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1 Sharmuta  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 11:15:43pm

Where ever you go, there you are.

3 Neutral President  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 11:21:20pm

re: #1 Sharmuta

Where ever you go, there you are.

"Buckaroo Banzai! I'lla see you ina HELL!"

4 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 11:21:37pm

re: #1 Sharmuta

"There you are"!

"Do we know each other"?

"No, but there you are".

5 Sharmuta  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 11:21:37pm

re: #2 Slumbering Behemoth

Verdict first, trial second!

6 redc1c4  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 11:22:10pm

expect the unexpected.

he does.

7 redc1c4  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 11:23:00pm

re: #5 Sharmuta

Verdict first, trial second!

and fruitcup before anything!

8 redc1c4  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 11:23:52pm

re: #3 ArchangelMichael

"Buckaroo Banzai! I'lla see you ina HELL!"

i LOVE that movie... i wish they had made more of them

/closet fanboy

9 mikeymom  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 11:26:06pm

re: #7 redc1c4

and fruitcup before anything!

sigh--fruitcup is no more

10 freetoken  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 11:26:07pm
If you understand, things are just as they are; if you do not understand, things are just as they are.

Logical positivism?

12 calcajun  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 11:27:27pm

re: #8 redc1c4

i LOVE that movie... i wish they had made more of them

/closet fanboy

It drives like a truck.

Great. What is a truck?

13 redc1c4  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 11:27:49pm

re: #9 mikeymom

sigh--fruitcup is no more

huh? i've got some right here... it was in the frig. i can even smell the rum!

14 calcajun  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 11:28:19pm

re: #13 redc1c4

You're so strict.

15 Bagua  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 11:28:34pm

re: #10 freetoken

Logical positivism?

You're just showing off because Ludwig is indisposed.

/smartypants

16 TheMatrix31  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 11:28:57pm

re: #9 mikeymom

sigh--fruitcup is no more

What's the deal?

17 mikeymom  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 11:29:13pm

re: #13 redc1c4

huh? i've got some right here... it was in the frig. i can even smell the rum!

yes well- lol will not be supplying it anymore--guess it is BYOFC

18 Sharmuta  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 11:29:27pm

re: #10 freetoken

Logical positivism?

I love it!

19 Neutral President  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 11:29:44pm

re: #12 calcajun

It drives like a truck.

Great. What is a truck?

"Look at this place! Don't you have any pride. It's a goddamn pigsty down here!"

20 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 11:30:45pm

re: #8 redc1c4

Hi. My name is The Behemoth, and I am a recovering fan of Buckaroo Banzai.
/I also love Big Trouble in Little China

21 Sharmuta  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 11:30:48pm

re: #16 TheMatrix31

What's the deal?

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

22 calcajun  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 11:31:31pm

re: #19 ArchangelMichael

"Look at this place! Don't you have any pride. It's a goddamn pigsty down here!"

The truth is when you get past the mid-brain, it all looks the same. Don't pull on that -- you never know what it's attached to.

23 StudSupreme  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 11:32:09pm

Big-Boo-TAY!!!

24 Neutral President  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 11:32:42pm

re: #20 Slumbering Behemoth

Hi. My name is The Behemoth, and I am a recovering fan of Buckaroo Banzai.
/I also love Big Trouble in Little China

No horseshit Wang?

25 TheMatrix31  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 11:33:17pm

re: #21 Sharmuta

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

What the fuck?

What kind of comments?

26 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 11:33:20pm

re: #21 Sharmuta

If my tear ducts worked properly, I would cry. I am crushed, and I say that without sarcasm.

27 esch  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 11:33:26pm

re: #20 Slumbering Behemoth

Hi. My name is The Behemoth, and I am a recovering fan of Buckaroo Banzai.
/I also love Big Trouble in Little China

Clancy's da man.

28 mikeymom  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 11:34:06pm

re: #21 Sharmuta

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

sharmuta--i just have to ask. every thread-start to finish--you are there. do you eat? sleep? go potty? work? no disrespect intended--just asking!

29 Sharmuta  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 11:34:24pm

re: #26 Slumbering Behemoth

If my tear ducts worked properly, I would cry. I am crushed, and I say that without sarcasm.

I know, Dear... I don't want to talk about it.

30 Dancing along the light of day  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 11:34:45pm

re: #21 Sharmuta

SIGH.
I hadn't seen that before.
Thank you for posting it.

31 Sharmuta  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 11:34:55pm

re: #28 mikeymom

sharmuta--i just have to ask. every thread-start to finish--you are there. do you eat? sleep? go potty? work? no disrespect intended--just asking!

No- it's just not true that I'm on every thread.

32 ~Fianna  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 11:34:58pm

Evening Lizardim. How is everyone tonight? I'm good except for the $400 reaming I took at the college bookstore today.

Damn, learning is expensive.

33 Neutral President  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 11:35:34pm

re: #16 TheMatrix31

Oh BTW. I could only find that Loose Change viewers' Guide as a Word document file now. The site that used to host it isn't up anymore. There might be some info at screwloosechange though if you still need it.

34 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 11:35:41pm

re: #24 ArchangelMichael

No horseshit Wang?

No horseshit, I represent!

35 TheMatrix31  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 11:35:41pm

re: #26 Slumbering Behemoth

If my tear ducts worked properly, I would cry. I am crushed, and I say that without sarcasm.

I'm just...I...I don't know.

36 TheMatrix31  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 11:36:09pm

re: #33 ArchangelMichael

Oh BTW. I could only find that Loose Change viewers' Guide as a Word document file now. The site that used to host it isn't up anymore. There might be some info at screwloosechange though if you still need it.

Thanks dude, I'll relay it.

37 mikeymom  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 11:36:16pm

re: #31 Sharmuta

ok sorry--every other??

38 Dancing along the light of day  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 11:36:38pm

re: #32 ~Fianna

Just keep telling yourself that it will be worth it.
And, it WILL be worth it!
(Did you look on Amazon for used textbooks? They have a lot...)

39 Sharmuta  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 11:38:06pm

re: #37 mikeymom

Nope. I'm here when I'm here and gone when I'm gone.

40 Neutral President  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 11:38:12pm

re: #34 Slumbering Behemoth

No horseshit, I represent!

Well the only thing more we could ask for is a Six Demon Bag!

41 Neutral President  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 11:40:56pm

re: #21 Sharmuta

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

I couldn't find any there but I don't like wading around in shit for too long.

42 redc1c4  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 11:40:57pm

re: #20 Slumbering Behemoth

love that movie too...

43 ~Fianna  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 11:41:42pm

re: #38 Floral Giraffe

Just keep telling yourself that it will be worth it.
And, it WILL be worth it!
(Did you look on Amazon for used textbooks? They have a lot...)

Not the new updated versions or the incredibly freeking expensive lab manual for my electronics class. Seriously - 78 bucks for a bound set of worksheets? Really?

44 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 11:42:33pm

re: #31 Sharmuta

No- it's just not true that I'm on every thread.

This is a fact that I know to be true by my own witnessing.

I am on every thread. Always. Every bit, every byte, on every thread, I am there. Simultaneously. Always.

I am on LGF threads that existed long before the birth of the internet, and I am on LGF threads yet to be. I know what all Lizards are posting, past present and future. And Sharmuta, she is not always there. But I am. Always.
///

45 Neutral President  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 11:42:57pm

re: #43 ~Fianna

Not the new updated versions or the incredibly freeking expensive lab manual for my electronics class. Seriously - 78 bucks for a bound set of worksheets? Really?

A degree and a few years of not begging for more money got me a 30+ percent raise. So finishing can more than pay for itself quickly.

46 mikeymom  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 11:43:41pm

re: #39 Sharmuta

ok--just asking- almost 70.000 comments in 2 1/2 yrs--you go girl!! its all good!

47 Sharmuta  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 11:44:17pm

re: #41 ArchangelMichael

1) I don't know what to say. I saw Charles' comment earlier, and thought I'd share it.

2) I really can't take discussing this. Really upsetting.

48 Neutral President  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 11:45:35pm

re: #47 Sharmuta

Agreed on that. Very upsetting.

49 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 11:46:43pm

re: #35 TheMatrix31

Honestly, I am broken-hearted. I find no joy in this revelation what so ever.

50 Sharmuta  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 11:47:27pm

re: #46 mikeymom

People have noticed before I'm here a lot, and I don't deny that, but I don't participate on every thread. Sometimes I leave and come back hours later to the same thread, so it might look like I'd never left! But trust me- I'm not always here.

51 freetoken  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 11:48:07pm

re: #43 ~Fianna

It's a racket if there ever was one.

Last year I was at a local college so I stopped by the bookstore and looked at the physics texts. The first year college level physics textbook has been, for many years, been one by Halliday and Resnick. I used an early version decades ago.

So now the students are paying $95 x 3 for the same information I had (mmm)-years ago for which I paid I belive twenty some dollars.

Classical physics has not changed in (mmm)-years.

No, it really hasn't.

It's a scam, and part of the reason why education costs have skyrocketed.

So I checked the recent price: Not only have they split the textbook into three textbooks (to triple the costs!)

52 redc1c4  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 11:48:26pm

re: #44 Slumbering Behemoth

This is a fact that I know to be true by my own witnessing.

I am on every thread. Always. Every bit, every byte, on every thread, I am there. Simultaneously. Always.

I am on LGF threads that existed long before the birth of the internet, and I am on LGF threads yet to be. I know what all Lizards are posting, past present and future. And Sharmuta, she is not always there. But I am. Always.
///

and yet, you're not even a zit on a real Behemoth...

/white smoke

53 Sharmuta  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 11:49:07pm

re: #49 Slumbering Behemoth

I'm sorry I had to be the one to break it to folks- really. But the truth is best.

Sorry, Guys... I just can't sit and see you guys wondering either... Sorry.

54 freetoken  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 11:49:48pm

re: #51 freetoken

Wow, something went wrong with that entry. The last paragraph was supposedly the third one. How did that happen?

55 mikeymom  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 11:50:33pm

re: #50 Sharmuta

is ok--at least you dont pimp your blog like somedo-- i like you sharm-lol-

56 redc1c4  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 11:50:46pm

re: #36 TheMatrix31

dude! save me the trouble of looking up your email or driving to the wrong side of the 405...

i've got school stories for ya, at the very least, and maybe a beer.

(and fruitcup! %-)

57 redc1c4  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 11:51:50pm

re: #53 Sharmuta

I'm sorry I had to be the one to break it to folks- really. But the truth is best.

Sorry, Guys... I just can't sit and see you guys wondering either... Sorry.

well, as we all know, the truth is out there...

58 Neutral President  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 11:51:57pm

re: #51 freetoken

It's a racket if there ever was one.

Last year I was at a local college so I stopped by the bookstore and looked at the physics texts. The first year college level physics textbook has been, for many years, been one by Halliday and Resnick. I used an early version decades ago.

So now the students are paying $95 x 3 for the same information I had (mmm)-years ago for which I paid I belive twenty some dollars.

Classical physics has not changed in (mmm)-years.

No, it really hasn't.

It's a scam, and part of the reason why education costs have skyrocketed.

So I checked the recent price: Not only have they split the textbook into three textbooks (to triple the costs!)

I used that same text book in 1992 & 1993 and it cost me between $69 and 89-ish per book at the time so I think only having to pay that much now is a bargain. Physics textbooks when I went back to finish my degree were pushing $200 for me if I bought them new.

59 ~Fianna  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 11:52:06pm

re: #45 ArchangelMichael

A degree and a few years of not begging for more money got me a 30+ percent raise. So finishing can more than pay for itself quickly.

*nod* I have a BA - but it's outside of my professional field. (I work in IT, the degree is in Literature and Early American Intellectual History with a focus on the creation of a uniquely American notion of gender and race) I'm happy where I'm at, but if I ever wanted to move to another company, the disconnect between the education and the work is something of an issue, so I'm working on certs and whatnot.

I don't know how people who have kids or who are kids can afford this stuff, though. I'm reasonably well-paid, but that's still a chunk of change to drop on something that's not a bill or a home repair.

60 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 11:52:59pm

re: #42 redc1c4

Maybe it's just nostalgia, or a longing for my younger days, but I think they just don't make comedy films today that can touch the stuff from the '80s. "Better Off Dead" and "Ferris Bueller's Day Off" immediately jump to my mind as classic masterpieces.

/Howard the Duck was awful, though.

61 Bagua  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 11:53:25pm

re: #39 Sharmuta

Nope. I'm here when I'm here and gone when I'm gone.

"And remember, no matter where you go, there you are" - Confucius

62 freetoken  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 11:53:49pm

So, I'm still trying to figure out why I should be so afraid of Van Jones. After all, Beck, Malkin and others have clearly shown that he is some sort of beast (ahem...)

Here he is on the job from a little less than 3 months ago [large mp4]:

Scary stuff... insulating your homes.

63 Sharmuta  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 11:54:15pm

re: #61 Bagua

"And remember, no matter where you go, there you are" - Confucius

I think I said that first. ;)

64 ~Fianna  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 11:55:32pm

re: #51 freetoken

It's a racket if there ever was one.

Last year I was at a local college so I stopped by the bookstore and looked at the physics texts. The first year college level physics textbook has been, for many years, been one by Halliday and Resnick. I used an early version decades ago.

So now the students are paying $95 x 3 for the same information I had (mmm)-years ago for which I paid I belive twenty some dollars.

Classical physics has not changed in (mmm)-years.

No, it really hasn't.

It's a scam, and part of the reason why education costs have skyrocketed.

So I checked the recent price: Not only have they split the textbook into three textbooks (to triple the costs!)

Yup. Fortunately both of these books are good for 2 semesters worth of their respective classes, so at least I won't be griping much next semester. I don't think the fundamentals of AC electronics have changed much, so I'm sure that the differences between the twelfth and fifteenth editions are probably moving some commas and fixing minor errata... and changing question numbers 13, 15 and 23 in chapter 5 so that your homework is bound to be incorrect if you don'[t buy the new book.

65 TheMatrix31  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 11:55:41pm

re: #56 redc1c4

dude! save me the trouble of looking up your email or driving to the wrong side of the 405...

i've got school stories for ya, at the very least, and maybe a beer.

(and fruitcup! %-)

What's happenin' lol

66 ~Fianna  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 11:57:10pm

re: #60 Slumbering Behemoth

Maybe it's just nostalgia, or a longing for my younger days, but I think they just don't make comedy films today that can touch the stuff from the '80s. "Better Off Dead" and "Ferris Bueller's Day Off" immediately jump to my mind as classic masterpieces.

/Howard the Duck was awful, though.

Twwwooo dooolllarrrsss!

67 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 11:57:37pm

re: #52 redc1c4

I AM the real Behemoth!

paynoattentiontothemanbehindthecurtain

68 JacksonTn  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 11:58:05pm

Who here is surprised? ... who? ... America elected a black left leaning president and America was not ready for that ... he was the vehicle ... with some ideas to change the way America has been for so long ... so who is really surprised? ... oh, yeah, did anyone think there would not be a fight? ... it is what it is all about ... it will get so dirty and ugly ... but in the end it will be good ... I have faith in that ... times have changed ... but not enough ... we will come together ... change is always painful ... in any aspect of life ...

My family is not trying to keep anyone down ... we never have ... we just hope that people will take more responsibility for what their lives have become for generations ... helping is good ... enabling not so much ...

Having said that ... I will never forget what happened on 9/11 ... never .. there is an enemy ... and I hope it remains outside of America ... there is not enough replay of this ... the troops in Iraq and Afghanistan are fighting for all of us ...

69 Dancing along the light of day  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 11:58:10pm

re: #43 ~Fianna

Many years ago, I had a required textbook "Art of the ancient greeks" that was $150, and for $10 or less, I could have xeroxed all of the writing in the GD book. Yes, call it 20 years ago! Grrr.

70 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 11:58:40pm

re: #53 Sharmuta

No apologies necessary. It's better to know than not.

71 I Need A Bigger Gun  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 11:59:13pm

I picked up "Harlem Nights" from the $5 bin at Walmart the other night. I hadn't seen it for quite a while. I think it's ironic that in a movie with Redd Foxx, Richard Pryor, and Eddie Murphy, the two best lines were delivered by Della Reese. The first during the alley fight with Eddie Murphy: "Oh, you wanna hit people with garbage cans...". The second after she gets bailed out of jail: "Kiss my ENTIRE ass!". Classic...

72 Sharmuta  Thu, Sep 3, 2009 11:59:40pm

re: #62 freetoken

Insulation is a tool of communists to muffle voices of dissent. It is also known to come in pink. Pink! Meaning commie pinkos! You're damn straight folks should be frightened. Commie pink insulation is coming to silence you!1!

73 redc1c4  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 12:00:42am

re: #60 Slumbering Behemoth

Maybe it's just nostalgia, or a longing for my younger days, but I think they just don't make comedy films today that can touch the stuff from the '80s. "Better Off Dead" and "Ferris Bueller's Day Off" immediately jump to my mind as classic masterpieces.

/Howard the Duck was awful, though.

i've never seen any of those... but ni have seen the Best Movie Ever several times.

74 ~Fianna  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 12:00:55am

re: #69 Floral Giraffe

Many years ago, I had a required textbook "Art of the ancient greeks" that was $150, and for $10 or less, I could have xeroxed all of the writing in the GD book. Yes, call it 20 years ago! Grrr.

I considered doing that. It makes me feel bad though.

75 Neutral President  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 12:01:07am

re: #71 I Need A Bigger Gun

That's another one of my favorite movies.

"I got something in my eye"
"Well get it the fuck out yo' eye, you blind mutha fucka!"

76 Ayeless in Ghazi  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 12:01:24am

"re: #26 Slumbering Behemoth

If my tear ducts worked properly, I would cry. I am crushed, and I say that without sarcasm.

What is it about self-styled 'little old ladies' on the internet btw? I'm starting to get a phobia.

77 TheMatrix31  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 12:01:34am

I went into like, five threads there, and nothing...guess it was in another one

78 Dancing along the light of day  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 12:01:35am

re: #53 Sharmuta

WHY are YOU apologizing? You are just sharing information. It is NOT your fault. /Lecture off, now!

79 redc1c4  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 12:01:40am

re: #63 Sharmuta

I think I said that first. ;)

Buckaroo did...

80 Neutral President  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 12:02:17am

re: #79 redc1c4

Buckaroo did...

Pigkiller in Mad Max Beyond Thunderdome said it before everyone!

81 Bagua  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 12:02:43am

re: #63 Sharmuta

I think I said that first. ;)

The matter is in dispute, with others attributing it to Buddha, and of course Buckaroo Banzai and Ram Das more recently, so your claim is equally credible and I shall immediately inform the media via twitter.

But the dire straights of the country, what with the idiots being everywhere and all, compels me to ask:

"How Can You Be in Two Places at Once When You're Not Anywhere at All"

82 Sharmuta  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 12:02:54am

re: #79 redc1c4

I meant as in comment #1. Twas a joke.

83 Neutral President  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 12:08:52am

I'll probably be back a little later. I'm thirsty, it's miserably hot out still, and the previous thread is seriously itching my ass. Gonna go for a drive or something.

84 redc1c4  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 12:10:18am

re: #65 TheMatrix31

What's happenin' lol

lots of UCLA stories, and some other stuff. just drop the line... it's a long weekend, maybe you can stop by for a beer or something.

(anything to get me away from homew*rk and honeydo's %-)

85 theheat  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 12:11:12am

re: #9 mikeymom

Holy crap, another one. I didn't see that coming.

86 TheMatrix31  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 12:11:36am

re: #84 redc1c4

lots of UCLA stories, and some other stuff. just drop the line... it's a long weekend, maybe you can stop by for a beer or something.

(anything to get me away from homew*rk and honeydo's %-)

I'm swamped all weekend dude! Work tomorrow and Saturday, fantasy football Sunday, BBQ monday...you dont even have to tell me the UCLA stories though, I bet you know I can tell you exactly what happened.

87 redc1c4  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 12:11:38am

re: #82 Sharmuta

I meant as in comment #1. Twas a joke.

well, it's not like you're famous for your sense of humor...

88 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 12:12:12am

re: #73 redc1c4

You should rent Better Off Dead.

"Gee, I'm really sorry your mom blew up, Ricky"

John Cusack, lying in the back of a garbage truck, and someone on an overpass sees this below, and comments:

"Now that's a real shame when folks be throwin' away a perfectly good white boy like that."

89 Bagua  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 12:12:18am

re: #82 Sharmuta

You did say it first, I missed that, context is everything.

And of course Mike Brady:re: #68 JacksonTn

"...and just remember kids: Wherever you go, there you are."

re: #68 JacksonTn

Yes, remain calm, the Left survived Bush and the Right will survive Obama, but no-one ever emerges unscathed in life. In any case, the future is never guaranteed and always uncertain.

90 redc1c4  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 12:13:10am

re: #86 TheMatrix31

I'm swamped all weekend dude! Work tomorrow and Saturday, fantasy football Sunday, BBQ monday...you dont even have to tell me the UCLA stories though, I bet you know I can tell you exactly what happened.

i guarantee you can't... just drop the note.

i'll owe you the beer,

91 TheMatrix31  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 12:13:32am

Here are some stylings from the Iron Sheik to lighten the mood.

VERY NSFW.

92 redc1c4  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 12:14:22am

re: #89 Bagua

You did say it first, I missed that, context is everything.

And of course Mike Brady:re: #68 JacksonTn

"...and just remember kids: Wherever you go, there you are."

re: #68 JacksonTn

Yes, remain calm, the Left survived Bush and the Right will survive Obama, but no-one ever emerges unscathed in life. In any case, the future is never guaranteed and always uncertain.

no, it's not.

we were all put here to suffer and die needlessly.

93 TheMatrix31  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 12:15:55am

re: #90 redc1c4

i guarantee you can't... just drop the note.

i'll owe you the beer,

It's summer session eh?

94 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 12:16:35am

re: #92 redc1c4

Optimism FTW!

95 JacksonTn  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 12:16:39am

Sides are drawn but ... we will see ... more to life than politics ...

Albusteve ... hang in there man ...

Good Night ...

96 pat  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 12:16:53am

Denver seems to be hit by wave of Black on White /Hispanic crime.
[Link: cbs4denver.com...]

How different.

97 Bagua  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 12:17:21am

re: #92 redc1c4

no, it's not.

we were all put here to suffer and die needlessly.

No, you were sent here to suffer and die needlessly, our roles are different...
I was sent here to annoy the world.

98 BARACK THE VOTE  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 12:17:52am

re: #10 freetoken

Logical positivism?

Ludwig, both our own and Wittgenstein, would tell you that the problem with the verification principle is that it cannot itself be verified.

;)

99 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 12:19:28am

Okay, I saw this trailer for a movie. There is no doubt that it's a porno, so I won't link the trailer, but should I even mention it's name here?

This is likely to be the first pr0n flick I watch for the storyline.

100 Dancing along the light of day  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 12:20:14am

re: #95 JacksonTn

I think it's REALLY COOL that you are out here, reminding us, of what we know, that AllBuSteve is going through! And needs our support.
So, whack yourself on the back, once, REALLY HARD for me, will you?
GOOD JOB!
Seriously, take your breath away!

101 redc1c4  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 12:20:55am

re: #93 TheMatrix31

It's summer session eh?

ucla extension

102 Dancing along the light of day  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 12:21:32am

re: #99 Slumbering Behemoth

Yaeh, you're watching Pron FOR a storyline?
Heh.
Wanna buy a bridge???

103 TheMatrix31  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 12:22:12am

re: #101 redc1c4

ucla extension

I get an extension everytime I go to UCLA...those chicks can be pretty hot.

104 Gretchen G.Tiger  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 12:22:19am

weet dreams all!

105 Sharmuta  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 12:22:35am

re: #99 Slumbering Behemoth

This is likely to be the first pr0n flick I watch for the storyline.

I predict disappointment.

106 redc1c4  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 12:22:43am

re: #97 Bagua

No, you were sent here to suffer and die needlessly, our roles are different...
I was sent here to annoy the world.

you're not even a stain on the linoleum of life's floor...

hell, i've had zits with more personality that you.

107 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 12:22:50am

re: #97 Bagua

No, you were sent here to suffer and die needlessly, our roles are different...
I was sent here to annoy the world.

Thus you fulfill the suffering part. I devour souls in my perennial slumber, and so I fulfill the "die needlessly" part.

I think Red covers the "OMG! I can taste sounds and hear colors" part with his brand of fruitcup.

108 Sharmuta  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 12:23:07am

re: #103 TheMatrix31

But do they have nice personalities?

109 redc1c4  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 12:23:13am

re: #99 Slumbering Behemoth

Okay, I saw this trailer for a movie. There is no doubt that it's a porno, so I won't link the trailer, but should I even mention it's name here?

This is likely to be the first pr0n flick I watch for the storyline.

Taboo?

/white smoke

110 redc1c4  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 12:24:15am

re: #105 Sharmuta

I predick disappointment.

FTFY!

111 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 12:25:11am

re: #105 Sharmuta

I predict disappointment.

Ron Jeremy's character gets shot in a violent altercation. I predict AWE-SOME!

/It looks like Pulp Fiction + River's Edge + Lots of Fake Titties

112 redc1c4  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 12:25:39am

popping smoke and hitting the rack.

school in the am and fruitcup in the frig!

hep youself...

hasta, yall.

L8r!

113 Bagua  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 12:26:37am

re: #107 Slumbering Behemoth

Thus you fulfill the suffering part. I devour souls in my perennial slumber, and so I fulfill the "die needlessly" part.

I think Red covers the "OMG! I can taste sounds and hear colors" part with his brand of fruitcup.

Yes, we are good at what we do.

114 TheMatrix31  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 12:27:20am

re: #108 Sharmuta

But do they have nice personalities?

They're nutjob liberals, so nothing I'd wanna get involved with.

115 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 12:28:48am

re: #112 redc1c4

Nite Red. If you're still reading, you've got incoming.

116 Sharmuta  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 12:35:03am

re: #114 TheMatrix31

They're nutjob liberals, so nothing I'd wanna get involved with.

You're assuming that. There might be some conservatives. Besides- what's wrong with dating folks from the other side? It's not like you're marrying them.

117 Sharmuta  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 12:36:26am

Fake boobs are gross, Sleepy B.

118 TheMatrix31  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 12:36:48am

re: #116 Sharmuta

You're assuming that. There might be some conservatives. Besides- what's wrong with dating folks from the other side? It's not like you're marrying them.

Maybe, but I can pretty much tell from how they are and how they act in class. I know dating is for experience, but at the same time, I can't ever willingly get into a dating situation where I KNOW there's absolutely no future. Just not that type of guy at all.

119 leftover54  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 12:37:46am

re: #12 calcajun

What is a "Kenworth" ?

120 leftover54  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 12:38:39am

re: #118 TheMatrix31

The real fun of it is not using any lubrication...

121 leftover54  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 12:40:15am

re: #111 Slumbering Behemoth

Ah damn, its only a movie...

122 Ayeless in Ghazi  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 12:40:30am

My nic should link to a harmless South Park clip. But I've been finding lately that it's been linking to a rotating selection of wingnut blogs. (The latest one is a real horror) Anyone else having this problem?

123 leftover54  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 12:41:33am

re: #111

He's got hair on his back older then some California redwoods !

124 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 12:42:54am

re: #117 Sharmuta

Some are, some aren't. I figure which are which by feeling them out.
/ugh

Still, some do look nice, while others are, as you say, gross. Strangely, I am more grossed out by fake lips than I am fake boobs.

125 leftover54  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 12:45:21am

Agreed. i can't even watch a movie with Angelina Jolle (or whatever the hell her name is) for those lips - real or not.

126 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 12:45:40am

re: #121 leftover54

Hey now, no reason to hate on The Ron. Don't be jealous.

127 leftover54  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 12:46:29am

re: #126 Slumbering Behemoth

He's my equal, I'll give 'em that.

128 leftover54  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 12:48:22am

WTF ? Did the 'net just go down ? Maybe an alien abduction of all posters ?

Man, 4am, off to zzz...

129 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 12:49:02am

re: #127 leftover54

He's my equal, I'll give 'em that.

Sorry about your back hair. :)

130 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 12:50:48am

Man, you guyz are stepping it up. From the tame boob threads in the past to a pron thread.

131 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 12:54:13am

re: #130 Cannadian Club Akbar

I haven't even posted the link yet, nor mentioned the title of the film. Just you wait.

/'kay, I probably won't. So don't hold your breath, you could turn blue and pass out waiting for it.

132 freetoken  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 12:54:58am

4:31am Pacific time.

That is my prediction for the next great flounce downstairs.

BTW, I keep looking at the various Van Jones videos that I can find. I have yet to find something about which I must be afraid.

Yes, he believes that government spending is essential for economic recovery. Yes, he believes government interference in local affairs is necessary to address what has been called systemic racism or discrimination.

If you want to call this "socialism" then so be it... However, I maintain that the difference between the Obama administration and the previous one is more a matter of degree than that of basic theoretical differences. GWB, and most of the GOP establishment, were Keynsians and believed in spending money (by borrowing it) to achieve certain national goals.

133 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 12:55:34am

re: #131 Slumbering Behemoth

If I haven't turned blue yet, I'll be ok. DAMN IT!!!

134 leftover54  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 12:59:45am

re: #129 Slumbering Behemoth

LOL !!!

135 freetoken  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 12:59:48am

Wow, look what I found... Van Jones speaking at a meeting hosted by Harry Reid and attend by VP. Gore! Certainly an axis of evil if there ever was one:

/

136 TheMatrix31  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 1:02:32am

re: #135 freetoken

Wow, look what I found... Van Jones speaking at a meeting hosted by Harry Reid and attend by VP. Gore! Certainly an axis of evil if there ever was one:


[Video]/

They're all pieces of shit either way.

137 freetoken  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 1:04:54am

I wonder what LGF will be like in another 12 months...

138 Gus  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 1:04:55am

re: #132 freetoken

4:31am Pacific time.

That is my prediction for the next great flounce downstairs.

BTW, I keep looking at the various Van Jones videos that I can find. I have yet to find something about which I must be afraid.

Yes, he believes that government spending is essential for economic recovery. Yes, he believes government interference in local affairs is necessary to address what has been called systemic racism or discrimination.

If you want to call this "socialism" then so be it... However, I maintain that the difference between the Obama administration and the previous one is more a matter of degree than that of basic theoretical differences. GWB, and most of the GOP establishment, were Keynsians and believed in spending money (by borrowing it) to achieve certain national goals.

For an administration that was both marketed and now feared as being progressive they sure have taken a passive role regarding gay marriage and medical marijuana. I am reminded of this when I review the complaints or notes by others. I fail to see anything approaching radical in this administration.

The so called changes are moderate at best and generally encompass a traditional Democratic party role much of which is defined by Harry Reid or Nancy Pelosi. The radicalism of course has been in spending, a record deficit and coming regulatory changes. It is as you describe a matter of degree.

139 Sharmuta  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 1:06:29am

re: #132 freetoken

If you want to call this "socialism" then so be it... However, I maintain that the difference between the Obama administration and the previous one is more a matter of degree than that of basic theoretical differences. GWB, and most of the GOP establishment, were Keynsians and believed in spending money (by borrowing it) to achieve certain national goals.

I have to agree with this point, FT. This is why I've started calling "compassionate conservatives" "Socialist Christians". They were big spenders- nothing fiscally conservative about them at all except for tax cuts. Tax cuts alone does not make for fiscal conservatism.

140 Gus  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 1:06:47am

re: #137 freetoken

I wonder what LGF will be like in another 12 months...

A lot of anarcho-syndicalism requiring Jungian therapy. /

141 Joshua Cohen  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 1:06:54am

BTW: A guy managed to run UBUNTU 9.04 on his Kindle 2

Link

Now it becomes really useful because you could run so much stuff on it.
Even reading LGF with the thing using WiFi would be possible.

Not that I could buy a Kindle here...but nice to know.

142 TheMatrix31  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 1:08:38am

re: #137 freetoken

I wonder what LGF will be like in another 12 months...

I wonder what the USA will be like in another 12 months...

143 Joshua Cohen  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 1:09:57am

re: #142 TheMatrix31

I wonder what the USA will be like in another 12 months...

I wonder what the world will be like in another 12 months...

144 TheMatrix31  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 1:11:41am

re: #143 Joshua Cohen

I wonder what the world hopeandchangeland will be like in another 12 months...

145 Sharmuta  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 1:12:47am

re: #137 freetoken

I wonder what LGF will be like in another 12 months...

I predict spiffy upgrades, further meltdowns and flounces (and some will shock and sadden us), additional new Lizards who add their own anti-idiotarian flair to the place, and sock puppets.

146 Gus  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 1:13:23am

re: #142 TheMatrix31

I wonder what the USA will be like in another 12 months...

More or less the same. It's "been 8 months" and things are relatively stable: the economy still is in the tank.

147 Neutral President  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 1:13:25am

Ok I'm back...

This is the LNDT.

Needs moar movie quotes and music videos...

148 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 1:14:16am

re: #145 Sharmuta

How does one become a sock puppet? Get tossed then reregister?

149 TheMatrix31  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 1:17:02am

re: #146 Gus 802

More or less the same. It's "been 8 months" and things are relatively stable: the economy still is in the tank.

Eh.

150 Gus  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 1:17:47am

re: #145 Sharmuta

I predict spiffy upgrades, further meltdowns and flounces (and some will shock and sadden us), additional new Lizards who add their own anti-idiotarian flair to the place, and sock puppets.

Anti-idiotarianism is hard work.

151 BatGuano  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 1:19:41am

Good morning everyone. Is it just me or is LGF the most user friendly web site of its kind? Can anyone think of a site that has this many bells and whistles and yet is easy to use?

152 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 1:20:20am

re: #147 ArchangelMichael

153 TheMatrix31  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 1:21:10am

re: #151 BatGuano

Good morning everyone. Is it just me or is LGF the most user friendly web site of its kind? Can anyone think of a site that has this many bells and whistles and yet is easy to use?

Youporn.

154 Sharmuta  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 1:22:25am

re: #151 BatGuano

Good morning everyone. Is it just me or is LGF the most user friendly web site of its kind? Can anyone think of a site that has this many bells and whistles and yet is easy to use?

LGF should really win a best designed blog award.

155 BatGuano  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 1:22:31am

re: #153 TheMatrix31

Me? No me not. You!

156 freetoken  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 1:23:31am

re: #151 BatGuano

Charles has done a good job. I'm studying web design now, and I see that LGF has done many things "right" according to the experts.

However, there is still one tough item... the difference between web browsers. When I check LGF on a PC running IE, LGF doesn't look so pretty. However, on a Mac running Safari LGF looks elegant.

This is a tough issue because no webmaster can possibly fulfill the demands of all the browsers' interpretations of HTML (and the other standards.)

157 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 1:24:17am
158 Gus  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 1:24:39am

re: #154 Sharmuta

LGF should really win a best designed blog award.

It should. By the way. All of those problems I was having are gone so I guess it was a code malfunction.

159 freetoken  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 1:26:11am

re: #142 TheMatrix31

I wonder what the USA will be like in another 12 months...

Probably much like the last 12 months. The US is a large country and doesn't change quickly.

Speaking of which, I wonder what M33 will look like in another 12 billion years... apparently it is being gobbled up by M31 (see spin-offs.)

160 Gus  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 1:27:31am

Ugh, long drawn out flounce downstairs.

161 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 1:28:11am

re: #160 Gus 802

Ugh, long drawn out flounce downstairs.

number?

162 Gus  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 1:29:20am

re: #161 Cannadian Club Akbar

number?

Three years before Columbus discovered America.

163 TheMatrix31  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 1:29:35am

re: #159 freetoken

Probably much like the last 12 months. The US is a large country and doesn't change quickly.

HOPE and change though.

164 freetoken  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 1:29:55am

re: #160 Gus 802

It seems some people need a time-out.

165 BatGuano  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 1:30:05am

re: #154 Sharmuta

I'd like to check out the finalists. I'm not in the business but I'd like to compare LGF with a few comparables: I just can't find comparables.

166 BatGuano  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 1:31:34am

re: #156 freetoken

S Charles has done alright in that area.

167 Gus  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 1:33:35am

re: #164 freetoken

It seems some people need a time-out.

That might help but in some cases I'm not sure if they work in the long run for others.

169 Sharmuta  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 1:35:32am

re: #164 freetoken

It seems some people need a time-out.

Don't know if that would help, but it's up to Charles. However- the threat of getting banned isn't stopping this one from being abusive. Not a good indicator, imo. It's unfortunate to see when it's easier to scroll past folks you don't enjoy.

170 Sharmuta  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 1:38:05am

re: #156 freetoken

I agree LGF looks best in Safari, and Lizards using IE do not know what they're missing.

171 Neutral President  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 1:38:26am

re: #169 Sharmuta

Don't know if that would help, but it's up to Charles. However- the threat of getting banned isn't stopping this one from being abusive. Not a good indicator, imo. It's unfortunate to see when it's easier to scroll past folks you don't enjoy.

I'm starting to wish that there was an ignore button, even if it was only temporary, confined to a single thread. Push it and you don't see anyones comments in that thread.

172 Sharmuta  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 1:40:09am

re: #171 ArchangelMichael

I'm starting to wish that there was an ignore button, even if it was only temporary, confined to a single thread. Push it and you don't see anyones comments in that thread.

Folks have wanted an ignore feature here for a long time. It takes discipline to ignore the hard way. Maybe there's a lesson in that...?

173 Joshua Cohen  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 1:41:04am

re: #170 Sharmuta

I agree LGF looks best in Safari, and Lizards using IE do not know what they're missing.

I use Firefox, Iceweasel and right now Ephiphany depending on the computer in reach.
It does not look really different on all these.

174 Gus  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 1:41:11am

It's interesting. I'm watching a video regarding arson charges for the station fire in California. While many will always say that it's a liberal state, California has always been firm in filing criminal charges and the death penalty for most cases where it can apply.

175 TheMatrix31  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 1:42:51am

re: #174 Gus 802

It's interesting. I'm watching a video regarding arson charges for the station fire in California. While many will always say that it's a liberal state, California has always been firm in filing criminal charges and the death penalty for most cases where it can apply.

They shouldn't give that guy the death penalty. They should burn him limb from limb, starting with his nuts. Punk.

176 Sharmuta  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 1:45:58am

You missed another flounce mark, Freetoken.

177 Fenway_Nation  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 1:46:18am

Morning lizards...did I miss anything today?

178 freetoken  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 1:48:36am

re: #177 Fenway_Nation

Morning lizards...did I miss anything today?

No... nothing at all, just gooey, sticky messes downstairs ...

179 Neutral President  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 1:50:03am

Just as I suspected...

LGF looks exactly the same in Safari as it does in Chrome. Must be the same engine... WebKit?

180 TheMatrix31  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 1:51:19am

re: #177 Fenway_Nation

Morning lizards...did I miss anything today?

LoL will no longer be offering her fruitcup services :-/

181 Neutral President  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 1:53:59am

OK, if not an ignore feature, a private message one so we don't have to ask people to blue their nicks to do it... That would be nice, but I have a feeling like it's something Charles hasn't added for a reason.

182 Sharmuta  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 1:55:33am

re: #181 ArchangelMichael

OK, if not an ignore feature, a private message one so we don't have to ask people to blue their nicks to do it... That would be nice, but I have a feeling like it's something Charles hasn't added for a reason.

Actually- he recently said he was thinking of coding some kind of PM system.

183 Neutral President  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 1:57:04am

re: #182 Sharmuta

Actually- he recently said he was thinking of coding some kind of PM system.

If so, I'm all for it. I'll volunteer to help test it if needed.

184 BatGuano  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 2:00:30am

I still look at the time on my computer.. waiting for something.

185 Sharmuta  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 2:01:42am

{BatGuano}

186 Fenway_Nation  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 2:03:40am

re: #180 TheMatrix31


What is the lastest w/LoL, anyways? has anyone heard from her?

187 Neutral President  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 2:04:35am

re: #186 Fenway_Nation

Something bad happened.

188 BatGuano  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 2:04:41am

re: #185 Sharmuta

Thanks, Sharmuta. I am a sentimental old fool. :)

189 Sharmuta  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 2:04:42am

re: #186 Fenway_Nation

See #21...

190 Neutral President  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 2:05:19am

I think Butthead said this best, words I live by:

"I don't like stuff that sucks."

191 BARACK THE VOTE  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 2:06:25am

re: #178 freetoken

No... nothing at all, just gooey, sticky messes downstairs ...

It was a food fight.

Ain't a party til somethin' gets broke.

/st elmos fire.

192 freetoken  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 2:06:51am

re: #189 Sharmuta

I was surprised about that. While it became clear that she was not so tuned into the direction many of the posts/comments were heading here, I never took her as one who would visit a stalker blog.

193 BatGuano  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 2:08:09am

re: #191 iceweasel

"It was a food fight."

What was being slung was not food, Darlin'.

194 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 2:08:18am

re: #184 BatGuano

:sigh:

195 Sharmuta  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 2:08:54am

re: #192 freetoken

I don't know what to say. Last one I expected (other than myself). I really can't say much more- it's too difficult.

196 [deleted]  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 2:09:09am
197 Sharmuta  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 2:09:41am

GAZE

198 BARACK THE VOTE  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 2:10:57am

re: #171 ArchangelMichael

I'm starting to wish that there was an ignore button, even if it was only temporary, confined to a single thread. Push it and you don't see anyones comments in that thread.

there's a grease monkey script some filthy libs wrote that you can employ in FF so that certain comments show up saying nothing but "I like pie!" You input the name of the poster you want to avoid, and that's how their comments appear to you.

Bunch of readers of lib blogs use it to ignore certain posters. I don't know if it would work here-- I suspect not, because Charles' coding is so specific to the site. Funny, though!

199 TheMatrix31  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 2:11:23am

re: #188 BatGuano

Thanks, Sharmuta. I am a sentimental old fool. :)

So am I. And nostalgic like a mf'er.

200 Neutral President  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 2:11:52am

Trying to find a descent video of a particular song.

Every good quality one with the name actually spelled correctly (this annoys the shit out of me) has embedding disabled.

201 Sharmuta  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 2:12:37am

re: #200 ArchangelMichael

I hate that! Just link it the old way.

202 Fenway_Nation  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 2:13:16am

re: #189 Sharmuta


*sigh*...not what I wanted to hear, but thanks for the update nonetheles...

203 BatGuano  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 2:13:39am

re: #200 ArchangelMichael

I hate being disabled embed!

204 Sharmuta  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 2:13:54am

re: #202 Fenway_Nation

Sorry, Hon...

205 Sharmuta  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 2:14:34am

The woodwork is starting to crawl downstairs.

206 TheMatrix31  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 2:15:21am

I'm just trying to find what she said.

207 Neutral President  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 2:16:16am

re: #201 Sharmuta

Well this is good quality, but the title is misspelled by the average non-observant fucko who doesn't realize its a French word and doesn't mean what they think it means...

anyway...

Since we were talking about music to have sex to last night I think (I hope, otherwise I'm dreaming about LGF and need help), I offer this:

208 Sharmuta  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 2:17:31am

re: #207 ArchangelMichael

I missed out on a music for sex discussion last night? Bummer!

209 BARACK THE VOTE  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 2:19:28am

re: #196 JacksonTn

I have been I guess ... fighting my fight on the last thread ... I will tell you now that I stand behind every single thing I have ever said on this blog ... I am not ashamed

What is this, Cats? How many last performances are you going to have?

I think Keyboard cat deserves an encore too.

210 Neutral President  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 2:20:12am

re: #205 Sharmuta

The woodwork is starting to crawl downstairs.

Xenomorphs spreading a secreted resin and coming out of the walls.

211 Fenway_Nation  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 2:21:34am

re: #207 ArchangelMichael

Heh...when I was in grade school, I made sure to put Depeche Mode's Some Great Reward on my birthday/Christmas list so I wouldn't have to tape 'Master & Servant' off of the radio...

/took me another 5 years to figure out what the lyrics were implying

212 BARACK THE VOTE  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 2:25:08am

re: #193 BatGuano

"It was a food fight."

What was being slung was not food, Darlin'.

Yeah, it was poo. On both sides.

I lost my cool and I'll totally admit it. Wasn't so much that person and what it said, but a generalised explosion of rage at being told for 8 years that I was unamerican, unpatriotic, blah blah.
And the continual baiting and name calling and snide allegations got to me.

Last word on subject. Sorry for giving into my impulse to rage back.

And hi, Bat, honey. :)

213 Ayeless in Ghazi  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 2:25:21am

Poison

214 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 2:27:09am

re: #208 Sharmuta

I missed out on a music for sex discussion last night? Bummer!

You didn't miss anything. It was all about "this band", and "that song". Sex makes it's own music, far better than any dope slamming his/her junk into the back of a guitar.

/sure, some of the notes are kind of gross...

215 BatGuano  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 2:31:09am

re: #212 iceweasel

Hiya, Ice. I got into one those yesterday morning, lost my cool, said things I don't normally say. You're circumstances were different.

216 BARACK THE VOTE  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 2:31:17am

re: #213 Jimmah

Lol.

217 Neutral President  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 2:34:22am

re: #206 TheMatrix31

She's not using the Lol name over there as far as I could tell when I checked. I think I know who it is but I'm not 100% sure and not pointing any fingers. Not that it matters anyway.

218 Neutral President  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 2:35:01am

re: #216 iceweasel

Embedding disabled...


DAMN YOUSSS!!!

/shakes fist

219 Gus  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 2:35:58am

re: #62 freetoken

So, I'm still trying to figure out why I should be so afraid of Van Jones. After all, Beck, Malkin and others have clearly shown that he is some sort of beast (ahem...)

Here he is on the job from a little less than 3 months ago [large mp4]:

[Link: www.whitehouse.gov...]

Scary stuff... insulating your homes.

Malkin spent over half of the campaign calling McCain "McAmensty" and criticizing him to no end. The irony was that she was on his blog roll for a long time. Anne Coulter was also negative towards McCain saying she would "hold my nose" and vote for him or I think that she said she would rather vote for Hillary. Rush Limbaugh had nothing good to say about McCain. There was also a rather large contingent of naysayers around the country that still remain. And look at what they have now. They freak out even about what Obama puts on his tuna fish sandwich. Every little move Obama makes turns into a total freak-out. And that doesn't even cover the SCOTUS nominees. Meanwhile, these McCain critics are making more money then ever with Obama in the White House. They have no principles in the end.

220 BARACK THE VOTE  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 2:39:13am

re: #218 ArchangelMichael

Embedding disabled...

DAMN YOUSSS!!!

/shakes fist

Sorry. :( It's the dirty version, that's why.

221 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 2:42:48am

re: #216 iceweasel

No Ice! No! That is not just a sin, that is a grievous offense on the souls of all things, from Man to Flea, from Ant to Weed. Such an offense demands a Spiritual Cleanser.

A cleanser of the highest grade!

222 BatGuano  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 2:43:04am

re: #216 iceweasel

Ice! You libertine!

223 Gus  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 2:43:28am

re: #219 Gus 802

I forgot to mention the McCain-POW conspiracy kooks.

224 Neutral President  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 2:43:33am

re: #219 Gus 802

And of course, they (Rush, Anne Orexia, and the like) think they did no wrong. The only positive thing Rush did do was to rightly criticize Huckabee to no end. When he did, I thought maybe he was "getting it" and not saying so out loud for fear of being called a RINO himself, but apparently he doesn't get it.

The "we need to be even bigger kooks next time" meme is going strong.

Rush says "When Republicans run as conservatives they win!" Only part right.

When they run as fiscal conservatives they win. When they run as Christian socialists, after we were stuck with a President and a congress full of them for so long (who bullshitted us into thinking otherwise to get elected in the first place)... they will and should lose.

225 freetoken  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 2:44:30am

re: #219 Gus 802

Yup, they crucified McCain at every turn. The need to hate is too strong.

There are some probable answers. Addicts need to constantly up the stimulus to reach that feeling of a new experience.

I trace much of the current hot-air back to the James Carville scene. He and Rush Limbaugh fed off of each other's temperament and took the American populace for a ride.

226 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 2:44:40am

re: #221 Slumbering Behemoth

That is a great song(s).

227 freetoken  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 2:46:02am

re: #217 ArchangelMichael

Ok, so you tempted me to go over there and check. Sure enough, looking at last night's overnight thread there is a strong candidate.

If you are reading this LoL: I wish you well, but I think you made a big mistake making your bed with the people you did.

228 Ayeless in Ghazi  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 2:46:03am

Asian Dub Foundation - New Way New Life

229 Gus  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 2:47:02am

re: #224 ArchangelMichael

And of course, they (Rush, Anne Orexia, and the like) think they did no wrong. The only positive thing Rush did do was to rightly criticize Huckabee to no end. When he did, I thought maybe he was "getting it" and not saying so out loud for fear of being called a RINO himself, but apparently he doesn't get it.

The "we need to be even bigger kooks next time" meme is going strong.

Rush says "When Republicans run as conservatives they win!" Only part right.

When they run as fiscal conservatives they win. When they run as Christian socialists, after we were stuck with a President and a congress full of them for so long (who bullshitted us into thinking otherwise to get elected in the first place)... they will and should lose.

Right. Not only McCain. It was Giuliani "the liberal." Romney was criticized for not being a Christian but a Mormon from certain corners. Both of which were criticized for being "too liberal." From the GOP corner mind you.

230 BARACK THE VOTE  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 2:47:14am

re: #219 Gus 802

Meanwhile, these McCain critics are making more money then ever with Obama in the White House. They have no principles in the end.

Sure they do. One. The principle of manufacturing outrage and making big bucks.

A Dem POTUS is great for them. Much better than McCain would have been.

231 BatGuano  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 2:47:14am

re: #221 Slumbering Behemoth

I watched Don Kirshner every Saturday night in the previous century. Never missed, Rock Concert.

232 Gus  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 2:50:11am

re: #230 iceweasel

Sure they do. One. The principle of manufacturing outrage and making big bucks.

A Dem POTUS is great for them. Much better than McCain would have been.

No doubt. And as the Nielsen ratings that they're now so quick to point out prove. Including the revenue for News Corporation.

233 BARACK THE VOTE  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 2:52:00am

re: #228 Jimmah

Ladytron-- Mu Tron.

No reason other than that it gives good overnight thread...

234 haakondahl  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 2:52:07am

re: #231 BatGuano

I watched Don Kirshner every Saturday night in the previous century. Never missed, Rock Concert.

Have you heard him in Blue Oyster Cult's The Marshall Plan?

235 BatGuano  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 2:53:44am

re: #234 haakondahl

No. Not than I can remember.

236 Neutral President  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 2:54:02am

re: #229 Gus 802

As long as they aren't going to take away guns, push complete nationalized universal healthcare, project limp-wristed soft power at enemies who only respect signs of strength, raise taxes any higher than what they were before the Bush cuts, and spend/borrow us into oblivion... they aren't "too liberal" for me and shouldn't be for them.

237 Gus  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 2:54:30am

re: #225 freetoken

Yup, they crucified McCain at every turn. The need to hate is too strong.

There are some probable answers. Addicts need to constantly up the stimulus to reach that feeling of a new experience.

I trace much of the current hot-air back to the James Carville scene. He and Rush Limbaugh fed off of each other's temperament and took the American populace for a ride.

Speaking of hot air. Hot Air and Pajamas Media didn't help.

238 BARACK THE VOTE  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 2:55:07am

re: #222 BatGuano

Ice! You libertine!

Well, bat, you know us filthy libs -- or libertines-- and all...

A thousand martyrs I have made,
All sacrificed to my desire,
A thousand beauties have betray'd
That languish in resistless fire:
The untamed heart to hand I brought,
And fix'd the wild and wand'ring thought.

I never vow'd nor sigh'd in vain,
But both, tho' false, were well received;
The fair are pleased to give us pain,
And what they wish is soon believed:
And tho' I talk'd of wounds and smart,
Love's pleasures only touch'd my heart.

Alone the glory and the spoil
I always laughing bore away;
The triumphs without pain or toil,
Without the hell the heaven of joy;
And while I thus at random rove
Despise the fools that whine for love

239 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 2:55:12am

re: #235 BatGuano

No. Not than I can remember.

Can you remember the name of the live concerts on the radio on Saturday or Sunday nights? I wanna say they ran on Westwood One.

240 BatGuano  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 2:56:07am

re: #227 freetoken

I prefer to think of her as Havila in Fiddler on the roof.

241 TheMatrix31  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 2:58:07am

re: #236 ArchangelMichael

As long as they aren't going to take away guns, push complete nationalized universal healthcare, project limp-wristed soft power at enemies who only respect signs of strength, raise taxes any higher than what they were before the Bush cuts, and spend/borrow us into oblivion... they aren't "too liberal" for me and shouldn't be for them.

So basically, as long as theyre not Obama?

242 BatGuano  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 2:58:09am

re: #239 Cannadian Club Akbar

Can you remember the name of the live concerts on the radio on Saturday or Sunday nights? I wanna say they ran on Westwood One.

King Biscuit Flower hour comes to mind. I used to listen to that in the early/mid seventies.

