Sanford: God Wants Me to Be Governor

PoliticsSeptember 2009 • Views: 13,457

Philandering creationist governor Mark Sanford now says he’s being persecuted just like Sarah Palin: Sanford: Now I know what Palin felt like.

And he repeated his contention that God put him on Earth to be the governor of South Carolina. Sanford didn’t mention if God also planned for him to sneak off to Argentina and party with his mistress at taxpayers’ expense.

Sanford also told the Times that he is committed to staying in office to fight for his conservative, small-government beliefs because it’s what God put him on earth to do. The embattled governor has long sparred with Republicans in the legislature on matters of government spending.

“I feel absolutely committed to the cause, to what God wanted me to do with my life,” he said. “I have got this blessing of being engaged in a fight for liberty, which is constantly being threatened.”

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256 comments

laZardo Wed, Sep 2, 2009 9:00:59am

Not the "God card" again...

Kragar Wed, Sep 2, 2009 9:01:04am

No, he doesn't.

J.D. Wed, Sep 2, 2009 9:01:41am

What a mess he is.

MandyManners Wed, Sep 2, 2009 9:01:54am

Sarah Palin snuck off to a foreign nation on Alaskan resident's dime to conduct an affair?

MandyManners Wed, Sep 2, 2009 9:02:18am

I think I smell a narcissist.

Occasional Reader Wed, Sep 2, 2009 9:02:55am

Sanford didn’t mention if God also planned for him to sneak off to Argentina

"Che, of course He did... God is Argentinian, after all..."

/stereotypical Argentine jokes

sattv4u2 Wed, Sep 2, 2009 9:02:57am

Dear Gov.

I just spoke to God, and unfortunatetly for you, HE doesn;t seem to be a registered voter in the State Of South Carolina.

But He did say "Me Bless" if thats any consolation!

BignJames Wed, Sep 2, 2009 9:02:57am

I'll be moving back to SC later this year or early next year...I'm weary of this twit.

Honorary Yooper Wed, Sep 2, 2009 9:03:04am

If Sanford is thinking this way, maybe a padded room should be his next stop after leaving the governor's mansion. God cares not who is or isn't governor of South Carolina.

MandyManners Wed, Sep 2, 2009 9:03:14am

He is a shameless hussy.

Yes, men can be hussies.

sattv4u2 Wed, Sep 2, 2009 9:03:52am

re: #10 MandyManners

He is a shameless hussy.

Yes, men can be hussies.

I try ,,, Lord knows I try!

Athos Wed, Sep 2, 2009 9:04:19am

Just resign already...

Don't let the door hit you on the way out...

Honorary Yooper Wed, Sep 2, 2009 9:04:36am

Where's Space Jesus when you need him to give an answer for God?

MandyManners Wed, Sep 2, 2009 9:04:44am

If I were Palin, I'd deliver him a verbal smack-down.

Desert Dog Wed, Sep 2, 2009 9:04:47am

God may want you to be Governor, I just want you to go away.

KenJen Wed, Sep 2, 2009 9:04:49am

He is mentally ill. I feel sorry for his children.

BignJames Wed, Sep 2, 2009 9:04:50am

re: #10 MandyManners

re: #11 sattv4u2

Yeah...I'm easy.

BlueCanuck Wed, Sep 2, 2009 9:04:52am

I wonder if any one has hit him yet with the 10 commandments? I think he's broken a few of those.

MandyManners Wed, Sep 2, 2009 9:05:08am

re: #11 sattv4u2

I try ,,, Lord knows I try!

In...oh, you get the point.

Dianna Wed, Sep 2, 2009 9:05:22am

I don't think the deity is his own overweening pride and desires.

Go away, Governor. Please.

laZardo Wed, Sep 2, 2009 9:05:45am

Headin' to bed. Cheers.

Athos Wed, Sep 2, 2009 9:06:02am

I think he is misunderstanding what God is telling him...

He's only hearing what he wants to hear.

Occasional Reader Wed, Sep 2, 2009 9:06:06am

Mark Sandford needs Fred Sanford to inform him that he's a "dummy".

yma o hyd Wed, Sep 2, 2009 9:06:37am

Un-be-lievable!

So God wants him to be governor - what about honouring the promise he made when marrying? does he think God is ok with that?

I truly despise those cowards who think they can hide their ambition behind 'God wants me to .. '.

sattv4u2 Wed, Sep 2, 2009 9:06:46am

re: #19 MandyManners

In...oh, you get the point.

That must hurt!

Mine's not pointy!!

BAD SATT ,,, BAD BAD BAD

The Other Les Wed, Sep 2, 2009 9:06:48am

Some people wonder why I'm an atheist.

KenJen Wed, Sep 2, 2009 9:06:49am

re: #13 Honorary Yooper

Where's Space Jesus when you need him to give an answer for God?

He is busy exploring the final frontier.

Desert Dog Wed, Sep 2, 2009 9:06:51am

An Ode to the Gov.

Youtube Video

Occasional Reader Wed, Sep 2, 2009 9:07:01am

re: #23 Occasional Reader

Mark Sandford

Gah. Sanford.

bj1126 Wed, Sep 2, 2009 9:07:05am

God certainly didn't want him to cheat on his wife and destroy his marriage. Why is he deciding to listen now?

MandyManners Wed, Sep 2, 2009 9:07:22am

In Alaska, any individual citizen can file an ethics complaint against the governor – a scenario that allowed political critics in the state to deluge the governor's office with accusations. But in South Carolina, the state Ethics Commission probe was called for by multiple high-ranking elected officials in Sanford's own party, and the governor has agreed to make the proceedings of the probe open to the public.

Does this mean that citizens cannot file such complaints in S.C.?

J.D. Wed, Sep 2, 2009 9:07:32am

re: #15 Desert Dog

God may want you to be Governor, I just want you to go away.

Good one.

wee fury Wed, Sep 2, 2009 9:07:45am

The 'G-d' card is not working in your case, Sanford.

pat Wed, Sep 2, 2009 9:07:55am

Well Pat wants you to shut up, retire, and get some rest.

Creeping Eruption Wed, Sep 2, 2009 9:08:01am

Well, there is an astute political move. Tie yourself in with a falling star and back it up with a nice endorsement from God.

///

DaddyG Wed, Sep 2, 2009 9:08:08am

Being Governor must fall somewhere in between infidelity, whoredoms and loving a lie on the list of what God wants Sanford to do.

Methinks his inspiration receptor is a bit out of whack.

debutaunt Wed, Sep 2, 2009 9:08:11am

re: #29 Occasional Reader

Gah. Sanford.

Comedy = spelling.

MandyManners Wed, Sep 2, 2009 9:08:15am

re: #30 bj1126

God certainly didn't want him to cheat on his wife and destroy his marriage. Why is he deciding to listen now?

Because it's ALL about his wants, his ego.

A Man for all Seasons Wed, Sep 2, 2009 9:08:55am

God Told me that he wants me to be Gov. of the Universe..
Still waiting Senate Confirmation...Lazy bastards.
/

lawhawk Wed, Sep 2, 2009 9:09:17am

Sanford is wrong. He doesn't know what G-d wants him to do because G-d told ME what to do. And G-d told ME that Sanford should go*

How about those apples.

*Okay, I stretched things a bit. G-d didn't speak to me deep inside my Zionist compound in the NYC metro area. I saw the violation of his marital bonds with his wife - the adultery (a violation of the Ten Commandments btw), and the political mess ensuing from possibly using government funds to aid his adultery and determined that his asinine behavior cannot be tolerated. He's a political disaster. He's a dead-man-walking, and worst of all, he thinks religious zeal will save him from that fate. All he's doing is giving ammunition to his opposition - whether it's moderates in the GOP or the Democrats in general, and he will be sent packing when election day comes.

Honorary Yooper Wed, Sep 2, 2009 9:09:18am

re: #18 BlueCanuck

I wonder if any one has hit him yet with the 10 commandments? I think he's broken a few of those.

Let's see...

You shall not commit adultery.
He's definately broken that one.

You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor.
He's lied several times over this affair.

You shall not steal.
He's stolen from the people of South Carolina (fuel, time).

And with this latest nonsense, he's broken this one,
You shall not make wrongful use of the name of your God.
Claiming that God wants him to be governor definately violates this one.

I count four at a minimum.

[deleted] Wed, Sep 2, 2009 9:09:32am

Ojoe Wed, Sep 2, 2009 9:09:46am

Also G-d wanted you to run around after your dick & generally make a mess of things and have a hard time staying governor ?

