if they are doing so legally - and Matthews basically looking to say that regardless of the right, there are places, like Presidential appearances and TownHall meetings where, while legal, is not advisable or acceptable to bring weapons to. Perhaps we are entering into semantics since I wasn't entirely clear about the premise of my position - which has little to do with legally carrying weapons and more to do with the reprehensible viewpoints and policies of that group beyond the AZ gun laws and the lack (as far as I am aware of) of any GOP official defending those specific positions.

Whackos exist on both sides of the spectrum - but ideologues will only focus on those who will further their agenda as opposed to remaining consistent in the condemnation of the whackos regardless of their position in the spectrum.

227 BARACK THE VOTE  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 4:12:43pm

re: #207 Shug

Earth Liberation Front

I'll be happy to condemn the crazies on the left again when they're ascendent.
Right now, it's the crazy on the right that is out of control, and worse, being mainstreamed.
I understand the desire to support a party (sort of). And I understand that kneejerk condemnation of the 'other side' is a comfortable way to live, for many. And I am fully aware of Reagan's 11th commandment, thou shalt not criticise a fellow Republican.

I cannot understand the desire to respond to the badness going on now by talking about how the left wore mean Tshirts, or carried signs, or made fun of Bush, and oh yeah what about those radical groups in the 70's blah blah blah.

This continual attempts at deflection or minimising what's happening are not going to fix the GOP's little red wagon anytime soon. I should think every conservative and real Republican would be working to change their party, getting angry at the leaders who ally themselves with these freaks, and condemning the extremist rhetoric-- instead of talking about how the left did worse or is worse or something.

228 Ringo the Gringo  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 4:12:46pm

I would assume that the Secret Service are keeping an eye on every member of this insane church. And I'm quite certain that Chrisopher Brotten (sp?) will be closely watched for the rest of Obama's term in office.

My question is: how many people are members of The Faithful Word Baptist Church? The news report does not answer this. From the looks of the video it's one of those tiny, store front churches. Anyone know the answer. My guess is that this crazy church has fewer member than Fred Phelp's Westboro Baptist Church in Kansas.

229 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 4:12:47pm

re: #221 Diego

Do you really believe this?

Oh come on, at least be honest about it. I have no problem seeing that Glenn Beck, or these folks on the thread topic are far right nuts. So, what is Obama, moderate?

230 sattv4u2  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 4:12:48pm

re: #217 Eowyn2

Jeez JCM, make him do the work!

In the late 60s, the Hells Angels came to visit my home town. The Angels publicly announced that they were going to take over the town (mining town with a reputation for toughness) cops, high school kids, college kids, all met them at the town entrance. the Angels went home with their tails between their legs.

So what your saying is that the Angles came to your town and got tail!?!??!?!

//

231 LGoPs  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 4:13:05pm

re: #221 Diego

Do you really believe this?

Damn, of course not. Thanks for pointing out my mistake. The Obama administration is a radical left administration.

232 reine.de.tout  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 4:13:33pm

re: #221 Diego

Do you really believe this?

Well, yes, some people actually do believe that the Obama administration, if not to the farthest left, is far left.

If you don't believe that's true, it would be most helpful to our understanding if you would explain.

233 unrealizedviewpoint  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 4:13:39pm

re: #74 Walter L. Newton

And that is a big difference that I have been seeing lately. It's the mainstreaming of this craziness by major players in the conservative movement.

Maybe these unhinged players who practice these techniques witnessed the fringe of the Left grab hold of the democratic party, now the Presidency, and believe they can accomplish the same.

234 Eowyn2  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 4:14:13pm

Sharm - sorry - bad math.

BAD MATH. Someone take away my sliderule and give me a Patron.
and end of monday here. going almost home.

235 Shug  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 4:14:42pm

re: #199 LudwigVanQuixote

Fuck you sideways. Say that to my face asshole.


That's mighty savage nationy of you

236 Danny  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 4:14:47pm

re: #225 Naso Tang

I just watched that clip, but haven't read the posts yet. There were a lot of defenders of this perspective when the gun toter was first discussed here recently. Can we hear from them again, please?

What perspective espoused by Broughten are you referring to?

237 TheMatrix31  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 4:14:52pm

re: #219 LGoPs

Ex-fucking-actly.

238 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 4:14:57pm

re: #224 LudwigVanQuixote

No, you do not dare insult a Jew by comparing him to the evil propaganda of anti-Jewish enemies and expect no response. The fact that no-one has bothered to critique Walter on that stunt says a lot about the people on this board - some of whom are also Jews. I am disgusted.

The fact that no one called you on your Christian bashing on the last thread say a lot about the people on this blog. It says we can have different opinions without putting someone down and cursing at them like you do every time someone doesn't agree with you.

239 unrealizedviewpoint  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 4:15:11pm

re: #221 Diego

Do you really believe this?

Please LGoPs, allow me: Ummm, YES!

240 Eowyn2  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 4:15:28pm

re: #220 Flyers1974

I think the GOP completely self-destructed and much of what you're saying regarding power footing, etc..., makes sense to me. But its also true that these things change very quickly - where were the Dems in 2002 for example? Leaderless and drifting. All the Dems had to do was sit back and let the GOP do themselves in. I think the same thing will happen to the Dems eventually, maybe 2012 maybe 2016.

Only if the responsible Republicans will take a stand.

241 BARACK THE VOTE  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 4:15:41pm

re: #219 LGoPs

In the case of the Obama administration there is no need to sweep the far left under the rug. The Obama adminsitration is the far left.

That simply isn't true. Obama is barely to the left of center, just as McCain was barely to the right of center.

242 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 4:15:55pm

re: #233 unrealizedviewpoint

Maybe these unhinged players who practice these techniques witnessed the fringe of the Left grab hold of the democratic party, now the Presidency, and believe they can accomplish the same.

Oh I'm sure that these radical right wing nuts are taking a page from the progressives tactics, it's just the same, isn't it?

243 Shug  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 4:16:17pm

re: #227 iceweasel

I'll be happy to condemn the crazies on the left again when they're ascendent.
.

they've ascended to Pennsylvania Avenue

244 Diego  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 4:16:29pm

re: #232 reine.de.tout

If you don't believe that's true, it would be most helpful to our understanding if you would explain.

Well, I'll try: if he is so 'far left' why would he spend so much time farting about trying to coddle the GOP all the time? You can't say 'just so he can say he did' as he has gone far, far beyond that.

245 [deleted]  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 4:16:37pm
246 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 4:16:38pm

re: #213 Walter L. Newton

I notice when you were trashing Christians on the last thread, going all they way back to Pope Urban to try to make a point about the Christians trying to take over the world, no on came back and told you to "F" off.

Funny, you can dish it out, like you did on the last thread, but when someone calls you on it, you go ballistic.

Over and over on these threads, as soon as someone doesn't agree with you, or if someone refuses to take up your position, you have some sassy-assed comment laying in wait for them.

Your Christian bashing on the last thread sounds just like the Jew bashing that it so prevalent from some corners.

Funny about that.

You know better than that and so does anyone who rad what I wrote.

Asshole I was talking about a certain set of christians and I even pointed out Naturei Carta - a set of really crazy Jews. Don't you dare prevaricate and equivocate at me you little shit.

Now, I know this is all some funny little game on the interwebs to you. So let's be clear. I don;t give a damn about you or your foolishness. I don't give a damn about what sort of a pathetic set of circumstances has led you to be so blind, deluded, lying and rude. It does not excuse you.

If you were to ever accuse me of being against my own people like you just have, for cheap points in a silly debate, to my face, I would knock out some of your teeth and listen to you try to change the meanings of what you said then.

247 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 4:17:00pm

re: #243 Shug

they've ascended to Pennsylvania Avenue

LOL.

248 LGoPs  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 4:17:08pm

re: #241 iceweasel

That simply isn't true. Obama is barely to the left of center, just as McCain was barely to the right of center.

Sure. Whatever.

249 Ayeless in Ghazi  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 4:17:11pm

re: #218 buzzsawmonkey

I never could figure out why anyone who owns something would want to "advertise" to a bunch of freeloaders who just want free stuff, but it's always fun to hear the "I want free stuff!" crowd come up with new justifications for their cadging.

Who cares about the freeloaders when you are reaching out at the same time to avid purchasers of dvd's - like myself - who would otherwise remain ignorant of the product's existence?

Remember this is a product with virtually no 'visibility' in the market place. I don't see any harm, only benefit, in allowing the show the exposure that a few you tube clips - clips, mind (not entire eposides) - would bring.

250 Flyers1974  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 4:17:15pm

re: #222 Lincolntf

Seriously. They elected the most partisan Lefty Senator in the country and wonder where their "fringe" went?
It went to the White House!

Is there a correlation between Obama's rating as a senator and his behavior as president? I think Obama was such a liberal senator because he came from Chicago. Illinois. Pure politics in other words. In my opinion, Obama is a guy who isn't a risk taker nor a revolutionary - he's a methodical lawyer type, and fairly liberal.

251 Buster  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 4:17:24pm

re: #181 Shug

Zombie still gets more threats than Obama

Rob Zombie? From the reviews of Halloween II I've seen, perhaps he deserves it.

252 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 4:17:33pm

re: #246 LudwigVanQuixote

You know better than that and so does anyone who rad what I wrote.

Asshole I was talking about a certain set of christians and I even pointed out Naturei Carta - a set of really crazy Jews. Don't you dare prevaricate and equivocate at me you little shit.

Now, I know this is all some funny little game on the interwebs to you. So let's be clear. I don;t give a damn about you or your foolishness. I don't give a damn about what sort of a pathetic set of circumstances has led you to be so blind, deluded, lying and rude. It does not excuse you.

If you were to ever accuse me of being against my own people like you just have, for cheap points in a silly debate, to my face, I would knock out some of your teeth and listen to you try to change the meanings of what you said then.

Yawn.

253 unrealizedviewpoint  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 4:17:49pm

re: #225 Naso Tang

I just watched that clip, but haven't read the posts yet. There were a lot of defenders of this perspective when the gun toter was first discussed here recently. Can we hear from them again, please?

As more info is uncovered opinions may change.

254 VioletTiger  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 4:17:57pm

re: #241 iceweasel

That simply isn't true. Obama is barely to the left of center, just as McCain was barely to the right of center.



Where is your center?

255 Athos  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 4:18:02pm

re: #241 iceweasel

That simply isn't true. Obama is barely to the left of center, just as McCain was barely to the right of center.

Can you provide me with some basis that demonstrates that he is barely to the left of center? If I could understand your definition for the hard left, middle left, and center?

256 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 4:18:10pm

re: #246 LudwigVanQuixote

You know better than that and so does anyone who rad what I wrote.

Asshole I was talking about a certain set of christians and I even pointed out Naturei Carta - a set of really crazy Jews. Don't you dare prevaricate and equivocate at me you little shit.

Now, I know this is all some funny little game on the interwebs to you. So let's be clear. I don;t give a damn about you or your foolishness. I don't give a damn about what sort of a pathetic set of circumstances has led you to be so blind, deluded, lying and rude. It does not excuse you.

If you were to ever accuse me of being against my own people like you just have, for cheap points in a silly debate, to my face, I would knock out some of your teeth and listen to you try to change the meanings of what you said then.

You are sounding a bit like the subjects of this thread. Cool down.

257 TheMatrix31  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 4:18:16pm

re: #221 Diego

Do you really believe this?

If we take what we've known about Barack Obama's past, then connect them to what we've seen so far, then yes.

258 sattv4u2  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 4:18:25pm

re: #199 LudwigVanQuixote

Fuck you sideways. Say that to my face asshole.

Rule #2 from above!

Obscene, abusive, silly, or annoying remarks may be deleted, but the fact that particular comments remain on the site in no way constitutes an endorsement of their views by Little Green Footballs.

just sayin!

259 Shug  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 4:18:35pm

re: #241 iceweasel

That simply isn't true. Obama is barely to the left of center, just as McCain was barely to the right of center.


HAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH

260 VioletTiger  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 4:18:58pm

re: #244 Diego

Well, I'll try: if he is so 'far left' why would he spend so much time farting about trying to coddle the GOP all the time? You can't say 'just so he can say he did' as he has gone far, far beyond that.

How has he coddled the GOP? Examples?

261 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 4:19:09pm

re: #252 Walter L. Newton

Yawn.

Taking a break. the fact that a turd like you can get me that angry is something I should reflect on.

Have a good evening lizards. I have better things to do.

262 Diego  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 4:19:14pm

re: #250 Flyers1974

He's a methodical lawyer type, and fairly liberal.

That's fair and I agree.

263 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 4:19:25pm

re: #258 sattv4u2

Rule #2 from above!

Obscene, abusive, silly, or annoying remarks may be deleted, but the fact that particular comments remain on the site in no way constitutes an endorsement of their views by Little Green Footballs.

just sayin!

And now he is physically threatening me. And here we are talking about radical right nuts threatening violence.

Interesting.

264 Racer X  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 4:19:47pm

re: #241 iceweasel

That simply isn't true. Obama is barely to the left of center

*spew*

Great. Now I got Root Beer all over my computer.

265 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 4:19:50pm

re: #258 sattv4u2

Rule #2 from above!

Obscene, abusive, silly, or annoying remarks may be deleted, but the fact that particular comments remain on the site in no way constitutes an endorsement of their views by Little Green Footballs.

just sayin!

Then don't dare compare me like that to the anti-semites. And fuck you too!

266 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 4:19:57pm

re: #261 LudwigVanQuixote

Taking a break. the fact that a turd like you can get me that angry is something I should reflect on.

Have a good evening lizards. I have better things to do.

And Ludwig proves my point again.

267 jaunte  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 4:20:00pm

Obama: Most Liberal Senator In 2007
[Link: news.nationaljournal.com...]

268 [deleted]  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 4:20:15pm
269 sattv4u2  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 4:20:48pm

re: #265 LudwigVanQuixote

Then don't dare compare me like that to the anti-semites. And fuck you too!

Lemme think about that for a moment

ummm,, nope ,, no thanks , anyway!

270 Shug  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 4:21:06pm

re: #263 Walter L. Newton

And now he is physically threatening me. And here we are talking about radical right nuts threatening violence.

Interesting.

The irony is sort of thick right?

Lots of "irony" like that on the stalker blog

271 reine.de.tout  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 4:21:09pm

re: #244 Diego

Well, I'll try: if he is so 'far left' why would he spend so much time farting about trying to coddle the GOP all the time? You can't say 'just so he can say he did' as he has gone far, far beyond that.

Oh, to hell with this.

I asked you to explain why you don't think Obama is far left, and you throw a question and a challenge my way.

That's not an answer.

272 Achilles Tang  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 4:21:15pm

re: #236 Danny

What perspective espoused by Broughten are you referring to?

LOL. I did see that one coming. Congrats for being so fast.

Why, the perspective that carrying assault weapons to a political rally is thuggery. Clearly that point is now proven, or will you amaze us with a defense?

273 debutaunt  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 4:21:21pm

re: #241 iceweasel

That simply isn't true. Obama is barely to the left of center, just as McCain was barely to the right of center.

Whoa! You are so funny!!! !!! !!!

274 Athos  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 4:21:59pm

re: #267 jaunte

Obama: Most Liberal Senator In 2007
[Link: news.nationaljournal.com...]

Therefore, Teddy, Feinstein, Boxer, Kucinich, Durbin are all centrists, and Sanders stands just slightly to the left of Obama...

275 Flyers1974  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 4:22:03pm

re: #232 reine.de.tout

Well, yes, some people actually do believe that the Obama administration, if not to the farthest left, is far left.

If you don't believe that's true, it would be most helpful to our understanding if you would explain.

Although, that's doesn't mean much considering modern political history - there hasn't been many Democratic presidents period, let alone many liberal ones: Clinton: moderate Democrat; Carter: can't remember; LBJ: Great Society/civil rights but also Vietnam War; JFK: civil rights but cold warrior.

276 Lincolntf  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 4:22:25pm

re: #250 Flyers1974

If someone had told you two years ago that Obama was such a radical Leftist that he'd take over GM, attempt to nationalize health care and embrace Hugo Chavez, you'd have probably called them paranoid.
Now, not so much.

277 esch  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 4:22:42pm

re: #241 iceweasel

That simply isn't true. Obama is barely to the left of center, just as McCain was barely to the right of center.

Ice I've gotta tell you, that's a jaw-dropper.

278 Achilles Tang  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 4:22:58pm

re: #253 unrealizedviewpoint

As more info is uncovered opinions may change.

If I understand you correctly, that is what I would have liked to hear.

279 jaunte  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 4:23:12pm

re: #274 Athos

I suppose if the left-right spectrum is worldwide, Obama is close to the center.
Not so much if you're looking at domestic politics.

280 Shug  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 4:23:30pm

re: #276 Lincolntf

If someone had told you two years ago that Obama was such a radical Leftist that he'd take over GM, attempt to nationalize health care and embrace Hugo Chavez, you'd have probably called them paranoid Glenn Beck .
Now, not so much.


snicker

281 Diego  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 4:23:37pm

re: #260 VioletTiger

How has he coddled the GOP? Examples?

How has he not? He's allowed his flagship program, health insurance reform, to be hijacked, delayed and attacked openly but GOP and hasn't said so much as BOO! to them.

Perhaps you can demonstrate how he has performed 'far left' as President?

282 Killian Bundy  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 4:23:39pm

Pastor Steven Anderson = mainstream GOP

/got it, I wonder what speaking slot he'll get at the 2012 convention

283 BARACK THE VOTE  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 4:24:06pm

re: #250 Flyers1974

Is there a correlation between Obama's rating as a senator and his behavior as president? I think Obama was such a liberal senator because he came from Chicago. Illinois. Pure politics in other words. In my opinion, Obama is a guy who isn't a risk taker nor a revolutionary - he's a methodical lawyer type, and fairly liberal.

Exactly, Flyers. He's no kind of risktaker. His preferred strategy is to put the decision making elsewhere, really, and then wait to act. Compare and contrast the Clinton health plan vs what he's doing-- he's putting it all on Congress to come up with one, rather than presenting them with one to eviscerate.

That is partly because he's obviously learned from the Clinton debacle, but it also reflects his general style as well. (It's also about deflecting blame, of course).

284 snowcrash  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 4:24:18pm

re: #263 Walter L. Newton
We got the point. ok? I was on that thread. In your quest to make a point with Ludwig you are getting very close to insulting Jews. Let it go.

285 Shiplord Kirel  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 4:24:43pm

Didn't intend to start a pissing contest here, but it should be obvious that the leftish Obama administration is just not in the same class of kookery as Code Pink or ANSWER, among many, many others. THOSE are the radical left, and not even the most radical by a long shot. Obama has not, for example, shut down the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, nor opened the borders, nor abandoned Israel to the degree the far left has sought for years. I have plenty of differences with Obama and his supporters, but he is not Code Pink or any of that ilk, and it is a denial of reality to say that he is.

286 Danny  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 4:24:50pm

re: #272 Naso Tang

LOL. I did see that one coming. Congrats for being so fast.

Why, the perspective that carrying assault weapons to a political rally is thuggery. Clearly that point is now proven, or will you amaze us with a defense?

Actually, I won't, although I characterized it as intimidation, not "thuggery."

287 JCM  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 4:25:12pm

re: #217 Eowyn2

Jeez JCM, make him do the work!

Sorry! Just happen to be familiar with WA.

There is in WA a finding from the AG (IIRC), that open carry ie. holstered does not meet the requirements of the law, it's not threatening or intimidating just to open carry, there has to the other elements.

288 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 4:25:19pm

re: #281 Diego

How has he not? He's allowed his flagship program, health insurance reform, to be hijacked, delayed and attacked openly but GOP and hasn't said so much as BOO! to them.

Perhaps you can demonstrate how he has performed 'far left' as President?

By introducing this socialist screed in the first place. Have you read the proposed bill. Do you understand how much control the government will have over your day to day life if the proposals in this bill pass intact?

289 coquimbojoe  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 4:25:38pm

re: #24 opnion

Absolutely no justification to bring a weapon to a Town Hall, whether the speaker is the President or anyone else. The only reasons are to be provocative & intimidating.
However that does not tar all that showed up to air their grievances.

Sorry for the late reply... I think the Town Hall protests are generally fantastic. People have finally woken up to their crappy government. Republicans are getting a pass right now, but they could use some angrier constituents. The group that this loser belongs to are the 'idiots'.

290 LGoPs  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 4:25:59pm

re: #244 Diego

Well, I'll try: if he is so 'far left' why would he spend so much time farting about trying to coddle the GOP all the time? You can't say 'just so he can say he did' as he has gone far, far beyond that.

I have trouble making sense of the last part of your comment but by coddling are you referring to the Won's attempt to criminalize past policy defferences with the previous Republican administration. Or are you referring to his magnanimous remark about having 'Won' the election. Or perhaps the unpresidential sniveling about those meanies at FOX being against him. Or perhaps the back door attempts to impose a Fairness Doctrine.
Folks like you make me believe in extraterrestrial life because you are from a different planet than I am.

291 Athos  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 4:26:11pm

re: #283 iceweasel

Still trying to vote 'Present', eh?

If that's his general style, where is the leadership bringing 'Hope and Change'?

292 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 4:26:27pm

re: #284 snowcrash

We got the point. ok? I was on that thread. In your quest to make a point with Ludwig you are getting very close to insulting Jews. Let it go.

Me insult Jews, you really don't know me very well do you? Anyway. No insult was intended.

293 Diego  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 4:26:40pm

re: #288 Walter L. Newton

Do you understand how much control the government will have over your day to day life

No, but I'm willing to be educated. How will he control my day-to-day life?

