Washington Times Editor: Obama Was Educated at Yale

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Washington Times editor emeritus Wesley Pruden rants about Obama’s speech to schoolchildren:

The president’s press spokesman Monday derided the parents’ protest as “an ‘Animal House’ food fight.” This sounds less like strategy than surrender. Mr. Obama was educated at Yale Law School, but a professor at Grinder Switch A&M could have told him that no matter how tempted he may be, a lawyer never insults the jury. The jury gets the last word.

Uh.

Just one little problem.

Obama went to Harvard Law School.

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753 comments
1 MrSilverDragon  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 11:04:55am

I just snorted coffee out of my nose from reading the headline.

TOTALLY worth it.

2 [deleted]  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 11:05:30am
3 Dayenu  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 11:06:24am

Didn't Bush go to Yale?

4 MandyManners  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 11:08:11am

Don't they have access to the Internet at the WT?

5 Sharmuta  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 11:08:19am

Fact checking is dead.

6 Ben Hur  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 11:08:32am

Nu?

7 Honorary Yooper  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 11:09:10am

I thought Obama went to Columbia then to Harvard Law School? Geroge W. Bush and Bill Clinton went to Yale.

8 Sharmuta  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 11:09:12am

re: #4 MandyManners

Don't they have access to the Internet at the WT?

If Cognito was here, he'd say that it's impossible for journalists to search the web for facts- there are just too many web sites.

(Yes- he really used this as an excuse once).

9 nature boy  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 11:09:28am

Pruden should be more prudent...

10 Honorary Yooper  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 11:09:32am

re: #5 Sharmuta

Fact checking is dead.

Was it ever really alive except in a few corners such as LGF?

11 HelloDare  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 11:10:01am

We've got a better chance of seeing Obama's Yale transcripts than we do seeing the ones from Harvard.

12 [deleted]  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 11:11:11am
13 Honorary Yooper  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 11:11:16am

You know, given where the past two presidents were educated, I'd suspect that some idiot journalist was lazy (what else is new?) and reused a part of another, older story about Buch and/or Clinton without remembing that Obama never went to Yale as those two did.

14 Spider Mensch  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 11:11:21am

isn't an inside ivy league dig at a Harvard man to mistakenly refer to his alma mater as Yale?

15 experiencedtraveller  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 11:11:35am

If I don't get to see his Yale Transcripts then his whole Presidency is suspect.

16 Racer X  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 11:11:38am

Yale / Islamabad, wherever.

/

17 Honorary Yooper  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 11:12:16am

re: #14 Spider Mensch

isn't an inside ivy league dig at a Harvard man to mistakenly refer to his alma mater as Yale?

No idea. Don't care for the Ivy League to being with.

18 darwin Akbar  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 11:12:30am

This should qualify this fellow for a job as public editor of the NY Times, assuming that he's ok with columnists plagiarizing blogs and having obvious conflicts of interest.

19 Ben Hur  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 11:12:46am

re: #5 Sharmuta

Fact checking is dead.

Do you believe that this was anything but a mistake, a misprint or oversight by an editor?

This rises to the level of "57 states?"

Again, I know what I believe about the Obama school speech episode, but this guys argument is not valid, and is threadworthy because he (or an editor) got the school wrong?

I'm not seeing something shadowing here.

20 Bagua  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 11:13:07am

No! It's true. Obama went to school at Harvard but he was "educated" at Yale during a weekend keg party.

/it's all true I tell you, chick my blog.

21 Guanxi88  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 11:13:10am

re: #14 Spider Mensch

maybe; everyone knows that Harvard has it's advantages, true enough, but as C. Montgomery Burns observed, Yale is the pick for gentlemanly club-life.

22 Anthony (Los Angeles)  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 11:13:16am
Just one little problem.

Obama went to Harvard Law School.

Mr. Howell and Lovey were worried for a moment there.

23 Coracle  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 11:13:31am

re: #11 HelloDare

We've got a better chance of seeing Obama's Yale transcripts than we do seeing the ones from Harvard.

Or his ORIGINAL birth certificate. Because it is so utterly monumentally essentially relevant.

24 Pianobuff  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 11:13:37am

Does this mean it's possible that Obama was in Skull & Bones?

Oh...and don't think it's a coincidence that this is all coming out today. It is 9/9/9 today and you know what happens if you turn that upside-down.

25 MandyManners  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 11:13:44am

re: #5 Sharmuta

Fact checking is dead.

Not here.

26 Guanxi88  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 11:14:03am

re: #24 Pianobuff

Does this mean it's possible that Obama was in Skull & Bones?

Oh...and don't think it's a coincidence that this is all coming out today. It is 9/9/9 today and you know what happens if you turn that upside-down.

Yeah, it's really hard to read your schedule.

27 MandyManners  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 11:14:12am

re: #8 Sharmuta

If Cognito was here, he'd say that it's impossible for journalists to search the web for facts- there are just too many web sites.

(Yes- he really used this as an excuse once).

He really thought we were stupid.

28 Spider Mensch  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 11:14:25am

re: #17 Honorary Yooper

No idea. Don't care for the Ivy League to being with.


not in that league myself, I'm remembering Charles Emerson Winchester in MASH...Yale? How dare you! I'm a Haavahd man!

29 Bagua  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 11:14:30am

re: #20 Bagua

Oops, forgot the blog link: www. insaneramblings.blogspot.com

30 Honorary Yooper  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 11:14:41am

re: #24 Pianobuff

Does this mean it's possible that Obama was in Skull & Bones?

Oh...and don't think it's a coincidence that this is all coming out today. It is 9/9/9 today and you know what happens if you turn that upside-down.

Not here it isn't. It's still 9/8/9. Tomorrow is 9/9/9.

31 Racer X  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 11:15:13am

re: #30 Honorary Yooper

Not here it isn't. It's still 9/8/9. Tomorrow is 9/9/9.

Fact check is alive and well!

32 MJ  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 11:15:47am

Not all Conservatives are nuts. Contentions (Commentary) posted this about Obama's speech:

The White House has posted the text of the remarks President Obama will give tomorrow to students across America. It is a lovely speech...


[Link: www.commentarymagazine.com...]

and this:

It is a pretty wonderful speech, Obama’s controversial address to America’s schoolchildren, and is, I would say, quite remarkably nonideological...

[Link: www.commentarymagazine.com...]

33 HelloDare  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 11:15:55am

Fire the lowly fact checker.

34 Pianobuff  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 11:16:09am

re: #30 Honorary Yooper

Not here it isn't. It's still 9/8/9. Tomorrow is 9/9/9.

Ummm... the error was an intentional part of the post...

35 Ringo the Gringo  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 11:16:14am

I would guess that Wesley Pruden knows that President Obama went to Harvard but simply goofed when he typed this, just like people who know better often misspeak and say Iran when they mean Iraq (or vice versa).

36 [deleted]  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 11:16:22am
37 MandyManners  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 11:16:28am

re: #19 Ben Hur

Do you believe that this was anything but a mistake, a misprint or oversight by an editor?

This rises to the level of "57 states?"

Again, I know what I believe about the Obama school speech episode, but this guys argument is not valid, and is threadworthy because he (or an editor) got the school wrong?

I'm not seeing something shadowing here.

What makes this horrific is that it's an EDITOR. Also, stories/columns go through a few layers of fact-checking. Why did no one catch this?

38 Sharmuta  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 11:16:38am
Mr. Obama was educated at Yale Harvard Law School, but a professor at Grinder Switch A&M could have told him that no matter how tempted he may be, a lawyer never insults the jury. The jury gets the last word.

The problem with this argument is "the jury" (parents) didn't even give the opportunity to let the argument be posed on which to judge. If the jury gets the "last word", it follows that there should be a first word. If the first word is ignored, there is no point in a last word. It was the jury behaving as judge and executioner by killing the process before it had begun that is ridiculous here. Not the press secretary at the White House.

39 lawhawk  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 11:17:00am

Yale. Harvard. Yawn.

40 Guanxi88  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 11:17:02am

re: #37 MandyManners

What makes this horrific is that it's an EDITOR. Also, stories/columns go through a few layers of fact-checking. Why did no one catch this?

Do YOU wanna be the one to tell the Boss he screwed up?

41 Desert Dog  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 11:17:05am

re: #36 buzzsawmonkey

I recently opened a Fact Checking account at my bank. If there is not in fact enough money in the account, they won't honor the check.

I tried to cash in my Czech and they called the police...

42 Bagua  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 11:17:16am

I demand Obama stop the secret coverup and immediately release his college transcripts from Yale!

43 Honorary Yooper  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 11:17:52am

re: #37 MandyManners

What makes this horrific is that it's an EDITOR. Also, stories/columns go through a few layers of fact-checking. Why did no one catch this?

What's amazing is how many stories make it through those layers without proper fact checking. Hell, they can't even use fricking spell check on far too many stories!

44 lawhawk  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 11:18:03am

re: #37 MandyManners

What makes this horrific is that it's an EDITOR. Also, stories/columns go through a few layers of fact-checking. Why did no one catch this?

Editorials normally don't - as witnessed by the repeated failures of the NYT op-eds ad editorials to contain facts.

45 Ben Hur  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 11:18:23am

re: #32 MJ

Not all Conservatives are nuts. Contentions (Commentary) posted this about Obama's speech:

[Link: www.commentarymagazine.com...]

re: #37 MandyManners

What makes this horrific is that it's an EDITOR. Also, stories/columns go through a few layers of fact-checking. Why did no one catch this?

It's the press.

Why would it be any different in this case?

They got his college wrong.

Call me when they name a security guard as the prime subject in a Olympic bombing.

THAT would be a mistake.

46 Racer X  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 11:18:25am

re: #36 buzzsawmonkey

I recently opened a Fact Checking account at my bank. If there is not in fact enough money in the account, they won't honor the check.

Open a Fat Check account. It only works if someone else gives you a Fat Check.

47 Buck  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 11:18:26am

He got cionfused between the President and Van Jones (who is from Yale).

Well, you can hardly blame him...

48 HelloDare  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 11:18:30am
Washington Times editor emeritus Wesley Pruden.

Doesn't emeritus mean that you're sort of retired and only write an occasional important piece. New title: stupitus

49 _RememberTonyC  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 11:18:31am

What does a yale grad call a harvard grad?

Boss

50 MandyManners  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 11:19:27am

re: #40 Guanxi88

Do YOU wanna be the one to tell the Boss he screwed up?

I did it quite a few times. Ego must be secondary to accuracy.

51 CommonCents  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 11:19:31am

re: #36 buzzsawmonkey

I recently opened a Fact Checking account at my bank. If there is not in fact enough money in the account, they won't honor the check.

O Contrere! If the check is small enough (less than the NSF fee) they will honor the check and then ding you for the fee. That's called profit.

52 Ben Hur  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 11:19:35am

Ah.

Editor emeritus.

Well, those emritii don't really do anything.

But still, he got the school wrong. Is that such a biggie?

53 [deleted]  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 11:19:40am
54 Sharmuta  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 11:19:41am

re: #19 Ben Hur

I think the argument is flawed- there's that point we could discuss. Well- I tried to anyways, perhaps no one cares about the flawed logic.

55 MandyManners  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 11:20:11am

re: #44 lawhawk

Editorials normally don't - as witnessed by the repeated failures of the NYT op-eds ad editorials to contain facts.

That's a flawed practice.

56 Honorary Yooper  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 11:20:14am

re: #53 buzzsawmonkey

I'm sorry, we're calling those "plus-sized" now.

I could use a "plus-sized" account.

57 reloadingisnotahobby  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 11:20:16am

Toga!
Toga!
Toga!
Toga!
Oh boy!This is gonna be GREAT!!!

58 Ben Hur  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 11:20:53am

re: #57 reloadingisnotahobby

Toga!
Toga!
Toga!
Toga!
Oh boy!This is gonna be GREAT!!!

That was Dartmouth.

59 Guanxi88  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 11:20:59am

re: #50 MandyManners

I did it quite a few times. Ego must be secondary to accuracy.

Well, dealing with the egomaniacs who've had the honor of telling me what to do, I've learned to let them have their way; being right is an expensive luxury.

60 MandyManners  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 11:21:07am

re: #45 Ben Hur

It's the press.

Why would it be any different in this case?

They got his college wrong.

Call me when they name a security guard as the prime subject in a Olympic bombing.

THAT would be a mistake.

What I'm saying is that this was such a small error yet so obvious that there is no excuse for it to have made it out of the newsroom.

61 reloadingisnotahobby  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 11:21:08am

re: #51 CommonCents

You said PROFIT!!
You kiss your kids with that same mouth???
///

62 VioletTiger  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 11:21:15am

They TRIED to fact check, but got this instead.

63 SixDegrees  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 11:21:18am

re: #35 Ringo the Gringo

I would guess that Wesley Pruden knows that President Obama went to Harvard but simply goofed when he typed this, just like people who know better often misspeak and say Iran when they mean Iraq (or vice versa).

So, he doesn't bother proofreading his submissions? And his editors don't, either?

I mean, when I make posts here that contain factual information, I nearly always check it before posting; it only takes seconds, and it's worth it to spend that tiny amount of time rather than spend far more time later correcting myself - and suffering the embarrassment of posting something so demonstrably wrong.

This article was just that - an article, submitted for publication in a nationally known newspaper. It wasn't a blog post or an informal email or an off-the-cuff comment at the water cooler. It's an egregious mistake made by someone who writes for a living, gets paid to do so, and whose employer likewise makes their living via the written word. The stench of unprofessionalism is enough to make one's eyes water.

64 Racer X  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 11:21:22am

Charles, we could really use a "Fact Check" button right next to the "reply" and "quote" buttons.

Thanks

65 Bob Dillon  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 11:21:27am

Once again another media wank displays their arrogance and ignorance.

Are we really surprised? But is is laughable.

66 HelloDare  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 11:21:34am

re: #52 Ben Hur

Ah.

Editor emeritus.

Well, those emritii don't really do anything.

But still, he got the school wrong. Is that such a biggie?

No. Only if you're a conservative or went to an ag school

67 itellu3times  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 11:21:40am

Where was Gibbs edumacated?

I totally don't get the "Animal House Food Fight" meme.

68 reloadingisnotahobby  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 11:21:58am

re: #58 Ben Hur

What's your point!!
Toga!
Toga!
LOL

69 Honorary Yooper  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 11:22:05am

re: #57 reloadingisnotahobby

Toga!
Toga!
Toga!
Toga!
Oh boy!This is gonna be GREAT!!!

Over? Did you say "over"? Nothing is over until we decide it is! Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor? Hell no!

70 Ben Hur  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 11:22:06am

re: #60 MandyManners

What I'm saying is that this was such a small error yet so obvious that there is no excuse for it to have made it out of the newsroom.

I'm waiting for the throbbing editorial.

One with Harvard. One with Yale.

71 [deleted]  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 11:22:27am
72 SixDegrees  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 11:22:32am

re: #40 Guanxi88

Do YOU wanna be the one to tell the Boss he screwed up?

Do you want to be the one who admits to overlooking it when the entire world starts laughing at the boss?

73 itellu3times  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 11:23:08am

re: #36 buzzsawmonkey

I recently opened a Fact Checking account at my bank. If there is not in fact enough money in the account, they won't honor the check.

Yes they will, for a hefty charge, and happily.

/so much for the facts, jack.

74 [deleted]  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 11:24:19am
75 BARACK THE VOTE  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 11:24:22am

My god, Obama went to Yale? That's a well-known bastion of commie ideals and socialisticmatasic indoctrination. They even have a sooper seekrit society called "Skull and Bones", where the children of the hippie elite gather to some a bone.

I know it's true, because that well known socialist totalitarian liberal fascist hippie George W Bush went there! And that crazy hippie William F Buckley!

We need a Drudge siren on this!

76 Sharmuta  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 11:25:47am
The president’s press spokesman Monday derided the parents’ protest as “an ‘Animal House’ food fight.” This sounds less like strategy than surrender.

What this sounds like is projection. It's the right that surrendered by having no agenda, by thinking their children are mindless, and resorting to lies and distortions to discredit their opponents. That's certainly not a strategy- it's suicidal.

77 Honorary Yooper  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 11:26:10am

re: #75 iceweasel

My god, Obama went to Yale? That's a well-known bastion of commie ideals and socialisticmatasic indoctrination. They even have a sooper seekrit society called "Skull and Bones", where the children of the hippie elite gather to some a bone.

I know it's true, because that well known socialist totalitarian liberal fascist hippie George W Bush went there! And that crazy hippie William F Buckley!

We need a Drudge siren on this!

That socialist totalitarian liberal fascist hippie William Jefferson Clinton also went to Yale. :-P

78 Cato  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 11:26:34am

Yale Law AND Harvard Law are both madrassas teaching the preeminence of the legal system.

79 Pianobuff  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 11:26:46am

re: #71 buzzsawmonkey

The "Editor Omertus" knows to keep his mouth shut.

And here are the 10 Commandments:

1. No one can present himself directly to another of our friends. There must be a third person to do it.
2. Never look at the wives of friends.
3. Never be seen with cops.
4. Don't go to pubs and clubs.
5. Always being available for Cosa Nostra is a duty - even if your wife is about to give birth.
6. Appointments must absolutely be respected.
7. Wives must be treated with respect.
8. When asked for any information, the answer must be the truth.
9. Money cannot be appropriated if it belongs to others or to other families.
10. People who can't be part of Cosa Nostra: anyone who has a close relative in the police, anyone with a two-timing relative in the family, anyone who behaves badly and doesn't hold to moral values.

80 [deleted]  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 11:27:02am
81 Bob Dillon  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 11:28:08am

re: #27 MandyManners

He really thought we were stupid.

I've been in drive by mode for most of the last few months - was here for the first ban and reinstatement - now from your tense he got the stick again? Sorry I missed that one.

82 CommonCents  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 11:28:13am

re: #80 MikeySDCA

We mujst never lose sight of the fact that Gibbs is an idiot.

And if we do, just look at him again.

83 MandyManners  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 11:28:46am

re: #70 Ben Hur

I'm waiting for the throbbing editorial.

One with Harvard. One with Yale.

Throbbing Elis?

84 Guanxi88  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 11:29:10am

re: #83 MandyManners

Throbbing Elis?

Sound like an Amish punk band.

85 MJ  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 11:30:10am

More disconcerting, at least to me, than whether the Washington Times got Obama's law School wrong, is how the New York Times, a paper significantly more important the the Washington Times, keeps on not reporting the news:

Why did the press ignore the Van Jones scandal?

[Link: www.washingtonexaminer.com...]

Of course, the NYT has a history of not reporting news: Stalin, Castro, and the Holocaust all come to mind.

86 MandyManners  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 11:30:37am

re: #81 Bobibutu

I've been in drive by mode for most of the last few months - was here for the first ban and reinstatement - now from your tense he got the stick again? Sorry I missed that one.

Oh, yes. He got whacked most completely.

87 itellu3times  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 11:30:52am

Comments on the site already mention Harvard ... nobody reading them? Nobody caring?

88 badger1970  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 11:30:54am

There's no good excuse for this. It's like the right is down by three touchdowns and they begin to purposely throw it to the opposing team. *smacks head*

89 nordink  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 11:31:30am

I think Pruden's "rant," despite its embarrassing factual error, is right on the money. I especially agree with this part:


This will be a crucial test of the teleprompter. The usual platitudes, empty eloquence and a reworking of earlier great moments in presidential grandiloquence won't cut it. Congress will be waiting for genuine specifics about how he expects to "reform" health care, and the public will be waiting with more than a little skepticism.

The speech to schoolchildren, while not overly objectionable or proselytizing, did sound to my ears like a campaign speech. The campaign has been won, Mr. Obama. Not it's time for specifics!

90 Ben Hur  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 11:31:48am

re: #88 badger1970

There's no good excuse for this. It's like the right is down by three touchdowns and they begin to purposely throw it to the opposing team. *smacks head*

This will cost the GOP the mid-terms.

91 Sharmuta  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 11:32:38am

re: #89 nordink

What are you talking about?! The speech sounded like a speech any motivational speaker would give.

92 Sol Berdinowitz  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 11:32:44am

And I still don't know why I never got into Harverd...

93 Killgore Trout  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 11:32:47am

re: #85 MJ

Why did the press ignore the Van Jones scandal?


It was on the front page of CNN, MSNBC, fox, cbs, etc all weekend.

94 Pianobuff  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 11:33:04am

Wesley Pruden must be having some memory issues. Below is an article from April's Jewish World Review where he gets it right. What the heck happened?

The insults were only for America

The president's critics ought to lighten up. We should give him credit for not knowing any better. (He was "finished" and "polished" at Harvard, after all.) Barack Obama is an accident of history, a street hustler from the South Side of Chicago with the gift of gab who landed on the world stage like a whale beached at the whim of a storm, the wrong man at the right time...

95 Cato  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 11:33:18am

re: #92 ralphieboy


R U a capitalist?

96 Guanxi88  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 11:33:28am

re: #91 Sharmuta

What are you talking about?! The speech sounded like a speech any motivational speaker would give.

Well, except for the hand-washing bit. Everything else, though, your standard, boring speech.

97 BARACK THE VOTE  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 11:33:32am

re: #77 Honorary Yooper

That socialist totalitarian liberal fascist hippie William Jefferson Clinton also went to Yale. :-P

We're through the looking glass, people!

Teh troof is out there!

98 Bagua  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 11:34:07am

I put a deposit on a billboard add:

Where's the Yale Transcript Mr. President?

This should shake things up.

99 opnion  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 11:34:10am

re: #88 badger1970

There's no good excuse for this. It's like the right is down by three touchdowns and they begin to purposely throw it to the opposing team. *smacks head*

THe Dems are not doing so well, the republicans win all generic polls.
There should ber a minimum 20 seat shift in the House & Dodd & Wright are going down in the Senate.

100 jpkoch  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 11:34:34am

Actually the President went to Harvard Law, before that he did graduate work at Columbia, and he received his under-graduate degree from Occidental.

101 [deleted]  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 11:34:46am
102 midwestgak  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 11:34:59am

re: #92 ralphieboy

You don't know nothin' 'bout double negatives.

103 Cato  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 11:35:03am

re: #89 nordink


It is easy to sell ice cream. It is hard to sell rum raisin ice cream.

104 Occasional Reader  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 11:35:22am

I'm with Ben Hur. Okay, he mixed up Harvard with Yale. Dumb mistake. But where's the beef?

105 Sharmuta  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 11:36:00am

re: #104 Occasional Reader

I'm with Ben Hur. Okay, he mixed up Harvard with Yale. Dumb mistake. But where's the beef?

It's pretty crappy logic, imo.

106 badger1970  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 11:36:06am

re: #99 opnion

I used a bad analogy. The left is reeling a bit but still in control and the right when seeming have the momentum turn it their direction does something irrational and outright dumb.

107 CommonCents  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 11:37:04am

Anyone catch the dear leader speech to the AFL-CIO yesterday afternoon? The drooling dues payers who would rather force jobs overseas by demanding $27.00/hr for putting a light bulb in the dashboard were enthralled by O bestowing all of America's past glory on the labor movement.

I didn't see and haven't had the opportunity to read today's speech, but yesterday's was a real winner.

108 lostlakehiker  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 11:37:06am

The Washington Post: Obama has an uncheckered past.
The Washington Times: Obama has an unfactcheckered past.

109 Desert Dog  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 11:37:22am

re: #99 opnion

THe Dems are not doing so well, the republicans win all generic polls.
There should ber a minimum 20 seat shift in the House & Dodd & Wright are going down in the Senate.

If this time next year, the economy is still stalling like it is now and Obama has manged to pass big chunks of his agenda, the Democrats will lose even more seats. It is very typical for the sitting President to lose seats in the midterms.

110 opnion  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 11:37:38am

re: #104 Occasional Reader

I'm with Ben Hur. Okay, he mixed up Harvard with Yale. Dumb mistake. But where's the beef?

Particularly about a guy who thinks that there are 59 states.

111 SixDegrees  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 11:37:39am

re: #104 Occasional Reader

I'm with Ben Hur. Okay, he mixed up Harvard with Yale. Dumb mistake. But where's the beef?

Wherever the beef may be, it's now tainted beef thanks to this screwup.

112 Charles Johnson  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 11:38:24am

re: #85 MJ

More disconcerting, at least to me, than whether the Washington Times got Obama's law School wrong, is how the New York Times, a paper significantly more important the the Washington Times, keeps on not reporting the news:

Why did the press ignore the Van Jones scandal?

[Link: www.washingtonexaminer.com...]

Of course, the NYT has a history of not reporting news: Stalin, Castro, and the Holocaust all come to mind.

The press did NOT ignore the Van Jones scandal. It was all over the news. This complaint is complete nonsense.

113 subsailor68  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 11:38:29am

In other news, Montana Senator Max Baucus has an idea:

Up to $3,800 fine for failure get health insurance

Hmmm, from the comments there, it doesn't appear folks are quite on board with ol' Max.

What a shock.

Not.

114 Occasional Reader  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 11:39:00am

re: #105 Sharmuta

It's pretty crappy logic, imo.

Could be. But the Yale/Harvard switch is a trivial, if embarrassing, mistake.

115 Bagua  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 11:39:05am

What more disturbing facts are we going to learn about this President?

For all we know he might have even visited France!!!

116 [deleted]  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 11:39:10am
117 Gus  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 11:39:45am

Washington Times still "printing" junk I see. And:

Wesley Pruden is editor emeritus of The Washington Times

118 opnion  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 11:39:48am

re: #106 badger1970

I used a bad analogy. The left is reeling a bit but still in control and the right when seeming have the momentum turn it their direction does something irrational and outright dumb.

There is enough dumness to go around with both parties, but the Dems right now are bleeding support. The Independents are breaking the other way.

119 BARACK THE VOTE  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 11:39:50am

re: #85 MJ

More disconcerting, at least to me, than whether the Washington Times got Obama's law School wrong, is how the New York Times, a paper significantly more important the the Washington Times, keeps on not reporting the news:

Why did the press ignore the Van Jones scandal?

[Link: www.washingtonexaminer.com...]

Of course, the NYT has a history of not reporting news: Stalin, Castro, and the Holocaust all come to mind.

That is utter shite. The Holocaust was front page news in the NYT, as it was basically everywhere.

I'll happily join in with you if you want to condemn the NYT for giving Maureen Dowd column space, or for the Jayson Blair scandal, or for shitty reporting on a host of issues-- but let's not leap off the diving board into BizarroWorld, ok? please.
It makes it too easy for people to dismiss legitimate criticism when other critics make shit up.

120 Dreader1962  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 11:39:54am

Well, I suppose if the nutjobs say he was born in Kenya, he must be lying about going to Harvard as well.

/(shouldn't be necessary, but we do have a 'diverse' community here...)

121 subsailor68  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 11:40:02am

re: #116 buzzsawmonkey

Gettin' raucous with Baucus?

To the Max, dude!

122 jpkoch  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 11:40:15am

Well, strictly speaking, the President has an academic resume that most would drool over. However, the President graduated from Harvard Law almost 20 years ago. Since then, he pretty much has ticket punched his way to the White House. Yes, he can manage a political campaign. But so could President Clinton and Karl Rove. Other than campaigning and writing 2 autobiographies what else has he done?

123 idioma  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 11:40:17am

I won't believe Obama went to any law school until I get to see his full transcripts!

Where's your transcript "Mr. Transparency"?

///

*GASP* Sorry, I just had to fight off a nirther who snagged my keyboard.

124 Sharmuta  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 11:40:34am

Where's the beef?

The president’s press spokesman Monday derided the parents’ protest as “an ‘Animal House’ food fight.” This sounds less like strategy than surrender.

Again- projection. The right has no strategy but distortions and rageafauxbia.

Mr. Obama was educated at Yale Harvard Law School, but a professor at Grinder Switch A&M could have told him that no matter how tempted he may be, a lawyer never insults the jury. The jury gets the last word.

Again- the jury doesn't get the last word because they decided to take the first word by blocking the argument all together.

Crappy logic is my beef.

125 Sharmuta  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 11:41:16am

re: #114 Occasional Reader

Could be. But the Yale/Harvard switch is a trivial, if embarrassing, mistake.

OK- well, get stuck on that point then.

126 Occasional Reader  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 11:41:17am

re: #38 Sharmuta

The problem with this argument is "the jury" (parents) didn't even give the opportunity to let the argument be posed on which to judge. If the jury gets the "last word", it follows that there should be a first word. If the first word is ignored, there is no point in a last word. It was the jury behaving as judge and executioner by killing the process before it had begun that is ridiculous here. Not the press secretary at the White House.

I think you are misunderstanding the analogy.

Voters = "jury", because they get the "last word", come election time.

127 Desert Dog  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 11:41:24am

re: #122 jpkoch

Well, strictly speaking, the President has an academic resume that most would drool over. However, the President graduated from Harvard Law almost 20 years ago. Since then, he pretty much has ticket punched his way to the White House. Yes, he can manage a political campaign. But so could President Clinton and Karl Rove. Other than campaigning and writing 2 autobiographies what else has he done?

Spent a trillion dollars on a fake stimulus bill, that is quite an accomplishment.

128 Ojoe  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 11:41:32am

If the mainstream media were engineers, buildings would collapse and dams would break.

129 Charles Johnson  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 11:41:47am

re: #122 jpkoch

Well, strictly speaking, the President has an academic resume that most would drool over. However, the President graduated from Harvard Law almost 20 years ago. Since then, he pretty much has ticket punched his way to the White House. Yes, he can manage a political campaign. But so could President Clinton and Karl Rove. Other than campaigning and writing 2 autobiographies what else has he done?

