Olbermann Declares War on Glenn Beck and Roger Ailes

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Uh oh.

Responding to Glenn Beck’s Twitter call for his followers to dig up all the dirt they can find on Obama officials, Keith Olbermann is calling for all the dirt on Glenn Beck.

I don’t know why I’ve got this phrasing in my head, but: Find everything you can about Glenn Beck, �Stu Burguiere, and Roger Ailes. …

Tuesday we will expand this to the television audience and have a dedicated email address to accept leads, tips, contacts, on Beck, his radio producer Burguiere, and the chief of his tv enablers, Ailes (even though Ailes’ power was desperately undercut when he failed to pull off his phony “truce” push).

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588 comments
1 Killgore Trout  Sun, Sep 6, 2009 2:05:34pm

Maybe we'll find out the exact nature of his relationship with the Birch Society.

2 Blackacre  Sun, Sep 6, 2009 2:05:44pm

Gee, wasn't Olbermann Idiotarian of the Year or something?

3 Killgore Trout  Sun, Sep 6, 2009 2:06:42pm

re: #2 Blackacre

Gee, wasn't Olbermann Idiotarian of the Year or something?

Probably. Nutty John Bolton won anti-idiotarian of the year last time.

4 doubter4444  Sun, Sep 6, 2009 2:06:59pm

re: #2 Blackacre

Gee, wasn't Olbermann Idiotarian of the Year or something?

Your point?

5 Irish Rose  Sun, Sep 6, 2009 2:07:52pm

I sense a great disturbance in the force.

6 SteveBrandon  Sun, Sep 6, 2009 2:08:05pm

I wonder how long before someone submits to him this meme that's been floating around left wing blogs and forums for the past couple of weeks?

I think it's supposed to be a vague parody of the Nirther nonsense.

7 jmac1492  Sun, Sep 6, 2009 2:08:15pm

Doesn't this moron have the staff of a TV show to do this research.

(BTW, this moron could be either Olbermann or Beck.)

8 tradewind  Sun, Sep 6, 2009 2:08:53pm

Olbermann is the perpetual recipient of his own Worst Person In the World award.

9 tradewind  Sun, Sep 6, 2009 2:09:15pm

re: #7 jmac1492

Olbermann's staff is all too baked to care.

10 Silvergirl  Sun, Sep 6, 2009 2:10:10pm

re: #2 Blackacre

Gee, wasn't Olbermann Idiotarian of the Year or something?

I thought he was at least in the running. Didn't the MSM win?

11 Irish Rose  Sun, Sep 6, 2009 2:11:39pm

I just emailed a friend who I think may be very interested in this topic.
Here's hoping he drops by.

12 Racer X  Sun, Sep 6, 2009 2:11:51pm

This is just getting silly.

13 [deleted]  Sun, Sep 6, 2009 2:11:58pm
14 Big Steve  Sun, Sep 6, 2009 2:12:32pm

Weren't these two ordered off each other by the Big Bosses at their respective networks?

15 Dahveed  Sun, Sep 6, 2009 2:12:34pm

Perhaps Olbermann and Beck will knock each other out at the same time so they both just go away.

16 SasquatchOnSteroids  Sun, Sep 6, 2009 2:13:23pm

Hey, it's America. Go for it Keith.
More Hitler shit.
Yeehaa,

17 tradewind  Sun, Sep 6, 2009 2:13:50pm

Koslings hit bottom, dig.

Mormon conversion (25+ / 0-)
Here's the youtube link to his mormon conversion story:

[Link: www.youtube.com...]

There's a reason Romney didn't win in the South and was rejected by the base. I think most people don't know Beck's mormon, and there is plenty of weird stuff in that church for us to dig up...

18 Silvergirl  Sun, Sep 6, 2009 2:14:01pm

re: #13 buzzsawmonkey

I advocate the Sambo Option: staying on top of the palm tree and watching while the tigers chase each other round and round the tree until they turn to butter.

The tiger is too noble. Butter is too pure. Let them chase until they turn into some generic brand of margarine.

19 Racer X  Sun, Sep 6, 2009 2:15:23pm

re: #1 Killgore Trout

Maybe we'll find out the exact nature of his relationship with the Birch Society.

We haz pikturez!

20 Blackacre  Sun, Sep 6, 2009 2:15:26pm
the winner of the Fiskie, the idiotarian of the year par excellence, the most outstandingly hypocritical empty-skulled yapper in the universe according to LGF readers: MSNBC spokeshole Keith “The Mouth” Olbermann
21 boxman  Sun, Sep 6, 2009 2:15:32pm

Nice try Herr Olbie. Only problem is it's not analogous in any way; Beck isn't running for office and hasn't been appointed to one either.

22 Locker  Sun, Sep 6, 2009 2:15:36pm

Oh Lord It's On!

23 Shiplord Kirel  Sun, Sep 6, 2009 2:16:02pm

Media war! Pass out the popcorn!!

It's a cutthroat business and the goofy, overblown narcissist Olbermann sees an opportunity in the widespread outrage over the batshit crazy Beck, just as the latter sees an opportunity in the historically under-served (by the MSM) kook conspiracy market.

It would all be very familiar to those who witnessed the Hearst/Pulitzer circulation wars of the 1890s, a competition that eventually managed to incite an actual war against a friendly country, Spain.

24 Big Steve  Sun, Sep 6, 2009 2:16:57pm

Frankly...if you want to make Beck look bad...the clip Charles posted a month or so ago of him caught in a dead lie on "The View" is a great place to start.

25 Charles Johnson  Sun, Sep 6, 2009 2:16:59pm

re: #20 Blackacre

Hey, wow! Who posted that?

Is there a point to that? I think it's pretty clear already that I don't have a lot of respect for Olbermann -- or do I have to post disclaimers on every freaking thing I write, just so people like you won't piss and moan about it?

26 MandyManners  Sun, Sep 6, 2009 2:17:09pm

Beck and Ailes are political appointees?

27 Gus  Sun, Sep 6, 2009 2:17:14pm

If one wanted to open up a small skirmish in such a war they could bring up Roger Ailes, Willie Horton, and some of the other events that took place in the past such as The Southern Strategy.

Things could get ugly.

28 MandyManners  Sun, Sep 6, 2009 2:17:32pm

re: #21 boxman

Nice try Herr Olbie. Only problem is it's not analogous in any way; Beck isn't running for office and hasn't been appointed to one either.

GMTA.

29 Salamantis  Sun, Sep 6, 2009 2:17:32pm

Is that the sound of a worm turning that I hear?

/Mudfight!

30 Racer X  Sun, Sep 6, 2009 2:18:25pm

Celebrity Deathmatch!

Two clowns enter, no clowns leave.

31 MandyManners  Sun, Sep 6, 2009 2:18:35pm

Ailes in Wiki.

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

32 Silvergirl  Sun, Sep 6, 2009 2:18:43pm

re: #25 Charles

Wasn't it a response to a question?

33 MandyManners  Sun, Sep 6, 2009 2:19:40pm

He's on wife NO. 3.

34 Silvergirl  Sun, Sep 6, 2009 2:20:06pm

re: #33 MandyManners

He's on wife NO. 3.

Who is?

35 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Sep 6, 2009 2:20:16pm

The Stupid fighting The Crazy.

What could possibly go wrong?

36 Blackacre  Sun, Sep 6, 2009 2:20:23pm

re: #25 Charles

"piss and moan"

Where are you getting that from?

37 The Other Les  Sun, Sep 6, 2009 2:20:38pm

Digging up dirt On Leftists is pointless.

THEY! DON'T! CARE!


BTW: I almost ran over former Vice President and Mrs. Mondale today while driving a taxi.

38 MandyManners  Sun, Sep 6, 2009 2:21:24pm

Ailes also came up with the "orchestra pit theory" regarding sensationalist political coverage in the news media, with the question:

If you have two guys on a stage and one guy says, 'I have a solution to the Middle East problem,' and the other guy falls in the orchestra pit, who do you think is going to be on the evening news?[12]

39 MandyManners  Sun, Sep 6, 2009 2:21:39pm

re: #34 Silvergirl

Who is?

Ailes.

40 SasquatchOnSteroids  Sun, Sep 6, 2009 2:21:55pm

re: #37 The Other Les

Digging up dirt On Leftists is pointless.

THEY! DON'T! CARE!

BTW: I almost ran over former Vice President and Mrs. Mondale today while driving a taxi.

How did you manage to get on the sidewalk, inquiring minds want to know ?

41 MandyManners  Sun, Sep 6, 2009 2:22:01pm

Nixon, Reagan and GHW Bush.

42 Salamantis  Sun, Sep 6, 2009 2:23:14pm

My fantasy celebrity death match:

William Ayers enters the ring with a frag bomb and Don Black enters packing major auto heat. Ayers throws his bomb just as Black lets fly. Ayers gets mowed down; Black gets blown up. And the referee announces that the American People are the winners.

43 Ojoe  Sun, Sep 6, 2009 2:23:21pm

Time for a centrist party and cut the crazies adrift.

I note that there are 2 main parties and that the number 2 has no center.

Even numbers were thought to be ill omens by the Romans ...

44 jimmytheclaw  Sun, Sep 6, 2009 2:23:48pm

digging dirt on an elected official compared to digging dirt on a reporter/pundit/comedian

45 Shiplord Kirel  Sun, Sep 6, 2009 2:24:04pm

Ailes was the evil genius of GOP media strategy in the 80s. His most famous constribution being the Willie Horton ad.
He did not put Dukakis in the tank but probably wishes he had.

46 The Other Les  Sun, Sep 6, 2009 2:24:26pm

re: #40 SasquatchOnSteroids

They were on Marquette Avenue. There is no sidewalk at that point.

47 pat  Sun, Sep 6, 2009 2:25:23pm

LOL. Likely to drive up ratings for both of them. I must say though, Olberman has a long way to go catch up Beck. But it is a clever tag-a-long. His war with O Reilly got him about 250K more viewers.

48 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Sep 6, 2009 2:25:33pm

re: #30 Racer X

BLUNDERDOME!

/who run Martyrtown?

49 JammieWearingFool  Sun, Sep 6, 2009 2:25:42pm

I imagine the suits at NBC are thrilled seeing their hack go off the cliff.

50 MandyManners  Sun, Sep 6, 2009 2:25:45pm

re: #44 jimmytheclaw

digging dirt on an elected official compared to digging dirt on a reporter/pundit/comedian

And, a rich Republican.

51 Big Steve  Sun, Sep 6, 2009 2:25:52pm

re: #45 Shiplord Kirel


He did not put Dukakis in the tank

Forgive my election politics naivety but I never understood what was so bad about the image of Dukakis in the tank?

52 Fenway_Nation  Sun, Sep 6, 2009 2:25:53pm
'Tuesday we will expand this to the television audience...'

Wow...that'll be like four extra people olby will have at his disposal to dig up dirt on Beck and Ailes.

53 jaunte  Sun, Sep 6, 2009 2:26:25pm

re: #51 Big Steve

It just made him look really nerdy.

54 MandyManners  Sun, Sep 6, 2009 2:26:45pm

re: #49 JammieWearingFool

I imagine the suits at NBC are thrilled seeing their hack go off the cliff.

I wonder how Glenn's and Keith's ratings compare.

55 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Sep 6, 2009 2:27:12pm

re: #49 JammieWearingFool

I imagine the suits at NBC are thrilled seeing their hack go off the cliff.

Hey, it's working for Beck, just look at his ratings.

/half sarc

56 SasquatchOnSteroids  Sun, Sep 6, 2009 2:27:27pm

re: #46 The Other Les

They were on Marquette Avenue. There is no sidewalk at that point.

aha, well thank the heavens.

57 JammieWearingFool  Sun, Sep 6, 2009 2:28:08pm

re: #54 MandyManners

I wonder how Glenn's and Keith's ratings compare.

They don't. Beck has ratings and Olbermann is at the bottom of the cable news heap.

58 The Other Les  Sun, Sep 6, 2009 2:28:13pm

re: #51 Big Steve

Forgive my election politics naivety but I never understood what was so bad about the image of Dukakis in the tank?

Their party was being antimilitary. The tannk ride was seen as an act of fraudulent posturing.

59 Big Steve  Sun, Sep 6, 2009 2:28:18pm

Several have mentioned the difference is that Van Jones was a member of the government and Beck is a "Journalist". However, I humbly submit, that in today's climate there isn't much different. Guys like Beck do what they do and do influence the political process. I think Beck is fair game.

60 Shiplord Kirel  Sun, Sep 6, 2009 2:28:20pm

Like some others here, I am wondering what might constitute "dirt" on a media figure. Fifty years ago, if you called a major media personality a pervert, a drunkard, and a dope addict, he would have sued you for slander. Today, he'll thank you for reading his autobiography.

61 Ojoe  Sun, Sep 6, 2009 2:28:45pm

There once were two cats from Kilkenny
Each thought there was one cat too many
So they fought and they fit
And they scratched and they bit
Until instead of two cats
There weren't any

Rx Modern Whig party.

There may be other alternatives too.

62 pat  Sun, Sep 6, 2009 2:29:11pm

re: #54 MandyManners

As of last week, about 3M for Beck, 1.2M for Olberman. Both extremely good figures for Cable. Beck's approaches broadcast numbers.

63 MandyManners  Sun, Sep 6, 2009 2:29:25pm

re: #57 JammieWearingFool

They don't. Beck has ratings and Olbermann is at the bottom of the cable news heap.

Why do I have the image of a yappy, ankle-biting dog?

64 MandyManners  Sun, Sep 6, 2009 2:29:54pm

re: #59 Big Steve

Several have mentioned the difference is that Van Jones was a member of the government and Beck is a "Journalist". However, I humbly submit, that in today's climate there isn't much different. Guys like Beck do what they do and do influence the political process. I think Beck is fair game.

Of course he is fair game!

65 The Other Les  Sun, Sep 6, 2009 2:30:01pm

re: #56 SasquatchOnSteroids

aha, well thank the heavens.

Hitting anyone would have been a bad thing from the employment side of things. Even a waste of mass and energy like Walter Mondale.

66 lawhawk  Sun, Sep 6, 2009 2:30:20pm

Hmmm... comparing the top Democrat in the nation and the President of the United States, whose background still has gaping holes in history and in-depth investigation because the media chose to overlook all possible questionable associations and decided that he was the Chosen One, and Glenn Beck, whose opinions are his own and has a listen show on cable tv.

Yeah, that's a great comparison there Olbermann.

Beck is a maroon, a loon, and happened to latch on to a problem with Van Jones, that turned out to be the least of his troubles (the junk science and radical left/pro-cop killer tendencies rate higher than his trooferisms). He's loud, obnoxious, and doesn't speak for the GOP.

Obama does.

And it's not like Olbermann is one to throw stones here either. He's got a skeleton or dozen in his closet, because he's deep and not playable.

67 midwestgak  Sun, Sep 6, 2009 2:30:21pm

I knew an old lady, who swallowed a fly.
I don't know why she swallowed a fly.
I guess she'll die.

I knew an old lady, she swallowed a spider.
That squiggled and wriggled and giggled inside her.
She swallowed the spider to catch the fly . .

How does it end?

She swallowed a horse. She's dead of course.

Politically, who will end up biting off more than they can stomach?

68 The Other Les  Sun, Sep 6, 2009 2:31:00pm

re: #64 MandyManners

Of course he is fair game!

Insert Scientology reference here.

69 MandyManners  Sun, Sep 6, 2009 2:31:02pm

re: #62 pat

As of last week, about 3M for Beck, 1.2M for Olberman. Both extremely good figures for Cable. Beck's approaches broadcast numbers.

Does CNN have a comparable person?

70 Shiplord Kirel  Sun, Sep 6, 2009 2:31:13pm

re: #51 Big Steve

Forgive my election politics naivety but I never understood what was so bad about the image of Dukakis in the tank?

Beats me, but there is no doubt at all that it was perceived as a mistake at the time.

71 pat  Sun, Sep 6, 2009 2:31:39pm

re: #69 MandyManners

Yes. Lou Dobbs.

72 MandyManners  Sun, Sep 6, 2009 2:31:55pm

re: #66 lawhawk

Hmmm... comparing the top Democrat in the nation and the President of the United States, whose background still has gaping holes in history and in-depth investigation because the media chose to overlook all possible questionable associations and decided that he was the Chosen One, and Glenn Beck, whose opinions are his own and has a listen show on cable tv.

Yeah, that's a great comparison there Olbermann.

Beck is a maroon, a loon, and happened to latch on to a problem with Van Jones, that turned out to be the least of his troubles (the junk science and radical left/pro-cop killer tendencies rate higher than his trooferisms). He's loud, obnoxious, and doesn't speak for the GOP.

Obama does.

And it's not like Olbermann is one to throw stones here either. He's got a skeleton or dozen in his closet, because he's deep and not playable.

Keith has skeletons?

73 MandyManners  Sun, Sep 6, 2009 2:32:11pm

re: #71 pat

Yes. Lou Dobbs.

I kinda' like him.

74 Big Steve  Sun, Sep 6, 2009 2:32:14pm

re: #70 Shiplord Kirel

Beats me, but there is no doubt at all that it was perceived as a mistake at the time.

Oh well, I never understood what was so bad about the photo of John Kerry windsurfing either.

75 Last Mohican  Sun, Sep 6, 2009 2:32:21pm

A day or two ago, Sharmuta posted a clip from Olbermann's show, in which Olbermann showed clips of Beck's "Rockefellers=Communists" rant, interspersed with Olbermann's debunking, which he rendered in his typical deranged, hysterical, too-much-eye-contact, I-may-be-on-the-verge-of-becoming-a-serial-killer manner.

I found it to be the video equivalent of someone scratching their fingernails on a chalkboard. Really painful. This whole "dueling freakshows" thing could get really ugly, really quickly.

76 MandyManners  Sun, Sep 6, 2009 2:32:48pm

re: #72 MandyManners

Keith has skeletons?

Now I'm hearing the phrase "dem bones" in my mind.

77 Salamantis  Sun, Sep 6, 2009 2:32:57pm

re: #51 Big Steve

Forgive my election politics naivety but I never understood what was so bad about the image of Dukakis in the tank?

He looked so utterly ridiculous riding in it that a lotta people just couldn't imagine him as Commander-in-Chief. So they didn't vote for him.

78 pat  Sun, Sep 6, 2009 2:32:59pm

Lou Dobbs drives me crazy. Like Michael Savage. Even if i might agree on a point or two, I can't listen or watch. Way too much anger.

79 Digital Display  Sun, Sep 6, 2009 2:33:12pm

re: #71 pat

Yes. Lou Dobbs.

So when are you going hiking Diamond Head?
I hate you!
*wink*

80 Charles Johnson  Sun, Sep 6, 2009 2:33:30pm

re: #74 Big Steve

Oh well, I never understood what was so bad about the photo of John Kerry windsurfing either.

Kerry windsurfing wasn't so bad.

This, on the other hand...

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

81 MandyManners  Sun, Sep 6, 2009 2:33:54pm

re: #75 Last Mohican

A day or two ago, Sharmuta posted a clip from Olbermann's show, in which Olbermann showed clips of Beck's "Rockefellers=Communists" rant, interspersed with Olbermann's debunking, which he rendered in his typical deranged, hysterical, too-much-eye-contact, I-may-be-on-the-verge-of-becoming-a-serial-killer manner.

I found it to be the video equivalent of someone scratching their fingernails on a chalkboard. Really painful. This whole "dueling freakshows" thing could get really ugly, really quickly.

That's why I love my remote control's MUTE and OFF buttons.

82 Irish Rose  Sun, Sep 6, 2009 2:34:08pm

re: #25 Charles

Hey, wow! Who posted that?

Is there a point to that? I think it's pretty clear already that I don't have a lot of respect for Olbermann -- or do I have to post disclaimers on every freaking thing I write, just so people like you won't piss and moan about it?

Apparently so.

83 pat  Sun, Sep 6, 2009 2:34:28pm

re: #79 HoosierHoops

Waiting for daughter to get back from church. Then off we go.

84 MandyManners  Sun, Sep 6, 2009 2:34:49pm

re: #80 Charles

Kerry windsurfing wasn't so bad.

This, on the other hand...

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]


I don't know how you stopped laughing.