294 TheMatrix31  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 4:27:07pm

Mark Levin's Facebook Status:

Gore says in memory of Teddy, pass this health care bill. I say in Reagan's memory kill ObamaCare!
about a minute ago

295 Digital Display  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 4:27:50pm

re: #265 LudwigVanQuixote

Then don't dare compare me like that to the anti-semites. And fuck you too!

Ludwig...Satt didn't compare you to anything..He quoted rule #2...
You are really upset now...Chill OK...We would never in a million years compare you to an Anti-Semite...It's a little Tif.
May God grant you grace and Peace tonight...Have a glass of wine and relax.
Be well and return refreshed and healthy...

296 Killian Bundy  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 4:27:58pm

The Audacity of Socialism

In 21 parts.

/had Obama nailed down well before the election

297 BARACK THE VOTE  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 4:28:04pm

re: #285 Shiplord Kirel

Didn't intend to start a pissing contest here, but it should be obvious that the leftish Obama administration is just not in the same class of kookery as Code Pink or ANSWER, among many, many others. THOSE are the radical left, and not even the most radical by a long shot. Obama has not, for example, shut down the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, nor opened the borders, nor abandoned Israel to the degree the far left has sought for years. I have plenty of differences with Obama and his supporters, but he is not Code Pink or any of that ilk, and it is a denial of reality to say that he is.

And yet that's precisely what many would have us believe: that Obama is a communist marxist socialist fascist totalitarian and whatever other smear is being employed that day. And it simply isn't true.
Moreover, there isn't a true left in US politics in the same way that there is elsewhere.

298 Racer X  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 4:28:11pm

Someone needs a timeout.

299 Flyers1974  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 4:28:13pm

re: #291 Athos

Still trying to vote 'Present', eh?

If that's his general style, where is the leadership bringing 'Hope and Change'?

Hope and Change is political b.s. kind of like uniter not a divider.

300 Achilles Tang  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 4:28:20pm

re: #286 Danny

Actually, I won't, although I characterized it as intimidation, not "thuggery."

Thugs operate by intimidation.

301 VioletTiger  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 4:28:39pm

re: #281 Diego

How has he not? He's allowed his flagship program, health insurance reform, to be hijacked, delayed and attacked openly but GOP and hasn't said so much as BOO! to them.

Perhaps you can demonstrate how he has performed 'far left' as President?

You haven't been paying very close attention to the healthcare debate.
The Dems have enough votes in both houses to pass this all on their own. The Dems have not agreed on this deficit-boosting nightmare.
It's not the GOP that prevented him from shoving this crap down our throats, it is the American people.
Now, consider how he took over the car companies, hugged Hugo, spent taxpayer money like a drunken sailor on every liberal wish list item for the past 20 years, and we'll talk some more.

302 LGoPs  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 4:28:47pm

re: #281 Diego

How has he not? He's allowed his flagship program, health insurance reform, to be hijacked, delayed and attacked openly but GOP and hasn't said so much as BOO! to them.

Perhaps you can demonstrate how he has performed 'far left' as President?

He's allowed? What pray tell would you like him to do?. Put them under arrest?

303 TheMatrix31  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 4:28:49pm

re: #293 Diego

You mean to tell me that you think that with a socialized healthcare system in place, you'll still be free to operate as you do today?

Ok.

304 _RememberTonyC  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 4:29:18pm

I didn't think it would be easy to find a "pastor" worse than the putrid jeremiah wright, but this piece of shit in Arizona is worse.

305 Charles Johnson  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 4:29:22pm

re: #225 Naso Tang

I just watched that clip, but haven't read the posts yet. There were a lot of defenders of this perspective when the gun toter was first discussed here recently. Can we hear from them again, please?

I was pretty astounded (and NOT in a good way) at how many LGF commenters tried to defend Broughton and his group.

306 Ringo the Gringo  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 4:29:46pm

What I find frightening about this Christopher Broughten fellow is that he looks so normal...I prefer it when crazies look like crazies, they're much easier to pick out of a crowd that way.

Although, I suppose the semi-automatic rifle strapped to his back gives him away...I wonder if he wears it to church.

307 Ayeless in Ghazi  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 4:30:16pm

re: #268 buzzsawmonkey

What someone does with their own property is their own business. It may conform to your desires, or your fantasy of what their business model should be, or it may not. It may benefit them, or it may not.

It doesn't matter, though--because it is the property owner's call, not yours. Period. And for that reason, it doesn't matter whether or not you see the logic in the property owner's actions; it doesn't even matter whether there is any logic in them.

Don't know if you've noticed, but I have not in any way disputed that it's Viacoms call to decide how zealously to protect their product. I do however dispute their logic in this case. I don't dispute that logic as part of a challenge to Viacom's rights, I challenge it simply because it doesn't make any sense, and the result - inability to post any clips from the show - is annoying.

308 calcajun  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 4:30:16pm

re: #241 iceweasel

The only thing which prevents me from agreeing with your assessment is the fact that you are wrong. BHO is very far left of center.

309 LGoPs  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 4:30:27pm

re: #298 Racer X

Someone needs a timeout.

Seconded by a recent timeouter...
/

310 Diego  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 4:30:52pm

re: #301 VioletTiger

hugged Hugo


lol okay, sure :¬)

311 Diego  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 4:32:27pm

re: #303 TheMatrix31

You mean to tell me that you think that with a socialized healthcare system in place, you'll still be free to operate as you do today?

Ok.


No, I mean for someone to tell me how it will.

312 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 4:32:38pm

re: #293 Diego

No, but I'm willing to be educated. How will he control my day-to-day life?

We are working on the assumption that the proposals, as in the current bill, pass intact.

You will not be able to purchase any health insurance, without paying a penalty, unless that coverage has been approved by the federal government. Not private, not public, not from another country, no coverage unless it has been approved by the federal government.

The federal government will decide what is adequate cover fro ALL POLICIES, and charge you and/or you employer a penalty if your coverage don't meet those standards.

So, you have no free choice on coverage. If your coverage (of any sort) is not approved, you will pay 2.5 percent of your adjusted gross yearly salary as a fine.

Your employer will pay 8.0 percent of your adjusted gross yearly salary as a fine if his coverage is not government approved or he decides NOT to offer coverage.

Do you not see that this is designed to become a total control by the feds of your health care needs, with very little input from you?

313 Athos  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 4:33:07pm

re: #285 Shiplord Kirel

You raise a valid point, he hasn't demonstrated a true kinship with the radical left in his policies thusfar - as evidenced by the radical left, including Momma Moonbat, protesting him on the Vineyard for not abandoning Iraq, Afghanistan or for actually tossing Israel under the bus.

The radical left is whinging quite loud about the fact that he is not doing all of the stuff that they want him to do - and one has to hope that the reason for it is that despite his connections, friendships, and probably sympathies with members of the radical left, he draws a line.

314 sattv4u2  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 4:33:33pm

re: #307 Jimmah

Don't know if you've noticed, but I have not in any way disputed that it's Viacoms call to decide how zealously to protect their product. I do however dispute their logic in this case. I don't dispute that logic as part of a challenge to Viacom's rights, I challenge it simply because it doesn't make any sense, and the result - inability to post any clips from the show - is annoying.

Many times a company like Viacom (or recording companies, video distribution companies, even book publishers) will hold a product "off the shelf" until they deem there is enough of a demand to offset marketing and distribution costs, then after that swell has passed but the product back into mothballs.

315 VioletTiger  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 4:33:43pm

re: #310 Diego

lol okay, sure :¬)

Is that all you've got?

316 BlackFedora  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 4:34:02pm

*Tries to find where Jesus commanded his followers to pray for their nation's leaders to get stricken with brain cancer.*

317 sattv4u2  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 4:34:20pm

re: #308 calcajun

The only thing which prevents me from agreeing with your assessment is the fact that you are wrong. BHO is very far left of center.

UPDING not so much for the content, but rather the delivery!

318 wrenchwench  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 4:35:18pm

re: #306 Ringo the Gringo

Although, I suppose the semi-automatic rifle strapped to his back gives him away...I wonder if he wears it to church.

Possibly. From the article linked above:

Parishioners leaving the Faithful Word Baptist Church Sunday carried not just their Bibles, but guns as well.

319 Killgore Trout  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 4:35:37pm

Alex Jones: Camp Fema

320 Neutral President  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 4:36:18pm

re: #308 calcajun

The only thing which prevents me from agreeing with your assessment is the fact that you are wrong.

I'll have to remember to use this line sometime. It's great.

321 unrealizedviewpoint  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 4:37:52pm

re: #308 calcajun

The only thing which prevents me from agreeing with your assessment is the fact that you are wrong.

Too long to nominate?

322 Ringo the Gringo  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 4:38:07pm

re: #318 wrenchwench

Thanks, I thought the link above linked to the ABC News video. I guess I should have clicked it first.

323 BARACK THE VOTE  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 4:38:08pm

re: #281 Diego

How has he not? He's allowed his flagship program, health insurance reform, to be hijacked, delayed and attacked openly but GOP and hasn't said so much as BOO! to them.

Exactly. And the Gang of Six is now down to the Gang of Five. And they rolled over on sec1233 on end of life counseling purely because of the scare mongering over made up fears about euthanasia.
And Grassley is basing his campaign on opposition to health care reform!

Some 'bipartisanship'.

324 Ayeless in Ghazi  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 4:39:10pm

re: #314 sattv4u2

Many times a company like Viacom (or recording companies, video distribution companies, even book publishers) will hold a product "off the shelf" until they deem there is enough of a demand to offset marketing and distribution costs, then after that swell has passed but the product back into mothballs.

Sure, but this comedy was made in 2001 and is still on sale in DVD format so that doesn't apply here. In this case, youtube really would just be free advertising.

325 unrealizedviewpoint  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 4:39:40pm

re: #308 calcajun

The only thing which prevents me from agreeing with your assessment is the fact that you are wrong. BHO is very far left of center.

Surely we can drive this up to a 'Top 10'

326 Shug  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 4:39:54pm

re: #319 Killgore Trout

heh.
This is the same fed govt that couldn't even evacuate a few thousand folks from New Orleans. Poor Alex. He's batshit crazy

but then again, this is also the same govt that was able to secretly rig both towers of the WTC with controlled demolitions
/

327 Diego  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 4:40:21pm

re: #312 Walter L. Newton

You will not be able to purchase any health insurance, without paying a penalty, unless that coverage has been approved by the federal government. Not private, not public, not from another country, no coverage unless it has been approved by the federal government.

The federal government will decide what is adequate cover fro ALL POLICIES, and charge you and/or you employer a penalty if your coverage don't meet those standards.

I think you mean plans must meet a minimum requrement of services to be included in the insurance exchange. That doesn't mean all have to. It doesn't mean you can't purchace those which don't. And it doesn't mean you'll pay a tax or fine if you do.


So, you have no free choice on coverage. If your coverage (of any sort) is not approved, you will pay 2.5 percent of your adjusted gross yearly salary as a fine.

Okay, so if you have coverage which only covers $1000/yr and you get cancer, what should happen? Should you be allowed to go without coverage? Should the government pick up the tab?


Your employer will pay 8.0 percent of your adjusted gross yearly salary as a fine if his coverage is not government approved or he decides NOT to offer coverage.

I believe the 8% figure is for businesses with $500,000+/yr payrole which do not provide coverage. Businesses providing coverage penny up, are you saying if a business decides not to they should just be let off?


Do you not see that this is designed to become a total control by the feds of your health care needs, with very little input from you?

Again, I see no control. I see lots of options.

I have not seen how a public insurance option will 'conrtol my day-to-day life', as you claimed.

328 VioletTiger  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 4:40:54pm

re: #323 iceweasel

Exactly. And the Gang of Six is now down to the Gang of Five. And they rolled over on sec1233 on end of life counseling purely because of the scare mongering over made up fears about euthanasia.
And Grassley is basing his campaign on opposition to health care reform!

Some 'bipartisanship'.

Ice, they don't NEED a signle GOP vote.
If this is so great, they can do it on their own. In fact, there have been several Dems who have suggested they will do just that.

Will you argue that they really want to be bipartisan, or are they reluctant do this on their own?

329 Diego  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 4:41:09pm

re: #315 VioletTiger

Is that all you've got?

I dunno, you have anything which doesn't include delusions?

330 BARACK THE VOTE  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 4:41:52pm

re: #305 Charles

I was pretty astounded (and NOT in a good way) at how many LGF commenters tried to defend Broughton and his group.

Frankly, I see it as another instance of IOKIYAR. : "It's okay if you're a republican."

If this had been a Code Pink protester at a Bush event people here would never have defended it, never.

331 [deleted]  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 4:42:06pm
332 unrealizedviewpoint  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 4:42:17pm

re: #327 Diego

Walter your debating with a dolt.

333 Syrah  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 4:42:30pm

re: #328 VioletTiger

Ice, they don't NEED a signle GOP vote.
If this is so great, they can do it on their own. In fact, there have been several Dems who have suggested they will do just that.

Will you argue that they really want to be bipartisan, or are they reluctant do this on their own?

They are afraid to do it on their own.

Their exposure would be total.

334 coquimbojoe  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 4:42:41pm

re: #305 Charles

I was pretty astounded (and NOT in a good way) at how many LGF commenters tried to defend Broughton and his group.

I totally 100% support their right to bare arms (arm bears, bare armed bears, whatever), but there is no reason to do this type of 'protest' what were they protesting? The fact that they could be armed in the vicinity of the president and not get arrested? All it did was draw attention to their impotency.

335 jaunte  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 4:42:45pm

re: #324 Jimmah

Sure, but this comedy was made in 2001 and is still on sale in DVD format so that doesn't apply here. In this case, youtube really would just be free advertising.

I think a lot of big corporate legal departments have not yet figured out that internet marketing requires them to loosen control a bit.

336 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 4:42:51pm

Wow. A pastor who managed to skip reading the entire New Testament. That's quite a trick.

337 Racer X  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 4:43:07pm

Nine Trillion dollars.

America is broke. We cannot afford "health care reform" right now.

I'm very sorry but Santa Government will not be delivering any presents this year. Lets try again next year.

338 VioletTiger  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 4:43:14pm

re: #329 Diego

I dunno, you have anything which doesn't include delusions?

Pretty rude for somebody who throws out general statements as fact, with nothing but empty rhetoric to back it up.
GAZE

339 Killgore Trout  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 4:43:18pm

re: #326 Shug

It's becoming a disturbingly common theme on the right that Obama is forcing the people on the right to rise up and revolt. I think it's just a way of deflecting the blame of possible terrorist attacks against the government.

340 Ayeless in Ghazi  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 4:43:21pm

re: #285 Shiplord Kirel

Didn't intend to start a pissing contest here, but it should be obvious that the leftish Obama administration is just not in the same class of kookery as Code Pink or ANSWER, among many, many others. THOSE are the radical left, and not even the most radical by a long shot. Obama has not, for example, shut down the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, nor opened the borders, nor abandoned Israel to the degree the far left has sought for years. I have plenty of differences with Obama and his supporters, but he is not Code Pink or any of that ilk, and it is a denial of reality to say that he is.

Updinged.

341 Shug  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 4:43:24pm

re: #330 iceweasel

Frankly, I see it as another instance of IOKIYAR. : "It's okay if you're a republican."

If this had been a Code Pink protester at a Bush event people here would never have defended it, never.

1. Nobody should defend it regardless of political party
2. bad example. the only weapon a code stinker carries is their face

342 sattv4u2  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 4:43:39pm

re: #323 iceweasel

Some 'bipartisanship'.

[Link: www.newsmax.com...]

yup ,, working hand in hand ,,, OOOPPPSSS!

343 Digital Display  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 4:43:43pm

re: #326 Shug

heh.
This is the same fed govt that couldn't even evacuate a few thousand folks from New Orleans. Poor Alex. He's batshit crazy

but then again, this is also the same govt that was able to secretly rig both towers of the WTC with controlled demolitions
/

Pretty Crazy that no security Guards ever saw people drilling holes in the walls and placing bombs with thousands of miles of wiring in the Twin Towers..
Maybe the Guards were paid off by the Joos..
/

344 coquimbojoe  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 4:44:25pm

re: #330 iceweasel

Frankly, I see it as another instance of IOKIYAR. : "It's okay if you're a republican."

If this had been a Code Pink protester at a Bush event people here would never have defended it, never.

I disagree, I think many of us would say 'sure its their right, but it proves that they're jackasses'.

345 Diego  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 4:44:38pm

re: #337 Racer X

America is broke. We cannot afford "health care reform" right now.

The way I see it, we can't afford not to.

346 coquimbojoe  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 4:45:13pm

re: #339 Killgore Trout

It's becoming a disturbingly common theme on the right that Obama is forcing the people on the right to rise up and revolt. I think it's just a way of deflecting the blame of possible terrorist attacks against the government.

So, I should stop making torches and sharpening my pitchfork?

347 LGoPs  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 4:45:19pm

re: #332 unrealizedviewpoint

Walter your debating with a dolt.

No, he is arguing with an extraterrestrial. One who thinks that Obama coddles the GOP.
This is high comedy.

348 Shug  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 4:45:27pm

re: #339 Killgore Trout

It's becoming a disturbingly common theme on the right that Obama is forcing the people on the right to rise up and revolt. I think it's just a way of deflecting the blame of possible terrorist attacks against the government.


Hopefully the 99.999% of us on the right who aren't batshit crazy will report the crazies when we see them.

I think that includes reporting shit posted on the freeper site and similar sites.
Most of these violent nuts nowadays sort of telegraph their insanity on the web.
We all need to report them when we encounter them

349 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 4:46:26pm

OK calmed down now a bit. I hate the slur that I somehow hate Christians as much as the comparison to the antisemites.

Here is what I wrote. I have nothing but respect for Christians.

Now as to the Jesus freaks (which is a purposefully pejorative label that I use to distinguish them from the kind, and decent folks known as Christians) and the Paulinas and the nirthers and the deathers and the gun toting folks, the moronic convergence is all based on fear of losing power and position.

Please let me define Jesus Freak so that my real points do not get lost in quibbling over that phrase. Jesus Freaks are your anti-evolution, think it is ok to bomb abortion clinics, think that gay marriage is a bigger threat to marriage than heterosexual divorce rates, love the death penalty types.
They are strongly correlated with notions of white supremacy, but there is an overlap there, rather than a definition. Also, to prevent useless quibbling about the phrase Jesus freak, there are also psycho-Orthodox Jews and there are also Jihadis.

I then went on to say,

As to the term Jesus freak, let's just speak plainly.

While not a Christian, myself, I have great respect for Christianity and I have read the NT and Augustine and Aquinas amongst many others.

I can not speak with authority about this, but I get the very strong impression that Jesus, was very into non-violence and forgiveness. He was also very into acting with conscience and thoughtfulness. He was very, very into not abusing power.

Therefore any "Christian" who does not support such notions is not a Christian, but rather a fanatic who freakishly perverts the teachings of Christ to justify their own base fears and violent urges.

I went on to compare this to "the perversion of Torah that is Naturei Carta.

I refuse to be slandered. I was bashing no Christian.

As to the whole anti-zionist comparison thing, it was clearly just an attempt to piss me off, and IT DID.

Walter, you are a contemptible liar. You were purposefully insulting, and I do thoroughly despise you for it.

350 El fantasma de General Pinochet  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 4:46:44pm

Obama no abrazó a Hugo, sino le dio un " bro" apretón de manos.

351 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 4:46:46pm

re: #345 Diego

The way I see it, we can't afford not to.

We have a debt of a bagazillion dollars, and we can't afford not to add more to it?

352 Diego  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 4:46:53pm

Actually, I'm discussing issues with people on a website, but insult me and call me names more if it makes you feel better or more 'right' in your stance if you like. Harms me not at all.

353 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 4:47:00pm

re: #327 Diego

Again, I see no control. I see lots of options.

I have not seen how a public insurance option will 'conrtol my day-to-day life', as you claimed.

Evidently I was talking about your day-to-day health care, which you realized. I would imagine that you understood that I was not inferring
that the government would be telling you how to pee and when to change your undies.

Of course you can have coverage that is not considered adequate, but you will pay 2.5 percent of adjusted gross income as a penalty. If you don't find the fact that the feds will be deciding what is adequate for the whole health industry, for you, for me, for anyone who wants a health care policy, private or otherwise, than I have a few old socialist for you to talk to.

See... Fact Check...

Claim: Page 167: Any individual who doesn’t have acceptable health care (according to the government) will be taxed 2.5% of income.

True. This is the mechanism in the bill to enforce the individual mandate requiring everyone to have insurance. A person who doesn’t have insurance that meets minimum benefit standards (or other acceptable coverage, such as a plan that was grandfathered in) would pay a penalty of 2.5 percent of modified adjusted gross income for the year. The total penalty can’t exceed a national average premium for individual coverage, or family coverage if applicable.

[Link: factcheck.org...]

And if you want me to start posting all the DETAILS from the proposed bill, I will.

An aside. Have you read it?

354 BARACK THE VOTE  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 4:47:08pm

re: #328 VioletTiger

Ice, they don't NEED a signle GOP vote.
If this is so great, they can do it on their own. In fact, there have been several Dems who have suggested they will do just that.

Will you argue that they really want to be bipartisan, or are they reluctant do this on their own?

Both. I'm one of those people on the left who wants to pull them further left-- They want to be bipartisan, and they want some asscovering as well. Bear in mind that I hate the Dems only slightly less than I do the Repubs.

The other problem is the Blue Dogs running in conservative districts, who like their power and want to maintain it. They also enjoy being the 'swing' vote as it were. Gives them a lot of power. They get more power by playing that game rather than allying themselves with the Dems as a voting bloc.

Politics, politics.

355 Shiplord Kirel  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 4:47:19pm

re: #305 Charles

I was pretty astounded (and NOT in a good way) at how many LGF commenters tried to defend Broughton and his group.

Can't dig up a link just now but there were in fact posters at Free Republic urging people to take their guns to townhall meetings; I guess in case armed communards showed up or Cuban paratroopers dropped in or something like that.