243 BatGuano  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 2:58:40am

re: #242 BatGuano

But I was usually stoned.

244 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 2:59:15am

re: #242 BatGuano

King Biscuit Flower hour comes to mind. I used to listen to that in the early/mid seventies.

YES!!! Thank God, I can stop hitting my head on the desk now. Thanks, Bat.

245 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 2:59:42am

re: #226 Cannadian Club Akbar

It is in the cells of my flesh.

I am the world that hides the Universal Secret of all Time.
/And I abhor vacuums..

246 Ayeless in Ghazi  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 3:00:27am

re: #233 iceweasel

Ladytron-- Mu Tron.

No reason other than that it gives good overnight thread...

Nice! In a similar 'lo-fi' vein:

247 BatGuano  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 3:01:17am

re: #238 iceweasel

You know your Behn? . :)

248 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 3:01:39am

re: #245 Slumbering Behemoth

My neighbor and I grew up listening to Sabbath. His mom would make us go to church.

249 BatGuano  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 3:02:33am

re: #244 Cannadian Club Akbar

Glad I could help. That is what we superannuated lizards are for. :)

250 BatGuano  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 3:03:15am

re: #248 Cannadian Club Akbar

My neighbor and I grew up listening to Sabbath. His mom would make us go to church.

On the Sabbath?

251 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 3:05:48am

re: #250 BatGuano

On the Sabbath?

Sunday nights. They had youth groups telling you how evil music was. They showed the Rush 2112 cover (my first album) and that pissed me off.

252 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 3:07:10am

re: #248 Cannadian Club Akbar

I was told it would lead to demonic possession. I've had vinyl albums broken. Classic pressings.

So far, I have yet to projectile vomit, shoot lightening from my fingers, or raise a hand in anger against the innocent.

Silly fears make silly people do silly things. And conniving douche bags make loads of money from manipulating them.

253 MandyManners  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 3:08:56am

Illinois is one of the six states in which some school districts now refuse to allow FCBBHO to be beamed into the class rooms. Minnesota, Texas, Virginia and two others in addition to Illinois.

254 Fenway_Nation  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 3:09:04am

Is it just me or is every small town supposed to have an Ace Hardware and an IGA Market?

255 MandyManners  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 3:09:41am

re: #251 Cannadian Club Akbar

Sunday nights. They had youth groups telling you how evil music was. They showed the Rush 2112 cover (my first album) and that pissed me off.

Do you have a clip showing the 2112 album?

256 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 3:10:01am

re: #254 Fenway_Nation

Is it just me or is every small town supposed to have an Ace Hardware and an IGA Market?

Yes. And every small island community.

257 MandyManners  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 3:10:50am

re: #251 Cannadian Club Akbar

Sunday nights. They had youth groups telling you how evil music was. They showed the Rush 2112 cover (my first album) and that pissed me off.

I just found it on Wiki. I can see where that would upset a bunch of people.

258 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 3:11:07am

re: #255 MandyManners

Do you have a clip showing the 2112 album?

259 Neutral President  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 3:11:42am

re: #241 TheMatrix31

So basically, as long as theyre not Obama?

Well he might want to do all of the above of those things but he wont try to. He's not that dumb. So far he's only tried a couple and other than spending us into a supermassive blackhole, it's not working too well for him. Well maybe the soft power projection.

260 Fenway_Nation  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 3:12:03am

re: #253 MandyManners

So they're not going to be showing the broadcast in 0bama's home state of Kenya Indonesia Illinois?

//

261 MandyManners  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 3:12:18am

re: #252 Slumbering Behemoth

I was told it would lead to demonic possession. I've had vinyl albums broken. Classic pressings.

So far, I have yet to projectile vomit, shoot lightening from my fingers, or raise a hand in anger against the innocent.

Silly fears make silly people do silly things. And conniving douche bags make loads of money from manipulating them.

Does your head spin around?

262 BatGuano  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 3:12:57am

re: #254 Fenway_Nation

Is it just me or is every small town supposed to have an Ace Hardware and an IGA Market?

Well we got Ace Hardware in California, but the only IGA's I am aware of are east of the Mississippi. When I was young we used to shop at the IGA in Ohio.

263 MandyManners  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 3:13:00am

re: #260 Fenway_Nation

So they're not going to be showing the broadcast in 0bama's home state of Kenya Indonesia Illinois?

//

It's not the entire state. Some school districts won't show it.

264 MandyManners  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 3:14:12am

re: #258 Cannadian Club Akbar

Oh, great! Music for my morning!

265 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 3:14:25am

re: #263 MandyManners

It's not the entire state. Some school districts won't show it.

Where I live students can opt out.

266 MandyManners  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 3:14:44am

re: #262 BatGuano

Well we got Ace Hardware in California, but the only IGA's I am aware of are east of the Mississippi. When I was young we used to shop at the IGA in Ohio.

Did you have a Piggly Wiggly?

267 Neutral President  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 3:14:45am

re: #261 MandyManners

Does your head spin around?

That's much too vulgar a display of power...

268 MandyManners  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 3:15:35am

re: #265 Cannadian Club Akbar

Where I live students can opt out.

I'd hate to see the stink if a school told parents that they could not remove their kids. Some would go bat-poo crazy.

269 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 3:15:45am

re: #267 ArchangelMichael

That's much too vulgar a display of power...

Not when you are looking for a parking spot at the mall.

270 BatGuano  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 3:16:25am

re: #253 MandyManners

NoBama! They are supposed to realease the text of his address the day before. I'll give it a pass unless it is encouraging children to "help him", or other nonsense.

271 Fenway_Nation  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 3:16:29am

re: #262 BatGuano


IIRC, I think some of the Hispanic markets out west are affiliated w/IGA.

/Bet they never saw that demographic coming when IGA 1st set up shop

272 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 3:16:52am

re: #252 Slumbering Behemoth

Once again, I feel I must quote Stan Marsh...

"The big questions in life are tough: Why are we here? Where are we from? Where are we going? But if people believe in asshole douchey liars like you, we're never gonna find the real answers to those questions. You aren't just lying, you're slowing down the progress of all mankind, you douche!"

The opposition to Heavy Metal music in the '80s (and Rock 'n Roll and/or Blues in general since it's inception) has been largely hysterical and so trooferistic as to be a pathetic joke.

And still, in some ways, that sad joke lives on in the hearts of people who want to believe it to be troof.

273 MandyManners  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 3:16:53am

re: #267 ArchangelMichael

That's much too vulgar a display of power...

I would link Sympathy for the Devil but it gives me the creeps at times.

274 Gus  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 3:16:57am

Sleepy time has come. Later.

We'll survive, always have. All of us.

275 BatGuano  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 3:18:06am

re: #266 MandyManners

Did you have a Piggly Wiggly?

When I lived in Oklahoma and Texas, yes. Always freaked me out for some reason.

276 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 3:18:13am

re: #261 MandyManners

Does your head spin around?

Only when you look at in that way.

277 MandyManners  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 3:18:20am

re: #270 BatGuano

NoBama! They are supposed to realease the text of his address the day before. I'll give it a pass unless it is encouraging children to "help him", or other nonsense.

The original plan called for that and similar messages. Put some sand in my shorts even though The Kid's private school wouldn't be showing it.

278 MandyManners  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 3:19:32am

re: #275 BatGuano

When I lived in Oklahoma and Texas, yes. Always freaked me out for some reason.

Was it the giant picture of a pig?

279 MandyManners  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 3:20:07am

re: #276 Slumbering Behemoth

Only when you look at in that way.

Dramamine.

280 BatGuano  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 3:20:30am

re: #278 MandyManners

Was it the giant picture of a pig?

Indeed! A freaky naked pink pig. Gave me the willys

281 Fenway_Nation  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 3:21:29am

re: #277 MandyManners

Even if I was the biggest 0bama cheerleader, that would make me pause and say something along the lines of 'Give it a rest already; you're on the TV every damn day as it iss...'

282 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 3:22:02am

re: #267 ArchangelMichael

That's much too vulgar a display of power...

R U in mai forkin haed!

283 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 3:22:54am

re: #282 Slumbering Behemoth

R U in mai forkin haed!

Now you're talkin'.

284 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 3:24:09am

re: #282 Slumbering Behemoth

WTF? The audio in that clip is wacked. Disregard.

285 MandyManners  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 3:25:13am

re: #280 BatGuano

Indeed! A freaky naked pink pig. Gave me the willys

We had one where I grew up. I think it's gone now.

286 MandyManners  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 3:25:47am

re: #281 Fenway_Nation

Even if I was the biggest 0bama cheerleader, that would make me pause and say something along the lines of 'Give it a rest already; you're on the TV every damn day as it iss...'

He's a big, throbbing naricssist.

287 Fenway_Nation  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 3:25:51am

re: #280 BatGuano

Back east, we had Price Chopper markets in Western Mass and Upstate NY. For the longest time, I thought that was an image of a rudimentary helicopter that was their logo. Turns out it was an axe...handle and all...chopping up a coin.

288 BatGuano  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 3:25:53am

re: #284 Slumbering Behemoth

Mines fine. I haven't thought of Pantera in 25 years.

289 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 3:26:14am

re: #282 Slumbering Behemoth

Here is a band you prolly never heard of. My friend was the drummer.

290 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 3:26:39am

re: #279 MandyManners

:( PIMF

Only when you are looking at me in that way.

/way to fuck up a lame joke, Behemoth. Geez!

291 MandyManners  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 3:27:43am

re: #290 Slumbering Behemoth

:( PIMF

Only when you are looking at me in that way.

/way to fuck up a lame joke, Behemoth. Geez!

I got it.

292 MandyManners  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 3:29:07am

Linda Chavez is on Fox, ripping Rangel a new one over this unethical behavior. She said he'd given campaign money to some of those charged with investigating such ethic complaints.

293 MandyManners  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 3:29:24am

this=his

294 BatGuano  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 3:30:05am

re: #287 Fenway_Nation

It is amazing what kids can see in things.I used to wonder how the guy in the Hertz commercials flew into the convertible.

295 TheMatrix31  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 3:32:28am

re: #270 BatGuano

NoBama! They are supposed to realease the text of his address the day before. I'll give it a pass unless it is encouraging children to "help him", or other nonsense.

Still going to make sure my little bro and sis do not have to listen to it. We'll see what happens when my parents come home from Vegas tomorrow.

296 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 3:33:47am

re: #289 Cannadian Club Akbar

The audio highly distorted, but what comes through sounds pretty cool.

297 BatGuano  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 3:35:08am

re: #294 BatGuano

Where do your parents com down on the Obama thing?

298 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 3:35:35am

re: #296 Slumbering Behemoth

The audio highly distorted, but what comes through sounds pretty cool.

Last I knew he was an assistant program director at a local Clear Channel station. Also, he was in his last year of HS in the video.

299 Neutral President  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 3:35:43am

re: #294 BatGuano

Wasn't that OJ?

300 aboo-Hoo-Hoo  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 3:37:12am

U.S. May Not Recognize Results of Honduran Vote but remains committed to seeking and developing normalized relations with the worlds largest state sponsor of terrorism, a repressive theocracy...oh, fook it.

Mornin folks, we must be having fun now.

301 Joshua Cohen  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 3:37:43am

Somethig about Theodore Roosevelt

"For most Americans, when the president comes to town they dress up in their best red, white and blue, wave a miniature stars and stripes and hope the most powerful leader in the western world will give 'em a smile.

But in 1903, one little girl--perhaps the most awesome little girl ever born--decided to throw a badger.

That's not a metaphor. She threw an actual badger at President Theodore Roosevelt. On one hand, you wonder how she survived the encounter--this was Teddy Roosevelt, after all. Then again, you realize that in Roosevelt's world, a thrown badger was probably a common form of greeting."

With regards to [Link: www.cracked.com...]

302 MandyManners  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 3:38:55am

re: #301 Joshua Cohen

Somethig about Theodore Roosevelt

"For most Americans, when the president comes to town they dress up in their best red, white and blue, wave a miniature stars and stripes and hope the most powerful leader in the western world will give 'em a smile.

But in 1903, one little girl--perhaps the most awesome little girl ever born--decided to throw a badger.

That's not a metaphor. She threw an actual badger at President Theodore Roosevelt. On one hand, you wonder how she survived the encounter--this was Teddy Roosevelt, after all. Then again, you realize that in Roosevelt's world, a thrown badger was probably a common form of greeting."

With regards to [Link:

303 BatGuano  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 3:39:12am

re: #299 ArchangelMichael

Wasn't that OJ?

No, you ninny! OJ ran through an airport this was a guy kind of being dropped into the seat of a convertible as it was proceeding driver less down the freeway.
And the driver was never charged with hacking his ex-wife to death.

304 TheMatrix31  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 3:39:33am

re: #297 BatGuano

Where do your parents com down on the Obama thing?

You quoted yourself. Did you mean to quote me?

305 haakondahl  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 3:40:14am

re: #170 Sharmuta

I agree LGF looks best in Safari, and Lizards using IE do not know what they're missing.

In fact, Safari cleans up logical fallacies. You will win more arguments if you use Safari 4.0.

306 MandyManners  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 3:40:32am

re: #301 Joshua Cohen

Somethig about Theodore Roosevelt

"For most Americans, when the president comes to town they dress up in their best red, white and blue, wave a miniature stars and stripes and hope the most powerful leader in the western world will give 'em a smile.

But in 1903, one little girl--perhaps the most awesome little girl ever born--decided to throw a badger.

That's not a metaphor. She threw an actual badger at President Theodore Roosevelt. On one hand, you wonder how she survived the encounter--this was Teddy Roosevelt, after all. Then again, you realize that in Roosevelt's world, a thrown badger was probably a common form of greeting."

With regards to [Link:

307 MandyManners  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 3:40:54am

re: #304 TheMatrix31

You quoted yourself. Did you mean to quote me?

IN BED.

308 MandyManners  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 3:41:34am
309 TheMatrix31  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 3:41:40am

re: #307 MandyManners

IN BED.

You're right. I AM in bed. And have the house to myself!

310 BatGuano  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 3:42:10am

re: #304 TheMatrix31

Yes, my young friend. It is late and I am addled. But you figured out the question. :)

311 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 3:43:31am

re: #301 Joshua Cohen

Never had a badger thrown my way. Have had beavers thrown at me, though.
/

312 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 3:43:35am

re: #298 Cannadian Club Akbar

If you like The Metal, you might dig this:

Heavy Metal in Baghdad

A documentary about a group of young dudes trying to do their thing, pounding skins and thrashing strings, in Iraq, relating their experiences.

Not overtly political, but they do have a bias to their perspective that comes from their situation.

313 Crux Australis  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 3:43:44am

It's been a long time since I visited LGF.

How is everyone?

Looks like Obama is turning out worse than expected.

Does my fellow Aussie Aussiemagpie still post here?

Just catching up.

314 TheMatrix31  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 3:44:40am

re: #310 BatGuano

Yes, my young friend. It is late and I am addled. But you figured out the question. :)

They don't like him. We're a purely conservative household.

315 MandyManners  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 3:46:05am

I could just freakin' scream. The Kid decided yesterday to use my heavy whipping cream in his cereal and I forgot to pick up some up yesterday so I'm having to use milk in my coffee. Ickee. Ewsee.

316 MandyManners  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 3:47:07am

re: #313 Crux Australis

It's been a long time since I visited LGF.

How is everyone?

Looks like Obama is turning out worse than expected.

Does my fellow Aussie Aussiemagpie still post here?

Just catching up.

Howdy!

I've not seen her around for a while. Did you check her out in the search function?

317 BlueCanuck  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 3:47:33am

re: #315 MandyManners

EEEwww, heavy whipping cream for coffee? Doesn't that leave a furry coating on your tongue?

318 MandyManners  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 3:47:37am

re: #316 MandyManners

Howdy!

I've not seen her around for a while. Did you check her out in the search function?

Type in: nic:user.

319 haakondahl  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 3:47:41am

Re: Charles' earlier mention that traffic is way up these days. Townhall.com and Powerlineblog.com also say that their traffic is way up.

Cool!

320 BatGuano  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 3:47:48am

re: #308 MandyManners

Badgers are the most vicious creatures on earf. I saw a lion on the tv chase one into a whole, then she put her nose in the hole. It was teeth and claws on her snout and she ran away. 350lb. lion, 15 lb badger: No contest.

321 MandyManners  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 3:47:58am

re: #317 BlueCanuck

EEEwww, heavy whipping cream for coffee? Doesn't that leave a furry coating on your tongue?

And, your point?

322 MandyManners  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 3:48:46am

re: #320 BatGuano

Badgers are the most vicious creatures on earf. I saw a lion on the tv chase one into a whole, then she put her nose in the hole. It was teeth and claws on her snout and she ran away. 350lb. lion, 15 lb badger: No contest.

Any kin to hedge hogs or wolverines?

323 BatGuano  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 3:49:05am

re: #314 TheMatrix31

You are twice blessed. I was raised by Roosevelt Democrats.

324 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 3:49:06am

re: #301 Joshua Cohen

The fellers at Cracked love the fork out of Teddy:

Yes, despite their fearsome faces, piranhas are just scavengers, going after the weak and sick and destroying them. If you're wondering, technically, in cases of extreme drought, schools of piranhas can turn into those swarms of pointy teeth we've all heard about. But (and this is a big but) every animal faced with starvation will do the same thing. In Roosevelt's case, the group of piranhas was much larger than an average school and the Brazilians intentionally starved them.

Also, like all animals, piranhas are inherently predisposed to want to impress Roosevelt. You may act all above piranhas, but if Teddy Roosevelt walked into your house, you'd eat the shit out of a live cow if you thought it might make the big guy smile.

325 BlueCanuck  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 3:49:26am

re: #321 MandyManners

And, your point?

No point, just an observation. Anything heavier then 10% is too much for me. Usually go with 2% milk in my coffees on average. :)

/then again, not much of a milk guy to begin with.

326 BatGuano  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 3:50:14am

re: #322 MandyManners

They are related to wolverines, but I think hedge hogs are more kin to porcupines.

327 BlueCanuck  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 3:51:28am

re: #322 MandyManners

Any kin to hedge hogs or wolverines?

Badgers are kin of wolverines, which are also kin to weasels...

328 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 3:51:33am

re: #321 MandyManners

OMG! Be still my beating... um.. heart.
/

329 TheMatrix31  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 3:51:54am

re: #323 BatGuano

You are twice blessed. I was raised by Roosevelt Democrats.

But I mean, they don't know much. I carry the political weight in the house. Since my parents weren't born here, it's hard to get them to think rationally about a few things. I often have to correct them so they don't interject the "old country mentality".

The only loonies in my extended family are my (apparently recently, his story would make this make no sense btw) my uncle and his wife.

330 Spare O'Lake  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 3:51:54am

Good Morning LGF.
According to media reports, the shrewd yet unprincipled President Obama, in his typical modus operandi, has already substantially changed his speech to the little kids in direct response to the legitimate criticisms and warnings from parents and politicians.
This will almost certainly ensure that Charles' forecast of a "right down the middle" speech will turn out to be 100% correct.

331 MandyManners  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 3:51:55am

re: #325 BlueCanuck

No point, just an observation. Anything heavier then 10% is too much for me. Usually go with 2% milk in my coffees on average. :)

/then again, not much of a milk guy to begin with.

Sorry if I came across as snippy. Got sand in my shorts over this milk. I shouldn't take it out on folks here.

332 MandyManners  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 3:52:50am

re: #326 BatGuano

They are related to wolverines, but I think hedge hogs are more kin to porcupines.

re: #327 BlueCanuck

Badgers are kin of wolverines, which are also kin to weasels...

Almost GMTA.

333 MandyManners  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 3:53:23am

re: #328 Slumbering Behemoth

OMG! Be still my beating... um.. heart.
/

?

334 BlueCanuck  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 3:54:22am

re: #332 MandyManners

I had to look up citations and family history. :)

/did know that wolverines were part of weasel family,was unsure of badgers.

335 MandyManners  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 3:54:24am

re: #330 Spare O'Lake

Good Morning LGF.
According to media reports, the shrewd yet unprincipled President Obama, in his typical modus operandi, has already substantially changed his speech to the little kids in direct response to the legitimate criticisms and warnings from parents and politicians.
This will almost certainly ensure that Charles' forecast of a "right down the middle" speech will turn out to be 100% correct.

Pushing back works.

336 BatGuano  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 3:54:50am

re: #329 TheMatrix31

Matrix, I'm glad your parents made it to this country. I see a little hope for the future. :)

337 MandyManners  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 3:55:00am

re: #334 BlueCanuck

I had to look up citations and family history. :)

/did know that wolverines were part of weasel family,was unsure of badgers.

Badgers? We don't knead no stinking badgers.

338 Crux Australis  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 3:55:03am

looks like aussiemagpie disappeared shortly after my last post here (May 22 this year). hope she is OK.

thanks

339 MandyManners  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 3:55:14am

*sigh*

340 Spare O'Lake  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 3:55:47am

re: #315 MandyManners

I could just freakin' scream. The Kid decided yesterday to use my heavy whipping cream in his cereal and I forgot to pick up some up yesterday so I'm having to use milk in my coffee. Ickee. Ewsee.

Try adding a shot of Bailey's (purely for the colour and thickening, of course).

341 MandyManners  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 3:55:56am

re: #338 Crux Australis

What's been going on Down Under?

342 TheMatrix31  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 3:56:18am

re: #330 Spare O'Lake

Good Morning LGF.
According to media reports, the shrewd yet unprincipled President Obama, in his typical modus operandi, has already substantially changed his speech to the little kids in direct response to the legitimate criticisms and warnings from parents and politicians.
This will almost certainly ensure that Charles' forecast of a "right down the middle" speech will turn out to be 100% correct.

Hmm...wonder what's left in it.

Hope, change, progress, 8 years, etc

343 BlueCanuck  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 3:56:19am

re: #337 MandyManners

Badgers? We don't knead no stinking badgers.

heh heh heh.

/turtles are natures suction cups...

344 MandyManners  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 3:56:31am

re: #340 Spare O'Lake

Try adding a shot of Bailey's (purely for the colour and thickening, of course).

*shudder* My last exposure to Bailey's did not end well. Oh, college.

345 SasquatchOnSteroids  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 3:56:49am

re: #335 MandyManners

Pushing back works.

In Bed.

346 MandyManners  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 3:57:04am

re: #343 BlueCanuck

heh heh heh.

/turtles are natures suction cups...

They stick to windows?

347 MandyManners  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 3:57:31am

re: #345 SasquatchOnSteroids

In Bed.

YOU WIN!

348 BatGuano  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 3:57:42am

re: #332 MandyManners

The fox has many tricks;the hedge hog, one good one.

349 Fenway_Nation  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 3:58:47am

Cult of Personality
Living Colour
(V Reid, C. Glover, W. Calhoun, M. Skillings)

Look into my eyes, what do you see?
Cult of Personality
I know your anger, I know your dreams
I've been everything you want to be
I'm the Cult of Personality
Like Mussolini and Kennedy
I'm the Cult of Personality
Cult of Personality
Cult of Personality

Neon lights, A Nobel Price
The mirror speaks, the reflection lies
You don't have to follow me
Only you can set me free
I sell the things you need to be
I'm the smiling face on your T.V.
I'm the Cult of Personality
I exploit you still you love me

I tell you one and one makes three
I'm the Cult of Personality
Like Joseph Stalin and Gandhi
I'm the Cult of Personality
Cult of Personality
Cult of Personality

Neon lights a Nobel Prize
A leader speaks, that leader dies
You don't have to follow me
Only you can set you free

You gave me fortune
You gave me fame
You me power in your God's name
I'm every person you need to be
I'm in the Cult of...
I'm (in the Cult of)
in (in the Cult of)
the (in the Cult of)
Cult (in the Cult of)
of (in the Cult of)
Personality

Living Colour- Cult of Personality

© 1988 Sony Music Entertainment

350 BlueCanuck  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 3:58:50am

re: #346 MandyManners

They stick to windows?

You haven't seen "UHF" with Weird Al? Badgers line was in the movie, and the turtle line was from the same guy. Funny movie.

351 haakondahl  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 3:58:53am

re: #330 Spare O'Lake

Good Morning LGF.
According to media reports, the shrewd yet unprincipled President Obama, in his typical modus operandi, has already substantially changed his speech to the little kids in direct response to the legitimate criticisms and warnings from parents and politicians.
This will almost certainly ensure that Charles' forecast of a "right down the middle" speech will turn out to be 100% correct.

Yup.

352 Joshua Cohen  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 3:59:01am

Just imagine a badger thrown on a health care protest...how many fingers this could cost, or worse!

By the way, I am not suggesting this!

353 SasquatchOnSteroids  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 3:59:13am

Stimulus Funds Go to Company Under Cloud

The company’s legal troubles have continued this year with a separate investigation by the F.B.I., federal prosecutors in Brooklyn and the Manhattan district attorney’s office, which also investigated the Deutsche Bank fire. It centers on accusations of overbilling, bribery of union officials and other alleged improprieties on several large New York projects./blockquote>

354 Spare O'Lake  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 4:00:02am

re: #344 MandyManners

*shudder* My last exposure to Bailey's did not end well. Oh, college.

Heh. I suggested a shot, not the whole fifth, ya crazy co-ed!

355 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 4:00:26am

re: #1 Sharmuta

Where ever you go, there you are.

There are two types of people in this world;
One is the person who walks into a room and says "Here I am!".
The other is the person who walks into a room and says "There you are!"

356 SixDegrees  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 4:00:42am

re: #20 Slumbering Behemoth

Hi. My name is The Behemoth, and I am a recovering fan of Buckaroo Banzai.
/I also love Big Trouble in Little China

Heh.

"That's the black blood of the earth."

"Oil...you mean oil, right, Chang?"

"No! I mean black blood of the earth!"

Great flick.

357 Crux Australis  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 4:00:43am

spring has spring, at least the chill in the air is gone

looks like Obama is doing a worse job in the US than Rudd is doing in Australia.

At least Australia has avoided a "technical" recession and unemployment is not a bad as expected. maybe we were lucky to have John Howard as Prime Minister when we did.

359 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 4:02:21am

re: #349 Fenway_Nation

Such a cool song.

360 MandyManners  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 4:03:17am

re: #348 BatGuano

The fox has many tricks;the hedge hog, one good one.

Whenever I hear of a hedge hog, this song comes to mind.


361 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 4:03:46am

re: #333 MandyManners

Another lame joke on my part. My come-dia-tron is way out of whack tonight. I've been lobbing nothing but stinkers and sinkers tonight.

362 MandyManners  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 4:03:48am

re: #350 BlueCanuck

You haven't seen "UHF" with Weird Al? Badgers line was in the movie, and the turtle line was from the same guy. Funny movie.

I've not seen that.

363 SasquatchOnSteroids  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 4:03:51am

re: #347 MandyManners

YOU WIN!

I never win anything. Well, I dunked a clown at a fair and shut him up one time...

364 MandyManners  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 4:04:15am

re: #352 Joshua Cohen

Just imagine a badger thrown on a health care protest...how many fingers this could cost, or worse!

By the way, I am not suggesting this!

FREE THE BADGERS!

365 MandyManners  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 4:04:45am

re: #354 Spare O'Lake

Heh. I suggested a shot, not the whole fifth, ya crazy co-ed!

IIRC, the night also involved some Finlandia.

366 BatGuano  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 4:04:51am

re: #360 MandyManners

If there's a bustle in you hedge hog?

367 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 4:04:55am

re: #363 SasquatchOnSteroids

I never win anything. Well, I dunked a clown at a fair and shut him up one time...

If it is the clown I'm thinking of, he is funny. Rude, but funny.

368 Fenway_Nation  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 4:05:15am

re: #359 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Didn't give that song too much thought until I heard about 0bama's planned broadcast to the students next week.

369 SixDegrees  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 4:05:40am

re: #292 MandyManners

Linda Chavez is on Fox, ripping Rangel a new one over this unethical behavior. She said he'd given campaign money to some of those charged with investigating such ethic complaints.

Good to hear. This is a totally worthwhile avenue for the GOP to exploit, and someone needs to be putting pressure on the investigative committee charged with getting to the bottom of what Rangel did. They've been footdragging month after month after month, with no resolution in sight, obviously hoping to put off any findings until after the 2010 elections if they ever release any at all.

370 MandyManners  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 4:05:47am

re: #357 Crux Australis

spring has spring, at least the chill in the air is gone

looks like Obama is doing a worse job in the US than Rudd is doing in Australia.

At least Australia has avoided a "technical" recession and unemployment is not a bad as expected. maybe we were lucky to have John Howard as Prime Minister when we did.

Most of the US is having a very cool summer, especially lately. I'm hoping we'll have an Indian Summer, though.

371 MandyManners  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 4:06:34am

re: #360 MandyManners

Whenever I hear of a hedge hog, this song comes to mind.

How does one get a bustle in one's hedgerow, any way?

372 MandyManners  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 4:06:54am

re: #361 Slumbering Behemoth

Another lame joke on my part. My come-dia-tron is way out of whack tonight. I've been lobbing nothing but stinkers and sinkers tonight.

(((Behemoth)))

373 haakondahl  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 4:06:57am

re: #371 MandyManners

How does one get a bustle in one's hedgerow, any way?

Come over here.

374 MandyManners  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 4:07:33am

re: #363 SasquatchOnSteroids

I never win anything. Well, I dunked a clown at a fair and shut him up one time...

You violent clown-abuser, you!

375 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 4:07:55am

G'nite Lizards. If you're of a mind, throw up some horns for those headbangers in Iraq.

Later.

376 MandyManners  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 4:08:04am

re: #366 BatGuano

If there's a bustle in you hedge hog?

I'd rather see one on a hedge hog.

Any volunteers?

377 Crux Australis  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 4:08:38am

anyways thank you all as again I return again to lurk mode

378 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 4:08:39am

re: #354 Spare O'Lake

Heh. I suggested a shot, not the whole fifth, ya crazy co-ed!

heh

379 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 4:08:59am

bbiab..

380 MandyManners  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 4:09:06am

re: #369 SixDegrees

Good to hear. This is a totally worthwhile avenue for the GOP to exploit, and someone needs to be putting pressure on the investigative committee charged with getting to the bottom of what Rangel did. They've been footdragging month after month after month, with no resolution in sight, obviously hoping to put off any findings until after the 2010 elections if they ever release any at all.

Yes, this is a very worthwhile avenue but, is it "sexy"?

381 MandyManners  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 4:09:49am

re: #373 haakondahl

Come over here.

Ummm...*runs screaming*

382 SixDegrees  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 4:10:19am

re: #380 MandyManners

Yes, this is a very worthwhile avenue but, is it "sexy"?

Rangel...sexy...

Excuse me while I go apply the melon scoop to my brain.

383 MandyManners  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 4:10:49am

re: #377 Crux Australis

anyways thank you all as again I return again to lurk mode

I might be mistaken but, didn't you once have a different avatar?

384 MandyManners  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 4:11:32am

re: #382 SixDegrees

Rangel...sexy...

Excuse me while I go apply the melon scoop to my brain.

HA!

I meant, is it likely to get people stirred up?

385 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 4:11:43am

re: #354 Spare O'Lake

Heh. I suggested a shot, not the whole fifth, ya crazy co-ed!

What I meant to post...

386 aboo-Hoo-Hoo  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 4:12:02am

CIA Asks Justice to Probe Leaks of Secrets

A 'top secret' document obtained by XYZnews...

/just kidding - until later in the day.

387 BlueCanuck  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 4:12:12am

re: #362 MandyManners

I've not seen that.

Rent it. It's like a weird al song on film. Makes perfect sense. Also has Kramer before Seinfeld. You will laugh till you cry.

Any way off to the salt mine, see you folks in about an hour or so...

388 BatGuano  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 4:12:40am

Jimmy page.

389 MandyManners  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 4:13:41am

re: #387 BlueCanuck

Rent it. It's like a weird al song on film. Makes perfect sense. Also has Kramer before Seinfeld. You will laugh till you cry.

Any way off to the salt mine, see you folks in about an hour or so...

No pepper mines?

390 [deleted]  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 4:14:21am
391 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 4:14:25am

re: #389 MandyManners

Pepper mill...

392 MandyManners  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 4:15:34am

Remember when The Kid fucked up my e-mail by sending a bunch to my spam folder in order to keep me from getting any messages from his teachers/principal? Well, in my efforts to get things worked out, I screwed up and readmitted a bunch of spam. My box now has 79 messages. From Viagra to Nigeria.

393 TheMatrix31  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 4:15:51am

Letterman made a "joke" last night about talk about the GOP ticket in 2012.

Throws in that he'll be happy about this, then says "Cheney/Palin". Then he goes "Oh, boy, the comedy recession is over!"

Political policy-wise, I would kill for that ticket.

And hey asshole, the comedy recession for you will never go away, because you haven't been funny in 20 fucking years. Oh, and you COULD make jokes about Obama & Co, you just don't want to get slammed by morons who will call you a racist for doing so.

STFU and get off TV already.

394 MandyManners  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 4:16:04am

re: #391 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Pepper mill...

Oh, good one.

Where does pepper come from?

395 [deleted]  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 4:16:10am
396 SasquatchOnSteroids  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 4:16:12am

VJ in his own words

What the Green movement is all about.

397 SixDegrees  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 4:17:26am

re: #384 MandyManners

HA!

I meant, is it likely to get people stirred up?

A little. Rangel is a pretty big fish when it comes to seniority. And if it turns out that members of the committee took "campaign contributions" from Rangel - or, to be more blunt, took bribes from the man they're supposed to be investigating - things could spread even further.

Comparisons with 0's statements about having the Most Ethical Government Ever are inevitable, especially if even the investigators turn out to be corrupt.

398 BatGuano  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 4:18:24am

re: #393 TheMatrix31

Crap! You're not 21. You sound like me.

399 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 4:18:52am

re: #392 MandyManners

I first read "Niagara". Was wondering when Niagara Falls began spamming folks.

400 MandyManners  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 4:19:36am

re: #396 SasquatchOnSteroids

VJ in his own words

What the Green movement is all about.

Maybe we could get Avery Brooks to play him in the movie.

401 [deleted]  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 4:20:13am
402 MandyManners  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 4:20:25am

re: #397 SixDegrees

A little. Rangel is a pretty big fish when it comes to seniority. And if it turns out that members of the committee took "campaign contributions" from Rangel - or, to be more blunt, took bribes from the man they're supposed to be investigating - things could spread even further.

Comparisons with 0's statements about having the Most Ethical Government Ever are inevitable, especially if even the investigators turn out to be corrupt.

Would the MFM just do a giant yawn?

403 MandyManners  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 4:21:10am

re: #399 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I first read "Niagara". Was wondering when Niagara Falls began spamming folks.

That would flood many in-boxes.

404 SasquatchOnSteroids  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 4:21:56am

re: #400 MandyManners

Damn good match.

405 MandyManners  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 4:22:31am

Oh, great. FCBBHO is gonna' take up more air time for a speech to Congress about heath-care insurance "reform" next week.

406 [deleted]  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 4:22:33am
407 SixDegrees  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 4:22:37am

re: #402 MandyManners

Would the MFM just do a giant yawn?

They won't ignore a takedown of someone of Rangel's stature, or of widespread corruption within an investigative committee.

They may not have the same zeal for it as they do when Republicans are involved, but scandals sell papers and draw eyeballs; they're still the media's bread and butter, no matter who commits them.

408 MandyManners  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 4:22:53am

re: #404 SasquatchOnSteroids

Damn good match.

Jones is better looking.

409 haakondahl  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 4:23:38am

re: #395 taxfreekiller

On the R's, its best "We the People" lead, if we allow them to lead they are likely to put McCain back out "getting along with Obama"...

Let me tell you what, hoss. We the People screwed it up hardcore on 2008. We had three very separate centers of power and they adopted Giuliani, Romney, and Huckabee. In the absence of an organized party apparatus, each of those power centers ganged up with another one to trash the other guys candidate. We each succeeded in eliminating the competition, which left three campaigns in ruins and McCain sailed right past the wreckage.

Right now, we need the Party to get back on the job of winning.

410 SasquatchOnSteroids  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 4:23:42am

re: #408 MandyManners

Jones is better looking.

I'll take your word for that.

411 aboo-Hoo-Hoo  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 4:23:50am

Scott Ott's Examiner Scrappleface: Obama will urge kids to go to private school

A draft copy of President Barack Obama's planned September 8 address to America's public school children, tells students that "If you want to grow up to be like me, you should beg your parents to put you in private school, right now."

Although Obama attended public school in Indonesia early in life, he soon switched to a private Catholic school, and from fifth grade through graduation went to a private college-prep school in Hawaii. His own daughters now attend a private school in Washington D.C..

"Do you think you're going to get into Harvard University with your one-size-fits-all public school diploma?" the president will reportedly say. "Come on! Don't make me laugh. You'll be lucky to survive through graduation. Seriously, you gotta get out of this mediocrity machine. Go ahead! Get up right now. Run for the door. What are you waiting for?"

412 MandyManners  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 4:23:55am

re: #407 SixDegrees

They won't ignore a takedown of someone of Rangel's stature, or of widespread corruption within an investigative committee.

They may not have the same zeal for it as they do when Republicans are involved, but scandals sell papers and draw eyeballs; they're still the media's bread and butter, no matter who commits them.

Name the last corruption scandal from Democrats that the MFM covered thoroughly.

413 BatGuano  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 4:24:20am

Good night, everyone. Bat out.

414 MandyManners  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 4:24:55am

re: #413 BatGuano

Good night, everyone. Bat out.

Hang well.

415 yochanan  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 4:25:43am

re: #402 MandyManners

what crooks the MSM would say

416 TheMatrix31  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 4:26:22am

re: #413 BatGuano

Good night, everyone. Bat out.

Good night dude

417 TheMatrix31  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 4:27:11am

re: #405 MandyManners

Oh, great. FCBBHO is gonna' take up more air time for a speech to Congress about heath-care insurance "reform" next week.

Didn't he already TRY that like, 3 weeks ago or something?

418 MandyManners  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 4:27:25am

Another "reform" that FCBBHO's minions are trying to push is media reform. Mark Lloyd, "diversity" officer at the FCC.

[Link: www.freepress.net...]

[Link: www.lunch.com...]

[Link: www.sourcewatch.org...]

Praise for Chavez

[Link: www.rushlimbaugh.com...]

419 MandyManners  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 4:28:29am

re: #415 yochanan

what crooks the MSM would say

Then FCBBHO's administration would throw out something tantalizing and the MFM would screech, "OOOH! SHINEY!"

420 MandyManners  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 4:28:52am

re: #417 TheMatrix31

Didn't he already TRY that like, 3 weeks ago or something?

Beats me.

421 SasquatchOnSteroids  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 4:29:17am

re: #412 MandyManners

Name the last corruption scandal from Democrats that the MFM covered thoroughly.

I'm still thinking...

422 MandyManners  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 4:29:30am

re: #418 MandyManners

Another "reform" that FCBBHO's minions are trying to push is media reform. Mark Lloyd, "diversity" officer at the FCC.

[Link: www.freepress.net...]

[Link: www.lunch.com...]

[Link: www.sourcewatch.org...]

Praise for Chavez

[Link: www.rushlimbaugh.com...]

Poke around in the second one for a list of his co-panelists.

423 [deleted]  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 4:29:48am
424 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 4:30:06am

re: #412 MandyManners

Name the last corruption scandal from Democrats that the MFM covered thoroughly.

Bob Packwood.

425 MandyManners  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 4:30:49am

re: #422 MandyManners

Poke around in the second one for a list of his co-panelists.

No one can say that these are positions he held as a misguided young man or that he's repudiated them. The National Conference for Media Reform was last year.

426 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 4:30:55am

re: #424 Cannadian Club Akbar

Heh. Packwood. heh

427 MandyManners  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 4:31:08am

re: #424 Cannadian Club Akbar

Bob Packwood.

The groper?

428 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 4:31:47am

re: #426 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Heh. Packwood. heh

Aren't you the one who says "Mornin' Wood" every day?

429 MandyManners  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 4:32:00am

re: #424 Cannadian Club Akbar

Bob Packwood.

He's a Republican.

430 SasquatchOnSteroids  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 4:32:10am

re: #425 MandyManners

No one can say that these are positions he held as a misguided young man or that he's repudiated them. The National Conference for Media Reform was last year.

Did it happen before November ?
'Cause the stripes all magically fell off after that date.

They all good now.

431 SixDegrees  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 4:32:15am

re: #412 MandyManners

Name the last corruption scandal from Democrats that the MFM covered thoroughly.

William Jefferson. No shortage of sordidity on that one. And it's the gift that keeps on giving, with stories just a few days ago announcing his bankruptcy.

Cynthia McKinney's attack on a security guard and subsequent attempt to brush the investigation aside.

And here in Detroit...well, take your pick: Kwame Kilpatrick, Monica Conyers, Christine Beatty...it's a bottomless pit around here, and that's only dealing with pure corruption charges; if you want to take media attention to lameness and stupidity, it's a cottage industry these day.

432 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 4:32:37am

re: #427 MandyManners

The groper?

IIRC, they attacked after the left agenda was complete.

433 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 4:32:45am

re: #428 Cannadian Club Akbar

Only when he's here.

434 MandyManners  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 4:33:34am

re: #426 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Heh. Packwood. heh

Eponymous name, eh?

435 yochanan  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 4:34:05am

well they did cover gov'r blago but only after the election it was long known here in chicagostan he was a crook but the msm waited till after the election to talk about it and some wags say he was the scape goat for the zero in the tony rezko thing anyway.

436 MandyManners  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 4:34:15am

re: #430 SasquatchOnSteroids

Did it happen before November ?
'Cause the stripes all magically fell off after that date.

They all good now.

So the MFM want us to believe.

437 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 4:35:01am

re: #429 MandyManners

You are correct. Republican. My bad.

438 wahabicorridor  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 4:36:23am

driveby

The Brits are turning tail

Brown to unveil plans for UK troops to leave Afghanistan early in wake of shock resignation by Defence aide

Gordon Brown is today expected to speed up his exit strategy from Afghanistan after a bitter parting shot by a Government aide over his handling of the conflict.
The Prime Minister is set to unveil a shift in strategy that could see troops coming home up to a year sooner in a major speech this afternoon.

Training for more than 130,000 Afghan soldiers to take on the fight against the Taliban will be moved to the end of next year rather than the end of 2011.

In a bid to quell a summer of dissent over the war and waning public support, Mr Brown will suggest Britain can withdraw with pride once the Afghan army is self-sufficient.

The address will come just hours after Eric Joyce - a parliamentary aide to Defence Secretary Bob Ainsworth - walked out.
The timing of his shock resignation last night appeared calculated to upstage this afternoon's speech by the Prime Minister - which has long been planned - and prompted fury at Number 10.
To Downing Street's frustration, it will now appear as if Mr Brown was bounced into unveiling plans for an earlier withdrawal of troops because of Mr Joyce's devastating attack on his stewardship of the war.
The former Army major insisted last night that a time-limit had to be set for withdrawl and declared Labour could not win the next election unless it 'gripped' the issue.

He said the well-being of every serviceman and woman must be given the ‘highest political priority' and called on Mr Brown to show Labour remembered that ‘service folk and their families are our people’.

His resignation is the first from the Government over Afghanistan and is all the more embarrassing because as Mr Ainsworth's parliamentary private secretary, he is his right-hand man.

A panicked Downing Street rushed out excerpts from the speech this morning following the shock resignation last night.
Mr Brown will insist that Britain's military will stay in Afghanistan until it can look after its own security, declaring: 'We cannot walk away.

'Each time I ask myself if we are doing the right thing by being in Afghanistan and if we can justify sending our young men and women to fight for this cause, my answer has always been yes.'

He will add: 'People ask what success in Afghanistan would look like. The answer is that we will have succeeded when our troops are coming home because the Afghans are doing the job themselves.'

In a bid to shore up flagging public support, the Prime Minister is expected to lay the ground for an eventual withdrawal of British troops.

He will also outline the need for a more 'hearts and minds' approach to dispel the idea that British troops are just there to clamp down on the Taliban.

But he will avoid talk of a timetable or an exit strategy and instead set out plans to step up training for the Afghan army to reduce its reliance on British and U.S. forces.

After weeks of attacks about troops' equipment, he will also insist that soldiers on the ground are better resourced than ever before.

Officials think that more than 200,000 trained Afghans will be needed before a phased handover of provinces from the control of coalition forces can begin. This is unlikely before the middle of 2011.

Weeks of attacks? No. It's been years.

And Gord is such a lying weasel.

439 SasquatchOnSteroids  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 4:36:47am

re: #436 MandyManners

So the MFM want us to believe.

Not just them.
I expect to be swooped upon by carnivorous pinkie eaters.

440 opnion  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 4:37:24am

Good morning. Is this the day shift?
The thread before this got real interesting

441 MandyManners  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 4:37:45am

re: #431 SixDegrees

William Jefferson. No shortage of sordidity on that one. And it's the gift that keeps on giving, with stories just a few days ago announcing his bankruptcy.

Cynthia McKinney's attack on a security guard and subsequent attempt to brush the investigation aside.

And here in Detroit...well, take your pick: Kwame Kilpatrick, Monica Conyers, Christine Beatty...it's a bottomless pit around here, and that's only dealing with pure corruption charges; if you want to take media attention to lameness and stupidity, it's a cottage industry these day.

To my recollection, Jefferson's scandal was not hammered by the MFM nearly the same way that Sanford's wick-dipping on the public dime.

McKinney had no financial angle to my knowledge.

I don't recall the details of the other three.

442 96RoadKing  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 4:38:36am

re: #439 SasquatchOnSteroids

Not just them.
I expect to be swooped upon by carnivorous pinkie eaters.

Is it too early to talk about Soylent Green?

443 MandyManners  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 4:38:37am

re: #432 Cannadian Club Akbar

IIRC, they attacked after the left agenda was complete.

Wasn't that part of the effort to take down the Contract for America?

444 MandyManners  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 4:39:28am

re: #435 yochanan

well they did cover gov'r blago but only after the election it was long known here in chicagostan he was a crook but the msm waited till after the election to talk about it and some wags say he was the scape goat for the zero in the tony rezko thing anyway.

Funny how it's slipped away.

445 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 4:39:58am

re: #442 96RoadKing

Is it too early to talk about Soylent Green?

Just serve it with bacon.

446 MandyManners  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 4:40:34am

re: #439 SasquatchOnSteroids

Not just them.
I expect to be swooped upon by carnivorous pinkie eaters.

In bed.

447 aboo-Hoo-Hoo  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 4:40:47am

Just received a message which reports Supreme Fubar has replied to The Won's most recent letter/plea...whatevah...

Gee...we're just moving right along.

448 [deleted]  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 4:40:54am
449 SasquatchOnSteroids  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 4:41:34am

re: #442 96RoadKing

Is it too early to talk about Soylent Green?

Tell you one thing.
Whoever invented 2% milk is a real a-hole.
Just dumped a half gallon of it down the drain. I drink the whole shit, not this watery excuse for a $4 swindle. Out of half and half and this crap is what I have to use for my coffee.
Hence my 'tude this morning.

450 MandyManners  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 4:41:35am

re: #447 aboo-Hoo-Hoo

Just received a message which reports Supreme Fubar has replied to The Won's most recent letter/plea...whatevah...

Gee...we're just moving right along.

*scratching head*

Huh?

451 MandyManners  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 4:42:29am

re: #449 SasquatchOnSteroids

Tell you one thing.
Whoever invented 2% milk is a real a-hole.
Just dumped a half gallon of it down the drain. I drink the whole shit, not this watery excuse for a $4 swindle. Out of half and half and this crap is what I have to use for my coffee.
Hence my 'tude this morning.

Yeah, The Kid used my whipping cream for his cereal and I forgot to get some more yesterday so I'm stuck with whole milk.

452 96RoadKing  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 4:43:17am

re: #449 SasquatchOnSteroids

Tell you one thing.
Whoever invented 2% milk is a real a-hole.
Just dumped a half gallon of it down the drain. I drink the whole shit, not this watery excuse for a $4 swindle. Out of half and half and this crap is what I have to use for my coffee.
Hence my 'tude this morning.


Thanks for the warning. I'm now on official 'ready to duck' mode. Hope your day improves!

453 SasquatchOnSteroids  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 4:45:25am

re: #451 MandyManners

Yeah, The Kid used my whipping cream for his cereal and I forgot to get some more yesterday so I'm stuck with whole milk.

I could scrape by with whole, but this mess isn't milk. I don't know what the hell it is, I think it's water with thin white paint mixed in for coloring.
Like fat-free twinkies, you kidding me ?

454 [deleted]  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 4:46:10am
455 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 4:46:54am

re: #453 SasquatchOnSteroids

Keep an emergency powdered creamer back up. Just for days like this.

456 SasquatchOnSteroids  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 4:47:55am

re: #452 96RoadKing

Thanks for the warning. I'm now on official 'ready to duck' mode. Hope your day improves!

Hey, thanks for that. I'm not Bobby Knight, though. You're safe.

457 MandyManners  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 4:48:19am

re: #453 SasquatchOnSteroids

I could scrape by with whole, but this mess isn't milk. I don't know what the hell it is, I think it's water with thin white paint mixed in for coloring.
Like fat-free twinkies, you kidding me ?

Could be worse: you could have skim milk.

458 SixDegrees  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 4:48:28am

re: #441 MandyManners

To my recollection, Jefferson's scandal was not hammered by the MFM nearly the same way that Sanford's wick-dipping on the public dime.

McKinney had no financial angle to my knowledge.

I don't recall the details of the other three.

They were all over the news at the time their various indiscretions were uncovered, and firmly remained there. In Jefferson's case, it can easily be argued that it was media attention to his bizarre behavior during Hurricane Katrina - notably, diverting National Guard resources to clean out his home - that touched off initial investigations into his corruption. In Kilpatrick's case - former Mayor of Detroit, resigned in disgrace and was sentenced to jail for various misdeeds - that came about solely because of media inquiries. The Detroit Free Press went out of their way to obtain copies of the Mayor's cell phone and voice mail records - public information, because they were supposed to be reserved for city business - and unwound the whole complicated scandal that led to his dismissal and imprisonment. Monica Conyers - wife of John Conyers - pled guilty to bribery charges and is facing five years in Federal prison, all as a result of badger-like investigations conducted by the Detroit News and Detroit Free Press.

McKinney's trangressions didn't involve money, but they did involve an attempt to abuse her power, which counts as corruption in my book.

All of these incidents and many others have received no shortage of media attention, and most in fact were originally brought to the public's attention by the media, opening the door to the prosecutions that followed.

These are just the first few that leap to mind.

As for Sanford - the man need to do two things: keep his pants zipped, and keep his mouth shut. Every times he starts falling out of the public spotlight, he drags himself right back into it. Even the media grows tired of a single topic after a while, but when you keep on tossing them new chunks of raw meat...

459 MandyManners  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 4:48:57am

re: #454 taxfreekiller

Its an over all plan. Obama will use this withdrawal by the Brits to say,
the U.S. should not "go it alone" that the U.S. will only look like invader/occupiers, he too will say that we leave when the Afgan's are able. Then when they fail, the msm hacks will cover for the D's and blame the Afgan government and the drug cartels.

The anti war Democrats and the old commies in the msm will have it no other way.

I fear you are correct.

460 wahabicorridor  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 4:49:10am

driveby # 2

This is really disgusting. World Wildlife Fund advert (which they are trying to back away from big time) exploits 9/11 in a 'save Gaia' pitch. Check out the video.

An advert designed for an environmental charity has been condemned for featuring an image in which dozen of planes are posed to collide with New York.
In an effort to raise awareness of potential environmental disasters and their resulting casualties, the designer twinned the depiction with the slogan 'The tsunami killed 100 times more people than 9/11' and the Worldwide Wildlife Fund's (WWF) logo.

Although it was published just once in a small Brazilian newspaper, it has provoked widespread outrage after being picked up by bloggers in the US.

The charity has since distanced itself from the image claiming it was simply a mock-up created by an advertising agency in a bid to get work, and not planned for release.
The agency, DDB Brasil, initially denied making the video version of the ad.
However it has since been revealed the agency had lied: Not only had it made the ad, it had submitted it to the Cannes Lions International Advertising Festival in June. The entry and credit can be found online.
The comparison of the 2001 terrorist attacks and the 2004 Indian Ocean tsunami is thought to trivialise the victims and suffering suffered by the former event.

461 MandyManners  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 4:49:25am

re: #455 Cannadian Club Akbar

Keep an emergency powdered creamer back up. Just for days like this.

I'd rather use Comet.

462 MandyManners  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 4:49:49am

re: #456 SasquatchOnSteroids

Hey, thanks for that. I'm not Bobby Knight, though. You're safe.

I despise that asshole.

