More Advertisers Drop Beck

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Eleven more major companies have pulled their advertisements from the Glenn Beck Comedy Hour, bringing the total number of advertisers participating in the boycott (organized by left-wing group Color of Change) to 57.

OAKLAND, Calif.—Eleven new companies whose ads were recently seen during Beck’s program—Binder & Binder, Capital One, The Dannon Company, Discover, HSBC, ICAN Benefit Group Insurance, Infiniti, Jelmar (manufacturer of CLR All-Purpose Cleaner), Jordan McKenna Debt Counseling Network, Mercedes-Benz and Simplex Healthcare (creator of the Diabetes Care Club) —have pledged to colorofchange.org to take steps to ensure that their ads don’t run on Beck’s show. Fifty-seven companies have now committed not to support Beck’s show since colorofchange.org launched its campaign four weeks ago after the Fox News Channel host called President Obama a “racist” who “has a deep-seated hatred for white people” during an appearance on Fox & Friends.

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1 Ben Hur  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 12:53:35pm

How many advertisers can this guy possibly have?

His show is just an hour.

2 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 12:54:34pm

Pretty soon his only advertisers will be "Mom's White Teeth Secret" and "Make $697,000/month Working From Home"

3 turn  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 12:58:03pm

Are his ratings still going up?

4 Spenser (with an S)  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 12:58:30pm

Completely innocent question; Does all the paperwork and promotion,etc. for the boycott just mention the above comments about Obama being racist? Sounds very tame, no? It seems he's said more inflammatory things than that, but with the front group having "color" in its name, maybe that makes sense.

5 wrenchwench  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 12:59:12pm

I predict a flounce at #764. Tomorrow.

6 Kosh's Shadow  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 12:59:26pm

re: #2 Alouette

Pretty soon his only advertisers will be "Mom's White Teeth Secret" and "Make $697,000/month Working From Home"

With his talking points from the John Birch society, and by extension to other racist loonies, it will be "Mom's White Sheet Secret" (good for getting ashes from cross burnings out of sheets)

7 Kosh's Shadow  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 1:00:48pm

I still get email from David Horowitz (frontpagemag, etc.) and he's asking for money, saying that his organization is planning appearances on TV - the Glen Beck show. At that point I stopped reading.
People who are friends with John Birch supporters don't get anything from me.

8 Neutral President  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 1:00:53pm

re: #5 wrenchwench

I predict a flounce at #764. Tomorrow.

Gotta love the kook invasions to Beck postings after the rest of the lizards are up a few threads.

9 Charles Johnson  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 1:01:38pm

re: #8 ArchangelMichael

Gotta love the kook invasions to Beck postings after the rest of the lizards are up a few threads.

It happens every single time I post a thread about Beck.

10 Kosh's Shadow  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 1:01:44pm

re: #8 ArchangelMichael

Gotta love the kook invasions to Beck postings after the rest of the lizards are up a few threads.

That's because the kooks are always behind. Or another word that means behind.

11 mollyshark  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 1:02:22pm

Sad.

12 ~Fianna  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 1:04:07pm

re: #10 Kosh's Shadow

That's because the kooks are always behind. Or another word that means behind.

Reposting that because it's so perfectly put.

13 wrenchwench  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 1:04:11pm

re: #11 mollyshark

Sad.

Care to elaborate? Oh, you already did.

524 mollyshark8/25/2009 10:31:02 am PDT

Sorry, but I think there are a LOT worse people than Glenn Beck out there mouthing their opinions. I don't agree with all of them by far, but at least I don't sniff any hypocrisy. What are these advertisers so scared of? They all rabid Obama supporters? I doubt it. Scared of losing black customers? I doubt that also. The man stated his opinion. He didn't suggest shooting anyone, rioting in the streets, or violence of any sort. I don't post that much here, but I do read it all every day and I have to admit I find this mentality appalling.

14 drcordell  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 1:04:11pm

Wish I could say that I thought this will have any effect on his show. As long as he still pulls 3+ million viewers there will always be someone ready to advertise. Not to mention the fact that this is probably just going to encourage Beck to be even more bat-shit insane since company that hasn't pulled their sponsorship yet certainly isn't likely to no matter what he says next.

15 Lee Coller  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 1:04:50pm

Just for the record, I don't want this boycott to succeed in getting Beck off the air. I want Beck off the air because he no longer has any viewers.

16 Charles Johnson  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 1:06:04pm

They're still melting down in the 'Freak-Out' thread, by the way.

17 blangwort  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 1:06:31pm

Beck's show reminds me of Yogi Berra's remark: (paraphrasing)

"He's too popular, nobody listens to him"

18 J.D.  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 1:06:55pm

I only see Beck here, and for about 3 seconds before my DVR starts playing Bret Baier.

I can't quite escape him entirely.

19 Spare O'Lake  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 1:08:49pm

So organized politically motivated boycotts by advertisers are a good thing?
I have no use for Beck's show, nor do I have any problem with individual advertisers pulling their ads on an individual basis and without being threatened by political groups.
But organized political boycotts are very dangerous precisely because they involve organized efforts to defeat the free operation of the marketplace. To me this is not very different than political boycotts of Israeli goods by anti-Semites.
Presumably the corporations joined the boycott because they feared that the leftist organizers would in turn promote a political boycott of their goods by consumers.
The whole thing has a bad smell.

20 Occasional Reader  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 1:09:08pm

Wait, wait, back up... I can make $697,000/month working from home?!

//

21 SasquatchOnSteroids  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 1:09:09pm

re: #1 Ben Hur

How many advertisers can this guy possibly have?

His show is just an hour.

57 advertisers dropped.
57 states in the union.

It's Oligarhy !

22 tradewind  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 1:09:50pm

Without commenting on the merits or lack of them in the Beck show, this is an interesting display of bowing to pressure by the targeted corporations.
If you take a closer look, you will see that despite their protestations, their ads often continue to ' accidentally ' crop up on the show they profess to boycott, while they deny culpability.
Usually in campaigns like this, a few weeks or months later, the same advertisers quietly resume their original sponsorships.
Check the history.

23 unrealizedviewpoint  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 1:10:06pm

I looked past Beck's wackiness for a couple days...but can't take it anymore. It is like tuning to Coast to Coast Radio. Except that C to C at least tries somewhat to tie up the loose ends.

24 Charles Johnson  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 1:10:51pm

re: #19 Spare O'Lake

So organized politically motivated boycotts by advertisers are a good thing?

Would you mind telling me where you got the idea I was saying that?

25 unrealizedviewpoint  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 1:10:57pm

re: #18 J.D.

I only see Beck here, and for about 3 seconds before my DVR starts playing Bret Baier.

I can't quite escape him entirely.

You can reset that to chop off a minute. might be worth it. :)

26 tradewind  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 1:11:34pm

re: #23 unrealizedviewpoint

And Coast to Coast at least has a voice that can put you off into dreamland, which is another plus. Beck's voice is not exactly soothing.

27 SummerSong  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 1:11:35pm

The guy who had his finger bit off in Ventura will be on FOX news when they return from commercial.

28 Pianobuff  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 1:11:46pm

re: #22 tradewind

Without commenting on the merits or lack of them in the Beck show, this is an interesting display of bowing to pressure by the targeted corporations.
If you take a closer look, you will see that despite their protestations, their ads often continue to ' accidentally ' crop up on the show they profess to boycott, while they deny culpability.
Usually in campaigns like this, a few weeks or months later, the same advertisers quietly resume their original sponsorships.
Check the history.

Examples?

29 tradewind  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 1:11:57pm

re: #27 SummerSong

Ewww.

30 Occasional Reader  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 1:12:02pm

re: #19 Spare O'Lake

I do have to say, when I read this:

... have pledged to ColorOfChange.org to take steps to ensure that their ads don’t run on Beck’s show

I do have to wonder: Who's next?

And this, despite the fact that I think Beck does much more harm than good in providing a conservative critique of the current direction of government.

31 Digital Display  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 1:12:20pm

re: #20 Occasional Reader

Wait, wait, back up... I can make $697,000/month working from home?!

//

535 Reps and senators in DC...
The possibilities are endless...

32 SasquatchOnSteroids  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 1:12:29pm

My M-I-L sent me a belated birthday card today with Obama on the front.

Front : Your Birthday is all about Change !

Inside : I had just enough of it left to buy you this card.

No money in it, stingy b...

33 tradewind  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 1:12:43pm

re: #28 Pianobuff

Google it yourself, if you must. If you can't find them on your own, let me know and I will look it up for you.

34 Charles Johnson  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 1:12:47pm

re: #22 tradewind

Without commenting on the merits or lack of them in the Beck show, this is an interesting display of bowing to pressure by the targeted corporations.

Advertisers aren't "bowing to pressure" -- they're taking a principled stand against Beck's extremist statements. I'm not in favor of boycotts in general, but no company is going to pull their ads just because Color of Change "pressured" them.

Glenn Beck said something disgusting, and this is the consequence of it.

35 Occasional Reader  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 1:12:59pm

re: #15 Lee Coller

Just for the record, I don't want this boycott to succeed in getting Beck off the air. I want Beck off the air because he no longer has any viewers.

Well put.

36 Shiplord Kirel  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 1:13:06pm

It's unfortunate that we have such a habit of cheapening mental illness by accusing our opponents of being crazy.
I am seriously beginning to suspect that Beck is the real deal and he may actually, literally, be in need of clinical intervention. What sealed it for me was his explanation of the kid leading Mussolini's chariot as part of Obama's plan to subvert youth. The scupture is over 70 years old.

37 SasquatchOnSteroids  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 1:13:15pm

re: #27 SummerSong

The guy who had his finger bit off in Ventura will be on FOX news when they return from commercial.

Finally, we can get the meat of the story.

38 Occasional Reader  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 1:14:16pm

re: #34 Charles

but no company is going to pull their ads just because Color of Change "pressured" them.

On just that point, what makes me nervous is that "... pledged to ColorOfChange.org..." phrase.

39 Gus  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 1:14:42pm

re: #24 Charles

Charles. Little Green Footballs is linked over at the LA Times Blog:

Glenn Beck and the Society for (In)sanity in Art
September 3, 2009 %P% 10:55 am

It's the link at the third "here":

Last night Fox News ranter Glenn Beck went off on the art made more than 70 years ago for Rockefeller Center, corporate headquarters of NBC and -- not coincidentally -- supposed arch-enemy of Rupert Murdoch's television empire. To the surprise of no one, but to the great amusement of the blogosphere (here, here and here) -- Beck donned his art critic's tin-foil conspiracy hat to find hidden evidence of "progressives, fascists and communists" in the carved reliefs and paintings of a landmark Manhattan building complex that was made a national historic monument in 1987. (Let's see; who was president that year? Oh, yeah: Commie-symp Ronald Reagan.)

40 Occasional Reader  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 1:14:56pm

re: #31 HoosierHoops

535 Reps and senators in DC...
The possibilities are endless...

Wait... so you're suggesting I open a brothel?

/

41 Charles Johnson  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 1:15:16pm

re: #38 Occasional Reader

On just that point, what makes me nervous is that "... pledged to ColorOfChange.org..." phrase.

Well ... Color of Change is the group that's contacting the companies. I don't see why that's odd; they're responding to the group that contacted them.

42 drcordell  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 1:15:25pm

re: #19 Spare O'Lake

So organized politically motivated boycotts by advertisers are a good thing?
I have no use for Beck's show, nor do I have any problem with individual advertisers pulling their ads on an individual basis and without being threatened by political groups.
But organized political boycotts are very dangerous precisely because they involve organized efforts to defeat the free operation of the marketplace. To me this is not very different than political boycotts of Israeli goods by anti-Semites.
Presumably the corporations joined the boycott because they feared that the leftist organizers would in turn promote a political boycott of their goods by consumers.
The whole thing has a bad smell.

Kind of a failed analogy there. Because a boycott was used once for anti-semitism doesn't mean that all boycotts are inherently wrong. Train cars were used to round Jews up and send them to concentration camps, but that doesn't mean trains are anti-semitic. A boycott is just a tool, it can be used for good or for evil.

43 flyovercountry  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 1:15:39pm

Hollywood, with a year's supply of LSD couldn't come up with the stuff Beck is spouting. These guys shouldn't boycott it, they should take notes and make tons of money turning it into movies. Think of the possibilities, "Sekrit Oligarhy mutants from Nirtherville," "The 150 Foot Tall Hitler Nephews in drag marching on Tokyo." This man is like a Felini Nightmare in prime time. It doesn't get any better.

44 tradewind  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 1:15:48pm

re: #34 Charles
That's certainly their right, and if they feel that way, it's actually their responsibility. But do you really, truly, think they'd be taking this action without pressure from ColorOfChange?
Really?

45 J.D.  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 1:15:51pm

re: #25 unrealizedviewpoint

You can reset that to chop off a minute. might be worth it. :)


I didn't realize that.
You have to understand it could take me awhile to figure out how to do that. I'll persevere. What doesn't kill you...

46 brucee  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 1:15:52pm

re: #1 Ben Hur

How many advertisers can this guy possibly have?

His show is just an hour.

I think the way it works is that companies sign up to have ads on Fox, a certain number over a certain period. Then check a list of shows they are interested in and Fox people start rotating ads on selected shows.

For instance, one ad might be on a show for a week every other month. This explains the large number of companies.

What is happening right now, is some companies dropping un-checking Glenn Beck's program from their desired list of programs.

I could be wrong though.

47 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 1:16:08pm

I don't understand all the Beck bashing. He's simply telling the truth that no one else has the courage to tell. Exposing the liars, commies, and hitlernazis in the Obama admin., we should be thanking him for it.

He's tall, handsome, articulate, exceedingly witty, an has a great sense of humo...

:shake: :sputter: :snort:

What the hell just happened? I wrote what? Beck must be brainwashing me through my DTV converter, just like one of his fans said he could (or was it Obama that was supposed to use the converters). I know, he's putting something in the water supply to make me worship him. A poison from Florida, or something.

Or, maybe it was that mural I saw the other day that had a pro-Beck subliminal message hidden in plain sight. They tell me it was painted by a kindergarten class, but I don't believe that for a second. It had to be commissioned by the Beckafellers to influence societies sheep.

Well, I'm not putting up with this anymore! Tomorrow, the gloves come off!

48 Erik The Red  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 1:16:22pm

re: #32 SasquatchOnSteroids

My M-I-L sent me a belated birthday card today with Obama on the front.

Front : Your Birthday is all about Change !

Inside : I had just enough of it left to buy you this card.

No money in it, stingy b...

I got my future BIL the same card last week. My sister is a 44 supporter. I hope they get married but I will need to keep him on "my side" of the political sphere.

49 Spare O'Lake  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 1:16:52pm

re: #24 Charles

Would you mind telling me where you got the idea I was saying that?

You did not say that and I apologize if I implied that you had.
You put the story out there without taking a position pro or con.
However some of the posted comments made me feel that noone was very upset about it, hence my comment.
I am perhaps hypersensitive to boycotts because of the Israeli boycotts.
I would of course be very interested in your views.

50 Occasional Reader  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 1:17:58pm

re: #41 Charles

Well ... Color of Change is the group that's contacting the companies. I don't see why that's odd; they're responding to the group that contacted them.

It's the "pledged" bit. As opposed to, "thank you for bringing this to our attention, have a nice day", and they they decide what they want to do. It seems to put this (apparently) left-wing group in the driver's seat. And yeah, then I wonder, fresh from this triumph, what will their next boycott target be?

51 Neutral President  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 1:18:34pm

re: #49 Spare O'Lake

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

52 Charles Johnson  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 1:18:38pm

re: #44 tradewind

That's certainly their right, and if they feel that way, it's actually their responsibility. But do you really, truly, think they'd be taking this action without pressure from ColorOfChange?
Really?

Color of Change is organizing the boycott. The letters I've seen are not "pressuring" anyone -- they simply relate the facts about what Beck said, and ask the company to drop their ads.

If Beck hadn't made that stupid over the top statement (and hundreds of other statements as bad or worse), this wouldn't be happening. He fully deserves this.

53 CommonCents  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 1:18:50pm

Glenn Beck is a God! What's the matter with you people?!

54 Westward Ho  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 1:19:36pm

Calling Cato the Elder,

OT totally,


What Sarah really felt about Trig

After Tripp was born, Sarah would pay more attention to our son than she would to her own baby, Trig. Sarah has a weird sense of humor. When she came home from work, Bristol and I would be holding Trig and Tripp. Sarah would call Trig--who was born with Down syndrome--"my little Down's baby." But I couldn't believe it when she would come over and sometimes say, playing around, "No, I don't want the retarded baby--I want the other one," and pick up Tripp. That was just her--even her kids were used to it.

Levi is either a scumbag or speaking the truth. Charles please delete the comment if you feel it inappropiate.

55 lawhawk  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 1:19:40pm

Beck may be nuts, but he's got strong competition from the Libyan Liberace of lunacy, Mumar Khadafi, who's now calling for the UN to obliterate Switzerland.

Yes folks, you've read that right. Khadafi wants the UN to abolish Switzerland.

Why?

Well, Khadafi didn't like the fact that his son and daughter in law were arrested by Swiss authorities after the pair assaulted their staff staff:

The Libya-Swiss kerfuffle began a year ago, when Khadafy's youngest son, Hannibal Khadafy, and his pregnant wife were arrested in a Geneva luxury hotel for beating two servants with a belt and a coat-hanger.

Hannibal Khadafy had previously been busted in both France and Italy for beating a woman and fighting a cop, and once for driving drunk down Paris' Champs Elysee at 90 mph - the wrong way.

Libya retaliated with fury, recalling some diplomats, suspending visas for Swiss citizens, withdrawing funds from Swiss banks, shuttering the Tripoli office of Nestle and threatening to cut off oil deliveries to Switzerland.

56 Dianna  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 1:19:59pm

re: #9 Charles

It happens every single time I post a thread about Beck.

It's so strange - prior to these threads, I don't believe I'd ever heard of Beck. It makes me a little queasy.

How many other nuts are out there with influential shows I've never heard of? I honestly thought rationality had reached its nadir when Ghost Hunters, The Ghost Whisperer and Medium hit television. Then I started hearing about Olberman and Beck.

57 CommonCents  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 1:20:02pm

Glenn {oh oooh} Savior of the Universe!

I think I should throw in the sarc tag now before it get's to ugly on me.
/

58 Neutral President  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 1:20:04pm

re: #53 CommonCents

Sarc slash key broken?

59 SummerSong  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 1:20:06pm

Still waiting for the guy FOX news said would be on after the commercial...

60 Occasional Reader  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 1:20:30pm

re: #55 lawhawk

the Libyan Liberace of lunacy

I see you were a "Batman" t.v. series devotee as a kid, too.

61 CommonCents  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 1:20:40pm

re: #58 ArchangelMichael

Sarc slash key broken?

saw that one coming.

62 Shiplord Kirel  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 1:20:46pm

An obscure lefty group like Color of Change couldn't "pressure" the average consumer products CEO into taking a piss after he'd downed a pitcher of free martinis.

The advertisers are fleeing because they have seen for themselves that Beck is nuts, and they don't want to be associated with him.

63 crimeshark  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 1:21:12pm

OK. He's a fool. But why are we celebrating a boycott intended to force someone off the air? I may disagree with, well- pretty much everything he says AND the way he says it, but I'm getting a bit uncomfortable with this whole thing.

When they come for the fools and dolts, should we fail to speak up because we are not fools and dolts? Moreover, should we encourage those who propose to silence those they consider foolish?

Beck should be off the air. But he should be forced off because of ratings, not some politically motivated boycott.

64 CommonCents  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 1:21:50pm

re: #55 lawhawk

after the pair assaulted their staff staff

An assault on the staff staff is an assault on all staffs.

65 tradewind  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 1:21:52pm
I think they all come back in the end...


[Link: newsbusters.org...]

66 Digital Display  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 1:22:01pm

re: #62 Shiplord Kirel

An obscure lefty group like Color of Change couldn't "pressure" the average consumer products CEO into taking a piss after he'd downed a pitcher of free martinis.

The advertisers are fleeing because they have seen for themselves that Beck is nuts, and they don't want to be associated with him.

OMGHIAFC Symdrom

67 [deleted]  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 1:22:02pm
68 SasquatchOnSteroids  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 1:22:08pm

re: #48 Erik The Red

I got my future BIL the same card last week. My sister is a 44 supporter. I hope they get married but I will need to keep him on "my side" of the political sphere.

That's cool that you like him.
One of my B-I-L's is a Pauler. He's a load of fun at gatherings.
Three cats with a ball of yarn are we with that boy.

69 Neutral President  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 1:22:10pm

re: #56 Dianna

It's so strange - prior to these threads, I don't believe I'd ever heard of Beck. It makes me a little queasy.

How many other nuts are out there with influential shows I've never heard of? I honestly thought rationality had reached its nadir when Ghost Hunters, The Ghost Whisperer and Medium hit television. Then I started hearing about Olberman and Beck.

At least Ghost Whisperer and Medium are honest about being fiction. Ghost Hunters and those 2 kooks you mentioned aren't.

70 Occasional Reader  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 1:22:10pm

Gotta go.

71 lawhawk  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 1:22:25pm

re: #60 Occasional Reader

I see you were a "Batman" t.v. series devotee as a kid, too.

Who wasn't?!

Alliteration is my name. Wordsmithing is my game.

72 Spare O'Lake  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 1:23:01pm

re: #34 Charles

Advertisers aren't "bowing to pressure" -- they're taking a principled stand against Beck's extremist statements. I'm not in favor of boycotts in general, but no company is going to pull their ads just because Color of Change "pressured" them.

Glenn Beck said something disgusting, and this is the consequence of it.

How do we know that the corporations are taking a principled stand and not bowing to pressure? After all, they are in business to make money, and if they were so principled then why didn't they pull their ads on their own initiative?

73 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 1:23:18pm

re: #53 CommonCents

Glenn Beck is a God! What's the matter with you people?!

You say this as a joke, but there are people out there who believe this in their heart of hearts. Whether they admit it to themselves or not, they worship Beck, and think he is without sin.

74 [deleted]  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 1:23:35pm
75 Charles Johnson  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 1:23:40pm

re: #63 crimeshark

OK. He's a fool. But why are we celebrating a boycott intended to force someone off the air?

Who's celebrating? Please point out these celebrations that only you seem to be able to perceive.

When they come for the fools and dolts, should we fail to speak up because we are not fools and dolts?

If you're expecting me to stand up and defend Glenn Beck against this boycott, I hope you aren't holding your breath.

76 Digital Display  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 1:23:48pm

re: #66 HoosierHoops

OMGHIAFC Symdrom

Whoops..I meant to hit spellcheck...Sorry...I know the post now makes absolutely no sense...Jeez

77 drcordell  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 1:24:10pm

re: #63 crimeshark

OK. He's a fool. But why are we celebrating a boycott intended to force someone off the air? I may disagree with, well- pretty much everything he says AND the way he says it, but I'm getting a bit uncomfortable with this whole thing.

When they come for the fools and dolts, should we fail to speak up because we are not fools and dolts? Moreover, should we encourage those who propose to silence those they consider foolish?

Beck should be off the air. But he should be forced off because of ratings, not some politically motivated boycott.

Taking away someone's nationally televised platform for hate speech isn't "silencing" them. Beck is free to say whatever he wants to say. But he isn't free to have a nationally televised hate speech hour. Taking away his megaphone isn't silencing him. It's simply relegating him to Free Republic where he belongs.

78 deacon  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 1:24:51pm

re: #1 Ben Hur

How many advertisers can this guy possibly have?

His show is just an hour.


It is actually misleading. These are not people that are "dropping" their advertising on Beck. They are merely signing a statement saying that they will not advertise there.

79 Charles Johnson  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 1:24:54pm

re: #62 Shiplord Kirel

An obscure lefty group like Color of Change couldn't "pressure" the average consumer products CEO into taking a piss after he'd downed a pitcher of free martinis.

The advertisers are fleeing because they have seen for themselves that Beck is nuts, and they don't want to be associated with him.

Exactly right.

80 [deleted]  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 1:25:40pm
81 debutaunt  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 1:25:44pm

re: #50 Occasional Reader

It's the "pledged" bit. As opposed to, "thank you for bringing this to our attention, have a nice day", and they they decide what they want to do. It seems to put this (apparently) left-wing group in the driver's seat. And yeah, then I wonder, fresh from this triumph, what will their next boycott target be?

Probably a left wing target just to be balanced?

82 unrealizedviewpoint  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 1:26:00pm

re: #75 Charles

If you're expecting me to stand up and defend Glenn Beck against this boycott, I hope you aren't holding your breath.

Understood. Not unlike many here who won't stand to defend Van Jones against the Truther signing.

83 Danny  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 1:26:03pm

re: #63 crimeshark

OK. He's a fool. But why are we celebrating a boycott intended to force someone off the air?

If/when he's finally off the air, I'm buyin drinks for the house!

84 freetoken  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 1:26:15pm

It should be noted that what are being boycotted are advertisers on Fox News, targeted towards the Glenn Beck program. Beck of course himself isn't directly paid by these companies. The question is whether Fox has really lost any revenues.

Beck's personal money bags, so to speak, is seen on his website. There the major advertiser, like on most of the ClearChannel personalities' websites, is the very same gold bullion company behind so many of the fringe-wingers.

85 Erik The Red  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 1:26:56pm

re: #77 drcordell

Taking away someone's nationally televised platform for hate speech isn't "silencing" them. Beck is free to say whatever he wants to say. But he isn't free to have a nationally televised hate speech hour. Taking away his megaphone isn't silencing him. It's simply relegating him to Free Republic where he belongs.

Last I looked we still live in the USA. Not the USSR. "Not Free"???

86 Shiplord Kirel  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 1:27:17pm

re: #84 freetoken

It should be noted that what are being boycotted are advertisers on Fox News, targeted towards the Glenn Beck program. Beck of course himself isn't directly paid by these companies. The question is whether Fox has really lost any revenues.

Beck's personal money bags, so to speak, is seen on his website. There the major advertiser, like on most of the ClearChannel personalities' websites, is the very same gold bullion company behind so many of the fringe-wingers.

Beck is raking millions on his books, too.

87 reloadingisnotahobby  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 1:27:32pm

Beck lost me when he said:" Ponder these in your hearts to find if they are true"...
Thought I was standing at my front door with a youngster LDS
Missionary trying to hand me the Book of Mormon!
No ofence to my LDS Brethern...Lizards!

88 Flyovercountry  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 1:27:36pm

Being at work when this idiot is on T.V. has its disadvantages. I usually have to wait for Jim Kramer to see a nightly psychotic breakdown live in my living room. Now, thanks to LGF, I can see Beck do it daily, (albeit, not quite live.) Please don't take him off the air, the entertainment value is just too good.

89 Dianna  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 1:27:43pm

re: #69 ArchangelMichael

At least Ghost Whisperer and Medium are honest about being fiction. Ghost Hunters and those 2 kooks you mentioned aren't.

You're right - my issue is that they promote an irrational view of the universe.

But, hey, it's no worse than some of Paul Krugman's articles. Or some books I enjoy.

90 Charles Johnson  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 1:27:44pm

re: #84 freetoken

It should be noted that what are being boycotted are advertisers on Fox News, targeted towards the Glenn Beck program. Beck of course himself isn't directly paid by these companies. The question is whether Fox has really lost any revenues.

Beck's personal money bags, so to speak, is seen on his website. There the major advertiser, like on most of the ClearChannel personalities' websites, is the very same gold bullion company behind so many of the fringe-wingers.

Bingo. I've often wondered why so many of the fringe right wing sites have ads for gold. It's a weird and slightly creepy connection.

91 tradewind  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 1:27:55pm

re: #54 Westward Ho

I'll take Scumbag for a thousand, Alex.
Levi's meal ticket told him to take a hike, and so he's whoring himself out to the media who wouldn't be giving him a look at all if they didn't hate Palin with a passion.
What he's too stupid to realize is that they're setting him up to dump his rear end hard, and it's not going to be pretty.

92 ckb  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 1:27:59pm

OT: How about a thread about a kooky Democrat?

[Link: www.foxnews.com...]

(It's only slightly ironic that this is one of the Czar's Beck went on about.)

93 unrealizedviewpoint  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 1:28:21pm

re: #77 drcordell

Taking away someone's nationally televised platform for hate speech isn't "silencing" them. Beck is free to say whatever he wants to say. But he isn't free to have a nationally televised hate speech hour. Taking away his megaphone isn't silencing him. It's simply relegating him to Free Republic where he belongs.

ahhh, I see drcordell has arrived to argue the merits of The Fairness Doctrine.

94 wrenchwench  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 1:28:26pm

re: #80 buzzsawmonkey

The John Birch Society by the Chad Mitchell Trio.

Thanks for linking that (again.) I was raised on the Chad Mitchell Trio and Allan Sherman.

95 freetoken  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 1:29:18pm

re: #86 Shiplord Kirel

He has discovered many money-streams. Beck would be probably be a good MLM guy... wait, maybe he is a MLM guy?

96 Spare O'Lake  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 1:29:24pm

re: #79 Charles

Exactly right.

If that is correct then the boycott is an irrelevancy and the advertisers are acting independently.
Which would be just fine with me - except I see no factual basis for that conclusion.
The story is the boycott, but suddenly there is really no boycott...I just don't know about that, Charles.

97 SixDegrees  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 1:29:36pm

re: #85 Erik The Red

Last I looked we still live in the USA. Not the USSR. "Not Free"???

I think the point is that the Constitution guarantees freedom of speech - but it doesn't guarantee the speaker a podium or listeners. Removing Beck from the airwaves isn't a Constitutional breech of his right to say whatever he pleases no matter how far you stretch things.

98 Dianna  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 1:29:45pm

re: #75 Charles

I don't expect you to defend Beck. But I do share crimeshark's uneasiness.

But if this were all easy, LGF would have six readers who made 12 comments each in a day.

99 drcordell  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 1:30:00pm

re: #85 Erik The Red

Last I looked we still live in the USA. Not the USSR. "Not Free"???

By "isn't free" I simply mean to say that national television shows are not a right. Beck is not entitled to a television show. His rights to free speech are not being trampled on by pulling his TV show because of his incendiary comments. There is a difference between having the right to say something and a guaranteed national platform to say that something.

100 ckb  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 1:30:11pm

re: #90 Charles

Bingo. I've often wondered why so many of the fringe right wing sites have ads for gold. It's a weird and slightly creepy connection.

It also appears to be the outfit Beck is a radio advert spokesman for.

101 [deleted]  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 1:30:13pm
102 KingKenrod  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 1:30:21pm

I predict a career path for Beck that approximates the path of Morton Downey Jr. Eventually he will do something so stupid or embarassing that people will refuse to admit they ever watched him at all.

103 experiencedtraveller  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 1:30:31pm

There are many really disgusting, 'satirical' websites from the left attacking Glenn Beck.

And that doesn't contribute to healthy discourse.

104 Charles Johnson  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 1:30:33pm

re: #85 Erik The Red

Last I looked we still live in the USA. Not the USSR. "Not Free"???

That's one of the most blatant out-of-context quotes I've ever seen.

105 Kosh's Shadow  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 1:30:36pm

re: #43 flyovercountry

Hollywood, with a year's supply of LSD couldn't come up with the stuff Beck is spouting. These guys shouldn't boycott it, they should take notes and make tons of money turning it into movies. Think of the possibilities, "Sekrit Oligarhy mutants from Nirtherville," "The 150 Foot Tall Hitler Nephews in drag marching on Tokyo." This man is like a Felini Nightmare in prime time. It doesn't get any better.

Do you write for The Onion?

106 jcm  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 1:30:38pm

re: #63 crimeshark

OK. He's a fool. But why are we celebrating a boycott intended to force someone off the air? I may disagree with, well- pretty much everything he says AND the way he says it, but I'm getting a bit uncomfortable with this whole thing.

When they come for the fools and dolts, should we fail to speak up because we are not fools and dolts? Moreover, should we encourage those who propose to silence those they consider foolish?

Beck should be off the air. But he should be forced off because of ratings, not some politically motivated boycott.

It's not a 1st amend issue.

Beck is free to say what he wants.
Color of change is free to organize a boycott.
Advertisers are free to advertise when and where they choose.
Fox is free to keep or fire Beck.

It's all part of the marketplace of ideas.

107 Shiplord Kirel  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 1:30:42pm

re: #85 Erik The Red

Last I looked we still live in the USA. Not the USSR. "Not Free"???

Erik, the Constitution guarantees freedom of speech. It does not guarantee access to the forum of one's choice, nor does it guarantee the right an audience, the right to profit from one's opinions, or the right to be taken seriously. I have been telling lefties this for years, ie Dixie Chicks. It is time for our side to get the message too.

108 Dianna  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 1:30:50pm

re: #81 debutaunt

Probably a left wing target just to be balanced?

Oh, please, let's not. Eeep!

109 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 1:30:52pm

re: #77 drcordell

Taking away someone's nationally televised platform for hate speech isn't "silencing" them. Beck is free to say whatever he wants to say. But he isn't free to have a nationally televised hate speech hour. Taking away his megaphone isn't silencing him. It's simply relegating him to Free Republic where he belongs.

I'm very sorry, but I disagree. The only organization, governmental or non, with the right to take Beck off of his program is Foxnews.

The government does not regulate political content. It does regulate obscenity, so if Beck gets nekkid or brings on nekkid people, they can act. Otherwise, as long as Foxnews is willing, he can broadcast.

(Full disclosure: I don't own a television, so I can't watch.)

110 Dancing along the light of day  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 1:30:54pm

re: #55 lawhawk

"Libyan Liberace of lunacy, Mumar Khadafi"

Too funny! I'm sitting here LOL!

111 tradewind  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 1:31:03pm

re: #77 drcordell

But he isn't free to have a nationally televised hate speech hour


Really? Doesn't seem to be a dealbreaker for Olbermann or Matthews, or Joy Behar ...not to mention Reverend Wright or even... Van Jones, who is all over YouTube calling Republicans ' Assholes'.
TOTUS, reaching out to the other side, one Czar at a time.

