It's the subtext that's the problem!

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"Labor Day is very important to me!

Labor helped get me elected. Thank you Unions!"

-BHO

Labor is important to me too. Thank you to all the Mothers of the World.

I've made a horrifying discovery. If you remove every fifth word from Obama's speech, he's actually giving an EXACT DUPLICATE of Joseph Stalin's sekrit 1939 speech. He's clever, all right, but he can't put one over on me!

Why is he yelling?

re: #1 Sharmuta

It's the subtext that's the problem!

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Do you realize that labor spelled backwards means "rob Al!"

/

Labor Day, May Day, eh.
/

Imagine if the teleprompter got screwed up and he delivered the school address today to organized labor and the AFL-CIO address to the students instead.

LABOR day?! He’s speaking to the WORKERS? Obviously, it’s another sneaky commie plot! Just look at the hidden commie artwork on the Rockefeller Building — it shows... WORKERS!

Well to be clear, he's not speaking to "labor", he's speaking to "Labor", that is to say organized unions, one of his biggest constituencies.

re: #4 Charles

I've made a horrifying discovery. If you remove every fifth word from Obama's speech, he's actually giving an EXACT DUPLICATE of Joseph Stalin's sekrit 1939 speech. He's clever, all right, but he can't put one over on me!

Thanks Charles, that's what i was missing

It was real awful before the Democrats caused a huge collapse of the economy by making it possible for people without money to buy houses.

re: #6 Gus 802

Do you realize that labor spelled backwards means "rob Al!"

/

Who is Al and why do they want to rob him?

re: #5 midwestgak

Why is he yelling?

There is a school of thought that loudness indicates sincerity.

re: #12 Cathypop

Who is Al and why do they want to rob him?

Al Bundy, the everyman. /

TOTUS knows that he's gonna have to stroke some Labor big time because they are not happy with his decision to fold on the public option in his health care bill.
They still believe Pelosi, who insists there won't be a bill without it.
O's gonna have to prepare them for a letdown.

re: #5 midwestgak

Why is he yelling?

He's fired up today.

He's not wearing a tie just like that nice man from Iran never does.

Why is the President giving a labor speech in September?

Everybody knows that labor day is in May.

Damn revisionists.

re: #5 midwestgak

Why is he yelling?

don't ya know, the more you yell, the more ppl will pay attention to you...???
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re: #13 MikeySDCA

There is a school of thought that loudness indicates sincerity.

There's another school of thought that yelling at people will make them understand you. It's often used as a substitute for learning a foreign language.

Socialism!

re: #17 jhrhv

Is there a leisure suit? I haven't looked.

sleep...sleep...sleep...hand over all your money...sleep...sleep...

Now I'm seeing the right wing blogs complaining because the media are covering Van Jones' resignation, and pointing out that the controversy was completely ginned up by the right wing blogosphere, talk radio, and Glenn Beck.

Of course, it WAS completely ginned up by the right wing blogosphere, talk radio, and Glenn Beck. How dare the media point that out! Commies!

Has he already mentioned that Van Jones guy? I missed the start of the speech.

re: #12 Cathypop

Who is Al and why do they want to rob him?

To pay Peter back since his money went to Paul.

re: #18 kensei

Why is the President giving a labor speech in September?

Everybody knows that labor day is in May.

Damn revisionists.

By this time next May, there may not be anyone laboring in the United States anymore.

re: #21 Killgore Trout

Socialism!

No doubt. Suddenly, now, Labor Day is a controversy. Gee I wonder why.

Wow, the TOTUS is angry today.

and It's blaming Bush again for everything

re: #24 Charles

Now I'm seeing the right wing blogs complaining because the media are covering Van Jones' resignation, and pointing out that the controversy was completely ginned up by the right wing blogosphere, talk radio, and Glenn Beck.

Of course, it WAS completely ginned up by the right wing blogosphere, talk radio, and Glenn Beck. How dare the media point that out! Commies!

Why are they complaining? They're not proud of their handiwork or something?

re: #29 Shug

Wow, the TOTUS is angry today.

and It's blaming Bush again for everything

He doesn't look angry to me. I know, it's because I'm a commie.

'TOTUS' and 'it'? You're maybe 12?

re: #31 Charles

He doesn't look angry to me. I know, it's because I'm a commie.

He's got his fire and brimstone preacher accent going on today.

can I get an AMEN ?

re: #24 Charles

Now I'm seeing the right wing blogs complaining because the media are covering Van Jones' resignation, and pointing out that the controversy was completely ginned up by the right wing blogosphere, talk radio, and Glenn Beck.

Of course, it WAS completely ginned up by the right wing blogosphere, talk radio, and Glenn Beck. How dare the media point that out! Commies!

Just like I mentioned yesterday. The MSM will become there next topic of never ending grievances. They'll complain because they didn't cover whatever reasons they wanted them to cover. So the story line becomes: Glenn Beck forces Van Jones to quit. Etc.

re: #24 Charles

Now I'm seeing the right wing blogs complaining because the media are covering Van Jones' resignation, and pointing out that the controversy was completely ginned up by the right wing blogosphere, talk radio, and Glenn Beck.

Of course, it WAS completely ginned up by the right wing blogosphere, talk radio, and Glenn Beck. How dare the media point that out! Commies!

Its because the "right wing blogosphere" apparently, is the only group that cares that Obama has staffed his administration with self-proclaimed Communists and Marxists.

The mainstream media apparently doesn't care.

This isn't an indictment of the "Right wing blogosphere" but of the mainstream media. . .which apparently has largely ignored this story until after Van Jones' "resignation".

Yep. It's all lies. President Obama is the greatest enemy of communism of this or any generation!

Wait! What? The White House is celebrating the 60th Anniversary of the Communist Revolution in China? Really?

He's in an outside venue. What does one expect?

re: #33 Shug

He's got his fire and brimstone preacher accent going on today.

can I get an AMEN ?

Here comes the class warfare...

re: #24 Charles

Now I'm seeing the right wing blogs complaining because the media are covering Van Jones' resignation, and pointing out that the controversy was completely ginned up by the right wing blogosphere, talk radio, and Glenn Beck.

Of course, it WAS completely ginned up by the right wing blogosphere, talk radio, and Glenn Beck. How dare the media point that out! Commies!

Gads, what a surprise - they're covering the one aspect of that woeful tale that got the Right all fired up in the first place: the Troofer connection. Which is a demonstrable piece of crap.

As I predicted yesterday, the media will use this angle to hang the Right by it's own nutsack, and not give a single word of coverage to the many cogent and compelling reasons for ousting Jones.