Yeah, what a loser. Who does he think he is, the President or somethi...

Oh, wait.

130 reloadingisnotahobby  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 11:42:10am

re: #122 jpkoch

That's a rhetorical question,Yes?
Because ...Nothing comes to mind...Nope! I got nothin!

131 Pianobuff  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 11:42:17am

re: #119 iceweasel

That is utter shite. The Holocaust was front page news in the NYT, as it was basically everywhere.

I'll happily join in with you if you want to condemn the NYT for giving Maureen Dowd column space, or for the Jayson Blair scandal, or for shitty reporting on a host of issues-- but let's not leap off the diving board into BizarroWorld, ok? please.
It makes it too easy for people to dismiss legitimate criticism when other critics make shit up.

Out of curiosity, what are your thoughts on the NYT story about John McCain and his little blond helper that ran last year?

132 Bear  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 11:42:24am

re: #129 Charles

re: #128 Ojoe

Some do.

133 Sharmuta  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 11:42:32am

re: #126 Occasional Reader

I think maybe you are. The opening line specifies parents.

134 Guanxi88  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 11:42:46am

re: #128 Ojoe

If the mainstream media were engineers, buildings would collapse and dams would break.

I think that's a bit unfair:

It's far more likely that the buildings would block rivers, and the storm doors on the dams wouldn't lock properly.

135 Racer X  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 11:42:50am

You think that is bad?

Woman beaten to death at China WAL-MART for shoplifting

BEIJING — A woman in eastern China was allegedly beaten to death by five employees of a Wal-Mart store who accused her of shoplifting, a police report and state media said Tuesday.
Police have arrested two employees from the store in Jiangxi province, while three others are being investigated, Jingdezhen city police said in a report on their website.

According to the report, the woman was beaten outside her home near the Wal-Mart on August 30 and died in a city hospital on Wednesday last week from injuries suffered during the beating.

Police said the five Wal-Mart employees had stopped the woman in the street and demanded to see her receipt, but she refused because she could not verify their identities, it said.

136 BARACK THE VOTE  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 11:43:07am

re: #118 opnion

There is enough dumness to go around with both parties, but the Dems right now are bleeding support. The Independents are breaking the other way.

Yeah, they're all flocking to the party that makes up shit and outrage out of nothing every day.

i realise this is a comforting fantasy, but the fact that people may be disenchanted with Obama doesn't translate into them supporting the GOP, especially so long as the GOP is making itself 'Teh Party Of Crayzee"

137 Ojoe  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 11:43:14am

re: #113 subsailor68

That is a bad idea, I wouldn't be able to afford pizza & gasoline with a fine like that & the economy would plunge further.

138 CommonCents  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 11:43:40am
Mr. Obama was educated at Yale Law School

If Obama lied on his resumee is that grounds for dismissal? Just askin'.

139 MJ  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 11:45:04am

re: #119 iceweasel

That is utter shite. The Holocaust was front page news in the NYT, as it was basically everywhere.

I'll happily join in with you if you want to condemn the NYT for giving Maureen Dowd column space, or for the Jayson Blair scandal, or for shitty reporting on a host of issues-- but let's not leap off the diving board into BizarroWorld, ok? please.
It makes it too easy for people to dismiss legitimate criticism when other critics make shit up.

For a full account of the Times Holocaust coverage, I suggest:

Buried by the Times: The Holocaust and America's Most Important Newspaper

[Link: www.amazon.com...]

140 Occasional Reader  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 11:45:06am

re: #133 Sharmuta

I think maybe you are. The opening line specifies parents.

Yes, who are the specific voters at issue in this case. His point is that the White House spokesmen were foolish in using insulting language to respond to the parent protesters. They need not have. I think that particular point is a good one, even if it's also the case that much ado was made by conservatives about the (relative) nothing of this speech.

141 experiencedtraveller  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 11:45:07am

re: #138 CommonCents

If Obama lied on his resumee is that grounds for dismissal? Just askin'.

No, but your misspelling of resume is grounds for a horse whipping.

Now, assume the position...

142 Killgore Trout  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 11:45:15am

Hot Air Green Room is the new Daily Kos: "Schools is Socialism"
Daily effects of indoctrination

We have done a long series on bulletin boards on this campus...
The latest incarnation, above, is a series of messages exhorting us to be “building an antiracist SCSU together” along with a series of small notes in pen. Gone is the art; only slogans remain. Here are a few:

This one in the upper left — “Cooperate, DON’T Compete” — caught my eye, and I discussed it in class. One of the lessons economics teaches is that cooperation is the result of competition... It is utterly remarkable how economically illiterate that comment was.
...
So we will pass on a “legacy of love” and not a legacy of knowledge. That’s what’s more important here
...I worry about what kinds of students we are creating.

143 jpkoch  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 11:45:27am

re: #112 Charles


Yes, once the WH took notice, and yes, once Jones himself resigned.The question that is on everyone's mind is why didn't any of the major newspapers pick up on Jones et als before hand?

What if John McCain won the election and appointed Glenn Beck to head a task force to investigate the mental health industry? It's not too much of a leap to imagine that being front page material from day one.

144 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 11:45:52am

re: #138 CommonCents

If Obama lied on his resumee is that grounds for dismissal? Just askin'.

You are welcome to vote for dismissal in 2012. We all are.

145 Desert Dog  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 11:46:03am

re: #128 Ojoe

If the mainstream media were engineers, buildings would collapse and dams would break.

Most them would be leaning so hard to the left, gravity would take care of any design problems.

146 lawhawk  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 11:46:08am

re: #55 MandyManners

That's a flawed practice.

It's institutional. And you're right. But they're not going to change, because agenda setting is far more important than getting the facts right.

147 CommonCents  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 11:46:24am

re: #141 experiencedtraveller

No, but your misspelling of resume is grounds for a horse whipping.

Now, assume the position...

I only used the double ee because I was too lazy to look up the funky e with a `.

148 Sharmuta  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 11:47:38am

re: #140 Occasional Reader

Yes, who are the specific voters at issue in this case. His point is that the White House spokesmen were foolish in using insulting language to respond to the parent protesters. They need not have. I think that particular point is a good one, even if it's also the case that much ado was made by conservatives about the (relative) nothing of this speech.

I'm pretty sure the food fighters won't be voting for Obama even without this "insult".

149 Bob Dillon  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 11:48:18am

re: #122 jpkoch

Well, strictly speaking, the President has an academic resume that most would drool over. However, the President graduated from Harvard Law almost 20 years ago. Since then, he pretty much has ticket punched his way to the White House. Yes, he can manage a political campaign. But so could President Clinton and Karl Rove. Other than campaigning and writing 2 autobiographies what else has he done?

Voted "present".

150 Charles Johnson  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 11:49:11am

re: #143 jpkoch

Yes, once the WH took notice, and yes, once Jones himself resigned.The question that is on everyone's mind is why didn't any of the major newspapers pick up on Jones et als before hand?

Because it was being hyped by blogs like Gateway Pundit that are so far off the rails, no journalist with any sense would want to get close to it.

151 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 11:49:21am

re: #147 CommonCents

I only used the double ee because I was too lazy to look up the funky e with a `.

I despise lazy people. I would say more but coming up with more words would take effort.

//

152 Occasional Reader  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 11:50:03am

re: #141 experiencedtraveller

No, but your misspelling of resume is grounds for a horse whipping.

One of my favorite Cole Porter tunes! "Resume the Résumé"

//

153 Bagua  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 11:50:05am

re: #145 Desert Dog

Most them would be leaning so hard to the left, gravity would take care of any design problems.

Don't be so sure, Locker posted a link today proving the media "doesn't even pretend to include liberal views"

Who Knew?

154 opnion  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 11:50:42am

In another example of accuracy, BhO shared with Bob Coatas at the All Star game that he remembers going to see the White Sox play at old
'Kominskey Park." Surprising because everyone else went to Comiskey Park.

155 Occasional Reader  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 11:51:45am

re: #150 Charles

Because it was being hyped by blogs like Gateway Pundit that are so far off the rails, no journalist with any sense would want to get close to it.

Sorry, that's no excuse. Jones' outlandish statements and beliefs were easily discoverable through simple net searches; including video/audio, not just repeated rumors at WorldNet or something. To the extent the MSM did not follow up, they fell down on the job (or perhaps, sat down).

156 BARACK THE VOTE  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 11:51:56am

re: #131 Pianobuff

Out of curiosity, what are your thoughts on the NYT story about John McCain and his little blond helper that ran last year?

Crappy. I honestly do not care about the personal lives of politicians or their sexual indiscretions. I don't want to know and I resent such stories being talked about.

In the case of Sanford, i think it made sense, because the guy did literally desert his duties for a few days.

In the case of pols who are homophobic and preach 'family values', and legislate against equal rights for gay people, I do think it's relevant to report when they're caught soliciting gay sex etc.

But as for McCain, although I did not like him (and I started out liking him, I liked him tons in 2000) -- I had the same reaction I always do when these things hit the media: I look at the wife standing by her man with this fixed and glazed expression, and I think of their kids, and I am furious that the wife's pain and the private pain of the children is now exposed to the nation.
None of our business, IMO. Don't care what party it is or how much I like or dislike the politician.

157 Gus  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 11:52:12am

re: #142 Killgore Trout

Hot Air Green Room is the new Daily Kos: "Schools is Socialism"
Daily effects of indoctrination

Are they for real? They're criticizing one sticker that said: “building an antiracist SCSU together”?

Do they realize what they're saying by criticizing that?

158 Dainn  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 11:53:06am

The fact that a Harvard grad made it to the presidency is proof positive that the sekrit Skull and Bones society is losing their edge.

159 Pianobuff  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 11:53:11am

re: #150 Charles

Because it was being hyped by blogs like Gateway Pundit that are so far off the rails, no journalist with any sense would want to get close to it.

I've been wondering about this. Since it wasn't really being covered, why did Van Jones resign anyway? I've read lots of opinion on the left that felt this should have been ignored since it wasn't getting any kind of broad play in the MSM, yet it wasn't. Any theories why?

160 kcladderman  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 11:53:15am

re: #153 Bagua

Don't be so sure, Locker posted a link today proving the media "doesn't even pretend to include liberal views"

Who Knew?

I even had a guy tell me the other day that Bush was elected because that is who the media wanted elected.

161 Occasional Reader  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 11:53:49am

re: #148 Sharmuta

I'm pretty sure the food fighters won't be voting for Obama even without this "insult".

And I'll note that President Bush refrained from using insulting language (at least in public) to refer to even the nuttiest "anti-war" moonbats during his two terms. Which of the two methods do you find more dignified?

162 [deleted]  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 11:54:16am
163 Creeping Eruption  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 11:54:20am

re: #158 Dainn

The fact that a Harvard grad made it to the presidency is proof positive that the sekrit Skull and Bones society is losing their edge.

Skull and Bones on the decline while Balls and Shaft is on the rise.

/

164 jpkoch  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 11:55:01am

re: #129 Charles


So, he can campaign well. He was the beneficiary of some great luck as well. Between 1989 and 2007 what exactly did he accomplish that could set him apart from any of his peers? After Harvard, did he clerk for any of prestigious judges or justices? Oh yes, he became a Community Organizer. Don't need a Harvard Law degree for that. Did he toil in the very competitive world of corporate or criminal law? Nope. Did he serve and distinguish himself in any of major departments of the Executive Branch (ie Justice or the FBI?). Nope. Did he write anything in any of the major law reviews that anyone is aware of? Nope. Funny how his wasted whatever talents and education he received at Harvard. No, the President went straight into the Community Organizer field and ingratiated himself with the infamous Cook County political machine. Without this machine there is no way he would have gotten his seat in the Illinois State House, or got the Democratic nod for the vacant US Senate seat.

165 subsailor68  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 11:55:44am

A little more info on the Baucus plan to forced folks to buy insurance or be fined:

Baucus Plan

It includes this little gem:

As a way to pay for the package, Baucus is proposing a 35 percent excise tax on insurance companies for high-cost plans -- defined as those above $8,000 for individuals and $21,000 for family plans.

Let's see, Baucus is going to pay for forcing people to purchase insurance by taxing people - who buy insurance? Hmmm, so now the program is underway, and the folks with the "high-cost" plans say "bite me" and drop back to lower cost coverage.

Oops, there goes that revenue stream! Now what, Max?

166 Honorary Yooper  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 11:55:54am

re: #160 kcladderman

I even had a guy tell me the other day that Bush was elected because that is who the media wanted elected.

I heard much the same from another guy, a while ago, long before I found LGF. Of course, this guy was so insanely batshit nuts that he thought a freeway being built through his town was a conservative conspiracy just to destroy his little suburb.

167 KingKenrod  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 11:56:21am

re: #150 Charles

Because it was being hyped by blogs like Gateway Pundit that are so far off the rails, no journalist with any sense would want to get close to it.

For 2 days. Van Jones's hiring was announced on March 10. So that's 6 months the MSM yawned over Van Jones. Even LGF busted Jones radical connections.

168 Occasional Reader  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 11:56:46am

re: #164 jpkoch

Between 1989 and 2007 what exactly did he accomplish that could set him apart from any of his peers?

Well, he did get elected to the Senate.

(That said, I agree at least in part with your broader point, and this of course was a very legitimate theme during the presidential campaign; Obama had never really had to RUN anything.)

169 Pianobuff  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 11:56:53am

re: #156 iceweasel

Crappy. I honestly do not care about the personal lives of politicians or their sexual indiscretions. I don't want to know and I resent such stories being talked about.

In the case of Sanford, i think it made sense, because the guy did literally desert his duties for a few days.

In the case of pols who are homophobic and preach 'family values', and legislate against equal rights for gay people, I do think it's relevant to report when they're caught soliciting gay sex etc.

But as for McCain, although I did not like him (and I started out liking him, I liked him tons in 2000) -- I had the same reaction I always do when these things hit the media: I look at the wife standing by her man with this fixed and glazed expression, and I think of their kids, and I am furious that the wife's pain and the private pain of the children is now exposed to the nation.
None of our business, IMO. Don't care what party it is or how much I like or dislike the politician.

Up-ding as much for your remarks on Sanford as anything else. That guy really bothers me.

I can't tell from your remarks about McCain whether you thought he had something going on with the woman or not. Much of the criticism of the NYT story was from those that felt that there was no "there" there. Did you think there was a "there" there?

170 lawhawk  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 11:57:05am

re: #159 Pianobuff

I've been wondering about this. Since it wasn't really being covered, why did Van Jones resign anyway? I've read lots of opinion on the left that felt this should have been ignored since it wasn't getting any kind of broad play in the MSM, yet it wasn't. Any theories why?

Here's why - from both perspectives:

From the right - because where there's smoke, there's fire, and the trooferisms were just the tip of the iceberg. He fell on his sword to avoid further controversy and fallout for the Administration at a bad time.

From the left - he caved to right-wing thuggery. He should have stood his ground. It shows that the Administration can't play rough and ready with the right-wing.

The truth? Probably a combination of the above - the trooferism was the least of Jones' problems, and Obama and the WH knew that this could derail Obama's major policy address this week, even if the media wasn't covering it - because the chattering classes were talking it up, even if the media wasn't. Media agenda setting isn't what it once was - for better and worse. Had it been better, they would have addressed Jones' radical background more substantively before he was picked to be Obama's adviser.

171 lawhawk  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 11:58:02am

re: #165 subsailor68

Oh, it's much more entertaining than that. Any taxes on the insurance companies are going to be passed through to the consumer. The company isn't going to incur those higher taxes.

172 subsailor68  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 11:58:04am

re: #165 subsailor68

On "taxing people" I do realize the plan talks about taxing the insurance companies, but gee, those wouldn't be passed along to the consumer now would they? Gosh no!

//

173 Bob Dillon  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 11:58:40am

Meanwhile ... back at the ranch.

[Link: thehill.com...]

Senate must raise debt ceiling above $12T

The Senate must move legislation to raise the federal debt limit beyond $12.1 trillion by mid-October, a move viewed as necessary despite protests about the record levels of red ink.

The move will highlight the nation’s record debt, which has been central to Republican attacks against Democratic congressional leaders and President Barack Obama. The year’s deficit is expected to hit a record $1.6 trillion.

Democrats in control of Congress, including then-Sen. Obama (Ill.), blasted President George W. Bush for failing to contain spending when he oversaw increased deficits and raised the debt ceiling.

“Washington is shifting the burden of bad choices today onto the backs of our children and grandchildren,” Obama said in a 2006 floor speech that preceded a Senate vote to extend the debt limit. “America has a debt problem and a failure of leadership.”

Obama later joined his Democratic colleagues in voting en bloc against raising the debt increase.

Now Obama is asking Congress to raise the debt ceiling, something lawmakers are almost certain to do despite misgivings about the federal debt.

We now return you to the great Yale/Harvard controversy.

Thank you for your time.

174 Charles Johnson  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 11:59:13am

re: #155 Occasional Reader

Sorry, that's no excuse. Jones' outlandish statements and beliefs were easily discoverable through simple net searches; including video/audio, not just repeated rumors at WorldNet or something. To the extent the MSM did not follow up, they fell down on the job (or perhaps, sat down).

I didn't say it was an "excuse." The furor over Van Jones started at Gateway Pundit when he dug around on a Truther site. Any journalist who went to check on this story would have seen that -- along with batshit insane (and often bigoted) posts about "Dear Leader Hussein," pictures of the Hitler Youth, and comments that read like the stuff mental patients write on toilet paper.

Then it was picked up by Glenn "the Rockefeller Building has sekrit commie messages" Beck.

The mainstream media absolutely do tilt left, but the Van Jones controversy isn't evidence of that. It's evidence of how freaking crazy the right wing has gotten.

175 subsailor68  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 11:59:14am

re: #171 lawhawk

Oh, it's much more entertaining than that. Any taxes on the insurance companies are going to be passed through to the consumer. The company isn't going to incur those higher taxes.

Hi lawhawk. LOL!! You and I were thinking the same thing - at the same time! Love it!

;-)

176 LTC8K6  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 12:00:07pm

Yes, no one ever makes that error... mixing up Harvard and Yale... How unusual...

And making that error means we should ignore the article completely...

In fact, the error is all that matters, so let's focus on it in our blog...

I guess we should dismiss Obama entirely then...and just focus on his communication errors...

177 Occasional Reader  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 12:00:42pm

re: #165 subsailor68

Also, the Baucus plan, if I'm not mistaken, forces medical insurers to take on everyone who applies, prevents them from raising deductibles or capping payouts, etc.

In other words, it prevents them from managing their risk pools. Which is the very essence of the insurance business.

If this sort of thing were being implemented in Venezuela, political risk experts would be calling it "creeping nationalization".

178 Pianobuff  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 12:00:56pm

re: #170 lawhawk

Here's why - from both perspectives:

From the right - because where there's smoke, there's fire, and the trooferisms were just the tip of the iceberg. He fell on his sword to avoid further controversy and fallout for the Administration at a bad time.

From the left - he caved to right-wing thuggery. He should have stood his ground. It shows that the Administration can't play rough and ready with the right-wing.

The truth? Probably a combination of the above - the trooferism was the least of Jones' problems, and Obama and the WH knew that this could derail Obama's major policy address this week, even if the media wasn't covering it - because the chattering classes were talking it up, even if the media wasn't. Media agenda setting isn't what it once was - for better and worse. Had it been better, they would have addressed Jones' radical background more substantively before he was picked to be Obama's adviser.

Personally, I think he could have probably stayed in place without that much damage being done. Don't get me wrong, I have little in common with his worldview and find many of his actions distasteful, but I think he could have stayed on board without that much capital being lost.

We'll never know, though.

179 Sharmuta  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 12:01:04pm

re: #161 Occasional Reader

And I'll note that President Bush refrained from using insulting language (at least in public) to refer to even the nuttiest "anti-war" moonbats during his two terms. Which of the two methods do you find more dignified?

Like calling a journalist a "major league asshole"?

180 nordink  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 12:01:06pm

re: #91 Sharmuta

To me, it sounded like a campaign speech.

The president said that schoolchildren of today can study hard and solve many of America's problems. I believe he mentioned cancer, AIDS, the environment, poverty, homelessness, crime, and discrimination. While it'd be great to fix those and all America's problems, it sounds like a litany straight off the Democrat platform. (To be fair, I heard him mention job creation and the economy, too.)

Clearly dealing with terrorism and "rogue" regimes will be in our schoolkids' future, too. But those are national security issues, and not what the president wants to discuss.

181 jpkoch  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 12:01:11pm

I don't begrudge any President from hiring whom he pleases. Evey administration has its basket cases that become liabilities. Some are just embarrassments, while others can do real damage.

I think in this case, the MSM's reluctance to even raise a peep about some of the President's WH hirings is as much a story as the hiring themselves.

182 MandyManners  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 12:01:23pm

re: #161 Occasional Reader

And I'll note that President Bush refrained from using insulting language (at least in public) to refer to even the nuttiest "anti-war" moonbats during his two terms. Which of the two methods do you find more dignified?

I cannot imagine Tony Snow saying anything like that.

183 Pianobuff  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 12:01:39pm

re: #174 Charles

I didn't say it was an "excuse." The furor over Van Jones started at Gateway Pundit when he dug around on a Truther site. Any journalist who went to check on this story would have seen that -- along with batshit insane (and often bigoted) posts about "Dear Leader Hussein," pictures of the Hitler Youth, and comments that read like the stuff mental patients write on toilet paper.

Then it was picked up by Glenn "the Rockefeller Building has sekrit commie messages" Beck.

The mainstream media absolutely do tilt left, but the Van Jones controversy isn't evidence of that. It's evidence of how freaking crazy the right wing has gotten.

I thought Beck had been talking about this guy for at least a month. No?

184 Sharmuta  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 12:02:02pm

re: #180 nordink

To me, it sounded like a campaign speech.

I suggest that's because you wanted to hear it as such.

185 Creeping Eruption  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 12:02:08pm

re: #177 Occasional Reader

Also, the Baucus plan, if I'm not mistaken, forces medical insurers to take on everyone who applies, prevents them from raising deductibles or capping payouts, etc.

In other words, it prevents them from managing their risk pools. Which is the very essence of the insurance business.

If this sort of thing were being implemented in Venezuela, political risk experts would be calling it "creeping nationalization".

Got a problem with things that Creep?

186 subsailor68  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 12:02:11pm

re: #177 Occasional Reader

Also, the Baucus plan, if I'm not mistaken, forces medical insurers to take on everyone who applies, prevents them from raising deductibles or capping payouts, etc.

In other words, it prevents them from managing their risk pools. Which is the very essence of the insurance business.

If this sort of thing were being implemented in Venezuela, political risk experts would be calling it "creeping nationalization".

Hi OR!! Yep, you nailed it. Here're the final two sentences in the article:

Baucus hits major elements in his plan that other top Democrats say are important. His plan would require health insurance plans to guarantee coverage and would prohibit them from excluding coverage based on pre-existing conditions.

Premiums would be allowed to vary based only on tobacco use, age and size of family.

187 Occasional Reader  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 12:02:35pm

re: #174 Charles

The mainstream media absolutely do tilt left, but the Van Jones controversy isn't evidence of that.

Depends on what you mean by "the" controversy. If you mean specifically the "investigate 9/11" petition, perhaps. But as others have noted above, the rest of Jones' batshit craziness was easy to find long before that, as you did yourself. And yet... MSM silence. I find it quite plausible that they didn't see because they didn't want to look.

188 Desert Dog  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 12:02:53pm

re: #165 subsailor68

A little more info on the Baucus plan to forced folks to buy insurance or be fined:

Baucus Plan

It includes this little gem:

As a way to pay for the package, Baucus is proposing a 35 percent excise tax on insurance companies for high-cost plans -- defined as those above $8,000 for individuals and $21,000 for family plans.

Let's see, Baucus is going to pay for forcing people to purchase insurance by taxing people - who buy insurance? Hmmm, so now the program is underway, and the folks with the "high-cost" plans say "bite me" and drop back to lower cost coverage.

Oops, there goes that revenue stream! Now what, Max?

Blame it on Bush?

It is the same mentality that thinks there is a never ending supply of "rich people". This is the mentality that is scaring the sh*t out of people. The government is going to come in to your life and force you to do this. If you do not, the IRS will come after you. The IRS!

Heathcare is already available to all Americans. It is..honest. If you cannot afford it, then there are plans available for at least a major medical plan. And, if you are truly poor, every State in the Union has a plan for poor people. I should know, my wife works for one. If you are sick and need help, you can get it. If you cannot pay for it, it does not matter. Our system need tweaking, not a complete and total rebuild. I am cringing on what these representatives will come up with.

189 BARACK THE VOTE  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 12:02:57pm

re: #150 Charles

Because it was being hyped by blogs like Gateway Pundit that are so far off the rails, no journalist with any sense would want to get close to it.

Gateway Pundit is far, far off the rails. IMO they always were, but a little stroll through some of their recent posts and comments ought to convince anyone.

i used to consider them "standard crazy", but I visited them about a month ago for the first time in about a year and the change was shocking. The comment section was like Free republic. At least that bad.

190 shimoda  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 12:03:21pm

We had intended to keep it a European secret but since you are starting to investigate you will most likely find out any way. It is much worse than you imagined. It is neither Yale nor Harward. Obama graduated from Sorbonne!. He is even more French than you think.

191 kcladderman  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 12:03:39pm

re: #166 Honorary Yooper

I heard much the same from another guy, a while ago, long before I found LGF. Of course, this guy was so insanely batshit nuts that he thought a freeway being built through his town was a conservative conspiracy just to destroy his little suburb.

Yea this guy was talking about the Obama speech,he was against it. i guess he thought because I was a conservative I would agree with him. When I told him it was much to do about nothing. He then decided well maybe it was a waste of money when I ask him how much he thought it would cost he had no answer. Just that Someone was making money off of it. We talked awhile longer that is when he told me the Bush thing. I came to find out he was a Ron Paul man. Then I ask who he voted for in 2000 he told me Nader I stop talking politics with him at that point.

192 Occasional Reader  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 12:03:44pm

re: #179 Sharmuta

Like calling a journalist a "major league asshole"?

Umm... you do know that was a private remark caught on an open mike, right? As opposed to a deliberately public statement, such as the one here?

So I ask again; which method do you find more dignified in a President?

193 HAL2010  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 12:04:18pm

re: #180 nordink

To me, it sounded like a campaign speech.

The president said that schoolchildren of today can study hard and solve many of America's problems. I believe he mentioned cancer, AIDS, the environment, poverty, homelessness, crime, and discrimination. While it'd be great to fix those and all America's problems, it sounds like a litany straight off the Democrat platform. (To be fair, I heard him mention job creation and the economy, too.)

Clearly dealing with terrorism and "rogue" regimes will be in our schoolkids' future, too. But those are national security issues, and not what the president wants to discuss.

Youtube Video

Thats your idea of a campaign speech?
As someone said in the previous thread: Oh boy ...

he mentioned cancer, AIDS, the environment, poverty, homelessness, crime, and discrimination. While it'd be great to fix those and all America's problems, it sounds like a litany straight off the Democrat platform.

Then maybe they should become part of the GOP platform ASAP, because if they aren't, they are finished as a political party. If you think that somehow wanting to fix the environment is part of the "democratic platform", that says more about you and the current state of the GOP than Conservatism.

194 Sharmuta  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 12:05:27pm

re: #180 nordink

I believe he mentioned cancer, AIDS, the environment, poverty, homelessness, crime, and discrimination.

As a conservative, I'm a little offended you think these are democrat issues. These are American issues and worthy of being taken seriously by both sides of the political divide.

195 MrSilverDragon  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 12:06:40pm

re: #176 LTC8K6

Yes, no one ever makes that error... mixing up Harvard and Yale... How unusual...

And making that error means we should ignore the article completely...

In fact, the error is all that matters, so let's focus on it in our blog...

I guess we should dismiss Obama entirely then...and just focus on his communication errors...

1. I'm sure plenty of people have made that mistake, but for someone to put a news article up stating that? Pretty damn sloppy.

2. If anything, I went to read the article because it was posted here. That was more reason for me to laugh.

3. Ours? It's Charles blog. Everyone else... just guests.

4. I don't see a dismissal of Obama. I do see a lot of disagreement with his policies.

196 Pianobuff  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 12:06:51pm

re: #194 Sharmuta

As a conservative, I'm a little offended you think these are democrat issues. These are American issues and worthy of being taken seriously by both sides of the political divide.

+1.

197 Killgore Trout  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 12:07:43pm

Stupid sun is out again. Damn that fiery orb!

198 Creeping Eruption  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 12:08:32pm

re: #180 nordink

To me, it sounded like a campaign speech.

The president said that schoolchildren of today can study hard and solve many of America's problems. I believe he mentioned cancer, AIDS, the environment, poverty, homelessness, crime, and discrimination. While it'd be great to fix those and all America's problems, it sounds like a litany straight off the Democrat platform. (To be fair, I heard him mention job creation and the economy, too.)

Clearly dealing with terrorism and "rogue" regimes will be in our schoolkids' future, too. But those are national security issues, and not what the president wants to discuss.

Would you have preferred he instruct Americans to grab a shovel, dig a hole, and stick our heads in the sand? I know plenty of Republicans who are concerned with AIDS, crime, homelessness, discrimination, the environment . . .it is this kind of polarizing groupthink that is tearing this country to pieces right now. It is foolish.

199 DaddyG  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 12:08:32pm

re: #30 Honorary Yooper

Not here it isn't. It's still 9/8/9. Tomorrow is 9/9/9.

The date that launched 1000 movie premiers and Cable channel shows on numerology.