356 coquimbojoe  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 4:47:34pm

re: #345 Diego

The way I see it, we can't afford not to.

re: #328 VioletTiger

Ice, they don't NEED a signle GOP vote.
If this is so great, they can do it on their own. In fact, there have been several Dems who have suggested they will do just that.

Will you argue that they really want to be bipartisan, or are they reluctant do this on their own?

Xactly. If it is so damn great, do it yourselves and rightfully hog the glory. I am happy the GOP is not giving them cover on this (yet).

357 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 4:47:40pm

re: #353 Walter L. Newton

LIke the fact that Mussolini was a leftist?

358 debutaunt  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 4:47:51pm

re: #345 Diego

The way I see it, we can't afford not to.

Well great - Let's go so far in debt that we'll never get out. My household and business budget could never do that.

359 Diego  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 4:48:04pm

re: #351 Emmmieg

We have a debt of a bagazillion dollars, and we can't afford not to add more to it?

We're 'adding more to it' whether there is reform or not. With reform, we're adding less.

360 snowcrash  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 4:48:22pm

re: #341 Shug
What about the code pink woman with "blood on her hands" who got up in Condi's face during a session of Congress? That was pretty bad IMO.

361 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 4:48:37pm

re: #332 unrealizedviewpoint

Walter your debating with a dolt.

I thought it was a Barker (anyone know the reference).

362 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 4:48:37pm

re: #353 Walter L. Newton

An aside. Have you read it?

An aside, can you read?

363 Ayeless in Ghazi  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 4:48:49pm

Early start for me tomorrow. Night folks :)

364 jaunte  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 4:48:50pm

re: #357 Ludwigvanquixote

Didn't he start out as a socialist before he became a fascist?

365 coquimbojoe  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 4:49:05pm

re: #350 El fantasma de General Pinochet

Obama no abrazó a Hugo, sino le dio un " bro" apretón de manos.

Oye vo, vivi en Chile debajo 'el huaso' Pinochet. Eres de Chile?

366 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 4:49:07pm

re: #343 HoosierHoops

Pretty Crazy that no security Guards ever saw people drilling holes in the walls and placing bombs with thousands of miles of wiring in the Twin Towers..
Maybe the Guards were paid off by the Joos..
/

You can't use the word "Joos" here, you may offend someone.
/

367 VioletTiger  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 4:49:25pm

Later lizards.
Dinner bell.

368 sattv4u2  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 4:49:33pm

re: #351 Emmmieg

We have a debt of a bagazillion dollars, and we can't afford not to add more to it?

Ah c'mon ,,, a bagzilllion here, a bagzillion there. It's not like they're talking about REAL money!!

369 calcajun  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 4:49:54pm

re: #320 ArchangelMichael

Been dying to use it.

370 Shug  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 4:49:59pm

re: #362 Ludwigvanquixote

An aside, can you read?

Your Break = too short

371 Racer X  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 4:50:09pm

re: #352 Diego

Actually, I'm discussing issues with people on a website, but insult me and call me names more if it makes you feel better or more 'right' in your stance if you like. Harms me not at all.

*hands Diego a tissue*

372 LGoPs  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 4:50:13pm

re: #352 Diego

Actually, I'm discussing issues with people on a website, but insult me and call me names more if it makes you feel better or more 'right' in your stance if you like. Harms me not at all.

OK. You have a funny nose
/

373 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 4:50:13pm

re: #362 Ludwigvanquixote

An aside, can you read?

Yawn. What's good for the goose is certainly not good for the gander. You can dish it out all day, but you are really thinned skinned when it comes to a little lively debate.

374 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 4:50:18pm

re: #364 jaunte

Didn't he start out as a socialist before he became a fascist?

Does it matter if Martin Luther started out as a Catholic monk?

Where he ended up is likely more important no?

375 Diego  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 4:50:21pm

re: #356 coquimbojoe

I am happy the GOP is not giving them cover on this

It's not about 'cover'. It's about trying to get the partys work together, as they should. In this, he is in no way 'far left'. Far left would have never tried to engage the GOP.

376 debutaunt  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 4:50:27pm

re: #359 Diego

We're 'adding more to it' whether there is reform or not. With reform, we're adding less.

I'm sure.

377 Lincolntf  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 4:50:45pm

How power-crazed are the radical Dems? They are so far gone (a least in the blue bastion of MA) that they can't even wait until January to plug another Liberal nutjob into the Senate.Teddy's seat up for grabs

378 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 4:50:50pm

re: #357 Ludwigvanquixote

LIke the fact that Mussolini was a leftist?

And I admitted to my mistake, didn't I?

379 coquimbojoe  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 4:51:08pm

re: #350 El fantasma de General Pinochet

Obama no abrazó a Hugo, sino le dio un " bro" apretón de manos.

El general no le cayeria bien ese fotito. Ambos de esos huevones no son capaz para guiar los negocios de un 7-11.

380 BARACK THE VOTE  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 4:51:14pm

Sorry folks-- late for my Politburo meeting. Rock on, Comrades!

381 Athos  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 4:51:30pm

re: #339 Killgore Trout

It's becoming a disturbingly common theme on the right that Obama is forcing the people on the right to rise up and revolt.

Particularly when those on the extreme right are calling for a violent revolution as opposed to actually developing a cogent vision for the country and articulating it to the independents and those of both parties who aren't ideologues and can be swayed by a better vision / direction / plan.

There is a reason why the fringe on both sides are the fringe. It is up to those in the center - including center left and center right - denounce the whackjobs on the fringe of both sides and work to starve them of the oxygen that they crave.

382 Racer X  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 4:51:32pm

re: #359 Diego

We're 'adding more to it' whether there is reform or not. With reform, we're adding less.

How so?

383 Shug  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 4:51:33pm

re: #377 Lincolntf

How power-crazed are the radical Dems? They are so far gone (a least in the blue bastion of MA) that they can't even wait until January to plug another Liberal nutjob into the Senate.Teddy's seat up for grabs


The Tom Delay in them is strong.

384 jaunte  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 4:51:46pm

re: #374 Ludwigvanquixote

I thought Walter was referring to Mussolini's early days when he made the original statement. Maybe not.

385 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 4:51:57pm

re: #359 Diego

We're 'adding more to it' whether there is reform or not. With reform, we're adding less.

I'm sorry, I'm not following this. Are you talking about Medicare reform--that is reform of the Medicare and it's current enrollments, or about adding millions more people?

If those millions have the money to pay for the insurance with their premiums, they could just pay for the health care now, since the sum of the premiums will have to equal the sum of the claims for the new public option to be economically neutral. Or, they will have to be subsidized with taxpayer funds, which will most likely happen through adding to the debt.

386 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 4:51:57pm

re: #374 Ludwigvanquixote

Does it matter if Martin Luther started out as a Catholic monk?

Where he ended up is likely more important no?

Luther was an anti-semite. One of the more influential of the Christians who rallied around anti-semitism.

387 coquimbojoe  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 4:52:41pm

re: #375 Diego

It's not about 'cover'. It's about trying to get the partys work together, as they should. In this, he is in no way 'far left'. Far left would have never tried to engage the GOP.

But if working together means passing something that gives more control over our lives to the government, which Obamacare does, then I hope the GOPers NEVER work with the dems on it.

388 calcajun  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 4:53:02pm

re: #380 iceweasel

Sorry folks-- late for my Politburo meeting. Rock on, Comrades!

That's right. Trotsky on off. If you stick around, we'll Beria.

(can't come up with anything for Dzerzhinsky, though)

389 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 4:53:12pm

re: #371 Racer X

*hands Diego a tissue*

We have a lot of progressives here today who are fine when they are dishing out all the snarky comments, but as soon as you push back a bit, whine, whine, whine.

390 FrogMarch  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 4:53:40pm

Sadly, there is no remedy. We live in a free society where saying irresponsible stupid stuff is allowed. Just so long as the freak(s) don't act on it or actually threaten the President.

391 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 4:53:45pm

re: #386 Walter L. Newton

Luther was an anti-semite. One of the more influential of the Christians who rallied around anti-semitism.

Luther pretended to be nice to the Jews in the beginning, thinking that once he "fixed" the Catholic church, the Jews would come flocking to his new religion. When they didn't, he went apeshit.

Mohammed was the same.

392 Achilles Tang  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 4:53:48pm

re: #303 TheMatrix31

You mean to tell me that you think that with a socialized healthcare system in place, you'll still be free to operate as you do today?

Ok.

Listen to yourself, please. This is a perfect example of not discussing the issue, just cry "socialism" and pretend that everything is hunky dory as is.

What do you mean by operate as you do today?
Being able to go only to doctors authorized by your insurance company? Having to accept what insurance companies say they will pay for, regardless of what a doctor may recommend?
Choose your doctor/surgeon/hospital while in an ambulance?
Accept that you will be denied treatment for conditions they determine are pre existing regardless of that simply being a somewhat higher risk than someone else?
Be charged twice what someone else is charged, if you don't have the right coverage, or any coverage?
Be denied any insurance for any reason, without appeal?
And lastly, if you can't afford insurance, be treated because fellow Americans will still pay for it, but on a rationed basis?

393 Digital Display  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 4:53:55pm

re: #350 El fantasma de General Pinochet

Obama no abrazó a Hugo, sino le dio un " bro" apretón de manos.

I swear if you start posting in perfect English next week...I'm going to trash you so bad...And if you can read this? Damn it! You are in so much trouble...
/

394 sattv4u2  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 4:54:08pm

re: #375 Diego

It's not about 'cover'. It's about trying to get the partys work together, as they should. In this, he is in no way 'far left'. Far left would have never tried to engage the GOP.

TRANSLATION

As long as you pass what I want passed, we'll all get along

If you do NOT vote for what I want, I'll just say that you're obstructionists!

395 Athos  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 4:54:20pm

re: #388 calcajun

(can't come up with anything for Dzerzhinsky, though)

We'll lenin slide...this time.

396 Flyers1974  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 4:54:25pm

re: #276 Lincolntf

If someone had told you two years ago that Obama was such a radical Leftist that he'd take over GM, attempt to nationalize health care and embrace Hugo Chavez, you'd have probably called them paranoid.
Now, not so much.

True - but whether or not these decisions prove ultimately correct, they were responses to a pretty bad and unpredictible economic situation (with some old fashioned politics thrown in as well, i.e., GM.) Other than the healthcare issue, I think a moderate Republican president would have made most of the same moves as Obama. And most of his foreign policy moves (or lack thereof) were safe no-brainers, i.e., Iran, N. Korea.

397 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 4:54:35pm

re: #384 jaunte

I thought Walter was referring to Mussolini's early days when he made the original statement. Maybe not.

I was, but Ludwig is right, I was trying to take some historical facts further than history took them.

I admitted to my mistake, I normally do, most people here know me to be honest (and feisty).

398 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 4:54:37pm

re: #352 Diego

Actually, I'm discussing issues with people on a website, but insult me and call me names more if it makes you feel better or more 'right' in your stance if you like. Harms me not at all.

Butthurt much?

399 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 4:55:11pm

Get to go play chauffeur. BBIAB

400 Racer X  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 4:55:24pm

re: #389 Walter L. Newton

We have a lot of progressives here today who are fine when they are dishing out all the snarky comments, but as soon as you push back a bit, whine, whine, whine.

No shit!

I am not surprised.

You gotta have thick skin to be a Lizard.

401 Diego  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 4:55:28pm

re: #398 Alouette

Butthurt much?

No, not at all. Yours?

402 El fantasma de General Pinochet  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 4:55:40pm

re: #379 coquimbojoe

El general no le cayeria bien ese fotito. Ambos de esos huevones no son capaz para guiar los negocios de un 7-11.

Si. Obama necesita hablar con el mismo " Chicago Boys" que lo hice. Él aprendería quizá algo.

403 lawhawk  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 4:55:55pm

re: #375 Diego

It's not about 'cover'. It's about trying to get the partys work together, as they should. In this, he is in no way 'far left'. Far left would have never tried to engage the GOP.

No, Obama knows that he can't pass this if the blue dogs bolt - as they must if they want to hold onto their seats in 2010. It's all about the politics, which is why Obama has to at least do some outreach to the liberal GOPers in Congress - because he needs some of them to vote for Obamacare when his Blue Dogs don't. He's not engaging the far right, but going after the Olympia Snowes, Susan Collins, and the John McCains. Not the right wingers in the Senate.

Obama is playing politics, and he's also doing the math better than Pelosi and Reid.

404 callahan23  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 4:56:16pm

re: #400 Racer X

No shit!

I am not surprised.

You gotta have thick skin to be a Lizard.

Scaly skin.

405 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 4:56:33pm

re: #391 Alouette

Luther pretended to be nice to the Jews in the beginning, thinking that once he "fixed" the Catholic church, the Jews would come flocking to his new religion. When they didn't, he went apeshit.

Mohammed was the same.

And this anti-semitism (as I have pointed out before) was prevalent in the Christian Church for over 1500 years. It didn't start with the Nazi's, and it hasn't stopped. although there is certainly a better awareness of it.

406 Racer X  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 4:56:47pm

re: #394 sattv4u2

TRANSLATION

As long as you pass what I want passed, we'll all get along

If you do NOT vote for what I want, I'll just say that you're obstructionists!

That my friends is the definition of bipartisanship, according to the left.

407 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 4:57:06pm

re: #378 Walter L. Newton

And I admitted to my mistake, didn't I?

No you caved into Charles pointing out that he doesn't like historical revisionism. Before that you were lecturing me on how much of "European History 101" for being perplexed that you were actually saying something that daft.

This is no different than you supposed scientific expertise turned to "I don't know anything about this" defense to Coracle when he verified that the list you brought of supposed anti AGW papers was not saying what you thought it did.

Now let's be clear, I don't think you are a racist. Rather, I think you are credulous fool who believes his nonsense firmly until it is throughly called by sufficient authority that you fear for your popularity. Then the courage of your convictions shows.

408 Digital Display  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 4:57:13pm

re: #405 Walter L. Newton

And this anti-semitism (as I have pointed out before) was prevalent in the Christian Church for over 1500 years. It didn't start with the Nazi's, and it hasn't stopped. although there is certainly a better awareness of it.

Mel Gibson

409 Diego  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 4:57:25pm

re: #403 lawhawk

He's not engaging the far right, but going after the Olympia Snowes, Susan Collins, and the John McCains. Not the right wingers in the Senate.

So, they have had no input, and made no changes, to the legislation he's pushed through? You really believe this?

410 coquimbojoe  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 4:57:58pm

re: #402 El fantasma de General Pinochet

Si. Obama necesita hablar con el mismo " Chicago Boys" que lo hice. Él aprendería quizá algo.

Excelente, siento lo mismo. Pero tu te olvidas, ya habla Obama con unos Chicago Boys cada dia, pero los k son comunachos y no capitalistas.

411 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 4:58:21pm

re: #15 Killgore Trout

Google 4409 and FreedomsPhoenix. Spooky stuff.
It's weird that a black guy would get involved in these groups but this stuff happens sometimes. Jews oppose Israel, Gay preachers run homophobic churches, etc.

Usually, in those cases, though, you're told you can be 'just like everyone else' by holding certain beliefs, or acting in certain ways.

Most white supremacists I know about don't agree that black people can be their equals if they have certain beliefs.

412 Lincolntf  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 4:58:21pm

re: #409 Diego

He won.

413 callahan23  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 4:59:00pm

re: #405 Walter L. Newton

And this anti-semitism (as I have pointed out before) was prevalent in the Christian Church for over 1500 years. It didn't start with the Nazi's, and it hasn't stopped. although there is certainly a better awareness of it.

Hugo Chavez.

414 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 4:59:20pm

re: #408 HoosierHoops

Mel Gibson

Good example. Of course, you know yourself what logic comes next. "Oh, well those were not real Christians."

Sorry folks, anti-semitism was one the job-one list of the Christian Church for about 1500 or more years, and if it had been snuffed well before the last century, the Holocaust may have never happened.

It lays firmly in the lap of the Christian Church. Yes, real Christians.

415 unrealizedviewpoint  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 4:59:21pm

re: #327 Diego


Sorry for referring to you as a dolt. But when I read this:

I believe the 8% figure is for businesses with $500,000+/yr payrole which do not provide coverage. Businesses providing coverage penny up, are you saying if a business decides not to they should just be let off?

...I just couldn't help myself. $500K?
A 4 man operation has a payroll of $500K. Yeah, I think they should be let off.

416 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 4:59:40pm

re: #407 Ludwigvanquixote

No you caved into Charles pointing out that he doesn't like historical revisionism. Before that you were lecturing me on how much of "European History 101" for being perplexed that you were actually saying something that daft.

This is no different than you supposed scientific expertise turned to "I don't know anything about this" defense to Coracle when he verified that the list you brought of supposed anti AGW papers was not saying what you thought it did.

Now let's be clear, I don't think you are a racist. Rather, I think you are credulous fool who believes his nonsense firmly until it is throughly called by sufficient authority that you fear for your popularity. Then the courage of your convictions shows.

You can't stop can you. Enjoy.

Yawn.

417 coquimbojoe  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 4:59:49pm

re: #402 El fantasma de General Pinochet

Si. Obama necesita hablar con el mismo " Chicago Boys" que lo hice. Él aprendería quizá algo.

O tal vez al re-leer lo, no estas olvidando a nada. Los mismos Chicago Boys le podrian ayudar mucho.

418 Racer X  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 5:00:13pm

Think about what would have happened if no one complained about the health care bill that was originally proposed. Many of our progressive friends have admitted it was crap.

419 ryannon  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 5:00:44pm

re: #378 Walter L. Newton

And I admitted to my mistake, didn't I?

Admit it then: it was a cat, not a gull.

420 Diego  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 5:00:45pm

re: #412 Lincolntf

He won.

He also engaged the GOP. He didn't have to. He's not actually had a bad word to say about any of them, though he's certainly taken abuse, and disgraceful lies, from them at every turn.

Yep, that sure sounds 'far left' to me..

421 coquimbojoe  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 5:00:53pm

re: #418 Racer X

Think about what would have happened if no one complained about the health care bill that was originally proposed. Many of our progressive friends have admitted it was crap.

Have you seen Trixie naked lately?

/just askin'...

422 Shiplord Kirel  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 5:01:04pm

My notion of what constitutes "far left" is influenced to some degree by personal experience: I was an eyewitness to the 1968 Chicago convention riots. My parents were serious Dems and my mom was a delegate. I was too young to vote at the time (19) but I was already backing Nixon and the GOP. Even so, as a hirsute teenager, I knew better than to get out on the streets. I could have worn my Nixon button to ward off a beating from the cops but in that case, the Vietcong sympathizers would have beaten me. They really were VC sympathizers, btw, flags and all.

423 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 5:01:10pm

re: #386 Walter L. Newton

Luther was an anti-semite. One of the more influential of the Christians who rallied around anti-semitism.

Yes that is true and ireelavent to the fact that you come out with insane claims and then go over the top insulting people only to try to slink away. Nice dodge Walter, I don't care. Let's talk about all of the time you have lied and said stupid stuff here only to cower when called on it.

You should not have tried to argue that I bash Christians and you should not have even compared my to my enemies.

Right now I am focused on you Walter. That's what you wanted right, so let's talk about all of the times you have been a little slinking snake.

424 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 5:01:28pm

re: #27 Pianobuff

Here's an essay from his church site titled "What's Wrong with Male Gynecologists".

Lord. Delivering a woman's baby is 'indecent involvement'?

425 coquimbojoe  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 5:01:54pm

re: #420 Diego

He also engaged the GOP. He didn't have to. He's not actually had a bad word to say about any of them, though he's certainly taken abuse, and disgraceful lies, from them at every turn.

Yep, that sure sounds 'far left' to me..

In what universe has he engaged the GOP? really, where? Bush engaged too much for many. Obama has not shown any propensity to engage.

426 TheMatrix31  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 5:01:54pm

Let's go Houston Texans!

427 sattv4u2  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 5:02:00pm

re: #409 Diego

So, they have had no input, and made no changes, to the legislation he's pushed through? You really believe this?

Nahh ,,, the repubs were instrumental and their views highly prized from day one

[Link: blogs.chron.com...]

oopppsss,,, maybe not!

428 Racer X  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 5:02:21pm

re: #421 coquimbojoe

Have you seen Trixie naked lately?

/just askin'...

Ixnay on the rixietray!

Speed might be reading.

429 Achilles Tang  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 5:02:44pm

re: #423 Ludwigvanquixote

Cool it Ludwig. You are starting to sound like everything you accuse Walter of. Can't you guys exchange emails and take it outside?

430 calcajun  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 5:02:59pm

re: #395 Athos

We'll lenin slide...this time.

Andropov my cleaning while your at it!

431 Shug  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 5:03:10pm

Sweet. Laura Ingraham is subbing for O'Reilly tonight.
I love that woman

432 Digital Display  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 5:03:12pm

re: #426 TheMatrix31

Let's go Houston Texans!

They are in the Colts division! How dare you!
*wink*

433 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 5:03:21pm

re: #418 Racer X

Think about what would have happened if no one complained about the health care bill that was originally proposed. Many of our progressive friends have admitted it was crap.

Yes they have, and some, for different reasons than conservatives. I have seen on other forums progressives complaing that the bill doesn't go far enought.

And remember, we now know something went on between Obama and the big drug companies.

I've said it over and over, our political system has become the home of mainly plutocrats and kleptocrats, and none of them are really working for us, in any sort of way.

We would be best served if we got the whole bunch of them out of office over the next few years, The status quo will not work. They stopped working for us a long time ago.

434 El fantasma de General Pinochet  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 5:03:27pm

re: #410 coquimbojoe

Obama me recuerda alguien. ¿Puede usted conjeturar quién?