All those hollers of "Woo Hoo! We won!" being tossed around yesterday are ringing awfully hollow.

The economy won't bubble and burst when I control your money. And I won't have to bail out banks once I owen them all.

re: #18 kensei

Why is the President giving a labor speech in September?

Everybody knows that labor day is in May.

Damn revisionists.

When you're a Marxist, EVERY day is "Labor" day.

re: #24 Charles

I have seen criticism of the Big Media for not reporting who Jones was/ what Jones had been saying sooner, the thought being that they could have saved their hero from going through the humiliation of picking him.
When did it get to be the MSM's job to vet?
Interesting thing to come out of this is it looks like Jones was never really Obama's man, he was Michelle's (and Valerie Jarrett's ) pick all along...

If you're in a union - chances are you're not very well educated.

Otherwise you'd have a better and higher paying job

re: #33 Shug

He's got his fire and brimstone preacher accent going on today.

can I get an AMEN ?

I like this version of Obama. He doesn't do the quiet thoughtful speech as well.

Stay in school and work hard. but if you are lazy or dropout, don't worry : I gotcha covered

re: #36 NukeAtomrod

Yep. It's all lies. President Obama is the greatest enemy of communism of this or any generation!

Wait! What? The White House is celebrating the 60th Anniversary of the Communist Revolution in China? Really?

Oh, for Pete's sake.

Who can they blame if HE fails? Hummm?

re: #45 Shug

Stay in school and work hard. but if you are lazy or dropout, don't worry : I gotcha covered

You can always get a government union job.

Hey, is Obama going to push for "card check" again?

re: #29 Shug

Wow, the TOTUS is angry today.

and It's blaming Bush again for everything

Oh brotherrr. I'm not at all surprised. I can't take the cadence and sound of his voice either without wincing or shooting the TV.

re: #43 DrNaughty

If you're in a union - chances are you're not very well educated.

Otherwise you'd have a better and higher paying job

its about 90% of the ppl, rest of us were in college

re: #27 SixDegrees

By this time next May, there may not be anyone laboring in the United States anymore.

May is when Mother's Day is, and we have Mothers because they go into labor and this is Labor Day. We fix the economy with more labor. Don't you see the grand plan? It's right in front of you, people!

/paranoia mode off

That shirt looks good on Obama. It's a nice shade of blue. I have one the same shade, but I'd have to say that color looks better on him than me.

So, it's the Dept. of LABOR not Management!

Debate is good I just don't care what you say.

re: #53 Pianobuff

That shirt looks good on Obama. It's a nice shade of blue. I have one the same shade, but I'd have to say that color looks better on him than me.

Blue collar workers - blue shirt..

re: #56 DrNaughty

Sleeves rolled up. Symbolism?

Why can't we just get back to putting food on our families?

Give me an AMEN!

Sounds like a fine speech to me, and it's the Right who ultimately ended up looking asinine in all of this.

However, we still must mention- originally the Department of Education sent out lesson plans that would ask the kids how they could "help the President." They changed it.

I could see where that could cause concern that his speech might have bordered on the political, or could suggest an agenda. Remember, the plan was changed after the furor (which I still believe was mis-placed).

Still, politically, it was the wrong move for the Right to lose their shit over this. The administration always seems to "take enough rope" on it's own without making the Right the focus. Best tactic would have been for them to keep their mouths shut.

re: #58 Diego

 

Why can't we just get back to putting food on our families?

 

huh?

re: #57 Killgore Trout

Sleeves rolled up. Symbolism?

Of course. it's all stagecraft..

"Their answer is to do nothing"
He has a damn fine point.

re: #4 Charles

I've made a horrifying discovery. If you remove every fifth word from Obama's speech, he's actually giving an EXACT DUPLICATE of Joseph Stalin's sekrit 1939 speech. He's clever, all right, but he can't put one over on me!

Agent Johnson! How can you betray your most terrible vows of secrecy? The Grand Inquisitor of the Supreme Illuminatus will not be pleased!

Ohhh, and your Zionist Overlords from Remulak say NO BAGEL!

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Now who is scaring who?

re: #56 DrNaughty

Blue collar workers - blue shirt..

His makeup looks off though - like it's been misapplied or wanting to run. Is it really hot there?

re: #36 NukeAtomrod

Yep. It's all lies. President Obama is the greatest enemy of communism of this or any generation!

Wait! What? The White House is celebrating the 60th Anniversary of the Communist Revolution in China? Really?

sarc tag right?

re: #66 Pianobuff

His makeup looks off though - like it's been misapplied or wanting to run. Is it really hot there?

He's wearing makeup?

re: #67 LudwigVanQuixote

That story was started by the Birch Society last week. Not kidding.

Trial balloon verbage

It would be cool if he used a chicago gangster accent for the speech

re: #63 Killgore Trout

"Their answer is to do nothing"
He has a damn fine point.

That's not true. John McCain ran on a platform which included health care reform. Reform does not mean socialized medicine. I'm sorry.

re: #63 Killgore Trout

"Their answer is to do nothing, as long as we ignore the half dozen or so proposals they've made"
He has a damn fine point.

ftfy

/

re: #65 midwestgak

Now who is scaring who?

Premiums will skyrocket if we don't reform health care.

re: #69 Killgore Trout

That story was started by the Birch Society last week. Not kidding.

And here it is at LGF! Gotta love it.

re: #68 DrNaughty

He's wearing makeup?

I'm pretty sure he usually does for camera stuff (e.g. addresses, etc.). I don't think it's unusual either.

Here he goes again saying he wants the "public option" for health insurance

I'd bet money he says the opposite in his speech to Congress

re: #72 jayzee

That's not true. John McCain ran on a platform which included health care reform. Reform does not mean socialized medicine. I'm sorry.

Yeah, and look at all of the support they gave McCain.

/Crickets.

re: #24 Charles

Now I'm seeing the right wing blogs complaining because the media are covering Van Jones' resignation, and pointing out that the controversy was completely ginned up by the right wing blogosphere, talk radio, and Glenn Beck.

Of course, it WAS completely ginned up by the right wing blogosphere, talk radio, and Glenn Beck. How dare the media point that out! Commies!

They seem to believe that our memories have half lives of minutes and our IQs are measurable in double digits.

re: #63 Killgore Trout

"Their answer is to do nothing"
He has a damn fine point strawman.

I hope he's drawing unemployment in 4 years

(Psst! Everyone who goes on television for any reason at all wears makeup.)

"Stop saying things that aren't true"

I'll cut waste and fraud...NOT!