200 subsailor68  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 12:08:43pm

re: #188 Desert Dog

Hi Desert Dog! From your post: If you do not, the IRS will come after you. The IRS!

That's actually the most logical agency to track this, if the idea is a) to make insurance mandatory, b) verify that people have it by collecting the policy number, and c) verify that people are eligible for support based on lower incomes are identified.

It's not a real efficient idea - but the only other agency I could see already set up to track this would be the Social Security Administration.

Neither one is a very good idea.

Not doing this at all is a very, very good idea!

201 Pianobuff  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 12:09:15pm

re: #197 Killgore Trout

Stupid sun is out again. Damn that fiery orb!

I watched a documentary on the Sun over the weekend. Amazing... it rises and sets every day, sustaining life on this planet - yet it is so violent.

202 midwestgak  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 12:09:27pm

re: #197 Killgore Trout

Stupid sun is out again. Damn that fiery orb!

Proof! Anything can be criticized.

203 Bagua  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 12:09:33pm

re: #176 LTC8K6

In fact, the error is all that matters, so let's focus on it in our blog...

You run a blog with articles on Chemtrails and you criticize a humorous post on this blog?

204 Killgore Trout  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 12:10:08pm

Inspired by Chairman Obama radical leftist speech today, I installed a rain barrel to one of my downspouts. I refuse to pay for capitalist water!

205 Desert Dog  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 12:10:16pm

re: #197 Killgore Trout

Stupid sun is out again. Damn that fiery orb!

You don't get to see much of that fireball in the sky living in the NW do you? I get frightened by those white puffy things that come along once every few weeks here in PHX. What are they called again? Clods? Don't see too many of them here in the desert. Mr. Bluesky is usually what we get, day in and day out.

206 MrSilverDragon  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 12:11:14pm

re: #201 Pianobuff

I watched a documentary on the Sun over the weekend. Amazing... it rises and sets every day, sustaining life on this planet - yet it is so violent.

How does it feel to be ~93 million miles away from a giant fusion reactor? Pretty darn good, unless you're like me and burn instant red when you step into it...

207 Creeping Eruption  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 12:11:19pm

re: #203 Bagua

You run a blog with articles on Chemtrails and you criticize a humorous post on this blog?

So if we have Birthers, Troofers, Paulians . . . what is he/she? Chemer? Trailer? Chemian? Trailian?

208 Killgore Trout  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 12:11:22pm

re: #205 Desert Dog

I went to grad school in Phoenix. It must be where I learned to hate the sun.

209 HAL2010  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 12:11:59pm

re: #204 Killgore Trout

Inspired by Chairman Obama radical leftist speech today, I installed a rain barrel to one of my downspouts. I refuse to pay for capitalist water!

In Soviet Russia, water pays for you!

210 Pianobuff  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 12:12:18pm

re: #203 Bagua

You run a blog with articles on Chemtrails and you criticize a humorous post on this blog?

Actually this thread is incredibly low-key considering my expectations when Wesley Pruden was the subject.

200 posts and no Daughters of the Confederacy or South's gonna do it again comments. I'm actually kind of stunned considering the material out there.

211 Throbert McGee  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 12:12:46pm

re: #19 Ben Hur

Do you believe that this was anything but a mistake, a misprint or oversight by an editor?

This rises to the level of "57 states?"

I agree with your first point -- this was at worst a small glitch in the fact-checking and copy-editing process that's supposed to catch these mistakes, and while the Washington Times has a bit of egg on its face as a result, this does not amount to evidence of a larger institutional problem with fact-checking at the WT. Nor would I necessarily fault the copy editors who are supposed to catch factual errors like this -- for all we know, the final graf about Obama going to Yale Law may have been a last-minute addition after the rest of the column had already been scrutinized by the copy editors. (In which case, the text is supposed to go back to the copy editors, but in reality that doesn't always happen -- for example, in the rush to get something highly topical on the publication's Web site, a senior-level editor may OK changes to the text so that it doesn't get slowed down in the copy-editing queue. And oftentimes, senior-level editors are less reliable than the lowly copy editors!)

But having said all that, I think that Obama's "57 states" gaffe was even more trivial than "Obama went to Yale Law", for the obvious reason that the latter occurred in a published text article by a major newspaper, and the former occurred in an off-the-cuff spoken remark.

(Of course, we can complain about the double standards of media outlets that gave Obama a pass for "57 states", yet would've gone after the trivial tongue-slip like a shark after chum if it'd come from any Republican candidate. But that's a failing of the press, not of Obama.)

212 Desert Dog  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 12:12:46pm

re: #200 subsailor68

Hi Desert Dog! From your post: If you do not, the IRS will come after you. The IRS!

That's actually the most logical agency to track this, if the idea is a) to make insurance mandatory, b) verify that people have it by collecting the policy number, and c) verify that people are eligible for support based on lower incomes are identified.

It's not a real efficient idea - but the only other agency I could see already set up to track this would be the Social Security Administration.

Neither one is a very good idea.

Not doing this at all is a very, very good idea!

The IRS does not have the ability to see if you are buying insurance right now. I would assume insurance companies would send in a form telling our friends at the IRS if Mr. or Mrs. Citizen has, in fact, purchased insurance. Then, if that does not show up on your return...well, ve hav vays of making you buy!

213 Creeping Eruption  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 12:13:03pm

re: #204 Killgore Trout

Inspired by Chairman Obama radical leftist speech today, I installed a rain barrel to one of my downspouts. I refuse to pay for capitalist water!

Maybe you can get some stimulus money for creating an environmental habitat: a mosquito breeding ground.

214 HAL2010  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 12:13:09pm

re: #207 Creeping Eruption

So if we have Birthers, Troofers, Paulians . . . what is he/she? Chemer? Trailer? Chemian? Trailian?

Certifiably batshit-insane?

215 Occasional Reader  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 12:13:23pm

re: #204 Killgore Trout

Inspired by Chairman Obama radical leftist speech today, I installed a rain barrel to one of my downspouts. I refuse to pay for capitalist water!

You've been listening to Evo Morales' campaign speeches again, haven't you?

216 Occasional Reader  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 12:14:07pm

re: #208 Killgore Trout

I went to grad school in Phoenix. It must be where I learned to hate the sun.

"From time immemorial, man has dreamed of blotting out the sun..."

-Montgomery Burns

217 Pianobuff  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 12:14:45pm

re: #206 MrSilverDragon

How does it feel to be ~93 million miles away from a giant fusion reactor? Pretty darn good, unless you're like me and burn instant red when you step into it...

It puts one in awe, or at least it does this for me. This documentary had lots of trivia stats on the Sun that are just staggering when one takes a moment and contemplates. And in the grand scheme of things, it's just this little runty dwarf wannabe star.

218 opnion  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 12:15:24pm

Ya know I have seen some 'fishy" posts on here that I am compelled to report to flag@whitehouse.org.
Oh wait, they got busted & took that down, not that there was anything wrong with getting all of the emails in a chain email that was not flattering of the Dear Leader.
Just Right Wing paranoia, right?

219 Occasional Reader  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 12:15:53pm

re: #211 Throbert McGee

I think that Obama's "57 states" gaffe was even more trivial

No, because that one was proof that he's a sekrit moozlim.

/

220 HAL2010  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 12:15:59pm

re: #218 opnion

Ya know I have seen some 'fishy" posts on here that I am compelled to report to flag@whitehouse.org.
Oh wait, they got busted & took that down, not that there was anything wrong with getting all of the emails in a chain email that was not flattering of the Dear Leader.
Just Right Wing paranoia, right?

Long story short?

Yes, yes it was.

221 Charles Johnson  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 12:16:39pm

re: #210 Pianobuff

Actually this thread is incredibly low-key considering my expectations when Wesley Pruden was the subject.

200 posts and no Daughters of the Confederacy or South's gonna do it again comments. I'm actually kind of stunned considering the material out there.

You're absolutely right -- Pruden's connections to white supremacist groups are very well known (and he's not the only one at the Washington Times with those connections).

222 Desert Dog  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 12:17:56pm

re: #208 Killgore Trout

I went to grad school in Phoenix. It must be where I learned to hate the sun.

I hear ya. Where did you go, Thunderbird? ASU?

223 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 12:18:01pm

re: #2 buzzsawmonkey

Eli, Eli, lamah azaftzani?

You rely so much on the Washington Times?

224 DaddyG  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 12:18:14pm

re: #136 iceweasel

Yeah, they're all flocking to the party that makes up shit and outrage out of nothing every day.

i realise this is a comforting fantasy, but the fact that people may be disenchanted with Obama doesn't translate into them supporting the GOP, especially so long as the GOP is making itself 'Teh Party Of Crayzee"


But just the crazy right wing GOPers right?

There's that broad brush again. (...and I don't disagree that there should be some housecleaning and re-focusing on core principles of smaller government and liberty).

I am still a card carrying member of the GOP and a lot of teh non-crazees are still on board.

225 Pianobuff  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 12:18:50pm

re: #221 Charles

You're absolutely right -- Pruden's connections to white supremacist groups are very well known (and he's not the only one at the Washington Times with those connections).

Would he have been the likely person to hire McCain? (the other)

226 Creeping Eruption  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 12:19:37pm

OT:

So when he wealthy stop expanding business because they are taxed to death, who the hell is going to hire these folks?

227 nordink  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 12:19:46pm

re: #194 Sharmuta

Sorry that I offended you -- I meant no offense.

And I agree that conservatives should be very concerned with all that he mentioned, too: curing diseases, of course, protecting the environment, and so forth.

However, eradicating AIDS, poverty and homeless, while all completely noble goals, are truly part of the democrat campaign platforms.

To me, those issues can be best addressed using conservative principles: smaller government, less taxation, personal liberty and responsibility, etc. I'd throw in a strong national defense as well, to deter further attacks on America and its allies.

The line that bothered me in Obama's speech was:

You'll need the insights and critical thinking skills you gain in history and social studies to fight poverty and homelessness, crime and discrimination, and make our nation more fair and more free.

Is that really the lesson history teaches? Again, I want to fight all of those things he lists, too, but I've read a lot of history myself, and there are many other important lessons it teaches. Those lessons have led me to my conservative views!

228 Killgore Trout  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 12:20:08pm

re: #222 Desert Dog

ASU. Good school but I really didn't like living in Phoenix very much.

229 Desert Dog  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 12:20:09pm

re: #224 DaddyG

But just the crazy right wing GOPers right?

There's that broad brush again. (...and I don't disagree that there should be some housecleaning and re-focusing on core principles of smaller government and liberty).

I am still a card carrying member of the GOP and a lot of teh non-crazees are still on board.

There lots and lots and lots of us and we are still here and we are not going away.

230 Occasional Reader  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 12:20:28pm

re: #2 buzzsawmonkey

Eli, Eli, lamah azaftzani?

Don't worry, I'm sending in the Calvary!

231 Who Watches the Watchmen?  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 12:20:42pm

re: #159 Pianobuff

I've been wondering about this. Since it wasn't really being covered, why did Van Jones resign anyway? I've read lots of opinion on the left that felt this should have been ignored since it wasn't getting any kind of broad play in the MSM, yet it wasn't. Any theories why?

Maybe it was a martyrdom operation. Now they can say Jones was forced out by those crazy Republicans who have been sabotaging the Obama administration since January.

232 subsailor68  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 12:20:47pm

re: #212 Desert Dog

The IRS does not have the ability to see if you are buying insurance right now. I would assume insurance companies would send in a form telling our friends at the IRS if Mr. or Mrs. Citizen has, in fact, purchased insurance. Then, if that does not show up on your return...well, ve hav vays of making you buy!

Yep, sounds about right.

233 opnion  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 12:21:15pm

re: #220 HAL2010

Long story short?

Yes, yes it was.

Sure , because there would not be any IRS audit or anything.
That tactic is never used.
Why did they want the email addresses?

234 lawhawk  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 12:21:26pm

re: #204 Killgore Trout

Inspired by Chairman Obama radical leftist speech today, I installed a rain barrel to one of my downspouts. I refuse to pay for capitalist water!

And until recently, some states made that criminal - you didn't own the water that fell on your property - see Colorado.

In other words, that rain barrel, which was useful to keeping your lawn green, was diverting water already apportioned under various government agreements - because it fell into watersheds like the Colorado River.

235 Killgore Trout  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 12:22:31pm

Looks like Glenn Beck has another crazy week planned...
Beck Says He Will "Expose Something" that will Result in "People Going to Jail"

Liveleak Video

He also rants about the Patriot Act and implantable satellite tracking microchips.

236 Desert Dog  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 12:23:07pm

re: #228 Killgore Trout

ASU. Good school but I really didn't like living in Phoenix very much.

The summers are something I cannot get used to and I have lived here since 1986. The winters are nice, but I miss the change of the seasons. I do not miss the snow and ice and cold too much. The weather is not the worse thing about this place now. It's the sprawl. Too many people here now. In 1986, it was still a small town...now, it's a crime riddled polluted traffic jammed mess. Mrs DD and I are thinking of a move back to Colorado.

237 Kosh's Shadow  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 12:23:18pm

re: #212 Desert Dog

The IRS does not have the ability to see if you are buying insurance right now. I would assume insurance companies would send in a form telling our friends at the IRS if Mr. or Mrs. Citizen has, in fact, purchased insurance. Then, if that does not show up on your return...well, ve hav vays of making you buy!

That's the way it works in Massachusetts now. The insurance companies send you a form indicating which months you had insurance, and you have to fill out a form giving that information, with the insurance forms as proof, kind of like W-2's. (You might not have to fill out the separate form if you had insurance all year; I don't remember now.)
In Mass, you don't need insurance 100% of the time to avoid the penalty, though; I believe you have 60 or 90 days before any penalty and then it is pro-rated. Actually, it goes by month, and counts the number of months you had insurance less than half the time. That was good, because we avoided paying an extra month of COBRA just to get a few days' coverage before my job started. The COBRA coverage went by calendar month, and my job started a few days after the start of the month.

238 Occasional Reader  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 12:23:22pm

re: #234 lawhawk

And until recently, some states made that criminal - you didn't own the water that fell on your property

Not to mention, the required Environmental Impact Asssessments of the effect of rainwater on the endangered Itsy-Bitsy Spider.

239 DaddyG  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 12:23:31pm

Pet Peeve time...

Groupthink (wiki definition but it has source quotes) is a term coined to describe the reluctance of cohisive groups to avoid realistic appraisal of alternative courses of action.

It is not a catch all phrase that describes groups that "think alike" or lack diversity of thought.

I've seen it abused twice today

You may now return to your regularly scheduled rants...

240 Throbert McGee  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 12:23:36pm

re: #211 Throbert McGee

(In which case, the text is supposed to go back to the copy editors, but in reality that doesn't always happen -- for example...

I blame my copy editor Ramona for not catching that I forgot to put in the closing bold tag after "supposed to." Bad rat, no cookie!

241 Lincolntf  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 12:23:38pm

re: #231 Who Watches the Watchmen?

Maybe, but it never even made it into the mainstream media so it's hard to blame it on the public being misled in any significant way. I think that VJ was a very poor pick and he wisely bailed out before the nation realized just how poor.

242 Killgore Trout  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 12:23:56pm

re: #234 lawhawk

Somebody mentioned that yesterday. Here in Portland they actually give you a discount on your water bill if you disconnect your downspouts from the sewer system.

243 Charpete67  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 12:23:59pm

re: #235 Killgore Trout

I like the implantable chips...I can hear the radio and my dead grandmother talks to me...

244 Pianobuff  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 12:24:02pm

re: #228 Killgore Trout

ASU. Good school but I really didn't like living in Phoenix very much.

I can imagine if the sun is an issue in Portland. Are you really Count Killgore?

245 Sharmuta  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 12:24:57pm

re: #227 nordink

You'll need the insights and critical thinking skills you gain in history and social studies to fight poverty and homelessness, crime and discrimination, and make our nation more fair and more free.

Is that really the lesson history teaches?

Uh- yes it is. American history teaches that we've striven to be more fair and more free. As a woman- I can tell you this is true. My foremothers couldn't own property (except in special circumstances) and that they couldn't vote, and you want to know if history teaches the lessons of more fairness and freedom?

Honestly- I think you're grasping at straws here.

246 sattv4u2  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 12:25:20pm

re: #136 iceweasel

Yeah, they're all flocking to the party that makes up shit and outrage out of nothing every day.

i realise this is a comforting fantasy, but the fact that people may be disenchanted with Obama doesn't translate into them supporting the GOP, especially so long as the GOP is making itself 'Teh Party Of Crayzee"

Bush Lied ,, People Died

Bush wants to take away your Social Security

Bush caused Katrina


Bush hates blacks, (see Katrina)

mmmkkkaaayy

"HE PLAYED ON OUR FEARS"

247 debutaunt  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 12:25:45pm

re: #238 Occasional Reader

Not to mention, the required Environmental Impact Asssessments of the effect of rainwater on the endangered Itsy-Bitsy Spider.

Save the spotted waterfowl.

248 Desert Dog  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 12:25:51pm

re: #237 Kosh's Shadow

That's the way it works in Massachusetts now. The insurance companies send you a form indicating which months you had insurance, and you have to fill out a form giving that information, with the insurance forms as proof, kind of like W-2's. (You might not have to fill out the separate form if you had insurance all year; I don't remember now.)
In Mass, you don't need insurance 100% of the time to avoid the penalty, though; I believe you have 60 or 90 days before any penalty and then it is pro-rated. Actually, it goes by month, and counts the number of months you had insurance less than half the time. That was good, because we avoided paying an extra month of COBRA just to get a few days' coverage before my job started. The COBRA coverage went by calendar month, and my job started a few days after the start of the month.

Is this to insure a revenue stream? Or is it just the there to make sure you have insurance?

249 Lincolntf  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 12:25:52pm

re: #246 sattv4u2

Kanye was Right!

250 Pianobuff  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 12:26:09pm

re: #243 Charpete67

I like the implantable chips...I can hear the radio and my dead grandmother talks to me...

For me it's the GPS features that will help me with on my journey to self-actualization.

I've always wanted to find myself.

251 Killgore Trout  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 12:26:28pm

re: #236 Desert Dog

I think what bugged me the most was the city's lack of character. Lot's of national chain stores arranged in ugly strip malls. Everything had a 1950's feel to the architechture, not a lot of variety or quirky neighborhoods. I lived in Chicago for a while, now that's a fun city.

252 Desert Dog  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 12:26:43pm

re: #245 Sharmuta

Uh- yes it is. American history teaches that we've striven to be more fair and more free. As a woman- I can tell you this is true. My foremothers couldn't own property (except in special circumstances) and that they couldn't vote, and you want to know if history teaches the lessons of more fairness and freedom?

Honestly- I think you're grasping at straws here.

That is the first time I have seen that word...WOD - foremothers!

253 Occasional Reader  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 12:26:48pm

re: #247 debutaunt

Save the spotted waterfowl.

If they've been spotted, clearly they need better camouflage.

254 Charpete67  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 12:26:55pm

re: #250 Pianobuff

For me it's the GPS features that will help me with on my journey to self-actualization.

I've always wanted to find myself.

...you can get them with GPS?

255 Guanxi88  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 12:27:29pm

re: #254 Charpete67

...you can get them with GPS?

Yep, and cup-holders.

256 Killgore Trout  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 12:27:32pm

re: #244 Pianobuff

I can imagine if the sun is an issue in Portland. Are you really Count Killgore?

It's a novelty when it first appears in the spring but I get tired of it. Summers here are actually pretty hot and dry.

257 Buck  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 12:28:01pm

re: #246 sattv4u2

Bush Lied ,, People Died

Bush wants to take away your Social Security

Bush caused Katrina

Bush hates blacks, (see Katrina)

mmmkkkaaayy

"HE PLAYED ON OUR FEARS"

Bush is an Idiot
Bush is controlled by others (Rove)
Bush cheated on BOTH elections ( diebold voting machines)
Bush is a drug addict.

258 Creeping Eruption  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 12:28:09pm

re: #239 DaddyG

Pet Peeve time...

Groupthink (wiki definition but it has source quotes) is a term coined to describe the reluctance of cohisive groups to avoid realistic appraisal of alternative courses of action.

It is not a catch all phrase that describes groups that "think alike" or lack diversity of thought.

I've seen it abused twice today

You may now return to your regularly scheduled rants...

What I see is various "factions" of Republicans and/or conservatives avoiding a realistic appraisal of alternate courses of action to this country's problems and being made to look, as a whole, like the Keystone cops eating their young.

Maybe I should have used that instead of "groupthink."

I'll tell you what. You keep your pet peeve on a leash, and I'll try to be more erudite.

259 Charpete67  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 12:28:14pm

re: #255 Guanxi88

Yep, and cup-holders.

...conservatives never get the good stuff...

260 lawhawk  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 12:28:17pm

re: #242 Killgore Trout

That makes sense since sanitary sewers are often overtaxed during rainstorms and the runoff goes into the rivers untreated. That's a separate situation from the rain barrels, which prevent aquifer replenishment (under the former CO law).

261 Desert Dog  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 12:28:30pm

re: #251 Killgore Trout

I think what bugged me the most was the city's lack of character. Lot's of national chain stores arranged in ugly strip malls. Everything had a 1950's feel to the architechture, not a lot of variety or quirky neighborhoods. I lived in Chicago for a while, now that's a fun city.

It has not changed. There is no city center, no cosmopolitan feel. I grew up in Denver, and while that is not Chicago or New York, you still get the sense you are in an actual city. Here in Phoenix, you get the feeling you are in a giant never ending suburb.

262 Sharmuta  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 12:29:46pm

re: #252 Desert Dog

That is the first time I have seen that word...WOD - foremothers!

If there are forefathers, wouldn't there be foremothers?

263 Occasional Reader  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 12:30:13pm

re: #238 Occasional Reader

Asssessments

It was a typo, but I like it.

Sounds like what us guys are doing when we walk down the street during miniskirt season.

264 Lincolntf  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 12:30:32pm

re: #246 sattv4u2

OT-
Per your screenname, I figured I'd mention this. I have Time W. Cable, but the previous owners had DishNetwork and the dish is still up. I have a long-standing distaste for satellite (too many New England days at the pub/friends house trying to adjust it during a snow/wind/ice storm), but I think they might have finally piqued my interest enough to re-investigate.
The RedZone Network (or something like that) is what did it. Auotmatically switches to NFL games when teams enter the red-zone is the idea. How can I (or anyone) not want to get that? Bastards!

265 [deleted]  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 12:30:40pm
266 Pianobuff  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 12:30:43pm

re: #246 sattv4u2

Bush Lied ,, People Died

Bush wants to take away your Social Security

Bush caused Katrina

Bush hates blacks, (see Katrina)

mmmkkkaaayy

"HE PLAYED ON OUR FEARS"

You can add "Kanye was right". For some reason, of all the complaints raised about VJ, the Kanye t-shirt was the one that evoked the most emotional response in me.

I don't believe that Bush hates or hated black people and, although it's only my opinion, racist is the strongest insult that can be levelled at a conservative (assuming he/she is not a racist). To be candid, that one hurts the most.

267 sattv4u2  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 12:30:51pm

re: #257 Buck

heheheh ,, I LOVED that little bit of disconnect


Bush was at the same time a silver-spoon, spoiled drunk stupid frat boy who simultaneously was genius enough to steal not one, but TWO national presidential elections

268 MrSilverDragon  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 12:31:06pm

re: #262 Sharmuta

If there are forefathers, wouldn't there be foremothers?

Well, in some circles, forefathers can have eightmothers, or more.

/

269 Desert Dog  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 12:31:14pm

re: #262 Sharmuta

If there are forefathers, wouldn't there be foremothers?

I agree and they are a tribute to womenkind!

270 Occasional Reader  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 12:31:45pm

re: #265 buzzsawmonkey

Those who attend Yale are called "Elis,"

I've been known to call them other things.

/

271 Charpete67  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 12:31:47pm

re: #246 sattv4u2

Bush Lied ,, People Died

Bush wants to take away your Social Security

Bush caused Katrina

Bush hates blacks, (see Katrina)

mmmkkkaaayy

"HE PLAYED ON OUR FEARS"

...just to clarify...Bush didn't cause Katrina...he blew up the levees...

272 BARACK THE VOTE  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 12:31:48pm

re: #169 Pianobuff

Up-ding as much for your remarks on Sanford as anything else. That guy really bothers me.

I can't tell from your remarks about McCain whether you thought he had something going on with the woman or not. Much of the criticism of the NYT story was from those that felt that there was no "there" there. Did you think there was a "there" there?

Hard to say for sure. If I had to guess, I'd say there probably was a "there" there, if only because McCain is kinda famous for having an eye for the ladies, being charming, and very successful with them. But that's only my guess, and the story itself hardly provided proof.

But I still don't care, don't want to see it reported, didn't affect my opinion of McCain as potential POTUS--- and all I could think about was how it would feel to be Cindy McCain, or one of his kids, reading that shite.

Not my idea of a relevant story. Another nail in the coffin of the NYT, in my opinion.

273 kcladderman  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 12:31:56pm

re: #254 Charpete67

...you can get them with GPS?

yes but it is only free for a year then it cost $19.98 a month

274 sattv4u2  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 12:31:57pm

re: #264 Lincolntf

OT-
Per your screenname, I figured I'd mention this. I have Time W. Cable, but the previous owners had DishNetwork and the dish is still up. I have a long-standing distaste for satellite (too many New England days at the pub/friends house trying to adjust it during a snow/wind/ice storm), but I think they might have finally piqued my interest enough to re-investigate.
The RedZone Network (or something like that) is what did it. Auotmatically switches to NFL games when teams enter the red-zone is the idea. How can I (or anyone) not want to get that? Bastards!

hehehehehehe ,,, we're are a devilish lot !!

275 Kosh's Shadow  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 12:32:26pm

re: #248 Desert Dog

Is this to insure a revenue stream? Or is it just the there to make sure you have insurance?

It is to make sure you have insurance. That is mandatory in Mass now, unless you make too much for the subsidized coverage but too little for unsubsidized coverage. (It was supposed to be universal, but the insurance companies couldn't deliver on the rates they promised during the hearings and the state didn't allocate enough money to subsidize coverage for everyone.)
BTW, you lose the personal exemption of around $2600 if you don't have insurance; companies with 11 or more employees pay $295/year penalty if they don't offer insurance.
I believe insurance runs under $500/month for a single, young person, to close to $1000 for individual coverage for someone over 50. Last time we needed to buy insurance through the Mass. Bar Association, it was $1200/month for family coverage, but that did not vary with age. And it was a couple of years ago.

276 Guanxi88  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 12:32:35pm

re: #273 kcladderman

yes but it is only free for a year then it cost $19.98 a month

Yep, same trick the book and record clubs use.

277 Athos  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 12:32:46pm

re: #267 sattv4u2

heheheh ,, I LOVED that little bit of disconnect


Bush was at the same time a silver-spoon, spoiled drunk stupid frat boy who simultaneously was genius enough to steal not one, but TWO national presidential elections

It wasn't Bush...it was ROVE!
/

278 Lincolntf  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 12:32:56pm

re: #267 sattv4u2

They do the same thing with Republican voters. One day we're all hyper-wealthy Capitalist oppressors, the next day we're toothless hillbillies with a third grade education.
Yawn...

279 Charpete67  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 12:33:14pm

re: #273 kcladderman

yes but it is only free for a year then it cost $19.98 a month

if you sign the contract..

280 Kosh's Shadow  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 12:33:24pm

re: #255 Guanxi88

Yep, and cup-holders.

Is that where guys put their jockstrap when it isn't in use, and women, their bra?

281 DaddyG  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 12:33:36pm

re: #236 Desert Dog Does the Mrs. know you refer to her as Mrs. Double D? Just askin... /

282 Desert Dog  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 12:33:37pm

re: #267 sattv4u2

heheheh ,, I LOVED that little bit of disconnect

Bush was at the same time a silver-spoon, spoiled drunk stupid frat boy who simultaneously was genius enough to steal not one, but TWO national presidential elections

Come on, he was just a puppet. Karl Rove hands were up his a** like Edgar Bergen and Charlie McCarthy. Anytime Rove wanted something, he wiggled his fingers and his "dummy" said what ever he wanted!

283 Guanxi88  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 12:33:56pm

re: #280 Kosh's Shadow

Is that where guys put their jockstrap when it isn't in use, and women, their bra?

No, that's the glove compartment.

284 opnion  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 12:34:03pm

re: #257 Buck

Bush is an Idiot
Bush is controlled by others (Rove)
Bush cheated on BOTH elections ( diebold voting machines)
Bush is a drug addict.

I have it from a reputable source that Bush is from Jupiter.
He is part of a Jupiterian plot to suck off our faces.
It is straight from Howard Dean.

285 Creeping Eruption  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 12:34:31pm

re: #282 Desert Dog

Come on, he was just a puppet. Karl Rove hands were up his a** like Edgar Bergen and Charlie McCarthy. Anytime Rove wanted something, he wiggled his fingers and his "dummy" said what ever he wanted!

Is that why he sang Moon River so often? I always wondered. //

286 Desert Dog  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 12:34:36pm

re: #275 Kosh's Shadow

It is to make sure you have insurance. That is mandatory in Mass now, unless you make too much for the subsidized coverage but too little for unsubsidized coverage. (It was supposed to be universal, but the insurance companies couldn't deliver on the rates they promised during the hearings and the state didn't allocate enough money to subsidize coverage for everyone.)
BTW, you lose the personal exemption of around $2600 if you don't have insurance; companies with 11 or more employees pay $295/year penalty if they don't offer insurance.
I believe insurance runs under $500/month for a single, young person, to close to $1000 for individual coverage for someone over 50. Last time we needed to buy insurance through the Mass. Bar Association, it was $1200/month for family coverage, but that did not vary with age. And it was a couple of years ago.