463 MandyManners  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 4:51:05am

re: #458 SixDegrees

They were all over the news at the time their various indiscretions were uncovered, and firmly remained there. In Jefferson's case, it can easily be argued that it was media attention to his bizarre behavior during Hurricane Katrina - notably, diverting National Guard resources to clean out his home - that touched off initial investigations into his corruption. In Kilpatrick's case - former Mayor of Detroit, resigned in disgrace and was sentenced to jail for various misdeeds - that came about solely because of media inquiries. The Detroit Free Press went out of their way to obtain copies of the Mayor's cell phone and voice mail records - public information, because they were supposed to be reserved for city business - and unwound the whole complicated scandal that led to his dismissal and imprisonment. Monica Conyers - wife of John Conyers - pled guilty to bribery charges and is facing five years in Federal prison, all as a result of badger-like investigations conducted by the Detroit News and Detroit Free Press.

McKinney's trangressions didn't involve money, but they did involve an attempt to abuse her power, which counts as corruption in my book.

All of these incidents and many others have received no shortage of media attention, and most in fact were originally brought to the public's attention by the media, opening the door to the prosecutions that followed.

These are just the first few that leap to mind.

As for Sanford - the man need to do two things: keep his pants zipped, and keep his mouth shut. Every times he starts falling out of the public spotlight, he drags himself right back into it. Even the media grows tired of a single topic after a while, but when you keep on tossing them new chunks of raw meat...

So why aren't the MFM hammering Rangel?

464 aboo-Hoo-Hoo  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 4:52:04am

re: #450 MandyManners

*scratching head*

Huh?

A couple days back one of the Iranian state sponsored papers dropped a turd in Obama's coffee and published a report that Obama had written a second letter to the Mullah's - one addressed to Supreme Fubar.

I presume from this message Supreme Fubar responded.

465 MandyManners  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 4:52:10am

re: #460 wahabicorridor

driveby # 2

This is really disgusting. World Wildlife Fund advert (which they are trying to back away from big time) exploits 9/11 in a 'save Gaia' pitch. Check out the video.

That might piss off a lot of donors if the truth about the extent of their involvment becomes widely known.

466 MandyManners  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 4:52:58am

re: #464 aboo-Hoo-Hoo

A couple days back one of the Iranian state sponsored papers dropped a turd in Obama's coffee and published a report that Obama had written a second letter to the Mullah's - one addressed to Supreme Fubar.

I presume from this message Supreme Fubar responded.

To what end is FCBBHO writing those murdering thugs?

467 SasquatchOnSteroids  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 4:53:32am

re: #460 wahabicorridor

driveby # 2

This is really disgusting. World Wildlife Fund advert (which they are trying to back away from big time) exploits 9/11 in a 'save Gaia' pitch. Check out the video.

Disgusting.

468 callahan23  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 4:53:32am

re: #453 SasquatchOnSteroids

I could scrape by with whole, but this mess isn't milk. I don't know what the hell it is, I think it's water with thin white paint mixed in for coloring.
Like fat-free twinkies, you kidding me ?

In the time of the industrial revolution in Britain milk merchants diluted milk in order to make more profit.
They mixed in the sweetener 'lead' so that their customers wouldn't notice. No small wonder that the Empire had big problems finding fit young men for the Boer war, besides mal-nourishment of course.

Even with this crap milk you are rightly angered about - We live in exalted times.

Hello Lizardia !

469 [deleted]  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 4:54:09am
470 MandyManners  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 4:57:57am

re: #469 taxfreekiller

Bobby Knight would be a good one to run the place where we de-brief ben loud one once we capture old Ben.

His attitude toward rape STILL pisses me off. The depth of my disgust is unfathomable.

471 SixDegrees  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 4:58:16am

re: #463 MandyManners

So why aren't the MFM hammering Rangel?

They don't seem to be ignoring him.

472 callahan23  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 4:58:36am

re: #460 wahabicorridor

driveby # 2

This is really disgusting. World Wildlife Fund advert (which they are trying to back away from big time) exploits 9/11 in a 'save Gaia' pitch. Check out the video.

I wouldn't have expected anything different from wwf or greenpeaces. The have, time and again showed their reverence to GAIA and tzheir contempt for people.

473 TheMatrix31  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 4:58:43am

re: #470 MandyManners

His attitude toward rape STILL pisses me off. The depth of my disgust is unfathomable.

Never heard his stance...?

474 aboo-Hoo-Hoo  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 4:58:46am

re: #466 MandyManners

To what end is FCBBHO writing those murdering thugs?

Dialogue. Normalized relations. Help.

The Fraud's/Arab's are whizzing-up a storm. Some pretty screwed-up stuff going on.

475 SasquatchOnSteroids  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 4:58:57am

re: #468 callahan23

In the time of the industrial revolution in Britain milk merchants diluted milk in order to make more profit.
They mixed in the sweetener 'lead' so that their customers wouldn't notice. No small wonder that the Empire had big problems finding fit young men for the Boer war, besides mal-nourishment of course.

Even with this crap milk you are rightly angered about - We live in exalted times.

Hello Lizardia !

Morning, Cal. Interesting bit of consumer fraud history.
Maybe they were just trying to put some lead in their pencils. Pre-Cialis Cialis.
/hardly.

476 opnion  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 5:00:12am

Does anybody think that Obama's people repudiating their own pasts as they enter the Administration is like going before the parole boaard & saying "either I didn't do it, or I really didn't mean it"?

477 SixDegrees  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 5:00:14am
478 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 5:00:32am
479 opnion  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 5:01:22am

re: #470 MandyManners

His attitude toward rape STILL pisses me off. The depth of my disgust is unfathomable.

Not a good guy. He kicked his own kid in the shin during a time out.

480 SixDegrees  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 5:01:55am

re: #476 opnion

Does anybody think that Obama's people repudiating their own pasts as they enter the Administration is like going before the parole boaard & saying "either I didn't do it, or I really didn't mean it"?

It has far greater credibility than the versions of their "past" peddled by Troofer websites.

481 MandyManners  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 5:03:40am

Fox is reporting that North Korea has announced that it's almost done refining the uranium.

482 callahan23  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 5:04:09am

re: #475 SasquatchOnSteroids

It is always good 'n healthy to remember how people lived in those rose-tinted 'good-old' times.
Miserable health due to mal nourishment, food poisoning, bad medical treatments et.al. - That was more like it in those bad-old times.

483 opnion  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 5:04:45am

re: #480 SixDegrees

It has far greater credibility than the versions of their "past" peddled by Troofer websites.

Neither of the sources seem particularly credible. I wasn't referring specificaly though to Van Jone.

484 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 5:04:49am

re: #481 MandyManners

Fox is reporting that North Korea has announced that it's almost done refining the uranium.


[Link: uk.reuters.com...]

485 MandyManners  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 5:05:20am

re: #471 SixDegrees

They don't seem to be ignoring him.

I hope he stonewalls and pisses off some reporters.

486 MandyManners  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 5:05:46am

re: #473 TheMatrix31

Never heard his stance...?

If it is inevitable, the woman should just lean back and enjoy it.

487 TheMatrix31  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 5:06:15am

re: #486 MandyManners

If it is inevitable, the woman should just lean back and enjoy it.

No way. Wow.

488 MandyManners  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 5:06:19am

re: #474 aboo-Hoo-Hoo

Dialogue. Normalized relations. Help.

The Fraud's/Arab's are whizzing-up a storm. Some pretty screwed-up stuff going on.

When was this letter written?

489 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 5:06:26am

re: #486 MandyManners

If it is inevitable, the woman should just lean back and enjoy it.

Wasn't he quoting a politician? Some guy from Texas...

490 SixDegrees  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 5:06:34am

re: #481 MandyManners

Fox is reporting that North Korea has announced that it's almost done refining the uranium.

L'il Kimmy's been out of the public spotlight for too long now, and he's feeling ronery again. Time to draw more attention to himself.

Look for an escalation of threats and bluster in the next couple of weeks. Last time, it bought him a visit and photo op with a former US President. In the past, it's brought him billions of dollars in foreign aid. Who knows what it will gain him this time?

Pretty much whatever he wants, I'd imagine.

491 MandyManners  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 5:06:54am

re: #479 opnion

Not a good guy. He kicked his own kid in the shin during a time out.

I hadn't heard of that one.

492 yochanan  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 5:06:56am

re: #447 aboo-Hoo-Hoo

Just received a message which reports Supreme Fubar has replied to The Won's most recent letter/plea...whatevah...

Gee...we're just moving right along.

DING DING DING WE HAVE A WINNER

493 elevenbravo1969  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 5:07:06am

re: #481 MandyManners

I thought the norks had already built and tested a nuke.

494 MandyManners  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 5:08:34am

From Wiki.

Women's groups nationwide were outraged by Knight's comments during an April, 1988 interview with Connie Chung in which he said, "I think that if rape is inevitable, relax and enjoy it."[29] Knight's comment was in reference to an Indiana basketball game in which he felt the referees were making poor calls against the Hoosiers.

495 SixDegrees  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 5:08:43am

re: #485 MandyManners

I hope he stonewalls and pisses off some reporters.

There's already blood in the water, and they've sensed it. Sharks, in the end, can't help themselves; it's their nature to be drawn to the scent.

I also hope for a loud crash from Rangel. He's dirty, and he's arrogant about it.

496 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 5:09:01am

re: #494 MandyManners

From Wiki.

Women's groups nationwide were outraged by Knight's comments during an April, 1988 interview with Connie Chung in which he said, "I think that if rape is inevitable, relax and enjoy it."[29] Knight's comment was in reference to an Indiana basketball game in which he felt the referees were making poor calls against the Hoosiers.

In March 1990, Republican Clayton Williams, Jr. was running against Democrat Ann Richards for Texas governor. Williams compared the Texas weather to rape—if it’s inevitable, then relax and enjoy it. Candidate Williams was criticized for the comment and an aplogy was issued, but it was one of several mistakes that cost him the election to Ann Richards.

497 MandyManners  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 5:09:03am

Gotta' go tend to The Kid.

498 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 5:09:36am

re: #496 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Oh, yeah. And despicable.

499 SasquatchOnSteroids  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 5:10:00am

re: #482 callahan23

It is always good 'n healthy to remember how people lived in those rose-tinted 'good-old' times.
Miserable health due to mal nourishment, food poisoning, bad medical treatments et.al. - That was more like it in those bad-old times.

So true. I bitch because of what I'm used to. Reflection is good, but it doesn't make my java taste any better. I needs mah halves and halfses.

500 MandyManners  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 5:10:11am

re: #496 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

In March 1990, Republican Clayton Williams, Jr. was running against Democrat Ann Richards for Texas governor. Williams compared the Texas weather to rape—if it’s inevitable, then relax and enjoy it. Candidate Williams was criticized for the comment and an aplogy was issued, but it was one of several mistakes that cost him the election to Ann Richards.

Knight said what he said in 1988.

501 opnion  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 5:10:15am

re: #491 MandyManners

I hadn't heard of that one.

Oh it was classic Bobby Knight. I saw it on TV. AS I recall they were playing Notre Dame.
It was either a Regional or National game.

502 BlueCanuck  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 5:10:39am

And I am back. Currently at the salt mine, hoping for an upgrade to the pepper mills...

re: #482 callahan23

It is always good 'n healthy to remember how people lived in those rose-tinted 'good-old' times.
Miserable health due to mal nourishment, food poisoning, bad medical treatments et.al. - That was more like it in those bad-old times.

Saw a program once a long time ago and two members of SCA were talking about their hobby. Part that got a laugh out of me was the line, "We ignore the bad stuff like the Black Plague". :)

/ahhh romanticism...

503 aboo-Hoo-Hoo  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 5:11:18am

re: #488 MandyManners

When was this letter written?

One presumes sometime during the past week or two.

504 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 5:11:40am

re: #500 MandyManners

Yeah... I caught that after posting. But, still.. inexcusable.

505 BlueCanuck  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 5:12:57am

re: #499 SasquatchOnSteroids

So true. I bitch because of what I'm used to. Reflection is good, but it doesn't make my java taste any better. I needs mah halves and halfses.

tsk tsk. I use 2% because it's just enough to punch up the flavour of my coffee with out leaving that furry coating on my tongue and throat. And coffeemate liquid is an abomination.

506 callahan23  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 5:15:13am

re: #499 SasquatchOnSteroids

So true. I bitch because of what I'm used to. Reflection is good, but it doesn't make my java taste any better. I needs mah halves and halfses.

Have at it all you want, you are good and reasonable people. Sorry if I created the impression that I was on attack-mode. It wasn't meant that way.
I find it very luxurious and reasuring that one needn't worry about food poisoning only on the taste of the different food stuffs. ;-)

507 Coracle  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 5:16:36am

re: #505 BlueCanuck

tsk tsk. I use 2% because it's just enough to punch up the flavour of my coffee with out leaving that furry coating on my tongue and throat. And coffeemate liquid is an abomination.

The life of the lactose-intolerant: I use fat free, lactose free. But I make up for it by steaming it and making cappucino (double - the Euros may know quality in coffee products, but are sorely lacking in quantity). When I don't have time for that, I make me a pot of standard and put in non-dairy creamer - nothing like silica to take the edge off of medium quality caffeine.

508 Spenser (with an S)  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 5:18:04am

re: #482 callahan23

It is always good 'n healthy to remember how people lived in those rose-tinted 'good-old' times.
Miserable health due to mal nourishment, food poisoning, bad medical treatments et.al. - That was more like it in those bad-old times.

Yep, almost the entire course of civilization has been marked by disease, poverty, slavery, indifferent or hostile strongman rulers... It has not been pretty for most people in most times. We are blessed.

509 MandyManners  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 5:18:34am

Gotta' scoot.

510 VioletTiger  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 5:18:51am

Good morning lizards.
Shout out to Canadian lizards--enjoyed the visit to your fair country.
Ended up eating at Milestones. I wanted to go Indian, but was over-ruled.

511 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 5:18:53am

re: #507 Coracle

Silica. Ugh.

Read an article once that Margarine is "one molecule away from being plastic".

512 yochanan  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 5:19:03am

WHAT do you call a de-caf, capicio, with soya milk and fake sugar?

WHY BOTHER

513 kcladderman  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 5:20:08am

re: #508 Spenser (with an S)

Lizards a hundred years from now will be talking about how miserable life must have been back at the turn of the century. We don't know how bad we have it.
/

514 SasquatchOnSteroids  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 5:20:11am

re: #506 callahan23

Have at it all you want, you are good and reasonable people. Sorry if I created the impression that I was on attack-mode. It wasn't meant that way.
I find it very luxurious and reasuring that one needn't worry about food poisoning only on the taste of the different food stuffs. ;-)

Never took that you were in attack mode, Cal. Damn good people you are.

You're 100% right.

515 BlueCanuck  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 5:20:13am

re: #510 VioletTiger

Glad you enjoyed your visit to our fair city. Next time find some more adventerous travel mates. :)

516 Coracle  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 5:20:20am

re: #512 yochanan

WHAT do you call a de-caf, capicio, with soya milk and fake sugar?

It's drink of choice for androids and other artificial life forms.

517 SixDegrees  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 5:22:11am

re: #511 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Silica. Ugh.

Read an article once that Margarine is "one molecule away from being plastic".

Water is a single atom away from being hydrogen peroxide - an excellent rocket fuel.

518 jim in virginia  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 5:23:18am

Morning all.
Mrs. Jiv teaches HS English; classes start Tuesday, teachers have been in all this week getting ready. This morning she got an email from her principal. They will show the President's address on Tuesday. Teachers are requested to be sure to have the tvs on in their rooms. TVs will be set up in cafeteria for students who are at lunch. Parents can send a note in with their child excusing them from watching, and those kids will be supervised in the gym. Teachers who can apply the speech to their subject topics are "encouraged " to initiate discussion afterwards.
Mrs Jiv is usually calm, polite, and gentle. But the email set her off. "What about TEACHERS who don't want to watch the President? Can they be excused?"
I considered offering to write her a note but thought better of it. What really bothers her is that she tries to make every minute of class time count. And this is just a distraction.
I'm wondering how successful this will be for high school students on the first day of school. Most kids in the cafeteria won't pay attention. If you're a smart / smart alec conservative/ Republican over a certain age, you'll sit in the front row, listen carefully, and pepper the teacher with annoying questions. (My fourteen year olds, probably.) If you're differently obnoxious, you'll sit in the back and belch at appropriate moments.
And if you're sixteen and your parents send a note to take you out of class, 50- 50 chance you stay in class anyway. Depends on where the cute girl or the cool guy is.

519 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 5:23:35am

re: #517 SixDegrees

Yeah. One molecule can make a shitload of difference.

520 Coracle  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 5:23:53am

re: #511 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Silica. Ugh.

Read an article once that Margarine is "one molecule away from being plastic".

That may be true, but then water is one atom from being hydrogen peroxide. It's the arrangement that does it.

521 jim in virginia  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 5:24:48am

re: #489 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Wasn't he quoting a politician? Some guy from Texas...


Bill Clements. Texas oil millionaire, (R) governor circa 1978-86.

522 VioletTiger  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 5:25:31am

re: #397 SixDegrees

A little. Rangel is a pretty big fish when it comes to seniority. And if it turns out that members of the committee took "campaign contributions" from Rangel - or, to be more blunt, took bribes from the man they're supposed to be investigating - things could spread even further.

Comparisons with 0's statements about having the Most Ethical Government Ever are inevitable, especially if even the investigators turn out to be corrupt.

I particularly love the fact that the IRS has said they are cracking down on cheaters now in an effort to wear down that deficit. Perhaps they should start with the administration. That should net some real money.

523 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 5:25:36am

re: #517 SixDegrees

Water is a single atom away from being hydrogen peroxide - an excellent rocket fuel.

re: #520 Coracle

That may be true, but then water is one atom from being hydrogen peroxide. It's the arrangement that does it.

Coracle? SixDegrees.
SixDegrees? Coracle.

524 Coracle  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 5:26:25am

re: #523 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Coracle? SixDegrees.
SixDegrees? Coracle.

Hi, Six°. May I say, you're a genius.

525 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 5:26:40am

re: #523 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Coracle? SixDegrees.
SixDegrees? Coracle.

Buehler? Buehler?

526 jim in virginia  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 5:26:47am

re: #521 jim in virginia

Bill Clements. Texas oil millionaire, (R) governor circa 1978-86.

Nope, Mandy in #500 is correct. I'd forgoten about Williams.

527 Spenser (with an S)  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 5:28:23am

re: #518 jim in virginia

Yeah, I'm not real worried about this one. I'm sure it will be chock full of stay in school and don't do drugs (like I did) and probably some tree-huggie stuff but without their parents there to arrange a full choral tribute to His Oneness, I think it will fall flat.

528 Mad Al-Jaffee  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 5:33:38am

re: #509 MandyManners

Gotta' scoot.

in bed? ;)

Morning everyone and happy Friday and Labor Day Weekend to be!

529 yochanan  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 5:33:52am

right now i got two choices watch a re-run OF THE WON'S SPEECH or clean out the toe jam in my feet. which one will it be?

i think the toes will get my attention.

530 BlueCanuck  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 5:35:24am

re: #529 yochanan

Hey, cleaning out toe jam is an important thing to do. At least that's what my MCpls and Sgts told me. :)

531 SasquatchOnSteroids  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 5:37:07am

Man on death row gets jail term for TV criticism

RIYADH (Reuters) – A Shi'ite who has been on death row in Saudi Arabia for 16 years for insulting the Prophet Mohammed was sentenced this week to another five years in jail for criticizing the Saudi justice system, an activist said.

The verdict issued on Monday punished Hadi al-Mutif for criticizing the justice system and the U.S.-allied absolute monarchy's human rights record in comments he made from prison to U.S.-funded Alhurra television in 2007. Prisoners are often able to access mobile phones from visitors to Saudi jails.

34 years old.
16 in jail.
For this.

532 opnion  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 5:37:40am

re: #527 Spenser (with an S)

Yeah, I'm not real worried about this one. I'm sure it will be chock full of stay in school and don't do drugs (like I did) and probably some tree-huggie stuff but without their parents there to arrange a full choral tribute to His Oneness, I think it will fall flat.

I heard a Kansas Schools official on the radio yesterday. She claimed that the teachers are getting talking points to go over with the chidren.
There are also work porojects including making posters with Obama quotations & the kids are supposed to write letters about what they can do for BHO.
If she has this right it is a liitle more than creepy.

533 opnion  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 5:38:49am

re: #530 BlueCanuck

Hey, cleaning out toe jam is an important thing to do. At least that's what my MCpls and Sgts told me. :)

And great recreation when alone in a hotel room.

534 Mad Al-Jaffee  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 5:39:03am

re: #531 SasquatchOnSteroids

Reminds me of the guy in Life of Brian who is going to be stoned to death for saying "Jehovah."

535 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 5:40:06am

re: #533 opnion

And great recreation when alone in a hotel room.

That's all you can find to do?
/

536 Spenser (with an S)  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 5:41:16am

re: #527 Spenser (with an S)

By which, of course, I mean something like this

537 opnion  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 5:41:47am

re: #535 Cannadian Club Akbar

That's all you can find to do?
/

Uh, you know the rest is iknda ,you know personal.

538 callahan23  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 5:42:04am

re: #514 SasquatchOnSteroids

Never took that you were in attack mode, Cal. Damn good people you are.

You're 100% right.

dito

539 Spenser (with an S)  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 5:42:08am

re: #536 Spenser (with an S)

Crap, sorry. Let me do that over...

540 reine.de.tout  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 5:42:33am

re: #532 opnion

I heard a Kansas Schools official on the radio yesterday. She claimed that the teachers are getting talking points to go over with the chidren.
There are also work porojects including making posters with Obama quotations & the kids are supposed to write letters about what they can do for BHO.
If she has this right it is a liitle more than creepy.

The part about kids writing letters about "what they can do for BHO", was one of the activities in the lesson plan, and it's been changed not, to write letters about their educational goals.

I think the things you mentioned are suggested activities to go along with the lesson plan. Teachers can use or ignore them. Very important, imo ,for parents to be aware of what is going on, what activities their kids will be doing in connection with this speech, just as they keep an eye on anything related to their kids' education. If the parent finds the activities too political - they need to have a discussion with the school and/or their kids. I suspect most teachers will keep this as politically benign as possible.

541 reine.de.tout  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 5:43:23am

re: #540 reine.de.tout

oops

The part about kids writing letters about "what they can do for BHO", was one of the activities in the lesson plan, and it's been changed not, to write letters about their educational goals.

I think the things you mentioned are suggested activities to go along with the lesson plan. Teachers can use or ignore them. Very important, imo ,for parents to be aware of what is going on, what activities their kids will be doing in connection with this speech, just as they keep an eye on anything related to their kids' education. If the parent finds the activities too political - they need to have a discussion with the school and/or their kids. I suspect most teachers will keep this as politically benign as possible.

542 VioletTiger  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 5:43:41am

re: #536 Spenser (with an S)
Obama carols!

543 Coracle  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 5:44:02am

re: #541 reine.de.tout

I suspect most teachers will keep this as politically benign as possible.


Agreed.

544 BlueCanuck  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 5:44:41am

re: #532 opnion

Actually the part about writing letters on what they can do has been removed from the speech text and probably from the classroom talking points. Happened a couple of days ago.

545 SasquatchOnSteroids  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 5:45:22am

re: #540 reine.de.tout

The part about kids writing letters about "what they can do for BHO", was one of the activities in the lesson plan, and it's been changed not, to write letters about their educational goals.

I think the things you mentioned are suggested activities to go along with the lesson plan. Teachers can use or ignore them. Very important, imo ,for parents to be aware of what is going on, what activities their kids will be doing in connection with this speech, just as they keep an eye on anything related to their kids' education. If the parent finds the activities too political - they need to have a discussion with the school and/or their kids. I suspect most teachers will keep this as politically benign as possible.

Yeah, I have no problem with them writing goals, do it all the time myself.
Just have to see if the educators can control themselves and not get all wee-weed up. I do understand the parents concerns, though.
We'll just have to see.

546 Spenser (with an S)  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 5:45:30am

re: #540 reine.de.tout

Very important, imo ,for parents to be aware of what is going on, what activities their kids will be doing in connection with this speech, just as they keep an eye on anything related to their kids' education. If the parent finds the activities too political - they need to have a discussion with the school and/or their kids. I suspect most teachers will keep this as politically benign as possible.

I agree. My kids have not been poisoned about Obama. They would tell you that "he has a lot of bad ideas and doesn't always tell the truth", but nothing personal or demonizing.

547 opnion  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 5:46:47am

re: #540 reine.de.tout

The part about kids writing letters about "what they can do for BHO", was one of the activities in the lesson plan, and it's been changed not, to write letters about their educational goals.

I think the things you mentioned are suggested activities to go along with the lesson plan. Teachers can use or ignore them. Very important, imo ,for parents to be aware of what is going on, what activities their kids will be doing in connection with this speech, just as they keep an eye on anything related to their kids' education. If the parent finds the activities too political - they need to have a discussion with the school and/or their kids. I suspect most teachers will keep this as politically benign as possible.


If Obama is just encouraging kids to work hard & stay in school, this could be a good thing.
I think that it is because of the exposure some of the other things were droped & why it probably won't be political.
These must have taken place after the Kansas school official was interviewed.

548 VioletTiger  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 5:47:14am

re: #540 reine.de.tout

The part about kids writing letters about "what they can do for BHO", was one of the activities in the lesson plan, and it's been changed not, to write letters about their educational goals.

I think the things you mentioned are suggested activities to go along with the lesson plan. Teachers can use or ignore them. Very important, imo ,for parents to be aware of what is going on, what activities their kids will be doing in connection with this speech, just as they keep an eye on anything related to their kids' education. If the parent finds the activities too political - they need to have a discussion with the school and/or their kids. I suspect most teachers will keep this as politically benign as possible.


I have no problem with kids listening to Obama give them a pep talk about school and then writing about their educational goals. I'm not so happy about them having to write about what they can do for Obama. I would prefer they write about what they can do for their country.

549 SixDegrees  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 5:47:37am

re: #524 Coracle

Hi, Six°. May I say, you're a genius.

Likewise.

550 Spenser (with an S)  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 5:48:49am

re: #542 VioletTiger

re: #536 Spenser (with an S)
Obama carols!

That creeps me out all over again. I know that was not from his campaign, but... eewh.

551 SasquatchOnSteroids  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 5:49:35am

Writing a goal as we speak.

1) Whole milk and real coffee creamer in my refridgerator by 10:00 AM.

2) That is all.

552 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 5:50:16am

U.S. unemployment rate rises to 9.7 percent, the highest since 1983. Employers cut 216,000 jobs in August. (no link)

And as an aside, average hours worked a week, 33.

It's a party.

553 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 5:50:42am

re: #542 VioletTiger

My sisters used to sing a song about Kennedy...

554 VioletTiger  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 5:50:48am

re: #550 Spenser (with an S)

That creeps me out all over again. I know that was not from his campaign, but... eewh.

That was very weird and creepy. I think that in some way it may be what people are thinking will happen on Tuesday. Kind of far fetched, imo.

555 FrogMarch  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 5:51:10am
556 VioletTiger  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 5:51:20am

re: #553 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

My sisters used to sing a song about Kennedy...

Was it a limerick?

557 SasquatchOnSteroids  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 5:51:59am

re: #552 Walter L. Newton

U.S. unemployment rate rises to 9.7 percent, the highest since 1983. Employers cut 216,000 jobs in August. (no link)

And as an aside, average hours worked a week, 33.

It's a party.

I'm at 32-36. By choice, however.

Others where I work are less than 30.

558 Killian Bundy  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 5:52:27am

Unemployment rate jumps to 26-year high of 9.7%

The U.S. unemployment rate jumped to a 26-year high of 9.7% in August as nonfarm payrolls fell by 216,000, the 20th consecutive monthly decline, the Labor Department estimated Friday.

U.S. payrolls have dropped by 6.9 million to 131.2 million since the recession began in December 2007, the government data showed. Unemployment has increased by 7.4 million during the recession to 14.9 million.

/good thing we blindly rushed to spend a trillion (with interest) on "stimulus" to keep the unemployment rate under 8% and "save or create" all those millions of jobs

559 Spenser (with an S)  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 5:52:28am

re: #547 opnion

I think that it is because of the exposure some of the other things were droped & why it probably won't be political.

I agree that it was a good thing there was exposure and concern (not a freakout, there's a middle ground) about these plans in time to have them changed.

560 SixDegrees  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 5:53:43am

re: #552 Walter L. Newton

U.S. unemployment rate rises to 9.7 percent, the highest since 1983. Employers cut 216,000 jobs in August. (no link)

And as an aside, average hours worked a week, 33.

It's a party.

Just to put this in context: the unemployment rate rose from 9.4% to 9.7% over the last month.

561 Killian Bundy  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 5:54:11am

re: #552 Walter L. Newton

U.S. unemployment rate rises to 9.7 percent, the highest since 1983. Employers cut 216,000 jobs in August. (no link)

And as an aside, average hours worked a week, 33.

It's a party.

/all praise Obama!

562 VioletTiger  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 5:54:47am

re: #552 Walter L. Newton

U.S. unemployment rate rises to 9.7 percent, the highest since 1983. Employers cut 216,000 jobs in August. (no link)

And as an aside, average hours worked a week, 33.

It's a party.

But but but the VP said the stimulus was working!/

563 opnion  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 5:55:30am

re: #544 BlueCanuck

Actually the part about writing letters on what they can do has been removed from the speech text and probably from the classroom talking points. Happened a couple of days ago.

Good idea. If this enourages kids to stay in school,great.
If they leave the other stuff out even better.

564 Spenser (with an S)  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 5:55:33am

re: #552 Walter L. Newton


And as an aside, average hours worked a week, 33.

Yes, people forget that stat, which is very disturbing. Is that an average between those on unemployment working 0 hours and those working 50-60hrs. or is that just the average of those working? Either way...

565 callahan23  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 5:56:07am

re: #551 SasquatchOnSteroids
My goal for the rest of my day is to take a respite from the weeks chores 'n stress. I did send my few students to a colleague already. A good start.
Next will be to go home early. To clarify: I cover the most stressful courses.

So Lizards I resign for at least the next few hours. See y'all in a while.

566 BlueCanuck  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 5:56:31am

re: #557 SasquatchOnSteroids

I count myself lucky. I may have a reputation for being a cantankerous prick with co-workers, but I also have a reputation for competence. In the security industry up here that's like gold. Needless to say I still work 40 hours a week. Unfortunately due to an unfortunate situation back in March I have lost about $300 a month. The good part is that I am a happier human being.

567 FrogMarch  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 5:56:43am

re: #552 Walter L. Newton

U.S. unemployment rate rises to 9.7 percent, the highest since 1983. Employers cut 216,000 jobs in August. (no link)

And as an aside, average hours worked a week, 33.

It's a party.

But Walter, Joe Biden and the MSM are saying without the stimulus - it would be worse! It's impossible to prove a negative. No matter - feel the magic.

568 opnion  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 5:56:51am

re: #561 Killian Bundy

/all praise Obama!


He 'Jolted" the economy!

569 Mad Al-Jaffee  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 5:57:08am

More Michael Jackson news. People are stupid.

[Link: news.bbc.co.uk...]

570 Ben Hur  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 5:57:37am

NATO airstrike in Afghanistan kills up to 90

KUNDUZ, Afghanistan (AP) - A NATO jet blasted two fuel tankers hijacked by the Taliban in northern Afghanistan, setting off a huge fireball Friday that killed up to 90 people, including dozens of civilians, Afghan officials said.

The NATO command said a "large number of insurgents" were killed or injured in the pre-dawn attack near the village of Omar Khel in the once-calm province of Kunduz. In Brussels, the alliance's chief said it was possible civilians died.

Kunduz Gov. Mohammad Omar said 90 people were killed. A senior Afghan police officer, speaking on condition of anonymity because of the sensitivity of the information, said that included about 40 civilians who were siphoning fuel from the trucks.

It wasn't Israel, so it's OK.

571 yochanan  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 5:57:48am

[Link: www.nypost.com...]

even the washington compost mentioned the story but they were very weak on the charlie hor$e

572 Spenser (with an S)  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 5:58:39am

re: #560 SixDegrees

Just to put this in context: the unemployment rate rose from 9.4% to 9.7% over the last month.

Okay, and for more context, it's 15.6% here in the (D)-controlled, union-rules State of MI.

573 Coracle  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 5:58:45am

re: #561 Killian Bundy

Worst unemployment rate since that do-nothing Reagan was in office? There are worse examples to follow. High 7's by 1984, 6's by 1988.

574 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 5:59:17am

re: #556 VioletTiger

Was it a limerick?

Nope... I still remember the opening line...

John F. Kennedy
Remarkable, young man was he.
At age forty-three
Elected to the Presidency...

Didn't say it was a good song...

575 FrogMarch  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 6:00:08am

Creepy celebrity packed pledge for America Obama.

I think left-wing celebrities should take the income tax rate pledge.
Our government needs money. Celebrities HAVE money.
Come on you smarty-pants celebrities - we can tax you at an 100% rate.
Then, the government can tax us all rich!

576 SasquatchOnSteroids  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 6:00:20am

re: #555 FrogMarch

HI all.

Corruptocrats are scared of little people with video cameras.

"...and you're not gonna tell me how to run my congressional office."

bet he won't have that office next cycle.
Run this, MFer.

577 Mad Al-Jaffee  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 6:00:29am

re: #553 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

My sisters used to sing a song about Kennedy...

Was it St. James Infirmary?

No, wait, that was McKennedy.

578 Killian Bundy  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 6:00:31am

re: #570 Ben Hur

NATO airstrike in Afghanistan kills up to 90

It wasn't Israel, so it's OK.

Sucks to be hanging around with terrorists while they're being vaporized.

/that said, I'm sure we'll be apologizing and cutting checks before the day is out

579 Joshua Cohen  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 6:00:33am

re: #570 Ben Hur

NATO airstrike in Afghanistan kills up to 90

It wasn't Israel, so it's OK.

In fact it looks like the german forces called the airstrike...

580 SasquatchOnSteroids  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 6:00:45am

re: #565 callahan23

My goal for the rest of my day is to take a respite from the weeks chores 'n stress. I did send my few students to a colleague already. A good start.
Next will be to go home early. To clarify: I cover the most stressful courses.

So Lizards I resign for at least the next few hours. See y'all in a while.

Take care, bud.

581 opnion  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 6:00:47am

Later y'all, off to feed the unicorns.

582 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 6:01:18am

re: #562 VioletTiger

But but but the VP said the stimulus was working!/

My ass. Last night, for the first time in my life, I went to a "back to school" night with my "new" stepcritter (first time I had a step-critter and had too). I was amazed at all the "extra" money they were asking for or the family was required to spend.

Where in hell is all the money going, the local tax money, the federal tax money, where is it. We see tax bases and levies go up and up, every year, we see Washington throw money at schools year after year.

Mom told me that 1/2 of all money slated for teachers salary gets taken up in the administrative costs.

Looking over the arts supply list and cost that the kid needs, it's apparent to me that the curriculum is based around what the art vendor is selling them, not what the kid really needs.

I could go on and on (and will in the future)...

Something is broke.

583 FrogMarch  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 6:01:37am

re: #576 SasquatchOnSteroids

"...and you're not gonna tell me how to run my congressional office."

bet he won't have that office next cycle.
Run this, MFer.

These jerks have forgotten who they work for.

584 SixDegrees  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 6:01:50am

re: #572 Spenser (with an S)

Okay, and for more context, it's 15.6% here in the (D)-controlled, union-rules State of MI.

The official rate in Detroit is 28%.

As our governor so loudly proclaimed while running for reelection: "Just wait four more years! You'll be blown away!"

She forgot to mention that we'd be blown into a smoking hole in the ground.

585 BlueCanuck  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 6:01:51am

re: #573 Coracle

Worst unemployment rate since that do-nothing Reagan was in office? There are worse examples to follow. High 7's by 1984, 6's by 1988.

Interesting thing about unemployment rates. Did you know that the normal average of unemployment in a booming economy is 4%? The reason why is that you will always find people quiting for a break, being seasonally laid off, fired for some reason, or just looking for something better. It's amazing what you learn with a good teacher in micro and macro economics.

586 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 6:02:08am

re: #567 FrogMarch

But Walter, Joe Biden and the MSM are saying without the stimulus - it would be worse! It's impossible to prove a negative. No matter - feel the magic.

Poof! They're gone.

587 Mad Al-Jaffee  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 6:02:27am

re: #574 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Son House recorded a blues song about Kennedy after the assassination.

588 lincolntf  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 6:02:32am

Morning all.

Drudge/Yahoo says we're at a 26-year high in unemployment. The polls say that Obama has the second worst numbers for first-termers in recorded history. He could very well be an "all-time worst" contender if he keeps setting new lows.
Maybe that's why he's skipping the soccer Mom's and going straight to the players...

589 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 6:03:23am

re: #587 Mad Al-Jaffee

Son House recorded a blues song about Kennedy after the assassination.

So did Saxon in the '80's.

590 SasquatchOnSteroids  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 6:03:33am

re: #566 BlueCanuck

I count myself lucky. I may have a reputation for being a cantankerous prick with co-workers, but I also have a reputation for competence. In the security industry up here that's like gold. Needless to say I still work 40 hours a week. Unfortunately due to an unfortunate situation back in March I have lost about $300 a month. The good part is that I am a happier human being.

@ $150 less a month for me (big freakin' whoop) and Fridays off.
Most of my $$ isn't in my salary, just have to work smarter and schedule better. Much happier since we negotiated it beginning of this year.

591 Spenser (with an S)  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 6:03:37am

re: #570 Ben Hur

that included about 40 civilians who were siphoning fuel from the trucks.

It wasn't Israel, so it's OK.

Can you even imagine the uproar? 40 civilians.

592 Coracle  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 6:03:50am

re: #588 lincolntf

Second worst behind Reagan. And look how he turned out!

593 Killian Bundy  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 6:03:57am

re: #573 Coracle

Worst unemployment rate since that do-nothing Reagan was in office? There are worse examples to follow. High 7's by 1984, 6's by 1988.

/I'm sorry, Reagan's been dead for quite a while, we're living in 2009 now, and despite Obama's promises and the worthless, yet deficit busting "stimulus", the unemployment rate's headed into double digits

594 BlueCanuck  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 6:04:17am

re: #588 lincolntf

Did they say who the worst first termer was?

595 Ben Hur  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 6:04:22am

Obama, the Mortal

What happened to President Obama? His wax wings having melted, he is the man who fell to earth. What happened to bring his popularity down further than that of any new president in polling history save Gerald Ford (post-Nixon pardon)?

The conventional wisdom is that Obama made a tactical mistake by farming out his agenda to Congress and allowing himself to be pulled left by the doctrinaire liberals of the Democratic congressional leadership. But the idea of Harry Reid and Nancy Pelosi pulling Obama left is quite ridiculous. Where do you think he came from, this friend of Chávista ex-terrorist William Ayers, of PLO apologist Rashid Khalidi, of racialist inciter Jeremiah Wright?

But forget the character witnesses. Just look at Obama's behavior as president, beginning with his first address to Congress. Unbidden, unforced and unpushed by the congressional leadership, Obama gave his most deeply felt vision of America, delivering the boldest social democratic manifesto ever issued by a U.S. president. In American politics, you can't get more left than that speech and still be on the playing field

596 VioletTiger  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 6:04:32am

re: #582 Walter L. Newton

School administration has indeed grown without bounds in some areas. In Jersey they had an idea to combine administration jobs for multiple schools to cut down on the number of those high-priced administrators. Imagine how well that went over.

597 Desert Dog  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 6:06:40am

re: #593 Killian Bundy

/I'm sorry, Reagan's been dead for quite a while, we're living in 2009 now, and despite Obama's promises and the worthless, yet deficit busting "stimulus", the unemployment rate's headed into double digits

Details, deatils, Killian...here, have a glass of KoolAid, you'll see the light...

598 [deleted]  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 6:07:07am
599 Ben Hur  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 6:07:15am

re: #579 Joshua Cohen

In fact it looks like the german forces called the airstrike...

Even better.

Even less credibility.

600 lincolntf  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 6:07:37am

re: #592 Coracle

Reagan? I thought it was the first part of Ford's brief term. I will look it up.
Either way, past is not necessarily prologue. Obama has 3+ years left, I know that. Anything could happen.
But, he has shown no ability at any level to get anything done, ever. Apart from winning votes. They're no reason to think he's better at anything other than that.

601 Ben Hur  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 6:08:11am

bbiaj

602 lincolntf  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 6:08:26am

re: #594 BlueCanuck

Apparently, maybe Reagan. I thought it was Ford. I'm off to re-read/find it.

603 van helsing  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 6:09:27am

re: #582 Walter L. Newton

Mom told me that 1/2 of all money slated for teachers salary gets taken up in the administrative costs.

Administrative costs approach 45% in many districts. There is a lot of paperwork associated with the reporting that has to be done for local, state, and federal regulations.

Bureaucracies doing what they do best: providing jobs for bureaucrats.

BTW, can anyone tell me why we need a federal education department? What exactly do we get for the $60 billion? Budget

604 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 6:10:31am

re: #567 FrogMarch

But Walter, Joe Biden and the MSM are saying without the stimulus - it would be worse! It's impossible to prove a negative. No matter - feel the magic.

Here's the magic I feel. The very liberal producer of the non-profit professional theatre I work for decide, since I moved in with my girlfriend in the mountains, that my expenses would be less.

So, since the economy is so tight, he cut my monthly salary by 60 percent. He says the theatre needs a few financial breaks. I know better.

Now this producer in the past has been like a brother to me, we've known each other a long time and we've work many projects together.

I just went way below the poverty level. Sure, in a sense, he's right, the reduced salary will still cover my obligations in my new family and new location, but, it's the principle of the thing.

Oh, I'm looking, for any work, fast food, what ever, especially up here. I may as well work minimum wage UP HERE, and wind up making the same money I now am at the theatre, and be 3 miles from work.

I'm one of the most loyal people in the world, but this recent change in my employment has really taken my edge off of the loyalty I feel to the theatre or this person.

That's the part that hurts more than anything.

Of course, I keep dinging open positions for programmers every week, but I've been told for every IT job posted, right now there are 250 people applying for the job. And they are not 56 years old.

I'll say it one more time. The money the are handing out is going into the pockets of someone, and it's not getting down here.

Kleptocrats and plutocrats, the whole bunch of them.

605 Coracle  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 6:11:13am

re: #593 Killian Bundy

/I'm sorry, Reagan's been dead for quite a while, we're living in 2009 now, and despite Obama's promises and the worthless, yet deficit busting "stimulus", the unemployment rate's headed into double digits

Maybe so. The 2012 presidential election will run on the same platforms as 1984 "Are you better off now than you were 4 years ago." It is still open which side will get to use that, but I think the Reagan era is the likely template.

606 Kronocide  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 6:11:32am

re: #598 Misfit138

Later Bitches.

Later!

607 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 6:11:36am

re: #588 lincolntf

Morning all.

Drudge/Yahoo says we're at a 26-year high in unemployment. The polls say that Obama has the second worst numbers for first-termers in recorded history. He could very well be an "all-time worst" contender if he keeps setting new lows.
Maybe that's why he's skipping the soccer Mom's and going straight to the players...

Well, how much longer can he tell grown adults that they are not standing in a pile of shit when they can't even see their shoes for the brown stuff?

608 Coracle  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 6:12:09am

re: #598 Misfit138

Double double flounce flounce.

609 Ben Hur  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 6:12:28am

San Francisco March To Demand Congressional Inquiry Of 911

Tuesday, January 8th, 2002, at noon at Justin Herman Plaza, people will gather to march up Market Street to the office of Senator Feinstein (at Post St.) where a delegation will meet with the Senator's staff to raise their concerns over the "War on Terrorism." They will demand that the Senate launch an inquiry or hearings of the events of 9-11, and the U.S. government's international and domestic response.

The 9-11 disaster has been used to justify a "War on Terrorism" which endangers the lives and liberties of millions of people everywhere. The U.S. bombing of Afghanistan has killed thousands of civilians; millions of Afghans have been displaced and face starvation this winter. The administration has condoned massive Israeli assaults on Palestine, and threatens to attack Iraq, Lebanon, Somalia, and other countries. Recent legislation is an attack on constitutionally guaranteed civil liberties, especially those of immigrants and people of color. The laws are mirrored in other countries which are outlawing dissent and increasing political repression. The administration has institutionalized racial profiling and is secretly rounding up thousands of Arab Americans and other people of Middle Eastern background. At the same time, it is giving billions to the military, offering huge bailouts and tax incentives to corporations and the wealthy, while ignoring the hundreds of thousands of laid off workers, and cutting social services. This appears to be part of a long-range strategy to turn the clock back on the hard earned gains of the civil rights', womens', and environmental movements, to consolidate U.S. global domination, and to serve the interests of transnational corporations.

The delegates come from many organizations concerned about peace, justice, human rights, civil rights and the environment. Included among them are Kevin Danaher- Global Exchange, Carmen Hartono - Women's International Peace Imperative, Riva Enteen - National Lawyer's Guild, Ed Rippy- East Bay Peace Action, Cecile Pineda- East Bay Coalition Against the War, Carol Brouillet- Women's International League for Peace and Freedom, a representative of Veteran's for Peace.

"The media and Congress have failed to question the most basic White House' statements concerning the events of September 11th and the Bush administration's response. While the attacks are used to justify the bombing of Afghanistan, the administration is clearly more interested in controlling the oil resources of Central Asia than in "ridding the world of terrorism or terrorists" which it has funded, trained, and used for decades through the C.I.A.. We have to hold the U.S. government accountable for its role in creating terrorists and using terrorism against other countries. "True security can't be purchased or bought with guards and weapons; it lies in healthy, equitable, social relationships and is dependent upon an intact ecosystem. War begets war, and threatens the viability of life on Earth. Renouncing a doomed foreign policy and shifting our resources towards rescuing people and planet is our hope for 'a future.'" said organizer, Carol Brouillet of Women's international League for Peace and Freedom.



To be continued...

610 Ben Hur  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 6:13:11am
The delegation will demand that these questions (and others) be raised and answered publicly-

Who created, trained and funded the Al Qaeda Network? What is the relationship between Bin Laden, his family and the Bush family and the Carlyle Group? Why were no fighter planes dispatched to intercept the four hijacked planes on September 11h , in violation of standard procedures? Who actually was in control of the "hijacked planes"? What is the U.S. relationship with Pakistan, and especially with its intelligence service, the ISI? Why did the then director of the ISI have $100,000 transferred to the man whom the FBI now calls the ringleader of the Sept. 11th attacks, and why does the U.S. not pursue this question? Did the CIA have foreknowledge of the attack, who tried to profit with put options on American, United, Merrill Lynch stock just before the attack? Why were the FBI told to not investigate the Bin Laden family links in the US? If the CIA met with Bin Laden last July, why didn't they try to arrest him? If the US is serious about ridding the world of terrorism, why do we continue to fund and train terrorists? Why are we bombing Afghanistan, when none of the alleged bombers actually came from there, could there be another reason for our presence in that region, like oil? Is the war against Afghanistan illegal? What are Bush's, Cheney's and Rice's connections to the oil industry? What are Bush's and Cheney's connections to the drug industry? Why is the evidence being destroyed when an investigation of the World Trade Center collapse is needed? Why seal Presidential records? Why intimidate professors from speaking out against this war? Why has the U.S. military been establishing working relations with the Uzbek military for several years? What other military involvement does the U.S. have in the Central Asian Republics? Why are U.S. military personnel or material assistance going to the Philippines, Indonesia, and Colombia as well? What relationship did various U.S. agencies and their contractors have with the Taliban, either directly or through Pakistani or Saudi agencies or contractors? Why does the U.S. overlook Pakistani drug lords who refine and export half to two-thirds of the world,s heroin despite its avowed determination to rid the world of drugs? Why has the Dept. of Justice stopped its investigation of the Bank of Credit and Commerce International despite its admitted heavy involvement in laundering drug money?

Some of the questions are answered in part in articles posted on the internet, which have been compiled and printed out for Senator Feinstein and her staff , links to the questions and answers are posted at [Link: www.communitycurrency.org...]

continues...

611 Desert Dog  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 6:13:15am

re: #603 van helsing

Administrative costs approach 45% in many districts. There is a lot of paperwork associated with the reporting that has to be done for local, state, and federal regulations.

Bureaucracies doing what they do best: providing jobs for bureaucrats.

BTW, can anyone tell me why we need a federal education department? What exactly do we get for the $60 billion? Budget

Phoenix schools are set up pretty odd. All of the little elementary districts eat up so much money, it's not even funny. Some of the little fiefdoms only have 2 or 3 schools. Yet, they have the full administrative staff. Schools need administrative staffs to function. But, it seems the local districts are more concerned with expanding that segment rather than put more into the classrooms.

612 rain of lead  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 6:13:51am

mornin lizards
early in the thread we learned that littleoldlady was (rightly) banned for posting at the stalker blog

sigh, so sad when good lizards go bad.

saying goodbye to fruitcup.

TAPS

613 SixDegrees  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 6:14:12am

re: #600 lincolntf

Reagan? I thought it was the first part of Ford's brief term. I will look it up.
Either way, past is not necessarily prologue. Obama has 3+ years left, I know that. Anything could happen.
But, he has shown no ability at any level to get anything done, ever. Apart from winning votes. They're no reason to think he's better at anything other than that.

"Getting something done" - in this case, lowering unemployment - works against the Administration's current agenda, which is focused solely on getting socialized health care in place. High unemployment actually helps the Administration toward this goal - people who are unemployed or in fear of losing their jobs are more likely to support a proposal to provide them with health care through some other source.

I doubt that the Administration is actively trying to boost unemployment, but it doesn't work to their advantage to lower it at the moment, and it's unlikely you'll see them try very hard to do so. It's in their best interest for people to continue losing their jobs right now.

They'll be more interested in doing something about this once health care gets passed (it was supposed to be passed already, but the Blue Dogs scotched those plans) or when the 2010 election cycle gets into full swing and the Dems start taking heat over the continuing high rates. Then you'll see another big chunk of the stimulus package - of which less than 20% has actually been spent on anything - suddenly hit the economy.

614 Ben Hur  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 6:14:33am
Organizing Committee (organizations listed for identification purposes only):
Jan Adams, former associate director, Applied Research Center
Linda Burnham, executive director, Women of Color Resource Center
Max Elbaum, former managing editor, CrossRoads magazine
Adam Gold, STORM
Rebecca Gordon, Seminarians for Peace
Felicia Gustin, co-director, Speak Out
Van Jones, national executive director, Ella Baker Center for Human Rights
Elizabeth (Betita) Martinez, director, Institute for MultiRacial Justice
Steve Williams, executive director, POWER
Bob Wing, former executive editor, ColorLines magazine
Initial SF Bay Area Endorsers (organizations listed for identification
purposes only). National endorsers list in formation:
American-Arab Anti-Discrimination Committee-San Francisco Chapter
Frances Beal, national secretary, Black Radical Congress
Robert Chlala, Students for Justice in Palestine
Jung-hee Choi, Women of Color Resource Center
Malkia Cyril, We Interrupt This Message
Gary Delgado, executive director, Applied Research Center
Antonio Diaz, executive director, PODER
Hari Dillon, president, Vanguard Foundation
Roxanne Dunbar-Ortiz, Indigenous World
Michael Eisenscher, Labor Committee for Peace and Justice
Arnoldo Garcia, National Network for Immigrant and Refugee Rights
Fred Goff, Data Center
Francisco Herrera, singer and activist
Phil Hutchings, racial justice activist
Yuri Kochiyama, activist
Gerald Lenoir, board member, HIV Education and Prevention Project of
Alameda County
Yolanda Lopez, visual artist
Miriam Ching Louie, activist and author of Sweatshop Warriors
Barbara Lubin, executive director, Middle East Childrens Alliance
Sharon Martinas, Challenging White Supremacy Workshops
Gus Newport, former Mayor of Berkeley
Peter Olney, Institute for Labor and Employment
Eric Quezada, Mission District organizer
Colin Rajah, executive director, Just Act
Adrienne Rich, poet
Wilson Riles, former City Councilperson and progressive Oakland Mayoral
candidate
Helen Zia, author

2002.

Via Gateway,etc, so, you know.

615 Joshua Cohen  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 6:15:08am

re: #599 Ben Hur

Even better.

Depends.
2 Weeks until election in Germany...such a disaster could lead to retreat of most European forces.
Not that Afghanistan is not enough disputed over there.

They will scream bloody massacre in 3...2...1...

616 Desert Dog  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 6:15:39am

re: #605 Coracle

Maybe so. The 2012 presidential election will run on the same platforms as 1984 "Are you better off now than you were 4 years ago." It is still open which side will get to use that, but I think the Reagan era is the likely template.

He'll lose bad if that's his platform. He won't be able to roll out the Hope and Change either. He needs to get the economy going or he will be the next Jimmah. I hope he is too.

617 Dreader1962  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 6:15:43am

re: #598 Misfit138

"Please, delete me - let me go..."

618 Kronocide  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 6:15:56am

re: #610 Ben Hur

Dude... DUUUDE! Bush/Carlyle/CIA/Bin Laden is so 2003.