435 Lincolntf  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 5:03:45pm

re: #418 Racer X

And that's what really gets their goat. All of the protests/town halls resulted from the insistence of Obama and the Dems that HC-reform must be passed right away or there'd be some catastrophe.
Once that ruse failed, they were stuck defending a thousand pages of power-grabbing partisan piffle that offered no solutions but added mightily to the deficit. They can't even win their own Party over to their side, why do they expect Republicans to support them?

436 calcajun  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 5:03:53pm

re: #431 Shug

She's a bit shrill for my tastes.

437 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 5:04:03pm

re: #429 Naso Tang

Cool it Ludwig. You are starting to sound like everything you accuse Walter of. Can't you guys exchange emails and take it outside?

Very well, you have a point. I am still clearly angry.

But no, I have no desire to correspond with him.

I'll just pretend he isn't here.

438 Flyers1974  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 5:04:06pm

re: #406 Racer X

That my friends is the definition of bipartisanship, according to the left.

Isn't the whole bipartisan thing nonsense anyway - meaning the only time either party "reaches out" or "extends a hand across the aisle" is when political reality necessitates it. No one takes the other side into consideration out of kindness or fairness.

439 TheMatrix31  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 5:04:11pm

re: #432 HoosierHoops

They are in the Colts division! How dare you!
*wink*

I really wish the Colts werent in the South. I love them, always have.

Fuck the Titans and Jacksoffville, though.

440 coquimbojoe  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 5:04:12pm

re: #428 Racer X

Ixnay on the rixietray!

Speed might be reading.

The secret is out. Speed and that bear of a mechanic... they have been together for years. Trixie's Speed's beard.

441 Diego  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 5:04:29pm

If Obama isn't engaging the GOP then who got him to reduce the stimulus and who is holding HCR up in the senate finance committee?

442 lawhawk  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 5:04:38pm

re: #409 Diego

So, they have had no input, and made no changes, to the legislation he's pushed through? You really believe this?

Who's the they you're referring to? The GOPers I've mentioned? He's going to try and sweeten a bill to get them on board, which is run of the mill politics, but has to carry out a balancing act to keep his lefties in Congress happy - because they are threatening to vote against unless their extremist views aren't satiated.

But the GOP in general has had absolutely no input in the Obamacare. That's how Pelosi and Reid have run things. It's what happens when you run a filibuster proof majority where you don't need the minority to get anything done.

So, the Democrats can and do own this mess.

443 Neutral President  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 5:04:39pm

re: #430 calcajun

Andropov my cleaning while your at it!

I've been Stalin doing that myself for some time.

444 reine.de.tout  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 5:04:46pm

re: #398 Alouette

Butthurt much?

ew!
I still do not like that expression.
But you could offer him a band-aid.

445 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 5:04:49pm

re: #72 Buster

So you don't believe in the right to arm bears?

The right to arm bears is not enumerated in the Constitution, so I figure it must be regulated state by state.

446 Shug  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 5:05:07pm

re: #436 calcajun

She's a bit shrill for my tastes.

She is shrill...but a lot less than my ex wife

447 sattv4u2  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 5:05:14pm

re: #429 Naso Tang

Cool it Ludwig. You are starting to sound like everything you accuse Walter of. Can't you guys exchange emails and take it outside?


If history is any judge, there;s a "fuck off" in your future!

448 coquimbojoe  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 5:05:31pm

re: #434 El fantasma de General Pinochet

Obama me recuerda alguien. ¿Puede usted conjeturar quién?

A... hmmm Al... o sea... Allend... Chuta, quien puede ser...?

449 Killian Bundy  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 5:06:11pm

re: #420 Diego

He also engaged the GOP. He didn't have to.

/gee, I seem to remember Obama was pretty adamant about cramming the health care bill through in two weeks, before the end of August, before anyone could even read it

450 El fantasma de General Pinochet  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 5:06:26pm

re: #393 HoosierHoops

Puedo leerlo. Como un francés, prefiero hablar la lengua de mi patria.

451 TheMatrix31  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 5:07:23pm

...FML.

452 Racer X  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 5:07:23pm

re: #435 Lincolntf

And that's what really gets their goat. All of the protests/town halls resulted from the insistence of Obama and the Dems that HC-reform must be passed right away or there'd be some catastrophe.
Once that ruse failed, they were stuck defending a thousand pages of power-grabbing partisan piffle that offered no solutions but added mightily to the deficit. They can't even win their own Party over to their side, why do they expect Republicans to support them?

Broken promise #234: Allow five days of public comment before signing bills, AND No. 517: Negotiate health care reform in public sessions televised on C-SPAN

h/t Ice

453 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 5:07:28pm

re: #447 sattv4u2

If history is any judge, there;s a "fuck off" in your future!

NO he's a good guy.

454 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 5:07:30pm

re: #419 ryannon

Admit it then: it was a cat, not a gull.

You're right, please, I lie awake at night, agonizing over my mistake and I was wondering where you were. I'm glad you came out of the closet long enough for me to tell you... yes it was a CAT.

455 Digital Display  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 5:07:34pm

re: #439 TheMatrix31

I really wish the Colts werent in the South. I love them, always have.

Fuck the Titans and Jacksoffville, though.

Maybe The texans will teach Farve that football is a young mans sport..
Whoops..1st play of the game TD...Never mind

456 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 5:07:39pm

re: #82 MandyManners

But, how do you explain it? Extreme self-hatred?

Neturei Karta grows out of a conflict within the Jewish community, and there are other staunch anti-Zionist groups within the Chassidim, although none of them are quite so out there as NK.

The Vlaams Belang types? I think it's fear, and a refusal to acknowledge that Jewish history applies to you.

457 Shug  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 5:07:43pm

re: #451 TheMatrix31

...FML.

por que?

458 Diego  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 5:07:47pm

re: #449 Killian Bundy

gee, I seem to remember Obama was pretty adamant about cramming the health care bill through in two weeks, before the end of August, before anyone could even read it

And yet there it sits in the Senate finance committee and yet still Obama tries to engage Grassley.

459 Dekar  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 5:07:51pm

re: #5 Charles

The group he's part of, 4409, openly espouses white supremacism.

Has anyone seen the first episode of The Chappelle Show?

460 Killian Bundy  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 5:07:56pm

re: #426 TheMatrix31

Let's go Houston Texans!

/see if you can catch Adrian Peterson

461 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 5:07:59pm

re: #437 Ludwigvanquixote

Very well, you have a point. I am still clearly angry.

But no, I have no desire to correspond with him.

I'll just pretend he isn't here.

Thank G-d.

462 TheMatrix31  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 5:08:11pm

...did I change LGF language to Spanish or something?

463 coquimbojoe  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 5:08:34pm

re: #462 TheMatrix31

...did I change LGF language to Spanish or something?

Si.

464 sattv4u2  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 5:08:49pm

re: #453 Ludwigvanquixote

NO he's a good guy.

So was Walter until he disagreed with you
So was I until I disagreed with you

NEXT ,.,,, NOW SERVING #3 !!!

465 TheMatrix31  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 5:08:52pm

re: #457 Shug

Adrian Peterson 75 yards to the house, first play from scrimmage.

466 FrogMarch  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 5:09:01pm

ot --
The photo of Los Angeles on Drudge is really depressing (& amazing and frightening). I hope you have your ventilator on, Charles.

Here in CO it's been hazy all day. I don't know if it's haze from the fire smoke?/ or just haze in general.

467 Dekar  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 5:09:21pm

re: #459 Dekar

Has anyone seen the first episode of The Chappelle Show?

Nevermind... this was mentioned already lol

468 snowcrash  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 5:09:26pm

re: #444 reine.de.tout
Not a fan myself. Also do not like buttboy as substitute for brown noser. And about that loud thumpin' rap music... lol I am getting cranky and old.

469 Digital Display  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 5:09:30pm

re: #462 TheMatrix31

...did I change LGF language to Spanish or something?

I wish that dude would post in french or something. At least I could understand half what he says...

470 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 5:09:35pm

re: #460 Killian Bundy

/see if you can catch Adrian Peterson

I was looking forward to watching Mr. Peterson this year. Then? Some state went and sent Al Franken to the Senate.

I wish limited success to Mr. Peterson this year.

471 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 5:09:41pm

re: #437 Ludwigvanquixote

Very well, you have a point. I am still clearly angry.

But no, I have no desire to correspond with him.

I'll just pretend he isn't here.

And you can always click on my name and get my email address, and phone number and any other personal info you may need. I have no problem conversing with you.

472 coquimbojoe  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 5:09:49pm

re: #466 FrogMarch

ot --
The photo of Los Angeles on Drudge is really depressing (& amazing and frightening). I hope you have your ventilator on, Charles.

Here in CO it's been hazy all day. I don't know if it's haze from the fire smoke?/ or just haze in general.

We are choking on the smoke. the other night i could see the strip from Henderson here in Vegas.

473 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 5:09:54pm

re: #465 TheMatrix31

Adrian Peterson 75 yards to the house, first play from scrimmage.

Well. Then.

Ugh.

474 Racer X  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 5:09:57pm

re: #442 lawhawk

Who's the they you're referring to? The GOPers I've mentioned? He's going to try and sweeten a bill to get them on board, which is run of the mill politics, but has to carry out a balancing act to keep his lefties in Congress happy - because they are threatening to vote against unless their extremist views aren't satiated.

But the GOP in general has had absolutely no input in the Obamacare. That's how Pelosi and Reid have run things. It's what happens when you run a filibuster proof majority where you don't need the minority to get anything done.

So, the Democrats can and do own this mess.

Obama did not have this health care bill in his pocket. Nancy and Harry have been sitting on this thing for years. It is their wet dream list.

475 Shug  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 5:10:06pm

Preseason is bullshit.
I might remind everybody that the Detroit Lions had a 4-16 record last year.

Undefeated in the preseason !

476 Neutral President  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 5:10:14pm

re: #456 SanFranciscoZionist

Neturei Karta grows out of a conflict within the Jewish community, and there are other staunch anti-Zionist groups within the Chassidim, although none of them are quite so out there as NK.

The Vlaams Belang types? I think it's fear, and a refusal to acknowledge that Jewish history applies to you.

I thought maybe they are buying the "we don't hate teh jooos now, just those GD Arabs!" lies that VB has been telling in their attempt to mainstream themselves.

477 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 5:10:25pm

re: #464 sattv4u2

So was Walter until he disagreed with you
So was I until I disagreed with you

NEXT ,.,,, NOW SERVING #3 !!!

NO, you see, Naso was trying to prevent conflict. You are trying to stir it up.

There is a bit of a difference.

478 sattv4u2  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 5:10:37pm

re: #462 TheMatrix31

...did I change LGF language to Spanish or something?

You forgot to PRESS 1 FOR ENGLISH!

479 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 5:11:04pm

re: #464 sattv4u2

So was Walter until he disagreed with you
So was I until I disagreed with you

NEXT ,.,,, NOW SERVING #3 !!!

It's amazing how transparent some people are.

480 reine.de.tout  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 5:11:11pm

re: #468 snowcrash

Not a fan myself. Also do not like buttboy as substitute for brown noser. And about that loud thumpin' rap music... lol I am getting cranky and old.

Well - I would say you are discerning and have good taste.

481 TheMatrix31  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 5:11:14pm

re: #475 Shug

Preseason is bullshit.
I might remind everybody that the Detroit Lions had a 4-16 record last year.

Undefeated in the preseason !

I know, but it's scary since the D is what we need to work on.

482 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 5:11:34pm

re: #467 Dekar

I did the same thing. No harm. No foul.

483 Diego  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 5:11:50pm

When does Glen Beck say we'll be forced to speak 'Spanglish' again? I gotget the dates..

484 ryannon  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 5:11:55pm

re: #454 Walter L. Newton

You're right, please, I lie awake at night, agonizing over my mistake and I was wondering where you were. I'm glad you came out of the closet long enough for me to tell you... yes it was a CAT.

Graceful, as ever.
But I'm not in a closet. I just leave the field open to the heavy hitters such as yourself.

485 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 5:12:10pm

re: #482 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I did the same thing. No harm. No foul.

Hey, I have a question that I haven't asked in a while, hows the smoke thing?

486 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 5:12:11pm

re: #479 Walter L. Newton

It's amazing how transparent some people are.

Walter, please don't make it harder for me to ignore you.

487 FrogMarch  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 5:12:20pm

re: #472 coquimbojoe

We are choking on the smoke. the other night i could see the strip from Henderson here in Vegas.

eee gads. Fire smoke is the worst. Is that hurricane going to swirl up to LA? I hope so.

488 sattv4u2  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 5:12:40pm

re: #477 Ludwigvanquixote

NO, you see, Naso was trying to prevent conflict. You are trying to stir it up.

There is a bit of a difference.

Yup ,, like all those times I told someone I was a black belt,, and all those times I told someone to FUCK OFF
Thats me ,, the ole stirrer upper!

/

489 coquimbojoe  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 5:12:41pm

re: #483 Diego

When does Glen Beck say we'll be forced to speak 'Spanglish' again? I gotget the dates..

Ahora, poh, huevon. Ya hay k hablar Spanglish ahora.

490 El fantasma de General Pinochet  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 5:12:48pm

re: #469 HoosierHoops

Si usted quiere leer lo que digo, Babelfish es su amigo.
¡Rima!
¡Soy poeta, como ese Neruda híbrido comunista!

491 TheMatrix31  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 5:13:09pm

re: #483 Diego

We already speak that in California.

492 Killgore Trout  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 5:13:38pm

Conservatives become the LLL...
George Will calls for pull-out

George F. Will, the elite conservative commentator, will call in his next column for U.S. ground troops to leave Afghanistan, according to publishing sources.
...
In the column, Will warns that any nation-building strategy could be impossible to execute given the Taliban’s ability to seemingly disappear into the rugged mountain terrain and the lack of economic development in the war-plagued nation.

Transformation complete.

493 Killian Bundy  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 5:13:38pm

re: #441 Diego

If Obama isn't engaging the GOP then who got him to reduce the stimulus and who is holding HCR up in the senate finance committee?

Reduced the stimulus, on what planet did this take place?

/last time I checked, Democrats hold a majority on all congressional committees so if there's any "holding up" of anything, it's by them

494 coquimbojoe  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 5:13:41pm

re: #490 El fantasma de General Pinochet

De k parte de Chile eres?

495 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 5:14:02pm

re: #485 Walter L. Newton

Great. Thank you.

Again... Screw the children.

496 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 5:14:28pm

re: #484 ryannon

Graceful, as ever.
But I'm not in a closet. I just leave the field open to the heavy hitters such as yourself.

LOL.

And I'm no more right all the time than most people. I've been here for what, five years, more, and I've learned a lot, and when I make a mistake, or get called on one, I will apologize.

Yes, it was a cat... NOT.

497 lawhawk  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 5:14:33pm

re: #474 Racer X

Actually, I believe that Pelosi, Reid and Obama are running a version of the triangle offense. You can also call it bad cop, worse cop, and despicable cop.

In any event, they can play off each other and claim that they're taking out items that are controversial leaving the rest - knowing full well that it gives them what they've wanted - a way to completely revamp the health care delivery system in the country, even though most people don't even know how much any of this will cost.

498 pianobuff  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 5:14:34pm

re: #492 Killgore Trout

Conservatives become the LLL...
George Will calls for pull-out

Transformation complete.

Have you read the David Brooks article yet? That's a real lulu too.

499 snowcrash  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 5:14:48pm

re: #486 Ludwigvanquixote

Walter, please don't make it harder for me to ignore you.


Ludwig, the gazer must be strong and avoid temptation to engage!

500 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 5:14:49pm

re: #486 Ludwigvanquixote

Walter, please don't make it harder for me to ignore you.

It speaks all to you, doesn't it?

501 Shug  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 5:14:57pm

re: #488 sattv4u2

Yup ,, like all those times I told someone I was a black belt,, and all those times I told someone to FUCK OFF
Thats me ,, the ole stirrer upper!

/

owned

502 Diego  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 5:15:10pm

re: #493 Killian Bundy

Reduced the stimulus, on what planet did this take place?

Yes.


last time I checked, Democrats hold a majority on all congressional committees so if there's any "holding up" of anything, it's by them

3+3=majority for who?

503 Killgore Trout  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 5:15:20pm

re: #498 pianobuff

Have you read the David Brooks article yet?


Which one? I don't think so.

504 JCM  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 5:15:26pm

57% Would Like to Replace Entire Congress

While Democrats have become more supportive of the legislators, voters not affiliated with either major party have moved in the opposite direction. Today, 70% of those not affiliated with either major party would vote to replace all of the elected politicians in the House and Senate. That’s up from 62% last year.

Republicans, not surprisingly, overwhelmingly support replacing everyone in the Congress. Their views have not changed. But Republican voters are disenchanted with their team as much as the Congress itself: 69% of GOP Voters say Republicans in Congress are out of touch with the party base.

[]

Fifty-nine percent (59%) now believe that members of Congress are overpaid.

[]

One reason for this attitude may be that most voters say they understand the health care legislation better than Congress. Just 22% think the legislature has a good understanding of the issue. Three-out-of-four (74%) trust their own economic judgment more than Congress’.
505 El fantasma de General Pinochet  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 5:15:32pm

re: #494 coquimbojoe

El valle de fantasmas.

506 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 5:15:43pm

re: #488 sattv4u2

Yup ,, like all those times I told someone I was a black belt,, and all those times I told someone to FUCK OFF
Thats me ,, the ole stirrer upper!

/

Are you threatening me?

507 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 5:16:14pm

re: #504 JCM

57% Would Like to Replace Entire Congress

I can give that my vote.

508 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 5:16:24pm

re: #505 El fantasma de General Pinochet

Nothing personal, but, stop it. Please?

509 Athos  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 5:16:26pm

re: #466 FrogMarch

Been a rough 3 days in the Santa Clarita valley with very bad air quality from the Station fire. Smoke plume Saturday rose to over 20,000 ft altitude and visible from Fillmore area (about 45 miles to the west). Last night, the fire was visible from my home on the western rim of the Santa Clarita Valley.

antonovich.lacounty.gov...]>An interactive map for those seeking more info on the fire.>

510 Racer X  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 5:16:40pm

re: #492 Killgore Trout

Conservatives become the LLL...
George Will calls for pull-out

Transformation complete.

National Security Adviser: Obama Having Greater Success Taking Out Terrorists -- Than Bush!

Now it is complete.

511 calcajun  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 5:17:01pm

re: #488 sattv4u2

Thats me ,, the ole stirrer upper! /

Your washing machine is a more effective agitator than you are.//

512 callahan23  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 5:17:06pm

re: #504 JCM

57% Would Like to Replace Entire Congress

Couldn't they have voted differently instead ?

513 sattv4u2  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 5:17:28pm

re: #511 calcajun

Your washing machine is a more effective agitator than you are.//

and more fun!

514 jaunte  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 5:17:36pm
515 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 5:17:37pm

re: #488 sattv4u2

Yup ,, like all those times I told someone I was a black belt,, and all those times I told someone to FUCK OFF
Thats me ,, the ole stirrer upper!

/

So is there a reason you are currently provoking me?

Look, It was not my fault that your lack a science background rendered you credulous of certain propaganda sites.

It was my fault that I allowed your insistence on repeating anti-science talking points and generally provocative language to make me decide to give as good as I was getting.

As to Walter though, I do not compare you to him. You say some very smart things, and you never crossed the line of trying and succeeding to personally offend me.

516 coquimbojoe  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 5:17:44pm
517 calcajun  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 5:18:17pm

ah-- late night in the salt mines.

518 snowcrash  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 5:18:39pm

re: #514 jaunte
Got me!

519 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 5:18:53pm

Wow. How about that...

Report: Raiders coach Tom Cable punches, breaks jaw of assistant

An NFL coach reportedly punched an assistant in the face and broke his jaw.

520 callahan23  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 5:18:54pm

re: #514 jaunte

Are you threatening me?

Arrgh, you've RickRoll'D me ! !

521 El fantasma de General Pinochet  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 5:19:04pm

re: #494 coquimbojoe

Pero usted debe saber que nací en Valaparaiso.

522 LGoPs  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 5:19:09pm

re: #508 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Nothing personal, but, stop it. Please?

kjwysbq iAbABADH a

Hell, I can do that too. I'll just write in wingdings from now on...
/

523 Racer X  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 5:19:33pm

re: #488 sattv4u2

Yup ,, like all those times I told someone I was a black belt,, and all those times I told someone to FUCK OFF
Thats me ,, the ole stirrer upper!

/

Diamond Dave taught me everything I know.

524 Killian Bundy  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 5:19:35pm

re: #458 Diego

And yet there it sits in the Senate finance committee and yet still Obama tries to engage Grassley.

Why should any Republicans sign on to this piece of [expletive deleted] just to give Democrats political cover?

/if Democrats wants to pass government run health care, that's very unpopular with the American people, they have the votes and should just step up and own it, along with the repercussions

525 coquimbojoe  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 5:19:49pm

re: #521 El fantasma de General Pinochet

Pero usted debe saber que nací en Valaparaiso.

Vivi por los cerros Rodelillo y Esperanza.

526 JCM  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 5:19:52pm

re: #516 coquimbojoe

Best. News. Ever.

Problem comes in Nov. everyone counts on everyone else to throw their bastard out, they decided to keep theirs.

I made a point in this primary, no incumbent got my vote.

527 Syrah  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 5:19:58pm

re: #441 Diego

If Obama isn't engaging the GOP then who got him to reduce the stimulus and who is holding HCR up in the senate finance committee?

The Democrats have the overwhelming majorities in both houses.

He needs Democrat votes.

528 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 5:20:04pm

re: #414 Walter L. Newton

Good example. Of course, you know yourself what logic comes next. "Oh, well those were not real Christians."