Does not compute

Open the pod bay door Hal

Shiplord Kirel Wed, Sep 2, 2009 9:09:50am

Well, governor, I've consulted some of the gods I know and they say the following:
Allah says it's ok with him, especially since you only have one wife to cheat on and she's nearly as old as you are anyway.
Cthulhu orders you to bite me.
Odin calls for a virgin sacrifice if you can find one, and pronounces a curse on your barley crop if you can't.
Zeus was laughing too hard to say much.
Aphodite says no, you cannot have her phone number.
Jesus said something about cleansing the temple.

unrealizedviewpoint Wed, Sep 2, 2009 9:09:56am

Cato said this yesterday:

Hoops, God love you, because it's you: I will leave Sarah and everything about her to others' tender mercies for a month. Starting today.

Unless she and Bachmann get together with Beck and start a coup. Then all bets are off.

I'm worried for Cato. Unable to comment, what's he gonna do?

Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Sep 2, 2009 9:10:08am

Dear Mark,
God wanted me to be out of work for a year, so I know what you are saying, dog. We should listen to God.

/ [deleted comment]

Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Wed, Sep 2, 2009 9:10:11am

Sanford: "So what do you expect, God? Do you expect me to be Governor?"
The Lord: "No, Mr. Sanford. I expect you to die."

/Okay, so it's REALLY bad, but I tried

opnion Wed, Sep 2, 2009 9:11:10am

That's convenient, God want's him to stay. Can't really argue with that,
he is just doing Gods will.
Really nice that he dragged Palin into it. I don't care what anybody thinks of her, she did not diagrace her state this way.

J.D. Wed, Sep 2, 2009 9:11:50am

re: #43 Ojoe

Also G-d wanted you to run around after your dick & generally make a mess of things and have a hard time staying governor ?

Does not compute

Open the pod bay door Hal

Too bad it can't work that way. Really.

Dianna Wed, Sep 2, 2009 9:12:20am

re: #45 unrealizedviewpoint

Cato said this yesterday:

I'm worried for Cato. Unable to comment, what's he gonna do?

He'll be fine, really, and we'll all like him better when he's commenting sensibly and snarkily, instead of spewing bile.

Pianobuff Wed, Sep 2, 2009 9:12:20am

Says Mark Sanford:

“I have got this blessing of being engaged in a fight for liberty, which is constantly being threatened...in bed".

MandyManners Wed, Sep 2, 2009 9:12:37am

re: #41 Honorary Yooper

Let's see...

You shall not commit adultery.
He's definately broken that one.

You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor.
He's lied several times over this affair.

You shall not steal.
He's stolen from the people of South Carolina (fuel, time).

And with this latest nonsense, he's broken this one,
You shall not make wrongful use of the name of your God.
Claiming that God wants him to be governor definately violates this one.

I count four at a minimum.

I think he's busy making an idol of himself.

Altermite Wed, Sep 2, 2009 9:12:49am

re: #45 unrealizedviewpoint

Cato said this yesterday:

I'm worried for Cato. Unable to comment, what's he gonna do?

He's off and done stuff and hasn't commented for a while before. I'm sure he'll be fine.

If you really want to know, you can ask him about it a month from now.

Mostly sane, most of the time. Wed, Sep 2, 2009 9:12:50am

Lots of guys would like to know what Sarah Palin feels like.

They're just afraid that Todd would punch them for it.

lawhawk Wed, Sep 2, 2009 9:12:50am

re: #51 Pianobuff

Says Mark Sanford:

“I have got this blessing of being engaged in a fight for liberty, which is constantly being threatened...in bed".

Hey, how'd you get my fortune cookie?!

TheOtherCanadian Wed, Sep 2, 2009 9:12:56am

"There are many things that we would throw away if we were not afraid that others might pick them up.” - Someone Famous

Occasional Reader Wed, Sep 2, 2009 9:13:12am

re: #42 buzzsawmonkey

Don't buy your confirmation suit just yet...

Back when I was in CCD class preparing for Confirmation, they told us that we should pick, of course, a Confirmation name. Preferably, something from out of the Bible.

So I picked "Snake".

/shamelessly stolen from some comedian

The Other Les Wed, Sep 2, 2009 9:13:21am

re: #13 Honorary Yooper

Where's Space Jesus when you need him to give an answer for God?

I was going to suggest that the governor be introduced to Space Moose, but then I thought better of it.

Son of the Black Dog Wed, Sep 2, 2009 9:13:23am

re: #5 MandyManners

I think I smell a narcissist.

Scratch a narcissist - find a politician.

sattv4u2 Wed, Sep 2, 2009 9:13:26am

re: #50 Dianna

He'll be fine, really, and we'll all like him better when he's commenting sensibly and snarkily, instead of spewing bile.

He'll just lock and load on another target for 30 days!

DaddyG Wed, Sep 2, 2009 9:13:53am

Sanford's been reading the NKJV (Nihilist Kook Justification Version) of the Bible.

MandyManners Wed, Sep 2, 2009 9:14:05am

re: #52 MandyManners

I think he's busy making an idol of himself.

He sure is making an ass of himself.

Occasional Reader Wed, Sep 2, 2009 9:14:09am

re: #52 MandyManners

I think he's busy making an idol of himself.

In bed.

/sorry, realwest

MandyManners Wed, Sep 2, 2009 9:14:26am

re: #59 Son of the Black Dog

Scratch a narcissist - find a politician.

That occupation seems to attract quite a few.

MajorTom Wed, Sep 2, 2009 9:14:32am

Jesus H. Christ.

Considering that he's broken a fair number of the commandments, I doubt God wants him to be anything beyond humble and asking for forgiveness... oh wait, to late for that too.

Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Wed, Sep 2, 2009 9:14:45am

re: #62 MandyManners

He sure is making an ass of himself.

One thousand updings. And for a reply to yourself, too.

Sharmuta Wed, Sep 2, 2009 9:15:37am

God wants you to quit using Him to justify yourself!

MandyManners Wed, Sep 2, 2009 9:15:59am

re: #41 Honorary Yooper

Let's see...

You shall not commit adultery.
He's definately broken that one.

You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor.
He's lied several times over this affair.

You shall not steal.
He's stolen from the people of South Carolina (fuel, time).

And with this latest nonsense, he's broken this one,
You shall not make wrongful use of the name of your God.
Claiming that God wants him to be governor definately violates this one.

I count four at a minimum.

Is he putting his ego/office ahead of God?

Athos Wed, Sep 2, 2009 9:16:07am

I see the little head is still doing the thinking for Sanford...

Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Wed, Sep 2, 2009 9:16:11am

re: #67 Sharmuta

God wants you to quit using Him to justify yourself!

If only more people would listen to this advice. If God really told you to do something, you more than likely wouldn't have to justify it to anyone. IDIOT.

MandyManners Wed, Sep 2, 2009 9:16:26am

re: #65 MajorTom

Jesus H. Christ.

Considering that he's broken a fair number of the commandments, I doubt God wants him to be anything beyond humble and asking for forgiveness... oh wait, to late for that too.

It's never too late.

Creeping Eruption Wed, Sep 2, 2009 9:16:29am

Has this idiot moved his soul mate in to the Gov. Mansion yet since his wife and kids left him?

MandyManners Wed, Sep 2, 2009 9:16:40am

re: #66 thedopefishlives

One thousand updings. And for a reply to yourself, too.

Thank you!

J.D. Wed, Sep 2, 2009 9:17:29am

Notes on a Scandal

Jenny Sanford opens up to Rebecca Johnson about being a political wife—and the affair that changed it all.

How could she have married such a moron?

MandyManners Wed, Sep 2, 2009 9:17:29am

Why does God need a governorship?

teleskiguy Wed, Sep 2, 2009 9:17:50am

This idiot-stick is doing a wonderful job relegating the G.O.P. to a minority regional party with no influence on national politics. As Charles has noted, the top people in the G.O.P. that may run for president in 2012 are creationist and use religion for political gain, when we lizards all know that religion is for personal salvation. Mark Sanford was put here by God to be governor of South Carolina? He actually thinks that? What a disgrace! What an arrogant son of a bitch!

unrealizedviewpoint Wed, Sep 2, 2009 9:18:01am

Sorry, I shouldn't have OT'd and brought Cato into the thread (specially so early). I thought it humorous Palin was mentioned so early after he made the pledge.

Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Wed, Sep 2, 2009 9:18:02am

re: #72 Creeping Eruption

Has this idiot moved his soul mate in to the Gov. Mansion yet since his wife and kids left him?

Why would he do that when he can get taxpayer-subsidized vacations to beautiful Argentina?

LGoPs Wed, Sep 2, 2009 9:18:22am

re: #45 unrealizedviewpoint

Cato said this yesterday:

I'm worried for Cato. Unable to comment, what's he gonna do?

I'll bet it was that Sarah Palin mask I was wearing when I said BOO! to him that drove him off...
/

opnion Wed, Sep 2, 2009 9:18:31am

re: #39 HoosierHoops

God Told me that he wants me to be Gov. of the Universe..
Still waiting Senate Confirmation...Lazy bastards.
/

Back off Hoops. God wants me to be Governor of the Universe, I have the email.

