Tuesday Afternoon Music: Pat Metheny and Brad Mehldau, ‘All The Things You Are’
A terrific duet on the jazz standard “All the Things You Are,” by Pat Metheny and Brad Mehldau.
A terrific duet on the jazz standard “All the Things You Are,” by Pat Metheny and Brad Mehldau.
3 | itellu3times Tue, Sep 8, 2009 3:43:05pm |
Deep Purple singing Cream's Glad - long and stony version
oh, those were the days mah friend
4 | Rancher Tue, Sep 8, 2009 3:52:29pm |
re: #3 itellu3times
Deep Purple singing Cream's Glad - long and stony version
oh, those were the days mah friend
We thought they'd never end.
5 | BignJames Tue, Sep 8, 2009 3:56:11pm |
Hey Charles, I generally play 12 bar blues...and a "standard" formulation is 4 bars I chord, 2 bars IV chord, 2 bars I chord,2 bars V chord,1 bar IV chord,1 bar I chord...or some quick change or other turn around. Does a jazz tune have a "standard" formulation?
6 | BignJames Tue, Sep 8, 2009 3:57:22pm |
8 | Charles Johnson Tue, Sep 8, 2009 4:03:17pm |
Sarah Palin is tripling down on her "death panel" boogieman scare story today at her Facebook page. She says she's been "vindicated." There really are death panels. And they're gonna get yer granny.
[Link: www.facebook.com...]
The deceptive fear mongering idiocy is really giving me a headache.
9 | Bubblehead II Tue, Sep 8, 2009 4:04:56pm |
French government to tackle surging health care deficit
*snip*
France's health system is largely financed by the state and has been hailed as the best in the world by the World Health Organization. It is also one of the most costly and the government constantly struggles to control spending.
*snip*
/ Yep, single payer is defiantly the way to go.
10 | BignJames Tue, Sep 8, 2009 4:05:21pm |
My granny is 102...still lives by herself...she'd kick Sarah's butt...just because.
11 | itellu3times Tue, Sep 8, 2009 4:05:29pm |
re: #8 Charles
The deceptive fear mongering idiocy is really giving me a headache.
Headache, headache, let's see, what do we have for headache ... oh, I know:
12 | DEZes Tue, Sep 8, 2009 4:05:41pm |
I should have posted my shiny new song on the shiny new music thread.
Face/palm.
13 | Bubblehead II Tue, Sep 8, 2009 4:07:38pm |
re: #8 Charles
OK, this is just weird. You post a message about health care reform hyperbole, just before I post a message about actual problems with single payer health care.
Weird.
14 | Charles Johnson Tue, Sep 8, 2009 4:07:54pm |
16 | Killgore Trout Tue, Sep 8, 2009 4:09:49pm |
re: #5 BignJames
Hey Charles, I generally play 12 bar blues...and a "standard" formulation is 4 bars I chord, 2 bars IV chord, 2 bars I chord,2 bars V chord,1 bar IV chord,1 bar I chord...or some quick change or other turn around. Does a jazz tune have a "standard" formulation?
Kind of. Jazz Is a little more like classical music in that the forms are longer and more complex.
17 | Charles Johnson Tue, Sep 8, 2009 4:11:14pm |
re: #5 BignJames
Hey Charles, I generally play 12 bar blues...and a "standard" formulation is 4 bars I chord, 2 bars IV chord, 2 bars I chord,2 bars V chord,1 bar IV chord,1 bar I chord...or some quick change or other turn around. Does a jazz tune have a "standard" formulation?
Not really. Jazz standards include all kinds of different arrangements -- it's a much more open form of music than traditional blues.
18 | Killgore Trout Tue, Sep 8, 2009 4:12:39pm |
Tea Parties: Where hysterical nuts meet their stupid representatives...
Rep. Jean Schmidt Tells Birther: ‘I Agree With You’
Rep. Jean Schmidt (R-OH) spoke at the Voice of America tea party this Labor Day weekend outside of Cincinnati, OH. Following a tense Q&A session — during which, the congresswoman was booed for acknowledging that the Constitution is a living document — Schmidt engaged in a heated conversation with a birther off-stage. At the conclusion of their exchange, Schmidt whispered to the birther, “I agree with you, but the courts don’t.”
Think Progress attended the event and captured exclusive video of the exchange. Watch it:
Nirtherizm iz biiig seekrit! Shhh...
19 | avanti Tue, Sep 8, 2009 4:13:46pm |
re: #8 Charles
Sarah Palin is tripling down on her "death panel" boogieman scare story today at her Facebook page. She says she's been "vindicated." There really are death panels. And they're gonna get yer granny.
[Link: www.facebook.com...]
The deceptive fear mongering idiocy is really giving me a headache.
Just saw on the national news that Obama disagreed with just calling the criticism from the right "silly" and wants to fight back personally to the smears. Apparently, the school speech dust up pissed him off. All I can say, is it's about time he lost some of his mellow and called out the worst of the attackers.
20 | Shug Tue, Sep 8, 2009 4:17:30pm |
The tea party bus is in Detroit today.
I was listening to Frank Beckman this morning on 760 WJR and he had the Tea party bus tour guy on and I so wanted to call in and ask him to publically denounce 9-11 truthers, Ron Paulians and Birthers.
but Frank wasn't taking any calls during that segment.
If I wasn't at work tonight I was going to go to the tea party with a sign that said
BIRTHERS TRUTHERS AND BIRCHERS OUT OF THE GOP
21 | Killgore Trout Tue, Sep 8, 2009 4:18:26pm |
re: #8 Charles
Confusion among Republicans...
GOP Chooses Rep. Boustany, Co-Sponsor Of So-Called ‘Death Panel’ Provision, To Deliver Obama Rebuttal
Actually, one of Boustany’s most notable proposals has received bipartisan support and was included in health care legislation: a plan to permit Medicare to pay for voluntary end-of-life counseling. Boustany, in fact, was an original co-sponsor of this provision. Republicans were the ones who objected to this bipartisan proposal, saying it would establish “death panels” ready to “pull the plug on grandma.”
Quagmmire!
22 | Walter L. Newton Tue, Sep 8, 2009 4:18:37pm |
re: #19 avanti
Just saw on the national news that Obama disagreed with just calling the criticism from the right "silly" and wants to fight back personally to the smears. Apparently, the school speech dust up pissed him off. All I can say, is it's about time he lost some of his mellow and called out the worst of the attackers.
Works for me. Maybe the progressives have finally got the message that the conservatives will not be cowered into playing any more of the PC games and the "can't we all get along" poop.
24 | Cannadian Club Akbar Tue, Sep 8, 2009 4:19:22pm |
re: #21 Killgore Trout
Confusion among Republicans...
GOP Chooses Rep. Boustany, Co-Sponsor Of So-Called ‘Death Panel’ Provision, To Deliver Obama Rebuttal
Quagmmire!
Gigity!
25 | Shug Tue, Sep 8, 2009 4:19:43pm |
re: #23 Bubblehead II
You forgot the Paulians.
Not sure I could fit that allon a sign...but yep
how about
Paulians, back to Hale Bop now
26 | Sharmuta Tue, Sep 8, 2009 4:20:14pm |
re: #22 Walter L. Newton
Works for me. Maybe the progressives have finally got the message that the conservatives will not be cowered into playing any more of the PC games and the "can't we all get along" poop.
Laura Bush is so proud of you, Walter.
28 | Taqyia2Me Tue, Sep 8, 2009 4:20:38pm |
re: #22 Walter L. Newton
Works for me. Maybe the progressives have finally got the message that the conservatives will not be cowered into playing any more of the PC games and the "can't we all get along" poop.
Real debate instead of the bs narrative would actually have a chance at being productive.
29 | Killgore Trout Tue, Sep 8, 2009 4:21:26pm |
WND found another authentic Obama nirth certifikit.
30 | Walter L. Newton Tue, Sep 8, 2009 4:21:54pm |
Actually, one of Boustany’s most notable proposals has received bipartisan support and was included in health care legislation: a plan to permit Medicare to pay for voluntary end-of-life counseling. Boustany, in fact, was an original co-sponsor of this provision. Republicans were the ones who objected to this bipartisan proposal, saying it would establish “death panels” ready to “pull the plug on grandma.”
And guess what folks, the NEW version of HR 3200, still has the end of life language, the same as it did before. I don't know who implied that this funding option was going to be removed, but it isn't...
See page 424, Section 1233 of the new "America’s Affordable Health Choices Act of 2009."
If you don't have your new copy, get it.
31 | Killgore Trout Tue, Sep 8, 2009 4:22:17pm |
32 | Shug Tue, Sep 8, 2009 4:22:26pm |
Wasn't the "death panel" argument about mandatory end of life discussions by a government worker?
How could anybody be so stupid as to make the link between reimbursement for a physician having a voluntary of life discussion with a patient and call these death panels.
sheesh
33 | Walter L. Newton Tue, Sep 8, 2009 4:22:29pm |
34 | Charles Johnson Tue, Sep 8, 2009 4:22:48pm |
re: #29 Killgore Trout
WND found another authentic Obama nirth certifikit.
Almost every story on their front page is a Nirther rant!
Dozens of them. They're bringing the serious crazy now.
35 | Taqyia2Me Tue, Sep 8, 2009 4:22:54pm |
re: #29 Killgore Trout
I never could figure out how the fact Pres. Obama's mother is a US citizen doesn't matter to that crowd.
36 | freetoken Tue, Sep 8, 2009 4:23:06pm |
re: #29 Killgore Trout
You do realize that 200 years from now, old men with nothing else to do at their masonic lodge will still be going through all of these "certificates" trying to determine which one was the real one?
37 | Taqyia2Me Tue, Sep 8, 2009 4:24:05pm |
re: #35 Taqyia2Me
I never could figure out how the fact Pres. Obama's mother is a US citizen doesn't matter to that crowd.
I should say was because she is deceased (RIP).
38 | avanti Tue, Sep 8, 2009 4:24:30pm |
re: #22 Walter L. Newton
Works for me. Maybe the progressives have finally got the message that the conservatives will not be cowered into playing any more of the PC games and the "can't we all get along" poop.
I voted for Obama because I bought the whole "get along" line, and it's been a wake up call for me to find out that is impossible in the real world. Obama has to give up the attempt at working with the right and get down to business without them.
39 | itellu3times Tue, Sep 8, 2009 4:24:38pm |
re: #14 Charles
We'll put that down as saving $123,000,000,000 over forty-seven years in the new Obama health plan.
40 | Shug Tue, Sep 8, 2009 4:24:49pm |
re: #29 Killgore Trout
WND found another authentic Obama nirth certifikit.
did you see the lawsuit filed over the weekend?
Guy filed some sort of court document in that if the nirth certifikit is a fake he risks going to prison. I posted the link to his court docs last night. His atty is none other than Orly Taitz !( shocker !!! )
hearing was supposed to be today.
My advice to him : Don't drop the soap in the big house
41 | Killgore Trout Tue, Sep 8, 2009 4:25:14pm |
Shaun Conley: Johnstown Colorado Tea Party Organizer Issues Racist Threats
Shaun Conley Of Conley Plumbing In Johnstown Colorado decided to leave a racist, threatening message on my blog. Here is the message plumber Shaun Conley Of Conley Plumbing In Johnstown Colorado left:
The socialists will pull the first trigger. We rightwing extremists will pull the last.