And later I'll raise your taxes to 50% just like all the other nations with universal health care.

re: #69 Killgore Trout

That story was started by the Birch Society last week. Not kidding.

Oh dear G-d, yeah it is crazy enough for them. Just not for here I had hoped.

On a personal note, I find him very hard to listen too. I would have preferred Hillary. I'm not talking policy but affect.

re: #61 midwestgak

huh?

Food fight?

I can't wait to listen to this speech sped up tomorrow

;)

re: #67 LudwigVanQuixote

No- it's the next big bit of Ragefauxbia that will hit next. Obama is a commie because we're going to honor our debt masters.

There are serious issues going on in our policies with China, but lets be sure to ignore them and score cheap shot points on Obama. Never mind if we have to kiss Chinese ass because of larger concerns to this country. There's fauxrage to generate.

Workers of the World, Untie!

re: #83 Killgore Trout

"Stop saying things that aren't true"

physician heal thy self.

I'm a new member here and was curious about something.
How many comments does one have to post before they get a share of the big bucks George Soros paid to turn LGF into the mouthpiece of the Transnational Totalitarian Progressive Movement?
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re: #87 debutaunt

Food fight?

No, brainfart. President Brainfart to be exact.

I am freaking out!...
Wait, I think I'm just hungry.
Hello Lizards.

lo Dez

re: #94 DEZes

I am freaking out!...
Wait, I think I'm just hungry.
Hello Lizards.

hey Dez

re: #92 Reginald Perrin

I'm a new member here and was curious about something.
How many comments does one have to post before they get a share of the big bucks George Soros paid to turn LGF into the mouthpiece of the Transnational Totalitarian Progressive Movement?
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Are you crazy! Pipe down, before Ace gets wise.

re: #30 Sharmuta

Why are they complaining? They're not proud of their handiwork or something?

Butthurt, Sharm. They're wounded in their tender pride that people are pointing and laughing at them.

The problem is never that the moronosphere makes things up, or gets things wrong, or that wingnuts manufacture hysterical outrage out of nothing. The problem is ALWAYS that other people point it out.

re: #12 Cathypop

Who is Al and why do they want to rob him?

Al is the average Joe American. You can't call him Joe because 'eoj' doesn't spell anything in English. For proof, look at "Brother Can You Spare A Dime"--Say, don't you remember, they called me Al...

We are going to rob Al by raising his taxes, which is what happens when you stop using child labor and beating up workers with Federal troops when they refuse to go into dangerous coal mines.

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re: #89 Sharmuta

No- it's the next big bit of Ragefauxbia that will hit next. Obama is a commie because we're going to honor our debt masters.

There are serious issues going on in our policies with China, but lets be sure to ignore them and score cheap shot points on Obama. Never mind if we have to kiss Chinese ass because of larger concerns to this country. There's fauxrage to generate.

Yeah. It shows the greatest concern for America doesn't it?

re: #92 Reginald Perrin

42.

Funky time!

re: #101 Sharmuta

42.

wait, wait a min, is meaning of life = numbers of posts on LGF??
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re: #99 SanFranciscoZionist

Al is the average Joe American. You can't call him Joe because 'eoj' doesn't spell anything in English. For proof, look at "Brother Can You Spare A Dime"--Say, don't you remember, they called me Al...

We are going to rob Al by raising his taxes, which is what happens when you stop using child labor and beating up workers with Federal troops when they refuse to go into dangerous coal mines.

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Operation Rob Al

Sekrit

/

re: #43 DrNaughty

If you're in a union - chances are you're not very well educated.

Otherwise you'd have a better and higher paying job

Stupid ass post...
I helped build Nuclear Submarines for 20 years..Every fucking one of us were in a Union...You calling us not very well educated? Higher wages? I made a boat load of money.. You are being small minded and uneducated yourself.
Your best bet is not to reply to me...Cause you pissed me off pal.

re: #105 HoosierHoops

Stupid ass post...
I helped build Nuclear Submarines for 20 years..Every fucking one of us were in a Union...You calling us not very well educated? Higher wages? I made a boat load of money.. You are being small minded and uneducated yourself.
Your best bet is not to reply to me...Cause you pissed me off pal.

Well spoken Hoops.

It's getting really hard not to hate this guy.

Oops, updinged something by mistake. Reversed it down to a down ding.

re: #105 HoosierHoops

Stupid ass post...
I helped build Nuclear Submarines for 20 years..Every fucking one of us were in a Union...You calling us not very well educated? Higher wages? I made a boat load of money.. You are being small minded and uneducated yourself.
Your best bet is not to reply to me...Cause you pissed me off pal.

You weren't able to negotiate your own wages with your employer?

His cadence/accent seems to be changing as the speech goes on.

re: #82 Charles

(Psst! Everyone who goes on television for any reason at all wears makeup.)

At least since Nixon.

re: #107 jhrhv

It's getting really hard not to hate this guy.

Let the hate go ffs

re: #69 Killgore Trout

That story was started by the Birch Society last week. Not kidding.

I remember you telling someone that. IIRC- they didn't care.

And the point of the story is . . .?

Pretty soon he'll br dodging sniper fire!

re: #105 HoosierHoops

Stupid ass post...
I helped build Nuclear Submarines for 20 years..Every fucking one of us were in a Union...You calling us not very well educated? Higher wages? I made a boat load of money.. You are being small minded and uneducated yourself.
Your best bet is not to reply to me...Cause you pissed me off pal.

Eastern Airlines Pilots were also in a union.

Greenwood or Greenville?

be

re: #61 midwestgak

huh?

Famous Bush malapropism. "I know it's hard to put food on your families" or something like that.

re: #43 DrNaughty

If you're in a union - chances are you're not very well educated.

Otherwise you'd have a better and higher paying job

My mom was in IBEW. She was pre-med in Argentina. Speaks several languages, English, Spanish, French, German. She earned a her BS in psychology from Rugers and graduated at the top of her class. But she remained with IBEW.

You need to think before you type.

re: #114 midwestgak

I'll guess that the point is he never worked a real day in his life and going to a small town is the closest thing the can do to bring himself down to the level of us low life work a day shmucks.

re: #90 gander

Workers of the World, Untie!

You have nothing to lose but your chains!

Too lazy to wait for the open thread: This is very welcome news indeed. It shows that for all their accommodation to The Jihad, the British can still stand up to terrorism.

re: #119 iceweasel

Famous Bush malapropism. "I know it's hard to put food on your families" or something like that.

LOL. Thanks.

re: #111 SanFranciscoZionist

At least since Nixon.