MajorTom Wed, Sep 2, 2009 9:18:55am

re: #71 MandyManners

Very true, though I was more commenting on his apparent inability to be so rather than his opportunity to be so.

MandyManners Wed, Sep 2, 2009 9:19:00am

Does he covet the powers others have?

Sharmuta Wed, Sep 2, 2009 9:19:13am

re: #70 thedopefishlives

If only more people would listen to this advice. If God really told you to do something, you more than likely wouldn't have to justify it to anyone. IDIOT.

I would think God is more tired of people using Him than I am, and I'm pretty sick of it. It's called Free Will.

Isn't Pride a deadly sin?

pat Wed, Sep 2, 2009 9:19:14am

I see Obama's Strong approval rating is at -12. Lowest yet and he is on vacation. I suspect the Van Jones tapes all over the internet and Fox are having some effect.

Ben Hur Wed, Sep 2, 2009 9:19:16am

Funny, he told ME the same thing.

DaddyG Wed, Sep 2, 2009 9:19:25am

re: #80 opnion

Back off Hoops. God wants me to be Governor of the Universe, I have the email.

Did he ask you for your checking account number and a small depost too?

yma o hyd Wed, Sep 2, 2009 9:19:41am

re: #83 Sharmuta

I would think God is more tired of people using Him than I am, and I'm pretty sick of it. It's called Free Will.

Isn't Pride a deadly sin?

It is indeed - as is Lust.

wrenchwench Wed, Sep 2, 2009 9:19:44am

He's more committed to the Governor's chair than he was to his wife?

J.D. Wed, Sep 2, 2009 9:19:45am

re: #69 Athos

I see the little head is still doing the thinking for Sanford...

So size does matter?

Honorary Yooper Wed, Sep 2, 2009 9:19:46am

OT, it appears that a certain stalker site took down the altered Cox & Forkum cartoon they had been posting.

[deleted] Wed, Sep 2, 2009 9:19:49am

MandyManners Wed, Sep 2, 2009 9:20:21am

re: #81 MajorTom

Very true, though I was more commenting on his apparent inability to be so rather than his opportunity to be so.

I bolded "apparent" because we don't know what's in his heart.

However, we should listen to what he says and watch what he does. His fruits are rather sour.

califleftyb Wed, Sep 2, 2009 9:20:30am

Sanford is such a rookie at playing the God card - that is reserved only AFTER a being convicted of a crime! Guilty conscience?

Ben Hur Wed, Sep 2, 2009 9:20:33am

Why Your Coach Votes Republican

Mostly sane, most of the time. Wed, Sep 2, 2009 9:20:43am

re: #88 wrenchwench

He's more committed to the Governor's chair than he was to his wife?

The Governor's chair isn't likely to smack him any time soon.

Honorary Yooper Wed, Sep 2, 2009 9:20:48am

re: #68 MandyManners

Is he putting his ego/office ahead of God?

I would say so. That's definately breaking Commandment #1.

buster Wed, Sep 2, 2009 9:20:50am

Proof God has a sense of humor.

J.D. Wed, Sep 2, 2009 9:20:59am

re: #88 wrenchwench

He's more committed to the Governor's chair than he was to his wife?

All signs say yes.

Dad O' Blondes Wed, Sep 2, 2009 9:21:04am

No wonder Jenny Sanford left him, and took the kids with her.

This guy's a loser.

100

kytan Wed, Sep 2, 2009 9:21:22am

We seriously still have Divine Right? What is this, the Middle Ages? "God wants me/made me do it" is the kind of thing a 5 year old would say.

101

Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Wed, Sep 2, 2009 9:21:28am

re: #91 buzzsawmonkey

Sanford could have avoided all this if he'd only gone hiking naked like his aides said he did.

He WAS hiking naked. In bed.

/ducks

102

Danny Wed, Sep 2, 2009 9:21:32am

I have got this blessing of being engaged in a fight for ~~liberty~~ title of dumbest politician, which is constantly being threatened.”

Fixed

103

MandyManners Wed, Sep 2, 2009 9:21:48am

re: #96 Honorary Yooper

I would say so. That's definately breaking Commandment #1.

I feel kinda' bad about judging this man because I'm no where near perfect. However, he put it out there.

104

J.D. Wed, Sep 2, 2009 9:21:50am

re: #97 buster

Proof God has a sense of humor.

Perfect!

105

MandyManners Wed, Sep 2, 2009 9:22:02am

re: #97 buster

Proof God has a sense of humor.

That's the platypuss.

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yma o hyd Wed, Sep 2, 2009 9:22:04am

re: #100 kytan

We seriously still have Divine Right? What is this, the Middle Ages? "God wants me/made me do it" is the kind of thing a 5 year old would say.

Or someone with a serious mental problem.

107

jcm Wed, Sep 2, 2009 9:22:16am

God's wants you to Gov.?

What does God have to say? The following passage applies specifically to elders in the church, but in general the prinicpal applies to all who profess to be Christian and wish to be in positions of leadership.

1 Timothy 3:2-7
2 Now the overseer must be above reproach, the husband of but one wife, temperate, self-controlled, respectable, hospitable, able to teach, 3 not given to drunkenness, not violent but gentle, not quarrelsome, not a lover of money. 4 He must manage his own family well and see that his children obey him with proper respect. 5 (If anyone does not know how to manage his own family, how can he take care of God's church?) 6 He must not be a recent convert, or he may become conceited and fall under the same judgment as the devil. 7 He must also have a good reputation with outsiders, so that he will not fall into disgrace and into the devil's trap.

Gov. you fail the standard.

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opnion Wed, Sep 2, 2009 9:22:28am

re: #86 DaddyG

Did he ask you for your checking account number and a small depost too?

Yeah, he did & I gave them to Him. I mean it seems like small requests
for such a big job, how could I refuse?
It's all legitimate, right?

109

annar Wed, Sep 2, 2009 9:22:31am

Why can't this god entity just go on TV and explain his will and needs to the rest of us poor slobs. Of course, we know why but let the gov and others like him rave on, it's the circuses for the people part.

110

Honorary Yooper Wed, Sep 2, 2009 9:23:09am

re: #103 MandyManners

I feel kinda' bad about judging this man because I'm no where near perfect. However, he put it out there.

Very true, as I am not perfect either. I'm just listing which ones he has broken since he did put it out there.

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unrealizedviewpoint Wed, Sep 2, 2009 9:23:27am

re: #88 wrenchwench

He's more committed to the Governor's chair than he was to his wife?

Apparently, so is this former Governor.

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yma o hyd Wed, Sep 2, 2009 9:23:49am

re: #107 jcm

People like sanford have a direct line to God - they don't need to bother with such outdated stuff as the OT and indeed the NT!

113

SlartyBartfast Wed, Sep 2, 2009 9:23:50am

re: #107 jcm

Hear! Hear!

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Ben Hur Wed, Sep 2, 2009 9:23:51am

re: #103 MandyManners

I feel kinda' bad about judging this man because I'm no where near perfect. However, he put it out there.

Did he ever.

115

DaddyG Wed, Sep 2, 2009 9:23:53am

What if he's right and God is still upset about the whole succession from the union over slavery thing? /

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MandyManners Wed, Sep 2, 2009 9:23:55am

re: #110 Honorary Yooper

Very true, as I am not perfect either. I'm just listing which ones he has broken since he did put it out there.

That's not the only thing he "put out there".

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Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Wed, Sep 2, 2009 9:23:56am

re: #106 yma o hyd

Or someone with a serious mental problem.

Looking at some of the other things he's said, I wouldn't be surprised if he did.

118

Mad Prophet Ludwig Wed, Sep 2, 2009 9:24:08am

Apparently, G-d didn't tell him about the no stealing and no adultery...

119

MandyManners Wed, Sep 2, 2009 9:24:55am

Narcissism is NOT a mental illness. It's a personality disorder. It cannot be cured.

120

J.D. Wed, Sep 2, 2009 9:24:59am

re: #118 LudwigVanQuixote

Apparently, G-d didn't tell him about the no stealing and no adultery...

I'll bet he was hiking the Appalachian Trail the day they covered that.

121

Ben Hur Wed, Sep 2, 2009 9:25:18am

I used to think that Adultery was "acting like an adult."

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Charles Johnson Wed, Sep 2, 2009 9:25:34am

re: #90 Honorary Yooper

OT, it appears that a certain stalker site took down the altered Cox & Forkum cartoon they had been posting.

There's a surprise in the works for them too.

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John Neverbend Wed, Sep 2, 2009 9:25:57am

“I feel absolutely committed to the cause, to what God wanted me to do with my life.” - Sanford

This is the excellent foppery of the world, that,
when we are sick in fortune, -- often the surfeit
of our own behavior, -- we make guilty of our
disasters the sun, the moon, and the stars: as
if we were villains by necessity; fools by
heavenly compulsion; knaves, thieves, and
treachers, by spherical predominance; drunkards,
liars, and adulterers, by an enforced obedience of
planetary influence; and all that we are evil in,
by a divine thrusting on: an admirable evasion
of whoremaster man, to lay his goatish
disposition to the charge of a star! My
father compounded with my mother under the
dragon's tail; and my nativity was under Ursa
major; so that it follows, I am rough and
lecherous. Tut, I should have been that I am,
had the maidenliest star in the firmament
twinkled on my bastardizing.