Signed,
Bitter Clinger.
PS: Massa Obama must be proud to know that the slaves on his government plantation are so devoted. ding-ding-ding. Uh oh! Massa O is calling! You’d better step-n-fetchit, bootlick.
42 | freetoken Tue, Sep 8, 2009 4:25:56pm |
If you are interested in 'nirthers, you don't have to go any farther than Sarah Palin's own wall at Facebook:
Tamara Kreisler BORN IN THE USA?
Shocker! Judge orders trial on eligibility issue
Arguments planned Jan. 11 for major Obama challenge
[Link: www.wnd.com...]
about a minute ago · Report
43 | Sharmuta Tue, Sep 8, 2009 4:26:01pm |
re: #33 Walter L. Newton
Do you think it's good for this country to continue the divisiveness, or should we work to find common ground where we can?
44 | Spare O'Lake Tue, Sep 8, 2009 4:26:07pm |
re: #34 Charles
Almost every story on their front page is a Nirther rant!
Dozens of them. They're bringing the serious crazy now.
That silliness has more legs than the June Taylor dancers.
45 | Abu Bin Squid Tue, Sep 8, 2009 4:26:43pm |
Great video. Can we consider Metheny "out of uniform"? Looks like a solid colored shirt. I can't remember seeing him without the grey and white stripped shirt. Change?
47 | Racer X Tue, Sep 8, 2009 4:27:15pm |
re: #30 Walter L. Newton
And guess what folks, the NEW version of HR 3200, still has the end of life language, the same as it did before. I don't know who implied that this funding option was going to be removed, but it isn't...
See page 424, Section 1233 of the new "America’s Affordable Health Choices Act of 2009."
If you don't have your new copy, get it.
If the government is paying the bill (or an insurance company for that matter) they obviously want to reduce costs. If an elderly patient is willing to pay more to extend their life through treatment then they should be able to do that.
Under the bill proposed by Democrats will this still be an option?
48 | austin_blue Tue, Sep 8, 2009 4:27:23pm |
re: #8 Charles
Sarah Palin is tripling down on her "death panel" boogieman scare story today at her Facebook page. She says she's been "vindicated." There really are death panels. And they're gonna get yer granny.
[Link: www.facebook.com...]
The deceptive fear mongering idiocy is really giving me a headache.
Charles:
Two very nice stories in The NYT Science section-
[Link: www.nytimes.com...]
[Link: www.nytimes.com...]
Both discuss using gene regression to identify concestors. In the case of the dog story, they can pinpoint both the location and the approximate time frame of domestication.
Science!!
49 | Walter L. Newton Tue, Sep 8, 2009 4:27:26pm |
re: #38 avanti
I voted for Obama because I bought the whole "get along" line, and it's been a wake up call for me to find out that is impossible in the real world. Obama has to give up the attempt at working with the right and get down to business without them.
Yea I know, he's been a real Ghandi. LOL
50 | The Shadow Do Tue, Sep 8, 2009 4:28:19pm |
re: #19 avanti
Just saw on the national news that Obama disagreed with just calling the criticism from the right "silly" and wants to fight back personally to the smears. Apparently, the school speech dust up pissed him off. All I can say, is it's about time he lost some of his mellow and called out the worst of the attackers.
Hi Avanti!
Sounds like you are all fired up, and ready to go!
Are you all fired up!
Are you ready to go!
51 | itellu3times Tue, Sep 8, 2009 4:28:35pm |
re: #38 avanti
I voted for Obama because I bought the whole "get along" line, and it's been a wake up call for me to find out that is impossible in the real world. Obama has to give up the attempt at working with the right and get down to business without them.
If Obama has to give it up, it's because Pelosi and Reid won't do it.
52 | Shug Tue, Sep 8, 2009 4:30:13pm |
re: #46 BignJames
I predict exploding heads.
After the bad taste of all the ODS, it's nice to get a little palate cleanser in the form of good old fashioned CDS
53 | akalivas Tue, Sep 8, 2009 4:30:15pm |
Very nice duet! Like many others, I was originally directed to LGF for the political news and debate, so I haven't been watching the music videos that you post Charles. My bad. I won't be skipping these in the future!
My own knowledge of jazz is limited to non-existent. I see that I've been missing out on a chance for a little musical education and audio relaxation here. Charles, as a jazz musician yourself, you are obviously selecting some of the best stuff out there. Thanks for sharing.
54 | Racer X Tue, Sep 8, 2009 4:31:08pm |
re: #38 avanti
ObamaBush has to give up the attempt at working with therightleft and get down to business without them.
Like that worked.
55 | avanti Tue, Sep 8, 2009 4:32:02pm |
re: #50 The Shadow Do
Hi Avanti!
Sounds like you are all fired up, and ready to go!
Are you all fired up!
Are you ready to go!
Ready to go to the casino, I am.
56 | Walter L. Newton Tue, Sep 8, 2009 4:32:20pm |
re: #47 Racer X
If the government is paying the bill (or an insurance company for that matter) they obviously want to reduce costs. If an elderly patient is willing to pay more to extend their life through treatment then they should be able to do that.
Under the bill proposed by Democrats will this still be an option?
I don't think that question is related to end of life counseling. End of life counseling does not require anyone to pick treatments or what ever, it's simply letting a patient know the different options about what quality of life will be like, and the possible directions they could take. It is not treatment in itself.
That comes later, and I don't know how out of pocket spending works into all this.
The end of life counseling is nothing new, it's just the funding mechanism that is being amended and inserted into the proposals.
57 | Taqyia2Me Tue, Sep 8, 2009 4:32:51pm |
58 | avanti Tue, Sep 8, 2009 4:33:16pm |
re: #51 itellu3times
If Obama has to give it up, it's because Pelosi and Reid won't do it.
Pelosi needs to be taken to the wood shed by the POTUS at some point.
59 | Walter L. Newton Tue, Sep 8, 2009 4:33:21pm |
re: #43 Sharmuta
Do you think it's good for this country to continue the divisiveness, or should we work to find common ground where we can?
It don't matter, as per the comment and link by Avanti, the gloves have come off.
Let's rumble :)
60 | Digital Display Tue, Sep 8, 2009 4:33:47pm |
re: #38 avanti
I voted for Obama because I bought the whole "get along" line, and it's been a wake up call for me to find out that is impossible in the real world. Obama has to give up the attempt at working with the right and get down to business without them.
Well..You got to start working with the right before you stop..
What's it say to you when the Dems control all branches of the Government
And can't the most important bill in Obama's political life? Poor Obama..He better stop listening to the right...Cause those votes are killing me...yea right
61 | The Shadow Do Tue, Sep 8, 2009 4:34:43pm |
62 | DEZes Tue, Sep 8, 2009 4:34:45pm |
re: #58 avanti
Pelosi needs to be taken to the wood shed by the POTUS at some point.
Put me down for five bucks on Pelosi.
///
63 | Racer X Tue, Sep 8, 2009 4:35:16pm |
re: #56 Walter L. Newton
I don't think that question is related to end of life counseling. End of life counseling does not require anyone to pick treatments or what ever, it's simply letting a patient know the different options about what quality of life will be like, and the possible directions they could take. It is not treatment in itself.
That comes later, and I don't know how out of pocket spending works into all this.
The end of life counseling is nothing new, it's just the funding mechanism that is being amended and inserted into the proposals.
If thats the case then I don't get all the bruhaha. End of life counseling is a good thing.
64 | brookly red Tue, Sep 8, 2009 4:35:50pm |
re: #62 DEZes
Put me down for five bucks on Pelosi.
///
/both your five bucks & the wood shed will end up missing...
65 | SixDegrees Tue, Sep 8, 2009 4:36:04pm |
re: #18 Killgore Trout
the congresswoman was booed for acknowledging that the Constitution is a living document
How surprising is this? The GOP is being shoved around by the insurgent John Birch Society. Gotta keep dem darkies in dey place, y'know.
//, on the off chance it's really needed.
66 | DEZes Tue, Sep 8, 2009 4:36:08pm |
67 | freetoken Tue, Sep 8, 2009 4:36:25pm |
re: #57 Taqyia2Me
This may not make me very popular around here (hah!), but IMO VDH has become a demagogue. He has set aside is scholarly origins and now plays on the common themes of the right-o-sphere blogs.
68 | Walter L. Newton Tue, Sep 8, 2009 4:37:43pm |
re: #60 HoosierHoops
Well..You got to start working with the right before you stop..
What's it say to you when the Dems control all branches of the Government
And can't the most important bill in Obama's political life? Poor Obama..He better stop listening to the right...Cause those votes are killing me...yea right
You're so right. So Obama has not been trying one ounce to work with the GOP, and the GOP has been merrily speaking a lot of truth (Palin and the nuts like Beck not included), and it's been working and now Obama is going to "take off the gloves."
Obama is not even capable of putting blame where blame is due. On his own party, his own far left progressives who are undermining him, on his own lousy management style, there is som many other places to place some blame for his failed administration, yet he has to whine about the right.
What he thought was an easy target turned out not to be so easy.
69 | Bubblehead II Tue, Sep 8, 2009 4:37:53pm |
re: #61 The Shadow Do
They wont. I work in that sector. If he puts it on the table/slots, we will take it from him.
The House ALWAYS wins.
70 | Shug Tue, Sep 8, 2009 4:37:54pm |
anybody see Yale Press Caving today and removing the cartoons of blasphemy from a textbook over, surpriiise,
fear of violence
cowards
71 | Walter L. Newton Tue, Sep 8, 2009 4:38:18pm |
re: #63 Racer X
If thats the case then I don't get all the bruhaha. End of life counseling is a good thing.
Duh?
72 | akalivas Tue, Sep 8, 2009 4:39:52pm |
re: #36 freetoken
You do realize that 200 years from now, old men with nothing else to do at their masonic lodge will still be going through all of these "certificates" trying to determine which one was the real one?
Oh oh, before there were truthers... or birthers...
... there were the Masons!
Now I see clearly. The Masons are behind it ALL!!
73 | esch Tue, Sep 8, 2009 4:40:07pm |
So zerO's dumping the 'calm' huh? Now we are going to start seeing the 'real' Obama. That should pull all those disgusted independents back into the fold.
Shweet.
74 | freetoken Tue, Sep 8, 2009 4:40:35pm |
Pay attention KT, VDH has come to the defense of the Tea Parties!
From the link to the latest NRO piece:
...
The new town-hallers and tea-partiers who went to meetings and press conferences and protested their government were not Chicago-style hoi polloi, but counterrevolutionaries or insurance toadies who feared real reformers. The dissidents were, of course, also racists. These inauthentic Astroturfers simply could not tolerate a black president and so, like the doomed dinosaurs, they mindlessly bellowed out at the new landscape that they could not live within.
...
In this part of his essay, VDH goes the low road. He is reading his own thoughts into what he is portraying as President Obama's thoughts.
VDH - cheap demagogue.
75 | Killgore Trout Tue, Sep 8, 2009 4:44:03pm |
re: #74 freetoken
I gave up on him a while ago.