112 CommonCents  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 1:32:04pm

re: #77 drcordell

Taking away someone's nationally televised platform for hate speech isn't "silencing" them. Beck is free to say whatever he wants to say. But he isn't free to have a nationally televised hate speech hour. Taking away his megaphone isn't silencing him. It's simply relegating him to Free Republic where he belongs.

A couple pro's and con's on that statement...
a) he is free to have a nationally televised hour long show, heck I'm free to have a show if anyone will air it
b) it isn't "hate speech" which I would be interested in hearing your definition of that term, it's merely hot air, distortion and disinformation (not all of it, there's sprinkles of truth in his rants)
c) I agree with what you that it's not "silencing" him if Fox chose not to air his program. He can still stand in the street and yell the same thing

113 unrealizedviewpoint  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 1:32:07pm

re: #98 Dianna

I don't expect you to defend Beck. But I do share crimeshark's uneasiness.

But if this were all easy, LGF would have six readers who made 12 comments each in a day.

Like Hate2.0 who can't comprehend the concept of diversity of opinion?

114 DaddyG  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 1:32:19pm

re: #80 buzzsawmonkey

The John Birch Society by the Chad Mitchell Trio.

"There's no one left but thee and we and we're not sure of thee". Classic!

115 John Neverbend  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 1:32:32pm

re: #78 deacon

It is actually misleading. These are not people that are "dropping" their advertising on Beck. They are merely signing a statement saying that they will not advertise there.

If that's the case, what effect could this conceivably have on Beck and his show?

116 Dianna  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 1:32:43pm

re: #88 Flyovercountry

I'm almost afraid to ask, but...before I google, who is Jim Kramer?

117 Erik The Red  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 1:32:54pm

re: #99 drcordell

By "isn't free" I simply mean to say that national television shows are not a right. Beck is not entitled to a television show. His rights to free speech are not being trampled on by pulling his TV show because of his incendiary comments. There is a difference between having the right to say something and a guaranteed national platform to say that something.

I disagree with just about your whole comment. I need to do homework with my girls right now. Will revisit this later if it is still a topic.

118 Spare O'Lake  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 1:33:04pm

re: #84 freetoken

It should be noted that what are being boycotted are advertisers on Fox News, targeted towards the Glenn Beck program. Beck of course himself isn't directly paid by these companies. The question is whether Fox has really lost any revenues.

Beck's personal money bags, so to speak, is seen on his website. There the major advertiser, like on most of the ClearChannel personalities' websites, is the very same gold bullion company behind so many of the fringe-wingers.

Please explain how it is possible that Fox is not losing ad revenue when advertisers pull their ads.

119 [deleted]  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 1:33:23pm
120 drcordell  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 1:33:28pm

re: #111 tradewind

Really? Doesn't seem to be a dealbreaker for Olbermann or Matthews, or Joy Behar ...not to mention Reverend Wright or even... Van Jones, who is all over YouTube calling Republicans ' Assholes'.
TOTUS, reaching out to the other side, one Czar at a time.

Olbermann, Matthews and Behar aren't on TV vomiting up conspiracy theories about FEMA concentration camps. They're the left-leaning equivalents of Bill O'Reilly. Incendiary but mostly harmless. As far as Van Jones, YouTube is a free forum where you can post whatever you want.

121 SixDegrees  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 1:34:03pm

re: #109 EmmmieG

I'm very sorry, but I disagree. The only organization, governmental or non, with the right to take Beck off of his program is Foxnews.

The government does not regulate political content. It does regulate obscenity, so if Beck gets nekkid or brings on nekkid people, they can act. Otherwise, as long as Foxnews is willing, he can broadcast.

(Full disclosure: I don't own a television, so I can't watch.)

No one is saying otherwise. The boycott, in fact, is directly targeting Fox in an attempt to pressure them into removing Beck from the airwaves. No government involvement whatsoever.

Frankly, I'd think the current Administration would be doing everything it can to keep Beck on the air. You can't buy advertising that makes the GOP look more ridiculous than what Beck puts on the air and stains the party with every time he appears.

122 drcordell  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 1:34:34pm

re: #117 Erik The Red

I disagree with just about your whole comment. I need to do homework with my girls right now. Will revisit this later if it is still a topic.

You think its written somewhere in the Constitution that everyone is entitled to have their views broadcast to millions of homes?

123 Kosh's Shadow  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 1:34:55pm

re: #120 drcordell

Olbermann, Matthews and Behar aren't on TV vomiting up conspiracy theories about FEMA concentration camps. They're the left-leaning equivalents of Bill O'Reilly. Incendiary but mostly harmless. As far as Van Jones, YouTube is a free forum where you can post whatever you want.

Unless it is pro-Israel, then the anti-Israel crowd gets it removed.

124 Danny  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 1:34:59pm

In the market place of ideas, some people go bust.

125 lawhawk  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 1:35:11pm

re: #85 Erik The Red

Last I looked we still live in the USA. Not the USSR. "Not Free"???

He's got a right to speech guaranteed by the government. His airtime is via a private corporation. If that corporation decides to pull his show, that's not a violation of his free speech.

He can still spread his nonsense on a street corner. Or on YouTube.

126 DaddyG  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 1:35:12pm

I am free to think anyone is an idiot and wise enough to know that I'm probably one too.

127 CommonCents  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 1:35:16pm

re: #117 Erik The Red

I disagree with just about your whole comment. I need to do homework with my girls right now. Will revisit this later if it is still a topic.

Let the "village" teach your kids Erik. You can stay on the indoctrination web a little longer.
/

128 debutaunt  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 1:35:21pm

re: #99 drcordell

By "isn't free" I simply mean to say that national television shows are not a right. Beck is not entitled to a television show. His rights to free speech are not being trampled on by pulling his TV show because of his incendiary comments. There is a difference between having the right to say something and a guaranteed national platform to say that something.

Who decides?

129 tradewind  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 1:35:31pm

re: #115 John Neverbend

See Cramer's report on Unilever, which decided they would advertise everywhere ... at the end of the quarter, their results were up. Companies that placed ads in response to the offended-group-of-the-day did not have equally good results.

130 wrenchwench  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 1:35:35pm

re: #90 Charles

Bingo. I've often wondered why so many of the fringe right wing sites have ads for gold. It's a weird and slightly creepy connection.

The gold hawkers are the "End the Fed" crowd. The first guy on this list wrote a book that's been advertised on Limbaugh's show, and was recommended to me by someone who used to post here. When I got to the part about the Rothschilds and the Rockefellers being responsible for all financial problems everywhere, I quit reading it. Turns out he's a major Bircher.

(Heck of a list, isn't it?)

131 unrealizedviewpoint  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 1:35:40pm

re: #122 drcordell

You think its written somewhere in the Constitution that everyone is entitled to have their views broadcast to millions of homes?

See, I told ya - The fairness Doctrine.

132 Charles Johnson  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 1:35:41pm

re: #121 SixDegrees

No one is saying otherwise. The boycott, in fact, is directly targeting Fox in an attempt to pressure them into removing Beck from the airwaves. No government involvement whatsoever.

Frankly, I'd think the current Administration would be doing everything it can to keep Beck on the air. You can't buy advertising that makes the GOP look more ridiculous than what Beck puts on the air and stains the party with every time he appears.

Every major GOP politician has appeared on Glenn Beck's show, and Sarah Palin explicitly promotes him at her Facebook page. The GOP is way off the rails, and there's no better illustration of it than their embrace of Glenn Beck John Birch Society-inspired craziness.

133 Shiplord Kirel  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 1:36:06pm

re: #109 EmmmieG

I'm very sorry, but I disagree. The only organization, governmental or non, with the right to take Beck off of his program is Foxnews.

The government does not regulate political content. It does regulate obscenity, so if Beck gets nekkid or brings on nekkid people, they can act. Otherwise, as long as Foxnews is willing, he can broadcast.

(Full disclosure: I don't own a television, so I can't watch.)

The government has nothing to do with this. Fox News does indeed have the call on this issue. If Fox News decides that Beck's show is unprofitable because he can't draw advertising, they can decide to drop it. They don't have to, but that is how free enterprise works.

134 DaddyG  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 1:36:14pm

The society for the preservation of wooden toilet seats.

The Birch John Society.

135 drcordell  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 1:36:24pm

re: #118 Spare O'Lake

Please explain how it is possible that Fox is not losing ad revenue when advertisers pull their ads.

Well, if you read the finer print of news of the boycott, it seems that many advertisers are simply telling Fox they do not wish to have their ads broadcast during Beck's show. So the company is still advertising with Fox News, they simply want their ad buy to air on any show but Beck's.

136 debutaunt  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 1:36:42pm

re: #108 Dianna

Oh, please, let's not. Eeep!

Really!!!

137 drcordell  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 1:36:42pm

re: #123 Kosh's Shadow

Unless it is pro-Israel, then the anti-Israel crowd gets it removed.

What?

138 [deleted]  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 1:36:56pm
139 Neutral President  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 1:36:58pm

re: #102 KingKenrod

I predict a career path for Beck that approximates the path of Morton Downey Jr. Eventually he will do something so stupid or embarassing that people will refuse to admit they ever watched him at all.

You mean he doesn't do this on a daily basis already?

140 reloadingisnotahobby  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 1:37:15pm

re: #118 Spare O'Lake

I would think advertisers are contractually obligated to a certian extent.
Their adds may run till the contract expires or is nullified by
Fox or the Advertiser...Loop holes may exist in the mice type for bailing early?
Who know?

141 Dianna  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 1:37:47pm

re: #113 unrealizedviewpoint

Like Hate2.0 who can't comprehend the concept of diversity of opinion?

I don't know anything about it, and I think it's probably a bad idea to discuss it.

142 unrealizedviewpoint  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 1:37:52pm

re: #122 drcordell

You think its written somewhere in the Constitution that everyone is entitled to have their views broadcast to millions of homes?

Yes. it's called the 1st Amendment. And govt control of the public airwaves doesn't give govt the right to silence anyone just because they don't like the message.

143 greygandalf  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 1:37:53pm

I am just curious if this matters to a large degree at Fox. If he keeps bringing in the ratings. At some point I guess they would have to be down to very few advertisers. But how would we ever know when that is the case. Fox probably has thousands of companies interested in advertising.

144 DaddyG  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 1:38:08pm

re: #139 ArchangelMichael

You mean he doesn't do this on a daily basis already?


The tolerence level on stupid has made a sharp upward rise in the last few decades. It talkes a lot these days to distinguish one's self from the crowd.

145 drcordell  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 1:38:22pm

re: #131 unrealizedviewpoint

See, I told ya - The fairness Doctrine.

Not sure where the fairness doctrine is coming from? This entire boycott has nothing to do with any government action. It's purely the free market in action. Businesses are sensing that an association with Beck is going to cost them money, so they're pulling their advertising.

146 jcm  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 1:38:29pm

re: #134 DaddyG

The society for the preservation of wooden toilet seats.

The Birch John Society.

Splinter Group!

147 Kosh's Shadow  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 1:38:39pm

re: #137 drcordell

What?

There have been many pro-Israel videos removed from youtube. The IDF had some removed during Operation Cast Lead, but managed to get them put back.
But the jihadis can call for destruction of the US and Israel and those don't get removed.
This has been discussed in LGF as it happened; I don't have the immediate references.

148 tradewind  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 1:38:39pm

re: #116 Dianna

[Link: www.cnbc.com...]

149 SixDegrees  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 1:38:43pm

re: #132 Charles

Every major GOP politician has appeared on Glenn Beck's show, and Sarah Palin explicitly promotes him at her Facebook page. The GOP is way off the rails, and there's no better illustration of it than their embrace of Glenn Beck John Birch Society-inspired craziness.

Someone needs to look into Beck's money trail. It wouldn't be at all surprising to find George Soros plugged into it somewhere.

It's one thing when your opposition is freaking out on a sparse, individual basis. When they start doing it regularly, as a group, on national television, that's pure gold.

150 aggieann  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 1:38:50pm

re: #53 CommonCents

Glenn Beck is a God! What's the matter with you people?!

So Obama doesn't like the competition?

151 deacon  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 1:38:56pm

re: #115 John Neverbend


The effect it will have is perception. By stating as they are that x number of advertisers have "dropped" it creates a nice headline and will create a perception that they are hoping will generate a greater impact. Such as increasing contributions and giving them the sembalance of a creditable organization that gets things done.

152 drcordell  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 1:39:06pm

re: #142 unrealizedviewpoint

Yes. it's called the 1st Amendment. And govt control of the public airwaves doesn't give govt the right to silence anyone just because they don't like the message.

Bwahahahaha. So the first amendment states that everyone gets an hour-long show on cable? Really?

153 J.D.  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 1:39:08pm

re: #140 reloadingisnotahobby

Loop holes may exist in the mice type for bailing early?
Who know?


I would guess you are correct about that.
You probably have to pay even if you pull the ads.

Anyone know?

154 Charles Johnson  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 1:39:21pm

re: #143 greygandalf

I am just curious if this matters to a large degree at Fox. If he keeps bringing in the ratings. At some point I guess they would have to be down to very few advertisers. But how would we ever know when that is the case. Fox probably has thousands of companies interested in advertising.

When this many large well-known national companies say they won't advertise on a Fox News show, you'd better believe it gets the suits' attention.

155 Dianna  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 1:39:35pm

re: #124 Danny

In the market place of ideas, some people go bust.

Now that is a profound and correct observation. I felt like it bore repetition.

156 Kosh's Shadow  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 1:39:37pm

re: #146 jcm

Splinter Group!

I wish the John Birch assholes many splinters.

157 DaddyG  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 1:39:42pm

re: #146 jcm

Splinter Group!


That would be a pain in the ...

158 freetoken  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 1:39:48pm

re: #118 Spare O'Lake

Please explain how it is possible that Fox is not losing ad revenue when advertisers pull their ads.

They just sell that time to somebody else.

In our current economic state Fox may not get as much per minute as they have in the past, but there will always be companies who want to reach the couple of million viewers or so that running an Advert on prime time on Fox brings.

Until we see Fox comment on how all of this is affecting them, I'm assuming that these announcements by companies are best consigned to "moral" victories.

159 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 1:39:54pm

To be clear, the issue is who "they" are that can pull Beck's program. drcordell, please be clear on this. Who do you think has the power to pull him off the air? (For political ideas, not obscenity.)

160 Erik The Red  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 1:40:03pm

re: #122 drcordell

You think its written somewhere in the Constitution that everyone is entitled to have their views broadcast to millions of homes?

It is written no were and thank goodness for that. I hate GB's voice, facial expression and his show 100%. I turn Fox off at 5:00 and his radio station gets turned off when he is on.

Let the free market decided whether he has a show or not. No listeners=No show. Easy. For you to say that "He is not entitled to a show" is against everything this great country stands for.

161 unrealizedviewpoint  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 1:40:19pm

re: #145 drcordell

Not sure where the fairness doctrine is coming from? This entire boycott has nothing to do with any government action. It's purely the free market in action. Businesses are sensing that an association with Beck is going to cost them money, so they're pulling their advertising.

You don't know where it's coming from. How about this that you just said:

#122 drcordell
You think its written somewhere in the Constitution that everyone is entitled to have their views broadcast to millions of homes?

162 tradewind  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 1:40:29pm

re: #120 drcordell

What planet are you inhabiting?
Or maybe you just haven't caught any of their shows lately.
And Van Jones may have the ' right', but he represents the administration, and therefore, supposedly is answerable to the entire public. Calling fifty percent of them assholes on national television is hardly beneficial.

163 drcordell  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 1:40:29pm

re: #149 SixDegrees

Someone needs to look into Beck's money trail. It wouldn't be at all surprising to find George Soros plugged into it somewhere.

I started laughing so hard at first that I didn't realize you weren't kidding. Glenn Beck is now a sekrit democrat? HahaAHhahaahahhahahahahahah

164 freetoken  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 1:40:49pm

I'm saying that there is a large market in this country for what Beck is selling...

165 jcm  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 1:40:58pm

re: #157 DaddyG

That would be a pain in the ...

Which the JBers are!

166 Danny  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 1:41:19pm

re: #164 freetoken

I'm saying that there is a large market in this country for what Beck is selling...

Exactly. Beck knows it, too.

167 Dancing along the light of day  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 1:41:19pm

re: #130 wrenchwench

That's quite a collection of people, there...
YIKES!

168 jcm  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 1:41:32pm

re: #156 Kosh's Shadow

I wish the John Birch assholes many splinters.

Ding!

169 Kosh's Shadow  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 1:41:49pm

re: #164 freetoken

I'm saying that there is a large market in this country for what Beck is selling...

Some people believe it; some just want to watch a "conservative" nutcase. It can be entertaining to some people.

170 tradewind  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 1:42:32pm

re: #160 Erik The Red

Amen. I couldn't sit through an entire hour of Beck if I had to, but I would defend his right to have a show if the ratings support it. Just as I support that World's Worst Person Olbermann's right to have a show.

171 Shiplord Kirel  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 1:42:52pm

re: #142 unrealizedviewpoint

Yes. it's called the 1st Amendment. And govt control of the public airwaves doesn't give govt the right to silence anyone just because they don't like the message.

Again, the government has nothing to do with this. Broadcasters can pull the plug on their own shows any time they like, and for any reason they like.
When I was a newspaper editor, fuzzy-minded types would sometimes write in to complain that I was guilty of "censorship" for not running whatever they thought I should run. If I couldn't decide what appeared in my own paper, what had beome of my rights or my publisher's rights? Who did get to decide what we published? The tooth fairy?

172 Charles Johnson  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 1:43:16pm

re: #170 tradewind

Amen. I couldn't sit through an entire hour of Beck if I had to, but I would defend his right to have a show if the ratings support it. Just as I support that World's Worst Person Olbermann's right to have a show.

There is no "right to have a show."

173 SummerSong  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 1:43:22pm

Dude with bit off finger is on FOX now.

174 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 1:43:24pm

"The big questions in life are tough: Why are we here? Where are we from? Where are we going? But if people believe in asshole douchey liars like you, Glenn, we're never gonna find the real answer to those questions. You aren't just lying, you're slowing down the progress of all mankind, you douche!"

-modified Stan Marsh

175 reloadingisnotahobby  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 1:43:34pm

re: #170 tradewind

Keith Olbermann has a show??

176 Dianna  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 1:43:34pm

re: #148 tradewind

Does he usually scream like that?!

177 SixDegrees  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 1:43:34pm

re: #163 drcordell

I started laughing so hard at first that I didn't realize you weren't kidding. Glenn Beck is now a sekrit democrat? HahaAHhahaahahhahahahahahah

I doubt Beck is a deep-cover Left wing mole. But looking across the spectrum of political broadcasting, if I were a Democrat looking for someone to promote in hopes of staining the GOP opposition, Beck would be at or near the top of my list.

178 reloadingisnotahobby  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 1:44:07pm

re: #173 SummerSong

Hope he's not pulling a Rodney King...

179 J.D.  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 1:44:16pm

re: #173 SummerSong

Dude with bit off finger is on FOX now.

Who or what bit off his finger?

180 crimeshark  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 1:44:18pm

Charles:

Love the blog. I've been a reader for years- I don't comment much because I'm in court all day and I'm a bit short on time. To address your question, I have noticed that lately you have put up numerous posts tracing the flight of advertisers from Beck's show as a result of an organized boycott. Yes, Mr. Beck is a ranting phony who cries on cue. I was subjected to Mr. Beck at an otherwise perfectly nice NRA national meeting, so I've had more than my fill of him. But organized boycotts to force someone off the air because you don't agree with them is a terrible idea. And I'm sorry, but putting up all these posts about this boycott leaves the impression that you tacitly approve of these tactics because the guy's a jerk. I admit I get some small satisfaction from reading that his show may soon be circling the drain. But I have a big problem with how it's happening. It's just wrong to force someone off the air because you disagree with them. re: #75 Charles

181 drcordell  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 1:44:19pm

re: #160 Erik The Red

It is written no were and thank goodness for that. I hate GB's voice, facial expression and his show 100%. I turn Fox off at 5:00 and his radio station gets turned off when he is on.

Let the free market decided whether he has a show or not. No listeners=No show. Easy. For you to say that "He is not entitled to a show" is against everything this great country stands for.

We are saying exactly the same thing. I agree with you completely. "He is not entitled to a show" means exactly what you said, "let the free market decide whether he has a show or not."

Beck has a TV show, he says absurd things on it. A boycott is now materializing and advertisers are fleeing his show. My statement "he is not entitled to a show" was in response to people claiming that his first amendment rights are somehow being infringed upon by a boycott.

182 Dianna  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 1:44:25pm

re: #149 SixDegrees

Now, that's conspiratorial thinking of a superlative order!

183 greygandalf  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 1:44:32pm

re: #170 tradewind

Amen. I couldn't sit through an entire hour of Beck if I had to, but I would defend his right to have a show if the ratings support it. Just as I support that World's Worst Person Olbermann's right to have a show.

I was unaware there is a right to have a show. I invoke it! Having a show would be fun. I'll what for contact from the media.

184 Spare O'Lake  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 1:45:09pm

re: #132 Charles

Every major GOP politician has appeared on Glenn Beck's show, and Sarah Palin explicitly promotes him at her Facebook page. The GOP is way off the rails, and there's no better illustration of it than their embrace of Glenn Beck John Birch Society-inspired craziness.

You got that right.

185 tradewind  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 1:45:10pm

re: #171 Shiplord Kirel

On the editorial page, you can spout away and push any agenda you wish.
Supposedly, if you are truly editing a newspaper, the hard news should be published, however distasteful you may find it.
Then again, if you're actually Howell Raines, and this is just your nic...well, let the editorial be the lede, and all the news that fits, you print.

186 reloadingisnotahobby  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 1:45:23pm

re: #179 J.D.

Damn your late !!LOL

187 tradewind  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 1:45:26pm

re: #175 reloadingisnotahobby

Oh yeah.

188 unrealizedviewpoint  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 1:45:39pm

re: #171 Shiplord Kirel

I'm not debating that at all. I'm taking it to the next logical conclusion, the fairness doctrine. Many on the left (Pelosi, Reid et al) want a fairness doctrine. Undeniable.

189 DaddyG  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 1:45:47pm

There are a lot of people out there that depend on John Stewart and the National Enquirer for their "news". It doesn't surprise me that Fox and other networks blur the line between information and entertainment. Conservative or Liberal doesn't matter. The networks put up what will get them ratings. Even if Beck has a laundry list of people who say they won't advertise what will ultimately win is the number of eyes he draws and what Fox can charge advertisers for minutes.

Who is to blame? What do you spend your time watching? We get what we ask for in the marketplace.

190 jcm  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 1:45:48pm

re: #170 tradewind

Amen. I couldn't sit through an entire hour of Beck if I had to, but I would defend his right to have a show if the ratings support it. Just as I support that World's Worst Person Olbermann's right to have a show.

I would refine it a tad, they don't have a "right" to a show. If somebody wants to give them a soap box, it's fine with me. But when the "somebody" wants the soap box back, no rights are being violated.

Everyone has the right to speak, but not to a soapbox.

191 snowcrash  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 1:46:09pm

re: #173 SummerSong

His finger is gone! His finger can't be reattached. How awful.

192 SasquatchOnSteroids  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 1:46:12pm

There's ridiculousness on all sides right now.
The side that has a lock on bills (and the future of this country) if they had the fortitude is worrying me more right now.
Beck's a whack-a-mole to me right now, crack him when he pops his goofy head up.

193 SixDegrees  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 1:46:24pm

re: #182 Dianna

Now, that's conspiratorial thinking of a superlative order!

I just say what the voices in my head tell me to say.

194 Kosh's Shadow  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 1:46:26pm

re: #170 tradewind

Amen. I couldn't sit through an entire hour of Beck if I had to, but I would defend his right to have a show if the ratings support it. Just as I support that World's Worst Person Olbermann's right to have a show.

Can I have a show, too? I'll stand there in my Vorlon encounter suit, with my insectoidal Shadow, and say cryptic things like
Understanding is a three-edged sword
At the hour of scampering
Ah, you seek meaning. Then listen to the music, not the song.
The avalanche has already started. It is too late for the pebbles to vote.

And if the ratings go down, I'll drop hints that sometime, they'll get to see what a Vorlon looks like under the encounter suit.

195 J.D.  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 1:46:38pm

re: #186 reloadingisnotahobby

Damn your late !!LOL

Story of my life nowadays.

And to think I used to be the "Link Goddess."

*sigh*

196 CommonCents  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 1:46:44pm

re: #162 tradewind

What planet are you inhabiting?
Or maybe you just haven't caught any of their shows lately.
And Van Jones may have the ' right', but he represents the administration, and therefore, supposedly is answerable to the entire public

I haven't been paying attention in class. Is he a "czar" of something or an actual appointed official?

197 tradewind  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 1:46:48pm

re: #183 greygandalf

If you can sponsor it, I'm sure you have a right to air it. There's a network or cable network somewhere that with enough money, you can find a slot.

198 Danny  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 1:47:23pm

What is Ninefingers saying on Fox?

199 DaddyG  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 1:47:37pm

re: #173 SummerSong

Dude with bit off finger is on FOX now.

That was quick. Perhaps he can do the View with Evander Holyfield and discuss recovery from traumatic bite wounds.

200 SummerSong  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 1:47:57pm
201 tradewind  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 1:48:11pm

re: #194 Kosh's Shadow

Can I have a show, too?


Damn straight you can. If you can pay, you play. Buy yourself a network like Ted Turner, and knock yourself out.

202 Shiplord Kirel  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 1:48:26pm

First Amendment law holds that a newspaper's right of free speech resides with the publisher, the owner in effect. A broadcaster like Fox News is the TV analog of a publisher. It is they who have the right to run Beck's show if they so choose, or to pull the plug on it for whatever reason they think is appropriate. If Fox wants to cancel it because Rupert Murdoch doesn't like Beck's ties, that is their right, and no right of Beck's is being violated.

203 DaddyG  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 1:48:38pm

re: #191 snowcrash

His finger is gone! His finger can't be reattached. How awful.


It's just a pinky. We were gonna lose those to evolution (or intelligent design) in a few million years anyway. Just like our tonsis. /

205 drcordell  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 1:48:47pm

re: #198 Danny

What is Ninefingers saying on Fox?

Definitely not that his treatment at the hospital was covered by his Medicare. I'm sure he left that part out.

206 debutaunt  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 1:48:56pm

re: #191 snowcrash

His finger is gone! His finger can't be reattached. How awful.

The previous story said it was slapped right back on. It made no sense to me at all.

207 Charles Johnson  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 1:49:06pm

The guy whose finger was bitten off is now starting to sound like a complete loon.

208 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 1:49:09pm

re: #198 Danny

What is Ninefingers saying on Fox?

I am bad, bad, bad for posting this. Bad Emmie!

209 [deleted]  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 1:49:26pm
210 CyanSnowHawk  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 1:49:39pm

re: #180 crimeshark

Charles:

Love the blog. I've been a reader for years- I don't comment much...

I so thought this was going to be a flounce.

211 Dianna  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 1:49:42pm

re: #191 snowcrash

His finger is gone! His finger can't be reattached. How awful.

I thought his finger had been reattached?

212 John Neverbend  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 1:50:08pm

re: #194 Kosh's Shadow

Can I have a show, too? I'll stand there in my Vorlon encounter suit, with my insectoidal Shadow, and say cryptic things like
Understanding is a three-edged sword
At the hour of scampering
Ah, you seek meaning. Then listen to the music, not the song.
The avalanche has already started. It is too late for the pebbles to vote.

And if the ratings go down, I'll drop hints that sometime, they'll get to see what a Vorlon looks like under the encounter suit.

Don't forget to add, "If you go to Zahadum, you will die." Many people won't have a clue what it means, but it sounds rather profound.

213 Dreader1962  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 1:50:24pm

re: #207 Charles

The guy whose finger was bitten off is now starting to sound like a complete loon.

And I broke my boycott of Fox to watch about 1 minute of a worthless, self-serving 'interview'.

I'm not missing anything by not watching Fox, am I?

214 tradewind  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 1:50:25pm

re: #196 CommonCents
Oh,... now he's all vewwy vewwy sowwy!
[Link: www.foxnews.com...]

215 Shiplord Kirel  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 1:50:26pm

re: #185 tradewind

On the editorial page, you can spout away and push any agenda you wish.
Supposedly, if you are truly editing a newspaper, the hard news should be published, however distasteful you may find it.
Then again, if you're actually Howell Raines, and this is just your nic...well, let the editorial be the lede, and all the news that fits, you print.

This usually had to do with advertising and editorials. Even so, there is no constitutional requirement for objectivity in presenting hard news either, and nobody's rights are violated simply because we refuse them the coverage they want.

216 debutaunt  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 1:50:29pm

re: #203 DaddyG

It's just a pinky. We were gonna lose those to evolution (or intelligent design) in a few million years anyway. Just like our tonsis. /

But I really need my tonsis.

217 reloadingisnotahobby  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 1:50:38pm

re: #195 J.D.

Man #1 hit man #2 in the face
Man #2 Bites off man #1 's pinky finger...
All hell breaks loose in Gotham...Got it/

218 kcladderman  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 1:50:42pm

to me disagreeing with he is "not free to have a hour long show of hate filled speech" is not the same thing as saying he has a right to it.
No where is it written that he has a right to a television show, but he is free to have one and say or do whatever he wants as long as he does not violate FCC reg. We are also free not to watch him a freedom I exercise daily.

219 JarHeadLifer  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 1:50:50pm

re: #132 Charles

Every major GOP politician has appeared on Glenn Beck's show, and Sarah Palin explicitly promotes him at her Facebook page. The GOP is way off the rails, and there's no better illustration of it than their embrace of Glenn Beck John Birch Society-inspired craziness.


Perhaps they are. But, as far right - or just plain crazy as Beck is - doesn't mean the left and specifically the DNC and Obama White HOuse aren't "just as far off the rails" as the GOP.

When you've got a guy like Van Jones, a avowed communist and 9/11 Truther, working in a paid policy position in Obama's White House (who incidentally used to have a board position with the Color of Change), I think that there are PLENTY of "nut" labels to pass around, with no shortage of targets in either party. The problem is, the GOP is in complete opposition. It's the Democrats that control all the levers of Executive and Legislative power. So, it's their "nuts" that bother me the most right now.

As soon as Beck runs for office, I'll start losing some sleep over the idiocy that comes out of his mouth. Until then, I'm going to be keeping my eye on the whack-jobs that are spending this country into ruin and possibly inviting the next 9/11, through their incompetence and hubris.

220 J.D.  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 1:50:51pm

re: #200 SummerSong

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

Thanks.

I had a dental appointment this morning.

/Written excuse.

221 unrealizedviewpoint  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 1:50:52pm

re: #210 CyanSnowHawk

I so thought this was going to be a flounce.

I think he's a prosecutor. Guessing of course.

222 Dianna  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 1:51:00pm

re: #198 Danny

What is Ninefingers saying on Fox?

Oh, no. I blame you!

Now I'm thinking of "Frodo of the Nine Fingers and the Ring of Dooom" (and the extra o is there for a reason).

223 Neutral President  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 1:51:02pm

re: #208 EmmmieG

I was waiting for someone to mention Frodo of the Nine Fingers.

224 reloadingisnotahobby  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 1:51:16pm

re: #198 Danny

What is Ninefingers saying on Fox?

Your mean! LOL

225 drcordell  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 1:51:24pm

re: #209 buzzsawmonkey

The Van Jones "assholes" moment was crude and stupid, but more than that it was just plain weird.

Think about it.

Earnest Leftist Woman asks Jones how it could be that the Republicans, with only a few more than 50 votes in the Senate, could get a lot of legislation passed, but that the Democrats, with 60 Senators, could not. Jones' answer; "They're assholes." (Cue laughter, applause.)

Excuse me? The Republicans get legislation passed with a bare majority, the Democrats fail to do so with an overwhelming, filibuster-proof majority, and the Republicans are assholes?

Say rather, the Democrats are incompetent boobs incapable of unified action, whereas the Republicans were able to engage in the bipartisanship that the Democrats prate about but do not practice.

Bipartisanship what? You mean using reconciliation to pass their bills with a slim majority. It has everything to do with the fact that the GOP knows how to get their soldiers in line, whether it's behind a measure or in opposition to it. The Democrats can't manage to get anyone in the party to agree on anything. Whether its opposing GOP measures or supporting their own measures.

226 Dianna  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 1:51:33pm

re: #208 EmmmieG

I am bad, bad, bad for posting this. Bad Emmie!


You, too?!

227 tradewind  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 1:51:33pm

re: #215 Shiplord Kirel

That's true. Censor away.

228 Neutral President  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 1:51:38pm

re: #207 Charles

229 reloadingisnotahobby  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 1:51:48pm

re: #207 Charles

The guy whose finger was bitten off is now starting to sound like a complete loon.

I was afraid that would happen...

230 DaddyG  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 1:51:50pm

re: #216 debutaunt

But I really need my tonsis.

Preview is for wimps! Suck it up. /

231 Kosh's Shadow  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 1:52:04pm

re: #212 John Neverbend

Don't forget to add, "If you go to Zahadum, you will die." Many people won't have a clue what it means, but it sounds rather profound.

I'd save that for advice to my guests.

232 Spare O'Lake  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 1:52:25pm

re: #203 DaddyG

It's just a pinky. We were gonna lose those to evolution (or intelligent design) in a few million years anyway. Just like our tonsis. /

Not unless the keyboard goes away first.

233 SixDegrees  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 1:52:36pm

re: #207 Charles

The guy whose finger was bitten off is now starting to sound like a complete loon.

Well, given that he walked up to some guy and punched him in the face without reasonable provocation, I'd say that was already known.

But given that he was on the anti-Obama side of the protest, I'm guessing that by tomorrow we'll have a new Joe the Plumber for certain blogs to salivate over.

234 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 1:52:42pm

re: #19 Spare O'Lake


But organized political boycotts are very dangerous precisely because they involve organized efforts to defeat the free operation of the marketplace. To me this is not very different than political boycotts of Israeli goods by anti-Semites.