If Nixon had worn a sponge on his forehead and upper lip during the debate with Kennedy, Nixon may have won the election!

re: #120 Gus 802

My mom was in IBEW. She was pre-med in Argentina. Speaks several languages, English, Spanish, French, German. She earned a her BS in psychology from Rugers and graduated at the top of her class. But she remained with IBEW.

You need to think before you type.

With all of her education and intelligence, why did she need to join union to be successful ?

re: #109 DrNaughty

You weren't able to negotiate your own wages with your employer?

I think that's talking point #4.

TOTUS now a stand up comic

re: #126 DrNaughty

With all of her education and intelligence, why did she need to join union to be successful ?

Don't go there buddy.

re: #122 iceweasel

You have nothing to lose but your chains!

Slaves of the world?

re: #109 DrNaughty

You weren't able to negotiate your own wages with your employer?

No I was too fucking stupid..I was too busy repairing Nuclear Reactors..
I'm guess the people that built the space shuttle are too stupid also...

re: #129 Gus 802

Don't go there buddy.

That's about the answer I expected...

re: #120 Gus 802

My mom was in IBEW. She was pre-med in Argentina. Speaks several languages, English, Spanish, French, German. She earned a her BS in psychology from Rugers and graduated at the top of her class. But she remained with IBEW.

You need to think before you type.

Pilots, engineers- highly trained, highly skilled people belong to unions.

re: #128 Shug

TOTUS now a stand up comic

What's this 'TOTUS'? 'Token'?? What is it?

re: #119 iceweasel

Famous Bush malapropism. "I know it's hard to put food on your families" or something like that.

Still in common use in my family. Mom to me "It's not a perfect job, I know, but I think you should take it, because times are hard and you need to be able to put food on your husband."

TOTUS, Hope you all enjoyed the show. I'll be on again tonight and tommorow. Don't forget to the try the fish.

/

re: #134 Diego

What's this 'TOTUS'? 'Token'?? What is it?

Teleprompter Of The United States

re: #92 Reginald Perrin

I'm a new member here and was curious about something.
How many comments does one have to post before they get a share of the big bucks George Soros paid to turn LGF into the mouthpiece of the Transnational Totalitarian Progressive Movement?
///

One post per day averaged over a thirty day month. i.e. fifteen posts the first day, fifteen posts the second, and you're good for the whole month. Make sure to ask for direct deposit.

re: #125 sattv4u2

If Nixon had worn a sponge on his forehead and upper lip during the debate with Kennedy, Nixon may have won the election!

How right you are.

I think he would have - I watched.

re: #131 HoosierHoops

No I was too fucking stupid..I was too busy repairing Nuclear Reactors..
I'm guess the people that built the space shuttle are too stupid also...

You mean without the threat of shutting down the plant if the mob didn't get what it wanted Nuclear Submarines wouldn't be built ?

re: #137 reine.de.tout

Teleprompter Of The United States

Thank you

re: #67 LudwigVanQuixote

sarc tag right?

I am poking a bit of fun at this thread. If we want to exaggerate the idea that a Labor Day speech makes Obama a sekrit commie. I thought it was appropriate to mention that he plans on flying the State Flag of a communist nation -- on the 60th anniversary of its founding -- at the White House. And that he hired several "czars" that have, at one time, been openly communist, socialist and/or proponents of forced sterilization.

But, of course, that's no cause for concern, because they've all hinted at the possibility that they've given up their radical positions, sort of. //

Don't forget to tip your waitress sandwich

re: #126 DrNaughty

Stupid. Most people, when they want to hire electricians, feel more comfortable going with union certified workers. Being in a union is job security for a lot of people vs. independent contracting.

Google: birch society china flag

Birch Society pushed that outrage on September 3rd. They were the first ones, this is where these stories are coming from.

re: #68 DrNaughty

Always, and I saw an interview where he said that makeup was his number one irritant... the thing that was most likely to make him get impatient and lose his temper.

re: #138 gander

One post per day averaged over a thirty day month. i.e. fifteen posts the first day, fifteen posts the second, and you're good for the whole month. Make sure to ask for direct deposit.

Better explain how karma cross-calculations work while you're at it.

re: #126 DrNaughty

With all of her education and intelligence, why did she need to join union to be successful ?

Moron. Learn something about the history of unions, and how they work, and then start insulting people's mothers. You sound like the guy they send around to tell the WalMart workers why joining a union would be really bad for them.

President motivational speaker. BWAHAHA!!!

Obama, the Mortal

By Charles Krauthammer
Friday, September 4, 2009

What happened to President Obama? His wax wings having melted, he is the man who fell to earth. What happened to bring his popularity down further than that of any new president in polling history save Gerald Ford (post-Nixon pardon)?

The conventional wisdom is that Obama made a tactical mistake by farming out his agenda to Congress and allowing himself to be pulled left by the doctrinaire liberals of the Democratic congressional leadership. But the idea of Harry Reid and Nancy Pelosi pulling Obama left is quite ridiculous. Where do you think he came from, this friend of Chávista ex-terrorist William Ayers, of PLO apologist Rashid Khalidi, of racialist inciter Jeremiah Wright?

But forget the character witnesses. Just look at Obama's behavior as president, beginning with his first address to Congress. Unbidden, unforced and unpushed by the congressional leadership, Obama gave his most deeply felt vision of America, delivering the boldest social democratic manifesto ever issued by a U.S. president. In American politics, you can't get more left than that speech and still be on the playing field.

In a center-right country, that was problem enough. Obama then compounded it by vastly misreading his mandate. He assumed it was personal. This, after winning by a mere seven points in a year of true economic catastrophe, of an extraordinarily unpopular Republican incumbent, and of a politically weak and unsteady opponent. Nonetheless, Obama imagined that, as Fouad Ajami so brilliantly observed, he had won the kind of banana-republic plebiscite that grants caudillo-like authority to remake everything in one's own image.

Accordingly, Obama unveiled his plans for a grand makeover of the American system, animating that vision by enacting measure after measure that greatly enlarged state power, government spending and national debt. Not surprisingly, these measures engendered powerful popular skepticism that burst into tea-party town-hall resistance.

Obama's reaction to that resistance made things worse. Obama fancies himself tribune of the people, spokesman for the grass roots, harbinger of a new kind of politics from below that would upset the established lobbyist special-interest order of Washington. Yet faced with protests from a real grass-roots movement, his party and his supporters called it a mob -- misinformed, misled, irrational, angry, unhinged, bordering on racist. All this while the administration was cutting backroom deals with every manner of special interest -- from drug companies to auto unions to doctors -- in which favors worth billions were quietly and opaquely exchanged.

