Stop the presses! Glenn Beck has found sekrit communist propaganda in the artwork at the Rockefeller Center in Manhattan! Manhattan, I tell you! We’re doomed!
Conspiracy theories about the Rockefellers are standard fare for wackos like the John Birch Society and people who rant and rave about the New World Order. Glenn’s showing us his dark roots.
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Dark_Falcon Wed, Sep 2, 2009 6:32:11pm |
Conspiracy theories about the Rockefellers are standard fare for wackos like the John Birch Society and people who rant and rave about the New World Order. Glenn’s showing us his dark dumbass roots.
improved
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Killgore Trout Wed, Sep 2, 2009 6:33:28pm |
Conspiracy theories about the Rockefellers are standard fare for wackos like the John Birch Society and people who rant and rave about the New World Order. Glenn’s showing us his dark roots.
I really think this is where Beck is getting this stuff.
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Walter L. Newton Wed, Sep 2, 2009 6:33:58pm |
I don't know why he doesn't just get right to discussing "Holy Blood, Holy Grail" and that should cover the whole gendre.
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Charles Johnson Wed, Sep 2, 2009 6:34:37pm |
re: #3 Killgore Trout
I really think this is where Beck is getting this stuff.
I agree. He's plugged in to the extremist right, and he's doing his best to mainstream their insanity.
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MandyManners Wed, Sep 2, 2009 6:36:16pm |
All that's left is for Alex Jones to whip out his stuff about Rockefeller being a Jew.
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Mad Al-Jaffee Wed, Sep 2, 2009 6:36:38pm |
OT - I watched the National Geographic special Inside the Green Berets (on dvd) tonight. It's an amazing look at what some of our special forces in Afghanistan have to face every day, and the sacrifices they make. You can get it from Netflix.
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Dark_Falcon Wed, Sep 2, 2009 6:37:16pm |
re: #7 MandyManners
All that's left is for Alex Jones to whip out his stuff about Rockefeller being a Jew.
Shh! Alex and Glen are saving that for a special joint show for November sweeps.
/I hope I'm kidding
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yochanan Wed, Sep 2, 2009 6:38:01pm |
most 1930's artists were leftists diago revera, freda, and many others were commies on one kind or another the whole wpa art thing was leftist.
frankly this is a total non story beck thinks he found something duh.
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Gus Wed, Sep 2, 2009 6:38:02pm |
Beck once again proves that he's a complete moron. Even upon cursory review it's common to see artwork that is contradictory to their patrons. I could even watch the complete video. Of course he's going after NBC by way of Rockefeller Center.
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Walter L. Newton Wed, Sep 2, 2009 6:38:08pm |
re: #7 MandyManners
All that's left is for Alex Jones to whip out his stuff about Rockefeller being a Jew.
You heard that too!
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_RememberTonyC Wed, Sep 2, 2009 6:38:39pm |
I always liked Jeff Beck better
[Link: www.last.fm...]
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quickjustice Wed, Sep 2, 2009 6:39:50pm |
Nelson Rockefeller was quite an art collector. He also liked large public monuments. Check out the Albany Mall if you don't believe me!
Years ago I testified in front of a committee of the NYS legislature in Albany. The Mall was new. I complimented the chairman of the committee on the enormous, magnificent new facility. He replied, "You may like it, but the taxpayers of the state of New York will be paying for it for the next 30 years!"
As for "communist" symbols in the art, Nelson was far closer to Mussolini than to Stalin in his tastes.
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yochanan Wed, Sep 2, 2009 6:39:53pm |
revera painted a mural for henry ford were he put v.i. lenin in it ford had it destroyed i mean this was way back in the 30's sorry beck but you are 3/4 of a century late on this hot breaking story.
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lawhawk Wed, Sep 2, 2009 6:40:02pm |
re: #7 MandyManners
All that's left is for Alex Jones to whip out his stuff about Rockefeller being a Jew.
How long until the anniversary of 9/11 - Alex Jones will have something to say about that. He usually does.
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Killgore Trout Wed, Sep 2, 2009 6:41:08pm |
Is it just me or is he getting crazier since the boycott?
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MandyManners Wed, Sep 2, 2009 6:41:31pm |
I know it's not the same but, whenever I see that word, I think of this scene from The Bridge on the River Kwai.
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quickjustice Wed, Sep 2, 2009 6:42:01pm |
re: #15 yochanan
Henry Ford had an autographed photograph of Adolph Hitler on his desk, and Hitler had an autographed photograph of Henry Ford on his. Lenin would have been the wrong icon to select in working for Mr. Ford.
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MandyManners Wed, Sep 2, 2009 6:42:03pm |
re: #9 Dark_Falcon
Shh! Alex and Glen are saving that for a special joint show for November sweeps.
/I hope I'm kidding
Will David Icke be a guest star?
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SasquatchOnSteroids Wed, Sep 2, 2009 6:42:26pm |
I remember this girl back in high school.
She could Rockefeller.
Memories...
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MandyManners Wed, Sep 2, 2009 6:42:41pm |
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jorline Wed, Sep 2, 2009 6:42:46pm |
re: #7 MandyManners
All that's left is for Alex Jones to whip out his stuff about Rockefeller being a Jew.
The hell you say! Rockefeller?
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yochanan Wed, Sep 2, 2009 6:42:48pm |
re: #20 quickjustice
i understand that but the mural in question is fact.
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Cato the Elder Wed, Sep 2, 2009 6:42:53pm |
Many, many wingbats believe that the Rockefellers are Jewish.
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Gus Wed, Sep 2, 2009 6:43:11pm |
re: #15 yochanan
revera painted a mural for henry ford were he put v.i. lenin in it ford had it destroyed i mean this was way back in the 30's sorry beck but you are 3/4 of a century late on this hot breaking story.
There's a really good Diego Rivera mural at City College of San Francisco .
[Link: www.riveramural.com...]
[Link: www.riveramural.com...]
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jaunte Wed, Sep 2, 2009 6:43:16pm |
I Paint What I See
--E. B. White
"What do you paint when you paint a wall?"
Said John D.'s grandson Nelson.
"Do you paint just anything there at all?
"Will there be any doves or a tree in fall?
"Or a hunting scene like an English hall?"
"I paint what I see," said Rivera.
"What are the colors you use when you paint?"
Said John D.'s grandson, Nelson.
"Do you use any red in the beard of a saint?
"If you do is it terribly red, or faint?
"Do you use any blue? Is it Prussian?"
"I paint what I paint," said Rivera.
"Whose is that head I see on my wall?"
Said John D.'s grandson Nelson.
"Is it anyone's head whom we know, at all?
"A Rensselaer, or a Saltonstall?
"Is it Franklin D.? Is it Mordaunt Hall?
"Or is it the head of a Russian?"
"I paint what I think," said Rivera.
"I paint what I paint, I paint what I see,
"I paint what I think," said Rivera,
"And the thing that is dearest in life to me
"In a bourgeois hall is Ingegrity;
"However,...
"I'll take out a couple of people drinkin'
"And put in a picture of Abraham Lincoln,
"I could even give you McCormick's reaper
"And still not make my art much cheaper.
"But the head of Lenin has got to stay
"Or my friends will give me the bird today
"The bird, the bird, forever."
"It's not good taste in a man like me,"
Said John D.'s grandson Nelson,
"To question an artist's integrity
"Or mention a practical thing like a fee,
"But I know what I like to a large degree
"Though art I hate to hamper;
"For twenty-one thousand conservative bucks
"You painted a radical. I say shucks,
"I never could rent the offices.
"For this, as you know, is a public hall
"And people want doves or a tree in fall,
"And though your art I dislike to hamper,
"I owe a little to God and Gramper,
"And after all,
"It's my wall..."
"We'll see if it is," said Rivera.
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KingKenrod Wed, Sep 2, 2009 6:43:24pm |
Obama might be prepping a walk-back on Afghaistan:
[Link: www.google.com...]
The cover story: Obama thinks more troops might be perceived as occupiers instead of liberators. Just floating a trial balloon like that will give NATO and Islamic countries a fresh talking point.
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MandyManners Wed, Sep 2, 2009 6:44:04pm |
re: #16 lawhawk
How long until the anniversary of 9/11 - Alex Jones will have something to say about that. He usually does.
And I'll do my best to ignore that ignorant motherfucker again this year.
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Dark_Falcon Wed, Sep 2, 2009 6:44:18pm |
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quickjustice Wed, Sep 2, 2009 6:44:48pm |
re: #26 Cato the Elder
The Rockefellers were Baptists. They are members of the Trilateral Commission however! [cue Twilight Zone music]
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MandyManners Wed, Sep 2, 2009 6:45:03pm |
re: #24 jorline
The hell you say! Rockefeller?
I cannot recall how much he discusses the Rothschilds but, his good buddies in the conspiracy world really dig them.
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Jim in Virginia Wed, Sep 2, 2009 6:45:10pm |
Charles, no criticism- it's your blog. But have you considered that posts on Beck only encourage him? I don't think he understands he's being mocked. He's an attention whore and he's getting lots of it.
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Dancing along the light of day Wed, Sep 2, 2009 6:45:20pm |
I can get realy frustrated, listening to my roommates sports on tv. Then something like this gets posted & I'm SO GRATEFUL to listen to sports instead of this $&%*
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Walter L. Newton Wed, Sep 2, 2009 6:46:39pm |
re: #26 Cato the Elder
Many, many wingbats believe that the Rockefellers are Jewish.
They were Jewish French Huguenots who migrated to Germany.
/
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Cato the Elder Wed, Sep 2, 2009 6:46:42pm |
Just started watching "Miracle at St. Anna". It opens postal.
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Jim in Virginia Wed, Sep 2, 2009 6:46:53pm |
re: #14 quickjustice
Nelson Rockefeller was quite an art collector. He also liked large public monuments. Check out the Albany Mall if you don't believe me!
.
Prime example of fascist architecture.
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MandyManners Wed, Sep 2, 2009 6:47:11pm |
re: #26 Cato the Elder
Many, many wingbats believe that the Rockefellers are Jewish.
Their ancestry is Jewish.
[Link: wiki.answers.com...]
But, it is no big deal.
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lawhawk Wed, Sep 2, 2009 6:47:43pm |
If Beck did even the most remedial search, he would have found quite a bit of background on Rivera and Rockefeller.
As for the murals that could have been at Rockefeller Center, similar murals were painted for the Coit Tower in SF.
Even a basic news search would have found that Rockefeller did all he could to destroy Rivera's career after the Center mural debacle.
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Walter L. Newton Wed, Sep 2, 2009 6:48:18pm |
re: #39 MandyManners
Their ancestry is Jewish.
[Link: wiki.answers.com...]
But, it is no big deal.
Stay off that page, it tried to push an ad to me.
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What, me worry? Wed, Sep 2, 2009 6:48:54pm |
re: #2 buzzsawmonkey
re-posted from prior thread:
There's a famous poem, by Ogden Nash, I think, of Rockefeller arguing with Diego Rivera about the mural Rivera did; Rivera, famously, included Lenin, and when Rockefeller told him to remove the face and Rivera objected, Rockefeller is said to have replied, "It's my wall."
I don't know why Beck is so surprised: most of the public buildings done in the '30s were done in what was even then called "Mussolini Modern."
Nazi public buildings, Communist public buildings, US public buildings; they all had eagles, many had fasces. You can see this on any WPA-era post office.
Ours have gargoyles and women with swords. I wonder what that means? Gargoyles are supposed to protect from evil?
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quickjustice Wed, Sep 2, 2009 6:49:51pm |
And Rockefeller Center is totally art deco. If you look at it from above, it has crenellated roofs!
If Beck looked harder, he could find miniature hammers and sickles etched into an apartment building in the Bronx built for a communist collective back in the 1930s. The trouble is, Rockefeller wasn't involved with that!
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Sheila Broflovski Wed, Sep 2, 2009 6:50:27pm |
Don't tell him about the relief of Mohammed on the U. S. Supreme Court building!
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Shug Wed, Sep 2, 2009 6:51:09pm |
re: #18 Killgore Trout
Is it just me or is he getting crazier since the boycott?
I don't know how many people actually watch his show, but I'd say I watch about 2 shows a week, and I definately notice him acting very strange ( more than usual ) in the last few weeks.
Quite manic actually.
Like a man about to snap.
Don't know what came first the increase in the level of insanity causing or resulting from the boycott.
Noticed Glenn on Fox n Freinds yesterday morning and you could actually see Brian Kilmeade's flesh crawl. I remember when Beck was on and said Obama hates White people and Kilmeade challenged him on that on the spot. Glad to see him do it , but now in retrospect I am sure Kilmeade is very very glad he took a stand on that kind of comment in real time
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Sheila Broflovski Wed, Sep 2, 2009 6:51:27pm |
re: #44 quickjustice
And Rockefeller Center is totally art deco. If you look at it from above, it has crenellated roofs!
If Beck looked harder, he could find miniature hammers and sickles etched into an apartment building in the Bronx built for a communist collective back in the 1930s. The trouble is, Rockefeller wasn't involved with that!
It isn't hard to find swastikas embedded in many art deco buildings.
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jaunte Wed, Sep 2, 2009 6:52:00pm |
re: #44 quickjustice
If Beck looked harder, he could find miniature hammers and sickles etched into an apartment building in the Bronx built for a communist collective back in the 1930s.
Hmm. Miniature commies. Sneaky.
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Dark_Falcon Wed, Sep 2, 2009 6:52:03pm |
re: #45 Alouette
Don't tell him about the relief of Mohammed on the U. S. Supreme Court building!
All the Justices are sekrit Moslems!
/Alex Jones mode off
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yochanan Wed, Sep 2, 2009 6:52:27pm |
Rivera was a friend of Leon Trotsky he helped Trotsky write the book art and revolution. all of this is old news.
Freda is more popular now than Rvere even though he was a much better painter some of Freda stuff is very second rate but it is her gender that drives her support mostly.
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MandyManners Wed, Sep 2, 2009 6:52:37pm |
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haakondahl Wed, Sep 2, 2009 6:52:47pm |
re: #7 MandyManners
All that's left is for Alex Jones to whip out his stuff about Rockefeller being a Jew.
I certainly hope Alex Jones does not whip out his stuff.
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Killgore Trout Wed, Sep 2, 2009 6:52:57pm |
Towards the end he says, "Those with eyes will not see. Those with ears will not hear."
It's a quote from something.
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SasquatchOnSteroids Wed, Sep 2, 2009 6:53:37pm |
re: #52 haakondahl
I certainly hope Alex Jones does not whip out his stuff.
Look what they DID TO ME !!
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MandyManners Wed, Sep 2, 2009 6:53:49pm |
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Gus Wed, Sep 2, 2009 6:53:55pm |
Some Rockefeller Center trivia for the crackpot Glenn Beck:
The Center is a combination of two building complexes: the older and original 14 Art Deco office building from the 1930s, and a set of four international-style towers built along the west side of the Avenue of the Americas during the 1960s and 1970s plus the Lehman Brothers Building. The Time-Life Building, McGraw-Hill and News Corporation/Fox News Channel headquarters are part of these "newer" Rockefeller Center building now owned/managed by the major private real estate firm, Rockefeller Group.
Beck is doing this while sitting inside of a building owned and managed by the Rockefeller Group.
[Link: www.absoluteastronomy.com...]
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haakondahl Wed, Sep 2, 2009 6:54:12pm |
re: #44 quickjustice
If Beck looked harder, he could find miniature hammers and sickles etched into an apartment building in the Bronx built for a communist collective back in the 1930s.
Tiny widdle cute ones. Hamsters & Pickles, really.
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MandyManners Wed, Sep 2, 2009 6:54:16pm |
re: #53 Killgore Trout
Towards the end he says, "Those with eyes will not see. Those with ears will not hear."
It's a quote from something.
It's a mangled and incorrect quote.
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Charles Johnson Wed, Sep 2, 2009 6:54:29pm |
re: #53 Killgore Trout
Towards the end he says, "Those with eyes will not see. Those with ears will not hear."
It's a quote from something.
It's an End Times quote. Very common among that crowd.
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Mad Al-Jaffee Wed, Sep 2, 2009 6:54:45pm |
Speaking of conspiracy theories:
[Link: www.theonion.com...]
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haakondahl Wed, Sep 2, 2009 6:55:02pm |
re: #57 Gus 802
Some Rockefeller Center trivia for the crackpot Glenn Beck:
Beck is doing this while sitting inside of a building owned and managed by the Rockefeller Group.
[Link: www.absoluteastronomy.com...]
Doesn't that make him the most insidious mouthpiece yet for the Rockefeller empire?
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Gearhead Wed, Sep 2, 2009 6:55:14pm |
re: #47 Alouette
It isn't hard to find swastikas embedded in many art deco buildings.
I noticed them on City Hall in Birmingham, and was a little freaked until I realized they hooked left.
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Killian Bundy Wed, Sep 2, 2009 6:55:19pm |
Glenn Beck has found sekrit communist propaganda in the artwork at the Rockefeller Center in Manhattan!
/I wonder if he knows about the Denver Airport murals
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Killgore Trout Wed, Sep 2, 2009 6:55:21pm |
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Gus Wed, Sep 2, 2009 6:55:25pm |
re: #64 haakondahl
Doesn't that make him the most insidious mouthpiece yet for the Rockefeller empire?
Possibly.
...could it be?
/
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Walter L. Newton Wed, Sep 2, 2009 6:55:33pm |
re: #51 MandyManners
In bed.
(Huh? Wiki?)
I don't know what the "in bed" thing means. Wiki is a software. Anyone can set up a "wiki" site, running Wiki software, for what ever purpose. The original Wiki is a user sponsored encylopedia, but there are "wiki's" for all sorts of subjects.
Just because a site is running the wiki software, doesn't mean it can't do something nasty like pushing a virus or an ad or something.
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MandyManners Wed, Sep 2, 2009 6:55:42pm |
re: #61 Charles
It's an End Times quote. Very common among that crowd.
It is not an accurate quote from the Bible. He's full of shit.
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haakondahl Wed, Sep 2, 2009 6:55:47pm |
re: #53 Killgore Trout
Towards the end he says, "Those with eyes will not see. Those with ears will not hear."
It's a quote from something.
Also describes trying to motor down a dusty road in one of those fancy army cars.
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Almost Killed by Space Hookers Wed, Sep 2, 2009 6:55:48pm |
The signs are everywhere!!!
Warning much much crazy here... I have found Beck's source!!!
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quickjustice Wed, Sep 2, 2009 6:56:06pm |
re: #59 MandyManners
Beck's attempting to quote Jesus, but Jesus Beck is not.
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MandyManners Wed, Sep 2, 2009 6:56:11pm |
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Walter L. Newton Wed, Sep 2, 2009 6:56:12pm |
re: #53 Killgore Trout
Towards the end he says, "Those with eyes will not see. Those with ears will not hear."
It's a quote from something.
It's from Revelation.
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Gearhead Wed, Sep 2, 2009 6:56:17pm |
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haakondahl Wed, Sep 2, 2009 6:56:51pm |
re: #69 Walter L. Newton
I don't know what the "in bed" thing means.
Well, son, when a man loves a woman very much...
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MandyManners Wed, Sep 2, 2009 6:56:55pm |
re: #69 Walter L. Newton
I don't know what the "in bed" thing means. Wiki is a software. Anyone can set up a "wiki" site, running Wiki software, for what ever purpose. The original Wiki is a user sponsored encylopedia, but there are "wiki's" for all sorts of subjects.
Just because a site is running the wiki software, doesn't mean it can't do something nasty like pushing a virus or an ad or something.
I thought Wiki was a Web site.
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quickjustice Wed, Sep 2, 2009 6:57:02pm |
re: #63 lawhawk
Interesting. Jesus also repeats that phrase.
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Almost Killed by Space Hookers Wed, Sep 2, 2009 6:57:24pm |
121212!!!
Do you know how many of these are filtering through various science departments as the date approaches? I get mail from these fools.
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haakondahl Wed, Sep 2, 2009 6:57:24pm |
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Dark_Falcon Wed, Sep 2, 2009 6:57:28pm |
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MandyManners Wed, Sep 2, 2009 6:57:51pm |
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What, me worry? Wed, Sep 2, 2009 6:57:56pm |
Maybe he'll find out Frank Lloyd Wright has alien DNA. I could happen!!
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haakondahl Wed, Sep 2, 2009 6:58:18pm |
re: #78 MandyManners
I thought Wiki was a Web site.
A wiki is a type of website that's like a blog where anybody can keep editing the original post.
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Sheila Broflovski Wed, Sep 2, 2009 6:58:21pm |
re: #65 Gearhead
I noticed them on City Hall in Birmingham, and was a little freaked until I realized they hooked left.
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Gus Wed, Sep 2, 2009 6:58:30pm |
Here's the Rockefeller Group Development Corporation web page for 1211 Avenue of the Americas.
[Link: www.rockgroupdevelopment.com...]
Home to Fox News and the Glenn Beck show.
The street-level spaces of 1211 Avenue of the Americas exude New York dynamism. The News Corporation, the building’s anchor tenant, operates its Fox News studio at the northeast corner, beneath a perpetual stream of headlines that traverse Fox’s wrap-around zipper.
Oh the irony.
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Cato the Elder Wed, Sep 2, 2009 6:58:43pm |
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MandyManners Wed, Sep 2, 2009 6:59:03pm |
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Coracle Wed, Sep 2, 2009 6:59:33pm |
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_RememberTonyC Wed, Sep 2, 2009 6:59:39pm |
re: #77 haakondahl
Well, son, when a man loves a woman very much...
unless you're rick pitino ... then a table with a checkered tablecloth in an Italian restaurant will do
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Mich-again Wed, Sep 2, 2009 6:59:40pm |
Actually there was some controversy over the communist themes in some of the artwork originally commissioned for the Center and it involved none other than Diego Rivera.
Thus it came as no real surprise when Rivera's Man at the Crossroads became controversial, as it contained Moscow May Day scenes and a clear portrait of Lenin, not apparent in initial sketches. After Nelson issued a written warning to Rivera to replace the offending figure with an anonymous face, Rivera refused (after offering to counterbalance Lenin with a portrait of Lincoln), and so he was paid off and the mural papered over at the instigation of Nelson, who was to become the Center's flamboyant president. Nine months later, after all attempts to save the fresco were explored—including relocating it to Abby's Museum of Modern Art—it was destroyed as a last option.
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Gus Wed, Sep 2, 2009 6:59:47pm |
re: #87 Gus 802
Hmm, might have been sold to the Celanese Corporation. Either way they're connected by contractual history.
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unrealizedviewpoint Wed, Sep 2, 2009 7:00:06pm |
re: #66 Killian Bundy
/I wonder if he knows about the Denver Airport murals
Do you have to look at those on the way in Charles?
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reine.de.tout Wed, Sep 2, 2009 7:00:22pm |
re: #2 buzzsawmonkey
re-posted from prior thread:
There's a famous poem, by Ogden Nash, I think, of Rockefeller arguing with Diego Rivera about the mural Rivera did; Rivera, famously, included Lenin, and when Rockefeller told him to remove the face and Rivera objected, Rockefeller is said to have replied, "It's my wall."
I don't know why Beck is so surprised: most of the public buildings done in the '30s were done in what was even then called "Mussolini Modern."
Nazi public buildings, Communist public buildings, US public buildings; they all had eagles, many had fasces. You can see this on any WPA-era post office.
There's a WPA mural like that on a wall in a building at LSU, where I had at least one class every semester.
I don't think anybody ever took it to be a "communist" mural.
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What, me worry? Wed, Sep 2, 2009 7:00:23pm |
re: #66 Killian Bundy
/I wonder if he knows about the Denver Airport murals
Wow. There's an Israeli flag to the far right, but they don't have a closeup of it.
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haakondahl Wed, Sep 2, 2009 7:01:45pm |
I pointed out the "Soviet Modern" nature of some huge reliefs at a local museum to my wife. She was skeptical. I don't care for the stuff myself, and I do associate it with the evil empire, but its presence there says nothing about the politics of the museum's founders or owners, or whoever put it there.
I'm not really inclined to watch the Beck video. Anybody have a two-sentence wrap-up?
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MandyManners Wed, Sep 2, 2009 7:01:54pm |
I looked around for the ears/eyes verse. I found this.
Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest. Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me; for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls. For my yoke is easy, and my burden is light.
Matthew 11: 28-30.
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Dad O' Blondes Wed, Sep 2, 2009 7:02:19pm |
This is on TV?
No wonder I'm on the web.
.
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Dark_Falcon Wed, Sep 2, 2009 7:02:39pm |
re: #90 MandyManners
I thought it was *whack*.
That's what you do Mandy. I use 'smack' so as to differentiate myself from you and not steal your signature sign of disapproval.
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reine.de.tout Wed, Sep 2, 2009 7:03:08pm |
re: #18 Killgore Trout
Is it just me or is he getting crazier since the boycott?
He seems to me to get a bit crazier every day.
I can't watch him. I yell at the TV. The Roi yells at me to calm down. It's just not worth even trying to watch him.
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Gus Wed, Sep 2, 2009 7:03:08pm |
re: #99 haakondahl
I pointed out the "Soviet Modern" nature of some huge reliefs at a local museum to my wife. She was skeptical. I don't care for the stuff myself, and I do associate it with the evil empire, but its presence there says nothing about the politics of the museum's founders or owners, or whoever put it there.
I'm not really inclined to watch the Beck video. Anybody have a two-sentence wrap-up?
Communist symbolism on art at the Rockefeller center housing bad NBC.
Rockefeller foundation give money to bad man Van Jones.
/
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J.D. Wed, Sep 2, 2009 7:03:56pm |
re: #93 _RememberTonyC
unless you're rick pitino ... then a table with a checkered tablecloth in an Italian restaurant will do
P O R C I N I ’ s
New Entree:Aged red snapper, stuffed with Italian Sausage,
All you can drink red wine.
aka...The Pitino Platter *** * Only available after normal business hours
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Mich-again Wed, Sep 2, 2009 7:04:00pm |
Interesting that this artwork came around the same time the controversy in Detroit over Diego Rivera's mural at the DIA.
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haakondahl Wed, Sep 2, 2009 7:04:27pm |
re: #102 Dark_Falcon
re: #90 MandyManners
I thought it was *whack*.
That's what you do Mandy. I use 'smack' so as to differentiate myself from you and not steal your signature sign of disapproval.
And spacejesus is on crack.
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Jim in Virginia Wed, Sep 2, 2009 7:04:48pm |
Pelosi apparently said last night, again, that the health care bill that passes the House will have a public option. Axelrod told the Politico today that Obama will drop the public option.
Did Pelosi just get tossed under the bus?
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Dark_Falcon Wed, Sep 2, 2009 7:04:52pm |
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haakondahl Wed, Sep 2, 2009 7:05:31pm |
re: #102 Dark_Falcon
That's what you do Mandy. I use 'smack' so as to differentiate myself from you and not steal your signature sign of disapproval.
You smack me up.
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yochanan Wed, Sep 2, 2009 7:06:06pm |
beck thinks he has discouvered something new frankly it is 3/4 century old news. but most of his listeners will not know this. but i do. not that i care about beck
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Charles Johnson Wed, Sep 2, 2009 7:06:35pm |
If anyone had told me last year at this time that we'd be seeing Fox News promoting Rockefeller/NWO conspiracies in September 2009, I would have laughed in their faces.
And I would have been wrong.
The GOP seems to have totally merged with the John Birch/Ron Paul lunatics.
Say hello to Democratic presidencies for at least the next 20 years.
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MandyManners Wed, Sep 2, 2009 7:06:36pm |
re: #106 Mich-again
Interesting that this artwork came around the same time the controversy in Detroit over Diego Rivera's mural at the DIA.
Man, I knew that Denver International Airport extended quite a bit eastward but, all the way to Detroit?
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Walter L. Newton Wed, Sep 2, 2009 7:06:44pm |
re: #108 Jim in Virginia
Pelosi apparently said last night, again, that the health care bill that passes the House will have a public option. Axelrod told the Politico today that Obama will drop the public option.
Did Pelosi just get tossed under the bus?
Much simpler, they keep lying to confuse the issue.
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MandyManners Wed, Sep 2, 2009 7:06:59pm |
re: #111 taxfreekiller
Beck will be up to 3 million a night soon.
Do you know what your children tune in to?
To me.
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3 wood Wed, Sep 2, 2009 7:07:33pm |
Good evening.
The market was down slightly today and the investors await more unemployment news this Friday.
Some folks are feeling good about things:
Fed officials more confident recession ending
What recovery will look like is another question
Federal Reserve officials were more confident than ever that the steep downturn in the economy was coming to an end, but had no firm grasp about the strength of the likely recovery, according to the minutes of their last policy meeting released Wednesday.Bill Hampel, chief economist at Credit Union National Association, said Fed officials were "less worried that they were too optimistic about a second half recovery."
There was some suspicion that the recovery would be pretty fragile and vulnerable to shocks.
A key unknown is whether consumer spending would be restrained and if households will maintain the new-found religion to save more of their income.
The current thinking, according to the summary, is that the recovery would be shaky at first -- likely be led by businesses rebuilding inventories. Only in 2010 would a firmer recovery take hold.
If you notice the timeline for the much awaited "recovery has been ever changing. Last fall they were saying 2nd quarter of 2009.
Then it became the 2nd half of 2009.
Then it became the 4th quarter of 2009 for sure.
Now we are hearing late 2009 to 2010.
All of which is a silly and pointless exercise.
The recovery will occur when GDP is growing and employment is on the increase. When that happens is subject to a whole lot of variables that absolutely no one can predict with any certainty.
Stay tuned for future movement of the goal posts.
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Gearhead Wed, Sep 2, 2009 7:07:48pm |
re: #108 Jim in Virginia
Pelosi apparently said last night, again, that the health care bill that passes the House will have a public option. Axelrod told the Politico today that Obama will drop the public option.
Did Pelosi just get tossed under the bus?
Poor bus.
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The 1SG Wed, Sep 2, 2009 7:08:07pm |
So, did the sock puppet formally known as NYNana, hit the round file button or is he/she still lurking about in other forms.
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quickjustice Wed, Sep 2, 2009 7:08:26pm |
The Rockefellers went for grand themes in the Art Deco public art in Rockefeller Center. Communist it's definitely not. There's a better argument that it's fascist, created back when fascism was cool.
Stiglitz was popular back then, as was his wife Georgia O'Keefe.
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MandyManners Wed, Sep 2, 2009 7:08:30pm |
re: #113 Charles
If anyone had told me last year at this time that we'd be seeing Fox News promoting Rockefeller/NWO conspiracies in September 2009, I would have laughed in their faces.
And I would have been wrong.
The GOP seems to have totally merged with the John Birch/Ron Paul lunatics.
Say hello to Democratic presidencies for the next 20 years.
Not neccessarily. This is gonna' piss off a lot of people.
Watch out, Roger Ailes.
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J.D. Wed, Sep 2, 2009 7:08:42pm |
Officer Does Not Like anti-Obama Poster: "It ain't [America] no more, OK?"
You can say that again.
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Sheila Broflovski Wed, Sep 2, 2009 7:09:27pm |
re: #98 marjoriemoon
Wow. There's an Israeli flag to the far right, but they don't have a closeup of it.
The Israeli flag and the Palestinian flag are next to each other, and they appear to be carried by an Arab.
All the paintings are just crappy cheesy New Age "I want to buy the world a Coke" junk.
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MandyManners Wed, Sep 2, 2009 7:09:29pm |
re: #119 The 1SG
Why don't you go fuck yourself with a goshdarn ratchet?
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3 wood Wed, Sep 2, 2009 7:09:38pm |
re: #115 Walter L. Newton
Much simpler, they keep lying to confuse the issue.
I'm thinking it might be even a step simpler than that.
I think they are a ball of confusion and are just saying stuff as they go along, hoping it all works out for them in the end.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Wed, Sep 2, 2009 7:09:53pm |
re: #70 MandyManners
It is not an accurate quote from the Bible. He's full of shit.
Ain't it "Let him with ears hear, let him with eyes see."? Something like that?
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unrealizedviewpoint Wed, Sep 2, 2009 7:10:16pm |
re: #125 MandyManners
Why don't you go fuck yourself with a goshdarn ratchet?
Mandy I don't think he knows what he said.
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quickjustice Wed, Sep 2, 2009 7:10:31pm |
re: #113 Charles
Fox isn't headquartered in Rockefeller Center. They're in a crappy building on the East Side. Murdoch must be jealous of NBC's digs.