Clarify. I don't want people to boycott Israel because I think it's wrong, not because I think boycotts are an inherently bad idea.

What is 'the free operation of the market'? These people want to advertise their products. If they are convinced that their products look worse for being shown on Beck's show, they pull back. That's a market decision. There's also a moral aspect.

I'd be happier to see the companies doing this independently, but I don't think boycotts are a necessarily bad thing.

235 DANEgerus  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 1:52:46pm

Yet they advertise on MSNBC.

236 CommonCents  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 1:52:55pm

re: #207 Charles

The guy whose finger was bitten off is now starting to sound like a complete loon.

You could say he's a can short of a six-pack, or a finger short of a hand (a least a nub)

237 [deleted]  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 1:52:56pm
238 Digital Display  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 1:53:00pm

re: #207 Charles

The guy whose finger was bitten off is now starting to sound like a complete loon.

Health Care is all a diversion to take our eyes of the real intent...
Neil: If you knew you would get your finger bitten off would you still go?
Rice: Yes cause freedom isn't free...
LOLOLOL

239 y0kkles  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 1:53:03pm

Would any of these companies have boycotted a black TV or radio host for calling President Bush a racist who hates black people?

I think not.

Kayne West said the same thing basically and I don't recall any boycotts.

Double standard for sure.

But Beck has the right to free speech and so do these companies.

240 SasquatchOnSteroids  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 1:53:08pm

I wouldn't be able to have my afternoon tea without my pinky.

I so snooty.

241 debutaunt  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 1:53:34pm

re: #225 drcordell

That's just so sad.

242 Danny  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 1:53:49pm

re: #238 HoosierHoops

Did he seriously say that?

243 jcm  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 1:53:52pm

re: #203 DaddyG

It's just a pinky. We were gonna lose those to evolution (or intelligent design) in a few million years anyway. Just like our tonsis. /

What about tea time? Can't have tea time with a pinky!

244 drcordell  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 1:53:55pm

re: #237 buzzsawmonkey

So the Republicans understand and use the system, the Democrats are incapable of this, and that makes the Republicans "assholes"?

Frankly, it makes the Democrats look like jerks.

I think the "assholes" part of the equation was related to the fact that the GOP would call the sky green if Obama tried to pass legislation stating it was blue.

245 Kosh's Shadow  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 1:54:00pm

re: #240 SasquatchOnSteroids

I wouldn't be able to have my afternoon tea without my pinky.

I so snooty.

Well, I have nasty habits
I take tea at three.

246 reloadingisnotahobby  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 1:54:08pm

re: #206 debutaunt

Look!
I'm not a doctor but a play a Quack on TV...
Ya just don't slp things back on when they been ripped off!!
Slap...LOL

247 DaddyG  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 1:54:16pm

re: #232 Spare O'Lake

Not unless the keyboard goes away first.

You are sooo 20th century. All you need now are thumbs and some sort of fleshy pad to hold up the blackberry.

248 [deleted]  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 1:54:20pm
249 jcm  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 1:54:25pm

re: #243 jcm

What about tea time? Can't have tea time with a pinky!

without...
PIMF!

250 wrenchwench  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 1:54:32pm

re: #219 JarHeadLifer

As soon as Beck runs for office, I'll start losing some sleep over the idiocy that comes out of his mouth. Until then, I'm going to be keeping my eye on the whack-jobs that are spending this country into ruin and possibly inviting the next 9/11, through their incompetence and hubris.

Paying attention now will prevent Beck (or his ilk) from running for office, and help to ensure there are sane candidates to replace the incumbents.

Hyperventilating about the whack-jobs in office now extends their stay.

(I'm not saying you were hyperventilating...)

251 drcordell  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 1:55:20pm

re: #250 wrenchwench

Paying attention now will prevent Beck (or his ilk) from running for office, and help to ensure there are sane candidates to replace the incumbents.

Hyperventilating about the whack-jobs in office now extends their stay.

(I'm not saying you were hyperventilating...)

Hate to break it to you, but Michelle Bachmann's already in office.

252 Kosh's Shadow  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 1:55:22pm

re: #248 buzzsawmonkey

A moment of respectful silence for the late Johnny Carson.

All this stuff about the bitten-off finger and nobody has yet referenced the "Flying Fickle Finger of Fate."

Thank you
Say goodnight, Dick
Dick Martin: Goodnight, Dick.

253 Charles Johnson  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 1:55:51pm

re: #242 Danny

Did he seriously say that?

Yes, he did. He said the health care bill was "just a diversion while the government grabs what's left of our freedom."

254 unrealizedviewpoint  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 1:56:01pm

I offer up this logic: the reason for all the gold ads appearing on FOX during shows like Beck's is simply that's where the audience is. Doomsayers tune in to negative news programs like Beck's. Besides, in a bad economy gold tends to sell. I certainly don't think there's any conspiracy going on.

255 wrenchwench  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 1:56:11pm

re: #251 drcordell

Hate to break it to you, but Michelle Bachmann's already in office.

She is one of those who needs to be replaced.

256 DaddyG  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 1:56:13pm

re: #243 jcm

What about tea time? Can't have tea time with a pinky!

...and how is he going to scratch his ear?

257 J.D.  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 1:56:13pm

re: #217 reloadingisnotahobby

Thank you!

258 Digital Display  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 1:56:20pm

re: #248 buzzsawmonkey

A moment of respectful silence for the late Johnny Carson.

All this stuff about the bitten-off finger and nobody has yet referenced the "Flying Fickle Finger of Fate."

The Fiying fickle finger of fate was from laugh in...
Hi Buzz...Hope you are well

259 Dianna  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 1:56:59pm

re: #233 SixDegrees

'Twas the other side's fellow who crossed the street and confronted the bitee.

The bitee did, indeed, swing first.

Personally, I think everyone involved had his brain cooked and behaved abominably.

260 [deleted]  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 1:57:02pm
261 Shiplord Kirel  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 1:57:03pm

re: #227 tradewind

That's true. Censor away.

Two generations of media culture brainwashing have left people badly confused about this. It isn't censorship if the editor and publisher do it. It is their constitutional right to select their own material and nobody else's, just as it is your right to select what you say here.
Was I required to run the full text of the local UFO group's latest manifesto or an ad for a photographer who was on trial for running a prostitution ring (both actual cases)? If so, who sets this requirement and how do we know when it has been met?

262 drcordell  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 1:57:09pm

re: #255 wrenchwench

She is one of those who needs to be replaced.

Yeah, replaced is a mild way to put it.

263 greygandalf  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 1:57:13pm

re: #253 Charles

Yes, he did. He said the health care bill was "just a diversion while the government grabs what's left of our freedom."

15 mins of fame by losing a finger. A price some would be willing to pay I guess. Not me.

264 [deleted]  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 1:57:39pm
265 wrenchwench  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 1:57:40pm

re: #253 Charles

Yes, he did. He said the health care bill was "just a diversion while the government grabs what's left of our freedom fingers."

maybe I need a timeout.

266 jcm  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 1:58:04pm

re: #256 DaddyG

...and how is he going to scratch his ear?

I thought that was what car keys were for?

267 debutaunt  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 1:58:05pm

re: #246 reloadingisnotahobby

Look!
I'm not a doctor but a play a Quack on TV...
Ya just don't slp things back on when they been ripped off!!
Slap...LOL

No kidding. It was presented as bitten off, quick trip to the hospital and reattached, no problem, no foul. Unbelievable.

268 DEZes  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 1:58:27pm

re: #198 Danny

What is Ninefingers saying on Fox?

How strange is this, I cut off a finger at work yesterday.
16 hours at 2 hospitals, 2 titanium pins, and loads of stitches, Now its wait and see time.
And we are talking about missing fingers on LGF'

Hello Lizards.

269 DaddyG  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 1:58:30pm

re: #254 unrealizedviewpoint

I offer up this logic: the reason for all the gold ads appearing on FOX during shows like Beck's is simply that's where the audience is. Doomsayers tune in to negative news programs like Beck's. Besides, in a bad economy gold tends to sell. I certainly don't think there's any conspiracy going on.


Although the crank generated survival radios advertised heavily on the old Art Bell Coast to Coast AM radio show.

270 Athos  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 1:58:42pm

re: #80 buzzsawmonkey

Thanks for that - brought back memories of hearing them do the 12 days of Xmas - in their own way.

271 debutaunt  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 1:58:47pm

re: #248 buzzsawmonkey

A moment of respectful silence for the late Johnny Carson.

All this stuff about the bitten-off finger and nobody has yet referenced the "Flying Fickle Finger of Fate."

Laugh-In?

272 SasquatchOnSteroids  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 1:59:00pm

re: #263 greygandalf

15 mins of fame by losing a finger. A price some would be willing to pay I guess. Not me.

You know that hurt like a mofo.
Not for me.

273 drcordell  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 1:59:16pm

re: #260 buzzsawmonkey

Nonsense. Jones was asked how the Republicans, when they held the majority, could do something that the Democrats, now, cannot do.

The only honest answer to that is, "Democrats are incompetent." Which is why Jones took refuge in stupid abuse.

Well, that and the Democrats are above making up a bunch of completely bat-shit insane talking points to completely derail legislation. Didn't see any Democrats talking about how the Bush tax cuts were going to force the government to murder your grandparents.

274 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 1:59:32pm

re: #54 Westward Ho

1. Cato's doing a teshuvah project. Or something. Leave him to it.

2. If it's a lie, it's disgusting. If it's the truth, it's not something I care to hear about.

3. Levi is a scumbag. We got that part.

4. I absolutely cannot stand Sarah Palin, but nothing I have seen about her suggests that she is that crude, or cruel.

275 unrealizedviewpoint  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 1:59:34pm

re: #263 greygandalf

15 mins of fame by losing a finger. A price some would be willing to pay I guess. Not me.

Insurance pays so little for a finger, better to hold on to them.

276 DaddyG  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 1:59:35pm

re: #266 jcm

I thought that was what car keys were for?

that makes 'em taste funny when you carry them in your mouth. /

277 SummerSong  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 1:59:42pm

re: #268 DEZes

How strange is this, I cut off a finger at work yesterday.
16 hours at 2 hospitals, 2 titanium pins, and loads of stitches, Now its wait and see time.
And we are talking about missing fingers on LGF'

Hello Lizards.

How dreadful. I hope you heal completely.

278 reloadingisnotahobby  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 1:59:50pm

re: #267 debutaunt

I've ..ah.. had a major apindage re attached it's ...ah not fun and not cheap!!

279 wrenchwench  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 1:59:59pm

re: #268 DEZes

How strange is this, I cut off a finger at work yesterday.
16 hours at 2 hospitals, 2 titanium pins, and loads of stitches, Now its wait and see time.
And we are talking about missing fingers on LGF'

Hello Lizards.

Holy sh*t! {DEZes} I hope you're OK!

280 Mad Mullah  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 2:00:03pm

This boycott is hilarious. You basically have a group of angry, hypocritical leftists who claimed that Bush is racist and they are now boycotting Beck who is claiming that Obama is racist. And meanwhile, Beck's ratings are only going up.

281 tradewind  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 2:00:10pm

re: #261 Shiplord Kirel

I'm sorry, I didn't realize that I had to actually put in the sarc after that one...
Sigh.
If someone pays to publish a newspaper or air a broadcast, short of outright lies,
they can say...
Or not. ...
anything they damn well please.

282 SasquatchOnSteroids  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 2:00:14pm

re: #268 DEZes

How strange is this, I cut off a finger at work yesterday.
16 hours at 2 hospitals, 2 titanium pins, and loads of stitches, Now its wait and see time.
And we are talking about missing fingers on LGF'

Hello Lizards.

Are you serious ? Damn, I hope you're ok.

283 [deleted]  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 2:00:18pm
284 eschew_obfuscation  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 2:00:19pm

re: #152 drcordell

Bwahahahaha. So the first amendment states that everyone gets an hour-long show on cable? Really?

I think there must be a tear in the space-time continuum somewhere.

I agree with drcordell who agrees with Rush Limbaugh on this point.

Wow!

285 CyanSnowHawk  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 2:00:26pm

re: #268 DEZes

How strange is this, I cut off a finger at work yesterday.
16 hours at 2 hospitals, 2 titanium pins, and loads of stitches, Now its wait and see time.
And we are talking about missing fingers on LGF'

Hello Lizards.

You could have just voiced your support for the guy DEZ.

286 Dancing along the light of day  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 2:00:44pm

re: #268 DEZes

I hope it is better?

287 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 2:00:53pm

re: #268 DEZes

How strange is this, I cut off a finger at work yesterday.
16 hours at 2 hospitals, 2 titanium pins, and loads of stitches, Now its wait and see time.
And we are talking about missing fingers on LGF'

Hello Lizards.

I am so sorry to hear that. I was feeling sorry for myself for slamming my pinky in a stapler. Not feeling so bad any more.

288 Dreader1962  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 2:00:55pm

re: #264 buzzsawmonkey

Aw, hell. You're right. I must be losing it.

Laugh-In is a show that doesn't really hold up under the test of time. I watched it when it was originally broadcast and thought it was hilarious. Today I'm just embarrassed that I even watched it.

289 Pianobuff  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 2:00:58pm

re: #207 Charles

The guy whose finger was bitten off is now starting to sound like a complete loon.

Is he on drugs?

290 J.D.  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 2:01:01pm

Bye.

291 DaddyG  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 2:01:26pm

re: #273 drcordell

Well, that and the Democrats are above making up a bunch of completely bat-shit insane talking points to completely derail legislation. Didn't see any Democrats talking about how the Bush tax cuts were going to force the government to murder your grandparents.


Blaming the republicans for poisoning our drinking water, starving school children and making grandma eat dog food was more their style.

292 reloadingisnotahobby  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 2:01:30pm

re: #268 DEZes

How strange is this, I cut off a finger at work yesterday.
16 hours at 2 hospitals, 2 titanium pins, and loads of stitches, Now its wait and see time.
And we are talking about missing fingers on LGF'

Hello Lizards.

Damn!
Take care of yourself,and Damn it LISTEN to your doctor!!

293 unrealizedviewpoint  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 2:01:40pm

re: #269 DaddyG

Although the crank generated survival radios advertised heavily on the old Art Bell Coast to Coast AM radio show.

CC Crane radio
Everyone should own one.

294 DaddyG  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 2:01:50pm

re: #278 reloadingisnotahobby

I've ..ah.. had a major apindage re attached it's ...ah not fun and not cheap!!

John Wayne Bobbit. Is that you? /

295 experiencedtraveller  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 2:01:51pm

re: #268 DEZes

Man I hope its not your middle finger. You really need that one.

296 drcordell  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 2:01:54pm

re: #283 buzzsawmonkey

That's because the Bush tax cuts weren't aimed at creating a government-controlled healthcare system.

Right. But the point is, they didn't just make up a bunch of completely insane talking points that were nowhere close to reality-based.

297 [deleted]  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 2:02:02pm
298 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 2:02:17pm

re: #62 Shiplord Kirel

An obscure lefty group like Color of Change couldn't "pressure" the average consumer products CEO into taking a piss after he'd downed a pitcher of free martinis.

The advertisers are fleeing because they have seen for themselves that Beck is nuts, and they don't want to be associated with him.

Oh, but Kirel, these people have influence! Why, they're in the White House! And have armed union goons on their side! No one dare say no to them!

//Companies like for you to think that if you use their stuff you'll be rich and sexy and smell good. Not that you'll end up pointing at hammers and sickles on 30s architure and weeping on national TV.

299 tradewind  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 2:02:23pm

re: #289 Pianobuff

Is he on drugs?


Good Lord, you would hope. This isn't the NHS yet....

300 Dreader1962  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 2:02:30pm

re: #273 drcordell

Well, that and the Democrats are above making up a bunch of completely bat-shit insane talking points to completely derail legislation. Didn't see any Democrats talking about how the Bush tax cuts were going to force the government to murder your grandparents.

Actually, there were campaign ads that hinted that very thing.

301 Digital Display  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 2:02:31pm

re: #268 DEZes

How strange is this, I cut off a finger at work yesterday.
16 hours at 2 hospitals, 2 titanium pins, and loads of stitches, Now its wait and see time.
And we are talking about missing fingers on LGF'

Hello Lizards.

Holy Cow! I hope you heal up fast! What happened?

302 Kenneth  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 2:02:34pm

re: #284 eschew_obfuscation

I think there must be a tear in the space-time continuum somewhere.

I agree with drcordell who agrees with Rush Limbaugh on this point.

Wow!

So it wasn't just me? Much as it pained me, I had to upding drcornell for that one.

303 Danny  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 2:02:35pm

re: #268 DEZes

How strange is this, I cut off a finger at work yesterday.
16 hours at 2 hospitals, 2 titanium pins, and loads of stitches, Now its wait and see time.
And we are talking about missing fingers on LGF'

Hello Lizards.

Ouch!! Pardon my crass sense of humor...

304 debutaunt  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 2:02:41pm

re: #278 reloadingisnotahobby

I've ..ah.. had a major apindage re attached it's ...ah not fun and not cheap!!

I was stunned to see some lizards treat it as no big deal, when it is serious surgery.

305 DEZes  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 2:02:53pm

re: #277 SummerSong

re: #282 SasquatchOnSteroids

re: #279 wrenchwench

It was not a good day, my finger will be about a 1/4 inch shorter.
Its my right index finger, so typing is slow.

306 spoosmith  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 2:02:55pm

re: #19 Spare O'Lake

The boycott may have started out in response to the racist charge, but my guess is that the advertisers are tuning in and not liking the crazy they see.

307 SasquatchOnSteroids  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 2:03:09pm

re: #296 drcordell

Right. But the point is, they didn't just make up a bunch of completely insane talking points that were nowhere close to reality-based.

Nope, they never do that.

*Thunk*

308 reloadingisnotahobby  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 2:03:17pm

re: #268 DEZes
...And your typing??
What a Trooper!! ding ding!!

309 yochanan  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 2:03:23pm

FRANKLY I DON'T LIKE BECK I think he is a nut case but he is a private citizen and I haven't watched his show in years

BUT

this guy is on the gov't dime and is just as nuts so how about a little more equal time on the nuts
[Link: gatewaypundit.blogspot.com...]

I currently am a lot more worried about THE ZERO AND HIS CLOWNS than a t.v. show host.

310 drcordell  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 2:03:23pm

re: #302 Kenneth

So it wasn't just me? Much as it pained me, I had to upding drcornell for that one.

Even a blind squirrel finds a nut now and again!

311 [deleted]  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 2:03:49pm
312 tradewind  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 2:04:05pm

re: #298 SanFranciscoZionist

Color of Change deals it cards from the bottom of the race deck. Hardly any corporation is courageous enough to withstand that onslaught.
Not in public, anyway.

313 Dianna  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 2:04:05pm

re: #268 DEZes

Well, I hope you are all right!

314 reloadingisnotahobby  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 2:04:14pm

re: #294 DaddyG

John Wayne Bobbit. Is that you? /

I said a MAJOR Apindage!!
LOL

315 SixDegrees  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 2:04:34pm

re: #259 Dianna

'Twas the other side's fellow who crossed the street and confronted the bitee.

The bitee did, indeed, swing first.

Personally, I think everyone involved had his brain cooked and behaved abominably.

Again, taking a swing at someone in response to verbal abuse is flat out wrong.

I worked in retail for many years, and occasionally had customers go off on me or other employees. My response, and the response I taught everyone to master, was to stand there calmly with your hands behind your back and do nothing. If things escalated to threats, point out quietly that you'll make absolutely certain the threatener will be going to jail if they decide to act on them. Finally, of course, get a manager involved. But pointing out that someone was on the verge of crossing the line from ranting to pummeling, and the consequences that would follow if they did, was always enough to calm things down.

I'm not excusing anyone's behavior here. But Frodo threw the first punch, and he wasn't justified in doing so.

316 Desert Dog  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 2:04:48pm

re: #305 DEZes

re: #282 SasquatchOnSteroids

re: #279 wrenchwench

It was not a good day, my finger will be about a 1/4 inch shorter.
Its my right index finger, so typing is slow.

You're a stud...typing while wounded! I hope you are ok!

317 Kosh's Shadow  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 2:04:50pm

re: #288 Dreader1962

Laugh-In is a show that doesn't really hold up under the test of time. I watched it when it was originally broadcast and thought it was hilarious. Today I'm just embarrassed that I even watched it.

Same thing with me. When it was rerun even 10-20 years later, I watched it and couldn't believe that I thought it was funny.

318 experiencedtraveller  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 2:04:57pm

Wasn't there a discussion here a few weeks back about comparative vitriol from the left and right?

Doesn't Beck offer us a perfect sample for testing the vitriol level?

/As homework please compare and contrast anti Beck websites and anti Olberman websites and report.

319 DEZes  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 2:05:05pm

re: #301 HoosierHoops

Holy Cow! I hope you heal up fast! What happened?

After 30 years of being a tool and die maker, I blinked at the wrong time.

320 iceman1960  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 2:05:18pm

Sorry I'm a little late to the party. I've only seen Beck's show a handful of times as his show is over by the time I get off of work.
What did he say?

321 debutaunt  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 2:05:19pm

re: #288 Dreader1962

Laugh-In is a show that doesn't really hold up under the test of time. I watched it when it was originally broadcast and thought it was hilarious. Today I'm just embarrassed that I even watched it.

But a young James Garner is on the reruns!

322 Dreader1962  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 2:05:22pm

re: #297 buzzsawmonkey

Topical humor, as a rule, ages even worse than Hollywood actresses.

It wasn't typically 'topical'. Cheesy sets, over-the-top comedy skits, '60s dancing (plenty of bikinis that would be tame mom-wear today), and the occasional appearance by a celeb or politician.

323 SasquatchOnSteroids  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 2:05:41pm

re: #305 DEZes

re: #282 SasquatchOnSteroids

re: #279 wrenchwench

It was not a good day, my finger will be about a 1/4 inch shorter.
Its my right index finger, so typing is slow.

Damn, gonna have to learn how to pick your nose with your middle finger.
What a bitch !
Seriously, if you need any money or anythin, I've got ETR's e-mail addy.
//

Be careful, for real. And thank the heavens it's not Obamacare.
Duct tape and 2 advils.

324 wrenchwench  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 2:05:46pm

re: #305 DEZes

re: #282 SasquatchOnSteroids

re: #279 wrenchwench

It was not a good day, my finger will be about a 1/4 inch shorter.
Its my right index finger, so typing is slow.


I think you'd be forgiven for some one-handed typing for a while.

325 [deleted]  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 2:05:50pm
326 tradewind  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 2:05:56pm

PIMF... its cards.

327 Charles Johnson  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 2:06:06pm

Beck is calling Obama a radical revolutionary Marxist right now.

328 drcordell  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 2:06:07pm

re: #307 SasquatchOnSteroids

Nope, they never do that.

*Thunk*

On the level of "death panels"? Or Obama brainwashing school children with his sekrit moslem school special? Or FEMA concentration camps? Or nirtherism?

Look, there's everyday political bullshit, done by everyone, can't deny that. But then there is the crazy shit that has been going on over the past 6 months. It's on a whole different level.

329 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 2:06:10pm

re: #207 Charles

The guy whose finger was bitten off is now starting to sound like a complete loon.

Frodo was never very articulate to begin with.

330 reloadingisnotahobby  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 2:06:36pm

re: #304 debutaunt

Micro Nurosurgery!!
I had eight procedures before I left ICU!!

331 DEZes  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 2:06:45pm

re: #308 reloadingisnotahobby

...And your typing??
What a Trooper!! ding ding!!

Trooper, nah.
Just had to be here at LGF for a bit.
I will be back at work tomorrow.

332 John Neverbend  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 2:06:50pm

re: #90 Charles

Bingo. I've often wondered why so many of the fringe right wing sites have ads for gold. It's a weird and slightly creepy connection.

O'Reilly and Savage both have ads for gold on their sites and Savage often promotes it during the breaks on his radio show. However, I've never seen anything particularly odd about this, as I think it more or less coincides with two events, a steady rally in gold prices in recent years and a greater acceptance of commodities as an asset class suitable for the common man. I have seen the websites of the company that Savage usually promotes, and it seems to be respectable, containing some useful financial information. At some point when I was contemplating an investment in gold, I drew on the information provided by those sites, although the medium of investment that they are discussing was not one that I ultimately chose to go into. The companies that O'Reilly mentions have been on regular TV financial channels.

Nevertheless, I'm interested as to why the talk show hosts would want to advertise gold investment at all. I'm guessing that it is consonant with their beliefs in capitalism and free markets.

333 Digital Display  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 2:07:09pm

re: #319 DEZes

After 30 years of being a tool and die maker, I blinked at the wrong time.

I'm very sorry...Get well soon...

334 Kenneth  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 2:07:11pm

re: #310 drcordell

Even a blind squirrel finds a nut now and again!

And Glenn Beck is nuttier than squirrel poo!

335 Gus  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 2:07:23pm

re: #268 DEZes

How strange is this, I cut off a finger at work yesterday.
16 hours at 2 hospitals, 2 titanium pins, and loads of stitches, Now its wait and see time.
And we are talking about missing fingers on LGF'

Hello Lizards.

Damn DEZes that sucks. I hope everything works out and heals correctly.

336 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 2:07:31pm

re: #63 crimeshark


When they come for the fools and dolts, should we fail to speak up because we are not fools and dolts? Moreover, should we encourage those who propose to silence those they consider foolish?

Beck should be off the air. But he should be forced off because of ratings, not some politically motivated boycott.

I think that if they come for the dolts and the fools to, as in the Niemoller quote, take them away and kill them, we should do everything in our power to protect the dolts and fools.

However, if they organize a boycott against them, I'm not terribly worried.

No one should 'silence' Glenn Beck, but neither is Clorox required to put their name up with his in the marketplace, or give him money to enable his rants. The First Amendment doesn't give anyone a talk show. That you have to earn. The advertisers owe him nothing. If he's embarassing them, they should bounce. Either the market pressure convinces Fox, or they stand by their, er, principles.

337 Desert Dog  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 2:07:50pm

re: #319 DEZes

After 30 years of being a tool and die maker, I blinked at the wrong time.

You're better off than your co-workers, Lefty and Stubby.

338 wrenchwench  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 2:07:51pm

re: #319 DEZes

After 30 years of being a tool and die maker, I blinked at the wrong time.

Ooooh, you make tools?!? Where's that mega-updinger...

339 drcordell  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 2:08:01pm

re: #311 buzzsawmonkey

"Death panels" was hyperbole. But I had the disgusting experience of watching Rachel Maddow last night, and frankly I think that the hyperbole of "death panels" was restrained compared to what she passes off as political discourse.

Really? I really am not a fan of anyone on TV because they're all toolbags, but at least Maddow doesn't dumb everything down. If she plays a soundbite she lets it roll for a full minute rather than :15 seconds. And her interviews seem to at least scratch the surface of things other than the usual political crossfire bullshit. Not saying she isn't an obvious partisan, but at least she seems to be on the up and up about it.

340 Charpete67  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 2:08:03pm

re: #328 drcordell

On the level of "death panels"? Or Obama brainwashing school children with his sekrit moslem school special? Or FEMA concentration camps? Or nirtherism?

Look, there's everyday political bullshit, done by everyone, can't deny that. But then there is the crazy shit that has been going on over the past 6 months. It's on a whole different level.

9/11 was an inside job? Bush blew up the levies in NO? Bush lied about WMD?

341 Kosh's Shadow  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 2:08:06pm

re: #322 Dreader1962

It wasn't typically 'topical'. Cheesy sets, over-the-top comedy skits, '60s dancing (plenty of bikinis that would be tame mom-wear today), and the occasional appearance by a celeb or politician.

And a lot of old jokes, dressed up, like this one.
Here come de Judge:
Judge: I find the defendant innocent of stealing the watch.
Defendant: Does this mean I don't have to return the watch?

342 [deleted]  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 2:08:09pm
343 tradewind  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 2:08:11pm

re: #327 Charles

Well, Bush was called an ignorant fascist chimp who would take us back to the stone age.
It's all about the balance.

344 jcm  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 2:08:28pm

re: #328 drcordell

On the level of "death panels"? Or Obama brainwashing school children with his sekrit moslem school special? Or FEMA concentration camps? Or nirtherism?

Look, there's everyday political bullshit, done by everyone, can't deny that. But then there is the crazy shit that has been going on over the past 6 months. It's on a whole different level.

Goldwater and Reagan where going to start a nuclear war.

345 Neutral President  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 2:08:58pm

re: #329 Alouette

Frodo was never very articulate to begin with.

Yeah all that whining and raving about a 9 thousand year old demon wanting to take over the world. Plus it was always about HIM.

/

346 [deleted]  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 2:09:04pm
347 Spare O'Lake  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 2:09:08pm

re: #234 SanFranciscoZionist

Clarify. I don't want people to boycott Israel because I think it's wrong, not because I think boycotts are an inherently bad idea.

What is 'the free operation of the market'? These people want to advertise their products. If they are convinced that their products look worse for being shown on Beck's show, they pull back. That's a market decision. There's also a moral aspect.


I'd be happier to see the companies doing this independently, but I don't think boycotts are a necessarily bad thing.

To me it's not a boycott without an element of compulsion. Beck's sponsors don't need this boycott group to educate them about Beck's show, so it must be because of the pressure that the group is able to exert. And it is this pressure or compulsion which interferes with the operation of the free market by forcing advertisers to base their decisions not on the normal marketing of their goods to consumers but on a fear that the advertisers will be hurt by the boycott group by not including them in their list of noble advertisers.

348 drcordell  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 2:09:18pm

re: #340 Charpete67

9/11 was an inside job? Bush blew up the levies in NO? Bush lied about WMD?

Find me an instance of a DNC official or elected Democrat making any comment in public or on television regarding Trutherism OR Bush blowing up the levies.

As far as lying about WMD. That's the truth. There weren't any WMD. That's a fact.

349 CyanSnowHawk  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 2:09:25pm

re: #285 CyanSnowHawk

You could have just voiced your support for the guy DEZ.

Seriously I hope everything turns out as well as possible for you with this now.

350 reloadingisnotahobby  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 2:09:55pm

re: #346 Pianobuff

This is ///right?

351 [deleted]  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 2:10:02pm
352 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 2:10:03pm

re: #288 Dreader1962

Laugh-In is a show that doesn't really hold up under the test of time. I watched it when it was originally broadcast and thought it was hilarious. Today I'm just embarrassed that I even watched it.

Does anybody remember "That Was The Week That Was"?

353 Charpete67  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 2:10:18pm

re: #348 drcordell

Find me an instance of a DNC official or elected Democrat making any comment in public or on television regarding Trutherism OR Bush blowing up the levies.

As far as lying about WMD. That's the truth. There weren't any WMD. That's a fact.

gimmee a minutes...but, thanks for buying into the lying about WMD...I assume he did it to start a war for Haliburton or maybe to settle a score for his dad?

354 SasquatchOnSteroids  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 2:10:22pm

re: #328 drcordell

On the level of "death panels"? Or Obama brainwashing school children with his sekrit moslem school special? Or FEMA concentration camps? Or nirtherism?

Look, there's everyday political bullshit, done by everyone, can't deny that. But then there is the crazy shit that has been going on over the past 6 months. It's on a whole different level.

Dunno. I think you're just noticing it now.
How many deaths did the left claim Bush killed in Iraq and Afghanistan ?
How many times did they call for his death ? to Cheney ? Pacemaker "jokes".
Bush is a racist Katrina style.
Whole new level ?

OK.

355 tradewind  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 2:10:26pm

Oh, and bloodthirsty chickenhawk . That was a theme.
It's not that it's admirable for Beck to be going all nuts like that... it's just that where was the outrage last administration?

356 sattv4u2  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 2:10:27pm

re: #352 Alouette

Does anybody remember "That Was The Week That Was"?

I do!

357 DaddyG  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 2:10:30pm

re: #319 DEZes

After 30 years of being a tool and die maker, I blinked at the wrong time.

I have often wanted to give my boss the finger.

358 Dreader1962  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 2:10:31pm

re: #341 Kosh's Shadow

And a lot of old jokes, dressed up, like this one.
Here come de Judge:
Judge: I find the defendant innocent of stealing the watch.
Defendant: Does this mean I don't have to return the watch?

Yeah, but somehow I can take vaudeville, but not Laugh-In.

359 unrealizedviewpoint  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 2:10:34pm

re: #310 drcordell

Even a blind squirrel finds a nut now and again!

That's a poker players line.

360 Westward Ho  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 2:10:38pm

The absolutely astonishing thing is that the international edition of Fox News which runs 24/7 does not haveone frigging ad at all, stunning!

361 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 2:10:43pm

re: #69 ArchangelMichael

At least Ghost Whisperer and Medium are honest about being fiction. Ghost Hunters and those 2 kooks you mentioned aren't.

My husband's proposed addition to Ghost Hunters is that he becomes part of the cast, and sets up spooky stuff at the site, or just jumps out of closets to spook them.

I like Ghost Whisperer, the times I've seen it.

362 Pianobuff  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 2:11:05pm

re: #350 reloadingisnotahobby

This is ///right?

I'm reading something on it now. My comment got deleted so maybe I'll say no more than that.

363 Neutral President  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 2:11:11pm

re: #348 drcordell

Find me an instance of a DNC official or elected Democrat making any comment in public or on television regarding Trutherism OR Bush blowing up the levies.

As far as lying about WMD. That's the truth. There weren't any WMD. That's a fact.

There you go with the BDS. Thinking you are right and acting on that belief and having it turn out to be exaggerated or incorrect is not the same thing as lying.

364 debutaunt  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 2:11:21pm

re: #330 reloadingisnotahobby

Micro Nurosurgery!!
I had eight procedures before I left ICU!!

Good lord.

365 tradewind  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 2:11:33pm

re: #348 drcordell

Oh please. Maxine Waters, for one. The crazy Georgia beeyotch for another... McKinney. Both elected. Both Dems.

366 Charles Johnson  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 2:11:38pm

re: #355 tradewind

Oh, and bloodthirsty chickenhawk . That was a theme.
It's not that it's admirable for Beck to be going all nuts like that... it's just that where was the outrage last administration?