619 MacDuff  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 6:16:40am

re: #607 Walter L. Newton

As long as they continue to listen.

620 Spenser (with an S)  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 6:17:13am

re: #604 Walter L. Newton

Crap, I'm sorry. This was a fall-back position for you too wasn't it? From your previous life?

621 FrogMarch  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 6:17:29am

re: #604 Walter L. Newton

Hey Walter. I'm sorry to hear about the theater owner cutting your pay. Tell him you need to have him re-up-it to pay for the extra travel time. didn't you live near-by before?
It's tough out there. We are all now competing for the same jobs.
Bill Ritter says we can all work for the "new energy economy".

622 SixDegrees  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 6:17:58am

re: #614 Ben Hur

See downstairs - refuted multiple times, for the very good reason that the source is a Troofer site, normally a seething pack of lies that no one would accept anything from.

623 Ben Hur  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 6:18:07am

re: #615 Joshua Cohen

Depends.
2 Weeks until election in Germany...such a disaster could lead to retreat of most European forces.
Not that Afghanistan is not enough disputed over there.

They will scream bloody massacre in 3...2...1...

Euro-hypocrisy extraordinaire.

Israel should come out condemning the killings of civilians on both sides.

624 van helsing  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 6:18:09am

re: #602 lincolntf

Apparently, maybe Reagan. I thought it was Ford. I'm off to re-read/find it.

Unemployment table DOL 1971 to date

625 Desert Dog  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 6:18:48am

re: #621 FrogMarch

Hey Walter. I'm sorry to hear about the theater owner cutting your pay. Tell him you need to have him re-up-it to pay for the extra travel time. didn't you live near-by before?
It's tough out there. We are all now competing for the same jobs.
Bill Ritter says we can all work for the "new energy economy".

I think all these new "green" jobs really mean we will all be living in the park and sleeping on the grass.

626 Killian Bundy  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 6:19:10am

You want to jump start and stimulate the economy out of a recession? CUT THE CORPORATE AND CAPITAL GAINS TAX RATES!

But nooo, cutting taxes is bad! You know, policies that actually spur investment and create jobs.

/instead, we spend hundreds of billions of dollars on [expletive deleted] worthless [expletive deleted] like frozen ham, turtle crossings, and outhouses in national parks

627 Ben Hur  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 6:19:38am

re: #622 SixDegrees

See downstairs - refuted multiple times, for the very good reason that the source is a Troofer site, normally a seething pack of lies that no one would accept anything from.

Aint dat the troof.

This in another petition.

Just putting it out there because I saw it.

Gave a half disclaimer.

628 FrogMarch  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 6:19:56am

re: #625 Desert Dog

I think all these new "green" jobs really mean we will all be living in the park and sleeping on the grass.

I have my place all picked out. And a nice cardboard box too. I hope we park dwellers can unionize.

/Lord help us.

629 Joshua Cohen  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 6:20:03am

re: #623 Ben Hur

Israel should come out condemning the killings of civilians on both sides.

Would require a kind of PR strategy we do not have.

630 3 wood  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 6:20:08am

Good morning.

U.S. unemployment rate jumps to 26-year high of 9.7%
Nonfarm payrolls fall 216,000 in August, 20th consecutive monthly decline


The U.S. unemployment rate jumped to a 26-year high of 9.7% in August as nonfarm payrolls fell by 216,000, the 20th consecutive monthly decline, the Labor Department estimated Friday.

U.S. payrolls have dropped by 6.9 million to a total of 131.2 million since the recession began in December 2007, the government data showed. Unemployment has increased by 7.4 million during the recession to stand at 14.9 million.

The employment picture continues to deteriorate as jobs are being destroyed still at high rates. Get ready to start hearing about a 2nd stimulus plan again.


Total hours worked in the economy dropped by 0.3%, long-term unemployment worsened, and the number of people working just part time who want full-time work reached 9.1 million, up 278,000.

The number of people who've been out of work longer than six months nudged up to 5 million, representing about one-third of the unemployed.

An alternative measure of unemployment that includes discouraged workers and those forced to resort to part-time work rose to 16.8% from 16.3%, marking the highest on record dating back to 1995.

In addition to this , as many as 1.3 million unemployed will run out of benefits by the end of the year.

Have you had enough of the hope and change yet?

631 SasquatchOnSteroids  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 6:20:52am

re: #625 Desert Dog

I think all these new "green" jobs really mean we will all be living in the park and sleeping on the grass.

Van Jones, your Green Czar. His own words.

632 MacDuff  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 6:21:19am

re: #613 SixDegrees

Well, that's a pretty cynical outlook, though I think you are pretty close to the truth.

633 Ben Hur  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 6:21:27am

Navin R Johnson is from the Jerk.

634 VioletTiger  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 6:21:36am

re: #604 Walter L. Newton

Sorry to hear that Walter. I hope things turn out better for you.

635 Kronocide  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 6:21:40am

re: #631 SasquatchOnSteroids

I think Van Jones is an asshole.

636 BlueCanuck  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 6:22:18am

re: #612 rain of lead

mornin lizards
early in the thread we learned that littleoldlady was (rightly) banned for posting at the stalker blog

sigh, so sad when good lizards go bad.

saying goodbye to fruitcup.

TAPS

I was actually talking to her last night. She was shocked and apalled to find out that she was banned, and accussed of posting on the stalker blog.
This is what she sent to me on Facebook yesterday morning at 0846

Subject: Probably a "permanent break" ;-)
How're you, Blue? Thanks for thinking of me! :-)
Love,
The poster formerly known as "littleoldlady"

637 Ben Hur  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 6:22:51am

re: #629 Joshua Cohen

Would require a kind of PR strategy BEITZIM we do not have.

638 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 6:22:52am

re: #621 FrogMarch

Hey Walter. I'm sorry to hear about the theater owner cutting your pay. Tell him you need to have him re-up-it to pay for the extra travel time. didn't you live near-by before?
It's tough out there. We are all now competing for the same jobs.
Bill Ritter says we can all work for the "new energy economy".

Sure, as most know, I was laid off from the "new energy economy" in 2004 after 13 years at the National Renewable Energy Lab.

Travel time was one of the things he was complaining about. I am now 35 minutes from the theatre instead of 5, and he said I won't be able to get to the theatre quick enough in case of emergencies, like when he forgets a meeting he has and I have to run down there and cover for him, or when he forgets until the last minute that some vendor is going to deliver something he ordered.

Really.

639 Spenser (with an S)  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 6:23:30am

re: #625 Desert Dog


re: #621 FrogMarch

Hey Walter. I'm sorry to hear about the theater owner cutting your pay. Tell him you need to have him re-up-it to pay for the extra travel time. didn't you live near-by before?
It's tough out there. We are all now competing for the same jobs.
Bill Ritter says we can all work for the "new energy economy".

I think all these new "green" jobs really mean we will all be living in the park and sleeping on the grass.

You know, that cracks me up. We've had a few decent "green jobs" created here in MI and I'm sure we'll get some more, but when you remember all the millions of men and women who made a living making cars, pouring off the assembly-lines, creating a whole culture and lifestyle and then imagine these new jobs even barely filling a small piece of that hole, it is so sad, it's funny.

640 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 6:23:38am

re: #628 FrogMarch

I have my place all picked out. And a nice cardboard box too. I hope we park dwellers can unionize.

/Lord help us.

I don't do wet cardboard.

641 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 6:24:06am

re: #598 Misfit138
You could've said this and gotten an up-ding from me.

I so badly want that for someone's flounce.

642 yochanan  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 6:24:20am

re: #626 Killian Bundy

You want to jump start and stimulate the economy out of a recession? CUT THE CORPORATE AND CAPITAL GAINS TAX RATES!

But nooo, cutting taxes is bad! You know, policies that actually spur investment and create jobs.

/instead, we spend hundreds of billions of dollars on [expletive deleted] worthless [expletive deleted] like frozen ham, turtle crossings, and outhouses in national parks

YOU FORGOT THE BUGGY WHIPS

643 Desert Dog  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 6:24:41am

re: #631 SasquatchOnSteroids

Van Jones, your Green Czar. His own words.

Yes, That darn grey capitalism! What has it brought us? Nothing! I want my government provided green job! Where is it!?!
/

644 Mad Al-Jaffee  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 6:25:15am

re: #633 Ben Hur

The new phone book's here! The new phone book's here!

645 Coracle  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 6:25:43am

re: #631 SasquatchOnSteroids

Powerline buys that he's a troofer.

646 lincolntf  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 6:25:53am

As for the approval ratings thing, there are generally 3 numbers/comparisons out there. First 100 days, after 1 year and "on this date" however many years ago on the date of the article. You'll see a mixture of Reagan, Ford and Clinton in those three slots depending on which category/source you're looking at.

647 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 6:26:07am

re: #644 Mad Al-Jaffee

The new phone book's here! The new phone book's here!

"He hates these cans! Stay away from the cans!'

648 3 wood  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 6:26:11am

re: #604 Walter L. Newton

I'm one of the most loyal people in the world, but this recent change in my employment has really taken my edge off of the loyalty I feel to the theatre or this person.

I'm so sorry to hear that. I'm on a 3 month temporary assignment till my position is completely eliminated, but I got told basically to get lost meanwhile, so I'm staying home and looking for other work.

It will be interesting to hear our progressive friends here tell us how the recession is over and things have turned around.

649 Spenser (with an S)  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 6:26:19am

re: #630 3 wood

re: #630 3 wood

Have you had enough of the hope and change yet?

Yes. Yes, I have. 3wood, do you know if the avg. hours worked number of 33hrs. is an average of those working 0 and those working 60 hrs./week or is it just those working?

650 SurferDoc  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 6:26:21am

re: #607 Walter L. Newton

Well, how much longer can he tell grown adults that they are not standing in a pile of shit when they can't even see their shoes for the brown stuff?

He can keep telling them forever but they stopped listening around August 1.

651 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 6:26:39am

re: #634 VioletTiger

Sorry to hear that Walter. I hope things turn out better for you.

And as an aside. I'm keeping the job, and a smile on my face, until something else comes up.

In the past, I would be more worried about the business, what we could do to make things better, you know, all the loyalty and honesty stuff. Not now, I really don't care.

During our little discussion about my new salary and all the "problems" with the budget, he told me I am the most honest and loyal person he ever met, but that's not my job to be honest and loyal, my only job is to make him look better.

I've never seen him act this way.

652 BlueCanuck  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 6:27:07am

re: #636 BlueCanuck

Oh, yeah and four minutes later:

I WAS BLOCKED?! I never posted anywhere else, nor did I do one of those "goodbye" posts

I don't know the whole reasoning behind it or what was going on. I just giving information that was passed on to me.

653 SasquatchOnSteroids  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 6:27:36am

re: #645 Coracle

Powerline buys that he's a troofer.

So ?
Does that negate my post ?

I don't care if Van Jones is a troofer.

I care about what he said in that vid.

654 VioletTiger  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 6:27:55am

re: #636 BlueCanuck

Was it really her or just somebody using her nic?

655 SixDegrees  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 6:28:07am

re: #632 MacDuff

Well, that's a pretty cynical outlook, though I think you are pretty close to the truth.

Politicians work to further their agendas, and they're happy to take advantage of circumstances outside of their own control. High unemployment makes health care nationalization easier, so the Administration isn't going to be motivated to lower it while health care is still being fought. And the downside of high unemployment - voter blowback at the polls - isn't a concern for at least a couple more months, when the midterms get underway, so there's even less incentive to bring the rates down.

It's not that they're actively seeking higher unemployment rates. It's that they're content to leave things as they are, and aren't going to expend much energy toward bringing the rates down because it doesn't serve their purpose.

656 SasquatchOnSteroids  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 6:28:19am

re: #643 Desert Dog

Yes, That darn grey capitalism! What has it brought us? Nothing! I want my government provided green job! Where is it!?!
/

Here's a slab of cheese while we get to that.

657 Kronocide  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 6:28:28am

Question for Van Jones: if the government was responsible for 9/11 and it's cover up, why do you work for it?

Patiently awaiting your reply.

Regards, Just Sayin.

658 Cato  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 6:28:34am
659 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 6:28:57am

re: #653 SasquatchOnSteroids

So ?
Does that negate my post ?

I don't care if Van Jones is a troofer.

I care about what he said in that vid.

But that's when he was younger. People say all kinds of things when they are younger and then stop believing it.
///

660 3 wood  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 6:29:06am

re: #640 Walter L. Newton

Hey Walter, I was just thinking, can you get your theatre "friend" to move you back to the full amount and then just terminate you? Cause your unemployment benefits will be higher without the 60% cut.

661 FrogMarch  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 6:29:29am

re: #638 Walter L. Newton

Sure, as most know, I was laid off from the "new energy economy" in 2004 after 13 years at the National Renewable Energy Lab.

Travel time was one of the things he was complaining about. I am now 35 minutes from the theatre instead of 5, and he said I won't be able to get to the theatre quick enough in case of emergencies, like when he forgets a meeting he has and I have to run down there and cover for him, or when he forgets until the last minute that some vendor is going to deliver something he ordered.

Really.

You spoiled him for too long. Now - he's angry that you've moved on.
Sounds like he's a little pissed that you have a new life. I'd say "screw him" - but at least it's a job.

662 BlueCanuck  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 6:29:36am

re: #654 VioletTiger

Was it really her or just somebody using her nic?

Her nic was never used over there at all. I donned my hazmat suit and went looking. Believe it or not when they found out they were pretty shocked as well.

/much showering was required later on...

663 3 wood  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 6:29:47am

re: #649 Spenser (with an S)

Yes. Yes, I have. 3wood, do you know if the avg. hours worked number of 33hrs. is an average of those working 0 and those working 60 hrs./week or is it just those working?

It's an average of those working.

664 KenJen  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 6:29:59am

re: #657 BigPapa

Question for Van Jones: if the government was responsible for 9/11 and it's cover up, why do you work for it?

Patiently awaiting your reply.

Regards, Just Sayin.

"Listen you republican a-hole. That was Bush's fault"-Van Jones.

665 VioletTiger  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 6:30:17am

re: #651 Walter L. Newton

You're a better man than he is, and I suspect he knows it.

666 Kronocide  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 6:30:21am

re: #651 Walter L. Newton

During our little discussion about my new salary and all the "problems" with the budget, he told me I am the most honest and loyal person he ever met, but that's not my job to be honest and loyal, my only job is to make him look better.

Did he honestly say that? Wow.

667 3 wood  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 6:31:08am

re: #626 Killian Bundy

You want to jump start and stimulate the economy out of a recession? CUT THE CORPORATE AND CAPITAL GAINS TAX RATES!

I've been saying for a year to cut the capital gains rate to zero for at least 2 years. But that would not fit in with the agenda to punish success.

668 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 6:32:03am

re: #660 3 wood

Hey Walter, I was just thinking, can you get your theatre "friend" to move you back to the full amount and then just terminate you? Cause your unemployment benefits will be higher without the 60% cut.

No, he was clever about this (or I was stupid), he got me to change my status to 1099, so the cut wouldn't be such a hit. He told me I would probably not have to pay taxes since my salary is below poverty level.

So, in a sense, I guess I quit, he didn't fire me. And no, he won't change that, he would still have to pay part of the unemployment benefit and he would really ruffle at paying out for someone he doesn't even have doing anything for him.

669 Spenser (with an S)  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 6:32:12am

re: #663 3 wood

re: #649 Spenser (with an S)

Yes. Yes, I have. 3wood, do you know if the avg. hours worked number of 33hrs. is an average of those working 0 and those working 60 hrs./week or is it just those working?

It's an average of those working.

Wow. Then that is an even more depressing stat. This is what I used to make fun of my European friends for. Used to call even the full-time ones "Part-timers".

670 MacDuff  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 6:32:56am

re: #655 SixDegrees

We don't oft agree, but on this issue, we're on the same page.

671 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 6:33:28am

re: #666 BigPapa

Did he honestly say that? Wow.

Swear to it. It shocked me too.

672 turn  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 6:34:32am

That Van Jones is a lying sack. heh, this guy signed the truther statement too:

For the list of other idots who signed:
[Link: www.911truth.org...]

oh, morning all. sup?

673 Desert Dog  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 6:34:33am

re: #653 SasquatchOnSteroids

So ?
Does that negate my post ?

I don't care if Van Jones is a troofer.

I care about what he said in that vid.

That would just be the cherry on top of that shit sundae if it's true. He is reflective of what our Dear Leader believes. Look at Obama's choices for his advisors. There is no middle ground with this man. He is farther left than any President in my lifetime and maybe ever.

As far as Van goes, he "was" a commie, but not know. He signed the statement, but he didn't mean it. He wants that pesky capitalism to be replaced with some make believe system powered by unicorn farts and rainbow dust. We are screwed if this guy and his boss get even half of what.

674 SasquatchOnSteroids  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 6:35:17am

re: #659 Walter L. Newton

But that's when he was younger. People say all kinds of things when they are younger and then stop believing it.
///

Right around Nov 5 2008 is when it happened, I remember that day well...

/

675 SurferDoc  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 6:35:27am

re: #668 Walter L. Newton

No, he was clever about this (or I was stupid), he got me to change my status to 1099, so the cut wouldn't be such a hit. He told me I would probably not have to pay taxes since my salary is below poverty level.

So, in a sense, I guess I quit, he didn't fire me. And no, he won't change that, he would still have to pay part of the unemployment benefit and he would really ruffle at paying out for someone he doesn't even have doing anything for him.

So he punished you for moving and becoming less available?

676 KenJen  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 6:36:15am

re: #672 turn

That Van Jones is a lying sack. heh, this guy signed the truther statement too:

For the list of other idots who signed:
[Link: www.911truth.org...]

oh, morning all. sup?

Morning turn. Looks like your back to normal.

677 SixDegrees  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 6:36:18am

re: #639 Spenser (with an S)

You know, that cracks me up. We've had a few decent "green jobs" created here in MI and I'm sure we'll get some more, but when you remember all the millions of men and women who made a living making cars, pouring off the assembly-lines, creating a whole culture and lifestyle and then imagine these new jobs even barely filling a small piece of that hole, it is so sad, it's funny.

For what it's worth, the automotive manufacturing industry in Michigan has been in steep decline for over thirty years. During that entire time, state government has managed to do exactly nothing to move beyond dependence on this single industry, despite year after year after year of warnings and ongoing contractions.

Other former rust belt cities have long since moved beyond their past and reinvented themselves - Cleveland and Pittsburgh, formerly the toilets of the midwest along with Detroit, are still in trouble, but are definitely on the upswing in terms of new business, renovation and livability. Michigan, meanwhile, continues to wring it's hands over the Good Old Days, and seems intent on ignoring the fact that those days are long past and gone forever - they're not ever coming back. Never.

The sooner Detroit accepts the fact that a rebirth is impossible, and starts creating itself anew without reference to it's past, the sooner it will begin to move out of the cesspool it's mired itself in. The same can be said for much of Michigan.

The Age of Manufacturing, as represented by Flint, the Ford Rouge Plant and other locations, is over. And it's been over for years. Time to stop pining for it and find something else to do.

678 rightside  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 6:36:33am

re: #652 BlueCanuck

Hmmm, something very fishy going on.

679 turn  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 6:36:41am

sometimes I feel like I'm almost gone ... rocking out

680 FrogMarch  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 6:36:58am

re: #639 Spenser (with an S)

You know, that cracks me up. We've had a few decent "green jobs" created here in MI and I'm sure we'll get some more, but when you remember all the millions of men and women who made a living making cars, pouring off the assembly-lines, creating a whole culture and lifestyle and then imagine these new jobs even barely filling a small piece of that hole, it is so sad, it's funny.

Hundreds of thousands of us can all make wind turbines. right? no? wait...

681 turn  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 6:36:59am

way way from my home yeah ...

682 turn  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 6:37:33am

clap your hands, clap your hands. yeah yeah

683 turn  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 6:37:47am

telephone in my heart ...

684 3 wood  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 6:37:51am

re: #671 Walter L. Newton

Swear to it. It shocked me too.

Pressure does strange things to some people. You need to get out of there.

685 turn  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 6:38:01am

mothers sisters yeah yeah

686 lincolntf  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 6:38:31am

re: #655 SixDegrees

And because of their hubris, they will overlook all of the many other consequences that come with their inattention to improving the employment picture. Those unintended consequences will eventually catch up to, and overwhelm, them. The Lefty constructs they are trying desperately to build will crumble, putting the current radicals in DC out of Office.
A new era of prosperity will begin as a direct and immediate result of their absence.

687 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 6:38:42am

re: #673 Desert Dog

That would just be the cherry on top of that shit sundae if it's true. He is reflective of what our Dear Leader believes. Look at Obama's choices for his advisors. There is no middle ground with this man. He is farther left than any President in my lifetime and maybe ever.

As far as Van goes, he "was" a commie, but not know. He signed the statement, but he didn't mean it. He wants that pesky capitalism to be replaced with some make believe system powered by unicorn farts and rainbow dust. We are screwed if this guy and his boss get even half of what.

Ok, after all the debating on this topic yesterday, I don't see how in the world you can accuse Van Jones of anything, especially in regards to the 9/11 thing.

Haven't you heard, you can't trust the Truthers, anything Van Jones said in the past was some youthful indiscretions and he has changed, he is just some small time czar and has no pull in the administration, Van Jones hasn't admitted to anything and ABC, the Truthers, The Washington Times and any other source is lying.

Why does this topic keep coming up? It's been settle, right here.
///

688 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 6:39:06am

re: #674 SasquatchOnSteroids

Right around Nov 5 2008 is when it happened, I remember that day well...

/

See, he was younger.
/

689 turn  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 6:39:07am

re: #676 KenJen

Morning turn. Looks like your back to normal.

{jen} hey I followed your comments yesterday a bit. How the heck did you end up slicing your finger? ouch!

690 KenJen  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 6:39:17am

re: #681 turn

way way from my home yeah ...

re: #682 turn

clap your hands, clap your hands. yeah yeah

re: #683 turn

telephone in my heart ...

Well at least your avatar is back to normal./

691 Desert Dog  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 6:39:36am

re: #663 3 wood

It's an average of those working.

I own my own company. I have always worked long hours, but now it is getting pretty bad. My business is a 24/7 operation and I have laid off my night guy. I am now the new "night guy". So, after working 10-12 hours during the day, if a call comes in at 1am, I am the one taking it. And, in another cost saving action, I have taken over the oncall duties on the weekends as well. I have not had a real day off in 8 months. Survival is what I am hoping to achieve this year. Profits? That is something I have not seen much of since this time last year.

I do not see anything coming from Washington that addresses the poor business climate in this country, nothing. In fact, it is just the opposite.

692 SurferDoc  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 6:39:57am

Any bets that Van Jones will be getting End of Life Counseling today?

693 3 wood  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 6:40:21am

re: #668 Walter L. Newton

No, he was clever about this (or I was stupid), he got me to change my status to 1099, so the cut wouldn't be such a hit. He told me I would probably not have to pay taxes since my salary is below poverty level.

Yeah, he's been conning you for a while my friend. He screwed you but good.

Get out of there as fast as you can.

694 Spenser (with an S)  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 6:40:49am

re: #677 SixDegrees

Time to stop pining for it and find something else to do.

I'm not pining for it, neither me nor anyone in my family has ever worked for the industry. I'm over on the "good" side of the state ;) I just can't picture a solar-cell and windmill industry ever employing a 10th of that amount of workers.

695 SasquatchOnSteroids  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 6:41:27am

re: #673 Desert Dog

That would just be the cherry on top of that shit sundae if it's true. He is reflective of what our Dear Leader believes. Look at Obama's choices for his advisors. There is no middle ground with this man. He is farther left than any President in my lifetime and maybe ever.

As far as Van goes, he "was" a commie, but not know. He signed the statement, but he didn't mean it. He wants that pesky capitalism to be replaced with some make believe system powered by unicorn farts and rainbow dust. We are screwed if this guy and his boss get even half of what.

What troubles me is this idea that we're supposed to 'name one thing he's done so far'.
OK, I'm supposed to let them fuck it all up to hell before I have any credibility. THEN we can talk about it ?

9 trillion in the red, the macheen wants moremoremore but what has he done lately ?

Allrighty then.

696 turn  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 6:41:40am

re: #690 KenJen

Well at least your avatar is back to normal./

Yeah, I changed it back. BDVM was the only one who noticed for like two weeks. Jen, what's it like to have a panic attack?

697 Spenser (with an S)  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 6:42:12am

re: #687 Walter L. Newton

OK, I saw the /// just in time.

698 lincolntf  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 6:42:16am

re: #692 SurferDoc

Reminds me (sorta) of a line that columnist Howie Carr uses a lot.

"Senator So-and-So left politics because of health reasons. The voters got sick of him."

699 Desert Dog  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 6:42:25am

re: #687 Walter L. Newton

Ok, after all the debating on this topic yesterday, I don't see how in the world you can accuse Van Jones of anything, especially in regards to the 9/11 thing.

Haven't you heard, you can't trust the Truthers, anything Van Jones said in the past was some youthful indiscretions and he has changed, he is just some small time czar and has no pull in the administration, Van Jones hasn't admitted to anything and ABC, the Truthers, The Washington Times and any other source is lying.

Why does this topic keep coming up? It's been settle, right here.
///


My bad, Walter...I forgot about all of that. I guess Van is actually a great guy, working to convert our outdated and mean economic system with a nicer and sweeter eco-economy...please forgive me

700 KenJen  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 6:43:28am

re: #689 turn

{jen} hey I followed your comments yesterday a bit. How the heck did you end up slicing your finger? ouch!

Opening up a package with a dull box cutter. I basically filleted the top of my ring finger.

701 3 wood  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 6:44:14am

re: #691 Desert Dog

I own my own company. I have always worked long hours, but now it is getting pretty bad. My business is a 24/7 operation and I have laid off my night guy. I am now the new "night guy". So, after working 10-12 hours during the day, if a call comes in at 1am, I am the one taking it. And, in another cost saving action, I have taken over the oncall duties on the weekends as well. I have not had a real day off in 8 months. Survival is what I am hoping to achieve this year. Profits? That is something I have not seen much of since this time last year.

Your first sentence is what your problem is according to this administration.

You need to be punished cause you employed people, you created commerce and you created income, all of that is bad in Obama's world where all good things come from the government.

702 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 6:44:22am

re: #693 3 wood

Yeah, he's been conning you for a while my friend. He screwed you but good. Get out of there as fast as you can.

He was a BIG Obama supporter. Now I hear nothing from him about the One. I see a general "fuck it all" attitude coming from him I never saw before. I don't know if it is related. But before, it was Obama 24/7.

Now, I can't even get a passing word on politics from him.

703 Spenser (with an S)  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 6:44:23am

re: #691 Desert Dog

"But... you don't work hard, you own the business! You reap what others sow!"

///!!!

704 Mad Al-Jaffee  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 6:45:44am

re: #700 KenJen

A box cutter? Right! Everyone knows that box cutters can't hurt people! Admit that the Bush Administration used their secret alien death rays to cut your finger!

//

705 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 6:46:17am

re: #699 Desert Dog

My bad, Walter...I forgot about all of that. I guess Van is actually a great guy, working to convert our outdated and mean economic system with a nicer and sweeter eco-economy...please forgive me

Ok, but you have to do a little penance, bite off two fingers and write Van Jones a nice letter and say how much you feel the love.

706 turn  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 6:46:31am

re: #700 KenJen

Opening up a package with a dull box cutter. I basically filleted the top of my ring finger.

dull? ouch! I fell though a sliding glass door one time, still have a scar about half the length of my right thumb. People here sure think Beck is bat shit crazy but he sure did put the spotlight on Jones.

707 BlueCanuck  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 6:46:50am

re: #703 Spenser (with an S)

Know what the scary thing is? I have been "reading" (actually listening) to "Atlas Shrugged". Frighteningly prescient I think in descriptions of government attitude to business owners and welfare mentality.

708 KenJen  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 6:46:52am

re: #696 turn

Yeah, I changed it back. BDVM was the only one who noticed for like two weeks. Jen, what's it like to have a panic attack?

I noticed. Don't know why I didn't say anything. Panic attacks are scary. At first I thought I was having a heart attach. Shortness of breath and shaking. I almost called an ambulance. I'm doing better now.

709 John Neverbend  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 6:47:34am

re: #672 turn

That Van Jones is a lying sack. heh, this guy signed the truther statement too:

Have any of the other people whose names appear on the statement issued denials or pleas of non est factum?

710 turn  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 6:48:41am

re: #704 Mad Al-Jaffee

A box cutter? Right! Everyone knows that box cutters can't hurt people! Admit that the Bush Administration used their secret alien death rays to cut your finger!

//

And you really had to point that out?

711 Dreader1962  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 6:49:02am

re: #702 Walter L. Newton

He was a BIG Obama supporter. Now I hear nothing from him about the One. I see a general "fuck it all" attitude coming from him I never saw before. I don't know if it is related. But before, it was Obama 24/7.

Now, I can't even get a passing word on politics from him.

He's probably feeling the pinch and no longer has Bush to whine about. I think the best thing conservatives can do is let the Obama administration spool itself out instead of these over the top responses. Taking your kids out of school, pushing nirther lawsuits, claiming that the 'czar' appointments aren't constitutional - they all make the opposition look trivial.

Once Obama loses the comedians, that will be the sign that liberals are expressing their frustration.

712 3 wood  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 6:49:32am

re: #706 turn

dull? ouch! I fell though a sliding glass door one time, still have a scar about half the length of my right thumb. People here sure think Beck is bat shit crazy but he sure did put the spotlight on Jones.

It's amazing what can happen. I got knocked through a plate glass window once while I was breaking up a fight in a theatre lobby where I worked, and I did not get so much as a scratch. The guy who came through the window after me got cut to rag dolls.

713 turn  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 6:49:57am

re: #708 KenJen

I noticed. Don't know why I didn't say anything. Panic attacks are scary. At first I thought I was having a heart attach. Shortness of breath and shaking. I almost called an ambulance. I'm doing better now.

Good for ya. I hope it doesn't happen again. I only knew one person who had those.

714 Desert Dog  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 6:50:39am

re: #703 Spenser (with an S)

"But... you don't work hard, you own the business! You reap what others sow!"

///!!!

I am an evil capitalist, exploiting my workers to support my opulent lifestyle. Hey, caviar and champagne are not cheap. If I have to grind up a few of my employees to reach my obscene profit levels, so be it...

Actually, I am down to 3 employees now, so it's getting harder and harder to exploit them. I have been reduced to exploiting myself.

In my perfect world, the economy would start picking up and I would hire back all of the guys I let go over the past year. Out of the 4 I laid off, only one of them has a job and it's a crap job, barely covering half of what he used to make. It broke my heart every time I had to do that. The worst things I have ever had to do in this business since I started.

715 Dreader1962  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 6:50:44am

re: #712 3 wood

It's amazing what can happen. I got knocked through a plate glass window once while I was breaking up a fight in a theatre lobby where I worked, and I did not get so much as a scratch. The guy who came through the window after me got cut to rag dolls.

I saw that they did this on Mythbusters - you would have appreciated that episode.

716 SixDegrees  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 6:50:54am

re: #694 Spenser (with an S)

I'm not pining for it, neither me nor anyone in my family has ever worked for the industry. I'm over on the "good" side of the state ;) I just can't picture a solar-cell and windmill industry ever employing a 10th of that amount of workers.

Sorry, that wasn't directed at you so much as Michigan's politicians, who keep happily and stupidly promoting the imminent return of the Good Old Days instead of acknowledging that they're over and moving forward with diversification and the encouragement of new industries.

It's difficult to imagine any industry taking the place of the automotive industry and single-handedly creating jobs for hundreds of thousands of people, here or anywhere else. Manufacturing itself has changed, and simply doesn't employ the large amount of labor it once did, thanks to automation; this is a trend that will inevitably continue. It's wiser, I think, to look to a variety of businesses to provide employment rather than a single industry. The key is attracting them, encouraging them and keeping them here, something the state's political and tax structures don't do well at all. We even suck at simply hanging on to our wealth - punitive estate taxes force those who've scraped their savings into a pile over an entire lifetime to leave for states like Florida, which don't try to grab a large chunk of that wealth once the person dies and can't defend themselves. So the best, brightest - and richest - citizens wind up leaving at the very moment in their lives when they have the largest pile of dough, and they take every penny of it with them.

Sorry - I'm working up to a good rant here that's probably too locale-specific for most.

717 MandyManners  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 6:50:55am

re: #636 BlueCanuck

Those assholes have tried to hijack other Lizards' nics over there.

718 turn  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 6:51:27am

re: #709 John Neverbend

Have any of the other people whose names appear on the statement issued denials or pleas of non est factum?

Hell no, well at least that I'm aware of. Ad Asner was at the top of the list (well it was alphabetical). That guy is a real leftist.

719 Killian Bundy  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 6:51:41am

Christina Romer, Chair of the Council of Economic Advisers in the Obama administration, on the TV trying to put a happy face spin on the unemployment news.

/useless idiot

720 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 6:51:45am

re: #709 John Neverbend

Have any of the other people whose names appear on the statement issued denials or pleas of non est factum?

How many times has it been said, it doesn't matter, the Truthers are lying so none of this can possibly be true. The official story will be Van Jones is innocent and he did not know what he was signing.

///

721 3 wood  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 6:51:54am

U.S. Dollar Will Weaken, Currency Crash Possible, Roubini Says

The dollar will weaken and the U.S. risks seeing a crash of the currency unless it does more to control the deficit and reduce debt, said New York University Professor Nouriel Roubini, who predicted the financial crisis.

“If markets were to believe, and I’m not saying it’s likely, that inflation is going to be the route that the U.S. is going to take to resolve this problem, then you could have a crash of the value of the dollar,” Roubini said in an interview today in Cernobbio, Italy. “The value of the dollar over time has to fall on a trade-weighted basis, but not necessarily relative to euro and yen.”

Hoe and change.

722 rain of lead  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 6:52:22am

re: #717 MandyManners

Those assholes have tried to hijack other Lizards' nics over there.

what the hell, lol talk to charles, please come back

723 Desert Dog  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 6:53:02am

Gotta run, the kids need to get to school, the wife needs to get to work and I need to get into my office and count the gold bars...it's a tough chore, counting and polishing the gold bars...

724 SasquatchOnSteroids  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 6:53:06am

Oh, well. Got some errands to run.
Back in the day I used to say crazy shit like can I keep some of my money please ?
I didn't mean that shit.

Van Jones/Pelosi 2016 !

725 KenJen  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 6:53:37am

re: #713 turn

Good for ya. I hope it doesn't happen again. I only knew one person who had those.

Thanks turn. My doctor said she has seen an increase in panic attacks ever since Beck got a show on Fox. //

726 3 wood  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 6:53:54am

re: #720 Walter L. Newton

The official story will be Van Jones is innocent and he did not know what he was signing.

Plus the "youthful indiscretion" excuse too.

727 SasquatchOnSteroids  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 6:54:10am

re: #723 Desert Dog

Gotta run, the kids need to get to school, the wife needs to get to work and I need to get into my office and count the gold bars...it's a tough chore, counting and polishing the gold bars...

heh.

728 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 6:54:30am

re: #726 3 wood

Plus the "youthful indiscretion" excuse too.

Have you seen that too already?

729 SixDegrees  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 6:55:22am

re: #709 John Neverbend

Have any of the other people whose names appear on the statement issued denials or pleas of non est factum?

At least one for certain; someone found it downstairs and mentioned it, with details.

There are certainly others. Lying is like breathing to a Troofer, and implanting names on their lists is a common tactic. They generally get away with it because few pay any attention to their rants and spittle-spraying so it never even comes to the attention of those whose endorsements have been concocted.

730 MandyManners  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 6:55:26am

re: #598 Misfit138

Was that really necessary?

731 turn  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 6:56:12am

re: #712 3 wood

It's amazing what can happen. I got knocked through a plate glass window once while I was breaking up a fight in a theatre lobby where I worked, and I did not get so much as a scratch. The guy who came through the window after me got cut to rag dolls.

Morning 3W, wow you lucked out. Actually I lucked out too, it could have been much worse. I was cleaning the rain gutters at my dad's house and the friggin ladder slipped out from under me. You could see two streaks down the glass right up to the point the pressure got too much then BANG! It wasn't safety glass either - my dad tried to save a buck the last time it broke. He replaced it with safety glass. btw, somehow I think the admin is playing with the unemployment numbers, I bet they are higher than 10%. 3W, who do you like in the NFL this year?

732 John Neverbend  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 6:57:02am

re: #579 Joshua Cohen

In fact it looks like the german forces called the airstrike...

I'm sure the UN Security Council or even the General Assembly will pass a suitably condemnatory resolution {does anybody have access to the .wav file that plays a clip of derisory laughter, the one that John Derbyshire often uses on Radio Derb?}

733 Flyers1974  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 6:57:22am

re: #633 Ben Hur

He hates cans.

734 [deleted]  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 6:58:05am
735 3 wood  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 6:58:24am

G20 expected to discuss exit strategies
Europe presses for caps on banker bonuses

Finance ministers from the world's 20 most powerful industrialized and developing economies are expected this weekend to begin

cautiously discussing exit strategies from massive stimulus measures amid signs of an earlier-than-expected recovery from the steepest global economic downturn since World War II.


Strategy 1. Cut spending

Strategy 2. Cut taxes

Strategy 3. Stop punishing success and demonizing achievers. Encourage business growth and entreprenuership.

Strategy 4. Stop selling out the future to try to create the illusion of prosperity today.

736 Mad Al-Jaffee  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 6:58:59am

re: #710 turn

And you really had to point that out?

Trying to get this thread under your thumb?

737 MandyManners  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 6:59:15am

re: #609 Ben Hur

The delegates come from many organizations concerned about peace, justice, human rights, civil rights and the environment. Included among them are Kevin Danaher- Global Exchange, Carmen Hartono - Women's International Peace Imperative, Riva Enteen - National Lawyer's Guild, Ed Rippy- East Bay Peace Action, Cecile Pineda- East Bay Coalition Against the War, Carol Brouillet- Women's International League for Peace and Freedom, a representative of Veteran's for Peace.

I wonder what kind of connections those groups had and still have with Jones' Ella Barker Center. (He was one of the co-founders, as he was for Color of Change. He supposedly quit the latter two years ago. Has he quit the former? If so, when? If not, why not?)

738 OldLineTexan  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 6:59:20am

re: #716 SixDegrees

No, it's a good point.

Texas has been doing well in part due to tax policies that encouraged businesses. Unfortunately, our clueless Legislation introduced (without reading or thinking) a "franchise tax" that caused a MUCH bigger shit storm locally than ANY Tea Party or Town Hall. They were literally going to put everyone out of business.

Thanks in large part to a restaurant owner and local "right-wing reactionary" talk show host, the bus was stopped right at the edge of that cliff.

739 3 wood  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 6:59:27am

re: #728 Walter L. Newton

Have you seen that too already?

Oh sure. He "said that stuff years ago". He dabbled in communism years ago. I saw it used here last night.

740 turn  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 6:59:47am

re: #730 MandyManners

Was that really necessary?

heh, I downdinged it too.

741 FrogMarch  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 6:59:50am

re: #721 3 wood

U.S. Dollar Will Weaken, Currency Crash Possible, Roubini Says

Hoe and change.

The Corruptocrats are so pig-headed. All they have to do is cut tax rates all over the place - - what would amount to real economic stimulation. No can do. Doesn't fit the left-wing paradigm.
Instead - the democrats will tax tax tax, print money and borrow more from a future that looks increasingly bleak.

742 van helsing  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 7:00:07am

re: #691 Desert Dog

You, you, CAPITALIST!!
Making a fortune on the broken backs of the downtrodden proletariat!
Not Desert Dog, oh no, RUNNING DOG!!!

//
Gotta run. I have my own fortune to steal from the downtrodden.
Which will then be stolen from me by the government.
Justice!

Kidding, of course.

However that makes me think (painful) - if Social justice is taking money from the rich and giving it to the poor, how is that justice for the rich?

743 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 7:00:15am

re: #739 3 wood

Oh sure. He "said that stuff years ago". He dabbled in communism years ago. I saw it used here last night.

Really, here?
///

744 Spenser (with an S)  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 7:00:48am

re: #717 MandyManners

re: #636 BlueCanuck

Those assholes have tried to hijack other Lizards' nics over there.

Well, that's a shitty thing to do. I thought Charles had some sort of IP-address-thingy (yes, I work in the tech industry) he could use to verify things like that?

745 OldLineTexan  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 7:01:31am

re: #739 3 wood

Oh sure. He "said that stuff years ago". He dabbled in communism years ago. I saw it used here last night.

Along with the near-fatal overuse of "hyperbole" and forms of "wingnut".

/

746 Mad Al-Jaffee  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 7:01:32am

re: #733 Flyers1974

He hates cans.

DIE GAS PUMPER!!!

747 3 wood  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 7:02:01am

Talk about clueless.

Strauss-Kahn Sees Risk Stimulus Withdrawn Too Soon

International Monetary Fund Managing Director Dominique Strauss-Kahn said there’s a “real danger” policy makers will withdraw support measures for their economies too soon, jeopardizing the recovery from the global recession.

“Given the fragility of the recovery, there are risks that it could stall,” Strauss-Kahn said, according to the text of his speech in Berlin today. “Premature exit from accommodative m

onetary and fiscal policies is a principal concern.”

Where does this clown think that the money for all this spending is coming from? It's being borrowed form future generations and printed, that's where.

748 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 7:02:16am

In the least, the administration need to get on the same page as the rest of the country...

"With President Obama off on vacation, his second in two weeks, unofficial Acting President Joe Biden has stepped into the vacuum, claiming credit Thursday for the successes of the administration's $787 billion stimulus package and fielding questions on health care reform something his boss hasn't done in nearly two weeks."

[Link: www.washingtontimes.com...]

749 OldLineTexan  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 7:02:50am

re: #737 MandyManners

The delegates come from many organizations concerned about peace, justice, human rights, civil rights and the environment. Included among them are Kevin Danaher- Global Exchange, Carmen Hartono - Women's International Peace Imperative, Riva Enteen - National Lawyer's Guild, Ed Rippy- East Bay Peace Action, Cecile Pineda- East Bay Coalition Against the War, Carol Brouillet- Women's International League for Peace and Freedom, a representative of Veteran's for Peace.

I wonder what kind of connections those groups had and still have with Jones' Ella Barker Center. (He was one of the co-founders, as he was for Color of Change. He supposedly quit the latter two years ago. Has he quit the former? If so, when? If not, why not?)

We're not supposed to "worry" about "czars" any longer.

/

750 Ojoe  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 7:03:01am

Hey President Wee Wee fix the economy you moron.

751 turn  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 7:03:03am

re: #736 Mad Al-Jaffee

Trying to get this thread under your thumb?

dang, I got to go mad. See you all this afternoon.

752 OldLineTexan  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 7:03:39am

re: #748 Walter L. Newton

the moonies are lying to you

/

753 Ojoe  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 7:04:03am

re: #748 Walter L. Newton

Success of the stimulus?

Morons.

Work is scarce here.

It is with some effort that I avoid foul language in this post.

754 cronus  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 7:04:09am

The latest from ABC's Tapper:

Another Possible Link Emerges Between Top Obama Official and "9/11 Truther" Movement

While an administration official told ABC News that controversial White House official Van Jones's signature on a 2004 petition suggesting that the Bush administration let 9/11 happen in order to justify war was because he did not carefully review the language in the petition, another link between Jones and the Truther movement has emerged.

This is becoming problematic for the Obama administration, which spent much time and energy belittling the fringe "Birther" movement of those alleging, despite myriad evidence, that President Obama was not born in the U.S.

Jones said in a statement yesterday that he did not agree with the 2004 Truther petition and it "does not reflect my views now or ever."

But in March 2002, a march in San Francisco was called to demand a congressional inquiry into 9/11. Jones was on the "organizing committee."

Stating that the 9/11"attacks are used to justify the bombing of Afghanistan, the administration is clearly more interested in controlling the oil resources of Central Asia than in 'ridding the world of terrorism or terrorists' which it has funded, trained, and used for decades through the C.I.A.," the marchers said they would "demand" answers to questions such as:

"What is the relationship between Bin Laden, his family and the Bush family and the Carlyle Group?

"Why were no fighter planes dispatched to intercept the four hijacked planes on September 11th, in violation of standard procedures?

"Who actually was in control of the 'hijacked planes'? …

"Did the CIA have foreknowledge of the attack, who tried to profit with put options on American, United, Merrill Lynch stock just before the attack?...

"What are Bush's and Cheney's connections to the drug industry?

"Why is the evidence being destroyed when an investigation of the World Trade Center collapse is needed?"

The White House had no immediate comment.

755 Pullus Iulius  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 7:04:29am

re: #730 MandyManners

With 69 posts in 5 years, I'd say it got the notice it deserved. Having to re-post your FU message is an EPIC FAIL.

756 lawhawk  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 7:04:36am

Greets and saluts from the NYC metro area. It looks like someone used some serious google-fu and found a rense.com article from 2002 that shows Van Jones up to his eyeballs in Trooferism. Many of the groups and individuals involved are your typical leftists (National Lawyers Guild for example), and Van Jones is listed as among the organizers of the march that took place on January 8, 2002.

Note too that there were already anti-war groups participating in this - that would be those opposed to the War in Afghanistan, since the Iraq campaign hadn't even come into serious consideration (and we'd been in Afghanistan all of three months - October 2001).

But as I said last night, Jones fits in perfectly with this Administration. They'll say and do anything to hide their past affiliations and positions, and then attempt to cast themselves as moderates, even as their more radical positions sally forth.

If you want a reason why Obama's run into so much trouble on health care - it's that reason. They just don't trust this Administration, and that distrust is growing.

Mind you, that the right wing never trusted him and never will. It's the moderates and independents that are finding it more difficult to trust him on matters of policy. The hysterics of the far right may work well in echo chambers, but some of it is based on kernels of truth (not the nirth certificates, but his radical past and affiliations).

757 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 7:05:31am

re: #754 cronus

The latest from ABC's Tapper:

Another Possible Link Emerges Between Top Obama Official and "9/11 Truther" Movement

I don't think you should be spreading these lies here. Everything was settled yesterday.
///

758 lincolntf  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 7:05:48am

re: #737 MandyManners

Don't you love how "two years ago" is now long enough to be considered irrelevant as to a person's character, beliefs, employment history, etc.?
We're not allowed to judge these dopes by anything but what is coming out of their mouths at that given moment. Even then, there's a dose of "nuance" included...

759 3 wood  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 7:05:52am

One of the problems with not having a real job to go to is that you then get handed the 3 foot long Honey-Do list from the feminine side of the household.

Got to go do some chores to earn my keep around here. Later.

760 lawhawk  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 7:05:58am

re: #737 MandyManners

Well, I wonder if Jones was a member of the National Lawyer's Guild, which is one of the entities involved in that march. It might make sense to spend some time digging through that...

761 Ojoe  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 7:06:14am

re: #754 cronus

Get that Van Jones character away from solar energy & such; he damages it.

762 VioletTiger  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 7:06:41am

re: #741 FrogMarch

The Corruptocrats are so pig-headed. All they have to do is cut tax rates all over the place - - what would amount to real economic stimulation. No can do. Doesn't fit the left-wing paradigm.
Instead - the democrats will tax tax tax, print money and borrow more from a future that looks increasingly bleak.


Cutting taxes does not put the money in the right hands. It does not fit their agenda.

763 Kenneth  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 7:07:21am

Hello realwest,

If you see this message, please send me a message via my blue nic.

Thanks.

764 van helsing  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 7:07:35am

re: #761 Ojoe

Get that Van Jones character away from solar energy & such; he damages it.

The entire administration damages real progress in renewables with their idiotic cap and trade bill. That bill really needs killing.

765 MandyManners  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 7:08:47am
766 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 7:09:04am

re: #756 lawhawk


But as I said last night, Jones fits in perfectly with this Administration. They'll say and do anything to hide their past affiliations and positions, and then attempt to cast themselves as moderates, even as their more radical positions sally forth.

And they have the help of many commenters on blogs who will hide things for them, cover up for them and tout the progressive party line for them.

767 MacDuff  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 7:09:23am

re: #720 Walter L. Newton

How many times has it been said, it doesn't matter, the Truthers are lying so none of this can possibly be true. The official story will be Van Jones is innocent and he did not know what he was signing.

///

Lies are truths, truths are lies. Don't believe what was said then because it was politically expedient, believe what's being said now, because it's politically expedient. If the message seems repugnant, discredit the messenger for that is where the true fault lies.

Positively Orwellian.

768 VioletTiger  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 7:09:40am

re: #758 lincolntf

Don't you love how "two years ago" is now long enough to be considered irrelevant as to a person's character, beliefs, employment history, etc.?
We're not allowed to judge these dopes by anything but what is coming out of their mouths at that given moment. Even then, there's a dose of "nuance" included...

Their history gets to be about 30 days.
On the other hand, go on and dig up a paper some republican wrote 20 years ago.
THAT is still relevant./

769 Ojoe  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 7:10:16am

re: #764 van helsing

I could have bought a humvee but I didn't. May I have some carbon credits please?

770 MandyManners  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 7:12:18am

re: #754 cronus

The latest from ABC's Tapper:

Another Possible Link Emerges Between Top Obama Official and "9/11 Truther" Movement

Is this about the same subject as Ben Hur's No. 609?

771 greygandalf  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 7:12:48am

re: #757 Walter L. Newton

I don't think you should be spreading these lies here. Everything was settled yesterday.
///

At least the source has improved from truther site to abcnews. I dont trust Van Jones at all. Of course, I also do not immediately believe he is a truther.

772 vxbush  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 7:13:56am

Morning, everyone. Where's the oxygen tank hiding? I could use it today...

773 yma o hyd  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 7:14:22am

Hiya, Lizard Nation!

Do you think someone way way upstairs thought this would be a nice hint that the Megrahi stuff wasn't such a good idea:

Rain causes roads and homes chaos

From that link:
'Heavy rain has flooded homes and brought disruption to roads in areas across the north and east of Scotland.'

Naww - its just me being mean, right?

774 cronus  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 7:15:36am

re: #770 MandyManners

I believe so, yes.

775 MandyManners  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 7:15:50am

re: #609 Ben Hur

San Francisco March To Demand Congressional Inquiry Of 911

To be continued...

Rense is a honking-huge conspiracy theorist. I don't know if that calls into question the validity of the information at his link. I'm just sayin'...

However, if this matches what cronus posted from Tapper at No. 754, it has some credibility.

776 yma o hyd  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 7:15:53am

re: #772 vxbush

Morning, everyone. Where's the oxygen tank hiding? I could use it today...

Hiya, {vxbush}!

Whassa matter, pet? Who's been horrid to you?
Want me to come and sort them out?
(Rolling up sleeves in preparation ...)

777 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 7:16:48am

re: #756 lawhawk


But as I said last night, Jones fits in perfectly with this Administration. They'll say and do anything to hide their past affiliations and positions, and then attempt to cast themselves as moderates, even as their more radical positions sally forth.

And they have the help of many commenters on blogs who will hide things for them, cover up for them and tout the progressive party line for them.

778 vxbush  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 7:17:05am

re: #770 MandyManners

re: #754 cronus

The latest from ABC's Tapper:

Wait: So Jones didn't just sign some position. He was organizing to get people to investigate the Bush administration? That's much harder to brush off and ignore.

779 MJ  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 7:17:16am

Another Obama appointment is criticized...but not what you might think:

Yemeni Liberal Criticizes Appointment of Dalia Mogahed as Obama's Advisor on Islam


In an article posted on the liberal website [Link: www.metransparent.com,...] reformist Yemeni journalist Dr. Elham Mane'a came out against the appointment of Muslim American writer Dalia Mogahed to Obama's Interfaith Advisory Board. Mane'a claimed that Mogahed purported to represent all Muslims, but in fact represented only a limited, extremist view of Islam. This, she said, was reflected in Obama's statement in his Cairo speech about the Muslim women's right to wear the hijab.

Following are excerpts from the article by Mane'a:(1)

Obama is Receiving One-Dimensional Advice on Islam

"The report that Dalia Mogahed has been appointed to the Advisory Council on Faith-Based and Neighborhood Partnerships, which advises U.S. President Barack Obama, filled me with anxiety... To be honest, I was anxious for two reasons.

"First, [when] someone who grew up in a Western environment decides to don the hijab, it is usually [a sign that they are] influenced by a religious ideology [even] more conservative than the one prevailing in the Arab countries...

"The second reason was the enthusiasm shown by the media outlets funded by the Arab Saudi kingdom, as well as the message of congratulations issued by a [certain] Muslim-American organization known for its affiliation with the Muslim Brotherhood. The numerous voices welcoming the appointment puzzled me, and scared me. ..

[Link: www.memri.org...]

780 MandyManners  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 7:17:18am

re: #774 cronus

I believe so, yes.

Isn't STORM the group mentioned yesterday that issued a statement not long after 9-11 in which the attacks were called "bombings"?