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Mich-again Wed, Sep 2, 2009 7:10:56pm |
re: #113 Charles
Say hello to Democratic presidencies for at least the next 20 years.
You underestimate the ability of the Dems to shoot themselves in the foot.
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Dark_Falcon Wed, Sep 2, 2009 7:10:59pm |
re: #122 J.D.
Officer Does Not Like anti-Obama Poster: "It ain't [America] no more, OK?"
You can say that again.
As far as I can see, the officer might have been reffering to the vile sign in question. If you want to get mad at someone, get mad at the man who decided to make a sign comparing Obama to Hitler. The sign was both imflammatory and defamatory.
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unrealizedviewpoint Wed, Sep 2, 2009 7:11:08pm |
re: #125 MandyManners
Why don't you go fuck yourself with a goshdarn ratchet?
updinged for the goshdarn ratchet.
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SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Sep 2, 2009 7:11:16pm |
re: #2 buzzsawmonkey
re-posted from prior thread:
There's a famous poem, by Ogden Nash, I think, of Rockefeller arguing with Diego Rivera about the mural Rivera did; Rivera, famously, included Lenin, and when Rockefeller told him to remove the face and Rivera objected, Rockefeller is said to have replied, "It's my wall."
I don't know why Beck is so surprised: most of the public buildings done in the '30s were done in what was even then called "Mussolini Modern."
Nazi public buildings, Communist public buildings, US public buildings; they all had eagles, many had fasces. You can see this on any WPA-era post office.
They did that scene in "Cradle Will Rock". Rivera thunders "Leh-NEEN STAYS!"
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Walter L. Newton Wed, Sep 2, 2009 7:11:23pm |
re: #119 The 1SG
So, did the sock puppet formally known as NYNana, hit the round file button or is he/she still lurking about in other forms.
You don't know shit do you? Do you know what a sock puppet is? Do you know how long NYnana was a member of this blog?
This was a very unnecessary remark.
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haakondahl Wed, Sep 2, 2009 7:11:27pm |
The Axelrod/Emmanuel Bus Driving School:
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MandyManners Wed, Sep 2, 2009 7:12:23pm |
re: #119 The 1SG
Karma: 36
Registered since: Apr 16, 2008 at 5:59 pm
(Logged in)
No. of comments posted: 94
No. of links posted: 0
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avanti Wed, Sep 2, 2009 7:12:38pm |
Next from Beck: "Tinky Winky - the Gay Teletubby, perhaps ? "
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Walter L. Newton Wed, Sep 2, 2009 7:13:04pm |
re: #137 MandyManners
Karma: 36
Registered since: Apr 16, 2008 at 5:59 pm
(Logged in)No. of comments posted: 94
No. of links posted: 0
No. of brain cells: 0
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Occasional Reader Wed, Sep 2, 2009 7:13:18pm |
re: #117 3 wood
If you notice the timeline for the much awaited "recovery has been ever changing.
I've also notice we've been hearing some variation on "the worst is behind us!" for about a half year now.
Not that I don't want it to be true, but... there seems to be an odd lack of skepticism on the part of the usual financial reporters as to how long the "end of the beginning" is supposed to last.
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The 1SG Wed, Sep 2, 2009 7:13:21pm |
re: #122 J.D.
Ooh, I probably won't have gone that route with signage. Uh cuz your sign has a picture.
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J.D. Wed, Sep 2, 2009 7:13:32pm |
re: #131 Dark_Falcon
Yes, it was. But you can't arrest someone for it.
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Shug Wed, Sep 2, 2009 7:13:59pm |
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MandyManners Wed, Sep 2, 2009 7:14:30pm |
re: #141 The 1SG
Who the fuck are you to tell anyone here what to do and how to do it?
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SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Sep 2, 2009 7:14:36pm |
re: #27 Gus 802
There's a really good Diego Rivera mural at City College of San Francisco .
[Link: www.riveramural.com...]
[Link: www.riveramural.com...]
I love Rivera's work. Politics...dicey. But his painting is gorgeous.
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unrealizedviewpoint Wed, Sep 2, 2009 7:15:38pm |
What did one do before the invention of the upding?
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jorline Wed, Sep 2, 2009 7:15:44pm |
re: #125 MandyManners
Why don't you go fuck yourself with a goshdarn ratchet?
fuck...ok, Mandy's on a roll
goshdarn...Hey WTF? This isn't the Mandy I know.
/
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Cato the Elder Wed, Sep 2, 2009 7:15:45pm |
When recommending self-intercourse to a person, I prefer to offer them an auger, rather than a ratchet.
I don't know what that augurs, but a ratchet makes too much racket.
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Gus Wed, Sep 2, 2009 7:16:02pm |
OK, here's the skinny on 1211 Avenue of the Americas. It was developed by the Rockefeller Group as headquarters for the Celanese Corporation and sold its interest in 1980.
Not sure who the owner is but they have their own website for 1211 which is home to Fox News:
Located at center of Midtown Manhattan, this prestigious class A office tower is part of Rockefeller Center and Corporate Row, a collection of trophy buildings along 6th Avenue and home to many of the world’s most powerful companies.
Located between 47th and 48th streets, 1211's close proximity to the subway, Grand Central Station, and Times Square has attracted leading international firms including News America, Ropes & Gray, JP Morgan Chase, Morgan Stanley, Wachovia Securities, Westdeutsche Landesbank and RBC Dain Rauscher.
Full floors and built out suites include spectacular views of midtown Manhattan, with flexible floorplates allowing us to accommodate both small and large tenants.
Managed onsite by Cushman & Wakefield.
As you can see it is a part of what the Rockefeller Center although it is a new building.
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MandyManners Wed, Sep 2, 2009 7:16:37pm |
re: #148 jorline
fuck...ok, Mandy's on a roll
goshdarn...Hey WTF? This isn't the Mandy I know.
/
I do not take The Lord's name in vain.
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Gus Wed, Sep 2, 2009 7:16:43pm |
re: #145 SanFranciscoZionist
I love Rivera's work. Politics...dicey. But his painting is gorgeous.
Yes. I never let politics or religion get in the way of art.
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Charles Johnson Wed, Sep 2, 2009 7:16:55pm |
re: #119 The 1SG
So, did the sock puppet formally known as NYNana, hit the round file button or is he/she still lurking about in other forms.
Is there a reason why you tossed that little hand grenade into this discussion?
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Shug Wed, Sep 2, 2009 7:16:56pm |
re: #147 unrealizedviewpoint
What did one do before the invention of the upding?
make excuses about being tired
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3 wood Wed, Sep 2, 2009 7:18:01pm |
China to buy up to $50 billion of first-ever IMF bonds
SAN FRANCISCO (MarketWatch) -- The Chinese government has agreed to purchase up to $50 billion worth of International Monetary Fund bonds, the first such notes in the fund's history, the IMF said Wednesday.
The global organization said the note purchase agreement "offers China a safe investment instrument," and is part of a broader plan to help the fund weather the economic downturn.
The IMF announced plans to issue bonds to member countries in June, as part of a plan to help bolster its resources. China expressed interest at that time in purchasing the notes.
Other countries reportedly interested in purchasing the IMF bonds include Russia and India.
Oh man, China might as well take their money and burn it as buy IMF bonds.
Hey China! I'll be happy to sell you $50 billion of 3 Wood Bonds, and you will be more likely to be paid back by me than you will the IMF.
Now I have seen everything.
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SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Sep 2, 2009 7:18:08pm |
re: #40 lawhawk
If Beck did even the most remedial search, he would have found quite a bit of background on Rivera and Rockefeller.
As for the murals that could have been at Rockefeller Center, similar murals were painted for the Coit Tower in SF.
Even a basic news search would have found that Rockefeller did all he could to destroy Rivera's career after the Center mural debacle.
Once again, I can't watch the video from here. What exactly does Beck think an old left-wing influenced piece of art in New York City means? There's a ton of this stuff, left over from the 30s mostly, some of it very good. Does he feel he's learned something?
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unrealizedviewpoint Wed, Sep 2, 2009 7:18:13pm |
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Occasional Reader Wed, Sep 2, 2009 7:18:21pm |
re: #154 Shug
make excuses about being tired
I updinged you for that. But, you know, strictly in a man-hug kind of way.
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MandyManners Wed, Sep 2, 2009 7:18:27pm |
re: #153 Charles
Is there a reason why you tossed that little hand grenade into this discussion?
A member of a stalker blog?
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Mich-again Wed, Sep 2, 2009 7:18:37pm |
re: #15 yochanan
revera painted a mural for henry ford were he put v.i. lenin in it ford had it destroyed i mean this was way back in the 30's sorry beck but you are 3/4 of a century late on this hot breaking story.
That mural was not destroyed. Its still on display in Detroit. I've stood in that room dozens of times looking at that. It is pretty over the top with the whole Industry=Death theme. Especially seeing as Edsel Ford commissioned it.
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FrogMarch Wed, Sep 2, 2009 7:18:38pm |
re: #66 Killian Bundy
/I wonder if he knows about the Denver Airport murals
I cannot recall this one. wtf?
[Link: www.bibliotecapleyades.net...]
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SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Sep 2, 2009 7:19:06pm |
re: #43 taxfreekiller
If Obama does not "hell no I will not go" on Afghanistan, the anti war kook base of the Pelosi/Kerry Democrats will roast him over a fire of burning draft cards.
Where are they going to find draft cards?
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MandyManners Wed, Sep 2, 2009 7:19:12pm |
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3 wood Wed, Sep 2, 2009 7:19:46pm |
re: #140 Occasional Reader
t
here seems to be an odd lack of skepticism on the part of the usual financial reporters as to how long the "end of the beginning" is supposed to last.
Most of them never understood economics anyway. Now they have the Messiah and a tingle going up their legs.
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SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Sep 2, 2009 7:20:06pm |
re: #45 Alouette
Don't tell him about the relief of Mohammed on the U. S. Supreme Court building!
Who are the guys flanking him? Charlemagne and Justinian?
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jorline Wed, Sep 2, 2009 7:20:06pm |
re: #151 MandyManners
I do not take The Lord's name in vain.
I'm waiting for you to tell him about performing certain rope tricks.
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Dark_Falcon Wed, Sep 2, 2009 7:20:11pm |
re: #142 J.D.
Yes, it was. But you can't arrest someone for it.
The Paulian Troll was not arrested, he was simply kicked out. And he should have been booted. His sign was a clear signal that the man had come to defame, not debate. Someone who insists on holding up a sign like that wants to start a fight. Excluding him is akin to excluding someone who has a tendancy to scream "Fire!" in crowded places.
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Walter L. Newton Wed, Sep 2, 2009 7:21:05pm |
OT - (repost from earlier - one more time - for those who missed this info - for Lizards who are interested)
Some people over the last few days have wondered where Steve from New Mexico is?
He just gave me permission to pass on some info, but I will keep it to a minimum to preserve his privacy.
He has spent the last 5 days in the hospital, this was a scheduled procedure, but serious. He is ok in the sense he is not dying, but the procedure does not look like it fix anything.
So there will be a future round in the hospital, which will cause major changes to his lifestyle, but he will still be with us.
He'll be back when he can, he say's hi to all. I will repost this occasionally over the next 24 hours in hopes that any Lizard interested will see this.
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MandyManners Wed, Sep 2, 2009 7:21:21pm |
re: #168 jorline
I'm waiting for you to tell him about performing certain rope tricks.
To me, taking The Lord's name in vain is beyond the pale.
Telling someone to go piss up a rope...
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unrealizedviewpoint Wed, Sep 2, 2009 7:21:55pm |
re: #169 Dark_Falcon
The Paulian Troll was not arrested, he was simply kicked out. And he should have been booted. His sign was a clear signal that the man had come to defame, not debate. Someone who insists on holding up a sign like that wants to start a fight. Excluding him is akin to excluding someone who has a tendancy to scream "Fire!" in crowded places.
That's an opinion. Not one I would have expected.
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SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Sep 2, 2009 7:21:55pm |
re: #52 haakondahl
I certainly hope Alex Jones does not whip out his stuff.
And if he whips out anyone else's stuff without permission, we have a whole different problem.
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Sheila Broflovski Wed, Sep 2, 2009 7:22:00pm |
re: #161 Mich-again
That mural was not destroyed. Its still on display in Detroit. I've stood in that room dozens of times looking at that. It is pretty over the top with the whole Industry=Death theme. Especially seeing as Edsel Ford commissioned it.
Here is the mural. It just reminds me that I haven't been to the Detroit Art Museum in almost 40 years, even though I live just north of the border in Southfield.
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JarHeadLifer Wed, Sep 2, 2009 7:22:12pm |
Well, that's officially the longest I have ever watched Beck in one sitting. He's just too much for me to handle. But, I don't really see what all the fuss is about, either from Beck's perspective or about Beck himself. Yep, a lot of the architecture from the 1920's, 30's and even 40's incorporates some subtle celebration of communism or socialism. It says less about the building's owner, and much more about the building's architect - many of whom were famous leftists - then and today.
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jaunte Wed, Sep 2, 2009 7:22:13pm |
re: #171 Walter L. Newton
Saw that earlier, but couldn't type a reply. Please pass along my best wishes and hopes for his speedy recovery.
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Occasional Reader Wed, Sep 2, 2009 7:22:23pm |
re: #162 FrogMarch
I cannot recall this one. wtf?
[Link: www.bibliotecapleyades.net...]
The news about the Sekrit New World Ordur DIA murals was broken years ago here at LGF, in connection with Yours Truly breaking the story of the reptilian aliens (including Charles) living underneath said airport.
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MandyManners Wed, Sep 2, 2009 7:23:05pm |
I got so much sand in my shorts that I gotta' go for a while.
NO. 119, YOU SUCK DONKEY.
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jorline Wed, Sep 2, 2009 7:23:21pm |
re: #172 MandyManners
To me, taking The Lord's name in vain is beyond the pale.
Telling someone to go piss up a rope...
{Mandy} Remind me to never piss you off. ;)
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SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Sep 2, 2009 7:23:51pm |
re: #66 Killian Bundy
/I wonder if he knows about the Denver Airport murals
I'm suddenty having a vision of Beck travelling the country, showing his viewers Communist art in various locations. Like the nice nun who does the art tours, but more hyper and political.
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FrogMarch Wed, Sep 2, 2009 7:24:01pm |
re: #178 Occasional Reader
The news about the Sekrit New World Ordur DIA murals was broken years ago here at LGF, in connection with Yours Truly breaking the story of the reptilian aliens (including Charles) living underneath said airport.
As usual, I missed it.
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haakondahl Wed, Sep 2, 2009 7:24:19pm |
re: #104 Gus 802
Communist symbolism on art at the Rockefeller center housing bad NBC.
Rockefeller foundation give money to bad man Van Jones.
/
Thanks, by the way.
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unrealizedviewpoint Wed, Sep 2, 2009 7:24:34pm |
re: #177 jaunte
Saw that earlier, but couldn't type a reply. Please pass along my best wishes and hopes for his speedy recovery.
We need create a digital card and everyone should sign it. "We" as in someone who 's good at that stuff.
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Occasional Reader Wed, Sep 2, 2009 7:24:38pm |
re: #156 3 wood
China to buy up to $50 billion of first-ever IMF bonds
Oh man, China might as well take their money and burn it as buy IMF bonds.Hey China! I'll be happy to sell you $50 billion of 3 Wood Bonds, and you will be more likely to be paid back by me than you will the IMF.
Now I have seen everything.
Actually, I disagree with you here. IMF bonds will be repaid... count on it. Even if money has to be "printed", in massive quantities, to do so.
| 188 |
Shug Wed, Sep 2, 2009 7:24:50pm |
Alex Jones reminds me of the Sam Kinnison teacher character in Back to School.
the voice, the craziness.
| 189 |
Gus Wed, Sep 2, 2009 7:25:00pm |
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Charles Johnson Wed, Sep 2, 2009 7:25:12pm |
If anyone's interested, LGF haters are congregating here:
[Link: host7.parachat.com...]
Discovered when they posted a link to the earlier "Freak-Out" article from their little hate room.
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Dark_Falcon Wed, Sep 2, 2009 7:25:26pm |
re: #173 unrealizedviewpoint
That's an opinion. Not one I would have expected.
Why not? Not arguing, just asking. If you think I am in error, tell me so.
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Shug Wed, Sep 2, 2009 7:25:30pm |
re: #171 Walter L. Newton
thanks for that Walter. Please tell him to Get well Soon
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Walter L. Newton Wed, Sep 2, 2009 7:25:41pm |
re: #177 jaunte
Saw that earlier, but couldn't type a reply. Please pass along my best wishes and hopes for his speedy recovery.
Clipped and pasted your comment and on it's way in an email.
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Walter L. Newton Wed, Sep 2, 2009 7:26:11pm |
re: #192 Shug
thanks for that Walter. Please tell him to Get well Soon
Clipped and pasted your comment and on it's way in an email.
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Mich-again Wed, Sep 2, 2009 7:26:11pm |
re: #175 Alouette
Here is the mural. It just reminds me that I haven't been to the Detroit Art Museum in almost 40 years, even though I live just north of the border in Southfield.
Thats just part of it actually. I went to WSU and used to hang out at the DIA a lot to spend time between classes. Great collection of suits of armor and so many incredible paintings.
But the DIA doesn't hold a candle to the Toledo Museum. That is a must see for anyone around here. Its a sleeper, no one talks much about it, but in one room after another the collection of artwork just blows you away.
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Occasional Reader Wed, Sep 2, 2009 7:26:14pm |
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Shug Wed, Sep 2, 2009 7:27:01pm |
re: #194 Walter L. Newton
Clipped and pasted your comment and on it's way in an email.
Speaking of folks that I haven't seen around lately, how is Dustyvet?
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3 wood Wed, Sep 2, 2009 7:27:20pm |
re: #170 taxfreekiller
What China has is like the Dot Com. money.
Its not real so the spend it like that.
If the CFO of any bank I was involved with used bank funds to buy some IMF bonds, I'd divest myself immediately.
In fact, tomorrow morning first thing I'm calling my broker to go over my holdings and make dang sure of that very thing.
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unrealizedviewpoint Wed, Sep 2, 2009 7:27:24pm |
re: #191 Dark_Falcon
Why not? Not arguing, just asking. If you think I am in error, tell me so.
I'm getting reallly tired, but, comparing a sign with a picture of a political person jokerfaced is far from yelling fire in a crowded theatre IMO. Freedom of speech and all that...
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The 1SG Wed, Sep 2, 2009 7:27:27pm |
re: #153 Charles
Yeah; last week (or so) I was surprised to hear someone describe this person as a sockpuppet. Prior to that I had a interesting conversation with her/him about gun control. It was not productive as he/she declined to answer with other questions.
So I asked to find out if said "prior" information was accurate not accurate or if said person was or wasn't said sockpuppet or was it some other issue.
I don't have the info to retrieve and I am willing to withdraw my comment, because it could be I mistakenly thought it was NY Nana but it could have been another similar looking NY*** name. I thought it was Nana, but I have been wrong before.
I am delayed here as I am also cooking.
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Walter L. Newton Wed, Sep 2, 2009 7:27:46pm |
re: #197 Shug
Speaking of folks that I haven't seen around lately, how is Dustyvet?
I haven't heard anything from him in a few months. I guess I could email him.
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Dancing along the light of day Wed, Sep 2, 2009 7:28:25pm |
re: #190 Charles
I'm always amazed at the stalking/hate that follows you & this blog.
Don't these people have anything better to do?
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experiencedtraveller Wed, Sep 2, 2009 7:28:30pm |
Communists in NYC?
Sheesh, I coulda told you that.
The sad part is they don't KNOW they are communists...
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3 wood Wed, Sep 2, 2009 7:28:31pm |
re: #187 Occasional Reader
Actually, I disagree with you here. IMF bonds will be repaid... count on it. Even if money has to be "printed", in massive quantities, to do so.
It will be the equivalent of confederate money, OR. Why take the risk when you don't have to?
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Shug Wed, Sep 2, 2009 7:28:44pm |
re: #201 Walter L. Newton
I haven't heard anything from him in a few months. I guess I could email him.
I was just curious how he was doing and if he made it out to his Sister's funeral
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haakondahl Wed, Sep 2, 2009 7:28:45pm |
re: #171 Walter L. Newton
OT - (repost from earlier - one more time - for those who missed this info - for Lizards who are interested)
Some people over the last few days have wondered where Steve from New Mexico is?
He just gave me permission to pass on some info, but I will keep it to a minimum to preserve his privacy.
He has spent the last 5 days in the hospital, this was a scheduled procedure, but serious. He is ok in the sense he is not dying, but the procedure does not look like it fix anything.
So there will be a future round in the hospital, which will cause major changes to his lifestyle, but he will still be with us.
He'll be back when he can, he say's hi to all. I will repost this occasionally over the next 24 hours in hopes that any Lizard interested will see this.
Please tell Steve we're all pulling for him, of course. I don't know if he'll be crapping in a bag, or walking in circles, or have a collection of Michael Jackson noses or what, but as long as he can still obtain fresh Hatch green chile, he'll be okay. Tell him I said that. Every bit.
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FrogMarch Wed, Sep 2, 2009 7:29:25pm |
re: #171 Walter L. Newton
Get well wishes from Frogmarch. *cybercafe smooch on the forehead.*
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SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Sep 2, 2009 7:29:40pm |
re: #138 avanti
Next from Beck: "Tinky Winky - the Gay Teletubby, perhaps ? "
Mine eyes have seen the Teletubby
And his cutesy little purse.
He wears a purple outfit,
And, dear friends, what's even worse,
He doesn't scratch or spit or belch,
He doesn't even curse.
What kind of guy is he?
CHORUS
Tinky Winky is a fairy.
Moral Morons must be wary.
Ignorance like theirs is scary.
And Tinky Winky's gay.
I have seen his little triangle
Where it sits upon his head,
And we all know it's a symbol
For the shame that can't be said.
Now we have to purge this danger
Or our little boys will wed
A wife whose name is Ed.
CHORUS
His defenders say his purse is nothing
But a magic little bag.
That's a cover-up, as we all know,
He's just a little fag!
We cannot let a Teletubby
Appear in purple drag,
Moron Morality.
CHORUS
Yes, they call him Tinky Winky.
Does that name sound straight to you?
If he weren't homosexual,
His clothing would be blue!
He's subversive and perverted,
And his pal's a Laa-Laa, too.
Moron Morality.
CHORUS
We have seen this Tinky Winky
Near the San Francisco bay.
He's the Marshall of the big parade
They hold on Gay Pride Day.
We'll all join hands and hold a protest
As we march the Moron way.
Moron Morality.
CHORUS
He's teaching all our 2 year-olds that gayness is no curse.
He is tearing down the fabric of our moral universe.
If left unchecked, our kids may grow up unperverse.
Moron Morality.
CHORUS
Jerry Falwell is our hero,
He's the one to lead the fight.
He has seen the truth and spoken out,
He'll lead us further right,
Where we will join the multitude
Who just ain't none too bright.
Moron Morality.
CHORUS
In a quiet Southern village Jerry was born into a haze,
With an anger in his bosom that would last him all his days.
As he works to teach us hatred, let us go and bash some gays.
Moron Morality.
(final)CHORUS
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reine.de.tout Wed, Sep 2, 2009 7:29:47pm |
re: #171 Walter L. Newton
OT - (repost from earlier - one more time - for those who missed this info - for Lizards who are interested)
Some people over the last few days have wondered where Steve from New Mexico is?
He just gave me permission to pass on some info, but I will keep it to a minimum to preserve his privacy.
He has spent the last 5 days in the hospital, this was a scheduled procedure, but serious. He is ok in the sense he is not dying, but the procedure does not look like it fix anything.
So there will be a future round in the hospital, which will cause major changes to his lifestyle, but he will still be with us.
He'll be back when he can, he say's hi to all. I will repost this occasionally over the next 24 hours in hopes that any Lizard interested will see this.
This is albusteve, correct?
If you are in contact with him, please tell him he's in my prayers. thanks.
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Sheila Broflovski Wed, Sep 2, 2009 7:29:54pm |
re: #178 Occasional Reader
The news about the Sekrit New World Ordur DIA murals was broken years ago here at LGF, in connection with Yours Truly breaking the story of the reptilian aliens (including Charles) living underneath said airport.
Here is the secret. (You can click on the link, but then we will have to kill you)
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haakondahl Wed, Sep 2, 2009 7:30:08pm |
re: #198 3 wood
If the CFO of any bank I was involved with used bank funds to buy some IMF bonds, I'd divest myself immediately.
...in a chair.
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Occasional Reader Wed, Sep 2, 2009 7:30:14pm |
re: #205 3 wood
It will be the equivalent of confederate money, OR. Why take the risk when you don't have to?
But if they issue funny money to pay for that, they'll be issuing funny money for the rest of us, anyway.
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FrogMarch Wed, Sep 2, 2009 7:30:18pm |
re: #190 Charles
If anyone's interested, LGF haters are congregating here:
[Link: host7.parachat.com...]
Discovered when they posted a link to the earlier "Freak-Out" article from their little hate room.
All it says is "username".
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jorline Wed, Sep 2, 2009 7:30:22pm |
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3 wood Wed, Sep 2, 2009 7:30:32pm |
re: #171 Walter L. Newton
Walter, please tell Steve I said Hi and to hang in there, I'm praying for him.
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calcajun Wed, Sep 2, 2009 7:30:43pm |
re: #207 haakondahl
Please tell Steve we're all pulling for him, of course. I don't know if he'll be crapping in a bag, or walking in circles, or have a collection of Michael Jackson noses or what, but as long as he can still obtain fresh Hatch green chile, he'll be okay. Tell him I said that. Every bit.
Hear hear.
--uh he still be "Steve" when he gets out, won't he?///
Tell 'im to be careful about those organ donor cards!
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Gus Wed, Sep 2, 2009 7:30:44pm |
Current owner for 1211 Avenue of the Americas (or 6th Avenue) is 1211 6th Avenue Syndication Partners Jv, L.P.
Finance Property Tax which is due on 1/1/2010 is $14,546,710.98
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Occasional Reader Wed, Sep 2, 2009 7:31:16pm |
re: #171 Walter L. Newton
Please tell him we're pulling for him. And thanks for posting this, Walter.
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haakondahl Wed, Sep 2, 2009 7:31:32pm |
re: #204 experiencedtraveller
Communists in NYC?
Sheesh, I coulda told you that.
The sad part is they don't KNOW they are communists...
Now how can you say somebody is a communist if they themselves don't know they are communists?
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OldLineTexan Wed, Sep 2, 2009 7:32:03pm |
re: #18 Killgore Trout
Is it just me or is he getting crazier since the boycott?
"Persecution is proof that you're right, and they're trying to silence you."
/ancient moonbat-wackjob proverb
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Charles Johnson Wed, Sep 2, 2009 7:32:03pm |
re: #214 FrogMarch
All it says is "username".
You have to give it a username to log in. If you do that, you'll find yourself in a nest of vipers.
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Walter L. Newton Wed, Sep 2, 2009 7:32:25pm |
re: #207 haakondahl
Please tell Steve we're all pulling for him, of course. I don't know if he'll be crapping in a bag, or walking in circles, or have a collection of Michael Jackson noses or what, but as long as he can still obtain fresh Hatch green chile, he'll be okay. Tell him I said that. Every bit.
Clipped and pasted the whole thing into an email and sent it on to him. His problem is not any of the typical "age" related things, it's rather more serious than one would imagine. One could say best part is this is not going to kill him, but it's going to be a big change in his lifestyle.
I'll let him tell all when he wants, or when he wants me to.
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Gus Wed, Sep 2, 2009 7:32:34pm |
re: #223 Charles
You have to give it a username to log in. If you do that, you'll find yourself in a nest of vipers.
Are they all bent out of shape?
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unrealizedviewpoint Wed, Sep 2, 2009 7:32:49pm |
re: #221 haakondahl
Now how can you say somebody is a communist if they themselves don't know they are communists?
Maybe by their words & actions?
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SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Sep 2, 2009 7:32:51pm |
re: #161 Mich-again
That mural was not destroyed. Its still on display in Detroit. I've stood in that room dozens of times looking at that. It is pretty over the top with the whole Industry=Death theme. Especially seeing as Edsel Ford commissioned it.
Wasn't the one he did for Rockefeller destroyed? Wait, did Rivera take two commissions from two captains of industry and tick them both off by putting Lenin in them? Or is this the same story, attributed to two different locales?
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J.D. Wed, Sep 2, 2009 7:32:52pm |
re: #169 Dark_Falcon
My only point is that the same laws apply whether it's George Bush they're defaming or it's Barack Obama.
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calcajun Wed, Sep 2, 2009 7:33:43pm |
re: #223 Charles
Anesta Vypers? Wasn't she a "B" -movie queen from the 1950's?
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reine.de.tout Wed, Sep 2, 2009 7:33:44pm |
Is buzzsawmonkey around?
My daughter needs a song that "shows the language of body to show true love"
???
Any suggestions?
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FrogMarch Wed, Sep 2, 2009 7:34:18pm |
re: #211 Alouette
Here is the secret. (You can click on the link, but then we will have to kill you)
Little do they realize the terrible truth about LFG. You see, “Charles” is really a cigar-smoking reptilian android from the planetoid Aidemydni, who lives in a top secret nitrogen-filled bomb shelter (why doesn’t the nitrogen explode when I smoke? ah ah! that would be telling!) concealed beneath Denver International Airport. Bwa hahaha! Soon the Earth will be mine, and my lizardoid armies will herd the peace activists into brutal repression camps, the better to slaughter them and feast on their gamy buttocks! Bwa hahaha!
I remember that.
Anyway - Can anyone tell me what this is? I really am curious. Was this a temporary exhibit at DIA? I have traveled through DIA many times - I cannot recall ever seeing these images.
Comforting B-4 a flight.
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unrealizedviewpoint Wed, Sep 2, 2009 7:34:22pm |
re: #223 Charles
You have to give it a username to log in. If you do that, you'll find yourself in a nest of vipers.
It's probably more fun to mock them from this vanish point. Cleaner too, probably.
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bogdon6 Wed, Sep 2, 2009 7:34:54pm |
Beck's point was that the arts, especially taxpayer funded National Endowment for the Arts shouldn't be used for propaganda. He showed this progressive art to show how it was used in the past. Is that crazy talk? I don't know. You tell me.
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haakondahl Wed, Sep 2, 2009 7:35:14pm |
re: #218 calcajun
Hear hear.
--uh he still be "Steve" when he gets out, won't he?///
Tell 'im to be careful about those organ donor cards!
Albushirley will be hard to get used to.
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Mich-again Wed, Sep 2, 2009 7:35:36pm |
re: #227 SanFranciscoZionist
Wasn't the one he did for Rockefeller destroyed? Wait, did Rivera take two commissions from two captains of industry and tick them both off by putting Lenin in them? Or is this the same story, attributed to two different locales?
Nope. 2 separate stories. The Diego mural in Detroit was controversial but was left alone and is still on display. The Diego mural for the Rockefeller Center was destroyed. But then he recreated that one in Mexico City.
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SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Sep 2, 2009 7:35:40pm |
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jaunte Wed, Sep 2, 2009 7:35:46pm |
re: #235 bogdon6
The arts have always been used for propaganda.
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FrogMarch Wed, Sep 2, 2009 7:35:58pm |
re: #223 Charles
You have to give it a username to log in. If you do that, you'll find yourself in a nest of vipers.
I think I'll pass.
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haakondahl Wed, Sep 2, 2009 7:35:58pm |
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Gus Wed, Sep 2, 2009 7:36:07pm |
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Dark_Falcon Wed, Sep 2, 2009 7:36:14pm |
re: #199 unrealizedviewpoint
I'm getting reallly tired, but, comparing a sign with a picture of a political person jokerfaced is far from yelling fire in a crowded theatre IMO. Freedom of speech and all that...
There are differences, and you are right in many ways. I'll revise my opinion in light of your critique:
The protester in question has the right to speak, but not the right to lie. His sign's message and imagry were outright falsehoods. A sign like that should not be allowed into a town hall meeting.
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unrealizedviewpoint Wed, Sep 2, 2009 7:37:09pm |
re: #244 Dark_Falcon
There are differences, and you are right in many ways. I'll revise my opinion in light of your critique:
The protester in question has the right to speak, but not the right to lie. His sign's message and imagry were outright falsehoods. A sign like that should not be allowed into a town hall meeting.