85 Perplexed  Sun, Sep 6, 2009 2:34:50pm

Shouldn't be too hard to dig up stuff on Beck. Just depends on what you want to use against him. Was he a drunk? Yes. He admits it. Drunks do stupid things. Dig away and at the end of the day look around and ask if your own life would stand the scrutiny these guys are willing to do. Mine sure wouldn't and I seriously doubt many others would either.

86 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sun, Sep 6, 2009 2:34:59pm

re: #80 Charles

Is that the warm up to actually getting his head up there?

87 Irish Rose  Sun, Sep 6, 2009 2:35:10pm

re: #80 Charles

Kerry windsurfing wasn't so bad.

This, on the other hand...

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

LMAO, classic!

88 jayzee  Sun, Sep 6, 2009 2:35:24pm

They need to dig up dirt on Beck? How about the way he cried after he had a hemorrhoid removed?

89 Salamantis  Sun, Sep 6, 2009 2:35:47pm

re: #80 Charles

Kerry windsurfing wasn't so bad.

This, on the other hand...

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

This one didn't help much either:

Image: kerry_NASA.jpg

90 MandyManners  Sun, Sep 6, 2009 2:36:33pm

re: #89 Salamantis

This one didn't help much either:

[Link: www.thepeoplescube.com...]

Willie Wonka!

91 Racer X  Sun, Sep 6, 2009 2:36:39pm

I don't know about you guys, but I'm looking forward to an all-out war between Beck and Olbermann.

This will be fun!

92 jayzee  Sun, Sep 6, 2009 2:36:41pm

re: #89 Salamantis

he looks so smurflike. I want one.

93 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sun, Sep 6, 2009 2:36:45pm

re: #89 Salamantis

This one didn't help much either:

[Link: www.thepeoplescube.com...]

Can someone photoshop some bunny ears on that pic? Please!

94 MandyManners  Sun, Sep 6, 2009 2:36:59pm

re: #89 Salamantis

This one didn't help much either:

[Link: www.thepeoplescube.com...]

Body condom!

95 Big Steve  Sun, Sep 6, 2009 2:37:01pm

re: #80 Charles

Kerry windsurfing wasn't so bad.

This, on the other hand...

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

Now that is hysterical! I hadn't seen that before...

96 MittDoesNotCompute  Sun, Sep 6, 2009 2:37:43pm

re: #51 Big Steve

Forgive my election politics naivety but I never understood what was so bad about the image of Dukakis in the tank?

Because the Donks have traditionally been seen as weak on defense, especially after Carter's complete clusterfuck with the Iranian hostage crisis and other Pentagon blunders...Dukakis was rightly seen as simply preening for the cameras and pandering to pro-military voters with his tank photo op.

97 pat  Sun, Sep 6, 2009 2:37:46pm

re: #80 Charles

Then there is this:
Image: Kerry_Suit-2.jpg

Kerry could have defused with humor, instead he showed a very ugly side.

98 Salamantis  Sun, Sep 6, 2009 2:38:09pm

re: #93 Cannadian Club Akbar

Can someone photoshop some bunny ears on that pic? Please!

Your wish is my command...;~)

Image: kerry_bunnysuit.jpg

99 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Sep 6, 2009 2:38:29pm

If anyone is going to dig up stuff on Beck that will stick, and stink, it will be his connections to whacked out conspiracy mongers.

100 Charles Johnson  Sun, Sep 6, 2009 2:38:42pm

Here we go again -- someone is going around and signing my name to petitions and adding gross and disgusting comments.

101 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sun, Sep 6, 2009 2:38:59pm

re: #98 Salamantis

Your wish is my command...;~)

[Link: z.about.com...]

That is fucking awesome!! heh.

102 Irish Rose  Sun, Sep 6, 2009 2:39:03pm

re: #85 Perplexed

Shouldn't be too hard to dig up stuff on Beck. Just depends on what you want to use against him. Was he a drunk? Yes. He admits it. Drunks do stupid things. Dig away and at the end of the day look around and ask if your own life would stand the scrutiny these guys are willing to do. Mine sure wouldn't and I seriously doubt many others would either.

This should be fun to watch.

I do hope that Olbermann is decent enough to leave Becks' wife and children out of it, though.

103 SasquatchOnSteroids  Sun, Sep 6, 2009 2:39:33pm

re: #91 Racer X

I don't know about you guys, but I'm looking forward to an all-out war between Beck and Olbermann.

This will be fun!

I miss the Ren and Stimpy show.

"Stimpy's First Fart"

104 richiep  Sun, Sep 6, 2009 2:39:38pm

Hey Olberman; I hope you have a good battle plan because Glen has a lot more troops than you. Considering you ratings KO you need to worry about your next job.

105 Irish Rose  Sun, Sep 6, 2009 2:39:53pm

re: #89 Salamantis

This one didn't help much either:

[Link: www.thepeoplescube.com...]

Good times!

106 wiffersnapper  Sun, Sep 6, 2009 2:40:12pm

Put them both in timeout. This is getting ridiculous.

107 MandyManners  Sun, Sep 6, 2009 2:40:32pm

re: #100 Charles

Here we go again -- someone is going around and signing my name to petitions and adding gross and disgusting comments.

Dickheads.

108 Irish Rose  Sun, Sep 6, 2009 2:40:40pm

re: #104 richiep

Hey Olberman; I hope you have a good battle plan because Glen has a lot more troops than you. Considering you ratings KO you need to worry about your next job.

You're kidding right?

109 The Other Les  Sun, Sep 6, 2009 2:40:42pm

re: #103 SasquatchOnSteroids

Kilted Yaksmen.

"The history of this nation will be written in your blood!"

110 jayzee  Sun, Sep 6, 2009 2:41:17pm

In all seriousness though, I think there is a difference between government officials and people in the "press" or entertainment industry. If Keith wants to go after Republicans, fair game, going after Beck et al, I think may bother me, just the same as an "investigation" into Olbermann would bother me. What Keith wants to do is eerily reminiscent of McCarthyism.

111 Occasional Reader  Sun, Sep 6, 2009 2:41:24pm

A pox on both their houses.

112 MandyManners  Sun, Sep 6, 2009 2:41:28pm

re: #100 Charles

Here we go again -- someone is going around and signing my name to petitions and adding gross and disgusting comments.

How do you find out about such things?

113 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sun, Sep 6, 2009 2:41:33pm

re: #108 Irish Rose

You're kidding right?

Beck 3:1 in ratings over Oberman.

114 davinvalkri  Sun, Sep 6, 2009 2:41:36pm

re: #13 buzzsawmonkey

I advocate the Sambo Option: staying on top of the palm tree and watching while the tigers chase each other round and round the tree until they turn to butter.

Mutually assured cable destruction FTW!

115 Carvin Guitar Man  Sun, Sep 6, 2009 2:42:16pm

Oh Good Lord.

Don't these two have anything better to do? Like actual reporting and fact-checking?

116 Charles Johnson  Sun, Sep 6, 2009 2:42:34pm

re: #112 MandyManners

How do you find out about such things?

Petitionsonline sends an email confirmation. Whoever did it used my email address, so I got the confirmation notice.

I forwarded it to their abuse department.

117 MandyManners  Sun, Sep 6, 2009 2:42:35pm

re: #110 jayzee

In all seriousness though, I think there is a difference between government officials and people in the "press" or entertainment industry. If Keith wants to go after Republicans, fair game, going after Beck et al, I think may bother me, just the same as an "investigation" into Olbermann would bother me. What Keith wants to do is eerily reminiscent of McCarthyism.

It doesn't bother me at all. They have willingly put themselves into the public arena.

118 Digital Display  Sun, Sep 6, 2009 2:42:46pm

re: #100 Charles

Here we go again -- someone is going around and signing my name to petitions and adding gross and disgusting comments.

Pretty much backs up your premises that anybody can sign anything on the Internet...It doesn't make it fact or true..
Sorry Charles...

119 Silvergirl  Sun, Sep 6, 2009 2:43:01pm

re: #102 Irish Rose

This should be fun to watch.

I do hope that Olbermann is decent enough to leave Becks' wife and children out of it, though.

I thought the same.

120 Charles Johnson  Sun, Sep 6, 2009 2:43:15pm

re: #112 MandyManners

How do you find out about such things?

This is the third one in the past couple of days.

121 MandyManners  Sun, Sep 6, 2009 2:43:16pm

re: #116 Charles

Petitionsonline sends an email confirmation. Whoever did it used my email address, so I got the confirmation notice.

I forwarded it to their abuse department.

Can the jerks be traced?

122 SixDegrees  Sun, Sep 6, 2009 2:43:26pm

Prediction: Glen Beck is gay, and an ardent supporter of NAMBLA.

How long before a website turns up with his signature on a petition urging homosexual trysts with 12 year old boys?

123 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Sep 6, 2009 2:43:43pm

re: #115 Carvin Guitar Man

Don't these two have anything better to do? Like actual reporting and fact-checking?

Why should they start now?

124 Irish Rose  Sun, Sep 6, 2009 2:43:49pm

re: #100 Charles

Here we go again -- someone is going around and signing my name to petitions and adding gross and disgusting comments.

Must be those fine upstanding Christians over at Deuce, Atlas, Hot Air, JW and Ace.

125 MandyManners  Sun, Sep 6, 2009 2:43:52pm

re: #120 Charles

This is the third one in the past couple of days.

Somebody needs a hobby.

126 SixDegrees  Sun, Sep 6, 2009 2:44:18pm

re: #2 Blackacre

Gee, wasn't Olbermann Idiotarian of the Year or something?

Beck's breathing down his neck for this year's title.

127 Salamantis  Sun, Sep 6, 2009 2:44:24pm

re: #125 MandyManners

Somebody needs a hobby.

Apparently, someone already has one.

128 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sun, Sep 6, 2009 2:44:28pm

re: #76 MandyManners

Now I'm hearing the phrase "dem bones" in my mind.

(OT: My parents had a 78 of that, done IIRC by the Delta Rhythm Boys ... I wish I had it as a keepsake)

129 MandyManners  Sun, Sep 6, 2009 2:45:08pm

re: #127 Salamantis

Apparently, someone already has one.

I can think of better things to occupy his/her time.

130 pat  Sun, Sep 6, 2009 2:45:19pm

A short history of Olberman.
[Link: www.olbermannwatch.com...]

131 Charles Johnson  Sun, Sep 6, 2009 2:45:37pm

The latest petition signed by the stalker:

[Link: www.PetitionOnline.com...]

132 SixDegrees  Sun, Sep 6, 2009 2:45:38pm

re: #100 Charles

Here we go again -- someone is going around and signing my name to petitions and adding gross and disgusting comments.

They're probably angry at you for exposing Jones' signature on the Troofer petition was fraudulent.

133 Salamantis  Sun, Sep 6, 2009 2:45:48pm

re: #129 MandyManners

I can think of better things to occupy his/her time.

I can think of few things worse.

134 [deleted]  Sun, Sep 6, 2009 2:45:49pm
135 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sun, Sep 6, 2009 2:45:50pm

re: #100 Charles

Here we go again -- someone is going around and signing my name to petitions and adding gross and disgusting comments.

WTF?!?!
In real life?

136 MandyManners  Sun, Sep 6, 2009 2:46:09pm

re: #128 pre-Boomer Marine brat

(OT: My parents had a 78 of that, done IIRC by the Delta Rhythm Boys ... I wish I had it as a keepsake)

Youtube Video
137 Carvin Guitar Man  Sun, Sep 6, 2009 2:46:24pm

re: #123 Slumbering Behemoth

Why should they start now?

Uh...because that's what they should have been doing all along?

138 Mr Pancakes  Sun, Sep 6, 2009 2:46:27pm

re: #13 buzzsawmonkey

I advocate the Sambo Option: staying on top of the palm tree and watching while the tigers chase each other round and round the tree until they turn to butter.

Mmmm butter

139 jayzee  Sun, Sep 6, 2009 2:46:29pm

re: #117 MandyManners

I agree to certain extent, like if TMZ ran a Beck story, but that's not what he's trying to accomplish. I don't like the implications of going after media on a personal level because you don't agree with what they say. But then again the guys deserves it if anyone does. Let's say I have a lot of ambivalent feelings regarding this.

140 Blackacre  Sun, Sep 6, 2009 2:46:42pm

re: #126 SixDegrees

Beck's breathing down his neck for this year's title.

Voting is only about four months away. Go for it.

141 Occasional Reader  Sun, Sep 6, 2009 2:46:50pm

And late on this one, but; I am wonderfully blissed out that Van Jones is gone. That fruitcake should never have been anywhere NEAR the levers of public power.

142 Charles Johnson  Sun, Sep 6, 2009 2:47:00pm

I had to turn off the contact form, by the way, because one of those cretins has been using it to send a series of incredibly vile messages to me about being "ass-raped."

143 MandyManners  Sun, Sep 6, 2009 2:47:24pm

re: #131 Charles

The latest petition signed by the stalker:

[Link: www.PetitionOnline.com...]

Wow. You really pissed off some unhinged person.

144 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sun, Sep 6, 2009 2:47:24pm

re: #131 Charles

The latest petition signed by the stalker:

[Link: www.PetitionOnline.com...]

Crap!
Someone needs to realize that there's something beyond 2nd grade.

145 Salamantis  Sun, Sep 6, 2009 2:47:52pm

re: #142 Charles

I had to turn off the contact form, by the way, because one of those cretins has been using it to send a series of incredibly vile messages to me about being "ass-raped."

Sounds like HE was the one feeling all butthurt...;~)

146 MandyManners  Sun, Sep 6, 2009 2:47:52pm

re: #133 Salamantis

I can think of few things worse.

re: #134 MikeySDCA

Hara-kiri for one.

Bonsai gardening.

147 Carvin Guitar Man  Sun, Sep 6, 2009 2:47:53pm

re: #142 Charles

I had to turn off the contact form, by the way, because one of those cretins has been using it to send a series of incredibly vile messages to me about being "ass-raped."

Cute.
/sarcasm

148 SixDegrees  Sun, Sep 6, 2009 2:47:56pm

re: #35 Slumbering Behemoth

The Stupid fighting The Crazy.

What could possibly go wrong?

It's an idiot's cage match!

Two morons enter; one moron leaves!

149 [deleted]  Sun, Sep 6, 2009 2:47:58pm
150 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sun, Sep 6, 2009 2:48:08pm

re: #142 Charles

I had to turn off the contact form, by the way, because one of those cretins has been using it to send a series of incredibly vile messages to me about being "ass-raped."

Maybe from the overnight flounce parade?

151 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sun, Sep 6, 2009 2:48:21pm

re: #136 MandyManners

Youtube Video

:D ... OMG ... I KNOW WHAT THAT IS even before I click it.
{Mandy}
MWAH!

152 MandyManners  Sun, Sep 6, 2009 2:48:40pm

re: #139 jayzee

I agree to certain extent, like if TMZ ran a Beck story, but that's not what he's trying to accomplish. I don't like the implications of going after media on a personal level because you don't agree with what they say. But then again the guys deserves it if anyone does. Let's say I have a lot of ambivalent feelings regarding this.

I'm sure Beck expected something like this to happen.

153 JarHeadLifer  Sun, Sep 6, 2009 2:48:40pm

Talk about the battle of dumb and dumber. There's virtually no one to root for in this fight. Hopefully they'll destroy each other and will be replaced by people that don't wet the bed on national TV.

154 Occasional Reader  Sun, Sep 6, 2009 2:48:43pm

re: #142 Charles

I had to turn off the contact form, by the way, because one of those cretins has been using it to send a series of incredibly vile messages to me about being "ass-raped."

So you're a homophobe, too.

//

155 Gus  Sun, Sep 6, 2009 2:49:21pm

Cable News Ratings

September 3, 2009
Glenn Beck– 2,865,000 viewers
K. Olbermann – 1,242,000 viewers
2.3 to 1

September 2, 2009
Glenn Beck– 2,676,000 viewers
K. Olbermann – 1,166,000 viewers
2.3 to 1

156 Carvin Guitar Man  Sun, Sep 6, 2009 2:49:22pm

re: #148 SixDegrees

It's an idiot's cage match!

Two morons enter; one moron leaves!

You want one of their shows to actually survive this?

157 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Sep 6, 2009 2:49:25pm

re: #137 Carvin Guitar Man

Uh...because that's what they should have been doing all along?

Somebody should have told them that long ago. Alas, it does not seem to be in their job descriptions.

158 Carvin Guitar Man  Sun, Sep 6, 2009 2:50:05pm

re: #157 Slumbering Behemoth

Somebody should have told them that long ago. Alas, it does not seem to be in their job descriptions.

Unfortunately not.

159 MandyManners  Sun, Sep 6, 2009 2:50:09pm

re: #141 Occasional Reader

And late on this one, but; I am wonderfully blissed out that Van Jones is gone. That fruitcake should never have been anywhere NEAR the levers of public power.

Look at Mark Lloyd and Jeff Jones!

160 Occasional Reader  Sun, Sep 6, 2009 2:50:46pm

Ah. Online petitions. Those things that libs believe will (for instance) convince the thugs in Khartoum to stop practicing genocide.

161 MandyManners  Sun, Sep 6, 2009 2:50:47pm

re: #151 pre-Boomer Marine brat

:D ... OMG ... I KNOW WHAT THAT IS even before I click it.
{Mandy}
MWAH!

You're welcome.

162 John Neverbend  Sun, Sep 6, 2009 2:51:00pm

re: #104 richiep

Hey Olberman; I hope you have a good battle plan because Glen has a lot more troops than you. Considering you ratings KO you need to worry about your next job.

He'll just go back to football commentary.

163 MandyManners  Sun, Sep 6, 2009 2:51:55pm

re: #160 Occasional Reader

Ah. Online petitions. Those things that libs believe will (for instance) convince the thugs in Khartoum to stop practicing genocide.

But, they caarrre.

164 MittDoesNotCompute  Sun, Sep 6, 2009 2:52:07pm

re: #100 Charles

Here we go again -- someone is going around and signing my name to petitions and adding gross and disgusting comments.

It must really drive your enemies over on the Deuce and elsewhere batshit insane that you actually stand by your convictions and don't associate with fellow fascists and kooks (as they do) out of a perceived convenience or kinship.

/don't you love being right? ;-P

165 Carvin Guitar Man  Sun, Sep 6, 2009 2:52:20pm

re: #162 John Neverbend

He'll just go back to football commentary.

Blecch. I don't want him there either!

166 Salamantis  Sun, Sep 6, 2009 2:52:34pm

re: #162 John Neverbend

He'll just go back to football commentary.

For the Love of God, Montresor! For the Love of God!

/whimper!

167 Silvergirl  Sun, Sep 6, 2009 2:52:37pm

re: #162 John Neverbend

He'll just go back to football commentary.

No! That's our job--little green football commentary. Don't let Olbermann be a Lizard!

168 Fenway_Nation  Sun, Sep 6, 2009 2:52:41pm

re: #162 John Neverbend

NOOO!!!

169 Irish Rose  Sun, Sep 6, 2009 2:52:56pm

re: #142 Charles

I had to turn off the contact form, by the way, because one of those cretins has been using it to send a series of incredibly vile messages to me about being "ass-raped."



Rape spam, nice.

170 Diego  Sun, Sep 6, 2009 2:53:18pm

 
Throw rocks at me if you feel you must, but I like Olbermann :)

/me dons lizard proof undies and smiles :)
 

171 solomonpanting  Sun, Sep 6, 2009 2:53:24pm

re: #162 John Neverbend

He'll just go back to football commentary.

Wonder what he thinks about Bush, Reggie, that is.

172 Charles Johnson  Sun, Sep 6, 2009 2:53:43pm

The person sending the "ass-rape" emails to me is in Israel.

173 Fenway_Nation  Sun, Sep 6, 2009 2:53:49pm

re: #163 MandyManners

But, they caarrre.


Sometimes they CAIR too much.

174 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sun, Sep 6, 2009 2:54:03pm

re: #161 MandyManners

You're welcome.

It was wonderful!
I'm gonna download it!
MWAH again.

175 Silvergirl  Sun, Sep 6, 2009 2:54:04pm

re: #170 Diego

 
Throw rocks at me if you feel you must, but I like Olbermann :)

/me dons lizard proof undies and smiles :)
 

No rocks.

Would you like this cold washcloth for your forehead?

176 Racer X  Sun, Sep 6, 2009 2:54:06pm

re: #170 Diego

 
Throw rocks at me if you feel you must, but I like Olbermann :)

/me dons lizard proof undies and smiles :)
 

You actually typed that out loud?