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MandyManners Wed, Sep 2, 2009 9:26:00am

re: #122 Charles

There's a surprise in the works for them too.

*perks*

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DaddyG Wed, Sep 2, 2009 9:26:05am

re: #118 LudwigVanQuixote

Apparently, G-d didn't tell him about the no stealing and no adultery...

South Carolina has a problem with AGW*

*Adulterous Governor Wandering.

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Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Wed, Sep 2, 2009 9:26:16am

re: #122 Charles

There's a surprise in the works for them too.

Oooh! Shiny!

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A Man for all Seasons Wed, Sep 2, 2009 9:26:28am

re: #85 Ben Hur

Funny, he told ME the same thing.

Do you have a text from Obama? No?
It's my Job!
/Don't mess with Baby Jesus

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MandyManners Wed, Sep 2, 2009 9:26:31am

re: #125 DaddyG

South Carolina has a problem with AGW*

*Adulterous Governor Wandering.

HAHAHAHAA!

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J.D. Wed, Sep 2, 2009 9:26:33am

I love surprises.

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Sharmuta Wed, Sep 2, 2009 9:26:41am

re: #122 Charles

Good.

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Danny Wed, Sep 2, 2009 9:26:53am

They gettin served?

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SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Sep 2, 2009 9:27:35am

re: #4 MandyManners

Sarah Palin snuck off to a foreign nation on Alaskan resident's dime to conduct an affair?

I must have missed that part.

Maybe he could accept that getting caught means that God wants him to move on?

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jcm Wed, Sep 2, 2009 9:28:02am

re: #119 MandyManners

Narcissism is NOT a mental illness. It's a personality disorder. It cannot be cured.

When they starve to death staring at their reflection, they're cured.

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sattv4u2 Wed, Sep 2, 2009 9:28:30am

re: #122 Charles

There's a surprise in the works for them too.

Did God tell you to do that?

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WesternMT Wed, Sep 2, 2009 9:28:41am

I am an unabashed Christian, and I am getting sooo... tired of people who profess to be the same and then use "God told me to..." when they try to justify what is so patently idiotic behavior. In my experience, God is most unlikely to tell someone to do anything that detracts from the character and person of God himself. Such people I have found to be much more concerned with maintaining their opinion of themselves than with finding and following the path that God truly intends for their lives. What a disappointment.

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Egregious Philbin Wed, Sep 2, 2009 9:28:51am

Sanford is/was part of that weird fundie group that preached,but cheated.

Creepy loser, another fundie we DON'T need.

I swear, these bible humpers are always the first to sin, and sin big.

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Kosh's Shadow Wed, Sep 2, 2009 9:29:53am

Sanford and Ahmadinejad - both think their deities want them to be leaders.
What a pair.

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Honorary Yooper Wed, Sep 2, 2009 9:30:02am

re: #122 Charles

There's a surprise in the works for them too.

Good. I hope they get what's been long in coming to them.

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MandyManners Wed, Sep 2, 2009 9:30:27am

re: #132 SanFranciscoZionist

I must have missed that part.

Maybe he could accept that getting caught means that God wants him to move on?

Not likely.

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Kosh's Shadow Wed, Sep 2, 2009 9:30:41am

re: #135 WesternMT

I am an unabashed Christian, and I am getting sooo... tired of people who profess to be the same and then use "God told me to..." when they try to justify what is so patently idiotic behavior. In my experience, God is most unlikely to tell someone to do anything that detracts from the character and person of God himself. Such people I have found to be much more concerned with maintaining their opinion of themselves than with finding and following the path that God truly intends for their lives. What a disappointment.

I think most of them think it was G-d when it was closer to the Flip Wilson line:
The Devil made me do it!

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MandyManners Wed, Sep 2, 2009 9:30:47am

re: #133 jcm

When they starve to death staring at their reflection, they're cured.

Only in legends.

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Honorary Yooper Wed, Sep 2, 2009 9:30:51am

re: #136 Egregious Philbin

Sanford is/was part of that weird fundie group that preached,but cheated.

Creepy loser, another fundie we DON'T need.

I swear, these bible humpers are always the first to sin, and sin big.

Part of their problem is they're humping more than just the Bible.

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kynna Wed, Sep 2, 2009 9:30:57am

re: #45 unrealizedviewpoint

Cato said this yesterday:

I'm worried for Cato. Unable to comment, what's he gonna do?

I'll see if I can help:

"'Sanford: Now I know what Palin felt like.'
You mean Sanford has nice tits now?"

Hm. I'm sure Cato would have said it more ... Cato-y. ;D

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MandyManners Wed, Sep 2, 2009 9:31:39am

re: #139 buzzsawmonkey

"Narcissisma is the pride of Pomona."

--Don McLean

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SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Sep 2, 2009 9:31:39am

re: #7 sattv4u2

Dear Gov.

I just spoke to God, and unfortunatetly for you, HE doesn;t seem to be a registered voter in the State Of South Carolina.

But He did say "Me Bless" if thats any consolation!

There's a famous story told in the Talmud where the great Rabbanan Gershenon rejects a voice from heaven in favor of a vote of the assembled scholars, because God is not a voting member of the assembly.

South Carolina, rather than the Lord, is responsible for deciding this one.

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Dianna Wed, Sep 2, 2009 9:32:18am

re: #60 sattv4u2

He'll just lock and load on another target for 30 days!

As long as it's not misogynist villainy, I'm good.

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yma o hyd Wed, Sep 2, 2009 9:32:20am

BIAB

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MandyManners Wed, Sep 2, 2009 9:32:49am

re: #137 Kosh's Shadow

Sanford and Ahmadinejad - both think their deities want them to be leaders.
What a pair.

Sandford's madhi is a hottie and the well is in Argentina.

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SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Sep 2, 2009 9:33:32am

re: #26 The Other Les

Some people wonder why I'm an atheist.

I think that should be a personal decision. I'd leave the governor out of it.

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Mad Prophet Ludwig Wed, Sep 2, 2009 9:36:00am

I am reminded of something that I saw when I was in Israel.

I was at the Kotel (the Western Wall plaza) and I saw a beautiful IDF graduation ceremony. It was at night, there were braziers lit and the soldiers had formed a neat square around the plaza. There was stirring music and all of the pomp and symbolism that would make anyone who loved them have his heart swell with pride, while making any foe realize that these were real soldiers. It was a moving graduation. I was keenly aware that I was safe to study in Jerusalem because of these men and women.

Three black and white wearing religious Jews pushed their way through the neat ranks of the soldiers, and bold as brass walked right through the square to go to the fountains to wash and then to pray at the Wall. Those three were apparently too holy to notice the affront the caused in the soldiers, the officers or their families.

I was furious. I went back to the Yeshiva I was studying at in a very foul mood and was intercepted by one of the rabbis there. He asked me why I was angry and I told him.

He said:

"The biggest impediment to bringing honor, respect and interest in the tradition, is the open sins of the supposedly righteous. This is why public crimes always are treated more strictly than private ones."

I could not agree more.

People like Sanford need to understand that if you talk the talk, and openly identify yourself with a faith, it is doubly imperative that you walk the walk. You are representing more than just yourself.

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SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Sep 2, 2009 9:36:01am

re: #44 Shiplord Kirel

Well, governor, I've consulted some of the gods I know and they say the following:
Allah says it's ok with him, especially since you only have one wife to cheat on and she's nearly as old as you are anyway.
Cthulhu orders you to bite me.
Odin calls for a virgin sacrifice if you can find one, and pronounces a curse on your barley crop if you can't.
Zeus was laughing too hard to say much.
Aphodite says no, you cannot have her phone number.
Jesus said something about cleansing the temple.

Shiva is still doing facepalms, one hand at a time.

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Honorary Yooper Wed, Sep 2, 2009 9:36:18am

re: #149 MandyManners

Sandford's madhi is a hottie and the well is in Argentina.

Yeah, but the 12th imam isn't in that particular well. What comes out of there is usually attached to an umbilical cord.

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MandyManners Wed, Sep 2, 2009 9:36:25am

re: #151 buzzsawmonkey

It's a line from an old Don McLean song (called Narcissisma)--unfortunately, one so obscure (since nobody remembers anything by McLean except American Pie) that I can't find the rest of the lyrics.

But I had to toss it into the mix.

American Pie was the only one I could think of.

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jcm Wed, Sep 2, 2009 9:37:02am

re: #142 MandyManners

Only in legends.

Damn!