I'm incredibly weary of this "they did it too!" argument. Don't you realize how pointless and weak it is to say that?

367 Danny  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 2:11:47pm

What about Chompy, they ever find him?

368 sattv4u2  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 2:12:10pm

re: #352 Alouette

What about Fractured Flickers hosted by Hans Conreid?

369 DEZes  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 2:12:11pm

re: #338 wrenchwench

Ooooh, you make tools?!? Where's that mega-updinger...

Well, toolmakers make machine tools.
I dont make wrenches very often, sorry. ;)

370 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 2:12:17pm

re: #356 sattv4u2

I do!

David Frost. Who else was on it?

371 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 2:12:21pm

re: #367 Danny

What about Chompy, they ever find him?

Have they checked Mt. Doom?

372 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 2:12:48pm

re: #85 Erik The Red

Last I looked we still live in the USA. Not the USSR. "Not Free"???

Let me rephrase that. Having a nationally televised show isn't free.

373 SpaceJesus  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 2:13:09pm

re: #327 Charles

Beck is calling Obama a radical revolutionary Marxist right now.


how can you stand to watch him

374 Dianna  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 2:13:28pm

re: #315 SixDegrees

I've only said that a number of times.

Was I somehow unclear?

375 Neutral President  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 2:13:41pm

re: #367 Danny

What about Chompy, they ever find him?

He's on his way back to a cave in the Misty Mountains.

376 sattv4u2  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 2:13:57pm

re: #366 Charles

I'm incredibly weary of this "they did it too!" argument. Don't you realize how pointless and weak it is to say that?

Thje statement was made by a poster (drcordell, I beleive) that he didn't recall this vitriol and scare tactics against Bush. The responses have been showing that there were.

377 tradewind  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 2:14:09pm

re: #366 Charles

Charles, I am not going for the ' I know you are but what am I ' point. ... honest.
I am just saying that the nuttiness Beck is spouting seems unremarkable compared to what we lived with for the past eight years.

378 Charpete67  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 2:14:23pm

re: #348 drcordell

Find me an instance of a DNC official or elected Democrat making any comment in public or on television regarding Trutherism OR Bush blowing up the levies.

As far as lying about WMD. That's the truth. There weren't any WMD. That's a fact.

Cynthia Mckinney...she's a whack job...but, she's your whack job

379 debutaunt  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 2:15:07pm

re: #348 drcordell

Find me an instance of a DNC official or elected Democrat making any comment in public or on television regarding Trutherism OR Bush blowing up the levies.

As far as lying about WMD. That's the truth. There weren't any WMD. That's a fact.

He said he had them and the Clinton administration believed he had them.

380 Kosh's Shadow  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 2:15:09pm

re: #352 Alouette

Does anybody remember "That Was The Week That Was"?

With Tom Lehrer.
The show, vaguely; Tom Lehrer, much better

381 yochanan  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 2:15:09pm

[Link: gatewaypundit.blogspot.com...]
the obama tzar is a truther on the gov't dime
i for one haven't watched beck since he used the ovens at dachou as a graphics for abortion but the other guy is on the gov't dime which means i have to pay a part of his paycheck that pisses me off a hell of a lot more than the clown beck since i stopped watching his show years ago.

382 Pianobuff  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 2:15:24pm

re: #350 reloadingisnotahobby

This is ///right?

FYI... I read a little bit. It looks like it's a story that's being spread to show how faulty Glenn Beck's reasoning is, or something like that. Anyway, appears to be false and in the name of humor/parody/etc.

383 sattv4u2  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 2:15:26pm

re: #370 Alouette

David Frost. Who else was on it?

lottsa no names
[Link: www.museum.tv...]

384 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 2:15:41pm

re: #109 EmmmieG

I'm very sorry, but I disagree. The only organization, governmental or non, with the right to take Beck off of his program is Foxnews.

The government does not regulate political content. It does regulate obscenity, so if Beck gets nekkid or brings on nekkid people, they can act. Otherwise, as long as Foxnews is willing, he can broadcast.

(Full disclosure: I don't own a television, so I can't watch.)

I don't think anyone has suggested the govt. agencies should intervene.

385 Dreader1962  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 2:15:44pm

re: #366 Charles

I'm incredibly weary of this "they did it too!" argument. Don't you realize how pointless and weak it is to say that?

That occurred to me after a bit, but it can start from either side. The thread was not in reaction to the boycott or intended to defend Beck, but a response to the implication that 'this stuff NEVER happened with the left!'

386 jcm  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 2:15:59pm

re: #348 drcordell

Find me an instance of a DNC official or elected Democrat making any comment in public or on television regarding Trutherism OR Bush blowing up the levies.

As far as lying about WMD. That's the truth. There weren't any WMD. That's a fact.

WMD consisted of 2 of 23 points in the Use of Force Resolution, which was approved by congress.
Saddam used WMD against Iran and the Kurds.
Saddam declared WMD at the end of GWI.
Remnants of programs and WMD munitions were found, but no stock piles.

It is not true there weren't WMD. It's accurate to say we did not find stock piles. Between the time Saddam used and declared WMD what happened to them is unanswered.

Are you the lest bit curious?
Or is "Bush lied" a sufficient answer for you?

387 Born Again Republican  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 2:16:02pm

re: #327 Charles

What commercials are running?

388 Digital Display  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 2:16:03pm

re: #377 tradewind

Charles, I am not going for the ' I know you are but what am I ' point. ... honest.
I am just saying that the nuttiness Beck is spouting seems unremarkable compared to what we lived with for the past eight years.

The grownups are in charge...
Now they aren't..So it''s time to act like children?
IMO

389 Mr Pancakes  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 2:16:12pm

re: #352 Alouette

Does anybody remember "That Was The Week That Was"?

I do too... "That was the week that was...it's over let it go..."

Damn... the theme song is stuck in my head now.

390 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 2:16:21pm

re: #111 tradewind

Really? Doesn't seem to be a dealbreaker for Olbermann or Matthews, or Joy Behar ...not to mention Reverend Wright or even... Van Jones, who is all over YouTube calling Republicans ' Assholes'.
TOTUS, reaching out to the other side, one Czar at a time.

Organize a boycott.

391 Spare O'Lake  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 2:16:25pm

re: #331 DEZes

Trooper, nah.
Just had to be here at LGF for a bit.
I will be back at work tomorrow.

Good man!

392 tradewind  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 2:16:31pm

re: #382 Pianobuff

What is it?

393 [deleted]  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 2:16:45pm
394 Kosh's Shadow  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 2:17:01pm

re: #358 Dreader1962

Yeah, but somehow I can take vaudeville, but not Laugh-In.

I can't take Laugh-In any more, either.
My excuse was I was young at the time.

395 sattv4u2  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 2:18:10pm

re: #348 drcordell

Find me an instance of a DNC official or elected Democrat making any comment in public or on television regarding Trutherism OR Bush blowing up the levies.

As far as lying about WMD. That's the truth. There weren't any WMD. That's a fact.

The "lie" re WMD was no lie at all. What it reffered to is words during a televised address made by Bush

"British intelligence tells us that Saddam has an active WMD program"

That IS what Brit Intel (as well as many other domestic and foriegn) intel agencies were stating

396 sagehen  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 2:18:31pm

re: #54 Westward Ho

Levi is either a scumbag or speaking the truth.

What makes you think it's either/or? It could very well be "and".

If your son's grandma says unkind things about your son's same-age-uncle, do you want your son's classmates taunting him about it when they all get old enough to google?

397 BatGuano  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 2:19:12pm

re: #268 DEZes

Very sorry to hear that DEZ. I hope everything turns out O.K.

398 John Neverbend  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 2:19:16pm

re: #383 sattv4u2

lottsa no names
[Link: www.museum.tv...]

Jeez, I know all of them! Bernard Levin was reputed to be having an affair with Arianna Huffington (then Arianna Stassinopoulos), Willy Rushton was a fine humourist, Roy Kinnear was a sort of solid but unremarkable actor, Lance Percival was a so-so comic actor, John Wells and John Bird were both fine comedians (see Bird in any of the Youtube vides of John Bird and John Fortune), Roy Hudd was a bit unfunny, and Eleanor Bron was er, well known, and she appeared in one of the Beatles movies (was it Help?).

399 DEZes  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 2:19:23pm

We are getting deletes .
is a melt down far off?

400 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 2:19:25pm

re: #132 Charles

Every major GOP politician has appeared on Glenn Beck's show, and Sarah Palin explicitly promotes him at her Facebook page. The GOP is way off the rails, and there's no better illustration of it than their embrace of Glenn Beck John Birch Society-inspired craziness.

So, really, rather than Fox, folks need to be addressing GOP politicians and asking them not to appear on or endorse the show.

401 Charles Johnson  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 2:19:32pm

I think we've had enough links to Gateway Pundit in this thread now. Please stop it.

And again, I think it's really curious that the same people who have been calling 9/11 Truthers liars for years are now willing to accept something from a 9/11 Truther site at face value, without checking or verifying anything.

402 [deleted]  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 2:20:06pm
403 tradewind  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 2:20:28pm

re: #388 HoosierHoops

Sigh.
No, now it's time to ignore it, like we saw done for the past eight.
Seriously, first rule of media... until you use the N word or utter a gay slur, the more controversy nowdays, the higher your ratings. All the hoohah is just boosting Beck's ratings. Did you see that Vanity Fair made him one of their top 100 influential people? That he's getting the key to more than one city?
None of this would have happened if people had just ignored him.

404 unrealizedviewpoint  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 2:21:11pm

re: #348 drcordell

Find me an instance of a DNC official or elected Democrat making any comment in public or on television regarding Trutherism OR Bush blowing up the levies.

As far as lying about WMD. That's the truth. There weren't any WMD. That's a fact.

Doc,
Everybody believed there were WMD's. There are countless videos of Dem's (made within a very short time prior to the invasion) sounding off about the dangers of Sadam's WMD's. C'mon. Bush didn't lie. The lie is the Dem's saying he lied. Must we again link to the video's of Kennedy, Gore, Clinton, Kerry et al speaking of the danger of Sadam's WMD's?

405 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 2:21:31pm

re: #142 unrealizedviewpoint

Yes. it's called the 1st Amendment. And govt control of the public airwaves doesn't give govt the right to silence anyone just because they don't like the message.

No one is saying a word about government censorship! But no one has an entitlement to a talk show.

If I'm wrong, mine will be called "The Zionist Funtime Hour".

406 Pianobuff  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 2:22:02pm

re: #392 tradewind

What is it?

I won't get into specifics, but there is a false story circulating alleging something about Beck that is intended (by the story spreaders) to illustrate Beck's specious reasoning process. If you Google Glenn Beck 1990 you'll see examples, which I won't describe any further.

407 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 2:22:05pm

re: #268 DEZes

How strange is this, I cut off a finger at work yesterday.
16 hours at 2 hospitals, 2 titanium pins, and loads of stitches, Now its wait and see time.
And we are talking about missing fingers on LGF'

Hello Lizards.

Came in late and just saw BatGuano's reply.
Does "wait and see" mean they were able to reattach it?

/*prayers* that that's the case, and it heals well.

408 tradewind  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 2:22:05pm

re: #396 sagehen

The kid has been proven to be a liar, telling stuff that is immediately refuted in video by the facts.
Example: "I've never seen her fish"... twenty years of video showing Palin working alongside her family on a fishing boat.

409 KingKenrod  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 2:22:08pm

Hot Air posted a link to this story about Beck being attacked by Anonymous, the hacking group that recently went after Scientology:

[Link: www.mediaite.com...]

410 SteveC  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 2:22:12pm

The average hour long TV show is actually 48 minutes, when you account for all the commercials. If advertisers keep dropping Beck, all that happens is we get 12 more minutes of crazy. :(

411 Kosh's Shadow  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 2:22:15pm

re: #403 tradewind

Sigh.
No, now it's time to ignore it, like we saw done for the past eight.
Seriously, first rule of media... until you use the N word or utter a gay slur, the more controversy nowdays, the higher your ratings. All the hoohah is just boosting Beck's ratings. Did you see that Vanity Fair made him one of their top 100 influential people? That he's getting the key to more than one city?
None of this would have happened if people had just ignored him.

Just like Married...With Children was going to be canceled until there was an attempt to organize a boycott. People watched the show, found it was funny, and the ratings went up. They could still find sponsors.
At least, that show was funny, in a positive way, as opposed to an insane way.

412 Danny  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 2:22:17pm

Gateway Pundit's a Truther site?

413 Killgore Trout  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 2:22:25pm

Man Who Got Finger Bitten Off At Town Hall Talks To Cavuto

414 tradewind  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 2:22:50pm

re: #406 Pianobuff

Oh. Must have something to do with his recovery thing.
Okay.

415 [deleted]  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 2:22:55pm
416 [deleted]  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 2:23:33pm
417 Neutral President  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 2:23:44pm

re: #386 jcm

It is not true there weren't WMD. It's accurate to say we did not find stock piles.

I think way too many people were expecting to find an Iraqi warehouse like the one from Raiders of the Lost Ark, filled to the roof with WMD. Unrealistic expectations on the part of the public have allowed the falsehood to be accepted as gospel by the uncritical.

As far as I'm concerned. 1 single shell or warhead with a banned chemical weapon in it was a violation of UN Resolution 687 and the Gulf War Cessation of Hostilities, and legal grounds for invasion of Iraq and removal of Saddam Hussein. They found more than one, just not millions in a neat super sekrit stockpile.

418 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 2:23:56pm

So, what's up?

419 wrenchwench  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 2:23:59pm

re: #415 yochanan

we all know beck is a idiot what is the point of making this a beck all the time thing?

sorry i don't get it

Shhh...we're flushing out the flouncers!

420 Spare O'Lake  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 2:24:05pm

re: #352 Alouette

Does anybody remember "That Was The Week That Was"?

People that wasn't was.
TW3 was excellent - the US version.

421 Charles Johnson  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 2:24:18pm

re: #412 Danny

Gateway Pundit's a Truther site?

No. Gateway Pundit is an extreme right wing site. Lots and lots of Obama-Hitler stuff being posted there.

422 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 2:24:19pm

re: #179 J.D.

Who or what bit off his finger?

A fellow American.

423 Formercorpsman  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 2:24:35pm

re: #348 drcordell

One problem with situation on the ground as we have right now, and mentioned earlier on the thread, is the associations these politicians have with the lunatics in their base.

I would have to agree, simply making the comparison "they did it too" is not a valid defense.

But do remember, 2008 was not that long ago. Many a Democrat were more than eager to entertain Markos. Yealry Kos comes to mind.

I would say that seems to go against your assertion of show me one.

424 Killgore Trout  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 2:24:52pm

re: #413 Killgore Trout

Heh. Finger Eater called him an idiot. He punched him twice. Second punch went in the guy's mouth. Finger wuz eated.

425 SteveC  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 2:25:03pm

re: #403 tradewind

Did you see that Vanity Fair made him one of their top 100 influential people? That he's getting the key to more than one city?

I hope someone changed the locks first!

426 unrealizedviewpoint  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 2:25:24pm

re: #405 SanFranciscoZionist

No one is saying a word about government censorship! But no one has an entitlement to a talk show.

If I'm wrong, mine will be called "The Zionist Funtime Hour".

I'm not gonna say this again. I was addressing the Fairness Doctrine.

427 Charpete67  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 2:25:32pm

re: #417 ArchangelMichael

I think way too many people were expecting to find an Iraqi warehouse like the one from Raiders of the Lost Ark, filled to the roof with WMD. Unrealistic expectations on the part of the public have allowed the falsehood to be accepted as gospel by the uncritical.

As far as I'm concerned. 1 single shell or warhead with a banned chemical weapon in it was a violation of UN Resolution 687 and the Gulf War Cessation of Hostilities, and legal grounds for invasion of Iraq and removal of Saddam Hussein. They found more than one, just not millions in a neat super sekrit stockpile.

Maybe they were all gone cuz he used them all up on the Kurds and Iranians...

428 [deleted]  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 2:25:49pm
429 Charles Johnson  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 2:26:19pm

re: #424 Killgore Trout

Heh. Finger Eater called him an idiot. He punched him twice. Second punch went in the guy's mouth. Finger wuz eated.

Yup. He admits he attacked the guy without any physical provocation.

And he goes on to say that the Obama health care plan is "just a diversion while the government grabs what's left of our freedoms."

430 Killgore Trout  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 2:26:33pm

Pinkiless puncher is a hero!

431 tradewind  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 2:26:34pm

re: #421 Charles

Regardless of what Obama is or is not (besides the President, for which he deserves respect), you have to admit he has a lot of shady, quasi-marxist associations that he has not exactly out of his way to cut loose now that he is in office. He's Underbus no more now that he's in the WH... in fact, he seems to be gathering them around him.

432 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 2:26:44pm

re: #207 Charles

The guy whose finger was bitten off is now starting to sound like a complete loon.

In all fairness, Charles, I might not sound too together if someone had recently bitten my finger off at a health-care-reform demo.

433 Kenneth  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 2:26:48pm

re: #401 Charles

Are you suggesting somebody else put Van Jones name on that list? For what reason? There were many recognizable names on that list... are they all fake?
It's certainly possible many of the names are fake, and that organization's credibility is zero. It's also possible for anybody to put someone else's name on a disreputable website for the very purpose of discrediting that person.

Without objective verification, we just don't know one way or the other. As you point out, it's up to the accusers to verify the accusation with facts.

Ask Van Jones if he signed it? If he did, he would probably be happy to say yes.

434 tradewind  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 2:27:13pm

re: #425 SteveC

It's not MY city.
:)
Gotta love it that it's a blue state.

435 Formercorpsman  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 2:27:29pm

re: #423 Formercorpsman

are the associations.

436 Desert Dog  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 2:27:47pm

re: #430 Killgore Trout

Pinkiless puncher is a hero!

Cowardly baiter biter is one to you then? Nice hero you have there. Sounds like a nice guy

437 Bagua  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 2:27:47pm

re: #413 Killgore Trout

Man Who Got Finger Bitten Off At Town Hall Talks To Cavuto

I hope this does not presage a trend towards cannibalism, things are crazy enough as is.

438 experiencedtraveller  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 2:27:52pm

I once knew a guy named Jimmy Finger.

He was a hot head and would definitely throw the first punch.

/I wonder where he is these days?

439 Charles Johnson  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 2:28:08pm

re: #433 Kenneth

Are you suggesting somebody else put Van Jones name on that list? For what reason? There were many recognizable names on that list... are they all fake?
It's certainly possible many of the names are fake, and that organization's credibility is zero. It's also possible for anybody to put someone else's name on a disreputable website for the very purpose of discrediting that person.

Without objective verification, we just don't know one way or the other. As you point out, it's up to the accusers to verify the accusation with facts.

Ask Van Jones if he signed it? If he did, he would probably be happy to say yes.

I'm saying that nothing posted on a 9/11 Truther site should be accepted at face value. But for some reason (I wonder why?) a lot of people are doing just that.

440 Killgore Trout  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 2:28:09pm

re: #429 Charles

Yup. He admits he attacked the guy without any physical provocation.

And he goes on to say that the Obama health care plan is "just a diversion while the government grabs what's left of our freedoms."

Punched him twice by him own admission.
"My hand was in his mouth and when it came out I was missing a finger"

There's a teachable moment if I ever saw one.

441 yochanan  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 2:28:13pm

i think obama is a social democrat like the NDP or the british labour party so calling him a socialist isn't out of line using snicklegruber refrences is just wrong.

frankly i wouldn't vote for the zero might vote for mickey mouse if i don't like who the gop is running.

442 Wendya  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 2:28:16pm

I'm not particularly impressed with Color of Change, Rainbow/PUSH, AFA or any other well funded organization that attempts to bully, destroy or harm any business that doesn't toe their line.

443 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 2:28:17pm

Tonight I get to see one of the Heroes of my life. Someone who I met when I was in the sixth grade. He was a senior in High School and was the coolest person I had ever met until that moment.

They built a new high school, tore down my old one. Gonna see the new one.

But, I'm going to see Jimmy. He's leading the tour.

I wonder if he'll recognize me. I'm bigger than I was then...

444 Charpete67  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 2:28:34pm

re: #429 Charles

...not to mention he just said he thought about having his finger bronzed and wearing it around his neck...

445 Desert Dog  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 2:28:50pm

re: #440 Killgore Trout

Punched him twice by him own admission.
"My hand was in his mouth and when it came out I was missing a finger"

There's a teachable moment if I ever saw one.

Yes, next time go for the stomach

446 tradewind  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 2:29:00pm

Dammit. PIMF,
Gone out of his way.
Invoking the two-typo rule and outta heah.

447 jcm  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 2:29:15pm

re: #440 Killgore Trout

Punched him twice by him own admission.
"My hand was in his mouth and when it came out I was missing a finger"

There's a teachable moment if I ever saw one.

Beer at the White House!

Discuss oral oppression of pinkies!

448 Dreader1962  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 2:29:29pm

re: #429 Charles

Yup. He admits he attacked the guy without any physical provocation.

And he goes on to say that the Obama health care plan is "just a diversion while the government grabs what's left of our freedoms."

With that description, the 'eated finger' could have been an accident. I know that many will disagree, but strange things happen in fights. Also, a punch to the face with a loose hand is not a good idea - kinda hard to get a pinky into someone's mouth if you have your fist clenched.

The other guy needs to get to the police - now, not later. Someone on this board hinted that they have a contact from his group - it's really in his best interest.

449 SasquatchOnSteroids  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 2:29:32pm

re: #430 Killgore Trout

Pinkiless puncher is a hero!

No, he's not a hero. He shouldn't have done that.

I suspect Gollum will be welcomed as one with open arms by the left, though.

What a Guy !

450 Bagua  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 2:29:32pm

re: #440 Killgore Trout

There's a teachable moment if I ever saw one.

A beer summit would be in order me thinks.

451 Digital Display  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 2:29:44pm

re: #403 tradewind

Hope today finds you well...The Conservatives have claimed the higher ground for 8 years...They are the grown ups...
I wish some of my right wing friends would act more like Bush or Cheeney and less like the crazy uncle at thanksgiving dinner that never wears clothes at the dinner table, talks crazy shit and gets tons of attention...
It embarrasses everybody..But that's why in America we always put the Kid's table in the Living Room...

452 Desert Dog  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 2:29:45pm

re: #447 jcm

Beer at the White House!

Discuss oral oppression of pinkies!

He gave that guy the finger...literally gave him the finger

453 DaddyG  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 2:29:53pm

We had a nice peaceful healthcare rally at the Georgia capital today. The angriest looks were from people who couldn't drive straight around the Capitol because of the crowds.

Nothing interesting has happened here since we prayed for rain on the steps. (The drought is over BTW).

454 jcm  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 2:29:54pm

re: #444 Charpete67

...not to mention he just said he thought about having his finger bronzed and wearing it around his neck...

He didn't!

455 Killgore Trout  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 2:29:55pm

re: #445 Desert Dog

Heh. He says he'd do it all over again. "freedom is not free"

456 experiencedtraveller  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 2:30:03pm

That pinky is a martyr for the cause!

/

457 Kenneth  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 2:30:03pm

re: #439 Charles

I'm saying that nothing posted on a 9/11 Truther site should be accepted at face value. But for some reason (I wonder why?) a lot of people are doing just that.

I suppose people tend to believe the kinds of things they want to believe are true, especially if it's a bad thing about a perceived enemy.

458 yochanan  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 2:30:15pm

re: #430 Killgore Trout

more than likely they are both clowns and smucks not going to make a hero out of either of them.

459 [deleted]  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 2:30:22pm
460 Mad Mullah  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 2:30:36pm

re: #431 tradewind

in fact, he seems to be gathering them around him.

He may have gotten rid of the Reverend Wright and others because he was forced to and basically had no choice, even though he waited until the last minute to do so.

Instead, he has replaced his earlier associations with the same exact sort of people, a whole new crew of America hating, race-baiting, "progressive" nutjobs. This only reinforces the claim that Obama is indeed a radical nutjob himself.

461 Charpete67  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 2:30:44pm

re: #454 jcm

He didn't!

he did.

462 Desert Dog  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 2:30:51pm

re: #455 Killgore Trout

Heh. He says he'd do it all over again. "freedom is not free"

He's still packing 9 more! He's still in the game!

463 Bagua  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 2:31:01pm

re: #456 experiencedtraveller

That pinky is a martyr for the cause!

/

I'm beginning to see the value of going armed to these events, what with the cannibals being everywhere and all.

464 Killgore Trout  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 2:31:03pm

re: #456 experiencedtraveller

First they eated the pinkies and I did not speak up...

465 Pianobuff  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 2:31:09pm

re: #432 SanFranciscoZionist

In all fairness, Charles, I might not sound too together if someone had recently bitten my finger off at a health-care-reform demo.

The guy could be on meds for all we know.

466 DEZes  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 2:31:23pm

re: #407 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Came in late and just saw BatGuano's reply.
Does "wait and see" mean they were able to reattach it?

/*prayers* that that's the case, and it heals well.

It was reattached, as far as having full use, only time will tell.
And thanks.

467 callahan23  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 2:31:24pm

re: #268 DEZes

Ouch, I am so sorry my friend. I do hope they gave you the good painkillers and I hope your wounds heal completely. (DEZes)

468 Irish Rose  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 2:31:40pm

Did these advertisers remove Fox from their advertising budgets altogether, or did they just decline having their adverts on Becks' show?

469 sagehen  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 2:31:43pm

re: #160 Erik The Red

Let the free market decided whether he has a show or not. No listeners=No show. Easy. For you to say that "He is not entitled to a show" is against everything this great country stands for.

Should I assume you were equally outraged when Bill Maher's "Politically Incorrect" was pulled from ABC?

His ratings were fine, the show made money -- but he said something that offended a lot of people, there were many letters written, threats of a boycott, and he was off the air.

470 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 2:31:46pm

re: #312 tradewind

Color of Change deals it cards from the bottom of the race deck. Hardly any corporation is courageous enough to withstand that onslaught.
Not in public, anyway.

They're neither well-known or powerful, as, say, compared to Clorox.

471 DaddyG  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 2:31:54pm

re: #442 Wendya

I'm not particularly impressed with Color of Change, Rainbow/PUSH, AFA or any other well funded organization that attempts to bully, destroy or harm any business that doesn't toe their line.

I would be hapopier if the advertisers withdrawl was more spontaneous and less associated with a lobbying group. However it is their right to call for a boycott. I think it gives as much attention to Beck as it takes away.

472 Dreader1962  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 2:32:00pm

re: #455 Killgore Trout

Heh. He says he'd do it all over again. "freedom is not free"

He can do it nine more times.

473 Desert Dog  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 2:32:11pm

re: #466 DEZes

It was reattached, as far as having full use, only time will tell.
And thanks.

ouch...take care of yourself Dez.

I hope they gave you some good meds

474 jcm  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 2:32:19pm

re: #456 experiencedtraveller

That pinky is a martyr for the cause!

/

Give me liberty or give me pinky!

*apologizes to Patrick Henry*

475 John Neverbend  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 2:32:26pm

re: #403 tradewind

Sigh.
All the hoohah is just boosting Beck's ratings.

I had a feeling this would happen. A similar effect was caused by HWSNBN's being placed on a list of undesirables, including convicted criminals, and being denied entry to the UK (which I understand has since been reversed). The facts in his case are not the same as Beck's, however, and it was very difficult to explain the action by my government as anything other than a complete own goal.

476 Charpete67  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 2:32:37pm

re: #465 Pianobuff

The guy could be on meds for all we know.

after listening to him...I would like to give him the benefit of the doubt and say he was on meds...

477 [deleted]  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 2:32:40pm
478 Bagua  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 2:32:48pm

re: #464 Killgore Trout

First they eated the pinkies and I did not speak up...


John Bobbit got it much worse.

479 Dreader1962  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 2:33:04pm

re: #472 Dreader1962

I can't keep up the pace - I need more fingers to type with!

480 Danny  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 2:33:05pm

re: #465 Pianobuff

He was definitely on pain medication.

481 Bagua  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 2:33:25pm

I regret I have but one pinky to give for my country.

482 Pianobuff  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 2:33:49pm

re: #476 Charpete67

after listening to him...I would like to give him the benefit of the doubt and say he was on meds...

I didn't hear him. Sounds like he said some odd stuff though. Could be naturally loopy or chemically loopy (or both?).

483 experiencedtraveller  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 2:33:50pm

re: #474 jcm

Give me liberty or give me pinky!

I have not yet begun to use my pinky!

484 Charles Johnson  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 2:34:02pm

I'm watching the Glenn Beck show today so I can recognize the latest talking points when people start bringing them up at LGF -- which they always do.

485 DEZes  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 2:34:13pm

re: #467 callahan23

Ouch, I am so sorry my friend. I do hope they gave you the good painkillers and I hope your wounds heal completely. (DEZes)

I was doped up for 24 hours.
Morphine is the shit.
I filled my prescriptions today, but elected to not get the pain meds.
I will make do with Advil.

486 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 2:34:19pm

re: #459 buzzsawmonkey

I'd be happy to throw the first punch at a garden-party foodfight.

I would try to duck the flying Jello-mold.

We had one of those in high school. Took me quite a while to wash off the crepe Suzette threw at me.

487 jcm  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 2:34:26pm

re: #472 Dreader1962

He can do it nine more times.

They gave their last full finger...

*Apologizes to Abraham Lincoln*

488 DaddyG  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 2:34:31pm

re: #478 Bagua

John Bobbit got it much worse.


The older I get the less importance I attach to certin appendages and the more I would hate to lose anything that could help me scratch. I'm just saying.

489 wrenchwench  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 2:34:37pm

re: #464 Killgore Trout

First they eated the pinkies and I did not speak up...

OK, I'm laughing too hard to read now, I might as well go w*rk...

490 Charpete67  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 2:34:47pm

re: #482 Pianobuff

I didn't hear him. Sounds like he said some odd stuff though. Could be naturally loopy or chemically loopy (or both?).

both

491 Charles Johnson  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 2:34:50pm

He's demanding a response from the White House now.

492 Dreader1962  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 2:35:04pm

re: #482 Pianobuff

I didn't hear him. Sounds like he said some odd stuff though. Could be naturally loopy or chemically loopy (or both?).

Oh, come on! I watched it for one minute and Cavuto was calling him a hero.

Are you saying Cavuto was on meds, too?

493 SasquatchOnSteroids  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 2:35:05pm

re: #483 experiencedtraveller

I have not yet begun to use my pinky!

In bed.

494 jcm  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 2:35:06pm

re: #483 experiencedtraveller

I have not yet begun to use my pinky!

Damn the pinkies!
Full speed ahead!

495 Charles Johnson  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 2:35:46pm

Sure enough! Now he's pulling out the 9/11 Truther thing.

496 SteveC  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 2:35:46pm

re: #484 Charles

I'm watching the Glenn Beck show today so I can recognize the latest talking points when people start bringing them up at LGF -- which they always do.

Are your inoculations current, Charles? Are you wearing your rubber gloves?

497 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 2:35:54pm

re: #466 DEZes

It was reattached, as far as having full use, only time will tell.
And thanks.

Thanks for the reply.

*prayers*

498 Bagua  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 2:35:58pm

I hope Beck gets to the bottom of this outbreak of cannibalism endangering our freedoms.

499 Pianobuff  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 2:36:44pm

re: #484 Charles

I'm watching the Glenn Beck show today so I can recognize the latest talking points when people start bringing them up at LGF -- which they always do.

Charles - I'm curious about something, if you care to answer. You mentioned that you thought Gateway was an extremist blog. Which conservative blogs do you find to be the sanest/most reasonable?

500 experiencedtraveller  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 2:36:46pm

re: #493 SasquatchOnSteroids

In bed.

Ooooh. Kinky. I hadn't thought of that... Later all.

501 Flyers1974  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 2:36:46pm

re: #432 SanFranciscoZionist

In all fairness, Charles, I might not sound too together if someone had recently bitten my finger off at a health-care-reform demo.

He's is together enough to go on the news. I don't know, if it were me who just got a finger bitten off because of a ridiculous altercation, I'd have bigger fish to fry than politics. Like what's going wrong with my life...I'm missing a finger because of a ridiculous altercaton.

502 Charpete67  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 2:36:59pm

re: #495 Charles

he's getting his conspiracies mixed up?

503 SteveC  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 2:37:11pm

re: #498 Bagua

I hope Beck gets to the bottom of this outbreak of cannibalism endangering our freedoms.

Yes, this question has been eating at freedom loving Americans for some time now!

504 Neutral President  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 2:37:17pm

re: #491 Charles

He's demanding a response from the White House now.

As much as I cant stand Obama, his "response" should be a single finger salute. (No pun intended)

505 Pianobuff  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 2:37:27pm

re: #492 Dreader1962

Oh, come on! I watched it for one minute and Cavuto was calling him a hero.

Are you saying Cavuto was on meds, too?

Huh? I haven't seen or heard anything.

506 MJ  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 2:38:40pm

I have no love of Beck- I actually haven't seen him since he moved to Fox- except for the ravings posted here- but would like to ask
why is there no organized boycott of MSNBC for the regular appearances of Pat Buchanan on that network?

507 Charpete67  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 2:38:44pm

re: #505 Pianobuff

Huh? I haven't seen or heard anything.

look up thread...there's a video link.

508 Irish Rose  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 2:39:03pm

re: #268 DEZes

Good grief, thats' horrible!
What happened?

509 lostlakehiker  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 2:39:39pm

re: #207 Charles

The guy whose finger was bitten off is now starting to sound like a complete loon.

I'd reckon he's an incomplete loon. One digit short of a full hand. Not all there.

510 MandyManners  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 2:39:44pm

re: #442 Wendya

I'm not particularly impressed with Color of Change, Rainbow/PUSH, AFA or any other well funded organization that attempts to bully, destroy or harm any business that doesn't toe their line.

From the Ella Barker Center, co-founded by Van Jones, who also co-founded ColorofChange.