"Get out of the way" and "don't do a lot of talking," the great bipartisan scolded opponents whom he blamed for creating the "mess" from which he is merely trying to save us. If only they could see. So with boundless confidence in his own persuasiveness, Obama undertook a summer campaign to enlighten the masses by addressing substantive objections to his reforms.

Things got worse still. With answers so slippery and implausible and, well, fishy, he began jeopardizing the most fundamental asset of any new president -- trust. You can't say that the system is totally broken and in need of radical reconstruction, but nothing will change for you; that Medicare is bankrupting the country, but $500 billion in cuts will have no effect on care; that you will expand coverage while reducing deficits -- and not inspire incredulity and mistrust. When ordinary citizens understand they are being played for fools, they bristle.

After a disastrous summer -- mistaking his mandate, believing his press, centralizing power, governing left, disdaining citizens for (of all things) organizing -- Obama is in trouble.

Oh, but don't you know your Republican mantra? Unions and minimum wage are turning America COMMUNIST!!!112

re: #101 Sharmuta

Hot Damn! I have spent 20 years trying to figure out the answer to the Ultimate Question of Life, the Universe, and Everything and today I finally found the answer.

Charles @ 97: Yes I'm crazy, spending two years whacking trolls has taken its toll on my sanity.

re: #138 gander

One post per day averaged over a thirty day month. i.e. fifteen posts the first day, fifteen posts the second, and you're good for the whole month. Make sure to ask for direct deposit.

We're non-union, so, you know...

re: #140 DrNaughty

You mean without the threat of shutting down the plant if the mob didn't get what it wanted Nuclear Submarines wouldn't be built ?

It's against the law for Government workers to strike...We were not a mob...
Just shut up now
I told you not to start replying to me..But I'm pretty sure some snark is coming..

re: #144 Sharmuta

Stupid. Most people, when they want to hire electricians, feel more comfortable going with union certified workers. Being in a union is job security for a lot of people vs. independent contracting.

The percent of union membership is dropping quite a bit?

Even though I have problems with many modern unions, I'm about to get some serious sand in my shorts.

Did I miss the president's comments on a Nuclear Iran?

FIRED UP

re: #148 SanFranciscoZionist

Moron. Learn something about the history of unions, and how they work, and then start insulting people's mothers. You sound like the guy they send around to tell the WalMart workers why joining a union would be really bad for them.

My grandfather, who was a carpenter, remembers the union goons that would come around the house and threaten him with physical violence if he refused to sign up.

Organized mobs, no more, no less, with the ability to intimate those who don't agree with them.

Or, in the case of Eastern Airlines. put them out of business. now THAT was a really smart move for the Unions...

re: #142 NukeAtomrod

I thought it was appropriate to mention that he plans on flying the State Flag of a communist nation -- on the 60th anniversary of its founding -- at the White House.

Insanity - unless we consider that he needs to kiss the Chicoms @sses as they now own us.

Not every union member wants to be there. I was forced to join Teamsters because my airline was based in a closed shop state.
They didn't do anything but dangle us like a charm to prove that they weren't all thugs, and take huge amounts of money from our paychecks.
Thank God and Greyhound, they're gone.

re: #92 Reginald Perrin

I'm a new member here and was curious about something.
How many comments does one have to post before they get a share of the big bucks George Soros paid to turn LGF into the mouthpiece of the Transnational Totalitarian Progressive Movement?
///

Reginald, as a new Lizard, permit me to explain.

LGF has two payment plans...

Option one is the Global Hidden Communist Revolutionary Front.

Duties include saying reasonable and factual things about Obama in order to prevent the secret truth of his Marxist agenda from being fully realized. You are to discount all Christians, free-thinking scientists who want the truth of ID revealed in honest debate and most importantly, you are to sing the Internationale loudly in the shower. You are also to support the environment in an effort to cripple the U.S. economy.

This is the "Hippie" plan. It has a hippie payment system. That is, no money, but you have the chance to date cute vegan chicks.

Option two is serving the Zionist Lords Of Remulak.

Here you support the take over of your species by the superior intelligence of Intergalactic Zionism. You do this by eating bagels and watching Sienfeld episodes (if you play them in reverse, you will receive your instructions). You must periodically say BWA HAA HAAA HAAA, and submit to a probe. 1 in 5 does not mind the probe so much.

There is a monthly Zionist paycheck of a nominal amount for basic services rendered. If you excel at your duties you will receive encrypted Matzos which give you opportunities for advancement.

The Zionist plan also give you the chance to date IDF women. IF they like you, you may not be shot for trying to get their attention.

re: #154 HoosierHoops

It's against the law for Government workers to strike...We were not a mob...
Just shut up now
I told you not to start replying to me..But I'm pretty sure some snark is coming..

PATCO .. 1981

re: #156 MandyManners

Even though I have problems with many modern unions, I'm about to get some serious sand in my shorts.

My ears are turning red..And I am about the most laid back person you will ever met

re: #144 Sharmuta

Stupid. Most people, when they want to hire electricians, feel more comfortable going with union certified workers. Being in a union is job security for a lot of people vs. independent contracting.

Not true. Commercail electrical contractors are by and large union shops. Mom and pop run independent electricians (the ones that typically come out to your house) are NION union unless they too do lots of commercial work

re: #150 Racer X

How many times have we seen this since Sept 4? I, for one, have yet to tire of re-reading it. Thank you.

re: #155 debutaunt

The percent of union membership is dropping quite a bit?

I have no idea. I know I worked at a non-union manufacturing facility where we had hired contractors for the electrical work- from the union. The facility had a strict non-union policy, but if you want electrical work done right- union certification gives that piece of mind. Since they were contracted we bypassed the non-union policy.

re: #163 HoosierHoops

My ears are turning red..And I am about the most laid back person you will ever met

Hoops, we each have a different union image in mind.

I've worked in a union for many years now. There is no difference to non union work other then you have to try harder to get fired .

Just like non union places there are good and bad workers. The 80-20 rule applies just like everyplace I've ever worked. 80% or the work done by 20% of the people.

re: #126 DrNaughty

With all of her education and intelligence, why did she need to join union to be successful ?

Who the hell do you think you are?

It's going to be free free free! Yeaaah! You'll never have to worry about anything again! Yeaaah! Bad memories.

I worked in a federal environment for 20 years where most everyone was unionized although it wasn't mandatory. Folks, you have no idea just how batshit-crazy unions are in this nation nowadays. I actually had a union leader way up on the food chain on a national level tell me flat out one time that life in America wouldn't be fair until 75% of the workers were employed by the federal government. That's a quote. I laughed as I thought he was kidding and he got angry with me. Really angry. He wasn't joking. The discussion got heated and he told me that if I wasn't with the plan, that maybe I should be elsewhere...filled with what Mr. Spock refers to as "colorful metaphors."