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SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Sep 2, 2009 9:37:08am

re: #45 unrealizedviewpoint

Cato said this yesterday:

I'm worried for Cato. Unable to comment, what's he gonna do?

Cato is stubborn. Cato will be fine.

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Sharmuta Wed, Sep 2, 2009 9:37:15am

Ditches his kids on Father's Day, ditches his State and his duty, and he wants me to think God put him up to this?

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Honorary Yooper Wed, Sep 2, 2009 9:37:33am

re: #155 MandyManners

American Pie was the only one I could think of.

Sanford was just looking for some warm Argentinian apple pie.

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MandyManners Wed, Sep 2, 2009 9:37:45am

re: #154 Honorary Yooper

Yeah, but the 12th imam isn't in that particular well. What comes out of there is usually attached to an umbilical cord.

I'm just gonna' stop this line right here.

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MandyManners Wed, Sep 2, 2009 9:38:15am

re: #159 Honorary Yooper

Sanford was just looking for some warm Argentinian apple pie.

Remember that bit in the movie?

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Gus Wed, Sep 2, 2009 9:38:20am

Mark Sanford: spoiled little mommy and daddy's boy. Father was a cardiologist. Raised on the Coosaw Plantation in South Carolina, ocean front home in Lighthouse Point, Florida, and a "40 acre cattle ranch in Delray Beach, Florida."

With an MBA he was trained at Goldman Sachs. He later became a real estate developer, no doubt with the family money, and moved to exclusive Sullivan Island. Later he made it to DC after being elected to congress and voted for the Clinton impeachment finding Clinton's behavior as "reprehensible" and stating, "I think it would be much better for the country and for him personally (to resign). ... I come from the business side. ... If you had a chairman or president in the business world facing these allegations, he'd be gone."

Now he claims that "God wants me to be governor." More than likely his god is reflected back to him in the mirror during his moments of self love. "If you had a governor facing what Bill Clinton faced, he'd be gone." Apparently, this is not the case with the little boy, Mark Sanford.

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MandyManners Wed, Sep 2, 2009 9:38:48am

re: #156 jcm

Damn!

Narcissists can make life *ahem* interesting for the rest of us.

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valuepack Wed, Sep 2, 2009 9:39:29am

Mr. Sanford must not think very highly of his constituents if he expects that kind of talk to help him out now.

Hopefully they will instead reveal unto him the consequences of being full of bs.

the part about liberty "constantly being threatened” is spot on though so... F+?

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John Neverbend Wed, Sep 2, 2009 9:39:59am

re: #146 SanFranciscoZionist

There's a famous story told in the Talmud where the great Rabbanan Gershenon rejects a voice from heaven in favor of a vote of the assembled scholars, because God is not a voting member of the assembly.

Is that the story where prior to the voice from heaven, the river runs backwards and a tree uproots itself and walks? As I recall, it was all to do with a discussion about unclean utensils.

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jcm Wed, Sep 2, 2009 9:40:19am

re: #149 MandyManners

Sandford's madhi is a hottie and the well is in Argentina.

Sandford's Madhi rises, and not just for the Apocalypse.

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MandyManners Wed, Sep 2, 2009 9:41:12am

re: #166 jcm

Sandford's Madhi rises, and not just for the Apocalypse.

In bed.

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Sharmuta Wed, Sep 2, 2009 9:41:50am

re: #162 Gus 802

Mark Sanford: spoiled little mommy and daddy's boy. Father was a cardiologist. Raised on the Coosaw Plantation in South Carolina, ocean front home in Lighthouse Point, Florida, and a "40 acre cattle ranch in Delray Beach, Florida."

With an MBA he was trained at Goldman Sachs. He later became a real estate developer, no doubt with the family money, and moved to exclusive Sullivan Island. Later he made it to DC after being elected to congress and voted for the Clinton impeachment finding Clinton's behavior as "reprehensible" and stating, "I think it would be much better for the country and for him personally (to resign). ... I come from the business side. ... If you had a chairman or president in the business world facing these allegations, he'd be gone."

Now he claims that "God wants me to be governor." More than likely his god is reflected back to him in the mirror during his moments of self love. "If you had a governor facing what Bill Clinton faced, he'd be gone." Apparently, this is not the case with the little boy, Mark Sanford.

THAT'S going to leave a mark.

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SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Sep 2, 2009 9:42:09am

re: #100 kytan

We seriously still have Divine Right? What is this, the Middle Ages? "God wants me/made me do it" is the kind of thing a 5 year old would say.

A friend of mine's son once tried to excuse himself for having called 911 and summoned the police to their church for no reason by saying that 'the evil spirit told me to'. (He was six at the time.)

His father told him that 'the devil made me do it is not a valid defense in this family'.

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Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Wed, Sep 2, 2009 9:43:46am

re: #168 Sharmuta

THAT'S going to leave a mark.

Hypocrisy, thy name is Mark Sanford.

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Gus Wed, Sep 2, 2009 9:44:18am

re: #168 Sharmuta

THAT'S going to leave a mark.

Amazing isn't it? He made that statement when it was just an allegation regarding Clinton. Mark Sanford is already beyond the allegation phase and now he's expanding his resume beyond adultery and into fraud.

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Mad Prophet Ludwig Wed, Sep 2, 2009 9:44:49am

re: #162 Gus 802

I also have to say, the idea of living on a plantation is astonishing to me. I don't wish to offed Southerners, no one should be blamed for things their great-great great grand parents did. But on the other hand, reveling in it is just not cool either. That was a slave farm.

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Mad Prophet Ludwig Wed, Sep 2, 2009 9:46:37am

re: #171 Gus 802

Amazing isn't it? He made that statement when it was just an allegation regarding Clinton. Mark Sanford is already beyond the allegation phase and now he's expanding his resume beyond adultery and into fraud.

The hypocrisy of politicians is yet another of the infinities of the universe.

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Sharmuta Wed, Sep 2, 2009 9:46:57am

re: #171 Gus 802

Amazing isn't it? He made that statement when it was just an allegation regarding Clinton. Mark Sanford is already beyond the allegation phase and now he's expanding his resume beyond adultery and into fraud.

I stuck it in my favorites for future use...

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MandyManners Wed, Sep 2, 2009 9:46:57am

re: #171 Gus 802

Amazing isn't it? He made that statement when it was just an allegation regarding Clinton. Mark Sanford is already beyond the allegation phase and now he's expanding his resume beyond adultery and into fraud.

Clinton was not impeached for putting his wahoo where it didn't belong.

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MandyManners Wed, Sep 2, 2009 9:47:23am

re: #172 LudwigVanQuixote

I also have to say, the idea of living on a plantation is astonishing to me. I don't wish to offed Southerners, no one should be blamed for things their great-great great grand parents did. But on the other hand, reveling in it is just not cool either. That was a slave farm.

So, they all should be burnt to the ground?

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Gus Wed, Sep 2, 2009 9:47:55am

re: #172 LudwigVanQuixote

I also have to say, the idea of living on a plantation is astonishing to me. I don't wish to offed Southerners, no one should be blamed for things their great-great great grand parents did. But on the other hand, reveling in it is just not cool either. That was a slave farm.

I was seeing it more as just a sprawling estate with the associated Southern vernacular where he was not doubt pampered and praised. Perhaps like "Gone with the Wind" with Sanford playing the role of a modified Scarlett.

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Mad Prophet Ludwig Wed, Sep 2, 2009 9:47:57am

re: #175 MandyManners

Clinton was not impeached for putting his wahoo where it didn't belong.

Yeah but all the talk was about his wahoo. The actual charge from the fishing expedition was window dressing.

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SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Sep 2, 2009 9:49:00am

re: #165 John Neverbend

Is that the story where prior to the voice from heaven, the river runs backwards and a tree uproots itself and walks? As I recall, it was all to do with a discussion about unclean utensils.

Yes, that's the story, it's the oven of Achnai debate, I think. One day, I want to write a novel based on it.

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unrealizedviewpoint Wed, Sep 2, 2009 9:49:30am

re: #175 MandyManners

Clinton was not impeached for putting his wahoo where it didn't belong.

Besides, Clinton did it at home, in his office.
/

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Mad Prophet Ludwig Wed, Sep 2, 2009 9:49:45am

re: #177 Gus 802

I was seeing it more as just a sprawling estate with the associated Southern vernacular where he was not doubt pampered and praised. Perhaps like "Gone with the Wind" with Sanford playing the role of a modified Scarlett.

That is fair, but named antebellum (from your picture it's obvious) manor in South Carolina that is called a plantation - was obviously a plantation.

The labor there was not paid.

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debutaunt Wed, Sep 2, 2009 9:50:30am

re: #178 LudwigVanQuixote

Yeah but all the talk was about his wahoo. The actual charge from the fishing expedition was window dressing.

Flat-out lying is window dressing?