Oh, so now the thought police are here. I understand.
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Van Helsing Wed, Sep 2, 2009 7:37:18pm |
re: #242 haakondahl
What if they deny it?
Then you ask them if they are progressives. They'll probably cop to that.
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Shug Wed, Sep 2, 2009 7:37:21pm |
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experiencedtraveller Wed, Sep 2, 2009 7:37:28pm |
re: #221 haakondahl
Now how can you say somebody is a communist if they themselves don't know they are communists?
You are unaware of the tactics of linguistic deception?
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Charles Johnson Wed, Sep 2, 2009 7:37:44pm |
Here come the sleepers!
Bogdon6
(Logged in)
Registered since: Jun 26, 2005 at 1:05 pm
No. of comments posted: 2
No. of links posted: 0
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3 wood Wed, Sep 2, 2009 7:37:47pm |
re: #230 reine.de.tout
My daughter needs a song that "shows the language of body to show true love"
You Shook Me All Night Long - AC/DC
Fell Like Making Love - Bad Company
Whole Lotta Love - Led Zeppilin
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Dark_Falcon Wed, Sep 2, 2009 7:38:25pm |
re: #209 SanFranciscoZionist
LMAO! Great job as always, BSM!
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unrealizedviewpoint Wed, Sep 2, 2009 7:38:30pm |
re: #244 Dark_Falcon
There are differences, and you are right in many ways. I'll revise my opinion in light of your critique:
The protester in question has the right to speak, but not the right to lie. His sign's message and imagry were outright falsehoods. A sign like that should not be allowed into a town hall meeting.
BTW - The man was not inside the meeting. He was outside holding the sign. The Thought Cop threatened to arrest him if he raised the sign again.
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jorline Wed, Sep 2, 2009 7:38:43pm |
re: #171 Walter L. Newton
OT - (repost from earlier - one more time - for those who missed this info - for Lizards who are interested)
Some people over the last few days have wondered where Steve from New Mexico is?
He just gave me permission to pass on some info, but I will keep it to a minimum to preserve his privacy.
He has spent the last 5 days in the hospital, this was a scheduled procedure, but serious. He is ok in the sense he is not dying, but the procedure does not look like it fix anything.
So there will be a future round in the hospital, which will cause major changes to his lifestyle, but he will still be with us.
He'll be back when he can, he say's hi to all. I will repost this occasionally over the next 24 hours in hopes that any Lizard interested will see this.
Walter, please let Steve know we're pulling for him and expect him back soon...no screwing off. I know he had some health issues and was reluctant to discuss them.
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Occasional Reader Wed, Sep 2, 2009 7:38:57pm |
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Van Helsing Wed, Sep 2, 2009 7:39:29pm |
re: #252 3 wood
You Shook Me All Night Long - AC/DC
Fell Like Making Love - Bad Company
Whole Lotta Love - Led Zeppilin
Latex Solar Beef - Frank Zappa and the Mothers of Invention
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haakondahl Wed, Sep 2, 2009 7:39:33pm |
re: #252 3 wood
You Shook Me All Night Long - AC/DC
Fell Like Making Love - Bad Company
Whole Lotta Love - Led Zeppilin
Well, there's Back in the Saddle, by Aerosmith, but I wouldn't go putting that into your daughter's hands in this context.
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Ojoe Wed, Sep 2, 2009 7:39:45pm |
I used to listen to Beck on KNEW about 2 or 3 years ago. He was OK, an honest recovering alcoholic it seemed to me.
Then yesterday I tuned him in to check after an interval of about 2 years. He's way different. He sounds mad. I can't believe the uncharity of his employers at keeping him on the air.
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Shug Wed, Sep 2, 2009 7:40:01pm |
re: #256 Occasional Reader
YOU. ROCK.
I loved that movie.
I lasted about 1 minute. Asked them if this is purgatory where dead lizards go.
got bored and FLOUNCED OFF
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Mich-again Wed, Sep 2, 2009 7:40:03pm |
re: #237 Walter L. Newton
Pulling for Steve to make a full recovery and get back here soon.
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Killian Bundy Wed, Sep 2, 2009 7:40:11pm |
re: #252 3 wood
You Shook Me All Night Long - AC/DC
Fell Like Making Love - Bad Company
Whole Lotta Love - Led Zeppilin
/The Lemon Song!
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kochsr Wed, Sep 2, 2009 7:40:11pm |
Good grief! Glen Beck again. The best Fox News show is on directly after Beck - the Brett Baier (used to be Brit Hume) News Hour.
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unrealizedviewpoint Wed, Sep 2, 2009 7:40:38pm |
re: #244 Dark_Falcon
There are differences, and you are right in many ways. I'll revise my opinion in light of your critique:
The protester in question has the right to speak, but not the right to lie. His sign's message and imagry were outright falsehoods. A sign like that should not be allowed into a town hall meeting.
We need have all these folks arrested because they also are liars.
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OldLineTexan Wed, Sep 2, 2009 7:40:58pm |
re: #230 reine.de.tout
Is buzzsawmonkey around?
My daughter needs a song that "shows the language of body to show true love"
???
Any suggestions?
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Mich-again Wed, Sep 2, 2009 7:41:15pm |
re: #230 reine.de.tout
My daughter needs a song that "shows the language of body to show true love"
"Down to the River to Pray" by the Von Trapp children.
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What, me worry? Wed, Sep 2, 2009 7:41:21pm |
re: #228 J.D.
My only point is that the same laws apply whether it's George Bush they're defaming or it's Barack Obama.
If it makes any difference, the officer was personally offended by the photo, picture, whatever you call it. It's reverse blackface. I agree with the officer, although I'm not Black. I find it to be a racist image.
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J.D. Wed, Sep 2, 2009 7:41:28pm |
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haakondahl Wed, Sep 2, 2009 7:41:39pm |
I think we just had a small earthquake over here in Japan.
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OldLineTexan Wed, Sep 2, 2009 7:42:04pm |
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HelloDare Wed, Sep 2, 2009 7:42:07pm |
I'd still take her over Michelle.
I have been abducted by aliens, says Japan's first lady
Miyuki Hatoyama, wife of Japan's Prime Minister-elect, Yukio Hatoyama, is a lifestyle guru, a macrobiotics enthusiast, an author of cookery books, a retired actress, a divorcee, and a fearless clothes horse for garments of her own creation, including a skirt made from Hawaiian coffee sacks. But there is more, much more. She has travelled to the planet Venus. And she was once abducted by aliens.The 62-year-old also knew Tom Cruise in a former incarnation – when he was Japanese – and is now looking forward to making a Hollywood movie with him. "I believe he'd get it if I said to him, 'Long time no see', when we meet," she said in a recent interview. But it is her claim in a book entitled "Very Strange Things I've Encountered" that she was abducted by aliens while she slept one night 20 years ago, that has suddenly drawn attention following last Sunday's poll.
"While my body was asleep, I think my soul rode on a triangular-shaped UFO and went to Venus," she explains in the tome she published last year. "It was a very beautiful place, and it was very green."
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The Shadow Do Wed, Sep 2, 2009 7:42:16pm |
re: #223 Charles
You have to give it a username to log in. If you do that, you'll find yourself in a nest of vipers.
I checked in as "Spot". When encouraged to type I said I could not type and hold point at the same time. I don't think they got my little joke.
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haakondahl Wed, Sep 2, 2009 7:42:28pm |
re: #270 marjoriemoon
If it makes any difference, the officer was personally offended by the photo, picture, whatever you call it. It's reverse blackface. I agree with the officer, although I'm not Black. I find it to be a racist image.
I disagree, as I thought it was the "Joker" image, which while tasteless, isn't racist.
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Killian Bundy Wed, Sep 2, 2009 7:42:35pm |
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haakondahl Wed, Sep 2, 2009 7:42:52pm |
re: #275 The Shadow Do
I checked in as "Spot". When encouraged to type I said I could not type and hold point at the same time. I don't think they got my little joke.
Good Boy.
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FrogMarch Wed, Sep 2, 2009 7:43:05pm |
re: #264 unrealizedviewpoint
We need have all these folks arrested because they also are liars.
Imagine, if you will, all of those same signs with an image of Obama (or anyone, really) instead of Bush.
The MSM's past silence was deafening.
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Ojoe Wed, Sep 2, 2009 7:43:18pm |
re: #274 HelloDare
"It was a very beautiful place, and it was very green."
Venus' surface is hot enough to melt lead.
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Dark_Falcon Wed, Sep 2, 2009 7:43:27pm |
re: #246 unrealizedviewpoint
Oh, so now the thought police are here. I understand.
I'm not trying to act as the thought police. My intention is to allow an exchange of ideas. A kook like that guy just wants to turn the meeting into a screaming match. Given the clear intent demonstrated by the sign, i think the decision to exclude can be defended. I want speech and debate, and to arrest the man for simply having the sign would have been wrong. Does that position satisfy you?
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The Shadow Do Wed, Sep 2, 2009 7:43:40pm |
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3 wood Wed, Sep 2, 2009 7:43:48pm |
re: #262 Killian Bundy
/The Lemon Song!
Hot Legs - Rod Stweart
Hot and Nasty - Humble Pie
Satisfaction - Stones
Sorry folks, evidence of a misspent youth playing rock on electric guitar.
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OldLineTexan Wed, Sep 2, 2009 7:43:50pm |
re: #255 jorline
Walter, please let Steve know we're pulling for him and expect him back soon...no screwing off. I know he had some health issues and was reluctant to discuss them.
and tell him to keep his goshdarned hands off the nurses
/
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avanti Wed, Sep 2, 2009 7:43:55pm |
re: #131 Dark_Falcon
As far as I can see, the officer might have been reffering to the vile sign in question. If you want to get mad at someone, get mad at the man who decided to make a sign comparing Obama to Hitler. The sign was both imflammatory and defamatory.
The video was cut off when the other guy was trying to explain the rules about signs like that on school property. The sign was probably made to get the response it got. I recall the Supreme Court just ruled against some students with a "pro pot" sign on or near school property.
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HelloDare Wed, Sep 2, 2009 7:44:01pm |
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Sharmuta Wed, Sep 2, 2009 7:44:12pm |
OK- wtf? In under a minute Glenn Beck assumes he's talking to men. "If you or your wife watches the today show..." WTH? Maybe some glenn beck viewers have husbands!
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Van Helsing Wed, Sep 2, 2009 7:44:23pm |
re: #277 Killian Bundy
I miss Frank.
Left the building waay too early.
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unrealizedviewpoint Wed, Sep 2, 2009 7:44:46pm |
re: #282 Dark_Falcon
I'm not trying to act as the thought police. My intention is to allow an exchange of ideas. A kook like that guy just wants to turn the meeting into a screaming match. Given the clear intent demonstrated by the sign, i think the decision to exclude can be defended. I want speech and debate, and to arrest the man for simply having the sign would have been wrong. Does that position satisfy you?
:)
btw - I understand there is an outright ban on signs at many town halls.
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Walter L. Newton Wed, Sep 2, 2009 7:44:47pm |
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What, me worry? Wed, Sep 2, 2009 7:44:59pm |
re: #230 reine.de.tout
Is buzzsawmonkey around?
My daughter needs a song that "shows the language of body to show true love"
???
Any suggestions?
You think Stevie Nicks, Landslide? ... "I climbed a mountain turned around, and saw my reflection in the snow covered hills, where the landslide brought me town. Oh mirror in the sky what is love..."
She's a good poet.
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Irenicum Wed, Sep 2, 2009 7:46:14pm |
Howdy gang! Just arrived. Busy day. Oh yeah, I got accepted to Gordon Conwell for their MA program. I move on Monday to Boston. Booyeah!
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What, me worry? Wed, Sep 2, 2009 7:46:21pm |
re: #276 haakondahl
I disagree, as I thought it was the "Joker" image, which while tasteless, isn't racist.
You feel that way. He didn't feel that way. If I saw what I interpreted to be a Nazi image, I would have responded the same.
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jaunte Wed, Sep 2, 2009 7:46:46pm |
re: #230 reine.de.tout
Is buzzsawmonkey around?
My daughter needs a song that "shows the language of body to show true love"
???
Any suggestions?
That old black magic has me in its spell,
that old black magic that you weave so well.
Those icy fingers up and down my spine
That same old witchcraft when your eyes meet mine.
The same old tingle that I feel inside,
and then that elevator starts its ride
And down and down I go,
round and round I go,
like a leaf that's caught in the tide.
I should stay away, but what can I do?
I hear your name and I'm aflame
Aflame with such a burning desire
that only your kiss can put out the fire.
For you're the lover I have waited for,
the mate that fate had me created for.
And every time your lips meet mine, darling,
down and down I go, round and round I go
In a spin, loving the spin I'm in,
under that old black magic called love.
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What, me worry? Wed, Sep 2, 2009 7:46:58pm |
re: #294 marjoriemoon
You think Stevie Nicks, Landslide? ... "I climbed a mountain turned around, and saw my reflection in the snow covered hills, where the landslide brought me town. Oh mirror in the sky what is love..."
She's a good poet.
I have really been mis-typing tonight... it's very embarrassing.
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experiencedtraveller Wed, Sep 2, 2009 7:47:08pm |
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Ojoe Wed, Sep 2, 2009 7:47:53pm |
re: #299 Irenicum
It is shameful to keep him on the air, I think.
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What, me worry? Wed, Sep 2, 2009 7:48:21pm |
re: #298 jaunte
That old black magic has me in its spell,
that old black magic that you weave so well.
Those icy fingers up and down my spine
That same old witchcraft when your eyes meet mine.
The same old tingle that I feel inside,
and then that elevator starts its ride
And down and down I go,
round and round I go,
like a leaf that's caught in the tide.
I should stay away, but what can I do?
I hear your name and I'm aflame
Aflame with such a burning desire
that only your kiss can put out the fire.
For you're the lover I have waited for,
the mate that fate had me created for.
And every time your lips meet mine, darling,
down and down I go, round and round I go
In a spin, loving the spin I'm in,
under that old black magic called love.
That's very good!
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unrealizedviewpoint Wed, Sep 2, 2009 7:48:25pm |
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J.D. Wed, Sep 2, 2009 7:48:29pm |
re: #244 Dark_Falcon
There are differences, and you are right in many ways. I'll revise my opinion in light of your critique:
The protester in question has the right to speak, but not the right to lie. His sign's message and imagry were outright falsehoods. A sign like that should not be allowed into a town hall meeting.
Many people have been compared to Hitler.
Charles.
Me.
Others.
Haven't you?
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esch Wed, Sep 2, 2009 7:48:29pm |
re: #289 Sharmuta
OK- wtf? In under a minute Glenn Beck assumes he's talking to men. "If you or your wife watches the today show..." WTH? Maybe some glenn beck viewers have husbands!
Wups. Hopefully he meant to say spouse and had a brainfart.
But I doubt it.
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Sharmuta Wed, Sep 2, 2009 7:48:31pm |
1:35 mark and I have a headache.
In my city, we have a bank with similar art on the outside. A BANK!
He's a total idiot!
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MandyManners Wed, Sep 2, 2009 7:48:39pm |
re: #272 haakondahl
I think we just had a small earthquake over here in Japan.
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jaunte Wed, Sep 2, 2009 7:48:57pm |
re: #303 marjoriemoon
Of course, it might just be infatuation!
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Bogdon6 Wed, Sep 2, 2009 7:49:04pm |
re: #250 Charles
You know how it is Charles. Lost time listener, 1st (really 2nd) time commenter.
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Bagua Wed, Sep 2, 2009 7:49:10pm |
re: #302 Ojoe
It is shameful to keep him on the air, I think.
Agreed, only fringe wachos and anti-semites whitter on about the Rockefellers.
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Walter L. Newton Wed, Sep 2, 2009 7:49:34pm |
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reine.de.tout Wed, Sep 2, 2009 7:49:51pm |
re: #252 3 wood
You Shook Me All Night Long - AC/DC
Fell Like Making Love - Bad Company
Whole Lotta Love - Led Zeppilin
"love", not "lust".
She ended up choosing "Front Porch Looking In', by Lonestar.
But thank you kindly!
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experiencedtraveller Wed, Sep 2, 2009 7:50:11pm |
On deception:
Deception should reinforce enemy expectations.
Deception should have realistic timing and duration.
Deception should be integrated with operations.
Deception should be coordinated with concealment of true intentions.
Deception realism should be tailored to needs of the setting.
Deception should be imaginative and creative.
-Fowler & Nesbitt, 1995
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SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Sep 2, 2009 7:50:20pm |
re: #235 bogdon6
Beck's point was that the arts, especially taxpayer funded National Endowment for the Arts shouldn't be used for propaganda. He showed this progressive art to show how it was used in the past. Is that crazy talk? I don't know. You tell me.
The NEA gave my school a grant. We now have a beautiful set of laminated mini-posters of American art.
| 318 |
Mad Al-Jaffee Wed, Sep 2, 2009 7:50:24pm |
OT - Beavis & Butthead promoting their creator's upcoming film, Extract:
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Dark_Falcon Wed, Sep 2, 2009 7:50:35pm |
re: #292 unrealizedviewpoint
:)
btw - I understand there is an outright ban on signs at many town halls.
OK. Again, i don't want to impose controls and cut off debate. I could not stand to be a censor. But I also don't want a nutcase (and the protester's "FEMA camp" caption leads me to conclude that he is just that) turning the meeting into a freak show. How can we draw the ligns to accomplish both goals?
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reine.de.tout Wed, Sep 2, 2009 7:50:41pm |
re: #298 jaunte
That old black magic has me in its spell,
that old black magic that you weave so well.
Those icy fingers up and down my spine
That same old witchcraft when your eyes meet mine.
The same old tingle that I feel inside,
and then that elevator starts its ride
And down and down I go,
round and round I go,
like a leaf that's caught in the tide.
I should stay away, but what can I do?
I hear your name and I'm aflame
Aflame with such a burning desire
that only your kiss can put out the fire.
For you're the lover I have waited for,
the mate that fate had me created for.
And every time your lips meet mine, darling,
down and down I go, round and round I go
In a spin, loving the spin I'm in,
under that old black magic called love.
thank you!
appreciate the help.
I was lost.
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3 wood Wed, Sep 2, 2009 7:50:43pm |
re: #286 avanti
Hey, what happened to the market? I thought you said it was all turned around and everything.
Stocks May Retest March Lows: Charts
The stock market rally we have experienced since hitting the lows in March is over and stocks could retest those lows in the future as further problems loom for the financial sector, Chris Locke, managing director at Oystertrade.com Management, said Wednesday.
"The cycle that was evident that marked up the lows early March is now evident as coming in as a high here. So I'd expect that we see a test of the lower levels where the 50-day moving average comes in around 976 (S&P 500 index) and the 200 exponential average comes in around the 954 level and I would expect a test of this."
"So I'm looking for a weak September/October," he added.
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jorline Wed, Sep 2, 2009 7:50:53pm |
re: #272 haakondahl
I think we just had a small earthquake over here in Japan.
Where are you in Japan?
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avanti Wed, Sep 2, 2009 7:51:03pm |
re: #282 Dark_Falcon
I'm not trying to act as the thought police. My intention is to allow an exchange of ideas. A kook like that guy just wants to turn the meeting into a screaming match. Given the clear intent demonstrated by the sign, i think the decision to exclude can be defended. I want speech and debate, and to arrest the man for simply having the sign would have been wrong. Does that position satisfy you?
The free speech right is not absolute. Here's the SC case that ruled against a "Bong hits for Jesus" sign for example.
Supreme Court Sides with School in 'Bong Hits' Case
Schools have the right to limit student speech that could be interpreted as advocating
use of illicit drugs, the U.S. Supreme Court has ruled.
The Associated Press reported June 25 that a divided court ruled against a Juneau,
Alaska student who raised a banner with the words "Bong Hits for Jesus" at a schools sponsored
outing in 2002. Students at the school were let out to witness the passing
Olympic torch relay; student Joseph Frederick raised his banner on a public sidewalk
across the street from the school.
Supreme Court Chief Justice John Roberts wrote that schools have the power to limit
speech regarding illicit drugs. "The message on Frederick's banner is cryptic," wrote
Roberts. "But Principal [Deborah] Morse thought the banner would be interpreted by
those viewing it as promoting illegal drug use, and that interpretation is plainly a
reasonable one."
Frederick denied he was advocating drug use, saying he took the "Bong Hits 4
Jesus" phrase from a snowboard slogan and that it was intended as nonsense. Morse
seized the banner and suspended Frederick."
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SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Sep 2, 2009 7:51:18pm |
re: #238 Mich-again
Nope. 2 separate stories. The Diego mural in Detroit was controversial but was left alone and is still on display. The Diego mural for the Rockefeller Center was destroyed. But then he recreated that one in Mexico City.
Thank you. Didn't these captains of industry talk to each other about who to hire?
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Walter L. Newton Wed, Sep 2, 2009 7:51:31pm |
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J.D. Wed, Sep 2, 2009 7:51:51pm |
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Sharmuta Wed, Sep 2, 2009 7:52:12pm |
My Stars! Let us hope he never travels to Washington DC and sees the art on their buildings...
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reine.de.tout Wed, Sep 2, 2009 7:52:20pm |
re: #325 Walter L. Newton
How about "Beat it?"
argh!
No.
But thanks.
A stupid school assignment.
Religion class.
Where do these teachers get these ideas?
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MandyManners Wed, Sep 2, 2009 7:52:45pm |
re: #314 taxfreekiller
Beck is nuts.
I'll grant that.John Kerry is in the U.S. Senate a Democrat.
Equal time.
HALP US, TFK!
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3 wood Wed, Sep 2, 2009 7:52:52pm |
re: #315 reine.de.tout
"love", not "lust".She ended up choosing "Front Porch Looking In', by Lonestar.
But thank you kindly!
Sorry, my mistake.
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Dark_Falcon Wed, Sep 2, 2009 7:52:52pm |
re: #318 Mad Al-Jaffee
OT - Beavis & Butthead promoting their creator's upcoming film, Extract:
[Video]
Good stuff. Mike Judge moved on from B&B but he has never forgotten them, and every once in a while they still put in an appearance.
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Ojoe Wed, Sep 2, 2009 7:53:14pm |
re: #315 reine.de.tout
There is also "Camarillo Brillo" by Zappa.
She had that
Camarillo brillo
Flamin out along her head,
I mean her mendocino bean-o
By where some bugs had made it red
She ruled the toads
Of the short forest
And every newt in idaho
And every cricket who had chorused
By the bush in buffalo
She said she was
A magic mama
And she could throw a mean tarot
And carried on without a comma
That she was someone I should know
She had a snake for a pet
And an amulet
And she was breeding a dwarf
But she wasnt done yet
She had gray-green skin
A doll with a pin
I told her she was awright
But I couldnt come in
(I couldnt come in right then...)
And so she wandered
Trough the door-way
Just like a shadow from the tomb
She said her stereo was four-way
An Id just love it in her room
Well, I was born
To have adventure
So I just followed up the steps
Right past her fuming incense stencher
To where she hung her castanets
She stripped away
Her ranchid poncho
An laid out naked by the door
We did it till we were un-concho
An it was useless any more
She had a snake for a pet
And an amulet
And she was breeding a dwarf
But she wasnt done yet
She had gray-green skin
A doll with a pin
I told her she was awright
But I couldnt come in
(actually, I was very busy then)
And so she wandered
Trough the door-way
Just like a shadow from the tomb
She said her stereo was four-way
An Id just love it in her room
Well, I was born
To have adventure
So I just followed up the steps
Right past her fuming incense stencher
To where she hung her castanets
She said she was
A magic mama
And she could throw a mean tarot
And carried on without a comma
That she was someone I should know
(is that a real poncho...i mean
Is that a mexican poncho
Or is that a sears poncho?
Hmmm...no foolin ...)
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OldLineTexan Wed, Sep 2, 2009 7:53:37pm |
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Sheila Broflovski Wed, Sep 2, 2009 7:53:54pm |
re: #269 Mich-again
"Down to the River to Pray" by the Von Trapp children.
Didn't Alison Kraus record that song for the soundtrack of "O Brother Where Art Thou"
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jorline Wed, Sep 2, 2009 7:54:09pm |
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SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Sep 2, 2009 7:54:09pm |
re: #253 Dark_Falcon
LMAO! Great job as always, BSM!
Oh, dang, I didn't attribute it. I don't know who that's by. Not original to me.
| 340 |
Charles Johnson Wed, Sep 2, 2009 7:54:15pm |
We just had a serious attack of nutjobs in the "Freak-Out" thread. Three banned accounts.
| 341 |
MandyManners Wed, Sep 2, 2009 7:54:27pm |
| 342 |
avanti Wed, Sep 2, 2009 7:54:30pm |
re: #321 3 wood
Hey, what happened to the market? I thought you said it was all turned around and everything.
You follow the market, a correction after a 50% plus rise is not only expected, but welcome, is it not ? BTW, we will not retest March lows, but I hope everyone on the right buys that so the lefties can make more money. :)
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Mich-again Wed, Sep 2, 2009 7:55:11pm |
It would be better if an intelligent rational person like VDH was the voice of conservatism instead of an unhinged loon like Glen Beck. Hopefully Beck will get busted with a hooker and a crack pipe and an unlawful BAL and show up on The Smoking Gun and fade from view, but thats just wishful thinking. He's so wrapped up in himself he wouldn't risk derailing his own train.
But for every person he attracts he repels 5 others. He might as well be a paid member of Obama's permanent campaign staff.
| 346 |
Ojoe Wed, Sep 2, 2009 7:55:43pm |
re: #340 Charles
Who could imagine
That they would freak out
In Kansas
Kansas Kansas Bo-de-o-de-o-do
| 348 |
haakondahl Wed, Sep 2, 2009 7:56:06pm |
re: #244 Dark_Falcon
There are differences, and you are right in many ways. I'll revise my opinion in light of your critique:
The protester in question has the right to speak, but not the right to lie. His sign's message and imagry were outright falsehoods. A sign like that should not be allowed into a town hall meeting.
Ah, but he has the right to be wrong and still express himself. The fat expert was wrong about the school grounds thing--Supreme Court protections are modified only in regards to the sanctioned activities of schools with regard to students, and vice versa. There are also laws which restrict the types of activities for which school grounds may be used, but this is to avoid the impropriety of state support for private or partisan business. In a small town, a school might be used for a youth group whereas in a larger city it might not, on the principle that in the small town, all possible demands can be met and therefore all groups are treated equally, whereas in the city, not all demands can be met, and therefore some would be offered use of the facility and some would not. This is on top of others proscriptions, of course.
But for political activity, after hours, the school is a public facility like any other, and the Supreme Court rulings which curtail some first amendment protections regarding students in school do not apply. Other proscriptions concerning public-owned facilities still will, of course.
He has the right to wave his ugly sign about. His real mistake was in going after the officer. No need to broadcast the man's name.
Note that our hero did not display the courage of his convictions. The hallmarks of civil disobedience are A) non-violence, B) a intent to be discovered, that is not to "get away with it" by stealth, C) a willingness to accept whatever punishment is routinely accepted for the particular infraction, and I think there's one more.
This weaselly video-camera "social activity" is misguided. Don't go film yourself making a little bit of trouble and then not finishing what you start, and I AM TALKING ABOUT CIVIL DISOBEDIENCE, for those keeping score at home. All this guy has done is piss off a bunch of people who now think that he has been wronged. He has not--he voluntarily took the sign down.
If he wanted to raise some real support, he should have peacefully allowed himself to be charged, removed, arrested, what have you. Until you're willing to peacefully demonstrate the seriousness of your belief, don't bother America with your annoying videos. We have bus crashes to watch.
| 349 |
MandyManners Wed, Sep 2, 2009 7:56:10pm |
re: #340 Charles
We just had a serious attack of nutjobs in the "Freak-Out" thread. Three banned accounts.
No corner-treatments?
| 350 |
Shug Wed, Sep 2, 2009 7:56:30pm |
| 351 |
Bagua Wed, Sep 2, 2009 7:56:42pm |
| 353 |
jaunte Wed, Sep 2, 2009 7:56:54pm |
re: #349 MandyManners
I tried to write a reply to the BOBD one, but it's hard to get a handle on that much crazy.
| 354 |
Danny Wed, Sep 2, 2009 7:57:21pm |
re: #347 jaunte
Just a bunch of ex lizards comparing their banning experiences.
| 355 |
Ringo the Gringo Wed, Sep 2, 2009 7:57:35pm |
What Beck fails to mention is that it was Nelson Rockefeller who commissioned Diego Rivera's mural, "Man at the Crossroads Looking with Hope and High Vision to the Choosing of a New and Better Future", but then, once he saw it, had his workers demolish the painting, because it contained images sympathetic to Soviet Communism.
The image that Glen Beck analysis in his rant is not from Rockefeller center, but from Rivera's reproduction of the original, which can be found in Mexico City, not New York.
[Link: www.diego-rivera.org...]
| 356 |
3 wood Wed, Sep 2, 2009 7:58:05pm |
re: #342 avanti
You follow the market, a correction after a 50% plus rise is not only expected, but welcome, is it not ? BTW, we will not retest March lows, but I hope everyone on the right buys that so the lefties can make more money. :)
You did see that another 300,000 jobs got destroyed last month, correct?
| 357 |
avanti Wed, Sep 2, 2009 7:58:18pm |
re: #351 Bagua
You got zee crystal ball?
Nope, but you can quote me on that, and we'll see who's correct, my broker, or the link.
| 358 |
unrealizedviewpoint Wed, Sep 2, 2009 7:58:20pm |
re: #319 Dark_Falcon
OK. Again, i don't want to impose controls and cut off debate. I could not stand to be a censor. But I also don't want a nutcase (and the protester's "FEMA camp" caption leads me to conclude that he is just that) turning the meeting into a freak show. How can we draw the ligns to accomplish both goals?
IMO, The demonstrators accomplished (so far this and more): They stirred a hornets nest, they got their voices heard, they delayed passage, they got their opinions heard, provided actual debate, maybe even actual reading of the bill before a vote will be accomplished, and maybe even some republican input will be considered. Too be continued. Oh, and all without the assistance of 'any' republican leadership.
| 359 |
OldLineTexan Wed, Sep 2, 2009 7:58:29pm |
| 360 |
J.D. Wed, Sep 2, 2009 7:58:37pm |
re: #270 marjoriemoon
If it makes any difference, the officer was personally offended by the photo, picture, whatever you call it. It's reverse blackface. I agree with the officer, although I'm not Black. I find it to be a racist image.
But it's not against the law for the guy to have it, even if the officer was personally offended, which I can understand.
| 361 |
OldLineTexan Wed, Sep 2, 2009 7:58:51pm |
re: #354 Danny
Just a bunch of ex lizards comparing their banning experiences.
This one time, at banned camp ...
/
| 362 |
itellu3times Wed, Sep 2, 2009 7:59:15pm |
re: #230 reine.de.tout
Is buzzsawmonkey around?
My daughter needs a song that "shows the language of body to show true love"
???
Any suggestions?
The Look of Love
Dusty Springfield
The look of love
Is in your eyes
The look your smile cant disguise
The look of love
Is saying so much more
Than just words could ever say
And what my heart has heard
Well it takes my breath away
I can hardly wait to hold you
Feel my arms around you
How long I have waited
Waited just to love you
Now that I have found you
Youve got the look of love
Its on your face
A look that time cant erase
Be mine tonight
Let this be just the start
Of so many nights like this
Lets take a lovers vow
And then seal it with a kiss
I can hardly wait to hold you
Feel my arms around you
How long I have waited
Waited just to love you
Now that I have found you
Dont ever go
I can hardly wait to hold you
Feel my arms around you
How long I have waited
Waited just to love you
Now that I have found you
Dont ever go
Dont ever go
I love you so
| 364 |
haakondahl Wed, Sep 2, 2009 7:59:33pm |
re: #282 Dark_Falcon
I'm not trying to act as the thought police. My intention is to allow an exchange of ideas. A kook like that guy just wants to turn the meeting into a screaming match. Given the clear intent demonstrated by the sign, i think the decision to exclude can be defended. I want speech and debate, and to arrest the man for simply having the sign would have been wrong. Does that position satisfy you?
Sorry, standing around with a sign is no more a direct threat than a nazi march. If he starts screaming or being disruptive of the public business in other ways, that's different.
| 365 |
Ringo the Gringo Wed, Sep 2, 2009 7:59:49pm |
re: #355 Ringo the Gringo
What Beck fails to mention is that it was Nelson Rockefeller who commissioned Diego Rivera's mural, "Man at the Crossroads Looking with Hope and High Vision to the Choosing of a New and Better Future", but then, once he saw it, had his workers demolish the painting, because it contained images sympathetic to Soviet Communism.