76 | freetoken Tue, Sep 8, 2009 4:44:14pm |
Hey, we just had a "Schrodinger Cat Flounce" (SCF) down on the Wash. Times thread!
77 | BignJames Tue, Sep 8, 2009 4:44:39pm |
re: #74 freetoken
It may not be Obama's thought, but it's common among his supporters.
78 | HelloDare Tue, Sep 8, 2009 4:46:28pm |
Saw a bumper sticker version of this today.
79 | Digital Display Tue, Sep 8, 2009 4:46:32pm |
re: #68 Walter L. Newton
You're so right. So Obama has not been trying one ounce to work with the GOP, and the GOP has been merrily speaking a lot of truth (Palin and the nuts like Beck not included), and it's been working and now Obama is going to "take off the gloves."
Obama is not even capable of putting blame where blame is due. On his own party, his own far left progressives who are undermining him, on his own lousy management style, there is som many other places to place some blame for his failed administration, yet he has to whine about the right.
What he thought was an easy target turned out not to be so easy.
Obama made a tactical mistake with the Indy's and moderates...
He tried to shove his whole vision down the throats of Americans in 6 months...He should have just done like Clinton had an economic summit and looked like a hero when the economy recovered (Which it always does)
He had 8 years to convince us he had he might have the slightest idea what he was doing. bring in his policy idea and solutions to healthcare and the Environment. I think at this rate I could beat him in 3 years...
It reminds me of the first thing I ever heard Robin Williams say...
Mayday! Mayday! They're not buying the Bullshit!
80 | Walter L. Newton Tue, Sep 8, 2009 4:46:47pm |
Evidently some progressives in Congress is just not getting the message, not only are they pushing the same old things that many Americans have been speaking out against, they are making it even more inclusive...
"Just as auto coverage is now mandatory in most states, Baucus would a require that all Americans get health insurance once the system is overhauled. Penalties for failing to get insurance would start at $750 a year for individuals and $1,500 for families. Households making more than three times the federal poverty level - about $66,000 for a family of four - would face the maximum fines. For families, it would be $3,800, and for individuals, $950."
[Link: apnews.myway.com...]
81 | Randall Gross Tue, Sep 8, 2009 4:48:02pm |
re: #18 Killgore Trout
That's sick and sad - she's ripping on the only remaining branch of gov't that Republicans have a modicum of control in. How stupid is that?
82 | Gus Tue, Sep 8, 2009 4:48:12pm |
re: #8 Charles
Sarah Palin is tripling down on her "death panel" boogieman scare story today at her Facebook page. She says she's been "vindicated." There really are death panels. And they're gonna get yer granny.
[Link: www.facebook.com...]
The deceptive fear mongering idiocy is really giving me a headache.
An excerpt from this entry by Sarah Palin reveals:
The fact is that any group of government bureaucrats that makes decisions affecting life or death is essentially a “death panel.” The work of Dr. Ezekiel Emanuel, President Obama’s health policy advisor and the brother of his chief of staff, is particularly disturbing on this score. Dr. Emanuel has written extensively on the topic of rationed health care, describing a “Complete Lives System” for allotting medical care based on “a priority curve on which individuals aged between roughly 15 and 40 years get the most chance, whereas the youngest and oldest people get chances that are attenuated.”
This is a highly selective "analysis" for several reasons:
1. This paper was authored by three scientists, Govind Persad, Alan Wertheimer, Ezekiel J Emanuel and on by Mr. Emanuel alone as Sarah Palin suggests.
2. The priority curve is simply a point in the paper and it does not endorse its use. Bioethicists typically analyze various techniques to arrive at their conclusions. This curve is part of the complete lives paper and they went so far as to state objection in several places and they state:
A. Reduced chances for persons who have lived many years; life-years are not a relevant health care outcome; unable to deal with international diff erences in life expectancy; need lexical priority rather than balancing; complete lives system is not appropriate for general distribution of health care resources.
B. Ultimately, the complete lives system does not create “classes of Untermenschen whose lives and well being are deemed not worth spending money on”, but rather empowers us to decide fairly whom to save when genuine scarcity makes saving everyone impossible.
The whole purpose of the paper was for the "[allocation] of very scarce medical interventions such as organs and vaccines is a persistent ethical challenge." As noted in "A" above it was not intended for general distribution of health care.
83 | Bubblehead II Tue, Sep 8, 2009 4:49:35pm |
re: #55 avanti
Just out of curiosity. what games do you play when you go to a casino?
84 | JacksonTn Tue, Sep 8, 2009 4:50:10pm |
Who here needs just one more vacation before winter ... raise your hand ... a sweet beach somewhere ... fruity cocktails ... music ... I am booking something soon ... thanking my lucky stars ...
85 | freetoken Tue, Sep 8, 2009 4:51:19pm |
re: #82 Gus 802
Gus - stop it! You are using your brain too much. At this rate, you'll never get a political appointment in the coming Palin administration.
86 | DEZes Tue, Sep 8, 2009 4:52:01pm |
re: #84 JacksonTn
Who here needs just one more vacation before winter ... raise your hand ... a sweet beach somewhere ... fruity cocktails ... music ... I am booking something soon ... thanking my lucky stars ...
Have a great time.
Rackafrackarack.
///
87 | pink freud Tue, Sep 8, 2009 4:53:03pm |
Obama to seal US-UN relationship
Barack Obama will cement the new co-operative relationship between the US and the United Nations this month when he becomes the first American president to chair its 15-member Security Council.
The topic for the summit-level session of the council on September 24 is nuclear non-proliferation and nuclear disarmament – one of several global challenges that the US now wants to see addressed at a multinational level.
88 | DEZes Tue, Sep 8, 2009 4:53:45pm |
re: #86 DEZes
Have a great time.
Rackafrackarack.
///
Just to be clear, I did mean have fun.
The sarc tags were for the cartoon cussing.
89 | Digital Display Tue, Sep 8, 2009 4:54:09pm |
re: #84 JacksonTn
Who here needs just one more vacation before winter ... raise your hand ... a sweet beach somewhere ... fruity cocktails ... music ... I am booking something soon ... thanking my lucky stars ...
[Video]
I wanna go golfing in Florida this Jan...A week of fun from the hell of Indiana Winters...There is nothing like waiting at dawn and looking down a driveway with a foot of fresh snow to start your day...
/Hope you are well
90 | Gus Tue, Sep 8, 2009 4:54:19pm |
re: #85 freetoken
Gus - stop it! You are using your brain too much. At this rate, you'll never get a political appointment in the coming Palin administration.
Darn it. I was just about to start another one regarding another misleading statement on that page.
91 | Shug Tue, Sep 8, 2009 4:54:42pm |
re: #80 Walter L. Newton
Evidently some progressives in Congress is just not getting the message, not only are they pushing the same old things that many Americans have been speaking out against, they are making it even more inclusive...
"Just as auto coverage is now mandatory in most states, Baucus would a require that all Americans get health insurance once the system is overhauled. Penalties for failing to get insurance would start at $750 a year for individuals and $1,500 for families. Households making more than three times the federal poverty level - about $66,000 for a family of four - would face the maximum fines. For families, it would be $3,800, and for individuals, $950."
[Link: apnews.myway.com...]
This penalizes childless " families" or "families" with less than 3 children assuming that a "family" consists of a husband and wife.
92 | Walter L. Newton Tue, Sep 8, 2009 4:55:42pm |
re: #89 HoosierHoops
I wanna go golfing in Florida this Jan...A week of fun from the hell of Indiana Winters...There is nothing like waiting at dawn and looking down a driveway with a foot of fresh snow to start your day...
/Hope you are well
Or at a bear looking back up the driveway. We've had two garbage can robberies in the last 5 days. They are trying to bulk up for the coming winter.
93 | JacksonTn Tue, Sep 8, 2009 4:56:08pm |
re: #89 HoosierHoops
I wanna go golfing in Florida this Jan...A week of fun from the hell of Indiana Winters...There is nothing like waiting at dawn and looking down a driveway with a foot of fresh snow to start your day...
/Hope you are well
HH ... I am great ... we will survive all this crap going on ... we always do ... hey ... it might be neck bones and rice but that actually is a good dish ... you know ... comfort food ... lol ...
94 | The Shadow Do Tue, Sep 8, 2009 4:56:22pm |
re: #69 Bubblehead II
They wont. I work in that sector. If he puts it on the table/slots, we will take it from him.
The House ALWAYS wins.
LOL! Don't I know it! My litlle sis dealt poker for a while. She said whatever you do, do not, and repeat after me...DO NOT EVER PLAY POKER IN A CASINO.
So I found other games to fleece me instead...
95 | DEZes Tue, Sep 8, 2009 4:56:52pm |
re: #92 Walter L. Newton
Or at a bear looking back up the driveway. We've had two garbage can robberies in the last 5 days. They are trying to bulk up for the coming winter.
Don't let em bulk up on you. ;)
96 | Bubblehead II Tue, Sep 8, 2009 4:57:27pm |
Hmmm...
You still there Avanti? I asked a question. What Games do you play when you go to the "Casino".
97 | Killgore Trout Tue, Sep 8, 2009 4:58:15pm |
re: #81 Thanos
That's sick and sad - she's ripping on the only remaining branch of gov't that Republicans have a modicum of control in. How stupid is that?
Agreed. It fits in with the revolutionary and anti-American spirit of the Tea Parties. They hate all branches of our government. Hell, a lot of the Paulians and libertarians even hate democracy.
98 | Shug Tue, Sep 8, 2009 4:58:24pm |
re: #92 Walter L. Newton
Or at a bear looking back up the driveway. We've had two garbage can robberies in the last 5 days. They are trying to bulk up for the coming winter.
Could also be an elaborate Gipsy identity theft ring using trained bears
99 | DEZes Tue, Sep 8, 2009 4:58:47pm |
Lizards, I'm getting tired.
Thanks for the company
Later.
100 | Digital Display Tue, Sep 8, 2009 4:59:02pm |
re: #87 pink freud
Obama to seal US-UN relationship
Barack Obama will cement the new co-operative relationship between the US and the United Nations this month when he becomes the first American president to chair its 15-member Security Council.
The topic for the summit-level session of the council on September 24 is nuclear non-proliferation and nuclear disarmament – one of several global challenges that the US now wants to see addressed at a multinational level.
Well Obama was so bored he figured he'd do a chairmanship at the UN...
Here is another case of ego... I would have appointed Bill Clinton...It a win-win situation.. You get Billy out of DC and Hillary would be thrilled..
What's not to like? And Billy Boy...A 192 nations! Lot's of smoking hot women Bill...
Call Obama's Blackberry! /He owes you dude..
101 | Gus Tue, Sep 8, 2009 4:59:05pm |
102 | Erik The Red Tue, Sep 8, 2009 4:59:31pm |
re: #99 DEZes
Lizards, I'm getting tired.
Thanks for the company
Later.
Later DEZes. wEEt dreams buddy.
103 | Bubblehead II Tue, Sep 8, 2009 5:00:16pm |
re: #94 The Shadow Do
The House will always win. The games are legit. But they will also take you for everything you got if you let them.
Sort of like our government.