177 [deleted]  Sun, Sep 6, 2009 2:54:11pm
178 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Sep 6, 2009 2:54:14pm

re: #160 Occasional Reader

Ah. Online petitions. Those things that libs believe will (for instance) convince the thugs in Khartoum to stop practicing genocide.

Online petitions (and most boycotts, for that matter) are a lot like watching pr0n.

It makes you feel good for a few minutes, but nothing productive comes of it.

179 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sun, Sep 6, 2009 2:54:26pm

re: #13 buzzsawmonkey

I advocate the Sambo Option: staying on top of the palm tree and watching while the tigers chase each other round and round the tree until they turn to butter.

I never really understood that. How long do tigers have to run around trees to turn into butter. My first grade teacher told that story many times.

The more ethnic version.

180 MandyManners  Sun, Sep 6, 2009 2:54:35pm

re: #170 Diego

 
Throw rocks at me if you feel you must, but I like Olbermann :)

/me dons lizard proof undies and smiles :)
 

I'm shocked. Shocked, I say. Who woulda' thunk it?

181 davinvalkri  Sun, Sep 6, 2009 2:54:38pm

re: #160 Occasional Reader

Ah. Online petitions. Those things that libs believe will (for instance) convince the thugs in Khartoum to stop practicing genocide.

I confess to signing one, but that's for some publisher to pick up a Wii game in Japan for localization. Other petitions involve calling for Blizzard to restore LAN play to its upcoming Starcraft sequels and Valve to make good on its claims of new content for the original Left 4 Dead before releasing the new one. None of them have much chance of working, and those are for comparatively trivial things. If you think world leaders will read online petitions for world peace and whatnot and listen to them, I laugh at you.

182 Occasional Reader  Sun, Sep 6, 2009 2:54:50pm

re: #166 Salamantis

For the Love of God, Montresor! For the Love of God!

/whimper!

Poend!

183 SixDegrees  Sun, Sep 6, 2009 2:54:56pm

re: #156 Carvin Guitar Man

You want one of their shows to actually survive this?

Not particularly. But one probably would.

184 Gus  Sun, Sep 6, 2009 2:55:09pm

re: #104 richiep

Hey Olberman; I hope you have a good battle plan because Glen has a lot more troops than you. Considering you ratings KO you need to worry about your next job.

Actually he was number two last Thursday:

8PM – P2+ (25-54) (35-64)
The O’Reilly Factor – 3,068,000 viewers (684,000) (1,216,000)
Campbell Brown – 723,000 viewers (143,000) (246,000)
Countdown w/ K. Olbermann – 1,242,000 viewers (345,000) (586,000)
CNBC Reports– a scratch w/78,000 viewers (a scratch w/ 28,000) (55,000)
Nancy Grace – 744,000 viewers (207,000) (326,000)

His 25-54 year old demographics are double that of O'Reilly's and Glenn Beck's.

185 Irish Rose  Sun, Sep 6, 2009 2:55:17pm

re: #148 SixDegrees

It's an idiot's cage match!

Two morons enter; one moron leaves!

If I had to put my money on one of 'em, it would be Olbermann.
Beck turns into a red-faced, bug-eyed, stuttering spittle-flinging lunatic in the face of criticism.

186 quickjustice  Sun, Sep 6, 2009 2:55:38pm

It reminds me of Matthew Arnold's "Dover Beach": "Where ignorant armies clash by night."

Or maybe of the time Larry Flynt put out a million dollar bounty on the heads of the Republicans in the U.S. Congress for evidence that they had committed adultery in response to the Clinton impeachment effort. He flushed out a few adulteries, IIRC.

This could get ugly. You can always count on Beck and Olberman to hurl the mud in the most offensive way possible.

"There's no point in getting down in the mud and wrestling with a pig. You both get covered in mud, and the pig likes it!"

187 [deleted]  Sun, Sep 6, 2009 2:55:39pm
188 Salamantis  Sun, Sep 6, 2009 2:55:40pm

re: #170 Diego

 
Throw rocks at me if you feel you must, but I like Olbermann :)

/me dons lizard proof undies and smiles :)
 

I must admit that I liked Ben Affleck's parody of him on SNL...;~)

/spot on it was

189 MandyManners  Sun, Sep 6, 2009 2:55:47pm

re: #173 Fenway_Nation

Sometimes they CAIR too much.

I wonder what shit-slinging Hoopie's up to nowadays.

190 SasquatchOnSteroids  Sun, Sep 6, 2009 2:55:47pm

re: #178 Slumbering Behemoth

Online petitions (and most boycotts, for that matter) are a lot like watching pr0n.

It makes you feel good for a few minutes, but nothing productive comes of it.


I signed an online petition against John F***ing Murtha.

He's still there.

Why won't they listen to me ?

//

191 Gus  Sun, Sep 6, 2009 2:56:00pm

re: #184 Gus 802

His 25-54 year old demographics are double that of O'Reilly's and Glenn Beck's.

Scratch that.

192 callahan23  Sun, Sep 6, 2009 2:56:08pm

re: #170 Diego

 
Throw rocks at me if you feel you must, but I like Olbermann :)

/me dons lizard proof undies and smiles :)
 

Watch out Izzy is watching you !

Hattip Racer X, IIRC.

193 Fenway_Nation  Sun, Sep 6, 2009 2:56:14pm

re: #170 Diego


Really? I never would've guessed from your vapid introductory posts about 'taking back America' from Halliburton and Blackwater...

//

194 MandyManners  Sun, Sep 6, 2009 2:56:16pm

re: #174 pre-Boomer Marine brat

It was wonderful!
I'm gonna download it!
MWAH again.

Blasts from the past.

195 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sun, Sep 6, 2009 2:56:30pm

re: #184 Gus 802

Beck is on a 5PM. Eastern. Oberdouche is in prime time.

196 Gus  Sun, Sep 6, 2009 2:57:13pm

re: #195 Cannadian Club Akbar

Beck is on a 5PM. Eastern. Oberdouche is in prime time.

Yep, and opposite O'Reilly who beat all of them.

197 John Neverbend  Sun, Sep 6, 2009 2:57:17pm

re: #165 Carvin Guitar Man

Blecch. I don't want him there either!

I think he'd be more palatable in that role. Actually, I could even see him as John Sterling's replacement on Yankees radio. In honour of Mr. Sterling, to whom I was listening today, I present the following excerpt of his commentary.

"And the count is 1 and 0. You know Mitre never walks batters...{exactly 3 pitches later} and that's ball 4."

198 jayzee  Sun, Sep 6, 2009 2:58:16pm

re: #172 Charles

The person sending the "ass-rape" emails to me is in Israel.

This is disgusting. Charles is one of the staunchest supporters of Israel out there. I wonder what the animal takes issue with, Charles' anti fascist stance, anti racist stance, anti Beck stance? Shame on this piece of dreck.

199 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sun, Sep 6, 2009 2:58:19pm

re: #187 buzzsawmonkey

"Toss rocks, if you must, at this empty head
But I like Keith Olbermann," he said

--"Barbara Frietchie," re-tooled

I'm gonna flag that one.

200 Mr Pancakes  Sun, Sep 6, 2009 2:59:04pm

re: #165 Carvin Guitar Man

Carvin Guitars

Cool... they used to be made in Escondido CA where I spent most of my life...

201 yochanan  Sun, Sep 6, 2009 2:59:16pm

re: #197 John Neverbend

well my fav. baseball team is the chicago white sox my 2ed fav team is anyone playing the evil empire.

202 Salamantis  Sun, Sep 6, 2009 2:59:20pm

The Crassk of Olbermanntilado!

203 SasquatchOnSteroids  Sun, Sep 6, 2009 2:59:26pm

re: #195 Cannadian Club Akbar

Beck is on a 5PM. Eastern. Oberdouche is in prime time.

I don't even get home until 6.
I'm sure that's the case for a lot of people.

204 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sun, Sep 6, 2009 2:59:39pm

re: #187 buzzsawmonkey

"Toss rocks, if you must, at this empty head
But I like Keith Olbermann," he said

--"Barbara Frietchie," re-tooled

*grin*
I instantly remembered the Thurber cartoon!

205 Charles Johnson  Sun, Sep 6, 2009 2:59:40pm

Here's the last email the cretin sent before I disabled the contact form:

Hahahahaha! You can't IP ban me, retard.

I have a dynamic IP which can be changed in a press of a button, and i
will continue giving you undeserved traffic because it's just too funny
to see the back and forth on how Ace rapes your ugly hippie butt.

Sit tight, girl - gonna grab me some popcorn now!

206 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sun, Sep 6, 2009 2:59:46pm

re: #80 Charles

Kerry windsurfing wasn't so bad.

This, on the other hand...

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

Was he pitching or catching?

207 John Neverbend  Sun, Sep 6, 2009 2:59:54pm

re: #179 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I never really understood that. How long do tigers have to run around trees to turn into butter. My first grade teacher told that story many times.

The more ethnic version.

I think it happens as their tangential velocity approaches the speed of light, a lesser known consequence of special relativity as described by the Land O'Lakes transformation.

208 Occasional Reader  Sun, Sep 6, 2009 2:59:55pm

re: #198 jayzee

This is disgusting. Charles is one of the staunchest supporters of Israel out there. I wonder what the animal takes issue with, Charles' anti fascist stance, anti racist stance, anti Beck stance? Shame on this piece of dreck.

Could be a pro-pali Israeli Arab, of course.

209 tradewind  Sun, Sep 6, 2009 2:59:56pm

re: #22 Locker

It is sooo on.
The only thing, you can't really say with any conviction ' let the best man win'.

210 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sun, Sep 6, 2009 3:00:00pm

re: #203 SasquatchOnSteroids

I don't even get home until 6.
I'm sure that's the case for a lot of people.

Exactly.

211 jaunte  Sun, Sep 6, 2009 3:00:08pm

re: #187 buzzsawmonkey

Every day in every way, you're getting Whittier and Whittier.

212 Carvin Guitar Man  Sun, Sep 6, 2009 3:00:26pm

re: #197 John Neverbend

I think he'd be more palatable in that role.

Nope. Somehow, I endured him on NBC's NFL coverage last season. He was the reason I stopped watching the Football Night in America pregame show, because he couldn't help himself from coming off as a moron there either. Even with pure sports, it seeps through.

213 MandyManners  Sun, Sep 6, 2009 3:00:36pm

re: #205 Charles

Here's the last email the cretin sent before I disabled the contact form:

Beyond unhinged.

214 yochanan  Sun, Sep 6, 2009 3:01:01pm

just because i don't like beck doesn't mean i like oberdouch
different crap different day

215 Diego  Sun, Sep 6, 2009 3:01:02pm

re: #203 SasquatchOnSteroids

I don't even get home until 6.
I'm sure that's the case for a lot of people.

What does it say about your demographic when you get the most viewers in a time slot when most people are at work ;)

216 Irish Rose  Sun, Sep 6, 2009 3:01:14pm

re: #205 Charles

Here's the last email the cretin sent before I disabled the contact form:

An Ace registrant.
Figures.

217 MandyManners  Sun, Sep 6, 2009 3:01:21pm

re: #213 MandyManners

Beyond unhinged.

I can see the spit-covered keyboard.

218 tradewind  Sun, Sep 6, 2009 3:01:23pm

re: #206 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Neither. That's the international sign for ' A--hole'.

219 Fenway_Nation  Sun, Sep 6, 2009 3:01:47pm

To hell with Glen Beck- I'm still waiting for my Don Cherry/Keith Olberman deathmatch.

220 Carvin Guitar Man  Sun, Sep 6, 2009 3:01:51pm

re: #200 Mr Pancakes

Carvin Guitars

Cool... they used to be made in Escondido CA where I spent most of my life...

Love 'em.

221 Occasional Reader  Sun, Sep 6, 2009 3:01:52pm

re: #207 John Neverbend

I think it happens as their tangential velocity approaches the speed of light, a lesser known consequence of special relativity as described by the Land O'Lakes transformation.

I think comments like yours should be margarine-alized.

222 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sun, Sep 6, 2009 3:02:01pm

re: #205 Charles

Here's the last email the cretin sent before I disabled the contact form:

"popcorn" is what he calls the thing he's gonna grab?
That's a new metaphor for it!

223 SasquatchOnSteroids  Sun, Sep 6, 2009 3:02:08pm

re: #215 Diego

What does it say about your demographic when you get the most viewers in a time slot when most people are at work ;)

Why don't you tell us.
Because I honestly don't know.

224 jayzee  Sun, Sep 6, 2009 3:02:17pm

re: #208 Occasional Reader

Or somehow a fake IP address I guess. Truth is I hope so. I like to believe we would treat our friends with the respect they deserve-but stupidity knows no religious, racial, national borders.

225 [deleted]  Sun, Sep 6, 2009 3:02:21pm
226 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sun, Sep 6, 2009 3:02:30pm

re: #219 Fenway_Nation

To hell with Glen Beck- I'm still waiting for my Don Cherry/Keith Olberman deathmatch.

Don Cherry would crush his skull.

227 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Sep 6, 2009 3:02:30pm

re: #205 Charles

That email screams "awkward teenage virgin".

228 Gus  Sun, Sep 6, 2009 3:02:32pm

re: #205 Charles

Here's the last email the cretin sent before I disabled the contact form:

I see they've become a stalker site now. "Minx" that is.

229 Silvergirl  Sun, Sep 6, 2009 3:02:35pm

re: #198 jayzee

This is disgusting. Charles is one of the staunchest supporters of Israel out there. I wonder what the animal takes issue with, Charles' anti fascist stance, anti racist stance, anti Beck stance? Shame on this piece of dreck.

Just because the mail comes from Israel? I wouldn't jump to conclusions about who he is or what country he (or she) represents.

230 Carvin Guitar Man  Sun, Sep 6, 2009 3:02:38pm

re: #202 Salamantis

The Crassk of Olbermanntilado!

Now that's funny!

231 Occasional Reader  Sun, Sep 6, 2009 3:02:56pm

Cookout's ready. Bye.

232 John Neverbend  Sun, Sep 6, 2009 3:03:04pm

re: #212 Carvin Guitar Man

Nope. Somehow, I endured him on NBC's NFL coverage last season. He was the reason I stopped watching the Football Night in America pregame show, because he couldn't help himself from coming off as a moron there either. Even with pure sports, it seeps through.

I actually never saw his sports commentary, but I'd be interested to hear how his idiocy seeps through. Did he make a lot of wrong calls a la John Sterling?

233 tradewind  Sun, Sep 6, 2009 3:03:04pm

re: #205 Charles

There's some serious pathology there.

234 Digital Display  Sun, Sep 6, 2009 3:03:15pm

re: #212 Carvin Guitar Man

Nope. Somehow, I endured him on NBC's NFL coverage last season. He was the reason I stopped watching the Football Night in America pregame show, because he couldn't help himself from coming off as a moron there either. Even with pure sports, it seeps through.

He was fired from ESPN years ago...Now that is a fact

235 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sun, Sep 6, 2009 3:03:53pm

re: #234 HoosierHoops

Fired? Thought he went off to make some real money.

236 solomonpanting  Sun, Sep 6, 2009 3:03:53pm

re: #221 Occasional Reader

I think comments like yours should be margarine-alized.

Butter late than neverbend.

237 davinvalkri  Sun, Sep 6, 2009 3:04:02pm

re: #205 Charles

Here's the last email the cretin sent before I disabled the contact form:

Maybe you shouldn't ban him; he looks like he could be a source of much unintentional humor.

238 Fenway_Nation  Sun, Sep 6, 2009 3:04:04pm

re: #226 Cannadian Club Akbar


He'd crush it like grapes...

239 quickjustice  Sun, Sep 6, 2009 3:04:10pm

re: #80 Charles

I saw Bill and Hillary Clinton live and in person last night as part of the audience at an outdoor performance of Shakespeare's "Pericles". They were in a good mood. They should be. At the rate Obama and the GOP are going, she'll be the next President of the United States!

240 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sun, Sep 6, 2009 3:04:31pm

re: #211 jaunte

Every day in every way, you're getting Whittier and Whittier.

If we wanted to be Thoreau, we could have 'im Walden down in the basement.

/poe Buzz !

241 Wendya  Sun, Sep 6, 2009 3:04:49pm

re: #75 Last Mohican

This whole "dueling freakshows" thing could get really ugly, really quickly.


Thank God I don't have cable or satellite.

The first time I saw an Olbermann clip, I thought it was a parody.

242 SixDegrees  Sun, Sep 6, 2009 3:04:52pm

re: #203 SasquatchOnSteroids

I don't even get home until 6.
I'm sure that's the case for a lot of people.

As I've pointed out in the past, Beck draws a lot of liberal viewers, who tune in because he's a sideshow freak.

Given these numbers, I'd put money on a lot of them being college students.

243 Wendya  Sun, Sep 6, 2009 3:06:11pm

re: #184 Gus 802

His 25-54 year old demographics are double that of O'Reilly's and Glenn Beck's.

That is frightening.

244 Digital Display  Sun, Sep 6, 2009 3:06:13pm

re: #235 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Fired? Thought he went off to make some real money.

Not only fired..But it was ugly for the network...Big time split..
I suppose I could link to it..But hell..Keith isn't worth the read

245 Gus  Sun, Sep 6, 2009 3:06:40pm

re: #243 Wendya

That is frightening.

No, I was wrong on that actually.

Woops.

246 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sun, Sep 6, 2009 3:06:42pm

re: #225 buzzsawmonkey

BTW, there's a little "Dry Bones" action a few threads back in the economic discussion.

Well I'll be! ... LOL ... Just up-dinged it.

247 MittDoesNotCompute  Sun, Sep 6, 2009 3:07:46pm

re: #170 Diego

 
Throw rocks at me if you feel you must, but I like Olbermann :)

/me dons lizard proof undies and smiles :)
 

So, how does it feel to be a fan of the media equivalent of a monkey that flings poo at people?

/don't even get me started on Beck...

248 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Sep 6, 2009 3:07:47pm

re: #242 SixDegrees

Given these numbers, I'd put money on a lot of them being college students.

I'm sure there is some sort of drinking game based on Beck's show.

One shot for "quivering lip"
Two shots for "weeping"
Swig off the beer for "czars"

249 Carvin Guitar Man  Sun, Sep 6, 2009 3:07:51pm

re: #232 John Neverbend

I actually never saw his sports commentary, but I'd be interested to hear how his idiocy seeps through. Did he make a lot of wrong calls a la John Sterling?

Nah, just general articulate incompetence. I can't describe it, you have to see him in action. Every time I watched that show, I wondered what Dan Patrick and Bob Costas were thinking.

250 Salamantis  Sun, Sep 6, 2009 3:07:53pm

re: #242 SixDegrees

As I've pointed out in the past, Beck draws a lot of liberal viewers, who tune in because he's a sideshow freak.

Given these numbers, I'd put money on a lot of them being college students.

They're what the hardcore train wreck addicts tune into when Colbert doesn't give them that vein surge any more.

251 SasquatchOnSteroids  Sun, Sep 6, 2009 3:08:01pm

re: #242 SixDegrees

As I've pointed out in the past, Beck draws a lot of liberal viewers, who tune in because he's a sideshow freak.

Given these numbers, I'd put money on a lot of them being college students.

I honestly have no idea or real interest in breaking down his numbers.
Don't watch it.

252 quickjustice  Sun, Sep 6, 2009 3:08:53pm

re: #243 Wendya

It makes no sense to go after someone who has less to lose than you. With rating double those of Olbermann, I think Beck is genuinely crazy to start this kind of fight.

253 Sheila Broflovski  Sun, Sep 6, 2009 3:09:05pm

re: #205 Charles

Here's the last email the cretin sent before I disabled the contact form:

I am sorry that you have to deal with these assholes.

254 tradewind  Sun, Sep 6, 2009 3:09:11pm

re: #45 Shiplord Kirel

Actually, Al Gore started the whole Willie Horton flap, a fact conveniently forgotten and revised by the media.

255 davinvalkri  Sun, Sep 6, 2009 3:09:57pm

re: #248 Slumbering Behemoth

I'm sure there is some sort of drinking game based on Beck's show.

One shot for "quivering lip"
Two shots for "weeping"
Swig off the beer for "czars"

Sounds like something my dorm would do on both Beck and Olbermann. But for the Olby guy...

One shot for losing his temper
Two for his "worst person" schtick making no sense...
Drink a keg on your own if/when he's removed?