The image that Glen Beck analysis in his rant is not from Rockefeller center, but from Rivera's reproduction of the original, which can be found in Mexico City, not New York.
[Link: www.diego-rivera.org...]
...'scuse my spellink.
| 366 |
jaunte Wed, Sep 2, 2009 7:59:59pm |
re: #354 Danny
Just a bunch of ex lizards comparing their banning experiences.
Seems like it should be a short topic, but I guess they stretch it out.
| 367 |
Mich-again Wed, Sep 2, 2009 8:00:01pm |
re: #361 OldLineTexan
This one time, at banned camp ...
Something must be wrong here.. I could only give you one upding for that. :-)
| 368 |
Shug Wed, Sep 2, 2009 8:00:28pm |
war on Terror
Financial meltdown
10% unemployment
Norks with nukes
forget that. let's focus on Why Michelle Obama's Hair Matters. That's what's important. Hair
Nirthers on the right of me. Dipshits on the left of me.
Zounds, the world has sprung a leak
| 369 |
MandyManners Wed, Sep 2, 2009 8:00:37pm |
re: #358 unrealizedviewpoint
IMO, The demonstrators accomplished (so far this and more): They stirred a hornets nest, they got their voices heard, they delayed passage, they got their opinions heard, provided actual debate, maybe even actual reading of the bill before a vote will be accomplished, and maybe even some republican input will be considered. Too be continued. Oh, and all without the assistance of 'any' republican leadership.
Where was the GOP leadership?
| 370 |
3 wood Wed, Sep 2, 2009 8:00:55pm |
Why Investors Can't Count On Consumer-Spending Rebound
Despite some signs of improvement in the jobs outlook, investors might want to hold off on jumping into consumer stocks.
Normally, the more people who find work, the more money they'll have to spend on consumer goods. But the expected recovery in the services industry—which makes up the bulk of the US economy—is likely to be in lower-paying jobs rather than the high-end financial industry.
For that reason, market pros say investors shouldn't count on the consumer but look instead at companies with a broad international presence and strong exports.
"You've got to be real careful in investing in the bread-and-butter US company that relies on consumer demand," says David Twibell, managing director of investments for Colorado Capital Bank in Denver. "We still have a long way to go before most consumers feel like they are in a position to go out and spend."
| 371 |
Danny Wed, Sep 2, 2009 8:01:13pm |
A sampling:
Kirls: bob - they're virtual. the might pink pc will create more
Roses: how sad?
doriangrey: Roses and if they do they try they can kiss our collective asses
WilderTiredofBS: Then leave WLN
Ender: chocolate peanuts as well
Roses: not sad at all
WilderTiredofBS: find another party
Roses: LOL
pythonman: That's almost exactly the comment I posted, Wilder!
WilderTiredofBS: one that serves beer
Intrepid: Hey python - that's ok. I was banned for...I don't know why.
Big_Bob: great kirly i was worried
nanook: are we supposed to be sad?
avideditor: [Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...] did the lfgers take over
avideditor: ?
Birkenstock_Cowboy: are you Nan?
Roses: [Link: kirls.blogspot.com...]
George_guy: I wasn't banned but he gave me a hard time for being a rational creationist.
W.L.N.: A case study in psychopathy going on here.
Roses: check out hte list of banned lizards
nanook: no, not really, but I could pretend
Roses: [Link: kirls.blogspot.com...]
WilderTiredofBS: Look in the mirror WLN
Kirls: george, go out in a blaze of glory!
Roses: yes WLN, we are writing our thesis on LGF
WilderTiredofBS: and get stuffed
WilderTiredofBS: bubye
Kirls: WLN - where???
Yahzek: Rational Creationist may be the most ubsurd Oxymoron every uttered in a sentence.
Roses: on people standing by in fear of gettin gangdinged
Big_Bob: they come in here with preconceived notions put into their empty heads by charles
nanook: I just kinda went out with a whimper, not a bang.
Roses: so very sad
nanook: Didn't even know I was banned for a week or so.
Crazy has joined.
Roses: poor charles
nanook: Yeah, that is sad.
Roses: hello crazy
Roses: hahahaha
Rodan: When I called them Progressives they ran
Kirls: i went out with a hysterectomy! bwahahahahahaha
Roses: [Link: kirls.blogspot.com...]
Rodan: They will not debate
Birkenstock_Cowboy: ROFL
W.L.N.: Get a life everybody
WilderTiredofBS: Let's not discuss the King LIzard
nanook: LOL
Roses: add your name to the list
WilderTiredofBS: it's boring
Intrepid: WLN - we laugh. Sometimes small chuckles, sometimes guffaws. But we laugh at those of you still left there under CJ's thumb.
Rodan: They are cowarsd like Charles
Kirls: 959 Insidious Banned Apples
Roses: yep
Roses:
Kirls: do i hear 1000?
Yahzek: Obama, Great president, greatest president?
WilderTiredofBS: Obozo, biggest clown
Roses: you froom KOS or LGF?
nanook: Woohoo, going for 1000 IBA's
Birkenstock_Cowboy: greatest threat to America?
George_guy: All he really did was quote Talkorigins, he doesn't really know the material all that well himself.
Karagush: MOstly we talk aboput boobies
Karagush: I admit it
Right2thepoint: they are turning into clones Rose
Roses: LOL
WilderTiredofBS: boobies and red rubber noses
Jed_1899: Obama can blow me
Roses: yes I know R2
drazilocu has left.
Karagush: tho i talk about horses
avideditor: which is more progressive LGF or KOS
Kirls: and branden fraser
Karagush: central Asia
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Shug Wed, Sep 2, 2009 8:01:18pm |
re: #354 Danny
Just a bunch of ex lizards comparing their banning experiences.
No it's even better. Most of them claim that it was They who voluntarily left
LOL
| 373 |
Sharmuta Wed, Sep 2, 2009 8:01:32pm |
OMG! Is he seriously saying the Bible is communist with his rant about Isaiah?
| 374 |
OldLineTexan Wed, Sep 2, 2009 8:01:52pm |
re: #340 Charles
We just had a serious attack of nutjobs in the "Freak-Out" thread. Three banned accounts.
| 375 |
avanti Wed, Sep 2, 2009 8:02:02pm |
re: #356 3 wood
You did see that another 300,000 jobs got destroyed last month, correct?
You must know that a steady decline in lost jobs must proceed a job recovery, or did you expect Obama to go from 700,000 lost to a instant gain ? 300,000 is a hell of a improvement, but still bad news for those in that group.
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haakondahl Wed, Sep 2, 2009 8:02:09pm |
re: #297 marjoriemoon
You feel that way. He didn't feel that way. If I saw what I interpreted to be a Nazi image, I would have responded the same.
Well now the sign *was* equating the President with Nazis, which is crazy. But not illegal.
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Occasional Reader Wed, Sep 2, 2009 8:02:20pm |
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Sharmuta Wed, Sep 2, 2009 8:02:48pm |
Isaiah 2:4- they will beat their swords into plough shares!
Does he not know his Bible?
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OldLineTexan Wed, Sep 2, 2009 8:02:55pm |
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Mich-again Wed, Sep 2, 2009 8:03:15pm |
re: #370 3 wood
Why Investors Can't Count On Consumer-Spending Rebound
My 8 word analysis... People need to have money to spend money.
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OldLineTexan Wed, Sep 2, 2009 8:03:36pm |
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Almost Killed by Space Hookers Wed, Sep 2, 2009 8:03:40pm |
All of the crazy inspired me to bring a nerd convergence of the highest magnitude.
Be prepared for nerd. The nerd is strong very strong here...
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Charles Johnson Wed, Sep 2, 2009 8:03:47pm |
We've got a serious influx of trolls and sleepers tonight.
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unrealizedviewpoint Wed, Sep 2, 2009 8:04:07pm |
re: #369 MandyManners
Where was the GOP leadership?
They'll surface around June/July for the November election, with hat in hand of course.
Hopefully with the extended hat - will be a new contract.
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Occasional Reader Wed, Sep 2, 2009 8:04:44pm |
re: #382 OldLineTexan
Number, please? Sorry I missed it!
Give you my number? What kind of guy do you think I am?
| 388 |
Danny Wed, Sep 2, 2009 8:04:46pm |
Aw, they're all going to a sekrit passworded room. No fun!
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haakondahl Wed, Sep 2, 2009 8:04:56pm |
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MandyManners Wed, Sep 2, 2009 8:05:37pm |
Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest. Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me; for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls. For my yoke is easy, and my burden is light.
Matthew 11: 28-30.
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Dark_Falcon Wed, Sep 2, 2009 8:05:39pm |
re: #358 unrealizedviewpoint
IMO, The demonstrators accomplished (so far this and more): They stirred a hornets nest, they got their voices heard, they delayed passage, they got their opinions heard, provided actual debate, maybe even actual reading of the bill before a vote will be accomplished, and maybe even some republican input will be considered. Too be continued. Oh, and all without the assistance of 'any' republican leadership.
Quite Concur. I love the demonstrations, and I'm proud of what they've done.
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3 wood Wed, Sep 2, 2009 8:05:54pm |
re: #357 avanti
Nope, but you can quote me on that, and we'll see who's correct, my broker, or the link.
Ohmygosh! Now I understand where you get this stuff from.
You actually listen to your broker? Your the guy who still does that? I knew there was one of you folks left.
Avanti my lefty friend, your broker makes money whether you gain or lose on your investments. It makes no difference to the broker. All they care about is their fee for handling the transactions.
You tell a broker what to do, not ask them what to do.
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Gus Wed, Sep 2, 2009 8:05:54pm |
OK, doing a little research here. At 2:00 he begins to go on about a piece which is really called "Youth Leading Industry." It is a work by Attilio Piccirilli and described as:
Attilio Piccirilli's Youth Leading Industry has adorned the entrance of the International Building at 636 Fifth Avenue since its installation in May, 1936. Lit from behind, it remains an evening spectacle on Fifth Avenue. Directly above it is another of Piccirilli's works, Commerce and Industry with a Caduceus, also installed in May, 1936.
The 16-foot high by 10-foot-wide relief, Youth Leading Industry glorified the burgeoning political movement in Italy under the leadership of Benito Mussolini. Ironically, though, Piccirilli's nephew served and died in World War II as an American soldier. The Neo-Roman theme was typical of 1930's fascism--the youth shall lead the way towards better times. The near-nude figure dashing ahead of the rearing horses represents empowerment and destiny, the chariot representing strenght of industry and transportation. They are controlled by a confident leader (the charioteer) guiding them towards the future. The bas-relief was cast in 45 Pyrex glass blocks, each hand-cast and unique. After casting, the models and molds were destroyed. No two ware alike and no replicas exist in the world. The small bubble like (seemingly) imperfections were intended to convey fluidity.
Beck is incorrect in stating that figure on the right represents Mussolini and is instead "the charioteer" and in fact it was the nephew of the artist that died in WWII and not his son as Beck incorrectly points out.
[Link: www.flickr.com...]
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Sharmuta Wed, Sep 2, 2009 8:05:59pm |
re: #390 MandyManners
Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest. Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me; for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls. For my yoke is easy, and my burden is light.
Matthew 11: 28-30.
COMMIE!
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Occasional Reader Wed, Sep 2, 2009 8:05:59pm |
Hey, OLT, I've "blued" my nic, I have an inquiry for you... drop me a line.
| 397 |
unrealizedviewpoint Wed, Sep 2, 2009 8:06:03pm |
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The Shadow Do Wed, Sep 2, 2009 8:06:36pm |
re: #384 Charles
We've got a serious influx of trolls and sleepers tonight.
Anyone named Raoul? Does Mrs Stinky have a big frying pan?
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Sharmuta Wed, Sep 2, 2009 8:06:48pm |
re: #394 Gus 802
My guess- after the bit about Isaiah, is that beck did ZERO research on this.
He's a fucking idiot.
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haakondahl Wed, Sep 2, 2009 8:06:55pm |
re: #308 MandyManners
What time in the morning is it?
[Video]
Sweet Vid! One of my favorite bands, and one of only two I have seen twice.
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avanti Wed, Sep 2, 2009 8:07:08pm |
re: #370 3 wood
I could quote investors on the opposite side of the issue, but everyone must make their own investment decisions. You can make money if your doom and gloom predicts come about, I can if you are wrong.
I won't panic if we see a 10-15 % correction, but I do not expect a 40-50 % drop as your link suggested.
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unrealizedviewpoint Wed, Sep 2, 2009 8:07:15pm |
re: #392 Dark_Falcon
Quite Concur. I love the demonstrations, and I'm proud of what they've done.
They are the American people. Not shills. The people shut this bill down. Not the politicians.
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Charles Johnson Wed, Sep 2, 2009 8:07:28pm |
re: #371 Danny
Good lord. What a bunch of whiny, pathetic wankers.
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haakondahl Wed, Sep 2, 2009 8:07:42pm |
re: #322 jorline
Where are you in Japan?
In Yokosuka, south of Yokohama, which is south of Tokyo. Big Navy base out here, where I work as a civilian.
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MandyManners Wed, Sep 2, 2009 8:08:02pm |
re: #390 MandyManners
Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest. Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me; for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls. For my yoke is easy, and my burden is light.
Matthew 11: 28-30.
Anytime anyone throws up a asshole who claims to be a Christian, REMEMBER THESE WORDS.
POST THEM.
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Killgore Trout Wed, Sep 2, 2009 8:08:05pm |
re: #365 Ringo the Gringo
That was one of the first things I noticed when I starting looking into Beck's rantings. Doesn't really fit his thesis which is why he left that part out. He got all those talking points from somewhere. I suspect it's from the Birch Society or some affiliated group. He's not sitting around pondering symbolism in art himself.
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The Left Wed, Sep 2, 2009 8:08:11pm |
re: #230 reine.de.tout
Is buzzsawmonkey around?
My daughter needs a song that "shows the language of body to show true love"
???
Any suggestions?
Would a poem do?
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Gus Wed, Sep 2, 2009 8:08:13pm |
re: #399 Sharmuta
My guess- after the bit about Isaiah, is that beck did ZERO research on this.
He's a fucking idiot.
All his oligarhy belongs to us!
;)
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Cato the Elder Wed, Sep 2, 2009 8:09:19pm |
Well if that is how Rodan spends his time, there's nothing to worry about. Guy's a pathetic wanker.
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3 wood Wed, Sep 2, 2009 8:10:05pm |
re: #375 avanti
You must know that a steady decline in lost jobs must proceed a job recovery, or did you expect Obama to go from 700,000 lost to a instant gain ? 300,000 is a hell of a improvement, but still bad news for those in that group.
Hey, your the one who was crowing the other day about how rosy things are, not me.
And it was Obama who promised that unemployment would not go over 8% if he got the stimulus and said that he would make or save 3,000,000 jobs. He also is assuming a 4% GDP growth in his budget for next year.
300,000 lost jobs a last month and 2,000,000 lost this year does not get one there by my math.
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ShanghaiEd Wed, Sep 2, 2009 8:10:16pm |
re: #237 Walter L. Newton
Passed all the "get wells" to Steve.
Walter: Please let Steve know that ShanghaiEd is wishing him the best, too.
I've missed you guys. I hope to be back on a more regular basis in a week or so.
| 413 |
The Left Wed, Sep 2, 2009 8:10:18pm |
re: #361 OldLineTexan
This one time, at banned camp ...
/
HA!
The stalker blog should be renamed the Village of the Banned.
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Mich-again Wed, Sep 2, 2009 8:10:18pm |
re: #375 avanti
300,000 is a hell of a improvement, but still bad news for those in that group.
Group? A "group" with 300,000 new members in one month? Odd word to use there.
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Charles Johnson Wed, Sep 2, 2009 8:10:40pm |
re: #407 Killgore Trout
That was one of the first things I noticed when I starting looking into Beck's rantings. Doesn't really fit his thesis which is why he left that part out. He got all those talking points from somewhere. I suspect it's from the Birch Society or some affiliated group. He's not sitting around pondering symbolism in art himself.
I agree. It's not a coincidence that so many of Beck's rants sound like they came straight out of the John Birch Society website. He's promoting their views.
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Dancing along the light of day Wed, Sep 2, 2009 8:10:59pm |
re: #384 Charles
Flushing out those who are in that Parachat you linked earlier?
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experiencedtraveller Wed, Sep 2, 2009 8:10:59pm |
re: #340 Charles
We just had a serious attack of nutjobs in the "Freak-Out" thread. Three banned accounts.
I think you should turn the comments over to the monitor lizards and spend your time writing a book.
| 418 |
Danny Wed, Sep 2, 2009 8:11:02pm |
OldLineTexan, they're laughing at your "banned camp" comment. LOL
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Ringo the Gringo Wed, Sep 2, 2009 8:11:42pm |
Let me make my comment #355 more clear...
It was Nelson Rockefeller who had Diego Rivera's mural, "Man at the Crossroads" destroyed because it was sympathetic to Soviet Communism, not because it was "too controversial", as Beck says. Rockefeller told Rivera to change the painting and remove the Communist imagery and Rivera refused so Rockefeller had the mural destroyed precisely because of the Communist message.
[Link: www.diego-rivera.org...]
| 420 |
Killgore Trout Wed, Sep 2, 2009 8:11:44pm |
re: #394 Gus 802
Thanks for pointing that out.
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Occasional Reader Wed, Sep 2, 2009 8:12:21pm |
A suggestion; I find it just as uninteresting to comment on what an "LGF Watch" bunch is doing, as I would be in following the musings of an "LGF Watch" bunch. Just saying.
| 422 |
OldLineTexan Wed, Sep 2, 2009 8:12:21pm |
re: #409 Gus 802
All his oligarhy belongs to us!
;)
He must've been one of the schoochildren from the last thread.
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3 wood Wed, Sep 2, 2009 8:12:38pm |
re: #401 avanti
You can make money if your doom and gloom predicts come about, I can if you are wrong.
It's not my "gloom and doom", I'm just linking what is out there.
If you can show me evidence that GDP is growing and employment is rising, I'm perfectly happy to see it:)
| 425 |
Gus Wed, Sep 2, 2009 8:13:05pm |
re: #420 Killgore Trout
Thanks for pointing that out.
YW. Yeah, no doubt Beck once took again took a lot of "creative liberty."
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Dancing along the light of day Wed, Sep 2, 2009 8:13:34pm |
re: #412 ShanghaiEd
Yah, where you bean, Lima?
Miss you!
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Occasional Reader Wed, Sep 2, 2009 8:13:45pm |
re: #419 Ringo the Gringo
Indeed, Beck is not entirely wrong about the influences in some of the imagery used in 1930s-era buildings in the US. He could have actually made a responsible, informative piece about it. Instead, he went Innuendo City.
| 428 |
avanti Wed, Sep 2, 2009 8:13:53pm |
re: #393 3 wood
Ohmygosh! Now I understand where you get this stuff from.
You actually listen to your broker? Your the guy who still does that? I knew there was one of you folks left.
Avanti my lefty friend, your broker makes money whether you gain or lose on your investments. It makes no difference to the broker. All they care about is their fee for handling the transactions.
You tell a broker what to do, not ask them what to do.
If my broker does not make me money, I'd change brokers. He had me move from a cash position into stocks when the Dow was below 7000 and I got the cash from sales near the market top last year. I've been with him for over 20 years, and he's done very well for me.
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Mad Al-Jaffee Wed, Sep 2, 2009 8:14:31pm |
re: #230 reine.de.tout
Iris Dement, Hotter Than Mojave in My Heart
Well, I've heard 'em say there's one for everybody,
And I just knew somehow that you'd be the one for me.
'Cause making love with you's not just a hobby:
No, it's the flame that burnt the forest down in me.
And darling was it day or was it night-time
Were them whippoorwills a-moaning through the trees? Through the trees?
I don't remember just what you said but ooh, right from the start,
You made me hotter than Mojave in my heart.
Well baby, I could stay this way forever,
Just passing time at ninety-nine degrees.
'Cause loving you's my favorite kind of weather.
Oh, forever let the flame burn down in me.
And I'll not prepare my heart for the change of season.
And I'll whip old Winter Wind there if she blows, if she blows.
Well, God bless the day that you came along and you tipped my apple cart.
And you made me hotter than Mojave in my heart.
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Tats66 Wed, Sep 2, 2009 8:14:32pm |
re: #29 KingKenrod
Obama might be prepping a walk-back on Afghaistan:
[Link: www.google.com...]
The cover story: Obama thinks more troops might be perceived as occupiers instead of liberators. Just floating a trial balloon like that will give NATO and Islamic countries a fresh talking point.
I think I wld much rather see more indepth convo and scrutiny on that than Glenn Beck...just sayin :)
| 432 |
Mich-again Wed, Sep 2, 2009 8:14:35pm |
re: #371 Danny
Birkenstock_Cowboy:
Ha. The one poster who always hung out in the LGF chat room back in the day but never dropped in a thread. I would drop in that pit once a month or so and BC was always, always there. Never said much but always there.
| 433 |
jorline Wed, Sep 2, 2009 8:14:47pm |
re: #404 haakondahl
In Yokosuka, south of Yokohama, which is south of Tokyo. Big Navy base out here, where I work as a civilian.
I lived just outside of Tokyo at Tachikawa and Kanto Mura from 1964-1967...all closed now. A big Sunday treat was going into Tokyo and staying at the American Sanyo Hotel.
| 434 |
Occasional Reader Wed, Sep 2, 2009 8:14:48pm |
re: #422 OldLineTexan
He must've been one of the schoochildren from the last thread.
OLT: Is the first word in your e-mail to me "Regards"?
(Just making sure the person who e-mailed me is you.)
| 435 |
SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Sep 2, 2009 8:14:50pm |
OK, now I've watched half of it, and I'm appalled.
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Killgore Trout Wed, Sep 2, 2009 8:14:56pm |
re: #415 Charles
He winds up the segment talking about how all these groups have been secretly planing stuff for generations. That's definitely Birch Society stuff. I have to wonder if they're funding his 9-12 Project.
| 437 |
3 wood Wed, Sep 2, 2009 8:15:15pm |
Well, If had enough if this for one night.
Good night all.
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OldLineTexan Wed, Sep 2, 2009 8:15:26pm |
re: #406 MandyManners
Anytime anyone throws up a asshole who claims to be a Christian, REMEMBER THESE WORDS.
POST THEM.
Am I not allowed to use Luke 22:36 any longer?
/
| 439 |
Sharmuta Wed, Sep 2, 2009 8:16:01pm |
Art Deco isn't my forte, but didn't it use the imagery of industry quite a bit?
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OldLineTexan Wed, Sep 2, 2009 8:16:36pm |
re: #434 Occasional Reader
OLT: Is the first word in your e-mail to me "Regards"?
(Just making sure the person who e-mailed me is you.)
Yes, it is.
| 441 |
Dr. Shalit Wed, Sep 2, 2009 8:16:46pm |
re: #340 Charles
We just had a serious attack of nutjobs in the "Freak-Out" thread. Three banned accounts.
Charles -
As with EVERY GOOD CONSPIRACY STORY - there is either enough truth, or beleived in "BS" to make it seem plausible. Truth Is - some of the art was done by Diego Rivera and his wife. Another fan of such art was THE Edsel Ford - Not the Ford Edsel. That is all.
-S-
| 442 |
SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Sep 2, 2009 8:16:46pm |
re: #419 Ringo the Gringo
Let me make my comment #355 more clear...
It was Nelson Rockefeller who had Diego Rivera's mural, "Man at the Crossroads" destroyed because it was sympathetic to Soviet Communism, not because it was "too controversial", as Beck says. Rockefeller told Rivera to change the painting and remove the Communist imagery and Rivera refused so Rockefeller had the mural destroyed precisely because of the Communist message.
[Link: www.diego-rivera.org...]
Precisely.
This stuff sounds enormously retro. It's a vintage conspiracy theory. It also takes forever to unpack. Will his readers really care about this nonsense?
| 443 |
Sharmuta Wed, Sep 2, 2009 8:17:38pm |
re: #436 Killgore Trout
He winds up the segment talking about how all these groups have been secretly planing stuff for generations. That's definitely Birch Society stuff. I have to wonder if they're funding his 9-12 Project.
I've just started assuming folks who see commies everywhere are Birchers to one degree or another.
| 444 |
SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Sep 2, 2009 8:18:07pm |
re: #427 Occasional Reader
Indeed, Beck is not entirely wrong about the influences in some of the imagery used in 1930s-era buildings in the US. He could have actually made a responsible, informative piece about it. Instead, he went Innuendo City.
I'd totally watch a show about that. But he's not talking about the art, he's--what, accusing Standard Oil of being a front for Stalin and Mussolini?
| 445 |
OldLineTexan Wed, Sep 2, 2009 8:18:41pm |
re: #443 Sharmuta
I've just started assuming folks who see commies everywhere are Birchers to one degree or another.
And if you see Birchers everywhere, you're ...?
/
| 446 |
Killgore Trout Wed, Sep 2, 2009 8:18:44pm |
re: #439 Sharmuta
Yeah, all this neo-classicism qith Greek and Roman gods was pretty common. All of the themes he's talking about were commonly used.
| 447 |
Gus Wed, Sep 2, 2009 8:19:23pm |
re: #419 Ringo the Gringo
Let me make my comment #355 more clear...
It was Nelson Rockefeller who had Diego Rivera's mural, "Man at the Crossroads" destroyed because it was sympathetic to Soviet Communism, not because it was "too controversial", as Beck says. Rockefeller told Rivera to change the painting and remove the Communist imagery and Rivera refused so Rockefeller had the mural destroyed precisely because of the Communist message.
[Link: www.diego-rivera.org...]
Thanks for pointing that out. I had forgotten about that. More counterpoints to Beck's high school dropout presentation.
| 448 |
Bagua Wed, Sep 2, 2009 8:19:41pm |
re: #444 SanFranciscoZionist
I'd totally watch a show about that. But he's not talking about the art, he's--what, accusing Standard Oil of being a front for Stalin and Mussolini?
I'm not sure that he is making a coherent point, more a jumbling of ideas that are linked in his mind.
| 449 |
Occasional Reader Wed, Sep 2, 2009 8:19:41pm |
| 450 |
snowcrash Wed, Sep 2, 2009 8:19:48pm |
re: #439 Sharmuta
I think of glamor and Erte type images. We need Buzz for art histort 101. lol
| 451 |
avanti Wed, Sep 2, 2009 8:20:35pm |
Well, If had enough if this for one night.Good night all.
Nite Wood.
| 452 |
Killgore Trout Wed, Sep 2, 2009 8:20:38pm |
re: #443 Sharmuta
I've just started assuming folks who see commies everywhere are Birchers to one degree or another.
There's a unique flavor to the Birch society stuff. There are UFO cults into the NWO/communis, thing to. I'm starting to kinda understand Birch Society stuff. Larouche I can't even begin to grasp.
| 453 |
Sharmuta Wed, Sep 2, 2009 8:20:40pm |
re: #446 Killgore Trout
Yeah, all this neo-classicism qith Greek and Roman gods was pretty common. All of the themes he's talking about were commonly used.
Like I said earlier- there is a BANK in my city with art deco reliefs outside that show workers. Of course- it was a bank for working men and women, but hey- I bet that was all part of the COMMIE! banker plot.
| 454 |
Dr. Shalit Wed, Sep 2, 2009 8:20:52pm |
re: #444 SanFranciscoZionist
I'd totally watch a show about that. But he's not talking about the art, he's--what, accusing Standard Oil of being a front for Stalin and Mussolini?
D'ya Mean the old sobriquet of "Filling Staton for Fascism? Just wondering?
-S-
| 456 |
SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Sep 2, 2009 8:21:41pm |
re: #439 Sharmuta
Art Deco isn't my forte, but didn't it use the imagery of industry quite a bit?
Quite.
| 457 |
Sharmuta Wed, Sep 2, 2009 8:22:33pm |
re: #444 SanFranciscoZionist
I'd totally watch a show about that. But he's not talking about the art, he's--what, accusing Standard Oil of being a front for Stalin and Mussolini?
And Bible verses are also communist fronts.
| 458 |
SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Sep 2, 2009 8:23:02pm |
re: #452 Killgore Trout
There's a unique flavor to the Birch society stuff. There are UFO cults into the NWO/communis, thing to. I'm starting to kinda understand Birch Society stuff. Larouche I can't even begin to grasp.
The Larouche worldview is--complicated.
| 459 |
Shug Wed, Sep 2, 2009 8:23:04pm |
| 460 |
What, me worry? Wed, Sep 2, 2009 8:23:27pm |
re: #376 haakondahl
Well now the sign *was* equating the President with Nazis, which is crazy. But not illegal.
I think it was the joker face, not the nazi thing (oh so many to choose from).
If I saw someone like that with a swastika and I had the chance to snatch it and stomp on it, I would, jail be damned.
There was a point being made that Mr. Joker-Nazi Poster Man was on the school grounds or near the school. Did he have a permit to protest? I don't know.
| 461 |
Killgore Trout Wed, Sep 2, 2009 8:23:37pm |
re: #444 SanFranciscoZionist
I'd totally watch a show about that. But he's not talking about the art, he's--what, accusing Standard Oil of being a front for Stalin and Mussolini?
Sort of, yes. The Rockefellers, Rothschilds, etc were all in cahoots with the communists and fascists. It's all about secret plots to establish world government. They've been working on this stuff for centuries.
| 462 |
Mich-again Wed, Sep 2, 2009 8:23:48pm |
re: #436 Killgore Trout
I have the unique opportunity to hear Bircher rantings firsthand several times a week if not more in my travels from people who are either neighbors/coworkers/family/old friends but I'm not saying. Oh and their newsletter, precious so it is. I leaf through them occasionally and be sure that the genuine Bircher scandal sheet is nothing like the sanitized online version anyone can read. The really good stuff only comes in the mail. Y'all don't know what you're missing not tracking every movement of the Bilderbergers and the NWO. They are everywhere. Ha. I am somewhat embedded but not by choice.
| 463 |
The Left Wed, Sep 2, 2009 8:25:06pm |
re: #460 marjoriemoon
I think it was the joker face, not the nazi thing (oh so many to choose from).
If I saw someone like that with a swastika and I had the chance to snatch it and stomp on it, I would, jail be damned.
There was a point being made that Mr. Joker-Nazi Poster Man was on the school grounds or near the school. Did he have a permit to protest? I don't know.
The poster also compared health reform to the Final Solution.
| 464 |
Dr. Shalit Wed, Sep 2, 2009 8:25:20pm |
Everyone -
Let us all take the ED KOCH test for Beck. Of 12 issues, if you agree with him on 8 to 9 - vote FOR him, less? vote agaisnt him. Agree On 12 out of 12 - SEE A PSYCHIATRIST!
-S-
| 465 |
haakondahl Wed, Sep 2, 2009 8:26:01pm |
re: #439 Sharmuta
Art Deco isn't my forte, but didn't it use the imagery of industry quite a bit?
Yup. Therefore it was furiously popular not only with the worker's paradise types, but with the wealthy industrialist types! Josef Stalin and Ayn Rand, together at last.
| 466 |
unrealizedviewpoint Wed, Sep 2, 2009 8:26:44pm |
re: #460 marjoriemoon
There was a point being made that Mr. Joker-Nazi Poster Man was on the school grounds or near the school. Did he have a permit to protest? I don't know.
I don't beleive any permit is required as the public was invited to the event. I think he was denied entry to the event, but not certain. While outside the event the incident with the police officer ensued.
| 467 |
haakondahl Wed, Sep 2, 2009 8:27:25pm |
re: #443 Sharmuta
I've just started assuming folks who see commies everywhere are Birchers to one degree or another.
Some of us are just habitual cold warriors. I do not for a second believe that the disappearance of the Soviet Union means anything to the hard left's goals.
| 468 |
OldLineTexan Wed, Sep 2, 2009 8:27:29pm |
| 469 |
Shug Wed, Sep 2, 2009 8:28:17pm |
FWIW: just noticed this on yahoo home page
Popular Searches
Curt Schilling
U.S. Open
Jaycee Dugard
Levi Johnston
Lynn Jenkins
New Moon Movie
Katherine Heigl
Sex and the City 2
Windows 7
Rio de Janeiro
Number one searched. Intresting
| 470 |
SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Sep 2, 2009 8:28:58pm |
And now I've seen the whole thing, and I'm gonna throw up.