It was at that exact moment about 15 years ago that led me to leave all the security and guarantees and invest every cent I had to my name, risk it all, and start my own businesses. I sometimes regret my two decades in that environment and think of it as time wasted, etc., but it worked out for the best in the long run. In fact, I probably wouldn't be having the career I could have only dreamed about 20 years ago had that incident not happened.

re: #160 tradewind

Not every union member wants to be there. I was forced to join Teamsters because my airline was based in a closed shop state.
They didn't do anything but dangle us like a charm to prove that they weren't all thugs, and take huge amounts of money from our paychecks.
Thank God and Greyhound, they're gone.

i had same issue, and our big boss had to override union, so i would get a raise, considering i had an education and was making way less money who ppl who worked in different departments with out even finishing high school

re: #163 HoosierHoops

My ears are turning red..And I am about the most laid back person you will ever met

Maybe time to push back from the desk, go grab a cold one and chill?

re: #163 HoosierHoops

My ears are turning red..And I am about the most laid back person you will ever met

I was about to lose it here.

re: #162 DrNaughty

There's a special place that's hot for that guy who led the controllers down that destructive path. I still see his pasty face.
ALPA tried to warn them. Some of them listened.

re: #116 DrNaughty

Eastern Airlines Pilots were also in a union.

what are you saying? That commercial airline pilots aren't educated?

re: #158 DrNaughty

My grandfather, who was a carpenter, remembers the union goons that would come around the house and threaten him with physical violence if he refused to sign up.

Organized mobs, no more, no less, with the ability to intimate those who don't agree with them.

Or, in the case of Eastern Airlines. put them out of business. now THAT was a really smart move for the Unions...

Learn something about the history. No one here is completely uncritical of organized labor, but you sound like a schmuck when you insist unions are unnecessary, and insult people who belong to them.

re: #162 DrNaughty

PATCO .. 1981

What about it? What do you really know about the famous PATCO strike?
My pops worked for the FAA for 32 years 3 months...
Teach me something

re: #105 HoosierHoops

Stupid ass post...
I helped build Nuclear Submarines for 20 years..Every fucking one of us were in a Union...You calling us not very well educated? Higher wages? I made a boat load of money.. You are being small minded and uneducated yourself.
Your best bet is not to reply to me...Cause you pissed me off pal.

Damn straight.

re: #145 Killgore Trout

Google: birch society china flag

Birch Society pushed that outrage on September 3rd. They were the first ones, this is where these stories are coming from.

Notice that from the John Birch Society, it went straight to Free Republic.

re: #164 sattv4u2

I fail to see how you refuted anything of what I said.

re: #135 SanFranciscoZionist

Still in common use in my family. Mom to me "It's not a perfect job, I know, but I think you should take it, because times are hard and you need to be able to put food on your husband."

That's hilarious! So cute...

My favourite Bushism:
"Too many good docs are getting out of the business. Too many OB-GYNs aren't able to practice their love with women all across this country." —Poplar Bluff, Mo., Sept. 6, 2004

heh.

re: #175 Shug

what are you saying? That commercial airline pilots aren't educated?

They were educated enough to push Eastern out of business. And put themselves in the unemployment line... Real intelligent...

re: #180 Sharmuta

I fail to see how you refuted anything of what I said.

Most people, when they want to hire electricians, feel more comfortable going with union certified workers.

Homeowners (most people) hire independent electricians, not big usnion shops to do their home electrical repairs

re: #126 DrNaughty

With all of her education and intelligence, why did she need to join union to be successful ?

Is there a reason for being such a troll? I mean seriously, do you really think that all union workers are commies or something (where do you think that blue dogs come from)? Or are you just trying to be a total prick?

re: #182 DrNaughty

They were educated enough to push Eastern out of business. And put themselves in the unemployment line... Real intelligent...

Unless you apologize right away for insulting people's mothers and calling everyone who belongs to a union stupid, your account is going to be history.

Your choice.

re: #177 HoosierHoops

What about it? What do you really know about the famous PATCO strike?
My pops worked for the FAA for 32 years 3 months...
Teach me something

So much for government unions not striking.

re: #179 Charles

Notice that from the John Birch Society, it went straight to Free Republic.

It used to go through Lew Rockwell, Alex Jones, Stormfront and the Paulians first. The route from nuts to mainstream conservatives is getting shorter.

re: #181 iceweasel

That's hilarious! So cute...

My favourite Bushism:
"Too many good docs are getting out of the business. Too many OB-GYNs aren't able to practice their love with women all across this country." —Poplar Bluff, Mo., Sept. 6, 2004

heh.

The thing with Bushisms was, you could always take apart what he said and see what the idea had been--but two different ways of phrasing it would run together, and produce something a little--weird.

re: #145 Killgore Trout

Google: birch society china flag

Birch Society pushed that outrage on September 3rd. They were the first ones, this is where these stories are coming from.

I can't log on. I think you crashed the JBS site.

re: #185 Charles

Unless you apologize right away for insulting people's mothers and calling everyone who belongs to union stupid, your account is going to be history.

Your choice.

Apology given. End of subject.

re: #161 LudwigVanQuixote

Here you support the take over of your species by the superior intelligence of Intergalactic Zionism. You do this by eating bagels and watching Sienfeld episodes (if you play them in reverse, you will receive your instructions). You must periodically say BWA HAA HAAA HAAA, and submit to a probe. 1 in 5 does not mind the probe so much.

Literally laughed out loud. Hard!

I must say that everyone who is right-of-center being preemptively characterized as a "wing nuts" is a bit off-putting. I'm not personally impressed, or disturbed that Obama is making a speech on Labor Day; its what presidents do, particularly Democrat presidents. Whatever.

Being right-of-center does not make you a facist any more than being left-of-center a Communist.

re: #183 sattv4u2

And a lot of those folks still get certified by the unions.

re: #175 Shug
I don't know about all the airlines, but by the time my husband was hired in the seventies, a college degree was a requirement for new-hire pilots.

re: #190 DrNaughty

Apology given. End of subject.

No, it's not the end. You need to apologize to the ones you insulted, not just issue a sullen little remark like that.

re: #186 DrNaughty

So much for government unions not striking.

Charles, please do kill this troll.

re: #119 iceweasel

Famous Bush malapropism. "I know it's hard to put food on your families" or something like that.

All Bush malaprops in one poem...