Third Eye Movement was one of the leading Hip Hop organizations here in the Bay that helped led the fight against California's infamous Prop 21 [Juvenile Crime Bill]. They had made a mark for themselves by using Hip Hop as a tool to help bring about social change. Over the past couple of years, it has not been unusual to see these cats show with as many as 500 people and shut down a business or spark up a rally. People are still talking how earlier this year, the group came through with close to 300 people and surrounded the Hilton Hotel in downtown San Francisco and shut it down. The owner of the Hotel chain had apparently contributed a bunch of money in support of Prop 21."[20]

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

511 DaddyG  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 2:39:53pm

Pinkie: So what are we going to do tomorrow Brain?

Brain: Take over the world!

512 Flyovercountry  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 2:39:58pm

re: #116 Dianna

I'm almost afraid to ask, but...before I google, who is Jim Kramer?

Jim Kramer has a show on one of the cable networks. He gives investment advice which makes me cringe everyday. It makes me cringe because he advises people to time the market, something which has a horrible track record. Watch his show carefuly, and you will see a disclaimer telling people to use his advice as entertainment only. He makes it fun by screaming and throwing objects around the set. The claim is that he got rich making sound investments, (usually when that claim is made, they got rich by selling books and having t.v. shows.) The advice is directly antithetical to any financial planning code of ethics, as he does not know who is watching his show. His advice could not possibly be appropriate for the entire country. Bear in mind also, when watching anyone on t.v., they have no actual clients to hold them accountable for their advice.

513 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 2:40:16pm

re: #426 unrealizedviewpoint

I'm not gonna say this again. I was addressing the Fairness Doctrine.

Which has absolutely nothing to do with what was being discussed, so why bring it up?

514 Pianobuff  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 2:40:24pm

re: #505 Pianobuff

Huh? I haven't seen or heard anything.

My comments were in response to what people here were saying about the guy, not anything I've seen personally.

Somewhat related: I'm reading that the biter was from Code Pink. Is there some irony that the Code Pink guy bit the pinkie of the old man? I'm sure there's a joke somewhere in there but I'm not thinking well today...

515 Pianobuff  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 2:40:47pm

re: #507 Charpete67

look up thread...there's a video link.

Oh. Must have scrolled by it. Thanks! Will do.

516 [deleted]  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 2:40:51pm
517 DaddyG  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 2:40:54pm

re: #506 MJ

I have no love of Beck- I actually haven't seen him since he moved to Fox- except for the ravings posted here- but would like to ask
why is there no organized boycott of MSNBC for the regular appearances of Pat Buchanan on that network?

The three people who watch MSNBC regularly were in the kitchen making sandwiches during those segments. /

518 Bagua  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 2:41:09pm

re: #509 lostlakehiker

I'd reckon he's an incomplete loon. One digit short of a full hand. Not all there.

That comment is Ad Handemin.

519 SasquatchOnSteroids  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 2:41:32pm

re: #516 buzzsawmonkey

Anti-Obamacare demonstrators needed in California.

They're a little short-handed right now.


Knuckle draggers welcome.

520 Neutral President  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 2:41:42pm

re: #495 Charles

Sure enough! Now he's pulling out the 9/11 Truther thing.

Wasn't Glenn Beck himself a 9/11 Troofer, or at least openly flirting with the idea, 4-ish years ago.

Maddox mentioned him a couple of times in his '9/11 Conspiracies are like being bukkaked with stupid' posting. Not that Maddox is a reliable source by any means.

521 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 2:41:48pm

re: #499 Pianobuff

Charles - I'm curious about something, if you care to answer. You mentioned that you thought Gateway was an extremist blog. Which conservative blogs do you find to be the sanest/most reasonable?

Very good question. I'd value your opinion too, Charles.
I have no current experience with any other than zombie's or Iowahawk's.

522 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 2:41:57pm

re: #506 MJ

All nine of their audience would be pissed.

523 Pianobuff  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 2:42:04pm

re: #516 buzzsawmonkey

Anti-Obamacare demonstrators needed in California.

They're a little short-handed right now.

The new tactic is to give the opposition the finger.

524 SteveC  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 2:42:14pm

re: #506 MJ

I have no love of Beck- I actually haven't seen him since he moved to Fox- except for the ravings posted here- but would like to ask
why is there no organized boycott of MSNBC for the regular appearances of Pat Buchanan on that network?

What's the use? The only ones watching MSNBC are the prisoners at Gitmo.

/Yes, we are torturing their asses, what of it?

525 MandyManners  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 2:42:25pm

re: #510 MandyManners

From the LINK TO Ella Barker Center, co-founded by Van Jones, who also co-founded ColorofChange.

Third Eye Movement was one of the leading Hip Hop organizations here in the Bay that helped led the fight against California's infamous Prop 21 [Juvenile Crime Bill]. They had made a mark for themselves by using Hip Hop as a tool to help bring about social change. Over the past couple of years, it has not been unusual to see these cats show with as many as 500 people and shut down a business or spark up a rally. People are still talking how earlier this year, the group came through with close to 300 people and surrounded the Hilton Hotel in downtown San Francisco and shut it down. The owner of the Hotel chain had apparently contributed a bunch of money in support of Prop 21."[20]

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

526 wrenchwench  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 2:42:27pm

Somebody please take these away from me before I do something I'll regret.

527 Mad Mullah  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 2:42:30pm

re: #514 Pianobuff

Is there some irony that the Code Pink guy bit the pinkie of the old man?

Not at all. I've always claimed that many of those so-called anti-war types are violent thugs that do not believe in freedom of speech and many of them even support dictators, terrorists and enemies of the USA.

528 callahan23  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 2:42:41pm

re: #519 SasquatchOnSteroids

Knuckle draggers welcome.

De-volute to protest? Nah, ...

529 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 2:42:49pm

re: #455 Killgore Trout

Heh. He says he'd do it all over again. "freedom is not free"

I thought it cost a buck-o-five. If a pinky is also required, can I have a couple of slugs of scotch first?

530 Bagua  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 2:42:59pm

re: #523 Pianobuff

The new tactic is to give the opposition the finger.

Nope, the new tactic is to eat the oppositions finger.

531 Charles Johnson  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 2:43:09pm

There is no Fairness Doctrine, by the way, and there is never going to be a return of the Fairness Doctrine. This is a completely bogus talking point the GOP yanks out of their trick bag every time they need to scare people.

I've been watching this stuff come up over and over and over for years, always brought up by the same people, and always a false alarm. It's pure fearmongering.

532 Dianna  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 2:43:13pm

re: #440 Killgore Trout

Punched him twice by him own admission.
"My hand was in his mouth and when it came out I was missing a finger"

There's a teachable moment if I ever saw one.

Yeah. Don't hit people.

533 DaddyG  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 2:43:30pm

re: #523 Pianobuff

The new tactic is to give the opposition the finger.

Protests in the digit-al age.

534 Pianobuff  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 2:43:34pm

re: #527 Mad Mullah

Not at all. I've always claimed that many of those so-called anti-war types are violent thugs that do not believe in freedom of speech and many of them even support dictators, terrorists and enemies of the USA.

I was thinking the more direct route...Code Pink-->Pinkie. Get the punchline waiting for a joke?

535 DEZes  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 2:43:46pm

re: #508 Irish Rose

Good grief, thats' horrible!
What happened?

Trying out a die I had just finished building, and didnt chock it and the upper platen came down on me.

536 Kosh's Shadow  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 2:43:48pm

re: #498 Bagua

I hope Beck gets to the bottom of this outbreak of cannibalism endangering our freedoms.

That will be a special show with Dr. Hannibal Lechter as guest.

537 [deleted]  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 2:44:43pm
538 Charpete67  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 2:44:44pm

re: #531 Charles

There is no Fairness Doctrine, by the way, and there is never going to be a return of the Fairness Doctrine. This is a completely bogus talking point the GOP yanks out of their trick bag every time they need to scare people.

I've been watching this stuff come up over and over and over, always brought up by the same people, and always a false alarm. It's pure fearmongering.

I don't think it's possible to return to the fairness doctrine...but, haven't there been some pretty prominent dems who have hinted or at least talked about their desire to have it back?...no?

539 VioletTiger  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 2:44:55pm

re: #268 DEZes

{DEZes}
Best wishes for a speedy recovery.

540 SteveC  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 2:44:57pm

re: #536 Kosh's Shadow

That will be a special show with Dr. Hannibal Lechter as guest.

BYOB!

541 SasquatchOnSteroids  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 2:44:57pm

re: #535 DEZes

Trying out a die I had just finished building, and didnt chock it and the upper platen came down on me.

Libral machine bitted my finger.

Man, I feel for you, really. Hope you have some nice painkillers.

542 ichef  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 2:45:02pm

Wonder if the biter had the "pinky" with some chanti and fava beans ...

543 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 2:45:06pm

re: #526 wrenchwench

Somebody please take these away from me before I do something I'll regret.

You're not the first.

544 Pianobuff  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 2:45:21pm

Tick-tock.

545 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 2:45:25pm

re: #481 Bagua

I regret I have but one pinky to give for my country.

You have only one? Or you're only willing to give one of them up?

546 MJ  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 2:45:30pm

re: #517 DaddyG

The three people who watch MSNBC regularly were in the kitchen making sandwiches during those segments. /

Perhaps. But MSNBC is NBC which is GE.
In effect, GE is legitimizing a Holocaust revisionist.

547 yochanan  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 2:45:37pm

i got the czar truther link from lgf links. I haven't watched beck since he made my wife cry when he used the Dachau ovens as a graphic for abortion.

the info on Jones was from a link posted above. the fact that one of the unelected tzar's is a truther is still relevant even if the source of the info is biased as all sources are biased now if the fact that the tzar did not sign the petition saying that President Bush that would be a different matter but if said tzar did sign said petition than the info is useful who ever put light on it.

548 Charles Johnson  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 2:45:38pm

re: #499 Pianobuff

Charles - I'm curious about something, if you care to answer. You mentioned that you thought Gateway was an extremist blog. Which conservative blogs do you find to be the sanest/most reasonable?

To be honest, I've reached the point where there's almost no conservative blog I can stand to read any more. They've almost all gone off the deep end since Obama's election.

Allahpundit is still usually pretty sane, but he's viciously attacked on a regular basis by his own readers.

549 KingKenrod  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 2:45:55pm

re: #531 Charles

There is no Fairness Doctrine, by the way, and there is never going to be a return of the Fairness Doctrine. This is a completely bogus talking point the GOP yanks out of their trick bag every time they need to scare people.

I've been watching this stuff come up over and over and over, always brought up by the same people, and always a false alarm. It's pure fearmongering.

Well, it was touted by some very high ranking Democrats during the campaign season last year. You can hardly blame the GOP for using a gift like that.

550 DaddyG  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 2:46:11pm

re: #537 ZoneDaiatlas Start a message to the blog host "your problem is..." that always works out well. /

551 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 2:46:14pm

re: #532 Dianna

How are you feeling today?

552 wrenchwench  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 2:46:39pm

re: #537 ZoneDaiatlas

Damn. 227 posts and 9 hours too soon.

553 Spare O'Lake  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 2:46:47pm

re: #532 Dianna

Yeah. Don't hit people.

And if you do, then for God's sake don't punch someone in the mouth with your pinky extended in front of your fist.

554 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 2:47:02pm

Just had a (yeah, boca) burger at Red Robin.

This freakin' rocked!

re: #539 VioletTiger

My wife had a finger cut off at work.

Yeah. It was a bad day.

555 Charles Johnson  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 2:47:09pm

re: #549 KingKenrod

Well, it was touted by some very high ranking Democrats during the campaign season last year. You can hardly blame the GOP for using a gift like that.

Another way of looking at it is that the GOP swallowed the bait.

556 Pianobuff  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 2:47:16pm

re: #548 Charles

To be honest, I've reached the point where there's almost no conservative blog I can stand to read any more. They've almost all gone off the deep end since Obama's election.

Allahpundit is still usually pretty sane, but he's viciously attacked on a regular basis by his own readers.

Thanks for the answer. You ever read Volokh? (which I'm not sure I'd classify as "purely" conservative).

557 [deleted]  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 2:47:17pm
558 [deleted]  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 2:47:32pm
559 MandyManners  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 2:47:48pm

re: #537 ZoneDaiatlas

GET YOUR OWN BLOG!

560 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 2:47:49pm

re: #553 Spare O'Lake

Pretty dainty punch, dontcha think.

Leave it to a lib...

561 Charpete67  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 2:47:59pm

re: #537 ZoneDaiatlas

Karma: -2

ZoneDaiatlas

(Logged in)
Registered since: Jan 1, 2009 at 8:25 pm
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562 Dianna  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 2:48:03pm

re: #444 Charpete67

...not to mention he just said he thought about having his finger bronzed and wearing it around his neck...

He said what?!

OK, his brain cooked.

563 kcladderman  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 2:48:31pm

re: #552 wrenchwench

Damn. 227 posts and 9 hours too soon.

I bet on another blog somewhere at this very moment someone is typing...Oh I really told Charles off.

564 Danny  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 2:48:55pm

When you refer to the "Truther thing" are you talking about thisre: #562 Dianna

On drugs. Literally.

In fairness, it appeared he was jesting.

565 Charpete67  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 2:49:09pm

re: #562 Dianna

He said what?!

OK, his brain cooked.

i'd like to say he was just joking...but, pretty weird...watch the video...his delivery makes it really creepy.

566 SteveC  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 2:49:31pm

re: #444 Charpete67

...not to mention he just said he thought about having his finger bronzed and wearing it around his neck...

Captain! Sensors are detecting a moron!

567 Danny  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 2:49:36pm

re: #564 Danny

PIMF, had two thoughts going and forgot to delete the first.

568 MJ  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 2:49:37pm

re: #548 Charles

To be honest, I've reached the point where there's almost no conservative blog I can stand to read any more. They've almost all gone off the deep end since Obama's election.

Allahpundit is still usually pretty sane, but he's viciously attacked on a regular basis by his own readers.

Contentions at Commentary is still excellent, IMHO.

569 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 2:49:46pm

What a stupid first flounce. The quality of gamey buttocks has really deteriorated. Nodrog, that was a tasty haunch of meat!

570 yochanan  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 2:49:53pm

re: #531 Charles

i have heard democrat pols supporting the fairness doc. and another thing they call local programing which will have the same effect.

571 Charles Johnson  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 2:50:14pm

Glenn Beck is screaming now. Demanding that everyone "CALL THE WHITEHOUSE NOW!"

572 Dianna  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 2:50:17pm

re: #551 pre-Boomer Marine brat

How are you feeling today?

Awful. Lack of sleep. Now, too much coffee. Ignore me.

573 DaddyG  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 2:50:17pm

Save some toasted troll buttocks for me. Gotta catch a bus. BBL

574 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 2:50:17pm

Good for the advertisers...

575 Irish Rose  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 2:51:26pm

re: #535 DEZes

Trying out a die I had just finished building, and didnt chock it and the upper platen came down on me.



I don't even know what to say, that's horrible... you must be in a tremendous amount of pain.

Are you going to be able to go back to work?

576 [deleted]  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 2:51:33pm
577 Charles Johnson  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 2:51:37pm

re: #568 MJ

Contentions at Commentary is still excellent, IMHO.

I agree, that's another pretty good one that hasn't been completely infected with ODS.

578 Charpete67  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 2:51:42pm

re: #571 Charles

Glenn Beck is screaming now. Demanding that everyone "CALL THE WHITEHOUSE NOW!"

...I think Vonage dropped him...so, no conspiracy...

579 avanti  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 2:51:46pm

Beck is asking viewers to call the White House switchboard and demand answers about all the Commies. Number was at the bottom of the screen to call, that should be interesting.

580 MandyManners  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 2:52:01pm

re: #571 Charles

Glenn Beck is screaming now. Demanding that everyone "CALL THE WHITEHOUSE NOW!"

Spittle, too?

581 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 2:52:09pm

re: #571 Charles

Glenn Beck is screaming now. Demanding that everyone "CALL THE WHITEHOUSE NOW!"

OK. What should I tell them when I get through? That Glenn Beck is screaming for help?

582 LSD  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 2:52:11pm

Which of these companies have ever advertised on Glenn Beck?

583 Dianna  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 2:52:15pm

re: #553 Spare O'Lake

And if you do, then for God's sake don't punch someone in the mouth with your pinky extended in front of your fist.

You know, I am really having trouble picturing that.

584 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 2:52:16pm

re: #572 Dianna

Awful. Lack of sleep. Now, too much coffee. Ignore me.

:D
Okay, I'll ignore you after I give you a get-better {Dianna} hug.

585 Charles Johnson  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 2:52:27pm

re: #576 buzzsawmonkey

He thinks he's Peter Finch in "Network"--without understanding what that film really said.

What's he demanding the White House be called about?

Obama's plan to grab all our freedoms and eat everyone's pinkies, of course.

586 SteveC  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 2:52:34pm

re: #569 Alouette

What a stupid first flounce. The quality of gamey buttocks has really deteriorated. Nodrog, that was a tasty haunch of meat!

It really is a shame. The old school, experienced trolls have either gotten hit with the ban stick or have moved on to the greener pastures of Obamaland. There's no one around to teach these new trolls how to take care of themselves. And because of it, the troll meat is getting sinewy and puny.

We need a Troll School!

587 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 2:53:31pm

re: #579 avanti

Beck is asking viewers to call the White House switchboard and demand answers about all the Commies. Number was at the bottom of the screen to call, that should be interesting.

Why, is the number unlisted?

588 yochanan  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 2:53:54pm

re: #571 Charles

your watching beck so we don't have too.

not that i would in anycase.

589 [deleted]  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 2:54:00pm
590 DEZes  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 2:54:01pm

re: #575 Irish Rose

I don't even know what to say, that's horrible... you must be in a tremendous amount of pain.

Are you going to be able to go back to work?

I will be back at work Friday, for the most part the pain isnt that bad

591 MandyManners  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 2:54:31pm

re: #582 LSD

Which of these companies have ever advertised on Glenn Beck?

CoC got caught in a lie about two companies a week ago or so. The group said that they said they'd never advertise on Beck again but, the companies never had done it in the first place.

592 Charpete67  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 2:54:41pm

re: #579 avanti

Beck is asking viewers to call the White House switchboard and demand answers about all the Commies. Number was at the bottom of the screen to call, that should be interesting.

hello...is Barack there?...ok, I'll hold...

593 Pianobuff  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 2:55:06pm

re: #586 SteveC

It really is a shame. The old school, experienced trolls have either gotten hit with the ban stick or have moved on to the greener pastures of Obamaland. There's no one around to teach these new trolls how to take care of themselves. And because of it, the troll meat is getting sinewy and puny.

We need a Troll School!

I haven't been here as long as most. Is there a flounce in lizardlore that is considered "The Ultimate Flounce" - the flounce of which legends are made?

594 Charles Johnson  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 2:55:11pm

He just said, "CALL THE WHITEHOUSE NOW!!! And be respectful ... wait, I don't know why I need to ask my audience to be respectful."

Oh brother.

595 LSD  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 2:55:15pm

re: #591 MandyManners

That why I think the "boycott" is a bunch of Bunk...

596 Danny  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 2:55:36pm

I've never called the White House. Do they actually answer or have an answering machine or what?

597 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 2:55:38pm

re: #590 DEZes

I will be back at work Friday, for the most part the pain isnt that bad

Well, treat yourself nicely, and be well. Are you at least gonna take a few days off the machines? If you're going to take your pain meds, you'll need to, no?

598 MandyManners  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 2:55:44pm

re: #586 SteveC

It really is a shame. The old school, experienced trolls have either gotten hit with the ban stick or have moved on to the greener pastures of Obamaland. There's no one around to teach these new trolls how to take care of themselves. And because of it, the troll meat is getting sinewy and puny.

We need a Troll School!

Advanced Flouncing 401.

599 [deleted]  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 2:55:52pm
600 yochanan  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 2:56:03pm

well that should keep the secret service busy for some time.

601 LSD  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 2:56:19pm

re: #599 restitutor orbis

Yikes! Touchy!

602 Flyers1974  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 2:56:35pm

re: #469 sagehen

re: #549 KingKenrod

Well, it was touted by some very high ranking Democrats during the campaign season last year. You can hardly blame the GOP for using a gift like that.

There has been scattered calls for it by a few very liberal senators and reps. Bill Clinton indicated he wanted it back. Obama consistently against reinstatement.

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

603 Charles Johnson  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 2:56:42pm

re: #599 restitutor orbis

Bye now! That was an excellent flounce, by the way.

604 SteveC  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 2:56:44pm

re: #579 avanti

Beck is asking viewers to call the White House switchboard and demand answers about all the Commies. Number was at the bottom of the screen to call, that should be interesting.

Hey! Are there still Season Tickets available for the Commie Games this year?

605 callahan23  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 2:56:45pm

re: #589 buzzsawmonkey

Bitestopper's Textbook: Rookie demonstrators! Loss of manual appendages can be forestalled by proper use of brass knuckles!

What an excellent sound that'll make dragging their knuckles over the pavement.
Calumk, clinc, clinc ...

606 [deleted]  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 2:56:54pm
607 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 2:57:09pm

I wonder if Beck's most fundamental problem (as an entertainer) is that he's actually come to believe all this crap.

/yes, there is sarc in that ... multiple levels

608 VioletTiger  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 2:57:12pm

re: #598 MandyManners

Advanced Flouncing 401.

That's a graduate course.
You need a B.S. in troll to sign up for it.

609 Digital Display  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 2:57:23pm

re: #579 avanti

Beck is asking viewers to call the White House switchboard and demand answers about all the Commies. Number was at the bottom of the screen to call, that should be interesting.

I called and got coupons for a 6 piece crystal set.. 3 Che' Tee-shirts..2 boxes of Cuban Cigars.. and Hugo's Autograph...
I'm still looking for my Larry Bird throw back jersey...The White House Rocks!
/

610 Charpete67  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 2:57:27pm

re: #599 restitutor orbis

I've not been here that long either...but, that's gotta be up there for flouncing...

611 Spare O'Lake  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 2:57:29pm

re: #571 Charles

Glenn Beck is screaming now. Demanding that everyone "CALL THE WHITEHOUSE NOW!"

Thank you Charles, and (almost) everyone, for another excellent discussion.
LGF rules.
Gotta go aggravate someone else for awhile.

612 DEZes  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 2:57:35pm

re: #597 SanFranciscoZionist

Well, treat yourself nicely, and be well. Are you at least gonna take a few days off the machines? If you're going to take your pain meds, you'll need to, no?

I do all the design work and programming for the CNC's, and that will be all I can do for a few weeks.

613 Charles Johnson  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 2:57:35pm

The flounce rate is accelerating.

614 Danny  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 2:57:51pm

Annngry trolll.

615 Sharmuta  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 2:57:56pm

re: #599 restitutor orbis

You talk to your mother with that mouth?

616 Gus  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 2:57:57pm

Watching the health care town hall in Montclair NJ with Cong. Bill Pascrell (D-NJ). He just got a question with a comment from an attendee and she commented about the people working on HR 3200 having communist connections.

617 SteveC  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 2:58:10pm

re: #596 Danny

I've never called the White House. Do they actually answer or have an answering machine or what?

Nope, you get an actual person. But ask for the Big Guy in charge and he can't take your call right now.

618 MJ  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 2:58:19pm

re: #577 Charles

I agree, that's another pretty good one that hasn't been completely infected with ODS.

They killed off the comments which was fine with me.

I think all too often what happens with blogs is that they become enamored over the number of comments that are posted. The crazier the post, the more comments. Very few bloggers understand that they are being sucked in to a more extreme position as time goes on. It takes someone who has the self-confidence to say, "hey, this is not what I stand for" and to pull back from the abyss.

619 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 2:58:41pm

Ok, the standard disclaimers... Beck is a nut, drama queen, fruitcake and I don't even watch him. There is actually a very visible pathology to me that indicates an actually mentally ill person.

That said, what's really up. Fox has not budged, the advertisers have move their spots, but they haven't left Fox and Beck's show numbers are going up.

Hmmm, I'm in the entertainment business, been in and out of it for over 40 years, I smell a marketing campaign which is working quite well.

In the least, it gets people to Fox, Beck becomes a lead in that possibly carries over the viewers to the next hour, Murdock is getting press all over the place and I don't see once ounce of evidence that this is in anyway hurting Beck or Fox.

Hmmm...

620 VioletTiger  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 2:58:45pm

That was quick. I always miss the flounces.

621 Athos  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 2:58:50pm

re: #555 Charles

Another way of looking at it is that the GOP swallowed the bait.

Embracing BDS didn't not provide Obama with the win in November - yes, running as 'not Bush' did help - but the main message was 'Hope and Change' which swung the moderates his way. His poll numbers are in trouble because he's not really delivering on the moderate version of Hope and Change...as evidenced by the Stimulus, Cap and Trade, and Health Care reform as the primary initiatives that are causing massive angst.

Embracing ODS will not help the GOP with win's - just as embracing the Birchers, 4409'ers, and associated libretarian loons will not help engage and away the moderates or center/right. It's not difficult, just avoid taking the loony bait - and develop / articulate cogent ideas and visions.

622 [deleted]  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 2:58:56pm
623 cybermonk  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 2:59:00pm

re: #327 Charles

Beck is calling Obama a radical revolutionary Marxist right now.

well it would seem that Obama is surrounding himself with radical communists and marxists, so what else should we be thinking?

624 Bagua  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 2:59:00pm

The Fingerless Patriot says at the end of the video says:

Freedom Is Not Free

but not overly expensive as it costs just one digit.

625 MandyManners  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 2:59:05pm

Dinner reservations in about 30 minutes. Later, Lizards!

626 yochanan  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 2:59:11pm

re: #605 callahan23

i am sure the SEIU THUGS know a thing or two about brASS

JUST CALL THE ED. COMM.

627 SasquatchOnSteroids  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 2:59:41pm

Parents upset over 'leftist propaganda' video

A school principal has apologized for showing a video at an assembly that a politically conservative group leader is calling "radical, leftist propaganda."

Children at Eagle Bay Elementary School in Farmington were shown a short video called "I pledge" on Aug. 28. The video opens with an image of President Barack Obama and part of a speech in which he says, "Let us summon a new spirit of patriotism, of responsibility where each of us resolves to pitch in and work harder and look after not only ourselves but each other." The video then features celebrities making pledges about how they will help the president and the world -- and that's where some say the problem lies.

I've taken the wait and see what he says to Obamas' speech next Tuesday.
I can understand parents misgivings when I see shit like this, though.

628 Irish Rose  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 2:59:45pm

re: #548 Charles

To be honest, I've reached the point where there's almost no conservative blog I can stand to read any more. They've almost all gone off the deep end since Obama's election.

Allahpundit is still usually pretty sane, but he's viciously attacked on a regular basis by his own readers.

Yeah he is... but I have a hard time working up any sympathy for him. He lets haters, liars and slanderers trash you on a daily basis, Charles, and does nothing to stop it. If he doesn't like it being done to him, then he shouldn't allow it to be done to someone else.

I delinked him until he decides to get his act together.

629 DEZes  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 3:00:00pm

re: #625 MandyManners

Dinner reservations in about 30 minutes. Later, Lizards!

I better hurry then.

630 yochanan  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 3:00:05pm

re: #619 Walter L. Newton

PT BARNUM

631 Gus  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 3:00:22pm

Health care town hall in Montclair, New Jersey
Watch Now: Live on [Link: www.CNN.com...]

Link's at the top. It's getting "colorful."

632 LSD  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 3:00:23pm

re: #619 Walter L. Newton

This "Boycott" does not hurt Beck at all. Not one bit.

633 Bagua  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 3:00:37pm

re: #625 MandyManners

Dinner reservations in about 30 minutes. Later, Lizards!

Will you be serving any finger food as appetizer?

634 CyanSnowHawk  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 3:01:03pm

re: #491 Charles

He's demanding a response from the White House now.

Aren't we all?

/I want my beer with Obama!

635 fizzlogic  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 3:01:10pm

re: #531 Charles

There is no Fairness Doctrine, by the way, and there is never going to be a return of the Fairness Doctrine. This is a completely bogus talking point the GOP yanks out of their trick bag every time they need to scare people.

I've been watching this stuff come up over and over and over for years, always brought up by the same people, and always a false alarm. It's pure fearmongering.

I tell my uber RW brother the same thing but he says the Dems have a secret backdoor way that'll do just the same. :O You can't win. :)

636 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 3:01:19pm

re: #613 Charles

The flounce rate is accelerating.

I protest! Stinky's so fast with the pipe wrench, the only was to see these is to avoid commenting and stay smack at the bottom of the thread.
WAAAHHH!

637 SasquatchOnSteroids  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 3:01:50pm

re: #636 pre-Boomer Marine brat

I protest! Stinky's so fast with the pipe wrench, the only was to see these is to avoid commenting and stay smack at the bottom of the thread.
WAAAHHH!

Pinky Beaumont.

Get it right.

//

638 Charpete67  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 3:01:52pm

re: #635 trendsurfer

I tell my uber RW brother the same thing but he says the Dems have a secret backdoor way that'll do just the same. :O You can't win. :)

in bed

639 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 3:02:12pm

re: #632 LSD

This "Boycott" does not hurt Beck at all. Not one bit.

I think I said that.

640 callahan23  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 3:02:21pm

re: #625 MandyManners

Dinner reservations in about 30 minutes. Later, Lizards!

Will there be troll sashimi ?

641 LSD  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 3:02:34pm

re: #639 Walter L. Newton

You did...I just agree...

642 Danny  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 3:02:36pm

re: #620 VioletTiger

That was quick. I always miss the flounces.

Use the Spy thing, it keeps them visible.

643 Athos  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 3:02:47pm

re: #636 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Maybe there needs to be a special thread on the week's greatest flounces - and then we can ridicule them one more time...

644 cybermonk  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 3:02:49pm

re: #635 trendsurfer
yes its called diversity, local outlets.

645 Dianna  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 3:03:26pm

Good night! Take care!

646 VioletTiger  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 3:03:32pm

re: #631 Gus 802

Health care town hall in Montclair, New Jersey
Watch Now: Live on [Link:

647 [deleted]  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 3:03:34pm
648 callahan23  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 3:03:50pm

re: #645 Dianna

Good night! Take care!

Sweet dreams.

649 Danny  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 3:04:10pm

re: #643 Athos

I like that idea! THey could be put in a private Lizard Lounge thread and put to a vote.

650 SteveC  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 3:04:17pm

You can go to hell, I'm going to Texas. - Davy Crockett, in one of history's first recorded flounces.

651 SasquatchOnSteroids  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 3:04:29pm

re: #647 buzzsawmonkey

If that's the "pledge video" I've seen, it shows a bunch of preening, narcissistic film and entertainment people who've decided that the United States is only now worthy of their attention since the Great Barack has ascended to the Oval Office, and in honor of this historic event have pledged to do minuscule driblets of good which they could have been doing right along.

Your assumption would be dead on balls accurate.

652 jcm  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 3:04:31pm

re: #625 MandyManners

Dinner reservations in about 30 minutes. Later, Lizards!

Finger food?

653 Diego  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 3:04:35pm

As someone who considers himself a moderate Democrat, I don't like Beck, but probably not for any reason you'd think. I don't like Beck because what he is doing to the 'base' of the GOP.

I firmly believe in the two party system and that they should work together for the good of the country, addressing the issues we face as a united nation. Beck and those like him, on the right AND the left, make this unlikely if not impossible by encouraging divisiveness and contention, and damned ugly mouth-frothing madness.

There will be some no doubt who don't think I'm being sincere, but let me assure you that I am. While some might think we can do without the Republicans (Kosaks), and others that we can do without the Democrats (Freepers), those are the two major parties in this country and neither should ever have carte blanche over it's legislature. A weak GOP during a DEM prevalence is as much a danger to this nation as a week DEM during a GOP dominance.

Beck and others are feeding the crazy in the country and encouraging a rift that will take God only knows how many years to heal, if it can ever actually be healed. Ignorant, stupid, baseless crazy has no place in honest dialog. The GOP is there to balance the Democrats and they can't do that effectively when they parrot the insanity of groups who flog the "Obama is a Sekret Muslin" (sic), "Obama isn't American", "Democrats are not Real Americans", "It's all a Fascist/Marxist/Islamic/Communist takeover".

None of that is adult discourse. None of that advances us as a country. And none of that has one damn thing to do with governing this nation.

I fully support Beck's right to say what he likes, and my right to call him on it. Color Of Change has every right to present Becks statements to his advertisers and ask them to remove their support from his show just as the advertisers have every right to agree with Beck and not withdraw that support.

But most of all I support the ruling parties to engage in honest, logical, adult governance to the betterment of us all and that can't happen when hyperbole is the flavor of the day and innuendo replaces sound thinking.

654 Neutral President  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 3:04:45pm

re: #628 Irish Rose

I think it's just a tad too late for them to try to impose any kind of civility or order on the crazy chaos they have allowed to prosper. It would be a Herculean task. Charles avoided it by taking a stand on it along time ago. Hot Air didn't and is paying the price. Hot Air is the DKos of conservative blogs (just as Townhall is the HuffPo equivalent and Free Republic is the DU equivalent).

655 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 3:04:54pm

re: #643 Athos

Maybe there needs to be a special thread on the week's greatest flounces - and then we can ridicule them one more time...

GMTA !
I thought of something like that why composing my comment -- expecially now that we have private threads !

656 Mad Mullah  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 3:05:01pm

re: #635 trendsurfer

I tell my uber RW brother the same thing but he says the Dems have a secret backdoor way that'll do just the same. :O You can't win. :)

I would probably agree with your ultra RW brother, because the "diversity czar" is apparently a big fan of Chavez and since I don't trust Obama or any of the radical goons that he has hired, there is good reason to be suspicious of these anti-democratic people and their plans. The best evidence against these people is their own words.

657 Charles Johnson  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 3:05:06pm

re: #627 SasquatchOnSteroids

Parents upset over 'leftist propaganda' video

I've taken the wait and see what he says to Obamas' speech next Tuesday.
I can understand parents misgivings when I see shit like this, though.