What is your experience with this type of plan? Positive? Negative?

287 Guanxi88  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 12:34:45pm

re: #284 opnion

I have it from a reputable source that Bush is from Jupiter.
He is part of a Jupiterian plot to suck off our faces.
It is straight from Howard Dean.

But Dean's a Neptunian, so you gotta consider the source.

288 sattv4u2  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 12:35:05pm

re: #264 Lincolntf

FURTHER,, the only thing that should ever interupt a Dish Network or DIRECT TV signal is very heavy rain. Wind should not as long as all the nuts and bolts on the dish are secure, especially where the dish is mounted too

Also, make sure you can reach the dish in case snow accumulates in it. Just take a broom and sweep it out. It would have to be at least 50% full of snow to lose signal

289 Charpete67  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 12:35:15pm

re: #285 Creeping Eruption

Is that why he sang Moon River so often? I always wondered. //

did Rove ever serve time?

290 yochanan  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 12:35:15pm

[Link: www.washingtonexaminer.com...]

nothing really new here

and we all remember BDS as well.

291 Athos  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 12:35:49pm

re: #284 opnion

It is straight from Howard Dean.

Ya can't believe that. Those from Titan have always had it in for those from Jupiter...

292 Occasional Reader  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 12:36:21pm

Later.

293 Charpete67  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 12:37:04pm

re: #284 opnion

I have it from a reputable source that Bush is from Jupiter.
He is part of a Jupiterian plot to suck off our faces.
It is straight from Howard Dean.

that's true...I read it on the internet...

294 Kosh's Shadow  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 12:37:40pm

re: #286 Desert Dog

What is your experience with this type of plan? Positive? Negative?

I've always had coverage through my employer, when employed, or via Mass Bar Association (my wife's a criminal defense lawyer, a public defender), which is another group policy.
The state has found that universal coverage is more expensive than expected, which isn't surprising, since Mass has high medical costs due to the teaching hospitals.

295 Pianobuff  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 12:37:54pm

re: #272 iceweasel

Hard to say for sure. If I had to guess, I'd say there probably was a "there" there, if only because McCain is kinda famous for having an eye for the ladies, being charming, and very successful with them. But that's only my guess, and the story itself hardly provided proof.

But I still don't care, don't want to see it reported, didn't affect my opinion of McCain as potential POTUS--- and all I could think about was how it would feel to be Cindy McCain, or one of his kids, reading that shite.

Not my idea of a relevant story. Another nail in the coffin of the NYT, in my opinion.

I basically have a "don't trust any of them independently" mentality. Believe it or not (and maybe we've discussed this before) I do try to check on a spectrum of sources including Prog Blogs. Even with video, if I don't get at least a minute of context at the front and back end of a supposedly controversial I'm tending to not rely on those too heavily. In the last two years, I've made some deliberate attempts to apply the 24 hour rule also. I can't say that I succeed 100%, but the success rate is better than it was.

296 DaddyG  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 12:39:27pm

re: #258 Creeping Eruption

I'll tell you what. You keep your pet peeve on a leash, and I'll try to be more erudite.

Deal... Down boy, heel!

(I admit to being quirky about that one. It has a specific use in my field and I have an irrational response to general useage). Now let's talk about the bastardization of the term Jazz...

297 Desert Dog  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 12:39:30pm

re: #294 Kosh's Shadow

I've always had coverage through my employer, when employed, or via Mass Bar Association (my wife's a criminal defense lawyer, a public defender), which is another group policy.
The state has found that universal coverage is more expensive than expected, which isn't surprising, since Mass has high medical costs due to the teaching hospitals.

Right now, I get awesome coverage from my wife's job. She works for a medical insurance company. I own a small business and I offer my guys a few plans. I pay 1/2 for them. The 3 guys that are on it all have families, so it's costing me about $900 a month to do that.

298 BARACK THE VOTE  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 12:39:46pm

re: #265 buzzsawmonkey

You clearly miss the reference.

Those who attend Yale are called "Elis," or "Sons of Eli," something which refers back to Elihu Yale, founder of the college. Thus, the quote is meant, in this case, to refer to Obama, as a non-attendant of Yale, being "forsaken" by that institution.

I really doubt that SFZ could ever miss one of your references, let alone that one.
I wonder at your willingness to mock what is a sacred and essential Christian scripture, given that you would go batshit insane if anyone made a similarly stupid pun about anything in the Torah?

By the way, I answered you in the thread where you crept in late and called me a commie scumbag and an asshole. And where you claimed that biology is destiny for women. ;)

299 Throbert McGee  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 12:40:02pm

re: #221 Charles

You're absolutely right -- Pruden's connections to white supremacist groups are very well known (and he's not the only one at the Washington Times with those connections).

Whoa, did not know that. Evidently the WaTimes's well-known dumping of editorialist Sam Francis some years back was purely for show. (The late Mr. Francis was particularly known for conspiracy-theorist obsessing about a vast Aztlan Movement* that was going to retake California and pretty much all of the American Southwest. But although it was ostensibly about immigration reform and better border control, at some point he went back to the I'm not a white supremacist, I'm just a "race realist" well once too often for the WT.)

*Not to be confused with scattered Aztlan nuttiness, which is demonstrably real.

300 DaddyG  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 12:40:47pm

re: #278 Lincolntf

They do the same thing with Republican voters. One day we're all hyper-wealthy Capitalist oppressors, the next day we're toothless hillbillies with a third grade education.
Yawn...

Toothless Capitalist oppressors with a third grade education unite!

301 Creeping Eruption  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 12:41:03pm

re: #296 DaddyG

Deal... Down boy, heel!

(I admit to being quirky about that one. It has a specific use in my field and I have an irrational response to general useage). Now let's talk about the bastardization of the term Jazz...

Oh, don't get me started on Jazz! //

302 Desert Dog  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 12:41:36pm

re: #300 DaddyG

Toothless Capitalist oppressors with a third grade education unite!

I don only mad it to 2nd grad, kin I stil com?

303 Guanxi88  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 12:41:59pm

re: #302 Desert Dog

I don only mad it to 2nd grad, kin I stil com?

Chair of the Education Sub-committee it is, then!

304 Lincolntf  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 12:42:03pm

re: #288 sattv4u2

I've been the shoveler, the tightener, the "change-the-angler" and the guy who sits down stairs and yells up when the damn thing starts improving, so you're not fooling me. Sure, 99% of the time it works fine, but the other 1% is a massive frustrating pain in the ass. Nuts get stripped, etc...I will not let go of my hatred of the dish...must not forget the hate...


Seriously, the weather in NC is a lot better than up there (and the dish won't be on the roof of a triple decker) so I'll consider it again. A problem is that we get a decent deal with the "bundling" thing (cable/phone/net) right now so I might get screwed there.

305 Creeping Eruption  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 12:42:11pm

re: #298 iceweasel

I really doubt that SFZ could ever miss one of your references, let alone that one.
I wonder at your willingness to mock what is a sacred and essential Christian scripture, given that you would go batshit insane if anyone made a similarly stupid pun about anything in the Torah?

By the way, I answered you in the thread where you crept in late and called me a commie scumbag and an asshole. And where you claimed that biology is destiny for women. ;)

Ice, his comment was transliterated Hebrew . . . from the Torah.

306 Killgore Trout  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 12:42:47pm

Glenn Beck and Ron Paul discuss the impending New World Order...
Ron Paul : They´re Planning New Monetary Structure!

Youtube Video
307 DaddyG  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 12:43:06pm

re: #298 iceweasel
I suspect Buzzsawmonkey would consider a pun about the Torah (or any pun for that matter) a kind of compliment.

308 DaddyG  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 12:43:33pm

re: #302 Desert Dog

I don only mad it to 2nd grad, kin I stil com?


shur. we iz a big tent.

309 Buck  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 12:44:57pm

re: #267 sattv4u2

heheheh ,, I LOVED that little bit of disconnect

Bush was at the same time a silver-spoon, spoiled drunk stupid frat boy who simultaneously was genius enough to steal not one, but TWO national presidential elections

It is not disconnect IF you think the voters are stupid as well...

AND that is exactly what the LEFT thinks about the common voter. Many have said so very clearly.

310 BARACK THE VOTE  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 12:45:19pm

re: #295 Pianobuff

I basically have a "don't trust any of them independently" mentality. Believe it or not (and maybe we've discussed this before) I do try to check on a spectrum of sources including Prog Blogs. Even with video, if I don't get at least a minute of context at the front and back end of a supposedly controversial I'm tending to not rely on those too heavily. In the last two years, I've made some deliberate attempts to apply the 24 hour rule also. I can't say that I succeed 100%, but the success rate is better than it was.

Good for you, seriously. I try really hard to do the same, and always value talking to smart people who think differently than I do. Really appreciate our convos for that reason as well as others.

It is hard...and here's another thing we agree on, I also have a "Don't trust them" mentality. I just want to fact check everyone, on both sides, all the time. And call both out on their bullshit equally of course!
cheers, iDub

311 A Man for all Seasons  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 12:45:26pm

Good Afternoon Lizards! Hope you are all well..
Well the honeymoon is over.. Two weeks ago I said that the King of Leon was my new favorite band...
If I hear I'm Gooonnnaaa Neeed Sombaady one more time I'm going to scream..Perhaps check into a music rehab facility
:)

312 Charles Johnson  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 12:45:28pm

re: #299 Throbert McGee

Whoa, did not know that. Evidently the WaTimes's well-known dumping of editorialist Sam Francis some years back was purely for show. (The late Mr. Francis was particularly known for conspiracy-theorist obsessing about a vast Aztlan Movement* that was going to retake California and pretty much all of the American Southwest. But although it was ostensibly about immigration reform and better border control, at some point he went back to the I'm not a white supremacist, I'm just a "race realist" well once too often for the WT.)

*Not to be confused with scattered Aztlan nuttiness, which is demonstrably real.

Yes, that was a pretty infamous case. Another one is Robert Stacy McCain, who has connections to the white supremacist groups American Renaissance and the League of the South.

313 Charles Johnson  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 12:47:04pm

re: #306 Killgore Trout

Glenn Beck and Ron Paul discuss the impending New World Order...
Ron Paul : They´re Planning New Monetary Structure!

[Video]

But he has some good ideas! We can't reject what he says out of hand!

Hey, maybe there really IS a New World Order. Ever think of that?

314 BARACK THE VOTE  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 12:47:12pm

re: #305 Creeping Eruption

Ice, his comment was transliterated Hebrew . . . from the Torah.

I know all about where that came from. Including the Yale ref.

PS: it's from the New testament.

315 Buck  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 12:47:57pm

re: #313 Charles

But he has some good ideas! We can't reject what he says out of hand!

Hey, maybe there really IS a New World Order. Ever think of that?

Look it just might be possible to be paranoid AND have everyone out to get you.

316 Killgore Trout  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 12:48:00pm

re: #313 Charles

"He's the only one exposing these seekrits!"
/

317 itellu3times  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 12:48:30pm

Was it back in 2004, that someone was doing an academic study or thesis or something that involved analyzing LGF messages?

I think it's pretty ripe now, if anyone wants to do some sociological or modern anthropological or communications studies now, on LGF traffic. In political knowledge, historical knowledge, scientific literacy, reading comprehension, cultural references, and a dozen other categories, none directly relating to the contents.

Better yet, to do such an analysis and compare to some other sites. Like, the analysis of Rush listeners, turned out they are much better informed than the average voters.

318 Pianobuff  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 12:49:49pm

re: #306 Killgore Trout

Glenn Beck and Ron Paul discuss the impending New World Order...
Ron Paul : They´re Planning New Monetary Structure!

[Video]

Play fantasy land with me just for one moment.

I'm only bringing this up because of an article I read earlier on one of the policy teams over at the UN recommending to dump the dollar in favor of a new global currency.

Now this is just fantasy, but...

What if this were to ever happen and the UN established a new currency and dumped the dollar?

What the hell would all of us say here while David Icke and Alex Jones are off dancing the lesghinka somewhere?

319 Kosh's Shadow  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 12:49:56pm

re: #311 HoosierHoops

Good Afternoon Lizards! Hope you are all well..
Well the honeymoon is over.. Two weeks ago I said that the King of Leon was my new favorite band...
If I hear I'm Gooonnnaaa Neeed Sombaady one more time I'm going to scream..Perhaps check into a music rehab facility
:)

From the Ani DiFranco song Fuel:

And I keep hearing that same damn song
Everywhere I go
Maybe I should put a bucket over my head
And a marshmallow in each ear
And stumble around for another dumb numb week
For another hum drum hit song to appear
320 sattv4u2  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 12:50:20pm

re: #304 Lincolntf

I've been the shoveler, the tightener, the "change-the-angler" and the guy who sits down stairs and yells up when the damn thing starts improving, so you're not fooling me. Sure, 99% of the time it works fine, but the other 1% is a massive frustrating pain in the ass. Nuts get stripped, etc...I will not let go of my hatred of the dish...must not forget the hate...


Seriously, the weather in NC is a lot better than up there (and the dish won't be on the roof of a triple decker) so I'll consider it again. A problem is that we get a decent deal with the "bundling" thing (cable/phone/net) right now so I might get screwed there.

AT&T (formerly BellsSouth) includes DIRECT TV as one of their bundled options

321 BlackFedora  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 12:50:27pm

re: #10 Honorary Yooper

Most people are content to just believe any damn thing they want to be true. Its a hard thing to resist. I'd love to believe Obama is an evil bastard. It would make things a helluva lot easier.. but unfortunately I have thoughts which kind of makes it difficult.

322 [deleted]  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 12:50:34pm
323 Charles Johnson  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 12:50:35pm

re: #306 Killgore Trout

Glenn Beck and Ron Paul discuss the impending New World Order...
Ron Paul : They´re Planning New Monetary Structure!

[Video]

Good grief. This is pure John Birch Society propaganda.

Nobody even seems to care that Glenn Beck is promoting these conspiracy theories from racist groups.

324 Creeping Eruption  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 12:50:36pm

re: #314 iceweasel

I know all about where that came from. Including the Yale ref.

PS: it's from the New testament.

Correct you are. Jesus on the Cross. Mixed it up with another My God/father reference. Still, I think Buzz would have no problem punning the Torah. Could be wrong, but I think he is an equal opportunity punster. Thanks fopr the biblical clarification.

325 BARACK THE VOTE  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 12:50:50pm

re: #307 DaddyG

I suspect Buzzsawmonkey would consider a pun about the Torah (or any pun for that matter) a kind of compliment.

Cheers, I've bookmarked this for future reference. I think it will be very handy.

326 BARACK THE VOTE  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 12:51:37pm

re: #324 Creeping Eruption

My points stand.

327 Oh no...Sand People!  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 12:51:45pm

"Animal house"...getting us ready for the "Animal Farm"... IMNSHO.

328 DaddyG  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 12:52:20pm

re: #319 Kosh's Shadow The most pernicious ear worm I've heard lately is "Party in the USA" sung by Hannah Miley Montana Cyrus.

You don't want to remember the song, but you just can't help it...

329 Creeping Eruption  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 12:52:37pm

re: #317 itellu3times

Better yet, to do such an analysis and compare to some other sites. Like, the analysis of Rush listeners, turned out they are much better informed than the average voters.

That is so true. My 4 year old loves "Tom Sawyer" and "Spirit of Radio" and can identify every politician he sees on the news. It is uncanny./

330 sardonic  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 12:52:45pm

Wow! Maybe we should deport this guy (or get him a job at CBS). Clearly, this was egregious and malicious (not to mention racist), obviously designed to try and bring harm to our great president.

Speaking of Obama, this was much worse than his breathalyzer comment, the 57 state remark, Hirohito signing the peace treaty at the end of WW2 ...

331 sattv4u2  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 12:52:52pm

re: #306 Killgore Trout

Glenn Beck and Ron Paul discuss the impending New World Order...
Ron Paul : They´re Planning New Monetary Structure!

Youtube Video
332 nordink  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 12:53:15pm

re: #245 Sharmuta

Again, I have no problem promoting fairness and freedom (or women's property ownership and suffrage, as it turns out.) It seems to me that fairness, freedom, and women's rights are all doing pretty well in America. In many other countries around the world, though, not so much.

But you and I are focusing on different parts of that sentence. Do we need history and social studies to know to fight homelessness and poverty? Believe me, I'd like no one ever to be homeless, but that type of sentiment doesn't seem to be history's province.

I think that the main lesson of history is that the power-hungry must be confronted and checked by decent, brave people. If not, fairness, freedom, and human rights go out the window.

Obama's talking to elementary school kids, too, so I don't expect him to start referencing Stalin, Hitler or Ahmadinejad. But homelessness?

When he starts telling kids that history teaches us to fight homelessness and poverty, he is speaking in platitudes. And that, to me, is his truly Mr. Obama's skill: delivering soaring, pretty-sounding, campaign speeches.

333 sattv4u2  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 12:53:28pm

re: #306 Killgore Trout

Glenn Beck and Ron Paul discuss the impending New World Order...
Ron Paul : They´re Planning New Monetary Structure!

Youtube Video

I thought it was the UN calling for the new monetary system

[Link: www.telegraph.co.uk...]

334 Honorary Yooper  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 12:53:58pm

re: #313 Charles

But he has some good ideas! We can't reject what he says out of hand!

Hey, maybe there really IS a New World Order. Ever think of that?

And here I thought they were talking about the WWF-NWO.
/

335 Lincolntf  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 12:53:59pm

re: #320 sattv4u2

Really? I absolutely f---ing hate TWC but they have a mini-monopoly in my area. I'll check to see if AT&T "bundling" is available where I am. Do you happen to know? It's Winston-Salem, NC.

336 Throbert McGee  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 12:54:06pm

re: #299 Throbert McGee

The late Mr. Francis was particularly known for conspiracy-theorist obsessing about a vast Aztlan Movement

Incidentally, Sam Francis was also very homophobic. But that really is incidental, because whether he was writing about the Aztlan Agenda or the Gay Agenda, everything one needs to know about Francis's thinking is that in all things, he was guided by the Conspiracy Nut's Anti-Razor, namely --

Never attribute to the cumulative influence of many unconnected individuals that which can be far less succinctly explained by an all-powerful cabal with infinitely long tentacles.

337 Killgore Trout  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 12:54:27pm

re: #318 Pianobuff

Now this is just fantasy, but...

What if this were to ever happen and the UN established a new currency and dumped the dollar?

What the hell would all of us say here while David Icke and Alex Jones are off dancing the lesghinka somewhere?

It might happen someday. I really don't understand economics well enough to predict the likelihood of it but it might even be inevitable. It won't, however, be the end of the world and it probably won't happen anytime soon.

338 opnion  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 12:54:33pm

re: #287 Guanxi88

But Dean's a Neptunian, so you gotta consider the source.

Yeah, they have that rivalry.

339 Killgore Trout  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 12:54:57pm

re: #323 Charles

Good grief. This is pure John Birch Society propaganda.

Nobody even seems to care that Glenn Beck is promoting these conspiracy theories from racist groups.

I found the video posted on Stormfront.

340 Guanxi88  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 12:54:59pm

re: #338 opnion

Yeah, they have that rivalry.

Like Longhorns and Aggies, I tell you what.

341 DaddyG  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 12:55:11pm

re: #325 iceweasel

Cheers, I've bookmarked this for future reference. I think it will be very handy.


I wouldn't be hypersensitive about Biblical humor. As a very religious believer in Christ I don't get rattled easily when people find my quirks. There is a fine line between insult and teasing and I do try to honor that with others and their sensitivities.

342 Ben Hur  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 12:56:25pm

re: #341 DaddyG

I wouldn't be hypersensitive about Biblical humor. As a very religious believer in Christ I don't get rattled easily when people find my quirks. There is a fine line between insult and teasing and I do try to honor that with others and their sensitivities.

JESUS SAVES!
MOSES INVESTS!

343 Kosh's Shadow  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 12:56:28pm

re: #328 DaddyG

The most pernicious ear worm I've heard lately is "Party in the USA" sung by Hannah Miley Montana Cyrus.

You don't want to remember the song, but you just can't help it...

Fortunately, I've avoided that one. In fact, I avoid a lot of popular crap by not being in places it is played, and my daughter had better taste (she's now married and living in Maryland)

344 BARACK THE VOTE  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 12:56:48pm

re: #322 buzzsawmonkey

"Homophobic" is pseudo-scientific crap language

False, buzz, Homophobia perfectly describes people who are both pruriently fascinated with, and compelled to condemn, gay sex. Like the kind of freak who accuses other posters of 'having an obsession with the anal cavity', right after he's told someone else to jam a broomstick up his ass--because he's so humilated and angry at losing an argument.

Homophobia. It's real. And we're here, we're queer, get used to it-- as the slogan says.

I'm sure no-one here endorses homophobia, or wants to pretend it doesn't exist. Isn't that true?

345 Oh no...Sand People!  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 12:56:55pm

re: #341 DaddyG

I wouldn't be hypersensitive about Biblical humor. As a very religious believer in Christ I don't get rattled easily when people find my quirks. There is a fine line between insult and teasing and I do try to honor that with others and their sensitivities.

Why did Brigham cross the road?

/

346 sattv4u2  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 12:56:56pm

re: #335 Lincolntf

Really? I absolutely f---ing hate TWC but they have a mini-monopoly in my area. I'll check to see if AT&T "bundling" is available where I am. Do you happen to know? It's Winston-Salem, NC.

Not sure, sorry, but it's here in Atlanta so I wouldn't be surprised as both (Atlanta and W/S ) were "BellSouth" territiory before AT&T gobbled it up

347 Guanxi88  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 12:57:09pm

re: #342 Ben Hur

JESUS SAVES!
MOSES INVESTS!

... and so Moses says to Jesus, "I hate playing golf with your dad."

348 [deleted]  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 12:57:32pm
349 lawhawk  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 12:57:57pm

Crank convergence continues.

Jones was wrong, actually, in disavowing his support for 9/11 conspiracy theory. He signed the document, which can only mean that he supports the idea that 9/11 was planned, or that the Bushies knew something more than they have said, or at least that the charge is plausible enough to require investigation.

But support for that idea is hardly unknown among people of the left – and often gestural in its own way; look one of these types in the eye and ask “Do you really think George Bush and his cabinet engineered the murder of thousands and have kept the secret for eight years?” and watch the nervous pause and the look off into the distance. Speculations in this vein hardly meant that Jones was not sincerely committed to working within the government to do good.

As for Jones calling Republicans idiots, the way things are lately plenty of Republicans are doing that too, and quite a few of them are hardly above making the charge of Democrats. And Jones’ flirtation with Communism was brief and partly rhetorical. There are genuinely committed Communists, but Jones’ life story gives no indication of his being one. I knew quite a few “Communists” in college who are now mowing their lawns and working as management consultants.

So, to recap - Jones was wrong to cave; trooferism is not a reason to exclude someone from government service (and it's far too common on the left); and a brief flirtation with communism isn't enough to be a true communist.

The GOP dogpile on Jones wasn't wrong. They got the right target, but for the wrong reasons (got their priorities wrong). And even with that, the Democrats and the left are going out of their way to excuse the crazy and the fringe left too.

It's little wonder that there are clowns on the left and jokers on the right. We're surrounded by the crazy.

350 Killgore Trout  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 12:58:03pm

re: #333 sattv4u2

I thought it was the UN calling for the new monetary system


They can call for whatever they want. Ain't gonna happen. If I had to guess if this were to happen it would be from the G8 or G20 or whatever they're called now.

351 Kosh's Shadow  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 12:58:12pm

re: #342 Ben Hur

JESUS SAVES!
MOSES INVESTS!

Jesus saves!
At 1st National Bank, where he gets 2.5% interest!

352 Oh no...Sand People!  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 12:58:22pm

re: #344 iceweasel

False, buzz, Homophobia perfectly describes people who are both pruriently fascinated with, and compelled to condemn, gay sex. Like the kind of freak who accuses other posters of 'having an obsession with the anal cavity', right after he's told someone else to jam a broomstick up his ass--because he's so humilated and angry at losing an argument.

Homophobia. It's real. And we're here, we're queer, get used to it-- as the slogan says.

I'm sure no-one here endorses homophobia, or wants to pretend it doesn't exist. Isn't that true?

To me it's akin to "Islamophobia"...and since Islam isn't a race...

There should be a more correct term in my opinion aside from Homophobia.

353 DaddyG  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 12:58:38pm

re: #336 Throbert McGee

Never attribute to the cumulative influence of many unconnected individuals that which can be far less succinctly explained by an all-powerful cabal with infinitely long tentacles.

Never underestimate the power of stupid people in large groups. (On a t-shirt of mine)

354 Charles Johnson  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 12:58:42pm

re: #348 buzzsawmonkey

I have no idea what thread you are babbling about, nor do I ever remember calling you "a commie scumbag and an asshole." Not my sort of language, for starters. Sounds to me as though you are playing with your set of chrome-plated shit-stirrers again.

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

355 Ben Hur  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 12:59:00pm

re: #344 iceweasel


Like the kind of freak who accuses other posters of 'having an obsession with the anal cavity', right after he's told someone else to jam a broomstick up his ass--because he's so humilated and angry at losing an argument.

You don't mean here, right?

356 opnion  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 12:59:03pm

re: #291 Athos

Ya can't believe that. Those from Titan have always had it in for those from Jupiter...

Big Bias hugh? Figures, maybe bush really is from Texas.

357 DaddyG  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 12:59:22pm

re: #339 Killgore Trout

I found the video posted on Stormfront.

Got a link? ///

358 [deleted]  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 12:59:28pm
359 Pianobuff  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 12:59:35pm

re: #312 Charles

Yes, that was a pretty infamous case. Another one is Robert Stacy McCain, who has connections to the white supremacist groups American Renaissance and the League of the South.


I don't know if you've seen this one before. If not, you might like to have it handy.

I'm not saying that every WT article is by definition flawed or incorrect. They've published some good stuff before. But it always helps to know where someone's coming from ... right, left, and all points in between.

360 Oh no...Sand People!  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 12:59:36pm

re: #351 Kosh's Shadow

Jesus saves!
At 1st National Bank, where he gets 2.5% interest!

I thought it was Zion's First National bank...that's where I bank anyway..

Not even sarc!

361 Oh no...Sand People!  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 1:00:42pm

re: #354 Charles

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

WAIT! They aren't run-ons in that quote! Shows them being 2 separate things! One or the other not both!

/

362 DaddyG  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 1:01:21pm

re: #343 Kosh's Shadow

Fortunately, I've avoided that one. In fact, I avoid a lot of popular crap by not being in places it is played, and my daughter had better taste (she's now married and living in Maryland)


I am still surrounded by pre-teen and teenage girls/young women. I cannot avoid pop culture so easily. I do like to make up fake lyrics and sing them at the top of my voice, especially to whiney angst ridden boy band songs. It is my only defense against the dark arts.

363 yochanan  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 1:02:15pm

re: #348 buzzsawmonkey

you might be right in any case.

frankly i will not change what my belief of marriage is what ever the state, the uber liberal univeristy chatting class or the p.c. crowd tell me to believe

a jewish wedding is between a male and a female with some other details that may apply or may not apply depending on the jew.

364 Ben Hur  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 1:02:19pm

re: #354 Charles

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

Looks like a sarcastic response to a sarcastic post.

365 sattv4u2  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 1:03:52pm

re: #351 Kosh's Shadow

Jesus saves!
At 1st National Bank, where he gets 2.5% interest!

And a free toaster for opening up a new account

366 DaddyG  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 1:03:52pm

re: #345 Oh no...Sand People!

Why did Brigham cross the road?

/

Top get to the other wives? / (I am so going to outer darkness now...)

367 Oh no...Sand People!  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 1:04:41pm

re: #366 DaddyG

Well...to get to the other Bride...but close enough...

368 Gus  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 1:04:41pm

re: #337 Killgore Trout

It might happen someday. I really don't understand economics well enough to predict the likelihood of it but it might even be inevitable. It won't, however, be the end of the world and it probably won't happen anytime soon.

This is interesting because when we find deficiencies in systems set in place the typical response by societies has been to adapt new policies. An example is how we went from the gold standard to the Federal Reserve system. Many other forms preceded this over a period thousands of years.

It seems that many people are refusing to even consider whatever changes we may need to employ in the future even if it would be done to avoid catastrophe -- perhaps a form of economic Luddism? Somehow I don't think that 1000 years from now society will be utilizing whatever financial mechanisms that are employed today and will be regarded as archaic by then.

Ron Paul as usual suggests we go back in time. In the end we will move forward and over the years things will change. This is not suggest that we do not proceed with caution.

369 Dianna  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 1:05:16pm

re: #366 DaddyG

Top get to the other wives? / (I am so going to outer darkness now...)

Actually, one suspects he was fleeing from at least 71. It puts the whole, "I got seven women on my mind" thing into perspective.

370 [deleted]  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 1:05:52pm
371 [deleted]  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 1:05:58pm
372 Charles Johnson  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 1:06:00pm

re: #359 Pianobuff

I don't know if you've seen this one before. If not, you might like to have it handy.

I'm not saying that every WT article is by definition flawed or incorrect. They've published some good stuff before. But it always helps to know where someone's coming from ... right, left, and all points in between.

I have seen that article. It's a real eye-opener about the Washington Times.

I wish I'd known the information in that article sooner -- I never would have linked to the Washington Times for anything.

373 Occasional Reader  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 1:06:18pm

re: #319 Kosh's Shadow

From the Ani DiFranco song

Who, by the way, is a wretched human being who applauded the 9/11 attacks (or, more precisely, begged for applause for the 9/11 attacks from a live audience... and got it).