781 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 7:17:24am

re: #754 cronus

The latest from ABC's Tapper:

Another Possible Link Emerges Between Top Obama Official and "9/11 Truther" Movement

Everyone knows that Jack Tapper is a right-wing kook.
/

782 [deleted]  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 7:17:34am
783 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 7:17:38am

re: #771 greygandalf

At least the source has improved from truther site to abcnews. I dont trust Van Jones at all. Of course, I also do not immediately believe he is a truther.

ABC is lying too!
///

784 vxbush  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 7:18:10am

re: #776 yma o hyd

Hiya, {vxbush}!

Whassa matter, pet? Who's been horrid to you?
Want me to come and sort them out?
(Rolling up sleeves in preparation ...)

Settle down, dearie. No one is being horrid to me except my lungs. I had a bad night because I wasn't breathing that well. I'm trying to hydrate now, but if it keeps being bad I'll take my emergency inhaler. It's close at hand.

785 Mad Al-Jaffee  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 7:18:20am

For anyone who missed this yesterday, Iowahawk hits another home run:

[Link: iowahawk.typepad.com...]

786 BARACK THE VOTE  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 7:18:23am

re: #777 Walter L. Newton

And they have the help of many commenters on blogs who will hide things for them, cover up for them and tout the progressive party line for them.

Most people don't read blogs, let alone their comments.

Hi Walter.

787 SixDegrees  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 7:18:44am

re: #771 greygandalf

At least the source has improved from truther site to abcnews. I dont trust Van Jones at all. Of course, I also do not immediately believe he is a truther.

Actually, the source here is rense; Charles has said he doesn't want people linking to their site, so I won't. It doesn't smell any better than 911Truth as a source, though.

788 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 7:19:06am

re: #781 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

Everyone knows that Jack Tapper is a right-wing kook.
/

Yep, right up there with Glenn Beck.
/

789 MandyManners  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 7:19:11am

re: #778 vxbush

Wait: So Jones didn't just sign some position. He was organizing to get people to investigate the Bush administration? That's much harder to brush off and ignore.

We don't know that he signed it. The source is a Troofer group so that right there gives me pause. However, there's enough about him apart from that petition to strengthen my opinion that he needs to go.

790 lincolntf  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 7:20:11am

re: #757 Walter L. Newton

I have to say that the odds are now looking about 10-1 that Van Jones is/was a Troofer.

Odds on him making it through the next 7 days without being thrown under the Obama bus? That's a little tougher to figure. Obama has kept tax cheats, etc. on board when they've suited his purposes before.

791 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 7:20:44am

re: #786 iceweasel

Most people don't read blogs, let alone their comments.

Hi Walter.

Are you kidding. I am sitting in a room full of about 50 people who are reading and posting on blogs... wait... email blast just came in, new talking points for us from Glenn Beck...

I get back to your comment in a bit.
/

792 yma o hyd  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 7:21:04am

re: #784 vxbush

Settle down, dearie. No one is being horrid to me except my lungs. I had a bad night because I wasn't breathing that well. I'm trying to hydrate now, but if it keeps being bad I'll take my emergency inhaler. It's close at hand.

Poor thing!
Wish I could give some advice - the only one I can come up with are breathing exercises.

Here's a link to a site I found pretty useful.

793 BlueCanuck  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 7:21:16am

re: #790 lincolntf

He won't get the bus treatment. He's eco-friendly now.

794 vxbush  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 7:21:30am

re: #789 MandyManners

We don't know that he signed it. The source is a Troofer group so that right there gives me pause. However, there's enough about him apart from that petition to strengthen my opinion that he needs to go.

If we don't know that he signed it, then why is Jones saying that he didn't really read the petition before he put his name on it? That sounds like he admits he signed it but is now trying to convince us that he wasn't paying attention or wasn't clear on what the petition was--or, as I believe, that he is backpeddling.

795 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 7:21:36am

re: #790 lincolntf

I have to say that the odds are now looking about 10-1 that Van Jones is/was a Troofer.

Odds on him making it through the next 7 days without being thrown under the Obama bus? That's a little tougher to figure. Obama has kept tax cheats, etc. on board when they've suited his purposes before.

Look, for the last 24 hours, you have been told the truth that Van Jones has nothing at all to do with this stuff. Why can't you just fall in line and accept that?
/

796 VioletTiger  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 7:21:37am

re: #778 vxbush

Wait: So Jones didn't just sign some position. He was organizing to get people to investigate the Bush administration? That's much harder to brush off and ignore.


I'd really like to see somebody interview him and ask the question(s) directly.
Truther or not, this guy has enough baggage to make me wary of him.

797 SixDegrees  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 7:21:47am

re: #781 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

Everyone knows that Jack Tapper is a right-wing kook.
/

Check the actual source; ABC is simply repeating what it got through rense, apparently.

A look around the rense site isn't very encouraging. It's filled with Troofer bilge.

798 MandyManners  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 7:22:03am

re: #793 BlueCanuck

He won't get the bus treatment. He's eco-friendly now.

Under the compost pile?

799 Spenser (with an S)  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 7:22:09am

re: #793 BlueCanuck

re: #790 lincolntf

He won't get the bus treatment. He's eco-friendly now.

Our city has some propane buses. I could send one over if it would help.

800 MJ  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 7:22:27am

re: #610 Ben Hur

continues...

I posted this yesterday. The problem is that it links back up to Rense which is an antisemitic site. It's not clear if the signatures apply to the announcement of the march or the announcement of "WAR TIMES (working title) A New, Biweekly, Tabloid Newspaper Opposing the "War on Terrorism"' since both are contained within the same document but are separated.

801 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 7:22:29am

re: #794 vxbush

If we don't know that he signed it, then why is Jones saying that he didn't really read the petition before he put his name on it? That sounds like he admits he signed it but is now trying to convince us that he wasn't paying attention or wasn't clear on what the petition was--or, as I believe, that he is backpeddling.

Bingo.

802 vxbush  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 7:22:30am

re: #792 yma o hyd

Poor thing!
Wish I could give some advice - the only one I can come up with are breathing exercises.

Here's a link to a site I found pretty useful.

Oh! I'll have to look at that later.

803 BARACK THE VOTE  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 7:22:44am

re: #797 SixDegrees

Check the actual source; ABC is simply repeating what it got through rense, apparently.

A look around the rense site isn't very encouraging. It's filled with Troofer bilge.

Not the first time Tapper has fucked up, either.

804 MandyManners  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 7:23:01am

re: #794 vxbush

If we don't know that he signed it, then why is Jones saying that he didn't really read the petition before he put his name on it? That sounds like he admits he signed it but is now trying to convince us that he wasn't paying attention or wasn't clear on what the petition was--or, as I believe, that he is backpeddling.

I've not seen a link from him saying that he didn't read it.

805 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 7:23:25am

re: #785 Mad Al-Jaffee

For anyone who missed this yesterday, Iowahawk hits another home run:

[Link: iowahawk.typepad.com...]

I love that parody:

Jason Bateman: I plehhhdge... to fondle this microphone in a whimsically provocative manner.

Mr. Haney from Green Acres: To never give anyone the finger when I'm driving again. I will instead moon them, with my frightening elderly haunches.

'Greg and Darma' chick with scary feral baby: To save water, by never bathing my child.

Underwear model: I pledge.

I think it's that Spunky Winkerbean chick, the one who had a boob reduction: I pledge.

Brain-fried Chili Peppers guy: To caaare? For? America's elderly?

806 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 7:23:28am

re: #803 iceweasel

Not the first time Tapper has fucked up, either.

Well, that settle that. Next subject.

807 SixDegrees  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 7:23:36am

re: #789 MandyManners

We don't know that he signed it. The source is a Troofer group so that right there gives me pause. However, there's enough about him apart from that petition to strengthen my opinion that he needs to go.

That's correct. Unfortunately, this focus on what is almost certainly a fraudulent listing will give him cover from legitimate criticisms. It makes it easy for him to dismiss his detractors by lumping them in with "right wing kook squads."

808 BlueCanuck  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 7:24:10am

re: #799 Spenser (with an S)

Our city has some propane buses. I could send one over if it would help.

Even better, I will send one of our hybrid buses in us up here.

/strange thing though, every time I pass/ride one it's beltching out diesel smoke...

809 SixDegrees  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 7:24:42am

re: #803 iceweasel

Not the first time Tapper has fucked up, either.

I don't know his background. I just followed the links and references from the ABC posting.

810 Spenser (with an S)  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 7:24:57am

re: #803 iceweasel

Not the first time Tapper has fucked up, either.

I at least give him credit for being intellectually curious. I used to think that was a requirement for a reporter but I swear, they act like a follow-up question would get them kicked out or something.

811 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 7:25:16am

re: #807 SixDegrees

That's correct. Unfortunately, this focus on what is almost certainly a fraudulent listing will give him cover from legitimate criticisms. It makes it easy for him to dismiss his detractors by lumping them in with "right wing kook squads."

You are saying that the over 40 names on that list were obtained by fraudulent means. They were never signed by the people on that list, or everyone on that list was lied to. How do you mean fraudulent?

812 MandyManners  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 7:25:22am

re: #797 SixDegrees

Check the actual source; ABC is simply repeating what it got through rense, apparently.

A look around the rense site isn't very encouraging. It's filled with Troofer bilge.

Tapper is using Rense as a source without corroboration?

What's Rense's source?

813 SixDegrees  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 7:26:11am

re: #812 MandyManners

Tapper is using Rense as a source without corroboration?

What's Rense's source?

They don't list one that I'm able to find.

814 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 7:26:13am

re: #812 MandyManners

Tapper is using Rense as a source without corroboration?

What's Rense's source?

Rather, Rense, repeat.

815 MandyManners  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 7:26:39am

re: #807 SixDegrees

That's correct. Unfortunately, this focus on what is almost certainly a fraudulent listing will give him cover from legitimate criticisms. It makes it easy for him to dismiss his detractors by lumping them in with "right wing kook squads."

This worries me a great deal.

816 MJ  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 7:26:42am

re: #813 SixDegrees

They don't list one that I'm able to find.

It links back up to Rense.

817 vxbush  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 7:26:46am

re: #804 MandyManners

I've not seen a link from him saying that he didn't read it.

Tapper records earlier:

Van Jones, the Special Advisor for Green Jobs at the White House Council on Environmental Quality, is Number 46 of the petitioners from the so-called "Truther" movement which suggests that people in the administration of President George W. Bush "may indeed have deliberately allowed 9/11 to happen, perhaps as a pretext for war."

In a statement issued Thursday evening Jones said of "the petition that was circulated today, I do not agree with this statement and it certainly does not reflect my views now or ever."

[emphasis mine]

818 BARACK THE VOTE  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 7:27:20am

re: #810 Spenser (with an S)

I at least give him credit for being intellectually curious. I used to think that was a requirement for a reporter but I swear, they act like a follow-up question would get them kicked out or something.

We totally agree on that.

The media doesn't give a shit about anything but keeping their access to power, their invitations to the Beltway cocktail circuit, and chattering about the latest 'conventional wisdom' (i.e., whatever crap is the narrative for that day) rather than doing anything like actual journalism, let alone investigative journalism.

819 vxbush  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 7:28:35am

re: #817 vxbush

Ah, forgot the big paragraph:

He did not explain how his name came to be on the petition. An administration source said Jones says he did not carefully review the language in the petition before agreeing to add his name.
820 MandyManners  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 7:28:52am

I suppose one way to find an independent source is to Google a few of the organizations listed by Rense to see if they did pariticipate in that march.

821 SixDegrees  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 7:29:08am

re: #811 Walter L. Newton

You are saying that the over 40 names on that list were obtained by fraudulent means. They were never signed by the people on that list, or everyone on that list was lied to. How do you mean fraudulent?

No; I'm saying that Jone's "signature" on the list is almost certainly fraudulent. At least one other bogus "signature" was located there by someone posting downstairs, with just a few minutes worth of poking, and this sort of bogus claim of support if extremely common in Troofer circles.

As Charles has said repeatedly: Jones is far more believable than anything found on a Troofer site. Which may not be saying much at all for Jones, but certainly places him where he belongs on the credibility scale: above Troofers.

822 Spenser (with an S)  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 7:29:14am

So, some are saying that Jake Tapper, a non-Fox reporter for a mainstream news source, went digging around anti-semitic and troofer sites until he found something someone made up about Van Jones and then with that single source ran it past his editor who said "Yes, print that, we have lawyers and I hate Obama anyway!"

823 SixDegrees  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 7:29:44am

re: #816 MJ

It links back up to Rense.

Swell.

824 OldLineTexan  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 7:29:57am

re: #759 3 wood

One of the problems with not having a real job to go to is that you then get handed the 3 foot long Honey-Do list from the feminine side of the household.

Got to go do some chores to earn my keep around here. Later.

Heh.

"When the Hell did the refrigerator explode?"

/

825 vxbush  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 7:30:02am

re: #821 SixDegrees

No; I'm saying that Jone's "signature" on the list is almost certainly fraudulent. At least one other bogus "signature" was located there by someone posting downstairs, with just a few minutes worth of poking, and this sort of bogus claim of support if extremely common in Troofer circles.

As Charles has said repeatedly: Jones is far more believable than anything found on a Troofer site. Which may not be saying much at all for Jones, but certainly places him where he belongs on the credibility scale: above Troofers.

It isn't. See my 819, quoting from the same Tapper blog as 817.

826 MJ  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 7:30:03am

re: #820 MandyManners

I suppose one way to find an independent source is to Google a few of the organizations listed by Rense to see if they did pariticipate in that march.

I posted this last night. However, it's not clear if the signatures apply to the announcement of the march or the announcement of "WAR TIMES (working title) A New, Biweekly, Tabloid Newspaper Opposing the "War on Terrorism"' since both are contained within the same document but are separated.

827 MandyManners  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 7:30:14am

re: #817 vxbush

[emphasis mine]

No where does he admit that he signed it. However, I've not read an explicit denial from him.

828 VioletTiger  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 7:30:24am

re: #810 Spenser (with an S)

I at least give him credit for being intellectually curious. I used to think that was a requirement for a reporter but I swear, they act like a follow-up question would get them kicked out or something.


If they were REALLY curious, somebody would go and ask him.
With all the stuff floating around about him, nonstop for days, you'd think he'd want to set the record straight. Certainly enough for a good interview.

829 BARACK THE VOTE  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 7:30:30am

re: #807 SixDegrees

That's correct. Unfortunately, this focus on what is almost certainly a fraudulent listing will give him cover from legitimate criticisms. It makes it easy for him to dismiss his detractors by lumping them in with "right wing kook squads."

That's my issue too with the insanity being pumped out by the wingnut brigade. It's not like there's a shortage of legitimate criticisms to make of Obama and his admin. Every time the WingNut Hysteria Machine froths over with an invented scandal, real criticisms get shoved aside and legitimate critics get tarred with "oh, you're just another lunatic with ODS".

Same thing happened on the left with Bush. Bad news, IMO.

830 vxbush  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 7:31:00am

re: #827 MandyManners

No where does he admit that he signed it. However, I've not read an explicit denial from him.

See 819.

831 SixDegrees  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 7:31:12am

re: #822 Spenser (with an S)

So, some are saying that Jake Tapper, a non-Fox reporter for a mainstream news source, went digging around anti-semitic and troofer sites until he found something someone made up about Van Jones and then with that single source ran it past his editor who said "Yes, print that, we have lawyers and I hate Obama anyway!"

All of the references are linked through the ABC site; you can check them yourself. The sole source for this latest story is rense. No corroborating source or evidence is listed.

832 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 7:31:15am

The big question is: did Van Jones drop a deuce in the urinal?

833 Spenser (with an S)  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 7:31:20am

re: #818 iceweasel

We totally agree on that.

Well, that's one measure of intelligence, you know. Could you give some lessons to Diego?

834 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 7:31:59am

re: #822 Spenser (with an S)

So, some are saying that Jake Tapper, a non-Fox reporter for a mainstream news source, went digging around anti-semitic and troofer sites until he found something someone made up about Van Jones and then with that single source ran it past his editor who said "Yes, print that, we have lawyers and I hate Obama anyway!"

LINK (what the fuck). Are you just making shit up now? Where did you get that information.

835 BARACK THE VOTE  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 7:32:48am

re: #822 Spenser (with an S)

So, some are saying that Jake Tapper, a non-Fox reporter for a mainstream news source, went digging around anti-semitic and troofer sites until he found something someone made up about Van Jones and then with that single source ran it past his editor who said "Yes, print that, we have lawyers and I hate Obama anyway!"

No, we're saying that Tapper, like many in the MSM, is a lazy bastard who relies on 'unnamed sources' and is all too willing to support total bs in his rush to be on top of the 24/7 news cycle.

836 Mad Al-Jaffee  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 7:33:26am

re: #805 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

The Cameron Diaz quotes are my favorite parts.

"I plemdge"

837 MandyManners  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 7:33:47am

re: #819 vxbush

He did not explain how his name came to be on the petition. An administration source said Jones says he did not carefully review the language in the petition before agreeing to add his name.

Who is the source?

838 cronus  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 7:34:15am

re: #827 MandyManners

No where does he admit that he signed it. However, I've not read an explicit denial from him.

I strongly suspect we will get the "yes I signed it but it was presented to me as something different than it apparently was" line sometime this morning from Jones and WH.

839 aboo-Hoo-Hoo  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 7:34:22am

Would liberals have the guts to declare war on Nazi Germany today?

My grandparents, I am told, greeted the arrival of the Second World War (70 years ago today) with a sense of relief. They feared for their children’s safety, they dreaded the expected bombings, and they had no romantic ideas about war – my grandmother’s brother was shell-shocked in the trenches (and his eldest son was to die in Hitler’s war). But they were relieved, because they knew that Britain could not run away forever.

By that stage only the most deluded peaceniks, as well as Communists and Fascists, believed that Hitler reflected the legitimate grievances of the German people and that these could be resolved peacefully; a few intellectuals in Bloomsbury compared Western democracy to Nazism, but the vast majority of British people believed in their country and way of life, and were prepared to fight for it.

Would that still happen today? Robin Shepherd, in the excellent A State Beyond The Pale: Europe’s Problem With Israel, writes a chapter called “Europe’s broken back” in which he explains that Europe’s pacificism is not, despite what it likes to believe, a symptom of maturity, but of tiredness, nihilism and suicide...

.

840 MandyManners  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 7:34:55am

re: #822 Spenser (with an S)

So, some are saying that Jake Tapper, a non-Fox reporter for a mainstream news source, went digging around anti-semitic and troofer sites until he found something someone made up about Van Jones and then with that single source ran it past his editor who said "Yes, print that, we have lawyers and I hate Obama anyway!"

See vxbush's Nos. 817 and 819.

841 gregb  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 7:35:06am

On a completely different open topic, just read the Drudge headline on hit and run syringe attacks in China. How bizzare and scary is that? People running around stabbing unsuspecting people with syringes. It kind of reminds me of that X song that they had to stop playing as the sarcasm was lost over time, it turned into some sort of sick anthem.

[Link: www.timesonline.co.uk...]

842 vxbush  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 7:35:30am

re: #837 MandyManners

He did not explain how his name came to be on the petition. An administration source said Jones says he did not carefully review the language in the petition before agreeing to add his name.

Who is the source?

Ah, that is an interesting question. I can't answer that. You're right that he didn't say explicitly that he signed it, but now someone else comes out and says he didn't read it. Why? I can first conclude that they must think that this damages Jones. But the source is supposedly in the administration.

Unless, of course, you believe Tapper is a lying weasel, which seems to be the opinion of some here.

843 Spenser (with an S)  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 7:35:44am

re: #834 Walter L. Newton

LINK (what the fuck). Are you just making shit up now? Where did you get that information.

? Yes, I made the stuff up in quotes. The rest is from a bunch of posts here; Jake Tapper found a single, kooky source and posted it in a story. I was questioning that likelihood.

844 Lincolntf  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 7:36:00am

re: #819 vxbush

So it wasn't the document he thought he knew?

845 MandyManners  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 7:36:03am

re: #826 MJ

I posted this last night. However, it's not clear if the signatures apply to the announcement of the march or the announcement of "WAR TIMES (working title) A New, Biweekly, Tabloid Newspaper Opposing the "War on Terrorism"' since both are contained within the same document but are separated.

man, my head is spinning today, and it's not all the fault of the coffee.

846 vxbush  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 7:36:33am

re: #844 Lincolntf

So it wasn't the document he thought he knew?

Heh. We'll have to wait a bit and see what comes out today.

847 VioletTiger  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 7:37:13am

Really off topic...
I have a suspicion that my computer is sending out spam. I keep getting these message not delivered emails and then I also get these weird emails with lots of !!!, in Chinese. My conclusion: VT is spamming China.
Any ideas?

848 MandyManners  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 7:37:38am

re: #838 cronus

I strongly suspect we will get the "yes I signed it but it was presented to me as something different than it apparently was" line sometime this morning from Jones and WH.

If so, then do we need someone with the ear of the president who has a history of willy-nilly signing his name to documents that he has not read?

849 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 7:37:53am

re: #843 Spenser (with an S)

? Yes, I made the stuff up in quotes. The rest is from a bunch of posts here; Jake Tapper found a single, kooky source and posted it in a story. I was questioning that likelihood.

Got it. Sorry for the flame.

850 BARACK THE VOTE  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 7:37:56am

re: #833 Spenser (with an S)

Well, that's one measure of intelligence, you know. Could you give some lessons to Diego?

Diego seems pretty cool. He's new. I think he's going to be a real asset here eventually, IMO.

I favourited this comment of his the other day. I think most people here would agree with those sentiments.

851 lawhawk  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 7:38:04am

Can someone tell me how this is a headline?

Guest: Many wept during Jackson's Calif. funeral

It's a frakking funeral. Of course people are going to weep. They're burying a loved one - a friend or family member. [headslap]

852 MJ  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 7:39:03am

re: #839 aboo-Hoo-Hoo

Would liberals have the guts to declare war on Nazi Germany today?

.

Answer: No.

Most liberals were against entering WW II as well until we were bombed:

[Link: books.google.com...]

853 Walter Cronanty  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 7:39:11am

re: #754 cronus

Wow, Van the man kind of covered the waterfront on 9/11. At first, his group "STORM" issued a Churchillian [Ward, that is] statement that US imperialism was to blame for 9/11 [Link: www.capitalresearch.org...]
See, p.28 of pdf. Then, he becomes a "truther." Yikes.

854 SixDegrees  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 7:39:16am

re: #827 MandyManners

No where does he admit that he signed it. However, I've not read an explicit denial from him.

It's generally up to the accuser to provide proof. In this case, the proof offered is extremely questionable - at best.

Note that anyone here can wander over to the LGF stalker blogs and find many people posting with screen names yanked directly from here. I think there's a MandyManners posting at one of them, but I'd put a large sum on a bet that it isn't really you.

I'd like to see some evidence that's credible in this case. Better yet, I'd like to see people focusing on Jones' demonstrable record and questioning that - there's plenty of legitimate reason for concern about this guy, but it's being steamrollered by the Looney Tune Fringe and that ultimately drowns out legitimate criticism, because it winds up getting lumped in with the frothers.

855 MandyManners  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 7:39:54am

re: #842 vxbush

Ah, that is an interesting question. I can't answer that. You're right that he didn't say explicitly that he signed it, but now someone else comes out and says he didn't read it. Why? I can first conclude that they must think that this damages Jones. But the source is supposedly in the administration.

Unless, of course, you believe Tapper is a lying weasel, which seems to be the opinion of some here.

As I posted somewhere above, one way to get to the truth might be to Google the names of those organizations listed in the link at No. 609 to see if they participated in that protest on 1/8/02.

856 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 7:40:39am

re: #847 VioletTiger

Really off topic...
I have a suspicion that my computer is sending out spam. I keep getting these message not delivered emails and then I also get these weird emails with lots of !!!, in Chinese. My conclusion: VT is spamming China.
Any ideas?

Sound like that's what's happening. Or, someone is using you email address as the return address and mailing from their computer or server.

Does you computer's hard drive light flash a lot when you are doing nothing, as in not clicking, not streaming a video etc. If you notice a lot of hard drive activity when you are idle at your computer, that could be an indication.

There are a few more technical ways to check if some rogue program is running with out you noticing.

857 tfc3rid  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 7:40:58am

The point in all this is that this Administration is full of radicals because the President is a radical. He has a radical plan and is attempting to implement it. People are upset and angry. Not because we lost an election but because the 'fundamental change' being foisted upon America is too much, too fast. We are sinking. Prosperity is being destroyed. Success is being punished. That is not the type of nation I suspect many of us care to live in. This is why there is anger.

Lest we forget radical connections with the President.
In Life:
Jeremiah Wright
Bill Ayers
Fr. Pflager

In politics:
Rahm Emanuel
Eric Holder
Cass Sunstein
Van Jones
Harold Koh
John Holdren
Samatha Power

858 Spenser (with an S)  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 7:41:17am

re: #854 SixDegrees

Better yet, I'd like to see people focusing on Jones' demonstrable record and questioning that - there's plenty of legitimate reason for concern about this guy

Oh, I can do two things at once :) But we agree, when you hear his recent speeches, he is staggeringly left and wrong.

859 cronus  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 7:41:31am

Ben Smith at Politico is adding more. (Warning: His examples also link to Rense)

Trutherism-lite, and a second Jones tie

The White House seems to have decided yesterday that Van Jones could, politically, be saved: His statements on race and politics could be seen as rhetorical excesses; and he said he hadn't reviewed a statement he signed calling for a 9/11 investigation.

I corresponded yesterday with a couple of the other better-known signatories of the statement, Rabbi Michael Lerner and historian Howard Zinn, both of whom said they'd signed something narrower than the press release put out by the organization circulating it -- though something that clearly conveyed suspicions well outside the political mainstream about the September 11 attacks.

Call it a Truther-lite statement.

Lerner emails:

I was asked to sign a letter which I was told had four demands:

As Americans of conscience, we ask for four things:

1. An immediate investigation by New York Attorney General Eliot Spitzer
2. Immediate investigation in Congressional Hearings.
3. Media attention to scrutinize and investigate the evidence.
4. The formation of a truly independent citizens-based inquiry.

I did not authorize my name to be used for all the other stuff that I now see was included surrounding the letter, namely the sponsors of that 911truth.org, and would not have had I been aware that all that stuff was presented in ways that suggested that I agreed with it, and though I do recognize a few of the people I'd consider "nut cases" among the list of signatories, my guess is that most of those who signed were, like me, unaware of the context in which our names would appear.

Zinn sent me a curt email in response to a question of whether he'd intended to suggest Bush's complicity in the attacks: "I did not sign a statement suggesting that 'Bush had prior knowledge.' I signed a statement calling for an investigation.

That may be enough for some to disqualify Jones, but it's certainly somewhat weaker tea than some of the surrounding language, like: the suggestion that "people within the current administration may indeed have deliberately allowed 9/11 to happen, perhaps as a pretext for war."

HOWEVER, just as that tends to get Jones off the hook slightly, bloggers have turned up another, damning connection to the 9/11 Truth movement: Jones is listed as a member of the "organizing committee" of a march to demand the "truth" behind 9/11.

It's hard to explain the second one as his having signed off on a statement he misunderstood or as, in the legendary words of the Obama campaign, a "staff error."

Labor Day Weekend is the sort of time when staffers "resign" to avoid being "distractions," so the White House will likely decide today or tomorrow whether ties to the Truth movement, the Birther movement of the '90s, are fatal.

UPDATE: In Jones's partial defense, a reader notes that the second link, to a January, 2002 march, is more about opposing the war in Afghanistan, and less about suggesting Bush was complicit in anything.

860 Danny  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 7:41:34am

Mornin leeezards!

861 MandyManners  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 7:41:49am

re: #853 Walter Cronanty

Wow, Van the man kind of covered the waterfront on 9/11. At first, his group "STORM" issued a Churchillian [Ward, that is] statement that US imperialism was to blame for 9/11 [Link: www.capitalresearch.org...]
See, p.28 of pdf. Then, he becomes a "truther." Yikes.

Whether he became a Troofer and signed that petition is the question at hand.

I'm gonna' take some time to read your PDF link.

862 cronus  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 7:42:28am

BBL

863 Walter Cronanty  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 7:42:44am

re: #857 tfc3rid
You forgot his early mentor, "Uncle" Frank.

864 CapeCoddah  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 7:43:07am

Good morning everyone... Lesson of the day, don't fire cannons if you have nearby neighbors!
[Link: www.bostonherald.com...]

865 lawhawk  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 7:43:11am

So, some civilians were killed in an airstrike that may have killed 90 in Afghanistan. What about the rest of those killed? Who were they? Well, the Taliban hijacked fuel tankers, and other people gathered to siphon off the fuel:

NATO officials acknowledged that coalition aircraft had destroyed two hijacked fuel tankers in the tiny village of Omar Kheil, 15 miles south of Kunduz. They said they were investigating reports of civilian deaths, but stressed that the attack was aimed at Taliban militants.

German forces in northern Afghanistan under NATO command called in the attack, news services reported. Afghan officials said that the strike had killed insurgents as well as civilians who had surrounded the trucks and were siphoning fuel when the strike occurred. There were differing accounts of how many civilians were killed.

The village, which is on the border of the districts of Ali Abad and Char Dara, is controlled by Taliban commanders, said the Ali Abad governor, Haji Habibullah. Putting the toll at “80 to 90,” he said, “Some of them were civilians and some of them were Taliban fighters.”

866 MandyManners  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 7:43:26am

re: #859 cronus

Ben Smith at Politico is adding more. (Warning: His examples also link to Rense)

Trutherism-lite, and a second Jones tie

Does he have a source independent of Rense?

867 SixDegrees  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 7:43:28am

re: #835 iceweasel

No, we're saying that Tapper, like many in the MSM, is a lazy bastard who relies on 'unnamed sources' and is all too willing to support total bs in his rush to be on top of the 24/7 news cycle.

I'll go further. Assuming Tapper is a typical Left-leaning journalist (I honestly don't know; I've never heard of him until today) he's probably going to pass along such information with delight simply because it reinforces the Leftist meme that the Right is currently inhabited by frothing-at-the-mouth stark raving lunatics.

I've said this before: If I were a Democrat looking to discredit the GOP, I couldn't buy better support for my plans than what Glen Beck provides for free. I would be doing everything I could to boost his profile and viewership, because his rantings make everyone associated with the Right look like are-tards.

868 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 7:44:14am

re: #839 aboo-Hoo-Hoo

Would liberals have the guts to declare war on Nazi Germany today?
Would that still happen today? Robin Shepherd, in the excellent A State Beyond The Pale: Europe’s Problem With Israel, writes a chapter called “Europe’s broken back” in which he explains that Europe’s pacificism is not, despite what it likes to believe, a symptom of maturity, but of tiredness, nihilism and suicide...
.

A tired nihilism that stems from their socialist nanny states, that we have been protecting through our military for over 50 years. If we head down the same road, who is going to protect us while we castrate our military? Make no mistake, we cannot project our power globally to fight the international jihad & have a socialist health care system. There isn't enough money, real or pretend, to support both.

869 Mad Al-Jaffee  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 7:44:38am

re: #865 lawhawk

The moonbats should be calling Obama a war criminal and murderer right about now. Right? And what do I hear from them? Crickets.

870 BARACK THE VOTE  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 7:44:46am

re: #859 cronus

Ben Smith at Politico is adding more. (Warning: His examples also link to Rense)

Typical. Politico has a history of what we in the progsphere derisively call Drudge-bait. They often parrot Drudge stories or shill to get a Drudge link.

Not saying everything they do is always wrong, just pointing out the history.

If I had to have guessed what 'legitimate' sources would run with this, it would have been Tapper and Politico. People are free to doubt me on this, but it's true.

871 vxbush  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 7:44:51am

Back in a bit.

872 MandyManners  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 7:45:16am

re: #866 MandyManners

Does he have a source independent of Rense?

Nope.

873 MJ  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 7:45:53am

re: #865 lawhawk

So, some civilians were killed in an airstrike that may have killed 90 in Afghanistan. What about the rest of those killed? Who were they? Well, the Taliban hijacked fuel tankers, and other people gathered to siphon off the fuel:

So Lawhawk, think Britain will call for a boycott of NATO as did during the Gaza incursion or perhaps Sweden will run an article saying that NATO killed these civilians in order to harvest their organs. Maybe the UN will send Richard Falk over there and start an investigation into human rights violations by NATO.

874 MandyManners  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 7:46:12am

re: #867 SixDegrees

I've seen Tapper slammed here as being a typical Left-leaning reporter.

875 tfc3rid  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 7:46:59am

re: #867 SixDegrees

Folks on right may seem like frothing at the mouth lunatics, but boy, they sure have been correct about a lot of this... Just sayin'.

All I need to know about Van Jones is seeing him on YouTube and hearing him in his own words. His ideas are radical. He is a radical. Period.

876 Walter Cronanty  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 7:47:02am

re: #861 MandyManners
If he didn't sign it, why does an unnamed "aide" claim that he didn't "carefully review the language in the petition"?

[Link: www.foxnews.com...]

"In addition, an aide to Jones told FOX News the Green Jobs Czar "did not carefully review the language in the petition."

877 VioletTiger  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 7:47:10am

re: #856 Walter L. Newton

Sound like that's what's happening. Or, someone is using you email address as the return address and mailing from their computer or server.

Does you computer's hard drive light flash a lot when you are doing nothing, as in not clicking, not streaming a video etc. If you notice a lot of hard drive activity when you are idle at your computer, that could be an indication.

There are a few more technical ways to check if some rogue program is running with out you noticing.


Hmmm, I will look for that. I ran three virus programs and they did not pick up a thing.
The emails I am getting look angry. I can't read Chinese but I think they are probably saying the Chinese version of F-off!

878 Mad Al-Jaffee  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 7:47:13am

re: #874 MandyManners

I've seen Tapper slammed here as being a typical Left-leaning reporter.

He seemed that way to me when he wrote for the Washington City Paper, but that was a long time ago.

879 MJ  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 7:47:44am

re: #866 MandyManners

Does he have a source independent of Rense?

I haven't been able to find any and I've been looking. They all link back up to Rense.

880 tfc3rid  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 7:47:53am

re: #874 MandyManners

I've seen Tapper slammed here as being a typical Left-leaning reporter.

Tapper is about as fair as any mainstream media White House correspondent.

881 kcladderman  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 7:48:34am

re: #875 tfc3rid

Folks on right may seem like frothing at the mouth lunatics, but boy, they sure have been correct about a lot of this... Just sayin'.

All I need to know about Van Jones is seeing him on YouTube and hearing him in his own words. His ideas are radical. He is a radical. Period.

That was the old Van Jones he has changed. His past doesn't count.
/

882 Danny  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 7:49:08am

The VJ/Truther question doesn't matter IMHO. It's a fact that VJ is hard left in his philosophical beliefs. That's enough right there.

883 MJ  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 7:49:14am

Does anyone know why the White House Press briefing wasn't posted on-line?
Was there a Press briefing yesterday?

884 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 7:50:00am

re: #874 MandyManners

I've seen Tapper slammed here as being a typical Left-leaning reporter.

That was before, this is now.
///

885 yma o hyd  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 7:50:15am

re: #873 MJ

So Lawhawk, think Britain will call for a boycott of NATO as did during the Gaza incursion or perhaps Sweden will run an article saying that NATO killed these civilians in order to harvest their organs. Maybe the UN will send Richard Falk over there and start an investigation into human rights violations by NATO.

I think Gord, speaking for the UK (still, as of this moment ...!)) won't say a peep.
After all, haven't people here, and in the USA, been calling for the NATO forces to blydi well get their fingers out and do something?

From that link lawhawk provided:
'German forces in northern Afghanistan under NATO command called in the attack, news services reported.'

As for Sweden ... and the UN ... all bets are open!

886 MandyManners  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 7:50:42am

re: #876 Walter Cronanty

If he didn't sign it, why does an unnamed "aide" claim that he didn't "carefully review the language in the petition"?

[Link: www.foxnews.com...]

"In addition, an aide to Jones told FOX News the Green Jobs Czar "did not carefully review the language in the petition."

This might bring us closer to the truth but, who is the aide?

887 MandyManners  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 7:51:29am

re: #878 Mad Al-Jaffee

He seemed that way to me when he wrote for the Washington City Paper, but that was a long time ago.

I remember reading him during the election. He did not seem to be overly fond of FCBBHO as time went on.

888 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 7:51:35am

re: #875 tfc3rid

How have you been? I was afraid you went the way of the Mets & were on a suicide watch or something!

889 BARACK THE VOTE  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 7:51:45am

re: #867 SixDegrees

I'll go further. Assuming Tapper is a typical Left-leaning journalist (I honestly don't know; I've never heard of him until today) he's probably going to pass along such information with delight simply because it reinforces the Leftist meme that the Right is currently inhabited by frothing-at-the-mouth stark raving lunatics.

I've said this before: If I were a Democrat looking to discredit the GOP, I couldn't buy better support for my plans than what Glen Beck provides for free. I would be doing everything I could to boost his profile and viewership, because his rantings make everyone associated with the Right look like are-tards.

Tapper is a tool with a history of breathlessly 'reporting' shite. I can dig up links and examples but I have to say I'm feeling cranky and lazy at the moment. he'll pass along shite not to enforce a leftist meme but because he's a lazy fuck who wants to be on top of the cycle. (i know that describes most of the MSM, but tapper really is bad. If anything, in his reportage he leans towards unfounded stories that discredit the left and Obama. And 'unnamed sources' are always credible to him-- though he shares that with WaPo, the NYT, and others.)

If I were a partisan or a Democrat (I am neither) I suppose maybe I'd cheer Beck on, as well as the continuing collapse of the GOP. But I don't like having only one viable party, I don't like having one party in control of everything, and I really, really don't like the vibrant vein of crazy that Beck and too many in the GOP are tapping into right now.

Bad for the GOP, bad for the discourse, bad for the country, IMO.

Better opposition party, pls.

890 MandyManners  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 7:52:06am

re: #879 MJ

I haven't been able to find any and I've been looking. They all link back up to Rense.

I reckon the only way to check it out is to Google those groups.

891 MJ  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 7:52:40am

re: #885 yma o hyd

I think Gord, speaking for the UK (still, as of this moment ...!)) won't say a peep.
After all, haven't people here, and in the USA, been calling for the NATO forces to blydi well get their fingers out and do something?

From that link lawhawk provided:
'German forces in northern Afghanistan under NATO command called in the attack, news services reported.'

As for Sweden ... and the UN ... all bets are open!

The Double Standard for the IDF vs. NATO is simply stunning.
One impossible rule for the Jews, anything goes for everyone else.

892 VioletTiger  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 7:52:50am

re: #882 Danny

The VJ/Truther question doesn't matter IMHO. It's a fact that VJ is hard left in his philosophical beliefs. That's enough right there.

It's plenty for me, too.
The WH will do one of two things--issue statements by him or from him directly that deny everything, or kick him under the bus. It depends on how much they want him around. There's too much bad press to keep him, imo.

I still would love to hear somebody interview him, but doubt that will happen.

893 SixDegrees  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 7:53:11am

re: #875 tfc3rid

Folks on right may seem like frothing at the mouth lunatics, but boy, they sure have been correct about a lot of this... Just sayin'.

All I need to know about Van Jones is seeing him on YouTube and hearing him in his own words. His ideas are radical. He is a radical. Period.

That is certainly true; there is plenty to criticize Jones for without dipping into the Troofer cesspool. And there are actual, verifiable quotes written or spoken by Jones that demonstrate his views - something apparently totally lacking when it comes to his alleged Trooferism.

The problem is the focus on what seems to be bullshit claims - at best, they're unsubstantiated - that will easily diminish credibility and damage other, more concrete criticisms. People just aren't likely to believe anything you've said once you've delivered a rant about being pursued by Bigfoot who was directed by government mind control rays that leaked through your tinfoil helmet.

894 MandyManners  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 7:53:25am

re: #880 tfc3rid

Tapper is about as fair as any mainstream media White House correspondent.

And, he's cuter than a bug in a rug.

Seriously, he seems to have a good record. But, WHY DOES HE LINK TO RENSE WITH NO CORROBORATING SOURCES?

895 KenJen  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 7:53:31am

re: #883 MJ

Does anyone know why the White House Press briefing wasn't posted on-line?
Was there a Press briefing yesterday?

I thought that this administration holds press briefings 24/7. Seems that way.

896 tfc3rid  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 7:53:53am

re: #888 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

How have you been? I was afraid you went the way of the Mets & were on a suicide watch or something!

Nah... Lots going on... Getting married in May, moving to the Atlanta suburbs in November... Leaving my overtaxed and frustrated home in New York...

897 MandyManners  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 7:53:59am

Fuck spelling and fuck grammar.

898 avanti  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 7:54:45am

My opinion on the Van Jones deal is for Obama to take a hard look at the facts of the issue, and not the hysteria. If Jones just flirted with the far left, made a few judgment errors, but is otherwise a great fit for the job, the POTUS should keep him. If the POTUS folds up like a tent whenever Beck and others start a Joe McCarthy style character assassination, no one will survive the assault.
If Jones is truly guilty of something that would disqualify him, we have a vetting issue to deal with after he's asked to leave.

899 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 7:54:59am

re: #889 iceweasel

Tapper is a tool with a history of breathlessly 'reporting' shite. I can dig up links and examples but I have to say I'm feeling cranky and lazy at the moment. he'll pass along shite not to enforce a leftist meme but because he's a lazy fuck who wants to be on top of the cycle. (i know that describes most of the MSM, but tapper really is bad. If anything, in his reportage he leans towards unfounded stories that discredit the left and Obama. And 'unnamed sources' are always credible to him-- though he shares that with WaPo, the NYT, and others.)

If I were a partisan or a Democrat (I am neither) I suppose maybe I'd cheer Beck on, as well as the continuing collapse of the GOP. But I don't like having only one viable party, I don't like having one party in control of everything, and I really, really don't like the vibrant vein of crazy that Beck and too many in the GOP are tapping into right now.

Bad for the GOP, bad for the discourse, bad for the country, IMO.

Better opposition party, pls.

In some circles, this is called "eating their own."

900 Mad Al-Jaffee  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 7:55:26am

re: #897 MandyManners

Fuck spelling and fuck grammar.

in bed

901 BARACK THE VOTE  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 7:56:13am

re: #887 MandyManners

I remember reading him during the election. He did not seem to be overly fond of FCBBHO as time went on.

Yep. Don't know his personal politics-- he probably voted for Obama, like most in the media -- but his reportage leaned anti-Obama if anything. Nothing wrong with that at all, of course, but he's reported a lot a crap before.

Like I said: If i ever have to predict the two 'legitimate' sources in the MSM that will report a wingnut meme or right-leaning unfounded rumour, it is always Tapper and Politico. Not just my opinion, but one widely shared by the people on the left interested in the meta-media watch: reporting how the reporting gets done.

902 Danny  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 7:56:31am

re: #892 VioletTiger

It's plenty for me, too.
The WH will do one of two things--issue statements by him or from him directly that deny everything, or kick him under the bus. It depends on how much they want him around. There's too much bad press to keep him, imo.

I still would love to hear somebody interview him, but doubt that will happen.

Exactly. They'll watch to see if it fades away, but if it keeps on rubbing them raw, then he'll get kicked to the curb.

903 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 7:56:55am

re: #897 MandyManners

Fuck spelling and fuck grammar.

But I barely know your grammar!

904 rw in san diego  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 7:56:57am

Good morning, all.

Has anyone commented on this video of Pete Stark telling us that we're so stupid we don't realize that a huge national debt only defines how rich we are! This is the most insane and incredibly arrogant diatribe I've heard on the subject.

905 [deleted]  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 7:57:41am
906 BARACK THE VOTE  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 7:57:53am

re: #894 MandyManners

And, he's cuter than a bug in a rug.

Seriously, he seems to have a good record. But, WHY DOES HE LINK TO RENSE WITH NO CORROBORATING SOURCES?

Because he's done similar shit before. Big fan of 'unnamed sources' and bad sources, is our boy Jake.

907 Lincolntf  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 7:58:00am

I don't get why people are finding it so hard to believe that he's a Troofer. What was the percentage of Dems in general who did? Something like 20-30%? He's obviously at the far Left of the Dem spectrum, he has a history of joining up with radical progressive/Marxist groups, and his rhetoric regarding other issues sounds a lot like the rhetoric used by the Troofers.
None of that is proof of course, but a reasonable person would consider all of it while waiting for whatever "proof" is ultimately deemed acceptable by both sides.
My opinion, he naturally joined the Troofer movement because it's what radical professional activists do. They move around on each other's "boards" and "committees" looking for gripes/influence/opportunity to score media points/money, etc.
Whether or not he ever gave the issue any real thought, we may never know.

908 lawhawk  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 7:58:31am

re: #898 avanti

My opinion on the Van Jones deal is for Obama to take a hard look at the facts of the issue, and not the hysteria. If Jones just flirted with the far left, made a few judgment errors, but is otherwise a great fit for the job, the POTUS should keep him. If the POTUS folds up like a tent whenever Beck and others start a Joe McCarthy style character assassination, no one will survive the assault.
If Jones is truly guilty of something that would disqualify him, we have a vetting issue to deal with after he's asked to leave.

Hold the phone there. Obama allowed an admitted tax cheat to remain as his nominee for the Treasury Dept, which oversees the IRS. He was confirmed by the Senate - controlled by Democrats.

He's not going to fold because of the Trooferism-links, and he certainly isn't going to fold because of as you say flirting with the far left, when there are plenty of links between Obama and the radical left.

Moreover, if he does anything, it's going to be done today so that he can do a Friday night news dump before a holiday weekend. And then he'll continue to rely on Jones as an outside adviser who doesn't have to go through confirmation or any other outside oversight. Business as usual.

Jones fits in perfectly with all the other Administration moves...

909 yma o hyd  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 7:59:20am

re: #891 MJ

The Double Standard for the IDF vs. NATO is simply stunning.
One impossible rule for the Jews, anything goes for everyone else.

To be sure!

Don't say that surprises you the least bit, though.
Sigh.

910 Diego  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 7:59:21am

 
Wouldn't it be nice if we could add commenters as favorites rather than, or as well as, their comment? I assumed (I know, silly me) that was what the 'favorites' was about and was disappointed to find out otherwise.

I've seen a number of commenters who I'd like to 'follow' (ie: see what comments they are making) and it would be a great addition, which wouldn't be difficult at all to code and implement.

Oh, and g'mornin' everyone :¬)

911 MJ  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 7:59:25am

re: #901 iceweasel

"...Not just my opinion, but one widely shared by the people on the left interested in the meta-media watch: reporting how the reporting gets done..."

People on the Left? Are you serious? The same people who tell me that the "Israeli Lobby" controls the media?

Right. Their criticism isn't much more credible than Rense.

912 MandyManners  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 7:59:34am

re: #898 avanti

My opinion on the Van Jones deal is for Obama to take a hard look at the facts of the issue, and not the hysteria. If Jones just flirted with the far left, made a few judgment errors, but is otherwise a great fit for the job, the POTUS should keep him. If the POTUS folds up like a tent whenever Beck and others start a Joe McCarthy style character assassination, no one will survive the assault.
If Jones is truly guilty of something that would disqualify him, we have a vetting issue to deal with after he's asked to leave.

"FLIRTED"? Hell, he courted and married the far left.

913 rw in san diego  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 8:00:04am

re: #904 rw in san diego

Good morning, all.

Has anyone commented on this video of Pete Stark telling us that we're so stupid we don't realize that a huge national debt only defines how rich we are! This is the most insane and incredibly arrogant diatribe I've heard on the subject.

Sorry the link didn't post.
Pete Stark

914 Danny  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 8:00:07am

re: #907 Lincolntf

I don't know if he was or not, but my opinion is that he would have espoused it somewhere or other, given he espoused about everything else he could to criticize Bush. Fact is, nobody has yet produced any direct quotes from him spewing truther crap.

915 SixDegrees  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 8:00:09am

re: #907 Lincolntf

I don't get why people are finding it so hard to believe that he's a Troofer. What was the percentage of Dems in general who did? Something like 20-30%? He's obviously at the far Left of the Dem spectrum, he has a history of joining up with radical progressive/Marxist groups, and his rhetoric regarding other issues sounds a lot like the rhetoric used by the Troofers.
None of that is proof of course, but a reasonable person would consider all of it while waiting for whatever "proof" is ultimately deemed acceptable by both sides.
My opinion, he naturally joined the Troofer movement because it's what radical professional activists do. They move around on each other's "boards" and "committees" looking for gripes/influence/opportunity to score media points/money, etc.
Whether or not he ever gave the issue any real thought, we may never know.

We're questioning the evidence presented to shore up that assumption, not the likelihood of the assumption itself.

Without any credible evidence, all that's left is pure speculation based on nothing but air.

I'd like criticisms of the opposition to be based on demonstrable fact, not emotional assumptions.

916 SurferDoc  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 8:00:29am

According to my scorecard everyone is lying but Van Jones.

917 VioletTiger  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 8:01:50am

re: #898 avanti

If you read the Obama vetting questionaire, it asks for anything that may embarass the pres., true or not.
The fact that all of this stuff is tumbling out proves the vetting process was shoddy, at best.

918 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 8:02:02am

re: #916 SurferDoc

According to my scorecard everyone is lying but Van Jones.

Everything I say is a lie.
Except that.
And that.
And that.

919 Diego  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 8:02:07am

re: #896 tfc3rid

Getting married in May, moving to the Atlanta suburbs in November.

Congrats :) Where in HOTlanta at you thinking of? I met my wife there.

920 Walter Cronanty  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 8:02:09am

re: #898 avanti

He didn't "flirt with the left." He got in bed with it and spawned several groups of left-wing whack jobs.
[Link: www.foxnews.com...]
•Started his career as a prison-reform advocate in Oakland lobbying for reform of the juvenile justice system and youth-violence prevention programs.
•Co-founded a socialist collective, Standing Together to Organize a Revolutionary Movement, or STORM, in 1994, which held study groups on the theories of Marx and Lenin and dreamed of a multiracial socialist utopia. The group protested police brutality.
•Co-founded the Ella Baker Center for Human Rights in 1996 and Color of Change in 2005, which includes Bay Area Police Watch, a group devoted to "protect(ing) the community from police misconduct."

Did you happen to read any of Zombie's posts about him yesterday?

921 MandyManners  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 8:02:28am

re: #906 iceweasel

Because he's done similar shit before. Big fan of 'unnamed sources' and bad sources, is our boy Jake.

The use of unnamed sources are not unusual but, the link to Rense bugs me.

However, my mind was made up about Van Jones not long after July 21 when Charles posted a thread about him.

922 tfc3rid  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 8:02:32am

Hey BVDM, drop me an email...

923 lawhawk  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 8:02:42am

re: #916 SurferDoc

According to my scorecard everyone is lying but Van Jones.

No True Troofer? Or is that No True Leftist?

924 tfc3rid  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 8:02:58am

re: #919 Diego

Congrats :) Where in HOTlanta at you thinking of? I met my wife there.

Looking to rent in the Perimeter/Dunwoody area.

925 KenJen  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 8:03:04am

Check out Baron Hill(D) at a townhall meeting in Indiana.

926 Spenser (with an S)  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 8:03:24am

re: #912 MandyManners

"FLIRTED"? Hell, he courted and married the far left.

more times than Elizabeth Taylor!

927 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 8:03:37am

And let's not forget that this green czar, Van Jones, who will be leading science in the direction of a greener economy, is a Fellow at that bastion of science The Institute of Noetic Sciences.

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

928 avanti  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 8:03:50am

re: #912 MandyManners

"FLIRTED"? Hell, he courted and married the far left.

Fair enough, but being far right, or far left is not a automatic disqualifier for a administration post, especially a minor green jobs guy.

929 Danny  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 8:04:03am

re: #896 tfc3rid

Nah... Lots going on... Getting married in May, moving to the Atlanta suburbs in November... Leaving my overtaxed and frustrated home in New York...

Are you planning a big family? If so, Diego's your man!

930 Walter Cronanty  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 8:04:07am

re: #912 MandyManners
You beat me to it.

931 lawhawk  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 8:04:20am

re: #917 VioletTiger

If you read the Obama vetting questionaire, it asks for anything that may embarass the pres., true or not.
The fact that all of this stuff is tumbling out proves the vetting process was shoddy, at best.

Obama's vetting process has been exposed as a mess from the outset. When he was nominating people with tax troubles repeatedly, you had to know something was amiss. Nothing's changed. It's the same screwed up process, and it's not going to change because Obama can still get these guys confirmed. Only caveat is that Obama hasn't bothered to send up names for confirmation to dozens of key positions. Still.

932 unrealizedviewpoint  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 8:04:22am

re: #907 Lincolntf

Stop with the logic.

933 MJ  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 8:04:29am

re: #925 KenJen

Check out Baron Hill(D) at a townhall meeting in Indiana.

Yeah, saw that. What an arrogant, pompous, bastard.
Someone should remind who he works for.