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jcm Wed, Sep 2, 2009 9:50:33am

re: #167 MandyManners

In bed.

*Cleans coffee out of keyboard*

I should know better than get in an double entrendre duel with Mandy.

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Sunlight Wed, Sep 2, 2009 9:50:38am

When people think God likes them better than anyone else, it makes the hair stand up on the back of my neck. On a BBC report on "five years after Beslan", I heard a boy say that he is alive, when so many other kids died, because God has special plans for him. He is sure he will be president of Russia. His trying to make sense of something so horrific is certainly more understandable than the Sanford's rationalizations, but they all scare me.

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Mad Prophet Ludwig Wed, Sep 2, 2009 9:50:51am

re: #177 Gus 802

I was seeing it more as just a sprawling estate with the associated Southern vernacular where he was not doubt pampered and praised. Perhaps like "Gone with the Wind" with Sanford playing the role of a modified Scarlett.

Though you do have a good point - there is a massive sense of entitlement that has to come from that.

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Gus Wed, Sep 2, 2009 9:50:59am

re: #175 MandyManners

Clinton was not impeached for putting his wahoo where it didn't belong.

No it was for "lying" or something to that effect: perjury, obstruction of justice, and abuse of power. It all stemmed from an "adulterous act" also involving cigars.

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Mostly sane, most of the time. Wed, Sep 2, 2009 9:51:08am

re: #177 Gus 802

I was seeing it more as just a sprawling estate with the associated Southern vernacular where he was not doubt pampered and praised. Perhaps like "Gone with the Wind" with Sanford playing the role of a modified Scarlett.

Not Scarlett. Scarlett wouldn't cry.

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RexMundi Wed, Sep 2, 2009 9:51:36am

re: #97 buster

Proof God has a sense of humor.

Too bad his followers don't get the joke.

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MandyManners Wed, Sep 2, 2009 9:51:38am

re: #186 Gus 802

No it was for "lying" or something to that effect: perjury, obstruction of justice, and abuse of power. It all stemmed from an "adulterous act" also involving cigars.

Wasn't there also a charge of suborning perjury?

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jcm Wed, Sep 2, 2009 9:52:33am

re: #186 Gus 802

No it was for "lying" or something to that effect: perjury, obstruction of justice, and abuse of power. It all stemmed from an "adulterous act" also involving cigars.

The petard is that the law Paula Jones used to put Clinton on the stand where the crimes occurred, was signed by Clinton himself.

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Sharmuta Wed, Sep 2, 2009 9:52:43am

re: #187 EmmmieG

Not Scarlett. Scarlett wouldn't cry.

She's a bit more pragmatic.

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Cato the Elder Wed, Sep 2, 2009 9:52:50am

re: #45 unrealizedviewpoint et al.

I'm worried for Cato. Unable to comment, what's he gonna do?

Thank you all for your concern and your votes of confidence (or otherwise). As I am now packing to go on my long-awaited Labor Day silent retreat in New England, I view this as a test from God. God is using Gov. Sanford to try me and see if I'm found worthy, or wanting. This is why God put Gov. Sanford in his position here on this earth.

Thank you, God.

Thank you, Governor.

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Mostly sane, most of the time. Wed, Sep 2, 2009 9:53:19am

re: #191 Sharmuta

She's a bit more pragmatic.

I would have said tough as nails, but pragmatic works.

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Gus Wed, Sep 2, 2009 9:53:52am

re: #189 MandyManners

Wasn't there also a charge of suborning perjury?

I just see perjury but if it was suborning I'll say yes.

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John Neverbend Wed, Sep 2, 2009 9:54:36am

re: #179 SanFranciscoZionist

Yes, that's the story, it's the oven of Achnai debate, I think. One day, I want to write a novel based on it.

Yes, I just looked it up again in my "handy-dandy" online Talmud. I forgot the bit about the walls beginning to cave in. It's a great example of how you can't prove a point by bringing in irrelevant arguments. Of course, the crux of the matter (perhaps not the best metaphor for a Talmudic discussion) is the assertion that the Torah is no longer in heaven, a point which is not well taught but is really essential to grasp if you really want to understand the religion.

"My sons have conquered me." - God

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debutaunt Wed, Sep 2, 2009 9:55:27am

re: #194 Gus 802

I just see perjury but if it was suborning I'll say yes.

Suborning and irritating finger wagging.

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Kosh's Shadow Wed, Sep 2, 2009 9:55:42am

re: #182 debutaunt

Flat-out lying is window dressing?

Well, if we could charge a politician just for lying, who would be left to run the country?

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Mad Prophet Ludwig Wed, Sep 2, 2009 9:56:02am

re: #182 debutaunt

Flat-out lying is window dressing?

In this case yes. Be honest - was the talk about the man's unit, or was it about the horrible injustice he did by obstructing an unrelated case? At the time everyone sure seemed to be talking about Monica.

I am not for anyone cheating on their wives, but the mock affront is not appropriate. No one in America cared about the questionable woman's (in wherever she was) politically funded case nearly as much as salacious details from Monica.

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SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Sep 2, 2009 9:57:23am

re: #195 John Neverbend

Yes, I just looked it up again in my "handy-dandy" online Talmud. I forgot the bit about the walls beginning to cave in. It's a great example of how you can't prove a point by bringing in irrelevant arguments. Of course, the crux of the matter (perhaps not the best metaphor for a Talmudic discussion) is the assertion that the Torah is no longer in heaven, a point which is not well taught but is really essential to grasp if you really want to understand the religion.

"My sons have conquered me." - God

It's my favorite story from Gemara. Excellent e-drash, BTW!

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Gus Wed, Sep 2, 2009 9:57:29am

re: #190 jcm

The petard is that the law Paula Jones used to put Clinton on the stand where the crimes occurred, was signed by Clinton himself.

It never ceases to amaze me how some people are not subject to the consequences of such actions. Sanford of course could face indictment regarding use of public funds for his adultery involving public funds, use of state aircraft, etc. I'm not really familiar with that however.

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SFGoth Wed, Sep 2, 2009 9:58:21am

Mark Sanford, bailing out Barack Obama one violated Commandment at a time.

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Mad Prophet Ludwig Wed, Sep 2, 2009 9:59:55am

re: #195 John Neverbend

re: #179 SanFranciscoZionist

Right, but the point of that has a lot more to do with the notion of humans being partners in creation.

The context is that the holidays don't start until the witness see two stars.

It is a call to duty, to one's role in creation. It is not meant as a challenge to G-d's authority, or a case of rabbinic hubris.

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SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Sep 2, 2009 10:01:52am

re: #198 LudwigVanQuixote

In this case yes. Be honest - was the talk about the man's unit, or was it about the horrible injustice he did by obstructing an unrelated case? At the time everyone sure seemed to be talking about Monica.

I am not for anyone cheating on their wives, but the mock affront is not appropriate. No one in America cared about the questionable woman's (in wherever she was) politically funded case nearly as much as salacious details from Monica.

I'm not impressed with the moral underpinnings of the impeachment.

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Gus Wed, Sep 2, 2009 10:02:51am

What a creep. His statement regarding "now I know what Palin felt like." Palin never flew to Argentina to meet up with a lover to cheat on her husband. He's comparing his moral dilemma to Palin's?

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John Neverbend Wed, Sep 2, 2009 10:04:22am

re: #202 LudwigVanQuixote

re: #179 SanFranciscoZionist

Right, but the point of that has a lot more to do with the notion of humans being partners in creation.

The context is that the holidays don't start until the witness see two stars.

It is a call to duty, to one's role in creation. It is not meant as a challenge to G-d's authority, or a case of rabbinic hubris.

Interesting, I never learned that when the passage was taught to me.

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Sharmuta Wed, Sep 2, 2009 10:05:34am

re: #204 Gus 802

What a creep. His statement regarding "now I know what Palin felt like." Palin never flew to Argentina to meet up with a lover to cheat on her husband. He's comparing his moral dilemma to Palin's?

It's disgusting. My issues with Palin aside, to compare himself to a woman who is in no sort of situation even slightly resembling his situation is a bit misogynistic. In other words- he's using her name to piggy-back himself. Gross.

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Gretchen Wed, Sep 2, 2009 10:06:17am

I think God wants him to shut up.

However, self-proclaimed partner of God Barack Obama want him to keep talking.

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Gus Wed, Sep 2, 2009 10:06:31am

re: #203 SanFranciscoZionist

I'm not impressed with the moral underpinnings of the impeachment.

Yeah. I'm more "impressed" by the moral hypocrisy of Mark Sanford in light of his former castigation of Clinton. Sanford is not taking any "personal responsibility" if you will.

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Gretchen Wed, Sep 2, 2009 10:07:35am

re: #197 Kosh's Shadow

Well, if we could charge a politician just for lying, who would be left to run the country?

No one at all might be better than what we have now.