Sorry folks, anti-semitism was one the job-one list of the Christian Church for about 1500 or more years, and if it had been snuffed well before the last century, the Holocaust may have never happened.

It lays firmly in the lap of the Christian Church. Yes, real Christians.

Evangelicals do a better job of suppressing anti-Semitism than other denominations. Oliver Cromwell (an evangelical or something similar) invited Jews back to Britain after they had been banned from living there for 400 years. But Cromwell never got around to actually repealing the edict that banned Jews from living in England, he just chose to not enforce it.

It was not officially repealed until the time of Queen Victoria.

529 Digital Display  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 5:20:29pm

re: #515 Ludwigvanquixote

Changing the subject...Did you ever check out my favorite Scientist's web site?
Dr C?
[Link: coraifeartaigh.wordpress.com...]

530 LGoPs  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 5:20:31pm

re: #506 Walter L. Newton

Are you threatening me?

Are you talking to me? ARE YOU TALKING TO ME?...hmmm?

531 wrenchwench  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 5:20:44pm

re: #512 callahan23

Couldn't they have voted differently instead ?

FTFY. Turnout is always a problem.

532 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 5:21:01pm

re: #523 Racer X

Diamond Dave taught me everything I know.

OMG that was so sad, please tell me that was a satire...

533 Diego  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 5:21:19pm

So when I show that he is engaging all you can say is that he doesn't have to? That makes my point, that he is not 'far left', not yours. Thanks you.

534 TheMatrix31  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 5:21:20pm

Mario Williams sacked that bitch Brett Favre to force 'em to punt. Awesome.

535 Killian Bundy  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 5:21:42pm

re: #502 Diego

3+3=majority for who?

What the hell are you talking about?

/by the way, Obama's original "stimulus" request was for less than $500 billion, as was the Republican's alternative plan

536 ryannon  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 5:22:17pm

re: #522 LGoPs

kjwysbq iAbABADH a

Hell, I can do that too. I'll just write in wingdings from now on...
/

pǝq uı

537 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 5:22:18pm

re: #525 coquimbojoe

Vivi por los cerros Rodelillo y Esperanza.

השיחה שלכם אני לא מבינה בכלל.

538 Shug  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 5:22:41pm

I feel like I'm at EPCOT

539 pianobuff  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 5:22:44pm

re: #503 Killgore Trout

Which one? I don't think so.

Actually I should have more correctly referred to it as the article on Brooks.

The Courtship - The story behind the Obama-Brooks bromance.

Here's a little sample so you can decide whether you want to read it.

That first encounter is still vivid in Brooks’s mind. “I remember distinctly an image of--we were sitting on his couches, and I was looking at his pant leg and his perfectly creased pant,” Brooks says, “and I’m thinking, a) he’s going to be president and b) he’ll be a very good president.” In the fall of 2006, two days after Obama’s The Audacity of Hope hit bookstores, Brooks published a glowing Times column. The headline was “Run, Barack, Run.”

540 sattv4u2  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 5:23:03pm

re: #515 Ludwigvanquixote

So is there a reason you are currently provoking me?
tsk tsk ,,, toughen up , Alice !! (now THAT was provocative!!)

Look, It was not my fault that your lack a science background rendered you credulous of certain propaganda sites.

Wrong target, skippy. In the AGW talks I never posted nor referenced a site

It was my fault that I allowed your insistence on repeating anti-science talking points and generally provocative language to make me decide to give as good as I was getting.

See above


As to Walter though, I do not compare you to him. You say some very smart things, and you never crossed the line of trying and succeeding to personally offend me.

But the night is young!

541 brookly red  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 5:23:04pm

re: #526 JCM

Problem comes in Nov. everyone counts on everyone else to throw their bastard out, they decided to keep theirs.

I made a point in this primary, no incumbent got my vote.

There are a few I would keep. Too bad none of those represent my district.

542 FrogMarch  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 5:23:19pm

re: #509 Athos

Been a rough 3 days in the Santa Clarita valley with very bad air quality from the Station fire. Smoke plume Saturday rose to over 20,000 ft altitude and visible from Fillmore area (about 45 miles to the west). Last night, the fire was visible from my home on the western rim of the Santa Clarita Valley.

An interactive map for those seeking more info on the fire.>

Rain rain rain in California... Please!

I have extended family in Santa Clarita. Actually - one is a fireman.

543 coquimbojoe  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 5:23:26pm

re: #532 Ludwigvanquixote

OMG that was so sad, please tell me that was a satire...

"...don't go ninja-in' nobody that don't need ninja-in'...

544 Racer X  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 5:23:42pm

re: #532 Ludwigvanquixote

OMG that was so sad, please tell me that was a satire...

I laughed so hard I had tears coming out of my nose the first time I saw that. Watch the Jerry Springer one too!

545 coquimbojoe  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 5:23:53pm

re: #537 Alouette

השיחה שלכם אני לא מבינה בכלל.

Shalom my birdy!

546 jaunte  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 5:24:03pm

re: #538 Shug

I feel like I'm at EPCOT

ноча иностранных языков

547 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 5:24:14pm

re: #529 HoosierHoops

Changing the subject...Did you ever check out my favorite Scientist's web site?
Dr C?
[Link: coraifeartaigh.wordpress.com...]

Yes, I rather liked the site. How do you know him?

For me the biggest question of Cosmology is the problem of the lack of Entropy in the Early Universe. For us to be here today, with as much order as we have now, is a very big puzzle.

I mean that the early universe had to have levels of order that are very hard to understand for all of this too happen. On the one hand it is a strong suggestion for a unified field theory, but on the other, it is a huge mark of what we do not know.

Cosmology is very cool stuff. IT is where particle physics meets GR and meets astrophysics.

548 Diego  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 5:24:28pm

re: #535 Killian Bundy

What the hell are you talking about?

Apologies. I should have told you I was going to make up a delusion of a 'gang of six' controlling the finance committee. Sorry.

549 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 5:24:54pm

re: #213 Walter L. Newton

I notice when you were trashing Christians on the last thread, going all they way back to Pope Urban to try to make a point about the Christians trying to take over the world, no on came back and told you to "F" off.

Funny, you can dish it out, like you did on the last thread, but when someone calls you on it, you go ballistic.

Over and over on these threads, as soon as someone doesn't agree with you, or if someone refuses to take up your position, you have some sassy-assed comment laying in wait for them.

Your Christian bashing on the last thread sounds just like the Jew bashing that it so prevalent from some corners.

Funny about that.

The reference to Urban was in response to a claim earlier on the thread that the Crusades were meant to protect Europe from the spread of Islam.

550 Racer X  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 5:24:56pm

re: #543 coquimbojoe

"...don't go ninja-in' nobody that don't need ninja-in'...

"Judy Chop!'

551 JCM  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 5:25:19pm

re: #541 brookly red

There are a few I would keep. Too bad none of those represent my district.

I'm past keeping a few. Yeah, there a few good ones.

I want the Professional Political Class to get a reminder of JUST WHO EXACTLY THEY WORK FOR!

552 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 5:25:29pm

re: #537 Alouette

השיחה שלכם אני לא מבינה בכלל.

You should translate that for him in a bit...

Yasher Koach...

553 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 5:25:45pm

re: #538 Shug

I feel like I'm at EPCOT

Here we go!

554 Killian Bundy  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 5:25:46pm

re: #548 Diego

Apologies. I should have told you I was going to make up a delusion of a 'gang of six' controlling the finance committee. Sorry.

/if they do, it's only because Democrats allow it

555 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 5:25:47pm

pozhalsta--po-angliskii?

556 callahan23  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 5:26:06pm

re: #531 wrenchwench

re: #512 callahan23
Couldn't they have voted differently instead ?


FTFY. Turnout is always a problem.

Strange thing is here just yesterday a high voter turn-out of some 67% in state elections brought about a 22% tally for the far left ex-east-German party.
The crazy is widespread in Germany.

557 JCM  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 5:26:12pm

re: #555 Emmmieg

pozhalsta--po-angliskii?

Nyet.

558 LGoPs  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 5:26:21pm

re: #551 JCM

I'm past keeping a few. Yeah, there a few good ones.

I want the Professional Political Class to get a reminder of JUST WHO EXACTLY THEY WORK FOR!

But they only want to serf us...
/

559 Diego  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 5:26:42pm

re: #554 Killian Bundy

/if they do, it's only because Democrats allow it

Which was exactly my original point all those many hours ago?

560 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 5:26:45pm

re: #549 SanFranciscoZionist

The reference to Urban was in response to a claim earlier on the thread that the Crusades were meant to protect Europe from the spread of Islam.

I read the whole thread, I understand all that was said. It wasn't just that one comment.

561 coquimbojoe  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 5:26:55pm

re: #550 Racer X

"Judy Chop!'

... you say 'mater' I say mater... once you go ninjy you never go back...

562 Athos  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 5:27:14pm

re: #551 JCM

The good one's can run again after taking a 2 year break in the real world...

563 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 5:27:26pm

re: #545 coquimbojoe

Shalom my birdy!

זה לא ספרדית

564 brookly red  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 5:27:27pm

re: #551 JCM

I'm past keeping a few. Yeah, there a few good ones.

I want the Professional Political Class to get a reminder of JUST WHO EXACTLY THEY WORK FOR!

Amen.

Can they collect unemployment ?

565 El fantasma de General Pinochet  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 5:27:45pm

re: #525 coquimbojoe

Vivi por los cerros Rodelillo y Esperanza.

¿Su sitio tiene una opinión de océano?

566 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 5:28:09pm

re: #562 Athos

The good one's can run again after taking a 2 year break in the real world...

Only if they manage to make a profit at something!

567 coquimbojoe  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 5:28:17pm

re: #563 Alouette

זה לא ספרדית

See, that's what i'm talkin' about!

568 Killgore Trout  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 5:28:30pm

re: #539 pianobuff

Interesting. He might be right. Things are too confusing right now and there's so much misinformation. I know it's unthinkable to many people here but Obama might end up being a very good president.

569 coquimbojoe  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 5:28:55pm

re: #565 El fantasma de General Pinochet

¿Su sitio tiene una opinión de océano?

Por su puesto!

570 Killian Bundy  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 5:29:29pm

re: #559 Diego

Which was exactly my original point all those many hours ago?

/what point would that be?

571 Digital Display  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 5:30:03pm

re: #547 Ludwigvanquixote

Yes, I rather liked the site. How do you know him?

For me the biggest question of Cosmology is the problem of the lack of Entropy in the Early Universe. For us to be here today, with as much order as we have now, is a very big puzzle.

I mean that the early universe had to have levels of order that are very hard to understand for all of this too happen. On the one hand it is a strong suggestion for a unified field theory, but on the other, it is a huge mark of what we do not know.

Cosmology is very cool stuff. IT is where particle physics meets GR and meets astrophysics.

I know Dr. C from Dr. Pamela Gay from Harvard...He is good people and very smart..I thought you might like him...

572 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 5:30:06pm

re: #316 BlackFedora

*Tries to find where Jesus commanded his followers to pray for their nation's leaders to get stricken with brain cancer.*

"Render unto Caesar brain cancer..." wait, that's not the right quote.

573 JCM  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 5:30:18pm

re: #564 brookly red

Amen.

Can they collect unemployment ?

Hell no! They need to get a *&%$ job...

574 Bob Dillon  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 5:30:36pm

re: #568 Killgore Trout

Interesting. He might be right. Things are too confusing right now and there's so much misinformation. I know it's unthinkable to many people here but Obama might end up being a very good president.

Dude - I want some of whatever you're smokin'.

575 JCM  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 5:30:57pm

re: #566 Emmmieg

Only if they manage to make a profit at something!

Meet a payroll, make a profit, break no laws...

576 TheMatrix31  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 5:31:33pm

re: #568 Killgore Trout

Yeah, and I might end up being the next Michael Jordan.

577 JCM  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 5:31:39pm

re: #568 Killgore Trout

Interesting. He might be right. Things are too confusing right now and there's so much misinformation. I know it's unthinkable to many people here but Obama might end up being a very good president.

ROFLMAO!

Stop yer' killin' me!

578 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 5:31:45pm

re: #336 Emmmieg

Wow. A pastor who managed to skip reading the entire New Testament. That's quite a trick.

And also Jeremiah..."pray for the peace of the city.."

579 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 5:31:50pm

re: #571 HoosierHoops

I know Dr. C from Dr. Pamela Gay from Harvard...He is good people and very smart..I thought you might like him...

She's the astronomer right? Is she at Harvard these days?

580 sattv4u2  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 5:31:53pm

re: #568 Killgore Trout

Interesting. He might be right. Things are too confusing right now and there's so much misinformation. I know it's unthinkable to many people here but Obama might end up being a very good president.

He's smart enough to be, and could be IF
A)he learns from this health care fiasco
B)stays out of the free markets way now that we are on the raod to recovery (that means if a busines is about to go under ,, LET IT)( as you and I agreed o, TARP WAS necessary)
C) listen to the porfessionals re: Iraq and Afghanastan
D) do NOT listen to his left ear re" Gitmo and a CIA witchhunt

581 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 5:31:55pm

re: #575 JCM

Meet a payroll, make a profit, break no laws...

It would be very interesting to see how they viewed regulations on small businesses once they had had to cope with those regulations.

582 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 5:32:26pm

re: #568 Killgore Trout

Interesting. He might be right. Things are too confusing right now and there's so much misinformation. I know it's unthinkable to many people here but Obama might end up being a very good president.

What happened to the sarc tag?

583 Athos  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 5:32:31pm

re: #568 Killgore Trout

Did you type that with a straight face?

584 Diego  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 5:32:32pm

I think Obama has been an excellent President so far. He's not done everything I'd want him to do, or the way I'd want it, but then I didn't elect me to the office so I'm not surprised.

I fond him very even handed and willing to TRY to reach out to the other side. Mind you, reaching out doesn't mean giving up your principals.

Only time will tell.

585 Killgore Trout  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 5:33:13pm

re: #539 pianobuff

Actually I should have more correctly referred to it as the article on Brooks.

The Courtship - The story behind the Obama-Brooks bromance.

Here's a little sample so you can decide whether you want to read it.

That first encounter is still vivid in Brooks’s mind. “I remember distinctly an image of--we were sitting on his couches, and I was looking at his pant leg and his perfectly creased pant,” Brooks says, “and I’m thinking, a) he’s going to be president and b) he’ll be a very good president.” In the fall of 2006, two days after Obama’s The Audacity of Hope hit bookstores, Brooks published a glowing Times column. The headline was “Run, Barack, Run.”

It's actually a pretty interesting article. Do you happen to have a consise definition of "Burkean"?

586 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 5:33:24pm

re: #364 jaunte

Didn't he start out as a socialist before he became a fascist?

Screeeams and runs awayyy...

587 LGoPs  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 5:33:43pm

re: #539 pianobuff

Actually I should have more correctly referred to it as the article on Brooks.

The Courtship - The story behind the Obama-Brooks bromance.

Here's a little sample so you can decide whether you want to read it.

That first encounter is still vivid in Brooks’s mind. “I remember distinctly an image of--we were sitting on his couches, and I was looking at his pant leg and his perfectly creased pant,” Brooks says, “and I’m thinking, a) he’s going to be president and b) he’ll be a very good president.” In the fall of 2006, two days after Obama’s The Audacity of Hope hit bookstores, Brooks published a glowing Times column. The headline was “Run, Barack, Run.”

That has certainly always been my standard for leadership. Well creased pant legs.
///

588 Diego  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 5:33:45pm

re: #570 Killian Bundy

/what point would that be?

That Obama has attempted to work with, engage, the GOP.

589 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 5:33:47pm

re: #584 Diego

I think Obama has been an excellent President so far. He's not done everything I'd want him to do, or the way I'd want it, but then I didn't elect me to the office so I'm not surprised.

I fond him very even handed and willing to TRY to reach out to the other side. Mind you, reaching out doesn't mean giving up your principals.

Only time will tell.

And you forgot your sarc tag.

590 TheMatrix31  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 5:33:52pm

re: #584 Diego

I think Obama has been an excellent President so far. He's not done everything I'd want him to do, or the way I'd want it, but then I didn't elect me to the office so I'm not surprised.

I fond him very even handed and willing to TRY to reach out to the other side. Mind you, reaching out doesn't mean giving up your principals.

Only time will tell.

Well, I know who not to pay attention to in the future.

591 Killgore Trout  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 5:33:56pm

Yes, yes, It's very outrageous.

592 unrealizedviewpoint  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 5:34:05pm

Would it be too much to ask of El fantasma de General Pinochet & coquimbojoeto to speak in English?

593 El fantasma de General Pinochet  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 5:34:24pm

re: #580 sattv4u2

Ambos sus oídos son grandes pero la izquierda es más grande que la derecha.

594 LGoPs  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 5:35:00pm

re: #592 unrealizedviewpoint

Would it be too much to ask of El fantasma de General Pinochet & coquimbojoeto to speak in English?

Just answer them in wingdings...
/

595 brookly red  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 5:35:02pm

re: #568 Killgore Trout

Interesting. He might be right. Things are too confusing right now and there's so much misinformation. I know it's unthinkable to many people here but Obama might end up being a very good president.

Uhh, past preformance is no idicat... Oh, never mind.

596 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 5:35:26pm

re: #584 Diego

I think Obama has been an excellent President so far. He's not done everything I'd want him to do, or the way I'd want it, but then I didn't elect me to the office so I'm not surprised.

I fond him very even handed and willing to TRY to reach out to the other side. Mind you, reaching out doesn't mean giving up your principals.

Only time will tell.

Yep, he really stuck to his principles, like the principle that he said he would NOT deal with the big drug companies.

How'd that work out for ya?

597 coquimbojoe  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 5:35:28pm

Chau pescaus

598 jaunte  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 5:35:39pm

re: #592 unrealizedviewpoint

Sin duda.

599 sattv4u2  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 5:35:55pm

re: #593 El fantasma de General Pinochet

Ambos sus oídos son grandes pero la izquierda es más grande que la derecha.

I totally agree

Unless you said something that I totally do NOT agree with!

600 JCM  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 5:36:26pm

re: #581 Emmmieg

It would be very interesting to see how they viewed regulations on small businesses once they had had to cope with those regulations.

I worked in food service, provide pre-made meals to senior centers. I was in charge of the warehouse and deliveries. Health regs stipulated a smooth floor in the kitchen to make sanitation easier. Safety regs stipulated a non-slip floor. There's a whole other industry to get around the conundrum, the non-skid mat business.

601 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 5:36:30pm

re: #592 unrealizedviewpoint

Would it be too much to ask of El fantasma de General Pinochet & coquimbojoeto to speak in English?

The preview keeps eating up my Hebrew commentsre: #593 El fantasma de General Pinochet

Ambos sus oídos son grandes pero la izquierda es más grande que la derecha.

ניי קאקען אויפן ים

602 Athos  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 5:36:42pm

re: #584 Diego

I fond him very even handed and willing to TRY to reach out to the other side. Mind you, reaching out doesn't mean giving up your principals.

Once again, its only bipartisanship when the other sides surrenders and accepts his principles.

What was it the President said several times in his quest for bipartisanship?

- - Oh, yeah - "I won".

603 aboo-Hoo-Hoo  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 5:36:54pm

This is really good : National Security Adviser Says President Obama Is Having Greater Success Taking Terrorists Out of Commission Than Bush Did

So how is it that attacks in Iraq have been increasing once more

[...]
Before the bombings, which killed nearly 100 people and wounded more than 500 others, Iraq had been on track to mark the most peaceful Ramadan since 2003, according to statistics compiled by the U.S. military. [...]

; Afghanistan...has turned to sheet:

Already 2009 has become the deadliest year for foreign troops in Afghanistan since the 2001 US-led invasion ousted the Taliban regime and implanted a new government, and August has been the deadliest month for US troops here.

; and then we have your very run-of-the-mill AED's going off in Fraudiland.

604 LGoPs  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 5:37:28pm

re: #587 LGoPs

That has certainly always been my standard for leadership. Well creased pant legs.
///

Other fools look for things like political philosophy, temperment, background. I like looking for more suttle and nooanced sines...
/

605 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 5:38:00pm

re: #604 LGoPs

Other fools look for things like political philosophy, temperment, background. I like looking for more suttle and nooanced sines...
/


Not me. I want blatant, obvious, and ugly cosines.

606 Diego  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 5:38:05pm

re: #596 Walter L. Newton

How'd that work out for ya?


It's not done until it is. Till then, anything is possible.

But then, it's what Bush did too, so at least he's keeping the GOP happy.

Oh, he's not? Oh well.

607 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 5:38:08pm

re: #584 Diego

I think Obama has been an excellent President so far. He's not done everything I'd want him to do, or the way I'd want it, but then I didn't elect me to the office so I'm not surprised.

I fond him very even handed and willing to TRY to reach out to the other side. Mind you, reaching out doesn't mean giving up your principals.

Only time will tell.

or his principle to be transparent and post all sorts of information on his web site about government spending. Times up.

608 pianobuff  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 5:38:09pm

re: #585 Killgore Trout

It's actually a pretty interesting article. Do you happen to have a consise definition of "Burkean"?

Classic liberalism, of which Burke was one of the leading voices.

609 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 5:38:10pm

re: #463 coquimbojoe

Si.

Si, como no?

610 Digital Display  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 5:38:12pm

re: #579 LudwigVanQuixote

She's the astronomer right? Is she at Harvard these days?

She is teaching at SIUE these days...She is a special person..Spends her own money to buy Telescopes for Girl Scouts..A wonderful blogger..great podcasts...Ok Ok..Pam is a smoking hot scientist also..But I swear I never noticed. She blogs so nice and enjoyable..Very nice read
[Link: www.starstryder.com...]

611 Killgore Trout  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 5:38:41pm

re: #603 aboo-Hoo-Hoo

So how is it that attacks in Iraq have been increasing once more


There was an increase in attacks and us casualties during the surge in Iraq too. It's a simple consequence of having more troops doing more fighting.