256 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sun, Sep 6, 2009 3:10:33pm

re: #252 quickjustice

I don't think Beck started the fight with Oberdouche. I think it is the other way around.

257 Charles Johnson  Sun, Sep 6, 2009 3:10:47pm

re: #254 tradewind

Actually, Al Gore started the whole Willie Horton flap, a fact conveniently forgotten and revised by the media.

Uh, not really.

[Link: www.slate.com...]

258 Wendya  Sun, Sep 6, 2009 3:11:11pm

re: #252 quickjustice

It makes no sense to go after someone who has less to lose than you. With rating double those of Olbermann, I think Beck is genuinely crazy to start this kind of fight.

Olbermann isn't going to "hurt" Beck any more than Beck is going to "hurt" Olbermann.

259 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sun, Sep 6, 2009 3:11:39pm

re: #194 MandyManners

Blasts from the past.

Here's another one we had on 78
Burl Ives ... BRCM

260 Fenway_Nation  Sun, Sep 6, 2009 3:12:17pm

re: #254 tradewind

Actually, Al Gore started the whole Willie Horton flap, a fact conveniently forgotten and revised by the media.

He invented the internet just to spread that rumor...

261 tradewind  Sun, Sep 6, 2009 3:12:56pm

Olbie trails so badly no wonder he's throwing anything he can against the wall to see what'll stick. He's MSNBC's highest rated host, and he is still hundreds below the lowest rated FNC host.
[Link: www.mediabistro.com...]

262 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sun, Sep 6, 2009 3:13:14pm

re: #259 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Anyone who doesn't love Burl Ives hates Christmas, IMO.
/

263 Achilles Tang  Sun, Sep 6, 2009 3:13:42pm

Sigh, they are all children...nasty ones.

264 Salamantis  Sun, Sep 6, 2009 3:13:47pm

re: #258 Wendya

Olbermann isn't going to "hurt" Beck any more than Beck is going to "hurt" Olbermann.

Yeah; each of them just draw more people to his respective army from the ranks of those who despise the other one. And then they don't actually go to war and thin those ranks out a la Braveheart; they just sit on facing media hillocks and wag their asses at each other.

265 MittDoesNotCompute  Sun, Sep 6, 2009 3:14:04pm

re: #249 Carvin Guitar Man

Nah, just general articulate incompetence. I can't describe it, you have to see him in action. Every time I watched that show, I wondered what Dan Patrick and Bob Costas were thinking.

Probably, "Man, this dipshit makes us look really good by comparison!"

///

266 Carvin Guitar Man  Sun, Sep 6, 2009 3:14:33pm

re: #265 talon_262

Probably, "Man, this dipshit makes us look really good by comparison!"

///


Heh.

267 quickjustice  Sun, Sep 6, 2009 3:14:47pm

re: #256 Cannadian Club Akbar

Now THAT would make sense! It's the underdog who wants the confrontation!

268 tradewind  Sun, Sep 6, 2009 3:15:29pm

re: #257 Charles
Respectfully, your source is Slate, fine... I am using Bill Bradley's opinion, from Jeff Jacoby's column.
[Link: graphics.boston.com...]

269 [deleted]  Sun, Sep 6, 2009 3:15:38pm
270 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sun, Sep 6, 2009 3:16:25pm

The Weavers: Good Night, Irene

(there's a link to Leadbelly's version in the lower-right window)

271 Diego  Sun, Sep 6, 2009 3:16:55pm

Fox News viewers overwhelmingly misinformed about health care reform proposals.

Last night, NBC News and the Wall Street Journal released a poll showing that “all the misinformation out there” about health care reform proposals in Congress is taking root with many Americans. For instance, 45 percent believe the false claim that legislation includes “death panels” while 55 percent believe the false claim that coverage will be extended to illegal immigrants. MSNBC’s First Read notes that self-identified viewers of Fox News are disproportionately misinformed:

Here’s another way to look at the misinformation: In our poll, 72% of self-identified FOX News viewers believe the health-care plan will give coverage to illegal immigrants, 79% of them say it will lead to a government takeover, 69% think that it will use taxpayer dollars to pay for abortions, and 75% believe that it will allow the government to make decisions about when to stop providing care for the elderly. But it would be incorrect to suggest that this is ONLY coming from conservative viewers who tune in to FOX. In fact, 41% of CNN/MSNBC viewers believe the misinformation about illegal immigrants, 39% believe the government takeover stuff, 40% believe the abortion misperception, and 30% believe the stuff about pulling the plug on grandma. What’s more, a good chunk of folks who get their news from broadcast TV (NBC, ABC, CBS) believe these things, too. This is about credible messengers using the media to get some of this misinformation out there, not as much about the filter itself. These numbers should worry Democratic operatives, as well as the news media that have been covering this story.

As ThinkProgress has pointed out, Fox News regularly distorts the truth about health care reform. Last week, Media Matters found that over a two day period opponents of health care reform outnumbered supporters by a 6-to-1 margin on Fox.

[Link: thinkprogress.org...]

272 Charles Johnson  Sun, Sep 6, 2009 3:17:35pm

re: #268 tradewind

Respectfully, your source is Slate, fine... I am using Bill Bradley's opinion, from Jeff Jacoby's column.
[Link: graphics.boston.com...]

The Slate article makes it really clear that Gore may have mentioned Willie Horton first, but it was not part of an attempt to inject race into the campaign.

That distinction belongs to the GOP.

273 Sharmuta  Sun, Sep 6, 2009 3:17:47pm

re: #205 Charles

I'm so sorry you have to put up with such depravity.

274 tradewind  Sun, Sep 6, 2009 3:18:07pm

re: #271 Diego

Obama is misinformed about the health care bill... he admitted as much, a month or so ago.
So what else is new? No one knows exactly what's in it, because it's totally open ended.

275 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sun, Sep 6, 2009 3:18:17pm

re: #271 Diego

Not a fan of anything that has "progress" in its name.

276 Sheila Broflovski  Sun, Sep 6, 2009 3:18:26pm

I am a quivering nervous wreck. I have to finish packing for my son's wedding.
Gown. check.
Shoes. check.
French Wig. check.
Jewelry. check.
Underwear. check (still got stuff in the dryer)
PJ's. check (still got stuff in the dryer)
Cosmetics, toiletries. check.
Boarding pass. check.
What did I leave out?
What can I expect from TSA when I'm in a wheelchair and wearing a cast on my foot?

277 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sun, Sep 6, 2009 3:18:36pm

re: #269 buzzsawmonkey

Wonderful !

278 Fenway_Nation  Sun, Sep 6, 2009 3:18:53pm

re: #271 Diego

Wow...a Thinkprogress link.

Well...I'm convinced.

279 looking closely  Sun, Sep 6, 2009 3:18:54pm

Olbermann : Beck = Pot : kettle.

F both of them.

280 Diego  Sun, Sep 6, 2009 3:19:00pm

re: #275 Cannadian Club Akbar

lol what? You don't like 'progress'? :P

281 DrNaughty  Sun, Sep 6, 2009 3:19:06pm

re: #271 Diego

Fox News viewers overwhelmingly misinformed about health care reform proposals.

Last night, NBC News and the Wall Street Journal released a poll showing that “all the misinformation out there” about health care reform proposals in Congress is taking root with many Americans. For instance, 45 percent believe the false claim that legislation includes “death panels” while 55 percent believe the false claim that coverage will be extended to illegal immigrants. MSNBC’s First Read notes that self-identified viewers of Fox News are disproportionately misinformed:

(Deleted much for brevity)

[Link: thinkprogress.org...]

I'm certainly glad to know that spending all this money on "health reform" is going to increase the quality of care for every Amerian
(/sac off)

282 SasquatchOnSteroids  Sun, Sep 6, 2009 3:19:49pm

re: #271 Diego

MSNBC’s First Read notes that self-identified viewers of Fox News are disproportionately misinformed

Yikes !
I'm convinced !!

283 MandyManners  Sun, Sep 6, 2009 3:19:50pm

re: #276 Alouette

I am a quivering nervous wreck. I have to finish packing for my son's wedding.
Gown. check.
Shoes. check.
French Wig. check.
Jewelry. check.
Underwear. check (still got stuff in the dryer)
PJ's. check (still got stuff in the dryer)
Cosmetics, toiletries. check.
Boarding pass. check.
What did I leave out?
What can I expect from TSA when I'm in a wheelchair and wearing a cast on my foot?

I hope nothing more than the usual check!

284 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sun, Sep 6, 2009 3:20:01pm

re: #280 Diego

lol what? You don't like 'progress'? :P

Not in a PAC or insurance.:)

285 callahan23  Sun, Sep 6, 2009 3:20:11pm

re: #259 pre-Boomer Marine brat
Thanks
re: #269 buzzsawmonkey
Wow, thanks. Again!

286 RexMundi  Sun, Sep 6, 2009 3:20:14pm

Olbermann vs. Beck? I hope for a double knock-out!

287 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sun, Sep 6, 2009 3:20:46pm

re: #276 Alouette

Full Body Cavity search. If it is inevitable?...

288 Charles Johnson  Sun, Sep 6, 2009 3:20:48pm

re: #282 SasquatchOnSteroids

Yikes !
I'm convinced !!

You may not be convinced by ThinkProgress, but it's absolutely true that Fox News is putting out a blizzard of misinformation about the health care bill.

289 Diego  Sun, Sep 6, 2009 3:20:53pm

re: #281 DrNaughty

I'm certainly glad to know that spending all this money on "health reform" is going to increase the quality of care for every Amerian

Lets see, cost of health care - $100b a year
Cost of Iraq & Afghanistan - $240b a year

Where do I think the money is best spent..hmm..

290 tradewind  Sun, Sep 6, 2009 3:21:02pm

re: #272 Charles
Okay, I guess I took this from Jacoby out of context. Sorry.

So when Bradley drapes Wilie Horton around Gore's neck, we know what he is hinting: that the vice president is not above exploiting race in order to win votes.

As it happens, this is true. Gore's capacity for shamelessness on racial issues is immense.

291 Silvergirl  Sun, Sep 6, 2009 3:21:10pm

re: #286 RexMundi

Olbermann vs. Beck? I hope for a double knock-out!

If Olbermann doesn't bite off Beck's ear first.

292 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sun, Sep 6, 2009 3:21:35pm

re: #289 Diego

Lets see, cost of health care - $100b a year
Cost of Iraq & Afghanistan - $240b a year

Where do I think the money is best spent..hmm..

Snowcones.
/

293 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sun, Sep 6, 2009 3:21:49pm

re: #285 callahan23

Thanks
re: #269 buzzsawmonkey
Wow, thanks. Again!

BTW, there's a video of Marlene Dietrich's Lili Marlene in German out there.
Have you seen it?

294 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sun, Sep 6, 2009 3:22:02pm

re: #286 RexMundi

Olbermann vs. Beck? I hope for a double knock-out!

enjoy

295 DrNaughty  Sun, Sep 6, 2009 3:22:11pm

re: #289 Diego

Lets see, cost of health care - $100b a year
Cost of Iraq & Afghanistan - $240b a year

Where do I think the money is best spent..hmm..

Obama is sending more troops to Afghanistan by the way...

296 FamHistoryGuy  Sun, Sep 6, 2009 3:22:29pm

re: #142 Charles

FBI notification time?

297 quickjustice  Sun, Sep 6, 2009 3:22:30pm

re: #271 Diego

Depending on which version of the health care "reform" proposals you choose to select, the story is accurate-- or not. There's definitely "misinformation" out there, but there's also no "norm" yet-- no single version of the proposed legislation to analyze. That's why, under Obama's mismanagement and lack of leadership, we have a shell game going on with the different versions of the legislation.

298 Silvergirl  Sun, Sep 6, 2009 3:23:15pm

re: #293 pre-Boomer Marine brat

BTW, there's a video of Marlene Dietrich's Lili Marlene in German out there.
Have you seen it?

Let's have it.

299 Charles Johnson  Sun, Sep 6, 2009 3:23:24pm

re: #296 FamHistoryGuy

FBI notification time?

He's in Israel. And in any case, calling the FBI for something like that is a complete waste of time.

300 SasquatchOnSteroids  Sun, Sep 6, 2009 3:23:56pm

re: #288 Charles

You may not be convinced by ThinkProgress, but it's absolutely true that Fox News is putting out a blizzard of misinformation about the health care bill.

There's misinformation everywhere.
That's why I don't watch hardly any news on TV anymore.

But :

MSNBC’s First Read notes that self-identified viewers of Fox News are disproportionately misinformed

Well, duh.

301 Gus  Sun, Sep 6, 2009 3:24:14pm

re: #272 Charles

The Slate article makes it really clear that Gore may have mentioned Willie Horton first, but it was not part of an attempt to inject race into the campaign.

That distinction belongs to the GOP.

Right it was Roger Aisles, Lee Atwater, et al that were behind the ad campaign:

Republicans would pick up the Horton issue after Dukakis clinched the nomination. In June 1988, Republican candidate George H.W. Bush seized on the Horton case, bringing it up repeatedly in campaign speeches. Bush's campaign manager, Lee Atwater, predicted that "by the time this election is over, Willie Horton will be a household name." Media consultant Roger Ailes remarked "the only question is whether we depict Willie Horton with a knife in his hand or without it.">Republicans would pick up the Horton issue after Dukakis clinched the nomination. In June 1988, Republican candidate George H.W. Bush seized on the Horton case, bringing it up repeatedly in campaign speeches. Bush's campaign manager, Lee Atwater, predicted that "by the time this election is over, Willie Horton will be a household name." Media consultant Roger Ailes remarked "the only question is whether we depict Willie Horton with a knife in his hand or without it.

Roger Aisles mentioned in this NY Times article:

Campaign Trail; A Beloved Mug Shot For the Bush Forces

Governor Dukakis has been portrayed by Mr. Bush as soft on crime. (Mr. Ailes, who has been known to go for the jugular, has said, ''The only question is whether we depict Willie Horton with a knife in his hand or without it.'') And Mr. Goodin said: ''I found myself talking about this guy every day. Reporters calling with questions. I said I wonder what he looks like. Somebody gave me this mug shot.'' Perhaps there's another motive for pinning up the mug shot.

302 Diego  Sun, Sep 6, 2009 3:24:30pm

re: #297 quickjustice

So lets get it straight: it was wrong for Clinton to come up with is plan and present it to Congress and now it's wrong for Obama to tell Congress what he'd like to see it include and let them work out the details.

So that leaves 'wrong to do anything at all'??

303 Fenway_Nation  Sun, Sep 6, 2009 3:24:41pm

re: #289 Diego

Lets see, cost of health care - $100b a year
Cost of Iraq & Afghanistan - $240b a year

Where do I think the money is best spent..hmm..

But wasn't Afghanistan the 'good' war?

304 Wendya  Sun, Sep 6, 2009 3:24:51pm

re: #271 Diego

55 percent believe the false claim that coverage will be extended to illegal immigrants.

Actually, it will.

Illegals will still be treated without insurance and there is no verification of citizenship or legal status if they choose to purchase insurance. The main difference will be they won't be penalized for not purchasing insurance like citizens and legal residents.

305 MandyManners  Sun, Sep 6, 2009 3:25:07pm

re: #301 Gus 802

Will Keith bring up Ailes involvement?

306 Wendya  Sun, Sep 6, 2009 3:25:33pm

re: #289 Diego

Where do I think the money is best spent..hmm..

How about in the hands of the people who earned it?

307 quickjustice  Sun, Sep 6, 2009 3:25:46pm

re: #302 Diego

Don't put words in my mouth, sport.

308 DrNaughty  Sun, Sep 6, 2009 3:25:50pm

re: #304 Wendya

Actually, it will.

Illegals will still be treated without insurance and there is no verification of citizenship or legal status if they choose to purchase insurance. The main difference will be they won't be penalized for not purchasing insurance like citizens and legal residents.

Why won't we deport the illegals when they claim their benifit?

309 Diego  Sun, Sep 6, 2009 3:25:53pm

re: #304 Wendya

Actually, it will.

Illegals will still be treated without insurance and there is no verification of citizenship or legal status if they choose to purchase insurance. The main difference will be they won't be penalized for not purchasing insurance like citizens and legal residents.


Sounds like a damned if you do and damn if you don't. What would you suggest?

310 Gus  Sun, Sep 6, 2009 3:25:56pm

re: #305 MandyManners

Will Keith bring up Ailes involvement?

I imagine he would. That's why I said it could get messy earlier.

311 Sharmuta  Sun, Sep 6, 2009 3:25:58pm

re: #276 Alouette

I always write a list for trips so I don't forget something. I still always forget something anyways, but the list keeps it to a minimum.

312 MandyManners  Sun, Sep 6, 2009 3:25:59pm

'

313 callahan23  Sun, Sep 6, 2009 3:26:16pm

re: #293 pre-Boomer Marine brat

BTW, there's a video of Marlene Dietrich's Lili Marlene in German out there.
Have you seen it?

Nope, I'd rather have it in English. Kudos to her for not coming back to Germany.

314 MandyManners  Sun, Sep 6, 2009 3:26:32pm

re: #306 Wendya

How about in the hands of the people who earned it?

You capitalist fiend, you.

315 Diego  Sun, Sep 6, 2009 3:26:33pm

re: #307 quickjustice

Don't put words in my mouth, sport.

I didn't, chief

316 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sun, Sep 6, 2009 3:26:37pm

re: #312 MandyManners

Really?

317 [deleted]  Sun, Sep 6, 2009 3:26:46pm
318 MandyManners  Sun, Sep 6, 2009 3:27:28pm

re: #310 Gus 802

I imagine he would. That's why I said it could get messy earlier.

Don't people already know a lot of this stuff about Ailes?

319 Fenway_Nation  Sun, Sep 6, 2009 3:27:46pm

re: #302 Diego

Riiight...since that stimulus they passed is doing such a bang-up job of preventing unemployment numbers from going over 8% so far, let's let this same brain trust re-write our healthcare and insurance regulations. What could possibly go wrong?

320 MandyManners  Sun, Sep 6, 2009 3:27:55pm

re: #316 Cannadian Club Akbar

Really?

Absolutely.

321 Diego  Sun, Sep 6, 2009 3:28:15pm

re: #317 buzzsawmonkey

No, they will not get to join the public option, which isn't 'free' to the members any more than any other insurance program. The hospitals can't turn them away, but then they can't now either.

Illegal aliens are not 'covered' by the proposals at all.

322 Gus  Sun, Sep 6, 2009 3:28:18pm

re: #318 MandyManners

Don't people already know a lot of this stuff about Ailes?

Probably not. I didn't know about it until I read this post.

323 tradewind  Sun, Sep 6, 2009 3:28:22pm

re: #276 Alouette

They'll wand your cast and hopefully, you will be treated respectfully and get to cut in line. If you have metal pins in a break, it is a good idea to have a note from your dr, in case there is a not-so-bright TSA person or broken machine.
Do NOT pack anything thing in checked luggage that you absolutely need at your destination, because unfortunately, you can not be sure it will be there. In general, TSA is much more relaxed than they have been in the past re liquids, gels, and that damn plastic envelope. But don't count on it, have it handy in case. Security may be tighter this weekend (and all week) due to 9-11 anniversary issues , depending on the airport.
Try to pick up as many toiletries, etc, at your destination as you can. If you have your own wheelchair, make sure they put it on board at the last minute... if not, make sure the airline calls ahead to meet you with one.
Congratulations... have fun. I'm flying to a wedding this week as well.

324 MandyManners  Sun, Sep 6, 2009 3:29:02pm

re: #322 Gus 802

Probably not. I didn't know about it until I read this post.

Man, I feel old.

325 Wendya  Sun, Sep 6, 2009 3:29:52pm

re: #321 Diego

No, they will not get to join the public option, which isn't 'free' to the members any more than any other insurance program. The hospitals can't turn them away, but then they can't now either.

Illegal aliens are not 'covered' by the proposals at all.

Can you show me the provision in any of the health care proposals that require people to show proof of citizenship or legal residence status?

Nope, not there.

326 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sun, Sep 6, 2009 3:30:01pm

re: #324 MandyManners

Man, I feel old.

( joke self deleted )

327 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sun, Sep 6, 2009 3:30:17pm

re: #298 Silvergirl

Let's have it.

Just a sec & I'll find it.
(been out, ... listening to Earl Scruggs)

328 [deleted]  Sun, Sep 6, 2009 3:30:23pm
329 DrNaughty  Sun, Sep 6, 2009 3:30:34pm

re: #325 Wendya

Can you show me the provision in any of the health care proposals that require people to show proof of citizenship or legal residence status?