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cybermonk Wed, Sep 2, 2009 10:07:46am

what a hypocrite, he belongs in jail, or at the very least collecting unemployment.
He is an embarrassment.

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Gus Wed, Sep 2, 2009 10:08:04am

re: #206 Sharmuta

It's disgusting. My issues with Palin aside, to compare himself to a woman who is in no sort of situation even slightly resembling his situation is a bit misogynistic. In other words- he's using her name to piggy-back himself. Gross.

Exactly. All issues aside as well. It's beyond the pale and in fact I was also wondering if there is misogynistic component to Sanford comparing himself to Palin. If not lowering Palin to himself.

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Sharmuta Wed, Sep 2, 2009 10:10:01am

re: #211 Gus 802

Exactly. All issues aside as well. It's beyond the pale and in fact I was also wondering if there is misogynistic component to Sanford comparing himself to Palin. If not lowering Palin to himself.

Yes- he's using a woman to give cover to himself instead of being a man and taking his own hits. I doubt he's trying to lower Sarah to himself, rather he's using her to prop himself up. That's misogynistic.

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lostlakehiker Wed, Sep 2, 2009 10:10:35am

What God wants, Mark, is that we not commit adultery.

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Gus Wed, Sep 2, 2009 10:12:33am

re: #212 Sharmuta

Yes- he's using a woman to give cover to himself instead of being a man and taking his own hits. I doubt he's trying to lower Sarah to himself, rather he's using her to prop himself up. That's misogynistic.

Yes. So he is using women in his narcissistic quest: Jenny Sullivan Sanford, his wife; María Belén Chapur, his lover; and now Sarah Palin.

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Mad Prophet Ludwig Wed, Sep 2, 2009 10:12:56am

re: #205 John Neverbend

Interesting, I never learned that when the passage was taught to me.

I forget the details of the actual debate between Rabbi Eliezer and Rabbi Joshua.

The point of the passage though and of the Bas Kol and of the prophet Elijah laughing though is precisely though the case that is made about the calendar.

Man is supposed to be a partner in creation and to fill a certain role in the Tradition.

The Sanhedrim was, in the tradition, the lineage (master to student) of the seventy elders. The statement is not that the Sanhedrin supersedes G-d at all, but rather that the Elders are given some measure of authority in certain matters from G-d. The walls also stop bending in honor of Rabbi Joshua's arguments - which are accepted by the majority.

Again, the legal principle that applies is the notion that the holidays do not start or stop without the witnesses.

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lostlakehiker Wed, Sep 2, 2009 10:13:48am

re: #41 Honorary Yooper

Let's see...

You shall not commit adultery.
He's definately broken that one.

You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor.
He's lied several times over this affair.

You shall not steal.
He's stolen from the people of South Carolina (fuel, time).

And with this latest nonsense, he's broken this one,
You shall not make wrongful use of the name of your God.
Claiming that God wants him to be governor definately violates this one.

I count four at a minimum.

To be fair, lying about the affair is not "bearing false witness." He isn't testifying against somebody for the purpose of framing them. His lies do not serve to tarnish the name and reputation of another. So, we're down to three broken commandments.

Maybe two, if he's sincerely deluded about God wanting him to be governor.

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Gus Wed, Sep 2, 2009 10:13:50am

re: #212 Sharmuta

Yes- he's using a woman to give cover to himself instead of being a man and taking his own hits. I doubt he's trying to lower Sarah to himself, rather he's using her to prop himself up. That's misogynistic.

Also meant to say that yes he is using Palin to prop himself up but in so doing he is lowering Palin to his level.

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Mad Prophet Ludwig Wed, Sep 2, 2009 10:16:16am

re: #212 Sharmuta

Yes- he's using a woman to give cover to himself instead of being a man and taking his own hits. I doubt he's trying to lower Sarah to himself, rather he's using her to prop himself up. That's misogynistic.

It is misogyny in the sense that he does not care about hurting women. It is not misogyny in that he really does not care about anyone, and will do whatever desperate move he thinks will work.

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John Neverbend Wed, Sep 2, 2009 10:18:14am

re: #215 LudwigVanQuixote

I forget the details of the actual debate between Rabbi Eliezer and Rabbi Joshua.

The point of the passage though and of the Bas Kol and of the prophet Elijah laughing though is precisely though the case that is made about the calendar.

Man is supposed to be a partner in creation and to fill a certain role in the Tradition.

The Sanhedrim was, in the tradition, the lineage (master to student) of the seventy elders. The statement is not that the Sanhedrin supersedes G-d at all, but rather that the Elders are given some measure of authority in certain matters from G-d. The walls also stop bending in honor of Rabbi Joshua's arguments - which are accepted by the majority.

Again, the legal principle that applies is the notion that the holidays do not start or stop without the witnesses.

This is very subtle, and I'll have to go and study, as enjoined by Hillel. I did understand, though, that there is no precedent for arguing that the Sanhedrin could supersede God. In fact, are there not Talmudic discussions as to what had to be done if the Sanhedrin made a mistaken ruling? Perhaps the most famous incident is the story of Kamtza and bar-Kamtza. My father managed to work that particular story into a historical novel that he wrote.

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Sharmuta Wed, Sep 2, 2009 10:19:03am

re: #218 LudwigVanQuixote

It is misogyny in the sense that he does not care about hurting women. It is not misogyny in that he really does not care about anyone, and will do whatever desperate move he thinks will work.

Narcissists tend to also be misogynists- quite good at using women to get what they want.

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Gus Wed, Sep 2, 2009 10:23:21am

Interesting the way it was reported here:

Sanford says he told 'a little white lie;' God is on his side

Gov. Mark Sanford says he told "a little white lie" to his staff to conceal his secret trip to Argentina in June to visit his lover. The governor also says God is on his side, and he has no intentions of resigning.

Sanford, in an interview published Tuesday in The Washington Times, said he is disappointed no House Republicans offered to support his bid to save his job in a meeting last week in Myrtle Beach.

I wonder if "a little white lie" is a direct quote.

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Mad Prophet Ludwig Wed, Sep 2, 2009 10:26:08am

re: #219 John Neverbend

This is very subtle, and I'll have to go and study, as enjoined by Hillel. I did understand, though, that there is no precedent for arguing that the Sanhedrin could supersede God. In fact, are there not Talmudic discussions as to what had to be done if the Sanhedrin made a mistaken ruling? Perhaps the most famous incident is the story of Kamtza and bar-Kamtza. My father managed to work that particular story into a historical novel that he wrote.

Absolutely,

You just reminded my of R. Tarfon - "There goes your donkey!"

You are certainly correct that the Torah was given to us here in this world and that we are supposed to actively use it and engage it. The meme of partners in creation does not take away from your arguments. It actually adds to them.

My goal in saying a little more about this was for those lizards who are not Jewish and might misunderstand what you wrote, and think that Judaism gives itself the right to make things up as we go along. We absolutely do not. The subtlety l;ies in what actions we are commanded to take which fill roles of judgment and creation. In a real sense, according to tradition, the witnesses bring the holiday into being - but this is what they are commanded to do.

The big (false) theological claim that Islam makes against us (and Christianity) is that we perverted the original message by making things up - thus (Mohammed was needed to correct us and the Christians).

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Sharmuta Wed, Sep 2, 2009 10:26:35am

re: #221 Gus 802

A "little white lie" isn't fibbing to cover a major lie. A "little white lie" is more like telling your spouse you two are going to the ballet when you're really going to a surprise party for them.

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Mad Prophet Ludwig Wed, Sep 2, 2009 10:26:40am

re: #220 Sharmuta

Narcissists tend to also be misogynists- quite good at using women to get what they want.

Well said. He is scum either way.

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Gus Wed, Sep 2, 2009 10:28:18am

re: #223 Sharmuta

A "little white lie" isn't fibbing to cover a major lie. A "little white lie" is more like telling your spouse you two are going to the ballet when you're really going to a surprise party for them.

Yes. In Sanford's case he was "hiking on the Appalachian Trail" while jetting off to South America. You know, when I first heard about him "going missing" I actually thought that maybe he had died in an accident.

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Rexatosis Wed, Sep 2, 2009 10:29:21am

It wasn't G-d talking to Gov. Sanford, it was the neighbor's dog.///

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Kosh's Shadow Wed, Sep 2, 2009 10:29:56am

re: #223 Sharmuta

A "little white lie" isn't fibbing to cover a major lie. A "little white lie" is more like telling your spouse you two are going to the ballet when you're really going to a surprise party for them.

I guess that works for a woman; if a guy told his spouse he was going to the ballet, she'd think he was gay.

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Land Shark Wed, Sep 2, 2009 10:30:18am

Sanford is a real piece of work. God wants an adulterer who snuck off to have an affair in a foreign country using the public's money to continue as governor? Delusional doesn't even begin to describe this douchbag. What a self centered tool!

Memo to the citizens of South Carolina: recall the bum!