934 BARACK THE VOTE  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 8:05:01am

re: #910 Diego

 
Wouldn't it be nice if we could add commenters as favorites rather than, or as well as, their comment? I assumed (I know, silly me) that was what the 'favorites' was about and was disappointed to find out otherwise.

I've seen a number of commenters who I'd like to 'follow' (ie: see what comments they are making) and it would be a great addition, which wouldn't be difficult at all to code and implement.

Oh, and g'mornin' everyone :¬)

hey, diego. S'up? :)

There's so many nifty features on this site I still haven't explored em all myself yet, but you can do a search in the box above on the right on user:Diego (or whoever) and get a return of all their recent comments (I think?). or click someone's avatar and select 'recent comments'.

I'm sure there are loads of other ways too and the lizard community will chime in and correct me or add.

935 VioletTiger  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 8:05:38am

re: #931 lawhawk

Obama's vetting process has been exposed as a mess from the outset. When he was nominating people with tax troubles repeatedly, you had to know something was amiss. Nothing's changed. It's the same screwed up process, and it's not going to change because Obama can still get these guys confirmed. Only caveat is that Obama hasn't bothered to send up names for confirmation to dozens of key positions. Still.

He's in over his head on so many levels.

936 Lincolntf  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 8:05:52am

re: #915 SixDegrees

I'm not suggesting "emotional assumptions". Don't know who is.
That said, not every issue needs one side to be lying or insane. I'm just pointing out facts/opinions/experiences that make me think that he was probably a "Troofer", at least in name.

Am I 100% sure? Nope.

937 MandyManners  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 8:06:27am

re: #916 SurferDoc

According to my scorecard everyone is lying but Van Jones.

What about his monkey?


938 MandyManners  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 8:07:00am

re: #928 avanti

Fair enough, but being far right, or far left is not a automatic disqualifier for a administration post, especially a minor green jobs guy.

THAT'S NOT THE FUCKING POINT.

939 SixDegrees  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 8:07:03am

re: #927 Walter L. Newton

And let's not forget that this green czar, Van Jones, who will be leading science in the direction of a greener economy, is a Fellow at that bastion of science The Institute of Noetic Sciences.

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

This is an extremely legitimate criticism. Anyone providing scientific advice to the Administration needs to have a solid scientific background, and membership in NI is a gigantic blow against such a background. It's the antithesis of rational, scientific thought. Putting an NI member in such an advisory position is tantamount to firing your science advisor and replacing them with an Oogie-Boogie advisor.

940 Diego  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 8:07:06am

re: #924 tfc3rid

Looking to rent in the Perimeter/Dunwoody area.


Good choice, rather central while stil outside the loop. I miss Atlanta, had a lot of fun there.

941 BARACK THE VOTE  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 8:07:53am

re: #914 Danny

I don't know if he was or not, but my opinion is that he would have espoused it somewhere or other, given he espoused about everything else he could to criticize Bush. Fact is, nobody has yet produced any direct quotes from him spewing truther crap.

Another fact is: criticising Bush or the war is not the same as being a truther.

942 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 8:08:04am

re: #922 tfc3rid

Hey BVDM, drop me an email...

Just did

943 tfc3rid  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 8:08:26am

There is a link to the item referenced from Rense from a website that is run by David Radcliffe who is a big time 9/11 truther...

The Rense item was originally published in War Times from January 29, 2002. I won't lik but I found it when I did a Google search on Jan Adams.

944 MandyManners  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 8:08:27am

re: #928 avanti

Fair enough, but being far right, or far left is not a automatic disqualifier for a administration post, especially a minor green jobs guy.

Do you really think that Pres. Bush would have not been roasted over the very flames of hell if he had appointed someone who is as far to the right as Jones is to the left?

945 VioletTiger  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 8:09:07am

re: #928 avanti

Fair enough, but being far right, or far left is not a automatic disqualifier for a administration post, especially a minor green jobs guy.

Why do you think this is a minor job?

946 badger1970  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 8:09:30am

re: #907 Lincolntf

There's not enough proof out there to said yea or most likely nay on the troofer identity. Extraordinary claims need extraordinary proof (or something like that). Van Jones is a nutter who is not fit for a "czar" job but a troofer? Who knows? His history disqualifies him as a reasonable person.

947 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 8:09:33am

re: #935 VioletTiger

He's in over his head on so many levels.

"Above my pay grade"

948 MandyManners  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 8:10:01am

re: #944 MandyManners

Do you really think that Pres. Bush would have not been roasted over the very flames of hell if he had appointed someone who is as far to the right as Jones is to the left?

THAT'S NOT THE FUCKING POINT, EITHER.

949 Spare O'Lake  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 8:10:07am

And speaking of politically motivated anti-Semitic boycotts:

[Link: www.nationalpost.com...]


Thank you Jane Fonda and Danny Glover, you ignorant pieces of shit.

950 avanti  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 8:11:00am

re: #938 MandyManners

THAT'S NOT THE FUCKING POINT.

And your signature cut and paste comment is not exactly illuminating.

951 SurferDoc  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 8:11:05am

re: #937 MandyManners

What about his monkey?

[Video]

I'm not sure but he does look sorta shifty around the eyes.

952 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 8:11:06am

re: #939 SixDegrees

This is an extremely legitimate criticism. Anyone providing scientific advice to the Administration needs to have a solid scientific background, and membership in NI is a gigantic blow against such a background. It's the antithesis of rational, scientific thought. Putting an NI member in such an advisory position is tantamount to firing your science advisor and replacing them with an Oogie-Boogie advisor.

And considering the large science emphasis on this blog, I would think that this alone would be enough in the least to question why this man is in the position he is in?

953 aboo-Hoo-Hoo  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 8:11:10am

Anybody have a line on hardened triple reset buttons?

Saudis eyeing more than Russian choppers

As Russia closes in on a $2 billion deal to sell arms to Saudi Arabia, reports reveal Riyadh's shopping list could include more than combat helicopters.

"All technical and financial issues have been practically coordinated," an undisclosed source privy to the negotiations told the Moscow-based Interfax news agency.
[...]
Still, the major deal with Rosoboronexport State Corp., Russia's state-owned arms export monopoly, is said to include up to 30 Mi-35 attack helicopters and up to 120 Mi-171B, the export take of the popular Mi-17 Hip multipurpose helicopter.

Defense analysts say the deal also consists of some 150 T-90s main battle tanks and about 250 BMP-3 infantry fighting vehicles. Russia's state-of-the-art S-400 triumph missile system was also on the Riyadh's charts.

It should probably be noted the Fraud's started working on parts of this deal with Putin in late 06'/early 07'.

954 Diego  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 8:11:17am

re: #934 iceweasel

hey, diego. S'up? :)

There's so many nifty features on this site I still haven't explored em all myself yet, but you can do a search in the box above on the right on user:Diego (or whoever) and get a return of all their recent comments (I think?). or click someone's avatar and select 'recent comments'.

I'm sure there are loads of other ways too and the lizard community will chime in and correct me or add.

Morning m8ty, and thanks :¬)

955 BARACK THE VOTE  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 8:11:43am

re: #911 MJ

"...Not just my opinion, but one widely shared by the people on the left interested in the meta-media watch: reporting how the reporting gets done..."

People on the Left? Are you serious? The same people who tell me that the "Israeli Lobby" controls the media?

Right. Their criticism isn't much more credible than Rense.

And people who believe the Israeli lobby controls the media-- whoever the hell the israeli lobby is supposed to be-- aren't "Teh Left".

Your generalisation about the left is no more credible than the equivalent one about the right: 'Everyone on the right tells me that Obama is setting up FEMA camps for re-education!"

Both are bullshit.

956 Ojoe  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 8:12:02am

re: #928 avanti

OK but Van Jones wrote this book, "The Green Collar Economy" and it is political and has no sun angles in it at all, or information about heat. I think this shows he is not qualified.

— Ojoe, architect.

957 SixDegrees  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 8:12:24am

re: #941 iceweasel

Another fact is: criticising Bush or the war is not the same as being a truther.

No, but Danny's point is a good one: Jones has no trouble at all running his mouth about all sorts of radical issues and beliefs, and the absence of any written or recorded quotes of him ranting about melted steel or remote-controlled aircraft is extremely odd for an alleged Troofer. He's never been shy about speaking on any other topic, even profoundly out-of-the-mainstream ones. In fact, he seems to rather gravitate toward being outre. I can't see him keeping his mouth shut about something as bizarre as Trooferism if he held any stake in it.

958 jcm  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 8:12:43am

re: #921 MandyManners

The use of unnamed sources are not unusual but, the link to Rense bugs me.

However, my mind was made up about Van Jones not long after July 21 when Charles posted a thread about him.

Mornin' Honcos.

Van Jones is / was a Marxist (STORM). Wandering through the Ella Baker Foundation it's full of the the Peace / Justice themes, so he has drifted far from his roots. It seems he's found a new coat to put on the same old watermelon ideas, eco-capitalism.

As to the troofer business, we have 3 uncorroborated sources, 2 are unrealiable 911truth.org petition, the RENSE protest announcement and the zombie's personal knowledge. Unless the the first 2 are out and out recent forgeries to discredit accounts they appear to be contemporary accounts of the troofer movement activities. They could very well have been adding names of local activists to bolster their credibility. Unless we have some of those activists come forward and say yes Van Jones was in the middle of it, we won't know for certain. It is pretty clear that Van Jones did run in those circles in SF.

959 SixDegrees  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 8:13:45am

re: #952 Walter L. Newton

And considering the large science emphasis on this blog, I would think that this alone would be enough in the least to question why this man is in the position he is in?

Absolutely. As noted several times above, there are plenty of legitimate reasons to criticize Jones without grabbing ahold of the loony.

960 Ojoe  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 8:15:30am

"Let's go to a rally and sign a lot of the petitions on the card tables without really reading them" might just be the operative thing here.

961 MandyManners  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 8:15:32am

re: #943 tfc3rid

There is a link to the item referenced from Rense from a website that is run by David Radcliffe who is a big time 9/11 truther...

The Rense item was originally published in War Times from January 29, 2002. I won't lik but I found it when I did a Google search on Jan Adams.

GREAT HUNTING!

[Link: www.ratical.org...]

962 avanti  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 8:15:54am

re: #944 MandyManners

Do you really think that Pres. Bush would have not been roasted over the very flames of hell if he had appointed someone who is as far to the right as Jones is to the left?

Absolutely, but that does not make it right. I would not have a problem with Bush making Michele Bachmann
a adviser on White House protocol if see would do a kick ass job at party planning, although I'll admit the left would explode. Making her Secretary of State for example would be quite a different issue.

963 BARACK THE VOTE  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 8:17:19am

re: #957 SixDegrees

No, but Danny's point is a good one: Jones has no trouble at all running his mouth about all sorts of radical issues and beliefs, and the absence of any written or recorded quotes of him ranting about melted steel or remote-controlled aircraft is extremely odd for an alleged Troofer. He's never been shy about speaking on any other topic, even profoundly out-of-the-mainstream ones. In fact, he seems to rather gravitate toward being outre. I can't see him keeping his mouth shut about something as bizarre as Trooferism if he held any stake in it.

Agreed. If he were a troofer we'd already have video, pics, or transcripts of him speaking about it. The guy is hardly reticent, as you note. And wingnuttia and the MSM have been crawling all over this story for however long now.
I'm sure he was an outspoken critic of Bush and supported the findings of the 9/11 commission, and he criticised the GWOT. Lots did. This doesn't mean trooferism.

964 MandyManners  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 8:17:32am

re: #956 Ojoe

OK but Van Jones wrote this book, "The Green Collar Economy" and it is political and has no sun angles in it at all, or information about heat. I think this shows he is not qualified.

— Ojoe, architect.

Did he write it or did he "tell" it to a writer?

965 Dreader1962  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 8:17:35am

re: #960 Ojoe

"Let's go to a rally and sign a lot of the petitions on the card tables without really reading them" might just be the operative thing here.

Which is a a really dumb idea - I remember a skit from the 'Man Show' where they had women signing a petition to 'End Women's Suffrage'.

966 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 8:18:09am

re: #959 SixDegrees

Absolutely. As noted several times above, there are plenty of legitimate reasons to criticize Jones without grabbing ahold of the loony.

You are mistaken. I think he is going to crash and burn over the 9/11 stuff, and I think he has a lot of 'splaining to do. I was just dumping a few other rotten apples into his basket.

967 kcladderman  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 8:18:56am

re: #965 Dreader1962

Which is a a really dumb idea - I remember a skit from the 'Man Show' where they had women signing a petition to 'End Women's Suffrage'.

Now that was funny. I laughed about that one for days.

968 Ojoe  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 8:19:00am

re: #964 MandyManners

This I do not know.

969 MandyManners  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 8:19:47am

re: #958 jcm

Mornin' Honcos.

Van Jones is / was a Marxist (STORM). Wandering through the Ella Baker Foundation it's full of the the Peace / Justice themes, so he has drifted far from his roots. It seems he's found a new coat to put on the same old watermelon ideas, eco-capitalism.

As to the troofer business, we have 3 uncorroborated sources, 2 are unrealiable 911truth.org petition, the RENSE protest announcement and the zombie's personal knowledge. Unless the the first 2 are out and out recent forgeries to discredit accounts they appear to be contemporary accounts of the troofer movement activities. They could very well have been adding names of local activists to bolster their credibility. Unless we have some of those activists come forward and say yes Van Jones was in the middle of it, we won't know for certain. It is pretty clear that Van Jones did run in those circles in SF.

See Nos. 943 and 961. The link is not about the petition but about the march.

Also, vxbush's link to Tapper says that an administration source said Jones signed it without reading it.

970 garycooper  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 8:20:16am

re: #927 Walter L. Newton

And let's not forget that this green czar, Van Jones, who will be leading science in the direction of a greener economy, is a Fellow at that bastion of science The Institute of Noetic Sciences.

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

The Noetic Ones have him featured as a "Luminary."

[Link: www.shiftinaction.com...]

Apparently, he glows.

971 avanti  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 8:20:22am

re: #956 Ojoe

OK but Van Jones wrote this book, "The Green Collar Economy" and it is political and has no sun angles in it at all, or information about heat. I think this shows he is not qualified.

— Ojoe, architect.

I have not read the book, so I can't comment. I know his drive for green jobs has a political component and that is not unexpected. I don't see him as a expert on wind or solar technology for example, but more of a job creator for weatherproofing, energy reduction.

972 BARACK THE VOTE  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 8:20:24am

re: #958 jcm

It is pretty clear that Van Jones did run in those circles in SF.

No, it is not. There is no evidence to support that.

973 jcm  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 8:20:41am

From Huffpo...

Van Jones calling (R)s A**holes.

QUESTIONER: When [President George W. Bush] was in office, [Republicans] had a majority; it wasn't 60, it wasn't more than 60, but they pushed through all of these bills," the questioner began. "But when we have, you know, 58, we seem to not be able to move things as progressively as many of us here would want, as Obama wants. I know that he has a strong interest in bipartisanship, but when no Republicans are voting with him, ... how were they Republicans able to push things through when they had less than 60 senators, but somehow we cant?


JONES: Well the answer to that is, they're assholes.

974 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 8:20:54am

re: #965 Dreader1962

Which is a a really dumb idea - I remember a skit from the 'Man Show' where they had women signing a petition to 'End Women's Suffrage'.

Adam: "It's really something to see the ignorance in this country."
Woman signing petition to take away her right to vote: "Ignorance is bliss."

I miss The Man Show. I even became friends with one of the Juggy Girls.

975 MandyManners  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 8:21:08am

re: #945 VioletTiger

Why do you think this is a minor job?

Denial and minimization are two tools of obfuscation.

976 Dreader1962  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 8:21:09am

re: #970 garycooper

The Noetic Ones have him featured as a "Luminary."

[Link: www.shiftinaction.com...]

Apparently, he glows.


We can hook lines to him and use him as a renewable resource!

977 kcladderman  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 8:22:12am

re: #975 MandyManners

Denial and minimization are two tools of obfuscation.

Yea he is a radical leftest but its not like they gave him an important job.
/

978 VioletTiger  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 8:22:13am

re: #970 garycooper

The Noetic Ones have him featured as a "Luminary."

[Link: www.shiftinaction.com...]

Apparently, he glows.


Radioactively, at this point.

979 MandyManners  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 8:22:16am

re: #960 Ojoe

"Let's go to a rally and sign a lot of the petitions on the card tables without really reading them" might just be the operative thing here.

I did this in college a few times. In college.

980 haakondahl  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 8:22:20am

re: #423 taxfreekiller

First, the David Barton's who think the Constitution should be the Bible have to sit down and shut up, he scares all the independents and non Bible thumpers into just staying home or making the D mistake. IMHO.

He can start a huge church, win souls on Sunday like any other preacher.

TFK, if I could upding your whole goddamned county for that one post, I would.

981 SixDegrees  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 8:22:22am

re: #966 Walter L. Newton

You are mistaken. I think he is going to crash and burn over the 9/11 stuff, and I think he has a lot of 'splaining to do. I was just dumping a few other rotten apples into his basket.

The moment there's actual, credible evidence of his attachment to Trooferism, I'll be hounding him for it along with everything else.

Until then, however, I think such attention is harmful. It detracts from the many legitimate, documented stances he's taken in the past.

982 Diego  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 8:22:30am

re: #944 MandyManners

Do you really think that Pres. Bush would have not been roasted over the very flames of hell if he had appointed someone who is as far to the right as Jones is to the left?

Just an example to note:

Monica Goodling — Goodling was the most notorious graduate of Pat Robertson’s Regent University during her tenure in the Justice Department. As the White House liaison at the DOJ, she based the department’s hiring of candidates on their sexual preference, GOP loyalty, and adherence to conservative ideology.

983 garycooper  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 8:22:48am

re: #939 SixDegrees

This is an extremely legitimate criticism. Anyone providing scientific advice to the Administration needs to have a solid scientific background, and membership in NI is a gigantic blow against such a background. It's the antithesis of rational, scientific thought. Putting an NI member in such an advisory position is tantamount to firing your science advisor and replacing them with an Oogie-Boogie advisor.

Not exactly a glowing recommendation, you're giving Mr. Jones.

Note: "Oogie-Boogie" is racist.

984 badger1970  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 8:22:49am

re: #965 Dreader1962

and let's not forget the the di-hydrogen monoxide banning petition for greenies shown on the show BS.

985 Spare O'Lake  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 8:23:07am

re: #949 Spare O'Lake

And speaking of politically motivated anti-Semitic boycotts:

[Link: www.nationalpost.com...]

Thank you Jane Fonda and Danny Glover, you ignorant pieces of shit.


About the petition/letter that 50 actors and others signed:

The declaration states that while the signatories are not protesting the individual filmmakers participating in the program and do not seek to exclude Israeli films from the festival, "in the wake of this year's brutal assault on Gaza, we object to the use of such an important international festival in staging a propaganda campaign on behalf of what South African Archbishop Desmond Tutu, former U.S. president Jimmy Carter and UN General Assembly President Miguel d'Escoto Brockmann have all characterized as an apartheid regime."

Tutu
Carter
UN
Give me a fucking break!

986 Ojoe  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 8:23:18am

re: #979 MandyManners

Many people do that.

BBL, carry on.

987 MandyManners  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 8:23:30am

re: #968 Ojoe

This I do not know.

I saw references to it a few times in my research yesterday. IIRC, the author was a woman.

988 haakondahl  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 8:23:41am

re: #969 MandyManners

See Nos. 943 and 961. The link is not about the petition but about the march.

Also, vxbush's link to Tapper says that an administration source said Jones signed it without reading it.

Sorry, not buying it. "I smoked, but I didn't inhale" is what this is. "I know you can produce witnesses and such to argue facts, but you'll never prove intent, so that's where I'll argue".
It's bullshit.

989 jcm  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 8:23:48am

re: #972 iceweasel

No, it is not. There is no evidence to support that.

He didn't run in hard left circles? The troofer movement started out on the left with places like DU, moveon and ANSWER.

990 MJ  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 8:24:02am

Interesting article on WND role is the Jones matter:

Far-Right Site Gains Influence in Obama Era

Glenn Beck's Van Jones Smear Fueled by WoldNetDaily Reporting

On April 12, the conservative Website WorldNetDaily published an expose on newly appointed White House “green czar” Van Jones that labeled the environmental activists a “an admitted radical communist and black nationalist leader...”

[Link: washingtonindependent.com...]

991 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 8:24:08am

re: #971 avanti

I have not read the book, so I can't comment. I know his drive for green jobs has a political component and that is not unexpected. I don't see him as a expert on wind or solar technology for example, but more of a job creator for weatherproofing, energy reduction.

And it doesn't bother you that Van Jones is a Fellow at a junk science organization... Institute of Noetic Sciences...

"Among the projects the institute has sponsored include a bibliography on the physical and psychological effects of meditation, a spontaneous remission bibliography, and studies on the efficacy of compassionate intention on healing in AIDS patients.[10] They have also conducted a number of parapsychological studies into extra-sensory perception, lucid dreaming, and presentiment."

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

Van Jones should not be allowed near anything that deals with science, such as greening job technology for starts.

992 BARACK THE VOTE  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 8:24:16am

re: #981 SixDegrees

The moment there's actual, credible evidence of his attachment to Trooferism, I'll be hounding him for it along with everything else.

Until then, however, I think such attention is harmful. It detracts from the many legitimate, documented stances he's taken in the past.

Completely agreed, in every sense.

993 MandyManners  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 8:24:35am

re: #977 kcladderman

Yea he is a radical leftest but its not like they gave him an important job.
/

How much are we paying him and the other czars?

994 kcladderman  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 8:24:37am

Later. I get to paint the house this weekend . Yea me!
(Might be the only guy praying for rain this weekend)

995 Spenser (with an S)  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 8:24:54am

re: #976 Dreader1962

We can hook lines to him and use him as a renewable resource!

Racist!

996 garycooper  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 8:25:24am

re: #972 iceweasel

No, it is not. There is no evidence to support that.

You've got to be kidding. There's evidence all over the place! There was less evidence linking OJ to the murders.

997 tfc3rid  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 8:25:33am

re: #981 SixDegrees

Ok... Well, there is some evidence that he has participated in rallies sponsored by groups that support 9/11 trutherism... You do not want to paint him into that picture of being a truther until you know the facts.

Yet there are many on here who are willing to paint the 'Tea Party' goers as 100% in the pocket of the Paulians... Yet there is no evidence for that...

You can't have it both ways.

998 Dreader1962  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 8:25:42am

re: #995 Spenser (with an S)

Racist!

Just want to bask in his glow - how could that be racist?

999 Joshua Cohen  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 8:26:25am

re: #985 Spare O'Lake

Tutu
Carter
UN
Give me a fucking break!

They would never dare it against the religion of pieces - they would fear a fatwa or worse.
But fucking the Jews? Always!

We are to nice!

1000 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 8:26:33am

re: #998 Dreader1962

Just want to bask in his glow - how could that be racist?

Glowist!

1001 BARACK THE VOTE  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 8:26:34am

re: #989 jcm

He didn't run in hard left circles? The troofer movement started out on the left with places like DU, moveon and ANSWER.

Being anti-war, disliking Bush, being on the left, and supporting the 9-11 commission is not the same as being a truther.--

Just like disliking Obama and having serious objections to him and being on the right is not the same as being a nirther.

1002 MandyManners  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 8:27:14am

re: #988 haakondahl

Sorry, not buying it. "I smoked, but I didn't inhale" is what this is. "I know you can produce witnesses and such to argue facts, but you'll never prove intent, so that's where I'll argue".
It's bullshit.

He has not explicitly denied it. And, if Tapper's source in the administration is telling the truth, that's even more damning.

Will the WH come out and flatly deny the source today?

1003 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 8:27:26am

re: #997 tfc3rid

Ok... Well, there is some evidence that he has participated in rallies sponsored by groups that support 9/11 trutherism... You do not want to paint him into that picture of being a truther until you know the facts.

Yet there are many on here who are willing to paint the 'Tea Party' goers as 100% in the pocket of the Paulians... Yet there is no evidence for that...

You can't have it both ways.

Of course you can have it both ways, it happens all the time. Silly person.

1004 BARACK THE VOTE  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 8:28:46am

re: #1003 Walter L. Newton

Of course you can have it both ways, it happens all the time. Silly person.


And what's wrong with that? :)

1005 Spenser (with an S)  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 8:29:11am

re: #993 MandyManners

How much are we paying him and the other czars?

I saw the exact #'s somewhere, let me look. It was around $150k each, I believe.

1006 VioletTiger  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 8:29:39am

re: #997 tfc3rid

Ok... Well, there is some evidence that he has participated in rallies sponsored by groups that support 9/11 trutherism... You do not want to paint him into that picture of being a truther until you know the facts.

Yet there are many on here who are willing to paint the 'Tea Party' goers as 100% in the pocket of the Paulians... Yet there is no evidence for that...

You can't have it both ways.

Well said.

1007 Danny  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 8:29:40am

re: #1001 iceweasel

Being anti-war, disliking Bush, being on the left, and supporting the 9-11 commission is not the same as being a truther.--

Just like disliking Obama and having serious objections to him and being on the right is not the same as being a nirther.

Smoking cigarettes and getting sunburned is not the same thing as getting cancer. ;-)

1008 haakondahl  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 8:30:15am

re: #991 Walter L. Newton

And it doesn't bother you that Van Jones is a Fellow at a junk science organization... Institute of Noetic Sciences...

"Among the projects the institute has sponsored include a bibliography on the physical and psychological effects of meditation, a spontaneous remission bibliography, and studies on the efficacy of compassionate intention on healing in AIDS patients.[10] They have also conducted a number of parapsychological studies into extra-sensory perception, lucid dreaming, and presentiment."

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

Van Jones should not be allowed near anything that deals with science, such as greening job technology for starts.

Who else was in this Noetics thing? Recently, I recall us laughing derisively at somebody else, right?

1009 Spenser (with an S)  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 8:30:40am

re: #998 Dreader1962

Just want to bask in his glow - how could that be racist?

Completely joking about the hooking him up to power lines part, sorry.

1010 BARACK THE VOTE  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 8:30:42am

re: #990 MJ

Good find and link. Cheers for that, MJ.

1011 unrealizedviewpoint  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 8:30:52am

re: #1007 Danny

Smoking cigarettes and getting sunburned is not the same thing as getting cancer. ;-)

Keep smoking and hanging out in the sun and you'll probably get cancer.

1012 MandyManners  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 8:31:01am

re: #991 Walter L. Newton

And it doesn't bother you that Van Jones is a Fellow at a junk science organization... Institute of Noetic Sciences...

"Among the projects the institute has sponsored include a bibliography on the physical and psychological effects of meditation, a spontaneous remission bibliography, and studies on the efficacy of compassionate intention on healing in AIDS patients.[10] They have also conducted a number of parapsychological studies into extra-sensory perception, lucid dreaming, and presentiment."

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

Van Jones should not be allowed near anything that deals with science, such as greening job technology for starts.

Right here on July 21.

Here’s a report on another one of Barack Obama’s “czars” with a background of radical leftism and woo-woo quackery:

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

1013 avanti  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 8:31:34am

re: #945 VioletTiger

Why do you think this is a minor job?

Giving the POTUS advice on creating "green jobs" is not exactly a major position. i.e. suggesting a program to retrain unemployed workers to install storm windows or solar panels is not like setting troop levels. If not for his admitted far left past, we'd have never heard of the guy, he's a very minor player. As a adviser, he only advises the POTUS on policy, he does not make it.

1014 haakondahl  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 8:31:49am

re: #1002 MandyManners

He has not explicitly denied it. And, if Tapper's source in the administration is telling the truth, that's even more damning.

Will the WH come out and flatly deny the source today?

I don't know beans about this, but it seems that Jake Tapper should be one of the more trustworthy sources on this. Not the truthers; not the guy accused of being a truther. SO I'm anxious to see what's behind Tapper's intel.

1015 SixDegrees  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 8:32:16am

re: #997 tfc3rid

Ok... Well, there is some evidence that he has participated in rallies sponsored by groups that support 9/11 trutherism... You do not want to paint him into that picture of being a truther until you know the facts.

Yet there are many on here who are willing to paint the 'Tea Party' goers as 100% in the pocket of the Paulians... Yet there is no evidence for that...

You can't have it both ways.

I'm not aware that anyone has taken the view you're promoting on the Paulians controlling everything and everyone at the Tea Parties. It is undeniable that they have helped in the financing and organizing of many of these events, but I don't know anyone who's claimed they are solely responsible for them.

The evidence that's currently being offered in support of Jones being a Troofer all emanates from Trooferdom itself. As Charles has pointed out, given the choice between believing Jones and believing anything a Troofer says is a no-brainer - Troofers are pathological liars and have promoted all sorts of lies and fraudulent lists of "supporters" in the past.

The comparison doesn't say much at all favorable about Jones. Only that his credibility is a lot stronger than that of any Troofer.

1016 MandyManners  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 8:32:16am

re: #1005 Spenser (with an S)

I saw the exact #'s somewhere, let me look. It was around $150k each, I believe.

Sounds familiar.

I'd like to know how much and to what/whom he donates.

1017 MandyManners  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 8:33:19am

re: #1013 avanti

Giving the POTUS advice on creating "green jobs" is not exactly a major position. i.e. suggesting a program to retrain unemployed workers to install storm windows or solar panels is not like setting troop levels. If not for his admitted far left past, we'd have never heard of the guy, he's a very minor player. As a adviser, he only advises the POTUS on policy, he does not make it.

It goes beyond that and you know it.

1018 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 8:33:33am

re: #1008 haakondahl

Who else was in this Noetics thing? Recently, I recall us laughing derisively at somebody else, right?

No, Van Jones came up here on LGF a number of months ago and we laughing at him and his connection to the Noetic Institute. I don't think we were skewing anyone else.

But if you come up with a likely candidate, pass it on.

1019 gregb  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 8:33:47am

re: #847 VioletTiger

Really off topic...
I have a suspicion that my computer is sending out spam. I keep getting these message not delivered emails and then I also get these weird emails with lots of !!!, in Chinese. My conclusion: VT is spamming China.
Any ideas?

Confirm that your computer is really sending them out. They could just be false-returns, i.e. some other computer used your email address as the sender and you are getting the bounces from some 3rd party server, or the emails are forged returns to get around any spam filters in which case you are tricked into reading the content.

1020 jcm  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 8:33:57am

re: #1001 iceweasel

Being anti-war, disliking Bush, being on the left, and supporting the 9-11 commission is not the same as being a truther.--

Just like disliking Obama and having serious objections to him and being on the right is not the same as being a nirther.

Did I say that?

I said he ran in the same circles. I also did not say being anti-war was equivalent to being a troofer, I said it started there. Now there a moronic convergence of the troofers, left and right.

I also said we don't know for certain. What Van Jones opinions in 2002-04s positions where regarding 9/11 other than what the STORM document says. We also know his group, STORM was Marxist.

If he was a troofer, that's just stupid.

Being a Marxist is whole other kettle of fish, and I don't see a lot of repudiation of those positions.

1021 Killgore Trout  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 8:33:59am

Can We Have Buckley Back?

Within my relatively short lifetime, I still remember a time when success and intellectual achievement were more often than not conservative virtues, and I remember WFB looming large in this framework. Recent Democratic gains within the creative and educated classes have eroded this image, creating a media dynamic where intelligence is seen as aligning with the left within the Democratic Party, and the center within the Republican Party.

That is an untenable position for a conservative movement that needs to generate new ideas and groom future leaders who can speak articulately and persuasively to the whole country. (It's true that Ronald Reagan was not a book learner, but under the theory of multiple intelligences, he more than held his own.) Before conservatism was a viable political movement, it was a viable intellectual movement, and it was those on the center and in the left who were seen as intellectually slovenly.

This is why there is a unique urgency now to cast out the obscurantists and the conspiracy nuts. We don't have a Buckley anymore. Our intellectual giants have died off and not being replaced. And preventing the lowest common denominator from filling the void is a constant daily struggle.

In a movement and a party that has largely defined itself outside centers of higher learning in recent years (for good or ill) I believe the time is ripe for a return to Buckleyite elite conservatism.

1022 alegrias  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 8:34:01am

Today's "The Weekly Standard" blog has entries claiming Gateway Pundit has evidence Van Jones ORGANIZED a Truther event in 2002.

William Kristol also has a betting pool/contest with prizes to bet on when Van Jones will quit.

Sorry if you've already discussed this today.

Have a great Labor Day weekend, and be glad your state governor doesn't offer up your state's public schools for Pres. Obama to use as a propaganda backdrop to "talk" to your children as our democrat governor & DNC chairman Tim Kaine does to Virginia.

1023 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 8:34:24am

re: #1012 MandyManners

Right here on July 21.

Here’s a report on another one of Barack Obama’s “czars” with a background of radical leftism and woo-woo quackery:

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

"Woo-woo" is racist when use in the same sentence with leftism. Please adjust.

1024 Spenser (with an S)  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 8:34:40am

re: #1013 avanti

Giving the POTUS advice on creating "green jobs" is not exactly a major position

Seriously?! Have you not heard a hundred times that this, not drilling for our own oil or making taxes friendly to business, is exactly how we will rise from the ashes of this shitheap. It's all about the green jobs, man!

1025 BARACK THE VOTE  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 8:34:53am

re: #1007 Danny

Smoking cigarettes and getting sunburned is not the same thing as getting cancer. ;-)

No. Both those activites are risk factors for cancer and are causally connected with certain kinds of cancers-- not merely correlated.

Crazy is on both sides of the aisle. Having a certain political affiliation doesn't make you more likely to be crazy or cause you to be crazy in a particular way, even if some affiliations are more correlated with some wacky notions than others.

I know you're basically making a joke, but i get irritated when all of the left is dismissed as nuts, just as I do when all of the right is dismissed that way.

1026 garycooper  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 8:35:13am

re: #997 tfc3rid

Ok... Well, there is some evidence that he has participated in rallies sponsored by groups that support 9/11 trutherism... You do not want to paint him into that picture of being a truther until you know the facts.

Yet there are many on here who are willing to paint the 'Tea Party' goers as 100% in the pocket of the Paulians... Yet there is no evidence for that...

You can't have it both ways.

Yes We Can!

1027 Danny  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 8:35:20am

re: #1020 jcm


Being a Marxist is whole other kettle of fish, and I don't see a lot of repudiation of those positions.

Cuz there ain't none.

1028 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 8:35:36am

re: #1021 Killgore Trout

Can We Have Buckley Back?

Well, if the economy continues the way it is, we can all go visit him soon.

1029 rollwave87  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 8:35:51am

When Media Matters and Daily Kos attack a column this disgusting before the Republicans get around to it, you know you're party's in bad shape...

1030 MandyManners  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 8:35:53am

re: #1014 haakondahl

I don't know beans about this, but it seems that Jake Tapper should be one of the more trustworthy sources on this. Not the truthers; not the guy accused of being a truther. SO I'm anxious to see what's behind Tapper's intel.

Tapper cites Rense as well as an anonymous source in the administration. However, see Nos. 943 and 961 for the link to the War Times story on 1/29/02. Jones' name is on the document as someone opposed to the war.

1031 BARACK THE VOTE  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 8:36:09am

re: #1028 Walter L. Newton

Well, if the economy continues the way it is, we can all go visit him soon.

heh.

1032 Spare O'Lake  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 8:36:20am

re: #999 Joshua Cohen

They would never dare it against the religion of pieces - they would fear a fatwa or worse.
But fucking the Jews? Always!

We are to nice!

You know, ever since Barbarella I always had a soft spot for Jane Fonda. And after I saw her several years back doing the "chop" while sitting with Ted Turner at the world series in Atlanta, I figured she had finally shed her lefty PC mantle.
Well boy was I wrong.
What a douchebag!

1033 MandyManners  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 8:36:48am

re: #1023 Walter L. Newton

"Woo-woo" is racist when use in the same sentence with leftism. Please adjust.

Not my quote.

1034 garycooper  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 8:37:10am

re: #1004 iceweasel

And what's wrong with that? :)

In bed?

1035 BARACK THE VOTE  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 8:37:17am

re: #1030 MandyManners

Tapper cites Rense as well as an anonymous source in the administration. However, see Nos. 943 and 961 for the link to the War Times story on 1/29/02. Jones' name is on the document as someone opposed to the war.

So WHAT? All opponents of the war or Bush critics are truthers?

1036 MandyManners  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 8:37:21am

re: #1023 Walter L. Newton

"Woo-woo" is racist when use in the same sentence with leftism. Please adjust.

I don't see it as racist in the first place.

1037 alegrias  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 8:37:40am

re: #1024 Spenser (with an S)

Seriously?! Have you not heard a hundred times that this, not drilling for our own oil or making taxes friendly to business, is exactly how we will rise from the ashes of this shitheap. It's all about the green jobs, man!

* * *
Then what the heck is the ENERGY DEPARTMENT and its 50,000 employees, doing on our tax dollar?

Environmental Protection Agency is over 30 years old, what the heck are they doing?

1038 VioletTiger  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 8:38:10am

re: #1013 avanti

Giving the POTUS advice on creating "green jobs" is not exactly a major position. i.e. suggesting a program to retrain unemployed workers to install storm windows or solar panels is not like setting troop levels. If not for his admitted far left past, we'd have never heard of the guy, he's a very minor player. As a adviser, he only advises the POTUS on policy, he does not make it.

Then he should get a pay cut, because that sounds like something somebody with much less experience could do. But I would bet the job is much more than that.

1039 rollwave87  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 8:38:14am

re: #1029 rollwave87

When Media Matters and Daily Kos attack a column this disgusting before the Republicans get around to it, you know you're* party's in bad shape...

*sorry, your

1040 BARACK THE VOTE  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 8:38:15am

re: #1034 garycooper

In bed?

I find your restriction to 'bed' to be rather... conservative. To say the least. :)

1041 MandyManners  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 8:38:22am

re: #1035 iceweasel

So WHAT? All opponents of the war or Bush critics are truthers?

Don't put words into my mouth. I never accused him of being a Troofer.

1042 gregb  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 8:38:25am

re: #865 lawhawk

So, some civilians were killed in an airstrike that may have killed 90 in Afghanistan. What about the rest of those killed? Who were they? Well, the Taliban hijacked fuel tankers, and other people gathered to siphon off the fuel:

Some and some--I would have hoped it to be few and most.

1043 VioletTiger  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 8:39:03am

re: #1026 garycooper

Yes We Can!

So that's what that slogan meant./

1044 jcm  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 8:39:09am

re: #1035 iceweasel

So WHAT? All opponents of the war or Bush critics are truthers?

The RENSE document is about a protest demanding an investigation into the governments involvement with 9/11. A little beyond a war protest.

1045 CommonCents  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 8:39:22am

re: #471 SixDegrees

They don't seem to be ignoring him.

I'm with Mandy on this Rangel thing. The mainstream 'F' media is ignoring it. Your google search reveals bupkiss from ABC, NBC, and the links for MSNBC only provide a quote from a Republican about how they are trying to 'get' Pelosi and Rangel. The guys a crook in the official definition of the term.

1046 lawhawk  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 8:39:27am

re: #1035 iceweasel

They were opposing the good war - the war in Afghanistan, which was only underway all of 3 months. The call to go to war in Iraq was only in a discussion phase.

1047 Kosh's Shadow  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 8:39:54am

re: #1028 Walter L. Newton

Well, if the economy continues the way it is, we can all go visit him soon.

You mean if we get Obamacare?
See you at the soylent green factory.

1048 MandyManners  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 8:40:11am

re: #1044 jcm

The RENSE document is about a protest demanding an investigation into the governments involvement with 9/11. A little beyond a war protest.

See Nos. 943 and 961 for the original. It's NOT from Rense.

1049 lorien1973  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 8:40:38am

Van Jones didn't read the 911truth petition very carefully before signing, the white house says.

Apparently, it could have been a petition to put pink bunnies in the lawn of the white house. Cuz 911truth does that sort of stuff, too, right?

1050 unrealizedviewpoint  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 8:41:01am

re: #1029 rollwave87

When Media Matters and Daily Kos attack a column this disgusting before the Republicans get around to it, you know you're party's in bad shape...

Wasn't isn't pulled from other publications also?

1051 Danny  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 8:41:09am

re: #1025 iceweasel

Actually, my point was that VJ's political history makes it seem very plausible to people that he could have been a Truther. Not that he is, but just that it's not a major leap of faith to suspect it. Do I suspect he was? No, I suspect he wasn't based on the lack of evidence that he spouted off Truther garbage somewhere along the way. But still, the VJ-Truther thing is a very easy suspecion to hold.

Anyway, he's hard left so he can blow me regardless.

1052 BARACK THE VOTE  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 8:41:16am

re: #1021 Killgore Trout

Wow, good link, KT. I don't like Ruffini but that was spot on.

1053 Joshua Cohen  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 8:42:12am

re: #1042 gregb

Some and some--I would have hoped it to be few and most.

Hanging out with the Taliban does not pay...
The use human shields...someone called the bluff.

If the politicians do it right - they will not try this stunt again in the near future. If they do it wrong...this is the common thing to scare the military to act at all.

1054 greygandalf  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 8:42:16am

re: #1049 lorien1973

Van Jones didn't read the 911truth petition very carefully before signing, the white house says.

I definitely dont want some in a white house position who doesnt read carefully. Regardless of party.

1055 Danny  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 8:42:18am

re: #1051 Danny

suspecion = suspicion

1056 jcm  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 8:42:33am

re: #1051 Danny

Actually, my point was that VJ's political history makes it seem very plausible to people that he could have been a Truther. Not that he is, but just that it's not a major leap of faith to suspect it. Do I suspect he was? No, I suspect he wasn't based on the lack of evidence that he spouted off Truther garbage somewhere along the way. But still, the VJ-Truther thing is a very easy suspecion to hold.

Anyway, he's hard left so he can blow me regardless.

DING!

1057 BARACK THE VOTE  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 8:42:33am

re: #1046 lawhawk

They were opposing the good war - the war in Afghanistan, which was only underway all of 3 months. The call to go to war in Iraq was only in a discussion phase.

The 'good war' that george will and others on the right just called for us to withdraw from?

Maybe they're truthers too. ///

1058 Killgore Trout  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 8:42:52am

re: #1052 iceweasel

At least there a re people out there thinking about this stuff. The climate isn't right for it now but conservative intellectuals are going to be important at some point in the future.

1059 SixDegrees  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 8:43:04am

re: #1045 CommonCents

I'm with Mandy on this Rangel thing. The mainstream 'F' media is ignoring it. Your google search reveals bupkiss from ABC, NBC, and the links for MSNBC only provide a quote from a Republican about how they are trying to 'get' Pelosi and Rangel. The guys a crook in the official definition of the term.

Uh - the very first links on the Google search are from the Atlanta Constitution, CBS News, Fox News and the Washington Post. Additional media sources abound. They aren't shying away from covering this story.

Yes, Rangel's a crook. And it appears that he may be about to receive his comeuppance. If and when that happens, there will be no shortage of media coverage of it, just as there's been no shortage of coverage throughout the entire sordid affair.

1060 avanti  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 8:43:07am

re: #991 Walter L. Newton

And it doesn't bother you that Van Jones is a Fellow at a junk science organization... Institute of Noetic Sciences...

"Among the projects the institute has sponsored include a bibliography on the physical and psychological effects of meditation, a spontaneous remission bibliography, and studies on the efficacy of compassionate intention on healing in AIDS patients.[10] They have also conducted a number of parapsychological studies into extra-sensory perception, lucid dreaming, and presentiment."

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

Van Jones should not be allowed near anything that deals with science, such as greening job technology for starts.

That does bother me Walter, it would bother me more so if he held a technical, or policy making position. He clearly holds some odd and even extreme idea's, but unless they effect his very limited advisory job, I'll withhold judgment.
i.e., I have a dear friend that is convinced I'm a "old soul" and have had previous lives. She's otherwise a pretty normal gal, but is fascinated with far eastern reincarnation concepts and some other out of mainstream ideas.
BTW, thanks for that link, I'd be curious to know what ideas he supports from that "new age" science organization.

1061 avanti  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 8:44:41am

re: #1017 MandyManners

It goes beyond that and you know it.

I don't Mandy, please get me up to speed on his job.

1062 unrealizedviewpoint  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 8:44:45am

re: #1045 CommonCents

I'm with Mandy on this Rangel thing. The mainstream 'F' media is ignoring it. Your google search reveals bupkiss from ABC, NBC, and the links for MSNBC only provide a quote from a Republican about how they are trying to 'get' Pelosi and Rangel. The guys a crook in the official definition of the term.

Let em ignore it. The folks know, words spreading. The price paid by Pelosi for failing to do her job as Speaker is widely understood too. Hence her 19% approval. Give the folks long enough they can spot a rat.

1063 Kenneth  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 8:44:51am

BlueCanuck

Please email me, my nic is blue.

1064 BARACK THE VOTE  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 8:45:23am

re: #1051 Danny

Actually, my point was that VJ's political history makes it seem very plausible to people that he could have been a Truther.

Again, being on the left, being opposed to the war or having criticisms of it, and supporting the creation of the 9-11 commission (and endorsing its findings) does NOT make it 'plausible' that someone is a truther.

Not unless you think being on the right, disliking Obama, and having some serious issues with his policies makes it plausible for someone to call you a nirther.

See how that works?

1065 MJ  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 8:45:31am

re: #1045 CommonCents

I'm with Mandy on this Rangel thing. The mainstream 'F' media is ignoring it. Your google search reveals bupkiss from ABC, NBC, and the links for MSNBC only provide a quote from a Republican about how they are trying to 'get' Pelosi and Rangel. The guys a crook in the official definition of the term.

The Washington Post called for his resignation of his chairmanship yesterday:

Sorry, Charlie

Rep. Rangel must step aside as chairman of the House Ways and Means Committee.

FOR POLITICIANS with major bad news to release or to make public, there's no time like the dead of August to do it. The thinking goes that the public won't remember a thing come September. We hope Rep. Charles B. Rangel (D-N.Y.) will have no such luck. His belated revelation of previously unreported income, property and bank accounts demands that he step aside as chairman of the House Ways and Means Committee.

Mr. Rangel's amended financial disclosure form, which exposes omissions from his 2002 through 2006 records, is a treasure trove of outrage. He neglected to report a checking account with the Congressional Federal Credit Union and one with Merrill Lynch, each valued between $250,000 and $500,000; the tens of thousands of dollars he's earning from dividends from a number of mutual funds and stocks; and the money made from the sale of a Harlem townhouse. As a result, Mr. Rangel's reported net worth doubled, from between $516,015 and $1,316,000 to between $1,028,024 and $2,495,000.

We called on Mr. Rangel to resign his coveted post last November while the House ethics committee probed his contact with a potential donor to a pet project who also had business before the committee. Mind you, that committee already was looking into his using official stationery to raise funds for that pet project, paying below-market rents on four Harlem apartments, failing to report income from a Florida condominium sale and failing to pay taxes on a home in the Dominican Republic. There's another subcommittee investigation into lobbyist-paid trips by Mr. Rangel and four other members of Congress.

Much is expected of elected officials. Much more is expected and demanded of those entrusted with chairmanships and the power that comes with them, especially when it involves the nation's purse strings. From all that we've seen thus far, Mr. Rangel has violated that trust continually and seemingly without care.

1066 MandyManners  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 8:45:42am

re: #1049 lorien1973

Van Jones didn't read the 911truth petition very carefully before signing, the white house says.

Apparently, it could have been a petition to put pink bunnies in the lawn of the white house. Cuz 911truth does that sort of stuff, too, right?

Seven years ago he signed a petition without reading it? He was about 33 at that time.

1067 lawhawk  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 8:46:15am

re: #1057 iceweasel

I slammed Will on the thread here devoted to it. He's as wrong as he can possibly get. And it's not the first time that Will got wobbly on the WoT either.

But he was among the most ardent supporters of both wars at the outset - which would be the 2002 period.

Jones was opposing the Afghan campaign from the get-go and was again likely opposed to Iraq from the outset.

He's a typical lefty, but that's not reason enough to send him packing. The inattention to detail is.

If you assume that he didn't know what he was signing, then it's a damning argument against his character and judgment. If you assume that he knew what he was signing and that he signed it anyways, that too is a damning indictment of his character and judgment.

1068 Danny  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 8:46:15am

re: #1064 iceweasel

I disagree.

1069 alegrias  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 8:46:27am

re: #1045 CommonCents

I'm with Mandy on this Rangel thing. The mainstream 'F' media is ignoring it. Your google search reveals bupkiss from ABC, NBC, and the links for MSNBC only provide a quote from a Republican about how they are trying to 'get' Pelosi and Rangel. The guys a crook in the official definition of the term.

* * * *
Fred Grandy the former Iowa Congressman who has a radio show (www.wmal630am) this morning says Pelosi doesn't want to offend the Congressional Black Caucus, so isn't moving against corrupto Rangel for his millions.

Whereas, democrat Dan Rostenkowski lost his job over $27,000 in stamps stolen from the government.

1070 Spenser (with an S)  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 8:46:39am

re: #1060 avanti

unless they effect his very limited advisory job, I'll withhold judgment.

Keep saying it, I'm starting to believe...

"It's not the cornerstone of the entire 'New Economy' like Obama has told us, it's an un-important position".

/repeat as needed

1071 Killgore Trout  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 8:46:47am

re: #1066 MandyManners

Seven years ago he signed a petition without reading it?


There's no evidence of that right now. Just an anonymous claim.

1072 garycooper  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 8:46:48am

re: #1043 VioletTiger

So that's what that slogan meant./

In conjunction with the ancillary:

"Because We Won!"

1073 lawhawk  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 8:47:03am

re: #1069 alegrias

Gopher... gets it.

1074 MandyManners  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 8:47:06am

re: #1061 avanti

I don't Mandy, please get me up to speed on his job.

Oh, please, avanti. The information is all over the place here. I don't have time to spoon-feed you.

1075 BARACK THE VOTE  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 8:47:06am

re: #1058 Killgore Trout

At least there a re people out there thinking about this stuff. The climate isn't right for it now but conservative intellectuals are going to be important at some point in the future.

hell yes, and we (i.e., the country) need them!

1076 Kenneth  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 8:47:08am

re: #717 MandyManners

Those assholes have tried to hijack other Lizards' nics over there.

Do you mean like the Troofers who lie and post the names of sane honest political activists to their petitions, like a certain Mr. Jones?

1077 MandyManners  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 8:48:06am

re: #1070 Spenser (with an S)

Keep saying it, I'm starting to believe...

"It's not the cornerstone of the entire 'New Economy' like Obama has told us, it's an un-important position".

/repeat as needed

Yep. It goes beyond finding jobs for unemployed youths in the inner cities.

1078 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 8:48:40am

re: #1060 avanti

That does bother me Walter, it would bother me more so if he held a technical, or policy making position. He clearly holds some odd and even extreme idea's, but unless they effect his very limited advisory job, I'll withhold judgment.
i.e., I have a dear friend that is convinced I'm a "old soul" and have had previous lives. She's otherwise a pretty normal gal, but is fascinated with far eastern reincarnation concepts and some other out of mainstream ideas.
BTW, thanks for that link, I'd be curious to know what ideas he supports from that "new age" science organization.

Well, here is his mission, as defined by "green jobs."

"Green job, also called a green-collar job is, according to the United Nations Environment Program, "work in agricultural, manufacturing, research and development (R&D), administrative, and service activities that contribute(s) substantially to preserving or restoring environmental quality. Specifically, but not exclusively, this includes jobs that help to protect ecosystems and biodiversity; reduce energy, materials, and water consumption through highefficiency strategies; de-carbonize the economy; and minimize or altogether avoid generation of all forms of waste and pollution."

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

Seems that anyone overseeing this sort of job creation would have to have a good grasp of the necessary science behind these jobs, and the ability to entertain critical thinking and logic skills.

Being a Fellow at the Noetic Institute does not speak to this mindset.

Maybe Ludwig could weigh in on Van Jones, Green Jobs and his Fellowship in the Noetic Institute.

1079 unrealizedviewpoint  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 8:48:42am

Let me understand. Is there now agreement that Jones did sign the petition?

1080 garycooper  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 8:49:15am

re: #1058 Killgore Trout

At least there a re people out there thinking about this stuff. The climate isn't right for it now but conservative intellectuals are going to be important at some point in the future.


There's going to be climate-change in the future. Not the near-future, but someday.

1081 CommonCents  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 8:49:16am

re: #1059 SixDegrees

Cynthia Tucker's political blog at the AJC doesn't quite cut it for me. The guy is in charge of writing tax policy for everyone and has been cheating on his taxes for at least 7 years. That's NATIONAL news and should be covered as such in the NATIONAL news section. Fox doesn't count because they are coming from the right, of course they'll cover it, but they also cover the corruption from the right. I again say, there is nothing from ABC, NBC, or anything substantial from the long list of media outlets that already suspect of being political tools of the left.

1082 MandyManners  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 8:49:21am

Ugh. This is like churning butter in February.

1083 Kenneth  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 8:49:26am

re: #654 VioletTiger

Hey there! How was your business trip to Toronto? Did you find a decent restaurant?