612 JCM  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 5:38:43pm

re: #593 El fantasma de General Pinochet

Ambos sus oídos son grandes pero la izquierda es más grande que la derecha.

LOL!

Usted comentario ha sido enviado a flag@whitehouse.gov.

613 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 5:39:16pm

re: #606 Diego

It's not done until it is. Till then, anything is possible.

But then, it's what Bush did too, so at least he's keeping the GOP happy.

Oh, he's not? Oh well.

You didn't ask about Bush, I was answering your question about Obama's principles, which he is loosing and dropping on a monthly basis.

I don't care about Bush. I can't stand Bush. Stick to your points.

614 LGoPs  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 5:39:17pm

re: #584 Diego

I think Obama has been an excellent President so far. He's not done everything I'd want him to do, or the way I'd want it, but then I didn't elect me to the office so I'm not surprised.

I fond him very even handed and willing to TRY to reach out to the other side. Mind you, reaching out doesn't mean giving up your principals.

Only time will tell.

I wish he'd give up some of his principals. And deans for that matter. Maybe we could get our education system back under control.
/

615 El fantasma de General Pinochet  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 5:39:24pm

re: #597 coquimbojoe

Chau!

Debo salir también. Incluso los fantasmas necesitan comer. Voy a tener cierto ceviche ectoplásmico.

616 JCM  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 5:39:25pm

re: #587 LGoPs

That has certainly always been my standard for leadership. Well creased pant legs.
///

Your for military dictatorships?
/;-P

617 brookly red  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 5:39:38pm

re: #603 aboo-Hoo-Hoo

This is really good : National Security Adviser Says President Obama Is Having Greater Success Taking Terrorists Out of Commission Than Bush Did

Well the drone attacks have worked pretty well so far...

618 Diego  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 5:39:40pm

re: #607 Walter L. Newton

or his principle to be transparent and post all sorts of information on his web site about government spending. Times up.

So now you're getting on to him for not living up to..liberal expectations??

619 Racer X  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 5:39:46pm

re: #584 Diego

I think Obama has been an excellent President so far.

Ninjay chop!

LOL!

620 unrealizedviewpoint  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 5:39:52pm

re: #569 coquimbojoe

re: #565 El fantasma de General Pinochet
¿Su sitio tiene una opinión de océano?Por su puesto!

Charles, where's that Instant Messaging Promised?
/

621 Killgore Trout  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 5:40:25pm

re: #608 pianobuff

Classic liberalism, of which Burke was one of the leading voices.

Ah, thanks. I started reading the wiki article on Edmond Burke, but it's pretty long and he did a lot of stuff. I really need to brush up on my history anyways.

622 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 5:40:33pm

re: #476 ArchangelMichael

I thought maybe they are buying the "we don't hate teh jooos now, just those GD Arabs!" lies that VB has been telling in their attempt to mainstream themselves.

They may buy it. They may fantasize that it's possible or them to become real Europeans in the eyes of these people.

623 sattv4u2  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 5:40:51pm

re: #618 Diego

So now you're getting on to him for not living up to..liberal expectations??

Nope, his own pronouncements!

624 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 5:41:43pm

re: #584 Diego

I think Obama has been an excellent President so far. He's not done everything I'd want him to do, or the way I'd want it, but then I didn't elect me to the office so I'm not surprised.

I fond him very even handed and willing to TRY to reach out to the other side. Mind you, reaching out doesn't mean giving up your principals.

Only time will tell.

And his principle to open up to the Conservatives. Here is how he opened up to talking to the conservatives about health care...

"But I don't want the folks who created the mess to do a lot of talking. I want them to get out of the way so we can clean up the mess. I don't mind cleaning up after them, but don't do a lot of talking."

[Link: www.breitbart.tv...]

Times Up.

625 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 5:42:18pm

re: #483 Diego

When does Glen Beck say we'll be forced to speak 'Spanglish' again? I gotget the dates..

I can speak Spanglish! It's no big deal. Yadadame entiendes?

626 pianobuff  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 5:42:21pm

re: #608 pianobuff

Classic liberalism, of which Burke was one of the leading voices.

KT - Here's the Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy entry on Burke if you find you want to read more.

627 Diego  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 5:42:36pm

re: #623 sattv4u2

Nope, his own pronouncements!

I'll give you that.

You know, I give quite a bit here, but none of you have given me a simgle point. I'm starting to feel like Obama talking to teh GOP here :P

/

628 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 5:42:55pm

re: #610 HoosierHoops

She is teaching at SIUE these days...She is a special person..Spends her own money to buy Telescopes for Girl Scouts..A wonderful blogger..great podcasts...Ok Ok..Pam is a smoking hot scientist also..But I swear I never noticed. She blogs so nice and enjoyable..Very nice read
[Link: www.starstryder.com...]

Then we are talking about the same person. She is awesome.

629 Lee Coller  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 5:43:05pm

re: #431 Shug

Sweet. Laura Ingraham is subbing for O'Reilly tonight.
I love that woman

The biggest problem I have with Laura Ingraham is that she calls Pat Buchanan "her good friend."

630 TheMatrix31  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 5:43:05pm

re: #624 Walter L. Newton

The only people who opened up were the American people. They opened up their assholes to grant the rod of big government easy access.

631 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 5:43:11pm

re: #584 Diego

I think Obama has been an excellent President so far. He's not done everything I'd want him to do, or the way I'd want it, but then I didn't elect me to the office so I'm not surprised.

I fond him very even handed and willing to TRY to reach out to the other side. Mind you, reaching out doesn't mean giving up your principals.

Only time will tell.

Or sticking to his principles... like single payer health care...

“I happen to be a proponent of a single payer universal health care program. I see no reason why the United States of America, the wealthiest country in the history of the world, spending 14 percent of its Gross National Product on health care cannot provide basic health insurance to everybody. And that’s what Jim is talking about when he says everybody in, nobody out. A single payer health care plan, a universal health care plan. And that’s what I’d like to see. But as all of you know, we may not get there immediately. Because first we have to take back the White House, we have to take back the Senate, and we have to take back the House.”

[Link: www.breitbart.tv...]

Times up.

632 sattv4u2  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 5:43:20pm

re: #624 Walter L. Newton

And his principle to open up to the Conservatives. Here is how he opened up to talking to the conservatives about health care...

"But I don't want the folks who created the mess to do a lot of talking. I want them to get out of the way so we can clean up the mess. I don't mind cleaning up after them, but don't do a lot of talking."

[Link: www.breitbart.tv...]

Times Up.

BIPARTISANSHIP

Working together! You guys stand over there in the corner while we do what we qwant to do!
CHANGE!

633 jaunte  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 5:44:00pm

re: #586 SanFranciscoZionist

Screeeams and runs awayyy...

Don't worry, I have no larger agenda around this question. It just proves Mussolini was an opportunist.

634 Diego  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 5:44:08pm

re: #631 Walter L. Newton

You work for what you can get, not what you would like to have.

635 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 5:44:25pm

re: #584 Diego

I think Obama has been an excellent President so far. He's not done everything I'd want him to do, or the way I'd want it, but then I didn't elect me to the office so I'm not surprised.

I fond him very even handed and willing to TRY to reach out to the other side. Mind you, reaching out doesn't mean giving up your principals.

Only time will tell.

Or his principles, like lying... good principle...

“We have the AARP on board because they know this is a good deal for our seniors,” the president said.

At another point he said: “Well, first of all, another myth that we've been hearing about is this notion that somehow we're going to be cutting your Medicare benefits. We are not. AARP would not be endorsing a bill if it was undermining Medicare, okay?”

The problem?

The AARP hasn't endorsed any plan yet.

[Link: blogs.abcnews.com...]

Times up.

636 Athos  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 5:44:30pm

President Barack Obama's job approval rating is down to 42%, with a decline in approval from Democrats the leading factor.

From new Zogby poll - not looking good.

The latest Zogby Interactive poll of 4,518 likely voters conducted from August 28-31 found 48% disapprove and 42% approve of the job Obama is doing. The poll found 75% of Democrats approve of Obama's performance, a drop of 13 points among Democrats from an interactive poll done July 21-24 of this year. That same poll found 48% of all likely voters approving of Obama's job performance, and 49% disapproving.

In the most recent poll, 8% of Republicans and 37% of Independents approve of Obama's job performance. Both are down slightly from six weeks ago; two points among Republicans and three among Independents.

637 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 5:44:56pm

re: #634 Diego

You work for what you can get, not what you would like to have.

Well, you are batting zero right now, with the Big Zero.

638 pianobuff  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 5:45:10pm

re: #628 LudwigVanQuixote

Then we are talking about the same person. She is awesome.

Are you and Hoops ex-Crimson?

639 The Shadow Do  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 5:45:39pm

re: #584 Diego


I fond him very even handed and willing to TRY to reach out to the other side. Mind you, reaching out doesn't mean giving up your principals.


What an odd thing to say, especiially the "TRY" part. I find that confusing.

640 sattv4u2  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 5:45:53pm

re: #627 Diego

I'll give you that.

You know, I give quite a bit here, but none of you have given me a simgle point. I'm starting to feel like Obama talking to teh GOP here :P

/

I only "give" when something is deserved and/ or earned. Sorry, I was raised a LONG time ago. Not everyone got a trophy just for showing up! We kept score!
GASP !!!

(btw,,,served me well for when I enetered the real world!)

641 Racer X  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 5:46:02pm

re: #636 Athos

President Barack Obama's job approval rating is down to 42%, with a decline in approval from Democrats the leading factor.

From new Zogby poll - not looking good.

Im-fucking-possible!

Doesn't anyone know that he could be, if he is not already, the best president ever!?!

642 Achilles Tang  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 5:46:24pm

re: #615 El fantasma de General Pinochet

Chau!

Chau? Is that Chilean?

643 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 5:46:40pm

re: #584 Diego

I think Obama has been an excellent President so far. He's not done everything I'd want him to do, or the way I'd want it, but then I didn't elect me to the office so I'm not surprised.

I fond him very even handed and willing to TRY to reach out to the other side. Mind you, reaching out doesn't mean giving up your principals.

Only time will tell.

He's some good principles on transparency... tracking users of government web sites.

The Obama administration is proposing to scale back a long-standing ban on tracking how people use government Internet sites with "cookies" and other technologies, raising alarms among privacy groups.

[Link: www.washingtonpost.com...]

Times up.

644 Athos  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 5:46:57pm

re: #634 Diego

You work for what you can get, not what you would like to have.

When you control the Executive Branch and Congress, you get what you want unless you are afraid of being held accountable and responsible for those things.

645 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 5:46:57pm

re: #638 pianobuff

Are you and Hoops ex-Crimson?

Nope.

My school colors were blue and white :)

646 unrealizedviewpoint  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 5:47:25pm

re: #635 Walter L. Newton

Or his principles, like lying... good principle...

“We have the AARP on board because they know this is a good deal for our seniors,” the president said.

At another point he said: “Well, first of all, another myth that we've been hearing about is this notion that somehow we're going to be cutting your Medicare benefits. We are not. AARP would not be endorsing a bill if it was undermining Medicare, okay?”

The problem?

The AARP hasn't endorsed any plan yet.

[Link: blogs.abcnews.com...]

Times up.

The problem I have with this argument is - in the end AARP will endorse whatever plan the dems place up for a vote.

647 calcajun  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 5:47:27pm

re: #641 Racer X

Im-fucking-possible!

Doesn't anyone know that he could be, if he is not already, the best president ever!?!

We're to dumb to appreciate his brilliance. Say, that reminds me of a fairly tale about an emperor and some new clothes.

648 JCM  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 5:47:33pm

re: #637 Walter L. Newton

Well, you are batting zero right now, with the Big Zero.

He, The Wee Won got a $9 Trillion deficit!

I'd certainly call that something!

649 FrogMarch  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 5:47:39pm

re: #624 Walter L. Newton

"But I don't want the folks who created the mess to do a lot of talking. I want them to get out of the way so we can clean up the mess. I don't mind cleaning up after them, but don't do a lot of talking."
.

--Barack Obama.


I don't know how to break that down into anything but - 'If you don't agree with me, shut the hell up and get out of my way.'

650 LGoPs  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 5:47:42pm

re: #636 Athos

President Barack Obama's job approval rating is down to 42%, with a decline in approval from Democrats the leading factor.

From new Zogby poll - not looking good.

In the most recent poll, 8% of Republicans and 37% of Independents approve of Obama's job performance. Both are down slightly from six weeks ago; two points among Republicans and three among Independents.

I'd love to know who the 8% Republicans are. Actually 7% - because I already know where Colin Powell stands.

651 calcajun  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 5:48:12pm

re: #647 calcajun

We're to dumb to appreciate his brilliance. Say, that reminds me of a fairly fairy ( dammit) tale about an emperor and some new clothes.


PIMF
PIMF
PIMF

652 Racer X  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 5:48:14pm

re: #634 Diego

You work for what you can get, not what you would like to have.

Like health care?

653 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 5:48:20pm

re: #584 Diego

I think Obama has been an excellent President so far. He's not done everything I'd want him to do, or the way I'd want it, but then I didn't elect me to the office so I'm not surprised.

I fond him very even handed and willing to TRY to reach out to the other side. Mind you, reaching out doesn't mean giving up your principals.

Only time will tell.

And transparancy... how about flagging emails to them...

There is a lot of disinformation about health insurance reform out there, spanning from control of personal finances to end of life care. These rumors often travel just below the surface via chain emails or through casual conversation. Since we can’t keep track of all of them here at the White House, we’re asking for your help. If you get an email or see something on the web about health insurance reform that seems fishy, send it to flag@whitehouse.gov.

Times up.

654 JCM  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 5:48:41pm

re: #634 Diego

You work for what you can get, not what you would like to have.

The (D)s the Legislative and Executive branch. What's the hold up?

655 Diego  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 5:48:48pm

re: #644 Athos

Or unless 'conservative' Democrats aren't playing ball, and are collecting lots of cash which not doing so.

656 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 5:48:58pm

re: #646 unrealizedviewpoint

The problem I have with this argument is - in the end AARP will endorse whatever plan the dems place up for a vote.

I know, my point is Obama has no principles about lying, does he.

657 Shug  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 5:49:00pm

Obama has reached out to the republicans?

Hell, he hasn't even given em a reach around

658 Killian Bundy  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 5:49:36pm

re: #588 Diego

That Obama has attempted to work with, engage, the GOP.

Sure, after trying to ram it through sight unseen in two weeks didn't work. Fine, the GOP wants nothing to do with government run health care.

/so stop whining about the fiction that the GOP is "holding up" the bill, step up and own it

659 Killgore Trout  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 5:49:38pm

re: #626 pianobuff

Thanks. I guess the article on Brooks was supposed to be a smear (he's an "Obama lover") but I actually found it pretty interesting. That's for posting it.

660 sattv4u2  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 5:49:40pm

re: #652 Racer X

Like health care?

OUCH ,, THATS gonna leave a nasty mark!

661 unrealizedviewpoint  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 5:49:47pm

re: #636 Athos

President Barack Obama's job approval rating is down to 42%, with a decline in approval from Democrats the leading factor.

From new Zogby poll - not looking good.

I truly expect him down in the high 30"s by Xmas

662 Digital Display  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 5:50:03pm

re: #628 LudwigVanQuixote

Then we are talking about the same person. She is awesome.

She is awesome...Great scientist...A wonderful role model for young girls getting into science...Just one the top women in the world I respect today as a role model...Plus she married a Blues Guitarist...

663 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 5:50:33pm

re: #655 Diego

You want me to go on? What's left?

I know what's left.

Obama has no principles.

Glad to clear that up for you.

664 brookly red  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 5:50:46pm

re: #661 unrealizedviewpoint

I truly expect him down in the high 30"s by Xmas

halloween.

665 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 5:51:06pm

re: #657 Shug

Obama has reached out to the republicans?

Hell, he hasn't even given em a reach around

He has certainly tried to negotiate. He has been given a party of no through the core. He tried negotiating with Republicans for weeks on the Bailout. They tied him up for weeks with concession after concession and still each one of them voted against it.

What the GOP has taught Obama was two things:

1. The GOP will not negotiate in good faith
2. Obama doesn't need the GOP.

666 Diego  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 5:51:10pm

re: #658 Killian Bundy

Hey, I'm all for that. But, again, I didn't elect me.

If it were up to me I'd tell Grassley to go fuck off already.

667 calcajun  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 5:51:26pm

re: #656 Walter L. Newton

Well, to him "sinning" is doing something out of line with his principles-- this to Rick Warren at the Saddleback interview.

668 The Shadow Do  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 5:51:36pm

Remind me not to fuck with Walter, so to speak.

669 unrealizedviewpoint  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 5:51:45pm

re: #656 Walter L. Newton

I know, my point is Obama has no principles about lying, does he.

Actually, I don't think Obama's lying here. He does have AARP's support. He just forgot that he wasn't supposed to speak of it just yet.

670 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 5:51:52pm

re: #665 LudwigVanQuixote

He has certainly tried to negotiate. He has been given a party of no through the core. He tried negotiating with Republicans for weeks on the Bailout. They tied him up for weeks with concession after concession and still each one of them voted against it.

What the GOP has taught Obama was two things:

1. The GOP will not negotiate in good faith
2. Obama doesn't need the GOP.

AND HE STILL CAN"T GET ANYTHING PASSED. PITIFUL isn't it?

671 Racer X  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 5:51:58pm

re: #657 Shug

Obama has reached out to the republicans?

Hell, he hasn't even given em a reach around

I'm not even gonna mention what the Teabaggers did to him.

672 Digital Display  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 5:52:09pm

re: #638 pianobuff

Are you and Hoops ex-Crimson?

No my friend...I was born, raised and went to College in California...Living in Hoosier land these days...Fuck Snow!

673 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 5:52:25pm

re: #668 The Shadow Do

Remind me not to fuck with Walter, so to speak.

What did I do? I'm sorry.

674 calcajun  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 5:52:30pm

re: #670 Walter L. Newton

AND HE STILL CAN"T GET ANYTHING PASSED. PITIFUL isn't it?

He's working on a kidney stone, I hear./

675 El fantasma de General Pinochet  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 5:52:48pm

re: #642 Naso Tang

Sí. Chileno y español de Argentina. Equivalente del "ciao" en Italiano.

676 Diego  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 5:52:49pm

re: #665 LudwigVanQuixote

Thank yiou. Glad to see some open honesty shine through.

677 Sharmuta  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 5:52:50pm

Wilders' party loses support

Geert Wilders' anti-immigration PVV party would take 24 seats in the 150-seat parliament if there was a general election tomorrow, four down on last month, according to the latest Politieke Barometer opinion poll.

At the beginning of July, support for the PVV had reached an all-time high of 32, making it the most popular party in the country. It currently has nine seats in parliament.

678 FrogMarch  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 5:52:53pm

re: #649 FrogMarch

"But I don't want the folks who created the mess to do a lot of talking. I want them to get out of the way so we can clean up the mess. I don't mind cleaning up after them, but don't do a lot of talking."


.

--Barack Obama.

Code: 'If you don't agree with me, shut the hell up and get out of my way.' AND
'It was those evil Republicans who messed up health care... we we wee democrats had nothing to do with it.'

Is that what you call post-partisan?

679 Athos  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 5:52:54pm

re: #655 Diego

Or unless 'conservative' Democrats aren't playing ball, and are collecting lots of cash which not doing so.

Actually, the blue dogs have been bought (see $787B Porkulus Bill) to vote with the Presi - seeing what that brought them, they are far more hesitant (and expensive) to be bought this time on health care.

Try to spin it as you like, but this has not been a bipartisan Administration or Congressional leadership effort. A 53-46 plurality win was seen as a 99-1 landslide by the current Admin.

680 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 5:53:02pm

re: #669 unrealizedviewpoint

Actually, I don't think Obama's lying here. He does have AARP's support. He just forgot that he wasn't supposed to speak of it just yet.

Got it (sly isn't he).

681 sattv4u2  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 5:53:19pm

re: #665 LudwigVanQuixote

He has certainly tried to negotiate. He has been given a party of no through the core. He tried negotiating with Republicans for weeks on the Bailout. They tied him up for weeks with concession after concession and still each one of them voted against it.

What the GOP has taught Obama was two things:

1. The GOP will not negotiate in good faith
2. Obama doesn't need the GOP.

So the GOP should have caved on the bailout that the GOP didn't agree with! ''mmmkaaayyy

Reaching out!
[Link: blogs.chron.com...]

682 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 5:53:25pm

re: #676 Diego

Thank yiou. Glad to see some open honesty shine through.

And the blind can see again.

683 Killgore Trout  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 5:53:40pm

re: #657 Shug

Obama has reached out to the republicans?

I don't think the Republicans are interested...
Gibbs Slams Key GOP Health Care Negotiator: He's Walked Away From Table

684 Van Helsing  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 5:54:41pm

re: #603 aboo-Hoo-Hoo

; and then we have your very run-of-the-mill AED's going off in Fraudiland.

Question - AED == Anthropomorphic Explosive Device?
Because that would be most amusing.

Is it just me noticing or is there a whole lot of knickers in a knot on this thread?

685 ladycatnip  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 5:54:48pm

#584 Diego

I think Obama has been an excellent President so far. He's not done everything I'd want him to do, or the way I'd want it, but then I didn't elect me to the office so I'm not surprised.

Appointing tax evaders, running our economy into the tank with a deficit even our great-grandchildren can't pay off - that's your standard of excellence? What was I thinking - libs don't have standards!! And those were only two teeny tiny examples out of many - happy to give you more if you enjoy pain.

I fond him very even handed and willing to TRY to reach out to the other side. Mind you, reaching out doesn't mean giving up your principals

Riiight. Telling the republicans "I won" was a masterful stroke of reaching out.