374 Desert Dog  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 1:06:19pm

re: #313 Charles

But he has some good ideas! We can't reject what he says out of hand!

Hey, maybe there really IS a New World Order. Ever think of that?

Yes, but unfortunately for them, Glenn and Ron will be the first ones lined up against a wall when the new masters take overre: #323 Charles

Good grief. This is pure John Birch Society propaganda.

Nobody even seems to care that Glenn Beck is promoting these conspiracy theories from racist groups.

It's going to catch up with him some day. This is watching a slow motion train wreck.

375 BARACK THE VOTE  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 1:06:56pm

re: #348 buzzsawmonkey


I have no idea what thread you are babbling about, nor do I ever remember calling you "a commie scumbag and an asshole." Not my sort of language, for starters. Sounds to me as though you are playing with your set of chrome-plated shit-stirrers again.

Liar. And Coward. It was last night.
[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

And your comment about biology being destiny for women has been deleted, Mullah Buzzsaw-- but my answer to you stands.

And I am more than willing to debate you on your fucked up ideas right now, on that thread-- the one you cowardly snuck into last night when you were getting your ass kicked.

No need to stink up the new thread. But why don't you throw down your disgusting, anti-science, insulting, misogynstic claims in real time on that thread right now when I'm there.

376 nordink  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 1:06:57pm

re: #5 Sharmuta

I just saw Charles' comment that the editorial writer here has well known connections to white supremacists. Suddenly I have less passion to defend his writing.

Thanks for being polite to me -- I'm a fairly new commenter, and this was certainly my first 'argument' online. It was nice disagreeing with you. ;-)

377 Pianobuff  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 1:07:33pm

re: #337 Killgore Trout

It might happen someday. I really don't understand economics well enough to predict the likelihood of it but it might even be inevitable. It won't, however, be the end of the world and it probably won't happen anytime soon.

Based on my limited understanding, I really hope something like this doesn't happen.

But if it did, just picture this: Alex Jones, David Icke, and Ron Paul on the cover of Time with the caption "They Were Right".

Now toss out the image.

378 Occasional Reader  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 1:07:43pm

re: #355 Ben Hur

right after he's told someone else to jam a broomstick up his ass--because he's so humilated and angry at losing an argument.

You don't mean here, right?

Were you pointing toward your ass when you typed that?

/

379 DaddyG  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 1:07:44pm

So... was Obama really in the Skulls with Bush, Soros and the Queen of England? //

380 Guanxi88  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 1:08:11pm

re: #379 DaddyG

So... was Obama really in the Skulls with Bush, Soros and the Queen of England? //

And Colonel Sanders, too!

381 Killgore Trout  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 1:08:26pm

re: #368 Gus 802

Agreed. Especially with the rise of of internet and economic globalism things are changing. We are all connected economically these days. New rules and new systems will be put in place to adapt to the changing global economy. Change is the only constant.

382 Sharmuta  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 1:08:33pm

re: #376 nordink

I just saw Charles' comment that the editorial writer here has well known connections to white supremacists. Suddenly I have less passion to defend his writing.

Thanks for being polite to me -- I'm a fairly new commenter, and this was certainly my first 'argument' online. It was nice disagreeing with you. ;-)

I'm glad we could have a civil debate, and perhaps in the future we can have another or find points on which we agree. :)

Oh- and welcome to LGF!

383 Creeping Eruption  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 1:08:41pm

re: #376 nordink

I just saw Charles' comment that the editorial writer here has well known connections to white supremacists. Suddenly I have less passion to defend his writing.

Thanks for being polite to me -- I'm a fairly new commenter, and this was certainly my first 'argument' online. It was nice disagreeing with you. ;-)

Your first . . and against Sharmuta . . .and your still standing? Not bad Grasshopper.

384 Ben Hur  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 1:09:21pm

Mohamed ElBaradei left out evidence of Iran bomb, France claims

This is Mohamed ElBaradei’s last year addressing the annual conference of the International Atomic Energy Agency.

He will not be universally missed. Long chided for being soft on Iran, he goes into this year’s conference amid a diplomatic storm over whether he has deliberately hidden evidence of Iran’s work on a nuclear bomb.

France and Israel have led the charge against Dr ElBaradei, saying that his latest report on Iran’s nuclear programme omitted evidence that the agency had been given about an alleged covert weaponisation plan.

The Israeli Foreign Ministry said that the report did not reflect all that the agency knew about Iran’s “efforts to continue to pursue its military programme”.

France went farther, alleging the existence of an unpublished annexe that addresses the evidence that Iran may be building an atom bomb.

Bernard Kouchner, the French Foreign Minister, said that France had attended a technical briefing that covered the material, so was surprised to find it missing from the report.

“In the annexes there are specifically elements which enable us to ask about the reality of an atomic bomb,” he said “There are issues of warheads, of transport.”

385 Sharmuta  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 1:09:45pm

re: #383 Creeping Eruption

I don't always move in for the kill! ;p

386 Bagua  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 1:09:50pm

re: #333 sattv4u2

I thought it was the UN calling for the new monetary system

[Link: www.telegraph.co.uk...]

Yes that's right, but there is the idea of a "new world order" as an organised conspiracy of secret societies and such, and then just the emergence of International Law and such as championed by the UN, and various Tranzies and NGOs

387 Charles Johnson  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 1:09:55pm

re: #376 nordink

I just saw Charles' comment that the editorial writer here has well known connections to white supremacists. Suddenly I have less passion to defend his writing.

Thanks for being polite to me -- I'm a fairly new commenter, and this was certainly my first 'argument' online. It was nice disagreeing with you. ;-)

From the article linked by Pianobuff above: SPLCenter.org: Defending Dixie.

Pruden was elevated from managing editor to top dog of the Times in 1992. It was pivotal time for the paper. With the Cold War won and conservative politics in the ascendant, the paper needed a fresh sense of mission. When he sat down for a long interview with Southern Partisan not long after his promotion, Pruden left little doubt about where he would lead the paper.

After singling out the Southern culture warrior, Sen. Jesse Helms, as a political hero, Pruden bragged about his great-grandmother shooting a Union cavalryman and boasted that the Times was the most "in-your-face" conservative newspaper in America. When Robert E. Lee's birthday rolls around every year, he said, "I make sure we have a story" — especially because the occasion "falls around Martin Luther King's birthday."

Pruden started with the Times shortly after its founding. He was originally hired on a probationary basis, founding editor and publisher James Whelan told the Washington Business Journal, because Pruden had run into ethical problems as a reporter.

According to Whelan, Pruden was fired in 1978 by the now-defunct National Observer, where he had worked for 14 years, under suspicion that he had "manufactured" quotes in his stories. (Pruden refused to comment on the reasons for his ouster, except to say it involved "a couple of stories I'd done.")

Born and raised in Arkansas, Pruden has a deep-rooted affection for Dixie. His father, the Rev. Wesley Pruden Sr., was a leading spokesperson for Little Rock's racist Capital Citizens Council, which fought bitterly against school desegregation in the 1950s and 1960s. During the landmark confrontations at Little Rock High School in 1957, when President Dwight Eisenhower sent National Guard troops to protect nine black teenagers as they entered the white school, Pruden Sr. reportedly told the assembled mob: "That's what we've got to fight! n*****s, Communists, and cops!"

388 A Man for all Seasons  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 1:10:13pm

re: #362 DaddyG

I am still surrounded by pre-teen and teenage girls/young women. I cannot avoid pop culture so easily. I do like to make up fake lyrics and sing them at the top of my voice, especially to whiney angst ridden boy band songs. It is my only defense against the dark arts.


I goonna neeed sambadddy
I have a solution...I'll put a bucket on my head and allow swings with a baseball bat for 5 dollars... It's a win-win..I get that song out of my head and we'll pay for health-care for the whole year.

389 BARACK THE VOTE  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 1:10:32pm

re: #364 Ben Hur

Looks like a sarcastic response to a sarcastic post.

Bullshit. It was an offensive and disgusting and insulting post the he left on a dead thread in response to an obvious joke of mine.

Or you can defend the use of 'communist scumbag' and 'asshole' as 'joking.'

BTW, if you do that? I reckon you have no right to complain when i use the word 'wingnut' or 'butthurt'. Just sayin'.

390 Sharmuta  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 1:10:38pm

re: #381 Killgore Trout

Agreed. Especially with the rise of of internet and economic globalism things are changing. We are all connected economically these days. New rules and new systems will be put in place to adapt to the changing global economy. Change is the only constant.

That's what my government teach taught us- along side death and taxes.

391 Pianobuff  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 1:10:50pm

re: #372 Charles

I have seen that article. It's a real eye-opener about the Washington Times.

I wish I'd known the information in that article sooner -- I never would have linked to the Washington Times for anything.

I'm not really familiar with the Southern Poverty Law Center to know if they have a big enough axe to grind or another political agenda with WT to embellish or falsify, so I can't really vouch for it, but much of it would seem to be verifiable stuff, with perhaps more context to draw on from other sources. There's not enough time to track down everything in the world so I just read the article have left it at that for now.

I will still read WT articles, but always with a filter.

392 Charles Johnson  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 1:10:52pm

Another quote from the SPLC article:

In 1998, Pruden, whose newspaper is the only major daily in America that runs a weekly page about a war that ended 138 years ago, spoke to the United Daughters of the Confederacy at the Manassas Battlefield Park. He began by making the kind of promise most editors avoid at any cost: "I will never fail to respond to you when you call on me for help, because I believe in what you are doing to cherish and protect and preserve the heritage of our great Southern people."

Concluding with a flourish, Pruden said "Southerners ... hold loyalty to two countries in our hearts." The second country is one "baptized 137 years ago on this very field in the blood of First Manassas, a country no longer at the mercy of the vicissitudes in the tangled affairs of men, a country that lives within us, a country that will endure for as long as men and women know love. ... God bless America, God bless the Confederate States of America, and God bless you all."

393 Ben Hur  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 1:11:24pm

re: #378 Occasional Reader

Were you pointing toward your ass when you typed that?

/

For the life of me, I can't remember where I got this broomstick!

394 Spider Mensch  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 1:12:01pm

re: #375 iceweasel

Liar. And Coward. It was last night.
[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

And your comment about biology being destiny for women has been deleted, Mullah Buzzsaw-- but my answer to you stands.

And I am more than willing to debate you on your fucked up ideas right now, on that thread-- the one you cowardly snuck into last night when you were getting your ass kicked.

No need to stink up the new thread. But why don't you throw down your disgusting, anti-science, insulting, misogynstic claims in real time on that thread right now when I'm there.

yeah! and after she's done with you, meet me at the swing set at recess, I'm gonna teach you a lesson for stealing my little sisters milk money..oooh you!

395 DaddyG  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 1:12:04pm

re: #381 Killgore Trout

Agreed. Especially with the rise of of internet and economic globalism things are changing. We are all connected economically these days. New rules and new systems will be put in place to adapt to the changing global economy. Change is the only constant.


What really blows my mind about the current economic global crisis is that it seems to be almost exclusively paper and policy based. The great depression had an environmental and agricultural disaster as one driving force. This current "crisis" seems very artificial and self induced to me.

396 Gus  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 1:12:09pm

re: #344 iceweasel

False, buzz, Homophobia perfectly describes people who are both pruriently fascinated with, and compelled to condemn, gay sex. Like the kind of freak who accuses other posters of 'having an obsession with the anal cavity', right after he's told someone else to jam a broomstick up his ass--because he's so humiliated and angry at losing an argument.

Homophobia. It's real. And we're here, we're queer, get used to it-- as the slogan says.

I'm sure no-one here endorses homophobia, or wants to pretend it doesn't exist. Isn't that true?

Yes, it's real. One doesn't even have to be gay to experience the effects of homophobia. I recall once being with a friend in a bar and we were having a conversation and eventually the bartender decidedly asked us, "so what's it like to be in a gay bar?" Ironically, or not so ironically, this took place in San Francisco. Similar behavior as this can even be seen in certain segments of the blogosphere.

397 [deleted]  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 1:12:28pm
398 theheat  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 1:13:09pm

re: #377 Pianobuff

But if it did, just picture this: Alex Jones, David Icke, and Ron Paul on the cover of Time with the caption "They Were Right".

Please tell me in this image they have their shirts on.

399 Throbert McGee  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 1:13:33pm

re: #322 buzzsawmonkey

"Homophobic" is pseudo-scientific crap language designed to make someone who disagrees with the gay-rights agitation of the moment sound clinically deranged.

That's a bit of a wild reach -- to assert that because a lot of gay activists cynically misuse the term "homophobia" in exactly the sense you describe, the word therefore has no valid real-life referent at all.

It's like saying that because some Jewish political activists use the charge of "antisemitism" as a cheap-and-easy rhetorical attack against opponents, that Judenhass isn't real. Or, similarly, like saying that because black-victimhood hustlers like Al Sharpton exist, that there really aren't any white racists who despise blacks for their blackness.

I see no contradiction in saying that "90% of You homophobic homophobe! accusations are political BS, but homophobia is still a real-life problem."

400 Pianobuff  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 1:13:54pm

re: #398 theheat

Please tell me in this image they have their shirts on.

Not a chance. They are all wearing Joker makeup!

401 Ben Hur  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 1:15:45pm

re: #389 iceweasel

Bullshit. It was an offensive and disgusting and insulting post the he left on a dead thread in response to an obvious joke of mine.

Or you can defend the use of 'communist scumbag' and 'asshole' as 'joking.'

BTW, if you do that? I reckon you have no right to complain when i use the word 'wingnut' or 'butthurt'. Just sayin'.

Hey, I was late to the party.

I didn't see anything other than that one exchange.

I just gave my impression, not judgment.

I thought your post was exaggerated sarcasm as well.

402 Athos  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 1:15:48pm

re: #392 Charles

Pruden must feel right at home with Rockwell and those of the von Misses Institute...

403 Gus  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 1:15:54pm

re: #381 Killgore Trout

Agreed. Especially with the rise of of internet and economic globalism things are changing. We are all connected economically these days. New rules and new systems will be put in place to adapt to the changing global economy. Change is the only constant.

People seem to forget about the IMF, WTO, NAFTA, G8, G20, etc. All are recent additions that affect monetary policy. Smaller things like credit cards or debit cards which some ironically see as a threat to their privacy and then some.

404 Desert Dog  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 1:16:03pm

re: #400 Pianobuff

Not a chance. They are all wearing Joker makeup!

And, you can't see their faces as their head as waaay up their butts.

405 yochanan  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 1:16:26pm

re: #397 buzzsawmonkey

buzz i find it better just not to talk to her.
you will find your blood pressure going down, you will smile more. and since no one's opinion will be changed why bother?

406 Ben Hur  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 1:16:54pm

re: #389 iceweasel

Bullshit. It was an offensive and disgusting and insulting post the he left on a dead thread in response to an obvious joke of mine.

Or you can defend the use of 'communist scumbag' and 'asshole' as 'joking.'

BTW, if you do that? I reckon you have no right to complain when i use the word 'wingnut' or 'butthurt'. Just sayin'.

What is a "butthurt?"

407 Creeping Eruption  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 1:17:24pm

re: #406 Ben Hur

What is a "butthurt?"

You know that broom you were referencing above . . . ?/

408 Occasional Reader  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 1:17:37pm

re: #399 Throbert McGee

That's a bit of a wild reach -- to assert that because a lot of gay activists cynically misuse the term "homophobia" in exactly the sense you describe, the word therefore has no valid real-life referent at all.

It's like saying that because some Jewish political activists use the charge of "antisemitism" as a cheap-and-easy rhetorical attack against opponents, that Judenhass isn't real. Or, similarly, like saying that because black-victimhood hustlers like Al Sharpton exist, that there really aren't any white racists who despise blacks for their blackness.

I see no contradiction in saying that "90% of You homophobic homophobe! accusations are political BS, but homophobia is still a real-life problem."

I think buzz is making reference to the "-phobia" suffix, and its implicit connotation of a psychological condition. I, too, find that language sloppy, as I would describing Pat Buchanan as a "judeophobe". The problem is hate, or bigotry, not "fear".

409 Killgore Trout  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 1:17:45pm

re: #395 DaddyG

What really blows my mind about the current economic global crisis is that it seems to be almost exclusively paper and policy based. The great depression had an environmental and agricultural disaster as one driving force. This current "crisis" seems very artificial and self induced to me.

What's also important is that this was also an American thing. We (or at least our financial institutions) caused a global economic crisis.

410 Sharmuta  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 1:18:06pm

re: #408 Occasional Reader

I think buzz is making reference to the "-phobia" suffix, and its implicit connotation of a psychological condition. I, too, find that language sloppy, as I would describing Pat Buchanan as a "judeophobe". The problem is hate, or bigotry, not "fear".

Fear leads to anger.

411 Ben Hur  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 1:18:11pm

re: #407 Creeping Eruption

You know that broom you were referencing above . . . ?/

mutha f*cka.

THAT'S how it got here!

LOL!

412 BARACK THE VOTE  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 1:18:35pm

re: #371 buzzsawmonkey

Well, gosharootie, I stand corrected. I guess even the best of us steps out of character at times.

It seems, however, that iceweasel has a problem taking in stride being on the receiving end of the same sort of good-natured raillery she has done so much to promote here of late.

Good natured raillery?

Find me links to anywhere I called anyone an asshole or a scumbag. I have at least 2 of you calling me an asshole out of the blue when I'm having friendly chats with other commenters.

You are a liar and a coward. And in typical liar and cowardly fashion, you first pretended it didn't happen, and now you want to pretend it's actually my fault you called me a 'commie scumbag".

BTW, buzz, were you joking when you said Biology was Destiny for women, and that Women's Liberation was all about fucking for fun?
Enquiring minds would like to know.

I could call you an asshole and a scumbag, and claim it was 'goodnatured raillery', but oddly enough I don't find that funny. Huh.

413 Ben Hur  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 1:18:49pm

re: #410 Sharmuta

Fear leads to anger.

Fear usually leads to shitting pants.

414 yochanan  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 1:18:54pm

re: #399 Throbert McGee

why do you care what others think on this issue.?

415 Honorary Yooper  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 1:18:55pm

re: #359 Pianobuff

I went lookign through the SPL Center's site and found a very interesting and telling map. Hate groups seem to have concentrations in certain parts of the country and are virtually nonexistent in others.

416 [deleted]  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 1:18:58pm
417 Occasional Reader  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 1:19:26pm

re: #403 Gus 802

The IMF isn't all that recent; it dates from 1945, IIRC, part of the Bretton Woods accord.

418 BARACK THE VOTE  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 1:19:32pm

re: #396 Gus 802

Yes, it's real. One doesn't even have to be gay to experience the effects of homophobia. I recall once being with a friend in a bar and we were having a conversation and eventually the bartender decidedly asked us, "so what's it like to be in a gay bar?" Ironically, or not so ironically, this took place in San Francisco. Similar behavior as this can even be seen in certain segments of the blogosphere.

Of course it's real, and only a homophobic liar would claim otherwise.

419 Killgore Trout  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 1:19:34pm

re: #403 Gus 802

Smaller things like credit cards or debit cards which some ironically see as a threat to their privacy and then some.


I love being able to walk up to an ATM in London and use my credit card to get cash. Remember the days of having to buy Traveler's Checks?

420 Sharmuta  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 1:19:44pm

re: #413 Ben Hur

Fear usually leads to shitting pants.

People tend to hate what they fear.

421 Occasional Reader  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 1:20:30pm

re: #410 Sharmuta

Fear leads to anger.

Yoda quoting you are.

422 [deleted]  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 1:20:47pm
423 Ben Hur  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 1:20:52pm

re: #420 Sharmuta

People tend to hate what they fear.

That's logical, no?

And admit my comment was funny.

424 Pianobuff  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 1:20:55pm

re: #402 Athos

Pruden must feel right at home with Rockwell and those of the von Misses Institute...

It's kind of a shame that the Vienna school went in such a strange direction.

I can't imagine Von Mises and Hayek being comfortable with where things are over at VMI right now. I think a lot of this started with the Rothbardization and has continued down a strange road.

Sad too, because Von Mises business cycle theory (as best I understand it as a non-economist) has had some very interesting potential applications in the past decade or two, but that got lost in the sauce of the overly emphasized minarchist/anarchist stuff.

425 Sharmuta  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 1:21:15pm

re: #421 Occasional Reader

Yoda quoting you are.

Yes- but it's one of the most profound quotes in all 6 movies.

426 BARACK THE VOTE  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 1:21:30pm

re: #401 Ben Hur

Hey, I was late to the party.

I didn't see anything other than that one exchange.

I just gave my impression, not judgment.

I thought your post was exaggerated sarcasm as well.

I urge you to read the rest of the thread from that exchange and follow the links. That's all.

427 DaddyG  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 1:21:41pm

re: #409 Killgore Trout

What's also important is that this was also an American thing. We (or at least our financial institutions) caused a global economic crisis.


...at the behest of our congress. The worst political scandal I can see in the last several decades is the undermining of the economy by dripping protections and pressuring financial institutions to loan money to people who couldn't afford it or were looking to turn investments for a quick buck without substancially improving the assets. Instead we debate Obama's birth certificate and if he should talk to grade schoolers about doing their homework.

Ugh!

428 Occasional Reader  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 1:21:41pm

re: #419 Killgore Trout

I love being able to walk up to an ATM in London and use my credit card to get cash. Remember the days of having to buy Traveler's Checks?

I'm amazed that anyone still SELLS Traveler's Cheques. Yet they do.

(Then again, I don't know why people use debit cards, either.)

429 Sharmuta  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 1:21:53pm

re: #423 Ben Hur

That's logical, no?

And admit my comment was funny.

It was so funny, I wee-weed myself- but don't tell on me.

430 Gus  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 1:21:54pm

re: #417 Occasional Reader

The IMF isn't all that recent; it dates from 1945, IIRC, part of the Bretton Woods accord.

I considered that as a recent because I was thinking in terms of millennia.

431 [deleted]  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 1:21:54pm
432 Gus  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 1:22:40pm

re: #419 Killgore Trout

I love being able to walk up to an ATM in London and use my credit card to get cash. Remember the days of having to buy Traveler's Checks?

I only did that once. My hand got really tired after signing all of those checks!

433 Ben Hur  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 1:23:04pm

re: #426 iceweasel

I urge you to read the rest of the thread from that exchange and follow the links. That's all.

I rarely scroll up.

It's a flaw.

434 debutaunt  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 1:23:12pm

re: #428 Occasional Reader

I'm amazed that anyone still SELLS Traveler's Cheques. Yet they do.

(Then again, I don't know why people use debit cards, either.)

Here - take my money before I spend it.

435 Creeping Eruption  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 1:23:20pm

re: #415 Honorary Yooper

I went lookign through the SPL Center's site and found a very interesting and telling map. Hate groups seem to have concentrations in certain parts of the country and are virtually nonexistent in others.

Wow. I didnt know WI had Kluxers. Learn something new everyday.

436 Occasional Reader  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 1:23:25pm

re: #430 Gus 802

I considered that as a recent because I was thinking in terms of millennia.

I didn't realize you were that old...

(next you'll be singing the praises of Saran Wrap)

437 Honorary Yooper  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 1:23:31pm

re: #391 Pianobuff

The Southern Poverty Law Center has been documenting racial hate for decades now. IMHO, they're pretty reputable. They document neo-Nazis, white nationalists, black spearatists, Holocaust deniers, and general hate. Basically any group with an axe of hate to grind.

438 Guanxi88  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 1:23:34pm

re: #432 Gus 802

I only did that once. My hand got really tired after signing all of those checks!

Seinfeld - royalty checks. "Super Happy Funtime show"

439 Pianobuff  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 1:23:34pm

re: #415 Honorary Yooper

I went lookign through the SPL Center's site and found a very interesting and telling map. Hate groups seem to have concentrations in certain parts of the country and are virtually nonexistent in others.

Neat find. Something tells me this will prove to be a handy reference item for some here and will be bookmarked accordingly. Thanks!

440 [deleted]  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 1:23:37pm
441 Sharmuta  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 1:23:55pm

re: #431 buzzsawmonkey

"Homophobia" is a similar attempt to use pseudo-scientific terminology, though in this case it was introduced by the targets of prejudice to delegitimize the prejudiced.

Shouldn't prejudices be delegitimized?

442 Jack Burton  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 1:24:04pm

re: #318 Pianobuff

Play fantasy land with me just for one moment.

I'm only bringing this up because of an article I read earlier on one of the policy teams over at the UN recommending to dump the dollar in favor of a new global currency.

Now this is just fantasy, but...

What if this were to ever happen and the UN established a new currency and dumped the dollar?

What the hell would all of us say here while David Icke and Alex Jones are off dancing the lesghinka somewhere?

The Paulians, Libertarian kook fringe, and various militia-"patriot" people have been handwringing about global currency, among other things for a long time. They are always warning about steps that will bring this about, but never bother to explain to anyone why we should be concerned. Ask one and they will either not know the answer or they will ramble on about how it will make it easier for "them®" to control you. As soon as I realized that blaming "The Man®" was not a legitimate answer for any question in politics and economics, I stopped falling for the nonsense from these kooks.

443 Gus  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 1:24:32pm

re: #436 Occasional Reader

I didn't realize you were that old...

(next you'll be singing the praises of Saran Wrap)

And the flying machine! /

444 Sharmuta  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 1:24:58pm

re: #440 buzzsawmonkey

Really want to know what you meant by "the self-delusion that biology is not destiny".

445 [deleted]  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 1:25:03pm
446 Guanxi88  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 1:25:22pm

re: #436 Occasional Reader

I didn't realize you were that old...

(next you'll be singing the praises of Saran Wrap)

Well, it's better than waxed paper.

447 [deleted]  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 1:25:32pm
448 Ben Hur  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 1:25:51pm

re: #444 Sharmuta

Really want to know what you meant by "the self-delusion that biology is not destiny".

I know.

449 yochanan  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 1:26:00pm

re: #415 Honorary Yooper

problem is these are almost all right wing hate groups no muslim jihadi groups, no extremist leftist groups. how come jihadist groups aren't on there map. is it because of there leftist bias. i see no leftist anti zionist hate groups either.

450 Teh Flowah  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 1:26:24pm

re: #19 Ben Hur

Do you believe that this was anything but a mistake, a misprint or oversight by an editor?

This rises to the level of "57 states?"

Again, I know what I believe about the Obama school speech episode, but this guys argument is not valid, and is threadworthy because he (or an editor) got the school wrong?

I'm not seeing something shadowing here.

57 states can easily be a typo. The 4 and 5 keys are right next to each other. For Yale, he had to be confusing Obama for Bush or something.

451 Pianobuff  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 1:26:43pm

re: #437 Honorary Yooper

The Southern Poverty Law Center has been documenting racial hate for decades now. IMHO, they're pretty reputable. They document neo-Nazis, white nationalists, black spearatists, Holocaust deniers, and general hate. Basically any group with an axe of hate to grind.

Great. Thanks for the tip.

452 [deleted]  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 1:26:53pm
453 Honorary Yooper  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 1:27:54pm

re: #449 yochanan

problem is these are almost all right wing hate groups no muslim jihadi groups, no extremist leftist groups. how come jihadist groups aren't on there map. is it because of there leftist bias. i see no leftist anti zionist hate groups either.

They deal with hate that is mostly racially based within the US. Jihadist groups tend to come from without the US.

454 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 1:27:55pm

re: #450 Teh Flowah

57 states can easily be a typo. The 4 and 5 keys are right next to each other. For Yale, he had to be confusing Obama for Bush or something.

I thought only Stephen Hawking talks through a keyboard?

455 Gus  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 1:28:00pm

Maybe we're just employing semantics on this homophobia question? The word is largely accepted to describe similar phenomenons. There's no doubt that it will change over the years. Otherwise we might have a case of phobophobia. ;)

456 BARACK THE VOTE  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 1:28:44pm

re: #405 yochanan

buzz i find it better just not to talk to her.
you will find your blood pressure going down, you will smile more. and since no one's opinion will be changed why bother?

That's the point. He prefers to run away or leave comments on a dead thread calling me a 'commie scumbag' and an 'asshole' rather than engaging with an actual argument.

BTW, this isn't actually about me. My life isn't going to change because Brave Sir Buzzsaw likes to leave vicious comments about me in dead threads.

This is about pointing out that those of you who believe Sir Buzzsaw is some wonderful debater and an asset to LGF should see him for what he is: a nasty, sneaking person who regularly dumps on 'liberal' posters, especially in old threads, when he's getting his ass kicked elsewhere. He insists that women's liberation is about "the self-delusion that biology is not destiny". He tries to pretend that LVQ should choose between being a Jew and a scientist-- as if that were a reasonable dichotomy-- and lies and runs away when called on it.

He is a real asset to this place, yes. A real treasure.

457 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 1:29:08pm

re: #452 buzzsawmonkey

How many men are there at lying-in hospitals? As pregnant patients, that is--not staff.

Has a man's destiny ever been defined as 'not bearing children'?

458 sattv4u2  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 1:29:10pm

re: #412 iceweasel

Good natured raillery?

Find me links to anywhere I called anyone an asshole or a scumbag. I have at least 2 of you calling me an asshole out of the blue when I'm having friendly chats with other commenters.

You are a liar and a coward. And in typical liar and cowardly fashion, you first pretended it didn't happen, and now you want to pretend it's actually my fault you called me a 'commie scumbag".

BTW, buzz, were you joking when you said Biology was Destiny for women, and that Women's Liberation was all about fucking for fun?
Enquiring minds would like to know.