Nope, not there.

They don't even need to do that to vote...

330 Gus  Sun, Sep 6, 2009 3:30:40pm

re: #324 MandyManners

Man, I feel old.

I remember Willie Horton, the campaign, Bush I, Dukakis and all that. At the time I didn't even pay much attention to the Willie Horton ad since I wasn't watching much TV at the time.

331 Irish Rose  Sun, Sep 6, 2009 3:30:46pm

re: #205 Charles

Here's the last email the cretin sent before I disabled the contact form:

An Ace registrant.
Figures.

332 callahan23  Sun, Sep 6, 2009 3:31:29pm

re: #324 MandyManners

Man, I feel old.

No Mandy: ♪♫ You are young as a hatchling ! ♫♪

333 [deleted]  Sun, Sep 6, 2009 3:31:31pm
334 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sun, Sep 6, 2009 3:32:10pm

re: #330 Gus 802

I think that was when Horton Heard a Who.
/

335 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sun, Sep 6, 2009 3:32:13pm

re: #298 Silvergirl

Let's have it.

Enjoy!

/the is (still) only ONE "Dietrich" !

336 pianobuff  Sun, Sep 6, 2009 3:32:14pm

re: #330 Gus 802

I remember Willie Horton, the campaign, Bush I, Dukakis and all that. At the time I didn't even pay much attention to the Willie Horton ad since I wasn't watching much TV at the time.

I don't even own a TV set now. Life's much better.

337 DrNaughty  Sun, Sep 6, 2009 3:32:19pm

re: #330 Gus 802

I remember Willie Horton, the campaign, Bush I, Dukakis and all that. At the time I didn't even pay much attention to the Willie Horton ad since I wasn't watching much TV at the time.

The Willie Horton ad didn't matter as much as the image of Dukaukas in the tank did and that Kitty was a lush...

338 Diego  Sun, Sep 6, 2009 3:32:44pm

re: #325 Wendya

But the point is that people are being told that, under the proposals, illegal aliens will get 'free' health care. That is not in any of the proposals.

And to answer you: how does an illegal alien get on the tax rolls? You can't join the public option, even though you pay for it, without being on the tax rolls. ie: nothing to do with health care, everything to do with catching people with fake SS numbers and work permits.

339 Gus  Sun, Sep 6, 2009 3:33:02pm

Regarding the undocumented aliens and HR 3200 here's the wording:

SEC. 246. NO FEDERAL PAYMENT FOR UNDOCUMENTED ALIENS.

Nothing in this subtitle shall allow Federal payments for affordability credits on behalf of individuals who are not lawfully present in the United States.

Page 143

PDF [Link: energycommerce.house.gov...]

340 Wendya  Sun, Sep 6, 2009 3:33:13pm

re: #328 buzzsawmonkey

Then how will their emergency care be paid for? It is my understanding that currently much of this is paid for by public funds. If that continues, and much more of people's health care is going to be paid for by public funds under "reform," how are illegals "not being covered?"

The left believes that because they didn't insert any provisions stating Illegal aliens will be incorporated into the system they can claim they are not included as the "truth".

341 quickjustice  Sun, Sep 6, 2009 3:33:19pm

re: #302 Diego

To refresh your defective memory, I will remind you that Hillary Clinton assembled a health care task force that put together her health care "plan" in secret at Jackson Hole, Wyoming in violation of federal law. Her "plan" was more than 1000 pages long. Adversaries pounced on it, but no one can accuse Hillary of hiding the eventual proposal. What you CAN accuse Hillary of is excluding physicians from the task force, because she thought that doctors were the reason costs were skyrocketing.

Two defective strategies. President Obama left it to Congress to come up with different versions of health care reform, while he campaigned for them all. He should have told Congress and the American people the principles the legislation had to embody in very simple language, and he should have told the American people the truth. You can't cut health care costs without shrinking the programs or rationing.

342 MandyManners  Sun, Sep 6, 2009 3:33:33pm

*smoochies all around*

343 pianobuff  Sun, Sep 6, 2009 3:34:01pm

re: #337 DrNaughty

The Willie Horton ad didn't matter as much as the image of Dukaukas in the tank did and that Kitty was a lush...

My biggest memories from that election are the tank footage and the Bentsen/Quayle "Kennedy" moment.

344 Gus  Sun, Sep 6, 2009 3:34:18pm

re: #339 Gus 802

And this on page 170:

(2) NONRESIDENT ALIENS.—Subsection (a)

shall not apply to any individual who is a non resident alien.

345 Sharmuta  Sun, Sep 6, 2009 3:34:19pm

re: #1 Killgore Trout

Maybe we'll find out the exact nature of his relationship with the Birch Society.

I haven't bothered to search beck and the birch society together before- there's thousands of hits. Like this one:

On his CNN Headline News show last night, Glenn Beck hosted Sam Antonio, a national spokesperson for the John Birch Society, to discuss various “conspiracy theories” about immigration and border security, including the idea that “the Mexican government” has “a hold on our enforcement of laws here in America.” Beck told Antonio that he used to think the Society members were “a bunch of nuts,” but that they are now “starting to make more and more sense” to him.

[Link: thinkprogress.org...]

346 Diego  Sun, Sep 6, 2009 3:34:42pm

re: #342 MandyManners

Hiya Mandy :)

347 DrNaughty  Sun, Sep 6, 2009 3:34:46pm

re: #343 pianobuff

My biggest memories from that election are the tank footage and the Bentsen/Quayle "Kennedy" moment.

That was probably the most memorable part of the campaign

348 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sun, Sep 6, 2009 3:34:58pm

re: #343 pianobuff

My biggest memories from that election are the tank footage and the Bentsen/Quayle "Kennedy" moment.

And Reagan making fun of Mondale's age.

349 Digital Display  Sun, Sep 6, 2009 3:35:26pm

re: #342 MandyManners

*smoochies all around*

{mandy}
You have a good heart...
Lizards are lucky to meet you

350 Gus  Sun, Sep 6, 2009 3:35:30pm

re: #337 DrNaughty

The Willie Horton ad didn't matter as much as the image of Dukaukas in the tank did and that Kitty was a lush...

Yeah, Dukakis was a weak candidate all around.

351 pianobuff  Sun, Sep 6, 2009 3:35:51pm

re: #348 Cannadian Club Akbar

And Reagan making fun of Mondale's age.

84 or 88?

352 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sun, Sep 6, 2009 3:35:57pm

re: #348 Cannadian Club Akbar

Oopps!!

353 [deleted]  Sun, Sep 6, 2009 3:36:02pm
354 jaunte  Sun, Sep 6, 2009 3:36:07pm

re: #344 Gus 802

And this on page 170:

Is there any mechanism built in for determining an individual's immigration status?

355 tradewind  Sun, Sep 6, 2009 3:36:20pm

re: #299 Charles

The only consolation is that maybe the moron is projecting his sicko fantasy online through you instead of taking it out for real on some poor person.
Sometimes when I read a rant that is totally out of control, I wonder if it isn't a safety valve for a deranged nutcase.

356 [deleted]  Sun, Sep 6, 2009 3:36:20pm
357 freetoken  Sun, Sep 6, 2009 3:37:25pm

re: #345 Sharmuta

We've brought up Sam Antonio here before, wrt Beck, I believe.

Beck is a disciple of Skousen, one of the original JBS sympathizers who did not technically join JBS on religious grounds (Skousen was a Mormon.)

358 [deleted]  Sun, Sep 6, 2009 3:37:43pm
359 theheat  Sun, Sep 6, 2009 3:37:44pm

There's a font called Carnival Freakshow. Just saying.

I can't believe politics have come to this. Really, after Bush I can, but the effect has snowballed.

It's a gd freak show. Loudmouth creeps critiquing other loudmouth creeps, and everyone is batshit nuts. I mean, who do you even want to put money on in a horse race of crazies?

Nobody wins.

360 Gus  Sun, Sep 6, 2009 3:37:53pm

re: #354 jaunte

Is there any mechanism built in for determining an individual's immigration status?

None that I saw. I imagine whatever the standard legal definition that can be found with Immigration and Naturalization.

361 tradewind  Sun, Sep 6, 2009 3:38:03pm

re: #350 Gus 802

I think the moment that sank him was when he hemmed and hawed about what he'd do if his wife were raped and murdered.

362 DrNaughty  Sun, Sep 6, 2009 3:38:30pm

re: #350 Gus 802

Yeah, Dukakis was a weak candidate all around.

I had the opportunity to meet Gov Dukaukus years later. He spent a year as a visiting professor at my alma mater, USC (University of South Carolina). Went to one of his seminars and I was very impressed with the man and his knowledge. Can't agree with him politically, but he seems to be a very fine man.

363 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sun, Sep 6, 2009 3:39:22pm

re: #313 callahan23

Nope, I'd rather have it in English. Kudos to her for not coming back to Germany.

Here's and interesting version, live, and apparently from 1972.
Her voice isn't what it once was, but the video is photos of her during WWII.
A nice tribute, IMHO.

364 Gus  Sun, Sep 6, 2009 3:39:47pm

re: #361 tradewind

I think the moment that sank him was when he hemmed and hawed about what he'd do if his wife were raped and murdered.

That sounds familiar.

365 Neo_  Sun, Sep 6, 2009 3:39:53pm


Star Trek: The Wrath of Khan (1982)


Kirk: Still, "old friend!" You've managed to kill everyone else, but like a poor marksman, you keep missing the target!


366 DrNaughty  Sun, Sep 6, 2009 3:40:14pm

re: #361 tradewind

I think the moment that sank him was when he hemmed and hawed about what he'd do if his wife were raped and murdered.

The moment when political philosophy clashes with reality.

367 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sun, Sep 6, 2009 3:40:15pm

re: #351 pianobuff

84 or 88?

Nah. He was in his 70's.

368 tradewind  Sun, Sep 6, 2009 3:40:25pm

re: #359 theheat

Really, after Bush I can, but the effect has snowballed.


Oh yeah, the Carter and Clinton years were heaven on earth. If only Dubya hadn't ruined it for the rest of us...
///

369 jaunte  Sun, Sep 6, 2009 3:40:29pm

re: #358 MikeySDCA

That's really tricky in the real world in real time.

re: #360 Gus 802

None that I saw. I imagine whatever the standard legal definition that can be found with Immigration and Naturalization.

Living in a "sanctuary" city, I see a lot of people who have moved here illegally. What will likely happen is that they will be covered by this program, too, because it's too hard for Immigration to enforce the law.

370 MandyManners  Sun, Sep 6, 2009 3:40:35pm

The Sound of Music is on ABCFamily tonight!

371 Sharmuta  Sun, Sep 6, 2009 3:40:36pm

re: #357 freetoken

We've brought up Sam Antonio here before, wrt Beck, I believe.

Beck is a disciple of Skousen, one of the original JBS sympathizers who did not technically join JBS on religious grounds (Skousen was a Mormon.)

I'm sure I'll find stuff that other already know, but I've never thought about researching the guy myself.

I don't know if ties to Birchers would damage Beck- I wonder if folks even really have an idea of what the issue is with JBS as it is.

372 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sun, Sep 6, 2009 3:40:50pm

re: #364 Gus 802

That sounds familiar.

It was a death penalty question.

373 Wendya  Sun, Sep 6, 2009 3:41:06pm

re: #339 Gus 802

Regarding the undocumented aliens and HR 3200 here's the wording:

Page 143

PDF [Link: energycommerce.house.gov...]

That deals with affordability credits and there is no provisions for citizenship verification.

374 Sharmuta  Sun, Sep 6, 2009 3:41:16pm

re: #365 Neo_

Huh?

375 MandyManners  Sun, Sep 6, 2009 3:41:26pm

re: #369 jaunte

Living in a "sanctuary" city, I see a lot of people who have moved here illegally. What will likely happen is that they will be covered by this program, too, because it's too hard for Immigration to enforce the law.

No ICE in the ER?

376 Gus  Sun, Sep 6, 2009 3:41:31pm

re: #369 jaunte

Living in a "sanctuary" city, I see a lot of people who have moved here illegally. What will likely happen is that they will be covered by this program, too, because it's too hard for Immigration to enforce the law.

I'm sure it would get muddled in a sanctuary city.

377 pianobuff  Sun, Sep 6, 2009 3:41:46pm

Incidentally, WAPO has a story out about the whole Van Jones thing:

Van Jones's Resignation Reveals Vetting Lapse

If this is already old news, ignore.

378 Wendya  Sun, Sep 6, 2009 3:41:58pm

re: #344 Gus 802

And this on page 170:

And again, there is no provision for determining legal status.

379 jaunte  Sun, Sep 6, 2009 3:42:05pm

re: #375 MandyManners

No, they're busy closer to the border.

380 tradewind  Sun, Sep 6, 2009 3:42:24pm

re: #364 Gus 802

I don't really remember paying attention to it at the time, but I've read about it a lot, and it seems to have been a turning point. No one wanted such a wuss for president, especially after Carter.

381 [deleted]  Sun, Sep 6, 2009 3:42:30pm
382 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sun, Sep 6, 2009 3:42:46pm

re: #361 tradewind

I think the moment that sank him was when he hemmed and hawed about what he'd do if his wife were raped and murdered.

There was a great bit in one of the "Police Squad" movies. Camera panning around a bar (Cafe Blue, IIRC...lounge singer is singing a song "Guess I've been screwed").. Picture of the Hindenburg, the Titanic, the Chicago fire... and finally... Dukakis.

383 Killgore Trout  Sun, Sep 6, 2009 3:42:47pm

Civil war in the Tea Party movement...

Vimeo

Newt Gingrich is often viewed as a conservative politician. This video is a speech John McManus, president of the John Birch society, gave which exposes the REAL Newt Gingrich by examining his track record and showing his true motivations.

Lots of shilling for Ron Paul too.

384 tradewind  Sun, Sep 6, 2009 3:42:51pm

re: #377 pianobuff

Van Who?

385 Gus  Sun, Sep 6, 2009 3:42:56pm

re: #373 Wendya

That deals with affordability credits and there is no provisions for citizenship verification.

I thought they were getting rid of universal coverage and/or single payer.

386 MandyManners  Sun, Sep 6, 2009 3:43:22pm

re: #381 buzzsawmonkey

Back when The Sound of Music was first released, Chicago was inundated by a huge die-off of small fish called alewives. They were scooping them up from the beaches with bulldozers.

So, naturally, it became popular to sing,

Alewives, alewives
Every morning you greet me...

Sick. Funny but, sick.

387 [deleted]  Sun, Sep 6, 2009 3:43:24pm
388 SasquatchOnSteroids  Sun, Sep 6, 2009 3:43:26pm

re: #370 MandyManners

The Sound of Music is on ABCFamily tonight!

Closest I've gotten to seeing that movie was European Vacation.

389 pianobuff  Sun, Sep 6, 2009 3:43:32pm

re: #384 tradewind

Van Who?

er...Halen?

390 DrNaughty  Sun, Sep 6, 2009 3:43:40pm

re: #385 Gus 802

I thought they were getting rid of universal coverage and/or single payer.

The shell games continues. First you see it, then you don't...

391 freetoken  Sun, Sep 6, 2009 3:43:58pm

re: #371 Sharmuta

I don't know if ties to Birchers would damage Beck- I wonder if folks even really have an idea of what the issue is with JBS as it is.

Well, given how his association with Ron Paul (one of the heros of the JBS) has apparently enhanced his position, I doubt if Beck being associated with the JBS would do any damage.

Beck wrote the forward in a reprint of one of Skousen's books, and then distributed the books!

392 Diego  Sun, Sep 6, 2009 3:44:14pm

re: #373 Wendya

That deals with affordability credits and there is no provisions for citizenship verification.

But the public option isn't free. If they do join, they'll still have to pay, and they'll need a SSN. That isn't a health care issue, it's an immigration issue. Might just as well be asking how health care reform will stop illegal aliens from taking store credit and paying it.

393 Killgore Trout  Sun, Sep 6, 2009 3:44:51pm

re: #371 Sharmuta


I don't know if ties to Birchers would damage Beck- I wonder if folks even really have an idea of what the issue is with JBS as it is.


There is some form of relationship, he might just be influenced by their philosophy. I don't think it would damage him much with the conservative base. They seem pretty accepting of Birchers, Truthers, Nirthers, etc. these days.

394 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sun, Sep 6, 2009 3:45:16pm

re: #367 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

re: #382 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Damn! This room has gotten tough!

395 Diego  Sun, Sep 6, 2009 3:45:24pm

re: #392 Diego

correction: from taking store credit and NOT paying it.

396 MandyManners  Sun, Sep 6, 2009 3:45:26pm

re: #377 pianobuff

Incidentally, WAPO has a story out about the whole Van Jones thing:

Van Jones's Resignation Reveals Vetting Lapse

If this is already old news, ignore.

Did anyone vet Jeff Jones?

397 Gus  Sun, Sep 6, 2009 3:45:28pm

re: #390 DrNaughty

The shell games continues. First you see it, then you don't...

Yep. This is just the house version and they tend to be more liberal. The senate version should be less so.

Are they still on vacation?

398 tradewind  Sun, Sep 6, 2009 3:45:33pm

re: #357 freetoken

Well the KosKidz are going all out on Beck because of his religion, among other things. Maybe they'll get lucky with that.

399 DrNaughty  Sun, Sep 6, 2009 3:45:52pm

re: #397 Gus 802

Yep. This is just the house version and they tend to be more liberal. The senate version should be less so.

Are they still on vacation?

Everyone is back at work on Tuesday

400 tradewind  Sun, Sep 6, 2009 3:46:13pm

re: #389 pianobuff

Not yet, but there's a pretty big storm coming in from the west...

401 Wendya  Sun, Sep 6, 2009 3:46:16pm

re: #392 Diego

But the public option isn't free. If they do join, they'll still have to pay, and they'll need a SSN. That isn't a health care issue, it's an immigration issue. Might just as well be asking how health care reform will stop illegal aliens from taking store credit and paying it.

So you've gone from: Illegals won't be covered to they are covered but will have to pay. You still haven't addressed the tiny little problem about citizens being taxed a percentage of their payroll as punishment for not entering the system while illegals can still use the system but are not monetarily punished.

402 pianobuff  Sun, Sep 6, 2009 3:46:25pm

re: #396 MandyManners

Did anyone vet Jeff Jones?

Not me... you?

403 [deleted]  Sun, Sep 6, 2009 3:46:29pm
404 Diego  Sun, Sep 6, 2009 3:46:37pm

re: #397 Gus 802

Are they still on vacation?

'Til Tuesday, then Voices will Carry..

/

405 theheat  Sun, Sep 6, 2009 3:46:38pm

re: #368 tradewind

How true. And, if I recall, Limbaugh practically made his career from warning everyone about every bad thing he could dredge up about Clinton. He was in pre-stroke mode for 8 years.

It's all very tiresome. But it's getting uglier, apparently, with every presidency. I thought nothing could top all the hysteria about Bush, but I was way wrong.

406 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sun, Sep 6, 2009 3:46:41pm

re: #394 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

re: #382 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Damn! This room has gotten tough!

I got both.:)

407 Irish Rose  Sun, Sep 6, 2009 3:46:52pm

re: #381 buzzsawmonkey

Back when The Sound of Music was first released, Chicago was inundated by a huge die-off of small fish called alewives. They were scooping them up from the beaches with bulldozers.

So, naturally, it became popular to sing,

Alewives, alewives
Every morning you greet me...

Dead alewives, ugh.
Every summer...

408 Gus  Sun, Sep 6, 2009 3:47:09pm

re: #399 DrNaughty

Everyone is back at work on Tuesday

Can't wait. =%P%

/

409 DrNaughty  Sun, Sep 6, 2009 3:47:22pm

re: #398 tradewind

Well the KosKidz are going all out on Beck because of his religion, among other things. Maybe they'll get lucky with that.

Having the KosKidz hate you is a badge of honor...

410 callahan23  Sun, Sep 6, 2009 3:47:35pm

re: #353 buzzsawmonkey

The John Birch Society by the Chad Mitchell Trio

Just because it's so much fun.

LOL
Some excerpts:

There's no one left thee and we, and we're not sure of thee! ...
We'll use our hands and hearts and if we must we'll use our heads. ...
Fighting for the right to fight the right fight for the right. ...
... We'll all be glad to see you when we're meeting in the John, in the John, in the John Birch So- ci- i- teee

Great piece of comedy there.