686 Athos  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 5:55:00pm

re: #661 unrealizedviewpoint

Would not be surprised - as he is losing the one's in the middle who gave him his win.

By then, I expect him to toss both Reid and Pelosi under the bus and say his poll numbers reflect their ineptitude to lead.

687 sattv4u2  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 5:55:04pm

re: #683 Killgore Trout

I don't think the Republicans are interested...
Gibbs Slams Key GOP Health Care Negotiator: He's Walked Away From Table

Can't walk away from a table you never had a seat at!

[Link: blogs.chron.com...]

688 Racer X  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 5:55:10pm

re: #665 LudwigVanQuixote

He has certainly tried to negotiate. He has been given a party of no through the core. He tried negotiating with Republicans for weeks on the Bailout. They tied him up for weeks with concession after concession and still each one of them voted against it.

What the GOP has taught Obama was two things:

1. The GOP will not negotiate in good faith
2. Obama doesn't need the GOP.

Huh?

The Stimulus Package was rammed through on a Friday night - no discussion no debate, no one read it, just a vote. Then Dear Leader sat on it for 4 days until he could get a nice photo op before he signed it.

Or am I remembering wrong?

689 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 5:55:20pm

re: #676 Diego

Thank yiou. Glad to see some open honesty shine through.

Don't worry, there are a lot of folks on LGF who at least remember the recent news.

There are also some very partisan hacks. If you want to piss them off, you can remind them that not everything is the fault of the Dems and that AGW is real.

IF you really want to piss them off, you can call out revisionist history to them on al manner of fronts.

One of the best things about LGF is that through all the bluster, most lizards care about the facts and are very reasonable.

690 [deleted]  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 5:55:28pm
691 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 5:55:53pm

re: #689 LudwigVanQuixote

Don't worry, there are a lot of folks on LGF who at least remember the recent news.

There are also some very partisan hacks. If you want to piss them off, you can remind them that not everything is the fault of the Dems and that AGW is real.

IF you really want to piss them off, you can call out revisionist history to them on al manner of fronts.

One of the best things about LGF is that through all the bluster, most lizards care about the facts and are very reasonable.

Anyone in particular?

692 TheMatrix31  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 5:56:26pm

The Republicans have NOTHING TO DO with what the Democrats want to accomplish. It's the DEMOCRATS that are holding back on the bullshit proposal that IS the healthcare plan. The Democrats can do what they want, if they want to. They own everything. They have the House, Senate, AND the Presidency. What the Republicans have to do with any of that is beyond me.

693 Sharmuta  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 5:56:30pm

More Geert Wilders news:

Geert Wilders: Prophet Mohammed Acted Like a Pig

Dutch legislator Geert Wilders compared the prophet Mohammed with a pig after a report was published that Saudi Arabian authorities returned a runaway10-year-old bride to her 80-year-old husband.

Wilders asked Dutch Foreign Minister Maxime Verhagen if he agrees that "this man is behaving like a pig, just like the barbarous Prophet Mohammed, who married" a six-year-old girl. Wilders wants the Foreign Minister to summon the Saudi Arabian ambassador to the Netherlands to express his disgust at the act.

I can't help but think he's being intentionally inflammatory.

694 sattv4u2  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 5:56:34pm

re: #691 Walter L. Newton

Anyonetwo in particular?

ftfy

695 Killian Bundy  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 5:56:47pm

re: #688 Racer X

Huh?

The Stimulus Package was rammed through on a Friday night - no discussion no debate, no one read it, just a vote. Then Dear Leader sat on it for 4 days until he could get a nice photo op before he signed it.

Or am I remembering wrong?

/no, that's about right

696 ladycatnip  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 5:56:49pm

#674 calcajun

He's working on a kidney stone, I hear./

ROTFL

697 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 5:56:56pm

re: #693 Sharmuta

More Geert Wilders news:

Geert Wilders: Prophet Mohammed Acted Like a Pig

I can't help but think he's being intentionally inflammatory.

That would definitely be picking a fight.

698 Achilles Tang  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 5:57:14pm

re: #675 El fantasma de General Pinochet

Sí. Chileno y español de Argentina. Equivalente del "ciao" en Italiano.

Danke.

699 [deleted]  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 5:57:30pm
700 [deleted]  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 5:57:45pm
701 Killgore Trout  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 5:57:58pm

re: #687 sattv4u2

There were something like 45 amendments on the health care bill that came out of the Senate committee. Two Republican amendments were put on out of 45 offers.


That's better than nothing, especially since the bill is going to get very few Republican votes if any at all. No votes, no comprimise. That's the way the system works.

702 Sharmuta  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 5:58:06pm

re: #697 LudwigVanQuixote

That would definitely be picking a fight.

Solutions like the ones he peddles aren't necessary if everyone behaves themselves.

703 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 5:58:22pm

re: #688 Racer X

Huh?

The Stimulus Package was rammed through on a Friday night - no discussion no debate, no one read it, just a vote. Then Dear Leader sat on it for 4 days until he could get a nice photo op before he signed it.

Or am I remembering wrong?

No you are not. That would be the part where Obama realized that he did not need the GOP. He really had spent quite some time with them in fruitless negotiations.

My only point is that Obama really has tried on multiple times to reach out to the GOP and the GOP has yet to be something other than a party of NO.

704 JCM  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 5:58:40pm

re: #678 FrogMarch

.

--Barack Obama.

Code: 'If you don't agree with me, shut the hell up and get out of my way.' AND
'It was those evil Republicans who messed up health care... we we wee democrats had nothing to do with it.'

Is that what you call post-partisan?

Challenged by one Republican senator over the contents of the package, the new president, according to participants, replied: “I won.”

705 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 5:58:44pm

re: #692 TheMatrix31

The Republicans have NOTHING TO DO with what the Democrats want to accomplish. It's the DEMOCRATS that are holding back on the bullshit proposal that IS the healthcare plan. The Democrats can do what they want, if they want to. They own everything. They have the House, Senate, AND the Presidency. What the Republicans have to do with any of that is beyond me.

Because the SO PRINCIPLED progressives are worried about their jobs, and nothing more. They don't have principles.

706 brookly red  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 5:58:47pm

re: #687 sattv4u2

Can't walk away from a table you never had a seat at!

Negotiate? Negotiate what? Surrender?

707 calcajun  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 5:58:49pm

re: #700 taxfreekiller

Put me in coach, I'm ready to play.

More like a tag-up in wrestling.

"GIVE 'EM THE CHAIR!"/

708 Shug  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 5:58:50pm

re: #665 LudwigVanQuixote

He has certainly tried to negotiate. He has been given a party of no through the core. He tried negotiating with Republicans for weeks on the Bailout. They tied him up for weeks with concession after concession and still each one of them voted against it.

What the GOP has taught Obama was two things:

1. The GOP will not negotiate in good faith
2. Obama doesn't need the GOP.


and God Bless them for it.

anyway, he doesn't need them and yet can't even get his agenda passed.

HOPE

709 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 5:59:47pm

re: #708 Shug

and God Bless them for it.

anyway, he doesn't need them and yet can't even get his agenda passed.

HOPE

This really will backfire on the GOP.

710 The Shadow Do  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 5:59:48pm

re: #673 Walter L. Newton

What did I do? I'm sorry.

You're lethal Walter, that was a compliment.

711 gymnast  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 5:59:48pm

Hey Ludwig, you keep pissin' up that rope and you are goin' to get wet.

712 Digital Display  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 6:00:05pm

re: #675 El fantasma de General Pinochet

Sí. Chileno y español de Argentina. Equivalente del "ciao" en Italiano.

For Gawds sakes...Does anybody have the 800 number to buy Rosetta Stone software to learn Spanish?...Out of 25,000 posters here I finally found a lizard that is driving me crazy... Looking up and down..Carving my clue by 4 by hand...with my Swiss army knife...
Stop it General! I feel like Rambo by the camp fire in the wilderness planning my attack!
*wink*

713 sattv4u2  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 6:00:06pm

re: #701 Killgore Trout

That's better than nothing, especially since the bill is going to get very few Republican votes if any at all. No votes, no comprimise. That's the way the system works.

You have that backwards, imho

You make the compromises to GET the votes. Thats the way the bipartisan system works

714 [deleted]  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 6:00:12pm
715 Racer X  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 6:00:28pm

re: #695 Killian Bundy

[Video]

/no, that's about right

I watched that speech live that night! It was brutal. Too bad everyone else had already gone home and the place was nearly empty. But you know what? All of those speeches that night were read into the official record of congress. There for everyone to see for all eternity.

716 unrealizedviewpoint  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 6:00:29pm

re: #709 LudwigVanQuixote

This really will backfire on the GOP.

You sound so concerned for the GOP. Thanks!

717 Diego  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 6:00:45pm

Actually, there are some 160 GOP amendments in the house bill if I am not mistaken.

718 [deleted]  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 6:01:29pm
719 unrealizedviewpoint  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 6:01:33pm

re: #675 El fantasma de General Pinochet

Sí. Chileno y español de Argentina. Equivalente del "ciao" en Italiano.

Por favor, señor, no es molesto para ser capaz de comprender sus palabras. Inglés es el idioma principal hablado aquí. Gracias.

720 Shug  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 6:02:25pm

re: #709 LudwigVanQuixote

This really will backfire on the GOP.


The american people reject this radical agenda.
seen the poll numbers?

The republicans need to oppose this radical agenda. It's the right thing to do, and if it costs them politically, so be it

721 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 6:02:36pm

(in late) ... forgive me for getting back on-topic

Broughton: "I don’t care how God does it..."

Cute, asshole ... really cute!

/biting my #%@$& tongue, and leaving to fix supper before I say something nasty

722 [deleted]  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 6:02:45pm
723 Racer X  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 6:03:10pm

re: #703 LudwigVanQuixote

No you are not. That would be the part where Obama realized that he did not need the GOP. He really had spent quite some time with them in fruitless negotiations.

My only point is that Obama really has tried on multiple times to reach out to the GOP and the GOP has yet to be something other than a party of NO.

I'm not sure I agree with you, but it does not matter. Obama and the Democrats own this. Every bill that has been passed, they own it. There is a reason Republicans are hesitant to jump on board.

724 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 6:03:14pm

re: #709 LudwigVanQuixote

This really will backfire on the GOP.

Boo.

725 [deleted]  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 6:03:57pm
726 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 6:04:00pm

re: #717 Diego

Actually, there are some 160 GOP amendments in the house bill if I am not mistaken.

You probably are, just on principle.

727 Van Helsing  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 6:04:02pm

re: #678 FrogMarch

Is that what you call post-partisan?

I thought it was 'post-turtle'.

728 Racer X  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 6:04:06pm

re: #709 LudwigVanQuixote

This really will backfire on the GOP.

How?

729 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 6:04:22pm

re: #716 unrealizedviewpoint

You sound so concerned for the GOP. Thanks!

I am concerned for America. The Dems are not running it well and the GOP has gone completely crazy.

Since the GOP seems intent on going even deeper into loony land, then I will be happy to let them commit suicide quickly so that they can be replaced with an actual center right party, that actually cares about things like fiscal responsibility and keeping America safe. I am opposed to populist fanatics anti-science who make the lowest common denominator of crazy into the mainstream.

If the GOP continues to go the way they are, then it is for the good of America that they are replaced sooner rather than later. Because like I said, the Dems need to be balanced out.

730 Diego  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 6:04:32pm

re: #723 Racer X

I'm not sure I agree with you, but it does not matter. Obama and the Democrats own this. Every bill that has been passed, they own it. There is a reason Republicans are hesitant to jump on board.

Because the party leader told them not to.

No, not that moron, the other moron: Rush.

731 Syrah  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 6:04:50pm

re: #717 Diego

Actually, there are some 160 GOP amendments in the house bill if I am not mistaken.

And even then, Republicans won't touch it.

Why do you think that the Democrats are reluctant vote for it themselves?

732 calcajun  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 6:04:56pm

re: #723 Racer X

I'm not sure I agree with you, but it does not matter. Obama and the Democrats own this. Every bill that has been passed, they own it. There is a reason Republicans are hesitant to jump on board.

Do add, too, that the only reason the Dems want the GOP on board with them --in the spirit of bi-partisanship--is they do not want to take the blame alone if the thing as a colossal failure.

733 jaunte  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 6:04:58pm

Principles.

House Democrats are willing to rally around Rep. Charles Rangel in his latest spate of tax missteps -- but only as long as no more embarrassing revelations come to light, sources told The Post.

The head of the powerful Ways and Means Committee last week amended six years' worth of financial disclosure forms and revealed he'd earned $1.3 million in previously unreported income. [Link: www.nypost.com...]

734 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 6:05:24pm

re: #728 Racer X

How?

Because Ludwig says so, that how.

735 [deleted]  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 6:06:02pm
736 Van Helsing  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 6:06:47pm

re: #703 LudwigVanQuixote

No you are not. That would be the part where Obama realized that he did not need the GOP. He really had spent quite some time with them in fruitless negotiations.

My only point is that Obama really has tried on multiple times to reach out to the GOP and the GOP has yet to be something other than a party of NO.

Probably the point at which he began to lose the independents as well. Push the monstrosity through because the Fate of the World as We Know It hangs in the balance and there's no time for that silly ol' campaign promise of having stuff posted for review. Hurry! Crisis! Emergency!!111oneone!!!

And then sit on it for 4 days to get a nice Denver photo op.

Yup. That had sincere concern written ALL over it.

737 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 6:07:10pm

re: #675 El fantasma de General Pinochet

Sí. Chileno y español de Argentina. Equivalente del "ciao" en Italiano.

É quoi en Français?

Und auf Deutsch, was?

לא כל אחד מדבר ספרדית

738 JCM  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 6:07:35pm

re: #733 jaunte

Principles.

Hey, it wasn't in his freezer so it's okay!

//

739 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 6:07:37pm

re: #728 Racer X

How?

Because Obama's central message of hope was bought by the average American. This means that Americans hope that stuff will get done. The GOP's message of "we have no ideas of our own except to shout crazy and easily disproved conspiracy stuff," whilst being obstructionist, will not sway Americans who are fed up with the system. The Republicans are seen as part of the problem and even if Obama's solutions are not the best, they will be seen as those who didn't try to fix anything.

740 Diego  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 6:07:38pm

re: #731 Syrah

And even then, Republicans won't touch it.

Exactly.


Why do you think that the Democrats are reluctant vote for it themselves?

'Democrats' will. 'Conservative Democrats, who are making a bundle out of not voting for it, as well as trying to save their asses in the districts they are from, will/are not.

741 [deleted]  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 6:07:49pm
742 jaunte  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 6:07:55pm

re: #738 JCM

Hey, it wasn't in his freezer so it's okay!

//

Not cool?

743 Racer X  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 6:07:56pm

re: #730 Diego

Because the party leader told them not to.

No, not that moron, the other moron: Rush.

Hee hee hee!

Rush is the real leader of the GOP! Beck is the co-chairman. You've discovered the sekrit!

744 [deleted]  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 6:08:07pm
745 Achilles Tang  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 6:08:14pm

re: #705 Walter L. Newton

Because the SO PRINCIPLED progressives are worried about their jobs, and nothing more. They don't have principles.

You are slipping Walter. That is a actually a nonsense statement in the real world.

746 Achilles Tang  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 6:09:22pm

re: #737 Alouette

É quoi en Français?

Und auf Deutsch, was?

לא כל אחד מדבר ספרדית

Salute

Heil

(what the F, you again)

747 Diego  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 6:09:36pm

re: #743 Racer X

You've discovered the sekrit!

What secret? name the GOP leader who hasn't kissed them some Rush ass?

748 Killgore Trout  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 6:09:40pm

re: #713 sattv4u2

You have that backwards, imho

You make the compromises to GET the votes. Thats the way the bipartisan system works

That might be the case if Republican votes were actually needed to pass the bill. Republicans are in a position of weakness and complaining that they aren't being pandered to. If Republicans want consideration they're going to have to show a willingness to vote for the bill and take what few concessions they can get. I don't think the Republicans are interested for 2 reasons; 1) the think it's a bad bill 2) if they think that some of the reforms might actually help they don't want to give Obama the victory.
I just don't see Republicans being at all interested in any form of health care reform.

749 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 6:10:04pm

re: #735 taxfreekiller

are you saying you want us R's to re-read the VA pamplet and all of us die???

I don't want anyone to die Tax. I am saying that the R's are no longer the R's I once respected. They mutated into something very stupid and very scary. If they can not fix themselves then it is best that they disappear and get replaced by a more sensible conservative party.

750 Van Helsing  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 6:10:12pm

re: #717 Diego

Actually, there are some 160 GOP amendments in the house bill if I am not mistaken.

You brought that up before - ever find a link?
Because this one gop amendments
doesn't show that.

751 unrealizedviewpoint  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 6:10:29pm

re: #745 Naso Tang

You are slipping Walter. That is a actually a nonsense statement in the real world.

This is what he meant. Please permit me to fix it for him:

Because the SO PRINCIPLED progressive politicians are worried about their jobs, and nothing more. They don't have principles.

752 Killian Bundy  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 6:10:48pm

re: #729 LudwigVanQuixote

Since the GOP seems intent on going even deeper into loony land, then I will be happy to let them commit suicide quickly so that they can be replaced with an actual center right party

Experts across the country are expecting Democratic losses during next year’s midterm election

All independent pollsters are now predicting Republicans will pick up seats in Congress. The Democrats have a 40 seat majority in the House and 10 seats in the Senate. The Republicans should be expected to pick up more than 20 seats in the House, and a handful in the Senate. That will allow the GOP to help put a halt on the liberal agenda that Obama, Pelosi, and Reid are attempting to enact. It has become clear that Democrats are beginning to realize their precarious situation with voters and that is why many are trying to pass things quickly through Congress.

Two things, as of now, will determine the outcome of the election. The first is healthcare reform and the second is the economy. If Democrats fail to pass healthcare reform, then they can only blame themselves. Americans do not want the public option, but the liberal politicians do. President Obama has made healthcare the centerpiece of his domestic agenda, so it’s defeat would be a severe blow to his agenda. If the American public and Republicans, coupled with some mainstream Democrats, rally to defeat the public option and prevent the expansion of big government, then that will be a victory and a major factor is the Democrats losing seats. Secondly the economy will be featured front and center. If unemployment is still high, the deficit is sky high, home prices still low, and inflation goes up, then the American people will realize that the economy now belongs to the Democrats and will vote them out. Now, the election is 14 months off still, but it is shaping up to be a year that the Republicans begin their march back to power

/run for your lives, the sky is falling!

753 LGoPs  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 6:11:46pm

re: #709 LudwigVanQuixote

This really will backfire on the GOP.

Just like being the obstructionist for the last eight years backfired on the Dems. But thanks for your concern.
/

754 JCM  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 6:11:47pm

re: #742 jaunte

Not cool?

He shoulda' used Turbo Tax!

755 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 6:12:13pm

re: #739 LudwigVanQuixote

Because Obama's central message of hope was bought by the average American. This means that Americans hope that stuff will get done. The GOP's message of "we have no ideas of our own except to shout crazy and easily disproved conspiracy stuff," whilst being obstructionist, will not sway Americans who are fed up with the system. The Republicans are seen as part of the problem and even if Obama's solutions are not the best, they will be seen as those who didn't try to fix anything.

Yea sure, that's why he is getting push back from independents, his own party people, the far left progressive (even seen it here on LGF), that's why his poll numbers are tumbling, that's why health care is like a burned out star.

The Republicans, if any problem, are only a small part.

756 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 6:13:09pm

re: #751 unrealizedviewpoint

This is what he meant. Please permit me to fix it for him:

Because the SO PRINCIPLED progressive politicians are worried about their jobs, and nothing more. They don't have principles.

Thanks.

757 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 6:13:29pm

re: #734 Walter L. Newton

Because Ludwig says so, that how.

Walter really, I am not interested.. but if you must...

It is because there is a case to be made for it. Unlike your claim that Urban II didn't start the crusades...

It really isn't my fault that you are stupid, uneducated and incapable of reason.

You also don't know when to quite.

758 unrealizedviewpoint  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 6:14:04pm

re: #749 LudwigVanQuixote

I don't want anyone to die Tax. I am saying that the R's are no longer the R's I once respected. They mutated into something very stupid and very scary. If they can not fix themselves then it is best that they disappear and get replaced by a more sensible conservative party.

I just get all warm and fuzzy when the liberals speak of how they want a strong GOP, a GOP they can respect. Yeah right!

759 sattv4u2  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 6:14:45pm

re: #748 Killgore Trout

That might be the case if Republican votes were actually needed to pass the bill. Republicans are in a position of weakness and complaining that they aren't being pandered to. If Republicans want consideration they're going to have to show a willingness to vote for the bill and take what few concessions they can get. I don't think the Republicans are interested for 2 reasons; 1) the think it's a bad bill 2) if they think that some of the reforms might actually help they don't want to give Obama the victory.
I just don't see Republicans being at all interested in any form of health care reform.

From what I see, read and hear I beleive it's #1. And I don't think the rebubs aren't interested in reform, i think they don't beleive it needs a total overhaul

I stated this before so I'll do it again, What we have before us now is the cart before the horse. The DEMS have come out with a solution without properly finding out what the problem is! The number of the 'uninsured " ranges from 15 to 50 million. Those numbers would require vastly different reforms
(analogy ,,, you car has A flat ,,,your car has a blown engine AND transmission,,, does the mechanic fix it the same way?)_

760 [deleted]  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 6:15:17pm
761 Diego  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 6:15:19pm

re: #750 Van Helsing

You brought that up before - ever find a link?
Because this one gop amendments
doesn't show that.


I was incorrect in that it was the HELP bill, not one of the House bills.