No Sarc
104 | Racer X Tue, Sep 8, 2009 5:00:21pm |
re: #92 Walter L. Newton
Or at a bear looking back up the driveway. We've had two garbage can robberies in the last 5 days. They are trying to bulk up for the coming winter.
How will you get them to unclench their paws?
105 | Walter L. Newton Tue, Sep 8, 2009 5:00:59pm |
re: #98 Shug
Could also be an elaborate Gipsy identity theft ring using trained bears
What's interesting, they take the garbage to about the same spot below our house, on the side of the hill. It's like a favorite picnic spot. I was wonder if I shouldn't just put the garbage cans down there. If they are going to get the garbage anyway, I'd rather them do it at 150 feet away then 20 feet from my fenced in front porch.
106 | reine.de.tout Tue, Sep 8, 2009 5:01:29pm |
re: #84 JacksonTn
Who here needs just one more vacation before winter ... raise your hand ... a sweet beach somewhere ... fruity cocktails ... music ... I am booking something soon ... thanking my lucky stars ...
[Video]
Hiya, Jackson!
I would be happy to get even ONE vacation this year.
Not to be, though . . .
107 | Killgore Trout Tue, Sep 8, 2009 5:02:31pm |
Stormfront Nazi reports from the Illinois Tea party...
I saw one negro and NO Mexicans all day.
Only whites seem pi$$ed...
Lovely.
/
108 | jcm Tue, Sep 8, 2009 5:02:46pm |
Afternoon Honcos!
Since everything else they'd done has worked out so well, let's give try this!
UN Says New Currency Is Needed
The dollar’s role in international trade should be reduced by establishing a new currency to protect emerging markets from the “confidence game” of financial speculation, the United Nations said.UN countries should agree on the creation of a global reserve bank to issue the currency and to monitor the national exchange rates of its members, the Geneva-based UN Conference on Trade and Development said today in a report.
109 | JacksonTn Tue, Sep 8, 2009 5:02:55pm |
re: #106 reine.de.tout
Hiya, Jackson!
I would be happy to get even ONE vacation this year.
Not to be, though . . .
Reine ... just next time the Roi come in from offshore ... get ya a room ... a nice room ... room service ... hey ... is that discovery of oil off the coast of Texas gonna help any time soon with the guys working offshore ... many in my family raised their families working offshore ... and the North Sea ...
110 | BignJames Tue, Sep 8, 2009 5:03:46pm |
re: #79 HoosierHoops
I tend to agree...here's a very smart man (Obama) with a lot of the (allegedly) brighest minds in the world in his admin. and he leaves the crafting of his "signature" legislation to the numbskulls that inhabit congress, wants it done quickly, then gets defensive when people want to see the fine print. Why didn't he let members of his admin. craft a plan, and present it to congress?
111 | callahan23 Tue, Sep 8, 2009 5:04:52pm |
re: #99 DEZes
Lizards, I'm getting tired.
Thanks for the company
Later.
See you, buddy.
You are always reminding me of goin'.
- - -
Gals 'n guys, Lizards and 'menschen'.
See y'all down the road.
I love you {Lizardim) - mostly. Really!
112 | Gus Tue, Sep 8, 2009 5:05:49pm |
re: #111 callahan23
See you, buddy.
You are always reminding me of goin'.
- - -
Gals 'n guys, Lizards and 'menschen'.
See y'all down the road.
I love you {Lizardim) - mostly. Really!
Later Callahan.
113 | BARACK THE VOTE Tue, Sep 8, 2009 5:06:12pm |
re: #85 freetoken
Gus - stop it! You are using your brain too much. At this rate, you'll never get a political appointment in the coming Palin administration.
Now that's a horrible thought...
114 | The Shadow Do Tue, Sep 8, 2009 5:06:49pm |
re: #92 Walter L. Newton
Or at a bear looking back up the driveway. We've had two garbage can robberies in the last 5 days. They are trying to bulk up for the coming winter.
Don't you have a way to, I dunno, sort of prematurely hibernate them?
115 | freetoken Tue, Sep 8, 2009 5:07:13pm |
re: #113 iceweasel
Now that's a horrible thought...
What? You wouldn't want Gus in the coming Palin adminstration?
116 | avanti Tue, Sep 8, 2009 5:07:40pm |
re: #83 Bubblehead II
Just out of curiosity. what games do you play when you go to a casino?
Blackjack, Texas hold-um, Oriental poker, Pai Gow and the slots. According to my PL statement from last year, I won big last year I've lost almost half of that this year.
I had a crazy run on the slots last year, trying to lay off some this year and play on the houses money.
117 | Digital Display Tue, Sep 8, 2009 5:07:44pm |
re: #108 jcm
Do they Cash UN Dollars at 7-11 stores? I know they are an economic powerhouse in the world and highly respected.
/They are 3 payments away from sleeping in the Bowery in NYC.
118 | Gus Tue, Sep 8, 2009 5:09:10pm |
re: #115 freetoken
What? You wouldn't want Gus in the coming Palin adminstration?
Hey, at this point I'd take a job in any administration. ;) But I'm sure if Palin ran a backgrounder on my super double sekrit life I'd get booted. I was a card carrying member of the ACLU one year and the Sierra Club.
119 | austin_blue Tue, Sep 8, 2009 5:09:46pm |
re: #100 HoosierHoops
Well Obama was so bored he figured he'd do a chairmanship at the UN...
Here is another case of ego... I would have appointed Bill Clinton...It a win-win situation.. You get Billy out of DC and Hillary would be thrilled..
What's not to like? And Billy Boy...A 192 nations! Lot's of smoking hot women Bill...
Call Obama's Blackberry! /He owes you dude..
That's funny! Upding!
But seriously, The Prez at a one day meeting at the UN talking about nukes (how, if you are poor, it's your best chance of getting power to the masses and not having to get into the coal/NG/oil cycle), may be a good thing. Talking about how, if you are poor but have unexploited resources, maybe it's not a good idea if a rapacious neighbor who wants your stuff has nukes.
I can see how it might be a good idea to get non-aligned countries on board with a push to advance the nuclear power sector, but to limit the nuclear weapons sector.
121 | Charles Johnson Tue, Sep 8, 2009 5:12:01pm |
I'm getting pretty jaded about flouncers, but "Roger's" flounce a few minutes ago takes the cake.
He actually expected me to go through and delete all his comments, and send him copies of all of them. All while telling me how disappointed and sad he is about me.
The sheer gall of these people never ceases to amaze me.
122 | The Shadow Do Tue, Sep 8, 2009 5:12:22pm |
re: #103 Bubblehead II
The House will always win. The games are legit. But they will also take you for everything you got if you let them.
Sort of like our government.
No Sarc
Yes, I know. Years back when I was just a young shadow of myself and managing one store in a chain of stores I got a call from the COO of the company. "There will be a man coming to apply for a job on Monday, hire him, his name is Buck".
He showed up and was promptly awarded the position of clerk. After a bit I learned he was the former owner of a chain of hardware stores called Bucks Hardware.
You guessed it, he crapped it all away in one weekend in Vegas (pun intended).
123 | JacksonTn Tue, Sep 8, 2009 5:12:28pm |
For albusteve ... your boys ... Little Feat ... love you steve and miss you ...
Willin ... if you give me ... weed, whites (you will tell your age if you know what they are) ... and wine ... sweet wine ...
124 | wrenchwench Tue, Sep 8, 2009 5:14:53pm |
re: #121 Charles
I'm getting pretty jaded about flouncers, but "Roger's" flounce a few minutes ago takes the cake.
He actually expected me to go through and delete all his comments, and send him copies of all of them. All while telling me how disappointed and sad he is about me.
The sheer gall of these people never ceases to amaze me.
The dawn of the FSF: Full Service Flounce.
126 | Killgore Trout Tue, Sep 8, 2009 5:15:40pm |
re: #121 Charles
Roger was an old timer too. Bummer.
127 | Walter L. Newton Tue, Sep 8, 2009 5:15:44pm |
128 | Bubblehead II Tue, Sep 8, 2009 5:15:57pm |
re: #116 avanti
Blackjack, Texas hold-um, Oriental poker, Pai Gow and the slots. According to my PL statement from last year, I won big last year I've lost almost half of that this year.
I had a crazy run on the slots last year, trying to lay off some this year and play on the houses money.
Mostly table games then. Are they single deck or multideck shu?
Slot wise are you aware of the difference between physical vs virtual stops in slots?
129 | Dark_Falcon Tue, Sep 8, 2009 5:16:04pm |
Evening all. I hate to go OT but I have serious question to ask. A few days ago, a person whose primary allegiance is to Rodan's blog had a short run of posting here before they were banned for trolling. After that person was banned, I joked to austin_blue that the "troll would have made a good target for [his] HK." I meant it in jest only referring to "the troll" as an internet character. However, the folks over at Rodan's blog have come to the conclusion that I meant that statement literally, especially the father of the person who sneaked in. Making death threats is illegal, and I don't want to get in trouble. Any ideas on what I should do?
130 | Killgore Trout Tue, Sep 8, 2009 5:16:27pm |
Flickr now has video. Will it embed?
Test...
[Link: www.flickr.com...]
131 | wrenchwench Tue, Sep 8, 2009 5:16:36pm |
132 | Sharmuta Tue, Sep 8, 2009 5:17:15pm |
re: #126 Killgore Trout
Roger was an old timer too. Bummer.
Don't be too bummed. I don't recall Roger having issues with VB.
133 | Charles Johnson Tue, Sep 8, 2009 5:18:22pm |
re: #126 Killgore Trout
Roger was an old timer too. Bummer.
An old-time religious fanatic.
[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]
134 | Dark_Falcon Tue, Sep 8, 2009 5:18:30pm |
re: #107 Killgore Trout
Stormfront Nazi reports from the Illinois Tea party...
Lovely.
/
I'm glad I wasn't there. If Stormfront is there. than my decision to not attend was a wise one.
135 | avanti Tue, Sep 8, 2009 5:19:07pm |
re: #128 Bubblehead II
Mostly table games then. Are they single deck or multideck shu?
Slot wise are you aware of the difference between physical vs virtual stops in slots?
Multi shoe, hand shuffle, no mid shoe entry, house hits a soft 17. I didn't know they still had physical stop slots anymore. Just a computer chip that picks a number and sets the reels.
136 | Killgore Trout Tue, Sep 8, 2009 5:19:43pm |
re: #133 Charles
He'll be happier elsewhere.
137 | freetoken Tue, Sep 8, 2009 5:19:47pm |
re: #130 Killgore Trout
embed FAIL.
The problem with flickr is that if you allow embedding from that website, still images might be embedded. The problem with that is there are photographs of nudes there, and somebody (ahem...) just might put some of them up here.
Then, all those people who think Leonard Nimoy are a pornographer would get angry at Charles, and we'd have a new set of flouncers.
138 | Killgore Trout Tue, Sep 8, 2009 5:20:27pm |
re: #134 Dark_Falcon
They're also promoting the 9-12 rally in DC on Stormfront too.
139 | Shug Tue, Sep 8, 2009 5:20:29pm |
For Rogers flaccid flounce
Do flounce gently into that good night,
Old age should burn and rave at close of day;
Rage, rage against the flouncing.