What a complete putz this man is.
| 471 |
haakondahl Wed, Sep 2, 2009 8:29:09pm |
re: #469 Shug
FWIW: just noticed this on yahoo home page
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| 472 |
What, me worry? Wed, Sep 2, 2009 8:29:13pm |
re: #463 iceweasel
The poster also compared health reform to the Final Solution.
Really? I totally missed that one.
| 473 |
Occasional Reader Wed, Sep 2, 2009 8:29:53pm |
re: #458 SanFranciscoZionist
The Larouche worldview is--complicated.
Hey, just because you're not smart enough to understand the incredible relevance of the US-to-Siberia MagLev train...
//
| 474 |
What, me worry? Wed, Sep 2, 2009 8:30:02pm |
re: #466 unrealizedviewpoint
I don't beleive any permit is required as the public was invited to the event. I think he was denied entry to the event, but not certain. While outside the event the incident with the police officer ensued.
Hmm... I don't know. There has to be a permit for a public event. Least it does here in the Big City.
| 475 |
Dark_Falcon Wed, Sep 2, 2009 8:30:13pm |
re: #463 iceweasel
The poster also compared health reform to the Final Solution.
re: #319 Dark_Falcon
OK. Again, i don't want to impose controls and cut off debate. I could not stand to be a censor. But I also don't want a nutcase (and the protester's "FEMA camp" caption leads me to conclude that he is just that) turning the meeting into a freak show. How can we draw the lines to accomplish both goals?
What is your take, iceweasel?
| 476 |
SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Sep 2, 2009 8:30:36pm |
re: #467 haakondahl
Some of us are just habitual cold warriors. I do not for a second believe that the disappearance of the Soviet Union means anything to the hard left's goals.
I'm a bit of an old cold warrior myself, but this crap is like slaying a dragon and then going round pretending that little lizards are going to burn the village down.
| 477 |
Charles Johnson Wed, Sep 2, 2009 8:30:45pm |
It's fascinating to watch the moronic convergences lining up -- in the "Freak-Out" thread, we've now had two of LGF's remaining creationists (who almost never post comments any more) weigh in on the side of the kooks.
| 478 |
unrealizedviewpoint Wed, Sep 2, 2009 8:30:51pm |
re: #474 marjoriemoon
Hmm... I don't know. There has to be a permit for a public event. Least it does here in the Big City.
The town hall is the event. You need a permit to hold a town hall? No.
| 479 |
Dr. Shalit Wed, Sep 2, 2009 8:31:06pm |
re: #467 haakondahl
Some of us are just habitual cold warriors. I do not for a second believe that the disappearance of the Soviet Union means anything to the hard left's goals.
re: #469 Shug
haakondahl -
Means that the KGB Payroll ended in 1992. The paid stooges had to find anoter Meal Ticket - as did CUBA in the early 1990's.
-S-
| 481 |
Killgore Trout Wed, Sep 2, 2009 8:31:17pm |
re: #462 Mich-again
I am somewhat embedded but not by choice.
Sorry to hear that. At least I can always escape them if I need to.
| 482 |
Sharmuta Wed, Sep 2, 2009 8:31:22pm |
re: #470 SanFranciscoZionist
And now I've seen the whole thing, and I'm gonna throw up.
What a complete putz this man is.
I stopped watching it. I can't get over this man, who thinks he's a Christian doing God's work, turning a Bible verse into a rant on Communism.
| 483 |
Ojoe Wed, Sep 2, 2009 8:31:26pm |
re: #470 SanFranciscoZionist
His employers are shameless at this point, keeping him on for ratings. No charity really.
| 484 |
haakondahl Wed, Sep 2, 2009 8:31:30pm |
re: #460 marjoriemoon
I think it was the joker face, not the nazi thing (oh so many to choose from).
If I saw someone like that with a swastika and I had the chance to snatch it and stomp on it, I would, jail be damned.
There was a point being made that Mr. Joker-Nazi Poster Man was on the school grounds or near the school. Did he have a permit to protest? I don't know.
I would join you in stomping on some swastika. I just don't want the police doing it. Who's next?
| 485 |
Killgore Trout Wed, Sep 2, 2009 8:32:04pm |
Full moon? That creepy rock in the sky is looking large tonight
| 486 |
reine.de.tout Wed, Sep 2, 2009 8:32:18pm |
re: #371 Danny
George_guy: I wasn't banned but he gave me a hard time for being a rational creationist.
What is this "rational creationist"?
| 488 |
Gus Wed, Sep 2, 2009 8:32:55pm |
More on Attilio Piccirilli that this buffoon criticized. He also did the following works:
* MacDonough Memorial, New Orleans, Louisiana, 1898
* Indian Literature and Indian Law Giver, facade of the Brooklyn Museum, Brooklyn, New York, 1909
* Maine Memorial, Columbus Circle, New York, 1913
* Firemen’s Memorial, Riverside Drive, New York City. 1913
* North pediment, Wisconsin State Capitol, Madison, Wisconsin. 1915
* Mothers' War Memorial, Albany, New York, 1923
* James Monroe Statue, Ash Lawn, Albemarle County, Virginia
* Thomas Jefferson Bust in Rotunda of Virginia State Capitol, Capitol Square, Richmond, Virginia, 1931.
* James Monroe Bust in Rotunda of Virginia State Capitol, Capitol Square, Richmond, Virginia, 1931
* Joy of Life (Young Faun), Governor's Mansion, Capitol Square, Richmond, Virginia, 1931
* Eternal Youth and Youth Leading Industry, Rockefeller Center, New York City, 1935
* Present Day Postman, Post Office Building, Washington DC, 1936
* Guglielmo Marconi Memorial, Washington D.C. 1941
He was also one of the sculptors of the sitting Lincoln in the Lincoln Memorial:
Lying between the north and south chambers is the central hall containing the solitary figure of Lincoln sitting in contemplation. The statue was carved in four years by the Piccirilli brothers under the supervision of the sculptor, Daniel Chester French.
| 489 |
haakondahl Wed, Sep 2, 2009 8:33:21pm |
re: #480 taxfreekiller
fewer words
more logic
The fat hippie was wrong. The sign is awful. The cop is wrong. The guy with the sign is a putz. Not against the law.
| 490 |
Ringo the Gringo Wed, Sep 2, 2009 8:33:22pm |
The problem with people like Beck (or the John Birchers) is that they mix a bit of truth with a whole lot of delusion, and in so doing, they discredit both the grain of truth and themselves.
I don't care if they discredit themselves, but I hate to see the truth, however small, get dismissed in the process.
| 491 |
Danny Wed, Sep 2, 2009 8:33:36pm |
| 492 |
Charles Johnson Wed, Sep 2, 2009 8:33:52pm |
re: #463 iceweasel
The poster also compared health reform to the Final Solution.
We had someone comparing the health care bill to the "Final Solution" here at LGF just yesterday.
[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]
| 493 |
Sharmuta Wed, Sep 2, 2009 8:34:07pm |
re: #486 reine.de.tout
What is this "rational creationist"?
With this follow up!
Yahzek: Rational Creationist may be the most ubsurd Oxymoron every uttered in a sentence.
| 494 |
J.D. Wed, Sep 2, 2009 8:34:17pm |
re: #468 OldLineTexan
...In an unusual twist, the head of the Justice Department, Attorney General Eric Holder, did not participate in the record settlement, because he had represented Pfizer on these issues while in private practice. ...
And lost, it seems.
Interesting.
| 495 |
unrealizedviewpoint Wed, Sep 2, 2009 8:34:47pm |
re: #489 haakondahl
The fat hippie was wrong. The sign is awful. The cop is wrong. The guy with the sign is a putz. Not against the law.
That should satisfy all involved.
| 497 |
Danny Wed, Sep 2, 2009 8:35:29pm |
OT: Charles, is it normal to get logged out switching between threads? Is there some sort of timed forced logout thing?
| 498 |
Dark_Falcon Wed, Sep 2, 2009 8:35:39pm |
re: #492 Charles
We had someone comparing the health care bill to the "Final Solution" here at LGF just yesterday.
[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]
The Stupid is strong with that one.
| 500 |
jorline Wed, Sep 2, 2009 8:36:19pm |
re: #489 haakondahl
The fat hippie was wrong. The sign is awful. The cop is wrong. The guy with the sign is a putz. Not against the law.
Posted this for you earlier.
433 jorline Wed, Sep 2, 2009 8:14:47pm
re: #404 haakondahl
In Yokosuka, south of Yokohama, which is south of Tokyo. Big Navy base out here, where I work as a civilian.
I lived just outside of Tokyo at Tachikawa and Kanto Mura from 1964-1967...all closed now. A big Sunday treat was going into Tokyo and staying at the American Sanyo Hotel.
| 501 |
unrealizedviewpoint Wed, Sep 2, 2009 8:37:11pm |
re: #497 Danny
OT: Charles, is it normal to get logged out switching between threads? Is there some sort of timed forced logout thing?
This morning I was logged in to one thread while logged out of the newly opened one.
| 504 |
yesandno Wed, Sep 2, 2009 8:37:39pm |
re: #486 reine.de.tout
What is this "rational creationist"?
Someone who is a creationst who has a college degree that isn't from Bob Jones or Liberty University, possibly?
//ok, maybe a step too far.
| 505 |
Danny Wed, Sep 2, 2009 8:37:49pm |
re: #501 unrealizedviewpoint
This morning I was logged in to one thread while logged out of the newly opened one.
Yeah, that just happened to me, then when I switched threads within the same window I got logged out everywhere.
| 507 |
What, me worry? Wed, Sep 2, 2009 8:38:03pm |
re: #478 unrealizedviewpoint
The town hall is the event. You need a permit to hold a town hall? No.
Well we have weekly meetings at our town hall, commission meetings. I've attended some. I served on one of the committees a few years ago. Anyone can come. And no, no permit required.
Protests are different though. I don't have an understanding as to what the video was about really.
| 508 |
Ringo the Gringo Wed, Sep 2, 2009 8:38:11pm |
| 509 |
Mich-again Wed, Sep 2, 2009 8:38:14pm |
re: #481 Killgore Trout
At least I can always escape them if I need to.
I should grab some of their mailings and post them sometime. The best part is all the ads for survivalist equipment like silver ion water purification units that can turn crick water into antibiotic elixirs. You're gonna need one of them. There is so much money to be made selling crap like that to paranoid people. I need to figure out some way to get all these dolts to send me some cash.
| 510 |
reine.de.tout Wed, Sep 2, 2009 8:38:23pm |
re: #497 Danny
OT: Charles, is it normal to get logged out switching between threads? Is there some sort of timed forced logout thing?
It just happens sometimes.
| 511 |
unrealizedviewpoint Wed, Sep 2, 2009 8:38:34pm |
How come I can't hear the dinger when my comments get dinged?
| 513 |
Ojoe Wed, Sep 2, 2009 8:38:59pm |
I went to the anagram server and it came up with NO anagrams for Glenn Beck.
| 515 |
Dr. Shalit Wed, Sep 2, 2009 8:39:18pm |
re: #500 jorline
Posted this for you earlier.
433 jorline Wed, Sep 2, 2009 8:14:47pm
re: #404 haakondahl
In Yokosuka, south of Yokohama, which is south of Tokyo. Big Navy base out here, where I work as a civilian.
I lived just outside of Tokyo at Tachikawa and Kanto Mura from 1964-1967...all closed now. A big Sunday treat was going into Tokyo and staying at the American Sanyo Hotel.
Jorline -
From what I understand, the hotel is now probably the American Panasonic Hotel, The Matsushita Family once again united.
-S-
| 516 |
J.D. Wed, Sep 2, 2009 8:39:24pm |
re: #509 Mich-again
Are they still worked up about fluoride in drinking water?
| 517 |
Gus Wed, Sep 2, 2009 8:39:27pm |
re: #499 wee fury
Glenn Beck has slipped a cog.
Glenn Beck as Charlie Chaplin in Modern Times.
Irony.
| 518 |
J.D. Wed, Sep 2, 2009 8:40:23pm |
re: #511 unrealizedviewpoint
How come I can't hear the dinger when my comments get dinged?
There isn't supposed to be a sound, is there?
| 520 |
unrealizedviewpoint Wed, Sep 2, 2009 8:41:05pm |
| 521 |
theheat Wed, Sep 2, 2009 8:41:19pm |
If I were working on Obama's re-election, I'd buy spots on Beck's show. Lots of them. I think any Democrat could benefit from investing advertising dollars during that slot. The possibilities to ridicule him, and the members of the party that swallow that brand of Kool-Aid, are endless.
As a bit of an art junkie, and former art history study-er, I like many kinds of art, including all the communist/war-era stuff. It was intense, political, visceral stuff, done extremely well. Iconic, really. So popular, it's still being imitated.
The fact it drives Glenn Beck batshit crazy makes me like it even more. I imagine he sees it in the grain of his hardwood floors. Why? Because the man is a raving lunatic.
| 522 |
Charles Johnson Wed, Sep 2, 2009 8:41:23pm |
re: #516 J.D.
Are they still worked up about fluoride in drinking water?
Yes, the John Birch Society is still raving about fluoridation.
| 525 |
What, me worry? Wed, Sep 2, 2009 8:43:31pm |
re: #516 J.D.
Are they still worked up about fluoride in drinking water?
Maybe they have a lot of dentists in their organization.
| 526 |
Desert Dog Wed, Sep 2, 2009 8:44:05pm |
| 527 |
haakondahl Wed, Sep 2, 2009 8:44:10pm |
| 528 |
Dr. Shalit Wed, Sep 2, 2009 8:44:11pm |
re: #522 Charles
Yes, the John Birch Society is still raving about fluoridation.
Charles -
AND Unfortunately, William F. Buckley is deceased, and his successor is?
-S-
| 529 |
unrealizedviewpoint Wed, Sep 2, 2009 8:44:19pm |
re: #518 J.D.
There isn't supposed to be a sound, is there?
It'd be way cool to hear a dinger go off when you get updinged. Then when ya get downdinged it'd be a buzzer, like when you get the question wrong on a gameshow.
| 530 |
Sheila Broflovski Wed, Sep 2, 2009 8:44:44pm |
re: #522 Charles
Yes, the John Birch Society is still raving about fluoridation.
Maybe they just don't like the "Mom's White Teeth Secret" scam ads.
| 531 |
Van Helsing Wed, Sep 2, 2009 8:44:48pm |
OT:
Biologist Ileene Anderson with the Center for Biological Diversity, an environmental organization, said burn permits should be difficult to get because of the potential damage to air quality. Clearing chaparral by hand or machine must be closely scrutinized because it can hurt native species."Our air quality, for a variety of factors, doesn't need to be further reduced by these controlled burns," she said.
From an article about the CA fires.
I wonder how they feel about the uncontrolled burns?
| 532 |
J.D. Wed, Sep 2, 2009 8:44:48pm |
re: #522 Charles
Yes, the John Birch Society is still raving about fluoridation.
I sort of figured they would be.
Shouldn't it have done whatever horrid thing it was supposed to do to us by now? After drinking it for my entire life...
Uh-oh.
/
| 533 |
wee fury Wed, Sep 2, 2009 8:45:07pm |
I have a well.
I say gimme, gimme, gimme flouride!
| 534 |
What, me worry? Wed, Sep 2, 2009 8:45:10pm |
re: #527 haakondahl
Is it safe?
hehe No, I mean anti-flouride. Lots of cavities! Big money for the DDS!
| 535 |
Desert Dog Wed, Sep 2, 2009 8:45:22pm |
re: #528 Dr. Shalit
Charles -
AND Unfortunately, William F. Buckley is deceased, and his successor is?
-S-
Why, Barack Obama, of course...the most respected conservative in the USA today!
| 536 |
Sharmuta Wed, Sep 2, 2009 8:45:44pm |
re: #496 Gus 802
Glenn Beck should be fired.
Whoever does his research or fact checking should certainly be fired.
| 537 |
unrealizedviewpoint Wed, Sep 2, 2009 8:46:08pm |
In the communities that don't flouridate the water, I understand cavities among the poor are a huge problem. Flouridation is good.
| 538 |
OldLineTexan Wed, Sep 2, 2009 8:46:13pm |
re: #536 Sharmuta
Whoever does his research or fact checking should certainly be fired.
Hey, Mary Mapes has to eat too, ya know.
/
| 539 |
Gus Wed, Sep 2, 2009 8:46:24pm |
re: #536 Sharmuta
Whoever does his research or fact checking should certainly be fired.
Well, it's not Andy Levy. /
| 540 |
Sheila Broflovski Wed, Sep 2, 2009 8:46:25pm |
re: #531 Van Helsing
OT:
From an article about the CA fires.
I wonder how they feel about the uncontrolled burns?
The reason California is having these raging wild fires is because the environmentalists do not allow the Forest Service to clear-cut firebreaks, like was done in the past.
I hope they're fucking happy now.
| 541 |
jaunte Wed, Sep 2, 2009 8:46:38pm |
American Academy of Family Physicians:
Fluoridation of public water supplies is a safe, economical, and effective measure to prevent dental caries.
...snip...
Since the addition of fluoride to public water supplies was initiated in 1945, exposure to fluoridation continues as a persistent public health issue. It is estimated that 62% of the United States population in 1989 resided in areas served by fluoridated drinking water supplies.[Link: www.aafp.org...]
| 542 |
Mich-again Wed, Sep 2, 2009 8:46:45pm |
re: #516 J.D.
Are they still worked up about fluoride in drinking water?
I have a water softener and carbon tower in my basement for the incoming city water supply. Highly recommended actually. Untreated city water tastes like chlorine around here. Blech.
| 543 |
Desert Dog Wed, Sep 2, 2009 8:46:53pm |
re: #536 Sharmuta
Whoever does his research or fact checking should certainly be fired.
It's not even fake, or accurate!
| 544 |
Desert Dog Wed, Sep 2, 2009 8:47:21pm |
re: #542 Mich-again
I have a water softener and carbon tower in my basement for the incoming city water supply. Highly recommended actually. Untreated city water tastes like chlorine around here. Blech.
Gotta have that here in the AZ. The water is "extra-chunky"
| 545 |
Almost Killed by Space Hookers Wed, Sep 2, 2009 8:47:24pm |
Repost:
OK... ummm... I have something terrible to admit...
I helped write the speech.
The one that our great president will give to our nations' children...
I worked with the psycholinguistics department at Los Alamos for five months on this baby.
The speech is 14 minutes and 53 seconds long. The undertones and subsonic enhancements from the broadcast coupled with the light patterns in the presidential seal are a masterwork of all the research that went into MK Ulttra.
In just 113 seconds, it reduced a test subject, a former marine and life long member of the GOP and the NRA into a vegan!
After just 145 seconds he discovered his feminine side and now wishes to be called Amanda!
This is my masterwork!!!
When it was shown to a platoon of army rangers, they became the following:
You think I'm joking? Those were RANGERS!!!
After five full minutes, this is what it did to Navy SEALS!
Your children have no chance!!!
BWAHAAA HAAA HAAA
| 546 |
Mostly sane, most of the time. Wed, Sep 2, 2009 8:47:41pm |
My first three children were born in an area with fluoridated water. My next two haven't been. I was tardy getting fluoride tablets to the youngest, and I did see a difference.
His teeth are way worse than his siblings. he's four and has had one pulled and one full crown. At four.
So much for that theory.
| 547 |
unrealizedviewpoint Wed, Sep 2, 2009 8:47:53pm |
re: #540 Alouette
The reason California is having these raging wild fires is because the environmentalists do not allow the Forest Service to clear-cut firebreaks, like was done in the past.
I hope they're fucking happy now.
They told me it was climate change.
| 548 |
jorline Wed, Sep 2, 2009 8:48:06pm |
re: #515 Dr. Shalit
Jorline -
From what I understand, the hotel is now probably the American Panasonic Hotel, The Matsushita Family once again united.
-S-
Best and biggest Mongolian BBQ in town.
| 549 |
Van Helsing Wed, Sep 2, 2009 8:48:09pm |
re: #544 Desert Dog
Gotta have that here in the AZ. The water is "extra-chunky"
True 'dat.
Thank goodness for charcoal filters.
| 550 |
The Shadow Do Wed, Sep 2, 2009 8:48:19pm |
re: #468 OldLineTexan
Pfizer, demonic big pharma gone wild or a whipping boy for Obamacare? Should they be punished? Yes. Should they be utterly destroyed to the tune of multi-billions? No.
Lots more jobs to be wiped out here, but Obama enjoys the moral high ground - plus the joy of overseeing the destruction of yet one more evil corporation standing in the way of Social Justice and Universal Health Care.
| 551 |
J.D. Wed, Sep 2, 2009 8:48:44pm |
re: #525 marjoriemoon
Maybe they have a lot of dentists in their organization.
That thought has crossed my mind.
| 552 |
OldLineTexan Wed, Sep 2, 2009 8:49:10pm |
re: #550 The Shadow Do
Pfizer, demonic big pharma gone wild or a whipping boy for Obamacare? Should they be punished? Yes. Should they be utterly destroyed to the tune of multi-billions? No.
Lots more jobs to be wiped out here, but Obama enjoys the moral high ground - plus the joy of overseeing the destruction of yet one more evil corporation standing in the way of Social Justice and Universal Health Care.
Apparently, Pfizer has phucked up bephore ...
/
| 553 |
Sharmuta Wed, Sep 2, 2009 8:49:15pm |
re: #543 Desert Dog
It's not even fake, or accurate!
It's really embarrassing. A Bible verse, for Pete's sake!
| 554 |
Mostly sane, most of the time. Wed, Sep 2, 2009 8:49:30pm |
re: #545 LudwigVanQuixote
I'd be a lot more frightened if it had done this to the seals:
| 555 |
Dancing along the light of day Wed, Sep 2, 2009 8:49:40pm |
re: #485 Killgore Trout
Since I wrote down your London Hotel recommendation last night...
| 556 |
The Left Wed, Sep 2, 2009 8:50:33pm |
re: #545 LudwigVanQuixote
Excellent work, Comrade Ludwig! The reaction of the freepers:
| 557 |
What, me worry? Wed, Sep 2, 2009 8:50:35pm |
re: #545 LudwigVanQuixote
ROFL! That belongs on the post downstairs! I tried typing a rebuttal, but my fingers failed me. You nailed it Ludwig!
Gosh those Russians are sexxxyyy :P (esp the accordion dude!)
| 558 |
Ringo the Gringo Wed, Sep 2, 2009 8:50:58pm |
One of the saddest things about the John Birch Society is that the man, John Birch, had nothing to do with the John Birch Society. I don't know much about John Birch other than that he was killed by Chinese Communists in the waning days of WWII...and that he had no part in the organization that bares his name.
| 559 |
The Shadow Do Wed, Sep 2, 2009 8:51:06pm |
re: #552 OldLineTexan
Apparently, Pfizer has phucked up bephore ...
/
Off with their pheads! And retrain their employees for green jobs?
| 560 |
Desert Dog Wed, Sep 2, 2009 8:51:07pm |
re: #555 Floral Giraffe
Since I wrote down your London Hotel recommendation last night...
[Video]
Saw a Werewolf at Trader Vic's
enjoying a Pina Colada
His hair was perfect
| 561 |
J.D. Wed, Sep 2, 2009 8:51:42pm |
re: #529 unrealizedviewpoint
It'd be way cool to hear a dinger go off when you get updinged. Then when ya get downdinged it'd be a buzzer, like when you get the question wrong on a gameshow.
I'd hope for a gong when you get downdinged.
Probably a generational thing on my part...
| 562 |
Charles Johnson Wed, Sep 2, 2009 8:51:43pm |
re: #540 Alouette
The reason California is having these raging wild fires is because the environmentalists do not allow the Forest Service to clear-cut firebreaks, like was done in the past.
I hope they're fucking happy now.
I am extremely skeptical that this report is accurate. Environmentalists are well aware of the need for firebreaks. Somebody is spinning this one.
| 563 |
Almost Killed by Space Hookers Wed, Sep 2, 2009 8:52:01pm |
re: #554 EmmmieG
I'd be a lot more frightened if it had done this to the seals:
[Video]
LOL...
After 10 minutes this is what it did to Jerry Falwell and ten of his followers... He didn't die, like the reports said...
| 564 |
OldLineTexan Wed, Sep 2, 2009 8:52:42pm |
re: #559 The Shadow Do
Off with their pheads! And retrain their employees for green jobs?
Pflash: Pfister, Pfamous Pfaucet Maker, Pfleads Pfor Pfeace
| 565 |
Gus Wed, Sep 2, 2009 8:53:03pm |
General Ripper: Precious Bodily Fluids
How does that coincide with your post-war Commie conspiracy, huh?
| 566 |
What, me worry? Wed, Sep 2, 2009 8:53:12pm |
re: #561 J.D.
I'd hope for a gong when you get downdinged.
Probably a generational thing on my part...
I had a friend on the Gong Show in the 70's. He did a mime dance to Flashlight by Parliament. It was a hoot. He won LOL
| 567 |
Van Helsing Wed, Sep 2, 2009 8:53:47pm |
re: #562 Charles
That was just part of the report. Primarily it was dealing with the feds not clearing as much as they were authorized to.
I didn't link the whole thing because it is AP and I thought that was forbidden.
| 568 |
Desert Dog Wed, Sep 2, 2009 8:53:48pm |
re: #558 Ringo the Gringo
One of the saddest things about the John Birch Society is that the man, John Birch, had nothing to do with the John Birch Society. I don't know much about John Birch other than that he was killed by Chinese Communists in the waning days of WWII...and that he had no part in the organization that bares his name.
I took at class on Modern Chinese History and the Professor even suggested Birch was not even killed by the Reds...it was probably the Kuomintang that offed him. Chiang Kai-shek's boys are the ones that fingered the Commies.
| 569 |
J.D. Wed, Sep 2, 2009 8:53:53pm |
re: #537 unrealizedviewpoint
In the communities that don't flouridate the water, I understand cavities among the poor are a huge problem. Flouridation is good.
It's always been in the water I drink and I've never had cavities.
Neither have my kids.
Coincidence?
I think not...
| 570 |
Mich-again Wed, Sep 2, 2009 8:54:17pm |
re: #544 Desert Dog
Gotta have that here in the AZ. The water is "extra-chunky"
I'm not sure if the carbon tower affects the fluoridation of our city water. But all my kids' teeth are fine. Brushing regularly and having the teeth cleaned twice a year do wonders for the chicklets.
| 571 |
Sheila Broflovski Wed, Sep 2, 2009 8:55:09pm |
re: #545 LudwigVanQuixote
Repost:
OK... ummm... I have something terrible to admit...
I helped write the speech.
The one that our great president will give to our nations' children...
I worked with the psycholinguistics department at Los Alamos for five months on this baby.
The speech is 14 minutes and 53 seconds long. The undertones and subsonic enhancements from the broadcast coupled with the light patterns in the presidential seal are a masterwork of all the research that went into MK Ulttra.
In just 113 seconds, it reduced a test subject, a former marine and life long member of the GOP and the NRA into a vegan!
After just 145 seconds he discovered his feminine side and now wishes to be called Amanda!
This is my masterwork!!!
When it was shown to a platoon of army rangers, they became the following:
You think I'm joking? Those were RANGERS!!!After five full minutes, this is what it did to Navy SEALS!
Your children have no chance!!!
BWAHAAA HAAA HAAA
And here are the Special Forces:
| 572 |
J.D. Wed, Sep 2, 2009 8:55:25pm |
| 573 |
What, me worry? Wed, Sep 2, 2009 8:55:27pm |
re: #569 J.D.
It's always been in the water I drink and I've never had cavities.
Neither have my kids.Coincidence?
I think not...
Mr. Moon hates gravity. He says it sucks.
| 574 |
experiencedtraveller Wed, Sep 2, 2009 8:55:51pm |
| 575 |
Ringo the Gringo Wed, Sep 2, 2009 8:57:27pm |
re: #568 Desert Dog
I took at class on Modern Chinese History and the Professor even suggested Birch was not even killed by the Reds...it was probably the Kuomintang that offed him. Chiang Kai-shek's boys are the ones that fingered the Commies.
Interesting...Still, the poor fellow's name will forever be associated with an organization that the man himself had nothing to do with.
| 576 |
SummerSong Wed, Sep 2, 2009 8:58:09pm |
re: #558 Ringo the Gringo
One of the saddest things about the John Birch Society is that the man, John Birch, had nothing to do with the John Birch Society. I don't know much about John Birch other than that he was killed by Chinese Communists in the waning days of WWII...and that he had no part in the organization that bares his name.
Kind of like Ellen James? (The World According to Garp)
| 577 |
Almost Killed by Space Hookers Wed, Sep 2, 2009 8:58:40pm |
| 578 |
Sharmuta Wed, Sep 2, 2009 8:59:26pm |
re: #576 SummerSong
I just replied to you on the Totten thread. It's funny I was singled out for an additional comment over there- Mr Totten knows who I am thanks to a mutual friend.
| 579 |
Dancing along the light of day Wed, Sep 2, 2009 8:59:33pm |
Just because, Pink Floyd "Comfortably Numb"
| 580 |
OldLineTexan Wed, Sep 2, 2009 8:59:36pm |
| 581 |
Sheila Broflovski Wed, Sep 2, 2009 8:59:41pm |
| 583 |
jorline Wed, Sep 2, 2009 9:00:08pm |
Report: AFL-CIO Pushes Tax on All Stock Transactions
The AFL-CIO reportedly is promoting a proposal to tax every single stock transaction, and it's gained some support among Democrats.
Union policy director Thea Lee told the newspaper that the tax could raise between $50 billion and $100 billion annually for the federal government, but also serve to discourage "speculative financial activity." In other words, the kind of lightning-fast trading conducted by mega-firms which critics say leads to volatility.
The idea reportedly is gaining some support in Congress and among top officials in London.
| 584 |
Gus Wed, Sep 2, 2009 9:00:29pm |
From Dr. Strangelove
Ripper: [with his arm around Mandrake] "Mandrake, have you ever seen a commie drink a glass of water?"
Mandrake: "No, Jack. I can't say that I have."
Ripper: "Vodka. That's what they drink, isn't it? Never water?"
Mandrake: "Well, I believe that's what they drink, Jack. Yes."
Ripper: "On no account will a commie drink water? And not without good reason?"
Mandrake: "I don't quite see what you're getting at, Jack."
Ripper: "Water. That's what I'm getting at. Water, Mandrake. Water is the source of all life. Seven-tenths of the earth's surface is water. Why, do you realize that 70% of you is water?"
Mandrake: [nervously, beginning to suspect that Ripper really has flipped his noggin] "Odd."
Ripper: "And as human beings, you and I need fresh, pure water to replenish our precious bodily fluids."
Mandrake: "Yes."
Ripper: "Are you beginning to understand?"
Mandrake: [laughing pathetically] "Yes."
Ripper: "Mandrake. [hugs him closer] Mandrake, have you ever wondered why I drink only distilled water, or rain water, and only pure grain alcohol?"
Mandrake: "Well, it did occur to me, Jack, yes."
Ripper: "Have you ever heard of a thing called fluoridation, fluoridation of water?"
Mandrake: "Yes, I have heard of that, Jack, yes."
Ripper: "Well, do you know what it is?"
Mandrake: "No."
Ripper: "Do you realize that fluoridation is the most monstrously conceived and dangerous commie plot we have ever had to face?"
| 585 |
J.D. Wed, Sep 2, 2009 9:00:31pm |
re: #566 marjoriemoon
I had a friend on the Gong Show in the 70's. He did a mime dance to Flashlight by Parliament. It was a hoot. He won LOL
Good for him! I probably saw it, but don't remember it.
/fluoride in the water
| 586 |
Almost Killed by Space Hookers Wed, Sep 2, 2009 9:00:54pm |
re: #581 Alouette
We Zionists have our ways.
Mebst!!! Just because of your upcoming Simcha - and Mazel Tov by the way, you do not get to reveal the secrets of the Zionist occupation of Remulack!!!
Bad operative!!! No bagel!!!
| 587 |
Dark_Falcon Wed, Sep 2, 2009 9:01:01pm |
re: #580 OldLineTexan
Trade socks with Sandy Berger?
LudwigVanQuixote has no sockpuppets, nor does he need them. ;)
| 588 |
Ojoe Wed, Sep 2, 2009 9:01:19pm |
re: #531 Van Helsing
Clearing chaparral by hand or machine must be closely scrutinized because it can hurt native species.