411 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sun, Sep 6, 2009 3:47:35pm

re: #353 buzzsawmonkey

Damn!
The Limelighters' Harry Pollit isn't out there on YouTube!

412 [deleted]  Sun, Sep 6, 2009 3:47:38pm
413 Irish Rose  Sun, Sep 6, 2009 3:48:10pm

Say Charles, it's been a tough week around here.
How about a lounge thread?

I feel like letting my hair down.

414 Diego  Sun, Sep 6, 2009 3:48:24pm

re: #401 Wendya

So you've gone from: Illegals won't be covered to they are covered but will have to pay. You still haven't addressed the tiny little problem about citizens being taxed a percentage of their payroll as punishment for not entering the system while illegals can still use the system but are not monetarily punished.


Actually, I've not changed at all. They will not be covered as they will need a SSN. But even if they somehow break the law and get a SSN, they still have to pay for the coverage.

The point is that people are being told that the 'public option' is 'single-payer'. It's not.

415 FamHistoryGuy  Sun, Sep 6, 2009 3:48:35pm

re: #299 Charles

Still, it would seem to be a violation of laws concerning the use of interstate and international phone lines. Might screw with any visa application he may ever make.

416 Killgore Trout  Sun, Sep 6, 2009 3:48:47pm

Turn off cars, Jewish rulers, John Birch Society and the Berlin Wall

Vimeo

Evolution too!

417 Digital Display  Sun, Sep 6, 2009 3:49:00pm

Lizards..Since I've been up before the dawn watching sports and posting here. There is a song that just really moves me today on this Holiday.
Please allow me with your grace in this moment in time
***
Now I've heard there was a secret chord
That David played, and it pleased the Lord
But you don't really care for music, do you?
It goes like this
The fourth, the fifth
The minor fall, the major lift
The baffled king composing Hallelujah
Hallelujah
Hallelujah
Hallelujah
Hallelujah

Your faith was strong but you needed proof
You saw her bathing on the roof
Her beauty and the moonlight overthrew you
She tied you
To a kitchen chair
She broke your throne, and she cut your hair
And from your lips she drew the Hallelujah

Baby I have been here before
I know this room, I've walked this floor
I used to live alone before I knew you.
I've seen your flag on the marble arch
Love is not a victory march
It's a cold and it's a broken Hallelujah

Hallelujah, Hallelujah
Hallelujah, Hallelujah

There was a time you let me know
What's really going on below
But now you never show it to me, do you?
And remember when I moved in you
The holy dove was moving too
And every breath we drew was Hallelujah

Hallelujah, Hallelujah
Hallelujah, Hallelujah

You say I took the name in vain
I don't even know the name
But if I did, well really, what's it to you?
There's a blaze of light
In every word
It doesn't matter which you heard
The holy or the broken Hallelujah

Hallelujah, Hallelujah
Hallelujah, Hallelujah

I did my best, it wasn't much
I couldn't feel, so I tried to touch
I've told the truth, I didn't come to fool you
And even though
It all went wrong
I'll stand before the Lord of Song
With nothing on my tongue but Hallelujah

Hallelujah, Hallelujah

***

418 [deleted]  Sun, Sep 6, 2009 3:49:13pm
419 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sun, Sep 6, 2009 3:49:34pm

re: #414 Diego

Illegals getting fake SSN's? Never seen that in Florida.

420 Charles Johnson  Sun, Sep 6, 2009 3:49:44pm

re: #413 Irish Rose

Say Charles, it's been a tough week around here.
How about a lounge thread?

I feel like letting my hair down.

I'll post a private lounge thread a bit later -- first I need to rattle some more cages.

421 DrNaughty  Sun, Sep 6, 2009 3:49:45pm

re: #414 Diego

Actually, I've not changed at all. They will not be covered as they will need a SSN. But even if they somehow break the law and get a SSN, they still have to pay for the coverage.

The point is that people are being told that the 'public option' is 'single-payer'. It's not.

Obtaining a fake SSN and card is one of the first things illega do once they get past the border patrol.

422 pianobuff  Sun, Sep 6, 2009 3:50:04pm

re: #414 Diego

The point is that people are being told that the 'public option' is will lead to 'single-payer'.

423 Sheila Broflovski  Sun, Sep 6, 2009 3:50:16pm

re: #283 MandyManners

I hope nothing more than the usual check!

I just hope I don't get that hijabi bitch at DTW who was shown wanding an elderly nun in a wheelchair. She'll probably be extra pissed because it's Ramadan.

424 Diego  Sun, Sep 6, 2009 3:50:19pm

re: #419 Cannadian Club Akbar

Illegals getting fake SSN's? Never seen that in Florida.

It's an immigration issue. Not a health care reform issue.

425 theheat  Sun, Sep 6, 2009 3:50:20pm

re: #420 Charles

Cruelty becomes you.

426 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sun, Sep 6, 2009 3:50:40pm

re: #417 HoosierHoops

My favorite version...

427 jaunte  Sun, Sep 6, 2009 3:50:54pm

re: #419 Cannadian Club Akbar

Illegals getting fake SSN's? Never seen that in Florida.

Shocking! Next thing you know peopel will be ignoring posted speed limits.

428 Irish Rose  Sun, Sep 6, 2009 3:51:25pm

re: #420 Charles

I'll post a private lounge thread a bit later -- first I need to rattle some more cages.

I love it when you rattle cages.
Its' so... what's the word I'm looking for?

429 tradewind  Sun, Sep 6, 2009 3:51:37pm

re: #405 theheat

I don't listen to Rush Limbaugh any more, but I used to, in the car, years ago when he was going off on Clinton. I thought he was totally hilarious, and right on. Granted, I had tiny babies, so anything adult seemed funny.
Evidently he's branched out, gotten rich, gone to rehab, and become a little full of himself, so not as funny, but when he started in on Bubba, it was a riot.

430 Diego  Sun, Sep 6, 2009 3:52:01pm

re: #422 pianobuff

No, really. People are being told that the 'public option' is FREE - is SINGLE-PAYER

It's not and you can't prove to me the insurance industry will fold because the government sponsors an insurance program.

431 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sun, Sep 6, 2009 3:52:09pm

re: #424 Diego

It's an immigration issue. Not a health care reform issue.

Didn't you say illegals need an SSN to enrole in health care?

432 Gus  Sun, Sep 6, 2009 3:52:09pm

re: #416 Killgore Trout

Turn off cars, Jewish rulers, John Birch Society and the Berlin Wall


Evolution too!

Why? How? I mean...

There's so many crazy people in this world. This guy is one of them.

433 Wendya  Sun, Sep 6, 2009 3:52:38pm

re: #424 Diego

It's an immigration issue. Not a health care reform issue.

You don't think illegal immigration has any impact on the health care system in America???

434 MandyManners  Sun, Sep 6, 2009 3:52:50pm

re: #402 pianobuff

Not me... you?

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

435 DrNaughty  Sun, Sep 6, 2009 3:53:12pm

re: #429 tradewind

I don't listen to Rush Limbaugh any more, but I used to, in the car, years ago when he was going off on Clinton. I thought he was totally hilarious, and right on. Granted, I had tiny babies, so anything adult seemed funny.
Evidently he's branched out, gotten rich, gone to rehab, and become a little full of himself, so not as funny, but when he started in on Bubba, it was a riot.

I used to enjoy the G Man (G Gordon Liddy) in the afternoons when I lived in Oak Ridge. Then I moved to Atlanta and he's not on the air here in the afternoons (or at all).

436 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sun, Sep 6, 2009 3:53:22pm

re: #428 Irish Rose

cage rattely?

437 callahan23  Sun, Sep 6, 2009 3:53:29pm

re: #418 buzzsawmonkey

The "tools and cranks" line is still my favorite.

Yess, missed that line:

To get this movement stated we need lots of tools and cranks. ...
438 pianobuff  Sun, Sep 6, 2009 3:53:39pm

re: #430 Diego

No, really. People are being told that the 'public option' is FREE - is SINGLE-PAYER

It's not and you can't prove to me the insurance industry will fold because the government sponsors an insurance program.

I go by what the Dem pols are saying about single payer being the camel's nose under the tent.

439 MandyManners  Sun, Sep 6, 2009 3:54:08pm

re: #402 pianobuff

Not me... you?

His wiki.

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

440 Sharmuta  Sun, Sep 6, 2009 3:54:17pm

re: #393 Killgore Trout

There is some form of relationship, he might just be influenced by their philosophy. I don't think it would damage him much with the conservative base. They seem pretty accepting of Birchers, Truthers, Nirthers, etc. these days.

Agreed- folks seem not to care.

441 pianobuff  Sun, Sep 6, 2009 3:54:29pm

re: #434 MandyManners

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

Oy.

442 DrNaughty  Sun, Sep 6, 2009 3:54:35pm

re: #438 pianobuff

I go by what the Dem pols are saying about single payer being the camel's nose under the tent.

If it's taxpayer funded it's the camel's nose. No matter what they call it... Along with "Triggers"...

443 tradewind  Sun, Sep 6, 2009 3:55:10pm

re: #430 Diego

you can't prove to me the insurance industry will fold because the government sponsors an insurance program.


Yeah, you can, pretty much. How many independent postal services do you see out there? I don't mean FdX, I mean day to day delivery of local mail. Zip. Zero.
The government will undercut any private insurance company right out of business.

444 Diego  Sun, Sep 6, 2009 3:55:41pm

re: #433 Wendya

You don't think illegal immigration has any impact on the health care system in America???

Yes, it's having a huge impact right now. Two problems, different solutions.

Immigration reform is needed, not just health care reform,. But while they overlap, they are separate issues.

But the biggest reform is for those who HAVE insurance, not those who don't, in that it will stop many of the abuses in the system as it is now such as dropping people for getting sick, dropping people with pre-existing conditions, dropping people when they leave/change jobs, outrageous co-pays, yearly/lifetime caps, etc, etc.

445 MandyManners  Sun, Sep 6, 2009 3:55:47pm

re: #441 pianobuff

He's another watermelon working for FCBBHO.

446 DrNaughty  Sun, Sep 6, 2009 3:55:52pm

re: #443 tradewind

Yeah, you can, pretty much. How many independent postal services do you see out there? I don't mean FdX, I mean day to day delivery of local mail. Zip. Zero.
The government will undercut any private insurance company right out of business.

Private companies are forbidden by law to deliver first class mail

447 pianobuff  Sun, Sep 6, 2009 3:55:56pm

re: #439 MandyManners

His wiki.

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

I guess it's fitting that an environmental activist would be a member of a group called The Weatherman. Kind of poetic.

Oy Oy.

448 tradewind  Sun, Sep 6, 2009 3:56:47pm

re: #446 DrNaughty

Yeah, and that's coming for health insurance.

449 DrNaughty  Sun, Sep 6, 2009 3:57:00pm

re: #444 Diego

Yes, it's having a huge impact right now. Two problems, different solutions.

Immigration reform is needed, not just health care reform,. But while they overlap, they are separate issues.

But the biggest reform is for those who HAVE insurance, not those who don't, in that it will stop many of the abuses in the system as it is now such as dropping people for getting sick, dropping people with pre-existing conditions, dropping people when they leave/change jobs, outrageous co-pays, yearly/lifetime caps, etc, etc.

Enforcement is needed. not reform.

450 Irish Rose  Sun, Sep 6, 2009 3:57:20pm

Well, I can't think of the word.

Damn.

451 [deleted]  Sun, Sep 6, 2009 3:57:23pm
452 Diego  Sun, Sep 6, 2009 3:57:27pm

re: #438 pianobuff

I go by what the Dem pols are saying about single payer being the camel's nose under the tent.

What people think, or would like to see, isn't the same as what people will get. After all, Glen Beck thinks health care reform will bring COMMUNISM!!!, but that doesn't make it so..

453 [deleted]  Sun, Sep 6, 2009 3:58:14pm
454 pianobuff  Sun, Sep 6, 2009 3:58:14pm

re: #445 MandyManners

He's another watermelon working for FCBBHO.

Youtube Video
455 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sun, Sep 6, 2009 3:58:31pm

re: #446 DrNaughty

Private companies are forbidden by law to deliver first class mail at a price lower than the USPS.

I think that's more accurate.

456 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sun, Sep 6, 2009 3:58:34pm

re: #450 Irish Rose

Well, I can't think of the word.

Damn.

What word?

457 Code Red 21  Sun, Sep 6, 2009 3:58:45pm

This is completely OT but I need some help. Everybody is aware that in the Lizard Kingdom there is somebody that has an answer to a question, no matter what it is, or knows how to get the answer. I am locked out of my hotmail account and can't reset my password because it says there's a temporary problem with the service. I have been trying all day and am ready to pull my hair out. I know I should have written my password down, but I didn't, I had my computer set to remember me and got lazy. Yesterday I let a relative check their email on my computer and they change the settings. I've looked through the hotmail website but I can't find a service number to call, unless I overlooked it in my frantic haste, so I can talk to a person. Does anyone know what else I can do to fix my problem?

458 Wendya  Sun, Sep 6, 2009 3:58:48pm

re: #452 Diego

What people think, or would like to see, isn't the same as what people will get. After all, Glen Beck thinks health care reform will bring COMMUNISM!!!, but that doesn't make it so..

Yes, and Obama claims it will save the economy.

Two different loons with two different perspectives, both wrong.

459 DrNaughty  Sun, Sep 6, 2009 3:59:13pm

re: #452 Diego

What people think, or would like to see, isn't the same as what people will get. After all, Glen Beck thinks health care reform will bring COMMUNISM!!!, but that doesn't make it so..

No, it will reduce the amount of freedom that we enjoy.

460 Diego  Sun, Sep 6, 2009 3:59:25pm

re: #451 buzzsawmonkey

Like I'm stopping that? Isn't there a wall STILL being built? Are border guards not STILL being hired? Hasn't the SoS talked about deploying National Guard to the border?

461 Silvergirl  Sun, Sep 6, 2009 3:59:28pm

re: #335 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Enjoy!

/the is (still) only ONE "Dietrich" !

Always and forever!

462 Irish Rose  Sun, Sep 6, 2009 3:59:58pm

re: #456 Cannadian Club Akbar

What word?

Beats me, it's a holiday weekend and I'm on my second glass of wine.
/lightweight

463 Diego  Sun, Sep 6, 2009 4:00:00pm

re: #459 DrNaughty

No, it will reduce the amount of freedom that we enjoy.

No, it will not. It will give you more options, not less.

464 jaunte  Sun, Sep 6, 2009 4:00:09pm

re: #458 Wendya

There is no reform that will change the fundamental economics of health care.
At some point there is a limit to what can be spent, and someone who decides what that is.

465 DrNaughty  Sun, Sep 6, 2009 4:00:26pm

re: #457 Code Red 21

This is completely OT but I need some help. Everybody is aware that in the Lizard Kingdom there is somebody that has an answer to a question, no matter what it is, or knows how to get the answer. I am locked out of my hotmail account and can't reset my password because it says there's a temporary problem with the service. I have been trying all day and am ready to pull my hair out. I know I should have written my password down, but I didn't, I had my computer set to remember me and got lazy. Yesterday I let a relative check their email on my computer and they change the settings. I've looked through the hotmail website but I can't find a service number to call, unless I overlooked it in my frantic haste, so I can talk to a person. Does anyone know what else I can do to fix my problem?

I hope you are intelligent enough not to rely on Hotmail as your primary email address...

466 DrNaughty  Sun, Sep 6, 2009 4:01:17pm

re: #463 Diego

No, it will not. It will give you more options, not less.

It will give me a option of one

467 [deleted]  Sun, Sep 6, 2009 4:01:40pm
468 Diego  Sun, Sep 6, 2009 4:02:01pm

re: #466 DrNaughty

It will give me a option of one

That is simply not true.

469 Diego  Sun, Sep 6, 2009 4:02:51pm

re: #467 buzzsawmonkey

My point is that securing the borders takes precedence over any talk of "immigration reform."

My point is that securing the borders is part of immigration reform.

470 Code Red 21  Sun, Sep 6, 2009 4:02:52pm

re: #465 DrNaughty
No I'm not intelligent enough for that. I'm usually the only person using my computer and hadn't thought about another email account I guess I'd better do that. Thanks for your suggestion.

471 DrNaughty  Sun, Sep 6, 2009 4:04:09pm

re: #468 Diego

That is simply not true.

Yes, it is. If Obama wants to reform the health insurance system he should propose allowing any health insurance company to sell policies anywhere in the United States.

Which would not cost the taxpayers one cent.

But then, it wold not give him the control of people's lives he seeks.

Perhaps also proposing "Loser Pays" for tort reform as well ? That would also bring down the cost of health insurance...

472 debutaunt  Sun, Sep 6, 2009 4:04:23pm

re: #267 quickjustice

Now THAT would make sense! It's the underdog who wants the confrontation!

It's also helpful to remember that anyone asking for a compromise expects to benefit.

473 Wendya  Sun, Sep 6, 2009 4:05:04pm

re: #463 Diego

No, it will not. It will give you more options, not less.

More options? In what parallel universe?


The only way to increase options through government intervention is through the process of deregulation. When the government takes it upon themselves to heavily regulate any industry, prices go up, choices go down and quality suffers.

474 DrNaughty  Sun, Sep 6, 2009 4:05:21pm

re: #470 Code Red 21

No I'm not intelligent enough for that. I'm usually the only person using my computer and hadn't thought about another email account I guess I'd better do that. Thanks for your suggestion.

I'm sorry that this has happened to you. But Hotmail is one of those entities that has litterally milions of email accounts and there is no "customer service" available.

475 pianobuff  Sun, Sep 6, 2009 4:05:21pm

Graphic Depiction of Single Payer Option

476 [deleted]  Sun, Sep 6, 2009 4:06:17pm
477 Digital Display  Sun, Sep 6, 2009 4:06:20pm

re: #457 Code Red 21

Sure...
There is a link that says Forgot your password
Click it..There is a secret question you had to answer to get an account...Something like your mothers maiden name..Which always cracks me up cause I was adopted...
If you can't remember the question then you need to contact the System Admins for Hotmail..( Microsoft..Enjoy your life while you can)
There are brute methods of breaking an email password but you aren't really asking that are you?
Good luck

478 Code Red 21  Sun, Sep 6, 2009 4:06:25pm

re: #474 DrNaughty
Thanks Now I can start kicking myself in the behind for not being better prepared.

479 Wendya  Sun, Sep 6, 2009 4:06:28pm

re: #475 pianobuff

Graphic Depiction of Single Payer Option

That looks painful.

480 pianobuff  Sun, Sep 6, 2009 4:06:41pm

re: #469 Diego

My point is that securing the borders is part of immigration reform.

Why wouldn't you want secure borders irrespective of comprehensive immigration reform legislation?

481 Maui Girl  Sun, Sep 6, 2009 4:06:43pm

re: #371 Sharmuta

I don't know if ties to Birchers would damage Beck- I wonder if folks even really have an idea of what the issue is with JBS as it is.

I'm afraid I have to plead ignorance. Never heard of the JBS before.

482 Diego  Sun, Sep 6, 2009 4:08:09pm

re: #471 DrNaughty

Yes, it is. If Obama wants to reform the health insurance system he should propose allowing any health insurance company to sell policies anywhere in the United States.

'Health Insurance Exchange' available to anyone, in any state, including a public option: choose what you want or stay with what you have.

483 DrNaughty  Sun, Sep 6, 2009 4:08:38pm

re: #481 Maui Girl

I don't know if ties to Birchers would damage Beck- I wonder if folks even really have an idea of what the issue is with JBS as it is.

I'm afraid I have to plead ignorance. Never heard of the JBS before.

John Birch was an American shot in China by ChiComs in 1945. The JBS followers consider him the first casualty of the Cold War.

484 solomonpanting  Sun, Sep 6, 2009 4:09:33pm

re: #463 Diego

No, it will not. It will give you more options, not less.

Yes, in the beginning it will give you more options.
Think of that situation as one where a child asks his parents for a pet. The parents suggest a dog, a cat, a bird, a turtle, a mouse, and a rabbit.
The child asks for a lion. That, too, initially increases the options. But, alas, that one will devour the consumer.

485 DrNaughty  Sun, Sep 6, 2009 4:09:49pm

re: #482 Diego

'Health Insurance Exchange' available to anyone, in any state, including a public option: choose what you want or stay with what you have.