Though wise men at their end know dark is right,
Because their words had forked no lightning they
Do flounce gently into that good night,Good men, the last wave by, crying how bright
Their frail deeds might have danced in a green bay,
Rage, rage against the flouncingWild men who caught and sang the sun in flight,
And learn, too late, they grieved it on its way,
Do flounce gently into that good night,Grave men, near death, who see with blinding sight
Blind eyes could blaze like meteors and be gay,
Rage, rage against the flounce offAnd you, my father, there on the sad height,
Curse, bless me now with your fierce tears, I pray.
Do not flounce gently into that good night.
Dylan Thomas, as Read by Danny Thomas
/ forward by Nigel Tufnel
140 | Charles Johnson Tue, Sep 8, 2009 5:21:01pm |
re: #130 Killgore Trout
Flickr now has video. Will it embed?
Test...
[Link: www.flickr.com...]
Interesting. I have to do a little coding to add new embed formats; I think I'll add Flickr to the list.
141 | Killgore Trout Tue, Sep 8, 2009 5:21:06pm |
re: #137 freetoken
Yeah, allowing embedded pics might be a problem.
142 | Digital Display Tue, Sep 8, 2009 5:21:40pm |
re: #129 Dark_Falcon
Evening all. I hate to go OT but I have serious question to ask. A few days ago, a person whose primary allegiance is to Rodan's blog had a short run of posting here before they were banned for trolling. After that person was banned, I joked to austin_blue that the "troll would have made a good target for [his] HK." I meant it in jest only referring to "the troll" as an internet character. However, the folks over at Rodan's blog have come to the conclusion that I meant that statement literally, especially the father of the person who sneaked in. Making death threats is illegal, and I don't want to get in trouble. Any ideas on what I should do?
Don't worry about it..It was done in jest and there isn't lawyer that wouldn't laugh about it...There are thousands od screen shots of their deranged bullshit..
There are 6 Billion people in the world..There are about 200 hundred people currently that gives one shit about what they say...
143 | The Shadow Do Tue, Sep 8, 2009 5:23:52pm |
re: #139 Shug
Funny stuff right there! And Dereck Thomas was a poet, of sorts, too!
144 | JacksonTn Tue, Sep 8, 2009 5:24:07pm |
sweet confusion ... Pink and Reine ... ya'll bring the crawfish .. sadly ... I only have the corn and potatoes ... boil em up ...
If I Don't Do It ... such a night ... Dr. John ...
Do ya'll remember election night? ... I don't or of what I remember ... I have tried to forget ... oh, well ... there will be another ... we were all blogging and it was so fast ... I think there were even a couple threads because it got so full ...
145 | Shug Tue, Sep 8, 2009 5:24:15pm |
re: #129 Dark_Falcon
Evening all. I hate to go OT but I have serious question to ask. A few days ago, a person whose primary allegiance is to Rodan's blog had a short run of posting here before they were banned for trolling. After that person was banned, I joked to austin_blue that the "troll would have made a good target for [his] HK." I meant it in jest only referring to "the troll" as an internet character. However, the folks over at Rodan's blog have come to the conclusion that I meant that statement literally, especially the father of the person who sneaked in. Making death threats is illegal, and I don't want to get in trouble. Any ideas on what I should do?
you might want to have a look at their blog and make a screen shot of comment 198 in the most recent posting.
a not so subtle threat against you
146 | wrenchwench Tue, Sep 8, 2009 5:24:34pm |
re: #140 Charles
Interesting. I have to do a little coding to add new embed formats; I think I'll add Flickr to the list.
If we could embed images from icanhascheezburger, my life would be just about complete.
147 | jcm Tue, Sep 8, 2009 5:24:44pm |
Okay, this calls for all out take no prisoners WAR!
Readers picks: Overrated destinations of the world
SeattleMy perspective: The place is just awful. Gray, one-dimensional and boring. The surrounding geography is spectacular, but the city is nothing more than an overcaffeinated shopping mall filled with upper-middle-class white people wearing backpacks. How many Starbucks and Gaps does one need? Take an hour to visit the Space Needle, Pike Place Market and the Experience Music Project -- and that's all it takes -- and you are left wondering why you bothered.
LA calling Seattle over rated!
HAHAHAHA!
148 | freetoken Tue, Sep 8, 2009 5:24:53pm |
BTW, today's poll at Townhall:
Which czar should be the next to go?
John Holdren, Science Czar
Cass Sunstein, Regulatory Czar
Mark Lloyd, FCC Diversity Czar
Holdren is the Science Advisor, whose job it is to coordinate between the many different gov't agencies which spend money on science, in order to make for better run programs. What a "czar"!
Sunstein isn't even on the job yet! (Is he? I thought Chambliss had blocked that.)
149 | Shug Tue, Sep 8, 2009 5:25:53pm |
re: #148 freetoken
BTW, today's poll at Townhall:
Holdren is the Science Advisor, whose job it is to coordinate between the many different gov't agencies which spend money on science, in order to make for better run programs. What a "czar"!Sunstein isn't even on the job yet! (Is he? I thought Chambliss had blocked that.)
Ron Paul
150 | pre-Boomer Marine brat Tue, Sep 8, 2009 5:26:36pm |
re: #146 wrenchwench
If we could embed images from icanhascheezburger, my life would be just about complete.
151 | freetoken Tue, Sep 8, 2009 5:27:03pm |
re: #141 Killgore Trout
I have an account on flickr. However, I will not link to it here.
153 | wrenchwench Tue, Sep 8, 2009 5:28:48pm |
155 | Dark_Falcon Tue, Sep 8, 2009 5:29:16pm |
re: #145 Shug
you might want to have a look at their blog and make a screen shot of comment 198 in the most recent posting.
a not so subtle threat against you
I already saw it. For now, I think I'm going to do nothing. But the next time there's a comment roll at a blog where both we and they post, I'm going to post a explanation and apology there. I meant no threat, and I will make that clear.
156 | Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Tue, Sep 8, 2009 5:29:17pm |
re: #147 jcm
Okay, this calls for all out take no prisoners WAR!
I got yer six, JCM. This Cali native had an absolute blast for the 3+ years that I lived there.
Seattle is only boring if you're a boring person.
157 | Bubblehead II Tue, Sep 8, 2009 5:29:32pm |
158 | Gus Tue, Sep 8, 2009 5:29:56pm |
159 | Racer X Tue, Sep 8, 2009 5:31:08pm |
Back on Uncle Sam's Plantation
The legacy of American socialism is our blighted inner cities, dysfunctional inner city schools, and broken black families
Six years ago I wrote a book called "Uncle Sam's Plantation." I wrote the book to tell my own story of what I saw living inside the welfare state and my own transformation out of it.
I said in that book that indeed there are two Americas. A poor America on socialism and a wealthy America on capitalism.
I talked about government programs like Temporary Assistance for Needy Families (TANF), Job Opportunities and Basic Skills Training (JOBS), Emergency Assistance to Needy Families with Children (EANF), Section 8 Housing, and Food Stamps.
A vast sea of perhaps well intentioned government programs, all initially set into motion in the 1960's, that were going to lift the nation's poor out of poverty.
A benevolent Uncle Sam welcomed mostly poor black Americans onto the government plantation. Those who accepted the invitation switched mindsets from "How do I take care of myself?" to "What do I have to do to stay on the plantation?"
Instead of solving economic problems, government welfare socialism created monstrous moral and spiritual problems. The kind of problems that are inevitable when individuals turn responsibility for their lives over to others.
The legacy of American socialism is our blighted inner cities, dysfunctional inner city schools, and broken black families.
Through God's grace, I found my way out. It was then that I understood what freedom meant and how great this country is.
I had the privilege of working on welfare reform in 1996, passed by a Republican congress and signed into law by a Democrat president. A few years after enactment, welfare roles were down fifty percent.
I thought we were on the road to moving socialism out of our poor black communities and replacing it with wealth producing American capitalism.
But, incredibly, we are going in the opposite direction.
Instead of poor America on socialism becoming more like rich American on capitalism, rich America on capitalism is becoming like poor America on socialism.
Uncle Sam has welcomed our banks onto the plantation and they have said, "Thank you, Suh."
Now, instead of thinking about what creative things need to be done to serve customers, they are thinking about what they have to tell Massah in order to get their cash.
There is some kind of irony that this is all happening under our first black president on the 200th anniversary of the birthday of Abraham Lincoln.
Worse, socialism seems to be the element of our new young president. And maybe even more troubling, our corporate executives seem happy to move onto the plantation.
In an op-ed on the opinion page of the Washington Post, Mr. Obama is clear that the goal of his trillion dollar spending plan is much more than short term economic stimulus.
"This plan is more than a prescription for short-term spending-it's a strategy for America's long-term growth and opportunity in areas such as renewable energy, health care, and education."
Perhaps more incredibly, Obama seems to think that government taking over an economy is a new idea. Or that massive growth in government can take place "with unprecedented transparency and accountability."
Yes, sir, we heard it from Jimmy Carter when he created the Department of Energy, the Synfuels Corporation, and the Department of Education.
Or how about the Economic Opportunity Act of 1964 -- The War on Poverty -- which President Johnson said "...does not merely expand old programs or improve what is already being done. It charts a new course. It strikes at the causes, not just the consequences of poverty."
Trillions of dollars later, black poverty is the same. But black families are not, with triple the incidence of single parent homes and out of wedlock births.
160 | jcm Tue, Sep 8, 2009 5:31:53pm |
re: #158 Gus 802
Better not let Huckabee see that. Might make him hungry.
//
I'm looking forward to the campaign slogan...
A squirrel in every popcorn popper!
161 | pre-Boomer Marine brat Tue, Sep 8, 2009 5:32:24pm |
162 | Walter L. Newton Tue, Sep 8, 2009 5:33:25pm |
re: #159 Racer X
RACIST! for even clipping and pasting that article.
/
163 | Charles Johnson Tue, Sep 8, 2009 5:33:45pm |
Welp, Flickr embedding ain't gonna work. They're pulling all kinds of tricks with their video playing code, and I don't see an easy way to plug it in to the LGF engine.
164 | Killgore Trout Tue, Sep 8, 2009 5:34:23pm |
re: #151 freetoken
I have an account on flickr. However, I will not link to it here.
How long have they had video capability. I noticed it just now but it might be old news.
165 | jcm Tue, Sep 8, 2009 5:34:24pm |
re: #161 pre-Boomer Marine brat
mumpf grrff *SPEW*
PLEASE, NOT WHILE I'M EATING!
(...ROFLMAO...)
166 | pre-Boomer Marine brat Tue, Sep 8, 2009 5:34:35pm |
re: #162 Walter L. Newton
Walter, I just came in, for the first time today.
What's the latest on albusteve?
167 | freetoken Tue, Sep 8, 2009 5:35:40pm |
re: #164 Killgore Trout
It's been a while, I think, but I've not done anything with my account there for a couple of years, though I have hundreds of photos up there.
168 | Shug Tue, Sep 8, 2009 5:35:45pm |
re: #164 Killgore Trout
How long have they had video capability. I noticed it just now but it might be old news.