That video is more than eight months old, it was not produced by the Obama administration, and it's pretty far from being anything like "radical."

658 Pianobuff  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 3:05:09pm

Interesting Flounce Statistics

- Average account age of flouncer over time.

This would tell you whether sock or sleeper accounts are in increasing supply or decreasing supply.

- #Total Flounces per tag (in descending order)

This would tell you a predicted flounce rate per thread based on the thread content.

- Average First Flounce Message # per tag

This would give you the probable Vegas over/under line on a given thread based on its content.

659 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 3:05:28pm

re: #655 pre-Boomer Marine brat

GMTA !
I thought of something like that why composing my comment -- expecially now that we have private threads !

PIMF --- while composing my comment

660 Irish Rose  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 3:06:35pm

re: #653 Diego

Very well stated.

661 SasquatchOnSteroids  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 3:06:41pm

re: #657 Charles

That video is more than eight months old, it was not produced by the Obama administration, and it's pretty far from being anything like "radical."

Shown by a principal.

Great judgement.

662 CyanSnowHawk  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 3:07:08pm

re: #613 Charles

The flounce rate is accelerating.

ZoneDaiatlas

This user is blocked.

Registered since: Jan 1, 2009 at 8:25 pm
No. of comments posted: -1
No. of links posted: 0

Just exactly how hard do you have to get hit with the stick to wind up with -1 comments?

663 SteveC  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 3:07:24pm

re: #653 Diego

As someone who considers himself a moderate Democrat...
I firmly believe in the two party system and that they should work together for the good of the country, addressing the issues we face as a united nation.

My word! Someone take his photo! I have seen one like him in a long time!

664 Irish Rose  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 3:07:50pm

re: #654 ArchangelMichael

I think it's just a tad too late for them to try to impose any kind of civility or order on the crazy chaos they have allowed to prosper. It would be a Herculean task. Charles avoided it by taking a stand on it along time ago. Hot Air didn't and is paying the price. Hot Air is the DKos of conservative blogs (just as Townhall is the HuffPo equivalent and Free Republic is the DU equivalent).

I agree with you, sadly.

665 callahan23  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 3:07:50pm

re: #662 CyanSnowHawk

ZoneDaiatlas

This user is blocked.

Registered since: Jan 1, 2009 at 8:25 pm
No. of comments posted: -1
No. of links posted: 0

Just exactly how hard do you have to get hit with the stick to wind up with -1 comments?

Out of the ball-park.

666 MJ  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 3:07:51pm

re: #647 buzzsawmonkey

If that's the "pledge video" I've seen, it shows a bunch of preening, narcissistic film and entertainment people who've decided that the United States is only now worthy of their attention since the Great Barack has ascended to the Oval Office, and in honor of this historic event have pledged to do minuscule driblets of good which they could have been doing right along.

Is this the one?

It's a hoot.

667 Bagua  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 3:07:54pm

re: #658 Pianobuff

Interesting Flounce Statistics

- Average account age of flouncer over time.

This would tell you whether sock or sleeper accounts are in increasing supply or decreasing supply.

- #Total Flounces per tag (in descending order)

This would tell you a predicted flounce rate per thread based on the thread content.

- Average First Flounce Message # per tag

This would give you the probable Vegas over/under line on a given thread based on its content.

Yes, and it would be handy to have the Delta and Gamma of all flounces relative logged on users so we could devise a good options strategy to profit from this trend.

668 Danny  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 3:08:13pm

re: #658 Pianobuff

Maybe those Carnegie Mellon propeller heads who were studying political blogs a while back might be interested in doing flounce-frequency research.

669 Neutral President  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 3:08:18pm

re: #662 CyanSnowHawk

The comment created a naked wingularity.

670 yochanan  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 3:08:35pm

re: #653 Diego

THE BDS was just the other side of this coin.

671 SasquatchOnSteroids  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 3:09:02pm

re: #666 MJ

Is this the one?


[Video]

It's a hoot.

Video is at the bottom page of the story I linked to.

672 SteveC  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 3:09:10pm

re: #669 ArchangelMichael

The comment created a naked wingularity.

Someone crossed the streams!

673 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 3:09:11pm

re: #662 CyanSnowHawk

Just exactly how hard do you have to get hit with the stick to wind up with -1 comments?

Maybe Stinky topped him and drove him down into the infield dirt.

674 jcm  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 3:09:26pm

re: #662 CyanSnowHawk

ZoneDaiatlas

This user is blocked.

Registered since: Jan 1, 2009 at 8:25 pm
No. of comments posted: -1
No. of links posted: 0

Just exactly how hard do you have to get hit with the stick to wind up with -1 comments?

Stinky pounded that one right into the ground.

675 Charles Johnson  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 3:09:53pm

re: #666 MJ

Is this the one?


[Video]

It's a hoot.

Yes, that's the video they're freaking out about.

676 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 3:10:11pm

re: #653 Diego

Very nice post, although I don't agree with every point, but still, very nice comment [ah, come on, tell us the truth, you clipped and pasted that, right] :)

677 jcm  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 3:10:12pm

re: #673 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Maybe Stinky topped him and drove him down into the infield dirt.

re: #674 jcm

Stinky pounded that one right into the ground.

GMTA!

678 [deleted]  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 3:10:46pm
679 [deleted]  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 3:11:08pm
680 OldLineTexan  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 3:11:45pm

re: #650 SteveC

You can go to hell, I'm going to Texas. - Davy Crockett, in one of history's first recorded flounces.

Davy kilt a bar ... that was no flounce. He was addressing the US Congress, too.

681 Gus  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 3:12:00pm

re: #675 Charles

Yes, that's the video they're freaking out about.

They're babbling about that here:

[Link: interactive.foxnews.com...]

That's Glenn Beck live right now.

Delete this if you don't want the link here.

682 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 3:12:09pm

re: #674 jcm

Stinky pounded that one right into the ground.

*giggle*
Beat you to it by 16 seconds!

/insufferable ego attack

683 Diego  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 3:12:15pm

re: #660 Irish Rose

Thank you

 
re: #670 yochanan

THE BDS was just the other side of this coin.

Without a doubt

684 freetoken  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 3:12:17pm

re: #666 MJ

Wow... now that is subversive!

/

685 Charles Johnson  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 3:12:19pm

re: #678 laxmatt1984

If you don't like what's posted at LGF, start your own blog.

686 Neutral President  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 3:12:22pm

re: #678 laxmatt1984

So the blue comments above saying in a nutshell "stop posting this bullshit" doesn't apply to you?

687 CyanSnowHawk  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 3:12:41pm

re: #678 laxmatt1984

Not much for skimming the thread for warnings from Charles before you post, are you?

688 SteveC  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 3:13:04pm

248 comments, 5 karma? Are we not raising these children right?

689 reine.de.tout  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 3:13:19pm

re: #653 Diego

Diego - good job.

690 OldLineTexan  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 3:13:28pm

re: #688 SteveC

248 comments, 5 karma? Are we not raising these children right?

I blame Bush.

/

691 [deleted]  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 3:13:43pm
692 Sharmuta  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 3:14:15pm

re: #678 laxmatt1984

Dude- that's nothing. The Bible is communist propaganda- glenn beck told me.

693 SasquatchOnSteroids  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 3:14:23pm

"I pledge to be a servant to our President, and all mankind, because together we can, together we are, and together we will be the change that we seek"

Nope, nothing creepy about that.

694 Neutral President  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 3:14:45pm

re: #691 buzzsawmonkey

Boy oh boy--blink and you miss the beatdown.

Stinky is Johnny on the Spot today.

695 Diego  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 3:15:02pm

re: #676 Walter L. Newton

Very nice post, although I don't agree with every point, but still, very nice comment [ah, come on, tell us the truth, you clipped and pasted that, right] :)

Friend, I'm actually starting to appreciate you.

Oh shit, did I just say that? I'm starting to feel light headed..

;)

696 jcm  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 3:15:06pm

re: #682 pre-Boomer Marine brat

/insufferable ego attack

That you Mr. President?

/;-P

697 SteveC  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 3:15:12pm

re: #693 SasquatchOnSteroids

"I pledge to be a servant to our President, and all mankind, because together we can, together we are, and together we will be the change that we seek"

Excellent! Fetch my beer.

698 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 3:15:53pm

re: #693 SasquatchOnSteroids

"I pledge to be a servant to our President, and all mankind, because together we can, together we are, and together we will be the change that we seek"

Nope, nothing creepy about that.

Excuse me, where did you get that quote?

699 Charles Johnson  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 3:15:53pm

re: #693 SasquatchOnSteroids

"I pledge to be a servant to our President, and all mankind, because together we can, together we are, and together we will be the change that we seek"

Nope, nothing creepy about that.

I don't get anything creepy from that at all. It's just the typical pompous stupid celebrity BS.

700 Daria Emmons  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 3:16:04pm

I just wanted to say that while I can't say I support Color of Change (they are a far leftist group, affiliated with the unsavory Van Jones), I also do not support Glenn Beck.

It stinks that there are so many unsavory types of every political persuasion.

There is not one political news show that I like or watch. This is an extreme indictment on the mainstream media today.

701 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 3:16:09pm

re: #696 jcm

That you Mr. President?

/;-P

How did you know?

702 jcm  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 3:16:32pm

re: #694 ArchangelMichael

Stinky is Johnny on the Spot today.

Hard to get in any whacks with Stinky being that fast.

703 Desert Dog  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 3:16:39pm

re: #693 SasquatchOnSteroids

"I pledge to be a servant to our President, and all mankind, because together we can, together we are, and together we will be the change that we seek"

Nope, nothing creepy about that.

I pledge to barf if someone says that to me

704 yochanan  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 3:16:56pm

re: #693 SasquatchOnSteroids

re: #699 Charles

well the president used to be the servent of the people this makes him like the fearless leader

705 sagehen  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 3:17:10pm

re: #378 Charpete67

Cynthia Mckinney...she's a whack job...but, she's your whack job


[Video]

And her party reacted by giving her a primary challenger and putting her out of office.

706 LSD  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 3:17:19pm

re: #703 Desert Dog

I pledge to barf if someone says that to me

I threw up in my mouth just reading it...

707 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 3:17:27pm

re: #702 jcm

Hard to get in any whacks with Stinky being that fast.

You wanna bet. Hey Buzzsawmonkey, wanna play a joke?

708 Athos  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 3:17:42pm

re: #702 jcm

Hard to get in any whacks with Stinky being that fast.

Have to get the whacks in order to tendorize the gamey troll buttocks...

709 OldLineTexan  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 3:17:44pm

re: #700 Daria Emmons

I just wanted to say that while I can't say I support Color of Change (they are a far leftist group, affiliated with the unsavory Van Jones), I also do not support Glenn Beck.

It stinks that there are so many unsavory types of every political persuasion.

There is not one political news show that I like or watch. This is an extreme indictment on the mainstream media today.

Van's a Troofer.

That's past unsavory, IMO.

710 [deleted]  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 3:18:02pm
711 callahan23  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 3:18:03pm

re: #703 Desert Dog

I pledge to barf if someone says that to me

I so envy you for being able to barf on demand.
half a /

712 SteveC  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 3:18:07pm

re: #699 Charles

I don't get anything creepy from that at all. It's just the typical pompous stupid celebrity BS.

King Moron kissing his biceps as he pledged Allegiance to President Obama made me giggle!

713 reine.de.tout  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 3:18:09pm

re: #693 SasquatchOnSteroids

"I pledge to be a servant to our President, and all mankind, because together we can, together we are, and together we will be the change that we seek"

Nope, nothing creepy about that.

I don't find it creepy, I just find it stupid.
". . . together we can, together we are, and together we will be the change that we seek".
WTF?

and what about the change other people seek? Do they have a clue other people exist?

Just stupid.

714 SasquatchOnSteroids  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 3:18:20pm

re: #698 Walter L. Newton

Excuse me, where did you get that quote?

It's at the end of a video, shown by a principal to students in Utah.

Vid at bottom.

715 jcm  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 3:18:20pm

re: #707 Walter L. Newton

You wanna bet. Hey Buzzsawmonkey, wanna play a joke?

Uh, oh!

*puts on helmet*

716 Pianobuff  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 3:18:29pm

re: #708 Athos

Have to get the whacks in order to tendorize the gamey troll buttocks...

...In bed...

717 Gus  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 3:18:44pm

It's one video that was made for the inauguration of your president that was shown at one school and the principle apologized. There is nothing controversial in that video and it was produced by Katalyst Media and Ashton Kutcher.

It's not a conspiracy.

718 Sharmuta  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 3:19:05pm

re: #713 reine.de.tout

It's how celebrities stroke their egos- talking down to us little people.

719 Daria Emmons  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 3:19:13pm

re: #705 sagehen

And her party reacted by giving her a primary challenger and putting her out of office.

Yet other wackos, such as Dennis Kucinich, Maxine Waters, and John Conyers remain.

For every (at least seemingly good) politician, such as Steve Rothman, there are bad ones, such as the ones I listed above, and their Repub equivalents.

We need a movement which defends freedom from tyranny, and not in a Ron Paul-crazy person way.

720 Charles Johnson  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 3:19:21pm

re: #709 OldLineTexan

Van's a Troofer.

That's past unsavory, IMO.

His name is on a 9/11 Truther site.

Why would you believe anything you find on a 9/11 Truther site?

721 Digital Display  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 3:19:26pm

Yesterday..
All my Flounces seemed so far away
Now It looks like I'm no longer to stay
Oh I how believe in Yesterday

Suddenly..I'm not half the poster I used to be
Stinky's stick is swinging over me
Yesterday came suddenly

Why I had to go
I'm not going to say
I said something wrong
Now I long for Yesterday

Yesterday.. Posting was such an easy game to play..
Now I need a place to hide away
Oh I believe In Yesterday...

722 fizzlogic  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 3:19:32pm

re: #653 Diego

... they can't do that effectively when they parrot the insanity of groups who flog the "Obama is a Sekret Muslin" (sic), "Obama isn't American", "Democrats are not Real Americans", "It's all a Fascist/Marxist/Islamic/Communist takeover".

That kind of crazy is what finally drove me away from the GOP and conservatism. Every reaction to the Democrats is distorted by those views. I hit my breaking point about the time when Ann Coulter published her book calling the Dems godless. For the current Right, reason is thrown to the wind and replaced with slogans, dogma, and pure hatred. It ain't a way to win converts much less run a country.

723 Neutral President  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 3:19:40pm

I wish I could find the Frank Cross rant about the hammering from Scrooged on youtube. I may have to make that video myself tonight.

/Facepalm

724 Lee Coller  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 3:19:41pm

re: #538 Charpete67

I don't think it's possible to return to the fairness doctrine...but, haven't there been some pretty prominent dems who have hinted or at least talked about their desire to have it back?...no?

There are plenty of Dems who want to return to the fairness doctrine, Obama I believe is on record as NOT being one of them.

That being said, I agree with Hugh Hewitt on this one, its not going to happen.

725 SasquatchOnSteroids  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 3:19:49pm

re: #699 Charles

I don't get anything creepy from that at all. It's just the typical pompous stupid celebrity BS.

I agree.

The principals judgement is in question to me.

Parents are upset, justifiably so.

726 nikis-knight  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 3:19:49pm

re: #348 drcordell

Find me an instance of a DNC official or elected Democrat making any comment in public or on television regarding Trutherism OR Bush blowing up the levies.

As far as lying about WMD. That's the truth. There weren't any WMD. That's a fact.


Does this count?
Howard Dean. Just picked the first Google result.
[Link: www.scrappleface.com...]

727 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 3:19:49pm

re: #714 SasquatchOnSteroids

It's at the end of a video, shown by a principal to students in Utah.

Vid at bottom.

I just wanted to know who said that? I got three computers going on the DSL wireless network, streaming a video won't work right now. Kids home, computers hogging bandwidth.

728 OldLineTexan  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 3:19:54pm

re: #717 Gus 802

It's one video that was made for the inauguration of your president that was shown at one school and the principle apologized. There is nothing controversial in that video and it was produced by Katalyst Media and Ashton Kutcher.

It's not a conspiracy.

Are you sure Ashton Kutcher is not a conspiracy? Positive? Promise?

/

729 Sharmuta  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 3:20:09pm

re: #720 Charles

His name is on a 9/11 Truther site.

Why would you believe anything you find on a 9/11 Truther site?

It's like believing alex jones.

730 Charles Johnson  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 3:20:20pm

Interesting how people suddenly show up when the Glenn Beck show is finished, and start repeating his talking points.

731 Truck Monkey  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 3:20:21pm

re: #717 Gus 802

It's one video that was made for the inauguration of your president that was shown at one school and the principle apologized. There is nothing controversial in that video and it was produced by Katalyst Media and Ashton Kutcher.

It's not a conspiracy.

Ashton Kutcher is too stupid to come up with a conspiracy that the people would buy into.

732 jcm  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 3:20:32pm

re: #693 SasquatchOnSteroids

"I pledge to be a servant to our President, and all mankind, because together we can, together we are, and together we will be the change that we seek"

Nope, nothing creepy about that.

That's that stupid Ashton Kurcher service video isn't it?

733 Gus  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 3:20:35pm

re: #728 OldLineTexan

Are you sure Ashton Kutcher is not a conspiracy? Positive? Promise?

/

I didn't check.

//

734 Sharmuta  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 3:21:03pm

re: #730 Charles

Interesting how people suddenly show up when the Glenn Beck show is finished, and start repeating his talking points.

Funny- they're acting like the mind-numbed robots they claim Lizards are.

735 [deleted]  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 3:21:15pm
736 SasquatchOnSteroids  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 3:21:35pm

re: #725 SasquatchOnSteroids

I agree.

The principals judgement is in question to me.

Parents are upset, justifiably so.

Oops, sorry, I do find that creepy. You don't. We disagree.
Typed too fast.

737 LSD  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 3:21:49pm

Zoink!

738 Gus  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 3:22:09pm

re: #731 Truck Monkey

Ashton Kutcher is too stupid to come up with a conspiracy that the people would buy into.

Perhaps not but Glenn Beck is stupid enough to make a conspiracy out of it.

739 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 3:22:14pm

re: #722 trendsurfer

That kind of crazy is what finally drove me away from the GOP and conservatism. Every reaction to the Democrats is distorted by those views. I hit my breaking point about the time when Ann Coulter published her book calling the Dems godless. For the current Right, reason is thrown to the wind and replaced with slogans, dogma, and pure hatred. It ain't a way to win converts much less run a country.

Those big bad conservatives are out to get us... boo.
/

740 OldLineTexan  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 3:22:27pm

re: #720 Charles

His name is on a 9/11 Truther site.

Why would you believe anything you find on a 9/11 Truther site?

I didn't see a Troofer site listed in the report.

If that's the only source and it's baloney, I apologize. It's not explicitly mentioned.

741 callahan23  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 3:22:29pm

re: #693 SasquatchOnSteroids

"I pledge to be a servant to our President, and all mankind, because together we can, together we are, and together we will be the change that we seek"

Nope, nothing creepy about that.

That statement makes me squirm with vicarious embarrassment.
Cringe, barf 'n all.

742 Truck Monkey  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 3:22:44pm

re: #735 buzzsawmonkey

Why do I think of Pamela Anderson and ventriloquism when I hear the words "talking points?"

Those funbags are anything but pointy anymore.

743 SasquatchOnSteroids  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 3:23:02pm

re: #732 jcm

That's that stupid Ashton Kurcher service video isn't it?

Yep.

744 Daria Emmons  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 3:23:03pm

re: #720 Charles

His name is on a 9/11 Truther site.

Why would you believe anything you find on a 9/11 Truther site?

The Fox News link says that Van Jones signed his name to a 9/11 Troofer letter. I was not aware of his troofer link until the comment on LGF, but that seems pretty solid to me, if someone could dig up the actual letter.

745 SteveC  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 3:23:04pm

re: #719 Daria Emmons

We need a movement which defends freedom from tyranny, and not in a Ron Paul-crazy person way.

*sigh* saw a blog this morning begging people to not get the Swine Flu vaccine. Closed the link when I paged down and saw a video of Dr. Ron Paul giving reasons why we should avoid the vaccine.

The crazy, it burns!

746 wahabicorridor  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 3:23:19pm

re: #558 Erik The Red

Great first post. Shit on the host. We all do don't agree. If you don't like what Charles has to say, go and start your own blog.

WHAT? If you don't like what Charles has to say...

When did you start thinking anyone here has to behave as a member of a cult? A lot of us disagree with Charles on a regular basis.

747 Charles Johnson  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 3:23:33pm

re: #740 OldLineTexan

I didn't see a Troofer site listed in the report.

If that's the only source and it's baloney, I apologize. It's not explicitly mentioned.

It's the only source.

748 [deleted]  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 3:23:35pm
749 OldLineTexan  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 3:24:00pm

re: #729 Sharmuta

It's like believing alex jones.

Nice.

Again, there was no Truther site explicitly linmnked in the article.

If that was the source of the info, I have already apologized to Charles.

750 QueenEsther  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 3:24:01pm

I'm usually too busy these days to bother paying attention to Glen Beck, or any tv, or even LGF as much as I used to... but I tuned in the past couple of days because you've been railing against Beck lately, Charles. And I have to say that this Van Jones character he's been talking about is very disturbing. Salon magazine's sexiest activist (or whatever it was), nothwithstanding, Google search also turns up reliable sources detailing that Van Jones is a 9-11 truther, has accused "whites" of poisoning migrant immigrants, and is a self-avowed communist and ancharchist, and I wouldn't have been clued into this if it weren't for Beck. He very well may ride off the rails on other things, I'll take your word for it. But for this, I got to give him credit. Van Jones

751 Sharmuta  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 3:24:11pm

re: #732 jcm

That's that stupid Ashton Kurcher service video isn't it?

Maybe he's punking us?

752 SasquatchOnSteroids  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 3:24:38pm

re: #748 buzzsawmonkey

We want to win you back! What kind of crazy would you prefer?

You're a piece of work. ROFL.

753 spiderx  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 3:24:48pm

re: #621 Athos

Embracing BDS didn't not provide Obama with the win in November - yes, running as 'not Bush' did help - but the main message was 'Hope and Change' which swung the moderates his way. His poll numbers are in trouble because he's not really delivering on the moderate version of Hope and Change...as evidenced by the Stimulus, Cap and Trade, and Health Care reform as the primary initiatives that are causing massive angst.

Embracing ODS will not help the GOP with win's - just as embracing the Birchers, 4409'ers, and associated libretarian loons will not help engage and away the moderates or center/right. It's not difficult, just avoid taking the loony bait - and develop / articulate cogent ideas and visions.

Obama's poll #'s are where one would expect them to be. A newly elected president will get an inflated high approval rating. Obama got 53% of the electorate in the election. His approval ratings now are around 53%.

where is the massive angst?

I'm surprised those ratings aren't lower when you consider the left wants single payer as health reform.

754 Sharmuta  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 3:24:56pm

re: #749 OldLineTexan

I didn't mean that at you- sorry.

755 Killgore Trout  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 3:25:26pm

re: #744 Daria Emmons

His name was attached a a 9-11 truth petition on some website. I don't see any evidence that he added his name to the list. We see this all the time with global warming and creationist petitions. People get added to these lists involuntarily and often without their knowledge.

756 Mad Mullah  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 3:25:32pm

What's up with the pledging of allegiance and becoming a servant to a specific person?

I think that these ignorant leftists are godwinning themselves, and I find their oath to be similar to another oath taken by many Germans a while ago. I bet that many people wouldn't even be able to tell the difference between the two pledges and guess which is one is which.

757 Killgore Trout  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 3:26:16pm

re: #750 QueenEsther

I wouldn't have been clued into this if it weren't for Beck.


Congratulations.

758 Irish Rose  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 3:26:23pm

Dinnertime, and I'm off to pick up a batch of $5 foot longs.
BBL.

759 snowcrash  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 3:26:36pm

re: #535 DEZes

760 jcm  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 3:26:37pm

re: #751 Sharmuta

Maybe he's punking us?

It came out right after the election IIRC.

761 Killgore Trout  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 3:26:41pm

Extra crazy in here today.

762 OldLineTexan  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 3:26:42pm

re: #754 Sharmuta

I didn't mean that at you- sorry.

No worries. If he didn't sign the petition, and they claim he did, that's wrong.

Also, I promise I didn't just finish watching Glenn Beck.

;)

763 Sharmuta  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 3:27:07pm

re: #760 jcm

Was trying to make a joke. Tough crowd today...

764 callahan23  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 3:27:23pm

re: #756 Mad Mullah

What's up with the pledging of allegiance and becoming a servant to a specific person?

I think that these ignorant leftists are godwinning themselves, and I find their oath to be similar to another oath taken by many Germans a while ago. I bet that many people wouldn't even be able to tell the difference between the two pledges and guess which is one is which.

Exactly the reason why that statement (oath) made me sick to my stomach.

765 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 3:27:32pm

re: #748 buzzsawmonkey

We want to win you back! What kind of crazy would you prefer?

Careful, Trendsurfer is downdinging humor. We may have to find his humor, which was stolen by the GOP before we bring him back to the fold.

766 Sharmuta  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 3:27:36pm

re: #761 Killgore Trout

Extra crazy in here today.

I'm telling ya- it's like the Full Moon effect lags a day.

767 Charles Johnson  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 3:27:42pm

re: #750 QueenEsther

Google search also turns up reliable sources detailing that Van Jones is a 9-11 truther...

The only source for this is a page on a 9/11 Truther site. He may or may not have signed their document calling for an investigation, but why would you believe anything posted on a 9/11 Truther site?

...has accused "whites" of poisoning migrant immigrants...

That is false.

...and is a self-avowed communist and ancharchist...

He was a self-avowed communist years ago. More recently, he's written a book advocating for job creation and "eco-capitalism," which doesn't seem very Marxist to me.

768 OldLineTexan  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 3:27:45pm

re: #763 Sharmuta

Was trying to make a joke. Tough crowd today...

I thought it was good. But I think I had better slack off a bit ...

;)

769 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 3:28:22pm

re: #763 Sharmuta

Was trying to make a joke. Tough crowd today...

I got it :)

770 [deleted]  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 3:28:23pm
771 jcm  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 3:28:37pm

re: #763 Sharmuta

Sorry, half lurking...

772 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 3:28:56pm

re: #765 Walter L. Newton

Careful, Trendsurfer is downdinging humor. We may have to find his humor, which was stolen by the GOP before we bring him back to the fold.

Maybe Trendsurfer longs for the days of Adlai Stevenson.

/

773 Sharmuta  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 3:29:00pm

re: #771 jcm

Sorry, half lurking...

I thought I was.

774 CyanSnowHawk  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 3:29:09pm

re: #720 Charles

His name is on a 9/11 Truther site.

Why would you believe anything you find on a 9/11 Truther site?

Even disregarding any troofer connection, the rest of the article that OLT on FoxNews.com (I know, grain of salt) highlights a very big problem with having him in the administration. His admitted communism. Even a steady stream of disavowals will not wipe that stain away, and it is exactly the sort of stain that Obama and company would like to avoid. I suspect he will not be there much longer.

775 Diego  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 3:29:11pm

re: #722 trendsurfer

That kind of crazy is what finally drove me away from the GOP and conservatism. Every reaction to the Democrats is distorted by those views. I hit my breaking point about the time when Ann Coulter published her book calling the Dems godless. For the current Right, reason is thrown to the wind and replaced with slogans, dogma, and pure hatred. It ain't a way to win converts much less run a country.

I find it a shame that they are able to do this and I feel for you. The GOP needs all sorts and it does them no favors to drive away moderates. Not only that, but it scares me to think of the 'Beck wing' of the party EVER being in power. Or the Creationists.

I don't think the outcome would be pretty.

776 [deleted]  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 3:29:47pm
777 Daria Emmons  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 3:30:28pm

re: #745 SteveC

*sigh* saw a blog this morning begging people to not get the Swine Flu vaccine. Closed the link when I paged down and saw a video of Dr. Ron Paul giving reasons why we should avoid the vaccine.

The crazy, it burns!

I personally already had swine flu (so I will not get the vaccine). I am also perfectly fine right now! In any case, I don't know if flu vaccines are considered the most effective sort of vaccine, as they really only vaccinate against some strains of the flu, and it is essentially a prediction of what researchers believe the flu will be.

But I am not against all vaccines in general, and I find the science 'proving' how unsafe the vaccines are to be very lacking. I am sadly not shocked Ron Paul has latched onto this.

On a side note, I was watching CNN the other night, and saw Ron Paul on TV speaking against Obamacare. The commentators on Larry King included Ron Paul, some random dude, and Dr. Sanjay Gupta (who was nominated to be surgeon general). At no point in time did Dr. Gupta's affiliation with Obama appear on screen. It was really quite pathetic. Even more pathetic is that Ron Paul was legitimized, as he actually made sense (in that limited context), compared to the other two individuals.

That is very dangerous, Ron Paul is not fully crazy, he is half-crazy. Some of his ideas even make sense. We have to acknowledge that this makes him more effective and dangerous, and gives him a broader audience.

778 SasquatchOnSteroids  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 3:30:37pm

re: #764 callahan23

Exactly the reason why that statement (oath) made me sick to my stomach.

Not anything I don't expect from the Hollyweirds.

I DO expect better judgement from educators, though, than to show this in school to elementary kids.

And we wonder why parents are mistrusting ?

779 Eowyn2  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 3:30:44pm

re: #5 wrenchwench

I predict a flounce at #764. Tomorrow.


on the overnight thread or a more meaty thread?

780 Neutral President  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 3:31:25pm

re: #774 CyanSnowHawk

The only problem with that is that there are plenty of people who are commies when they are young and dumb, and then they get real as they grow up.

A couple of regular Lizards fall into that category.

781 Lee Coller  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 3:31:29pm

Charles -- you should add to your statistics the number of founces.

782 avanti  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 3:31:41pm

re: #366 Charles

I'm incredibly weary of this "they did it too!" argument. Don't you realize how pointless and weak it is to say that?

Charles, many seem to assume being critical of the right, means you support the conduct of the left. As a example, I love and collect old Studebakers and post on a Studebaker forum. When I bitch about a Studebaker blowing a head gasket for example, no one thinks I'll become a Ford collector. I hope others understand the same about those critical of missteps on the right.
I don't assume you are saying the left is without fault, just that it's important to speak out when either side goes off the rails.

783 Lee Coller  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 3:31:44pm

re: #781 Lee Coller

Charles -- you should add to your statistics the number of flounces.

PIMF

784 Charles Johnson  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 3:31:44pm

re: #778 SasquatchOnSteroids

Not anything I don't expect from the Hollyweirds.

I DO expect better judgement from educators, though, than to show this in school to elementary kids.

And we wonder why parents are mistrusting ?

Why? What was so horrible in it? I'm just not seeing it. Can you explain what I'm supposed to be outraged about?

785 MJ  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 3:32:53pm

re: #777 Daria Emmons

"...Dr. Sanjay Gupta (who was nominated to be surgeon general). At no point in time did Dr. Gupta's affiliation with Obama appear on screen..."

He was never nominated.

786 OldLineTexan  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 3:33:00pm

re: #782 avanti

Charles, many seem to assume being critical of the right, means you support the conduct of the left. As a example, I love and collect old Studebakers and post on a Studebaker forum. When I bitch about a Studebaker blowing a head gasket for example, no one thinks I'll become a Ford collector. I hope others understand the same about those critical of missteps on the right.
I don't assume you are saying the left is without fault, just that it's important to speak out when either side goes off the rails.

Does the guy in charge of green Studebakers think all the Ford collectors are assholes?

/

787 Joshua Cohen  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 3:33:09pm

Ups AL Reuters was here 14 times - just today!

788 jcm  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 3:33:11pm

re: #781 Lee Coller

Charles -- you should add to your statistics the number of founces.

A flounce comment should get a special avatar.

789 Mad Mullah  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 3:33:18pm

re: #767 Charles

He was a self-avowed communist years ago. More recently, he's written a book advocating for job creation and "eco-capitalism," which doesn't seem very Marxist to me.

If he had named his booked "eco-marxism", it probably wouldn't have gone down too well. I've listened to him explaining his eco plans on video and it sounds anything but capitalist. He even admits that the true goal is total transformation, revolution.

790 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 3:33:53pm

re: #775 Diego

I find it a shame that they are able to do this and I feel for you. The GOP needs all sorts and it does them no favors to drive away moderates. Not only that, but it scares me to think of the 'Beck wing' of the party EVER being in power. Or the Creationists.

I don't think the outcome would be pretty.

At our Republican Early Creationist Party meeting the other night, we were saying the same thing. The Beck Planetary Enders Party are getting in our way.

I'll tell you what. Let's make a deal. If you progressive keep pounding on just Beck, and leave us alone, when we get in power, we'll let you all have control of Arts agencies, Park Department and we'll pass a federal medical marijuana law for you.

Deal?
/

791 nikis-knight  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 3:34:52pm

re: #647 buzzsawmonkey

If that's the "pledge video" I've seen, it shows a bunch of preening, narcissistic film and entertainment people who've decided that the United States is only now worthy of their attention since the Great Barack has ascended to the Oval Office, and in honor of this historic event have pledged to do minuscule driblets of good which they could have been doing right along.

Miniscule? You call personally freeing 1,000,000 slaves miniscule?
AND only flushing after a duece?
/I bet there's little progress on any.

792 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 3:35:04pm

re: #788 jcm

A flounce comment should get a special avatar.

CRAP!
Now I gotta run the dog applet to clean the screen!

/great one!

793 Gus  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 3:36:04pm

re: #756 Mad Mullah

What's up with the pledging of allegiance and becoming a servant to a specific person?

I think that these ignorant leftists are godwinning themselves, and I find their oath to be similar to another oath taken by many Germans a while ago. I bet that many people wouldn't even be able to tell the difference between the two pledges and guess which is one is which.

You're comparing that to propaganda from Nazi Germany? You mean like where they say:

"I pledge allegiance to the funk, to the united funk of funkadelica."

I don't see it.

794 Diego  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 3:36:19pm

re: #790 Walter L. Newton

..we'll pass a federal medical marijuana law for you.