I could call you an asshole and a scumbag, and claim it was 'goodnatured raillery', but oddly enough I don't find that funny. Huh.

Not zactly ,, but close enough??

The Pill was completely about Women's Liberation, you dumb fuck. Like the idea that you could control your reproductive life and not have to drop out of college or grad school when you and your husband got pregnant

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

459 Ben Hur  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 1:29:35pm

re: #450 Teh Flowah

57 states can easily be a typo. The 4 and 5 keys are right next to each other. For Yale, he had to be confusing Obama for Bush or something.

That almost got by me.

Reminds me of this:

[Link: failblog.org...]

460 Occasional Reader  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 1:29:44pm

re: #456 iceweasel

He is a real asset to this place, yes. A real treasure.

Finally! We agree on something.

Yes, he is.

461 Creeping Eruption  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 1:30:17pm

re: #456 iceweasel

We too can read, Ice. We can also form coherent (usually) thoughts about what we read.

462 [deleted]  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 1:30:27pm
463 Sharmuta  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 1:30:33pm

re: #460 Occasional Reader

Yeah- love being told my uterus is my destiny.

464 DaddyG  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 1:30:57pm

re: #455 Gus 802

Maybe we're just employing semantics on this homophobia question? The word is largely accepted to describe similar phenomenons. There's no doubt that it will change over the years. Otherwise we might have a case of phobophobia. ;)

More likely a case of offensisensitivity.

465 [deleted]  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 1:30:57pm
466 [deleted]  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 1:31:49pm
467 BARACK THE VOTE  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 1:32:14pm

re: #455 Gus 802

Maybe we're just employing semantics on this homophobia question? The word is largely accepted to describe similar phenomenons. There's no doubt that it will change over the years. Otherwise we might have a case of phobophobia. ;)

Phobia is from the greek word phobos, fear, which is also the name of one of mars' moons IIRC. The other is deimos, terror. Since Mars was the god of war, it made sense for the moons to be named after fear and terror.

There's nothing clinical or weird about appending 'phobia' to something to mean 'fear of'. Homophobia is not in the DSM-IV and no one thinks it should be.

468 Desert Dog  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 1:32:33pm

re: #437 Honorary Yooper

The Southern Poverty Law Center has been documenting racial hate for decades now. IMHO, they're pretty reputable. They document neo-Nazis, white nationalists, black spearatists, Holocaust deniers, and general hate. Basically any group with an axe of hate to grind.

They document "hate groups" such as the ones you listed above, and that, of course, is a good thing. But, they are quite left leaning in their stances on most issues. Think ACLU and that is what you have with the SPLC.

469 BARACK THE VOTE  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 1:32:53pm

re: #458 sattv4u2

The word 'dumb fuck' was fully earned there, and I stand by it.

470 Occasional Reader  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 1:33:05pm

re: #463 Sharmuta

Yeah- love being told my uterus is my destiny.

If you actually interpret buzzsaw's remarks to mean that he thinks that women are baby-factories, I just don't know what to say.

471 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 1:33:27pm

re: #462 buzzsawmonkey

Your point?

'Biology is destiny' has a fairly specific meaning, which links women's lives, mental health, and social roles, inextricably to their reproductive lives. It does not simply mean that there are biological/reproductive differences between the sexes.

I missed the earlier discussion, thank God, so I don't know exactly how it's being applied here.

472 Pianobuff  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 1:33:29pm

re: #442 ArchangelMichael

The Paulians, Libertarian kook fringe, and various militia-"patriot" people have been handwringing about global currency, among other things for a long time. They are always warning about steps that will bring this about, but never bother to explain to anyone why we should be concerned. Ask one and they will either not know the answer or they will ramble on about how it will make it easier for "them®" to control you. As soon as I realized that blaming "The Man®" was not a legitimate answer for any question in politics and economics, I stopped falling for the nonsense from these kooks.

Yes, I think we may have covered a little of this in a previous discussion. Believe me, I'm not on that ledge.

The shame, as I mention in a previous post, is that (what I believe is) interesting work by Von Mises and Hayek is laughed at due to the association. A pity, because there is good stuff to be drawn from it. For instance, the business cycle theory and certain of the critiques of monetarism are of high-value. Hell, it should be required reading at the Fed. Having said that, you don't have to go to the gold standard or abolish the Fed in order to make use of the "good stuff" that came out early in the Austrian school. It's just as useful as a critique so policy-makers know what to be careful of.

All of this, of course, is the opinion of a non-economist. Maybe 3wood will enlighten us with his opinion sometime.

473 Occasional Reader  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 1:33:58pm

re: #469 iceweasel

The word 'dumb fuck' was fully earned there, and I stand by it.

Then don't get all indignant about harsh language being directed at you in return.

474 midwestgak  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 1:34:37pm

re: #450 Teh Flowah

57 states can easily be a typo. The 4 and 5 keys are right next to each other.

k is next to l. Trust me, I know./

475 BARACK THE VOTE  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 1:35:22pm

re: #462 buzzsawmonkey

Your point?

The point is that you're a fool for insisting that biology is destiny in the case of women only, and for asserting that women's liberation is a 'self-delusion' that 'biology is not destiny'.

I know you forget things, so I quoted it when I rebutted you.
;)

476 sattv4u2  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 1:35:28pm

re: #469 iceweasel

The word 'dumb fuck' was fully earned there, and I stand by it.

Could have been, but your point was "show me where I called someone ,,,"

They could just as easily say their expletive TO you was also earned

Works both ways ,, sorry

477 Gus  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 1:35:38pm

re: #467 iceweasel

Phobia is from the greek word phobos, fear, which is also the name of one of mars' moons IIRC. The other is deimos, terror. Since Mars was the god of war, it made sense for the moons to be named after fear and terror.

There's nothing clinical or weird about appending 'phobia' to something to mean 'fear of'. Homophobia is not in the DSM-IV and no one thinks it should be.

Right. Otherwise it could also be used a judicial defense. It's not in the DSM-IV. There is an appearance of medicalization due to the suffix phobia. (I think that's a suffix but I could be wrong.) Otherwise it's what's used and to think otherwise would be to suggest a grammatical campaign of sorts to "ban the word."

478 Spider Mensch  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 1:36:05pm

re: #463 Sharmuta

Yeah- love being told my uterus is my destiny.

hehehe..the midwife who delivered our son, had a wonderful response to a doctor, when asked why a woman couldn't have a vaginal delivery instead of a ceasarian, the doctor claimed that the ceasarian would "save the womans vagina", the mid-wife's response.."Save her vagina for what?"

479 debutaunt  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 1:36:17pm

re: #474 midwestgak

"57 states can easily be a typo. The 4 and 5 keys are right next to each other. "

Obama said: "57 states" - a typo? On the teleprompter?

480 VioletTiger  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 1:36:21pm

I think what we need are some good 'ol fashion trolls!
Please lizards, don't be cannibals.
Trolls will be on the menu soon!

481 yochanan  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 1:36:23pm

re: #468 Desert Dog

i don't think it is a accident that they don't list any jihdist hate groups, no anarchist anti zionist groups. and in cali i looked there was only one listing for nation of islam and one for atlzan and i know there are a lot more than that.

482 Sharmuta  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 1:37:02pm

re: #470 Occasional Reader

If you actually interpret buzzsaw's remarks to mean that he thinks that women are baby-factories, I just don't know what to say.

Then you tell me what to make of this!

Phucking Phor Phun is all that "Women's Liberation" means--i.e., the self-delusion that biology is not destiny.

Women's liberation means the self-delusion that biology is not destiny.

Anyone thinks Women's lib was just about women having more sex- fuck you.

483 Honorary Yooper  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 1:37:07pm

re: #449 yochanan

Speaking of which, yoch, here's an article from this quarter's Intelligence Report,

Left-Leaning Station Airs Anti-Semitic Rants

As part of the Pacifica Radio network of commercial-free, listener-supported and unabashedly progressive community radio stations, Los Angeles station KPFK might seem like an unlikely forum for naked anti-Semitism.
Yet one of its weekly talk shows is becoming just that. "La Causa" ("The Cause"), a bilingual mix of English and Spanish which airs every Wednesday night, features callers, most of them Latino, who rant about ZOG ["Zionist Occupied Government"], a term coined by neo-Nazis and other white supremacists.

Very interesting case of moronic convergence, leftists using terms coined by the far right fringe.

484 [deleted]  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 1:37:15pm
485 Ben Hur  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 1:37:59pm

re: #471 SanFranciscoZionist

'Biology is destiny' has a fairly specific meaning, which links women's lives, mental health, and social roles, inextricably to their reproductive lives

Is that offensive?

486 BARACK THE VOTE  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 1:39:03pm

re: #473 Occasional Reader

Then don't get all indignant about harsh language being directed at you in return.

I made a post with a short but comprehensive history of the Pill in America and provided several links to back it up.
In the course of that post I called someone a 'dumb fuck' for making obviously false assertions and being too damn lazy to google.

This is quite different from someone making a post which consists of nothing but insults.

The first may well be downdinged for rudeness, but is informative. The second is downdinged because it's got nothing but crap in it.
And you understand these differences.

487 Sharmuta  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 1:39:04pm

re: #485 Ben Hur

Is that offensive?

YES!

488 Honorary Yooper  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 1:39:08pm

re: #483 Honorary Yooper

Damn, here's the link:

Left-Leaning Station Airs Anti-Semitic Rants

489 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 1:39:13pm

re: #482 Sharmuta

Women's liberation means the self-delusion that biology is not destiny.

Anyone thinks Women's lib was just about women having more sex- fuck you.

Which is not to say that women having more sex is a bad thing.

;)

490 sattv4u2  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 1:39:17pm

re: #485 Ben Hur

Is that offensive?

When you go to the zoo, you stick your tongue out at the animals and make that razzzing sound, don't you !

I know you do!

491 midwestgak  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 1:39:52pm

re: #479 debutaunt

"57 states can easily be a typo. The 4 and 5 keys are right next to each other. "

Obama said: "57 states" - a typo? On the teleprompter?

Um, my own typo (nic) didn't hit your funny bone.

492 BARACK THE VOTE  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 1:40:21pm

re: #470 Occasional Reader

If you actually interpret buzzsaw's remarks to mean that he thinks that women are baby-factories, I just don't know what to say.

Buzz has stated that he believes biology is destiny for women. He is saying that women are baby factories.

493 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 1:40:44pm

re: #491 midwestgak

Um, my own typo (nic) didn't hit your funny bone.

I've always wondered what midwestgak was. I thought it was that stuff you make with glue and borax.

494 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 1:41:01pm

re: #484 buzzsawmonkey

Since medical science has not yet progressed to the point where men can bear children, if the generation that will be overwhelmed by global warming is to be produced there damn well better be some women whose reproductive lives are linked to producing it.

It doesn't mean that all women "have to"--that has never been true, and never will be. But women, last I checked, remain the only means by which the next generation can be produced, unless we're prepared to gin up the "Brave New World" machinery on a massive scale in very short order.

No one is arguing against women having children.

What is being argued against is the concept inherent in 'biology is destiny', the idea that a woman, and not a man, is defined by her reproductive role.

495 Occasional Reader  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 1:41:17pm

re: #486 iceweasel

Meh. You give yourself a pass for using profanity... oh, because it's informative profanity. Others, however, are terrible "cowards" for doing so. Okey dokey.

496 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 1:41:39pm

re: #485 Ben Hur

Is that offensive?

Yes. Women are more than the sum of their sexual and reproductive roles, as are men.

497 [deleted]  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 1:42:05pm
498 Ben Hur  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 1:42:10pm

re: #487 Sharmuta

YES!

Why?

I don't or didn't have the overwhelming urge to have children like my wife did/does.

There are chemical differences that lead to different mood swings in men and women.

etc etc.

We are not the same.

499 BARACK THE VOTE  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 1:42:10pm

re: #489 SanFranciscoZionist

Which is not to say that women having more sex is a bad thing.

;)

It is for Mullah Buzzsaw.

I suggest looking at the post and the ones he was referring to.

500 debutaunt  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 1:42:25pm

re: #491 midwestgak

Um, my own typo (nic) didn't hit your funny bone.

It has since I first saw it! I'm bewildered by the person who suggested that 57 states was a typo. I tried to post it earlier but ran up against a spinning wheel.

501 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 1:42:53pm

re: #496 SanFranciscoZionist

Yes. Women are more than the sum of their sexual and reproductive roles, as are men.

Unless you consult certain forms of popular media, in which case we are nothing more than the sum of our body parts, brains excluded.

502 Sharmuta  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 1:42:58pm

re: #498 Ben Hur

Why?

I don't or didn't have the overwhelming urge to have children like my wife did/does.

There are chemical differences that lead to different mood swings in men and women.

etc etc.

We are not the same.

Is your wife more than a uterus?

503 BARACK THE VOTE  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 1:44:02pm

re: #495 Occasional Reader

Meh. You give yourself a pass for using profanity... oh, because it's informative profanity. Others, however, are terrible "cowards" for doing so. Okey dokey.

No, you're mistaken. I object to posts consisting of nothing but profanity, that's all.

You, on the other hand, wish to defend posts consisting of anything-- so long as they're by buzz. Even when they assert such indefensible claims as that 'biology is destiny' for women.

504 Occasional Reader  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 1:44:08pm

Hey Bloodnok--

Feel free to actually step up to the plate and comment whenever you're ready, rather than just stealth-downdinging.

505 Ben Hur  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 1:44:25pm

re: #496 SanFranciscoZionist

Yes. Women are more than the sum of their sexual and reproductive roles, as are men.

I agree.

It's no longer the sum, but it is a HUGE part of it, no?

506 Sharmuta  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 1:44:39pm

re: #501 EmmmieG

Unless you consult certain forms of popular media, in which case we are nothing more than the sum of our body parts, brains excluded.

That is what's meant by more than our sexual roles. It doesn't help that popular culture reinforces the idea women are nothing but sexual objects- often times, women help perpetuate this.

507 Dianna  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 1:45:09pm

re: #441 Sharmuta

Shouldn't prejudices be delegitimized?

Yes, but tacking a mental health label on a prejudice isn't delegitimizing. It reads more like an excuse.

508 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 1:45:20pm

re: #498 Ben Hur

Why?

I don't or didn't have the overwhelming urge to have children like my wife did/does.

There are chemical differences that lead to different mood swings in men and women.

etc etc.

We are not the same.

No, we're not. The reason the 'biology is destiny' phrase raises hackles for many women is that it comes out of a view of sexuality that severely limits women's possibilities in life, and tries to blame it on science.

509 Occasional Reader  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 1:45:29pm

re: #503 iceweasel

You, on the other hand, wish to defend posts consisting of anything-- so long as they're by buzz

Bwaaahahaha. Right, he and I have never disgreed. Hear that, buzz?

510 Ben Hur  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 1:45:35pm

re: #502 Sharmuta

Is your wife more than a uterus?

Hell yeah.

A MOUTH!

KIDDING! HAHAHAHAHA!

Of course not. Why would I want that?

DOes that make the other things false?

511 BARACK THE VOTE  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 1:45:42pm

re: #497 buzzsawmonkey

It's very clear anyone watching that you are the one with the vendetta. ;)

512 Sharmuta  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 1:46:01pm

re: #505 Ben Hur

I know a number of women who have no desire to be mothers. They're just not comfortable with kids, and that's their right. Most women do want to experience motherhood, and that is likewise their right. But in both cases women are still more than a uterus.

513 yochanan  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 1:46:20pm

frankly talking to a closed mind is like talking to the wall. or going into a starbucks and ordering a decaf, soya latte with diet sugar WHY BOTHER?

514 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 1:46:55pm

re: #513 yochanan

frankly talking to a closed mind is like talking to the wall. or going into a starbucks and ordering a decaf, soya latte with diet sugar WHY BOTHER?

"Cookies" made with whole wheat flour, honey, and carob chips.

My husband's childhood.

515 Lucius Septimius  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 1:46:56pm

Reading through all of this, I'm not sure what to say, but there are a couple of points worth throwing in.

Regarding "homophobia", the word has its origins in the early twentieth century, but was initially used to describe a paranoid or irrational fear of human beings. It was, then, a darker version of "misanthropist" -- a person who hated humanity, but about whom there was nothing charming. It was used in the context of discussing militarism and genocide. The term was first used to specifically mean a fear or irrational hatred of homosexuals around 1970, and within the specific context of the campaign to remove "homosexuality" from the DSM. Given the original usage, the word was obviously very loaded and has continued to remain so -- a word that often is more likely to produce emotional responses on either side than thinking ones. As commonly used (and as it has been used in a few cases above) it often ends up being a dismissive term of moral condemnation, which is hardly a good starting point for serious dialogue.

As for biology and destiny, there is one inescapable fact: we all die.

516 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 1:47:31pm

re: #505 Ben Hur

I agree.

It's no longer the sum, but it is a HUGE part of it, no?

Sure, in many ways. for many people. For men and women both, I would argue.

517 BARACK THE VOTE  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 1:47:33pm

re: #504 Occasional Reader

Hey Bloodnok--

Feel free to actually step up to the plate and comment whenever you're ready, rather than just stealth-downdinging.

Nothing stealth about it, OR. You're just pissy. ;)

518 Pianobuff  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 1:47:52pm

re: #485 Ben Hur

Is that offensive?

re: #487 Sharmuta

YES!

LOL...The Red Dot:

Boss: I'm going to get right to the point. It has come to my attention that you and the cleaning woman have engaged in sexual intercourse on the desk in your office. Is that correct?

George: Who said that?

Boss: She did.

George: Was that wrong? Should I have not done that? I tell you I gotta plead ignorance on this thing because if anyone had said anything to me at all when I first started here that that sort of thing was frowned upon, you know, cause I've worked in a lot of offices and I tell you people do that all the time.

Boss: You're fired.

George: Well you didn't have to say it like that.

Boss: I want you out of here by the end of the day.

George: What about the whole Christmas spirit thing? Any flexibility there?

519 Ben Hur  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 1:48:02pm

re: #508 SanFranciscoZionist

No, we're not. The reason the 'biology is destiny' phrase raises hackles for many women is that it comes out of a view of sexuality that severely limits women's possibilities in life, and tries to blame it on science.

If anything, it advances it.

If You Don't Have Big Breasts, Put A Ribbon In Your Hair

520 [deleted]  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 1:48:32pm
521 Bloodnok  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 1:48:35pm

re: #504 Occasional Reader

Hey Bloodnok--

Feel free to actually step up to the plate and comment whenever you're ready, rather than just stealth-downdinging.

Wuts da maddah, OR. Cry me a river. It's what the buttons are for. Toughen up.

522 Occasional Reader  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 1:49:25pm

re: #515 Lucius Septimius

As for biology and destiny, there is one inescapable fact: we all die.

Not I! I'm gonna live forever. Light up the sky like a flame (Fame!).

/gah, quoting showtunes, right in the middle of the homophobia thread...

523 Ben Hur  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 1:49:37pm

re: #512 Sharmuta

I know a number of women who have no desire to be mothers. They're just not comfortable with kids, and that's their right. Most women do want to experience motherhood, and that is likewise their right. But in both cases women are still more than a uterus.

I fully agree.

But the other factors are accurate, just not exclusive.

524 tradewind  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 1:50:01pm

A misstatement...Big whup. What's the essential difference between the two?
It's not as if he was quoted saying something like ' In America's fifty- seven states '...
///

525 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 1:50:29pm

re: #519 Ben Hur

If anything, it advances it.

If You Don't Have Big Breasts, Put A Ribbon In Your Hair

"Why go to college? It's a waste of money, you'll just get married."

526 sattv4u2  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 1:51:02pm

re: #486 iceweasel

In the course of that post I called someone a 'dumb fuck' for making obviously false assertions and being too damn lazy to google

Are these rules and regulations written down soemwhere? It's okay to be profane as long as the poster beleives they have the right to be profane, but it's not okay to be profane unless you include in it an otherwise (debatebly) rational post!

How much of the post must be rational before being allowed a profanity in it directed at another poster?
75% or more?
50%
10%
1%?

527 Occasional Reader  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 1:51:16pm

re: #517 iceweasel

Nothing stealth about it, OR. You're just pissy. ;)

An insult, coupled with your trademark cutesy-winky-face.

How passive-aggressive.

528 Ben Hur  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 1:51:26pm

OK.

Who here thinks the "Man" that gave birth recently is really a man?

529 Sharmuta  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 1:51:32pm

re: #508 SanFranciscoZionist

No, we're not. The reason the 'biology is destiny' phrase raises hackles for many women is that it comes out of a view of sexuality that severely limits women's possibilities in life, and tries to blame it on science.

Funny how it doesn't work the other way, huh? That it's men's destinies to just stick their penis in as many women as possible? Because men can rise above their biology and not stick it everywhere, or... they're bound by their biology to be pigs?

Again- funny how it works in one direction.

530 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 1:52:00pm

re: #520 buzzsawmonkey

To some extent, a woman is defined by her reproductive role--or you would not have the mad dash to fertility treatments by women who put reproduction on hold in favor of other diversions and are hoping that expensive and sometimes painful treatments will permit them to achieve something which they passed up a decade or two earlier in their lives, when it would have been easier for them, safer for them and for the child, and less expensive.

Are these women showing that "biology is not destiny" because they had 15 or 20 years of career before trying desperately to conceive? Or are they showing that "biology is destiny" because they, as women, want children before they can no longer have them?

No, these women are deminstrating the continued difficulty of having both a reproductive life and a career, FOR WOMEN.

No one, as the saying goes, has ever asked a man how he managed to juggle both family and career.

531 Ben Hur  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 1:52:18pm

re: #525 SanFranciscoZionist

"Why go to college? It's a waste of money, you'll just get married."

Corcoran is a super star.

532 Occasional Reader  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 1:52:24pm

re: #521 Bloodnok

Wuts da maddah, OR. Cry me a river. It's what the buttons are for. Toughen up.

Ah, a post consisting entirely of insults! Iceweasel is about to harshly critcize you for this, you know. She's totally against that sort of behavior.

533 BARACK THE VOTE  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 1:52:47pm

re: #447 taxfreekiller

tfk is not a fan
of the ice,

ok

from the start
has not changed
will not change

TFK should write
haiku about john kerry
Really relevant!

534 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 1:52:47pm

Gotta run, kids need to be let into the locker room. Have fun, all!

535 QueenEsther  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 1:52:59pm

My husband was an undergrad at Columbia Univ at the same time (early/mid 80s) as Obama, and can't recall ever seeing Obama's face. Neither can any of my husband's friends who attended at the same time. I'm not saying that this amounts to a hill of beans - but you got to admit, it's a little odd.

536 Dianna  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 1:53:00pm

re: #496 SanFranciscoZionist

Yes. Women are more than the sum of their sexual and reproductive roles, as are men.

But, as buzz keeps pointing out, only women can bear children.

I've chosen not to, so have many others here. On one point, and one point only, is biology destiny - that only a woman is able to bear a child.

537 [deleted]  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 1:54:27pm
538 Creeping Eruption  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 1:54:43pm

re: #535 QueenEsther

My husband was an undergrad at Columbia Univ at the same time (early/mid 80s) as Obama, and can't recall ever seeing Obama's face. Neither can any of my husband's friends who attended at the same time. I'm not saying that this amounts to a hill of beans - but you got to admit, it's a little odd.

No, not odd at all. I went to graduate school with about 150 people. At graduation, I could swear that I had never met half of them.

539 Dreader1962  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 1:55:17pm

re: #535 QueenEsther

My husband was an undergrad at Columbia Univ at the same time (early/mid 80s) as Obama, and can't recall ever seeing Obama's face. Neither can any of my husband's friends who attended at the same time. I'm not saying that this amounts to a hill of beans - but you got to admit, it's a little odd.

Oh, come on! That's like saying I can't remember someone from Michigan State when I went there in the early '80s! What exactly is your point here?

540 Bloodnok  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 1:55:18pm

re: #532 Occasional Reader

Ah, a post consisting entirely of insults! Iceweasel is about to harshly critcize you for this, you know. She's totally against that sort of behavior.

I just hope she doesn't downding me. Like you I resort to bold type and shouting when people downding me. Really.

541 brandon13  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 1:55:18pm

re: #535 QueenEsther

My husband was an undergrad at Columbia Univ at the same time (early/mid 80s) as Obama, and can't recall ever seeing Obama's face. Neither can any of my husband's friends who attended at the same time. I'm not saying that this amounts to a hill of beans - but you got to admit, it's a little odd.

I don't think so.

542 yochanan  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 1:55:22pm

There is a pattern here yesterday it was me that was subject to her abuse today it is buzz, this is getting rather old. really old.

543 sattv4u2  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 1:55:27pm

re: #538 Creeping Eruption

No, not odd at all. I went to graduate school with about 150 people. At graduation, I could swear that I had never met half of them.

They were avoiding you ,,, smart people!!

//

544 Sharmuta  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 1:55:28pm

re: #536 Dianna

But, as buzz keeps pointing out, only women can bear children.

I've chosen not to, so have many others here. On one point, and one point only, is biology destiny - that only a woman is able to bear a child.

The point is that it's her "destiny" if she so choses it to be. It is not a delusion to think a woman is more than that.

545 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 1:56:17pm

Biology is, for all of us, inescapable. We exist in a physical body. We have needs we must meet. (Try not breathing for the next few minutes). We see the world through physical eyes, hear with little bones in our ears, and feel the world through the nerves in our fingers. We access the world through the filters of our very biological bodies.

For some people, sadly, their bodies are their destinies. I am speaking of the mentally ill. The physically ill get a little more choice.

For those of us whose neurons fire correctly, we have our will and our choices, but limited by biology. No amount of coaching will ever make the top Olympic female runner as fast as the top Olympic male runner. That's testosterone at work. But I am proud to live in a nation in which women are encouraged to engage in sports and academia. Never has a people had as many choices as we have. Never have women had as many opportunities as we have.

Biology is inescapable, but for most of us, not the only part of our futures.

546 Occasional Reader  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 1:56:27pm

re: #536 Dianna

Obviously you're one of those self-oppressed little Suzie Homemakers whose man tells her what to think, aren't you!

/I cannot supply enough sarc tags

547 Pianobuff  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 1:56:39pm

re: #536 Dianna

But, as buzz keeps pointing out, only women can bear children.

I've chosen not to, so have many others here. On one point, and one point only, is biology destiny - that only a woman is able to bear a child.

We men get blue nuts and impotence. That counts for something, doesn't it?/

548 aboo-Hoo-Hoo  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 1:56:46pm

re: #323 Charles

Bloomberg: India Joins Russia, China in Questioning U.S. Dollar Dominance

WSJ Marketwatch: BRIC countries seek more clout at summit

Brazil, Russia, India and China, the so-called BRIC countries, met on Tuesday for their first-ever economic summit, in a concerted effort to assert their weight in the global economic and financial arena.

But in the summit's official statement, they treaded cautiously on how best to diversify their assets away from the dollar while trying to avoid disrupting markets and attempts of a global economic recovery.

With the global economy and financial system still on the mend after nearly collapsing over the past year-and-a-half, the meeting aimed to outline the common interests between BRIC countries, notably on the subject of currencies. Concerns have mounted that the dollar might resume a multiyear slide and hurt foreign-held dollar assets.

While the joint statement from the meeting called for a "diversified, stable and predictable currency" system, it made no direct challenge to the dollar as the world's global reserve currency.

The statement also calls for emerging economies to play a bigger role in international financial institutions.

More significantly: China agrees to buy 50-billion-dollar IMF bonds

The International Monetary Fund(IMF) said on Wednesday that China has agreed to buy the first bonds issued by the agency for about 50 billion dollars.

Forget the meatheads Beck & Paul, the problem is our Fed is printing money like there's some great demand when in fact there are a slew of countries are looking to liquidate dollar holdings.

If the above is some Bircher conspiracy, I'll eat a dump-truck load of sand.

549 Sharmuta  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 1:57:27pm

re: #523 Ben Hur

I fully agree.

But the other factors are accurate, just not exclusive.

I also know men who wanted children more than their wives.

550 Occasional Reader  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 1:58:01pm

re: #540 Bloodnok

You're so brave.

551 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 1:58:32pm

re: #549 Sharmuta

I also know men who wanted children more than their wives.

And vice versa.

(Wouldn't mind a sixth, husband is done.)

552 Bloodnok  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 1:58:53pm

re: #550 Occasional Reader

You're so brave.

;)

553 Dianna  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 1:59:12pm

re: #529 Sharmuta

On a really bad day...and fortunately, I don't have them as often as I used to, I would have stated that men are biologically destined to be jerks.

554 Creeping Eruption  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 2:00:45pm

re: #543 sattv4u2

They were avoiding you ,,, smart people!!

//

Thats what I told them.

555 Occasional Reader  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 2:01:05pm

re: #553 Dianna

On a really bad day...and fortunately, I don't have them as often as I used to, I would have stated that men are biologically destined to be jerks.

There may be something to that. (I do think we're to some degree "hard-wired" towards an inclination to have sex with lots of women; it would be, in Darwinian terms, a useful survival "skill". The inhibitions to that instinct are morality and civilization.)

556 Sharmuta  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 2:01:16pm

re: #553 Dianna

On a really bad day...and fortunately, I don't have them as often as I used to, I would have stated that men are biologically destined to be jerks.

And I would find that just as sexist as saying ""Women's Liberation" means--i.e., the self-delusion that biology is not destiny."

557 Ben Hur  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 2:02:25pm

re: #544 Sharmuta

The point is that it's her "destiny" if she so choses it to be. It is not a delusion to think a woman is more than that.

You see that?-

!