For at least 18 months since my son is 15 months old and I started loading videos there a few months before he was born
169 | pre-Boomer Marine brat Tue, Sep 8, 2009 5:35:47pm |
170 | rain of lead Tue, Sep 8, 2009 5:36:48pm |
re: #109 JacksonTn
JT!
how you doing lady?
we're all good here
the girl just got done with homework, well still have some reading to do,
but we'll do that when she goes to bed.
171 | solomonpanting Tue, Sep 8, 2009 5:37:40pm |
Fines proposed for going without health insurance
Americans would be fined up to $3,800 for failing to buy health insurance under a plan that circulated in Congress on Tuesday as divisions among Democrats undercut President Barack Obama's effort to regain traction on his health care overhaul.
Sounds fine to me.
172 | JacksonTn Tue, Sep 8, 2009 5:38:14pm |
re: #170 rain of lead
JT!
how you doing lady?
we're all good here
the girl just got done with homework, well still have some reading to do,
but we'll do that when she goes to bed.
RoL ... Hey! ... we are all good ... this winter will be hard on my new little business ... but the farms are good ... hey the pumpkins are coming in ... you have to come see us ... tell momcat and your sweet little girl I said hello ...
173 | Walter L. Newton Tue, Sep 8, 2009 5:38:49pm |
re: #166 pre-Boomer Marine brat
Walter, I just came in, for the first time today.
What's the latest on albusteve?
Alive, well drugged, getting better, not sure if he will need another operation, if he does, it will be life changing, but shouldn't kill him.
I hate to be so vague, but I suspect he will tell what he wants when he gets back to LGF (or maybe not). It's not that he doesn't have access to a computer or anything, but you know how it is to concentrate for long periods when you are all drugged up, in pain and dozing in and out.
174 | jcm Tue, Sep 8, 2009 5:39:35pm |
re: #171 solomonpanting
Fines proposed for going without health insurance
Sounds fine to me.
I feel ill...
175 | pre-Boomer Marine brat Tue, Sep 8, 2009 5:40:21pm |
re: #171 solomonpanting
Fines proposed for going without health insurance
Sounds fine to me.
Read that earlier. Precious little about that version of the bill in the article.
I wonder if illegal aliens without insurance would have to pay it too.
176 | freetoken Tue, Sep 8, 2009 5:40:31pm |
Probably important news:
Afghanistan: Electoral fraud confirmed by watchdog
Afghanistan's electoral watchdog on Tuesday said it has found "clear and convincing evidence of fraud" and has ordered a recount of questionable ballots cast in last month's presidential election. The Electoral Complaints Commission said returns must be recounted and audited for any polling station where more than 600 votes were cast or where any candidate received more than 95 percent of the vote if more than 100 were cast.
177 | solomonpanting Tue, Sep 8, 2009 5:41:37pm |
re: #174 jcm
I feel ill...
The you're going to need medical attention. See! If the proposal is this effective just think what the real deal will do.
178 | pre-Boomer Marine brat Tue, Sep 8, 2009 5:41:41pm |
re: #173 Walter L. Newton
Alive, well drugged, getting better, not sure if he will need another operation, if he does, it will be life changing, but shouldn't kill him.
I hate to be so vague, but I suspect he will tell what he wants when he gets back to LGF (or maybe not). It's not that he doesn't have access to a computer or anything, but you know how it is to concentrate for long periods when you are all drugged up, in pain and dozing in and out.
I understand. Thanks VERY much.
179 | Racer X Tue, Sep 8, 2009 5:41:49pm |
Two little old ladies were attending a rather long church service. One leaned over and whispered "My butt is going to sleep". "I know," replied her companion, "I heard it snore three times."
180 | Shug Tue, Sep 8, 2009 5:41:52pm |
re: #175 pre-Boomer Marine brat
Read that earlier. Precious little about that version of the bill in the article.
I wonder if illegal aliens without insurance would have to pay it too.
RACIST
181 | JacksonTn Tue, Sep 8, 2009 5:41:52pm |
re: #171 solomonpanting
Fines proposed for going without health insurance
Sounds fine to me.
SP ... how are they going to enforce that? ... oh, yeah, that's right ... the IRS will get into your bank accounts ... sweet ... I guess they could enforce it like child support ... we are still waiting on a response from our blue dog on a few things ... funny that he gets right back to us when we are contributing to his campaign and he wants us to "back him" but when I call and ask questions ... crickets ... we have a few issues with the healthcare thing Obama wants and it will directly affect our business if it goes one way ...
If our blue dog votes against us ... he will have hell to pay next election ... I can promise him that ...
182 | solomonpanting Tue, Sep 8, 2009 5:42:40pm |
re: #175 pre-Boomer Marine brat
Read that earlier. Precious little about that version of the bill in the article.
I wonder if illegal aliens without insurance would have to pay it too.
Nope. It'll come out of their tax rebates...
183 | mt3_1234 Tue, Sep 8, 2009 5:42:55pm |
re: #9 Bubblehead II
French government to tackle surging health care deficit
*snip*
France's health system is largely financed by the state and has been hailed as the best in the world by the World Health Organization. It is also one of the most costly and the government constantly struggles to control spending.
*snip*/ Yep, single payer is defiantly the way to go.
are there any systems that aren't so costly, but still hailed as pretty good health care?
184 | haakondahl Tue, Sep 8, 2009 5:43:48pm |
Poll results, with 21 respondents, self-selecing from FaceBook.
Would it be appropriate for the President to directly address children at home, compared to at school?
Yes at home, yes at school. It is always appropriate for the President to directly address children.
9 (42.9%)Yes at home, no at school. It is appropriate for the President to directly address children only with the parents..
11 (52.4%)No at home, yes at school. It is appropriate for the President to directly address children only in a school setting.
0 (0.0%)No at home, no at school. It is never appropriate for the President to directly address children.
1 (4.8%)
185 | haakondahl Tue, Sep 8, 2009 5:44:29pm |
re: #176 freetoken
Probably important news:
I hope that this results in a run-off. I am afraid it will result in a Democrat-style widening of the lead by Karzai.
186 | rain of lead Tue, Sep 8, 2009 5:44:37pm |
re: #181 JacksonTn
when it's closer to halloween we will be seeing you, I am a purty good
punkin carver and the girl and I like to get 3-4 for the night of candy
188 | mt3_1234 Tue, Sep 8, 2009 5:45:04pm |
re: #17 Charles
Not really. Jazz standards include all kinds of different arrangements -- it's a much more open form of music than traditional blues.
ya, depends on the jazz style as well
modern jazz tends to blend everything
ken vandermark has written quite a few things about composition that are accessible and interesting (some youtube vids as well)
189 | solomonpanting Tue, Sep 8, 2009 5:45:53pm |
re: #183 mt3_1234
are there any systems that aren't so costly, but still hailed as pretty good health care?
Last week, Dennis Prager interviewed a Frenchman (whose name and position I don't remember) who said the US could have the most excellent French-style health-care system if we were willing to pay taxes at the rate of 50%.
190 | Walter L. Newton Tue, Sep 8, 2009 5:46:05pm |
re: #185 haakondahl
I hope that this results in a run-off. I am afraid it will result in a Democrat-style widening of the lead by Karzai.
Real question, cause I don't know, but, is there a problem with Karzai?
191 | freetoken Tue, Sep 8, 2009 5:46:24pm |
More news from Afghanistan:
The long ordeal of Sayed Parwez Kambakhsh is at last at an end. The 25-year-old journalism student who spent almost two years behind bars for downloading materials from the Internet has been released and is now safe and out of Afghanistan.
“He was freed by diplomatic means,” said Sayed Yaqub Ibrahimi, his brother and a veteran reporter for IWPR. “He is in a European country.”
[...]
Kambakhsh was arrested in October 2007 in the northern city of Mazar-e-Sharif. The charges against him involved downloading controversial materials on women’s position in Islam from the Internet and distributing them to his classmates at Balkh University.
Kambakhsh denies the allegations, despite a confession he signed during the early days of his incarceration, when he was held incommunicado by the security services. He claims he was subjected to intense interrogation and even torture, although physical abuse could not be substantiated because of the period of time that elapsed between the alleged beatings and medical examination.
Kambakhsh was condemned to death in a closed court session in January, 2008.
[...]
Quite the nation we are trying to build there...
192 | Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Tue, Sep 8, 2009 5:46:34pm |
re: #171 solomonpanting
Americans would be fined up to $3,800 for failing to buy health insurance under a plan that circulated in Congress on Tuesday...
How could they possibly enforce such a thing? I have no money buy health insurance with, so obviously I have no means to pay such a fine. Shit, my car is worth a lot less than the fine itself.
I guess the only option would be to send a broke-ass dude like me to jail?
They'll never do that. There's too many broke-ass folks like me in this country. They'd have to build a giant penal colony on the moon, or something.
193 | mt3_1234 Tue, Sep 8, 2009 5:46:35pm |
re: #20 Shug
WJR?
shame about ernie harwell, tho dig his spirit...
194 | haakondahl Tue, Sep 8, 2009 5:47:01pm |
Poll results, with 21 respondents, self-selecing from FaceBook.
Obama a Citizen? 9/11 an inside job? Please choose the answer *closest* to your own POV.
President Obama is a CITIZEN, and the 9/11 attacks were carried out by AL-QAEDA ALONE.
24 (66.7%)President Obama is a CITIZEN, and the 9/11 attacks were an INSIDE JOB.
6 (16.7%)President Obama is NOT a citizen, and the 9/11 attacks were carried out by AL-QAEDA ALONE.
4 (11.1%)President Obama is NOT a citizen, and the 9/11 attacks were an INSIDE JOB.
2 (5.6%)
195 | Racer X Tue, Sep 8, 2009 5:47:37pm |
re: #191 freetoken
More news from Afghanistan:
Quite the nation we are trying to build there...
Lets cut our losses and run.
196 | KingKenrod Tue, Sep 8, 2009 5:47:45pm |
re: #181 JacksonTn
SP ... how are they going to enforce that? ... oh, yeah, that's right ... the IRS will get into your bank accounts ... sweet ... I guess they could enforce it like child support ... we are still waiting on a response from our blue dog on a few things ... funny that he gets right back to us when we are contributing to his campaign and he wants us to "back him" but when I call and ask questions ... crickets ... we have a few issues with the healthcare thing Obama wants and it will directly affect our business if it goes one way ...
If our blue dog votes against us ... he will have hell to pay next election ... I can promise him that ...
I doubt if the govt wants to spend resources trying to collect fines from the inevitable millions of people who don't buy insurance.
What they will do is charge everyone a 8% tax, and tell you to prove you bought insurance to get your 8% back. The proof will be filed as part of your yearly tax return. This system is very efficient for the govt and avoids the constitutional quagmire caused by forcing people to buy a product.
197 | freetoken Tue, Sep 8, 2009 5:47:46pm |
re: #192 Slumbering Behemoth
I guess the only option would be to send a broke-ass dude like me to jail?
They'll never do that. There's too many broke-ass folks like me in this country. They'd have to build a giant penal colony on the moon, or something.
Ummm... you forgot all those FEMA camps spread around the country. Supposedly the could house a couple of million.