Deal?


*cough**cough* Deal ;)

795 Sharmuta  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 3:36:21pm

re: #775 Diego

I find it a shame that they are able to do this and I feel for you. The GOP needs all sorts and it does them no favors to drive away moderates. Not only that, but it scares me to think of the 'Beck wing' of the party EVER being in power. Or the Creationists.

I don't think the outcome would be pretty.

I don't even like being considered a "moderate". I'm a Goldwater conservative- we brought Ronald Reagan. Now, we're not welcome but they want to keep our Reagan. It's like they don't get it. They're not pushing out the "moderates"- they're already gone. They're pushing out conservatives.

796 yochanan  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 3:36:31pm

re: #784 Charles

this goes back to the imperial presidency of R. Nixon. before that the president was always supposed to be the servant of the people AND NOT THE FEARLESS LEADER.

797 callahan23  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 3:36:33pm

re: #792 pre-Boomer Marine brat

CRAP!
Now I gotta run the dog applet to clean the screen!

/great one!

I just love the dog (pug) applet.

798 SasquatchOnSteroids  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 3:36:43pm

re: #784 Charles

Why? What was so horrible in it? I'm just not seeing it. Can you explain what I'm supposed to be outraged about?

I pledge to be a servant to our President. If you don't see it, so be it.

Creepy as hell to me. You don't have to be outraged. It's your opinion.

The Principal showing it to elementary students (and he didn't even watch it beforehand, BTW) shows bad judgement IMO.

799 freetoken  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 3:36:44pm

re: #761 Killgore Trout

Extra crazy in here today.

Glenn Beck - If He be lifted up will draw all crazies unto Himself.

800 opnion  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 3:36:52pm

re: #749 OldLineTexan

Nice.

Again, there was no Truther site explicitly linmnked in the article.

If that was the source of the info, I have already apologized to Charles.

Why would anyone believe that Van Jones would be a Truther?
The guy has such an exemplary track record.
This has been all over local news stations in Kansas , where I find
myself today.

801 snowcrash  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 3:37:00pm

re: #535 DEZes
DEZ, OMG how awful. Was it really painful or did it happen so quickly you didn't notice till you looked down? I hope your finger "takes". Don't discount the pain pills. Sometimes it is hard to sleep when you can't get your hand comfortable or keep it elevated. Get well hugs sent your way.

802 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 3:37:30pm

re: #788 jcm

A flounce comment should get a special avatar.

Charles ... (seriously) ... this is a great idea!

803 avanti  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 3:37:40pm

The WH has announced it will release a text of the student speech on Mon. prior to his address on Tues. This is after some schools refused to carry the speech after complaints and threats to keep students home.
IMHO, it's a sad day when a motivational speech about the importance of a education by a POTUS is vilified.

804 Sharmuta  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 3:37:42pm

I keep saying it- fox news is a moby network. Glnn Bck is proof.

805 CyanSnowHawk  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 3:38:02pm

re: #780 ArchangelMichael

The only problem with that is that there are plenty of people who are commies when they are young and dumb, and then they get real as they grow up.

A couple of regular Lizards fall into that category.

That is true. They aren't in the administration with a pack of rabid pundits nipping at their heels for a reason, any reason, to cast aspersions on them. I think the kerfuffle will be enough to get him removed, regardless of what he believes now.

806 kay1212  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 3:38:05pm

Zombie posted on another thread some first hand experiences with Van Jones and claims you can't overstate his extremism.

In fact, Zombie seemed to be afraid of writing about those eye witness experiences because of linkage back to Zombie and even mentioned the personal safety of Zombie's family.

I haven't read this type of reaction from Zombie before so I have to infer that there's something behind it.

807 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 3:38:26pm

re: #800 opnion

Why would anyone believe that Van Jones would be a Truther?
The guy has such an exemplary track record.
This has been all over local news stations in Kansas , where I find
myself today.

But he's not the person he was 3 years ago. He's changed.

808 OldLineTexan  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 3:39:02pm

re: #807 Walter L. Newton

But he's not the person he was 3 years ago. He's changed.

did he find space jeebus?

/

809 Killgore Trout  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 3:39:22pm
I pledge allegiance to the Flag of the United States of Pinky Eaters, and to the Pinky for which it stands, one Nation under Obama, indivisible, with liberty and pinkies for all.
810 Eowyn2  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 3:39:23pm

re: #719 Daria Emmons

Yet other wackos, such as Dennis Kucinich, Maxine Waters, and John Conyers remain.

For every (at least seemingly good) politician, such as Steve Rothman, there are bad ones, such as the ones I listed above, and their Repub equivalents.

We need a movement which defends freedom from tyranny, and not in a Ron Paul-crazy person way.

I received a contribute to email from Barbara Boxer. One stinking email to my (D) state senators and I now get all kinds of trash from the dnc. Like, Babs hon, doesn't matter how rich your opponent in 2010 might be, if YOU lose in CA, honey, you need to get a new career.

811 Diego  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 3:39:45pm

re: #804 Sharmuta

I keep saying it- fox news is a moby network. Glen Beck is proof the dick.

;)

812 OldLineTexan  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 3:39:54pm

re: #809 Killgore Trout

you cant eat your pinky and have it, too

813 Wendya  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 3:40:24pm

re: #549 KingKenrod

Well, it was touted by some very high ranking Democrats during the campaign season last year. You can hardly blame the GOP for using a gift like that.

Obama has come out and stated he would not support the fairness doctrine's reinstatement. He has not, however said he will keep a hands off approach as seen by his appointment of Mark Lloyd as Associate General Counsel and Chief Diversity Officer.

Lloyd co-authored this report, titled The Structural Imbalance of Political Talk Radio:

[Link: www.americanprogress.org...]

They didn't believe the fairness doctrine went far enough.

This guy is a nutball.

814 Bagua  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 3:40:31pm

re: #806 kay1212

Zombie posted on another thread some first hand experiences with Van Jones

Did you count the fingers?

815 opnion  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 3:40:32pm

re: #775 Diego

I find it a shame that they are able to do this and I feel for you. The GOP needs all sorts and it does them no favors to drive away moderates. Not only that, but it scares me to think of the 'Beck wing' of the party EVER being in power. Or the Creationists.

I don't think the outcome would be pretty.


Easy now, we have the Obama wing of the Dem Party in control.
Now that's frightening.

816 Killgore Trout  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 3:40:38pm

re: #812 OldLineTexan

"Let them eat pinkies!"

817 Daria Emmons  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 3:40:42pm

re: #785 MJ

He was never nominated.

Sorry - meant to say that he was offered the position to be surgeon general.

818 OldLineTexan  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 3:40:54pm

re: #811 Diego

;)

so now youre ishmael?

819 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 3:41:05pm

re: #803 avanti

The WH has announced it will release a text of the student speech on Mon. prior to his address on Tues. This is after some schools refused to carry the speech after complaints and threats to keep students home.
IMHO, it's a sad day when a motivational speech about the importance of a education by a POTUS is vilified.

In my opinion, it's nice to see that the President is engaging in a little of that transparency he has promised and we have seen so little of.

That's good. It should quell most of the unfounded complaints. Now new complaints after it is released, well...

And another reason this is good is that it shows us that not everybody on the local level is going to say "how high" to Washington just because they said "jump?"

Shows some balls, that's good.

820 OldLineTexan  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 3:41:27pm

re: #816 Killgore Trout

"Let them eat pinkies!"

good thing that guy wasn't really short

/

821 freetoken  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 3:41:32pm

re: #806 kay1212

"Zombie" (It) wants to remain anonymous (as many of us do.) If It's identity is known, given what It covers sometimes in SF there is reason to wonder if someone might come after It.

That does not mean that Van Jones would send a personal hit squad after It's family!

822 nikis-knight  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 3:41:32pm

re: #756 Mad Mullah

What's up with the pledging of allegiance and becoming a servant to a specific person?

Maybe Obama saved his life at some unspecified point and so he is honor bound to serve Obama until he dies or returns the favor?

823 Bagua  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 3:41:37pm

re: #817 Daria Emmons

Sorry - meant to say that he was offered the position to be surgeon general.

Does his surgical experience include pinky re-attachments?

824 Diego  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 3:41:59pm

re: #808 OldLineTexan

did he find space jeebus?

Naw, it seems an operation on his ass caused brain damage..

825 Mad Mullah  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 3:42:07pm

re: #803 avanti


IMHO, it's a sad day when a motivational speech about the importance of a education by a POTUS is vilified.

I don't think so at all. We have all already seen cases of how wackjob leftist teachers have harassed students whose parents did not vote for the right person and how wackjob leftist activists have used school children for political gain while indoctrinating them. There are many good reasons to be suspicious of what Obama will say and how wackjob leftist teachers will take the opportunity to harass and indoctrinate students.

826 OldLineTexan  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 3:42:14pm

re: #816 Killgore Trout

"Let them eat pinkies!"

finger puppets instead of sock puppets

/think of it

827 opnion  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 3:42:46pm

re: #807 Walter L. Newton

But he's not the person he was 3 years ago. He's changed.

Riiight, ever notice how guys up for parole have really changed, no what
I mean?

828 kay1212  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 3:43:11pm

re: #821 freetoken

Agreed. It's probably more in line with fear of a loss of income by the identity being discovered.

829 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 3:43:30pm

re: #661 SasquatchOnSteroids

Shown by a principal.

Great judgement.

I once worked with a principal who allowed the kids to show a homememade video about his (the principal's) bad breath at an all-school assembly.

Just because you run a school does not mean you are strictly sane.

Hell, I worked with a principal who wanted a math teacher to go on teaching in a room that had carbon dioxide venting into it.

830 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 3:43:42pm

re: #803 avanti

The WH has announced it will release a text of the student speech on Mon. prior to his address on Tues. This is after some schools refused to carry the speech after complaints and threats to keep students home.
IMHO, it's a sad day when a motivational speech about the importance of a education by a POTUS is vilified.

Link?

831 Gus  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 3:44:31pm

re: #825 Mad Mullah

I don't think so at all. We have all already seen cases of how wackjob leftist teachers have harassed students whose parents did not vote for the right person and how wackjob leftist activists have used school children for political gain while indoctrinating them. There are many good reasons to be suspicious of what Obama will say and how wackjob leftist teachers will take the opportunity to harass and indoctrinate students.

Link?

832 OldLineTexan  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 3:44:51pm

re: #829 SanFranciscoZionist

I once worked with a principal who allowed the kids to show a homememade video about his (the principal's) bad breath at an all-school assembly.

Just because you run a school does not mean you are strictly sane.

Hell, I worked with a principal who wanted a math teacher to go on teaching in a room that had carbon dioxide venting into it.

People were breathing?

833 ladycatnip  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 3:44:54pm

#693 SasquatchOnSteroids

"I pledge to be a servant to our President, and all mankind, because together we can, together we are, and together we will be the change that we seek"

Nope, nothing creepy about that.

Remember his little "We are the ones we have been waiting for." Pompous idiots. But the "I pledge to be a servant to our President Great and Fearless Leader..." is sickening. I would raise hell over that just like those other parents. Pledge is made only to the American flag, NOT to a president-who-would-be-king.

Politics of any kind do not belong in an elementary school.

834 Daria Emmons  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 3:44:57pm

Van Jones:

[Link: pajamasmedia.com...]

It seems the guy was a communist at least until 2002 - not in the distant past.

835 Wendya  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 3:45:19pm

re: #830 Walter L. Newton

Link?

[Link: www.wfaa.com...]

836 OldLineTexan  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 3:45:34pm

you guys must all be creationists ... look at the posts about missing links

/

837 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 3:45:55pm

re: #693 SasquatchOnSteroids

"I pledge to be a servant to our President, and all mankind, because together we can, together we are, and together we will be the change that we seek"

Nope, nothing creepy about that.

My teeth are falling out. Send fluoride.

838 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 3:46:01pm

re: #834 Daria Emmons

Van Jones:

[Link: pajamasmedia.com...]

It seems the guy was a communist at least until 2002 - not in the distant past.

That's the point I made up thread. Some people are saying well he changed, yea, like a few minutes ago.

839 Bagua  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 3:46:13pm

re: #825 Mad Mullah

There are many good reasons to be suspicious of what Obama will say and how wackjob leftist teachers will take the opportunity to harass and indoctrinate students.

Especially if he advocates gnawing on appendages.

840 Wendya  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 3:46:53pm

re: #838 Walter L. Newton

That's the point I made up thread. Some people are saying well he changed, yea, like a few minutes ago.

Her changed when he got the appointment?

841 Bagua  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 3:48:00pm

re: #833 ladycatnip

Politics of any kind do not belong in an elementary school.

And we patriots should be especial careful to root out pinky-swearing as we all know that is a gateway behaviour.

842 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 3:48:10pm

re: #699 Charles

I don't get anything creepy from that at all. It's just the typical pompous stupid celebrity BS.

It's kind of creepy. Not in a 'the government is going to sign my kids up for Obama Youth' way, but in a 'damn, these people take this dude waaay too serious' way.

843 Mad Mullah  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 3:48:51pm

re: #831 Gus 802

Link?

Ashville N.C. School teacher browbeats student over being a McCain supporter

844 avanti  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 3:49:20pm

re: #786 OldLineTexan

Does the guy in charge of green Studebakers think all the Ford collectors are assholes?

/

Some Ford collectors are ass holes, just as some on both the left and right are.

845 OldLineTexan  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 3:49:47pm

re: #844 avanti

Some Ford collectors are ass holes, just as some on both the left and right are.

Sure, but that's not an answer to the question, is it?

846 Charles Johnson  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 3:50:50pm

re: #842 SanFranciscoZionist

It's kind of creepy. Not in a 'the government is going to sign my kids up for Obama Youth' way, but in a 'damn, these people take this dude waaay too serious' way.

They're celebrities! They get paid big money to be pompous self-important morons masquerading as wonderful caring people.

847 opnion  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 3:50:54pm

re: #838 Walter L. Newton

That's the point I made up thread. Some people are saying well he changed, yea, like a few minutes ago.

He is also apologizing for fairly recently calling Republicans a__holes.
This says more about Obama than anything, & not good.

848 avanti  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 3:51:09pm

re: #819 Walter L. Newton

In my opinion, it's nice to see that the President is engaging in a little of that transparency he has promised and we have seen so little of.

That's good. It should quell most of the unfounded complaints. Now new complaints after it is released, well...

And another reason this is good is that it shows us that not everybody on the local level is going to say "how high" to Washington just because they said "jump?"

Shows some balls, that's good.

My prediction ? Some on the right will find a line in the speech that pisses them off, no matter how carefully written.

849 OldLineTexan  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 3:52:06pm

re: #848 avanti

My prediction ? Some on the right will find a line in the speech that pisses them off, no matter how carefully written.

Wow.

And what does that sound like?

The eight years previous to Obama?

850 capt26thga  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 3:52:06pm

The extreme right is just as darn scary as the extreme left. The only real difference is the left wants to take your guns. All this about Beck proves people just have to much time on their hands. My ole grandpa used to say "Put'em behind a mule plowing all day, they'll go home and go to bed tonight. Wont cause no trouble for nobody." I used to laugh at that. But in a way he was right.
As far as this crap with Beck, most of us have around a 100 channels to watch. It appears that the people that hate him the most (also goes for MS NBC) are the ones watching just looking for something to scream about. I would rather watch the cooking channel, or Andy Griffith reruns. A lot of fuss over nothing.

851 avanti  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 3:52:22pm

re: #830 Walter L. Newton

Link?

Walter, I don't yet have one, but it was announced on the evening news.

852 Mad Mullah  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 3:52:28pm

re: #834 Daria Emmons

Van Jones:

[Link: pajamasmedia.com...]

It seems the guy was a communist at least until 2002 - not in the distant past.

Has he ever made a statement where he denounces it?

853 avanti  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 3:53:40pm

re: #849 OldLineTexan

Wow.

And what does that sound like?

The eight years previous to Obama?

Again, the we're no worse than the other guys excuse. It has to end someday, or we'll stay divided as a nation.

854 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 3:54:03pm

Yep, Charles was right.

/over on the next thread, I mean

855 Diego  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 3:54:46pm

re: #853 avanti

It has to end someday, or we'll stay divided as a nation.

Here, here!

856 freetoken  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 3:54:48pm

re: #834 Daria Emmons

Van Jones:

[Link: pajamasmedia.com...]

It seems the guy was a communist at least until 2002 - not in the distant past.

He he... you link to a PJM article that links to... Glenn Beck!

/Remember folks, we live on the surface of a sphere. If you go in one direction long enough, you'll end up where you started.

857 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 3:54:59pm

re: #832 OldLineTexan

People were breathing?

No, literally venting. Out of the HVAC system. The kids were complaining of headaches, but this poor woman was in there all day, and the kids moved on after fifty minutes.

858 avanti  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 3:56:11pm

re: #825 Mad Mullah

I don't think so at all. We have all already seen cases of how wackjob leftist teachers have harassed students whose parents did not vote for the right person and how wackjob leftist activists have used school children for political gain while indoctrinating them. There are many good reasons to be suspicious of what Obama will say and how wackjob leftist teachers will take the opportunity to harass and indoctrinate students.

If this was the first time a POTUS addressed students, I might see a issue, but it's not, and no one suggested keeping the kids at home before to the best of my knowledge.

859 Johnny Empire  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 3:56:37pm

At this point, Fox may as well make Beck's show commercial free and advertise it as "The show THEY don't want you to see".

Just don't mention who "THEY" are. Each distinct group of crazy can fill in the blank with their bogeyman of choice.

860 Daria Emmons  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 3:56:56pm

re: #852 Mad Mullah

Has he ever made a statement where he denounces it?

Wow read this:

[Link: www.eastbayexpress.com...]

Not only did Van Jones admit his communism, but he seems to say he is now simply "more effective," rather than "not a communist."

I would have to do more digging to see if he renounced his communism explicitly. But that link - wow. (was written in 2005)

861 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 3:57:23pm

re: #850 capt26thga

The extreme right is just as darn scary as the extreme left. The only real difference is the left wants to take your guns.

And the extreme right just wants to shoot you. Not much of a choice there.

862 Daria Emmons  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 3:57:36pm

re: #856 freetoken

He he... you link to a PJM article that links to... Glenn Beck!

/Remember folks, we live on the surface of a sphere. If you go in one direction long enough, you'll end up where you started.

Check this out:

[Link: www.eastbayexpress.com...]

863 [deleted]  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 3:58:06pm
864 Diego  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 3:58:39pm

re: #861 SanFranciscoZionist

A touché moment if ever there was one :¬)

865 Eowyn2  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 3:58:40pm

Re: the "I pledge" video.
I cannot watch it but what I have read about it is that it is a bunch of hollywoodites 'pledging' to be good green citizens (at least until the National Enquirer catches them out at a drunken party with no panties)

I got news for all you folks. The CW channel, and others, are all running public service ads with celebs being green. How the world is going to come to an end if Janey doesn't unplug her cell phone charger when she goes off to school in the morning - nothing said about leaving the lights on. Saturday AM ads - horrifying and not a barbie commercial in sight. The entire "Power Rangers" series is about 'saving the planet from the evil industrialists' gotta have heart.

If you are worried about the Obama Goes To School video, simply call your child's school and arrange to view the vid with the student. Then you can participate in the 'after discussion' and veto (nicely of course) your childs participation in any "Do it for the O" activities.

Personally, I see nothing wrong with the president giving an address to school children. A little "Hi, I'm your president, welcome back to school. I hope you all have a good year and do well"

I would draw the line at making students write letters to themselves on how they can help the president. BUT if they change tha to being a good citizen, that would be better.

I pledge not to throw lit cigarettes out the car window while driving down I-5.

866 freetoken  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 3:58:42pm

re: #834 Daria Emmons

Not only that... but the other "source" for that PJM article, supposed David Horowitz, is another article that links to... Glenn Beck!

Heh, Glenn Beck has become omnipresent!

867 avanti  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 3:58:57pm

BBL, wife wants me to take her out for a burger.

868 Sharmuta  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 3:59:25pm

re: #866 freetoken

Why am I not surprised?

869 Wendya  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 3:59:38pm

re: #858 avanti

If this was the first time a POTUS addressed students, I might see a issue, but it's not, and no one suggested keeping the kids at home before to the best of my knowledge.

Bush the elder addressed students in 1991 and the left had an absolute hissy fit.

870 Daria Emmons  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 3:59:47pm

re: #861 SanFranciscoZionist

And the extreme right just wants to shoot you. Not much of a choice there.

Touche.

I am sick of the horrifying choices. I don't see 'right' and 'left' - I just see people of different ideologies who unite in support of supremacism. It is disgusting.

871 Wendya  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 4:00:10pm

re: #863 buzzsawmonkey

This lunatic would-be kommisar is working for the government on our dime?

That's disgusting.

At the FCC.

872 Mad Mullah  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 4:00:28pm

re: #858 avanti

If this was the first time a POTUS addressed students, I might see a issue, but it's not, and no one suggested keeping the kids at home before to the best of my knowledge.

There has never been a POTUS like Obama in the whitehouse before though. And I'm not referring to his skin color of course, I am referring to his radical agenda and the radicals that he has surrounded himself with. If people believe that they are attempting to fundamentally transform this country into something else, and many people do apparently believe that, then that is why these is so much opposition to Obama and his gang of goons.

873 opnion  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 4:00:47pm

re: #853 avanti

Again, the we're no worse than the other guys excuse. It has to end someday, or we'll stay divided as a nation.


Hey Avanti! Im not being snarky here, but it honestly seems to me that Dem compromise is to agree with them.

874 Daria Emmons  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 4:01:03pm

re: #866 freetoken

Not only that... but the other "source" for that PJM article, supposed David Horowitz, is another article that links to... Glenn Beck!

Heh, Glenn Beck has become omnipresent!

Didn't know that about Horowitz linking to Beck.

Anyway, the East Bay Express Article speaks for itself.

[Link: www.eastbayexpress.com...]

875 opnion  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 4:01:58pm

re: #859 Johnny Empire

At this point, Fox may as well make Beck's show commercial free and advertise it as "The show THEY don't want you to see".

Just don't mention who "THEY" are. Each distinct group of crazy can fill in the blank with their bogeyman of choice.

Obama advised not watching Fox, so I'll take him.

876 capt26thga  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 4:03:10pm

Nooo! First they will try to "SAVE" you. This will give you time to fill your hand.

877 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 4:04:29pm

re: #869 Wendya

Bush the elder addressed students in 1991 and the left had an absolute hissy fit.

Which might explain why the idea was abandoned for a few administrations.

Me, I feel that the president is a national figure, and if he wants to say a few words to kids about neutral topics related to school, it seems fine to me. Democrat, Republican, big whoop.

878 Mad Mullah  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 4:05:55pm

re: #860 Daria Emmons

Wow read this:

[Link: www.eastbayexpress.com...]

Not only did Van Jones admit his communism, but he seems to say he is now simply "more effective," rather than "not a communist."

I would have to do more digging to see if he renounced his communism explicitly. But that link - wow. (was written in 2005)

Yes, exactly. :)

I've also read that article before.

879 freetoken  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 4:06:13pm

re: #862 Daria Emmons

Check this out:

[Link: www.eastbayexpress.com...]


You mean the article that has as its top summary:

Van Jones renounced his rowdy black nationalism on the way toward becoming an influential leader of the new progressive politics.

?

880 [deleted]  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 4:09:00pm
881 Wendya  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 4:09:56pm

re: #879 freetoken

?

Jones was wearing a "Kanye was right" tshirt?

Oh, please.

882 Wendya  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 4:12:49pm

re: #880 buzzsawmonkey

I do not care how many pledges against the "Fairness Doctrine" are made for the kept press. Such statements are the equivalent of "Palestinian" leaders who say one thing in English, and another in Arabic. Obama already has a history of saying one thing and then doing something entirely different; sometimes what he does is better than what he said he would, sometimes worse, but the consistent strain running through the history is that one cannot believe any of his pledges.

Accordingly, I have no reason to believe that the "Fairness Doctrine" will not be reimposed; all that is certain is that if it is, it will not be called the "Fairness Doctrine," but "The Local Grassroots Democracy Media Initiative," or some equivalent euphemism. Clearly, this Mark Lloyd person is more than ready to impose some limitation on media, and equally clearly, more than capable of coming up with a fresh name for it.

The idea that we're supposed to believe Obama and his entire administration had some epiphany on election day and decided to abandon their roots is absurd.

883 jcm  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 4:14:21pm

re: #880 buzzsawmonkey

I do not care how many pledges against the "Fairness Doctrine" are made for the kept press. Such statements are the equivalent of "Palestinian" leaders who say one thing in English, and another in Arabic. Obama already has a history of saying one thing and then doing something entirely different; sometimes what he does is better than what he said he would, sometimes worse, but the consistent strain running through the history is that one cannot believe any of his pledges.

Accordingly, I have no reason to believe that the "Fairness Doctrine" will not be reimposed; all that is certain is that if it is, it will not be called the "Fairness Doctrine," but "The Local Grassroots Democracy Media Initiative," or some equivalent euphemism. Clearly, this Mark Lloyd person is more than ready to impose some limitation on media, and equally clearly, more than capable of coming up with a fresh name for it.

"Localism" is the new term of art.

884 opnion  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 4:15:26pm

re: #882 Wendya

The idea that we're supposed to believe Obama and his entire administration had some epiphany on election day and decided to abandon their roots is absurd.

Yes & you are supposed to ignore his 100% ADA approval rating in the
Senate, his nefarious associations & all the whacky Czars & blindly support the Dear Leader.

885 [deleted]  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 4:15:38pm
886 freetoken  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 4:16:09pm

re: #881 Wendya

I assume that was in reference to Kanye West's statement "George Bush doesn't care about black people"?

If so, I am not surprised. One reason that the GOP does so very poorly among African-Americans is that West's statement is a common belief.

887 [deleted]  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 4:19:33pm
888 Mad Mullah  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 4:21:06pm

re: #880 buzzsawmonkey

Clearly, this Mark Lloyd person is more than ready to impose some limitation on media, and equally clearly, more than capable of coming up with a fresh name for it.

The "progressives" in the government won't have a hard time renaming it to something else. They had no problem with renaming the global war on terror to the "overseas contingency operation".

The silly woman who is also the Homeland Security Secretary, Janet Napolitano, refers not to terrorists, but to "man-caused" disasters.

Leftists sure have a fondness for Orwellian word plays, which is hardly any surprise given their totalitarian nature. That's also why I don't buy into Van Jones' "eco-capitalism" for one minute. He's still a radical progressive, race agitator, just like he always was.

889 Coracle  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 4:21:43pm

re: #887 buzzsawmonkey

The African-American community has spent the last 40 years feeding its own racism, even as the larger society has worked and striven to eradicate its own.

We are now being governed by those racists.

So which African Americans governing us are racists, exactly?

890 freetoken  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 4:22:38pm

re: #887 buzzsawmonkey

The African-American community has spent the last 40 years feeding its own racism, even as the larger society has worked and striven to eradicate its own.

Dinged you down for a grossly over-generalized and negative statement about an entire segment of the populace.

891 Mad Mullah  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 4:23:04pm

re: #886 freetoken


If so, I am not surprised. One reason that the GOP does so very poorly among African-Americans is that West's statement is a common belief.

That says more about their combined ignorance than anything else. I'm also not surprised that almost all of them also went apeshit over Obama.

892 freetoken  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 4:23:46pm

re: #887 buzzsawmonkey

Indeed, you are now taking up Glenn Beck's very own talking point which is one of the reasons CoC is trying to organize a boycott.

893 Charles Johnson  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 4:25:52pm

re: #891 Mad Mullah

That will be your last comment at my website.

894 [deleted]  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 4:27:31pm
895 kay1212  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 4:28:48pm

re: #886 freetoken

re: #881 Wendya

I assume that was in reference to Kanye West's statement "George Bush doesn't care about black people"?

If so, I am not surprised. One reason that the GOP does so very poorly among African-Americans is that West's statement is a common belief


What is that statement supposed to mean? Why isn't it enough that a fair playing field for all is established? Special favors or special legislation should not be needed or encouraged. There isn't any reason that a hardworking qualified person of any race should fail and Obama himself proves the point.

896 reine.de.tout  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 4:30:00pm

re: #865 Eowyn2

Re: the "I pledge" video.
I cannot watch it but what I have read about it is that it is a bunch of hollywoodites 'pledging' to be good green citizens (at least until the National Enquirer catches them out at a drunken party with no panties)

I got news for all you folks. The CW channel, and others, are all running public service ads with celebs being green. How the world is going to come to an end if Janey doesn't unplug her cell phone charger when she goes off to school in the morning - nothing said about leaving the lights on. Saturday AM ads - horrifying and not a barbie commercial in sight. The entire "Power Rangers" series is about 'saving the planet from the evil industrialists' gotta have heart.

If you are worried about the Obama Goes To School video, simply call your child's school and arrange to view the vid with the student. Then you can participate in the 'after discussion' and veto (nicely of course) your childs participation in any "Do it for the O" activities.

Personally, I see nothing wrong with the president giving an address to school children. A little "Hi, I'm your president, welcome back to school. I hope you all have a good year and do well"

I would draw the line at making students write letters to themselves on how they can help the president. BUT if they change tha to being a good citizen, that would be better.

I pledge not to throw lit cigarettes out the car window while driving down I-5.

I believe that has been changed.
It's now an activity where they write letters to themselves setting their own education goals. Much much better.

897 Coracle  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 4:30:15pm

re: #894 buzzsawmonkey

Mark Lloyd, who appears in the upthread video, clearly. Eric Holdren, the Attorney General who excoriated as "cowards" the Americans who had just elected the first African-American President, who had just given him his job. Van Jones, on the basis of the few videos of him I've seen, his tepid distancing of himself from his thug past notwithstanding.

Out of courtesy, I will refrain from naming the President himself, since he has managed for the most part to get other people to play the race card for him.

Neither Mark Lloyd, Eric Holdren, nor Van Jones govern me. Or you for that matter.

Are you refraining from naming the president because you don't think he is, in fact a racist, or only because you think saying so would land you in hot water?

898 [deleted]  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 4:30:50pm
899 [deleted]  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 4:32:30pm
900 Coracle  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 4:33:53pm

Are any of them members of the legislative branch of government, which writes and passes laws?

901 [deleted]  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 4:35:09pm
902 freetoken  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 4:36:36pm

Folks - it's Eric Holder.

John Holdren is the science advisor.

903 [deleted]  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 4:37:35pm
904 Coracle  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 4:39:04pm

Van Jones and and Mark Lloyd are writing laws? Eric Holder is writing laws? And racist laws at that?

905 [deleted]  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 4:43:48pm
906 unrealizedviewpoint  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 4:46:59pm

re: #188 unrealizedviewpoint

I'm not debating that at all. I'm taking it to the next logical conclusion, the fairness doctrine. Many on the left (Pelosi, Reid et al) want a fairness doctrine. Undeniable.

So blueherron, drcordell, SanFranciscoZionist all downdinged this comment. What are you saying with your downding they call for the Fairness Doctrine? How about owning up to what your party seeks?

907 Coracle  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 4:47:50pm

I don't believe for a cold second that they will or can "govern" me with a racist agenda. That's a paranoid and prejudiced fantasy in and of itself.

908 BARACK THE VOTE  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 4:48:06pm

re: #905 buzzsawmonkey

Please provide any example of Holder or LLoyd making a decision in this administration that you believe is an example of racism, or displays signs of being 'influenced by a racist worldview'.

Otherwise, you're engaging in fearmongering and conspiracy theories.

909 unrealizedviewpoint  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 4:48:49pm

re: #513 SanFranciscoZionist

Which has absolutely nothing to do with what was being discussed, so why bring it up?

Because I brought it up way at the beginning of thread. My right. If you serialy downding me again I will chase down all your comments and ding them.

910 Coracle  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 4:50:38pm

re: #909 unrealizedviewpoint

Because I brought it up way at the beginning of thread. My right. If you serialy downding me again I will chase down all your comments and ding them.

I'm sure that would impress Charles.
Who also authored #531 in this thread.

911 BARACK THE VOTE  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 4:51:59pm

re: #907 Coracle

I don't believe for a cold second that they will or can "govern" me with a racist agenda. That's a paranoid and prejudiced fantasy in and of itself.

Exactly. Spreading paranoia and fear.

I've noticed a certain mindset before, on both the paranoid left and the paranoid right. I mentioned this in a comment yesterday. They tend to believe "Obama (or Bush) is going to do X, and that's part of conspiracy plot Y"!
When Obama or Bush fails to do X, or even does not-X, they simply say "Aha, this proves he's even more sneaky then we thought, and it's even MORE evidence for plot Y!"

912 Coracle  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 4:53:15pm

re: #899 buzzsawmonkey

I also noticed you didn't answer this question:

Are you refraining from naming the president because you don't think he is, in fact a racist, or only because you think saying so would land you in hot water?

913 freetoken  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 4:53:58pm

re: #905 buzzsawmonkey


If you do not believe that the racist worldview that these people have displayed in their past utterances will inform their decisions in the matters under their discretion, you are naive indeed.

Holder has been on the job for half a year now. Can you give me any examples where your fear of him enforcing his "racism" (your claim)?

Just took a brief look at Holder's Wikipedia page, where I found this interesting:

On April 1, 2009, Holder announced that he had ordered the dismissal of the indictment against former Senator Ted Stevens on corruption charges. Stevens had been found guilty, but hadn't been sentenced; Holder's action effectively vacated Stevens' conviction. Holder was reportedly very angry that the prosecutors had withheld potentially exculpatory evidence from Stevens' attorneys. After the prosecutors had been held in contempt of court for failing to turn over required documents, Holder replaced the entire trial team. Soon afterward, the Justice Department discovered a previously undocumented interview with Bill Allen, the prosecution's star witness. In this interview, Allen gave statements that directly contradicted his testimony at trial, including a claim that he'd been asked to get a note for a repair bill on his house. By nearly all accounts, Holder wanted to send a message that he would not tolerate any behavior he deemed to be prosecutorial misconduct.[47]

Assuming that summary of the Steven's affair (remember, Stevens is an (R), a member of the opposite party) is accurate, it appears to me the last thing we have to worry about is Holder using his office to chase after anyone.