558 Guanxi88  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 2:02:49pm

re: #555 Occasional Reader

There may be something to that. (I do think we're to some degree "hard-wired" towards an inclination to have sex with lots of women; it would be, in Darwinian terms, a useful survival "skill". The inhibitions to that instinct are morality and civilization.)

huh huh! You said "hard"

559 Dianna  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 2:03:25pm

re: #544 Sharmuta

The point is that it's her "destiny" if she so choses it to be. It is not a delusion to think a woman is more than that.

Oh, dear.

No one is disagreeing with that. Why are we getting up on our high horses?

I know that phrase makes a lot of people see red; since I just never saw it as applying, I barely notice it and treat the context it appears in. I don't quite see why there's this sudden pile-on buzz for what amounts to quite a commonplace observation.

I'm going back to my numbers. This is a strange and upsetting fight.

560 Occasional Reader  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 2:03:44pm

Oh, good. A little sun poking out, kind of. So the pool will be open. And the hot Russian lifeguard will be there. Whom I'm biologically hard-wired to want to... um... never mind.

561 Ben Hur  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 2:04:15pm

re: #535 QueenEsther

My husband was an undergrad at Columbia Univ at the same time (early/mid 80s) as Obama, and can't recall ever seeing Obama's face. Neither can any of my husband's friends who attended at the same time. I'm not saying that this amounts to a hill of beans - but you got to admit, it's a little odd.

Don't know about Columbia.

Family member went to Harvard Law School.

Saw him all the time.

Go figure.

562 Dianna  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 2:05:14pm

re: #546 Occasional Reader

Obviously you're one of those self-oppressed little Suzie Homemakers whose man tells her what to think, aren't you!

/I cannot supply enough sarc tags

"Don't wanna be your sugar mama no more!"

Numbers. I so do not want to do numbers. Bye!

563 Ben Hur  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 2:06:10pm

re: #549 Sharmuta

I also know men who wanted children more than their wives.

That's illegal.

564 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 2:06:19pm

re: #560 Occasional Reader

Oh, good. A little sun poking out, kind of. So the pool will be open. And the hot Russian lifeguard will be there. Whom I'm biologically hard-wired to want to... um... never mind.

Cannonball and splash everyone there.

//What? That wasn't the rest of the sentence?

565 Ben Hur  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 2:06:20pm

re: #563 Ben Hur

That's illegal.

Was yoke was yoke.

566 Occasional Reader  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 2:06:46pm

re: #563 Ben Hur

That's illegal.

And why drag Woody Allen into this, anyway?

567 BARACK THE VOTE  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 2:07:49pm

re: #556 Sharmuta

And I would find that just as sexist as saying ""Women's Liberation" means--i.e., the self-delusion that biology is not destiny."

Oh, that's just reality Sharm. Like the 'reality' that the pill had nothing to do with women's lib, and was really all about fucking for fun.

Some people are completely enraged that women can fuck for fun now. Probably because no women would fuck them for fun. ;)

But I should rewrite this with ph in place of F for fuck, and fun, or some delicate sensibilities will be wounded. ;) Butthurt, even.

I know, let's have a phun pun thread! Or a phucking song parody thread!

Youtube Video
568 Occasional Reader  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 2:09:15pm

re: #567 iceweasel

Probably because no women would fuck them for fun. ;)

Stay classy, iceweasel.

569 BARACK THE VOTE  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 2:09:25pm

re: #561 Ben Hur

Don't know about Columbia.

Family member went to Harvard Law School.

Saw him all the time.

Go figure.

You know perfectly well such things depend on class schedules and the like. Both are large campuses.

570 Ben Hur  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 2:10:22pm

re: #569 iceweasel

You know perfectly well such things depend on class schedules and the like. Both are large campuses.

No sh*t.

Tell Queen Esther.

571 BARACK THE VOTE  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 2:10:53pm

re: #568 Occasional Reader

Stay classy, iceweasel.

You're my role model, OR. ;)

I look forward to you defending the claim that biology is destiny for women, in the future. I think it's going to be phun.

572 Creeping Eruption  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 2:11:41pm

re: #567 iceweasel

Oh, that's just reality Sharm. Like the 'reality' that the pill had nothing to do with women's lib, and was really all about fucking for fun.

Some people are completely enraged that women can fuck for fun now. Probably because no women would fuck them for fun. ;)

But I should rewrite this with ph in place of F for fuck, and fun, or some delicate sensibilities will be wounded. ;) Butthurt, even.

I know, let's have a phun pun thread! Or a phucking song parody thread!


[Video]

What is butthurt?

573 Ben Hur  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 2:12:46pm

re: #572 Creeping Eruption

What is butthurt?

DON'T ASK.

574 [deleted]  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 2:13:20pm
575 Occasional Reader  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 2:13:23pm

re: #571 iceweasel

I look forward to you defending the claim that biology is destiny for women

I'm now tasked with defending your distorted, out-of-context version of something a third party said?!

Um... pass.

576 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 2:13:44pm

re: #573 Ben Hur

DON'T TELL.
/sorry

577 Occasional Reader  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 2:15:41pm

Well, it's been "phun", but I must finish some things up. Bye.

578 Lucius Septimius  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 2:17:13pm

I have a colleague who attended the same undergrad institution that I did. We were both history majors and had minors in Scandinavian studies. Frankly our transcripts look almost identical. And we never met, even though I know we had at least two classes in common and attended the same receptions hosted by the Scandinavian Studies program.

At a place with 40,000 undergrads, that sort of thing happens.

579 BARACK THE VOTE  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 2:18:18pm

re: #572 Creeping Eruption

What is butthurt?

The feeling of shame and irrational rage, and meltdown, that accompanies having your butt spanked in an argument (esp online). It's about feeling overly wounded and enraged for a really trivial reason:

An inappropriately strong negative emotional response from a perceived personal insult. Characterized by strong feelings of shame. Frequently associated with a cessation of communication and overt hostility towards the "aggressor."

[Link: www.urbandictionary.com...]

For example, when you politely and nicely point out someone was slightly wrong, and provide a link to prove it, and they respond with a torrent of invective and abuse and can never forget it, they are butthurt.

Usage: Mullah Buzzsaw was butthurt when he was called out by Charles on the AGW thread, so he ran down to the old overnight thread to call iceweasel a commie scumbag and an asshole. Epic butthurt.

580 Lucius Septimius  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 2:18:32pm

Ok, not that this hasn't been fun, but I've got to get the boy to football practice.

581 [deleted]  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 2:23:31pm
582 BARACK THE VOTE  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 2:26:54pm

re: #581 buzzsawmonkey

You do live in your own Ptolemaic universe.

That would be you, Buzz. And you probably do not mean Ptolemaic, unless you intended to describe the ever more convoluted epicycles your excuses and explanations must trace whilst you backtrack.

It is clear that I am the centre of your universe. So that fits too.

583 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 2:28:15pm

re: #574 buzzsawmonkey

It's the way iceweasel spells "bashert."

Uncool man...

Ice, in case you didn't know, bashert is the one who was intended by G-d to be your soul-mate.

He is saying that your bashert would give you butthurt.

584 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 2:29:28pm

Now slight repost

I am now going to call the wing nut o sphere

WNOS

From now on called by me, WNOS, because I like that, and it evokes the dementia associated with acute alcoholism, and it clearly is referring to someone other than an everyday Republican or conservative (whom I have no beef with).

Hopefully this will avoid confusion and hurt feelings.

585 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 2:30:20pm

re: #537 buzzsawmonkey

Precisely.

See how easy it is to understand that simple point when the red fog of hatred is not blurring your vision?

Hmmm. So, how exactly does the Pill undermine this fact?

586 Bagua  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 2:31:08pm

re: #583 LudwigVanQuixote

Uncool man...

Ice, in case you didn't know, bashert is the one who was intended by G-d to be your soul-mate.

He is saying that your bashert would give you butthurt.

Who knew? Good trivia Lud!

587 BARACK THE VOTE  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 2:32:29pm

re: #583 LudwigVanQuixote

Uncool man...

Ice, in case you didn't know, bashert is the one who was intended by G-d to be your soul-mate.

He is saying that your bashert would give you butthurt.

LVQ, you wanna see uncool?

here's what mullah buzzsaw got up to when he got his ass kicked in the AGW thread last night:

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

And I wouldn't bother, but he's a misogynistic fuck who says that biology is destiny -- for women -- and has a special love for leaving shitty comments about other people when AGW threads are going on. I wonder why?

Just FYI.

588 [deleted]  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 2:32:36pm
589 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 2:33:10pm

re: #586 Bagua

Who knew? Good trivia Lud!

It's not so much trivia if you are Jewish. It's a pretty commonly used word. It's also uncool of him to use in this context.

590 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 2:35:06pm

re: #588 buzzsawmonkey

No, I am not.

I am saying that it is iceweasel's destiny to seek out excuses to blather about it.

Buzz, I was just reading what you wrote. It's not so cool. It is one thing to disagree with Ice. It is another to snipe at her. If she gives as good as she gets, and please don't pretend you weren't antagonizing then don't complain yourself.

591 Bagua  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 2:35:22pm

re: #589 LudwigVanQuixote

It's not so much trivia if you are Jewish. It's a pretty commonly used word. It's also uncool of him to use in this context.

Damn, you're Jewish?

592 BARACK THE VOTE  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 2:35:53pm

re: #583 LudwigVanQuixote

Uncool man...

Ice, in case you didn't know, bashert is the one who was intended by G-d to be your soul-mate.

He is saying that your bashert would give you butthurt.

No, i didn't know. So once again Mullah Buzzsaw reveals his obsession with my ass and the concept of putting things in it. Just like he recently told Coracle to shove a broomstick up his ass. And it's not the first time Mullah Buzzsaw has felt compelled to make a pronoucement about me...

Well played, Mullah Buzzsaw. *golfclap*

593 Bagua  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 2:36:41pm

re: #587 iceweasel

In fairness Ice, I don't see how you can scold Buzz for using profanity when you do the same to him.

594 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 2:36:41pm

re: #591 Bagua

Damn, you're Jewish?

lol I actually do like you Bagua, even if we disagree on certain things.

595 [deleted]  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 2:37:28pm
596 Bagua  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 2:38:13pm

re: #594 LudwigVanQuixote

We are buds, once I deprogram you from all the Warmist stuff we'll mostly agree!

597 [deleted]  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 2:40:08pm
598 BARACK THE VOTE  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 2:40:48pm

re: #588 buzzsawmonkey

No, I am not.

I am saying that it is iceweasel's destiny to seek out excuses to blather about it.

You called me a 'commie scumbag" and an "asshole" on a dead thread, when you were getting your ass handed to you in last night's AGW thread.

You claimed that the pill had nothing to do with women's liberation, and was all about fucking for fun.

When you were busted here for that, you LIED and claimed it never happened. Charles provided the link.

You're a misogynist, a fundie freak, a denier about AGW, and worst of all, a nasty little fuck who doesnt have the BALLS to say in a live thread to me that you think women's destinies are about their biology.

But I like the way you keep pretending none of this happened. ;)

599 Sharmuta  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 2:41:02pm

re: #595 buzzsawmonkey

Running away again when challenged.

600 BARACK THE VOTE  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 2:41:29pm

re: #595 buzzsawmonkey

Were we to discuss this now, it would necessitate unraveling the hysterical misrepresentations by several posters which stretch over several hundred posts. So it will have to be another time.

No, you have never been able to discuss it because your position is indefensible and you know it.

601 Bagua  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 2:41:48pm

re: #597 buzzsawmonkey

Also you was a bit liquored up a bit when you wrote that?

602 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 2:42:19pm

re: #592 iceweasel

No, i didn't know. So once again Mullah Buzzsaw reveals his obsession with my ass and the concept of putting things in it. Just like he recently told Coracle to shove a broomstick up his ass. And it's not the first time Mullah Buzzsaw has felt compelled to make a pronoucement about me...

Well played, Mullah Buzzsaw. *golfclap*

I have lost my temper here many times, when I have been honestly offended and or shocked by statements that were unbearably asinine. Good friends of mine reminded me to cool it.

It honestly is best if you not let the threads get to you.

I personally have difficulty with that myself. That does not make it less than good advice.

In the mean time, I really am disappointed with some of the things Buzzy has said of late. But he is normally a cool guy.

603 BARACK THE VOTE  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 2:43:54pm

re: #599 Sharmuta

Running away again when challenged.

No-one could have predicted! ;)

Brave Sir Buzzsaw ran away
Bravely ran away, away -
When danger reared its ugly head
He bravely turned his tail and fled
Yes, brave Sir Buzzsaw turned about
And gallantly he chickened out
Bravely taking to his feet
He beat a very brave retreat
Bravest of the brave, Sir Buzzsaw!

heh. Really funny how useful that's been.

604 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 2:46:07pm

re: #603 iceweasel

Would you blame me if I became obsessed about your bottom?

It is after all a proof that Hashem still knows what he is doing... :)

605 BARACK THE VOTE  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 2:46:28pm

re: #602 LudwigVanQuixote


In the mean time, I really am disappointed with some of the things Buzzy has said of late. But he is normally a cool guy.

No, he is not.
The statement that the Pill is nothing to do with women's liberation is factually false and even misogynistic.
The repeated insults and attacks against 'liberal' posters are signs of intellectual insecurity, pettiness, and sheer nastiness.

And I am shocked that you would defend these, especially the first.

606 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 2:46:37pm

re: #596 Bagua

We are buds, once I deprogram you from all the Warmist stuff we'll mostly agree!

Don't push it :)

607 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 2:47:27pm

re: #605 iceweasel

No, he is not.
The statement that the Pill is nothing to do with women's liberation is factually false and even misogynistic.
The repeated insults and attacks against 'liberal' posters are signs of intellectual insecurity, pettiness, and sheer nastiness.

And I am shocked that you would defend these, especially the first.

I'm not defending a damn thing. I am very shocked and disappointed by them and I obviously disagree.

608 Bagua  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 2:47:41pm

re: #604 LudwigVanQuixote

Would you blame me if I became obsessed about your bottom?

So you admit there's been no documemented melting of the Iceweasel?

609 BARACK THE VOTE  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 2:49:58pm

re: #604 LudwigVanQuixote

Would you blame me if I became obsessed about your bottom?

It is after all a proof that Hashem still knows what he is doing... :)

My bottom is a thing of beauty and a joy forever
Its loveliness increases; it will never
Pass into nothingness; but still will keep
A bower quiet for us, and a sleep
Full of sweet dreams, and health, and quiet breathing.
Therefore, on every morrow, are we wreathing
A flowery band to bind us to the earth,
Spite of despondence, of the inhuman dearth
Of noble natures, of the gloomy days,
Of all the unhealthy and o'er-darken'd ways
Made for our searching: yes, in spite of all,
Some shape of beauty moves away the pall
From our dark spirits...

;)

610 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 2:50:18pm

re: #605 iceweasel

And of course the pill was essential to furthering the rights of women.

And of course I am all for strong, educated, intelligent women being all that they can be.

And of course I find it ignorant and offensive when people don't see it that way.

611 Bagua  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 2:52:44pm

re: #610 LudwigVanQuixote

I hate wimmen that are smarter than me! It ain't right.

612 capitalist piglet  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 2:55:25pm

re: #460 Occasional Reader

Finally! We agree on something.

Yes, he is.

Co-sign. Buzz is a treasure.

613 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 2:55:34pm

re: #611 Bagua

I hate wimmen that are smarter than me! It ain't right.

I find them to be delightful. It is actually rather cool to have your partner know some more than you. It keeps conversation interesting.

614 BARACK THE VOTE  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 2:56:01pm

re: #610 LudwigVanQuixote

And of course the pill was essential to furthering the rights of women.

And of course I am all for strong, educated, intelligent women being all that they can be.

And of course I find it ignorant and offensive when people don't see it that way.

Well, it's no wonder I said something nice about you on the overnight...

License my roving hands, and let them go,
Behind, before, above, between, below.
O my America! my new-found-land,
My kingdom, safeliest when with one man man'd,
My mine of precious stones: my emperie,
How blest am I in this discovering thee!
To enter in these bonds, is to be free;
Then where my hand is set, my seal shall be.
Full nakedness! All joys are due to thee,
As souls unbodied, bodies uncloth'd must be,
To taste whole joyes.

Then since that I may know;
As liberally, as to a midwife show
Thyself: cast all, yea, this white linen hence,
There is no penance due to innocence.
To teach thee I am naked first; why than,
What needst thou have more covering then a man?

John Donne. ;)

615 Sharmuta  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 2:56:11pm

re: #610 LudwigVanQuixote

There is nothing sexier in a man than his ability to fully appreciate all that a woman is.

616 BARACK THE VOTE  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 2:57:26pm

re: #615 Sharmuta

I'm a hussy. I like a man with a big throbbing...brain.

617 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 2:57:26pm

re: #610 LudwigVanQuixote

This is why I am so shocked at Buzzy. It is also why I literally meant that he is normally a cool guy - as in this stuff is very not cool, and it surprises and disappoints me.

618 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 2:58:49pm

re: #615 Sharmuta

re: #616 iceweasel

Ladies... blush... ;)

619 Bagua  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 3:00:13pm

re: #613 LudwigVanQuixote

I find them to be delightful. It is actually rather cool to have your partner know some more than you. It keeps conversation interesting.

Well obviously in your case you'd have to be ok with it or you'd be angry all the time or single. What you need to learn to be cool with is all the men that are smarter than you also.

620 [deleted]  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 3:03:19pm
621 BARACK THE VOTE  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 3:04:27pm

re: #617 LudwigVanQuixote

This is why I am so shocked at Buzzy. It is also why I literally meant that he is normally a cool guy - as in this stuff is very not cool, and it surprises and disappoints me.

Ludwig-- Thing is, this really is not an isolated incident, merely the most recent and most egregious. Always directed at 'lib' posters, and I have been a particular target.
This incident was particularly revealing in that I think it exposed some deepseated underlying issues he normally hides better.

Bad news.

622 [deleted]  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 3:06:16pm
623 BARACK THE VOTE  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 3:06:21pm

re: #620 buzzsawmonkey

Not in the least; the issue will come up in rotation again, and we can start fresh instead of trying to build upon the slipshod foundation of manufactured outrage.

Still waiting for you to defend the claim that women's liberation is about the 'self-delusion that biology is not destiny', and the claim that the pill was purely about fucking for fun.

I was quite serious when I said i looked forward to this debate with you. Why not have it now?

624 [deleted]  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 3:08:12pm
625 Bagua  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 3:08:38pm

re: #622 buzzsawmonkey

Oky doke by me!

Now... will you both admit to using potty words on the playground?

626 Sharmuta  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 3:10:25pm

re: #620 buzzsawmonkey

I think SFZ deserves an answer to her question on this thread.

627 BARACK THE VOTE  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 3:11:01pm

re: #624 buzzsawmonkey

Because I enjoy watching you hop up and down in outrage.

I see. You prefer to continue to fling poo and run away, Brave Sir Buzzsaw. Sure.

Hey, did you enjoy it when you first tried to claim you'd never called me those names last night, and then Charles exposed you as a liar?

I'm serious. Let's have that debate right now, and I promise not to call you names or remind you of how you were humiliated in this thread.

628 BARACK THE VOTE  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 3:12:04pm

re: #625 Bagua

Oky doke by me!

Now... will you both admit to using potty words on the playground?

No, because that is not a proper description of what Mullah Buzzsaw said, or me.

629 Bagua  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 3:13:56pm

re: #628 iceweasel

That wrong Ice, think about it. If it's ok for you it's ok for him, or not. Your choice.

630 BARACK THE VOTE  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 3:16:19pm

re: #629 Bagua

That wrong Ice, think about it. If it's ok for you it's ok for him, or not. Your choice.

i suggest you think about it, and read what transpired. Nowhere did I call him names, even though he'd just called me a commie scumbag and an asshole.
I merely rebutted him about his horrible claims about the pill and women's destiny. Think about it.

631 [deleted]  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 3:17:32pm
632 capitalist piglet  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 3:18:24pm

re: #628 iceweasel

No, because that is not a proper description of what Mullah Buzzsaw said, or me.

What's with the "Mullah Buzzsaw" business, repeated over and over? Are you trying to create a lasting image? Are you incapable of speaking to your opponents without the continuous groin-kicking?

I'm just watching this, and it seems as though you are mystified as to why people wouldn't receive your aggressive, obnoxious, profane approach very well. You're a smart person - you don't need to use those tools, do you?

633 BARACK THE VOTE  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 3:23:40pm

re: #631 buzzsawmonkey

So many self-righteous leftists cannot distinguish error, or lack of recollection, from "lies."

Why on the globally-toasted Earth would I have any interest in engaging a mind so third-rate as to be unable to make that distinction--or, worse, a person so fifth-rate as to be capable of making that distinction but who consciously chooses not to do so?

Ah, the typical bsmonkey 'debate' tactic...throw poo and insults at someone and run away.
It's really funny when you accuse me of having a third-rate mind, Sir Buzzsaw...when you are the proven liar and coward who so fears to debate me that you turn into a howler monkey and then run away. Do you genuinely believe no-one else sees it?

Maybe you should go say mean things to me in a dead thread now, again. That way you can pretend you won!

Youtube Video
634 Sharmuta  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 3:24:13pm

I would still like to see an answer to #585.

635 BARACK THE VOTE  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 3:25:24pm

re: #632 capitalist piglet

Because anyone who endorses the approach that there is a conflict between being a devout jew and a scientist, and claims that biology is destiny for women, is acting like a Mullah.

636 BARACK THE VOTE  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 3:26:59pm

re: #634 Sharmuta

I would still like to see an answer to #585.

I wonder why Brave Sir Buzzsaw hasn't answered that yet?

I know. He's busy. In a day or so he'll have time to leave a comment calling her a commie scumbag and an asshole.

637 Bagua  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 3:31:14pm

re: #630 iceweasel

i suggest you think about it, and read what transpired. Nowhere did I call him names, even though he'd just called me a commie scumbag and an asshole.
I merely rebutted him about his horrible claims about the pill and women's destiny. Think about it.

Hi Ice, I did read the thread and I noted that Buzz initiated, but then you jumped back at him, not knowing the full history it looks mutual that way. It's best not to feed anger.

638 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 3:33:16pm

re: #631 buzzsawmonkey

So many self-righteous leftists cannot distinguish error, or lack of recollection, from "lies."

Why on the globally-toasted Earth would I have any interest in engaging a mind so third-rate as to be unable to make that distinction--or, worse, a person so fifth-rate as to be capable of making that distinction but who consciously chooses not to do so?

OK now you are pissing me off.

Buzz, I really don't know why you have to stand by such crap and call either Ice or Sharm a leftist to boot. If they were in the Marxist Youth Corps, guess what, the pill still would have been essential to the modern women's movement, and there still would be no call for you to have said what you have to them.

All you are doing is pissing them and now me off. There is no call for it.

They are right. You are wrong.

You are also insulting them, and you should have a clue as to why.

There are others here that would not shock me with saying such things, but you are. You should know better than this.

It is not cool.

639 Sharmuta  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 3:36:16pm

Only men can phuck phor phun, I guess.

640 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 3:37:37pm

re: #639 Sharmuta

Only men can phuck phor phun, I guess.

That has not been my experience :) Thank G-d... It does take two, and I just have never been into guys...

641 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 3:40:32pm

re: #636 iceweasel

I wonder why Brave Sir Buzzsaw hasn't answered that yet?

I know. He's busy. In a day or so he'll have time to leave a comment calling her a commie scumbag and an asshole.

SFZ is my friend. I admire her. If he does, particularly for that comment, he really does prove himself a cad. He has not yet, and will hopefully reflect a bit and chill out.

642 Bagua  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 3:40:49pm

re: #640 LudwigVanQuixote

I just have never been into guys...

Ha, you deny!

"The louder he spoke of his honour, the faster we counted our spoons."

:)

643 BARACK THE VOTE  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 3:41:34pm

re: #637 Bagua

Hi Ice, I did read the thread and I noted that Buzz initiated, but then you jumped back at him, not knowing the full history it looks mutual that way. It's best not to feed anger.

You're right. It's really all my fault for being at all offended that someone jumped in and called me a commie scumbag and an asshole. On a dead thread. For no reason other than that he was getting his ass KICKED on a live thread and was throwing a tantrum. So he decided to run down to an old thread and vent his considerable spleen there.

And there's no reason at all for any woman to take umbrage at the claim that the Pill had nothing to do with women's lineration, and was really all about women fucking for fun. The way men have always been able to. Like that would be a bad thing, if it were true.

No, the real problem here is that I found any of that offensive, at all. And when i gave him a well-deserved beatdown, and he had his more egregious comment deleted-- well, the real problem is still that "I'm feeding his anger".

Wrong. Sorry.

644 BARACK THE VOTE  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 3:44:27pm

re: #641 LudwigVanQuixote

SFZ is my friend. I admire her. If he does, particularly for that comment, he really does prove himself a cad. He has not yet, and will hopefully reflect a bit and chill out.

SFZ rocks and bsmonkey is afraid to engage in debate with her. He prefers to call other posters names when he's getting a beatdown, out of butthurt, intellectual insecurity and rage. He runs from the beatdown and attacks someone else. It's his pattern.

So no, he will never have that discussion with her, or respond on an old thread even. Never.Coward.

645 Bagua  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 3:47:20pm

re: #643 iceweasel

You're right. It's really all my fault for being at all offended[...]

Nope, not my point at all. I understand your being offended and stating your side. My point is it is also wrong to launch into insults when complaining of insults and wrong to use profanity when complaining of profanity.

646 Roger  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 3:50:22pm

re: #643 iceweasel

Problem is is, the Pill isn't as healthy for women as the public has been lead to believe. It would be better if birth control was focused on things for men to 'take' but men won't do it. I asked fellow scientists about this and they agreed [based on the data being presented at a symposium] that the Pill is far from perfect but as one male stated in private "What do we[males] care as long as we are having more fun?!?!?". I found it reprehensible.

647 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 3:51:06pm

re: #645 Bagua

Nope, not my point at all. I understand your being offended and stating your side. My point is it is also wrong to launch into insults when complaining of insults and wrong to use profanity when complaining of profanity.

Bagua, when multiple reasonable and intelligent ladies get pissed at a guy's comments, he likely deserved the invective. After reading what he wrote, he did. There is a display of cluelessness theater from him that really is not excusable.

I am the last person to go and complain about loosing it when someone turns asshole here. Even so, I did counsel Ice to not let it get to her. However, she, Sharm and SFZ have every right to be pissed.

648 Roger  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 3:51:08pm

Hey buzzsawmonkey? Who's yer daddy?

649 Throbert McGee  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 3:52:59pm

re: #515 Lucius Septimius

Regarding "homophobia", the word has its origins in the early twentieth century, but was initially used to describe a paranoid or irrational fear of human beings. It was, then, a darker version of "misanthropist"

Do you have a written citation to support that? It's certainly not impossible, but "anthropophobia" would've been the obvious and logical coinage. To have the meaning of "fearing humankind," the word "homophobia" would have to be understood as being coined from the Latin homo -- "adult male" or "human" -- and the Greek phobos, because if both elements are taken as Greek, then it means something like "fear of sameness."

Of course, there are any number of Latin/Greek "bastardizations" in common use -- television and automobile come to mind, and once upon a time, language purists really did rant against them as "bastardizations."

So it's not impossible that a mixed-language coinage like "homophobia" with the meaning "hatred and fear of humans" once existed, but it's unlikely enough (yet interesting if true) to need a solid footnote.

By the way, for anyone who thinks that the modern word "homophobia" is somehow a bastard of mixed parentage, a linguist would say that in the word "homophobia" as it is understood today, the homo- part was a newly coined English prefix formed by shortening the English word "homosexual." And this prefix homo- has developed a life of its own completely independent from the prefix homo- in "homosexual," "homonym," or "homozygous," for example. Meanwhile, "phobia," despite its Greek origins, has long since been a fully assimilated English word. So "homophobia" in its modern meaning simply combines two English elements to make a new English word.

(On the other hand, people who cheapen a needed term like "homophobia" by tossing it at opponents like they were flinging Mardi Gras beads ARE bastards.)

650 Bagua  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 3:53:57pm

re: #647 LudwigVanQuixote

SFZ is mad too? I got that he was on the other side...

651 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 3:53:59pm

re: #624 buzzsawmonkey

Because I enjoy watching you hop up and down in outrage.

OK I just saw that. So in other words, you are belittling all that she had to say, by utterly discounting it and being a troll.

I really expected better of you.

That is very not cool.

652 BARACK THE VOTE  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 3:54:42pm

re: #645 Bagua

Nope, not my point at all. I understand your being offended and stating your side. My point is it is also wrong to launch into insults when complaining of insults and wrong to use profanity when complaining of profanity.

You'll notice I had no need to use profanity when I whipped him, depiste the fact that he called me a commie scumbag and an asshole. Perjoratives I have somehow mysteriously been able to avoid throughout this.

My point is that it is ridiculous and unfair for anyone to pretend that there is any kind of parity here on the insult scale or on the scale of who's wrong.
I will not apologise and I will not say I did anything wrong when ALL i have done is be the injured party and refuse to be bullied in silence. No.I will not.

This really isn't a situaion where it's all "well things got overheated and bad things were said on both sides". It really isn't.

There is a reason why he has a deleted comment and I do not. It's because he stepped over the line and kept going, and I refuse to pretend otherwise.

653 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 3:55:13pm

And Erik the Red, I saw you up ding the post about making her hop up and down with anger.

You Sir are an asshole for digging that.

654 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 3:57:46pm

re: #650 Bagua

SFZ is mad too? I got that he was on the other side...

She buddy... She...