1084 Lincolntf  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 8:49:57am

re: #1065 MJ

Personal integrity and basic common decency weren't enough to get Rangel to resign when he was first busted, maybe a tongue-lashing from the WaPo will do the trick.
One thing is certain, the collectrive IQ of the House will see a little uptick when he eventually slouches out the door.

1085 Diego  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 8:50:20am

re: #1072 garycooper

"Because We Won!"


Elections Have Consequences

1086 Pianobuff  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 8:50:24am

Kanye Was Right?

Is anybody familiar with the East Bay Express?

This stuck out from the article...

By the time the final speaker addressed the crowd, people shuffled restlessly in their seats as a lone infant wailed. Van Jones, a tall, dark-skinned man wearing a "Kanye was right" T-shirt under his black blazer, seemed to have little in common with his audience of predominately white hippies. Feeling the energy in the room ebbing straight from the stage, he later said, Jones decided to throw out the talk he had planned to deliver about the work of his human-rights organization, the Ella Baker Center. Instead, he asked the name of the squalling baby. "Tavio," the mother replied.

1087 alegrias  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 8:50:32am

re: #1073 lawhawk

Gopher... gets it.

* * * *
Yes. Try to check out his radio broadcast, from 5am until 10 am Mon-Friday. I only learned about it recently, but Grandy is a HARVARD graduate and knows showbusiness, so he sees through a lot of B.S. thanks to having been inside Congress.

Plus his vocabulary is great, his wittycisms fun, and he's generally such a sunny fellow.

1088 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 8:50:49am

re: #1070 Spenser (with an S)

Keep saying it, I'm starting to believe...

"It's not the cornerstone of the entire 'New Economy' like Obama has told us, it's an un-important position".

/repeat as needed

No kidding, Van Jones is suddenly a minor actuary or something in progressives minds since he has been exposed as a nut case who is a Fellow at a new age think thank, playing around with junk science.

1089 BARACK THE VOTE  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 8:50:49am

re: #1067 lawhawk


If you assume that he didn't know what he was signing, then it's a damning argument against his character and judgment.

It could be, if not for the fact that the truthers, like creationists, have a history of lying, withholding information, and misrepresenting themselves in order to get endorsements or signatures.

Sorry. Burden of proof is still on those who want to call Jones a truther, and we already know that the truthers themselves lie about everything.

Personally I'm more worried about the Noetic Sciences crap. Haven't checked that out yet.

1090 CommonCents  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 8:50:57am

re: #1069 alegrias

* * * *
Fred Grandy the former Iowa Congressman who has a radio show (www.wmal630am) this morning says Pelosi doesn't want to offend the Congressional Black Caucus, so isn't moving against corrupto Rangel for his millions.

Whereas, democrat Dan Rostenkowski lost his job over $27,000 in stamps stolen from the government.

Was he put in jail? Or was this covered under the "official business" exemption that congressmen get?

1091 MJ  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 8:51:51am

re: #1081 CommonCents

Cynthia Tucker's political blog at the AJC doesn't quite cut it for me. The guy is in charge of writing tax policy for everyone and has been cheating on his taxes for at least 7 years. That's NATIONAL news and should be covered as such in the NATIONAL news section. Fox doesn't count because they are coming from the right, of course they'll cover it, but they also cover the corruption from the right. I again say, there is nothing from ABC, NBC, or anything substantial from the long list of media outlets that already suspect of being political tools of the left.

The Washington Post called for his resignation yesterday:

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

1092 SixDegrees  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 8:52:47am

re: #1045 CommonCents

I'm with Mandy on this Rangel thing. The mainstream 'F' media is ignoring it. Your google search reveals bupkiss from ABC, NBC, and the links for MSNBC only provide a quote from a Republican about how they are trying to 'get' Pelosi and Rangel. The guys a crook in the official definition of the term.

Also, there's no shortage of coverage at either ABC or MSNBC (which owns NBC news); little of it is favorable, as a quick visit to their websites will quickly reveal.

MSNBC

ABC News

1093 avanti  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 8:52:51am

re: #1078 Walter L. Newton

Thanks Walter, that's a great definition of a green job, now I'll try and find out exactly what Van Jones power is since Mandy wants me to do my own homework, but your info is a start.

1094 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 8:53:11am

re: #1091 MJ

The Washington Post called for his resignation yesterday:

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

There's no reason for him to resign, he probably didn't know what he was reading or signing when he filed his taxes.

1095 BARACK THE VOTE  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 8:53:11am

re: #1068 Danny

I disagree.

Updinged you. Nothing wrong with disagreement; it'd be a boring world if we all agreed, right?

1096 garycooper  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 8:53:31am

re: #1079 unrealizedviewpoint

Let me understand. Is there now agreement that Jones did sign the petition?

Yes, but he didn't know what he was signing. Until two days ago.

1097 Danny  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 8:53:42am

re: #1095 iceweasel

I agree.

1098 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 8:53:42am

re: #1093 avanti

Thanks Walter, that's a great definition of a green job, now I'll try and find out exactly what Van Jones power is since Mandy wants me to do my own homework, but your info is a start.

I won't forget.

1099 SixDegrees  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 8:55:15am

re: #1062 unrealizedviewpoint

Let em ignore it. The folks know, words spreading. The price paid by Pelosi for failing to do her job as Speaker is widely understood too. Hence her 19% approval. Give the folks long enough they can spot a rat.

Correct. There's no shortage of coverage on this story, and people are well informed as to Rangel's misdeeds.

The media loves scandal, no matter who's involved. It sells papers and draws eyeballs.

1100 Diego  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 8:55:28am

re: #1069 alegrias

Whereas, democrat Dan Rostenkowski lost his job over $27,000 in stamps stolen from the government.

"Charges against Rostenkowski included keeping "ghost" employees on his payroll, using Congressional funds to buy gifts such as chairs and ashtrays for friends, and trading in officially purchased stamps for cash at the House post office. While the stamps-for-cash allegation received the most media coverage, those charges were dismissed on the recommendation of the prosecutor. In 1996, he pleaded guilty to reduced charges of mail fraud. He was fined and was sentenced to 17 months in prison, of which he served 15."

1101 alegrias  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 8:55:40am

re: #1090 CommonCents

Was he put in jail? Or was this covered under the "official business" exemption that congressmen get?

* * * *
I only recall

Rostenkowski lost his job & was disgraced for stealing $27,000 in stamps from the government.

Whereas, Rangel writes tax law for thee and me, & commits tax cheating on millions over the years, and has TEFLON protection.

Fred Grandy the ex-Congressman from IOWA said this morning Rangel's supporters in the Congressional Black Caucus wouldn't let Pelosi fire him.

1102 lawhawk  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 8:55:40am

re: #1097 Danny

I agree.

So, you're a yes man? /

1103 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 8:55:41am

Time for lunch. BBL

1104 MJ  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 8:55:50am

re: #1084 Lincolntf

Personal integrity and basic common decency weren't enough to get Rangel to resign when he was first busted, maybe a tongue-lashing from the WaPo will do the trick.
One thing is certain, the collectrive IQ of the House will see a little uptick when he eventually slouches out the door.

As much as I'd like to think so, I don't think the WaPo will matter one bit. He's being protected by Pelosi and the CBC.
Now, if he gets indicted, then he's history but I don't see that happening anytime soon.

1105 Killian Bundy  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 8:56:20am

What Green Jobs?

Washington is spending $60 billion to create the careers of the future, but not a single green job yet exists. Obama's 'green czar' explains.

President Obama devoted nearly $60 billion of his stimulus package to building a new green-based economy rich in renewable energy and strategies to cut carbon. But despite the price tag, not one green job yet exists. It comes down to a problem of etymology. No one can yet agree on what a green job actually is. The working definition paints a broad stroke: a job that's good for the economy while simultaneously healing the earth. But that leaves lots open to interpretation—natural gas is technically a cleaner fuel than crude oil, but it's still unsustainable—making it difficult, if not impossible, to measure whether eco-based jobs are being created and whether, as the administration has claimed, they're the saviors of a sagging economy

. . .

Why are we still without an objective definition of a green job?

Well, we still don't have a unified definition, and that's not unusual in a democracy. It takes a while for all the states and the federal government to come to some agreement. But the Department of Labor is working on it very diligently. Fundamentally, it's getting there, but we haven't crossed the finish line yet.

/in other words, it's all just so much ObamaWorld bull[expletive deleted]

1106 Danny  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 8:56:26am

re: #1102 lawhawk

So, you're a yes man? /

No.

1107 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 8:56:53am

re: #1093 avanti

Thanks Walter, that's a great definition of a green job, now I'll try and find out exactly what Van Jones power is since Mandy wants me to do my own homework, but your info is a start.

Here is what he does...

"Van Jones has been a strong voice for green jobs and we look forward to having him work with departments and agencies to advance the President’s agenda of creating 21st century jobs that improve energy efficiency and utilize renewable resources. Jones will also help to shape and advance the Administration’s energy and climate initiatives with a specific interest in improvements and opportunities for vulnerable communities"

[Link: www.whitehouse.gov...]

Sounds like science has something to do with it, don't you think? (That was easy to find).

1108 MandyManners  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 8:57:15am

re: #1093 avanti

Thanks Walter, that's a great definition of a green job, now I'll try and find out exactly what Van Jones power is since Mandy wants me to do my own homework, but your info is a start.

The last time I spoon-fed anyone, he still pooped in his nappies and sucked his toes.

1109 VioletTiger  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 8:57:16am

re: #1083 Kenneth

Hey there! How was your business trip to Toronto? Did you find a decent restaurant?

Enjoyed Toronto. Interesting and diverse city. Travel companions were not adventurous on food. Ended up at Milestones.

1110 lawhawk  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 8:57:35am

re: #1099 SixDegrees

Correct. There's no shortage of coverage on this story, and people are well informed as to Rangel's misdeeds.

The media loves scandal, no matter who's involved. It sells papers and draws eyeballs.

But the Congressional Democrats who control the House with an iron grip aren't going to do anything. Rangel can literally throw money around the chamber to buy support (he's a top Democrat fundraiser), give money to campaign contributions of 3 of the 5 Democrats on the ethics panel, and Pelosi wont do anything to send Rangel packing.

His constituents wont do anything either. They love him.

Only way Rangel goes is if a prosecutor fits him with a jumpsuit. And even then, his constituents might still vote for him.

1111 MJ  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 8:57:41am

re: #1094 Walter L. Newton

There's no reason for him to resign, he probably didn't know what he was reading or signing when he filed his taxes.

Rangel reminds of me Adam Clayton Powell, without the charisma.

1112 Spenser (with an S)  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 8:57:59am

re: #1100 Diego

And? We're saying Rosty was a scoundrel and criminal but add a few zeroes to his crimes and you can apparently skate in this administration.

1113 Lincolntf  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 8:58:33am

re: #1111 MJ

He's Don King, without the business sense.

1114 BARACK THE VOTE  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 8:58:44am

re: #1106 Danny

No.

This is all just giving me more chances to upding you, of course. And I'm taking them! ;)

1115 Kosh's Shadow  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 8:58:53am

re: #1049 lorien1973

Van Jones didn't read the 911truth petition very carefully before signing, the white house says.

Apparently, it could have been a petition to put pink bunnies in the lawn of the white house. Cuz 911truth does that sort of stuff, too, right?

He could be in Congress the way he doesn't read stuff he signs.

1116 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 8:59:08am

re: #1107 Walter L. Newton

Here is what he does...

"Van Jones has been a strong voice for green jobs and we look forward to having him work with departments and agencies to advance the President’s agenda of creating 21st century jobs that improve energy efficiency and utilize renewable resources. Jones will also help to shape and advance the Administration’s energy and climate initiatives with a specific interest in improvements and opportunities for vulnerable communities"

[Link: www.whitehouse.gov...]

Sounds like science has something to do with it, don't you think? (That was easy to find).

Well Advanti, maybe I spoke too soon, since Killian's link above indicates that Van Jones hasn't done anything yet, so, it's hard to tell if his lack of a hard scientific background will matter.

What Green Jobs?

My bad.

1117 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 8:59:29am

re: #1108 MandyManners

The last time I spoon-fed anyone, he still pooped in his nappies and sucked his toes.

Are farts lumpy?

1118 garycooper  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 8:59:55am

re: #1085 Diego

Elections Have Consequences

God, don't we know it...and I say that as someone who had more than his share of problems with the previous administration.

1119 Diego  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 8:59:59am

re: #1112 Spenser (with an S)

And? We're saying Rosty was a scoundrel and criminal but add a few zeroes to his crimes and you can apparently skate in this administration.

I was only correcting the record. He didn't get bounced for just "27,000 in stamps".

1120 MJ  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 9:00:16am

re: #1113 Lincolntf

He's Don King, without the business sense.

King has better hair.

1121 aboo-Hoo-Hoo  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 9:00:43am

re: #1013 avanti

Giving the POTUS advice on creating "green jobs" is not exactly a major position. i.e. suggesting a program to retrain unemployed workers to install storm windows or solar panels is not like setting troop levels.

When your President states he's going to create a 'green economy' one might conceivably conclude that the Green Czar could have significant influence in its development.

1122 unrealizedviewpoint  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 9:01:13am

re: #1088 Walter L. Newton

No kidding, Van Jones is suddenly a minor actuary or something in progressives minds since he has been exposed as a nut case...

Happens every time, minor non-issue this Van Jones... Just request his resignation, right? Well... except that 'Nutty Beck' claims credit. Boy this Admin in some quandary.

1123 Spare O'Lake  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 9:01:16am

re: #1102 lawhawk

So, you're a yes man? /

Si?
Si.
S'okay?
S'okay.
S'allright?
S'allright.
- channeling Senor Wences' Pedro

1124 CommonCents  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 9:01:32am

re: #1101 alegrias

* * * *
I only recall

Rostenkowski lost his job & was disgraced for stealing $27,000 in stamps from the government.

Whereas, Rangel writes tax law for thee and me, & commits tax cheating on millions over the years, and has TEFLON protection.

Fred Grandy the ex-Congressman from IOWA said this morning Rangel's supporters in the Congressional Black Caucus wouldn't let Pelosi fire him.


I don't want him fired, I want him in prison. He is 100x more guilty than Martha Stewart. Rangel most likely has more tax evasion issues than Al Capone. On top of his tax fraud, he's commited mortgage fraud between his Brownstone townhouse and 4 rent controlled apartments that he owns. He needs to be tried in a court of law for his failure to delcare $780,000 in assets on his taxes. If I recall correctly, the lowly Williams Jefferson got busted for a measly $80,000.

1125 garycooper  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 9:01:50am

re: #1094 Walter L. Newton

There's no reason for him to resign, he probably didn't know what he was reading or signing when he filed his taxes.


What, no sarc-tag?

1126 lawhawk  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 9:02:05am

re: #1111 MJ

Rangel reminds of me Adam Clayton Powell, without the charisma.

Funny, because Rangel replaced Powell in Congress after Democrats bounced him because of corruption charges (an incident that went all the way to the S.Ct.).

1127 BlueCanuck  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 9:02:09am

Kenneth: e-mail sent.

1128 Kenneth  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 9:02:13am

re: #1109 VioletTiger

That's too bad about the restaurant, but I'm glad you had a good time here anyway. Come again!

1129 capitalist piglet  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 9:02:19am

re: #1105 Killian Bundy

I'm reluctant to even say anything, but I saw this link (it's a .pdf) the other day. It's the San Quentin newsletter, with an article on Van Jones and so-called green jobs. He "seeks the help of S.Q. inmates".

[Link: www.yantis.us...]

1130 BARACK THE VOTE  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 9:03:27am

BTW, great article from Dave Weigel at the Washington Independent:

My story about WorldNetDaily today makes the case that a “fringe” website can actually have an impact on the mainstream political debate if, as WND does, it gives readers want they want while reporting every nugget of scandalous information that comes its way. That’s definitely what’s happening with Van Jones, the White House adviser on green jobs. If Jones resigns, it will be because of the spadework of Gateway Pundit, a very right-wing blogger who found two pieces of evidence that Jones had signed onto to the politically toxic “9/11 Truth” movement.

Yesterday, he found Jones’s signature on the 2004 911Truth.org petition, alongside the signatures of Ed Asner, Howard Zinn and Ralph Nader. It was damaging enough for Jones to release this walkback.

Today, Gateway Pundit has a January 2002 article from the conspiracy site rense.com listing Jones as an organizer of an event outside Sen. Dianne Feinstein’s (D-Calif.) office demanding an investigation of 9/11. On the surface, that’s not so out there. At the time, the Bush administration was stonewalling on an investigation. But the article (and keep in mind, rense is a wild conspiracy Website) reports that “the delegation will demand that these questions (and others) be raised and answered publicly,” and the questions include “What is the relationship between Bin Laden, his family and the Bush family and the Carlyle Group?” and “Did the CIA have foreknowledge of the attack, who tried to profit with put options on American, United, Merrill Lynch stock just before the attack?”

Gateway Pundit is pretty far out there: he refers to the president as “Dear Leader” (as North Koreans refer to Kim Jong-Il) and he has a botched post about an old interview of Rep. Pete Stark (D-Calif.), which was uploaded to YouTube a year ago. GP calls it a new video in which Stark “explains Obanomics.” But you don’t need to be a reporter for The Washington Times to reveal something damaging about an Obama administration official.

[Link: washingtonindependent.com...]

Links and more at the article.

1131 Ojoe  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 9:03:35am

Piss on the overuse of the word green.

1132 MJ  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 9:03:37am

re: #1126 lawhawk

Funny, because Rangel replaced Powell in Congress after Democrats bounced him because of corruption charges (an incident that went all the way to the S.Ct.).

Man, it's been so long that I forgot Rangel replaced Powell.

1133 SixDegrees  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 9:03:43am

re: #1069 alegrias

* * * *
Fred Grandy the former Iowa Congressman who has a radio show (www.wmal630am) this morning says Pelosi doesn't want to offend the Congressional Black Caucus, so isn't moving against corrupto Rangel for his millions.

Whereas, democrat Dan Rostenkowski lost his job over $27,000 in stamps stolen from the government.

So it seems the media is doing a good enough job of reporting what's taking place in this matter. Even though it is seriously damaging to Pelosi, along with Rangel.

There are also allegations that Rangel made "campaign contributions" to some of the members who sit on the committee investigating him for other wrongdoings. The shit just keeps getting deeper and spreading wider.

Frankly, if Pelosi is worried about the CBC she ought to do something like the following: issue a very public statement that Rangel's leadership position has been questioned over allegations of corruption, but she has been informed that the CBC is opposed to having her remove him from his chairmanship; therefore, she is calling on the CBC itself to decide whether Rangel should keep his position. And let them publicly take responsibility for their decision. Let the CBC make a public declaration that they think an accused corruptocrat deserves to remain in a position of power while allegations pile up, and make them own their decision.

1134 avanti  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 9:03:51am

re: #1116 Walter L. Newton

Well Advanti, maybe I spoke too soon, since Killian's link above indicates that Van Jones hasn't done anything yet, so, it's hard to tell if his lack of a hard scientific background will matter.

What Green Jobs?

My bad.

I spent 20 minutes trying to find out what his job is, and found very little, just this:

"Van Jones has been a strong voice for green jobs and we look forward to having him work with departments and agencies to advance the President's agenda of creating 21st century jobs that improve energy efficiency and utilize renewable resources," said CEQ Chair Nancy Sutley. "Jones will also help to shape and advance the Administration's energy and climate initiatives with a specific interest in improvements and opportunities for vulnerable communities."

Van Jones.

1135 Spare O'Lake  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 9:04:23am

re: #1123 Spare O'Lake

Si?
Si.
S'okay?
S'okay.
S'allright?
S'allright.
- channeling Senor Wences' Pedro

1136 lorien1973  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 9:04:51am

ABC News

But in March 2002, a march in San Francisco was called to demand a congressional inquiry into 9/11. Jones was on the "organizing committee."

...

"What is the relationship between Bin Laden, his family and the Bush family and the Carlyle Group?

"Why were no fighter planes dispatched to intercept the four hijacked planes on September 11th, in violation of standard procedures?

"Who actually was in control of the 'hijacked planes'? …

"Did the CIA have foreknowledge of the attack, who tried to profit with put options on American, United, Merrill Lynch stock just before the attack?...

"What are Bush's and Cheney's connections to the drug industry?

"Why is the evidence being destroyed when an investigation of the World Trade Center collapse is needed?"


But don't worry. He's definitely not a truther communist!

1137 Killgore Trout  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 9:05:18am

Fox news contributor Judge Napolitano (via stormfront): Revolution is Duty of the People

1138 alegrias  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 9:05:41am

re: #1100 Diego

"Charges against Rostenkowski included keeping "ghost" employees on his payroll, using Congressional funds to buy gifts such as chairs and ashtrays for friends, and trading in officially purchased stamps for cash at the House post office. While the stamps-for-cash allegation received the most media coverage, those charges were dismissed on the recommendation of the prosecutor. In 1996, he pleaded guilty to reduced charges of mail fraud. He was fined and was sentenced to 17 months in prison, of which he served 15."

* * *
Thank you for fact checking!

Wow, Rangel could do prison time.

1139 scottishbuzzsaw  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 9:06:37am

re: #662 BlueCanuck

Her nic was never used over there at all. I donned my hazmat suit and went looking. Believe it or not when they found out they were pretty shocked as well.

/much showering was required later on...

As soon as I read that accusation, I headed for the swamp as well. No sign of her there at all. She deserved better.

1140 Kenneth  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 9:06:40am

re: #972 iceweasel

No, it is not. There is no evidence to support that.

Jan Jones was once a member of a group called STORM:

When he graduated law school, Jones gave up plans to take a job in Washington, D.C., and moved to San Francisco instead.[11] He got involved with Standing Together to Organize a Revolutionary Movement (STORM), a group explicitly committed to revolutionary Marxist politics[12] whose points of unity were revolutionary democracy, revolutionary feminism, revolutionary internationalism, the central role of the working class, urban Marxism, and Third World Communism.[13] While with STORM, Jones actively began protesting "alleged police brutality".[11]

Ella Baker Center for Human Rights

In 1995, Jones started Bay Area PoliceWatch, the region's only bar-certified hotline and lawyer-referral service for alleged victims claiming police abuse. The hotline started receiving fifteen calls a day.[9] PoliceWatch began as a project of the Lawyers' Committee for Civil Rights. "We designed a computer database, the first of its kind in the country, that allows us to track problem officers, problem precincts, problem practices, so at the click of a mouse we can now identify trouble spots and troublemakers," says Jones "This has given us a tremendous advantage in trying to understand the scope and scale of the problem. Now, obviously, just because somebody calls and says, "Officer so-and-so did something to me," doesn't mean it actually happened, but if you get two, four, six phone calls about the same officer, then you begin to see a pattern. It gives you a chance to try and take affirmative steps.".[14] By 1996, Jones founded a new umbrella NGO, the Ella Baker Center for Human Rights, which "consisted of a closet-like office and a computer that Jones had brought from his apartment."[11]

His later associations shifted away from such hard left groups.

1141 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 9:06:52am

re: #1125 garycooper

What, no sarc-tag?

No, it's the same "rational" argument the progressives are using to explain away Van Jones, a minor-not-really-important-junk-science-reading-comprehension-challenged-minor actuary. Other than those things, Van Jones is perfect for the job.

Now for us, if we had any of this shit hit the fan in our place of employment, we would be out the door (or in prison) in no time.

1142 Killgore Trout  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 9:07:04am

Also via stormfront...
The Second American Revolution Has Begun

White people find common ground.

1143 Desert Dog  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 9:07:27am

re: #1046 lawhawk

They were opposing the good war - the war in Afghanistan, which was only underway all of 3 months. The call to go to war in Iraq was only in a discussion phase.

Funny, I don't hear a peep from them now...and we are still there.

1144 avanti  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 9:07:43am

re: #1121 aboo-Hoo-Hoo

When your President states he's going to create a 'green economy' one might conceivably conclude that the Green Czar could have significant influence in its development.

First, he's not a Green Czar, he is a minor adviser with no real power as far as I can find. Mandy has a better idea of hs power, but she won't help.

1145 Desert Dog  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 9:07:59am

re: #1142 Killgore Trout

Also via stormfront...
The Second American Revolution Has Begun

White people find common ground.


[Video]

That stuff is like porn to you, isn't it?

1146 SixDegrees  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 9:08:12am

re: #1110 lawhawk

But the Congressional Democrats who control the House with an iron grip aren't going to do anything. Rangel can literally throw money around the chamber to buy support (he's a top Democrat fundraiser), give money to campaign contributions of 3 of the 5 Democrats on the ethics panel, and Pelosi wont do anything to send Rangel packing.

His constituents wont do anything either. They love him.

Only way Rangel goes is if a prosecutor fits him with a jumpsuit. And even then, his constituents might still vote for him.

That's a completely different issue from the topic of this strand, which was that the media simply don't report on Democratic malfeasance. They do, and the details provided here prove that.

The matters of Rangel being a dirtbag; of him benefitting by buying support from his fellow Congressmen; of corruption within Congress in taking such bribes; and of Pelosi's gutless capitulation to the CBC (she ought to demand that they make a public declaration of their support for Rangel; see above) are all absolutely true and disgusting. But they are different issues from where this discussion began, just to be clear.

1147 CommonCents  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 9:08:48am

re: #1133 SixDegrees

Sounds good. The downside is that Pelosi would releive herself of some immediate criticism specific to Rangel, but the upside is that would expose her as "Speaker of the House" being subserviant to the CBC. Making both look bad.

1148 BARACK THE VOTE  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 9:09:44am

re: #1139 scottishbuzzsaw

As soon as I read that accusation, I headed for the swamp as well. No sign of her there at all. She deserved better.

She's there under another nic. Anyone who posts there has earned a banning.

1149 Lincolntf  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 9:09:45am

re: #1134 avanti

You don't speak Liberalese?
That paragraph is perfectly clear:
"VJ will be authorized to do whatever he can get away with, regardless of expense, in order to advance the hyper-Leftist agenda that he's been developing during his decades on the radical fringe."

Just get a translator program.

1150 Desert Dog  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 9:09:45am

re: #1146 SixDegrees

That's a completely different issue from the topic of this strand, which was that the media simply don't report on Democratic malfeasance. They do, and the details provided here prove that.

The matters of Rangel being a dirtbag; of him benefitting by buying support from his fellow Congressmen; of corruption within Congress in taking such bribes; and of Pelosi's gutless capitulation to the CBC (she ought to demand that they make a public declaration of their support for Rangel; see above) are all absolutely true and disgusting. But they are different issues from where this discussion began, just to be clear.

To be fair, I would cynically guess the entire lot of them, Democrat and Republican, are tainted and/or corrupt on one level or another. Some are just way better at it, that's all.

1151 Killgore Trout  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 9:09:50am

re: #1145 Desert Dog

Just trying to demonstrate what kind of extremism is being validated by fox news and the Tea Parties for those who are still in denial about it.

1152 unrealizedviewpoint  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 9:10:06am

re: #1144 avanti

First, he's not a Green Czar, he is a minor adviser with no real power as far as I can find.

Hint to Avanti et al:
It might be time to stop digging.

1153 avanti  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 9:10:36am

re: #1137 Killgore Trout

Fox news contributor Judge Napolitano (via stormfront): Revolution is Duty of the People

Keep the link, in case a conservative POTUS wants him in as a adviser.

1154 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 9:10:42am

re: #1130 iceweasel

BTW, great article from Dave Weigel at the Washington Independent:

[Link: washingtonindependent.com...]

Links and more at the article.

If anyone one has been listening to me over the last few months, I have been saying something similar. Even with all the nuts, the bad nuts drop from the tree and the good nuts get shaken out and a gem or two comes to light.

We've seen it with the Enquirer and other questionable news sources, and that is the whole basis of freedom of speech.

We do it every day here on LGF, and we make mistakes, sometimes we have people here actually lie, we dig up this and dig up that.

Really, LGF is a microcosm of Fox and MSNBC combined, with the oversight of a Buckley or two.

It works.

1155 Killian Bundy  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 9:10:43am
an objective definition of a green job?

/harvesting unicorn farts by hand

1156 CommonCents  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 9:11:24am

re: #1146 SixDegrees

On the topic of coverage I'm not convinced that they are covering it with adequate resources, or perhaps not balanced resources as opposed to corruption on the right.

1157 Desert Dog  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 9:11:25am

re: #1151 Killgore Trout

Just trying to demonstrate what kind of extremism is being validated by fox news and the Tea Parties for those who are still in denial about it.

Fair enough, Killgore. It just seems to me you spend your entire day searching for that kinda stuff.

1158 Kenneth  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 9:11:53am

re: #1148 iceweasel

How do you know it was her under another nic? It seems to me there is less evidence it was littleoldlady than there is evidence Van Jones signed the Troofer petition.

1159 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 9:11:57am

re: #1151 Killgore Trout

Just trying to demonstrate what kind of extremism is being validated by fox news and the Tea Parties for those who are still in denial about it.

Thank you.

1160 SasquatchOnSteroids  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 9:12:06am

re: #1108 MandyManners

The last time I spoon-fed anyone, he still pooped in his nappies and sucked his toes.

YOU PROMISED NOT TO TELL !!

/

1161 BARACK THE VOTE  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 9:12:31am

re: #1154 Walter L. Newton


Really, LGF is a microcosm of Fox and MSNBC combined, with the oversight of a Buckley or two.

It works.

Agree with you Walter, except that I think LGF is a lot better than both Fox and MSNBC, either separate or combined. ;)

1162 [deleted]  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 9:13:29am
1163 Killgore Trout  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 9:13:38am

re: #1157 Desert Dog

Don't worry your little brain imagining how I spend my time.

1164 VioletTiger  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 9:13:47am

re: #1148 iceweasel

She's there under another nic. Anyone who posts there has earned a banning.

What nic?

1165 right_wing2  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 9:13:48am

re: #612 rain of lead

What's the 'stalker blog'?

1166 BlueCanuck  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 9:14:17am

re: #1148 iceweasel

I have conversed with her for quite awhile. It's purely out of character, and not her style. I KNOW that she hasn't done that.

1167 BARACK THE VOTE  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 9:14:30am

re: #1158 Kenneth

How do you know it was her under another nic? It seems to me there is less evidence it was littleoldlady than there is evidence Van Jones signed the Troofer petition.

Just trusting our host.

1168 capitalist piglet  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 9:14:49am

re: #1148 iceweasel

She's there under another nic. Anyone who posts there has earned a banning.

What's the nic, and how do you know it's littleoldlady?

1169 avanti  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 9:15:20am

re: #1152 unrealizedviewpoint

Hint to Avanti et al:
It might be time to stop digging.

I have to dig, no one will explain how powerful his job is, hell, I can't even find out exactly what his job is.

1170 aboo-Hoo-Hoo  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 9:15:31am

re: #1144 avanti

First, he's not a Green Czar, he is a minor adviser with no real power as far as I can find. Mandy has a better idea of hs power, but she won't help.

My mistake:

19. Van Jones Green-Jobs Czar
1171 Diego  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 9:15:46am

re: #1162 taxfreekiller

so many fingers,
so many holes
so much water leaking in

lol..reminds me of a shirt a lesbian girl I used to know had. It said: No little Dutch boy is going to plug this dike!

1172 Spare O'Lake  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 9:15:46am

re: #1151 Killgore Trout

Just trying to demonstrate what kind of extremism is being validated by fox news and the Tea Parties for those who are still in denial about it.

I would call that video an example of milque-toast extremism.
Where were the guns and swastikas?
///

1173 Honorary Yooper  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 9:16:12am

re: #598 Misfit138

Dude, why be the martyr now, after so long? Is it so that you can have the "I was banned by Charles Johnson of LGF" badge of dishonor on your wall? Does that make you feel like a bigger person for doing so? Dude, you are really pathetic.

1174 SixDegrees  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 9:16:16am

re: #1147 CommonCents

Sounds good. The downside is that Pelosi would releive herself of some immediate criticism specific to Rangel, but the upside is that would expose her as "Speaker of the House" being subserviant to the CBC. Making both look bad.

I'm just saying that's how I'd handle it if I were in Pelosi's shoes. Her fate, however, is hers to decide; not my place to interfere.

I agree that either way, it's gold for the GOP; she's either weak and powerless and unable to control her own party in the House; or she's aiding and abetting a corrupt dirtbag, while proclaiming the Administration's line about being The Most Ethical Government Ever.

1175 Desert Dog  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 9:16:16am

re: #1163 Killgore Trout

Don't worry your little brain imagining how I spend my time.

Ouch!

My little brain is just find, don't worry. I spend just enough time thinking about you everyday, Killgore - about 1 second.

Please go back to harvesting stories about how evil the is right now, sorry to have interrupted you...

1176 BARACK THE VOTE  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 9:16:32am

re: #1166 BlueCanuck

I have conversed with her for quite awhile. It's purely out of character, and not her style. I KNOW that she hasn't done that.

I thought it was out of character too.

I don't have any more to say on the matter except that it upsets me too.

1177 scottishbuzzsaw  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 9:16:45am

re: #1166 BlueCanuck

I have conversed with her for quite awhile. It's purely out of character, and not her style. I KNOW that she hasn't done that.

I believe her, too...

1178 SasquatchOnSteroids  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 9:17:07am

re: #1172 Spare O'Lake

I would call that video an example of milque-toast extremism.
Where were the guns and swastikas?
///

That was last week. We're past that now.

//

1179 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 9:17:19am

re: #1167 iceweasel

I noticed your avatar (the arches)... A little ditty for you from a long ago musical artist of the 60-70's.

"I'm going downtown to McDonalds to stand in line, gonna order one million burgers and watch them change the sign."

1180 BARACK THE VOTE  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 9:18:04am

re: #1168 capitalist piglet

What's the nic, and how do you know it's littleoldlady?

People talked about it upthread.

1181 Kenneth  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 9:18:21am

re: #1167 iceweasel

Until I see real evidence, more than an unsubstantiated accusation, I don't believe it. Funny you give Van Jones the benefit of the doubt, even though he did not deny signing the Troofer petition, but you fail to extend that same courtesy to a fellow LGFer, one well known for her graciousness and integrity.

1182 [deleted]  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 9:18:44am
1183 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 9:19:13am

re: #1169 avanti

I have to dig, no one will explain how powerful his job is, hell, I can't even find out exactly what his job is.

I already gave you the Press Release job description from the White House web page, what do you want, a phone call from Obama?

"Van Jones has been a strong voice for green jobs and we look forward to having him work with departments and agencies to advance the President’s agenda of creating 21st century jobs that improve energy efficiency and utilize renewable resources. Jones will also help to shape and advance the Administration’s energy and climate initiatives with a specific interest in improvements and opportunities for vulnerable communities"

[Link: www.whitehouse.gov...]

Isn't that enough for you to start with? Or are you just being vague on purpose?

1184 Desert Dog  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 9:19:27am

re: #1169 avanti

I have to dig, no one will explain how powerful his job is, hell, I can't even find out exactly what his job is.

Good luck with that, Avanti.

1185 Sharmuta  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 9:19:29am

Grownups? At Ace of Spades? LMAO!

1186 midwestgak  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 9:19:47am

Morning Lizards - Happy Friday. Any melt downs of interest?

1187 itellu3times  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 9:19:53am

"We are Siamese if you please,
We are Siamese if you don't please.
In the whole country of Siam,
There is no finer cats than I am, meow!"

/lady and the tramp

1188 Lincolntf  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 9:20:14am

re: #1186 midwestgak

Van Jones, but it's still developing.

1189 Mad Al-Jaffee  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 9:20:16am

re: #1187 itellu3times

"We are Siamese if you please,
We are Siamese if you don't please.
In the whole country of Siam,
There is no finer cats than I am, meow!"

/lady and the tramp

RACIST!!

//

1190 BARACK THE VOTE  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 9:20:23am

re: #1181 Kenneth

Until I see real evidence, more than an unsubstantiated accusation, I don't believe it. Funny you give Van Jones the benefit of the doubt, even though he did not deny signing the Troofer petition, but you fail to extend that same courtesy to a fellow LGFer, one well known for her graciousness and integrity.

I believe that if there is some mistake, she and our host will be able to straighten that out. I extend both of them that trust and faith.

1191 unrealizedviewpoint  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 9:20:24am

re: #1169 avanti

I have to dig, no one will explain how powerful his job is, hell, I can't even find out exactly what his job is.

He's an adviser to the President exercising what powers the President bestows upon him.

BTW - I was being sarcastic. It is now probably time to stop defending and begin distancing...

1192 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 9:21:09am

re: #1184 Desert Dog

Good luck with that, Avanti.

I already posted the job description in re: #1183 Walter L. Newton

I don't know what Avanti wants, Van Jones' day timer?

1193 Gretchen G.Tiger  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 9:21:41am

Good Morning Lizards!

1194 Spare O'Lake  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 9:23:54am

re: #1182 buzzsawmonkey

What's really nauseating is to see the glee of the self-styled enforcers who apparently love to go over to a site that should concern absolutely nobody here, and who then come back here just bursting with eagerness to whip people into a tizzy with their breathless tales of what "they" are doing.

How small.

How petty.

How short.

How shrivelled.

1195 Sharmuta  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 9:24:13am

re: #1182 buzzsawmonkey

What's really nauseating is to see the glee of the self-styled enforcers who apparently love to go over to a site that should concern absolutely nobody here, and who then come back here just bursting with eagerness to whip people into a tizzy with their breathless tales of what "they" are doing.

How small.

How petty.

Everyone but Charles, right? He reports on them here too, you know.

1196 SasquatchOnSteroids  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 9:24:33am

re: #1193 ggt

Good Morning Lizards!

Can ya feel the 'Lectricity?
We plugged in the Jones' boy.
I can get a full load of clothes dry in @ 10 minutes.
Awesome.

1197 Desert Dog  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 9:24:56am

re: #1192 Walter L. Newton

I already posted the job description in re: #1183 Walter L. Newton

I don't know what Avanti wants, Van Jones' day timer?

We don't really know what is capacity is over there. These czars are starting to bug me. I know all Presidents have advisers and a core group of people around them that offer advise and assist with policy decisions. Obama is under no law or statue to reveal anything about what these guys actually do though, is he? I would like to know exactly what Mr. Jones is doing over there, but I doubt we will really know anytime soon.

1198 gregb  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 9:25:10am

re: #1053 Joshua Cohen

Hanging out with the Taliban does not pay...
The use human shields...someone called the bluff.

If the politicians do it right - they will not try this stunt again in the near future. If they do it wrong...this is the common thing to scare the military to act at all.

One of the favorite scenarios in real-time military planning was: You have a concentration of enemies and a bus-full of nuns is driving over the hill...

You couldn't swing a dead cat around your head without hearing "Steel on target" and "bus-full of nuns" four or five times a day.

There was a point in Bosnia where lawyers were approving every strike. I think they now have a master list of ethnic, cultural, and collateral legal guidelines that tells them not to bomb religious sites, processions, and a list of hundreds of other exact and conceptual places and events around the world.

1199 Honorary Yooper  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 9:26:12am

re: #1148 iceweasel

She's there under another nic. Anyone who posts there has earned a banning.

What's the nic? I have my suspicions.

1200 aboo-Hoo-Hoo  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 9:26:20am

Cool: Iran recalls envoys who backed 'rioters'

Iran is to recall a number of its ambassadors overseas who chose the wrong horse and gave their backing to "rioters" during the popular unrest which erupted after June's disputed election, it emerged today.

The semi-official Fars News Agency said that Tehran would be replacing 40 of its ambassadors, a clearout similar in scale to the one which followed Mahmoud Ahmadinejad's first election victory in 2005.

1201 KingKenrod  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 9:27:06am

re: #1169 avanti

I have to dig, no one will explain how powerful his job is, hell, I can't even find out exactly what his job is.

He has whatever power Obama chooses to delegate to him. Specifically, he is the lead executive on deciding how the $30 billion for green jobs (passed in the stimulus) gets spent.

1202 Desert Dog  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 9:27:35am

re: #1200 aboo-Hoo-Hoo

Cool: Iran recalls envoys who backed 'rioters'

Bye "former" diplomats. Nice knowing you guys, have fun in prison (if you are lucky)

1203 Kosh's Shadow  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 9:27:44am

re: #1198 gregb

One of the favorite scenarios in real-time military planning was: You have a concentration of enemies and a bus-full of nuns is driving over the hill...

You couldn't swing a dead cat around your head without hearing "Steel on target" and "bus-full of nuns" four or five times a day.

There was a point in Bosnia where lawyers were approving every strike. I think they now have a master list of ethnic, cultural, and collateral legal guidelines that tells them not to bomb religious sites, processions, and a list of hundreds of other exact and conceptual places and events around the world.

Meanwhile, the terrorists will start hijacking bus loads full of nuns, loading the buses with bombs, and driving them into their targets, knowing we aren't allowed to stop them.

1204 itellu3times  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 9:27:59am

re: #1198 gregb

I think they now have a master list of ethnic, cultural, and collateral legal guidelines that tells them not to bomb religious sites, processions, and a list of hundreds of other exact and conceptual places and events around the world.

Huh. The Saudis tear down even their own historical sites except one, so it sounds like this list is exactly what they would attack first.

1205 unrealizedviewpoint  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 9:28:16am

re: #1195 Sharmuta

Everyone but Charles, right? He reports on them here too, you know.

Yes. But certainly not to the point of 'obsession with' as we've seen in the case Buzz points to.

1206 cronus  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 9:28:19am

More from Tapper on Gibbs being asked about Jones this morning. The way Tapper wrote part of this reads like he believes the WH has all but admitted that Van Jones at the least signed the petition.

White House Declines to Say Van Jones Enjoys "the Confidence of the President"

Asked if controversial White House official Van Jones continues to enjoy the confidence of President Obama given recent revelations about his involvement with those who suggest the Bush administration knew about the 9/11 attacks and allowed them to happen in order to justify a war for oil, White House press secretary Robert Gibbs Friday morning would only say "he continues to work in this administration."

Jones, the Special Advisor for Green Jobs at the White House Council on Environmental Quality, last night issued a statement apologizing for past controversial remarks and said a petition which he signed suggesting that President Bush "may indeed have deliberately allowed 9/11 to happen" perhaps to justify war in Afghanistan or Iraq, "does not reflect my views now or ever."

An administration source said Jones says he did not carefully review the language in the petition before agreeing to add his name. But this morning it became known that Jones was on the organizing committee of a 2002 march making similar insinuations and allegations.

Asked how the Obama administration could rail against fringe conspiracy theorists who falsely allege, despite evidence to the contrary, that President Obama was not born in the U.S., Gibbs said that that the "9/11 Truther" sentiments are "not something that the president agrees with."

1207 saberry0530  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 9:28:32am

re: #1202 Desert Dog

Bye "former" diplomats. Nice knowing you guys, have fun in prison (if you are lucky)

The "lucky" ones get executed immediately.

1208 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 9:28:33am

BB in a bit, got to get ready for work.

1209 kansas  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 9:28:38am

re: #1169 avanti

I have to dig, no one will explain how powerful his job is, hell, I can't even find out exactly what his job is.

It's a green job. He gets the green from the public.

1210 Kosh's Shadow  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 9:28:38am

re: #1200 aboo-Hoo-Hoo

Cool: Iran recalls envoys who backed 'rioters'

If I were one of those diplomats, I'd defect rather than go back.

1211 Desert Dog  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 9:28:47am

re: #1201 KingKenrod

He has whatever power Obama chooses to delegate to him. Specifically, he is the lead executive on deciding how the $30 billion for green jobs (passed in the stimulus) gets spent.

Well, only $30 billion, at least it's not any real amount of money, whew! I was worried there for a while. Oh well, I am sure Mr. Jones will spend it wisely. He appears to have a very tight grip on economic matters.

/

1212 BARACK THE VOTE  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 9:29:14am

re: #1182 buzzsawmonkey

What's really nauseating is to see the glee of the self-styled enforcers who apparently love to go over to a site that should concern absolutely nobody here, and who then come back here just bursting with eagerness to whip people into a tizzy with their breathless tales of what "they" are doing.

How small.

How petty.

IIRC, Charles is the source of that info, and further confirmation was discussed far upthread.

My comment to kenneth stands. I have full faith and trust that our host and that person can work out whatever the issues are between them, and that any mistakes made will be rectified that way.

To this end, it's probably better if we all shutup about it here and let that happen. IMO.

I also personally think it's better if we don't discuss that site, or its posters, or people having a timeout, or the banned just in general.

This is only my opinion. I have no special knowledge or insight apart from what i've gleaned reading here.

1213 [deleted]  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 9:29:15am
1214 jcm  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 9:29:32am

re: #1200 aboo-Hoo-Hoo

Cool: Iran recalls envoys who backed 'rioters'

A wall or rope in those guys immediate future.

1215 avanti  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 9:30:41am

re: #1183 Walter L. Newton

I already gave you the Press Release job description from the White House web page, what do you want, a phone call from Obama?

"Van Jones has been a strong voice for green jobs and we look forward to having him work with departments and agencies to advance the President’s agenda of creating 21st century jobs that improve energy efficiency and utilize renewable resources. Jones will also help to shape and advance the Administration’s energy and climate initiatives with a specific interest in improvements and opportunities for vulnerable communities"

[Link: www.whitehouse.gov...]

Isn't that enough for you to start with? Or are you just being vague on purpose?

Walter, I've seen that description, but Mandy says it's much more than that, and I can't find a link.

1216 Desert Dog  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 9:30:50am

re: #1210 Kosh's Shadow

If I were one of those diplomats, I'd defect rather than go back.

Then they will round up their families...I bet most will return. The Soviets did that with diplomats. They told Boris that if you decide to get funny over there, we will come and visit your wife and kids and grandma and uncles and second cousins twice removed, etc, etc...

1217 Creeping Eruption  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 9:31:10am

re: #1206 cronus

More from Tapper on Gibbs being asked about Jones this morning. The way Tapper wrote part of this reads like he believes the WH has all but admitted that Van Jones at the least signed the petition.

White House Declines to Say Van Jones Enjoys "the Confidence of the President"

Obama: "Rahm, pull the bus around please"

1218 SFGoth  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 9:31:26am

Fed the beast (Toonses, my 15#, but mostly sleek*, tabby) some grilled lamb and French vanilla ice cream last night. He loves French vanilla -- don't worry, it's the 2nd time in 6 years I've fed him sugar. That's one happy kitty. Then he wandered back to his napping spot in the brush (aka, the backyard) to curl up for a good night's sleep.
*He's getting a bit of that saggy belly fat, but he's a senior kitizen.

1219 Sharmuta  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 9:31:32am

re: #1205 unrealizedviewpoint

Yes. But certainly not to the point of 'obsession with' as we've seen in the case Buzz points to.

You mean people like Irish Rose? Or Gus802? Or Yooper?

1220 Desert Dog  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 9:32:02am

re: #1217 Creeping Eruption

Obama: "Rahm, pull the bus around please"

At least he'll have lots of company

1221 J.D.  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 9:32:33am

re: #636 BlueCanuck

littleoldlady is banned?

Wow.

1222 Sharmuta  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 9:32:44am

re: #1213 buzzsawmonkey

Charles does what he will; he owns this blog, his name is connected with it, and it is perfectly understandable that he would, therefore, be concerned with goings-on that affect his name.

Everyone understands and recognizes that.

The talebearers, however, do not hold that position, though it seems some of them might almost have convinced themselves that they do. And their actions do nothing but reduce this blog to the level of a stalker blog.

You mean people like Irish Rose? Or Gus802? Or Yooper?

1223 Desert Dog  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 9:33:43am

re: #1218 SFGoth

Fed the beast (Toonses, my 15#, but mostly sleek*, tabby) some grilled lamb and French vanilla ice cream last night. He loves French vanilla -- don't worry, it's the 2nd time in 6 years I've fed him sugar. That's one happy kitty. Then he wandered back to his napping spot in the brush (aka, the backyard) to curl up for a good night's sleep.
*He's getting a bit of that saggy belly fat, but he's a senior kitizen.

I had a cat that loved ice cream too...I gave it to him quite often too. He lived 21 years. If you just opened the freezer, he would come running like a cheetah and start howling. I miss that cat...the smartest one I ever had.

1224 Charles Johnson  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 9:34:00am

re: #1213 buzzsawmonkey

Charles does what he will; he owns this blog, his name is connected with it, and it is perfectly understandable that he would, therefore, be concerned with goings-on that affect his name.

Everyone understands and recognizes that.

The talebearers, however, do not hold that position, though it seems some of them might almost have convinced themselves that they do. And their actions do nothing but reduce this blog to the level of a stalker blog.

Look, I'm sorry -- but you don't have the authority to tell people not to post things here. I appreciate it when people let me know what's going on at sites like that, and I've said so before.

Please note: buzzsawmonkey is not speaking for me. If you see something at another site that you think I should know about, don't hesitate to post a comment about it.

1225 cronus  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 9:34:52am

re: #1217 Creeping Eruption

Obama: "Rahm, pull the bus around please"

And for Van's sake get the but that's powered by biodiesel...

1226 Ringo the Gringo  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 9:35:53am

re: #1142 Killgore Trout

Also via stormfront...
The Second American Revolution Has Begun

White people find common ground.


There was nothing in that video about white people finding common ground.
You may have found the video at Stormfront, but it wasn't produced by Stormfront, it was produced by Edward L. Daley, a blogger for Newsbusters. He can't prevent Stormfront from linking to his Youtube video any more than I can prevent them from linking to one of my videos.

1227 Charles Johnson  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 9:36:04am

re: #1181 Kenneth

Until I see real evidence, more than an unsubstantiated accusation, I don't believe it. Funny you give Van Jones the benefit of the doubt, even though he did not deny signing the Troofer petition, but you fail to extend that same courtesy to a fellow LGFer, one well known for her graciousness and integrity.

If it isn't true, there's nothing stopping her from contacting me about it.

1228 Diego  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 9:36:30am

re: #1225 cronus

And for Van's sake get the but that's powered by biodiesel...

Dr Freud?

1229 Gretchen G.Tiger  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 9:36:43am

I came in on the fireworks last night and really couldn't make heads or tails of the controversy. Some very heated posts.

Can anyone enlighten me?

1230 VioletTiger  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 9:36:50am

re: #1218 SFGoth

Fed the beast (Toonses, my 15#, but mostly sleek*, tabby) some grilled lamb and French vanilla ice cream last night. He loves French vanilla -- don't worry, it's the 2nd time in 6 years I've fed him sugar. That's one happy kitty. Then he wandered back to his napping spot in the brush (aka, the backyard) to curl up for a good night's sleep.
*He's getting a bit of that saggy belly fat, but he's a senior kitizen.


Senior kitizen :)
I'm stealing that one!

1231 cronus  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 9:36:57am

re: #1225 cronus

And for Van's sake get the but bus that's powered by biodiesel...

1232 opnion  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 9:37:05am

re: #1158 Kenneth

How do you know it was her under another nic? It seems to me there is less evidence it was littleoldlady than there is evidence Van Jones signed the Troofer petition.


Laura Ingraham is reporting today that she has a copy of another truther petition allegedly signed by Van Jones when he was Exec Director of a non profit. It was delivered to the San Francisco office of Diane Diane Feinstein.
Other groups signing had lots of names that incuded Peace, justice & fairness.
If this is true he's toast.

1233 cronus  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 9:37:16am

re: #1228 Diego

Dr Freud?

oops

1234 Killgore Trout  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 9:37:17am

Are US taxpayers funding the Taliban?


The United States Agency for International Development has opened an investigation into allegations that its funds for road and bridge construction in Afghanistan are ending up in the hands of the Taliban, through a protection racket for contractors.

And House Foreign Affairs Committee member, Rep. Bill Delahunt (D-Mass.) vowed to hold hearings on the issue in the fall, saying: "The idea that American taxpayer dollars are ending up with the Taliban is a case for grave concern."

U.S. officials confirmed that the preliminary investigation and the proposed hearings were sparked by a GlobalPost special report on the funding of the Taliban last month that uncovered a process that has been an open secret in Afghanistan for years among those in international aid organizations.

1235 MJ  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 9:37:54am

re: #1232 opnion

Laura Ingraham is reporting today that she has a copy of another truther petition allegedly signed by Van Jones when he was Exec Director of a non profit. It was delivered to the San Francisco office of Diane Diane Feinstein.
Other groups signing had lots of names that incuded Peace, justice & fairness.
If this is true he's toast.

That's the same one link to at Rense.

1236 Diego  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 9:38:09am

re: #1233 cronus

oops

(grin)

1237 opnion  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 9:38:35am

re: #1210 Kosh's Shadow

If I were one of those diplomats, I'd defect rather than go back.


Uh yeah, as long as your family is with you, going back to Iran is not
an option.

1238 Kenneth  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 9:38:40am

re: #1227 Charles

Actually, there is something stopping her. Put your foot in her shoes and think how she feels. Did you get my email, btw?