[Link: www.snopes.com...]

re: #182 DrNaughty

It was the mechanics and ground crew who wouldn't settle. The pilots didn't exactly help, but they weren't the final straw.
Most of them found out the hard way and went to other airlines. We had a lot of new Eastern and Braniff first officers who had been senior captains... tough lesson to learn.

re: #75 Charles

"That story was started by the Birch Society last week. Not kidding."

And here it is at LGF! Gotta love it.

Now wait just a minute here. This story was linked on Drudge directly to China Daily. Are you suggesting that the Birchers planted the story there? I have no idea what the Birchers opinion on this is, and neither do I care.

The China Daily story speaks for itself. The White House will fly the Chinese State Flag on the 60th anniversary of the Communist Revolution there.

Does the USA take a stand for freedom around the world or not? Would Ronald Reagan or John F. Kennedy have flown the Chinese flag at the White House on such an occasion?

re: #191 iceweasel

Literally laughed out loud. Hard!

You are a good agent. You get a special bagel.

TO those that think being in a Union indicates that you are less intelligent and on the low end of the income range...Unionized chemical plant workers in the Houston area are making $32/hour. With 10% overtime and shift differential that 75 big ones a year. That puts you in the top quartile of US family incomes.

re: #182 DrNaughty

(Just realized that wasn't very clear... I meant that a lot of former captains for EAL and BNF became copilots at our airline.)

re: #182 DrNaughty

They were educated enough to push Eastern out of business. And put themselves in the unemployment line... Real intelligent...

bullshit

re: #193 Sharmuta

And a lot of those folks still get certified by the unions.

I'm sorry Sharm, thats just not correct. The samll independent "mom and pop" electricians, the ones you find in the yellow pages to do your everyday home electrical work does NOT get certified by a union

re: #43 DrNaughty

If you're in a union - chances are you're not very well educated.

Otherwise you'd have a better and higher paying job

I've been in several unions through the course of my life. In every case, education had nothing to do with the decision of membership.

re: #43 DrNaughty

If you're in a union - chances are you're not very well educated.

Otherwise you'd have a better and higher paying job

Yes. My wife is a member of the American Federation of Musicians. Uneducated all, except for the numerous Master's and PhD's in performance, theory, composition &c.

Beware the broad brush!

re: #192 MacDuff

I must say that everyone who is right-of-center being preemptively characterized as a "wing nuts" is a bit off-putting. I'm not personally impressed, or disturbed that Obama is making a speech on Labor Day; its what presidents do, particularly Democrat presidents. Whatever.

Being right-of-center does not make you a facist any more than being left-of-center a Communist.

You know what, I don't consider everyone right of centre to be a wingnut. Wingnut is a badge that has to be earned, by espousing wingnutty things. I'm not employing it as an all purpose smear against everyone on the right.

Much like moonbat should be applied only to the way-out people on the left, IMO.

Maybe if the MSM had reported that Obama was appointing a communist nutbar in an unaccountable position of power in the first place, other nutbars wouldn't have scored their victory by tieing him to the truthers.

Chesley "Sully" Sullenberger III---uneducated union pilot

/

re: #190 DrNaughty

Apology given. End of subject.

That wasn't very smart.

re: #207 iceweasel

You know what, I don't consider everyone right of centre to be a wingnut. Wingnut is a badge that has to be earned, by espousing wingnutty things. I'm not employing it as an all purpose smear against everyone on the right.

Much like moonbat should be applied only to the way-out people on the left, IMO.

Or by sending a progressive pictures of your butt :)

re: #205 Danny

It's a specious argument. There are some careers where union membership is not an optional thing. Pilots' unions include people with Phds, MDs, and Jds, and there are unions for screenwriters, actors... etc. Newspapers...too many to count.

Useless trivia. Under the current arrangement, today (the seventh of September) is the latest possible date that "Labor Day" can occur.

Sometimes we get fired up and talk past each other.

re: #209 Shug

LOL exactly...

re: #200 LudwigVanQuixote

You are a good agent. You get a special bagel.

I try to be good. But when I'm bad I'm even better.
And I'll do anything for a bagel from my overlords!

DrNaughty: I was NOT kidding. I don't make idle threats. This is the last warning I'm giving you.

So DrNaughty is now running silent...what a wuss.

Que les riches paient,faisons payer les riches!

Maybe he's gone to pee.

re: #207 iceweasel

You know what, I don't consider everyone right of centre to be a wingnut. Wingnut is a badge that has to be earned, by espousing wingnutty things. I'm not employing it as an all purpose smear against everyone on the right.

Much like moonbat should be applied only to the way-out people on the left, IMO.

Amen.
There are many rational lizards for example. Both ends of the political spectrum.
I don't consider avanti for example to be a moonbat simply because he and I disagree on political ideaology. He's a cool guy whom I happen to disagree with. Same can be said for most folks here. That's why I like it

re: #219 Big Steve

So DrNaughty is now running silent...what a wuss.

As of 30 seconds ago the Dr was still logged in.

re: #195 Charles

No, it's not the end. You need to apologize to the ones you insulted, not just issue a sullen little remark like that.

HoosierHoops - and to anyone else who was offended by my comment.

I apologize for any insulation that I made about you individually or any of yoru family members. It was not intended as a personal attack or degredation to you or any of your family members or anyone else. My view of labor unions is quite clear, as my family has had bad dealings with them in the past That is my view of the organizations.

However, I do not wish to insult anyone personally with those beliefs, as I do not know you or your circumstances.. If I did so, please accept this apology and we shall end this topic as agreeing to disagree

There's unions and there's unions. They're not all identical. For about 20 years I worked for a Fortune 500 company (forest products) where there were also were many non-union contractors. We had a fairly good relationship with the corporation. The conflicts would arise when local managers would fool around with the agreements to cut costs, and their doings were many times repudiated by higher level management as counter-productive. Our union came up with a plan that I thought was very innovative. We competed directly with contractors for contracts on the same terms they were offered. Very complex, but labor learned about hidden costs and what it really takes to run a business. It was up to each crew to accept or reject the individual contracts (a contract for each crew and each job) and decide where, if their production merited it, the profits were allocated, i.e. wages or benefits. It was pretty successful, quite a few of our Canadian counterparts came down to study it. It was realized that in the modern world the corporation needed a return on their investment greater than say just sticking it in a bank or buying bonds. About half the crews were able to adapt and compete with all comers, the others took a buyout. And the wages were pretty good for blue collar too, 20-30 an hour in the 80's, and justified by extra production and extra quality. The corporation liked it as they were able to cut direct management and focus more on quality control. Unions are not identical.