"Our air quality, for a variety of factors, doesn't need to be further reduced by these controlled burns," she said.
There is NO WAY to thin the fuel load on a whole mountain range by hand. It will be burnt one way or another.
Sheesh.
| 589 |
Mich-again Wed, Sep 2, 2009 9:01:51pm |
re: #562 Charles
Environmentalists are well aware of the need for firebreaks.
In general the environmentalists been averse to allowing any sort of logging in old forests. Nope, its much more noble and enlightened to let the fuel just build up on the ground in unmolested forest land so when a natural fire does happen it burns completely out of control. I'll take a guess that if those were Weyerhaueser managed lands they wouldn't be burning up right now.
| 590 |
Almost Killed by Space Hookers Wed, Sep 2, 2009 9:01:52pm |
re: #587 Dark_Falcon
LudwigVanQuixote has no sockpuppets, nor does he need them. ;)
Nope just me... I really never understood the desire to have a sock, they always get caught and clipped.
| 591 |
jorline Wed, Sep 2, 2009 9:02:39pm |
| 592 |
SummerSong Wed, Sep 2, 2009 9:03:08pm |
re: #578 Sharmuta
I just replied to you on the Totten thread. It's funny I was singled out for an additional comment over there- Mr Totten knows who I am thanks to a mutual friend.
I thought was funny, too. :) Glad you saw it.
| 593 |
Gus Wed, Sep 2, 2009 9:03:19pm |
| 594 |
J.D. Wed, Sep 2, 2009 9:03:26pm |
| 595 |
Bagua Wed, Sep 2, 2009 9:04:47pm |
re: #587 Dark_Falcon
LudwigVanQuixote has no sockpuppets, nor does he need them. ;)
Well, since we're all coming clean here...
Ludwig is actually my sockpuppet.
| 596 |
Almost Killed by Space Hookers Wed, Sep 2, 2009 9:05:41pm |
re: #595 Bagua
Well, since we're all coming clean here...
Ludwig is actually my sockpuppet.
Get you hand out of there...
| 598 |
Desert Dog Wed, Sep 2, 2009 9:05:52pm |
re: #595 Bagua
Well, since we're all coming clean here...
Ludwig is actually my sockpuppet.
NO, I am Spartacus!
| 599 |
Desert Dog Wed, Sep 2, 2009 9:06:12pm |
| 600 |
Sharmuta Wed, Sep 2, 2009 9:08:04pm |
re: #597 jaunte
More money out of all our 401ks.
Didn't you hear? Industry is the new communism. I heard it on Glnn Bck!
| 601 |
J.D. Wed, Sep 2, 2009 9:08:11pm |
re: #595 Bagua
Well, since we're all coming clean here...
Ludwig is actually my sockpuppet.
You devil you!
| 604 |
Bagua Wed, Sep 2, 2009 9:09:29pm |
| 605 |
jaunte Wed, Sep 2, 2009 9:09:34pm |
re: #583 jorline
It's too bad the reporter doesn't know that the money won't be paid by "Wall Street."
After the federal government put up hundreds of billions of dollars to bail out Wall Street, the largest labor union in America wants those firms to return the favor.
| 606 |
Dark_Falcon Wed, Sep 2, 2009 9:10:23pm |
re: #600 Sharmuta
Didn't you hear? Industry is the new communism. I heard it on Glnn Bck!
I think that from now on Glen Beck should be called Nelg Kceb, because like Ron Paul and Gordon, his thoughts are bass-ackwards.
| 607 |
Killgore Trout Wed, Sep 2, 2009 9:10:36pm |
Michelle Malkin on Obama's speech to public school students
I just can't watch anymore of this nonsense but I'll post for others to watch.
| 608 |
SummerSong Wed, Sep 2, 2009 9:10:40pm |
re: #583 jorline
"...but also serve to discourage "speculative financial activity."
LOL! Speculative financial activity IS the market.
| 609 |
Dark_Falcon Wed, Sep 2, 2009 9:11:01pm |
| 611 |
Charles Johnson Wed, Sep 2, 2009 9:11:55pm |
re: #589 Mich-again
In general the environmentalists been averse to allowing any sort of logging in old forests. Nope, its much more noble and enlightened to let the fuel just build up on the ground in unmolested forest land so when a natural fire does happen it burns completely out of control. I'll take a guess that if those were Weyerhaueser managed lands they wouldn't be burning up right now.
Only the most extreme fringe enviromental groups advocate stuff like that. The vast majority of responsible environmentalists are very clear about the need for controlled burns in forest areas.
| 613 |
Dancing along the light of day Wed, Sep 2, 2009 9:12:42pm |
re: #583 jorline
Yawn, Unions want to penalize workers investments they don't control.
Want is a LONG way from reality. Especially given the condition of "Social Security".
| 614 |
Van Helsing Wed, Sep 2, 2009 9:12:45pm |
re: #583 jorline
Why would the AFL-CIO be pushing a tax plan?
Am I paranoid to think that there must be some benefit to them that isn't obvious?
| 615 |
Bagua Wed, Sep 2, 2009 9:12:47pm |
re: #609 Dark_Falcon
Now I understand:
You're Barney Frank's sockpuppet!
Eeek, Ludwig, what are they suggesting?
| 616 |
Charles Johnson Wed, Sep 2, 2009 9:13:03pm |
re: #607 Killgore Trout
Michelle Malkin on Obama's speech to public school students
[Video]I just can't watch anymore of this nonsense but I'll post for others to watch.
Absolutely pathetic alarmist garbage. More of the same.
| 617 |
Almost Killed by Space Hookers Wed, Sep 2, 2009 9:13:56pm |
re: #615 Bagua
Eeek, Ludwig, what are they suggesting?
well, when we take the blindfold off of you... you will understand that much can be done if you have a circular geometry...
| 618 |
The Left Wed, Sep 2, 2009 9:14:15pm |
re: #606 Dark_Falcon
I think that from now on Glen Beck should be called Nelg Kceb, because like Ron Paul and Gordon, his thoughts are bass-ackwards.
Nah, it's Glnn Bk, because Obama is in our internets sending our vowels to FEMA camps, and he's sold the letter C to China to pay for health care. :(
It's an oligarhy. And it's all about the youth in asia.
| 619 |
Killgore Trout Wed, Sep 2, 2009 9:15:18pm |
re: #616 Charles
I just couldn't bring myself to watch the video but how Air comments on the the Malkin and Becks threads were all pretty much positive. This is what conservatives seem to want these days. let's hope this passes soon.
| 620 |
Bagua Wed, Sep 2, 2009 9:15:36pm |
re: #617 LudwigVanQuixote
well, when we take the blindfold off of you... you will understand that much can be done if you have a circular geometry...
I believe you mean your circular logic. :)
| 621 |
Sharmuta Wed, Sep 2, 2009 9:15:43pm |
re: #616 Charles
Absolutely pathetic alarmist garbage. More of the same.
I knew Malkin was an alarmist when I read Invasion. Actually- when I read half of Invasion. I had the feeling from her that there was a jihadi around every tree. I didn't appreciate the fear mongering, so I quit reading it. She's done nothing to change my opinion of her since.
| 622 |
Dark_Falcon Wed, Sep 2, 2009 9:15:45pm |
re: #618 iceweasel
Nah, it's Glnn Bk, because Obama is in our internets sending our vowels to FEMA camps, and he's sold the letter C to China to pay for health care. :(
It's an oligarhy. And it's all about the youth in asia.
LOL (for real)!
| 623 |
Gus Wed, Sep 2, 2009 9:16:11pm |
re: #607 Killgore Trout
Michelle Malkin on Obama's speech to public school students
I just can't watch anymore of this nonsense but I'll post for others to watch.
Abusing and exploiting children?
| 624 |
Killgore Trout Wed, Sep 2, 2009 9:16:49pm |
Bush also called on people to volunteer for community service on 9-11. Don't let that get in the way of freaking out over Obama doing it too.
| 625 |
jaunte Wed, Sep 2, 2009 9:17:13pm |
re: #618 iceweasel
I'll suggest simply calling him Glub; drowning in b.s.
| 626 |
Almost Killed by Space Hookers Wed, Sep 2, 2009 9:17:29pm |
re: #616 Charles
Absolutely pathetic alarmist garbage. More of the same.
After Malkin made that speech we were really angry over at ANL.
This is what it did to Malkin shortly after she was kidnapped...
She will now teach other girls how to get the new look!
| 627 |
Almost Killed by Space Hookers Wed, Sep 2, 2009 9:18:29pm |
re: #616 Charles
Our power knows no bounds!
| 628 |
Dark_Falcon Wed, Sep 2, 2009 9:18:30pm |
re: #626 LudwigVanQuixote
After Malkin made that speech we were really angry over at ANL.
This is what it did to Malkin shortly after she was kidnapped...
She will now teach other girls how to get the new look!
Ludwig, you are on a roll tonight! Loves it.
| 629 |
yesandno Wed, Sep 2, 2009 9:19:21pm |
re: #583 jorline
My mother always said that you couldn't legislate morality...
But apparently she never realized that you could tax for morality...sort of like by making guns illegal, you eliminate crime.
Who knew?
| 630 |
Irish Rose Wed, Sep 2, 2009 9:19:58pm |
re: #616 Charles
Absolutely pathetic alarmist garbage. More of the same.
Whatever credibility Michelle Malkin may have had as a journalist disappeared a long time ago.
| 631 |
Killgore Trout Wed, Sep 2, 2009 9:21:07pm |
| 633 |
Sharmuta Wed, Sep 2, 2009 9:22:07pm |
It's as though punditry has gone the way of the news cycle. There are fewer and fewer pieces we could rightfully call essays- intelligent, well reasoned, thought provoking...
Now pundits are more like the news- where alarmism sells. Must have bad news for the ratings! Reasonableness doesn't sell- like a plane landing safely isn't news. Now it's all hype and hysteria. Sad.
| 634 |
Almost Killed by Space Hookers Wed, Sep 2, 2009 9:23:00pm |
re: #628 Dark_Falcon
Ludwig, you are on a roll tonight! Loves it.
Thank you...
Let me show you what happened to Cheny...
Do you wonder why he has been out of the spotlight for so long? See the power of Obama...
| 635 |
Killgore Trout Wed, Sep 2, 2009 9:24:16pm |
| 636 |
jaunte Wed, Sep 2, 2009 9:25:47pm |
re: #635 Killgore Trout
Paging Sean Hannity:
"Many ask, "What can I do to help in our fight?" And the answer is simple. All of us can become a September the 11th volunteer by making a commitment to service in our own communities. You can serve your country by tutoring or mentoring a child, comforting the afflicted, housing those in need of shelter. Whatever your talent, whatever your background, each of you can do something. America needs more than voters and taxpayers. America needs full-time citizens. America needs men and women who respond to the call of duty, who stand up for the weak, who speak up for their beliefs, who sacrifice for a greater good."
| 637 |
Van Helsing Wed, Sep 2, 2009 9:26:51pm |
Some papers on climate modelling (via Chaos Manor)
CO2 forcing
| 639 |
Gus Wed, Sep 2, 2009 9:27:26pm |
re: #633 Sharmuta
It's as though punditry has gone the way of the news cycle. There are fewer and fewer pieces we could rightfully call essays- intelligent, well reasoned, thought provoking...
Now pundits are more like the news- where alarmism sells. Must have bad news for the ratings! Reasonableness doesn't sell- like a plane landing safely isn't news. Now it's all hype and hysteria. Sad.
They are basically playing with their viewers emotions. Instead of communicating to their intellect they're communicating to their "hearts" if you will. By the heart I mean the id or the more basic of human emotions. I doubt they plan things out in this manner but that is the end result. Hence, not only do we see the wording to the pleasure senses of their viewers but the shrill like modulation of their voices.
| 640 |
Desert Dog Wed, Sep 2, 2009 9:33:25pm |
| 641 |
ArchangelMichael Wed, Sep 2, 2009 9:35:50pm |
re: #576 SummerSong
Kind of like Ellen James? (The World According to Garp)
Upding for obscure but cool reference. I think that was one of Amanda Plummers first film roles too.
| 642 |
Almost Killed by Space Hookers Wed, Sep 2, 2009 9:36:03pm |
re: #637 Van Helsing
Some papers on climate modelling (via Chaos Manor)
CO2 forcing
Do you have to do this to me when I was in such a good mood..
Both of these are rather technical papers talking about technical details. Do not let the first paper make you think that the maximum that they are referring to in one part of the world in 1998 means that the Earth has suddenly started cooling or that the overall trend has gone away.
Look at the data.
[Link: www.ncdc.noaa.gov...]
I also disagree with a lot of what this paper has to say, but I am hoping that a glance at the NOAA data will convince you that what you think this means is not what this means.
As to the second paper, it is complaining about specific models fine scale resolution of certain weather patterns not global long term trends.
You need to be very careful about cherrypicking stuff like this.
| 643 |
yesandno Wed, Sep 2, 2009 9:36:33pm |
re: #619 Killgore Trout
I just couldn't bring myself to watch the video but how Air comments on the the Malkin and Becks threads were all pretty much positive. This is what conservatives seem to want these days. let's hope this passes soon.
There is a major void in leadership on both sides of the argument. Until someone takes charge, any argument goes...regardless of the facts. I like Beck. I think he is being honest. Unfortunately, he is not well educated and therefore takes everything he reads to heart without a logical analysis. He is trying to educate himself, but those who supply the sources have not broadened his perspective. So I do understand why most of you take issue with him. In fact, most of you have opened my eyes to the dangers of being lead by someone unqualified to really lead. Unlike a lot of you, I don't think Beck does this to manipulate others.
I have as much of problem with the Obama side. I think he is uneducated on a lot of the issues, but he brings to the table a political philosophy that trumps any knowledge on a specific subject. All that he does is a means to an end, and that end is the change of American society. There is no assessment of what works and what doesn't, just the belief that equality demands redistribution, and that those he considered as put down by society's failings of the past should now have an opportunity to run things, regardless of qualification.
Somewhere in between these approaches, there is something that can make things better without tearing everything down. Only now, I am not sure what that approach should be. Truth is good...but hard to determine when the media will not report on everything.
| 644 |
haakondahl Wed, Sep 2, 2009 9:38:03pm |
re: #630 Irish Rose
Whatever credibility Michelle Malkin may have had as a journalist disappeared a long time ago.
Agreed. Before Hot Air, she had a serious blog going. Now she's a shrill shill.
| 645 |
SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Sep 2, 2009 9:39:12pm |
re: #540 Alouette
The reason California is having these raging wild fires is because the environmentalists do not allow the Forest Service to clear-cut firebreaks, like was done in the past.
I hope they're fucking happy now.
Links?
| 647 |
Van Helsing Wed, Sep 2, 2009 9:40:21pm |
re: #642 LudwigVanQuixote
I don't have to, but it just seemed like you were having fun and hanging around, and well...
No excuse from me. Sorry. No biscuit for me.
However, I didn't cherry pick it. They were posted elsewhere. They just piqued my interest. I don't claim to understand them thoroughly. That's why I'm interested to hear your comments on the papers.
| 648 |
Bagua Wed, Sep 2, 2009 9:40:25pm |
| 649 |
Gus Wed, Sep 2, 2009 9:41:05pm |
re: #635 Killgore Trout
President Bush Linked Volunteerism to 9/11 for Years BEFORE Obama did!
Hey, check this link out and read the comments:
On 9/11 Help the White House stop Right-Wing Domestic Terrorists
Comments from the AR15 site:
Sleepy1988
WTF!?
No FUCKING PEACEFUL WAY TO SOLVE THIS!Recorderguy
Motherfuckers.
Keep it up.bm3
If they continue down this path you might be right.arjohnson
WTF!?
No FUCKING PEACEFUL WAY TO SOLVE THIS!
Is it time yet?DragoMuseveni
It looks like they want a war. Lets give em one they'll never recover from.
| 650 |
jcm Wed, Sep 2, 2009 9:41:26pm |
Evening Honcos,
Ft. Lewis, WA is being hit hard.
9 Fort Lewis Soldiers Killed In Afghanistan In 2 Weeks
Spc. Jonathan D. Welch
Pfc. Jordan M. Brochu
Spc. Tyler R. Walshe
Spc. Troy Orion Tom
Pfc. Jonathan C. Yanney
Cpt. John Hallett III
Cpt. Cory Jenkins
Sgt. 1st Class Ronald Sawyer
Pfc. Dennis Williams
| 651 |
The Left Wed, Sep 2, 2009 9:41:40pm |
re: #639 Gus 802
They are basically playing with their viewers emotions. Instead of communicating to their intellect they're communicating to their "hearts" if you will. By the heart I mean the id or the more basic of human emotions. I doubt they plan things out in this manner but that is the end result. Hence, not only do we see the wording to the pleasure senses of their viewers but the shrill like modulation of their voices.
It's weird to see how some on the right appear to be emulating their worst fantasies about those on the left:
Emotions over reason? Check
Paranoid fantasies about the POTUS? Check
Unhinged conspiracy theories? Double check
Unfounded accusations of fascism? Check
Cries of victimisation? Check
Time to haul out Hofstader's 64 essay, The Paranoid Style in American Politics again, specifically the section called Emulating the Enemy:
The paranoid spokesman sees the fate of conspiracy in apocalyptic terms—he traffics in the birth and death of whole worlds, whole political orders, whole systems of human values. He is always manning the barricades of civilization. He constantly lives at a turning point. Like religious millenialists he expresses the anxiety of those who are living through the last days and he is sometimes disposed to set a date fort the apocalypse.
(snip)
As a member of the avant-garde who is capable of perceiving the conspiracy before it is fully obvious to an as yet unaroused public, the paranoid is a militant leader. He does not see social conflict as something to be mediated and compromised, in the manner of the working politician. Since what is at stake is always a conflict between absolute good and absolute evil, what is necessary is not compromise but the will to fight things out to a finish. Since the enemy is thought of as being totally evil and totally unappeasable, he must be totally eliminated—if not from the world, at least from the theatre of operations to which the paranoid directs his attention. This demand for total triumph leads to the formulation of hopelessly unrealistic goals, and since these goals are not even remotely attainable, failure constantly heightens the paranoid’s sense of frustration. Even partial success leaves him with the same feeling of powerlessness with which he began, and this in turn only strengthens his awareness of the vast and terrifying quality of the enemy he opposes.
The enemy is clearly delineated: he is a perfect model of malice, a kind of amoral superman—sinister, ubiquitous, powerful, cruel, sensual, luxury-loving.
(snip)
The paranoid’s interpretation of history is distinctly personal: decisive events are not taken as part of the stream of history, but as the consequences of someone’s will. Very often the enemy is held to possess some especially effective source of power: he controls the press; he has unlimited funds; he has a new secret for influencing the mind (brainwashing); he has a special technique for seduction (the Catholic confessional).
It is hard to resist the conclusion that this enemy is on many counts the projection of the self; both the ideal and the unacceptable aspects of the self are attributed to him.
The whole essay really captures the Malkin/Beck/wingnut dynamic, IMO
| 652 |
Van Helsing Wed, Sep 2, 2009 9:42:31pm |
re: #642 LudwigVanQuixote
And thanks for the link to the NOAA site.
| 653 |
wee fury Wed, Sep 2, 2009 9:43:24pm |
The talking heads . . .
With their little fits and spittle spewing
Frothing at the mouth and lip chewing
Shouting, crying or looking forlorn
It's all for the ratings folks, please be forewarned.
| 654 |
Killgore Trout Wed, Sep 2, 2009 9:43:34pm |
re: #649 Gus 802
Yeesh. I was thinking the passage of health care reform might be the spark. Maybe it'll happen sooner.
| 655 |
Almost Killed by Space Hookers Wed, Sep 2, 2009 9:43:35pm |
re: #647 Van Helsing
I don't have to, but it just seemed like you were having fun and hanging around, and well...
No excuse from me. Sorry. No biscuit for me.
However, I didn't cherry pick it. They were posted elsewhere. They just piqued my interest. I don't claim to understand them thoroughly. That's why I'm interested to hear your comments on the papers.
I don't think that you personally cherry picked them.
I challenge you to do the following. Go to google scholar - this has a nice index of papers from many many respected journals and archives.
Type in words like sea level rise, or glacier melt in the search. See just how many papers come up and read some of the abstracts.
| 656 |
Almost Killed by Space Hookers Wed, Sep 2, 2009 9:44:10pm |
re: #650 jcm
Evening Honcos,
Ft. Lewis, WA is being hit hard.
9 Fort Lewis Soldiers Killed In Afghanistan In 2 Weeks
Spc. Jonathan D. Welch
Pfc. Jordan M. Brochu
Spc. Tyler R. Walshe
Spc. Troy Orion Tom
Pfc. Jonathan C. Yanney
Cpt. John Hallett III
Cpt. Cory Jenkins
Sgt. 1st Class Ronald Sawyer
Pfc. Dennis Williams
[Video]
Damn.
G-d bless and comfort their families.
| 657 |
SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Sep 2, 2009 9:44:41pm |
re: #648 Bagua
[Link: www.astro.ucla.edu...]
Thank you, I believe in the fires. Have environmentalists actually prevented brush clearing and fire-breaking that should have taken place?
| 658 |
Almost Killed by Space Hookers Wed, Sep 2, 2009 9:45:18pm |
re: #657 SanFranciscoZionist
Thank you, I believe in the fires. Have environmentalists actually prevented brush clearing and fire-breaking that should have taken place?
Of course not.
| 659 |
wee fury Wed, Sep 2, 2009 9:45:26pm |
re: #650 jcm
Deepest sympathy to the family and friends of the fallen.
| 660 |
Van Helsing Wed, Sep 2, 2009 9:46:07pm |
re: #655 LudwigVanQuixote
Thanks. I'll do that.
Tomorrow. Bedtime now.
And seriously, I appreciate the information. I do want to see information from both sides.
| 661 |
yesandno Wed, Sep 2, 2009 9:46:27pm |
re: #650 jcm
Evening Honcos,
Ft. Lewis, WA is being hit hard.
9 Fort Lewis Soldiers Killed In Afghanistan In 2 Weeks
Spc. Jonathan D. Welch
Pfc. Jordan M. Brochu
Spc. Tyler R. Walshe
Spc. Troy Orion Tom
Pfc. Jonathan C. Yanney
Cpt. John Hallett III
Cpt. Cory Jenkins
Sgt. 1st Class Ronald Sawyer
Pfc. Dennis Williams
RIP to these brave souls and our thoughts are with the families.
| 662 |
Gus Wed, Sep 2, 2009 9:46:28pm |
re: #651 iceweasel
The whole essay really captures the Malkin/Beck/wingnut dynamic, IMO
As much as I am a critic of Obama I've been taken aback by the outrageous responses I've been seeing for the past several months. They are out of control and that includes certain media outlets, personalities as well as certain citizens. As you checklist shows and I agree. They have no interest in getting much on facts or putting things in historical perspective (and no to the other readers that does not mean blaming Bush). It is to put things in context.
Did you read some of those comments I just posted from the AR15 site? At first I wasn't sure if this would lead to violence but it's looking like it may turn to that more and more each day.
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Almost Killed by Space Hookers Wed, Sep 2, 2009 9:48:06pm |
re: #652 Van Helsing
And thanks for the link to the NOAA site.
And you are welcome! Seriously, if you want to look into this on your own, do the google scholar search.
If you want background, this site from UCSD is very hard to beat.
[Link: earthguide.ucsd.edu...]
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Bagua Wed, Sep 2, 2009 9:48:18pm |
re: #657 SanFranciscoZionist
Thank you, I believe in the fires. Have environmentalists actually prevented brush clearing and fire-breaking that should have taken place?
Nope, I was making a pun. The smoke is from the back-fires the Firefighters are making to ward off the approaching inferno. Sadly, the towercam was a victim.
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jcm Wed, Sep 2, 2009 9:48:36pm |
re: #657 SanFranciscoZionist
Thank you, I believe in the fires. Have environmentalists actually prevented brush clearing and fire-breaking that should have taken place?
AP: Feds didn't clear brush in wildfire area
Federal authorities failed to follow through on plans earlier this year to burn away highly flammable brush in a forest on the edge of Los Angeles to avoid the very kind of wildfire now raging there, The Associated Press has learned.
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The agency defended its efforts, saying weather, wind and environmental rules tightly limit how often these "prescribed burns" can be conducted.
In the late 70's I spent a summer on a Forest Service thinning crew trying to bring the forest back in a more natural census of tree species and sizes, the goal was to allow selective logging every 70 years or so and let fires burn through naturally.
The project was stopped, lawsuits by environmentalists.
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Van Helsing Wed, Sep 2, 2009 9:49:28pm |
re: #657 SanFranciscoZionist
re: #658 LudwigVanQuixote
To avoid a direct link to AP (which I think I'm supposed to do):Source of quote
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haakondahl Wed, Sep 2, 2009 9:49:33pm |
re: #665 jcm
In the late 70's I spent a summer on a Forest Service thinning crew trying to bring the forest back in a more natural census of tree species and sizes, the goal was to allow selective logging every 70 years or so and let fires burn through naturally.
The project was stopped, lawsuits by environmentalists.
Ah, but those were not *true* environmentalists.
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Gus Wed, Sep 2, 2009 9:49:40pm |
re: #654 Killgore Trout
Yeesh. I was thinking the passage of health care reform might be the spark. Maybe it'll happen sooner.
But you can almost say "yesterday" it was the health care debate. Look at the reaction to the school address. It seems as though every little move he makes is inspiring the extremist factions. Not that I think people should blindy agree but there is a complete lack of decency which has been bordering on violent rhetoric.
At first it started with what he put on his tuna fish sandwiches. Then the pizza thing. Then the ice cream. It's snowballing.
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jordash1212 Wed, Sep 2, 2009 9:50:00pm |
Charles, why do you keep posting this stuff? He's like a small child who pulls these stunts for the attention he gets.
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wee fury Wed, Sep 2, 2009 9:51:42pm |
re: #669 jordash1212
Charles, why do you keep posting this stuff? He's like a small child who pulls these stunts for the attention he gets.
Well . . . for one thing . . . this blog belongs to Charles.
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Sharmuta Wed, Sep 2, 2009 9:51:49pm |
re: #669 jordash1212
Lizards thrive on a diet rich in mockery and Vitamin B12.
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jcm Wed, Sep 2, 2009 9:52:12pm |
re: #667 haakondahl
Ah, but those were not *true* environmentalists.
LOL! No kidding, more frequent lower intensity fires is the way a forest stays healthy.
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Irenicum Wed, Sep 2, 2009 9:52:25pm |
re: #560 Desert Dog
Best reference of the night! May young your updings be endless!
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jaunte Wed, Sep 2, 2009 9:53:30pm |
re: #669 jordash1212
Charles, why do you keep posting this stuff? He's like a small child who pulls these stunts for the attention he gets.
He's a small child with an audience of 2.8 million. Someone should point out when he's over the line.
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Dark_Falcon Wed, Sep 2, 2009 9:54:25pm |
re: #677 jaunte
He's a small child with an audience of 2.8 million. Someone should point out when he's over the line.
Quite Concur.
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Almost Killed by Space Hookers Wed, Sep 2, 2009 9:54:34pm |
night all! And thanks! I do enjoy the chats...
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jcm Wed, Sep 2, 2009 9:55:01pm |
re: #677 jaunte
He's a small child with an audience of 2.8 million. Someone should point out when he's over the line.
Speaking of GB, repost from earlier...
Mount Vernon, WA to award Glenn Beck key to city
The mayor of Mount Vernon has made it official. Mayor Bud Norris says he will give the key to his city to conservative talk show host Glenn Beck on September 26.Norris says Beck will deliver a short talk that night and become the first person to receive a key to the city in the six years Norris has been mayor.
Protesters from the Skagit County Young Democrats walked outside city hall Tuesday with protest signs, one reading "Change the locks!"
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Desert Dog Wed, Sep 2, 2009 9:59:03pm |
re: #674 Irenicum
Best reference of the night! May young your updings be endless!
Park Lane Hilton -Trader Vic's on the ground floor. Right by Speakers Corner and the Marble Arch. I went there as a young lad. No sign of werewolves though. Lot's of American tourists.
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Dark_Falcon Wed, Sep 2, 2009 10:01:58pm |
re: #682 Desert Dog
Park Lane Hilton -Trader Vic's on the ground floor. Right by Speakers Corner and the Marble Arch. I went there as a young lad. No sign of werewolves though. Lot's of American tourists.
Trader Vic's is a great place. Chicago's branch was located in the Palmer House (though it has since moved). It was a favorite of my family for a good many years.
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jcm Wed, Sep 2, 2009 10:02:52pm |
La Canada Flintridge Station Fire Time-lapse video 08 28 2009 - 24 hrs compressed to 6 min
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The Left Wed, Sep 2, 2009 10:06:36pm |
re: #662 Gus 802
As much as I am a critic of Obama I've been taken aback by the outrageous responses I've been seeing for the past several months. They are out of control and that includes certain media outlets, personalities as well as certain citizens. As you checklist shows and I agree. They have no interest in getting much on facts or putting things in historical perspective (and no to the other readers that does not mean blaming Bush). It is to put things in context.
Did you read some of those comments I just posted from the AR15 site? At first I wasn't sure if this would lead to violence but it's looking like it may turn to that more and more each day.
I did. It's really scary.
I strongly recommend the hofstader piece to those who are not familiar with it. It's been a staple reference on the left for the last two years, and I've posted it here before. It only gets more timely.
And notice too that the essay was written in part as a response to the John Birch society-- and as Charles and others have been pointing out, they're back and people like Beck are mainstreaming them.
I'll quote and update this one part again:
Very often the enemy is held to possess some especially effective source of power: he controls the press (liberal media much?); he has unlimited funds (Soros, ACORN, Annenberg, etc); he has a new secret for influencing the mind (Obama brainwashing, Obama hypnosis, FEMA reeducation camps); he has a special technique for seduction (Addressing school children, press conferences, grass roots activism, email rapid response, Organising for America...)
the paranoid style is ever-fresh, and is certainly in fullflower now.
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solomonpanting Wed, Sep 2, 2009 10:08:31pm |
He knows the new restrictions. He knows the new limits. He may even suggest to his interrogators that their jobs are on the line -- that the Justice Department is looking over their shoulders. The tape is running. Everything is being recorded. He is willing to give up his life. Are his interrogators willing to give up their careers? He laughs.
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Gus Wed, Sep 2, 2009 10:13:37pm |
re: #685 iceweasel
the paranoid style is ever-fresh, and is certainly in fullflower now.
New phrase: The Paranoid-Industrial-Complex. /
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The Left Wed, Sep 2, 2009 10:14:12pm |
More from the paranoid style: sound familiar? But this was written in 1964 about the John Birch society and the like:
But the modern right wing, as Daniel Bell has put it, feels dispossessed: America has been largely taken away from them and their kind, though they are determined to try to repossess it and to prevent the final destructive act of subversion. The old American virtues have already been eaten away by cosmopolitans and intellectuals; the old competitive capitalism has been gradually undermined by socialistic and communistic schemers; the old national security and independence have been destroyed by treasonous plots, having as their most powerful agents not merely outsiders and foreigners as of old but major statesmen who are at the very centers of American power. Their predecessors had discovered conspiracies; the modern radical right finds conspiracy to be betrayal from on high.
And now we have people saying the POTUS is a Kenyan socialist who isn't American. Everything old is new again!
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haakondahl Wed, Sep 2, 2009 10:16:21pm |
re: #688 iceweasel
More from the paranoid style: sound familiar? But this was written in 1964 about the John Birch society and the like:
And now we have people saying the POTUS is a Kenyan socialist who isn't American. Everything old is new again!
I'm not arguing your valid points, but we did just sit through eight years of this from the left as well. It's a real problem, but it's not a problem of the right. It's a problem everywhere.
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Desert Dog Wed, Sep 2, 2009 10:17:43pm |
re: #685 iceweasel
I don't agree with the JBS or these other extremists on much if anything at all. I am a rightwinger though. I see a change in direction in this country that disturbs me. Obama got 52% of the vote and he is acting like he got 100%. There is a reason we are seeing an uptick in these paranoid types. Your beloved President Obama is scaring the sh*t out of them. They are not popping up like weeds in June out of thin air.
In the past year we have seen things that most Americans could not or would not believe could happen here in the USA. An economy that has tanked, unemployment reaching Great Depression era levels and an out of control spend happy Federal Government, government takeovers and bailouts of entire sectors of the economy, etc.