1239 BARACK THE VOTE  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 9:38:48am

re: #1213 buzzsawmonkey


The talebearers, however, do not hold that position, though it seems some of them might almost have convinced themselves that they do. And their actions do nothing but reduce this blog to the level of a stalker blog.

Typical.

"Of course the people who do X are bad, but really it's the people who call out X that are loathsome and despicable blahblah"

That schtick's getting old.

1240 avanti  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 9:39:23am

re: #1201 KingKenrod

He has whatever power Obama chooses to delegate to him. Specifically, he is the lead executive on deciding how the $30 billion for green jobs (passed in the stimulus) gets spent.

That's the best description I've seen so far, except it's advising on, not deciding on.

1241 [deleted]  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 9:39:58am
1242 scottishbuzzsaw  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 9:40:09am

re: #1227 Charles

If it isn't true, there's nothing stopping her from contacting me about it.

What was the proof that caused her to be accused?

1243 Bear  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 9:40:59am

Good morning/afternoon all as the case may be.
A bit of rain so far and gloomy sky.

1244 Charles Johnson  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 9:41:25am

And since I'm getting email demanding that I apologize, based on a link at rense freaking com, here's my statement on it:

No. Once again, we see people so consumed by hatred and partisan blindness that they'll take the word of conspiracy websites.

In any case, I'm never going to apologize for anything I've written on this subject. If credible information comes out that Van Jones was a real, honest to goodness Truther, then I'll be sure to report that. But I'm not apologizing.

Rense.com is NOT a credible source.

1245 [deleted]  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 9:41:30am
1246 Sharmuta  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 9:41:38am

re: #1241 buzzsawmonkey

Fine. I'll go with Charles on this and continue to let him know when I see crap I think he should know about.

1247 SFGoth  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 9:41:43am

Honestly, Van Jones sounds like a lounge singer's name. Hopefully, he won't be here longer than all week.

1248 Pianobuff  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 9:41:49am

Regardless of whether it's right or wrong, justified or not, etc., who thinks that Jones will make it through the next week and who thinks he'll be gone within a week? Predictions?

1249 Charles Johnson  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 9:42:09am

re: #1242 scottishbuzzsaw

What was the proof that caused her to be accused?

Sorry, I'm not going to reveal how I learn that kind of stuff. If you think about it you'll see why.

1250 J.D.  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 9:43:07am

re: #1247 SFGoth

Honestly, Van Jones sounds like a lounge singer's name. Hopefully, he won't be here longer than all week.

That was a good one.
:D

1251 Gretchen G.Tiger  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 9:43:12am

so, this Van Jones, is the Green Jobs Czar. He has $30B at his disposal and there is irrefutable truth he is a troofer.

There was a general meltdown with some Lizards.

Is that it in a nutshell?

1252 J.D.  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 9:43:19am

And kitizen, too.

1253 [deleted]  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 9:44:00am
1254 J.D.  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 9:44:02am

re: #1248 Pianobuff

Regardless of whether it's right or wrong, justified or not, etc., who thinks that Jones will make it through the next week and who thinks he'll be gone within a week? Predictions?

Gone.

1255 Charles Johnson  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 9:44:03am

re: #1251 ggt

so, this Van Jones, is the Green Jobs Czar. He has $30B at his disposal and there is irrefutable truth he is a troofer.

There was a general meltdown with some Lizards.

Is that it in a nutshell?

No, there is no "irrefutable proof" of anything.

1256 Killgore Trout  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 9:44:14am

re: #1248 Pianobuff

Regardless of whether it's right or wrong, justified or not, etc., who thinks that Jones will make it through the next week and who thinks he'll be gone within a week? Predictions?

It's tough to say. He's a lousy candidate to hold any position in the white house. If the truther allegations pan out it might sink him. He might be let go anyways just to appease the wingnuts.

1257 Pianobuff  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 9:45:20am

Question #2: If it ultimately comes out that Jones did, in fact, agree for his name to be included on the 911-truther petition, would that mean he is a truther?

1258 unrealizedviewpoint  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 9:45:40am

re: #1256 Killgore Trout

It's tough to say. He's a lousy candidate to hold any position in the white house. If the truther allegations pan out it might sink him. He might be let go anyways just to appease the wingnuts.

To appease the wingnuts? How about to appease the American people?

1259 J.D.  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 9:46:21am

re: #1257 Pianobuff

Question #2: If it ultimately comes out that Jones did, in fact, agree for his name to be included on the 911-truther petition, would that mean he is a truther?

It would mean his judgment is too poor to have that job.

1260 Gretchen G.Tiger  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 9:46:30am

re: #1255 Charles

No, there is no "irrefutable proof" of anything.

ah!

Thank you.

1261 SixDegrees  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 9:46:57am

re: #1240 avanti

That's the best description I've seen so far, except it's advising on, not deciding on.

Being in charge of how $30 billion is going to be spent goes far beyond advising. That's the sort of power alloted to Cabinet members and their immediate subordinates.

The lack of transparency into how taxpayer money is being spent, and by who, is at the core of concerns over the gigantic upspike in czarist rule at the White House. It's been a questionable issue for years, but as long as it was limited to a very few individuals assigned to one particular, narrow specialty it never attracted a great deal of attention. When the opacity extends to dozens of unvetted individuals with power over vast sums of money and resources, it raises the specter of the creation of a sort of shadow cabinet that is unanswerable for anything or to anyone.

1262 Charles Johnson  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 9:47:48am

And by the way, if Van Jones is forced to step down over the issue, I'm not going to be unhappy. He's clearly much farther to the left than I am comfortable with in a presidential aide.

But I remain disgusted that people would eagerly accept the word of Truthers and rense.com, without any other evidence.

1263 avanti  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 9:48:18am

re: #1248 Pianobuff

Regardless of whether it's right or wrong, justified or not, etc., who thinks that Jones will make it through the next week and who thinks he'll be gone within a week? Predictions?

Unless a smoking gun issue shows up, he'll keep his job, at least I hope so. To toss a leftie guy under the bus every time the right goes bat shit is just as wrong as if the left did it to a conservative.

1264 Lincolntf  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 9:48:19am

re: #1248 Pianobuff

I'll start off at 50/50 at the moment, but one more straw will probably break the came;ls back. Obama can (and does) tolerate a lot of shady people, but even he would have to see what an affront to Americans it is to have a "Troofer" in the Administration.
It's Friday, so they may be hoping to make it through the Sunday News shows without another shoe falling, but I don't know if they'll make it. Next week, the news will probably be all "Obama goes to school" and "Obama's plea for a public option".

1265 Kenneth  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 9:48:20am

re: #1251 ggt

There is indirect evidence that he may have signed a troofer petition. But that sort of circumstantial evidence should not be enough to convict anybody.

1266 midwestgak  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 9:48:30am

re: #1261 SixDegrees

Being in charge of how $30 billion is going to be spent goes far beyond advising. That's the sort of power alloted to Cabinet members and their immediate subordinates.

The lack of transparency into how taxpayer money is being spent, and by who, is at the core of concerns over the gigantic upspike in czarist rule at the White House. It's been a questionable issue for years, but as long as it was limited to a very few individuals assigned to one particular, narrow specialty it never attracted a great deal of attention. When the opacity extends to dozens of unvetted individuals with power over vast sums of money and resources, it raises the specter of the creation of a sort of shadow cabinet that is unanswerable for anything or to anyone.

Except to Obama.

1267 Killgore Trout  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 9:48:33am

re: #1258 unrealizedviewpoint

To appease the wingnuts? How about to appease the American people?

They dropped the end of life counseling because the Death Panel lie. The administration does try to appease the nutcases.

1268 Killgore Trout  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 9:49:59am

Update: Teen lied about Muslim student not standing for pledge

The controversy over a Hernando County student who made a disparaging remark to a Muslim girl has taken a new turn. 16-year-old Heather Lawrence claimed the girl did not stand during the pledge of allegiance in class last week.

According to multiple reports, Springstead High School Principal Susan Duval said she spoke with the teacher who was in the classroom with the Muslim girl at the time of the pledge. The teacher confirmed the girl was standing.

Lawrence says she was walking by the girl's classroom and saw sitting down during the pledge. Later, Lawrence says she told the girl to take the muslim head scarf off, or hijab, and stand up.

1269 Desert Dog  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 9:50:07am

re: #1261 SixDegrees

Being in charge of how $30 billion is going to be spent goes far beyond advising. That's the sort of power alloted to Cabinet members and their immediate subordinates.

The lack of transparency into how taxpayer money is being spent, and by who, is at the core of concerns over the gigantic upspike in czarist rule at the White House. It's been a questionable issue for years, but as long as it was limited to a very few individuals assigned to one particular, narrow specialty it never attracted a great deal of attention. When the opacity extends to dozens of unvetted individuals with power over vast sums of money and resources, it raises the specter of the creation of a sort of shadow cabinet that is unanswerable for anything or to anyone.

Obama is not the only President to rely on these types of advisers, but I agree with you 100% about the level of policy that is being run out of the czars offices, rather than the cabinet level. Not good, no matter who is in charge.

1270 Dreader1962  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 9:50:32am

re: #1249 Charles

Sorry, I'm not going to reveal how I learn that kind of stuff. If you think about it you'll see why.

Methods and sources - methods and sources.

Non-intel types have a hard time getting their mind around that.

1271 Killgore Trout  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 9:50:50am

re: #1268 Killgore Trout

See Fox News Coverage: Teen Suspended for Criticizing Muslim Student

1272 greygandalf  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 9:51:29am

re: #1263 avanti

Unless a smoking gun issue shows up, he'll keep his job, at least I hope so.

If the media does not let the truther thing go, he is gone. Too much of a distraction I'd imagine.

1273 aboo-Hoo-Hoo  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 9:51:34am

re: #1202 Desert Dog

Bye "former" diplomats. Nice knowing you guys, have fun in prison (if you are lucky)

A helluva purge. You could even get the impression the Mullah's might be up to no-good but nah...

1274 Kenneth  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 9:51:41am

Later folks. I'm off to a wedding for the day. Yahoo!

My best wishes to all on a lovely afternoon!

1275 Desert Dog  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 9:52:12am

re: #1273 aboo-Hoo-Hoo

A helluva purge. You could even get the impression the Mullah's might be up to no-good but nah...

they are doing Allah's work...

1276 SixDegrees  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 9:52:14am

re: #1262 Charles

And by the way, if Van Jones is forced to step down over the issue, I'm not going to be unhappy. He's clearly much farther to the left than I am comfortable with in a presidential aide.

But I remain disgusted that people would eagerly accept the word of Truthers and rense.com, without any other evidence.

Unfortunately, if he steps down anytime soon the whackjobs who perpetrated this frothing will only be encouraged, and we'll see an uptick in smears in the future in place of rational criticism.

Torches-and-pitchforks crowd: 1. Rational opposition: 0.

1277 Pianobuff  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 9:52:41am

re: #1269 Desert Dog

Obama is not the only President to rely on these types of advisers, but I agree with you 100% about the level of policy that is being run out of the czars offices, rather than the cabinet level. Not good, no matter who is in charge.

Agreed. I'm hopeful that this becomes a campaign issue and both Obama and whomever the opponent are get pressured into making commitments to reduce the number. There's no reason to believe that the next R to be president wouldn't have even more since that seems to be the trend and it would be nice to see the practice throttled back a bit.

1278 opnion  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 9:52:55am

re: #1267 Killgore Trout

They dropped the end of life counseling because the Death Panel lie. The administration does try to appease the nutcases.


Well,sure that's where he got his votes.

1279 Gretchen G.Tiger  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 9:53:03am

re: #1265 Kenneth

There is indirect evidence that he may have signed a troofer petition. But that sort of circumstantial evidence should not be enough to convict anybody.

Thank You and I agree.

I am so tired of the inuendo and hysteria over "gossip".

1280 Killgore Trout  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 9:53:15am

Another update:
Police arrest Muslim community leader who claimed he was abducted by racists

A Muslim community leader who claimed last week to have been abducted from his own home by racists as part of a British National party hate campaign, has been arrested on suspicion of perverting the course of justice.

Everyone is so full of shit.

1281 Mad Al-Jaffee  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 9:53:55am

Here's a little preview of the one's school spech:

[Link: www.washingtonexaminer.com...]

1282 MJ  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 9:54:57am

re: #1271 Killgore Trout

See Fox News Coverage: Teen Suspended for Criticizing Muslim Student

Muslim baiting headline by Fox.

1283 Desert Dog  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 9:55:00am

re: #1277 Pianobuff

Agreed. I'm hopeful that this becomes a campaign issue and both Obama and whomever the opponent are get pressured into making commitments to reduce the number. There's no reason to believe that the next R to be president wouldn't have even more since that seems to be the trend and it would be nice to see the practice throttled back a bit.

What happened to the lofty and soaring rhetoric about how Obama will be as transparent as glass? I guess that was "just words"?

1284 Gretchen G.Tiger  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 9:55:26am

I am reminded of another truism from the movie "A Few Good Men"

paraphrasing Tom Cruise's character:

The truth doesn't matter, what matters is what I can prove."

1285 cronus  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 9:55:38am

I believe Drudge just linked to this. Sorry if it has already been posted. First time I've seen it.

COMPARED GEORGE W. BUSH TO 'CRACKHEAD TRYING TO LICK CRACKPIPE FOR A FIX'...

1286 Lincolntf  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 9:56:10am

re: #1283 Desert Dog

What transparency problem are you talking about?
I can see right through the guy.

1287 Gretchen G.Tiger  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 9:56:14am

re: #1282 MJ

Muslim baiting headline by Fox.

Is it just me or is the MSM --all of the MSM--race baiting?

I just don't see the level of tension in my everyday life that the media seems to think is out there.

1288 Killgore Trout  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 9:56:25am

re: #1282 MJ

Muslim baiting headline by Fox.


Yeah, I don't know why anyone believes what they read on FOX.

1289 Dahveed  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 9:57:04am

College football this weekend. Let the fun begin!

Go Illini!

1290 avanti  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 9:57:52am

re: #1268 Killgore Trout

Update: Teen lied about Muslim student not standing for pledge

As a American, I chose to stand, and as a American, I have the right to stay seated if I like. Even if the girl kept her seat, she has that right and the girl that confronted her should learn that.

1291 Diego  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 9:58:53am

re: #1288 Killgore Trout

Yeah, I don't know why anyone believes what they read on FOX.

Or see, hear, smell..

1292 avanti  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 9:59:15am

re: #1272 greygandalf

If the media does not let the truther thing go, he is gone. Too much of a distraction I'd imagine.

So far, only Fox and the right wing blogs are hammering it although the rest are giving it some ink.

1293 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 10:00:15am

Hey, all.

During the discussion of the upcoming Obama Indoctrination of Youth Speech, I've heard repeated assumptions made to the effect that:

1. It will be mandatory.
2. It will take up a great deal of instructional time with partisan and indoctrinational activities.
3. All of us in education, agenda-driven hard-left types that we are, will worshipfully induct our fourth-graders into the Cult of Obama.

Of course, I work full-time in education, and I hadn't even heard of this thing until it came up here. So I experimented by going to an elementary teachers' board I sometimes read, and asking people what their plans were.

Five responders so far. I summarize:

1. The superintendent hasn't said yet whether they're watching it. If so, this teacher will let her co-teacher who does social studies handle it. She recalls that there is a lesson plan online somewhere. She doesn't plan to waste any time on the speech.

2. Angry comment about how a Catholic school (mine) should not be participating, due to Obama's record with abortion.

3. Was told the kids could watch if the teachers could find a standard related to the speech. This teacher 'has no desire' to have her kids watch, and won't look up a standard.

4. Teaches first grade, and the kids will be at lunch. Likes the idea, but would like to know what will be talked about in advance. Hopes her own children get to see it. If they don't see it at school, she will show it to them on the Web. Guesses it is controversial with 'the haters'.

5. Is behind with science standards, and the speech is during lunch. Plans to have the kids do a measuring exercises while they eat.

Obviously, this doesn't speak to whether the speech is a good idea or not, but I would like to introduce a note of realism into the somewhat fevered image of my profession I've heard here on occasion.

1294 avanti  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 10:00:41am

re: #1288 Killgore Trout

Yeah, I don't know why anyone believes what they read on FOX.

They believe it because it fits their mindset.

1295 SasquatchOnSteroids  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 10:01:14am

re: #1285 cronus

I believe Drudge just linked to this. Sorry if it has already been posted. First time I've seen it.

COMPARED GEORGE W. BUSH TO 'CRACKHEAD TRYING TO LICK CRACKPIPE FOR A FIX'...

Beautiful, isn't he ?

Czar.

1296 opnion  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 10:01:15am

re: #1287 ggt

Is it just me or is the MSM --all of the MSM--race baiting?

I just don't see the level of tension in my everyday life that the media seems to think is out there.


Interesting that you say that. If racism is so deep & wide I wouuld exect to encounter it more in my personal life.
That is not to say that it never happens, but it seems to be the exception that proves the rule.

1297 kansas  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 10:02:01am

re: #1288 Killgore Trout

Yeah, I don't know why anyone believes what they read on FOX, MSNBC, ABC, CBS, NBC, AP, Reuters.

1298 Lincolntf  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 10:02:11am

re: #1285 cronus

Heh. He's actually not bad at stand-up. His audience definitely likes him.

Still, he's a gibbering clown who should be no where near the Administration.

1299 Desert Dog  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 10:02:14am

History buff’s cannonball hits neighbor’s home

Hope he has cannonball insurance.

1300 Digital Display  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 10:02:23am

re: #1290 avanti

As a American, I chose to stand, and as a American, I have the right to stay seated if I like. Even if the girl kept her seat, she has that right and the girl that confronted her should learn that.


And I have the right to criticize you for your lack of respect...
Flip side...There was no way the girl got suspended for 5 days for just cticizing another student.. This is much more to this story

1301 opnion  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 10:03:28am

re: #1289 Dahveed

College football this weekend. Let the fun begin!

Go Illini!

Yeah baby! I have tickets for the Micigan & Northwestern games.
Go Illini!

1302 aboo-Hoo-Hoo  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 10:04:08am

re: #1275 Desert Dog

they are doing Allah's work...

uh yeah...isn't that a pleasant little thought?

1303 lawhawk  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 10:04:30am

re: #1299 Desert Dog

I'm sure he made a big splash.

1304 unrealizedviewpoint  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 10:04:51am

re: #1285 cronus

I believe Drudge just linked to this. Sorry if it has already been posted. First time I've seen it.

COMPARED GEORGE W. BUSH TO 'CRACKHEAD TRYING TO LICK CRACKPIPE FOR A FIX'...

Breitbart loading slow due to volume. Here's link to YouTube:

1305 Creeping Eruption  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 10:05:17am

re: #1299 Desert Dog

History buff’s cannonball hits neighbor’s home

Hope he has cannonball insurance.

Neighbor: "When you said cannonball, I thought you meant in the fucking pool!"

1306 BARACK THE VOTE  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 10:05:37am

re: #1256 Killgore Trout

It's tough to say. He's a lousy candidate to hold any position in the white house. If the truther allegations pan out it might sink him. He might be let go anyways just to appease the wingnuts.

KT-- sadly, this is my guess. Obama keeps on making concessions to the fringe right-- releasing clarifications, removing innocent language, walking back good provisions (cf. sec 1233 in HR3200) -- and it never helps. The wingnuts claim victory and that the clarification proves their most deranged fantasies were true all along.

Van Jones may well be dropped--and the wingnuts will call it a victory and the 'serious right' will say that Obama has 'thrown someone else under the bus' and damn him for that too.

When you play with the party of No, every game is a zero-sum game.

1307 NukeAtomrod  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 10:05:44am

re: #1267 Killgore Trout

They dropped the end of life counseling because the Death Panel lie. The administration does try to appease the nutcases.

No. That was a bait-and-switch maneuver. Sarah Palin's "Death Panel" comment was a criticism of rationing under a government-run health care system. The White House and Progressive Democrat Congressmen didn't want to talk about that, so they spun it into "She said Obama wants to kill grandma." Then they sacrificed end-of-life counseling to make it look like a right-wing victory and obfuscate the issue.

1308 SasquatchOnSteroids  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 10:06:14am

re: #1299 Desert Dog

History buff’s cannonball hits neighbor’s home

Hope he has cannonball insurance.

Well, that'll solve the dog pooping in his yard thing.

1309 Kosh's Shadow  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 10:06:28am

re: #1305 Creeping Eruption

Neighbor: "When you said cannonball, I thought you meant in the fucking pool!"

Or maybe a model train

1310 Desert Dog  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 10:06:42am

re: #1303 lawhawk

I'm sure he made a big splash.

Good thing he didn't get out his vintage flamethrower collection, the entire neighborhood would have been wiped out.

1311 opnion  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 10:06:45am

re: #1292 avanti

So far, only Fox and the right wing blogs are hammering it although the rest are giving it some ink.

Right , CNN was covering another Michael Jackson Memeorial last night.
If FNC understood real news , they would have done the same.
How ya doin?

1312 avanti  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 10:07:27am

re: #1300 HoosierHoops

And I have the right to criticize you for your lack of respect...
Flip side...There was no way the girl got suspended for 5 days for just cticizing another student.. This is much more to this story

It was reduced to 3 days, and she asked her to remove her head scarf too, and that gets into a religious issue.

1313 Lincolntf  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 10:07:27am

re: #1306 iceweasel

When you play with the Party of "No Accountability", everything is the fault of some "nut" from the other side.

1314 cronus  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 10:08:42am

re: #1295 SasquatchOnSteroids

Beautiful, isn't he ?

Czar.

Truther or no truther this guy has no business being in the WH intern pool let alone a position of seniority in the Administration. His appointment now rivals Daschle's as the worst vetting job of Obama's still very brief tenure.

1315 opnion  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 10:09:39am

re: #1307 NukeAtomrod

No. That was a bait-and-switch maneuver. Sarah Palin's "Death Panel" comment was a criticism of rationing under a government-run health care system. The White House and Progressive Democrat Congressmen didn't want to talk about that, so they spun it into "She said Obama wants to kill grandma." Then they sacrificed end-of-life counseling to make it look like a right-wing victory and obfuscate the issue.


She used the wrong terminology. There will be a Committee &/or efficacy panels. Nobody truly believes that there will not be rationing.

1316 Dahveed  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 10:10:20am

re: #1301 opnion

Yeah baby! I have tickets for the Micigan & Northwestern games.
Go Illini!

I think the Illini have a reasonable chance at a Jan. 1 bowl game. Ohio St and Penn St back-to-back will be tough but it would be great to see at least one win in those two weeks.

1317 lawhawk  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 10:10:26am

re: #1314 cronus

Truther or no truther this guy has no business being in the WH intern pool let alone a position of seniority in the Administration. His appointment now rivals Daschle's as the worst vetting job of Obama's still very brief tenure.

And Hilda Solis. And Tim Geithner. And that's just on the failure to pay taxes disqualifiers.

1318 avanti  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 10:11:04am

re: #1306 iceweasel

KT-- sadly, this is my guess. Obama keeps on making concessions to the fringe right-- releasing clarifications, removing innocent language, walking back good provisions (cf. sec 1233 in HR3200) -- and it never helps. The wingnuts claim victory and that the clarification proves their most deranged fantasies were true all along.

Van Jones may well be dropped--and the wingnuts will call it a victory and the 'serious right' will say that Obama has 'thrown someone else under the bus' and damn him for that too.

I agree, and again, at some point the POTUS will have to stand up to the right. He seems to think if he plays nice, they will, when in fact, they'll just get nastier smelling blood in the water. There have been better issues to hold he line on, but at some point the POTUS will have to lose his mellow.

When you play with the party of No, every game is a zero-sum game.

1319 unrealizedviewpoint  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 10:12:39am

re: #1315 opnion

She used the wrong terminology. There will be a Committee &/or efficacy panels. Nobody truly believes that there will not be rationing.

Though not factual, she did use the right terminology. It worked, and that was the goal? Hopefully, when all done, a reasonable bill can be advanced.

1320 SasquatchOnSteroids  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 10:13:09am

The fringe right is screwing Obamas' agenda up ?

I think Obamas' agenda is fucking his agenda up.

Awakened.

1321 cronus  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 10:13:48am

re: #1317 lawhawk

And Hilda Solis. And Tim Geithner. And that's just on the failure to pay taxes disqualifiers.

Shhh...didn't you know this is the "best transition ever"?

1322 Gus  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 10:14:15am

re: #1263 avanti

Unless a smoking gun issue shows up, he'll keep his job, at least I hope so. To toss a leftie guy under the bus every time the right goes bat shit is just as wrong as if the left did it to a conservative.

Morning.

Personally, I think Obama should have picked someone with more technical experience in "green jobs." This could have been an architect or engineer that is also knowledgeable of LEED. Another background for a possible candidate would have been someone with entrepreneurial experience in the manufacture or service related to sustainable design.

As it stands, and with ideological differences aside, Jones' background is primarily that of a California prisoner advocate. Regardless, having observed Obama's behavior for the past 8 months I don't think Jones will be asked to step down. In DC, one has to be convicted by a court of law before on an unrelated matter before they lose their job. Another thing is that outside of this environment, an employer would have no legal standing to fire Jones based on his ideological stance and the "alleged" signing of a petition.

1323 Desert Dog  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 10:14:20am

re: #1306 iceweasel

KT-- sadly, this is my guess. Obama keeps on making concessions to the fringe right-- releasing clarifications, removing innocent language, walking back good provisions (cf. sec 1233 in HR3200) -- and it never helps. The wingnuts claim victory and that the clarification proves their most deranged fantasies were true all along.

Van Jones may well be dropped--and the wingnuts will call it a victory and the 'serious right' will say that Obama has 'thrown someone else under the bus' and damn him for that too.

When you play with the party of No, every game is a zero-sum game.

Funny, I bet you had no trouble playing the Party of No role a year ago? It's only harmful when the other side says no?

How some actual bipartisanship? Please show me where Obama has reached across the aisle since he has been President. So far it's been: "hey, I won" and "shut up". It takes two to tango, otherwise you are dancing with yourself.

1324 opnion  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 10:14:42am

re: #1316 Dahveed

I think the Illini have a reasonable chance at a Jan. 1 bowl game. Ohio St and Penn St back-to-back will be tough but it would be great to see at least one win in those two weeks.


They are going to have to step up the running game & imo play McGee more.
They will find out a lot about themselves tomorrow in St. Louis when they play Mizzou. Let's go back to the Rose Bowl, same game, new winner.

1325 avanti  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 10:15:05am

re: #1311 opnion

Right , CNN was covering another Michael Jackson Memeorial last night.
If FNC understood real news , they would have done the same.
How ya doin?

I'm doing well, and thanks for asking. My son married his sweetheart last week, and I treated them to a casino honeymoon. I could not have picked a better new daughter if I had to. A wonderful gal, a model, and drop dead gorgeous to boot.

1326 Desert Dog  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 10:16:05am

re: #1325 avanti

I'm doing well, and thanks for asking. My son married his sweetheart last week, and I treated them to a casino honeymoon. I could not have picked a better new daughter if I had to. A wonderful gal, a model, and drop dead gorgeous to boot.

congratulations to your son and your new daughter, Avanti!

1327 BARACK THE VOTE  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 10:16:07am

re: #1307 NukeAtomrod

No. That was a bait-and-switch maneuver. Sarah Palin's "Death Panel" comment was a criticism of rationing under a government-run health care system. The White House and Progressive Democrat Congressmen didn't want to talk about that, so they spun it into "She said Obama wants to kill grandma." Then they sacrificed end-of-life counseling to make it look like a right-wing victory and obfuscate the issue.

Bullshit. Palin is a fool and a liar who deliberately misrepresented HR3200 in an attempt to drum up opposition by any means necessary, including lying and fearmongering. And several n the GOP went happily along with it.

Now you're going to whine that it's really all the fault of the nasty libs and their trickse media that people reported it. Yeah, like anyone had to 'spin' anything to point out that she was fool and a liar about it.

FAIL.

1328 avanti  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 10:18:43am

re: #1322 Gus 802

I agree, he's seems to have been hired based on a pretty good record on community level green job creation, and I'm sure that appealed to Obama, but the vetting could have been better. I also suspect the POTUS did not expect the level of political driven digging into every speech, statement and the rest.

1329 opnion  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 10:19:26am

re: #1319 unrealizedviewpoint

Though not factual, she did use the right terminology. It worked, and that was the goal? Hopefully, when all done, a reasonable bill can be advanced.


If she could have talked about rationing & gotten a fair hearing.
I don't know that her intent was to force removal, she posted on
Facebook, but maybe.
If they address the working poor without coverage, but not qualified for medicaid, everyone would get behind it. Seems to me that there is more going on here.

1330 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 10:20:29am

re: #1322 Gus 802

Morning.

Personally, I think Obama should have picked someone with more technical experience in "green jobs." This could have been an architect or engineer that is also knowledgeable of LEED. Another background for a possible candidate would have been someone with entrepreneurial experience in the manufacture or service related to sustainable design.

As it stands, and with ideological differences aside, Jones' background is primarily that of a California prisoner advocate. Regardless, having observed Obama's behavior for the past 8 months I don't think Jones will be asked to step down. In DC, one has to be convicted by a court of law before on an unrelated matter before they lose their job. Another thing is that outside of this environment, an employer would have no legal standing to fire Jones based on his ideological stance and the "alleged" signing of a petition.

Well, he's a Fellow at the Institute of Noetic Sciences, that should be good enough.

"The Institute of Noetic Sciences (IONS) was co-founded in 1973 by former astronaut Edgar Mitchell and industrialist Paul N. Temple[1][2] to encourage and conduct research on human potentials.[3] Institute programs include "extended human capacities," "integral health and healing," and "emerging worldviews." This includes research into topics such as spontaneous remission, meditation, consciousness, alternative healing practices, spirituality, human potential, psychic abilities and survival of consciousness after bodily death, among others.[4] The institute's name is derived from the Greek word nous, meaning direct or inner knowing, a reference to intuition."

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

1331 scottishbuzzsaw  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 10:20:48am
1332 opnion  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 10:21:08am

re: #1325 avanti

I'm doing well, and thanks for asking. My son married his sweetheart last week, and I treated them to a casino honeymoon. I could not have picked a better new daughter if I had to. A wonderful gal, a model, and drop dead gorgeous to boot.


That's great news, congratulations to all of you.

1333 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 10:21:16am

re: #1328 avanti

I agree, he's seems to have been hired based on a pretty good record on community level green job creation, and I'm sure that appealed to Obama, but the vetting could have been better. I also suspect the POTUS did not expect the level of political driven digging into every speech, statement and the rest.

That's what Obama has the American citizen for... good job.

1334 unrealizedviewpoint  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 10:21:16am

re: #1327 iceweasel

Bullshit. Palin is a fool and a liar who deliberately misrepresented HR3200 in an attempt to drum up opposition by any means necessary, including lying and fearmongering. And several n the GOP went happily along with it.

Now you're going to whine that it's really all the fault of the nasty libs and their trickse media that people reported it. Yeah, like anyone had to 'spin' anything to point out that she was fool and a liar about it.

FAIL.

She utilized exaggeration. I'd hardly call that lying.

BTW - what's with all this vitriol coming from you? Every controversial partisan topic brings it forth from you.

1335 [deleted]  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 10:22:02am
1336 Silvergirl  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 10:22:19am

Isn't this the first time a president has addressed students specifically? If so, it's a historical first, so why shouldn't students be there to hear it and see what they think? They have watched NASA firsts, they witnessed 9/11 on their classroom screen, and they have watched historical events of every flavor from the past. They should be there for this.

I didn't vote for Obama and I don't support his policies, but I listened to his inaugural speech and many others since.

I don't understand the outcry. It isn't mandatory anyway.

1337 callahan23  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 10:23:45am

re: #1330 Walter L. Newton

Up-ding despite the lack of a sarc tag.
;-)

1338 JohnH  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 10:23:50am

re: #1328 avanti

but the vetting could have been better. I also suspect the POTUS did not expect the level of political driven digging into every speech, statement and the rest.

Call Republicans assholes, trash the country and you shouldn't expect people to dig into where the guy is coming from?

1339 Gus  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 10:24:18am

re: #1330 Walter L. Newton

Well, he's a Fellow at the Institute of Noetic Sciences, that should be good enough.

"The Institute of Noetic Sciences (IONS) was co-founded in 1973 by former astronaut Edgar Mitchell and industrialist Paul N. Temple[1][2] to encourage and conduct research on human potentials.[3] Institute programs include "extended human capacities," "integral health and healing," and "emerging worldviews." This includes research into topics such as spontaneous remission, meditation, consciousness, alternative healing practices, spirituality, human potential, psychic abilities and survival of consciousness after bodily death, among others.[4] The institute's name is derived from the Greek word nous, meaning direct or inner knowing, a reference to intuition."

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

Oh boy.

I will now create green jobs by placing my fingers on my temples while squinting my eyes and pronouncing "there will be green jobs!"

//Osmosis!

/

1340 Diego  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 10:25:28am

re: #1293 SanFranciscoZionist


During the discussion of the upcoming Obama Indoctrination of Youth Speech

I don't recall anyone calling this an Indoctrination of Youth Speech or schools boards refusing to show it or parents pulling their kids out of school over it:

George H.W. Bush addresses schools, 1991

The level of absolute absurdity being offered from some on the right is staggering. Sure, there are nuts on both side, but this, and other insanity, is being supported and fostered by 'mainline' members and politicos on the right and it's disgraceful.

1341 avanti  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 10:26:09am

re: #1332 opnion

That's great news, congratulations to all of you.

Thanks, here's the bride, rocking grandma's wedding dress.

Magan.

1342 SasquatchOnSteroids  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 10:26:21am

re: #1331 scottishbuzzsaw

Another thing of beauty for departed friends.

That's pretty...damn desolate.
No WAWA ? No 7-Eleven. I wouldn't survive 3 days.

/

1343 opnion  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 10:26:41am

re: #1333 Walter L. Newton

That's what Obama has the American citizen for... good job.

Yup, when Obama was inaugurated it was more like the coronation of Charlemagne. He thought that he could get away with anything.
Just look at some of these other Czars.

1344 Diego  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 10:28:20am

re: #1307 NukeAtomrod

No. That was a bait-and-switch maneuver. Sarah Palin's "Death Panel" comment was a criticism of rationing under a government-run health care system. The White House and Progressive Democrat Congressmen didn't want to talk about that, so they spun it into "She said Obama wants to kill grandma." Then they sacrificed end-of-life counseling to make it look like a right-wing victory and obfuscate the issue.


Actually, it was Sen. Grassley (R-Iowa) who said the President's proposals were going to 'pull the plug on Grandma', not the White House or Democrats.

1345 opnion  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 10:30:25am

re: #1341 avanti

Thanks, here's the bride, rocking grandma's wedding dress.

Magan.

She is a beauty. Those two will make great looking grandchidren.

1346 BARACK THE VOTE  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 10:30:48am

re: #1334 unrealizedviewpoint

She utilized exaggeration. I'd hardly call that lying.

BTW - what's with all this vitriol coming from you? Every controversial partisan topic brings it forth from you.

Check the last thread where someone called me a nasty bitch and you might get why I'm feeling a little impatient today.

And btw, you are completely wrong to say that I employ vitriol as a matter of course, let alone on 'every controversial partisan topic'.

I do not suffer fools gladly, nor insults kindly, and that is my very nonpartisan take on it. :)

BTW, I'm an independent and I hate the Dems only slightly less than i do the republicans.

1347 kansas  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 10:30:56am

re: #1328 avanti

I agree, he's seems to have been hired based on a pretty good record on community level green job creation, and I'm sure that appealed to Obama, but the vetting could have been better. I also suspect the POTUS did not expect the level of political driven digging into every speech, statement and the rest.

Lot's of ACORNS planted I suppose.

1348 humpty dumpty was pushed  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 10:34:30am

re: #1336 Silvergirl

Silver,
Parents here were so freaked out that my son`s school decided not to show the POTUS speech at all.

1349 NukeAtomrod  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 10:36:08am

re: #1307 NukeAtomrod

Since Charles down-dinged me, I think I should back up my statement.
Here is the relevant excerpt from Sarah Palin's Facebook note, that started the Death Panel controversy:

The Democrats promise that a government health care system will reduce the cost of health care, but as the economist Thomas Sowell has pointed out, government health care will not reduce the cost; it will simply refuse to pay the cost. And who will suffer the most when they ration care? The sick, the elderly, and the disabled, of course. The America I know and love is not one in which my parents or my baby with Down Syndrome will have to stand in front of Obama’s “death panel” so his bureaucrats can decide, based on a subjective judgment of their “level of productivity in society,” whether they are worthy of health care. Such a system is downright evil.

Health care by definition involves life and death decisions. Human rights and human dignity must be at the center of any health care discussion.

And here is a link to the full text of the note.

As you can now see for yourself, her statement had nothing to do with end-of-life counseling at all. I am certain that other lizards have brought up this point in the past. And it is obvious fact, so can't we all just agree that "Death Panel" was intended as another term for "Health Care Services Rationing Committee That Makes Life and Death Decisions?" Please?

1350 unrealizedviewpoint  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 10:37:37am

re: #1346 iceweasel

Just giving you my take, how I see it from reading your comments. Ease up on the coffee maybe? Also, ease up on the down-dinger. Simply disagreeing is not cause.

1351 Bloodnok  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 10:38:53am

re: #1346 iceweasel

Check the last thread where someone called me a nasty bitch and you might get why I'm feeling a little impatient today.

And btw, you are completely wrong to say that I employ vitriol as a matter of course, let alone on 'every controversial partisan topic'.

I do not suffer fools gladly, nor insults kindly, and that is my very nonpartisan take on it. :)

BTW, I'm an independent and I hate the Dems only slightly less than i do the republicans.

Vitriol? Why I believe you are positively charming. Good afternoon, Ice!

1352 BARACK THE VOTE  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 10:39:38am

re: #1323 Desert Dog

Funny, I bet you had no trouble playing the Party of No role a year ago?

Funny, I wasn't aware you had a magic 8-ball that could inform you of my past positions.

Sorry. When the republicans get tired of playing crazy stunts like releasing a budget with no numbers in it, and lying about Obama's appointees, and lying about what health reform says, then maybe I'll respect them.

Until then, I trust and respect them even less than your magik seekrit iDub 8ball.

1353 Bloodnok  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 10:40:09am

re: #1350 unrealizedviewpoint

Just giving you my take, how I see it from reading your comments. Ease up on the coffee maybe? Also, ease up on the down-dinger. Simply disagreeing is not cause.

Yes it is. That's the point of them.

1354 NukeAtomrod  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 10:41:21am

re: #1344 Diego

Actually, it was Sen. Grassley (R-Iowa) who said the President's proposals were going to 'pull the plug on Grandma', not the White House or Democrats.

I'm sure that's true, but I heard President Obama repeat it while discussing the Death Panel comment. Grassley's statement provided good cover, so he took advantage of it. End-of-life counseling was small potatoes compared to "the Public Option," so it was sacrificed.

1355 BARACK THE VOTE  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 10:41:53am

re: #1351 Bloodnok

Vitriol? Why I believe you are positively charming. Good afternoon, Ice!

Hey baby. ;) How are you today?

My bark is not worse than my bite...and my bite is more pleasurable!

1356 NukeAtomrod  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 10:44:32am

re: #1327 iceweasel

Bullshit. Palin is a fool and a liar who deliberately misrepresented HR3200 in an attempt to drum up opposition by any means necessary, including lying and fearmongering. And several n the GOP went happily along with it.

Now you're going to whine that it's really all the fault of the nasty libs and their trickse media that people reported it. Yeah, like anyone had to 'spin' anything to point out that she was fool and a liar about it.

FAIL.

I provided absolute proof in #1349. I must sadly inform you that it is you who has FAILED.

1357 Diego  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 10:44:51am

re: #1348 humpty dumpty was pushed

Parents here were so freaked out that my son`s school decided not to show the POTUS speech at all.

And so they should be. I've never seen a President so demonized. "Obama isn't American!", "Obama is a sekrit Muslin" (sic), "Obama is a Marxist Communist" (lol?), "Obama is an usurping tyrant who has taken over the country and is going to change the laws so that he can never be removed from office!". That utter tripe. UNPRECEDENTED tripe.

1358 BARACK THE VOTE  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 10:45:04am

re: #1350 unrealizedviewpoint

Just giving you my take, how I see it from reading your comments. Ease up on the coffee maybe? Also, ease up on the down-dinger. Simply disagreeing is not cause.

Don't tell me how to comment or how to downding.

Just giving you my take.

1359 NukeAtomrod  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 10:48:07am

re: #1353 Bloodnok

Yes it is. That's the point of them.

I didn't think so either. I thought down and up-dings were for exceptionally repulsive and amazingly insightful or funny comments respectively.

1360 BARACK THE VOTE  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 10:49:37am

re: #1356 NukeAtomrod

I provided absolute proof in #1349. I must sadly inform you that it is you who has FAILED.

No, you provided a wingnut talking point, and now you're employing wingnut logic as well: 'I just won by quitting!" "i just proved you failed by declaring Opposite Day!"

I advise you to cling, bitterly, to these forms of argument and ways of looking at the world and your opposition. I think it will be a real winner for the GOP in 2012 and beyond.

/is Opposite Day over yet?

1361 Creeping Eruption  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 10:50:27am

re: #1348 humpty dumpty was pushed

You in Wisconsin?

1362 humpty dumpty was pushed  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 10:50:39am

re: #1357 Diego


It`s wild. If 7th graders today are remotely similar to kids twenty years ago they would be glad to be getting out of regular class time and not paying much attention anyhow.

1363 unrealizedviewpoint  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 10:50:43am

re: #1353 Bloodnok

Simply disagreeing is not cause.

Yes it is. That's the point of them.

Again you are wrong. If you got downdinged everytime you were disagreed with, your karma would be seriously negative. I rarely downding. Most lizards rarely downding. Look through the threads and count the downdings to updings and no dings and you will see, though there is much disagreement throughout, there are but few red dings.

1364 Bloodnok  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 10:51:31am

re: #1355 iceweasel

Hey baby. ;) How are you today?

My bark is not worse than my bite...and my bite is more pleasurable!

I am doing just fine, thanks!

You bit me, ow

1365 humpty dumpty was pushed  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 10:51:44am

re: #1361 Creeping Eruption

West Texas.

1366 unrealizedviewpoint  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 10:52:18am

re: #1358 iceweasel

Don't tell me how to comment or how to downding.

Just giving you my take.

There it is again, vitriol raises it's ugly head.

1367 Diego  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 10:53:34am

re: #1362 humpty dumpty was pushed

It`s wild. If 7th graders today are remotely similar to kids twenty years ago they would be glad to be getting out of regular class time and not paying much attention anyhow.

I'm quite sure the kids don't mind at all. Well, the ones who have not been taught by their parents and/or political and/or religious leaders to 'fear the sekrit Muslim Communist!'.

1368 SixDegrees  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 10:57:25am

re: #1269 Desert Dog

Obama is not the only President to rely on these types of advisers, but I agree with you 100% about the level of policy that is being run out of the czars offices, rather than the cabinet level. Not good, no matter who is in charge.

I agree that this isn't new; it's the abrupt jump in the number of czarists under the Obama Administration that is cause for concern. One or two specialists appointed to address some unusual, specific issue has never risen to the level of concern, but dozens of such appointments in charge of vast sums of money who are unexamined by Congress and who operate with no Congressional oversight starts to raise concerns over the transparency with which those funds are spent, oversight of taxpayer funds, and whether there is actually a "shadow" cabinet that is actually running the government while Congressionally vetted department heads are nothing more than empty suits with little or no actual responsibility or power.

Politics that takes place in the dark is always cause for concern. The sudden expansion of this type of appointment is triggering all sorts of alarm bells.

1369 Bloodnok  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 10:57:25am

re: #1363 unrealizedviewpoint

Again you are wrong. If you got downdinged everytime you were disagreed with, your karma would be seriously negative. I rarely downding. Most lizards rarely downding. Look through the threads and count the downdings to updings and no dings and you will see, though there is much disagreement throughout, there are but few red dings.

There is a difference between someone simply being wrong and someone parroting falsehoods or getting snippy with another poster using poor reasoning or lies. If someone states an opinion I don't agree with, fine. I downding as I see fit, thanks.

1370 NukeAtomrod  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 10:58:59am

re: #1360 iceweasel

No, you provided a wingnut talking point, and now you're employing wingnut logic as well: 'I just won by quitting!" "i just proved you failed by declaring Opposite Day!"

I advise you to cling, bitterly, to these forms of argument and ways of looking at the world and your opposition. I think it will be a real winner for the GOP in 2012 and beyond.

/is Opposite Day over yet?

I provided the quote and the link so you could see it in context. Her statement is exactly as I've described it. Maybe you chose not to read it? Or do you have trouble with reading comprehension?

If you see anything -- ANYTHING AT ALL -- in her statement that refers to End-of-Life Counseling, please quote it. If not, just woman up and admit you are mistaken. It's not that hard.

1371 Bloodnok  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 10:59:09am

re: #1366 unrealizedviewpoint

There it is again, vitriol raises it's ugly head.

That's vitriol?

Looks to me like you are just here to bait Iceweasel. It's okay. You're not the first.

1372 humpty dumpty was pushed  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 11:00:16am

re: #1367 Diego


Yep. Suffering through touchy feely motivational blah blah blah is part of the whole miserable, teen angst ridden educational experience. We`ve all been through it and most survived.

1373 Creeping Eruption  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 11:07:10am

re: #1365 humpty dumpty was pushed

West Texas.

We have some districts refusing up here too. Its asinine

1374 spare o'lake  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 11:08:26am

re: #1267 Killgore Trout

They dropped the end of life counseling because the Death Panel lie. The administration does try to appease the nutcases.

That just shows what a bunch of cynical whores the Dems are.

1375 humpty dumpty was pushed  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 11:11:37am

Upding the asinine. Leave the political bullshit to the adults...most kids don`t get their pants in a wad over a politician`s speech.

1376 Bloodnok  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 11:14:49am

re: #1374 spare o'lake

That just shows what a bunch of cynical whores the Dems are.

Cynical whores? What does that even mean in this case? Are they buckling to nutcase pressure? Yes. Does it show that the GOP will resort to lying to achieve its goals? Unfortunately yes. But what is "cynical" about it?

But it sure did sound good, right?

1377 Spare O'Lake  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 11:23:03am

re: #1376 Bloodnok

Cynical whores? What does that even mean in this case? Are they buckling to nutcase pressure? Yes. Does it show that the GOP will resort to lying to achieve its goals? Unfortunately yes. But what is "cynical" about it?

But it sure did sound good, right?

It sounded good to you because it was true, but you choose to deny the obvious. Obama dropped the counseling, which he honestly believed in, due to nutcase pressure.
That is cynical because he does what is politically expedient rather than sticking to his principles.
You did not ask how it was whoreish, so I will assume that you concede that it was.
Satisfied?

1378 unrealizedviewpoint  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 11:26:21am

re: #1377 Spare O'Lake

It sounded good to you because it was true, but you choose to deny the obvious. Obama dropped the counseling, which he honestly believed in, due to nutcase pressure.
That is cynical because he does what is politically expedient rather than sticking to his principles.
You did not ask how it was whoreish, so I will assume that you concede that it was.
Satisfied?

Obama honestly believes in the govt option, AKA the public option, but that to is being dropped. Principled?

1379 Bloodnok  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 11:29:50am

re: #1377 Spare O'Lake

It sounded good to you because it was true, but you choose to deny the obvious. Obama dropped the counseling, which he honestly believed in, due to nutcase pressure.
That is cynical because he does what is politically expedient rather than sticking to his principles.
You did not ask how it was whoreish, so I will assume that you concede that it was.
Satisfied?

I would say that political pressure built on lies and misrepresentations designed to get the Democrats to drop a proposal that actually helps people JUST SO they can point and say "look what we got them to do" is more than cynical. It's poison for political discourse.

But I didn't address all of your points, so you must have won on those, huh? You must have been a monster on the debate team. /

1380 unrealizedviewpoint  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 11:34:35am

re: #1379 Bloodnok

I would say that political pressure built on lies and misrepresentations designed to get the Democrats to drop a proposal that actually helps people...

There lies the crux of the disagreement. Conservatives mostly do not believe govt healthcare is a proposal that will help people. Conservatives believe the exact opposite.

1381 Bloodnok  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 11:41:19am

re: #1380 unrealizedviewpoint

There lies the crux of the disagreement. Conservatives mostly do not believe govt healthcare is a proposal that will help people. Conservatives believe the exact opposite.

I was referring to the "End of Life" counseling which was distorted by certain folks within the GOP into something it wasn't. Removing something useful just so the right can point and say "look, they're unprincipled -plus they're scared of us!".

1382 unrealizedviewpoint  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 11:58:18am

re: #1381 Bloodnok

I was referring to the "End of Life" counseling which was distorted by certain folks within the GOP into something it wasn't. Removing something useful just so the right can point and say "look, they're unprincipled -plus they're scared of us!".

Conservatives believe govt 'end of life counseling' will eventually lead to 'death counseling'. Just like 'all' govt programs that swell far beyond the scope of the original design, so to will govt care. When govt rationing becomes reality (as is the case in many nations who have govt care), this nation also will be left with no alternative but to implement similar policies. It's hard to un-grow govt.

1383 Ayeless in Ghazi  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 6:49:18pm

Funny how those who complain about the reporting of shenanigans by former and sometimes regrettably current LGF posters on the stalkers sites are usually those who seem to be ideologically closest to those sites, ie those least happy at the moment with this site's current focus - those who'd like to 'turn the LGF clock back'.

1384 BARACK THE VOTE  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 7:06:00pm

re: #1383 Jimmah

Funny how those who complain about the reporting of shenanigans by former and sometimes regrettably current LGF posters on the stalkers sites are usually those who seem to be ideologically closest to those sites, ie those least happy at the moment with this site's current focus - those who'd like to 'turn the LGF clock back'.

I suspect they're also people who would jump over there in a heartbeat if they got banned. There's a little too much similarity in the rhetoric, and I find it extremely odd that anyone here would take the side of that place.

1385 BARACK THE VOTE  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 7:14:12pm

re: #1377 Spare O'Lake

It sounded good to you because it was true, but you choose to deny the obvious. Obama dropped the counseling, which he honestly believed in, due to nutcase pressure.
That is cynical because he does what is politically expedient rather than sticking to his principles.
You did not ask how it was whoreish, so I will assume that you concede that it was.
Satisfied?

No. The GOP are the cynical whores who didn't mind spreading lies, misinformation and fear in order to get what they want -- which is to arouse the rabble and block any and all reform by any means necessary.

The Dems are just weak bastards who roll over for them every time. And they're pragmatic: better to drop sec 1233 and get reform through, than allow the wingnut brigade to completely tank all reform.

1386 Ayeless in Ghazi  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 7:14:32pm

re: #1182 buzzsawmonkey

What's really nauseating is to see the glee of the self-styled enforcers who apparently love to go over to a site that should concern absolutely nobody here, and who then come back here just bursting with eagerness to whip people into a tizzy with their breathless tales of what "they" are doing.

How small.

How petty.

What a bizarrely twisted view. It is not in any way small or petty to be concerned about the welfare of this site, and to try to stop these sneaky, nasty pieces of work from fucking with it, and it's community.

And incidentally, this is an almost exact reproduction of the little speech you aimed at me when I exposed GOTC for posting on 2.0. And yet another iteration of the tired old bs monkey formula "X is bad but those who call X out are those that really disgust me". And another appeal to the morality of the elementary school playground as well of course.

1387 BARACK THE VOTE  Fri, Sep 4, 2009 7:26:50pm

re: #1386 Jimmah


And incidentally, this is an almost exact reproduction of the little speech you aimed at me when I exposed GOTC for posting on 2.0. And yet another iteration of the tired old bs monkey formula "X is bad but those who call X out are those that really disgust me". And another appeal to the morality of the elementary school playground as well of course.

It's also the wingnut philosophy on the right at the moment, to shift the discussion away from those matters to a broader topic. It's like the people who complain about Charles exposing creationists, or Glnn Bck, or other craziness. "The real problem isn't Beck, it's that you're spending so much time talking about Beck!" or "the real problem isn't that threats against Obama have quadrupled and people are bringing guns to townhalls-- it's that the liberal media is talking about it so much!"

These are all attempts to deflect blame and avoid taking personal responsibility or criticising one's own party or 'side' in any way.

And that is what makes it the morality of the playground-- the idea that there was nothing wrong with punching a kid in the face, but there was something wrong with that kid 'telling on' you.

Wingnut Logic: IOKIYAR
Wingnut Psychology: Projection
Wingnut Ethics: IOKIYAR
Wingnut argument: "Of course I condemn X but the real problem is all these people talking about X!"

Insert whatever value you like for X:

people bringing guns to townhalls
sarah palin making shit up about death panels
michael steele lying that dems will ration health care to republicans
Glenn Beck
Creationists attempts to highjack school curricula
Wingnut homophobic family values pols cheating on their family

It's all the whining of that kid on the playground.

1388 Ferris  Sat, Sep 5, 2009 10:39:13pm

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