I'm good with Obama making speeches, he should do more of them & less proposing of legislation.

re: #223 midwestgak

As of 30 seconds ago the Dr was still logged in.

It does take a while to craft a statement.

re: #217 iceweasel

I try to be good. But when I'm bad I'm even better.
And I'll do anything for a bagel from my overlords!

As was stated previously, 1 in 5 kind likes the probe...

re: #212 Walter L. Newton

Or by sending a progressive pictures of your butt :)

heh. Good to see you, Walter. ;)

re: #116 DrNaughty

The best example... Aerospace controllers at NASA.
' Houston, We Have a Problem ' is not going to be answered by a dummy.

re: #206 austin_blue

Yes. My wife is a member of the American Federation of Musicians. Uneducated all, except for the numerous Master's and PhD's in performance, theory, composition &c.

Beware the broad brush!

Your wife is a musician? That's cool...My wife only knows how to play the radio.
/It's Country also which drives me insane
*wink*

re: #221 MandyManners

Maybe he's gone to pee.

Why did this make me think of you?
*WHACK*

re: #224 DrNaughty

I apologize for any insulation

Insulation is to slow heat transfer.

"insinuation" is the correct word.

re: #225 JHW

What a cool post. Thanks.

I had no idea there was a musicians union

re: #43 DrNaughty

Well, I'm in a union and not by choice. I find myself in this position after being downsized from a well paying job and I'm doing what I have to do. I'm anything but "pro union", and quite educated, thank you.

For you to make make a blanket statement brands YOU as uneducated and unaware, either by choice or ignorance. In view of that, please take this in the spirit that it's offered: FUCK YOU.

re: #235 Shug

I had no idea there was a musicians union

There is -- and it's possibly the most powerless union in America.

re: #197 AuntAcid

All Bush malaprops in one poem...

[Link: www.snopes.com...]

Make the pie higher!

re: #233 Ojoe

Easy mistake. C'mon.

re: #227 DrNaughty

It does take a while to craft a statement.

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

An open apology from Gen. Petraeus

If you need a kickstart this may prove worthy.

re: #226 Ojoe

He can propose all day long as far as I am concerned, as long as there is some sanity in Congress to dispose of it.
Seriously, I worry that we are leaving ourselves wide open as a country with all this bull shiite. There are serious, difficult problems ahead on the table but they are seemingly ignored in the face of school speeches and Cash for Clunkers.
/BTW, I'm replacing my fridge soon... is there gonna be a rebate/?

re: #197 AuntAcid

All Bush malaprops in one poem...

[Link: www.snopes.com...]

I love "Bushisms".
They remind me of how the Roi puts his sentences together sometimes, no one has a clue what he's talking about but he thinks he's been perfectly clear.

thanks for that link.

LABOR day?! He’s speaking to the WORKERS? Obviously, it’s another sneaky commie plot! Just look at the hidden commie artwork on the Rockefeller Building — it shows... WORKERS!

We’re doomed.

ROFL!!! You are killing me Charles. Better laugh than cry.

re: #237 Charles

There is -- and it's possibly the most powerless union in America.

Amen

re: #235 Shug

Can't get a song published any other way.
Well, I guess that's not strictly true, but pretty much.
Don't you remember the orchestra strikes on Broadway?

re: #241 tradewind

/BTW, I'm replacing my fridge soon... is there gonna be a rebate/?

I've heard that there is. The third world says, "THANK YOU, USA!"

re: #241 tradewind

But it is not the President's job according to the constitution, to propose legislation.

BBL

re: #247 Ojoe

But it is not the President's job according to the constitution, to propose legislation.

That's the Supreme's jobs!

re: #246 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Yippee! I'm gettin' a Subzero from Zero!

re: #232 DEZes

Why did this make me think of you?
*WHACK*

I'm beating the snot outta' that thing! I LOVE IT!

Thank!

IMO unions are a necessary component of the economy.
I do a lot of work with Unions & they are mostly great people, the vast
majotiy.
My only obection is some mob infiltration, particularly Teamsters, but that
has been cleaned up a lot.
I really object to SEIU thugs showing up as enforcers against any American citizens. SEIU has a bad name in the Labor Movement.

re: #227 DrNaughty

It does take a while to craft a statement.

And a thoughtful one too.

re: #237 Charles

There is -- and it's possibly the most powerless union in America.

Question: When you are a musician on a recording are you just paid rate or does your agent work it out? Let's say you go on the road..Is that just rate also?

re: #222 Shug

Amen.
There are many rational lizards for example. Both ends of the political spectrum.
I don't consider avanti for example to be a moonbat simply because he and I disagree on political ideaology. He's a cool guy whom I happen to disagree with. Same can be said for most folks here. That's why I like it

Yeah, I totally agree with you. I guess some people in the snarkosphere on the left might use wingnut to mean everyone on the right, but honestly the term is typically used to mean people practically everyone here would agree were wingnuts--regardless of our ideology. Just like I'd have no problem calling Code Pink moonbats.

And lizards are generally an exceptionally rational bunch, IMO. Regardless of our differences. And it's our differences that make this place rock.

But I'm just a hippie lib who wants us all to live in harmony...I dedicate this to the LGF community!

re: #245 tradewind

Can't get a song published any other way.
Well, I guess that's not strictly true, but pretty much.
Don't you remember the orchestra strikes on Broadway?

I thought that was a local New York thing and had more to do with the stage designers and that the musicians were refusing to cross the picket lines just to show them support.
But now I know otherwise

re: #247 Ojoe

I guess that old ' the president proposes, and Congress disposes ' was just somebody's idea of a good rhyme.

re: #156 MandyManners

Even though I have problems with many modern unions, I'm about to get some serious sand in my shorts.

I was never the biggest pro-union guy, but I realized that it was in my best interest, proffessionally, to join the NEA when I accepted my position as a Special Education teacher.
/Let DrNaughty's snarcasm commence ...

re: #232 DEZes

Why did this make me think of you?
*WHACK*

This is sick, evil, and truly demented. I like it.

Snark and sarcasm aside, government labor and labor unions kill business.
No communism involved.

I'm glad folks are starting to wake up to the fact.

re: #204 sattv4u2

You'll have to excuse me. I know of small shops that advertise they're licensed and certified. I'm sure some individuals don't bother with the unions, however- some do opt to go with the union because they provide all necessary training and certification. It's an easier route for some to take to get where they want to be in their careers to have union assistance.

re: #253 HoosierHoops

IIRC... There's scale (minimum wage for musicians in a Union gig) and there's stuff the more well known guys/gals get.

Is the TOTUS in a union?