198 | freetoken Tue, Sep 8, 2009 5:48:28pm |
199 | solomonpanting Tue, Sep 8, 2009 5:48:41pm |
re: #192 Slumbering Behemoth
How could they possibly enforce such a thing? I have no money buy health insurance with, so obviously I have no means to pay such a fine. Shit, my car is worth a lot less than the fine itself.
I guess the only option would be to send a broke-ass dude like me to jail?
They'll never do that. There's too many broke-ass folks like me in this country. They'd have to build a giant penal colony on the moon, or something.
Well, there will be a sliding scale
Just as auto coverage is now mandatory in nearly all states, Baucus would require that all Americans get health insurance once the system is overhauled. Penalties for failing to do so would start at $750 a year for individuals and $1,500 for families. Households making more than three times the federal poverty level — about $66,000 for a family of four — would face the maximum fines. For families, it would be $3,800, and for individuals, $950.
200 | mt3_1234 Tue, Sep 8, 2009 5:50:17pm |
re: #43 Sharmuta
Do you think it's good for this country to continue the divisiveness, or should we work to find common ground where we can?
that's a rhetorical question (yet i still replied...)
201 | rain of lead Tue, Sep 8, 2009 5:50:28pm |
all of this stuff out of washington makes me think of this,one of my favorite bits from Dr Seuss,
What do you know about Tweedle Beetles?
Well, when Tweedle Beetles fight, it's called a Tweedle Beetle battle.
AND when they battle with a paddle, its called a Tweedle Beetle paddle battle.
AND when they battle in a puddle, it's called a Tweedle Beetle puddle battle.
AND when Tweedle Beetles battle with paddles in a puddle, they call it a Tweedle Beetle puddle paddle battle.
AND when Beetles battle Beetles in a puddle paddle battle, and the Beetle battle puddle is a puddle in a bottle, they call this a Tweedle Beetle bottle puddle paddle battle muddle.
AND when Beetles fight these battles in a bottle with their paddles, and the bottle's on a Poodle and the Poodle's eating noodles, they call this a muddle puddle Tweedle Poodle Beetle noodle bottle paddle battle.
202 | haakondahl Tue, Sep 8, 2009 5:50:40pm |
re: #190 Walter L. Newton
Real question, cause I don't know, but, is there a problem with Karzai?
The problem is not so much with Karzai as with the ill effects of prolonged incumbency.
203 | jcm Tue, Sep 8, 2009 5:50:42pm |
re: #194 haakondahl
Poll results, with 21 respondents, self-selecing from FaceBook.
Obama is from Alpha Centauri, 9/11 was filmed on the same sound stage as moon landings!
205 | Spare O'Lake Tue, Sep 8, 2009 5:51:20pm |
re: #198 freetoken
It is not clear to me "run" = "cut our losses."
That's because they are not the same. But they go together like bees and honey.
206 | mt3_1234 Tue, Sep 8, 2009 5:52:20pm |
re: #53 akalivas
Very nice duet! Like many others, I was originally directed to LGF for the political news and debate, so I haven't been watching the music videos that you post Charles. My bad. I won't be skipping these in the future!
My own knowledge of jazz is limited to non-existent. I see that I've been missing out on a chance for a little musical education and audio relaxation here. Charles, as a jazz musician yourself, you are obviously selecting some of the best stuff out there. Thanks for sharing.
oh, i didn't know charles played jazz as well!
any links to his stuff?
what instrumentation?
208 | rain of lead Tue, Sep 8, 2009 5:52:43pm |
re: #204 Sharmuta
I have read that book so many times I can read it out loud at speed
and not make a mistake
209 | Shug Tue, Sep 8, 2009 5:53:20pm |
re: #193 mt3_1234
WJR?
shame about ernie harwell, tho dig his spirit...
Ernie is the grandfather I never knew. I truly truly love that man.
I am sad at the news he is dying but I am inspired by his attitude.
I want to be Ernie when I grow up
210 | Digital Display Tue, Sep 8, 2009 5:53:42pm |
re: #163 Charles
Welp, Flickr embedding ain't gonna work. They're pulling all kinds of tricks with their video playing code, and I don't see an easy way to plug it in to the LGF engine.
There is something to be said for open source or just Standards for API's..Hell sell your codec but adhere to Common calls..Someday Charles...Someday
211 | Walter L. Newton Tue, Sep 8, 2009 5:53:48pm |
re: #196 KingKenrod
I doubt if the govt wants to spend resources trying to collect fines from the inevitable millions of people who don't buy insurance.
What they will do is charge everyone a 8% tax, and tell you to prove you bought insurance to get your 8% back. The proof will be filed as part of your yearly tax return. This system is very efficient for the govt and avoids the constitutional quagmire caused by forcing people to buy a product.
Wrong
The figure is 2.5 percent penalty of adjusted income, not 8.0. The 8.0 percent cost is what employers will pay if their coverage is not considered adequate by the Commission.
See Section 401 of HR 3200 and/or the new version "America’s Affordable Health Choices Act of 2009"
New version is at...
docs.house.gov/edlabor/AAHCA-BillText-071409.pdf
212 | jcm Tue, Sep 8, 2009 5:54:50pm |
re: #206 mt3_1234
oh, i didn't know charles played jazz as well!
any links to his stuff?
what instrumentation?
There is...
213 | Walter L. Newton Tue, Sep 8, 2009 5:54:50pm |
re: #202 haakondahl
The problem is not so much with Karzai as with the ill effects of prolonged incumbency.
Thanks.
214 | Racer X Tue, Sep 8, 2009 5:55:27pm |
re: #207 TheMatrix31
Yeah that damn racist Michael Steele.
Wait - did Rev. Wright just imply that all poor people are blacks?
215 | pre-Boomer Marine brat Tue, Sep 8, 2009 5:55:55pm |
re: #210 HoosierHoops
There is something to be said for open source or just Standards for API's..Hell sell your codec but adhere to Common calls..Someday Charles...Someday
There are already too many open sores in the software industr ...
... uh? ... oh well, never mind.
216 | TheMatrix31 Tue, Sep 8, 2009 5:56:20pm |
re: #214 Racer X
Yeah that damn racist Michael Steele.
Wait - did Rev. Wright just imply that all poor people are blacks?
Pretty much.
217 | JacksonTn Tue, Sep 8, 2009 5:57:02pm |
To the DNC ... you should have run Hillary ... love her or hate her ... she would have gone down (okay don't make a joke at that) easier ... they did not see the end game clearly ...
Nobody's Fault But Mine ... the original by Blind Willie Johnson and a cover by Led Zepp
Blind Willie Johnson ...
Led Zeppelin cover ... which most remember ...
219 | yochanan Tue, Sep 8, 2009 5:58:20pm |
re: #216 TheMatrix31
so rev wright has now made me a 'swartzah' yeah like i have enough problems being a poor yid
/// sarchism so please liberal trolls ignore this one.
220 | Dark_Falcon Tue, Sep 8, 2009 5:58:52pm |
re: #218 taxfreekiller
one more time
teleprompter time
one more teleprompter time
one more time
teleprompter the congress
teleprompter the senate
teleprompter the U.S.
teleprompter usteleprompter the universe
teleprompter with regurgitated horse shitteleprompter until you get lip cramps
still yet, fact remain
"America is not buying the horse shit."
Get over it.
Move On. without the .org
Get one TFK. I love the e.e. cummings-style non-standard format.
221 | Racer X Tue, Sep 8, 2009 5:58:54pm |
Speaking of racists - Van Jones implied that only white kids shoot up schools. Did he forget Seung-Hui Cho?
223 | Digital Display Tue, Sep 8, 2009 5:59:29pm |
re: #215 pre-Boomer Marine brat
There are already too many open sores in the software industr ...
... uh? ... oh well, never mind.
My bro...Always nice seeing you...Did you see my new Avatar? I have a ton of new pics of Winston surfing in the pool now...
As a new dog owner if you told me I would buy a boogie board, Boat and floating for a dog I'd probably knock you out...It's really fun having a dogwhen all the kids move out..
224 | Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Tue, Sep 8, 2009 5:59:37pm |
re: #197 freetoken
There's more than a couple of million people in this country who are in the same boat as myself.
re: #199 solomonpanting
And if I can't pay those fines, then what? I have nothing of value for them to take. Will they beat me? Imprison me? Post naked pictures of me on the internet?
There is no way that they can enforce such fines on so many people. It's impossible.
I am thinking this is one of these "bait and switch" cases where they tell you to bend over, and taunt you with a size 15 phallus for so long that when they finally insert the size 8 phallus you are just grateful and relieved it wasn't a size 15.
225 | Sharmuta Tue, Sep 8, 2009 6:00:03pm |
re: #221 Racer X
Speaking of racists - Van Jones implied that only white kids shoot up schools. Did he forget Seung-Hui Cho?
Not defending the comment, but was the comment made before the VA Tech shooting?
226 | KingKenrod Tue, Sep 8, 2009 6:00:06pm |
re: #211 Walter L. Newton
Wrong
The figure is 2.5 percent penalty of adjusted income, not 8.0. The 8.0 percent cost is what employers will pay if their coverage is not considered adequate by the Commission.
See Section 401 of HR 3200 and/or the new version "America’s Affordable Health Choices Act of 2009"
New version is at...
docs.house.gov/edlabor/AAHCA-BillText-071409.pdf
My 8% was just hypothetical, but I may have been channeling it subconsciously from something I read about the employer penalty.
Do you know if the 2.5% is a penalty or a refundable tax?
227 | yochanan Tue, Sep 8, 2009 6:00:35pm |
re: #221 Racer X
well the gang bangers tend to shot up the corner outside of the 'skool'
228 | Racer X Tue, Sep 8, 2009 6:01:10pm |
re: #225 Sharmuta
Not defending the comment, but was the comment made before the VA Tech shooting?
Would it matter?
229 | pre-Boomer Marine brat Tue, Sep 8, 2009 6:01:19pm |
re: #223 HoosierHoops
My bro...Always nice seeing you...Did you see my new Avatar? I have a ton of new pics of Winston surfing in the pool now...
As a new dog owner if you told me I would buy a boogie board, Boat and floating for a dog I'd probably knock you out...It's really fun having a dogwhen all the kids move out..
Holy Cow! No, I hadn't seen it.
*grin*
Thanks for calling it to my attention.
230 | Shug Tue, Sep 8, 2009 6:01:58pm |
re: #225 Sharmuta
Not defending the comment, but was the comment made before the VA Tech shooting?
good point.
232 | Erik The Red Tue, Sep 8, 2009 6:02:28pm |
re: #225 Sharmuta
Not defending the comment, but was the comment made before the VA Tech shooting?
Why would that matter? It is still a massive, racist generalisation.
233 | Racer X Tue, Sep 8, 2009 6:02:50pm |
re: #231 Sharmuta
On the larger point, no- but you asked a specific.
Well I guess it would matter then.
234 | haakondahl Tue, Sep 8, 2009 6:04:20pm |
re: #205 Spare O'Lake
That's because they are not the same. But they go together like bees and honey.
They go together like raising taxes and boosting the economy.
235 | Walter L. Newton Tue, Sep 8, 2009 6:04:33pm |
re: #226 KingKenrod
My 8% was just hypothetical, but I may have been channeling it subconsciously from something I read about the employer penalty.
Do you know if the 2.5% is a penalty or a refundable tax?