UPDATE: The Senate Health, Education, Labor and Pensions Committee has just passed health care reform legislation that contains a public plan option. Despite the fact that 160 Republican amendments were accepted, the bill still did not garner any Republican votes.

[Link: thinkprogress.org...]

My bad.

762 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 6:15:48pm

re: #752 Killian Bundy

It's possible. The party that has the white house usually looses seats in the next election. That is a safe bet. However, don't think that the average American is going to be blind to what is going on. The average American is starting to thing that GOP = red neck and the GOP is trying to push GOP= redneck. I am betting that this will backfire in the long run.

763 kcladderman  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 6:15:52pm

re: #757 LudwigVanQuixote

It really isn't my fault that you are stupid, uneducated and incapable of reason.

You also don't know when to quite.

lol

764 Racer X  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 6:16:11pm

re: #739 LudwigVanQuixote

Because Obama's central message of hope was bought by the average American. This means that Americans hope that stuff will get done. The GOP's message of "we have no ideas of our own except to shout crazy and easily disproved conspiracy stuff," whilst being obstructionist, will not sway Americans who are fed up with the system. The Republicans are seen as part of the problem and even if Obama's solutions are not the best, they will be seen as those who didn't try to fix anything.

Got it.

Republicans caused the mess we are in.

Well, lets let the Democrats get us out then. We'll see how that works out. So far we're looking at a NINE trillion dollar deficit. So far it ain't looking good. And when millions of people are still waiting for this wonderful health care next year, and the infrastructure to deliver it has not been implemented yet, heads will roll. Democrat heads.

America is bankrupt. Now is not the time to spend like drunken sailors. Democrats do not agree with this statement, so have at it then.

765 sattv4u2  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 6:16:22pm

re: #749 LudwigVanQuixote

I don't want anyone to die Tax. I am saying that the R's are no longer the R's I once respected. They mutated into something very stupid and very scary. If they can not fix themselves then it is best that they disappear and get replaced by a more sensible conservative party.

And what have the "D"s mutated into? I was a "D" in the late 60's through the sevnties. I haven't changed but now find myself more alligned with the "R's

766 Diego  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 6:16:51pm

re: #763 kcladderman

Or maybe 'quit'?

767 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 6:17:07pm

re: #757 LudwigVanQuixote

Walter really, I am not interested.. but if you must...

It is because there is a case to be made for it. Unlike your claim that Urban II didn't start the crusades...

It really isn't my fault that you are stupid, uneducated and incapable of reason.

You also don't know when to quite.

Link to any quote by me that Urban did not start the crusade. Show me where I said that.

The search is on. Betcha he can't find it.

768 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 6:17:11pm

re: #758 unrealizedviewpoint

I just get all warm and fuzzy when the liberals speak of how they want a strong GOP, a GOP they can respect. Yeah right!

I'm not a liberal.

PArt of the problem with the GOP these days is that they assume that anyone who isn't as far to the right of them must be a liberal and therefore must be wrong about all things.

I want ANY party I could respect.

Both suck, but for different reasons.

769 Killian Bundy  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 6:17:44pm

re: #762 LudwigVanQuixote

However, don't think that the average American is going to be blind to what is going on. The average American is starting to thing that GOP = red neck and the GOP is trying to push GOP= redneck. I am betting that this will backfire in the long run.

That's what you think.

/that's not what the polls are indicating

770 Diego  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 6:18:00pm

Actually, I was a Republican until Bush invaded Iraq.

At that point I was finished with him, and them. Going by how they are now, I'll never be going back (or certainly not any time soon).

771 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 6:18:15pm

re: #763 kcladderman

It really isn't my fault that you are stupid, uneducated and incapable of reason.

You also don't know when to quite.

lol

OK that typo was funny. I'll grant you that!

772 TheMatrix31  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 6:19:14pm

re: #770 Diego

Actually, I was a Republican until Bush invaded Iraq.

At that point I was finished with him, and them. Going by how they are now, I'll never be going back (or certainly not any time soon).

Have fun then.

773 Diego  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 6:19:57pm

re: #758 unrealizedviewpoint

I just get all warm and fuzzy when the liberals speak of how they want a strong GOP, a GOP they can respect. Yeah right!

It's a two party system for a reason and both are needed for effective government. A fact the GOP has dropped while they search for their bible and their gun. (and their morals)

774 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 6:20:02pm

re: #770 Diego

Actually, I was a Republican until Bush invaded Iraq.

At that point I was finished with him, and them. Going by how they are now, I'll never be going back (or certainly not any time soon).

And Obama certainly got us out of all that!

775 pianobuff  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 6:20:33pm

re: #739 LudwigVanQuixote

Because Obama's central message of hope was bought by the average American. This means that Americans hope that stuff will get done. The GOP's message of "we have no ideas of our own except to shout crazy and easily disproved conspiracy stuff," whilst being obstructionist, will not sway Americans who are fed up with the system. The Republicans are seen as part of the problem and even if Obama's solutions are not the best, they will be seen as those who didn't try to fix anything.

As insane as it may sound to you, D popularity and Obama's popularity continues to go down. Even without coherent voices in the GOP and despite nutters showing up out of the fringe, Republicans are now polling better against Dems than they have in a long time. It's not because they have their act together. It's not because they have leadership effectively doing a full court press. It's not because the media is trying their best to show Republicans in a favorable light.

It's because the American public at large is rejecting the shift, spending, etc.

In some recent polls, more Americans would rather wait and do nothing right now than pass the health reform that's out there. That's not right wing loons, Alex Jones conspiracy kooks, or LaRouchians.

Obstructing is probably not a sustainable strategy for R's. But for now, all of the polling indicates that the majority of Americans are saying "Time Out on the Spending!".

The fact that the GOP is so woefully over-matched and yet the polls continue to work in their favor is validation to me that this is truly the public speaking, and not being "led" to a conclusion.

776 [deleted]  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 6:20:56pm
777 Van Helsing  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 6:21:35pm

re: #761 Diego

My bad.

And with those 160 republican amendments the bill summary is 22 pages long?
PDF
This summary is actually readable.
Must find entire bill...

778 unrealizedviewpoint  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 6:21:38pm

re: #768 LudwigVanQuixote

I'm not a liberal.

PArt of the problem with the GOP these days is that they assume that anyone who isn't as far to the right of them must be a liberal and therefore must be wrong about all things.

I want ANY party I could respect.

Both suck, but for different reasons.

I don't see the sky falling on the R's (any longer) as you do. This is a rebuilding, wound licking period. Many are strategizing for the upcoming election season. On the other hand the Dem's are burying their futures in Stimulus/socialism, Healthcare/socialism, Cap&tax/socialism. It'll be the death of em.

779 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 6:22:01pm

re: #776 buzzsawmonkey

Poor fellow is stuck between Iraq and a hard place.

And he didn't even get an Afghan out of it.

780 Diego  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 6:23:17pm

re: #774 Walter L. Newton

And Obama certainly got us out of all that!


You're knocking him for keeping close to Bush's timetable??

781 unrealizedviewpoint  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 6:23:43pm

re: #770 Diego

Actually, I was a Republican until Bush invaded Iraq.

At that point I was finished with him, and them. Going by how they are now, I'll never be going back (or certainly not any time soon).

From what I've read here, you may have pulled a lever, but you were never a republican.

782 Syrah  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 6:23:54pm

re: #740 Diego

'Democrats' will. 'Conservative Democrats, who are making a bundle out of not voting for it, as well as trying to save their asses in the districts they are from, will/are not.

How about you work out the problems with those in your party who are more like you then the Republicans are, and then we can talk.

If you can't get your "conservative" Democrats to vote for the fetid thing, then you can't really expect the Republicans to carry your water for you.

783 [deleted]  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 6:23:57pm
784 LGoPs  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 6:24:32pm

re: #768 LudwigVanQuixote

I'm not a liberal.

PArt of the problem with the GOP these days is that they assume that anyone who isn't as far to the right of them must be a liberal and therefore must be wrong about all things.

I want ANY party I could respect.

Both suck, but for different reasons.

Personally I am proud to be a member of a party that you don't respect.
I'd be worried if I was.

785 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 6:24:57pm

re: #780 Diego

You're knocking him for keeping close to Bush's timetable??

Yes, I'm knocking him because I don't think we should have gone in there, and I told you above, I don't/didn't like Bush.

Yes, I'm knocking him because he promised to get us out, to stop all this waste of life and money.

Yes, I'm knocking him because he has no principle.

Play again?

786 sattv4u2  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 6:25:40pm

re: #782 Syrah

How about you work out the problems with those in your party who are more like you then the Republicans are, and then we can talk.

If you can't get your "conservative" Democrats to vote for the fetid thing, then you can't really expect the Republicans to carry your water for you.

I'm going to upding your next 5 comments regardless of what they are because I can only give this post ONE!

787 Van Helsing  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 6:25:41pm

re: #777 Van Helsing

And with those 160 republican amendments the bill summary is 22 pages long?
PDF
This summary is actually readable.
Must find entire bill...

Here: Senate HELP bill - 615 pages

788 unrealizedviewpoint  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 6:26:14pm

re: #786 sattv4u2

...

789 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 6:26:26pm

BBIAB - supper - talk among yourself.

790 unrealizedviewpoint  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 6:26:35pm

re: #786 sattv4u2

...

791 unrealizedviewpoint  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 6:26:46pm

re: #786 sattv4u2

I'm going to upding your next 5 comments regardless of what they are because I can only give this post ONE!

...

792 sattv4u2  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 6:27:01pm

re: #790 unrealizedviewpoint

...

}}}

793 unrealizedviewpoint  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 6:27:03pm

I'm a whore
/

794 sattv4u2  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 6:27:33pm

re: #793 unrealizedviewpoint

I'm a whore
/

crack, cheap or high priced?

795 Diego  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 6:27:53pm

re: #781 unrealizedviewpoint

From what I've read here, you may have pulled a lever, but you were never a republican.

So now I'm a liar and you're a mystic?

796 flyers1974  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 6:28:07pm

re: #758 unrealizedviewpoint

I just get all warm and fuzzy when the liberals speak of how they want a strong GOP, a GOP they can respect. Yeah right!

I don't know, I think people on both sides wipe away the same pretend tear while claiming to pine away for the days when the other party was sane and rational. If only they hadn't gone over to the dark side, they used to be normal people, etc... . I've heard this said of the Dems many times. We all play the same game.

797 unrealizedviewpoint  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 6:28:35pm

re: #792 sattv4u2

}}}

I thought you said you were going to upding the next 5 regardless what they said. I read it wrong.
:9

798 [deleted]  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 6:29:43pm
799 Killian Bundy  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 6:29:45pm

Sens. Boxer, Kerry delay climate bill

Sens. Barbara Boxer and John Kerry said Monday the climate bill they are writing would not be finished until later in September.

The bill was expected to be ready when lawmakers returned next week.

No, c'mon, bring it on! The timing is perfect for spewing forth another massive government boondoggle that'll cost the American taxpayers trillions of dollars, put the country deeper in debt, and castrate the economy.

Seriously, go ahead and stick your Democrat fingers in the light socket, again. Big bonus points if you can get "card check" on the agenda too.

/talk about a political death wish

800 Syrah  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 6:30:30pm

Dinner time, back in 3hrs.

See y'all then.

801 Diego  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 6:31:16pm

re: #800 Syrah

Dinner time, back in 3hrs.

Chow :¬)

802 sattv4u2  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 6:31:16pm

re: #797 unrealizedviewpoint

I thought you said you were going to upding the next 5 regardless what they said. I read it wrong.
:9

Syrahs next 5 ,, not ANYONES!!

803 LGoPs  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 6:32:17pm

re: #795 Diego

So now I'm a liar and you're a mystic?

Don't know what you are but I smell BS when you say you were a Republican. And that is based on the content and the tone of your comments, not mysticism.

804 JCM  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 6:32:44pm

re: #799 Killian Bundy

Sens. Boxer, Kerry delay climate bill

No, c'mon, bring it on! The timing is perfect for spewing forth another massive government boondoggle that'll cost the American taxpayers trillions of dollars, put the country deeper in debt, and castrate the economy.

Seriously, go ahead and stick your Democrat fingers in the light socket, again. Big bonus points if you can get "card check" on the agenda too.

/talk about a political death wish

Climate Bill, I like the name of that.

Legislators now believe they can legislate what the climate can, and cannot do.

805 JCM  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 6:33:21pm

re: #800 Syrah

Dinner time, back in 3hrs.

See y'all then.

Dinner takes 3 hours? I'm eating at your place...

806 unrealizedviewpoint  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 6:33:43pm

re: #795 Diego

So now I'm a liar and you're a mystic?

Obviously I need explain the simplest of concepts.
I said:

"From what I've read here, you may have pulled a lever, but you were never a republican."

The simple pulling of a lever at a polling station does not make one a republican. Only one's beliefs and values do that. You sir have not demonstrated one iota of conservatism here today. You were never a republican. Maybe one day though. Good luck!

807 unrealizedviewpoint  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 6:34:41pm

re: #802 sattv4u2

Syrahs next 5 ,, not ANYONES!!

I need drop this Evelyn Wood Speed Reading.

808 sattv4u2  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 6:36:08pm

BBL ,,, damn work ,, Imagine the nerve of this client, They actually expect me to put their baseball game up on satellite on time!! shheeesshhh!!

809 Diego  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 6:37:00pm

re: #803 LGoPs

Don't know what you are but I smell BS when you say you were a Republican. And that is based on the content and the tone of your comments, not mysticism.

I don't know what you are smelling, but I don't think it's coming through your screen.

I loved Bush Sr, hated carter, couldn't stand Clinton and think Gore is a weirdo. But Jr was a whole 'nother matter. I was glad he won, supported his actions in Afghanistan, but he disappointed me greatly with Iraq.

Believe whatever you like about me, that's up to you. People can change and in my case, and going by the actions of the GOP in the last year, I'm damn glad I did.

If I hadn't dropped them already, I would have by now. They're nuts.

810 flyers1974  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 6:37:51pm

re: #807 unrealizedviewpoint

I need drop this Evelyn Wood Speed Reading.

That's a blast from the past, I remember the commercials for "Elelyn speed reading Dynamics" from the early 80's.

811 unrealizedviewpoint  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 6:38:32pm

re: #799 Killian Bundy

Sens. Boxer, Kerry delay climate bill

No, c'mon, bring it on! The timing is perfect for spewing forth another massive government boondoggle that'll cost the American taxpayers trillions of dollars, put the country deeper in debt, and castrate the economy.

Seriously, go ahead and stick your Democrat fingers in the light socket, again. Big bonus points if you can get "card check" on the agenda too.

/talk about a political death wish

Excellent!
I'm rolling on the floor laughing my ass off.
No acronyms for you.

812 Diego  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 6:41:24pm

And just in case you don't know where I believe I stand: I consider myself a moderate Democrat. I know you will not agree and that's fine.

813 LGoPs  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 6:42:46pm

re: #812 Diego

And just in case you don't know where I believe I stand: I consider myself a moderate Democrat. I know you will not agree and that's fine.

You still have a funny nose.
/

814 LGoPs  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 6:43:14pm

Later lizards

815 Diego  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 6:44:09pm

re: #813 LGoPs

You still have a funny nose.

I'm sure I have no idea what you mean by that :¬)

816 LGoPs  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 6:45:04pm

re: #815 Diego

I'm sure I have no idea what you mean by that :¬)

Look upthread at my # 372.
:)

817 Diego  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 6:46:24pm

;)

818 aboo-Hoo-Hoo  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 6:57:29pm

re: #779 Walter L. Newton

And he didn't even get an Afghan out of it.

in bed.

819 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 7:00:30pm

Back, but we are going to watch Bananas, so, see you all later.

Oh, and by the way, got two Christians on the rack tonight, torture at midnight, fun, fun...

/

820 [deleted]  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 7:03:35pm
821 Spare O'Lake  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 7:08:57pm

Da devil made me do it
- Flip Wilson in drag

Ah doan care how God does it
- Broughton the freak

822 FrogMarch  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 7:13:53pm

re: #704 JCM

Challenged by one Republican senator over the contents of the package, the new president, according to participants, replied: “I won.”

The debate is over. Barakc want's a single payer "public option" that will lead to single payer system.

823 FrogMarch  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 7:16:12pm

Barack pimf

824 FrogMarch  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 7:16:40pm

wants (with out the apostrophe) d'oh pimf

825 Cato the Elder  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 7:38:11pm

Never attend a church in a strip mall. Or one with big ugly signs that could just as easily read "Szechuan King Diner and Carryout". Or one that can't even afford matching stacking chairs.

826 Desert Dog  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 7:40:35pm

I missed the best thread of the day! darn

827 BARACK THE VOTE  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 8:16:39pm

I realise we've rolled on quite a bit from the original topic, but I'd like to point out that this isn't the only time a pastor has called for Obama's death.

The Rev. Wiley Drake, the former second VP of the Southern Baptist Association, was on Fox Radio in June talking about praying for Obama's death:

Pastor Asks God to Smite President Obama

As if President Obama doesn’t have enough to deal with - what with civil unrest in Iran, wars in Afghanistan and Iraq, and economic malaise at home - now he’s also got a Southern Baptist minister praying for his death.

The Rev. Wiley Drake, pastor of the First Southern Baptist Church in Buena Park, Calif., told Fox News Radio earlier this month that he was practicing “imprecatory prayer” – a divine curse – that would bring about Obama’s death.

“So you’re praying for his death?” asked the show’s host, Alan Colmes.

“Yes.”

“So you’re praying for the death of the president of the United States?”

“Yes.”

The pugnacious pastor later elaborated: “If he does not turn to God and does not turn his life around, I am asking God to enforce imprecatory prayers that are throughout the Scripture that would cause him death, that’s correct.”

828 shortshrift  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 8:26:03pm

re: #768 LudwigVanQuixote

I'm not a liberal.

PArt of the problem with the GOP these days is that they assume that anyone who isn't as far to the right of them must be a liberal and therefore must be wrong about all things.

I want ANY party I could respect.

Both suck, but for different reasons.

But, as things stand you would vote for Obama, right? I thought you clarified that on the last thread.

829 shortshrift  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 8:35:53pm

re: #827 iceweasel

My word, no. Men of God have prayed for the death of their enemies from the moment they learned of the efficacy of prayer. It is just a matter of timing. Death is quite certain when entrusted to God.

830 Charles Johnson  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 8:44:10pm

Wow. And now we have someone at LGF who applauds praying for death.

That's your last comment at LGF.

831 Cato the Elder  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 8:45:20pm

re: #829 shortshrift

My word, no. Men of God who imagine they've got God's ear have prayed for the death of their enemies from the moment they learned of the efficacy of prayer fantasized that mumbling and making gestures had any effect on anything. It is just a matter of timing - that is to say, if you get the timing right, some idiots will always fall for the post hoc ergo propter hoc fallacy. Death is quite certain, when entrusted to God period.

FTFY

If you were serious, you're a theological moron. If not, I made your satire plainer.

832 unrealizedviewpoint  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 8:59:58pm

re: #827 iceweasel

I suppose WestBoro Baptist Church, Pastor-N-Loon Fred Phelps prays for Obama's death too.

833 BARACK THE VOTE  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 9:00:52pm

re: #831 Cato the Elder

FTFY

If you were serious, you're a theological moron. If not, I made your satire plainer.

I'm not so much bothered by the theological error as I am the breathtaking immorality and general ass-hatness of praying for someone's death, or endorsing anyone doing the same.

I really can't believe this. I said to myself, if I post this about Drake, is someone going to try to defend it? And then I thought, no, no way. Couldn't happen.

Just gobsmacked here. And disturbed.

834 BARACK THE VOTE  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 9:02:21pm

re: #832 unrealizedviewpoint

I suppose WestBoro Baptist Church, Pastor-N-Loon Fred Phelps prays for Obama's death too.

He probably does. I know he has some sites up about God hating America and smiting America, as well as his infamous ones about gay people, but I haven't looked at them recently and I wouldn't link them.

835 jordash1212  Mon, Aug 31, 2009 9:26:23pm

As my mother used to say, "You're walking on thin ice!"

836 Kenneth  Tue, Sep 1, 2009 3:41:30am

This quote is telling:

When asked if he was advocating violence against the President, Broughton said he wouldn’t answer the question directly.

“I don’t care how God does it, I’m not going into further detail than that,” said Broughton. “It would be better now than later.”

That statement is more than praying for Obama's death. It borders on incitement to murder.

837 Land Shark  Tue, Sep 1, 2009 7:23:49am

Hearing Christians praying for Obama to die or condoning the murder of abortion doctors is very disturbing to me as a Christian. I believe the majority of Christians reject this crazy stuff but I've been seeing way too many of these incidents lately for my taste. This "the end justifies the means" mentality is as far from Jesus as anything could be. All it takes is a few idiots taking matters into their hands for something sick and evil to happen.

I'm as opposed to Obama as you can get, but he is the democratically elected President whether we like it or not. I'd rather see tea parties and people yelling at town hall meetings, at least it's people expressing themselves and participating in the process as opposed to the madness some people are suggesting. I can understand how Obama and the Democrat's arrogance and high handed ways can anger people, but let's channel that anger and work within the framework of our republic. It's worked well for over 225 years now.

838 gregb  Tue, Sep 1, 2009 8:06:49am

Here's my stupid business idea for the day. Sell those guys cardboard cutouts of all their favorite weapons so they can go around wearing them in public without breaking any more laws.

A pic from Zombietime gave me the idea.
Image: 127-2789_IMG.JPG

839 [deleted]  Tue, Sep 1, 2009 8:28:55am
840 Charles Johnson  Tue, Sep 1, 2009 8:54:29am

Get off my website.

841 idioma  Tue, Sep 1, 2009 11:21:06am

Yet again, I say: This is America's Taliban.

I wonder how that sermon would sound in Arabic?


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