Not to make excuses for the loonies and other assorted nutjobs that are suddenly appearing, but the current direction and state of the economy has people scared, angry, anxious and unsure of the future. I would say some of that is justified. I am not ready to sign on to the craziness, but I am ready to get more involved than I ever have to defeat the Democrats and President Obama's agenda anywhere and everywhere I can.
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The Left Wed, Sep 2, 2009 10:18:09pm |
re: #689 haakondahl
I'm not arguing your valid points, but we did just sit through eight years of this from the left as well. It's a real problem, but it's not a problem of the right. It's a problem everywhere.
It wasn't mainstreamed on the left the way it is now on the right.
the left does have its own paranoid style, thought.
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Desert Dog Wed, Sep 2, 2009 10:19:29pm |
re: #688 iceweasel
More from the paranoid style: sound familiar? But this was written in 1964 about the John Birch society and the like:
And now we have people saying the POTUS is a Kenyan socialist who isn't American. Everything old is new again!
He is not a Kenyan Socialist, but he is certainly an Kenyan-American Keynesian
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ArchangelMichael Wed, Sep 2, 2009 10:19:44pm |
re: #657 SanFranciscoZionist
Thank you, I believe in the fires. Have environmentalists actually prevented brush clearing and fire-breaking that should have taken place?
A couple of different sources that make this claim but I don't know how trustworthy either of them is.
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Desert Dog Wed, Sep 2, 2009 10:20:15pm |
re: #691 iceweasel
It wasn't mainstreamed on the left the way it is now on the right.
the left does have its own paranoid style, thought.
The paranoia perhaps...the crazies? The left has plenty of that.
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The Left Wed, Sep 2, 2009 10:21:31pm |
re: #690 Desert Dog
IMO we would have seen a lot of ugliness and fear in the national mood anyway, regardless of who won, because of the economic collapse. There still would have been a lot of unease, a lot of anger, a lot of fear.
The election of the first black POTUS and the mainstreaming of irrational rhetoric is also churning out a lot of stuff though. There wouldn't have been a similar nirther movement about McCain, for example.
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The Left Wed, Sep 2, 2009 10:22:08pm |
re: #694 Desert Dog
The paranoia perhaps...the crazies? The left has plenty of that.
yeah, crazy is rather liberally (heh) distributed all over, for sure.
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Gus Wed, Sep 2, 2009 10:22:12pm |
re: #689 haakondahl
I'm not arguing your valid points, but we did just sit through eight years of this from the left as well. It's a real problem, but it's not a problem of the right. It's a problem everywhere.
True, there are similarities on the left. But right now we are dealing with this and it is coming from the right. However, I might add but there are some elements of the left working its way into the kookosphere. I would also add that we didn't see such an organized front this early into Bush's tenure.
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haakondahl Wed, Sep 2, 2009 10:23:21pm |
re: #690 Desert Dog
I don't agree with the JBS or these other extremists on much if anything at all. I am a rightwinger though. I see a change in direction in this country that disturbs me. Obama got 52% of the vote and he is acting like he got 100%. There is a reason we are seeing an uptick in these paranoid types. Your beloved President Obama is scaring the sh*t out of them. They are not popping up like weeds in June out of thin air.
In the past year we have seen things that most Americans could not or would not believe could happen here in the USA. An economy that has tanked, unemployment reaching Great Depression era levels and an out of control spend happy Federal Government, government takeovers and bailouts of entire sectors of the economy, etc.
Not to make excuses for the loonies and other assorted nutjobs that are suddenly appearing, but the current direction and state of the economy has people scared, angry, anxious and unsure of the future. I would say some of that is justified. I am not ready to sign on to the craziness, but I am ready to get more involved than I ever have to defeat the Democrats and President Obama's agenda anywhere and everywhere I can.
The President is 100% President, and all the wailing about mandate vs. squeaker doesn't concern me much; didn't for Bush either. We have one President at a time.
I don't much like his team, his policies, or his team's ideas for the future of the country. Here is the key: I do think that some of these things wind up as a danger to the country, but kookiness and violence are a far greater danger, so I would come down on the President's side if push came to shove.
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Irenicum Wed, Sep 2, 2009 10:24:40pm |
re: #571 Alouette
I hate to admit it (not really), but I love Swan Lake, and the Bolshoi Ballet's rendition of it. The system behind this performance was hideous, but I love classical music and I always loved the Bolshoi Ballet. It was nothing short of magnificent. Even though this thread was meant to be a parody of political art, I happen to love Russian artists, whether of the Soviet variety or the refusnik variety. They each sought to "do their art" in the circumstances they found themselves in. Artists, to me, are many times the best expression of our soul's longings out there. They see what's not readily available to the naked eye. Now I do know that an artist can sell his or her soul to the state (or whatever) in order to get a paycheck, and that's an abomination to their art. As a Christian I think of Thomas Kinkade and his whorish art that sells but is esthetically extremely offensive to me as someone who knows just a little about what art really is. Graphic art is the tension in the commercial world that every fine artist struggles with when they decide they don't want to starve to death. Do you sell out in order to sell, or do you sell little in order to remain true to your vision as an artist? Since artistic expression is so personal, every artist must make that decision individually.
Hey, this post is becoming its' own thread at this point. So I'll just finish my rant with: artists see things from an angle that's slightly askew, and that's a good thing. G'nite!
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ArchangelMichael Wed, Sep 2, 2009 10:26:15pm |
re: #691 iceweasel
It wasn't mainstreamed on the left the way it is now on the right.
the left does have its own paranoid style, thought.
It was clearly a mainstream belief among Democrats that the 2000 election was "stolen". Only the kooks believed that 2004 was stolen too.
Out and out trooferism was never mainstreamed beyond far left kooks and tin foil hat wearing libertarians, but a lot of the average democrats on the street were "open minded" to the idea, and stated things like, "I don't believe it was an inside job BUT... (insert some claim of not being told the whole truth here)."
Just about everyone to the left of Reagan that I knew (which is about everyone I know save about 5 people), fell into both of these categories so I think your claims that asinine BDS was not "mainstream" fall short.
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Gus Wed, Sep 2, 2009 10:26:24pm |
re: #698 haakondahl
The President is 100% President, and all the wailing about mandate vs. squeaker doesn't concern me much; didn't for Bush either. We have one President at a time.
I don't much like his team, his policies, or his team's ideas for the future of the country. Here is the key: I do think that some of these things wind up as a danger to the country, but kookiness and violence are a far greater danger, so I would come down on the President's side if push came to shove.
That's a big motivating factor to my opposition to this madness and the like of Beck. If allowed to go unchecked, they would prove to be the greater danger.
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haakondahl Wed, Sep 2, 2009 10:26:52pm |
re: #691 iceweasel
It wasn't mainstreamed on the left the way it is now on the right.
the left does have its own paranoid style, thought.
I think that part of this (I suspect we will differ here) is due to the "pressure relief" offered by the MSM to the left. When you have the national media in the tank for you, perhaps the reasonable are less motivated to get kooky.
This is important: If the only place you see your own views discussed is with crazy people, you will probably join them. I don't want to cry "victim", but I think that this has something to do with the difference in styles between the left crazy and the right crazy.
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Desert Dog Wed, Sep 2, 2009 10:27:05pm |
re: #695 iceweasel
IMO we would have seen a lot of ugliness and fear in the national mood anyway, regardless of who won, because of the economic collapse. There still would have been a lot of unease, a lot of anger, a lot of fear.
The election of the first black POTUS and the mainstreaming of irrational rhetoric is also churning out a lot of stuff though. There wouldn't have been a similar nirther movement about McCain, for example.
The "Black" angle is exaggerated. I think there is a very, very small group of people that have a problem with Obama's race. As far as McCain and the nirthers, that would not be a problem, because McCain was very forthright with his past. He released records about his health, his military service, his Naval Academy record and even his birth certificate.
Part of the problem with Obama is his reluctance to release information about his past. I don't doubt he was born in Hawaii. But, that is not the point, he has been quite secretive in his protection of his past. That makes some people think he is hiding something.
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The Left Wed, Sep 2, 2009 10:30:18pm |
re: #700 ArchangelMichael
It was clearly a mainstream belief among Democrats that the 2000 election was "stolen". Only the kooks believed that 2004 was stolen too.
Out and out trooferism was never mainstreamed beyond far left kooks and tin foil hat wearing libertarians, but a lot of the average democrats on the street were "open minded" to the idea, and stated things like, "I don't believe it was an inside job BUT... (insert some claim of not being told the whole truth here)."
Just about everyone to the left of Reagan that I knew (which is about everyone I know save about 5 people), fell into both of these categories so I think your claims that asinine BDS was not "mainstream" fall short.
Well-- there we're going to disagree, I'm afraid. The infamous Rasmussen poll for example showing that a high percentage of Dems believed Bush had some advance knowledge of the attacks-- there's a sane way and an insane way to read that. The troofers believed he was in on it. The sane people who answered yes meant something like "there was a memo prepared that said "Bin Laden determined to attack inside US".
The kind of BDS that was mainstream wasn't like this, and as Gus correctly notes, didn't really arise in any kind of organised fashion til later.
We can agree neither is good for the country, and that what's going on now is worrisome, so that's good.
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Desert Dog Wed, Sep 2, 2009 10:31:08pm |
re: #698 haakondahl
The President is 100% President, and all the wailing about mandate vs. squeaker doesn't concern me much; didn't for Bush either. We have one President at a time.
I don't much like his team, his policies, or his team's ideas for the future of the country. Here is the key: I do think that some of these things wind up as a danger to the country, but kookiness and violence are a far greater danger, so I would come down on the President's side if push came to shove.
If Bush attempted what Obama has, there would be an outcry and tidal wave of complaints from the left that would dwarf what we have seen from the right so far. Obama is the President...he is my President right now. He can steer this ship of state anywhere he wants. But, if he hits icebergs, he better go down with the ship.
Mandates are important. It appears the country does not favor the type of medical care the President is pushing for. Should he do what he wants anyway? He can, but he should be prepared for the pushback from the populace.
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haakondahl Wed, Sep 2, 2009 10:31:16pm |
re: #703 Desert Dog
The "Black" angle is exaggerated. I think there is a very, very small group of people that have a problem with Obama's race. As far as McCain and the nirthers, that would not be a problem, because McCain was very forthright with his past. He released records about his health, his military service, his Naval Academy record and even his birth certificate.
Part of the problem with Obama is his reluctance to release information about his past. I don't doubt he was born in Hawaii. But, that is not the point, he has been quite secretive in his protection of his past. That makes some people think he is hiding something.
Agreed that there are some racist crazies out there causing trouble as well. But not a single one of them has done as much harm as the national drumbeat of "If you oppose Obama, you're a racist".
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Gretchen G.Tiger Wed, Sep 2, 2009 10:31:34pm |
Hey Night Lizards!
Can one do the Rockefella Boogie after dark?
or in bed?
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solomonpanting Wed, Sep 2, 2009 10:32:06pm |
re: #698 haakondahl
I don't much like his team, his policies, or his team's ideas for the future of the country. Here is the key: I do think that some of these things wind up as a danger to the country, but kookiness and violence are a far greater danger
Let's see here:
A few crazies making a scene at townhalls or an Administration's policies that could drastically alter the social and economic makeup of a country for generations. Door number two.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Wed, Sep 2, 2009 10:32:14pm |
I forgot.
How are you-all and what are we talking about?
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realwest Wed, Sep 2, 2009 10:32:20pm |
re: #697 Gus 802
True, there are similarities on the left. But right now we are dealing with this and it is coming from the right. However, I might add but there are some elements of the left working its way into the kookosphere. I would also add that we didn't see such an organized front this early into Bush's tenure.
We didn't? Have you forgotten Moveon.org? Formed during Clinton's years in the White House, they ran that, jusifiably infamous, ad comparing Bush to Hitler.
Face it, loony-tunes are loony-tunes and it only matters to me now because the far left seems to have taken over the Democratic Party, as opposed to simply being a part of the Democratic Party.
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Dancing along the light of day Wed, Sep 2, 2009 10:32:23pm |
re: #695 iceweasel
I also believe that a lot of the "krazieness" is being fed from the 24/7 "news" cycles. Whether internet or TV. Once upon a time, it was likely that this kind of thing wasn't constant, or was at least intermittent. Now it can be never ending. I do not think that is a good thing, or healthy for society.
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Gus Wed, Sep 2, 2009 10:33:10pm |
re: #711 realwest
We didn't? Have you forgotten Moveon.org? Formed during Clinton's years in the White House, they ran that, jusifiably infamous, ad comparing Bush to Hitler.
Face it, loony-tunes are loony-tunes and it only matters to me now because the far left seems to have taken over the Democratic Party, as opposed to simply being a part of the Democratic Party.
I meant by or on September 1st 2000. That came later.
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Cato the Elder Wed, Sep 2, 2009 10:33:52pm |
Well, goodbye until next week, everyone. I'm off to my retreat in New England.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Wed, Sep 2, 2009 10:34:02pm |
I've run out of books to listen to on my iPod and my audible credits do not renew until the 14th.
Lizards, I have a few days until that happens. I know I could download podcasts for free, but I am craving fiction. I got it bad. Should I breakdown and (gasp) pay for a book?
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Desert Dog Wed, Sep 2, 2009 10:36:05pm |
re: #712 Floral Giraffe
I also believe that a lot of the "krazieness" is being fed from the 24/7 "news" cycles. Whether internet or TV. Once upon a time, it was likely that this kind of thing wasn't constant, or was at least intermittent. Now it can be never ending. I do not think that is a good thing, or healthy for society.
I think that is spot on. The "gotcha" mentality, on both sides, has not helped either. It only helps the two sides constantly demonize one another.
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Sharmuta Wed, Sep 2, 2009 10:36:22pm |
re: #715 Cato the Elder
Well, goodbye until next week, everyone. I'm off to my retreat in New England.
Ah-ha! So you're cheating on your Palin pledge- you won't even be here! ;)
/have fun!
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Desert Dog Wed, Sep 2, 2009 10:36:28pm |
re: #715 Cato the Elder
Well, goodbye until next week, everyone. I'm off to my retreat in New England.
Have fun Cato and enjoy yourself!
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Dancing along the light of day Wed, Sep 2, 2009 10:36:40pm |
re: #711 realwest
*smoochies*
Hi realwest! How are you, my friend?
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Gus Wed, Sep 2, 2009 10:36:40pm |
re: #711 realwest
We didn't? Have you forgotten Moveon.org? Formed during Clinton's years in the White House, they ran that, jusifiably infamous, ad comparing Bush to Hitler.
Face it, loony-tunes are loony-tunes and it only matters to me now because the far left seems to have taken over the Democratic Party, as opposed to simply being a part of the Democratic Party.
But more on that. What about the Blue Dog Dems putting up a great deal of portions to HR 3200? What about the removal of the single payer portion of HR 3200 and the so called "death panels?" Even the removal of a certain question from Schoolgate?
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Dancing along the light of day Wed, Sep 2, 2009 10:37:23pm |
re: #715 Cato the Elder
Retreat well, and enjoy!
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The Left Wed, Sep 2, 2009 10:38:32pm |
re: #701 Gus 802
That's a big motivating factor to my opposition to this madness and the like of Beck. If allowed to go unchecked, they would prove to be the greater danger.
Yes, me too. It's the violence and the threat of violence.
re: #703 Desert Dog
The "Black" angle is exaggerated. I think there is a very, very small group of people that have a problem with Obama's race.
I can't agree with you. Recruitment to white supremacist groups has exploded. Hate group activity has too. Obama started getting USSS protection earlier than any candidate in history because of an unprecedented level of threats. SPLC has documented all that.
And the claim that Obama hasnt been forthcoming about his past doesn't fly with me. The guy already has 2 autobiographies and he's not even 50.
re: #702 haakondahl
That's interesting and probably plays some role. The progressives think the media is biased against us, btw. The media really only care about keeping their cushy jobs, their access to power, their party invites, and doing the shittiest possible job of reporting, no matter who is in office.
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Gus Wed, Sep 2, 2009 10:38:41pm |
re: #712 Floral Giraffe
I also believe that a lot of the "krazieness" is being fed from the 24/7 "news" cycles. Whether internet or TV. Once upon a time, it was likely that this kind of thing wasn't constant, or was at least intermittent. Now it can be never ending. I do not think that is a good thing, or healthy for society.
True. I keep promising myself to take a week off from this.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Wed, Sep 2, 2009 10:38:42pm |
re: #717 Desert Dog
I think that is spot on. The "gotcha" mentality, on both sides, has not helped either. It only helps the two sides constantly demonize one another.
absolutely, it's all about ratings --selling the product. New is entertainment these days.
| 726 |
realwest Wed, Sep 2, 2009 10:39:10pm |
re: #713 Gus 802
That ad came later but moveon.org started waay before that and I haven't forgotten the Lefts viscious attacks on Bush for Florida in 2000 - they only wanted a recount in counties where the Democrats ran the election apparatus and thought they should have received more votes from about five or six areas. Bush said ok, but let's recount the whole state.
And for how long did the misreporting of the US Supreme Court last on that one?
You simply can't have it one way Gus and I'm surprised you're even trying to. The Left Loonies and the Right Loonies have always been there, it's just that NOW the Left Loonies are running our government - Pelosi being the Poster Woman for that one.
| 727 |
Dark_Falcon Wed, Sep 2, 2009 10:39:13pm |
re: #715 Cato the Elder
Well, goodbye until next week, everyone. I'm off to my retreat in New England.
Have fun Cato!
| 728 |
Dancing along the light of day Wed, Sep 2, 2009 10:39:56pm |
re: #716 ggt
Ever tried the library? LOL!
| 729 |
Gus Wed, Sep 2, 2009 10:40:09pm |
re: #726 realwest
That ad came later but moveon.org started waay before that and I haven't forgotten the Lefts viscious attacks on Bush for Florida in 2000 - they only wanted a recount in counties where the Democrats ran the election apparatus and thought they should have received more votes from about five or six areas. Bush said ok, but let's recount the whole state.
And for how long did the misreporting of the US Supreme Court last on that one?
You simply can't have it one way Gus and I'm surprised you're even trying to. The Left Loonies and the Right Loonies have always been there, it's just that NOW the Left Loonies are running our government - Pelosi being the Poster Woman for that one.
OK It's late and you're right. The 2000 election and the "Bush stole the election" thing.
| 730 |
RememberSekhmet? Wed, Sep 2, 2009 10:40:22pm |
Beck is a nutzoid. He's got a right to be a nutzoid, but he's a nutzoid.
I wonder if the 0bama Administration decided to focus on Beck instead of Rush, because Rush is a pretty reasonable guy. If you want to increase the listenership of someone, why not a nut instead of a reasonable and persuasive guy?
All the same, it bothers me that an Administration is even on the same planet as the idea of officially trying to "do something" about any broadcasters. The nuts will self-LART, and the reasonable ones will be left in the marketplace of ideas.
| 731 |
Dark_Falcon Wed, Sep 2, 2009 10:40:49pm |
re: #726 realwest
That ad came later but moveon.org started waay before that and I haven't forgotten the Lefts viscious attacks on Bush for Florida in 2000 - they only wanted a recount in counties where the Democrats ran the election apparatus and thought they should have received more votes from about five or six areas. Bush said ok, but let's recount the whole state.
And for how long did the misreporting of the US Supreme Court last on that one?
You simply can't have it one way Gus and I'm surprised you're even trying to. The Left Loonies and the Right Loonies have always been there, it's just that NOW the Left Loonies are running our government - Pelosi being the Poster Woman for that one.
Quite Concur. Pelosi is a moonbat, and she's the Speaker. Bad times.
| 732 |
Sharmuta Wed, Sep 2, 2009 10:40:58pm |
re: #716 ggt
Get a book! I'm currently reading Why Darwin Matters.
| 734 |
Sharmuta Wed, Sep 2, 2009 10:41:40pm |
re: #730 RememberSekhmet?
The administration isn't doing anything to Glnn Bck.
| 735 |
Dancing along the light of day Wed, Sep 2, 2009 10:41:41pm |
re: #718 Sharmuta
Ah-ha! So you're cheating on your Palin pledge- you won't even be here! ;)
/have fun!
Can we extend his timeline???
| 736 |
The Left Wed, Sep 2, 2009 10:42:33pm |
re: #721 Gus 802
But more on that. What about the Blue Dog Dems putting up a great deal of portions to HR 3200? What about the removal of the single payer portion of HR 3200 and the so called "death panels?" Even the removal of a certain question from Schoolgate?
Exactly, Gus. Well said.
| 737 |
realwest Wed, Sep 2, 2009 10:42:41pm |
re: #720 Floral Giraffe
Hey Floral Giraffe - *smoochies* back to you - right now I'm feeling quite poorly physically and am mentally anguished over all the damn name-calling and rationalizations coming from both sides of the political spectrum, but the Right hasn't had loonies in office - including "czars" the way the Left has.
The combination of physical illness and mental anger isn't doing me any good at all.
| 738 |
Gretchen G.Tiger Wed, Sep 2, 2009 10:43:13pm |
re: #728 Floral Giraffe
Ever tried the library? LOL!
I need to download to my iPod. I listen everywhere and anytime I can. iPod fits in my purse--so the old tapes and CD's don't work so well.
| 739 |
Gus Wed, Sep 2, 2009 10:43:34pm |
re: #736 iceweasel
Exactly, Gus. Well said.
Thanks. We were actually applauding the Blue Dogs here at LGF last month. Don't remember in which article but it might have been the LNDT.
| 740 |
Sharmuta Wed, Sep 2, 2009 10:43:37pm |
re: #735 Floral Giraffe
I predict the number of people snarking about Cato/Palin will remain the same, if not go higher, in his absence.
| 741 |
Desert Dog Wed, Sep 2, 2009 10:44:17pm |
re: #734 Sharmuta
The administration isn't doing anything to Glnn Bck.
I disagree...he is the fuel Beck is using to get his "fanbase" all frothy and riled up. Obama is like dilithium crystals to these loonies...just like Bush was to the moonbats.
| 742 |
The Left Wed, Sep 2, 2009 10:44:20pm |
re: #712 Floral Giraffe
I also believe that a lot of the "krazieness" is being fed from the 24/7 "news" cycles. Whether internet or TV. Once upon a time, it was likely that this kind of thing wasn't constant, or was at least intermittent. Now it can be never ending. I do not think that is a good thing, or healthy for society.
ABSOLUTELY. Could not agree more. It's also fed the general vacuousness of the media-- it's all about a rush to dominate the news cycle, to be firstest and loudest with the mostest, no matter how poorly sourced, shallow, or down right nutty.
| 743 |
realwest Wed, Sep 2, 2009 10:44:30pm |
Anyway I'm outta here now, gotta get some sleep. Hope you all have a great evening/early morning and that I get the chance to see you all down the road.
Good night, all.
| 744 |
Gretchen G.Tiger Wed, Sep 2, 2009 10:44:31pm |
re: #732 Sharmuta
Get a book! I'm currently reading Why Darwin Matters.
Can't multi-task or drive while reading an actual book. Which I have plenty. I can't stand radio in the car anymore. I listen anytime I can. I'm an audiophile. Yes, I admit it.
| 745 |
Sharmuta Wed, Sep 2, 2009 10:44:34pm |
re: #737 realwest
Hey Floral Giraffe - *smoochies* back to you - right now I'm feeling quite poorly physically and am mentally anguished over all the damn name-calling and rationalizations coming from both sides of the political spectrum, but the Right hasn't had loonies in office - including "czars" the way the Left has.
The combination of physical illness and mental anger isn't doing me any good at all.
You mean except for creationists?
| 746 |
Dark_Falcon Wed, Sep 2, 2009 10:44:55pm |
re: #743 realwest
Anyway I'm outta here now, gotta get some sleep. Hope you all have a great evening/early morning and that I get the chance to see you all down the road.
Good night, all.
Sleep well, RW. Feel better.
| 747 |
Gus Wed, Sep 2, 2009 10:45:03pm |
re: #743 realwest
Anyway I'm outta here now, gotta get some sleep. Hope you all have a great evening/early morning and that I get the chance to see you all down the road.
Good night, all.
Later RW. Sorry about the time line mix-up.
| 748 |
Desert Dog Wed, Sep 2, 2009 10:45:09pm |
re: #740 Sharmuta
I predict the number of people snarking about Cato/Palin will remain the same, if not go higher, in his absence.
We cannot resist it
| 749 |
shiplord kirel Wed, Sep 2, 2009 10:45:30pm |
Getting her late as usual.
This is just another example of socialist hippies and NEA droids attempting to smear the entire right with an absurd parody of a conservative commentator as a crazy person who finds commies and fascists under every bed and beside every streetlamp. Why it's positively sill---
What?
It's not a parody?
Shazzam!
| 750 |
Sharmuta Wed, Sep 2, 2009 10:45:38pm |
re: #741 Desert Dog
I disagree...he is the fuel Beck is using to get his "fanbase" all frothy and riled up. Obama is like dilithium crystals to these loonies...just like Bush was to the moonbats.
OK- but that was not the context I was getting from 'RememberSekhmet?'.
| 751 |
The Left Wed, Sep 2, 2009 10:45:49pm |
re: #731 Dark_Falcon
Quite Concur. Pelosi is a moonbat, and she's the Speaker. Bad times.
Can't stand Pelosi. Or Reid.
| 752 |
Irenicum Wed, Sep 2, 2009 10:46:39pm |
re: #703 Desert Dog
Please don't go there. The "black thing" has "only" a 400 year history. I grew up in a lily white neighborhood that no black would EVER consider walking through. Both they and we knew better. My parents entertained a couple right around the time of my birth (my father was a college prof) and right after the couple left, our next door neighbors came over, panic stricken, over whether we were "block busting." That was forty five years ago to be sure. Things are so much different now? I always hope so. In these days I sometimes wonder. My prayer is that the dividing walls of hostility will eventually fall down. That's actually WHY I'm going on to seminary. I believe that Christ has called us to a better way.
| 753 |
haakondahl Wed, Sep 2, 2009 10:46:45pm |
re: #708 solomonpanting
Let's see here:
A few crazies making a scene at townhalls or an Administration's policies that could drastically alter the social and economic makeup of a country for generations. Door number two.
Not quite. I don't have a problem with most of what we've seen from townhalls. Showing up packing heat is stupid and a publicity stunt, but not illegal. Shouting and carrying ugly signs are not illegal, but don't help much.
The "hurry hurry" process for this bill is deeply insulting, and a clear indicator that it won't survive scrutiny. This sort of legislative jamdown is government by fiat, no matter how many legislators sign on. I opposed it for the McCain-Kennedy amnesty bill, and I oppose it now. This is a breach of trust between the government and the people (who are supposed to be one and the same, so what's the hurry?) severe enough to warrant some unpleasant townhall meetings.
But this stuff gets worse than the original problem too quickly. I know folks here don't care for it, but I thought that Senator Inhofe's comment about revolution was completely intended (and received) as a warning, not as code to rise up. There are real dangers associated with going outside the bounds of political discourse.
Things change quickly when they change at all. We view our system as the rock of permanence, but this system like any complex dynamic system is subject to instability. Much like the leftists who agitate to "bring it all down", the people on the right who agitate to "take back the country" can do more harm than even they realize, and with a rapidity that would make great reading in history books.
| 754 |
Desert Dog Wed, Sep 2, 2009 10:46:58pm |
Goodnight all...thanks for the mental gymnastics...I need this place to keep sane in this insane world
| 755 |
Gretchen G.Tiger Wed, Sep 2, 2009 10:47:11pm |
I've got some $10 and under books in my wish list, I could splurge on a couple of those . . .
| 756 |
Gus Wed, Sep 2, 2009 10:47:47pm |
re: #754 Desert Dog
Goodnight all...thanks for the mental gymnastics...I need this place to keep sane in this insane world
Mental gymnastics? So that's what that feeling was that I just had. Whew.
Later.
| 757 |
haakondahl Wed, Sep 2, 2009 10:48:05pm |
| 758 |
Syrah Wed, Sep 2, 2009 10:48:35pm |
re: #737 realwest
Hey Floral Giraffe - *smoochies* back to you - right now I'm feeling quite poorly physically and am mentally anguished over all the damn name-calling and rationalizations coming from both sides of the political spectrum, but the Right hasn't had loonies in office - including "czars" the way the Left has.
The combination of physical illness and mental anger isn't doing me any good at all.
Sometimes it is important to take a break.
When you are feeling better, step back into the fray. It will still be there.
| 759 |
Silvergirl Wed, Sep 2, 2009 10:48:40pm |
I haven't been keeping up with the new Japanese prime minister, but I hadn't realized the First Couple of Japan were such interesting people. It's posted in the links on the front page.
Miyuki Hatoyama, wife of Japan's Prime Minister-elect, Yukio Hatoyama, is a lifestyle guru, a macrobiotics enthusiast, an author of cookery books, a retired actress, a divorcee, and a fearless clothes horse for garments of her own creation, including a skirt made from Hawaiian coffee sacks. But there is more, much more. She has travelled to the planet Venus. And she was once abducted by aliens.
The 62-year-old also knew Tom Cruise in a former incarnation – when he was Japanese – and is now looking forward to making a Hollywood movie with him.
| 760 |
Gretchen G.Tiger Wed, Sep 2, 2009 10:48:43pm |
re: #752 Irenicum
Please don't go there. The "black thing" has "only" a 400 year history. I grew up in a lily white neighborhood that no black would EVER consider walking through. Both they and we knew better. My parents entertained a couple right around the time of my birth (my father was a college prof) and right after the couple left, our next door neighbors came over, panic stricken, over whether we were "block busting." That was forty five years ago to be sure. Things are so much different now? I always hope so. In these days I sometimes wonder. My prayer is that the dividing walls of hostility will eventually fall down. That's actually WHY I'm going on to seminary. I believe that Christ has called us to a better way.
I grew up in one of those neighborhoods --in the Detroit area. If we saw a black person who was not obviously a cleaning lady, we called the police. NO JOKE! And they came.
So horrible to think we lived that way.
| 761 |
Dancing along the light of day Wed, Sep 2, 2009 10:48:57pm |
re: #737 realwest
{{rw}} You just put this unimportant *stuff* right out of your head.
Sleep tight & don't let the bedbugs bite!
| 762 |
haakondahl Wed, Sep 2, 2009 10:49:22pm |
| 763 |
Sharmuta Wed, Sep 2, 2009 10:50:46pm |
re: #755 ggt
I've got some $10 and under books in my wish list, I could splurge on a couple of those . . .
Go for it! I understand the multi-tasking thing, but a few actual books here and there will be good. In fact- you should sprinkle a few in during the month so you don't run out of audio books. Maybe books for home, and audio books for travel?
| 764 |
Dark_Falcon Wed, Sep 2, 2009 10:51:08pm |
| 765 |
haakondahl Wed, Sep 2, 2009 10:52:00pm |
re: #742 iceweasel
ABSOLUTELY. Could not agree more. It's also fed the general vacuousness of the media-- it's all about a rush to dominate the news cycle, to be firstest and loudest with the mostest, no matter how poorly sourced, shallow, or down right nutty.
I'll certainly agree that this has a bad effect on both sides.
| 766 |
Desert Dog Wed, Sep 2, 2009 10:52:06pm |
re: #752 Irenicum
Please don't go there. The "black thing" has "only" a 400 year history. I grew up in a lily white neighborhood that no black would EVER consider walking through. Both they and we knew better. My parents entertained a couple right around the time of my birth (my father was a college prof) and right after the couple left, our next door neighbors came over, panic stricken, over whether we were "block busting." That was forty five years ago to be sure. Things are so much different now? I always hope so. In these days I sometimes wonder. My prayer is that the dividing walls of hostility will eventually fall down. That's actually WHY I'm going on to seminary. I believe that Christ has called us to a better way.
One more before bed...
My point was that IMHO, this country has moved very far on the matters of race relations. I get the feeling from your post that you do not feel this way. I can only speak for myself and what I see. I think we are getting closer everyday to being a truly colorblind society. Are we there yet? No. Will we ever get there? I think so...and sooner than you would think too.
We have some narrow minded hate filled people out there still obsessing over race. I hope they let it go of that one day. We are really all just human beings when you strip away the exteriors, not white or black or brown.
| 767 |
Silvergirl Wed, Sep 2, 2009 10:53:47pm |
re: #715 Cato the Elder
Well, goodbye until next week, everyone. I'm off to my retreat in New England.