18 ‘‘SEC. 59B. TAX ON INDIVIDUALS WITHOUT ACCEPTABLE
19 HEALTH CARE COVERAGE.
20 ‘‘(a) TAX IMPOSED.—In the case of any individual
21 who does not meet the requirements of subsection (d) at
22 any time during the taxable year, there is hereby imposed
23 a tax equal to 2.5 percent of the excess of—
1 ‘‘(1) the taxpayer’s modified adjusted gross in2
come for the taxable year, over
3 ‘‘(2) the amount of gross income specified in
4 section 6012(a)(1) with respect to the taxpayer.
5 ‘‘(b) LIMITATIONS.—
6 ‘‘(1) TAX LIMITED TO AVERAGE PREMIUM.—
7 ‘‘(A) IN GENERAL.—The tax imposed
8 under subsection (a) with respect to any tax9
payer for any taxable year shall not exceed the
10 applicable national average premium for such
11 taxable year.
236 | Sharmuta Tue, Sep 8, 2009 6:04:37pm |
re: #232 Erik The Red
It matters because Racer X asked a specific.
237 | cronus Tue, Sep 8, 2009 6:04:48pm |
Palin's latest on HC reform. Includes a reference to "death panels" but most of the piece is on cost, gov't expansion, etc. Nothing new here, but the point on the inevitable enormous increase in payroll taxes to pay for mounting government insurance programs can't be repeated often enough.
Speaking of government overreaching, how will the Democrats' proposals affect the deficit? The CBO estimates that the current House proposal not only won't reduce the deficit but will actually increase it by $239 billion over 10 years. Only in Washington could a plan that adds hundreds of billions to the deficit be hailed as a cost-cutting measure.The economic effects won't be limited to abstract deficit numbers; they'll reach the wallets of everyday Americans. Should the Democrats' proposals expand health-care coverage while failing to curb health-care inflation rates, smaller paychecks will result. A new study for Watson Wyatt Worldwide by Steven Nyce and Syl Schieber concludes that if the government expands health-care coverage while health-care inflation continues to rise "the higher costs would drive disposable wages downward across most of the earnings spectrum, although the declines would be steepest for lower-earning workers." Lower wages are the last thing Americans need in these difficult economic times.
238 | solomonpanting Tue, Sep 8, 2009 6:05:00pm |
re: #221 Racer X
Speaking of racists - Van Jones implied that only white kids shoot up schools. Did he forget Seung-Hui Cho?
Thank goodness John Allen Muhammad didn't hit a school.
239 | TheMatrix31 Tue, Sep 8, 2009 6:05:37pm |
It was from Dec 2, 2005. Just saw it on TV.
240 | Racer X Tue, Sep 8, 2009 6:06:05pm |
re: #207 TheMatrix31
This is the guy who Obama regarded as his friend and mentor for years. It must be killing him trying to keep his piehole shut.
241 | mt3_1234 Tue, Sep 8, 2009 6:07:17pm |
re: #171 solomonpanting
Fines proposed for going without health insurance
Sounds fine to me.
a great way to get people to buy into something is to force them into buying it
///
242 | Bagua Tue, Sep 8, 2009 6:07:41pm |
re: #217 JacksonTn
Ding for the BWJ reference, never realized LZ did that cover.
243 | JacksonTn Tue, Sep 8, 2009 6:08:40pm |
re: #242 Bagua
Ding for the BWJ reference, never realized LZ did that cover.
Bagua ... the old guys were the best ... I love them ...
245 | mt3_1234 Tue, Sep 8, 2009 6:09:40pm |
re: #192 Slumbering Behemoth
How could they possibly enforce such a thing? I have no money buy health insurance with, so obviously I have no means to pay such a fine. Shit, my car is worth a lot less than the fine itself.
I guess the only option would be to send a broke-ass dude like me to jail?
They'll never do that. There's too many broke-ass folks like me in this country. They'd have to build a giant penal colony on the moon, or something.
ya, might as well just force people to buy private health insurance instead
246 | mt3_1234 Tue, Sep 8, 2009 6:11:04pm |
247 | Digital Display Tue, Sep 8, 2009 6:12:10pm |
re: #229 pre-Boomer Marine brat
Holy Cow! No, I hadn't seen it.
*grin*
Thanks for calling it to my attention.
This Winter..When it is snowing...I'm putting Winston and Harley in the hot tub with a drink, Sunglasses..with robes nearby...
This is how we watch the Colts in Indiana...
Sorry Boomer...That's how I roll..*wink*
249 | Bagua Tue, Sep 8, 2009 6:13:20pm |
re: #243 JacksonTn
Bagua ... the old guys were the best ... I love them ...
I'm with you, I hadn't heard the Led Zep in about 20 years, but couldn't count how many times I'd heard Blind Willie Johnson sing that since.
250 | mt3_1234 Tue, Sep 8, 2009 6:14:25pm |
re: #209 Shug
Ernie is the grandfather I never knew. I truly truly love that man.
I am sad at the news he is dying but I am inspired by his attitude.
I want to be Ernie when I grow up
i'm biased, but probably best sports announcer ever
best voice too
251 | Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Tue, Sep 8, 2009 6:17:09pm |
re: #245 mt3_1234
ya, might as well just force people to buy private health insurance instead
That's my point. I can't afford the fines nor the insurance, and there are a whole lot of people in the U.S. walking in the same shoes I am.* What then?
There is no possible way they can enforce what they are currently proposing.
*and yes, millions of us Americans are so broke we share the same pair of shoes./ ;)
253 | freetoken Tue, Sep 8, 2009 6:22:26pm |
re: #221 Racer X
Speaking of racists - Van Jones implied that only white kids shoot up schools. Did he forget Seung-Hui Cho?
re: #228 Racer X
Yes, it matters!!
The shooting in Virginia was in 2007. The Van Jones video was made in 2005.
254 | Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Tue, Sep 8, 2009 6:24:20pm |
re: #252 taxfreekiller
That's what they're gonna have to do, because I have no damn money and no damn property (outside of an old car), and there is no way they could possibly enforce the fines they are currently proposing.
That's why I think this is a bait and switch thing. "Ooga booga, huge fines are coming to get you. Just kidding, we'll just tax the rich. Feel better now"?
255 | haakondahl Tue, Sep 8, 2009 6:25:55pm |
re: #191 freetoken
More news from Afghanistan:
Quite the nation we are trying to build there...
It gets bad and it gets worse.
Selected articles of the Afghan Constitution, illustrating numerous conflicts.
Article 1
Afghanistan is an Islamic Republic, independent, unitary and indivisible state.
Article 2
The religion of the state of the Islamic Republic of Afghanistan is the sacred religion of Islam.
Followers of other religions are free to exercise their faith and perform their religious rites within the limits of the provisions of law.
Article 3
In Afghanistan, no law can be contrary to the beliefs and provisions of the sacred religion of Islam.
Article 35
The citizens of Afghanistan have the right to form social organizations for the purpose of securing material or spiritual aims in accordance with the provisions of the law.
The citizens of Afghanistan have the right to form political parties in accordance with the provisions of the law, provided that:
-- The program and charter of the party are not contrary to the principles of sacred religion of Islam, and the provisions and values of this Constitution.
-- The organizational structure, and financial sources of the party are made public.
-- The party does not have military or paramilitary aims and structures.
-- The party should have no affiliation to a foreign political party or sources.
Formation and functioning of a party based on ethnicity, language, Islamic school of thought and region is not permissible.
A party set up in accordance with provisions of the law shall not be dissolved without lawful reasons and the decision of an authorized court.
Article 43
Education is the right of all citizens of Afghanistan, which shall be provided up to the level of the B.A., free of charge by the state.
The state is obliged to devise and implement effective programs for a balanced expansion of education all over Afghanistan, and to provide compulsory intermediate level education.
The state is also required to provide the opportunity to teach native languages in the areas where they are spoken.
Article 48
Work is the right of every Afghan.
Working hours, paid holidays, right of employment and employee, and other related affairs are regulated by law.
Choice of occupation and craft is free within the limits of law.
Article 66
The President takes into consideration the supreme interests of the people of Afghanistan while enforcing the powers stated in this Constitution.
The President cannot sell or bestow state properties without the provisions of the law.
The President cannot act based on linguistic, ethnic, religious, political, and regional considerations during his term in office.
Article 75
The government has the following duties.
-- Execute the provision of this Constitution, other laws, and final orders of the courts.
-- Protect the independence, defend the territorial integrity, and safeguard the interests and dignity of Afghanistan in the international community.
-- Maintenance of public law and order and elimination of administrative corruption.
-- Prepare the budget, regulate financial affairs, and protect public wealth.
-- Devise and implement programs for social, cultural, economic, and technological progress.
-- Report to the National Assembly at the end of the fiscal year about the tasks accomplished and about the main plans for the new fiscal year.
-- Perform other duties as recognized by this Constitution and other laws to be duties of the government.
Article 76
In order to implement the main policies of the country, and regulation of its duties, the government shall devise and approve regulations.
These regulations should not be contradictory to the text and spirit of any law.
256 | haakondahl Tue, Sep 8, 2009 6:28:11pm |
257 | mt3_1234 Tue, Sep 8, 2009 6:28:24pm |
re: #248 taxfreekiller
Hell no "we won't go", burn your draft card.
Make sure the KIA's get shit on once more, its the Democrat Party way.
how are the KIAs getting shit on?
258 | mt3_1234 Tue, Sep 8, 2009 6:30:37pm |
re: #252 taxfreekiller
just curious, is there an acceptable tax rate for you?
are taxes justified in some scenarios?
259 | haakondahl Tue, Sep 8, 2009 6:31:03pm |
re: #246 mt3_1234
let's stay and accumulate more losses
Dumbass. If the Taleban get a country of their own, stand by for aluminum rain.
260 | minor threat Tue, Sep 8, 2009 6:35:03pm |
You can't be serious.
You start a Brad Mehldau thread and 8 notes in you modulate into a riff on Sarah Palin.
Brad deserved better. Much better. He's one of the most important musicians on the jazz scene today.
Check out his trio with Larry Grenadier on bass and Jeff Ballard on drums. Three masters that are simply killin' it.
261 | mt3_1234 Tue, Sep 8, 2009 6:39:40pm |
re: #259 haakondahl
Dumbass. If the Taleban get a country of their own, stand by for aluminum rain.
i was just flipping his slogan and rhetoric back on himself
262 | austin_blue Tue, Sep 8, 2009 6:43:42pm |
re: #129 Dark_Falcon
Evening all. I hate to go OT but I have serious question to ask. A few days ago, a person whose primary allegiance is to Rodan's blog had a short run of posting here before they were banned for trolling. After that person was banned, I joked to austin_blue that the "troll would have made a good target for [his] HK." I meant it in jest only referring to "the troll" as an internet character. However, the folks over at Rodan's blog have come to the conclusion that I meant that statement literally, especially the father of the person who sneaked in. Making death threats is illegal, and I don't want to get in trouble. Any ideas on what I should do?
I'm sorry you got hammered for that. Perhaps you can forward this message for me- austin_blue will only unlimber his rilfle to defend his neighborhood against enemies foreign and domestic. He does not rent out his services.