Why does the taxpayer need to have to pay for a ''public option' when there would be hundereds of choices in the marketplace?

486 Digital Display  Sun, Sep 6, 2009 4:10:50pm

re: #474 DrNaughty

I'm sorry that this has happened to you. But Hotmail is one of those entities that has litterally milions of email accounts and there is no "customer service" available.

Wrong...Hotmail is running exchange 2007 web services.. There is customer support..It's Microsoft...
It's just that when they are done with you you'll want to hang yourself in the basement.. *wink*
/teasing..There is customer support

487 Code Red 21  Sun, Sep 6, 2009 4:11:05pm

re: #477 HoosierHoops
I tried the secret question and it keeps saying the service isn't available. Brute methods??? No I would never want to do anything like tha/// I'm going to try the contact info for the systems administrator route. I'm so mad at myself over screwing up this badly but I'll make sure it never happens again. Thanks for your help I truly appreciate it. :)

488 cronus  Sun, Sep 6, 2009 4:11:39pm

If you had to be in someone's cross hairs, I'd opt for these two.

489 Diego  Sun, Sep 6, 2009 4:11:55pm

re: #473 Wendya

The only way to increase options through government intervention is through the process of deregulation. When the government takes it upon themselves to heavily regulate any industry, prices go up, choices go down and quality suffers.

So you want LESS regulation? How much less could you get, and what good would it do you? Obama is suggesting a minimum of care which must be met for an insurance program to be offered in the exchange. That will not stop those outside of the exchange from providing whatever level of care they like, even what they are offering now.

Really, the misconception of the proposals, as outlined by Obama, I'm finding staggering.

490 pianobuff  Sun, Sep 6, 2009 4:12:03pm

re: #482 Diego

'Health Insurance Exchange' available to anyone, in any state, including a public option: choose what you want or stay with what you have.

Man - you're complaining upthread about misinformation getting out to the public yet you can say this with a straight face?

491 DrNaughty  Sun, Sep 6, 2009 4:12:06pm

re: #486 HoosierHoops

Wrong...Hotmail is running exchange 2007 web services.. There is customer support..It's Microsoft...
It's just that when they are done with you you'll want to hang yourself in the basement.. *wink*
/teasing..There is customer support

I think i had a Hotmail account back in 98 before it was taken over my Microsoft. Experience has taught me that anything supported by Microsoft has horrible if any actual customer support

492 freetoken  Sun, Sep 6, 2009 4:12:20pm

re: #483 DrNaughty

John Birch was an American shot in China by ChiComs in 1945. The JBS followers consider him the first casualty of the Cold War.

John Birch was a spy, and part of the occupational hazard of that occupation is that the target country will kill you if they catch you in-country.

493 Digital Display  Sun, Sep 6, 2009 4:13:10pm

re: #487 Code Red 21

Hold on Red...I'm check

494 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sun, Sep 6, 2009 4:13:28pm

re: #481 Maui Girl

I don't know if ties to Birchers would damage Beck- I wonder if folks even really have an idea of what the issue is with JBS as it is.

I'm afraid I have to plead ignorance. Never heard of the JBS before.

It was MUCH more in the public eye 40-50 years ago, in the earlier days of the Cold War. A certifiable collection of paranoid nutcases.

495 DrNaughty  Sun, Sep 6, 2009 4:13:59pm

re: #492 freetoken

John Birch was a spy, and part of the occupational hazard of that occupation is that the target country will kill you if they catch you in-country.

Yup, like the two women that Al Gore sent to North Korea this spring... They admitted they crossed the Yalu and went into NK. They were caught trying to get back into China...

496 jayzee  Sun, Sep 6, 2009 4:14:15pm

re: #468 Diego

Yes it is. Businesses that don't meet a minimum requirement of coverage will be forced to purchase the public option under the current house plan. Non covered individuals will be forced to purchase the public option. The public option will be funded with tax payer dollars thus limiting the cost giving it an unfair price advantage. It will limit options and President Obama admitted as much when he stated clearly that the public option was the first step in socializing medicine.

Also, whether or not illegals will be part of a public option may be yet to be determined, but what is NOT debatable is the fact that they ARE included in the counting of the "40 million uninsured" number constantly hurled around.

497 freetoken  Sun, Sep 6, 2009 4:15:44pm

re: #481 Maui Girl

I don't know if ties to Birchers would damage Beck- I wonder if folks even really have an idea of what the issue is with JBS as it is.

I'm afraid I have to plead ignorance. Never heard of the JBS before.

Think "General Ripper":

Youtube Video
498 freetoken  Sun, Sep 6, 2009 4:17:18pm

re: #495 DrNaughty

They were doing such as journalists for an investigative piece.

Not exactly the same thing, DrNaughty.

Why are you trying to obfuscate the issues here?

499 Digital Display  Sun, Sep 6, 2009 4:17:24pm

re: #487 Code Red 21

I tried the secret question and it keeps saying the service isn't available. Brute methods??? No I would never want to do anything like tha/// I'm going to try the contact info for the systems administrator route. I'm so mad at myself over screwing up this badly but I'll make sure it never happens again. Thanks for your help I truly appreciate it. :)

Hold on...The external interface of 64.4.20.186 Hotmail is not replying.
I'm going to trace this..

500 Steffan  Sun, Sep 6, 2009 4:17:24pm

Olby vs. Beck.

I've got extra popcorn if anybody wants some.

This is a train wreck worth watching.

501 DrNaughty  Sun, Sep 6, 2009 4:19:35pm

re: #492 freetoken

John Birch was a spy, and part of the occupational hazard of that occupation is that the target country will kill you if they catch you in-country.

However in 1945, Mao had not yet won the Chinese Civl War. I also seem to recall from history that in August 1945 we were still on good terms with the Chairman. In 1944, he offered Twentieth Air Force bases in communist controlled territory to base B-29s for attacks on the Japanese Home Islands.

We declined his request, because we had tried it earlier from territory controlled byChang Kai Check and they were unsupportable.

502 JohnH  Sun, Sep 6, 2009 4:19:36pm

re: #494 pre-Boomer Marine brat

It was MUCH more in the public eye 40-50 years ago, in the earlier days of the Cold War. A certifiable collection of paranoid nutcases.

Yes. Especially since we now know that the Soviets never wanted to take us out. /sarc

503 pianobuff  Sun, Sep 6, 2009 4:20:07pm

re: #500 Steffan

Olby vs. Beck.

I've got extra popcorn if anybody wants some.

This is a train wreck worth watching.

It's all about the ratings.

This is a perfect opportunity for KO to try to get some and ramp up his relevancy.

Very predictable. What did Corleone say when he found out it was Tesio... "It's the smart play".

It's just business.

504 Diego  Sun, Sep 6, 2009 4:21:14pm

re: #490 pianobuff

Man - you're complaining upthread about misinformation getting out to the public yet you can say this with a straight face?

Yes. He laid it out during the primaries, during the general, and several times over the last 8 months. If you watch him address COntress he will lay it out again. It is what Congress has now, minus the public option, and what he wants to see come from reform.

re: #496 jayzee

Yes it is. Businesses that don't meet a minimum requirement of coverage will be forced to purchase the public option under the current house plan.(1) Non covered individuals will be forced to purchase the public option.(2) The public option will be funded with tax payer dollars thus limiting the cost giving it an unfair price advantage.(3) It will limit options and President Obama admitted as much when he stated clearly that the public option was the first step in socializing medicine.(4)

1) Not at all. If you like what you have, you keep it. Large businesses will not be allowed to drop their current plan and dump employees to the insurance exchange without paying into a fund, in place of the co-coverage which is part of the plans they offer now.

2) Again, not true. The public option will be only one of several packages available on teh exchange. You do not have to choose it.

3) Like the GOP offer of $2500/person, $5005/family?

4) Show me where he has said this please.

Also, whether or not illegals will be part of a public option may be yet to be determined, but what is NOT debatable is the fact that they ARE included in the counting of the "40 million uninsured" number constantly hurled around.

Actually, it is and they're not; as discussed above.

505 quickjustice  Sun, Sep 6, 2009 4:21:29pm

re: #481 Maui Girl

A right-wing, extremist U.S. group that was marginalized by Bill Buckley back in the 1950s to make conservatism respectable. Now that Buckley's gone, they're re-surfacing their ugly faces.

506 code red 21  Sun, Sep 6, 2009 4:21:45pm

re: #499 HoosierHoops
I'll wait

507 FamHistoryGuy  Sun, Sep 6, 2009 4:22:53pm

re: #460 Diego

Talk, drag feet, talk:Rinse, repeat.

there are some legal problems with using the military as border guards. The state could do it, but the feds might have problems.

508 [deleted]  Sun, Sep 6, 2009 4:22:55pm
509 JohnH  Sun, Sep 6, 2009 4:23:37pm

BTW, NBC Nightly News just did a piece on a new form of healthcare that is now offered in 17 states. You pay $50-90/month for unlimited primary care visits to a doctors office that is open 7 days a week. For bigger items, you purchase a high deductible catastrophic insurance policy. One small business owner was interviewed and he said this is saving his business $200K/year.

Hmm. A solution offered by evil, private enterprise has come up with this solution

510 DrNaughty  Sun, Sep 6, 2009 4:24:17pm

re: #504 Diego

Yes. He laid it out during the primaries, during the general, and several times over the last 8 months. If you watch him address COntress he will lay it out again. It is what Congress has now, minus the public option, and what he wants to see come from reform..

Obama's problem is that even with his upcoming speech to Congress, the reps and senators have heard from their constituents that if they support this boondoggle, they'll be joining the Obama unemployed starting in January 2011...

511 JohnH  Sun, Sep 6, 2009 4:24:53pm

re: #503 pianobuff

This is a perfect opportunity for KO to try to get some and ramp up his relevancy.


Correction. Establish even a hint of relevancy.

512 Digital Display  Sun, Sep 6, 2009 4:25:01pm

re: #499 HoosierHoops

Hold on...The external interface of 64.4.20.186 Hotmail is not replying.
I'm going to trace this..

There is a issue in the NYC datacenter with Hotmail...
I'm calling the core nyc30 switch at 66.109.6.163 but because it sits behind a DMZ there is something deeper in the infrastructure going on...I think the radius servers are not validating Passwords...
...Back on-line...try again Red...

513 DrNaughty  Sun, Sep 6, 2009 4:25:25pm

re: #509 JohnH

BTW, NBC Nightly News just did a piece on a new form of healthcare that is now offered in 17 states. You pay $50-90/month for unlimited primary care visits to a doctors office that is open 7 days a week. For bigger items, you purchase a high deductible catastrophic insurance policy. One small business owner was interviewed and he said this is saving his business $200K/year.

Hmm. A solution offered by evil, private enterprise has come up with this solution

Imagine that. The free market providing services that are needed...

514 quickjustice  Sun, Sep 6, 2009 4:25:32pm

re: #501 DrNaughty

As a young man, Mao was a schoolteacher at the Yale School in China. He spoke excellent English. It was only after WWII ended and we sided with Kuomingdang against the communists that Mao became anti-American. In 1948, his soldiers began murdering American missionaries on the streets of the cities they overran. Mao agreed to stop the killings if the U.S. missionaries left China.

515 pianobuff  Sun, Sep 6, 2009 4:25:55pm

re: #504 Diego

Yes. He laid it out during the primaries, during the general, and several times over the last 8 months. If you watch him address COntress he will lay it out again. It is what Congress has now, minus the public option, and what he wants to see come from reform.

So you are you are talking about a hypothetical bill? Not the one that the House has completed?

516 Diego  Sun, Sep 6, 2009 4:26:06pm

re: #510 DrNaughty

Just because all we see on the tee-vee are protests doesn't mean that they are the voice of the nation. Polls still show that when American are given the facts of what Obama wants to see come out of congress they give it overwhelming support.

517 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sun, Sep 6, 2009 4:26:07pm

re: #508 buzzsawmonkey

THERE you are!

Doc Watson - 1991 - Deep River Blues (Solo)

518 DrNaughty  Sun, Sep 6, 2009 4:27:13pm

re: #516 Diego

Just because all we see on the tee-vee are protests doesn't mean that they are the voice of the nation. Polls still show that when American are given the facts of what Obama wants to see come out of congress they give it overwhelming support.

The problem is that the american public does not know what the "facts" are because the legistation hasn't yet been written.

What they are aware of are the proposals made by the Democrats, and they do not agree with them.

519 Wendya  Sun, Sep 6, 2009 4:27:16pm

re: #489 Diego

So you want LESS regulation? How much less could you get, and what good would it do you? Obama is suggesting a minimum of care which must be met for an insurance program to be offered in the exchange. That will not stop those outside of the exchange from providing whatever level of care they like, even what they are offering now.

Really, the misconception of the proposals, as outlined by Obama, I'm finding staggering.

You really have no clue, do you?

Tell me why I should buy a policy that covers pregnancy (those days are gone), mental illness and therapeutic massage? I have a HSA. It's a high deductible catastrophic policy combined with a savings account into which I deposit pre tax money to cover costs up to the deductible. I pay less per year for this than I would for a traditional policy with stuff I'll never use or need. It gives me more bang for the buck. Under the house and senate plans, I can potentially keep my plan but I'll have to pay a fine for the privilege of not having a low deductible plan that covers stuff I don't want or need.

How does that help me?

520 John Neverbend  Sun, Sep 6, 2009 4:27:20pm

re: #172 Charles

The person sending the "ass-rape" emails to me is in Israel.

I seem to recall that an earlier example of this poisonous barrage that was sent to you ended with "shalom from Israel".

521 pianobuff  Sun, Sep 6, 2009 4:27:21pm

re: #509 JohnH

BTW, NBC Nightly News just did a piece on a new form of healthcare that is now offered in 17 states. You pay $50-90/month for unlimited primary care visits to a doctors office that is open 7 days a week. For bigger items, you purchase a high deductible catastrophic insurance policy. One small business owner was interviewed and he said this is saving his business $200K/year.

Hmm. A solution offered by evil, private enterprise has come up with this solution

Does this type of coverage have a "brand" or name it's going by just in case I want to find out more about it or hear stuff?

522 tradewind  Sun, Sep 6, 2009 4:27:46pm

re: #511 JohnH

This will be interesting, seeing how far GE (NBC parent corp) is willing to go to support Olbermann.

523 Diego  Sun, Sep 6, 2009 4:28:24pm

re: #515 pianobuff

So you are you are talking about a hypothetical bill? Not the one that the House has completed?

There are three (3) bills in the House and two (2) in the Senate. I can only talk of what I understand of what Obama wants to see, not what will come out of congress.

524 JohnH  Sun, Sep 6, 2009 4:28:26pm

re: #519 Wendya

But, you see, Diego just wants to passively sit by and let Big Brother take care of him.

525 Wendya  Sun, Sep 6, 2009 4:28:32pm

re: #496 jayzee

Yes it is. Businesses that don't meet a minimum requirement of coverage will be forced to purchase the public option under the current house plan.

Or pay a fine up to 8% of their payroll.

For most businesses, it's cheaper to pay the fine than provide the level of insurance the government is going to demand.

526 [deleted]  Sun, Sep 6, 2009 4:28:35pm
527 pianobuff  Sun, Sep 6, 2009 4:28:53pm

re: #522 tradewind

This will be interesting, seeing how far GE (NBC parent corp) is willing to go to support Olbermann.

GE is very very invested in Obama's success IIRC.

528 code red 21  Sun, Sep 6, 2009 4:29:12pm

re: #512 HoosierHoops
Will do. Thanks so much Hoops. :)

529 JohnH  Sun, Sep 6, 2009 4:29:20pm

re: #521 pianobuff

Does this type of coverage have a "brand" or name it's going by just in case I want to find out more about it or hear stuff?

I'd have to check, but the one being offered in Seattle was called QLCare or something like that.

530 Diego  Sun, Sep 6, 2009 4:30:41pm

re: #519 Wendya

You really have no clue, do you?

We oly talking here, you have to get personal?

Tell me why I should buy a policy that covers pregnancy (those days are gone), mental illness and therapeutic massage? I have a HSA. It's a high deductible catastrophic policy combined with a savings account into which I deposit pre tax money to cover costs up to the deductible. I pay less per year for this than I would for a traditional policy with stuff I'll never use or need. It gives me more bang for the buck. Under the house and senate plans, I can potentially keep my plan but I'll have to pay a fine for the privilege of not having a low deductible plan that covers stuff I don't want or need.

You don't have to do anything at all. If you have insurance and are happy with it then keep it. There are no mandates for you to change your converge or join the public option or any of the other programs in the exchange.

531 Diego  Sun, Sep 6, 2009 4:31:48pm

re: #524 JohnH

But, you see, Diego just wants to passively sit by and let Big Brother take care of him.

Being rude gives your side of the conversation more weight somehow?

I want nothing of the sort.

532 pianobuff  Sun, Sep 6, 2009 4:31:56pm

re: #523 Diego

There are three (3) bills in the House and two (2) in the Senate. I can only talk of what I understand of what Obama wants to see, not what will come out of congress.

OK then. Well, no point in debating about an Al-mi'raj.

533 JohnH  Sun, Sep 6, 2009 4:32:43pm

re: #521 pianobuff

Here's a link to the report:

MSNBC Video

The name of the one in Seattle was Qliance

534 pianobuff  Sun, Sep 6, 2009 4:33:26pm

re: #533 JohnH

Here's a link to the report:

[Link: www.msnbc.msn.com...]

The name of the one in Seattle was Qliance

Thanks. I'll check it out.

Gotta run now. Take care everyone.

535 Wendya  Sun, Sep 6, 2009 4:34:02pm

re: #530 Diego

You don't have to do anything at all. If you have insurance and are happy with it then keep it. There are no mandates for you to change your converge or join the public option or any of the other programs in the exchange.

Hello...

Both the house and senate versions will force me to pay a FINE if I keep my current insurance. I will be punished for not paying an inflated price for something I don't need that limits my choices.

536 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Sun, Sep 6, 2009 4:35:12pm

re: #526 buzzsawmonkey

Oh, that's nice.

5 minutes of Doc & Earl Scruggs in Doc's yard with three of their sons - John Hardy, Cripple Creek, plus snippets

537 Diego  Sun, Sep 6, 2009 4:36:04pm

re: #532 pianobuff

OK then. Well, no point in debating about an Al-mi'raj.

SURE there is! THAT is the point! What Obama would like to have come out of reform is being watered down in, at the very least, the Senate. If you like what I have been saying, which is what Obama has been saying, then get in the game and tell your congress critter that YOU deserve what THEY are currently getting, and which YOU are currently paying 70% of for them!

This is where the Teabaggers and other protesters are hurting the proposals, interjecting 'grandma death panels' and crap like that into the conversation until asshats like Grassley are spouting them to the masses.

538 Diego  Sun, Sep 6, 2009 4:36:32pm

re: #534 pianobuff

Thanks. I'll check it out.

Gotta run now. Take care everyone.

Chow, have a good might :)

539 Diego  Sun, Sep 6, 2009 4:38:07pm

re: #535 Wendya

Both the house and senate versions will force me to pay a FINE if I keep my current insurance. I will be punished for not paying an inflated price for something I don't need that limits my choices.

I'm sorry, but that isn't in any of the bills I've looked at. I'm no expert, but I've not seen that language. If you can find it in the bills; shouldn't be hard if it's in all the bills, as you say; then you will educate me.

540 [deleted]  Sun, Sep 6, 2009 4:42:21pm
541 jaunte  Sun, Sep 6, 2009 4:45:17pm

POOF. Nothing but hot air.

542 Charles Johnson  Sun, Sep 6, 2009 4:45:35pm

Bye now! I have no idea why you idiots feel the need to post your flounce-off comments. They're just going to be deleted.

543 [deleted]  Sun, Sep 6, 2009 4:46:04pm
544 jayzee  Sun, Sep 6, 2009 4:46:15pm

re: #504 Diego

Actually, it is and they're not; as discussed above.

And the most widely accepted range — 40 million to 50 million — includes some 10 million non-citizens

1. Not if gov regulations force you to buy a more expensive plan OR the government option. You are being dishonest.
2. Moot point. My argument is that you have a tax funded health plan, it can "compete" with a million insurance co's and as long as the gov regulates what the co's need to provide, and keeps its offering artificially low there is no competition.
3. Makes no sense. A tax break to buy whatever you like, is different than tax money being giving to offset the costs of a specific fund. You really are going to pretend not to understand this?