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John Neverbend Wed, Sep 2, 2009 10:31:33am

re: #222 LudwigVanQuixote

My goal in saying a little more about this was for those lizards who are not Jewish and might misunderstand what you wrote...

Then you have made a good elaboration.

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drcordell Wed, Sep 2, 2009 10:32:22am

What an asshole of truly epic proportions. Some people truly have no shame.

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Gus Wed, Sep 2, 2009 10:36:08am

Here he compares South Carolina having to move beyond the challenges of the Civil War to himself:

Sanford responds to calls for resignation

In this rambling and mumbling speech he alludes that people are calling for him to resign for career advancement. He also says "I won't be railroaded out of office by political opponents" and goes further to say "a lot of what's going on is pure politics plain and simple."

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Land Shark Wed, Sep 2, 2009 10:41:17am

re: #231 Gus 802

The guy truly is something else. If this doesn't inspire the citizens of South Carolina to mobilize a recall petition to get rid of this fool I don't know what will. No wonder his wife wised up and moved herself and the kids out of the governor's residence.

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Gus Wed, Sep 2, 2009 10:47:23am

re: #232 Land Shark

The guy truly is something else. If this doesn't inspire the citizens of South Carolina to mobilize a recall petition to get rid of this fool I don't know what will. No wonder his wife wised up and moved herself and the kids out of the governor's residence.

I was just looking at the unemployment rate for South Carolina which stands at 11.8 percent. He's not only a fool but he's not doing a very good job as governor. During this time Sanford spent “the last 5 days crying in Argentina,” which is an actual quote.

Did you notice the rambling of his speech? The bowed head and quick if not complete lack of eye contact with the audience in that video? I sincerely hope this man is ousted from the governorship of South Carolina because he is not worthy to hold that office.

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jvic Wed, Sep 2, 2009 11:00:10am

It's bad enough that this narcissist thinks God wants him to be governor.

What's a whole lot worse is what Mark Sanford et al think God wants him to do as governor. Corruption and hypocrisy are bad enough; what's worse are the self-righteous nation-killing agendas of many on the right and left.
***
If, heaven forbid, a hurricane smashes into SC, will Pat Robertson announce that it's God's punishment for Sanford?

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Mad Prophet Ludwig Wed, Sep 2, 2009 11:03:20am

re: #235 shinkman

So you excuse Sanford, or you are upset about the science? Or is it that you think that believing in G-d contradicts the science?

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debutaunt Wed, Sep 2, 2009 11:07:49am

re: #230 drcordell

What an asshole of truly epic proportions. Some people truly have no shame.

Clinton? Yeah - what a jerk. Or the other liar?

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Cato the Elder Wed, Sep 2, 2009 11:08:27am

re: #234 jvic

If, heaven forbid, a hurricane smashes into SC, will Pat Robertson announce that it's God's punishment for Sanford?

Pat is too busy wondering why the fake prayers he says on teevee for little old ladies to get them to donate to his scam didn't work when he said them for himself, and he had to go ahead and have a heart operation.

His surgeons are busy wondering how a man with a completely desiccated heart survived so long.

God is wondering how Pat will take it when he goes home to his maker and finds himself invited to an eternal round-table discussion of hypocrisy with himself as chairman pro aet.

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Charles Johnson Wed, Sep 2, 2009 11:10:47am

re: #235 shinkman

Bye now! I'll make it easier for you to not be offended by blocking your account.

And while I'm at it, I'll block your other two sock puppets too.

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victoroftheapes Wed, Sep 2, 2009 11:14:13am

re: #235 shinkman

I kinda see where you're coming from, but frankly, if we can't utterly bash in the skull of a schmuck who does what Sanford did and then has the utter gal to say that the almighty wants him to do what he's doing, then this really has no point.
People who believe are an inspiration. People who use God (you know, the guy who made everything and loves us all) as an excuse for sin are trash, and we should be stomping on them. Repeatedly.
(All violence above is rhetorical and should not imply any support for actual violence directed at the disgraced governor Sanford).

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Mad Prophet Ludwig Wed, Sep 2, 2009 11:15:49am

re: #239 Charles

Bye now! I'll make it easier for you to not be offended by blocking your account.

And while I'm at it, I'll block your other two sock puppets too.

It just occurred to me to really feel for you. Not a day goes by that you don't have to deal with that. You have my sympathy.

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Cato the Elder Wed, Sep 2, 2009 11:19:38am

At least Clinton didn't get on teevee and tell us all how Gawd wanted him to do Monica but keep his job.

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What, me worry? Wed, Sep 2, 2009 11:22:53am

re: #45 unrealizedviewpoint

Cato said this yesterday:

I'm worried for Cato. Unable to comment, what's he gonna do?

From the above article:

"When Palin resigned in July, she cited the burden of the legal fees as one reason for stepping down."

This is more BS from the governor. First of all, the defense lawyers are paid by the state whether she uses them are not. They're salaried. Secondly, there was a defense fund that purportedly raised $500,000 (which may have been unethical! Doh!). Either way, she wasn't out-of-pocket one cent.

Since Cato has been stifled, I'll pick up the mantle. Yea, I'm a giver that way.

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debutaunt Wed, Sep 2, 2009 11:31:42am

re: #242 Cato the Elder

At least Clinton didn't get on teevee and tell us all how Gawd wanted him to do Monica but keep his job.

Heroic, wasn't he.

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Code Red 21 Wed, Sep 2, 2009 11:45:15am

Anyone who is in public service, especially a Governor, needs to resign immediately when they pull this crap. Just go away Governor, man-up, and resign. What an embarrassment to his family, supporters and conservatives in general.

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wiffersnapper Wed, Sep 2, 2009 11:50:14am

How does that fall off the high horse feel, Mark?

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Code Red 21 Wed, Sep 2, 2009 11:54:42am

re: #103 MandyManners

I feel kinda' bad about judging this man because I'm no where near perfect. However, he put it out there.

Your not judging his soul only his stupid behavior which he has made everyone's business.

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drcordell Wed, Sep 2, 2009 11:56:07am

re: #237 debutaunt

Clinton? Yeah - what a jerk. Or the other liar?

You really can't let it go, can you? Shit was over 10 years ago... give up the ghost man.

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debutaunt Wed, Sep 2, 2009 11:57:42am

re: #248 drcordell

You really can't let it go, can you? Shit was over 10 years ago... give up the ghost man.

Yup. History just keeps on repeating.

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quickjustice Wed, Sep 2, 2009 11:57:45am

G-d put Sanford here to take care of his wife and kids. I'd personally prefer to see his wife as governor of SC.

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Cato the Elder Wed, Sep 2, 2009 12:05:11pm

re: #243 marjoriemoon

Since Cato has been stifled, I'll pick up the mantle. Yea, I'm a giver that way.

I haven't been stifled, my dear - I'm taking a voluntary break at the special request of a dear friend here.

But I hereby pass the mantle to you. Wear it with pride.

I'll be back in a month, and I trust my target will not have gone anywhere.

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snowcrash Wed, Sep 2, 2009 12:06:29pm

re: #251 Cato the Elder
Have a peaceful retreat. See you in a few weeks.

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Land Shark Wed, Sep 2, 2009 12:09:38pm

re: #233 Gus 802

Yeah, I noticed all that. He sure is one shady looking character there. It's almost as if some part of him realizes how utterly full of shit he is. And for someone trying to pass himself off as a great Christian, he sure seems to have forgotten the part about "taking the Lord's name in vain" when he says God wants him to be governor.

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Bluto8 Wed, Sep 2, 2009 12:12:31pm

I live in South Carolina and he has the Democrats, Republicans and everyone else shaking there head in discuss.
Hell, I bet even Ron Paul is shaking his head saying "This guy is nuttier than a squirrel turd"

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pre-Boomer Marine brat Wed, Sep 2, 2009 12:14:47pm

See the 5th paragraph on this blog post for the quote (and if you don't know who Pir Samiullah was, see Long War Journal.)

“Fighting against Taliban is fighting against (the) Qura’an ..."

IIRC (from another source, which I can't find at the moment), it was Ibn Amin, leader of the Tora Bora Brigade of al Qaida's Shadow Army who said that.

My question is general and rhetorical.

How close is Mark Sanford's self-righteousness to the above?

/am I suggesting a possibility? ... perhaps

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HDrepub Wed, Sep 2, 2009 12:15:25pm

re: #243 marjoriemoon

This is more BS from the governor. First of all, the defense lawyers are paid by the state whether she uses them are not. They're salaried. Secondly, there was a defense fund that purportedly raised $500,000 (which may have been unethical! Doh!). Either way, she wasn't out-of-pocket one cent.

Since Cato has been stifled, I'll pick up the mantle. Yea, I'm a giver that way.

Sorry, but you are wrong in this matter.
Unlike other states, Alaska's governor has no legal counsel's office to defend the governor from allegations brought against the governor in her official capacity.

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