Godspeed.
| 768 |
Sharmuta Wed, Sep 2, 2009 10:54:22pm |
re: #753 haakondahl
See, Darlin'- that's just it. The "take back our country" crowd is no different than the "tear it down" crowd. They're both lacking the constrained vision, and are therefore part of the same problem.
To tell the truth- I was hoping more folks reading A Conflict of Visions would pick up on the unconstrained right. Not saying those who have or are reading the book don't, but I do feel at times to be alone on this point.
| 769 |
solomonpanting Wed, Sep 2, 2009 10:55:03pm |
re: #753 haakondahl
Any outbreak would engender a response that would make Waco look like a weenie roast.
| 770 |
Irenicum Wed, Sep 2, 2009 10:55:17pm |
re: #715 Cato the Elder
Since I'm heading out there myself, have a great time! We'll have to do coffee.
| 771 |
Dancing along the light of day Wed, Sep 2, 2009 10:56:18pm |
re: #759 Silvergirl
Did you see the piece linked on Drudge? She claims to have been abducted by aliens one night...
[Link: www.independent.co.uk...]
Cue the Twilight Zone music...
| 772 |
haakondahl Wed, Sep 2, 2009 10:56:37pm |
re: #740 Sharmuta
I predict the number of people snarking about Cato/Palin will remain the same, if not go higher, in his absence.
Who?
| 773 |
Gretchen G.Tiger Wed, Sep 2, 2009 10:56:38pm |
re: #763 Sharmuta
Go for it! I understand the multi-tasking thing, but a few actual books here and there will be good. In fact- you should sprinkle a few in during the month so you don't run out of audio books. Maybe books for home, and audio books for travel?
I do. Yes, it is a sad thing. audiophile, bibliophile, LGF-phile. . . .
| 774 |
Sharmuta Wed, Sep 2, 2009 10:56:42pm |
re: #751 iceweasel
Can't stand Pelosi. Or Reid.
Watch out! Someone will read that and think you're a conservative in opposition to my being a liberal.
| 775 |
Almost Killed by Space Hookers Wed, Sep 2, 2009 10:58:46pm |
re: #768 Sharmuta
See, Darlin'- that's just it. The "take back our country" crowd is no different than the "tear it down" crowd. They're both lacking the constrained vision, and are therefore part of the same problem.
To tell the truth- I was hoping more folks reading A Conflict of Visions would pick up on the unconstrained right. Not saying those who have or are reading the book don't, but I do feel at times to be alone on this point.
You are not alone. I thought I would check back in.
| 776 |
Gretchen G.Tiger Wed, Sep 2, 2009 10:58:55pm |
re: #766 Desert Dog
One more before bed...
My point was that IMHO, this country has moved very far on the matters of race relations. I get the feeling from your post that you do not feel this way. I can only speak for myself and what I see. I think we are getting closer everyday to being a truly colorblind society. Are we there yet? No. Will we ever get there? I think so...and sooner than you would think too.
We have some narrow minded hate filled people out there still obsessing over race. I hope they let it go of that one day. We are really all just human beings when you strip away the exteriors, not white or black or brown.
The MSM has found that race baiting is good for business. We've seen more than enough examples --the recent gun-toting nutjob thread being what comes to mind. I live in a very ethnically mixed community and I don't see half of what is report by inuendo in the MSM. I see friends, neighbors and co-workers --doing what friends, neighbors and co-workers do--together.
| 777 |
Silvergirl Wed, Sep 2, 2009 10:59:08pm |
re: #740 Sharmuta
I predict the number of people snarking about Cato/Palin will remain the same, if not go higher, in his absence.
He did promise to lay off, and as far as I know, he has. Snarking could take a break as well. I think people just like the perverse entertainment.
| 778 |
Almost Killed by Space Hookers Wed, Sep 2, 2009 10:59:57pm |
re: #771 Floral Giraffe
Did you see the piece linked on Drudge? She claims to have been abducted by aliens one night...
[Link: www.independent.co.uk...]Cue the Twilight Zone music...
She was asking for the probe!!! I mean I landed my saucer and one thing led to another and then she changed her mind... Honest Your Honor!!!
| 779 |
The Left Wed, Sep 2, 2009 11:00:00pm |
re: #774 Sharmuta
Watch out! Someone will read that and think you're a conservative in opposition to my being a liberal.
I've coined the term 'straw-weasel' for when people attack the position they want to believe I hold, rather than the one I actually hold. Or for when they are attacking the argument they want to pretend i've made, rather than the one I've actually made. ;) e.g., "You're attacking the straw-weasel in your head, not my argument."
Although it is funny they think you're a liberal. Don't they know we're actually the same poster? ;)
| 780 |
Sharmuta Wed, Sep 2, 2009 11:00:23pm |
re: #775 LudwigVanQuixote
You are not alone. I thought I would check back in.
Thanks. Have you read A Conflict of Visions?
| 781 |
Gus Wed, Sep 2, 2009 11:00:29pm |
re: #768 Sharmuta
See, Darlin'- that's just it. The "take back our country" crowd is no different than the "tear it down" crowd. They're both lacking the constrained vision, and are therefore part of the same problem.
To tell the truth- I was hoping more folks reading A Conflict of Visions would pick up on the unconstrained right. Not saying those who have or are reading the book don't, but I do feel at times to be alone on this point.
We need more Sowell, and yes Frum. To me they closely approach the timbre of Buckley. I should expand on that list.
I know in my case being a centrist does feel lonely at times. It's difficult to navigate between being a social liberal to what some have described me as, a war monger. At times I think everyone is right and everyone is wrong -- so we split the difference. Find averages, compromise.
| 782 |
haakondahl Wed, Sep 2, 2009 11:00:34pm |
re: #768 Sharmuta
See, Darlin'- that's just it. The "take back our country" crowd is no different than the "tear it down" crowd. They're both lacking the constrained vision, and are therefore part of the same problem.
To tell the truth- I was hoping more folks reading A Conflict of Visions would pick up on the unconstrained right. Not saying those who have or are reading the book don't, but I do feel at times to be alone on this point.
Oh, I'm with you. What galls me is the insistence the everybody on the right own up to the kooks as brothers, while the left gets to distance itself from leftist kooks.
It's why some styles of comment here that typically refer to LGF in the second person really rankle me. Be in or get out.
| 783 |
Silvergirl Wed, Sep 2, 2009 11:00:36pm |
re: #771 Floral Giraffe
Did you see the piece linked on Drudge? She claims to have been abducted by aliens one night...
[Link: www.independent.co.uk...]Cue the Twilight Zone music...
Yeah, I hear the music.
That article is the same one linked in the spinoffs. I think it was Hello Dare's link.
| 784 |
Almost Killed by Space Hookers Wed, Sep 2, 2009 11:00:51pm |
re: #780 Sharmuta
Thanks. Have you read A Conflict of Visions?
NO not yet, but from your comment, I can tell I would like it.
| 785 |
Sharmuta Wed, Sep 2, 2009 11:01:16pm |
re: #779 iceweasel
I'm stunned no one has figured it out yet. ;p
| 787 |
Aye Pod Wed, Sep 2, 2009 11:02:25pm |
re: #716 ggt
I've run out of books to listen to on my iPod and my audible credits do not renew until the 14th.
Lizards, I have a few days until that happens. I know I could download podcasts for free, but I am craving fiction. I got it bad. Should I breakdown and (gasp) pay for a book?
Hacen't read this, but after listening to a talk about it I have decided to make it my next read.
[Link: www.amazon.co.uk...]
discussion here:
| 788 |
haakondahl Wed, Sep 2, 2009 11:02:31pm |
re: #776 ggt
The MSM has found that race baiting is good for business. We've seen more than enough examples --the recent gun-toting nutjob thread being what comes to mind. I live in a very ethnically mixed community and I don't see half of what is report by inuendo in the MSM. I see friends, neighbors and co-workers --doing what friends, neighbors and co-workers do--together.
The fundamental problem the left or Democrats have is that so much of their platform is misery-based. It is an unsustainable business model.
| 789 |
jvic Wed, Sep 2, 2009 11:03:56pm |
re: #766 Desert Dog
We have some narrow minded hate filled people out there still obsessing over race. I hope they let it go of that one day. We are really all just human beings when you strip away the exteriors, not white or black or brown.
My hope is that you're right.
My fear is that human beings may be hard-wired to categorize themselves, whereupon 'the strong do what they can and the weak bear what they must'. My fear is that, at our present knowledge of human nature, if racial bigotry stops--by no means a sure thing--, other criteria for bigotry will be established.
| 790 |
freetoken Wed, Sep 2, 2009 11:04:37pm |
re: #778 LudwigVanQuixote
She was asking for the probe!!!
Reminds me of the Japanese movie "Funky Forest". There is a scene that is overtly suggestive (well there are many such scenes in that movie) of "probes". The movie is subtitled "First Contact" and nominally has something to do with aliens.
Many clips of it on Youtube, but I can't find the exact scene to which I am referring. Just plug in "funky forest" into Youtube and see what you get.
| 791 |
Almost Killed by Space Hookers Wed, Sep 2, 2009 11:04:55pm |
Just to continue with the theme from before... this is what the speech did to a former Bush Administration official...
This is also why I got up to post...
| 792 |
Sharmuta Wed, Sep 2, 2009 11:05:24pm |
re: #781 Gus 802
I want to read more Frum- flipped through a book of his one time while browsing a book store (favorite pass time, btw) and it looked interesting.
I'm still a bit surprised I could post as much as I do on Goldwater and have someone tell me they've read my comments for years and they think I'm a liberal. Tells me they don't know what "conservative" means- at least what it's supposed to mean.
| 794 |
freetoken Wed, Sep 2, 2009 11:06:52pm |
| 795 |
Sharmuta Wed, Sep 2, 2009 11:06:52pm |
re: #793 haakondahl
BBL
CRAP! I was going to respond to you, but I will wait for your return, or we'll pick it up again another time, because I really want to discuss this with you.
| 796 |
haakondahl Wed, Sep 2, 2009 11:07:37pm |
re: #795 Sharmuta
CRAP! I was going to respond to you, but I will wait for your return, or we'll pick it up again another time, because I really want to discuss this with you.
Hit it.
| 797 |
ArchangelMichael Wed, Sep 2, 2009 11:08:04pm |
re: #792 Sharmuta
I want to read more Frum- flipped through a book of his one time while browsing a book store (favorite pass time, btw) and it looked interesting.
I'm still a bit surprised I could post as much as I do on Goldwater and have someone tell me they've read my comments for years and they think I'm a liberal. Tells me they don't know what "conservative" means- at least what it's supposed to mean.
That was the WTF moment of the day for me. I couldn't even tell if it was a serious comment or not at first.
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haakondahl Wed, Sep 2, 2009 11:08:22pm |
I guess I'm a brokeback lizard. I jes cain't quit this browser!
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Silvergirl Wed, Sep 2, 2009 11:08:25pm |
re: #771 Floral Giraffe
Did you see the piece linked on Drudge? She claims to have been abducted by aliens one night...
[Link: www.independent.co.uk...]Cue the Twilight Zone music...
I just read this and learned that the prime minister himself is nicknamed "the alien" because of his eyes.
That first article, the British one mentioned it at the end, but I didn't really pick up on it.
It is this refusal to bow to convention, as well as his tendency to drop conversation-stopping remarks – like his call, during the election campaign, for a "politics full of love" – that long ago led other Japanese politicians to dismiss him as an uchujin, an alien. Though not, presumably, the one who took Miyuki to Venus.
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Sharmuta Wed, Sep 2, 2009 11:09:51pm |
re: #797 ArchangelMichael
That was the WTF moment of the day for me. I couldn't even tell if it was a serious comment or not at first.
I think the only other person who posts as much or more on Goldwater than I is Slumbering Behemoth. I mention him at least a couple times a week now!
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Sharmuta Wed, Sep 2, 2009 11:10:23pm |
re: #796 haakondahl
OK- I will type it out, but you have to come back and read it.
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Gus Wed, Sep 2, 2009 11:10:56pm |
re: #792 Sharmuta
I want to read more Frum- flipped through a book of his one time while browsing a book store (favorite pass time, btw) and it looked interesting.
I'm still a bit surprised I could post as much as I do on Goldwater and have someone tell me they've read my comments for years and they think I'm a liberal. Tells me they don't know what "conservative" means- at least what it's supposed to mean.
Didn't they used to call that a classic liberal? I'm not familiar with the term so I may be wrong. But yes, I think people have gotten the term conservative confused over the years. But you know how it is when people will try to assess other people's ideology. You say one thing that leans to the left and you're cast as a liberal and vice versa. People that oppose you will use either case to discredit you.
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Dancing along the light of day Wed, Sep 2, 2009 11:12:14pm |
re: #779 iceweasel
I've coined the term 'straw-weasel' for when people attack the position they want to believe I hold, rather than the one I actually hold. Or for when they are attacking the argument they want to pretend i've made, rather than the one I've actually made. ;) e.g., "You're attacking the straw-weasel in your head, not my argument."
Although it is funny they think you're a liberal. Don't they know we're actually the same poster? ;)
But, which one is the SockPuppet? Hmmm?
Enquiring minds want to know!
LOL!
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Almost Killed by Space Hookers Wed, Sep 2, 2009 11:13:16pm |
re: #790 freetoken
Reminds me of the Japanese movie "Funky Forest". There is a scene that is overtly suggestive (well there are many such scenes in that movie) of "probes". The movie is subtitled "First Contact" and nominally has something to do with aliens.
Many clips of it on Youtube, but I can't find the exact scene to which I am referring. Just plug in "funky forest" into Youtube and see what you get.
Ahhh Japanese le bad cinema...
Here is the most bizarre Japanese thing I have ever seen ... that can be shown on a family site.
[Link: vids.myspace.com...]
The idea is that you do aerobics to learn English. Watch a bit, yes they are saying what you think they are. They have a very interesting view of the English you need to learn if visiting here.
Warning: Extreme Brain Melt
Side effects may be permanent.
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Gus Wed, Sep 2, 2009 11:13:30pm |
The phrase Classical liberalism is used in standard academic sources to mean liberalism before the 20th Century,[1] sometimes with particular emphasis on the liberalism of Jacksonian democracy in the 19th Century, which stressed laissez-faire economics and strict constructionism[2] .The phrase "classical liberalism" is also used to describe a form of liberalism in which the government does not provide social services or regulate industry and banking, and followers of this brand of classical liberalism today often claim that early liberals shared these beliefs[3]
In this latter sense, classical liberalism is sometimes called laissez-faire liberalism.[4]
The philosophy of classical liberalism in the latter sense includes the importance of human rationality, individual property rights, natural rights, the protection of civil liberties, individual freedom from restraint, equality under the law, constitutional limitation of government, free markets, and a gold standard to facilitate global free trade and place fiscal constraints on government,[5].
Too lazy to remove the footnotes.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Wed, Sep 2, 2009 11:13:31pm |
re: #787 Jimmah
Hacen't read this, but after listening to a talk about it I have decided to make it my next read.
[Link: www.amazon.co.uk...]
discussion here:
[Video]
hey thanks, not available on audio, but I put the book in my amazon wish list. He wrote another about Gilgamesh, which also looks interesting.
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Gus Wed, Sep 2, 2009 11:14:24pm |
Woops. I just "endorsed" the gold standard by default! :O
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haakondahl Wed, Sep 2, 2009 11:14:32pm |
re: #801 Sharmuta
OK- I will type it out, but you have to come back and read it.
I'm here. Lurkening, while I try to suss the website for the hospital here.
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Sharmuta Wed, Sep 2, 2009 11:14:33pm |
re: #802 Gus 802
You could say I was a classic liberal, but I prefer Goldwater, who was also much more liberal on social issues than today's so-called "conservatives".
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The Left Wed, Sep 2, 2009 11:14:48pm |
re: #782 haakondahl
Oh, I'm with you. What galls me is the insistence the everybody on the right own up to the kooks as brothers, while the left gets to distance itself from leftist kooks.
It's why some styles of comment here that typically refer to LGF in the second person really rankle me. Be in or get out.
Well, Im not sure this is fair...I'm on the left and I did my share on the left to get us to distance ourselves from nuts...also, a desire to refer to LGF as LGF rather than 'we', might just reflect a desire to acknowledge that LGF is a big tent without one opinion. Me, I would feel really weird and rude using 'we' when talking about LGF, partly because I wouldnt presume to speak for anyone but me.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Wed, Sep 2, 2009 11:15:23pm |
re: #802 Gus 802
I'm a Classical Liberal
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Gus Wed, Sep 2, 2009 11:16:05pm |
re: #811 ggt
I'm a Classical Liberal
I think Milton Friedman had a lot of great points and concepts.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Wed, Sep 2, 2009 11:16:10pm |
re: #803 Floral Giraffe
But, which one is the SockPuppet? Hmmm?
Enquiring minds want to know!
LOL!
straw weasel, I like it!
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Gus Wed, Sep 2, 2009 11:16:36pm |
re: #809 Sharmuta
You could say I was a classic liberal, but I prefer Goldwater, who was also much more liberal on social issues than today's so-called "conservatives".
Goldwater the elder. ;)
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freetoken Wed, Sep 2, 2009 11:18:47pm |
re: #804 LudwigVanQuixote
Yes, famous video. There are some others that are even wilder.
The "take anything you like" and "spare me my life" is preparation for visiting American cities. I know Japanese women who won't travel to large cities east of the Mississippi because they think it is too dangerous.
Really.
I can't blame them. I miss Japan and civil society.
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The Left Wed, Sep 2, 2009 11:19:15pm |
re: #789 jvic
My hope is that you're right.
My fear is that human beings may be hard-wired to categorize themselves, whereupon 'the strong do what they can and the weak bear what they must'. My fear is that, at our present knowledge of human nature, if racial bigotry stops--by no means a sure thing--, other criteria for bigotry will be established.
Hey jvic!
That's exactly what I think too. Xenophobia and a certain need to classify groups as 'us' vs 'them' seem to be innate to the human condition, IMO. If we got rid of the category of race as an excuse for bigotry, we would find or invent another, i fear
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Gus Wed, Sep 2, 2009 11:19:17pm |
The eclectic libero-conservative. AKA the Super Rino-Dino.
//
| 818 |
Gretchen G.Tiger Wed, Sep 2, 2009 11:19:50pm |
new thread, my cue to go to bed.
weet dreams all!
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Gus Wed, Sep 2, 2009 11:20:07pm |
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Irenicum Wed, Sep 2, 2009 11:20:35pm |
re: #766 Desert Dog
Agreed. I hope you're right. Though what I've seen around me over the years, both in NYC and in Holland, Mi., both lead me to believe that our tendency to see our differences before our similarities drives us more than we're willing to admit. As a Christian, I struggle with what rises up in me when I see anything that is different in others as an inherent threat to me. Sometime it is. Sometimes there are actual differences that exist that are important. Sometimes however, these differences are seen through a lens that is more concerned with protecting self interest than protecting objective truth. And this interest is more interested in protecting a temporary emotional self attachment. And once again, I'm rambling on. I appreciate your input. I'm not impugning your motives. I just am concerned about what what we all say about race.
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haakondahl Wed, Sep 2, 2009 11:21:26pm |
re: #815 freetoken
Yes, famous video. There are some others that are even wilder.
The "take anything you like" and "spare me my life" is preparation for visiting American cities. I know Japanese women who won't travel to large cities east of the Mississippi because they think it is too dangerous.
Really.
I can't blame them. I miss Japan and civil society.
And several of the Japanese English-langauge training publishers seem to have a great time portraying America as the land of rape and gunplay.
| 822 |
haakondahl Wed, Sep 2, 2009 11:22:21pm |
re: #816 iceweasel
Hey jvic!
That's exactly what I think too. Xenophobia and a certain need to classify groups as 'us' vs 'them' seem to be innate to the human condition, IMO. If we got rid of the category of race as an excuse for bigotry, we would find or invent another, i fear
We certainly have no shortage of bases for bigotry.
| 823 |
Sharmuta Wed, Sep 2, 2009 11:22:26pm |
re: #782 haakondahl
Oh, I'm with you. What galls me is the insistence the everybody on the right own up to the kooks as brothers, while the left gets to distance itself from leftist kooks.
It's why some styles of comment here that typically refer to LGF in the second person really rankle me. Be in or get out.
I think the problem here is folks on the right aren't being saddled with the kooks- they're openly embracing them- and defending them! This blog is one of the few big "right wing" blogs that's made it a point to distance itself from these people.
For me what is worse is the folks who don't even seem to want to acknowledge we have a kook problem. It's political denial- and it will cause as many problems for us as denial in other psychological contexts creates.
Honestly- I hope this Beck rant will open some eyes for a few people out there. He really went to far trying to label a piece of art with a Bible reference on it "communist". If that doesn't wake some folks up to this kook, I don't know what will. Hopefully, our brothers and sisters with constrained visions will step up and help us take this party back. But again- the problem is the kooks are being welcomed on the right. I don't care what the left does with their kooks- what are we going to do about ours?
| 824 |
ArchangelMichael Wed, Sep 2, 2009 11:22:59pm |
re: #802 Gus 802
Didn't they used to call that a classic liberal? I'm not familiar with the term so I may be wrong. But yes, I think people have gotten the term conservative confused over the years. But you know how it is when people will try to assess other people's ideology. You say one thing that leans to the left and you're cast as a liberal and vice versa. People that oppose you will use either case to discredit you.
I've said this a dozen times if I've said it once, so at risk of sounding like a broken record...
The terms liberal and conservative are so watered down and fuzzy such that they have become almost meaningless. They cause more confusion than not, which defeats the purpose of assigning a "label" to categorize something in the first place.
I consider myself to be a classical liberal to a point. If I were to tell most people that, they wouldn't know what I mean, perhaps if I said "libertarian without the conspiracy tinfoil hat" or even "Fiscal conservative & social moderate" it would clear it up, but I hate that the labels are so meaningless, to even begin to get an idea where I stand on politics, requires a full sentence to a paragraph.
This is the main reason I rarely use the term liberal to describe the left. The fact that the left hijacked this word to mean something else, and the right went along with it and then demonized it, totally pisses me off.
Even Left & Right are as labels are near meaningless. According to those simplistic labels I get stuck on in the same group with ID creationists, Christian dominionists, Paulians, Libertarians, Christian socialists, Nazis, and fascists. I don't necessarily want to hang out in that room. If I go next door I get big government nanny statists, communists, anarchists, socialists, union thugs, economic protectionists, and environmental luddite-zealots.
All I can say is, I'm pissed about this.
| 825 |
Sharmuta Wed, Sep 2, 2009 11:24:04pm |
re: #817 Gus 802
The eclectic libero-conservative. AKA the Super Rino-Dino.
//
I was thinking of going with anti-fascist conservative. Thoughts?
| 827 |
Dark_Falcon Wed, Sep 2, 2009 11:26:04pm |
re: #825 Sharmuta
I was thinking of going with anti-fascist conservative. Thoughts?
Works for me. Sorry I kind of dropped out of the discussion. I was reading some sci-fi.
| 828 |
Gus Wed, Sep 2, 2009 11:26:18pm |
re: #825 Sharmuta
I was thinking of going with anti-fascist conservative. Thoughts?
That works. Sort of reminds me of the discussions early this year regarding the BNP, pro-Koln, et al.
| 829 |
ArchangelMichael Wed, Sep 2, 2009 11:26:37pm |
re: #825 Sharmuta
I was thinking of going with anti-fascist conservative. Thoughts?
Too many asshats will tell you that's an oxymoron, and they will actually believe it.
| 830 |
Sharmuta Wed, Sep 2, 2009 11:27:11pm |
re: #829 ArchangelMichael
Too many asshats will tell you that's an oxymoron, and they will actually believe it.
But the head explosions might be entertaining...
| 831 |
shimoda Wed, Sep 2, 2009 11:28:19pm |
OT. Introducing myself.
I know you are supposed to introduce yourself in the registration thread but being a fool, I forgot. I tried to rectify it about 48 hrs later but of course nobody reads a thread that old. So here we go again.
I am from Finland, working as an ICT-manager at a chemical company.
I have been lurking here a few years and thought it would be polite to step forward and reveal myself.
I find it refreshing to read a non-crazy, American, center-right blog. I seem to be a bit more to the left than most of you here (coming from a godless, socialist, EU-hellhole as I do).
Anyway, this is my introduction, it is not much but it is mine.
Don't think I will post too many posts as you seem to be keeping VERY strange hours! Why can't you conform and adapt to EU-time!? ///
Time now is 09:26, that is 9:26 AM for you.
regards
| 832 |
Dark_Falcon Wed, Sep 2, 2009 11:29:42pm |
re: #831 shimoda
OT. Introducing myself.
I know you are supposed to introduce yourself in the registration thread but being a fool, I forgot. I tried to rectify it about 48 hrs later but of course nobody reads a thread that old. So here we go again.I am from Finland, working as an ICT-manager at a chemical company.
I have been lurking here a few years and thought it would be polite to step forward and reveal myself.
I find it refreshing to read a non-crazy, American, center-right blog. I seem to be a bit more to the left than most of you here (coming from a godless, socialist, EU-hellhole as I do).Anyway, this is my introduction, it is not much but it is mine.
Don't think I will post too many posts as you seem to be keeping VERY strange hours! Why can't you conform and adapt to EU-time!? ///
Time now is 09:26, that is 9:26 AM for you.
regards
Welcome, shimoda! We welcome any sane debate here. Glad to meet you.
| 833 |
Sharmuta Wed, Sep 2, 2009 11:32:58pm |
re: #831 shimoda
Welcome to LGF! There are always folks here on the overnight threads. Though we're predominately Americans, we do have folks from all over the world here, and someone is almost always around. :)
| 834 |
Irenicum Wed, Sep 2, 2009 11:35:14pm |
re: #831 shimoda
Greetings and salutations! It's great to have you here!
| 835 |
Sharmuta Wed, Sep 2, 2009 11:37:54pm |
shimoda-
Come up to the next thread and introduce yourself again. That's where most lizards will see it in the morning.
| 836 |
shimoda Wed, Sep 2, 2009 11:40:30pm |
re: #835 Sharmuta
shimoda-
Come up to the next thread and introduce yourself again. That's where most lizards will see it in the morning.
Ok, this is getting silly, but I will do it a third time :-)
| 837 |
Almost Killed by Space Hookers Wed, Sep 2, 2009 11:40:33pm |
re: #831 shimoda
OT. Introducing myself.
I know you are supposed to introduce yourself in the registration thread but being a fool, I forgot. I tried to rectify it about 48 hrs later but of course nobody reads a thread that old. So here we go again.I am from Finland, working as an ICT-manager at a chemical company.
I have been lurking here a few years and thought it would be polite to step forward and reveal myself.
I find it refreshing to read a non-crazy, American, center-right blog. I seem to be a bit more to the left than most of you here (coming from a godless, socialist, EU-hellhole as I do).Anyway, this is my introduction, it is not much but it is mine.
Don't think I will post too many posts as you seem to be keeping VERY strange hours! Why can't you conform and adapt to EU-time!? ///
Time now is 09:26, that is 9:26 AM for you.
regards
Welcome!
| 838 |
haakondahl Wed, Sep 2, 2009 11:42:22pm |
re: #831 shimoda
OT. Introducing myself.
I know you are supposed to introduce yourself in the registration thread but being a fool, I forgot. I tried to rectify it about 48 hrs later but of course nobody reads a thread that old. So here we go again.I am from Finland, working as an ICT-manager at a chemical company.
I have been lurking here a few years and thought it would be polite to step forward and reveal myself.
I find it refreshing to read a non-crazy, American, center-right blog. I seem to be a bit more to the left than most of you here (coming from a godless, socialist, EU-hellhole as I do).Anyway, this is my introduction, it is not much but it is mine.
Don't think I will post too many posts as you seem to be keeping VERY strange hours! Why can't you conform and adapt to EU-time!? ///
Time now is 09:26, that is 9:26 AM for you.
regards
Have you been to Shimoda?
| 839 |
Dancing along the light of day Wed, Sep 2, 2009 11:43:28pm |
re: #831 shimoda
And a hearty Lizard welcome to you!
| 840 |
Green Helmet Guy Thu, Sep 3, 2009 12:26:04am |
re: #100 MandyManners
I looked around for the ears/eyes verse. I found this.
Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest. Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me; for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls. For my yoke is easy, and my burden is light.
Matthew 11: 28-30.
re: #100 MandyManners
Lawhawk in found the origin of the quote.
re: #63 lawhawk
ירמיה 5:21
שמעו-נא זאת עם סכל ואין לב עינים להם ולא יראו אזנים להם ולא ישמעו:
Jeremiah 5:21
"Hear this oh foolish and heartless nation, they have eyes, but cannot see, they have ears but cannot hear."
Context: Israel has forsaken God to worship idols in the land of Israel.
The quote also appears in the Jewish prayer of Hallel ("Praise"), where it was taken from Psalms 115:1-11 "Not for our sake" ("תהלים קטו:א-יא "לא לנו ה' לא לנו)
עינים להם ולא יראו. אזנים להם ולא ישמעו,
"They have eyes, but cannot see. They have ears but cannot hear,"
Context: in this instance it is referring to idols, which have eyes and hears but cannot hear nor see.
I am sure it also appears in other places throughout the Old & New Testament.
| 841 |
Green Helmet Guy Thu, Sep 3, 2009 1:04:30am |
re: #522 Charles
Yes, the John Birch Society is still raving about fluoridation.
General Jack D. Ripper: "Charles, do you realize that fluoridation is the most monstrously conceived and dangerous Communist plot we have ever had to face?"
| 842 |
tokyobk Thu, Sep 3, 2009 5:28:32am |
"If you or your wife..."
I guess when he thinks of his audience, its in the form a of a man.
| 844 |
Achilles Tang Thu, Sep 3, 2009 6:06:39am |
re: #843 koedo
Charles,
Respectfully speaking, I get it with Glenn Beck. It's a bit of an overkill now.
Your first and only post in 5 years, yet you feel qualified to tell the 7.6 million previous posters what is overkill?
Are you going to implode for an encore, or crawl back to whatever you have been lurking under?
| 845 |
Bill Dalasio Thu, Sep 3, 2009 6:23:51am |
Strictly speaking, Beck is right in that the artwork is communist propaganda. Rivera, rather famously included it in the piece. To the extent that he's suggesting that this confirms any New World Order style conspiracy, he's kidding himself. Rockefeller blew a gasket when he saw the propaganda and ordered it covered over (hence its "secret" status).
| 846 |
kochsr Thu, Sep 3, 2009 6:23:54am |
re: #844 Naso Tang
7.6 million posters! That's bigger than Glen Beck's audience!
How dare a new person post something here (that you don't like).
| 847 |
centaur Thu, Sep 3, 2009 6:40:57am |
Wow. I just watched the clip. Is this guy being serious? What a freekin' stretch. He'd have a field day I suppose with the Tribune Tower in Chicago.
| 848 |
gregb Thu, Sep 3, 2009 7:32:34am |
I think his show would trigger less collective gag reflexes if he'd just drop all pretense and just rename the show.
Top 5 new names:
o The Glen Beck Conspiracy Hour (where's the missing letter?)
o Flailing Foxes: How to win ratings and influence people
o Convergency: the best kooky theories PDOMA
o Talking Turkey as Glenn Beck
o Astro-nerfing with Glenn Beck, how to win intellectual wars with foam toys
| 849 |
tradewind Thu, Sep 3, 2009 7:36:22am |
re: #844 Naso Tang
Wait a minute... in the posting guidelines, ' disagreements are welcome'.
The post was polite in its disagreement... who made you gatekeeper?
| 850 |
brennant Thu, Sep 3, 2009 8:01:36am |
re: #847 centaur
This guy is seriously nuts. His hometown in Washington State is going to give him the Key to the City. (sigh)
| 851 |
tokyobk Thu, Sep 3, 2009 8:16:48am |
Progressive art creeps me out too but artistically there is also some powerful, worthy stuff. I love the sword into plowshares statue and the Philadelphia post office on Chestnut Street has wonderful images of the noble working man, beautiful deco.
| 852 |
Chekote Thu, Sep 3, 2009 10:05:46am |
So Beck just now realized that Diego Rivera was a Communist. Too funny!!
| 853 |
hellosnackbar Thu, Sep 3, 2009 10:18:41am |
re#21 Mandy Manners,
I was cogitating on whether there was a more stupid prick in the whole of the world?;then you mentioned David Icke!
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