914 [deleted]  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 4:55:46pm
915 debutaunt  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 4:55:59pm

re: #853 avanti

Again, the we're no worse than the other guys excuse. It has to end someday, or we'll stay divided as a nation.

Absolutely. Prior to 2009 was much too soon to stop this stuff. It's just perfect right now.

916 [deleted]  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 4:57:25pm
917 Coracle  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 4:57:40pm

re: #914 buzzsawmonkey

Ah, yes. Code.

918 freetoken  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 4:58:02pm

re: #914 buzzsawmonkey

So, I take it you have no example of where Holder's supposed racism has directed his job performance?

919 Coracle  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 4:59:07pm

re: #916 buzzsawmonkey

I refrained from naming the President as a racist for the reason I said.

The reason you said strongly implies you believe he is a racist. Not wanting to make an assumption, I was looking for actual confirmation or denial.

920 unrealizedviewpoint  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 4:59:34pm

re: #910 Coracle

I'm sure that would impress Charles.
Who also authored #531 in this thread.

Many influential democrats haven't said they support the Fairness Doctrine? I guess my lying ears are wrong then.

921 Coracle  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 5:00:43pm

re: #920 unrealizedviewpoint

Many influential democrats haven't said they support the Fairness Doctrine? I guess my lying ears are wrong then.

Take that up with Charles. I was just informing you of your opposition in this discussion.

922 [deleted]  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 5:01:09pm
923 [deleted]  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 5:02:12pm
924 Coracle  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 5:03:27pm

re: #923 buzzsawmonkey

Here, have a broomstick for your witch hunt. I don't think I need to tell you where to stick the shaft.

Well, then. I guess there's my answer. You believe the President of the United States is a racist.

925 [deleted]  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 5:04:02pm
926 Coracle  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 5:05:03pm

re: #925 buzzsawmonkey

No, I did not say that. I said, "Stick it."

Yes. I can read code, too.

927 unrealizedviewpoint  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 5:05:29pm

re: #921 Coracle

Take that up with Charles. I was just informing you of your opposition in this discussion.

I guess maybe Charles and I disagree. I could only hope he'd be right.

928 [deleted]  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 5:05:36pm
929 BARACK THE VOTE  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 5:06:03pm

re: #914 buzzsawmonkey


Lloyd's "local control" blather in the upthread video is "code" far more blatantly racist--and antidemocratic--than all the phony equating of "socialist" with "black" that was done during Obama's run. At least, it's clear to anyone who knows American politics.

I would direct you to Coracle and freetoken's questions in 912, and 913, and I ask again: Can you provide us with any example, of any decision, by either Lloyd or Holder that can substantiate your claims?

Because talking about 'code' words doesn't cut it. That's conspiracy talk.

And what I know of American politics and what's happening on the right at the moment is that we're seeing a return of the dynamic Hofstader outlined in 1964, in his essayThe Paranoid Style in American Politics. Right down to the return of the John Birch society.

930 freetoken  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 5:09:27pm

re: #922 buzzsawmonkey

When someone takes the office of Attorney General, how are we to evaluate them:

(1) by their actions; or
(2) by our fears?

931 BARACK THE VOTE  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 5:10:13pm

re: #925 buzzsawmonkey

In other words, you can't answer the questions, you don't have any proof, you are peddling conspiracy theories, and your response when this is pointed out to you is to get angry and abusive towards the people who've called you on it.

932 yochanan  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 5:12:38pm

re: #924 Coracle

well the left thinks only white people can be racist. i think everybody is racist to a degree depending on how you define it.

933 cybermonk  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 5:13:03pm

ok people, can you stop ragging on Beck and notice that Jones is a Troofer, or is destroying Beck your sole goal.? How about ragging on the self proclaimed radicals and communists in Obama's inner circle?

934 freetoken  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 5:13:03pm

re: #931 iceweasel

And he's doing it on a thread that is criticizing Glenn Beck for the exact same thing.

935 Coracle  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 5:13:41pm

re: #932 yochanan

well the left thinks only white people can be racist. i think everybody is racist to a degree depending on how you define it.

"The left" thinks nothing monolithically. That is a stereotyping statement.

936 Wendya  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 5:14:19pm

re: #905 buzzsawmonkey


If you do not believe that the racist worldview that these people have displayed in their past utterances will inform their decisions in the matters under their discretion, you are naive indeed.

If you type in Kanyewasright.org it takes you directly to colorofchange.org. Their original campaign, starting on page 11 of this PDF: [Link: ccsre.stanford.edu...] was created for people to sign a pledge that Blacks will never be treated like second class citizens as they were when Katrina hit. Their motto was, Kanye was right!

Pure, race baiting garbage and that clown is an advisor to the President.

937 Sharmuta  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 5:14:42pm

re: #933 cybermonk

There is no proof Van Jones is a troofer except a claim from troofers.

You believe troofers?

938 Wendya  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 5:15:01pm

re: #919 Coracle

The reason you said strongly implies you believe he is a racist. Not wanting to make an assumption, I was looking for actual confirmation or denial.

Not wanting to make an assumption while you are now making an assumption?

Nifty trick.

939 BARACK THE VOTE  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 5:15:11pm

re: #930 freetoken

When someone takes the office of Attorney General, how are we to evaluate them:

(1) by their actions; or
(2) by our fears?

Exactly. There's more than enough legitimate criticisms to make of their actions, without having to resort to fearmongering. Many unhinged people on the left did this sort of thing to Bush, too. It detracts from legitimate criticism and makes it easy to tarnish the legitimate critics as being nuts.

Also, it ensures a bad signal to noise ratio in our political discourse, and that harms all of us, no matter what our politics or ideology.

940 Charles Johnson  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 5:16:13pm

I think it's interesting that an openly racist comment that got its poster banned is getting no down-dings.

941 Coracle  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 5:16:29pm

re: #938 Wendya

Not wanting to make an assumption while you are now making an assumption?

Nifty trick.

I didn't want to make an assumption. He gave me enough to go on I thought I could make a pretty educated guess.

942 Wendya  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 5:16:54pm

re: #936 Wendya

If you type in Kanyewasright.org it takes you directly to colorofchange.org. Their original campaign, starting on page 11 of this PDF: [Link: ccsre.stanford.edu...] was created for people to sign a pledge that Blacks will never be treated like second class citizens as they were when Katrina hit. Their motto was, Kanye was right!

Pure, race baiting garbage and that clown is an advisor to the President.

I should add, anyone who defends this crap is no better.

943 Danny  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 5:17:39pm

re: #933 cybermonk

You've heard of multitasking? Well this blog can do multiragging. Piece o' cake!

944 [deleted]  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 5:17:53pm
945 unrealizedviewpoint  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 5:18:04pm

re: #940 Charles

I think it's interesting that an openly racist comment that got its poster banned is getting no down-dings.

I didn't understand it.

946 Coracle  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 5:18:19pm

re: #941 Coracle

I'd be happy to be wrong, in truth. But then I'd need reason to think so.

947 Wendya  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 5:18:27pm

re: #930 freetoken

When someone takes the office of Attorney General, how are we to evaluate them:

(1) by their actions; or
(2) by our fears?

By their past actions, past associations and the record of their positions. To do otherwise is absurd.

948 Danny  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 5:19:02pm

re: #940 Charles

Just finished my hot dog with bean salad dinner and missed it. What's the number?

949 freetoken  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 5:19:30pm

re: #939 iceweasel

Beck has discovered one of the ways to get rich (especially in the US): market to people's fear.

There are decisions on which one may want to criticize the AG... but that we now see that fear (of racism?) is the driving point... I conclude that people are running with their emotions rather than their heads.

Same thing with Jones. He wouldn't have been my choice for the job. But I am not going to try and run him out of town just on allegations of him possibly believing some troofer point.

Evidence, tangible, of present misdeed is what makes someone unworthy to serve in office in this country. Not allegations or fears.

950 [deleted]  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 5:19:31pm
951 unrealizedviewpoint  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 5:20:04pm

re: #948 Danny

Just finished my hot dog with bean salad dinner and missed it. What's the number?

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

952 unrealizedviewpoint  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 5:20:38pm

re: #950 buzzsawmonkey

Ah, hell. I typed "Holdren" instead of "Holder" yet again. Must...reprogram...fingers...

Happens to me everytime I put on new ones.

953 [deleted]  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 5:22:04pm
954 unrealizedviewpoint  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 5:22:15pm

re: #945 unrealizedviewpoint

Now I got it. Was definitely a racists statement.

955 freetoken  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 5:22:46pm

re: #947 Wendya

By their past actions, past associations and the record of their positions. To do otherwise is absurd.

And the United States Senate looked at Mr. Holder and deemed him qualified to hold the office.

You don't like President Obama - we got that. You don't like Eric Holder - we got that too. However, if you want to make an argument against Holder, show mean action Holder has done that you think is wrong. Don't expect me (or most people, frankly) to judge Mr. Holder based on your fears.

956 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 5:22:50pm

re: #806 kay1212

Zombie posted on another thread some first hand experiences with Van Jones and claims you can't overstate his extremism.

In fact, Zombie seemed to be afraid of writing about those eye witness experiences because of linkage back to Zombie and even mentioned the personal safety of Zombie's family.

I haven't read this type of reaction from Zombie before so I have to infer that there's something behind it.

I took that comment to mean that zombie can't use certain information about Van Jones without compromising zombie's secret identity.

957 BARACK THE VOTE  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 5:23:15pm

re: #944 buzzsawmonkey

You are continuing to engage in ad hominem, or rather ad feminem, attacks rather than answering the questions put to you.

Changing the subject to Nixon isn't doing your case any favours. Referring to me and Coracle as 'doctrinaire morons' isn't helping you prove any point-- except the one I previously made:

You are engaging in conspiracy talk, you have no answers to our questions, you have no examples to provide, and when this is pointed out to you your response is to attack others, insult them, and smear them by claiming they know nothing of life but only of books, and call them morons.

You're engaging in wacko conspiracy rhetoric. Nothing more.

958 Danny  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 5:24:17pm

re: #951 unrealizedviewpoint

Thanks. I don't usually downding but that one deserves it.

959 [deleted]  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 5:25:21pm
960 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 5:26:07pm

re: #940 Charles

I think it's interesting that an openly racist comment that got its poster banned is getting no down-dings.

I didn't see it. It's done down dung.

961 Wendya  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 5:26:33pm

re: #949 freetoken

Beck has discovered one of the ways to get rich (especially in the US): market to people's fear.

There are decisions on which one may want to criticize the AG... but that we now see that fear (of racism?) is the driving point... I conclude that people are running with their emotions rather than their heads.

Same thing with Jones. He wouldn't have been my choice for the job. But I am not going to try and run him out of town just on allegations of him possibly believing some troofer point.

Evidence, tangible, of present misdeed is what makes someone unworthy to serve in office in this country. Not allegations or fears.

We take umbrage with the past and present actions and beliefs of conservatives, why are liberals off limits?

962 Wendya  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 5:27:52pm

re: #955 freetoken

And the United States Senate looked at Mr. Holder and deemed him qualified to hold the office.

You don't like President Obama - we got that. You don't like Eric Holder - we got that too. However, if you want to make an argument against Holder, show mean action Holder has done that you think is wrong. Don't expect me (or most people, frankly) to judge Mr. Holder based on your fears.

Don't expect me or most people to ignore Holder's past statements. You seem to be cutting him a lot of slack you won't dream of extending to others.

963 freetoken  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 5:28:31pm

re: #961 Wendya

Take all the umbrage you want... but people like Beck et. al. are calling for removal from office/job. There is a difference.

964 BARACK THE VOTE  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 5:28:41pm

re: #959 buzzsawmonkey

No, it is merely describing you as you are. The point need not be proven--you do that yourself each time you post.

You continue to demonstrate with every attack that you have nothing to say but to insult people.

And if you imagine that either Coracle or I are doctrinaire anything, or morons, it certainly hasn't been the first time you've been wrong today! :)

Sorry, buzz, you've completely and utterly lost this battle, and you are neither intellectually honest enough to admit it, nor gracious enough to refrain from acting like a poo-flinging monkey about it.

965 Sharmuta  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 5:28:43pm

re: #962 Wendya

Don't expect me or most people to ignore Holder's past statements. You seem to be cutting him a lot of slack you won't dream of extending to others.

Who said they're off limits? You were asked for specific decisions or policy to prove your point, not told they were off limits.

966 Sharmuta  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 5:30:46pm

re: #961 Wendya

We take umbrage with the past and present actions and beliefs of conservatives, why are liberals off limits?

Oops- I meant to respond to this comment. Clicked the wrong quote function- sorry.

967 [deleted]  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 5:30:56pm
968 Wendya  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 5:33:13pm

re: #965 Sharmuta

Who said they're off limits? You were asked for specific decisions or policy to prove your point, not told they were off limits.

No, dear. The point was that we were supposed to ignore the past actions, words and associations of Obama administration officials and give them all brand spanking new clean slates. We don't extend that courtesy to anyone else so why should Obama's people be special?

969 freetoken  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 5:34:32pm

re: #962 Wendya

The whole point is this: do we base our beliefs and actions on facts or on fear?

At the end of the day, using emotion as a driving principle is very human but often leads to serious unintended consequences. Not to mention poor judgement.

Obama and Holder occupy offices of the United States of America. Jones is an employee of the United States of America. If you think they have done (that is, performed) something you consider wrong in the performance of their duties then by all means I expect you to speak up about it.

But, to try and build a case against someone based on fear of some sort of reverse-racism (as Beck does of both Obama and Holder, and as BSM does of Holder)... is empty.

970 Kenneth  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 5:35:47pm

Charles,

I believe you are cutting Van Jones a wee bit too much slack on the eco-capitalism thing. Look at the content of his speeches & books, not just the titles, and then decide if his ideas are more Marx or capitalism. My conclusion is that he leans to socialism (not communism), with a strong racialist tone.

Here's his wiki page:

In 1995, Jones started Bay Area PoliceWatch, the region's only bar-certified hotline and lawyer-referral service for alleged victims claiming police abuse. The hotline started receiving fifteen calls a day.[9] PoliceWatch began as a project of the Lawyers' Committee for Civil Rights. "We designed a computer database, the first of its kind in the country, that allows us to track problem officers, problem precincts, problem practices, so at the click of a mouse we can now identify trouble spots and troublemakers," says Jones "This has given us a tremendous advantage in trying to understand the scope and scale of the problem. Now, obviously, just because somebody calls and says, "Officer so-and-so did something to me," doesn't mean it actually happened, but if you get two, four, six phone calls about the same officer, then you begin to see a pattern. It gives you a chance to try and take affirmative steps.".[14] By 1996, Jones founded a new umbrella NGO, the Ella Baker Center for Human Rights, which "consisted of a closet-like office and a computer that Jones had brought from his apartment."[11]

From 1996-1997, Jones and PoliceWatch led a campaign which was successful in getting officer Marc Andaya fired from the San Francisco Police Department. Andaya was the lead officer accused of the in-custody death of Aaron Williams, an unarmed black man. In 1999 and 2000, Jones was a leader in the failed campaign to defeat Proposition 21, which sparked a student movement that made national headlines.[15][16] In 2001, Jones and the Ella Baker Center launched the Books Not Bars campaign. From 2001-2003, Jones and Books Not Bars led a campaign to block the construction of a proposed "Super-Jail for Youth" in Oakland's Alameda County. Books Not Bars later went on to launch a statewide campaign to transform California's juvenile justice system.[17]

In 2004, Jones was one of "100 notable Americans" who signed a "911 Truth Statement" from 911Truth.org. The statement demanded an investigation of "unanswered questions that suggest that people within the current administration may indeed have deliberately allowed 9/11 to happen, perhaps as a pretext for war."[18] Jones appears as signer number 46 to the document.[19]

971 BARACK THE VOTE  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 5:38:04pm

re: #967 buzzsawmonkey

It's been pretty well established that you're the one who is obsessed with that notion, judging my your comment to Coracle and your continual, and hilarious, misreading of the word butthurt.

I think it's time to reproduce that definition again, since you appear to be obsessed with literal meanings:

An inappropriately strong negative emotional response from a perceived personal insult. Characterized by strong feelings of shame. Frequently associated with a cessation of communication and overt hostility towards the "aggressor."

In other words, much the way you're feeling now, and exactly how you've been acting.;)
Belligerence is a hallmark of intellectual insecurity, buzz.

I ask again: Care to provide us with any examples? It's a simple question.

It's very clear you cannot, and your response, once again, is to attack.

BTW, I'm thinking your reaction on this thread also fits this definition:

Butthurt Conservative
A conservative that feels victimized when something doesn't go their way. Often comes with the feeling that anything that doesn't reflect their world view has some unfair bias against them.

972 Sharmuta  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 5:39:43pm

re: #968 Wendya

No, dear.

Don't condescend.

The point was that we were supposed to ignore the past actions, words and associations of Obama administration officials and give them all brand spanking new clean slates.

No- the point was to provide an example of current policy or actions to support your position- you failed to do so.

We don't extend that courtesy to anyone else so why should Obama's people be special?

Not true- this courtesy was extended to people on the right at this blog. The first who comes to mind is Sarah Palin.

973 Wendya  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 5:40:54pm

re: #969 freetoken

The whole point is this: do we base our beliefs and actions on facts or on fear?

At the end of the day, using emotion as a driving principle is very human but often leads to serious unintended consequences. Not to mention poor judgement.

Obama and Holder occupy offices of the United States of America. Jones is an employee of the United States of America. If you think they have done (that is, performed) something you consider wrong in the performance of their duties then by all means I expect you to speak up about it.

But, to try and build a case against someone based on fear of some sort of reverse-racism (as Beck does of both Obama and Holder, and as BSM does of Holder)... is empty.

The vast majority of people are judged by their past. I'm not going to hire a former thief because they say they've gone straight. It takes a lot more than being hired by the President to erase their recent past.

974 Coracle  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 5:41:15pm

re: #967 buzzsawmonkey

My, but you sound butthurt, or something.

Now that we've disposed of your obsession with the anal cavity, we can get back to observing that your totemic belief in words as having absolute meaning is the mark of a third-rate mind.

Ice wasn't the first to bring up the butt here, I might point out.re: #964 iceweasel

I believe bsm's continued "defense by offending" is a validation of my conclusion in #924. No denials were forthcoming, just insults. I don't know whether to be amused or saddened that this is my most downdinged comment on the board so far.

975 BARACK THE VOTE  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 5:43:00pm

re: #969 freetoken


But, to try and build a case against someone based on fear of some sort of reverse-racism (as Beck does of both Obama and Holder, and as BSM does of Holder)... is empty.

It's not merely empty, though. It's fearmongering. It's pandering to some of the worst elements of human nature. That's why it needs to be called out for what it is; hostile, inflammatory rhetoric designed to manipulate via emotion, rather than persuade via reason.

976 Charles Johnson  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 5:45:32pm

Nice. 'capt26thga' just dinged up a blatantly racist comment.

Bye now, capt26thga!

977 BARACK THE VOTE  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 5:47:28pm

re: #974 Coracle

Ice wasn't the first to bring up the butt here, I might point out.re: #964 iceweasel

I believe bsm's continued "defense by offending" is a validation of my conclusion in #924. No denials were forthcoming, just insults. I don't know whether to be amused or saddened that this is my most downdinged comment on the board so far.

I'll be updinging that for you. ;)

And you're correct. Moreover, my explanatory strategy holds: his posts have been an exercise in poo-flinging and projection. It's especially laughable that he feels the need to claim someone else is obsessed with the anal cavity given what he said to you.

I will make an ass comment though: buzz had his ass handed to him here. Again.

978 Sharmuta  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 5:48:15pm

re: #973 Wendya

The vast majority of people are judged by their past. I'm not going to hire a former thief because they say they've gone straight. It takes a lot more than being hired by the President to erase their recent past.

But you're judging them on their past and projecting it onto their present when you say they're pushing racist policies now. If they're pushing racist policies currently- give us an example.

979 Wendya  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 5:50:56pm

re: #972 Sharmuta

No- the point was to provide an example of current policy or actions to support your position- you failed to do so.

Freetoken seems to believe that the past words, actions and associations have no bearing once they're hired into the administration.

I am under NO obligation to ignore their past history and I'm not about to accept that I should as the "new" standard.

980 Wendya  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 5:52:19pm

re: #975 iceweasel

It's not merely empty, though. It's fearmongering. It's pandering to some of the worst elements of human nature. That's why it needs to be called out for what it is; hostile, inflammatory rhetoric designed to manipulate via emotion, rather than persuade via reason.

You mean like calling people "deniers" if they haven't accepted AGW on faith?

981 Sharmuta  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 5:52:28pm

re: #979 Wendya

Freetoken seems to believe that the past words, actions and associations have no bearing once they're hired into the administration.

I am under NO obligation to ignore their past history and I'm not about to accept that I should as the "new" standard.

One- you're making assumptions about Freetoken.

Two- you're still not citing current policy. It would seem your fears are, thus far, unfounded.

982 Charles Johnson  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 5:52:50pm

re: #970 Kenneth

The section about the Truther claim was just added today. Imagine my surprise.

It's simply not accurate to say that Jones "signed" that document, without something more than the fact that his name appears on a Truther website.

He may have. Or he may not have. I'm certainly not going to take a Truther's word for it ... although a whole lot of other people don't seem to have any problem with that.

I've been searching, and have found absolutely no other evidence that Jones is a Truther.

983 Coracle  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 5:53:25pm

re: #979 Wendya

Freetoken seems to believe that the past words, actions and associations have no bearing once they're hired into the administration.

I am under NO obligation to ignore their past history and I'm not about to accept that I should as the "new" standard.

Past is prologue but it is not predestination. Don't ignore the past, but if you're going to damn them because they're doing something wrong, show us the wrong they are doing.

984 Wendya  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 5:53:45pm

re: #978 Sharmuta

But you're judging them on their past and projecting it onto their present when you say they're pushing racist policies now. If they're pushing racist policies currently- give us an example.


I don't recall saying anyone was pushing racist policies today. I do remember submitting evidence of past racist actions.

985 Sharmuta  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 5:54:14pm

re: #980 Wendya

You mean like calling people "deniers" if they haven't accepted AGW on faith?

You don't have to take it on faith- just like you don't have to take evolution on faith. It's science, so you can look at the science for yourself and not take anything on faith. That's the neat thing about science- no faith required.

986 Kenneth  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 5:55:24pm

re: #982 Charles

The section about the Truther claim was just added today. Imagine my surprise.

The fact is that it's simply not accurate to say that Jones "signed" that document, without something more than the fact that his name appears on a Truther website.

He may have. Or he may not have. I'm certainly not going to take a Truther's word for it ... although a whole lot of other people don't seem to have any problem with that.

I've been searching, and have found absolutely no other evidence that Jones is a Truther.

That wiki bit was updated today? That does look suspicious.

So you stand by your position to not trust the denunciation of someone without corroborating evidence?

987 Coracle  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 5:55:43pm

re: #980 Wendya

You mean like calling people "deniers" if they haven't accepted AGW on faith?

Feh. Deniers are so named because the deny based on faith. ANyone who has issues with the actual data - having actually looked at it - is a skeptic and can be debated on the merits of the data and analysis. Deniers don't care about he evidence.

988 Wendya  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 5:55:55pm

re: #983 Coracle

Past is prologue but it is not predestination. Don't ignore the past, but if you're going to damn them because they're doing something wrong, show us the wrong they are doing.

I have damned them for the past and some of you seem to think I'm not allowed to do so now that they're part of Hope'NChange.

989 Wendya  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 5:56:50pm

re: #985 Sharmuta

You don't have to take it on faith- just like you don't have to take evolution on faith. It's science, so you can look at the science for yourself and not take anything on faith. That's the neat thing about science- no faith required.

And the neat thing about science is it's not often as cut and dried as the media would have you think. It's tough to slog through studies and papers as opposed to taking someone else's word for it.

990 Sharmuta  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 5:57:54pm

re: #989 Wendya

And the neat thing about science is it's not often as cut and dried as the media would have you think. It's tough to slog through studies and papers as opposed to taking someone else's word for it.

Right- which is why I quit taking other people's words for it. It's more work this way, but I got sick of charlatans lying to me.

991 Coracle  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 5:58:52pm

re: #988 Wendya

I have damned them for the past and some of you seem to think I'm not allowed to do so now that they're part of Hope'NChange.

I guess it's a good thing none of your political favorites have anything damnable in their pasts. /

992 BARACK THE VOTE  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 6:02:53pm

re: #987 Coracle

Feh. Deniers are so named because the deny based on faith. ANyone who has issues with the actual data - having actually looked at it - is a skeptic and can be debated on the merits of the data and analysis. Deniers don't care about he evidence.

Moreover, no one accepts AGW based on 'faith'. People accept it on the basis of evidence, not faith.
This is a typical ploy out of the anti-intellectual, anti-science playbook. Just as creationists claim scientists worship Darwin, or worship evolution, and just as athetists are accused of 'making a religion out of atheism' (huh?), AGW deniers like to claim that others are accepting AGW 'on faith'.

It's like objecting to the term denier and claiming they're really 'sceptics'.* No, they are attempting to co-opt the prestige and authority of science by portraying themselves as the truly rational the truly objective.
As usual, it's a total inversion of reality.

*there are real sceptics as Coracle notes, but those people can and are persuaded when presented with the data and analysis. The deniers are motivated purely to deny.

993 Danny  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 6:04:05pm

Penn Jillette's take on Beck and the advertisers, etc. A somewhat different perspective from others I've seen, to say the least.

994 Wendya  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 6:04:40pm

re: #990 Sharmuta

Right- which is why I quit taking other people's words for it. It's more work this way, but I got sick of charlatans lying to me.

I too am sick and tired of charlatans and fools. People who read an abstract and pretend that's an acceptable substitute for reading original research, people who confuse correlation with causation and people who believe computer models that predict future climate are infallible.

995 Wendya  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 6:06:25pm

re: #991 Coracle

I guess it's a good thing none of your political favorites have anything damnable in their pasts. /

Well, none of them are racist or have recent associations with marxist organizations. But then again, I do have standards.

996 Wendya  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 6:07:56pm

re: #992 iceweasel

Moreover, no one accepts AGW based on 'faith'. People accept it on the basis of evidence, not faith.
.

That is absolutely untrue. Most people on both sides of the debate know nothing more than what they've been told by others. They haven't seen any actual "evidence". That is faith.

997 Charles Johnson  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 6:11:43pm

re: #996 Wendya

That is absolutely untrue. Most people on both sides of the debate know nothing more than what they've been told by others. They haven't seen any actual "evidence". That is faith.

I've seen a LOT of evidence. I've been reading the scientific literature on climate change for the past year, because I wanted to be informed about it. I've read both skeptics and advocates.

And I've concluded that the scientists are right. The Earth's climate is rapidly warming. There's almost no doubt about this among reputable scientists.

The political issues are completely separate from the science. And there are a LOT of politicians on the right who are promoting absolute garbage and lies about the science. I've lost all respect for the GOP on this issue.

998 Sharmuta  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 6:12:43pm

re: #994 Wendya

I too am sick and tired of charlatans and fools. People who read an abstract and pretend that's an acceptable substitute for reading original research, people who confuse correlation with causation and people who believe computer models that predict future climate are infallible.

Are you saying scientists are the charlatans?

999 Charles Johnson  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 6:12:50pm

re: #993 Danny

Penn Jillette appears on Glenn Beck's show often.

1000 Gus  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 6:16:26pm

re: #887 buzzsawmonkey

The African-American community has spent the last 40 years feeding its own racism, even as the larger society has worked and striven to eradicate its own.

We are now being governed by those racists.

We are not being governed by racists. If one is to look at Barack Obama's history and past there is nothing to suggest in his work experience or writing that he is a racist -- other than a few miscalculated words or phrases.

To claim that we are being governed by racists suggests that the remaining leaders of our government are racists. This would imply the Vice President, Joe Biden, as being racist. It would have to include Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid and Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi. It would implicate the Supreme Court as headed by Chief Justice of the United States. It would apply to countless other judges and courts across the United States. The Department of Defense under Robert Gates and so on.

There is more to our current government than one man and one branch. To imply that this government is racist is an extremely serious charge that will have negative implication both domestically and internationally even if it unfounded. The idea of going through the remaining term of President Obama's office while hearing unfounded charges of racism is on that I find unpalatable, counterproductive and one that will be detrimental to the nation.

1001 Sharmuta  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 6:16:28pm

re: #993 Danny

He doesn't know about Stormfront, apparently.

1002 [deleted]  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 6:19:21pm
1003 Danny  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 6:19:40pm

re: #1001 Sharmuta

Probably not.

1004 Charles Johnson  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 6:20:44pm

re: #1002 alwyr

And now the assholes start showing up.

1005 Sharmuta  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 6:20:59pm

re: #1002 alwyr

Beck also thinks Isaiah 2:4 is communist propaganda.

1006 [deleted]  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 6:21:03pm
1007 jantjepietje  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 6:21:18pm

re: #19 Spare O'Lake

So organized politically motivated boycotts by advertisers are a good thing?


If people voluntarily join them why not?

But organized political boycotts are very dangerous precisely because they involve organized efforts to defeat the free operation of the marketplace.


I still don't get this argument
Consumers make a free choice on what goods they do or do not buy on what grounds they decide to (not)buy it is irrelevant from a free amrket perspective. What you say is: people may decide to buy or not buy on grounds X,Y and Z but not on A because that is interfering with the free market. Maybe I'm stupid but I just don't get it.

1008 Sharmuta  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 6:21:42pm

re: #1006 Inzax

He thinks the Bible has communist propaganda in it!

1009 Charles Johnson  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 6:21:54pm

Wow. Here they come.

1010 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 6:23:03pm

re: #993 Danny

Penn Jillette's take on Beck and the advertisers, etc. A somewhat different perspective from others I've seen, to say the least.


[Video]

Once again, I find myself referencing the TV show "Married: With Children".

Back in the day, a hyper-religious relative of mine got a letter urging her to boycott a fast food chain because it advertised on that show. She signed the pre-written boycott pledge card and was going to mail it to (might have been Burger King?) the corporate headquarters.

I asked if she had ever seen the show, she said "no". So I asked why she would then sign that card and send it in. She said that it came from a christian organization, so they must be trustworthy. So of course I had to ask if she was going to actually boycott one of her favorite places to eat. She said "no".

1011 QueenEsther  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 6:24:19pm
...has accused "whites" of poisoning migrant immigrants...

That is false.

Charles, I heard and watched the clip on Beck's show yesterday. The clip shows Jones making that accusation in a speech before a live audience. Sad, but true.

1012 Charles Johnson  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 6:30:12pm

re: #1011 QueenEsther

Charles, I heard and watched the clip on Beck's show yesterday. The clip shows Jones making that accusation in a speech before a live audience. Sad, but true.

It's false. I saw the full clip, not the short, out of context clip that Fox News has on their rapid rotation today, and Jones was saying that immigrant workers are often exposed to pesticide spraying. This, by the way, is true.

You should not trust Glenn Beck; he's promoting very bad causes and people, and is a horrible influence on the right. But that's your decision.

1013 Sharmuta  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 6:30:21pm

re: #1011 QueenEsther

Beck also thinks Isaiah 2:4 is communist propaganda. I can't believe a single thing that comes from him after something like that.

1014 Gus  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 6:37:31pm

re: #993 Danny

Penn Jillette's take on Beck and the advertisers, etc. A somewhat different perspective from others I've seen, to say the least.


Penn Jillette is wrong. He says in the end "that if you are not a member of the congregation you don't get to vote." Glenn Beck is not a magician as he is nor is he a late night commentator such as Bill Maher. Glenn Beck has transcended into a public figure with a great deal of political capital. Maher is not a part of organized political public events in which he takes part as speaker nor anything approaching that of recent political rallies.

The intent of Beck's actions is to destabilize the administrations attempts through alarmist rhetoric approaching psychological manipulation of his viewer who are citizens of the United States. As long as he puts himself in the position of being his very own NGO and political animal, we have every right to petition News Corporation and criticizing his words. His actions are an attempt to sway this nation and effect the body politic and policy. As long as he continues this, he and his followers will have to contend with an opposition.

1015 redmonkey  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 6:59:48pm

re: #955 freetoken

And the United States Senate looked at Mr. Holder and deemed him qualified to hold the office.

You don't like President Obama - we got that. You don't like Eric Holder - we got that too. However, if you want to make an argument against Holder, show mean action Holder has done that you think is wrong. Don't expect me (or most people, frankly) to judge Mr. Holder based on your fears.

What about Black panther case in Philadelphia?

1016 Kenneth  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 7:01:56pm

re: #1012 Charles

The point Jones was making is that environmentalists are usually white middle class folk who campaign to stop pollution in their neighborhoods, but not in black neighborhoods. The effect of this is to "funnel poisons" toward minorities.

1017 Ayeless in Ghazi  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 7:10:59pm

re: #964 iceweasel

You continue to demonstrate with every attack that you have nothing to say but to insult people.

And if you imagine that either Coracle or I are doctrinaire anything, or morons, it certainly hasn't been the first time you've been wrong today! :)

Sorry, buzz, you've completely and utterly lost this battle, and you are neither intellectually honest enough to admit it, nor gracious enough to refrain from acting like a poo-flinging monkey about it.

It's what he always does when he loses arguments. It's pathetic.

"I cannot answer you so I will merely accuse you of having a third rate mind, among other nasty things, then I shall run away!".

1018 QueenEsther  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 7:15:39pm
It's false. I saw the full clip, not the short, out of context clip that Fox News has on their rapid rotation today, and Jones was saying that immigrant workers are often exposed to pesticide spraying. This, by the way, is true.

You should not trust Glenn Beck; he's promoting very bad causes and people, and is a horrible influence on the right. But that's your decision.

I don't know to what extent the clip is out of context - certainly seemed like a decent portion of Jones' speech - not just a quick clip. If it were possible to pull it up, I'l