655 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 3:59:47pm

re: #624 buzzsawmonkey

Because I enjoy watching you hop up and down in outrage.

I mean women really do love being told how cute they are when they are angry.

The more I think about the fact you would write such a thing the more angry I and disappointed with you I get.

656 Erik The Red  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 4:00:27pm

re: #653 LudwigVanQuixote

And Erik the Red, I saw you up ding the post about making her hop up and down with anger.

You Sir are an asshole for digging that.

Once again you also show your class. You and weasel are cut from the same cloth.
I may disagree with your outcomes on AWG but NEVER have I resorted to calling you names about it.

657 Throbert McGee  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 4:01:53pm

re: #612 capitalist piglet

Co-sign. Buzz is a treasure.

I agree, but just because he's a treasure and generally brilliant doesn't mean he's incapable of being a fight-picking asshole and provocateur.

658 BARACK THE VOTE  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 4:02:22pm

re: #653 LudwigVanQuixote

And Erik the Red, I saw you up ding the post about making her hop up and down with anger.

You Sir are an asshole for digging that.

He also downdinged me least once in this thread. I think for the 'crime' of asking Brave Sir Buzzsaw to defend his claims about the Pill in a calm fashion, right now.
Yeah, that would be the moment when Brave Sir Buzzsaw vanished, too.

I couldn't give a shit about my karma, but I do get a kick out of the people who downding me in silence and don't have the balls, or ovaries, to have a discussion with me. heh. I would feel like such a loser, such a sad pathetic wanker, if I was spending all my time downdinging a poster I didnt like and being too afraid to debate them.

There really should be some kind of medal for it. The purple teardrop with pearl cluster, or something.

659 Bagua  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 4:02:56pm

re: #647 LudwigVanQuixote

Bagua, when multiple reasonable and intelligent ladies get pissed at a guy's comments...

I'm not addressing whatever issue they were talking about and giving an opinion on that, and Ice, I'm not offering a judgement on parity either.

My observation is merely that if one is complaining about another party using insults and profanity, they should not then do so themselves, it leaves the viewer (me) confused as to who is out of order. In general, I believe in civil discourse and don't give passes because I otherwise agree or disagree.

660 Erik The Red  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 4:03:01pm

re: #653 LudwigVanQuixote

And Erik the Red, I saw you up ding the post about making her hop up and down with anger.

You Sir are an asshole for digging that.

Also I don't care whether you see it or not. Report it for all I care. This thread has gotten way out of control.

661 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 4:04:15pm

re: #656 Erik The Red

Once again you also show your class. You and weasel are cut from the same cloth.
I may disagree with your outcomes on AWG but NEVER have I resorted to calling you names about it.

NO! Class is the issue with you thinking it is ok to troll someone.

Courage is at least doing it openly.

You on the other hand just lurk and upping your approval.

Suppose your wife were angry at you and telling you why, and even was correct, and then you told her that you kept insulting her and discounting what she had to say because you enjoyed winding her up and making her angry.

She would hopefully slap you.

You have displayed the greatest lack of class by up dinging that - and even less class by whining about it to me.

It makes you not only an asshole, but a whiny asshole to boot.

662 Sharmuta  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 4:04:24pm

re: #646 Roger

Problem is is, the Pill isn't as healthy for women as the public has been lead to believe. It would be better if birth control was focused on things for men to 'take' but men won't do it. I asked fellow scientists about this and they agreed [based on the data being presented at a symposium] that the Pill is far from perfect but as one male stated in private "What do we[males] care as long as we are having more fun?!?!?". I found it reprehensible.

It's been a long time since I've updinged you, Roger, but you're correct on this point. That is reprehensible. It's reprehensible that a man wouldn't care abut a woman's health so long as he can get between her legs without consequences, or as if women are the only ones enjoying having sex without consequences. It's not as if men have always been held to take responsibility for their half throughout history, but how dare women want the ability to control their bodies and their lives! The tramps!

663 Throbert McGee  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 4:06:12pm

re: #647 LudwigVanQuixote

Bagua, when multiple reasonable and intelligent ladies get pissed at a guy's comments, he likely deserved the invective.

Or maybe they're all just synchron-OW! What the?! Ouch! FUCK! JEEZ! OKAY I'M SORRY STOP!

664 [deleted]  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 4:07:21pm
665 Bloodnok  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 4:07:37pm

re: #662 Sharmuta

It's been a long time since I've updinged you, Roger, but you're correct on this point. That is reprehensible. It's reprehensible that a man wouldn't care abut a woman's health so long as he can get between her legs without consequences, or as if women are the only ones enjoying having sex without consequences. It's not as if men have always been held to take responsibility for their half throughout history, but how dare women want the ability to control their bodies and their lives! The tramps!

Hear, hear. I can't believe this is even debatable.

666 BARACK THE VOTE  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 4:07:39pm

re: #656 Erik The Red

Once again you also show your class. You and weasel are cut from the same cloth.

That was certainly an example of a brilliant and devastating logical argument. I guess you've been saving it up all this time. You deserve a reward!

Youtube Video

(Cue the butthurt wailing that I've been mean. Oh no!)

667 Bagua  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 4:07:58pm

re: #661 LudwigVanQuixote

It makes you not only an xxxle, but a whiny xxxle to boot.


Ludwig, you'd may good at maths but you'd make a lousy crisis mediator.

668 BARACK THE VOTE  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 4:08:24pm

re: #660 Erik The Red

Also I don't care whether you see it or not. Report it for all I care. This thread has gotten way out of control.

Good to know you're the Thread Police. I guess we can all rest easy now.

669 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 4:10:14pm

re: #663 Throbert McGee

Or maybe they're all just synchron-OW! What the?! Ouch! FUCK! JEEZ! OKAY I'M SORRY STOP!

Do you want to get killed... I mean if they were to come to your house and roast you on a spit for that joke, I film it as the consequences of a Darwin award.

Perhaps the only thing more stupid than telling a woman, who is rightly angry, that she is cute when she is angry or some such is suggesting that it has something to do with her cycle.


In both cases all you are saying is that she is not a rational being and that you can discount her or her ideas. Do you wonder why this really pisses them off?

Do you care?

Look I know that you were trying to make an off color joke, but given the context, how is it that your clue phone is so very very disconnected?

670 BARACK THE VOTE  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 4:12:05pm

re: #664 buzzsawmonkey


The women's movement issue, such as it is, was also gratuitously imported by iceweasel into this thread.

You are a proven liar and a coward. You made an indefensible statement, which was rightly deleted. That is the point here.

Your continued abuse of me and others is a side issue. But your total intellectual dishonesty and your misogyny is gaining you no friends. Attempts to turn this into an extended whinge about "iceweasel is meeean" are obvious deflections, and obvious to everyone.

671 Erik The Red  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 4:12:21pm

re: #658 iceweasel

He also downdinged me least once in this thread. I think for the 'crime' of asking Brave Sir Buzzsaw to defend his claims about the Pill in a calm fashion, right now.
Yeah, that would be the moment when Brave Sir Buzzsaw vanished, too.

I couldn't give a shit about my karma, but I do get a kick out of the people who downding me in silence and don't have the balls, or ovaries, to have a discussion with me. heh. I would feel like such a loser, such a sad pathetic wanker, if I was spending all my time downdinging a poster I didnt like and being too afraid to debate them.

There really should be some kind of medal for it. The purple teardrop with pearl cluster, or something.

Hey weasel you have been on my GAZE list almost since day one. Do I expect you to care? NO. My down dings for you today were solely because of your tone and language. I tend to move on when you start. Today I choose not to.

672 Sharmuta  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 4:14:03pm

re: #664 buzzsawmonkey

I don't believe you have an answer to #585. It's been hours and all we have is crickets. I myself asked what you meant by that comment, for I found it highly disturbing. Instead of explaining yourself- you've avoided answering the one question that gets to the crux of the matter- #585.

673 Bloodnok  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 4:14:21pm

re: #671 Erik The Red

Hey weasel you have been on my GAZE list almost since day one. Do I expect you to care? NO. My down dings for you today were solely because of your tone and language. I tend to move on when you start. Today I choose not to.

Ah, yes. The time-honored "Liberal posters can't get angry when abused" theory. Else they say something mean and we spend the rest of the time telling them how shocked we are at their behavior.

Seen it.

674 Erik The Red  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 4:15:03pm

re: #661 LudwigVanQuixote

NO! Class is the issue with you thinking it is ok to troll someone.

Courage is at least doing it openly.

You on the other hand just lurk and upping your approval.

Suppose your wife were angry at you and telling you why, and even was correct, and then you told her that you kept insulting her and discounting what she had to say because you enjoyed winding her up and making her angry.

She would hopefully slap you.

You have displayed the greatest lack of class by up dinging that - and even less class by whining about it to me.

It makes you not only an asshole, but a whiny asshole to boot.

I have gotten into it with you on AWG. Since you started getting pissy with anyone who questioned you I no longer even read what you have to sat about it.

675 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 4:15:15pm

re: #664 buzzsawmonkey


I do not see it that way. It does not look that way to me. Consider the following, if she really was stalking you with this issue unfairly... and there really was no legitimate beef with her, then the thing to do would have been to clarify your statements. Ice is not the only one who was troubled by them.

You could have made it all go away.

You chose not to.

What I wrote, when I first counseled Ice that you are normally a cool uy was your chance to clarify things.

Again, you chose not to.

I do not hate you, and I am hoping that there were a lot of unfortunate things that you said out of anger rather than out of really meaning it.

But that is up to you to clarify.

676 Erik The Red  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 4:16:12pm

re: #661 LudwigVanQuixote

NO! Class is the issue with you thinking it is ok to troll someone.

Courage is at least doing it openly.

You on the other hand just lurk and upping your approval.

Suppose your wife were angry at you and telling you why, and even was correct, and then you told her that you kept insulting her and discounting what she had to say because you enjoyed winding her up and making her angry.

She would hopefully slap you.

You have displayed the greatest lack of class by up dinging that - and even less class by whining about it to me.

It makes you not only an asshole, but a whiny asshole to boot.

Oh and if you think I AM A TROLL. Think again.

677 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 4:17:33pm

re: #674 Erik The Red

I have gotten into it with you on AWG. Since you started getting pissy with anyone who questioned you I no longer even read what you have to sat about it.

Erik that's fine. This is not about AGW. You should know better.

678 Erik The Red  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 4:18:15pm

re: #661 LudwigVanQuixote

NO! Class is the issue with you thinking it is ok to troll someone.

Courage is at least doing it openly.

You on the other hand just lurk and upping your approval.

Suppose your wife were angry at you and telling you why, and even was correct, and then you told her that you kept insulting her and discounting what she had to say because you enjoyed winding her up and making her angry.

She would hopefully slap you.

You have displayed the greatest lack of class by up dinging that - and even less class by whining about it to me.

It makes you not only an asshole, but a whiny asshole to boot.

Damn I just read this again. Have you been drinking. I am more than capable of letting go with my language to reply to your baseless attack. I won't at this time.

679 [deleted]  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 4:18:49pm
680 BARACK THE VOTE  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 4:19:19pm

re: #674 Erik The Red

I have gotten into it with you on AWG. Since you started getting pissy with anyone who questioned you I no longer even read what you have to sat about it.

Of course you don't read him. Because it doesn't matter at all that LVQ is brilliant and eloquent and correct, but he used some bad words that made your penis shrink when you thought about him being smarter than you. So it's more important for you to avoid his posts-- and mine -- than for you to, you know, get a fucking clue and find out the facts about AGW. "MEAN INTELLECKTUAL ELIT! MEAN!"

Pathetic.

681 Bagua  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 4:19:41pm

re: #677 LudwigVanQuixote

Erik that's fine. This is not about AGW. You should know better.

Don't try to minimize the peril to humanity we face...

682 Throbert McGee  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 4:20:24pm

re: #431 buzzsawmonkey

Most anti-homosexual prejudice has nothing to do with "fear" (i.e., "phobia")--at least, not in any real sense.

Well, most anti-foreigner prejudice has nothing to do with "fear" -- at least, not in any real sense -- so why aren't you denouncing the word "xenophobia"?

For that matter, most "trivia" has nothing whatsoever to do with the meeting point of three roads (Latin tres + via) -- so what? Etymology is not meaning.

The reality is that some people tend to have a fucking cow when other people suggest that same-sex attraction is fully within the range of "NORMAL adult sexual variation", and as there's no word in Greek denoting "the tendency to have a fucking cow," we'll just have to make do with "-phobia", even though few if any people literally FEAR homosexuals in the same sense that some people fear snakes or heights.

683 BARACK THE VOTE  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 4:20:41pm

re: #679 buzzsawmonkey

Have you answered SFZ yet?

684 BARACK THE VOTE  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 4:23:15pm

re: #673 Bloodnok

Ah, yes. The time-honored "Liberal posters can't get angry when abused" theory. Else they say something mean and we spend the rest of the time telling them how shocked we are at their behavior.

Seen it.

Of course, Nok. The problem is never anything anyone on the right does, the problem is always that the media reports it, and that liberals are angry about it. IOKIYAR.

685 Bagua  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 4:23:30pm

re: #682 Throbert McGee

Etymology is not meaning. ???


Damn this is getting complicated, I'm lost...

686 Sharmuta  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 4:23:38pm

re: #679 buzzsawmonkey

If it was deleted, there is nothing to explain.

I think it's because you have no decent explanation, so now the deletion is a convenient excuse. That's terrible, for this will now leave a foul stench on everything I see from you in the future and it's by your own choice.

687 Erik The Red  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 4:24:44pm

re: #666 iceweasel

That was certainly an example of a brilliant and devastating logical argument. I guess you've been saving it up all this time. You deserve a reward!


[Video](Cue the butthurt wailing that I've been mean. Oh no!)

No wailing here weasel. Unlike you I can take plenty. Unlike some people around here. BTW you name pretty much somes up what many here think of you.

wea⋅sel-noun: a cunning, sneaky person.

688 BARACK THE VOTE  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 4:24:54pm

re: #686 Sharmuta

I think it's because you have no decent explanation, so now the deletion is a convenient excuse. That's terrible, for this will now leave a foul stench on everything I see from you in the future and it's by your own choice.

As it should.

689 [deleted]  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 4:25:21pm
690 Throbert McGee  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 4:27:18pm

re: #669 LudwigVanQuixote

Look I know that you were trying to make an off color joke, but given the context, how is it that your clue phone is so very very disconnected?

Me a man.

691 Erik The Red  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 4:28:47pm

re: #677 LudwigVanQuixote

Erik that's fine. This is not about AGW. You should know better.

You right, its not. Its about being at least civil to each other. buzz may have been been a tad harsh but weasel has gone off the chart.

692 BARACK THE VOTE  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 4:29:40pm

re: #687 Erik The Red

BTW you name pretty much somes up what many here think of you.

wea⋅sel-noun: a cunning, sneaky person.

Sez the guy who lurks and downdings people he's afraid to debate!

Yes, I shall weep into my pillow every night over your opinion of me. And spare me your insinuations about what 'many here' think of me. I suspect those people are future commenters on Ace and 2.0 -- if they're not already there.
Again, pathetic.

693 [deleted]  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 4:30:05pm
694 BARACK THE VOTE  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 4:32:08pm

re: #693 buzzsawmonkey

I think it is stupid to discuss a post that's been deleted; I think it is silly for anyone to obsess over a post that has been deleted. What you do or how you feel is up to you.

Well played, Sir Buzzsaw. Very believable.

*golfclap*

695 Sharmuta  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 4:32:25pm

re: #693 buzzsawmonkey

I'm disgusted by what I saw, and I'm disgusted you won't clear the matter up with me when I asked in good faith what you meant by it. I had no idea you thought so little of me and other women. I have no idea at this point why you rail against women in burqas- it's their biological destinies, you know.

I see nothing but a misogynist now.

696 Bagua  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 4:33:17pm

re: #691 Erik The Red

You right, its not [about AGW].

I see, so we're all back to "its all about Etymology" again?

697 Erik The Red  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 4:33:56pm

re: #680 iceweasel

Of course you don't read him. Because it doesn't matter at all that LVQ is brilliant and eloquent and correct, but he used some bad words that made your penis shrink when you thought about him being smarter than you. So it's more important for you to avoid his posts-- and mine -- than for you to, you know, get a fucking clue and find out the facts about AGW. "MEAN INTELLECKTUAL ELIT! MEAN!"

Pathetic.

I can't believe. You are truely an ugly, evil, and spiteful "person". You are really bent. I wonder how you have managed to stay here for so long. You are not what LGF is about. Others have been banned here for saying far less things,

698 [deleted]  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 4:35:12pm
699 jacksontn  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 4:35:30pm

I think I know ...

Why Can't We Be Friends ...

Youtube Video
700 [deleted]  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 4:35:58pm
701 Erik The Red  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 4:36:15pm

re: #692 iceweasel

Sez the guy who lurks and downdings people he's afraid to debate!

Yes, I shall weep into my pillow every night over your opinion of me. And spare me your insinuations about what 'many here' think of me. I suspect those people are future commenters on Ace and 2.0 -- if they're not already there.
Again, pathetic.

Quote the whole comment. Don't cherry pick.

702 Bagua  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 4:37:26pm

re: #699 jacksontn

I think I know ...

Why Can't We Be Friends ...


I believe its because of something called "Etymyology"

703 BARACK THE VOTE  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 4:37:26pm

re: #697 Erik The Red

I can't believe. You are truely an ugly, evil, and spiteful "person". You are really bent. I wonder how you have managed to stay here for so long. You are not what LGF is about. Others have been banned here for saying far less things,

It's interesting that you imagine you get to dictate to me what LGF is about, and whether I can or can't post here.

704 debutaunt  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 4:37:31pm

Who will be the last doggie to growl?

705 BARACK THE VOTE  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 4:38:12pm

re: #701 Erik The Red

Quote the whole comment. Don't cherry pick.

You have no answer.

706 Bagua  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 4:41:44pm

re: #700 Roger

Thanks for the steam outlet over the years since 2003.

Was that a flounce off?

707 Throbert McGee  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 4:42:48pm

This entire thread seems infested either with actual Trolls, or with Lizards that have taken on the appearance of Trolls, in a possible example of Batesian mimicry.*

In any case, I recommend a Trollz-B-Gon bomb, now available in refreshing "Pox on both your houses" scent.

* P.S. "Batesian" mimicry is so called in honor of a scientist named "Bates," and does NOT rhyme with "lesion" -- I was embarrassingly far along in my biology education before I found this out.

708 freetoken  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 4:43:21pm

re: #700 Roger

I'm calling this the "Schrodinger Cat Flounce" (SCF).

One can't tell if it is really a flounce or not until one looks in the box.

709 BARACK THE VOTE  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 4:44:49pm

re: #708 freetoken

I'm calling this the "Schrodinger Cat Flounce" (SCF).

One can't tell if it is really a flounce or not until one looks in the box.

heh. That's kind of brilliant. :)

710 solomonpanting  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 4:46:13pm

re: #670 iceweasel


Attempts to turn this into an extended whinge about "iceweasel is meeean" are obvious deflections, and obvious to everyone


Does this mean you care about what others think?

re: #692 iceweasel


And spare me your insinuations about what 'many here' think of me.

Does this mean you don't care what others think?

711 Shug  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 4:49:46pm

re: #708 freetoken

I'm calling this the "Schrodinger Cat Flounce" (SCF).

One can't tell if it is really a flounce or not until one looks in the box.

I like it

712 Lee Coller  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 4:51:39pm

re: #708 freetoken

I'm calling this the "Schrodinger Cat Flounce" (SCF).

One can't tell if it is really a flounce or not until one looks in the box.

Looks like one to me.

713 BARACK THE VOTE  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 4:53:00pm

re: #710 solomonpanting

It means I don't give a shit what morons think of me, but the morons ought to realise that other people, not just me, see what they're doing and saying.

This lesson in reading comprehension was paid for by a grant from the Soros Foundation. :)

714 [deleted]  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 4:54:33pm
715 VioletTiger  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 4:54:59pm

Let's put a cap on this unfortunate thread with a very unfortunate movie...MegaShark vs Giant Octopus.

Yes, it is as bad as you think.

716 Throbert McGee  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 4:56:02pm

re: #685 Bagua

Etymology is not meaning.


???
Damn this is getting complicated, I'm lost...

I meant that the ancient Greek or Latin meanings of an English word's roots are not always a reliable predictor of what the word means in modern English. "Trivia" comes from the Latin phrase for "an intersection of three roads," but that's not at all what the word means NOW.

(How did it get its current sense? Because major road intersections tended to attract common riffraff looking to separate travelers from their money, whether as honest vendors or prostitutes or thieves. And once the adjective trivialis had come to mean "common and suitable for riffraff, instead of the original meaning "relating to a three-way intersection," from there it was a relatively short step to "useless knowledge.")

717 Lee Coller  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 4:57:10pm

re: #714 Roger

No new people, it is not what you call a flounce. It is politely asking for links etc from old comments as they are removed. If you have read me from the past you'll know I'm sincere.

Why not just use the search tool?

718 solomonpanting  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 4:57:45pm
Moveon over icerover
And let Jimmah take over
719 [deleted]  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 4:59:10pm
720 freetoken  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 5:01:19pm

re: #714 Roger

No new people, it is not what you call a flounce. It is politely asking for links etc from old comments as they are removed. If you have read me from the past you'll know I'm sincere.

President Obama is more likely the guy who runs things so far into the ground that the Anti-Christ and the Anti-Christ's rhetoric will be extremely attractive to the masses.


Just like I've done, you can click on your green football and get links to your former posts. Simply save the webpages as .archive format, and there you have all your writings.

721 Charles Johnson  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 5:01:46pm

re: #700 Roger

You've got to be kidding. You expect me to send you copies of all your comments, as you're flouncing off?

Make your own damned copies.

Unfreakingbelievable.

722 Bagua  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 5:02:51pm

re: #714 Roger

No new people, it is not what you call a flounce.

Fascinating, I knew it was a flounce.

re: #716 Throbert McGee

Thanks, all makes sense now, etymology is the key.

723 Ziggy Standard  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 5:07:06pm

re: #348 buzzsawmonkey


I have no idea what thread you are babbling about, nor do I ever remember calling you "a commie scumbag and an asshole." Not my sort of language, for starters. Sounds to me as though you are playing with your set of chrome-plated shit-stirrers again.

LIAR.

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

724 Bloodnok  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 5:08:59pm

re: #687 Erik The Red

No wailing here weasel. Unlike you I can take plenty. Unlike some people around here. BTW you name pretty much somes up what many here think of you.

wea⋅sel-noun: a cunning, sneaky person.

Tricksy! Damn her for making us act the way we do! All part of her master plan, I assume?

This is all about fragile egos being bruised by differing opinion. And when that bruised ego causes people to behave like brats or worse, like jerks we would rather point to someone else and cry "she made us do it" instead of calling bad behavior out for what it is. Anything to avoid agreeing with a liberal poster.

And when they can't debate the politics they go after things like "tone" and "dirty words" as if nobody here has ever used profanities or gotten heated in the course of an argument.

Political debate should be encouraged at LGF and we should be strong enough to accept different points of view because, y'know it only helps the discourse and gains more visitors to the site from both sides. It helps the site in the long run and helps Charles. But I suppose that doesn't matter, does it?

It's amazing that this has to be pointed out to such a smart community. But there are people who insist upon playing these games.

725 [deleted]  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 5:10:32pm
726 BARACK THE VOTE  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 5:12:06pm

re: #725 buzzsawmonkey

I see the second abuse shift has punched in.

Do you remember every word you post? Good for you.

I see you're back to claiming faulty memory and abusing Jimmah. As usual.

727 Sharmuta  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 5:15:27pm

It should have been a sign the end was nigh- Roger and I agreed on something.

728 Charles Johnson  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 5:16:38pm

I reeeaallly don't want to take sides in this pissing match, although I have to say, buzz, that your comment about "Phucking for Phun" really was way way WAY over the line. That's why it was deleted.

Now how about if we just knock it off?

729 wrenchwench  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 5:27:04pm

It's all over but the dinging...

730 solomonpanting  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 5:52:57pm

re: #729 wrenchwench

It's all over but the dinging...

Just about at the finish line now.

731 [deleted]  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 6:06:09pm
732 [deleted]  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 6:07:44pm
733 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 6:09:55pm

re: #650 Bagua

SFZ is mad too? I got that he was on the other side...

I am only ever on the side of truth, justice, and the American Way.

But I don't believe that 'biology is destiny', and I am greatly in favor of Women's Lib. Also birth control. I'm still sorting out the details of this debate.

Oh, and I'm a she. ;)

734 Throbert McGee  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 6:10:51pm

re: #715 VioletTiger

Let's put a cap on this unfortunate thread with a very unfortunate movie...MegaShark vs Giant Octopus.

Yes, it is as bad as you think.

PLEASE, do not defile the awesomeness of a giant shark jumping a mile and a half into the air to chomp the shit out of a passenger jet by speaking of it in the same sentence as this thread.

735 Charles Johnson  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 6:13:41pm

I'm going to delete any comments that continue the pissing match.

736 [deleted]  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 6:15:46pm
737 Fenris  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 6:47:27pm

If I ever meet Obama, I'll ask him how life was at Yale. I'll be sure to bring an umbrella along.

738 Sloppy  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 6:53:19pm

I started writing this post, then got distracted. Sorry. What I was going to say is that in a wistful effort to get back on topic, I should point out that here in flyover country many of us don't know or care about the difference between Harvard and Yale. Harvard = Yale = Cornell = Dartmouth = Wherever. Now, if you want to talk Nebraska/Oklahoma, that's a different matter.

739 QueenEsther  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 7:30:49pm

Columbia's not that big a school (unlike Mich State)... and I'm just so tired of hearing that Obama was such a great student unlike "mediocre" student Bush... if he was that good why didn't he stand out even a bit? And I also seem to recall that despite being Harvard Law Review editor, he didn't do much of anything memorable while at Harvard, either.
[My husband wants to add that there were only 800 people in his freshman class. And he was curious to know who paid for this education?]

As a former Chicagoan, I can attest that he came and went without making a difference, other than his own personal gain. As a matter of fact, those 8 Bush years were very, very good to Mr. Obama.

740 Dr. Shalit  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 7:43:38pm

Everyone -

Today Wes Pruden gets a "Yale" award. A temporary padlock for his pen.

-S-

741 claire  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 8:48:00pm

I'm going to start a petition to ban the word "butthurt." Anybody in?

742 bloodnok  Tue, Sep 8, 2009 11:00:17pm

re: #741 claire

I'm going to start a petition to ban the word "butthurt." Anybody in?

No

743 [deleted]  Wed, Sep 9, 2009 8:04:34am
744 [deleted]  Wed, Sep 9, 2009 8:09:25am
745 debutaunt  Wed, Sep 9, 2009 8:41:44am

re: #741 claire

I'm going to start a petition to ban the word "butthurt." Anybody in?

The words 'butthurt' and 'wingnut' seem to be the most overused and clung-to in this particular group. Just scroll on by.

746 nekama  Wed, Sep 9, 2009 10:24:03am

Sorry Mr. Pruden, you must be thinking of Van Jones, who went to Yale Law School.

Obama, Jones...it's easy to confuse the two. They share so much in common.

747 bloodnok  Wed, Sep 9, 2009 12:52:21pm

re: #745 debutaunt

The words 'butthurt' and 'wingnut' seem to be the most overused and clung-to in this particular group. Just scroll on by.

Oh please. It's just an attempt to silence a very specific subset of posters and is much less offensive (except in peoples minds) and repetitive than a lot of things that are allowed to stand unchallenged every day. That we've been hearing these words a few times (and it hasn't been very long now and hasn't been very much, has it) has not caused the world to end or your car to rust. Funny how it is terms that poke fun at the right that are the only ones people claim to have had enough of.

748 debutaunt  Wed, Sep 9, 2009 1:20:09pm

re: #747 bloodnok

Oh please. It's just an attempt to silence a very specific subset of posters and is much less offensive (except in peoples minds) and repetitive than a lot of things that are allowed to stand unchallenged every day. That we've been hearing these words a few times (and it hasn't been very long now and hasn't been very much, has it) has not caused the world to end or your car to rust. Funny how it is terms that poke fun at the right that are the only ones people claim to have had enough of.

I'm equally fed up with Moonbat, but am certain I'm the only one hoping for an updated and clever wordsmith to be creative.

749 claire  Wed, Sep 9, 2009 4:30:52pm

re: #742 bloodnok

Did you think I was serious about an actual petition? My God.

750 Bloodnok  Wed, Sep 9, 2009 4:50:10pm

re: #749 claire

Did you think I was serious about an actual petition? My God.

Uh, no. I think my follow-up post made it clear that I viewed it as simply more whining.

751 Claire  Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:15:43pm

Whining? About what? Having to hear a word 29 times in one thread that conjures up images of 5th graders bent over at the waist wriggling their rear-ends taunting each other? It's a bit Beavis and Butthead for my taste, but then I am 40 years past that stage, ehem.

752 Bloodnok  Wed, Sep 9, 2009 5:33:18pm

re: #751 Claire

Whining? About what? Having to hear a word 29 times in one thread that conjures up images of 5th graders bent over at the waist wriggling their rear-ends taunting each other? It's a bit Beavis and Butthead for my taste, but then I am 40 years past that stage, ehem.

That's YOUR imagination doing that. And people should not have to hold their tongue because of it. It's a harmless word.

You can have the last snark at me and then we can drop it, okay?

753 claire  Wed, Sep 9, 2009 6:12:45pm

Oh, alright, if you insist.

"Whaah! She tried ta take muh magic word away and thus render me speechless! Whaah!


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