4.As for Obama's plans...
[Link: www.breitbart.tv...]

Please lie elsewhere now.

545 JohnH  Sun, Sep 6, 2009 4:49:52pm

In this thread, several non-govt options have been discussed. They are proven to work. They are clearly better than any govt option. The left refuse to even talk about them. They want control.

To whomever it was that said that people support this, I say not in the circles that I run in. People are outraged at what is being proposed and the increased debt and taxes it will take to pay for it.

546 quickjustice  Sun, Sep 6, 2009 4:50:05pm

re: #504 Diego

Because Obama SAID it, it must be true? He's not even trying to control the debate except by defending congressional proposals of which he's ignorant.

547 quickjustice  Sun, Sep 6, 2009 4:53:26pm

And I'll say it: We should replace the bankrupt Medicare and Medicaid programs with a flat government grant of cash per adult. Eliminate the employer deduction for health benefit plans above the level of the uniform tax credit. For persons not on Medicare or Medicaid and self-employed, we should provide a uniform tax credit for health savings accounts and catastrophic insurance they choose themselves.

548 [deleted]  Sun, Sep 6, 2009 4:54:09pm
549 Throbert McGee  Sun, Sep 6, 2009 4:55:02pm

I think the best we can hope for is that Olbermann and Beck meet, shake hands, and instantly annihilate each other, solving our energy-generation problems for the next fifty years or so in the process.

550 jaunte  Sun, Sep 6, 2009 4:56:18pm

re: #549 Throbert McGee

Need a containment vessel.

551 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Sun, Sep 6, 2009 4:56:45pm

re: #549 Throbert McGee

Fifty years is a very conservative estimate. Still, better to err on the side of caution.

552 [deleted]  Sun, Sep 6, 2009 4:57:43pm
553 harpsicon  Sun, Sep 6, 2009 4:59:53pm

re: #468 Diego

State of WA had 19 companies selling health insurance, and then it put in "reforms" like those being proposed nationally. Now there are 3.

With the govt, in addition, able to mandate what must be in a policy, while "competing" with these companies who must also, by the way, not lose money, this isn't competition at all.

This "competition" meme is the biggest fraud perpetrated on the American people in a long time, and that's saying something!

554 tradewind  Sun, Sep 6, 2009 5:01:04pm

re: #527 pianobuff

Yeah, but Obama would toss Olbermann under the bus quicker than you could say Van Jones if he thought it was necessary.

555 lincolntf  Sun, Sep 6, 2009 5:09:39pm

re: #548 buzzsawmonkey

But... ObamaCare has electrolytes!!

556 Mr Pancakes  Sun, Sep 6, 2009 5:10:22pm

I'm self employed... I have no health insurance.

I called and asked about private coverage to match the health care I was getting when I worked at my last job...

$1500 per month... I can't afford that.

My wife had to go to the emergency room for elevated blood pressure and extreme headaches a couple of years ago. Four hours later they let her go after running tests and said she was fine... The hospital handed me a $5000 bill and said they'd discount it to $4200 if I paid it then... which I did.

I thought to myself... what happens if my daughter falls down and breaks her arm? $9000 bucks or $7800 if I pay it on the spot? Then you get a doctor bill and a myriad of other bills that come later.

I kinda hope they work something out... my health care plan now is to cross the border into Tijuana and cross my fingers.

557 Dahveed  Sun, Sep 6, 2009 5:10:28pm

In my mind it's misleading to suggest that illegals aren't covered in some way. True, we already pick up that tab, but the myth is that illegals won't be receiving healthcare under the public option. They already receive care by the states and local communities. They just can't enroll in the public option in the federal system. If an illegal is in an emergency situation, the hospitals won't let an illegal die because they can't pay.

So while the poll may suggest that 72% think that illegals are covered when this bill doesn't cover them, they really are covered, just covered elsewhere.

558 efuseakay  Sun, Sep 6, 2009 5:18:58pm

I am sure Keith's 3 listeners will be hitting Google all weekend!

559 jayzee  Sun, Sep 6, 2009 5:19:39pm

re: #556 Mr Pancakes

I'm self employed... I have no health insurance.

I called and asked about private coverage to match the health care I was getting when I worked at my last job...

$1500 per month... I can't afford that.

My wife had to go to the emergency room for elevated blood pressure and extreme headaches a couple of years ago. Four hours later they let her go after running tests and said she was fine... The hospital handed me a $5000 bill and said they'd discount it to $4200 if I paid it then... which I did.

I thought to myself... what happens if my daughter falls down and breaks her arm? $9000 bucks or $7800 if I pay it on the spot? Then you get a doctor bill and a myriad of other bills that come later.

I kinda hope they work something out... my health care plan now is to cross the border into Tijuana and cross my fingers.

Wouldn't it be great if you could have taken your insurance with you, or were permitted to buy, say, instead of full coverage, coverage for specific types of events? State regulations make that impossible.

560 Mr Pancakes  Sun, Sep 6, 2009 5:35:32pm

re: #559 jayzee

Anything that would help me would be a blessing...

561 Wendya  Sun, Sep 6, 2009 5:43:16pm

re: #556 Mr Pancakes


I called and asked about private coverage to match the health care I was getting when I worked at my last job...

$1500 per month... I can't afford that.

Your employer was paying the bulk of the cost of your insurance in lieu of wages. Before I quit and decided to go it alone, I was paying about $750.00 per year for an excellent insurance plan. My employer was paying the other 6K+. I pay less now and the difference is that instead of sending the money to an insurance company, the bulk of it goes into a personal health savings account used to pay medical expenses up to my deductible. I don't "lose" it if I don't use it. It rolls over every year and it's mine.

562 leftover54  Sun, Sep 6, 2009 6:11:25pm

re: #70 Shiplord Kirel

Have y'all actually SEEN the picture ? No doubt the dorkiest looking goofball that ever commanded a tank.
Commander In Chief - it just didn't fit. Although
he could have been a great secret weapon - the enemy would laugh themselves to death at the sight of him approaching. I've never looked good in a hat(s) so I don't ever wear them - maybe he didn't have a mirror handy.
For a time I had this picture along with the JF Kerry Easter Bunny/Astronut picture as my 'Desktop' background - started every day with a chuckle. Even funnier than a Don Knotts character.

'Atta boy Luther !'

563 Mr Pancakes  Sun, Sep 6, 2009 6:13:11pm

re: #561 Wendya

Welp... that's cool.

I was paying around $350 per month with my employer... he offered me Cobra when I left... too costly... doesn't last long.

564 crosspatch  Sun, Sep 6, 2009 6:20:46pm

Both of Olbermann's viewers are going to have a field day with this one.

565 leftover54  Sun, Sep 6, 2009 6:48:23pm

re: #487 Code Red 21

As far as the person changing your settings - what OS system do you have ? Windows XP and other Microsoft based OS have a 'System Restore' function that lets you return your PC back to an earlier date - prior to the changes.Some virus protection packages have similar (Symantac/Norton 'Go Back' for example).
They don't correct every change made and often don't offer a useful rollback date but it's worth a try...
As far as setting up an e-mail account on your computer as your primary account, Microsoft/Windows OS's come with 'Outlook' and/or 'Outlook Express' programs installed on your PC right out of the box. I've used the 'Express' program for my primary since day one.
Not pushing PC's, MS or Norton here - they're all I'm familiar with...

566 leftover54  Sun, Sep 6, 2009 7:01:29pm

re: #564 crosspatch

You haven't heard ? Mildred Wilburforce passed away yesterday at 'Happy Dale Sanitarium'. She was 97 years of age. She is survived by the only other known Olbermann viewer, Clarence Dinsdale, 101.
Olbermann reportedly commented 'not to worry, I may soon double my audience as mother says she's now forgiven me for mixing her whites in with my colors'.

567 Simple Voice  Sun, Sep 6, 2009 7:14:46pm
"Tuesday we will expand this to the television audience..."

What audience?

568 kansas  Sun, Sep 6, 2009 7:18:10pm

re: #516 Diego

Just because all we see on the tee-vee are protests doesn't mean that they are the voice of the nation. Polls still show that when American are given the facts of what Obama wants to see come out of congress they give it overwhelming support.

What polls would that be? And isn't Obama's speech to Congress Wednesday supposed to be where he actually says what he wants to come out of Congress?

569 Dr. Shalit  Sun, Sep 6, 2009 7:35:16pm

OK KOL HA LIZARDIM -

Check the ratings. Apart from PWNING Mr. "Van" the Green Jobs Adviser, Beck beats MSNBC like a Drum, along with his Alma Mater - CNN. Beck IS Wrong and actually Silly at the edges. His competition is no better if Not Worse. This is the state of Politics in the USA in September 2009. Here's to an early 2010.

-S-

570 leftover54  Sun, Sep 6, 2009 7:52:09pm

re: #559 jayzee

And even if you could, how long will our current system run before a total breakdown ? These outrageous prices could only be commanded because of 'Health Insurance'.For years those of us that only had to pay a $10. co-pay or similar didn't realize the balance of our bill, after paying our pittance, was growing increasingly larger and larger every year - we were oblivious and the doctors were collecting huge fees. It was painless. Ditto for medications.If they had to accept a formula much like how a 'prevailing wage' and 'sliding fee' is calculated for the area they practiced in, you might have a chance to pay your bill in 30 days. Its so out of whack now that my co pays are getting hard to handle. Great that a doc can save ones life. No problem that I pay him a bit more than the mechanic, plumber, farmer etc. but where would the doc be if the people he/she depended on to fix his car so he can drive to the hospital to save my life, the plumber to fix his/her drains or the farmer that puts food on his/her table that sustains his/her life all charged $5000.00 a visit or delivery ? Its sooo far out of whack and talking about another 'insurance' plan is putting a finger in the dike (IMHO). 'Insurance', like auto or life have predictable payouts, agreed upon fees etc. The law states that if you pay your monthly health ins. premium, the ins. co. has to pay for whatever the 'doctor orders' - how often/how many ? How do you calculate that so as to sustain a profitable business ? What happened to kids with the urge to help others over the urge to buy summer homes, Mercedes and Porsches ?? If the Gov. is going to pay for anything, I think it should be an eduction that doesn't saddle a prospective young doc with a mountain of college loan debts - use it as an incentive to attract kids into the profession but teach they have a right to a decent living but not wealthy beyond comparison to others doing worth while work. If your doc had to charge based on what the average family could afford, well, the average family could afford health care and the doc could expect to live a bit higher on the hog than the average patient. All moral/ethical issues and I don't believe I have the right (or the business) to say what someone else should be 'allowed' to earn but I think the next generation at least could be taught from an early age the benefits of choosing a profession that helps others in their time of need and maybe something like 'it doesn't mean you should expect to get filthy rich...some of the rewards in life aren't monetary'...and the notion 'how much is your life worth' is down right immoral. Just maybe we'd get kids that want to grow up to help their fellow man and the money being the icing on the cake rather than the other way around. I know that if when I was in school I learned that I could go through med school, no matter what my socio economic circumstances were, I'd certainly consider this a great opportunity. More and more docs are no longer accepting ins. plans. They are getting sick of all the different forms, requirements etc. etc. For what companies pay out the head ache it causes office staff, the delays in payment if one little rule, number etc., gets screwed up by someone in billing - getting too much for many of them (I could tell you stories !). I'm terrible at this blogging thing - in case I'm misunderstood (or ya don't understand me at all LOL) I'm not rail ling against doctors, insurance companies or big pharmaceutical.
It seems to me that when employers/unions began using 'plans' in lieu of salary and then, in return, the unions kept the ball rolling until it became expected that your employer would pay for your families health ins. plan is when things really started getting away from us. When I get one of those 'This Is Not A Bill' letters from my provider I usually don't read past 'this is not a bill' as thats about all I've been concerned with. Part of the problem here too.

571 spiderx  Sun, Sep 6, 2009 8:33:59pm

we have entered an era in politics where the fringe have entered the mainstream. Remember Olbermann back in 06 during a special comment calling Bush a terrorist. That was radical and something you'd expect to hear at democratic underground, certainly not something that should be heard on a national news broadcast.

now we have Glenn Beck who is a dangerous radical that is propagating some of the most extreme views every to be seen on a national broadcast. He is being mainstreamed by FOX news (and CNN when he was employed there)

i can probably count on two hands how many times OLbermann went nuts (two hands too many)

but Glenn Beck goes nuts everyday . His views are truly extreme. Olbermann is not an extremist, he's just a megalomaniacal douche bag.

Neither of these clowns should be newsmen.

572 leftover54  Sun, Sep 6, 2009 8:36:08pm

# 570 cont.
If the Fed is going to get involved with this plan anyway and billions are to be spent, wouldn't the money be better spent with incentives for young up and comers to specialize in areas where lacking, to locate in areas low on docs/per capita, to provide a 'catastrophic illness' plan only and bring the profession back in line with what people can afford to pay from their paycheck ? Competition usually leads to excellence and lower prices/fees, right ? Minimal regulation to make sure communities are being adequately served and not so over priced that the average person can't afford health care.Tort reform/jury awards issue tackled so the liability/malpractice issue is settled (reasonable). This sounds pie in the sky as it would cause heads to explode in the health care industry and the AMA would go insane at the notion but look where we're heading anyway - the craziness is growing daily as it is. And eventually its going to all crumble anyway when prices are so high the average person, if they're lucky enough to find a 'participating provider', they will no longer be able to afford the 'co-pays'. Having a gov run plan in competition with a private plan ain't gonna work either as the gov can always bail out shortfalls by raising taxes or printing money. Privates do not have this luxury/protection. I remember a time in my life when my parents had to make some hard decisions as to who and when to go to the doctors. Dad/mom were paying straight from the wallet. This can be a problem when talking about putting the transaction back to being between the doctor and the family. Some may ignore symptoms due to $ concerns - the exact opposite of todays parent insisting the kids all be prescribed antibiotics because 'well then, why did i bother making the appointment if your not going to DO something ?' Have heard that plenty. partly the reason we have antibiotic resistant viruses/bacteria. Partly the reason ins. co. are claiming 'we're going broke'. Parents would be less likely;y to run to the doc for every little suspected illness if they had to pay out of pocket/wages. There could be some simple, sane laws protecting children - especially the poor. It would cost but we're talking spending how much anyhow ? These are some things I've been thinking about after a life time of working in the health care field. Obviously I'm not genius and I'm not so delusional to think I have the answer to a monumentally complex problem. Just lookin' for some feedback from others that know what I don't so as to refien what I think the problems/solutions might be. #1 is that 'health insurance' is an illusion and it is not a true 'insurance policy' as say life insurance, with its actuary tables etc., is.
As I understand it: 'We bet, based on our actuary tables, you will live until the ripe old age of 75. At 'x' dollars per month premium, we will collect 'x' amount from you each year until we have to pay out when you reach the ripe old age of 75'. The consumer bets on a hunch that he/she will die prematurely and the company will py out 'x' amount of dollars because I pay them 'x' amount in premiums each month as agreed upon by both parties'.
How the hell is 'health insurance' in any way comparable ? Life insurance companies have a predictable risk. How can a health insurance company claim same and expect to stay in business ? If anyone bothers to read this and can help me out here with some answers I ask only that you respond with kindness - I risked a lot there LOL !!!

573 spiderx  Sun, Sep 6, 2009 8:38:25pm

re: #559 jayzee

Wouldn't it be great if you could have taken your insurance with you, or were permitted to buy, say, instead of full coverage, coverage for specific types of events? State regulations make that impossible.

no it wouldn't

wouldn't it be great though if every single working person paid into a non profit health insurance system and that system covered everyone for whenever they got sick or injured?

574 descolada9  Sun, Sep 6, 2009 8:43:53pm

Both Beck and Olberdork are giving me a headache. Maybe they'll get themselves suspended from their respective networks for a while.

HOPE!

575 mcnorman  Sun, Sep 6, 2009 9:14:00pm

tit for tat they say

576 jayzee  Sun, Sep 6, 2009 9:57:39pm

re: #573 spiderx

No.

577 BlackFedora  Sun, Sep 6, 2009 10:29:44pm

As much as I despise Glenn Beck's schtick. I don't know that I want to get on Keith Olbermann's side of this pissing match. If these two wiped out each other... I'd be a happy man.

578 Vanderleun  Sun, Sep 6, 2009 10:59:36pm

leftover,

Paragraphing is your friend. Brevity is your bigger friend.

579 cowbellallen  Sun, Sep 6, 2009 11:20:46pm

I'm willing to bet that any dirt on Glenn Beck would already be exposed.

On the other hand, it is pretty enjoyable to read all of the stories Keith Olbermann's ex-girlfriends have told.

580 JAT  Mon, Sep 7, 2009 4:50:40am

What Olbermann does not understand is that Obama is an elected official, and is appointing Czars paid by our tax money, which may be unconstitutional, and Beck is just another hack on TV/radio.

Then we must look at Olbermann's viewers - most sit starry-eyed in front the Gov-TV with their little tinfoil hats sipping cool aide. Who knows what crackpot statements they will send in about Beck, and we know Olbermann will not have verified any of their loony tidbits.

Now I ask - why are you watching/listening to either one?

581 Ziggy  Mon, Sep 7, 2009 7:00:56am

So what? Beck's a recovering addict/alchy, I bet there's plenty of dirt. Olby can share it with his 12 viewers. And as others here have pointed out, he's not an elected official, or and appointed one for that matter. He's a self admitted rodeo clown (no offense to rodeo clowns).

582 Mr Spiffy  Mon, Sep 7, 2009 7:57:43am

re: #13 buzzsawmonkey

racist!
/

583 honestjay  Mon, Sep 7, 2009 9:33:51am

What Olbermann wants is a flame war between him and Glenn Beck to increase his (Olbermann's) ratings. He tried it with O'Reilly and O'Reilly didn't take the bait, but instead directs all of his responses back to the generic "NBC"]." Olbermann thinks that Beck is dumb enough to bite and he is probably right.

584 miggle's ghost  Mon, Sep 7, 2009 4:28:11pm

Olbermann is boring, boring, boring. Beck is entertaining but screechy, screechy, screechy.
Why someone who has a rating of .0001 and 250 viewers at a nest of fool farms is granted any ink by anyone is astounding to me.
Perhaps the gloves can come off of both Beck and Olbermann and they can meet at center ice somewhere without gloves or masks.
Where did Olbermann come from in the first place and why?
Beck, on the other hand, admits imperfections (unlike Squash Limburger and Sad Sean Hannipie).
It is pathetic the state this has come to with Disney, General Electric, Sumner Redstone, Rupert Murdock, fading Time Warner, and their fishwife friend, George Soros, all pretending that we watch their products with anything other than disdain.

585 JEA62  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 5:14:28am

Olberman's gone over the edge just like Back has. Christ, why don't they just hold a freakin' fight behind the studio to settle it? What are they, both in sixth freakin' grade?

586 JEA62  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 5:15:05am

To - alouette

Good luck on the wedding!!

PS - french wig???

587 RossM3838  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 8:59:59am

Olbermann's obsession with Fox News, Glenn Beck and Bill O Reilly is providing Fox with millions of dollars of publicity, but I worry about olbermann's psychiatric condition. He is in need of serious help. I suspect that its really just show business but this guy is nuts.

588 ThomasLite  Wed, Sep 9, 2009 9:42:55am

re: #572 leftover54

well, the risk is comparable, maybe not on a small scale but on the scale that insurance companies operate on it's all a matter of applying the law of large numbers and a heck of a lot of gathered statistics, applying a safety margin, administrative overhead and a profit margin, and presto.

as for your suggestion of trying to scare doctors out of going for a wealthy lifestyle, well, look at it from the other side. to make that kind of money, they have to be pretty damn good. nothing wrong with idealism (love it, but it's meaningless when it's done just 'cause there's no more profitable alternative) but there's a lot of people who actually work harder and better when it's rewarded (with cash, in this case) directly.

also, it's exactly like you put it. theres huge college loans, and a real risk of just not making it to the end. someone takes that risk, well there *should* be a payoff if he makes it to the end.

and also, it's safe to say someone who does it just for the cash won't ever get into medical practice -- that takes a bit more.

your suggestion scares me. it's a nice fairytale -- sounds positively lovely. but I'd say it would be a complete disaster if implemented.
that said, encouraging doctors to take up practice in less attractive fields or locations might be a good idea.
I don't however recall it being a real problem? is there really a dangerous shortage of specialists or rural doctors? oh well.


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